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In The Atlantic, “Ideas” editor Yoni Appelbaum explains at vast length how the Republicans are trying to “rig the electorate” by not acquiescing to the Democrats’ attempts to rig the electorate through the immigration of Democratic-leaning foreigners.

How America Ends
A tectonic demographic shift is under way. Can the country hold together?

Story by Yoni Appelbaum

It’s basically a sententious and utterly un-self aware version of an iSteve parody. Yoni’s bottom line: the GOP must go back to the winning immigration strategy of John McCain and Paul Ryan. Would Yoni Appelbaum lie to his good friends in the Republican Party?

 
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  1. We should import more people from India just so they can laugh at Yoni Appelbaum’s name.

  2. This is nice. They’re right back to trolling us with their snake oil. Of course, the only people who buy it are the people who already buy it—not Trumpers.

  3. Yoni Appelbaum was famously discovered by Ta-Nehisi Coates who was struck by Appelbaum’s nuanced and insightful online comments on Coates’ Atlantic articles.

    I always had my doubts about this origin story.

    • Replies: @Altai
    , @Ed
  4. “by Yoni Appelbaum”

    No further questions, your honor.

    JUDGE: Counselor, are you /ever/ going to ask a question?

    — With all respect, your honor, what would be the point?

    JUDGE: Okay, that counts as a question.

    • Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV
  5. A tectonic demographic shift is under way. Can the country hold together?

    Where’d all that strain energy come from in the first place, Appelbaum?

    California, tumbles into the sea …
    that’ll be the day I go back to Annandale…

  6. Dr. X says:

    Well, this is the money quote right here:

    If Republican voters can’t be convinced that democratic elections will continue to offer them a viable path to victory, that they can thrive within a diversifying nation, and that even in defeat their basic rights will be protected, then Trumpism will extend long after Trump leaves office…

    Of course demographics is destroying conservatism and Republicanism. Applebaum makes this sound like it just kinda happened that way, but it didn’t. It’s the result of deliberate policy choices over the last five decades. What’s happened recently is that even questioning those policy choices has been ruled out-of-bounds. The Left has been openly looking forward to the day when the U.S. becomes majority nonwhite precisely because that day guarantees that the “basic rights” of white Republicans won’t be protected, and that there will no longer be a “viable path to victory” for them. Democrats know damn well that the day they flip Texas blue, or the U.S. becomes majority nonwhite — which ever happens first — they will become the American equivalent of the PRI and will win every election for the next 75 years.

    “Trumpism” — taken to mean whites unhappy about being displaced — may well extend past Trump’s tenure in office, but the question is, will it matter? Will “Trumpists” be nothing but a persecuted dissident minority in a demagogic, nonwhite nation akin to Afrikaners in SA today?

    It really IS two minutes to midnight for white America…

    • Replies: @Eric Novak
    , @Bill B.
  7. J.Ross says:

    The argument for nepotistic, underqualified media hires is pretty much people like Yoni here. In all likelihood this is not accurate, but the hostile implication is more important than the exact history of Yoni’s hiring, because it amounts to an invalidating of an institution. Were a journalist the most ethical, experienced, and well-trained available, the real media failure clue isn’t “Appelbaum,” it’s “Ideas Editor.”

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  8. Arclight says:

    America ends when an overwhelming majority of whites – who will still be numerically the largest and wealthiest group for many decades – decides our political system no longer works for them. It’s going to take some time and probably at least a generation of progressive dominance/disenfranchisement of white people in politics, employment, education etc., but after awhile even people who consider themselves on the left will lose faith after having seen the effects on their spouses, friends, and children.

    There will be big changes, many not good, and definitely not what our progressive would-be masters expect.

    • Agree: Counterinsurgency, Hail
    • Replies: @Steve2
    , @Bill B.
    , @Alden
  9. Hail says: • Website

    Yoni Asher Appelbaum

    – Yoni Appelbaum, born ca. 1980 (or possibly late 1979);
    – parents: Dr. Paul S. Appelbaum (1951-, Brooklyn family origin) (Columbia University ’72), and Diana Karter (1953-) (Columbia University ’75); father is a 2000s and 2010s-era Professor of Psychiatry, Medicine and Law at Columbia;
    2003: Yoni graduates (BA) magna cum laude from Columbia;
    June 2004: marries Emily Susan Pressman (born ca. 1981) (of Yale); wedding officiated by Rabbi Charles H. Sheer;
    – Mid or late 2013: As PhD work wraps up, is hired by Harvard and teaches history there, until Dec. 2014 when he is hired at The Atlantic;
    2014: Graduates with PhD from Brandeis; in Social and Cultural History of the United States — Dissertation title: “The Guilded Age: The American Ideal of Association, 1865-1900;”
    Jan. 2015: Named ‘Politics Editor’ at The Atlantic; Appelbaum “had an unconventional start with The Atlantic: as a frequent commenter on the site, specifically to posts by national correspondent Ta-Nehisi Coates. Appelbaum’s comments caught the attention of Coates and The Atlantic’s editors, who invited him to become a contributing writer.”

    ________

    Yes, lots of iSteve material there including elite colleges, what seems to be likely cases of nepotism, a T.N. Coates mention, and Yoni’s purported start as a “frequent commenter” in comment sections.

    “Yoni was essential to the last two or three pieces I wrote for the magazine—reading them and offering rigorous academic critique,” says Coates. “He’s proof that there is wisdom everywhere: that it’s possible to find someone like him in a comments section online.

  10. BenKenobi says:

    From The Onion during the 2000 election debacle:

    “Why can’t the two Americas just hold separate elections?”

    Also from that time, one of my favorites (and relevant to Hillary too!):

    https://politics.theonion.com/clinton-declares-self-president-for-life-1819565819

    • LOL: Dieter Kief
    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  11. Anon[536] • Disclaimer says:

    A tectonic demographic shift is under way. Can the country hold together?

    The rhetorical use of this perfect contradiction in terms, before the article, is self-refutation at its most concise and prompt.

    Though, perhaps Applebaum’s circumvention of the more politically cogent term nation is telling here. After all, boiling the frog must require a gradual detachment from the thing that the frog most cares about: his body.

    • Agree: Houston 1992
    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  12. prosa123 says:

    I can’t believe anyone, a man no less, is named “Yoni.”

  13. Steve2 [AKA "StillSteve2Still"] says:

    Even Robot Devil from Futurama would be infuriated by this stupid sh•t. At least RD had to get people to sign before he sends them to Hell. Who does Ms Appelbaum think she is?

    • Replies: @Steve2
  14. Altai [AKA "Altai_3"] says:

    I’ve actually seen this argument in quite a few places, that by restricting immigration, even illegal immigration, even when immigration is unpopular and has always been unpopular, that one is engaged in ethnic cleansing by not allowing the ethnic cleansing of old stock Americans through the artificial means of immigration.

    Immigration is not natural population development, it is the opposite, it is ethnic engineering. But to certain people they genuinely believe the ovens are waiting if it isn’t treated as such. I can’t tell if certain quarters got too much Sigmund Freud or not enough.

    As a natural-born American (I’m not sure on his parents) with a wife with natural-born parents (And on her mothers side deep old stock) with the names Paul and Diana, naming your three children Binyamin, Yoni and Avigail is sending some kind of a signal.

    Hilariously the whole family is largely quite seriously and substantively critical of globalisation and rampant capital, the mother is described by wikipedia as:

    Muir, an environmental historian, is a critic of American choice of “profitability over sustainability.” She has been called “Malthusian,” and a “shameless environmentalist.” She has written a column for the Massachusetts Sierran, the magazine of the Massachusetts Sierra Club.

    I wonder how she feels about immigration and it’s impact both directly on the environment and on the prioritisation of environmental policy?

    She also has written on genetics and identity:

    Muir has published a number of articles on genetics and ethnicity, defending the position that ethnicity is a matter of language and customs, not genetic descent.

    Maybe that’s what her husband and her in-laws told her when she converted. Always a certain ethnicity that claims this to outsiders whilst simultaneously being positively obsessed with it between themselves. It’s incredible.

  15. @prosa123

    It’s a diminutive of the Hebrew ‘Yonah’, Jonah in English

  16. I believe the phrase is “concern troll.”

    • Agree: Ian Smith, Herbert West
  17. Steve2 [AKA "StillSteve2Still"] says:
    @Arclight

    Sorry. WTs have already been replaced. Their opinions and existence are irrelevant. Maybe their progeny can just eat dirt and live outside. A cup of Boomer cocoa and off to bed for me. Good night.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  18. nsa says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Yoni appreciation is not just for dotheads. Chinese concubines for 6000 years have utilized the weighty jade “yoni egg” to strengthen their money maker.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Mark Miller
  19. The chutzpah of these Ellis Island-Americans, telling us how to run our country.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
  20. Altai [AKA "Altai_3"] says:
    @Clifford Brown

    The whole family is actually quite good at real political discussions, being quite excellent at describing corrupt aspects of globalisation and international finance. The books they’ve published are quite good. Yet when Donald Trump (Ie, the greatest destroyer of globalisation, both directly and through widen the political debate, the world has yet seen) or immigration (Damaging directly to the environment and the social solidarity needed to place it higher in the political agenda as well as being central to the FIRE economic system they so deplore) is concerned, they lose their marbles completely and go hard into TDS.

    Maybe it has something to do with their parents, Paul and Diane, naming the kids Binyamin, Yoni and Avigail in the early 80s. Probably the best way to bias your son towards a Jewish wife is giving him a name only a Jewish girl would know how to pronounce automatically in the late 90s. For a daughter it probably works 100%.

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  21. @Moses

    If this traitor’s ancestors deliberately mis-spelled the name Apfelbaum, who gives a shit how they want it mis-spelled.

  22. Steve2 [AKA "StillSteve2Still"] says:
    @Steve2

    It’s Mx Applebaum. I really was trying to be polite. Good night.

  23. @Dr. X

    Affirmative action benefits in hiring and promotion and trillions in social welfare redistribution for 100,000,000 foreign minorities guarantees that whites won’t be thriving or feel that their rights are protected. These basic facts about privilege for immigrant minorities seems to have slipped the mind of this Harvard Ph.D.

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  24. @Hail

    Though always highbrow and generally liberal, The Atlantic used to be a pretty good magazine even into the late 90s. Then it was taken over by David Bradley who (according to Wiki) “refashioned it as a general editorial magazine primarily aimed at a target audience of serious (!) national readers and ‘thought leaders’ (!!). One such individual is apparently the current editor-in-chief, Jeffrey Goldberg, who has made sure that it remains a magazine designed for The Great and The Good ( If memory serves, Jeffrey allegedly discovered his Jewishness when, as a kid, he was beaten up by several Irish kids-“Irish” understood as a euphemism for “working class Catholic Christian.”).

  25. J.Ross says:

    How France Ends
    A French anon is saying that this is a story about a 38yo “refugee” married by a French women; her six year old granddaughter visited the house and you know what happened next.

    https://www.lyonmag.com/article/104187/pierre-benite-surpris-par-sa-femme-en-train-de-violer-leur-petite-fille

    There’s only local source.
    Big media won’t talk about this kind of story, let alone foreign media

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  26. Appelbaum isn’t stupid, but the apfel/apple ain’t falling far from the baum/tree here.

    Yoni Appleseed, salute! A Current Year John Chapman/Johnny Appleseed, of a sort (I edited this).

    He writes about a tectonic shift. In plate tectonics, isn’t it all about plate convergence, subduction and divergence? So yeah, stuff’s heating up. A larger, incoming population overwhelms an existing population, creating friction.

    In geology, that’s how we get volcanoes and s**t.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  27. The ADL needs to list american jewry as a hate group. NOBODY does more to foment anti semitism in this country.

    • Agree: schnellandine
  28. @Anon

    “Though, perhaps Applebaum’s circumvention of the more politically cogent term nation is telling here.”

    For a moment I thought you had written “Applebaum’s circumcision”, which would probably have worked just as well.

  29. newrouter says:
    @Kaganovitch

    >It’s a diminutive of the Hebrew ‘Yonah’, Jonah in English<

    Sounds ghetto. Maybe a "Magic Jew"? Yonivarious.

  30. Another Greatest Ally(TM) just looking out for the goyim!

  31. The following, which is culled from the Applebaum piece in The Atlantic, jumped off the screen:

    “The GOP’s efforts to cling to power by coercion instead of persuasion have illuminated the perils of defining a political party in a pluralistic democracy around a common heritage, RATHER THAN AROUND VALUES OR IDEALS” (emphasis mine).

    Whose values? Whose ideals? How can “a” political party be defined by possibly conflicting “values” or “ideals” without becoming utterly incoherent? Applebaum seems to assume, with the likes of Ruy Teixera etal, that somehow the Democrat Party will be able to pull it off. Good luck with that.

    The only alternative would be a multi-party system, in which each party would embrace those values or ideals which would be held in common by its members. A nation of diverse political parties (including the two main parities) may be an idea whose time has come. How that would play out on the national stage is anyone’s guess.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    , @ben tillman
  32. anon[178] • Disclaimer says:

    (((Yoni Applebaum)))

    Every. Single. Time? Every. Single. Time.

    Cue Lot and Jack D. to explain “not ALL!” which is true, then fast hands to “not EVERY time” which is…arguable.

    • Replies: @SFG
  33. Anonymous[360] • Disclaimer says:
    @Moses

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  34. Anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @Prester John

    Such bullshit.

    My experience as an Irish kid was quite the opposite. Italian and Jewish neighbors constantly manipulating. Their more Trade and Barter cultures don’t ask before taking or expect fairness like Northern European high-trust cultures.

    And the Irish have Catholic guilt as a layer on top of Irish guilt.

  35. Thomas says:
    @Prester John

    Whose values? Whose ideals? How can “a” political party be defined by possibly conflicting “values” or “ideals” without becoming utterly incoherent? Applebaum seems to assume, with the likes of Ruy Teixera etal, that somehow the Democrat Party will be able to pull it off. Good luck with that.

    Steve has pretty comprehensively demonstrated how the only “ideal” the Democratic party much stands for today is concentric hatred of anything white, male, Christian, heterosexual, “cisgendered,” etc. (core vs. fringes, what he calls “KKKrazyglue”).

    People may be starting to notice. https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/whats-the-matter-with-conservatives-yoni-appelbaum-republicans/

  36. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:

    End the GOP. It is doomed.

    All white Republicans join the Democrats. Turn US into a one-party state.

    All Goyim join together against the elites who have everything. All whites chant ‘We are all Palestinians’ and ‘Palestine is our closest ally’. Use socialism to suck Big globo-homo capital dry. Bring down Jewish Power.

    Then let history really begin.

    There is no other way.

  37. I can see why the Atlantic has disabled comments. If he had written this on a website with a comments section many people’s reaction would have been along the lines of, “Am I going crazy, or is this guy a con man, or retarded, or both?” A quick scroll to the comments section lets you realize that no you are not crazy. A site without a comments section, you never really know. Although I guess with an article like this you can at least be pretty sure.

    Really, you can’t consider yourself a serious author/thinker if you don’t allow a comments section. In fact if a vibrant comments section doesn’t grow organically around your work you’re pretty much a nobody.

    The handful of readers who screech incoherent thoughts in ALL CAPS are always the stated reason for banning the comments section, but of course this is baloney. In reality the authors don’t want to have their arguments anonymously picked apart by very smart people sitting at home in their underwear after work. I mean look at the smart set in University–they don’t go into journalism. But journalists used to have cover because they held the megaphone. But now they’re back in class getting shown up by the smart kids again. It’s gotta hurt.

    • Replies: @Hail
  38. @Prester John

    Irish NY kids loved to beat up Jewish kid and probably others. When I was young I was telling my doctor (Jewish New York) about my St. Patrick’s day adventure. He went into a tirade about the Irish who used to beat him and his friends up when they passed the parochial school. I was pretty shocked since I had a lot of Irish friends (who were from the midwest). A few years later I moved to Boston and drank at an Irish dive bar. Those Irish were a little bit more boisterous than my friends in Chicago.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Reg Cæsar
  39. bjondo says:
    @Prester John

    …he was beaten up by several Irish kids…

    A lie by a prolific liar.

    https://shameproject.com/shame-blog/shame-releases-profile-jeffrey-goldberg-prison-camp-guard-war-booster-israeli-apartheid-apologist/

    Is Yoni balony male, female, on the way to some thing?

  40. Whiskey says: • Website

    The outcome as about 95% of White males are turned out to low status manual labor is likely to be let a million Breiviks bloom. We’ve already seen signs of that. The worst thing to be in the West is a White male with no family pull. Which is most White men.

    White men can’t convert to Islam as Muslims being non White don’t want them … Just White women. They can’t pass for Black. Some will pass as Hispanic. Most won’t.

    A daily drip drip drip of both sabotage … No power communication etc and Charlie Hebdo style violence is inevitable. There will be an effort to solve finally the White man problem. It is likely to some what fail. Lighting off a Rwandan situation. It’s clear to see. The trains are warming up. Bill Ayers spoke of this year’s ago.

  41. @Larry, San Francisco

    Chicago Irish are less troublesome than Boston Irish.

  42. Thomas says:

    Three weeks ago, The Atlantic was trying to rehabilitate Mitt Romney, (before the lede got swallowed by the Pierre Delecto silliness), the obvious figurehead for this strategy to get the Republicans to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Money quote: “‘We have to get young people and Hispanics and African Americans to vote Republican,’ he said, adding that he hopes these voters will see his resistance to Trump as a sign that one day they could find a home in the GOP.” (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/10/mitt-romney-middle-impeachment-fight/600373/)

    Applebaum’s intended audience is Republican Senators too senile to have assimilated any ideas newer than 2013, and who will soon be sitting in an impeachment trial.

  43. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.worldcat.org/title/conservative-votes-liberal-victories-why-the-right-has-failed/oclc/1602032

    Buchanan wrote a book called CONSERVATIVE VOTES, LIBERAL VICTORIES.

    In our time, a topic hardly discussed is NON-WHITE VOTES, GLOBO-HOMO VICTORIES.

    Even though it’s a myth that non-whites are staunch ‘natural conservatives’, they are by-and-large considerably more conservative on social and cultural issues than Jews, homos, and white libby-dibs. As the US turns browner and brown votes prove to be more decisive, are brown votes turning into brown victories or globo-homo-shlomo victories?

    Just like all those white conservative votes only led to GOP globo-cucks pushing more ‘free trade’ and mass-immigration(and doing damn little for Middle White America), it seems all those brown votes only lead to more globo-homo, more gentrification, and more goodies for the upper 10%, esp the top 1%.

    Blacks, Muslims, Mexicans, and Asians don’t care for More Wars for Israel or for sending tons of money to Israel. But when they vote for Democrats, what they end up with is What-Jews-Want. And recently, it’s been said 60% of blacks feel homo behavior is always wrong, but their black prez pushed globo-homo harder than any president. Black Votes, Globo-Homo Victories.

    The only reason browns vote for Democrats is (1) more immigration for their kind (2) slightly more government freebies and/or (3) hostility toward whites fanned by Jewish elites.
    But they only get to vote for whore candidates vetted by the oligarchs, and in the end, the elected officials carry out the agenda of the 1%, not what the browns want. Globo-homo elites pander to browns but keep the crown for themselves. So basically what we have is Brown Votes, Jewish Victories. Browns are really just tools. The message must go out that browns end up voting for what amounts to agendas that are controlled by Jews. Of course, to hide this truth from browns, Jews cooked up this massive hysteria about ‘white privilege’. Thus, browns think they are voting against ‘white privilege’ when they are being duped into voting for cuck-whores who serve Jewish mega-privilege.

  44. Anon[293] • Disclaimer says:
    @Moses

    I stopped at “Yoni”

    • LOL: ben tillman
  45. Yoni is definitely a name an assimilated person named “Paul” names his son. He must be 150% loyally only to one country. He would never put the goals of his ethnicity or religion before the country of his birth.

    • Replies: @Altai
  46. syonredux says:

    Outright political violence remains considerably rarer than in other periods of partisan divide, including the late 1960s. But overheated rhetoric has helped radicalize some individuals. Cesar Sayoc, who was arrested for targeting multiple prominent Democrats with pipe bombs, was an avid Fox News watcher; in court filings, his lawyers said he took inspiration from Trump’s white-supremacist rhetoric.

    Oops. Almost wrote “racist rhetoric.” But that’s old school. Too easy for the un-WOKE to use verbal judo and talk about anti-White racism. White Supremacy’s the golden ticket….Reminds people that the enemy is YT…..

    “It is impossible,” they wrote, “to separate the political climate and [Sayoc’s] mental illness.” James Hodgkinson, who shot at Republican lawmakers (and badly wounded Representative Steve Scalise) at a baseball practice, was a member of the Facebook groups Terminate the Republican Party and The Road to Hell Is Paved With Republicans. In other instances, political protests have turned violent, most notably in Charlottesville, Virginia, where a Unite the Right rally led to the murder of a young woman. In Portland, Oregon, and elsewhere, the left-wing “antifa” movement has clashed with police. The violence of extremist groups provides ammunition to ideologues seeking to stoke fear of the other side.

    Look, ya gotta make an effort to at least appear fair……

    But the biggest driver might be demographic change. The United States is undergoing a transition perhaps no rich and stable democracy has ever experienced: Its historically dominant group is on its way to becoming a political minority—and its minority groups are asserting their co-equal rights and interests. If there are precedents for such a transition, they lie here in the United States, where white Englishmen

    Of course, I have to say that the Englishman were White. Don’t wanna offend the hundreds of thousands of Black Englishmen who were living and working in 17th century England….

    Within the living memory of most Americans, a majority of the country’s residents were white Christians.

    Just thinking about those days makes me nauseous…..

    But more epochal than the change that has already happened is the change that is yet to come: Sometime in the next quarter century or so, depending on immigration rates and the vagaries of ethnic and racial identification, nonwhites will become a majority in the U.S. For some Americans, that change will be cause for celebration;

    …….Gotta…Restrain….The …Urge….To….Gloat…..

    But now many conservatives, surveying demographic trends, have concluded that Teixeira wasn’t wrong—merely premature. They can see the GOP’s sinking fortunes among younger voters, and feel the culture turning against them, condemning them today for views that were commonplace only yesterday. They are losing faith that they can win elections in the future. With this comes dark possibilities.

    “Dark possibilities”….Should I leave that in? I mean, doesn’t that kind of language reinforce tropes about dark=evil…..

    The history of the United States is rich with examples of once-dominant groups adjusting to the rise of formerly marginalized populations—sometimes gracefully, more often bitterly, and occasionally violently. Partisan coalitions in the United States are constantly reshuffling, realigning along new axes. Once-rigid boundaries of faith, ethnicity, and class often prove malleable.

    Of course, race is the one constant, the boundary that never weakens…..

    . A conservatism defined by ideas can hold its own against progressivism, winning converts to its principles and evolving with each generation.

    So, uh, yeah, just stick to cutting taxes on the rich and spending big on the military and everything will be hunky-dory….

    A conservatism defined by identity reduces the complex calculus of politics to a simple arithmetic question—and at some point, the numbers no longer add up.

    In contrast, a Leftism defined by identity is the way to win, baby! Of course, ya gotta make sure that all the groups on your side base their identities on hating YT…..

    When a group that has traditionally exercised power comes to believe that its eclipse is inevitable, and that the destruction of all it holds dear will follow, it will fight to preserve what it has—whatever the cost.

    That’s why we gotta make sure that the GOP sticks to being all about low taxes and a big military.

    That conservatives—despite currently holding the White House, the Senate, and many state governments—are losing faith in their ability to win elections in the future bodes ill for the smooth functioning of American democracy. That they believe these electoral losses would lead to their destruction is even more worrying.

    I mean, yeah, sure, it will lead to their destruction…..but we can’t let them know that…

    In his recent study of the emergence of democracy in Western Europe, the political scientist Daniel Ziblatt zeroes in on a decisive factor distinguishing the states that achieved democratic stability from those that fell prey to authoritarian impulses: The key variable was not the strength or character of the political left, or of the forces pushing for greater democratization, so much as the viability of the center-right. A strong center-right party could wall off more extreme right-wing movements, shutting out the radicals who attacked the political system itself.

    Look, I hate the GOP as much as the next Leftist Jew, but it serves a purpose. Somebody’s gotta keep those right-wing nutters in check….

    The left is by no means immune to authoritarian impulses; some of the worst excesses of the 20th century were carried out by totalitarian left-wing regimes. But right-wing parties are typically composed of people who have enjoyed power and status within a society. They might include disproportionate numbers of leaders—business magnates, military officers, judges, governors—upon whose loyalty and support the government depends. If groups that traditionally have enjoyed privileged positions see a future for themselves in a more democratic society, Ziblatt finds, they will accede to it. But if “conservative forces believe that electoral politics will permanently exclude them from government, they are more likely to reject democracy outright.”

    Should I leave that in? I mean, somebody might notice that the deep state is actually anti-Trump….

    Ziblatt points to Germany in the 1930s, the most catastrophic collapse of a democracy in the 20th century, as evidence that the fate of democracy lies in the hands of conservatives. Where the center-right flourishes, it can defend the interests of its adherents, starving more radical movements of support. In Germany, where center-right parties faltered, “not their strength, but rather their weakness” became the driving force behind democracy’s collapse.

    Do I have to spell it out for ya! A tame GOP is all that stands between us and Hitler!

    Of course, the most catastrophic collapse of a democracy in the 19th century took place right here in the United States, sparked by the anxieties of white voters who feared the decline of their own power within a diversifying nation.

    Wait, am I actually implying that the Civil War was about immigration from Ireland and Germany? Gotta tread lightly…..Can’t risk being accused of decentering the enslaved status of people with Black Bodies….Maybe I should call TNC? He can’t still be upset about that St Augustine joke that I made last week…

    The slaveholding South exercised disproportionate political power in the early republic. America’s first dozen presidents—excepting only those named Adams—were slaveholders. Twelve of the first 16 secretaries of state came from slave states. The South initially dominated Congress as well, buoyed by its ability to count three-fifths of the enslaved persons held as property for the purposes of apportionment.

    Whoah….Am I actually trying to say that slavery and restricting immigration are morally equal? I’ve gotta get TNC’s OK on this one….

    In a scene more Sergio Leone than Frank Capra, other representatives—at least four of them with guns of their own—rushed to either side, in a tense standoff. By the late 1850s, the threat of violence was so pervasive that members regularly entered the House armed.

    Is that comparison anti-Italian? Pro-Italian? Who knows?

    With the House tipping against them, Southern politicians focused on the Senate, insisting that the admission of any free states be balanced by new slave states, to preserve their control of the chamber. They looked to the Supreme Court—which by the 1850s had a five-justice majority from slaveholding states—to safeguard their power. And, fatefully, they struck back at the power of Northerners to set the rules of their own communities, launching a frontal assault on states’ rights.

    Not really the best analogy…I mean, us Leftists are pretty fond of the power of the judicial branch….

    Instead of reposing faith in electoral democracy to protect their way of life, they used the coercive power of the federal government to compel the North to support the institution of slavery, insisting that anyone providing sanctuary to slaves, even in free states, be punished: The Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 required Northern law-enforcement officials to arrest those who escaped from Southern plantations, and imposed penalties on citizens who gave them shelter.

    That’s right, people. Trump’s immigration laws are just like the Fugitive Slave Act….Because Mexico is…like…the …antebellum South? Maybe I need to work on this some more…

    The GOP’s efforts to cling to power by coercion instead of persuasion have illuminated the perils of defining a political party in a pluralistic democracy around a common heritage, rather than around values or ideals.

    Well, unless that ideal/value is “I hate YT.”

    The right, and the country, can come back from this. Our history is rife with influential groups that, after discarding their commitment to democratic principles in an attempt to retain their grasp on power, lost their fight and then discovered they could thrive in the political order they had so feared. The Federalists passed the Alien and Sedition Acts, criminalizing criticism of their administration;

    The Federalists are still around, right?

    Redemption-era Democrats stripped black voters of the franchise;

    That’s better. I know for a fact that the Dems are still around…

    and Progressive Republicans wrested municipal governance away from immigrant voters.

    Look, I’m hip. Everybody knows that those so-called “progressive” Repubs were just elitist WASP bastards who just didn’t understand how things were done in the Old Country. I mean, really, what’s so bad about civic corruption?

    The years around the First World War offer another example. A flood of immigrants, particularly from Eastern and Southern Europe, left many white Protestants feeling threatened. In rapid succession, the nation instituted Prohibition, in part to regulate the social habits of these new populations; staged the Palmer Raids, which rounded up thousands of political radicals and deported hundreds; saw the revival of the Ku Klux Klan as a national organization with millions of members, including tens of thousands who marched openly through Washington, D.C.; and passed new immigration laws, slamming shut the doors to the United States.

    Lousy WASPs, you’re gonna get what’s coming to ya!

    Whether the American political system today can endure without fracturing further, Daniel Ziblatt’s research suggests, may depend on the choices the center-right now makes. If the center-right decides to accept some electoral defeats and then seeks to gain adherents via argumentation and attraction

    I’m telling ya, Blacks and Latinx are natural conservatives. Trust me. Would I lie to you?

    and, crucially, eschews making racial heritage its organizing principle

    That’s a loser, a real lemon. Again, you can trust me.

    The Republican Party faced a choice between these two competing visions in the last presidential election. The post-2012 report defined the GOP ideologically, urging its leaders to reach out to new groups, emphasize the values they had in common, and rebuild the party into an organization capable of winning a majority of the votes in a presidential race.

    You know, common values like how much they hate White cis-het Christians….

    When Trump’s presidency comes to its end, the Republican Party will confront the same choice it faced before his rise, only even more urgently. In 2013, the party’s leaders saw the path that lay before them clearly, and urged Republicans to reach out to voters of diverse backgrounds whose own values matched the “ideals, philosophy and principles” of the GOP. Trumpism deprioritizes conservative ideas and principles in favor of ethno-nationalism.

    What? Ya mean that ethno-nationalism is a conservative principle? Dammit!

    The conservative strands of America’s political heritage—a bias in favor of continuity, a love for traditions and institutions, a healthy skepticism of sharp departures—provide the nation with a requisite ballast.

    Just don’t connect the dots and start thinking about continuity of race….And make damn sure that you don’t notice that making the USA majority non-European is a pretty big departure…

    By accepting these immigrants, and inviting them to subscribe to the country’s founding ideals, American elites avoided displacement.

    Look, White elites are gonna be OK. It’s only the lower tier Whites who are gonna have to face the consequences….

    When the United States came into being, most Americans were white, Protestant, and English. But the ineradicable difference between a Welshman and a Scot soon became all but undetectable.

    We’re talking a huge racial gulf:

    Whiteness itself proved elastic, first excluding Jews and Italians and Irish, and then stretching to encompass them.

    I mean, we all know how Jews were a despised underclass in the South….And the Irish weren’t allowed to marry WASPs until JFK became president…

    If America’s white Christian majority is gone, then some new majority is already emerging to take its place—some new, more capacious way of understanding what it is to belong to the American mainstream.

    You know, one that’s based on hating YT….

    The United States possesses a strong radical tradition, but its most successful social movements have generally adopted the language of conservatism, framing their calls for change as an expression of America’s founding ideals rather than as a rejection of them.

    Whatta mean, the 1790 Naturalization Act limited citizenship to “free white person[s] … of good character”? Goddammit!

    Even today, large numbers of conservatives retain the courage of their convictions, believing they can win new adherents to their cause. They have not despaired of prevailing at the polls and they are not prepared to abandon moral suasion in favor of coercion; they are fighting to recover their party from a president whose success was built on convincing voters that the country is slipping away from them.

    Sure, those people are idiots, but they are useful idiots.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @bomag
    , @Dtbb
  47. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Moses

    I wonder if he also advocates in favor of a massive increase in multiculturalism (specifically religious diversity) in Israel.

  48. @prosa123

    I don’t know, there was a guy on the Sopranos named ‘Big Yoni.’

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  49. @Larry, San Francisco

    How much of intellectual debate today is between Jews who resented Irish bullying on the playground and Irish who resented Jewish bullying in the classroom?

    • Replies: @Alden
  50. @Altai

    I’ve actually seen this argument in quite a few places, that by restricting immigration, even illegal immigration, even when immigration is unpopular and has always been unpopular, that one is engaged in ethnic cleansing by not allowing the ethnic cleansing of old stock Americans through the artificial means of immigration.

    Any argument based on a premise that aggression is good and self-defense is wrong is not much of an argument.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @Hail
  51. @Altai

    I’ve actually seen this argument in quite a few places, that by restricting immigration, even illegal immigration, even when immigration is unpopular and has always been unpopular, that one is engaged in ethnic cleansing by not allowing the ethnic cleansing of old stock Americans through the artificial means of immigration.

    Any argument based on a premise that aggression is good and self-defense is wrong is not much of an argument.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  52. nebulafox says:
    @Anonymous

    I expect little from Kushner, but corruption and nepotism is always preferable to the true-believer fanaticism that Bolton brought to the table.

  53. @Prester John

    The GOP’s efforts to cling to power by coercion instead of persuasion have illuminated the perils of defining a political party in a pluralistic democracy around a common heritage, RATHER THAN AROUND VALUES OR IDEALS

    “Pluralistic democracy” is an oxymoron. And the “values” and “ideals” of non-whites in this country generally consist of taking as much as possible from white possible. The only “value” that any sane white person can espouse is that of self-preservation.

    • Agree: Dtbb, Gaius Gracchus
  54. @Buzz Mohawk

    (In the voice of Pontius Pilate in Monty Python’s Life of Brian):

    “He has a sister, you know. Her name is Lingam. Lingam Maxima.”

  55. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @nsa

    A subset of high end call girls and “adult stage entertainers” have long been renowned for being able to do various things with their lady parts. As with sword swallowers, there is a formal but somewhat underground training regimen in use for the purpose, the “jade egg” being one having went somewhat mainstream.

  56. Hail says: • Website
    @kaganovitch

    I believe Gustav II Adolph (Sweden’s greatest king; luckily for him usually anglicized as Gustavus Adolphus) came in to help out the struggling Protestant powers, who couldn’t seem to get their act together, including Denmark.

    Denmark’s showing in the 1620s was not impressive. The Swedish king-and-field-general’s was among the very most impressive in the entire century. So the Danes and others across north-central Europe welcomed his arrival.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Alden
  57. Hail says: • Website
    @SimpleSong

    When did they disable comments?

    Because I learned, above, that Yoni Appelbaum was a prolific, early-2o10s Atlantic comment-section figure, which is how (so their story goes) he came to the editors’ attention and got his job offer. (The job offer must have come in Q3 or Q4 2014.)

    • LOL: bomag
  58. Anon[325] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    Applebum is working on those crazy Adam Schiff eyes. Both he and Schiff seem like they’re off their meds.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  59. Well the Democrats have already set the precedent by refusing to acknowledge Trump’s victory in 2016. They rejected the outcome of an American presidential election, declared that the duly elected president was not really the president, and set about at once with the most absurd lies and impeachment hoaxes imaginable, which have continued non stop, one after another.

    This is historical precedent. Trump supporters, and the GOP in general, have every right to deny the legitimacy of any election or any Democrat going forward. If a Democrat, any one of them, should win in 2020, the election can and must be declared null and void, and the candidate’s alleged victory to be illegitimate and completely without valid substance, and calls for impeachment and immediate new elections must be loud and unrelenting.

    Any reason will do: rampant voter fraud (we’ll need 50 special counsel investigations, one for each state), illegal immigrant voting, massive immigration fraud among allegedly legal immigrants whose votes must be nullified, foreign election interference by Israel, India, China and Mexico (to get preferred immigration policies), Silicon Valley H1B pajeets, Internet political and election censorship enacted en masse by media and tech companies owned and controlled by foreign-born Jews and double-passport Jews of dubious loyalty, and so on. Every and any excuse must be used to declare that the elected Democratic president is not the president, and is in fact the beneficiary of multiple vast international criminal conspiracies.

    Again, this is now established precedent. The Left fired on Fort Sumter. They must reap the whirlwind, not our guys.

    • Agree: Dtbb, Hail
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  60. Altai [AKA "Altai_3"] says:
    @Gaius Gracchus

    It’s more interesting when you learn their mother is of very old stock English, Scottish and Greek ancestry, Mom didn’t even get one of the three kids, not even the daughter and they all keep the fathers surname. It’s like the old joke of the innocent child responding to his friend’s mother asking about his ancestry: “I’m half Jewish and half nothing”.

    • Replies: @Hail
  61. Anonymous[415] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Mindy Kaling, the comedienne, changed her last name from Chokalingam to Kaling, understandably.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  62. @Steve Sailer

    Chicago Irish are less troublesome than Boston Irish.

    That’s why the Boston Irish get all the movies. There is something about Irish Americans who only settled due West of the Motherland.

  63. @Moses

    The Atlantic is nothing more than a Jewish Misinformation Magazine. Whether it’s the Atlantic or Jewish Times of New York they are mentally coming apart. This idiot has a PhD in History (Marxist Brandeis U)…..and he writes this absurd article.

  64. Bill B. says:
    @Dr. X

    in defeat their basic rights will be protected

    Not of course that their basic democratic rights will be or were protected

  65. Bill B. says:
    @Arclight

    It is one of those fundamental facts about human society that it takes a conscious effort not to go with the flow.

    If whites don’t become aware and self-interested they will simply drown, giggling, in the awful future.

    I worked in Hong Kong for almost a decade in the 1980s – before the Brits left. I would have found the idea of a violent physical rejection of China (even as interpreted by the CCP) nigh on impossible to imagine. But a significant proportion of the feisty population have examined the future in their own minds and rejected it. Once you switch you switch.

    • LOL: Mark Miller
    • Replies: @Arclight
  66. utu says:
    @Hail

    Catholic France paid for Swedish involvement on the Protestant side.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  67. Johnny789 says:

    I have no real comment, but to reiterate someone else’s comment, I believe, back when, that since they can’t outsmart Steve, that they are flooding the internet with idiocy trying to overwork him to death with the sheer number of iSteve worthy ideas to post about. Kinda like what happened to Lucy Ricardo at the Candy Factory.

  68. Wilkey says:

    You’ve got to laugh at Democratic concerns over Republican gerrymandering when Democrats are so hellbent on winning that they’re literally willing to overwhelm the country with non-white immigrants in order to win, to the tune of about 4 million new left wing voters every four years. The immigrant tsunami has become so devastating that Democrats are now seriously talking about winning states like Georgia, Arizona, and Texas. And don’t forget all the convicted violent felons they’re trying to get to the polls, too. But god forbid you draw a political district in a manner that slightly favors your own political party…

    • Agree: Gaius Gracchus
  69. @Anon

    Appelbaum

    I stopped at “Yoni”

    “Have you seen my Yoni Yonsson?”


    • Replies: @RouterAl
    , @RouterAl
  70. @Steve Sailer

    I was talking to an old boston friend just ealier this evening he said between being bused to Roxbury (black violence ) and the irish bullies in his own neighborhood (sons of irish immigrants) he believes he developed ptsd.Now hes also irish but weighed 130 pounds soaking wet well into highschool.
    He became extremely violent as a reaction to the bullying but is raising his six kids(only buddy with more than me)as granolas in Texas.But believe us boston irish were something else in 70s 80s and 90s. A fiction book with the title Brighton came out a few years ago and it pretty much nailed the atmosphere of the place as the author also grew up there.Apparently most of his crime fiction takes place in Chicago.

  71. Hail says: • Website
    @Altai

    [Dr. Paul Appelbaum, father of Yoni, is] a natural-born American (I’m not sure on his parents) with a wife [born Diana Muir Karter] with natural-born parents (And on her mothers side deep old stock)

    The wife’s conversion to Judaism, presumably at or around their 1974 wedding, might negate much of this, in identity terms.

    they have three adult children, Binyamin Appelbaum; Yoni Appelbaum; and Avigail Appelbaum[15] and belong to Congregation Ramath Orah in Manhattan

    I also see that the father, Paul Appelbaum, was a 1976 MD from Harvard and was at Harvard again for a few years as a “Clinical Fellow in Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School,” which all again suggests a quasi-nepotistic tie-in with son Yoni.

    Yoni not only followed his parents to Columbia, but also later got a job at Harvard, at which his father had spent most of the period 1972 to 1980 except for a sojourn in Israel.

    (Note: Despite Yoni decided to walk away from his cushy Harvard position despite it tenure track; the allure of become a full-time media person and opinion-shaper).

    Yoni’s dad Paul Appelbaum spent some or all of 1976 and 1977 working in “Soroka Hospital, Beersheva, Israel,” and made the news more recently for a lecture series he gave titled “Jewish Genes: What Does Genetics Tell Us about Our Identity?” (e.g., in Nov. 2010, hosted by the Chabad Center of Bingahmton, New York).

    • Replies: @David
  72. Anonymous[116] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘Yoni’ by name.
    A ‘Yoni’ by nature.

  73. Also off topic,since the commitee came out with its college football rankings tonight , if youd prefer rankings that are:objective,incorruptable and eternal http://www.lawrencepoints.com
    Ohio st
    Lsu
    Clemson
    Minnesota

  74. Alden says:
    @Arclight

    Whites didn’t rebel when Jewish money and Jewish attorneys convinced the Satanic Supreme Court to send millions of White children to school with black thugs.

    Whites didn’t rebel when we were driven out of America’s great cities by black terrorists and their Jewish enablers

    Whites didn’t rebel when congress and the Supreme Court created affirmative action.

    Whites have been acquiescent to our own destruction since 1956, Brown vs Topeka. We are defeated.
    There are things we could have done. But we didn’t

    • Replies: @Henry Bowman
  75. @Achmed E. Newman

    Great song, they’re really rolling!

    And the moral of this story is: It’s the immigration, stupid!

    Right – or right?

  76. Alden says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Irish and jews don’t go to the same schools until college. Irish go to superior private schools. Jews go to public schools.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @Hibernian
  77. Alden says:
    @Hail

    The Swedes came to help but stayed to loot and massacre

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    , @kaganovitch
  78. Hail says: • Website
    @Hail

    Below is an extension of the biographical sketch for Yoni Appelbaum, and partly a follow-up on a point made by Altai_3, above:

    As a natural-born American (I’m not sure on his parents) with a wife with natural-born parents (And on her mothers side deep old stock)

    The grandparents of Yoni, Binyamin, and Avigail Appelbaum are:

    (1.) “A letter carrier” living in Canarsie, Brooklyn, New York in the mid-20th century, surname Appelbaum; Jewish;

    (2.) “A school teacher” living in Canarsie, Brooklyn, New York in the mid-20th century, maiden name unknown; presumably Jewish;

    (On these ancestral origins in Canarsie — Others reading this will know much more than I, but from what I see, this neighborhood flipped dramatically, from an established Italian and Jewish majority (by ca. 1930 to 1980s?) and a negligible Black population, to 80% Black, 5% White by the 2000s.)

    (3.) Peter Karter, nuclear engineer
    – b.1922, Chicago; d.2010;
    – Greek family origin;
    – spent many/most [?] summers in Greece from mid 1920s to the end of the 1930s;
    – graduated high school ca. 1940 in the Bronx, followed by WWII service;
    – Episcopal churchgoer throughout adult life (presumably via wife).

    (4.) Elizabeth Carmen Whitman
    – b. 1923, New Britain, Connecticut, to parents Roger and Jean Whitman;
    – Raised in New Britain, Conn.;
    – Her father, Roger, was listed by as of April 1930 as a Superintendent at American Hosiery, and by 1940 was President of the same company (census);
    – grandparents all US-born [NY, NJ, and MA] (likely in 1860s/70s);
    – Episcopalian.
    – d.2004 and buried in prestigious Old Lyme, Connecticut;

    _______________

    Yoni’s wife, Emily Pressman, is from a very Jewish family with ties to NY and Chicago.

    This make’s Yoni’s children (reportedly two, as of now, with wife approaching age 40) 3/4ths Jewish by ancestry (and 1/8th Greek, 1/8th WASP) — but probably 90% to 100% Jewish by identity, given the strong Jewish identity of their parents and grandparents, and given that they have no active Christian ancestors more recent than of the great-grandparent generation whom the children will have never known, and even then only two of eight (i.e., Peter Karter and Elizabeth Whitman) .

  79. @J.Ross

    Right, he is not so much about ideas, then about feelings. He should talk about Robert Putnam, Jonathan Haidt, even Charles Murray, John Stewart Mill (not to mention – ok I don’t mntion him, sigh) – but he just does not. The coalition of the fringes is this neglection of reason and decent science in the public realm, which mindset is prototypically impersonated by – Ta-Nehishi Coates and Applebaum…

  80. syonredux says:
    @Alden

    Irish and jews don’t go to the same schools until college. Irish go to superior private schools. Jews go to public schools.

    Do Jews still attend public schools? All the Jews that I knew growing up went to private schools. And, to the best of my knowledge, all of the Jews that I knew in college and graduate school attended private high schools.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Jack D
  81. @J.Ross

    The kid fellated the guy but this, he said, was clearly not his fault, because she had done so before. The girl is six years old.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  82. syonredux says:
    @Prester John

    The degeneration of the Atlantic into an uber-WOKE rag is quite depressing. This is the magazine that published Mark Twain, Henry James, Edith Wharton, the memoirs of George F Kennan, Vannevar Bush’s classic essay “As We May Think, ” etc.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  83. @prosa123

    It could be a nickname for Yonatan, from which the English name Jonathan comes. Hence, equivalent to “Jonny.”

  84. RouterAl says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    That was supposed to be an MP3 clip of this:

  85. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    I’d think a comedienne would want a funny name.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  86. @Achmed E. Newman

    Steely Dan’s best album. Very unfortunately, Donald Fagen let his then-girlfriend do the cover art.

  87. @The Anti-Gnostic

    The chutzpah of these Ellis Island-Americans, telling us how to run our country.

    It really is amazing, isn’t it? I appear to have an Ellis Island surname (although my great-great-great-grandfather, Dr. James Garwood O’Keeffe, actually set sail from Cork to Richmond, Virginia in 1847), although much of my ancestry never-the-less derives from American settler stock. My paternal grandmother was descended from people involved with the founding of the Royal Colony of Maryland, and yet these guys who just showed up from Minsk in 1928 are ready to tell me what’s what. These back-benchers need to sit the Hell down.

    • Agree: Gaius Gracchus
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  88. @RouterAl

    Who is “RouterAl”? Or “RouterAI”? How did I get sockpuppeted?

  89. “A conservatism defined by ideas can hold its own against progressivism, winning converts to its principles and evolving with each generation. A conservatism defined by identity reduces the complex calculus of politics to a simple arithmetic question—and at some point, the numbers no longer add up.”

    Whatever else is subsumed in incorrect garb . . .

    The above is the correct posture and should have been the posture period. Relying on superficial poses works until the superficial is no longer available or simply gives way as the veneer is challenged by substance, even substance rotten to the core. looking nice is all well and good. Nothing in itself wrong with it. But eventually we gravitate to substance.

    • Replies: @neutral
    , @Mr. Anon
  90. @Altai

    one is engaged in ethnic cleansing by not allowing the ethnic cleansing of old stock Americans through the artificial means of immigration.

    Pretty much the essence of it. If you object to our ‘ethnic cleansing’ of you and yours, well then you’re nothing but a racist nazi. Our ‘ethnic cleansing’ is virtuous because it gets rid of you before you can think of engaging in any of your own, because surely that’s what you’d do, right?

    Projection, of a deadly kind. Of a genocidal kind.

  91. @BenKenobi

    Who won–I forget. The Demopublicans or the Republicrats?

  92. @Hail

    ” it’s possible to find someone like him in a comments section online.”
    Not at Unz, one hopes.

    • Replies: @Hail
  93. @Alden

    The Swedes came to help but stayed to loot and massacre

    The retreat, von Clausewitz said, is the highest form of military action.

    The Swedes learned a lesson though – and stayed more and more at home afterward.

  94. @Prester John

    Even at its best, the Atlantic was middlebrow, with aspirations,

    • Replies: @Prester John
  95. @Alden

    Well, these new “Swedes” come to loot and massacre from the first.

  96. @Kibernetika

    Tectonic shifts are how we get earthquakes.
    As David Cole has pointed out, people like Yoni are going to find out they’re considered white by the immigrants, no matter how much they deny it.

    • Replies: @Kibernetika
  97. @Dave Pinsen

    I’d think a comedienne would want a funny name.

    Yeah, but that wouldn’t go with the rest of Mindy’s act.

  98. Anonymous[330] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m tempted to change my name to Lingam Peartree.

    • Agree: Mark Miller
  99. @Altai

    Yet when Donald Trump (…) is concerned, they lose their marbles completely and go hard into TDS.

    Interesting comment. So Trump seems to be the watershed between ruse and reason in our tribal days; sounds funny at first sight, but might well be true nonetheless.
    .

    .

    .

    May the Lord in the heavens above help us all.

  100. @ben tillman

    Any argument based on a premise that aggression is good and self-defense is wrong is not much of an argument.

    What astonishes me, again and again, is that your quite sound argument does not work for people like Applebaum. 
    -Thing is: your argument clearly does make sense for Benjamin Netanjahu. So – what is the crucial difference between the mindset of Yoni Applebaum and Benjamin Netanjahu?

    • Replies: @Menschmaschine
  101. Hail says: • Website
    @Bill Jones

    If he’s a comment-section reader, he might be reading this right now.

    Yoni. Or should I say, Mr. Appelbaum. Or Mr. Appelbaxm. Sorry, sorry, Dr. Appelbaxm (credit where it is due to that Brandeis PhD) — You’re really making the wrong move here with this drive to swamp us with unlimited numbers of migrants. You probably think by so doing you are crushing your enemies. But know, it’s bad for your people, too.

    This doesn’t end well for any of us.

    Have some dignity. Let us live in peace.

    • Agree: Dissident
  102. All the articles like this (and most of the commentary on them) don’t take into consideration that there’s a good possibility there soon will be no Democrat party to vote for. Trump is destroying the party. In fact, Trump is also destroying the Republican party.

    All these articles seem to believe that white people vote Republican and all minorities vote Democrat. But they don’t. Obama was elected by white people.

    All this strategizing and peanut gallery 2nd guessing.

    What if candidates make sense to a lot of people? Of all races. Only morons vote by race. Only morons vote based on stupid nonsense like Drag Queen Story Hour.

    There is a change happening, a huge tsunami forming.

    Articles like this are just misguided moronic trash. It assumes things with political parties will remain the same and only leaving borders wide open or closing them tightly will save or kill the yadda yedda yadda…..

    Something new is coming. Until it’s clearer, ignore this nonsense written by the permanently (((misguided))).

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  103. @Dieter Kief

    Israel is of course the very embodiment of aggression, founded upon the brutal suppression and ethnical cleansing of the original population of the land they occupy. So why do you make a distinction between Netanjahu and Applebaum? Their mindsets are perfectly in tune.

  104. neutral says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    A conservatism defined by ideas can hold its own against progressivism, winning converts to its principles and evolving with each generation.

    Evolving meaning accepting absolutely every progressive idea as conservative.

  105. Thea says:

    Dear Hispanics,
    You’re next once we finish with these whites.

    Love
    The Chosen

  106. Mr. Anon says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    “A conservatism defined by ideas can hold its own against progressivism, winning converts to its principles and evolving with each generation…………”</blockquote

    A conservatism defined by ideas that evolve every generation isn't conservatism.

  107. Mr. Anon says:

    The Atlantic should be renamed The Levantine.

    • LOL: Cortes
  108. Mr. Anon says:
    @Kaganovitch

    It’s a diminutive of the Hebrew ‘Yonah’, Jonah in English

    In his case, it still just means “Dick”.

    • LOL: kaganovitch
  109. David says:
    @Hail

    Diana Muir’s book, Reflections in Bullough’s Pond, is really good. It’s like Cronan’s Changes in the Land except it brings New England environmental history up to modern times, not stopping at the industrial revolution. I’d say she is a Humanist Environmentalist like Freeman Dyson. She does evince a certain Foucault-like inclination to blur distinctions indicative of the company she keeps.

  110. Arclight says:
    @Bill B.

    I think it’s inevitable if the left has a extended run of power where they impose “equity” in schools, employment, government, etc. Whites in the US have not been kicked around, so they don’t have the political unity of blacks or Jews, but give it 20-30 years where every white person, a friend, or family member has had multiple negative experiences with being disadvantaged as a matter of policy, and it will be like a switch was flipped. By that time it’s likely whites will not be an outright majority any longer, but will still be the largest and wealthiest group, and history has shown time and time again that a determined and unified minority can still steer the ship.

    For all the caterwauling on the left about supposed white identity politics, they haven’t seen anything yet if progressive racial redistributionists end up in charge.

    • Agree: Dtbb, Thea, jim jones
    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @bomag
    , @Jack D
    , @Bill B.
  111. Brutusale says:
    @prosa123

    The Sopranos had a character named Big Pussy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Pussy_Bonpensiero

    Entourage, also on HBO, had a character named Big Yoni, part of an Israeli security group hired to guard the main character. I always thought it was an homage to the older show.

  112. anonymous[102] • Disclaimer says:
    @Arclight

    Mixed race people will be counted as white in the future. There will be a return to the white majority. Almost everyone under 20 in 2100 who is white will have mixed ancestry.

    • Replies: @fnn
  113. bomag says:
    @syonredux

    Most excellent fisking.

    Typical Narrative paint-by-numbers: “both sides might have extremists, but conservatives are always on the verge of becoming slaveholders or Nazis, so they must self-police themselves by adopting Progressivism-lite.”

  114. bomag says:
    @Arclight

    Problem here is that the Left has effectively seized control of the courts and academia, which work in tandem to thwart any change via other political avenues.

    The courts have been kicking YT to the curb for some time now, and I don’t sense much pushback. Even vaunted conservative pick Kavanaugh couldn’t stop gushing about his work with the Other.

    Academia has pretty much become a hate-YT fest, and people dutifully send their kids there; pay the bills, and saddle the future with debt in service to that damage.

  115. If being Pro-Amnesty and open borders won over Immigrants, blacks, and Hispanics, then McCain and Romney would’ve won much more and Trump much less than he did. Instead, All three of them got more or less the same percentage of minorities, Hispanics, and immigrants. Further the Bushes and Dole were both Pro-Amnesty and Pro-immigration. Reagan in 1987, signed the first Amnesty Bill.

    Despite all that, for the last 30 years, Blacks vote D, 85-15, Hispanics, 70-30 and immigrants 65-35. The R’s are like a business that loses money on every sale, but wants to sell even more items.

    • Replies: @notsaying
  116. @Bill Jones

    Yeah. Upon reflection “middlebrow, with aspirations” is probably a more accurate description.

  117. I’ve made the point elsewhere that both sides of the post-Trump realigned political divide have a plausible claim that elections aren’t legitimate to settle disputes.

    On the left side of the divide, they will argue that the distributions of votes to House Districts, the allocation of two Senators by State regardless of population, and distribution of electoral college votes are undemocratic and frustrate the “will of the people” in the form of raw vote totals.

    On the right side of the divide, the “will of the people” is not the will of our people, as the raw vote totals increasingly reflect the product of the oligarchs “electing a new people” by way of rapid, unrestrained mass legal and illegal immigration. The apportionment of House Districts and electoral college votes are skewed to coastal States which have gamed the system by attracting illegal alien foreigners as residents.

  118. Hail says: • Website
    @ben tillman

    self-defense is wrong

    Has anyone proposed to Yoni that we apply the same logic to the Israel?

    “Stop with this Jewish state business, guys. Just let the migrants in.”

    The logic is solid, right?

    He’d be all for it, right?

  119. not acquiescing to the Democrats’ attempts to rig the electorate through the immigration of Democratic-leaning foreigners

    There is not a whole lot of difference between the Democrats and the Republicans, and the vast majority of immigrants have no reason to be Democrat-leaning before they arrive in the US.

    We only have a two party system, unfortunately, so it is the job of both parties to offer legislation that appeals to a majority of voters on a local basis, and then on a statewide basis for presidential elections.

    If immigrants are becoming a swing vote in a particular locality, then it is up to politicians of both parties to craft their platform in such a way as to try to win over voters to their side.

    My wife and I are both (legal) immigrants to the US, and we are not predisposed to vote for one party or the other. We have no objection to the government finding ways of tightening up on illegal immigrants, but we do want one party or the other to massively improve health care financing, and Obamacare is not it. We are still waiting for Trump to repeal and replace, but that does not mean that we will vote for a Democrat next time around until we have heard whether the Republicans can improve on what Warren, Sanders, or Buttigieg are offering.

    If it turns out that the Republicans are offering nothing, well, that means that they don’t see it as electorally important–but they have the right to try that line and see if it works and if they can win without it. If they lose, then they can come back next time with a tweaked platform and see if that is a winner.

  120. @Moses

    America “ended” when our ancestors were insufficiently foresighted to keep out Yoni Applebaum’s ancestors.

    His article is not a terrible analysis of what’s going on. But tonally, it’s the same old Jewish b.s. It assumes the Jewish/middle-man ideology, that Jews–universalized to “people”–are entitled to move and live anywhere they like to exploit any opportunities they like. That we goyim are serfs whose duty it is to sit still and be exploited. That immigration is some sort of natural process like the weather.

    This is, of course, ahistorical and illogical nonsense. People migrating with conquest or defeat is “natural”. And that’s what occurred in early America–white winners taking land from the as Indians were defeated. But immigration–people letting other peoples–in to take over space is no more natural than the birth control pill or Tang. It’s an imposed policy upon Americans–and white gentiles generally.

    And there is nothing remotely “moral” or “ethical” about it. It’s the ideology of the rapist. And no one–most especially the people singing its praises–believe it about any other aspect of life, certainly not about their stuff–their houses, their schools, their country clubs, their bank accounts, their wives. Heck, most of the Jews spewing this stuff don’t believe it applies to Israel. Immigration driven swamping is only natural for *gentile* nations–specifically white gentile nations.

    Of course, Yoni here–yes LOL sniggering–is right about what’s coming. So i don’t see any way forward for white Americans–and for the West generally–unless white gentiles are willing to confront this Jewish b.s. and call it out for the nasty, anti-human, genocidal ideology that it is.

  121. @Dave Pinsen

    It’s a great song, and the Memphis ’74 bootleg version is amazing, but I’m still partial to Deacon Blues.

  122. @syonredux

    It’s a microcosm of the history of this country.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  123. Hail says: • Website
    @Altai

    I’m half Jewish and half nothing

    Yoni’s thoughts exactly.

    Or maybe it’s “I’m half Jewish and you (run-of-the-mill Americans) are nothing.”

    So Yoni will tell us we need diversity to fill the identity gap. There are diversity-Americans and there are nothing-Americans, you see. Why not brighten things up?

  124. @AnotherDad

    BTW, to me it is often easy to tell “who’s right” in disputes simply on the basis of compulsion.

    As a kid i knew the commies were wrong–not just not “my team”, but wrong–because they wouldn’t let their people opt out; they couldn’t vote out the commies and they couldn’t even leave. The commies used force to make the workers stay and work for them. The workers in communist nations were essentially serfs.

    This is the same deal. What the Yoni Applebaums demand is that white gentile nations be enserfed.

    I’m not trying to tell little Yoni how to live. If he wants to live in a “nation of immigrants” multi-culti utopia … great. I’m perfectly willing to let him do that. I’m perfectly willing to cede land from America for him and all the people like him who want that (more specifically who claim to want that) to have their rainbow nation.

    But i want to live in America–the actual nation of actual American people that my ancestors created.

    So … Separate Nations! No compulsion. Win-win.

    But, of course, that’s the rub. Yoni’s desire is not actually to live in a multicultural rainbow nation. Rather the Applebaumesque demand is actually that we white gentiles not be allowed to live in a traditional white, Western nations, but must be a serfs in multicultural states to be managed and controlled by … people like Yoni.

    • Replies: @Mark Miller
    , @Jack D
  125. @Anon

    Applebum is working on those crazy Adam Schiff eyes.

    I was watching a documentary on the Heaven’s Gate cultists.

    They had “the eyes”.

    This is some sort of brainwashing/drug thing–perhaps folks who know more about it could comment.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  126. @AnotherDad

    America “ended” when our ancestors were insufficiently foresighted to keep out Yoni Applebaum’s ancestors.

    America “ended” when our ancestors were insufficiently foresighted to keep out [Michelle Obama’s] ancestors.

    Proofread, free-of-charge.

    At least Michele Bachmann can spell the name properly. Without the diacritic, but this is America.

    Michèle

    Here’s a weird phenomenon– Archangels Gabriel and Raphaël are #1 and 2 among all boys’ names given in France, but not only does Michel not finish in the top 25, he doesn’t even make the top 25 of names of Hebrew derivation.

    https://www.journaldesfemmes.fr/prenoms/francais/origine-39
    https://www.journaldesfemmes.fr/prenoms/hebraique/origine-7

  127. Alden says:
    @Prester John

    Rabbi Kahane and every Jewish activist has his tale of being beaten up by Irish kids who called him a Christ Killer.

    What will Jewish activists claim 150 years from now when they’ve sent every White in America off to the gulag?

    • Replies: @Hail
  128. Thea says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Immigrant is just a euphemism for skin color. If you are of European descent then the left don’t really consider you in the equation. American born Descendants of slaves are entitled to all the so-called immigrant benefits yet whites aren’t regardless of where you were born.

  129. @Altai

    Hey, look at it from the standpoint of the immigrants.

    1. I get imported to the US through various means, or I’m second generation.
    2. My whole society is back in the old country. It’s in bad shape, and can’t help me. I’m cut off.
    3. The native political party that imported me is waning and won’t let me join the US society even if I wanted to, and I don’t much like industrial society anyway
    4. I work for a corporation (or agribusiness), so only have labor but no land or capital, hence cannot work productively if the corporation goes away, and can’t even save because they pay me peanuts.
    5. The locals seem to be getting a mite restless, and the declining party that imported me is making it worse.
    6. The entire system looks a bit rickety, and I’m in an urban area that will kill me within two weeks if major capital systems (electricity, water, food delivery, policing, transportation, etc.) all look a bit shaky and getting more so.
    7. This is changing from encircled grounds to death grounds, using Sun-Tzu’s nomenclature [1] . If we fight, the support system (6.) is going to go, and we lose.
    8. This really isn’t good. The war situation has developed not necessarily to my advantage [2].

    One reaction to this is Sun-Tzu-s recommendation: If you have to fight, fight, because motivated troop can sometimes perform seeming miracles, but remember that you might just lose.

    The other is just to give up.

    Counterinsurgeny

    1] “In difficult ground, press on; In encircled ground, devise stratagems; In death ground, fight.”

    2] Adaptation of the 1945 Hir0hito quote, which was actually pretty well done and worth reading:
    “We declared war on America and Britain out of Our sincere desire to ensure Japan’s self-preservation and the stabilization of East Asia, it being far from Our thought either to infringe upon the sovereignty of other nations or to embark upon territorial aggrandizement.
    But now the war has lasted for nearly four years. Despite the best that has been done by everyone — the gallant fighting of the military and naval forces, the diligence and assiduity of Our servants of the State, and the devoted service of Our one hundred million people — the war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan’s advantage, while the general trends of the world have all turned against her interest.
    Moreover, the enemy has begun to employ a new and most cruel bomb, the power of which to do damage is, indeed, incalculable, taking the toll of many innocent lives. Should We continue to fight, not only would it result in an ultimate collapse and obliteration of the Japanese nation, but also it would lead to the total extinction of human civilization.
    Such being the case, how are We to save the millions of Our subjects, or to atone Ourselves before the hallowed spirits of Our Imperial Ancestors? This is the reason why We have ordered the acceptance of the provisions of the Joint Declaration of the Powers.”
    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hirohito

  130. @nsa

    I thank Steve Sailer’s comment section every day for the erudition that can be found almost nowhere else.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  131. syonredux says:
    @ben tillman

    It’s a microcosm of the history of this country.

    Indeed. For example, just look at a list of The Atlantic’s editors:

    James Russell Lowell, 1857–61
    James Thomas Fields, 1861–71
    William Dean Howells, 1871–81
    Thomas Bailey Aldrich, 1881–90
    Horace Elisha Scudder, 1890–98
    Walter Hines Page, 1898–99
    Bliss Perry, 1899–1909
    Ellery Sedgwick, 1909–38
    Edward A. Weeks, 1938–66
    Robert Manning, 1966–80
    William Whitworth, 1980–99
    Michael Kelly, 1999–2003
    Cullen Murphy, 2003–06 (interim editor, never named editor in chief)
    James Bennet, 2006–16
    Jeffrey Goldberg, 2016–present

    Imagine, going from fellows like James Russell Lowell and William Dean Howells to Jeffrey Goldberg….

    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    Not with a bang but a whimper.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Desiderius
    , @SFG
  132. @AnotherDad

    Peaceful separation – the dog that doesn’t bark.

  133. Hail says: • Website
    @syonredux

    Under which editors’ tenures was the heavy damage done? Which not so much?

    How much power did these editors have personally to do the damage?

    • Replies: @syonredux
  134. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    The Founding Fathers (at least half of them) had no objection to enserfing (actually enslaving) people – they just wanted to be the ones doing the enserfing. America was born in sin. Specifically the sin of avarice and the desire for cheap labor. This sin permanently deprived America of any claim to moral standing. “All men are created equal” was an Orwellian lie coming from Jefferson’s mouth.

    America was NEVER “a traditional white, Western nation”. It was a multiracial society from the very first day. Not only that – it was an own goal. No one forced America to drag Africans across the sea. They were not sneaking into Jamestown. The same thing in the North – our Northern cities were once mainly white and they were paradises compared with what they would become later. Henry Ford could have stuck with that – the laws at the time didn’t require that he hire blacks. But he SOUGHT OUT black labor because it was cheap and in good supply. Nothing has changed in corporate America.

    • Agree: dfordoom, Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @XYZ (no Mr.)
    , @AnotherDad
  135. Corvinus says:
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    “although much of my ancestry never-the-less derives from American settler stock.”

    Much, but not all. So what is this “American settler stock”?

    “My paternal grandmother was descended from people involved with the founding of the Royal Colony of Maryland…”

    So how does this make you a “special white”, as you are implying?

    “and yet these guys who just showed up from Minsk in 1928 are ready to tell me what’s what.”

    Are they not white? Are they not “one of U.S.”?

    “These back-benchers need to sit the Hell down.”

    Do you mean white Europeans from the eastern and southern part? If so, are you not sowing seeds of content amongst our brethren? Didn’t you get the memo–no punching to the white?

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
  136. @Dieter Kief

    Did he at least come from a country with cuisine that can add to that of France?

  137. syonredux says:
    @Hail

    Under which editors’ tenures was the heavy damage done? Which not so much?

    In terms of decline and fall, I’ll go with James Bennett. It was under his tenure that the magazine put Britney Spears on the cover, and he was the guy who pushed TN Coates into the spotlight.

    How much power did these editors have personally to do the damage?

    Always a critical question.And the man behind the curtain during Bennett’s tenure was David G. Bradley:

    In 1980, the magazine was acquired by Mortimer Zuckerman, property magnate and founder of Boston Properties, who became its chairman. On September 27, 1999, Zuckerman transferred ownership of the magazine to David G. Bradley, owner of the National Journal Group, which focused on news of Washington, D.C., and government. Bradley had promised that the magazine would stay in Boston for the foreseeable future, as it did for the next five and a half years.

    In April 2005, however, the publishers announced that the editorial offices would be moved from their longtime home at 77 North Washington Street in Boston to join the company’s advertising and circulation divisions in Washington, D.C.[23] Later in August, Bradley told The New York Observer that the move was not made to save money—near-term savings would be $200,000–$300,000, a relatively small amount that would be swallowed by severance-related spending—but instead would serve to create a hub in Washington where the top minds from all of Bradley’s publications could collaborate under the Atlantic Media Company umbrella. Few of the Boston staff agreed to move, and Bradley embarked on an open search for a new editorial staff.[24]

    So, the move from Boston to Washington was highly important in terms of altering the character of the magazine…..

    In 2006, Bradley hired James Bennet as editor-in-chief; he had been the Jerusalem bureau chief for The New York Times. He also hired writers, including Jeffrey Goldberg and Andrew Sullivan.[25] Jay Lauf joined the organization as publisher and vice-president in 2008; as of 2017, he was publisher and president of Quartz.[26]

    Bradley hired Bennett and Goldberg….

    Bennet and Bob Cohn became co-presidents of The Atlantic in early 2014, and Cohn became the publication’s sole president in March 2016 when Bennet was tapped to lead The New York Times editorial page.[27][28] Jeffrey Goldberg was named editor in chief in October 2016.[29]

    And this is how things stand at present:

    On July 28, 2017, The Atlantic announced that multi-billionaire investor and philanthropist Laurene Powell Jobs (the widow of former Apple Inc. chairman and CEO Steve Jobs) had acquired majority ownership through her Emerson Collective organization, with a staff member of Emerson Collective, Peter Lattman, being immediately named as The Atlantic’s vice chairman. David G. Bradley and Atlantic Media retained a minority share position in this sale.[30]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Atlantic

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @Jack D
  138. Corvinus says:
    @AnotherDad

    “America “ended” when our ancestors were insufficiently foresighted to keep out Yoni Applebaum’s ancestors.”

    LOL, right, it’s always the Jews. Regardless, you need to include Eastern and Southern Europeans as well. Because “true” Americans have to acknowledge this cold hard reality and refer to their inclusion in our body politic as the nasty, anti-human, genocidal ideology that it is. At least, AnotherDad, if you want to remain logically consistent.

    Consider how nativists back in the day believed that only stout Anglo-Saxon heritage served as the conduit to Western Civilization superiority and American exceptionalism. Do you really think they desired to have their culture being watered down by immigrants of notoriously questionable character, that being swarthy Poles, Greeks, and Italians?

    Senator Henry Cabot Lodge articulated the necessity for literacy tests and other measures to weed out, at worst, or outright deny, at best, the inclusion of “new” immigrants into American society –>

    “It is found, in the first place, that the illiteracy test will bear most heavily upon the Italians, Russians, Poles, Hungarians, Greeks, and Asiatics, and lightly, or not at all, upon English-speaking emigrants, or Germans, Scandinavians, and French. In other words, the races most affected by the illiteracy test are those whose emigration to this country has begun within the last twenty years and swelled rapidly to enormous proportions, races with which the English speaking people have never hitherto assimilated, and who are most alien to the great body of the people of the United States.”

    Lodge stated the problem succinctly–Southern and Eastern Europeans were culturally corrosive. Anglo-Saxon ideals from his perspective were being destroyed by waves of foreigners with their own culture and no desire to preserve nor adopt. Even Alt Right leader Vox Day agrees–“It’s telling, is it not, how all of these foreigners and immigrants just happened to produce a new definition of American that included them, a definition that was not held by the Founding Fathers. Nor is it a coincidence that this self-serving definition was subsequently used to justify the largest invasion to have ever taken place in human history, an invasion that has severely weakened the once-mighty American nation.”

    You have to go back, AnotherDad.

    • Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV
  139. @Eric Novak

    ” Seems to have slipped the mind of this Harvard Ph.D”

    The great majority Ph.D holders being the most idiotic clique of shit-talkers existing on planet Mirth, and the basic reason why they are worshipped to such a perverse degree in the US is because of the American adoption of a multitude of destructive German traits starting with “authority worship”.

    Germany : the source of evil surpassing anyplace else on this lunatic planet: Communism (yeah Marx was a Jew but he was also a German citizen) Psychology, okay Freud was Austrian but he was also a Teuton, period. Antifa, Heroin, “Green madness” the list of German aberration goes on and on, and this is an issue which is tabu and will simply not be addressed to.

    I lived in a German university town for several years and the masses of pompous Dummkopf Ph.D holders strutting around and celebrating themselves: Guten Tag Herr Doktor wie geht es Ihnen? etc was almost unbearable.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.

    • Replies: @Bert
    , @Kibernetika
  140. Jack D says:
    @syonredux

    I don’t have the feeling that Boston is (Harvard notwithstanding) the center of American intellectual life anymore and it is REALLY not a media capital so the move out of Boston was perhaps inevitable. In any empire, power and wealth tends to accumulate more and more in the capital. America is (somewhat) unique in that it has a de jure political capital AND a de facto financial capita and Boston is not either one of those.

    In the 19th century, Boston shone intellectually like a bright star over America and not just at Harvard, but those days are long over and it is pretty much an intellectual backwater nowadays.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @syonredux
  141. Jack D says:
    @Arclight

    We know that white elites are not going to be disadvantaged, at least not for a very long time – they are equal partners in the high-low coalition and they have rigged the game in their favor. If they can no longer get their mediocre kids into university due to AA then they can bribe their way in.

    The only question is whether middle class whites, in particular white urban and suburban females, can be peeled from the Coalition of the Fringes? You would think that discrimination against their sons would bother them, but first they would have to HAVE sons. They themselves get to divide the spoils of Affirmative Action with their darker colleagues.

  142. @Jonathan Mason

    “Until the Republicans can improve on what the Warren, Sanders or Buttigieg are offering”

    What these Democrat lunatics are offering is only sheer madness taking over and dealing the US it’s final coffin nail.
    The Republicans are bad enough but the Democrats are simply the world champions in deception, graft and unadulterated insanity, and if you cannot see this, then you belong in their, the Democrat’s, camp.

    AJM

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  143. J.Ross says:
    @syonredux

    Jews pretty much invented American private non-boarding schools of the familiar type. A number of German Jews immigrated here in large part to avoid the Prussian-derived German public school system, and, when they saw it being implemented in early Twentieth century New York City, they rioted, and then began the “Country Day” schools. My early exposure to Jews in Michigan was purely a result of finding myself in a private school, where I demonstrated some verbal ability in spelling tests, and briefly successfully argued that algebra was wrong (“Which number is this? What do you mean it can be more than one number, there’s only one symbol here!”).

  144. Bill B. says:
    @Arclight

    I would hope the white counter-attack will happen sooner. Certainly it will happen some time but when? I myself have always been conservative in sympathy but I only only really understood clearly what was happening perhaps a decade ago. Now that I have flipped I see the full horror and can never slide back. But anyone not mildly eccentric and fully embedded in our “liberal” mainstream will flip when?

  145. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “Well the Democrats have already set the precedent by refusing to acknowledge Trump’s victory in 2016.”

    And the UK equivalent have refused to acknowledge their defeat in the Brexit vote.

  146. syonredux says:
    @Jack D

    I don’t have the feeling that Boston is (Harvard notwithstanding) the center of American intellectual life anymore

    Dunno. Harvard +MIT is a pretty good combo….More importantly, being in Boston allowed the old Atlantic to maintain a certain distance from the Washington-NY political and financial elites….And then there’s the sense of cultural continuity that one feels while living in the Boston area, the feeling that one is linked to the old Anglo-America of John Winthrop, Benjamin Franklin, Hawthorne, TS Eliot, Henry Adams, Francis Parkman, Oliver Wendell Holmes, Emily Dickinson, ….

    I can’t help but think that something was lost in the move to Washington, that the magazine’s soul was left behind…..

  147. @Jack D

    Absolute nonsense. Do you even believe in God? And ‘born in sin’ indicates original sin, which is a basic tenet of Christian belief in the fall of man and the necessary sacrifice of Jesus Christ to atone for the sins of mankind. So ‘born in sin’ presupposes a God with his son Jesus at his right hand.

    And note Jesus died for the sins of mankind, not just Americans, who didn’t even exist when he was crucified and rose from the dead. So mankind was also ‘born in sin’. There is nothing uniquely horrible about America in Christian belief. And the bloody Civil War was repentence for slavery at a national scale regardless. The idea America has lost anything permanently due to sin is sheer drivel.

    If you’re not Christian, great. Christ loves you as much as me, even if you don’t think he exists. But don’t spout pseudo-Christian concepts in an attempt to claim Americans have no moral right to control immigration policy as we see fit.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  148. @syonredux

    “Michael Kelly, 1999–2003”

    16 years.

    Hard to believe.

  149. @Anon

    Yoni’s just a dumb c–t but her brother, Lingam, is a major league prick.

  150. anonn says:

    Denying black people the vote – what Republicans are doing – and trying to ensure that all citizens have equal rights – what the Democrats are doing – are apples and oranges.

    Now, you all may think the current level of immigration is too high (and as a leftist I do too, for different reasons), but it’s extremely specious to claim that the two are even remotely similar.

    The Republicans do this because their policies are so profoundly awful that they know they will never again win a majority of the vote in a fair election.

    Large majorities of workers want foreign competition excluded from the US labor market, and large majorities of people who live in areas with a lot of immigrants are pissed that local taxpayers have to foot the bill for their impact on government services. This is one of the few areas that Republicans could actually craft a policy that is widely popular.

    Instead of doing that, they gleefully gin up hate against racial minorities while allowing millions of low-wage laborers in to ruin American workers’ wages. Listen to what the Republicans actually say and pay attention to what they actually do – they will never cut off the flow because that might raise American workers’ wages.

    Republicans want this country to become Brazil, and you all are letting it happen. Vote in the Dem primaries for candidates that will raise the minimum wage to $15 , insist that Medicare for All exclude undocumented workers, and criminalize paying undocumented workers. These three things will do more to slow excessive migration than any amount of racist screaming.

  151. Jack D says:
    @XYZ (no Mr.)

    There is nothing uniquely horrible about America in Christian belief.

    Slavery had died out in Europe after the Roman era, largely due to the impetus of Christianity. The discovery of the Americas saw its re-introduction into Christendom.

    • Replies: @XYZ (no Mr.)
    , @anon
  152. @Jack D

    Introduced by many countries: England, Spain, France, Denmark, Portugal, none named the United States of America. And of course you mention just Christian lands, not the rest of the world, including indigenous North America, which had continuous slavery.

    So my point stands: there is nothing uniquely horrible about America in Christian belief. It is a nation of sinners, because all nations are of sinners. Calling out America as ‘born in sin’ means nothing, because Christian belief allows for repentance and forgiveness. The idea of ‘permanent sin’ among the living is absolutely not Christian.

    And if you’re not Christian fine, but bringing up melodramatic crap like we as a nation are ‘born in sin’, and because so have permanently lost some moral standing to decide our future, is nonsense.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @nebulafox
  153. Jack D says:
    @syonredux

    I think this depends on where you live (and how rich you are). If it is somewhere where the local public schools suck, then obviously it’s going to be private school for all but a few. If they are tolerable to good, it’s going to be divided – some % will go private and some public. The richer you are the higher the likelihood of going private but it never reaches 100% at the high end or 0% at the low end. There are some Jews (more from the later generation of more leftist E. European Jews, not the old school Germans) who are die hard believers in public education and will send their kids to public school even if they are wealthy.

    In my township, something like 40% of the kids (of all religions) attend private schools despite the public schools being among the best in the state – I don’t know what the breakdown is on Jewish vs. non-Jewish. Usually it’s highest for Catholics because they have such a well established school system of their own. Nothing really comparable exists for Jews except for the Orthodox.

  154. Bert says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    You don’t know that Freud was a Jew? Amazing. For having resided in Germany, you don’t seem to know much about the people native to that country. As an Army vet, the best topic for you to start learning more about Germans would be to consider the man to man comparison discussed below. Whatever ethnicity you claim, Germans are demonstrably better than your group at the hardest thing any man can do.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1985/05/05/their-wehrmacht-was-better-than-our-army/0b2cfe73-68f4-4bc3-a62d-7626f6382dbd/

    From the Washington Post, 1985: “In 1950, the great British military writer Capt. Basil Liddell Hart wrote a paper in which he reflected upon the vast Allied superiority of forces in northwest Europe in 1944, and the reluctance of postwar military critics in Britain and America to draw appropriate conclusions about Allied performance: There has been too much self-congratulation and too little objective investigation, he said.
    Liddell Hart is not alone in challenging the conventional wisdom about the war. Critics have questioned some of the theories of the controversial American military analysts Col. Trevor Dupuy and Martin Van Creveld, who have subjected the respective performance of the American and German armies on the battlefield to detailed statistical study. But none has yet faulted Dupuy’s conclusion that on almost every battlefield of the war the German showed best:
    On a man for man basis, German ground soldiers consistently inflicted casualties at about a 50 percent higher rate than they incurred from the opposing British and American troops under all circumstances (emphasis in original). This was true when they were attacking and when they were defending, when they had a local numerical superiority and when, as was usually the case, they were outnumbered, when they had air superiority and when they did not, when they won and when they lost.”

  155. @Buzz Mohawk

    So, Johnny Cash walks into a bar on open-mic night, dressed as an orthodox rabbi, and . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA1Pey1bHFk

  156. Ed says:
    @Clifford Brown

    If I recall correctly Yoni would just agree with everything Coates wrote but would add some historical back up.

    Coates comment section attracted some hard core fans and aggressive moderators. Anyone disagreeing was denounced as a racist or troll and blocked from the Atlantic. Coates then said comments were whack and got them removed from his articles. Before long they were removed from the site altogether.

  157. @XYZ (no Mr.)

    You forgot Islamic countries & most of Africa (or not, if you meant only Christendom).

    Anyway, to think about historical processes in moralistic or religious terms is – wrong.

  158. fnn says:
    @anonymous

    There will be riots if the state tries to turn mixed-race people into legally disadvantaged “whites.”

  159. nebulafox says:
    @XYZ (no Mr.)

    I’ll split the difference: we owe something to black descendants of slaves, like it or not, because their ancestors never asked to be here. Black Americans have dealt with centuries of institutionalized discrimination on a unique, pervasive level, whether slavery or Jim Crow. And of course, the native Indians really, *really* didn’t ask for what they got.

    But that’s it. AA should be limited to those two groups, nothing more. When the children of 6-digit earning recent arrivals who are employed as professionals are nonetheless eligible for affirmative action programs, that’s when you hit the BS button. If your ancestors/you came here of your own free will and didn’t have practical genocide attempted against them by the state, you aren’t eligible for government compensation, end of story.

    It goes without saying, of course, that the idea that we have unlimited immigration from the subcontinent due to the existence of the British Raj is so stupid that even commentators for the New York Times are questioning it.

    • Agree: ic1000
  160. @Authenticjazzman

    “Until the Republicans can improve on what the Warren, Sanders or Buttigieg are offering”

    What these Democrat lunatics are offering is only sheer madness taking over and dealing the US it’s final coffin nail.

    Well, there you go. It should be easy-peasy to offer some better way of financing universal health care for a large population in a way that everyone can afford and that makes medical bankruptcies a thing of the past, particularly since every other developed nation has already found its own way–even Russia.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @anon
  161. nebulafox says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I keep hearing the GOP true believers whining about the costs, but the thing is that even a universal Beveridge system would be cheaper than the morass of over a dozen competing bureaucracies we have now. We’ve managed to somehow combine the worst of both worlds and create a healthcare system that is simultaneously expensive and incompetent/incomplete.

    The health insurance hacks are a threat to national interests.

  162. anon[297] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    It should be easy-peasy to offer some better way of financing universal health care for a large population in a way that everyone can afford and that makes medical bankruptcies a thing of the past, particularly since every other developed nation has already found its own way–even Russia.

    Says the man who just got here and obviously knows no history. What is Medicaid? When was it enacted into law? What’s the funding status? How does it differ from Medicare?

    In what year did Federal law require hospital Emergency Rooms to accept everyone who shows up, no matter what? Thereby converting ER’s into “free clinics” not just for poor folks but for illegals as well. Does the term “anchor baby” mean anything to you? It means something to every ER from San Diego to Brownsville.

    Anyway, Obamacare fixed all of that, remember? Or were Speaker Pelosi and Lightbringer With Crisp Crease In His Pants Obama lying to the American people?

    There are any number of iron rice bowls associated with the current system, and they won’t be broken very easily. The forces of “everyone must be controlled” have been pushing us in that direction since the 1940’s. We’ll get there, I’m sure. Then cretins like you will whine and fuss and say “Oh, wait, we didn’t mean it should be like this” when it fails to match your ideal hypothetical. Because there will be tradeoffs – ask anyone who has used the VA system or TriCare; MediCal; Medicare. Can’t buy a BMW on a Hyundai budget, no matter what ideologues say.

    By the way, Google has accumulated a mountain of medical data including names, procedures done, drugs prescribed, SSN’s, insurance numbers, DOB, the works. I’m totally sure it’s so, so secure and nothing inappropriate will ever be done with it. That’s possible because Obamacare mandated certain records be digitized and transferable. Yeah, yeah, yeah, muh HIPPA violations, sure. I’m confident the Feds will get on that real soon, because Google is such a tiny player in the economy it can easily be pushed around.

    tl;dr
    Mason, you don’t know squat and you are too lazy to find anything out.

  163. notsaying says:
    @Hail

    If the Atlantic hired someone off their comments section it seems that much more surprising — and sad — that the Atlantic stopped accepting comments for their articles.

    I still miss them.

    • Replies: @Hail
  164. @Corvinus

    So what is this “American settler stock”?

    Which of those three words do you not understand?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Hibernian
  165. Yoni is the transliterated name from sanskrit for a vagina….

    Thus Yoni Applebaum is apparently a pussy….

  166. @nebulafox

    Yes — helping fellow poor citizens to achieve a better and more dignified life is a fine goal for the American people as a whole. Since American Indians and black Americans are disproportionately poor — I agree the disproportionate nature is due to historical discrimination against them — they will benefit disproportionately from such needs-based programs. There is no need to make these programs racially or ethnically based.

    No citizens that are middle class or above, of any race, however, are owed any societal debt by the American people, except to be treated as fairly as any other citizen. The last American slave was freed over 150 years ago. Voting rights — which were only regionally, never nationally, restricted, were fully restored over 50 years ago.

    Change takes time, but eventually the past really becomes the past, and can no longer be invoked to guide current or future policy unless heavily propagandized, as is the case today.

    Regardless, you are right that this is a discussion between historic American groups — the American people owe nothing to legal immigrants except a fair chance to sink or swim in America.

  167. @Moses

    Gen. Leveque: They call me mad, but one day when the history of
    France is written, they will mark my name well…
    Sidney Applebaum!

  168. @Corvinus

    It doesn’t take much for a lot of people here to go full Adolph.

    Part of the problem, though, is that a lot of reasonable arguments that involve race or ethnicity are basically banned from mainstream discussion, leaving the topic to hateful extremists.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @Corvinus
  169. SFG says:
    @anon

    It’s not EVERY time, it’s DISPROPORTIONATE.

    I.e., the P(Jews writing anti-white articles)/P(all Americans writing anti-white articles) > P(Jews)/P(USA).

    This is actually a pretty mild example, too–the ‘allow new people into the coalition’ argument suggests a Kauffmanian ‘whiteshift’ where the American majority gets ‘beiged’ but the old majority lives out their lives and passes on their genes (albeit mixed with outsiders), rather than a South African slow-motion white genocide.

  170. SFG says:
    @syonredux

    WASP–>Irish–>Jewish. Sounds about right. They’ll probably get a subcontinental Indian in a few years.

    Interestingly, Bennet was half-Jewish, half-WASP, and could be seen as a transitional figure.

    • Replies: @Hail
  171. Hail says: • Website
    @SFG

    He is not just (half-)Jewish, but of very-recent-foreign-origin Jewish. This is no Barry Goldwater with distant US ancestry.

    Michael Bennett was the one who lectured the Democratic debate on how he was the top moral authority in the room because he was a Second Generation Holocaust Survivor.

  172. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I blame the Karter and Whitman branches of his family.

  173. Hail says: • Website
    @notsaying

    The end came in an early February:

    The End of Comments
    FEBRUARY 8, 2018

    Last week, Jeffrey Goldberg, The Atlantic’s editor in chief, announced the creation of a new online Letters section, and the related decision to shut down comments on TheAtlantic.com. “We are choosing now to elevate respectful, intelligent discourse and argument,”

    So the man behind the curtain named Goldberg shut it down.

  174. nebulafox says:
    @Morris Applebaum IV

    When the powers-that-be force conversations that need to be had to the fringes, fringe figures are naturally going to be the ones that pick it up. And in the age of the Internet, MSM blackouts don’t have the same oomph they used to.

  175. @Bert

    Same was true in WWI: the Germans were the best soldiers. They were so much better than their allies that there was this constant pattern of Central Power allies, e.g., the Austro-Hungarians, sitting on the defensive against the Entente (e.g., Italians), who were more on the offensive. Eventually, the Austro-Hungarians would start to crack so at the last moment an army of Germans would arrive by train and counter-attack, crushing the Italians. Then the Germans would have to go back to the Western Front and Austrians would lose the German gains.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Kibernetika
    , @syonredux
  176. Hail says: • Website
    @Alden

    What will Jewish activists claim 150 years from now

    2169 AD. Monday, November 13, 5:30 PM.

    An Eighth-Generation Holocaust Survivor and his Ninth-Generation Holocaust Survivor son are out for an evening walk. “Son, let me tell you a story. It’s a true story. It’s from a long time ago. It’s something very important for you to hear. It’s about golf clubs…”

  177. Corvinus says:
    @Morris Applebaum IV

    “It doesn’t take much for a lot of people here to go full Adolph.”

    Words or actions?

    “Part of the problem, though, is that a lot of reasonable arguments that involve race or ethnicity are basically banned from mainstream discussion, leaving the topic to hateful extremists.”

    Which reasonable arguments are you referring to?

  178. @Redneck farmer

    Tectonic movement leads to both earthquakes and volcanoes. (Hey, I received a D grade in Geology 101, a grade that I deserved. But I passed 😉

    I’ve read Cole at Taki’s Mag. He does seem very self-aware, as you say.

  179. Corvinus says:
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    “American settler stock” can refer to strictly British ancestry, or to the various groups which arrived to the Thirteen Colonies–French Huguenots, Pennsylvania Dutch, the Swedes, the Jews. You need to be specific here. Anyways, what are your responses to the other relevant questions that I posed?

  180. @Authenticjazzman

    Little Duck was an Army non-com in occupied Germany? Thanks for the humor 🙂

    • Replies: @Hail
  181. anon[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Slavery had died out in Europe after the Roman era, largely due to the impetus of Christianity. The discovery of the Americas saw its re-introduction into Christendom.

    Is Sicily part of Europe? How about Spain? Do you have a clue what the Koran says about slavery? Any idea what “slav” has as a root word?

    Citation, please. No handwaving.

  182. Hail says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer

    It’s probably fair to say that apparent German effectiveness in warfare is ‘Prussian’ more than ‘German’ as such. Most other German states in the older days didn’t do too well.

    Any studies of ‘German’ effectiveness in the Napoleonic Wars?

    (Most German states/armies performed poorly in the Napoleonic wars, I think, and even once-fearless Prussia was humbled, beaten, outmaneuvered rather easily, neutralized; this latter defeat is what led a bitter young Prussian named Carl von Clausewitz to ‘defect’ to Russia and join their army, which was still a belligerent against the little man from Corsica. Experiences gained there formed much of the basis of his later On War.)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @nebulafox
  183. Hail says: • Website
    @Kibernetika

    It doesn’t sound like AuthenticJazzman was a soldier in Germany if he lived in a “university town.”

    • Replies: @Kibernetika
  184. @Steve Sailer

    My gramps fought all the way through WW1, from before Tannenberg until the Brest-Litovsk stuff. Prussians were/are tough. Nothing seems difficult to me after hearing his stories. I haven’t lost any major body parts.

    Everyone should read Jaroslav Hasek’s Good Soldier Schweijk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Good_Soldier_Švejk.

    At West Point they used to read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forgotten_Soldier, but not sure if it’s allowed these days.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @nebulafox
  185. @Hail

    Perhaps I was projecting. Germany has many “university towns.” For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tübingen

  186. Anonymous[352] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox

    Americans feel guilty about the Holocaust yet had nothing to do with it. Why shouldn’t they also feel guilt over British imperialism?

    • Replies: @jim jones
  187. Anonymous[352] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    Napoleon’s innovation was the understanding that modern battles are won with artillery not manpower, and the side that brings the most and biggest guns to the field usually wins, regardless of the actual number of troops involved.

    This has remained standard military wisdom down to modern times.

  188. @restless94110

    All these articles seem to believe that white people vote Republican and all minorities vote Democrat. But they don’t. Obama was elected by white people.

    1. That’s false.
    2. McCain was to the left of Obama.

  189. nebulafox says:
    @Hail

    Frederick Barbarossa would have had a thing or two to say about that.

    German mercenary fighters were in high demand throughout Europe in the Middle Ages and the Renaissance period for a reason. Everybody hired them. Even Henry VIII mainly entered into his ill-fated fourth marriage because he only though German dukes had big ugly armies, not big ugly daughters! Then there’s classical antiquity… I don’t think you needed to tell the Romans that the Germanic tribes could be a serious headache to deal with!

    The Thirty Year’s War turned Germany into a depopulated wasteland, which led to a mass disruption of this martial tradition in most states, much like what happened to the Jews after Rome’s bloody suppression of their revolts. People lost their taste for things military. Prussia was the exception, mainly due to the influence of the Hohenzollern dynasty taking the lesson from the war-and from their disconnected territories, lacking any natural defensive barriers-that the army was the only guarantee of survival. And they brought it back in force in the 1800s.

    (Having no natural barriers seems to be a common trait for most militaristic cultures.)

    As for the Napoleonic Wars, part of that was because Napoleon was Napoleon. He thrashed everybody: the Russians included until he made the decision to invade Russia, the decision that would ultimately be his undoing like Charles before him and Hitler afterwards. Part of that was also because the Prussian military machine was suffering rot even by the 1780s, as seen by the rusty performance in the Bavarian War of Succession. Frederick the Great was nowhere near as bad as Qianlong late in his reign, but ultimately, same issue of living a little too long and seeing energy atrophy.

    (And he really should have maybe considered at least trying to pop out a son rather than his worthless nephew and his descendants. I get that women weren’t Frederick’s thing, but seriously, man: duty to the state first. You did this so well everywhere else in life, so just do what is necessary with the wife until you got the succession figured out and be done with it. It’s not that much of a diversion from the young men.)

    >It doesn’t sound like AuthenticJazzman was a soldier in Germany if he lived in a “university town.”

    Ol’ Heidelberg was specifically chosen for US army command HQ because it wasn’t bombed.

    Wurzburg also used to have a big army base that was taken over by the university when the Americans left.

    • Replies: @Hail
  190. nebulafox says:
    @Kibernetika

    In Berlin, the situation is serious, but not desperate.

    In Vienna, the situation is desperate, but not serious.

  191. nebulafox says:
    @Bert

    The typical German soldier was better educated than his Western counterparts in both world wars. The Nazi regime did more and more damage to the education system as time went on in the second one, granted, with old salts invariably complaining that new recruits and trainees were dumb as rocks compared to what they were used to. Still, the gap was enough so that you could use things like Auftragstaktik that relied off the ability of junior officers to think independently. The Western allies simply could not replicate this because it relied off having levels of consistent rigorous education that they couldn’t assume. That this education was used in the service of perhaps the most immoral regime in modern history doesn’t change this.

    (Ironically, the only military force that has successfully replicated this? The IDF! Moshe Dayan was trained by the British, and he was unimpressed: he wanted to ensure that the Israelis could overcome any numerical advantage through quality.)

    >“On a man for man basis, German ground soldiers consistently inflicted casualties at about a 50 percent higher rate than they incurred from the opposing British and American troops under all circumstances (emphasis in original).

    Well, I don’t think Hollywood is going to be making a film about the Battle of the Hurtgen Forest-a far more representative three month slog in which tired German middle aged men and teenagers chewed the US army up until numbers and American material overwhelmed them in the aftermath of the Bulge-any time soon. That would basically contradict every hokey narrative you could imagine. But it is the truth that even George Patton acknowledged that what really won the war for the Western allies was the artillery: and the airpower that constantly disrupted anything the Wehrmacht wanted to do. The industralized weight of the United States combined with the Soviet juggernaut in the East was simply too much for Germany to overcome, no matter how high quality (and utterly ruthless) their army was.

    On the other hand, too little credit is frankly given to the Russians. Not just what they went through (Battle of Kursk alone had more men killed than the whole Western Front), but also their strategic abilities as the war went on. Even the Germans themselves recognized this, or at least everybody below the generals who wrote the memoirs. Of all people, they should know, considering that the Stavka was built off the Prussian model… while the Heer got to test their weapons in the USSR in the 1920s back when both nations were global pariahs who collaborated.

  192. syonredux says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Robert Graves, in GOODBYE TO ALL THAT (his WWI memoirs) , notes that British combat veterans freely conceded that “Fritz” was the finest fighting man in Europe, and that the naval blockade was responsible for the allied victory over Germany.

  193. Moses says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    What’s your ethnicity/race?

    As the left preaches 24/7, race matters. In fact, they may be right that race is the only thing that matters. Every group but Whites understands this.

    Whites are the only group where a majority holds bedrock American values — freedom of speech, gun ownership rights, less government regulation.

    Race matters.

    Importing more non-Whites upsets the political balance. In a real way, it changes the values and balance of our nation. It disenfranchises us.

    We have a right to keep our values and to keep our culture.

    Thank you, drive thru.

  194. Dissident says:
    @nebulafox

    I’ll split the difference: we owe something to black descendants of slaves, like it or not, because their ancestors never asked to be here. Black Americans have dealt with centuries of institutionalized discrimination on a unique, pervasive level, whether slavery or Jim Crow. And of course, the native Indians really, *really* didn’t ask for what they got.

    But that’s it. AA should be limited to those two groups, nothing more.

    What, specifically, would the Affirmative Action that you support consist of? Lowering standards when (as is generally the case) members of the AA-eligible group (i.e., Blacks and native Indians) can’t meet them? Preferences in university admissions and in hiring to clearly less-qualified members of the AA-eligible group over far-more qualified Whites? Doesn’t Affirmative Action mandate both of those things?

    Do (even) the recipients of Affirmative Action truly benefit from it, beyond the obvious, immediate, penny-wise/pound-foolish benefits? For example, aren’t Blacks and Hispanics actually more likely to be dependent upon Affirmative Action hires than most Whites? Are minorities somehow immune from the dangers posed by under-qualified physicians, nurses, firefighters, police, etc.?

    I don’t know that I would disagree with anything in your first paragraph. And I certainly agree with everything else you wrote.

    XYZ (no Mr.) wrote:

    Since American Indians and black Americans are disproportionately poor — I agree the disproportionate nature is due to historical discrimination against them —

    Do you honestly believe that historical discrimination is the primary reason for the disproportionately low achievement and success levels/ disproportionately high crime, poverty and dysfunction rates for Blacks and American Indians?

    How many more decades of Affirmative Action will it take, in your estimation, before Blacks and American Indians improve enough to close the gap with Whites and Asians?

    • Replies: @XYZ (no Mr.)
  195. Living in the United States these days is like being trapped in a Philip Roth novel, with Jewish neurosis a kind of ether that permeates everything. Although, in Roth’s defense, some of his work gave his readers lots of fun by satirizing Jewish paranoia and obsessions. (Then, in The Plot Against America, he adopted the outlook he formerly satirized.)

    • Agree: Hail
  196. Hail says: • Website
    @nebulafox

    Ol’ Heidelberg was specifically chosen for US army command HQ because it wasn’t bombed.

    If AuthenticJazzman is still reading, he can clarify as to whether he was there with the US Amy or at another time unattached to the Army (or both), but how likely is it a US soldier would have had occasion to observe

    the masses of pompous Dummkopf Ph.D holders strutting around and celebrating themselves: Guten Tag Herr Doktor wie geht es Ihnen?

    and for “several years”!

  197. jim jones says:
    @Anonymous

    The Chinese are jumping on the Colonialist bandwagon and saying we should return the Elgin Marbles:

    https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/xi-jinping-greece-marbles-intl-hnk-scli/index.html

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  198. Anonymous[352] • Disclaimer says:
    @jim jones

    The Chinese want their stuff back too. It’s logically consistent.

  199. @Jack D

    America was NEVER “a traditional white, Western nation”.

    Yes and no.

    Absolutely agree that America was never a *normal*–i.e. long established mono-ethnic–Western nation. And obviously agree that African slavery was a huge, stupid “own goal”.

    Nonetheless when you and I were born, America was a 90% white and by culture, institutions, normative behavior utterly white-dominant Western (Anglo-sphere division) nation.

    And again my point on coercion:

    Yoni Applebaum and the other “nation of immigrants” people want to live in the continuously degrading multicultural utopia … great. I’m fine with that. Just let me–and the tens of millions of other Americans like me–live in our traditional white, Western American nation.

    But that is what Yoni and “nation of immigrants” people object to. What they want is not their being able to live as they like, it is that i not be allowed to live as i like.

  200. @Dissident

    I couldn’t begin to predict that. But government assistance to the poor isn’t going away anytime soon, if ever, and isn’t seen as Affirmative Action. Active AA — for both minorites and women — is not only unfair to individuals, but is racial and gender identity politics sanctioned by the government, which is its real serious long term societal danger. Slowly dismantling AA with the understanding that America has changed a lot since 1865, and done plenty to combat the effects of historic discrimination, and will still continue to help the poor of all races, is an idea most conservatives and many moderates can embrace. (I care not how the left will scream.) And no, I’m not an HBDer. But crap like the 1619 Project — and ‘born in sin’ stuff — are indications that many think America is permanently tainted by slavery or racial discrimination, and as such, must permanently make amends. I take that view as not only wrong, but very dangerous, and it needs to be rebuted and refuted continuously.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  201. @Bert

    ” You don’t know Freud was a Jew”

    I knew Freud was a Jew before you were born.

    “You don’t seem to to know much about the people native to the country”

    Yeah sure. Look friend I resided in Germany as a civilian, ( musician) not military, for forty years plus and I was married to three “upper-class” German women, an MD (surgeon) , a “Von”, and my current wife a retired teacher, and I have forgotten more details of German society and history than you will ever aquire.
    My “Von’s” wife mother had a photo of her uncle, a high-ranking officer, standing next to AH, and the stories she was able to tell regarding the war and Germany in general were an education in themselves. My brother-in-law from that marriage had been a SS paratrouper who jumped into Crete in that ill-fated action.
    Aside from these facts jwtf value does the issue of who had the most effective killers in their armies have to do with anything other than bragging rights? Germans are quite effective in their brutality and their know-it-all ism, “Besserwisserei”, and the Italians still build the best cars, so what is your point?

    AJM

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Bert
  202. @Justvisiting

    The Japanese have Aterm for the goggle-eyed look of Adam Schiff, AOC, and Charles Manson — “sanpaku eyes,” which refers to eyes in which the white space above or below the iris is visible.

    From Wikipedia: “According to Chinese medical face reading, when the white part of the eye, known as the sclera, is visible beneath the iris, it represents physical imbalance in the body and is claimed to be present in alcoholics, drug addicts and people who over-consume sugar or grain. Conversely, when the upper sclera is visible it is said to be an indication of mental imbalance in people such as psychotics, murderers, and anyone rageful…. In either condition, it is believed that these people attract accidents and violence.”

    With Schiff, AOC, and Manson, it is the white above the iris that is visible.

  203. Jack D says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    and the Italians still build the best cars

    I was with you right up until then. Actually Italians DESIGN the best cars. Building them is where they fall short. Germans were always better at execution.

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  204. notsaying says:
    @Honesthughgrant

    Despite all that, for the last 30 years, Blacks vote D, 85-15, Hispanics, 70-30 and immigrants 65-35. The R’s are like a business that loses money on every sale, but wants to sell even more items.

    Good points. I don’t see how the Republican Party can remain one of our two big parties for much longer. They just won’t have the votes. There will be too many nonwhites and non-conservatives. I think we will see the rise of a new party that becomes big and a small Republican party will stick around as a third party.

  205. Yoni Applebaum would be equally suitable as the sobriquet for a star of blue movies, or as a euphemism for some vile, deviant sexual practice – perhaps both, the former being an eponym….

    • Replies: @Dissident
  206. Dissident says:
    @XYZ (no Mr.)

    Thank you for replying.

    I couldn’t begin to predict that.

    My second question was largely rhetorical. In asking my first in the tone I did, I at least implied that I do not find the arguments that place the primary blame for Black dysfunction and lower achievement on historical discrimination to be at all convincing. Perhaps they were plausible at one time but not today, with all remnants of institutional discrimination as long in the past as they are, and the pendulum swung ever-more toward the other extreme for as long as it has been now.

    I agree on the need and desirability for a solid social safety net.

  207. Bert says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    Quoting from your post gratuitously attacking Germans, “Freud was Austrian but he was also a Teuton,” I conclude that nothing you say is reliable and that you can’t admit an obvious error. That is my point. Just doing a little quality control work here on Unz Review.

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  208. @Jack D

    ” Building them is where they fall short”

    Hogwash, myself I owned eleven Alfa Romeos starting with a “Duetto” roundback spider as featured in the “Graduate” and last one was the so-called Montreal, a gorgeous V8 Autobahn monster.
    They were simply marvelous driving machines, unsurpassed in road holding and braking.
    The Duetto was equipped, way back in 1966, with four discs, double overhead cams and a silky smooth five-speed trans. Most car-lovers don’t know that Enzo (Ferrari) worked for and raced Alfas before the war, and his magnificent creations, in reality, are basically souped-up Alfas.

    At this time we, wife and I, are tooling a BMW four-door, with manuel five trans, and it is a fantastic ride.

    AJM

  209. @Bert

    ” I conclude that nothing you say is reliable”

    I really do not give a shiot about your opinion of my statements.

    Have a nice day.

    AJM

  210. Dissident says:
    @Autochthon

    Yoni Applebaum would be equally suitable as the sobriquet for a star of blue movies, or as a euphemism for some vile, deviant sexual practice – perhaps both, the former being an eponym….

    There is so much of substance to criticize Mr. Appelbaum for– his ideas, his attitude, perhaps his character. Why dilute our (i.e., all of us who defend those and that which YA attacks) legitimate, formidable objections and arguments by resorting-to petty, frivolous ridiculing of names, appearances, etc.?

    I do not mean to single you or any other particular individual poster out for censure; I direct my comment at all who indulge in such antics.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  211. @Dissident

    My dear fellow, the battles are fought; the war long since lost – antics are all that remain for the wise. They facilitate endurance during the aestivation.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  212. Grotesquely insecure, inferior to everyone, Caucasian trash like this are the colon, rectum, and anus of the USA and the entire western world. Nothing in them or coming out of them but shit.

  213. Since they have been an anchor dragging America down forever, it would be awesome if all fear ridden , hate driven, grotesquely insecure and inferior to everyone, Caucasian trash assholes and barbarians were to be relocated to Tierra Del Fuego. Permanently.

  214. @Alden

    The reason for that is Boomers had it too good, they still had great paying jobs, cheap, safe, affordable housing, and vast areas to run to, that is gone and the time to fight is here.

  215. Dissident says:
    @Autochthon

    My dear fellow, the battles are fought; the war long since lost – antics are all that remain for the wise. They facilitate endurance during the aestivation.

    I hear ya.

  216. Hibernian says:
    @utu

    Please elaborate. What was the point?

    • Replies: @Anon
  217. Hibernian says:
    @Alden

    Catholics just going to Catholic schools was never universal even back in the day and Catholic school attendance dropped precipitately around the time I was junior high school age – late 60s. I and a bunch of my classmates at parochial school, after graduating 8th grade, started the next fall as 9th graders at a public junior high school. My sister’s best friend was in a family that went to Mass every Sunday, but the kids never went to parochial school. Some kids just went 3 or 4 years before transferring to public school.

  218. Anon[314] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hibernian

    The point of French policy or of mentioning it?

    The point of French policy was to weaken the HRE, hence also the longstanding Franco-Turkish alliance.

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