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That’s Dr. Donna Zuckerberg, Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg’s sister, declaring this week that her online classics magazine Eidolon won’t tolerate dissenting opinions anymore.

From Eidolon:

Welcome to the New Eidolon!

Where’s the Diversity?

Donna Zuckerberg
Silicon Valley-based Classics scholar. Editor of Eidolon.
Aug 21

Today, as the moon temporarily blots out the sun, marks the beginning of Eidolon’s second chapter. …

First, we’ve completely rewritten our mission statement to reflect how we feel Eidolon’s mission has changed since we first launched. …

Part of our revamped mission is an open confirmation of something that will already have been obvious to regular readers: Eidolon is now a space for unapologetic progressive and inclusive approaches to Classics. Our goal is to model a Classics that is ethical, diverse, intersectional, and especially feminist. Before I explain what that means, I want to confront what it absolutely does not mean: rebranding as an explicitly feminist publication does not mean that Eidolon will now only publish content about gender, abortion, and lipstick in the ancient world. Not everything we publish will be, specifically, about feminism.

Some of it will be about racism.

Several people have expressed concerns to me that being explicit about Eidolon’s feminist politics will lead to a narrowing of our content. I don’t believe that it will, unless potential writers and readers choose to understand what “feminism” means in extremely bad faith. Progressive feminism is a capacious enough category that it can include content about reproductive rights and fashion but also philology and military history and textual criticism and many, many other topics.

What does it mean to me that Eidolon is a progressive, feminist publication with a commitment to social justice? … There are plenty of venues where it might be appropriate to explain why you don’t personally feel that feminism is for you, but Eidolon’s articles and comment sections aren’t those venues. …

Will this shift lead to a less diverse Eidolon? Our writers always have been, and will continue to be, a diverse group. Our writer pool has excellent diversity of race, age, gender, professional status, and sexuality. We work hard to keep it that way. But we’ve been accused of not being “ideologically diverse.” This charge is a common one, but I think it is misguided, in addition to being morally bankrupt. Making ideological diversity a primary objective is fundamentally incompatible with fighting against racism, sexism, and other forms of structural oppression, and we choose to prioritize the latter.

Everyone may deserve a platform, but not everyone deserves a place on this platform.

I wonder if Donna’s brother Mark will eventually be making a similar announcement about his platform?

But Eidolon isn’t going to publish articles arguing that identity politics are ruining Classics. I don’t feel any obligation to represent that view here. I don’t believe that political neutrality is either achievable or desirable. Classics as a discipline has deep roots in fascism and reactionary politics and white supremacy, and those ideologies exert a powerful gravitational pull on the discipline’s practitioners.

If we want to fight those forces, we need to actively work against them.

… But we’ve come to realize that, if we want that kind of discussion, we’re going to need a new commenting policy. …

In the past we only deleted comments that were openly bigoted or hateful. But from now on, we’ll be monitoring and moderating comments on Medium and Facebook much more heavily. You can read our new guidelines here.

Donna Zuckerberg is the Editor-in-Chief of Eidolon. She received her PhD in Classics from Princeton, and her writing has appeared in Jezebel , The Establishment , and Avidly . Her book Not All Dead White Men , a study of the reception of Classics in Red Pill communities, is under contract with Harvard University Press.

 
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  1. Not a place to read or comment.
    But at least now we know why she has such a burning hatred for Quintus Curtius at https://qcurtius.com/

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    So far, I see a grand total of three comments at her post.
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  2. So does anyone know if Donna somehow peripherally made a ton of money off of Facebook, or is Mark bankrolling this little exercise in megalomania from the change he finds on his dresser in the morning? There is a lot of this in the Left where Malibu Marxists subsidize echo chamber media in which a tiny number of people sit around repeating each other and congratulating themselves on how evolved they are. I mean how many people would be reading Eidolon at all? Does their hit count multiply from people who are curious whenever something they do becomes Sailerbait?
    And why does she bother to identify herself as Silicon Valley based? Does she want to bolster her credibility by making sure everyone knows she is a Suckerberg of the Facebook Suckerbergs.
    Many questions, I have no answers here.

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    So does anyone know if Donna somehow peripherally made a ton of money off of Facebook, or is Mark bankrolling this little exercise in megalomania from the change he finds on his dresser in the morning?
     
    Either way it's an exercise in establishing a "classics"-branded vanity press IMO.
    , @Marie
    Without a question, (((Donna))) owes her 'scholarly' career to the steady infusion of (((philanthropy))) shekels, in addition to whatever coins Mark remembers to throw her way.


    So much historical precedent for said behavior... Jacob Schiff and Wall Street bankrolling the Bolsheviks come to mind
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  3. I think the click-bait title is just a little below you, Steve.

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    No way, it's hilarious.
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  4. What is it about the Classics that interests Donna Zuckerberg? Does she think she is performing some great public service by trying to rewrite history to conform to modern progressive dogma? She is not interested in an honest approach to studying them, so why publish this content at all? The average SJW has no interest in the Classics, where does the funding come from for this and who is the audience?

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    Scholarly interest is probably the least of her motivations.

    To fully annihilate and expunge European and American civilization and culture, one must destroy the foundation. And since intellectual diversity about such history is, as she says, “morally bankrupt” she will tell us the one true politically correct history of the racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic (and perhaps even transphobic) origins of our contemporary “institutional” and “structural” racism (and sexism, etc.). If a structure is built upon a rotten foundation, as she no doubt intends to prove to us, there is absolutely no possibility of preserving or even repairing it and the only possible outcome is demolition and then all those not associated with the old will be able to build the new.
    , @TheJester
    It is all really not that deep. You see, the Classics are all about Western white men and their ability to overcome the adversities of chance, the gods, and Nature. Females sit on the sidelines encouraging their men to godlike feats of courage and accomplishment ... except if you are Helen of Troy with the estrual beauty to move beyond the Nature to seduce for yourself what native courage and valor could otherwise not command.

    Donna loves the Classics as foils to prove that all white males (cisgendered or otherwise) are assholes ... a rich body of material that will be viewed exclusively through the lens of the intersectional oppression of coloreds and women (especially women) by white males from the beginning of recorded history. She will brook no counter arguments or alternative points of view. What's the point? She is not interested in studies or justifying her positions. She is venting her anger at being born a Jewish female.

    The prayer that many Jewish males recite daily:

    “Thank You, G-d, for Not Making Me a Woman”

    As iSteve has suggested, Jews have a predilection for projecting their internal ethnic traumas at the population at large in order to maintain internal peace within the tribe. Sui generis, if Donna can condemn men en masse for their cultural misogyny, then Jewish males such as her brother might get the message.

    Hence, it appears that we suffer Donna so that she can surreptitiously vent her anger at her brother and the other Jewish males in her life. Recall that Facebook was originally designed as an app to pick up and hook up with girls at Ivy League Universities. Mark's Jewish investors decided to take Facebook global.
    , @Jake
    They have to destroy everything. They cannot rest while knowing we have something upon which to rebuild civilization.

    Cultural Marxism is primarily about waging cultural war against what would become Western Christian Civilization. The Classical world of Greece and Rome and their interactions with especially the human sacrificing Semites and their world are necessary foundations for Christendom. So the CM/SJWs of today wish to 'blacken' Classics.
    , @guest
    I have no idea about her personal interest, but fact remains that with all the many varied fields of study, genuine and bogus, at least the classics have good literature. And chicks dig a good story.

    Also, there's a smidgen of a trace of a hint of the former glory of being a classicist. I imagine it's hard even for True Believers to feel like an important person for pursuing fill-in-the-blank studies.
    , @tanabear
    The Modern Left is a cult known as the Cult of Diversity. This cult is the most powerful cult in the world today and it seeks to supplant the virtues and values of every other belief system. They have their own ideology(extreme equality), their own morals(anti-racism) and sins(racism, sexism, homophobia, Islamophobia, xenophobia etc.). They have their high priests(academics) to teach the educated; their own evangelists(media) to spread the cult to all peoples of the world.

    But as of yet they have not developed their own mythology. But this is the stage we are at now. The attack on white statues and the recent brouhaha between Mary Beard and Nassim Taleb over whether or not Roman Britain had a lot of black Africans show that they are now creating their own mythology or legendary history. Classical Europe was always diverse. Colonial America was always diverse. All white countries were diverse.
    , @Anonymous
    Contrary to some of the earlier comments on this comment, I strongly suspect that Donna's interest in the classics came first. I've seen on several occasions references to Mark's love of the Aeneid in high school, and this doesn't seem fake: it is entirely plausible that a really smart guy, like Mark Z., loves the Aeneid in high school, and I wouldn't be surprise if his sister had similar interests.

    I suspect there are two somewhat distinct elements fueling her SJWism in Classics drive.

    First comes "covering your ass". A high school student doesn't apprehend that loving classics could be "bad". It seems great! It is wonderful to learn about these people and their deeds and their writings. How could this be bad? But then you start learning things about contemporary life, and start to wonder: if I like all these dead white people, does that mean I'm a r*****? Of course not, I'm nothing like that!!!! Racists are STUPID white people who can't even read English and amant their own sisters! Maybe I, Donna, should make it clear that classics isn't racist at ALL, and that the Roman Empire was multicultural and women had power and... Aspasia, Cleopatra, Julia Domna, Tertullian (do a straight google.com search), Augustine, etc etc etc.

    But then you realize that simply trying to be smarter than others does not suffice, and you need religion, and the religion of the attractive and successful people is SJWism. So you join that religion and proselytize and now your life has meaning. Since you are a classicist, your domain of proselytization is classics.

    It so happens that your brother is a multi-multi-billionaire now, and things are sorta good, so it's easy to put off any deeper reflection at this point.
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  5. Bolshevik impulses on display.

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  6. Those whom the gods would destroy, they first make social justice warriors.

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  7. It seems like the social sciences and humanities these days have basically devolved into a bastion of left-wing lunacy. Of course there are certain ethnic groups that uh skew disproportionately away from many of these garbage soft fields and towards the hard and rigorous areas of STEM, and so are disproportionately over-represented in the value creation pipeline…

    Let’s be thankful that we have such useful countrymen amongst us, as opposed to more Donna Zuckerbergs or the likes. In general, identity politics and whining is bad. Value transference is bad.Value creation is good. Let that be our new motto comrades!

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Archaeology, history, linguistics, philology, classics, and the like are demonstrably not "garbage" or "soft" simply because expertise and breakthroughs in many of them require more verbal intelligence than mathematical ability. (You aren't biased, of course, as evinced by your disinterested "lets-hear-it-for-my-robotic-Oriental-brethren" who aren't any good at creative endeavors or much interested in history aside....)

    It is precisely the abandonment of these important fields – passing their care from the likes of Tolkien and and Lattimore to the likes of this Beard creature and pretending they are comparable to phony disciplines like underwater, homosexual, latinx dildo-carving – which has caused civilised nations to abandon their heritage and embrace auto-genocide.

    , @Roderick Spode
    What's with the "uh"s?
    , @anonymous
    Yan Shen, I thank you for your clear, objective rationality.
    , @ia
    Totally wrong.
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  8. Donna Zuckerberg is the Editor-in-Chief of Eidolon. She received her PhD in Classics from Princeton, and her writing has appeared in Jezebel , The Establishment , and Avidly . Her book Not All Dead White Men , a study of the reception of Classics in Red Pill communities, is under contract with Harvard University Press.

    She literally writes for a magazine called The Establishment…

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    • Replies: @CCZ
    "The Establishment: The conversation is much more interesting when everyone has a voice. Media funded and run by women; new content daily."

    But the "everyone has a voice" seems to be ONLY social grievance voices. I suggest looking at the site only if you want to know why breast feeding is so white and ignores black women, why not calling the police is good when you see a young black male with a gun, and, naturally, why Confederate monuments must be removed. Special bonus essay: "How My Husband's Unconscious Racism Nearly Destroyed Our Marriage."

    https://theestablishment.co/

    , @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Nothing to fear, how much influence could she possibly have?
    She maybe editrix of an academic journal of some repute as well attention grabbing author featured on mass audience platforms... But it's not like Dr. Zuckerberg has tenure yet...

    Any wagers about how soon she gets that Professorship? I bet there are plenty of classics departments itching to add a lovely attention-getting strident female voice to their roster of stale pale whitemales... Not that it would be obligatory for her hiring, but who knows what a juicy bonus of Chan-Zuckerberg contributions to the Uni endowment might coincidentally follow a new Professor Dr. Zuckerberg wherever she lands?
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  9. I read a lot of extraneous and misleading use of the first person plural (we, our, etc.) when it is obvious the entire enterprise is a vanity project of this soulless, barren harpy. This tactic is ubiquitous among her type: the previous president spoke o what “we” did or did not endorse regarding issues about which the nation was clearly divided and about which reasonable persons could differ (ironically, President Trump, despite being branded a hateful, divisive man, far more frequently acknowledges opposing views about controversial topics and suggests coming together to find a unified approach…).

    The more exclusive and self-centered the outfit, the more insistent its (usually autocratic and self-interested) leaders insist they speak for everyone while demanding any who disagree be squashed.

    Outfits like the NRA and (the few remaining genuinely) churches encourage black people and women to join, but the Black Lives Matter people and femi-nazis hate the NRA and want white people to die and men to shut up. European nations welcome aliens from all over the world, then those aliens, self appointed representatives of “everyone” demand the Europeans be purged (and excluded from their own homelands).

    It’s quite a racket.

    It’s the root of the sensation for people like most of us here that we now wander as isolated, thinking humans amongst a herd of pod-people. I imagine if a cat or a dog miraculously became sentient and intelligent at a human level, he would feel the same way as he observed the behaviour of other, still ordinary, members of his own species.

    I’ve been thinking much about the relatively recent abandonment of classical education. Not only Latin, but rhetoric, grammar, and formal logic, far from being stuffy, silly topics with no practical value, are, it turns out (especially rhetoric and logic) imperative for inoculating people from the kind of verbal acrobatic and fallacious shenanigans which have led to the current disaster, wherein cannot recognise their own blatant manipulation for what it is. Nowadays presidents, corporate executives, and the like say the most fundamentally mendacious, patently false things, and ostensibly sophisticated persons nod approvingly, whereas if such nonsense came from the mouths of senators in Rome, even the most uneducated plebeians would have scoffed and guffawed with disdain.

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    I’ve been thinking much about the relatively recent abandonment of classical education. Not only Latin, but rhetoric, grammar, and formal logic, far from being stuffy, silly topics with no practical value, are, it turns out (especially rhetoric and logic) imperative for inoculating people from the kind of verbal acrobatic and fallacious shenanigans which have led to the current disaster, wherein cannot recognise their own blatant manipulation for what it is.
     
    Probably not a coincidence.
    , @Sarah Toga
    You are right on the mark.
    The "Blob" a/k/a the education establishment has for decades intentionally aimed for the outcome of a pliable population. Easy to manipulate.

    For all the gory details, read the book: "Credentialed To Destroy" by Robin Eubanks.

    It is not a fun read or an easy read. Some of it is too much to bear. Eubanks traces the history of education "reformers" who have moved us to cradle-to-grave collectivism. Abolishing analytical, rational thinking and abolishing useful memory work is a big part of the current program.

    Group work, "core values", all that education stuff we hear about so much these days has a very careful collectivist design behind it.

    Also see Eubanks' blog: InvisibleSerfsCollar dot com.

    That blog name and the home-page photo is spot on . . .
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  10. Our goal is to model a Classics that is ethical, diverse, intersectional, and especially feminist. Before I explain what that means, I want to confront what it absolutely does not mean: rebranding as an explicitly feminist publication does not mean that Eidolon will now only publish content about gender, abortion, and lipstick in the ancient world.

    Lipstick lesbianism requires that the broads be somewhat hot. Expert commenters on this blog inform me that all the gals in the Classics are dogs. Somethings got to give. Donna Zuckerberg seems focused on gender, abortion and lipstick in the ancient world. Sad.

    Facebook is only protected by federal judges that enforce certain patents and politicians that protect Facebook from being taxed so hard that its pips start squeaking. Facebook should be broken up or attacked until such time as Mark Zuckerberg has his political power halted.

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  11. “Making ideological diversity a primary objective is fundamentally incompatible with fighting against racism, sexism, and other forms of structural oppression”

    That is true, during the who-whom moments in history one has to choose. It translates into ‘we will not allow freedom of expression because it might help the enemies we are fighting’. Bolsheviks would be proud of the ironclad logic. Stalin took it a bit further; in his view if an opinion ‘objectively helped the enemy’, it had to be brutally suppressed no matter what the motivation.

    We still have pluralism, so this is not that serious. But when ideologies go on a warpath we all lose.

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  12. This charge is a common one, but I think it is misguided, in addition to being morally bankrupt.

    How, exactly, is it “morally bankrupt?” Just another example of what these people excel at: ad hominem and invective and lots of lots adjectives papering over stuff they just don’t want to think about, or have their readers think about. “This thoroughly discredited trope is frequently employed by apologists for the far right”… or something like that. It’s discredited, and very discredited mind you, and used by people with a really faaaaaaar out world view which no moderate person would even consider so you better not either.

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  13. The purpose of Facebook is to peddle narratives and make me a trillionaire. NOT any of this garbage about “freedom,” “patriotism,” or any of that Nazi crap.

    Make my immigration reform comprehensive, please!

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  14. OT:

    Today I met an interesting fellow who, in a rambling monologue, segued directly from a discussion of Hurricane Harvey to a play-by-play of his “mother’s first husband’s younger sister’s” escape from a Nazi concentration camp.

    My only contribution to the conversation was, “I have some relatives in Corpus Christi.” This guy took that ball and ran with it: he started talking about his friend who lives in Houston and then, in short order, explained that the friend was somehow related to his mother’s first husband’s family. Then he gave me the full story of his mother’s first husband’s family’s dealings with the Nazis in Poland.

    I also got a detailed accounting of his various medical problems.

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  15. How fundamentally un-Western, in a magazine that proposes to write about Western civilization. Its hilarious!

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  16. So what exactly do Donna Zuckerberg….Mark Zuckerberg…..and the Joint Chiefs of Staff want to impose on Conservative White Christians?

    Answer:Mandatory Tranny Freak Indoctrination of the 5 year old children- in kindergarden-of Conservative White Christians ……Child comes home after kindergarden gender confused….

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  17. @Yan Shen
    It seems like the social sciences and humanities these days have basically devolved into a bastion of left-wing lunacy. Of course there are certain ethnic groups that uh skew disproportionately away from many of these garbage soft fields and towards the hard and rigorous areas of STEM, and so are disproportionately over-represented in the value creation pipeline...

    Let's be thankful that we have such useful countrymen amongst us, as opposed to more Donna Zuckerbergs or the likes. In general, identity politics and whining is bad. Value transference is bad.Value creation is good. Let that be our new motto comrades!

    Archaeology, history, linguistics, philology, classics, and the like are demonstrably not “garbage” or “soft” simply because expertise and breakthroughs in many of them require more verbal intelligence than mathematical ability. (You aren’t biased, of course, as evinced by your disinterested “lets-hear-it-for-my-robotic-Oriental-brethren” who aren’t any good at creative endeavors or much interested in history aside….)

    It is precisely the abandonment of these important fields – passing their care from the likes of Tolkien and and Lattimore to the likes of this Beard creature and pretending they are comparable to phony disciplines like underwater, homosexual, latinx dildo-carving – which has caused civilised nations to abandon their heritage and embrace auto-genocide.

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    They're "soft" because they've proven to be defenceless against hostile takeover. I think that's why some want a scorched-earth destroy-and-rebuild strategy. These fields give birth to a new generation of left-wing warriors every semester. Better to starve the beast than feed it before you hold its leash?
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  18. Progressive Feminism is the female faction of a entitled-by-law victim culture that is entrenched in western nations and Israel.

    Like all the other diversity factions, feminist claim to be oppressed by white supremacy, or white straight Christian males.

    Feminist demand and receive federal entitlements for women in exchange for their reliable votes for diversity scheme supporting politicians (i.e. democrats and neocons) .

    Feminist also demand and receive recognition from the federal government as a federal protected class group.

    Feminism is totalitarian in that it is integral to the diversity scheme and that it requires fascist central government activities to achieve ideological and material enforcement.

    Here’s some examples of current feminist entitlements enforced by federal laws:

    1. Affirmative Action for women
    2. Generous 8A government set-aside business contracts for female owned businesses
    3. No required military service or selective service for women
    4. Government anti-discrimination laws for women
    5. Title VII and Title IX laws for women
    6. Rape shield laws protect female liars in court
    7. Generous government benefits for single mothers
    8. Men get frequently screwed in child custody cases
    9. Taxpayer financed Abortion on Demand
    10. Government sponsored homeless and rehab shelters for women
    11. All health insurance policies require universal coverage for female-specific problems
    12. Ridiculous feminist gender studies and speech codes in public colleges and universities and government offices
    13. National Women’s history month
    14. Federal sexual harassment laws for women
    15. Federal Violence against Women Laws
    16. Most cushy government jobs employ women
    17. Equal Pay Act of 1963 for women
    18. Lowered physical standards by law for female policemen, firemen, and soldier
    19. Female-only institutions allowed by law, male-only institutions outlawed
    20. Battered woman defense allowed in first degree murder court cases
    21. Hate speech laws protecting women and other federal protected class groups
    22. Feminist majority reliably vote for totalitarian rule by diversity schemers
    23. Men pay 96% of all alimony, women pay 4%
    24. Paycheck Fairness Act
    25. Paid family and maternity leave for women
    26. Single Payer Health Insurance for Women and Children
    27. Living Wage for women
    28. Enhanced Social Security benefits for women with children
    29. Federal Health Insurance for illegal alien women
    30. Federal Funding for Planned Parenthood
    31. Mandatory universal health insurance plan coverage for women’s issues, including affordable contraception, preventive care, child care, and safe and legal abortion
    32. Foreign wars and intrigues to promote female entitlements across the globe
    33. Special federal and state monitoring and enforcement of laws prohibiting violence against women
    34. Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act
    35. 98% of homeless are men
    36. Females often receive a slap on wrist for abusing children, men instead receive harsh sentences.

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  19. ‘Fighting structural oppression’.

    So I guess there won’t be any articles on Minnesota and California fighting it out for the ‘female genital mutilation’ capital of the US?

    I don’t know about California but fgm wasn’t even a thing in Minnesota’s ancient past (circa 1990).

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  20. What a surprise!

    A Zuckerberg not championing the free expression of diverse ideas.

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  21. From her section about how comments will be moderated:

    we recommend you follow author John Scalzi’s advice and write “as if the person to whom you are commenting is standing in front of you, is built like a linebacker, and has both a short temper and excellent legal representation.”

    She forgot to add “and is black.” BTW, funny she should quote John Scalzi, Vox Day’s favorite punching bag.

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    • Replies: @Alfa158
    I have a bad habit of writing comments as if the person reading them is standing in front of me, is built like a linebacker, has both a short temper and has excellent legal representation, but I'm holding an M1911 behind my back.
    , @The King is a Fink
    So effectively any opinion we don't like will be met with violence and/or legal action. Talk about encouraging a frank and open exchange of views.
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  22. @Barnard
    What is it about the Classics that interests Donna Zuckerberg? Does she think she is performing some great public service by trying to rewrite history to conform to modern progressive dogma? She is not interested in an honest approach to studying them, so why publish this content at all? The average SJW has no interest in the Classics, where does the funding come from for this and who is the audience?

    Scholarly interest is probably the least of her motivations.

    To fully annihilate and expunge European and American civilization and culture, one must destroy the foundation. And since intellectual diversity about such history is, as she says, “morally bankrupt” she will tell us the one true politically correct history of the racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic (and perhaps even transphobic) origins of our contemporary “institutional” and “structural” racism (and sexism, etc.). If a structure is built upon a rotten foundation, as she no doubt intends to prove to us, there is absolutely no possibility of preserving or even repairing it and the only possible outcome is demolition and then all those not associated with the old will be able to build the new.

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    To fully annihilate and expunge European and American civilization and culture, one must destroy the foundation
     
    Why not bomb the National Gallery or sell it to the Chinese? I can see it happening. I think Trump and alt-right are driving them mad. LOL.
    , @Frau Katze
    Sadly, she can't do much for Muslims. They're too recent.

    At least, I would think so, but I'm not exactly sure when the "ancient world" actually ended.
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  23. but also philology and military history and textual criticism and many, many other topics.

    How about stamp collecting?

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  24. But . . . But . . . But, I thought you previously said that we were going to have a “conversation.”

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  25. “Classics as a discipline has deep roots in fascism and reactionary politics and white supremacy…”

    So, our approach will be to render Classics no longer a discipline. It will be just another academic paper bag into which overwrought, semi-hysterical, perennially spiteful Raggedy Anns (and a few wispy males who cannot biologically be on the rag, of course) can exhale/inhale until they calm down (unlikely) or die of carbon monoxide poisoning (hopefully).

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    Classics is often associated with the curriculum at New England prep schools. Her big bro Mark is noted on Wiki as having excelled in the classics at Ardsley High School and then as a prize winner in classics after transferring to Phillips Exeter Academy. Sis DZ may be laying the groundwork to tell bro MZ to cut off any donations to PEA. When you've lost PEA, nobody else really matters, does it. The flagship prep school is not much more defensible than the Hamptons anyway so any skirmish would be nasty, brutish and short.

    DZ may be in final editing on her magnum opus about the malign influence of the white cis-het patriarchy on temple architecture in "Samson and Judges 16:29, Delilah's Untold Story". MZ has studio contacts for appropriate casting of the mini-series.
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  26. She writes:

    an explicitly feminist publication does not mean . . .everything we publish will be, specifically, about feminism.

    Either Introductory Logic is not required to obtain a PhD in Classics from Princeton, or I’m simply too stupid to understand this.

    Or, maybe it’s just 21st century SJW-speak, masquerading as deep thinking.

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    I think it means they will complain about men.
    , @Forbes
    So, Classical Feminism, mining the classic period of feminism since Simone de Beauvoir's The Second Sex (1949) and Betty Friedan's The Feminine Mystique (1963).

    Classical Feminism will have to skip the earlier period (post Civil War) as the women's suffrage champions Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony declined to support passage of the 14th (due process, equal protection) and 15th (voting rights) amendments to the Constitution.
    , @Frau Katze
    She's as bad as any Communist.

    Rewriting history was never a problem for them. They also made things up as they went along, if necessary.

    It's pathetic and sad that we've come to this. We "defeated" the Communists only to replace them with SJWs.
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  27. @Barnard
    What is it about the Classics that interests Donna Zuckerberg? Does she think she is performing some great public service by trying to rewrite history to conform to modern progressive dogma? She is not interested in an honest approach to studying them, so why publish this content at all? The average SJW has no interest in the Classics, where does the funding come from for this and who is the audience?

    It is all really not that deep. You see, the Classics are all about Western white men and their ability to overcome the adversities of chance, the gods, and Nature. Females sit on the sidelines encouraging their men to godlike feats of courage and accomplishment … except if you are Helen of Troy with the estrual beauty to move beyond the Nature to seduce for yourself what native courage and valor could otherwise not command.

    Donna loves the Classics as foils to prove that all white males (cisgendered or otherwise) are assholes … a rich body of material that will be viewed exclusively through the lens of the intersectional oppression of coloreds and women (especially women) by white males from the beginning of recorded history. She will brook no counter arguments or alternative points of view. What’s the point? She is not interested in studies or justifying her positions. She is venting her anger at being born a Jewish female.

    The prayer that many Jewish males recite daily:

    “Thank You, G-d, for Not Making Me a Woman”

    As iSteve has suggested, Jews have a predilection for projecting their internal ethnic traumas at the population at large in order to maintain internal peace within the tribe. Sui generis, if Donna can condemn men en masse for their cultural misogyny, then Jewish males such as her brother might get the message.

    Hence, it appears that we suffer Donna so that she can surreptitiously vent her anger at her brother and the other Jewish males in her life. Recall that Facebook was originally designed as an app to pick up and hook up with girls at Ivy League Universities. Mark’s Jewish investors decided to take Facebook global.

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    She is venting her anger at being born a Jewish female.
     
    Precisely this.

    And this:

    Recall that Facebook was originally designed as an app to pick up and hook up with girls at Ivy League Universities.
     
    That Jewish self-hatred drives much of this pan-cultural insanity cannot be overstated IME.

    She will brook no counter arguments or alternative points of view. What’s the point? She is not interested in studies or justifying her positions.
     
    Plus she's retconning history--that most Jewish of narrative habits.
    , @RonaldB
    Lol.

    As a Jewish male growing up, it would be difficult to find anyone more scared of women than I was, so I guess the picture of the overbearing Jewish male would have to apply to someone else.

    I do have a different thought, though. You describe D. Zuckerbergs orientation as being driven by a specific fire of perceived misogyny. I see it as a particular branch of cultural-Marxism. Recall the objective of cultural-Marxism is to obliterate Western culture, thought and identity. The classics connect us in a primal sense to our Western thought, values, and history. Those of us old enough to remember actual classic tales may not take the antics of the gods that seriously, but the tales provide us an emotional foundation.

    So, the cultural-Marxist orientation of the c-M classicist is to disconnect any bonding between the classics and those who actually appreciated them, and the newer generations. Cast the new generation totally adrift, with no cultural mooring or foundation.

    A second objective/method is to remove the topic of culture totally from logic or discussion. Like the NewSpeak in 1984, the new study of classics will be entirely based on emotion, pretty standard for the left, and will eliminate any discussion based on real history or debate. So, the study of classics will be disconnected from the past and from the culture, will be without critical tools, and totally based on tribal consensus. This is such a corrosive approach, it shouldn't take much longer than a generation to produce a completely "Europeanized" generation willing to accept whatever is told to them by the authorities.
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  28. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The Diversity & Comics guy observed that girls tend not to like superhero comics but they do like cosplay. I think this new wave of precious intersectional academic specialist in traditionally unhip watered-down disciplines like Latin may have something similar simmering in its id– daydreams of brutish Roman centurions and what have you. I was reminded of the P.J. O’Rourke observation about how everyone agrees that McCarthyism was bad but also that making blacklists is fun; the more pertinent quote might be, “No one has ever fantasized about being tied down and whipped by a liberal”

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  29. @Barnard
    What is it about the Classics that interests Donna Zuckerberg? Does she think she is performing some great public service by trying to rewrite history to conform to modern progressive dogma? She is not interested in an honest approach to studying them, so why publish this content at all? The average SJW has no interest in the Classics, where does the funding come from for this and who is the audience?

    They have to destroy everything. They cannot rest while knowing we have something upon which to rebuild civilization.

    Cultural Marxism is primarily about waging cultural war against what would become Western Christian Civilization. The Classical world of Greece and Rome and their interactions with especially the human sacrificing Semites and their world are necessary foundations for Christendom. So the CM/SJWs of today wish to ‘blacken’ Classics.

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  30. That painting is awfully un-WOKE. You need to check your White Cis-Het privilege ……

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  31. Jewish women can be motivated simply by malice toward goyim/Amalek.

    Steve’s theory that their ethno warfare is secretly a struggle against Jewish males let’s them off the hook.

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  32. There’s something broken within that family. How can a young billionaire have such an ugly wife

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  33. That’s it, cancel my subscription!

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  34. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Re Jewish female aggression/insanity: Watch Redford & Streisand THE WAY WE WERE.

    The Streisand leftist character is relentlessly controlling, manipulative, passive-aggressive, condescending. And she’s supposed to be in a love affair!

    The handsome goy prize Redford is written as not dumb but as a sheep to be herded which is accurate portrayal of a certain type of liberal white guy.

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  36. Just another liberal Jewish pseudo intellectual hack leading the western world down the abyss. The academic world is littered with them. Take a number.

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  37. @Steve from Detroit
    She writes:

    an explicitly feminist publication does not mean . . .everything we publish will be, specifically, about feminism.

    Either Introductory Logic is not required to obtain a PhD in Classics from Princeton, or I'm simply too stupid to understand this.

    Or, maybe it's just 21st century SJW-speak, masquerading as deep thinking.

    I think it means they will complain about men.

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  38. @27 year old

    Donna Zuckerberg is the Editor-in-Chief of Eidolon. She received her PhD in Classics from Princeton, and her writing has appeared in Jezebel , The Establishment , and Avidly . Her book Not All Dead White Men , a study of the reception of Classics in Red Pill communities, is under contract with Harvard University Press.
     
    She literally writes for a magazine called The Establishment...

    “The Establishment: The conversation is much more interesting when everyone has a voice. Media funded and run by women; new content daily.”

    But the “everyone has a voice” seems to be ONLY social grievance voices. I suggest looking at the site only if you want to know why breast feeding is so white and ignores black women, why not calling the police is good when you see a young black male with a gun, and, naturally, why Confederate monuments must be removed. Special bonus essay: “How My Husband’s Unconscious Racism Nearly Destroyed Our Marriage.”

    https://theestablishment.co/

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  39. “Classics as a discipline has deep roots in fascism and reactionary politics and white supremacy, and those ideologies exert a powerful gravitational pull on the discipline’s practitioners.”

    This is so ridiculously wrong it’s hard to know where to start. First of all “classics” is a misnomer. Each “classic” came into being a classic because an academic decided to take a work that was considered “low art” seriously.

    Does she really think Shakespeare, for example, was studied by academics in his day? Just like a lot of classic rock was once considered ephemeral junk or wasn’t that popular in its day, a lot of classic literature was thought to be crap aimed at the masses or fell by the wayside. It was only in retrospect some people started justifying it as “art.”

    Doing that was actually a radical act — as far away from fascism and reactionary politics as you could get. It was the championing of the forgotten, the poor, the misunderstood or the (wait for it!) “oppressed.”

    As for the “white supremacy,” they’ve now moved into “boy who cried wolf” territory since every facet of Western Culture is considered “white supremacy” today by the left. When everything is racist, nothing is.

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  40. @Alfa158
    So does anyone know if Donna somehow peripherally made a ton of money off of Facebook, or is Mark bankrolling this little exercise in megalomania from the change he finds on his dresser in the morning? There is a lot of this in the Left where Malibu Marxists subsidize echo chamber media in which a tiny number of people sit around repeating each other and congratulating themselves on how evolved they are. I mean how many people would be reading Eidolon at all? Does their hit count multiply from people who are curious whenever something they do becomes Sailerbait?
    And why does she bother to identify herself as Silicon Valley based? Does she want to bolster her credibility by making sure everyone knows she is a Suckerberg of the Facebook Suckerbergs.
    Many questions, I have no answers here.

    So does anyone know if Donna somehow peripherally made a ton of money off of Facebook, or is Mark bankrolling this little exercise in megalomania from the change he finds on his dresser in the morning?

    Either way it’s an exercise in establishing a “classics”-branded vanity press IMO.

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  41. @Steve from Detroit
    She writes:

    an explicitly feminist publication does not mean . . .everything we publish will be, specifically, about feminism.

    Either Introductory Logic is not required to obtain a PhD in Classics from Princeton, or I'm simply too stupid to understand this.

    Or, maybe it's just 21st century SJW-speak, masquerading as deep thinking.

    So, Classical Feminism, mining the classic period of feminism since Simone de Beauvoir’s The Second Sex (1949) and Betty Friedan’s The Feminine Mystique (1963).

    Classical Feminism will have to skip the earlier period (post Civil War) as the women’s suffrage champions Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony declined to support passage of the 14th (due process, equal protection) and 15th (voting rights) amendments to the Constitution.

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  42. @27 year old

    Donna Zuckerberg is the Editor-in-Chief of Eidolon. She received her PhD in Classics from Princeton, and her writing has appeared in Jezebel , The Establishment , and Avidly . Her book Not All Dead White Men , a study of the reception of Classics in Red Pill communities, is under contract with Harvard University Press.
     
    She literally writes for a magazine called The Establishment...

    Nothing to fear, how much influence could she possibly have?
    She maybe editrix of an academic journal of some repute as well attention grabbing author featured on mass audience platforms… But it’s not like Dr. Zuckerberg has tenure yet…

    Any wagers about how soon she gets that Professorship? I bet there are plenty of classics departments itching to add a lovely attention-getting strident female voice to their roster of stale pale whitemales… Not that it would be obligatory for her hiring, but who knows what a juicy bonus of Chan-Zuckerberg contributions to the Uni endowment might coincidentally follow a new Professor Dr. Zuckerberg wherever she lands?

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    I bet there are plenty of classics departments itching to add a lovely attention-getting strident female voice to their roster of stale pale whitemales…
     
    Maybe: http://professorconfess.blogspot.com
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  43. @TheJester
    It is all really not that deep. You see, the Classics are all about Western white men and their ability to overcome the adversities of chance, the gods, and Nature. Females sit on the sidelines encouraging their men to godlike feats of courage and accomplishment ... except if you are Helen of Troy with the estrual beauty to move beyond the Nature to seduce for yourself what native courage and valor could otherwise not command.

    Donna loves the Classics as foils to prove that all white males (cisgendered or otherwise) are assholes ... a rich body of material that will be viewed exclusively through the lens of the intersectional oppression of coloreds and women (especially women) by white males from the beginning of recorded history. She will brook no counter arguments or alternative points of view. What's the point? She is not interested in studies or justifying her positions. She is venting her anger at being born a Jewish female.

    The prayer that many Jewish males recite daily:

    “Thank You, G-d, for Not Making Me a Woman”

    As iSteve has suggested, Jews have a predilection for projecting their internal ethnic traumas at the population at large in order to maintain internal peace within the tribe. Sui generis, if Donna can condemn men en masse for their cultural misogyny, then Jewish males such as her brother might get the message.

    Hence, it appears that we suffer Donna so that she can surreptitiously vent her anger at her brother and the other Jewish males in her life. Recall that Facebook was originally designed as an app to pick up and hook up with girls at Ivy League Universities. Mark's Jewish investors decided to take Facebook global.

    She is venting her anger at being born a Jewish female.

    Precisely this.

    And this:

    Recall that Facebook was originally designed as an app to pick up and hook up with girls at Ivy League Universities.

    That Jewish self-hatred drives much of this pan-cultural insanity cannot be overstated IME.

    She will brook no counter arguments or alternative points of view. What’s the point? She is not interested in studies or justifying her positions.

    Plus she’s retconning history–that most Jewish of narrative habits.

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  44. Maybe this will be the inspiration for me to read Gibbon.

    BTW Yo, Zuckerberg, I’m really happy for you, I’ma let you finish, but Michael Eisner had one of the most anachronistic PC insertions of black people into the Classics of all time!

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  45. A good summary of last year’s kerfuffle between Donna Z. and manosphere’s Quintus Curtius.

    http://www.rooshv.com/the-public-humiliation-of-mark-zuckerbergs-sister

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  46. Oh come on.

    Somebody has a group blog and sets their own rules. Look a bit closer and see if you can find another.

    Wonder if they allow sock puppets.

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    With all due respect, Donna Zuckerberg's EIDOLON is not just another blog, but it is “branded” (her words) to be a scholarly journal with all of the cache, influence, and intellectual leverage associated with such an exalted identity. As noted below, it is owned by a limited liability [media] corporation (LLC) and it also pays its contributors.


    “Eidolon is a publication of Palimpsest Media, LLC.”

    “We strongly believe that scholars deserve to be paid for exceptional work. Writers for Eidolon are compensated at rates comparable to those of popular online literary magazines.”

     

    And Ms. Zuckerberg is not some wayward sibling who ran-off to get a Classics PhD, occupy an isolated ivory tower, and eschew the family fame and fortune.

    The registered corporation agent of Eidolon's “parent” Palimpsest Media is Audrey K. Scott, a wealth management and estate planning attorney with the Palo Alto / San Francisco firm of Cooley LLP. “Cooley LLP successfully represented Facebook founder and CEO Mark Zuckerberg in a residential real estate dispute over property rights.”

    "Facebook's Zuckerberg Settles Real Estate Lawsuit for No Payout," Reuters
    "Zuckerberg Settles Fraud Suit for Promise Not to Sue Back," Bloomberg
    "Zuckerberg Settles Lawsuit Over Palo Alto Property without Paying Accuser," Silicon Valley Business Journal
     
    Cooley's corporate clients include FACEBOOK, eBay, Google, SpaceX, Uber, Walmart.com, and quite a few other big ones and Cooley's law practice and client industries include: Internet & Social Media, Virtual Reality/Augmented Reality, Artificial Intelligence, Technology, Trade Secret Litigation & Dispute Counseling, Privacy & Data Protection, Commercial Class Action Litigation.

    For example, September 2016, “Federal Circuit Court Nixes More Claims Of Patents Fought By Facebook.”

    “The Federal Circuit concluded Friday that the U.S. Patent Trial and Appeal Board did not go far enough in invalidating claims of two database patents asserted against Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn, saying it should have invalidated even more. Facebook is represented by Cooley.”

     

    Cooley's website notes its: “Deep connections with strategic investors looking to fund next-generation technologies, products and services.

    So, Donna Zuckerberg is not just some ordinary “somebody,” EIDOLAN is not just some ordinary “blog,” and Palimpsest Media, LLC. is not just some poor little independent publishing company devoid of connections to any other Zuckerberg intellectual properties.
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  47. @Barnard
    What is it about the Classics that interests Donna Zuckerberg? Does she think she is performing some great public service by trying to rewrite history to conform to modern progressive dogma? She is not interested in an honest approach to studying them, so why publish this content at all? The average SJW has no interest in the Classics, where does the funding come from for this and who is the audience?

    I have no idea about her personal interest, but fact remains that with all the many varied fields of study, genuine and bogus, at least the classics have good literature. And chicks dig a good story.

    Also, there’s a smidgen of a trace of a hint of the former glory of being a classicist. I imagine it’s hard even for True Believers to feel like an important person for pursuing fill-in-the-blank studies.

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  48. Such a strange compulsion so many non-White non-Europeans have to proclaim simultaneously that the originals were evil and, by the way, were not the originals at all. Donna ‘borg’s very own version of the “Hey, fellow White” perversion. It’s not enough that they have their very own version of history, but everyone must adopt it as the one true version. Because muh sufferink grants me license, or muh high IQ prohibits any challenge, or something.

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  49. @Autochthon
    Archaeology, history, linguistics, philology, classics, and the like are demonstrably not "garbage" or "soft" simply because expertise and breakthroughs in many of them require more verbal intelligence than mathematical ability. (You aren't biased, of course, as evinced by your disinterested "lets-hear-it-for-my-robotic-Oriental-brethren" who aren't any good at creative endeavors or much interested in history aside....)

    It is precisely the abandonment of these important fields – passing their care from the likes of Tolkien and and Lattimore to the likes of this Beard creature and pretending they are comparable to phony disciplines like underwater, homosexual, latinx dildo-carving – which has caused civilised nations to abandon their heritage and embrace auto-genocide.

    They’re “soft” because they’ve proven to be defenceless against hostile takeover. I think that’s why some want a scorched-earth destroy-and-rebuild strategy. These fields give birth to a new generation of left-wing warriors every semester. Better to starve the beast than feed it before you hold its leash?

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    'They're "soft" because they've proven to be defenceless against hostile takeover.'

    Tell it to James Watson.
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  50. This kind of aggressive anti-white activism by so many younger, rich, powerful visibly Jewish people is really changing attitudes towards Jews for the worse here in the white gentile community.

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  51. It is funny how “unapologetic progressive and inclusive” means excluding certain viewpoints.

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  52. @Yan Shen
    It seems like the social sciences and humanities these days have basically devolved into a bastion of left-wing lunacy. Of course there are certain ethnic groups that uh skew disproportionately away from many of these garbage soft fields and towards the hard and rigorous areas of STEM, and so are disproportionately over-represented in the value creation pipeline...

    Let's be thankful that we have such useful countrymen amongst us, as opposed to more Donna Zuckerbergs or the likes. In general, identity politics and whining is bad. Value transference is bad.Value creation is good. Let that be our new motto comrades!

    What’s with the “uh”s?

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  53. @Harry Baldwin
    From her section about how comments will be moderated:

    we recommend you follow author John Scalzi’s advice and write “as if the person to whom you are commenting is standing in front of you, is built like a linebacker, and has both a short temper and excellent legal representation.”
     
    She forgot to add "and is black." BTW, funny she should quote John Scalzi, Vox Day's favorite punching bag.

    I have a bad habit of writing comments as if the person reading them is standing in front of me, is built like a linebacker, has both a short temper and has excellent legal representation, but I’m holding an M1911 behind my back.

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  54. In other words, she wants to pay for the website expenses herself, as the only people who will read such garbage will be herself and a handful of deluded Antifa trolls.

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  55. @Yan Shen
    It seems like the social sciences and humanities these days have basically devolved into a bastion of left-wing lunacy. Of course there are certain ethnic groups that uh skew disproportionately away from many of these garbage soft fields and towards the hard and rigorous areas of STEM, and so are disproportionately over-represented in the value creation pipeline...

    Let's be thankful that we have such useful countrymen amongst us, as opposed to more Donna Zuckerbergs or the likes. In general, identity politics and whining is bad. Value transference is bad.Value creation is good. Let that be our new motto comrades!

    Yan Shen, I thank you for your clear, objective rationality.

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  56. Classics as a discipline has deep roots in fascism and reactionary politics and white supremacy

    Didn’t these same people used to claim that racism was invented in the 19th century? Even Donna should know that the study of the classics goes back much further than that. And by the time fascism appeared on the scene, the classics were already declining in popularity and prestige.

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  57. But its a class war, right Steve?

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  58. She probably got 50,000 comments saying “Shouldn’t a PhD know the difference between “disassembling” (dismantling) and “dissembling” (lying) and decided she wouldn’t stand for that kind of impudence any more.

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  59. @CCZ
    Scholarly interest is probably the least of her motivations.

    To fully annihilate and expunge European and American civilization and culture, one must destroy the foundation. And since intellectual diversity about such history is, as she says, “morally bankrupt” she will tell us the one true politically correct history of the racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic (and perhaps even transphobic) origins of our contemporary “institutional” and “structural” racism (and sexism, etc.). If a structure is built upon a rotten foundation, as she no doubt intends to prove to us, there is absolutely no possibility of preserving or even repairing it and the only possible outcome is demolition and then all those not associated with the old will be able to build the new.

    To fully annihilate and expunge European and American civilization and culture, one must destroy the foundation

    Why not bomb the National Gallery or sell it to the Chinese? I can see it happening. I think Trump and alt-right are driving them mad. LOL.

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    The Chinese would probably keep it as and charge the public rather than trash it. I don't see Chinese engaged in deconstructing Western Civ,
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  60. @Selvar
    I think the click-bait title is just a little below you, Steve.

    No way, it’s hilarious.

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  61. My goodness! The way Ms Zuckerberg goes on and on, relentlessly thrashing Topic A, you’d think possibly she isn’t white herself!

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  62. @Yan Shen
    It seems like the social sciences and humanities these days have basically devolved into a bastion of left-wing lunacy. Of course there are certain ethnic groups that uh skew disproportionately away from many of these garbage soft fields and towards the hard and rigorous areas of STEM, and so are disproportionately over-represented in the value creation pipeline...

    Let's be thankful that we have such useful countrymen amongst us, as opposed to more Donna Zuckerbergs or the likes. In general, identity politics and whining is bad. Value transference is bad.Value creation is good. Let that be our new motto comrades!

    Totally wrong.

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  63. Levity aside, there’s an unhappy ending lying in wait here; given her obscene wealth, and the influence it buys her, all the appalled mockery of her arriviste vulgarity probably won’t put a dent in EIDOLONS or its gruesome ‘mission’. Just off the top of my head, I can certainly think of a few hundred politicians and public intellectuals who’d be only too happy to help her throttle “ideological diversity” until her brother the would-be President can properly criminalize it.

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  64. @Days of Broken Arrows
    "Classics as a discipline has deep roots in fascism and reactionary politics and white supremacy, and those ideologies exert a powerful gravitational pull on the discipline’s practitioners."

    This is so ridiculously wrong it's hard to know where to start. First of all "classics" is a misnomer. Each "classic" came into being a classic because an academic decided to take a work that was considered "low art" seriously.

    Does she really think Shakespeare, for example, was studied by academics in his day? Just like a lot of classic rock was once considered ephemeral junk or wasn't that popular in its day, a lot of classic literature was thought to be crap aimed at the masses or fell by the wayside. It was only in retrospect some people started justifying it as "art."

    Doing that was actually a radical act -- as far away from fascism and reactionary politics as you could get. It was the championing of the forgotten, the poor, the misunderstood or the (wait for it!) "oppressed."

    As for the "white supremacy," they've now moved into "boy who cried wolf" territory since every facet of Western Culture is considered "white supremacy" today by the left. When everything is racist, nothing is.

    She’s attacking “high” art. There is a difference. Elites run things. Ya gotta have elites who identify with their people. If they are alienated the people are history.

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    Elites run things. Ya gotta have elites who identify with their people. If they are alienated the people are history.
     
    And from the other direction, you've got to have the people identify with their elites, or the elites are history. They add a patina of diversity to the establishment so it will be seen as a legitimate ruling authority.

    So their airbrushing of diversity into popular depictions of history isn't just to convince the replaced that they aren't being replaced because "we've always been diverse".

    It's also to convince the replacements they have a stake in the legacy institutions.

    , @Days of Broken Arrows
    I know she's attacking high art. But what I'm saying is that most high art was once low art -- from Shakespeare to jazz to the Beatles to a lot of novels. So in attacking high art, she's actually going after the commoners in a roundabout way.

    Wait a second, that does sound like something the elites would do.
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  65. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Nothing to fear, how much influence could she possibly have?
    She maybe editrix of an academic journal of some repute as well attention grabbing author featured on mass audience platforms... But it's not like Dr. Zuckerberg has tenure yet...

    Any wagers about how soon she gets that Professorship? I bet there are plenty of classics departments itching to add a lovely attention-getting strident female voice to their roster of stale pale whitemales... Not that it would be obligatory for her hiring, but who knows what a juicy bonus of Chan-Zuckerberg contributions to the Uni endowment might coincidentally follow a new Professor Dr. Zuckerberg wherever she lands?

    I bet there are plenty of classics departments itching to add a lovely attention-getting strident female voice to their roster of stale pale whitemales…

    Maybe: http://professorconfess.blogspot.com

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    That's a fine source for delicious bitter cynicism.

    Thanks for sharing. Sure to be a new guilty pleasure to read.
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  66. @San Fernando Curt

    "Classics as a discipline has deep roots in fascism and reactionary politics and white supremacy..."
     
    So, our approach will be to render Classics no longer a discipline. It will be just another academic paper bag into which overwrought, semi-hysterical, perennially spiteful Raggedy Anns (and a few wispy males who cannot biologically be on the rag, of course) can exhale/inhale until they calm down (unlikely) or die of carbon monoxide poisoning (hopefully).

    Classics is often associated with the curriculum at New England prep schools. Her big bro Mark is noted on Wiki as having excelled in the classics at Ardsley High School and then as a prize winner in classics after transferring to Phillips Exeter Academy. Sis DZ may be laying the groundwork to tell bro MZ to cut off any donations to PEA. When you’ve lost PEA, nobody else really matters, does it. The flagship prep school is not much more defensible than the Hamptons anyway so any skirmish would be nasty, brutish and short.

    DZ may be in final editing on her magnum opus about the malign influence of the white cis-het patriarchy on temple architecture in “Samson and Judges 16:29, Delilah’s Untold Story”. MZ has studio contacts for appropriate casting of the mini-series.

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  67. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @ia
    She's attacking "high" art. There is a difference. Elites run things. Ya gotta have elites who identify with their people. If they are alienated the people are history.

    Elites run things. Ya gotta have elites who identify with their people. If they are alienated the people are history.

    And from the other direction, you’ve got to have the people identify with their elites, or the elites are history. They add a patina of diversity to the establishment so it will be seen as a legitimate ruling authority.

    So their airbrushing of diversity into popular depictions of history isn’t just to convince the replaced that they aren’t being replaced because “we’ve always been diverse”.

    It’s also to convince the replacements they have a stake in the legacy institutions.

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  68. @CCZ
    Scholarly interest is probably the least of her motivations.

    To fully annihilate and expunge European and American civilization and culture, one must destroy the foundation. And since intellectual diversity about such history is, as she says, “morally bankrupt” she will tell us the one true politically correct history of the racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic (and perhaps even transphobic) origins of our contemporary “institutional” and “structural” racism (and sexism, etc.). If a structure is built upon a rotten foundation, as she no doubt intends to prove to us, there is absolutely no possibility of preserving or even repairing it and the only possible outcome is demolition and then all those not associated with the old will be able to build the new.

    Sadly, she can’t do much for Muslims. They’re too recent.

    At least, I would think so, but I’m not exactly sure when the “ancient world” actually ended.

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  69. @Steve from Detroit
    She writes:

    an explicitly feminist publication does not mean . . .everything we publish will be, specifically, about feminism.

    Either Introductory Logic is not required to obtain a PhD in Classics from Princeton, or I'm simply too stupid to understand this.

    Or, maybe it's just 21st century SJW-speak, masquerading as deep thinking.

    She’s as bad as any Communist.

    Rewriting history was never a problem for them. They also made things up as they went along, if necessary.

    It’s pathetic and sad that we’ve come to this. We “defeated” the Communists only to replace them with SJWs.

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    Actually, we haven't defeated them yet.
    , @Desiderius

    We “defeated” the Communists
     
    cite needed
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  70. @CK
    Not a place to read or comment.
    But at least now we know why she has such a burning hatred for Quintus Curtius at https://qcurtius.com/

    So far, I see a grand total of three comments at her post.

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  71. @Barnard
    What is it about the Classics that interests Donna Zuckerberg? Does she think she is performing some great public service by trying to rewrite history to conform to modern progressive dogma? She is not interested in an honest approach to studying them, so why publish this content at all? The average SJW has no interest in the Classics, where does the funding come from for this and who is the audience?

    The Modern Left is a cult known as the Cult of Diversity. This cult is the most powerful cult in the world today and it seeks to supplant the virtues and values of every other belief system. They have their own ideology(extreme equality), their own morals(anti-racism) and sins(racism, sexism, homophobia, Islamophobia, xenophobia etc.). They have their high priests(academics) to teach the educated; their own evangelists(media) to spread the cult to all peoples of the world.

    But as of yet they have not developed their own mythology. But this is the stage we are at now. The attack on white statues and the recent brouhaha between Mary Beard and Nassim Taleb over whether or not Roman Britain had a lot of black Africans show that they are now creating their own mythology or legendary history. Classical Europe was always diverse. Colonial America was always diverse. All white countries were diverse.

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  72. Can you feel the noise tightening?

    Face it you guys lost the future is diverse and will be better off without white men milling everythibgv

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    Noise, a very brief summary:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colors_of_noise


    The practice of naming kinds of noise after colors started with white noise, a signal whose spectrum has equal power within any equal interval of frequencies. That name was given by analogy with white light, which was (incorrectly) assumed to have such a flat power spectrum over the visible range. Other color names, like pink, red, and blue were then given to noise with other spectral profiles, often (but not always) in reference to the color of light with similar spectra.
     
    You may not want to read the section about black noise.
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  73. @anony-mouse
    Oh come on.

    Somebody has a group blog and sets their own rules. Look a bit closer and see if you can find another.

    Wonder if they allow sock puppets.

    With all due respect, Donna Zuckerberg’s EIDOLON is not just another blog, but it is “branded” (her words) to be a scholarly journal with all of the cache, influence, and intellectual leverage associated with such an exalted identity. As noted below, it is owned by a limited liability [media] corporation (LLC) and it also pays its contributors.

    “Eidolon is a publication of Palimpsest Media, LLC.”

    “We strongly believe that scholars deserve to be paid for exceptional work. Writers for Eidolon are compensated at rates comparable to those of popular online literary magazines.”

    And Ms. Zuckerberg is not some wayward sibling who ran-off to get a Classics PhD, occupy an isolated ivory tower, and eschew the family fame and fortune.

    The registered corporation agent of Eidolon’s “parent” Palimpsest Media is Audrey K. Scott, a wealth management and estate planning attorney with the Palo Alto / San Francisco firm of Cooley LLP. “Cooley LLP successfully represented Facebook founder and CEO Mark Zuckerberg in a residential real estate dispute over property rights.”

    “Facebook’s Zuckerberg Settles Real Estate Lawsuit for No Payout,” Reuters
    “Zuckerberg Settles Fraud Suit for Promise Not to Sue Back,” Bloomberg
    “Zuckerberg Settles Lawsuit Over Palo Alto Property without Paying Accuser,” Silicon Valley Business Journal

    Cooley’s corporate clients include FACEBOOK, eBay, Google, SpaceX, Uber, Walmart.com, and quite a few other big ones and Cooley’s law practice and client industries include: Internet & Social Media, Virtual Reality/Augmented Reality, Artificial Intelligence, Technology, Trade Secret Litigation & Dispute Counseling, Privacy & Data Protection, Commercial Class Action Litigation.

    For example, September 2016, “Federal Circuit Court Nixes More Claims Of Patents Fought By Facebook.”

    “The Federal Circuit concluded Friday that the U.S. Patent Trial and Appeal Board did not go far enough in invalidating claims of two database patents asserted against Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn, saying it should have invalidated even more. Facebook is represented by Cooley.”

    Cooley’s website notes its: “Deep connections with strategic investors looking to fund next-generation technologies, products and services.

    So, Donna Zuckerberg is not just some ordinary “somebody,” EIDOLAN is not just some ordinary “blog,” and Palimpsest Media, LLC. is not just some poor little independent publishing company devoid of connections to any other Zuckerberg intellectual properties.

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    Very informative. DZ is serious and has the money to do damage. It is interesting she has no wikipedia page, I saw one for a minor actress the other day and it went on and on. Obviously authored by her people.
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  74. @Frau Katze
    She's as bad as any Communist.

    Rewriting history was never a problem for them. They also made things up as they went along, if necessary.

    It's pathetic and sad that we've come to this. We "defeated" the Communists only to replace them with SJWs.

    Actually, we haven’t defeated them yet.

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    No, but the collapse of the USSR was a huge blow.

    China has managed the trick of being nominally Communist, but is clearly not.

    But the best evidence that they have not been defeated is the existence of groups like antifa.
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  75. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Barnard
    What is it about the Classics that interests Donna Zuckerberg? Does she think she is performing some great public service by trying to rewrite history to conform to modern progressive dogma? She is not interested in an honest approach to studying them, so why publish this content at all? The average SJW has no interest in the Classics, where does the funding come from for this and who is the audience?

    Contrary to some of the earlier comments on this comment, I strongly suspect that Donna’s interest in the classics came first. I’ve seen on several occasions references to Mark’s love of the Aeneid in high school, and this doesn’t seem fake: it is entirely plausible that a really smart guy, like Mark Z., loves the Aeneid in high school, and I wouldn’t be surprise if his sister had similar interests.

    I suspect there are two somewhat distinct elements fueling her SJWism in Classics drive.

    First comes “covering your ass”. A high school student doesn’t apprehend that loving classics could be “bad”. It seems great! It is wonderful to learn about these people and their deeds and their writings. How could this be bad? But then you start learning things about contemporary life, and start to wonder: if I like all these dead white people, does that mean I’m a r*****? Of course not, I’m nothing like that!!!! Racists are STUPID white people who can’t even read English and amant their own sisters! Maybe I, Donna, should make it clear that classics isn’t racist at ALL, and that the Roman Empire was multicultural and women had power and… Aspasia, Cleopatra, Julia Domna, Tertullian (do a straight google.com search), Augustine, etc etc etc.

    But then you realize that simply trying to be smarter than others does not suffice, and you need religion, and the religion of the attractive and successful people is SJWism. So you join that religion and proselytize and now your life has meaning. Since you are a classicist, your domain of proselytization is classics.

    It so happens that your brother is a multi-multi-billionaire now, and things are sorta good, so it’s easy to put off any deeper reflection at this point.

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    Interesting insight. But how does Donna balance her expose of "racist sexist" Western Civilization with her brother's desire to be "Emperor?" Can one conceptually separate the Emperor from the "racist sexist" civilization?

    Will Mark Zuckerberg Be Our Next President?
    It’s a serious question. “He wants to be emperor,” several people have told me.
    Vanity Fair January 13, 2017
     
    , @Anonymous
    That makes sense -- having to prove that your passion isn't really racist. Also, if you want the prestige that comes with having something fresh to say about ancient history -- or even just something to say to your woke friends that doesn't seem stuffy and retrograde -- then you'll have to look at it from a contemporary perspective, namely SJWism.

    And then she's the sister of a Roman emperor too...

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  76. Once these SJWs get hold of and wreck the study of the ancient world, with all their deathly dullness, I predict that men interested in ancient history will switch over to late antiquity and then medieval times in Europe. The Anglo-Saxons, the Geats, the Vikings, the Normans, the Angles, Lord of the Rings Britain! “On we sweep with threshing oars!” The SJWs will have conquered their topic only to find it abandoned and even they will become utterly bored while they look on in bitter envy at all the fun the men are having over in the Medeival Department. Count on it.

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  77. @ia

    To fully annihilate and expunge European and American civilization and culture, one must destroy the foundation
     
    Why not bomb the National Gallery or sell it to the Chinese? I can see it happening. I think Trump and alt-right are driving them mad. LOL.

    The Chinese would probably keep it as and charge the public rather than trash it. I don’t see Chinese engaged in deconstructing Western Civ,

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  78. @Anonymous
    They're "soft" because they've proven to be defenceless against hostile takeover. I think that's why some want a scorched-earth destroy-and-rebuild strategy. These fields give birth to a new generation of left-wing warriors every semester. Better to starve the beast than feed it before you hold its leash?

    ‘They’re “soft” because they’ve proven to be defenceless against hostile takeover.’

    Tell it to James Watson.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    If science has fallen it's because it was hit by the full firepower of the humanities, which was surrendered to revolutionary rabble of post-modern critical theorists and the like.
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  79. @Anonymous
    Contrary to some of the earlier comments on this comment, I strongly suspect that Donna's interest in the classics came first. I've seen on several occasions references to Mark's love of the Aeneid in high school, and this doesn't seem fake: it is entirely plausible that a really smart guy, like Mark Z., loves the Aeneid in high school, and I wouldn't be surprise if his sister had similar interests.

    I suspect there are two somewhat distinct elements fueling her SJWism in Classics drive.

    First comes "covering your ass". A high school student doesn't apprehend that loving classics could be "bad". It seems great! It is wonderful to learn about these people and their deeds and their writings. How could this be bad? But then you start learning things about contemporary life, and start to wonder: if I like all these dead white people, does that mean I'm a r*****? Of course not, I'm nothing like that!!!! Racists are STUPID white people who can't even read English and amant their own sisters! Maybe I, Donna, should make it clear that classics isn't racist at ALL, and that the Roman Empire was multicultural and women had power and... Aspasia, Cleopatra, Julia Domna, Tertullian (do a straight google.com search), Augustine, etc etc etc.

    But then you realize that simply trying to be smarter than others does not suffice, and you need religion, and the religion of the attractive and successful people is SJWism. So you join that religion and proselytize and now your life has meaning. Since you are a classicist, your domain of proselytization is classics.

    It so happens that your brother is a multi-multi-billionaire now, and things are sorta good, so it's easy to put off any deeper reflection at this point.

    Interesting insight. But how does Donna balance her expose of “racist sexist” Western Civilization with her brother’s desire to be “Emperor?” Can one conceptually separate the Emperor from the “racist sexist” civilization?

    Will Mark Zuckerberg Be Our Next President?
    It’s a serious question. “He wants to be emperor,” several people have told me.
    Vanity Fair January 13, 2017

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    It's almost as if there might be certain unresolved sibling rivalry issues among the Zuckerberg siblings.
    , @Steve Sailer
    It's almost as if there might be certain unresolved sibling rivalry issues among the Zuckerberg siblings.

    Mark Zuckerberg's Roman emperor fetish has not gone wholly unnoticed. A few months ago I collected various images off the Internet where people have compared put Mark's face next to various Roman emperor's marble heads. He wears his hair in a style highly reminiscent of Roman statuary.

    , @Anonymous
    What Steve said.

    To be honest, I think I'd prefer Emperor Zuckerberg to Civil War. Probably... Civilization might survive...

    (And look at the pics... If Mark got a little more hardass he'd be Caracalla...)
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  80. @Frau Katze
    She's as bad as any Communist.

    Rewriting history was never a problem for them. They also made things up as they went along, if necessary.

    It's pathetic and sad that we've come to this. We "defeated" the Communists only to replace them with SJWs.

    We “defeated” the Communists

    cite needed

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    It seemed that way at the time (of the collapse of the USSR). Don't you remember?

    Perhaps too young to remember?
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  81. @ia
    She's attacking "high" art. There is a difference. Elites run things. Ya gotta have elites who identify with their people. If they are alienated the people are history.

    I know she’s attacking high art. But what I’m saying is that most high art was once low art — from Shakespeare to jazz to the Beatles to a lot of novels. So in attacking high art, she’s actually going after the commoners in a roundabout way.

    Wait a second, that does sound like something the elites would do.

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    But what I’m saying is that most high art was once low art
     
    I certainly disagree with that. Shakespeare's patrons were nobles. He wrote sonnets to noblemen, especially the Earl of Southhampton. The high-born and/or the Church sponsored all high art from classical Greece until present day.

    Up until, say post-WWII, most wealthy Americans built classical style libraries like Carnegie or built classical style museums. They wanted to transmit the classics of western civ to the masses. Now, they spend their money in futile gap-closing, trips to Mars, Seasteading and establishing other Outlands in poor countries, or encouraging outfits like the subject of this piece. She's getting out in front of the new breed of violently anti-white billionaire donors looking to "make the world a better place," i.e., turn white men into helots and dhimmis.

    I would think the average American wouldn't comprehend what she is doing.

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  82. @CCZ
    Interesting insight. But how does Donna balance her expose of "racist sexist" Western Civilization with her brother's desire to be "Emperor?" Can one conceptually separate the Emperor from the "racist sexist" civilization?

    Will Mark Zuckerberg Be Our Next President?
    It’s a serious question. “He wants to be emperor,” several people have told me.
    Vanity Fair January 13, 2017
     

    It’s almost as if there might be certain unresolved sibling rivalry issues among the Zuckerberg siblings.

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  83. @CCZ
    Interesting insight. But how does Donna balance her expose of "racist sexist" Western Civilization with her brother's desire to be "Emperor?" Can one conceptually separate the Emperor from the "racist sexist" civilization?

    Will Mark Zuckerberg Be Our Next President?
    It’s a serious question. “He wants to be emperor,” several people have told me.
    Vanity Fair January 13, 2017
     

    It’s almost as if there might be certain unresolved sibling rivalry issues among the Zuckerberg siblings.

    Mark Zuckerberg’s Roman emperor fetish has not gone wholly unnoticed. A few months ago I collected various images off the Internet where people have compared put Mark’s face next to various Roman emperor’s marble heads. He wears his hair in a style highly reminiscent of Roman statuary.

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  84. @CCZ
    Interesting insight. But how does Donna balance her expose of "racist sexist" Western Civilization with her brother's desire to be "Emperor?" Can one conceptually separate the Emperor from the "racist sexist" civilization?

    Will Mark Zuckerberg Be Our Next President?
    It’s a serious question. “He wants to be emperor,” several people have told me.
    Vanity Fair January 13, 2017
     

    What Steve said.

    To be honest, I think I’d prefer Emperor Zuckerberg to Civil War. Probably… Civilization might survive…

    (And look at the pics… If Mark got a little more hardass he’d be Caracalla…)

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  85. Miss Zuckerberg is a fraud, a mountebank who disgraces the classics. Edith Hamilton, Moses Hades, et.al, would have excommunicated her from the ranks of scholars as surely as she has excommunicated herself from the life of the mind. The classics are to liberate us from the pettiness of presentism, instead she has embraced the minuscule mind of the left, a mind dedicated to the extirpation of free inquiry.

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    Hail Titus Plautus! (Yeah, I'm doing the whole arm-salute, too.)
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  86. @Tiny Duck
    Can you feel the noise tightening?

    Face it you guys lost the future is diverse and will be better off without white men milling everythibgv

    Noise, a very brief summary:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colors_of_noise

    The practice of naming kinds of noise after colors started with white noise, a signal whose spectrum has equal power within any equal interval of frequencies. That name was given by analogy with white light, which was (incorrectly) assumed to have such a flat power spectrum over the visible range. Other color names, like pink, red, and blue were then given to noise with other spectral profiles, often (but not always) in reference to the color of light with similar spectra.

    You may not want to read the section about black noise.

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  87. @Olorin
    Actually, we haven't defeated them yet.

    No, but the collapse of the USSR was a huge blow.

    China has managed the trick of being nominally Communist, but is clearly not.

    But the best evidence that they have not been defeated is the existence of groups like antifa.

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  88. @Desiderius

    We “defeated” the Communists
     
    cite needed

    It seemed that way at the time (of the collapse of the USSR). Don’t you remember?

    Perhaps too young to remember?

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  89. I’m betting it’s one of Donna’s other Platforms, “The Establishment”, that will outlive Eidolon’s memory. For weeks, if not months. Imagine a gals-only club of SJW hobbyists with zero actual ideas and negative-number literary skills just brainstorming and riffing away without an editor in sight. Imagine no more. Check out the self-satisfied mess for yourself.

    Here’s a teaser. The “co-founder and news director”, sums up her vision for “The Establishment” unbound, and foresees the coming “new dawn” of their chatty-cathy pretendathon:

    “In short: We’re finally in the long-yearned-for position to be intentional in creating the new model for media and society we’ve been striving to realize —”

    Someday robots will refuse to believe human beings could ever have written this stuff.

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    What's with all the "intentional" verbiage lately?
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  90. @Tamara in Philly
    I'm betting it's one of Donna's other Platforms, "The Establishment", that will outlive Eidolon's memory. For weeks, if not months. Imagine a gals-only club of SJW hobbyists with zero actual ideas and negative-number literary skills just brainstorming and riffing away without an editor in sight. Imagine no more. Check out the self-satisfied mess for yourself.

    Here's a teaser. The "co-founder and news director", sums up her vision for "The Establishment" unbound, and foresees the coming "new dawn" of their chatty-cathy pretendathon:

    "In short: We’re finally in the long-yearned-for position to be intentional in creating the new model for media and society we’ve been striving to realize —"

    Someday robots will refuse to believe human beings could ever have written this stuff.

    What’s with all the “intentional” verbiage lately?

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    New Age spirituality. "Setting an intention."
    , @Tamara in Philly
    "Intention" and "counter-intention" are key jargon in Scientology, as well. Something I learned an hour ago watching a second-season episode of the Leah Remini series on A & E. This meshes with the other commenter's insight that it has a new-age echo. Much overlap between late twentieth century mind makeover cults. As soon as I read the other comment I was struck by how common "intentional" really is in neo-zen and shaman speak. Intentional living, intentional communities, intentional cooking. They've got intent down. Now if there was only some content to grab onto.

    There was a valuable explication of the false cognate origins of "interrogate" in recent crit theory that I read here a few months back. Other faddish, sore-thumb, hackademic buzz-words might have similarmy comic origins, but intention is a true French/English cognate. So I do think this is likely some new-age leakage. Which is of course comical in a different way. On the more basic level it's just Smurf talk. Random words gain currency as status-indicators and team-signifiers in largely meaningless discourse.

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  91. @Anonymous
    'They're "soft" because they've proven to be defenceless against hostile takeover.'

    Tell it to James Watson.

    If science has fallen it’s because it was hit by the full firepower of the humanities, which was surrendered to revolutionary rabble of post-modern critical theorists and the like.

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  92. @Steve Sailer
    What's with all the "intentional" verbiage lately?

    New Age spirituality. “Setting an intention.”

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  93. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Contrary to some of the earlier comments on this comment, I strongly suspect that Donna's interest in the classics came first. I've seen on several occasions references to Mark's love of the Aeneid in high school, and this doesn't seem fake: it is entirely plausible that a really smart guy, like Mark Z., loves the Aeneid in high school, and I wouldn't be surprise if his sister had similar interests.

    I suspect there are two somewhat distinct elements fueling her SJWism in Classics drive.

    First comes "covering your ass". A high school student doesn't apprehend that loving classics could be "bad". It seems great! It is wonderful to learn about these people and their deeds and their writings. How could this be bad? But then you start learning things about contemporary life, and start to wonder: if I like all these dead white people, does that mean I'm a r*****? Of course not, I'm nothing like that!!!! Racists are STUPID white people who can't even read English and amant their own sisters! Maybe I, Donna, should make it clear that classics isn't racist at ALL, and that the Roman Empire was multicultural and women had power and... Aspasia, Cleopatra, Julia Domna, Tertullian (do a straight google.com search), Augustine, etc etc etc.

    But then you realize that simply trying to be smarter than others does not suffice, and you need religion, and the religion of the attractive and successful people is SJWism. So you join that religion and proselytize and now your life has meaning. Since you are a classicist, your domain of proselytization is classics.

    It so happens that your brother is a multi-multi-billionaire now, and things are sorta good, so it's easy to put off any deeper reflection at this point.

    That makes sense — having to prove that your passion isn’t really racist. Also, if you want the prestige that comes with having something fresh to say about ancient history — or even just something to say to your woke friends that doesn’t seem stuffy and retrograde — then you’ll have to look at it from a contemporary perspective, namely SJWism.

    And then she’s the sister of a Roman emperor too…

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  94. Y’know, I had thought Miz Z to be a leftist harpy determined to blood-poison Western tradition for the next few generations to come…..but then I read her tweet on poetry ‘n’ shit:

    and now I no longer think that; I know it to be an ironclad fact.

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    Oh, I'm sure black men will be lined up around the block to become the consort of this foul mouthed, nasty yenta.
    , @Clyde
    http://ecc-poetry.tumblr.com/post/153369153630/revenge is who wrote that demented quasi lesbian poem. Elisa Chavez.
    , @Sarah Toga
    Who was the first public official favoring this forced-mixed-race-breeding ideology that we suddenly see everywhere?

    Was former French president Sarkozy the first major elected official to openly, deliberately and publicly advocate forcing mixed-race copulation and reproduction?

    Shortly after Sarkozy's utterance, all the Merkel-types stepped up open-borders mania. Brought in lots of aggressive, young unmarried third-world males.

    Gee, what might happen next?
    , @Vinteuil
    "I'll give birth to an army of mixed-race babies. With fathers from every continent and genders to outnumber the stars, my legion of multiracial babies will be intersectional as f*ck and your swastikas will not be enough to save you."

    Ah, poetry today.

    Insert some arbitrary line breaks into a barely coherent cri de c***, and you're mounted in that saddle Homer rode.

    Can a MacArthur Prize be far behind?
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  95. @Harry Baldwin
    From her section about how comments will be moderated:

    we recommend you follow author John Scalzi’s advice and write “as if the person to whom you are commenting is standing in front of you, is built like a linebacker, and has both a short temper and excellent legal representation.”
     
    She forgot to add "and is black." BTW, funny she should quote John Scalzi, Vox Day's favorite punching bag.

    So effectively any opinion we don’t like will be met with violence and/or legal action. Talk about encouraging a frank and open exchange of views.

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  96. @Ragno
    Y'know, I had thought Miz Z to be a leftist harpy determined to blood-poison Western tradition for the next few generations to come.....but then I read her tweet on poetry 'n' shit:

    http://i.imgur.com/foeesEC.png

    and now I no longer think that; I know it to be an ironclad fact.

    Oh, I’m sure black men will be lined up around the block to become the consort of this foul mouthed, nasty yenta.

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  97. @TheJester
    It is all really not that deep. You see, the Classics are all about Western white men and their ability to overcome the adversities of chance, the gods, and Nature. Females sit on the sidelines encouraging their men to godlike feats of courage and accomplishment ... except if you are Helen of Troy with the estrual beauty to move beyond the Nature to seduce for yourself what native courage and valor could otherwise not command.

    Donna loves the Classics as foils to prove that all white males (cisgendered or otherwise) are assholes ... a rich body of material that will be viewed exclusively through the lens of the intersectional oppression of coloreds and women (especially women) by white males from the beginning of recorded history. She will brook no counter arguments or alternative points of view. What's the point? She is not interested in studies or justifying her positions. She is venting her anger at being born a Jewish female.

    The prayer that many Jewish males recite daily:

    “Thank You, G-d, for Not Making Me a Woman”

    As iSteve has suggested, Jews have a predilection for projecting their internal ethnic traumas at the population at large in order to maintain internal peace within the tribe. Sui generis, if Donna can condemn men en masse for their cultural misogyny, then Jewish males such as her brother might get the message.

    Hence, it appears that we suffer Donna so that she can surreptitiously vent her anger at her brother and the other Jewish males in her life. Recall that Facebook was originally designed as an app to pick up and hook up with girls at Ivy League Universities. Mark's Jewish investors decided to take Facebook global.

    Lol.

    As a Jewish male growing up, it would be difficult to find anyone more scared of women than I was, so I guess the picture of the overbearing Jewish male would have to apply to someone else.

    I do have a different thought, though. You describe D. Zuckerbergs orientation as being driven by a specific fire of perceived misogyny. I see it as a particular branch of cultural-Marxism. Recall the objective of cultural-Marxism is to obliterate Western culture, thought and identity. The classics connect us in a primal sense to our Western thought, values, and history. Those of us old enough to remember actual classic tales may not take the antics of the gods that seriously, but the tales provide us an emotional foundation.

    So, the cultural-Marxist orientation of the c-M classicist is to disconnect any bonding between the classics and those who actually appreciated them, and the newer generations. Cast the new generation totally adrift, with no cultural mooring or foundation.

    A second objective/method is to remove the topic of culture totally from logic or discussion. Like the NewSpeak in 1984, the new study of classics will be entirely based on emotion, pretty standard for the left, and will eliminate any discussion based on real history or debate. So, the study of classics will be disconnected from the past and from the culture, will be without critical tools, and totally based on tribal consensus. This is such a corrosive approach, it shouldn’t take much longer than a generation to produce a completely “Europeanized” generation willing to accept whatever is told to them by the authorities.

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  98. @Days of Broken Arrows
    I know she's attacking high art. But what I'm saying is that most high art was once low art -- from Shakespeare to jazz to the Beatles to a lot of novels. So in attacking high art, she's actually going after the commoners in a roundabout way.

    Wait a second, that does sound like something the elites would do.

    But what I’m saying is that most high art was once low art

    I certainly disagree with that. Shakespeare’s patrons were nobles. He wrote sonnets to noblemen, especially the Earl of Southhampton. The high-born and/or the Church sponsored all high art from classical Greece until present day.

    Up until, say post-WWII, most wealthy Americans built classical style libraries like Carnegie or built classical style museums. They wanted to transmit the classics of western civ to the masses. Now, they spend their money in futile gap-closing, trips to Mars, Seasteading and establishing other Outlands in poor countries, or encouraging outfits like the subject of this piece. She’s getting out in front of the new breed of violently anti-white billionaire donors looking to “make the world a better place,” i.e., turn white men into helots and dhimmis.

    I would think the average American wouldn’t comprehend what she is doing.

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  99. @Alfa158
    So does anyone know if Donna somehow peripherally made a ton of money off of Facebook, or is Mark bankrolling this little exercise in megalomania from the change he finds on his dresser in the morning? There is a lot of this in the Left where Malibu Marxists subsidize echo chamber media in which a tiny number of people sit around repeating each other and congratulating themselves on how evolved they are. I mean how many people would be reading Eidolon at all? Does their hit count multiply from people who are curious whenever something they do becomes Sailerbait?
    And why does she bother to identify herself as Silicon Valley based? Does she want to bolster her credibility by making sure everyone knows she is a Suckerberg of the Facebook Suckerbergs.
    Many questions, I have no answers here.

    Without a question, (((Donna))) owes her ‘scholarly’ career to the steady infusion of (((philanthropy))) shekels, in addition to whatever coins Mark remembers to throw her way.

    So much historical precedent for said behavior… Jacob Schiff and Wall Street bankrolling the Bolsheviks come to mind

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  100. I can easily see this woman becoming another $PLC. She’ll form the Institute for Classical Western Diversity, tracking down haters and bigots in academia and all forms of publishing and image re-production. Maybe even contemporary image-makers. She’ll have hate lists. Billionaires like Cook will donate huge sums.

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  101. @Autochthon
    I read a lot of extraneous and misleading use of the first person plural (we, our, etc.) when it is obvious the entire enterprise is a vanity project of this soulless, barren harpy. This tactic is ubiquitous among her type: the previous president spoke o what "we" did or did not endorse regarding issues about which the nation was clearly divided and about which reasonable persons could differ (ironically, President Trump, despite being branded a hateful, divisive man, far more frequently acknowledges opposing views about controversial topics and suggests coming together to find a unified approach...).

    The more exclusive and self-centered the outfit, the more insistent its (usually autocratic and self-interested) leaders insist they speak for everyone while demanding any who disagree be squashed.

    Outfits like the NRA and (the few remaining genuinely) churches encourage black people and women to join, but the Black Lives Matter people and femi-nazis hate the NRA and want white people to die and men to shut up. European nations welcome aliens from all over the world, then those aliens, self appointed representatives of "everyone" demand the Europeans be purged (and excluded from their own homelands).

    It's quite a racket.

    It's the root of the sensation for people like most of us here that we now wander as isolated, thinking humans amongst a herd of pod-people. I imagine if a cat or a dog miraculously became sentient and intelligent at a human level, he would feel the same way as he observed the behaviour of other, still ordinary, members of his own species.

    I've been thinking much about the relatively recent abandonment of classical education. Not only Latin, but rhetoric, grammar, and formal logic, far from being stuffy, silly topics with no practical value, are, it turns out (especially rhetoric and logic) imperative for inoculating people from the kind of verbal acrobatic and fallacious shenanigans which have led to the current disaster, wherein cannot recognise their own blatant manipulation for what it is. Nowadays presidents, corporate executives, and the like say the most fundamentally mendacious, patently false things, and ostensibly sophisticated persons nod approvingly, whereas if such nonsense came from the mouths of senators in Rome, even the most uneducated plebeians would have scoffed and guffawed with disdain.

    I’ve been thinking much about the relatively recent abandonment of classical education. Not only Latin, but rhetoric, grammar, and formal logic, far from being stuffy, silly topics with no practical value, are, it turns out (especially rhetoric and logic) imperative for inoculating people from the kind of verbal acrobatic and fallacious shenanigans which have led to the current disaster, wherein cannot recognise their own blatant manipulation for what it is.

    Probably not a coincidence.

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  102. Just curious, how do you graduate from Princeton with a PhD in Classics in 2014 and move immediately into running a relatively prestigious journal in your field?

    Compare to the typical struggle of the typical humanities PhD student to get a steady job.

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    How did Mark Zuckerberg's college friend Chris Hedges quickly become publisher of The New Republic?

    If I won the Lottery, I'd probably buy a prestigious old magazine to run. But I didn't buy a ticket this time, and you can't win if you don't play the game.

    , @Desiderius

    relatively prestigious journal
     
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  103. Reading this item, and sampling the musings of The Establishment, another of the publications to which Ms Zuckerberg is a contributor, the thought occurs that it cannot possibly be for real. It simply has to be satire, and we are all having our respective chains adroitly yanked.
    Genius!

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  104. @Titus Plautus
    Miss Zuckerberg is a fraud, a mountebank who disgraces the classics. Edith Hamilton, Moses Hades, et.al, would have excommunicated her from the ranks of scholars as surely as she has excommunicated herself from the life of the mind. The classics are to liberate us from the pettiness of presentism, instead she has embraced the minuscule mind of the left, a mind dedicated to the extirpation of free inquiry.

    Hail Titus Plautus! (Yeah, I’m doing the whole arm-salute, too.)

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  105. Why the sudden obsession with Zuckerberg’s sister? She’s a nobody. Who cares what she thinks?

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  106. @CCZ
    With all due respect, Donna Zuckerberg's EIDOLON is not just another blog, but it is “branded” (her words) to be a scholarly journal with all of the cache, influence, and intellectual leverage associated with such an exalted identity. As noted below, it is owned by a limited liability [media] corporation (LLC) and it also pays its contributors.


    “Eidolon is a publication of Palimpsest Media, LLC.”

    “We strongly believe that scholars deserve to be paid for exceptional work. Writers for Eidolon are compensated at rates comparable to those of popular online literary magazines.”

     

    And Ms. Zuckerberg is not some wayward sibling who ran-off to get a Classics PhD, occupy an isolated ivory tower, and eschew the family fame and fortune.

    The registered corporation agent of Eidolon's “parent” Palimpsest Media is Audrey K. Scott, a wealth management and estate planning attorney with the Palo Alto / San Francisco firm of Cooley LLP. “Cooley LLP successfully represented Facebook founder and CEO Mark Zuckerberg in a residential real estate dispute over property rights.”

    "Facebook's Zuckerberg Settles Real Estate Lawsuit for No Payout," Reuters
    "Zuckerberg Settles Fraud Suit for Promise Not to Sue Back," Bloomberg
    "Zuckerberg Settles Lawsuit Over Palo Alto Property without Paying Accuser," Silicon Valley Business Journal
     
    Cooley's corporate clients include FACEBOOK, eBay, Google, SpaceX, Uber, Walmart.com, and quite a few other big ones and Cooley's law practice and client industries include: Internet & Social Media, Virtual Reality/Augmented Reality, Artificial Intelligence, Technology, Trade Secret Litigation & Dispute Counseling, Privacy & Data Protection, Commercial Class Action Litigation.

    For example, September 2016, “Federal Circuit Court Nixes More Claims Of Patents Fought By Facebook.”

    “The Federal Circuit concluded Friday that the U.S. Patent Trial and Appeal Board did not go far enough in invalidating claims of two database patents asserted against Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn, saying it should have invalidated even more. Facebook is represented by Cooley.”

     

    Cooley's website notes its: “Deep connections with strategic investors looking to fund next-generation technologies, products and services.

    So, Donna Zuckerberg is not just some ordinary “somebody,” EIDOLAN is not just some ordinary “blog,” and Palimpsest Media, LLC. is not just some poor little independent publishing company devoid of connections to any other Zuckerberg intellectual properties.

    Very informative. DZ is serious and has the money to do damage. It is interesting she has no wikipedia page, I saw one for a minor actress the other day and it went on and on. Obviously authored by her people.

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  107. @Autochthon
    I read a lot of extraneous and misleading use of the first person plural (we, our, etc.) when it is obvious the entire enterprise is a vanity project of this soulless, barren harpy. This tactic is ubiquitous among her type: the previous president spoke o what "we" did or did not endorse regarding issues about which the nation was clearly divided and about which reasonable persons could differ (ironically, President Trump, despite being branded a hateful, divisive man, far more frequently acknowledges opposing views about controversial topics and suggests coming together to find a unified approach...).

    The more exclusive and self-centered the outfit, the more insistent its (usually autocratic and self-interested) leaders insist they speak for everyone while demanding any who disagree be squashed.

    Outfits like the NRA and (the few remaining genuinely) churches encourage black people and women to join, but the Black Lives Matter people and femi-nazis hate the NRA and want white people to die and men to shut up. European nations welcome aliens from all over the world, then those aliens, self appointed representatives of "everyone" demand the Europeans be purged (and excluded from their own homelands).

    It's quite a racket.

    It's the root of the sensation for people like most of us here that we now wander as isolated, thinking humans amongst a herd of pod-people. I imagine if a cat or a dog miraculously became sentient and intelligent at a human level, he would feel the same way as he observed the behaviour of other, still ordinary, members of his own species.

    I've been thinking much about the relatively recent abandonment of classical education. Not only Latin, but rhetoric, grammar, and formal logic, far from being stuffy, silly topics with no practical value, are, it turns out (especially rhetoric and logic) imperative for inoculating people from the kind of verbal acrobatic and fallacious shenanigans which have led to the current disaster, wherein cannot recognise their own blatant manipulation for what it is. Nowadays presidents, corporate executives, and the like say the most fundamentally mendacious, patently false things, and ostensibly sophisticated persons nod approvingly, whereas if such nonsense came from the mouths of senators in Rome, even the most uneducated plebeians would have scoffed and guffawed with disdain.

    You are right on the mark.
    The “Blob” a/k/a the education establishment has for decades intentionally aimed for the outcome of a pliable population. Easy to manipulate.

    For all the gory details, read the book: “Credentialed To Destroy” by Robin Eubanks.

    It is not a fun read or an easy read. Some of it is too much to bear. Eubanks traces the history of education “reformers” who have moved us to cradle-to-grave collectivism. Abolishing analytical, rational thinking and abolishing useful memory work is a big part of the current program.

    Group work, “core values”, all that education stuff we hear about so much these days has a very careful collectivist design behind it.

    Also see Eubanks’ blog: InvisibleSerfsCollar dot com.

    That blog name and the home-page photo is spot on . . .

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  108. @Ragno
    Y'know, I had thought Miz Z to be a leftist harpy determined to blood-poison Western tradition for the next few generations to come.....but then I read her tweet on poetry 'n' shit:

    http://i.imgur.com/foeesEC.png

    and now I no longer think that; I know it to be an ironclad fact.

    http://ecc-poetry.tumblr.com/post/153369153630/revenge is who wrote that demented quasi lesbian poem. Elisa Chavez.

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  109. @Ragno
    Y'know, I had thought Miz Z to be a leftist harpy determined to blood-poison Western tradition for the next few generations to come.....but then I read her tweet on poetry 'n' shit:

    http://i.imgur.com/foeesEC.png

    and now I no longer think that; I know it to be an ironclad fact.

    Who was the first public official favoring this forced-mixed-race-breeding ideology that we suddenly see everywhere?

    Was former French president Sarkozy the first major elected official to openly, deliberately and publicly advocate forcing mixed-race copulation and reproduction?

    Shortly after Sarkozy’s utterance, all the Merkel-types stepped up open-borders mania. Brought in lots of aggressive, young unmarried third-world males.

    Gee, what might happen next?

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    So far as I know, Norman Podhoretz never held public office - but I think he pioneered the idea of miscegenation as the only solution to what he called the "Negro Problem."
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  110. @Andrew
    Just curious, how do you graduate from Princeton with a PhD in Classics in 2014 and move immediately into running a relatively prestigious journal in your field?

    Compare to the typical struggle of the typical humanities PhD student to get a steady job.

    How did Mark Zuckerberg’s college friend Chris Hedges quickly become publisher of The New Republic?

    If I won the Lottery, I’d probably buy a prestigious old magazine to run. But I didn’t buy a ticket this time, and you can’t win if you don’t play the game.

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  111. @Ragno
    Y'know, I had thought Miz Z to be a leftist harpy determined to blood-poison Western tradition for the next few generations to come.....but then I read her tweet on poetry 'n' shit:

    http://i.imgur.com/foeesEC.png

    and now I no longer think that; I know it to be an ironclad fact.

    “I’ll give birth to an army of mixed-race babies. With fathers from every continent and genders to outnumber the stars, my legion of multiracial babies will be intersectional as f*ck and your swastikas will not be enough to save you.”

    Ah, poetry today.

    Insert some arbitrary line breaks into a barely coherent cri de c***, and you’re mounted in that saddle Homer rode.

    Can a MacArthur Prize be far behind?

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    I'm not exactly objective, but is the left more prone to such base vulgar language or is it just a general coarsening of the tone of what's left of our civilization?
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  112. @Sarah Toga
    Who was the first public official favoring this forced-mixed-race-breeding ideology that we suddenly see everywhere?

    Was former French president Sarkozy the first major elected official to openly, deliberately and publicly advocate forcing mixed-race copulation and reproduction?

    Shortly after Sarkozy's utterance, all the Merkel-types stepped up open-borders mania. Brought in lots of aggressive, young unmarried third-world males.

    Gee, what might happen next?

    So far as I know, Norman Podhoretz never held public office – but I think he pioneered the idea of miscegenation as the only solution to what he called the “Negro Problem.”

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  113. She should name it ‘Idle Alone’.

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  114. @ia

    I bet there are plenty of classics departments itching to add a lovely attention-getting strident female voice to their roster of stale pale whitemales…
     
    Maybe: http://professorconfess.blogspot.com

    That’s a fine source for delicious bitter cynicism.

    Thanks for sharing. Sure to be a new guilty pleasure to read.

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    My pleasure.
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  115. @Vinteuil
    "I'll give birth to an army of mixed-race babies. With fathers from every continent and genders to outnumber the stars, my legion of multiracial babies will be intersectional as f*ck and your swastikas will not be enough to save you."

    Ah, poetry today.

    Insert some arbitrary line breaks into a barely coherent cri de c***, and you're mounted in that saddle Homer rode.

    Can a MacArthur Prize be far behind?

    I’m not exactly objective, but is the left more prone to such base vulgar language or is it just a general coarsening of the tone of what’s left of our civilization?

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  116. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    That's a fine source for delicious bitter cynicism.

    Thanks for sharing. Sure to be a new guilty pleasure to read.

    My pleasure.

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  117. @Steve Sailer
    What's with all the "intentional" verbiage lately?

    “Intention” and “counter-intention” are key jargon in Scientology, as well. Something I learned an hour ago watching a second-season episode of the Leah Remini series on A & E. This meshes with the other commenter’s insight that it has a new-age echo. Much overlap between late twentieth century mind makeover cults. As soon as I read the other comment I was struck by how common “intentional” really is in neo-zen and shaman speak. Intentional living, intentional communities, intentional cooking. They’ve got intent down. Now if there was only some content to grab onto.

    There was a valuable explication of the false cognate origins of “interrogate” in recent crit theory that I read here a few months back. Other faddish, sore-thumb, hackademic buzz-words might have similarmy comic origins, but intention is a true French/English cognate. So I do think this is likely some new-age leakage. Which is of course comical in a different way. On the more basic level it’s just Smurf talk. Random words gain currency as status-indicators and team-signifiers in largely meaningless discourse.

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  118. @Andrew
    Just curious, how do you graduate from Princeton with a PhD in Classics in 2014 and move immediately into running a relatively prestigious journal in your field?

    Compare to the typical struggle of the typical humanities PhD student to get a steady job.

    relatively prestigious journal

    cite needed

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  119. “Man, the classics were fascist before fascism was even conceived. That’s how awful these people are!”

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