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From Recode:

YouTube’s Susan Wojcicki explains why the ‘Google memo’ author had to be fired

On the latest Recode Decode, the CEO reflects on how the diversity debate sparked by James Damore’s memo affected her personally.

By Eric [email protected] Oct 16, 2017, 6:30am EDT

YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki was on vacation when Silicon Valley suddenly plunged into a bitter debate over sexism.

The now-infamous “Google memo,” written by engineer James Damore, argued against diversity initiatives at Google and said that female engineers were less capable of leading others.

Wojcicki, who was part of the team at Google that decided to fire Damore, recalled talking about it over dinner with her children, to whom she had always tried to promote diversity and equality.

Well, not equality in the sense of of mom not having a net worth of $300 million because she rented her garage to Larry and Sergey in 1999 and then Aunt Anne was married to Sergey until that gold-digging strumpet got between them and then Aunt Anne was with Uncle Alex, but Alex Rodriguez turned out to be a meathead baseball player, but otherwise … Go Equality!

“The first question they had about it [was], ‘Is that true?’” Wojcicki said on the latest Recode Decode, hosted by Kara Swisher. “That really, really surprised me, because here I am — I’ve spent so much time, so much of my career, to try to overcome stereotypes, and then here was this letter that was somehow convincing my kids and many other women in the industry, and men in the industry, convincing them that they were less capable. That really upset me.”

 
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  1. As much as I want to blame her, I cannot. Remember the Apple Diversity Chief who said that a room full of blue eyed, blond, white men could be diverse due to their differing life experiences and ideas? She got fired despite being black.

    If you stick to liberal dogma you get rewarded. If you oppose it you get fired.

    I might repeat the same stuff if I were in her position and didn’t want to lose my privileged status.

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    • Replies: @Moses
    Exactly! Just like Nazi prison guards were all innocent — they were just following orders under threat of reprisal. In fact, only Hitler and Geobbels were culpable. Everyone knows that.
    , @AndrewR
    What an awful take.

    First of all, she wasn't publicly asked for her opinion. She chose to use her platform to broadcast her shrill, childish message to the world.

    Secondly, even if I concede (which I won't) that, had she been asked her opinion publicly, she would have had to condemn Damore's document in order to keep her job, she wouldn't have had to do it so hysterically.

    And finally, so what if she loses her job? She's worth enough that, more than likely, none of her descendants for the next 200 years will likely ever have to work a day in their lives. It's not like her kids are going to go hungry if she loses her job. She is a hysterical tyrant, and your defense of her is disgusting.

    , @reiner Tor
    She has 300 million dollars. She could afford losing her job, if it ever came to it. But she was also on a first name basis with the owners, Larry and Sergey, so it was highly unlikely she would get fired in the first place. And if she was weak, she could at least have waited until some pressure started to build on her. Like her bosses calling her, or whatever. Instead, she seems to be the one pushing this from the beginning.
    , @Dmitry

    If you stick to liberal dogma you get rewarded. If you oppose it you get fired.

    I might repeat the same stuff if I were in her position and didn’t want to lose my privileged status.
     

    It works more like a Medieval tithe system - as long as you make certain public gestures to indicate that you are opposed to privilege (malleabily defined), then you are - where it matters (in your soul) - against privilege, even when every other aspect of your life belies it. An alternative, sometimes complimentary, approach is to focus on the eye of the needle itself, which at present fortunately feels like it is still 'up for grabs', and once in hand, malleable enough that one might just be able to stretch or bend it to a shape that allows entry for the particular camel you happen to be - in Wojcicki's case, a woman.
    , @AnotherDad

    As much as I want to blame her, I cannot.
    ...
    If you stick to liberal dogma you get rewarded. If you oppose it you get fired.
    I might repeat the same stuff if I were in her position and didn’t want to lose my privileged status.
     
    Completely wrong. Susan Wojcicki *drove* the firing of Damore. She's the one responsible.

    Damore wasn't even in her company. Google's Indian CEO was indifferent--would have preferred Damore didn't write the memo and land this SJW hissy in his lap, but not inclined to fire the guy. SJW Susan threw her girl hissy and the "men" in the room folded like the pathetic pansies they are. (Sad indicator of the state of the West--men fold, when women bitch and scream. You can't run a civilization if you cave to female fits. Susan should have been bent over someone's knee and spanked.) Susan is the enforcer here, not a cowering follower of the herd.

    Let's be clear here. All this SJW nonsense is ideological. These are not "impersonal forces" like say the market forces that more or less constrain widget maker A from paying higher wages lest widget maker B under-price him and drive him out of business. All this SJW b.s.--race, immigration, sex, LBQWERTY, etc. etc.--is completely ideological. It from entirely from *individual* humans stomping their feet and screaming when someone dissents from their irrationality. Individual humans--with names--are driving this.

    In this case, Susan Wojcicki is precisely the person responsible for firing James Damore for injecting facts and reason into the tech-employment diversity discussion. She is evil--an enemy of rational thought and civilization. She entirely deserves the mark of Cain and whatever ridicule and abuse is heaped upon her.

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  2. Google so stupid to litigate this–any shyster will tell you that Damore will win–big

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    • Replies: @anonymouslee
    Damore has no shot in a northern California court. Zero.

    He and his lawyer know this, just like he knew he'd get fired for writing the memo.
    , @Randal

    Google so stupid to litigate this–any shyster will tell you that Damore will win–big
     
    This appears to be based upon a rather touching faith in the supposed integrity of the US court systems and in the intellectual honesty of the judges likely to be involved, neither of which is much in evidence.

    It's a bit like the naivety of the American white nationalists etc actually expecting the laws protecting their rights to speak and assemble politically to be applied and the police to protect them in their peaceable assembly, of which they were recently so sharply disabused.
    , @AndrewR
    Blind justice has never existed. 200 years ago, the highest court in the land ruled that the negro had no rights which a white man was bound to respect. Today, the white man has no rights which a leftist is bound to respect.
    , @Alden
    He’s a White man. He has no rights.
    , @Bubba
    I think Google will pay him a wheelbarrow of money but first sign a confidentiality agreement.
    , @J.Ross
    It all hangs on what judge they get. All that remains of Obama's legacy is replacing American judges with statist kritarches who legislate from the bench (this was already happening but normalized with aggressive help from Obama).
    ______
    Maybe we need Atlas to Shrug. These people babble like they do, and rip up their own society, because they have absolutely no idea how good they have it. Can you imagine what horrible people her children will grow up to be?
    , @whorefinder
    Not necessarily a bad ploy, if it is part of a plan.

    The cigarette companies back in the day all agreed with one another that they would never EVER settle a lawsuit, and would always litigate to the last. The result? Despite a lot of evidence of cigarettes doing harm, no lawyer/plaintiff wanted to sue them, since it could be literally a decade before the lawyer/plaintiff saw any money. It was just too long a slog.

    This is why cigarette companies have lasted to this day; had they started settling every lawsuit, lawyers would have come out of the woodwork to sue them and get a settlement, and we'd be seeing advertisements on daytime TV from shysters asking, "Have you smoked cigarettes? Have you developed any of the following health problems? Call now!"

    I think cigarette companies even agreed to help each other with legal bills, just to ensure no settlements happened, because it would make them all vulnerable. Basically, beat the few lawyers who tried such a lawsuit into a financial pulp and put them through the ringer for years, and it made an example to all the rest.

    I would not be surprised if Google has had meetings with other major tech companies and other major left-wing converged organizations, such as universities and corporate media, who have all encouraged Google not to give one inch on this lawsuit, lest they all be hoisted on their own petard.

    Some lawyer theories encourage settlement over litigation, but large companies thinking long term might be better off fighting a pitched battle. Think of it like a bouncer at a night club facing a long-line of people pushing to get in. If he starts just letting people without stopping them, everyone rushes for the door. But if's strict, even if one or two people slip in without his noticing, the rest will won't try to rush in.

    And another thing: this lawwsuit will be tried in the corrupt state of CA. Most of those judges are left-wing hacks on the payroll or blackmailed by Soros. the 9th Circuit will say anything Soros demands. So even though on paper the lawsuit looks strong, the corrupt judges in CA can deny Damore justice all the way to the Supreme Court---and we know Kennedy and Roberts can be bought.
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  3. Conclusion: Susan Wojcicki’s kids are smart enough to ask the right question but not yet indoctrinated enough to know that right people should not ever wonder if hatefacts are true.

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    • Agree: Randal, Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
    Precisely.
    , @Banana
    "convincing them that they were less capable" LOL WHAT!? SUSAN, YOU CRAZY BITCH! Learn to read, then learn to think, then comment on this. I have read the memo, she clearly hasn't - or she's too incompetent to understand it, which proves her own delusional point about it.

    Damore was arguing for INDIVIDUALISM and NOT treating everyone as part of a certain group.
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  4. “Is it true?” is a very dangerous question for our honorable friends on the other side. The smart ones rightly treat it as an attack and respond with as much force as they can muster to make it clear which questions will be allowed and which will get you exiled from the tribe.

    As one of the major names in the alt-right puts it, “We have a monopoly on the truth.” Their only play is responding to arguments and questions with censorship and violence.

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    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yep. "True" is a concept like "merit" and "integrity" and "competence" all of which we now know are deeply implicated in systemic racism and sexism.

    Fortunately it's now the Current Year and all of these outmoded, disproven conceits are being left in history's ash can. To be replaced with Vibrant, Shining Diversity and all People of Color and their supporters. Join us, won't you? Join us or die, we mean. Or just die.

    , @Kevin C.

    As one of the major names in the alt-right puts it, “We have a monopoly on the truth.” Their only play is responding to arguments and questions with censorship and violence.
     
    Except, they have enough power that "responding censorship and violence" works. They can silence us, they can crush us, and there's nothing we can do about it.
    , @Mr. Anon

    “Is it true?” is a very dangerous question for our honorable friends on the other side.
     
    They ususually react with something along the lines of "Why would anybody want to know that? Knowing such things is wrong!"

    By the way, in case that was not sarcasm I detected, they are not "honorable", nor are they "friends".
    , @Rod1963
    When you're rich and powerful like Apple, Google, Facef**k and Twitter. You can punish people like Damore as you see fit and on the side promote violence and blacklisting against said ex-employees.

    Truth isn't winning, it's losing to a Orwellian corporate super state.

    Hold the wrong political views and the corporation finds out - you're fired. Nice isn't it?
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  5. I knew Anne and Susan vaguely, but was a classmate of their sister Janet several times over the years.

    Nerd!

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  6. “That really upset me.”

    Sounds like the money shot right there.

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    • Agree: Bubba
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The funny thing is that this very high IQ lady (her father was chairman of the Stanford physics department) doesn't grasp how ladylike she sounds in going on about her feelings regarding her five children and their response to Damore's memo.
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  7. I think where Damore erred perhaps was in suggesting that there was some difference between men and women leading to women being less well represented in tech, not that he was wrong or anything like that. Surely he should’ve foreseen the shit storm of controversy that would have ensued.

    Personally I would’ve focused on attacking the left wing bias at Google and advocating for a culture of meritocracy and left out the HDB part. HBD is one of those things that’s basically social suicide to publicly defend, so I would’ve been a bit smarter and more tactful in my approach, had I been Damore.

    Of course, Google, judging by the document released, is a total piece of shit here so I think all of us should defend James Damore to the bitter end. It’s time to strike back against PC orthodoxy.

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    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @David
    Are you a pussy that hides what you believe for personal convenience or are you a tough guy ready to fight to the bitter end?
    , @Altai
    His mistake was to politicise himself, he had no choice in a way in terms of getting his side of the story out, he could have made his own YouTube channel and done it that way actually. But by appearing on political YouTube shows it makes it seem like he was some kind of ideologue who may have even planned this and from what I've read that isn't the case, he didn't think about these things and when the questions came up in the Google Group he researched it and convinced himself there were differences.
    , @Kevin C.

    It’s time to strike back against PC orthodoxy.
     
    Only if there were a way to meaningfully "strike back" against the New Orthodoxy. But there isn't.
    , @guest
    Should have foreseen it, yes. Which is why many people assumed he wanted out anyway, and left with a blast.

    He could have held his tongue and pushed one thing people pretend to believe in (meritocracy) to counter other things people pretend to believe in (equality, diversity). But there probably wouldn't have been a point. No one would've paid attention. HBD at least makes people pay attention.

    Martin Luther could've criticized the Church within the culture, so to speak, and maybe been pope one day. But he nailed his theses to the door instead. That's striking back.

    So is what Damore's doing. He publicly embarrassed a PC business behemoth. Now he's waging lawfare and spilling beans.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    Liberals and their vibrant pets are melting our culture. You're right, Yan Shen. We white men need to stick together.
    , @AnotherDad

    I think where Damore erred perhaps was in suggesting that there was some difference between men and women leading to women being less well represented in tech ...
     
    Then you're missing the whole point of his memo.

    His point is precisely that women aren't as interested--hence the numbers skew--so stop beating us over the head with these tedious, anti-male, demotivating diversity struggle sessions ... and let us just go back to work.

    He then suggested some mommy-trackish sort of suggestions for making Google more appealing to women.

    Personally I would’ve focused on attacking the left wing bias at Google and advocating for a culture of meritocracy and left out the HDB part. HBD is one of those things that’s basically social suicide to publicly defend,
     
    I know "meritocracy" is a magic word to you and just chanting it is supposed to part the waters. However, to defend meritocracy in the face of demographic numbers skew in our current culture you have to show why the skew is plausible within a "meritocracy". That's what Damore was doing.

    Furthermore while HBD about race--outside of sports--is indeed "beyond the pale", HBD in terms of sex is something that basically everyone understands is true. Everyone who has been through high school, despite whatever indoctrination, knows at some level that men and women are different in attitudes, interests, behaviors. Sex differences are precisely the terrain on which bringing up HBDish reasoning has the most traction with the un-pilled.
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  8. @Cortes
    “That really upset me.”

    Sounds like the money shot right there.

    The funny thing is that this very high IQ lady (her father was chairman of the Stanford physics department) doesn’t grasp how ladylike she sounds in going on about her feelings regarding her five children and their response to Damore’s memo.

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    • Replies: @dearieme
    It's possible to have a high IQ and still be a pearl-clutching ninny: did she intend to demonstrate this fact as a noble act of public education? That's a waste to time. The deplorables already knew and the despicables will deny it.
    , @TheJester
    But how we "feel" about things defines who we are ... whatever bubbles, which usually reflects the phase in a woman's menstrual cycle or the alignment of the planets in a mystical configuration.

    Regardless, "feelings" are lacking in the high-tech industry. Google is taking concrete action to reverse that oversight.

    , @Randal
    Highly intelligent people often fail to apply their intellectual capabilities to the task of examining their own lives, in relation to their ideological positions.

    This was recently brought home to me in the case of one grandfather (long since deceased), who was highly intelligent and a radical left-winger in the early C20th. He was a conscientious objector in the war (not an easy path to take) and a lifelong trade union man, but who absolutely lived his family life in the traditional manner with very clearly defined roles in the household - he was the breadwinner, the gardener etc, whereas his wife's area was definitely the children, the kitchen and managing the social scene.

    He evidently completely failed to resolve the contradiction between what he clearly recognised viscerally as the right way to run a household and a family, and the logical consequences of the theoretical feminism his politics endorsed in public life.
    , @Desiderius
    You say that like it's a bad thing.

    She knows intuitively.

    The real power behind the feminist throne has always been the ladies who lunch crowd and their prime directive is keeping down the capable competition like Damore who threaten their (often illegitimate) status.
    , @guest
    She may be just smart enough to know to play the Mommy Card and the Female Card whenever her position is in doubt.

    Those few paragraphs are an airtight case in PC times. She was dutifully indoctrinating the next generation in egalitarian platitudes, when suddenly their minds were jeopardized by this apostate who had to be put down. What more need a court of law know?

    The article starts out by saying she was on vacation when the evil memo crawled out of the swamp of Male Privilege, which in normal circumstances I would take as possibly a subtle hint the boss was "out to lunch" top often. But there's no such imputation here. I assume that was put in so people could say, "How dare that Damore creep ruin her well-earned vacation?"

    , @stillCARealist
    5 kids? How can you get any more ladylike than 5 kids? Really, that sort of reproductive facility would get her plenty of credibility in the homeschooling/conservative Christian circles. But it should give the anti-people environmentalists hives. I wonder what sort of crowd she hangs with. Likely not her kids if she's a top executive. some nanny is raising them and she shows up for dinners occasionally so she can get some feedback for publicity.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Vapors!
    , @Dr. DoomNGloom
    Very high IQ, but poor reading comprehension. Damore said nothing like he is accused of.
    He said "fewer woman can", not "no woman can". He also suggested that many of those "who can" had other priorities Google wasn't addressing. He then made reasonable suggestions to remedy the latter problem.
    , @Melendwyr
    I'm afraid self-awareness has only a limited correlation with IQ.
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  9. @Meretricious
    Google so stupid to litigate this--any shyster will tell you that Damore will win--big

    Damore has no shot in a northern California court. Zero.

    He and his lawyer know this, just like he knew he’d get fired for writing the memo.

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    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    Well then, at least he decided to go down with all guns blazing.
    , @Big Bill
    He's looking for a settlement. Google is looking for good PR. As long as Damore is ultimately willing to sign a settlement agreement with non-disclosure terms, he will do well. Google is highly motivated to suppress discovery and a trial even if they are confident of eventually winning the case.

    The big question is whether Damore can survive a summary judgment motion on his pleadings. if he can jump that hurdle he will get some serious cash.
    , @Anonymous
    Exactly right. It the current environment it's all for show, especially in the lawyers case in which it's all for publicity.
    , @anon
    If it's true that he has threatening e-mails from higher-ups, then I'd say he has a pretty decent shot at something, if not the whole enchilada.
    , @Kevin C.

    Damore has no shot in a northern California court. Zero.
     
    Indeed, but it's not like he'd have much chance in a court anywhere else in the US either.
    , @Desiderius

    he knew he’d get fired for writing the memo
     
    No, I don't believe that he did. He exhibits a general naivete, a specific ignorance of the dynamics surrounding these issues, and the usual social awkwardness/low-level spectrum characteristics of his milieu.

    Any of the three would be enough to blind him to the likely consequences. Sometimes progress depends on those who are blind in just those ways, as long as they see clearly in others.
    , @Anon
    Perhaps. But read the pdf of the complaint.

    The evidence in the addendum makes a strong case for an overtly hostile work environment encouraged by Sr. Management, in which HR was complicit. It goes well beyond a political disagreement between a few coworkers.

    The evidence is so damming that I would want to know if Damore talked to a lawyer before he even wrote the essay. Google will want to settle to stay out of headlines and keep Sr. Management off the stand. I would not be surprised if the current CEO is eventually forced out because of this.

    , @Unladen Swallow
    No, I think he is very autism spectrum-y, high IQ guys who excel in abstract fields are like that more often then in other fields. He probably thought he would catch some flak within the company but not the very public firing he actually went through, he seemed geniunely surprised by that.

    He did not suspect the SJW reaction would be so dishonest. Such as publicly posting his memo with the sources stripped out and then claiming he didn't cite any research to support his claims, that particular spin dominated the media reports for several days initially.
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  10. @Yan Shen
    I think where Damore erred perhaps was in suggesting that there was some difference between men and women leading to women being less well represented in tech, not that he was wrong or anything like that. Surely he should've foreseen the shit storm of controversy that would have ensued.

    Personally I would've focused on attacking the left wing bias at Google and advocating for a culture of meritocracy and left out the HDB part. HBD is one of those things that's basically social suicide to publicly defend, so I would've been a bit smarter and more tactful in my approach, had I been Damore.

    Of course, Google, judging by the document released, is a total piece of shit here so I think all of us should defend James Damore to the bitter end. It's time to strike back against PC orthodoxy.

    Are you a pussy that hides what you believe for personal convenience or are you a tough guy ready to fight to the bitter end?

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  11. Man it’d be so much better if executives just talked like greedy cigar chomping Gilded Age Mr Monopoly board characters.
    These nerdy women SJW CEOs are the worst.

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  12. Perhaps Damore has a chance of winning if his lawyer is able to show that the Google monopoly is detrimental to society as a whole. It seems like more people are starting to feel that way. See http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2017/12/matt_stoller_on.html

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    • Replies: @guest
    I don't see why that'd be necessary. He's not seeking to bust up the Google trust. He's merely seeking to enforce the labor code.
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  13. The same people who assert that women can be SEALs or Rangers or CEOs or world leaders also act as if women are such delicate creatures that their refined sensibilities must be protected from upsetting thoughts or words ––and they see no contradiction. Their doublethink reflexes are strong.

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    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    The same people who assert that women can be SEALs or Rangers or CEOs or world leaders also act as if women are such delicate creatures that their refined sensibilities must be protected from upsetting thoughts or words ––and they see no contradiction. Their doublethink reflexes are strong.
     
    For you younger guys who weren't around, when this 2nd wave feminism was breaking in the early 70s, the marketing hype was that when women were "liberated" they would be responsible for themselves--their financial needs, their bodies, etc. They would be working shoulder to shoulder to share the burden with us guys, hence it would be great for us to! Since i was young and (ergo) stupid and my (farm girl bred) mom, while highly feminine, was in about the 99%tile of female level-headedness, it didn't sound too ridiculous.

    Needless to say, while the feminist demands have been endless, the "responsible for themselves" bit never seems to show up.
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  14. @rogue-one
    As much as I want to blame her, I cannot. Remember the Apple Diversity Chief who said that a room full of blue eyed, blond, white men could be diverse due to their differing life experiences and ideas? She got fired despite being black.

    If you stick to liberal dogma you get rewarded. If you oppose it you get fired.

    I might repeat the same stuff if I were in her position and didn't want to lose my privileged status.

    Exactly! Just like Nazi prison guards were all innocent — they were just following orders under threat of reprisal. In fact, only Hitler and Geobbels were culpable. Everyone knows that.

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  15. @anonymouslee
    Damore has no shot in a northern California court. Zero.

    He and his lawyer know this, just like he knew he'd get fired for writing the memo.

    Well then, at least he decided to go down with all guns blazing.

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  16. I remember a medic who was doing a research project or a PhD who was complaining about a person she had to work with because he had a very valuable dataset. The guy in question was unpleasant and had no filter and there were lots of reasons to dislike him.

    What shocked me was that the first thing she complained about was not the annoying ways he insisted his Jewish orthodox religious faith was incorporated in his lab, that he once mentioned that women doctors tend to drop out of the profession a lot more. I was confused, I said “But isn’t that a well known problem?”, “Yeah, but you don’t say it to my face.”

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    "Yeah, but you don't say it to my face"

    I guess she's pretending it's like seeing her come back from the bathroom and calling out, "Hey, did poop just come out of your butt?"

    Everybody poops, but we don't have to talk about it in the workplace if we can avoid it.

    Simple facts about human behavior unrelated to such taboo subjects as eachother's excrement ought to be on the table for discussion. Especially if they're relevant to your field.

    But not in our world if it could potentially offend anyone who matters. In other words, anything politically incorrect. Discussion of which, outside of denunciation of wrongthink, is obscene. If not blasphemous.

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  17. @Yan Shen
    I think where Damore erred perhaps was in suggesting that there was some difference between men and women leading to women being less well represented in tech, not that he was wrong or anything like that. Surely he should've foreseen the shit storm of controversy that would have ensued.

    Personally I would've focused on attacking the left wing bias at Google and advocating for a culture of meritocracy and left out the HDB part. HBD is one of those things that's basically social suicide to publicly defend, so I would've been a bit smarter and more tactful in my approach, had I been Damore.

    Of course, Google, judging by the document released, is a total piece of shit here so I think all of us should defend James Damore to the bitter end. It's time to strike back against PC orthodoxy.

    His mistake was to politicise himself, he had no choice in a way in terms of getting his side of the story out, he could have made his own YouTube channel and done it that way actually. But by appearing on political YouTube shows it makes it seem like he was some kind of ideologue who may have even planned this and from what I’ve read that isn’t the case, he didn’t think about these things and when the questions came up in the Google Group he researched it and convinced himself there were differences.

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  18. @Steve Sailer
    The funny thing is that this very high IQ lady (her father was chairman of the Stanford physics department) doesn't grasp how ladylike she sounds in going on about her feelings regarding her five children and their response to Damore's memo.

    It’s possible to have a high IQ and still be a pearl-clutching ninny: did she intend to demonstrate this fact as a noble act of public education? That’s a waste to time. The deplorables already knew and the despicables will deny it.

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    It’s possible to have a high IQ and still be a pearl-clutching ninny
     
    In fact it's amazing how often the two go together.
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  19. @Steve Sailer
    The funny thing is that this very high IQ lady (her father was chairman of the Stanford physics department) doesn't grasp how ladylike she sounds in going on about her feelings regarding her five children and their response to Damore's memo.

    But how we “feel” about things defines who we are … whatever bubbles, which usually reflects the phase in a woman’s menstrual cycle or the alignment of the planets in a mystical configuration.

    Regardless, “feelings” are lacking in the high-tech industry. Google is taking concrete action to reverse that oversight.

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  20. @anonymouslee
    Damore has no shot in a northern California court. Zero.

    He and his lawyer know this, just like he knew he'd get fired for writing the memo.

    He’s looking for a settlement. Google is looking for good PR. As long as Damore is ultimately willing to sign a settlement agreement with non-disclosure terms, he will do well. Google is highly motivated to suppress discovery and a trial even if they are confident of eventually winning the case.

    The big question is whether Damore can survive a summary judgment motion on his pleadings. if he can jump that hurdle he will get some serious cash.

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  21. @Steve Sailer
    The funny thing is that this very high IQ lady (her father was chairman of the Stanford physics department) doesn't grasp how ladylike she sounds in going on about her feelings regarding her five children and their response to Damore's memo.

    Highly intelligent people often fail to apply their intellectual capabilities to the task of examining their own lives, in relation to their ideological positions.

    This was recently brought home to me in the case of one grandfather (long since deceased), who was highly intelligent and a radical left-winger in the early C20th. He was a conscientious objector in the war (not an easy path to take) and a lifelong trade union man, but who absolutely lived his family life in the traditional manner with very clearly defined roles in the household – he was the breadwinner, the gardener etc, whereas his wife’s area was definitely the children, the kitchen and managing the social scene.

    He evidently completely failed to resolve the contradiction between what he clearly recognised viscerally as the right way to run a household and a family, and the logical consequences of the theoretical feminism his politics endorsed in public life.

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  22. @anonymouslee
    "Is it true?" is a very dangerous question for our honorable friends on the other side. The smart ones rightly treat it as an attack and respond with as much force as they can muster to make it clear which questions will be allowed and which will get you exiled from the tribe.

    As one of the major names in the alt-right puts it, "We have a monopoly on the truth." Their only play is responding to arguments and questions with censorship and violence.

    Yep. “True” is a concept like “merit” and “integrity” and “competence” all of which we now know are deeply implicated in systemic racism and sexism.

    Fortunately it’s now the Current Year and all of these outmoded, disproven conceits are being left in history’s ash can. To be replaced with Vibrant, Shining Diversity and all People of Color and their supporters. Join us, won’t you? Join us or die, we mean. Or just die.

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  23. @Meretricious
    Google so stupid to litigate this--any shyster will tell you that Damore will win--big

    Google so stupid to litigate this–any shyster will tell you that Damore will win–big

    This appears to be based upon a rather touching faith in the supposed integrity of the US court systems and in the intellectual honesty of the judges likely to be involved, neither of which is much in evidence.

    It’s a bit like the naivety of the American white nationalists etc actually expecting the laws protecting their rights to speak and assemble politically to be applied and the police to protect them in their peaceable assembly, of which they were recently so sharply disabused.

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  24. then here was this letter that was somehow convincing my kids and many other women in the industry, and men in the industry, convincing them that they were less capable. That really upset me.”

    Translation: “I’ve been feeding lies to my children, and this bozo had the nerve to be more believable and truthful to them than I was. Obviously he had to be un-personned.”

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    Denial of reality is Job#1 for these snowflakes. Human nature is the reality that must be denied above all others.

    Their whole world falls apart if reality intrudes.
    , @rogue-one
    I think she is too smart to actually believe in this shit. Google and youtube make money precisely by categorizing humans and then providing ads in function of their category.

    She is just telling a false charming story about how deeply she believes in the shibboleths of liberal class, how her children are being raised as nice little liberals, and that she is willing to punish those who defile the holies of the liberal faith.
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  25. @anonymouslee
    Damore has no shot in a northern California court. Zero.

    He and his lawyer know this, just like he knew he'd get fired for writing the memo.

    Exactly right. It the current environment it’s all for show, especially in the lawyers case in which it’s all for publicity.

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  26. Women are the natural and eternal enemy of beta males.

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    I miss your media insights, man. When will you next update Whiskey's Place?
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  27. @anonymouslee
    Damore has no shot in a northern California court. Zero.

    He and his lawyer know this, just like he knew he'd get fired for writing the memo.

    If it’s true that he has threatening e-mails from higher-ups, then I’d say he has a pretty decent shot at something, if not the whole enchilada.

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    His shot is hostile work environment but google will just fire back that he created a hostile work environment for thousands of people and most important. “The hostile environment affected their work and affected googles productivity”
    , @Anon
    The emails and messages in the legal complaint are on par with something you would see in Wikileaks, if not worse. Worth a read. The fact that managers were allegedly ignoring this behavior is likely enough for a hostile work environment.
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  28. @rogue-one
    As much as I want to blame her, I cannot. Remember the Apple Diversity Chief who said that a room full of blue eyed, blond, white men could be diverse due to their differing life experiences and ideas? She got fired despite being black.

    If you stick to liberal dogma you get rewarded. If you oppose it you get fired.

    I might repeat the same stuff if I were in her position and didn't want to lose my privileged status.

    What an awful take.

    First of all, she wasn’t publicly asked for her opinion. She chose to use her platform to broadcast her shrill, childish message to the world.

    Secondly, even if I concede (which I won’t) that, had she been asked her opinion publicly, she would have had to condemn Damore’s document in order to keep her job, she wouldn’t have had to do it so hysterically.

    And finally, so what if she loses her job? She’s worth enough that, more than likely, none of her descendants for the next 200 years will likely ever have to work a day in their lives. It’s not like her kids are going to go hungry if she loses her job. She is a hysterical tyrant, and your defense of her is disgusting.

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    Secondly, even if I concede (which I won’t) that, had she been asked her opinion publicly, she would have had to condemn Damore’s document in order to keep her job, she wouldn’t have had to do it so hysterically.
     
    Right. Let us not forget the etymological connection between hysterically and hysterectomy.
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  29. @Meretricious
    Google so stupid to litigate this--any shyster will tell you that Damore will win--big

    Blind justice has never existed. 200 years ago, the highest court in the land ruled that the negro had no rights which a white man was bound to respect. Today, the white man has no rights which a leftist is bound to respect.

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    200 years ago, the highest court in the land ruled that the negro had no rights which a white man was bound to respect
     
    Not even close to true, but thanks for playing, troll.

    The Left can't even lie about history correctly!
    , @Alden
    Which case 200 years ago,
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  30. @rogue-one
    As much as I want to blame her, I cannot. Remember the Apple Diversity Chief who said that a room full of blue eyed, blond, white men could be diverse due to their differing life experiences and ideas? She got fired despite being black.

    If you stick to liberal dogma you get rewarded. If you oppose it you get fired.

    I might repeat the same stuff if I were in her position and didn't want to lose my privileged status.

    She has 300 million dollars. She could afford losing her job, if it ever came to it. But she was also on a first name basis with the owners, Larry and Sergey, so it was highly unlikely she would get fired in the first place. And if she was weak, she could at least have waited until some pressure started to build on her. Like her bosses calling her, or whatever. Instead, she seems to be the one pushing this from the beginning.

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    I agree. To excuse a lottery-winner woman who pretty much has everything she desires makes no sense. She had nothing threatening her - it was her initiative and she clearly believes it. And more so, she believes in enforcing her ideology on others.

    There is a historically unique combination of liberal entitlement, stupidity, cheap labor, surveillance and abnormal social desires that has somehow managed to obtain almost all publicly visible power in the West. On the surface it seems scary, but it is mostly staffed by infantile, narcissistic morons. They have a zero chance of holding it together in the long run, they are too removed from reality. When it collapses, the fall will be steep and the consequences ugly. What comes next might not be better.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    I think the bigger point is that Damore was speaking truths that might have called into question how she'd come by that $300 million. If her kids ever actually examined Wojcicki's talents and compared them to her current status they might have considered a whole series of issues related to those raised by Damore, and having particular relevance when applied to their mother's history. And that would have demolished the propaganda with which she'd so assiduously plied them.
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  31. Her kids asked her if “it was true.” She responded with a blatant lie and propaganda…great parenting!

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  32. @anonymouslee
    "Is it true?" is a very dangerous question for our honorable friends on the other side. The smart ones rightly treat it as an attack and respond with as much force as they can muster to make it clear which questions will be allowed and which will get you exiled from the tribe.

    As one of the major names in the alt-right puts it, "We have a monopoly on the truth." Their only play is responding to arguments and questions with censorship and violence.

    As one of the major names in the alt-right puts it, “We have a monopoly on the truth.” Their only play is responding to arguments and questions with censorship and violence.

    Except, they have enough power that “responding censorship and violence” works. They can silence us, they can crush us, and there’s nothing we can do about it.

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    Correct. In the short term.

    Gen Z and later is a different story. Getting young white boys to go along with anti-white male rhetoric and policy just isn't going to work on generations raised by the internet when we've created an alternative for them there.
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  33. @Meretricious
    Google so stupid to litigate this--any shyster will tell you that Damore will win--big

    He’s a White man. He has no rights.

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  34. @Yan Shen
    I think where Damore erred perhaps was in suggesting that there was some difference between men and women leading to women being less well represented in tech, not that he was wrong or anything like that. Surely he should've foreseen the shit storm of controversy that would have ensued.

    Personally I would've focused on attacking the left wing bias at Google and advocating for a culture of meritocracy and left out the HDB part. HBD is one of those things that's basically social suicide to publicly defend, so I would've been a bit smarter and more tactful in my approach, had I been Damore.

    Of course, Google, judging by the document released, is a total piece of shit here so I think all of us should defend James Damore to the bitter end. It's time to strike back against PC orthodoxy.

    It’s time to strike back against PC orthodoxy.

    Only if there were a way to meaningfully “strike back” against the New Orthodoxy. But there isn’t.

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    Only if there were a way to meaningfully “strike back” against the New Orthodoxy. But there isn’t.
     
    Time will do the trick.

    It's already no longer New.
    , @another fred
    It will collapse like a house on sand when the lies are exposed by nature running its course. The problem is that there is a lot more that will go with it.
    , @Rod1963
    There isn't. They have near unlimited wealth, total access to the legal and political machinery of the system.

    They are in fact a Orwellian corporate state that answers to no one.

    Anyone who kept track of Microsoft growth into a mega-monopoly could see this coming. Congress long ago lost any interest in throttling back monopolists.
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  35. @anonymouslee
    Damore has no shot in a northern California court. Zero.

    He and his lawyer know this, just like he knew he'd get fired for writing the memo.

    Damore has no shot in a northern California court. Zero.

    Indeed, but it’s not like he’d have much chance in a court anywhere else in the US either.

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    Indeed, but it’s not like he’d have much chance in a court anywhere else in the US either.
     
    That's ridiculous. I don't trust a California judge or jury, but in the vast majority of the courts in this country, Google would be in huge trouble.
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  36. @Meretricious
    Google so stupid to litigate this--any shyster will tell you that Damore will win--big

    I think Google will pay him a wheelbarrow of money but first sign a confidentiality agreement.

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    Too late for a confidentiality agreement. He's already spilled the beans. Look at the exhibits to his complaint.
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  37. @Twinkie

    then here was this letter that was somehow convincing my kids and many other women in the industry, and men in the industry, convincing them that they were less capable. That really upset me.”
     
    Translation: “I’ve been feeding lies to my children, and this bozo had the nerve to be more believable and truthful to them than I was. Obviously he had to be un-personned.”

    Denial of reality is Job#1 for these snowflakes. Human nature is the reality that must be denied above all others.

    Their whole world falls apart if reality intrudes.

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  38. If her comment is any indication of her intelligence, she’s probably in an unearned position and would never make the cut if she were applying for her current job on merit alone. She sounds like an inarticulate retard.

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    She certainly does sound retarded, but that's almost certainly more of a function of her emotional disorders than of her raw intelligence. As a general rule, reason and emotion have a zero-sum relationship. The most brilliant people devolve into complete idiots when their endocrine system is in overdrive, and some people have endocrine systems more prone to hyperactivity than other people.

    I'm sure Wojcicki is capable of brilliant insights and great work under the right circumstances, but she clearly lacks the emotional stability and good judgement to be in any sort of position of power and authority, which sadly she definitely is in.
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  39. President Macron of France took a tough stance recently.

    French media got their feelings slightly hurt as well.

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  40. “That really upset me.”

    Obviously another strong woman who richly deserves her place at the top of American industry.

    /s
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  41. @anonymouslee
    "Is it true?" is a very dangerous question for our honorable friends on the other side. The smart ones rightly treat it as an attack and respond with as much force as they can muster to make it clear which questions will be allowed and which will get you exiled from the tribe.

    As one of the major names in the alt-right puts it, "We have a monopoly on the truth." Their only play is responding to arguments and questions with censorship and violence.

    “Is it true?” is a very dangerous question for our honorable friends on the other side.

    They ususually react with something along the lines of “Why would anybody want to know that? Knowing such things is wrong!”

    By the way, in case that was not sarcasm I detected, they are not “honorable”, nor are they “friends”.

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    It's generally phrased as "nothing good could come from finding out that [hate fact] is true." In the leftist mind, acknowledging HBD could only lead to another Holocaust combined with Handmaid's Tale, hence the need to shut it down.

    Pinker, despite being too PC, was spot on in the video posted in the other thread. When the left censors, assaults, attacks and silences anyone who even thinks about speaking honestly about taboo subjects, they lose the ability to put Hatefacts into proper context.

    Leftists could say "yes there are genetically-influenced aggregate group differences in cognition and behavior between the sexes and races, but there is so much individual variation within all groups that we are morally obliged to not prejudge an individual based on the aggregate tendencies of the demographic groups to which the individual belongs."

    That would take much if not all the wind out of the sails of right-wing groups that tend towards a mirror-image extremism of the left (i.e. the people who want a patriarchal white ethnostate where sodomy is a capital offense).

    Instead, by simply attacking and silencing anyone who doesn't completely toe the leftist line, leftists objectively help drive people into the arms of far-right groups. Of course, the non-cucked right isn't exactly free of its own dogma and virtue spiralling either. Even on this blog we see many examples of taboo opinions one cannot express without subjecting oneself to attack.

    , @guest
    Yes, it's true. Remember when Bannon revealed that he was familiar with Camp of the Saints and knew Julius Evola's name? It was as if he showed his membership card in the League of Satan. The mere fact that he knew of their existence was felonious wrongthink and evidence of possible fascism.

    Journalists, of course, are allowed to know of such things. As are professors and other wrongthink watchdogs. They're notbonkers for keeping track, either. Secret Knowledge of suppressed materials is likely to be attained through tainted channels. Most people who know of Evola's existence are probably fascists or anti-fascists. And if you were able to quote chapter and verse of Mein Kampf to counter misrepresentation of Hitler, odds are with you being an enemy of respectable opinion.

    The intellectual difference men and women, on the other hand, is not very secret. Every five year-old knows about it.

    , @Expletive Deleted
    It's a form of the proper mode of address in the English House of Commons (and in Oz and so on). Although opposition MPs are referred to as "the honourable member for", "the honourable gentleman/lady" etc., and "honourable friend" reserved for those members of the House within one's own party. Occasionally used by senior frontbenchers to squish upstarts not strictly on message seated behind them.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/82149.stm
    And yes, when addressing the opposition, it holds more than a tinge of sarcasm. Listen to PMQs sometime. Particularly when the Speaker decides to weigh in and roast somebody, like some abstract tag-team match.
    Unhappily, they aren't allowed to wear their swords in the Chamber any more. I'd pay to watch that.
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  42. YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki was on vacation when Silicon Valley suddenly plunged into a bitter debate over sexism.

    The now-infamous “Google memo,” written by engineer James Damore, argued against diversity initiatives at Google and said that female engineers were less capable of leading others.

    She was on vacation when a man suggested that men do most of the work. And her feelings were hurt when a man suggested that women were too easily ruled by emotions.

    What a bad man. And so wrong too.

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  43. According to the wiki her last maternity leave was end of 2014 (when she was 46). I presume that means her youngest is 3. What a rather young age for him/her to be taking an interest in the family business.

    I have come to the conclusion that progressive dinner conversations are vastly different than mine.

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  44. @Steve Sailer
    The funny thing is that this very high IQ lady (her father was chairman of the Stanford physics department) doesn't grasp how ladylike she sounds in going on about her feelings regarding her five children and their response to Damore's memo.

    You say that like it’s a bad thing.

    She knows intuitively.

    The real power behind the feminist throne has always been the ladies who lunch crowd and their prime directive is keeping down the capable competition like Damore who threaten their (often illegitimate) status.

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  45. “The first question they had about it [was], ‘Is that true?’”… That really upset me.”

    I’ll take that as a yes.

    It goes without saying that her children did.

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  46. @Kevin C.

    It’s time to strike back against PC orthodoxy.
     
    Only if there were a way to meaningfully "strike back" against the New Orthodoxy. But there isn't.

    Only if there were a way to meaningfully “strike back” against the New Orthodoxy. But there isn’t.

    Time will do the trick.

    It’s already no longer New.

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    Time will do the trick.
     
    …..along with a big ol helping of relentless mockery!
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  47. @Mr. Anon

    “Is it true?” is a very dangerous question for our honorable friends on the other side.
     
    They ususually react with something along the lines of "Why would anybody want to know that? Knowing such things is wrong!"

    By the way, in case that was not sarcasm I detected, they are not "honorable", nor are they "friends".

    It’s generally phrased as “nothing good could come from finding out that [hate fact] is true.” In the leftist mind, acknowledging HBD could only lead to another Holocaust combined with Handmaid’s Tale, hence the need to shut it down.

    Pinker, despite being too PC, was spot on in the video posted in the other thread. When the left censors, assaults, attacks and silences anyone who even thinks about speaking honestly about taboo subjects, they lose the ability to put Hatefacts into proper context.

    Leftists could say “yes there are genetically-influenced aggregate group differences in cognition and behavior between the sexes and races, but there is so much individual variation within all groups that we are morally obliged to not prejudge an individual based on the aggregate tendencies of the demographic groups to which the individual belongs.”

    That would take much if not all the wind out of the sails of right-wing groups that tend towards a mirror-image extremism of the left (i.e. the people who want a patriarchal white ethnostate where sodomy is a capital offense).

    Instead, by simply attacking and silencing anyone who doesn’t completely toe the leftist line, leftists objectively help drive people into the arms of far-right groups. Of course, the non-cucked right isn’t exactly free of its own dogma and virtue spiralling either. Even on this blog we see many examples of taboo opinions one cannot express without subjecting oneself to attack.

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    (i.e. the people who want a patriarchal white ethnostate where sodomy is a capital offense).
     
    Damn! Like a cold beer on hot summer afternoon, one of those sounds pretty good right about now!
    , @Mr. Anon

    That would take much if not all the wind out of the sails of right-wing groups that tend towards a mirror-image extremism of the left (i.e. the people who want a patriarchal white ethnostate where sodomy is a capital offense).
     
    I don't know if you are aware of this, but prior to about 1960 or 1970 (perhaps even 1980), the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and every nation in western Europe was in effect, and would be considered to be by todays' standards, a patriarchal white ethno-state.
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  48. @anonymouslee
    Damore has no shot in a northern California court. Zero.

    He and his lawyer know this, just like he knew he'd get fired for writing the memo.

    he knew he’d get fired for writing the memo

    No, I don’t believe that he did. He exhibits a general naivete, a specific ignorance of the dynamics surrounding these issues, and the usual social awkwardness/low-level spectrum characteristics of his milieu.

    Any of the three would be enough to blind him to the likely consequences. Sometimes progress depends on those who are blind in just those ways, as long as they see clearly in others.

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    The only real issue is -"can he code?"
    I foresee few employment hiccups in young James's future, if he learns to avoid the Righteous Corporations.
    , @scrivener3
    IMHO it was so carefully crafted that he had the advice of a lawyer while writing it. Perhaps he did not care too much that he was likely to be fired. Maybe he wanted to say the truth after having to swallow so many mendacious lies. Maybe he thought he is young and there will be many jobs/careers. Maybe like Snowdown, he was willing to pay a price to make a statement - he certainly got lots of publicity for his views more than even Steve. Maybe he is young foolish and impulsive and not thinking if he could end up on some sort of blacklist of wrong thinkers. Maybe mid level tech at Google is not so great a job/career now a days.
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  49. @Desiderius

    Only if there were a way to meaningfully “strike back” against the New Orthodoxy. But there isn’t.
     
    Time will do the trick.

    It's already no longer New.

    Time will do the trick.

    …..along with a big ol helping of relentless mockery!

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    relentless mockery
     
    Yeah, they sort of fucked with the wrong demographic.
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  50. @Twinkie

    then here was this letter that was somehow convincing my kids and many other women in the industry, and men in the industry, convincing them that they were less capable. That really upset me.”
     
    Translation: “I’ve been feeding lies to my children, and this bozo had the nerve to be more believable and truthful to them than I was. Obviously he had to be un-personned.”

    I think she is too smart to actually believe in this shit. Google and youtube make money precisely by categorizing humans and then providing ads in function of their category.

    She is just telling a false charming story about how deeply she believes in the shibboleths of liberal class, how her children are being raised as nice little liberals, and that she is willing to punish those who defile the holies of the liberal faith.

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  51. @Twodees Partain
    If her comment is any indication of her intelligence, she's probably in an unearned position and would never make the cut if she were applying for her current job on merit alone. She sounds like an inarticulate retard.

    She certainly does sound retarded, but that’s almost certainly more of a function of her emotional disorders than of her raw intelligence. As a general rule, reason and emotion have a zero-sum relationship. The most brilliant people devolve into complete idiots when their endocrine system is in overdrive, and some people have endocrine systems more prone to hyperactivity than other people.

    I’m sure Wojcicki is capable of brilliant insights and great work under the right circumstances, but she clearly lacks the emotional stability and good judgement to be in any sort of position of power and authority, which sadly she definitely is in.

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    That reinforces my theory that people with high IQs can be total mongoloids. Whether or not that can be attributed to hormones, I don't know. I remember a comment from one black guy who was loading sheetrock into my truck and had to stop to listen to his female boss gripe at him about something.
    When she left, he turned to his co-worker and said, "Damn. That heifer got hommone." I was back on the road headed for home when it hit me that he was saying that her outburst was hormonal in origin. It cracked me up.
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  52. @Kevin C.

    It’s time to strike back against PC orthodoxy.
     
    Only if there were a way to meaningfully "strike back" against the New Orthodoxy. But there isn't.

    It will collapse like a house on sand when the lies are exposed by nature running its course. The problem is that there is a lot more that will go with it.

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    The problem is that there is a lot more that will go with it.
     
    Yeah, like the entirety of industrial civilization. And as many others, including Derbyshire, have pointed out, the Industrial Revolution, once lost, cannot be repeated.
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  53. @Bubba
    I think Google will pay him a wheelbarrow of money but first sign a confidentiality agreement.

    Too late for a confidentiality agreement. He’s already spilled the beans. Look at the exhibits to his complaint.

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    Not if there are more beans to be spilled through discovery. His lawyer is betting that will make them want to settle.
    , @guest
    There are certainly more beans to spill.
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  54. @Kevin C.

    Damore has no shot in a northern California court. Zero.
     
    Indeed, but it's not like he'd have much chance in a court anywhere else in the US either.

    Indeed, but it’s not like he’d have much chance in a court anywhere else in the US either.

    That’s ridiculous. I don’t trust a California judge or jury, but in the vast majority of the courts in this country, Google would be in huge trouble.

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    In the vast majority of the courts all over the country Whites have lost affirmative action lawsuits.

    I’ve followed affirmative action lawsuits since Griggs and Scarlett Gordon in the early 1970s threw out any tests of basic literacy . It’s my thing because I take it very very personally
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  55. Anne was with Uncle Alex, but Alex Rodriguez turned out to be a meathead baseball player, but otherwise … Go Equality!

    As the old 1951 tune goes, “It ain’t the meat it’s the motion”

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  56. Ah the innocence of children.

    This is a crystal clear snapshot ot the dangers of career women and single mothers to their children. She’s bringing a work issue home, emotionally loading it onto her kids, then shaming them for their natural curiosity and search for the truth. Their natural love for their nurturing parent is put into conflict with their need for clarity. No wonder so many kids are developing depression.

    It’s about Mommy’s emotional needs, not the truth, children.

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    You have to learn to humor mommy as a kid every bit as much as boyfriends or husbands humor wives and girlfriends. This is true whether she's working or stays at home. Because homemakers find plenty to bitch about.

    Only, if she's complaining about vacuuming, gossipy neighbors, or rude grocers, it's probably more apparent she just wants to vent and doesn't need your input. If she's bitching about an employee spreading rumors about the productive capacity of women, I can see the instinct to jump in and question her.

    , @whorefinder
    Women bitch to have their feelings validated so they can continue to bitch. Men bitch to seek a solution so they won't have to bitch anymore.

    Seriously, if it weren't for the sex, men wouldn't have anything to do with women.

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  57. @anonymouslee
    "Is it true?" is a very dangerous question for our honorable friends on the other side. The smart ones rightly treat it as an attack and respond with as much force as they can muster to make it clear which questions will be allowed and which will get you exiled from the tribe.

    As one of the major names in the alt-right puts it, "We have a monopoly on the truth." Their only play is responding to arguments and questions with censorship and violence.

    When you’re rich and powerful like Apple, Google, Facef**k and Twitter. You can punish people like Damore as you see fit and on the side promote violence and blacklisting against said ex-employees.

    Truth isn’t winning, it’s losing to a Orwellian corporate super state.

    Hold the wrong political views and the corporation finds out – you’re fired. Nice isn’t it?

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    There is no corporate super state; corporations have very little power. The corporations featured in the original blade runner movie mostly went out of business - conclusive evidence of powerlessness. The universities in power at the time of that filming, however, are still at the top of the heap.

    Almost every corporation in the Dow has been replaced in the last 40 years by new corporations. Inability to survive is conclusive evidence of lack of power. The same congresscritters survive year after year, the same universities stay on top, the same newspapers (NYT Wash post) rule the news for forty plus years. They are the power.

    Corporations get on the diversity and sexual equality bandwagon because they are fearful conventional status quo operators. When mocking blacks was safe and conventional, Disney cartoons mocked blacks, when it was not Disney hid all thair old cartoons doing that.
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  58. Why is she so worried about his “convincing my kids and many other women in the industry, and men in the industry, convincing them that they were less capable”? Couldn’t she just say he was full of $#!+ and go on with dinner? I heard my parents talk about @r$3#0l3$ at work many times.

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    Why is she so worried about his “convincing my kids and many other women in the industry, and men in the industry, convincing them that they were less capable”? Couldn’t she just say he was full of $#!+ and go on with dinner?
     
    It's often psychologically far more difficult to just write someone off as some nobody who's full of it, when what he's saying actually makes sense. Deep down, she understands people like Damore are a threat to her position. And she was bound to figure out some rationale for protecting it.
    , @guest
    She fears a Pandora's Box scenario.

    Sorta like a Victorian father wouldn't want a rake telling his daughter about all the pleasure that could be hers. Only in this case their kids would be the better for knowing.

    , @Maj. Kong
    Damore was a heretic within the citadel.

    Even 30 years ago, the Bay Area had only a few liberal Republicans like Tom Campbell. The vast majority of the population has never had to give one iota of respect to a conservative. California is a one-party state until a new party emerges to the left of the Democrats (hopefully after Calexit).

    There is a sense of palpable fear, that just like the ground beneath them, the Silicon Valley system is unstable. Those who have power fear losing it.
    , @J.Ross
    Gore Vidal greatly admired Charles Lindbergh and spoke to those of his kids that didn't get kidnapped. Apparently, Lindbergh was a somewhat dismal father. There was a kitchen table discussion that was an opposite to this one, where Lindbergh strive funlessly to impress upon his kids the irony of mass production preferring simpler shapes, since, if flashlights were hexagonal instead of cylindrical, you could set them down without them rolling away.
    But in fairness to her, how would a kid evaluate a software engineer? Does she not tell them santa claus-type lies for the sake of avoiding explanations?
    , @Alden
    That probably wasn’t what she said to the kids. She just made it up for publication.

    That’s common with liberals.
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  59. @Kevin C.

    It’s time to strike back against PC orthodoxy.
     
    Only if there were a way to meaningfully "strike back" against the New Orthodoxy. But there isn't.

    There isn’t. They have near unlimited wealth, total access to the legal and political machinery of the system.

    They are in fact a Orwellian corporate state that answers to no one.

    Anyone who kept track of Microsoft growth into a mega-monopoly could see this coming. Congress long ago lost any interest in throttling back monopolists.

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  60. @reiner Tor
    She has 300 million dollars. She could afford losing her job, if it ever came to it. But she was also on a first name basis with the owners, Larry and Sergey, so it was highly unlikely she would get fired in the first place. And if she was weak, she could at least have waited until some pressure started to build on her. Like her bosses calling her, or whatever. Instead, she seems to be the one pushing this from the beginning.

    I agree. To excuse a lottery-winner woman who pretty much has everything she desires makes no sense. She had nothing threatening her – it was her initiative and she clearly believes it. And more so, she believes in enforcing her ideology on others.

    There is a historically unique combination of liberal entitlement, stupidity, cheap labor, surveillance and abnormal social desires that has somehow managed to obtain almost all publicly visible power in the West. On the surface it seems scary, but it is mostly staffed by infantile, narcissistic morons. They have a zero chance of holding it together in the long run, they are too removed from reality. When it collapses, the fall will be steep and the consequences ugly. What comes next might not be better.

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  61. @ben tillman
    Too late for a confidentiality agreement. He's already spilled the beans. Look at the exhibits to his complaint.

    Not if there are more beans to be spilled through discovery. His lawyer is betting that will make them want to settle.

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  62. So I guess Wojcicki is too stupid to explain to her children a point that Damore made clear in his memo: Individual variation in talent and preference is greater than that between the groups in question.

    The point is that if you are going to use statical distributions to “prove” that Google and other tech companies unfairly discriminate, it’s perfectly correct to use statistical distributions of preferences to refute such claims. Doing so says almost nothing about any individual’s preference or ability to excel in a particular job.
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    "Doing so says almost nothing about any individual's preference or ability to excel in a particular job"

    Try telling that to a woman's brain.

    No-good layabout drunks in wifebeaters probably spoke of statistical distributions when they were keeping grandma pregnant in the kitchen while they went out to bang the pretty neighbor lady. (But couldn't get it up, which they took out on grandma.)/s

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  63. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymouslee
    Damore has no shot in a northern California court. Zero.

    He and his lawyer know this, just like he knew he'd get fired for writing the memo.

    Perhaps. But read the pdf of the complaint.

    The evidence in the addendum makes a strong case for an overtly hostile work environment encouraged by Sr. Management, in which HR was complicit. It goes well beyond a political disagreement between a few coworkers.

    The evidence is so damming that I would want to know if Damore talked to a lawyer before he even wrote the essay. Google will want to settle to stay out of headlines and keep Sr. Management off the stand. I would not be surprised if the current CEO is eventually forced out because of this.

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  64. @ben tillman
    Too late for a confidentiality agreement. He's already spilled the beans. Look at the exhibits to his complaint.

    There are certainly more beans to spill.

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  65. @Rosamond Vincy
    Why is she so worried about his "convincing my kids and many other women in the industry, and men in the industry, convincing them that they were less capable"? Couldn't she just say he was full of $#!+ and go on with dinner? I heard my parents talk about @r$3#0l3$ at work many times.

    Why is she so worried about his “convincing my kids and many other women in the industry, and men in the industry, convincing them that they were less capable”? Couldn’t she just say he was full of $#!+ and go on with dinner?

    It’s often psychologically far more difficult to just write someone off as some nobody who’s full of it, when what he’s saying actually makes sense. Deep down, she understands people like Damore are a threat to her position. And she was bound to figure out some rationale for protecting it.

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  66. “That really upset me”

    I’m sure it did. And she’s merely talking about the political or philosophical implications of the memo. The excerpt didn’t talk about whether she assumed Damore was calling her out personally as a diversity hire, and therefore less competent than some Stale, Pale or Asian Male Google might have hired instead.

    That would be the default reaction of females at the company, because that’s how their brains work. Male Others would be sensitive to it as well, though not so sensitive as womenfolk.

    That’s what they mean when they talk about not fitting in with the culture or a hostile work environment. How can diversity hires work with known Noticers? You can’t have diversity and white male Noticing in the same building. It’d be bedlam!

    Which isn’t diversity’s fault. No, it’s the white man’s burden to be both productive enough to carry diversity AND shut up about it.

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  67. @Steve Sailer
    The funny thing is that this very high IQ lady (her father was chairman of the Stanford physics department) doesn't grasp how ladylike she sounds in going on about her feelings regarding her five children and their response to Damore's memo.

    She may be just smart enough to know to play the Mommy Card and the Female Card whenever her position is in doubt.

    Those few paragraphs are an airtight case in PC times. She was dutifully indoctrinating the next generation in egalitarian platitudes, when suddenly their minds were jeopardized by this apostate who had to be put down. What more need a court of law know?

    The article starts out by saying she was on vacation when the evil memo crawled out of the swamp of Male Privilege, which in normal circumstances I would take as possibly a subtle hint the boss was “out to lunch” top often. But there’s no such imputation here. I assume that was put in so people could say, “How dare that Damore creep ruin her well-earned vacation?”

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  68. @Yan Shen
    I think where Damore erred perhaps was in suggesting that there was some difference between men and women leading to women being less well represented in tech, not that he was wrong or anything like that. Surely he should've foreseen the shit storm of controversy that would have ensued.

    Personally I would've focused on attacking the left wing bias at Google and advocating for a culture of meritocracy and left out the HDB part. HBD is one of those things that's basically social suicide to publicly defend, so I would've been a bit smarter and more tactful in my approach, had I been Damore.

    Of course, Google, judging by the document released, is a total piece of shit here so I think all of us should defend James Damore to the bitter end. It's time to strike back against PC orthodoxy.

    Should have foreseen it, yes. Which is why many people assumed he wanted out anyway, and left with a blast.

    He could have held his tongue and pushed one thing people pretend to believe in (meritocracy) to counter other things people pretend to believe in (equality, diversity). But there probably wouldn’t have been a point. No one would’ve paid attention. HBD at least makes people pay attention.

    Martin Luther could’ve criticized the Church within the culture, so to speak, and maybe been pope one day. But he nailed his theses to the door instead. That’s striking back.

    So is what Damore’s doing. He publicly embarrassed a PC business behemoth. Now he’s waging lawfare and spilling beans.

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  69. @Steve Sailer
    The funny thing is that this very high IQ lady (her father was chairman of the Stanford physics department) doesn't grasp how ladylike she sounds in going on about her feelings regarding her five children and their response to Damore's memo.

    5 kids? How can you get any more ladylike than 5 kids? Really, that sort of reproductive facility would get her plenty of credibility in the homeschooling/conservative Christian circles. But it should give the anti-people environmentalists hives. I wonder what sort of crowd she hangs with. Likely not her kids if she’s a top executive. some nanny is raising them and she shows up for dinners occasionally so she can get some feedback for publicity.

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    When that English soccer star Beckham and his wife had a 3rd child the liberals disapproved. When they had the 4th liberals accused them of destroying the planet and global warming and every other sin against the liberal establishment.
    There has been some criticism of Prince William and his wife expecting a 3rd.

    Having a 3rd child nowadays is something to be ashamed of.
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  70. @Mr. Anon

    “Is it true?” is a very dangerous question for our honorable friends on the other side.
     
    They ususually react with something along the lines of "Why would anybody want to know that? Knowing such things is wrong!"

    By the way, in case that was not sarcasm I detected, they are not "honorable", nor are they "friends".

    Yes, it’s true. Remember when Bannon revealed that he was familiar with Camp of the Saints and knew Julius Evola’s name? It was as if he showed his membership card in the League of Satan. The mere fact that he knew of their existence was felonious wrongthink and evidence of possible fascism.

    Journalists, of course, are allowed to know of such things. As are professors and other wrongthink watchdogs. They’re notbonkers for keeping track, either. Secret Knowledge of suppressed materials is likely to be attained through tainted channels. Most people who know of Evola’s existence are probably fascists or anti-fascists. And if you were able to quote chapter and verse of Mein Kampf to counter misrepresentation of Hitler, odds are with you being an enemy of respectable opinion.

    The intellectual difference men and women, on the other hand, is not very secret. Every five year-old knows about it.

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  71. @Steve Sailer
    The funny thing is that this very high IQ lady (her father was chairman of the Stanford physics department) doesn't grasp how ladylike she sounds in going on about her feelings regarding her five children and their response to Damore's memo.

    Vapors!

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  72. @Rosamond Vincy
    Why is she so worried about his "convincing my kids and many other women in the industry, and men in the industry, convincing them that they were less capable"? Couldn't she just say he was full of $#!+ and go on with dinner? I heard my parents talk about @r$3#0l3$ at work many times.

    She fears a Pandora’s Box scenario.

    Sorta like a Victorian father wouldn’t want a rake telling his daughter about all the pleasure that could be hers. Only in this case their kids would be the better for knowing.

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  73. @reiner Tor
    She has 300 million dollars. She could afford losing her job, if it ever came to it. But she was also on a first name basis with the owners, Larry and Sergey, so it was highly unlikely she would get fired in the first place. And if she was weak, she could at least have waited until some pressure started to build on her. Like her bosses calling her, or whatever. Instead, she seems to be the one pushing this from the beginning.

    I think the bigger point is that Damore was speaking truths that might have called into question how she’d come by that $300 million. If her kids ever actually examined Wojcicki’s talents and compared them to her current status they might have considered a whole series of issues related to those raised by Damore, and having particular relevance when applied to their mother’s history. And that would have demolished the propaganda with which she’d so assiduously plied them.

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  74. @Rosamond Vincy
    Why is she so worried about his "convincing my kids and many other women in the industry, and men in the industry, convincing them that they were less capable"? Couldn't she just say he was full of $#!+ and go on with dinner? I heard my parents talk about @r$3#0l3$ at work many times.

    Damore was a heretic within the citadel.

    Even 30 years ago, the Bay Area had only a few liberal Republicans like Tom Campbell. The vast majority of the population has never had to give one iota of respect to a conservative. California is a one-party state until a new party emerges to the left of the Democrats (hopefully after Calexit).

    There is a sense of palpable fear, that just like the ground beneath them, the Silicon Valley system is unstable. Those who have power fear losing it.

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  75. @Anonymous
    Conclusion: Susan Wojcicki's kids are smart enough to ask the right question but not yet indoctrinated enough to know that right people should not ever wonder if hatefacts are true.

    Precisely.

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  76. @Meretricious
    Google so stupid to litigate this--any shyster will tell you that Damore will win--big

    It all hangs on what judge they get. All that remains of Obama’s legacy is replacing American judges with statist kritarches who legislate from the bench (this was already happening but normalized with aggressive help from Obama).
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    Maybe we need Atlas to Shrug. These people babble like they do, and rip up their own society, because they have absolutely no idea how good they have it. Can you imagine what horrible people her children will grow up to be?

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    Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, and both Bushes all appointmented anti White liberal judges.

    It was those judges that desegregated the schools, ordered forced busing made the criminal justice system pro criminal and issued dozens of affirmative action orders that became law.
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  77. @Rosamond Vincy
    Why is she so worried about his "convincing my kids and many other women in the industry, and men in the industry, convincing them that they were less capable"? Couldn't she just say he was full of $#!+ and go on with dinner? I heard my parents talk about @r$3#0l3$ at work many times.

    Gore Vidal greatly admired Charles Lindbergh and spoke to those of his kids that didn’t get kidnapped. Apparently, Lindbergh was a somewhat dismal father. There was a kitchen table discussion that was an opposite to this one, where Lindbergh strive funlessly to impress upon his kids the irony of mass production preferring simpler shapes, since, if flashlights were hexagonal instead of cylindrical, you could set them down without them rolling away.
    But in fairness to her, how would a kid evaluate a software engineer? Does she not tell them santa claus-type lies for the sake of avoiding explanations?

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    Why doesn't she let them follow their interests? There are women in my family who had careers that weren't considered "feminine" when they were growing up. They didn't go into them to prove a point about Gender Stereotypes: they did it because that's what they wanted to do.

    Btw, did you click on the link I posted on my reply to your comment about "babbling lawyers"?
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  78. @anonymouslee
    Damore has no shot in a northern California court. Zero.

    He and his lawyer know this, just like he knew he'd get fired for writing the memo.

    No, I think he is very autism spectrum-y, high IQ guys who excel in abstract fields are like that more often then in other fields. He probably thought he would catch some flak within the company but not the very public firing he actually went through, he seemed geniunely surprised by that.

    He did not suspect the SJW reaction would be so dishonest. Such as publicly posting his memo with the sources stripped out and then claiming he didn’t cite any research to support his claims, that particular spin dominated the media reports for several days initially.

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    He was a grad student in th Harvard biology department before google. He's very aware of what kind of science and truth are tolerated by liberals.
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  79. @J.Ross
    Gore Vidal greatly admired Charles Lindbergh and spoke to those of his kids that didn't get kidnapped. Apparently, Lindbergh was a somewhat dismal father. There was a kitchen table discussion that was an opposite to this one, where Lindbergh strive funlessly to impress upon his kids the irony of mass production preferring simpler shapes, since, if flashlights were hexagonal instead of cylindrical, you could set them down without them rolling away.
    But in fairness to her, how would a kid evaluate a software engineer? Does she not tell them santa claus-type lies for the sake of avoiding explanations?

    Why doesn’t she let them follow their interests? There are women in my family who had careers that weren’t considered “feminine” when they were growing up. They didn’t go into them to prove a point about Gender Stereotypes: they did it because that’s what they wanted to do.

    Btw, did you click on the link I posted on my reply to your comment about “babbling lawyers”?

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    Didn't see link, will do so now. Sexism, but also my experience: many women see their kids as extensions of the actualization of their own personality (ie, what 90% of shopping is for) and not as autonomous individuals. Susan W's kids are there to make Susan W look good, in life as in that virtue-signalling anecdote.
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  80. @anon
    If it's true that he has threatening e-mails from higher-ups, then I'd say he has a pretty decent shot at something, if not the whole enchilada.

    His shot is hostile work environment but google will just fire back that he created a hostile work environment for thousands of people and most important. “The hostile environment affected their work and affected googles productivity”

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  81. @Rosamond Vincy
    Why is she so worried about his "convincing my kids and many other women in the industry, and men in the industry, convincing them that they were less capable"? Couldn't she just say he was full of $#!+ and go on with dinner? I heard my parents talk about @r$3#0l3$ at work many times.

    That probably wasn’t what she said to the kids. She just made it up for publication.

    That’s common with liberals.

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  82. @rogue-one
    As much as I want to blame her, I cannot. Remember the Apple Diversity Chief who said that a room full of blue eyed, blond, white men could be diverse due to their differing life experiences and ideas? She got fired despite being black.

    If you stick to liberal dogma you get rewarded. If you oppose it you get fired.

    I might repeat the same stuff if I were in her position and didn't want to lose my privileged status.

    If you stick to liberal dogma you get rewarded. If you oppose it you get fired.

    I might repeat the same stuff if I were in her position and didn’t want to lose my privileged status.

    It works more like a Medieval tithe system – as long as you make certain public gestures to indicate that you are opposed to privilege (malleabily defined), then you are – where it matters (in your soul) – against privilege, even when every other aspect of your life belies it. An alternative, sometimes complimentary, approach is to focus on the eye of the needle itself, which at present fortunately feels like it is still ‘up for grabs’, and once in hand, malleable enough that one might just be able to stretch or bend it to a shape that allows entry for the particular camel you happen to be – in Wojcicki’s case, a woman.

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  83. @Yan Shen
    I think where Damore erred perhaps was in suggesting that there was some difference between men and women leading to women being less well represented in tech, not that he was wrong or anything like that. Surely he should've foreseen the shit storm of controversy that would have ensued.

    Personally I would've focused on attacking the left wing bias at Google and advocating for a culture of meritocracy and left out the HDB part. HBD is one of those things that's basically social suicide to publicly defend, so I would've been a bit smarter and more tactful in my approach, had I been Damore.

    Of course, Google, judging by the document released, is a total piece of shit here so I think all of us should defend James Damore to the bitter end. It's time to strike back against PC orthodoxy.

    Liberals and their vibrant pets are melting our culture. You’re right, Yan Shen. We white men need to stick together.

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  84. @Rosamond Vincy
    Why doesn't she let them follow their interests? There are women in my family who had careers that weren't considered "feminine" when they were growing up. They didn't go into them to prove a point about Gender Stereotypes: they did it because that's what they wanted to do.

    Btw, did you click on the link I posted on my reply to your comment about "babbling lawyers"?

    Didn’t see link, will do so now. Sexism, but also my experience: many women see their kids as extensions of the actualization of their own personality (ie, what 90% of shopping is for) and not as autonomous individuals. Susan W’s kids are there to make Susan W look good, in life as in that virtue-signalling anecdote.

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  85. @Kevin C.

    As one of the major names in the alt-right puts it, “We have a monopoly on the truth.” Their only play is responding to arguments and questions with censorship and violence.
     
    Except, they have enough power that "responding censorship and violence" works. They can silence us, they can crush us, and there's nothing we can do about it.

    Correct. In the short term.

    Gen Z and later is a different story. Getting young white boys to go along with anti-white male rhetoric and policy just isn’t going to work on generations raised by the internet when we’ve created an alternative for them there.

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    Gen Z and later is a different story. Getting young white boys to go along with anti-white male rhetoric and policy just isn’t going to work on generations raised by the internet when we’ve created an alternative for them there.
     
    You may not have noticed this but this internet you speak of is overwhelmingly dominated by goodthink liberals and is run by globalists. The internet has made the indoctrination of children even easier and even more effective. And it has made social control much easier and much more complete. Gen Z will be the most conformist generation in history.

    Gen Z will also grow up knowing that they have zero chance of getting any halfway decent job if they don't confirm. They will grow up believing that our oppressive corporatist totalitarian state is normality. They will grow up believing that the way things are is the way things must be. They won't want freedom of speech because they won't even understand the concept.

    This "Gen Z will save us" notion is pure wish-fulfilment fantasy.
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  86. @stillCARealist
    5 kids? How can you get any more ladylike than 5 kids? Really, that sort of reproductive facility would get her plenty of credibility in the homeschooling/conservative Christian circles. But it should give the anti-people environmentalists hives. I wonder what sort of crowd she hangs with. Likely not her kids if she's a top executive. some nanny is raising them and she shows up for dinners occasionally so she can get some feedback for publicity.

    When that English soccer star Beckham and his wife had a 3rd child the liberals disapproved. When they had the 4th liberals accused them of destroying the planet and global warming and every other sin against the liberal establishment.
    There has been some criticism of Prince William and his wife expecting a 3rd.

    Having a 3rd child nowadays is something to be ashamed of.

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    As in this case, intra-female shaming is usually borne out of latent resentment and jealousy.

    I've noticed that all the women (and, all the men) currently demanding workplace relationships be banned are unattractive and single. Whereas all the women expressing misgivings are pretty or married.
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  87. @J.Ross
    It all hangs on what judge they get. All that remains of Obama's legacy is replacing American judges with statist kritarches who legislate from the bench (this was already happening but normalized with aggressive help from Obama).
    ______
    Maybe we need Atlas to Shrug. These people babble like they do, and rip up their own society, because they have absolutely no idea how good they have it. Can you imagine what horrible people her children will grow up to be?

    Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, and both Bushes all appointmented anti White liberal judges.

    It was those judges that desegregated the schools, ordered forced busing made the criminal justice system pro criminal and issued dozens of affirmative action orders that became law.

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    Yet even more proof of the Deep State.
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  88. @Steve Sailer
    The funny thing is that this very high IQ lady (her father was chairman of the Stanford physics department) doesn't grasp how ladylike she sounds in going on about her feelings regarding her five children and their response to Damore's memo.

    Very high IQ, but poor reading comprehension. Damore said nothing like he is accused of.
    He said “fewer woman can”, not “no woman can”. He also suggested that many of those “who can” had other priorities Google wasn’t addressing. He then made reasonable suggestions to remedy the latter problem.

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  89. Until healthcare workers, law enforcement and people in education can share frank emails about their true-to-life observations of different populations I don’t really care what happens to some late 20s autist programmer working for an annoying company. Cops and teachers get fired for making mildly off color jokes or comments all the time. Even accidentally sharing them with the wrong person, intentionally even distributing memos to stir up a controversy or conversation.

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  90. @anon
    If it's true that he has threatening e-mails from higher-ups, then I'd say he has a pretty decent shot at something, if not the whole enchilada.

    The emails and messages in the legal complaint are on par with something you would see in Wikileaks, if not worse. Worth a read. The fact that managers were allegedly ignoring this behavior is likely enough for a hostile work environment.

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  91. Her Alma Mater, UC Santa Cruz, is currently honoring her as a famous alum. Apparently they have banners of her likeness all over campus. Perhaps this is no coincidence.

    https://news.ucsc.edu/2018/01/year-of-alumni-wojcicki-susan.html

    Note the headline too.

    Ironically, UCSC is one of the better schools for bio science in Northern California. I’m not surprised, however, because their administration is manifestly anti-white and anti-male.

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    UC Santa Cruz has had various financial scandals involving lesbian colleges presidents and their girlfriends. One president of UC Santa Cruz leapt to her death from the roof of her lesbian lover's San Francisco highrise about a decade ago.
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  92. Having a 3rd child nowadays is something to be ashamed of …

    Not if you are a liberal. Liberalism has a built-in escape valve to charges of irrationality, inconsistency, and the Law of Noncontradiction. If a liberal chooses to do something for no reason at all for his or her individual self-realization, then the choice is “sacred”. That their choice was free of the influence of religion, culture, society, or (God forbid!) the White Male Patriarchy is all the justification required. Everything is relative, you know.

    That Susan Wojcicki makes decisions about James Damore or having five children based on “feelings” proves the point. Susan is a bonafide liberal. Her decisions and actions need no further justification. Indeed, their irrationality and inconsistency prove their value.

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    "If a liberal chooses to do something for no reason at all for his or her individual self-realization, then the choice is “sacred”. "

    It has been my experience that liberals choose to do things for reasons that wouldn't even occur to a normal human being.
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  93. @Roderick Spode
    Her Alma Mater, UC Santa Cruz, is currently honoring her as a famous alum. Apparently they have banners of her likeness all over campus. Perhaps this is no coincidence.

    https://news.ucsc.edu/2018/01/year-of-alumni-wojcicki-susan.html
    Note the headline too.

    Ironically, UCSC is one of the better schools for bio science in Northern California. I'm not surprised, however, because their administration is manifestly anti-white and anti-male.

    UC Santa Cruz has had various financial scandals involving lesbian colleges presidents and their girlfriends. One president of UC Santa Cruz leapt to her death from the roof of her lesbian lover’s San Francisco highrise about a decade ago.

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    I will say this much about UCSC, they have the coolest mascot in college sports

    The banana slug
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  94. @rogue-one
    As much as I want to blame her, I cannot. Remember the Apple Diversity Chief who said that a room full of blue eyed, blond, white men could be diverse due to their differing life experiences and ideas? She got fired despite being black.

    If you stick to liberal dogma you get rewarded. If you oppose it you get fired.

    I might repeat the same stuff if I were in her position and didn't want to lose my privileged status.

    As much as I want to blame her, I cannot.

    If you stick to liberal dogma you get rewarded. If you oppose it you get fired.
    I might repeat the same stuff if I were in her position and didn’t want to lose my privileged status.

    Completely wrong. Susan Wojcicki *drove* the firing of Damore. She’s the one responsible.

    Damore wasn’t even in her company. Google’s Indian CEO was indifferent–would have preferred Damore didn’t write the memo and land this SJW hissy in his lap, but not inclined to fire the guy. SJW Susan threw her girl hissy and the “men” in the room folded like the pathetic pansies they are. (Sad indicator of the state of the West–men fold, when women bitch and scream. You can’t run a civilization if you cave to female fits. Susan should have been bent over someone’s knee and spanked.) Susan is the enforcer here, not a cowering follower of the herd.

    Let’s be clear here. All this SJW nonsense is ideological. These are not “impersonal forces” like say the market forces that more or less constrain widget maker A from paying higher wages lest widget maker B under-price him and drive him out of business. All this SJW b.s.–race, immigration, sex, LBQWERTY, etc. etc.–is completely ideological. It from entirely from *individual* humans stomping their feet and screaming when someone dissents from their irrationality. Individual humans–with names–are driving this.

    In this case, Susan Wojcicki is precisely the person responsible for firing James Damore for injecting facts and reason into the tech-employment diversity discussion. She is evil–an enemy of rational thought and civilization. She entirely deserves the mark of Cain and whatever ridicule and abuse is heaped upon her.

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    "LBQWERTY"

    I like. Is this original?
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  95. @another fred
    It will collapse like a house on sand when the lies are exposed by nature running its course. The problem is that there is a lot more that will go with it.

    The problem is that there is a lot more that will go with it.

    Yeah, like the entirety of industrial civilization. And as many others, including Derbyshire, have pointed out, the Industrial Revolution, once lost, cannot be repeated.

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  96. @Alden
    When that English soccer star Beckham and his wife had a 3rd child the liberals disapproved. When they had the 4th liberals accused them of destroying the planet and global warming and every other sin against the liberal establishment.
    There has been some criticism of Prince William and his wife expecting a 3rd.

    Having a 3rd child nowadays is something to be ashamed of.

    As in this case, intra-female shaming is usually borne out of latent resentment and jealousy.

    I’ve noticed that all the women (and, all the men) currently demanding workplace relationships be banned are unattractive and single. Whereas all the women expressing misgivings are pretty or married.

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  97. In every male field and institution to which they have been admitted, women eventually turn them into Maoist daycare centers.

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  98. @Unladen Swallow
    No, I think he is very autism spectrum-y, high IQ guys who excel in abstract fields are like that more often then in other fields. He probably thought he would catch some flak within the company but not the very public firing he actually went through, he seemed geniunely surprised by that.

    He did not suspect the SJW reaction would be so dishonest. Such as publicly posting his memo with the sources stripped out and then claiming he didn't cite any research to support his claims, that particular spin dominated the media reports for several days initially.

    He was a grad student in th Harvard biology department before google. He’s very aware of what kind of science and truth are tolerated by liberals.

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  99. @Meretricious
    Google so stupid to litigate this--any shyster will tell you that Damore will win--big

    Not necessarily a bad ploy, if it is part of a plan.

    The cigarette companies back in the day all agreed with one another that they would never EVER settle a lawsuit, and would always litigate to the last. The result? Despite a lot of evidence of cigarettes doing harm, no lawyer/plaintiff wanted to sue them, since it could be literally a decade before the lawyer/plaintiff saw any money. It was just too long a slog.

    This is why cigarette companies have lasted to this day; had they started settling every lawsuit, lawyers would have come out of the woodwork to sue them and get a settlement, and we’d be seeing advertisements on daytime TV from shysters asking, “Have you smoked cigarettes? Have you developed any of the following health problems? Call now!”

    I think cigarette companies even agreed to help each other with legal bills, just to ensure no settlements happened, because it would make them all vulnerable. Basically, beat the few lawyers who tried such a lawsuit into a financial pulp and put them through the ringer for years, and it made an example to all the rest.

    I would not be surprised if Google has had meetings with other major tech companies and other major left-wing converged organizations, such as universities and corporate media, who have all encouraged Google not to give one inch on this lawsuit, lest they all be hoisted on their own petard.

    Some lawyer theories encourage settlement over litigation, but large companies thinking long term might be better off fighting a pitched battle. Think of it like a bouncer at a night club facing a long-line of people pushing to get in. If he starts just letting people without stopping them, everyone rushes for the door. But if’s strict, even if one or two people slip in without his noticing, the rest will won’t try to rush in.

    And another thing: this lawwsuit will be tried in the corrupt state of CA. Most of those judges are left-wing hacks on the payroll or blackmailed by Soros. the 9th Circuit will say anything Soros demands. So even though on paper the lawsuit looks strong, the corrupt judges in CA can deny Damore justice all the way to the Supreme Court—and we know Kennedy and Roberts can be bought.

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    Disney has never offered a settlement and thus doesn’t get sued.
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  100. @Zach
    Perhaps Damore has a chance of winning if his lawyer is able to show that the Google monopoly is detrimental to society as a whole. It seems like more people are starting to feel that way. See http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2017/12/matt_stoller_on.html

    I don’t see why that’d be necessary. He’s not seeking to bust up the Google trust. He’s merely seeking to enforce the labor code.

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  101. @Altai
    I remember a medic who was doing a research project or a PhD who was complaining about a person she had to work with because he had a very valuable dataset. The guy in question was unpleasant and had no filter and there were lots of reasons to dislike him.

    What shocked me was that the first thing she complained about was not the annoying ways he insisted his Jewish orthodox religious faith was incorporated in his lab, that he once mentioned that women doctors tend to drop out of the profession a lot more. I was confused, I said "But isn't that a well known problem?", "Yeah, but you don't say it to my face."

    “Yeah, but you don’t say it to my face”

    I guess she’s pretending it’s like seeing her come back from the bathroom and calling out, “Hey, did poop just come out of your butt?”

    Everybody poops, but we don’t have to talk about it in the workplace if we can avoid it.

    Simple facts about human behavior unrelated to such taboo subjects as eachother’s excrement ought to be on the table for discussion. Especially if they’re relevant to your field.

    But not in our world if it could potentially offend anyone who matters. In other words, anything politically incorrect. Discussion of which, outside of denunciation of wrongthink, is obscene. If not blasphemous.

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  102. @AndrewR
    Blind justice has never existed. 200 years ago, the highest court in the land ruled that the negro had no rights which a white man was bound to respect. Today, the white man has no rights which a leftist is bound to respect.

    200 years ago, the highest court in the land ruled that the negro had no rights which a white man was bound to respect

    Not even close to true, but thanks for playing, troll.

    The Left can’t even lie about history correctly!

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  103. @Alden
    Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, and both Bushes all appointmented anti White liberal judges.

    It was those judges that desegregated the schools, ordered forced busing made the criminal justice system pro criminal and issued dozens of affirmative action orders that became law.

    Yet even more proof of the Deep State.

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    Not the Deep State in this case, but the Cathedral. Of which the Deep State is only an extension.

    Our great minds are pulled into universities. Universities, and important law schools (Harvard, Yale, Columbia) especially, are controlled by leftists. Shouldn't be any surprise judges end up pushing leftism.
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  104. @AndrewR
    She certainly does sound retarded, but that's almost certainly more of a function of her emotional disorders than of her raw intelligence. As a general rule, reason and emotion have a zero-sum relationship. The most brilliant people devolve into complete idiots when their endocrine system is in overdrive, and some people have endocrine systems more prone to hyperactivity than other people.

    I'm sure Wojcicki is capable of brilliant insights and great work under the right circumstances, but she clearly lacks the emotional stability and good judgement to be in any sort of position of power and authority, which sadly she definitely is in.

    That reinforces my theory that people with high IQs can be total mongoloids. Whether or not that can be attributed to hormones, I don’t know. I remember a comment from one black guy who was loading sheetrock into my truck and had to stop to listen to his female boss gripe at him about something.
    When she left, he turned to his co-worker and said, “Damn. That heifer got hommone.” I was back on the road headed for home when it hit me that he was saying that her outburst was hormonal in origin. It cracked me up.

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    Hyper-nerdy/Spergy/Spectrum people are subject to a phenomenon sometimes known as "flooding" or "sensory overload", leading to "meltdowns". Possibly linked to some neurotransmitter or other (GABA?). It can be terrifying and violent, or just bafflingly irrational, solipsistic and annoying.
    , @ScarletNumber
    There is an IQ cliff in the sense that after a certain point having more IQ points tends to be counterproductive.
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  105. @Antlitz Grollheim
    Ah the innocence of children.

    This is a crystal clear snapshot ot the dangers of career women and single mothers to their children. She's bringing a work issue home, emotionally loading it onto her kids, then shaming them for their natural curiosity and search for the truth. Their natural love for their nurturing parent is put into conflict with their need for clarity. No wonder so many kids are developing depression.

    It's about Mommy's emotional needs, not the truth, children.

    You have to learn to humor mommy as a kid every bit as much as boyfriends or husbands humor wives and girlfriends. This is true whether she’s working or stays at home. Because homemakers find plenty to bitch about.

    Only, if she’s complaining about vacuuming, gossipy neighbors, or rude grocers, it’s probably more apparent she just wants to vent and doesn’t need your input. If she’s bitching about an employee spreading rumors about the productive capacity of women, I can see the instinct to jump in and question her.

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  106. @TheJester

    Having a 3rd child nowadays is something to be ashamed of ...
     
    Not if you are a liberal. Liberalism has a built-in escape valve to charges of irrationality, inconsistency, and the Law of Noncontradiction. If a liberal chooses to do something for no reason at all for his or her individual self-realization, then the choice is "sacred". That their choice was free of the influence of religion, culture, society, or (God forbid!) the White Male Patriarchy is all the justification required. Everything is relative, you know.

    That Susan Wojcicki makes decisions about James Damore or having five children based on "feelings" proves the point. Susan is a bonafide liberal. Her decisions and actions need no further justification. Indeed, their irrationality and inconsistency prove their value.

    “If a liberal chooses to do something for no reason at all for his or her individual self-realization, then the choice is “sacred”. ”

    It has been my experience that liberals choose to do things for reasons that wouldn’t even occur to a normal human being.

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  107. @Spud Boy
    So I guess Wojcicki is too stupid to explain to her children a point that Damore made clear in his memo: Individual variation in talent and preference is greater than that between the groups in question.

    The point is that if you are going to use statical distributions to "prove" that Google and other tech companies unfairly discriminate, it's perfectly correct to use statistical distributions of preferences to refute such claims. Doing so says almost nothing about any individual's preference or ability to excel in a particular job.
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    .

    “Doing so says almost nothing about any individual’s preference or ability to excel in a particular job”

    Try telling that to a woman’s brain.

    No-good layabout drunks in wifebeaters probably spoke of statistical distributions when they were keeping grandma pregnant in the kitchen while they went out to bang the pretty neighbor lady. (But couldn’t get it up, which they took out on grandma.)/s

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  108. @whorefinder
    Not necessarily a bad ploy, if it is part of a plan.

    The cigarette companies back in the day all agreed with one another that they would never EVER settle a lawsuit, and would always litigate to the last. The result? Despite a lot of evidence of cigarettes doing harm, no lawyer/plaintiff wanted to sue them, since it could be literally a decade before the lawyer/plaintiff saw any money. It was just too long a slog.

    This is why cigarette companies have lasted to this day; had they started settling every lawsuit, lawyers would have come out of the woodwork to sue them and get a settlement, and we'd be seeing advertisements on daytime TV from shysters asking, "Have you smoked cigarettes? Have you developed any of the following health problems? Call now!"

    I think cigarette companies even agreed to help each other with legal bills, just to ensure no settlements happened, because it would make them all vulnerable. Basically, beat the few lawyers who tried such a lawsuit into a financial pulp and put them through the ringer for years, and it made an example to all the rest.

    I would not be surprised if Google has had meetings with other major tech companies and other major left-wing converged organizations, such as universities and corporate media, who have all encouraged Google not to give one inch on this lawsuit, lest they all be hoisted on their own petard.

    Some lawyer theories encourage settlement over litigation, but large companies thinking long term might be better off fighting a pitched battle. Think of it like a bouncer at a night club facing a long-line of people pushing to get in. If he starts just letting people without stopping them, everyone rushes for the door. But if's strict, even if one or two people slip in without his noticing, the rest will won't try to rush in.

    And another thing: this lawwsuit will be tried in the corrupt state of CA. Most of those judges are left-wing hacks on the payroll or blackmailed by Soros. the 9th Circuit will say anything Soros demands. So even though on paper the lawsuit looks strong, the corrupt judges in CA can deny Damore justice all the way to the Supreme Court---and we know Kennedy and Roberts can be bought.

    Disney has never offered a settlement and thus doesn’t get sued.

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  109. @whorefinder
    Yet even more proof of the Deep State.

    Not the Deep State in this case, but the Cathedral. Of which the Deep State is only an extension.

    Our great minds are pulled into universities. Universities, and important law schools (Harvard, Yale, Columbia) especially, are controlled by leftists. Shouldn’t be any surprise judges end up pushing leftism.

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    Our great minds are pulled into universities.
     
    Cite needed.

    Tree from it's fruit, etc.
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  110. @ben tillman

    Indeed, but it’s not like he’d have much chance in a court anywhere else in the US either.
     
    That's ridiculous. I don't trust a California judge or jury, but in the vast majority of the courts in this country, Google would be in huge trouble.

    In the vast majority of the courts all over the country Whites have lost affirmative action lawsuits.

    I’ve followed affirmative action lawsuits since Griggs and Scarlett Gordon in the early 1970s threw out any tests of basic literacy . It’s my thing because I take it very very personally

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    None of those cases had facts like these.
    , @AnotherDad

    In the vast majority of the courts all over the country Whites have lost affirmative action lawsuits.
     
    Damore isn't an affirmative action case.

    The core case that seems pretty winnable, is being fired for discussing better working conditions--on a forum that Google setup to do just that no less!--which is (I've read) illegal under California law.
    , @guest
    This isn't an affirmative action issue. He was illegally fired for voicing his opinions, after Google solicited them. Dieversity just so happened to be the subject.
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  111. @Mr. Anon

    “Is it true?” is a very dangerous question for our honorable friends on the other side.
     
    They ususually react with something along the lines of "Why would anybody want to know that? Knowing such things is wrong!"

    By the way, in case that was not sarcasm I detected, they are not "honorable", nor are they "friends".

    It’s a form of the proper mode of address in the English House of Commons (and in Oz and so on). Although opposition MPs are referred to as “the honourable member for”, “the honourable gentleman/lady” etc., and “honourable friend” reserved for those members of the House within one’s own party. Occasionally used by senior frontbenchers to squish upstarts not strictly on message seated behind them.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/82149.stm

    And yes, when addressing the opposition, it holds more than a tinge of sarcasm. Listen to PMQs sometime. Particularly when the Speaker decides to weigh in and roast somebody, like some abstract tag-team match.
    Unhappily, they aren’t allowed to wear their swords in the Chamber any more. I’d pay to watch that.

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  112. I was hoping Damore would start his own company and grind Google into dust, but instead he decided to go litigious. That’s disappointing. It makes me question his engineer chops.

    Loved his memo, but as to the merits of his case, it loses to the principle of employment at will.

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    I was hoping Damore would start his own company and grind Google into dust, but instead he decided to go litigious. That’s disappointing. It makes me question his engineer chops.
     
    And beats or.
    , @guest
    Who's to say he wouldn't found his own company with seed money from a settlement or judgement?

    The merits of his case are based in California labor law. "Employment at will" doesn't have a say.
    , @Mr. Anon

    I was hoping Damore would start his own company and grind Google into dust, but instead he decided to go litigious. That’s disappointing. It makes me question his engineer chops.
     
    Sure, because if you can't bury one of the largest and most powerful corporations in the history of the world, what good are you anyway?

    By that standard, you're no damned good either.
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  113. @Antlitz Grollheim
    Ah the innocence of children.

    This is a crystal clear snapshot ot the dangers of career women and single mothers to their children. She's bringing a work issue home, emotionally loading it onto her kids, then shaming them for their natural curiosity and search for the truth. Their natural love for their nurturing parent is put into conflict with their need for clarity. No wonder so many kids are developing depression.

    It's about Mommy's emotional needs, not the truth, children.

    Women bitch to have their feelings validated so they can continue to bitch. Men bitch to seek a solution so they won’t have to bitch anymore.

    Seriously, if it weren’t for the sex, men wouldn’t have anything to do with women.

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  114. @Desiderius

    he knew he’d get fired for writing the memo
     
    No, I don't believe that he did. He exhibits a general naivete, a specific ignorance of the dynamics surrounding these issues, and the usual social awkwardness/low-level spectrum characteristics of his milieu.

    Any of the three would be enough to blind him to the likely consequences. Sometimes progress depends on those who are blind in just those ways, as long as they see clearly in others.

    The only real issue is -”can he code?”
    I foresee few employment hiccups in young James’s future, if he learns to avoid the Righteous Corporations.

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  115. @Twodees Partain
    That reinforces my theory that people with high IQs can be total mongoloids. Whether or not that can be attributed to hormones, I don't know. I remember a comment from one black guy who was loading sheetrock into my truck and had to stop to listen to his female boss gripe at him about something.
    When she left, he turned to his co-worker and said, "Damn. That heifer got hommone." I was back on the road headed for home when it hit me that he was saying that her outburst was hormonal in origin. It cracked me up.

    Hyper-nerdy/Spergy/Spectrum people are subject to a phenomenon sometimes known as “flooding” or “sensory overload”, leading to “meltdowns”. Possibly linked to some neurotransmitter or other (GABA?). It can be terrifying and violent, or just bafflingly irrational, solipsistic and annoying.

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  116. @fish

    Time will do the trick.
     
    …..along with a big ol helping of relentless mockery!

    relentless mockery

    Yeah, they sort of fucked with the wrong demographic.

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  117. @gp
    I was hoping Damore would start his own company and grind Google into dust, but instead he decided to go litigious. That's disappointing. It makes me question his engineer chops.

    Loved his memo, but as to the merits of his case, it loses to the principle of employment at will.

    I was hoping Damore would start his own company and grind Google into dust, but instead he decided to go litigious. That’s disappointing. It makes me question his engineer chops.

    And beats or.

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  118. @guest
    Not the Deep State in this case, but the Cathedral. Of which the Deep State is only an extension.

    Our great minds are pulled into universities. Universities, and important law schools (Harvard, Yale, Columbia) especially, are controlled by leftists. Shouldn't be any surprise judges end up pushing leftism.

    Our great minds are pulled into universities.

    Cite needed.

    Tree from it’s fruit, etc.

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  119. @Alden
    In the vast majority of the courts all over the country Whites have lost affirmative action lawsuits.

    I’ve followed affirmative action lawsuits since Griggs and Scarlett Gordon in the early 1970s threw out any tests of basic literacy . It’s my thing because I take it very very personally

    None of those cases had facts like these.

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    I reiterate my prediction that it hangs on the judge. I hope that Dhillon sought out a septuagenarian.
    , @Alden
    A black woman Scarlett Gordon failed a San Francisco county exam because she couldn’t read the questions let alone answer them corrrectly. The job was a professional job that required a BA. This college grad couldn’t read. She sued and won.

    Duke power company had a rule that all employees had to have finished 6 th grade. A black man Griggs dropped out before he finished 6 grade. The federal courts ruled that the 6 th grade requirement was race discrimination

    Kaiser vs Weber. Kaiser Steel had a requirement that all foremen had to:

    1 Have a high school degree or GED

    2. Pass a simple literacy math test to show that they could read and understand manuals memos and instruction memos and write memos
    and make up vacation schedules, shift schedules etc

    Weber was a White who sued in the grounds that he had a high school diploma and passed the test with a high score but Kaiser Steel promoted a black who failed the written test

    Weber lost. In other words, a few evil liberal judges ruled that race is the only thing to be considered in promotions

    And we wonder why the steel mills moved over seas.

    The state department hires black women foreign service officers who get scores of 40 out of a possible 100 on the written test.
    , @Kevin C.
    As if facts actually matter in our courts anymore on political issues like this, rather than pure "who, whom?"
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  120. @AndrewR
    What an awful take.

    First of all, she wasn't publicly asked for her opinion. She chose to use her platform to broadcast her shrill, childish message to the world.

    Secondly, even if I concede (which I won't) that, had she been asked her opinion publicly, she would have had to condemn Damore's document in order to keep her job, she wouldn't have had to do it so hysterically.

    And finally, so what if she loses her job? She's worth enough that, more than likely, none of her descendants for the next 200 years will likely ever have to work a day in their lives. It's not like her kids are going to go hungry if she loses her job. She is a hysterical tyrant, and your defense of her is disgusting.

    Secondly, even if I concede (which I won’t) that, had she been asked her opinion publicly, she would have had to condemn Damore’s document in order to keep her job, she wouldn’t have had to do it so hysterically.

    Right. Let us not forget the etymological connection between hysterically and hysterectomy.

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  121. @ben tillman
    None of those cases had facts like these.

    I reiterate my prediction that it hangs on the judge. I hope that Dhillon sought out a septuagenarian.

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  122. Rogue-one said:

    If you stick to liberal dogma you get rewarded. If you oppose it you get fired.

    I might repeat the same stuff if I were in her position and didn’t want to lose my privileged status.

    Then Steve said:

    The funny thing is that this very high IQ lady (her father was chairman of the Stanford physics department) doesn’t grasp how ladylike she sounds in going on about her feelings regarding her five children and their response to Damore’s memo.

    If you wanted to undermine the narrative while ostensibly complying with it, Woj’s behavior would be a good way to do so.

    Not that I think that’s why Woj did it.

    Women are the natural and eternal enemy of beta males.

    A very creepy worldview that defies the theory of evolution, for starters. But it’s good for the Jews, so there’s that.

    Except, they have enough power that “responding censorship and violence” works. They can silence us, they can crush us, and there’s nothing we can do about it.

    Not really. They can run us off their digital property, that’s about it. “The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.” It’s true; crackdowns are a great way to erode your own legitimacy and send recruits your enemies’ way. That’s precisely what’s happening.

    They ususually react with something along the lines of “Why would anybody want to know that? Knowing such things is wrong!”

    Who but a racist/sexist/[etc] would want to learn so many hatefacts?

    It’s generally phrased as “nothing good could come from finding out that [hate fact] is true.” In the leftist mind, acknowledging HBD could only lead to another Holocaust combined with Handmaid’s Tale, hence the need to shut it down.

    That’s as big a lie as the rest of the leftist narrative. Destroying the trumped-up charges the left has brought against Whites for Black failure (and fully intend to bring against as-yet-unborn White children, for as long as they can get away with it) is a huge good. Beating false charges is a cause good people of all races and ethnic groups are naturally drawn to.

    Truth isn’t winning, it’s losing to a Orwellian corporate super state.

    Regimes in a good place don’t need crackdowns. Frightened, threatened, unpersuasive regimes do.

    There is a sense of palpable fear, that just like the ground beneath them, the Silicon Valley system is unstable. Those who have power fear losing it.

    The less legitimate the hold on power, the greater the fear.

    When that English soccer star Beckham and his wife had a 3rd child the liberals disapproved. When they had the 4th liberals accused them of destroying the planet and global warming and every other sin against the liberal establishment.
    There has been some criticism of Prince William and his wife expecting a 3rd.

    Having a 3rd child nowadays is something to be ashamed of.

    For Whites only. Israelis, Palestinians, sub-Saharan blacks…all pumping them out by the litter. Crickets chirping from the left.

    Yeah, like the entirety of industrial civilization. And as many others, including Derbyshire, have pointed out, the Industrial Revolution, once lost, cannot be repeated.

    Lol, WTF does that mean? Sounds like nonsense.

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  123. Disney has never offered a settlement and thus doesn’t get sued.

    The parallel with Jews is obvious. Whites need to form a corporation and pursue a zero tolerance legal strategy, too.

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    The parallel with Jews is obvious. Whites need to form a corporation and pursue a zero tolerance legal strategy, too.
     
    Thanks to the movements discussed in the The Culture of Critique, the possibility of organizing was effectively ruled out before we even woke up. But, of course, I'm all for giving it a try.
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  124. @Desiderius

    he knew he’d get fired for writing the memo
     
    No, I don't believe that he did. He exhibits a general naivete, a specific ignorance of the dynamics surrounding these issues, and the usual social awkwardness/low-level spectrum characteristics of his milieu.

    Any of the three would be enough to blind him to the likely consequences. Sometimes progress depends on those who are blind in just those ways, as long as they see clearly in others.

    IMHO it was so carefully crafted that he had the advice of a lawyer while writing it. Perhaps he did not care too much that he was likely to be fired. Maybe he wanted to say the truth after having to swallow so many mendacious lies. Maybe he thought he is young and there will be many jobs/careers. Maybe like Snowdown, he was willing to pay a price to make a statement – he certainly got lots of publicity for his views more than even Steve. Maybe he is young foolish and impulsive and not thinking if he could end up on some sort of blacklist of wrong thinkers. Maybe mid level tech at Google is not so great a job/career now a days.

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  125. @Rod1963
    When you're rich and powerful like Apple, Google, Facef**k and Twitter. You can punish people like Damore as you see fit and on the side promote violence and blacklisting against said ex-employees.

    Truth isn't winning, it's losing to a Orwellian corporate super state.

    Hold the wrong political views and the corporation finds out - you're fired. Nice isn't it?

    There is no corporate super state; corporations have very little power. The corporations featured in the original blade runner movie mostly went out of business – conclusive evidence of powerlessness. The universities in power at the time of that filming, however, are still at the top of the heap.

    Almost every corporation in the Dow has been replaced in the last 40 years by new corporations. Inability to survive is conclusive evidence of lack of power. The same congresscritters survive year after year, the same universities stay on top, the same newspapers (NYT Wash post) rule the news for forty plus years. They are the power.

    Corporations get on the diversity and sexual equality bandwagon because they are fearful conventional status quo operators. When mocking blacks was safe and conventional, Disney cartoons mocked blacks, when it was not Disney hid all thair old cartoons doing that.

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    There is no corporate super state; corporations have very little power. The corporations featured in the original blade runner movie mostly went out of business – conclusive evidence of powerlessness. The universities in power at the time of that filming, however, are still at the top of the heap.
     
    Universities are corporations. Not just in a formal legal sense today but also in a long historical synonymity.
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  126. @scrivener3
    There is no corporate super state; corporations have very little power. The corporations featured in the original blade runner movie mostly went out of business - conclusive evidence of powerlessness. The universities in power at the time of that filming, however, are still at the top of the heap.

    Almost every corporation in the Dow has been replaced in the last 40 years by new corporations. Inability to survive is conclusive evidence of lack of power. The same congresscritters survive year after year, the same universities stay on top, the same newspapers (NYT Wash post) rule the news for forty plus years. They are the power.

    Corporations get on the diversity and sexual equality bandwagon because they are fearful conventional status quo operators. When mocking blacks was safe and conventional, Disney cartoons mocked blacks, when it was not Disney hid all thair old cartoons doing that.

    There is no corporate super state; corporations have very little power. The corporations featured in the original blade runner movie mostly went out of business – conclusive evidence of powerlessness. The universities in power at the time of that filming, however, are still at the top of the heap.

    Universities are corporations. Not just in a formal legal sense today but also in a long historical synonymity.

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  127. @AndrewR
    It's generally phrased as "nothing good could come from finding out that [hate fact] is true." In the leftist mind, acknowledging HBD could only lead to another Holocaust combined with Handmaid's Tale, hence the need to shut it down.

    Pinker, despite being too PC, was spot on in the video posted in the other thread. When the left censors, assaults, attacks and silences anyone who even thinks about speaking honestly about taboo subjects, they lose the ability to put Hatefacts into proper context.

    Leftists could say "yes there are genetically-influenced aggregate group differences in cognition and behavior between the sexes and races, but there is so much individual variation within all groups that we are morally obliged to not prejudge an individual based on the aggregate tendencies of the demographic groups to which the individual belongs."

    That would take much if not all the wind out of the sails of right-wing groups that tend towards a mirror-image extremism of the left (i.e. the people who want a patriarchal white ethnostate where sodomy is a capital offense).

    Instead, by simply attacking and silencing anyone who doesn't completely toe the leftist line, leftists objectively help drive people into the arms of far-right groups. Of course, the non-cucked right isn't exactly free of its own dogma and virtue spiralling either. Even on this blog we see many examples of taboo opinions one cannot express without subjecting oneself to attack.

    (i.e. the people who want a patriarchal white ethnostate where sodomy is a capital offense).

    Damn! Like a cold beer on hot summer afternoon, one of those sounds pretty good right about now!

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  128. @Svigor

    Disney has never offered a settlement and thus doesn’t get sued.
     
    The parallel with Jews is obvious. Whites need to form a corporation and pursue a zero tolerance legal strategy, too.

    The parallel with Jews is obvious. Whites need to form a corporation and pursue a zero tolerance legal strategy, too.

    Thanks to the movements discussed in the The Culture of Critique, the possibility of organizing was effectively ruled out before we even woke up. But, of course, I’m all for giving it a try.

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  129. @Yan Shen
    I think where Damore erred perhaps was in suggesting that there was some difference between men and women leading to women being less well represented in tech, not that he was wrong or anything like that. Surely he should've foreseen the shit storm of controversy that would have ensued.

    Personally I would've focused on attacking the left wing bias at Google and advocating for a culture of meritocracy and left out the HDB part. HBD is one of those things that's basically social suicide to publicly defend, so I would've been a bit smarter and more tactful in my approach, had I been Damore.

    Of course, Google, judging by the document released, is a total piece of shit here so I think all of us should defend James Damore to the bitter end. It's time to strike back against PC orthodoxy.

    I think where Damore erred perhaps was in suggesting that there was some difference between men and women leading to women being less well represented in tech …

    Then you’re missing the whole point of his memo.

    His point is precisely that women aren’t as interested–hence the numbers skew–so stop beating us over the head with these tedious, anti-male, demotivating diversity struggle sessions … and let us just go back to work.

    He then suggested some mommy-trackish sort of suggestions for making Google more appealing to women.

    Personally I would’ve focused on attacking the left wing bias at Google and advocating for a culture of meritocracy and left out the HDB part. HBD is one of those things that’s basically social suicide to publicly defend,

    I know “meritocracy” is a magic word to you and just chanting it is supposed to part the waters. However, to defend meritocracy in the face of demographic numbers skew in our current culture you have to show why the skew is plausible within a “meritocracy”. That’s what Damore was doing.

    Furthermore while HBD about race–outside of sports–is indeed “beyond the pale”, HBD in terms of sex is something that basically everyone understands is true. Everyone who has been through high school, despite whatever indoctrination, knows at some level that men and women are different in attitudes, interests, behaviors. Sex differences are precisely the terrain on which bringing up HBDish reasoning has the most traction with the un-pilled.

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  130. @Alden
    In the vast majority of the courts all over the country Whites have lost affirmative action lawsuits.

    I’ve followed affirmative action lawsuits since Griggs and Scarlett Gordon in the early 1970s threw out any tests of basic literacy . It’s my thing because I take it very very personally

    In the vast majority of the courts all over the country Whites have lost affirmative action lawsuits.

    Damore isn’t an affirmative action case.

    The core case that seems pretty winnable, is being fired for discussing better working conditions–on a forum that Google setup to do just that no less!–which is (I’ve read) illegal under California law.

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    Which is part of what makes me wonder if this isn't a Rosa Parks scenario - an ideal candidate is carefully coached as how to make an actionable case.

    If so, more power to him!
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  131. @Whiskey
    Women are the natural and eternal enemy of beta males.

    I miss your media insights, man. When will you next update Whiskey’s Place?

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  132. @whorefinder

    200 years ago, the highest court in the land ruled that the negro had no rights which a white man was bound to respect
     
    Not even close to true, but thanks for playing, troll.

    The Left can't even lie about history correctly!

    You are the worst troll on this site.

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    Truth hurts, eh, trolly?
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  133. @Tom-in-VA
    The same people who assert that women can be SEALs or Rangers or CEOs or world leaders also act as if women are such delicate creatures that their refined sensibilities must be protected from upsetting thoughts or words ––and they see no contradiction. Their doublethink reflexes are strong.

    The same people who assert that women can be SEALs or Rangers or CEOs or world leaders also act as if women are such delicate creatures that their refined sensibilities must be protected from upsetting thoughts or words ––and they see no contradiction. Their doublethink reflexes are strong.

    For you younger guys who weren’t around, when this 2nd wave feminism was breaking in the early 70s, the marketing hype was that when women were “liberated” they would be responsible for themselves–their financial needs, their bodies, etc. They would be working shoulder to shoulder to share the burden with us guys, hence it would be great for us to! Since i was young and (ergo) stupid and my (farm girl bred) mom, while highly feminine, was in about the 99%tile of female level-headedness, it didn’t sound too ridiculous.

    Needless to say, while the feminist demands have been endless, the “responsible for themselves” bit never seems to show up.

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  134. @dearieme
    It's possible to have a high IQ and still be a pearl-clutching ninny: did she intend to demonstrate this fact as a noble act of public education? That's a waste to time. The deplorables already knew and the despicables will deny it.

    It’s possible to have a high IQ and still be a pearl-clutching ninny

    In fact it’s amazing how often the two go together.

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  135. @Alden
    In the vast majority of the courts all over the country Whites have lost affirmative action lawsuits.

    I’ve followed affirmative action lawsuits since Griggs and Scarlett Gordon in the early 1970s threw out any tests of basic literacy . It’s my thing because I take it very very personally

    This isn’t an affirmative action issue. He was illegally fired for voicing his opinions, after Google solicited them. Dieversity just so happened to be the subject.

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  136. @AndrewR
    It's generally phrased as "nothing good could come from finding out that [hate fact] is true." In the leftist mind, acknowledging HBD could only lead to another Holocaust combined with Handmaid's Tale, hence the need to shut it down.

    Pinker, despite being too PC, was spot on in the video posted in the other thread. When the left censors, assaults, attacks and silences anyone who even thinks about speaking honestly about taboo subjects, they lose the ability to put Hatefacts into proper context.

    Leftists could say "yes there are genetically-influenced aggregate group differences in cognition and behavior between the sexes and races, but there is so much individual variation within all groups that we are morally obliged to not prejudge an individual based on the aggregate tendencies of the demographic groups to which the individual belongs."

    That would take much if not all the wind out of the sails of right-wing groups that tend towards a mirror-image extremism of the left (i.e. the people who want a patriarchal white ethnostate where sodomy is a capital offense).

    Instead, by simply attacking and silencing anyone who doesn't completely toe the leftist line, leftists objectively help drive people into the arms of far-right groups. Of course, the non-cucked right isn't exactly free of its own dogma and virtue spiralling either. Even on this blog we see many examples of taboo opinions one cannot express without subjecting oneself to attack.

    That would take much if not all the wind out of the sails of right-wing groups that tend towards a mirror-image extremism of the left (i.e. the people who want a patriarchal white ethnostate where sodomy is a capital offense).

    I don’t know if you are aware of this, but prior to about 1960 or 1970 (perhaps even 1980), the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and every nation in western Europe was in effect, and would be considered to be by todays’ standards, a patriarchal white ethno-state.

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  137. @gp
    I was hoping Damore would start his own company and grind Google into dust, but instead he decided to go litigious. That's disappointing. It makes me question his engineer chops.

    Loved his memo, but as to the merits of his case, it loses to the principle of employment at will.

    Who’s to say he wouldn’t found his own company with seed money from a settlement or judgement?

    The merits of his case are based in California labor law. “Employment at will” doesn’t have a say.

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  138. @gp
    I was hoping Damore would start his own company and grind Google into dust, but instead he decided to go litigious. That's disappointing. It makes me question his engineer chops.

    Loved his memo, but as to the merits of his case, it loses to the principle of employment at will.

    I was hoping Damore would start his own company and grind Google into dust, but instead he decided to go litigious. That’s disappointing. It makes me question his engineer chops.

    Sure, because if you can’t bury one of the largest and most powerful corporations in the history of the world, what good are you anyway?

    By that standard, you’re no damned good either.

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  139. @Mr. Anon

    That would take much if not all the wind out of the sails of right-wing groups that tend towards a mirror-image extremism of the left (i.e. the people who want a patriarchal white ethnostate where sodomy is a capital offense).
     
    I don't know if you are aware of this, but prior to about 1960 or 1970 (perhaps even 1980), the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and every nation in western Europe was in effect, and would be considered to be by todays' standards, a patriarchal white ethno-state.

    I do know you’re aware that your smartass comment adds no value to the discussion here.

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  140. @AndrewR
    You are the worst troll on this site.

    Truth hurts, eh, trolly?

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  141. @anonymouslee
    Correct. In the short term.

    Gen Z and later is a different story. Getting young white boys to go along with anti-white male rhetoric and policy just isn't going to work on generations raised by the internet when we've created an alternative for them there.

    Gen Z and later is a different story. Getting young white boys to go along with anti-white male rhetoric and policy just isn’t going to work on generations raised by the internet when we’ve created an alternative for them there.

    You may not have noticed this but this internet you speak of is overwhelmingly dominated by goodthink liberals and is run by globalists. The internet has made the indoctrination of children even easier and even more effective. And it has made social control much easier and much more complete. Gen Z will be the most conformist generation in history.

    Gen Z will also grow up knowing that they have zero chance of getting any halfway decent job if they don’t confirm. They will grow up believing that our oppressive corporatist totalitarian state is normality. They will grow up believing that the way things are is the way things must be. They won’t want freedom of speech because they won’t even understand the concept.

    This “Gen Z will save us” notion is pure wish-fulfilment fantasy.

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  142. @Anonymous
    Conclusion: Susan Wojcicki's kids are smart enough to ask the right question but not yet indoctrinated enough to know that right people should not ever wonder if hatefacts are true.

    “convincing them that they were less capable” LOL WHAT!? SUSAN, YOU CRAZY BITCH! Learn to read, then learn to think, then comment on this. I have read the memo, she clearly hasn’t – or she’s too incompetent to understand it, which proves her own delusional point about it.

    Damore was arguing for INDIVIDUALISM and NOT treating everyone as part of a certain group.

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  143. @Twodees Partain
    That reinforces my theory that people with high IQs can be total mongoloids. Whether or not that can be attributed to hormones, I don't know. I remember a comment from one black guy who was loading sheetrock into my truck and had to stop to listen to his female boss gripe at him about something.
    When she left, he turned to his co-worker and said, "Damn. That heifer got hommone." I was back on the road headed for home when it hit me that he was saying that her outburst was hormonal in origin. It cracked me up.

    There is an IQ cliff in the sense that after a certain point having more IQ points tends to be counterproductive.

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    Actually, this is false. Studies show that like money, having more IQ is better - the higher your IQ, the higher your income, longevity, etc. There is no such thing as too much. There is no cliff or even a point where the curve turns back down again. The old stereotype that too much genius was not a good thing is just not true statistically. Of course there are individual failures but on the whole more is better.


    That being said, like money, high IQ can be a mixed blessing - every positive thing has a certain downside, but on the whole the upside outweighs the downside at every level.

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  144. @AnotherDad

    As much as I want to blame her, I cannot.
    ...
    If you stick to liberal dogma you get rewarded. If you oppose it you get fired.
    I might repeat the same stuff if I were in her position and didn’t want to lose my privileged status.
     
    Completely wrong. Susan Wojcicki *drove* the firing of Damore. She's the one responsible.

    Damore wasn't even in her company. Google's Indian CEO was indifferent--would have preferred Damore didn't write the memo and land this SJW hissy in his lap, but not inclined to fire the guy. SJW Susan threw her girl hissy and the "men" in the room folded like the pathetic pansies they are. (Sad indicator of the state of the West--men fold, when women bitch and scream. You can't run a civilization if you cave to female fits. Susan should have been bent over someone's knee and spanked.) Susan is the enforcer here, not a cowering follower of the herd.

    Let's be clear here. All this SJW nonsense is ideological. These are not "impersonal forces" like say the market forces that more or less constrain widget maker A from paying higher wages lest widget maker B under-price him and drive him out of business. All this SJW b.s.--race, immigration, sex, LBQWERTY, etc. etc.--is completely ideological. It from entirely from *individual* humans stomping their feet and screaming when someone dissents from their irrationality. Individual humans--with names--are driving this.

    In this case, Susan Wojcicki is precisely the person responsible for firing James Damore for injecting facts and reason into the tech-employment diversity discussion. She is evil--an enemy of rational thought and civilization. She entirely deserves the mark of Cain and whatever ridicule and abuse is heaped upon her.

    “LBQWERTY”

    I like. Is this original?

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  145. @ScarletNumber
    There is an IQ cliff in the sense that after a certain point having more IQ points tends to be counterproductive.

    Actually, this is false. Studies show that like money, having more IQ is better – the higher your IQ, the higher your income, longevity, etc. There is no such thing as too much. There is no cliff or even a point where the curve turns back down again. The old stereotype that too much genius was not a good thing is just not true statistically. Of course there are individual failures but on the whole more is better.

    That being said, like money, high IQ can be a mixed blessing – every positive thing has a certain downside, but on the whole the upside outweighs the downside at every level.

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    Yeah, I don't believe this.
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  146. scrivener3 says: • Website
    January 11, 2018 at 2:31 am GMT • 100 Words

    I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Big Media does a lot more than required, and seems pretty enthusiastic about it. There’s nothing surprising about this: Jews run BM and they vote 70% Democrat (and you could make a case they run the Democrat Party, too).

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  147. @AndrewR
    Blind justice has never existed. 200 years ago, the highest court in the land ruled that the negro had no rights which a white man was bound to respect. Today, the white man has no rights which a leftist is bound to respect.

    Which case 200 years ago,

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  148. @Jack D
    Actually, this is false. Studies show that like money, having more IQ is better - the higher your IQ, the higher your income, longevity, etc. There is no such thing as too much. There is no cliff or even a point where the curve turns back down again. The old stereotype that too much genius was not a good thing is just not true statistically. Of course there are individual failures but on the whole more is better.


    That being said, like money, high IQ can be a mixed blessing - every positive thing has a certain downside, but on the whole the upside outweighs the downside at every level.

    Yeah, I don’t believe this.

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  149. @ben tillman
    None of those cases had facts like these.

    A black woman Scarlett Gordon failed a San Francisco county exam because she couldn’t read the questions let alone answer them corrrectly. The job was a professional job that required a BA. This college grad couldn’t read. She sued and won.

    Duke power company had a rule that all employees had to have finished 6 th grade. A black man Griggs dropped out before he finished 6 grade. The federal courts ruled that the 6 th grade requirement was race discrimination

    Kaiser vs Weber. Kaiser Steel had a requirement that all foremen had to:

    1 Have a high school degree or GED

    2. Pass a simple literacy math test to show that they could read and understand manuals memos and instruction memos and write memos
    and make up vacation schedules, shift schedules etc

    Weber was a White who sued in the grounds that he had a high school diploma and passed the test with a high score but Kaiser Steel promoted a black who failed the written test

    Weber lost. In other words, a few evil liberal judges ruled that race is the only thing to be considered in promotions

    And we wonder why the steel mills moved over seas.

    The state department hires black women foreign service officers who get scores of 40 out of a possible 100 on the written test.

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    Do you have a link for Scarlett Gordon?
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  150. @Steve Sailer
    The funny thing is that this very high IQ lady (her father was chairman of the Stanford physics department) doesn't grasp how ladylike she sounds in going on about her feelings regarding her five children and their response to Damore's memo.

    I’m afraid self-awareness has only a limited correlation with IQ.

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  151. seems to me what she said is EXACTLY what he said.

    If i’m her lawyer i’m going to tell her to settle the lawsuit he’s bringing against the company.

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  152. @AnotherDad

    In the vast majority of the courts all over the country Whites have lost affirmative action lawsuits.
     
    Damore isn't an affirmative action case.

    The core case that seems pretty winnable, is being fired for discussing better working conditions--on a forum that Google setup to do just that no less!--which is (I've read) illegal under California law.

    Which is part of what makes me wonder if this isn’t a Rosa Parks scenario – an ideal candidate is carefully coached as how to make an actionable case.

    If so, more power to him!

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  153. @Steve Sailer
    UC Santa Cruz has had various financial scandals involving lesbian colleges presidents and their girlfriends. One president of UC Santa Cruz leapt to her death from the roof of her lesbian lover's San Francisco highrise about a decade ago.

    I will say this much about UCSC, they have the coolest mascot in college sports

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    The banana slug

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  154. @ben tillman
    None of those cases had facts like these.

    As if facts actually matter in our courts anymore on political issues like this, rather than pure “who, whom?”

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  155. @Alden
    A black woman Scarlett Gordon failed a San Francisco county exam because she couldn’t read the questions let alone answer them corrrectly. The job was a professional job that required a BA. This college grad couldn’t read. She sued and won.

    Duke power company had a rule that all employees had to have finished 6 th grade. A black man Griggs dropped out before he finished 6 grade. The federal courts ruled that the 6 th grade requirement was race discrimination

    Kaiser vs Weber. Kaiser Steel had a requirement that all foremen had to:

    1 Have a high school degree or GED

    2. Pass a simple literacy math test to show that they could read and understand manuals memos and instruction memos and write memos
    and make up vacation schedules, shift schedules etc

    Weber was a White who sued in the grounds that he had a high school diploma and passed the test with a high score but Kaiser Steel promoted a black who failed the written test

    Weber lost. In other words, a few evil liberal judges ruled that race is the only thing to be considered in promotions

    And we wonder why the steel mills moved over seas.

    The state department hires black women foreign service officers who get scores of 40 out of a possible 100 on the written test.

    Do you have a link for Scarlett Gordon?

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