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From Reuters:

Turkey’s Erdogan threatens to send Syrian refugees to Europe

(Reuters) – President Tayyip Erdogan said on Thursday Ankara will send the 3.6 million Syrian refugees in Turkey to Europe if European countries label the country’s military incursion in Syria as an occupation.

“We will open the gates and send 3.6 million refugees your way,” Erdogan said in speech to lawmakers from his AK Party.

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  1. He’s not syrious, is he?

  2. Asdf says:

    Merkel will welcome them.

    • Replies: @Abe
    , @The Alarmist
    , @Jake
  3. Judging from our media establishment… Israelis seem REALLY upset about the awful things being done to the brave victimized kurds… so how about Turkey sends Israel the 3.6 million? Unlike backward European racists THEY love diversity. It’s a perfect match and just in time for the big election!

    Think of all the fresh young perspectives! Think of the economic growth! Think of the interest payments rotting in the fields! Think of all the vibrancy and the great restaurants!

  4. Erdogan is, and has been, flooding Greece with refugees for many years to destabilise the nation for geopolitical purposes. Some people are under the illusion that Erdogan is different than the previous secular nationalist Fascist regimes of Turkey. Remember when Obama praised Turkey as a beacon for the Islamic world. The only difference is that Erdogan applies an Islamist colouring to his rhetoric to satisfy his Neo-Ottoman dreams.

    It was a grave mistake by the Great Powers of the time to allow Kemalist Turkey to establish the Republic of Turkey in its present state. They should have largely have stuck to the partitioning of Ottoman Turkey according to the Treaty of Sevres; however, the Great Powers were exhausted by WWI.

  5. J.Ross says:

    Jean-Claud Drunkard literally threatened to cut aid money to Turkey if Turkey repatriates refugees who have been living in camps to their own country. So there are those in Europe who openly want that fresh influx.
    In other news George Soros identifies the PRC as the biggest threat to freedom and has been praising Trump, calling Trump’s trade war the biggest political triumph in years.
    Also it’s unreported but Obama handed control of a major port to Beijing and Trump kicked them out.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  6. @Reg Cæsar

    He’s merely providing levanty in a tense moment.

  7. kihowi says:

    That implies that now there’s a reason he’s not doing that. Couldn’t be because he’s enjoying the immigrants so much. Is Turkey still trying to become part of the EU? I thought that had been kiboshed.

    Interestingly, it seems that everybody agrees that immigrants are a punishment.

  8. Altai says:

    He has done this many times before. Currently nothing is stopping any of them from taking a boat to Greece as many are doing. Alan Kurdi’s family had full papers as registered asylum seekers in Turkey and had an apartment. His father even had a job but still decided to illegally take a boat to Greece to try to get to Germany.

    Now that the border with Bulgaria is reinforced it will be much harder for the columns of men to just walk through. It will have to be Greece.

  9. Jack D says:

    Erdogan is sort of a Turkish Trump so not everything he says should be taken at face value (not everything ANY politician says should be taken at face – I would take about a 90% discount off of most politician’s promises).

    That being said, Erdogan is really highlighting the lack of balls of most European politicians when dealing with refugees and also how glad the Europeans have been to shift this problem to Turkey in exchange for pretty much nothing. Why should Turkey continue to take the brunt of the Syrian refugees?

    The Kurds complicate the situation because Erdogan hates them even more than he hates Assad but what should have been done (WITHOUT involving the US since it’s basically none of our business) at the start of the war was to partition Syria (another phony Versailles created state – was there EVER a worse treaty?) into two or more states, none of which were ISIS controlled states. Then the refugees could have stayed home or gone to their preferred state in an “exchange of population” ala the partition of India. This would have been bad but not as bad as what resulted. Russia could have been bought off by permanently recognizing their sphere of influence and bases in the Assad controlled sector. Putin would have figured that 1/2 a bird in the hand was worth 2 in the bush. But no one was willing to pay the blood and treasure required to implement this so they will pay in other ways.

  10. OT

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    Cockroach Milk, Cockroach Milk, Cockroach Milk

    • Replies: @Laurence Whelk
    , @britinara
  11. @Agathoklis

    Erdogan killed Kemalist Turkey. He is the new Sultan. We’ve had decades to think about “should, coulda” but we don’t have a time machine to practice our corrective history with, so we’ll have to make do with rewriting history books.

    • Replies: @Hrw-500
  12. Altai says:

    In fairness the Kurds are just caught in the middle and their self-determination just happens to also undermine two countries which haven’t completely capitulated to Israel’s every whim. In this case the neocons shouldn’t really be annoyed as Turkey’s intervention will surely not be intended to bring this civil war to an end. It is also advantageous as the escalation of conflict with the Kurds along with the continuing demographic displacement of ethnic Turks by ethnic Kurds along with the coming economic implosion and aggressive Turkish nationalism promoted by the Turkish state are such to internal conflict and discord in what is ultimately an unreliable ally who Israel is bound to find itself in serious conflict with eventually.

    I wouldn’t blame them ever for fighting for self-determination.

  13. @Agathoklis

    Greek government, run by ZOG puppets, is the country’s worst enemy. Say what you want about Erdogan, but he is nobody’s puppet.

  14. The Turks got quite a racket…They get to ethnically cleanse Kurds…..They get to keep Turkey Majority Turkish….And they get to come to America and colonize the Poconos…own all the gas stations on Long Island…..Corner the market on Charter Schools via the H-1 B Visa Program…..And vote Whitey into a White Racial Minority-White Racial Foreigner within the borders of America….

    • Replies: @Amerimutt Golems
  15. Jack D says:

    This comes down to Mao’s formulation that power comes from the barrel of a gun. Turkey kept its borders because there were people willing to fight for them who were more willing and better able to fight than the other side. Same as why Vietnam now exists and S. Vietnam doesn’t anymore. The fact that Turkey exists in its current borders pretty much indicates that it should exist. If no one was willing to fight for it, it wouldn’t have existed.

    Sure Erdogan is really a Turkish nationalist with an Islamic spin but this is a big change. The original Turkish Republic had an explicitly secular mandate as a key pillar of its ideology, just like other anti-religious, anti-monarchist movements that were in the air at the same time (e.g. Communism). By the 1930s, Fascism was in the air. In the 21st century, religious nationalism is in the air.

    • Replies: @Agathoklis
    , @J
  16. Farenheit says:

    This is great. The more the rest of the world sees that refugee flows are now a political weapon, and the Turks are out, loud, and proud about brandishing it, the better for Americans to be able to argue that the left is using this same weapon here.

    They are, but they wont admit it, and the right to too “overton-ized” to call them out.

    A big honcho being so brazen about this perhaps will wake some folks up.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  17. @Reg Cæsar

    He’s not syrious, is he?

    Perhaps he expects Europe to greece his palm in one way or another.

  18. The Turks in America…..SEND THEM BACK!!!!!!

  19. Ibound1 says:

    Why is Europe trading with Turkey, why does Europe even have diplomatic relations with Turkey? This is a threat. God at least Trump would know how to respond to this – if the EU takes this, no wonder Erdogan thinks so little of them. If you don’t respect yourself, why should anyone respect you?

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  20. @Jack D

    Utter nonsense. The Ottoman, Young Turks and Kemalist Turks were willing to commit genocide which most civilised nations will not do. They disarmed the Christian population, ethnically cleansed them, raped and then slaughtered remaining ones in their millions. Obviously, you believe committing genocide against a mostly civilian population as willingness to fight.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  21. @Jack D

    Erdogan is really highlighting the lack of balls of most European politicians when dealing with refugees


    Why should Turkey continue to take the brunt of the Syrian refugees?

    Because European countries bribe them to do this.

  22. @Jack D

    Makes some sense,


    The best deal with Kurds would be if they had their own state.

    The Turks would not allow that.

    The Turks are a rather genocidal bunch. Just ask the Armenians. The Turks don’t want to give up an inch of territory for a Kurdish state. Nor would the Turks allow a Kurdish state carved out of Iraq and / or Syria.

    Of course one solution would be to have all the Kurds move to Holland and Wisconsin, and learn cheese making. Become the Cheese Kurds.

  23. @Reg Cæsar

    True, he is a Turk – German idiom etwas türken – to fake something.

    So – he could quite easily turk to be syrious, right?

  24. Anonymous[347] • Disclaimer says:

    • Replies: @International Jew
    , @Moses
  25. Wilkey says:

    He’s threatening to send more refugees to Europe just as Parliament may vote to hold another referendum on Brexit. Is he in cahoots with Boris Johnson or something?

  26. notsaying says:

    I suspect the 65% figure is highly exaggerated. I think that many families will come up with the money for the bronze-level Obamacare policy from the Healthcare Exchanges that I assume would be good enough to satisfy this requirement. As you can see at the link, all kinds of people here from overseas can participate in the Exchanges:

    I think it’s time that sponsors really become sponsors again and pay for what the sponsored people can’t and that would include healthcare.

    We should stop importing poverty, that’s for sure. That’s what’s been going on and the figures from your own link show that:

    According to the Migration Policy Institute, 34 percent of those recent green card recipients are uninsured, and another 31 percent have other health care benefits that don’t count as insurance under the proclamation, including Medicaid or insurance purchased with subsidies on an Affordable Care Act exchange.

    Some of those getting Medicaid would be refugees and asylum seekers who will not be affected by the insurance requirements or the new “public charge” executive order either. So we will continue to pay for them. OK, I can live with that. But not the chain migration immigration stuff where we end up stuck with all your poor relatives.

    • Replies: @Barnard
  27. @Paleo Liberal

    Of course one solution would be to have all the Kurds move to Holland and Wisconsin, and learn cheese making. Become the Cheese Kurds.

    Kurds know quite well how to make all kinds of cheese already; so your’s sounds like the perfect plan. They also know how to shoot, therefore Texas might b a good starting place for them. – Or Detroit? Why not – raise some goats there and sheep, might work! – If the Kurdish Detroit Renaissance will happen, people will think back to the 10. 11. and iSteve, where the magic idea was born. – These are the times of the miracles and wonders, these are the days of Steven Pinker’s heartfelt optimism. The world will be finally Getting so much better all the time!

    • LOL: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  28. istevefan says:

    “We will open the gates and send 3.6 million refugees your way,” Erdogan said in speech to lawmakers from his AK Party.

    Offhand there are two ways Europe could respond. First, they could actually use their military might to prevent these refugees entering Europe. Since they would presumably be streaming in from Turkey and the surrounds, it would be an even easier task than if they had to defend 360 degrees around Europe.

    Of course we all know this won’t happen.

    Second, Europe could threaten to expel Turkish residents in Europe back to Turkey.

    Of course we all know this won’t happen either.

    It’s kind of tough to mount a defense when you won’t even countenance the use of your most effective weapons.

  29. notsaying says:

    He can talk like that and it will make the Europeans think twice. None of them want another influx of refugees. But on the other hand he could end up risking his NATO membership. Would he want to do that?

    I don’t know what his calculations would be.

    I just looked it up and as of last year “57% of Turkish exports by value are delivered to European countries.” I’ll be glad when he’s not in charge of Turkey anymore, that much I do know.

    • Replies: @RobUK
  30. Barnard says:

    There will be many NGOs eager and willing to help them sign up for the those Bronze level Obamacare plans too. They may even find a way to funnel them money to help pay for it.

    • Replies: @notsaying
    , @Neuday
  31. @Paleo Liberal

    Yet 15 million Kurds are alive and kicking in Turkey. ‘Genocide’ has to have been the most overused word of this entire week.

    But yeah, we never belonged in Syria. If Americans really wanted the civil war over quickly we would have secretly backed Assad, or at least not armed his enemies. But can’t have a Russian puppet of a poor country hanging about, can we?

  32. Anonymous[292] • Disclaimer says:

    The Jewish-controlled West.

    “We can invade and occupy any part of the world regardless of international law, but YOU better not.”

  33. If ISIS and Al QUEDA are an existential threat to America…..why didn’t thousands and thousands of young White Men line up for blocks around the Army and USMC Recruiting Stations like they did during WW2?..In 1941…young men who were 4F would committed suicide because they couldn’t protect America….Why wasn’t a Military Draft brought back one week after 9/11?

    Our homosexual President George W Bush:”WE HAVE TO BE THERE…OR…ISIS AND AL QUEDA WILL COME HERE AND KILL US!!!…Not only that, ISIS and Al QUEDA want to come to America and at gunpoint they will take away White Males right to play and enjoy FANTASY FOOTBALL…..THEY WANT TO TAKE AWAY OUR FREEDOM!!!!”

    And this is way we must have an unending Wounded Warrior Project Infomercial occupation of Syria…Iraq….and Afghanistan….while Turkish “Americans” vote us into a White Racial Minority-White Racial Foreigner within the borders of America…

    How many of you out there agreed with our h0mosexual POTUS GEORGE W BUSH?

  34. going full Gaddafi. you never go full Gaddafi. but i tell you this. we haven’t had a new Quavaffe Steveism in a while.

  35. @Paleo Liberal

    Orhan Pamuk has written the novel Snow about the Kurds and Islam and secular Turkish leftists and revolutionaries and migrants and re-migrants and – the harsh weather conditions in an eastern Turkey winter in the city of Kars. He even touched the holy grail of European self-reflection by drawing parallels between Molière’s final play The Imaginary Invalid and the entanglements between all kinds of the Turkish state of mind – not least a strong death wish, often times in the suicidal and/or revolting variant (that string of motives in his novel is just great – as are his winter weather descriptions.

    Orhan Pamuk’s novel is great, but it offers no practical solution. Well, maybe it is great just because Pamuk offers no practical solution for any of the looming conflicts of Turkey. – And maybe that is one of the great qualities of Snow – that it frees us from the illusion, that there could be a patented solution right around the bend.

    (Reminds me of Philipp Zimbardo, who tried to help out Sicily for some time – and ended up sponsoring a poetry festival there as the best solution he could think of at the moment. – Ahh, Ka, the main character of Pamuk’s Snow is – – – a poet…)

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
  36. @J.Ross

    It’s possible for Soros to be right sometimes. China is not Libya, Syria, or some other small two-bit player on the world stage with a dictator who’s just holding back chaos. China is the future, at least for half the planet, and if they don’t open up, it’s going to be a grim future indeed–something we have a clear interest in, even, arguably, to the extent of war.

    • Disagree: Herbert West
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @dfordoom
    , @BB753
  37. Ano says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Some wit once said the ethnic conflict between Turk and Kurd would be put to an end if only the two peoples interbreed and became one people – the Turds.

    • Replies: @SFG
  38. We should have carved Kurdistan out of Iraq, Syria, and Turkey, given them weapons out the wazoo, and then left. Instead we just left. Now, it would be nice if Putin started fighting Turkey on the pretext of humanitarianism with a promise from Trump not to involve NATO, but I doubt that will happen.

  39. Whiskey says: • Website

    Europe has no choice but to surrender.

    First they are mostly led by women and gays.

    Second they have no weapons.

    Third they have no manpower.

    Erdogan may over reach. His military is second rate after the post coup purges. The Kurds will find Saudi money financing them also Israeli forces aiding them. Erdogan may invade Greece and Bulgaria which are weak …

    But that guarantees Hungary and Serbia to call on Putin to aid them against the Turks. Putin would love to be the protector of Eastern Europe and even better recover Constantinople. The greatest Czar ever … his domestic situation is uneasy.

  40. Abe says:

    Merkel will welcome them.

    Merkel, the experienced older hag to Obama in their real-life (but as of yet sadly only platonic) version of HAROLD & MAUDE/ALI: FEAR EATS THE SOUL told the Bundeswehr (still maker of the finest tank cannon in the world) to stand down while a million Muslim men marched into Germany because she could not stand to be seen as making anyone cry on TV. And then to rectify things was effectively going to give Turkey EU membership if it agreed to stop, rob, rough up, and otherwise deter through off-camera violence any more Muslims from coming.

    Many lesson here, but first is to never install a woman in the seat of Mars.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  41. notsaying says:

    I am not so sure about that, if you mean they will spend their own money on helping immigrants to acquire health insurance.

    It is very interesting that all the people who squawk about immigration laws never seem to volunteer to supply money to anything. They will go out looking for donated legal services to take the government to court to force the government to spend money on immigrants but they will never spend their own money on immigrants.


    Haven’t you noticed that? And yet a lot of people who are all-in for open borders have lots of money to spare, partly because they benefit from the use of cheap-labor immigrants themselves!

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  42. @notsaying

    I know some of those who donate quite a lot of money and give a lot of their time to help out refugees – and “refugees”. – Thing is: Most of it doesn’t really help – neither their time nor their money. I still wait for a learning curve to appear.

  43. istevefan says:

    Erdogan is, and has been, flooding Greece with refugees for many years to destabilise the nation for geopolitical purposes

    Didn’t the Greeks sit back and watch as the leaders of the only party who opposed this invasion were rounded up and put into jail?

    • Replies: @reactionry
  44. NOTA says:

    Isn’t the obvious answer to just say “Fine, but we’re zeroing out our aid budget to Turkey so we will have the money to care for all these refugees.”

    • Replies: @Houston 1992
  45. @Farenheit

    A big honcho being so brazen about this perhaps will wake some folks up.

    One would hope.

    In an earlier age with a less bamboozled population this:

    “We will open the gates and send 3.6 million refugees your way,” Erdogan said in speech to lawmakers from his AK Party.

    … sounds like an invasion threat. Opening Turkey’s gates is irrelevant, unless Turkey is forcing the neighbor’s gates open as well. That is called “invasion”.

    • Replies: @istevefan
  46. Does Syria have a Government? Just asking for a friend.

    • Replies: @Houston 1992
    , @J.Ross
  47. Now we’re talking Turkey. They’re playing hardball. People criticized that Hungary Border Fence, but they’re looking pretty smart right now, eh what?

  48. istevefan says:

    … sounds like an invasion threat. Opening Turkey’s gates is irrelevant, unless Turkey is forcing the neighbor’s gates open as well. That is called “invasion”.

    We are always being gaslit that immigration is beneficial because it leads to diversity, which is supposed to be a strength, and economic growth.

    If this were true why would Turkey just give those people away to others? Wouldn’t that be like throwing away money? Surely they would want to keep them so as to grow their economy.

    Yet Turkey doesn’t want them and is willing to spend blood and treasure to invade a neighbor to give those people a new place to live. And Turkey is so committed to getting rid of them, that they are threatening to dump them onto Europe if they are not allowed to resettle them in Turkish-controlled Syria.

    And the Europeans are probably going to end up giving tacit approval and even economic aid to Turkey to prevent the Turks from dumping those people into Europe. This is odd given the EU claims immigrants are a great benefit. If immigration was so beneficial the Europeans could just take those 3.6 million refugees right now and prevent a war.

    • Agree: jim jones, Herbert West
    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  49. Anon[229] • Disclaimer says:

    Soros has been hostile to and fighting China for more than 20 years, going back to the Asian financial crisis in 1997. Hong Kong was the one Asian market during the crisis that was able to stave off Soros’s attacks, because it was backed by Beijing.

    I’m not sure why we should risk a world war just to “open up” China for the likes of Soros. It seems much more sensible to divide the world into spheres of influence and gradually ramp down trade and reduce friction.

  50. @J.Ross

    Must find blackpill so I can whine how Trump hasn’t done anything.;)

    • LOL: Abe
  51. @Jack D

    Why should Turkey continue to take the brunt of the Syrian refugees?

    Because they’re right next door. That’s how a genuine refugee policy works, as opposed to a shopping trip.

    Refugees stay in tents across the border. Immigrants live in houses across the sea. Big difference.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @silviosilver
  52. @Anonymous

    Israelis have a lot of sympathy for the Kurds:
    1. As fellow rivals to the Arabs..
    2. Because there used to be a lot of Jews in “Kurdistan” and they got on well with the Kurds.

    But otherwise, Israel follows John Quincy Adams’ philosophy: “She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.”

  53. SFG says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    I’m not a fan of taking any more refugees at the present time, but I do have to admit we did leave the Kurds high and dry, much like the Montagnards in Vietnam.

    I agree a Kurdish state would probably be the best solution.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  54. SFG says:

    Yeah, and if another pair of enemies had become the Goos…

    Actually, screw that, they’d have a working A-bomb and all of Europe would be speaking Yiddish. Not to mention twenty types of kosher sausage.

  55. Hhsiii says:
    @Dieter Kief

    Too Turkish taffy deep for me. Sounds smart, though.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  56. djkdj says:

    Of course I don’t want Syrians in Israel any more than you do. That’s why I’m glad that Israel is encouraging them to overrun Germany and the rest of the rotten continent of Europe. Who cares what happens to you? Nobody who matters. Not that Syrians are awesome. It would be great if they disappeared the same time as you did but if they won’t disappear, at least it’s fun watching your daughters swell up with the fetuses of these fine strapping lads. I wonder how you daddys feel knowing that your little girls will be taking all sorts of colorful young….men up into their……homes.

    Giddyup Becky, GIDDYUP!

  57. Kronos says:
    @Jack D

    Syria (another phony Versailles created state – was there EVER a worse treaty?)

    Brought to you by the Woodrow Wilson School of International Affairs.

  58. Kronos says:

    As they say, the Kurds only friend are the mountains…

    • Replies: @reactionry
  59. Totally support the Sultan on this.
    Nearly 4 million suddenly released in Europe may just do the trick.

  60. OT-

    Local Oak Park, IL politics in the news…

  61. And the Western European leaders be all like “please don’t throw me in that briar patch Mr. Erdogan!”

  62. Moses says:

    I think by “humanitarian assistance” Netanyahu means “guns and explosives.”

  63. Ibound1 says:
    @Clifford Brown

    That’s as “on topic” as it gets. America is losing its mind and we are increasingly governed by insane people.

  64. @Hhsiii

    As far as the pros and cons of smart-bombing go, Pamuk rivals one of P. J.O’Rourke’s best pieces of reporting – the one about the Avenue Bar in Belfast – I have to look this one up: 1988, in Holidays in Hell.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
  65. @Asdf

    She’s just lucky the million weren’t as rapey as the Russians in ’45, though they are giving it a go. Back then, the Germans fought back; now, not so much.

  66. @Haruto Rat

    If the Russians attack Turkey from the rear, do you think Greece will help?

  67. @Paleo Liberal

    Or better yet, send them to the center of Vietnam. There, they would be known as the Kurds in Hue.

    • Agree: Paleo Liberal
  68. Hibernian says:

    Why is Europe in a military alliance, NATO, with Turkey? (And us, too.)

  69. @Haruto Rat

    Hellas will freeze over before Europeans act in their own interests.

  70. @Honesthughgrant

    Why cannot the Kurds simply transfer the ISIS fighters to the legitimate government of the “country?”

  71. @Clifford Brown

    Considering how many older white Chicagolanders were Warsaw Pact refugees, some in these men’s wards, she herself should shut up. Invite them in to speak.

  72. @NOTA

    No, because Turkey has leverage based upon multiple factors and all sides know it eg Turkey is a key member of NATO and hosts US military bases and presumably listening posts.

    Empire has its price, and Turkey l owe its perceived value

    The Turkish vote probably chooses the German chancellor , and the Turkish vote responds to Erdogan ‘s reccomendationa

    • Replies: @Lot
  73. @Reg Cæsar

    That sets a very dangerous precedent, however. Israel might actually be required to live up to its “light unto the nations” piffle.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  74. Anon[566] • Disclaimer says:

    I have a theory that Trump decided to pull out of the Middle East for a particular reason. It happened when this whole impeachment business started heating up. Democrats in Congress get massive donations from AIPAC. AIPAC is closely allied with the Israeli government and supports Israeli foreign policy.

    In other words, Trump is saying, “If you AIPAC guys keep funding my Democratic political enemies in Congress, I’ll do something in the Middle East that is your worst nightmare. I’ll destabilize it and make it a burning Muslim tire around your neck. I’ll make everyone in Israel wet their pants in terror as the Islamic avalanche pours towards them.”

    The timing is very peculiar indeed. It looks like Trump summoned his inner Tony Soprano to use leverage against Israel.

  75. @Jack D

    If we’re really fighting Satan in the ME, we’re going about it entirely wrong. Either obliterate, or allow him his due, as he’s taken here.

  76. @Anonymousse

    The courageous Kurds seem very nationalistic. I’m surprised the Israelis are so supportive of them. Our Jewish friends are generally horrified by any expression of nationalism. I’m confused.

    • Replies: @Lurker
  77. What are we saying about a people when the threat of sending them to your country is seen as a weapon?

    • Replies: @Kronos
  78. Altai says:
    @Clifford Brown

    I was wondering why she was so histrionic, thought maybe she was half Jewish or something. Nope, she has a black (Of light skin tone, lighter than the black mayor she also upbraided for his lighter skin privilege) husband and son. Father was a Presbyterian minister so religious fervour is something she must have learned at home and applied to her new one.

    Her gallery page has a few good ones.

    “I love to knit, especially pussy hats for the Women’s March in Washington”
    “I posted a FB invitation to protest after the Parkland shooting. Only Lee Goodman showed up. But n my mind it had to be done.”

    • Replies: @reactionry
  79. OT: Is Sue Gordon the #Whistleblower ?

    “This past June [2019] she addressed the attendees of the GEOINT Symposium, just after the birth of her first grandchild.” There, she read a letter written to her newborn granddaughter.
    It sounds like a confession before the mayhem.

    You can see this posted on her public FB page. The first time I read it was before the Ukraine call “whistleblower” allegations, and at the time I thought it was a strange as hell thing to write to an infant baby girl. In the context of SG possibly being the “whistleblower”, it makes a lot more sense.

    “The world is doing what it periodically does – it’s changing. And the change we
    are experiencing right now is a big one – it’s exciting. It’s scary for some, but not for you.

    “You see the world as it is. You were made for this moment.

    “Now, you will need to develop a craft. Something that you’re really good at.
    Something that you can offer the cause. And just when you get good at it, you’re
    going to have to develop it anew.
    You see, the craft is not the point of your endeavor. The craft is merely the vehicle
    for your outcome.

    “You have a responsibility to help your fellow human beings achieve their aims, inform
    their decisions. You want to share with them what you see and what you
    understand. And they will need things from you. And actually what they need from
    you will be more important than what you prefer to do.

    “I want you to know that you’re not alone. You’re part of something bigger.

    “You need to have an aim point though, but it is the implementation that counts.
    And that implementation depends on the environment in which you find yourself
    so never hold tight to that implementation.

    “And finally, you are a woman in the arena.
    Others will describe what ought to be done, you will be the one that leads and gets
    on with the doing.”
    -The Honorable Sue Gordon

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  80. Lagertha says:
    @Clifford Brown

    As a woman, I hate ugly women.

  81. @Agathoklis

    Why did Ottoman Christians allow this. This does not seem to refute Mao’s hypothesis that power comes from the barrel of a gun.

    • Replies: @Agathoklis
    , @Alden
  82. Lagertha says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    He is not. It is a show for all of Europe. I do detest that Americans do not take this seriously.

  83. Lagertha says:
    @Black Agnes

    I so agree! Sue Gordon is an issue to follow-up.

  84. MBlanc46 says:
    @Clifford Brown

    I’d be happened to see Oak Park nuked, but it would have to be pin-point, because I live only about five mikes away (and with a west wind).

  85. Lagertha says:

    talk about nuking anything make you be the idiot and asshole at the same time.

  86. J.Ross says:

    It has the same government it had on the day the CIA decided to destroy it, although it accepts that it cannot control all of its territory.

  87. Dan Hayes says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Paleo Liberal:

    “Cheese Kurds”

    I’m disappointed in you especially for such a terrible pun!

  88. Kronos says:

    Remember, if the mushroom cloud is bigger than your thumb your in trouble.

  89. @Agathoklis

    Obviously, you believe committing genocide against a mostly civilian population as willingness to fight.

    If commit genocide were all the Turks were capable of, then Gallipoli would have ended in the Allied occupation of Turkey. The genocide was possible only because the Turks proved that they were doughty fighters willing to trade serious casualties with any Western power that felt inclined to intervene. Just how severe were Turkish and Allied losses during the Gallipoli campaign? ~60,000 dead on each side. How many soldiers was the West willing to lose to stop genocide in its tracks? Not 60,000 soldiers’ worth.

    • Replies: @Agathoklis
  90. Kronos says:
    @Laurence Whelk

    Hey, it’s more cost-effective than Neutron Bombs.

    • Replies: @Laurence Whelk
  91. Dan Hayes says:


    Subjected to some 70 years of denazification therapy, that “seat of Mars” has long since been emasculated!

  92. @Clifford Brown

    “Equity,” huh? Hoo boy.

    Oak Park village board trustee Susan Buchanan @1:38 :

    It is TIME for THIS community to FACE equity! ENOUGH! And you stop it—you are a WHITE MALE!

    Timely article via @AndrewQuackson:

    Behind The Network Of Outside, Left-Wing Groups Pushing Racial Policies In Cities, Counties Across America

    Luke Rosiak
    October 8, 2019

    In cities and counties across America, local politicians have in recent months begun proposing comprehensive race-based policies such as redrawing school boundaries to dismantle schools with too many white or Asian students.

    They have pushed for radical changes that have roiled even liberal-leaning constituents. The justification on all of their lips is oddly similar: “Equity.” The same buzzwords appear again and again.

    “School board meetings suddenly became like Mad Libs. They started repeating certain phrases, jamming them into every sentence. It was very odd,” Margaret McCreary, a Fairfax County, Virginia, parent who eventually learned that the board members were using the “equity” language to push a proposal that could move her children out of their schools, told the Daily Caller News Foundation.

    “It seemed like they were all in cahoots to do something, but at first we didn’t know what to make of it, because we didn’t know what they were talking about,” she said.

  93. Kronos says:
    @Clifford Brown

    Even children these days are taught how to utilize language as power.

    Foucault might be proud.

  94. @Kronos

    Barbarians; the original biological weapons.

  95. @Anon

    Something big is happening, for sure.

    We wait to see what it is.

  96. Matra says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Of course one solution would be to have all the Kurds move to Holland and Wisconsin, and learn cheese making. Become the Cheese Kurds.

    There’s a dish in Quebec called Poutine Galvaude. Basically, poultry, usually chicken, and peas poutine. Some places serve turkey instead of chicken, especially at certain times of the year, such as Canadian Thanksgiving. And since that just happens to be this weekend there’s never been a better time for peas between turkey and curds.

  97. @Anon

    There are rumors around HK that Soros money is behind the ongoing, and increasingly ugly, protests/riots, i.e. he’s running another color revolution aimed at sowing discord sufficient to finally crack HK’s formidable financial defences.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @dfordoom
    , @Jack D
    , @nebulafox
  98. Lot says:
    @Houston 1992

    Without US bases in Turkey, how will NATO ever stop the Soviets from seizing the oil fields of the Persian Gulf? I hear they are also trying to overthrow the Shah.

    • LOL: XYZ (no Mr.)
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  99. Lot says:

    Why did Erdo let in 3.7m Syrians in the first place? Stopping all of them would be hard, but that’s a whole lot. Exactly zero entered Israel and the oil Arabs also said no.

    Cheap labor lobby? More hard core Sunni supporters in the big cities where his support is weakest?

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  100. Lot says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Soros is 89. I hope I am still scheming to destroy whole economies when I’m that age.

  101. dfordoom says: • Website

    China is the future, at least for half the planet, and if they don’t open up, it’s going to be a grim future indeed

    By “open up” I assume you mean surrender to neoliberalism and embrace decadence and degeneracy like the West.

    Good to know you’re on Team Soros.

    • Replies: @Anon
  102. Mr. Anon says:

    Europe should build a Berlin-Wall type wall along the border with Turkey and expel them from NATO.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @dfordoom
  103. @Neil Templeton

    One must understand how the Ottoman Empire operated even in its later stages. Although Christians controlled almost all trade, banking, artisanal activity, they were not allowed into the commanding heights of the military or government. In addition, they were not allowed to carry arms. Therefore, they were a relatively wealthy but largely defenceless population. And so, they were easy pickings for an aggressive and increasingly fervent Muslim population pumped up by Jihadism and later nationalism/fascism.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    , @Agathoklis
  104. @Johann Ricke

    The genocide was in full swing; particularly, for Armenians, before the Gallipoli campaign. And the strategic motivation for the Allies was not stopping the genocide but creating another front against the Axis.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @El Dato
    , @Alden
  105. @Hippopotamusdrome

    Cockroach Milk: What Must Happen For It To Become A ‘Superfood Trend’

    I’ll answer this in the manner of Yoda:

    Freeze over, Hell must. Yeeesss.

  106. Anon[566] • Disclaimer says:

    I never fail to be amazed at how much Soros resembles the Ayn Rand villain Ellsworth Toohey. Rand was certainly foresighted.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @britinara
  107. This video is quite relevant:

    • Replies: @El Dato
  108. @Agathoklis

    The point is, those actions, in themselves, are not what secured the existence of the Turkish republic. That republic was achieved by armies of Turks willing to risk death fighting off armies of non-Turks.

    • Replies: @oddsbodkins
  109. El Dato says:
    @Mr. Anon

    I think the “expelling from NATO” decision is up to the US.

    Europe should build a Berlin-Wall type wall along the border with Turkey

    You would have to start with a Berlin-Wall type right in Berlin nowadays.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  110. @istevefan

    [short answer to istevefan’s question: “Yes.” Long, stoopid answer follows]

    Updating Homer Simpson’s “Odyssey”* and Eugene Field’s “Holland Cheese Kurds Factory”**

    Nautical Nictitating

    Rosie fingered golden Dawn* – allegedly,
    Sharing berth and beer on wine-dark*** sea,
    Wynken, Blynken, sod, makes three

    – Humbert Horatio Humphrey,

    *** -too bad those tolerant, color-blind Greeks got blind-sided by the Turks

    Also see: Rosie and Dawn the Blonde were lesbians – “Wink, wink, know what I mean?”
    See also: ” From birth Homer was called Melesigenes or Melesagoras. Later he was called Homer in the Lesbian dialect because of the harm that came to his eyes–the Lesbians call the blind Homeroi.”

    “…rosy-fingered dawn -allegedly” – hat tips to Homer and Mary Jackson (The New English Review)

  111. El Dato says:
    @Herbert West

    I don’t agree with the point that “Neon Genesis Evangelion is a cartoon for children – don’t watch it!”

  112. @Agathoklis

    Actually, looking at Wikipedia articles, it looks like the British attempt to take Constantinople began 2/17/15 and the first date mentioned for killings of Armenians was 2/25/15.

    My general impression of WWI is that it was far more dynamic across huge distances than Americans think because we are accustomed to focusing on the stalemate on the Western Front.

    Okay, so this history professor says that ANZAC fleet left port in Greece for Gallipoli on April 23, 1915 and the main part of the Armenian genocide began hours later with the rounding up of Armenian intellectuals in Constantinople

    “War and genocide are often intertwined and this was particularly evident during the hours between April 24 and April 25. Would the Armenian community leaders have been arrested at that time if the Entente ships and troops had not been about to invade? Certainly, the Armenian community was already being targeted by the Young Turk nationalist regime. But the secrecy, violence, and sense of urgency of major wartime threats made committing such genocidal deeds more feasible.”

  113. El Dato says:

    Canada! No wait, Clown America!

    Four hours of virtue-signaling: Democratic candidates sweet-talk through soft ball questions in ‘equality’ town hall

    Beto O’Rourke and Warren got more spotlight than the others, with each fielding a question from transgender elementary school children.

    “My name is Jacob, and I’m a 9 year old transgender American. My question is ‘What will you do to make sure that kids like me feel safer in schools, and what do you think schools can do better to make sure that I don’t have to worry about anything but my homework?” asked the kid flanged by his activist mom.

    Worry about anything but your homework, son?

    I feel this kid will be mightily surprised about his future. Wiley Coyote on a traintrack kind of surprised. Maybe he could ally with La Greta and complained about “stolen childhoods”.

  114. El Dato says:

    And the strategic motivation for the Allies was not stopping the genocide

    I don’t think this is being implied.

    And the strategic motivation for the Allies was not stopping the genocide but creating another front against the Axis.

    That’s from another war entirely.

  115. Anonymous[190] • Disclaimer says:

    Maybe she knew him and he was.

  116. J says: • Website
    @Jack D

    That something exists does not mean that it should exist… In this case, Turkey today is the remnant of a large Medioeval empire, that was dismantled after WWI but its dissolution was not completed. A genius Jew, Ataturk, rallied the beaten forces of the Turkish nation and created the current state. The Eastern part should have been created as a Kurdish stte, but Ataturk succeeded in stopping its creation. Now we are watching the completion of this process. However, nothing is certain, it could well be that Erdogan succeeds in organizing the Turkish nation and re-establish parts of the Sultanate. I dont know. Fortunately, the Kurds are friends of Israel and the Turks are good people who never hated Jews. I wish well to both.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  117. Anonymous[277] • Disclaimer says:

    Middle Eastern instability is good for Israel. The more unstable the better. It’s Middle Eastern stability which is dangerous.

  118. @Paleo Liberal

    What´s that with the Armenians again?
    The Young Turks were roughly as Turkish as Deutsche Bank is deutsch.

  119. @Hhsiii

    Orhan Pamuk is much slower than O’Rourke, but well worth the time put into reading Snow. His Museum of Innocence is great too, but needs even more time / patience on the reader’s side. – But really not more than The Idiot, say. – And I learned more from Pamuk, maybe because since I had read Hubert Shelby’s Last Exit Brooklyn and Henry Roth’s Call it Sleep before I turned to Dostojewskij.

  120. @istevefan

    Hoping for a display of internal logic in the Establishment’s policies and pronouncements seems just a tad idealistic at this point. I can pretty much guarantee that very, very few GoodWhites are even aware of Erdogan’s threat, and fewer still would actually consider it a threat. Most watch the Colbert version of events before turning in for the night, safe and secure in the knowledge that it’s White Nazis that we have to worry about, and nothing more.

    What’s that you say? All Nazis are White? Well, so they are, son. So they are.

  121. @Kronos

    So it is not true that a Kurd in the sand is worth two in the (Hindu) Kush?
    – Paki Bashir

    Also see: Shoot out at the OK Goral

  122. @Altai

    Thinking Bigly?

    “Altai”? – smells like turkey – as in ancestral Turks, Mongols, Tatars, etc., etc. – born of the grey wolf and blue sky – from the Altai Mountains to the Ordos Loop-de-Doop –

    From Wikipedia: ” During the Russian Civil War, the Confederated Republic of Altai was established in 1917, and declared as the first step to rebuilding Genghis Khan’s Mongol Empire.”

    From “The March of the Barbarians” by Harold Lamb (1941) page 356:
    “The Mongols are waiting in their felt tents for the issue [WWII] to be decided. They are grouping around their yurt fires. And they are repeating a legend.
    They say: ‘When that which is harder than rock and stronger than the storm wind shall fail, the empires of the North Court and the South shall cease to be. When the White Tsar is no more, and the Son of Heaven has vanished, then the campfires of Genghis Khan will be seen again and his empire will stretch over the earth.’ ”

    Also see (I have not): The Secret History of the Mongols

  123. @Anon

    Occurred to me too. If the Establishment is going to bring Trump down, he’s going to take away their favorite toys: endless, ruinous overseas military misadventures. That’ll give them something to cry about. And he might actually (finally) be cutting immigration? For realz? They’re playing with fire, these fools. Love it.

  124. @Steve Sailer

    In 1914, before Turkey’s entry in WWI, between 100,000-200,000 Greeks were uprooted from coastal areas by the Turkish authorities, often relying on the huge contingent of Turkish refugees from the recently ended Balkan Wars for the dirty work. Perhaps it’s this that Agathoklis is referring to — although I wouldn’t describe this as a genocide in “full swing.”

    • Replies: @Alden
  125. RobUK says:

    None of them want another influx of refugees

    A small but significant minority do, and they are significant because they dominate the media and government.

  126. @Anon

    “I’ll do something in the Middle East that is your worst nightmare. I’ll destabilize it”

    I thought that was the general idea, not to have any other functional states with decent militaries in the region unless they are closely tied to the US, and to do that by getting other people doing the fighting. Seems to have worked for the last 40 years, pity about all the dead and wounded.

  127. @Agathoklis

    The biggest enabler of Turkish mutts has been the Empire Inc., all because of its rivalry with the Soviet Union. They were allowed to join NATO after mercenary sevices in the Korean War and sold modern weapons. Remember Incirlik Air Base in Turkey was the main U-2 spy plane flight base in the 1950s.

  128. Gordo says:

    I’m struggling to understand why we pay for an army, navy and air force.

    No-one is even attempting to defend our borders.

  129. @War for Blair Mountain

    What Erdogan and fellow thugocrats fear is fragmentation because Turkey is a mongrel nation like India.

    Despite Turkification you still have distinct groups like Abkhazians, Albanians, Alevis, Arabs, Armenians, Assyrians, Azerbaijanis, Boshnaks, Chechens, Circassians, Crimean Tatars, Gagauzes, Georgians, Greeks, Jews, Kurds, Laz, Levantines (of French, Genoese and Venetian descent), Macedonians, Ossetians, Pomaks (who speak a Bulgarian dialect), Roma/Gypsies, Turkmens etc.

  130. dfordoom says: • Website
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    There are rumors around HK that Soros money is behind the ongoing, and increasingly ugly, protests/riots, i.e. he’s running another color revolution aimed at sowing discord sufficient to finally crack HK’s formidable financial defences.

    I would have thought it was blindingly obvious that this is just another Soros color revolution, presumably backed by the U.S. Government as well.

  131. There is absolutely no reason to fear the Turks.

  132. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Mr. Anon

    Europe should build a Berlin-Wall type wall along the border with Turkey and expel them from NATO


    Europe should abandon NATO.

    • Replies: @Ibound1
  133. Anonymous[232] • Disclaimer says:

    Europe has a clear binary choice.
    1/. Unilaterally revoke the 1968 Addendum to the Geneva ‘Refugee’ Convention.
    2/. Accept destruction.

    Really is as simple as that.

  134. @J

    The problem with modern Turkey is that the population doesn’t seem to understand that it is a powerful economic and regional player because of Ataturk and not Islam.

    The same applies to Turkey’s admirers in the Islamic world, who see Turkey as an example to aspire to. They cannot understand that Islam has nothing to do with the reasons they admire Turkey and that Ataturk’s reforms do.

  135. Jake says:

    She’s not the only one. Macron will be ordered by his bankers to welcome them, as part of breaking the Yellow Vests. All ‘respectable’ people in the UK will welcome them as part of the plan to reject Brexit.

  136. Anonymous[232] • Disclaimer says:

    Don’t worry.

    If Corbyn gets elected in the next election, the UK will take them all. And they will get the ‘right to vote’, free housing, free healthcare and free cash merely by setting foot in the UK.

  137. Anonymous[232] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘Whey’ more Kurds coming to Europe to milk the welfare state.

  138. Jake says:

    England used Turkey in the 19th century to try to destroy Russia. From then on, the UK foreign policy establishment loved the idea of a new Turkey they could sell to the WASP-ruled masses as Modern.

  139. @Steve Sailer

    Please read the superb book, Thirty Year Genocide to understand that the systematic program to cleanse Anatolia of Christians began around the mid-1890s – significantly earlier than WWI.

  140. @Agathoklis

    Incorrect. Without the cleansing and extermination of Christians (Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians) from Anatolia, who often had strong connections to co-religionists in Europe and Russia – in addition the longer term problem of the Kurds, Alevi and Laz – a modern Turkish state and mobilisation of mostly Muslim militia forces would not have been possible.

  141. Jack D says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    This sounds like Chicom disinformation. The HK revolution doesn’t seem to require much money to run. It is “increasingly ugly” because the authorities refused to engage with peaceful protesters or listen to their pleas – apparently violence and money are the only languages that Beijing understands. From now on, any revolution that you don’t like is a “color revolution” and can be dismissed. I don’t think it’s that simple. Beijing and its supporters can’t seem to accept that there is such a thing as a People’s Revolution, which is strange considering its origin. Or maybe not so strange since Mao was originally a Moscow stooge until the gangsters had a falling out with each other.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @nebulafox
  142. Mr. Anon says:
    @El Dato

    I think the “expelling from NATO” decision is up to the US.

    Are not all the signatories equal? In theory, at least? Europe could start by expelling the U.S.

  143. Mr. Anon says:

    Without US bases in Turkey, how will NATO ever stop the Soviets from seizing the oil fields of the Persian Gulf? I hear they are also trying to overthrow the Shah.

    Why that isn’t the half of it. Without Turkey in our camp, what’s to prevent the Kaiser from building his Berlin to Baghdad railway?

    • LOL: Ibound1
  144. @Anonymousse

    think of how shitty the tacos in tel aviv must be

    • Replies: @Lot
  145. BB753 says:

    Thank God they’re still our staunch NATO allies! What does it take to get kicked out of NATO? Nuke another NATO country? By my reckoning, 3.6 rapefugees equal 4 nukes.

    • Replies: @Houston 1992
  146. Neuday says:

    Most refugees end up on Medicaid. It’s not like they show up with marketable skills. If a refugee fambly of 4 makes less than $34k, they qualify for Medicaid. Good thing we have so many middle-class wage slaves to pay for it.

  147. Lurker says:
    @Buck Ransom

    The Kurds are useful in continuing divisive conflict in Syria and at various times in Iraq, Iran and Turkey. The Kurds actually succeeding in getting a state would reduce conflict and thus reduce their usefulness.

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
  148. @Lurker

    It’s almost as if the Kurds are a minority being used — “weaponized,” as it were — by some outside force as a way of undermining their host nations.

  149. Anonymous[411] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Beijing and its supporters can’t seem to accept that there is such a thing as a People’s Revolution, which is strange considering its origin.

    Why would it be strange, considering that foreign backing and support were critical to the communist revolution in China?

    Senior US diplomats have met with the protest leaders. American politicians and government officials have voiced support for the protests. Major American NGOs such as the NED support the protests. American media extensively publicizes the protests. This kind of support from the world’s most powerful country is enough to make a difference.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  150. @BB753

    Yes, in case Turkey leaves NATO because they can buy better cheaper weapons from RU, then we should expedite the entry of Georgia and Ukraine into NATO to ensure that we can intercept Persian drones and missiles. We can call the U S army base Fort McCain or Fort Graham

    • Replies: @BB753
  151. @silviosilver

    They earned a fierce reputation, so that when Churchill in 1922 called on Canada to send troops to support his occupation of the Dardanelles, Canada told Churchill to screw off.

  152. Jack D says:

    Naturally Americans support freedom and democracy but this doesn’t mean that the HK Protests are some kind of CIA sponsored plot as Beijing would have you believe.

    This kind of support from the world’s most powerful country is enough to make a difference.

    I hope so.
    I don’t think the HK protesters really need American financial support, nor is American financial support of any real consequence to their movement. Of course they appreciate our moral support, which they richly deserve. Beijing would love it if the protestors felt demoralized and isolated and as if they had no friends in the world. The Chinese like to play these kind of mind games on their captives –
    thank God the people of HK are not yet behind the Great Firewall so that they still know the truth. Should we NOT support freedom and democracy just to make Beijing happy ?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @dfordoom
  153. BB753 says:
    @Houston 1992

    At least, Turkey won’t be part of an alliance which hurts Turkish interests, unlike most other NATO members, who act like lackeys of neocon USA, Israel and Saudi Arabia.

  154. The Chad Turk vs. The Virgin Eurocuck.

  155. Ibound1 says:

    The US should abandon NATO and our Turkish “ally”.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  156. nebulafox says:
    @Jack D

    The Hong Kong protesters are not there because of George Soros or the CIA, as Beijing no doubt would like.

    They are also not there-mostly-so that they can have a nice Western democracy, like the State Department and the American media would like.

    >From now on, any revolution that you don’t like is a “color revolution” and can be dismissed.

    And whose fault is it that Beijing can *credibly* get away with portraying such things as bad with the people of China? Every time a pinhead reporter or NGO or Senator or bureaucrat cheers on the protests, that just makes things worse.

    The Chinese these days hear VOA talking about democracy, and they mentally associate American talk about that with 1990s Russia or Yugoslavia, or 2000s Iraq, or 2010s Libya and Syria. (Or when they don’t, they associate it with India: not a positive image, either.) We need to take a good, long retirement from telling other people how to run their countries until we can run ours more functionally again.

    Now, if the CCP wants to try and censor American citizens or hijack our education system and media through manipulating weak elites, as they’ve been doing, then by all means, I’m happy to reach for the balls-cutting knife. America’s government can and should control its own people and land without any foreign interference. But things that go on within the PRC concerning their citizens: that’s their business.

    (Better yet in my opinion, it’s time to make life exceedingly unpleasant for oligarchs willing to kiss Beijing’s ass but giving Washington grief. This is a national security threat and needs to be treated as such. They threaten to move to China, by all means let them: they’ll figure out pretty quick that China’s gonna be far more controlling and insistent that they know their place than we ever are. I’ll bet anything that doing this would earn far more genuine respect from the nationalists in charge in Beijing than kowtowing and playing nice here, which merely earns contempt: we don’t need love, we need respect.)

    > Beijing and its supporters can’t seem to accept that there is such a thing as a People’s Revolution, which is strange considering its origin. Or maybe not so strange since Mao was originally a Moscow stooge until the gangsters had a falling out with each other.

    I’m not shocked. Modern China resembles what Chiang Kai-Shek (who also got his start thanks to Moscow) wanted far more than what Mao wanted. Authoritarian, nationalist, state capitalist, centralized, moderately socially conservative.

    Chiang actually has a popular image in the PRC these days, moreso than he does in Taiwan, where he’s got the dictator baggage.

    • Agree: Dtbb
  157. Hrw-500 says:
    @Louis Renault

    And we could wonder if Erdogan will bury Turkey? That reminds me of these videos about Elder Paisaos prophecies who talk of the end of Turkey posted in 2012 and 2013.

  158. nebulafox says:

    Nah, Erdogan’s got enough cheap labor and political support in the Anatolian countryside, he doesn’t need any more. If I had to guess, either State pushed him to accept the refugees or he thought this’d be an excellent threat to use to get the EU to comply with whatever he wanted. Erdogan is a bit like Trump in that he’s really got a thing for the ticking time bomb gambit.

    (I’m more interested in why the Gulfies said no. Well, not really: I know why they said no, as any iSteve denizen would. But I’m more interested in why nobody is beating them up over offering to build mosques in Germany for the migrants while taking in none themselves. Even with the woke media: you’ve never met more sexist, racist people in your life than Gulf Arabs. Anybody wants to show how much of a farce their ideology is, that’s a great go-to example when dealing with anybody convincable on anything.)

    My father told me stories about how the Turks would strafe the wretched Kurds as they fled the warzone in Iraq. Poor, miserable people, and we’ve been repeatedly hanging them out to dry ever since the 1970s. The fate of the Kurds is why I’m not a fan of giving rhetorical promises that we’ll never keep. JQA needs to be cited, over and over again.

  159. nebulafox says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Well, how is it going? I’m stuck back in the United States at the time being, so my pipeline of info on HK has run dry a bit.

    Re, your question earlier: I was living in Singapore, not Hong Kong, but I’d known enough people from there and had seen enough when I was there to intuit that the MSM didn’t understand the story beyond a superficial level. Hong Kong’s issues of upward mobility and screwing over 20/30-somethings have been apparent for some time now: Singapore faces many, if not all of the same issues. The split between the pro-PRC triad working stiffs/techies, the anti-PRC tycoon/youngster crowd, and the “silent majority” professionals also wasn’t that hard to detect. Analogies to America’s history abound.

    (Remember their inability to see Trump’s Rust Belt victories coming? Myself, I knew way too many people who voted for Obama before Trump to buy their line that his election-over an old white lady-was due to believing black people were apes or that Obama was a Kenyan Muslim atheist Commie. My subsequent reasoning: if the American media can’t be bothered to tell an accurate, nuanced story about elections in Pennsylvania, why would you expect them to get the story right about a society halfway around the globe?)

    • Replies: @Alden
  160. Hail says: • Website

    World War R

    There was another iSteve post titled “World War R,” in October 2013. (Steve began occasionally referring to things as “World War [Letter]” after the movie World War Z came on the scene [released: June 2013]).

    In the Oct. 2013 case, the R may have stood for ‘Redskins.’ In this (Oct. 2019) case, it appears to stand for ‘Refugees.’

    Idea: An elegant solution to the Redskins name problem that preserves the all-important first-letter and aligns to the iron will of left-wing sensibilities:

    Change the name of the team to The Washington Refugees.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  161. Anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Just as the protests probably aren’t exclusively some kind of US sponsored plot as Beijing might have us believe, they’re also not completely without US influence, unlike what Washington might have us believe. In fact, we already know that the latter is the case.

    There are plenty of places around the world, including domestically in the US, where “we”, that is our government and foreign policy, don’t support “freedom” and “democracy”, but rather oppose and are hostile to them.

  162. nebulafox says:

    >Change the name of the team to The Washington Refugees.

    The spirits of the haunted indigenous burial ground that FedEx Field is undeniably built over will not be appeased until Dan Snyder is sacrificed onsite, and a blood libation duly offered.

    • Replies: @Hail
  163. Hail says: • Website

    What if Snyder can prove that some of his ancestors were victimized in one or more anti-Jewish pogroms in the 19th century?

  164. nebulafox says:

    Then he will be used as a burnt offering, instead.

  165. britinara says:

    Cockroach Milk: What Must Happen For It To Become A ‘Superfood Trend’ ?

    Simple: get Gooble, Facebrick and Twatter behind it, call everyone who says it’s disgusting a raciss and then deplatform them. Game over.

  166. britinara says:

    Seems Rand understood the methods and motives of those who want power.

  167. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Jack D

    Should we NOT support freedom and democracy just to make Beijing happy ?

    Americans should just learn to keep out of the internal affairs of other countries.

    How’s American democracy going in America by the way? Maybe getting your own house in order would be a good idea.

  168. dfordoom says: • Website

    The US should abandon NATO

    I don’t care if it’s the Europeans or the Americans who pull the plug on NATO. As long as NATO dies.

    • Agree: Ibound1
  169. Rob McX says:

    And 3.6m ≈ 10m when they’ve sent for their relatives and dependents. And there are many in the European ruling class who would love to bring them in, with the added benefit that they could use the excuse that the Syrians were “forced” on them by Turkey.

    • Agree: BB753
  170. BB753 says:

    Yeah, because CIA-backed spring revolutions have been so successful at maintaining world peace, stability and creating democracy: Algeria, Egypt, Libya, Ukraine, etc.
    As for Hong Kong, let the Rothchilds and Rockefellers fight their own wars, if they fear their grasp on world finances is threatened by China. Let them recruit and pay their own spies and agitators, levy their own mercenary army if they want to fight. For one, I’m glad the globalist world order is doomed. Because China and Russia won’t play with geriatric trillionaire supervillains like Soros and Baron Rothschild. Their days are over.

  171. @Dieter Kief

    Or Detroit? Why not – raise some goats there and sheep, might work! – If the Kurdish Detroit Renaissance will happen, people will think back to the 10. 11. and iSteve, where the magic idea was born.

    On behalf of all 73 remaining White people in Detriot, let me say what a great idea this is! Especially when our 600,000 displaced negroes embark on their reverse great migration and move back to the sunny south whence their American adventure began.. We never asked for them, never wanted them, and it took them just 100 years to destroy the greatest industrial city in the world. Maybe the towelheads can at least produce some goat cheese, all the negroes ever produced was crime, destruction, and economic parasitism.

    • LOL: Dieter Kief
  172. Alden says:

    By Tuesday the 15th some Municipal Court Judge will order a preliminary injunction against Trump’s order. Would happen on Monday the 14th but it’s a holiday. By Friday 10/18 Trump’s order will be overturned.

    Soon we’ll have night and weekend court to overturn everything Trump tries to do.

    Amazing the difference between setting ordinary court dates and setting dates to overthrow Trump’s executive orders and the mildest immigration law enforcement.

    Immigration cases get an immediate date. Ordinary civil litigants wait months. I suspect every judge in the country including traffic keeps at least one morning a week clear so he or she can overturn any kind of immigration enforcement.

    Judges judges judges What is to be done?

    • LOL: BB753
  173. Alden says:

    Great post. I never believe anything in the MSM whether it’s about something that happened in my own town or anywhere in earth.

  174. Alden says:

    By the 1880s the Turkish government learned Armenians in Turkish territories were plotting with Russia about helping the Russians to invade and acquire parts of Turkey on the Russian border. The Turks cracked down hard. Lots of Armenians fled to Russia at that point.

    From then on, the Turks regarded Armenians as a subversive pro Russian force. The secular Jewish Young Turks hated Christianity even more than the official Muslim clergy did.

    By WW1 the Turks regarded their Armenians as a fifth column working with their Russian enemy. Armenians also had a lot of property and money that could be seized to finance the new secular modern Turkey.

  175. Alden says:

    Director screen writer Elia Kazan’s family came to America because of that expulsion of Greeks. He made a movie about it. Very depressing

    1922 the Turks did another mass expulsion of Greeks. Interesting that the Muslim Turks got along very well with all the Christians as long as the Christians remained peaceful submissive and loyal.

    But as soon the allegedly secular Young 🇮🇱 Turks seized power, Christian expulsions and genocide began. One wonders why.

  176. Alden says:
    @Neil Templeton

    The Turkish army did it. Armies consist of young armed trained military men. The Christians consisted of old and young men and women and children. The Christians didn’t have weapons and weren’t military trained.

    Picture 30o trained soldiers with weapons against a civilian village of a thousand. The civilian village has no weapons. The young men aren’t trained and organized in any kind of militia. Village is half men half women. Maybe half the men are over 5o under 14 they don’t have weapons. They aren’t expecting an attack.
    They aren’t organized no chain of command no contingency plans.

    The Armenians did have self defense militias and some weapons. Their resistance was useless. The genocide was not just putting down suspected dissidents. It wasn’t soldiers out of control after a battle. It wasn’t the standard 3 days of rape and pillage rewarded to soldiers after a victory.

    It was deliberate eradication of people the Young 🇮🇱 Turk government didn’t want in Turkey.

    Fascinating that after being conquerors for about a thousand years The Turks lost WW1 just a few years after the Young 🇮🇱 Turks overthrew the last Muslim Sultan

    I wonder how it happened that Turkey joined the losing side?

    • Replies: @Alden
  177. Alden says:

    Remembered something else. Most of the Turkish troops involved in the genocide were ethnic Kurds.

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