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Video of a mob of Central American juvenile delinquents breaking into U.S. territory only to be sent fleeing back south of the border by pepper spray and tear gas has outraged our moral betters. Not the part about the violation of the territorial integrity of the United States, but the part about the tear gas.

And why are you watching a video when you are supposed to be staring at a single photograph of a woman and children fleeing tear gas? The MSM went to a lot of trouble to find that one photo to tell you all you are supposed to know, so why are you taking in more information than you should?

Our betters, of course, aren’t at all for Open Borders, they’re just against you racists doing anything to protect American borders. The Washington Post, for example, doubles down:

Why tear gas, lobbed at migrants on the southern border, is banned in warfare

By Alex Horton November 26 at 3:53 PM

… On Sunday, U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents fired the chemical agent at mostly Honduran migrants attempting to cross into the United States from Tijuana, Mexico — an unusual escalation of lobbing weapons over an international border at unarmed civilians seeking refuge, drawing condemnation from Democrats.

“I felt that my face was burning, and my baby fainted. I ran for my life and that of my children,” Cindy Milla, a Honduran migrant with two children, told the Wall Street Journal. …

Chemical weapons such as CS gas are indiscriminate and “uniquely terrorizing in their application,” which necessitated their ban in combat in 1993, said Kelsey Davenport, director of nonproliferation policy at the Washington-based Arms Control Association.

This use of chemical weapons justifies regime change. Letting the bombing of the White House begin!

The photos outraged Democrats critical of President Trump’s response to the migrant caravan. Gavin Newsom, the Democratic governor-elect of California, argued that images of kids sprinting from tear gas run counter to American ideals.

“These children are barefoot. In diapers. Choking on tear gas,” he tweeted. “Women and children who left their lives behind — seeking peace and asylum — were met with violence and fear. That’s not my America. We’re a land of refuge. Of hope. Of freedom. And we will not stand for this.”

Tear gas was used during protests in Ferguson, Mo., after the 2014 police shooting death of Michael Brown, drawing similar rebukes from rights groups and citizens who said the police response was disproportionate.

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  1. The photos outraged Democrats critical of President Trump’s response to the migrant caravan. Gavin Newsom, the Democratic governor-elect of California, argued that images of kids sprinting from tear gas run counter to American ideals.

    For all his bluster Trump never pushes to the core issue.

    Just say it Trumpy, “Separate nations”.

    All these leftists, Democrats, never Trumper Jews endlessly whining. Fine. You can have your borderless rainbow hued utopia. I–and millions of others like me–just want to live in America.

    Say it Trump, “Separate nations” … and sit back and listen to them squeal like stuck pigs.

    • Disagree: Lowe
    • LOL: IHTG
  2. You know, a clever Republican politician in CA (yeah, I know) might publicly press the issue about allowing a certain number of Honduran refugees take residence at the governor’s mansion in Sacramento, or Meathead’s mansion in Malibu.

  3. Spud Boy says:

    I for one am outraged by the use of tear gas. We should be using M60s.

  4. Flamethrowers remain lawful weapons of armed combat, if that’s the standard that we should be applying-perhaps justifiably so in resisting invasion.

    • Replies: @donut
  5. bomag says:

    Well, nice places to live are a scarce resource.

    People fight over scarce resources.

    The violence shows up eventually. In this case, the violence is from our betters applying a boot to the face of those who won’t go along with the invasion.

  6. Bugg says:

    How many of his beloved migrants is Gavin Newsom taking into his home? And there are not a lot of women and children among them.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  7. “Unarmed civilians seeking refuge”. Two, possibly three falsehoods in just four words. Bezos sure knows how to run a newspaper efficiently.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    , @Anonymous
  8. The now infamous photo of the plump woman with three children running from the evil gringos lobbing what I read was pepper gas is curious for several reasons apart from possibly being a wag the dog scenario by the Leftist organizers. There’s at least two “babies” in diapers but they look to be at least three years of age or more and the mother wearing the Frozen shirt looks pretty old to be the mama of them. Also none appear brighter than the rocks the others were hurling but I suppose as long as they can find the Democrat on the ballot that’s all that matters.

  9. Buck says:

    All army recruits used to be subject to exposed to CS gas during basic training. It was kinda a right of passage to “survive” the gas chamber. You were marched in wearing gas masks and stood in rows of about six guys. The front row was ordered to remove their masks to get the full effects of the gas and then allowed to escape after about a minute. Then the next row stepped up, and so on, until the entire company had been gassed.

    It was done to prove to recruits that their gas masks worked to protect them and that lesson absolutely hit home. Everybody thought they could “man up” and take the gas but your body has other ideas. Your eyes and throat burn. Some guys puke involuntary. Everybody bit of mucus in your head finds itself dripping down your face. Then you run out that door as fast as you can when allowed.

    But it’s temporary and harmless. After a few minutes of fresh air, you feel fine and are laughing at the next line of screaming wimps running out the door flapping their arms.

    CS is a highly effective method of deterrence and not at all harmful.

  10. “and my baby fainted”

    Maybe is nap time for babby? Unless the child was clutching its pearls at the time.

    • LOL: Rosie
  11. it’s all optics,

    on both sides:

    in fact the orcs are being asylum’d into the US at the rate of 100/day @ San Diego, ditto @ other entry points. Same as with the first “refugee” caravan.

    but that’s not fast enough for the invaders.

    they want all-at-once.

  12. When do we invade France?

    • Agree: fnn
  13. @WowJustWow

    TBH Bezos is too busy to do that himself, but there are all kinds of grievance-study majors who can write that stuff in their sleep and work cheap too.  (Who else is going to hire them?)

  14. Paul Rise says:

    OT: why is no one talking about the guy who tried to run the hasidic Jews down near LA? Another “hate hoax?”

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  15. Ibound1 says:

    How soon before an injunction is issued by an Obama appointed judge forbidding the use of tear gas as violating something or the other in some document somewhere?

    • Replies: @L Woods
  16. Cindy Milla, a Honduran migrant

    “Cindy”? Is this pre-assimilation? It’s a little out-of-date, even by Latin American standards.

    Gavin Newsom, the Democratic governor-elect of California, argued that images of kids sprinting from tear gas run counter to American ideals.

    Instead, he’ll offer to officiate at their same-sex weddings.

    “That’s not my America. We’re a land of refuge. Of hope. Of freedom…”

    Of lazy, overpaid gardeners just asking for competition.

    …said Kelsey Davenport

    Oh, the memories! Digging for Indian head pennies and buffalo nickels in great-grandma’s Kelsey davenport!

  17. Corvinus says:

    “Video of a mob of Central American juvenile delinquents breaking into U.S. territory only to be sent fleeing back south of the border by pepper spray and tear gas has outraged our moral betters.”

    You mean this necessary action outraged a segment of the American population. To quote a prominent Alt Right leader, “It looks like we’re about to find out whether President Trump proves worthy of the trust Americans have placed in him or if he’s going to cuck like every American president since Eisenhower.”

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
  18. Shotguns are banned for military use. I suppose US cops, and civillians, are allowed to carry them.

    The Geneva Conventions have quite a few quirks like that.

  19. JLK says:

    Better to have planted fake news of atrocities at the border in the Guatemalan press a few months ago.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  20. So, if somebody starts harassing Governor Newsome, the cops can shoot them, because it’s more humane than pepper spraying them?

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  21. If tear gas is illegal, how in hell did the whole 1960′s happen?

  22. bgates says:

    Democratic Positions on the Use of Weapons vs Civilians:

    * foreigners forcibly entering country – tear gas is unconscionable overreaction

    * citizens who refuse to surrender firearms – nukes aren’t out of the question

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  23. Lowe says:
    @AnotherDad

    No separate nations. The right must win, not retreat and lose piecemeal.

    • Agree: Nathan
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  24. Daniel H says:
    @jimmyriddle

    Shotguns are banned by Geneva conventions? If you can believe Oliver Stone they were used by the US military in Vietnam. Kevin Dillon’s character, Bunny, uses one in the final battle scene. Didn’t help him much, though.

    I have read that during WWI the German army let it be known that if they captured an American or British soldier wielding a shotgun they would be executed on the spot.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  25. Bubba says:
    @Buck

    Similar to the military training with waterboarding which is now ridiculously described as torture.

    Now the lunatic elite declare pepper spray/tear gas a banned chemical weapon (got to hand it to the writer Alex Horton for the inane contortion of tying in Michael Brown and Ferguson with this) .

    How’s a jogging Becky able defend herself if the idiots in Congress outlaw pepper spray?

  26. I complainants preferred that we use rubber bullets and bean bag grenades . . .

    either way protect the border and fog goodness sake build the wall

  27. Whiskey says: • Website

    Over/Under on how long it takes for a Judge in Hawaii to “have it up to here with Trump and the Deplorables” and order Trump removed and the border abolished along with ICE?

    I’d say no more than two days. Tops.

    To the majority of White female voters, that Guatemalan immavasion looks just like more cheap Uber drivers. THAT is our major problem.

  28. istevefan says:

    Here is a video of the US military’s active denial system which is a non-lethal weapon. Here is a brief description:

    The Active Denial System (ADS) is a non-lethal, directed-energy weapon developed by the U.S. military. It is a strong millimeter-wave transmitter primarily used for crowd control (the “goodbye effect”).

    Why is this not on the border?

    • Replies: @Lugash
  29. @jimmyriddle

    You’d have made a better case by pointing out that the Geneva Conventions basically require FMJ rounds by banning expanding and exploding bullets, while the exigencies of police work essentially ban FMJ rounds and necessitate the use of expanding or frangible bullets. AFAIK, shotguns are perfectly legal weapons of war.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    , @anon
  30. istevefan says:
    @jimmyriddle

    Shotguns are banned for military use.

    The US Army and Marines have shotguns. Here is a list of shotguns currently in usage with them.

    • Replies: @Forbes
  31. Why doesn’t the US offer to fly them all to Israel. It’s a wealthy democratic country and because Jews are so very, very aware of being deprived, second-class citizens (or un-citizens) in the past, they should welcome all these displaced Central Americans.

    • Agree: Svigor
    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  32. Nathan says:
    @Buck

    That’s still the practice.

  33. Forbes says:

    Chemical weapons such as CS gas are indiscriminate and “uniquely terrorizing in their application,” which necessitated their ban in combat in 1993, said Kelsey Davenport, director of nonproliferation policy at the Washington-based Arms Control Association.

    So the WaPo is stating that combat is occurring at the border, that the ban on tear gas is relevant because it is warfare.

    Perhaps more targeted and lethal means should be utilized, given this claim…

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  34. Forbes says:
    @istevefan

    My nephew was sergeant of a weapons squad in Iraq–they had shotguns, amongst their inventory of lethal weapons.

  35. istevefan says:
    @Buck

    All army recruits used to be subject to exposed to CS gas during basic training.

    I went through the CS training during infantry school. However, I was under the impression that the CS gas used by the military was stronger than tear gas used by the police. Is that true? And if so did the border patrol use CS or a weaker tear gas?

    But it’s temporary and harmless.

    Actually CS gas can linger in your clothing and give you a bad reaction several hours after being gassed. When I went through the CS gassing, I did not change my clothes right away since I was still in the field. We marched back to the barracks later that day. Somebody came up to me and patted me on the back to ask how did I like the training? A puff of CS residue came out of my clothing and caused me to start tearing up again just like hours earlier.

  36. Arclight says:

    At no point has the media attempted to explain why letting in massive numbers of unskilled and uneducated people who do not speak our language is a value-add proposition for 21st century America. Or perhaps why if huge numbers of such people desire to leave their homeland for ours, it’s our duty to oblige them.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @anon
  37. L Woods says:
    @Buck

    They still do this (for the Air Force anyway). Sadly, they conveyed a rather different lesson in my case. First, my mask was an old piece of junk that failed to seal. Even better, one of the trainees didn’t speak English (at least not well), thus keeping us in the gas chamber much longer than intended. A fine microcosm of things to come.

    • Replies: @Lurker
  38. @Clifford Brown

    Mr. Sulu is saying he wants “shields down”. Or maybe just our pants.

    • LOL: Bubba, Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    , @dvorak
  39. Coag says:

    The leftist elite of this country must be fought and destroyed with any means necessary, including using the left’s own assumptions against them. Trump should weaponize Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing against the left and decree that all cities must be forcibly racially integrated within city limits. This will break the political coherence of the great Democratic cities as white liberals are forced to actually live side by side with large numbers of their favorite pet causes like blacks and illegal immigrants.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Svigor
  40. Lugash says:
    @istevefan

    The LRAD sonic weapon was supposedly onsite, but I didn’t see any pics.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Acoustic_Device

    Chemical weapons such as CS gas are indiscriminate and “uniquely terrorizing in their application,” which necessitated their ban in combat in 1993, said Kelsey Davenport, director of nonproliferation policy at the Washington-based Arms Control Association.

    Does anyone else see a pattern of the media painting any of Trumps enforcement actions as combat?

    I don’t remember any liberal outrage over this use of CS:

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  41. @Lowe

    No separate nations. The right must win, not retreat and lose piecemeal.

    It’s a propaganda line. It’s purpose is to unmask what’s going on–the “who whom”, who is oppressing whom.

    Do you think Bill Kristol or David Brooks or Jennifer Rubin or Max Boot or Gavin Newsome or Hillary! or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, would actually be happy letting us go?

    Hell no! That’s the last thing they want. They want to be in a nation where we white guys are working away providing goodies but under their thumb.

    Rip the mask off!

    • Agree: Marat, Mr. Rational, Kylie
    • Replies: @istevefan
    , @TRASH(NOT)
  42. L Woods says:
    @Ibound1

    Just as likely to be a Bush judge.

  43. It really looks like that photo of the woman and her kids running away from a tear gas canister was staged.

    Just look at all the other people there who are just standing around and some of them are being photographed!

  44. Marat says:

    Now we know why Gavin appeared so distracted and emotionally absent when he and Brown met with Trump about the Paradise fires. I’d had the initial impression he was worried about his hair Product, but turns out, he was distracted about how to respond when the caravan gets to the border.

  45. @Buck

    And that’s in an enclosed room filled with CS. The immigrants were in the open air. You just run a little ways out of the area of the gas. It’s not much fun if you breathe some in or it gets in your eyes but its not that bad.

  46. @Spud Boy

    Exposure to tear gas was, probably still is, a requirement in army basic training. It makes your eyes burn and snot come out of your nose, but it won’t kill you.

  47. dvorak says:
    @International Jew

    Mr. Sulu is saying he wants “shields down”. Or maybe just our pants.

    He’s saying, think of the all the sweaty, dirty, military-age male mestizos. (Ohh, myyy!)

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  48. BenKenobi says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    More like the Scrub Convention, amirite?

    Next thing they’ll tell us is no Juggernaut perk!

  49. @Clifford Brown

    Mr. Sulu is a senile asshole. Doesn’t even write his own tweets. At least William Shatner does, or at least, supervises his assistant closely while he does it.

    I’ve had little respect for him ever since he complained that Shatner demanded he be ‘demoted’ from captain after Star Trek 2 or 3. Rather than saying ‘wow, I’m a has been flaming asian who’s just happy to have work,’ he stabs the star in the back. I think pretty much all of the secondary cast of the show/movies did that, though.

    He does, however, speak passable spanish from some clips I’ve seen. Not that that has anything to do with anything.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Anonymous
  50. “I felt that my face was burning,

    O.K.

    and my baby fainted.

    Bullshit.

    I ran for my life and that of my children,”

    She may have run but no one’s life was in danger.

    Cindy Milla, a Honduran migrant with two children, told the Wall Street Journal.

  51. dr kill says:
    @Potatohead

    I read it as two women , each with one child.

  52. @Peripatetic commenter

    I commented somewhere else before I saw this pic. All they need to do is move away from that white smoke. It’s really much milder than the Army where you are put into an enclosed room full of CS.

    And the gas chamber in the Army is not really that bad. Sure, it sucks at the time but there were times that I would have volunteered to go again in exchange for an extra hour of sleep.

    • Agree: Autochthon
  53. @AnotherDad

    AD you cannot believe they would leave us alone. They need the food we produce. They need the stability we provide. They need our intelligence, insights and ingenuity. But most of all, they need us so that they we can provide the face that they stamp on forever.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  54. @South Texas Guy

    It makes your eyes burn and snot come out of your nose, but it won’t kill you.

    That was my experience living next to Pasadena, TX. Though I did have a close call or two.

    • Replies: @Bubba
  55. @Clifford Brown

    Trump should have been tear gassing George Takei daily ever since the caravan began.

    • LOL: Corn
  56. @Bubba

    How’s a jogging Becky able defend herself if the idiots in Congress outlaw pepper spray?

    I say we pepper spray George Takei. Then we pretend he came from Burma and send him back where he came from. And we tell the Burmese that George is a Muslim. Then we pepper spray George one more time for good measure.

    • Agree: Bubba
    • Replies: @Bubba
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
  57. bomag says:
    @Potatohead

    Agree about the photo. And all the videos show pretty well fed, clothed, and equipped people; owning pretty new clothes and backpacks. The optics aren’t so good, but I guess it’s close enough to fit the narrative.

  58. donut says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    Flame throwers are legal to own in every state except California .

  59. @jimmyriddle

    I carried a pistol grip mossberg in Mosul. Wtf are you smoking?

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  60. @Whiskey

    Whiskey, you have always been the great persuader, especially with women. Go work your magic.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
  61. Mr. Anon says:

    A group of about 100 people trying to illegally cross the border Sunday near the San Ysidro port of entry threw rocks and bottles at U.S. Border Patrol agents, who responded by using pepper spray and other means to force the crowd back into Mexico, federal officials said.

    https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-border-patrol-rock-throwing-san-ysidro-2013nov25-story,amp.html?__twitter_impression=true

    This was back in 2013, when Obama of Blessed Memory was President. Was he a war criminal too?

    • Replies: @istevefan
    , @anon
  62. Mr. Anon says:
    @South Texas Guy

    He does, however, speak passable spanish from some clips I’ve seen. Not that that has anything to do with anything.

    I suppose he finds it necessary to occasionally communicate with his “pool boy”.

  63. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/11/teargassed-caravan-migrant-mother-taking-her-five-kids-to-reunite-with-their-father-in-us/

    This says the “babies” in diapers are five year old twins! Great toilet training and mothering skills they have in Honduras. The aged mother of five says she only wants to “survive” with her children. So what’s stopping her, Mexico has opened their arms to them but she spurns them for El Norte Sugar Daddy who she thinks will buy plenty of diapers for her “babies”.

  64. Bubba says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    Eating jalapeño sausage kolaches nearly killed me several times in Pasadena, TX, but they always cured my hangovers quickly before going to work in one of the refineries.

  65. e says:
    @AnotherDad

    You’ve heard Rob Reiner gets his leftist NIMBY dander up each time a Whole Foods tries to locate in his neck of the woods, Malibu?

    Well, my fantasy is that we rent a caravan of Greyhounds, load up the rowdies of the Nicaraguan “migrants” and dump them in Malibu Colony. That’s the easier of the two parts to my fantasy. The other part is that a Home Depot suddenly appears across from Reiner’s gated residence as do the migrants in the parking lot.

    Ahhhh, dreams….

  66. istevefan says:
    @AnotherDad

    Hell no! That’s the last thing they want. They want to be in a nation where we white guys are working away providing goodies but under their thumb.

    The term you are looking for is tax sheep. They won’t let us go because they need us as their tax sheep.

  67. @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    In the Marine Corps I had the pleasure of CS exposure in the gas chamber as well as being pepper sprayed in the eyes for security force training.

    Pepper spray is worse, IMO.

    • Agree: Autochthon
  68. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @jimmyriddle

    Shotguns are not banned for military use, but they are of limited utility in war. They are either used as very short range but very lethal “trench guns” or for specialized purposes with specialized ammo usually not available for civilian sale. You can not buy nonlethal rounds, door breaching rounds, et al, not because they are illegal (in most cases) but because pwoduct wiability. I guess if you shot someone with ‘nonlethal’ rubber or plastic shot and killed, maimed or crippled him he could sue you and the ammo company. Reloaders load up all kinds of oddball rounds for their amusement, of course.

    To give one a good idea of how useful shotguns are in general warfare, or to would be revolutionaries, in Soviet Russia shotguns and shells were widely available. GUM sold them. I knew people over in Russia in the 60s and 70s who bought those Baikal double shotguns and brought them home because you could get them in the hard currency shops for ridiculously low prices.

    Basically the shotgun is devastating at very short range with most any ammo, but at longer ranges only lethal against humans with slugs or buckshot, and even then “longer” is relative. To get better range than a flintlock smoothbore musket you need a rifled, slug barrel with sights. The slugs must be matched to the particular barrel for good accuracy.

  69. istevefan says:
    @Mr. Anon

    From the link that event took place on November 25, 2013. That is exactly 5 years prior to this event.

    This article should be shared. But just like obammer separating kids, it will be ignored.

  70. @Bubba

    Eating jalapeño sausage kolaches

    I did not know about jalapeños at all until I moved there. Nor guacamole. On a good day I love them both. On a bad day I stick with the guac. :-)

    • LOL: Bubba
  71. athEIst says:

    Given the population of Honduras increases by ~150,000 a year, they could easily send 30 5000 person caravans a year–2 and one half a month FOREVER. Then there’s Nicaragua and Guatemala. I guess most of the Salvadorans are here already.

    • Replies: @Anon7
  72. anon[693] • Disclaimer says:
    @South Texas Guy

    in ROTC officer training too. some people are more or less sensitive, so they’ll make you take stand there and take deep breaths until you’re coughing and wheezing like the the rest of us pansies. you’re supposed to flap your arms to help dissipate the effects, but i think that was a trick they played on us to make us look even stupider. i recall barfing on the OIC’s feet in my blindness as i left the tent.

  73. anon[693] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buck

    yup, all the machos who thought they could take got a few extra breaths right over where they were cooking it.

    and yeah, i barfed on the oic’s shoes. good times.

  74. anon[693] • Disclaimer says:
    @Arclight

    100% agree. I’m somewhat more sympathetic to our co-religionists (but the sheer numbers overwhelm my sympathies, it seems), but the first question I have when I’m told not to fear all the muslim immigrants being imported to my neighborhood is “what’s the upside?”

  75. @jimmyriddle

    Today shotguns are still part of U.S. and NATO arsenals.

    RELATED: WHEN EXACTLY SHOULD YOU USE A SHOTGUN? CHECK THIS GRITTY 1970S POLICE TRAINING VIDEO »

    Today shotguns are still part of U.S. and NATO arsenals. The U.S. Marine Corps fields both the Mossberg 500 series pump shotgun , 590 series shotgun, and M1014 semi-automatic shotguns . The U.S. Army, is replacing Mossberg 500 series shotguns with the new M26 Modular Accessory Shotgun System, or MASS . A bolt action, magazine fed shotgun, the M26 can be used along with a shoulder stock or attached under the barrel of an M4 carbine. Even the German Army has done an about-face on shotguns, issuing the Remington 870 Police Magnum to airborne engineer and special operations troops.

    Military shotguns are an invaluable part of twenty-first-century arsenals. As limited as the shotgun is, it can do things traditional military firearms cannot. The military shotgun can bust doors, destroy obstacles, cow prisoners of war, deploy tear gas, and unleash a devastating pattern of lead shot with a single pull of the trigger. Until the day these missions go away, shotguns are here to stay.

    … The U.S. military was the only major power to use shotguns in World War I, issuing a modified Winchester Model 1897, known officially as the Model 1917 Trench Shotgun. (Remington Model 12 and other commercially available shotguns were also issued to the American Expeditionary Force.) The so-called “trench gun” version of the 1897 shortened the barrel to make it easier to wield in close quarters and added a heat shield to prevent accidental handling of a hot barrel.

    The German government decried the use of shotguns as inhumane, stating, “The German Government protests against the use of shotguns by the American Army and calls attention to the fact that according to the law of war, every U.S. prisoner of war found to have in his possession such guns or ammunition belonging thereto forfeits his life. This protest is based upon article 23(e) of the Hague convention respecting the laws and customs of war on land.”

    • Replies: @Lurker
  76. anon[693] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    right, just like the former queen consort Hillary’s husband literally ripped Elian Gonzalez away from his family at gunpoint.

  77. Anonymous[373] • Disclaimer says:
    @South Texas Guy

    >>>[George Takei] does, however, speak passable spanish from some clips I’ve seen. Not that that has anything to do with anything.

    On the other hand, Takei’s attempts at JAPANESE sounds like parody to Japanese ears.

  78. J.Ross says: • Website

    Law of War has never consistently meant anything and most forms of it (ie, these supposedly sacred Geneva conventions) bind mutual signatories when fighting each other, not everyone on the planet in every context forever. A lot of “journalism” on this topic would be lost if we subtracted everything that was apparently written by a Sovereign Citizen.

  79. @anon

    Did you ever use an ATM machine whilst in ROTC officer training? Or learn about ICBM missiles, maybe?

    (I’m just curious….)

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Lurker
    , @Jack Armstrong
    , @anon
  80. Anon7 says:

    The only difference between the NYTimes and a party organ like Pravda in the old USSR is that everybody in the old Soviet Union knew Pravda for what it was – the Party line, extreme leftist propaganda. Most Americans, on the other hand, are convinced that big, main stream news outlets are telling the truth. Trump is a dangerous buffoon put in place by Vladimir Putin. Period. End of story. The rebuff of any given person from South America at our southern border is morally identical to turning away Jewish refugees who fled the Nazis. Period. End of story. Trump isn’t Hitler – YOU are.

    You’ll never convince these people to come over to our side. I know, because I used to be one of them.

    The Democrats are winning and all they need is a stalemate on immigration. Sooner or later, we’ll get too tired or too old, and they’ll do a deal that gives amnesty and citizenship to the 25 million illegals already here. I wouldn’t be surprised if the House and the never-Trumpers in the Senate plus Dems are ready to vote on it right now. And then they’ll put “refugees” by the millions from every god-forsaken sh*thole country on earth right in your town, and force you to tax yourself to pay their way.

    Oh, crap, it’s late at night and I’ve been posting again. Time for bed.

  81. Anon7 says:
    @athEIst

    1) Anyone who lives in a worse country than the United States has a moral right, a Zeroth Amendment right, to come here to the USA to live. But how many will?

    2) About 60% of Puerto Ricans, who have an “open border” with the US, have chosen to live here. So, sixty percent is a good working estimate.

    3) There are about 500,000,000 people living south of the United States.

    Once open borders are achieved we can expect 60% x 500,000,000 = 300,000,000 people to come here from South America. Better get ready.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    , @Wilkey
  82. @jimmyriddle

    Search for “W. Hays Parks” + shotgun … he was a lawyer who wrote a nice article about the history of this small controversy for the Department of the Army in 1997 (?). Executive summary: The use of shotguns and shotgun ammunition doesn’t, and never has been held to, violate the law of war.

    http://cnsl.virginia.edu/w-hays-parks

  83. @Anon7

    Jesus Jumped-Up Christ on His Throne: None of these invaders is from South America. Look at a damned globe some time, will you?!

    Hell, I’ll spell it out: South America includes Venezuela, Brasil, Colombia, Peru, Argentina, Bolivia, Paraguay, Uruguay, Ecuador, Guyana, French Guiana, Suriname, and a few goofy and insular places of no account I may be omitting. One can make a case the southern portions of Panama are part of South America. Several of these places are quite nice and brimming with civilised members of the European diaspora. (Admittedly, others are shitholes.)

    Honduras, Guatemala, Mexico, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Belize, Panama, Costa Rica, Haiti, Cuba, and most of the other Caribbean nations – shitholes to greater or lesser degrees one and all – are, along with the F.U.S.A. and Canadia, in North America.

    • Replies: @Anon7
  84. @Anon7

    South America your grandmother, dummy!

  85. Wilkey says:

    I’m way past arguing with Sen. Schatz and other assorted idiots about whether or not it’s ok to use tear gas. Just ask them how they would secure the borders. Let *them* give *us* a plan that *we* can tear apart as ridiculous, unworkable, and inhumane (to Americans entitled to our own country). They need to tell us how they would secure our borders in a way that doesn’t just involve letting everyone in and legalizing them.

    And I’ve already posted this on like three other threads, but I will repeat myself:

    United States: 3.8 million square miles
    Latin America: 7.4 million square miles

    Why does a group of people that already controls twice as much territory as the United States feel it has the right to move here and take our land, too?

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  86. Lurker says:
    @L Woods

    A fine microcosm of things to come.

    “To see a world in a grain of sand” is the more poetic formulation.

  87. @anon

    In the gas chamber the sergeant told us to take off our masks. Me, being an idiot, did it right away. We were supposed to say somesuch (I forget) before you could go out, and of course the idiots in front couldn’t remember whatever simple phrase it was.

    Being the first out of my mask and the fourth or fifth in line, it got to me. I finally barreled past the sergeant at the door, shoulder checking him. I was expecting a lot of hell from it but nothing was said.

    Also, there were guys (DIs mostly) who’d been exposed enough that it didn’t have a discernible effect on them.

  88. Wilkey says:
    @Anon7

    About 60% of Puerto Ricans, who have an “open border” with the US, have chosen to live here. So, sixty percent is a good working estimate. There are about 500,000,000 people living south of the United States. Once open borders are achieved we can expect 60% x 500,000,000 = 300,000,000 people to come here from South America. Better get ready.

    Your math is correct but not your other assumptions.

    The GDP of Puerto Rico (pop. 3.3 million) is about 1/3rd the GDP of all of Central America (pop. 47 million). Puerto Rico’s economy is propped up with massive subsidies from the American taxpayer. It’s per capita income is $38,000, versus just $4,800 for Central America and $9,600 for Mexico.

    IOW, given a fully open border a far higher percentage of Latin Americans would come here. 60% is too low. And the population of Latin America is 640 million. So it could easily be 450 million people just from Latin America. I hope Sen. Schatz and Kysten Sinema have plenty of spare bedrooms. They may need to give up their walk-in closets and their S&M dungeons, as well.

    Of course all that assumes that the country wouldn’t get worse as more people poured in. When would they stop flooding in? When the United States was only slightly better than the *worst* country on earth (Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen, El Salvador, wherever). Now that’s something to look forward to.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Anon7
  89. Lurker says:
    @David Davenport

    I have vague memories of reading of British officers using their own shotguns in the trenches. But it’s so long ago that I’ve no idea if this was genuine or just something I read in a novel.

  90. Lurker says:
    @Autochthon

    It would also be instructive to know if he learned CPR or something of the workings of the NATO alliance.

  91. Gotta love the way tear gas is referred to as a chemical weapon. Maybe that is what was really used in the false flag attacks in Syria.

  92. @Autochthon

    Did you see this? DNA solves another “cold” murder …

    It is a winter-swept afternoon in January 1969, the thermometer dangling in the mid-30s in Cambridge, Mass. A Harvard University graduate student named James Humphries hustles up the stairs to the top floor of an apartment building two blocks from Harvard Square.

    His friend and classmate Jane Britton was a no-show at an important exam that morning. The phone just rang and rang when he called to check in, a police report would later document. With his knocks now going unanswered at the gold-painted door leading into the $75-a-month apartment Britton shares with a pet cat and turtle, he tries the handle. It’s unlocked.

    It was not like Britton to skip a test. The daughter of a Radcliffe College administrator and medieval history scholar, she graduated magna cum laude from Radcliffe and dove into advanced studies in Harvard’s anthropology department. Two years into her post-grad work, the 23-year-old had recently returned from an archaeological dig in Iran. Friends would later describe her to the New York Times as an accomplished equestrian, a musician who revered Bach, and a witty woman who enjoyed the black comedy of novelist Kurt Vonnegut. A line from the author’s 1959 “The Sirens of Titan” was her favorite quotation: “I was the victim of a series of accidents, as are we all.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/nation/2018/11/26/nearly-years-harvard-was-haunted-by-an-unsolved-murder-dna-now-points-serial-rapist/

  93. Anonymous[357] • Disclaimer says:

    “The MSM went to a lot of trouble to find that one photo to tell you all you are supposed to know,”

    The photo was the objective during the planning stages of “The Caravan.” Once you have your ‘dead kid on the beach’ photo, you can get people to drop logic and be guided by their emotions instead.

  94. Anonymous[357] • Disclaimer says:
    @Potatohead

    “Also none appear brighter than the rocks the others were hurling”

    Those were not rocks you heartless racist, they were legal asylum applications.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  95. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Even when gringoland tries to repel them with pepper spray, they STILL TRY TO GET IN.

    The must really hate their own kind and love gringos.

  96. El Dato says:
    @Daniel H

    If you can believe Oliver Stone they were used by the US military in Vietnam.

    People cleaning tunnels wielded them for sure.

    Hell, there is even special munition to transform tanks into shotguns on tracks.

  97. @Spud Boy

    We use M240s now. We switched after the problems of the M60 were fixed, of course.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  98. Ed says:

    Well I hope all of the nice suburban white ladies that were just so disgusted by big mean Trump that they voted straight Dem this year are happy.

    Expect to see more insanity over immigration from Dems in the next few months or years.

  99. @Clifford Brown

    No Mr. Takei, they should go to internment camps.

  100. @Lugash

    That was animal control, not combat, according to the media.

  101. Anonymous[235] • Disclaimer says:

    As the famous dictum goes, ‘property is 9/10ths of the law’.

    In other words the ‘right of property’ meaning essentially the exclusivity of possession of tangible assets, to the complete exclusion of all and any other persons, is, more or less, the fount and foundation of all civilized life.

    The reality of the open borders crowd, The Economist etc, is that they simply do not recognise the ‘right of property’ of the territory of the USA as pertaining to the citizens of the USA.

    It really is as plain and simple as that.

    But, oh, woe betide the pipsqueak who dares to suggest that George Soros doesn’t have exclusivity of possession of *his* assets.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  102. eah says:

    Tear gas was used because rocks were thrown — those who did not throw rocks were also affected.

    The main problem with the Trump presidency is that he has little moral authority — of course this is largely due to the unfair way the media portrays/vilifies him — still it is so.

    Unfortunate and avoidable scenes like these will not help that.

  103. Jack D says:
    @Peripatetic commenter

    Where did they find the 2 blonde haired children in all of Honduras?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  104. anon[693] • Disclaimer says:
    @Autochthon

    Nah to ICBMs, too useful for us LTs. But in Intel School (’11) they taught us to protect the Fulda Gap.

  105. @Anonymous

    To get better range than a flintlock smoothbore musket you need a rifled, slug barrel with sights. The slugs must be matched to the particular barrel for good accuracy.

    230 yards, open sights, smooth bore, standard slugs, offhand shooting:

    • Replies: @lavoisier
    , @anonymous
  106. anon[707] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    George Washington favored the buck and ball. A shotgun like weapon.

  107. Anon[172] • Disclaimer says:

    This seems like a situation where a wall would help.

  108. e says:
    @AnotherDad

    “For all his bluster…”

    Jesus, man, the one POTUS who has EVER stood ANY ground on this issue, this issue that previous Presidents have run from, and you call it “bluster{? He’s taken the slings and arrows from a global media aligned against him since that first primary; he’s withstood a continuous attempted coup run by former and present bureaucrats of this government and bunch of spooks for this and several other countries working for their global masters, and you call it “bluster.” What’s a guy gotta do?

    • Agree: Mr. Rational, Kylie
    • Replies: @Toxic Talmudist
  109. Dtbb says:
    @Peripatetic commenter

    Looks like tubby is about to fall and squash the kid. Notice how tubby’s knee is about 3 inches off the ground. The first casualty?

  110. Anonymous[250] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Yes, it’s weird. I would have the police look into that fer sure.

    If it was Roma instead of Gimmegrants I would be worried about child abduction, I mean repurposing. Where’s a phoning Becky when you need her?

    Yougoslavia/EU Narrative Contrarian Serb Nebojsa Malic is contrarian:

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/444932-migrants-teargas-children-photo/

  111. Anonymous[250] • Disclaimer says:
    @Redneck farmer

    Fabrique Nationale Herstal – Belgian Quality!

  112. songbird says:

    I’m surprised that newer non-lethals haven’t been more widely adopted for border enforcement.

    Just like in war, the tactics are changing. Caravans are a new tactic. There should be a new counter-tactic, more squarely aimed at crowd control. Personally, I rather like the idea of those microwave machines on trucks that can be pointed towards crowds and hit the nerve endings just right to cause pain without doing any real damage, though I imagine there might be some stampeding.

  113. Anonymous[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @WowJustWow

    If they are genuine refugees aren’t they required to seek shelter at the first safe harbor? Shouldn’t this be in Latin territory, not the US?

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  114. Anon7 says:
    @Autochthon

    Take a look at these sites describing the demographics of our illegal immigrant population. About 3/4 of our illegals are from Central and South America:

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/unauthorized-immigrant-population/state/US

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigrant_population_of_the_United_States

    Calm down, dude. I wasn’t just talking about a particular group of invaders.

  115. @Buck

    An old boss of mine who’d done USMC basic training around 1970, told us his platoon had to sing the Marine Corps Hymn in the gas.

    Then, when it was over and the rest of the unit had been dismissed, he and the one other Jew in the platoon were made to do it all over again.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    , @Wj
  116. Anon7 says:
    @Wilkey

    If you’re saying that the situation is even worse than my depressed midnight imaginings, I accept your corrections.

    I wish I could believe that I’m just making the same mistakes that my many liberal friends make: they only read one side of the story, their confirmation bias means they’ll never see anything but their own point of view, they’ll never talk with anyone who isn’t fully in agreement with them.

    My biggest problem with my point of view is that it’s defeatist. I’ll probably live long enough to see it happen, and I don’t want to, but I can’t see any way around it.

    I was thinking last night that we needed some billionaire to buy up enough media properties to create a new network that could accurately portray events. Then I woke up this morning, and I see that President Trump wants to create a US Government news station.

    So I’ve got that going for me, anyway.

  117. @Spud Boy

    We sold all of the M-60s to Mexico.

  118. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Neil Templeton

    So all those middle aged catladies with Refugees Welcome signs never happened?

    Until men stop pedestal using White women and understand that works and men’s interest s are opposed no progress can be made.

    Women don’t suffer from immavasion. Men always do.

  119. Hubbub says:

    …the teeming masses yearning to be free…

    Looks like a scene from the movie World War Z.

  120. @Potatohead

    and the mother wearing the Frozen shirt looks pretty old to be the mama of them

    No joke, she’s probably 32.

  121. Anonymous[250] • Disclaimer says:
    @Whiskey

    Women don’t suffer from immavasion. Men always do.

    Alyssa Milano (who she? she was in Confessions of a Sorority Girl. Good times! I lolled at “Tina went to Tijuana for an abortion, but she was too afraid to go through with it. Not knowing what to do with her future, she bursts out in tears.”) is unhappy:

    You tear-gassed women and children, asswipe! And on Thanksgiving weekend, you piece of shit, asshole, motherfucking, evil-creature-person!! https://t.co/ngaAlnhWa0

    — Alyssa Milano (@Alyssa_Milano) November 26, 2018

    If you are grievously attacked by the womenandchildren in the street, don’t complain, you Becky you!

  122. Anon7 says:
    @Anon7

    Hey, looks like Ocasio-Cortez thinks just the way I thought she did:

    The 29-year-old self-described Democratic Socialist referred to the hundreds of migrants attempting to rush the border at the San Ysidro port of entry in San Diego, California, on Sunday, saying the migrants are no different from the Jews who fled persecution in Nazi Germany.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/26/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-likens-migrant-caravan-jews-fleeing-holocaust/

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    , @turtle
  123. I have read that during WWI the German army let it be known that if they captured an American or British soldier wielding a shotgun they would be executed on the spot.

    The did but FWIU, they were then gently reminded by us that we held thousands of their POWs, who were completely at our mercy, and that was the end of that.

  124. theMann says:

    The people trying to invade the USA are also invading Mexico – a country with no love for them. Surreptitiously arming militias in Zapatista land and paying bounties would end the caravans in a hurry.

    In any case, the real immigration issue is the hoards (literally, try the customs entry at Bush or DFW) of Central Americans moseying in on tourist Visas who have no intention of leaving, ever.

  125. @John Derbyshire

    That didn’t happen.

    The gimmick of making us sing “Anchors Aweigh,” “The Marine Corps Hymn,” etc. (songs match the service of course) was to ensure no wise-ass is holding his breath (I knew some BUDS candidates who were part dolphin in their abilities to hold their breath…).

    But I call total boloney on the purported anti-Hebrewism in 1970.

    1900 maybe. And only maybe.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @Svigor
  126. jim jones says:

    Good cartoon on Reddit:

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  127. Flip says:
    @Anon7

    Unfortunately the current illegals in the US have citizen children due to the misinterpretation of the Constitution. The problem “solves” itself over time.

  128. Anonymous[113] • Disclaimer says:

    How does one get a thousand Hondurans into a phone booth?

    – Tell them if isn’t theirs.

  129. @Anonymous

    For our current scenario, 4th and goal at the border line, there is the old standby: rock salt in the shotgun shells. It’s not good for much, but it will shoo people away from a few yards. If trespassers are stubborn, however, there will be injuries.

  130. Flip says:

    This is the kind of biased article that was probably similar to articles by leftists in Weimar Germany and Republican Spain that led to Hitler and Franco as a reaction.

  131. @John Derbyshire

    A Naval Academy graduate told me that Marine cadets there are required to stand at attention any time they hear the “Marine’s Hymm.” You know, “From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli… ” etc.

    At events like football games, therefore, the guys in the Navy band make sure to start into the song as often as they can. It’s pretty funny with those Marines being forced to stand up and sit down, over and over, in front of the crowd.

  132. @Autochthon

    FWIW my old neighbor was a retired Jewish guy who served in the Marines in the 1960s before riding the train for thirty years to Wall Street. One day while smoking cigars with him in his backyard, I asked him if he was treated any differently as a Marine back then because he was Jewish. He told me no, in no uncertain terms. There was no prejudice, no difference between him and any other Marine.

    BTW this comment should go to Derb, and the one I posted for Derb should have gone to you. Oh well, they’re both in the same thread, so I hope you both read them.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
  133. @Anonymous

    Mexico has no intention of supporting US immigration laws or the enforcement thereof.

    They never should have gotten into Mexico, muchless reached the US border. The low level war to retake the southern US continues unabated. And while it sounds extreme, one might want to read the La Rosa Charter.

  134. @Anon7

    With the added irony that they aren’t fleeing oppression, they’re fleeing themselves… and wherever they go, there they are.  They want the benefits of a society they are incapable of creating or even maintaining, and wherever they go in significant numbers that society will cease to exist.

    Same problem with Blacks.  Shelley vs. Kraemer wasn’t a victory for human rights, it was the opening shot in the genocide of White America.

  135. @Whiskey

    Nice typing there, Cold Duck. I think you’ve been outed.

  136. L Woods says:
    @Whiskey

    Every inch of human progress has been won utterly in spite of women.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  137. If they built the wall high enough and had checkpoints like East Berlin, they wouldn’t have needed tear gas.

    We’re not keeping anybody in here–we’re keeping them out.

    Well they’re staring all night and
    They’re staring all day
    I had no reason to be here at all
    But now I got a reason it’s no real reason
    And I’m waiting at Berlin Wall

  138. MarkinLA says:
    @Paul Rise

    You are supposed to post a link.

  139. @e

    What’s a guy gotta do?

    maybe enforce E-Verify and go after all employers of illegal aliens?

    maybe cut back or eliminate H1B visas?

    ignore ridiculous rulings by activist judges?

    there’s lots of things he can do but so far hasn’t

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
  140. Corn says:
    @Clifford Brown

    315 million people in America. We don’t need anymore damn asylum seekers.
    We need to move the Overton Window from “legal vs illegal immigration” to “Why do we need immigrants?”

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @EliteComminc.
  141. anon[348] • Disclaimer says:

    I hope they’ve fixed that broken fence by now. I was wondering why they weren’t storming the fenceless border crossings in the AZ desert, now that a fucking Obama judge has struck down Trump’s EO to only allow asylum at entry points, and Trump still hasn’t appealed. Then I realized it’s because they came by bus, there are no roads leading the to the desert crossings, these invaders would have to walk through a treacherous desert, too much trouble! George Soros and the Catholic church want them to invade via the easiest way possible.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  142. unit472 says:

    Hell, I grew up on tear gas at Berkeley. Sproul Plaza was tear gas country!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @turtle
  143. @Clifford Brown

    george takei says “we” lol

    go back to japan, fruitcake, and try to welcome invaders over there

  144. paladin26 says:
    @jimmyriddle

    I think just sawed-off shotguns are banned. Used to call them trench guns, and I’m sure you can figure out why.

    Pretty sure regulars aren’t banned by Geneva, but I could be wrong.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    , @Anonymous
  145. @Whiskey

    To the great majority of working-and-middle class female voters, the so-called migrants look like creepy rapist gangbangers from high school.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
  146. @Bugg

    California is in store for more fun with Greasy Gavin and his creepy wife. Both are imbued with Bay Area elite liberalism, which means things are going to get worse for whites and the middle class in this state.

  147. @Clifford Brown

    We thought we had set the tear gas launchers to stun, Mr. Sulu. Talk to Mr. Scotty – he’s in charge of that shit.

    Mr. Spock, are you detecting mariachi music on the scanners? I’m seeing lots of … fake IDs … people mooching off welfare…. claiming … erroneous deductions … swamping the …. Mr. Spock, do you read? swamping the emergency roo … ugghhh … (but not any more violent … by my … incarceration …. uhhgghhh…. stats) … detecting 0.45% alcohol, Scotty … must. .. close … the …. uhhhggh… border ….

    OK, late to the punch, and I can’t beat International Jew, but Dammit, Steve, I’m just a country blogger!

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  148. @unit472

    I love the smell of tear gas in the morning! Smells like … stupidity.

    Note that Cessna Mix-master at 0:10

    Awesome movies nothwithstanding, napalm is some sick stuff.

    .

  149. Holy frijoles! I have never before seen people wanting to get into California like that. Usually they are fleeing the Golden State.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  150. The solution is for the US Army Corp of Engineers to start building a anti-personnel reinforced chain link fence smothered in concertina wire, asap. It does not have to look pretty, just make it like the one Hungary put up or that surrounds any mid-level security prison. Israel’s fence cost $2-3 million per mile.

    Trump can start today building the access road that will parallel the fence and then a second fence can be built on the other side of the road once the first one is complete. Build it the same way the Trans-Siberian railroad was built starting at both ends as well as various points along the middle. dig a trench on the outsides of the fences and create a berm so cars cannot ram through and you have a fence that is 99% effective.

    Concertina wire is the answer. It would be cheap, quick, and super effective; particularly against old fat women with three kids in tow.

    • Replies: @turtle
  151. By the way, from the looks of things there were a lot of 18+ year old males in that video. Lots of ‘em! 18-30 year-old types with no dinero in their pockets and a lot of time on their hands tend to make mischief. Hey, that’s just what America needs–more 18+ year old males with lots and lots of time on their hands and not even two nickels to rub together.

  152. Anon[134] • Disclaimer says:

    Do these migrants have any … luggage? Is there a logistical supply line following them? Where are the bulky packages of diapers kept? Sleeping tarps? I don’t even see water bottles.

  153. Anonymous[373] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Trump should simply ignore injunctions issued by a single judge as a matter of principle.

    No change in law, no executive order, no announcement. Just ignore, and harshly discipline/transfer to Wake Island any underling who HINTS at sucking up to the robes.

    If a challenge to the federal government is truly important, three or five judges on the Court of Appeals should make the decision after a full hearing, preferably unanimously.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  154. @Corn

    We don’t. We don’t need a single one.

  155. Carol says:
    @Anon7

    In my worst moments in tend to agree. But wouldn’t it be better to treat it as a open question still, as to whether we are too old and tired to fight? Maybe we aren’t. Maybe I don’t want old tired people deciding that.

    I can recall when the eventual triumph of the USSR was a given, too, because of our decadence.

  156. Anonymous[250] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Maybe they are “living off the land”.

    There must be a deep analysis on YouTube but I’m just too dopamine-deficient to do something.

  157. El Dato says:
    @PapayaSF

    I noticed but could be anything.

    We are basically interpreting UFO photos.

    What one needs is get hold of the guy who took that photo and make him talk.

    I suppose the people massing in the background correspond to our esteemed host’s video action. Around which spring up a few dozen makeshift Hollywood studios.

  158. Anonymous[250] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump’s tear gas raised hackles?

    Call on Putin. We can deliver bear gas instead!

  159. The Feds could have arrested the invaders and charged them with terrorism of some sort. Since 9/11, that’s a pretty easy thing to do. The Hondurans were lucky.

  160. @Peripatetic commenter

    Where have I seen a similar scene like that?

  161. Hunsdon says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    In the eyes of the United States Marine Corps, there are only two types of people in the world. There are Marines, and there is everyone else. We do make an exception, in that we divide everyone else into two subcategories, a. United States citizens and be. Everyone else everyone else.

  162. Hunsdon says:
    @Toxic Talmudist

    E-verify for employment, e-verify for benefits.

  163. gregor says:
    @Anon

    Along those lines,

    “These children are barefoot.”

    Barefoot all the way from Honduras? Puhleeeze. I swear these liberals will believe anything.

  164. @eah

    Trump’s problem is that his stupidity and bombast turn off suburban, educated Whites.

    I think everyone understands that politicians have to reduce their public statements to 5th grade comprehension level for effective mass communication, but there also needs to be a more complex underlying strategy than the simple slogans, such as diplomatic or regional initiatives to deal with the underlying problems in Central America. After all the US is not slow to interfere in the Middle East, so why not on its doorstep where there are failed states in the New World?

    • Replies: @eah
  165. Ragno says:
    @Whiskey

    To the majority of White female voters, that Guatemalan immavasion looks just like more cheap Uber drivers. THAT is our major problem.

    Maybe you haven’t been following the Great Becky Scandal – it’s pretty much now part of the landscape – but those white women are the last best hope for we deplorables yearning to breathe free. According to every major “news” organization and publication in the former Christendom, we’d all be basking in the eternal sunshine of the spotless mind were it not for the goose-stepping villainy of the Hitler-heiling honeys who crudely disguise their adoration of all things Adolf as “patriotism”, and who vote that way – or at least, just enough of them did to keep the wolf on the other side of the door.

    I know, I know – I’m not buying it either. Still, the openly-displayed utter contempt for white women is the kind of thing that can only backfire on our (((friends))) – incidentally, I use the triple-parentheses whenever whites demonize other whites simply for being white, since we all know what sort of “white people” choose chaotic moments like this to proudly reject their own Caucasian appearance as a cruel trick of fate. (The very same “white people” who, when it all goes ass-over-teakettle, will elbow you and me out of the way to proudly announce that not only were they white all along, why their forefathers had fought proudly for the Kaiser and the Confederacy!)

  166. MarkinLA says:
    @Anonymous

    A one other commenter has pointed out, some issues are beyond the purview of the courts and are considered political questions. Too many judges are pretending they have jurisdiction on these issues.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_question

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  167. Wj says:
    @John Derbyshire

    I also call bs about singing again for the Jewish guys. My DI could not have cared less about religious affiliations. But good job at slandering the Corps as anti Semitic

  168. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Eric Novak

    That’s not what the latest research shows. Check out Heartiste latest post. Takeaway we have a massive White women problem. Kardashian lifestyle leads to Kardashian votes.

    • Replies: @Eric Novak
  169. @Hunsdon

    I mostly agree, and I defer to you as a marine, but I find a third category of “everyone else” (or maybe even part of “marines” via some dispensation) are those of us with either a trident or one of these:

    https://goo.gl/images/HPKbyC

  170. turtle says:
    @Anon7

    Fabulous idea!
    Let’s get a coven of rabbis down there, schnell, and “convert” the poor bastards, ASAP.
    Truckload of yarmulkes by dawn tomorrow, latest.
    Amazon ought to be able to handle that…

    By the way, domini, domini, domini.
    You’re all Catholics, now.
    And may God have mercy on your heathen souls.

    – FiresignTheatre.

  171. turtle says:
    @unit472

    People’s Park, 1968.
    Alameda Co. sheriff’s deputies.
    Shotguns *and* teargas.:)

    If it took a bloodbath to stop student unrest,
    that’s what the ungrateful little bastards would get.

  172. turtle says:
    @Prof. Woland

    Trenches full of napalm.
    What a concept.

    What kind of woman brings small children to a war zone, anyway?
    can you say, “unfit mother?”

  173. anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    No fair. That’s Hickock45, who shoots almost as accurately with a pistol as I do with a rifle.

  174. @paladin26

    “Sawed-off shotguns”, that is, shotguns with a barrel length less that 18 inches, are heavily regulated for civilian ownership in the US. Buying one requires a special tax stamp, like an automatic weapon or short-barreled rifle.

    The military has no such restrictions.

  175. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hunsdon

    Not a former marine, but IME US Marines tend to include as comrades members of the British Royal Marines and US Navy Hospital Corpsmen.

    The Budweiser, of course, has the same effect on Marines as everyone else : only astronaut wings or “the button” come close. Most healthy young men could become Marines if they want it bad enough, but you have to be a different kind of person altogether to get the Budweiser. If you don’t have really good genes and an iron will you are not getting through BUD/S. I never could have done it. But I know I could have been a Marine if I’d wanted to : Marine boot isn’t all that much worse then Army AIT infantry school, it is faster paced and scarier. But in Marine (and all other) boot camps you either meet the standard or you don’t, and if you do, it is not that bad. In things like BUD/S, they will break you no matter how buff you are, and the superfit are usually the first ones to DOR. If you go to Parris Island already superfit, able to shoot, and are not given to running your mouth, it isn’t particularly traumatic, but they tell me the sand fleas make it uncomfortable.

  176. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @paladin26

    A “trench gun” or “riot gun” is a shotgun, generally pump action, with a fairly short , unchoked (cylinder bore) barrel, and sometimes simple sights. May also have a bayonet lug. I think the 18″ minimum barrel length of the 1934 National Firearms Act was adopted because as it happened that was the length the militery specified for their WW1 orders. Shorter barreled shotguns, such as the Merkel Game Getter and the Ithaca Auto-Burglar gun, were in civilian sale but were uncommon then. But millions of surplus trench guns were out there.

    Shorter barreled shotguns are Title II NFA weapons, with a couple of exceptions. There are handguns that chamber both the .45 Long Colt and the .410 shot shell, but as long as the bore is rifled, this is okay. There is also a kind of mare-shank looking shotgun that falls under a more careful reading of the NFA and seems to be tolerated by BATFE as a Title 1 firearm, but some states do not agree: see the Mossberg Shockwave.

    https://www.mossberg.com/category/series/590-shockwave/

    The US Marshals Service is especially fond of 20 gauge short barreled shotguns as concealable defense weapons for witness protection. The Secret Service prefers the Uzi SMG.

    In my opinion a minimum-legal-length (Title 1) 20 or 28 gauge shotgun is in fact a good choice for home defense for those who are not going to devote a lot of time to firearm training, but for those willing to put in moderate effort, a 6 shot revolver, DA only, in a cartridge with .45 ACP ballistics (i.e., .44 Spl, .45 LC, .45 ACP/AutoRim) is probably better- and for the reasonably well trained nothing beats a 1911, well set up.

    I’ve long felt that if the long gun industry could make a lever or pump gun capable of interchangeably feeding .410 and .45 LC shells it would be a good thing for people in anti-handgun jurisdictions where long guns could be still had. It would have to be capable of firing .454 Casull or .460 S&W cartridges since those would chamber as well, of course.

  177. pyrrhus says:
    @Spud Boy

    You mean A-10s, don’t you?

  178. Svigor says:

    I think rubber bullets next. Yes, rubber bullets.

  179. Svigor says:
    @Clifford Brown

    LOL. Oh my, George Takei! Guess his rent-boy went home for the evening.

    Of course we had other choices. Rubber bullets, FMJ, mustard gas, daisy cutters…

  180. Svigor says:
    @Whiskey

    Your schtick is still gay.

  181. Svigor says:
    @Coag

    Great idea. At the very least, watching the left ignore this FANTASTIC, VERY PROGRESSIVE IDEA would be instructive.

  182. Svigor says:
    @Whiskey

    Yeah, u homo, some catladies with signs opened the borders.

    LOL @ u.

  183. Svigor says:
    @eah

    Hasn’t the unemployment rate dropped like a stone? I know it’s minuscule where I live.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  184. Svigor says:
    @Autochthon

    I was gonna call BS at the part about two Jews in a MC platoon in 1970, but I see the draft ended in ’73.

    • LOL: Autochthon
  185. @Whiskey

    That figure of 72% of white female democrats who, in 2015, supported the role of government in creating economic equality for minorities belies the far more important trend of the past 25-30 years, which is that whites have been running away from the Democratic Party like a female office worker from a schizophrenic dumpster dweller covered in shît pursuing her down the street for change for another bottle of Boone’s Farm. In either 2020 or 2024, whites for the first time in the history of the Democratic Party will be a minority of their votes. After minoritization, this departure will accelerate with the stripping of power from Democratic white politicians, except for those whites willing to lick the boots of Democrats who despise their white privilege, like the Millennials and a few Boomer cat ladies represented in that figure, who as white voters will continue to shrink as their own views degenerate further. White flight is not the only reason for the hemmoraging of whites from the left. The demographic effects of decades of mass immigration is.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  186. Svigor says:

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2018/11/27/missionary-didn-die-from-tribesmen-arrows-was-killed-his-own-arrogance/QSblpdBocWWSs3HeS94TYP/story.html?p1=Article_Recommended_ReadMore_Pos1

    A self-styled Christian missionary, Chau tried to foist his presence and beliefs on the Sentinelese tribe.

    Well, I never. Doesn’t he know only non-whites get to do that to whites?

  187. @Anon

    They’re ferried in buses, meals provided, medical needs attended to, etc. They only walk or rush borders for photo ops.

    Our press is a disgrace. I’ve totally tuned out the MSM. A lot of my right-wing buddies are apoplectic with rage about what’s going on. When we speak on the phone they just rant. It can’t be good for their health. I try to detach myself emotionally from the fate of my country so I can get through what’s left of my life with some peace of mind.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  188. @Harry Baldwin

    Right. A platoon of special operators would be hard-pressed to travel two thousand miles afoot and shoeless, but we’re to believe fat mestizos and children did…

    They could at least make the effort to smear pigs’ blood on their feet for effect.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  189. @eah

    Ah, Dickey Spencer taking time to LARP as Internet Aristocrat when he’s not beating his wife or posing with Julia Ioffe in front of a rainbow flag.

  190. eah says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    …so why not on its doorstep where there are failed states in the New World?

    I answered you before but unfortunately via the unz.com server crash my comment was lost.

    In this context it is not necessary to “interfere” at all (and ‘interference’ is in general undesirable) — simply declare every country in Central America a ‘safe’ country for asylum purposes, which is not at all unreasonable — an overabundance of poverty and ordinary criminality has never been, is not now, and cannot ever be grounds for asylum — this would accomplish all of the following: 1) expedite denying the asylum claims and removing the people from the US; 2) the US would formally fulfill its legal obligations under the asylum and refugee treaty; 3) it would pressure Mexico to stop future caravans, which at the moment under international law they are not obligated to do.

    At the same time, the US should, ASAP, pursue a third party ‘safe country’ agreement with Mexico — this would obligate any future ‘caravaners’ to apply for asylum in Mexico — and thereby, for all practical purposes, eliminate the possibility of any future ‘caravans’.

    It’s as simple as that.

    • Replies: @eah
  191. @Jack Hanson

    The next time the US complies with the Geneva Conventions, or indeed any treaty it signs or is subject to, will be the first.

    Ask any Indian (How not Dot)

  192. @Hunsdon

    I divide the world into two also. The criminally insane psychopaths and the non-marines.

  193. @Svigor

    The unemployment rate is so low because of the plethora of part-time (lt 30 hrs) low pay no benefit jobs.

  194. @Bubba

    I rubbed a little Tabasco sauce on the legs of our furniture after I brought the new puppy home. Should I be worried about being dragged off to The Hague?

  195. @Anon7

    You’ll never convince these people to come over to our side. I know, because I used to be one of them.

    Self-contradiction ought to awaken you. If you came over, why can no others do the same?

    • Replies: @Anon7
  196. eah says:
    @eah

    All of this could have and should have been prevented.

  197. @AnotherDad

    I think you didn’t notice the ‘other’ brown wave that has been coming in through ‘legal’ immigration these past few decades [hint. look at tech]

    Those people are being brought to replace us in the upper echelons of the diminishing industry while the hispanics are being brought to replace the white proles [and I'd say even the blacks]

    So don’t just assume they’d let us steer the industry or allow us just to Be. They want white serfs. The hindoos already dream of an utopia where the whites would lick their boots [perhaps due to being humiliated at the hands of the british. As browns they conflate all whites with brits]. After kicking almost everyone outta tech [I know. I work in tech], they think it is doable and are gleefuly looking forward to it [in canada it's even worse].

    So when you merely focus on the brown hordes over at tijuana [or brownsville], you forget we are also being colonized by a different brown people who are a lot more cunning, deceitful and hateful ala redmond (wa), richardson (tx) and edison (nj). On top of that, they’ve got a lobby up in Dc as well. Most gainfully employed whites get too lost on tho joes and raymundos to forget about the rajesh’s who will prove to be FAR more deadly in the long run

  198. Anon7 says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    Let’s see. You’d have try starting your own business, which I’ve done. Dems mostly won’t do that, too much reality testing.

    I worked in the big college environment, then left. Dems won’t leave big state supported organizations; it’s the closest thing to socialism you can get in America.

    When I came out in favor of Trump, I think it’s 50/50 my wife would have divorced me, no sh*t. (That’s why you marry a woman who is unalterably opposed to divorce.)

    My wife has friends who have listened to my quaint ideas sbout listening to views that don’t agree perfectly with your own. They think that I’m a Nazi, a real jackbooted Brownshirt who dreams of ovens, and they will have nothing to do with me.

    The fine university that I attended, that actually cherished western values, taught my own children PC attitudes, and if they were told to do it, they would turn me in to the secret police.

    The social cost for a Democrat to change sides is just too high. Imagine that everyone you know over decades of apparent friendship now thinks you’re a despicable subhuman racist monster. That’s what I live with.

    I’ll be honest, there are times when I feel like that guy in the Matrix who took the red pill but sometimes wishes he could have a real steak. I miss human companionship.

  199. Blubb says:

    Why do these people drag their babies into combat situations? What sort of father allows that?

  200. Anonymous[308] • Disclaimer says:
    @jimmyriddle

    It’s illogical to regard land mines and other fragmentation weapons as humane but reject shotguns as inhumane.

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