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A Russian joke goes like this: “Question: why can there be no color revolution in the United States? Answer: because there are no US Embassies in the United States.

Funny, maybe, but factually wrong: I believe that a color revolution is being attempted in the USA right now.

Politico seems to feel the same way. See their recent cover:

PoliticoProtestCover

While I did predict that “The USA is about to face the worst crisis of its history” as far back as October of last year, a month before the elections, I have to admit that I am surprised and amazed at the magnitude of the struggle which we see taking place before our eyes. It is now clear that the Neocons did declare war on Trump and some, like Paul Craig Roberts, believe that Trump has now returned them the favor. I sure hope that he is right.

Let’s look at one telling example:

US intelligence agencies are now investigating their own boss! Yes, according to recent reports, the FBI, CIA, National Security Agency and Treasury Department are now investigating the telephone conversations between General Flynn and the Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyk. According to Wikipedia, General Flynn is the former

  • Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency
  • Joint Functional Component Command for Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance
  • Chair of the Military Intelligence Board
  • Assistant Director of National Intelligence
  • Senior intelligence officer for the Joint Special Operations Command.

He is also Trump’s National Security Advisor. In other words, his security clearance is stratospherically high and he will soon become the boss of all the US intelligence services. And yet, these very same intelligence services are investigating him for his contacts with the Russian Ambassador. That is absolutely amazing. Even in the bad old Soviet Union, the putatively almighty KGB did not have the right to investigate a member of the Communist Party Central Committee without a special authorization of the Politburo (a big mistake, in my opinion, but never mind that). That roughly means that the top 500 members of the Soviet state could not be investigated by the KGB at all. Furthermore, such was the subordination of the KGB to the Party that for common criminal matters the KGB was barred from investigating any member of the entire Soviet Nomenklatura, roughly 3 million people (and even bigger mistake!).

But in the case of Flynn, several US security agencies can decide to investigate a man who by all standards ought to be considered at least in the top 5 US officials and who clearly has the trust of the new President. And that does not elicit any outrage, apparently.

By the same logic, the three letter agencies might as well investigate Trump for his telephone conversations with Vladimir Putin.

Which, come to think of it, they might well do it soon…

This is all absolutely crazy because this is evidence that the US intelligence community has gone rogue and is now taking its orders from the Neocons and their deep state and not from the President and that these agencies are now acting against the interests of the new President.

In the meantime, the Soros crowd has already chosen a color: pink. We now are witnessing the “pussyhat revolution” as explained on this website. And if you think that this is just a small fringe of lunatic feminists, you would be quite wrong. For the truly lunatic feminists the “subtle” hint about their “pussyhat revolution” is too subtle, so they prefer making their statement less ambiguous as the image on the right shows.

PenceProtest This would all be rather funny, in a nauseating way I suppose, if it wasn’t for the fact that the media, Congress and Hollywood are fully behind this “100 days of Resistance to Trump” which began by a, quote, “queer dance party” at Mike Pence’s house.

This would be rather hilarious, if it was not for all gravitas with which the corporate media is treating these otherwise rather pathetic “protests”.

Watch how MCNBS’s talking head blissfully reporting this event:

Listen carefully to what Moore says at 2:00. He says that they will “celebrate the fact that Obama is still the President of the United States” and the presstitute replies to him, “yes he is” not once, but twice.

What are they talking about?! The fact that Obama is still the President?!

How is it that Homeland Security and the FBI are not investigating MCNBC and Moore for rebellion and sedition?

So far, the protests have not been too large, but they did occur in various US cities and they were well covered by the media:

Make no mistake, such protests are no more spontaneous than the ones in the Ukraine. Somebody is paying for all this, somebody is organizing it all. And they are using their full bag of tricks. One more example:

SyriaGirl Remember the pretty face of Nayirah, the Kuwaiti nurse who told Congress that she had witnessed Iraqi soldiers tossing our babies from Kuwaiti incubators (and who later turned out to be the daughter of Saud Al-Sabah, the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States)? Do you remember the pretty face of Neda, who “died on TV” in Iran? Well, let me introduce you to Bana Alabe, who wrote a letter to President Trump and, of course, the media got hold of the latter and now she is the “face of the Syrian children”.

Want even more proof?

Okay, click here and take a look at a sampling of anti-Trump caricatures and cartoons compiled by the excellent Colonel Cassad. Some of them are quite remarkable. From this nauseating collection, I will select just two:

PutinCartoons

The first one clearly accuses Trump of being in the hands of Putin. The second one make Trump the heir to Adolf Hitler and strongly suggests that Trump might want to restart Auschwitz. Translated into plain English this sends a double message: Trump is not the legitimate President of the USA and Trump is the ultimate Evil.

This goes far beyond the kind of satire previous Presidents have ever been subjected to.

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My purpose in listing all the examples above is to suggest the following: far from having accepted defeat, the Neocons and the US deep state have decided, as they always do, to double-down and they are now embarking on a full-scale “color revolution” which will only end with the impeachment, overthrowal or death of Donald Trump.

One of the most amazing features of this color revolution against Trump is the fact that those behind it don’t give a damn about the damage that their war against Trump does to the institution of the President of the United States and, really, to the United States as a whole. That damage is, indeed, immense and the bottom line is this: President Trump is in immense danger of being overthrown and his only hope for survival is to strike back hard and fast.

The other amazing thing is the ugly role Britain plays in this process: all the worst filth against Trump is always eventually traced back right to the UK. How come? Simple. Do you recall how, formally at least, the CIA and NSA did not have the right to spy on US nationals and the British MI6 and GCHQ had no right to spy on British nationals. Both sides found an easy way out: they simply traded services: the CIA and NSA spied on Brits, the MI6 and GCHQ spied on Americans, and then they simply traded the data between “partners” (it appears that since Obama came to power all these measures have now become outdated and everybody is free to spy on whomever the hell they want, including their own nationals). The US Neocons and the US deep state are now using the British special services to produce a stream of filth against Trump which they then report as “intelligence” and which then can be used by Congress as a basis for an investigation. Nice, simple and effective.

The bottom line is this: President Trump is in immense danger of being overthrown and his only hope for survival is to strike back hard and fast.

Can he do that?

Until now I have suggested several times that Trump deal with the US Neocons the way Putin dealt with the oligarchs in Russia: get them on charges of tax evasion, corruption, conspiracy, obstruction of justice, etc. All that good stuff which the US deep state has been doing for years. The Pentagon and the Three Letter Agencies are probably the most corrupt entities on the planet and since they have never been challenged, never mind punished, for their corruption, they must have become fantastically complacent about how they were doing things, essentially counting on the White House to bail them out in case of problems. The main weapons used by these circles are the numerous secrecy laws which protect them from public and Congressional scrutiny. But here Trump can use his most powerful card: General Flynn who, as former director of the DIA and current National Security Advisor to the President will have total access. And if he doesn’t – he can create it, if needed by sending special forces to ensure “collaboration”.

However, I am now beginning to think that this might not be enough. Trump has a much more powerful weapon he can unleash against the Neocon: 9/11.

Whether Trump knew about it before or not, he is now advised by people like Flynn who must have known for years that 9/11 was in inside job. And if the actual number of people directly implicated in the 9/11 operation itself was relatively small, the number of people which put their full moral and political credibility behind the 9/11 official narrative is immense. Let me put it this way: while 9/11 was a US “deep state” operation (probably subcontracted for execution to the Israelis), the entire Washington “swamp” has been since “9/11 accomplice after the fact” by helping to maintain the cover-up. If this is brought into light, then thousands of political careers are going to crash and burn into the scandal.

9/11 was a collective crime par excellence. A few men actually executed it, but then thousands, possibly tens of thousands, have used their position to execute the cover-up and to prevent any real investigation. They are ALL guilty of obstruction of justice. By opening a new investigation into 911, but one run by the Justice Department and NOT by Congress, Trump could literally place a “political handgun” next to the head of each politician and threaten to pull the trigger if he does not immediately give up on trying to overthrow Trump. What Trump needs for that is a 100% trusted and 100% faithful man as the director of the FBI, a man with “clean hands, a cool head and a burning heart” (to use the expression of the founder of the Soviet Secret Police, Felix Dzerzhinsky). This man will immediately find himself in physical danger so he will have to be a man of great personal courage and determination. And, of course, this “man” could be a woman (a US equivalent of the Russian prosecutor, Natalia Poklonskaia).

I fully understand that danger of what I am suggesting as any use of the “9/11 weapon” will, of course, result in an immense counter-attack by the Neocons and the deep state. But here is the deal: the latter are already dead set in impeaching, overthrowing or murdering Donald Trump. And, as Putin once said in an interview, “if you know that a fight is inevitable, then strike first!”.

You think that all is this over the top? Consider what is at stake.

First, at the very least, the Trump Presidency itself: the Neocons and the US deep state will not let Trump implement his campaign promises and program. Instead they will sabotage, ridicule and misrepresent everything he does, even if this is a big success.

Second, it appears that Congress now has the pretext to open several different congressional investigations into Donald Trump. If that is the case, it will be easy for Congress to blackmail Trump and constantly threaten him with political retaliation if he does not “get with the program”.

Third, the rabid persecution of Trump by the Neocons and the deep state is weakening the institution of the Presidency. For example, the latest crazy notion floated by some politicians is to “prohibit the President of the United States from using nuclear weapons without congressional authorization except when the United States is under nuclear attack.” From a technical point of view, this is nonsense, but what it does is send the following signal to the rest of the planet: “we, in Congress, believe that our Commander in Chief cannot be trusted with nuclear weapons.” Never mind that they would trust Hillary with the same nukes and never mind that Trump could use only conventional weapons to trigger a global nuclear war anyway (by, for example, a conventional attack on the Kremlin), what they are saying is that the US President is a lunatic that cannot be trusted. How can they then expect him to be take seriously on any topic?

Fourth, can you just imagine what will happen if the anti-Trump forces are successful?! Not only will democracy be totally and terminally crushed inside the USA, but the risks of war, including nuclear, will simply go through the roof.

There is much more at stake here than just petty US politics.

Every time I think of Trump and every time I look at the news I always come back to the same anguished thought: will Trump have the intelligence to realize the fact that he is under attack and will he have the courage to strike back hard enough?

I don’t know.

I have a great deal of hopes for General Flynn. I am confident that he understands the picture perfectly and knows exactly what is going on. But I am not sure that he has enough pull with the rest of the armed forces to keep them on the right side should a crisis happen. Generally, “regular” military types don’t like intelligence people. My hope is that Flynn has loyal allies at SOCOM and JSOC as, at the end of the day, they will have the last say as to who occupies the White House. The good news here is that unlike regular military types, special forces and intelligence people are usually very close and used to work together (regular military types also dislike special forces). SOCOM and JSOC will also know how to make sure that the CIA doesn’t go rogue.

Last but not least, my biggest hope is that Trump will use the same weapon Putin used against the Russian elites: the support of the people. But for that task, Twitter is simply not good enough. Trump needs to go the “RT route” and open his own TV channel. Of course, this will be very hard and time consuming, and he might have to begin with an Internet-based only channel, but as long as there is enough money there, he can make it happen. And, just like RT, it needs to be multi-national, politically diverse (including anti-Empire figures who do not support Trump) and include celebrities.

One of the many mistakes made by Yanukovich in the Ukraine was that he did not dare to fully use the legal instruments of power to stop the neo-Nazis. And to the degree that he used them, it was a disaster (like when the riot cops beat up student demonstrators). After listening to a few interviews of Yanukovich and of people near him during those crucial hours, it appears that Yanukovich simply did not feel that he had a moral right to use violence to suppress the street. We will never now if what truly held him back are moral principles of basic cowardice, but what is certain is that he betrayed his people and his country when he refused to defend real democracy and let the “street” take over replacing democracy with ochlocracy (mob rule). Of course, real ochlocracy does not exists, all mobs are always controlled by behind-the-scenes forces who unleash them just long enough to achieve their goals.

The forces which are currently trying to impeach, overthrow or murder President Trump are a clear and present danger to the United States as a country and to the US Federal Republic. They are, to use a Russian word, a type of “non-system” opposition which does not want to accept the outcome of the elections and which by rejecting this outcome essentially oppose the entire political system.

I am not a US citizen (I could, but I refuse that citizenship on principle because I refuse to take the required oath of allegiance) and the only loyalty I owe the USA is the one of a guest: never to deliberately harm it in any way and to obey its laws. And yet it turns my stomach to see how easy it has been to turn millions of Americans against their own country. I write a lot about russophobia on this blog, but I also see a deep-seated “Americanophobia” or “USophobia” in the words and actions who today say that Trump is not their President. To them, they micro-identity as a “liberal” or as a “gay” or as “African-American” means more than the very basic fundamental principles upon which this country has been built. When I see these crowds of Trump-bashers I see pure, seething hatred not of the AngloZionist Empire, or of a plutocracy masquerading as a democracy, but a hatred of what I would call the “simple America” or the “daily America” – the simple people amongst whom I have now lived for many years and learned to respect and appreciate and whom the Clinton-bots only think of as “deplorables”.

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It amazes me to see that the US pseudo-elites have as much hatred, contempt and fear of the American masses as the Russian pseudo-elites have hatred, contempt and fear of the Russian masses (the Russian equivalent or Hillary’s “deplorables” would be a hard to pronounce for English speakers word “быдло“, roughly “cattle”, “lumpen” or “rabble”). It amazes me to see that the very same people which have demonized Putin for years are now demonizing Trump using exactly the same methods. And if their own country has to go down in their struggle against the common people – so be it! These self-declared elites will have no compunction whatsoever to destroy the nation their have been parasitizing and exploiting for their own class interest. They did just that to Russia exactly 100 years ago, in 1917. I sure hope that they will not get away with that again in 2017.

 
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  1. The author missed the biggest story. Manhattan Senator Chuck Schumer (D-Israel) suggested a coup that was announced by the CIA’s media outlet, the Washington Post:

    If he cannot accept reality, he is not fit to carry out the duties of the president. We are not calling — yet — for invocation of Section 4 of the 25th Amendment. (“Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.”)

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/01/25/maybe-trump-isnt-lying/?utm_term=.a68e3e9e46ee

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    • Replies: @Bruce Marshall
    That can be countered: Obama's Treason in arming terrorists. In fact there is introduced in Congress by Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) with Democrat and Republican Co-sponsors, the Stop Arming Terrorist Act, which by its title implies that we have been arming terrorists. Arming terrorists in the war against terror is arming the enemy. Arming the enemy is Treason.

    First lets #StopMnuchin around and stop Wall Street's agent. Soros mobster Steven"the forclosure king" Mnuchin the anti Glass-Steagal liar and thief.

    https://larouchepac.com/20170122/larouche-keep-mnuchin-out-treasury-avoid-economic-collapse

    @StopMnuchin

    , @Michael McCarthy
    Considering it is the 100th year anniversary of the Russian revolution, we would be wise to elevate the analysis of minds such as Dr. Kevin Macdonald, Dr. David Duke, Gilad Atzmon and Michael Hoffman etc. etc. In his book 'Winter in Moscow' the writer, Malcolm Mugeridge, in his analysis of the situation he found there, wrote, "the worst kind of Jews are running this" These worst of folk have been the burden of humanity for centuries and need to be fired, in the way President Trump would use the phrase. Of course.
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  2. > What are they talking about?! The fact that Obama is still the President?!

    The date of the video is Jan. 18. Obama was still president for 2 days.

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    • Replies: @David
    Shouldn't there be a correction or clarification in the article's text if this comment is right? Without that, both the people in the video are being falsely disparaged.
    , @David
    E.A. is definitely correct. The error really ought to have been corrected.

    We expect WaPo and NYT to retract mistakes, right?
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  3. […] Written by The Saker; Originally appeared at The Unz Review […]

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  4. From my worm’s eye view it appears that Trump is relying on AIPAC to protect him from the congress and the army to protect him from the spooks. I doubt he can be impeached. I fear he will be martyred. I was born a white working class deplorable in 1944. I know my people. I know the nature of the Empire having served in the U.S. Army under Johnson and Nixon. If Trump is murdered there will not be revolution. There will be secession movements that will balkanize the lower 48.

    I like your idea about using truth as a weapon. Like holy water on a vampire. Keep up the good work Saker.

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    • Replies: @Carlton Meyer
    "There will be secession movements that will balkanize the lower 48."

    That would work great if the movement for California to succeed works. It could become an open borders cesspool as all the illegals and half of Latin America storm in. Other states could bus their unwanted illegals there, and it would turn into a new Brazil (a rich upper class) and hordes of poor. The state language would become Spanish and crime would become rampant, but the rest of America would benefit. All the whites and asians would eventually flee (millions have already), and it would become a Third World failure. Parts of that state are already like that.
    , @Anonymous
    I can see a future America that is Balkanized. But I doubt there would be civil war or succession if Trump is martyred.

    You might see that in isolated areas like Montana or Iowa.

    But for the most part, Americans are apathetic and will not put forth the effort to change things if it requires sacrifice. Look at how America rolled over when JFK was assassinated.
    , @annamaria
    "...using truth as a weapon. Like holy water on a vampire."
    Excellent.
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  5. dearieme says:

    There’s a struggle going on between Trump’s Orange Uprising, and the Clintonista’s brownshirt movement.

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    • Replies: @MarkinPNW
    Actually, it seems like pink is the new brown!
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  6. anon says: • Disclaimer

    get them on charges of tax evasion, corruption, conspiracy, obstruction of justice, etc.

    that won’t work.

    they wrote the rules, i.e. on taxes.

    and if you research things like deeds and mortgages, you find that their properties are held in complicated trusts — in other words, they have made themselves judgment proof.

    if you review their deeded properties, you notice they live relatively modestly; walking away would not be an enormous loss, and others of their community will cover their losses. Many of them have an offshore hideaway all set up; they have multiple passports.

    In 1932 many many German Jews voluntarily walked away from their properties in Germany — they were not forced to, they chose to because they knew something others did not: that zionists Jews planned to “Exodus” — in the full meaning of that mythic event — Germany. Over a quarter-century earlier, Herzl had lobbied Kaiser Wilhelm to aid Jews to “exodus” — his word — from Germany.

    legal actions against neocons would be extremely difficult: this group will be on both sides of any action, both judge and defense counsel.

    Lamposts.
    no stoop no squat no squint no ugly bathtub ring

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    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    "In 1932 many many German Jews voluntarily walked away from their properties in Germany — they were not forced to,"

    This remark betrays quite a lot of ignorance.
    Wealthy assimilated German Jews were not Zionists.
    Some family members did like the idea of moving to Palestine, but this was anomalous.
    Who would want to go to Palestine when life was good in Germany?
    Even after the Machtergreifung of 1933, for a long time the Nazi state was focused on prying away the wealth of the Jewish community.
    Please learn a little history before making silly allegations about German Jews volunteering to abandon their property in Germany in order to populate Palestine.
    , @Eckbach
    Herzl also lobbied Wilhelm's cousin, Czar Nicholas II, using, in a letter, the phrase "the final solution to the Jewish question."
    "Exodus" is a compound Greek word; from "ex" (out), and "hodos" (the road). It was indeed a historical event, but had nothing to do with any "Jews."
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  7. @WorkingClass
    From my worm's eye view it appears that Trump is relying on AIPAC to protect him from the congress and the army to protect him from the spooks. I doubt he can be impeached. I fear he will be martyred. I was born a white working class deplorable in 1944. I know my people. I know the nature of the Empire having served in the U.S. Army under Johnson and Nixon. If Trump is murdered there will not be revolution. There will be secession movements that will balkanize the lower 48.

    I like your idea about using truth as a weapon. Like holy water on a vampire. Keep up the good work Saker.

    “There will be secession movements that will balkanize the lower 48.”

    That would work great if the movement for California to succeed works. It could become an open borders cesspool as all the illegals and half of Latin America storm in. Other states could bus their unwanted illegals there, and it would turn into a new Brazil (a rich upper class) and hordes of poor. The state language would become Spanish and crime would become rampant, but the rest of America would benefit. All the whites and asians would eventually flee (millions have already), and it would become a Third World failure. Parts of that state are already like that.

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    It's a little unclear to me how the borders of California would be sealed though.
    , @1776
    Don't do this, it is the way of the coward we will fix all of America and make the union stronger than ever before.
    , @Kyle a
    Why would the Asians flee? They've taken over much of the politics in the cities with pull. Someone's got to run the joint.
    , @Wayne Pacific
    California is the most beautiful and scenic state with vast amounts of untouched open spaces and hundreds of miles of great beaches. Giving up my state to the perverts and Mexicans would be outrageous. Carlton, you are the traitor.
    , @bryce
    If California secedes, the language will start off English/Spanish but will end with Mandarin/Cantonese.
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  8. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Give me a break, Trump is not going to prosecute anyone on tax or corruption charges when he is probably guilty of corruption and tax fraud himself. That’s why he isn’t going to release his tax docs.

    And sorry, I don’t buy the whole Trump vs the establishment narrative. This is just the deep state in civil war, with the peasantry left out in the cold as always.

    I will start to pay attention to Trump when he takes on Wallstreet and Isreal. Until then Trump is just the right version of Barack Obama.

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    "This is just the deep state in civil war..."

    Exactly. But we should pull for Trump nevertheless. The faction he fronts means milder oppression than the incumbents.
    , @Kyle a
    And this whole time I was under the impression he wasn't releasing his tax docs to piss off anonymous nobody's such as yourself. Winning.
    , @aandrews
    Cf. Perfectly Legal, by David Cay Johnston.
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  9. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @WorkingClass
    From my worm's eye view it appears that Trump is relying on AIPAC to protect him from the congress and the army to protect him from the spooks. I doubt he can be impeached. I fear he will be martyred. I was born a white working class deplorable in 1944. I know my people. I know the nature of the Empire having served in the U.S. Army under Johnson and Nixon. If Trump is murdered there will not be revolution. There will be secession movements that will balkanize the lower 48.

    I like your idea about using truth as a weapon. Like holy water on a vampire. Keep up the good work Saker.

    I can see a future America that is Balkanized. But I doubt there would be civil war or succession if Trump is martyred.

    You might see that in isolated areas like Montana or Iowa.

    But for the most part, Americans are apathetic and will not put forth the effort to change things if it requires sacrifice. Look at how America rolled over when JFK was assassinated.

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    Not this time. Now we know what (((they))) did.
    , @jacques sheete

    But for the most part, Americans are apathetic and will not put forth the effort to change things if it requires sacrifice.
     
    For sure. They typically won't even expend the effort to search for the truth; they have been, continue to be, and always shall be content to wallow in mythology.
    , @Miro23

    But for the most part, Americans are apathetic and will not put forth the effort to change things if it requires sacrifice. Look at how America rolled over when JFK was assassinated.
     
    They are apathetic , for example they know that 100.000's of Iraqi civilians were killed "by mistake" (no WMD ) but they feel no remorse or desire to make amends.

    The evidence of the fraud of 9/11 is plain for any interested person to see with a minimum of research (starting with Building 7) but they're not bothered.

    Conclusion that they've stopped being "citizens" in any real sense and have become that that Neoliberal creation, the "consumer" - just a working-consuming economic drone.

    So, in my opinion, nothing will happen until they lose their money which is the real wake up point. At least this is how it worked in Weimar Germany. When the middle class was wiped out in the 1923 hyperinflation, and also faced a Bolshevik insurgency, the whole country was radicalized, becoming self defined outlaw (it was still Germany after all) - See Von Salomon's book "The Outlaws" https://www.amazon.com/Outlaws-Ernst-Von-Salomon/dp/1907166491/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485721345&sr=8-1&keywords=the+outlaws%2C+von+salomon
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  10. Harold100 says:

    Saker, you are close but the situation is far worse in the US than you realize. I suggest you study the writings at mileswmathis.com. His studies give profound insight into the US deep state. They were a revelation to me even after years of research into these matters.

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  11. Harold100 says:
    @Anonymous
    Give me a break, Trump is not going to prosecute anyone on tax or corruption charges when he is probably guilty of corruption and tax fraud himself. That's why he isn't going to release his tax docs.

    And sorry, I don't buy the whole Trump vs the establishment narrative. This is just the deep state in civil war, with the peasantry left out in the cold as always.

    I will start to pay attention to Trump when he takes on Wallstreet and Isreal. Until then Trump is just the right version of Barack Obama.

    “This is just the deep state in civil war…”

    Exactly. But we should pull for Trump nevertheless. The faction he fronts means milder oppression than the incumbents.

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  12. Diogenes says:

    Shall we rejoice? The most powerful country on earth is disintegrating through internal strife between rival factions which no longer share a common vision and purpose.
    We are witnessing a slow and inexorable decay of the “united” states into the disunited States of America which is now so polarized with internal divisions on multi dimensional levels that it will lead to it’s own self-destruction. Let’s just list a few destabilizing cracks in the edifice of the American state:
    1.between a demagogic President and the “Deep State
    2. a class war between the financial elites [bankers] and the rest resulting in a greater wealth gap disparity,
    3. a race war between whites, blacks, Hispanics,etc
    4.a religious war between Christian whites, immigrant Muslims and the much hated Jewish interlopers,
    5.between capitalists and unemployed workers,
    6.between urban Liberals and rural conservatives,
    7.inter factional turf wars within the National Security State, Intelligence and Military, etc, complex,
    8. dysfunctional partisan infighting within corrupt governmental systems.
    9.domestic ideological strife as overtly democratic practise and governance is weakened and authoritarian practices [militarized police and domestic spying] are covertly strengtened .

    Unfortunately the standard response to civil unrest is to set aside differences and to unite against an external threat such as Russia, China, Iran and world wide Terrorism.

    Perhaps most of the American population won’t fall for that ploy anymore and just carry on with a war promoting their own internal agendas and try to defeat their real enemies within the country.

    Either way it will be more chaos and destruction, it’s best it remains an internal affair and not a world wide calamity.

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    Do you mean, 'the Deep State/elites/superiors do not want, and the populace/plebs/inferiors can not live as before'. That's a Lenin's definition of revolutionary situation, every Soviet citizen learned this in grade 8 (societal studies and history). But, as grandpa Lenin teaches us, revolutionary situation is not enough, there should exist a party to start a revolution.
    , @annamaria
    Add to that the cultivated infantilism of progressives
    , @attonn
    Oh, it will be a "worldwide calamity", all right. The whole world is riding on the back of the American consumer. Remove the latter - and the whole edifice comes crashing down.
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  13. Isn’t it time for mankind to grow up and end the destructive con game called government?

    At the very least, end the forced enslavement to it.

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    Wither away the state? I've heard that before.
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  14. pyrrhus says:

    The Saker is forgetting one big thing, which is that all these conspirators are (rightly) afraid of what Trump will do to them if they attempt any kind of coup. Their fear is palpable.

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    Trump will do nothing if the coup is successful.
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  15. Realist says:
    @pyrrhus
    The Saker is forgetting one big thing, which is that all these conspirators are (rightly) afraid of what Trump will do to them if they attempt any kind of coup. Their fear is palpable.

    Trump will do nothing if the coup is successful.

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    "Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason."
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  16. the NSA has zero line or staff authority, only serves in advisory capacity….Relying on Flynn to “ride in with the cavalry” is wishful thinking

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  17. […] This article was written for the Unz Review: […]

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  18. @Carlton Meyer
    "There will be secession movements that will balkanize the lower 48."

    That would work great if the movement for California to succeed works. It could become an open borders cesspool as all the illegals and half of Latin America storm in. Other states could bus their unwanted illegals there, and it would turn into a new Brazil (a rich upper class) and hordes of poor. The state language would become Spanish and crime would become rampant, but the rest of America would benefit. All the whites and asians would eventually flee (millions have already), and it would become a Third World failure. Parts of that state are already like that.

    It’s a little unclear to me how the borders of California would be sealed though.

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  19. MarkinPNW says:
    @dearieme
    There's a struggle going on between Trump's Orange Uprising, and the Clintonista's brownshirt movement.

    Actually, it seems like pink is the new brown!

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    Good point. And with Obama, brown was the new black.
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  20. I just wish to voice my AMAZEMENT at the political STUPIDITY of (so-called) “progressives”
    Broadly, they have become the willing enthusiastic TOOLS of their own enemies (deep state/neo-con’s etc).
    Narrowly, their political tactics are MORONIC. Do they really think they will reach out to working Americans by protesting the simple FACT that Trump is president ? Protest is actually counter productive in the absence of defined & specific goals.
    Anyway, at this rate they’ll move on from shooting themselves in the foot to shooting themselves in the head in short order.
    Fucking amateurs.

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    The "progressives" want to be forever youthful and "rebellious" -- but in a safe way. You know, traveling in Europe and the US ( by business class preferably) with the fiery speeches on how Trump is a bad, very bad misogynist and racist, while carefully "forgetting" the seven Obama-maintained wars agains the brown people of the Middle East, the fantastically warm relationships between the US (and Clintons in particular) and the despotic states of Saudis and Qatari, and the eight (8!) years of Obama's smart fight against the universal healthcare and for insurance/Pharma corporations in the US. The colored emperor used to choose personally what people should be droned (extrajudicially) among the brown people far away from the US. The collateral damage of hospitals, schools, weddings, and funerals was not of Obama concern. At least the very bad Soviets had built a university in Afghanistan, which produced the first cohort of Afghani women professionals.
    And the US "progressives?" - their next big passion after trashing the deplorables' choice is to write a soulful stuff on psychedelics and ayahuasca. You know, on how to get a nirvana with zero efforts. Infantilism at its best.
    , @Jessy S
    Completely agree. Much of this is sophomoric in nature and President Trump will put a stop to that in short order. In addition, everybody is advised that the President can declare Martial Law at any time, and it is most likely Donald Trump that will declare it.
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  21. Publius says:
    @Anonymous
    I can see a future America that is Balkanized. But I doubt there would be civil war or succession if Trump is martyred.

    You might see that in isolated areas like Montana or Iowa.

    But for the most part, Americans are apathetic and will not put forth the effort to change things if it requires sacrifice. Look at how America rolled over when JFK was assassinated.

    Not this time. Now we know what (((they))) did.

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  22. MJMD says:

    While I agree with much of the author’s analysis, I have a few serious misgivings:

    1)

    …I did predict that “The USA is about to face the worst crisis of its history”

    That article talked a lot about a hypothetical future civil war without really mentioning the actual Civil War that came close to permanently crippling the modern United States. I highly, highly doubt anything George Soros has cooked up will be worse than that: it’ll either be put down in much less time with proportionately far fewer casualties or it will succeed and install a somewhat competent (if mendacious) administrative tyranny. This isn’t Spain in the 30s: even a botched takeover that leaves the country split exactly down the middle is unlikely to result in the years and years of futile bloodletting that characterized those past conflicts. Americans haven’t the stomach for it, and America also has other strengths that will serve to prevent it, as I’ll get into.

    2) The Pink Revolution is real, absolutely. But, regardless of the cheerleading by a mainstream media that is less trusted and approved of even than Trump, it has neither the money nor the backing to overthrow the American system of government. Look, I’m sorry to have to put this so bluntly, but the U.S. is not the former U.S.S.R. She may be far fallen from the sublime heights that she achieved in de Tocqueville’s day, but her civil society is still much stronger, her rule of law much longer established, and her people wealthier, more self-sufficient, and less susceptible to the influence of centralized media organizations. People have been mocking pompous television newscasters and using papers to wrap fish in America since the advent of the media. The newspapers, too, are far fallen from the days when they could induce Americans to invade Cuba; American television news snagged some unearned credibility in the 1970s when it turned against a winnable war (Vietnam) and a successful President (Nixon), but has since squandered it all pushing an unwinnable war (Iraq) and whitewashing the failings of two complete incompetents (Bush and Obama). A war between the mass media and Donald Trump might draw more blood from deluded idiots now than at any point previous in U.S. history, but Donald Trump would still win, hands down.

    The bad actors still do have access to tools that truly threaten Trump, no question, either by manufacturing an impeachment or arranging an assassination, and such actions would be met with approval by a significant percentage of the American population. But there is no way that a minority of that population (or its representatives) could itself move to overthrow the American system of government and still retain any legitimacy or avoid arousing the fatal opposition of the military or the majority.

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    Quit trying to rehabilitate the Vietnam War, nobody wanted to get their balls blown off on behalf of the central bankers.
    If communism is such a flawed premise, then there is no need to burn down my house and put me in a steel cage because l wouldnt volunteer for YOUR half- baked central planning scheme.
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  23. 1776 says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    "There will be secession movements that will balkanize the lower 48."

    That would work great if the movement for California to succeed works. It could become an open borders cesspool as all the illegals and half of Latin America storm in. Other states could bus their unwanted illegals there, and it would turn into a new Brazil (a rich upper class) and hordes of poor. The state language would become Spanish and crime would become rampant, but the rest of America would benefit. All the whites and asians would eventually flee (millions have already), and it would become a Third World failure. Parts of that state are already like that.

    Don’t do this, it is the way of the coward we will fix all of America and make the union stronger than ever before.

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  24. Saker in many ways the “people” were in far better shape in Russia than the “people” in the USA and the rest of the west.

    In Russia people were drenched in propaganda and religion was excluded, their lives were controlled but essentially not corrupted.

    In the west it is a different matter. The “people” have been utterly corrupted with a cultural war which has sought to destroy their virtue and goodness in every way.

    Rather than propaganda the wise and powerful in the west have been far more subtle, they have drenched their lives in violence and porn. They have turned women against their men with feminism. They have destroyed their families with welfare.They have destroyed their faith with TV and film and filled their head with garbage. They have sold their children drugs and made them the prey of evil men. They have destroyed their livelihoods and destroyed their independence with taxes and regulation.

    In short the powerful and wise have been particularly concerned to destroy all virtue in the poorer classes of society. It is hard for overweight drug addicted people with multiple children from multiple marriages who have jobs serving others and living in violent crime ridden communities to feel any power to fight back.

    God came to earth as a poor man and child in Jesus to shame the wise and powerful. Herod reacted by trying to kill the children before they could grow.

    That is what our wise and powerful do now, they are seeking to destroy and warp all those that might be a threat to their wealth. It is why they are so aghast at Trump.

    When God comes back to earth, it will not be as a righteous poor man, the rich are destroying them. Instead God will come back in anger. Watch out!

    I don’t think the “people” can win here, but many are now realizing what they are up against. Trump is a rich man who has had everything except virtue and meaning in his life. He is looking to be remembered and for salvation.

    The wise and powerful will simply redouble their efforts to ensure the communities or the “people” are flooded with drugs and porn, that men and women are turned against each other, that crime is unpunished and the communities are flooded with graffiti, violent men, thieves, and that children are taken away and marriages destroyed. They will try to restrict or warp their information. They have overlooked that in recent times.

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    Okay as an atheist who pulled the lever for DT, I have a question for yourself as a believing Christian , a question which I have posed innumerable times to God-believers over the last fifty years and for which I have to this day not recieved a viable answer, okay here it is, and please read it very carefully :
    The Hitler puzzle :
    So if God, as according to you God-believing folks "knows" the future, and If God created everything and everybody including Hitler, this means then that God also "Knew" that Hitler , in the future, would be directly and indirectly responsible murders of ca sixty million humans.
    But according to you Christian God-believers God also allowed for the exercise of " free-will" meaning then that he "Allowed" Hitler to exercise his "Free-will" through the accomplishment of the murders of sixty million human beings.
    Now of course he, God, could have avoided this carnage by simply not creating Hitler in the first place and thusly nullifying his, Hitler's "Free-will", however God apparently considered Hitler's free-will to have priority over the survival of his, Hitler's" sixty million victims, and he , God, therefore went ahead and created him, Hitler, anyway, fully knowing, seeing as God "Knows" the future, fully knowing what was going to occur, which could have been avoided, had God chosen to not create Hitler.
    So the situation is/was : If God would have not created Hitler, his victims, of which God had, knowing the future according to your teachings, full knowledge, these people would have not become the ultimate victims of AH.
    Or to put it in simple terms : God, knowing the future, knew that Hitler was going to murder sixty million people, and he went ahead and created him anyway, so as not violate Hitler's exercise of free-will.
    So just what is your own take on this issue?

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

    , @I see his blood upon the rose
    Agreed, the morals and goodness of humanity are being constantly eroded. Is it by the powerful? Maybe, just look at the whole promotion of homosexuality and everything else you talk about. I think it is more the face of the evil forces who infiltrate humanity, and I see in the youth of today such lack of thinking capacity due to education, technology etc. it is frightening. As a teacher, I could see a consistent decline, with many more damaged children with each year.

    Evil has taken the upper hand as technology progresses, and it will take some God given event to change it. Choice is ours, to fall prey, or to get off the tv. addiction or whatever it is, and get back to a moral Christ centred life.
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  25. Wally says: • Website

    Definitely, wearing pink ‘PUSSY’ hats helps advance ‘women’s dignity’

    ‘feminist’ Miley Cyrus certainly knows how to advance ‘women’s dignity’:

    As for the tired old Argumentum ad Hitlerum:

    There was Hitler with the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ and there was Hitler without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    Must reads:
    Holocaust Handbooks & Documentaries

    http://holocausthandbooks.com

    and:

    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1

    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

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  26. The Saker makes an interesting proposition: use 9/11 as the lever to expose the deep state.
    That might just work if engaged expertly.

    The frustration I have had in observing the deep state’s control of everything in our lives can be distilled into the fact that the neocons, Israelis, and the International bankers that comprise the deep state are so entrenched in the very fabric of this nation, with complete control of finance, media, and politics, that it seems that dislodging them would be an insurmountable task. Over the decades (centuries?) cancer has spread to the extent that there seems no way to excise it, and that has slowly turned this country into a collection of impotent cynics.

    I didn’t vote for Trump. I voted against Hillary. I am not alone in this.

    But now that he is my president, a lot of my hopes for this country that I love are tied to his success in dislodging the deep state. 9/11 may well be the means of achieving that elusive goal.

    Despite all that has been written about 9/11, and the fact that the official story doesn’t hold water, I can’t pretend to know what actually happened on that fateful day or how it was accomplished, and beyond a deep conviction of who the perpetrators of that invasion were, I don’t really know who committed this heinous crime. There is enough circumstantial evidence for me to believe that it wasn’t committed by 19 cave-dwellers with box-cutters, 7 of whom turned out to be alive and well afterward.

    A crime of this magnitude and the sophistication of its execution could only have been realized by the forces of the deep state, and their hubris and impunity may well be their downfall. If Trump can expose just a handful of the executors of this attack, it could unravel everything, since the complicity of all the supporting entities, from the media, the think tanks, and the financial institutions, and their minions in Congress, would bring the entire enterprise crashing down into its own footprint at free fall speeds. He claims to know more about 9/11 than the rest of us do. If that is true, then there is cause for hope. He did just place a portrait of Jackson in the Oval Office, so perhaps he may be inspired as Jackson was to destroy the den of vipers.

    Can Trump do it without ending up pushing daisies like JFK/RFK/MLK? The odds are against it, but the possibility exists, however improbable. If he can marshall the support of the people, he may well achieve it.

    And that is why the deep state is fomenting a civil war in this country. Their survival depends on preventing the citizens of this great nation from uniting under one banner, so they fan the flames of dissension and discord because as long as we fight among ourselves, the puppet masters are safe and continue to grow.

    Deflect, distract, divide, and dominate: a tried and true strategy of our demonic overlords. Will they continue to win?

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    "And that is why the deep state is fomenting a civil war in this country. Their survival depends on preventing the citizens of this great nation from uniting under one banner, so they fan the flames of dissension and discord because as long as we fight among ourselves, the puppet masters are safe and continue to grow"
    Thank you. So true, unfortunately.
    , @Harold100
    Good points all. Two comments.
    Trump certainly knew the day of 911 that it was phony. Just listen to his radio interview on that day. He went on and on about touring the twin towers with his structural engineer and how strong those buildings were. The twin towers were fantastically over designed because finite element analysis by digital computer hadn't been invented yet. Also, by the time you make a quarter mile high structure able to withstand 140 mph winds, it's going to be impervious to anything else.
    Secondly, it's easily demonstrated that part of the deep state backs Trump. Erik Prince, CEO of Blackwater, gave interviews to Infowars, a NYC local TV station and others on Nov 4 which essentially blackmailed FBI director Comey into reopening the Hillary investigation. He claimed NYPD would call a press conference exposing the sex crimes revealed in the Weiner laptop if the FBI didn't investigate. Black water is by definition an important cog in the deep state. Of course, all those generals backing Trump show evidence of military backing also, and the military must be an important part of the deep state.
    So my operating hypothesis is there is a civil war among the deep state. Even better, perhaps the military has rebelled against the ongoing destruction of America by the moronic invade-the-world-invite-the-world policy.
    Trump represents so much lighter a parasitic load on the American people that we should all support him, if necessary in the streets with guns. Do you think Soros' pussy-hatters can match that?
    But I wouldn't look to Trump to investigate 911. That is the nuclear option. Even fat lazy Americans might find murder of 3000 innocent Americans by the deep state too much to put up with. That would ruin the party for The faction Trump fronts as well.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    Whilst I agree with much of what you've written allow me to posit the notion that Pizzagate, with Jeffrey Epstein in particular, might be an easier way to unlock the box of secrets that goes far wider than just 9/11. I do agree that 9/11 is the great treason with which those responsible for so much might be brought to account.
    , @george strong
    Don't you dare puts God-Emperor Trump's name in the same sentence as KGB-plant traitor MLK and bleeding heart commie RFK.
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  27. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Diogenes
    Shall we rejoice? The most powerful country on earth is disintegrating through internal strife between rival factions which no longer share a common vision and purpose.
    We are witnessing a slow and inexorable decay of the "united" states into the disunited States of America which is now so polarized with internal divisions on multi dimensional levels that it will lead to it's own self-destruction. Let's just list a few destabilizing cracks in the edifice of the American state:
    1.between a demagogic President and the "Deep State
    2. a class war between the financial elites [bankers] and the rest resulting in a greater wealth gap disparity,
    3. a race war between whites, blacks, Hispanics,etc
    4.a religious war between Christian whites, immigrant Muslims and the much hated Jewish interlopers,
    5.between capitalists and unemployed workers,
    6.between urban Liberals and rural conservatives,
    7.inter factional turf wars within the National Security State, Intelligence and Military, etc, complex,
    8. dysfunctional partisan infighting within corrupt governmental systems.
    9.domestic ideological strife as overtly democratic practise and governance is weakened and authoritarian practices [militarized police and domestic spying] are covertly strengtened .

    Unfortunately the standard response to civil unrest is to set aside differences and to unite against an external threat such as Russia, China, Iran and world wide Terrorism.

    Perhaps most of the American population won't fall for that ploy anymore and just carry on with a war promoting their own internal agendas and try to defeat their real enemies within the country.

    Either way it will be more chaos and destruction, it's best it remains an internal affair and not a world wide calamity.

    Do you mean, ‘the Deep State/elites/superiors do not want, and the populace/plebs/inferiors can not live as before’. That’s a Lenin’s definition of revolutionary situation, every Soviet citizen learned this in grade 8 (societal studies and history). But, as grandpa Lenin teaches us, revolutionary situation is not enough, there should exist a party to start a revolution.

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  28. Boris N says:

    the same weapon Putin used against the Russian elites

    Putin has used nothing against the Russian elites. The Russian elites have been using Putin. Or rather, they used him as a frontman to get rid of half a dozen of oligarchs who did not fit in their oligarchic mob (literally “half a dozen” – out of hundreds and thousands of oligarchs only 6 or so perished – that’s what Putin’s “purge” really is). Under Putin the oligarchs and crooked state officials are thriving as never before, even more so than under Yeltsin, even if they formally do not rule on public. Why bother after all, if they have a perfect frontman, while they can do their dirty business in robbing Russia on the sly. It’s not the “wild” 90s after all, business can be done quietly now.

    I’m not going to cite the whole Forbes 100 list, just one example. While Jewish-Uzbek (former?) criminal and mafiosi boss Alisher Burkhanovich Usmanov is building a new multi-million yacht every year, buying a new luxury villa in Nice or an estate in England, or amassing mines, factories, media outlets, social networks, English football clubs, and numerous other assets, you name it, at the same time at least 40 millions of elderly Russians live on $200 a month, many after the hard work for 40 or more years. After all that, tell us what is the difference between such “Burkhanovich”, thousands of them, and Khodorkovsky. There is absolutely no difference. Only a genuine Kremlin stooge on payroll with no shame and conscience can say that Putin is a menace to oligarchs. When will Swiss expats living somewhere in a cozy place in the USA start to understand that? Even if one is not on the Kremlin payroll, have people got no conscience to lie so blatantly to the readers, year after year?

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    The same opinion about the leadership of Russian Federation is expressed
    in numerous blog publications by Anatoliy Evgenievich Nesmyan,
    writing under the nick "El-murid",
    http://el-murid.livejournal.com/ .
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  29. As logical as Saker’s theory might sound, I believe something else is going on.
    For this, one only has to realize that Trump’s election never so much was about home affairs as it was about foreign affairs. The same was true for Obama, who was elected to make the rest of the world believe that peaceful pro-arab times had broken on when in fact the US empire and their bosses in the City of London just want to keep the upper hand in the coming one world government.
    Forget about a real revolution just because hundredthousands of people are in the streets. Even though many Americans have their own culture which has little in common with the corrupt elite, we have to recognize that the elite is pretty much in full control. Even though they might be working on taking guns away in the long run, Americans should not care too much about the media’s headlines. The media is in the hands of few and half of them probably are intelligence officers. The media is playing geopolitics and trying to influence the Chinese and the Russians.
    Americans, just do your own thing, do peaceful parenting, keep getting educated, read alternative media, and get wealthy! Only this way you will be free in the long run. Truth is, you have been overthrown long ago and I don’t see how America would look any different under a “new” color revolution.

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  30. FireCubed says:

    People, People. Want to see what is really happening in the USA? Look at the electoral Map. Islands of Liberal/Communist Blue in an ocean of American Red.
    Trump is the established orders last chance to right the ship of state.
    Should Trump be removed by violence or fails to halt the destruction of American Ideals , Patriots from the Sea of American Red will exact a terrible price from the perpetrators of violence against America from both within and without. We will not SUBMIT. Ever.
    Pray it never comes to open Civil Warfare.
    God Bless America,now more than ever.

    11BPatriots

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    FireCubed- you can bet that joining you will be lots of 11Bs, 03s,18Ds,13Bs, and more.
    , @Cannoli
    The ocean of red is all thanks to precise district drawing. In my state, it's been unconstitutional for years, but only now a supreme court ordered it all redrawn. Gerrymandering is about as un-American as it gets. It's nothing to celebrate.
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  31. Kyle a says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    "There will be secession movements that will balkanize the lower 48."

    That would work great if the movement for California to succeed works. It could become an open borders cesspool as all the illegals and half of Latin America storm in. Other states could bus their unwanted illegals there, and it would turn into a new Brazil (a rich upper class) and hordes of poor. The state language would become Spanish and crime would become rampant, but the rest of America would benefit. All the whites and asians would eventually flee (millions have already), and it would become a Third World failure. Parts of that state are already like that.

    Why would the Asians flee? They’ve taken over much of the politics in the cities with pull. Someone’s got to run the joint.

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    Because a California that is sixty percent Mexican, which is where we are heading, will eventually be physically unsafe for Asians in most places as well.
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  32. Kyle a says:
    @Anonymous
    Give me a break, Trump is not going to prosecute anyone on tax or corruption charges when he is probably guilty of corruption and tax fraud himself. That's why he isn't going to release his tax docs.

    And sorry, I don't buy the whole Trump vs the establishment narrative. This is just the deep state in civil war, with the peasantry left out in the cold as always.

    I will start to pay attention to Trump when he takes on Wallstreet and Isreal. Until then Trump is just the right version of Barack Obama.

    And this whole time I was under the impression he wasn’t releasing his tax docs to piss off anonymous nobody’s such as yourself. Winning.

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  33. Is there some good reason why this essay contains so many examples of imperfect English? Was it not edited?

    Examples of errors: (“{}” means delete, “[]” means add)
    (an{d} even bigger mistake!)
    Which, come to think of it, they might well do {it} soon…
    if it {was} [were] not for all [the] gravitas with which
    Watch how MCNBS’s [MSNBC's] talking head [is] blissfully reporting this event:
    investigating MCNBC [MSNBC]
    Iraqi soldiers tossing our [out] babies from Kuwaiti incubators
    the impeachment, overthrow{al} or death of Donald Trump
    has been since {“}9/11 [“]accomplice after the fact”
    careers are going to crash and burn in{to} the scandal
    a new investigation into 9[/]11 ["911" is an emergency phone number]
    I fully understand {that} [the] danger of what I am suggesting
    dead set {in} [on] impeaching, overthrowing or murdering Donald Trump
    I have a great deal of hope{s} for General Flynn.
    very close and used to work[ing] together
    We will never [k]now if what truly held him back are moral principles {of} [or] basic cowardice
    {they} [their] micro-identity
    the Russian equivalent {or} [of (or "for")] Hillary’s “deplorables” would be a [word] hard to pronounce for English speakers {word}, “быдло{“}[”], roughly “cattle”

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    This was penned by a Russian. I make similar mistakes all the time for the same very a reason, even though I always keep the "Preposition Mystery" book on my desk. English grammar is not complicated, but it takes years to grind and polish it properly, so the one could start producing something [grammatically] impeccable. And yes, I don't believe that "The Saker" has an editor-in-chief to go over the bloopers scattered here and there. Ask them, perhaps they can hire you as a part-timer :-)
    I'm a Russian Grammar-nazi myself...
    , @Terence
    I'm sorry Mark, I think that my offer to start moonlighting for "The Saker" was a bit...hasty. If you are the one who wrote and published "The Kanji Dictionary", you most likely do not seek any form of employment. Cheers.
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  34. dearieme says:
    @MarkinPNW
    Actually, it seems like pink is the new brown!

    Good point. And with Obama, brown was the new black.

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  35. Current events look to me like an attempt to re-establish normality after the horrors of the past twenty years, an indication that Western Civilisation doesn’t just plan to die without a fight. I agree with the Alt Right view that if we don’t win, our civilisation will die. It was a Flight 93 election and the people are now battling the terrorists for control of the plane.

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  36. Tedz says:

    “Trump is in danger of assassination”…what a load of Tripe…Trump is a Jew…..unlike the Kennedy brothers.

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  37. What we need is for Michael Moore to go on a hunger strike until the end of the Trump administration … then again, Trump might serve out two full terms before the hunger strike becomes dire.

    We might do the occasional show-trial in the US, but we typically don’t do full-scale purges a la Stalin, though we do do the occasional hit a la Stalin on Trotsky, except we make ours look like accidents, e.g. drowning under hot tub covers, small plane crashes, fiery car crashes, nail-gun accidents, and the occasional two-shots to the temple ruled a suicide, a la Vince Foster.

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  38. @Pat the Rat
    Saker in many ways the "people" were in far better shape in Russia than the "people" in the USA and the rest of the west.

    In Russia people were drenched in propaganda and religion was excluded, their lives were controlled but essentially not corrupted.

    In the west it is a different matter. The "people" have been utterly corrupted with a cultural war which has sought to destroy their virtue and goodness in every way.

    Rather than propaganda the wise and powerful in the west have been far more subtle, they have drenched their lives in violence and porn. They have turned women against their men with feminism. They have destroyed their families with welfare.They have destroyed their faith with TV and film and filled their head with garbage. They have sold their children drugs and made them the prey of evil men. They have destroyed their livelihoods and destroyed their independence with taxes and regulation.

    In short the powerful and wise have been particularly concerned to destroy all virtue in the poorer classes of society. It is hard for overweight drug addicted people with multiple children from multiple marriages who have jobs serving others and living in violent crime ridden communities to feel any power to fight back.

    God came to earth as a poor man and child in Jesus to shame the wise and powerful. Herod reacted by trying to kill the children before they could grow.

    That is what our wise and powerful do now, they are seeking to destroy and warp all those that might be a threat to their wealth. It is why they are so aghast at Trump.

    When God comes back to earth, it will not be as a righteous poor man, the rich are destroying them. Instead God will come back in anger. Watch out!

    I don't think the "people" can win here, but many are now realizing what they are up against. Trump is a rich man who has had everything except virtue and meaning in his life. He is looking to be remembered and for salvation.

    The wise and powerful will simply redouble their efforts to ensure the communities or the "people" are flooded with drugs and porn, that men and women are turned against each other, that crime is unpunished and the communities are flooded with graffiti, violent men, thieves, and that children are taken away and marriages destroyed. They will try to restrict or warp their information. They have overlooked that in recent times.

    Okay as an atheist who pulled the lever for DT, I have a question for yourself as a believing Christian , a question which I have posed innumerable times to God-believers over the last fifty years and for which I have to this day not recieved a viable answer, okay here it is, and please read it very carefully :
    The Hitler puzzle :
    So if God, as according to you God-believing folks “knows” the future, and If God created everything and everybody including Hitler, this means then that God also “Knew” that Hitler , in the future, would be directly and indirectly responsible murders of ca sixty million humans.
    But according to you Christian God-believers God also allowed for the exercise of ” free-will” meaning then that he “Allowed” Hitler to exercise his “Free-will” through the accomplishment of the murders of sixty million human beings.
    Now of course he, God, could have avoided this carnage by simply not creating Hitler in the first place and thusly nullifying his, Hitler’s “Free-will”, however God apparently considered Hitler’s free-will to have priority over the survival of his, Hitler’s” sixty million victims, and he , God, therefore went ahead and created him, Hitler, anyway, fully knowing, seeing as God “Knows” the future, fully knowing what was going to occur, which could have been avoided, had God chosen to not create Hitler.
    So the situation is/was : If God would have not created Hitler, his victims, of which God had, knowing the future according to your teachings, full knowledge, these people would have not become the ultimate victims of AH.
    Or to put it in simple terms : God, knowing the future, knew that Hitler was going to murder sixty million people, and he went ahead and created him anyway, so as not violate Hitler’s exercise of free-will.
    So just what is your own take on this issue?

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

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    This is the strongest argument against the existence of God. But it seems that an atheist would have to say such such evil is entirely gratuitous (if not denied). A totally unsatisfying answer. I think the Christian or Jew at least has the assurance that God has a reason for the existence of the evil. "Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him” (Job 13: 15). And this is St. Thomas Aquinas' ultimate answer in regard to evil. In response to this issue Aquinas cites St. Augustine:

    "As Augustine says, 'Since God is the highest good, He would not allow any evil to exist in His works unless His omnipotence and goodness were such as to bring good even out of evil.' This is part of the infinite goodness of God, that He should allow evil to exist and out of it produce good (I, 2,3)."

    So when you see something evil, whether a physical evil (like death) or a moral evil (like the oppression of the innocent), it's understood by the Jew and Christian that God in His infinite wisdom knows infinitely more than you do about it and doesn't prevent it even though He could, because He's bringing some greater good out of it, usually a good that we can't yet see, except by the eyes of faith and trust. I'm sure it's not a satisfying answer to an atheist, but IMO is a lot more satisfying than evil is merely gratuitous and it makes no sense to ask why.

    , @HdC
    Hmmm, maybe God knew that Hitler wouldn't kill anyone???

    No document, recording, Befehl, etc. has ever been found with which Hitler commanded followers to "go forth and gas Jews". There were the Zuendel trials in Toronto that conclusively proved this.

    Fact is, at the technical and practical level the narrative of the holocaust breaks down completely. No eye witness got the colour of the corpses correct, for example.

    Go and talk to a crematorium operator to find out what cremated human remains look like. They are run through a crushing machine to produce the fine granular material.

    And on and on go the inconsistencies at the practical level. Hence the observation that the claims of the holocaust may make a nice fairy tale useful for cowing and extortion purposes but, at the nitty gritty operational requirements level the claims disappear like the mist in the morning.

    So yes, God knew what he was doing. HdC
    , @Anon

    God, knowing the future, knew that Hitler was going to murder sixty million people, and he went ahead and created him anyway, so as not violate Hitler’s exercise of free-will.
     
    1. The argument has a minor flaw because it presumes that we can understand the motivations of an infinite being. However, many Christians would tolerate this flaw because they believe their favorite theologies can do exactly that.

    2. The argument implicitly assumes that human understanding of physical suffering and death are more important than God's understanding. Anyone who argues from the Old Testament can cite the Book of Job against this, but I do not argue from the Old Testament. I argue thus: a higher mind should not and must not get sentimental about the suffering of a lower mind when the higher mind must inflict pain for the good of that lower mind.

    Analogy: A child gets a thorn stuck in its hand. The child's mother uses a sterile needle to gouge the thorn out. This is necessary and painful, and the child feels all the anguish of Job or Christ crucified. But in fact, the child is stupid and ignorant. The pain is necessary in the greater scheme of things. When the child grows up, the child realizes that the thorn would have led to gangrene if it had not been gouged out promptly.

    Thus God can know the future and God can create any number of things that cause pain in the human sense. Only if humans can elevate their minds can humans hope to understand why human pain is an infinitesimal fraction of the grand scheme of things.

    , @Stonehands
    Jazzman, anons answer to you is sufficient for me, so let me ask you this:

    If there is merely the great chain of existence, a Parmenidean block universe where free will is an illusion- how in the world do you subscribe to such a thing as sublime as jazz improvisation?

    Don't musicians ascribe their feelings of INSPIRATION ( l am thinking of Bach here) to a Creator (we are made in His image- CREATIVE!).

    It seems that the love that makes the strings vibrate in sympathetic occilations is more conducive to surrender and faith, then the despair of Neitzche, or Sartres suicidal resolution in The Myth Of Sysiphus.

    Even Wagner eventually told Nietzche to get lost.

    And that old atheist who gave us his "theories" of time (Einstein the fiddle player) could read the notes perfectly-but had no "feel" no "rythym" no "timing"...no SPIRIT!

    , @Dube
    The classic philosophical "problem of evil." You don't need "Hitler" to demonstrate the problem; you might ask, why did God create the world and thereby allow anyone here to do .... [fill in your own blank]. One answer that is commonly offered in justification, though not always understood and accepted: God personally takes the penalty.
    , @Pat the Rat
    LOL Jazzman, you got more replies than you bargained for.

    Some are very interesting too, and I will offer another, which I am not sure will satisfy you, but here goes.

    You are right about "free will", everything hangs on that. Most deep thinking atheists that I have discussed these issues with reject free will. More on that later.

    For the purposes of your argument let's accept free will exists and God allowed Hitler to exercise his and therefore God bears some guilt for the holocaust. It is a pretty strong argument it is true. Augustine's argument against it is pretty strong too.

    I would fill the argument out a bit by pointing out in Christian theology God is completely good, and has free will himself, and giving us free will was an act of goodness, a gift from God, a kind of emulation of his powers in us.

    Unlike God though, who is completely good, we have the capacity for evil, we can use our free will to do evil .

    Because God is only capable of doing good, even by giving us the capacity to exercise our free will and do evil there must be perfect judgement of all actions by God. This is the crux or the matter. Free will means ultimate justice.

    In other words God is not only totally good, but must also be totally just. Justice must reign if we have free will and there is a God. Every man will pay his dues for his sins in this life or after death, as Jesus says everyone will pay to the "last penny".

    You, me and Hitler.

    Now lets look at Hitler, an exceptionally evil man to be sure, but is the guilt totally his. Did he act alone: the ideas about Nationalism, Eugenics, Racial based mysticism, Anti semitism were also shared by large numbers of people all over the world, not just in Germany. The horrors and atrocities of war were committed by both sides, didn't many western countries refuse to help the Jews.

    My point is Hitler was a curse, and his sins were in large part our own sins, we, our society brought forth Hitler and we reaped the whirlwind of our own sins in the form of Hitler who became the scourge which nearly destroyed us all.

    Why should God interfere, we bring all this ourselves with our own actions, and ultimately we will all pay not just Hitler.

    For Christians no doubt watching porn is evil, and the woman in the porn movie is engaged in evil also. But who is most evil Jazzman, the woman and man who might have been told by intellectuals and feminists that porn is simply another way of living no better or worse than other ways. What about the director, or the cameraman, or the money man financing it. How about the politicians who allow laws which encourage the production of porn. My bet is the actress and man watching are not as guilty in the grand scheme of things than the others. Not simple questions.

    Why should God intervene particularly when people have the chance to repent and reject evil and move towards God and save their soul and find goodness and life. A very important point for whenever there is evil there is also the chance for the prodigal son to find his way home to the father and all heaven rejoices as it says in the gospels. Goodness comes out of evil. Great goodness often comes from evil times.

    Now I will take up the "free will" issue in regard to atheism I mentioned earlier.

    I think there is good reason to suspect that a universe with free will but no universal moral code provided by God would quickly degenerate into the most incredible evil and horror. Many of the deeper thinking atheists I think understand this and attempt to deny free will altogether. I think that is why materialism has such appeal to atheists, the moral questions around free will make their heads explode, they prefer to edit it from the story.

    Take this example I will give you:

    A secret policeman in the former Soviet Union is ordered to take a family, parents and children and have them shipped to a prison camp where some or all are bound to suffer and die.

    He knows that they are innocent of any crime.

    He also knows if he refuses to do what he is being ordered to do the result could be terrible for himself.

    The policeman is an atheist.

    What is the moral thing for him to do?

    I hope you have read all this Jazzman.

    I am no theologian so I am sure plenty will disagree with me, but you asked me for my thoughts on the Hitler problem and unfortunately the answer needed to be a little lengthy.

    Thanks Pat the Rat

    , @Peetee
    God never intended evil to enter the world.
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  39. Saker

    The MUZZIES did 9/11..all by themselves…

    As you are an immigrant…you identify with the MUZZIE invaders…Muslim immigrants are good people=enter the 9/11 conspiracy theory nuttery.

    POTUS Trump is eager to bomb Iran…and Hezzbollah in Syria…And this means war with Christian Russia…and this kind of refutes your conspiracy theory…maybe not. Maybe it’s all about promoting homosexual-pedophile-Comet Pizza-Democratic Party Values in Christian Russia.

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  40. @Anonymous
    I can see a future America that is Balkanized. But I doubt there would be civil war or succession if Trump is martyred.

    You might see that in isolated areas like Montana or Iowa.

    But for the most part, Americans are apathetic and will not put forth the effort to change things if it requires sacrifice. Look at how America rolled over when JFK was assassinated.

    But for the most part, Americans are apathetic and will not put forth the effort to change things if it requires sacrifice.

    For sure. They typically won’t even expend the effort to search for the truth; they have been, continue to be, and always shall be content to wallow in mythology.

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    "They typically won’t even expend the effort to search for the truth; they have been, continue to be, and always shall be content to wallow in mythology."

    Mostly yes. As for what Americans might do or not do under duress, the dire prognostications in this thread seem to posit scenarios based only on the current conditions. As history amply demonstrates, it is under some combination of political turmoil and economic distress that the mythology is more likely to be armed and dangerous. So long as folks have basic provisions and comforts they are not easily moved to counter-revolution.

    Revolutionaries on the other hand...
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  41. Agent76 says:

    Jan 19, 2017 America Under Siege: Civil War 2017

    While 700,000 protesters are converging on Washington D.C. for Inauguration Day—in addition to anti-Trump rallies planned in dozens of cities across the country—the political groups behind the protests remain shrouded in mystery. As Fox News Channel first reported, Civil War 2017 uncovers an extensive network of neo-Marxist operatives coordinating highly disruptive and potentially violent protests from coast to coast.

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  42. David says:
    @European-American
    > What are they talking about?! The fact that Obama is still the President?!

    The date of the video is Jan. 18. Obama was still president for 2 days.

    Shouldn’t there be a correction or clarification in the article’s text if this comment is right? Without that, both the people in the video are being falsely disparaged.

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  43. annamaria says:
    @WorkingClass
    From my worm's eye view it appears that Trump is relying on AIPAC to protect him from the congress and the army to protect him from the spooks. I doubt he can be impeached. I fear he will be martyred. I was born a white working class deplorable in 1944. I know my people. I know the nature of the Empire having served in the U.S. Army under Johnson and Nixon. If Trump is murdered there will not be revolution. There will be secession movements that will balkanize the lower 48.

    I like your idea about using truth as a weapon. Like holy water on a vampire. Keep up the good work Saker.

    “…using truth as a weapon. Like holy water on a vampire.”
    Excellent.

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  44. annamaria says:
    @Diogenes
    Shall we rejoice? The most powerful country on earth is disintegrating through internal strife between rival factions which no longer share a common vision and purpose.
    We are witnessing a slow and inexorable decay of the "united" states into the disunited States of America which is now so polarized with internal divisions on multi dimensional levels that it will lead to it's own self-destruction. Let's just list a few destabilizing cracks in the edifice of the American state:
    1.between a demagogic President and the "Deep State
    2. a class war between the financial elites [bankers] and the rest resulting in a greater wealth gap disparity,
    3. a race war between whites, blacks, Hispanics,etc
    4.a religious war between Christian whites, immigrant Muslims and the much hated Jewish interlopers,
    5.between capitalists and unemployed workers,
    6.between urban Liberals and rural conservatives,
    7.inter factional turf wars within the National Security State, Intelligence and Military, etc, complex,
    8. dysfunctional partisan infighting within corrupt governmental systems.
    9.domestic ideological strife as overtly democratic practise and governance is weakened and authoritarian practices [militarized police and domestic spying] are covertly strengtened .

    Unfortunately the standard response to civil unrest is to set aside differences and to unite against an external threat such as Russia, China, Iran and world wide Terrorism.

    Perhaps most of the American population won't fall for that ploy anymore and just carry on with a war promoting their own internal agendas and try to defeat their real enemies within the country.

    Either way it will be more chaos and destruction, it's best it remains an internal affair and not a world wide calamity.

    Add to that the cultivated infantilism of progressives

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  45. annamaria says:
    @animalogic
    I just wish to voice my AMAZEMENT at the political STUPIDITY of (so-called) "progressives"
    Broadly, they have become the willing enthusiastic TOOLS of their own enemies (deep state/neo-con's etc).
    Narrowly, their political tactics are MORONIC. Do they really think they will reach out to working Americans by protesting the simple FACT that Trump is president ? Protest is actually counter productive in the absence of defined & specific goals.
    Anyway, at this rate they'll move on from shooting themselves in the foot to shooting themselves in the head in short order.
    Fucking amateurs.

    The “progressives” want to be forever youthful and “rebellious” — but in a safe way. You know, traveling in Europe and the US ( by business class preferably) with the fiery speeches on how Trump is a bad, very bad misogynist and racist, while carefully “forgetting” the seven Obama-maintained wars agains the brown people of the Middle East, the fantastically warm relationships between the US (and Clintons in particular) and the despotic states of Saudis and Qatari, and the eight (8!) years of Obama’s smart fight against the universal healthcare and for insurance/Pharma corporations in the US. The colored emperor used to choose personally what people should be droned (extrajudicially) among the brown people far away from the US. The collateral damage of hospitals, schools, weddings, and funerals was not of Obama concern. At least the very bad Soviets had built a university in Afghanistan, which produced the first cohort of Afghani women professionals.
    And the US “progressives?” – their next big passion after trashing the deplorables’ choice is to write a soulful stuff on psychedelics and ayahuasca. You know, on how to get a nirvana with zero efforts. Infantilism at its best.

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    Well said.
    Thank you!
    , @animalogic
    Thank you for your reply. You're spot-on, of course.
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  46. annamaria says:
    @Cloak And Dagger
    The Saker makes an interesting proposition: use 9/11 as the lever to expose the deep state.
    That might just work if engaged expertly.

    The frustration I have had in observing the deep state's control of everything in our lives can be distilled into the fact that the neocons, Israelis, and the International bankers that comprise the deep state are so entrenched in the very fabric of this nation, with complete control of finance, media, and politics, that it seems that dislodging them would be an insurmountable task. Over the decades (centuries?) cancer has spread to the extent that there seems no way to excise it, and that has slowly turned this country into a collection of impotent cynics.

    I didn't vote for Trump. I voted against Hillary. I am not alone in this.

    But now that he is my president, a lot of my hopes for this country that I love are tied to his success in dislodging the deep state. 9/11 may well be the means of achieving that elusive goal.

    Despite all that has been written about 9/11, and the fact that the official story doesn't hold water, I can't pretend to know what actually happened on that fateful day or how it was accomplished, and beyond a deep conviction of who the perpetrators of that invasion were, I don't really know who committed this heinous crime. There is enough circumstantial evidence for me to believe that it wasn't committed by 19 cave-dwellers with box-cutters, 7 of whom turned out to be alive and well afterward.

    A crime of this magnitude and the sophistication of its execution could only have been realized by the forces of the deep state, and their hubris and impunity may well be their downfall. If Trump can expose just a handful of the executors of this attack, it could unravel everything, since the complicity of all the supporting entities, from the media, the think tanks, and the financial institutions, and their minions in Congress, would bring the entire enterprise crashing down into its own footprint at free fall speeds. He claims to know more about 9/11 than the rest of us do. If that is true, then there is cause for hope. He did just place a portrait of Jackson in the Oval Office, so perhaps he may be inspired as Jackson was to destroy the den of vipers.

    Can Trump do it without ending up pushing daisies like JFK/RFK/MLK? The odds are against it, but the possibility exists, however improbable. If he can marshall the support of the people, he may well achieve it.

    And that is why the deep state is fomenting a civil war in this country. Their survival depends on preventing the citizens of this great nation from uniting under one banner, so they fan the flames of dissension and discord because as long as we fight among ourselves, the puppet masters are safe and continue to grow.

    Deflect, distract, divide, and dominate: a tried and true strategy of our demonic overlords. Will they continue to win?

    “And that is why the deep state is fomenting a civil war in this country. Their survival depends on preventing the citizens of this great nation from uniting under one banner, so they fan the flames of dissension and discord because as long as we fight among ourselves, the puppet masters are safe and continue to grow”
    Thank you. So true, unfortunately.

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  47. JamesG says:

    It amazes me to see that the very same people which have demonized Putin for years are not demonizing Trump using exactly the same methods.

    Typo alert.

    I am sure you meant ” … are now demonizing Trump …”

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  48. Trump has a much more powerful weapon he can unleash against the Neocon: 9/11 … while 9/11 was a US “deep state” operation (probably subcontracted for execution to the Israelis) …

    Trump’s number 1 problem is his rampant, out-of-control Zionism. If he fails at home or gets us into another mess in the ME, that’ll be the reason.

    Trump needs to go the “RT route” and open his own TV channel. Of course, this will be very hard and time consuming, and he might have to begin with an Internet-based only channel, but as long as there is enough money there, he can make it happen.

    Breitbartvision?

    When I see these crowds of Trump-bashers I see pure, seething hatred not of the AngloZionist Empire, or of a plutocracy masquerading as a democracy, but a hatred of what I would call the “simple America” or the “daily America” – the simple people amongst whom I have now lived for many years and learned to respect and appreciate and whom the Clinton-bots only think of as “deplorables”.

    That’s really what’s at stake here: not Trump, but us. If they try a ‘Maidan’ here in the US, I predict it’ll end up a lot like the situation in Ukraine: some states will secede like Crimea, while those that can’t will wage a campaign of resistance as in western Donbass.

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  49. Ummm, generally speaking, I enjoy reading the Saker. And, mostly I find his remarks and opinions well-founded. Finally, I appreciate his point of view as it’s so very different from most others, including what might be described as the American counter-deep state opinion writers.

    But this article, is troublesome to me.

    I tend to agree that Mr. Trump best avoid grassy knolls and open convertible roofs. And, I tend to agree that the intelligence agencies are, have been and will well into the future be the greatest actual and proximal threat to the nation.

    But some of Saker’s forecasting and recommendations in this article seem, well, over the top, nonsensical and outlandish. A TV channel, indeed?

    Come back to earth Saker. Make sense again.

    LF

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    Expect to see the Brietbart News Network on cable within a year.
    , @Dissenter
    Indeed, and all these "analyst"s what are trying to do is spreeding fear and distrust. First, it was fear of a nuclear war, now that this danger is over, it is fear of a civil war, the thing is getting people scared without rest so as to give up trying to get a real democratic society where all people is accountable, including oligarchs suppossedly saviors of the working class who does not pledge to show their tax record.

    Also agree with SteveRogers42 in that Breitbart News Network will be on air in less than we could wait, as the Official Bulletin of the Trump´s administration and that many outlets and blogs out there which seemed to be created with whatever aims, will become their subsidiary tools. In fact, many have evolved quite strangely since the election day and even previous months, as The Saker´s site itself, which have become under a harsh censure, not publishing anything which could criticize Mattis or Flynn. Why?

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  50. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Authenticjazman
    Okay as an atheist who pulled the lever for DT, I have a question for yourself as a believing Christian , a question which I have posed innumerable times to God-believers over the last fifty years and for which I have to this day not recieved a viable answer, okay here it is, and please read it very carefully :
    The Hitler puzzle :
    So if God, as according to you God-believing folks "knows" the future, and If God created everything and everybody including Hitler, this means then that God also "Knew" that Hitler , in the future, would be directly and indirectly responsible murders of ca sixty million humans.
    But according to you Christian God-believers God also allowed for the exercise of " free-will" meaning then that he "Allowed" Hitler to exercise his "Free-will" through the accomplishment of the murders of sixty million human beings.
    Now of course he, God, could have avoided this carnage by simply not creating Hitler in the first place and thusly nullifying his, Hitler's "Free-will", however God apparently considered Hitler's free-will to have priority over the survival of his, Hitler's" sixty million victims, and he , God, therefore went ahead and created him, Hitler, anyway, fully knowing, seeing as God "Knows" the future, fully knowing what was going to occur, which could have been avoided, had God chosen to not create Hitler.
    So the situation is/was : If God would have not created Hitler, his victims, of which God had, knowing the future according to your teachings, full knowledge, these people would have not become the ultimate victims of AH.
    Or to put it in simple terms : God, knowing the future, knew that Hitler was going to murder sixty million people, and he went ahead and created him anyway, so as not violate Hitler's exercise of free-will.
    So just what is your own take on this issue?

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

    This is the strongest argument against the existence of God. But it seems that an atheist would have to say such such evil is entirely gratuitous (if not denied). A totally unsatisfying answer. I think the Christian or Jew at least has the assurance that God has a reason for the existence of the evil. “Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him” (Job 13: 15). And this is St. Thomas Aquinas’ ultimate answer in regard to evil. In response to this issue Aquinas cites St. Augustine:

    “As Augustine says, ‘Since God is the highest good, He would not allow any evil to exist in His works unless His omnipotence and goodness were such as to bring good even out of evil.’ This is part of the infinite goodness of God, that He should allow evil to exist and out of it produce good (I, 2,3).”

    So when you see something evil, whether a physical evil (like death) or a moral evil (like the oppression of the innocent), it’s understood by the Jew and Christian that God in His infinite wisdom knows infinitely more than you do about it and doesn’t prevent it even though He could, because He’s bringing some greater good out of it, usually a good that we can’t yet see, except by the eyes of faith and trust. I’m sure it’s not a satisfying answer to an atheist, but IMO is a lot more satisfying than evil is merely gratuitous and it makes no sense to ask why.

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    Btw, if we did understand the reasons why God allowed every evil He allows, if we understood “the big picture”, we would be as wise as God; and in that case there would be no God above ourselves, and this would not disprove atheism, this would prove atheism.
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  51. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    This is the strongest argument against the existence of God. But it seems that an atheist would have to say such such evil is entirely gratuitous (if not denied). A totally unsatisfying answer. I think the Christian or Jew at least has the assurance that God has a reason for the existence of the evil. "Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him” (Job 13: 15). And this is St. Thomas Aquinas' ultimate answer in regard to evil. In response to this issue Aquinas cites St. Augustine:

    "As Augustine says, 'Since God is the highest good, He would not allow any evil to exist in His works unless His omnipotence and goodness were such as to bring good even out of evil.' This is part of the infinite goodness of God, that He should allow evil to exist and out of it produce good (I, 2,3)."

    So when you see something evil, whether a physical evil (like death) or a moral evil (like the oppression of the innocent), it's understood by the Jew and Christian that God in His infinite wisdom knows infinitely more than you do about it and doesn't prevent it even though He could, because He's bringing some greater good out of it, usually a good that we can't yet see, except by the eyes of faith and trust. I'm sure it's not a satisfying answer to an atheist, but IMO is a lot more satisfying than evil is merely gratuitous and it makes no sense to ask why.

    Btw, if we did understand the reasons why God allowed every evil He allows, if we understood “the big picture”, we would be as wise as God; and in that case there would be no God above ourselves, and this would not disprove atheism, this would prove atheism.

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  52. HdC says:
    @Authenticjazman
    Okay as an atheist who pulled the lever for DT, I have a question for yourself as a believing Christian , a question which I have posed innumerable times to God-believers over the last fifty years and for which I have to this day not recieved a viable answer, okay here it is, and please read it very carefully :
    The Hitler puzzle :
    So if God, as according to you God-believing folks "knows" the future, and If God created everything and everybody including Hitler, this means then that God also "Knew" that Hitler , in the future, would be directly and indirectly responsible murders of ca sixty million humans.
    But according to you Christian God-believers God also allowed for the exercise of " free-will" meaning then that he "Allowed" Hitler to exercise his "Free-will" through the accomplishment of the murders of sixty million human beings.
    Now of course he, God, could have avoided this carnage by simply not creating Hitler in the first place and thusly nullifying his, Hitler's "Free-will", however God apparently considered Hitler's free-will to have priority over the survival of his, Hitler's" sixty million victims, and he , God, therefore went ahead and created him, Hitler, anyway, fully knowing, seeing as God "Knows" the future, fully knowing what was going to occur, which could have been avoided, had God chosen to not create Hitler.
    So the situation is/was : If God would have not created Hitler, his victims, of which God had, knowing the future according to your teachings, full knowledge, these people would have not become the ultimate victims of AH.
    Or to put it in simple terms : God, knowing the future, knew that Hitler was going to murder sixty million people, and he went ahead and created him anyway, so as not violate Hitler's exercise of free-will.
    So just what is your own take on this issue?

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

    Hmmm, maybe God knew that Hitler wouldn’t kill anyone???

    No document, recording, Befehl, etc. has ever been found with which Hitler commanded followers to “go forth and gas Jews”. There were the Zuendel trials in Toronto that conclusively proved this.

    Fact is, at the technical and practical level the narrative of the holocaust breaks down completely. No eye witness got the colour of the corpses correct, for example.

    Go and talk to a crematorium operator to find out what cremated human remains look like. They are run through a crushing machine to produce the fine granular material.

    And on and on go the inconsistencies at the practical level. Hence the observation that the claims of the holocaust may make a nice fairy tale useful for cowing and extortion purposes but, at the nitty gritty operational requirements level the claims disappear like the mist in the morning.

    So yes, God knew what he was doing. HdC

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    Look you are not getting my point, which is: We can exchange the name Hitler with anyone from Stalin to Gacy to Bundy to the guy who crashed a plane with 150 passengers, to untold numbers of mass murderers and the question remains :

    If God knows the future and he then also knows that certain individuals which he creates are going to be mass murderers, then why does he not simply refrain from creating these specific individuals, or is then the "Free will of these murderous types more important than the survival of their victims.

    I myself am an atheist to the bone , however for this one question I have yet to receive a logical answer.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

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  53. Agent76 says:

    January 4, 2015 How America Was Lost: from 9/11 to the Police/Warfare State

    “Americans need to understand that they have lost their country. The rest of the world needs to recognize that Washington is not merely the most complete police state since Stalinism, but also a threat to the entire world. The hubris and arrogance of Washington, combined with Washington’s huge supply of weapons of mass destruction, make Washington the greatest threat that has ever existed to all life on the planet. Washington is the enemy of all humanity.”—Paul Craig Roberts

    http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2015/01/04/513867a-review-of-paul-craig-roberts-how-america-was-lost-from-911-to-the-policewarfare-state/

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  54. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Apparently there’s a large mob-in-the-streets available to be brought out at any time. It’s becoming clear that this has been in the making for years in anticipation of having a need for something like this just in case. There’s a mechanism for for this in place and it must have been created surreptitiously over the years. The mobs create a sense of instability and things are staged so as to magnify the perception of their numbers. Although most appear to be lefty-fringe types they are probably getting their strings pulled by the not-very-left upper .1%. The constant din of protests is a part of these ‘color revolutions’. The American people are possibly going to get fed up with all this, one hopes, so we’ll see how this plays out.

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    In the UK, Christian groups like Quakers and some Methodists plus some public sector trade unions do act as an organizing core for left of centre demonstrations on social and some political issues. In most large towns, never mind cities, they can find a busfull for pretty much any demonstration. Christian groups in America are not socially radical but I assume there is some other movement to provide the structure. Feminists?
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  55. Skeptikal says:
    @anon

    get them on charges of tax evasion, corruption, conspiracy, obstruction of justice, etc.
     
    that won't work.

    they wrote the rules, i.e. on taxes.

    and if you research things like deeds and mortgages, you find that their properties are held in complicated trusts -- in other words, they have made themselves judgment proof.

    if you review their deeded properties, you notice they live relatively modestly; walking away would not be an enormous loss, and others of their community will cover their losses. Many of them have an offshore hideaway all set up; they have multiple passports.

    In 1932 many many German Jews voluntarily walked away from their properties in Germany -- they were not forced to, they chose to because they knew something others did not: that zionists Jews planned to "Exodus" -- in the full meaning of that mythic event -- Germany. Over a quarter-century earlier, Herzl had lobbied Kaiser Wilhelm to aid Jews to "exodus" -- his word -- from Germany.

    legal actions against neocons would be extremely difficult: this group will be on both sides of any action, both judge and defense counsel.

    Lamposts.
    no stoop no squat no squint no ugly bathtub ring

    “In 1932 many many German Jews voluntarily walked away from their properties in Germany — they were not forced to,”

    This remark betrays quite a lot of ignorance.
    Wealthy assimilated German Jews were not Zionists.
    Some family members did like the idea of moving to Palestine, but this was anomalous.
    Who would want to go to Palestine when life was good in Germany?
    Even after the Machtergreifung of 1933, for a long time the Nazi state was focused on prying away the wealth of the Jewish community.
    Please learn a little history before making silly allegations about German Jews volunteering to abandon their property in Germany in order to populate Palestine.

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    two examples of German Jews who voluntarily walked away, in 1932:

    Erich Mendelsohn, "the Jewish architect," left in 1932. Mendelsohn never tired of repeating the story of walking out of the house he built "with only a pencil in his pocket," -- that and plans to transform Palestine to a Mendelsohnian dream of the "international style" that he deemed was the only appropriate design for "modern" architecture.

    Leo Strauss, godfather of neoconservatism shed his admiration for the analysis of Carl Schmitt like a snake crawls out of his skin, when, in 1932, the opportunity to hie off to New York on the Rockefeller dime, presented itself.

    got anything else to throw at the wall?
    , @SolontoCroesus

    Who would want to go to Palestine when life was good in Germany?
     
    But, as has been stated before, in ~Feb. 1933 Louis Brandeis, Jewish hofjuden, directed that "all Jews must leave Germany."

    In 1935, Vladimir Jabotinsky, who had effectively taken control of the zionist movement with Revisionist zionism, decreed that all diaspora Jews must migrate to Palestine.

    Revisionist zionists created Mossad-el aliyeh bet, that worked in coordination with, and in the known presence of, German authorities, to persuade German Jews to leave Germany for Palestine.

    As you say, "Who would want to go to Palestine when life was good in Germany?", and voila, Kristallnacht.

    Who would have thought that by merely killing a second-tier German diplomat all hell could be made to break lose, and the synagogues and businesses that German Jews valued would be smashed and German Jews made to fear for their futures in Germany.
    Such a tragic coincidence.
    , @anarchyst
    For more on Zionist c0mplicity with the pre-WW2 German government, please obtain and read "51 Questions and Answers, Zionist Collaboration with the N azis" by author Lenni Brenner. You will find that the complicity went all the way up to the highest levels of the German government and the top Zionists.
    World Jewry, with Zionist encouragement, declared "war" on Germany in 1933, yes 1933...this was the Zionist leadership's way to marginalize and demonize jews in the eyes of the German people, and make it easier to "encourage" jews to give up their German life.
    As German jews had assimilated into German life and were reluctant to leave, a way had to be found to "encourage" them to move to Palestine. Hence, the marginalization and demonization "push" by Zionists, with the cooperation and encouragement of the German government.
    The rest is (relatively unknown) history.
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  56. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @annamaria
    The "progressives" want to be forever youthful and "rebellious" -- but in a safe way. You know, traveling in Europe and the US ( by business class preferably) with the fiery speeches on how Trump is a bad, very bad misogynist and racist, while carefully "forgetting" the seven Obama-maintained wars agains the brown people of the Middle East, the fantastically warm relationships between the US (and Clintons in particular) and the despotic states of Saudis and Qatari, and the eight (8!) years of Obama's smart fight against the universal healthcare and for insurance/Pharma corporations in the US. The colored emperor used to choose personally what people should be droned (extrajudicially) among the brown people far away from the US. The collateral damage of hospitals, schools, weddings, and funerals was not of Obama concern. At least the very bad Soviets had built a university in Afghanistan, which produced the first cohort of Afghani women professionals.
    And the US "progressives?" - their next big passion after trashing the deplorables' choice is to write a soulful stuff on psychedelics and ayahuasca. You know, on how to get a nirvana with zero efforts. Infantilism at its best.

    Well said.
    Thank you!

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  57. Sean says:

    Let me put it this way: while 9/11 was a US “deep state” operation (probably subcontracted for execution to the Israelis), the entire Washington “swamp” has been since “9/11 accomplice after the fact” by helping to maintain the cover-up. If this is brought into light, then thousands of political careers are going to crash and burn into the scandal.

    Quite, and from that apodictic fact we can deduce that any kind of deep state cabal with responsibility for carrying out or commissioning 9/11 would have had to have stopped, at whatever cost, Donald Trump from getting in the White House.

    So either Trump (with his NY and Israel connections) was the US mastermind behind the False Flag 9/11, or there wasn’t one.

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    Trump wasn't the "mastermind". It's that his NY and Israel connections mean that he's "fixed" and thus can't and won't bring anything to light if he were in a position to do so.
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  58. If these rotten liberals will take away the Mr. Trump and again get the power into their own hands, then the world will end, begin the many local wars which will lead to a world war! The citizens of the United States of America, defend and protect your President!

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    Many thanks sir or madame, we need all of the help and encouragement we can get.
    You give hope that not all of the Europeans are out of their minds ( I am assuming you are European)

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.
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  59. Rurik says:

    deep state cabal with responsibility for carrying out or commissioning 9/11 would have had to have stopped, at whatever cost, Donald Trump from getting in the White House.

    they sure tried, didn’t they?

    it could be that there are actual members of the intelligence communities and other members of the legitimate PTB that are not Zios or their stooges- who are outraged at what was done on 9/11 and by whom, especially when you consider all the generosity and largess that the U.S. has gushed upon Israel, and all of those trillions of dollars and lives lost in service to Israel, only to be repaid in turn with gratitude like the USS Liberty, and then 9/11 as icing on the cake.

    Isn’t that just possible, eh?

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  60. @HdC
    Hmmm, maybe God knew that Hitler wouldn't kill anyone???

    No document, recording, Befehl, etc. has ever been found with which Hitler commanded followers to "go forth and gas Jews". There were the Zuendel trials in Toronto that conclusively proved this.

    Fact is, at the technical and practical level the narrative of the holocaust breaks down completely. No eye witness got the colour of the corpses correct, for example.

    Go and talk to a crematorium operator to find out what cremated human remains look like. They are run through a crushing machine to produce the fine granular material.

    And on and on go the inconsistencies at the practical level. Hence the observation that the claims of the holocaust may make a nice fairy tale useful for cowing and extortion purposes but, at the nitty gritty operational requirements level the claims disappear like the mist in the morning.

    So yes, God knew what he was doing. HdC

    Look you are not getting my point, which is: We can exchange the name Hitler with anyone from Stalin to Gacy to Bundy to the guy who crashed a plane with 150 passengers, to untold numbers of mass murderers and the question remains :

    If God knows the future and he then also knows that certain individuals which he creates are going to be mass murderers, then why does he not simply refrain from creating these specific individuals, or is then the “Free will of these murderous types more important than the survival of their victims.

    I myself am an atheist to the bone , however for this one question I have yet to receive a logical answer.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

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    I believe there is a God, and yes, I have read the book entitled The Blind Watchmaker. I found it a truly fascinating read with details about biology I'd never heard about.

    And I am a licensed Professional Engineer running my very own practice until my retirement last year at the age of 70.

    I find it impossible to believe that by waiting -religiously- long enough one winds up with intelligent life. As an Engineer I KNOW that leaving things to their own devices will reduce organization: Machinery wears out and breaks down, simple observational fact. Civilizations succumb to new ones.

    Let's make this mind experiment: I'll give you a couple of billion years or so advantage in cell development and hand you a nice fresh steak. Can one honestly believe that by waiting another billion years or so that steak will develop -evolve- into a beautiful and intelligent young woman??? Me neither.

    Having said all that, I believe that God set a process in motion that gave us intelligent (mostly) human beings as an end result. Now then, there is a large group of people who believe that God takes an everyday interest in their daily lives guiding each step of the way; I certainly don't subscribe to this.

    I believe that once the development process was set in motion this development was left to its own devices, ie. a more-or-less hands-off approach. There may have been godly intervention from time to time; Jesus' birth attests to that as it changed the human development from an eye for an eye to a much more forgiving existence. Agreed that there were serious difficulties along the way.

    This left-to-its-own-devices development is consistent with what is called Free Will. People can choose to do what is called right or wrong, subject to law enforcement in organized society.

    Btw., you may sneer at your so-called German character faults all you like. I'd make the bet that there are very few, if any, that can compete with the ability to organize and get things done without having a rifle barrel stuck up their backside.

    Have you read a book entitled The Pity of War? It deals a little with the effectiveness of the various soldiers on the battle field. The main comparison was between the British and German personnel. Where the Tommy would sit on his duff awaiting orders, the German would go looking for trouble on his own initiative. Guess who was more effective during the chaos of battle? HdC
    , @survey-of-disinfo

    If God knows the future and he then also knows that certain individuals which he creates are going to be mass murderers, then why does he not simply refrain from creating these specific individuals, or is then the “Free will of these murderous types more important than the survival of their victims.
     
    (I do not wish to make light of this question. There is an entire book in the Hebrew Bible (Job) dedicated to its subtleties.)

    Al-Ghazali addresses one aspect of this question in his discourse on the 99 Beautiful Names of Allah: http://www.ghazali.org/books/Ghazali-99-Name-of-God.pdf (see page 9 of the pdf).

    In the specific case of evil minded individuals, in the Qur'an it is explictly addressed: it is a trial for them and also for believers.

    As you are an authentic Jazz man, you may wish to consider that at one point the music will stop, and you will be faced with either the applause or dismissal from your "audiance". Will you need to go back for further band practice or have you indeed arrived at the required level of mastery of making music.

    That this music making will in fact stop, or that there are punctuated harmonic resolution points, is a common theme no only in Abrahamic religions, but also the ealier Egyptian, Zoroastrian, and of course also Buddhism.

    Another aspect of God's permissiveness regarding evil minded consciousness (within the predetermined limits, of course) is that God is the Lord of Generosity. As the Prophet (SAWS) has said: "this world is the heaven of the disbelievers". And you know comes after that.

    A more intriguing uttering of God, and in my opinion direct vector to 'enlightenment', can be found in Sura 55 of the Qur'an. Pay attention to the chorous in that Sura Jazz Man and given your self attested intellect, see what you make of it!

    , @Vuy
    God woud then need to preclude the likes of you. Evil wins not due to the evil of a few but due to the collective chronic sin of all.
    , @Bill

    then why does he not simply refrain from creating these specific individuals,
     
    Consonance sounds better as a resolution to dissonance than consonance sounds on its own, for example. Suffering isn't bad, for example. God is up to things you don't understand, for example. It's a dumb question, really. Asking why we don't understand every jot and tittle of what an infinite being is up to is just stupid. Naturally, we would not.

    The free will defense to the theodicy "problem" is retarded, though, I agree with that.
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  61. @A view from the other side of the ocean
    If these rotten liberals will take away the Mr. Trump and again get the power into their own hands, then the world will end, begin the many local wars which will lead to a world war! The citizens of the United States of America, defend and protect your President!

    Many thanks sir or madame, we need all of the help and encouragement we can get.
    You give hope that not all of the Europeans are out of their minds ( I am assuming you are European)

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

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  62. @anonymous
    Apparently there's a large mob-in-the-streets available to be brought out at any time. It's becoming clear that this has been in the making for years in anticipation of having a need for something like this just in case. There's a mechanism for for this in place and it must have been created surreptitiously over the years. The mobs create a sense of instability and things are staged so as to magnify the perception of their numbers. Although most appear to be lefty-fringe types they are probably getting their strings pulled by the not-very-left upper .1%. The constant din of protests is a part of these 'color revolutions'. The American people are possibly going to get fed up with all this, one hopes, so we'll see how this plays out.

    In the UK, Christian groups like Quakers and some Methodists plus some public sector trade unions do act as an organizing core for left of centre demonstrations on social and some political issues. In most large towns, never mind cities, they can find a busfull for pretty much any demonstration. Christian groups in America are not socially radical but I assume there is some other movement to provide the structure. Feminists?

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    They have a vast array of social advocacy groups financed by the large fake charity foundations. They can always rely on a corp of professional tax subsidised activists who can summon help from thier networks and tap into the students.
    , @Hibernian
    Churches are heavily involved in left wing activism in the US.
    , @CanSpeccy

    In the UK, Christian groups like Quakers and some Methodists plus some public sector trade unions do act as an organizing core for left of centre demonstrations on social and some political issues.
     
    Quakers? Are you kidding? There aren't any Quakers in Britain — well a few thousand at most, and not one of them agrees with another. So, no, in the UK the Quakers do not act as an organizing core of anything of any significance.
    , @Skeptikal
    "Christian groups like Quakers . . . act as an organizing core for left of centre demonstrations"

    Documentation? What is meant by "like"? Do you mean actual Quakers or some groups "like" Quakers? If you mean some groups "like" Quakers, which groups? There are actually no other
    "groups" "like" Quakers.
    The Society of Friends is not a "group," any more than the Roman Catholic Church is a "group."
    The Society of Friends is nonviolent and nonpartisan and largely apolitical.
    So, again, please document your assertion.
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  63. Miro23 says:
    @Anonymous
    I can see a future America that is Balkanized. But I doubt there would be civil war or succession if Trump is martyred.

    You might see that in isolated areas like Montana or Iowa.

    But for the most part, Americans are apathetic and will not put forth the effort to change things if it requires sacrifice. Look at how America rolled over when JFK was assassinated.

    But for the most part, Americans are apathetic and will not put forth the effort to change things if it requires sacrifice. Look at how America rolled over when JFK was assassinated.

    They are apathetic , for example they know that 100.000′s of Iraqi civilians were killed “by mistake” (no WMD ) but they feel no remorse or desire to make amends.

    The evidence of the fraud of 9/11 is plain for any interested person to see with a minimum of research (starting with Building 7) but they’re not bothered.

    Conclusion that they’ve stopped being “citizens” in any real sense and have become that that Neoliberal creation, the “consumer” – just a working-consuming economic drone.

    So, in my opinion, nothing will happen until they lose their money which is the real wake up point. At least this is how it worked in Weimar Germany. When the middle class was wiped out in the 1923 hyperinflation, and also faced a Bolshevik insurgency, the whole country was radicalized, becoming self defined outlaw (it was still Germany after all) – See Von Salomon’s book “The Outlaws” https://www.amazon.com/Outlaws-Ernst-Von-Salomon/dp/1907166491/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485721345&sr=8-1&keywords=the+outlaws%2C+von+salomon

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    Spot on. We live in Weimerica.
    , @Anonymous

    "The word was weather-worn yet enticing, potent but unsubstantial, idealized in the subconsciousness but unspoken. The word was "Germany."

    Where was Germany? In Weimar, in Berlin? Once it had been at the front, but the front had crumbled. Then it was supposed to be at home, but home had failed them. Was it where the German people were? But they were screaming for food and thinking of their stomachs. Was it the State? But the State was fussing about its constitutional form. Germany survived in venturesome minds. Germany was there where swords were unsheathed for her; she was there where armed bands were threatening her existence; she shone resplendent where those who were informed by her spirit wagered all they possessed for her sake. Germany was at her frontiers." -The Outlaws by Ernst Von Salomon
     
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  64. Zoodles says:
    @Philip Owen
    In the UK, Christian groups like Quakers and some Methodists plus some public sector trade unions do act as an organizing core for left of centre demonstrations on social and some political issues. In most large towns, never mind cities, they can find a busfull for pretty much any demonstration. Christian groups in America are not socially radical but I assume there is some other movement to provide the structure. Feminists?

    They have a vast array of social advocacy groups financed by the large fake charity foundations. They can always rely on a corp of professional tax subsidised activists who can summon help from thier networks and tap into the students.

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  65. Hibernian says:
    @Philip Owen
    In the UK, Christian groups like Quakers and some Methodists plus some public sector trade unions do act as an organizing core for left of centre demonstrations on social and some political issues. In most large towns, never mind cities, they can find a busfull for pretty much any demonstration. Christian groups in America are not socially radical but I assume there is some other movement to provide the structure. Feminists?

    Churches are heavily involved in left wing activism in the US.

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  66. Harold100 says:
    @Cloak And Dagger
    The Saker makes an interesting proposition: use 9/11 as the lever to expose the deep state.
    That might just work if engaged expertly.

    The frustration I have had in observing the deep state's control of everything in our lives can be distilled into the fact that the neocons, Israelis, and the International bankers that comprise the deep state are so entrenched in the very fabric of this nation, with complete control of finance, media, and politics, that it seems that dislodging them would be an insurmountable task. Over the decades (centuries?) cancer has spread to the extent that there seems no way to excise it, and that has slowly turned this country into a collection of impotent cynics.

    I didn't vote for Trump. I voted against Hillary. I am not alone in this.

    But now that he is my president, a lot of my hopes for this country that I love are tied to his success in dislodging the deep state. 9/11 may well be the means of achieving that elusive goal.

    Despite all that has been written about 9/11, and the fact that the official story doesn't hold water, I can't pretend to know what actually happened on that fateful day or how it was accomplished, and beyond a deep conviction of who the perpetrators of that invasion were, I don't really know who committed this heinous crime. There is enough circumstantial evidence for me to believe that it wasn't committed by 19 cave-dwellers with box-cutters, 7 of whom turned out to be alive and well afterward.

    A crime of this magnitude and the sophistication of its execution could only have been realized by the forces of the deep state, and their hubris and impunity may well be their downfall. If Trump can expose just a handful of the executors of this attack, it could unravel everything, since the complicity of all the supporting entities, from the media, the think tanks, and the financial institutions, and their minions in Congress, would bring the entire enterprise crashing down into its own footprint at free fall speeds. He claims to know more about 9/11 than the rest of us do. If that is true, then there is cause for hope. He did just place a portrait of Jackson in the Oval Office, so perhaps he may be inspired as Jackson was to destroy the den of vipers.

    Can Trump do it without ending up pushing daisies like JFK/RFK/MLK? The odds are against it, but the possibility exists, however improbable. If he can marshall the support of the people, he may well achieve it.

    And that is why the deep state is fomenting a civil war in this country. Their survival depends on preventing the citizens of this great nation from uniting under one banner, so they fan the flames of dissension and discord because as long as we fight among ourselves, the puppet masters are safe and continue to grow.

    Deflect, distract, divide, and dominate: a tried and true strategy of our demonic overlords. Will they continue to win?

    Good points all. Two comments.
    Trump certainly knew the day of 911 that it was phony. Just listen to his radio interview on that day. He went on and on about touring the twin towers with his structural engineer and how strong those buildings were. The twin towers were fantastically over designed because finite element analysis by digital computer hadn’t been invented yet. Also, by the time you make a quarter mile high structure able to withstand 140 mph winds, it’s going to be impervious to anything else.
    Secondly, it’s easily demonstrated that part of the deep state backs Trump. Erik Prince, CEO of Blackwater, gave interviews to Infowars, a NYC local TV station and others on Nov 4 which essentially blackmailed FBI director Comey into reopening the Hillary investigation. He claimed NYPD would call a press conference exposing the sex crimes revealed in the Weiner laptop if the FBI didn’t investigate. Black water is by definition an important cog in the deep state. Of course, all those generals backing Trump show evidence of military backing also, and the military must be an important part of the deep state.
    So my operating hypothesis is there is a civil war among the deep state. Even better, perhaps the military has rebelled against the ongoing destruction of America by the moronic invade-the-world-invite-the-world policy.
    Trump represents so much lighter a parasitic load on the American people that we should all support him, if necessary in the streets with guns. Do you think Soros’ pussy-hatters can match that?
    But I wouldn’t look to Trump to investigate 911. That is the nuclear option. Even fat lazy Americans might find murder of 3000 innocent Americans by the deep state too much to put up with. That would ruin the party for The faction Trump fronts as well.

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    my operating hypothesis is there is a civil war among the deep state
     
    There is some evidence to support that hypothesis. The military seems to be outraged by the spooks, and some friction is evident at the top levels. A popular theory is that Trump won on the shoulders of the military and the payback is the prevalence of so many generals in his cabinet, with perhaps more to come.
    , @Madmen
    This schism within the deep state is detailed in another article here:

    http://www.unz.com/article/political-sciences-theory-of-everything-on-the-2016-us-election/

    The author calls it a fight between the deep state's military faction who support Trump against Hilary's political and corporate factions.
    , @Sam J.
    "...Erik Prince, CEO of Blackwater..."

    Erik Prince used to own Blackwater. He was forced out by the bankers.

    Your point is taken that he he's lots of deep State people and also knows lots of patriotic people in the military that are sick of the destruction of our country. Even if some of the deep State hates the citizens of the US the military is losing power as we don't have the technical capability to independently make many of the technologies needed to win wars. At some point we will be unable to get them back.
    , @SteveRogers42
    And you know who Erik Prince's sister is , right?

    General Mattis, more than any other post-Vietnam military figure, commands the loyalty of the junior officers and enlisted men if the USMC. If he said "it's go time", that is all that many combat-arms Marines would require.
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  67. HdC says:
    @Authenticjazzman
    Look you are not getting my point, which is: We can exchange the name Hitler with anyone from Stalin to Gacy to Bundy to the guy who crashed a plane with 150 passengers, to untold numbers of mass murderers and the question remains :

    If God knows the future and he then also knows that certain individuals which he creates are going to be mass murderers, then why does he not simply refrain from creating these specific individuals, or is then the "Free will of these murderous types more important than the survival of their victims.

    I myself am an atheist to the bone , however for this one question I have yet to receive a logical answer.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

    I believe there is a God, and yes, I have read the book entitled The Blind Watchmaker. I found it a truly fascinating read with details about biology I’d never heard about.

    And I am a licensed Professional Engineer running my very own practice until my retirement last year at the age of 70.

    I find it impossible to believe that by waiting -religiously- long enough one winds up with intelligent life. As an Engineer I KNOW that leaving things to their own devices will reduce organization: Machinery wears out and breaks down, simple observational fact. Civilizations succumb to new ones.

    Let’s make this mind experiment: I’ll give you a couple of billion years or so advantage in cell development and hand you a nice fresh steak. Can one honestly believe that by waiting another billion years or so that steak will develop -evolve- into a beautiful and intelligent young woman??? Me neither.

    Having said all that, I believe that God set a process in motion that gave us intelligent (mostly) human beings as an end result. Now then, there is a large group of people who believe that God takes an everyday interest in their daily lives guiding each step of the way; I certainly don’t subscribe to this.

    I believe that once the development process was set in motion this development was left to its own devices, ie. a more-or-less hands-off approach. There may have been godly intervention from time to time; Jesus’ birth attests to that as it changed the human development from an eye for an eye to a much more forgiving existence. Agreed that there were serious difficulties along the way.

    This left-to-its-own-devices development is consistent with what is called Free Will. People can choose to do what is called right or wrong, subject to law enforcement in organized society.

    Btw., you may sneer at your so-called German character faults all you like. I’d make the bet that there are very few, if any, that can compete with the ability to organize and get things done without having a rifle barrel stuck up their backside.

    Have you read a book entitled The Pity of War? It deals a little with the effectiveness of the various soldiers on the battle field. The main comparison was between the British and German personnel. Where the Tommy would sit on his duff awaiting orders, the German would go looking for trouble on his own initiative. Guess who was more effective during the chaos of battle? HdC

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    Maybe your god touched off the big bang 13 billions years ago...and then took no more interest in the endeavor and allowed nature to take its course? However, a noted religious scholar from the wilds of Arkansas, one Rev. Huckabee, has remained silent on the exact age of the universe but has ventured the opinion that the earth and its inhabitants were created fully formed by his omnipotent god 6000 years ago...and that his god takes an extreme interest in the doings of the hominids he created. Another religiously enlightened individual, Lady Palin, disagrees somewhat......having traced the year the earth was created to about 6000 BC. In their minds, carbon dating is just so much voodoo, and both hominids and dinosaurs coexisted on earth at the same time....hominids making a major effort not to get trod on or eaten.
    , @Clyde

    I believe there is a God, and yes, I have read the book entitled The Blind Watchmaker. I found it a truly fascinating read with details about biology I’d never heard about.
     
    I go along with much of what atheist Richard Dawkins has to say and also have good reasons to believe in God and strong cosmic forces, some of which are spiritual. Don't ask me to reconcile the the two. I also go along with what you said about God creating the universe and most of the creation of man. Then leaving it to its own devices, while functioning under certain "laws of the universe" that God created. That God is hands on and hands off. He is not a micro manager. We have free will.

    On a lower level There are various saints and forces that can intervene for you and help you. Matter of fact when you take all the people praying to Mother Mary (as an example) for x y and z they are actually giving more existence, reality and power to Mother Mary. You have many Christian Saints people are praying to and some of it works. I have a negative opinion of Islam, but the more people who pray to Allah and Muhammad, the stronger Muhammad becomes as a negative force in this world. I don't care if Muslims claim they do not pray to Muhammad. Their outward actions tell me they do.

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  68. Rurik says:

    Having said all that, I believe that God set a process in motion that gave us intelligent (mostly) human beings as an end result.

    well stated case HdC

    perhaps a bit OT..

    but may I ask you, out of curiosity vis-a-vis life on this planet…

    do you consider the difference between humans and animals one of degree, or one of kind?

    iow, are we humans removed from the animal kingdom, in much the same way humans are removed from God?

    Do we humans, in your considered opinion, possess the mark of divinity on our souls, and is it our ‘free will’, that makes us so?

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    Thanks for your reply.

    I am certainly not a deep religious thinker; I merely attempt to reconcile my observations with religious convictions.

    As to your question, I believe it is our soul, given to us by God, that makes it possible for us humans to tell the difference between right and wrong. The ability to do so requires a Free Will. HdC
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  69. tinman says:

    Libtardia, it’s like a darkness in the light.

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  70. @Authenticjazzman
    Look you are not getting my point, which is: We can exchange the name Hitler with anyone from Stalin to Gacy to Bundy to the guy who crashed a plane with 150 passengers, to untold numbers of mass murderers and the question remains :

    If God knows the future and he then also knows that certain individuals which he creates are going to be mass murderers, then why does he not simply refrain from creating these specific individuals, or is then the "Free will of these murderous types more important than the survival of their victims.

    I myself am an atheist to the bone , however for this one question I have yet to receive a logical answer.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

    If God knows the future and he then also knows that certain individuals which he creates are going to be mass murderers, then why does he not simply refrain from creating these specific individuals, or is then the “Free will of these murderous types more important than the survival of their victims.

    (I do not wish to make light of this question. There is an entire book in the Hebrew Bible (Job) dedicated to its subtleties.)

    Al-Ghazali addresses one aspect of this question in his discourse on the 99 Beautiful Names of Allah: http://www.ghazali.org/books/Ghazali-99-Name-of-God.pdf (see page 9 of the pdf).

    In the specific case of evil minded individuals, in the Qur’an it is explictly addressed: it is a trial for them and also for believers.

    As you are an authentic Jazz man, you may wish to consider that at one point the music will stop, and you will be faced with either the applause or dismissal from your “audiance”. Will you need to go back for further band practice or have you indeed arrived at the required level of mastery of making music.

    That this music making will in fact stop, or that there are punctuated harmonic resolution points, is a common theme no only in Abrahamic religions, but also the ealier Egyptian, Zoroastrian, and of course also Buddhism.

    Another aspect of God’s permissiveness regarding evil minded consciousness (within the predetermined limits, of course) is that God is the Lord of Generosity. As the Prophet (SAWS) has said: “this world is the heaven of the disbelievers”. And you know comes after that.

    A more intriguing uttering of God, and in my opinion direct vector to ‘enlightenment’, can be found in Sura 55 of the Qur’an. Pay attention to the chorous in that Sura Jazz Man and given your self attested intellect, see what you make of it!

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  71. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Boris N

    the same weapon Putin used against the Russian elites
     
    Putin has used nothing against the Russian elites. The Russian elites have been using Putin. Or rather, they used him as a frontman to get rid of half a dozen of oligarchs who did not fit in their oligarchic mob (literally "half a dozen" - out of hundreds and thousands of oligarchs only 6 or so perished - that's what Putin's "purge" really is). Under Putin the oligarchs and crooked state officials are thriving as never before, even more so than under Yeltsin, even if they formally do not rule on public. Why bother after all, if they have a perfect frontman, while they can do their dirty business in robbing Russia on the sly. It's not the "wild" 90s after all, business can be done quietly now.

    I'm not going to cite the whole Forbes 100 list, just one example. While Jewish-Uzbek (former?) criminal and mafiosi boss Alisher Burkhanovich Usmanov is building a new multi-million yacht every year, buying a new luxury villa in Nice or an estate in England, or amassing mines, factories, media outlets, social networks, English football clubs, and numerous other assets, you name it, at the same time at least 40 millions of elderly Russians live on $200 a month, many after the hard work for 40 or more years. After all that, tell us what is the difference between such "Burkhanovich", thousands of them, and Khodorkovsky. There is absolutely no difference. Only a genuine Kremlin stooge on payroll with no shame and conscience can say that Putin is a menace to oligarchs. When will Swiss expats living somewhere in a cozy place in the USA start to understand that? Even if one is not on the Kremlin payroll, have people got no conscience to lie so blatantly to the readers, year after year?

    The same opinion about the leadership of Russian Federation is expressed
    in numerous blog publications by Anatoliy Evgenievich Nesmyan,
    writing under the nick “El-murid”,
    http://el-murid.livejournal.com/ .

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    I'm not interested in hogwash by Ukrainian nationalists like him.
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  72. @Realist
    Trump will do nothing if the coup is successful.

    “Treason doth never prosper: what’s the reason? Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason.”

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  73. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Philip Owen
    In the UK, Christian groups like Quakers and some Methodists plus some public sector trade unions do act as an organizing core for left of centre demonstrations on social and some political issues. In most large towns, never mind cities, they can find a busfull for pretty much any demonstration. Christian groups in America are not socially radical but I assume there is some other movement to provide the structure. Feminists?

    In the UK, Christian groups like Quakers and some Methodists plus some public sector trade unions do act as an organizing core for left of centre demonstrations on social and some political issues.

    Quakers? Are you kidding? There aren’t any Quakers in Britain — well a few thousand at most, and not one of them agrees with another. So, no, in the UK the Quakers do not act as an organizing core of anything of any significance.

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    Yeah, the Quakers comment really is a lolla doodle! This guy doesn't know zilch about Quakers, and that sorta throws a wrench into the rest of it. Back to the drawing board, Mr. Owen!

    That said, I think there are more than a "few thousand" Quakers in Britain.
    See https://www.quaker.org.uk/about-quakers
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  74. nsa says:
    @HdC
    I believe there is a God, and yes, I have read the book entitled The Blind Watchmaker. I found it a truly fascinating read with details about biology I'd never heard about.

    And I am a licensed Professional Engineer running my very own practice until my retirement last year at the age of 70.

    I find it impossible to believe that by waiting -religiously- long enough one winds up with intelligent life. As an Engineer I KNOW that leaving things to their own devices will reduce organization: Machinery wears out and breaks down, simple observational fact. Civilizations succumb to new ones.

    Let's make this mind experiment: I'll give you a couple of billion years or so advantage in cell development and hand you a nice fresh steak. Can one honestly believe that by waiting another billion years or so that steak will develop -evolve- into a beautiful and intelligent young woman??? Me neither.

    Having said all that, I believe that God set a process in motion that gave us intelligent (mostly) human beings as an end result. Now then, there is a large group of people who believe that God takes an everyday interest in their daily lives guiding each step of the way; I certainly don't subscribe to this.

    I believe that once the development process was set in motion this development was left to its own devices, ie. a more-or-less hands-off approach. There may have been godly intervention from time to time; Jesus' birth attests to that as it changed the human development from an eye for an eye to a much more forgiving existence. Agreed that there were serious difficulties along the way.

    This left-to-its-own-devices development is consistent with what is called Free Will. People can choose to do what is called right or wrong, subject to law enforcement in organized society.

    Btw., you may sneer at your so-called German character faults all you like. I'd make the bet that there are very few, if any, that can compete with the ability to organize and get things done without having a rifle barrel stuck up their backside.

    Have you read a book entitled The Pity of War? It deals a little with the effectiveness of the various soldiers on the battle field. The main comparison was between the British and German personnel. Where the Tommy would sit on his duff awaiting orders, the German would go looking for trouble on his own initiative. Guess who was more effective during the chaos of battle? HdC

    Maybe your god touched off the big bang 13 billions years ago…and then took no more interest in the endeavor and allowed nature to take its course? However, a noted religious scholar from the wilds of Arkansas, one Rev. Huckabee, has remained silent on the exact age of the universe but has ventured the opinion that the earth and its inhabitants were created fully formed by his omnipotent god 6000 years ago…and that his god takes an extreme interest in the doings of the hominids he created. Another religiously enlightened individual, Lady Palin, disagrees somewhat……having traced the year the earth was created to about 6000 BC. In their minds, carbon dating is just so much voodoo, and both hominids and dinosaurs coexisted on earth at the same time….hominids making a major effort not to get trod on or eaten.

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  75. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Authenticjazman
    Okay as an atheist who pulled the lever for DT, I have a question for yourself as a believing Christian , a question which I have posed innumerable times to God-believers over the last fifty years and for which I have to this day not recieved a viable answer, okay here it is, and please read it very carefully :
    The Hitler puzzle :
    So if God, as according to you God-believing folks "knows" the future, and If God created everything and everybody including Hitler, this means then that God also "Knew" that Hitler , in the future, would be directly and indirectly responsible murders of ca sixty million humans.
    But according to you Christian God-believers God also allowed for the exercise of " free-will" meaning then that he "Allowed" Hitler to exercise his "Free-will" through the accomplishment of the murders of sixty million human beings.
    Now of course he, God, could have avoided this carnage by simply not creating Hitler in the first place and thusly nullifying his, Hitler's "Free-will", however God apparently considered Hitler's free-will to have priority over the survival of his, Hitler's" sixty million victims, and he , God, therefore went ahead and created him, Hitler, anyway, fully knowing, seeing as God "Knows" the future, fully knowing what was going to occur, which could have been avoided, had God chosen to not create Hitler.
    So the situation is/was : If God would have not created Hitler, his victims, of which God had, knowing the future according to your teachings, full knowledge, these people would have not become the ultimate victims of AH.
    Or to put it in simple terms : God, knowing the future, knew that Hitler was going to murder sixty million people, and he went ahead and created him anyway, so as not violate Hitler's exercise of free-will.
    So just what is your own take on this issue?

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

    God, knowing the future, knew that Hitler was going to murder sixty million people, and he went ahead and created him anyway, so as not violate Hitler’s exercise of free-will.

    1. The argument has a minor flaw because it presumes that we can understand the motivations of an infinite being. However, many Christians would tolerate this flaw because they believe their favorite theologies can do exactly that.

    2. The argument implicitly assumes that human understanding of physical suffering and death are more important than God’s understanding. Anyone who argues from the Old Testament can cite the Book of Job against this, but I do not argue from the Old Testament. I argue thus: a higher mind should not and must not get sentimental about the suffering of a lower mind when the higher mind must inflict pain for the good of that lower mind.

    Analogy: A child gets a thorn stuck in its hand. The child’s mother uses a sterile needle to gouge the thorn out. This is necessary and painful, and the child feels all the anguish of Job or Christ crucified. But in fact, the child is stupid and ignorant. The pain is necessary in the greater scheme of things. When the child grows up, the child realizes that the thorn would have led to gangrene if it had not been gouged out promptly.

    Thus God can know the future and God can create any number of things that cause pain in the human sense. Only if humans can elevate their minds can humans hope to understand why human pain is an infinitesimal fraction of the grand scheme of things.

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  76. joe webb says:

    The photo at the top is from Politico and the articles was written by a Shapiro…maybe jewish, a known satirist.

    “US intelligence agencies are now investigating their own boss! Yes, according to recent reports, the FBI, CIA, National Security Agency and Treasury Department are now investigating the telephone conversations between General Flynn and the Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyk. According to Wikipedia, General Flynn is the former…..”

    “And yet, these very same intelligence services are investigating him for his contacts with the Russian Ambassador.”

    Flynn was exonerated the other day by the FBI. Also, the FBI, etc. I would guess was wishing its right to follow up on the wikileaks about Hillary’s emails, and DNC emails.

    Then 9-11-01 is brought forward and ‘deep state’ language deployed. I have never believed that 9-11 was an inside job. The Arabs did it, and maybe with Israeli help. Certainly the Arabs had
    sufficient motive given everything we all know.

    Then there is Nayirah, and the Iraq incubator babies, this was a lie that originated not deep in the State , etc. depts, but in the offices of the Jewish congressman from my congressional district, Tom Lantos….Not Deep State, but Jew zio nut job, ( the guy who got a gun permit probably because of me badgering him over the Iraq Sanctions, etc.)
    ———–
    The Saker is a Russian I think. A friend who is very much into genetics told me that the Hajnal Line which corresponds to the Urals, separates the ‘low viscous’ gene flow area from the ‘high viscous’ gene flow area. This , the argument goes, means that east of the Urals, because of the very long distances between Europe, etc, and the Slavs, that the Slavs were much more inbred, and that the Europeans got around in their quarter, thus making for a difference, among other things, in ethno exclusionism, or tribalism in plain language. The Slavs therefore are more tribal than Western Europeans, and also more suspicious of Strangers….thus also making them a hard sell to embrace the Migrants, like our more Occidental brothers and sisters in the West. Interesting. argument.

    The Saker however makes a show of MLK Luv Everybody, with the Liar of the Century, or at least one of them, MLK…featured on his home page…at least last time I looked. He is also a Christian, not that there is anything wrong with that, but his love for Humanity knows no bounds . But his Russianness may trump his Christian charity…something the brains researchers are discovering…our value determine our words, and those values are genetically determined
    —–
    “My purpose in listing all the examples above is to suggest the following: far from having accepted defeat, the Neocons and the US deep state have decided, as they always do, to double-down and they are now embarking on a full-scale “color revolution” which will only end with the impeachment, overthrowal or death of Donald Trump.”

    “…the very same people which have demonized Putin for years are now demonizing Trump using exactly the same methods. And if their own country has to go down in their struggle against the common people – so be it! These self-declared elites will have no compunction whatsoever to destroy the nation their have been parasitizing and exploiting for their own class interest. They did just that to Russia exactly 100 years ago, in 1917. I sure hope that they will not get away with that again in 2017.”

    Sounds like he is talking about the Jews, and while jews helped destroy Russia in 1917, and perhaps were the catalyst for same…Solzhenitzyn…200 Years Together, the Neocons are apparently finished in the US, Soros, etc, notwithstanding. I say apparently since I do not claim to be a pundit or a prophet.

    Joe Webb

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    Hey Joe, I'm meaning to get back to you on another thread, but in the meantime I have to caution you on your careless use of Slav. "The 13 countries considered to be official Slavic states include the Czech Republic, Bosnia, Serbia, Poland, Slovakia, Belarus, Russia, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Croatia, Slovenia and Montenegro."

    The Ural Mountains are far east of Moscow, with their southern end in Kazakhstan and at the Aral Sea, and their northern end even farther east. Unless you think Saker is some kind of Siberian, I don't know what you're driving at.

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  77. @Kyle a
    Why would the Asians flee? They've taken over much of the politics in the cities with pull. Someone's got to run the joint.

    Because a California that is sixty percent Mexican, which is where we are heading, will eventually be physically unsafe for Asians in most places as well.

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  78. better question (and article)…Why? Why is this happening?

    Answer. China and russia are both outside western deep state control. Can’t afford to lose the US as well, even for one presidential term.

    Result:Political theater that is as nonsensical as it is well planned, organized, and funded.

    Solution; Trump should focus on domestic policy, where he can rally base on “everyday” and personal issues. He seems to be doing this with nsc appointments, listening to bannon, etc

    Danger: everyone needs friends. republican congress abandons him, thats it. even if reelected, lame duck for 7 years.

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    better question (and article)…Why? Why is this happening?

    Answer. China and russia are both outside western deep state control. Can’t afford to lose the US as well, even for one presidential term.

     

    Sorry, but what nonsense.

    China has spent 40 years now getting firmly integrated into the globalist order.

    Russia continues to be a two faced geopolitical actor.

    Better answer:

    The Hegemon stands in the way of agreed upon globalist order and was slated to be taken off the pedastal since at least 1999. But how do you take down the sole superpower?

    Step 1: Coup in superpower - 911.
    Step 2: Bleed superpower - wars to date.
    Step 3: Tarnish reputation of superpower - see step 2.
    Step 4: Demoralize & destabilize superpower - today.
    Step 5: US (self) isolated, banksters call in the Trillion dollar debt. Bye bye sole superpower.
    Step 6: Globalists stop creating murder and mayham and usher in the Peace of the New Order. -- projected tomorrow.

    Trump.

    possibility 1: Front man for genuine revolt of US military (911 counter-coup) as last ditch effort to save what can be saved.

    possibility 2: Distraction man for hard ball bargaining of US establishment & families left out while keeping the deplorables happy for now. Note presence of family member Ivanka in meetings with Japanese delegates (with pictures kindly provided by the Japanese).

    possibility 3: Distraction man for Zionists not happy with agreed upon gloabalist order requiring a muzzled zionist entity, thus over turning the chess board and saying: let's start over.

    possibility 4: Designated patsy for pre-planned melt-down of US of A.

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  79. Skeptikal says:
    @Philip Owen
    In the UK, Christian groups like Quakers and some Methodists plus some public sector trade unions do act as an organizing core for left of centre demonstrations on social and some political issues. In most large towns, never mind cities, they can find a busfull for pretty much any demonstration. Christian groups in America are not socially radical but I assume there is some other movement to provide the structure. Feminists?

    “Christian groups like Quakers . . . act as an organizing core for left of centre demonstrations”

    Documentation? What is meant by “like”? Do you mean actual Quakers or some groups “like” Quakers? If you mean some groups “like” Quakers, which groups? There are actually no other
    “groups” “like” Quakers.
    The Society of Friends is not a “group,” any more than the Roman Catholic Church is a “group.”
    The Society of Friends is nonviolent and nonpartisan and largely apolitical.
    So, again, please document your assertion.

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  80. Skeptikal says:
    @CanSpeccy

    In the UK, Christian groups like Quakers and some Methodists plus some public sector trade unions do act as an organizing core for left of centre demonstrations on social and some political issues.
     
    Quakers? Are you kidding? There aren't any Quakers in Britain — well a few thousand at most, and not one of them agrees with another. So, no, in the UK the Quakers do not act as an organizing core of anything of any significance.

    Yeah, the Quakers comment really is a lolla doodle! This guy doesn’t know zilch about Quakers, and that sorta throws a wrench into the rest of it. Back to the drawing board, Mr. Owen!

    That said, I think there are more than a “few thousand” Quakers in Britain.
    See https://www.quaker.org.uk/about-quakers

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    According to the BBC, there are 17,000 Quakers in Britain. Maybe a few more than "a few thousand", but not a lot more!
    , @Philip Owen
    I am not a Quaker. My wife is. My daughter is. In earlier times for whatever reason almost every woman I dated was a Quaker, twice with nationally famous surnames but their families lived modestly. My business partner a few years back was a Quaker. When I was one of the co-founders of Friends of the Earth in the UK in 1971, the office space and start up funding for a national office in London was provided by The Rowntree Trust, a Quaker charity or shall we say, a charity dominated by Quakers. The Rowntree Trust sponsors many "liberal" causes. Soros before Soros. My wife runs a charity to build schools in Zambia, when she needs top up assistance the local meeting chips in. She and all the other women from the meeting leafleted shoppers in our local town on the day of the US Women's march against Trump. Not that they did it in the name of the Society of Friends. They called themselves something else. My daughter's husband, an Anglican like me it has to be said, did a degree in "Peace Studies". Now, every time there is a vaguely leftist demonstration in London they organize buses to it. The financial underwriting comes from the Friends Meeting although not in the name of the Friends. My niece and her husband live in a house once owned by the Penn family. They are atheists but it has triggered an interest by me in the history of the Society of Friends. I come from mid Wales and some of my collateral relatives went to Radnor Pennsylvania with Penn. (Jayman's map on American nations overlooks the Welsh Quakers although there are some very dark dots on it in Wales).

    I am aware that US Quakers are considerably more conformist than British ones. Perhaps you are from the US? Perhaps you know zilch about British Quakers? The Quaker meetings I know in the UK are all very active on social issues. Only 20% of the membership were born into the Society of Friends. Which may be the few thousand figure. But they are certainly not a major denominaton. The others are converts and so zealous fundamentalists (insofaras it is possible for Quakers) with it. There is little disagreement. So Quakers are politically influential far beyond their rather small membership. (There is a lot of money about - those born Friends still do exceptionally well in business and the professions, like my business partner - an ex RAF fighter pilot, so much for pacifism). I have not become a Quaker because I am rather more conservative in my views.

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  81. @allahu akbar
    better question (and article)...Why? Why is this happening?

    Answer. China and russia are both outside western deep state control. Can't afford to lose the US as well, even for one presidential term.

    Result:Political theater that is as nonsensical as it is well planned, organized, and funded.

    Solution; Trump should focus on domestic policy, where he can rally base on "everyday" and personal issues. He seems to be doing this with nsc appointments, listening to bannon, etc

    Danger: everyone needs friends. republican congress abandons him, thats it. even if reelected, lame duck for 7 years.

    better question (and article)…Why? Why is this happening?

    Answer. China and russia are both outside western deep state control. Can’t afford to lose the US as well, even for one presidential term.

    Sorry, but what nonsense.

    China has spent 40 years now getting firmly integrated into the globalist order.

    Russia continues to be a two faced geopolitical actor.

    Better answer:

    The Hegemon stands in the way of agreed upon globalist order and was slated to be taken off the pedastal since at least 1999. But how do you take down the sole superpower?

    Step 1: Coup in superpower – 911.
    Step 2: Bleed superpower – wars to date.
    Step 3: Tarnish reputation of superpower – see step 2.
    Step 4: Demoralize & destabilize superpower – today.
    Step 5: US (self) isolated, banksters call in the Trillion dollar debt. Bye bye sole superpower.
    Step 6: Globalists stop creating murder and mayham and usher in the Peace of the New Order. — projected tomorrow.

    Trump.

    possibility 1: Front man for genuine revolt of US military (911 counter-coup) as last ditch effort to save what can be saved.

    possibility 2: Distraction man for hard ball bargaining of US establishment & families left out while keeping the deplorables happy for now. Note presence of family member Ivanka in meetings with Japanese delegates (with pictures kindly provided by the Japanese).

    possibility 3: Distraction man for Zionists not happy with agreed upon gloabalist order requiring a muzzled zionist entity, thus over turning the chess board and saying: let’s start over.

    possibility 4: Designated patsy for pre-planned melt-down of US of A.

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    p.s.

    You will note that the plan outlined also gave cover for every country to roll in surveillance state laws, mechanisms, and militarized police. Main obstacle for globalists here were nations, mainly Western, that had certain level of civil liberties or at least claimed the ideal; and, non-Western nations that previously were subjected to "human rights" harrassment from the West prior to their establishment throwing in the towel and signing on the dotted line and joining the globalist agenda.

    These means and ways will NOT be rolled back once step 6 goals are realized.

    It is the New Reality, along with cash less society & 99% on the dole (thus fully dependent on the global state).

    What remains to be seen is if there will be another good old "World War" thrown in to cull the head count of the cattle, given advances in robotics and machine intelligence.
    , @Sam J.
    survey-of-disinfo has the options nailed except I don't agree that it's 100% that Russia and China are under deep State control. Maybe the ones running things think they are but both of these countries may have other ideas.

    If Trump wants he has the deep State by the balls. If he wants they're fucked. We will see if Trump is a deep State actor or not at the max within one years time. The reason is building #7. If Trump does nothing within a year then he's a criminal and you should expect bad things to happen.

    You don't need to be an Architect or Engineer to determine with 100% reliability that on 9-11 the buildings were demoed.

    I'm going to strip out all the bullshit and prove that building #7 was demoed in some manner. All the 9-11 talk by the lying "Spoofers" is just a distraction. It's 100% that building #7 was demoed and could not have been brought down by fire because of the basic physics of the fall. You don't need to rely on anyone to know the truth. Look with your own eyes. Basic high school physics. Undisputable. Building #7 fell the same speed as a rock dropped beside it in free air for roughly 108 feet. This means the building had no resistance to falling except air. Impossible without explosives.

    All materials fall the same speed in a gravity field disregarding air friction which I don't thing we need to worry about for a building falling. So the speed of our imaginary rock falling next to the building is just gravity related. The speed of the buildings falling, the exact same as the rock, is just gravity also. This means that there was NOTHING to slow the fall of the building. The density of the material under the imaginary rock falling was air. The building fell the same therefore the density of the material under the building was also air. We know this is not true. Building #7 was not hovering in the air. The lower portions of the building were demoed out from under it.

    It's makes NO difference how big the fires were. The buildings density never reached the same value as air! The fires did not boil away the building structure where it was light as air! All the talk about damage, fires, this, that, all bullshit because the building fell with all four corners almost level the same speed as a rock in AIR. If a building falls as fast as a rock and the rock is falling through JUST AIR then the building is falling through JUST AIR also. Simple equivalence. 1=1, 2=2, big rock falling in air=small rock falling in air=building falling in air. One problem is people sometimes believe that a really heavy thing will fall faster than a lighter thing. Not true. Look at this video of the Apollo astronaut dropping a feather and a hammer on the Moon. They land at the same time.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C5_dOEyAfk

    This is one of the best videos I've seen on the building #1 and #2. It's by a Mechanical Engineer. It's very interesting by itself even if you don't believe in any conspiracy, it's shows the towers, how they're designed and there's no hold your breath type speculation stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABuCO5ifeIE

    We know the Jews are responsible because they own all the media and they can see that it was a false flag just as easily as I can and take every opportunity to deny it.

    There's a large possibility that Trump is working for the Jews. He will blame 9-11 solely on Bush and the Saudis and leave the Jews out of it. He will also attack the Clintons and put them in jail. Notice this clears up all the 9-11 problems and destroys any and all power centers not based on them at one fell swoop.

    One last thing. The buildings 1 and 2 were designed for much higher loads. Even if the section that was hit by the plane was melted completely away the bottom of the building was designed to hold up the weight of the top. So all this talk about the high weight of the top means nothing as they were designed to take a much higher weight. The outside columns were designed to carry 2000% of the load due to wind forces which were higher than just holding up the building.

    If Trump is a real patriot and not some actor then all he has to do is round up lots of special forces to protect him. Go on the TV live and tell everyone in the US the exact same thing I just did and fire all the top 10% of every security, law enforcement and military personal. Not that there's no corruption on the bottom but it's the top that is most rotten. This would vastly reign in their power and give him room to maneuver. Many of the 10% could rightly complain they had nothing to do with 9-11 but you can easily make the case that they didn't do anything to help after it happened and it's obvious to many that the whole thing is a setup and the buildings were demoed. The needs of the US outweigh the needs of the top 10% of people laid off. It's not like they would starve. Pensions would be honored. After that a long detailed old fashioned investigation would catch a large part of the perpetrators.
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  82. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Skeptikal
    "In 1932 many many German Jews voluntarily walked away from their properties in Germany — they were not forced to,"

    This remark betrays quite a lot of ignorance.
    Wealthy assimilated German Jews were not Zionists.
    Some family members did like the idea of moving to Palestine, but this was anomalous.
    Who would want to go to Palestine when life was good in Germany?
    Even after the Machtergreifung of 1933, for a long time the Nazi state was focused on prying away the wealth of the Jewish community.
    Please learn a little history before making silly allegations about German Jews volunteering to abandon their property in Germany in order to populate Palestine.

    two examples of German Jews who voluntarily walked away, in 1932:

    Erich Mendelsohn, “the Jewish architect,” left in 1932. Mendelsohn never tired of repeating the story of walking out of the house he built “with only a pencil in his pocket,” — that and plans to transform Palestine to a Mendelsohnian dream of the “international style” that he deemed was the only appropriate design for “modern” architecture.

    Leo Strauss, godfather of neoconservatism shed his admiration for the analysis of Carl Schmitt like a snake crawls out of his skin, when, in 1932, the opportunity to hie off to New York on the Rockefeller dime, presented itself.

    got anything else to throw at the wall?

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    The original quote:
    "In 1932 many many German Jews voluntarily walked away from their properties in Germany — they were not forced to, they chose to because they knew something others did not: that zionists Jews planned to “Exodus”

    Some Jews left Germany for Palestine and other destinations such as England the USA all along the line. This is a phenomenon that is occurring all the time. Some people emigrate to other countries for any number of reasons, especially when they receive good offers of professional advancement.

    To assert that these two individuals' decisions in 1932 arose from the "Exodus" planned by Zionist Jews is absurd (and how does Strauss work into this narrative?). Very few German Jews were advocates of the Zionist cause. Especially in Berlin, most were highly secularized and wanted nothing more than to assimilate more than they were already. They knew they had it better in Berlin than just about anyplace else, and *they were Germans.* Remember? Citizens of the republic. Many had fought in the World War, etc. AFTER 1933, when they started to grasp what was coming, those who tried to leave for the most part were allowed to do so only after turning over all of their assets to the Reich and cooperating in the Aryanization of their businesses---or being sent to Dachau or Sachsen-Hausen for six months, until they were ready to see the light and to turn over their assets and leave. The Reich needed money. The Reich was also paranoid and people came under suspicion for all kinds of reasons, such as being suspected of currency offenses (e.g., those who traveled back and forth between Germany and other countries). The idea that in 1932 Jews walked away and voluntarily abandoned their assets in order to get the Zionist program in Palestine going is not supported by evidence, despite the cases of a few highly educated individuals, one of whom chose to go to Palestine. On April 26, 1938, the Decree for Reporting of Jewish Property meant that all Jews with more than RM 5,000 worth of assets had to declare this to the state. Jews could leave if they turned over all their assets to the Reich. Conditions for Jews in Germany were transforming fast in the decade of the thirties. It is a mistake to assume that conditions were the same throughout the thirties. They were not.

    Actually, your Mendelssohn example doesn't seem to wash.
    http://www.berlin.de/2013/en/portraits/selected-portraits/mendelsohn-erich/:
    Erich Mendelsohn (1887–1953)

    Erich Mendelsohn was one of the most important German architects of the twentieth century. Columbus House on Potsdamer Platz (1930/32), the Schaubühne on Lehniner Platz (1928) and the Einstein Tower in Potsdam (1919/22) are among his famous designs. The Jewish architect fled Germany in 1933 and emigrated first to England, then to Palestine and eventually to the USA in 1941. After the war, Mendelsohn designed a memorial to the Jewish victims of the Nazi regime for New York; however the memorial was never realized.
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  83. Alexander Solzhenitsyn wrote that the “same people who tortured, mutilated and killed 70 million Christian Russians are still in control of the West (America ,etc).”

    After their planned riots and uprisings, they will seize power and then as in Russia will proceed to the genocide of whites, especially the Christians.

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  84. @survey-of-disinfo

    better question (and article)…Why? Why is this happening?

    Answer. China and russia are both outside western deep state control. Can’t afford to lose the US as well, even for one presidential term.

     

    Sorry, but what nonsense.

    China has spent 40 years now getting firmly integrated into the globalist order.

    Russia continues to be a two faced geopolitical actor.

    Better answer:

    The Hegemon stands in the way of agreed upon globalist order and was slated to be taken off the pedastal since at least 1999. But how do you take down the sole superpower?

    Step 1: Coup in superpower - 911.
    Step 2: Bleed superpower - wars to date.
    Step 3: Tarnish reputation of superpower - see step 2.
    Step 4: Demoralize & destabilize superpower - today.
    Step 5: US (self) isolated, banksters call in the Trillion dollar debt. Bye bye sole superpower.
    Step 6: Globalists stop creating murder and mayham and usher in the Peace of the New Order. -- projected tomorrow.

    Trump.

    possibility 1: Front man for genuine revolt of US military (911 counter-coup) as last ditch effort to save what can be saved.

    possibility 2: Distraction man for hard ball bargaining of US establishment & families left out while keeping the deplorables happy for now. Note presence of family member Ivanka in meetings with Japanese delegates (with pictures kindly provided by the Japanese).

    possibility 3: Distraction man for Zionists not happy with agreed upon gloabalist order requiring a muzzled zionist entity, thus over turning the chess board and saying: let's start over.

    possibility 4: Designated patsy for pre-planned melt-down of US of A.

    p.s.

    You will note that the plan outlined also gave cover for every country to roll in surveillance state laws, mechanisms, and militarized police. Main obstacle for globalists here were nations, mainly Western, that had certain level of civil liberties or at least claimed the ideal; and, non-Western nations that previously were subjected to “human rights” harrassment from the West prior to their establishment throwing in the towel and signing on the dotted line and joining the globalist agenda.

    These means and ways will NOT be rolled back once step 6 goals are realized.

    It is the New Reality, along with cash less society & 99% on the dole (thus fully dependent on the global state).

    What remains to be seen is if there will be another good old “World War” thrown in to cull the head count of the cattle, given advances in robotics and machine intelligence.

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    you ignore last 80 years of history.

    United states invented and founded globalism after ww2. UN, World Bank (owned/run by US), IMF, Nato, bretton woods, all designed to spread "american way" around world. ALL made up of nations dependent on US, with us at center of each one. NOt accident, not coincidence. Not done out of goodness. Done out of desire for control. Control nations for US purposes.

    Question? What purpose do these organizations serve? Who benefits? who determines "american way?" You? You ever talk to congressman in office? Congrressman ever ask YOU what he can do for YOU?

    Fact: political orgs run things, in same way clerk at store register "runs" store, but, whose benefit is store run for? OWNERS. SO, question? if president "run store" who own US store? Who hire GOVT "clerks" to run it?

    Answer; people who put up money. US nation built on money, capitalism. Not military success, not ideas, not rights, etc but earning money. Earning money is "american way." US exists to help big people earn money. UN, world bank, exists for money and to grow us economic interests. Nato/ big army exists to protect market to sell/buy from. Bretton woods, dollar standard trade advantage, etc. FOr big companies, industries. Not for you, not for "freedom", etc.

    Past problem with russi/soviet and china? not that they are dictatorships-US work with many dictatorships, murdurers, criminals, etc. Problem is, outside us system...outside money system, no dolllar dependendence, not requirement for military aid, technology, not need huge trade, etc...no leverage, except against each other. Not controled by america at all. alternate global system. Only good thing; economic backwaters at time. Not good wealth

    Today, russia.china problem different. today russia and china on same side. Today, several global systems other than US. silk road, AIIB, yuan, etc. all out of US control. All out of control of people who control US and its systems.Rich countries, combined bigger than US itself, still independent. Now, they can draw in there own "clients", set up there own systems. Take US place in world. shove us out of way

    This makes US "deep State" angry and scared. US deep state being shoved to back of line. This because china, russia dont need or care about us money and money people or money organizations, the have there own. This is why US so aggressive with china (islands) and russian(ukraine, etc). No other method of influence. US deep state losing control of globe and flailing, being replaced by chinese/russian deep state.

    US and europe are last territores us deep state will ever control, now they run risk of losing them too, losing europe to russia, and losing US to populism, racial identities, trump like people, etc. All us deep state systems set up over 80 years being threated with destruction. This explains actions of congress; much heat being put on them by Soros, Steyer, koch, slim. Some of them taking direct action (stuff at airports today).

    Fate of their world riding on next 4 years. They will do annything to stop systems from failing, and system itself (fbi, cia, nsa, media, etc) will defend itself. Trumps only ally? those outside us deep state system, common people who have no stake in it, and there support. if trump and common people can spark nationalism in us, reduce deep state created foreign focus, US deep state will lose, US common people might win, forstall war, ruinous economic conflict, etc. if trump cant, big war(economic and military), US common people will lose huge, deep state will lose but lose less, chaos.
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  85. @Skeptikal
    "In 1932 many many German Jews voluntarily walked away from their properties in Germany — they were not forced to,"

    This remark betrays quite a lot of ignorance.
    Wealthy assimilated German Jews were not Zionists.
    Some family members did like the idea of moving to Palestine, but this was anomalous.
    Who would want to go to Palestine when life was good in Germany?
    Even after the Machtergreifung of 1933, for a long time the Nazi state was focused on prying away the wealth of the Jewish community.
    Please learn a little history before making silly allegations about German Jews volunteering to abandon their property in Germany in order to populate Palestine.

    Who would want to go to Palestine when life was good in Germany?

    But, as has been stated before, in ~Feb. 1933 Louis Brandeis, Jewish hofjuden, directed that “all Jews must leave Germany.”

    In 1935, Vladimir Jabotinsky, who had effectively taken control of the zionist movement with Revisionist zionism, decreed that all diaspora Jews must migrate to Palestine.

    Revisionist zionists created Mossad-el aliyeh bet, that worked in coordination with, and in the known presence of, German authorities, to persuade German Jews to leave Germany for Palestine.

    As you say, “Who would want to go to Palestine when life was good in Germany?”, and voila, Kristallnacht.

    Who would have thought that by merely killing a second-tier German diplomat all hell could be made to break lose, and the synagogues and businesses that German Jews valued would be smashed and German Jews made to fear for their futures in Germany.
    Such a tragic coincidence.

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    "But, as has been stated before, in ~Feb. 1933 Louis Brandeis, Jewish hofjuden, directed that “all Jews must leave Germany.”

    In 1935, Vladimir Jabotinsky, who had effectively taken control of the zionist movement with Revisionist zionism, decreed that all diaspora Jews must migrate to Palestine."
    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    So what? Words are cheap. Louis Brandeis was an American, not a Hofjude (note sp.).
    Pre-1933, established communities of German Jews were not enthusiastic about leaving Germany for Palestine, nor about the Zionist project in general.
    And they were not taking orders from Brandeis or Jabotinsky.
    They saw that the Zionist project undermined their own position as Germans who happened to be Jews. Even post-1933 many chose to hope that there was a way for them to stay put in Germany (or Austria) rather than leave their home country.

    See https://www.jstor.org/stable/261239?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents:

    "Of the approximately 600,000 Jews in Germany [before 1933], never more than 20,000 were members in the Zionistische Vereinigung fuer Deutschland." Etc. Read the abstract.

    Further to Mendelssohn:
    "In the spring of 1933, in the wake of growing antisemitism and the rise of the Nazis in Germany, he fled to England. His fortune was seized by the Nazis, his name struck from the list of the German Architects' Union, and he was excluded from the Prussian Academy of Arts."

    It never ceases to amaze me what nonsense people confidently put forward about the Jews in Germany. There is a lot of information online, even for those who do not speak or read German.

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  86. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Sean

    Let me put it this way: while 9/11 was a US “deep state” operation (probably subcontracted for execution to the Israelis), the entire Washington “swamp” has been since “9/11 accomplice after the fact” by helping to maintain the cover-up. If this is brought into light, then thousands of political careers are going to crash and burn into the scandal.
     
    Quite, and from that apodictic fact we can deduce that any kind of deep state cabal with responsibility for carrying out or commissioning 9/11 would have had to have stopped, at whatever cost, Donald Trump from getting in the White House.

    So either Trump (with his NY and Israel connections) was the US mastermind behind the False Flag 9/11, or there wasn't one.

    Trump wasn’t the “mastermind”. It’s that his NY and Israel connections mean that he’s “fixed” and thus can’t and won’t bring anything to light if he were in a position to do so.

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  87. RobinG says:
    @joe webb
    The photo at the top is from Politico and the articles was written by a Shapiro...maybe jewish, a known satirist.

    "US intelligence agencies are now investigating their own boss! Yes, according to recent reports, the FBI, CIA, National Security Agency and Treasury Department are now investigating the telephone conversations between General Flynn and the Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyk. According to Wikipedia, General Flynn is the former....."

    "And yet, these very same intelligence services are investigating him for his contacts with the Russian Ambassador."

    Flynn was exonerated the other day by the FBI. Also, the FBI, etc. I would guess was wishing its right to follow up on the wikileaks about Hillary's emails, and DNC emails.

    Then 9-11-01 is brought forward and 'deep state' language deployed. I have never believed that 9-11 was an inside job. The Arabs did it, and maybe with Israeli help. Certainly the Arabs had
    sufficient motive given everything we all know.

    Then there is Nayirah, and the Iraq incubator babies, this was a lie that originated not deep in the State , etc. depts, but in the offices of the Jewish congressman from my congressional district, Tom Lantos....Not Deep State, but Jew zio nut job, ( the guy who got a gun permit probably because of me badgering him over the Iraq Sanctions, etc.)
    -----------
    The Saker is a Russian I think. A friend who is very much into genetics told me that the Hajnal Line which corresponds to the Urals, separates the 'low viscous' gene flow area from the 'high viscous' gene flow area. This , the argument goes, means that east of the Urals, because of the very long distances between Europe, etc, and the Slavs, that the Slavs were much more inbred, and that the Europeans got around in their quarter, thus making for a difference, among other things, in ethno exclusionism, or tribalism in plain language. The Slavs therefore are more tribal than Western Europeans, and also more suspicious of Strangers....thus also making them a hard sell to embrace the Migrants, like our more Occidental brothers and sisters in the West. Interesting. argument.

    The Saker however makes a show of MLK Luv Everybody, with the Liar of the Century, or at least one of them, MLK...featured on his home page...at least last time I looked. He is also a Christian, not that there is anything wrong with that, but his love for Humanity knows no bounds . But his Russianness may trump his Christian charity...something the brains researchers are discovering...our value determine our words, and those values are genetically determined
    -----
    "My purpose in listing all the examples above is to suggest the following: far from having accepted defeat, the Neocons and the US deep state have decided, as they always do, to double-down and they are now embarking on a full-scale “color revolution” which will only end with the impeachment, overthrowal or death of Donald Trump."


    "...the very same people which have demonized Putin for years are now demonizing Trump using exactly the same methods. And if their own country has to go down in their struggle against the common people – so be it! These self-declared elites will have no compunction whatsoever to destroy the nation their have been parasitizing and exploiting for their own class interest. They did just that to Russia exactly 100 years ago, in 1917. I sure hope that they will not get away with that again in 2017."

    Sounds like he is talking about the Jews, and while jews helped destroy Russia in 1917, and perhaps were the catalyst for same...Solzhenitzyn...200 Years Together, the Neocons are apparently finished in the US, Soros, etc, notwithstanding. I say apparently since I do not claim to be a pundit or a prophet.

    Joe Webb

    Hey Joe, I’m meaning to get back to you on another thread, but in the meantime I have to caution you on your careless use of Slav. “The 13 countries considered to be official Slavic states include the Czech Republic, Bosnia, Serbia, Poland, Slovakia, Belarus, Russia, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Croatia, Slovenia and Montenegro.”

    The Ural Mountains are far east of Moscow, with their southern end in Kazakhstan and at the Aral Sea, and their northern end even farther east. Unless you think Saker is some kind of Siberian, I don’t know what you’re driving at.

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    fair remark. The geography is more or less correct and the argument is from a friend who gets into the micro-genetics quite a lot. He reads the books, and I do not. He mentioned what I think I made clear...it is his contribution, not mine.

    What I am driving at is: the Saker is suspicious like most Slavs, etc. They over-do it says my friend. I dunno. But the Russians here are known to be not like us in many respects. A Russian friend of mine who I had subjected to the often heard, not mine, charge that Russians are crooks, said, "yes, we are pirates." For what it is worth.

    75 years of communism I guess either aggravated the above genetic claim, or expressed it or both.

    The notion that western Europeans moved around a lot...high viscous gene traveling over the centuries while the Slavs were low viscous...slow in moving around and gene exchanges. This somehow led to more ethnic chauvinism or suspicion of strangers, etc.

    The Saker is, to use popular lingo, pretty paranoid. The Anglo-Zionist Conspiracy is gonna getcha. However, as I perhaps cryptically remarked, the Saker compensates by lovin' All God's Chillun, especially Darkies. He regards White Nationalists as racist scum, never mind nazis.

    While I seem to Think that the general level of hysteria now is pretty high, higher than I can recall at any time ... after coming of age around 1960, ...well... the Internet is a factor, as well as the economic malaise that so many folks experience. And...

    The Societal Refusal to deal with Race as the living room elephant is getting to be a very tender nerve. Most folks who got any brains have so much normal experiential info about darkies in general that after a certain age, it becomes an open psychic sore....lord...how could this be??? I know I am supposed to Believe, etc. and they become hair-trigger on it, ready to explode. 50 years of Failure....my God, how could you do this to us? Cognitive dissonance is the old cliche, but now it is Emotional Dissonance. I luv the Blacks...but I hate them really, I am afraid of them, etc.

    This emotional tarpit agonizes the individual liberal. That is the signal emotional issue of our time and Trump, while formally luving the Negroes and greasers, is properly perceived as about to ... take off the gloves.

    Next time the ghettoes chimp out with looting , etc, the guns comes out, our guns, cop guns.

    This ups the emotional ante for the liberals....Emotional Contradictions with no possible 'synthesis'

    So the Race Lies are coming home to roost. That is what is going on here. Immigration is all Race.
    The Lies are roosting on our White Money Trees, that we have built over centuries, and are dragging us down. Whites have had it. That is the Truth, except liberals of course, who secretly hate the negroes too, but.

    So yes, the thing is getting a bit weird, but it is not deep state, it is deep brain....white altruism bashing its head on Blackness.

    joe Webb
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  88. aandrews says:
    @Anonymous
    Give me a break, Trump is not going to prosecute anyone on tax or corruption charges when he is probably guilty of corruption and tax fraud himself. That's why he isn't going to release his tax docs.

    And sorry, I don't buy the whole Trump vs the establishment narrative. This is just the deep state in civil war, with the peasantry left out in the cold as always.

    I will start to pay attention to Trump when he takes on Wallstreet and Isreal. Until then Trump is just the right version of Barack Obama.

    Cf. Perfectly Legal, by David Cay Johnston.

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  89. @MJMD
    While I agree with much of the author's analysis, I have a few serious misgivings:

    1)


    ...I did predict that “The USA is about to face the worst crisis of its history”
     
    That article talked a lot about a hypothetical future civil war without really mentioning the actual Civil War that came close to permanently crippling the modern United States. I highly, highly doubt anything George Soros has cooked up will be worse than that: it'll either be put down in much less time with proportionately far fewer casualties or it will succeed and install a somewhat competent (if mendacious) administrative tyranny. This isn't Spain in the 30s: even a botched takeover that leaves the country split exactly down the middle is unlikely to result in the years and years of futile bloodletting that characterized those past conflicts. Americans haven't the stomach for it, and America also has other strengths that will serve to prevent it, as I'll get into.

    2) The Pink Revolution is real, absolutely. But, regardless of the cheerleading by a mainstream media that is less trusted and approved of even than Trump, it has neither the money nor the backing to overthrow the American system of government. Look, I'm sorry to have to put this so bluntly, but the U.S. is not the former U.S.S.R. She may be far fallen from the sublime heights that she achieved in de Tocqueville's day, but her civil society is still much stronger, her rule of law much longer established, and her people wealthier, more self-sufficient, and less susceptible to the influence of centralized media organizations. People have been mocking pompous television newscasters and using papers to wrap fish in America since the advent of the media. The newspapers, too, are far fallen from the days when they could induce Americans to invade Cuba; American television news snagged some unearned credibility in the 1970s when it turned against a winnable war (Vietnam) and a successful President (Nixon), but has since squandered it all pushing an unwinnable war (Iraq) and whitewashing the failings of two complete incompetents (Bush and Obama). A war between the mass media and Donald Trump might draw more blood from deluded idiots now than at any point previous in U.S. history, but Donald Trump would still win, hands down.

    The bad actors still do have access to tools that truly threaten Trump, no question, either by manufacturing an impeachment or arranging an assassination, and such actions would be met with approval by a significant percentage of the American population. But there is no way that a minority of that population (or its representatives) could itself move to overthrow the American system of government and still retain any legitimacy or avoid arousing the fatal opposition of the military or the majority.

    Quit trying to rehabilitate the Vietnam War, nobody wanted to get their balls blown off on behalf of the central bankers.
    If communism is such a flawed premise, then there is no need to burn down my house and put me in a steel cage because l wouldnt volunteer for YOUR half- baked central planning scheme.

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  90. Clyde says:
    @HdC
    I believe there is a God, and yes, I have read the book entitled The Blind Watchmaker. I found it a truly fascinating read with details about biology I'd never heard about.

    And I am a licensed Professional Engineer running my very own practice until my retirement last year at the age of 70.

    I find it impossible to believe that by waiting -religiously- long enough one winds up with intelligent life. As an Engineer I KNOW that leaving things to their own devices will reduce organization: Machinery wears out and breaks down, simple observational fact. Civilizations succumb to new ones.

    Let's make this mind experiment: I'll give you a couple of billion years or so advantage in cell development and hand you a nice fresh steak. Can one honestly believe that by waiting another billion years or so that steak will develop -evolve- into a beautiful and intelligent young woman??? Me neither.

    Having said all that, I believe that God set a process in motion that gave us intelligent (mostly) human beings as an end result. Now then, there is a large group of people who believe that God takes an everyday interest in their daily lives guiding each step of the way; I certainly don't subscribe to this.

    I believe that once the development process was set in motion this development was left to its own devices, ie. a more-or-less hands-off approach. There may have been godly intervention from time to time; Jesus' birth attests to that as it changed the human development from an eye for an eye to a much more forgiving existence. Agreed that there were serious difficulties along the way.

    This left-to-its-own-devices development is consistent with what is called Free Will. People can choose to do what is called right or wrong, subject to law enforcement in organized society.

    Btw., you may sneer at your so-called German character faults all you like. I'd make the bet that there are very few, if any, that can compete with the ability to organize and get things done without having a rifle barrel stuck up their backside.

    Have you read a book entitled The Pity of War? It deals a little with the effectiveness of the various soldiers on the battle field. The main comparison was between the British and German personnel. Where the Tommy would sit on his duff awaiting orders, the German would go looking for trouble on his own initiative. Guess who was more effective during the chaos of battle? HdC

    I believe there is a God, and yes, I have read the book entitled The Blind Watchmaker. I found it a truly fascinating read with details about biology I’d never heard about.

    I go along with much of what atheist Richard Dawkins has to say and also have good reasons to believe in God and strong cosmic forces, some of which are spiritual. Don’t ask me to reconcile the the two. I also go along with what you said about God creating the universe and most of the creation of man. Then leaving it to its own devices, while functioning under certain “laws of the universe” that God created. That God is hands on and hands off. He is not a micro manager. We have free will.

    On a lower level There are various saints and forces that can intervene for you and help you. Matter of fact when you take all the people praying to Mother Mary (as an example) for x y and z they are actually giving more existence, reality and power to Mother Mary. You have many Christian Saints people are praying to and some of it works. I have a negative opinion of Islam, but the more people who pray to Allah and Muhammad, the stronger Muhammad becomes as a negative force in this world. I don’t care if Muslims claim they do not pray to Muhammad. Their outward actions tell me they do.

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  91. @Cloak And Dagger
    The Saker makes an interesting proposition: use 9/11 as the lever to expose the deep state.
    That might just work if engaged expertly.

    The frustration I have had in observing the deep state's control of everything in our lives can be distilled into the fact that the neocons, Israelis, and the International bankers that comprise the deep state are so entrenched in the very fabric of this nation, with complete control of finance, media, and politics, that it seems that dislodging them would be an insurmountable task. Over the decades (centuries?) cancer has spread to the extent that there seems no way to excise it, and that has slowly turned this country into a collection of impotent cynics.

    I didn't vote for Trump. I voted against Hillary. I am not alone in this.

    But now that he is my president, a lot of my hopes for this country that I love are tied to his success in dislodging the deep state. 9/11 may well be the means of achieving that elusive goal.

    Despite all that has been written about 9/11, and the fact that the official story doesn't hold water, I can't pretend to know what actually happened on that fateful day or how it was accomplished, and beyond a deep conviction of who the perpetrators of that invasion were, I don't really know who committed this heinous crime. There is enough circumstantial evidence for me to believe that it wasn't committed by 19 cave-dwellers with box-cutters, 7 of whom turned out to be alive and well afterward.

    A crime of this magnitude and the sophistication of its execution could only have been realized by the forces of the deep state, and their hubris and impunity may well be their downfall. If Trump can expose just a handful of the executors of this attack, it could unravel everything, since the complicity of all the supporting entities, from the media, the think tanks, and the financial institutions, and their minions in Congress, would bring the entire enterprise crashing down into its own footprint at free fall speeds. He claims to know more about 9/11 than the rest of us do. If that is true, then there is cause for hope. He did just place a portrait of Jackson in the Oval Office, so perhaps he may be inspired as Jackson was to destroy the den of vipers.

    Can Trump do it without ending up pushing daisies like JFK/RFK/MLK? The odds are against it, but the possibility exists, however improbable. If he can marshall the support of the people, he may well achieve it.

    And that is why the deep state is fomenting a civil war in this country. Their survival depends on preventing the citizens of this great nation from uniting under one banner, so they fan the flames of dissension and discord because as long as we fight among ourselves, the puppet masters are safe and continue to grow.

    Deflect, distract, divide, and dominate: a tried and true strategy of our demonic overlords. Will they continue to win?

    Whilst I agree with much of what you’ve written allow me to posit the notion that Pizzagate, with Jeffrey Epstein in particular, might be an easier way to unlock the box of secrets that goes far wider than just 9/11. I do agree that 9/11 is the great treason with which those responsible for so much might be brought to account.

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    @NoseytheDuke


    Pizzagate, with Jeffrey Epstein in particular, might be an easier way to unlock the box of secrets
     
    You may be right in that Epstein holds the key to how non-zio politicians are blackmailed into supporting Israel's causes in Congress, with his hidden cameras on his island and on the Lolita Express. However, It is not obvious to me if that is any easier than ripping the covers off of 9/11. Epstein got off with a slap on the wrist and the Dershbag is completely off the hook, despite the lawsuit from early last year by Jane Doe #3. Even Prince Andrew was caught in that snare, but look where they are now, and Jane Doe #3 still does not have justice.

    The magic lever is out there somewhere, but it is not clear to me how it will be found and who will solve the biggest crime mystery of our time and bring peace to its many victims, here and across the globe.
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  92. joe webb says:
    @RobinG
    Hey Joe, I'm meaning to get back to you on another thread, but in the meantime I have to caution you on your careless use of Slav. "The 13 countries considered to be official Slavic states include the Czech Republic, Bosnia, Serbia, Poland, Slovakia, Belarus, Russia, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Croatia, Slovenia and Montenegro."

    The Ural Mountains are far east of Moscow, with their southern end in Kazakhstan and at the Aral Sea, and their northern end even farther east. Unless you think Saker is some kind of Siberian, I don't know what you're driving at.

    .

    fair remark. The geography is more or less correct and the argument is from a friend who gets into the micro-genetics quite a lot. He reads the books, and I do not. He mentioned what I think I made clear…it is his contribution, not mine.

    What I am driving at is: the Saker is suspicious like most Slavs, etc. They over-do it says my friend. I dunno. But the Russians here are known to be not like us in many respects. A Russian friend of mine who I had subjected to the often heard, not mine, charge that Russians are crooks, said, “yes, we are pirates.” For what it is worth.

    75 years of communism I guess either aggravated the above genetic claim, or expressed it or both.

    The notion that western Europeans moved around a lot…high viscous gene traveling over the centuries while the Slavs were low viscous…slow in moving around and gene exchanges. This somehow led to more ethnic chauvinism or suspicion of strangers, etc.

    The Saker is, to use popular lingo, pretty paranoid. The Anglo-Zionist Conspiracy is gonna getcha. However, as I perhaps cryptically remarked, the Saker compensates by lovin’ All God’s Chillun, especially Darkies. He regards White Nationalists as racist scum, never mind nazis.

    While I seem to Think that the general level of hysteria now is pretty high, higher than I can recall at any time … after coming of age around 1960, …well… the Internet is a factor, as well as the economic malaise that so many folks experience. And…

    The Societal Refusal to deal with Race as the living room elephant is getting to be a very tender nerve. Most folks who got any brains have so much normal experiential info about darkies in general that after a certain age, it becomes an open psychic sore….lord…how could this be??? I know I am supposed to Believe, etc. and they become hair-trigger on it, ready to explode. 50 years of Failure….my God, how could you do this to us? Cognitive dissonance is the old cliche, but now it is Emotional Dissonance. I luv the Blacks…but I hate them really, I am afraid of them, etc.

    This emotional tarpit agonizes the individual liberal. That is the signal emotional issue of our time and Trump, while formally luving the Negroes and greasers, is properly perceived as about to … take off the gloves.

    Next time the ghettoes chimp out with looting , etc, the guns comes out, our guns, cop guns.

    This ups the emotional ante for the liberals….Emotional Contradictions with no possible ‘synthesis’

    So the Race Lies are coming home to roost. That is what is going on here. Immigration is all Race.
    The Lies are roosting on our White Money Trees, that we have built over centuries, and are dragging us down. Whites have had it. That is the Truth, except liberals of course, who secretly hate the negroes too, but.

    So yes, the thing is getting a bit weird, but it is not deep state, it is deep brain….white altruism bashing its head on Blackness.

    joe Webb

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    "The Saker is, to use popular lingo, pretty paranoid. The Anglo-Zionist Conspiracy is gonna getcha."
    May I ask about your relationships with the City of London and Wall Street? .... What about Atlantic Council and AEI?... Have not you noticed some whiff of paranoia in your mental state?
    , @RobinG
    Joe, IDK whether it's you or your friend who fails to see the enormous hole in this Slav genetic theory. Remember the Urals? We just agreed that the Slavs are west of the Urals, hence part of the easy-flow gene pool. (BTW, viscosity being 'resistance to flow' the Europeans would be low-viscous, i.e. less resistance. No?)

    If you just want to say that you think Slavs, including Russians, are more suspicious than Europeans, you're entitled to your opinion, but support with real evidence to get anyone but Russophobes to agree. (You were specifying Russians, but how about those Latvians and Poles? Are they really so paranoid, or do they just see an easy way to get what they hope is some [economic] benefit from NATO by crying 'wolf'?)

    How about Mike Flynn's utter paranoia regarding Russia and especially Iran? And the Democrats' paranoia about Russia? (I thought it was fake, but seems like these guys really believe it.) Oh ya, that reminds me, slight hypocrisy here.... Wasn't it you who said the Russians were able to influence this US election? But that we shouldn't deny the Arabs' agency in their elections and "Arab Spring"? If you think the Russkies influenced American voters, I can absolutely assure you that the US Dept. of State did it's level best to influence the Arab Spring via highly paid and supported ex-pat clients.

    There simply isn't time to unravel your illogical twists and turns, which is why I prefer to just note our points of mutual interest, mostly concerning foolish leftist extremes. I despise these nouveau-Bolshies, which finally brings me to why I'm writing now:
    WHAT THE HELL is with these BLACK BLOCK ANARCHISTS ???
    Are there many of them? A couple hundred were arrested here in DC during the Inauguration. Disruptive bunch of a**holes with nothing constructive to suggest, sowing chaos for its own sake.
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  93. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Ron Paul warns of imminent economic collapse to be blamed on Trump instead of the Fed

    That’s become an everyday trick.
    Support the government? Make economic statistics look good.
    Wanna change government? Say the truth about the economic situation (while not saying the reasons behind it, sure).

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  94. Chuck Schumer, David Frum, Louise Mensch are three usurpers that immediately come to mind. Frum was on Face The Nation a couple of weeks ago and mentioned 3 separate times that Trump’s private security detail is a problem. The not so subtle attempt to extricate Trump’s private security from protecting him was a dead giveaway. Trump can’t trust the Secret Service and should be aware of this, or someone should tell him. The 9/11 card is ultimately his ace in the hole. Roger Stone said on Infowars a year or two ago that President Trump is very aware of the 9/11 conspiracy and who was probably behind it.

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  95. Skeptikal says:
    @Anon
    two examples of German Jews who voluntarily walked away, in 1932:

    Erich Mendelsohn, "the Jewish architect," left in 1932. Mendelsohn never tired of repeating the story of walking out of the house he built "with only a pencil in his pocket," -- that and plans to transform Palestine to a Mendelsohnian dream of the "international style" that he deemed was the only appropriate design for "modern" architecture.

    Leo Strauss, godfather of neoconservatism shed his admiration for the analysis of Carl Schmitt like a snake crawls out of his skin, when, in 1932, the opportunity to hie off to New York on the Rockefeller dime, presented itself.

    got anything else to throw at the wall?

    The original quote:
    “In 1932 many many German Jews voluntarily walked away from their properties in Germany — they were not forced to, they chose to because they knew something others did not: that zionists Jews planned to “Exodus”

    Some Jews left Germany for Palestine and other destinations such as England the USA all along the line. This is a phenomenon that is occurring all the time. Some people emigrate to other countries for any number of reasons, especially when they receive good offers of professional advancement.

    To assert that these two individuals’ decisions in 1932 arose from the “Exodus” planned by Zionist Jews is absurd (and how does Strauss work into this narrative?). Very few German Jews were advocates of the Zionist cause. Especially in Berlin, most were highly secularized and wanted nothing more than to assimilate more than they were already. They knew they had it better in Berlin than just about anyplace else, and *they were Germans.* Remember? Citizens of the republic. Many had fought in the World War, etc. AFTER 1933, when they started to grasp what was coming, those who tried to leave for the most part were allowed to do so only after turning over all of their assets to the Reich and cooperating in the Aryanization of their businesses—or being sent to Dachau or Sachsen-Hausen for six months, until they were ready to see the light and to turn over their assets and leave. The Reich needed money. The Reich was also paranoid and people came under suspicion for all kinds of reasons, such as being suspected of currency offenses (e.g., those who traveled back and forth between Germany and other countries). The idea that in 1932 Jews walked away and voluntarily abandoned their assets in order to get the Zionist program in Palestine going is not supported by evidence, despite the cases of a few highly educated individuals, one of whom chose to go to Palestine. On April 26, 1938, the Decree for Reporting of Jewish Property meant that all Jews with more than RM 5,000 worth of assets had to declare this to the state. Jews could leave if they turned over all their assets to the Reich. Conditions for Jews in Germany were transforming fast in the decade of the thirties. It is a mistake to assume that conditions were the same throughout the thirties. They were not.

    Actually, your Mendelssohn example doesn’t seem to wash.

    http://www.berlin.de/2013/en/portraits/selected-portraits/mendelsohn-erich/:

    Erich Mendelsohn (1887–1953)

    Erich Mendelsohn was one of the most important German architects of the twentieth century. Columbus House on Potsdamer Platz (1930/32), the Schaubühne on Lehniner Platz (1928) and the Einstein Tower in Potsdam (1919/22) are among his famous designs. The Jewish architect fled Germany in 1933 and emigrated first to England, then to Palestine and eventually to the USA in 1941. After the war, Mendelsohn designed a memorial to the Jewish victims of the Nazi regime for New York; however the memorial was never realized.

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    We keep hearing about the "poor" Jews in Germany. Well fuck the Jews. They destroyed Germany. The looted the country, destroyed the currency, fostered strikes in the middle of WWI, attempted to take the country over by armed force and so degraded the morality of the country children were being prostituted on the streets. The Jews should learn to not be so evil. If you're evil and bad things keep happening to you well you deserve it. Those Jews who are not evil should attack the ones that are. If not for moralities sake, to save their own skins.
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  96. @Authenticjazman
    Okay as an atheist who pulled the lever for DT, I have a question for yourself as a believing Christian , a question which I have posed innumerable times to God-believers over the last fifty years and for which I have to this day not recieved a viable answer, okay here it is, and please read it very carefully :
    The Hitler puzzle :
    So if God, as according to you God-believing folks "knows" the future, and If God created everything and everybody including Hitler, this means then that God also "Knew" that Hitler , in the future, would be directly and indirectly responsible murders of ca sixty million humans.
    But according to you Christian God-believers God also allowed for the exercise of " free-will" meaning then that he "Allowed" Hitler to exercise his "Free-will" through the accomplishment of the murders of sixty million human beings.
    Now of course he, God, could have avoided this carnage by simply not creating Hitler in the first place and thusly nullifying his, Hitler's "Free-will", however God apparently considered Hitler's free-will to have priority over the survival of his, Hitler's" sixty million victims, and he , God, therefore went ahead and created him, Hitler, anyway, fully knowing, seeing as God "Knows" the future, fully knowing what was going to occur, which could have been avoided, had God chosen to not create Hitler.
    So the situation is/was : If God would have not created Hitler, his victims, of which God had, knowing the future according to your teachings, full knowledge, these people would have not become the ultimate victims of AH.
    Or to put it in simple terms : God, knowing the future, knew that Hitler was going to murder sixty million people, and he went ahead and created him anyway, so as not violate Hitler's exercise of free-will.
    So just what is your own take on this issue?

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

    Jazzman, anons answer to you is sufficient for me, so let me ask you this:

    If there is merely the great chain of existence, a Parmenidean block universe where free will is an illusion- how in the world do you subscribe to such a thing as sublime as jazz improvisation?

    Don’t musicians ascribe their feelings of INSPIRATION ( l am thinking of Bach here) to a Creator (we are made in His image- CREATIVE!).

    It seems that the love that makes the strings vibrate in sympathetic occilations is more conducive to surrender and faith, then the despair of Neitzche, or Sartres suicidal resolution in The Myth Of Sysiphus.

    Even Wagner eventually told Nietzche to get lost.

    And that old atheist who gave us his “theories” of time (Einstein the fiddle player) could read the notes perfectly-but had no “feel” no “rythym” no “timing”…no SPIRIT!

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  97. @Carlton Meyer
    "There will be secession movements that will balkanize the lower 48."

    That would work great if the movement for California to succeed works. It could become an open borders cesspool as all the illegals and half of Latin America storm in. Other states could bus their unwanted illegals there, and it would turn into a new Brazil (a rich upper class) and hordes of poor. The state language would become Spanish and crime would become rampant, but the rest of America would benefit. All the whites and asians would eventually flee (millions have already), and it would become a Third World failure. Parts of that state are already like that.

    California is the most beautiful and scenic state with vast amounts of untouched open spaces and hundreds of miles of great beaches. Giving up my state to the perverts and Mexicans would be outrageous. Carlton, you are the traitor.

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    @Wayne Pacific

    I live and work in Silicon Valley. I have yet to come across a single individual who wants California to secede from the US. There was a movement to split California into several smaller states, but except for the supporters of the instigator for this movement, I haven't yet come across a single individual who wants even that.

    I call BS on this whole California secession story.
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  98. pelagic says:
    @jacques sheete

    But for the most part, Americans are apathetic and will not put forth the effort to change things if it requires sacrifice.
     
    For sure. They typically won't even expend the effort to search for the truth; they have been, continue to be, and always shall be content to wallow in mythology.

    “They typically won’t even expend the effort to search for the truth; they have been, continue to be, and always shall be content to wallow in mythology.”

    Mostly yes. As for what Americans might do or not do under duress, the dire prognostications in this thread seem to posit scenarios based only on the current conditions. As history amply demonstrates, it is under some combination of political turmoil and economic distress that the mythology is more likely to be armed and dangerous. So long as folks have basic provisions and comforts they are not easily moved to counter-revolution.

    Revolutionaries on the other hand…

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  99. Skeptikal says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Who would want to go to Palestine when life was good in Germany?
     
    But, as has been stated before, in ~Feb. 1933 Louis Brandeis, Jewish hofjuden, directed that "all Jews must leave Germany."

    In 1935, Vladimir Jabotinsky, who had effectively taken control of the zionist movement with Revisionist zionism, decreed that all diaspora Jews must migrate to Palestine.

    Revisionist zionists created Mossad-el aliyeh bet, that worked in coordination with, and in the known presence of, German authorities, to persuade German Jews to leave Germany for Palestine.

    As you say, "Who would want to go to Palestine when life was good in Germany?", and voila, Kristallnacht.

    Who would have thought that by merely killing a second-tier German diplomat all hell could be made to break lose, and the synagogues and businesses that German Jews valued would be smashed and German Jews made to fear for their futures in Germany.
    Such a tragic coincidence.

    “But, as has been stated before, in ~Feb. 1933 Louis Brandeis, Jewish hofjuden, directed that “all Jews must leave Germany.”

    In 1935, Vladimir Jabotinsky, who had effectively taken control of the zionist movement with Revisionist zionism, decreed that all diaspora Jews must migrate to Palestine.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    So what? Words are cheap. Louis Brandeis was an American, not a Hofjude (note sp.).
    Pre-1933, established communities of German Jews were not enthusiastic about leaving Germany for Palestine, nor about the Zionist project in general.
    And they were not taking orders from Brandeis or Jabotinsky.
    They saw that the Zionist project undermined their own position as Germans who happened to be Jews. Even post-1933 many chose to hope that there was a way for them to stay put in Germany (or Austria) rather than leave their home country.

    See https://www.jstor.org/stable/261239?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents:

    “Of the approximately 600,000 Jews in Germany [before 1933], never more than 20,000 were members in the Zionistische Vereinigung fuer Deutschland.” Etc. Read the abstract.

    Further to Mendelssohn:
    “In the spring of 1933, in the wake of growing antisemitism and the rise of the Nazis in Germany, he fled to England. His fortune was seized by the Nazis, his name struck from the list of the German Architects’ Union, and he was excluded from the Prussian Academy of Arts.”

    It never ceases to amaze me what nonsense people confidently put forward about the Jews in Germany. There is a lot of information online, even for those who do not speak or read German.

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  100. HdC says:
    @Rurik

    Having said all that, I believe that God set a process in motion that gave us intelligent (mostly) human beings as an end result.
     
    well stated case HdC

    perhaps a bit OT..

    but may I ask you, out of curiosity vis-a-vis life on this planet...

    do you consider the difference between humans and animals one of degree, or one of kind?

    iow, are we humans removed from the animal kingdom, in much the same way humans are removed from God?

    Do we humans, in your considered opinion, possess the mark of divinity on our souls, and is it our 'free will', that makes us so?

    Thanks for your reply.

    I am certainly not a deep religious thinker; I merely attempt to reconcile my observations with religious convictions.

    As to your question, I believe it is our soul, given to us by God, that makes it possible for us humans to tell the difference between right and wrong. The ability to do so requires a Free Will. HdC

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    OK, HdC

    don't want to belabor it on this thread

    thanks for your reply

    cheers
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  101. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Skeptikal
    Yeah, the Quakers comment really is a lolla doodle! This guy doesn't know zilch about Quakers, and that sorta throws a wrench into the rest of it. Back to the drawing board, Mr. Owen!

    That said, I think there are more than a "few thousand" Quakers in Britain.
    See https://www.quaker.org.uk/about-quakers

    According to the BBC, there are 17,000 Quakers in Britain. Maybe a few more than “a few thousand”, but not a lot more!

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  102. Jake says:

    “I write a lot about russophobia on this blog, but I also see a deep-seated “Americanophobia” or “USophobia” in the words and actions who today say that Trump is not their President.”

    They are one and the same: they are both Hating Whitey.

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  103. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Deep State hates Trump, but it has reasons to fear the crisis that will follow Trump’s removal were it to be traced to Deep State maneuverings. In the age of the internet, it will be difficult for Deep State to get away with something down and dirty.

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  104. @survey-of-disinfo
    p.s.

    You will note that the plan outlined also gave cover for every country to roll in surveillance state laws, mechanisms, and militarized police. Main obstacle for globalists here were nations, mainly Western, that had certain level of civil liberties or at least claimed the ideal; and, non-Western nations that previously were subjected to "human rights" harrassment from the West prior to their establishment throwing in the towel and signing on the dotted line and joining the globalist agenda.

    These means and ways will NOT be rolled back once step 6 goals are realized.

    It is the New Reality, along with cash less society & 99% on the dole (thus fully dependent on the global state).

    What remains to be seen is if there will be another good old "World War" thrown in to cull the head count of the cattle, given advances in robotics and machine intelligence.

    you ignore last 80 years of history.

    United states invented and founded globalism after ww2. UN, World Bank (owned/run by US), IMF, Nato, bretton woods, all designed to spread “american way” around world. ALL made up of nations dependent on US, with us at center of each one. NOt accident, not coincidence. Not done out of goodness. Done out of desire for control. Control nations for US purposes.

    Question? What purpose do these organizations serve? Who benefits? who determines “american way?” You? You ever talk to congressman in office? Congrressman ever ask YOU what he can do for YOU?

    Fact: political orgs run things, in same way clerk at store register “runs” store, but, whose benefit is store run for? OWNERS. SO, question? if president “run store” who own US store? Who hire GOVT “clerks” to run it?

    Answer; people who put up money. US nation built on money, capitalism. Not military success, not ideas, not rights, etc but earning money. Earning money is “american way.” US exists to help big people earn money. UN, world bank, exists for money and to grow us economic interests. Nato/ big army exists to protect market to sell/buy from. Bretton woods, dollar standard trade advantage, etc. FOr big companies, industries. Not for you, not for “freedom”, etc.

    Past problem with russi/soviet and china? not that they are dictatorships-US work with many dictatorships, murdurers, criminals, etc. Problem is, outside us system…outside money system, no dolllar dependendence, not requirement for military aid, technology, not need huge trade, etc…no leverage, except against each other. Not controled by america at all. alternate global system. Only good thing; economic backwaters at time. Not good wealth

    Today, russia.china problem different. today russia and china on same side. Today, several global systems other than US. silk road, AIIB, yuan, etc. all out of US control. All out of control of people who control US and its systems.Rich countries, combined bigger than US itself, still independent. Now, they can draw in there own “clients”, set up there own systems. Take US place in world. shove us out of way

    This makes US “deep State” angry and scared. US deep state being shoved to back of line. This because china, russia dont need or care about us money and money people or money organizations, the have there own. This is why US so aggressive with china (islands) and russian(ukraine, etc). No other method of influence. US deep state losing control of globe and flailing, being replaced by chinese/russian deep state.

    US and europe are last territores us deep state will ever control, now they run risk of losing them too, losing europe to russia, and losing US to populism, racial identities, trump like people, etc. All us deep state systems set up over 80 years being threated with destruction. This explains actions of congress; much heat being put on them by Soros, Steyer, koch, slim. Some of them taking direct action (stuff at airports today).

    Fate of their world riding on next 4 years. They will do annything to stop systems from failing, and system itself (fbi, cia, nsa, media, etc) will defend itself. Trumps only ally? those outside us deep state system, common people who have no stake in it, and there support. if trump and common people can spark nationalism in us, reduce deep state created foreign focus, US deep state will lose, US common people might win, forstall war, ruinous economic conflict, etc. if trump cant, big war(economic and military), US common people will lose huge, deep state will lose but lose less, chaos.

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    Roll back Citizens United.
    That would give Americans a chance to establish a genuine party with members, such as the UK Labour Party.
    The current two main parties are private fiefdoms run by a few billionaires. The so-called "membership" has no say in anything.
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  105. attonn says:

    I think the whole of the West is done. The liberal cancer already got into the bones, and not a single part of the body is unaffected. This will have to be resolved in some really horrible way…

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    "The liberal cancer...." - the NEOLIBERAL cancer
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  106. Jessy S says:
    @animalogic
    I just wish to voice my AMAZEMENT at the political STUPIDITY of (so-called) "progressives"
    Broadly, they have become the willing enthusiastic TOOLS of their own enemies (deep state/neo-con's etc).
    Narrowly, their political tactics are MORONIC. Do they really think they will reach out to working Americans by protesting the simple FACT that Trump is president ? Protest is actually counter productive in the absence of defined & specific goals.
    Anyway, at this rate they'll move on from shooting themselves in the foot to shooting themselves in the head in short order.
    Fucking amateurs.

    Completely agree. Much of this is sophomoric in nature and President Trump will put a stop to that in short order. In addition, everybody is advised that the President can declare Martial Law at any time, and it is most likely Donald Trump that will declare it.

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    Thanks for reply. You raise an interesting & worrying point.
    Naturally, President Trump could react as you suggest.
    However, I believe, that (assuming there is no significant escalation) a response such as martial law would be unwise.
    It would give the protesters a kind of legitimacy which, as yet, they do not deserve.
    It would be just another (very big) stick with which Trump's enemies could hit him.
    I sincerely hope that martial law does not become necessary.
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  107. Jason Liu says:

    Disagree. It usually takes young men to make any kind of revolution happen. The cat ladies of the women’s tantrum will back down the moment things get tough.

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  108. attonn says:
    @Diogenes
    Shall we rejoice? The most powerful country on earth is disintegrating through internal strife between rival factions which no longer share a common vision and purpose.
    We are witnessing a slow and inexorable decay of the "united" states into the disunited States of America which is now so polarized with internal divisions on multi dimensional levels that it will lead to it's own self-destruction. Let's just list a few destabilizing cracks in the edifice of the American state:
    1.between a demagogic President and the "Deep State
    2. a class war between the financial elites [bankers] and the rest resulting in a greater wealth gap disparity,
    3. a race war between whites, blacks, Hispanics,etc
    4.a religious war between Christian whites, immigrant Muslims and the much hated Jewish interlopers,
    5.between capitalists and unemployed workers,
    6.between urban Liberals and rural conservatives,
    7.inter factional turf wars within the National Security State, Intelligence and Military, etc, complex,
    8. dysfunctional partisan infighting within corrupt governmental systems.
    9.domestic ideological strife as overtly democratic practise and governance is weakened and authoritarian practices [militarized police and domestic spying] are covertly strengtened .

    Unfortunately the standard response to civil unrest is to set aside differences and to unite against an external threat such as Russia, China, Iran and world wide Terrorism.

    Perhaps most of the American population won't fall for that ploy anymore and just carry on with a war promoting their own internal agendas and try to defeat their real enemies within the country.

    Either way it will be more chaos and destruction, it's best it remains an internal affair and not a world wide calamity.

    Oh, it will be a “worldwide calamity”, all right. The whole world is riding on the back of the American consumer. Remove the latter – and the whole edifice comes crashing down.

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  109. I just wanted to say that Trump has been given information on everything, from the dirtiest you could ever imagine. It will be interesting to see if he uses it. Or if he has to use it. It involves almost all of them in power. Even those you’d never even know their name, no reason to really. You must shine the light of truth and justice to make them flee.

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  110. Eckbach says:
    @anon

    get them on charges of tax evasion, corruption, conspiracy, obstruction of justice, etc.
     
    that won't work.

    they wrote the rules, i.e. on taxes.

    and if you research things like deeds and mortgages, you find that their properties are held in complicated trusts -- in other words, they have made themselves judgment proof.

    if you review their deeded properties, you notice they live relatively modestly; walking away would not be an enormous loss, and others of their community will cover their losses. Many of them have an offshore hideaway all set up; they have multiple passports.

    In 1932 many many German Jews voluntarily walked away from their properties in Germany -- they were not forced to, they chose to because they knew something others did not: that zionists Jews planned to "Exodus" -- in the full meaning of that mythic event -- Germany. Over a quarter-century earlier, Herzl had lobbied Kaiser Wilhelm to aid Jews to "exodus" -- his word -- from Germany.

    legal actions against neocons would be extremely difficult: this group will be on both sides of any action, both judge and defense counsel.

    Lamposts.
    no stoop no squat no squint no ugly bathtub ring

    Herzl also lobbied Wilhelm’s cousin, Czar Nicholas II, using, in a letter, the phrase “the final solution to the Jewish question.”
    “Exodus” is a compound Greek word; from “ex” (out), and “hodos” (the road). It was indeed a historical event, but had nothing to do with any “Jews.”

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  111. @Carlton Meyer
    The author missed the biggest story. Manhattan Senator Chuck Schumer (D-Israel) suggested a coup that was announced by the CIA's media outlet, the Washington Post:

    If he cannot accept reality, he is not fit to carry out the duties of the president. We are not calling — yet — for invocation of Section 4 of the 25th Amendment. (“Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.”)

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/01/25/maybe-trump-isnt-lying/?utm_term=.a68e3e9e46ee

    That can be countered: Obama’s Treason in arming terrorists. In fact there is introduced in Congress by Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) with Democrat and Republican Co-sponsors, the Stop Arming Terrorist Act, which by its title implies that we have been arming terrorists. Arming terrorists in the war against terror is arming the enemy. Arming the enemy is Treason.

    First lets #StopMnuchin around and stop Wall Street’s agent. Soros mobster Steven”the forclosure king” Mnuchin the anti Glass-Steagal liar and thief.

    https://larouchepac.com/20170122/larouche-keep-mnuchin-out-treasury-avoid-economic-collapse

    @StopMnuchin

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  112. Nickels says:

    If neocrooks hit Trump certainly potential for revolution is strong.
    With modern technology not sure how effective this.

    I think theyll try to impeach him with the Russian lie and then Im hoping for a military/police coup that installs him as Caesar and abolishes the courts and congress.

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  113. Vuy says:
    @Authenticjazzman
    Look you are not getting my point, which is: We can exchange the name Hitler with anyone from Stalin to Gacy to Bundy to the guy who crashed a plane with 150 passengers, to untold numbers of mass murderers and the question remains :

    If God knows the future and he then also knows that certain individuals which he creates are going to be mass murderers, then why does he not simply refrain from creating these specific individuals, or is then the "Free will of these murderous types more important than the survival of their victims.

    I myself am an atheist to the bone , however for this one question I have yet to receive a logical answer.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

    God woud then need to preclude the likes of you. Evil wins not due to the evil of a few but due to the collective chronic sin of all.

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  114. Dube says:
    @Authenticjazman
    Okay as an atheist who pulled the lever for DT, I have a question for yourself as a believing Christian , a question which I have posed innumerable times to God-believers over the last fifty years and for which I have to this day not recieved a viable answer, okay here it is, and please read it very carefully :
    The Hitler puzzle :
    So if God, as according to you God-believing folks "knows" the future, and If God created everything and everybody including Hitler, this means then that God also "Knew" that Hitler , in the future, would be directly and indirectly responsible murders of ca sixty million humans.
    But according to you Christian God-believers God also allowed for the exercise of " free-will" meaning then that he "Allowed" Hitler to exercise his "Free-will" through the accomplishment of the murders of sixty million human beings.
    Now of course he, God, could have avoided this carnage by simply not creating Hitler in the first place and thusly nullifying his, Hitler's "Free-will", however God apparently considered Hitler's free-will to have priority over the survival of his, Hitler's" sixty million victims, and he , God, therefore went ahead and created him, Hitler, anyway, fully knowing, seeing as God "Knows" the future, fully knowing what was going to occur, which could have been avoided, had God chosen to not create Hitler.
    So the situation is/was : If God would have not created Hitler, his victims, of which God had, knowing the future according to your teachings, full knowledge, these people would have not become the ultimate victims of AH.
    Or to put it in simple terms : God, knowing the future, knew that Hitler was going to murder sixty million people, and he went ahead and created him anyway, so as not violate Hitler's exercise of free-will.
    So just what is your own take on this issue?

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

    The classic philosophical “problem of evil.” You don’t need “Hitler” to demonstrate the problem; you might ask, why did God create the world and thereby allow anyone here to do …. [fill in your own blank]. One answer that is commonly offered in justification, though not always understood and accepted: God personally takes the penalty.

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    I am a Gumpist. Shit happens. That's why.
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  115. @NoseytheDuke
    Whilst I agree with much of what you've written allow me to posit the notion that Pizzagate, with Jeffrey Epstein in particular, might be an easier way to unlock the box of secrets that goes far wider than just 9/11. I do agree that 9/11 is the great treason with which those responsible for so much might be brought to account.

    Pizzagate, with Jeffrey Epstein in particular, might be an easier way to unlock the box of secrets

    You may be right in that Epstein holds the key to how non-zio politicians are blackmailed into supporting Israel’s causes in Congress, with his hidden cameras on his island and on the Lolita Express. However, It is not obvious to me if that is any easier than ripping the covers off of 9/11. Epstein got off with a slap on the wrist and the Dershbag is completely off the hook, despite the lawsuit from early last year by Jane Doe #3. Even Prince Andrew was caught in that snare, but look where they are now, and Jane Doe #3 still does not have justice.

    The magic lever is out there somewhere, but it is not clear to me how it will be found and who will solve the biggest crime mystery of our time and bring peace to its many victims, here and across the globe.

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    It is not obvious to me if that is any easier than ripping the covers off of 9/11.
     
    I'm with Nosey on this. In the end, most of the 1920's mob went to jail, not for murder, extortion, drug/booze running, etc, but for tax evasion. Why? It's simpler to investigate, and simpler to prosecute.
    My feeling is that 9/11 is too complex, with far too many moving parts, and was almost certainly so compartmentalized that a thorough investigation would take years to get through to the deeply hidden propagators. Also, the American public would be hard pressed to believe they'd been so completely duped to accept the initiation, never mind the results of an investigation. IOW, it would require a total re-write of the population's civic narrative; a requirement that, to my recollection has never been been met in history. The political will, and the political power to execute such an investigation is a very high bar.

    OTOH, should an investigation into the sexual abuse of children bring enough evidence to the surface, it would raise the public's visceral revulsion to a level that the demands for the round up and prosecution of the entire ring would overwhelm any attempt to block it. A single photograph may be enough to blow the lid off, and then the public's demand to decant all of the steaming muck in the pot would take over.

    As Prince suggested: (paraphrased) "Release Weiner's collection of 650,000 emails, and let the public decide". If they really do contain evidence of what he called "great evil", the instant outrage would result in investigating authorities being hard-pressed to keep the lynch mobs at bay. The corollary to a successful Pizzagate investigation is the possibility that the public's distaste for the "elites", and their appetite for truth may be sufficiently whetted to demand the draining of the 9/11 swamp as well.

    Win-win, for America; lose-lose for the denizens of the swamp. What's not to like?
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  116. @Harold100
    Good points all. Two comments.
    Trump certainly knew the day of 911 that it was phony. Just listen to his radio interview on that day. He went on and on about touring the twin towers with his structural engineer and how strong those buildings were. The twin towers were fantastically over designed because finite element analysis by digital computer hadn't been invented yet. Also, by the time you make a quarter mile high structure able to withstand 140 mph winds, it's going to be impervious to anything else.
    Secondly, it's easily demonstrated that part of the deep state backs Trump. Erik Prince, CEO of Blackwater, gave interviews to Infowars, a NYC local TV station and others on Nov 4 which essentially blackmailed FBI director Comey into reopening the Hillary investigation. He claimed NYPD would call a press conference exposing the sex crimes revealed in the Weiner laptop if the FBI didn't investigate. Black water is by definition an important cog in the deep state. Of course, all those generals backing Trump show evidence of military backing also, and the military must be an important part of the deep state.
    So my operating hypothesis is there is a civil war among the deep state. Even better, perhaps the military has rebelled against the ongoing destruction of America by the moronic invade-the-world-invite-the-world policy.
    Trump represents so much lighter a parasitic load on the American people that we should all support him, if necessary in the streets with guns. Do you think Soros' pussy-hatters can match that?
    But I wouldn't look to Trump to investigate 911. That is the nuclear option. Even fat lazy Americans might find murder of 3000 innocent Americans by the deep state too much to put up with. That would ruin the party for The faction Trump fronts as well.

    my operating hypothesis is there is a civil war among the deep state

    There is some evidence to support that hypothesis. The military seems to be outraged by the spooks, and some friction is evident at the top levels. A popular theory is that Trump won on the shoulders of the military and the payback is the prevalence of so many generals in his cabinet, with perhaps more to come.

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    Let's face it, the stupid wars that the spooks are instigating wouldn't make the grade after even the most cursory reading of The Art of War but the military are not only paying the cost of these mistakes, they aren't even looking good doing it. Quite the reverse. Most are good people and deserve better.

    Each side knows that the stakes are very high, so who will strike first? Trump is under attack from every angle softly speaking. He will have to step carefully. With the media all against him and twitter so limited in many ways, he'll want to open a conduit for communication to all and his knowledge of media is good.

    The truth of 9/11 coming out would be seismic. The military and police men and women need to get their heads around that and that would be a turning point. If it all just goes away it might be the worst scenario. I hope for the best.
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  117. @Wayne Pacific
    California is the most beautiful and scenic state with vast amounts of untouched open spaces and hundreds of miles of great beaches. Giving up my state to the perverts and Mexicans would be outrageous. Carlton, you are the traitor.

    I live and work in Silicon Valley. I have yet to come across a single individual who wants California to secede from the US. There was a movement to split California into several smaller states, but except for the supporters of the instigator for this movement, I haven’t yet come across a single individual who wants even that.

    I call BS on this whole California secession story.

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    Spend a few days hiking around L.A. You'll meet those elusive individuals.

    Up where you are, the Chinese are too polite to get much involved, and the Indians just want to get rich. Not so the Mexicans in SoCal. Unlike white people, they take the reconquista seriously.

    The whites no longer have the numbers to matter anyway. Years ago, they started getting stoned, stopped having children, lost their towns, and fled to Oregon and Washington and Arizona and Atlanta.

    And the Jews don't much care -- they made California, and they'll go on owning most of the real estate downtown no matter who's running the place, especially if it's the Mexicans.
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  118. Dr X says: • Website

    I can’t wait until the orange psychopath is gone from office.

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  119. @Authenticjazman
    Okay as an atheist who pulled the lever for DT, I have a question for yourself as a believing Christian , a question which I have posed innumerable times to God-believers over the last fifty years and for which I have to this day not recieved a viable answer, okay here it is, and please read it very carefully :
    The Hitler puzzle :
    So if God, as according to you God-believing folks "knows" the future, and If God created everything and everybody including Hitler, this means then that God also "Knew" that Hitler , in the future, would be directly and indirectly responsible murders of ca sixty million humans.
    But according to you Christian God-believers God also allowed for the exercise of " free-will" meaning then that he "Allowed" Hitler to exercise his "Free-will" through the accomplishment of the murders of sixty million human beings.
    Now of course he, God, could have avoided this carnage by simply not creating Hitler in the first place and thusly nullifying his, Hitler's "Free-will", however God apparently considered Hitler's free-will to have priority over the survival of his, Hitler's" sixty million victims, and he , God, therefore went ahead and created him, Hitler, anyway, fully knowing, seeing as God "Knows" the future, fully knowing what was going to occur, which could have been avoided, had God chosen to not create Hitler.
    So the situation is/was : If God would have not created Hitler, his victims, of which God had, knowing the future according to your teachings, full knowledge, these people would have not become the ultimate victims of AH.
    Or to put it in simple terms : God, knowing the future, knew that Hitler was going to murder sixty million people, and he went ahead and created him anyway, so as not violate Hitler's exercise of free-will.
    So just what is your own take on this issue?

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

    LOL Jazzman, you got more replies than you bargained for.

    Some are very interesting too, and I will offer another, which I am not sure will satisfy you, but here goes.

    You are right about “free will”, everything hangs on that. Most deep thinking atheists that I have discussed these issues with reject free will. More on that later.

    For the purposes of your argument let’s accept free will exists and God allowed Hitler to exercise his and therefore God bears some guilt for the holocaust. It is a pretty strong argument it is true. Augustine’s argument against it is pretty strong too.

    I would fill the argument out a bit by pointing out in Christian theology God is completely good, and has free will himself, and giving us free will was an act of goodness, a gift from God, a kind of emulation of his powers in us.

    Unlike God though, who is completely good, we have the capacity for evil, we can use our free will to do evil .

    Because God is only capable of doing good, even by giving us the capacity to exercise our free will and do evil there must be perfect judgement of all actions by God. This is the crux or the matter. Free will means ultimate justice.

    In other words God is not only totally good, but must also be totally just. Justice must reign if we have free will and there is a God. Every man will pay his dues for his sins in this life or after death, as Jesus says everyone will pay to the “last penny”.

    You, me and Hitler.

    Now lets look at Hitler, an exceptionally evil man to be sure, but is the guilt totally his. Did he act alone: the ideas about Nationalism, Eugenics, Racial based mysticism, Anti semitism were also shared by large numbers of people all over the world, not just in Germany. The horrors and atrocities of war were committed by both sides, didn’t many western countries refuse to help the Jews.

    My point is Hitler was a curse, and his sins were in large part our own sins, we, our society brought forth Hitler and we reaped the whirlwind of our own sins in the form of Hitler who became the scourge which nearly destroyed us all.

    Why should God interfere, we bring all this ourselves with our own actions, and ultimately we will all pay not just Hitler.

    For Christians no doubt watching porn is evil, and the woman in the porn movie is engaged in evil also. But who is most evil Jazzman, the woman and man who might have been told by intellectuals and feminists that porn is simply another way of living no better or worse than other ways. What about the director, or the cameraman, or the money man financing it. How about the politicians who allow laws which encourage the production of porn. My bet is the actress and man watching are not as guilty in the grand scheme of things than the others. Not simple questions.

    Why should God intervene particularly when people have the chance to repent and reject evil and move towards God and save their soul and find goodness and life. A very important point for whenever there is evil there is also the chance for the prodigal son to find his way home to the father and all heaven rejoices as it says in the gospels. Goodness comes out of evil. Great goodness often comes from evil times.

    Now I will take up the “free will” issue in regard to atheism I mentioned earlier.

    I think there is good reason to suspect that a universe with free will but no universal moral code provided by God would quickly degenerate into the most incredible evil and horror. Many of the deeper thinking atheists I think understand this and attempt to deny free will altogether. I think that is why materialism has such appeal to atheists, the moral questions around free will make their heads explode, they prefer to edit it from the story.

    Take this example I will give you:

    A secret policeman in the former Soviet Union is ordered to take a family, parents and children and have them shipped to a prison camp where some or all are bound to suffer and die.

    He knows that they are innocent of any crime.

    He also knows if he refuses to do what he is being ordered to do the result could be terrible for himself.

    The policeman is an atheist.

    What is the moral thing for him to do?

    I hope you have read all this Jazzman.

    I am no theologian so I am sure plenty will disagree with me, but you asked me for my thoughts on the Hitler problem and unfortunately the answer needed to be a little lengthy.

    Thanks Pat the Rat

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    A secret policeman in the former Soviet Union
     
    Such a russophobic blabber! Where do you get this nonsense? Telling it is no less mortal sin (false testifying, hate), than producing porno series.

    For such story-tellers we have a Soviet joke:
    For anniversary of 100 years since Lenin's birthday the Party summons informal contest of anecdotes about grandpa Lenin. Three awards are offered: 3rd place - 3 years in prison, 2nd place - 10 years living in 'Lenin's places' (of his exile in Siberia), 1 st place - winner meets the hero of the day.

    , @Steel T Post
    The crux of the matter:

    Isaiah 45:7 I ... create evil ... I the LORD do all these things.
     
    Theodicy solved. (But you won't like it.)
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  120. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Pat the Rat
    LOL Jazzman, you got more replies than you bargained for.

    Some are very interesting too, and I will offer another, which I am not sure will satisfy you, but here goes.

    You are right about "free will", everything hangs on that. Most deep thinking atheists that I have discussed these issues with reject free will. More on that later.

    For the purposes of your argument let's accept free will exists and God allowed Hitler to exercise his and therefore God bears some guilt for the holocaust. It is a pretty strong argument it is true. Augustine's argument against it is pretty strong too.

    I would fill the argument out a bit by pointing out in Christian theology God is completely good, and has free will himself, and giving us free will was an act of goodness, a gift from God, a kind of emulation of his powers in us.

    Unlike God though, who is completely good, we have the capacity for evil, we can use our free will to do evil .

    Because God is only capable of doing good, even by giving us the capacity to exercise our free will and do evil there must be perfect judgement of all actions by God. This is the crux or the matter. Free will means ultimate justice.

    In other words God is not only totally good, but must also be totally just. Justice must reign if we have free will and there is a God. Every man will pay his dues for his sins in this life or after death, as Jesus says everyone will pay to the "last penny".

    You, me and Hitler.

    Now lets look at Hitler, an exceptionally evil man to be sure, but is the guilt totally his. Did he act alone: the ideas about Nationalism, Eugenics, Racial based mysticism, Anti semitism were also shared by large numbers of people all over the world, not just in Germany. The horrors and atrocities of war were committed by both sides, didn't many western countries refuse to help the Jews.

    My point is Hitler was a curse, and his sins were in large part our own sins, we, our society brought forth Hitler and we reaped the whirlwind of our own sins in the form of Hitler who became the scourge which nearly destroyed us all.

    Why should God interfere, we bring all this ourselves with our own actions, and ultimately we will all pay not just Hitler.

    For Christians no doubt watching porn is evil, and the woman in the porn movie is engaged in evil also. But who is most evil Jazzman, the woman and man who might have been told by intellectuals and feminists that porn is simply another way of living no better or worse than other ways. What about the director, or the cameraman, or the money man financing it. How about the politicians who allow laws which encourage the production of porn. My bet is the actress and man watching are not as guilty in the grand scheme of things than the others. Not simple questions.

    Why should God intervene particularly when people have the chance to repent and reject evil and move towards God and save their soul and find goodness and life. A very important point for whenever there is evil there is also the chance for the prodigal son to find his way home to the father and all heaven rejoices as it says in the gospels. Goodness comes out of evil. Great goodness often comes from evil times.

    Now I will take up the "free will" issue in regard to atheism I mentioned earlier.

    I think there is good reason to suspect that a universe with free will but no universal moral code provided by God would quickly degenerate into the most incredible evil and horror. Many of the deeper thinking atheists I think understand this and attempt to deny free will altogether. I think that is why materialism has such appeal to atheists, the moral questions around free will make their heads explode, they prefer to edit it from the story.

    Take this example I will give you:

    A secret policeman in the former Soviet Union is ordered to take a family, parents and children and have them shipped to a prison camp where some or all are bound to suffer and die.

    He knows that they are innocent of any crime.

    He also knows if he refuses to do what he is being ordered to do the result could be terrible for himself.

    The policeman is an atheist.

    What is the moral thing for him to do?

    I hope you have read all this Jazzman.

    I am no theologian so I am sure plenty will disagree with me, but you asked me for my thoughts on the Hitler problem and unfortunately the answer needed to be a little lengthy.

    Thanks Pat the Rat

    A secret policeman in the former Soviet Union

    Such a russophobic blabber! Where do you get this nonsense? Telling it is no less mortal sin (false testifying, hate), than producing porno series.

    For such story-tellers we have a Soviet joke:
    For anniversary of 100 years since Lenin’s birthday the Party summons informal contest of anecdotes about grandpa Lenin. Three awards are offered: 3rd place – 3 years in prison, 2nd place – 10 years living in ‘Lenin’s places’ (of his exile in Siberia), 1 st place – winner meets the hero of the day.

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  121. @Drapetomaniac
    Isn't it time for mankind to grow up and end the destructive con game called government?

    At the very least, end the forced enslavement to it.

    Wither away the state? I’ve heard that before.

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    That would be fine but like the slaves that wanted to be on the plantation, one should be able to choose their favorite form of government servitude, or none whatsoever.
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  122. Madmen says:
    @Harold100
    Good points all. Two comments.
    Trump certainly knew the day of 911 that it was phony. Just listen to his radio interview on that day. He went on and on about touring the twin towers with his structural engineer and how strong those buildings were. The twin towers were fantastically over designed because finite element analysis by digital computer hadn't been invented yet. Also, by the time you make a quarter mile high structure able to withstand 140 mph winds, it's going to be impervious to anything else.
    Secondly, it's easily demonstrated that part of the deep state backs Trump. Erik Prince, CEO of Blackwater, gave interviews to Infowars, a NYC local TV station and others on Nov 4 which essentially blackmailed FBI director Comey into reopening the Hillary investigation. He claimed NYPD would call a press conference exposing the sex crimes revealed in the Weiner laptop if the FBI didn't investigate. Black water is by definition an important cog in the deep state. Of course, all those generals backing Trump show evidence of military backing also, and the military must be an important part of the deep state.
    So my operating hypothesis is there is a civil war among the deep state. Even better, perhaps the military has rebelled against the ongoing destruction of America by the moronic invade-the-world-invite-the-world policy.
    Trump represents so much lighter a parasitic load on the American people that we should all support him, if necessary in the streets with guns. Do you think Soros' pussy-hatters can match that?
    But I wouldn't look to Trump to investigate 911. That is the nuclear option. Even fat lazy Americans might find murder of 3000 innocent Americans by the deep state too much to put up with. That would ruin the party for The faction Trump fronts as well.

    This schism within the deep state is detailed in another article here:

    http://www.unz.com/article/political-sciences-theory-of-everything-on-the-2016-us-election/

    The author calls it a fight between the deep state’s military faction who support Trump against Hilary’s political and corporate factions.

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  123. @Pat the Rat
    LOL Jazzman, you got more replies than you bargained for.

    Some are very interesting too, and I will offer another, which I am not sure will satisfy you, but here goes.

    You are right about "free will", everything hangs on that. Most deep thinking atheists that I have discussed these issues with reject free will. More on that later.

    For the purposes of your argument let's accept free will exists and God allowed Hitler to exercise his and therefore God bears some guilt for the holocaust. It is a pretty strong argument it is true. Augustine's argument against it is pretty strong too.

    I would fill the argument out a bit by pointing out in Christian theology God is completely good, and has free will himself, and giving us free will was an act of goodness, a gift from God, a kind of emulation of his powers in us.

    Unlike God though, who is completely good, we have the capacity for evil, we can use our free will to do evil .

    Because God is only capable of doing good, even by giving us the capacity to exercise our free will and do evil there must be perfect judgement of all actions by God. This is the crux or the matter. Free will means ultimate justice.

    In other words God is not only totally good, but must also be totally just. Justice must reign if we have free will and there is a God. Every man will pay his dues for his sins in this life or after death, as Jesus says everyone will pay to the "last penny".

    You, me and Hitler.

    Now lets look at Hitler, an exceptionally evil man to be sure, but is the guilt totally his. Did he act alone: the ideas about Nationalism, Eugenics, Racial based mysticism, Anti semitism were also shared by large numbers of people all over the world, not just in Germany. The horrors and atrocities of war were committed by both sides, didn't many western countries refuse to help the Jews.

    My point is Hitler was a curse, and his sins were in large part our own sins, we, our society brought forth Hitler and we reaped the whirlwind of our own sins in the form of Hitler who became the scourge which nearly destroyed us all.

    Why should God interfere, we bring all this ourselves with our own actions, and ultimately we will all pay not just Hitler.

    For Christians no doubt watching porn is evil, and the woman in the porn movie is engaged in evil also. But who is most evil Jazzman, the woman and man who might have been told by intellectuals and feminists that porn is simply another way of living no better or worse than other ways. What about the director, or the cameraman, or the money man financing it. How about the politicians who allow laws which encourage the production of porn. My bet is the actress and man watching are not as guilty in the grand scheme of things than the others. Not simple questions.

    Why should God intervene particularly when people have the chance to repent and reject evil and move towards God and save their soul and find goodness and life. A very important point for whenever there is evil there is also the chance for the prodigal son to find his way home to the father and all heaven rejoices as it says in the gospels. Goodness comes out of evil. Great goodness often comes from evil times.

    Now I will take up the "free will" issue in regard to atheism I mentioned earlier.

    I think there is good reason to suspect that a universe with free will but no universal moral code provided by God would quickly degenerate into the most incredible evil and horror. Many of the deeper thinking atheists I think understand this and attempt to deny free will altogether. I think that is why materialism has such appeal to atheists, the moral questions around free will make their heads explode, they prefer to edit it from the story.

    Take this example I will give you:

    A secret policeman in the former Soviet Union is ordered to take a family, parents and children and have them shipped to a prison camp where some or all are bound to suffer and die.

    He knows that they are innocent of any crime.

    He also knows if he refuses to do what he is being ordered to do the result could be terrible for himself.

    The policeman is an atheist.

    What is the moral thing for him to do?

    I hope you have read all this Jazzman.

    I am no theologian so I am sure plenty will disagree with me, but you asked me for my thoughts on the Hitler problem and unfortunately the answer needed to be a little lengthy.

    Thanks Pat the Rat

    The crux of the matter:

    Isaiah 45:7 I … create evil … I the LORD do all these things.

    Theodicy solved. (But you won’t like it.)

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  124. whatever his stance, he was elected and is president. If his views do not jive with yours then you have to remember people elected him and think his ideas have merit. Let him sink or swim but don’t jeopardize either with this stupid anti-majority verbal diarrhea. If you try to undermine you could throw this whole thing in an opposite direction. If you try to physically stop him it is treason or it is civil war. See what happens and vote against him in 4 years. I don’t think he will have a problem doing 8 because you people are helping.

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  125. Sam J. says:
    @Harold100
    Good points all. Two comments.
    Trump certainly knew the day of 911 that it was phony. Just listen to his radio interview on that day. He went on and on about touring the twin towers with his structural engineer and how strong those buildings were. The twin towers were fantastically over designed because finite element analysis by digital computer hadn't been invented yet. Also, by the time you make a quarter mile high structure able to withstand 140 mph winds, it's going to be impervious to anything else.
    Secondly, it's easily demonstrated that part of the deep state backs Trump. Erik Prince, CEO of Blackwater, gave interviews to Infowars, a NYC local TV station and others on Nov 4 which essentially blackmailed FBI director Comey into reopening the Hillary investigation. He claimed NYPD would call a press conference exposing the sex crimes revealed in the Weiner laptop if the FBI didn't investigate. Black water is by definition an important cog in the deep state. Of course, all those generals backing Trump show evidence of military backing also, and the military must be an important part of the deep state.
    So my operating hypothesis is there is a civil war among the deep state. Even better, perhaps the military has rebelled against the ongoing destruction of America by the moronic invade-the-world-invite-the-world policy.
    Trump represents so much lighter a parasitic load on the American people that we should all support him, if necessary in the streets with guns. Do you think Soros' pussy-hatters can match that?
    But I wouldn't look to Trump to investigate 911. That is the nuclear option. Even fat lazy Americans might find murder of 3000 innocent Americans by the deep state too much to put up with. That would ruin the party for The faction Trump fronts as well.

    “…Erik Prince, CEO of Blackwater…”

    Erik Prince used to own Blackwater. He was forced out by the bankers.

    Your point is taken that he he’s lots of deep State people and also knows lots of patriotic people in the military that are sick of the destruction of our country. Even if some of the deep State hates the citizens of the US the military is losing power as we don’t have the technical capability to independently make many of the technologies needed to win wars. At some point we will be unable to get them back.

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  126. this is waaaay over the top :) even for wild predictions.

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  127. @Cloak And Dagger
    @Harold100

    my operating hypothesis is there is a civil war among the deep state
     
    There is some evidence to support that hypothesis. The military seems to be outraged by the spooks, and some friction is evident at the top levels. A popular theory is that Trump won on the shoulders of the military and the payback is the prevalence of so many generals in his cabinet, with perhaps more to come.

    Let’s face it, the stupid wars that the spooks are instigating wouldn’t make the grade after even the most cursory reading of The Art of War but the military are not only paying the cost of these mistakes, they aren’t even looking good doing it. Quite the reverse. Most are good people and deserve better.

    Each side knows that the stakes are very high, so who will strike first? Trump is under attack from every angle softly speaking. He will have to step carefully. With the media all against him and twitter so limited in many ways, he’ll want to open a conduit for communication to all and his knowledge of media is good.

    The truth of 9/11 coming out would be seismic. The military and police men and women need to get their heads around that and that would be a turning point. If it all just goes away it might be the worst scenario. I hope for the best.

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  128. Sam J. says:
    @survey-of-disinfo

    better question (and article)…Why? Why is this happening?

    Answer. China and russia are both outside western deep state control. Can’t afford to lose the US as well, even for one presidential term.

     

    Sorry, but what nonsense.

    China has spent 40 years now getting firmly integrated into the globalist order.

    Russia continues to be a two faced geopolitical actor.

    Better answer:

    The Hegemon stands in the way of agreed upon globalist order and was slated to be taken off the pedastal since at least 1999. But how do you take down the sole superpower?

    Step 1: Coup in superpower - 911.
    Step 2: Bleed superpower - wars to date.
    Step 3: Tarnish reputation of superpower - see step 2.
    Step 4: Demoralize & destabilize superpower - today.
    Step 5: US (self) isolated, banksters call in the Trillion dollar debt. Bye bye sole superpower.
    Step 6: Globalists stop creating murder and mayham and usher in the Peace of the New Order. -- projected tomorrow.

    Trump.

    possibility 1: Front man for genuine revolt of US military (911 counter-coup) as last ditch effort to save what can be saved.

    possibility 2: Distraction man for hard ball bargaining of US establishment & families left out while keeping the deplorables happy for now. Note presence of family member Ivanka in meetings with Japanese delegates (with pictures kindly provided by the Japanese).

    possibility 3: Distraction man for Zionists not happy with agreed upon gloabalist order requiring a muzzled zionist entity, thus over turning the chess board and saying: let's start over.

    possibility 4: Designated patsy for pre-planned melt-down of US of A.

    survey-of-disinfo has the options nailed except I don’t agree that it’s 100% that Russia and China are under deep State control. Maybe the ones running things think they are but both of these countries may have other ideas.

    If Trump wants he has the deep State by the balls. If he wants they’re fucked. We will see if Trump is a deep State actor or not at the max within one years time. The reason is building #7. If Trump does nothing within a year then he’s a criminal and you should expect bad things to happen.

    You don’t need to be an Architect or Engineer to determine with 100% reliability that on 9-11 the buildings were demoed.

    I’m going to strip out all the bullshit and prove that building #7 was demoed in some manner. All the 9-11 talk by the lying “Spoofers” is just a distraction. It’s 100% that building #7 was demoed and could not have been brought down by fire because of the basic physics of the fall. You don’t need to rely on anyone to know the truth. Look with your own eyes. Basic high school physics. Undisputable. Building #7 fell the same speed as a rock dropped beside it in free air for roughly 108 feet. This means the building had no resistance to falling except air. Impossible without explosives.

    All materials fall the same speed in a gravity field disregarding air friction which I don’t thing we need to worry about for a building falling. So the speed of our imaginary rock falling next to the building is just gravity related. The speed of the buildings falling, the exact same as the rock, is just gravity also. This means that there was NOTHING to slow the fall of the building. The density of the material under the imaginary rock falling was air. The building fell the same therefore the density of the material under the building was also air. We know this is not true. Building #7 was not hovering in the air. The lower portions of the building were demoed out from under it.

    It’s makes NO difference how big the fires were. The buildings density never reached the same value as air! The fires did not boil away the building structure where it was light as air! All the talk about damage, fires, this, that, all bullshit because the building fell with all four corners almost level the same speed as a rock in AIR. If a building falls as fast as a rock and the rock is falling through JUST AIR then the building is falling through JUST AIR also. Simple equivalence. 1=1, 2=2, big rock falling in air=small rock falling in air=building falling in air. One problem is people sometimes believe that a really heavy thing will fall faster than a lighter thing. Not true. Look at this video of the Apollo astronaut dropping a feather and a hammer on the Moon. They land at the same time.

    This is one of the best videos I’ve seen on the building #1 and #2. It’s by a Mechanical Engineer. It’s very interesting by itself even if you don’t believe in any conspiracy, it’s shows the towers, how they’re designed and there’s no hold your breath type speculation stuff.

    We know the Jews are responsible because they own all the media and they can see that it was a false flag just as easily as I can and take every opportunity to deny it.

    There’s a large possibility that Trump is working for the Jews. He will blame 9-11 solely on Bush and the Saudis and leave the Jews out of it. He will also attack the Clintons and put them in jail. Notice this clears up all the 9-11 problems and destroys any and all power centers not based on them at one fell swoop.

    One last thing. The buildings 1 and 2 were designed for much higher loads. Even if the section that was hit by the plane was melted completely away the bottom of the building was designed to hold up the weight of the top. So all this talk about the high weight of the top means nothing as they were designed to take a much higher weight. The outside columns were designed to carry 2000% of the load due to wind forces which were higher than just holding up the building.

    If Trump is a real patriot and not some actor then all he has to do is round up lots of special forces to protect him. Go on the TV live and tell everyone in the US the exact same thing I just did and fire all the top 10% of every security, law enforcement and military personal. Not that there’s no corruption on the bottom but it’s the top that is most rotten. This would vastly reign in their power and give him room to maneuver. Many of the 10% could rightly complain they had nothing to do with 9-11 but you can easily make the case that they didn’t do anything to help after it happened and it’s obvious to many that the whole thing is a setup and the buildings were demoed. The needs of the US outweigh the needs of the top 10% of people laid off. It’s not like they would starve. Pensions would be honored. After that a long detailed old fashioned investigation would catch a large part of the perpetrators.

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    " Trump wants he has the Deep State by the balls."

    Sam J,

    Too bad you were absent during the 1,024 comment-avalanche that resulted from Philip Giraldi's Unz Review article, below. The thing that most disturbs me is the fact that President Trump knows the truth about the 9-11 official government & Corporate Media lies, and he has the duped American people by the balls.

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/911-truth/

    At any rate, thank you for providing the top notch Gordon Ross video-talk which I have not seen.

    At first I confused the name Gordon Ross with Gordon Duff of Veterans Today.

    During my stint of adding many comments to P. Giraldi's "9-11 Truth," I relied upon the amazingly well researched book written by Christopher Bollyn. Turns out that after the comment avalanche, I became aware of Gordon Duff's spat with Christopher Bollyn that can be found by Google-search of Veterans Today and C. Bollyn.

    Misters G. Duff's and C. Bollyn's volatile differences on the incredible falls of the three WTC Towers seem to center upon the conspiratorial use of either nukes and nano thermite.

    I am fairly comfortable with having made my points, and I am not that energized to "reinvent the wheel."

    For me now, the most important task is offered by The Saker. He knows that President Donald Trump holds latent ability to take down the Deep State's formidable "inner-steel columns" and expose its complicity in the 9-11 attacks and its disgusting follow-up, insane, immoral, & expensive wars against "Evil."

    At present, & given President Trump's pseudo patriotic allegiance to the goals of both Sheldon Adelson and B. Netanyahu, there will not be an old fashioned "Columbo" style investigation into the High Crimes and Treason, i.e., 9-11, being committed on a regular basis against the duped American people.

    Thanks for listening, Sam J.
    , @Steel T Post
    The collapse of WTC 7 taught me one thing: all the effort and materials the demolition companies use to bring down a building within its own footprint are a complete waste of time and money. All you have to do is set a few indoor office detritus fires—not even any jet fuel necessary—wait a few hours, and then WHOOSH, down she comes at the free-fall speed of a brick. Simple as that. :)
    , @Mr. Anon
    Even the Iranians are in on the 9/11 inside job:

    Tehran High-Rise Collapses Due to Fire

    The Islamic Revolutionary government of Iran cleverly destroyed one of their own buildings to buttress the Great Satan's "official story" - i.e. the one that competent scientists and engineers actually understand, rather than the conspiracy narrative favored by dull-witted cretins.

    That's why the steel frames of skyscrapers are sprayed with thermal insulation - because fire is NOT a problem for them. The building designers are just concerned that the I-beams will catch a chill.

    You truthers are all deluded nitwits.

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  129. Old sarge says:

    President Trump first needs to take out Soros!! Either legally or with a Seal Team. Maybe even with Putins help of the loan of a Speznaz Team.

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    take out Soros
    blame it on Iranians
    two-fer
    , @bluedog
    Agreed and then added a few more who are worth billions and use it to twist the world into their own little playground,those who meet at Davos now that's the way to drain the swamp,.
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  130. […] In his column, “A Color Revolution is Underway in the United States,” The Saker explains why this is so and looks at possible ways Trump could fight back, including attempting to prosecute those who have participated in the 9/11 cover-up and opening his own news channel. The Saker writes: […]

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  131. @Cloak And Dagger
    The Saker makes an interesting proposition: use 9/11 as the lever to expose the deep state.
    That might just work if engaged expertly.

    The frustration I have had in observing the deep state's control of everything in our lives can be distilled into the fact that the neocons, Israelis, and the International bankers that comprise the deep state are so entrenched in the very fabric of this nation, with complete control of finance, media, and politics, that it seems that dislodging them would be an insurmountable task. Over the decades (centuries?) cancer has spread to the extent that there seems no way to excise it, and that has slowly turned this country into a collection of impotent cynics.

    I didn't vote for Trump. I voted against Hillary. I am not alone in this.

    But now that he is my president, a lot of my hopes for this country that I love are tied to his success in dislodging the deep state. 9/11 may well be the means of achieving that elusive goal.

    Despite all that has been written about 9/11, and the fact that the official story doesn't hold water, I can't pretend to know what actually happened on that fateful day or how it was accomplished, and beyond a deep conviction of who the perpetrators of that invasion were, I don't really know who committed this heinous crime. There is enough circumstantial evidence for me to believe that it wasn't committed by 19 cave-dwellers with box-cutters, 7 of whom turned out to be alive and well afterward.

    A crime of this magnitude and the sophistication of its execution could only have been realized by the forces of the deep state, and their hubris and impunity may well be their downfall. If Trump can expose just a handful of the executors of this attack, it could unravel everything, since the complicity of all the supporting entities, from the media, the think tanks, and the financial institutions, and their minions in Congress, would bring the entire enterprise crashing down into its own footprint at free fall speeds. He claims to know more about 9/11 than the rest of us do. If that is true, then there is cause for hope. He did just place a portrait of Jackson in the Oval Office, so perhaps he may be inspired as Jackson was to destroy the den of vipers.

    Can Trump do it without ending up pushing daisies like JFK/RFK/MLK? The odds are against it, but the possibility exists, however improbable. If he can marshall the support of the people, he may well achieve it.

    And that is why the deep state is fomenting a civil war in this country. Their survival depends on preventing the citizens of this great nation from uniting under one banner, so they fan the flames of dissension and discord because as long as we fight among ourselves, the puppet masters are safe and continue to grow.

    Deflect, distract, divide, and dominate: a tried and true strategy of our demonic overlords. Will they continue to win?

    Don’t you dare puts God-Emperor Trump’s name in the same sentence as KGB-plant traitor MLK and bleeding heart commie RFK.

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  132. Sam J. says:
    @Skeptikal
    The original quote:
    "In 1932 many many German Jews voluntarily walked away from their properties in Germany — they were not forced to, they chose to because they knew something others did not: that zionists Jews planned to “Exodus”

    Some Jews left Germany for Palestine and other destinations such as England the USA all along the line. This is a phenomenon that is occurring all the time. Some people emigrate to other countries for any number of reasons, especially when they receive good offers of professional advancement.

    To assert that these two individuals' decisions in 1932 arose from the "Exodus" planned by Zionist Jews is absurd (and how does Strauss work into this narrative?). Very few German Jews were advocates of the Zionist cause. Especially in Berlin, most were highly secularized and wanted nothing more than to assimilate more than they were already. They knew they had it better in Berlin than just about anyplace else, and *they were Germans.* Remember? Citizens of the republic. Many had fought in the World War, etc. AFTER 1933, when they started to grasp what was coming, those who tried to leave for the most part were allowed to do so only after turning over all of their assets to the Reich and cooperating in the Aryanization of their businesses---or being sent to Dachau or Sachsen-Hausen for six months, until they were ready to see the light and to turn over their assets and leave. The Reich needed money. The Reich was also paranoid and people came under suspicion for all kinds of reasons, such as being suspected of currency offenses (e.g., those who traveled back and forth between Germany and other countries). The idea that in 1932 Jews walked away and voluntarily abandoned their assets in order to get the Zionist program in Palestine going is not supported by evidence, despite the cases of a few highly educated individuals, one of whom chose to go to Palestine. On April 26, 1938, the Decree for Reporting of Jewish Property meant that all Jews with more than RM 5,000 worth of assets had to declare this to the state. Jews could leave if they turned over all their assets to the Reich. Conditions for Jews in Germany were transforming fast in the decade of the thirties. It is a mistake to assume that conditions were the same throughout the thirties. They were not.

    Actually, your Mendelssohn example doesn't seem to wash.
    http://www.berlin.de/2013/en/portraits/selected-portraits/mendelsohn-erich/:
    Erich Mendelsohn (1887–1953)

    Erich Mendelsohn was one of the most important German architects of the twentieth century. Columbus House on Potsdamer Platz (1930/32), the Schaubühne on Lehniner Platz (1928) and the Einstein Tower in Potsdam (1919/22) are among his famous designs. The Jewish architect fled Germany in 1933 and emigrated first to England, then to Palestine and eventually to the USA in 1941. After the war, Mendelsohn designed a memorial to the Jewish victims of the Nazi regime for New York; however the memorial was never realized.

    We keep hearing about the “poor” Jews in Germany. Well fuck the Jews. They destroyed Germany. The looted the country, destroyed the currency, fostered strikes in the middle of WWI, attempted to take the country over by armed force and so degraded the morality of the country children were being prostituted on the streets. The Jews should learn to not be so evil. If you’re evil and bad things keep happening to you well you deserve it. Those Jews who are not evil should attack the ones that are. If not for moralities sake, to save their own skins.

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    You are an adult and you do know that some people are evil and some people are good, and that it is the ordinary people that suffer injustice and deprivation, not the scoundrels-in-charge. Tell us, how Dick Cheney is better than the ordinary folks of any ethnic group. What about Bush the lesser, a X-tian of Methodist persuasion - is he any better than the criminal hanged in Nuremberg gaol after the WWII? This is not an apology of ziocons, but a modest reminder that the high-ficntioning psychopaths (of any ethnicity) worship money and power and that they rule by dividing. When Clinton, Bush, Cheney, and Obama got convicted of crimes against humanity, then it would be easier to turn attention to the Fifth Column that has been betraying the US interests for the benefit of a distant artificial state.
    As for "Jews destroyed Germany" you need to consult the history of Germany before the WWII, specifically the role of Jews in sciences, industries, and fine arts. As well as about their participation in the WWI on a side of their native Germany. Putting racial purity ahead of humanity could leave your children ignorant (for instance) about the important areas in math and physics
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  133. Skeptikal says:

    “We keep hearing about the “poor” Jews in Germany. ”

    I think you must have meant to “reply” to a different post. I see no mention in my post of the ‘poor Jews in Germany.”

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  134. Skeptikal says:
    @allahu akbar
    you ignore last 80 years of history.

    United states invented and founded globalism after ww2. UN, World Bank (owned/run by US), IMF, Nato, bretton woods, all designed to spread "american way" around world. ALL made up of nations dependent on US, with us at center of each one. NOt accident, not coincidence. Not done out of goodness. Done out of desire for control. Control nations for US purposes.

    Question? What purpose do these organizations serve? Who benefits? who determines "american way?" You? You ever talk to congressman in office? Congrressman ever ask YOU what he can do for YOU?

    Fact: political orgs run things, in same way clerk at store register "runs" store, but, whose benefit is store run for? OWNERS. SO, question? if president "run store" who own US store? Who hire GOVT "clerks" to run it?

    Answer; people who put up money. US nation built on money, capitalism. Not military success, not ideas, not rights, etc but earning money. Earning money is "american way." US exists to help big people earn money. UN, world bank, exists for money and to grow us economic interests. Nato/ big army exists to protect market to sell/buy from. Bretton woods, dollar standard trade advantage, etc. FOr big companies, industries. Not for you, not for "freedom", etc.

    Past problem with russi/soviet and china? not that they are dictatorships-US work with many dictatorships, murdurers, criminals, etc. Problem is, outside us system...outside money system, no dolllar dependendence, not requirement for military aid, technology, not need huge trade, etc...no leverage, except against each other. Not controled by america at all. alternate global system. Only good thing; economic backwaters at time. Not good wealth

    Today, russia.china problem different. today russia and china on same side. Today, several global systems other than US. silk road, AIIB, yuan, etc. all out of US control. All out of control of people who control US and its systems.Rich countries, combined bigger than US itself, still independent. Now, they can draw in there own "clients", set up there own systems. Take US place in world. shove us out of way

    This makes US "deep State" angry and scared. US deep state being shoved to back of line. This because china, russia dont need or care about us money and money people or money organizations, the have there own. This is why US so aggressive with china (islands) and russian(ukraine, etc). No other method of influence. US deep state losing control of globe and flailing, being replaced by chinese/russian deep state.

    US and europe are last territores us deep state will ever control, now they run risk of losing them too, losing europe to russia, and losing US to populism, racial identities, trump like people, etc. All us deep state systems set up over 80 years being threated with destruction. This explains actions of congress; much heat being put on them by Soros, Steyer, koch, slim. Some of them taking direct action (stuff at airports today).

    Fate of their world riding on next 4 years. They will do annything to stop systems from failing, and system itself (fbi, cia, nsa, media, etc) will defend itself. Trumps only ally? those outside us deep state system, common people who have no stake in it, and there support. if trump and common people can spark nationalism in us, reduce deep state created foreign focus, US deep state will lose, US common people might win, forstall war, ruinous economic conflict, etc. if trump cant, big war(economic and military), US common people will lose huge, deep state will lose but lose less, chaos.

    Roll back Citizens United.
    That would give Americans a chance to establish a genuine party with members, such as the UK Labour Party.
    The current two main parties are private fiefdoms run by a few billionaires. The so-called “membership” has no say in anything.

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  135. @Sam J.
    survey-of-disinfo has the options nailed except I don't agree that it's 100% that Russia and China are under deep State control. Maybe the ones running things think they are but both of these countries may have other ideas.

    If Trump wants he has the deep State by the balls. If he wants they're fucked. We will see if Trump is a deep State actor or not at the max within one years time. The reason is building #7. If Trump does nothing within a year then he's a criminal and you should expect bad things to happen.

    You don't need to be an Architect or Engineer to determine with 100% reliability that on 9-11 the buildings were demoed.

    I'm going to strip out all the bullshit and prove that building #7 was demoed in some manner. All the 9-11 talk by the lying "Spoofers" is just a distraction. It's 100% that building #7 was demoed and could not have been brought down by fire because of the basic physics of the fall. You don't need to rely on anyone to know the truth. Look with your own eyes. Basic high school physics. Undisputable. Building #7 fell the same speed as a rock dropped beside it in free air for roughly 108 feet. This means the building had no resistance to falling except air. Impossible without explosives.

    All materials fall the same speed in a gravity field disregarding air friction which I don't thing we need to worry about for a building falling. So the speed of our imaginary rock falling next to the building is just gravity related. The speed of the buildings falling, the exact same as the rock, is just gravity also. This means that there was NOTHING to slow the fall of the building. The density of the material under the imaginary rock falling was air. The building fell the same therefore the density of the material under the building was also air. We know this is not true. Building #7 was not hovering in the air. The lower portions of the building were demoed out from under it.

    It's makes NO difference how big the fires were. The buildings density never reached the same value as air! The fires did not boil away the building structure where it was light as air! All the talk about damage, fires, this, that, all bullshit because the building fell with all four corners almost level the same speed as a rock in AIR. If a building falls as fast as a rock and the rock is falling through JUST AIR then the building is falling through JUST AIR also. Simple equivalence. 1=1, 2=2, big rock falling in air=small rock falling in air=building falling in air. One problem is people sometimes believe that a really heavy thing will fall faster than a lighter thing. Not true. Look at this video of the Apollo astronaut dropping a feather and a hammer on the Moon. They land at the same time.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C5_dOEyAfk

    This is one of the best videos I've seen on the building #1 and #2. It's by a Mechanical Engineer. It's very interesting by itself even if you don't believe in any conspiracy, it's shows the towers, how they're designed and there's no hold your breath type speculation stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABuCO5ifeIE

    We know the Jews are responsible because they own all the media and they can see that it was a false flag just as easily as I can and take every opportunity to deny it.

    There's a large possibility that Trump is working for the Jews. He will blame 9-11 solely on Bush and the Saudis and leave the Jews out of it. He will also attack the Clintons and put them in jail. Notice this clears up all the 9-11 problems and destroys any and all power centers not based on them at one fell swoop.

    One last thing. The buildings 1 and 2 were designed for much higher loads. Even if the section that was hit by the plane was melted completely away the bottom of the building was designed to hold up the weight of the top. So all this talk about the high weight of the top means nothing as they were designed to take a much higher weight. The outside columns were designed to carry 2000% of the load due to wind forces which were higher than just holding up the building.

    If Trump is a real patriot and not some actor then all he has to do is round up lots of special forces to protect him. Go on the TV live and tell everyone in the US the exact same thing I just did and fire all the top 10% of every security, law enforcement and military personal. Not that there's no corruption on the bottom but it's the top that is most rotten. This would vastly reign in their power and give him room to maneuver. Many of the 10% could rightly complain they had nothing to do with 9-11 but you can easily make the case that they didn't do anything to help after it happened and it's obvious to many that the whole thing is a setup and the buildings were demoed. The needs of the US outweigh the needs of the top 10% of people laid off. It's not like they would starve. Pensions would be honored. After that a long detailed old fashioned investigation would catch a large part of the perpetrators.

    ” Trump wants he has the Deep State by the balls.”

    Sam J,

    Too bad you were absent during the 1,024 comment-avalanche that resulted from Philip Giraldi’s Unz Review article, below. The thing that most disturbs me is the fact that President Trump knows the truth about the 9-11 official government & Corporate Media lies, and he has the duped American people by the balls.

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/911-truth/

    At any rate, thank you for providing the top notch Gordon Ross video-talk which I have not seen.

    At first I confused the name Gordon Ross with Gordon Duff of Veterans Today.

    During my stint of adding many comments to P. Giraldi’s “9-11 Truth,” I relied upon the amazingly well researched book written by Christopher Bollyn. Turns out that after the comment avalanche, I became aware of Gordon Duff’s spat with Christopher Bollyn that can be found by Google-search of Veterans Today and C. Bollyn.

    Misters G. Duff’s and C. Bollyn’s volatile differences on the incredible falls of the three WTC Towers seem to center upon the conspiratorial use of either nukes and nano thermite.

    I am fairly comfortable with having made my points, and I am not that energized to “reinvent the wheel.”

    For me now, the most important task is offered by The Saker. He knows that President Donald Trump holds latent ability to take down the Deep State’s formidable “inner-steel columns” and expose its complicity in the 9-11 attacks and its disgusting follow-up, insane, immoral, & expensive wars against “Evil.”

    At present, & given President Trump’s pseudo patriotic allegiance to the goals of both Sheldon Adelson and B. Netanyahu, there will not be an old fashioned “Columbo” style investigation into the High Crimes and Treason, i.e., 9-11, being committed on a regular basis against the duped American people.

    Thanks for listening, Sam J.

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  136. Alright, I know this is a lengthy article, and you had a lot of business to attend to, but the Russian joke at the beginning — that really was a funny joke — in fact, I stopped for a moment right there to appreciate it. And I’m glad I did because in the very next sentence you took that gem, just born anew to the readership world, and crushed it like an egg in a vice clamp. You could’ve let it live a little longer, that’s all I’m sayin’. Gave it a little play. Eg “I’m surprised the Ukrainians don’t have a similar comedic routine,” or “Many, if not most, people in many, if not most countries in the world get that joke, having seen it play out in their, or a friend’s, or neighbor’s own country. Sadly, many Americans do not perceive the 3-d reality of that little quip — instead, I’m quite certain, they often crystallize the image in place and flatten it, they accuse, try, and convict it of flatness and sentence it to flatness and frankly are so uninformed of their country’s role in the world they believe their instantly formed and magically conjured verdict labelling any implication of US involvement in foreign revolutionary movements slander, and they refuse to appreciate the comedy our Russian partners have to offer. I’m afraid today that there are enough brain-dead PC worshipping unemployed loan-livin’ idealistc hero-status-seeking special snowflakes in the country to make such a color revolution a reality in the US today…” Etc. See that? You never even had to directly contradict the joke. Such a nice joke!

    Okay, looking forward to reading the article :) Cheers

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  137. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Dube
    The classic philosophical "problem of evil." You don't need "Hitler" to demonstrate the problem; you might ask, why did God create the world and thereby allow anyone here to do .... [fill in your own blank]. One answer that is commonly offered in justification, though not always understood and accepted: God personally takes the penalty.

    I am a Gumpist. Shit happens. That’s why.

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    The true measure of a man is what he does with himself once he understands that life is meaningles
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  138. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Old sarge
    President Trump first needs to take out Soros!! Either legally or with a Seal Team. Maybe even with Putins help of the loan of a Speznaz Team.

    take out Soros
    blame it on Iranians
    two-fer

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    Tell me again why it is that the Iranians are such awful people to warrant that? Thanks.
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  139. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @The Scalpel
    I am a Gumpist. Shit happens. That's why.

    The true measure of a man is what he does with himself once he understands that life is meaningles

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    You might be interested to know, the NAKBA TOUR (a Nakba survivor and a born-in-a-refugee-camp Nakba descendant) will be coming to Charlotte in April.

    http://us15.campaign-archive2.com/?u=3942aea43bae78d96000eb098&id=208f1b9c87&e=1c5298685e
    2017 North America Nakba Tour

    "Khawla and Amena have a different message from other Palestinians. They are not living under Israeli occupation. Israel does not allow them to visit their homes, much less live there. As exiles, they have a different perspective from Palestinians in Jerusalem, the West Bank, Gaza and the part of Palestine that became Israel."
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  140. David says:
    @European-American
    > What are they talking about?! The fact that Obama is still the President?!

    The date of the video is Jan. 18. Obama was still president for 2 days.

    E.A. is definitely correct. The error really ought to have been corrected.

    We expect WaPo and NYT to retract mistakes, right?

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  141. bluedog says:
    @Old sarge
    President Trump first needs to take out Soros!! Either legally or with a Seal Team. Maybe even with Putins help of the loan of a Speznaz Team.

    Agreed and then added a few more who are worth billions and use it to twist the world into their own little playground,those who meet at Davos now that’s the way to drain the swamp,.

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  142. Rurik says:
    @HdC
    Thanks for your reply.

    I am certainly not a deep religious thinker; I merely attempt to reconcile my observations with religious convictions.

    As to your question, I believe it is our soul, given to us by God, that makes it possible for us humans to tell the difference between right and wrong. The ability to do so requires a Free Will. HdC

    OK, HdC

    don’t want to belabor it on this thread

    thanks for your reply

    cheers

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  143. annamaria says:
    @joe webb
    fair remark. The geography is more or less correct and the argument is from a friend who gets into the micro-genetics quite a lot. He reads the books, and I do not. He mentioned what I think I made clear...it is his contribution, not mine.

    What I am driving at is: the Saker is suspicious like most Slavs, etc. They over-do it says my friend. I dunno. But the Russians here are known to be not like us in many respects. A Russian friend of mine who I had subjected to the often heard, not mine, charge that Russians are crooks, said, "yes, we are pirates." For what it is worth.

    75 years of communism I guess either aggravated the above genetic claim, or expressed it or both.

    The notion that western Europeans moved around a lot...high viscous gene traveling over the centuries while the Slavs were low viscous...slow in moving around and gene exchanges. This somehow led to more ethnic chauvinism or suspicion of strangers, etc.

    The Saker is, to use popular lingo, pretty paranoid. The Anglo-Zionist Conspiracy is gonna getcha. However, as I perhaps cryptically remarked, the Saker compensates by lovin' All God's Chillun, especially Darkies. He regards White Nationalists as racist scum, never mind nazis.

    While I seem to Think that the general level of hysteria now is pretty high, higher than I can recall at any time ... after coming of age around 1960, ...well... the Internet is a factor, as well as the economic malaise that so many folks experience. And...

    The Societal Refusal to deal with Race as the living room elephant is getting to be a very tender nerve. Most folks who got any brains have so much normal experiential info about darkies in general that after a certain age, it becomes an open psychic sore....lord...how could this be??? I know I am supposed to Believe, etc. and they become hair-trigger on it, ready to explode. 50 years of Failure....my God, how could you do this to us? Cognitive dissonance is the old cliche, but now it is Emotional Dissonance. I luv the Blacks...but I hate them really, I am afraid of them, etc.

    This emotional tarpit agonizes the individual liberal. That is the signal emotional issue of our time and Trump, while formally luving the Negroes and greasers, is properly perceived as about to ... take off the gloves.

    Next time the ghettoes chimp out with looting , etc, the guns comes out, our guns, cop guns.

    This ups the emotional ante for the liberals....Emotional Contradictions with no possible 'synthesis'

    So the Race Lies are coming home to roost. That is what is going on here. Immigration is all Race.
    The Lies are roosting on our White Money Trees, that we have built over centuries, and are dragging us down. Whites have had it. That is the Truth, except liberals of course, who secretly hate the negroes too, but.

    So yes, the thing is getting a bit weird, but it is not deep state, it is deep brain....white altruism bashing its head on Blackness.

    joe Webb

    “The Saker is, to use popular lingo, pretty paranoid. The Anglo-Zionist Conspiracy is gonna getcha.”
    May I ask about your relationships with the City of London and Wall Street? …. What about Atlantic Council and AEI?… Have not you noticed some whiff of paranoia in your mental state?

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  144. annamaria says:
    @attonn
    I think the whole of the West is done. The liberal cancer already got into the bones, and not a single part of the body is unaffected. This will have to be resolved in some really horrible way...

    “The liberal cancer….” – the NEOLIBERAL cancer

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  145. @Sam J.
    survey-of-disinfo has the options nailed except I don't agree that it's 100% that Russia and China are under deep State control. Maybe the ones running things think they are but both of these countries may have other ideas.

    If Trump wants he has the deep State by the balls. If he wants they're fucked. We will see if Trump is a deep State actor or not at the max within one years time. The reason is building #7. If Trump does nothing within a year then he's a criminal and you should expect bad things to happen.

    You don't need to be an Architect or Engineer to determine with 100% reliability that on 9-11 the buildings were demoed.

    I'm going to strip out all the bullshit and prove that building #7 was demoed in some manner. All the 9-11 talk by the lying "Spoofers" is just a distraction. It's 100% that building #7 was demoed and could not have been brought down by fire because of the basic physics of the fall. You don't need to rely on anyone to know the truth. Look with your own eyes. Basic high school physics. Undisputable. Building #7 fell the same speed as a rock dropped beside it in free air for roughly 108 feet. This means the building had no resistance to falling except air. Impossible without explosives.

    All materials fall the same speed in a gravity field disregarding air friction which I don't thing we need to worry about for a building falling. So the speed of our imaginary rock falling next to the building is just gravity related. The speed of the buildings falling, the exact same as the rock, is just gravity also. This means that there was NOTHING to slow the fall of the building. The density of the material under the imaginary rock falling was air. The building fell the same therefore the density of the material under the building was also air. We know this is not true. Building #7 was not hovering in the air. The lower portions of the building were demoed out from under it.

    It's makes NO difference how big the fires were. The buildings density never reached the same value as air! The fires did not boil away the building structure where it was light as air! All the talk about damage, fires, this, that, all bullshit because the building fell with all four corners almost level the same speed as a rock in AIR. If a building falls as fast as a rock and the rock is falling through JUST AIR then the building is falling through JUST AIR also. Simple equivalence. 1=1, 2=2, big rock falling in air=small rock falling in air=building falling in air. One problem is people sometimes believe that a really heavy thing will fall faster than a lighter thing. Not true. Look at this video of the Apollo astronaut dropping a feather and a hammer on the Moon. They land at the same time.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C5_dOEyAfk

    This is one of the best videos I've seen on the building #1 and #2. It's by a Mechanical Engineer. It's very interesting by itself even if you don't believe in any conspiracy, it's shows the towers, how they're designed and there's no hold your breath type speculation stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABuCO5ifeIE

    We know the Jews are responsible because they own all the media and they can see that it was a false flag just as easily as I can and take every opportunity to deny it.

    There's a large possibility that Trump is working for the Jews. He will blame 9-11 solely on Bush and the Saudis and leave the Jews out of it. He will also attack the Clintons and put them in jail. Notice this clears up all the 9-11 problems and destroys any and all power centers not based on them at one fell swoop.

    One last thing. The buildings 1 and 2 were designed for much higher loads. Even if the section that was hit by the plane was melted completely away the bottom of the building was designed to hold up the weight of the top. So all this talk about the high weight of the top means nothing as they were designed to take a much higher weight. The outside columns were designed to carry 2000% of the load due to wind forces which were higher than just holding up the building.

    If Trump is a real patriot and not some actor then all he has to do is round up lots of special forces to protect him. Go on the TV live and tell everyone in the US the exact same thing I just did and fire all the top 10% of every security, law enforcement and military personal. Not that there's no corruption on the bottom but it's the top that is most rotten. This would vastly reign in their power and give him room to maneuver. Many of the 10% could rightly complain they had nothing to do with 9-11 but you can easily make the case that they didn't do anything to help after it happened and it's obvious to many that the whole thing is a setup and the buildings were demoed. The needs of the US outweigh the needs of the top 10% of people laid off. It's not like they would starve. Pensions would be honored. After that a long detailed old fashioned investigation would catch a large part of the perpetrators.

    The collapse of WTC 7 taught me one thing: all the effort and materials the demolition companies use to bring down a building within its own footprint are a complete waste of time and money. All you have to do is set a few indoor office detritus fires—not even any jet fuel necessary—wait a few hours, and then WHOOSH, down she comes at the free-fall speed of a brick. Simple as that. :)

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  146. annamaria says:
    @Sam J.
    We keep hearing about the "poor" Jews in Germany. Well fuck the Jews. They destroyed Germany. The looted the country, destroyed the currency, fostered strikes in the middle of WWI, attempted to take the country over by armed force and so degraded the morality of the country children were being prostituted on the streets. The Jews should learn to not be so evil. If you're evil and bad things keep happening to you well you deserve it. Those Jews who are not evil should attack the ones that are. If not for moralities sake, to save their own skins.

    You are an adult and you do know that some people are evil and some people are good, and that it is the ordinary people that suffer injustice and deprivation, not the scoundrels-in-charge. Tell us, how Dick Cheney is better than the ordinary folks of any ethnic group. What about Bush the lesser, a X-tian of Methodist persuasion – is he any better than the criminal hanged in Nuremberg gaol after the WWII? This is not an apology of ziocons, but a modest reminder that the high-ficntioning psychopaths (of any ethnicity) worship money and power and that they rule by dividing. When Clinton, Bush, Cheney, and Obama got convicted of crimes against humanity, then it would be easier to turn attention to the Fifth Column that has been betraying the US interests for the benefit of a distant artificial state.
    As for “Jews destroyed Germany” you need to consult the history of Germany before the WWII, specifically the role of Jews in sciences, industries, and fine arts. As well as about their participation in the WWI on a side of their native Germany. Putting racial purity ahead of humanity could leave your children ignorant (for instance) about the important areas in math and physics

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    As for “Jews destroyed Germany” you need to consult the history of Germany before the WWII, specifically the role of Jews in sciences, industries, and fine arts.
    As well as about their participation in the WWI on a side of their native Germany. Putting racial purity ahead of humanity could leave your children ignorant (for instance) about the important areas in math and physics
     
    If Jews are such hotshots why were they incapable of soaring achievements in science, industry & fine arts on their own steam in Russia & Germany, but instead succeeded only to the extent pre-existing German (and other) institutions trained them, and the vast, long-developed German infrastructure enabled and supported them?

    If Jews are such hotshots, why are they incapable of soaring achievements in science, industry & fine arts on their own steam in Israel, but instead spy on anybody and everybody; demand collaborative arrangements whereby Israelis share in so many US research efforts; take over US & other academic institutions that were created by the sweat of the brow of Americans, many of them of Christian denominations, for the furtherance of their own achievements in science, industry & fine arts? It seems they're only smart enough to boast about how smart they are, but not to achieve by their own efforts what non-Jews have created by their own efforts.

    You may think you are enunciating a slam dunk argument in defense of Jews, but the opposite is the case; the existence and observed behavior of Israel is living evidence of the Jewish proclivity to rely on -- even to demand --that a larger, already developed state or institution or political system support it and even finance it.

    Jews did destroy Germany, and they did so deliberately, after taking advantage of the many opportunities the German people created.
    , @Sam J.
    "...you need to consult the history of Germany before the WWII, specifically the role of Jews in sciences, industries, and fine arts...".

    Oh I guess, from a Jewish perspective, the Germans had no "sciences, industries, and fine arts..." before they got there.

    Just another example why we need segregation from the Jews. Many are literally unable to comprehend our complaints. We're not interested in subjugating you, we merely want you away from us. Move to Israel and you can all sit around and tell each other how wonderful you all are. You illusions to Cheney and Bush don't really equate as we don't have the problem of praising evil pieces of garbage like the Jews. Maybe next you will delight us with poetry to the Cheka.
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  147. RobinG says:
    @The Scalpel
    The true measure of a man is what he does with himself once he understands that life is meaningles

    You might be interested to know, the NAKBA TOUR (a Nakba survivor and a born-in-a-refugee-camp Nakba descendant) will be coming to Charlotte in April.

    http://us15.campaign-archive2.com/?u=3942aea43bae78d96000eb098&id=208f1b9c87&e=1c5298685e

    2017 North America Nakba Tour

    “Khawla and Amena have a different message from other Palestinians. They are not living under Israeli occupation. Israel does not allow them to visit their homes, much less live there. As exiles, they have a different perspective from Palestinians in Jerusalem, the West Bank, Gaza and the part of Palestine that became Israel.”

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  148. Bill says:
    @Miro23

    But for the most part, Americans are apathetic and will not put forth the effort to change things if it requires sacrifice. Look at how America rolled over when JFK was assassinated.
     
    They are apathetic , for example they know that 100.000's of Iraqi civilians were killed "by mistake" (no WMD ) but they feel no remorse or desire to make amends.

    The evidence of the fraud of 9/11 is plain for any interested person to see with a minimum of research (starting with Building 7) but they're not bothered.

    Conclusion that they've stopped being "citizens" in any real sense and have become that that Neoliberal creation, the "consumer" - just a working-consuming economic drone.

    So, in my opinion, nothing will happen until they lose their money which is the real wake up point. At least this is how it worked in Weimar Germany. When the middle class was wiped out in the 1923 hyperinflation, and also faced a Bolshevik insurgency, the whole country was radicalized, becoming self defined outlaw (it was still Germany after all) - See Von Salomon's book "The Outlaws" https://www.amazon.com/Outlaws-Ernst-Von-Salomon/dp/1907166491/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485721345&sr=8-1&keywords=the+outlaws%2C+von+salomon

    Spot on. We live in Weimerica.

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  149. Bill says:
    @Authenticjazzman
    Look you are not getting my point, which is: We can exchange the name Hitler with anyone from Stalin to Gacy to Bundy to the guy who crashed a plane with 150 passengers, to untold numbers of mass murderers and the question remains :

    If God knows the future and he then also knows that certain individuals which he creates are going to be mass murderers, then why does he not simply refrain from creating these specific individuals, or is then the "Free will of these murderous types more important than the survival of their victims.

    I myself am an atheist to the bone , however for this one question I have yet to receive a logical answer.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

    then why does he not simply refrain from creating these specific individuals,

    Consonance sounds better as a resolution to dissonance than consonance sounds on its own, for example. Suffering isn’t bad, for example. God is up to things you don’t understand, for example. It’s a dumb question, really. Asking why we don’t understand every jot and tittle of what an infinite being is up to is just stupid. Naturally, we would not.

    The free will defense to the theodicy “problem” is retarded, though, I agree with that.

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    " God is up to things you don't understand"

    BS . You God-believers, whenever you don't have a viable answer to one of the innumerable contradictions within your "Faith", you then simply convert it into one of God's "mysteries" which we stupid humans are incapable of comprehending.

    There are no mysteries in reality and this is nothing more than a cheap cop-out and a denial of human-kind's own intelligence.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.
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  150. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @annamaria
    You are an adult and you do know that some people are evil and some people are good, and that it is the ordinary people that suffer injustice and deprivation, not the scoundrels-in-charge. Tell us, how Dick Cheney is better than the ordinary folks of any ethnic group. What about Bush the lesser, a X-tian of Methodist persuasion - is he any better than the criminal hanged in Nuremberg gaol after the WWII? This is not an apology of ziocons, but a modest reminder that the high-ficntioning psychopaths (of any ethnicity) worship money and power and that they rule by dividing. When Clinton, Bush, Cheney, and Obama got convicted of crimes against humanity, then it would be easier to turn attention to the Fifth Column that has been betraying the US interests for the benefit of a distant artificial state.
    As for "Jews destroyed Germany" you need to consult the history of Germany before the WWII, specifically the role of Jews in sciences, industries, and fine arts. As well as about their participation in the WWI on a side of their native Germany. Putting racial purity ahead of humanity could leave your children ignorant (for instance) about the important areas in math and physics

    As for “Jews destroyed Germany” you need to consult the history of Germany before the WWII, specifically the role of Jews in sciences, industries, and fine arts.
    As well as about their participation in the WWI on a side of their native Germany. Putting racial purity ahead of humanity could leave your children ignorant (for instance) about the important areas in math and physics

    If Jews are such hotshots why were they incapable of soaring achievements in science, industry & fine arts on their own steam in Russia & Germany, but instead succeeded only to the extent pre-existing German (and other) institutions trained them, and the vast, long-developed German infrastructure enabled and supported them?

    If Jews are such hotshots, why are they incapable of soaring achievements in science, industry & fine arts on their own steam in Israel, but instead spy on anybody and everybody; demand collaborative arrangements whereby Israelis share in so many US research efforts; take over US & other academic institutions that were created by the sweat of the brow of Americans, many of them of Christian denominations, for the furtherance of their own achievements in science, industry & fine arts? It seems they’re only smart enough to boast about how smart they are, but not to achieve by their own efforts what non-Jews have created by their own efforts.

    You may think you are enunciating a slam dunk argument in defense of Jews, but the opposite is the case; the existence and observed behavior of Israel is living evidence of the Jewish proclivity to rely on — even to demand –that a larger, already developed state or institution or political system support it and even finance it.

    Jews did destroy Germany, and they did so deliberately, after taking advantage of the many opportunities the German people created.

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    And that, dear people, is why everything Jews/Zionist touch turns to dust. HdC
    , @Sam J.
    Exactly. All the thousands of years of great Jewish "civilization" and all they have to show for it is one wall that they likely didn't build either.

    All the thousands of years of great Jewish "culture" and their claim to fame is they've been thrown out of every single country that they've been to in a any large numbers. Quite a record. Thrown out of every one.
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  151. @annamaria
    The "progressives" want to be forever youthful and "rebellious" -- but in a safe way. You know, traveling in Europe and the US ( by business class preferably) with the fiery speeches on how Trump is a bad, very bad misogynist and racist, while carefully "forgetting" the seven Obama-maintained wars agains the brown people of the Middle East, the fantastically warm relationships between the US (and Clintons in particular) and the despotic states of Saudis and Qatari, and the eight (8!) years of Obama's smart fight against the universal healthcare and for insurance/Pharma corporations in the US. The colored emperor used to choose personally what people should be droned (extrajudicially) among the brown people far away from the US. The collateral damage of hospitals, schools, weddings, and funerals was not of Obama concern. At least the very bad Soviets had built a university in Afghanistan, which produced the first cohort of Afghani women professionals.
    And the US "progressives?" - their next big passion after trashing the deplorables' choice is to write a soulful stuff on psychedelics and ayahuasca. You know, on how to get a nirvana with zero efforts. Infantilism at its best.

    Thank you for your reply. You’re spot-on, of course.

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  152. @Jessy S
    Completely agree. Much of this is sophomoric in nature and President Trump will put a stop to that in short order. In addition, everybody is advised that the President can declare Martial Law at any time, and it is most likely Donald Trump that will declare it.

    Thanks for reply. You raise an interesting & worrying point.
    Naturally, President Trump could react as you suggest.
    However, I believe, that (assuming there is no significant escalation) a response such as martial law would be unwise.
    It would give the protesters a kind of legitimacy which, as yet, they do not deserve.
    It would be just another (very big) stick with which Trump’s enemies could hit him.
    I sincerely hope that martial law does not become necessary.

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  153. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Miro23

    But for the most part, Americans are apathetic and will not put forth the effort to change things if it requires sacrifice. Look at how America rolled over when JFK was assassinated.
     
    They are apathetic , for example they know that 100.000's of Iraqi civilians were killed "by mistake" (no WMD ) but they feel no remorse or desire to make amends.

    The evidence of the fraud of 9/11 is plain for any interested person to see with a minimum of research (starting with Building 7) but they're not bothered.

    Conclusion that they've stopped being "citizens" in any real sense and have become that that Neoliberal creation, the "consumer" - just a working-consuming economic drone.

    So, in my opinion, nothing will happen until they lose their money which is the real wake up point. At least this is how it worked in Weimar Germany. When the middle class was wiped out in the 1923 hyperinflation, and also faced a Bolshevik insurgency, the whole country was radicalized, becoming self defined outlaw (it was still Germany after all) - See Von Salomon's book "The Outlaws" https://www.amazon.com/Outlaws-Ernst-Von-Salomon/dp/1907166491/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485721345&sr=8-1&keywords=the+outlaws%2C+von+salomon

    “The word was weather-worn yet enticing, potent but unsubstantial, idealized in the subconsciousness but unspoken. The word was “Germany.”

    Where was Germany? In Weimar, in Berlin? Once it had been at the front, but the front had crumbled. Then it was supposed to be at home, but home had failed them. Was it where the German people were? But they were screaming for food and thinking of their stomachs. Was it the State? But the State was fussing about its constitutional form. Germany survived in venturesome minds. Germany was there where swords were unsheathed for her; she was there where armed bands were threatening her existence; she shone resplendent where those who were informed by her spirit wagered all they possessed for her sake. Germany was at her frontiers.” -The Outlaws by Ernst Von Salomon

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    A Freikorps member, implicated in the murder of Walther Rathenau.
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  154. Erebus says:
    @Cloak And Dagger
    @NoseytheDuke


    Pizzagate, with Jeffrey Epstein in particular, might be an easier way to unlock the box of secrets
     
    You may be right in that Epstein holds the key to how non-zio politicians are blackmailed into supporting Israel's causes in Congress, with his hidden cameras on his island and on the Lolita Express. However, It is not obvious to me if that is any easier than ripping the covers off of 9/11. Epstein got off with a slap on the wrist and the Dershbag is completely off the hook, despite the lawsuit from early last year by Jane Doe #3. Even Prince Andrew was caught in that snare, but look where they are now, and Jane Doe #3 still does not have justice.

    The magic lever is out there somewhere, but it is not clear to me how it will be found and who will solve the biggest crime mystery of our time and bring peace to its many victims, here and across the globe.

    It is not obvious to me if that is any easier than ripping the covers off of 9/11.

    I’m with Nosey on this. In the end, most of the 1920′s mob went to jail, not for murder, extortion, drug/booze running, etc, but for tax evasion. Why? It’s simpler to investigate, and simpler to prosecute.
    My feeling is that 9/11 is too complex, with far too many moving parts, and was almost certainly so compartmentalized that a thorough investigation would take years to get through to the deeply hidden propagators. Also, the American public would be hard pressed to believe they’d been so completely duped to accept the initiation, never mind the results of an investigation. IOW, it would require a total re-write of the population’s civic narrative; a requirement that, to my recollection has never been been met in history. The political will, and the political power to execute such an investigation is a very high bar.

    OTOH, should an investigation into the sexual abuse of children bring enough evidence to the surface, it would raise the public’s visceral revulsion to a level that the demands for the round up and prosecution of the entire ring would overwhelm any attempt to block it. A single photograph may be enough to blow the lid off, and then the public’s demand to decant all of the steaming muck in the pot would take over.

    As Prince suggested: (paraphrased) “Release Weiner’s collection of 650,000 emails, and let the public decide”. If they really do contain evidence of what he called “great evil”, the instant outrage would result in investigating authorities being hard-pressed to keep the lynch mobs at bay. The corollary to a successful Pizzagate investigation is the possibility that the public’s distaste for the “elites”, and their appetite for truth may be sufficiently whetted to demand the draining of the 9/11 swamp as well.

    Win-win, for America; lose-lose for the denizens of the swamp. What’s not to like?

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    Exactly, thank you. My last comment on the Pizzagate thread noted that commenters such as RodW and Corporal Clegg only began commenting at Unz for that one article alone but then posted many, many times over a short period often using clear disinfo tactics like distraction, ridicule, emotional language, irrational arguments and ad hominem attacks. Neither one of those two (and I'll bet many more - any info an that score Ron?) bothered to comment on any other article.

    Considering the number of interesting articles here at Unz and the commenting patterns of the vast majority of "reasonable" commenters, that is very, very strange and I smelled a rodent, or two. This is potentially a massive chink in the armour of the oppressors and should be probed ruthlessly, at the very least for the sake of children and at the very most for the salvation of the nation itself.
    , @Cloak And Dagger
    @Erebus

    You make good points and the comparison with Al Capone is apropos. I would welcome the exposure of all the film footages that the FBI might have confiscated while investigating Epstein.
    That could definitely unleash a tornado.
    , @Sam J.
    "...My feeling is that 9/11 is too complex..."

    No this is not true. Building 7 fell the same speed for roughly 108 feet as if it was held up by air...that's right air. There's nothing complicated about that at all. This is not rocket science it's high school physics.

    I have no doubt there's lots more video evidence that's not released.

    True we might not get everyone but in this case those responsible could be tried in a military court and executed as a terrorist act. They passed all these terrorist acts to repress the average American but we can use them on them.
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  155. @Harold100
    Good points all. Two comments.
    Trump certainly knew the day of 911 that it was phony. Just listen to his radio interview on that day. He went on and on about touring the twin towers with his structural engineer and how strong those buildings were. The twin towers were fantastically over designed because finite element analysis by digital computer hadn't been invented yet. Also, by the time you make a quarter mile high structure able to withstand 140 mph winds, it's going to be impervious to anything else.
    Secondly, it's easily demonstrated that part of the deep state backs Trump. Erik Prince, CEO of Blackwater, gave interviews to Infowars, a NYC local TV station and others on Nov 4 which essentially blackmailed FBI director Comey into reopening the Hillary investigation. He claimed NYPD would call a press conference exposing the sex crimes revealed in the Weiner laptop if the FBI didn't investigate. Black water is by definition an important cog in the deep state. Of course, all those generals backing Trump show evidence of military backing also, and the military must be an important part of the deep state.
    So my operating hypothesis is there is a civil war among the deep state. Even better, perhaps the military has rebelled against the ongoing destruction of America by the moronic invade-the-world-invite-the-world policy.
    Trump represents so much lighter a parasitic load on the American people that we should all support him, if necessary in the streets with guns. Do you think Soros' pussy-hatters can match that?
    But I wouldn't look to Trump to investigate 911. That is the nuclear option. Even fat lazy Americans might find murder of 3000 innocent Americans by the deep state too much to put up with. That would ruin the party for The faction Trump fronts as well.

    And you know who Erik Prince’s sister is , right?

    General Mattis, more than any other post-Vietnam military figure, commands the loyalty of the junior officers and enlisted men if the USMC. If he said “it’s go time”, that is all that many combat-arms Marines would require.

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    "And you know who Erik Prince’s sister is , right?"
    I do now. Thanks.
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  156. @Longfisher
    Ummm, generally speaking, I enjoy reading the Saker. And, mostly I find his remarks and opinions well-founded. Finally, I appreciate his point of view as it's so very different from most others, including what might be described as the American counter-deep state opinion writers.

    But this article, is troublesome to me.

    I tend to agree that Mr. Trump best avoid grassy knolls and open convertible roofs. And, I tend to agree that the intelligence agencies are, have been and will well into the future be the greatest actual and proximal threat to the nation.

    But some of Saker's forecasting and recommendations in this article seem, well, over the top, nonsensical and outlandish. A TV channel, indeed?

    Come back to earth Saker. Make sense again.

    LF

    Expect to see the Brietbart News Network on cable within a year.

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  157. […] book Orlando False Flag, is a Trump supporter – and he is worried. In his article “A ‘Color Revolution’ Is Under Way in the United States” The Saker […]

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  158. @Steel T Post
    Wither away the state? I've heard that before.

    That would be fine but like the slaves that wanted to be on the plantation, one should be able to choose their favorite form of government servitude, or none whatsoever.

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    You do have a choice: move to Somalia. And your choice will be free, because I'll pay for your one way ticket on the condition that you don't come back and belly-ache about all that supposedly wonderful "Anarchy Advantage" in a gloriously "Stateless" society that you find there.

    • Stateless in Somalia, and Loving It (Mises Daily, 2006) mises.org/daily/2066
    • The Anarchy Advantage in Somalia (Reason, 2006) reason.com/blog/2006/12/27/the-anarchy-advantage-in-somal
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  159. @anon
    take out Soros
    blame it on Iranians
    two-fer

    Tell me again why it is that the Iranians are such awful people to warrant that? Thanks.

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    U.S. tech without Iranian immigrants: No eBay, Oracle, Google, DropBox, Tinder
    ADAM GHAHRAMANI@ADAMAGB JANUARY 30, 2017 8:51 AM
    http://venturebeat.com/2017/01/30/u-s-tech-without-iranian-immigrants-no-ebay-oracle-google-dropbox-tinder/
    Iranians in tech
    . . .

    Trump’s new order threatens to cripple immigration from seven countries: Iran, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Sudan, and Somalia. So far, no one’s done a good job of expressing the tech and business costs of what it means to lose the best and brightest from those countries. Instead, we get limp statistics, images of strangers suffering, and vague lamentations like “we’re losing our values” or “this will make it harder to hire programmers from abroad.”

    Since I’m an Iranian-American and know the community’s accomplishments well, I’d like to paint a brief picture of what the U.S. tech landscape would look like had Iran been stonewalled over the last few decades. This should give you an idea of what’s at stake (the people below were either born in Iran or had Iranian parents).

    * eBay, if it existed at all, would be a French company (Pierre Omidyar, founder)

    * Your searches might be on Yahoo instead of Google, since Google would have lost its business founder (Omid Kordestani)

    * If Google did survive, its acquisition of YouTube might have wrecked the platform without a key employee’s stewardship (Salar Kamangar, former YouTube CEO and Google employee #7)

    * You’d be storing your files locally instead of on DropBox. Other cloud storage services inspired by DropBox wouldn’t exist. (Arash Ferdowsi, cofounder and CTO)

    * Twitter would be in deep trouble, because it would lose its Executive Chairman (also Kordestani) and its COO (Ali Rowghani).

    * Oracle would just be a character from The Matrix, because Larry Ellison would be missing his cofounder (Bob Miner)

    . . .

    The list goes on, and Iran is just one of the seven countries Trump is targeting. But it gets worse, because even if you think turning people away from these seven countries is an acceptable loss, there’s a cascading effect.

    Immigration will fall from neighboring countries. Would a brilliant Turkish programmer accept a job in the U.S. now, knowing that their work visa could be revoked on a whim?
    . . .
    Would a wealthy Swiss angel investor want to retire in the U.S. if they disagreed adamantly with our refugee policy?
    Talented people in other countries don’t disappear if we reject them. They’ll shrug and move on to the burgeoning tech scenes of Europe and Asia, where they’ll be greeted with easy funding, a low cost of living, fast Internet, vibrant communities, and exotic workspaces. Many American tech startups have even been flocking to these destinations of late. If we limit immigration, we’ll be accelerating Europe and Asia’s tech position while massively sabotaging our own.

    Adam Ghahramani is head of digital product for a creative agency in New York City. Find him at adamagb.com or make friends on Twitter (@adamagb).
     
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  160. Mr. Anon says:
    @Sam J.
    survey-of-disinfo has the options nailed except I don't agree that it's 100% that Russia and China are under deep State control. Maybe the ones running things think they are but both of these countries may have other ideas.

    If Trump wants he has the deep State by the balls. If he wants they're fucked. We will see if Trump is a deep State actor or not at the max within one years time. The reason is building #7. If Trump does nothing within a year then he's a criminal and you should expect bad things to happen.

    You don't need to be an Architect or Engineer to determine with 100% reliability that on 9-11 the buildings were demoed.

    I'm going to strip out all the bullshit and prove that building #7 was demoed in some manner. All the 9-11 talk by the lying "Spoofers" is just a distraction. It's 100% that building #7 was demoed and could not have been brought down by fire because of the basic physics of the fall. You don't need to rely on anyone to know the truth. Look with your own eyes. Basic high school physics. Undisputable. Building #7 fell the same speed as a rock dropped beside it in free air for roughly 108 feet. This means the building had no resistance to falling except air. Impossible without explosives.

    All materials fall the same speed in a gravity field disregarding air friction which I don't thing we need to worry about for a building falling. So the speed of our imaginary rock falling next to the building is just gravity related. The speed of the buildings falling, the exact same as the rock, is just gravity also. This means that there was NOTHING to slow the fall of the building. The density of the material under the imaginary rock falling was air. The building fell the same therefore the density of the material under the building was also air. We know this is not true. Building #7 was not hovering in the air. The lower portions of the building were demoed out from under it.

    It's makes NO difference how big the fires were. The buildings density never reached the same value as air! The fires did not boil away the building structure where it was light as air! All the talk about damage, fires, this, that, all bullshit because the building fell with all four corners almost level the same speed as a rock in AIR. If a building falls as fast as a rock and the rock is falling through JUST AIR then the building is falling through JUST AIR also. Simple equivalence. 1=1, 2=2, big rock falling in air=small rock falling in air=building falling in air. One problem is people sometimes believe that a really heavy thing will fall faster than a lighter thing. Not true. Look at this video of the Apollo astronaut dropping a feather and a hammer on the Moon. They land at the same time.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C5_dOEyAfk

    This is one of the best videos I've seen on the building #1 and #2. It's by a Mechanical Engineer. It's very interesting by itself even if you don't believe in any conspiracy, it's shows the towers, how they're designed and there's no hold your breath type speculation stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABuCO5ifeIE

    We know the Jews are responsible because they own all the media and they can see that it was a false flag just as easily as I can and take every opportunity to deny it.

    There's a large possibility that Trump is working for the Jews. He will blame 9-11 solely on Bush and the Saudis and leave the Jews out of it. He will also attack the Clintons and put them in jail. Notice this clears up all the 9-11 problems and destroys any and all power centers not based on them at one fell swoop.

    One last thing. The buildings 1 and 2 were designed for much higher loads. Even if the section that was hit by the plane was melted completely away the bottom of the building was designed to hold up the weight of the top. So all this talk about the high weight of the top means nothing as they were designed to take a much higher weight. The outside columns were designed to carry 2000% of the load due to wind forces which were higher than just holding up the building.

    If Trump is a real patriot and not some actor then all he has to do is round up lots of special forces to protect him. Go on the TV live and tell everyone in the US the exact same thing I just did and fire all the top 10% of every security, law enforcement and military personal. Not that there's no corruption on the bottom but it's the top that is most rotten. This would vastly reign in their power and give him room to maneuver. Many of the 10% could rightly complain they had nothing to do with 9-11 but you can easily make the case that they didn't do anything to help after it happened and it's obvious to many that the whole thing is a setup and the buildings were demoed. The needs of the US outweigh the needs of the top 10% of people laid off. It's not like they would starve. Pensions would be honored. After that a long detailed old fashioned investigation would catch a large part of the perpetrators.

    Even the Iranians are in on the 9/11 inside job:

    Tehran High-Rise Collapses Due to Fire

    The Islamic Revolutionary government of Iran cleverly destroyed one of their own buildings to buttress the Great Satan’s “official story” – i.e. the one that competent scientists and engineers actually understand, rather than the conspiracy narrative favored by dull-witted cretins.

    That’s why the steel frames of skyscrapers are sprayed with thermal insulation – because fire is NOT a problem for them. The building designers are just concerned that the I-beams will catch a chill.

    You truthers are all deluded nitwits.

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    The only cretin is YOU.

    A whole new life was breathed into the banking/ military contractor juggernaut post 9/11; a pre-requisite noted in the PNAC report, but it's audacity lost on your myopic pea- brain.
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  161. @Erebus

    It is not obvious to me if that is any easier than ripping the covers off of 9/11.
     
    I'm with Nosey on this. In the end, most of the 1920's mob went to jail, not for murder, extortion, drug/booze running, etc, but for tax evasion. Why? It's simpler to investigate, and simpler to prosecute.
    My feeling is that 9/11 is too complex, with far too many moving parts, and was almost certainly so compartmentalized that a thorough investigation would take years to get through to the deeply hidden propagators. Also, the American public would be hard pressed to believe they'd been so completely duped to accept the initiation, never mind the results of an investigation. IOW, it would require a total re-write of the population's civic narrative; a requirement that, to my recollection has never been been met in history. The political will, and the political power to execute such an investigation is a very high bar.

    OTOH, should an investigation into the sexual abuse of children bring enough evidence to the surface, it would raise the public's visceral revulsion to a level that the demands for the round up and prosecution of the entire ring would overwhelm any attempt to block it. A single photograph may be enough to blow the lid off, and then the public's demand to decant all of the steaming muck in the pot would take over.

    As Prince suggested: (paraphrased) "Release Weiner's collection of 650,000 emails, and let the public decide". If they really do contain evidence of what he called "great evil", the instant outrage would result in investigating authorities being hard-pressed to keep the lynch mobs at bay. The corollary to a successful Pizzagate investigation is the possibility that the public's distaste for the "elites", and their appetite for truth may be sufficiently whetted to demand the draining of the 9/11 swamp as well.

    Win-win, for America; lose-lose for the denizens of the swamp. What's not to like?

    Exactly, thank you. My last comment on the Pizzagate thread noted that commenters such as RodW and Corporal Clegg only began commenting at Unz for that one article alone but then posted many, many times over a short period often using clear disinfo tactics like distraction, ridicule, emotional language, irrational arguments and ad hominem attacks. Neither one of those two (and I’ll bet many more – any info an that score Ron?) bothered to comment on any other article.

    Considering the number of interesting articles here at Unz and the commenting patterns of the vast majority of “reasonable” commenters, that is very, very strange and I smelled a rodent, or two. This is potentially a massive chink in the armour of the oppressors and should be probed ruthlessly, at the very least for the sake of children and at the very most for the salvation of the nation itself.

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    That seems right to me.
    Namely, aim to open a small window, not the plate glass slider.
    Isn't this the classic modus operandi in, say, drug investigations?
    Namely, get a small bird to chirp and name a bigger bird, and on up the line, offering immunity at each step of the way, to get ever closer to identifying and trapping the big vultures? I am sure there is a lot more hard info out there in the form of emails/documents/videos than we have seen. But the danger of revealing such secrets must always be kept in clear view. People who "sing" need to be supplied with cover identities or new identities, etc.

    I agree also re RoyB or whatever his handle was and Captain Clegg.
    Their behavior just seemed to mirror the classic troll rhetoric and tricks listed at WhoWhatWhy.

    I have also read recently of the intersect between the MENA wars and pedophile rings and sex slavery in the Gulf States. So young Iraqi and Syrian boys and girls are sold to these Saudi and Qatari creeps. We know their sexual "mores" are . . . totally bent, what with genital mutilation for girls so no normal sexual relations and the widespread practice of keeping young male sex slaves, as was clearly shown in a documentary on this practice---Bachi Baza---among warlords and others in Afghanistan. See
    http://www.care2.com/causes/help-the-dancing-boys-of-afghanistan-escape-the-world-of-bacha-bazi.html
    Would love to see someone to ask Hillary Clinton why she does business with such perverts in order to give them "access" [sneer]. Yuck.
    , @RodW
    You still don't seem to be considering some rather obvious things Nosey. If you will keep making this absurd accusation, would you kindly expound a bit on the following?

    Why would somebody posting on a discussion thread have any effect on whether a criminal investigation is carried out or not?
    Isn't the readership of Unz.com rather small and lacking in influence? (Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but that's the impression I get.)
    Doesn't the act of engaging in discussion tend to draw attention to something rather than distract it?
    How do you suppose I, Corporal Clegg, and utu were recruited for this task of running online interference, and by whom?

    These questions may seem trivial, but they go to the heart of Ron Unz's whole Pravda concept. They matter because if one is going to indulge in conspiratorial thinking, it helps if one is at least slightly realistic about it. It's a little disturbing that someone clearly educated like yourself can hold such ridiculous theories.

    And how is your own Pizzagate investigation coming along? Brought any pedos to justice yet? It seems as though Aedon Cassiel has run out of steam...
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  162. HdC says:
    @Anon

    As for “Jews destroyed Germany” you need to consult the history of Germany before the WWII, specifically the role of Jews in sciences, industries, and fine arts.
    As well as about their participation in the WWI on a side of their native Germany. Putting racial purity ahead of humanity could leave your children ignorant (for instance) about the important areas in math and physics
     
    If Jews are such hotshots why were they incapable of soaring achievements in science, industry & fine arts on their own steam in Russia & Germany, but instead succeeded only to the extent pre-existing German (and other) institutions trained them, and the vast, long-developed German infrastructure enabled and supported them?

    If Jews are such hotshots, why are they incapable of soaring achievements in science, industry & fine arts on their own steam in Israel, but instead spy on anybody and everybody; demand collaborative arrangements whereby Israelis share in so many US research efforts; take over US & other academic institutions that were created by the sweat of the brow of Americans, many of them of Christian denominations, for the furtherance of their own achievements in science, industry & fine arts? It seems they're only smart enough to boast about how smart they are, but not to achieve by their own efforts what non-Jews have created by their own efforts.

    You may think you are enunciating a slam dunk argument in defense of Jews, but the opposite is the case; the existence and observed behavior of Israel is living evidence of the Jewish proclivity to rely on -- even to demand --that a larger, already developed state or institution or political system support it and even finance it.

    Jews did destroy Germany, and they did so deliberately, after taking advantage of the many opportunities the German people created.

    And that, dear people, is why everything Jews/Zionist touch turns to dust. HdC

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  163. Excal says:
    @Cloak And Dagger
    @Wayne Pacific

    I live and work in Silicon Valley. I have yet to come across a single individual who wants California to secede from the US. There was a movement to split California into several smaller states, but except for the supporters of the instigator for this movement, I haven't yet come across a single individual who wants even that.

    I call BS on this whole California secession story.

    Spend a few days hiking around L.A. You’ll meet those elusive individuals.

    Up where you are, the Chinese are too polite to get much involved, and the Indians just want to get rich. Not so the Mexicans in SoCal. Unlike white people, they take the reconquista seriously.

    The whites no longer have the numbers to matter anyway. Years ago, they started getting stoned, stopped having children, lost their towns, and fled to Oregon and Washington and Arizona and Atlanta.

    And the Jews don’t much care — they made California, and they’ll go on owning most of the real estate downtown no matter who’s running the place, especially if it’s the Mexicans.

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    Let's explore that for a moment, shall we?


    Up where you are, the Chinese are too polite to get much involved,

     

    Heh! You haven't met some of my Chinese friends, some of them can dish it out with the best of them. Be as it may, being polite doesn't stop them from loving being in the US rather than in a much smaller country of California. Silicon Valley is full of Chinese, as is the city of San Francisco. After reading your post, I asked one of my Chinese friends whether she would support California seceding from the union. She looked at me as if I had lost all my marbles and said: "What the f*ck for?" - it is a sample of one, but I bet she is pretty representative.


    and the Indians just want to get rich

     

    Well, who doesn't? You can count me in as well. I don't expect them to be any more supportive of secession than the next person. They are smart, respected, and well-paid and have a great life here. I don't think any of them wants to rock the gravy boat. They have a good thing going here - why would they want to jeopardize that by flirting with secession?

    Not so the Mexicans in SoCal. Unlike white people, they take the reconquista seriously.

     

    Maybe they do and maybe they don't. They don't command a lot of political influence, although they could become a significant voting block based on their numbers. I don't discount the possibility of their instigating something along those lines, but somehow I doubt it. A large number of them are illegal and loath to draw attention to themselves and risk the ire of the immigra, but I will concede that you may have a point there.

    The whites no longer have the numbers to matter anyway. Years ago, they started getting stoned, stopped having children, lost their towns, and fled to Oregon and Washington and Arizona and Atlanta.
     
    Well, this could be true for LA, I don't know, but it certainly isn't true up here. Most of us love our City by the Bay, and the electric energy emanating from Silicon Valley, and wouldn't think of moving to Oregon or WA. While we bitch and moan about our country going astray, not one of us would want to live anywhere else.


    And the Jews don’t much care — they made California, and they’ll go on owning most of the real estate downtown no matter who’s running the place, especially if it’s the Mexicans.
     
    Au contraire, mon frére! They care more than any. They control the US - why would they wish to reduce their sphere of control to just California? Oh no, world domination is where they are headed. They want "greater Israel" without borders because that would limit their capacity to annex the rest of the world. Reduce their territories? Not in a million years, unless kicked out by force!

    So, I retain my original stance of calling BS on the entire California seceding non-story.
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  164. @Erebus

    It is not obvious to me if that is any easier than ripping the covers off of 9/11.
     
    I'm with Nosey on this. In the end, most of the 1920's mob went to jail, not for murder, extortion, drug/booze running, etc, but for tax evasion. Why? It's simpler to investigate, and simpler to prosecute.
    My feeling is that 9/11 is too complex, with far too many moving parts, and was almost certainly so compartmentalized that a thorough investigation would take years to get through to the deeply hidden propagators. Also, the American public would be hard pressed to believe they'd been so completely duped to accept the initiation, never mind the results of an investigation. IOW, it would require a total re-write of the population's civic narrative; a requirement that, to my recollection has never been been met in history. The political will, and the political power to execute such an investigation is a very high bar.

    OTOH, should an investigation into the sexual abuse of children bring enough evidence to the surface, it would raise the public's visceral revulsion to a level that the demands for the round up and prosecution of the entire ring would overwhelm any attempt to block it. A single photograph may be enough to blow the lid off, and then the public's demand to decant all of the steaming muck in the pot would take over.

    As Prince suggested: (paraphrased) "Release Weiner's collection of 650,000 emails, and let the public decide". If they really do contain evidence of what he called "great evil", the instant outrage would result in investigating authorities being hard-pressed to keep the lynch mobs at bay. The corollary to a successful Pizzagate investigation is the possibility that the public's distaste for the "elites", and their appetite for truth may be sufficiently whetted to demand the draining of the 9/11 swamp as well.

    Win-win, for America; lose-lose for the denizens of the swamp. What's not to like?

    You make good points and the comparison with Al Capone is apropos. I would welcome the exposure of all the film footages that the FBI might have confiscated while investigating Epstein.
    That could definitely unleash a tornado.

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  165. @Anonymous

    "The word was weather-worn yet enticing, potent but unsubstantial, idealized in the subconsciousness but unspoken. The word was "Germany."

    Where was Germany? In Weimar, in Berlin? Once it had been at the front, but the front had crumbled. Then it was supposed to be at home, but home had failed them. Was it where the German people were? But they were screaming for food and thinking of their stomachs. Was it the State? But the State was fussing about its constitutional form. Germany survived in venturesome minds. Germany was there where swords were unsheathed for her; she was there where armed bands were threatening her existence; she shone resplendent where those who were informed by her spirit wagered all they possessed for her sake. Germany was at her frontiers." -The Outlaws by Ernst Von Salomon
     

    A Freikorps member, implicated in the murder of Walther Rathenau.

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  166. @Bill

    then why does he not simply refrain from creating these specific individuals,
     
    Consonance sounds better as a resolution to dissonance than consonance sounds on its own, for example. Suffering isn't bad, for example. God is up to things you don't understand, for example. It's a dumb question, really. Asking why we don't understand every jot and tittle of what an infinite being is up to is just stupid. Naturally, we would not.

    The free will defense to the theodicy "problem" is retarded, though, I agree with that.

    ” God is up to things you don’t understand”

    BS . You God-believers, whenever you don’t have a viable answer to one of the innumerable contradictions within your “Faith”, you then simply convert it into one of God’s “mysteries” which we stupid humans are incapable of comprehending.

    There are no mysteries in reality and this is nothing more than a cheap cop-out and a denial of human-kind’s own intelligence.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

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    No, your response is the cop out.

    There simply exists no theodicy problem. There is no logical argument leading to the conclusion that God would not permit evil or suffering or whatever-it-is that the dimwits think couldn't happen.

    It makes less sense to reject theism because God is not fully comprehensible to finite minds than it does to reject materialism because science cannot explain all phenomena.
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  167. @Drapetomaniac
    That would be fine but like the slaves that wanted to be on the plantation, one should be able to choose their favorite form of government servitude, or none whatsoever.

    You do have a choice: move to Somalia. And your choice will be free, because I’ll pay for your one way ticket on the condition that you don’t come back and belly-ache about all that supposedly wonderful “Anarchy Advantage” in a gloriously “Stateless” society that you find there.

    • Stateless in Somalia, and Loving It (Mises Daily, 2006) mises.org/daily/2066
    • The Anarchy Advantage in Somalia (Reason, 2006) reason.com/blog/2006/12/27/the-anarchy-advantage-in-somal

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    Unfortunately your warmongering fascist US government effed up Somalia really good.

    Try again, loyal humant colonist.
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  168. Harold100 says:
    @SteveRogers42
    And you know who Erik Prince's sister is , right?

    General Mattis, more than any other post-Vietnam military figure, commands the loyalty of the junior officers and enlisted men if the USMC. If he said "it's go time", that is all that many combat-arms Marines would require.

    “And you know who Erik Prince’s sister is , right?”
    I do now. Thanks.

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  169. Sam J. says:
    @annamaria
    You are an adult and you do know that some people are evil and some people are good, and that it is the ordinary people that suffer injustice and deprivation, not the scoundrels-in-charge. Tell us, how Dick Cheney is better than the ordinary folks of any ethnic group. What about Bush the lesser, a X-tian of Methodist persuasion - is he any better than the criminal hanged in Nuremberg gaol after the WWII? This is not an apology of ziocons, but a modest reminder that the high-ficntioning psychopaths (of any ethnicity) worship money and power and that they rule by dividing. When Clinton, Bush, Cheney, and Obama got convicted of crimes against humanity, then it would be easier to turn attention to the Fifth Column that has been betraying the US interests for the benefit of a distant artificial state.
    As for "Jews destroyed Germany" you need to consult the history of Germany before the WWII, specifically the role of Jews in sciences, industries, and fine arts. As well as about their participation in the WWI on a side of their native Germany. Putting racial purity ahead of humanity could leave your children ignorant (for instance) about the important areas in math and physics

    “…you need to consult the history of Germany before the WWII, specifically the role of Jews in sciences, industries, and fine arts…”.

    Oh I guess, from a Jewish perspective, the Germans had no “sciences, industries, and fine arts…” before they got there.

    Just another example why we need segregation from the Jews. Many are literally unable to comprehend our complaints. We’re not interested in subjugating you, we merely want you away from us. Move to Israel and you can all sit around and tell each other how wonderful you all are. You illusions to Cheney and Bush don’t really equate as we don’t have the problem of praising evil pieces of garbage like the Jews. Maybe next you will delight us with poetry to the Cheka.

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    "You illusions to Cheney and Bush don’t really equate..."
    You mean allusions? - Oh, they do equate. There has been an intense synergy between ziocons and the X-tian psychopaths. Could you detect a difference between Hanna Arendt and the Kagans clan, and between general Smedley D. Butler and Dick Cheney? How it could happen that the despicable Wolf Blitzer is still blowiating a belligerent nonsense on MSM, while the despicable Condi Rice is teaching at Stanford? Was not it a X-tian, Bill Clinton, who repealed the Glass-Steagall Act (on an expert advice of the vampirish Rubin)? Where is the US Congress (predominantly X-tian) when Israel is getting $15 million per/day from the US taxpayers pockets? And how come that the US brass (predominantly X-tian) have been always ready to engage, from their cozy offices, in the more and more "interventions" (slaughter) in the faraway lands? You want an answer? - Money. There is no daylight between Cheney&Bush and ziocons. Look at Samantha Powers and Hilary Clinton and try to find a difference between them and Nuland-Kagan (of Kievan neo-nazis fame). Good luck!
    , @nickels
    Two incompatible civilizations.

    Of should I say, one civilization incompatible with a bunch of drifters.
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  170. Sam J. says:
    @Anon

    As for “Jews destroyed Germany” you need to consult the history of Germany before the WWII, specifically the role of Jews in sciences, industries, and fine arts.
    As well as about their participation in the WWI on a side of their native Germany. Putting racial purity ahead of humanity could leave your children ignorant (for instance) about the important areas in math and physics
     
    If Jews are such hotshots why were they incapable of soaring achievements in science, industry & fine arts on their own steam in Russia & Germany, but instead succeeded only to the extent pre-existing German (and other) institutions trained them, and the vast, long-developed German infrastructure enabled and supported them?

    If Jews are such hotshots, why are they incapable of soaring achievements in science, industry & fine arts on their own steam in Israel, but instead spy on anybody and everybody; demand collaborative arrangements whereby Israelis share in so many US research efforts; take over US & other academic institutions that were created by the sweat of the brow of Americans, many of them of Christian denominations, for the furtherance of their own achievements in science, industry & fine arts? It seems they're only smart enough to boast about how smart they are, but not to achieve by their own efforts what non-Jews have created by their own efforts.

    You may think you are enunciating a slam dunk argument in defense of Jews, but the opposite is the case; the existence and observed behavior of Israel is living evidence of the Jewish proclivity to rely on -- even to demand --that a larger, already developed state or institution or political system support it and even finance it.

    Jews did destroy Germany, and they did so deliberately, after taking advantage of the many opportunities the German people created.

    Exactly. All the thousands of years of great Jewish “civilization” and all they have to show for it is one wall that they likely didn’t build either.

    All the thousands of years of great Jewish “culture” and their claim to fame is they’ve been thrown out of every single country that they’ve been to in a any large numbers. Quite a record. Thrown out of every one.

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  171. Sam J. says:
    @Erebus

    It is not obvious to me if that is any easier than ripping the covers off of 9/11.
     
    I'm with Nosey on this. In the end, most of the 1920's mob went to jail, not for murder, extortion, drug/booze running, etc, but for tax evasion. Why? It's simpler to investigate, and simpler to prosecute.
    My feeling is that 9/11 is too complex, with far too many moving parts, and was almost certainly so compartmentalized that a thorough investigation would take years to get through to the deeply hidden propagators. Also, the American public would be hard pressed to believe they'd been so completely duped to accept the initiation, never mind the results of an investigation. IOW, it would require a total re-write of the population's civic narrative; a requirement that, to my recollection has never been been met in history. The political will, and the political power to execute such an investigation is a very high bar.

    OTOH, should an investigation into the sexual abuse of children bring enough evidence to the surface, it would raise the public's visceral revulsion to a level that the demands for the round up and prosecution of the entire ring would overwhelm any attempt to block it. A single photograph may be enough to blow the lid off, and then the public's demand to decant all of the steaming muck in the pot would take over.

    As Prince suggested: (paraphrased) "Release Weiner's collection of 650,000 emails, and let the public decide". If they really do contain evidence of what he called "great evil", the instant outrage would result in investigating authorities being hard-pressed to keep the lynch mobs at bay. The corollary to a successful Pizzagate investigation is the possibility that the public's distaste for the "elites", and their appetite for truth may be sufficiently whetted to demand the draining of the 9/11 swamp as well.

    Win-win, for America; lose-lose for the denizens of the swamp. What's not to like?

    “…My feeling is that 9/11 is too complex…”

    No this is not true. Building 7 fell the same speed for roughly 108 feet as if it was held up by air…that’s right air. There’s nothing complicated about that at all. This is not rocket science it’s high school physics.

    I have no doubt there’s lots more video evidence that’s not released.

    True we might not get everyone but in this case those responsible could be tried in a military court and executed as a terrorist act. They passed all these terrorist acts to repress the average American but we can use them on them.

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    Oh, the physics of it is simple enough. As you say, it's high school level, but that's just the tip of the 9/11 iceberg. Between the physics of what happened/didn't happen and proving beyond reasonable doubt that those with the means, motives and opportunity were the perpetrators is a very long road. That every step along that road would be impeded by powerful forces goes without saying. Yes, it could and should be done, but I'm not sure it could be done now, or ever without a level of public demand that could not be ignored. The public has to make the political cost of ignoring 9/11 higher than the cost of investigating it. Until then, it ain't gonna happen.

    Contrast that with searching Weiner's 650k emails using sophisticated keyword and image detection software. If the evidence is in those emails, unless it's strongly encrypted it can be found in a matter of hours, if not minutes and it probably already has been. A single leak could blow the lid off.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    Whilst I agree with you personally the majority of Americans wouldn't, at this stage. The "ground" needs to be prepared first. Even many genuine Unz commenters cannot get their heads around it and though they often make sound comments on other issues they will present as fools when it comes to the collapses of the WTC buildings. Many seemingly intelligent people still argue for steel melting and gravity collapses and it baffles me how and why. Take a squint at the comments on the recent 9/11 article here at Unz for confirmation. I have personally severed long term friendships over arguments on this very topic.

    As Erebus stated, there are likely several compartments,with patsies and scapegoats built into the operation from the very genesis of the planning. Then there is plausible deniability. We are taking about treason on such a scale that there are few examples in history to equal it. A tipping point of awareness must be reached first and Pizzagate is the best key to date because it possibly would uncover the means by which many who were not actually involved have been persuaded to go along with the cover-up due to the blackmail and shame of exposure. Many would turn on the blackmailers (9/11 planners and executors) and sing, accepting being branded as "mere" pedos rather than be dealt with as pedos AND traitors.

    Pedos should be locked away whilst traitors should be hanged, publicly.

    , @TBone
    There are hours of video footage already in the public domain showing clearly that all the footage we saw of the 911 attacks were CGI. Moving buildings, plane wings passing through buildings blocks down the street, reports of WTC 7 falling 15 minutes before it fell. It's a joke. People can delude themselves into not seeing it but there is no disputing the truth. A plane that is longer than the width of the building doesn't go completely into one side without coming out the other. A plane hitting the 86th floor of a building does not cause explosions in the basement a 10 minutes before impact. A building struck on the 86th floor does not collapse at free fall speed. A paper passport does not survive INTACT while a concrete and steel building crumbles to dust. Jet fuel fires don't leave structural steel in a molten state for 2 weeks. Planes don't swap call numbers in midair over Pennsylvania. And cell phones don't work at 35000 feet. None of these facts is even open for questioning, much less too complex to answer. So what part of the 911 story is even left for anyone to believe?
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  172. annamaria says:
    @Sam J.
    "...you need to consult the history of Germany before the WWII, specifically the role of Jews in sciences, industries, and fine arts...".

    Oh I guess, from a Jewish perspective, the Germans had no "sciences, industries, and fine arts..." before they got there.

    Just another example why we need segregation from the Jews. Many are literally unable to comprehend our complaints. We're not interested in subjugating you, we merely want you away from us. Move to Israel and you can all sit around and tell each other how wonderful you all are. You illusions to Cheney and Bush don't really equate as we don't have the problem of praising evil pieces of garbage like the Jews. Maybe next you will delight us with poetry to the Cheka.

    “You illusions to Cheney and Bush don’t really equate…”
    You mean allusions? – Oh, they do equate. There has been an intense synergy between ziocons and the X-tian psychopaths. Could you detect a difference between Hanna Arendt and the Kagans clan, and between general Smedley D. Butler and Dick Cheney? How it could happen that the despicable Wolf Blitzer is still blowiating a belligerent nonsense on MSM, while the despicable Condi Rice is teaching at Stanford? Was not it a X-tian, Bill Clinton, who repealed the Glass-Steagall Act (on an expert advice of the vampirish Rubin)? Where is the US Congress (predominantly X-tian) when Israel is getting $15 million per/day from the US taxpayers pockets? And how come that the US brass (predominantly X-tian) have been always ready to engage, from their cozy offices, in the more and more “interventions” (slaughter) in the faraway lands? You want an answer? – Money. There is no daylight between Cheney&Bush and ziocons. Look at Samantha Powers and Hilary Clinton and try to find a difference between them and Nuland-Kagan (of Kievan neo-nazis fame). Good luck!

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    and between general Smedley D. Butler and Dick Cheney?
     
    please note annamarina, that Smedley Butler [RIP] repudiated the evil of contrived wars for profit. He's now a hero of the anti-war true Christians and others of good will.

    (whores like Bush and Cheney and the false "Christians" like Hagee are headed straight to hell, if there is an afterlife)

    a true Christian, (I don't believe in any organized religion) is a person who follows and honors the words and sentiments of the Christ, and whose hearts are filled with love and kindness and peace for all of mankind. I suppose there are a few of them somewhere
    , @Stonehands
    Christ maintained that the many who claimed that "they prophecy in His name, and they healed in His name",were imposters and he rebuked them- saying, "I NEVER KNEW YOU".

    You seem obssesed with this sophomoric" X-tian this"and " X-tian that"....anyone with half a brain knows that religion is used for detrimental means by degenerate men and psycho- pathic governments. Christ called them "wolves in sheep's clothing."

    Annamaria, you would be better off with a Bible in one hand, and a cook book in the other...

    "Broad is the path to destruction, and narrow is the gate to eternal life- FEW will find it."

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  173. nickels says:
    @Sam J.
    "...you need to consult the history of Germany before the WWII, specifically the role of Jews in sciences, industries, and fine arts...".

    Oh I guess, from a Jewish perspective, the Germans had no "sciences, industries, and fine arts..." before they got there.

    Just another example why we need segregation from the Jews. Many are literally unable to comprehend our complaints. We're not interested in subjugating you, we merely want you away from us. Move to Israel and you can all sit around and tell each other how wonderful you all are. You illusions to Cheney and Bush don't really equate as we don't have the problem of praising evil pieces of garbage like the Jews. Maybe next you will delight us with poetry to the Cheka.

    Two incompatible civilizations.

    Of should I say, one civilization incompatible with a bunch of drifters.

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  174. @NoseytheDuke
    Tell me again why it is that the Iranians are such awful people to warrant that? Thanks.

    U.S. tech without Iranian immigrants: No eBay, Oracle, Google, DropBox, Tinder
    ADAM GHAHRAMANI@ADAMAGB JANUARY 30, 2017 8:51 AM

    http://venturebeat.com/2017/01/30/u-s-tech-without-iranian-immigrants-no-ebay-oracle-google-dropbox-tinder/

    Iranians in tech
    . . .

    Trump’s new order threatens to cripple immigration from seven countries: Iran, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Sudan, and Somalia. So far, no one’s done a good job of expressing the tech and business costs of what it means to lose the best and brightest from those countries. Instead, we get limp statistics, images of strangers suffering, and vague lamentations like “we’re losing our values” or “this will make it harder to hire programmers from abroad.”

    Since I’m an Iranian-American and know the community’s accomplishments well, I’d like to paint a brief picture of what the U.S. tech landscape would look like had Iran been stonewalled over the last few decades. This should give you an idea of what’s at stake (the people below were either born in Iran or had Iranian parents).

    * eBay, if it existed at all, would be a French company (Pierre Omidyar, founder)

    * Your searches might be on Yahoo instead of Google, since Google would have lost its business founder (Omid Kordestani)

    * If Google did survive, its acquisition of YouTube might have wrecked the platform without a key employee’s stewardship (Salar Kamangar, former YouTube CEO and Google employee #7)

    * You’d be storing your files locally instead of on DropBox. Other cloud storage services inspired by DropBox wouldn’t exist. (Arash Ferdowsi, cofounder and CTO)

    * Twitter would be in deep trouble, because it would lose its Executive Chairman (also Kordestani) and its COO (Ali Rowghani).

    * Oracle would just be a character from The Matrix, because Larry Ellison would be missing his cofounder (Bob Miner)

    . . .

    The list goes on, and Iran is just one of the seven countries Trump is targeting. But it gets worse, because even if you think turning people away from these seven countries is an acceptable loss, there’s a cascading effect.

    Immigration will fall from neighboring countries. Would a brilliant Turkish programmer accept a job in the U.S. now, knowing that their work visa could be revoked on a whim?
    . . .
    Would a wealthy Swiss angel investor want to retire in the U.S. if they disagreed adamantly with our refugee policy?
    Talented people in other countries don’t disappear if we reject them. They’ll shrug and move on to the burgeoning tech scenes of Europe and Asia, where they’ll be greeted with easy funding, a low cost of living, fast Internet, vibrant communities, and exotic workspaces. Many American tech startups have even been flocking to these destinations of late. If we limit immigration, we’ll be accelerating Europe and Asia’s tech position while massively sabotaging our own.

    Adam Ghahramani is head of digital product for a creative agency in New York City. Find him at adamagb.com or make friends on Twitter (@adamagb).

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    @SolontoCroesus

    As I am sure you well know, Iran has never attacked us, much less anyone else in over 300 years. Their war with Iraq was instigated by us. If anything we have heaped huge amounts of pain on them since the 1950s because they had the gall to cherish their sovereignty.

    The Iranians have been, and continue to be demonized by the usual suspects. They pose no threat to us - none, nada, zilch, but they pose an impediment to Israel's annexation of Eretz Israel just as Saddam did, and Ghadafi did. So, our overlords in Israel snapped their greasy fingers, and off to war we went, with trillions of dollars of our treasure and thousands of American lives, not counting the millions of innocents sent to their graves in the Middle East, and a refugee problem that now threatens the extinction of Europe, and may land on our shores unless Trump has his way.

    The stranglehold of the media is such in this country, that a large swath of people now see the victims as the perpetrators, while the real culprits sit in the dark, gleefully rubbing their bloody hands.
    , @Cloak And Dagger
    And lest we forget, Steve Jobs was the son of Syrian immigrants.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    I hope you didn't infer that I was saying that Iranians were awful people. I was replying to the following from an "anon" idiot and asking anon to detail why Iranians deserved to be demonised.

    anon wrote...
    take out Soros
    blame it on Iranians
    two-fer
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  175. Rurik says:
    @annamaria
    "You illusions to Cheney and Bush don’t really equate..."
    You mean allusions? - Oh, they do equate. There has been an intense synergy between ziocons and the X-tian psychopaths. Could you detect a difference between Hanna Arendt and the Kagans clan, and between general Smedley D. Butler and Dick Cheney? How it could happen that the despicable Wolf Blitzer is still blowiating a belligerent nonsense on MSM, while the despicable Condi Rice is teaching at Stanford? Was not it a X-tian, Bill Clinton, who repealed the Glass-Steagall Act (on an expert advice of the vampirish Rubin)? Where is the US Congress (predominantly X-tian) when Israel is getting $15 million per/day from the US taxpayers pockets? And how come that the US brass (predominantly X-tian) have been always ready to engage, from their cozy offices, in the more and more "interventions" (slaughter) in the faraway lands? You want an answer? - Money. There is no daylight between Cheney&Bush and ziocons. Look at Samantha Powers and Hilary Clinton and try to find a difference between them and Nuland-Kagan (of Kievan neo-nazis fame). Good luck!

    and between general Smedley D. Butler and Dick Cheney?

    please note annamarina, that Smedley Butler [RIP] repudiated the evil of contrived wars for profit. He’s now a hero of the anti-war true Christians and others of good will.

    (whores like Bush and Cheney and the false “Christians” like Hagee are headed straight to hell, if there is an afterlife)

    a true Christian, (I don’t believe in any organized religion) is a person who follows and honors the words and sentiments of the Christ, and whose hearts are filled with love and kindness and peace for all of mankind. I suppose there are a few of them somewhere

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  176. Erebus says:
    @Sam J.
    "...My feeling is that 9/11 is too complex..."

    No this is not true. Building 7 fell the same speed for roughly 108 feet as if it was held up by air...that's right air. There's nothing complicated about that at all. This is not rocket science it's high school physics.

    I have no doubt there's lots more video evidence that's not released.

    True we might not get everyone but in this case those responsible could be tried in a military court and executed as a terrorist act. They passed all these terrorist acts to repress the average American but we can use them on them.

    Oh, the physics of it is simple enough. As you say, it’s high school level, but that’s just the tip of the 9/11 iceberg. Between the physics of what happened/didn’t happen and proving beyond reasonable doubt that those with the means, motives and opportunity were the perpetrators is a very long road. That every step along that road would be impeded by powerful forces goes without saying. Yes, it could and should be done, but I’m not sure it could be done now, or ever without a level of public demand that could not be ignored. The public has to make the political cost of ignoring 9/11 higher than the cost of investigating it. Until then, it ain’t gonna happen.

    Contrast that with searching Weiner’s 650k emails using sophisticated keyword and image detection software. If the evidence is in those emails, unless it’s strongly encrypted it can be found in a matter of hours, if not minutes and it probably already has been. A single leak could blow the lid off.

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  177. Uslabor says:

    “This goes far beyond the kind of satire previous Presidents have ever been subjected to.”

    I like The Saker’s articles and wesite, but saying Trump is subjected to satire worse than any previous president is absurd.

    Obama was compared to monkeys, called gay, was born in another country, etc, and for 8 years. Trump has it easy in comparison.

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    Not in any way to agree with the Faker, but look at this and get back to me about President Trump having it easy:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3wt7udWMAAA-WM.jpg
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  178. […] mit rosa Mösenmützchen, die “Pussyhats” genannt werden, gar  schon eine gewalttäige “Farben-Revolution” auf  das Königreich zurollen. Halbwegs entspannt zwischen Donalds Freunden und Feinden ging es […]

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  179. gman says:

    “One of the most amazing features of this color revolution against Trump is the fact that those behind it don’t give a damn about the damage that their war against Trump does to the institution of the President of the United States and, really, to the United States as a whole.”

    oh they very much care about it. it’s a bonus. see, their goal is to either 1) own and control america or 2) destroy it. any destruction caused in attempting to regain control of america is simply preparatory damage for destroying it.

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    Agree. Here is a Hungarian variation on the same theme:
    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/02/01/war-ordinary-americans-paul-craig-roberts/
    "These crowds are the embodiment of hypocrisy. Chanting slogans of “love”, they act out of pure hatred, for power, and refuse to be reasoned with. They refuse to consider facts. They call themselves liberals, but act against liberty through exercising total intolerance"
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  180. @SolontoCroesus



    U.S. tech without Iranian immigrants: No eBay, Oracle, Google, DropBox, Tinder
    ADAM GHAHRAMANI@ADAMAGB JANUARY 30, 2017 8:51 AM
    http://venturebeat.com/2017/01/30/u-s-tech-without-iranian-immigrants-no-ebay-oracle-google-dropbox-tinder/
    Iranians in tech
    . . .

    Trump’s new order threatens to cripple immigration from seven countries: Iran, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Sudan, and Somalia. So far, no one’s done a good job of expressing the tech and business costs of what it means to lose the best and brightest from those countries. Instead, we get limp statistics, images of strangers suffering, and vague lamentations like “we’re losing our values” or “this will make it harder to hire programmers from abroad.”

    Since I’m an Iranian-American and know the community’s accomplishments well, I’d like to paint a brief picture of what the U.S. tech landscape would look like had Iran been stonewalled over the last few decades. This should give you an idea of what’s at stake (the people below were either born in Iran or had Iranian parents).

    * eBay, if it existed at all, would be a French company (Pierre Omidyar, founder)

    * Your searches might be on Yahoo instead of Google, since Google would have lost its business founder (Omid Kordestani)

    * If Google did survive, its acquisition of YouTube might have wrecked the platform without a key employee’s stewardship (Salar Kamangar, former YouTube CEO and Google employee #7)

    * You’d be storing your files locally instead of on DropBox. Other cloud storage services inspired by DropBox wouldn’t exist. (Arash Ferdowsi, cofounder and CTO)

    * Twitter would be in deep trouble, because it would lose its Executive Chairman (also Kordestani) and its COO (Ali Rowghani).

    * Oracle would just be a character from The Matrix, because Larry Ellison would be missing his cofounder (Bob Miner)

    . . .

    The list goes on, and Iran is just one of the seven countries Trump is targeting. But it gets worse, because even if you think turning people away from these seven countries is an acceptable loss, there’s a cascading effect.

    Immigration will fall from neighboring countries. Would a brilliant Turkish programmer accept a job in the U.S. now, knowing that their work visa could be revoked on a whim?
    . . .
    Would a wealthy Swiss angel investor want to retire in the U.S. if they disagreed adamantly with our refugee policy?
    Talented people in other countries don’t disappear if we reject them. They’ll shrug and move on to the burgeoning tech scenes of Europe and Asia, where they’ll be greeted with easy funding, a low cost of living, fast Internet, vibrant communities, and exotic workspaces. Many American tech startups have even been flocking to these destinations of late. If we limit immigration, we’ll be accelerating Europe and Asia’s tech position while massively sabotaging our own.

    Adam Ghahramani is head of digital product for a creative agency in New York City. Find him at adamagb.com or make friends on Twitter (@adamagb).
     

    As I am sure you well know, Iran has never attacked us, much less anyone else in over 300 years. Their war with Iraq was instigated by us. If anything we have heaped huge amounts of pain on them since the 1950s because they had the gall to cherish their sovereignty.

    The Iranians have been, and continue to be demonized by the usual suspects. They pose no threat to us – none, nada, zilch, but they pose an impediment to Israel’s annexation of Eretz Israel just as Saddam did, and Ghadafi did. So, our overlords in Israel snapped their greasy fingers, and off to war we went, with trillions of dollars of our treasure and thousands of American lives, not counting the millions of innocents sent to their graves in the Middle East, and a refugee problem that now threatens the extinction of Europe, and may land on our shores unless Trump has his way.

    The stranglehold of the media is such in this country, that a large swath of people now see the victims as the perpetrators, while the real culprits sit in the dark, gleefully rubbing their bloody hands.

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    everything you said is true about Iran and it's nemesis ZUSA and the serial injustices visited upon Iran by the ZUSA, not least of which was the Shah's tyrannical regime

    but I must say the first and only time I've ever had any reason to question the wisdom of the Iranians (other than not letting the hostages go right away) is when they feigned outrage at Trump's immigration ban. ~ Unless Iran allows immigration and visas from every single nation on the planet, like Israel for instance.

    If they do, then perhaps they're not hypocrites and I'm wrong, if so please ignore this post. (But I doubt it). And from where I sit, considering the myriad crimes the ZUSA has visited upon Iran, and the outrages the ZUSA has treated so many Iranians to, perhaps Trump is just being prudent by imposing a short moratorium on immigration and visas from nations that have every right to hate ZUSA and might just be tempted to do Americans harm in a misguided attempt to revenge the crimes of the Zio-occupied government.

    my two cents
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  181. @SolontoCroesus



    U.S. tech without Iranian immigrants: No eBay, Oracle, Google, DropBox, Tinder
    ADAM GHAHRAMANI@ADAMAGB JANUARY 30, 2017 8:51 AM
    http://venturebeat.com/2017/01/30/u-s-tech-without-iranian-immigrants-no-ebay-oracle-google-dropbox-tinder/
    Iranians in tech
    . . .

    Trump’s new order threatens to cripple immigration from seven countries: Iran, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Sudan, and Somalia. So far, no one’s done a good job of expressing the tech and business costs of what it means to lose the best and brightest from those countries. Instead, we get limp statistics, images of strangers suffering, and vague lamentations like “we’re losing our values” or “this will make it harder to hire programmers from abroad.”

    Since I’m an Iranian-American and know the community’s accomplishments well, I’d like to paint a brief picture of what the U.S. tech landscape would look like had Iran been stonewalled over the last few decades. This should give you an idea of what’s at stake (the people below were either born in Iran or had Iranian parents).

    * eBay, if it existed at all, would be a French company (Pierre Omidyar, founder)

    * Your searches might be on Yahoo instead of Google, since Google would have lost its business founder (Omid Kordestani)

    * If Google did survive, its acquisition of YouTube might have wrecked the platform without a key employee’s stewardship (Salar Kamangar, former YouTube CEO and Google employee #7)

    * You’d be storing your files locally instead of on DropBox. Other cloud storage services inspired by DropBox wouldn’t exist. (Arash Ferdowsi, cofounder and CTO)

    * Twitter would be in deep trouble, because it would lose its Executive Chairman (also Kordestani) and its COO (Ali Rowghani).

    * Oracle would just be a character from The Matrix, because Larry Ellison would be missing his cofounder (Bob Miner)

    . . .

    The list goes on, and Iran is just one of the seven countries Trump is targeting. But it gets worse, because even if you think turning people away from these seven countries is an acceptable loss, there’s a cascading effect.

    Immigration will fall from neighboring countries. Would a brilliant Turkish programmer accept a job in the U.S. now, knowing that their work visa could be revoked on a whim?
    . . .
    Would a wealthy Swiss angel investor want to retire in the U.S. if they disagreed adamantly with our refugee policy?
    Talented people in other countries don’t disappear if we reject them. They’ll shrug and move on to the burgeoning tech scenes of Europe and Asia, where they’ll be greeted with easy funding, a low cost of living, fast Internet, vibrant communities, and exotic workspaces. Many American tech startups have even been flocking to these destinations of late. If we limit immigration, we’ll be accelerating Europe and Asia’s tech position while massively sabotaging our own.

    Adam Ghahramani is head of digital product for a creative agency in New York City. Find him at adamagb.com or make friends on Twitter (@adamagb).
     

    And lest we forget, Steve Jobs was the son of Syrian immigrants.

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  182. @SolontoCroesus



    U.S. tech without Iranian immigrants: No eBay, Oracle, Google, DropBox, Tinder
    ADAM GHAHRAMANI@ADAMAGB JANUARY 30, 2017 8:51 AM
    http://venturebeat.com/2017/01/30/u-s-tech-without-iranian-immigrants-no-ebay-oracle-google-dropbox-tinder/
    Iranians in tech
    . . .

    Trump’s new order threatens to cripple immigration from seven countries: Iran, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Sudan, and Somalia. So far, no one’s done a good job of expressing the tech and business costs of what it means to lose the best and brightest from those countries. Instead, we get limp statistics, images of strangers suffering, and vague lamentations like “we’re losing our values” or “this will make it harder to hire programmers from abroad.”

    Since I’m an Iranian-American and know the community’s accomplishments well, I’d like to paint a brief picture of what the U.S. tech landscape would look like had Iran been stonewalled over the last few decades. This should give you an idea of what’s at stake (the people below were either born in Iran or had Iranian parents).

    * eBay, if it existed at all, would be a French company (Pierre Omidyar, founder)

    * Your searches might be on Yahoo instead of Google, since Google would have lost its business founder (Omid Kordestani)

    * If Google did survive, its acquisition of YouTube might have wrecked the platform without a key employee’s stewardship (Salar Kamangar, former YouTube CEO and Google employee #7)

    * You’d be storing your files locally instead of on DropBox. Other cloud storage services inspired by DropBox wouldn’t exist. (Arash Ferdowsi, cofounder and CTO)

    * Twitter would be in deep trouble, because it would lose its Executive Chairman (also Kordestani) and its COO (Ali Rowghani).

    * Oracle would just be a character from The Matrix, because Larry Ellison would be missing his cofounder (Bob Miner)

    . . .

    The list goes on, and Iran is just one of the seven countries Trump is targeting. But it gets worse, because even if you think turning people away from these seven countries is an acceptable loss, there’s a cascading effect.

    Immigration will fall from neighboring countries. Would a brilliant Turkish programmer accept a job in the U.S. now, knowing that their work visa could be revoked on a whim?
    . . .
    Would a wealthy Swiss angel investor want to retire in the U.S. if they disagreed adamantly with our refugee policy?
    Talented people in other countries don’t disappear if we reject them. They’ll shrug and move on to the burgeoning tech scenes of Europe and Asia, where they’ll be greeted with easy funding, a low cost of living, fast Internet, vibrant communities, and exotic workspaces. Many American tech startups have even been flocking to these destinations of late. If we limit immigration, we’ll be accelerating Europe and Asia’s tech position while massively sabotaging our own.

    Adam Ghahramani is head of digital product for a creative agency in New York City. Find him at adamagb.com or make friends on Twitter (@adamagb).
     

    I hope you didn’t infer that I was saying that Iranians were awful people. I was replying to the following from an “anon” idiot and asking anon to detail why Iranians deserved to be demonised.

    anon wrote…
    take out Soros
    blame it on Iranians
    two-fer

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  183. @Sam J.
    "...My feeling is that 9/11 is too complex..."

    No this is not true. Building 7 fell the same speed for roughly 108 feet as if it was held up by air...that's right air. There's nothing complicated about that at all. This is not rocket science it's high school physics.

    I have no doubt there's lots more video evidence that's not released.

    True we might not get everyone but in this case those responsible could be tried in a military court and executed as a terrorist act. They passed all these terrorist acts to repress the average American but we can use them on them.

    Whilst I agree with you personally the majority of Americans wouldn’t, at this stage. The “ground” needs to be prepared first. Even many genuine Unz commenters cannot get their heads around it and though they often make sound comments on other issues they will present as fools when it comes to the collapses of the WTC buildings. Many seemingly intelligent people still argue for steel melting and gravity collapses and it baffles me how and why. Take a squint at the comments on the recent 9/11 article here at Unz for confirmation. I have personally severed long term friendships over arguments on this very topic.

    As Erebus stated, there are likely several compartments,with patsies and scapegoats built into the operation from the very genesis of the planning. Then there is plausible deniability. We are taking about treason on such a scale that there are few examples in history to equal it. A tipping point of awareness must be reached first and Pizzagate is the best key to date because it possibly would uncover the means by which many who were not actually involved have been persuaded to go along with the cover-up due to the blackmail and shame of exposure. Many would turn on the blackmailers (9/11 planners and executors) and sing, accepting being branded as “mere” pedos rather than be dealt with as pedos AND traitors.

    Pedos should be locked away whilst traitors should be hanged, publicly.

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    agree with your (and Erebus's) insights on most people's unwillingness to 'go there' vis-à-vis 9/11

    there is a mental/psychological block, perhaps having something to do with the 'big lie', and how a crime of such enormity is simply incomprehensible to most people, even otherwise intelligent ones of good faith.

    the only thing I'd nitpick on is this:

    Pedos should be locked away whilst traitors should be hanged, publicly.
     
    since I simply think they both should be hanged. that in fact is one more thing I admire about Iran

    anyways cheers
    , @Erebus
    To quote a phrase; Exactly, thank you.

    Pizzagate is the best key to date because it possibly would uncover the means by which many who were not actually involved have been persuaded to go along with the cover-up due to the blackmail
     
    Yes, there is a very high likelihood of overlap in the 2 cases. In fact, it occurred to me that when Prince spoke about evidence of "great evil", he may in fact have been pointing to the intersection of 9/11 and paedophilia. A double blackmail that would keep anyone quiet, but there's likely to be quite a few more intersecting sets of scandals.

    For instance, Weiner's laptop contains contains both his and Huma Abedin's emails going back years. 650,000 emails = 90 emails per day (every day!) for the 20 yrs Huma worked for Hillary. Even if they contain little evidence of "great evil", how somebody with her CV came to be placed deep inside the American elite as Hillary's minder is likely to blow a few lids off as well.
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  184. Rurik says:
    @Cloak And Dagger
    @SolontoCroesus

    As I am sure you well know, Iran has never attacked us, much less anyone else in over 300 years. Their war with Iraq was instigated by us. If anything we have heaped huge amounts of pain on them since the 1950s because they had the gall to cherish their sovereignty.

    The Iranians have been, and continue to be demonized by the usual suspects. They pose no threat to us - none, nada, zilch, but they pose an impediment to Israel's annexation of Eretz Israel just as Saddam did, and Ghadafi did. So, our overlords in Israel snapped their greasy fingers, and off to war we went, with trillions of dollars of our treasure and thousands of American lives, not counting the millions of innocents sent to their graves in the Middle East, and a refugee problem that now threatens the extinction of Europe, and may land on our shores unless Trump has his way.

    The stranglehold of the media is such in this country, that a large swath of people now see the victims as the perpetrators, while the real culprits sit in the dark, gleefully rubbing their bloody hands.

    everything you said is true about Iran and it’s nemesis ZUSA and the serial injustices visited upon Iran by the ZUSA, not least of which was the Shah’s tyrannical regime

    but I must say the first and only time I’ve ever had any reason to question the wisdom of the Iranians (other than not letting the hostages go right away) is when they feigned outrage at Trump’s immigration ban. ~ Unless Iran allows immigration and visas from every single nation on the planet, like Israel for instance.

    If they do, then perhaps they’re not hypocrites and I’m wrong, if so please ignore this post. (But I doubt it). And from where I sit, considering the myriad crimes the ZUSA has visited upon Iran, and the outrages the ZUSA has treated so many Iranians to, perhaps Trump is just being prudent by imposing a short moratorium on immigration and visas from nations that have every right to hate ZUSA and might just be tempted to do Americans harm in a misguided attempt to revenge the crimes of the Zio-occupied government.

    my two cents

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    Iran actually has the largest jewish population in the entire ME outside of Israel, apparently they have parliamentary representation, synagogs and bookshops and appear to be happy to live there. It is thus difficult to see Iran as a jew-hating nation. Interestingly, many of them do not consider modern Israel to represent true Judaism as they see it.

    As to the pedos, they are certainly sick but often due to being victimised themselves as children. The compulsions that drive them to victimise children are very hard for them to control as demonstrated by the high rate of recidivism. Society should be protected so I don't agree with pedos being released back into the general community, hanging them is too harsh for most in my opinion but there are exceptions.

    As for the traitors, let them swing and be seen to swing until the rope rots.

    , @SolontoCroesus
    Rurik, Somewhere between one- and three-million refugees from Iraq and Afghanistan have been living in Iran since US starting fighting terrorism in 2003.

    There are some tensions in these communities -- Iran provides primary and secondary school education to those refugees/children, but university education is difficult if not impossible for such a refugee-immigrant.
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  185. Rurik says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    Whilst I agree with you personally the majority of Americans wouldn't, at this stage. The "ground" needs to be prepared first. Even many genuine Unz commenters cannot get their heads around it and though they often make sound comments on other issues they will present as fools when it comes to the collapses of the WTC buildings. Many seemingly intelligent people still argue for steel melting and gravity collapses and it baffles me how and why. Take a squint at the comments on the recent 9/11 article here at Unz for confirmation. I have personally severed long term friendships over arguments on this very topic.

    As Erebus stated, there are likely several compartments,with patsies and scapegoats built into the operation from the very genesis of the planning. Then there is plausible deniability. We are taking about treason on such a scale that there are few examples in history to equal it. A tipping point of awareness must be reached first and Pizzagate is the best key to date because it possibly would uncover the means by which many who were not actually involved have been persuaded to go along with the cover-up due to the blackmail and shame of exposure. Many would turn on the blackmailers (9/11 planners and executors) and sing, accepting being branded as "mere" pedos rather than be dealt with as pedos AND traitors.

    Pedos should be locked away whilst traitors should be hanged, publicly.

    agree with your (and Erebus’s) insights on most people’s unwillingness to ‘go there’ vis-à-vis 9/11

    there is a mental/psychological block, perhaps having something to do with the ‘big lie’, and how a crime of such enormity is simply incomprehensible to most people, even otherwise intelligent ones of good faith.

    the only thing I’d nitpick on is this:

    Pedos should be locked away whilst traitors should be hanged, publicly.

    since I simply think they both should be hanged. that in fact is one more thing I admire about Iran

    anyways cheers

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  186. @Rurik
    everything you said is true about Iran and it's nemesis ZUSA and the serial injustices visited upon Iran by the ZUSA, not least of which was the Shah's tyrannical regime

    but I must say the first and only time I've ever had any reason to question the wisdom of the Iranians (other than not letting the hostages go right away) is when they feigned outrage at Trump's immigration ban. ~ Unless Iran allows immigration and visas from every single nation on the planet, like Israel for instance.

    If they do, then perhaps they're not hypocrites and I'm wrong, if so please ignore this post. (But I doubt it). And from where I sit, considering the myriad crimes the ZUSA has visited upon Iran, and the outrages the ZUSA has treated so many Iranians to, perhaps Trump is just being prudent by imposing a short moratorium on immigration and visas from nations that have every right to hate ZUSA and might just be tempted to do Americans harm in a misguided attempt to revenge the crimes of the Zio-occupied government.

    my two cents

    Iran actually has the largest jewish population in the entire ME outside of Israel, apparently they have parliamentary representation, synagogs and bookshops and appear to be happy to live there. It is thus difficult to see Iran as a jew-hating nation. Interestingly, many of them do not consider modern Israel to represent true Judaism as they see it.

    As to the pedos, they are certainly sick but often due to being victimised themselves as children. The compulsions that drive them to victimise children are very hard for them to control as demonstrated by the high rate of recidivism. Society should be protected so I don’t agree with pedos being released back into the general community, hanging them is too harsh for most in my opinion but there are exceptions.

    As for the traitors, let them swing and be seen to swing until the rope rots.

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    Iran actually has the largest jewish population in the entire ME outside of Israel, ... ...It is thus difficult to see Iran as a jew-hating nation.
     
    yea Duke, that's actually a point I've made here on the Unz from time to time. They like and are assimilated into Iranian culture. But Iran doesn't allow Israelis to even visit Iran on a visa. They're considered hostile, across the board, even tho I'm sure everyone, including the Iranians, would concede that most would not cause Iran or Iranians harm. But just to be prudent, based on historical and current hostilities, they draw a line when it comes to that particular state, and also Americans are treated differently if they want to visit.

    I'm not condemning Iran for this, rather I'm agreeing that it's a prudent policy, even if occasionally unfair.

    My point is that every nation has the right (and obligation) to control its borders and who comes in, and do so for what is best for the citizens of that nation.

    Right now there is a firestorm over the notion that Western nations be allowed to do so. Presumably because of our inherent racism and guilt for historical crimes makes the West uniquely positioned to allow everyone to come in massive and transformational numbers.

    this guy spells out the mentality more succinctly than most

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=encjlpMxD0Q

    we should be grateful to this man for his refreshing candor.

    Anyways, that's my point. Simply that all nations have a duty to look after their own citizens before they consider the rights of the rest of the world. Yes, Germany treated some people unfairly during WWII, but I still don't think the German people should be replaced to make amends for that or to prevent it from happening again. And similarly, it's true that the US has been used as Israel's rabid dog to cause great suffering across the Islamic world. But who do you think are the most fanatical supporters of Muslim (and everyone else) immigration into the US? Yep, that's right, the same people who've foisted the wars. The neocons and uber-Zionists like Sheldon Adelson- who demands Israel expel it's Muslim population, and, at the same time that the US accept unlimited numbers. So these netherworld scum want to see these Muslim nations destroyed, and then see the West destroyed too, with the 'refugees that their policies create.

    (I know I'm too long winded, but I guess it's my regretable style)

    So anyways, if Trump wants to draw a line on immigration and refugees, then I'm all on board. I understand the hatred and resentment for the US and it's insouciant citizens that a lot of people feel. I get it. I just haven't bought into the idea that it's the American people who deserve to suffer for the crimes of people like Sheldon Adelson. Even tho he'd be the first one to say 'yes they do!'
    , @Rurik

    As to the pedos, they are certainly sick but often due to being victimised themselves as children. The compulsions that drive them to victimise children are very hard for them to control as demonstrated by the high rate of recidivism.
     
    I agree that these people do what they do out of a compulsion, but I don't care. And it's not even out of wrath that I'd like to see them publically executed, but rather to help them control their compulsions. If your compulsion is to get richer and more powerful (a very common and powerful compulsion indeed), and you're tempted to do so by betraying this country, then seeing the last traitor dancing at the end of a rope just might make you think twice. Just as a child abuser, (even one abused in his childhood) might think twice before doing so if he knew his ultimate fate would be a purple tongue and his last gasp to the cheers of the crowd.

    hanging them is too harsh for most in my opinion but there are exceptions.
     
    yes, in a way I like the idea of Jerry Sandusky being treated to his own medicine every day until he gets old. (I suppose there is a little wrath in that). But perhaps what I'm getting at [please do!] is that on point, with the Pizzagate thing, I suspect that the crime of child rape is even more viscerally repugnant than even treason to the American public. So if it came out that our elites were a den of Jerry Sanduskys (much as I suspect the British elite indeed are), then I would not be surprised if there wasn't a howl for their blood. - Even more so than if they had committed treason.

    I hope Ron Unz finds more articles on Pizzagate, and that we don't let that one rest, if there is any there there. And I suspect that there is. And as Erebus points out, would be a great place to start.
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  187. Erebus says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    Whilst I agree with you personally the majority of Americans wouldn't, at this stage. The "ground" needs to be prepared first. Even many genuine Unz commenters cannot get their heads around it and though they often make sound comments on other issues they will present as fools when it comes to the collapses of the WTC buildings. Many seemingly intelligent people still argue for steel melting and gravity collapses and it baffles me how and why. Take a squint at the comments on the recent 9/11 article here at Unz for confirmation. I have personally severed long term friendships over arguments on this very topic.

    As Erebus stated, there are likely several compartments,with patsies and scapegoats built into the operation from the very genesis of the planning. Then there is plausible deniability. We are taking about treason on such a scale that there are few examples in history to equal it. A tipping point of awareness must be reached first and Pizzagate is the best key to date because it possibly would uncover the means by which many who were not actually involved have been persuaded to go along with the cover-up due to the blackmail and shame of exposure. Many would turn on the blackmailers (9/11 planners and executors) and sing, accepting being branded as "mere" pedos rather than be dealt with as pedos AND traitors.

    Pedos should be locked away whilst traitors should be hanged, publicly.

    To quote a phrase; Exactly, thank you.

    Pizzagate is the best key to date because it possibly would uncover the means by which many who were not actually involved have been persuaded to go along with the cover-up due to the blackmail

    Yes, there is a very high likelihood of overlap in the 2 cases. In fact, it occurred to me that when Prince spoke about evidence of “great evil”, he may in fact have been pointing to the intersection of 9/11 and paedophilia. A double blackmail that would keep anyone quiet, but there’s likely to be quite a few more intersecting sets of scandals.

    For instance, Weiner’s laptop contains contains both his and Huma Abedin’s emails going back years. 650,000 emails = 90 emails per day (every day!) for the 20 yrs Huma worked for Hillary. Even if they contain little evidence of “great evil”, how somebody with her CV came to be placed deep inside the American elite as Hillary’s minder is likely to blow a few lids off as well.

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  188. bryce says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    "There will be secession movements that will balkanize the lower 48."

    That would work great if the movement for California to succeed works. It could become an open borders cesspool as all the illegals and half of Latin America storm in. Other states could bus their unwanted illegals there, and it would turn into a new Brazil (a rich upper class) and hordes of poor. The state language would become Spanish and crime would become rampant, but the rest of America would benefit. All the whites and asians would eventually flee (millions have already), and it would become a Third World failure. Parts of that state are already like that.

    If California secedes, the language will start off English/Spanish but will end with Mandarin/Cantonese.

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  189. […] mit rosa Mösenmützchen, die „Pussyhats“ genannt werden, gar schon eine gewalttäige „Farben-Revolution“ auf das Königreich zurollen. Halbwegs entspannt zwischen Donalds Freunden und Feinden ging es nur […]

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  190. Peetee says:
    @Authenticjazman
    Okay as an atheist who pulled the lever for DT, I have a question for yourself as a believing Christian , a question which I have posed innumerable times to God-believers over the last fifty years and for which I have to this day not recieved a viable answer, okay here it is, and please read it very carefully :
    The Hitler puzzle :
    So if God, as according to you God-believing folks "knows" the future, and If God created everything and everybody including Hitler, this means then that God also "Knew" that Hitler , in the future, would be directly and indirectly responsible murders of ca sixty million humans.
    But according to you Christian God-believers God also allowed for the exercise of " free-will" meaning then that he "Allowed" Hitler to exercise his "Free-will" through the accomplishment of the murders of sixty million human beings.
    Now of course he, God, could have avoided this carnage by simply not creating Hitler in the first place and thusly nullifying his, Hitler's "Free-will", however God apparently considered Hitler's free-will to have priority over the survival of his, Hitler's" sixty million victims, and he , God, therefore went ahead and created him, Hitler, anyway, fully knowing, seeing as God "Knows" the future, fully knowing what was going to occur, which could have been avoided, had God chosen to not create Hitler.
    So the situation is/was : If God would have not created Hitler, his victims, of which God had, knowing the future according to your teachings, full knowledge, these people would have not become the ultimate victims of AH.
    Or to put it in simple terms : God, knowing the future, knew that Hitler was going to murder sixty million people, and he went ahead and created him anyway, so as not violate Hitler's exercise of free-will.
    So just what is your own take on this issue?

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

    God never intended evil to enter the world.

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    In time, evil destroys itself. Infinite patience is required but time itself is infinite.
    , @jillthepill
    Woops......Satin is let loose----Revelation??
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  191. […] A “Color Revolution” Is Under Way in the United States — The Saker […]

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  192. @Peetee
    God never intended evil to enter the world.

    In time, evil destroys itself. Infinite patience is required but time itself is infinite.

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  193. @annamaria
    "You illusions to Cheney and Bush don’t really equate..."
    You mean allusions? - Oh, they do equate. There has been an intense synergy between ziocons and the X-tian psychopaths. Could you detect a difference between Hanna Arendt and the Kagans clan, and between general Smedley D. Butler and Dick Cheney? How it could happen that the despicable Wolf Blitzer is still blowiating a belligerent nonsense on MSM, while the despicable Condi Rice is teaching at Stanford? Was not it a X-tian, Bill Clinton, who repealed the Glass-Steagall Act (on an expert advice of the vampirish Rubin)? Where is the US Congress (predominantly X-tian) when Israel is getting $15 million per/day from the US taxpayers pockets? And how come that the US brass (predominantly X-tian) have been always ready to engage, from their cozy offices, in the more and more "interventions" (slaughter) in the faraway lands? You want an answer? - Money. There is no daylight between Cheney&Bush and ziocons. Look at Samantha Powers and Hilary Clinton and try to find a difference between them and Nuland-Kagan (of Kievan neo-nazis fame). Good luck!

    Christ maintained that the many who claimed that “they prophecy in His name, and they healed in His name”,were imposters and he rebuked them- saying, “I NEVER KNEW YOU”.

    You seem obssesed with this sophomoric” X-tian this”and ” X-tian that”….anyone with half a brain knows that religion is used for detrimental means by degenerate men and psycho- pathic governments. Christ called them “wolves in sheep’s clothing.”

    Annamaria, you would be better off with a Bible in one hand, and a cook book in the other…

    “Broad is the path to destruction, and narrow is the gate to eternal life- FEW will find it.”

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  194. Boris N says:
    @Anonymous
    The same opinion about the leadership of Russian Federation is expressed
    in numerous blog publications by Anatoliy Evgenievich Nesmyan,
    writing under the nick "El-murid",
    http://el-murid.livejournal.com/ .

    I’m not interested in hogwash by Ukrainian nationalists like him.

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    If you can label Nesmiyan "nationalist",
    he is Russian nationalist.
    Best to you, estimable Boris N.
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  195. @Rurik
    everything you said is true about Iran and it's nemesis ZUSA and the serial injustices visited upon Iran by the ZUSA, not least of which was the Shah's tyrannical regime

    but I must say the first and only time I've ever had any reason to question the wisdom of the Iranians (other than not letting the hostages go right away) is when they feigned outrage at Trump's immigration ban. ~ Unless Iran allows immigration and visas from every single nation on the planet, like Israel for instance.

    If they do, then perhaps they're not hypocrites and I'm wrong, if so please ignore this post. (But I doubt it). And from where I sit, considering the myriad crimes the ZUSA has visited upon Iran, and the outrages the ZUSA has treated so many Iranians to, perhaps Trump is just being prudent by imposing a short moratorium on immigration and visas from nations that have every right to hate ZUSA and might just be tempted to do Americans harm in a misguided attempt to revenge the crimes of the Zio-occupied government.

    my two cents

    Rurik, Somewhere between one- and three-million refugees from Iraq and Afghanistan have been living in Iran since US starting fighting terrorism in 2003.

    There are some tensions in these communities — Iran provides primary and secondary school education to those refugees/children, but university education is difficult if not impossible for such a refugee-immigrant.

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    Somewhere between one- and three-million refugees from Iraq and Afghanistan have been living in Iran since US starting fighting terrorism in 2003.
     
    there is no doubt in my mind SC, that the Fiend's wars have caused unimaginable suffering all across that part of the world.

    I have deep sympathies for Iran, and like Palestine, consider the crimes my government has committed against that country to be an enormity and infamy. I hate what the Zionists have forced us to participate in, and repudiate their evil with my every breath, as you well know.

    Let's take Ron Paul. (my hero really) Should his grandchildren be forced to pay for the terrible crimes of the fecal government, that Dr. Paul has spent his life heroically trying to rein in?

    Should mechanics in Iowa be forced to see their communities rended apart because of the crimes of Bush, Obama and Hillary?

    If the German people during WWII really were all "willing executioners" ((as some have claimed)) of gays and Jews and gypsies and the disabled and Catholics and Poles- whole sale, as we've been led to believe, then perhaps they did deserve to suffer at the end of the war. But the fact is they weren't. Rather it was a few renegade Germans who occasionally committed atrocities (just as the allies committed atrocities), and so the whole mantra about how the German people (or the American people) are all guilty and must be made to suffer for their crimes, is something I simply reject. I don't see it. Rather I see a people who're being lied to 24/7 -from every single media outlet in this country. A people too busy trying to survive to dig under the mountains of mendacity to see what we few with the time on our hands to dig, have figured out. And I just don't blame them.

    If Trump wants to impose a moratorium on refugees and visas from certain nations that the previous administrations have committed atrocities against, then perhaps that's simply prudent, no? No less so than Iran having a moratorium on Israeli visas.

    In a sane world, Trump will repudiate the crimes of the Zionists, and the Saudis, and the Turks, and tell Israel to get out of the Golan Heights and respect Syrian sovereignty. He'll begin a process of reparations to those nations we've done such terrible wrongs to, and we'll trade with all nations and commit crimes against none. A year ago I would have considered such language as beyond laughable, and perhaps it still is, but now, right now, I'm not so sure.
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  196. Rurik says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    Iran actually has the largest jewish population in the entire ME outside of Israel, apparently they have parliamentary representation, synagogs and bookshops and appear to be happy to live there. It is thus difficult to see Iran as a jew-hating nation. Interestingly, many of them do not consider modern Israel to represent true Judaism as they see it.

    As to the pedos, they are certainly sick but often due to being victimised themselves as children. The compulsions that drive them to victimise children are very hard for them to control as demonstrated by the high rate of recidivism. Society should be protected so I don't agree with pedos being released back into the general community, hanging them is too harsh for most in my opinion but there are exceptions.

    As for the traitors, let them swing and be seen to swing until the rope rots.

    Iran actually has the largest jewish population in the entire ME outside of Israel, … …It is thus difficult to see Iran as a jew-hating nation.

    yea Duke, that’s actually a point I’ve made here on the Unz from time to time. They like and are assimilated into Iranian culture. But Iran doesn’t allow Israelis to even visit Iran on a visa. They’re considered hostile, across the board, even tho I’m sure everyone, including the Iranians, would concede that most would not cause Iran or Iranians harm. But just to be prudent, based on historical and current hostilities, they draw a line when it comes to that particular state, and also Americans are treated differently if they want to visit.

    I’m not condemning Iran for this, rather I’m agreeing that it’s a prudent policy, even if occasionally unfair.

    My point is that every nation has the right (and obligation) to control its borders and who comes in, and do so for what is best for the citizens of that nation.

    Right now there is a firestorm over the notion that Western nations be allowed to do so. Presumably because of our inherent racism and guilt for historical crimes makes the West uniquely positioned to allow everyone to come in massive and transformational numbers.

    this guy spells out the mentality more succinctly than most

    we should be grateful to this man for his refreshing candor.

    Anyways, that’s my point. Simply that all nations have a duty to look after their own citizens before they consider the rights of the rest of the world. Yes, Germany treated some people unfairly during WWII, but I still don’t think the German people should be replaced to make amends for that or to prevent it from happening again. And similarly, it’s true that the US has been used as Israel’s rabid dog to cause great suffering across the Islamic world. But who do you think are the most fanatical supporters of Muslim (and everyone else) immigration into the US? Yep, that’s right, the same people who’ve foisted the wars. The neocons and uber-Zionists like Sheldon Adelson- who demands Israel expel it’s Muslim population, and, at the same time that the US accept unlimited numbers. So these netherworld scum want to see these Muslim nations destroyed, and then see the West destroyed too, with the ‘refugees that their policies create.

    (I know I’m too long winded, but I guess it’s my regretable style)

    So anyways, if Trump wants to draw a line on immigration and refugees, then I’m all on board. I understand the hatred and resentment for the US and it’s insouciant citizens that a lot of people feel. I get it. I just haven’t bought into the idea that it’s the American people who deserve to suffer for the crimes of people like Sheldon Adelson. Even tho he’d be the first one to say ‘yes they do!’

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    Americans are treated differently if they want to visit.
     
    When I visited Iran in 2008 I applied for a visa through the Pakistan (I think) embassy in DC, since US and Iran do not have diplomatic relations.

    Bush-Cheney had just passed a measure that all Iranians who entered US had to be fingerprinted, so Iran reciprocated, and when we entered Iran at Khomeini airport, we were fingerprinted. It was a joke -- the Iranians who had to print us were embarrassed, and they used plain old ink stamp pads.

    As Americans in Iran we were spectacularly safe -- because if an American got so much as a hangnail the US would come down on Iran like a ton of bricks. I was more afraid of what Bush-Cheney would do to me in Iran.

    I suppose Americans are treated somewhat differently -- we met a couple from Sweden that was driving-camping their way through Iran, and I don't think an American would be able to do that. I would luv to do just that. What a dream.

    Hotels where we stayed in Tehran, Isfehan, Shiraz, were crowded with conferences from Canada, tourists from Italy, university students from all over the world. Mashad is a very religious, very conservative city, crowded with religious pilgrims, but we were still free to go anywhere we wanted to go.

    I still communicate with several tour agencies that take groups to Iran regularly. Any American who gets the chance should go to Iran. It's beautiful, the people are beyond hospitable, warm, and of good humor.
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  197. anarchyst says:
    @Skeptikal
    "In 1932 many many German Jews voluntarily walked away from their properties in Germany — they were not forced to,"

    This remark betrays quite a lot of ignorance.
    Wealthy assimilated German Jews were not Zionists.
    Some family members did like the idea of moving to Palestine, but this was anomalous.
    Who would want to go to Palestine when life was good in Germany?
    Even after the Machtergreifung of 1933, for a long time the Nazi state was focused on prying away the wealth of the Jewish community.
    Please learn a little history before making silly allegations about German Jews volunteering to abandon their property in Germany in order to populate Palestine.

    For more on Zionist c0mplicity with the pre-WW2 German government, please obtain and read “51 Questions and Answers, Zionist Collaboration with the N azis” by author Lenni Brenner. You will find that the complicity went all the way up to the highest levels of the German government and the top Zionists.
    World Jewry, with Zionist encouragement, declared “war” on Germany in 1933, yes 1933…this was the Zionist leadership’s way to marginalize and demonize jews in the eyes of the German people, and make it easier to “encourage” jews to give up their German life.
    As German jews had assimilated into German life and were reluctant to leave, a way had to be found to “encourage” them to move to Palestine. Hence, the marginalization and demonization “push” by Zionists, with the cooperation and encouragement of the German government.
    The rest is (relatively unknown) history.

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  198. Rurik says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    Iran actually has the largest jewish population in the entire ME outside of Israel, apparently they have parliamentary representation, synagogs and bookshops and appear to be happy to live there. It is thus difficult to see Iran as a jew-hating nation. Interestingly, many of them do not consider modern Israel to represent true Judaism as they see it.

    As to the pedos, they are certainly sick but often due to being victimised themselves as children. The compulsions that drive them to victimise children are very hard for them to control as demonstrated by the high rate of recidivism. Society should be protected so I don't agree with pedos being released back into the general community, hanging them is too harsh for most in my opinion but there are exceptions.

    As for the traitors, let them swing and be seen to swing until the rope rots.

    As to the pedos, they are certainly sick but often due to being victimised themselves as children. The compulsions that drive them to victimise children are very hard for them to control as demonstrated by the high rate of recidivism.

    I agree that these people do what they do out of a compulsion, but I don’t care. And it’s not even out of wrath that I’d like to see them publically executed, but rather to help them control their compulsions. If your compulsion is to get richer and more powerful (a very common and powerful compulsion indeed), and you’re tempted to do so by betraying this country, then seeing the last traitor dancing at the end of a rope just might make you think twice. Just as a child abuser, (even one abused in his childhood) might think twice before doing so if he knew his ultimate fate would be a purple tongue and his last gasp to the cheers of the crowd.

    hanging them is too harsh for most in my opinion but there are exceptions.

    yes, in a way I like the idea of Jerry Sandusky being treated to his own medicine every day until he gets old. (I suppose there is a little wrath in that). But perhaps what I’m getting at [please do!] is that on point, with the Pizzagate thing, I suspect that the crime of child rape is even more viscerally repugnant than even treason to the American public. So if it came out that our elites were a den of Jerry Sanduskys (much as I suspect the British elite indeed are), then I would not be surprised if there wasn’t a howl for their blood. – Even more so than if they had committed treason.

    I hope Ron Unz finds more articles on Pizzagate, and that we don’t let that one rest, if there is any there there. And I suspect that there is. And as Erebus points out, would be a great place to start.

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  199. @Rurik

    Iran actually has the largest jewish population in the entire ME outside of Israel, ... ...It is thus difficult to see Iran as a jew-hating nation.
     
    yea Duke, that's actually a point I've made here on the Unz from time to time. They like and are assimilated into Iranian culture. But Iran doesn't allow Israelis to even visit Iran on a visa. They're considered hostile, across the board, even tho I'm sure everyone, including the Iranians, would concede that most would not cause Iran or Iranians harm. But just to be prudent, based on historical and current hostilities, they draw a line when it comes to that particular state, and also Americans are treated differently if they want to visit.

    I'm not condemning Iran for this, rather I'm agreeing that it's a prudent policy, even if occasionally unfair.

    My point is that every nation has the right (and obligation) to control its borders and who comes in, and do so for what is best for the citizens of that nation.

    Right now there is a firestorm over the notion that Western nations be allowed to do so. Presumably because of our inherent racism and guilt for historical crimes makes the West uniquely positioned to allow everyone to come in massive and transformational numbers.

    this guy spells out the mentality more succinctly than most

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=encjlpMxD0Q

    we should be grateful to this man for his refreshing candor.

    Anyways, that's my point. Simply that all nations have a duty to look after their own citizens before they consider the rights of the rest of the world. Yes, Germany treated some people unfairly during WWII, but I still don't think the German people should be replaced to make amends for that or to prevent it from happening again. And similarly, it's true that the US has been used as Israel's rabid dog to cause great suffering across the Islamic world. But who do you think are the most fanatical supporters of Muslim (and everyone else) immigration into the US? Yep, that's right, the same people who've foisted the wars. The neocons and uber-Zionists like Sheldon Adelson- who demands Israel expel it's Muslim population, and, at the same time that the US accept unlimited numbers. So these netherworld scum want to see these Muslim nations destroyed, and then see the West destroyed too, with the 'refugees that their policies create.

    (I know I'm too long winded, but I guess it's my regretable style)

    So anyways, if Trump wants to draw a line on immigration and refugees, then I'm all on board. I understand the hatred and resentment for the US and it's insouciant citizens that a lot of people feel. I get it. I just haven't bought into the idea that it's the American people who deserve to suffer for the crimes of people like Sheldon Adelson. Even tho he'd be the first one to say 'yes they do!'

    Americans are treated differently if they want to visit.

    When I visited Iran in 2008 I applied for a visa through the Pakistan (I think) embassy in DC, since US and Iran do not have diplomatic relations.

    Bush-Cheney had just passed a measure that all Iranians who entered US had to be fingerprinted, so Iran reciprocated, and when we entered Iran at Khomeini airport, we were fingerprinted. It was a joke — the Iranians who had to print us were embarrassed, and they used plain old ink stamp pads.

    As Americans in Iran we were spectacularly safe — because if an American got so much as a hangnail the US would come down on Iran like a ton of bricks. I was more afraid of what Bush-Cheney would do to me in Iran.

    I suppose Americans are treated somewhat differently — we met a couple from Sweden that was driving-camping their way through Iran, and I don’t think an American would be able to do that. I would luv to do just that. What a dream.

    Hotels where we stayed in Tehran, Isfehan, Shiraz, were crowded with conferences from Canada, tourists from Italy, university students from all over the world. Mashad is a very religious, very conservative city, crowded with religious pilgrims, but we were still free to go anywhere we wanted to go.

    I still communicate with several tour agencies that take groups to Iran regularly. Any American who gets the chance should go to Iran. It’s beautiful, the people are beyond hospitable, warm, and of good humor.

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    , @Rurik

    should go to Iran. It’s beautiful, the people are beyond hospitable, warm, and of good humor.
     
    I travel whenever I can. I love to do so, and have dreamed of becoming a travel writer and having a blog, and getting paid to travel!

    It's been my (very limited) experience that what you describe about Iran is true of most places.

    One day I hope to travel all parts of the globe, and be a modern day Marco Polo / Anthony Bourdain. (hey Ron, do you think the Unz Review could use such column? ; )

    I suspect the people of Iran are very much like people all over the world. The young people seem to pine for the freedoms and opportunities that all the technological miracles of the modern world make possible. They seem like an intelligent and pleasant people with an ancient and proud history.

    The tragedy of course is the things they've been subjected to by the Anglo/Zio regime in the last century and the constant sabre rattling today, and perhaps a kneejerk pendulum swing to the religions right to offset the moral sewage that the West had imposed upon them during the Shah's repressive regime.

    (Isn't that funny, to call a regime repressive that wanted to Westernize their women with miniskirts? And if they didn't like it, there was SAVAK.)

    Anyways, your insights and experiences with Iran are a boon to this site SC. And I for one am grateful for your firsthand anecdotal accounts of the place. We in the U.S. hear far too little of what any places outside our iron bubble are like, let alone places like Iran.

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  200. Rurik says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Rurik, Somewhere between one- and three-million refugees from Iraq and Afghanistan have been living in Iran since US starting fighting terrorism in 2003.

    There are some tensions in these communities -- Iran provides primary and secondary school education to those refugees/children, but university education is difficult if not impossible for such a refugee-immigrant.

    Somewhere between one- and three-million refugees from Iraq and Afghanistan have been living in Iran since US starting fighting terrorism in 2003.

    there is no doubt in my mind SC, that the Fiend’s wars have caused unimaginable suffering all across that part of the world.

    I have deep sympathies for Iran, and like Palestine, consider the crimes my government has committed against that country to be an enormity and infamy. I hate what the Zionists have forced us to participate in, and repudiate their evil with my every breath, as you well know.

    Let’s take Ron Paul. (my hero really) Should his grandchildren be forced to pay for the terrible crimes of the fecal government, that Dr. Paul has spent his life heroically trying to rein in?

    Should mechanics in Iowa be forced to see their communities rended apart because of the crimes of Bush, Obama and Hillary?

    If the German people during WWII really were all “willing executioners” ((as some have claimed)) of gays and Jews and gypsies and the disabled and Catholics and Poles- whole sale, as we’ve been led to believe, then perhaps they did deserve to suffer at the end of the war. But the fact is they weren’t. Rather it was a few renegade Germans who occasionally committed atrocities (just as the allies committed atrocities), and so the whole mantra about how the German people (or the American people) are all guilty and must be made to suffer for their crimes, is something I simply reject. I don’t see it. Rather I see a people who’re being lied to 24/7 -from every single media outlet in this country. A people too busy trying to survive to dig under the mountains of mendacity to see what we few with the time on our hands to dig, have figured out. And I just don’t blame them.

    If Trump wants to impose a moratorium on refugees and visas from certain nations that the previous administrations have committed atrocities against, then perhaps that’s simply prudent, no? No less so than Iran having a moratorium on Israeli visas.

    In a sane world, Trump will repudiate the crimes of the Zionists, and the Saudis, and the Turks, and tell Israel to get out of the Golan Heights and respect Syrian sovereignty. He’ll begin a process of reparations to those nations we’ve done such terrible wrongs to, and we’ll trade with all nations and commit crimes against none. A year ago I would have considered such language as beyond laughable, and perhaps it still is, but now, right now, I’m not so sure.

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  201. @SolontoCroesus

    Americans are treated differently if they want to visit.
     
    When I visited Iran in 2008 I applied for a visa through the Pakistan (I think) embassy in DC, since US and Iran do not have diplomatic relations.

    Bush-Cheney had just passed a measure that all Iranians who entered US had to be fingerprinted, so Iran reciprocated, and when we entered Iran at Khomeini airport, we were fingerprinted. It was a joke -- the Iranians who had to print us were embarrassed, and they used plain old ink stamp pads.

    As Americans in Iran we were spectacularly safe -- because if an American got so much as a hangnail the US would come down on Iran like a ton of bricks. I was more afraid of what Bush-Cheney would do to me in Iran.

    I suppose Americans are treated somewhat differently -- we met a couple from Sweden that was driving-camping their way through Iran, and I don't think an American would be able to do that. I would luv to do just that. What a dream.

    Hotels where we stayed in Tehran, Isfehan, Shiraz, were crowded with conferences from Canada, tourists from Italy, university students from all over the world. Mashad is a very religious, very conservative city, crowded with religious pilgrims, but we were still free to go anywhere we wanted to go.

    I still communicate with several tour agencies that take groups to Iran regularly. Any American who gets the chance should go to Iran. It's beautiful, the people are beyond hospitable, warm, and of good humor.

    PS In 2008 Americans traveling to Iran had to have an Iranian guide, or person from Iran who would take responsibility for them. We hired a guide who traveled with us, but now I have friends in Iran so I think I could travel more freely on their vouching for me.

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  202. Rurik says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Americans are treated differently if they want to visit.
     
    When I visited Iran in 2008 I applied for a visa through the Pakistan (I think) embassy in DC, since US and Iran do not have diplomatic relations.

    Bush-Cheney had just passed a measure that all Iranians who entered US had to be fingerprinted, so Iran reciprocated, and when we entered Iran at Khomeini airport, we were fingerprinted. It was a joke -- the Iranians who had to print us were embarrassed, and they used plain old ink stamp pads.

    As Americans in Iran we were spectacularly safe -- because if an American got so much as a hangnail the US would come down on Iran like a ton of bricks. I was more afraid of what Bush-Cheney would do to me in Iran.

    I suppose Americans are treated somewhat differently -- we met a couple from Sweden that was driving-camping their way through Iran, and I don't think an American would be able to do that. I would luv to do just that. What a dream.

    Hotels where we stayed in Tehran, Isfehan, Shiraz, were crowded with conferences from Canada, tourists from Italy, university students from all over the world. Mashad is a very religious, very conservative city, crowded with religious pilgrims, but we were still free to go anywhere we wanted to go.

    I still communicate with several tour agencies that take groups to Iran regularly. Any American who gets the chance should go to Iran. It's beautiful, the people are beyond hospitable, warm, and of good humor.

    should go to Iran. It’s beautiful, the people are beyond hospitable, warm, and of good humor.

    I travel whenever I can. I love to do so, and have dreamed of becoming a travel writer and having a blog, and getting paid to travel!

    It’s been my (very limited) experience that what you describe about Iran is true of most places.

    One day I hope to travel all parts of the globe, and be a modern day Marco Polo / Anthony Bourdain. (hey Ron, do you think the Unz Review could use such column? ; )

    I suspect the people of Iran are very much like people all over the world. The young people seem to pine for the freedoms and opportunities that all the technological miracles of the modern world make possible. They seem like an intelligent and pleasant people with an ancient and proud history.

    The tragedy of course is the things they’ve been subjected to by the Anglo/Zio regime in the last century and the constant sabre rattling today, and perhaps a kneejerk pendulum swing to the religions right to offset the moral sewage that the West had imposed upon them during the Shah’s repressive regime.

    (Isn’t that funny, to call a regime repressive that wanted to Westernize their women with miniskirts? And if they didn’t like it, there was SAVAK.)

    Anyways, your insights and experiences with Iran are a boon to this site SC. And I for one am grateful for your firsthand anecdotal accounts of the place. We in the U.S. hear far too little of what any places outside our iron bubble are like, let alone places like Iran.

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  203. Skeptikal says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    Exactly, thank you. My last comment on the Pizzagate thread noted that commenters such as RodW and Corporal Clegg only began commenting at Unz for that one article alone but then posted many, many times over a short period often using clear disinfo tactics like distraction, ridicule, emotional language, irrational arguments and ad hominem attacks. Neither one of those two (and I'll bet many more - any info an that score Ron?) bothered to comment on any other article.

    Considering the number of interesting articles here at Unz and the commenting patterns of the vast majority of "reasonable" commenters, that is very, very strange and I smelled a rodent, or two. This is potentially a massive chink in the armour of the oppressors and should be probed ruthlessly, at the very least for the sake of children and at the very most for the salvation of the nation itself.

    That seems right to me.
    Namely, aim to open a small window, not the plate glass slider.
    Isn’t this the classic modus operandi in, say, drug investigations?
    Namely, get a small bird to chirp and name a bigger bird, and on up the line, offering immunity at each step of the way, to get ever closer to identifying and trapping the big vultures? I am sure there is a lot more hard info out there in the form of emails/documents/videos than we have seen. But the danger of revealing such secrets must always be kept in clear view. People who “sing” need to be supplied with cover identities or new identities, etc.

    I agree also re RoyB or whatever his handle was and Captain Clegg.
    Their behavior just seemed to mirror the classic troll rhetoric and tricks listed at WhoWhatWhy.

    I have also read recently of the intersect between the MENA wars and pedophile rings and sex slavery in the Gulf States. So young Iraqi and Syrian boys and girls are sold to these Saudi and Qatari creeps. We know their sexual “mores” are . . . totally bent, what with genital mutilation for girls so no normal sexual relations and the widespread practice of keeping young male sex slaves, as was clearly shown in a documentary on this practice—Bachi Baza—among warlords and others in Afghanistan. See

    http://www.care2.com/causes/help-the-dancing-boys-of-afghanistan-escape-the-world-of-bacha-bazi.html

    Would love to see someone to ask Hillary Clinton why she does business with such perverts in order to give them “access” [sneer]. Yuck.

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    PS. Having sold herself to Saudi princes in return for "access," her position is in some ways analogous to that of the poor children sex slaves.

    The difference of course is that she has chosen to make of herself a political prostitute, unlike defenseless children to whose fate as victims of sexual depravity the author of "It Takes a Village" turns a blind eye.
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  204. Skeptikal says:
    @Skeptikal
    That seems right to me.
    Namely, aim to open a small window, not the plate glass slider.
    Isn't this the classic modus operandi in, say, drug investigations?
    Namely, get a small bird to chirp and name a bigger bird, and on up the line, offering immunity at each step of the way, to get ever closer to identifying and trapping the big vultures? I am sure there is a lot more hard info out there in the form of emails/documents/videos than we have seen. But the danger of revealing such secrets must always be kept in clear view. People who "sing" need to be supplied with cover identities or new identities, etc.

    I agree also re RoyB or whatever his handle was and Captain Clegg.
    Their behavior just seemed to mirror the classic troll rhetoric and tricks listed at WhoWhatWhy.

    I have also read recently of the intersect between the MENA wars and pedophile rings and sex slavery in the Gulf States. So young Iraqi and Syrian boys and girls are sold to these Saudi and Qatari creeps. We know their sexual "mores" are . . . totally bent, what with genital mutilation for girls so no normal sexual relations and the widespread practice of keeping young male sex slaves, as was clearly shown in a documentary on this practice---Bachi Baza---among warlords and others in Afghanistan. See
    http://www.care2.com/causes/help-the-dancing-boys-of-afghanistan-escape-the-world-of-bacha-bazi.html
    Would love to see someone to ask Hillary Clinton why she does business with such perverts in order to give them "access" [sneer]. Yuck.

    PS. Having sold herself to Saudi princes in return for “access,” her position is in some ways analogous to that of the poor children sex slaves.

    The difference of course is that she has chosen to make of herself a political prostitute, unlike defenseless children to whose fate as victims of sexual depravity the author of “It Takes a Village” turns a blind eye.

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  205. The CIA has started a teaching course for revolutions in Serbia. Many revolutions started by a Serbian guy teaching how to entrap the police into a violent response, and how to photograph only that violent act against peaceful demonstrators. That guy was in New York a couple of month ago, and in an interview, he admitted that he was behind the Tunisian revolution, the Egyptian revolution, and the Ukrainian revolution, among more than dozen other countries. The report failed to say how about the women march onWashington?

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  206. General Flynn’s Russian involvement investigation has one huge beneficial outcome too ! It exposed like nothing else the blatant politicization of the intelligence community during the last eight years.It also proved how incredibly fake was the Russian dossier against Trump concocted by a British creep and advanced by the partisan American intelligence community under the leadership of Brennan &Co.However,this crude adventure to demonize Trump does no credit to the intelligence capabilities of the entire IC.Keystone cops would have been far more subtle and effective !

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  207. TBone says:

    Trump is already one step ahead of you. Watch and see that his already-announced agenda against vaccines will blow open the facts about military brass testing experimental anthrax vaccines on unwitting troops. The 35000+ servicemen and women suffering permanent damage up to and including paralysis, and their children who suffered SIDS at a rate far exceeding that of the general population, will be a sufficient lightning rod to put the armed forces squarely behind him and put the alphabet agencies on notice that any action against him will be fool’s errand. Add to that the truth a out 911 which saw millions of servicemen deployed, injured and killed in contrived wars made for the benefit of bankers and weapons contractors, and the intelligence services will be left with no option but to dedicate their entire intelligence apparatus to keeping themselves out of jail and ahead of the tide coming to swallow them. Any offensive strategy is effectively out the window. Keep in mind that even when these agencies had full blessing of the ruling administration the Bill Binneys, Edward Snowdens and Tosh Plumlees among them outwitted and exposed them at every turn. “Intelligence Agency” is a classical oxymoron. “Yeah let’s build a ‘top secret’ spy facility that is 4 million s/f, uses half of Utah’s water, has a 2 mile armed perimeter, lights up the desert sky and can be seen from space”. Besides hubris and the ability to waste money, these guys don’t have as much going for them as you suggest they do. Least of all intelligence. Trump will continue to game them and own them. Note that he is also looking to make open carry of firearms legal nationwide. Let’s see how far a few thousand no-intelligence agents want to take things against an armed force of 350 million people who have been all been violated by their theft, dishonesty and invasions of privacy. We are seeing Trumps “make my day” moment coming quickly into focus.

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  208. TBone says:
    @Sam J.
    "...My feeling is that 9/11 is too complex..."

    No this is not true. Building 7 fell the same speed for roughly 108 feet as if it was held up by air...that's right air. There's nothing complicated about that at all. This is not rocket science it's high school physics.

    I have no doubt there's lots more video evidence that's not released.

    True we might not get everyone but in this case those responsible could be tried in a military court and executed as a terrorist act. They passed all these terrorist acts to repress the average American but we can use them on them.

    There are hours of video footage already in the public domain showing clearly that all the footage we saw of the 911 attacks were CGI. Moving buildings, plane wings passing through buildings blocks down the street, reports of WTC 7 falling 15 minutes before it fell. It’s a joke. People can delude themselves into not seeing it but there is no disputing the truth. A plane that is longer than the width of the building doesn’t go completely into one side without coming out the other. A plane hitting the 86th floor of a building does not cause explosions in the basement a 10 minutes before impact. A building struck on the 86th floor does not collapse at free fall speed. A paper passport does not survive INTACT while a concrete and steel building crumbles to dust. Jet fuel fires don’t leave structural steel in a molten state for 2 weeks. Planes don’t swap call numbers in midair over Pennsylvania. And cell phones don’t work at 35000 feet. None of these facts is even open for questioning, much less too complex to answer. So what part of the 911 story is even left for anyone to believe?

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  209. annamaria says:
    @gman
    "One of the most amazing features of this color revolution against Trump is the fact that those behind it don’t give a damn about the damage that their war against Trump does to the institution of the President of the United States and, really, to the United States as a whole."

    oh they very much care about it. it's a bonus. see, their goal is to either 1) own and control america or 2) destroy it. any destruction caused in attempting to regain control of america is simply preparatory damage for destroying it.

    Agree. Here is a Hungarian variation on the same theme:

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/02/01/war-ordinary-americans-paul-craig-roberts/

    “These crowds are the embodiment of hypocrisy. Chanting slogans of “love”, they act out of pure hatred, for power, and refuse to be reasoned with. They refuse to consider facts. They call themselves liberals, but act against liberty through exercising total intolerance”

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  210. @Mr. Anon
    Even the Iranians are in on the 9/11 inside job:

    Tehran High-Rise Collapses Due to Fire

    The Islamic Revolutionary government of Iran cleverly destroyed one of their own buildings to buttress the Great Satan's "official story" - i.e. the one that competent scientists and engineers actually understand, rather than the conspiracy narrative favored by dull-witted cretins.

    That's why the steel frames of skyscrapers are sprayed with thermal insulation - because fire is NOT a problem for them. The building designers are just concerned that the I-beams will catch a chill.

    You truthers are all deluded nitwits.

    The only cretin is YOU.

    A whole new life was breathed into the banking/ military contractor juggernaut post 9/11; a pre-requisite noted in the PNAC report, but it’s audacity lost on your myopic pea- brain.

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  211. […] The Saker believes that Trump is under serious threat of being overthrown and that he must strike first or go down.http://www.unz.com/tsaker/a-color-revolution-is-under-way-in-the-united-states/ […]

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  212. annamaria says:

    More on “progressive” presstitutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=403&v=naoyViqdeyI

    What a mess!

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  213. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @FireCubed
    People, People. Want to see what is really happening in the USA? Look at the electoral Map. Islands of Liberal/Communist Blue in an ocean of American Red.
    Trump is the established orders last chance to right the ship of state.
    Should Trump be removed by violence or fails to halt the destruction of American Ideals , Patriots from the Sea of American Red will exact a terrible price from the perpetrators of violence against America from both within and without. We will not SUBMIT. Ever.
    Pray it never comes to open Civil Warfare.
    God Bless America,now more than ever.

    11BPatriots

    FireCubed- you can bet that joining you will be lots of 11Bs, 03s,18Ds,13Bs, and more.

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  214. @Pat the Rat
    Saker in many ways the "people" were in far better shape in Russia than the "people" in the USA and the rest of the west.

    In Russia people were drenched in propaganda and religion was excluded, their lives were controlled but essentially not corrupted.

    In the west it is a different matter. The "people" have been utterly corrupted with a cultural war which has sought to destroy their virtue and goodness in every way.

    Rather than propaganda the wise and powerful in the west have been far more subtle, they have drenched their lives in violence and porn. They have turned women against their men with feminism. They have destroyed their families with welfare.They have destroyed their faith with TV and film and filled their head with garbage. They have sold their children drugs and made them the prey of evil men. They have destroyed their livelihoods and destroyed their independence with taxes and regulation.

    In short the powerful and wise have been particularly concerned to destroy all virtue in the poorer classes of society. It is hard for overweight drug addicted people with multiple children from multiple marriages who have jobs serving others and living in violent crime ridden communities to feel any power to fight back.

    God came to earth as a poor man and child in Jesus to shame the wise and powerful. Herod reacted by trying to kill the children before they could grow.

    That is what our wise and powerful do now, they are seeking to destroy and warp all those that might be a threat to their wealth. It is why they are so aghast at Trump.

    When God comes back to earth, it will not be as a righteous poor man, the rich are destroying them. Instead God will come back in anger. Watch out!

    I don't think the "people" can win here, but many are now realizing what they are up against. Trump is a rich man who has had everything except virtue and meaning in his life. He is looking to be remembered and for salvation.

    The wise and powerful will simply redouble their efforts to ensure the communities or the "people" are flooded with drugs and porn, that men and women are turned against each other, that crime is unpunished and the communities are flooded with graffiti, violent men, thieves, and that children are taken away and marriages destroyed. They will try to restrict or warp their information. They have overlooked that in recent times.

    Agreed, the morals and goodness of humanity are being constantly eroded. Is it by the powerful? Maybe, just look at the whole promotion of homosexuality and everything else you talk about. I think it is more the face of the evil forces who infiltrate humanity, and I see in the youth of today such lack of thinking capacity due to education, technology etc. it is frightening. As a teacher, I could see a consistent decline, with many more damaged children with each year.

    Evil has taken the upper hand as technology progresses, and it will take some God given event to change it. Choice is ours, to fall prey, or to get off the tv. addiction or whatever it is, and get back to a moral Christ centred life.

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  215. @Excal
    Spend a few days hiking around L.A. You'll meet those elusive individuals.

    Up where you are, the Chinese are too polite to get much involved, and the Indians just want to get rich. Not so the Mexicans in SoCal. Unlike white people, they take the reconquista seriously.

    The whites no longer have the numbers to matter anyway. Years ago, they started getting stoned, stopped having children, lost their towns, and fled to Oregon and Washington and Arizona and Atlanta.

    And the Jews don't much care -- they made California, and they'll go on owning most of the real estate downtown no matter who's running the place, especially if it's the Mexicans.

    Let’s explore that for a moment, shall we?

    Up where you are, the Chinese are too polite to get much involved,

    Heh! You haven’t met some of my Chinese friends, some of them can dish it out with the best of them. Be as it may, being polite doesn’t stop them from loving being in the US rather than in a much smaller country of California. Silicon Valley is full of Chinese, as is the city of San Francisco. After reading your post, I asked one of my Chinese friends whether she would support California seceding from the union. She looked at me as if I had lost all my marbles and said: “What the f*ck for?” – it is a sample of one, but I bet she is pretty representative.

    and the Indians just want to get rich

    Well, who doesn’t? You can count me in as well. I don’t expect them to be any more supportive of secession than the next person. They are smart, respected, and well-paid and have a great life here. I don’t think any of them wants to rock the gravy boat. They have a good thing going here – why would they want to jeopardize that by flirting with secession?

    Not so the Mexicans in SoCal. Unlike white people, they take the reconquista seriously.

    Maybe they do and maybe they don’t. They don’t command a lot of political influence, although they could become a significant voting block based on their numbers. I don’t discount the possibility of their instigating something along those lines, but somehow I doubt it. A large number of them are illegal and loath to draw attention to themselves and risk the ire of the immigra, but I will concede that you may have a point there.

    The whites no longer have the numbers to matter anyway. Years ago, they started getting stoned, stopped having children, lost their towns, and fled to Oregon and Washington and Arizona and Atlanta.

    Well, this could be true for LA, I don’t know, but it certainly isn’t true up here. Most of us love our City by the Bay, and the electric energy emanating from Silicon Valley, and wouldn’t think of moving to Oregon or WA. While we bitch and moan about our country going astray, not one of us would want to live anywhere else.

    And the Jews don’t much care — they made California, and they’ll go on owning most of the real estate downtown no matter who’s running the place, especially if it’s the Mexicans.

    Au contraire, mon frére! They care more than any. They control the US – why would they wish to reduce their sphere of control to just California? Oh no, world domination is where they are headed. They want “greater Israel” without borders because that would limit their capacity to annex the rest of the world. Reduce their territories? Not in a million years, unless kicked out by force!

    So, I retain my original stance of calling BS on the entire California seceding non-story.

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    Kindly allow me to contribute my humble 2c worth. First, California is about the sixth or seventh largest economy in the world. It is also quite diversified. It could at some point see itself held back by the other states, but it is hard for me to conceive of actual succession.

    I always thought that it probably should be two states, North and South, but then there's the enormous economic powerhouse of the central rural valleys to weigh in so perhaps it should be three. Each is remarkably different from the others and much more than in most of the other states. Also California has attracted the most extremes of all types for most of its existence, they don't say it's the land of fruits, nuts and flakes for nothing.

    There definitely is a reconquista mindset is So Cal, it's fueled on a deep rooted anger, distrust, resentment, jealousy, and more besides. (This why the Mexican flag is often waved along with the Mexican flag even though the bearer is an American, of Mexican descent) It is a problem and I'd say it is growing rather than receding. My opinion is that LA is a racial tinderbox for real. I don't think of No Cal that way very much at all.

    , @Excal

    After reading your post, I asked one of my Chinese friends whether she would support California seceding from the union. She looked at me as if I had lost all my marbles and said: “What the f*ck for?” – it is a sample of one, but I bet she is pretty representative.
     
    That's precisely my point about the Chinese. They seem naturally more inclined to work with the tide than against it (not an altogether unintelligent strategy). I know they can have strong opinions -- my statement may have been a bit obtuse -- but your friend's reaction was, in my opinion, precisely on form.

    [The Indians] have a good thing going here – why would they want to jeopardize that by flirting with secession?
     
    Another point of complete agreement! Obviously the Indians are another group who have nothing to gain from rocking the boat, let alone something as mad as secession.

    [The Mexicans] don’t command a lot of political influence, although they could become a significant voting block based on their numbers.
     
    I saw enough of their influence in parts of LA to take them quite seriously politically. In many of LA's suburbs, they don't have any choice -- there's nobody else there!

    However, the Mexicans strike me as temperamentally unrevolutionary. They could perhaps wield a great deal more influence than they do, but to put it crudely, they don't feel like it -- not even in Mexico itself. I'm sure the fondest wish of the usual Trotskyites here in the US is to stir up the Mexicans to violence against their "white oppressors", but that's much harder to do than it may look.

    As a voting bloc, though, the Mexicans can be formidable. They have a strong sense of duty, and if a credible leader tells them how to vote, they'll do it. This is perhaps less evident up north, where they are indeed much weaker, but from roughly Salinas to Orange County, it's very much a thing, and they certainly aren't voting Republican.

    Well, this could be true for LA, I don’t know, but it certainly isn’t true up here.
     
    I can well believe it. I didn't see the same abandonment up in the Bay Area as I saw in LA. I (mostly) like the Bay Area too, and I'm sure I'd greatly enjoy living there (though I had a good time in LA too).

    I've fancied that if California were to secede, it wouldn't be the whole state -- it would be the southern half, along with much of Arizona and New Mexico. But I'm not betting on that any more than I'm betting on Italy or Germany to split into north and south.

    Au contraire, mon frére! [The Jews] care more than any. They control the US – why would they wish to reduce their sphere of control to just California?
     
    They may care on one level, out of expediency; but if they rule the US, they'd still rule the divided US. That's what I meant -- they'll be where they want to be either way.

    So, I retain my original stance of calling BS on the entire California seceding non-story.
     
    Of course the secession stories are utter tabloid rubbish. I didn't mean to imply otherwise. California's not leaving the union any time soon (touch wood!). If it were somehow to happen, it wouldn't start from within California: it would have to begin with the collapse of the US federal government.

    But that doesn't change the fact that a certain sentiment is there, mainly in the south, and it's held by a surprising number of people -- people who bear a much stronger cultural allegiance to their ancestral homeland, a few hundred miles south, than to the nation they live in. That part is very real.

    Perhaps it will dissipate with time -- at base it's really just a romantic sentiment, so it's quite possible, even likely, that it will never metastasize. Not altogether unlike the southern US, now that I think of it.

    In fact, based on my experience of the rather easy-going Mexicans, I find I'm inclined to bet against metastasis. (If they were Irish, perhaps not.) But history has been known to surprise now and again.
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  216. @Cloak And Dagger
    Let's explore that for a moment, shall we?


    Up where you are, the Chinese are too polite to get much involved,

     

    Heh! You haven't met some of my Chinese friends, some of them can dish it out with the best of them. Be as it may, being polite doesn't stop them from loving being in the US rather than in a much smaller country of California. Silicon Valley is full of Chinese, as is the city of San Francisco. After reading your post, I asked one of my Chinese friends whether she would support California seceding from the union. She looked at me as if I had lost all my marbles and said: "What the f*ck for?" - it is a sample of one, but I bet she is pretty representative.


    and the Indians just want to get rich

     

    Well, who doesn't? You can count me in as well. I don't expect them to be any more supportive of secession than the next person. They are smart, respected, and well-paid and have a great life here. I don't think any of them wants to rock the gravy boat. They have a good thing going here - why would they want to jeopardize that by flirting with secession?

    Not so the Mexicans in SoCal. Unlike white people, they take the reconquista seriously.

     

    Maybe they do and maybe they don't. They don't command a lot of political influence, although they could become a significant voting block based on their numbers. I don't discount the possibility of their instigating something along those lines, but somehow I doubt it. A large number of them are illegal and loath to draw attention to themselves and risk the ire of the immigra, but I will concede that you may have a point there.

    The whites no longer have the numbers to matter anyway. Years ago, they started getting stoned, stopped having children, lost their towns, and fled to Oregon and Washington and Arizona and Atlanta.
     
    Well, this could be true for LA, I don't know, but it certainly isn't true up here. Most of us love our City by the Bay, and the electric energy emanating from Silicon Valley, and wouldn't think of moving to Oregon or WA. While we bitch and moan about our country going astray, not one of us would want to live anywhere else.


    And the Jews don’t much care — they made California, and they’ll go on owning most of the real estate downtown no matter who’s running the place, especially if it’s the Mexicans.
     
    Au contraire, mon frére! They care more than any. They control the US - why would they wish to reduce their sphere of control to just California? Oh no, world domination is where they are headed. They want "greater Israel" without borders because that would limit their capacity to annex the rest of the world. Reduce their territories? Not in a million years, unless kicked out by force!

    So, I retain my original stance of calling BS on the entire California seceding non-story.

    Kindly allow me to contribute my humble 2c worth. First, California is about the sixth or seventh largest economy in the world. It is also quite diversified. It could at some point see itself held back by the other states, but it is hard for me to conceive of actual succession.

    I always thought that it probably should be two states, North and South, but then there’s the enormous economic powerhouse of the central rural valleys to weigh in so perhaps it should be three. Each is remarkably different from the others and much more than in most of the other states. Also California has attracted the most extremes of all types for most of its existence, they don’t say it’s the land of fruits, nuts and flakes for nothing.

    There definitely is a reconquista mindset is So Cal, it’s fueled on a deep rooted anger, distrust, resentment, jealousy, and more besides. (This why the Mexican flag is often waved along with the Mexican flag even though the bearer is an American, of Mexican descent) It is a problem and I’d say it is growing rather than receding. My opinion is that LA is a racial tinderbox for real. I don’t think of No Cal that way very much at all.

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    There definitely is a reconquista mindset is So Cal, it’s fueled on a deep rooted anger, distrust, resentment, jealousy, and more besides. (This why the Mexican flag is often waved along with the Mexican flag even though the bearer is an American, of Mexican descent) It is a problem and I’d say it is growing rather than receding. My opinion is that LA is a racial tinderbox for real. I don’t think of No Cal that way very much at all.
     
    I try to avoid getting involved in comment-threads and I'm still totally preoccupied with my software work, but I noticed a few of these comments about California, and felt I had to correct some of the *severe* misconceptions.

    (1) I've lived in CA nearly my whole life and racial/ethnic issues are one of my main specialties, a subject about which I've published hundreds of thousands of words.

    (2) The notion of CA trying to secede is just a joke, and the odds are roughly zero. The notion of CA's Hispanic plurality, edging towards a Hispanic majority, having a "reconquista mindset" is just as ridiculous, let alone LA being "a racial tinderbox." I assume you picked it up by reading "excited" anti-immigration fringe activists, but frankly they don't have a clue and almost everything they say is total nonsense. Believing what e.g. VDare says on immigration/immigrant issues is *vastly* more absurd than believing all those MSM pundits who claimed that Hillary had a 99% chance of winning or that Trump is a Russian puppet.

    (3) Racial/ethnic tension in CA these days is *extremely* low, close to nil I'd say, at least with the exception of blacks, but the latter are only 6% of the population, by far the lowest of any large state. Functionally, the politics of CA isn't much different than what you'd find in a state that was 6% black and 94% white. The Republican Party no longer really exists and the Democrats have a supermajority and hold all offices, while the politics are very liberal. But since the Republicans have essentially become a minor party like the Greens, they actually get along reasonably well with the Democrats these days.

    (4) Someone else mentioned that the CA Mexicans/Hispanics don't have much political influence, but that's greatly out of date. The leaders of the Assembly and State Senate are both Mex-Ams, as is the new Attorney General, as well as (sort of) the mayor of Los Angeles not to mention the previous mayor. Lots and lots of other elected officials are also Hispanic. Overall, Hispanics roughly hold political power comparable to their voting population, though obviously with a considerable time-lag since many of the top white officeholders have been in politics for 30-40 years.

    (5) Anyway, if anyone wants to read my analysis on these matters in much more detail, here's a link to an article I published a few years ago, plus a couple of older articles from around 1999, when the political situation in CA was totally different:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/

    http://www.unz.com/runz/california-and-the-end-of-white-america/

    http://www.unz.com/runz/how-the-republicans-lost-california-wsj/
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  217. Unfortunately the children of the US are brainwashed from kindergarten right through college years. The public education continues to dumb these folks down, in areas of current events as well as history. Look at most of the ages in these marches–18-30 years old and several older folks getting paid from Georgie.
    You’re right about the danger Mr. Trump is in. I believe he has his own paid guards as well as those supplied by the US. I do believe he understands the deceitfulness from those in high government positions and will work extra hours to “drain the swamp”. After all, he did fire the acting AG.
    Perhaps he’ll get education returned to the states. It’s a start. Eliminate common core and get his gal confirmed as head of DOE.
    All of these department heads will need the CYA file out at all times. What a shame.
    Thanks for a great editorial. Keep it up

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  218. @Peetee
    God never intended evil to enter the world.

    Woops……Satin is let loose—-Revelation??

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  219. Ron Unz says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    Kindly allow me to contribute my humble 2c worth. First, California is about the sixth or seventh largest economy in the world. It is also quite diversified. It could at some point see itself held back by the other states, but it is hard for me to conceive of actual succession.

    I always thought that it probably should be two states, North and South, but then there's the enormous economic powerhouse of the central rural valleys to weigh in so perhaps it should be three. Each is remarkably different from the others and much more than in most of the other states. Also California has attracted the most extremes of all types for most of its existence, they don't say it's the land of fruits, nuts and flakes for nothing.

    There definitely is a reconquista mindset is So Cal, it's fueled on a deep rooted anger, distrust, resentment, jealousy, and more besides. (This why the Mexican flag is often waved along with the Mexican flag even though the bearer is an American, of Mexican descent) It is a problem and I'd say it is growing rather than receding. My opinion is that LA is a racial tinderbox for real. I don't think of No Cal that way very much at all.

    There definitely is a reconquista mindset is So Cal, it’s fueled on a deep rooted anger, distrust, resentment, jealousy, and more besides. (This why the Mexican flag is often waved along with the Mexican flag even though the bearer is an American, of Mexican descent) It is a problem and I’d say it is growing rather than receding. My opinion is that LA is a racial tinderbox for real. I don’t think of No Cal that way very much at all.

    I try to avoid getting involved in comment-threads and I’m still totally preoccupied with my software work, but I noticed a few of these comments about California, and felt I had to correct some of the *severe* misconceptions.

    (1) I’ve lived in CA nearly my whole life and racial/ethnic issues are one of my main specialties, a subject about which I’ve published hundreds of thousands of words.

    (2) The notion of CA trying to secede is just a joke, and the odds are roughly zero. The notion of CA’s Hispanic plurality, edging towards a Hispanic majority, having a “reconquista mindset” is just as ridiculous, let alone LA being “a racial tinderbox.” I assume you picked it up by reading “excited” anti-immigration fringe activists, but frankly they don’t have a clue and almost everything they say is total nonsense. Believing what e.g. VDare says on immigration/immigrant issues is *vastly* more absurd than believing all those MSM pundits who claimed that Hillary had a 99% chance of winning or that Trump is a Russian puppet.

    (3) Racial/ethnic tension in CA these days is *extremely* low, close to nil I’d say, at least with the exception of blacks, but the latter are only 6% of the population, by far the lowest of any large state. Functionally, the politics of CA isn’t much different than what you’d find in a state that was 6% black and 94% white. The Republican Party no longer really exists and the Democrats have a supermajority and hold all offices, while the politics are very liberal. But since the Republicans have essentially become a minor party like the Greens, they actually get along reasonably well with the Democrats these days.

    (4) Someone else mentioned that the CA Mexicans/Hispanics don’t have much political influence, but that’s greatly out of date. The leaders of the Assembly and State Senate are both Mex-Ams, as is the new Attorney General, as well as (sort of) the mayor of Los Angeles not to mention the previous mayor. Lots and lots of other elected officials are also Hispanic. Overall, Hispanics roughly hold political power comparable to their voting population, though obviously with a considerable time-lag since many of the top white officeholders have been in politics for 30-40 years.

    (5) Anyway, if anyone wants to read my analysis on these matters in much more detail, here’s a link to an article I published a few years ago, plus a couple of older articles from around 1999, when the political situation in CA was totally different:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/

    http://www.unz.com/runz/california-and-the-end-of-white-america/

    http://www.unz.com/runz/how-the-republicans-lost-california-wsj/

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    Functionally, the politics of CA isn’t much different than what you’d find in a state that was 6% black and 94% white. The Republican Party no longer really exists and the Democrats have a supermajority and hold all offices, while the politics are very liberal
     
    isn't the above somewhat contradictory? Especially considering the voting proclivities in this age of Trump, where whites are finally starting to vote along their ethnic interests as well.

    But since the Republicans have essentially become a minor party like the Greens, they actually get along reasonably well with the Democrats these days.
     
    get along reasonably well = capitulated, submitted, surrendered, are meek and pliant ?

    From your 2011 article:

    But after a few years had gone by, most whites concluded that their new neighbors seemed like pretty reasonable people, not too different from themselves, and racial concerns dropped to the lower levels of most public opinion surveys, usually ranking below jobs, housing, healthcare, and sometimes even traffic.
     
    is some of that indifference perhaps due to many of the whites being ethnically cleasned from the formerly white communities?

    I've been to California a few times, and know some people who live there, but I'm more familiar with S. Florida, and Miami in particular, with regard to these issues, and one of the things that are resoundingly clear about Miami and the Hispanic influx, is that whitey is soon ethnically cleansed out of his neighborhoods as the Hispanic move in and transform the place. Soon the language is Spanish and the music playing from the houses and cars is Salsa. The white denizens feel alienated and move on.

    Check out this dot map of racial demographics in America.

    http://www.nytimes.com/projects/census/2010/explorer.html

    If you zoom out, and move it over Miami (and its southern and western [formerly white] neighborhoods), you can see just how effectively whitey's been driven out. But there are pitiful holdouts and the odd elderly person who're too poor or unable to move on, and their houses stand as lone islands of the once all pervasive white folks that used to inhabit Hialeah and the rest of that area- until Jimmy Carter invited Castro to empty out his jails and asylums and began the process of ethnically cleansing the white Americans from their former neighborhoods. If you watched the 2016 Miami New Year's Eve celebrations, there wasn't one white performer on stage. Not one, unless you count Pit-bull, and he's Hispanic, of course.

    and racial concerns dropped to the lower levels of most public opinion surveys,

     

    also, as I'm sure you're aware, if you ask white people if they have any angst over changing racial demographics, you'll find that few whites want to answer in the affirmative, because who wants to be aligned with the KKK or sympathetic to Nazis and bigots? White people are very much loath to admit to harboring any anti-immigrant or minority sympathies whatsoever, and so if you ask them, 'are you at all bothered by the influx and changing racial character of your state with the Hispanic immigrants?' I suspect that in many places they'll tweak their response to come off as less than KKK/Davd Duke/Adolf Hitler.

    Anyways, just wanted to respond to your post, being as you've given this all a lot of consideration and ink, so to speak.

    It does seem to be the issue of the day, what with Trump's language about the border and moratoriums and such.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    Ron, thanks for taking the time to reply. I did state that I didn't think CA would secede but if my assessment sounded negative allow me to add that CA is a truly amazing state.

    We'll have to disagree on the matter of whether LA is a tinderbox or not. I think it is. There are lots of splendid enclaves in LA but that's what they are and I spent enough time there to have felt the resentment enough times to know it's real.

    I hope I'm wrong but there have been precedents and the numbers from S of the border including central America have increased exponentially to where there are more 'no go' areas and ever more gang affiliations. I'm no prophet but I believe any one of a million incidents, accidental or contrived, could provide the spark to set it off.
    , @Prisca morrow

    Functionally, the politics of CA isn’t much different than what you’d find in a state that was 6% black and 94% white. The Republican Party no longer really exists and the Democrats have a supermajority and hold all offices, while the politics are very liberal. But since the Republicans have essentially become a minor party like the Greens, they actually get along reasonably well with the Democrats these days.
     
    The Republican Party wouldn't be a minor party like the Greens in a 6% black and 94% white State. It would be that in a Hispanic majority, White minority State. Seems like the two are a little different, functionally.
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  220. Dissenter says:
    @Longfisher
    Ummm, generally speaking, I enjoy reading the Saker. And, mostly I find his remarks and opinions well-founded. Finally, I appreciate his point of view as it's so very different from most others, including what might be described as the American counter-deep state opinion writers.

    But this article, is troublesome to me.

    I tend to agree that Mr. Trump best avoid grassy knolls and open convertible roofs. And, I tend to agree that the intelligence agencies are, have been and will well into the future be the greatest actual and proximal threat to the nation.

    But some of Saker's forecasting and recommendations in this article seem, well, over the top, nonsensical and outlandish. A TV channel, indeed?

    Come back to earth Saker. Make sense again.

    LF

    Indeed, and all these “analyst”s what are trying to do is spreeding fear and distrust. First, it was fear of a nuclear war, now that this danger is over, it is fear of a civil war, the thing is getting people scared without rest so as to give up trying to get a real democratic society where all people is accountable, including oligarchs suppossedly saviors of the working class who does not pledge to show their tax record.

    Also agree with SteveRogers42 in that Breitbart News Network will be on air in less than we could wait, as the Official Bulletin of the Trump´s administration and that many outlets and blogs out there which seemed to be created with whatever aims, will become their subsidiary tools. In fact, many have evolved quite strangely since the election day and even previous months, as The Saker´s site itself, which have become under a harsh censure, not publishing anything which could criticize Mattis or Flynn. Why?

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  221. […] The Saker believes that Trump is under serious threat of being overthrown and that he must strike first or go down. http://www.unz.com/tsaker/a-color-revolution-is-under-way-in-the-united-states/ […]

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  222. Rurik says:
    @Ron Unz

    There definitely is a reconquista mindset is So Cal, it’s fueled on a deep rooted anger, distrust, resentment, jealousy, and more besides. (This why the Mexican flag is often waved along with the Mexican flag even though the bearer is an American, of Mexican descent) It is a problem and I’d say it is growing rather than receding. My opinion is that LA is a racial tinderbox for real. I don’t think of No Cal that way very much at all.
     
    I try to avoid getting involved in comment-threads and I'm still totally preoccupied with my software work, but I noticed a few of these comments about California, and felt I had to correct some of the *severe* misconceptions.

    (1) I've lived in CA nearly my whole life and racial/ethnic issues are one of my main specialties, a subject about which I've published hundreds of thousands of words.

    (2) The notion of CA trying to secede is just a joke, and the odds are roughly zero. The notion of CA's Hispanic plurality, edging towards a Hispanic majority, having a "reconquista mindset" is just as ridiculous, let alone LA being "a racial tinderbox." I assume you picked it up by reading "excited" anti-immigration fringe activists, but frankly they don't have a clue and almost everything they say is total nonsense. Believing what e.g. VDare says on immigration/immigrant issues is *vastly* more absurd than believing all those MSM pundits who claimed that Hillary had a 99% chance of winning or that Trump is a Russian puppet.

    (3) Racial/ethnic tension in CA these days is *extremely* low, close to nil I'd say, at least with the exception of blacks, but the latter are only 6% of the population, by far the lowest of any large state. Functionally, the politics of CA isn't much different than what you'd find in a state that was 6% black and 94% white. The Republican Party no longer really exists and the Democrats have a supermajority and hold all offices, while the politics are very liberal. But since the Republicans have essentially become a minor party like the Greens, they actually get along reasonably well with the Democrats these days.

    (4) Someone else mentioned that the CA Mexicans/Hispanics don't have much political influence, but that's greatly out of date. The leaders of the Assembly and State Senate are both Mex-Ams, as is the new Attorney General, as well as (sort of) the mayor of Los Angeles not to mention the previous mayor. Lots and lots of other elected officials are also Hispanic. Overall, Hispanics roughly hold political power comparable to their voting population, though obviously with a considerable time-lag since many of the top white officeholders have been in politics for 30-40 years.

    (5) Anyway, if anyone wants to read my analysis on these matters in much more detail, here's a link to an article I published a few years ago, plus a couple of older articles from around 1999, when the political situation in CA was totally different:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/

    http://www.unz.com/runz/california-and-the-end-of-white-america/

    http://www.unz.com/runz/how-the-republicans-lost-california-wsj/

    Functionally, the politics of CA isn’t much different than what you’d find in a state that was 6% black and 94% white. The Republican Party no longer really exists and the Democrats have a supermajority and hold all offices, while the politics are very liberal

    isn’t the above somewhat contradictory? Especially considering the voting proclivities in this age of Trump, where whites are finally starting to vote along their ethnic interests as well.

    But since the Republicans have essentially become a minor party like the Greens, they actually get along reasonably well with the Democrats these days.

    get along reasonably well = capitulated, submitted, surrendered, are meek and pliant ?

    From your 2011 article:

    But after a few years had gone by, most whites concluded that their new neighbors seemed like pretty reasonable people, not too different from themselves, and racial concerns dropped to the lower levels of most public opinion surveys, usually ranking below jobs, housing, healthcare, and sometimes even traffic.

    is some of that indifference perhaps due to many of the whites being ethnically cleasned from the formerly white communities?

    I’ve been to California a few times, and know some people who live there, but I’m more familiar with S. Florida, and Miami in particular, with regard to these issues, and one of the things that are resoundingly clear about Miami and the Hispanic influx, is that whitey is soon ethnically cleansed out of his neighborhoods as the Hispanic move in and transform the place. Soon the language is Spanish and the music playing from the houses and cars is Salsa. The white denizens feel alienated and move on.

    Check out this dot map of racial demographics in America.

    http://www.nytimes.com/projects/census/2010/explorer.html

    If you zoom out, and move it over Miami (and its southern and western [formerly white] neighborhoods), you can see just how effectively whitey’s been driven out. But there are pitiful holdouts and the odd elderly person who’re too poor or unable to move on, and their houses stand as lone islands of the once all pervasive white folks that used to inhabit Hialeah and the rest of that area- until Jimmy Carter invited Castro to empty out his jails and asylums and began the process of ethnically cleansing the white Americans from their former neighborhoods. If you watched the 2016 Miami New Year’s Eve celebrations, there wasn’t one white performer on stage. Not one, unless you count Pit-bull, and he’s Hispanic, of course.

    and racial concerns dropped to the lower levels of most public opinion surveys,

    also, as I’m sure you’re aware, if you ask white people if they have any angst over changing racial demographics, you’ll find that few whites want to answer in the affirmative, because who wants to be aligned with the KKK or sympathetic to Nazis and bigots? White people are very much loath to admit to harboring any anti-immigrant or minority sympathies whatsoever, and so if you ask them, ‘are you at all bothered by the influx and changing racial character of your state with the Hispanic immigrants?’ I suspect that in many places they’ll tweak their response to come off as less than KKK/Davd Duke/Adolf Hitler.

    Anyways, just wanted to respond to your post, being as you’ve given this all a lot of consideration and ink, so to speak.

    It does seem to be the issue of the day, what with Trump’s language about the border and moratoriums and such.

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    But since the Republicans have essentially become a minor party like the Greens, they actually get along reasonably well with the Democrats these days.
     
    get along reasonably well = capitulated, submitted, surrendered, are meek and pliant?
     
    Yes, pretty much so, since they hold zero political power. For example, a liberal longtime Latino Congressman was just nominated to be AG, and during the confirmation hearings, the Republicans mostly said that he seemed a nice guy and they agreed to go out for a beer some time. At the end, every single Republican voted against his confirmation, but since there are so few of them, it made no difference and nobody cared.

    also, as I’m sure you’re aware, if you ask white people if they have any angst over changing racial demographics, you’ll find that few whites want to answer in the affirmative, because who wants to be aligned with the KKK or sympathetic to Nazis and bigots? White people are very much loath to admit to harboring any anti-immigrant or minority sympathies whatsoever, and so if you ask them, ‘are you at all bothered by the influx and changing racial character of your state with the Hispanic immigrants?’ I suspect that in many places they’ll tweak their response to come off as less than KKK/Davd Duke/Adolf Hitler.
     
    I doubt that the polls are misleading. To quote from my article:

    Outmatched financially, Poizner was forced to refocus on right-wing primary voters, and as a highly opportunistic fellow, he decided to ride the national tidal wave of anti-immigration fears then sweeping across the country and make it the centerpiece of his campaign, eventually spending $25 million of his own money on the effort.

    The result was that he lost the primary by 40 points. When you run as an immigration hard-liner, spend $25 million on your race, and lose by 40 points among the hard-core conservatives who dominate Republican primaries, you’re clearly selling the dog food that dogs just won’t eat. These days, anti-immigration candidacies in California possess about as much resonance as anti-papist candidacies in Massachusetts.
     
    The point is that although CA is only about 30-35% white, the politics is much more like liberal, ultra-white Vermont or Iowa than Mississippi. Trump's immigration rhetoric had almost no resonance among CA whites.
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    Functionally, the politics of CA isn’t much different than what you’d find in a state that was 6% black and 94% white. The Republican Party no longer really exists and the Democrats have a supermajority and hold all offices, while the politics are very liberal
     
    isn't the above somewhat contradictory? Especially considering the voting proclivities in this age of Trump, where whites are finally starting to vote along their ethnic interests as well.

    But since the Republicans have essentially become a minor party like the Greens, they actually get along reasonably well with the Democrats these days.
     
    get along reasonably well = capitulated, submitted, surrendered, are meek and pliant ?

    From your 2011 article:

    But after a few years had gone by, most whites concluded that their new neighbors seemed like pretty reasonable people, not too different from themselves, and racial concerns dropped to the lower levels of most public opinion surveys, usually ranking below jobs, housing, healthcare, and sometimes even traffic.
     
    is some of that indifference perhaps due to many of the whites being ethnically cleasned from the formerly white communities?

    I've been to California a few times, and know some people who live there, but I'm more familiar with S. Florida, and Miami in particular, with regard to these issues, and one of the things that are resoundingly clear about Miami and the Hispanic influx, is that whitey is soon ethnically cleansed out of his neighborhoods as the Hispanic move in and transform the place. Soon the language is Spanish and the music playing from the houses and cars is Salsa. The white denizens feel alienated and move on.

    Check out this dot map of racial demographics in America.

    http://www.nytimes.com/projects/census/2010/explorer.html

    If you zoom out, and move it over Miami (and its southern and western [formerly white] neighborhoods), you can see just how effectively whitey's been driven out. But there are pitiful holdouts and the odd elderly person who're too poor or unable to move on, and their houses stand as lone islands of the once all pervasive white folks that used to inhabit Hialeah and the rest of that area- until Jimmy Carter invited Castro to empty out his jails and asylums and began the process of ethnically cleansing the white Americans from their former neighborhoods. If you watched the 2016 Miami New Year's Eve celebrations, there wasn't one white performer on stage. Not one, unless you count Pit-bull, and he's Hispanic, of course.

    and racial concerns dropped to the lower levels of most public opinion surveys,

     

    also, as I'm sure you're aware, if you ask white people if they have any angst over changing racial demographics, you'll find that few whites want to answer in the affirmative, because who wants to be aligned with the KKK or sympathetic to Nazis and bigots? White people are very much loath to admit to harboring any anti-immigrant or minority sympathies whatsoever, and so if you ask them, 'are you at all bothered by the influx and changing racial character of your state with the Hispanic immigrants?' I suspect that in many places they'll tweak their response to come off as less than KKK/Davd Duke/Adolf Hitler.

    Anyways, just wanted to respond to your post, being as you've given this all a lot of consideration and ink, so to speak.

    It does seem to be the issue of the day, what with Trump's language about the border and moratoriums and such.

    But since the Republicans have essentially become a minor party like the Greens, they actually get along reasonably well with the Democrats these days.

    get along reasonably well = capitulated, submitted, surrendered, are meek and pliant?

    Yes, pretty much so, since they hold zero political power. For example, a liberal longtime Latino Congressman was just nominated to be AG, and during the confirmation hearings, the Republicans mostly said that he seemed a nice guy and they agreed to go out for a beer some time. At the end, every single Republican voted against his confirmation, but since there are so few of them, it made no difference and nobody cared.

    also, as I’m sure you’re aware, if you ask white people if they have any angst over changing racial demographics, you’ll find that few whites want to answer in the affirmative, because who wants to be aligned with the KKK or sympathetic to Nazis and bigots? White people are very much loath to admit to harboring any anti-immigrant or minority sympathies whatsoever, and so if you ask them, ‘are you at all bothered by the influx and changing racial character of your state with the Hispanic immigrants?’ I suspect that in many places they’ll tweak their response to come off as less than KKK/Davd Duke/Adolf Hitler.

    I doubt that the polls are misleading. To quote from my article:

    Outmatched financially, Poizner was forced to refocus on right-wing primary voters, and as a highly opportunistic fellow, he decided to ride the national tidal wave of anti-immigration fears then sweeping across the country and make it the centerpiece of his campaign, eventually spending $25 million of his own money on the effort.

    The result was that he lost the primary by 40 points. When you run as an immigration hard-liner, spend $25 million on your race, and lose by 40 points among the hard-core conservatives who dominate Republican primaries, you’re clearly selling the dog food that dogs just won’t eat. These days, anti-immigration candidacies in California possess about as much resonance as anti-papist candidacies in Massachusetts.

    The point is that although CA is only about 30-35% white, the politics is much more like liberal, ultra-white Vermont or Iowa than Mississippi. Trump’s immigration rhetoric had almost no resonance among CA whites.

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    Trump’s immigration rhetoric had almost no resonance among CA whites.
     
    why do you suppose that is?

    resignation perhaps?

    why go from voting for prop 187, to being sanguine about their minority status?

    or do you suppose that for most California whites, living in a white minority, permanent Democrat state really is of no consequence on their day to day lives?

    (I'm sure if I'd read the length and breath of the research and analysis you've dedicated to this issue, I wouldn't have to trouble you with such queries, but then perhaps there are others here that might benefit, no?)

    what do most Californians feel about the sanctuary cities?

    what do they think of things like Kate's law?

    - I know what certain demographics think about such things and the few people I know that live there, but not the general milieu of the California electorate / academia / elites.

    (btw, I know you're a super busy guy Mr. Unz, so I don't want you to feel I'm badgering you on your own website. Especially since you're likely to just say 'if you want to know what I've researched, then read my damn articles!)

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