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Screenshot 2015-06-27 20.23.28Real solutions for real problems tend to run into diminishing marginal returns.

In contrast, victory in fights for the fun of it just up the urge for more victories. Nobody in Boston is bored with winning the Super Bowl. Instead, they’re working themselves into a lather that anybody anywhere doubts that the Pats followed every jot and tittle of the rulebook.

In political struggles for the sake of a boot stamping on a human face forever, middle-aged highly masculine autogynephilia fetishists are particularly prized victims of discrimination because the Evil Discriminators can’t see it coming ahead of time until Steve the Electrician suddenly announces he is, and has always been, Patricia the Female Impersonator on the Job and Don’t You Dare Use the Wrong Pronoun, Ever. The NYT reports on promising new fronts being opened up:

That application of existing law is still being tested in court and is more established for transgender workers than for gay and lesbian workers. In the past two years, the [EEOC] has successfully pursued 223 cases involving gay or transgender people who faced workplace harassment or other discrimination, gaining settlements or court orders, said Chai R. Feldblum, one of the agency’s five commissioners.

Steve Patricia

Patricia Dawson of Pangburn, Ark., 46, hopes to join that list. Ms. Dawson, who grew up as Steven, had more than 15 years’ experience as an industrial electrician and had been a rising employee at H & H Electric, an industrial contractor, for four years when she informed her boss in 2012 that she was transitioning to female and had changed her name.

So World War T promises years of fun.

 
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  1. Today at the CBC News site they’ve already switch over to Project Tranny:

    Gay marriage ruling a win for LGB, but transgender woes persist
    ‘It’s not just the LGB. There’s a T that we should care about,’ activist says

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gay-marriage-ruling-a-win-for-lgb-but-transgender-woes-persist-1.3130022

    I really like the picture at the top of the story. A comedy mocking social justice warriors would look exactly like that.

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    A comedy mocking social justice warriors would look exactly like that.

    Sure would. World War M (mystery meat).

    , @DCThrowback
    Nothing in that photo looks like happiness or self-satisfaction. There is going to be a humorless decade of this shit, run by angry, unhappy scolds no one likes.
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  2. seth says:

    I find the pronoun thing regarding transpeople to be the oddest of all. We hear constantly that it is important that we use the correct pronouns, that we ask what pronouns the transpeople prefer, etc etc.

    But how often, when you are talking to someone, do you refer to them in the third person? That is, when you are speaking to someone you use either their name or “you,” which is non-gendered.

    The whole battle of pronouns is about controlling how we refer to people who are likely not present. Completely totalitarian.

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    • Replies: @eah
    Political correctness is so yesterday. The age of pronoun correctness is upon ... err, us.
    , @The Z Blog
    The pronoun fetish is an effort to humiliate. A popular tactic on the Left since the French Revolution is to force the enemy to say publicly that which they know to be false. The Soviets were very fond of the forced confessions. Making the public at large state absurd things in public is a way to keep them from challenging authority. It's hard to be a rebel when you are knuckling under in public, referring to a man in a dress as "she".
    , @fish
    How about "it" when referring to them.

    Sure we consider that rude now but I'm sure we can rehabilitate "it"....err...it.
    , @AnotherDad

    I find the pronoun thing regarding transpeople to be the oddest of all.
     
    I think "it" captures their essence pretty well.
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  3. Jefferson says:

    “He noted that transgender people still face disproportionate amounts of violence,”

    That is because a high percentage of Lady Boys are street hookers in high crime neighborhoods. That is a very dangerous job.

    “The majority of the U.S. victims of hate-violence homicides in 2013 were transgender women, accounting for 72 per cent of victims, according to the National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs.”

    I am 100 percent certain that Cisgender on Transgender homicide/violence is not the number 1 most common hate crime in America, that would be Black on White. The difference is that Black on White homicide/violence is rarely classified as a hate crime while Cisgender on Transgender homicide/violence is always classified as a hate crime. If every instance of Black on White homicide/violence in America was statistically counted as a hate crime by the government, it would blow the Cisgender on Transgender violence rate out of the water.

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    You should post the picture of Patricia on the tractor. It’s pretty funny.

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  5. carol says:

    Recall how let down they were after the Viet Nam war ended…really long faces…lost and bored…general malaise tsk..

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  6. Why the battle over pronouns?

    Because we cannot enter the new world of Justice without a new language to enforce correct thought: Transpeak.

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  7. Jefferson says:

    Gay marriage is now legal in most predominantly White countries. Will the LGBT community now fight for the legalization of Gay marriage in predominantly Nonwhite countries, especially Muslim ones? Nonwhite 3rd world countries are full of Cis Scum Homophobes who have not yet been enlightened by SWPL Social Justice Warrior culture.

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  8. They are pushing allowing transgender in the military. They should allow every type of physically and mentally handicapped person on the front lines of the military now. Our enemies will tremble.

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    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    Maybe the strategy will be akin to Monty Python's Killer Joke skit....our enemies will die laughing.
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  9. Chai R. Feldblum

    Feldblum? LOL. You can’t make this stuff up.

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    You don't have to poke around long in the woodpile anymore.
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  10. Doin’ Right Ain’t Got No End

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  11. Rob McX says:
    @Cagey Beast
    Today at the CBC News site they've already switch over to Project Tranny:

    Gay marriage ruling a win for LGB, but transgender woes persist
    ‘It’s not just the LGB. There’s a T that we should care about,’ activist says

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gay-marriage-ruling-a-win-for-lgb-but-transgender-woes-persist-1.3130022

    I really like the picture at the top of the story. A comedy mocking social justice warriors would look exactly like that.

    A comedy mocking social justice warriors would look exactly like that.

    Sure would. World War M (mystery meat).

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  12. Jefferson says:

    Poor Rachel Dolezal, nobody in the media cares about her anymore ever since the Charleston shooting and the legalization of Gay marriage in all 50 states now overshadow her. Her 15 minutes of fame are already up.

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    Memory Holed by more recent events.
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  13. Lex Corvus says: • Website

    The picture caption shows how even the MSM has trouble keeping up with progressives’ endless linguistic shibboleths. CBC.ca writes that “Marchers supporting rights of transgendered people demonstrate in Greenwich Village,” but surely they meant transgender, not transgendered. The latter, of course, is transphobic, and is best avoided.

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    Like I said in the other thread, Newspeak requires a policy of steady slur inflation to keep the public on their toes and remind them who's boss. Eventually "transgender" will be verboten too, for the exact same reason that the article gives about "transgendered": the claim is that these people only ever felt like one gender, so they're not transgendered or transgender, they're misgendered-at-birth. You heard it here first. Use it in front of your friends and let them know you're ahead of the curve.
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  14. black sea says:

    If I’m a 42 year old corporate drone trapped in a cubicle but self-identify as a 22 year old skate punk, does this mean I can wear baggy shorts and a backwards baseball cap to work every day?

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    I think you should try it.....think of it as your own personal "Pride" weekend at work!

    Let us know how it goes!
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  15. NickG says:

    There is even a lady-man Royal Air Force pilot – naturally ‘she’ flies choppers.

    A Google image search on the name suggests something of an attention whore.

    Not to be outdone, the British army now has its first transgender serving officer.

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    Good one. The chopper pilot looks like one of Hugh Laurie's characters from A Bit of Fry and Laurie.
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  16. e says:

    Well, about the only way to bump the number of females in STEM fields is through the male to female tranny hires.

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    I know you were kidding, but that's actually been a good point. The IT field has always been full of sexually frustrated males, and I wouldn't be too surprised if a few of them start 'transitioning' to fill female quotas, particularly now that you can be 'non-op'--when the job ends, quit taking the hormones.
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  17. eah says:
    @seth
    I find the pronoun thing regarding transpeople to be the oddest of all. We hear constantly that it is important that we use the correct pronouns, that we ask what pronouns the transpeople prefer, etc etc.

    But how often, when you are talking to someone, do you refer to them in the third person? That is, when you are speaking to someone you use either their name or "you," which is non-gendered.

    The whole battle of pronouns is about controlling how we refer to people who are likely not present. Completely totalitarian.

    Political correctness is so yesterday. The age of pronoun correctness is upon … err, us.

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  18. frizzled says:

    I would like to see a hard-nosed discussion of how the mainstreaming of trans is likely to play out politically.

    Transgender is a fracture point for the mainstream left as the Dolezal brouhaha proved. To the extent that the mainstream left has to ‘explain’ transgender they have a problem. And to the extent the public’s accepted transgender, it’s because they haven’t realized what it entails, or think it’s the same thing as being gay (this is an astonishingly common attitude thanks to the use of ‘LGBT’ as politically correct synonym for ‘gay’).

    Transgender is especially bad for gays as trans causes hitched to gay rights as part of the ‘LGBT’ bandwagon are a poison pill. Marriage and nondiscrimination, fine, but letting men into their daughters’ change rooms?

    Most conservatives haven’t yet figured this out, because they’re consumed with attacking gays, but they will. Gay rights can be defended using the framing of equality and fairness. No such defense exists for transgender. The concept is incoherent, denies biological reality, and has obvious conflicts with a fixed conception of (e.g.) ethnic identity. It reduces human identity to wishful thinking. Of political importance, while conservatives may like the trans-ing of gay men, the much larger straight autogynephile ‘lesbian’ component also presents the most sexually threatening stereotype imaginable.

    The smarter conservatives can even co-opt the language and philosophical positions of different factions seeking social justice to judo them into attacking each other. If I were really a skilled operator, I could probably do that without actually advocating any anti-feminist, anti-trans, or pro-racism sentiment at all. Like, “Hey I’m cool with oppressed groups X, Y and Z, but let’s talk about how X is bad for oppressing Y, and Y is bad for oppressing Z, and how everyone is bad for not recognizing the even tinier, more oppressed group represented by (say) Rachel Dolezal.”

    I hope some here are thinking about this.

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    A large fraction of high-profile trans are Republican or Libertarian.
    , @Steve Sailer
    A lot of what frizzled says makes since, but it's pretty easy for the MSM to simply ignore the obvious contradictions.
    , @SFG
    "The concept is incoherent, denies biological reality, and has obvious conflicts with a fixed conception of (e.g.) ethnic identity. It reduces human identity to wishful thinking. "

    I'm not saying you're wrong, but remember conservatives said the same stuff at the start of the gay rights movement a few decades ago.
    , @Jason Roberts
    Maybe the public today doesn't fully accept transgender causes. But, based on the footage yesterday of all the gay pride marches seeming to show a majority of the participants to be under 30, the public tommorrow surely will.
    , @kaganovitch
    "The concept is incoherent, denies biological reality, and has obvious conflicts with a fixed conception of (e.g.) ethnic identity. It reduces human identity to wishful thinking. "

    In 'der Wille zur Macht' worldview of SJW, this is not a bug ,it's a feature.
    , @AnotherDad

    Gay rights can be defended using the framing of equality and fairness. No such defense exists for transgender. The concept is incoherent, denies biological reality, and has obvious conflicts with a fixed conception of (e.g.) ethnic identity. It reduces human identity to wishful thinking.
     
    The whole homosexuality is "=" to normal sexuality denies biological reality too--as basically and obviously as you can get if one grasps the biology of sex.

    I don't dispute that some political traction may be there. Homosexuals are a much larger group and most folks attitude would be "oh you're screwed up ... (insert varying levels of disgust) ... ok ... shit happens i guess". While the trannies are a much tinier group, in the full on case, don't just misuse but *mutilate* their bodies and then demand that the majority do "let's pretend Jack is Jackie".

    But let's be honest here, once you've denied basic biology by claiming homosexuals are "=" ... the game is over. Biological reality is off the table.

    And hey, these folks are *victims*. They are trapped in the wrong bodies. It's not their fault. Have some sympathy. Don't be a hater! Don't oppress.
    , @e
    Marriage and nondiscrimination, fine, but letting men into their daughters’ change rooms

    Ridiculous, yes? But what of children born from using the sperm of a man paid $$$, with the sperm placed in a turkey baster, and shot up into a vagina?

    My best friend's niece, a lesbian, so she says, did that 14 months ago. She's 26, is living with an ugly old woman of 50 who looks 65, and this child that's been born, a little boy, will never know a father.

    Way to go, America! (The niece is the offspring of heavy meth users--dad committed suicide ...or not--was found dead in the garage with fishing line around his neck. Sexual thing?)

    For all her likely psychological problems, my friend's niece would likely NEVER have had a child in this way unless the media told her America approved. She's hardly the rebellious type, believe it or not.

    , @unpc downunder
    I used to have a cross-dressing landlord when I lived in London so I'll come in from another angle.

    The majority of hetero transsexuals are cross-dressers who have wandered off the larger cross-dressing reservation, and now think they are actual women, as opposed to guys who just dress up as women for fun. In statistical terms they are only a small proportion of the hetero tranny population but they've suddenly become media starlets.

    In contrast to flamboyant homosexuals with their gay narcissism parades, cross-dressers usually just act girly in private or through highly secretive clubs, like Triess and the Beaumont Club (think the Masons, but with everyone dressed like their aunts).

    Why the right liberal media (headed by the Daily Mail) has got in behind transsexuals is still a mystery. One possibility it that autogynephiliac baby-boomers want a return to the pre-gaydar and gangsta rap days of the early 70s when straight white guys could look and act like girls without being laughed at. However, I'd agree the liberal left may well have bitten off more than it can chew by suddenly allowing heterosexual transsexuals into the LGBT movement as the political shit could fly in many directions.

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  19. HLMunchkin says: • Website
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Chai R. Feldblum
     
    Feldblum? LOL. You can't make this stuff up.

    You don’t have to poke around long in the woodpile anymore.

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  20. @frizzled
    I would like to see a hard-nosed discussion of how the mainstreaming of trans is likely to play out politically.

    Transgender is a fracture point for the mainstream left as the Dolezal brouhaha proved. To the extent that the mainstream left has to 'explain' transgender they have a problem. And to the extent the public's accepted transgender, it's because they haven't realized what it entails, or think it's the same thing as being gay (this is an astonishingly common attitude thanks to the use of 'LGBT' as politically correct synonym for 'gay').

    Transgender is especially bad for gays as trans causes hitched to gay rights as part of the 'LGBT' bandwagon are a poison pill. Marriage and nondiscrimination, fine, but letting men into their daughters' change rooms?

    Most conservatives haven't yet figured this out, because they're consumed with attacking gays, but they will. Gay rights can be defended using the framing of equality and fairness. No such defense exists for transgender. The concept is incoherent, denies biological reality, and has obvious conflicts with a fixed conception of (e.g.) ethnic identity. It reduces human identity to wishful thinking. Of political importance, while conservatives may like the trans-ing of gay men, the much larger straight autogynephile 'lesbian' component also presents the most sexually threatening stereotype imaginable.

    The smarter conservatives can even co-opt the language and philosophical positions of different factions seeking social justice to judo them into attacking each other. If I were really a skilled operator, I could probably do that without actually advocating any anti-feminist, anti-trans, or pro-racism sentiment at all. Like, "Hey I'm cool with oppressed groups X, Y and Z, but let's talk about how X is bad for oppressing Y, and Y is bad for oppressing Z, and how everyone is bad for not recognizing the even tinier, more oppressed group represented by (say) Rachel Dolezal."

    I hope some here are thinking about this.

    A large fraction of high-profile trans are Republican or Libertarian.

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  21. @frizzled
    I would like to see a hard-nosed discussion of how the mainstreaming of trans is likely to play out politically.

    Transgender is a fracture point for the mainstream left as the Dolezal brouhaha proved. To the extent that the mainstream left has to 'explain' transgender they have a problem. And to the extent the public's accepted transgender, it's because they haven't realized what it entails, or think it's the same thing as being gay (this is an astonishingly common attitude thanks to the use of 'LGBT' as politically correct synonym for 'gay').

    Transgender is especially bad for gays as trans causes hitched to gay rights as part of the 'LGBT' bandwagon are a poison pill. Marriage and nondiscrimination, fine, but letting men into their daughters' change rooms?

    Most conservatives haven't yet figured this out, because they're consumed with attacking gays, but they will. Gay rights can be defended using the framing of equality and fairness. No such defense exists for transgender. The concept is incoherent, denies biological reality, and has obvious conflicts with a fixed conception of (e.g.) ethnic identity. It reduces human identity to wishful thinking. Of political importance, while conservatives may like the trans-ing of gay men, the much larger straight autogynephile 'lesbian' component also presents the most sexually threatening stereotype imaginable.

    The smarter conservatives can even co-opt the language and philosophical positions of different factions seeking social justice to judo them into attacking each other. If I were really a skilled operator, I could probably do that without actually advocating any anti-feminist, anti-trans, or pro-racism sentiment at all. Like, "Hey I'm cool with oppressed groups X, Y and Z, but let's talk about how X is bad for oppressing Y, and Y is bad for oppressing Z, and how everyone is bad for not recognizing the even tinier, more oppressed group represented by (say) Rachel Dolezal."

    I hope some here are thinking about this.

    A lot of what frizzled says makes since, but it’s pretty easy for the MSM to simply ignore the obvious contradictions.

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    Logically everything that frazzled says makes sense but that has nothing to do with the reality of the situation which is that the elites have decided that SSM is the law of the land.

    I read these comments and I can see that reality hasn't settled in. Guess what guys, Christianity is now an outlaw religion. If you think that I am exaggerating, think harder. SSM violates Christian morality, end of story. A Christian cannot in good conscience support this state.

    All this "peak left" and "fracture point" stuff is ludicrous. Nothing fractures power. Please tell me, frazzled, or Steve, or anyone here, what you are going to do about this.

    Buy a confederate flag? Big deal.

    Go to a confederate flag rally? Big deal, join 40 other nobodies.

    Forbid your kid from registering for the draft? Do you have kids? My guess is most people here don't, and if they do, their kids will register for the draft.

    Not serve in the Armed Forces? Derb's kid volunteered.

    Face it guys, you are living in a totalitarian state run by, for and about homosexuals. Forget BRA. That's cute, but it's not true. Blacks aren't doing all that well when you drill down to the reality. This is more like GRA: Gay Run America. Pray that one away.

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  22. 22pp22 says:

    Does the NYT ever do any actual investigative journalist these days, like the Daily Mail?
    I looked down the first page of a copy and it was a bunch of silly people sharing their neuroses, nothing more. The newspaper of record, my arse.

    If you actually get to live the while LGBT life as I did in my teens with my father, it is crushingly DULL. You keep thinking to yourself: Would you please, just for once, take an interest in something other than your genitalia.

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    He wasn't interested in clothes, interior design, modern art or opera?
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  23. @Lex Corvus
    The picture caption shows how even the MSM has trouble keeping up with progressives' endless linguistic shibboleths. CBC.ca writes that "Marchers supporting rights of transgendered people demonstrate in Greenwich Village," but surely they meant transgender, not transgendered. The latter, of course, is transphobic, and is best avoided.

    Like I said in the other thread, Newspeak requires a policy of steady slur inflation to keep the public on their toes and remind them who’s boss. Eventually “transgender” will be verboten too, for the exact same reason that the article gives about “transgendered”: the claim is that these people only ever felt like one gender, so they’re not transgendered or transgender, they’re misgendered-at-birth. You heard it here first. Use it in front of your friends and let them know you’re ahead of the curve.

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    the claim is that these people only ever felt like one gender, so they’re not transgendered or transgender, they’re misgendered-at-birth.

    So maybe after they get sex-reassignment surgery they will be called "True-gendered."
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  24. SFG says:
    @e
    Well, about the only way to bump the number of females in STEM fields is through the male to female tranny hires.

    I know you were kidding, but that’s actually been a good point. The IT field has always been full of sexually frustrated males, and I wouldn’t be too surprised if a few of them start ‘transitioning’ to fill female quotas, particularly now that you can be ‘non-op’–when the job ends, quit taking the hormones.

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  25. SFG says:
    @frizzled
    I would like to see a hard-nosed discussion of how the mainstreaming of trans is likely to play out politically.

    Transgender is a fracture point for the mainstream left as the Dolezal brouhaha proved. To the extent that the mainstream left has to 'explain' transgender they have a problem. And to the extent the public's accepted transgender, it's because they haven't realized what it entails, or think it's the same thing as being gay (this is an astonishingly common attitude thanks to the use of 'LGBT' as politically correct synonym for 'gay').

    Transgender is especially bad for gays as trans causes hitched to gay rights as part of the 'LGBT' bandwagon are a poison pill. Marriage and nondiscrimination, fine, but letting men into their daughters' change rooms?

    Most conservatives haven't yet figured this out, because they're consumed with attacking gays, but they will. Gay rights can be defended using the framing of equality and fairness. No such defense exists for transgender. The concept is incoherent, denies biological reality, and has obvious conflicts with a fixed conception of (e.g.) ethnic identity. It reduces human identity to wishful thinking. Of political importance, while conservatives may like the trans-ing of gay men, the much larger straight autogynephile 'lesbian' component also presents the most sexually threatening stereotype imaginable.

    The smarter conservatives can even co-opt the language and philosophical positions of different factions seeking social justice to judo them into attacking each other. If I were really a skilled operator, I could probably do that without actually advocating any anti-feminist, anti-trans, or pro-racism sentiment at all. Like, "Hey I'm cool with oppressed groups X, Y and Z, but let's talk about how X is bad for oppressing Y, and Y is bad for oppressing Z, and how everyone is bad for not recognizing the even tinier, more oppressed group represented by (say) Rachel Dolezal."

    I hope some here are thinking about this.

    “The concept is incoherent, denies biological reality, and has obvious conflicts with a fixed conception of (e.g.) ethnic identity. It reduces human identity to wishful thinking. ”

    I’m not saying you’re wrong, but remember conservatives said the same stuff at the start of the gay rights movement a few decades ago.

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  26. @frizzled
    I would like to see a hard-nosed discussion of how the mainstreaming of trans is likely to play out politically.

    Transgender is a fracture point for the mainstream left as the Dolezal brouhaha proved. To the extent that the mainstream left has to 'explain' transgender they have a problem. And to the extent the public's accepted transgender, it's because they haven't realized what it entails, or think it's the same thing as being gay (this is an astonishingly common attitude thanks to the use of 'LGBT' as politically correct synonym for 'gay').

    Transgender is especially bad for gays as trans causes hitched to gay rights as part of the 'LGBT' bandwagon are a poison pill. Marriage and nondiscrimination, fine, but letting men into their daughters' change rooms?

    Most conservatives haven't yet figured this out, because they're consumed with attacking gays, but they will. Gay rights can be defended using the framing of equality and fairness. No such defense exists for transgender. The concept is incoherent, denies biological reality, and has obvious conflicts with a fixed conception of (e.g.) ethnic identity. It reduces human identity to wishful thinking. Of political importance, while conservatives may like the trans-ing of gay men, the much larger straight autogynephile 'lesbian' component also presents the most sexually threatening stereotype imaginable.

    The smarter conservatives can even co-opt the language and philosophical positions of different factions seeking social justice to judo them into attacking each other. If I were really a skilled operator, I could probably do that without actually advocating any anti-feminist, anti-trans, or pro-racism sentiment at all. Like, "Hey I'm cool with oppressed groups X, Y and Z, but let's talk about how X is bad for oppressing Y, and Y is bad for oppressing Z, and how everyone is bad for not recognizing the even tinier, more oppressed group represented by (say) Rachel Dolezal."

    I hope some here are thinking about this.

    Maybe the public today doesn’t fully accept transgender causes. But, based on the footage yesterday of all the gay pride marches seeming to show a majority of the participants to be under 30, the public tommorrow surely will.

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    Maybe the public today doesn’t fully accept transgender causes. But, based on the footage yesterday of all the gay pride marches seeming to show a majority of the participants to be under 30, the public tommorrow surely will.


    As long as the young have an easy life in this country, they'll find the time to "care" about stuff like this simply because the young love feeling as if they have power. The cause is usually secondary to any opportunity to yell, scream, profess inquality and unfairness, and generally feel self-righteous about themselves and their generation.

    Barack Obama and his people understood their power--they made the actual act of going to the voting booth on Election Day into a PARTY. Yep, contact young people by using social media months in advance, "friend" them, remind them again and again of the meeting place, and POW, on Election Day, give them time and place again where they are to meet, vote, and party.

    Any culture that combines fast and easy communication with butt-licking of young people is in trouble, forever. Never should have raised the voting age, never. Today's 26 year old is younger emotionally than last generation's 17 year old.

    Money in their pockets from mom and dad...mistake.
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  27. It won’t just provide entertainment but many tangible benefits for the elite:
    as some wiseacre commentator on this blog pointed out, as long as big companies wave the rainbow flag of sodomy, they can continue to loot the economy to their hearts content. SJW will not be occupying wall street- they’ll be terrorizing family run pizzerias in Indiana and occopying st. patricks.

    Most people aren’t even aware that big international banks drove greece into dept to further loot the economy, just like they used to do to poor farmers in east europe….

    endless $$ lawsuits for the trial lawyers.. after all, even the holocaust is getting tapped out- they are down to suing rail companies the Nazis used.

    turning sjw on the last resistance to absolute global elite rule -the civic minded middle class – hell they might even be so thorough that they finally get rid of the Amish.

    SJW and even average millienials see sj and racism as so important that ‘freedom of speech’ and other dead white male concepts take a back seat.

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    It won’t just provide entertainment but many tangible benefits for the elite:
    as some wiseacre commentator on this blog pointed out, as long as big companies wave the rainbow flag of sodomy, they can continue to loot the economy to their hearts content.

    And also get the reluctant on board with sticking it to Russia by flying the rainbow flag, courtesy of their State Department-funded "dissidents" .

    , @Karl
    >>> hell they might even be so thorough that they finally get rid of the Amish.


    The Old Order Mennonites have the world's biggest Pussy Pass.


    none of you can show me a SJW who talks shit about the Amish. To find that, you'd have to read what the Amish write about themselves. Their newspaper is __The Budget__
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  28. The Z Blog says: • Website
    @seth
    I find the pronoun thing regarding transpeople to be the oddest of all. We hear constantly that it is important that we use the correct pronouns, that we ask what pronouns the transpeople prefer, etc etc.

    But how often, when you are talking to someone, do you refer to them in the third person? That is, when you are speaking to someone you use either their name or "you," which is non-gendered.

    The whole battle of pronouns is about controlling how we refer to people who are likely not present. Completely totalitarian.

    The pronoun fetish is an effort to humiliate. A popular tactic on the Left since the French Revolution is to force the enemy to say publicly that which they know to be false. The Soviets were very fond of the forced confessions. Making the public at large state absurd things in public is a way to keep them from challenging authority. It’s hard to be a rebel when you are knuckling under in public, referring to a man in a dress as “she”.

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    Quite right. Humiliation ensures compliance.
    , @AnotherDad

    A popular tactic on the Left since the French Revolution is to force the enemy to say publicly that which they know to be false.
     
    A big bail of truth in your paragraph there.

    Excellent comment Z.
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  29. JayMan says: • Website
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    Relevant to all this:

    The Rise of Universalism | JayMan’s Blog

    So, Jayman, does that mean you support the Supreme Court's ruling on gay marriage? How about gay marriage itself?
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  30. @frizzled
    I would like to see a hard-nosed discussion of how the mainstreaming of trans is likely to play out politically.

    Transgender is a fracture point for the mainstream left as the Dolezal brouhaha proved. To the extent that the mainstream left has to 'explain' transgender they have a problem. And to the extent the public's accepted transgender, it's because they haven't realized what it entails, or think it's the same thing as being gay (this is an astonishingly common attitude thanks to the use of 'LGBT' as politically correct synonym for 'gay').

    Transgender is especially bad for gays as trans causes hitched to gay rights as part of the 'LGBT' bandwagon are a poison pill. Marriage and nondiscrimination, fine, but letting men into their daughters' change rooms?

    Most conservatives haven't yet figured this out, because they're consumed with attacking gays, but they will. Gay rights can be defended using the framing of equality and fairness. No such defense exists for transgender. The concept is incoherent, denies biological reality, and has obvious conflicts with a fixed conception of (e.g.) ethnic identity. It reduces human identity to wishful thinking. Of political importance, while conservatives may like the trans-ing of gay men, the much larger straight autogynephile 'lesbian' component also presents the most sexually threatening stereotype imaginable.

    The smarter conservatives can even co-opt the language and philosophical positions of different factions seeking social justice to judo them into attacking each other. If I were really a skilled operator, I could probably do that without actually advocating any anti-feminist, anti-trans, or pro-racism sentiment at all. Like, "Hey I'm cool with oppressed groups X, Y and Z, but let's talk about how X is bad for oppressing Y, and Y is bad for oppressing Z, and how everyone is bad for not recognizing the even tinier, more oppressed group represented by (say) Rachel Dolezal."

    I hope some here are thinking about this.

    “The concept is incoherent, denies biological reality, and has obvious conflicts with a fixed conception of (e.g.) ethnic identity. It reduces human identity to wishful thinking. ”

    In ‘der Wille zur Macht’ worldview of SJW, this is not a bug ,it’s a feature.

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  31. ic1000 says:

    Following some links brought me to a re-read of Mark Minter’s comment on Steve’s 4/17/15 post “23 Writers with Messages for Straight White Male Publishing”. In discussing the influences of Wagner and Nietzsche on German culture, Minter quotes a 1999 NYT book review:

    Politically, it was a view with some alarming consequences, of which Wagner’s rabid anti-Semitism was the most obvious. ["Will to Madness" author Joachim] Kohler thinks that Nietzsche was as bad as Wagner in this regard. Both despaired of, and despised, the comfortable bourgeois society in which they lived; both harbored astounding visions of its destruction in torrents of blood and its replacement by a society in which godlike heroes treated the masses with a kindly contempt. As to why the age seemed so indifferent to these archaic heroic ideals, the answer was that a Jewish spirit of commercial moneymaking had rotted German culture.

    The bolded sentence carried me back to the WWG/WWT theme of the current post. It seems to capture the sentiment of the progressive elites and the Social Justice movement towards their host society.

    To the extent that this is so, discovering that the Constitution sanctifies gay marriage (or crushing the evil schemes of cisgendered white male landlords) will stoke rather than slake appetites. The vanguard of the SJW movement recognizes that the Wreckers are on the run:

    I’m overjoyed that, as you put it, a climate of fear exists for fascists, misogynists, racists, and similar. I hope that this continues and only worsens for these people.

    There is little novelty in the yearning for Year One (or is it Year Zero?) among the godlike and heroic wearers of boots, and their sycophants.

    Except, of course, to amnesiacs.

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  32. Luke Lea says: • Website

    From Justice Kennedy’s ruling:

    “Changed understandings of marriage are characteristic of a Nation where new dimensions of freedom become apparent to new generations, often through perspectives that begin in pleas or protests and then are considered in the political sphere and the judicial process.”

    “The limitation of marriage to opposite-sex couples may long have seemed natural and just, but its inconsistency with the central meaning of the fundamental right to marry is now manifest. With that knowledge must come the recognition that laws excluding same-sex couples from the marriage right impose stigma and injury of the kind prohibited by our basic charter.”

    Lubos Motl has some good thoughts on the subject: http://goo.gl/BRbRgw

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    “Changed understandings of marriage are characteristic of a Nation where new dimensions of freedom become apparent to new generations, often through perspectives that begin in pleas or protests and then are considered in the political sphere and the judicial process.”
     
    Is it possible that the Elites are in the process of replacing old, useful. freedoms with shiny new worthless freedoms?

    Bread and circuses.
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  33. @Cagey Beast
    Today at the CBC News site they've already switch over to Project Tranny:

    Gay marriage ruling a win for LGB, but transgender woes persist
    ‘It’s not just the LGB. There’s a T that we should care about,’ activist says

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gay-marriage-ruling-a-win-for-lgb-but-transgender-woes-persist-1.3130022

    I really like the picture at the top of the story. A comedy mocking social justice warriors would look exactly like that.

    Nothing in that photo looks like happiness or self-satisfaction. There is going to be a humorless decade of this shit, run by angry, unhappy scolds no one likes.

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  34. WhatEvvs [AKA "Prada Yada Yada"] says:
    @Steve Sailer
    A lot of what frizzled says makes since, but it's pretty easy for the MSM to simply ignore the obvious contradictions.

    Logically everything that frazzled says makes sense but that has nothing to do with the reality of the situation which is that the elites have decided that SSM is the law of the land.

    I read these comments and I can see that reality hasn’t settled in. Guess what guys, Christianity is now an outlaw religion. If you think that I am exaggerating, think harder. SSM violates Christian morality, end of story. A Christian cannot in good conscience support this state.

    All this “peak left” and “fracture point” stuff is ludicrous. Nothing fractures power. Please tell me, frazzled, or Steve, or anyone here, what you are going to do about this.

    Buy a confederate flag? Big deal.

    Go to a confederate flag rally? Big deal, join 40 other nobodies.

    Forbid your kid from registering for the draft? Do you have kids? My guess is most people here don’t, and if they do, their kids will register for the draft.

    Not serve in the Armed Forces? Derb’s kid volunteered.

    Face it guys, you are living in a totalitarian state run by, for and about homosexuals. Forget BRA. That’s cute, but it’s not true. Blacks aren’t doing all that well when you drill down to the reality. This is more like GRA: Gay Run America. Pray that one away.

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    That all seems correct Prada Yada Yada. Eventually school children and possibly even adults will be required to demonstrate their knowledge of and proficiency in homosexual acts before a properly credentialed government inspector. If you complain, you will go to the gulag.
    , @Robbie
    The Military is a place for kids not smart enough to do anything else.

    I don't blame them...the rise of the Asian secretarial class has pushed masculine personalities out of sciences and the like...

    But ultimately...and even historically...the Military is kinda a place for losers

    They'll never admit it...but it's true.

    If you've got the financial means to go to college and you choose the military...u've got bigger problems then Gay Marriage, Jews or anything else
    , @big red
    The only clever option I can see now is to support economic populism. We gave big business everything they wanted and they stabbed us in the back (conservatives). It's time for us to return the favor unless they get right, and fast.
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  35. Luke Lea says: • Website
    @JayMan

    Relevant to all this:

    The Rise of Universalism | JayMan’s Blog

    So, Jayman, does that mean you support the Supreme Court’s ruling on gay marriage? How about gay marriage itself?

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    So, Jayman, does that mean you support the Supreme Court’s ruling on gay marriage? How about gay marriage itself?
     
    I'm indifferent. It matters little to me either way.
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  36. To recount my comment from a previous posting- why doesn’t anyone here realize the obvious benefits of relatively right-wing transgender taking over the left from within? I personally feel far more threatened by butch feminists asking my wife to whore herself to prove her independence, and tetchy scolds monitoring my work speech for sexism, than I do from a few trannies.

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  37. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    In housing?

    Homos who led the way in gentrifying cities by driving blacks out?

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  38. Busby says:

    Even though it may appear to be irrational, I choose to believe this is the high water mark of the American left. Shorter version- it’s all downhill from here.

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    I don't think so. By its very nature the Left cannot come to a stop. It has to keep pushing, and keep reminding people who's in control. Many of its "achievements" over the years have had no practical purpose other than to demoralise people by making them accept them (as commenter Z Blog noted earlier). All you can be sure of is that there are worse things on the way.
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  39. Stealth says:

    via Drudge:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/27/us-usa-shooting-south-carolina-race-insi-idUSKBN0P70FA20150627

    Over the years, five members of her family have been killed by guns: her two brothers, at the ages of 28 and 38; her nephew, at 19; her niece, at 16; and her niece’s mother, at 28.

    …by guns. Not with guns. Left-wingers really are crazy. Liberals like to talk about “sensible” gun control, but language like this is the reason no conservative – and rightly so – is willing to consider any measure of gun control. Why give an inch to these loons?

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    You raise an interesting issue. The guns that spontaneously killed this persons family members....well...there should be a "prison" for them.

    The sentient homicidal firearm is truly a menace and should be dealt with using the sternest methods the law allows.
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  40. @WhatEvvs
    Logically everything that frazzled says makes sense but that has nothing to do with the reality of the situation which is that the elites have decided that SSM is the law of the land.

    I read these comments and I can see that reality hasn't settled in. Guess what guys, Christianity is now an outlaw religion. If you think that I am exaggerating, think harder. SSM violates Christian morality, end of story. A Christian cannot in good conscience support this state.

    All this "peak left" and "fracture point" stuff is ludicrous. Nothing fractures power. Please tell me, frazzled, or Steve, or anyone here, what you are going to do about this.

    Buy a confederate flag? Big deal.

    Go to a confederate flag rally? Big deal, join 40 other nobodies.

    Forbid your kid from registering for the draft? Do you have kids? My guess is most people here don't, and if they do, their kids will register for the draft.

    Not serve in the Armed Forces? Derb's kid volunteered.

    Face it guys, you are living in a totalitarian state run by, for and about homosexuals. Forget BRA. That's cute, but it's not true. Blacks aren't doing all that well when you drill down to the reality. This is more like GRA: Gay Run America. Pray that one away.

    That all seems correct Prada Yada Yada. Eventually school children and possibly even adults will be required to demonstrate their knowledge of and proficiency in homosexual acts before a properly credentialed government inspector. If you complain, you will go to the gulag.

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  42. IBC says:
    @NickG
    There is even a lady-man Royal Air Force pilot - naturally 'she' flies choppers.

    A Google image search on the name suggests something of an attention whore.

    Not to be outdone, the British army now has its first transgender serving officer.

    Good one. The chopper pilot looks like one of Hugh Laurie’s characters from A Bit of Fry and Laurie.

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  43. fish says:
    @seth
    I find the pronoun thing regarding transpeople to be the oddest of all. We hear constantly that it is important that we use the correct pronouns, that we ask what pronouns the transpeople prefer, etc etc.

    But how often, when you are talking to someone, do you refer to them in the third person? That is, when you are speaking to someone you use either their name or "you," which is non-gendered.

    The whole battle of pronouns is about controlling how we refer to people who are likely not present. Completely totalitarian.

    How about “it” when referring to them.

    Sure we consider that rude now but I’m sure we can rehabilitate “it”….err…it.

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  44. fish says:
    @black sea
    If I'm a 42 year old corporate drone trapped in a cubicle but self-identify as a 22 year old skate punk, does this mean I can wear baggy shorts and a backwards baseball cap to work every day?

    I think you should try it…..think of it as your own personal “Pride” weekend at work!

    Let us know how it goes!

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  45. IBC says:

    Where does India fit into the ̶A̶l̶p̶h̶a̶b̶e̶t̶ Culture Wars? Not too long ago, their Supreme Court upheld a 19th century law that classifies sodomy as a felony, and yet recently, it’s also ruled that transgenders (hijra) are a legally recognized third gender. Maybe Thomas Friedman could put up a column about this.

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  46. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Luke Lea
    From Justice Kennedy's ruling:

    “Changed understandings of marriage are characteristic of a Nation where new dimensions of freedom become apparent to new generations, often through perspectives that begin in pleas or protests and then are considered in the political sphere and the judicial process.”



    “The limitation of marriage to opposite-sex couples may long have seemed natural and just, but its inconsistency with the central meaning of the fundamental right to marry is now manifest. With that knowledge must come the recognition that laws excluding same-sex couples from the marriage right impose stigma and injury of the kind prohibited by our basic charter."

    Lubos Motl has some good thoughts on the subject: http://goo.gl/BRbRgw

    “Changed understandings of marriage are characteristic of a Nation where new dimensions of freedom become apparent to new generations, often through perspectives that begin in pleas or protests and then are considered in the political sphere and the judicial process.”

    Is it possible that the Elites are in the process of replacing old, useful. freedoms with shiny new worthless freedoms?

    Bread and circuses.

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  47. When it comes to opinions on all these issues there seems to be a massive difference based on age.

    Too bad virtually all Unz columnists are 50+ (and I’m being nice).

    I’m guessing that the same applies to commenters.

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    "anony-mouse says:

    When it comes to opinions on all these issues there seems to be a massive difference based on age.

    Too bad virtually all Unz columnists are 50+ (and I’m being nice).

    I’m guessing that the same applies to commenters."

    Too bad that you youngsters are stupid, gullible dips**ts.
    , @The most deplorable one
    Are you alluding to the fact that young people are pretty clueless?
    , @Corrections Officer
    I'm mid 20's, and I think there are others like me who are as adamant in their opposition of the American far left's endless march to power.

    Most of my contemporaries are starting new families, and generally run “republican-light” in their political viewpoints. However, my young white male peers in the law enforcement community I work in have a distinct sort of apathy to all these subjects: be it gay marriage, interracial crime, or immigration. They get immensely uncomfortable when I bring any of these subjects up, even though I myself try and speak of these things in terms that would not bring me undue harmful attention. They do not disagree with me, instead agreeing with me in half-handed ways before getting into crime-think disclaimers like “I'm not a racist but...” or with gay marriage “well, modern marriage was ruined anyways before gays got around to it.”

    I think today's young conservative White is learning how to navigate the minefield of a country emulating soviet style propaganda and methods of humiliation control. Today's young liberals are learning the ways of “constant revolution,” and being adept at purging the ranks of those not leftist enough and the witch hunts necessary to keep the system too distracted doing any sort of harmful self-introspection.

    There is something interesting about this whole gay marriage thing though: I get a sense, especially amongst the Christians, that they are realizing that America is really a one party state. The rulers of the U.S. are invade the world, invite the world, sodomize the world and that's it. The Republicans simply want veto-power to get their piece of the pie, with the “grand purpose” of 21st century America never being questioned.
    , @AnotherDad

    When it comes to opinions on all these issues there seems to be a massive difference based on age.
     
    There's two, maybe three big things here:

    1) Massive PC indoctrination. Probably Hollywood more than the schools.

    2) Age, and particularly parenthood, makes people "smarter"--more realistic--especially about biological stuff.

    I was always a "nature" guy, but my lefty brother was much more of a blank slater ... until he had a difficult colicky baby. Hey, *that* can't be nurture!

    Even before that, it's pretty hard for one--even if you didn't grasp it from the sex act itself--to deny the profound biological difference between men and women when one is either watching your wife swelling up with a child, or swelling up with a child yourself.

    Finally ... you're just seen more life, observed more reality. That might make you sympathetic to a live-and-let-live tolerant philosophy. But it doesn't tend to dispose folks to noisy pushy utopian fantasies.

    3) Finally, having children tends to make one more "traditional"
    First you directly want a safe environment for your children. Physically safe. But also including--for the sane parents--not having the inappropriate, crazy and ugly rubbed in their faces.

    But secondly, you have an appreciation that you are not just an antonymous individual but a link in a big chain of life, stretching from your ancestors to your children and beyond. You realize you are handing over not just your genes, but your culture, your civilization to your children. And that those things both shaped who you are, but have great value that you want to preserve and pass on. It makes you less inclined to piss on the past.
    , @Anonym
    Nope. I've since moderated my views somewhat since my twenties though.
    , @Luke Lea
    "When it comes to opinions on all these issues there seems to be a massive difference based on age." Also know as experience. The younger generation are naive about the importance of marriage in establishing the biological family as a social institution, as indeed they are about the importance of the family in the acculturation of children. I wonder how many of the five justices who ruled in favor of gay marriage came from broken homes?
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  48. Mr. Anon says:
    @anony-mouse
    When it comes to opinions on all these issues there seems to be a massive difference based on age.

    Too bad virtually all Unz columnists are 50+ (and I'm being nice).

    I'm guessing that the same applies to commenters.

    “anony-mouse says:

    When it comes to opinions on all these issues there seems to be a massive difference based on age.

    Too bad virtually all Unz columnists are 50+ (and I’m being nice).

    I’m guessing that the same applies to commenters.”

    Too bad that you youngsters are stupid, gullible dips**ts.

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  49. Mr. Anon says:
    @The Z Blog
    The pronoun fetish is an effort to humiliate. A popular tactic on the Left since the French Revolution is to force the enemy to say publicly that which they know to be false. The Soviets were very fond of the forced confessions. Making the public at large state absurd things in public is a way to keep them from challenging authority. It's hard to be a rebel when you are knuckling under in public, referring to a man in a dress as "she".

    Quite right. Humiliation ensures compliance.

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  50. @oh its just me
    It won't just provide entertainment but many tangible benefits for the elite:
    as some wiseacre commentator on this blog pointed out, as long as big companies wave the rainbow flag of sodomy, they can continue to loot the economy to their hearts content. SJW will not be occupying wall street- they'll be terrorizing family run pizzerias in Indiana and occopying st. patricks.

    Most people aren't even aware that big international banks drove greece into dept to further loot the economy, just like they used to do to poor farmers in east europe....

    endless $$ lawsuits for the trial lawyers.. after all, even the holocaust is getting tapped out- they are down to suing rail companies the Nazis used.

    turning sjw on the last resistance to absolute global elite rule -the civic minded middle class - hell they might even be so thorough that they finally get rid of the Amish.

    SJW and even average millienials see sj and racism as so important that 'freedom of speech' and other dead white male concepts take a back seat.

    It won’t just provide entertainment but many tangible benefits for the elite:
    as some wiseacre commentator on this blog pointed out, as long as big companies wave the rainbow flag of sodomy, they can continue to loot the economy to their hearts content.

    And also get the reluctant on board with sticking it to Russia by flying the rainbow flag, courtesy of their State Department-funded “dissidents” .

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  51. Mr. Anon says:

    “NickG says:

    There is even a lady-man Royal Air Force pilot – naturally ‘she’ flies choppers.

    A Google image search on the name suggests something of an attention whore.

    Not to be outdone, the British army now has its first transgender serving officer.”

    I suppose that patriotards could not find any objection to such a thing – after all these are brave men (women, lady-boys, whatever) who are “defending our freedom” by killing brown people in the never-ending war against whatever it is we are making war upon today.

    We are now exporting our degeneracy to the wide-world at bayonet point. When we (the west) fall, we will get some idea just how much they like us for it.

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  52. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    “Too bad virtually all Unz columnists are 50+ (and I’m being nice).”

    They don’t make em like they used to.

    Reading most Gen Xers and millennials is pointless.

    They never matured into manhood.

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  53. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    Some people think that the Dark Lord Soros is behind it all.

    I must say that the graphic at the end is pretty good.

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  54. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @anony-mouse
    When it comes to opinions on all these issues there seems to be a massive difference based on age.

    Too bad virtually all Unz columnists are 50+ (and I'm being nice).

    I'm guessing that the same applies to commenters.

    Are you alluding to the fact that young people are pretty clueless?

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    Clueless or clued-in 50 years from now they're what's going to be around.

    Unz.com (or equivalent) in 2065 may be reading these articles with a rude smile.
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  55. @WowJustWow
    Like I said in the other thread, Newspeak requires a policy of steady slur inflation to keep the public on their toes and remind them who's boss. Eventually "transgender" will be verboten too, for the exact same reason that the article gives about "transgendered": the claim is that these people only ever felt like one gender, so they're not transgendered or transgender, they're misgendered-at-birth. You heard it here first. Use it in front of your friends and let them know you're ahead of the curve.

    the claim is that these people only ever felt like one gender, so they’re not transgendered or transgender, they’re misgendered-at-birth.

    So maybe after they get sex-reassignment surgery they will be called “True-gendered.”

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  56. @seth
    I find the pronoun thing regarding transpeople to be the oddest of all. We hear constantly that it is important that we use the correct pronouns, that we ask what pronouns the transpeople prefer, etc etc.

    But how often, when you are talking to someone, do you refer to them in the third person? That is, when you are speaking to someone you use either their name or "you," which is non-gendered.

    The whole battle of pronouns is about controlling how we refer to people who are likely not present. Completely totalitarian.

    I find the pronoun thing regarding transpeople to be the oddest of all.

    I think “it” captures their essence pretty well.

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  57. Robbie says:
    @WhatEvvs
    Logically everything that frazzled says makes sense but that has nothing to do with the reality of the situation which is that the elites have decided that SSM is the law of the land.

    I read these comments and I can see that reality hasn't settled in. Guess what guys, Christianity is now an outlaw religion. If you think that I am exaggerating, think harder. SSM violates Christian morality, end of story. A Christian cannot in good conscience support this state.

    All this "peak left" and "fracture point" stuff is ludicrous. Nothing fractures power. Please tell me, frazzled, or Steve, or anyone here, what you are going to do about this.

    Buy a confederate flag? Big deal.

    Go to a confederate flag rally? Big deal, join 40 other nobodies.

    Forbid your kid from registering for the draft? Do you have kids? My guess is most people here don't, and if they do, their kids will register for the draft.

    Not serve in the Armed Forces? Derb's kid volunteered.

    Face it guys, you are living in a totalitarian state run by, for and about homosexuals. Forget BRA. That's cute, but it's not true. Blacks aren't doing all that well when you drill down to the reality. This is more like GRA: Gay Run America. Pray that one away.

    The Military is a place for kids not smart enough to do anything else.

    I don’t blame them…the rise of the Asian secretarial class has pushed masculine personalities out of sciences and the like…

    But ultimately…and even historically…the Military is kinda a place for losers

    They’ll never admit it…but it’s true.

    If you’ve got the financial means to go to college and you choose the military…u’ve got bigger problems then Gay Marriage, Jews or anything else

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    Who do you think is running the military? One of Amy Chua's tiger cubs joined the army.
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  58. @The most deplorable one
    Are you alluding to the fact that young people are pretty clueless?

    Clueless or clued-in 50 years from now they’re what’s going to be around.

    Unz.com (or equivalent) in 2065 may be reading these articles with a rude smile.

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    Irony--your handle.

    The mouse, the lab rodent, is soon to be responsible for what will be the undoing of " the movement."

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  59. OT, Steve, but I found a Confused-American who’s whiter than Rachel Dolezal:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/24/chanda-prescod-weinstein_n_7574020.html

    And she’s gay and Jewish and married to a man….

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    LOL Chanda is a hugely popular twitter SJW and (unsurprisingly) she's extremely annoying- humorless and pretentious. Her mother is Jamaican black so she's been vetted by black twitter. She spends a lot of time chastising fellow astrophysicists for their racism and has been especially outspoken lately about blocking the TMT telescope at Mauna Kea. Her favorite hashtag is #decolonizeSTEM
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  60. @frizzled
    I would like to see a hard-nosed discussion of how the mainstreaming of trans is likely to play out politically.

    Transgender is a fracture point for the mainstream left as the Dolezal brouhaha proved. To the extent that the mainstream left has to 'explain' transgender they have a problem. And to the extent the public's accepted transgender, it's because they haven't realized what it entails, or think it's the same thing as being gay (this is an astonishingly common attitude thanks to the use of 'LGBT' as politically correct synonym for 'gay').

    Transgender is especially bad for gays as trans causes hitched to gay rights as part of the 'LGBT' bandwagon are a poison pill. Marriage and nondiscrimination, fine, but letting men into their daughters' change rooms?

    Most conservatives haven't yet figured this out, because they're consumed with attacking gays, but they will. Gay rights can be defended using the framing of equality and fairness. No such defense exists for transgender. The concept is incoherent, denies biological reality, and has obvious conflicts with a fixed conception of (e.g.) ethnic identity. It reduces human identity to wishful thinking. Of political importance, while conservatives may like the trans-ing of gay men, the much larger straight autogynephile 'lesbian' component also presents the most sexually threatening stereotype imaginable.

    The smarter conservatives can even co-opt the language and philosophical positions of different factions seeking social justice to judo them into attacking each other. If I were really a skilled operator, I could probably do that without actually advocating any anti-feminist, anti-trans, or pro-racism sentiment at all. Like, "Hey I'm cool with oppressed groups X, Y and Z, but let's talk about how X is bad for oppressing Y, and Y is bad for oppressing Z, and how everyone is bad for not recognizing the even tinier, more oppressed group represented by (say) Rachel Dolezal."

    I hope some here are thinking about this.

    Gay rights can be defended using the framing of equality and fairness. No such defense exists for transgender. The concept is incoherent, denies biological reality, and has obvious conflicts with a fixed conception of (e.g.) ethnic identity. It reduces human identity to wishful thinking.

    The whole homosexuality is “=” to normal sexuality denies biological reality too–as basically and obviously as you can get if one grasps the biology of sex.

    I don’t dispute that some political traction may be there. Homosexuals are a much larger group and most folks attitude would be “oh you’re screwed up … (insert varying levels of disgust) … ok … shit happens i guess”. While the trannies are a much tinier group, in the full on case, don’t just misuse but *mutilate* their bodies and then demand that the majority do “let’s pretend Jack is Jackie”.

    But let’s be honest here, once you’ve denied basic biology by claiming homosexuals are “=” … the game is over. Biological reality is off the table.

    And hey, these folks are *victims*. They are trapped in the wrong bodies. It’s not their fault. Have some sympathy. Don’t be a hater! Don’t oppress.

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  61. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Chinese used to bind women’s feet. It is now seen as terrible, even evil.

    But now we say it’s courageous and noble for men to cut off their thingy and get a fake vagina. Or for women to mutilate their vaginas and get fake penises.

    We say Muslim female circumcision is wrong, but cutting off penises or mutilating vaginas for ‘sex change’ is great.

    I wonder…

    what if a Chinese-American girl voluntarily decided to bind her feet.

    what if a Muslim-American girl voluntarily decided to ‘circumcise’ her vagina.

    Would that be cool?

    How about we campaign to have Obama undergo a ‘sex change’ operation?

    He is something of a cun* of the elite.

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    The question, as Lenin put it, is "Who, Whom?"

    Who decides whose body is altered? Chinese women didn't get to decline foot-binding. Caitlyn (formerly Bruce) Jenner will, in all likelihood, choose of her own volition, to have her penis and testicles removed.

    And if a Chinese-American girl voluntarily decided to bind her feet and a Muslim-American girl voluntarily decided to ‘circumcise’ her vagina, with what law could it prevented?
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  62. JayMan says: • Website
    @Luke Lea
    Relevant to all this:

    The Rise of Universalism | JayMan’s Blog

    So, Jayman, does that mean you support the Supreme Court's ruling on gay marriage? How about gay marriage itself?

    So, Jayman, does that mean you support the Supreme Court’s ruling on gay marriage? How about gay marriage itself?

    I’m indifferent. It matters little to me either way.

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    The real question is whether you are indifferent to the trashing of the legal system, destruction of the Constitution, and particularly loss of the 1st Amendment's guarantee of Freedom of Association, in the name of "equality."
    , @Terrahawk
    Don't worry, you will be made to care.
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  63. @The Z Blog
    The pronoun fetish is an effort to humiliate. A popular tactic on the Left since the French Revolution is to force the enemy to say publicly that which they know to be false. The Soviets were very fond of the forced confessions. Making the public at large state absurd things in public is a way to keep them from challenging authority. It's hard to be a rebel when you are knuckling under in public, referring to a man in a dress as "she".

    A popular tactic on the Left since the French Revolution is to force the enemy to say publicly that which they know to be false.

    A big bail of truth in your paragraph there.

    Excellent comment Z.

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    "A popular tactic on the Left since the French Revolution is to force the enemy to say publicly that which they know to be false."

    This is true of all political systems. Ask Galileo.

    Christianity is especially a deceitful system since it revolutionized political morality.

    Prior to and outside Christian system, those with power admitted they had the power and were about power.

    Under the Christian system, the powerful associated themselves with the 'weak' and 'victimized'.

    In that sense, current PC has its roots in Christianity more than in Judaism. It's just that Jews psychologically grasped its essence and exploited it better than anyone else.
    , @Whiskey
    And that tactic tends to fail, spectacularly, without massive resources as men refuse to fight for a power that humiliates them, or fight well. Stalin very nearly lost, to an enemy fighting on multiple fronts with not much logistics to speak of.

    People think that fighting does not matter. That armed conflict is just gone. Because, Coca-Cola, Pepsi, and Blue Jeans or something.

    There are diminishing marginal returns to humiliating your enemies; it just incubates the desire for revenge ever hotter.
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    Homos and trannies are the 'new eunuchs' of the globalist agenda.

    No wonder Emperors Koch Brothers, Sheldon Adelson, and George Soros loves them.

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  65. @anony-mouse
    When it comes to opinions on all these issues there seems to be a massive difference based on age.

    Too bad virtually all Unz columnists are 50+ (and I'm being nice).

    I'm guessing that the same applies to commenters.

    I’m mid 20′s, and I think there are others like me who are as adamant in their opposition of the American far left’s endless march to power.

    Most of my contemporaries are starting new families, and generally run “republican-light” in their political viewpoints. However, my young white male peers in the law enforcement community I work in have a distinct sort of apathy to all these subjects: be it gay marriage, interracial crime, or immigration. They get immensely uncomfortable when I bring any of these subjects up, even though I myself try and speak of these things in terms that would not bring me undue harmful attention. They do not disagree with me, instead agreeing with me in half-handed ways before getting into crime-think disclaimers like “I’m not a racist but…” or with gay marriage “well, modern marriage was ruined anyways before gays got around to it.”

    I think today’s young conservative White is learning how to navigate the minefield of a country emulating soviet style propaganda and methods of humiliation control. Today’s young liberals are learning the ways of “constant revolution,” and being adept at purging the ranks of those not leftist enough and the witch hunts necessary to keep the system too distracted doing any sort of harmful self-introspection.

    There is something interesting about this whole gay marriage thing though: I get a sense, especially amongst the Christians, that they are realizing that America is really a one party state. The rulers of the U.S. are invade the world, invite the world, sodomize the world and that’s it. The Republicans simply want veto-power to get their piece of the pie, with the “grand purpose” of 21st century America never being questioned.

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  66. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @AnotherDad

    A popular tactic on the Left since the French Revolution is to force the enemy to say publicly that which they know to be false.
     
    A big bail of truth in your paragraph there.

    Excellent comment Z.

    “A popular tactic on the Left since the French Revolution is to force the enemy to say publicly that which they know to be false.”

    This is true of all political systems. Ask Galileo.

    Christianity is especially a deceitful system since it revolutionized political morality.

    Prior to and outside Christian system, those with power admitted they had the power and were about power.

    Under the Christian system, the powerful associated themselves with the ‘weak’ and ‘victimized’.

    In that sense, current PC has its roots in Christianity more than in Judaism. It’s just that Jews psychologically grasped its essence and exploited it better than anyone else.

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  67. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    Hmmm.

    history doesn't repeat itself but it rhymes.

    funny how power works.

    deviant sex, decadence, and power.

    http://www.bharatvani.org/books/mssmi/ch9.htm

    http://acc6.its.brooklyn.cuny.edu/~phalsall/texts/eunuchs1.html

    http://www.usrf.org/news/010308-hiddenpower.html

    http://www.allempires.com/article/index.php?q=china_eununchs_and_official_harem

    Conspiracy of she-men and whores.

    Homos and trannies are the ‘new eunuchs’ of the globalist agenda.

    No wonder Emperors Koch Brothers, Sheldon Adelson, and George Soros loves them.

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  68. @anony-mouse
    When it comes to opinions on all these issues there seems to be a massive difference based on age.

    Too bad virtually all Unz columnists are 50+ (and I'm being nice).

    I'm guessing that the same applies to commenters.

    When it comes to opinions on all these issues there seems to be a massive difference based on age.

    There’s two, maybe three big things here:

    1) Massive PC indoctrination. Probably Hollywood more than the schools.

    2) Age, and particularly parenthood, makes people “smarter”–more realistic–especially about biological stuff.

    I was always a “nature” guy, but my lefty brother was much more of a blank slater … until he had a difficult colicky baby. Hey, *that* can’t be nurture!

    Even before that, it’s pretty hard for one–even if you didn’t grasp it from the sex act itself–to deny the profound biological difference between men and women when one is either watching your wife swelling up with a child, or swelling up with a child yourself.

    Finally … you’re just seen more life, observed more reality. That might make you sympathetic to a live-and-let-live tolerant philosophy. But it doesn’t tend to dispose folks to noisy pushy utopian fantasies.

    3) Finally, having children tends to make one more “traditional”
    First you directly want a safe environment for your children. Physically safe. But also including–for the sane parents–not having the inappropriate, crazy and ugly rubbed in their faces.

    But secondly, you have an appreciation that you are not just an antonymous individual but a link in a big chain of life, stretching from your ancestors to your children and beyond. You realize you are handing over not just your genes, but your culture, your civilization to your children. And that those things both shaped who you are, but have great value that you want to preserve and pass on. It makes you less inclined to piss on the past.

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    That last paragraph should read "autonomous individual" but y'all knew that.
    , @SPMoore8
    The fact that there's a big age differential in the gay marriage thing (and several other SJW things) can explained as you have it: people get older, they have families of their own, and they become more conservative.

    On the other hand, the SJW types point to these poll numbers and conclude that it's not a generational matter, it's an expanding social consciousness matter, and that when all the old white guys (and old white women) die off, then it will all be sweetness and light.

    I have to admit I'm a little skeptical of this.

    But all of this will have to unfold in the future on its own timetable.
    , @e
    Beautifully said, AnotherDad.
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  69. @AnotherDad

    When it comes to opinions on all these issues there seems to be a massive difference based on age.
     
    There's two, maybe three big things here:

    1) Massive PC indoctrination. Probably Hollywood more than the schools.

    2) Age, and particularly parenthood, makes people "smarter"--more realistic--especially about biological stuff.

    I was always a "nature" guy, but my lefty brother was much more of a blank slater ... until he had a difficult colicky baby. Hey, *that* can't be nurture!

    Even before that, it's pretty hard for one--even if you didn't grasp it from the sex act itself--to deny the profound biological difference between men and women when one is either watching your wife swelling up with a child, or swelling up with a child yourself.

    Finally ... you're just seen more life, observed more reality. That might make you sympathetic to a live-and-let-live tolerant philosophy. But it doesn't tend to dispose folks to noisy pushy utopian fantasies.

    3) Finally, having children tends to make one more "traditional"
    First you directly want a safe environment for your children. Physically safe. But also including--for the sane parents--not having the inappropriate, crazy and ugly rubbed in their faces.

    But secondly, you have an appreciation that you are not just an antonymous individual but a link in a big chain of life, stretching from your ancestors to your children and beyond. You realize you are handing over not just your genes, but your culture, your civilization to your children. And that those things both shaped who you are, but have great value that you want to preserve and pass on. It makes you less inclined to piss on the past.

    That last paragraph should read “autonomous individual” but y’all knew that.

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  70. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @AnotherDad
    That last paragraph should read "autonomous individual" but y'all knew that.

    And for a second there I thought you were speaking about me!

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  71. njguy73 says:
    @Anon
    Chinese used to bind women's feet. It is now seen as terrible, even evil.

    But now we say it's courageous and noble for men to cut off their thingy and get a fake vagina. Or for women to mutilate their vaginas and get fake penises.

    We say Muslim female circumcision is wrong, but cutting off penises or mutilating vaginas for 'sex change' is great.

    I wonder...

    what if a Chinese-American girl voluntarily decided to bind her feet.

    what if a Muslim-American girl voluntarily decided to 'circumcise' her vagina.

    Would that be cool?

    How about we campaign to have Obama undergo a 'sex change' operation?

    He is something of a cun* of the elite.

    The question, as Lenin put it, is “Who, Whom?”

    Who decides whose body is altered? Chinese women didn’t get to decline foot-binding. Caitlyn (formerly Bruce) Jenner will, in all likelihood, choose of her own volition, to have her penis and testicles removed.

    And if a Chinese-American girl voluntarily decided to bind her feet and a Muslim-American girl voluntarily decided to ‘circumcise’ her vagina, with what law could it prevented?

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    "Who decides whose body is altered? Chinese women didn’t get to decline foot-binding. Caitlyn (formerly Bruce) Jenner will, in all likelihood, choose of her own volition, to have her penis and testicles removed."

    I mentioned that factor.

    Anyway, most Chinese girls wanted bound feet cuz they were a sign of higher class and status.

    "And if a Chinese-American girl voluntarily decided to bind her feet and a Muslim-American girl voluntarily decided to ‘circumcise’ her vagina, with what law could it prevented?"

    Existing laws. Such are not allowed in the US.

    It's like we can kill pigs but now dogs and cats. Why not? Cultural issues that favor certain culinary habits over others.
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  72. fish says:
    @Jefferson
    Poor Rachel Dolezal, nobody in the media cares about her anymore ever since the Charleston shooting and the legalization of Gay marriage in all 50 states now overshadow her. Her 15 minutes of fame are already up.

    Memory Holed by more recent events.

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  73. fish says:
    @Stealth
    via Drudge:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/27/us-usa-shooting-south-carolina-race-insi-idUSKBN0P70FA20150627


    Over the years, five members of her family have been killed by guns: her two brothers, at the ages of 28 and 38; her nephew, at 19; her niece, at 16; and her niece's mother, at 28.
     
    ...by guns. Not with guns. Left-wingers really are crazy. Liberals like to talk about "sensible" gun control, but language like this is the reason no conservative - and rightly so - is willing to consider any measure of gun control. Why give an inch to these loons?

    You raise an interesting issue. The guns that spontaneously killed this persons family members….well…there should be a “prison” for them.

    The sentient homicidal firearm is truly a menace and should be dealt with using the sternest methods the law allows.

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  74. pyrrhus says:
    @out of Macon
    They are pushing allowing transgender in the military. They should allow every type of physically and mentally handicapped person on the front lines of the military now. Our enemies will tremble.

    Maybe the strategy will be akin to Monty Python’s Killer Joke skit….our enemies will die laughing.

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  75. pyrrhus says:
    @JayMan

    So, Jayman, does that mean you support the Supreme Court’s ruling on gay marriage? How about gay marriage itself?
     
    I'm indifferent. It matters little to me either way.

    The real question is whether you are indifferent to the trashing of the legal system, destruction of the Constitution, and particularly loss of the 1st Amendment’s guarantee of Freedom of Association, in the name of “equality.”

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  76. Whiskey says: • Website
    @AnotherDad

    A popular tactic on the Left since the French Revolution is to force the enemy to say publicly that which they know to be false.
     
    A big bail of truth in your paragraph there.

    Excellent comment Z.

    And that tactic tends to fail, spectacularly, without massive resources as men refuse to fight for a power that humiliates them, or fight well. Stalin very nearly lost, to an enemy fighting on multiple fronts with not much logistics to speak of.

    People think that fighting does not matter. That armed conflict is just gone. Because, Coca-Cola, Pepsi, and Blue Jeans or something.

    There are diminishing marginal returns to humiliating your enemies; it just incubates the desire for revenge ever hotter.

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  77. Casey says:
    @FirkinRidiculous
    OT, Steve, but I found a Confused-American who's whiter than Rachel Dolezal:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/24/chanda-prescod-weinstein_n_7574020.html

    And she's gay and Jewish and married to a man....

    LOL Chanda is a hugely popular twitter SJW and (unsurprisingly) she’s extremely annoying- humorless and pretentious. Her mother is Jamaican black so she’s been vetted by black twitter. She spends a lot of time chastising fellow astrophysicists for their racism and has been especially outspoken lately about blocking the TMT telescope at Mauna Kea. Her favorite hashtag is #decolonizeSTEM

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    Thanks, but I'd worked out most of that myself. I'm wondering if anything's known about her father or the husband, who I'm assuming is the Weinstein in all this.
    , @fish

    She spends a lot of time chastising fellow astrophysicists for their racism and has been especially outspoken lately about blocking the TMT telescope at Mauna Kea. Her favorite hashtag is #decolonizeSTEM
     
    Does she do any actual physics? Other than the calculus related doodling?
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  78. Rob McX says:
    @Busby
    Even though it may appear to be irrational, I choose to believe this is the high water mark of the American left. Shorter version- it's all downhill from here.

    I don’t think so. By its very nature the Left cannot come to a stop. It has to keep pushing, and keep reminding people who’s in control. Many of its “achievements” over the years have had no practical purpose other than to demoralise people by making them accept them (as commenter Z Blog noted earlier). All you can be sure of is that there are worse things on the way.

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  79. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @njguy73
    The question, as Lenin put it, is "Who, Whom?"

    Who decides whose body is altered? Chinese women didn't get to decline foot-binding. Caitlyn (formerly Bruce) Jenner will, in all likelihood, choose of her own volition, to have her penis and testicles removed.

    And if a Chinese-American girl voluntarily decided to bind her feet and a Muslim-American girl voluntarily decided to ‘circumcise’ her vagina, with what law could it prevented?

    “Who decides whose body is altered? Chinese women didn’t get to decline foot-binding. Caitlyn (formerly Bruce) Jenner will, in all likelihood, choose of her own volition, to have her penis and testicles removed.”

    I mentioned that factor.

    Anyway, most Chinese girls wanted bound feet cuz they were a sign of higher class and status.

    “And if a Chinese-American girl voluntarily decided to bind her feet and a Muslim-American girl voluntarily decided to ‘circumcise’ her vagina, with what law could it prevented?”

    Existing laws. Such are not allowed in the US.

    It’s like we can kill pigs but now dogs and cats. Why not? Cultural issues that favor certain culinary habits over others.

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    I'm starting to wonder if attempting to change culture is a fool's errand, and the only thing people who object to culture can do is simply live their lives according to their own moral codes.
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  80. SPMoore8 says:
    @AnotherDad

    When it comes to opinions on all these issues there seems to be a massive difference based on age.
     
    There's two, maybe three big things here:

    1) Massive PC indoctrination. Probably Hollywood more than the schools.

    2) Age, and particularly parenthood, makes people "smarter"--more realistic--especially about biological stuff.

    I was always a "nature" guy, but my lefty brother was much more of a blank slater ... until he had a difficult colicky baby. Hey, *that* can't be nurture!

    Even before that, it's pretty hard for one--even if you didn't grasp it from the sex act itself--to deny the profound biological difference between men and women when one is either watching your wife swelling up with a child, or swelling up with a child yourself.

    Finally ... you're just seen more life, observed more reality. That might make you sympathetic to a live-and-let-live tolerant philosophy. But it doesn't tend to dispose folks to noisy pushy utopian fantasies.

    3) Finally, having children tends to make one more "traditional"
    First you directly want a safe environment for your children. Physically safe. But also including--for the sane parents--not having the inappropriate, crazy and ugly rubbed in their faces.

    But secondly, you have an appreciation that you are not just an antonymous individual but a link in a big chain of life, stretching from your ancestors to your children and beyond. You realize you are handing over not just your genes, but your culture, your civilization to your children. And that those things both shaped who you are, but have great value that you want to preserve and pass on. It makes you less inclined to piss on the past.

    The fact that there’s a big age differential in the gay marriage thing (and several other SJW things) can explained as you have it: people get older, they have families of their own, and they become more conservative.

    On the other hand, the SJW types point to these poll numbers and conclude that it’s not a generational matter, it’s an expanding social consciousness matter, and that when all the old white guys (and old white women) die off, then it will all be sweetness and light.

    I have to admit I’m a little skeptical of this.

    But all of this will have to unfold in the future on its own timetable.

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    Trouble is, the increasing number of people not having families means an ever-increasing cohort of perpetual teenagers, with more time to devote to agitation for fashionable causes.
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  81. e says: • Website
    @frizzled
    I would like to see a hard-nosed discussion of how the mainstreaming of trans is likely to play out politically.

    Transgender is a fracture point for the mainstream left as the Dolezal brouhaha proved. To the extent that the mainstream left has to 'explain' transgender they have a problem. And to the extent the public's accepted transgender, it's because they haven't realized what it entails, or think it's the same thing as being gay (this is an astonishingly common attitude thanks to the use of 'LGBT' as politically correct synonym for 'gay').

    Transgender is especially bad for gays as trans causes hitched to gay rights as part of the 'LGBT' bandwagon are a poison pill. Marriage and nondiscrimination, fine, but letting men into their daughters' change rooms?

    Most conservatives haven't yet figured this out, because they're consumed with attacking gays, but they will. Gay rights can be defended using the framing of equality and fairness. No such defense exists for transgender. The concept is incoherent, denies biological reality, and has obvious conflicts with a fixed conception of (e.g.) ethnic identity. It reduces human identity to wishful thinking. Of political importance, while conservatives may like the trans-ing of gay men, the much larger straight autogynephile 'lesbian' component also presents the most sexually threatening stereotype imaginable.

    The smarter conservatives can even co-opt the language and philosophical positions of different factions seeking social justice to judo them into attacking each other. If I were really a skilled operator, I could probably do that without actually advocating any anti-feminist, anti-trans, or pro-racism sentiment at all. Like, "Hey I'm cool with oppressed groups X, Y and Z, but let's talk about how X is bad for oppressing Y, and Y is bad for oppressing Z, and how everyone is bad for not recognizing the even tinier, more oppressed group represented by (say) Rachel Dolezal."

    I hope some here are thinking about this.

    Marriage and nondiscrimination, fine, but letting men into their daughters’ change rooms

    Ridiculous, yes? But what of children born from using the sperm of a man paid $$$, with the sperm placed in a turkey baster, and shot up into a vagina?

    My best friend’s niece, a lesbian, so she says, did that 14 months ago. She’s 26, is living with an ugly old woman of 50 who looks 65, and this child that’s been born, a little boy, will never know a father.

    Way to go, America! (The niece is the offspring of heavy meth users–dad committed suicide …or not–was found dead in the garage with fishing line around his neck. Sexual thing?)

    For all her likely psychological problems, my friend’s niece would likely NEVER have had a child in this way unless the media told her America approved. She’s hardly the rebellious type, believe it or not.

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  82. e says:
    @Jason Roberts
    Maybe the public today doesn't fully accept transgender causes. But, based on the footage yesterday of all the gay pride marches seeming to show a majority of the participants to be under 30, the public tommorrow surely will.

    Maybe the public today doesn’t fully accept transgender causes. But, based on the footage yesterday of all the gay pride marches seeming to show a majority of the participants to be under 30, the public tommorrow surely will.

    As long as the young have an easy life in this country, they’ll find the time to “care” about stuff like this simply because the young love feeling as if they have power. The cause is usually secondary to any opportunity to yell, scream, profess inquality and unfairness, and generally feel self-righteous about themselves and their generation.

    Barack Obama and his people understood their power–they made the actual act of going to the voting booth on Election Day into a PARTY. Yep, contact young people by using social media months in advance, “friend” them, remind them again and again of the meeting place, and POW, on Election Day, give them time and place again where they are to meet, vote, and party.

    Any culture that combines fast and easy communication with butt-licking of young people is in trouble, forever. Never should have raised the voting age, never. Today’s 26 year old is younger emotionally than last generation’s 17 year old.

    Money in their pockets from mom and dad…mistake.

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    Correction--"never should have lowered the voting age, never."
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  83. e says:
    @e
    Maybe the public today doesn’t fully accept transgender causes. But, based on the footage yesterday of all the gay pride marches seeming to show a majority of the participants to be under 30, the public tommorrow surely will.


    As long as the young have an easy life in this country, they'll find the time to "care" about stuff like this simply because the young love feeling as if they have power. The cause is usually secondary to any opportunity to yell, scream, profess inquality and unfairness, and generally feel self-righteous about themselves and their generation.

    Barack Obama and his people understood their power--they made the actual act of going to the voting booth on Election Day into a PARTY. Yep, contact young people by using social media months in advance, "friend" them, remind them again and again of the meeting place, and POW, on Election Day, give them time and place again where they are to meet, vote, and party.

    Any culture that combines fast and easy communication with butt-licking of young people is in trouble, forever. Never should have raised the voting age, never. Today's 26 year old is younger emotionally than last generation's 17 year old.

    Money in their pockets from mom and dad...mistake.

    Correction–”never should have lowered the voting age, never.”

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  84. Art says:

    Homosexuals are not monogamous – never have been never will be.

    Marriage as a stable monogamous arrangement, is over. We are in for a loosening of all our sexual taboos.

    On the homosexual scene today, everything is all lovie dovie – it’s all new and wonderful – it will not last – the reality of putting up with someone genetically just like you will ware thin. Marriage will become an economic arrangement – not an exclusive intimate sexual one.

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    I think you might be right about this, and this is why I have always been skeptical of calling same sex unions "marriage" as far back as 20 years ago or more. Don't get me wrong, I have always been in favor of recognized same sex unions in some respects, if only for reasons of visitation, inheritance, and so on.

    However, it kind of reminds me of what I was saying before we invaded Iraq, because I was also sure that we didn't have enough people to control the area, that we were going to create an atmosphere of anomie and civil war, and so on. I mean, I thought I was right, but I didn't really want to be right, if you know what I mean.

    I think expanding the definition of marriage this way, and particularly by using the Constitution to do it, is pretty bad. I also think that by dictating the institution of marriage from the bench is only going to increase the tension between the state and religious institutions.

    However, if marriage as an institution goes down the road you are predicting, the big losers will be women, and children. And yet women are some of the biggest proponents of SSM. So ......

    Again, as I have said before, all of this is happening because our society is essentially pretty trivial right now and it's trivial because as a matter of fact no one is dying in the streets from hunger. Let's just hope that it always stay that way, and everyone's EBT card works and the money never runs out. Unfortunately, however ......
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  85. Mike P. says:

    The NY Times is not kidding, either: it has mentioned “transgender” 1,087 times in the past year. To compare, “Knicks” has been mentioned 1,096 times.

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    Maybe they can talk Carmelo Anthony into playing in the WNBA?
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  86. e says:
    @AnotherDad

    When it comes to opinions on all these issues there seems to be a massive difference based on age.
     
    There's two, maybe three big things here:

    1) Massive PC indoctrination. Probably Hollywood more than the schools.

    2) Age, and particularly parenthood, makes people "smarter"--more realistic--especially about biological stuff.

    I was always a "nature" guy, but my lefty brother was much more of a blank slater ... until he had a difficult colicky baby. Hey, *that* can't be nurture!

    Even before that, it's pretty hard for one--even if you didn't grasp it from the sex act itself--to deny the profound biological difference between men and women when one is either watching your wife swelling up with a child, or swelling up with a child yourself.

    Finally ... you're just seen more life, observed more reality. That might make you sympathetic to a live-and-let-live tolerant philosophy. But it doesn't tend to dispose folks to noisy pushy utopian fantasies.

    3) Finally, having children tends to make one more "traditional"
    First you directly want a safe environment for your children. Physically safe. But also including--for the sane parents--not having the inappropriate, crazy and ugly rubbed in their faces.

    But secondly, you have an appreciation that you are not just an antonymous individual but a link in a big chain of life, stretching from your ancestors to your children and beyond. You realize you are handing over not just your genes, but your culture, your civilization to your children. And that those things both shaped who you are, but have great value that you want to preserve and pass on. It makes you less inclined to piss on the past.

    Beautifully said, AnotherDad.

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  87. carol says:

    So, today pbs world network is running back to back transgender documentaries…

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    So, today pbs world network is running back to back transgender documentaries…

     

    Isn't the point of such surgery to facilitate front-to-front?
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  88. @Mike P.
    The NY Times is not kidding, either: it has mentioned "transgender" 1,087 times in the past year. To compare, "Knicks" has been mentioned 1,096 times.

    Maybe they can talk Carmelo Anthony into playing in the WNBA?

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  89. SPMoore8 says:
    @Art
    Homosexuals are not monogamous – never have been never will be.

    Marriage as a stable monogamous arrangement, is over. We are in for a loosening of all our sexual taboos.

    On the homosexual scene today, everything is all lovie dovie – it’s all new and wonderful - it will not last – the reality of putting up with someone genetically just like you will ware thin. Marriage will become an economic arrangement – not an exclusive intimate sexual one.

    I think you might be right about this, and this is why I have always been skeptical of calling same sex unions “marriage” as far back as 20 years ago or more. Don’t get me wrong, I have always been in favor of recognized same sex unions in some respects, if only for reasons of visitation, inheritance, and so on.

    However, it kind of reminds me of what I was saying before we invaded Iraq, because I was also sure that we didn’t have enough people to control the area, that we were going to create an atmosphere of anomie and civil war, and so on. I mean, I thought I was right, but I didn’t really want to be right, if you know what I mean.

    I think expanding the definition of marriage this way, and particularly by using the Constitution to do it, is pretty bad. I also think that by dictating the institution of marriage from the bench is only going to increase the tension between the state and religious institutions.

    However, if marriage as an institution goes down the road you are predicting, the big losers will be women, and children. And yet women are some of the biggest proponents of SSM. So ……

    Again, as I have said before, all of this is happening because our society is essentially pretty trivial right now and it’s trivial because as a matter of fact no one is dying in the streets from hunger. Let’s just hope that it always stay that way, and everyone’s EBT card works and the money never runs out. Unfortunately, however ……

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    if marriage as an institution goes down the road you are predicting, the big losers will be women, and children.
     
    Because marriage only exists to protect women and children. Women have made the tragic mistake of thinking that the State can provide them with everything that a marriage provides. As a result the future is going to be full of lonely bitter old women who don't understand why they're along and why even their kids hate them.
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  90. WhatEvvs [AKA "Prada Yada Yada"] says:
    @Robbie
    The Military is a place for kids not smart enough to do anything else.

    I don't blame them...the rise of the Asian secretarial class has pushed masculine personalities out of sciences and the like...

    But ultimately...and even historically...the Military is kinda a place for losers

    They'll never admit it...but it's true.

    If you've got the financial means to go to college and you choose the military...u've got bigger problems then Gay Marriage, Jews or anything else

    Who do you think is running the military? One of Amy Chua’s tiger cubs joined the army.

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  91. Terrahawk says:
    @JayMan

    So, Jayman, does that mean you support the Supreme Court’s ruling on gay marriage? How about gay marriage itself?
     
    I'm indifferent. It matters little to me either way.

    Don’t worry, you will be made to care.

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  92. njguy73 says:
    @Anon
    "Who decides whose body is altered? Chinese women didn’t get to decline foot-binding. Caitlyn (formerly Bruce) Jenner will, in all likelihood, choose of her own volition, to have her penis and testicles removed."

    I mentioned that factor.

    Anyway, most Chinese girls wanted bound feet cuz they were a sign of higher class and status.

    "And if a Chinese-American girl voluntarily decided to bind her feet and a Muslim-American girl voluntarily decided to ‘circumcise’ her vagina, with what law could it prevented?"

    Existing laws. Such are not allowed in the US.

    It's like we can kill pigs but now dogs and cats. Why not? Cultural issues that favor certain culinary habits over others.

    I’m starting to wonder if attempting to change culture is a fool’s errand, and the only thing people who object to culture can do is simply live their lives according to their own moral codes.

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  93. Rob McX says:
    @SPMoore8
    The fact that there's a big age differential in the gay marriage thing (and several other SJW things) can explained as you have it: people get older, they have families of their own, and they become more conservative.

    On the other hand, the SJW types point to these poll numbers and conclude that it's not a generational matter, it's an expanding social consciousness matter, and that when all the old white guys (and old white women) die off, then it will all be sweetness and light.

    I have to admit I'm a little skeptical of this.

    But all of this will have to unfold in the future on its own timetable.

    …people get older, they have families of their own, and they become more conservative.

    Trouble is, the increasing number of people not having families means an ever-increasing cohort of perpetual teenagers, with more time to devote to agitation for fashionable causes.

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    Well, you are right. And one of the reasons our children are acting like perpetual teenagers is because they think they have all the time in the world, and, also, because the economy is insufficiently robust to allow them to take the plunge. Now, either that changes, or it stays the same, but there are plenty of trans-immigrants who are perfectly willing to come here and have children. And they will, and we'll see how it plays out after that. (Metaphorically, of course, because none of us will be here.)

    The female SJW's will celebrate this latest victory of Love and then in a little while they will stop to think of what it means in terms of their own lives. Not sure if marriage will be on the table when it's something that gays do because they are afraid of the dark, when it doesn't involve monogamy, when it's about exploring the freedom of intimacy, when kids are an afterthought, etc. I mean at that point you are talking about an "institution" that is totally gratuitous, sort of like having a Department of Feelings in the Federal Government.
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  94. That’s all just to keep people distracted as the public treasury is looted and cities and states go bankrupt. Like any war it will create more wicked than it gets rid of. Watch for road and bridge closures. Democracy is despotism and we expanded it in Iraq. Avoid beaches, churches and travel in general.

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  95. SPMoore8 says:

    So…. some orthodox Jews in NYC hired some Mexicans to picket the Gay Pride Parade.

    I will say that most of the Jews I know these days were strongly opposed to this ruling and in fact even more strongly opposed than I am, because I knew it was inevitable after Lawrence (2003.)

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  96. Anonym says:
    @anony-mouse
    When it comes to opinions on all these issues there seems to be a massive difference based on age.

    Too bad virtually all Unz columnists are 50+ (and I'm being nice).

    I'm guessing that the same applies to commenters.

    Nope. I’ve since moderated my views somewhat since my twenties though.

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  97. @Casey
    LOL Chanda is a hugely popular twitter SJW and (unsurprisingly) she's extremely annoying- humorless and pretentious. Her mother is Jamaican black so she's been vetted by black twitter. She spends a lot of time chastising fellow astrophysicists for their racism and has been especially outspoken lately about blocking the TMT telescope at Mauna Kea. Her favorite hashtag is #decolonizeSTEM

    Thanks, but I’d worked out most of that myself. I’m wondering if anything’s known about her father or the husband, who I’m assuming is the Weinstein in all this.

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  98. SPMoore8 says:
    @Rob McX
    ...people get older, they have families of their own, and they become more conservative.

    Trouble is, the increasing number of people not having families means an ever-increasing cohort of perpetual teenagers, with more time to devote to agitation for fashionable causes.

    Well, you are right. And one of the reasons our children are acting like perpetual teenagers is because they think they have all the time in the world, and, also, because the economy is insufficiently robust to allow them to take the plunge. Now, either that changes, or it stays the same, but there are plenty of trans-immigrants who are perfectly willing to come here and have children. And they will, and we’ll see how it plays out after that. (Metaphorically, of course, because none of us will be here.)

    The female SJW’s will celebrate this latest victory of Love and then in a little while they will stop to think of what it means in terms of their own lives. Not sure if marriage will be on the table when it’s something that gays do because they are afraid of the dark, when it doesn’t involve monogamy, when it’s about exploring the freedom of intimacy, when kids are an afterthought, etc. I mean at that point you are talking about an “institution” that is totally gratuitous, sort of like having a Department of Feelings in the Federal Government.

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  99. rod1963 says:

    Today ISIS celebrated gay marriage by throwing 4 gay men off a five story building to their deaths. A beautiful example of diversity in action.

    Many ISIS goons were also seen using the hashtag LoveWins.

    Link:

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/06/islamic-state-marks-gay-marriage-ruling-by-throwing-4-gay-men-off-a-roof

    So much for WWT among the Muslims. They just laugh and kill gays and trannies. It seems to be quite the past time with them.

    So lets not label it WW T, it’s more like a dangerous social engineering experiment foisted on the American people at the point of a cop with a machine gun who will do bad things to us if we don’t obey the legal fiats by a unaccountable and dangerous judiciary.

    That said, the judiciary is well on it’s way of becoming irrelevant in the eyes of the people who only see a system that rewards insiders and the wealthy at the expense of everyone else. Kelo was the first set of nails in that coffin. This one just put a whole bunch more nails in it. To the winning side it’s great, but they’re playing with fire because once the legal system becomes viewed as a rubber stamp of the elite, it and the government it supports will have no standing with the people as rulings favoring the chosen occurs more and more. In the end they’ll simply be a bunch of thugs with guns.

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    The most hilarious part of this whole circus was CNN mistakenly reporting an ISIS flag being flown in the London Gay Pride parade. What the reporter thought was Arabic script on the flag was actually a drawing of a number of sex toys.
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  100. Time magazine:

    Gay Marriage Supreme Court Ruling
    Orthodox Christians Must Now Learn To Live as Exiles in Our Own Country
    Rod Dreher @roddreher
    June 26, 2015

    http://time.com/3938050/orthodox-christians-must-now-learn-to-live-as-exiles-in-our-own-country/

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  101. […] that were not historically unprivileged, the disabled, illegal aliens, and now homosexuals and other sexual fetishists. There doesn’t seem to be an end in […]

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  102. e says:

    I’m not a huge supporter of Rand Paul, but I am often interested in his take on some things, and on this, he might be right, although I have to do some more thinking about what would prompt individuals to enter into the contract of marriage if governmental economic advantages weren’t available. We already have a society in which children are born out of wedlock in increasing numbers since there is no shame to it any more. Will men and women bother to enter into contracts?

    I like Justice Thomas’ comments in his dissent.

    http://time.com/3939374/rand-paul-government-should-get-out-of-the-marriage-business/

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  103. dfordoom says: • Website
    @SPMoore8
    I think you might be right about this, and this is why I have always been skeptical of calling same sex unions "marriage" as far back as 20 years ago or more. Don't get me wrong, I have always been in favor of recognized same sex unions in some respects, if only for reasons of visitation, inheritance, and so on.

    However, it kind of reminds me of what I was saying before we invaded Iraq, because I was also sure that we didn't have enough people to control the area, that we were going to create an atmosphere of anomie and civil war, and so on. I mean, I thought I was right, but I didn't really want to be right, if you know what I mean.

    I think expanding the definition of marriage this way, and particularly by using the Constitution to do it, is pretty bad. I also think that by dictating the institution of marriage from the bench is only going to increase the tension between the state and religious institutions.

    However, if marriage as an institution goes down the road you are predicting, the big losers will be women, and children. And yet women are some of the biggest proponents of SSM. So ......

    Again, as I have said before, all of this is happening because our society is essentially pretty trivial right now and it's trivial because as a matter of fact no one is dying in the streets from hunger. Let's just hope that it always stay that way, and everyone's EBT card works and the money never runs out. Unfortunately, however ......

    if marriage as an institution goes down the road you are predicting, the big losers will be women, and children.

    Because marriage only exists to protect women and children. Women have made the tragic mistake of thinking that the State can provide them with everything that a marriage provides. As a result the future is going to be full of lonely bitter old women who don’t understand why they’re along and why even their kids hate them.

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  104. fish says:
    @Casey
    LOL Chanda is a hugely popular twitter SJW and (unsurprisingly) she's extremely annoying- humorless and pretentious. Her mother is Jamaican black so she's been vetted by black twitter. She spends a lot of time chastising fellow astrophysicists for their racism and has been especially outspoken lately about blocking the TMT telescope at Mauna Kea. Her favorite hashtag is #decolonizeSTEM

    She spends a lot of time chastising fellow astrophysicists for their racism and has been especially outspoken lately about blocking the TMT telescope at Mauna Kea. Her favorite hashtag is #decolonizeSTEM

    Does she do any actual physics? Other than the calculus related doodling?

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    She is a "Martin Luther King Fellow" at MIT, which suggests her position is some kind of affirmative action position. Her publication record, according to her CV, is not a complete zero - she has published some stuff in the journals one would expect to see such stuff in. She even has a first-author paper or two (at least one of which is undoubtedly based on her thesis, which is kind of a given). Her publication record would not bet deemed sufficient to gain tenure at most universities, not if she were a white man. Yet, something tells me she will indeed get tenure somewhere.

    In short: she's not dumb - neither is she indispensible. Her best work is probably already behind her. Astrophysics would do fine without her.
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  105. big red says:
    @WhatEvvs
    Logically everything that frazzled says makes sense but that has nothing to do with the reality of the situation which is that the elites have decided that SSM is the law of the land.

    I read these comments and I can see that reality hasn't settled in. Guess what guys, Christianity is now an outlaw religion. If you think that I am exaggerating, think harder. SSM violates Christian morality, end of story. A Christian cannot in good conscience support this state.

    All this "peak left" and "fracture point" stuff is ludicrous. Nothing fractures power. Please tell me, frazzled, or Steve, or anyone here, what you are going to do about this.

    Buy a confederate flag? Big deal.

    Go to a confederate flag rally? Big deal, join 40 other nobodies.

    Forbid your kid from registering for the draft? Do you have kids? My guess is most people here don't, and if they do, their kids will register for the draft.

    Not serve in the Armed Forces? Derb's kid volunteered.

    Face it guys, you are living in a totalitarian state run by, for and about homosexuals. Forget BRA. That's cute, but it's not true. Blacks aren't doing all that well when you drill down to the reality. This is more like GRA: Gay Run America. Pray that one away.

    The only clever option I can see now is to support economic populism. We gave big business everything they wanted and they stabbed us in the back (conservatives). It’s time for us to return the favor unless they get right, and fast.

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    How you gonna do this? Americans are in love with their corporate produced crap. They'll never give their toys up.
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  106. Luke Lea says: • Website
    @anony-mouse
    When it comes to opinions on all these issues there seems to be a massive difference based on age.

    Too bad virtually all Unz columnists are 50+ (and I'm being nice).

    I'm guessing that the same applies to commenters.

    “When it comes to opinions on all these issues there seems to be a massive difference based on age.” Also know as experience. The younger generation are naive about the importance of marriage in establishing the biological family as a social institution, as indeed they are about the importance of the family in the acculturation of children. I wonder how many of the five justices who ruled in favor of gay marriage came from broken homes?

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  107. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @22pp22
    Does the NYT ever do any actual investigative journalist these days, like the Daily Mail?
    I looked down the first page of a copy and it was a bunch of silly people sharing their neuroses, nothing more. The newspaper of record, my arse.

    If you actually get to live the while LGBT life as I did in my teens with my father, it is crushingly DULL. You keep thinking to yourself: Would you please, just for once, take an interest in something other than your genitalia.

    He wasn’t interested in clothes, interior design, modern art or opera?

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  108. Mr. Anon says:
    @fish

    She spends a lot of time chastising fellow astrophysicists for their racism and has been especially outspoken lately about blocking the TMT telescope at Mauna Kea. Her favorite hashtag is #decolonizeSTEM
     
    Does she do any actual physics? Other than the calculus related doodling?

    She is a “Martin Luther King Fellow” at MIT, which suggests her position is some kind of affirmative action position. Her publication record, according to her CV, is not a complete zero – she has published some stuff in the journals one would expect to see such stuff in. She even has a first-author paper or two (at least one of which is undoubtedly based on her thesis, which is kind of a given). Her publication record would not bet deemed sufficient to gain tenure at most universities, not if she were a white man. Yet, something tells me she will indeed get tenure somewhere.

    In short: she’s not dumb – neither is she indispensible. Her best work is probably already behind her. Astrophysics would do fine without her.

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  109. @carol
    So, today pbs world network is running back to back transgender documentaries...

    So, today pbs world network is running back to back transgender documentaries…

    Isn’t the point of such surgery to facilitate front-to-front?

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  110. iSteveFan says:

    This is from the Jerusalem Post concerning the Israeli reaction to the SC gay decision. All the quoted politicos support the US decision and hope that Israel follows suit. The article admitted gay weddings are not currently performed in Israel, but expressed hope that they someday would.

    The strangest quote was this one which managed to attack the Tea Party folks. Halfway across the world and they are doing a touchdown dance on US conservatives while still acknowledging that they do not have same-sex marriage in their nation. You’d think the article would be a chance to attack the local Israelis who are preventing Israel from joining the US in the 21st century. But no, the vitriol was reserved for the US Tea Party.

    “I’d be interested to see if now there are Tea Party folks in the US who are bitter and saying: ‘How dare the court decide! We have a majority in Congress! The majority rules!” tweeted Meretz MK Tamar Zandberg.

    I think this attack on the Tea Party was bush league given the Tea Party’s support of Israel.

    Gay marriage for both Jews and non-Jews is not recognized by Israeli authorities.

    Maybe you should mock your fellow countrymen that are preventing Israeli authorities from recognizing gay marriage, not the Tea Party.

    Steve, is this mocking of the Tea Party another example of lashing out at outsiders when the real dispute is among family?

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    I certainly agree the attack on the Tea Party was Bush League and, indeed, gay marriage is illegal in Israel.

    But consider your source. The woman you cite is a member of the Meretz Party rather than Netanyahu’s Likud that enjoys such Tea Party and Congressional Republican support.

    Meretz is left of the Labor Party. Sarah Silverman’s sister has been one of its candidates. Roughly, it bears the same relationship to Likud that George Galloway’s Respect Party does to David Cameron’s Tories in the UK.

    Wikipedia offers this description of Meretz:

    Meretz is a secular[7] party emphasising a two-state solution to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, social justice, human rights (especially for ethnic and sexual minorities), religious freedom, and environmentalism.[8]

    The party is a member of the Progressive Alliance[9] and Socialist International,[10] and is an observer member of the Party of European Socialists.[11]

    ……………………………………….In the international media it has been described as left-wing, social-democratic, dovish, secular, civil libertarian, and anti-occupation.[26][27][28][29][30]
     
    In other words, Meretz is a Dingbat Party and the member of the Israeli parliament quoted is one of them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meretz
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  111. e says:
    @anony-mouse
    Clueless or clued-in 50 years from now they're what's going to be around.

    Unz.com (or equivalent) in 2065 may be reading these articles with a rude smile.

    Irony–your handle.

    The mouse, the lab rodent, is soon to be responsible for what will be the undoing of ” the movement.”

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  112. Karl says:
    @oh its just me
    It won't just provide entertainment but many tangible benefits for the elite:
    as some wiseacre commentator on this blog pointed out, as long as big companies wave the rainbow flag of sodomy, they can continue to loot the economy to their hearts content. SJW will not be occupying wall street- they'll be terrorizing family run pizzerias in Indiana and occopying st. patricks.

    Most people aren't even aware that big international banks drove greece into dept to further loot the economy, just like they used to do to poor farmers in east europe....

    endless $$ lawsuits for the trial lawyers.. after all, even the holocaust is getting tapped out- they are down to suing rail companies the Nazis used.

    turning sjw on the last resistance to absolute global elite rule -the civic minded middle class - hell they might even be so thorough that they finally get rid of the Amish.

    SJW and even average millienials see sj and racism as so important that 'freedom of speech' and other dead white male concepts take a back seat.

    >>> hell they might even be so thorough that they finally get rid of the Amish.

    The Old Order Mennonites have the world’s biggest Pussy Pass.

    none of you can show me a SJW who talks shit about the Amish. To find that, you’d have to read what the Amish write about themselves. Their newspaper is __The Budget__

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  113. @iSteveFan
    This is from the Jerusalem Post concerning the Israeli reaction to the SC gay decision. All the quoted politicos support the US decision and hope that Israel follows suit. The article admitted gay weddings are not currently performed in Israel, but expressed hope that they someday would.

    The strangest quote was this one which managed to attack the Tea Party folks. Halfway across the world and they are doing a touchdown dance on US conservatives while still acknowledging that they do not have same-sex marriage in their nation. You'd think the article would be a chance to attack the local Israelis who are preventing Israel from joining the US in the 21st century. But no, the vitriol was reserved for the US Tea Party.


    “I’d be interested to see if now there are Tea Party folks in the US who are bitter and saying: ‘How dare the court decide! We have a majority in Congress! The majority rules!” tweeted Meretz MK Tamar Zandberg.
     
    I think this attack on the Tea Party was bush league given the Tea Party's support of Israel.

    Gay marriage for both Jews and non-Jews is not recognized by Israeli authorities.
     
    Maybe you should mock your fellow countrymen that are preventing Israeli authorities from recognizing gay marriage, not the Tea Party.

    Steve, is this mocking of the Tea Party another example of lashing out at outsiders when the real dispute is among family?

    I certainly agree the attack on the Tea Party was Bush League and, indeed, gay marriage is illegal in Israel.

    But consider your source. The woman you cite is a member of the Meretz Party rather than Netanyahu’s Likud that enjoys such Tea Party and Congressional Republican support.

    Meretz is left of the Labor Party. Sarah Silverman’s sister has been one of its candidates. Roughly, it bears the same relationship to Likud that George Galloway’s Respect Party does to David Cameron’s Tories in the UK.

    Wikipedia offers this description of Meretz:

    Meretz is a secular[7] party emphasising a two-state solution to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, social justice, human rights (especially for ethnic and sexual minorities), religious freedom, and environmentalism.[8]

    The party is a member of the Progressive Alliance[9] and Socialist International,[10] and is an observer member of the Party of European Socialists.[11]

    ……………………………………….In the international media it has been described as left-wing, social-democratic, dovish, secular, civil libertarian, and anti-occupation.[26][27][28][29][30]

    In other words, Meretz is a Dingbat Party and the member of the Israeli parliament quoted is one of them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meretz

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    But consider your source. The woman you cite is a member of the Meretz Party rather than Netanyahu’s Likud that enjoys such Tea Party and Congressional Republican support.
     
    Thanks for the clarification because I've never been to Israel and don't know much about any party not named Likud. But assuming her party is that far left, why isn't she attacking the likudites or whoever in Israel is blocking gay marriage? I find her reference to the Tea Party out of place and troubling.
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  114. iSteveFan says:
    @PV van der Byl
    I certainly agree the attack on the Tea Party was Bush League and, indeed, gay marriage is illegal in Israel.

    But consider your source. The woman you cite is a member of the Meretz Party rather than Netanyahu’s Likud that enjoys such Tea Party and Congressional Republican support.

    Meretz is left of the Labor Party. Sarah Silverman’s sister has been one of its candidates. Roughly, it bears the same relationship to Likud that George Galloway’s Respect Party does to David Cameron’s Tories in the UK.

    Wikipedia offers this description of Meretz:

    Meretz is a secular[7] party emphasising a two-state solution to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, social justice, human rights (especially for ethnic and sexual minorities), religious freedom, and environmentalism.[8]

    The party is a member of the Progressive Alliance[9] and Socialist International,[10] and is an observer member of the Party of European Socialists.[11]

    ……………………………………….In the international media it has been described as left-wing, social-democratic, dovish, secular, civil libertarian, and anti-occupation.[26][27][28][29][30]
     
    In other words, Meretz is a Dingbat Party and the member of the Israeli parliament quoted is one of them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meretz

    But consider your source. The woman you cite is a member of the Meretz Party rather than Netanyahu’s Likud that enjoys such Tea Party and Congressional Republican support.

    Thanks for the clarification because I’ve never been to Israel and don’t know much about any party not named Likud. But assuming her party is that far left, why isn’t she attacking the likudites or whoever in Israel is blocking gay marriage? I find her reference to the Tea Party out of place and troubling.

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    Marriage, like almost everything else in Israel, is highly politicized.

    In the distribution of political powers early in the country's history, Jewish marriage became the bailiwick of an association of orthodox rabbis despite the then ruling Labor Party being not so religiously observant.

    As far as I know, that hasn't changed.

    Among other things it means that all Jewish weddings have to follow orthodox rules. So, no civil marriages and, obviously, no gay marriages. Because Israel will recognize a marriage effected outside Israel, it is possible for a Jewish Israeli couple to travel to Cyprus for their wedding and then fly back to Israel (happens much more often than you'd think).

    I am waiting to see what Israel will do if (when?) two Jewish homosexuals show up with a marriage certificate from the US or Europe.

    That could precipitate a hell of a political fight over long established political arrangements.
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  115. @iSteveFan

    But consider your source. The woman you cite is a member of the Meretz Party rather than Netanyahu’s Likud that enjoys such Tea Party and Congressional Republican support.
     
    Thanks for the clarification because I've never been to Israel and don't know much about any party not named Likud. But assuming her party is that far left, why isn't she attacking the likudites or whoever in Israel is blocking gay marriage? I find her reference to the Tea Party out of place and troubling.

    Marriage, like almost everything else in Israel, is highly politicized.

    In the distribution of political powers early in the country’s history, Jewish marriage became the bailiwick of an association of orthodox rabbis despite the then ruling Labor Party being not so religiously observant.

    As far as I know, that hasn’t changed.

    Among other things it means that all Jewish weddings have to follow orthodox rules. So, no civil marriages and, obviously, no gay marriages. Because Israel will recognize a marriage effected outside Israel, it is possible for a Jewish Israeli couple to travel to Cyprus for their wedding and then fly back to Israel (happens much more often than you’d think).

    I am waiting to see what Israel will do if (when?) two Jewish homosexuals show up with a marriage certificate from the US or Europe.

    That could precipitate a hell of a political fight over long established political arrangements.

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  116. Rob McX says:
    @rod1963
    Today ISIS celebrated gay marriage by throwing 4 gay men off a five story building to their deaths. A beautiful example of diversity in action.

    Many ISIS goons were also seen using the hashtag LoveWins.

    Link:
    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/06/islamic-state-marks-gay-marriage-ruling-by-throwing-4-gay-men-off-a-roof

    So much for WWT among the Muslims. They just laugh and kill gays and trannies. It seems to be quite the past time with them.

    So lets not label it WW T, it's more like a dangerous social engineering experiment foisted on the American people at the point of a cop with a machine gun who will do bad things to us if we don't obey the legal fiats by a unaccountable and dangerous judiciary.

    That said, the judiciary is well on it's way of becoming irrelevant in the eyes of the people who only see a system that rewards insiders and the wealthy at the expense of everyone else. Kelo was the first set of nails in that coffin. This one just put a whole bunch more nails in it. To the winning side it's great, but they're playing with fire because once the legal system becomes viewed as a rubber stamp of the elite, it and the government it supports will have no standing with the people as rulings favoring the chosen occurs more and more. In the end they'll simply be a bunch of thugs with guns.

    The most hilarious part of this whole circus was CNN mistakenly reporting an ISIS flag being flown in the London Gay Pride parade. What the reporter thought was Arabic script on the flag was actually a drawing of a number of sex toys.

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  117. I should have added a couple of lines to my prior comment.

    American politics loom very large in Israel. Israelis follow US elections very closely and they do note differences between Democrats and Republicans, liberals and conservatives.

    They even borrow some ideas and techniques from US examples. A surprising number of US political consultants have also worked in Israel–not all of them Jewish.

    Most, if not all, who have worked for Likud have been Republicans. I have never heard of a major league GOP strategist/pollster who has worked for Labour.

    Because the Israeli right is more hawkish, religious, and free enterprise friendly than the left, Israelis tend to see their country’s right and left corresponding to those in the US.

    There is some logic to this. Sarah Silverman’s sister (Meretz candidate) in Israel has social views identical to those of her sister who stayed in the US.

    So they tend to see their opponents in the US and Israel in very simar terms.

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    Thanks for posting. As I understand you the religious groups will have the final say on whether or not gay marriage happens in Israel. Will they be subjected to ridicule until they relent, or will they be treated with a modicum of respect given their religious beliefs? I doubt any religious group in the USA is going to be treated with respect if they do not agree to perform gay weddings.
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  118. iSteveFan says:
    @PV van der Byl
    I should have added a couple of lines to my prior comment.

    American politics loom very large in Israel. Israelis follow US elections very closely and they do note differences between Democrats and Republicans, liberals and conservatives.

    They even borrow some ideas and techniques from US examples. A surprising number of US political consultants have also worked in Israel--not all of them Jewish.

    Most, if not all, who have worked for Likud have been Republicans. I have never heard of a major league GOP strategist/pollster who has worked for Labour.

    Because the Israeli right is more hawkish, religious, and free enterprise friendly than the left, Israelis tend to see their country's right and left corresponding to those in the US.

    There is some logic to this. Sarah Silverman's sister (Meretz candidate) in Israel has social views identical to those of her sister who stayed in the US.

    So they tend to see their opponents in the US and Israel in very simar terms.

    Thanks for posting. As I understand you the religious groups will have the final say on whether or not gay marriage happens in Israel. Will they be subjected to ridicule until they relent, or will they be treated with a modicum of respect given their religious beliefs? I doubt any religious group in the USA is going to be treated with respect if they do not agree to perform gay weddings.

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    I am curious to see if there will be any reaction to this:

    http://advocacy.ou.org/2015/orthodox-union-statement-supreme-courts-ruling-obergefell-v-hodges/
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  119. @frizzled
    I would like to see a hard-nosed discussion of how the mainstreaming of trans is likely to play out politically.

    Transgender is a fracture point for the mainstream left as the Dolezal brouhaha proved. To the extent that the mainstream left has to 'explain' transgender they have a problem. And to the extent the public's accepted transgender, it's because they haven't realized what it entails, or think it's the same thing as being gay (this is an astonishingly common attitude thanks to the use of 'LGBT' as politically correct synonym for 'gay').

    Transgender is especially bad for gays as trans causes hitched to gay rights as part of the 'LGBT' bandwagon are a poison pill. Marriage and nondiscrimination, fine, but letting men into their daughters' change rooms?

    Most conservatives haven't yet figured this out, because they're consumed with attacking gays, but they will. Gay rights can be defended using the framing of equality and fairness. No such defense exists for transgender. The concept is incoherent, denies biological reality, and has obvious conflicts with a fixed conception of (e.g.) ethnic identity. It reduces human identity to wishful thinking. Of political importance, while conservatives may like the trans-ing of gay men, the much larger straight autogynephile 'lesbian' component also presents the most sexually threatening stereotype imaginable.

    The smarter conservatives can even co-opt the language and philosophical positions of different factions seeking social justice to judo them into attacking each other. If I were really a skilled operator, I could probably do that without actually advocating any anti-feminist, anti-trans, or pro-racism sentiment at all. Like, "Hey I'm cool with oppressed groups X, Y and Z, but let's talk about how X is bad for oppressing Y, and Y is bad for oppressing Z, and how everyone is bad for not recognizing the even tinier, more oppressed group represented by (say) Rachel Dolezal."

    I hope some here are thinking about this.

    I used to have a cross-dressing landlord when I lived in London so I’ll come in from another angle.

    The majority of hetero transsexuals are cross-dressers who have wandered off the larger cross-dressing reservation, and now think they are actual women, as opposed to guys who just dress up as women for fun. In statistical terms they are only a small proportion of the hetero tranny population but they’ve suddenly become media starlets.

    In contrast to flamboyant homosexuals with their gay narcissism parades, cross-dressers usually just act girly in private or through highly secretive clubs, like Triess and the Beaumont Club (think the Masons, but with everyone dressed like their aunts).

    Why the right liberal media (headed by the Daily Mail) has got in behind transsexuals is still a mystery. One possibility it that autogynephiliac baby-boomers want a return to the pre-gaydar and gangsta rap days of the early 70s when straight white guys could look and act like girls without being laughed at. However, I’d agree the liberal left may well have bitten off more than it can chew by suddenly allowing heterosexual transsexuals into the LGBT movement as the political shit could fly in many directions.

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    I just realised that openly sentence has an awkward sexual connotation, but it's too late for editing, so lets just say it was a purely business relationship.
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  120. @unpc downunder
    I used to have a cross-dressing landlord when I lived in London so I'll come in from another angle.

    The majority of hetero transsexuals are cross-dressers who have wandered off the larger cross-dressing reservation, and now think they are actual women, as opposed to guys who just dress up as women for fun. In statistical terms they are only a small proportion of the hetero tranny population but they've suddenly become media starlets.

    In contrast to flamboyant homosexuals with their gay narcissism parades, cross-dressers usually just act girly in private or through highly secretive clubs, like Triess and the Beaumont Club (think the Masons, but with everyone dressed like their aunts).

    Why the right liberal media (headed by the Daily Mail) has got in behind transsexuals is still a mystery. One possibility it that autogynephiliac baby-boomers want a return to the pre-gaydar and gangsta rap days of the early 70s when straight white guys could look and act like girls without being laughed at. However, I'd agree the liberal left may well have bitten off more than it can chew by suddenly allowing heterosexual transsexuals into the LGBT movement as the political shit could fly in many directions.

    I just realised that openly sentence has an awkward sexual connotation, but it’s too late for editing, so lets just say it was a purely business relationship.

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  121. WhatEvvs [AKA "Prada Yada Yada"] says:
    @big red
    The only clever option I can see now is to support economic populism. We gave big business everything they wanted and they stabbed us in the back (conservatives). It's time for us to return the favor unless they get right, and fast.

    How you gonna do this? Americans are in love with their corporate produced crap. They’ll never give their toys up.

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  122. @iSteveFan
    Thanks for posting. As I understand you the religious groups will have the final say on whether or not gay marriage happens in Israel. Will they be subjected to ridicule until they relent, or will they be treated with a modicum of respect given their religious beliefs? I doubt any religious group in the USA is going to be treated with respect if they do not agree to perform gay weddings.
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    I say good for them for that statement. I will like to see if any Christian group who makes a similar statement gets treated more or less harshly in the press. My hunch is the Christian group will get the worse treatment. But with the Orthodox coming out with this statement it might help give cover to the various Christian groups unhappy with last Friday's ruling.
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  123. iSteveFan says:
    @PV van der Byl
    I am curious to see if there will be any reaction to this:

    http://advocacy.ou.org/2015/orthodox-union-statement-supreme-courts-ruling-obergefell-v-hodges/

    I say good for them for that statement. I will like to see if any Christian group who makes a similar statement gets treated more or less harshly in the press. My hunch is the Christian group will get the worse treatment. But with the Orthodox coming out with this statement it might help give cover to the various Christian groups unhappy with last Friday’s ruling.

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  124. ic1000 says:

    Here’s the mirror image of Steve’s post: a Cathedral media organ celebrates the pivot of the never-ending struggle for Truth and Justice away from the triumphs of World War G. Comrades, the upcoming victories of World War T will only be won through your blood, sweat, and tears! Oh — and other people’s money, of course.

    After Supreme Court Decision, What’s Next For Gay Rights Groups?
    July 01, 2015
    Morning Edition, NPR News
    by Tovia Smith

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