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The latest US cruise missile attack on the Syrian airbase is an extremely important event in so many ways that it is important to examine it in some detail. I will try to do this today with the hope to be able to shed some light on a rather bizarre attack which will nevertheless have profound consequences. But first, let’s begin by looking at what actually happened.

The pretext:

I don’t think that anybody seriously believes that Assad or anybody else in the Syrian government really ordered a chemical weapons attack on anybody. To believe that it would require you to find the following sequence logical: first, Assad pretty much wins the war against Daesh which is in full retreat. Then, the US declares that overthrowing Assad is not a priority anymore (up to here this is all factual and true). Then, Assad decides to use weapons he does not have. He decides to bomb a location with no military value, but with lots of kids and cameras. Then, when the Russians demand a full investigation, the Americans strike as fast as they can before this idea gets any support. And now the Americans are probing a possible Russian role in this so-called attack. Frankly, if you believe any of that, you should immediately stop reading and go back to watching TV. For the rest of us, there are three options:

  1. a classical US-executed false flag
  2. a Syrian strike on a location which happened to be storing some kind of gas, possibly chlorine, but most definitely not sarin. This option requires you to believe in coincidences. I don’t. Unless,
  3. the US fed bad intelligence to the Syrians and got them to bomb a location where the US knew that toxic gas was stored.

What is evident is that the Syrians did not drop chemical weapons from their aircraft and that no chemical gas was ever stored at the al-Shayrat airbase. There is no footage showing any munitions or containers which would have delivered the toxic gas. As for US and other radar recordings, all they can show is that an aircraft was in the sky, its heading, altitude and speed. There is no way to distinguish a chemical munition or a chemical attack by means of radar.

Whatever option you chose, the Syrian government is obviously and self-evidently innocent of the accusation of having used chemical weapons. This is most likely a false flag attack.

Also, and just for the record, the US had been considering exactly such a false flag attack in the past. You can read everything about this plan here and here.

The attack:

American and Russian sources both agree on the following facts: 2 USN ships launched 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles at the Al Shayrat airfield in Syria. The US did not consult with the Russians on a political level, but through military channels the US gave Russia 2 hours advance warning. At this point the accounts begin to differ.

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The Americans say that all missiles hit their targets. The Russians say that only 23 cruise missiles hit the airfield. The others are “unaccounted for”. Here I think that it is indisputable that the Americans are lying and the Russians are saying the truth: the main runway is intact (the Russian reporters provided footage proving this) and only one taxiway was hit. Furthermore, the Syrian Air Force resumed its operations within 24 hours. 36 cruise missiles have not reached their intended target. That is a fact.

It is also indisputable that there were no chemical munitions at this base as nobody, neither the Syrians nor the Russian reporters, had to wear any protective gear.

The missiles used in the attack, the Tomahawk, can use any combination of three guidance systems: GPS, inertial navigation and terrain mapping. There is no evidence and even no reports that the Russians shot even a single air-defense missile. In fact, the Russians had signed a memorandum with the USA which specifically comitting Russia NOT to interfere with any US overflights, manned or not, over Syria (and vice versa). While the Tomahawk cruise missile was developed in the 1980s, there is no reason to believe that the missiles used had exceeded their shelf live and there is even evidence that they were built in 2014. The Tomahawk is known to be accurate and reliable. There is absolutely no basis to suspect that over half of the missiles fired simply spontaneously malfunctioned. I therefore see only two possible explanations for what happened to the 36 missing cruise missiles:

Explanation A: Trump never intended to really hit the Syrians hard and this entire attack was just “for show” and the USN deliberately destroyed these missiles over the Mediterranean. That would make it possible for Trump to appear tough while not inflicting the kind of damage which would truly wreck his plans to collaborate with Russia. I do not believe in this explanation and I will explain why in the political analysis below.

Explanation B: The Russians could not legally shoot down the US missiles. Furthermore, it is incorrect to assume that these cruise missiles flew a direct course from the Mediterranean to their target (thereby almost overflying the Russian radar positions). Tomahawk were specifically built to be able to fly tangential courses around some radar types and they also have a very low RCS (radar visibility), especially in the frontal sector. Some of these missiles were probably flying low enough not to be seen by Russian radars, unless the Russians had an AWACS in the air (I don’t know if they did). However, since the Russians were warned about the attack they had plenty of time to prepare their electronic warfare stations to “fry” and otherwise disable at least part of the cruise missiles. I do believe that this is the correct explanation. I do not know whether the Russian were technically unable to destroy and confuse the 23 missiles which reached the base or whether a political decision was taken to let less than half of the cruise missiles through in order to disguise the Russian role in the destruction of 36 missiles. What I am sure of is that 36 advanced cruise missile do not “just disappear”. There are two reasons why the Russians would have decided to use their EW systems and not their missiles: first, it provides them “plausible deninability” (at least for the general public, there is no doubt that US signal intelligence units did detect the Russian electronic interference (unless it happened at very low power and very high frequency and far away inland), and because by using EW systems it allowed them to keep their air defense missiles for the protection of their own forces. Can the Russian really do this?

Take a look at this image, taken from a Russian website, which appears to have been made by the company Kret which produces some of the key Russian electronic warfare systems. Do you notice that on the left hand side, right under the AWACs aircraft you can clearly see a Tomahawk type missile turning around and eventually exploding at sea?

How this is done is open to conjecture. All that we are told is that the missile is given a “false target” but for our purposes this really does not matter. What matters is that the Russians have basically leaked the information that they are capable of turning cruise missiles around. There are other possibilities such as an directed energy beams which basically fries or, at least, confuses the terrain following and or inertial navigation systems. Some have suggested a “kill switch” which would shut down the entire missile. Maybe. Again, this really doesn’t matter for our purposes. What matters is that the Russian have the means to spoof, redirect or destroy US cruise missiles. It sure appears to be that for the first time these systems were used in anger.

[Sidebar: for those interested in seeing what such a system looks like here is a short video made by the Russians themselves showing how such a system is deployed and operated:

In terms of technical details, or we are told that this system can jam any airborne object at a distance of 200km]

I would note that those who say that the Russian air defense systems did not work don’t know what they are talking about. Not only did Russia sign an agreement with the US not to interfere with US flight operations, the Russian air defenses in Syria are NOT tasked with the protection of the Syrian Air Space. That is a task for the Syrian air defenses. The Russians air defenses in Syria are only here to protect Russian personnel and equipment. This is why the Russians never targeted Israeli warplanes. And this is hardly surprising as the Russian task force in Syria never had the mission to shut down the Syrian air space or, even less so, to start a war with the USA or Israel.

However, this might be changing. Now the Russians have withdrawn from their agreement with the USA and, even more importantly, have have declared that the Syrians urgently need more advanced air defense capabilities. Currently the Syrians operate very few advanced Russian air defense systems, most of their gear is old.

Legal aspects of the attack:

The US attack happened in direct violation of US law, of international law and of the UN charter. First, I would say that there is strong legal evidence that the US attack violated the US Constitution, Presidential War Powers Act and the 2001 Authorization of Military Force (AUMF) resolution. But since I don’t really care about this aspect of Trump’s criminal behavior, I will just refer you to two pretty good analyses of this issue (see here and here) and just simply summarize the argument of those who say that what Trump did was legal. It boils down to this: “yeah, it’s illegal, but all US Presidents have been doing it for so long that they have thereby created a legal precedent which, uh, makes it legal after all“. I don’t think this kind of “defense” is worthy of a reply or rebuttal. So now let’s turn to international law.

Most people think that crimes against humanity or genocide must be the ultimate crime under international law. They are wrong. The ultimate crime is aggression. This is the conclusion of the Nuremberg Trial on this topic:

To initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.

So, following the long and prestigious list of other US Presidents before him, Donald Trump is now a war criminal. In fact, he is a “supreme war criminal”. It only took him 77 days to achieve this status, probably some kind of a record.

As for the UN Charter, at least for articles (1, 2, 33, 39) ban the kind of aggression the USA took against Syria.

I think that there is no need to dwell on the total illegality of this attack. I would just underscore the supreme irony of a country basically built by and run by lawyers (just see how many of them there are in Congress) whose general population seems to be totally indifferent to the fact that their elected representatives act in a completely illegal manner. All that most American people care about is whether the illegal action brings victory or not. But if it does, absolutely nobody cares. You disagree? Tell me, how many peace demonstrations were there in the USA about the totally illegal US aggression on Yugoslavia? Exactly. QED.

Political consequences (internal)

My son perfectly summed up what Trump’s actions have resulted in: “those who hated him still hate him while those who supported him now also hate him“. Wow! How did Trump and his advisors fail to predict that? Instead of fulfilling his numerous campaign promises (and his own Twitter statements) Trump decided to suddenly make a 180 and totally betray everything he stood for. I can’t think of a dumber action, I really can’t. I have to say that Trump now appears to make Dubya look smart. But there is much, much worse.

The worst aspect of this clusterf**k is how utterly immoral this makes Trump appear. Think of it – first Trump abjectly betrayed Flynn. Then he betrayed Bannon.

[Sidebar: I mostly liked Flynn. I had no use for Bannon at all. But the fact is that they were not my best friends, they were Trump’s best friends. And instead of standing up for them, he sacrificed them to the always bloodthirsty Neocons in the hope of appeasing them. This is what I wrote about this stupid and deeply immoral betrayal the day it happened:

Remember how Obama showed his true face when he hypocritically denounced his friend and pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr.? Today, Trump has shown us his true face. Instead of refusing Flynn’s resignation and instead of firing those who dared cook up these ridiculous accusations against Flynn, Trump accepted the resignation. This is not only an act of abject cowardice, it is also an amazingly stupid and self-defeating betrayal because now Trump will be alone, completely alone, facing the likes of Mattis and Pence – hard Cold Warrior types, ideological to the core, folks who want war and simply don’t care about reality.

The worst aspect of that is that by betraying people left and right Trump has now shown that you cannot trust him, that he will backstab you with no hesitation whatsoever. Would you ever take a risk for a guy like that? Contrast that with Putin who is “notorious” for standing by his friends and allies even when they do something really wrong! There is a reason why the AngloZionists could not break Putin and why it only took them one month to neuter Trump: Putin is made of titanium, Trump is just an overcooked noodle]

And now Trump has betrayed HIMSELF by turning against everything he, himself, stood for. This is almost Shakespearean in its pathetic and tragic aspects!

During his campaign Trump made a lot of excellent promises and he did inspire millions of Americans to support him. I personally believe that he was sincere in his intentions, and I don’t buy the “it was all an act” theory at all. Just look at the total panic of the Neocons at the prospects of a Trump victory and tell me this was all fake. No, I think that Trump was sincere. But when confronted with the ruthless opposition of the Neocons and the US deep state, Trump snapped and instantly broke because he is clearly completely spineless and has the ethics and morals of a trailer park prostitute.

So what we really have is a sad and pathetic version of Obama. A kind of Obama 2.0 if you want. The man inspired millions, he promised change you can believe in, and he delivered absolutely nothing except for an abject subservience to the real masters and owners of the United States: the Neocons and the deep state.

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Trump did get what he apparently wanted, though: the very same corporate media which he claimed to despise is now praising him. And nobody is calling him a “Putin agent” any more. None of which will prevent the Neocons from impeaching him, by the way. He chose a quickfix solution which will stop acting in just days. How totally stupid of him. He apparently also chose the option of an “attack for show” to begin with, which turned into one of the most pathetic attacks in history, probably courtesy of Russian EW, and now that the USA has wasted something in the range of 100 million dollars, what does Trump have to show? A few flattering articles from the media which he has always hated and which will return to hate him as soon as ordered to do so by its Neocon masters. Pathetic if you ask me.

Ever since he got into the White House, Trump has been acting like your prototypical appeaser (it makes me wonder if his father was an alcoholic). How a guy like him ever made in business is a mystery to me, but what is now clear is that the Neocons totally submitted him and that they will now turn him into political roadkill.

I am afraid that the next four years (or less!) will turn into a neverending Purim celebration…

Political consequences (external)

Trump has single handedly destroyed any hopes of a US collaboration with Russia of any kind. Worse, he has also destroyed any hopes of being able to defeat Daesh. Why? Because if you really believe that Daesh can be defeated without Russian and Iranian support I want to sell you bridges all over the world. It ain’t happening. What is much, much worse is that now we are again on a pre-war situation, just as we were with Obama and would have been with Clinton. Let me explain.

The following are the measures with Russia has taken following the US attack on Syria:

  1. Denunciation at UN (to be expected, no big deal)
  2. Decision to strengthen the Syrian air defenses (big deal, that will give the Syrians the means to lock their airspace)
  3. Decision to cancel the Memorandum with the USA (now the Russians in Syria will have the right to decide whether to shoot or not)
  4. Decision to shut down the phone hot line with the US military (now the US won’t be able to call the Russians to ask them to do or not do something)

The combination of decisions 2, 3 and 4 does not mean that the Russians will shoot the next time, not by itself. The Russians will still be restricted by their own rules of engagement and by political decisions. But this will dramatically affect the US decision-making since from now on there will be no guarantee that the Russians will not shoot either. The Russians basically own the Syrian airspace already. What they want to do next is to give a similar capability to the Syrians. Not only will that allow the Syrians to defend themselves against any future US or Israeli attacks, it will provide the Russians plausible deniabilty the day they decide to shoot down a US aircraft or drone. Finally, the Russians are rushing back some of their most advanced ships towards the Syrian coast. So after giving Trump the benefit of the doubt, the Russians are now returning to a Obama-times like posture in Syria. Bravo Trump, well done!

Yes, I know, Tillerson is expected to meet Lavrov this week. This was discussed ad nauseam on Russian TV and the consensus is that the only reason why the Russians did not cancel this meeting is because they don’t want, on general principle, to be the ones to refuse to speak to the other side. Fine. Considering that we are talking about a potential international thermonuclear war, I can see the point. Still, I would have preferred to say Lavrov telling Tillerson to go and get lost. Why? Because I have come to the conclusion that any and all types of dialog with the United States are simply a meaningless and useless waste of time. For one thing, there is no US policy on anything. Over the past week or so we saw both Nikki Haley and Rex Tillerson completely contradict themselves over and over again: “no we don’t want to overthrow Assad. Yes we do want to overthrow Assad. Yes we do. No we don’t“. This is almost painful and embarrassing to watch. This just goes to show that just like the Obama Administration, the Trump people are “недоговороспособны” or “not agreement capable”. I explain this term in this analysis (written about Obama! Not Trump):

The Russians expressed their total disgust and outrage at this attack and openly began saying that the Americans were “недоговороспособны”. What that word means is literally “not-agreement-capable” or unable to make and then abide by an agreement. While polite, this expression is also extremely strong as it implies not so much a deliberate deception as the lack of the very ability to make a deal and abide by it. For example, the Russians have often said that the Kiev regime is “not-agreement-capable”, and that makes sense considering that the Nazi occupied Ukraine is essentially a failed state. But to say that a nuclear world superpower is “not-agreement-capable” is a terrible and extreme diagnostic. It basically means that the Americans have gone crazy and lost the very ability to make any kind of deal. Again, a government which breaks its promises or tries to deceive but who, at least in theory, remains capable of sticking to an agreement would not be described as “not-agreement-capable”. That expression is only used to describe an entity which does not even have the skillset needed to negotiate and stick to an agreement in its political toolkit. This is an absolutely devastating diagnostic.

This is bad. Really bad. This means that the Russians have basically given up on the notion of having an adult, sober and mentally sane partner to have a dialog with. What this also means is that while remaining very polite and externally poker faced, the Russians have now concluded that they need to simply assume that they need to act either alone or with other partners and basically give up on the United States.

That applies only to the official Kremlin. Independent Russian analysts are not shy about expressing their total contempt and disgust for Trump. Some of them are suggesting that Trump decided to show how “tough” he is in preparation for the Tillerson trip to Moscow. If that is the case, then he is badly miscalculating. For one thing, a lot of them as saying that what Trump has engaged in is “показуха” – a totally fake shows of force which really shows nothing. What is certain is that demonstrations of force are very much frowned upon on the Russian culture which strongly believes that a really tough guy does not have to look the part.

[Sidebar: if John Wayne is the prototypical American hero, Danilo Bagrov, from the movies “Brother” and its sequel “Brother 2” is the prototypical Russian hero: rather shy, softly spoken, of modest means, a times charmingly clumsy and naive, but in reality “the toughest of us all” (as he is called by another character in the sequel (if you have not seen these two movies, I highly recommend them though I don’t know if they exist with English subtitles (dubbing them would be a crime)).

What is sure is that the John Wayne types would never survive in the Russian street, they would be immediately perceived as fake, weak and showing off to try to conceal their lack of strength and they would be crushed and humiliated. Nowadays when Americans adopt what I call the “Delta Force/Blackwater style” (pointy beard, long hair, dark sunglasses, and a ton of muscles etc.) they look comical by Russian standards, Russian special forces (and I have met a lot of them) *never* look the part if only because they try hard not to look it].

Personally I don’t think that impressing the Russians was Trump’s plan. Nor do I believe, like some, that launching that attack during the visit of Chinese Premier Xi was a deliberate affront or some kind of “message”. In fact, I don’t think that there was much of a plan at all beyond showing that Trump is “tough” and no friend of Putin. That’s it. I think that the so-called “elites” in charge running the USA are infinitely arrogant, stupid, uneducated, incompetent and irresponsible. I don’t buy the “managed chaos” theory nor do I buy the notion that if before the Anglo-Zionists imposed their order on others now they impose their dis-order. Yes, that is the consequence of their actions, but it’s not part of some diabolical plan, it is a sign of terminal degeneracy of an Empire which is clueless, frightened, angry and arrogant.

I have already explained in my previous analysis why Trump’s plan to defeat ISIS is a non-starter and I won’t bother repeating it all here. What I will say is that Erdogan’s endorsement of Trump’s attack is equally stupid and self-defeating. I really wonder what Erdogan is hoping to achieve. Not only did the Americans almost kill him in a coup attempt, they are now working on creating a semi-independent Kurdistan right on the border with Turkey. Yes, I know, Erdogan wants to get rid of Assad, fair enough, but does he really believe that Trump will be able to remove Assad from power? And what if Assad is removed, will Turkey really be better off once the Emirate of Takfiristan is declared in Syria? I very much hope that after the referendum Erdogan will recover some sense of reality.

What about the Israelis, do they really believe that dealing with Assad is worse than dealing with this Caliphate of Takfiristan?! But then, we can expect anything from folks with such a long history of making really bad decisions.

Still, it really looks like the all have gone completely insane!

Then there is the embarrassing standing ovation coming out of Europe and the Ukraine. I really am embarrassed for them. They are rejoicing at the attempted removal of one of the last mentally sane and secular regimes in the Middle-East. Don’t these European “leaders” realize that if Syria is replaced by a Caliphate of Takfiristan all hell will really brake loose for Europe? I am amazed at how blind these people are…

Now let’s look at what happened from the point of view of China and the DPRK. First, as I mentioned, I don’t think that Xi felt that the attack during his visit to the USA was a slap or an affront. From another civilized country, maybe. But not from the USA. The Chinese are absolutely under no illusion of the total lack of sophistication and even basic manners of US Presidents. That is not to say that they were not outraged and very concerned. It goes without saying that they also noticed the “coincidence” that The USN has canceled planned port calls in Australia for the USS Carl Vinson and is instead sending the aircraft carrier and attached group towards the Korean Peninsula. They also noticed that this move has been given maximal visibility in the US propaganda machine. One “show of force” in Syria is now followed by another “show of force” in East Asia.

Typical, isn’t it?

If anything, this move will only strengthen the informal but very strong and deep partnership between China and Russia. Just like the Russians, the Chinese will keep on smiling and make very nice statements about international peace and security, negotiations, etc. But everybody who matters in China will understand that the real message of out Washington DC is simple: “now it’s Assad – but you could be next”.

Which leaves the DPRK. I am no mind-reader and no psychologist, but I ask myself the following question: what is worse – if the Americans fail to really scare Kim Jong-un or if they successfully do? I don’t have the answer, but considering the past behavior of the DPRK leaders I would strongly suggest that both scaring them and failing to scare them are very dangerous options. The notion of “scare” should not be included in any policies dealing with the DPRK. But instead of that, the dummies in DC are now leaking a story (whether true or not) that the US intelligence agencies have finalized plans to, I kid you not, “eliminate Kim Jong-un“. And just to make sure that the message gets through, the latest US harpy at the UNSC threatens the DPRK with war.

Have they all really gone totally insane in Washington DC?

Do I really need to explain here why war with the DPRK is a terrible idea, even if it had no nuclear weapons?

Conclusion: what happens next?

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Simply reply: I don’t know. But let me explain why I don’t know. In all my years of training and work as a military analyst I have always had to assume that everybody involved was what we called a “rational actor”. The Soviets sure where. As where the Americans. Then, starting with Obama more and more often I had to question that assumption as the US engaged in what appeared to be crazy and self-defeating actions. You tell me – how does deterrence work on a person with no self-preservation instinct (whether as a result of infinite imperial hubris garden variety petty arrogance, crass ignorance or plain stupidity)? I don’t know. To answer that question a what is needed is not a military analyst, but some kind of shrink specializing in delusional and suicidal types.

Some readers might think that this is hyperbole. I assure you that this is not. I am dead serious. Not only do I find the Trump administration “not agreement capable”, I find it completely detached from reality. Delusional in other words. You think Kim Jong-un with nukes is bad? What about Obama or Trump with nukes? Ain’t they much, much scarier?

So what can the world do?

First, the easy answer: the Europeans. They can do nothing. They are irrelevant. They don’t even exist. At least not in the political sense.

Some countries, however, are showing an absolutely amazing level of courage. Look at what the Bolivian representative at the UNSC dared to do:

And what a shame for Europe: a small and poor country like Bolivia showed more dignity that the entire European continent. No wonder the Russians have no respect for the EU whatsoever.

What Bolivia did is both beautiful and noble. But the two countries which really need to step up to the plate are Russia and China. So far, it has been Russia who did all the hard work and, paradoxically, it has been Russia which has been the object of the dumbest and most ungrateful lack of gratitude (especially from armchair warriors). This needs to change. China has many more means to pressure the USA back into some semi-sane mental state than Russia. All Russia has are superb military capabilities. China, in contrast, has the ability to hurt the USA where it really matters: money. Russia is in a pickle: she cannot abandon Syria to the Takfiri crazies, but neither can she go to nuclear war with the USA over Syria. The problem is not Assad. The problem is that he is the only person capable, at least at this point in time, to protect Syria against Daesh. If Assad is removed, Syria falls and Iran is next. Russia absolutely cannot afford to have Iran destroyed by the Anglo-Zionists because after Iran, she will next. Everybody in Russia understands that. But, as I said, the problem with military responses is that they can lead to military escalations which then lead to wars which might turn nuclear very fast. So here is my central thesis:

You don’t want Russia to stop the USA by purely military means as this places the survival of of mankind at risk.

I realize that for some this might be counter-intuitive, but remember that deterrences only works with rational actors. Russia has already done a lot, more than everybody else besides Iran. And if Russia is not the world’s policeman, neither is she the world savior. The rest of mankind also needs to stop being a silent bystander and actually do something!

Russia and China can stop the US, but they need to do that together. And for that, Xi needs to stop acting like a detached smiling little Buddha statue and speak up loud and clear. That is especially true since the Americans show even less fear of China than of Russia.

[Sidebar: the Chinese military is still far behind the kind of capabilities Russia has, but the Chinese are catching up really, really fast. Just 30 years ago the Chinese military used to be outdated and primitive. This is not the case today. The Chinese have done some tremendous progress in a record time and their military is now a totally different beast than what it used to be. I have no doubt at all that the US cannot win a war with China either, especially not anywhere near the Chinese mainland. Furthermore, I expect the Chinese to go full steam ahead with a very energetic military modernization program which will allow them to close the gap with the USA and Russia in record time. So any notions of the USA using force against China, be it over Taiwan or the DPRK, is an absolutely terrible idea, sheer madness. However, and maybe because the Americans believe their own propaganda, it seems to me like the folks in DC think that we are in the 1950s or 1960 and that they can terrify the “Chinese communist peasants” with their carrier battle groups. What the fail to realize is that with every nautical mile the US carriers make towards China, the bigger and easier target they make for a military which has specialized in US carrier destruction operatons. The Americans ought to ask themselves a simple question: what will they do if the Chinese either sink or severely damage one (or several) US Navy carriers? Go to nuclear war with a nuclear China well capable of turning many US cities into nuclear wastelands? Really? You would trade New York or San Francisco for the Carl Vinson Strike Group? Think again.]

So far China has been supporting Russia, but only from behind Russia. This is very nice and very prudent, but Russia is rapidly running out of resources. If there was a sane man in the White House, one who would never ever do something which might result in war with Russia, that would not be a problem. Alas, just like Obama before him, Trump seems to think that he can win a game of nuclear chicken against Russia. But he can’t. Let me be clear he: if pushed into a corner the Russian will fight, even if that means nuclear war. I have said this over and over again, there are two differences between the Americans and the Russians

  1. The Russians are afraid of war. The Americans are not.
  2. The Russians are ready for war. The Americans are not.

The problem is that every sign of Russian caution and every Russian attempt to de-escalate the situation (be it in the Ukraine, with Turkey or in Syria) has always been interpreted by the West as a sign of weakness. This is what happens when there is a clash between a culture which places a premium on boasting and threatening and one which believes in diplomacy and negotiations.

[Sidebar. The profound cultural differences between the USA and Russia are perfectly illustrated with the polar difference the two countries have towards their most advanced weapons systems. As soon as the Americans declassify one of their weapon systems they engage into a huge marketing campaign to describe it as the “bestest of the bestest” “in the world” (always, “in the world” as if somebody bothered to research this or even compare). They explain at length how awesome their technology is and how invincible it makes them. The perfect illustration is all the (now, in retrospect, rather ridiculous) propaganda about stealth and stealth aircraft. The Russians do the exact opposite. First, they try to classify it all. But then, when eventually they declassify a weapons system, they strenuously under-report its real capabilities even when it is quite clear that the entire planet already knows the truth! There have been any instances when Soviet disarmament negotiators knew less about the real Soviet capabilities than their American counterparts! Finally, when the Russian export their weapons systems, they always strongly degrade the export model, at least that was the model until the Russians sold the SU-30MKI to India which included thrust vectoring while the Russian SU-30 only acquired later with the SU-30SM model, so this might be changing. Ask yourself: did you ever hear about the Russian Kalibr cruise missile before their first use in Syria? Or did you know that Russia has had nuclear underwater missiles since the late 19 70s capable of “flying under water” as speeds exceeding 230 miles per hour?]

Russia is in a very difficult situation and a very bad one. And she is very much alone. European are cowards. Latin Americans have more courage, but no means to put pressure on the USA. India hopes to play both sides. Japan and the ROK are US colonies. Australia and New Zealand belong to the ECHELON/FIVE EYES gang. Russia has plenty of friends in Africa, but they more or less all live under the American/French boot. Iran has already sacrificed more than any other country and taken the biggest risks. It would be totally unfair to ask the Iranians to do more. The only actor out there who can do something in China. If there is any hopes to avoid four more years of “Obama-style nightmare” it is for China to step in and tell the US to cool it.

In the meantime Russia will walk a very fine like between various bad options. Her best hope, and the best hope of the rest of mankind, is that the US elites become so involved into fighting each other that this will leave very little time to do any foreign policy. Alas, it appears that Trump has “figured out” that one way to be smart (or so he thinks) in internal politics is to do something dumb in external politics (like attack Syria). That won’t work.

Maybe an impeachment of Trump could prove to be a blessing in disguise. If Mike Pence becomes President, he and his Neocons will have total power again and they won’t have to prove that they are tough by doing stupid and dangerous things? Could President Pence be better than President Trump? I am afraid that it might. Especially if that triggers a deep internal crisis inside the USA.

The next four years will be terrible, I am sorry to say. Our next hope – however thin – for somebody sane in the White House might be for 2020. Maybe Tulsi Gabbard will run on a campaign promise of peace and truly draining the swamp? Maybe “America first” will mean something if Gabbard says it? Right now she seems to be pretty much the only one refusing the accept the “Assad did it” nonsense. So maybe she can provide the mix of peace and progressive social policies so many Americans really want? Maybe she could become the first woman President for all the right, rather then wrong, reasons. I don’t know. 2020 is still very, very far away, let’s just hope we all make it to that date before some imbecile in DC decides that war with Russia is a good idea.

What is certain is that the Democrat vs. Republican and Conservative vs Liberal dichotomy only serves to perpetuate a system which manages to betray the values of BOTH the Left and the Right. This is paradoxical because it is pretty darn clear that most Americans want their country to be at peace, to stop being constantly at war, and with civilized social and labor standards. Sure, the hardcore libertarians still believe that laisser-faire is a great solution, even if that hands all the power to corporations and even if that leaves the individual citizen defenseless against the oligarchy. But bet you that even hardcore libertarians would prefer “statism” (as they would say) with peace than “statism” with war. Likewise, many hardcore progressives want to severely limit the freedoms of many Americans (small business entrepreneurs, gun owners), but even they would prefer peace without rules and regulations than war without rules and regulations. So I think that the possibly unifying platform could be expressed in the notion of “peace and civil rights”. That is something which the vast majority of Americans can agree upon. Even the Black Lives Matter folks should agree to that kind of “peace and civil rights platform”. That, I think, ought to be the priority of the Federal government – dismantle the war machine and dismantle the state repression machine: a full pull-out of US forces deployed worldwide combined with a full restoration of civil and human rights as they were before the 9/11 false flag. And let the States deal with all the other issues.

ORDER IT NOW

Alas, I am afraid that the plutocracy in power will never allow that. The way the crushed Trump in one month tells me that they will do that to anybody who is not one of their own. So while hope is always a good thing, and while I like dreaming of a better future, I am not holding my breath. I find a sudden and brutal collapse of the Anglo-Zionist Empire followed by a break-up of the USA (as described here) far more likely.

We better prepare ourselves for some very tough times ahead.

Our only consolation is that all the dramatic events taking place right now in the USA are signs of weakness. The US elites are turning on each other and while the Neocons have broken Trump, this will not stop the fratricidal war inside the US plutocracy. Look at the big picture, at how the empire is cracking at every seam and remember that all this is taking place because we are winning.

Imperialism will die, discredited and hated by all those who will have to live through the upcoming collapse of the US-based AngloZionist Empire. Hopefully this time it will be the last empire in history and mankind will have learned its lesson (it would be about time!).

(Republished from The Vineyard of the Saker by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Nuclear weapons should probably be reserved for ethnostates such as North Korea, China and Russia (although I’d personally be comfortable with Japanese acquisition of nukes). I increasingly favor nuclear disarmament for the U.S., France and Great Britain.

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    • Replies: @Gleimhart
    Oh yeah. Russia, North Korea and China should definitely have nukes, and the U.S. left with none.

    You're a friggin' genius!
    , @RadicalCenter
    Nuclear disarmament might be a good idea for the U.K. and France, just to prevent those nukes from falling into the hands of Muslims as the countries turn majority Muslim. Sad to contemplate that prospect.

    The USA? Well, I'm American, and I doubt we'd be able to deter much more populous powers forever without our nukes, so I can't go for that here.
    , @DannyMarcus
    The "dummies in DC" have got it well figured-out: A true superpower fights its wars thousands of miles away from its shores. Aspiring superpowers, Russia and China also want that capability but are as yet a long way from attaining it: America is strong enough to block their path to becoming true superpowers.
    The biggest tragedy in the world today is that Japan, South Korea and Europe are willingly acting as lambs to be taken to the slaughterhouse of wars waged by a selfish US, bent on maintaining its exceptional superpower position at all costs. For America, in the final analysis, sacrificing its dearest friends and allies is an acceptable price to pay to protect its shores. Leaders of East Asian and European countries have a lot to explain to their peoples for the existential situation their countries find themselves in the present show of American military muscle in the Middle East and the Korean Peninsular. By letting an entirely self-interested America take care of their defense needs, Europe and East Asia have made themselves dispensable to the US doctrine of protecting America by fighting wars at the greatest possible distance from its shores.
    The best thing that can happen to bring about a balanced power structure to the world today, is for Japan, South Korea and Germany ridding themselves of US tutelage by becoming nuclear powers as quickly as possible.
    A new independent leadership in Europe and East Asia is sorely needed.
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  2. Imperialism will die, discredited and hated by all those who will have to live through the upcoming collapse of the US-based AngloZionist Empire. Hopefully this time it will be the last empire in history and mankind will have learned its lesson (it would be about time!).

    I’m afraid this is terribly naive. Maybe American Imperialism will die and our boys can come home and we can be a simple folk again. But empires will rise and fall as long as mankind exists.

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  3. Kiza says:

    This is a very nice and entertaining write up, but its reasoning often has big holes. For example, “those who hated him still hate him while those who supported him now also hate him“ is a nice flowing statement but meaningless. What does it matter to Trump if those who voted for him now hate him? This has always been the principal problem of “democracy” and “elections”, that the candidate only has to say the right things before the elections and after the election can serve any constituency he wants (always the moneyed and weaponized one). By the time of the next election, the dumb voters will vote for him again, because the people he served will promote him as a lesser evil again by offering an even worse alternative.

    In other words, the way things are shaping up, if the planet survives till the next US election, Hillary is likely to be again the opposition candidate. Given such impossible choice, I would still have to vote for the war criminal who warned his victims two hours before killing them, than vote for a war criminal who kills without compunction. To understand this think of the Serbian TV station that Clinton hit in 1999 by a Tomahawk missile killing 16 civilians: TV technicians, face makeup artists, cleaners, janitor and similar staff. And if I abstain from voting somebody else will vote for the lesser evil and Trump will be elected again anyway, because he killed for the Establishment.

    I will address the issue of the missing Tomahawks in my next comment.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Do you blame Hillsry Clinton for the 1990s attack on the Belgrade TV station? Why?
    , @Joe Wong
    This is real synicsim ;, American people can vote politicians who will do what they campaigned, all the American people need to do is to ban private donations in elections and to make all elections public funded only. Americans need to mobilze like anti-Vietnam war for the election reform and overhaul. If Americans do not do that then they are the willing partners of the current evil war criminal empire.
  4. Almost four years ago when the US launched missiles against Syria the same thing happened. This account credited to Israel Shamir describes it. A similar account appeared in Counterpunch at the time.

    australianvoice
    2015-03-01

    Saturday, August 31, 2013

    Three days later, at 06:16 GMT Tuesday, September 3, two missiles were launched “from the central part of the Mediterranean Sea” heading for the Syrian coast, but they did not reach Syria.(3) “Both missiles crashed into the sea.”(4) There are several different accounts of what took place. According to Israel Shamir:

    “It was claimed by a Lebanese newspaper quoting diplomatic sources that the missiles were launched from a NATO air base in Spain and they were shot down by the Russian ship-based sea-to-air defence system. Another explanation proposed by the Asia Times says the Russians employed their cheap and powerful GPS jammers to render the expensive Tomahawks helpless, by disorienting them and causing them to fail. Yet another version attributed the launch to the Israelis, whether they were trying to jump-start the shoot-out or just observed the clouds, as they claim.”(5)

    http://robertmagill.wordpress.com

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    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    Can one seriously believe a Tomahawk can be disabled merely by jamming or spoofing GPS? There's a little more there there.
  5. The Scalpel says: • Website

    The information is coming out. Here’s a defense intelligence agency officer spilling the beans about how the US knew there was no attack with chemical weapons. As I have said earlier this could be A clever way to impeach Trump.

    https://gosint.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/former-dia-colonel-us-strikes-on-a-syria-based-on-a-lie/

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    • Replies: @Longfisher
    Although I voted for the anti-Killary candidate, Trump, it would not concern me one bit if he was impeached now, in light of what appears to be his lunacy and dementia.

    LF
  6. Kiza says:

    There are three possible reasons why some Tomahawks disappeared:
    1) they failed
    2) they were shot down
    3) they were jammed.

    The Tomahawks were launched in a barrage on purpose and this is why some got through whatever the Russians threw at them. The missiles were numerous and they were probably programmed to take different routes to the target, therefore it was impossible to stop all of them with limitted air defence (anti-missile or jamming) resources available in a foreign country. Whatever the Russians used, they could apply the same on a much bigger scale over Russia against nuclear tipped US missiles.

    But Saker’s description of the reliability of the Raytheon’s missiles is borderline silly, it reminds me of the old Saker weapons specification aficionado. Raytheon is one of the most marketing oriented MIC company in the World. Saker should recall the stories of the capabilities of the Raytheon’s Patriot system defending Israel against Saddam’s Scuds. They claimed the shootdown rate of about 99%, whilst in reality it was about 8%, if I remember correctly. Pure, refined bull. Does Saker think that only Lockeed Martin Co is capable of stuffing up? Admitdly LM stuffed up the development, but is it not equally possible to stuff up a series of missiles in production? The principle of irresponsibility with the tax payers money is the same.

    Finally, I fail to understand the logic that Russia would strictly respect an agreement with a country which never respects any agreement, a country which used the self-declared position of a Russian SU24 to organise its shoot-down by a couple of NATO countries, using two Turkish figher jets. Also, is it not true that the International law overrides any bilateral agreement? It is almost like saying – the US launched a First Nuclear Strike on China and Russia, but Russia will still respect an agreement with US. In other words, when someone does aggression, all agreements fall by the wayside. On top, why would the Russian air defence in Syria not try to battle test S400 and thus increase its value on the international armaments market by battle proving it? One does not get such opportunity very often, if the Russians missed it then they are crazy.

    In summary, all three options are possible. In terms of probability, I would select a combination of shooting down and jamming as more likely, but with a possible contribution of failures. I believe that the Russian military will eventually leak what actually happened with the missing Tomahawks, probably within a year.

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    "On top, why would the Russian air defence in Syria not try to battle test S400 and thus increase its value on the international armaments market by battle proving it?"
     
    Because once you've illuminated the target, you've given up a treasure trove of signals data that can be used to figure out how to defeat your system. You only turn it on when you think you will really need it.
    , @utu
    There are three possible reasons why some Tomahawks disappeared

    There is a fourth one: only 23 were launched and 59 were reported just for accounting purposes.
    , @Avery
    {On top, why would the Russian air defence in Syria not try to battle test S400 and thus increase its value on the international armaments market by battle proving it? One does not get such opportunity very often, if the Russians missed it then they are crazy.}

    You are correct that actual combat demonstration would be very valuable.
    So far despite the announced capabilities of S-300 and S-400, there is no actual track record of combat effectiveness of either system (....although previous generations of Soviet/Russian air-defense missiles have an excellent track record in various wars).


    However, I think S-400 would be an overkill to shoot down a Tomahawk.
    It's old tech cruise-missile costing about $1 million each. (chump change for the bloated US military).

    I don't know how much an S-400 missile costs (the missile, not the system), but it can't be cheap: it is large, it has to fly far, and fly very fast.
    There is a limited number of these missiles on hand in Syria.
    And it is somewhat complicated process to ship them from Russia to Syria.
    It's not like a crate of bullets.

    An F-16 costs around $20-$30 million (depending on what it is loaded with)
    An F-22 costs $340 million.
    If Russians were to shoot down a NATO F-16 or F-22, "by mistake" of course, like you know, the NATO shoot down of the Su-24 "by mistake", wouldn't it be a far better demo of S-400 capability?

    Also I think Russians are preserving their limited number of S-400 missiles to defend their own assets (as Saker said), in case there is an actual, direct clash with NATO in Syria.

    As to Russian leadership being 'Crazy':

    I think they are quite smart and prudently cautious.
    A direct clash with NATO/US will cost them far more than any potential new sales of S-400 systems. They will try to avoid it until absolutely necessary.

    , @Greasy William

    In summary, all three options are possible
     
    No. There is literally 0 chance that crappy Russian tech could have shot down or jammed Tomahawks. The Saker and the crew here of gay Russian fanboys understand absolutely nothing about military matters.

    Also note that Trump's approval numbers haven't dipped at all from the attack. The American public doesn't care what happens in Syria and nothing you say will ever change that.
    , @Philip Owen
    If I was aiming to put an airfield out of commission, I would target roads, railways, electrical power grids, water supplies, mobile phone masts and any other infrastructure I can't think of now as well as the airfield. So the Russian liaision officer at the airport counting the explosions may have been out of earshot of the other targets. Some explosions may have coincided. Anyway, other than a Russian statement that may have been completely made up, what evidence is there for the losses or indeed Trump's claim of 100% success? (one missile obviously didn't launch or it would have been 60).

    And if I was Syrian I would admit to either the smallest losses possible or greatly overstate the damage whichever was opposite to the truth. RT's pictures seemed designed to obscure.

    Russian EW could confuse a GPS signal but that is one of 3 guidance systems and an anticipated form of attack. And we are talking about 59 missiles each of which needs an EW delivery platform to be directed at it and it alone. The same applies to SAMs. The Russians and Syrians had a two hour warning. If they had a full suite of systems in place configured for US cruise missile attacks with trained crews operating the kit, a 60% kill rate might be feasible. To do this at two hours warning without preparation seems incredible.

    If you read Russian military statements about the Donald Cook incident, there is a claim is that they inserted code into an IT system on the Cook. Tomahawks can be reprogrammed in flight. If there was espionage against the US Navy then a large scale diversion of missiles by a well prepared and trained counter measures group could occur. Again without exactly the right spies, warning and training it seems incredible. And giving away the existence of your capability in such a trivial affair would be idiocy. if it worked against the Cook, if indeed anything happened, it would be a once only affair.

    Conclusion, neither the Russian claim of failed missiles nor Trump's claim of 100% success is backed up by evidence.
  7. Randal says:

    Magnificent tour de force from the Saker.

    Meanwhile, here is an official statement of the new Trumpist world order: the US as self-appointed world policeman and global judge, jury and executioner:

    Tillerson Says U.S. Will Punish ‘Crimes Against the Innocents’ Anywhere

    Presumably we can expect more of what we’ve come to expect from the US: knee jerk aggressive military responses to emotionally manipulative propaganda photographs when someone the US doesn’t like is accused of a “crime”, and casual disregard whenever anyone of whom the US approves is accused of anything.

    Just to emphasise the usefulness of this policy for justifying intervention at will, the US regime’s mouthpiece Spicer then let slip that barrel bombing (essentially what the US and UK did to Germany and Japan in WW2 with free fall bombs, only much less destructive) could also be used as a pretext to attack Syria, before the White House later comically tried to limit the damage by pretending, absurdly, that he had been talking about “barrels filled with chlorine”.

    White House warns of potential US ‘red line’ over Syria barrel bomb attacks

    Truly, the Trump regime is descending into depths of farce only predicted by his worst enemies prior to his election, ironically precisely as a result of following those same enemies’ advice on foreign policy.

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    "crimes against the innocents"?

    Surely Tillerson makes himself a laughingstock and also invites an accounting of all "innocents" killed by drone strikes---just for starters. Perhaps the most obvoius place to start counting the innocents obliterated by the American president (hit the WH directly for retaliation against drone strikes ordered from there?), the American military, and their proxies.

    The hubris-false righteousness-hypocrisy-arrogance-overreach cocktail of such a statement is so toxic that it is hard to know where to begin to take it down.

    What would the world, or Americans, or anyone, think if Putin announced similar "punishment" of all attacks on "innocents"?
  8. Whoa, I read the whole thing.

    Oh well, one thing is clear: the US and the EU are in a deep crisis. One would hope that their elites will follow the example of the Soviet elite and just let it go and initiate a transition to a less …uhm… dead-end ideology…

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    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
    What do you know about Soviet Union to post this? Stick to something you know because to me you sound like Jack of all trades and master in no.
  9. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Russia has intelligence from “trusted sources” that chemical weapons provocations are currently being prepared in more regions in Syria, including Damascus

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    I look forward to Rex Tillerson's explanation why it would make sense for Assad to use gas yet again after almost being attacked by Obama and actually being attacked by Trump.

    The absurdity of "yet another" gas attack with zero political and military benefits would be so enormous it will be interesting to see how the issue will be handled if those sources are correct.
  10. KA says:

    ” However, and maybe because the Americans believe their own propaganda, it seems to me like the folks in DC think that we are in the 1950s or 1960″

    Until these people could say with no shame in their eyes that they are waging wars for no valid ethical moral reasons but for complex dynamic of foreign lobby ,money men and for politicians dependent on them , they have to keep on lying,changing logic,and keep on pummeling on naysayers . But the efforts wasted this way renders these people unable to look into the strength of the adversary and underestimate the weakness of US. The moment they will focus and talk about the weakness, Americans will wake up to the possibility of something bad .This might prevent the marching to war. To prevent that possibility,war hawks don’t want to engage in serious debate .

    This also means these people would take chances with reality and truths and capacities .Morbid hope is their best hope. They will inflate American ability at technological level. ( They have earlier inflated the persuasive soft power, attractions of options offered by America , love for west, love for American fast food to Lady Gaga and hate for local [Middle eastern ] values and have inflated the weakness of human resilience in Iraq,Libya, and Afghanistan war at a great cost of Americans) . This also leads to less emphasis on improving the strength and less focus on research and development . Macho replaces the understanding of the complex issue . But the effects are not only limited to specific .It becomes general default position. because any other position will challenge the world views these guys impose on Americans . They can’t correct themselves to get the best result or to be able to impose their world views because correcting these weaknesses will require certain steps that will undercut and undermine their world views and eventually destroy them sooner ( it remind me the firing of the Army biss ?Schinksy who wanted more troops before Iraq war .Wolfowitz knew that Schiksky was right but he could not allow the fear and debate to appear and derail his religious mission to destroy Iraq ) . What a pickle America is in!.

    On another level , the unraveling is so obvious Look at the comments from Haley ,Tiilerson, and “experts “. When genuine discussion is not allowed , one gets disingenuous spontaneous not thought through plans or suggestion No one wants be seen deviating from the perimeter of the safe confusion . Media is not going to destroy somebody for suggesting more wars and for immediate wars .
    This is a remarkable fall from the tightly controlled Bush Cabinet . Does it mean that this conflicting behaviors will also spread to the society soon?

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    KA, what a high quality comment delivered with extraordinary carelessness to interpunction. You forced the reader to work hard to extract the value that you deliver (not right).

    Most people would call the essence of your comment "group think and its consequences", which I have commented about before myself. But I absolutely love the detail you add in explaining the nuances of it and the results of it.

    Another way of summarising what you typed is that the individuals in power cannot lie to their subject for long before losing touch with reality themselves. The key risk of a professional liar is that he very soon starts lying to himself even more than to others.

    Perhaps, a third way of looking at it is that your comment helps explain why and how the empires fail.

    Finally, I for one am very glad that Putin's steady hand is guiding Russia in these testing times when totally nutty US, which lost all bearings to reality, is threatening the annihilation of the whole world. I say to people - just imagine if the Russian leadership was similar to the current US leadership. Putin is probably the only leader in this whole world who could deliver US to its almost certain suicide, without US becoming a suicide bomber (taking the rest of the World to death with it).

  11. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Sorry to break the consensus in the echo chamber, but I can’t see why Russians would have been giving away (read “advertise”) their anti-missile defense abilities. I can’t see how much damage was avoided if Russians stopped half of the missiles, and Shayram doesn’t seem that useful anyway – so if the “Russian defense” were real, it was all for demonstration purposes.. Since we all agree they received 2 hours warning, which likely included the type of strike, Russians’ ability to repeal subsonic cruise missiles looks less impressive than it were, if a real surprise was enacted – so the demonstration also falls flat.

    A demonstration of 50% repeal rate is not that impressive. Next time, they’ll get two nukes instead of one, and that’s that.

    Analyzing an imaginary Russian defense will only take you that far.

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    • Replies: @anon
    why did US choose a safe area of no military significance ? It has same emotional political personal; values as the attack had on Sudan for American and Clinton.
    , @Kiza
    Who says that "we" agree on anything, least of all that the "two hour warning" was not a US launched disinformation (just a little part of the whole package of Sarin gas bull)? But you are just a troll who cannot count: since when is 36/59 = 50%? Is this how mathematics works on the Hasbara troll world?

    I would not like to think of driving over a bridge that you designed.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    I think the point attempted to be made about your arithmetic approximation is ludicrously trivial (I guess you didn't remember the exact alleged figure and thought 50% was better than citing an incorrect figure). However, have you not considered that the Russians may have been using the occasion simply to test the weapon in something like real hostilities? We may have no real idea how many failures they had but they know and if there were failures they have valuable information, even more than if there was 100 per cent success.
    , @Bill
    This seems like a better point than your critics are giving you credit for. The attack and its outcome were both weird.
  12. nickels says:

    So Trump/Tillerson making Obama/Kerry look intelligent and measured in comparison.
    Maybe the sodomy-war party was the better choice?
    Boy, maybe its time for another ‘pearl harbor’ so we can all get on board with the annihilation!

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  13. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @anon
    Sorry to break the consensus in the echo chamber, but I can't see why Russians would have been giving away (read "advertise") their anti-missile defense abilities. I can't see how much damage was avoided if Russians stopped half of the missiles, and Shayram doesn't seem that useful anyway - so if the "Russian defense" were real, it was all for demonstration purposes.. Since we all agree they received 2 hours warning, which likely included the type of strike, Russians' ability to repeal subsonic cruise missiles looks less impressive than it were, if a real surprise was enacted - so the demonstration also falls flat.

    A demonstration of 50% repeal rate is not that impressive. Next time, they'll get two nukes instead of one, and that's that.

    Analyzing an imaginary Russian defense will only take you that far.

    why did US choose a safe area of no military significance ? It has same emotional political personal; values as the attack had on Sudan for American and Clinton.

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  14. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Times have become strange in the US since this unexpected turn of events. We’re all speculating as to what this means. Is there a deeper game being played or is much of what’s been done simply due to blundering incompetence? The country is pretty much run by too-smart-for-words rich kids who graduated from Harvard, an effete and sheltered class that’s removed from everyday reality. Presidents need staff who are well-versed in their specialties since no one person can be expert in everything. So Trump, a businessman, appoints another businessman as his SoS, a man who is just another moneybag with little knowledge beyond what he did for a living. It’s no wonder Tillerson just flounders around saying contradictory things. Haley is revealed to be a babbling idiot, an embarrassment before the entire world. The gossip that Trump’s daughter and son-in-law were influential in his decision to attack Syria is really flabbergasting, if true, as if he were taking advice from an astrologer (would one do worse than Tillerson?). If this were a onetime thing recognized as a mistake we could move on. Or does this portend other things to come? There’s also an unnecessary escalation of rhetoric and tensions with N Korea which is also heating up. I’m starting to get an ominous feeling.

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  15. libertreee says: • Website

    I shared this article, like the Saker a lot. His insights have opened my eyes to Russian POV.
    However, I am a libertarian and I don’t think the Saker understands what Laissez-Faire is. His comment is typical of the simplistic economic mindset that believes laissez-faire will turn everything over to the corporations.
    First of all, corporations are creatures of the state. Laissez faire (LF) will cut the ties of corporations to the state. You dont need government permission to have a business entity that is perpetual and offers limited immunity to stockholders. That can be done strictly contractually.
    Secondly, it is a myth that unregulated corporations would soon have everyone working for $1 an hour. Markets will still set compensation based on production.
    Third, monopolies are always state created, not market created, at least over time. Standard Oil was not broken up by Teddy Roosevelt, it was broken up by market forces.
    The very thing that Saker dislikes, the IMF post war western central banking establishment will no longer have government backing and will disappear. Central banks will be replaced by regional, a political currency clearing houses.
    I recommend to those who do not understand Laissez Faire a classic book by a Marxist peacenik, Gabriel Kolko, called “The Triumph of Conservatism”. My liberal friends never read it, but the first half in particular is an excellent analysis of Laissez Faire in the gilded age and the myths about it generated by Progressives.

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    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    Markets will still set compensation based on production.

    Yeah, that's why Apple and other Silicon Valley companies just settled a lawsuit alleging that they colluded to hold salaries down by not poaching other companies employees.

    Third, monopolies are always state created, not market created, at least over time.

    Wrong, the market drove everybody in the west out of the airliner business except Boeing. It took the state (actually states of Britain, Spain, Germany, and France) 17 years to create a competitor in Airbus. Nobody in the private sector had the resources to compete with Boeing once McDonnel-Douglas and Lockheed left the market.

    Free Market fundamentalists are just as delusional as the commies were.
    , @utu
    By mistake I pressed Agree under your comment. I meant to press "Nonsense" or "Must have been written buy an idiot" by there were no such options.

    You are delusional libertarian. I hope you are very young. Libertarianism infect young minds (usually boys not girls) and after some life experiences most of them are cured of it. But if you are not young it means there is no hope for you. You are just too stupid to figure out that you believe in nonsense. You will die like that. I am sorry.
    , @Bill
    utu exaggerates, but he is mostly right.

    When I was in college, people said libertarians were either republicans who wanted to get laid or republicans who wanted to smoke dope. These are actually pretty insightful descriptions. Libertarians (the non-druggie ones) seem mostly to be people who want a reliable, formal, and moralistic intellectual structure through which to see the world but who reject the one the historical West offers because it isn't socially approved (and thus will interfere with getting laid---at least in their minds). They want this moralistic structure while simultaneously they want to embrace the Satanists'/Cultural Marxists' "do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law." Not noticing that this makes no sense, they decide that "freedom" must be the touchstone of the true morality (which they can't actually call the true morality most of the time, since, you know, it's wrong to impose your morality blah blah blah).

    The people libertarianism sticks with longer term tend to have problems similar to those of autists---and, of course, the resemblance of libertarians to autists is much commented upon. The salient ones here are 1) a need for structure and 2) a terrible failure to understand their own motivations and needs. My views are not the consequence of my psychological limitations and shallow emotional reactions! I was convinced by arguments! The fact that my arguments are only convincing to a small minority of (white) teenage boys just proves that teenage boys are the only rational people on earth! Or something! Leave me alone! Ad hominem fallacy! Can't you see I just need to be left alone to reason!! Leave me alone! Lots of engineer libertarians. Lots of economist libertarians. But I already said autist twice.

    Shorter Bill: Take a good, hard look at David Friedman and Bryan Caplan.
  16. Kiza says:
    @KA
    ” However, and maybe because the Americans believe their own propaganda, it seems to me like the folks in DC think that we are in the 1950s or 1960″

    Until these people could say with no shame in their eyes that they are waging wars for no valid ethical moral reasons but for complex dynamic of foreign lobby ,money men and for politicians dependent on them , they have to keep on lying,changing logic,and keep on pummeling on naysayers . But the efforts wasted this way renders these people unable to look into the strength of the adversary and underestimate the weakness of US. The moment they will focus and talk about the weakness, Americans will wake up to the possibility of something bad .This might prevent the marching to war. To prevent that possibility,war hawks don’t want to engage in serious debate .

    This also means these people would take chances with reality and truths and capacities .Morbid hope is their best hope. They will inflate American ability at technological level. ( They have earlier inflated the persuasive soft power, attractions of options offered by America , love for west, love for American fast food to Lady Gaga and hate for local [Middle eastern ] values and have inflated the weakness of human resilience in Iraq,Libya, and Afghanistan war at a great cost of Americans) . This also leads to less emphasis on improving the strength and less focus on research and development . Macho replaces the understanding of the complex issue . But the effects are not only limited to specific .It becomes general default position. because any other position will challenge the world views these guys impose on Americans . They can’t correct themselves to get the best result or to be able to impose their world views because correcting these weaknesses will require certain steps that will undercut and undermine their world views and eventually destroy them sooner ( it remind me the firing of the Army biss ?Schinksy who wanted more troops before Iraq war .Wolfowitz knew that Schiksky was right but he could not allow the fear and debate to appear and derail his religious mission to destroy Iraq ) . What a pickle America is in!.

    On another level , the unraveling is so obvious Look at the comments from Haley ,Tiilerson, and “experts “. When genuine discussion is not allowed , one gets disingenuous spontaneous not thought through plans or suggestion No one wants be seen deviating from the perimeter of the safe confusion . Media is not going to destroy somebody for suggesting more wars and for immediate wars .
    This is a remarkable fall from the tightly controlled Bush Cabinet . Does it mean that this conflicting behaviors will also spread to the society soon?

    KA, what a high quality comment delivered with extraordinary carelessness to interpunction. You forced the reader to work hard to extract the value that you deliver (not right).

    Most people would call the essence of your comment “group think and its consequences”, which I have commented about before myself. But I absolutely love the detail you add in explaining the nuances of it and the results of it.

    Another way of summarising what you typed is that the individuals in power cannot lie to their subject for long before losing touch with reality themselves. The key risk of a professional liar is that he very soon starts lying to himself even more than to others.

    Perhaps, a third way of looking at it is that your comment helps explain why and how the empires fail.

    Finally, I for one am very glad that Putin’s steady hand is guiding Russia in these testing times when totally nutty US, which lost all bearings to reality, is threatening the annihilation of the whole world. I say to people – just imagine if the Russian leadership was similar to the current US leadership. Putin is probably the only leader in this whole world who could deliver US to its almost certain suicide, without US becoming a suicide bomber (taking the rest of the World to death with it).

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    Thank you Kiza . Thanks a lot. I have learned a lot from you over the years here at this site.Thanks again .
  17. Kiza says:
    @anon
    Sorry to break the consensus in the echo chamber, but I can't see why Russians would have been giving away (read "advertise") their anti-missile defense abilities. I can't see how much damage was avoided if Russians stopped half of the missiles, and Shayram doesn't seem that useful anyway - so if the "Russian defense" were real, it was all for demonstration purposes.. Since we all agree they received 2 hours warning, which likely included the type of strike, Russians' ability to repeal subsonic cruise missiles looks less impressive than it were, if a real surprise was enacted - so the demonstration also falls flat.

    A demonstration of 50% repeal rate is not that impressive. Next time, they'll get two nukes instead of one, and that's that.

    Analyzing an imaginary Russian defense will only take you that far.

    Who says that “we” agree on anything, least of all that the “two hour warning” was not a US launched disinformation (just a little part of the whole package of Sarin gas bull)? But you are just a troll who cannot count: since when is 36/59 = 50%? Is this how mathematics works on the Hasbara troll world?

    I would not like to think of driving over a bridge that you designed.

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    "Who says that “we” agree on anything, least of all that the “two hour warning”" It's in the article we are commenting on. It's stated twice. So "we" in "we agree" means, at a minimum, The Saker and me. Sorry for not including you, but I was strictly considering people who read the articles they comment on.

    36/59 is not a perfect score, especially with a two hour warning. (Now we all agree, including trolls, that there was a 2 hour warning.) It's not even close to a perfect score. It's really not something I would be advertising as a deterrent.

    Can you say something of substance to what I just re-stated?

  18. @Robert Magill
    Almost four years ago when the US launched missiles against Syria the same thing happened. This account credited to Israel Shamir describes it. A similar account appeared in Counterpunch at the time.

    australianvoice
    2015-03-01

    Saturday, August 31, 2013

    Three days later, at 06:16 GMT Tuesday, September 3, two missiles were launched "from the central part of the Mediterranean Sea" heading for the Syrian coast, but they did not reach Syria.(3) "Both missiles crashed into the sea."(4) There are several different accounts of what took place. According to Israel Shamir:

    "It was claimed by a Lebanese newspaper quoting diplomatic sources that the missiles were launched from a NATO air base in Spain and they were shot down by the Russian ship-based sea-to-air defence system. Another explanation proposed by the Asia Times says the Russians employed their cheap and powerful GPS jammers to render the expensive Tomahawks helpless, by disorienting them and causing them to fail. Yet another version attributed the launch to the Israelis, whether they were trying to jump-start the shoot-out or just observed the clouds, as they claim."(5)

    http://robertmagill.wordpress.com

    Can one seriously believe a Tomahawk can be disabled merely by jamming or spoofing GPS? There’s a little more there there.

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  19. @Kiza
    There are three possible reasons why some Tomahawks disappeared:
    1) they failed
    2) they were shot down
    3) they were jammed.

    The Tomahawks were launched in a barrage on purpose and this is why some got through whatever the Russians threw at them. The missiles were numerous and they were probably programmed to take different routes to the target, therefore it was impossible to stop all of them with limitted air defence (anti-missile or jamming) resources available in a foreign country. Whatever the Russians used, they could apply the same on a much bigger scale over Russia against nuclear tipped US missiles.

    But Saker's description of the reliability of the Raytheon's missiles is borderline silly, it reminds me of the old Saker weapons specification aficionado. Raytheon is one of the most marketing oriented MIC company in the World. Saker should recall the stories of the capabilities of the Raytheon's Patriot system defending Israel against Saddam's Scuds. They claimed the shootdown rate of about 99%, whilst in reality it was about 8%, if I remember correctly. Pure, refined bull. Does Saker think that only Lockeed Martin Co is capable of stuffing up? Admitdly LM stuffed up the development, but is it not equally possible to stuff up a series of missiles in production? The principle of irresponsibility with the tax payers money is the same.

    Finally, I fail to understand the logic that Russia would strictly respect an agreement with a country which never respects any agreement, a country which used the self-declared position of a Russian SU24 to organise its shoot-down by a couple of NATO countries, using two Turkish figher jets. Also, is it not true that the International law overrides any bilateral agreement? It is almost like saying - the US launched a First Nuclear Strike on China and Russia, but Russia will still respect an agreement with US. In other words, when someone does aggression, all agreements fall by the wayside. On top, why would the Russian air defence in Syria not try to battle test S400 and thus increase its value on the international armaments market by battle proving it? One does not get such opportunity very often, if the Russians missed it then they are crazy.

    In summary, all three options are possible. In terms of probability, I would select a combination of shooting down and jamming as more likely, but with a possible contribution of failures. I believe that the Russian military will eventually leak what actually happened with the missing Tomahawks, probably within a year.

    “On top, why would the Russian air defence in Syria not try to battle test S400 and thus increase its value on the international armaments market by battle proving it?”

    Because once you’ve illuminated the target, you’ve given up a treasure trove of signals data that can be used to figure out how to defeat your system. You only turn it on when you think you will really need it.

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    You really have no idea what you are commenting about: a secret signal for shooting down a missile or a plane? In theory, your comment could be relevant to the other option - the jamming of the Tomahawks, because revealing the jamming signal could offer a chance to US to develop protection against the Russian jamming method. But your comment to Robert Magill is also pure BS.

    A serious person retains credibility by not venturing into commenting on things he/she knows nothing about. Or did you just mix up your troll-handler's guidelines on how to BS on this zine?

  20. Kiza says:
    @The Alarmist

    "On top, why would the Russian air defence in Syria not try to battle test S400 and thus increase its value on the international armaments market by battle proving it?"
     
    Because once you've illuminated the target, you've given up a treasure trove of signals data that can be used to figure out how to defeat your system. You only turn it on when you think you will really need it.

    You really have no idea what you are commenting about: a secret signal for shooting down a missile or a plane? In theory, your comment could be relevant to the other option – the jamming of the Tomahawks, because revealing the jamming signal could offer a chance to US to develop protection against the Russian jamming method. But your comment to Robert Magill is also pure BS.

    A serious person retains credibility by not venturing into commenting on things he/she knows nothing about. Or did you just mix up your troll-handler’s guidelines on how to BS on this zine?

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    Suggest you follow your own advice, mate ... you really are clueless.
  21. MarkinLA says:
    @libertreee
    I shared this article, like the Saker a lot. His insights have opened my eyes to Russian POV.
    However, I am a libertarian and I don't think the Saker understands what Laissez-Faire is. His comment is typical of the simplistic economic mindset that believes laissez-faire will turn everything over to the corporations.
    First of all, corporations are creatures of the state. Laissez faire (LF) will cut the ties of corporations to the state. You dont need government permission to have a business entity that is perpetual and offers limited immunity to stockholders. That can be done strictly contractually.
    Secondly, it is a myth that unregulated corporations would soon have everyone working for $1 an hour. Markets will still set compensation based on production.
    Third, monopolies are always state created, not market created, at least over time. Standard Oil was not broken up by Teddy Roosevelt, it was broken up by market forces.
    The very thing that Saker dislikes, the IMF post war western central banking establishment will no longer have government backing and will disappear. Central banks will be replaced by regional, a political currency clearing houses.
    I recommend to those who do not understand Laissez Faire a classic book by a Marxist peacenik, Gabriel Kolko, called "The Triumph of Conservatism". My liberal friends never read it, but the first half in particular is an excellent analysis of Laissez Faire in the gilded age and the myths about it generated by Progressives.

    Markets will still set compensation based on production.

    Yeah, that’s why Apple and other Silicon Valley companies just settled a lawsuit alleging that they colluded to hold salaries down by not poaching other companies employees.

    Third, monopolies are always state created, not market created, at least over time.

    Wrong, the market drove everybody in the west out of the airliner business except Boeing. It took the state (actually states of Britain, Spain, Germany, and France) 17 years to create a competitor in Airbus. Nobody in the private sector had the resources to compete with Boeing once McDonnel-Douglas and Lockheed left the market.

    Free Market fundamentalists are just as delusional as the commies were.

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    Also, libertarians forget--"who do you think the state is?"
    Well, its all the corporations and ultra rich.
    , @Kiza
    I usually like your comments, but this one is an absolute disaster. You are totally blinded by your own ideology.

    OK, so the free market proponents claim that "monopolies are always state created, not market created, at least over time" and you find fault with this, whilst as the next thing you accept that the airliner manufacturing duopoly had to be (EU) state created, over 17 years. If you were an economist, you would understand that the difference between a monopoly and duopoly is only a couple of letters. Duopoly is not a free market, almost as much as monopoly is not a free market. With just a little bit of signaling between only two market players, the market becomes as cornered as in a monopoly. Your misunderstanding of the free market is that you can imagine only black or white, whilst the market situation can be many shades of gray. The law of the market is: the more players in the market the more difficult the signalling (collusion) between players. But in some special situations, even for example 10 market players could be colluding, this can be the case in some mature markets where the market players exchange staff which makes collusion easier.

    It is not the market which drove out McDonnel-Douglas and Lockheed. MCD failed due to mismanagement (OK that is partly due to the market punishing mismanagement exhibited by airliners falling out of the sky), but Lockheed turned to a much more lucrative MIC, which is a prototypical monopoly-hugging government-business (oxymoron) domain, and acquired several other military contractors to strengthen its monopolistic position in this domain. Soon after this monopoly position was established, the biggest disaster in the US military development history so far ensued - F35.

    Finally, similarly, you interpret the illegal signalling (collusion) between Silicon Valley companies as failure of the free market. But a free market can fail only if it exists, the labor market in Silicon Valley is not free if there is signalling between companies on labor costs.

    The free market proponents accept an inclination of the market players towards collusion (better screw customers instead of competing) but make it illegal. Even then, it is not the state which should regulate markets and prevent collusion then a market authority established by the free market players and enforced by courts free of government interference. But, ultimately, the best court is the court of public opinion, as in the case of United Airlines physical abuse of a Chinese national one one of their flights.
  22. nickels says:
    @MarkinLA
    Markets will still set compensation based on production.

    Yeah, that's why Apple and other Silicon Valley companies just settled a lawsuit alleging that they colluded to hold salaries down by not poaching other companies employees.

    Third, monopolies are always state created, not market created, at least over time.

    Wrong, the market drove everybody in the west out of the airliner business except Boeing. It took the state (actually states of Britain, Spain, Germany, and France) 17 years to create a competitor in Airbus. Nobody in the private sector had the resources to compete with Boeing once McDonnel-Douglas and Lockheed left the market.

    Free Market fundamentalists are just as delusional as the commies were.

    Also, libertarians forget–”who do you think the state is?”
    Well, its all the corporations and ultra rich.

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    Also, libertarians forget–”who do you think the state is?”
    Well, its all the corporations and ultra rich.
     
    Yup. Should be obvious by now.
  23. “Russia is in a very difficult situation and a very bad one. And she is very much alone. ”

    A really sovereign and independent nation is always “alone”. There is no friendship between countries, only common interests; and a country that is economically, politically and militarily self-sufficient has nothing in common with other countries that could form a strong, lasting bond with them.

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  24. Chaban says:

    Poor Faker.

    Been predicting an imminent U.S. collapse for what? a decade now?

    Said Ukraine was about to implode three or four years ago.

    These days he’s trying to cheer up his readers, but he knows it’s all over.

    The U.S. just decided to move beyond the propaganda war as Russia, I think it is fair to say, was winning on that front.

    But now it’s over. Faker knows there is absolutely nothing Russia can do militarily against the West. I mean, we are talking about ALL the most powerful nations on earth combined here.

    Yeah, he can talk all he wants about Napoleon and the Third Reich, but the coalition now about to destroy Russia will not have to constantly worry about its western flank like others did. And Russia will not be supplied by a constant flow of tens of thousands of pieces of military hardware like in the 40s.

    Faker is suuuuch a good analyst that he was all excited, just like his followers, when Trump was elected. Those people truly believed that you could beat the system at its own game. So gullible! It was so bad that I left a couple messages on his blog (or on here, I can’t remember), saying that Trump was meant to have Putin lower his guard, just like Obama was meant to have the Arab leaders drop their guards, and that Russia was in for a big surprise. Of course all the Faker groupies laughed me off… The “battle” that you saw between Trump and the establishment was just WWF meant to confuse the Russian leadership. Everyone was sooo focused on that. Suckers!

    As though, the chain of events of the last couple weeks had not been planned for weeks, months even. The Faker groupies are now grasping at straws (Ivanka, baby pictures, etc.) They cannot admit they’ve been had.

    As for the Faker, who knows Russia is screwed, he is left begging for China to do something. Only thing is, China is the U.S.’s bitch and their troop movements right now prove it.

    Finally, the U.S. totally took Russia and its leaders by surprise with the strike last week and now they are completely humiliating them by sending their Secretary of State to Moscow to rub it in. After such a slap in the face, a powerful nation would have turned down the visit. Do you actually think Russia could hit U.S. interests and send Lavrov to Washington a few days later?

    Now Lavrov and Tillerson have been going at it ALL DAY… meaning there are heavy negotiations going on. And that means Russia is in a position of weakness. They are doing everything they can to save face. There is nothing they can do. Faker knows it. All (real) military analysts know it. Of course Russia’s nuclear arsenal, if it’s still functioning properly, could be their trump card, but there is no way they would go there.

    And finally, I think China will turn on Russia. Mark my words. You’ve read it first.

    And all of Kiza’s ad hominem attacks cannot change a thing about all this.

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    Look, you deserve one of those you call "ad hominem" too. There is plenty of idiots and trolls on unz now and I have backed out of wasting my time on dealing with this bunch until just recently. I will soon probably go out of this zine again, because dealing with commenting idiots is not inspirational at all, it is very much the job of Sisyphus.

    Regarding your empty claims that Saker has been predicting this and that for many years, the collapse of which did not come true. Firstly, neither Saker nor I have ever given a moment in time of a collapse because the exact moment is impossible to predict. Only a stupid commenter can claim - "because it has not happened yet then I am right and you two are wrong", which you appear to be doing. Your claim is like stating - time can flow forward or backward. No, a collapse can happen only once, and then the collapsed entity is no more. It exists, it exists until it does not.

    Secondly and finally, I am not sure about Saker, but I have posited that neither US nor Ukraine will collapse before US Petrodollar or US$ as a world reserve currency is replaced. Once this status of US$ is lost, the precipitous decline of US will begin and Ukraine's survival on the free-printing US$ drip-feed will be terminated. At the moment, all of the World is financing the US military adventures by trusting the US$ which is being printed completely out of this World. With a skilful market manipulation, the value of US$ is even increasing whilst the US is printing it like crazy: the more you print, the more valuable it becomes. Russia and China are working on replacing US$ as a reserve/petro currency, because they are not too happy to finance attacks on themselves. The US$ will not collapse until the replacement reaches some critical point and price manipulation reaches some point, at which it will not decline then collapse like a house of cards it is.

    Gee, the quality of commenters on this good zine has already collapsed.

    , @Gleimhart
    The Saker's anti-Americanism is always on full display. His columns always bubble over with his seething hatred for America and Americans.

    I wonder if he knows that John Wayne was just an actor. And why does he compare Russian special forces guys to John Wayne. He should compare them to our special forces guys.

    As for all of this crap of how Russians supposedly look down on Americans, they can stuff it. We don't need lessons in morality or anything else from those people. They massacred tens of millions of their own, and the ones left alive lived a shitty existence, while our people lived the good life.

    And I hate the neocons with a vengeance, and I hate what Trump is allowing to happen to his presidency, but this notion that Russians are in any position to lecture Americans is crap, as is the notion that Russians are real manly men, while Americans are just a bunch of phony John Waynes. That's some out of left field weirdness right there.

    I suppose this "Saker" fellow, whoever he is, is likely an arm of Russian propaganda.
    , @KA
    American fall has been predicted by Saker ( I am not aware but I wil accept it for the argument's sake ) It has not happened because the "fall" has been exported to other countries abroad . The dire economic situations in Asia ,Africa, EU and Latin America are the shining example of the tortuous American forceful manipulation . Without the rest of the world shouldering the burden , America would be Greece asking tourists to visit with no identity .
    It doesn't mean America has not screwed itself . The issues that give rise to coup in other countries give rise to stealing of election in this country by unique way -it forces the winner and office holder to change sides overnight Information is suppressed not by force but by nepotism of highest order ,by fear ,insinuation and relationship and economic pressure . The tension gets amplified in the streets,parks,schools,movie theaters mall,and in police encounter. Bodies pile up because the hate fear and the insecurity undermine confidence in the system.

    The faceless bastard can decide in unattended meetings lasting seconds to minutes to kill millions but cant bring the bill that affects the lives of the millions of Americans for discussion .
    Its leaders are so incompetent that the collective and individual respect the lawmakers and the presidents enjoy will force a recall and a referendum in other countries ( which if not followed through ,will provoke America to unleash wars ) .
    The kind of reason that provokes America to mount attack on the elected bodies abroad routinely gets a pass from and is ignored by the frightened and hapless clueless Americans. ( Think of the E-mail sent from CITI to Obama regarding the selection of the cabinet . These sorts of things give rise to Soros-CIA funded regime change in foreign countries or threat of attack or coup ) . This is not a durable enduing strength .

    Russia was much weaker from 1990- 2000 China was much more vulnerable from 1990 to 2000. America can get away with murder in their own backyard in those days . Now China mocks and steers America away from stupid miscalculation when it can. Other time it just puts the American tail between the Japanese and S Korean legs .

    Has anything militarily and politically or socially got any better in last 17 yrs in USA? American people have been reduced to observing and watching the show carried on by the feuding elites with no input from them . Is this strength ?
    Ask a military man of uniform on the forefront of the war He or she will tel you this war on terror is a terror itself and is being maintained to keep the war-machine running . They receive the replies when they question the idiocy that they are better off than the military of China Russia or Syria .

    There are animals who can survive on rotten meat .Other animal cant . These animals may die if they try . It basically proves one can't ignore,override and bypass the rules and ingredients on which it is built and can't replace with another set for convenience. The system that has built and protected America is being poisoned from inside .
    , @CMC

    China will turn on Russia.
     
    What about the One Road-One Rail project? Any effect on this? Will China just tell Russia they can't help them in Syria --but the lack of support should have nothing to do with, and changes nothing about, their joint road-rail-port projects? China just plays for time and tells Russia they have to take a deal?
    , @Aedib
    Quote
    @Chaban

    November 15, 2015 at 5:23 pm GMT
    The Faker… way off the mark. Again!

    Breaking news: Obama and Putin just reached an agreement on political transition in Syria.

    End Quote

    Boy, try to not delude yourself

    , @Skeptikal
    "Of course all the Faker groupies laughed me off… The “battle” that you saw between Trump and the establishment was just WWF meant to confuse the Russian leadership. Everyone was sooo focused on that. Suckers!"

    I don't get Chaban's "fakers" and "suckers" and I don't get Chaban's vitriol against the Saker and those who follow his blog. Maybe Chaban wanted to write a piece at the Saker blog and was turned down? Anyone can post there, and many others will both agree and disagree. So Chaban definitely seems to have a chip on his shoulder regarding the Saker

    Anyhow, I follow many threads on the Saker's blog and I can state with confidence that the overwhelming number of comments there regarding Trump both before and following the election had few illusions about Trump and were in "wait and see" mode, but had a "glimmer" of hope that he might be less belligerent than Hillary, less beholden to the powers that be and the Neocons. It was well understood that Trump was an unknown quantity, and Trump was seen by most to many to be the devil you don't know as opposed to the one you do.
  25. Kiza says:
    @MarkinLA
    Markets will still set compensation based on production.

    Yeah, that's why Apple and other Silicon Valley companies just settled a lawsuit alleging that they colluded to hold salaries down by not poaching other companies employees.

    Third, monopolies are always state created, not market created, at least over time.

    Wrong, the market drove everybody in the west out of the airliner business except Boeing. It took the state (actually states of Britain, Spain, Germany, and France) 17 years to create a competitor in Airbus. Nobody in the private sector had the resources to compete with Boeing once McDonnel-Douglas and Lockheed left the market.

    Free Market fundamentalists are just as delusional as the commies were.

    I usually like your comments, but this one is an absolute disaster. You are totally blinded by your own ideology.

    OK, so the free market proponents claim that “monopolies are always state created, not market created, at least over time” and you find fault with this, whilst as the next thing you accept that the airliner manufacturing duopoly had to be (EU) state created, over 17 years. If you were an economist, you would understand that the difference between a monopoly and duopoly is only a couple of letters. Duopoly is not a free market, almost as much as monopoly is not a free market. With just a little bit of signaling between only two market players, the market becomes as cornered as in a monopoly. Your misunderstanding of the free market is that you can imagine only black or white, whilst the market situation can be many shades of gray. The law of the market is: the more players in the market the more difficult the signalling (collusion) between players. But in some special situations, even for example 10 market players could be colluding, this can be the case in some mature markets where the market players exchange staff which makes collusion easier.

    It is not the market which drove out McDonnel-Douglas and Lockheed. MCD failed due to mismanagement (OK that is partly due to the market punishing mismanagement exhibited by airliners falling out of the sky), but Lockheed turned to a much more lucrative MIC, which is a prototypical monopoly-hugging government-business (oxymoron) domain, and acquired several other military contractors to strengthen its monopolistic position in this domain. Soon after this monopoly position was established, the biggest disaster in the US military development history so far ensued – F35.

    Finally, similarly, you interpret the illegal signalling (collusion) between Silicon Valley companies as failure of the free market. But a free market can fail only if it exists, the labor market in Silicon Valley is not free if there is signalling between companies on labor costs.

    The free market proponents accept an inclination of the market players towards collusion (better screw customers instead of competing) but make it illegal. Even then, it is not the state which should regulate markets and prevent collusion then a market authority established by the free market players and enforced by courts free of government interference. But, ultimately, the best court is the court of public opinion, as in the case of United Airlines physical abuse of a Chinese national one one of their flights.

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    Just to clarify my point about how McDD and Lockheed exited the airliner market. Even though one could argue that McDD was punished by the market for killing too many end customers and not doing as much marketing as Boeing, Lockheed exited the airliners market because another, the MIC monopoly-hugging market was much more lucrative. Therefore, it was the monopolistic nature of the state domain (whining by lobbying and corruption) that created the monopolistic airliner market, by attracting the smallest player from the airliner market triopoly. Therefore, this is fully consistent with the free market theory, although this monopolistic market was created by state in an indirect way, not by a decree. Take out the rotten MIC domain and Lockheed would probably still be competing in the airliner market.
    , @utu
    I am disappointed with you. You have lots of sensible views but just what you have spouted about economy totally compromises you.
    , @MarkinLA
    You are totally blinded by your own ideology.

    Wrong. I am responding to the stupidity of ideology. The free market ideologist always seem to make up phony excuses for why the free market really hasn't failed when it has. They always blame something other than the free market. I am just pointing out the inconsistencies in their religion, I have no ideology.

    Sometimes markets work and sometimes they don't. However there is no magic in free markets. In a true free market people are free to collude with each other, free to assemble a monopoly, create cartels, and corner the market for essential commodities.

    Take this:

    But a free market can fail only if it exists, the labor market in Silicon Valley is not free if there is signalling between companies on labor costs.

    ??? What does this even mean? The CEOs doing the colluding were acting freely and with no coercion by government when they entered into this agreement. The CEOs of coal companies were acting freely when they paid their employees in company script only usable at the company store. Nobody in government forced this upon them. They took advantage of the relative weakness of their employees. There is no market anywhere where everybody has equal leverage and cannot be taken advantage of.

    The problem with free market ideologists is they have a distorted view of capitalism that makes them think stupidly. They think the main driving force in capitalism is people competing to provide the best products and services to their customers at the lowest possible price so as to beat the competition. However, this is not true. The main driving force in capitalism is to make as much money as you can with the least amount of effort. When you see capitalism in this light it makes it easier to understand what really happens.
    , @Bill

    Finally, similarly, you interpret the illegal signalling (collusion) between Silicon Valley companies as failure of the free market. But a free market can fail only if it exists, the labor market in Silicon Valley is not free if there is signalling between companies on labor costs.
     
    Do you really fail to see the No True Scotsman fallacy here? Do you similarly accept the argument of the anarcho-socialists that socialism hasn't really failed because "real socialism" hasn't been tried?
  26. Kiza says:
    @Chaban
    Poor Faker.

    Been predicting an imminent U.S. collapse for what? a decade now?

    Said Ukraine was about to implode three or four years ago.

    These days he's trying to cheer up his readers, but he knows it's all over.

    The U.S. just decided to move beyond the propaganda war as Russia, I think it is fair to say, was winning on that front.

    But now it's over. Faker knows there is absolutely nothing Russia can do militarily against the West. I mean, we are talking about ALL the most powerful nations on earth combined here.

    Yeah, he can talk all he wants about Napoleon and the Third Reich, but the coalition now about to destroy Russia will not have to constantly worry about its western flank like others did. And Russia will not be supplied by a constant flow of tens of thousands of pieces of military hardware like in the 40s.

    Faker is suuuuch a good analyst that he was all excited, just like his followers, when Trump was elected. Those people truly believed that you could beat the system at its own game. So gullible! It was so bad that I left a couple messages on his blog (or on here, I can't remember), saying that Trump was meant to have Putin lower his guard, just like Obama was meant to have the Arab leaders drop their guards, and that Russia was in for a big surprise. Of course all the Faker groupies laughed me off... The "battle" that you saw between Trump and the establishment was just WWF meant to confuse the Russian leadership. Everyone was sooo focused on that. Suckers!

    As though, the chain of events of the last couple weeks had not been planned for weeks, months even. The Faker groupies are now grasping at straws (Ivanka, baby pictures, etc.) They cannot admit they've been had.

    As for the Faker, who knows Russia is screwed, he is left begging for China to do something. Only thing is, China is the U.S.'s bitch and their troop movements right now prove it.

    Finally, the U.S. totally took Russia and its leaders by surprise with the strike last week and now they are completely humiliating them by sending their Secretary of State to Moscow to rub it in. After such a slap in the face, a powerful nation would have turned down the visit. Do you actually think Russia could hit U.S. interests and send Lavrov to Washington a few days later?

    Now Lavrov and Tillerson have been going at it ALL DAY... meaning there are heavy negotiations going on. And that means Russia is in a position of weakness. They are doing everything they can to save face. There is nothing they can do. Faker knows it. All (real) military analysts know it. Of course Russia's nuclear arsenal, if it's still functioning properly, could be their trump card, but there is no way they would go there.

    And finally, I think China will turn on Russia. Mark my words. You've read it first.

    And all of Kiza's ad hominem attacks cannot change a thing about all this.

    Look, you deserve one of those you call “ad hominem” too. There is plenty of idiots and trolls on unz now and I have backed out of wasting my time on dealing with this bunch until just recently. I will soon probably go out of this zine again, because dealing with commenting idiots is not inspirational at all, it is very much the job of Sisyphus.

    Regarding your empty claims that Saker has been predicting this and that for many years, the collapse of which did not come true. Firstly, neither Saker nor I have ever given a moment in time of a collapse because the exact moment is impossible to predict. Only a stupid commenter can claim – “because it has not happened yet then I am right and you two are wrong”, which you appear to be doing. Your claim is like stating – time can flow forward or backward. No, a collapse can happen only once, and then the collapsed entity is no more. It exists, it exists until it does not.

    Secondly and finally, I am not sure about Saker, but I have posited that neither US nor Ukraine will collapse before US Petrodollar or US$ as a world reserve currency is replaced. Once this status of US$ is lost, the precipitous decline of US will begin and Ukraine’s survival on the free-printing US$ drip-feed will be terminated. At the moment, all of the World is financing the US military adventures by trusting the US$ which is being printed completely out of this World. With a skilful market manipulation, the value of US$ is even increasing whilst the US is printing it like crazy: the more you print, the more valuable it becomes. Russia and China are working on replacing US$ as a reserve/petro currency, because they are not too happy to finance attacks on themselves. The US$ will not collapse until the replacement reaches some critical point and price manipulation reaches some point, at which it will not decline then collapse like a house of cards it is.

    Gee, the quality of commenters on this good zine has already collapsed.

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    And who could bring about the collapse of the U.S. $ once the last global domino, i.e. Russia, falls pray tell?

    And please don't even start that game you are trying to play: Faker and other low-level Kremlin propagandists, like "Peak Oil" (don't laugh!) Orlov, have written dozens of articles talking about the imminent collapse of the U.S.

    Are you trying to suggest that by imminent we should have looked at the next couple centuries?

    As I said, Russia waged an amazing war on the propaganda front. I would argue they were winning on that front. But now that part is over.

  27. Kiza says:
    @Kiza
    I usually like your comments, but this one is an absolute disaster. You are totally blinded by your own ideology.

    OK, so the free market proponents claim that "monopolies are always state created, not market created, at least over time" and you find fault with this, whilst as the next thing you accept that the airliner manufacturing duopoly had to be (EU) state created, over 17 years. If you were an economist, you would understand that the difference between a monopoly and duopoly is only a couple of letters. Duopoly is not a free market, almost as much as monopoly is not a free market. With just a little bit of signaling between only two market players, the market becomes as cornered as in a monopoly. Your misunderstanding of the free market is that you can imagine only black or white, whilst the market situation can be many shades of gray. The law of the market is: the more players in the market the more difficult the signalling (collusion) between players. But in some special situations, even for example 10 market players could be colluding, this can be the case in some mature markets where the market players exchange staff which makes collusion easier.

    It is not the market which drove out McDonnel-Douglas and Lockheed. MCD failed due to mismanagement (OK that is partly due to the market punishing mismanagement exhibited by airliners falling out of the sky), but Lockheed turned to a much more lucrative MIC, which is a prototypical monopoly-hugging government-business (oxymoron) domain, and acquired several other military contractors to strengthen its monopolistic position in this domain. Soon after this monopoly position was established, the biggest disaster in the US military development history so far ensued - F35.

    Finally, similarly, you interpret the illegal signalling (collusion) between Silicon Valley companies as failure of the free market. But a free market can fail only if it exists, the labor market in Silicon Valley is not free if there is signalling between companies on labor costs.

    The free market proponents accept an inclination of the market players towards collusion (better screw customers instead of competing) but make it illegal. Even then, it is not the state which should regulate markets and prevent collusion then a market authority established by the free market players and enforced by courts free of government interference. But, ultimately, the best court is the court of public opinion, as in the case of United Airlines physical abuse of a Chinese national one one of their flights.

    Just to clarify my point about how McDD and Lockheed exited the airliner market. Even though one could argue that McDD was punished by the market for killing too many end customers and not doing as much marketing as Boeing, Lockheed exited the airliners market because another, the MIC monopoly-hugging market was much more lucrative. Therefore, it was the monopolistic nature of the state domain (whining by lobbying and corruption) that created the monopolistic airliner market, by attracting the smallest player from the airliner market triopoly. Therefore, this is fully consistent with the free market theory, although this monopolistic market was created by state in an indirect way, not by a decree. Take out the rotten MIC domain and Lockheed would probably still be competing in the airliner market.

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    Lockheed exited the airliners market because another, the MIC monopoly-hugging market was much more lucrative.

    This is another one of those excuses that doesn't really make sense when you get past the religion. If Lockheed was running a successful commercial aircraft business and had a more lucrative military aircraft business it makes absolutely no sense to abandon the commercial aircraft business. Both businesses are not operating in the same facilities and can both be run parallel to each other. Litton Industries at one time had 109 distinct divisions. Having the commercial airline business also allows Lockheed to compete in the other military aircraft areas such as cargo transports and in air refueling planes.

    Lockheed had plenty of production capacity to keep every one of their divisions going. In fact, they had too much capacity and closed their Burbank facility with the military downturn in the 1990s.
  28. Chaban says:
    @Kiza
    Look, you deserve one of those you call "ad hominem" too. There is plenty of idiots and trolls on unz now and I have backed out of wasting my time on dealing with this bunch until just recently. I will soon probably go out of this zine again, because dealing with commenting idiots is not inspirational at all, it is very much the job of Sisyphus.

    Regarding your empty claims that Saker has been predicting this and that for many years, the collapse of which did not come true. Firstly, neither Saker nor I have ever given a moment in time of a collapse because the exact moment is impossible to predict. Only a stupid commenter can claim - "because it has not happened yet then I am right and you two are wrong", which you appear to be doing. Your claim is like stating - time can flow forward or backward. No, a collapse can happen only once, and then the collapsed entity is no more. It exists, it exists until it does not.

    Secondly and finally, I am not sure about Saker, but I have posited that neither US nor Ukraine will collapse before US Petrodollar or US$ as a world reserve currency is replaced. Once this status of US$ is lost, the precipitous decline of US will begin and Ukraine's survival on the free-printing US$ drip-feed will be terminated. At the moment, all of the World is financing the US military adventures by trusting the US$ which is being printed completely out of this World. With a skilful market manipulation, the value of US$ is even increasing whilst the US is printing it like crazy: the more you print, the more valuable it becomes. Russia and China are working on replacing US$ as a reserve/petro currency, because they are not too happy to finance attacks on themselves. The US$ will not collapse until the replacement reaches some critical point and price manipulation reaches some point, at which it will not decline then collapse like a house of cards it is.

    Gee, the quality of commenters on this good zine has already collapsed.

    And who could bring about the collapse of the U.S. $ once the last global domino, i.e. Russia, falls pray tell?

    And please don’t even start that game you are trying to play: Faker and other low-level Kremlin propagandists, like “Peak Oil” (don’t laugh!) Orlov, have written dozens of articles talking about the imminent collapse of the U.S.

    Are you trying to suggest that by imminent we should have looked at the next couple centuries?

    As I said, Russia waged an amazing war on the propaganda front. I would argue they were winning on that front. But now that part is over.

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    And who could bring about the collapse of the U.S. $ once the last global domino, i.e. Russia, falls pray tell?
     
    China, for one, and in hours/days at no cost to themselves. When they perceive that either the moment of maximum benefit to themselves has arrived, or some exogenous event forces their hand.
    They would prefer the former, of course, though the latter is rapidly growing more likely.
    , @alexander
    Hi Chaban,

    Who really gives a hoot about Russian propaganda ?

    Russia did not LIE the American people into the catastrophic Iraq war, our elite war mongers DID .

    Let them assume responsibility for their deceits, and cough up the money to pay for it.

    Not one American citizen should be on the hook for any of the whopping 20 trillion dollar debt their war fraud created.

    Not one penny.

    Not now and not twenty years from now.

    Our war mongering elites need to assume responsibility for their actions and cough up the dough.

    I don't want to speculate on what countries around the world will continue to purchase our bonds to underwrite our heinous war debt.

    I want my money back..... NOW.

    If our war mongers are so convinced their stupid, unconstitutional, wars of aggression are worth it.....So WORTH IT they are willing to LIE to every American Citizen to get them started ...then they should be willing to DIG DOWN DEEP into their OWN pockets ... to PAY for it....the WHOLE WAY.

    This is America, buddy....IF you saying our "deceitful" war mongers should get a FREE RIDE BECAUSE THEY LIED ......

    and the burden of their heinous war debt should be foisted on the back of 320 million Americans who were LIED TO ?.

    On behalf of 320 million Americans....I have just one thing to say to you ....

    F#CK YOU .......AND THE HORSE YOU RODE IN ON !

    Who gives a crap about Russian propaganda ?

  29. @Kiza
    You really have no idea what you are commenting about: a secret signal for shooting down a missile or a plane? In theory, your comment could be relevant to the other option - the jamming of the Tomahawks, because revealing the jamming signal could offer a chance to US to develop protection against the Russian jamming method. But your comment to Robert Magill is also pure BS.

    A serious person retains credibility by not venturing into commenting on things he/she knows nothing about. Or did you just mix up your troll-handler's guidelines on how to BS on this zine?

    Suggest you follow your own advice, mate … you really are clueless.

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  30. KA says:
    @Kiza
    KA, what a high quality comment delivered with extraordinary carelessness to interpunction. You forced the reader to work hard to extract the value that you deliver (not right).

    Most people would call the essence of your comment "group think and its consequences", which I have commented about before myself. But I absolutely love the detail you add in explaining the nuances of it and the results of it.

    Another way of summarising what you typed is that the individuals in power cannot lie to their subject for long before losing touch with reality themselves. The key risk of a professional liar is that he very soon starts lying to himself even more than to others.

    Perhaps, a third way of looking at it is that your comment helps explain why and how the empires fail.

    Finally, I for one am very glad that Putin's steady hand is guiding Russia in these testing times when totally nutty US, which lost all bearings to reality, is threatening the annihilation of the whole world. I say to people - just imagine if the Russian leadership was similar to the current US leadership. Putin is probably the only leader in this whole world who could deliver US to its almost certain suicide, without US becoming a suicide bomber (taking the rest of the World to death with it).

    Thank you Kiza . Thanks a lot. I have learned a lot from you over the years here at this site.Thanks again .

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  31. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Kiza
    Who says that "we" agree on anything, least of all that the "two hour warning" was not a US launched disinformation (just a little part of the whole package of Sarin gas bull)? But you are just a troll who cannot count: since when is 36/59 = 50%? Is this how mathematics works on the Hasbara troll world?

    I would not like to think of driving over a bridge that you designed.

    “Who says that “we” agree on anything, least of all that the “two hour warning”” It’s in the article we are commenting on. It’s stated twice. So “we” in “we agree” means, at a minimum, The Saker and me. Sorry for not including you, but I was strictly considering people who read the articles they comment on.

    36/59 is not a perfect score, especially with a two hour warning. (Now we all agree, including trolls, that there was a 2 hour warning.) It’s not even close to a perfect score. It’s really not something I would be advertising as a deterrent.

    Can you say something of substance to what I just re-stated?

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  32. Erebus says:
    @Chaban
    And who could bring about the collapse of the U.S. $ once the last global domino, i.e. Russia, falls pray tell?

    And please don't even start that game you are trying to play: Faker and other low-level Kremlin propagandists, like "Peak Oil" (don't laugh!) Orlov, have written dozens of articles talking about the imminent collapse of the U.S.

    Are you trying to suggest that by imminent we should have looked at the next couple centuries?

    As I said, Russia waged an amazing war on the propaganda front. I would argue they were winning on that front. But now that part is over.

    And who could bring about the collapse of the U.S. $ once the last global domino, i.e. Russia, falls pray tell?

    China, for one, and in hours/days at no cost to themselves. When they perceive that either the moment of maximum benefit to themselves has arrived, or some exogenous event forces their hand.
    They would prefer the former, of course, though the latter is rapidly growing more likely.

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  33. Chaban says:

    Wrong. Of all the countries in the world, besides the U.S., China would lose the most if the U.S. $ collapsed.
    As a matter of fact, they’ve helped prop it ut for years.

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    Wrong.
     
    I'm wondering if that was addressed to me? If it was:

    Wrong? On what count? And why?
    The proof of the pudding is in the eating, of course, but I fully expect them to pull the trigger in the foreseeable future. If the US continues to misbehave, it may be sooner rather than later.

    However, I agree that they've propped the dollar up. That was the quid pro quo for getting into the WTO, and it was in their interest to do so. The canny Chinese, however, saw to their upside. Namely, they got to turbo-charge building their country on America's credit card (and their hard work, of course).

    That credit card will hit its limit soon and the Chinese will hand it back as soon as it does.
    They traded a pile of plastic toys & cheap toasters for a massive manufacturing base and the world's most modern infrastructure, while all the US got was a very expensive military machine. What is the US gonna do with it when the US can't pay the rent on their overseas bases, and their overseas personnel are hitch-hiking rides home? That's the question that has stalled things to this point.
  34. PaulT says:

    Good article. Credit to Saker. He was the first to call out Trump and is proven correct.

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  35. Taras77 says:

    The knives are out for Tulsi Gabbard from the demo “party leaders” because of her refusing to jump on board of the group think express on the gas hoax.

    She is one of few honest and courageous politicians in the DC sewer.

    The attacks from the demos,calling for her to resign, reflects the stench and utter decay of that party.

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    Tulsi will be vindicated.

    [Is this too good to be true? I hope Steele's sources are right.]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8n6VCL5D7A
    Robert Steele - Inside Source Says Brennan, McCain & McMaster Responsible for Syrian False Flag - 5 minute update
  36. Max Payne says:

    Tomahawks fail all the time, oh look an article from 1998:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1998/08/28/pakistan-says-it-is-studying-errant-us-missile/47c5cf73-901f-4734-bac8-4c9edb46b3ac/?utm_term=.49bfc8d22c5e

    They just fall out of the sky. It’s all those made in China components I tell ya….

    Uhh just for the record, Brat 1 & 2 does come in English subtitles.

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  37. Gleimhart says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    Nuclear weapons should probably be reserved for ethnostates such as North Korea, China and Russia (although I'd personally be comfortable with Japanese acquisition of nukes). I increasingly favor nuclear disarmament for the U.S., France and Great Britain.

    Oh yeah. Russia, North Korea and China should definitely have nukes, and the U.S. left with none.

    You’re a friggin’ genius!

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  38. Gleimhart says:
    @Chaban
    Poor Faker.

    Been predicting an imminent U.S. collapse for what? a decade now?

    Said Ukraine was about to implode three or four years ago.

    These days he's trying to cheer up his readers, but he knows it's all over.

    The U.S. just decided to move beyond the propaganda war as Russia, I think it is fair to say, was winning on that front.

    But now it's over. Faker knows there is absolutely nothing Russia can do militarily against the West. I mean, we are talking about ALL the most powerful nations on earth combined here.

    Yeah, he can talk all he wants about Napoleon and the Third Reich, but the coalition now about to destroy Russia will not have to constantly worry about its western flank like others did. And Russia will not be supplied by a constant flow of tens of thousands of pieces of military hardware like in the 40s.

    Faker is suuuuch a good analyst that he was all excited, just like his followers, when Trump was elected. Those people truly believed that you could beat the system at its own game. So gullible! It was so bad that I left a couple messages on his blog (or on here, I can't remember), saying that Trump was meant to have Putin lower his guard, just like Obama was meant to have the Arab leaders drop their guards, and that Russia was in for a big surprise. Of course all the Faker groupies laughed me off... The "battle" that you saw between Trump and the establishment was just WWF meant to confuse the Russian leadership. Everyone was sooo focused on that. Suckers!

    As though, the chain of events of the last couple weeks had not been planned for weeks, months even. The Faker groupies are now grasping at straws (Ivanka, baby pictures, etc.) They cannot admit they've been had.

    As for the Faker, who knows Russia is screwed, he is left begging for China to do something. Only thing is, China is the U.S.'s bitch and their troop movements right now prove it.

    Finally, the U.S. totally took Russia and its leaders by surprise with the strike last week and now they are completely humiliating them by sending their Secretary of State to Moscow to rub it in. After such a slap in the face, a powerful nation would have turned down the visit. Do you actually think Russia could hit U.S. interests and send Lavrov to Washington a few days later?

    Now Lavrov and Tillerson have been going at it ALL DAY... meaning there are heavy negotiations going on. And that means Russia is in a position of weakness. They are doing everything they can to save face. There is nothing they can do. Faker knows it. All (real) military analysts know it. Of course Russia's nuclear arsenal, if it's still functioning properly, could be their trump card, but there is no way they would go there.

    And finally, I think China will turn on Russia. Mark my words. You've read it first.

    And all of Kiza's ad hominem attacks cannot change a thing about all this.

    The Saker’s anti-Americanism is always on full display. His columns always bubble over with his seething hatred for America and Americans.

    I wonder if he knows that John Wayne was just an actor. And why does he compare Russian special forces guys to John Wayne. He should compare them to our special forces guys.

    As for all of this crap of how Russians supposedly look down on Americans, they can stuff it. We don’t need lessons in morality or anything else from those people. They massacred tens of millions of their own, and the ones left alive lived a shitty existence, while our people lived the good life.

    And I hate the neocons with a vengeance, and I hate what Trump is allowing to happen to his presidency, but this notion that Russians are in any position to lecture Americans is crap, as is the notion that Russians are real manly men, while Americans are just a bunch of phony John Waynes. That’s some out of left field weirdness right there.

    I suppose this “Saker” fellow, whoever he is, is likely an arm of Russian propaganda.

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    The Saker’s anti-Americanism
     
    I wonder what his ideal U.S. government would look like?
    , @Kiza
    The only characteristic that exceeds the lack of knowledge of the majority of US people is their aggressive stupidity, on great display in comments here. I realised this a long while ago. For example, have you heard of a US movie called "Animal", rated very lowly because it describes the true moral nature of the US population? Another relevant one is "Idiocracy".

    Trying to engage aggressive US & Israeli idiots in a discussion would be a total waste of time. I have better things to do with my time.

    , @War for Blair Mountain
    Maybe Saker has good reasons to be anti-American. Russia was nestly destroyed dusting the Clinton years...It was a deliberate policy to gang rape Russia.
  39. I’m curious how Shamir is gonna swing these newer developments in favor of Trump….

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  40. Hail says: • Website

    I have to say that Trump now appears to make Dubya look smart.

    Both were subject to the same pressures from the same gang that has had a kind of veto power in U.S. government and society for decades.

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  41. Hail says: • Website
    @Gleimhart
    The Saker's anti-Americanism is always on full display. His columns always bubble over with his seething hatred for America and Americans.

    I wonder if he knows that John Wayne was just an actor. And why does he compare Russian special forces guys to John Wayne. He should compare them to our special forces guys.

    As for all of this crap of how Russians supposedly look down on Americans, they can stuff it. We don't need lessons in morality or anything else from those people. They massacred tens of millions of their own, and the ones left alive lived a shitty existence, while our people lived the good life.

    And I hate the neocons with a vengeance, and I hate what Trump is allowing to happen to his presidency, but this notion that Russians are in any position to lecture Americans is crap, as is the notion that Russians are real manly men, while Americans are just a bunch of phony John Waynes. That's some out of left field weirdness right there.

    I suppose this "Saker" fellow, whoever he is, is likely an arm of Russian propaganda.

    The Saker’s anti-Americanism

    I wonder what his ideal U.S. government would look like?

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    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    One that doesn't pose an existential threat to Christian Russia...
  42. wayfarer says:

    How are U.S. taxpayer dollars spent?

    (a). Not including the high-cost to maintain two underway U.S. guided-missile destroyers, fifty-nine Tomahawk missiles sunk into Syrian dirt, at $1.59 million each, cost U.S. taxpayers a total of $93.81 million.

    (b). This money could have fully funded Meals-on-Wheels for poor U.S. senior citizens, through 2029.

    https://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/meals-on-wheels-syria-donald-trump/2220/

    (c). This money could of fully funded U.S. taxpayer’s $91 million 2016/2017 budget for the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum.

    https://www.ushmm.org/m/pdfs/20160209-fy17-pres-budget-request.pdf

    What other ways could this $94 million have been used?

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    I don't know why taxpayer money is spent on the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum.

    If we're going to spend on things like that it should be on the German, Soviet, Turkish, Arab, Cambodian, German South West African, and Chinese holocausts.
  43. Successful gas attack to execute is not so easy as people imagine. Air velocity and direction as well as a dispersion velocity of poisonous gas are critical. This can be determined by person in near proximity of area of attack. It cannot be determined from miles away. Success of dropping a one barrel bomb filled with gas is practically zero. Efficient delivery of canisters with poison was only practiced by artillery shells. All this gas attack is cooked up farce. Also somebody watching the scenes from injured indicate a staged action. People are stupid they believe they believe anything.

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    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    I've had thoughts along the same lines. Preparing aeriel bombs with poison gas is very tricky, especially if you don't have binary weapons. A whole lot of people in chemical warfare suits at an airbase would be very difficult to hide. As you note, most gas in WWI was delivered by artillery, mostly because to be effective you have to keep delivering it to the target as the wind disperses it. (I think Central European Soviet invasion Cold War scenarios contemplated gas but I'm not sure about the contemplated means of delivery--some of it might have been by air.) So I think that the likelihood that this was an aeriel bomb delivered poison gas attack is close to zero.
  44. RobinG says:
    @Taras77
    The knives are out for Tulsi Gabbard from the demo "party leaders" because of her refusing to jump on board of the group think express on the gas hoax.

    She is one of few honest and courageous politicians in the DC sewer.

    The attacks from the demos,calling for her to resign, reflects the stench and utter decay of that party.

    Tulsi will be vindicated.

    [Is this too good to be true? I hope Steele's sources are right.]

    Robert Steele - Inside Source Says Brennan, McCain & McMaster Responsible for Syrian False Flag – 5 minute update

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  45. Kiza says:
    @Gleimhart
    The Saker's anti-Americanism is always on full display. His columns always bubble over with his seething hatred for America and Americans.

    I wonder if he knows that John Wayne was just an actor. And why does he compare Russian special forces guys to John Wayne. He should compare them to our special forces guys.

    As for all of this crap of how Russians supposedly look down on Americans, they can stuff it. We don't need lessons in morality or anything else from those people. They massacred tens of millions of their own, and the ones left alive lived a shitty existence, while our people lived the good life.

    And I hate the neocons with a vengeance, and I hate what Trump is allowing to happen to his presidency, but this notion that Russians are in any position to lecture Americans is crap, as is the notion that Russians are real manly men, while Americans are just a bunch of phony John Waynes. That's some out of left field weirdness right there.

    I suppose this "Saker" fellow, whoever he is, is likely an arm of Russian propaganda.

    The only characteristic that exceeds the lack of knowledge of the majority of US people is their aggressive stupidity, on great display in comments here. I realised this a long while ago. For example, have you heard of a US movie called “Animal”, rated very lowly because it describes the true moral nature of the US population? Another relevant one is “Idiocracy”.

    Trying to engage aggressive US & Israeli idiots in a discussion would be a total waste of time. I have better things to do with my time.

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    Please show me a country where most people are not largely ignorant of relevant matters. Please do. I want to know what country this may be. Where are these awesomely informed populations?

    The whole world is full of dullards and easy-to-fool sheep, you shit-wit. That includes whatever useless piece of crap country YOU call home.

    You're calling Americans stupid, while "The Saker" thinks that a movie actor that's been dead for 40 years is some sort of American male prototype. Mind you, Putin is the one that likes getting his picture taken with his shirt off. Most White American men look more manly than that sad sight, and "The Saker" seems to have nothing to say about such pseudo macho posing from his KGB hero.

    So come one. Tell me what country YOU call home, so I can give you a laundry list of things that make YOUR people as dumb as stumps.
  46. utu says:
    @Kiza
    There are three possible reasons why some Tomahawks disappeared:
    1) they failed
    2) they were shot down
    3) they were jammed.

    The Tomahawks were launched in a barrage on purpose and this is why some got through whatever the Russians threw at them. The missiles were numerous and they were probably programmed to take different routes to the target, therefore it was impossible to stop all of them with limitted air defence (anti-missile or jamming) resources available in a foreign country. Whatever the Russians used, they could apply the same on a much bigger scale over Russia against nuclear tipped US missiles.

    But Saker's description of the reliability of the Raytheon's missiles is borderline silly, it reminds me of the old Saker weapons specification aficionado. Raytheon is one of the most marketing oriented MIC company in the World. Saker should recall the stories of the capabilities of the Raytheon's Patriot system defending Israel against Saddam's Scuds. They claimed the shootdown rate of about 99%, whilst in reality it was about 8%, if I remember correctly. Pure, refined bull. Does Saker think that only Lockeed Martin Co is capable of stuffing up? Admitdly LM stuffed up the development, but is it not equally possible to stuff up a series of missiles in production? The principle of irresponsibility with the tax payers money is the same.

    Finally, I fail to understand the logic that Russia would strictly respect an agreement with a country which never respects any agreement, a country which used the self-declared position of a Russian SU24 to organise its shoot-down by a couple of NATO countries, using two Turkish figher jets. Also, is it not true that the International law overrides any bilateral agreement? It is almost like saying - the US launched a First Nuclear Strike on China and Russia, but Russia will still respect an agreement with US. In other words, when someone does aggression, all agreements fall by the wayside. On top, why would the Russian air defence in Syria not try to battle test S400 and thus increase its value on the international armaments market by battle proving it? One does not get such opportunity very often, if the Russians missed it then they are crazy.

    In summary, all three options are possible. In terms of probability, I would select a combination of shooting down and jamming as more likely, but with a possible contribution of failures. I believe that the Russian military will eventually leak what actually happened with the missing Tomahawks, probably within a year.

    There are three possible reasons why some Tomahawks disappeared

    There is a fourth one: only 23 were launched and 59 were reported just for accounting purposes.

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    The fifth reason: all 59 hit target, just for whatever reasons the Russians claim only 23, and the Americans for whatever reasons don't deny it.
    , @jacques sheete

    There is a fourth one: only 23 were launched and 59 were reported just for accounting purposes.
     
    That's it, by Jove!

    The Pentagon has historically had some trouble with accounting (pun intended). Remember the unaccounted for TRIllions?
  47. Erebus says:
    @Chaban
    Wrong. Of all the countries in the world, besides the U.S., China would lose the most if the U.S. $ collapsed.
    As a matter of fact, they've helped prop it ut for years.

    Wrong.

    I’m wondering if that was addressed to me? If it was:

    Wrong? On what count? And why?
    The proof of the pudding is in the eating, of course, but I fully expect them to pull the trigger in the foreseeable future. If the US continues to misbehave, it may be sooner rather than later.

    However, I agree that they’ve propped the dollar up. That was the quid pro quo for getting into the WTO, and it was in their interest to do so. The canny Chinese, however, saw to their upside. Namely, they got to turbo-charge building their country on America’s credit card (and their hard work, of course).

    That credit card will hit its limit soon and the Chinese will hand it back as soon as it does.
    They traded a pile of plastic toys & cheap toasters for a massive manufacturing base and the world’s most modern infrastructure, while all the US got was a very expensive military machine. What is the US gonna do with it when the US can’t pay the rent on their overseas bases, and their overseas personnel are hitch-hiking rides home? That’s the question that has stalled things to this point.

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  48. utu says:
    @libertreee
    I shared this article, like the Saker a lot. His insights have opened my eyes to Russian POV.
    However, I am a libertarian and I don't think the Saker understands what Laissez-Faire is. His comment is typical of the simplistic economic mindset that believes laissez-faire will turn everything over to the corporations.
    First of all, corporations are creatures of the state. Laissez faire (LF) will cut the ties of corporations to the state. You dont need government permission to have a business entity that is perpetual and offers limited immunity to stockholders. That can be done strictly contractually.
    Secondly, it is a myth that unregulated corporations would soon have everyone working for $1 an hour. Markets will still set compensation based on production.
    Third, monopolies are always state created, not market created, at least over time. Standard Oil was not broken up by Teddy Roosevelt, it was broken up by market forces.
    The very thing that Saker dislikes, the IMF post war western central banking establishment will no longer have government backing and will disappear. Central banks will be replaced by regional, a political currency clearing houses.
    I recommend to those who do not understand Laissez Faire a classic book by a Marxist peacenik, Gabriel Kolko, called "The Triumph of Conservatism". My liberal friends never read it, but the first half in particular is an excellent analysis of Laissez Faire in the gilded age and the myths about it generated by Progressives.

    By mistake I pressed Agree under your comment. I meant to press “Nonsense” or “Must have been written buy an idiot” by there were no such options.

    You are delusional libertarian. I hope you are very young. Libertarianism infect young minds (usually boys not girls) and after some life experiences most of them are cured of it. But if you are not young it means there is no hope for you. You are just too stupid to figure out that you believe in nonsense. You will die like that. I am sorry.

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    I agree with you about libertarians. Sooner hour later the guy with the jock strap gets up on the stage to dance.

    I don't know how much government you think is best. As an abstract proposition, however, toward the dirigiste side of the spectrum there is also no place where wise, realistic, disinterested, caring, just governors can devise the optimum point where there is efficient, economical social justice.

    The best that the perfumed wise people have been able to manage is a Europe awash in hostile foreigners and a US with a public debt curve that hurtles into Jack and the Beanstalk territory on the right side of the graph.

    Keeping power out of the hands of people who want "to govern" and embracing a healthy degree of anarchy (liberty) with a light touch of imposed order (government) seems like the best approach.
  49. utu says:
    @Kiza
    I usually like your comments, but this one is an absolute disaster. You are totally blinded by your own ideology.

    OK, so the free market proponents claim that "monopolies are always state created, not market created, at least over time" and you find fault with this, whilst as the next thing you accept that the airliner manufacturing duopoly had to be (EU) state created, over 17 years. If you were an economist, you would understand that the difference between a monopoly and duopoly is only a couple of letters. Duopoly is not a free market, almost as much as monopoly is not a free market. With just a little bit of signaling between only two market players, the market becomes as cornered as in a monopoly. Your misunderstanding of the free market is that you can imagine only black or white, whilst the market situation can be many shades of gray. The law of the market is: the more players in the market the more difficult the signalling (collusion) between players. But in some special situations, even for example 10 market players could be colluding, this can be the case in some mature markets where the market players exchange staff which makes collusion easier.

    It is not the market which drove out McDonnel-Douglas and Lockheed. MCD failed due to mismanagement (OK that is partly due to the market punishing mismanagement exhibited by airliners falling out of the sky), but Lockheed turned to a much more lucrative MIC, which is a prototypical monopoly-hugging government-business (oxymoron) domain, and acquired several other military contractors to strengthen its monopolistic position in this domain. Soon after this monopoly position was established, the biggest disaster in the US military development history so far ensued - F35.

    Finally, similarly, you interpret the illegal signalling (collusion) between Silicon Valley companies as failure of the free market. But a free market can fail only if it exists, the labor market in Silicon Valley is not free if there is signalling between companies on labor costs.

    The free market proponents accept an inclination of the market players towards collusion (better screw customers instead of competing) but make it illegal. Even then, it is not the state which should regulate markets and prevent collusion then a market authority established by the free market players and enforced by courts free of government interference. But, ultimately, the best court is the court of public opinion, as in the case of United Airlines physical abuse of a Chinese national one one of their flights.

    I am disappointed with you. You have lots of sensible views but just what you have spouted about economy totally compromises you.

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    What do you disagree with in his economic views touching monopoly and how and why it is created and sustained. BTW would you not agree that quasi natural monopoly or duopoly/oligoply could easily result from the economies of scale and perhaps purchssing power in an industry being so large that most competitors on price can't earn enough to stay in business (even if the reason is that they can't raise needed capital).? In Australia we have had a near duopoly in full service supermarkets which is only just losing ifs blue chip growth record as Europeans like Aldi have taken a long view and entdred the market. Alternatively you could say that the cost of entry for private capitalists are too great as appears to be the case with ccivil aircraft.
  50. “I think that the so-called “elites” in charge running the USA are infinitely arrogant, stupid, uneducated, incompetent and irresponsible.”

    There is a term for that: psychopath

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    No, that is not a term for it. Being a psychopath hardly overlaps in definition. That's not to say that more than a few of them are not psychopaths.
  51. @Kiza
    This is a very nice and entertaining write up, but its reasoning often has big holes. For example, “those who hated him still hate him while those who supported him now also hate him“ is a nice flowing statement but meaningless. What does it matter to Trump if those who voted for him now hate him? This has always been the principal problem of "democracy" and "elections", that the candidate only has to say the right things before the elections and after the election can serve any constituency he wants (always the moneyed and weaponized one). By the time of the next election, the dumb voters will vote for him again, because the people he served will promote him as a lesser evil again by offering an even worse alternative.

    In other words, the way things are shaping up, if the planet survives till the next US election, Hillary is likely to be again the opposition candidate. Given such impossible choice, I would still have to vote for the war criminal who warned his victims two hours before killing them, than vote for a war criminal who kills without compunction. To understand this think of the Serbian TV station that Clinton hit in 1999 by a Tomahawk missile killing 16 civilians: TV technicians, face makeup artists, cleaners, janitor and similar staff. And if I abstain from voting somebody else will vote for the lesser evil and Trump will be elected again anyway, because he killed for the Establishment.

    I will address the issue of the missing Tomahawks in my next comment.

    Do you blame Hillsry Clinton for the 1990s attack on the Belgrade TV station? Why?

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    Perhaps because he is not infected with terminal methodological individualism?
  52. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Actually, I’m not sure China should do much of anything right now. I get Saker calling out Xi to act out against the US and support Russia. But the way I see it, that is what the elites want.

    They want to provoke China now, instead of later, when China has the chance to improve its military. And they want to provoke Russia now, to prevent Russia from getting a stranglehold in the ME. And they definately want a distraction from the coming depression.

    Trump is showing a display of force along Russia and China’s flank to see where the best opening is. Whichever opening cracks first will grant Trump the opening to strike. If that opening is denied, Trump will be SOL. And America will likely collapse.

    Both Putin and Xi are playing the long game, and doing it well.

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  53. @anon
    Sorry to break the consensus in the echo chamber, but I can't see why Russians would have been giving away (read "advertise") their anti-missile defense abilities. I can't see how much damage was avoided if Russians stopped half of the missiles, and Shayram doesn't seem that useful anyway - so if the "Russian defense" were real, it was all for demonstration purposes.. Since we all agree they received 2 hours warning, which likely included the type of strike, Russians' ability to repeal subsonic cruise missiles looks less impressive than it were, if a real surprise was enacted - so the demonstration also falls flat.

    A demonstration of 50% repeal rate is not that impressive. Next time, they'll get two nukes instead of one, and that's that.

    Analyzing an imaginary Russian defense will only take you that far.

    I think the point attempted to be made about your arithmetic approximation is ludicrously trivial (I guess you didn’t remember the exact alleged figure and thought 50% was better than citing an incorrect figure). However, have you not considered that the Russians may have been using the occasion simply to test the weapon in something like real hostilities? We may have no real idea how many failures they had but they know and if there were failures they have valuable information, even more than if there was 100 per cent success.

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    Indeed it would have been a great opportunity for testing such a system. (Remember the howling of the Western MSM when the Chinese shot down one of their own satellites?)

    But advertising it would have required even better success rate.
  54. MarkinLA says:
    @Kiza
    I usually like your comments, but this one is an absolute disaster. You are totally blinded by your own ideology.

    OK, so the free market proponents claim that "monopolies are always state created, not market created, at least over time" and you find fault with this, whilst as the next thing you accept that the airliner manufacturing duopoly had to be (EU) state created, over 17 years. If you were an economist, you would understand that the difference between a monopoly and duopoly is only a couple of letters. Duopoly is not a free market, almost as much as monopoly is not a free market. With just a little bit of signaling between only two market players, the market becomes as cornered as in a monopoly. Your misunderstanding of the free market is that you can imagine only black or white, whilst the market situation can be many shades of gray. The law of the market is: the more players in the market the more difficult the signalling (collusion) between players. But in some special situations, even for example 10 market players could be colluding, this can be the case in some mature markets where the market players exchange staff which makes collusion easier.

    It is not the market which drove out McDonnel-Douglas and Lockheed. MCD failed due to mismanagement (OK that is partly due to the market punishing mismanagement exhibited by airliners falling out of the sky), but Lockheed turned to a much more lucrative MIC, which is a prototypical monopoly-hugging government-business (oxymoron) domain, and acquired several other military contractors to strengthen its monopolistic position in this domain. Soon after this monopoly position was established, the biggest disaster in the US military development history so far ensued - F35.

    Finally, similarly, you interpret the illegal signalling (collusion) between Silicon Valley companies as failure of the free market. But a free market can fail only if it exists, the labor market in Silicon Valley is not free if there is signalling between companies on labor costs.

    The free market proponents accept an inclination of the market players towards collusion (better screw customers instead of competing) but make it illegal. Even then, it is not the state which should regulate markets and prevent collusion then a market authority established by the free market players and enforced by courts free of government interference. But, ultimately, the best court is the court of public opinion, as in the case of United Airlines physical abuse of a Chinese national one one of their flights.

    You are totally blinded by your own ideology.

    Wrong. I am responding to the stupidity of ideology. The free market ideologist always seem to make up phony excuses for why the free market really hasn’t failed when it has. They always blame something other than the free market. I am just pointing out the inconsistencies in their religion, I have no ideology.

    Sometimes markets work and sometimes they don’t. However there is no magic in free markets. In a true free market people are free to collude with each other, free to assemble a monopoly, create cartels, and corner the market for essential commodities.

    Take this:

    But a free market can fail only if it exists, the labor market in Silicon Valley is not free if there is signalling between companies on labor costs.

    ??? What does this even mean? The CEOs doing the colluding were acting freely and with no coercion by government when they entered into this agreement. The CEOs of coal companies were acting freely when they paid their employees in company script only usable at the company store. Nobody in government forced this upon them. They took advantage of the relative weakness of their employees. There is no market anywhere where everybody has equal leverage and cannot be taken advantage of.

    The problem with free market ideologists is they have a distorted view of capitalism that makes them think stupidly. They think the main driving force in capitalism is people competing to provide the best products and services to their customers at the lowest possible price so as to beat the competition. However, this is not true. The main driving force in capitalism is to make as much money as you can with the least amount of effort. When you see capitalism in this light it makes it easier to understand what really happens.

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    That's right...Pure free unadulturated free markets across the boards=psychopathy writ large....This would be the morality of Hell itself.

    Kiza is pushing the fairy tale about virtues of the free markets...specifically:pure unsdulturated free markets....Silicon Valley is a testament to the violation of undulturated free market principles.

    Kiza wants us to have a fairly tale debate about free markets. I have 0 tolerance for asperger-autistic free marketism...Is this any cure for this?...Perhaps a year of slave labor in Apple's chattel slave rackets in China.
  55. It always used to be assumed that there was such a thing as secret diplomacy. Supposing a message was conveyed to Putin so he knew it was genuinely from Trump to the to the effect of “Let’s catch the bird on the wing, let’s amaze the world: we’ve got six weeks within which to pull off a foreign relations coup 100 times greater than the Northern Ireland settlement (OK Vladimir you probably don’t remember that imposition of kindergarten discipline) or Camp David so, if you are in on this let us know where you would put your first priority without any bullshit. Subtleties will be necessary on several issues as we both know….” what would/should Trump’s priorities and sticking points be?

    If Crimea and Ukraine were part of the deal then an obvious possibility would be for Crimea to be allowed to vote for independence now and merger with another country not sooner than 20 years from now. And wouldn’t they at least talk about both sponsoring a Kurdish state after defeating Daesh?

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  56. MarkinLA says:
    @Kiza
    Just to clarify my point about how McDD and Lockheed exited the airliner market. Even though one could argue that McDD was punished by the market for killing too many end customers and not doing as much marketing as Boeing, Lockheed exited the airliners market because another, the MIC monopoly-hugging market was much more lucrative. Therefore, it was the monopolistic nature of the state domain (whining by lobbying and corruption) that created the monopolistic airliner market, by attracting the smallest player from the airliner market triopoly. Therefore, this is fully consistent with the free market theory, although this monopolistic market was created by state in an indirect way, not by a decree. Take out the rotten MIC domain and Lockheed would probably still be competing in the airliner market.

    Lockheed exited the airliners market because another, the MIC monopoly-hugging market was much more lucrative.

    This is another one of those excuses that doesn’t really make sense when you get past the religion. If Lockheed was running a successful commercial aircraft business and had a more lucrative military aircraft business it makes absolutely no sense to abandon the commercial aircraft business. Both businesses are not operating in the same facilities and can both be run parallel to each other. Litton Industries at one time had 109 distinct divisions. Having the commercial airline business also allows Lockheed to compete in the other military aircraft areas such as cargo transports and in air refueling planes.

    Lockheed had plenty of production capacity to keep every one of their divisions going. In fact, they had too much capacity and closed their Burbank facility with the military downturn in the 1990s.

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  57. alexander says:
    @Chaban
    And who could bring about the collapse of the U.S. $ once the last global domino, i.e. Russia, falls pray tell?

    And please don't even start that game you are trying to play: Faker and other low-level Kremlin propagandists, like "Peak Oil" (don't laugh!) Orlov, have written dozens of articles talking about the imminent collapse of the U.S.

    Are you trying to suggest that by imminent we should have looked at the next couple centuries?

    As I said, Russia waged an amazing war on the propaganda front. I would argue they were winning on that front. But now that part is over.

    Hi Chaban,

    Who really gives a hoot about Russian propaganda ?

    Russia did not LIE the American people into the catastrophic Iraq war, our elite war mongers DID .

    Let them assume responsibility for their deceits, and cough up the money to pay for it.

    Not one American citizen should be on the hook for any of the whopping 20 trillion dollar debt their war fraud created.

    Not one penny.

    Not now and not twenty years from now.

    Our war mongering elites need to assume responsibility for their actions and cough up the dough.

    I don’t want to speculate on what countries around the world will continue to purchase our bonds to underwrite our heinous war debt.

    I want my money back….. NOW.

    If our war mongers are so convinced their stupid, unconstitutional, wars of aggression are worth it…..So WORTH IT they are willing to LIE to every American Citizen to get them started …then they should be willing to DIG DOWN DEEP into their OWN pockets … to PAY for it….the WHOLE WAY.

    This is America, buddy….IF you saying our “deceitful” war mongers should get a FREE RIDE BECAUSE THEY LIED ……

    and the burden of their heinous war debt should be foisted on the back of 320 million Americans who were LIED TO ?.

    On behalf of 320 million Americans….I have just one thing to say to you ….

    F#CK YOU …….AND THE HORSE YOU RODE IN ON !

    Who gives a crap about Russian propaganda ?

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    Alexander,

    What you write may be all true, but that was not my point.

    You make a lot of noice, putting on that great "offended" act. But what are you going to do about all this? Nothing. You are absolutely powerless.

    You write: "This is America, buddy….IF you saying our “deceitful” war mongers should get a FREE RIDE BECAUSE THEY LIED ……"

    Seriously? It's been going on for over 240 years. And again, there is nothing you can do about it, despite all your grandiloquence.
  58. mp says:

    My guess (for what it’s worth) is that this operation was planned a long time ago, with the expectation that Hillary would be president, and it would be a done deal. Then, when that didn’t happen, the so-called Deep State leaned on Trump through his son in law and daughter. Why Trump caved is anyone’s guess. Obviously Trump is not concerned about “gassed babies.” The fact that anyone takes it seriously shows just how pathetic the national political discourse is.

    It’s almost funny, at this stage of the game. The latest–the WH spokesman talking about Syrian Hitler(TM) by attempting to out-Hitler(TM) the real Hitler(TM), but winding up in an “anti-Semitic” recursive loop.

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    Very good comment. Trump's reaction could have been anticipated. Trump needed to put an end to that idiotic Congressional investigation, that was heavy burden on his presidency.
  59. @Mao Cheng Ji
    Whoa, I read the whole thing.

    Oh well, one thing is clear: the US and the EU are in a deep crisis. One would hope that their elites will follow the example of the Soviet elite and just let it go and initiate a transition to a less ...uhm... dead-end ideology...

    What do you know about Soviet Union to post this? Stick to something you know because to me you sound like Jack of all trades and master in no.

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    What do you know about Soviet Union to post this?
     
    Quite a bit actually.

    Stick to something you know because to me you sound like Jack of all trades and master in no.
     
    Well, since you're giving me a personal advice, I hope you'll accept one from me too: calm down and try to avoid acting like an asshole, especially for no good reason.
  60. Sacker greatly underestimates Russia and overestimates China. I would say that Chinese should not be trusted and no one should expect them to be savior’s. It is not in their national psych which is merchantelistic and self serving. They will do only what they consider is good for their long term stability as IMHO China has major issues which if not treated carefully might undermine China stability or worse. Hence I do not believe Russia can expect much from China.

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    I agree with you on this one. China only cares about itself. Which is maybe a good thing. They’ll never try to rule the world just for the prestige that it will give them. China is not a natural ally of Russia. Japan is, but they are not a free country, and they are not able to make alliances that will suit them. I don’t think Russia trusts China, and I don’t think they should. There won’t be any help coming from China, particularly not a military one.
  61. KA says:
    @Chaban
    Poor Faker.

    Been predicting an imminent U.S. collapse for what? a decade now?

    Said Ukraine was about to implode three or four years ago.

    These days he's trying to cheer up his readers, but he knows it's all over.

    The U.S. just decided to move beyond the propaganda war as Russia, I think it is fair to say, was winning on that front.

    But now it's over. Faker knows there is absolutely nothing Russia can do militarily against the West. I mean, we are talking about ALL the most powerful nations on earth combined here.

    Yeah, he can talk all he wants about Napoleon and the Third Reich, but the coalition now about to destroy Russia will not have to constantly worry about its western flank like others did. And Russia will not be supplied by a constant flow of tens of thousands of pieces of military hardware like in the 40s.

    Faker is suuuuch a good analyst that he was all excited, just like his followers, when Trump was elected. Those people truly believed that you could beat the system at its own game. So gullible! It was so bad that I left a couple messages on his blog (or on here, I can't remember), saying that Trump was meant to have Putin lower his guard, just like Obama was meant to have the Arab leaders drop their guards, and that Russia was in for a big surprise. Of course all the Faker groupies laughed me off... The "battle" that you saw between Trump and the establishment was just WWF meant to confuse the Russian leadership. Everyone was sooo focused on that. Suckers!

    As though, the chain of events of the last couple weeks had not been planned for weeks, months even. The Faker groupies are now grasping at straws (Ivanka, baby pictures, etc.) They cannot admit they've been had.

    As for the Faker, who knows Russia is screwed, he is left begging for China to do something. Only thing is, China is the U.S.'s bitch and their troop movements right now prove it.

    Finally, the U.S. totally took Russia and its leaders by surprise with the strike last week and now they are completely humiliating them by sending their Secretary of State to Moscow to rub it in. After such a slap in the face, a powerful nation would have turned down the visit. Do you actually think Russia could hit U.S. interests and send Lavrov to Washington a few days later?

    Now Lavrov and Tillerson have been going at it ALL DAY... meaning there are heavy negotiations going on. And that means Russia is in a position of weakness. They are doing everything they can to save face. There is nothing they can do. Faker knows it. All (real) military analysts know it. Of course Russia's nuclear arsenal, if it's still functioning properly, could be their trump card, but there is no way they would go there.

    And finally, I think China will turn on Russia. Mark my words. You've read it first.

    And all of Kiza's ad hominem attacks cannot change a thing about all this.

    American fall has been predicted by Saker ( I am not aware but I wil accept it for the argument’s sake ) It has not happened because the “fall” has been exported to other countries abroad . The dire economic situations in Asia ,Africa, EU and Latin America are the shining example of the tortuous American forceful manipulation . Without the rest of the world shouldering the burden , America would be Greece asking tourists to visit with no identity .
    It doesn’t mean America has not screwed itself . The issues that give rise to coup in other countries give rise to stealing of election in this country by unique way -it forces the winner and office holder to change sides overnight Information is suppressed not by force but by nepotism of highest order ,by fear ,insinuation and relationship and economic pressure . The tension gets amplified in the streets,parks,schools,movie theaters mall,and in police encounter. Bodies pile up because the hate fear and the insecurity undermine confidence in the system.

    The faceless bastard can decide in unattended meetings lasting seconds to minutes to kill millions but cant bring the bill that affects the lives of the millions of Americans for discussion .
    Its leaders are so incompetent that the collective and individual respect the lawmakers and the presidents enjoy will force a recall and a referendum in other countries ( which if not followed through ,will provoke America to unleash wars ) .
    The kind of reason that provokes America to mount attack on the elected bodies abroad routinely gets a pass from and is ignored by the frightened and hapless clueless Americans. ( Think of the E-mail sent from CITI to Obama regarding the selection of the cabinet . These sorts of things give rise to Soros-CIA funded regime change in foreign countries or threat of attack or coup ) . This is not a durable enduing strength .

    Russia was much weaker from 1990- 2000 China was much more vulnerable from 1990 to 2000. America can get away with murder in their own backyard in those days . Now China mocks and steers America away from stupid miscalculation when it can. Other time it just puts the American tail between the Japanese and S Korean legs .

    Has anything militarily and politically or socially got any better in last 17 yrs in USA? American people have been reduced to observing and watching the show carried on by the feuding elites with no input from them . Is this strength ?
    Ask a military man of uniform on the forefront of the war He or she will tel you this war on terror is a terror itself and is being maintained to keep the war-machine running . They receive the replies when they question the idiocy that they are better off than the military of China Russia or Syria .

    There are animals who can survive on rotten meat .Other animal cant . These animals may die if they try . It basically proves one can’t ignore,override and bypass the rules and ingredients on which it is built and can’t replace with another set for convenience. The system that has built and protected America is being poisoned from inside .

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  62. @Gleimhart
    The Saker's anti-Americanism is always on full display. His columns always bubble over with his seething hatred for America and Americans.

    I wonder if he knows that John Wayne was just an actor. And why does he compare Russian special forces guys to John Wayne. He should compare them to our special forces guys.

    As for all of this crap of how Russians supposedly look down on Americans, they can stuff it. We don't need lessons in morality or anything else from those people. They massacred tens of millions of their own, and the ones left alive lived a shitty existence, while our people lived the good life.

    And I hate the neocons with a vengeance, and I hate what Trump is allowing to happen to his presidency, but this notion that Russians are in any position to lecture Americans is crap, as is the notion that Russians are real manly men, while Americans are just a bunch of phony John Waynes. That's some out of left field weirdness right there.

    I suppose this "Saker" fellow, whoever he is, is likely an arm of Russian propaganda.

    Maybe Saker has good reasons to be anti-American. Russia was nestly destroyed dusting the Clinton years…It was a deliberate policy to gang rape Russia.

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    Russia was nearly destroyed during the Clinton years....
    , @Gleimhart
    Well if we're going to hold grudges then what shall we do with the fact that Russia made everyone nervous for most of the 20th century?

    Again, I remind you, the KGB did huge damage to the United States, and the crap of a country we're now left with is something not only WE have to deal with, but it's also boomeranged back on Russia. If they had let us be, we wouldn't be so screwed up now, and they'd be having a much easier time of it.

    Actions have consequences. The Russians need to come to terms with the monumental civilizational damage they have caused, and "The Saker" needs to quit these phony portrayals of Russian awesomeness and innocence at the hands the bad Americans.
  63. @Hail

    The Saker’s anti-Americanism
     
    I wonder what his ideal U.S. government would look like?

    One that doesn’t pose an existential threat to Christian Russia…

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  64. @MarkinLA
    You are totally blinded by your own ideology.

    Wrong. I am responding to the stupidity of ideology. The free market ideologist always seem to make up phony excuses for why the free market really hasn't failed when it has. They always blame something other than the free market. I am just pointing out the inconsistencies in their religion, I have no ideology.

    Sometimes markets work and sometimes they don't. However there is no magic in free markets. In a true free market people are free to collude with each other, free to assemble a monopoly, create cartels, and corner the market for essential commodities.

    Take this:

    But a free market can fail only if it exists, the labor market in Silicon Valley is not free if there is signalling between companies on labor costs.

    ??? What does this even mean? The CEOs doing the colluding were acting freely and with no coercion by government when they entered into this agreement. The CEOs of coal companies were acting freely when they paid their employees in company script only usable at the company store. Nobody in government forced this upon them. They took advantage of the relative weakness of their employees. There is no market anywhere where everybody has equal leverage and cannot be taken advantage of.

    The problem with free market ideologists is they have a distorted view of capitalism that makes them think stupidly. They think the main driving force in capitalism is people competing to provide the best products and services to their customers at the lowest possible price so as to beat the competition. However, this is not true. The main driving force in capitalism is to make as much money as you can with the least amount of effort. When you see capitalism in this light it makes it easier to understand what really happens.

    That’s right…Pure free unadulturated free markets across the boards=psychopathy writ large….This would be the morality of Hell itself.

    Kiza is pushing the fairy tale about virtues of the free markets…specifically:pure unsdulturated free markets….Silicon Valley is a testament to the violation of undulturated free market principles.

    Kiza wants us to have a fairly tale debate about free markets. I have 0 tolerance for asperger-autistic free marketism…Is this any cure for this?…Perhaps a year of slave labor in Apple’s chattel slave rackets in China.

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  65. alexander says:

    Dear Saker,

    Thanks for a very thorough and almost breathtaking article….It covers an awful lot of ground in a very short amount of time.

    The schizophrenic nature of our policy “flip-flopping” is a sight to behold.

    I think statements made by our state department in regards to engagement in Syria at this time, underscore an enormous amount of tension within our government about what our goals should be, both long term, short term, and in between.

    There are a lot of policy makers who want us to smash the “brutal” Syrian regime.

    There are a lot of policy makers who want us to smash “despicable ” ISIS, the nemesis of the “brutal” Syrian regime.

    In an ongoing civil war, where both sides may be evil, brutal, and ruthless, why should the US be picking a side at all ?

    Why not just stay out of the fray, let them duke it out, save our troops and tax dollars for what to do once there is a clearly defined outcome to the conflict ?

    If hurting ASSAD helps ISIS, and hurting ISIS helps ASSAD…..then any action we take favors at least one of our enemies and none of our friends….and probably gets a few more thousand innocent civilians dead.

    Restraint, at this time, is the smart play…..because there is NO upside to intervention.

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    But ISIS was created by USA. The Redirection by Sy Hersh refocused the beam of light on that fact in 2007 . (New Yorker 2007 )
    RAND corporation has envisaged this grand plan of using Jihadist against anybody not toeing lines few years ago . Both are borrowing heavily form American playbook adopted against Soviet in 1979 Both are borrowing same pages from CIA 's 1980 document against Syria. Nothing new
    The new thing is some people do believe that IS showed up out of thin air

    Some believe that US can can sit back , not destroy IS and let IS fight Syria ( NYTimes.COM -Tom Friedman 4/12/17 )
    Some uses the opportunity to excoriate Islam ( Bill Maher Sam Harris )
    and all there are connected through the labyrinthine structure of the Government -Media- Lobby complex

    , @NoseytheDuke
    The situation is not helped at all by referring to this war as a civil war, rather it is a proxy war. As anon has pointed out, one side consists of foreign mercenaries (paid for by the US and/or its allies) and jihadis while the other side, led by Assad, is the legitimate government.
  66. Anti-Americanism is very justified…Specifically the Chickenhawk-Warhawk Ronnie Reagan-John Delorean-Lee Iacoca-Donald Trump -the four cockroaches-worshipping of the 1980′s was a death sentence for White Male Republican Party Voters…..The only alternative is anti-war Alt Rightism…

    I suspect as a young lad, Comrade Saker was a worshipper of these aforementioned greedy narcissistic psychopaths…..but he has since had an epiphany…..

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  67. @War for Blair Mountain
    Maybe Saker has good reasons to be anti-American. Russia was nestly destroyed dusting the Clinton years...It was a deliberate policy to gang rape Russia.

    Russia was nearly destroyed during the Clinton years….

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  68. @utu
    I am disappointed with you. You have lots of sensible views but just what you have spouted about economy totally compromises you.

    What do you disagree with in his economic views touching monopoly and how and why it is created and sustained. BTW would you not agree that quasi natural monopoly or duopoly/oligoply could easily result from the economies of scale and perhaps purchssing power in an industry being so large that most competitors on price can’t earn enough to stay in business (even if the reason is that they can’t raise needed capital).? In Australia we have had a near duopoly in full service supermarkets which is only just losing ifs blue chip growth record as Europeans like Aldi have taken a long view and entdred the market. Alternatively you could say that the cost of entry for private capitalists are too great as appears to be the case with ccivil aircraft.

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  69. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wizard of Oz
    I think the point attempted to be made about your arithmetic approximation is ludicrously trivial (I guess you didn't remember the exact alleged figure and thought 50% was better than citing an incorrect figure). However, have you not considered that the Russians may have been using the occasion simply to test the weapon in something like real hostilities? We may have no real idea how many failures they had but they know and if there were failures they have valuable information, even more than if there was 100 per cent success.

    Indeed it would have been a great opportunity for testing such a system. (Remember the howling of the Western MSM when the Chinese shot down one of their own satellites?)

    But advertising it would have required even better success rate.

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  70. @Johnny F. Ive
    "I think that the so-called “elites” in charge running the USA are infinitely arrogant, stupid, uneducated, incompetent and irresponsible."

    There is a term for that: psychopath

    No, that is not a term for it. Being a psychopath hardly overlaps in definition. That’s not to say that more than a few of them are not psychopaths.

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  71. Avery says:
    @Kiza
    There are three possible reasons why some Tomahawks disappeared:
    1) they failed
    2) they were shot down
    3) they were jammed.

    The Tomahawks were launched in a barrage on purpose and this is why some got through whatever the Russians threw at them. The missiles were numerous and they were probably programmed to take different routes to the target, therefore it was impossible to stop all of them with limitted air defence (anti-missile or jamming) resources available in a foreign country. Whatever the Russians used, they could apply the same on a much bigger scale over Russia against nuclear tipped US missiles.

    But Saker's description of the reliability of the Raytheon's missiles is borderline silly, it reminds me of the old Saker weapons specification aficionado. Raytheon is one of the most marketing oriented MIC company in the World. Saker should recall the stories of the capabilities of the Raytheon's Patriot system defending Israel against Saddam's Scuds. They claimed the shootdown rate of about 99%, whilst in reality it was about 8%, if I remember correctly. Pure, refined bull. Does Saker think that only Lockeed Martin Co is capable of stuffing up? Admitdly LM stuffed up the development, but is it not equally possible to stuff up a series of missiles in production? The principle of irresponsibility with the tax payers money is the same.

    Finally, I fail to understand the logic that Russia would strictly respect an agreement with a country which never respects any agreement, a country which used the self-declared position of a Russian SU24 to organise its shoot-down by a couple of NATO countries, using two Turkish figher jets. Also, is it not true that the International law overrides any bilateral agreement? It is almost like saying - the US launched a First Nuclear Strike on China and Russia, but Russia will still respect an agreement with US. In other words, when someone does aggression, all agreements fall by the wayside. On top, why would the Russian air defence in Syria not try to battle test S400 and thus increase its value on the international armaments market by battle proving it? One does not get such opportunity very often, if the Russians missed it then they are crazy.

    In summary, all three options are possible. In terms of probability, I would select a combination of shooting down and jamming as more likely, but with a possible contribution of failures. I believe that the Russian military will eventually leak what actually happened with the missing Tomahawks, probably within a year.

    {On top, why would the Russian air defence in Syria not try to battle test S400 and thus increase its value on the international armaments market by battle proving it? One does not get such opportunity very often, if the Russians missed it then they are crazy.}

    You are correct that actual combat demonstration would be very valuable.
    So far despite the announced capabilities of S-300 and S-400, there is no actual track record of combat effectiveness of either system (….although previous generations of Soviet/Russian air-defense missiles have an excellent track record in various wars).

    However, I think S-400 would be an overkill to shoot down a Tomahawk.
    It’s old tech cruise-missile costing about $1 million each. (chump change for the bloated US military).

    I don’t know how much an S-400 missile costs (the missile, not the system), but it can’t be cheap: it is large, it has to fly far, and fly very fast.
    There is a limited number of these missiles on hand in Syria.
    And it is somewhat complicated process to ship them from Russia to Syria.
    It’s not like a crate of bullets.

    An F-16 costs around $20-$30 million (depending on what it is loaded with)
    An F-22 costs $340 million.
    If Russians were to shoot down a NATO F-16 or F-22, “by mistake” of course, like you know, the NATO shoot down of the Su-24 “by mistake”, wouldn’t it be a far better demo of S-400 capability?

    Also I think Russians are preserving their limited number of S-400 missiles to defend their own assets (as Saker said), in case there is an actual, direct clash with NATO in Syria.

    As to Russian leadership being ‘Crazy’:

    I think they are quite smart and prudently cautious.
    A direct clash with NATO/US will cost them far more than any potential new sales of S-400 systems. They will try to avoid it until absolutely necessary.

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    My thinking is that Russian leadership is keeping the ultimate goal of them being in Syria firmly in focus.

    The ultimate goal is to wipe out all the invaders and restore Syria as a functioning state - then leave (aside from a naval base and such).
    The goal of the Empire of Chaos is to leave Syria a broken country, with perpetual fighting amongst various groups. A country in name only, like Iraq or Libya.

    The slow and steady grind-down of the cannibalistic invaders by SAA, Russian AF, Iranians, Hezb fighters and such has been successful. Aleppo was liberated after years of terrorist occupation and is slowly returning to normal life, for example. After Raqqa is cleansed of the infestation, things will get much better. Raqqa is a hard nut to crack, because NATO/US have already seeded it with troops. The idea is to use US troops as targets, then use the excuse of "...they killed Americans...." to go all in. So Syrians, Russians, Iranians, etc have to move gingerly.

    The Empire of Chaos will try everything to detail the successful process of cleansing Syria of the infestation.
    The perfect example is the latest false flag chemical attack, followed by direct US illegal attack on Syria.
    The idea is to drag Russia into side-shows and bleed them, so they up and leave Syria.

    Without Russian AF, NATO will rule the skies over Syria, and SAA will be chopped to pieces in short order.

  72. Chaban says:
    @alexander
    Hi Chaban,

    Who really gives a hoot about Russian propaganda ?

    Russia did not LIE the American people into the catastrophic Iraq war, our elite war mongers DID .

    Let them assume responsibility for their deceits, and cough up the money to pay for it.

    Not one American citizen should be on the hook for any of the whopping 20 trillion dollar debt their war fraud created.

    Not one penny.

    Not now and not twenty years from now.

    Our war mongering elites need to assume responsibility for their actions and cough up the dough.

    I don't want to speculate on what countries around the world will continue to purchase our bonds to underwrite our heinous war debt.

    I want my money back..... NOW.

    If our war mongers are so convinced their stupid, unconstitutional, wars of aggression are worth it.....So WORTH IT they are willing to LIE to every American Citizen to get them started ...then they should be willing to DIG DOWN DEEP into their OWN pockets ... to PAY for it....the WHOLE WAY.

    This is America, buddy....IF you saying our "deceitful" war mongers should get a FREE RIDE BECAUSE THEY LIED ......

    and the burden of their heinous war debt should be foisted on the back of 320 million Americans who were LIED TO ?.

    On behalf of 320 million Americans....I have just one thing to say to you ....

    F#CK YOU .......AND THE HORSE YOU RODE IN ON !

    Who gives a crap about Russian propaganda ?

    Alexander,

    What you write may be all true, but that was not my point.

    You make a lot of noice, putting on that great “offended” act. But what are you going to do about all this? Nothing. You are absolutely powerless.

    You write: “This is America, buddy….IF you saying our “deceitful” war mongers should get a FREE RIDE BECAUSE THEY LIED ……”

    Seriously? It’s been going on for over 240 years. And again, there is nothing you can do about it, despite all your grandiloquence.

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    Chaban,

    When you look back in history to Ancient Greece or Rome,

    And you see when their GREAT leaders and generals went off to war...they would return victorious with untold SPOILS of war,... tons of gold, and silver...acquiring thousands of hectares of fertile land..for grazing livestock...or growing wheat and wine......They would return with a bounty a THOUSAND times more valuable than the cost of the expedition itself...and they were Heroes to EVERYBODY...because their success brought great wealth and power to their nation...One and All.

    But when they failed..and their expedition cost a THOUSAND times what their spoils yielded...they became villains.... because they brought nothing but shameful poverty to their country...and were probably fed to the lions.

    When leaders make wars for no other reason than to rob their OWN countrymen of their OWN money...They are not leaders at all...They are the foulest of traitors to their nation.

    And should be treated as such.
    , @Stonehands
    "...Seriously? It’s been going on for over 240 years. And again, there is nothing you can do about it, despite all your grandiloquence."

    When you are done crouching down and licking the hand that feeds you- check out the Joe Stack manifesto.

    Joe died on his feet.

    Now is not the time to be a defeatist dick.

  73. Bill says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Do you blame Hillsry Clinton for the 1990s attack on the Belgrade TV station? Why?

    Perhaps because he is not infected with terminal methodological individualism?

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    With that freedom he could generously spread the blame and given Chelsea and Monica places under the lights with Hillary, Bill grinning wickedly in the background.
    , @Kiza
    You two gentlemen obviously missed the US election campaign, in which Hillary claimed that she and Chelsey were under sniper fire at Sarajevo Airport and claimed that she singlehandedly convinced Billy-Pants-Down to bomb the evil Serbs. This claim most obviously would include the evil TV station and its staff, although Hillary was not involved in choosing individual civilian targets such included schools, hospitals and trains, the usual US humanitarian treat.

    In US, if a war criminal is born every minute. Then why would anyone be surprised that after US killed half-million Syrians through a proxy war on behalf of Israel, Trump would with tears in his eyes directly kill another 12 or 15 Syrians?
  74. Ghost says:

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    Thank you so very much for posting. My heart goes out to the brave people of Syria.
    , @Mark Presco
    This is an inspiring video and I think that is more true than not; but it begs the question of why millions of Syrian men of fighting age have fled the country.

    If they are patriotic Syrians then they should be counted among the freedom fighters who are depicted in the video. Obviously, they are cowards.

    If they are jihadis, are they cowards for fleeing a lost war, or brave for bringing that war to the US and Europe?

    Either way, I have no symphony or respect for Syrian migrants.
  75. @Sergey Krieger
    What do you know about Soviet Union to post this? Stick to something you know because to me you sound like Jack of all trades and master in no.

    What do you know about Soviet Union to post this?

    Quite a bit actually.

    Stick to something you know because to me you sound like Jack of all trades and master in no.

    Well, since you’re giving me a personal advice, I hope you’ll accept one from me too: calm down and try to avoid acting like an asshole, especially for no good reason.

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  76. Avery says:
    @Avery
    {On top, why would the Russian air defence in Syria not try to battle test S400 and thus increase its value on the international armaments market by battle proving it? One does not get such opportunity very often, if the Russians missed it then they are crazy.}

    You are correct that actual combat demonstration would be very valuable.
    So far despite the announced capabilities of S-300 and S-400, there is no actual track record of combat effectiveness of either system (....although previous generations of Soviet/Russian air-defense missiles have an excellent track record in various wars).


    However, I think S-400 would be an overkill to shoot down a Tomahawk.
    It's old tech cruise-missile costing about $1 million each. (chump change for the bloated US military).

    I don't know how much an S-400 missile costs (the missile, not the system), but it can't be cheap: it is large, it has to fly far, and fly very fast.
    There is a limited number of these missiles on hand in Syria.
    And it is somewhat complicated process to ship them from Russia to Syria.
    It's not like a crate of bullets.

    An F-16 costs around $20-$30 million (depending on what it is loaded with)
    An F-22 costs $340 million.
    If Russians were to shoot down a NATO F-16 or F-22, "by mistake" of course, like you know, the NATO shoot down of the Su-24 "by mistake", wouldn't it be a far better demo of S-400 capability?

    Also I think Russians are preserving their limited number of S-400 missiles to defend their own assets (as Saker said), in case there is an actual, direct clash with NATO in Syria.

    As to Russian leadership being 'Crazy':

    I think they are quite smart and prudently cautious.
    A direct clash with NATO/US will cost them far more than any potential new sales of S-400 systems. They will try to avoid it until absolutely necessary.

    My thinking is that Russian leadership is keeping the ultimate goal of them being in Syria firmly in focus.

    The ultimate goal is to wipe out all the invaders and restore Syria as a functioning state – then leave (aside from a naval base and such).
    The goal of the Empire of Chaos is to leave Syria a broken country, with perpetual fighting amongst various groups. A country in name only, like Iraq or Libya.

    The slow and steady grind-down of the cannibalistic invaders by SAA, Russian AF, Iranians, Hezb fighters and such has been successful. Aleppo was liberated after years of terrorist occupation and is slowly returning to normal life, for example. After Raqqa is cleansed of the infestation, things will get much better. Raqqa is a hard nut to crack, because NATO/US have already seeded it with troops. The idea is to use US troops as targets, then use the excuse of “…they killed Americans….” to go all in. So Syrians, Russians, Iranians, etc have to move gingerly.

    The Empire of Chaos will try everything to detail the successful process of cleansing Syria of the infestation.
    The perfect example is the latest false flag chemical attack, followed by direct US illegal attack on Syria.
    The idea is to drag Russia into side-shows and bleed them, so they up and leave Syria.

    Without Russian AF, NATO will rule the skies over Syria, and SAA will be chopped to pieces in short order.

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  77. reiner Tor says: • Website
    @utu
    There are three possible reasons why some Tomahawks disappeared

    There is a fourth one: only 23 were launched and 59 were reported just for accounting purposes.

    The fifth reason: all 59 hit target, just for whatever reasons the Russians claim only 23, and the Americans for whatever reasons don’t deny it.

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    Reason six: those other missiles were intended for other targets and they are still classified. Since trump informed russia of the plan before hand, it could all be kept quiet untill a later time.
  78. Chaban says:
    @anon
    Petition to Trump to not attack Syria. Circulate this as widely as possible.

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/cease-military-intervention-and-involvement-syria

    Aaaawwww! A petition! So cute.

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    • Replies: @RobinG
    You fucking hypocrite!

    First you scorn Alexander for being a hopeless keyboard whiner, then you mock anon for proposing that we assert our First Amendment rights.

    Clear, concise, and right on target, this petition directly supports Syrian sovereignty, Tulsi Gabbard's bill, and Americans' interests. [N.B. That's the interests of Americans, not the hegemonic intentions of our elite Deep State.]

    To scoffers and nay-sayers -

    It's no skin off your ass:
    It costs nothing
    It takes little time ( less time than to complain about ineffectual clicktivism)

    While org. petitions are often mainly to boost their mailing lists,
    this will be seen by the administration and the public
     
    YES, PLEASE SIGN AND SHARE -
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/cease-military-intervention-and-involvement-syria

    "US support of Syrian rebel factions has enlarged and intensified the conflict to the detriment of Syrian civilians. An escalation of hostilities with the Syrian Government risks a broader regional war including confrontation with Russia. This conflict is not in the interest of the American people and further, military strikes against a sovereign nation without a declaration of war is a war crime under international law, and in violation of the Constitution. Immediately cease all hostilities against the Syrian Government including airstrikes and the equipping and training of Syrian rebels."

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/cease-military-intervention-and-involvement-syria
  79. Bill says:
    @anon
    Sorry to break the consensus in the echo chamber, but I can't see why Russians would have been giving away (read "advertise") their anti-missile defense abilities. I can't see how much damage was avoided if Russians stopped half of the missiles, and Shayram doesn't seem that useful anyway - so if the "Russian defense" were real, it was all for demonstration purposes.. Since we all agree they received 2 hours warning, which likely included the type of strike, Russians' ability to repeal subsonic cruise missiles looks less impressive than it were, if a real surprise was enacted - so the demonstration also falls flat.

    A demonstration of 50% repeal rate is not that impressive. Next time, they'll get two nukes instead of one, and that's that.

    Analyzing an imaginary Russian defense will only take you that far.

    This seems like a better point than your critics are giving you credit for. The attack and its outcome were both weird.

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  80. Bill says:
    @libertreee
    I shared this article, like the Saker a lot. His insights have opened my eyes to Russian POV.
    However, I am a libertarian and I don't think the Saker understands what Laissez-Faire is. His comment is typical of the simplistic economic mindset that believes laissez-faire will turn everything over to the corporations.
    First of all, corporations are creatures of the state. Laissez faire (LF) will cut the ties of corporations to the state. You dont need government permission to have a business entity that is perpetual and offers limited immunity to stockholders. That can be done strictly contractually.
    Secondly, it is a myth that unregulated corporations would soon have everyone working for $1 an hour. Markets will still set compensation based on production.
    Third, monopolies are always state created, not market created, at least over time. Standard Oil was not broken up by Teddy Roosevelt, it was broken up by market forces.
    The very thing that Saker dislikes, the IMF post war western central banking establishment will no longer have government backing and will disappear. Central banks will be replaced by regional, a political currency clearing houses.
    I recommend to those who do not understand Laissez Faire a classic book by a Marxist peacenik, Gabriel Kolko, called "The Triumph of Conservatism". My liberal friends never read it, but the first half in particular is an excellent analysis of Laissez Faire in the gilded age and the myths about it generated by Progressives.

    utu exaggerates, but he is mostly right.

    When I was in college, people said libertarians were either republicans who wanted to get laid or republicans who wanted to smoke dope. These are actually pretty insightful descriptions. Libertarians (the non-druggie ones) seem mostly to be people who want a reliable, formal, and moralistic intellectual structure through which to see the world but who reject the one the historical West offers because it isn’t socially approved (and thus will interfere with getting laid—at least in their minds). They want this moralistic structure while simultaneously they want to embrace the Satanists’/Cultural Marxists’ “do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.” Not noticing that this makes no sense, they decide that “freedom” must be the touchstone of the true morality (which they can’t actually call the true morality most of the time, since, you know, it’s wrong to impose your morality blah blah blah).

    The people libertarianism sticks with longer term tend to have problems similar to those of autists—and, of course, the resemblance of libertarians to autists is much commented upon. The salient ones here are 1) a need for structure and 2) a terrible failure to understand their own motivations and needs. My views are not the consequence of my psychological limitations and shallow emotional reactions! I was convinced by arguments! The fact that my arguments are only convincing to a small minority of (white) teenage boys just proves that teenage boys are the only rational people on earth! Or something! Leave me alone! Ad hominem fallacy! Can’t you see I just need to be left alone to reason!! Leave me alone! Lots of engineer libertarians. Lots of economist libertarians. But I already said autist twice.

    Shorter Bill: Take a good, hard look at David Friedman and Bryan Caplan.

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    "My views are not the consequence of my psychological limitations and shallow emotional reactions! I was convinced by arguments!"

    Good point. I would add that one should look into the nature of this libertarian argument. It has quasi-mathematical consistency and clarity: competition-->minimizes prices and costs and that's why is attractive. But on one mathematical principle one can't physics or mathematics and they think they could build all economics and psychology.

    It would interesting too look what kind of young people are attracted to Anarchism as opposed to Libertarianism. Is it random or there is something in genes?

    Bottom line, in my opinion, Libertarianism is a pro system ideology that is targeting youth to prepare them for affirmation of capitalism in the future and be the future cadre of the System. Its purpose is pretty similar like Komsomol in Soviet Union. I would not be surprised there are some shady forces behind the promotion of Ayn Rand, von Mises, Rothbard, etc. Money is necessary for any movement regardless of how many useful idiots are willing to do it for free.

  81. I had an old neighbor, immigrant from Russia, served as a conscript for two years in the Russian air Force, would drone on for as long as you let him about Russian military prowess, really couldn’t understand American military, bad or good, to save his life. His name was Viktor.
    That you Viktor?
    Cool gig you got.
    Who knew you could turn those rants into a following. Admirable, in a way.

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  82. @Bill
    Perhaps because he is not infected with terminal methodological individualism?

    With that freedom he could generously spread the blame and given Chelsea and Monica places under the lights with Hillary, Bill grinning wickedly in the background.

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    Chelsea was a little young to be party to a conspiracy during the Clinton administration, but, yes, it's hard to see why she shouldn't inherit blame now to the extent that she is a participant in the Clinton crime family's activities and since she is an adult now.

    It's pretty typical to spread blame for a conspiracy's wrongful acts among its members. What, exactly, is your problem with this?
  83. CMC says:
    @Chaban
    Poor Faker.

    Been predicting an imminent U.S. collapse for what? a decade now?

    Said Ukraine was about to implode three or four years ago.

    These days he's trying to cheer up his readers, but he knows it's all over.

    The U.S. just decided to move beyond the propaganda war as Russia, I think it is fair to say, was winning on that front.

    But now it's over. Faker knows there is absolutely nothing Russia can do militarily against the West. I mean, we are talking about ALL the most powerful nations on earth combined here.

    Yeah, he can talk all he wants about Napoleon and the Third Reich, but the coalition now about to destroy Russia will not have to constantly worry about its western flank like others did. And Russia will not be supplied by a constant flow of tens of thousands of pieces of military hardware like in the 40s.

    Faker is suuuuch a good analyst that he was all excited, just like his followers, when Trump was elected. Those people truly believed that you could beat the system at its own game. So gullible! It was so bad that I left a couple messages on his blog (or on here, I can't remember), saying that Trump was meant to have Putin lower his guard, just like Obama was meant to have the Arab leaders drop their guards, and that Russia was in for a big surprise. Of course all the Faker groupies laughed me off... The "battle" that you saw between Trump and the establishment was just WWF meant to confuse the Russian leadership. Everyone was sooo focused on that. Suckers!

    As though, the chain of events of the last couple weeks had not been planned for weeks, months even. The Faker groupies are now grasping at straws (Ivanka, baby pictures, etc.) They cannot admit they've been had.

    As for the Faker, who knows Russia is screwed, he is left begging for China to do something. Only thing is, China is the U.S.'s bitch and their troop movements right now prove it.

    Finally, the U.S. totally took Russia and its leaders by surprise with the strike last week and now they are completely humiliating them by sending their Secretary of State to Moscow to rub it in. After such a slap in the face, a powerful nation would have turned down the visit. Do you actually think Russia could hit U.S. interests and send Lavrov to Washington a few days later?

    Now Lavrov and Tillerson have been going at it ALL DAY... meaning there are heavy negotiations going on. And that means Russia is in a position of weakness. They are doing everything they can to save face. There is nothing they can do. Faker knows it. All (real) military analysts know it. Of course Russia's nuclear arsenal, if it's still functioning properly, could be their trump card, but there is no way they would go there.

    And finally, I think China will turn on Russia. Mark my words. You've read it first.

    And all of Kiza's ad hominem attacks cannot change a thing about all this.

    China will turn on Russia.

    What about the One Road-One Rail project? Any effect on this? Will China just tell Russia they can’t help them in Syria –but the lack of support should have nothing to do with, and changes nothing about, their joint road-rail-port projects? China just plays for time and tells Russia they have to take a deal?

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  84. Bill says:
    @Kiza
    I usually like your comments, but this one is an absolute disaster. You are totally blinded by your own ideology.

    OK, so the free market proponents claim that "monopolies are always state created, not market created, at least over time" and you find fault with this, whilst as the next thing you accept that the airliner manufacturing duopoly had to be (EU) state created, over 17 years. If you were an economist, you would understand that the difference between a monopoly and duopoly is only a couple of letters. Duopoly is not a free market, almost as much as monopoly is not a free market. With just a little bit of signaling between only two market players, the market becomes as cornered as in a monopoly. Your misunderstanding of the free market is that you can imagine only black or white, whilst the market situation can be many shades of gray. The law of the market is: the more players in the market the more difficult the signalling (collusion) between players. But in some special situations, even for example 10 market players could be colluding, this can be the case in some mature markets where the market players exchange staff which makes collusion easier.

    It is not the market which drove out McDonnel-Douglas and Lockheed. MCD failed due to mismanagement (OK that is partly due to the market punishing mismanagement exhibited by airliners falling out of the sky), but Lockheed turned to a much more lucrative MIC, which is a prototypical monopoly-hugging government-business (oxymoron) domain, and acquired several other military contractors to strengthen its monopolistic position in this domain. Soon after this monopoly position was established, the biggest disaster in the US military development history so far ensued - F35.

    Finally, similarly, you interpret the illegal signalling (collusion) between Silicon Valley companies as failure of the free market. But a free market can fail only if it exists, the labor market in Silicon Valley is not free if there is signalling between companies on labor costs.

    The free market proponents accept an inclination of the market players towards collusion (better screw customers instead of competing) but make it illegal. Even then, it is not the state which should regulate markets and prevent collusion then a market authority established by the free market players and enforced by courts free of government interference. But, ultimately, the best court is the court of public opinion, as in the case of United Airlines physical abuse of a Chinese national one one of their flights.

    Finally, similarly, you interpret the illegal signalling (collusion) between Silicon Valley companies as failure of the free market. But a free market can fail only if it exists, the labor market in Silicon Valley is not free if there is signalling between companies on labor costs.

    Do you really fail to see the No True Scotsman fallacy here? Do you similarly accept the argument of the anarcho-socialists that socialism hasn’t really failed because “real socialism” hasn’t been tried?

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    • Agree: utu, reiner Tor
    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    Why would anti-war-anarcho-scocialist economically populist Native Born White American Racial Patriotism-Racial Xenophobia be such a bad idea? This was the direction the US Labor Movement was rapidly moving towards during the late 19th century-pre-WW2 AS an alternative to narcissistic-treasonous Trump-Kushner-Clinton rule...The White Greedy Cheating Class fought back with the anti-commie crusade...which was a direct road to the passage of the 1965 Native Born White American Extermination Act....and imminent thermonuclear war with Christian Russia in 2017...The month of Easter...


    Anarcho-capitalism is such an obviously inherently evil idea...
  85. Aedib says:
    @Chaban
    Poor Faker.

    Been predicting an imminent U.S. collapse for what? a decade now?

    Said Ukraine was about to implode three or four years ago.

    These days he's trying to cheer up his readers, but he knows it's all over.

    The U.S. just decided to move beyond the propaganda war as Russia, I think it is fair to say, was winning on that front.

    But now it's over. Faker knows there is absolutely nothing Russia can do militarily against the West. I mean, we are talking about ALL the most powerful nations on earth combined here.

    Yeah, he can talk all he wants about Napoleon and the Third Reich, but the coalition now about to destroy Russia will not have to constantly worry about its western flank like others did. And Russia will not be supplied by a constant flow of tens of thousands of pieces of military hardware like in the 40s.

    Faker is suuuuch a good analyst that he was all excited, just like his followers, when Trump was elected. Those people truly believed that you could beat the system at its own game. So gullible! It was so bad that I left a couple messages on his blog (or on here, I can't remember), saying that Trump was meant to have Putin lower his guard, just like Obama was meant to have the Arab leaders drop their guards, and that Russia was in for a big surprise. Of course all the Faker groupies laughed me off... The "battle" that you saw between Trump and the establishment was just WWF meant to confuse the Russian leadership. Everyone was sooo focused on that. Suckers!

    As though, the chain of events of the last couple weeks had not been planned for weeks, months even. The Faker groupies are now grasping at straws (Ivanka, baby pictures, etc.) They cannot admit they've been had.

    As for the Faker, who knows Russia is screwed, he is left begging for China to do something. Only thing is, China is the U.S.'s bitch and their troop movements right now prove it.

    Finally, the U.S. totally took Russia and its leaders by surprise with the strike last week and now they are completely humiliating them by sending their Secretary of State to Moscow to rub it in. After such a slap in the face, a powerful nation would have turned down the visit. Do you actually think Russia could hit U.S. interests and send Lavrov to Washington a few days later?

    Now Lavrov and Tillerson have been going at it ALL DAY... meaning there are heavy negotiations going on. And that means Russia is in a position of weakness. They are doing everything they can to save face. There is nothing they can do. Faker knows it. All (real) military analysts know it. Of course Russia's nuclear arsenal, if it's still functioning properly, could be their trump card, but there is no way they would go there.

    And finally, I think China will turn on Russia. Mark my words. You've read it first.

    And all of Kiza's ad hominem attacks cannot change a thing about all this.

    Quote

    November 15, 2015 at 5:23 pm GMT
    The Faker… way off the mark. Again!

    Breaking news: Obama and Putin just reached an agreement on political transition in Syria.

    End Quote

    Boy, try to not delude yourself

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    And who tells you they did not and that it was not part of this entire deception?

    In the meantime, I will wait for you to compile all of Faker's quotes on the imminent collapse of the U.S. in the last ten years or so.

    By the way the Faker truly puts his money where his mouth is: he lives in Florida.
  86. Chaban says:
    @Aedib
    Quote
    @Chaban

    November 15, 2015 at 5:23 pm GMT
    The Faker… way off the mark. Again!

    Breaking news: Obama and Putin just reached an agreement on political transition in Syria.

    End Quote

    Boy, try to not delude yourself

    And who tells you they did not and that it was not part of this entire deception?

    In the meantime, I will wait for you to compile all of Faker’s quotes on the imminent collapse of the U.S. in the last ten years or so.

    By the way the Faker truly puts his money where his mouth is: he lives in Florida.

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    And who tells you they did not and that it was not part of this entire deception?

    Conspiranoia again
    , @War for Blair Mountain
    The US will collapse right after the 2020 POTUS ELECTION when the voting population openly unapologetically votes along racial lines...And when when you throw in a Mega-drought...wage slave employment for Native Born White American Males...a Hindu-Chinese Overlord Class in California taunting Native Born White American Males...

    US Military intervention in the Middle East and US Military excercises right on Christian Russia's borders is last ditch effort of the treaonous GREEDY CHEATING WHITE LIBERAL MEGA CEO ELITES to keep the phony-MUH MERICA-support-the-troops!! corpse going.

    The US is going to break up along racial national boundaries...and then a race war begins....
  87. @Bill

    Finally, similarly, you interpret the illegal signalling (collusion) between Silicon Valley companies as failure of the free market. But a free market can fail only if it exists, the labor market in Silicon Valley is not free if there is signalling between companies on labor costs.
     
    Do you really fail to see the No True Scotsman fallacy here? Do you similarly accept the argument of the anarcho-socialists that socialism hasn't really failed because "real socialism" hasn't been tried?

    Why would anti-war-anarcho-scocialist economically populist Native Born White American Racial Patriotism-Racial Xenophobia be such a bad idea? This was the direction the US Labor Movement was rapidly moving towards during the late 19th century-pre-WW2 AS an alternative to narcissistic-treasonous Trump-Kushner-Clinton rule…The White Greedy Cheating Class fought back with the anti-commie crusade…which was a direct road to the passage of the 1965 Native Born White American Extermination Act….and imminent thermonuclear war with Christian Russia in 2017…The month of Easter…

    Anarcho-capitalism is such an obviously inherently evil idea…

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  88. @mp
    My guess (for what it's worth) is that this operation was planned a long time ago, with the expectation that Hillary would be president, and it would be a done deal. Then, when that didn't happen, the so-called Deep State leaned on Trump through his son in law and daughter. Why Trump caved is anyone's guess. Obviously Trump is not concerned about "gassed babies." The fact that anyone takes it seriously shows just how pathetic the national political discourse is.

    It's almost funny, at this stage of the game. The latest--the WH spokesman talking about Syrian Hitler(TM) by attempting to out-Hitler(TM) the real Hitler(TM), but winding up in an "anti-Semitic" recursive loop.

    Very good comment. Trump’s reaction could have been anticipated. Trump needed to put an end to that idiotic Congressional investigation, that was heavy burden on his presidency.

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  89. Aedib says:
    @Chaban
    And who tells you they did not and that it was not part of this entire deception?

    In the meantime, I will wait for you to compile all of Faker's quotes on the imminent collapse of the U.S. in the last ten years or so.

    By the way the Faker truly puts his money where his mouth is: he lives in Florida.

    And who tells you they did not and that it was not part of this entire deception?

    Conspiranoia again

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  90. @Mao Cheng Ji

    What do you know about Soviet Union to post this?
     
    Quite a bit actually.

    Stick to something you know because to me you sound like Jack of all trades and master in no.
     
    Well, since you're giving me a personal advice, I hope you'll accept one from me too: calm down and try to avoid acting like an asshole, especially for no good reason.

    Quite a bit? That does not sound like much to me.

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    So what was his big mistake about the USSR? Did the Soviets elite in fact struggle to maintain it after 1991?
    , @Zzz
    He sound correct enough.
  91. @Chaban
    And who tells you they did not and that it was not part of this entire deception?

    In the meantime, I will wait for you to compile all of Faker's quotes on the imminent collapse of the U.S. in the last ten years or so.

    By the way the Faker truly puts his money where his mouth is: he lives in Florida.

    The US will collapse right after the 2020 POTUS ELECTION when the voting population openly unapologetically votes along racial lines…And when when you throw in a Mega-drought…wage slave employment for Native Born White American Males…a Hindu-Chinese Overlord Class in California taunting Native Born White American Males…

    US Military intervention in the Middle East and US Military excercises right on Christian Russia’s borders is last ditch effort of the treaonous GREEDY CHEATING WHITE LIBERAL MEGA CEO ELITES to keep the phony-MUH MERICA-support-the-troops!! corpse going.

    The US is going to break up along racial national boundaries…and then a race war begins….

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  92. Agent76 says:

    April 07, 2017 Pentagon Trained Syria’s Al Qaeda “Rebels” in the Use of Chemical Weapons

    The Western media refutes their own lies.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/pentagon-trained-syrias-al-qaeda-rebels-in-the-use-of-chemical-weapons/5583784

    Sep 11, 2011 General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned – Seven Countries In Five Years

    “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” I said, “Is it classified?” He said, “Yes, sir.” I said, “Well, don’t show it to me.” And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, “You remember that?” He said, “Sir, I didn’t show you that memo! I didn’t show it to you!”

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    Hi Agent 76,

    I remember very well when Wesley Clark spilled the beans on the entire neocon agenda...it seems so long ago...yet everything he stated has coming to pass...

    Out of curiosity, what are the steps you take to post a you tube video on Unz.com ?
  93. I enjoyed your article but it doesn’t read smoothly because there are so
    many grammatical errors.

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  94. “whose general population seems to be totally indifferent to the fact that their elected representatives act in a completely illegal manner.”

    Wrong.

    It’s not that we don’t care. It’s that we’re utterly powerless to stop this sort of thing and have been for many decades.

    Elections don’t help. Representatives don’t represent us. Only the gun MIGHT change something. And, no one should be confused about what the U.S. government would do to revolutionaries…it ain’t pretty.

    We are along for the ride whether we like it or not.

    LF

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  95. Amanda says:
    @Ghost
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLylpRn9uXQ

    Thank you so very much for posting. My heart goes out to the brave people of Syria.

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  96. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    I am truly embarrassed that I supported Trump and voted for him while operating under the delusion that he was man enough to stand up to the Zionist, neocon, Israeli agents that currently run the USA. I will never make this mistake again.

    I am ashamed for my country. Most of its leaders are bumbling buffoons who have sold their souls to their Israeli masters. I cannot understand why any independent republic would have anything further to do with the putrid government of the USA.

    I recently discovered that I am legally entitled to citizenship in another country. I am formalizing that now and when I acquire that country’s passport I am planning on leaving this pathetic rump province of Israel that calls itself the USA. It is sad that a great people are under the yoke of their corrupt federal government and its Israeli masters. I can only hope that for this oppressed people a day of reckoning and cleansing is at hand.

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    I am ashamed for my country. Most of its leaders are bumbling buffoons who have sold their souls to their Israeli masters
     
    I hear ya, but please keep in mind that it's no different across the pond, where all of Europe is also under the thrall of the Fiend. If Germany or France or Sweden were the sole superpower, then it'd be their leader terrorizing the planet and lecturing the world on why false flag attacks have to be responded to.

    The rot and corruption is very pervasive, and it boils down to them vs. us. Meaning the ZioFiend and its whore governments spread all across the Glob, vs. the seven billion + souls suffering their Orwellian intentions of turning us all into Palestinians / Kulaks / Winston Smith.

    http://images.zattic.com/system/images/a838/11f3/cc65/6ece/e9ef/format_480x360.jpg

    there are some very ugly things that lurk in the human id, and what the world is witnessing is the human/baboon lust for total power over other people unleashed with old testament, genocidal fanaticism

  97. Rurik says:

    excellent article!

    kudos sir, and thank you Ron Unz and Saker

    This is almost Shakespearean in its pathetic and tragic aspects!

    well said

    shame for Europe: a small and poor country like Bolivia showed more dignity that the entire European continent.

    yep

    that Bolivian guy holding up that particular picture says it all

    that there are so few who show such nads just goes to show the breath of Rothschild’s nefarious tentacles

    Russia is in a very difficult situation and a very bad one. And she is very much alone

    cue Rurik’s tiresome mantra that Putin seek rapprochement with Eastern Europe by simply toning down the May Day belligerence. And stop demanding that all of Eastern Europe who fought against the Red Army rapists were genocidal fascists and Nazis. (they weren’t ; )

    Could President Pence be better than President Trump?

    No!

    as bad as Trump is seeming to be, Pence is an ambitious, unprincipled evangelical = End Times

    Hopefully this time it will be the last empire in history and mankind will have learned its lesson

    yea, right

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  98. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Successful gas attack to execute is not so easy as people imagine. Air velocity and direction as well as a dispersion velocity of poisonous gas are critical. This can be determined by person in near proximity of area of attack. It cannot be determined from miles away. Success of dropping a one barrel bomb filled with gas is practically zero. Efficient delivery of canisters with poison was only practiced by artillery shells. All this gas attack is cooked up farce. Also somebody watching the scenes from injured indicate a staged action. People are stupid they believe they believe anything.

    I’ve had thoughts along the same lines. Preparing aeriel bombs with poison gas is very tricky, especially if you don’t have binary weapons. A whole lot of people in chemical warfare suits at an airbase would be very difficult to hide. As you note, most gas in WWI was delivered by artillery, mostly because to be effective you have to keep delivering it to the target as the wind disperses it. (I think Central European Soviet invasion Cold War scenarios contemplated gas but I’m not sure about the contemplated means of delivery–some of it might have been by air.) So I think that the likelihood that this was an aeriel bomb delivered poison gas attack is close to zero.

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  99. utu says:
    @Bill
    utu exaggerates, but he is mostly right.

    When I was in college, people said libertarians were either republicans who wanted to get laid or republicans who wanted to smoke dope. These are actually pretty insightful descriptions. Libertarians (the non-druggie ones) seem mostly to be people who want a reliable, formal, and moralistic intellectual structure through which to see the world but who reject the one the historical West offers because it isn't socially approved (and thus will interfere with getting laid---at least in their minds). They want this moralistic structure while simultaneously they want to embrace the Satanists'/Cultural Marxists' "do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law." Not noticing that this makes no sense, they decide that "freedom" must be the touchstone of the true morality (which they can't actually call the true morality most of the time, since, you know, it's wrong to impose your morality blah blah blah).

    The people libertarianism sticks with longer term tend to have problems similar to those of autists---and, of course, the resemblance of libertarians to autists is much commented upon. The salient ones here are 1) a need for structure and 2) a terrible failure to understand their own motivations and needs. My views are not the consequence of my psychological limitations and shallow emotional reactions! I was convinced by arguments! The fact that my arguments are only convincing to a small minority of (white) teenage boys just proves that teenage boys are the only rational people on earth! Or something! Leave me alone! Ad hominem fallacy! Can't you see I just need to be left alone to reason!! Leave me alone! Lots of engineer libertarians. Lots of economist libertarians. But I already said autist twice.

    Shorter Bill: Take a good, hard look at David Friedman and Bryan Caplan.

    “My views are not the consequence of my psychological limitations and shallow emotional reactions! I was convinced by arguments!”

    Good point. I would add that one should look into the nature of this libertarian argument. It has quasi-mathematical consistency and clarity: competition–>minimizes prices and costs and that’s why is attractive. But on one mathematical principle one can’t physics or mathematics and they think they could build all economics and psychology.

    It would interesting too look what kind of young people are attracted to Anarchism as opposed to Libertarianism. Is it random or there is something in genes?

    Bottom line, in my opinion, Libertarianism is a pro system ideology that is targeting youth to prepare them for affirmation of capitalism in the future and be the future cadre of the System. Its purpose is pretty similar like Komsomol in Soviet Union. I would not be surprised there are some shady forces behind the promotion of Ayn Rand, von Mises, Rothbard, etc. Money is necessary for any movement regardless of how many useful idiots are willing to do it for free.

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    Bottom line, in my opinion, Libertarianism is a pro system ideology that is targeting youth to prepare them for affirmation of capitalism in the future
     
    If it were true, libertarianism would be pushed by the media 24/7. It is just another Western failed ideology, together with Marxism, Nazism, nationalism and now upcoming "HBDism".
  100. There has now accumulated a substantial body of thought which seeks to attribute Trump’s missile attack on Syria in ways that suggest that he and his administration are, well, masterful in the art of politics and international relations and that there exists a thoughtful but malodorous scheme in Trump’s mind which led to the missile strike.

    That is not my belief at all.

    I believe that he’s a man-child with aggressively progressing dementia and that his daughter, Ivanka and her husband, easily manipulated him to conduct this strike.

    There’s no need for fancy theories of intrigue to explain his actions. Mentally, there’s just no “there” there.

    Honestly, I wish I believed that he was in some way artful politically and had a well-thought-0ut geopolitical strategy in mind. But I’m of the opinion that such well-thought-out strategies are completely beyond his mental capacity.

    LF

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    " he’s a man-child with aggressively progressing dementia and that his daughter, Ivanka and her husband, easily manipulated him"
     
    Good hypothesis.
    , @MarkinPNW
    Statins?
  101. gwynedd1 says:

    If North Korea can survive this long, I think Russia can. Russia is not completely isolated. She still has Belarus, Serbia , China, Iran other former SSRs like Kazakhstan etc. She is also a rather large state. I would also not count on Greece or Bulgaria to be very excited about Russia’s demise.

    If Russia abandons Syria, it would only hasten its demise. Thus I would warn the West that Russia is fighting for its life while we are not. Russia will ripe out the steering wheel …

    Brace for more false flags. Not like I didn’t know this was coming.

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  102. alexander says:
    @Chaban
    Alexander,

    What you write may be all true, but that was not my point.

    You make a lot of noice, putting on that great "offended" act. But what are you going to do about all this? Nothing. You are absolutely powerless.

    You write: "This is America, buddy….IF you saying our “deceitful” war mongers should get a FREE RIDE BECAUSE THEY LIED ……"

    Seriously? It's been going on for over 240 years. And again, there is nothing you can do about it, despite all your grandiloquence.

    Chaban,

    When you look back in history to Ancient Greece or Rome,

    And you see when their GREAT leaders and generals went off to war…they would return victorious with untold SPOILS of war,… tons of gold, and silver…acquiring thousands of hectares of fertile land..for grazing livestock…or growing wheat and wine……They would return with a bounty a THOUSAND times more valuable than the cost of the expedition itself…and they were Heroes to EVERYBODY…because their success brought great wealth and power to their nation…One and All.

    But when they failed..and their expedition cost a THOUSAND times what their spoils yielded…they became villains…. because they brought nothing but shameful poverty to their country…and were probably fed to the lions.

    When leaders make wars for no other reason than to rob their OWN countrymen of their OWN money…They are not leaders at all…They are the foulest of traitors to their nation.

    And should be treated as such.

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  103. utu says:

    Hey Saker, You must get some help to clean up your articles or fire whoever is doing it for you now. You yourself fall in love with every one of your thoughts, this is common among writers, but in truth some of your thoughts are pretty lousy and stupid. Sometimes you have excellent insights like this one:

    Maybe an impeachment of Trump could prove to be a blessing in disguise. If Mike Pence becomes President, he and his Neocons will have total power again and they won’t have to prove that they are tough by doing stupid and dangerous things? Could President Pence be better than President Trump? I am afraid that it might. Especially if that triggers a deep internal crisis inside the USA.

    but then you are overcome by boyish phantasies of John Wayne and some character in a Russian movie. BTW, Saker, have you ever been to Russia?

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  104. Rurik says:
    @Anon
    I am truly embarrassed that I supported Trump and voted for him while operating under the delusion that he was man enough to stand up to the Zionist, neocon, Israeli agents that currently run the USA. I will never make this mistake again.

    I am ashamed for my country. Most of its leaders are bumbling buffoons who have sold their souls to their Israeli masters. I cannot understand why any independent republic would have anything further to do with the putrid government of the USA.

    I recently discovered that I am legally entitled to citizenship in another country. I am formalizing that now and when I acquire that country's passport I am planning on leaving this pathetic rump province of Israel that calls itself the USA. It is sad that a great people are under the yoke of their corrupt federal government and its Israeli masters. I can only hope that for this oppressed people a day of reckoning and cleansing is at hand.

    I am ashamed for my country. Most of its leaders are bumbling buffoons who have sold their souls to their Israeli masters

    I hear ya, but please keep in mind that it’s no different across the pond, where all of Europe is also under the thrall of the Fiend. If Germany or France or Sweden were the sole superpower, then it’d be their leader terrorizing the planet and lecturing the world on why false flag attacks have to be responded to.

    The rot and corruption is very pervasive, and it boils down to them vs. us. Meaning the ZioFiend and its whore governments spread all across the Glob, vs. the seven billion + souls suffering their Orwellian intentions of turning us all into Palestinians / Kulaks / Winston Smith.


    there are some very ugly things that lurk in the human id, and what the world is witnessing is the human/baboon lust for total power over other people unleashed with old testament, genocidal fanaticism

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  105. @War for Blair Mountain
    Why would anti-war-anarcho-scocialist economically populist Native Born White American Racial Patriotism-Racial Xenophobia be such a bad idea? This was the direction the US Labor Movement was rapidly moving towards during the late 19th century-pre-WW2 AS an alternative to narcissistic-treasonous Trump-Kushner-Clinton rule...The White Greedy Cheating Class fought back with the anti-commie crusade...which was a direct road to the passage of the 1965 Native Born White American Extermination Act....and imminent thermonuclear war with Christian Russia in 2017...The month of Easter...


    Anarcho-capitalism is such an obviously inherently evil idea...

    Whoa, that’s mouthful!

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  106. utu says:
    @Longfisher
    There has now accumulated a substantial body of thought which seeks to attribute Trump's missile attack on Syria in ways that suggest that he and his administration are, well, masterful in the art of politics and international relations and that there exists a thoughtful but malodorous scheme in Trump's mind which led to the missile strike.

    That is not my belief at all.

    I believe that he's a man-child with aggressively progressing dementia and that his daughter, Ivanka and her husband, easily manipulated him to conduct this strike.

    There's no need for fancy theories of intrigue to explain his actions. Mentally, there's just no "there" there.

    Honestly, I wish I believed that he was in some way artful politically and had a well-thought-0ut geopolitical strategy in mind. But I'm of the opinion that such well-thought-out strategies are completely beyond his mental capacity.

    LF

    ” he’s a man-child with aggressively progressing dementia and that his daughter, Ivanka and her husband, easily manipulated him”

    Good hypothesis.

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  107. @The Scalpel
    The information is coming out. Here's a defense intelligence agency officer spilling the beans about how the US knew there was no attack with chemical weapons. As I have said earlier this could be A clever way to impeach Trump.

    https://gosint.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/former-dia-colonel-us-strikes-on-a-syria-based-on-a-lie/

    Although I voted for the anti-Killary candidate, Trump, it would not concern me one bit if he was impeached now, in light of what appears to be his lunacy and dementia.

    LF

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  108. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @alexander
    Dear Saker,

    Thanks for a very thorough and almost breathtaking article....It covers an awful lot of ground in a very short amount of time.

    The schizophrenic nature of our policy "flip-flopping" is a sight to behold.

    I think statements made by our state department in regards to engagement in Syria at this time, underscore an enormous amount of tension within our government about what our goals should be, both long term, short term, and in between.

    There are a lot of policy makers who want us to smash the "brutal" Syrian regime.

    There are a lot of policy makers who want us to smash "despicable " ISIS, the nemesis of the "brutal" Syrian regime.

    In an ongoing civil war, where both sides may be evil, brutal, and ruthless, why should the US be picking a side at all ?

    Why not just stay out of the fray, let them duke it out, save our troops and tax dollars for what to do once there is a clearly defined outcome to the conflict ?

    If hurting ASSAD helps ISIS, and hurting ISIS helps ASSAD.....then any action we take favors at least one of our enemies and none of our friends....and probably gets a few more thousand innocent civilians dead.

    Restraint, at this time, is the smart play.....because there is NO upside to intervention.

    But ISIS was created by USA. The Redirection by Sy Hersh refocused the beam of light on that fact in 2007 . (New Yorker 2007 )
    RAND corporation has envisaged this grand plan of using Jihadist against anybody not toeing lines few years ago . Both are borrowing heavily form American playbook adopted against Soviet in 1979 Both are borrowing same pages from CIA ‘s 1980 document against Syria. Nothing new
    The new thing is some people do believe that IS showed up out of thin air

    Some believe that US can can sit back , not destroy IS and let IS fight Syria ( NYTimes.COM -Tom Friedman 4/12/17 )
    Some uses the opportunity to excoriate Islam ( Bill Maher Sam Harris )
    and all there are connected through the labyrinthine structure of the Government -Media- Lobby complex

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    That's interesting ,anon

    I find the entire mess a total disaster....and we should have never gotten involved militarily anywhere over there.

    I also find our pattern of behavior has created a new species of war...where the desired outcome is NO outcome at all....not ever......just more WAR....

    Take Libya , for example, we overthrow a milk toast dictator, which creates anarchy, chaos and a breeding ground for new terrorists...which we will ,one day soon, need to destroy..then we will install another dictator... who we will eventually "tomahawk"..... to create "more" terrorists....

    I do not find we have done ONE constructive thing anywhere we have dropped a bomb or ravaged a village .

    I really don't....... Do you ?

    who can argue, Syria , Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, and Libya have become BETTER places since we went in there ?

    Nobody.

    The decimation on human lives is just immense....and all we have to show for all this bloodshed and heartache is a monstrous 20 trillion dollar HOLE in our balance sheet.

    The greatest waste of taxpayer money in the entire history of western civilization.

    It is a very sad time for all of us...

    Whats worst of all is our "elites" seem almost pathologically addicted to killing people.....Like where does that come from ?

    Has anyone examined the roots of this rather perverse pathology ?

    Do our elites feel EMPOWERED when the hit the million dead number ?..... or when they can successfully false flag us into war ? is that the big rush ?

    Is this the "creme de la creme" of global power ? Like the finest "wine of war" or something ?

    Is it the ultimate high....like going 240 in your Ferrari around Le mans ?

    How surreal is it, that Donald Trump gets his BONA FIDES from our big media, for launching an unconstitutional strike against Syrians who, in all likelihood, were never participants in the crime for which they were tomahawked ?

    Is there a big "Ohh Baby" we did it .again !...YES !.......Sweeeet !!........ Is that it ?

    Can anyone explain this with some degree of sophistication ?
  109. Bird says:

    Saker; good article, but you need a proof-reader. Way too many typos.

    As long as the neocon Zionists are embedded in US affairs, there will be nothing but life-threatening trouble!

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  110. Olorin says:

    We better prepare ourselves for some very tough times ahead.

    You mean you aren’t in the habit of doing this always?

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  111. RobinG says:
    @Chaban
    Aaaawwww! A petition! So cute.

    You fucking hypocrite!

    First you scorn Alexander for being a hopeless keyboard whiner, then you mock anon for proposing that we assert our First Amendment rights.

    Clear, concise, and right on target, this petition directly supports Syrian sovereignty, Tulsi Gabbard’s bill, and Americans’ interests. [N.B. That's the interests of Americans, not the hegemonic intentions of our elite Deep State.]

    To scoffers and nay-sayers -

    It’s no skin off your ass:
    It costs nothing
    It takes little time ( less time than to complain about ineffectual clicktivism)

    While org. petitions are often mainly to boost their mailing lists,
    this will be seen by the administration and the public

    YES, PLEASE SIGN AND SHARE –

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/cease-military-intervention-and-involvement-syria

    “US support of Syrian rebel factions has enlarged and intensified the conflict to the detriment of Syrian civilians. An escalation of hostilities with the Syrian Government risks a broader regional war including confrontation with Russia. This conflict is not in the interest of the American people and further, military strikes against a sovereign nation without a declaration of war is a war crime under international law, and in violation of the Constitution. Immediately cease all hostilities against the Syrian Government including airstrikes and the equipping and training of Syrian rebels.”

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/cease-military-intervention-and-involvement-syria

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    • Replies: @Chaban
    Are you for real? I'm sorry. Tough to wake up to reality when you've lived your whole life in that unicorn fairyland of "free speech" and "muh The Constitution!" that they drill into your head as soon as you can walk. Did you truly believe you had a voice?
    It's sad really.
    , @iffen
    If I sign your petition, can you assure me that a Zionist controlled Deep State death squad is not going to show up looking for me?

    I'm thinking about signing, just need a little confidence building that it's safe.
    , @iffen
    I was not familiar with this WH petition site.

    It seems to me that a petition could (would) be "tainted" by the first 150 signers and any connections among them. Do you know where the 1st 150 signers came from?
  112. @Kiza
    There are three possible reasons why some Tomahawks disappeared:
    1) they failed
    2) they were shot down
    3) they were jammed.

    The Tomahawks were launched in a barrage on purpose and this is why some got through whatever the Russians threw at them. The missiles were numerous and they were probably programmed to take different routes to the target, therefore it was impossible to stop all of them with limitted air defence (anti-missile or jamming) resources available in a foreign country. Whatever the Russians used, they could apply the same on a much bigger scale over Russia against nuclear tipped US missiles.

    But Saker's description of the reliability of the Raytheon's missiles is borderline silly, it reminds me of the old Saker weapons specification aficionado. Raytheon is one of the most marketing oriented MIC company in the World. Saker should recall the stories of the capabilities of the Raytheon's Patriot system defending Israel against Saddam's Scuds. They claimed the shootdown rate of about 99%, whilst in reality it was about 8%, if I remember correctly. Pure, refined bull. Does Saker think that only Lockeed Martin Co is capable of stuffing up? Admitdly LM stuffed up the development, but is it not equally possible to stuff up a series of missiles in production? The principle of irresponsibility with the tax payers money is the same.

    Finally, I fail to understand the logic that Russia would strictly respect an agreement with a country which never respects any agreement, a country which used the self-declared position of a Russian SU24 to organise its shoot-down by a couple of NATO countries, using two Turkish figher jets. Also, is it not true that the International law overrides any bilateral agreement? It is almost like saying - the US launched a First Nuclear Strike on China and Russia, but Russia will still respect an agreement with US. In other words, when someone does aggression, all agreements fall by the wayside. On top, why would the Russian air defence in Syria not try to battle test S400 and thus increase its value on the international armaments market by battle proving it? One does not get such opportunity very often, if the Russians missed it then they are crazy.

    In summary, all three options are possible. In terms of probability, I would select a combination of shooting down and jamming as more likely, but with a possible contribution of failures. I believe that the Russian military will eventually leak what actually happened with the missing Tomahawks, probably within a year.

    In summary, all three options are possible

    No. There is literally 0 chance that crappy Russian tech could have shot down or jammed Tomahawks. The Saker and the crew here of gay Russian fanboys understand absolutely nothing about military matters.

    Also note that Trump’s approval numbers haven’t dipped at all from the attack. The American public doesn’t care what happens in Syria and nothing you say will ever change that.

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    • Replies: @Avery
    {Also note that Trump’s approval numbers haven’t dipped at all from the attack}

    As a rule, when POTUS kills innocent people overseas - Ayrabs, 'towelheads', and such - POTUS approval rating shoots up.
    Fact that Trump approval rating flatlined means his base does not approve.

    {crappy Russian tech }

    Russian Kalibr cruise missiles launched from Caspian Sea had a 99%+ hit rate. They pulverized your cannibal ISIS buddies.

    At best, whether due to Russian ECM or poor performance, US Tomahawk hit rate was at best 50%: whose crappy tech again ?


    {The Saker and the crew here of gay Russian fanboys understand absolutely nothing about military matters.}

    And _you_ do ?

  113. Ram says:

    For Trump to describe Al Assad as an is reprehensible, when the gas attack was a false flag event. I am sure he should be reminded that Churchill gassed Iraqis in the 1920s, aand the latte r is a hero to him whose bust he keeps in the Oval Office.

    Blaming the Russians of complicity is beyond the pale,

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  114. Chaban says:
    @RobinG
    You fucking hypocrite!

    First you scorn Alexander for being a hopeless keyboard whiner, then you mock anon for proposing that we assert our First Amendment rights.

    Clear, concise, and right on target, this petition directly supports Syrian sovereignty, Tulsi Gabbard's bill, and Americans' interests. [N.B. That's the interests of Americans, not the hegemonic intentions of our elite Deep State.]

    To scoffers and nay-sayers -

    It's no skin off your ass:
    It costs nothing
    It takes little time ( less time than to complain about ineffectual clicktivism)

    While org. petitions are often mainly to boost their mailing lists,
    this will be seen by the administration and the public
     
    YES, PLEASE SIGN AND SHARE -
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/cease-military-intervention-and-involvement-syria

    "US support of Syrian rebel factions has enlarged and intensified the conflict to the detriment of Syrian civilians. An escalation of hostilities with the Syrian Government risks a broader regional war including confrontation with Russia. This conflict is not in the interest of the American people and further, military strikes against a sovereign nation without a declaration of war is a war crime under international law, and in violation of the Constitution. Immediately cease all hostilities against the Syrian Government including airstrikes and the equipping and training of Syrian rebels."

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/cease-military-intervention-and-involvement-syria

    Are you for real? I’m sorry. Tough to wake up to reality when you’ve lived your whole life in that unicorn fairyland of “free speech” and “muh The Constitution!” that they drill into your head as soon as you can walk. Did you truly believe you had a voice?
    It’s sad really.

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  115. iffen says:
    @RobinG
    You fucking hypocrite!

    First you scorn Alexander for being a hopeless keyboard whiner, then you mock anon for proposing that we assert our First Amendment rights.

    Clear, concise, and right on target, this petition directly supports Syrian sovereignty, Tulsi Gabbard's bill, and Americans' interests. [N.B. That's the interests of Americans, not the hegemonic intentions of our elite Deep State.]

    To scoffers and nay-sayers -

    It's no skin off your ass:
    It costs nothing
    It takes little time ( less time than to complain about ineffectual clicktivism)

    While org. petitions are often mainly to boost their mailing lists,
    this will be seen by the administration and the public
     
    YES, PLEASE SIGN AND SHARE -
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/cease-military-intervention-and-involvement-syria

    "US support of Syrian rebel factions has enlarged and intensified the conflict to the detriment of Syrian civilians. An escalation of hostilities with the Syrian Government risks a broader regional war including confrontation with Russia. This conflict is not in the interest of the American people and further, military strikes against a sovereign nation without a declaration of war is a war crime under international law, and in violation of the Constitution. Immediately cease all hostilities against the Syrian Government including airstrikes and the equipping and training of Syrian rebels."

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/cease-military-intervention-and-involvement-syria

    If I sign your petition, can you assure me that a Zionist controlled Deep State death squad is not going to show up looking for me?

    I’m thinking about signing, just need a little confidence building that it’s safe.

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  116. Cyrano says:
    @Sergey Krieger
    Sacker greatly underestimates Russia and overestimates China. I would say that Chinese should not be trusted and no one should expect them to be savior's. It is not in their national psych which is merchantelistic and self serving. They will do only what they consider is good for their long term stability as IMHO China has major issues which if not treated carefully might undermine China stability or worse. Hence I do not believe Russia can expect much from China.

    I agree with you on this one. China only cares about itself. Which is maybe a good thing. They’ll never try to rule the world just for the prestige that it will give them. China is not a natural ally of Russia. Japan is, but they are not a free country, and they are not able to make alliances that will suit them. I don’t think Russia trusts China, and I don’t think they should. There won’t be any help coming from China, particularly not a military one.

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  117. iffen says:
    @RobinG
    You fucking hypocrite!

    First you scorn Alexander for being a hopeless keyboard whiner, then you mock anon for proposing that we assert our First Amendment rights.

    Clear, concise, and right on target, this petition directly supports Syrian sovereignty, Tulsi Gabbard's bill, and Americans' interests. [N.B. That's the interests of Americans, not the hegemonic intentions of our elite Deep State.]

    To scoffers and nay-sayers -

    It's no skin off your ass:
    It costs nothing
    It takes little time ( less time than to complain about ineffectual clicktivism)

    While org. petitions are often mainly to boost their mailing lists,
    this will be seen by the administration and the public
     
    YES, PLEASE SIGN AND SHARE -
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/cease-military-intervention-and-involvement-syria

    "US support of Syrian rebel factions has enlarged and intensified the conflict to the detriment of Syrian civilians. An escalation of hostilities with the Syrian Government risks a broader regional war including confrontation with Russia. This conflict is not in the interest of the American people and further, military strikes against a sovereign nation without a declaration of war is a war crime under international law, and in violation of the Constitution. Immediately cease all hostilities against the Syrian Government including airstrikes and the equipping and training of Syrian rebels."

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/cease-military-intervention-and-involvement-syria

    I was not familiar with this WH petition site.

    It seems to me that a petition could (would) be “tainted” by the first 150 signers and any connections among them. Do you know where the 1st 150 signers came from?

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    • Replies: @RobinG
    Good chance to explain "For the People," the WH petition site.

    It's anonymous, so nobody knows (except some WH geeks, I guess, and the NSA of course), who are the first 150 signers. Unlike private (NGO, whatever) petitions that try to get prominent figures to sign first, the White House petitions are started by individuals only known by their initials. I.E., no taint.
    (Some years ago, they would post the initials of all the signers, along with their states of residence. I thought that was kind of cool, and I could verify my own signature even though no one else could. But they stopped that under Obama. Now, they only show the initials of the creator and the total number of signers.)

    The Official Response. There are thresholds, (the rules may not be the same as when I first reviewed them), so many thousands to be archived on the site, and for 100,000 signatures there will be an official response from the President. While a few things have been successful, the usual answer is "Sorry..." but even so, it means they have to notice, and they are well aware what resistance there is to going on record about an issue like this.

    Any other questions? Who is S.M.? I'd like to know. This is so well written, to the point, nothing extraneous or unnecessarily controversial.

    "US support of Syrian rebel factions has enlarged and intensified the conflict to the detriment of Syrian civilians. An escalation of hostilities with the Syrian Government risks a broader regional war including confrontation with Russia. This conflict is not in the interest of the American people and further, military strikes against a sovereign nation without a declaration of war is a war crime under international law, and in violation of the Constitution. Immediately cease all hostilities against the Syrian Government including airstrikes and the equipping and training of Syrian rebels."

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/cease-military-intervention-and-involvement-syria
  118. Art says:

    The Syria gas attack (false flag or not) was an unfortunate event – the retaliatory missile attack is another matter.

    Looks like the Trump cruise missile attack on Syria was pure political genius. Was it intended – was it planned out? Who knows – but it was effective. It changed the political landscape in America. It has totally upended the “Russia/Trump traitor cabal” scenario of the Jew MSM. The media are still trying to pump the story, but it is falling on death ears.

    One could suspect that the left will try to keep it going, just to blunt the Obama/Rice election spying investigation. The Democrats will stop the Russia election meddling charge, if the Republicans will stop the Obama/Rice domestic spying investigation. The American people want neither.

    The political story that is not being reported is the role that Ivanka Kushner played in her father’s decision to attack. She is a neoliberal, steeped in the NY Jew political agenda. There is no one more important to daddy Trump then Ivanka. He trusts her politically. She wants daddy to go mainstream. Understand that and you will understand where the administration politics are going.

    Make no mistake – Ivanka is the power behind the throne. She is the political story of the Trump era.

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    Art goes: "Looks like the Trump cruise missile attack on Syria was pure political genius. Was it intended – was it planned out? Who knows – but it was effective. It changed the political landscape in America."

    Sigh. Art, what this imbecile, this war criminal, Trump, has done, is painted himself into a corner.
    He's surrendered in 3 months, worse than Obama.
  119. Mark Presco says: • Website
    @Ghost
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLylpRn9uXQ

    This is an inspiring video and I think that is more true than not; but it begs the question of why millions of Syrian men of fighting age have fled the country.

    If they are patriotic Syrians then they should be counted among the freedom fighters who are depicted in the video. Obviously, they are cowards.

    If they are jihadis, are they cowards for fleeing a lost war, or brave for bringing that war to the US and Europe?

    Either way, I have no symphony or respect for Syrian migrants.

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    Agreed, and the same can be said of young men from Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran. Truly it is shameful not to defend one's own country and people. The vast majority of "refugees" are young, single men.

    I know an old guy who has taken in two Iranian "refugee" boarders out of the kindness of his heart. They have suddenly "found" Christianity and are desperately seeking women (with citizenship) to marry ASAP. One dated a Chinese woman briefly but ended it pronto upon discovering that like himself she neither had citizenship nor permanent residency.
    , @Anonymous
    You are obviously one of those white supremacist scum who think they own the world, and can do anything with it because they discovered or invented stuff, people are so in awe of.

    Mass murder, and sustaining such, means nothing for you. It proves the moral ciphers, evil and psychopathic, the likes of you are.

    Also, the likes of you are quite probably pagan polytheist idolaters, and with the rest of you being from the ranks of the godless. That proves the spiritual losers you are.

    The "cowards" you mention above are running away from war, created and sustained by the likes of you. At least those "cowards" see the evil that war brings to your soul, and want no part in it.

    Now, which is better, being cowards, or mass murdering evil psychopaths?

    And, let us be very clear, the greatest mass murdering evil psychopaths the world has ever known, have been pale faced scum, the likes of you.
  120. Darin says:
    @utu
    "My views are not the consequence of my psychological limitations and shallow emotional reactions! I was convinced by arguments!"

    Good point. I would add that one should look into the nature of this libertarian argument. It has quasi-mathematical consistency and clarity: competition-->minimizes prices and costs and that's why is attractive. But on one mathematical principle one can't physics or mathematics and they think they could build all economics and psychology.

    It would interesting too look what kind of young people are attracted to Anarchism as opposed to Libertarianism. Is it random or there is something in genes?

    Bottom line, in my opinion, Libertarianism is a pro system ideology that is targeting youth to prepare them for affirmation of capitalism in the future and be the future cadre of the System. Its purpose is pretty similar like Komsomol in Soviet Union. I would not be surprised there are some shady forces behind the promotion of Ayn Rand, von Mises, Rothbard, etc. Money is necessary for any movement regardless of how many useful idiots are willing to do it for free.

    Bottom line, in my opinion, Libertarianism is a pro system ideology that is targeting youth to prepare them for affirmation of capitalism in the future

    If it were true, libertarianism would be pushed by the media 24/7. It is just another Western failed ideology, together with Marxism, Nazism, nationalism and now upcoming “HBDism”.

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    • Replies: @utu
    "If it were true, libertarianism would be pushed by the media 24/7"

    Not if the objective is to target the contrarians, those who think independently, those who are somewhat immune to media and in opposition to it. Anyway the end product are people who have affirmative attitude with respect to any excesses of corporations.
  121. Avery says:
    @Greasy William

    In summary, all three options are possible
     
    No. There is literally 0 chance that crappy Russian tech could have shot down or jammed Tomahawks. The Saker and the crew here of gay Russian fanboys understand absolutely nothing about military matters.

    Also note that Trump's approval numbers haven't dipped at all from the attack. The American public doesn't care what happens in Syria and nothing you say will ever change that.

    {Also note that Trump’s approval numbers haven’t dipped at all from the attack}

    As a rule, when POTUS kills innocent people overseas – Ayrabs, ‘towelheads’, and such – POTUS approval rating shoots up.
    Fact that Trump approval rating flatlined means his base does not approve.

    {crappy Russian tech }

    Russian Kalibr cruise missiles launched from Caspian Sea had a 99%+ hit rate. They pulverized your cannibal ISIS buddies.

    At best, whether due to Russian ECM or poor performance, US Tomahawk hit rate was at best 50%: whose crappy tech again ?

    {The Saker and the crew here of gay Russian fanboys understand absolutely nothing about military matters.}

    And _you_ do ?

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    • Replies: @Greasy William

    As a rule, when POTUS kills innocent people overseas – Ayrabs, ‘towelheads’, and such – POTUS approval rating shoots up.
    Fact that Trump approval rating flatlined means his base does not approve.
     
    His base doesn't give a shit about dead sand niggers, period. There are no protests, there is no movement in the polls, just some loudmouths on Twitter and the usual Paultards on Unz. You Paleocon homos are inconsequential, he doesn't care about your votes. You can go back to fucking your Ron Paul blowup dolls for all Trump cares.

    Russian Kalibr cruise missiles launched from Caspian Sea had a 99%+ hit rate. They pulverized your cannibal ISIS buddies.
     
    And yet ISIS is still going strong. They just rid the world of 30+ Copts only a few days ago. ISIS is doing just fine, thank you very much. This is despite Syria, Hezbollah, Iran and Russia throwing everything they have at them. And keep in mind that ISIS is doing this all with only 20,000 guys.

    Russian weapons are junk. They sucked in 67, 73, 82, the first Gulf War and have continued their suckage up to the present.

    By the way, even Russia isn't claiming that their air defenses shot down any Tomahawks, because they know they'd be laughed out of the room if they tried to claim that.

    Just another defeat for the Ron Paul crowd.

    The Jews always win, but you just never learn.
  122. RobinG says:
    @iffen
    I was not familiar with this WH petition site.

    It seems to me that a petition could (would) be "tainted" by the first 150 signers and any connections among them. Do you know where the 1st 150 signers came from?

    Good chance to explain “For the People,” the WH petition site.

    It’s anonymous, so nobody knows (except some WH geeks, I guess, and the NSA of course), who are the first 150 signers. Unlike private (NGO, whatever) petitions that try to get prominent figures to sign first, the White House petitions are started by individuals only known by their initials. I.E., no taint.
    (Some years ago, they would post the initials of all the signers, along with their states of residence. I thought that was kind of cool, and I could verify my own signature even though no one else could. But they stopped that under Obama. Now, they only show the initials of the creator and the total number of signers.)

    The Official Response. There are thresholds, (the rules may not be the same as when I first reviewed them), so many thousands to be archived on the site, and for 100,000 signatures there will be an official response from the President. While a few things have been successful, the usual answer is “Sorry…” but even so, it means they have to notice, and they are well aware what resistance there is to going on record about an issue like this.

    Any other questions? Who is S.M.? I’d like to know. This is so well written, to the point, nothing extraneous or unnecessarily controversial.

    “US support of Syrian rebel factions has enlarged and intensified the conflict to the detriment of Syrian civilians. An escalation of hostilities with the Syrian Government risks a broader regional war including confrontation with Russia. This conflict is not in the interest of the American people and further, military strikes against a sovereign nation without a declaration of war is a war crime under international law, and in violation of the Constitution. Immediately cease all hostilities against the Syrian Government including airstrikes and the equipping and training of Syrian rebels.”

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/cease-military-intervention-and-involvement-syria

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  123. alexander says:
    @anon
    But ISIS was created by USA. The Redirection by Sy Hersh refocused the beam of light on that fact in 2007 . (New Yorker 2007 )
    RAND corporation has envisaged this grand plan of using Jihadist against anybody not toeing lines few years ago . Both are borrowing heavily form American playbook adopted against Soviet in 1979 Both are borrowing same pages from CIA 's 1980 document against Syria. Nothing new
    The new thing is some people do believe that IS showed up out of thin air

    Some believe that US can can sit back , not destroy IS and let IS fight Syria ( NYTimes.COM -Tom Friedman 4/12/17 )
    Some uses the opportunity to excoriate Islam ( Bill Maher Sam Harris )
    and all there are connected through the labyrinthine structure of the Government -Media- Lobby complex

    That’s interesting ,anon

    I find the entire mess a total disaster….and we should have never gotten involved militarily anywhere over there.

    I also find our pattern of behavior has created a new species of war…where the desired outcome is NO outcome at all….not ever……just more WAR….

    Take Libya , for example, we overthrow a milk toast dictator, which creates anarchy, chaos and a breeding ground for new terrorists…which we will ,one day soon, need to destroy..then we will install another dictator… who we will eventually “tomahawk”….. to create “more” terrorists….

    I do not find we have done ONE constructive thing anywhere we have dropped a bomb or ravaged a village .

    I really don’t……. Do you ?

    who can argue, Syria , Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, and Libya have become BETTER places since we went in there ?

    Nobody.

    The decimation on human lives is just immense….and all we have to show for all this bloodshed and heartache is a monstrous 20 trillion dollar HOLE in our balance sheet.

    The greatest waste of taxpayer money in the entire history of western civilization.

    It is a very sad time for all of us…

    Whats worst of all is our “elites” seem almost pathologically addicted to killing people…..Like where does that come from ?

    Has anyone examined the roots of this rather perverse pathology ?

    Do our elites feel EMPOWERED when the hit the million dead number ?….. or when they can successfully false flag us into war ? is that the big rush ?

    Is this the “creme de la creme” of global power ? Like the finest “wine of war” or something ?

    Is it the ultimate high….like going 240 in your Ferrari around Le mans ?

    How surreal is it, that Donald Trump gets his BONA FIDES from our big media, for launching an unconstitutional strike against Syrians who, in all likelihood, were never participants in the crime for which they were tomahawked ?

    Is there a big “Ohh Baby” we did it .again !…YES !…….Sweeeet !!…….. Is that it ?

    Can anyone explain this with some degree of sophistication ?

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    No, but I’ll try.

    As far as I can figure out, there are a lot of assholes out there, some with lots of money, who simply want what they want and don’t care who gets hurt it the process. In fact, some of these elites think that they are doing the world a favor by ridding the world of excess population.

    In the case of Syria: Israel, Turkey, Saudi Arabia etc. want Assad gone, big oil wants a pipeline, and all sorts of other economic and political interests.

    The main goal of US politicians is to get reelected and so they have to prostitute themselves for contributions. They are all bought and paid for by the aforementioned assholes and the assholes want it that way. The US is extremely susceptible to this. The motives of the Deep State are far less transparent, but every bit as self-serving as the politicians.

    The US military and arms suppliers are ready, willing and eager to go to war anywhere, anytime because it is good for profits and promotions. And what’s to worry about since no one has ever been prosecuted for war crimes.

    Almost all of these people are even more bat-shit crazy and more shortsighted than Trump is accused of being. They don't care about the long term, much like corporate quarterly report shortsightedness. Few of them care about the world citizen. It is extremely disappointing to me that Trump seems to be getting so little help from patriotic Americans in the military and intelligence community who still believe in the Constitutional Republic and the rule of law.

    These asshats just don’t understand that the health and integrity of a nation is directly proportional to the health and integrity of its citizens.

    This ties into the thread about Libertarians. Whenever the elites have too much control, be they socialist or capitalist or monarchist, the effect is stifling. Allowing a nations citizens the maximum amount of freedom allows the cream to rise. I don’t know how to do this exactly, but it seems to me that the greatest period of advancement in this country was when it was so wide open that individual achievement was unfettered.
    , @anon
    http://21stcenturywire.com/2017/04/09/breaking-fox-news-tries-to-censor-truth-on-idlib-chemical-weapon-attacks-from-ray-mcgovern/--Peter Lavelle has posted the following status to Facebook concerning the astounding reaction of Fox News to an RT interview with Ray McGovern, exposing the lies surrounding the alleged chemical weapons attack in Idlib.

    Another backstory. Why, you ask, did we wait until now to post this particular interview? A couple of VIPS members had watched it live on RT International. However, when RT tried to post the interview on YouTube, Fox News demanded that it be taken down. Here is the message that appeared on the screen when those few who knew of the link tried to download the interview

    “This video contains content from FOX News Network, who has blocked it on copyright grounds. Sorry about that.” ( FOX always takes things off as it did the 911 and Israeli spying and dancing )

  124. Bill says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    With that freedom he could generously spread the blame and given Chelsea and Monica places under the lights with Hillary, Bill grinning wickedly in the background.

    Chelsea was a little young to be party to a conspiracy during the Clinton administration, but, yes, it’s hard to see why she shouldn’t inherit blame now to the extent that she is a participant in the Clinton crime family’s activities and since she is an adult now.

    It’s pretty typical to spread blame for a conspiracy’s wrongful acts among its members. What, exactly, is your problem with this?

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    As long as their Panamanian lawyers made sure the tax structure was efficient I don't think it really matters that no-sex, non-inhaling William managed the magic trick of causeless bombing of Belgrade (including the Chinese Embassy).
  125. @Avery
    {Also note that Trump’s approval numbers haven’t dipped at all from the attack}

    As a rule, when POTUS kills innocent people overseas - Ayrabs, 'towelheads', and such - POTUS approval rating shoots up.
    Fact that Trump approval rating flatlined means his base does not approve.

    {crappy Russian tech }

    Russian Kalibr cruise missiles launched from Caspian Sea had a 99%+ hit rate. They pulverized your cannibal ISIS buddies.

    At best, whether due to Russian ECM or poor performance, US Tomahawk hit rate was at best 50%: whose crappy tech again ?


    {The Saker and the crew here of gay Russian fanboys understand absolutely nothing about military matters.}

    And _you_ do ?

    As a rule, when POTUS kills innocent people overseas – Ayrabs, ‘towelheads’, and such – POTUS approval rating shoots up.
    Fact that Trump approval rating flatlined means his base does not approve.

    His base doesn’t give a shit about dead sand niggers, period. There are no protests, there is no movement in the polls, just some loudmouths on Twitter and the usual Paultards on Unz. You Paleocon homos are inconsequential, he doesn’t care about your votes. You can go back to fucking your Ron Paul blowup dolls for all Trump cares.

    Russian Kalibr cruise missiles launched from Caspian Sea had a 99%+ hit rate. They pulverized your cannibal ISIS buddies.

    And yet ISIS is still going strong. They just rid the world of 30+ Copts only a few days ago. ISIS is doing just fine, thank you very much. This is despite Syria, Hezbollah, Iran and Russia throwing everything they have at them. And keep in mind that ISIS is doing this all with only 20,000 guys.

    Russian weapons are junk. They sucked in 67, 73, 82, the first Gulf War and have continued their suckage up to the present.

    By the way, even Russia isn’t claiming that their air defenses shot down any Tomahawks, because they know they’d be laughed out of the room if they tried to claim that.

    Just another defeat for the Ron Paul crowd.

    The Jews always win, but you just never learn.

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  126. Art says:

    Looks like Putin has blinked – he met with Tillerson. He had to suffer the Jew/Trump big lie that Russia was backing the wrong guys – when it is Syria and Russia that is fighting ISIS. It is Syria and Russia who are protecting the Christian and non-Sunni minorities from the Wahhabist ISIS murders.

    In order to save his political hide – Trump is siding with the Israeli Zionists that want to breakup Syria — SHAME!

    Peace — Art

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  127. @Bill
    Chelsea was a little young to be party to a conspiracy during the Clinton administration, but, yes, it's hard to see why she shouldn't inherit blame now to the extent that she is a participant in the Clinton crime family's activities and since she is an adult now.

    It's pretty typical to spread blame for a conspiracy's wrongful acts among its members. What, exactly, is your problem with this?

    As long as their Panamanian lawyers made sure the tax structure was efficient I don’t think it really matters that no-sex, non-inhaling William managed the magic trick of causeless bombing of Belgrade (including the Chinese Embassy).

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  128. Svigor says:

    To believe that it would require you to find the following sequence logical: first, Assad pretty much wins the war against Daesh which is in full retreat. Then, the US declares that overthrowing Assad is not a priority anymore (up to here this is all factual and true). Then, Assad decides to use weapons he does not have. He decides to bomb a location with no military value, but with lots of kids and cameras. Then, when the Russians demand a full investigation, the Americans strike as fast as they can before this idea gets any support. And now the Americans are probing a possible Russian role in this so-called attack. Frankly, if you believe any of that, you should immediately stop reading and go back to watching TV. For the rest of us, there are three options:

    All of this hinges on “no military value.” Do you have any evidence for this crucial assertion? If this piece is like your usual tripe (I don’t read your stuff much, but when I do, it’s bad).

    I’m guessing not; it appears in a link-free dead zone in the paragraph.

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  129. mcohen says:

    the incident with the israeli jets being shot at a week ago,then lieberman issues warning,then a fifth of assads airforce is destroyed by missles coming from the red indians from dakota.
    the sunni army heading west are now in hama and moving towards the coast.
    saker and debka.a nice couple from la la land.dancing the internet away.

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  130. Svigor says:

    To elaborate: there are military situations that make poison gas attack very tempting. Say, breaking up a heavily defended urban area that will cost you a lot of men to clear.

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  131. MarkinPNW says:
    @Longfisher
    There has now accumulated a substantial body of thought which seeks to attribute Trump's missile attack on Syria in ways that suggest that he and his administration are, well, masterful in the art of politics and international relations and that there exists a thoughtful but malodorous scheme in Trump's mind which led to the missile strike.

    That is not my belief at all.

    I believe that he's a man-child with aggressively progressing dementia and that his daughter, Ivanka and her husband, easily manipulated him to conduct this strike.

    There's no need for fancy theories of intrigue to explain his actions. Mentally, there's just no "there" there.

    Honestly, I wish I believed that he was in some way artful politically and had a well-thought-0ut geopolitical strategy in mind. But I'm of the opinion that such well-thought-out strategies are completely beyond his mental capacity.

    LF

    Statins?

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  132. alexander says: • Website
    @Agent76
    April 07, 2017 Pentagon Trained Syria’s Al Qaeda “Rebels” in the Use of Chemical Weapons

    The Western media refutes their own lies.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/pentagon-trained-syrias-al-qaeda-rebels-in-the-use-of-chemical-weapons/5583784

    Sep 11, 2011 General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries In Five Years

    "This is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." I said, "Is it classified?" He said, "Yes, sir." I said, "Well, don't show it to me." And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, "You remember that?" He said, "Sir, I didn't show you that memo! I didn't show it to you!"

    https://youtu.be/9RC1Mepk_Sw

    Hi Agent 76,

    I remember very well when Wesley Clark spilled the beans on the entire neocon agenda…it seems so long ago…yet everything he stated has coming to pass…

    Out of curiosity, what are the steps you take to post a you tube video on Unz.com ?

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    All you need is the youtube link as all have and the information provided by the producer as well is all I do. Press play and put your cursor over the video when playing and you should see a box on the lower right hand side that says youtube and click direct for entering it and obtaining the information included. I hope this is clear enough. Be blessed and enjoy!
  133. Saker hits the nail on the head—delusion. Neocons and the Left live in a fantasy world; they are utopians. As Adorno and Horkeimer push is that one has to forego facts and live in theoretical imaginations! The American academia is just this. America is a Marxist country, culturally and so delusion is the name of the game.

    It is very very dangerous. America is delusional in all of its aspects. It is a false construct to begin with anyway; it just breeds delusion.

    The Natural Law is “Like to Like”. Once somebody adopts a lie—more follow. It’s natural.

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  134. Mark Presco says: • Website
    @alexander
    That's interesting ,anon

    I find the entire mess a total disaster....and we should have never gotten involved militarily anywhere over there.

    I also find our pattern of behavior has created a new species of war...where the desired outcome is NO outcome at all....not ever......just more WAR....

    Take Libya , for example, we overthrow a milk toast dictator, which creates anarchy, chaos and a breeding ground for new terrorists...which we will ,one day soon, need to destroy..then we will install another dictator... who we will eventually "tomahawk"..... to create "more" terrorists....

    I do not find we have done ONE constructive thing anywhere we have dropped a bomb or ravaged a village .

    I really don't....... Do you ?

    who can argue, Syria , Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, and Libya have become BETTER places since we went in there ?

    Nobody.

    The decimation on human lives is just immense....and all we have to show for all this bloodshed and heartache is a monstrous 20 trillion dollar HOLE in our balance sheet.

    The greatest waste of taxpayer money in the entire history of western civilization.

    It is a very sad time for all of us...

    Whats worst of all is our "elites" seem almost pathologically addicted to killing people.....Like where does that come from ?

    Has anyone examined the roots of this rather perverse pathology ?

    Do our elites feel EMPOWERED when the hit the million dead number ?..... or when they can successfully false flag us into war ? is that the big rush ?

    Is this the "creme de la creme" of global power ? Like the finest "wine of war" or something ?

    Is it the ultimate high....like going 240 in your Ferrari around Le mans ?

    How surreal is it, that Donald Trump gets his BONA FIDES from our big media, for launching an unconstitutional strike against Syrians who, in all likelihood, were never participants in the crime for which they were tomahawked ?

    Is there a big "Ohh Baby" we did it .again !...YES !.......Sweeeet !!........ Is that it ?

    Can anyone explain this with some degree of sophistication ?

    No, but I’ll try.

    As far as I can figure out, there are a lot of assholes out there, some with lots of money, who simply want what they want and don’t care who gets hurt it the process. In fact, some of these elites think that they are doing the world a favor by ridding the world of excess population.

    In the case of Syria: Israel, Turkey, Saudi Arabia etc. want Assad gone, big oil wants a pipeline, and all sorts of other economic and political interests.

    The main goal of US politicians is to get reelected and so they have to prostitute themselves for contributions. They are all bought and paid for by the aforementioned assholes and the assholes want it that way. The US is extremely susceptible to this. The motives of the Deep State are far less transparent, but every bit as self-serving as the politicians.

    The US military and arms suppliers are ready, willing and eager to go to war anywhere, anytime because it is good for profits and promotions. And what’s to worry about since no one has ever been prosecuted for war crimes.

    Almost all of these people are even more bat-shit crazy and more shortsighted than Trump is accused of being. They don’t care about the long term, much like corporate quarterly report shortsightedness. Few of them care about the world citizen. It is extremely disappointing to me that Trump seems to be getting so little help from patriotic Americans in the military and intelligence community who still believe in the Constitutional Republic and the rule of law.

    These asshats just don’t understand that the health and integrity of a nation is directly proportional to the health and integrity of its citizens.

    This ties into the thread about Libertarians. Whenever the elites have too much control, be they socialist or capitalist or monarchist, the effect is stifling. Allowing a nations citizens the maximum amount of freedom allows the cream to rise. I don’t know how to do this exactly, but it seems to me that the greatest period of advancement in this country was when it was so wide open that individual achievement was unfettered.

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  135. RobinG says:

    MIT Professor Theodore Postol on “SARIN” False Flag -

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/04/about-the-nerve-agent-attack-in-khan-shaykhun-syria-by-theodore-a-postol.html

    “About the Nerve Agent Attack in Khan Shaykhun, Syria.” By Theodore A. Postol

    Links to all charts, figures and photos are in comments.

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  136. Skeptikal says:
    @Randal
    Magnificent tour de force from the Saker.

    Meanwhile, here is an official statement of the new Trumpist world order: the US as self-appointed world policeman and global judge, jury and executioner:

    Tillerson Says U.S. Will Punish ‘Crimes Against the Innocents’ Anywhere

    Presumably we can expect more of what we've come to expect from the US: knee jerk aggressive military responses to emotionally manipulative propaganda photographs when someone the US doesn't like is accused of a "crime", and casual disregard whenever anyone of whom the US approves is accused of anything.

    Just to emphasise the usefulness of this policy for justifying intervention at will, the US regime's mouthpiece Spicer then let slip that barrel bombing (essentially what the US and UK did to Germany and Japan in WW2 with free fall bombs, only much less destructive) could also be used as a pretext to attack Syria, before the White House later comically tried to limit the damage by pretending, absurdly, that he had been talking about "barrels filled with chlorine".

    White House warns of potential US 'red line' over Syria barrel bomb attacks

    Truly, the Trump regime is descending into depths of farce only predicted by his worst enemies prior to his election, ironically precisely as a result of following those same enemies' advice on foreign policy.

    “crimes against the innocents”?

    Surely Tillerson makes himself a laughingstock and also invites an accounting of all “innocents” killed by drone strikes—just for starters. Perhaps the most obvoius place to start counting the innocents obliterated by the American president (hit the WH directly for retaliation against drone strikes ordered from there?), the American military, and their proxies.

    The hubris-false righteousness-hypocrisy-arrogance-overreach cocktail of such a statement is so toxic that it is hard to know where to begin to take it down.

    What would the world, or Americans, or anyone, think if Putin announced similar “punishment” of all attacks on “innocents”?

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    "What would the world, or Americans, or anyone, think if Putin announced similar 'punishment' of all attacks on 'innocents'?"

    Actually, Putin should do exactly that. Starting with the deliberate slaughter of civilians in Yemen by the U.S.' Saudi ally; of Kurdish civilians in Southeastern Turkey and Northern Syria by the U.S. NATO ally Erdogan; of Palestinian civilians by the U.S. ally Israel; and of Syrian civilians by the U.S.-supported-and-armed jihadi "moderate rebels". To say nothing of the U.S.' own ongoing slaughter of civilians in a dozen places - including Syria - in bombings, drone attacks, etc. Russian media should be playing this up constantly. Russian government spokesmen (and Putin himself) should be holding up photos of dead civilians at the U.N. and similar places, condemning these callous attacks on civilians by the U.S., its allies and proxies, and solemnly promising "severe consequences". THAT is how you get otherwise ignorant "international public opinion" behind you.

    But the problem is - Putin and his foreign policy team are weak, timid and pusillanimous. They continue to call the U.S. neocon/Deep State/Anglo-Zio establishment - who are actual usurpers of the U.S.' formal constitutional order, and criminal psychopaths to boot - "partners", and to hope for "cooperation in the fight against international terrorism" (!) from them.

  137. Skeptikal says:
    @Chaban
    Poor Faker.

    Been predicting an imminent U.S. collapse for what? a decade now?

    Said Ukraine was about to implode three or four years ago.

    These days he's trying to cheer up his readers, but he knows it's all over.

    The U.S. just decided to move beyond the propaganda war as Russia, I think it is fair to say, was winning on that front.

    But now it's over. Faker knows there is absolutely nothing Russia can do militarily against the West. I mean, we are talking about ALL the most powerful nations on earth combined here.

    Yeah, he can talk all he wants about Napoleon and the Third Reich, but the coalition now about to destroy Russia will not have to constantly worry about its western flank like others did. And Russia will not be supplied by a constant flow of tens of thousands of pieces of military hardware like in the 40s.

    Faker is suuuuch a good analyst that he was all excited, just like his followers, when Trump was elected. Those people truly believed that you could beat the system at its own game. So gullible! It was so bad that I left a couple messages on his blog (or on here, I can't remember), saying that Trump was meant to have Putin lower his guard, just like Obama was meant to have the Arab leaders drop their guards, and that Russia was in for a big surprise. Of course all the Faker groupies laughed me off... The "battle" that you saw between Trump and the establishment was just WWF meant to confuse the Russian leadership. Everyone was sooo focused on that. Suckers!

    As though, the chain of events of the last couple weeks had not been planned for weeks, months even. The Faker groupies are now grasping at straws (Ivanka, baby pictures, etc.) They cannot admit they've been had.

    As for the Faker, who knows Russia is screwed, he is left begging for China to do something. Only thing is, China is the U.S.'s bitch and their troop movements right now prove it.

    Finally, the U.S. totally took Russia and its leaders by surprise with the strike last week and now they are completely humiliating them by sending their Secretary of State to Moscow to rub it in. After such a slap in the face, a powerful nation would have turned down the visit. Do you actually think Russia could hit U.S. interests and send Lavrov to Washington a few days later?

    Now Lavrov and Tillerson have been going at it ALL DAY... meaning there are heavy negotiations going on. And that means Russia is in a position of weakness. They are doing everything they can to save face. There is nothing they can do. Faker knows it. All (real) military analysts know it. Of course Russia's nuclear arsenal, if it's still functioning properly, could be their trump card, but there is no way they would go there.

    And finally, I think China will turn on Russia. Mark my words. You've read it first.

    And all of Kiza's ad hominem attacks cannot change a thing about all this.

    “Of course all the Faker groupies laughed me off… The “battle” that you saw between Trump and the establishment was just WWF meant to confuse the Russian leadership. Everyone was sooo focused on that. Suckers!”

    I don’t get Chaban’s “fakers” and “suckers” and I don’t get Chaban’s vitriol against the Saker and those who follow his blog. Maybe Chaban wanted to write a piece at the Saker blog and was turned down? Anyone can post there, and many others will both agree and disagree. So Chaban definitely seems to have a chip on his shoulder regarding the Saker

    Anyhow, I follow many threads on the Saker’s blog and I can state with confidence that the overwhelming number of comments there regarding Trump both before and following the election had few illusions about Trump and were in “wait and see” mode, but had a “glimmer” of hope that he might be less belligerent than Hillary, less beholden to the powers that be and the Neocons. It was well understood that Trump was an unknown quantity, and Trump was seen by most to many to be the devil you don’t know as opposed to the one you do.

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    "...I don’t get Chaban’s vitriol against the Saker and those who follow his blog....So Chaban definitely seems to have a chip on his shoulder regarding the Saker"

    There's nothing to "get". This scum "Chaban" is either a neocon/Anglo-Zio or Islamist troll sent here to muddy the waters. Spewing crap, insulting, annoying and trying to demoralize are part of their game.
  138. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @alexander
    That's interesting ,anon

    I find the entire mess a total disaster....and we should have never gotten involved militarily anywhere over there.

    I also find our pattern of behavior has created a new species of war...where the desired outcome is NO outcome at all....not ever......just more WAR....

    Take Libya , for example, we overthrow a milk toast dictator, which creates anarchy, chaos and a breeding ground for new terrorists...which we will ,one day soon, need to destroy..then we will install another dictator... who we will eventually "tomahawk"..... to create "more" terrorists....

    I do not find we have done ONE constructive thing anywhere we have dropped a bomb or ravaged a village .

    I really don't....... Do you ?

    who can argue, Syria , Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, and Libya have become BETTER places since we went in there ?

    Nobody.

    The decimation on human lives is just immense....and all we have to show for all this bloodshed and heartache is a monstrous 20 trillion dollar HOLE in our balance sheet.

    The greatest waste of taxpayer money in the entire history of western civilization.

    It is a very sad time for all of us...

    Whats worst of all is our "elites" seem almost pathologically addicted to killing people.....Like where does that come from ?

    Has anyone examined the roots of this rather perverse pathology ?

    Do our elites feel EMPOWERED when the hit the million dead number ?..... or when they can successfully false flag us into war ? is that the big rush ?

    Is this the "creme de la creme" of global power ? Like the finest "wine of war" or something ?

    Is it the ultimate high....like going 240 in your Ferrari around Le mans ?

    How surreal is it, that Donald Trump gets his BONA FIDES from our big media, for launching an unconstitutional strike against Syrians who, in all likelihood, were never participants in the crime for which they were tomahawked ?

    Is there a big "Ohh Baby" we did it .again !...YES !.......Sweeeet !!........ Is that it ?

    Can anyone explain this with some degree of sophistication ?

    http://21stcenturywire.com/2017/04/09/breaking-fox-news-tries-to-censor-truth-on-idlib-chemical-weapon-attacks-from-ray-mcgovern/–Peter Lavelle has posted the following status to Facebook concerning the astounding reaction of Fox News to an RT interview with Ray McGovern, exposing the lies surrounding the alleged chemical weapons attack in Idlib.

    Another backstory. Why, you ask, did we wait until now to post this particular interview? A couple of VIPS members had watched it live on RT International. However, when RT tried to post the interview on YouTube, Fox News demanded that it be taken down. Here is the message that appeared on the screen when those few who knew of the link tried to download the interview

    “This video contains content from FOX News Network, who has blocked it on copyright grounds. Sorry about that.” ( FOX always takes things off as it did the 911 and Israeli spying and dancing )

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    Guess what? "The page you are looking for no longer exists."
  139. @nickels
    Also, libertarians forget--"who do you think the state is?"
    Well, its all the corporations and ultra rich.

    Also, libertarians forget–”who do you think the state is?”
    Well, its all the corporations and ultra rich.

    Yup. Should be obvious by now.

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  140. Blah, blah, blah….

    US can do whatever it wants.

    Russia can do nothing to stop them.

    Blah, blah, blah….

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    • Replies: @JL
    So, your argument is that Assad is still in power because that's what the US wants? I would agree that the truth is often the opposite of appearances, but it sure looks like the US wants Assad out of power and Russia is stopping them from attaining that goal.
  141. @utu
    There are three possible reasons why some Tomahawks disappeared

    There is a fourth one: only 23 were launched and 59 were reported just for accounting purposes.

    There is a fourth one: only 23 were launched and 59 were reported just for accounting purposes.

    That’s it, by Jove!

    The Pentagon has historically had some trouble with accounting (pun intended). Remember the unaccounted for TRIllions?

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  142. utu says:
    @Darin

    Bottom line, in my opinion, Libertarianism is a pro system ideology that is targeting youth to prepare them for affirmation of capitalism in the future
     
    If it were true, libertarianism would be pushed by the media 24/7. It is just another Western failed ideology, together with Marxism, Nazism, nationalism and now upcoming "HBDism".

    “If it were true, libertarianism would be pushed by the media 24/7″

    Not if the objective is to target the contrarians, those who think independently, those who are somewhat immune to media and in opposition to it. Anyway the end product are people who have affirmative attitude with respect to any excesses of corporations.

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    Maybe I’m dense but I have tried to follow your thread on Libertarianism and I can’t figure out what you are talking about. Some snide comments that may mean something to you, but have no meaning to me. I haven’t heard one cogent argument from any of you.

    Are you totally anti-corporate? Do Bill’s remarks have something to do with conservative Christianity?

    For all of its faults, corporate America has helped provide Americans with one the highest standards of living in the history of the world. Sure there have been problems, but you haven’t provided a cogent solution. Everything everyone else has tried has been far worse.

    My concept of Libertarianism is simply maximizing individual freedoms. This allows the cream to rise resulting in maximizing individual achievements.

    The issues you anti-libertarianists have come up with don’t even begin to convince me that we should throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    The one caveat I have with Libertarianism is that it only works in white cultures. Only white men demonstrate the individual responsibility necessary to make it work. Importing black slaves, third world labor or outsourcing jobs screw it all up.
  143. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The darkest hour is just before dawn. Let’s mentally skip over the “darkest hour”.

    The Great Migration … of a Prodigal Humanity

    http://ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=192715

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  144. RobinG says:
    @anon
    http://21stcenturywire.com/2017/04/09/breaking-fox-news-tries-to-censor-truth-on-idlib-chemical-weapon-attacks-from-ray-mcgovern/--Peter Lavelle has posted the following status to Facebook concerning the astounding reaction of Fox News to an RT interview with Ray McGovern, exposing the lies surrounding the alleged chemical weapons attack in Idlib.

    Another backstory. Why, you ask, did we wait until now to post this particular interview? A couple of VIPS members had watched it live on RT International. However, when RT tried to post the interview on YouTube, Fox News demanded that it be taken down. Here is the message that appeared on the screen when those few who knew of the link tried to download the interview

    “This video contains content from FOX News Network, who has blocked it on copyright grounds. Sorry about that.” ( FOX always takes things off as it did the 911 and Israeli spying and dancing )

    Guess what? “The page you are looking for no longer exists.”

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    Guess what? “The page you are looking for no longer exists.”
     
    The page does exist. The trouble is the URL anon posted inadvertently included this string (–Peter Lavelle) at the end of it:

    http://21stcenturywire.com/2017/04/09/breaking-fox-news-tries-to-censor-truth-on-idlib-chemical-weapon-attacks-from-ray-mcgovern/–Peter Lavelle

    If you remove that string, this link:

    http://21stcenturywire.com/2017/04/09/breaking-fox-news-tries-to-censor-truth-on-idlib-chemical-weapon-attacks-from-ray-mcgovern

    will take you to the appropriate page.
  145. L.K says:
    @Art
    The Syria gas attack (false flag or not) was an unfortunate event – the retaliatory missile attack is another matter.

    Looks like the Trump cruise missile attack on Syria was pure political genius. Was it intended – was it planned out? Who knows – but it was effective. It changed the political landscape in America. It has totally upended the “Russia/Trump traitor cabal” scenario of the Jew MSM. The media are still trying to pump the story, but it is falling on death ears.

    One could suspect that the left will try to keep it going, just to blunt the Obama/Rice election spying investigation. The Democrats will stop the Russia election meddling charge, if the Republicans will stop the Obama/Rice domestic spying investigation. The American people want neither.

    The political story that is not being reported is the role that Ivanka Kushner played in her father’s decision to attack. She is a neoliberal, steeped in the NY Jew political agenda. There is no one more important to daddy Trump then Ivanka. He trusts her politically. She wants daddy to go mainstream. Understand that and you will understand where the administration politics are going.

    Make no mistake – Ivanka is the power behind the throne. She is the political story of the Trump era.

    Art goes: “Looks like the Trump cruise missile attack on Syria was pure political genius. Was it intended – was it planned out? Who knows – but it was effective. It changed the political landscape in America.”

    Sigh. Art, what this imbecile, this war criminal, Trump, has done, is painted himself into a corner.
    He’s surrendered in 3 months, worse than Obama.

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    Sigh. Art, what this imbecile, this war criminal, Trump, has done, is painted himself into a corner.
    He’s surrendered in 3 months, worse than Obama.


    I agree 100% - but he has taken the "Russian poodle" story off his back.

    His bombing Syria, stopped the fevered pitch of the Jew MSM, regarding Russia and the US election.

    Peace --- Art
  146. Mark Presco says: • Website
    @utu
    "If it were true, libertarianism would be pushed by the media 24/7"

    Not if the objective is to target the contrarians, those who think independently, those who are somewhat immune to media and in opposition to it. Anyway the end product are people who have affirmative attitude with respect to any excesses of corporations.

    Maybe I’m dense but I have tried to follow your thread on Libertarianism and I can’t figure out what you are talking about. Some snide comments that may mean something to you, but have no meaning to me. I haven’t heard one cogent argument from any of you.

    Are you totally anti-corporate? Do Bill’s remarks have something to do with conservative Christianity?

    For all of its faults, corporate America has helped provide Americans with one the highest standards of living in the history of the world. Sure there have been problems, but you haven’t provided a cogent solution. Everything everyone else has tried has been far worse.

    My concept of Libertarianism is simply maximizing individual freedoms. This allows the cream to rise resulting in maximizing individual achievements.

    The issues you anti-libertarianists have come up with don’t even begin to convince me that we should throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    The one caveat I have with Libertarianism is that it only works in white cultures. Only white men demonstrate the individual responsibility necessary to make it work. Importing black slaves, third world labor or outsourcing jobs screw it all up.

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    • Replies: @bluedog
    Yes it did provide the highest standard of living at the expense of the rest of the world, but where is our standard of living now, gone baby gone for we are now reaping what we sowed chaos..
  147. @alexander
    Dear Saker,

    Thanks for a very thorough and almost breathtaking article....It covers an awful lot of ground in a very short amount of time.

    The schizophrenic nature of our policy "flip-flopping" is a sight to behold.

    I think statements made by our state department in regards to engagement in Syria at this time, underscore an enormous amount of tension within our government about what our goals should be, both long term, short term, and in between.

    There are a lot of policy makers who want us to smash the "brutal" Syrian regime.

    There are a lot of policy makers who want us to smash "despicable " ISIS, the nemesis of the "brutal" Syrian regime.

    In an ongoing civil war, where both sides may be evil, brutal, and ruthless, why should the US be picking a side at all ?

    Why not just stay out of the fray, let them duke it out, save our troops and tax dollars for what to do once there is a clearly defined outcome to the conflict ?

    If hurting ASSAD helps ISIS, and hurting ISIS helps ASSAD.....then any action we take favors at least one of our enemies and none of our friends....and probably gets a few more thousand innocent civilians dead.

    Restraint, at this time, is the smart play.....because there is NO upside to intervention.

    The situation is not helped at all by referring to this war as a civil war, rather it is a proxy war. As anon has pointed out, one side consists of foreign mercenaries (paid for by the US and/or its allies) and jihadis while the other side, led by Assad, is the legitimate government.

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    • Replies: @Ace
    Precisely. Many read about Chechen, Saudi, Libyan, Jordanian, Egyptian, Swedish, Tunisian, Turkish, British, US, and German jihadis fighting in Syria but cling to the idea it's a "civil war."

    All that's missing is the Abraham Lincoln Brigade.
  148. @Mark Presco
    This is an inspiring video and I think that is more true than not; but it begs the question of why millions of Syrian men of fighting age have fled the country.

    If they are patriotic Syrians then they should be counted among the freedom fighters who are depicted in the video. Obviously, they are cowards.

    If they are jihadis, are they cowards for fleeing a lost war, or brave for bringing that war to the US and Europe?

    Either way, I have no symphony or respect for Syrian migrants.

    Agreed, and the same can be said of young men from Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran. Truly it is shameful not to defend one’s own country and people. The vast majority of “refugees” are young, single men.

    I know an old guy who has taken in two Iranian “refugee” boarders out of the kindness of his heart. They have suddenly “found” Christianity and are desperately seeking women (with citizenship) to marry ASAP. One dated a Chinese woman briefly but ended it pronto upon discovering that like himself she neither had citizenship nor permanent residency.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    I entirely agree that most of the refugees ought to be on a program which is intended to lead them out of my non-Muslim, non-African country but I wonder about your moral prescription for the young men (and why not women? The Zionists got on to that at least 75 years ago) who don't stay and fight. "Defend one's own people"???

    I had 7 years military training (not fulltime) but it's a long time since I was in the army or air force (briefly the latter to get free flight training) and I can't quite envisage the typical scenario you have in mind to avoid the shame of not being defenders of one's country or people. How about "I'm going to Germany to earn enough to buy enough guns and ammunition for the men and young women of my village so know one will be able to mess with us again? "
  149. Parbes says:
    @Skeptikal
    "Of course all the Faker groupies laughed me off… The “battle” that you saw between Trump and the establishment was just WWF meant to confuse the Russian leadership. Everyone was sooo focused on that. Suckers!"

    I don't get Chaban's "fakers" and "suckers" and I don't get Chaban's vitriol against the Saker and those who follow his blog. Maybe Chaban wanted to write a piece at the Saker blog and was turned down? Anyone can post there, and many others will both agree and disagree. So Chaban definitely seems to have a chip on his shoulder regarding the Saker

    Anyhow, I follow many threads on the Saker's blog and I can state with confidence that the overwhelming number of comments there regarding Trump both before and following the election had few illusions about Trump and were in "wait and see" mode, but had a "glimmer" of hope that he might be less belligerent than Hillary, less beholden to the powers that be and the Neocons. It was well understood that Trump was an unknown quantity, and Trump was seen by most to many to be the devil you don't know as opposed to the one you do.

    “…I don’t get Chaban’s vitriol against the Saker and those who follow his blog….So Chaban definitely seems to have a chip on his shoulder regarding the Saker”

    There’s nothing to “get”. This scum “Chaban” is either a neocon/Anglo-Zio or Islamist troll sent here to muddy the waters. Spewing crap, insulting, annoying and trying to demoralize are part of their game.

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  150. @Chaban
    Alexander,

    What you write may be all true, but that was not my point.

    You make a lot of noice, putting on that great "offended" act. But what are you going to do about all this? Nothing. You are absolutely powerless.

    You write: "This is America, buddy….IF you saying our “deceitful” war mongers should get a FREE RIDE BECAUSE THEY LIED ……"

    Seriously? It's been going on for over 240 years. And again, there is nothing you can do about it, despite all your grandiloquence.

    “…Seriously? It’s been going on for over 240 years. And again, there is nothing you can do about it, despite all your grandiloquence.”

    When you are done crouching down and licking the hand that feeds you- check out the Joe Stack manifesto.

    Joe died on his feet.

    Now is not the time to be a defeatist dick.

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  151. @Diversity Heretic
    Nuclear weapons should probably be reserved for ethnostates such as North Korea, China and Russia (although I'd personally be comfortable with Japanese acquisition of nukes). I increasingly favor nuclear disarmament for the U.S., France and Great Britain.

    Nuclear disarmament might be a good idea for the U.K. and France, just to prevent those nukes from falling into the hands of Muslims as the countries turn majority Muslim. Sad to contemplate that prospect.

    The USA? Well, I’m American, and I doubt we’d be able to deter much more populous powers forever without our nukes, so I can’t go for that here.

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    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    Deter more populous powers from what? Invasion across two oceans? Don't think you need nuclear weapons for that. Defense from Mexican invasion is a matter of political will, not military capability.

    I too am an American and used to do some work involving the Department of Energy's nuclear weapons' facilities. I was a big believer in maintaining the nuclear capability. But when I see the demographic changes that will almost certainly happen later this century, I am increasingly concerned about very dangerous weapons being turned over to a society increasingly dominated by excitable Negroes, dull-witted Mestizos and clannish Asians. I think that they'd be more likely used in a civil war than deterring foreign aggression. In addition, in the last week, I've begun to doubt the rationality of present-day American leaders. I'd prefer global nuclear disarmament (yes, I know it makes the world safe for conventional war, I used to make precisely that argument) but unilateral American nuclear disarmament may be the next-best choice for the U.S.
  152. Parbes says:
    @Skeptikal
    "crimes against the innocents"?

    Surely Tillerson makes himself a laughingstock and also invites an accounting of all "innocents" killed by drone strikes---just for starters. Perhaps the most obvoius place to start counting the innocents obliterated by the American president (hit the WH directly for retaliation against drone strikes ordered from there?), the American military, and their proxies.

    The hubris-false righteousness-hypocrisy-arrogance-overreach cocktail of such a statement is so toxic that it is hard to know where to begin to take it down.

    What would the world, or Americans, or anyone, think if Putin announced similar "punishment" of all attacks on "innocents"?

    “What would the world, or Americans, or anyone, think if Putin announced similar ‘punishment’ of all attacks on ‘innocents’?”

    Actually, Putin should do exactly that. Starting with the deliberate slaughter of civilians in Yemen by the U.S.’ Saudi ally; of Kurdish civilians in Southeastern Turkey and Northern Syria by the U.S. NATO ally Erdogan; of Palestinian civilians by the U.S. ally Israel; and of Syrian civilians by the U.S.-supported-and-armed jihadi “moderate rebels”. To say nothing of the U.S.’ own ongoing slaughter of civilians in a dozen places – including Syria – in bombings, drone attacks, etc. Russian media should be playing this up constantly. Russian government spokesmen (and Putin himself) should be holding up photos of dead civilians at the U.N. and similar places, condemning these callous attacks on civilians by the U.S., its allies and proxies, and solemnly promising “severe consequences”. THAT is how you get otherwise ignorant “international public opinion” behind you.

    But the problem is – Putin and his foreign policy team are weak, timid and pusillanimous. They continue to call the U.S. neocon/Deep State/Anglo-Zio establishment – who are actual usurpers of the U.S.’ formal constitutional order, and criminal psychopaths to boot – “partners”, and to hope for “cooperation in the fight against international terrorism” (!) from them.

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    {Putin and his foreign policy team are weak, timid and pusillanimous. }

    Putin & Co are not pusillanimous: they are parsimonious with their resources.

    Russia has a population of about 145 million (tax base).
    US alone has 320 million.
    Plus add the Anglo-American block (Canada, England, Australia, New Zealand) and Western European satraps of US, and more.
    All their economies and wealth are the disposal of US & Co.

    At the UN Russia is usually alone: China did not join Russia in vetoing the latest anti-Syria resolution. US, UK, France, on the other hand regularly vote in lock-step as permanent members. China should be shoulder to shoulder with Russia at the UNSC, but often isn't.

    Russian economy was badly shaken by the financial assaults US engineered a couple of years ago, with sanctions, assaults on the Ruble, the collapse of the oil price.
    Russia withstood the assaults and has been re-engineering its finances, economy, and agriculture to be less dependent on the West.
    These things take time.

    Russia is staying the course in Syria: that's what counts.
    Russia has neither the resources nor the ability to punish the Neocon criminals.

    All the levers of controlling the world today are at the hands of US & Co.
    The reserve currency is the US $; several of the largest economies of the world (Germany, France, Japan,...) are vassals of US and do as they are told to advance US interests; US & Co are masters of deception and propaganda (Russians have no Hollywood....) and on, and on.
    The kangaroo court at the Hague is controlled by US & Co.
    Russia has none of those levers.

    So Putin & Co know their limits and are very prudently not overextending themselves. And Putin & Co calling Neocon war criminals “partners” is part of the game: Putin knows who they really are; US knows that Putin knows who they really are; and Putin knows US knows.

    , @Skeptikal
    I agree. Putin or Putin proxies should do exactly that.
    My own question was basically rhetorical.
    Putin should counter such "innocents" nonsense with pictures held up for the media at the UN.

    No to mention people held illegally, protesters gassed, black citizens beaten, etc. within the USA.
  153. No matter who uses the WMD it is a horrible act and it should be condemned by all countries on this planet! However, there are 4 countries, now 5, which are the victims of WMD in human history and they should have a lot to say about this horrible attacks than the other countries in where chemical weapons are being manufactured and or using them against others:
    1. Japanese cities were attacked by A- bomb and H-bomb
    2. First is Vietnam in where the US used Napalm to setup humane on fire and later the US used agent orange and killed many Vietnamese as well as many American GI’s. No one protested against it and if there was no one was listening
    3. Saddam Hossein used mustard gas, which was made in Germany and delivered to Saddam by the CIA, against its own Kurdish citizens and no one said or protested the horrendous attack.
    4. Once again Saddam used the same chemical against the Iranian personnel in 1980 – 1988 and killed many people but no one protested. In fact Reagan, Rumsfeld at that time he was an advisor to Reagan and German chancellor were celebrating over the event
    5. Sarin was used in Syria once following which Assad’s chemicals were removed and destroyed. There were some noise and protes around this incident but with no follow up
    6. Now that appears the terrorist in Syria using their chemical, of course mostly enriched with chlorine and water soluble that is why the children were being hosed down with water!
    Bottom line those who manufacture, sell, have used or are using WMD’s are not qualified nor credible to have an opinion about others or preaching others. I believe the victim countries of WMD are the only credible countries who can protest and investigate these horrible events or follow up and calling the users as “crime or criminals against humanity” and taking the users representative to the international court!

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Nice first draft. Come back later when you've tightened up a bit on facts and logic. Best if you don't throw in a real doozy of a factual error at the outset if you want to grab and hold your readers.

    No H bomb was detonated till four years after Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed.

    Napalm was an established conventional weapon of war when used in Vietnam - flamethrowers were used in WW1. Agent Orange was a defoliant which had bad side effects on people, including American soldiers, not a weapon


    What makes you say all Assad's sarin gas was destroyed? Evidence?

    If only victims can investigate and credibly protest actions we now regard as criminal how long does this apply for? As nearly all countries have been associated with slavery at some stage in the last 500 years is it unacceptable for the US, UK, France, Turkey, China etc. to be involved in putting an end to slavery in Sudan and elsewhere?

    Are you suggesting that a country that once suffered one kind of outrage (say atomic bombing) is thereby qualified to protest and be a credible investigator of say a sarin attack? And would that apply despite the record of that countries atrocities?
  154. Gleimhart says:
    @Kiza
    The only characteristic that exceeds the lack of knowledge of the majority of US people is their aggressive stupidity, on great display in comments here. I realised this a long while ago. For example, have you heard of a US movie called "Animal", rated very lowly because it describes the true moral nature of the US population? Another relevant one is "Idiocracy".

    Trying to engage aggressive US & Israeli idiots in a discussion would be a total waste of time. I have better things to do with my time.

    Please show me a country where most people are not largely ignorant of relevant matters. Please do. I want to know what country this may be. Where are these awesomely informed populations?

    The whole world is full of dullards and easy-to-fool sheep, you shit-wit. That includes whatever useless piece of crap country YOU call home.

    You’re calling Americans stupid, while “The Saker” thinks that a movie actor that’s been dead for 40 years is some sort of American male prototype. Mind you, Putin is the one that likes getting his picture taken with his shirt off. Most White American men look more manly than that sad sight, and “The Saker” seems to have nothing to say about such pseudo macho posing from his KGB hero.

    So come one. Tell me what country YOU call home, so I can give you a laundry list of things that make YOUR people as dumb as stumps.

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    • Replies: @Kiza
    Your reaction is so telling. Out of two things that I wrote about the majority of US people (which definitely does not mean all):
    1) that they are morally bankrupt/sick, and
    2) that they are dumb,
    you, of course, select only the second one and completely skipped the first one. It just happens that my strong priority is the first one, because it is much easier to argue and prove than the second one and because the first one is fundamental whilst the second one is relative. I believe that your choice indirectly proves my points about the majority of US people that you obviously belong to.

    Naturally, I am not going to grace you with a detailed discussion that you do not deserve, because of the above reason. I wish to continue the discussion about free market with MarkinLA and all these other guys who sided with him. Unlike you, I respect those guys who criticised my opinion on free market, thus they deserve a response, just I have no time to respond right now. Sorry guys.
  155. Gleimhart says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    Maybe Saker has good reasons to be anti-American. Russia was nestly destroyed dusting the Clinton years...It was a deliberate policy to gang rape Russia.

    Well if we’re going to hold grudges then what shall we do with the fact that Russia made everyone nervous for most of the 20th century?

    Again, I remind you, the KGB did huge damage to the United States, and the crap of a country we’re now left with is something not only WE have to deal with, but it’s also boomeranged back on Russia. If they had let us be, we wouldn’t be so screwed up now, and they’d be having a much easier time of it.

    Actions have consequences. The Russians need to come to terms with the monumental civilizational damage they have caused, and “The Saker” needs to quit these phony portrayals of Russian awesomeness and innocence at the hands the bad Americans.

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    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    KGB did huge damage to the USA. . .

    Gleimhart, what are you smoking?
    Pray, be more specific.
  156. Here’s an analysis which I find more plausible: it says almost all missiles hit their targets. Here’s another one, which says the number of sorties run by the Syrian Air Force from that base has dropped significantly since the attack.

    As much as I’d like to believe that the US regime is not totally dominating the world, it’s very likely that the US military is still stronger by far than any of their possible enemies (or allies, or neutrals, for the matter).

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  157. geokat62 says:
    @RobinG
    Guess what? "The page you are looking for no longer exists."

    Guess what? “The page you are looking for no longer exists.”

    The page does exist. The trouble is the URL anon posted inadvertently included this string (–Peter Lavelle) at the end of it:

    http://21stcenturywire.com/2017/04/09/breaking-fox-news-tries-to-censor-truth-on-idlib-chemical-weapon-attacks-from-ray-mcgovern/–Peter Lavelle

    If you remove that string, this link:

    http://21stcenturywire.com/2017/04/09/breaking-fox-news-tries-to-censor-truth-on-idlib-chemical-weapon-attacks-from-ray-mcgovern

    will take you to the appropriate page.

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  158. JL says:
    @Thales the Milesian
    Blah, blah, blah....

    US can do whatever it wants.

    Russia can do nothing to stop them.

    Blah, blah, blah....

    So, your argument is that Assad is still in power because that’s what the US wants? I would agree that the truth is often the opposite of appearances, but it sure looks like the US wants Assad out of power and Russia is stopping them from attaining that goal.

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  159. Joe Wong says:
    @Kiza
    This is a very nice and entertaining write up, but its reasoning often has big holes. For example, “those who hated him still hate him while those who supported him now also hate him“ is a nice flowing statement but meaningless. What does it matter to Trump if those who voted for him now hate him? This has always been the principal problem of "democracy" and "elections", that the candidate only has to say the right things before the elections and after the election can serve any constituency he wants (always the moneyed and weaponized one). By the time of the next election, the dumb voters will vote for him again, because the people he served will promote him as a lesser evil again by offering an even worse alternative.

    In other words, the way things are shaping up, if the planet survives till the next US election, Hillary is likely to be again the opposition candidate. Given such impossible choice, I would still have to vote for the war criminal who warned his victims two hours before killing them, than vote for a war criminal who kills without compunction. To understand this think of the Serbian TV station that Clinton hit in 1999 by a Tomahawk missile killing 16 civilians: TV technicians, face makeup artists, cleaners, janitor and similar staff. And if I abstain from voting somebody else will vote for the lesser evil and Trump will be elected again anyway, because he killed for the Establishment.

    I will address the issue of the missing Tomahawks in my next comment.

    This is real synicsim ;, American people can vote politicians who will do what they campaigned, all the American people need to do is to ban private donations in elections and to make all elections public funded only. Americans need to mobilze like anti-Vietnam war for the election reform and overhaul. If Americans do not do that then they are the willing partners of the current evil war criminal empire.

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  160. @Diversity Heretic
    Nuclear weapons should probably be reserved for ethnostates such as North Korea, China and Russia (although I'd personally be comfortable with Japanese acquisition of nukes). I increasingly favor nuclear disarmament for the U.S., France and Great Britain.

    The “dummies in DC” have got it well figured-out: A true superpower fights its wars thousands of miles away from its shores. Aspiring superpowers, Russia and China also want that capability but are as yet a long way from attaining it: America is strong enough to block their path to becoming true superpowers.
    The biggest tragedy in the world today is that Japan, South Korea and Europe are willingly acting as lambs to be taken to the slaughterhouse of wars waged by a selfish US, bent on maintaining its exceptional superpower position at all costs. For America, in the final analysis, sacrificing its dearest friends and allies is an acceptable price to pay to protect its shores. Leaders of East Asian and European countries have a lot to explain to their peoples for the existential situation their countries find themselves in the present show of American military muscle in the Middle East and the Korean Peninsular. By letting an entirely self-interested America take care of their defense needs, Europe and East Asia have made themselves dispensable to the US doctrine of protecting America by fighting wars at the greatest possible distance from its shores.
    The best thing that can happen to bring about a balanced power structure to the world today, is for Japan, South Korea and Germany ridding themselves of US tutelage by becoming nuclear powers as quickly as possible.
    A new independent leadership in Europe and East Asia is sorely needed.

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  161. Kiza says:
    @Gleimhart
    Please show me a country where most people are not largely ignorant of relevant matters. Please do. I want to know what country this may be. Where are these awesomely informed populations?

    The whole world is full of dullards and easy-to-fool sheep, you shit-wit. That includes whatever useless piece of crap country YOU call home.

    You're calling Americans stupid, while "The Saker" thinks that a movie actor that's been dead for 40 years is some sort of American male prototype. Mind you, Putin is the one that likes getting his picture taken with his shirt off. Most White American men look more manly than that sad sight, and "The Saker" seems to have nothing to say about such pseudo macho posing from his KGB hero.

    So come one. Tell me what country YOU call home, so I can give you a laundry list of things that make YOUR people as dumb as stumps.

    Your reaction is so telling. Out of two things that I wrote about the majority of US people (which definitely does not mean all):
    1) that they are morally bankrupt/sick, and
    2) that they are dumb,
    you, of course, select only the second one and completely skipped the first one. It just happens that my strong priority is the first one, because it is much easier to argue and prove than the second one and because the first one is fundamental whilst the second one is relative. I believe that your choice indirectly proves my points about the majority of US people that you obviously belong to.

    Naturally, I am not going to grace you with a detailed discussion that you do not deserve, because of the above reason. I wish to continue the discussion about free market with MarkinLA and all these other guys who sided with him. Unlike you, I respect those guys who criticised my opinion on free market, thus they deserve a response, just I have no time to respond right now. Sorry guys.

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  162. Avery says:
    @Parbes
    "What would the world, or Americans, or anyone, think if Putin announced similar 'punishment' of all attacks on 'innocents'?"

    Actually, Putin should do exactly that. Starting with the deliberate slaughter of civilians in Yemen by the U.S.' Saudi ally; of Kurdish civilians in Southeastern Turkey and Northern Syria by the U.S. NATO ally Erdogan; of Palestinian civilians by the U.S. ally Israel; and of Syrian civilians by the U.S.-supported-and-armed jihadi "moderate rebels". To say nothing of the U.S.' own ongoing slaughter of civilians in a dozen places - including Syria - in bombings, drone attacks, etc. Russian media should be playing this up constantly. Russian government spokesmen (and Putin himself) should be holding up photos of dead civilians at the U.N. and similar places, condemning these callous attacks on civilians by the U.S., its allies and proxies, and solemnly promising "severe consequences". THAT is how you get otherwise ignorant "international public opinion" behind you.

    But the problem is - Putin and his foreign policy team are weak, timid and pusillanimous. They continue to call the U.S. neocon/Deep State/Anglo-Zio establishment - who are actual usurpers of the U.S.' formal constitutional order, and criminal psychopaths to boot - "partners", and to hope for "cooperation in the fight against international terrorism" (!) from them.

    {Putin and his foreign policy team are weak, timid and pusillanimous. }

    Putin & Co are not pusillanimous: they are parsimonious with their resources.

    Russia has a population of about 145 million (tax base).
    US alone has 320 million.
    Plus add the Anglo-American block (Canada, England, Australia, New Zealand) and Western European satraps of US, and more.
    All their economies and wealth are the disposal of US & Co.

    At the UN Russia is usually alone: China did not join Russia in vetoing the latest anti-Syria resolution. US, UK, France, on the other hand regularly vote in lock-step as permanent members. China should be shoulder to shoulder with Russia at the UNSC, but often isn’t.

    Russian economy was badly shaken by the financial assaults US engineered a couple of years ago, with sanctions, assaults on the Ruble, the collapse of the oil price.
    Russia withstood the assaults and has been re-engineering its finances, economy, and agriculture to be less dependent on the West.
    These things take time.

    Russia is staying the course in Syria: that’s what counts.
    Russia has neither the resources nor the ability to punish the Neocon criminals.

    All the levers of controlling the world today are at the hands of US & Co.
    The reserve currency is the US $; several of the largest economies of the world (Germany, France, Japan,…) are vassals of US and do as they are told to advance US interests; US & Co are masters of deception and propaganda (Russians have no Hollywood….) and on, and on.
    The kangaroo court at the Hague is controlled by US & Co.
    Russia has none of those levers.

    So Putin & Co know their limits and are very prudently not overextending themselves. And Putin & Co calling Neocon war criminals “partners” is part of the game: Putin knows who they really are; US knows that Putin knows who they really are; and Putin knows US knows.

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  163. Tad says:

    Satellite photos show more than 23 hits. The Russians lied again.

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Truth is the first casualty in war, so it's natural that all parties are lying.

    In any event, that's what the articles I linked to previously were arguing for. See here and here.

    I'd be also happy if someone engaged these articles (perhaps they are propaganda lies, who knows?), but I usually assume US military capabilities are high and Russian capabilities are much lower, until proven otherwise.
  164. reiner Tor says: • Website
    @Tad
    Satellite photos show more than 23 hits. The Russians lied again.

    Truth is the first casualty in war, so it’s natural that all parties are lying.

    In any event, that’s what the articles I linked to previously were arguing for. See here and here.

    I’d be also happy if someone engaged these articles (perhaps they are propaganda lies, who knows?), but I usually assume US military capabilities are high and Russian capabilities are much lower, until proven otherwise.

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    • Replies: @Kiza
    Raytheon and its trolls must be getting desperate if they are activating the same Israelis who claimed that Patriot missiles shot down 99% of Saddam's Scuds during the First US Aggression on Iraq (aka Gulf War I). It took some US experts (I believe from MIT) to dispel the Raytheon's marketing bull. This claim of 58 missiles hitting target is very similar. BTW, the number could not be all 59 because Syrians published in image of one Tomahawk in some field, far away from the targeted airport.

    All such reports are valid as much as the Patriot efficiency claim. But many US dummies will believe them.
  165. Skeptikal says:
    @Parbes
    "What would the world, or Americans, or anyone, think if Putin announced similar 'punishment' of all attacks on 'innocents'?"

    Actually, Putin should do exactly that. Starting with the deliberate slaughter of civilians in Yemen by the U.S.' Saudi ally; of Kurdish civilians in Southeastern Turkey and Northern Syria by the U.S. NATO ally Erdogan; of Palestinian civilians by the U.S. ally Israel; and of Syrian civilians by the U.S.-supported-and-armed jihadi "moderate rebels". To say nothing of the U.S.' own ongoing slaughter of civilians in a dozen places - including Syria - in bombings, drone attacks, etc. Russian media should be playing this up constantly. Russian government spokesmen (and Putin himself) should be holding up photos of dead civilians at the U.N. and similar places, condemning these callous attacks on civilians by the U.S., its allies and proxies, and solemnly promising "severe consequences". THAT is how you get otherwise ignorant "international public opinion" behind you.

    But the problem is - Putin and his foreign policy team are weak, timid and pusillanimous. They continue to call the U.S. neocon/Deep State/Anglo-Zio establishment - who are actual usurpers of the U.S.' formal constitutional order, and criminal psychopaths to boot - "partners", and to hope for "cooperation in the fight against international terrorism" (!) from them.

    I agree. Putin or Putin proxies should do exactly that.
    My own question was basically rhetorical.
    Putin should counter such “innocents” nonsense with pictures held up for the media at the UN.

    No to mention people held illegally, protesters gassed, black citizens beaten, etc. within the USA.

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    • Replies: @Ace
    ** black citizens beaten **

    It is mandatory for police. I myself participate with other citizen militias in this sport when our sports programs are unavailable on TV.
  166. Skeptikal says:
    @iffen
    If I sign your petition, can you assure me that a Zionist controlled Deep State death squad is not going to show up looking for me?

    I'm thinking about signing, just need a little confidence building that it's safe.

    I signed.
    Least I can do . . .

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    • Replies: @RobinG
    Thanks for signing.

    If you wanted to do a little more than "the least," you could share with all your contacts. Maybe you already have. But a friend and I were discussing how to ask, since there's either a) resistance to 'petitioning' Trump for anything, or b) resistance to 'petitioning' in general (like Chaban and others who prefer lying down in a puddle of defeatist sanctimonium).

    Instead of "Please Sign..." we kicked around -

    "Sound off....."
    "Give a piece of your mind..."

    Maybe you can suggest something more Madison Ave. to motivate....
    Anyway, just reading this paragraph might stir a few brain cells:

    "US support of Syrian rebel factions has enlarged and intensified the conflict to the detriment of Syrian civilians. An escalation of hostilities with the Syrian Government risks a broader regional war including confrontation with Russia. This conflict is not in the interest of the American people and further, military strikes against a sovereign nation without a declaration of war is a war crime under international law, and in violation of the Constitution. Immediately cease all hostilities against the Syrian Government including airstrikes and the equipping and training of Syrian rebels."

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/cease-military-intervention-and-involvement-syria
  167. Skeptikal says:
    @Gleimhart
    Well if we're going to hold grudges then what shall we do with the fact that Russia made everyone nervous for most of the 20th century?

    Again, I remind you, the KGB did huge damage to the United States, and the crap of a country we're now left with is something not only WE have to deal with, but it's also boomeranged back on Russia. If they had let us be, we wouldn't be so screwed up now, and they'd be having a much easier time of it.

    Actions have consequences. The Russians need to come to terms with the monumental civilizational damage they have caused, and "The Saker" needs to quit these phony portrayals of Russian awesomeness and innocence at the hands the bad Americans.

    KGB did huge damage to the USA. . .

    Gleimhart, what are you smoking?
    Pray, be more specific.

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  168. bluedog says:
    @Mark Presco
    Maybe I’m dense but I have tried to follow your thread on Libertarianism and I can’t figure out what you are talking about. Some snide comments that may mean something to you, but have no meaning to me. I haven’t heard one cogent argument from any of you.

    Are you totally anti-corporate? Do Bill’s remarks have something to do with conservative Christianity?

    For all of its faults, corporate America has helped provide Americans with one the highest standards of living in the history of the world. Sure there have been problems, but you haven’t provided a cogent solution. Everything everyone else has tried has been far worse.

    My concept of Libertarianism is simply maximizing individual freedoms. This allows the cream to rise resulting in maximizing individual achievements.

    The issues you anti-libertarianists have come up with don’t even begin to convince me that we should throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    The one caveat I have with Libertarianism is that it only works in white cultures. Only white men demonstrate the individual responsibility necessary to make it work. Importing black slaves, third world labor or outsourcing jobs screw it all up.

    Yes it did provide the highest standard of living at the expense of the rest of the world, but where is our standard of living now, gone baby gone for we are now reaping what we sowed chaos..

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    Ah, the victim card.

    The greater truth is that the economic engines of Western Civilization have improved the lives of everyone in the world. The science, technology and medicine have made us all wealthier than we were 200 years ago.

    For 500 years we have been showing the world how it’s done, but except for Japan, China, South Korea and a handful other Asian nations, the rest of the world is not getting it.

    There is absolutely no excuse for the fact that the rest of the world has failed to forge themselves into first world countries. Because of this they victimize us all. They are not part of the “International Community” responsible for helping the truly needy, but chronically in need of help themselves.

    The chaos you asserted is caused by fact that the only thing they have figured out to do is elbow their way into white cultures, dump themselves on white men and demand that white men provide it for them. If we don’t do this for them to their satisfaction, we are demonized as racist, Nazis, fascists etc. The only possible explanation there can be for racial inequality is white male privilege.

    I’ll repeat myself. White cultures cannot function properly without a high degree of individual responsibility. Not only do Libertarian ideals fail, but the comprehensive social welfare system we have constructed collapses when parasites take more from the system than they contribute to it.
  169. Art says:
    @L.K
    Art goes: "Looks like the Trump cruise missile attack on Syria was pure political genius. Was it intended – was it planned out? Who knows – but it was effective. It changed the political landscape in America."

    Sigh. Art, what this imbecile, this war criminal, Trump, has done, is painted himself into a corner.
    He's surrendered in 3 months, worse than Obama.

    Sigh. Art, what this imbecile, this war criminal, Trump, has done, is painted himself into a corner.
    He’s surrendered in 3 months, worse than Obama.

    I agree 100% – but he has taken the “Russian poodle” story off his back.

    His bombing Syria, stopped the fevered pitch of the Jew MSM, regarding Russia and the US election.

    Peace — Art

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    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    "His bombing Syria, stopped the fevered pitch of the Jew MSM, regarding Russia and the US election."

    Yes.
    For now.
  170. Agent76 says:
    @alexander
    Hi Agent 76,

    I remember very well when Wesley Clark spilled the beans on the entire neocon agenda...it seems so long ago...yet everything he stated has coming to pass...

    Out of curiosity, what are the steps you take to post a you tube video on Unz.com ?

    All you need is the youtube link as all have and the information provided by the producer as well is all I do. Press play and put your cursor over the video when playing and you should see a box on the lower right hand side that says youtube and click direct for entering it and obtaining the information included. I hope this is clear enough. Be blessed and enjoy!

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    • Replies: @RobinG
    That's interesting. I just copy the url from the toolbar and paste it in the comment. Then do the same with caption.
  171. @reiner Tor
    The fifth reason: all 59 hit target, just for whatever reasons the Russians claim only 23, and the Americans for whatever reasons don't deny it.

    Reason six: those other missiles were intended for other targets and they are still classified. Since trump informed russia of the plan before hand, it could all be kept quiet untill a later time.

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  172. Kiza says:
    @Bill
    Perhaps because he is not infected with terminal methodological individualism?

    You two gentlemen obviously missed the US election campaign, in which Hillary claimed that she and Chelsey were under sniper fire at Sarajevo Airport and claimed that she singlehandedly convinced Billy-Pants-Down to bomb the evil Serbs. This claim most obviously would include the evil TV station and its staff, although Hillary was not involved in choosing individual civilian targets such included schools, hospitals and trains, the usual US humanitarian treat.

    In US, if a war criminal is born every minute. Then why would anyone be surprised that after US killed half-million Syrians through a proxy war on behalf of Israel, Trump would with tears in his eyes directly kill another 12 or 15 Syrians?

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    • Replies: @Rurik

    In US, if a war criminal is born every minute.
     
    for the record


    https://meanwhileinoz.com.au/2017/04/australia-welcomes-missile-attack-syria/
  173. RobinG says:
    @Agent76
    All you need is the youtube link as all have and the information provided by the producer as well is all I do. Press play and put your cursor over the video when playing and you should see a box on the lower right hand side that says youtube and click direct for entering it and obtaining the information included. I hope this is clear enough. Be blessed and enjoy!

    That’s interesting. I just copy the url from the toolbar and paste it in the comment. Then do the same with caption.

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    • Replies: @Agent76
    Well, RobinG this also allows you view all of the channels videos as well to find out if they are a real good source of information and if they actually know a thing or two about what they produce. I just like to be sure I am not sharing propaganda and evaluate what I share and match it to what I know is factual by being a book reader. Thank you for your time and comment and be blessed!
  174. Svigor says:

    Please show me a country where most people are not largely ignorant of relevant matters. Please do. I want to know what country this may be. Where are these awesomely informed populations?

    The whole world is full of dullards and easy-to-fool sheep, you shit-wit. That includes whatever useless piece of crap country YOU call home.

    Amen.

    Europeans do have a leg up on Americans. A big part of this is the nature of the countries involved (it makes a lot more sense to worry about foreign affairs when foreign countries are a so much bigger part of your world). But a lot of people really really exaggerate the disparity because envy. Also, people who speak a second language (which is usually English) tend to be more educated, so their opinions are heard by English-speakers more.

    Tell me what country YOU call home

    That is almost never on the menu.

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    • Replies: @Rurik

    But a lot of people really really exaggerate the disparity because envy.
     
    I don't think it's because of envy

    I think it's because of two things..

    one is that it's America that is the frothing bully who is acting as the Zio-rabid dog terrorizing the planet on behalf of Israel. It's easier to blame the Zio-dog, than to blame its master, because no one can call you an anti-Semite for heaping scourge upon Donald Trump and his deplorables, (who voted for him to get us out of the wars ; )

    and the other thing is the chest-beating, USA!, USA! chanting 'exceptional" people who turn the rest of the planet's stomach with their bold, arrogant ignorance as a badge of pride.

    we're often guilty of the latter, but we're innocent of the former, at least as innocent as any other nation who is under the thrall of the Zio/Rothschild/Fiend. (all of Europe and Scandinavia and Japan and Australia and so many others)
  175. Svigor says:

    Didn’t mean to say “really really” there. Just “really.” Could’ve left both off, to be honest.

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  176. RobinG says:
    @Skeptikal
    I signed.
    Least I can do . . .

    Thanks for signing.

    If you wanted to do a little more than “the least,” you could share with all your contacts. Maybe you already have. But a friend and I were discussing how to ask, since there’s either a) resistance to ‘petitioning’ Trump for anything, or b) resistance to ‘petitioning’ in general (like Chaban and others who prefer lying down in a puddle of defeatist sanctimonium).

    Instead of “Please Sign…” we kicked around -

    “Sound off…..”
    “Give a piece of your mind…”

    Maybe you can suggest something more Madison Ave. to motivate….
    Anyway, just reading this paragraph might stir a few brain cells:

    “US support of Syrian rebel factions has enlarged and intensified the conflict to the detriment of Syrian civilians. An escalation of hostilities with the Syrian Government risks a broader regional war including confrontation with Russia. This conflict is not in the interest of the American people and further, military strikes against a sovereign nation without a declaration of war is a war crime under international law, and in violation of the Constitution. Immediately cease all hostilities against the Syrian Government including airstrikes and the equipping and training of Syrian rebels.”

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/cease-military-intervention-and-involvement-syria

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  177. Mark Presco says: • Website
    @bluedog
    Yes it did provide the highest standard of living at the expense of the rest of the world, but where is our standard of living now, gone baby gone for we are now reaping what we sowed chaos..

    Ah, the victim card.

    The greater truth is that the economic engines of Western Civilization have improved the lives of everyone in the world. The science, technology and medicine have made us all wealthier than we were 200 years ago.

    For 500 years we have been showing the world how it’s done, but except for Japan, China, South Korea and a handful other Asian nations, the rest of the world is not getting it.

    There is absolutely no excuse for the fact that the rest of the world has failed to forge themselves into first world countries. Because of this they victimize us all. They are not part of the “International Community” responsible for helping the truly needy, but chronically in need of help themselves.

    The chaos you asserted is caused by fact that the only thing they have figured out to do is elbow their way into white cultures, dump themselves on white men and demand that white men provide it for them. If we don’t do this for them to their satisfaction, we are demonized as racist, Nazis, fascists etc. The only possible explanation there can be for racial inequality is white male privilege.

    I’ll repeat myself. White cultures cannot function properly without a high degree of individual responsibility. Not only do Libertarian ideals fail, but the comprehensive social welfare system we have constructed collapses when parasites take more from the system than they contribute to it.

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    • Agree: Ace
    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    Yes, we're all wealthier now at a time when debt has increased exponentially. Don't you just love 21st Century economics? All those gleaming American cities with state of the art industry and infrastructure, they have never looked better I have to admit. Another good bit is that it is now possible to eat a slice of delicious Black Forrest cake and find it still there after you've finished eating it. Truly amazing stuff indeed.
  178. Agent76 says:
    @RobinG
    That's interesting. I just copy the url from the toolbar and paste it in the comment. Then do the same with caption.

    Well, RobinG this also allows you view all of the channels videos as well to find out if they are a real good source of information and if they actually know a thing or two about what they produce. I just like to be sure I am not sharing propaganda and evaluate what I share and match it to what I know is factual by being a book reader. Thank you for your time and comment and be blessed!

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  179. Parbes says:

    This is just mental defeatism and a loser attitude. Read again what I wrote in my comment above, about swaying international public opinion. What Russia and others targeted by the U.S. need to do, above all, is to pull out the rug of hypocritical false moral righteousness arising from contrived, one-sided, exaggerated, double standard-laden “atrocity indignation”, from under the U.S. warmongering elite targeting them.

    The U.S. neocon/Anglo-Zionist/globalist/Deep State policymakers are in fact very vulnerable to international public opinion – including ESPECIALLY U.S. and Western public opinion – PROVIDED it can be galvanized against them, since in reality they constitute a numerically small, oligarchic class of power elites within their own society. They actually derive their greatest power not from the economic or military assets they command, but from the psycho-emotional and informational hold they have over public opinion (domestic AND global) through their unchallenged narratives full of self-serving lies and emotionally-charged propaganda. International public opinion is mesmerized and conditioned by the Western globalist MSM’s narrative and “version of events & issues”, which serves the global hegemony agenda of U.S. elites. In the case of the current Syrian conflict, for example, the vast majority of citizens in the U.S. and all of those “advanced allied nations” that you listed would normally NOT support or condone a Syria where Islamic sharia law and oppressive Islamofundies emerge triumphant and turn the place into a shithole. But the vast majority of said citizens are also insufficiently informed, naive and trusting of Western leaders and MSM; and the issue is presented to them in HUMANITARIAN, EMOTIONAL and “DEMOCRATIST” terms, instead of what it is – a brutal jihadi rebellion, invasion and warfare against a sovereign secular government that is disliked by the U.S. power elites and their Islamic/Zionist allies. They are whipped up into absurd and totally inappropriate emotional hysteria against Russia, Syria, Assad, Putin, Gaddafi, Milosevic, Saddam, etc. etc.

    Putin and other Russian government figures talking drily at the UN and other international fora about “international law” and how “the U.S. has overstepped its bounds” – while at the same time calling U.S. politico-military leaders “partners” and offering to “cooperate” with them, even as they publicly bluster, insult, demonize and threaten Russia – doesn’t cut it; it is ineffective and weak. They need to address global public opinion at an EMOTIONAL level. They should be constantly hammering home that the U.S. and its Middle East allies are allied with, helping and sponsoring Islamic jihadi terrorists attacking countries and killing people. They should be displaying WITH IMAGES and condemning constantly IN CLEAR UNAMBIGUOUS LANGUAGE, the fact that the U.S. government, together with its allied regimes and their terrorist proxies, is killing civilians and committing atrocities all the time while accusing the other side of doing it.

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    • Replies: @Zzz
    Well, this is sort of what they doing at some extend. All this fuss about russian propoganda. Control of narrative is just disproportional. And talk to who? These who are Bad guys sort of aware. Good guys like their story more.

    About partners and cooperation, It's more Putin's quirk and can be interpreted differently actually, at least in russian. But basicaly we do not have another planet, and, if we do not consider mutual destruction as viable, no one will dissapear anywere and we kind of need to live together somehow anyway.
    , @utu
    When observing the ineptness and indolence of Russia's media and propaganda the defeatism is unavoidable.
  180. Rurik says:
    @Kiza
    You two gentlemen obviously missed the US election campaign, in which Hillary claimed that she and Chelsey were under sniper fire at Sarajevo Airport and claimed that she singlehandedly convinced Billy-Pants-Down to bomb the evil Serbs. This claim most obviously would include the evil TV station and its staff, although Hillary was not involved in choosing individual civilian targets such included schools, hospitals and trains, the usual US humanitarian treat.

    In US, if a war criminal is born every minute. Then why would anyone be surprised that after US killed half-million Syrians through a proxy war on behalf of Israel, Trump would with tears in his eyes directly kill another 12 or 15 Syrians?

    In US, if a war criminal is born every minute.

    for the record

    https://meanwhileinoz.com.au/2017/04/australia-welcomes-missile-attack-syria/

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    • Replies: @Kiza
    I learned not to take such statements too much to heart. It has been a long standing policy of both parties in Australia to lick the war criminal US ass and to participate in the US crimes on occasions. Most Australians are against such policies, but prefer "do not ask do not tell".

    To the credit of the ex-Goldman-Sachs mega crook currently serving as a Prime Minister of Australia (the mug in the photo to the article you linked to), he still appears to respects the law in general. I am referring to the case of MH17 in which a high number of Australians were killed. Despite attempts of US and its coalition of puppets to pin MH17 on Russia even at the International Court of Justice without a shred of legal-grade evidence, Australia resisted and appears to be aiming for the Ukrainian Government instead. In the media, the mega-crook PM still keeps repeating the US mantra that Russia shot-down MH17, but the Australian legal team appears oriented at blaming Ukraine for "using MH17 passengers as human shields during military operations".

    The second impressive feat was when the Australian Government terminated all contributions to the Clinton Foundation on Nov 9, 2016.

    Therefore, such public declarations of support to the US criminal of the day are shameful but unavoidable. I am much more worried about some Australian Government and opposition officials who are getting carried away in their servitude and are trying to punch up China. I cannot imagine China ever attacking Australia first, unless Australia initiates a dust up.

    , @Kiza
    Rurik, in addition to Julian Assange and John Pilger, here is another Australian journalistic legend that most Australians are immensely proud of: John Helmer. His most interesting summary of Tillerson recent visit to Russia to deliver the US ultimatum: "Get out of Syria or else ..." http://johnhelmer.net/capitulation-rex-tillerson-authorizes-us-hacking-against-russian-war-targets-us-television-demands-sergei-lavrov-speak-in-english/#more-17451
  181. Rurik says:
    @Svigor

    Please show me a country where most people are not largely ignorant of relevant matters. Please do. I want to know what country this may be. Where are these awesomely informed populations?

    The whole world is full of dullards and easy-to-fool sheep, you shit-wit. That includes whatever useless piece of crap country YOU call home.
     
    Amen.

    Europeans do have a leg up on Americans. A big part of this is the nature of the countries involved (it makes a lot more sense to worry about foreign affairs when foreign countries are a so much bigger part of your world). But a lot of people really really exaggerate the disparity because envy. Also, people who speak a second language (which is usually English) tend to be more educated, so their opinions are heard by English-speakers more.

    Tell me what country YOU call home
     
    That is almost never on the menu.

    But a lot of people really really exaggerate the disparity because envy.

    I don’t think it’s because of envy

    I think it’s because of two things..

    one is that it’s America that is the frothing bully who is acting as the Zio-rabid dog terrorizing the planet on behalf of Israel. It’s easier to blame the Zio-dog, than to blame its master, because no one can call you an anti-Semite for heaping scourge upon Donald Trump and his deplorables, (who voted for him to get us out of the wars ; )

    and the other thing is the chest-beating, USA!, USA! chanting ‘exceptional” people who turn the rest of the planet’s stomach with their bold, arrogant ignorance as a badge of pride.

    we’re often guilty of the latter, but we’re innocent of the former, at least as innocent as any other nation who is under the thrall of the Zio/Rothschild/Fiend. (all of Europe and Scandinavia and Japan and Australia and so many others)

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    • Replies: @Ace
    ** bold, arrogant ignorance as a badge of pride **

    That applies also to the Swedish, French, German, and Dutch governments as well as the EU leadership, Frans Timmermans in particular.
  182. @RadicalCenter
    Nuclear disarmament might be a good idea for the U.K. and France, just to prevent those nukes from falling into the hands of Muslims as the countries turn majority Muslim. Sad to contemplate that prospect.

    The USA? Well, I'm American, and I doubt we'd be able to deter much more populous powers forever without our nukes, so I can't go for that here.

    Deter more populous powers from what? Invasion across two oceans? Don’t think you need nuclear weapons for that. Defense from Mexican invasion is a matter of political will, not military capability.

    I too am an American and used to do some work involving the Department of Energy’s nuclear weapons’ facilities. I was a big believer in maintaining the nuclear capability. But when I see the demographic changes that will almost certainly happen later this century, I am increasingly concerned about very dangerous weapons being turned over to a society increasingly dominated by excitable Negroes, dull-witted Mestizos and clannish Asians. I think that they’d be more likely used in a civil war than deterring foreign aggression. In addition, in the last week, I’ve begun to doubt the rationality of present-day American leaders. I’d prefer global nuclear disarmament (yes, I know it makes the world safe for conventional war, I used to make precisely that argument) but unilateral American nuclear disarmament may be the next-best choice for the U.S.

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    • Agree: bluedog
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "But when I see the demographic changes that will almost certainly happen later this century, I am increasingly concerned about very dangerous weapons being turned over to a society increasingly dominated by excitable Negroes, dull-witted Mestizos and clannish Asians."

    Or psychopathic white Europeans.

    "I’d prefer global nuclear disarmament (yes, I know it makes the world safe for conventional war, I used to make precisely that argument) but unilateral American nuclear disarmament may be the next-best choice for the U.S."

    The U.S. is NOT going to give up their nuclear weapons. Because vibrants.
  183. Zzz says:
    @Parbes
    This is just mental defeatism and a loser attitude. Read again what I wrote in my comment above, about swaying international public opinion. What Russia and others targeted by the U.S. need to do, above all, is to pull out the rug of hypocritical false moral righteousness arising from contrived, one-sided, exaggerated, double standard-laden "atrocity indignation", from under the U.S. warmongering elite targeting them.

    The U.S. neocon/Anglo-Zionist/globalist/Deep State policymakers are in fact very vulnerable to international public opinion - including ESPECIALLY U.S. and Western public opinion - PROVIDED it can be galvanized against them, since in reality they constitute a numerically small, oligarchic class of power elites within their own society. They actually derive their greatest power not from the economic or military assets they command, but from the psycho-emotional and informational hold they have over public opinion (domestic AND global) through their unchallenged narratives full of self-serving lies and emotionally-charged propaganda. International public opinion is mesmerized and conditioned by the Western globalist MSM's narrative and "version of events & issues", which serves the global hegemony agenda of U.S. elites. In the case of the current Syrian conflict, for example, the vast majority of citizens in the U.S. and all of those "advanced allied nations" that you listed would normally NOT support or condone a Syria where Islamic sharia law and oppressive Islamofundies emerge triumphant and turn the place into a shithole. But the vast majority of said citizens are also insufficiently informed, naive and trusting of Western leaders and MSM; and the issue is presented to them in HUMANITARIAN, EMOTIONAL and "DEMOCRATIST" terms, instead of what it is - a brutal jihadi rebellion, invasion and warfare against a sovereign secular government that is disliked by the U.S. power elites and their Islamic/Zionist allies. They are whipped up into absurd and totally inappropriate emotional hysteria against Russia, Syria, Assad, Putin, Gaddafi, Milosevic, Saddam, etc. etc.

    Putin and other Russian government figures talking drily at the UN and other international fora about "international law" and how "the U.S. has overstepped its bounds" - while at the same time calling U.S. politico-military leaders "partners" and offering to "cooperate" with them, even as they publicly bluster, insult, demonize and threaten Russia - doesn't cut it; it is ineffective and weak. They need to address global public opinion at an EMOTIONAL level. They should be constantly hammering home that the U.S. and its Middle East allies are allied with, helping and sponsoring Islamic jihadi terrorists attacking countries and killing people. They should be displaying WITH IMAGES and condemning constantly IN CLEAR UNAMBIGUOUS LANGUAGE, the fact that the U.S. government, together with its allied regimes and their terrorist proxies, is killing civilians and committing atrocities all the time while accusing the other side of doing it.

    Well, this is sort of what they doing at some extend. All this fuss about russian propoganda. Control of narrative is just disproportional. And talk to who? These who are Bad guys sort of aware. Good guys like their story more.

    About partners and cooperation, It’s more Putin’s quirk and can be interpreted differently actually, at least in russian. But basicaly we do not have another planet, and, if we do not consider mutual destruction as viable, no one will dissapear anywere and we kind of need to live together somehow anyway.

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  184. Sean says:

    Trump is apparently cucking his supporters by refusing to be little tin god Putin’s girlfriend.

    I would note that those who say that the Russian air defense systems did not work don’t know what they are talking about. Not only did Russia sign an agreement with the US not to interfere with US flight operations,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2NxwHIDTUA

    The anti-drunkenness campaign comes home to roost. Russians need vodka, then they don’t give two shites what they blow up (like the inebriated bosses of Chernobyl’s plant plant deciding to disconnect the safety system to relieve their boredom)..

    And now Trump has betrayed HIMSELF by turning against everything he, himself, stood for. This is almost Shakespearean in its pathetic and tragic aspects!

    Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
    and thus the native hue of Resolution
    Is sicklied o’er, with the pale cast of Thought,
    And enterprises of great pitch and moment,
    with this regard their Currents turn awry,
    And lose the name of Action. Soft you now,
    The fair Ophelia? Nymph, in thy Orisons
    Be all my sins remember’d

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  185. Duglarri says:

    Saker, there is a policy Russia could adopt that would be low-cost and might just work: they should ally themselves with the American people- and say so.

    The last time someone tried seriously to involve the US in a war with Assad, the people basically rose up and said, “eff that!” Obama couldn’t even get a vote on the matter, the idea was so toxic. It’s still toxic.

    The Russian line should be, “Americans- you are being tricked by Al Queda.” They should be overt in appealing to the fact that Americans do not want to fight either Syria or them.

    They should point out as often as necessary that those who want the US to depose Assad are proposing that the US should ally with Al Queda.

    They should ask US representatives, “what if we do abandon Assad? What comes next?”

    What will happen then? Are the Americans ready for 10 million more refugees?

    Are the Israelis ready for 3000 tanks under Al Queda/ISIS command on the border of Israel- or possibly, sweeping into Saudi Arabia?

    Russia should endlessly hammer away at the fact that Americans don’t want any war, and that the side the neocons have picked to join is Al Queda.

    It’s not much but it just might work.

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  186. Skeptikal says:
    @Art
    Sigh. Art, what this imbecile, this war criminal, Trump, has done, is painted himself into a corner.
    He’s surrendered in 3 months, worse than Obama.


    I agree 100% - but he has taken the "Russian poodle" story off his back.

    His bombing Syria, stopped the fevered pitch of the Jew MSM, regarding Russia and the US election.

    Peace --- Art

    “His bombing Syria, stopped the fevered pitch of the Jew MSM, regarding Russia and the US election.”

    Yes.
    For now.

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  187. utu says:
    @Parbes
    This is just mental defeatism and a loser attitude. Read again what I wrote in my comment above, about swaying international public opinion. What Russia and others targeted by the U.S. need to do, above all, is to pull out the rug of hypocritical false moral righteousness arising from contrived, one-sided, exaggerated, double standard-laden "atrocity indignation", from under the U.S. warmongering elite targeting them.

    The U.S. neocon/Anglo-Zionist/globalist/Deep State policymakers are in fact very vulnerable to international public opinion - including ESPECIALLY U.S. and Western public opinion - PROVIDED it can be galvanized against them, since in reality they constitute a numerically small, oligarchic class of power elites within their own society. They actually derive their greatest power not from the economic or military assets they command, but from the psycho-emotional and informational hold they have over public opinion (domestic AND global) through their unchallenged narratives full of self-serving lies and emotionally-charged propaganda. International public opinion is mesmerized and conditioned by the Western globalist MSM's narrative and "version of events & issues", which serves the global hegemony agenda of U.S. elites. In the case of the current Syrian conflict, for example, the vast majority of citizens in the U.S. and all of those "advanced allied nations" that you listed would normally NOT support or condone a Syria where Islamic sharia law and oppressive Islamofundies emerge triumphant and turn the place into a shithole. But the vast majority of said citizens are also insufficiently informed, naive and trusting of Western leaders and MSM; and the issue is presented to them in HUMANITARIAN, EMOTIONAL and "DEMOCRATIST" terms, instead of what it is - a brutal jihadi rebellion, invasion and warfare against a sovereign secular government that is disliked by the U.S. power elites and their Islamic/Zionist allies. They are whipped up into absurd and totally inappropriate emotional hysteria against Russia, Syria, Assad, Putin, Gaddafi, Milosevic, Saddam, etc. etc.

    Putin and other Russian government figures talking drily at the UN and other international fora about "international law" and how "the U.S. has overstepped its bounds" - while at the same time calling U.S. politico-military leaders "partners" and offering to "cooperate" with them, even as they publicly bluster, insult, demonize and threaten Russia - doesn't cut it; it is ineffective and weak. They need to address global public opinion at an EMOTIONAL level. They should be constantly hammering home that the U.S. and its Middle East allies are allied with, helping and sponsoring Islamic jihadi terrorists attacking countries and killing people. They should be displaying WITH IMAGES and condemning constantly IN CLEAR UNAMBIGUOUS LANGUAGE, the fact that the U.S. government, together with its allied regimes and their terrorist proxies, is killing civilians and committing atrocities all the time while accusing the other side of doing it.

    When observing the ineptness and indolence of Russia’s media and propaganda the defeatism is unavoidable.

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    When observing the ineptness and indolence of Russia’s media and propaganda the defeatism is unavoidable.
     
    Propaganda is a simple thing, it's (mostly) an endless and loud repetition of the same message, coming from all directions. I don't think there's much more to it than that, and therefore, as long as western mainstream media is consolidated (and it is, at the moment), it wins.
  188. Parbes says:
    @Avery
    {Putin and his foreign policy team are weak, timid and pusillanimous. }

    Putin & Co are not pusillanimous: they are parsimonious with their resources.

    Russia has a population of about 145 million (tax base).
    US alone has 320 million.
    Plus add the Anglo-American block (Canada, England, Australia, New Zealand) and Western European satraps of US, and more.
    All their economies and wealth are the disposal of US & Co.

    At the UN Russia is usually alone: China did not join Russia in vetoing the latest anti-Syria resolution. US, UK, France, on the other hand regularly vote in lock-step as permanent members. China should be shoulder to shoulder with Russia at the UNSC, but often isn't.

    Russian economy was badly shaken by the financial assaults US engineered a couple of years ago, with sanctions, assaults on the Ruble, the collapse of the oil price.
    Russia withstood the assaults and has been re-engineering its finances, economy, and agriculture to be less dependent on the West.
    These things take time.

    Russia is staying the course in Syria: that's what counts.
    Russia has neither the resources nor the ability to punish the Neocon criminals.

    All the levers of controlling the world today are at the hands of US & Co.
    The reserve currency is the US $; several of the largest economies of the world (Germany, France, Japan,...) are vassals of US and do as they are told to advance US interests; US & Co are masters of deception and propaganda (Russians have no Hollywood....) and on, and on.
    The kangaroo court at the Hague is controlled by US & Co.
    Russia has none of those levers.

    So Putin & Co know their limits and are very prudently not overextending themselves. And Putin & Co calling Neocon war criminals “partners” is part of the game: Putin knows who they really are; US knows that Putin knows who they really are; and Putin knows US knows.

    For my answer: See comment #183.

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  189. @NoseytheDuke
    Agreed, and the same can be said of young men from Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran. Truly it is shameful not to defend one's own country and people. The vast majority of "refugees" are young, single men.

    I know an old guy who has taken in two Iranian "refugee" boarders out of the kindness of his heart. They have suddenly "found" Christianity and are desperately seeking women (with citizenship) to marry ASAP. One dated a Chinese woman briefly but ended it pronto upon discovering that like himself she neither had citizenship nor permanent residency.

    I entirely agree that most of the refugees ought to be on a program which is intended to lead them out of my non-Muslim, non-African country but I wonder about your moral prescription for the young men (and why not women? The Zionists got on to that at least 75 years ago) who don’t stay and fight. “Defend one’s own people”???

    I had 7 years military training (not fulltime) but it’s a long time since I was in the army or air force (briefly the latter to get free flight training) and I can’t quite envisage the typical scenario you have in mind to avoid the shame of not being defenders of one’s country or people. How about “I’m going to Germany to earn enough to buy enough guns and ammunition for the men and young women of my village so know one will be able to mess with us again? “

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    (and why not women? The Zionists got on to that at least 75 years ago)

    Wiz,

    With your undying love of all things Jewish – you must be ecstatic right now.

    Israel is the only happy country on the planet. North and South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, and the Greater ME - are all seething with troubles – but NOT Israel.

    Nuclear US and Russia’s relations are at their lowest point ever – yet Israelis are happy – things are going their way.

    Israel is a country with a political cast system, apartheid walls, summary killings, preventive detention, it shoots children that throw rocks, its government sanctioned land theft, and it jails 10,000 political prisoners.

    How do you explain this oddity – happy Israel – unhappy world?

    How do you explain your exaltation and adoration of Israel?

    Peace --- Art
  190. Kiza says:
    @Rurik

    In US, if a war criminal is born every minute.
     
    for the record


    https://meanwhileinoz.com.au/2017/04/australia-welcomes-missile-attack-syria/

    I learned not to take such statements too much to heart. It has been a long standing policy of both parties in Australia to lick the war criminal US ass and to participate in the US crimes on occasions. Most Australians are against such policies, but prefer “do not ask do not tell”.

    To the credit of the ex-Goldman-Sachs mega crook currently serving as a Prime Minister of Australia (the mug in the photo to the article you linked to), he still appears to respects the law in general. I am referring to the case of MH17 in which a high number of Australians were killed. Despite attempts of US and its coalition of puppets to pin MH17 on Russia even at the International Court of Justice without a shred of legal-grade evidence, Australia resisted and appears to be aiming for the Ukrainian Government instead. In the media, the mega-crook PM still keeps repeating the US mantra that Russia shot-down MH17, but the Australian legal team appears oriented at blaming Ukraine for “using MH17 passengers as human shields during military operations”.

    The second impressive feat was when the Australian Government terminated all contributions to the Clinton Foundation on Nov 9, 2016.

    Therefore, such public declarations of support to the US criminal of the day are shameful but unavoidable. I am much more worried about some Australian Government and opposition officials who are getting carried away in their servitude and are trying to punch up China. I cannot imagine China ever attacking Australia first, unless Australia initiates a dust up.

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    Australia to lick the war criminal US ass and to participate in the US crimes on occasions
     
    as the US politicians lick Israel's ass

    appears to be aiming for the Ukrainian Government instead
     
    good!

    Australian Government terminated all contributions to the Clinton Foundation
     
    amazing

    most Americans I talk to are against the wars but clueless as to most goings on. They're too busy with life's details and just aren't that curious. PCR calls them insouciant. You're very close with Idiocracy. It sure is heading that way, and fast.
    , @unseated
    China does not need to attack Australia. Our top five exports are iron ore, coal, petroleum/gas, higher education and gold. China is 1st or 2nd in the list of importers of all of these. Perhaps real estate is entering the list too.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    GYou certainly have imagination if you can think of any circumstances under which Australia would inititiate a dust up with China. I do agree however that China is most unlikely to attack Australia. I would go further and say that it is No.1 of the status quo powers in the region wrt Australia. It wouldn't want anyone else to disrupt its well run quarry and ag supplier and no other country would want to upset the status quo or allow it to be upset either. Obviously the balance now and for quite a few years to come is in faour of Australia keeping its top 5 or so position as reliable American ally. I think John Howard is/was wrong in his justification of the Iraq war but, so what, he should get credit for a very low cost Iraq cotribution (one soldier dead, accidetally, by his own hand!). And soldiers do need practice with live ammunition aganst real enemies or you have experiences like the Canadians in Rwanda ad the Dutch in Bosnia.

    Why do you call Malcolm Turnbull a criminal? I don't know/can't guess what you are talking about even if you are using the word metaphorically. He made his money mostly out of launching an early ISP Ozemail.

    , @Wizard of Oz
    I was unawate of the Australian representation and representations in the International Court case brought by Ukraine against Russia. Interesting, so I have searched with all the obvious words and can find nothing of interest or relevance apart from a report that Russia's counsel has departed from Russia's script hitherto and basically denied motive rather than supply of weapon. Can you help with a link?
  191. @Monty Ahwazi
    No matter who uses the WMD it is a horrible act and it should be condemned by all countries on this planet! However, there are 4 countries, now 5, which are the victims of WMD in human history and they should have a lot to say about this horrible attacks than the other countries in where chemical weapons are being manufactured and or using them against others:
    1. Japanese cities were attacked by A- bomb and H-bomb
    2. First is Vietnam in where the US used Napalm to setup humane on fire and later the US used agent orange and killed many Vietnamese as well as many American GI's. No one protested against it and if there was no one was listening
    3. Saddam Hossein used mustard gas, which was made in Germany and delivered to Saddam by the CIA, against its own Kurdish citizens and no one said or protested the horrendous attack.
    4. Once again Saddam used the same chemical against the Iranian personnel in 1980 - 1988 and killed many people but no one protested. In fact Reagan, Rumsfeld at that time he was an advisor to Reagan and German chancellor were celebrating over the event
    5. Sarin was used in Syria once following which Assad's chemicals were removed and destroyed. There were some noise and protes around this incident but with no follow up
    6. Now that appears the terrorist in Syria using their chemical, of course mostly enriched with chlorine and water soluble that is why the children were being hosed down with water!
    Bottom line those who manufacture, sell, have used or are using WMD's are not qualified nor credible to have an opinion about others or preaching others. I believe the victim countries of WMD are the only credible countries who can protest and investigate these horrible events or follow up and calling the users as "crime or criminals against humanity" and taking the users representative to the international court!

    Nice first draft. Come back later when you’ve tightened up a bit on facts and logic. Best if you don’t throw in a real doozy of a factual error at the outset if you want to grab and hold your readers.

    No H bomb was detonated till four years after Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed.

    Napalm was an established conventional weapon of war when used in Vietnam – flamethrowers were used in WW1. Agent Orange was a defoliant which had bad side effects on people, including American soldiers, not a weapon

    What makes you say all Assad’s sarin gas was destroyed? Evidence?

    If only victims can investigate and credibly protest actions we now regard as criminal how long does this apply for? As nearly all countries have been associated with slavery at some stage in the last 500 years is it unacceptable for the US, UK, France, Turkey, China etc. to be involved in putting an end to slavery in Sudan and elsewhere?

    Are you suggesting that a country that once suffered one kind of outrage (say atomic bombing) is thereby qualified to protest and be a credible investigator of say a sarin attack? And would that apply despite the record of that countries atrocities?

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  192. Kiza says:
    @reiner Tor
    Truth is the first casualty in war, so it's natural that all parties are lying.

    In any event, that's what the articles I linked to previously were arguing for. See here and here.

    I'd be also happy if someone engaged these articles (perhaps they are propaganda lies, who knows?), but I usually assume US military capabilities are high and Russian capabilities are much lower, until proven otherwise.

    Raytheon and its trolls must be getting desperate if they are activating the same Israelis who claimed that Patriot missiles shot down 99% of Saddam’s Scuds during the First US Aggression on Iraq (aka Gulf War I). It took some US experts (I believe from MIT) to dispel the Raytheon’s marketing bull. This claim of 58 missiles hitting target is very similar. BTW, the number could not be all 59 because Syrians published in image of one Tomahawk in some field, far away from the targeted airport.

    All such reports are valid as much as the Patriot efficiency claim. But many US dummies will believe them.

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  193. Kiza says:
    @Rurik

    In US, if a war criminal is born every minute.
     
    for the record


    https://meanwhileinoz.com.au/2017/04/australia-welcomes-missile-attack-syria/

    Rurik, in addition to Julian Assange and John Pilger, here is another Australian journalistic legend that most Australians are immensely proud of: John Helmer. His most interesting summary of Tillerson recent visit to Russia to deliver the US ultimatum: “Get out of Syria or else …” http://johnhelmer.net/capitulation-rex-tillerson-authorizes-us-hacking-against-russian-war-targets-us-television-demands-sergei-lavrov-speak-in-english/#more-17451

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    Perhaps Australians should be proud of John Helmer but I am sure that you are wrong because in fact very few have heard of him unlike John Pilger and Julian Assange** where it is only the pride in them I doubt. They are well publicised but you have to go looking for Helmer mentions as very little of his income comes from Australia.

    ** I am one of those indignant at what the UK has cooked up for Assange starting with tbe awful Tony Blair's acceptance of European Arrest Warrants.
    , @Rurik
    thanks for the link Kiza

    he seems like a good egg

    the latest from Pilger

    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/04/12/pushing-australia-into-war-with-china/

    "What is it about some Australian politicians whose obsequiousness takes charge of their senses?"

    it isn't just Aussies. They all assume the position and slurp shekels from the CIA $lop trough.

  194. Corvinus says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    Deter more populous powers from what? Invasion across two oceans? Don't think you need nuclear weapons for that. Defense from Mexican invasion is a matter of political will, not military capability.

    I too am an American and used to do some work involving the Department of Energy's nuclear weapons' facilities. I was a big believer in maintaining the nuclear capability. But when I see the demographic changes that will almost certainly happen later this century, I am increasingly concerned about very dangerous weapons being turned over to a society increasingly dominated by excitable Negroes, dull-witted Mestizos and clannish Asians. I think that they'd be more likely used in a civil war than deterring foreign aggression. In addition, in the last week, I've begun to doubt the rationality of present-day American leaders. I'd prefer global nuclear disarmament (yes, I know it makes the world safe for conventional war, I used to make precisely that argument) but unilateral American nuclear disarmament may be the next-best choice for the U.S.

    “But when I see the demographic changes that will almost certainly happen later this century, I am increasingly concerned about very dangerous weapons being turned over to a society increasingly dominated by excitable Negroes, dull-witted Mestizos and clannish Asians.”

    Or psychopathic white Europeans.

    “I’d prefer global nuclear disarmament (yes, I know it makes the world safe for conventional war, I used to make precisely that argument) but unilateral American nuclear disarmament may be the next-best choice for the U.S.”

    The U.S. is NOT going to give up their nuclear weapons. Because vibrants.

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  195. Rurik says:
    @Kiza
    I learned not to take such statements too much to heart. It has been a long standing policy of both parties in Australia to lick the war criminal US ass and to participate in the US crimes on occasions. Most Australians are against such policies, but prefer "do not ask do not tell".

    To the credit of the ex-Goldman-Sachs mega crook currently serving as a Prime Minister of Australia (the mug in the photo to the article you linked to), he still appears to respects the law in general. I am referring to the case of MH17 in which a high number of Australians were killed. Despite attempts of US and its coalition of puppets to pin MH17 on Russia even at the International Court of Justice without a shred of legal-grade evidence, Australia resisted and appears to be aiming for the Ukrainian Government instead. In the media, the mega-crook PM still keeps repeating the US mantra that Russia shot-down MH17, but the Australian legal team appears oriented at blaming Ukraine for "using MH17 passengers as human shields during military operations".

    The second impressive feat was when the Australian Government terminated all contributions to the Clinton Foundation on Nov 9, 2016.

    Therefore, such public declarations of support to the US criminal of the day are shameful but unavoidable. I am much more worried about some Australian Government and opposition officials who are getting carried away in their servitude and are trying to punch up China. I cannot imagine China ever attacking Australia first, unless Australia initiates a dust up.

    Australia to lick the war criminal US ass and to participate in the US crimes on occasions

    as the US politicians lick Israel’s ass

    appears to be aiming for the Ukrainian Government instead

    good!

    Australian Government terminated all contributions to the Clinton Foundation

    amazing

    most Americans I talk to are against the wars but clueless as to most goings on. They’re too busy with life’s details and just aren’t that curious. PCR calls them insouciant. You’re very close with Idiocracy. It sure is heading that way, and fast.

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    I am not sure if either country can be excused for serving the Zionists. Australia does it both directly and indirectly, by serving the US war criminals. I have learned to accept when Australia does it in word rather than in deed. Therefore, the verbal bull to support US and Israel is all in a days job for the worthless scumbags in Canberra. In other words, bullshitting is cheap. But when they send troops to commit war crimes, to Afghanistan, Iraq, or before to Vietnam, that is totally unacceptable. I have done some anti-participation-in-Iraq-war acts of my own. Wish I have done more.

    Thanks for understanding my points, this is why I emphasised that not all US people are amoral imbeciles.
  196. Art says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    I entirely agree that most of the refugees ought to be on a program which is intended to lead them out of my non-Muslim, non-African country but I wonder about your moral prescription for the young men (and why not women? The Zionists got on to that at least 75 years ago) who don't stay and fight. "Defend one's own people"???

    I had 7 years military training (not fulltime) but it's a long time since I was in the army or air force (briefly the latter to get free flight training) and I can't quite envisage the typical scenario you have in mind to avoid the shame of not being defenders of one's country or people. How about "I'm going to Germany to earn enough to buy enough guns and ammunition for the men and young women of my village so know one will be able to mess with us again? "

    (and why not women? The Zionists got on to that at least 75 years ago)

    Wiz,

    With your undying love of all things Jewish – you must be ecstatic right now.

    Israel is the only happy country on the planet. North and South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, and the Greater ME – are all seething with troubles – but NOT Israel.

    Nuclear US and Russia’s relations are at their lowest point ever – yet Israelis are happy – things are going their way.

    Israel is a country with a political cast system, apartheid walls, summary killings, preventive detention, it shoots children that throw rocks, its government sanctioned land theft, and it jails 10,000 political prisoners.

    How do you explain this oddity – happy Israel – unhappy world?

    How do you explain your exaltation and adoration of Israel?

    Peace — Art

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    I'm not sufficiently interested to wander OT to that extent. Besides I have no idea if Israelis (which Israelis?) are happy. It doesn't seem to be in tjeir nature for it to be a lasting condition. Who wants happiness if you can have a good abusive argument anyway. A bit of temporary euphoria, if observed, shoulfn't have too much read into it.
  197. Kiza says:
    @Rurik

    Australia to lick the war criminal US ass and to participate in the US crimes on occasions
     
    as the US politicians lick Israel's ass

    appears to be aiming for the Ukrainian Government instead
     
    good!

    Australian Government terminated all contributions to the Clinton Foundation
     
    amazing

    most Americans I talk to are against the wars but clueless as to most goings on. They're too busy with life's details and just aren't that curious. PCR calls them insouciant. You're very close with Idiocracy. It sure is heading that way, and fast.

    I am not sure if either country can be excused for serving the Zionists. Australia does it both directly and indirectly, by serving the US war criminals. I have learned to accept when Australia does it in word rather than in deed. Therefore, the verbal bull to support US and Israel is all in a days job for the worthless scumbags in Canberra. In other words, bullshitting is cheap. But when they send troops to commit war crimes, to Afghanistan, Iraq, or before to Vietnam, that is totally unacceptable. I have done some anti-participation-in-Iraq-war acts of my own. Wish I have done more.

    Thanks for understanding my points, this is why I emphasised that not all US people are amoral imbeciles.

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    serving the Zionists. Australia does it both directly and indirectly, by serving the US war criminals.
     
    they both take their marching orders from Rothschild, slithering around in London

    but at least Australia is remote enough that it doesn't suffer so much of the strife that the Zio-boyz impose on England or the US.

    Eternal War, exacerbated tribal/ethnic hatreds, Goldman Sachs looting of the economy and the Treasury, perpetual debt slavery, moral sewage, spiritual rot...

    we seem to have no dearth of tikkun olam here in the good ol US of A!

    dumbed down to the point of Kim Kardashian's ass as our royalty

    anyways, we're just a piece in the puzzle. What is happening in England and Sweden and France and the ZUSA - is all headed to the far corners of the planet. Libya got its Rothschild central bank after all. Syria will get its too and then Iran. Russia will get gay parades and have the Russian soul and its heroes mocked and scorned and ridiculed from every organ of the state/media. And with it all will come the provoked and forced ethnic hatreds and strife, [what was it Gen. Wesley Clark said about Serbia's transition into the 21st century to justify the bombing?] .. the looting and the spiritual rot.

    the end game is the “uni-polar world” domination' mentioned at the top of the John Pilger article. That one world government, so that when Rothschild makes a decree, it won't just be the 'Five Eyes" and Germany and France, and the rest of Europe and Scandinavia that will crawl in fealty, but Russia and China too. Rothschild is like an old, senile alpha baboon overlooking his troop (the nations of the planet) with glowering wrath at any who show signs of indifference to his domination. They MUST be made to bow to his {divine} will {literally like Xerxes in that movie}. Rothschild is like the cops that throttled Freddy Grey into ultimate submission. It's the same primitive baboon imperative to see others submit to a dominant human's will, that drives so much of the violence on the streets, and domestic violence, all the way up the food chain to the menopausal old men (and women) who feel the same imperative to see nations (and world leaders) bend to their will, and submit.

    it's been going on from the beginning of time, and will go on well after we're all long gone. But I see no point in pretending that it is anything other than what it is: a primitive, primate, baboon-like need to see others submit to their (alpha baboon-like) domination. Period.

    we may fly around in jets and use touchscreen super computers, but the fingers on those touchscreens are scarcely more evolved than the denizens of the African savannas. And the more convinced they are of their own divinity, the more bloody will be their wrath.

    I'm ranting ...

  198. @Mark Presco
    Ah, the victim card.

    The greater truth is that the economic engines of Western Civilization have improved the lives of everyone in the world. The science, technology and medicine have made us all wealthier than we were 200 years ago.

    For 500 years we have been showing the world how it’s done, but except for Japan, China, South Korea and a handful other Asian nations, the rest of the world is not getting it.

    There is absolutely no excuse for the fact that the rest of the world has failed to forge themselves into first world countries. Because of this they victimize us all. They are not part of the “International Community” responsible for helping the truly needy, but chronically in need of help themselves.

    The chaos you asserted is caused by fact that the only thing they have figured out to do is elbow their way into white cultures, dump themselves on white men and demand that white men provide it for them. If we don’t do this for them to their satisfaction, we are demonized as racist, Nazis, fascists etc. The only possible explanation there can be for racial inequality is white male privilege.

    I’ll repeat myself. White cultures cannot function properly without a high degree of individual responsibility. Not only do Libertarian ideals fail, but the comprehensive social welfare system we have constructed collapses when parasites take more from the system than they contribute to it.

    Yes, we’re all wealthier now at a time when debt has increased exponentially. Don’t you just love 21st Century economics? All those gleaming American cities with state of the art industry and infrastructure, they have never looked better I have to admit. Another good bit is that it is now possible to eat a slice of delicious Black Forrest cake and find it still there after you’ve finished eating it. Truly amazing stuff indeed.

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  199. unseated says:
    @Kiza
    I learned not to take such statements too much to heart. It has been a long standing policy of both parties in Australia to lick the war criminal US ass and to participate in the US crimes on occasions. Most Australians are against such policies, but prefer "do not ask do not tell".

    To the credit of the ex-Goldman-Sachs mega crook currently serving as a Prime Minister of Australia (the mug in the photo to the article you linked to), he still appears to respects the law in general. I am referring to the case of MH17 in which a high number of Australians were killed. Despite attempts of US and its coalition of puppets to pin MH17 on Russia even at the International Court of Justice without a shred of legal-grade evidence, Australia resisted and appears to be aiming for the Ukrainian Government instead. In the media, the mega-crook PM still keeps repeating the US mantra that Russia shot-down MH17, but the Australian legal team appears oriented at blaming Ukraine for "using MH17 passengers as human shields during military operations".

    The second impressive feat was when the Australian Government terminated all contributions to the Clinton Foundation on Nov 9, 2016.

    Therefore, such public declarations of support to the US criminal of the day are shameful but unavoidable. I am much more worried about some Australian Government and opposition officials who are getting carried away in their servitude and are trying to punch up China. I cannot imagine China ever attacking Australia first, unless Australia initiates a dust up.

    China does not need to attack Australia. Our top five exports are iron ore, coal, petroleum/gas, higher education and gold. China is 1st or 2nd in the list of importers of all of these. Perhaps real estate is entering the list too.

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    I never said that China would attack Australia first, then that some in Australia want to punch up China and then hide behind the skirt of the transgender Uncle Sam. The latest was the Labor opposition minister of defence, who in some conference on security in Asia-Pac delighted US junta by asking to be given the right to enforce the "freedom of navigation" on behalf of the big Uncle. In other words, Australian boat sinks some Chinese boat and then hides behind the US aircraft carrier battle group.
  200. @utu
    When observing the ineptness and indolence of Russia's media and propaganda the defeatism is unavoidable.

    When observing the ineptness and indolence of Russia’s media and propaganda the defeatism is unavoidable.

    Propaganda is a simple thing, it’s (mostly) an endless and loud repetition of the same message, coming from all directions. I don’t think there’s much more to it than that, and therefore, as long as western mainstream media is consolidated (and it is, at the moment), it wins.

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  201. @Art
    (and why not women? The Zionists got on to that at least 75 years ago)

    Wiz,

    With your undying love of all things Jewish – you must be ecstatic right now.

    Israel is the only happy country on the planet. North and South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, and the Greater ME - are all seething with troubles – but NOT Israel.

    Nuclear US and Russia’s relations are at their lowest point ever – yet Israelis are happy – things are going their way.

    Israel is a country with a political cast system, apartheid walls, summary killings, preventive detention, it shoots children that throw rocks, its government sanctioned land theft, and it jails 10,000 political prisoners.

    How do you explain this oddity – happy Israel – unhappy world?

    How do you explain your exaltation and adoration of Israel?

    Peace --- Art

    I’m not sufficiently interested to wander OT to that extent. Besides I have no idea if Israelis (which Israelis?) are happy. It doesn’t seem to be in tjeir nature for it to be a lasting condition. Who wants happiness if you can have a good abusive argument anyway. A bit of temporary euphoria, if observed, shoulfn’t have too much read into it.

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  202. @Kiza
    I learned not to take such statements too much to heart. It has been a long standing policy of both parties in Australia to lick the war criminal US ass and to participate in the US crimes on occasions. Most Australians are against such policies, but prefer "do not ask do not tell".

    To the credit of the ex-Goldman-Sachs mega crook currently serving as a Prime Minister of Australia (the mug in the photo to the article you linked to), he still appears to respects the law in general. I am referring to the case of MH17 in which a high number of Australians were killed. Despite attempts of US and its coalition of puppets to pin MH17 on Russia even at the International Court of Justice without a shred of legal-grade evidence, Australia resisted and appears to be aiming for the Ukrainian Government instead. In the media, the mega-crook PM still keeps repeating the US mantra that Russia shot-down MH17, but the Australian legal team appears oriented at blaming Ukraine for "using MH17 passengers as human shields during military operations".

    The second impressive feat was when the Australian Government terminated all contributions to the Clinton Foundation on Nov 9, 2016.

    Therefore, such public declarations of support to the US criminal of the day are shameful but unavoidable. I am much more worried about some Australian Government and opposition officials who are getting carried away in their servitude and are trying to punch up China. I cannot imagine China ever attacking Australia first, unless Australia initiates a dust up.

    GYou certainly have imagination if you can think of any circumstances under which Australia would inititiate a dust up with China. I do agree however that China is most unlikely to attack Australia. I would go further and say that it is No.1 of the status quo powers in the region wrt Australia. It wouldn’t want anyone else to disrupt its well run quarry and ag supplier and no other country would want to upset the status quo or allow it to be upset either. Obviously the balance now and for quite a few years to come is in faour of Australia keeping its top 5 or so position as reliable American ally. I think John Howard is/was wrong in his justification of the Iraq war but, so what, he should get credit for a very low cost Iraq cotribution (one soldier dead, accidetally, by his own hand!). And soldiers do need practice with live ammunition aganst real enemies or you have experiences like the Canadians in Rwanda ad the Dutch in Bosnia.

    Why do you call Malcolm Turnbull a criminal? I don’t know/can’t guess what you are talking about even if you are using the word metaphorically. He made his money mostly out of launching an early ISP Ozemail.

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    I saw your last challenge to me first, I saw this one after. Why is the Turn-bull character a crook, asks a supporter of the Liberal Party. Certainly not because he and a few friends ripped off this stupid US company by selling them the worthless Ozemail. At the time, the US was flush with funny-money and the US telcos were on a crazy M&A spree. Our current PM Turn-bull happened to be at the right place at the right time and he scored tens of millions. About two years later Ozemail went belly up and its US parent got investigated, not sure if it also went bankrupt.

    Why is all this relevant - because it proves that Turn-bull knows something about telecommunications. Yet, this crook singlehandedly sabotaged the Australian National Broadband Network, a $36+ B project. He replaced a high quality design with a multi-technology mishmash which will be obsolete before it is completed, whilst it will cost as much as the initial costing of the proper network (which would have been exceeded).

    Now, how many political scumbags can claim that they cost a nation $36B and its (priceless) techno future? How many can claim that they ensured that their country remains a World's backwater for the next century? If Trump causes a global nuclear war, he will exceed Turnbull, till then we have a clear winner.

  203. @Kiza
    Rurik, in addition to Julian Assange and John Pilger, here is another Australian journalistic legend that most Australians are immensely proud of: John Helmer. His most interesting summary of Tillerson recent visit to Russia to deliver the US ultimatum: "Get out of Syria or else ..." http://johnhelmer.net/capitulation-rex-tillerson-authorizes-us-hacking-against-russian-war-targets-us-television-demands-sergei-lavrov-speak-in-english/#more-17451

    Perhaps Australians should be proud of John Helmer but I am sure that you are wrong because in fact very few have heard of him unlike John Pilger and Julian Assange** where it is only the pride in them I doubt. They are well publicised but you have to go looking for Helmer mentions as very little of his income comes from Australia.

    ** I am one of those indignant at what the UK has cooked up for Assange starting with tbe awful Tony Blair’s acceptance of European Arrest Warrants.

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  204. @Kiza
    I learned not to take such statements too much to heart. It has been a long standing policy of both parties in Australia to lick the war criminal US ass and to participate in the US crimes on occasions. Most Australians are against such policies, but prefer "do not ask do not tell".

    To the credit of the ex-Goldman-Sachs mega crook currently serving as a Prime Minister of Australia (the mug in the photo to the article you linked to), he still appears to respects the law in general. I am referring to the case of MH17 in which a high number of Australians were killed. Despite attempts of US and its coalition of puppets to pin MH17 on Russia even at the International Court of Justice without a shred of legal-grade evidence, Australia resisted and appears to be aiming for the Ukrainian Government instead. In the media, the mega-crook PM still keeps repeating the US mantra that Russia shot-down MH17, but the Australian legal team appears oriented at blaming Ukraine for "using MH17 passengers as human shields during military operations".

    The second impressive feat was when the Australian Government terminated all contributions to the Clinton Foundation on Nov 9, 2016.

    Therefore, such public declarations of support to the US criminal of the day are shameful but unavoidable. I am much more worried about some Australian Government and opposition officials who are getting carried away in their servitude and are trying to punch up China. I cannot imagine China ever attacking Australia first, unless Australia initiates a dust up.

    I was unawate of the Australian representation and representations in the International Court case brought by Ukraine against Russia. Interesting, so I have searched with all the obvious words and can find nothing of interest or relevance apart from a report that Russia’s counsel has departed from Russia’s script hitherto and basically denied motive rather than supply of weapon. Can you help with a link?

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    • Replies: @Kiza
    I do not normally reply to you, but I will make an exception for a polite query. You may have heard of this Australian journalist living in Moscow John Helmer. He has a blog Dances with Bears. He has been covering MH17 in greater detail than anyone else online. I am on a tablet so I do not have my bookmarks available, but if you go back through his blog's recent archive you will find the one about the Attorney General George Brandis and PM Turnbull switching (softly, softly, hush, hush) to blaming Ukraine for killing the Australians. In the briefest, the new Australian legal approach is that regardless of whether the rebbels have shotdown the airliner or not, the airliner should not have been flying over the war zone, especially after several military planes have been shot down over the same area in the previous days. The Ukraine tried to blame Russia at the ICJ for "state terrorism" in the MH17 case, but Australia bailed out of this legal case and it fell apart. You will find many interesting details in Helmer's writing, such as that the chief of the Ukrainian air defence has been sacked a few days after MH17, to be re-instated six months later.

    The reason why this was important is that the compensation to be paid to the victims' families depends on whether the act was intentional or negligence. It appears that legally, the case for terrorism (against Russia) was much weaker than the case for negligence (against Ukraine). You may know or not that the families of German victims have already initiated a legal case against Ukraine. The only barrier to the legal resolution of MH17 and payouts to the families of the victims is the protection of Uncle Sam for his Ukro-puppets through the national governments of the victims (political pressure). The Australian Gov appears to be the first to break ranks to allow the compensation cases to proceed.

    Find the second last Helmer's blog about the shootdown and enjoy details that you will never find in the Australian MSM or by searching Google (this could not be because Google is a CIA outfit, noooo). Good luck and please let me know if you do not find it. I will pull out my bookmark.

  205. Kiza says:
    @unseated
    China does not need to attack Australia. Our top five exports are iron ore, coal, petroleum/gas, higher education and gold. China is 1st or 2nd in the list of importers of all of these. Perhaps real estate is entering the list too.

    I never said that China would attack Australia first, then that some in Australia want to punch up China and then hide behind the skirt of the transgender Uncle Sam. The latest was the Labor opposition minister of defence, who in some conference on security in Asia-Pac delighted US junta by asking to be given the right to enforce the “freedom of navigation” on behalf of the big Uncle. In other words, Australian boat sinks some Chinese boat and then hides behind the US aircraft carrier battle group.

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  206. Kiza says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    I was unawate of the Australian representation and representations in the International Court case brought by Ukraine against Russia. Interesting, so I have searched with all the obvious words and can find nothing of interest or relevance apart from a report that Russia's counsel has departed from Russia's script hitherto and basically denied motive rather than supply of weapon. Can you help with a link?

    I do not normally reply to you, but I will make an exception for a polite query. You may have heard of this Australian journalist living in Moscow John Helmer. He has a blog Dances with Bears. He has been covering MH17 in greater detail than anyone else online. I am on a tablet so I do not have my bookmarks available, but if you go back through his blog’s recent archive you will find the one about the Attorney General George Brandis and PM Turnbull switching (softly, softly, hush, hush) to blaming Ukraine for killing the Australians. In the briefest, the new Australian legal approach is that regardless of whether the rebbels have shotdown the airliner or not, the airliner should not have been flying over the war zone, especially after several military planes have been shot down over the same area in the previous days. The Ukraine tried to blame Russia at the ICJ for “state terrorism” in the MH17 case, but Australia bailed out of this legal case and it fell apart. You will find many interesting details in Helmer’s writing, such as that the chief of the Ukrainian air defence has been sacked a few days after MH17, to be re-instated six months later.

    The reason why this was important is that the compensation to be paid to the victims’ families depends on whether the act was intentional or negligence. It appears that legally, the case for terrorism (against Russia) was much weaker than the case for negligence (against Ukraine). You may know or not that the families of German victims have already initiated a legal case against Ukraine. The only barrier to the legal resolution of MH17 and payouts to the families of the victims is the protection of Uncle Sam for his Ukro-puppets through the national governments of the victims (political pressure). The Australian Gov appears to be the first to break ranks to allow the compensation cases to proceed.

    Find the second last Helmer’s blog about the shootdown and enjoy details that you will never find in the Australian MSM or by searching Google (this could not be because Google is a CIA outfit, noooo). Good luck and please let me know if you do not find it. I will pull out my bookmark.

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    Thanks. I shall look it up tbough I don't think I need to. It sou ds like a pretty simple case of trying to help some Australians obtain damages. If, as you ptobably correctly say, it was a matter of assesssing whether intention could be proven sgainst Russia or inly negligence relied on then it isn't difficult to see why Ukraine's negligence in taking the money for the flight path over Ukraine might be thought to rank ahead of Russia's cintribution - though why not both of them?
  207. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Mark Presco
    This is an inspiring video and I think that is more true than not; but it begs the question of why millions of Syrian men of fighting age have fled the country.

    If they are patriotic Syrians then they should be counted among the freedom fighters who are depicted in the video. Obviously, they are cowards.

    If they are jihadis, are they cowards for fleeing a lost war, or brave for bringing that war to the US and Europe?

    Either way, I have no symphony or respect for Syrian migrants.

    You are obviously one of those white supremacist scum who think they own the world, and can do anything with it because they discovered or invented stuff, people are so in awe of.

    Mass murder, and sustaining such, means nothing for you. It proves the moral ciphers, evil and psychopathic, the likes of you are.

    Also, the likes of you are quite probably pagan polytheist idolaters, and with the rest of you being from the ranks of the godless. That proves the spiritual losers you are.

    The “cowards” you mention above are running away from war, created and sustained by the likes of you. At least those “cowards” see the evil that war brings to your soul, and want no part in it.

    Now, which is better, being cowards, or mass murdering evil psychopaths?

    And, let us be very clear, the greatest mass murdering evil psychopaths the world has ever known, have been pale faced scum, the likes of you.

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    • Replies: @Mark Presco
    So you hate white people. Terrific, glad to hear it. I have a solution for you. Get the hell out of white cultures and stay the hell out of white cultures.

    What proves you wrong is that there are millions upon millions upon millions upon millions upon millions…. 10s of millions of people who are determined to put themselves under the heels of us evil white oppressors.

    So many in fact that we are doomed to become minorities in our own countries to these people. Apparently to people like you who hate us. Any sane white person should oppose this.
  208. Kiza says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    GYou certainly have imagination if you can think of any circumstances under which Australia would inititiate a dust up with China. I do agree however that China is most unlikely to attack Australia. I would go further and say that it is No.1 of the status quo powers in the region wrt Australia. It wouldn't want anyone else to disrupt its well run quarry and ag supplier and no other country would want to upset the status quo or allow it to be upset either. Obviously the balance now and for quite a few years to come is in faour of Australia keeping its top 5 or so position as reliable American ally. I think John Howard is/was wrong in his justification of the Iraq war but, so what, he should get credit for a very low cost Iraq cotribution (one soldier dead, accidetally, by his own hand!). And soldiers do need practice with live ammunition aganst real enemies or you have experiences like the Canadians in Rwanda ad the Dutch in Bosnia.

    Why do you call Malcolm Turnbull a criminal? I don't know/can't guess what you are talking about even if you are using the word metaphorically. He made his money mostly out of launching an early ISP Ozemail.

    I saw your last challenge to me first, I saw this one after. Why is the Turn-bull character a crook, asks a supporter of the Liberal Party. Certainly not because he and a few friends ripped off this stupid US company by selling them the worthless Ozemail. At the time, the US was flush with funny-money and the US telcos were on a crazy M&A spree. Our current PM Turn-bull happened to be at the right place at the right time and he scored tens of millions. About two years later Ozemail went belly up and its US parent got investigated, not sure if it also went bankrupt.

    Why is all this relevant – because it proves that Turn-bull knows something about telecommunications. Yet, this crook singlehandedly sabotaged the Australian National Broadband Network, a $36+ B project. He replaced a high quality design with a multi-technology mishmash which will be obsolete before it is completed, whilst it will cost as much as the initial costing of the proper network (which would have been exceeded).

    Now, how many political scumbags can claim that they cost a nation $36B and its (priceless) techno future? How many can claim that they ensured that their country remains a World’s backwater for the next century? If Trump causes a global nuclear war, he will exceed Turnbull, till then we have a clear winner.

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    So it is a metaphorical use to describe what you characterise Malcolm Turnbull as doing for political motives in bad faith knowing the facts dictated a contraary view.. I have certainly read, over the years, plenty of unbusinesslike tech enthusiasts insisting that nothing but something as good as Korea's complete fibre coveraage would do. And you seem to say the saame. But it wasn't only Malcolm Turnbull who saw the huge built in waste of the Rudd-Conroy $43 billion fantasy. A brilliant satire, possibly prompted by Ziģgy Switkowski who had been physìcist turned Telstra CEO (he certainly applauded it) shoeed up the apslling decisionmsking process thaat gaaave birth to the NBN. A few ponts

    1. Labor promised a <$5 billion scheme for fzst brosdband and cslled for tenders. Within three months of the tender fàilure Rudd summoneb the rdlevssnt minister Stephen Conroy to join hypersactive snd disorganised PM on a flight to zzBrisbane and at the end of thd dzy the $43 billion scheme was announced without the slightest attempt attempt to justify the costing or any cost-benefit study. (Before long $93 million becsme zccepted ss moŕe plsusible).

    2. From the first sod turned the cost overruns were massive snd spsrt from totally political aand uneconomic work done in Tasmzniss snd Tony Windsor's New Engpand electoratè way behind schedule.

    3. Improved software, use of existing cable and doubling up of coper connections eere obviously going to do a lot for speed aand saalready have. Then the possibility that wireless could be better or good enough arose and the prospsct of 5G is reslly cramping the NBN's ricing snd oversll dconomics.

    4. Those who have an economic justification for very fast broadband speeds have already got it. Ďo you know snyone who would hsve s grest business but for the hybrid replacement of Rudd"s uncosted extrsvsgsnza?

  209. Rurik says:
    @Kiza
    Rurik, in addition to Julian Assange and John Pilger, here is another Australian journalistic legend that most Australians are immensely proud of: John Helmer. His most interesting summary of Tillerson recent visit to Russia to deliver the US ultimatum: "Get out of Syria or else ..." http://johnhelmer.net/capitulation-rex-tillerson-authorizes-us-hacking-against-russian-war-targets-us-television-demands-sergei-lavrov-speak-in-english/#more-17451

    thanks for the link Kiza

    he seems like a good egg

    the latest from Pilger

    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/04/12/pushing-australia-into-war-with-china/

    “What is it about some Australian politicians whose obsequiousness takes charge of their senses?”

    it isn’t just Aussies. They all assume the position and slurp shekels from the CIA $lop trough.

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  210. @Kiza
    I do not normally reply to you, but I will make an exception for a polite query. You may have heard of this Australian journalist living in Moscow John Helmer. He has a blog Dances with Bears. He has been covering MH17 in greater detail than anyone else online. I am on a tablet so I do not have my bookmarks available, but if you go back through his blog's recent archive you will find the one about the Attorney General George Brandis and PM Turnbull switching (softly, softly, hush, hush) to blaming Ukraine for killing the Australians. In the briefest, the new Australian legal approach is that regardless of whether the rebbels have shotdown the airliner or not, the airliner should not have been flying over the war zone, especially after several military planes have been shot down over the same area in the previous days. The Ukraine tried to blame Russia at the ICJ for "state terrorism" in the MH17 case, but Australia bailed out of this legal case and it fell apart. You will find many interesting details in Helmer's writing, such as that the chief of the Ukrainian air defence has been sacked a few days after MH17, to be re-instated six months later.

    The reason why this was important is that the compensation to be paid to the victims' families depends on whether the act was intentional or negligence. It appears that legally, the case for terrorism (against Russia) was much weaker than the case for negligence (against Ukraine). You may know or not that the families of German victims have already initiated a legal case against Ukraine. The only barrier to the legal resolution of MH17 and payouts to the families of the victims is the protection of Uncle Sam for his Ukro-puppets through the national governments of the victims (political pressure). The Australian Gov appears to be the first to break ranks to allow the compensation cases to proceed.

    Find the second last Helmer's blog about the shootdown and enjoy details that you will never find in the Australian MSM or by searching Google (this could not be because Google is a CIA outfit, noooo). Good luck and please let me know if you do not find it. I will pull out my bookmark.

    Thanks. I shall look it up tbough I don’t think I need to. It sou ds like a pretty simple case of trying to help some Australians obtain damages. If, as you ptobably correctly say, it was a matter of assesssing whether intention could be proven sgainst Russia or inly negligence relied on then it isn’t difficult to see why Ukraine’s negligence in taking the money for the flight path over Ukraine might be thought to rank ahead of Russia’s cintribution – though why not both of them?

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    Russia’s cintribution – though why not both of them?
     
    umm

    perhaps because Russia had nothing to do with Ukraine jets riddling MH17 with 30 caliber machinegun bullets? And murdering everyone on board the plane?

    http://johnhelmer.net/category/mh17/

    but don't let the truth get in the way of your tiresome agenda wiz ;)
  211. Rurik says:
    @Kiza
    I am not sure if either country can be excused for serving the Zionists. Australia does it both directly and indirectly, by serving the US war criminals. I have learned to accept when Australia does it in word rather than in deed. Therefore, the verbal bull to support US and Israel is all in a days job for the worthless scumbags in Canberra. In other words, bullshitting is cheap. But when they send troops to commit war crimes, to Afghanistan, Iraq, or before to Vietnam, that is totally unacceptable. I have done some anti-participation-in-Iraq-war acts of my own. Wish I have done more.

    Thanks for understanding my points, this is why I emphasised that not all US people are amoral imbeciles.

    serving the Zionists. Australia does it both directly and indirectly, by serving the US war criminals.

    they both take their marching orders from Rothschild, slithering around in London

    but at least Australia is remote enough that it doesn’t suffer so much of the strife that the Zio-boyz impose on England or the US.

    Eternal War, exacerbated tribal/ethnic hatreds, Goldman Sachs looting of the economy and the Treasury, perpetual debt slavery, moral sewage, spiritual rot…

    we seem to have no dearth of tikkun olam here in the good ol US of A!

    dumbed down to the point of Kim Kardashian’s ass as our royalty

    anyways, we’re just a piece in the puzzle. What is happening in England and Sweden and France and the ZUSA – is all headed to the far corners of the planet. Libya got its Rothschild central bank after all. Syria will get its too and then Iran. Russia will get gay parades and have the Russian soul and its heroes mocked and scorned and ridiculed from every organ of the state/media. And with it all will come the provoked and forced ethnic hatreds and strife, [what was it Gen. Wesley Clark said about Serbia's transition into the 21st century to justify the bombing?] .. the looting and the spiritual rot.

    the end game is the “uni-polar world” domination’ mentioned at the top of the John Pilger article. That one world government, so that when Rothschild makes a decree, it won’t just be the ‘Five Eyes” and Germany and France, and the rest of Europe and Scandinavia that will crawl in fealty, but Russia and China too. Rothschild is like an old, senile alpha baboon overlooking his troop (the nations of the planet) with glowering wrath at any who show signs of indifference to his domination. They MUST be made to bow to his {divine} will {literally like Xerxes in that movie}. Rothschild is like the cops that throttled Freddy Grey into ultimate submission. It’s the same primitive baboon imperative to see others submit to a dominant human’s will, that drives so much of the violence on the streets, and domestic violence, all the way up the food chain to the menopausal old men (and women) who feel the same imperative to see nations (and world leaders) bend to their will, and submit.

    it’s been going on from the beginning of time, and will go on well after we’re all long gone. But I see no point in pretending that it is anything other than what it is: a primitive, primate, baboon-like need to see others submit to their (alpha baboon-like) domination. Period.

    we may fly around in jets and use touchscreen super computers, but the fingers on those touchscreens are scarcely more evolved than the denizens of the African savannas. And the more convinced they are of their own divinity, the more bloody will be their wrath.

    I’m ranting …

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  212. Rurik says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Thanks. I shall look it up tbough I don't think I need to. It sou ds like a pretty simple case of trying to help some Australians obtain damages. If, as you ptobably correctly say, it was a matter of assesssing whether intention could be proven sgainst Russia or inly negligence relied on then it isn't difficult to see why Ukraine's negligence in taking the money for the flight path over Ukraine might be thought to rank ahead of Russia's cintribution - though why not both of them?

    Russia’s cintribution – though why not both of them?

    umm

    perhaps because Russia had nothing to do with Ukraine jets riddling MH17 w