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From The Onion:

Young Girls Creeped Out By Older Scientists Constantly Trying To Lure Them Into STEM

… “They always try to treat us like we’re special, but the truth is, they’ll go after pretty much any girl under 18 who can draw a simple parallel circuit diagram. They’re clearly trying to groom girls for their weird lifestyle from a young age. At first it was kind of funny, but the more we learn, the more it just seems gross.” The poll also revealed that some scientists also seem to have a thing for young black and latino boys.

 
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  1. Repeatedly quoting the Onion isn’t going to do much for your theory that you can’t do political humor anymore.

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    • Replies: @Warner
    I think the point, rather, is that even The pozzed Onion is finally making fun of the SJW agenda. About 13 years too late to be cutting-edge or witty. But it's noteworthy.
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  2. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    Onion Woke

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  3. Warner says:
    @anony-mouse
    Repeatedly quoting the Onion isn't going to do much for your theory that you can't do political humor anymore.

    I think the point, rather, is that even The pozzed Onion is finally making fun of the SJW agenda. About 13 years too late to be cutting-edge or witty. But it’s noteworthy.

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  4. Lagertha says:

    Love this! It is long-overdue.

    The Onion is trying to seek a new “Alt-Trump” laughiness as they don’t want to continue to lose 50% of the people who had cared about The Onion “pre-Trump.” I mean, SNL has also lost 50%+ of the eyeballs: as have many TV shows & magazines. And, as I have said many times, young people despise Boomers and Gen Xrs – bc they caused all the problems, decades ago, that plague the world right now – they gave a green light to the MIC & Regime Change Ad Infinitum.

    Many magazines and newspapers and TV shows will continue to fold because they made the mistake of hating people for their political/philosophical/religious/diest/ethnic beliefs…and they didn’t realize that Millennnials hate TV and reading…well, only the “Divergent” Millennials hate reading.

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    ... young people despise Boomers and Gen Xrs – bc they caused all the problems, decades ago, that plague the world right now – they gave a green light to the MIC & Regime Change Ad Infinitum.
     
    Sorry, "the MIC & Regime Change" long predate us Gen-Xers. Hell, even the Boomers were just kids when Ike was warning the country about the "military industrial complex".
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  5. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: WNBA team too jetlagged to play forfeits game

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/07/sports/wnba-las-vegas-aces-forfeit.html

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    The players expected that the game would be rescheduled, they didn't want it considered a forfeit.
    They still had four hours to get ready to play, here is an illuminating quote from one of the players.

    “No shoot around,” All-Star guard Kayla McBride tweeted. “No night of sleep. No beds. No food. Right now we will land in DC at 245pm that has us going straight to the gym bc of traffic and bags … and you want us to play? Oh ok.”
     
    Why didn't they have any food, were all the restaurants in DFW closed?

    “Our entire organization has the utmost respect for the very difficult decision our players made, and we stand with them,” said Bill Laimbeer, the Aces’ president of basketball operations and coach.
     
    I wish it was possible to go back in time to 1988 and read this quote to Bill Laimbeer in the Pistons locker room.
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  6. I had a former prof in STEM who lectured us (predominantly guys) about how we needed to change our attitudes in preparation for the avalanche of gals who would descend upon our field of study. He spoke with a sense of doom, as though we, the students would resist or regret and would just have to get used to having more babes around in our labs. Hah! “Welcome chicks!” was our attitude.

    Then I would see him interacting with the one or two babes who already were in our field and it was disgusting. He, a middle-aged dude, would faun over them and practically stick his tongue in their ears when he bent over their desks to give them some personal assistance in response to their questions. Yuk.

    The Onion (and you Steve) as usual, ironic and witty and, from my experience anyway, all too true.

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    • Replies: @J.Ross
    It is true that they demand you do X and then, like, three months later, whine about how creepy/racist/selfish/stupid it is when you do X.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    He, a middle-aged dude, would faun over them and practically stick his tongue in their ears...
     
    Good God, I hope you meant "fawn"!


    https://shop.creepyhollows.com/images/P/faun-01.jpg

    https://assets.catawiki.nl/assets/2016/7/12/d/7/d/d7d848bc-481a-11e6-843d-00d0ce20a7bc.jpg

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  7. Anonym says:
    @anony-mouse
    Repeatedly quoting the Onion isn't going to do much for your theory that you can't do political humor anymore.

    The exception – it proves the rule.

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  8. J.Ross says: • Website

    On topic: France has just eliminated age of consent. It had already happened before this that two pedophiles walked when prosecutors could not positively prove nonconsent. Possible motive: Muslims, arrested left and right for sexual emergencies, will feel more at home. Now we know who Macron really is.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-sex-age-consent-minimum-national-assembly-vote-15-rape-a8355516.html

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/yournewswire.com/french-law-children-consent-sex/amp/

    The draft bill against sexual and gender-based violence, known as the Schiappa law, was signed into law by the French Parliament on 3 August, sparking outrage in France as parents and children’s rights groups accuse Emmanuel Macron’s government of betraying the nation’s children.
    The lack of an age of consent places millions of children in serious danger of sexual abuse in France, according to child protection officials.
    Childrens’ rights groups criticised Emmanuel Macron’s government for failing to provide a legal age of consent to protect children, pointing to the recent decision by French courts to refuse to prosecute two pedophiles for the rape of 11-year-old girls because authorities couldn’t prove the children did not consent.

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    On topic: France has just eliminated age of consent ... Now we know who Macron really is.
     
    Sheee-it! How do you think Macron met his wife?

    https://pics.me.me/april-1980-first-vacation-in-saint-tropez-for-the-macron-19747637.png
    , @Truth
    #you'renext

    And it happened while The Donna was purposefully making an ass of himself, and the Unzistas were rationalizing it.
    , @Anon
    The article is really hard to understand, but it sounds like it might be that there has never been an age of consent in France. Further, it sounds like the law in fact does create 10 and 20 year prison sentences for sex with under 15, depending on consent. But yeah, it's confusing.

    Meanwhile:

    The bill also introduces a new offence for "sexist abuse" in the public space which includes sexists behaviour, comments on a person's physique and wolf-whistling with offenders facing a €90 (£79) fine.
     
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    God damn those French bastards.
    , @Twinkie
    Snopes says not true: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/france-law-children-consent-sex/
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  9. snorlax says:

    New York Times or Onion?

    It has long been true that women are paid less than men at work and do more of the labor at home. It turns out those patterns start as early as childhood.

    Although there are a few signs that the gap is shrinking, a variety of data shows that girls still spend more time on household chores than boys do. They are also paid less than boys for doing chores and have smaller allowances.

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  10. J.Ross says: • Website
    @ThreeCranes
    I had a former prof in STEM who lectured us (predominantly guys) about how we needed to change our attitudes in preparation for the avalanche of gals who would descend upon our field of study. He spoke with a sense of doom, as though we, the students would resist or regret and would just have to get used to having more babes around in our labs. Hah! "Welcome chicks!" was our attitude.

    Then I would see him interacting with the one or two babes who already were in our field and it was disgusting. He, a middle-aged dude, would faun over them and practically stick his tongue in their ears when he bent over their desks to give them some personal assistance in response to their questions. Yuk.

    The Onion (and you Steve) as usual, ironic and witty and, from my experience anyway, all too true.

    It is true that they demand you do X and then, like, three months later, whine about how creepy/racist/selfish/stupid it is when you do X.

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  11. Anon[631] • Disclaimer says:

    Reads like the Wikipedia entry on Wikipedia (i.e. there aren’t more female editors due to some kind of psychic male intimidation of anonymous feminists). Sure, men are far more likely to do things like collect stamps, be online commenters, study chess, and … well, do everything of note that requires long and tedious work without any social contact, but it’s not like this same logic could apply to unpaid random people volunteering their time and effort to curate an encyclopedic website filled with boring facts about science and history, right? I mean, they don’t even talk about each other behind their backs over there.

    “Repeatedly quoting the Onion isn’t going to do much for your theory that you can’t do political humor anymore.”

    Getting butt hurt over the Onion mocking your extremist politics isn’t helping matters. Nice concern troll, though.

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    Sure, men are far more likely to... do everything of note that requires long and tedious work...
     
    This is backwards. It's men who reject tedious work. At least mentally tedious. That's why women can knit and sew.

    A former friend who worked in proofreading for a major publisher nailed it when she said, point blank, "Men don't do boring."

    That's why I'm here.

    Men collect stamps and play chess because they're not boring. They're fascinating. Attend any convention or tournament and you'll catch few yawns.
    , @donut
    "I mean, they don’t even talk about each other behind their backs over there." A couple of years ago I somehow found myself on a Wikipedia page that seemed like a chatroom for editors . The subject was Al-Jahiz . There was a bitter tempest raging about the way the page was being edited .
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  12. Anon[631] • Disclaimer says:

    “Then I would see him interacting with the one or two babes who already were in our field and it was disgusting. He, a middle-aged dude, would faun over them.”

    I’ve seen the type: middle-aged, suburban, left-wing d. bag who complains about Trump all the time, married with kids but would spend hours in his office with the new young bombshell in the building who just wanted to get a rec for veterinary school…oh, and they’re always a male feminist, too.

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  13. @ThreeCranes
    I had a former prof in STEM who lectured us (predominantly guys) about how we needed to change our attitudes in preparation for the avalanche of gals who would descend upon our field of study. He spoke with a sense of doom, as though we, the students would resist or regret and would just have to get used to having more babes around in our labs. Hah! "Welcome chicks!" was our attitude.

    Then I would see him interacting with the one or two babes who already were in our field and it was disgusting. He, a middle-aged dude, would faun over them and practically stick his tongue in their ears when he bent over their desks to give them some personal assistance in response to their questions. Yuk.

    The Onion (and you Steve) as usual, ironic and witty and, from my experience anyway, all too true.

    He, a middle-aged dude, would faun over them and practically stick his tongue in their ears…

    Good God, I hope you meant “fawn”!

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    faun, def. "one of a class of lustful rural gods, represented as a man with a goat's horns, ears, legs, and tail."

    I meant fawn but faun works just as well, if not better.

    , @Pericles
    A satyrical comment.
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  14. Anon[631] • Disclaimer says:

    “It is true that they demand you do X and then, like, three months later, whine about how creepy/racist/selfish/stupid it is when you do X.”

    Remember back during the height of #metoo when it came out that men were starting to avoid women and not give them the attention they crave? The narrative then turned into “men need to mentor women in STEMs more.”

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    Who would win in a fight, Mary G. Ross or Wilbur Ross

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  16. @Reg Cæsar

    He, a middle-aged dude, would faun over them and practically stick his tongue in their ears...
     
    Good God, I hope you meant "fawn"!


    https://shop.creepyhollows.com/images/P/faun-01.jpg

    https://assets.catawiki.nl/assets/2016/7/12/d/7/d/d7d848bc-481a-11e6-843d-00d0ce20a7bc.jpg

    faun, def. “one of a class of lustful rural gods, represented as a man with a goat’s horns, ears, legs, and tail.”

    I meant fawn but faun works just as well, if not better.

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  17. Scott Alexander had an Onion-titled, but serious and completely devastating, destruction of a study claiming women are discouraged from academic fields with unreasonable “expectations of brilliance” (math, physics, philosophy, etc).

    PERCEPTIONS OF REQUIRED ABILITY ACT AS A PROXY FOR ACTUAL REQUIRED ABILITY IN EXPLAINING THE GENDER GAP

    http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/01/24/perceptions-of-required-ability-act-as-a-proxy-for-actual-required-ability-in-explaining-the-gender-gap/

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    And that brought into relief part of why this study bothers me. It ignores the pre-existing literature on the importance of innate ability versus hard work. It ignores the rigorous mathematical techniques developed to separate innate ability from hard work. Not only that, but it ignores pre-existing literature on predicting gender balance in different fields, and the pre-existing literature on GRE results and what they mean and how to use them, and all the techniques developed by people in those areas.
     
    He says all this like it’s a bug instead of a feature.
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  18. Twinkie says:

    My wife has a STEM doctorate. She is somewhat unusual in that she has excellent quantitative aptitude and relatively lower verbal ability (she’s pretty terse, especially for a woman, and in college she aced through statistics, which many of her male peers failed). When I asked her once why more women weren’t in STEM, she told me – straight up – “Because women aren’t good at high level math and we are absolutely terrible in physics. That’s why we go play with living things (i.e. biological sciences).”

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    Could you ask her about how she would assess the relative importance of quantitative ability differences, preference differences (e.g. people vs. things), and opportunity cost differences (women who are both quantitatively and verbally adept may have better options than STEM, contrast with high M/low V men) on the male/female balance in STEM?

    I am also interested in your opinion on that.
    , @forgottenpseudonym
    That's why we go play with living things (i.e. men). There, fixed it.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Your wife confirms my anecdotal evidence. It is true.
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  19. Dan Hayes says:

    Steve,

    The workplace will have a dearth of female STEM workers because their male would-have-been colleagues fears of being served myriad sex discrimination lawsuits.

    How can you run afoul of workplace feminazi STEMsters when they’re nonexistent. Potential problem solved!

    PC FEMINISM TRIUMPHS ONCE AGAIN!

    BTW, the logjam might be breaking when even The Onion takes note of current PC peccadilloes.

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  20. @Anon
    Reads like the Wikipedia entry on Wikipedia (i.e. there aren't more female editors due to some kind of psychic male intimidation of anonymous feminists). Sure, men are far more likely to do things like collect stamps, be online commenters, study chess, and ... well, do everything of note that requires long and tedious work without any social contact, but it's not like this same logic could apply to unpaid random people volunteering their time and effort to curate an encyclopedic website filled with boring facts about science and history, right? I mean, they don't even talk about each other behind their backs over there.

    "Repeatedly quoting the Onion isn’t going to do much for your theory that you can’t do political humor anymore."

    Getting butt hurt over the Onion mocking your extremist politics isn't helping matters. Nice concern troll, though.

    Sure, men are far more likely to… do everything of note that requires long and tedious work…

    This is backwards. It’s men who reject tedious work. At least mentally tedious. That’s why women can knit and sew.

    A former friend who worked in proofreading for a major publisher nailed it when she said, point blank, “Men don’t do boring.”

    That’s why I’m here.

    Men collect stamps and play chess because they’re not boring. They’re fascinating. Attend any convention or tournament and you’ll catch few yawns.

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    Electronics manufacturing would grind to a halt with an all male workforce, because electronic assembly is deadly boring. Females run the assembly side of the house in any electronic plant-I've worked in a dozen here in the US and visited dozens more here and ones in Japan and England. PCB stuffing, soldering, rework, automated test operation, and most routine SMT pick and place and wave soldering is all or mostly all female as is winding any transformer under, say 1 to 5 kVA.

    Technicians used to be all male but are roughly 75-25% male to female now and engineers are 80 to 95 percent male. Government contractor or GO-CO (nuclear establishment) plants tend to have more female engineers than other places.

    This will vary on location within the US as technicians in certain places tend to be ex-military, often retired and pulling a pension, predominantly Navy but occasionally AF, Army or Coast Guard. Others have vo tech grads or "Supertech" bachelor's level EET degrees from DeepFried and other such schools in predominance. Supertechs-EET grads-tend to move on to jobs where "any bachelor's degree" is required such as insurance adjusters, banking, et al, or to take "Sales Engineering" jobs for semiconductor or test equipment houses, because production test is frustrating after a while.
    , @Mr. Rational

    It’s men who reject tedious work. At least mentally tedious.
     
    Plowing fields, sawing lumber and splitting firewood, and shoveling manure aren't tedious?  I didn't realize that women ran the traditional farm economy and men sat on the porches their womenfolk built and played chess and philosophized all day. </sarc>

    OTOH, faced with an opportunity to create something to automate a tedious task, men will do it far more often.  If you look at the authors of personal shell scripts and such to automate the humdrum and repetitive, I'll bet 95% of them are men.
    , @Jack D
    This has been known for well over a century. When the 1st telephone exchanges were set up in the 19th century, they initially hired teenage boys to operate the switchboards ("telephone operators" - anyone over a certain age knows what this means - most kids today have never even spoken to one) and it went very poorly. The boys were bored and they got restless. They would play pranks on each other and on the customers, they would use profanity, etc. Then they tried women and it went great - the women loved doing this job.
    , @Jack D
    Collecting things like stamps and coins appeals to men's hoarding instinct and to their love of categorization. Most women find them utterly boring because the objects lack any social connections. Of course it is possible to create social connections at conventions and so on, but the objects themselves are cold and inanimate and women view categorizing them as a waste of time.

    My son had an online coin business for a while and 99% of his customers were male. On the rare occasions when the customer appeared to be female it was usually just a male using his wife's account.

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  21. res says:
    @Twinkie
    My wife has a STEM doctorate. She is somewhat unusual in that she has excellent quantitative aptitude and relatively lower verbal ability (she's pretty terse, especially for a woman, and in college she aced through statistics, which many of her male peers failed). When I asked her once why more women weren't in STEM, she told me - straight up - "Because women aren't good at high level math and we are absolutely terrible in physics. That's why we go play with living things (i.e. biological sciences)."

    Could you ask her about how she would assess the relative importance of quantitative ability differences, preference differences (e.g. people vs. things), and opportunity cost differences (women who are both quantitatively and verbally adept may have better options than STEM, contrast with high M/low V men) on the male/female balance in STEM?

    I am also interested in your opinion on that.

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    how she would assess the relative importance of quantitative ability differences, preference differences (e.g. people vs. things)
     
    I asked. She and I are of the same mind on this: we think that people gravitate to things at which they are good. In other words, both preference and ability are aligned toward things among men and people among women.

    opportunity cost differences (women who are both quantitatively and verbally adept may have better options than STEM, contrast with high M/low V men) on the male/female balance in STEM
     
    No clue. Neither of us knows women with very high M and very high V.
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  22. Anonymous[357] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Sure, men are far more likely to... do everything of note that requires long and tedious work...
     
    This is backwards. It's men who reject tedious work. At least mentally tedious. That's why women can knit and sew.

    A former friend who worked in proofreading for a major publisher nailed it when she said, point blank, "Men don't do boring."

    That's why I'm here.

    Men collect stamps and play chess because they're not boring. They're fascinating. Attend any convention or tournament and you'll catch few yawns.

    Electronics manufacturing would grind to a halt with an all male workforce, because electronic assembly is deadly boring. Females run the assembly side of the house in any electronic plant-I’ve worked in a dozen here in the US and visited dozens more here and ones in Japan and England. PCB stuffing, soldering, rework, automated test operation, and most routine SMT pick and place and wave soldering is all or mostly all female as is winding any transformer under, say 1 to 5 kVA.

    Technicians used to be all male but are roughly 75-25% male to female now and engineers are 80 to 95 percent male. Government contractor or GO-CO (nuclear establishment) plants tend to have more female engineers than other places.

    This will vary on location within the US as technicians in certain places tend to be ex-military, often retired and pulling a pension, predominantly Navy but occasionally AF, Army or Coast Guard. Others have vo tech grads or “Supertech” bachelor’s level EET degrees from DeepFried and other such schools in predominance. Supertechs-EET grads-tend to move on to jobs where “any bachelor’s degree” is required such as insurance adjusters, banking, et al, or to take “Sales Engineering” jobs for semiconductor or test equipment houses, because production test is frustrating after a while.

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    bachelor’s level EET degrees from DeepFried and other such schools
     
    O.K., I'll bite. What is DeepFried? (Hoping it's not autocorrect.)
    , @Reg Cæsar

    This will vary on location within the US as technicians in certain places tend to be ex-military, often retired and pulling a pension, predominantly Navy but occasionally AF, Army or Coast Guard...
     
    The Coast Guard could be quite choosy during draft era, and drew a lot of very smart guys who just didn't belong in college (and thus deferred) for reasons other than intelligence. Jerry Ford saved my class from the draft, but during my years in the USCG, it was obvious I was far from the first oddball college dropout on the ship.

    (My dad, a recent electronics college graduate, enlisted in the CG 1939, just after war broke out in Europe. Whether that was from unemployment or foresight, I never thought to ask him until after he was gone.)

    The last draft refugees should be retiring from their post-service jobs about now.
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  23. Pericles says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    He, a middle-aged dude, would faun over them and practically stick his tongue in their ears...
     
    Good God, I hope you meant "fawn"!


    https://shop.creepyhollows.com/images/P/faun-01.jpg

    https://assets.catawiki.nl/assets/2016/7/12/d/7/d/d7d848bc-481a-11e6-843d-00d0ce20a7bc.jpg

    A satyrical comment.

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    Wonderful when a mistake is so truthful.
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  24. Anonymous[271] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lagertha
    Love this! It is long-overdue.

    The Onion is trying to seek a new "Alt-Trump" laughiness as they don't want to continue to lose 50% of the people who had cared about The Onion "pre-Trump." I mean, SNL has also lost 50%+ of the eyeballs: as have many TV shows & magazines. And, as I have said many times, young people despise Boomers and Gen Xrs - bc they caused all the problems, decades ago, that plague the world right now - they gave a green light to the MIC & Regime Change Ad Infinitum.

    Many magazines and newspapers and TV shows will continue to fold because they made the mistake of hating people for their political/philosophical/religious/diest/ethnic beliefs...and they didn't realize that Millennnials hate TV and reading...well, only the "Divergent" Millennials hate reading.

    … young people despise Boomers and Gen Xrs – bc they caused all the problems, decades ago, that plague the world right now – they gave a green light to the MIC & Regime Change Ad Infinitum.

    Sorry, “the MIC & Regime Change” long predate us Gen-Xers. Hell, even the Boomers were just kids when Ike was warning the country about the “military industrial complex”.

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    • Replies: @Lagertha
    But...the MIC controls us. As does Israel.
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  25. Anonymous[271] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    On topic: France has just eliminated age of consent. It had already happened before this that two pedophiles walked when prosecutors could not positively prove nonconsent. Possible motive: Muslims, arrested left and right for sexual emergencies, will feel more at home. Now we know who Macron really is.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-sex-age-consent-minimum-national-assembly-vote-15-rape-a8355516.html
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/yournewswire.com/french-law-children-consent-sex/amp/

    The draft bill against sexual and gender-based violence, known as the Schiappa law, was signed into law by the French Parliament on 3 August, sparking outrage in France as parents and children’s rights groups accuse Emmanuel Macron’s government of betraying the nation’s children.
    The lack of an age of consent places millions of children in serious danger of sexual abuse in France, according to child protection officials.
    Childrens’ rights groups criticised Emmanuel Macron’s government for failing to provide a legal age of consent to protect children, pointing to the recent decision by French courts to refuse to prosecute two pedophiles for the rape of 11-year-old girls because authorities couldn’t prove the children did not consent.
     

    On topic: France has just eliminated age of consent … Now we know who Macron really is.

    Sheee-it! How do you think Macron met his wife?

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  26. donut says:
    @Anon
    Reads like the Wikipedia entry on Wikipedia (i.e. there aren't more female editors due to some kind of psychic male intimidation of anonymous feminists). Sure, men are far more likely to do things like collect stamps, be online commenters, study chess, and ... well, do everything of note that requires long and tedious work without any social contact, but it's not like this same logic could apply to unpaid random people volunteering their time and effort to curate an encyclopedic website filled with boring facts about science and history, right? I mean, they don't even talk about each other behind their backs over there.

    "Repeatedly quoting the Onion isn’t going to do much for your theory that you can’t do political humor anymore."

    Getting butt hurt over the Onion mocking your extremist politics isn't helping matters. Nice concern troll, though.

    “I mean, they don’t even talk about each other behind their backs over there.” A couple of years ago I somehow found myself on a Wikipedia page that seemed like a chatroom for editors . The subject was Al-Jahiz . There was a bitter tempest raging about the way the page was being edited .

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  27. I work in a STEM field. In computer programming and database management there are just as many women as men working. I don’t know where this issue ever came from. It is as real as Haven Monahan.

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  28. Mr. Anon says:

    #metoo happened in astronomy departments before it did in Hollywood:

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/azeenghorayshi/ott-harassment-investigation#.dfmLJMrQy

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-caltech-professor-resigns-20170802-story.html#

    https://www.aps.org/publications/apsnews/201603/harassment.cfm

    Astronomy attracts a lot female students, and is perhaps the physical science that presents the biggest differential between what people think it is (romantic star-gazing on mountain-tops) and what it really is (years studying physics, data-reduction, writing proposals, etc.)

    In the case of the guy from that buzzfeed story, Christian Ott, he was fired by Cal Tech, even though he was a recently tenured “rising star”. Geoff Marcy, who was one of the first discoverers of exo-planets and one of the most notable astronomers of the last fifty years, was forced to retire from UC Berkeley.

    Some of these guys may be indeed be creepy ear-droolers of the kind that ThreeCranes described, but I imagine a lot of them are just socially inept nerds with few opportunities to meet women outside of work, and who actually like smart women.

    Science used to be an area where talent and accomplishment pretty much trumped every other consideration, but no more. It doesn’t matter how much you’ve done for the field, if you fall afoul of the regime, you are out. Hey, so you discovered DNA? Big deal – what have you done for us lately? Get lost, old dude!

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  29. @Pericles
    A satyrical comment.

    Wonderful when a mistake is so truthful.

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    Wonderful when a mistake is so truthful.

     

    Is that Freudian, or Kinsleyan?
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  30. @Reg Cæsar

    Sure, men are far more likely to... do everything of note that requires long and tedious work...
     
    This is backwards. It's men who reject tedious work. At least mentally tedious. That's why women can knit and sew.

    A former friend who worked in proofreading for a major publisher nailed it when she said, point blank, "Men don't do boring."

    That's why I'm here.

    Men collect stamps and play chess because they're not boring. They're fascinating. Attend any convention or tournament and you'll catch few yawns.

    It’s men who reject tedious work. At least mentally tedious.

    Plowing fields, sawing lumber and splitting firewood, and shoveling manure aren’t tedious?  I didn’t realize that women ran the traditional farm economy and men sat on the porches their womenfolk built and played chess and philosophized all day. </sarc>

    OTOH, faced with an opportunity to create something to automate a tedious task, men will do it far more often.  If you look at the authors of personal shell scripts and such to automate the humdrum and repetitive, I’ll bet 95% of them are men.

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    Plowing fields, sawing lumber and splitting firewood, and shoveling manure aren’t tedious
     
    They sure are! That's why the men ran off to the city and the Industrial Revolution as soon as they were able.
    , @Twinkie

    splitting firewood
     
    What? You've never played "How many different ways can I split firewood with an ax?" game when told by your father to do the chore? Experimenting with different angles, different strokes, different points of impact, etc.?
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  31. Jack D says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Sure, men are far more likely to... do everything of note that requires long and tedious work...
     
    This is backwards. It's men who reject tedious work. At least mentally tedious. That's why women can knit and sew.

    A former friend who worked in proofreading for a major publisher nailed it when she said, point blank, "Men don't do boring."

    That's why I'm here.

    Men collect stamps and play chess because they're not boring. They're fascinating. Attend any convention or tournament and you'll catch few yawns.

    This has been known for well over a century. When the 1st telephone exchanges were set up in the 19th century, they initially hired teenage boys to operate the switchboards (“telephone operators” – anyone over a certain age knows what this means – most kids today have never even spoken to one) and it went very poorly. The boys were bored and they got restless. They would play pranks on each other and on the customers, they would use profanity, etc. Then they tried women and it went great – the women loved doing this job.

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    Word Origin and History for eavesdropper
    n.
    mid-15c., from Middle English eavesdrop, from Old English yfesdrype "place around a house where the rainwater drips off the roof," from eave (q.v.) + drip (v.). Technically, "one who stands at walls or windows to overhear what's going on inside."
    , @Anon
    I’ve read that teen age boys loved Telegraph, ship to shore radio jobs and ham radio as a hobby. The on shore teen radio boys preformed extremely well in the Titanic and other ship wrecks.

    I can’t see much difference between sitting at a switchboard and sitting at telegraph equipment all day. Maybe it was the difference between an active 13 year old and an adult

    Plenty of men work in sewing factories and always have. I’ve hired a lot of upholsterers for furniture all my life. For some reason it seems to be a male profession Before sewing machines soldiers spent the winters hand sewing their uniforms together from pre cut pieces of cloth.
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  32. Jack D says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Sure, men are far more likely to... do everything of note that requires long and tedious work...
     
    This is backwards. It's men who reject tedious work. At least mentally tedious. That's why women can knit and sew.

    A former friend who worked in proofreading for a major publisher nailed it when she said, point blank, "Men don't do boring."

    That's why I'm here.

    Men collect stamps and play chess because they're not boring. They're fascinating. Attend any convention or tournament and you'll catch few yawns.

    Collecting things like stamps and coins appeals to men’s hoarding instinct and to their love of categorization. Most women find them utterly boring because the objects lack any social connections. Of course it is possible to create social connections at conventions and so on, but the objects themselves are cold and inanimate and women view categorizing them as a waste of time.

    My son had an online coin business for a while and 99% of his customers were male. On the rare occasions when the customer appeared to be female it was usually just a male using his wife’s account.

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    Yeah, all the jewelers and gemologists I've seen were men, despite the fact that they were creating their products for women. I wonder if all the perfume and textile chemists are men too.

    Another profession that I've only seen men do: piano tuners.
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  33. Truth says:
    @J.Ross
    On topic: France has just eliminated age of consent. It had already happened before this that two pedophiles walked when prosecutors could not positively prove nonconsent. Possible motive: Muslims, arrested left and right for sexual emergencies, will feel more at home. Now we know who Macron really is.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-sex-age-consent-minimum-national-assembly-vote-15-rape-a8355516.html
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/yournewswire.com/french-law-children-consent-sex/amp/

    The draft bill against sexual and gender-based violence, known as the Schiappa law, was signed into law by the French Parliament on 3 August, sparking outrage in France as parents and children’s rights groups accuse Emmanuel Macron’s government of betraying the nation’s children.
    The lack of an age of consent places millions of children in serious danger of sexual abuse in France, according to child protection officials.
    Childrens’ rights groups criticised Emmanuel Macron’s government for failing to provide a legal age of consent to protect children, pointing to the recent decision by French courts to refuse to prosecute two pedophiles for the rape of 11-year-old girls because authorities couldn’t prove the children did not consent.
     

    #you’renext

    And it happened while The Donna was purposefully making an ass of himself, and the Unzistas were rationalizing it.

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    • Replies: @fish
    Ahh Troofy......still missing being dominated by a Menopausal white woman I see!

    Try the ads in the back of any of the progressive throwaway papers available in any reasonably sized metropolitan area! You know ......the ones with the weed stores and gay dating chat lines!

    There you will find that which you seek.
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  34. Anon[168] • Disclaimer says:

    “This is backwards. It’s men who reject tedious work. At least mentally tedious. That’s why women can knit and sew.”

    That’s not correct. Men reject repetitious work, not tedious work. Otherwise, computer programing wouldn’t be a thing.

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  35. Anon[168] • Disclaimer says:

    “Men collect stamps and play chess because they’re not boring. They’re fascinating.”

    I think you missed the point. Both – well, at least Chess – require long hours of tedious training, mental dexterity of some sort, and are pretty solitary. That’s not necessarily the same thing a repetitious work like sewing or kiting, which men absolutely could do, just not as well – we’d get by.

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  36. Anon[168] • Disclaimer says:

    “This has been known for well over a century.”

    Both of you missed – or just ignored – the point of that comment so you could make your own. The point was that men do tedious, mentally laborious things that they find interesting without compensation in their spare time – things that women don’t tend to do. That’s not the same thing as getting paid for electronics manufacturing or being a telephone operator. The same logic behind lopsided male ratios in stamp collecting likely applies to lopsided male ratios in Wikipedia editing.

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    One man’s boring tedious mentally laborious thing is another man’s exciting hobby

    Just my opinion that collecting is hunting which is exciting and fulfilling.
    It’s akso conflict and beating the other collectors, buyers and sellers
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  37. @Jack D
    Collecting things like stamps and coins appeals to men's hoarding instinct and to their love of categorization. Most women find them utterly boring because the objects lack any social connections. Of course it is possible to create social connections at conventions and so on, but the objects themselves are cold and inanimate and women view categorizing them as a waste of time.

    My son had an online coin business for a while and 99% of his customers were male. On the rare occasions when the customer appeared to be female it was usually just a male using his wife's account.

    Yeah, all the jewelers and gemologists I’ve seen were men, despite the fact that they were creating their products for women. I wonder if all the perfume and textile chemists are men too.

    Another profession that I’ve only seen men do: piano tuners.

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  38. Whiskey says: • Website

    France age of consent laws are coming here. Same reason big shots and Muslims.

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  39. Barnard says:
    @Anonymous
    OT: WNBA team too jetlagged to play forfeits game

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/07/sports/wnba-las-vegas-aces-forfeit.html

    The players expected that the game would be rescheduled, they didn’t want it considered a forfeit.
    They still had four hours to get ready to play, here is an illuminating quote from one of the players.

    “No shoot around,” All-Star guard Kayla McBride tweeted. “No night of sleep. No beds. No food. Right now we will land in DC at 245pm that has us going straight to the gym bc of traffic and bags … and you want us to play? Oh ok.”

    Why didn’t they have any food, were all the restaurants in DFW closed?

    “Our entire organization has the utmost respect for the very difficult decision our players made, and we stand with them,” said Bill Laimbeer, the Aces’ president of basketball operations and coach.

    I wish it was possible to go back in time to 1988 and read this quote to Bill Laimbeer in the Pistons locker room.

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    The NBA rule--when teams flew scheduled flights, rather than charters now--was to take the first scheduled flight following the game to the next travel game location, in order to prevent (winter) weather delays from disrupting the schedule. This worked for close to 40 years without an issue, from the dawn of jetliner commercial service until teams switched to charters in the '90s.

    This rule regularly required teams to assemble for their bus transportation to the airport at 6 am or earlier, following a near-midnight bus return to their hotel after the previous night's game.

    I'd wager a large bet the WNBA does not enforce such a travel requirement.
    , @Up2Drew
    As a guy who played pro baseball (briefly), it’s a good thing these ladies aren’t subjected to minor-league conditions.

    An 11 PM game conclusion, followed by a shower, an eight hour bus ride to the next city, a greasy breakfast, four hours of sleep, and a 7PM start to the next game was pretty much a weekly occurrence.

    Off days: maybe one every three or four weeks.
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  40. Anonymous[544] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Electronics manufacturing would grind to a halt with an all male workforce, because electronic assembly is deadly boring. Females run the assembly side of the house in any electronic plant-I've worked in a dozen here in the US and visited dozens more here and ones in Japan and England. PCB stuffing, soldering, rework, automated test operation, and most routine SMT pick and place and wave soldering is all or mostly all female as is winding any transformer under, say 1 to 5 kVA.

    Technicians used to be all male but are roughly 75-25% male to female now and engineers are 80 to 95 percent male. Government contractor or GO-CO (nuclear establishment) plants tend to have more female engineers than other places.

    This will vary on location within the US as technicians in certain places tend to be ex-military, often retired and pulling a pension, predominantly Navy but occasionally AF, Army or Coast Guard. Others have vo tech grads or "Supertech" bachelor's level EET degrees from DeepFried and other such schools in predominance. Supertechs-EET grads-tend to move on to jobs where "any bachelor's degree" is required such as insurance adjusters, banking, et al, or to take "Sales Engineering" jobs for semiconductor or test equipment houses, because production test is frustrating after a while.

    bachelor’s level EET degrees from DeepFried and other such schools

    O.K., I’ll bite. What is DeepFried? (Hoping it’s not autocorrect.)

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    DeVry?
    , @Anonymous
    DeVry, which started as a correspondence school operator affiliated with Bell and Howell. Donzi Lancaster correctly described these correspondence courses as thinly disguised schemes to buy color TVs for veterans via the GI Bill.

    That was when a sizable color TV was a serious purchase.
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  41. Anon[544] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    On topic: France has just eliminated age of consent. It had already happened before this that two pedophiles walked when prosecutors could not positively prove nonconsent. Possible motive: Muslims, arrested left and right for sexual emergencies, will feel more at home. Now we know who Macron really is.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-sex-age-consent-minimum-national-assembly-vote-15-rape-a8355516.html
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/yournewswire.com/french-law-children-consent-sex/amp/

    The draft bill against sexual and gender-based violence, known as the Schiappa law, was signed into law by the French Parliament on 3 August, sparking outrage in France as parents and children’s rights groups accuse Emmanuel Macron’s government of betraying the nation’s children.
    The lack of an age of consent places millions of children in serious danger of sexual abuse in France, according to child protection officials.
    Childrens’ rights groups criticised Emmanuel Macron’s government for failing to provide a legal age of consent to protect children, pointing to the recent decision by French courts to refuse to prosecute two pedophiles for the rape of 11-year-old girls because authorities couldn’t prove the children did not consent.
     

    The article is really hard to understand, but it sounds like it might be that there has never been an age of consent in France. Further, it sounds like the law in fact does create 10 and 20 year prison sentences for sex with under 15, depending on consent. But yeah, it’s confusing.

    Meanwhile:

    The bill also introduces a new offence for “sexist abuse” in the public space which includes sexists behaviour, comments on a person’s physique and wolf-whistling with offenders facing a €90 (£79) fine.

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    I apologize for this article, I am seeing a lot of people claiming it is abysmally badly written. Apparently the protesters pictured were not protesting the law discussed, they were complaining about an all but out pedophile French minister (who proposed an entirely different thing that never went anywhere).
    There is a strong tendency of criminalizing the sexual behavior of white males while effectively legalizing the behavior of Muslims (de facto instruction: don't ask, just do it), but this article was very muddled.
    So: French do not have age of consent, and do have a creepy concept of child consent, but they do assume something like statutory rape if a child cannot have consented (ie, a baby). This legislation could have initiated an age of consent, but did not. Also a number of top European politicians have been tolerated out pedophiles and even written books mentioning their proclivities.
    , @Anon
    Unfortunately the no public harassment law won’t be applied to Africans Arabs and the rest of the vibrant harassers.

    Still, it’s a step.
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  42. @Twinkie
    My wife has a STEM doctorate. She is somewhat unusual in that she has excellent quantitative aptitude and relatively lower verbal ability (she's pretty terse, especially for a woman, and in college she aced through statistics, which many of her male peers failed). When I asked her once why more women weren't in STEM, she told me - straight up - "Because women aren't good at high level math and we are absolutely terrible in physics. That's why we go play with living things (i.e. biological sciences)."

    That’s why we go play with living things (i.e. men). There, fixed it.

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    That’s why we go play with living things (i.e. men).
     
    Nah, more like babies and kittens.
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  43. @Mr. Rational

    It’s men who reject tedious work. At least mentally tedious.
     
    Plowing fields, sawing lumber and splitting firewood, and shoveling manure aren't tedious?  I didn't realize that women ran the traditional farm economy and men sat on the porches their womenfolk built and played chess and philosophized all day. </sarc>

    OTOH, faced with an opportunity to create something to automate a tedious task, men will do it far more often.  If you look at the authors of personal shell scripts and such to automate the humdrum and repetitive, I'll bet 95% of them are men.

    Plowing fields, sawing lumber and splitting firewood, and shoveling manure aren’t tedious

    They sure are! That’s why the men ran off to the city and the Industrial Revolution as soon as they were able.

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    Although I'm not totally sure I agree with your thesis, its also true that the boring work was outsourced to animals almost as soon as possible too. I've been ploughing by hand recently. I wouldn't call it boring. I would call it painful.
    , @Mr. Rational
    I fear you've got cause and effect confused.  McCormick's reaper removed a lot of the labor from harvesting of cereal grains.  That labor had to find another way of gaining sustenance, and one of the ways was working in McCormick's factory building reapers to displace more labor.

    The early industrial revolution treated its laborers horribly, a fact which you should know.  Cities were dark, dirty and disease-ridden.  Labor only went there because the countryside offered less or even nothing to the landless without specialized skills (e.g. blacksmiths, farriers) required by the farmers.  Most people who went to the cities to work in industry did so because they had no realistic alternative at the time.  It's not like the countryside, with its farms getting ever-bigger and requiring less manpower as machinery multiplied effort, was calling them back.
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  44. @HallParvey
    Wonderful when a mistake is so truthful.

    Wonderful when a mistake is so truthful.

    Is that Freudian, or Kinsleyan?

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  45. @Anonymous
    Electronics manufacturing would grind to a halt with an all male workforce, because electronic assembly is deadly boring. Females run the assembly side of the house in any electronic plant-I've worked in a dozen here in the US and visited dozens more here and ones in Japan and England. PCB stuffing, soldering, rework, automated test operation, and most routine SMT pick and place and wave soldering is all or mostly all female as is winding any transformer under, say 1 to 5 kVA.

    Technicians used to be all male but are roughly 75-25% male to female now and engineers are 80 to 95 percent male. Government contractor or GO-CO (nuclear establishment) plants tend to have more female engineers than other places.

    This will vary on location within the US as technicians in certain places tend to be ex-military, often retired and pulling a pension, predominantly Navy but occasionally AF, Army or Coast Guard. Others have vo tech grads or "Supertech" bachelor's level EET degrees from DeepFried and other such schools in predominance. Supertechs-EET grads-tend to move on to jobs where "any bachelor's degree" is required such as insurance adjusters, banking, et al, or to take "Sales Engineering" jobs for semiconductor or test equipment houses, because production test is frustrating after a while.

    This will vary on location within the US as technicians in certain places tend to be ex-military, often retired and pulling a pension, predominantly Navy but occasionally AF, Army or Coast Guard…

    The Coast Guard could be quite choosy during draft era, and drew a lot of very smart guys who just didn’t belong in college (and thus deferred) for reasons other than intelligence. Jerry Ford saved my class from the draft, but during my years in the USCG, it was obvious I was far from the first oddball college dropout on the ship.

    (My dad, a recent electronics college graduate, enlisted in the CG 1939, just after war broke out in Europe. Whether that was from unemployment or foresight, I never thought to ask him until after he was gone.)

    The last draft refugees should be retiring from their post-service jobs about now.

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  46. J1234 says:

    My wife had a social acquaintance from years ago who was a PhD in physics, and he was employed by a non-profit as a director of diversity for post graduate physics. He certainly qualified as creepy. She knew him through a folk dance group. I remember him sitting behind a married woman at a gathering and rubbing her shoulders, though she didn’t ask him to. My wife found it creepy that he would do that, as well. I remember him more as being someone severely afflicted with Charles Dickens Syndrome, where the public proclamation of social justice and equality based values coincides with a profound personal arrogance and unwillingness to engage with people who are beneath you (though you may be willing to rub their shoulders.)

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  47. keuril says:
    @academic gossip
    Scott Alexander had an Onion-titled, but serious and completely devastating, destruction of a study claiming women are discouraged from academic fields with unreasonable "expectations of brilliance" (math, physics, philosophy, etc).

    PERCEPTIONS OF REQUIRED ABILITY ACT AS A PROXY FOR ACTUAL REQUIRED ABILITY IN EXPLAINING THE GENDER GAP
     
    http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/01/24/perceptions-of-required-ability-act-as-a-proxy-for-actual-required-ability-in-explaining-the-gender-gap/

    And that brought into relief part of why this study bothers me. It ignores the pre-existing literature on the importance of innate ability versus hard work. It ignores the rigorous mathematical techniques developed to separate innate ability from hard work. Not only that, but it ignores pre-existing literature on predicting gender balance in different fields, and the pre-existing literature on GRE results and what they mean and how to use them, and all the techniques developed by people in those areas.

    He says all this like it’s a bug instead of a feature.

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  48. Two female EE candidates at an aerospace actuator firm were heard saying: “These operational amplifiers must be really important because they keep on talking about them.”

    (Op-amps are a building block in analogue systems.)

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    Any EE program that graduates students who don't know what op amps are needs to lose its accreditation.  These things are just too basic not to teach.  Of course, that is second-year material, with calculus and physics and such being a big part of the first year.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    "analogue systems"? Are you British, Mr. Stalin? I had no idea.
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  49. @Anonymous

    bachelor’s level EET degrees from DeepFried and other such schools
     
    O.K., I'll bite. What is DeepFried? (Hoping it's not autocorrect.)

    DeVry?

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  50. Forbes says:
    @Barnard
    The players expected that the game would be rescheduled, they didn't want it considered a forfeit.
    They still had four hours to get ready to play, here is an illuminating quote from one of the players.

    “No shoot around,” All-Star guard Kayla McBride tweeted. “No night of sleep. No beds. No food. Right now we will land in DC at 245pm that has us going straight to the gym bc of traffic and bags … and you want us to play? Oh ok.”
     
    Why didn't they have any food, were all the restaurants in DFW closed?

    “Our entire organization has the utmost respect for the very difficult decision our players made, and we stand with them,” said Bill Laimbeer, the Aces’ president of basketball operations and coach.
     
    I wish it was possible to go back in time to 1988 and read this quote to Bill Laimbeer in the Pistons locker room.

    The NBA rule–when teams flew scheduled flights, rather than charters now–was to take the first scheduled flight following the game to the next travel game location, in order to prevent (winter) weather delays from disrupting the schedule. This worked for close to 40 years without an issue, from the dawn of jetliner commercial service until teams switched to charters in the ’90s.

    This rule regularly required teams to assemble for their bus transportation to the airport at 6 am or earlier, following a near-midnight bus return to their hotel after the previous night’s game.

    I’d wager a large bet the WNBA does not enforce such a travel requirement.

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  51. dr kill says:
    @Jack D
    This has been known for well over a century. When the 1st telephone exchanges were set up in the 19th century, they initially hired teenage boys to operate the switchboards ("telephone operators" - anyone over a certain age knows what this means - most kids today have never even spoken to one) and it went very poorly. The boys were bored and they got restless. They would play pranks on each other and on the customers, they would use profanity, etc. Then they tried women and it went great - the women loved doing this job.

    Word Origin and History for eavesdropper
    n.
    mid-15c., from Middle English eavesdrop, from Old English yfesdrype “place around a house where the rainwater drips off the roof,” from eave (q.v.) + drip (v.). Technically, “one who stands at walls or windows to overhear what’s going on inside.”

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  52. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anon
    The article is really hard to understand, but it sounds like it might be that there has never been an age of consent in France. Further, it sounds like the law in fact does create 10 and 20 year prison sentences for sex with under 15, depending on consent. But yeah, it's confusing.

    Meanwhile:

    The bill also introduces a new offence for "sexist abuse" in the public space which includes sexists behaviour, comments on a person's physique and wolf-whistling with offenders facing a €90 (£79) fine.
     

    I apologize for this article, I am seeing a lot of people claiming it is abysmally badly written. Apparently the protesters pictured were not protesting the law discussed, they were complaining about an all but out pedophile French minister (who proposed an entirely different thing that never went anywhere).
    There is a strong tendency of criminalizing the sexual behavior of white males while effectively legalizing the behavior of Muslims (de facto instruction: don’t ask, just do it), but this article was very muddled.
    So: French do not have age of consent, and do have a creepy concept of child consent, but they do assume something like statutory rape if a child cannot have consented (ie, a baby). This legislation could have initiated an age of consent, but did not. Also a number of top European politicians have been tolerated out pedophiles and even written books mentioning their proclivities.

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    Is there any evidence that pedophilia is more common among left of center than among right of center politicians, like the Gorilla Mindset guy assumes?
    , @HallParvey
    Three brothers, walking down a street in Paris passed by an open window and, looking inside, saw a man and woman engaged in adult activities.
    "Look, Pierre," said the youngest, "that man and lady are fighting."
    "No Andre, said his older brother, who was eight. They are making love."
    Their twelve year old brother, more mature, grimaced and said, "Oui. Badly"
    , @James N. Kennett

    a number of top European politicians have been tolerated out pedophiles and even written books mentioning their proclivities.
     
    Who are they?
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  53. @Reg Cæsar

    Plowing fields, sawing lumber and splitting firewood, and shoveling manure aren’t tedious
     
    They sure are! That's why the men ran off to the city and the Industrial Revolution as soon as they were able.

    Although I’m not totally sure I agree with your thesis, its also true that the boring work was outsourced to animals almost as soon as possible too. I’ve been ploughing by hand recently. I wouldn’t call it boring. I would call it painful.

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  54. There are worse things to be creeped into than STEM, or STEAM as the more humanities-oriented prefer.

    Yahoo.com is pushing this story:

    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/converted-islam-no-wasnt-marriage-110026657.html

    She’s not exactly a “hottie”, so maybe Steve’s theory about feminists applies at the other end of the spectrum as well.

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  55. Anon[423] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    This has been known for well over a century. When the 1st telephone exchanges were set up in the 19th century, they initially hired teenage boys to operate the switchboards ("telephone operators" - anyone over a certain age knows what this means - most kids today have never even spoken to one) and it went very poorly. The boys were bored and they got restless. They would play pranks on each other and on the customers, they would use profanity, etc. Then they tried women and it went great - the women loved doing this job.

    I’ve read that teen age boys loved Telegraph, ship to shore radio jobs and ham radio as a hobby. The on shore teen radio boys preformed extremely well in the Titanic and other ship wrecks.

    I can’t see much difference between sitting at a switchboard and sitting at telegraph equipment all day. Maybe it was the difference between an active 13 year old and an adult

    Plenty of men work in sewing factories and always have. I’ve hired a lot of upholsterers for furniture all my life. For some reason it seems to be a male profession Before sewing machines soldiers spent the winters hand sewing their uniforms together from pre cut pieces of cloth.

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  56. @Reg Cæsar

    Plowing fields, sawing lumber and splitting firewood, and shoveling manure aren’t tedious
     
    They sure are! That's why the men ran off to the city and the Industrial Revolution as soon as they were able.

    I fear you’ve got cause and effect confused.  McCormick’s reaper removed a lot of the labor from harvesting of cereal grains.  That labor had to find another way of gaining sustenance, and one of the ways was working in McCormick’s factory building reapers to displace more labor.

    The early industrial revolution treated its laborers horribly, a fact which you should know.  Cities were dark, dirty and disease-ridden.  Labor only went there because the countryside offered less or even nothing to the landless without specialized skills (e.g. blacksmiths, farriers) required by the farmers.  Most people who went to the cities to work in industry did so because they had no realistic alternative at the time.  It’s not like the countryside, with its farms getting ever-bigger and requiring less manpower as machinery multiplied effort, was calling them back.

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  57. Anon[423] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    "This has been known for well over a century."

    Both of you missed - or just ignored - the point of that comment so you could make your own. The point was that men do tedious, mentally laborious things that they find interesting without compensation in their spare time - things that women don't tend to do. That's not the same thing as getting paid for electronics manufacturing or being a telephone operator. The same logic behind lopsided male ratios in stamp collecting likely applies to lopsided male ratios in Wikipedia editing.

    One man’s boring tedious mentally laborious thing is another man’s exciting hobby

    Just my opinion that collecting is hunting which is exciting and fulfilling.
    It’s akso conflict and beating the other collectors, buyers and sellers

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  58. fish says:
    @Truth
    #you'renext

    And it happened while The Donna was purposefully making an ass of himself, and the Unzistas were rationalizing it.

    Ahh Troofy……still missing being dominated by a Menopausal white woman I see!

    Try the ads in the back of any of the progressive throwaway papers available in any reasonably sized metropolitan area! You know ……the ones with the weed stores and gay dating chat lines!

    There you will find that which you seek.

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    fish, I love your comments. They always get at least a smile, but often I spew my beer!
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  59. @Joe Stalin
    Two female EE candidates at an aerospace actuator firm were heard saying: "These operational amplifiers must be really important because they keep on talking about them."

    (Op-amps are a building block in analogue systems.)

    Any EE program that graduates students who don’t know what op amps are needs to lose its accreditation.  These things are just too basic not to teach.  Of course, that is second-year material, with calculus and physics and such being a big part of the first year.

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    I can't imagine an EE program admitting anyone who didn't know what op-amps were.

    But they do.
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  60. Anon[423] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    The article is really hard to understand, but it sounds like it might be that there has never been an age of consent in France. Further, it sounds like the law in fact does create 10 and 20 year prison sentences for sex with under 15, depending on consent. But yeah, it's confusing.

    Meanwhile:

    The bill also introduces a new offence for "sexist abuse" in the public space which includes sexists behaviour, comments on a person's physique and wolf-whistling with offenders facing a €90 (£79) fine.
     

    Unfortunately the no public harassment law won’t be applied to Africans Arabs and the rest of the vibrant harassers.

    Still, it’s a step.

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  61. @J.Ross
    I apologize for this article, I am seeing a lot of people claiming it is abysmally badly written. Apparently the protesters pictured were not protesting the law discussed, they were complaining about an all but out pedophile French minister (who proposed an entirely different thing that never went anywhere).
    There is a strong tendency of criminalizing the sexual behavior of white males while effectively legalizing the behavior of Muslims (de facto instruction: don't ask, just do it), but this article was very muddled.
    So: French do not have age of consent, and do have a creepy concept of child consent, but they do assume something like statutory rape if a child cannot have consented (ie, a baby). This legislation could have initiated an age of consent, but did not. Also a number of top European politicians have been tolerated out pedophiles and even written books mentioning their proclivities.

    Is there any evidence that pedophilia is more common among left of center than among right of center politicians, like the Gorilla Mindset guy assumes?

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  62. @J.Ross
    I apologize for this article, I am seeing a lot of people claiming it is abysmally badly written. Apparently the protesters pictured were not protesting the law discussed, they were complaining about an all but out pedophile French minister (who proposed an entirely different thing that never went anywhere).
    There is a strong tendency of criminalizing the sexual behavior of white males while effectively legalizing the behavior of Muslims (de facto instruction: don't ask, just do it), but this article was very muddled.
    So: French do not have age of consent, and do have a creepy concept of child consent, but they do assume something like statutory rape if a child cannot have consented (ie, a baby). This legislation could have initiated an age of consent, but did not. Also a number of top European politicians have been tolerated out pedophiles and even written books mentioning their proclivities.

    Three brothers, walking down a street in Paris passed by an open window and, looking inside, saw a man and woman engaged in adult activities.
    “Look, Pierre,” said the youngest, “that man and lady are fighting.”
    “No Andre, said his older brother, who was eight. They are making love.”
    Their twelve year old brother, more mature, grimaced and said, “Oui. Badly”

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  63. @Joe Stalin
    Two female EE candidates at an aerospace actuator firm were heard saying: "These operational amplifiers must be really important because they keep on talking about them."

    (Op-amps are a building block in analogue systems.)

    “analogue systems”? Are you British, Mr. Stalin? I had no idea.

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    Me British? Heaven forbid. The spelling must have been the result of "Last In First Out" brain processing. Will try to be a better American.
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  64. Anonymous[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    bachelor’s level EET degrees from DeepFried and other such schools
     
    O.K., I'll bite. What is DeepFried? (Hoping it's not autocorrect.)

    DeVry, which started as a correspondence school operator affiliated with Bell and Howell. Donzi Lancaster correctly described these correspondence courses as thinly disguised schemes to buy color TVs for veterans via the GI Bill.

    That was when a sizable color TV was a serious purchase.

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    For those wondering what color TV has to do with this, when you signed up for the DeVry electronics technician course they gave you a kit containing the parts to build a (Bell & Howell) TV. By the time you finished the course, your TV was also supposed to be finished.
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  65. Up2Drew says:
    @Barnard
    The players expected that the game would be rescheduled, they didn't want it considered a forfeit.
    They still had four hours to get ready to play, here is an illuminating quote from one of the players.

    “No shoot around,” All-Star guard Kayla McBride tweeted. “No night of sleep. No beds. No food. Right now we will land in DC at 245pm that has us going straight to the gym bc of traffic and bags … and you want us to play? Oh ok.”
     
    Why didn't they have any food, were all the restaurants in DFW closed?

    “Our entire organization has the utmost respect for the very difficult decision our players made, and we stand with them,” said Bill Laimbeer, the Aces’ president of basketball operations and coach.
     
    I wish it was possible to go back in time to 1988 and read this quote to Bill Laimbeer in the Pistons locker room.

    As a guy who played pro baseball (briefly), it’s a good thing these ladies aren’t subjected to minor-league conditions.

    An 11 PM game conclusion, followed by a shower, an eight hour bus ride to the next city, a greasy breakfast, four hours of sleep, and a 7PM start to the next game was pretty much a weekly occurrence.

    Off days: maybe one every three or four weeks.

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    Minor league baseball is a pretty awful experience due to the long bus rides, especially if you can't sleep on a bus. College baseball is a more civilized way to spend age 18 to, say, 20.

    I'd be interested in learning of a sabermetric study of the minors versus college decision confronting star high school baseball players. My guess would be that for superstar talent like Mike Trout it makes sense to go straight to the minors so you are available to play in the majors right around your 20th birthday.

    But for most high school kids with talent that projects as an outside shot at the Bigs, a few years of top college ball sounds better. Maybe it delays your arrival in the big leagues by a year or so, but if you never become a high salaried MLB player and need a job, you are more likely to be able to get an MBA, say, if you are at least close to your BA degree than if you never started. My cousin who made it to AA ball before arm troubles ended his career as a closer used his BA to get into Northwestern's MBA program in his mid-20s, which launched him into a pleasant career in corporate management.

    Prodigy Bryce Harper found a clever path: he took a test to get his high school degree after his sophomore year in high school and then played junior college baseball for two years for the tougher competition and the wooden bats (high schools use more durable metal or fiber bats, which isn't ideal training for somebody focused on mastering the wooden bats of the MLB). But I can't make all that much sense out of Harper's odd career ...

    , @Steve Sailer
    Minor league baseball is a pretty awful experience due to the long bus rides, especially if you can't sleep on a bus. College baseball is a more civilized way to spend age 18 to, say, 20.

    I'd be interested in learning of a sabermetric study of the minors versus college decision confronting star high school baseball players. My guess would be that for superstar talent like Mike Trout it makes sense to go straight to the minors so you are available to play in the majors right around your 20th birthday.

    But for most high school kids with talent that projects as an outside shot at the Bigs, a few years of top college ball sounds better. Maybe it delays your arrival in the big leagues by a year or so, but if you never become a high salaried MLB player and need a job, you are more likely to be able to get an MBA, say, if you are at least close to your BA degree than if you never started. My cousin who made it to AA ball before arm troubles ended his career as a closer used his BA to get into Northwestern's MBA program in his mid-20s, which launched him into a pleasant career in corporate management.

    Prodigy Bryce Harper found a clever path: he took a test to get his high school degree after his sophomore year in high school and then played junior college baseball for two years for the tougher competition and the wooden bats (high schools use more durable metal or fiber bats, which isn't ideal training for somebody focused on mastering the wooden bats of the MLB). But I can't make all that much sense out of Harper's odd career ...

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  66. 45 years of campaigning (since I was studying engineering) has increased the proportion of women members in the IET (used to be IEE – UK equivalent of IEEE) from about 5% to 9.8%. Maybe women are not very interested. Danish analysis suggests so.

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  67. @Up2Drew
    As a guy who played pro baseball (briefly), it’s a good thing these ladies aren’t subjected to minor-league conditions.

    An 11 PM game conclusion, followed by a shower, an eight hour bus ride to the next city, a greasy breakfast, four hours of sleep, and a 7PM start to the next game was pretty much a weekly occurrence.

    Off days: maybe one every three or four weeks.

    Minor league baseball is a pretty awful experience due to the long bus rides, especially if you can’t sleep on a bus. College baseball is a more civilized way to spend age 18 to, say, 20.

    I’d be interested in learning of a sabermetric study of the minors versus college decision confronting star high school baseball players. My guess would be that for superstar talent like Mike Trout it makes sense to go straight to the minors so you are available to play in the majors right around your 20th birthday.

    But for most high school kids with talent that projects as an outside shot at the Bigs, a few years of top college ball sounds better. Maybe it delays your arrival in the big leagues by a year or so, but if you never become a high salaried MLB player and need a job, you are more likely to be able to get an MBA, say, if you are at least close to your BA degree than if you never started. My cousin who made it to AA ball before arm troubles ended his career as a closer used his BA to get into Northwestern’s MBA program in his mid-20s, which launched him into a pleasant career in corporate management.

    Prodigy Bryce Harper found a clever path: he took a test to get his high school degree after his sophomore year in high school and then played junior college baseball for two years for the tougher competition and the wooden bats (high schools use more durable metal or fiber bats, which isn’t ideal training for somebody focused on mastering the wooden bats of the MLB). But I can’t make all that much sense out of Harper’s odd career …

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  68. @Up2Drew
    As a guy who played pro baseball (briefly), it’s a good thing these ladies aren’t subjected to minor-league conditions.

    An 11 PM game conclusion, followed by a shower, an eight hour bus ride to the next city, a greasy breakfast, four hours of sleep, and a 7PM start to the next game was pretty much a weekly occurrence.

    Off days: maybe one every three or four weeks.

    Minor league baseball is a pretty awful experience due to the long bus rides, especially if you can’t sleep on a bus. College baseball is a more civilized way to spend age 18 to, say, 20.

    I’d be interested in learning of a sabermetric study of the minors versus college decision confronting star high school baseball players. My guess would be that for superstar talent like Mike Trout it makes sense to go straight to the minors so you are available to play in the majors right around your 20th birthday.

    But for most high school kids with talent that projects as an outside shot at the Bigs, a few years of top college ball sounds better. Maybe it delays your arrival in the big leagues by a year or so, but if you never become a high salaried MLB player and need a job, you are more likely to be able to get an MBA, say, if you are at least close to your BA degree than if you never started. My cousin who made it to AA ball before arm troubles ended his career as a closer used his BA to get into Northwestern’s MBA program in his mid-20s, which launched him into a pleasant career in corporate management.

    Prodigy Bryce Harper found a clever path: he took a test to get his high school degree after his sophomore year in high school and then played junior college baseball for two years for the tougher competition and the wooden bats (high schools use more durable metal or fiber bats, which isn’t ideal training for somebody focused on mastering the wooden bats of the MLB). But I can’t make all that much sense out of Harper’s odd career …

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  69. @Achmed E. Newman
    "analogue systems"? Are you British, Mr. Stalin? I had no idea.

    Me British? Heaven forbid. The spelling must have been the result of “Last In First Out” brain processing. Will try to be a better American.

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    Good to hear that. ;-}

    I didn't think so before, but that kinda freaked me out. I guess you coulda' been Canadian too. They make a lot of those same spelling mistakes as the Brits.
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  70. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous
    DeVry, which started as a correspondence school operator affiliated with Bell and Howell. Donzi Lancaster correctly described these correspondence courses as thinly disguised schemes to buy color TVs for veterans via the GI Bill.

    That was when a sizable color TV was a serious purchase.

    For those wondering what color TV has to do with this, when you signed up for the DeVry electronics technician course they gave you a kit containing the parts to build a (Bell & Howell) TV. By the time you finished the course, your TV was also supposed to be finished.

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    I grew up reading electronics and pop sci/mechanics type magazines and correspondence courses were widely advertised in those from before, long before I was born to about 1990 or so. They would run double full page ads.

    Major players in the sixties, seventies and eighties were CIE-the Cleveland Institute of Electronics, NRI-National Radio Institute, and DeVry. Many courses were offered centering around electrical and electronic repair, and computers, along with air conditioning/refrigeration, and similar things. RCA and Sylvania also dabbled in the business. Computers came in in the late 70s and early 80s.

    The TV courses were most popular because you got a TV as part of the course, but depending on the course you also got a voltmeter, a signal generator, and an oscilloscope. There were courses on radio that got you a transmitter and receiver for the ham bands, and so forth.

    An enormous trove of these old magazines is available at
    https://www.americanradiohistory.com/

    You also may want to check out
    http://www.tubebooks.org/
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  71. @J.Ross
    On topic: France has just eliminated age of consent. It had already happened before this that two pedophiles walked when prosecutors could not positively prove nonconsent. Possible motive: Muslims, arrested left and right for sexual emergencies, will feel more at home. Now we know who Macron really is.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-sex-age-consent-minimum-national-assembly-vote-15-rape-a8355516.html
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/yournewswire.com/french-law-children-consent-sex/amp/

    The draft bill against sexual and gender-based violence, known as the Schiappa law, was signed into law by the French Parliament on 3 August, sparking outrage in France as parents and children’s rights groups accuse Emmanuel Macron’s government of betraying the nation’s children.
    The lack of an age of consent places millions of children in serious danger of sexual abuse in France, according to child protection officials.
    Childrens’ rights groups criticised Emmanuel Macron’s government for failing to provide a legal age of consent to protect children, pointing to the recent decision by French courts to refuse to prosecute two pedophiles for the rape of 11-year-old girls because authorities couldn’t prove the children did not consent.
     

    God damn those French bastards.

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  72. @Twinkie
    My wife has a STEM doctorate. She is somewhat unusual in that she has excellent quantitative aptitude and relatively lower verbal ability (she's pretty terse, especially for a woman, and in college she aced through statistics, which many of her male peers failed). When I asked her once why more women weren't in STEM, she told me - straight up - "Because women aren't good at high level math and we are absolutely terrible in physics. That's why we go play with living things (i.e. biological sciences)."

    Your wife confirms my anecdotal evidence. It is true.

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  73. @fish
    Ahh Troofy......still missing being dominated by a Menopausal white woman I see!

    Try the ads in the back of any of the progressive throwaway papers available in any reasonably sized metropolitan area! You know ......the ones with the weed stores and gay dating chat lines!

    There you will find that which you seek.

    fish, I love your comments. They always get at least a smile, but often I spew my beer!

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  74. Twinkie says:
    @forgottenpseudonym
    That's why we go play with living things (i.e. men). There, fixed it.

    That’s why we go play with living things (i.e. men).

    Nah, more like babies and kittens.

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  75. Twinkie says:
    @res
    Could you ask her about how she would assess the relative importance of quantitative ability differences, preference differences (e.g. people vs. things), and opportunity cost differences (women who are both quantitatively and verbally adept may have better options than STEM, contrast with high M/low V men) on the male/female balance in STEM?

    I am also interested in your opinion on that.

    how she would assess the relative importance of quantitative ability differences, preference differences (e.g. people vs. things)

    I asked. She and I are of the same mind on this: we think that people gravitate to things at which they are good. In other words, both preference and ability are aligned toward things among men and people among women.

    opportunity cost differences (women who are both quantitatively and verbally adept may have better options than STEM, contrast with high M/low V men) on the male/female balance in STEM

    No clue. Neither of us knows women with very high M and very high V.

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    Thanks for asking and responding.

    Neither of us knows women with very high M and very high V.
     
    We might be thinking differently regarding high/very high. Picking numbers out of the air, I'm thinking about men and women who can score say 650-750 on the SAT Math (I would argue a reasonable range for good if not great STEM work, but perhaps not "very high"). Given group tendencies I think the women in that group are more likely to be higher V than the men. Put another way, I am guessing there are not many women around the 700sM/500sV level of many men who gravitate towards engineering.
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  76. Twinkie says:
    @Mr. Rational

    It’s men who reject tedious work. At least mentally tedious.
     
    Plowing fields, sawing lumber and splitting firewood, and shoveling manure aren't tedious?  I didn't realize that women ran the traditional farm economy and men sat on the porches their womenfolk built and played chess and philosophized all day. </sarc>

    OTOH, faced with an opportunity to create something to automate a tedious task, men will do it far more often.  If you look at the authors of personal shell scripts and such to automate the humdrum and repetitive, I'll bet 95% of them are men.

    splitting firewood

    What? You’ve never played “How many different ways can I split firewood with an ax?” game when told by your father to do the chore? Experimenting with different angles, different strokes, different points of impact, etc.?

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    You’ve never played “How many different ways can I split firewood with an ax?” game when told by your father to do the chore?
     
    You're talking to a guy who has three operable chain saws, 3 mauls, 5 lb and 12 lb sledgehammers, a bunch of wedges, an assortment of axes that never get used, a small hydraulic splitter and at least 10 face cords of firewood that he's personally split in the last 12 months (not including what he burned last winter).

    I enjoy the activity as exercise with a point to it (no pun intended), but it is still tedious and repetitive.

    Which reminds me, I need to go find a source for carbide-tooth chains.  I need something that won't dull instantly when it hits a nail.
    , @anonymous
    "Junior, I'll need a cord of that oak."

    Little did I know the love that went in to Dad's request. I got a workout and time to reflect, and the family got firewood.
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  77. Twinkie says:
    @J.Ross
    On topic: France has just eliminated age of consent. It had already happened before this that two pedophiles walked when prosecutors could not positively prove nonconsent. Possible motive: Muslims, arrested left and right for sexual emergencies, will feel more at home. Now we know who Macron really is.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-sex-age-consent-minimum-national-assembly-vote-15-rape-a8355516.html
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/yournewswire.com/french-law-children-consent-sex/amp/

    The draft bill against sexual and gender-based violence, known as the Schiappa law, was signed into law by the French Parliament on 3 August, sparking outrage in France as parents and children’s rights groups accuse Emmanuel Macron’s government of betraying the nation’s children.
    The lack of an age of consent places millions of children in serious danger of sexual abuse in France, according to child protection officials.
    Childrens’ rights groups criticised Emmanuel Macron’s government for failing to provide a legal age of consent to protect children, pointing to the recent decision by French courts to refuse to prosecute two pedophiles for the rape of 11-year-old girls because authorities couldn’t prove the children did not consent.
     
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    If you use Snopes I must respect you less. I have already discussed the accuracy of the article.
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  78. Anonymous[357] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    For those wondering what color TV has to do with this, when you signed up for the DeVry electronics technician course they gave you a kit containing the parts to build a (Bell & Howell) TV. By the time you finished the course, your TV was also supposed to be finished.

    I grew up reading electronics and pop sci/mechanics type magazines and correspondence courses were widely advertised in those from before, long before I was born to about 1990 or so. They would run double full page ads.

    Major players in the sixties, seventies and eighties were CIE-the Cleveland Institute of Electronics, NRI-National Radio Institute, and DeVry. Many courses were offered centering around electrical and electronic repair, and computers, along with air conditioning/refrigeration, and similar things. RCA and Sylvania also dabbled in the business. Computers came in in the late 70s and early 80s.

    The TV courses were most popular because you got a TV as part of the course, but depending on the course you also got a voltmeter, a signal generator, and an oscilloscope. There were courses on radio that got you a transmitter and receiver for the ham bands, and so forth.

    An enormous trove of these old magazines is available at

    https://www.americanradiohistory.com/

    You also may want to check out

    http://www.tubebooks.org/

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  79. Anonymous[357] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Rational
    Any EE program that graduates students who don't know what op amps are needs to lose its accreditation.  These things are just too basic not to teach.  Of course, that is second-year material, with calculus and physics and such being a big part of the first year.

    I can’t imagine an EE program admitting anyone who didn’t know what op-amps were.

    But they do.

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  80. @Joe Stalin
    Me British? Heaven forbid. The spelling must have been the result of "Last In First Out" brain processing. Will try to be a better American.

    Good to hear that. ;-}

    I didn’t think so before, but that kinda freaked me out. I guess you coulda’ been Canadian too. They make a lot of those same spelling mistakes as the Brits.

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  81. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Twinkie
    Snopes says not true: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/france-law-children-consent-sex/

    If you use Snopes I must respect you less. I have already discussed the accuracy of the article.

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  82. @Twinkie

    splitting firewood
     
    What? You've never played "How many different ways can I split firewood with an ax?" game when told by your father to do the chore? Experimenting with different angles, different strokes, different points of impact, etc.?

    You’ve never played “How many different ways can I split firewood with an ax?” game when told by your father to do the chore?

    You’re talking to a guy who has three operable chain saws, 3 mauls, 5 lb and 12 lb sledgehammers, a bunch of wedges, an assortment of axes that never get used, a small hydraulic splitter and at least 10 face cords of firewood that he’s personally split in the last 12 months (not including what he burned last winter).

    I enjoy the activity as exercise with a point to it (no pun intended), but it is still tedious and repetitive.

    Which reminds me, I need to go find a source for carbide-tooth chains.  I need something that won’t dull instantly when it hits a nail.

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    I was being sarcastic.
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  83. anonymous[324] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    splitting firewood
     
    What? You've never played "How many different ways can I split firewood with an ax?" game when told by your father to do the chore? Experimenting with different angles, different strokes, different points of impact, etc.?

    “Junior, I’ll need a cord of that oak.”

    Little did I know the love that went in to Dad’s request. I got a workout and time to reflect, and the family got firewood.

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  84. Twinkie says:
    @Mr. Rational

    You’ve never played “How many different ways can I split firewood with an ax?” game when told by your father to do the chore?
     
    You're talking to a guy who has three operable chain saws, 3 mauls, 5 lb and 12 lb sledgehammers, a bunch of wedges, an assortment of axes that never get used, a small hydraulic splitter and at least 10 face cords of firewood that he's personally split in the last 12 months (not including what he burned last winter).

    I enjoy the activity as exercise with a point to it (no pun intended), but it is still tedious and repetitive.

    Which reminds me, I need to go find a source for carbide-tooth chains.  I need something that won't dull instantly when it hits a nail.

    I was being sarcastic.

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    You forgot to close your sarc tag.  Here:  </sarc>
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  85. @Twinkie
    I was being sarcastic.

    You forgot to close your sarc tag.  Here:  </sarc>

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  86. res says:
    @Twinkie

    how she would assess the relative importance of quantitative ability differences, preference differences (e.g. people vs. things)
     
    I asked. She and I are of the same mind on this: we think that people gravitate to things at which they are good. In other words, both preference and ability are aligned toward things among men and people among women.

    opportunity cost differences (women who are both quantitatively and verbally adept may have better options than STEM, contrast with high M/low V men) on the male/female balance in STEM
     
    No clue. Neither of us knows women with very high M and very high V.

    Thanks for asking and responding.

    Neither of us knows women with very high M and very high V.

    We might be thinking differently regarding high/very high. Picking numbers out of the air, I’m thinking about men and women who can score say 650-750 on the SAT Math (I would argue a reasonable range for good if not great STEM work, but perhaps not “very high”). Given group tendencies I think the women in that group are more likely to be higher V than the men. Put another way, I am guessing there are not many women around the 700sM/500sV level of many men who gravitate towards engineering.

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    I was 99 percentile in both math and verbal, my wife was 95 and 90, respectively. We don’t know any woman who was 99 and 99 (though I’m sure there are some). We do know women who were around 95 and 90 or 90 and 95 (or close enough). Obviously more of the latter than the former. Quite a few are physicians or MD-PhD’s, but that’s selection bias since my wife and I are on the board of a large medical system.
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  87. Twinkie says:
    @res
    Thanks for asking and responding.

    Neither of us knows women with very high M and very high V.
     
    We might be thinking differently regarding high/very high. Picking numbers out of the air, I'm thinking about men and women who can score say 650-750 on the SAT Math (I would argue a reasonable range for good if not great STEM work, but perhaps not "very high"). Given group tendencies I think the women in that group are more likely to be higher V than the men. Put another way, I am guessing there are not many women around the 700sM/500sV level of many men who gravitate towards engineering.

    I was 99 percentile in both math and verbal, my wife was 95 and 90, respectively. We don’t know any woman who was 99 and 99 (though I’m sure there are some). We do know women who were around 95 and 90 or 90 and 95 (or close enough). Obviously more of the latter than the former. Quite a few are physicians or MD-PhD’s, but that’s selection bias since my wife and I are on the board of a large medical system.

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  88. @J.Ross
    I apologize for this article, I am seeing a lot of people claiming it is abysmally badly written. Apparently the protesters pictured were not protesting the law discussed, they were complaining about an all but out pedophile French minister (who proposed an entirely different thing that never went anywhere).
    There is a strong tendency of criminalizing the sexual behavior of white males while effectively legalizing the behavior of Muslims (de facto instruction: don't ask, just do it), but this article was very muddled.
    So: French do not have age of consent, and do have a creepy concept of child consent, but they do assume something like statutory rape if a child cannot have consented (ie, a baby). This legislation could have initiated an age of consent, but did not. Also a number of top European politicians have been tolerated out pedophiles and even written books mentioning their proclivities.

    a number of top European politicians have been tolerated out pedophiles and even written books mentioning their proclivities.

    Who are they?

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  89. Women make good engineers whose fathers or mothers were good engineers.

    You know nothing.

    And anyway, if you think engineers are the ne plus ultra of human excellence, you have never met an engineer.

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  90. Lagertha says:
    @Anonymous

    ... young people despise Boomers and Gen Xrs – bc they caused all the problems, decades ago, that plague the world right now – they gave a green light to the MIC & Regime Change Ad Infinitum.
     
    Sorry, "the MIC & Regime Change" long predate us Gen-Xers. Hell, even the Boomers were just kids when Ike was warning the country about the "military industrial complex".

    But...the MIC controls us. As does Israel.

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