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I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot. From the Washington Post:

How the Jewish identity of ‘Wonder Woman’s’ star is causing a stir
By Sarah Pulliam Bailey June 7 at 6:13 PM

“Wonder Woman” has drawn all kinds of controversy over gender politics since its release last Friday, but it has also put the spotlight on Jewish debates over race and nationality. …

The debate “Are Jews white?” has seen a resurgence since the presidential election last year and was resurrected surrounding the release of “Wonder Woman.” …

The Obama Administration sponsored a Census Bureau initiative to carve away part of its white category by creating a separate nonwhite racial category entitled Middle Eastern and North African, which would seemingly include Israelis like Gadot. What the Trump Administration will do with this proposal is unknown.

My view is that the Federal Government usually wins arguments over racial categorization. If the Feds decide that South Asians and East Asians are the same race, eventually most people will

Gadot defies some of the stereotypes of women, especially as many Jewish women were portrayed on film as unattractive or the funny sidekick, said Emily Shire, politics editor at Bustle.

Sailer’s First Law of Female Journalism …

“It’s a landmark film for women for so many reasons, and this takes it to another level,” Shire said. “There is a history of Jews making movies and Jews loving movies, but who was on screen?” …

I dunno … Hedy Lamarr, Lauren Bacall?

Leading ladies are probably more often part Jewish, like Scarlett Johannson and Goldie Hawn, than full Jewish. Much the same seems to be true for leading men, like Paul Newman and Harrison Ford.

Here’s a strange assertion from the WaPo:

When European Jews began to immigrate to the United States, they were legally considered white while they were barred from activity in U.S. public life.

This would have come as a surprise to Senators David Levy Yulee and Judah P. Benjamin and Representative Lewis Charles Levin, all of whom served in Congress before the Civil War.

You don’t hear much about these guys because their politics are out of fashion. Levin was perhaps the most talented demagogue associated with the nativist Know Nothing party, and enjoyed a tumultuous life of riots and brawls before dying insane at an early age. Levy Yulee and Benjamin supported secession and slavery. Levy Yulee, the “Florida Fire Eater,” was locked up by the victorious Union for 9 months, while Benjamin escaped punishment by slipping away to Britain, where he became an important figure in the law.

 
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  1. Lynda Carter Is Beautiful:

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    • Agree: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    She was spectacularly beautiful.

    But one of the conceits of her '70s Wonder Woman was that she was supposed to be plain-looking as an Army secretary.
    , @Rifleman
    Now the important question is - Is Linda Jean Córdova Carter White?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynda_Carter

    Carter was born in Phoenix, Arizona, the daughter of Juanita (née Córdova) and Colby Carter.

    Her father is of English and Scots-Irish ancestry, and her mother, whose family hailed from Mexico, is of Mexican, Spanish and French descent

    Or for that matter what about Catherine Bach from The Dukes of Hazzard.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Bach

    Bach was born in Warren, Ohio, the daughter of Norma Jean Kucera (née Verdugo), an acupuncturist, and Bernard Bachman, a rancher.

    Her mother was of Mexican descent and her father was of German ancestry.

    Or Raquel Welch?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raquel_Welch

    Welch was born as Jo-Raquel Tejada on September 5, 1940 in Chicago, Illinois.

    Her father, Armando Carlos Tejada Urquizo (1911–1976), was an aeronautical engineer from La Paz, Bolivia, born to Agustin Tejada and Raquel Urquizo; Welch was named after her paternal grandmother.

    Her mother, Josephine Sarah (née Hall; 1909–2000), was the daughter of architect Emery Stanford Hall and his wife Clara Louise Adams, and was of English origin, originally of Salford, Lancashire, that dated back to the Mayflower.

    , @Neoconned
    The Germans were the bad guys even though it was about WW1....

    If i were German id boycott it

    The acting was contrived and like i figuref it was going to be terrible.

    DCs problem is that unlike Marvel most of its characters age terribly.

    W the exception of Batman, Supe and maybe Green Lantern & a few of their minor characters like Lobo they dont have good characters
    , @Father O'Hara
    Indeed
    , @William Badwhite
    25 or so years ago I was driving in suburban DC (VA) with a friend and we saw a really attractive woman standing next to a broken-down Mercedes convertible. We pulled over to help and it was Lynda Carter. She was very nice, very polite, and had a good sense of humor (or at least rolled with our endless Wonder Woman jibes).

    As I was driving her to a friend's house she said "I bet you're wondering why I didn't just fly my invisible airplane".

    She was classically beautiful. She'll be beautiful in her 80's.
    , @Robert Dunn
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  2. “I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot.” — Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

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    • Replies: @guest
    She looks like a model, which is to say she's masculine* and not pretty (though I wouldn't say ugly), but she fits the currently accepted standards of beauty foisted upon us by high culture.

    *Square jaw, protruding forehead, bump in nose, high flat cheekbones, big mouth, noticeable lack of daintiness. And that's just the face.
    , @fish

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    I understand all those words....just not arranged like that!
    , @Johanus de Morgateroyde

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Says you. She doesn't look like Lynda Carter but what she does look like is extraordinarily healthy, especially considering that she's in her early 30s - more than a dozen years past when she was Miss Israel.

    As almost everything human males consider "attractive" is some kind of signal of fertility or fecundity, one suspects that she radiates "attractiveness" in the form of "health" and "symmetric features" to such a high degree that she reduces most men she meets to fidgeting and babbling in her presence.
    , @Lot

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Cool doodz on the Internet disdain any woman not qualified for a non-air-brushed SI Swimsuit cover.
    , @Patrick Harris
    Oh c'mon. Gadot doesn't fit my reactionary aesthetic ideal of womanly perfection either, but in the real world she would turn the head of any man with a pulse.
    , @syonredux

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    No, she's pretty; she's just not as beautiful as Lynda Carter was in her prime.
    , @Art Deco
    http://geekleagueofamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Gal-Gadot-HD-Wallpaper.jpg


    Whatever.
    , @biz

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Israel derangement is now turning people gay, apparently.

    Gal Gadot is freaking hot. Have you seen her body? And that's after kids.

    , @Anonym
    Facially she is pretty (there are prettier IMO - I would not put her in a top x list that anyone would have the patience to read) but her body is fairly straight up and down. It doesn't do much for me.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Hmmm. She’s rather fine looking for an Amazon warrior. Don’t let the fact that she’s Israeli distort your perception of aesthetics. :)
    , @oddsbodkins
    > Gal Gadot is not pretty.

    Congratulations, you have passed the homosexuality test.
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    Do a Google image search of "Gal Godot," as I just did. Wanted to see for myself. Conclusion: Smoking hot.
    , @MSP
    "Gal Gadot is not pretty" - You're on crack. She's beautiful.
    , @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Not everyone can be the perfect Aryan beauty.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/02/nazi-aryan-baby-jewish_n_5551517.html
    , @Danindc
    https://youtu.be/8XMNUcWl79Y

    Who her? No, she's ugly.
    , @AnotherDad
    Gal Gadot:

    Pretty -- Yes
    Cute -- Yes
    Womanly figure -- No
    Boyish figure -- A bit. But no boys are built like that.
    Feminine -- Definitely
    MILF -- Absolutely
    Makes Another Dad's eugenic propagation list -- Yes
    Gives a flying rat's ass what any of us think -- No
    Status -- Laughing all the way to the bank.
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  3. “Florida Fire Easter” sounds a bit too bunny-centric.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Levy_Yulee says:
    Yulee’s inflammatory pro-slavery rhetoric in the Senate earned him the nickname “Florida Fire Eater”.

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  4. neutral says:

    I might as well post this here because it is certainly related.

    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/yes-ashkenazi-jews-including-gal-gadot-are-people-of-color/

    I really don’t know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white, if they don’t see themselves as white, then how can one not accept this ? In the case of Gal Gadot, she certainly has Arabic features.

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    I really don’t know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white, if they don’t see themselves as white, then how can one not accept this ?
     
    I gotta tell this to some of my Irish colleagues. Listen, guys, all you have to do is say that the Irish aren't White...then watch the affirmative action gibs roll in.....
    , @Lot
    I am pretty white looking, but happy to troll libtards by calling myself a "people of color."

    Wonder Woman: There is a person of color in the lead role
     
    Excellent!

    Now let us take a look at the history and heritage of Ashkenazi Jews. An indigenous people of the Middle East, Ashkenazi Jews were driven out of their homeland by European (and later Arab) colonists and taken as slaves to Europe where they were consistently regarded as savages,
     
    Boy the Times of Israel has some very low standards for its bloggers. There is absolutely no evidence that the proto-Ashkenazi migration to Italy and Gaul was as slaves. Perhaps the Romans did grab some slaves from the ranks of Jewish revolters, but more likely they just left because 100BC-300AD Israel was relatively poor and crowded compared to Europe and North Africa.

    And even those Jews who did convert were still viewed with suspicion, and treated as second class.
     
    Some were obviously faking their conversion, so the "suspicion" was for good reason. Nonetheless, the converted Jews heavily intermarried with the Spanish gentry and lower nobility, so they were hardly "second class" citizens.

    A few choice quotes from some of the more notable European philosophers (as well as some who are less notable) should prove instructive
     

    The only "notable" person on the list is Kant, who was not an ethnographer and never traveled more than a few miles from his birthplace. As Steve notes, both the laws of the USA and Europe, and the actual behavior of Europeans, showed Ashkenazi and Euro-Sephardic Jews were already considered white Europeans. Can we imagine the UK electing a black or Asian PM in 1868 and 1874? Or someone married to a black or asian in 1894?
    , @Stealth
    LOL.

    Officially jumping ship would be a stupendously dumb idea.

    1. With so many powerful whites becoming folk of color overnight, Americans still wearing the scarlet W would immediately seem - and feel - a hell of a lot less privileged, and the social justice con would become less potent really fast.

    2. Jews would be alienating their greatest allies: white evangelicals and other pro-Israel Republicans.

    3. Now being on the outside, Jewish progressives would probably lose a lot of influence over their gentile counterparts.

    I'm sure this list could be embellished, but suffice it to say that such a move would be Bad For The Jews in many ways.
    , @International Jew

    I really don’t know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white
     
    For the record, I'm white. And when the "are we white" topic has come up, I've helpfully (nah, maliciously) suggested we ask a black person his opinion.
    , @Judah Benjamin Hur
    There are some ridiculous Jews and then there are people like you who convince them that they're sane. Congratulations.
    , @Anon7
    Her ancestry is Polish-Jewish, Austrian-Jewish, German-Jewish, and Czech-Jewish.
    , @Chris Mallory
    I took my daughter to see it this morning. One thing I noticed, when before "Diana" took the mantle and when she was in her "secret identity", her skin seemed to have much more of an olive tone. When she was in WW mode, her skin appeared, to me anyway, to be lighter.
    , @Jay Fink
    I am only one individual and perhaps I don't speak for all Jews but I was very much raised to think of myself as white. The whole idea of not being white would seem crazy to any of my relatives.
    , @Right wing Jew
    So because one half mick leftwinger says Ashkenazis arent white in a blog post, thats the be all end all? Ashkenazim are white in every way just like the Lebanese and Syrian Christians that blend right in and you wouldnt know without an autistic level facial analysis (Ralph Nader, Ray LaHood, John Sununu, etc). And any Jew who denies this should spend time in a black neighborhood or in a POC conference and see how long they last.
    , @Marcus
    Arabic is a language you fool
    , @Robert Dunn
    What about Jews from Ireland, England, Sweden, Germany, France etc??? Are they also 'not white'?
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  5. guest says:

    Is it possible they’re not aware one of the biggest female stars in Hollywood, Natalie Portman, is not only Jewish but was born in Jerusalem? She gets to star in plenty of action movies, too, though she’s not usually drop kicking 300-lb. men herself.

    They don’t try very hard writing these articles. They take some little nugget, like Wonder Woman being Israeli and non-hideous, and immediately go off on a flight of fancy, never pausing to check actual movie history or logic.

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    • Agree: Abe, Forbes
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    Or Carrie Fisher.

    There is a subset of Jews who are really into playing the victim.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    https://emilyshire.com/. A solid 5, maybe 6 if I were drinking, but the crazy bs coming out of her mouth would probably put me off.

    My daddy always said, "Never sleep with anyone crazier than you are". I would still be a virgin had I followed Dad's advice.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    If you think the "where are the Jews onscreen?" take is dumb, consider that this Wonder Woman movie already spawned a debate about whether Wonder Woman should shave her underarms.

    https://twitter.com/WomenintheWorld/status/845266457525039104
    , @AnotherDad

    They take some little nugget, like Wonder Woman being Israeli and non-hideous, and immediately go off on a flight of fancy, never pausing to check actual movie history or logic.
     
    Guessing that the "merchant quibbling" gene structure also expresses as the "whiny" phenotype.

    Yes Jews have got one big thing to be sore about--the Holocaust. But they'll find everything and anything--e.g. the golfocaust--to whine about.

    Jews are obviously over-represented in front of the camera as well as behind. Just not at the crazy levels of writers or studio execs. Which of course makes sense because Hollywood's Jews are making movies and TV for America's gentiles so they don't go with--obvious (explicitly Jewish phenotype)--Jews 24x7x365. That's called "business". But if say a 98% gentile nation has say 90% gentile actors ... you'll have some Jews--especially Jewish women--readily available to whine about it. It's in the DNA.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Hollywood has always been totally about physical type, not who anybody really is. Natalie Wood and Yul Brynner looked exotic, so they played many ethnic types, including Jewish, which neither was. Lauren Bacall was a blonde siren, so that's what she played. Shelley Winters (born Shirley Schrift to Austrian Jewish parents) started out as a blonde 7th-Avenue model, so she played bombshells, and had to lobby for her part in "A Place in the Sun" because they thought she didn't look mousy enough to play Alice Tripp. Eventually, she aged into frumpy matron roles. Winona Ryder (born Horowitz) is a natural blonde, but got most of her work with brunette hair.

    Now that it's frowned-on for non-minorities to play minorities, not sure how all of this is going to play out. Sad, because it used to be called, "Acting."
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    Has Gal Gadot had plastic surgery?

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  7. guest says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    She looks like a model, which is to say she’s masculine* and not pretty (though I wouldn’t say ugly), but she fits the currently accepted standards of beauty foisted upon us by high culture.

    *Square jaw, protruding forehead, bump in nose, high flat cheekbones, big mouth, noticeable lack of daintiness. And that’s just the face.

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    "bump in nose"??
    , @AnotherGuessModel
    Bumps on noses are hardly foisted on us as a beauty ideal, since 99% of female entertainers and models (even ones that would surprise you) whittle down their nose bridges. Her features are definitely strong, but also refined, which is another classic feminine ideal alongside dainty prettiness.

    http://www.hypable.com/gal-gadot-signs-three-picture-deal-to-play-wonder-woman/
    , @Truth


    *Square jaw, protruding forehead, bump in nose, high flat cheekbones, big mouth, noticeable lack of daintiness. And that’s just the face.
     
    OK, you got %90 of the puzzle, now bring it home, Baby!
    , @TWS
    Sharp knees too. Hideous. No man could hit that.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    Square jaw, protruding forehead, bump in nose, high flat cheekbones, big mouth, ...

     

    ... sharp knees. 2/10 would not bang.
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  8. What oppressive patriarchy decided that movie stars should be blonde shiksas?

    It speaks to the iSteve theory about the origin of feminism as a rechanneling of the target of Jewish women’s envy and resentment from Jewish men to men in general.

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  9. Zoodles says:

    I am in favour of Jews no longer being white. Once that is clarified, the statistics of power and wealth distribution in the english speaking world suddenly become much clearer.

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    True, and many leading Universities would become majority non-White School overnight.

    current breakdown at Harvard.
    28% Jews, North Africans, Arabs, Middle Eastern and Persian.
    22% Asian
    21% White
    13% Black
    12% Hispanic
    3% Native American (probably mostly whites like Sen. Warren)

    probably many Jews will not self identify as being MENA. most Half Asians will identify as White when they apply to Harvard. I know a Korean adoptee who attended Penn, she identified as White to increase her chances of being accepted, and it worked
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  10. @guest
    Is it possible they're not aware one of the biggest female stars in Hollywood, Natalie Portman, is not only Jewish but was born in Jerusalem? She gets to star in plenty of action movies, too, though she's not usually drop kicking 300-lb. men herself.

    They don't try very hard writing these articles. They take some little nugget, like Wonder Woman being Israeli and non-hideous, and immediately go off on a flight of fancy, never pausing to check actual movie history or logic.

    Or Carrie Fisher.

    There is a subset of Jews who are really into playing the victim.

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    Portman was awful in the prequels. (Everyone was awful, though, so you can't blame only her.)

    It was depressing to see how bad Fisher looked in the ripoff (the first new one). I haven't seen the newest new film - J.J. has made two so far, right?

    Fisher had an amusing cameo in Scream 3 as someone who looked an awful lot like ... Carrie Fisher.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kdKjQgUVDaI
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  11. @guest
    She looks like a model, which is to say she's masculine* and not pretty (though I wouldn't say ugly), but she fits the currently accepted standards of beauty foisted upon us by high culture.

    *Square jaw, protruding forehead, bump in nose, high flat cheekbones, big mouth, noticeable lack of daintiness. And that's just the face.

    “bump in nose”??

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    That's how I put it, though maybe that's not correct. I'm not an expert on nose shape. But as I said in another post, high fashion models are supposed to have both noses that stand out and deep indentations where the nose meets the brow.* This at least makes it appear as though they have bumps in the ridge of their noses.

    Look at Gadot's face in profile. You'll see what I mean. If there's a better term for it than a bump, I'll gladly adopt it.

    *Presumably because that's how men's faces work, and the fashion industry is run by homos. I can't think of any other explanation.
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  12. J.Ross says: • Website

    Two items.

    To Steve’s point, back when Al Franken first ran against Norm Coleman for the Senate seat representing Minnesota, which had been made famous by the late lamented Paul Wellstone, a Jewish blog (which no longer exists) plaintively wondered whether those dumb flyover rednecks in Saskatcheconsin or whatever it’s called could bring themselves to Elect whom God had Chosen. Some impolite wag asked how the blogger could type such a thing given that all of the people involved, elected, defeated, or assassinated, were obviously Jewish. A few hours last that blog post was removed without explanation. But Jews reflexively take for granted that they are universally and irrationally hated, no matter how many times they are elected.
    “Oh sure, I see how it is — all of you want me to move to DC!”

    Second point, the creepy one: Is the anorexic mousy Arabish Gadot a refutation to my creepy Law that “phenotypically Jewish girls are gorgeous, but nobody hates them worse than Hollywood or Israeli public relations?” Gadot has something of a history in Israeli public relations, and her perfectly balanced pleasant-mousiness is definitely a plus in attracting, or not offending, female audiences: would these same “body positive” audiences embrace a modern day young Lynda Carter? Maybe this is a refutation of the Law, but it does not mean that we have the true total freedom of casting, which we will possibly see in our lifetimes once Hollywood finally dies.

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    But Jews reflexively take for granted that they are universally and irrationally hated, no matter how many times they are elected.

    That is a symptom of a guilty conscience.
    , @Jack D
    Gadot is 100% Ashkenazi and not the least bit "Arabish". If she were French or Spanish or Italian (and she could pass for any of them) no one would accuse her of being "Arabish".
    , @Karl
    11 J Ross > the anorexic mousy Arabish Gadot


    From the Hebrew-wikipedia page about her: Her sabra parents had an original name of Greenshtein. Pops was an engineer and ima was a public-school teacher. Gal herself was allowed to defer her conscription-mobilization to age 20 because she had a job (a few paying gigs) as a model (such a deferment is not ridiculously difficult to get with some plausible story, especially if your pops knows somebody).

    She was NOT an officer; she only did the (female) required basic 2 years, serving as a physical-training assistant. Gal probably spun tales of being Army Superwoman to these very gullible Hollywood Jews. But the ==actual== job of a "madasnikit" is to babysit low-medical-profile guys through the remedial physical-fitness course to be able to be shoved into a lower-tier infantry unit, ones that accept non-elite guys.

    A madasnikit is not any kind of elite duty, my friends.
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  13. J.Ross says: • Website

    Expanding on my first item: I have an over-long and just-fatuous-enough book titled “Hollywood’s Image of the Jew.” It essentially argues that Hollywood is really controlled by WASP bigotry as opposed to say the folks who own the studios and make all the decisions.

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  14. @guest
    Is it possible they're not aware one of the biggest female stars in Hollywood, Natalie Portman, is not only Jewish but was born in Jerusalem? She gets to star in plenty of action movies, too, though she's not usually drop kicking 300-lb. men herself.

    They don't try very hard writing these articles. They take some little nugget, like Wonder Woman being Israeli and non-hideous, and immediately go off on a flight of fancy, never pausing to check actual movie history or logic.

    https://emilyshire.com/. A solid 5, maybe 6 if I were drinking, but the crazy bs coming out of her mouth would probably put me off.

    My daddy always said, “Never sleep with anyone crazier than you are”. I would still be a virgin had I followed Dad’s advice.

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    Google Images has a panoply of shots where Ms. Shire ranges from "It's late and I'm drunk" to "Not enough scotch has been distilled".
    , @Moshe
    Did your dad want you to exclusively fuck straight men?
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  15. songbird says:

    If Jews were a separate demographic category for affirmative action purposes, I suspect a lot of Jews would quickly stop supporting affirmative action – at least in such a form.

    Many people on the left used to hate the old Hercules TV show with Kevin Sorbo because they considered it “whitewashed.” It always amused me greatly, like they were trying to peal off Greeks into some anti-Western coalition. Of course, they were silent about the Rock playing him.

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    Of course, they were silent about the Rock playing him.
     
    Hey, everybody knows that Polynesians were thick on the ground in Ancient Greece...
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  16. fish says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.

    I understand all those words….just not arranged like that!

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  17. @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.

    Says you. She doesn’t look like Lynda Carter but what she does look like is extraordinarily healthy, especially considering that she’s in her early 30s – more than a dozen years past when she was Miss Israel.

    As almost everything human males consider “attractive” is some kind of signal of fertility or fecundity, one suspects that she radiates “attractiveness” in the form of “health” and “symmetric features” to such a high degree that she reduces most men she meets to fidgeting and babbling in her presence.

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    "what she does look like is extraordinarily healthy"

    Health is necessary but insufficient. Good-looking men are healthy, too, but they aren't pretty. (Unless they're pretty boys, but that just means they're prettier than normal for a male.)

    "As almost everything human males consider 'attractive' is some kind of sign of fertility or fecundity, one suspects that she radiates 'attractiveness' in the form of 'health' and 'symmetric features'"

    You pick unisex qualities, which could be present in both males and females. But humans, as you may have forgotten, are sexually dimorphic. Normal, heterosexual males aren't attracted to Abstract Fertility. They're attracted to secondary sexual characteristics developed by women during puberty. They like their women to be feminine.

    Masculine-looking women and prepubescent females are not attractive to the them no matter how clear is their skin, nor how trim they are. We weren't talking about attraction, anyway, but about prettiness. It's even less true that unfeminine women can be pretty. Because prettiness implies femininity.

    , @fish
    She reminds me a bit of Michelle Jenneke but prettier. Jenneke is cute too but maybe a bit too boyish for most tastes!
    , @Marty
    Gadot was born in 1985, the same year in which the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history took her star turn: Rosanna Arquette in Eight Million Ways to Die.
    , @San Fernando Curt
    She's a beautiful woman.
    , @SteveRogers42
    And not just men.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuAe1pZQnaQ
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  18. syonredux says:
    @neutral
    I might as well post this here because it is certainly related.
    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/yes-ashkenazi-jews-including-gal-gadot-are-people-of-color/

    I really don't know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white, if they don't see themselves as white, then how can one not accept this ? In the case of Gal Gadot, she certainly has Arabic features.

    I really don’t know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white, if they don’t see themselves as white, then how can one not accept this ?

    I gotta tell this to some of my Irish colleagues. Listen, guys, all you have to do is say that the Irish aren’t White…then watch the affirmative action gibs roll in…..

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    Most Irish people like whites and like being white. Unlike the Jews, the Irish are not continuously scheming to bring about the downfall of white nations.
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  19. Lot says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.

    Cool doodz on the Internet disdain any woman not qualified for a non-air-brushed SI Swimsuit cover.

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  20. @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    Oh c’mon. Gadot doesn’t fit my reactionary aesthetic ideal of womanly perfection either, but in the real world she would turn the head of any man with a pulse.

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  21. syonredux says:

    From the Forward

    The whiteness of “Wonder Woman” doesn’t seem up for debate. And yet, some have decided to debate it. An argument has been bubbling underground on social media that Gal Gadot, who plays the title role, is actually a person of color. It was aired in full by Matthew Mueller at comicbook.com. “Gal Gadot is not actually Caucasian, but is in fact Israeli,” Mueller announces confidently. He then goes on to chastise POC critics for not recognizing her casting as triumph for diverse representation.

    Mueller doesn’t actually have much of an argument. He mentions a Times of Israel blog post which points to the history of Jewish oppression and waffles back and forth on whether Jews might be considered POC. But mostly Mueller just announces “Gadot is Israeli!” like a magician pulling a piece of lint out of a hat and trying to convince you it’s a rabbit.

    In this context, the best definition of white people is simply “people who are considered white.” Gadot’s nationality was not a secret; she wasn’t passing as something other than Israeli. Mueller is arguing that when people see Gadot as white, they are wrong. But being white is really just a matter of what people see you as. People know Gadot’s background; they simply see that background as consistent with whiteness —David Edelstein’s bizarrely exoticizing comment that Israeli women are “a breed unto themselves” notwithstanding. For that matter, in Israel itself, Gadot’s skin color and European background protect her from the kind of discrimination faced by Ethiopian Jews, other dark-skinned Jews, and Palestinians.

    Among those who see Gadot as white are the “Wonder Woman” filmmakers. Gadot is Jewish and Israeli, but — like the Jewish Scarlett Johansson — Hollywood perceives her in terms of unpsecified whiteness. In the film, Wonder Woman’s mother is played by Connie Nielsen, a white Danish actor. Wonder Woman as a young girl is played (in a show-stealing turn) by white actress Lilly Aspell. Gadot got the role as Wonder Woman precisely because she is seen as an appropriate actor to play a character who has traditionally been white.

    http://forward.com/culture/film-tv/373658/gal-gadots-wonder-woman-is-white-lets-not-pretend-otherwise/

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    The same folks that tell us race is a social construct, now inform us of this new (well, 21st century) category: person of color.

    I'm so pasty white, my skin tone is pink--does that make me a person of color? I look forward to affirmative action and the rest of the bag of gibmedats...
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  22. Had they actually been barred from public life, it would be just another real or imaginary sanction of tribal suffering they could share with other non-whites. It’s a lot more attractive a presentation than what’s believed by most non-whites, more-conscious whites, and even Jews willing to be honest about it: That Jews claim to be white when it’s advantageous for them to do so – and non-white for the same reason. Giving them their Middle Eastern ethnic option could at least send them packing from the tent. “A people apart” works for me. … And good riddance.

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  23. syonredux says:

    The Obama Administration sponsored a Census Bureau initiative to carve away part of its white category by creating a separate nonwhite racial category entitled Middle Eastern and North African, which would seemingly include Israelis like Gadot.

    Which, when you bear in mind where Gadot’s family comes from, is kinda funny:

    Gal was born to a Jewish family in Israel. Her family were Jewish immigrants from Belarus, Lithuania, Russia, Poland, Austria, Czechoslovakia, and Germany.

    http://ethnicelebs.com/gal-gadot

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    Must be the Magic Dirt in Israel that transmuted her ethnic heritage into MENA, and a person of color.
    , @International Jew
    I hate to further complicate matters, but Gadot's children could qualify as Hispanic, on account of their father's name, Varsano, which is Spanish-Jewish.
    , @MBlanc46
    And as an old Jewish colleague of mine used to say, "Jews look like where they come from."
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  24. syonredux says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.

    No, she’s pretty; she’s just not as beautiful as Lynda Carter was in her prime.

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    Who is? Circa 1975 Lynda Carter is about as a hot as it gets.

    But Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman was much more feminine than feminist. She looked like she never touched a dumbbell. And how many times did some bad guy get the drop on her with chloroform?
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    And of course, Lynda Carter in her prime would hands down, completely outshines Katherine Hepburn in the looks department. Hands down, dear fellow, hands down. Hepburn couldn't have played such a demanding role as Wonder Woman, while Eva Gardner could have played the role without any noticeable problems.

    Lynda Carter was bona fide beautiful. She had it all. Looks, class, (was originally a high fashion model), simply amazing.

    Carter's contemporary, Jacklyn Smith, also could've played Wonder Woman. She was thinking man's Angel from Charlie's Angel. Although hailing from Texas, Miss. Smith was never said to have been part Mexican (or Hispanic for that matter).

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  25. Art Deco says:

    The stupidities you point out are another piece of evidence demonstrating John Leo’s assessment that reporters write stories by pulling out a template and filling in the blanks. The templates have all manner of contentious (and often foolish) assumptions about the society in which the reporter lives.

    It would have taken zero effort to troll around a bit to demonstrate both statements are nonsense. Here’s a point of departure:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_actors

    One of the reporters you make reference to used to write for Get Religion. You’d think an evangelical reporter might be somewhat resistant to this sort of thing. (And maybe she was and a Democratic Party hack of an editor butchered her work).

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    You appear to assume that the motivation is to spread truth.
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  26. Art Deco says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    Whatever.

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  27. syonredux says:

    I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked

    The good critical notices are largely motivated by the desire to be PC. The Great and the Good want to say nice things about a female led-and-directed superhero film. I saw it yesterday ( Didn’t pay; I theatre-hopped after watching Alien: Covenant ), and it’s just OK. It’s certainly nowhere near as enjoyable as The Dark Knight, Iron Man, or Captain America:The Winter Soldier.

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    One thing that really stood out to me regarding Wonder Woman is just how derivative it is. It's Captain America: The First Avenger mixed with the fish-out-of-water stuff from Thor. I suppose that they thought that setting the action in WWI (as opposed to WWII) would keep people from noticing....
    , @Chrisnonymous
    Winter Soldier was narcoleptically boring, so that's not a good endorsement.
    , @European-American
    > The good critical notices are largely motivated by the desire to be PC.

    That's what I thought, à la Ghostbusters, which was mostly embarrassingly dumb, though it had a lot of talent: onto the outrageous fantasy of the original, you tack on the improbability of misfit women scientists and engineers acting like tough first responders, assisted by a wimpy and stupid but cute Thor -- well, I gave it points for chutzpah anyway!

    So I expected Wonder Woman to be bad, for PC reasons and due to superhero fatigue: Doctor Strange ok, but Deadpool and that other "bad superheroes" film terrible in my book. So I was surprised to find Wonder Woman very, very enjoyable. Gal Gadot is luminous and works well with Chris Pine. Dialogue is sometimes very funny, action scenes are pretty cool (despite implausibility of those amazons as tough warriors at the start). And the message is not as dumb and tedious and childish as other superhero films: war is terrible, humans suck, grand principles fail, but humans are also capable of love and heroism and worth saving. And yes you can be a hot woman and still stand up for yourself and be admired not just for your hotness. Gal Gadot's military and Israeli background may have helped make the movie more realistic: who you gonna believe about war: Gal Gadot or Scarlett Johansson?
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  28. syonredux says:
    @songbird
    If Jews were a separate demographic category for affirmative action purposes, I suspect a lot of Jews would quickly stop supporting affirmative action - at least in such a form.

    Many people on the left used to hate the old Hercules TV show with Kevin Sorbo because they considered it "whitewashed." It always amused me greatly, like they were trying to peal off Greeks into some anti-Western coalition. Of course, they were silent about the Rock playing him.

    Of course, they were silent about the Rock playing him.

    Hey, everybody knows that Polynesians were thick on the ground in Ancient Greece…

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    Hercules' great-grandmother Andromeda, and in some versions of his lore, at least one other great-grandparent were Ethiopian. So The Rock's ethnically ambiguous looks fit what Hercules might have been imagined to look like, more than Kevin Sorbo, Kellan Lutz, or the blonde Disney version. Of course, the left would sieze on the casting of any distinctly European looks to make accusations of whitewashing, even unawares (and many are) of this tidbit about Hercules' family tree.
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  29. Lot says:
    @neutral
    I might as well post this here because it is certainly related.
    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/yes-ashkenazi-jews-including-gal-gadot-are-people-of-color/

    I really don't know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white, if they don't see themselves as white, then how can one not accept this ? In the case of Gal Gadot, she certainly has Arabic features.

    I am pretty white looking, but happy to troll libtards by calling myself a “people of color.”

    Wonder Woman: There is a person of color in the lead role

    Excellent!

    Now let us take a look at the history and heritage of Ashkenazi Jews. An indigenous people of the Middle East, Ashkenazi Jews were driven out of their homeland by European (and later Arab) colonists and taken as slaves to Europe where they were consistently regarded as savages,

    Boy the Times of Israel has some very low standards for its bloggers. There is absolutely no evidence that the proto-Ashkenazi migration to Italy and Gaul was as slaves. Perhaps the Romans did grab some slaves from the ranks of Jewish revolters, but more likely they just left because 100BC-300AD Israel was relatively poor and crowded compared to Europe and North Africa.

    And even those Jews who did convert were still viewed with suspicion, and treated as second class.

    Some were obviously faking their conversion, so the “suspicion” was for good reason. Nonetheless, the converted Jews heavily intermarried with the Spanish gentry and lower nobility, so they were hardly “second class” citizens.

    A few choice quotes from some of the more notable European philosophers (as well as some who are less notable) should prove instructive

    The only “notable” person on the list is Kant, who was not an ethnographer and never traveled more than a few miles from his birthplace. As Steve notes, both the laws of the USA and Europe, and the actual behavior of Europeans, showed Ashkenazi and Euro-Sephardic Jews were already considered white Europeans. Can we imagine the UK electing a black or Asian PM in 1868 and 1874? Or someone married to a black or asian in 1894?

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    The UK elected one or two Parsis to Parliament in the 1890s.
    , @syonredux
    And note the special treatment that the native Jews received in French Algeria:

    The French government granted the Jews, who by then numbered some 33,000,[9] French citizenship in 1870 under the décret Crémieux, while maintaining an inferior status for Muslims who, though technically French nationals, were required to apply for French citizenship and undergo a naturalization process.[10] For this reason, they are sometimes incorrectly categorized as pieds-noirs. The decision to extend citizenship to Algerian Jews was a result of pressures from prominent members of the liberal, intellectual French Jewish community, which considered the North African Jews to be "backward" and wanted to bring them into modernity.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Algeria#French_Algeria
    , @Moshe
    I don't care at all for any discussion from either side about who is "white" or not so I won't comment to that but I believe that though the Romans DID take Jewish slaves from Israel (Jvdea) and elsewhere in the aftermath of the 3 revolts (including pulmos kitos - war of quietus) the Roman world was already full of Jews in good standing. Also, 66 wasn't the first revolt either and there are some great Latin passages about (for another time).

    Also the converso intermarriage with royalty wasn't as commonplace and ubiquitous as is commonly believed. There was, as well, a big difference between conversos in 1391 and convwrsos in 1492 and 1496.
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  30. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @J.Ross
    Two items.

    To Steve's point, back when Al Franken first ran against Norm Coleman for the Senate seat representing Minnesota, which had been made famous by the late lamented Paul Wellstone, a Jewish blog (which no longer exists) plaintively wondered whether those dumb flyover rednecks in Saskatcheconsin or whatever it's called could bring themselves to Elect whom God had Chosen. Some impolite wag asked how the blogger could type such a thing given that all of the people involved, elected, defeated, or assassinated, were obviously Jewish. A few hours last that blog post was removed without explanation. But Jews reflexively take for granted that they are universally and irrationally hated, no matter how many times they are elected.
    "Oh sure, I see how it is -- all of you want me to move to DC!"

    Second point, the creepy one: Is the anorexic mousy Arabish Gadot a refutation to my creepy Law that "phenotypically Jewish girls are gorgeous, but nobody hates them worse than Hollywood or Israeli public relations?" Gadot has something of a history in Israeli public relations, and her perfectly balanced pleasant-mousiness is definitely a plus in attracting, or not offending, female audiences: would these same "body positive" audiences embrace a modern day young Lynda Carter? Maybe this is a refutation of the Law, but it does not mean that we have the true total freedom of casting, which we will possibly see in our lifetimes once Hollywood finally dies.

    But Jews reflexively take for granted that they are universally and irrationally hated, no matter how many times they are elected.

    That is a symptom of a guilty conscience.

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  31. @Art Deco
    The stupidities you point out are another piece of evidence demonstrating John Leo's assessment that reporters write stories by pulling out a template and filling in the blanks. The templates have all manner of contentious (and often foolish) assumptions about the society in which the reporter lives.


    It would have taken zero effort to troll around a bit to demonstrate both statements are nonsense. Here's a point of departure:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_actors


    One of the reporters you make reference to used to write for Get Religion. You'd think an evangelical reporter might be somewhat resistant to this sort of thing. (And maybe she was and a Democratic Party hack of an editor butchered her work).

    You appear to assume that the motivation is to spread truth.

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  32. syonredux says:

    Some of the critical pieces on the film are a tad….revealing….

    I did not expect to cry during “Wonder Woman.”

    Specifically, I did not expect to tear up during the fight scenes. OK, maybe if Gal Gadot’s Diana, Amazon princess, had given some terrific speech, or if a character I liked had died, but I certainly did not expect to get all misty eyed during the battle scenes.

    But that’s exactly what happened; when Wonder Woman started fighting, out came the waterworks.

    It started on the beach, when Gen. Antiope (Robin Wright) rode into battle with a smile and Queen Hippolyta (Connie Nielsen) leaped off her horse, spinning into the air to wipe out two armed men with her sword. As the battle raged on, it became clear that the scene was not window-dressing, 10 seconds of Amazon showtime before the real movie started. This was the movie — female warriors kicking ass.

    They were fierce and powerful, highly trained soldiers who knew what they were doing, and the film took that, and them, seriously. It was overwhelming.

    I felt like I was discovering something I didn’t even know I had always wanted. A need that I had boxed up and buried deep after three movies of Iron Man punching bad guys in the face, three more movies of Captain America punching bad guys in the face, a movie about Superman and Batman punching each other in the face and then “Suicide Squad.”

    Witnessing a woman hold the field, and the camera, for that long blew open an arguably monotonous genre. We didn’t need a computer-generated tree or a sassy raccoon to change the superhero game; what we needed was a woman.

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-wonder-woman-crying-20170605-htmlstory.html

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    And she looks like someone who would write crap like this!
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Oh dear, that's sad. Meredith Woerner yearns to beat up men and only a movie can give her that vicarious thrill. Women may wash out of Ranger school every time, a women's Olympic soccer team may be beaten by high school boys, and women MMA fighters may be beaten up by men (who believe they are women), but at least with the magic of special effects and often stuntMEN, women can kick ass in the movies.
    , @AnotherDad


    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-wonder-woman-crying-20170605-htmlstory.html
     
    Thanks Syonredux.

    This link is actually more interesting than the Jewish "we're not 'white' we're the oppressed" and Jewish women whining about "standards of beauty". Both well trod ground.

    The interesting thing to me was this woman saying she was "in tears" during some of the Wonder Woman fight scenes. It was cathartic for her--apparently she'd been waiting all her life to see woman warriors, competently slaying on the battlefield. And that her reaction was common--the director had heard it many times before and was unsurprised.

    This struck me as a bit weird because the "butt kicking babes" are seriously a trope. They seem to show up everywhere now days. And not just in zones of complete suspension of disbelief, but in places that are at least superficially are supposed to be normal TV/movie "reality". For me many times it's just so ridiculous it jerks me out of routine TV/movie suspension of disbelief
    and wrecks the show. (Wonder Woman is better because she is at least a super-hero with super-powers, not some actual normal human 120 lb. woman dispatching 200 lb. tough guys.)

    I think American (and European) life has become so feminized, and so devoid of not just violence, but actual hard heavy physical labor that a lot of women are just completely ignorant of brute physical reality. A lot of women seem truly ignorant of how utterly weak and fragile they are compared to even average men. I'm pretty much dead on average American guy--height, size (a bit more upper body per my size, a bit less leg)--and now even as a geezer I almost never see any woman I couldn't quickly subdue. (Ok, now I see some really fat ones that probably geezer me couldn't move after knocking them out.) Young guys who are actually tough and strong? There are no women who would even be in a "fight" with them, they'd just be on the floor unconscious. But apparently a lot of women don't realize the extreme extent of sexual dimorphism on strength. I guess their boyfriends/husbands have never handled them physically--even just to toss 'em over their shoulder and carry 'em off to bed?

    And what's weird to me is this intense desire to see this female warrior--a complete fantasy of a competent ass-kicking female warrior. I get the interest in what the other sex can do. When AnotherMom was pregnant--belly bulging out incredibly--I had
    a) a sense of pride in my manhood, that i'd knocked her up and my baby was growing inside her
    but even more profoundly
    b) a sense of wonder at life, at her feminine power, to receive my joy juice, combine with it, and bake it into a beautiful baby inside her.
    But what I didn't feel was jealously. That I was cheated as a guy because I couldn't grow a baby myself. Or later, that she had a more intense bond with the kids through pregnancy and nursing. I was grateful--to God, to life, to her--to be a dad, did my dad thing, appreciated it, loved it.

    These women of the West today are nuts. They downplay, dismiss and many forego the one thing they can do not just "much better" than men, but that men can't do at all. And pine for these bizarre fantasies where they are supreme at doing things that men are so thoroughly superior at that women aren't even in the same universe. It's insanity. And it's part of what's killing the West.
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  33. biz says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.

    Israel derangement is now turning people gay, apparently.

    Gal Gadot is freaking hot. Have you seen her body? And that’s after kids.

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    Anti-semitism may be able to turn people gay, but high fashion definitely tricks people into accepting gay aesthetics. Gadot is not as bad as some, but she's a definite model-type. Don't be tricked.
    , @guest
    Have *you* seen her body? Straight up and down, no T or A to speak of. Not as bad as it could be, because she has some curvature of the hips and her shoulders don't make her look like a linebacker.

    I don't feel good criticizing like this, but so long as people are holding her up as hot, something must be said. Beauty standards are sacred.

    By the way, I'd be happy if she were more masculine, given that she's playing an Amazon. She's too slight for the role. But I guess computers fix that.

    , @Joe Walker
    Why do you find it difficult to believe that many heterosexual men are not attracted to Gal Gadot?
    , @Autochthon
    As guest remarks, this Gadot creature is built like a twelve-year-old Chinese boy wearing a padded bra. Wonder Woman was meant to personify feminine perfection, including feminine beauty, not to be a mannish bundle of bones and sinew. The casting from the time before the world list its damned mind to feminism and related mental illnesses is instructive, as are of course the original drawings in the comic books.
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  34. Lot says:

    Kobach running for Kansas governor! YES!!!!

    http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article155063589.html

    Brownback has been so bad, he’s is going to have an easy comparison. Next stop, 1600 Penn Ave, January 2021.

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    That would be nice.
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  35. Arclight says:

    Seems to be a fair amount of commentary on the left where they are disappointed Wonder Woman is conventionally attractive and perhaps the actress selected should have been some kind of visibly ethnic/gay/transgender…SJWs are just such miserably people they can’t just sit back and enjoy a popcorn movie, they have to screech about how it doesn’t put outliers in leading roles just to show they are as good/strong/smart as everyone else.

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    Wonder Woman is conventionally attractive and perhaps the actress selected should have been some kind of visibly ethnic/gay/transgender…
     
    ...%95...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZNJgXcqSAg
    , @Escher
    Maybe one of the leading ladies from the new "Ghostbusters" can take the role.
    , @Autochthon
    I've noticed this particular tactic to move the goalposts by double-dipping: a passable (not especially unattractive, maybe even pleasant, but hardly gorgeous) woman such ad Gadot is targeted as being too perfect, glamourous, beautiful, and so on, and thus instead of the passable woman being realistic and average (as she is, whereas a truly stunning woman like Lynda Carter would have beauty and grace admittedly unattainable and not to be expected in the overwhelming majority of women...), now, in the perverted view espoused, a passable woman with an unremarkable figure becomes the Holy Grail of unattainable perfection, such that tubby or truly homely women are now meant to be what the average man should see as on his level.

    I see what they've done there. Clever bastards.

    Anecdotally, my wife is of course the most beautiful woman in the world to me (she is my wife!), but she is no Lynda Carter (I'm certainly no Ryan Gosling!). That said, because she is fit: she stands just under five feet tall and, not being obese, weighs just under ninety pounds. Yet all the wildebeests we casually encounter react as if she were an anorexic gymnast simply because she does not have a gut. This isn't a humblebragging "my wife is hot, bro" point – she is no Marilyn Monroe. Rather, I'm emphasizing that I know from personal experience, day in and day out, that the average (i.e., obese, nowadays) person now thinks a woman with a healthy, normal weight is some kind of freakishly petite creature to behold. It's astounding how quickly this deranged view has taken hold, if you only think about it and investigate the actual average heigjts and weights of people in, say, the 1950s (and probably even much later...).

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  36. @Lot
    I am pretty white looking, but happy to troll libtards by calling myself a "people of color."

    Wonder Woman: There is a person of color in the lead role
     
    Excellent!

    Now let us take a look at the history and heritage of Ashkenazi Jews. An indigenous people of the Middle East, Ashkenazi Jews were driven out of their homeland by European (and later Arab) colonists and taken as slaves to Europe where they were consistently regarded as savages,
     
    Boy the Times of Israel has some very low standards for its bloggers. There is absolutely no evidence that the proto-Ashkenazi migration to Italy and Gaul was as slaves. Perhaps the Romans did grab some slaves from the ranks of Jewish revolters, but more likely they just left because 100BC-300AD Israel was relatively poor and crowded compared to Europe and North Africa.

    And even those Jews who did convert were still viewed with suspicion, and treated as second class.
     
    Some were obviously faking their conversion, so the "suspicion" was for good reason. Nonetheless, the converted Jews heavily intermarried with the Spanish gentry and lower nobility, so they were hardly "second class" citizens.

    A few choice quotes from some of the more notable European philosophers (as well as some who are less notable) should prove instructive
     

    The only "notable" person on the list is Kant, who was not an ethnographer and never traveled more than a few miles from his birthplace. As Steve notes, both the laws of the USA and Europe, and the actual behavior of Europeans, showed Ashkenazi and Euro-Sephardic Jews were already considered white Europeans. Can we imagine the UK electing a black or Asian PM in 1868 and 1874? Or someone married to a black or asian in 1894?

    The UK elected one or two Parsis to Parliament in the 1890s.

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    The UK elected one or two Parsis to Parliament in the 1890s.
     
    Not quite the same thing as having one serve as PM.....
    , @Lot
    The first half-Jewish MP was this guy, elected in 1770

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampson_Eardley,_1st_Baron_Eardley

    Economist David Ricardo's son with his Quaker wife was another early half-Jew to serve in Parliament.


    In 1802 this guy became the first full-blooded Jew to serve in Parliament

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manasseh_Masseh_Lopes

    He had purchased land that included a rotten borough and thus two MPs, so he essentially elected himself, and later his nephew.


    The first practicing Jew was elected in 1847, from the first-among-equals City of London district:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_de_Rothschild
    , @PiltdownMan
    It's a little hard to tell from an old black and white picture, but perhaps, like Freddie Mercury decades later, Dadabhoy Nauroji, the Victorian era Parsi MP, passed for some type of swarthy Mediterranean white? Or perhaps it didn't matter much back then, because the poc presence in Britain was near zero, and he was just a novelty?

    http://www.andhrabulletin.com/Baby_beta/Kids_Douknow/Kids_Ch/Ch_images/India%20F%20F/Dadabhai%20naoroji.jpg

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  37. syonredux says:
    @Steve Sailer
    The UK elected one or two Parsis to Parliament in the 1890s.

    The UK elected one or two Parsis to Parliament in the 1890s.

    Not quite the same thing as having one serve as PM…..

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  38. Alfa158 says:

    When she asks “who was on screen”, she really means “who was on screen who was Jewish AND looked like me”. Feminists are perpetually butt-hurt about the failure of men to go gaga over them regardless of how they look. Instead, guys are supposed to get the hots for them because of their highly evolved consciousness.

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    Emily Shire's actually a bit better looking than I would have guessed. She's no Lauren Bacall or Hedy Lamarr, though.


    https://twitter.com/bustle/status/740340157665021952
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  39. Anonym says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    Facially she is pretty (there are prettier IMO – I would not put her in a top x list that anyone would have the patience to read) but her body is fairly straight up and down. It doesn’t do much for me.

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  40. syonredux says:
    @Lot
    I am pretty white looking, but happy to troll libtards by calling myself a "people of color."

    Wonder Woman: There is a person of color in the lead role
     
    Excellent!

    Now let us take a look at the history and heritage of Ashkenazi Jews. An indigenous people of the Middle East, Ashkenazi Jews were driven out of their homeland by European (and later Arab) colonists and taken as slaves to Europe where they were consistently regarded as savages,
     
    Boy the Times of Israel has some very low standards for its bloggers. There is absolutely no evidence that the proto-Ashkenazi migration to Italy and Gaul was as slaves. Perhaps the Romans did grab some slaves from the ranks of Jewish revolters, but more likely they just left because 100BC-300AD Israel was relatively poor and crowded compared to Europe and North Africa.

    And even those Jews who did convert were still viewed with suspicion, and treated as second class.
     
    Some were obviously faking their conversion, so the "suspicion" was for good reason. Nonetheless, the converted Jews heavily intermarried with the Spanish gentry and lower nobility, so they were hardly "second class" citizens.

    A few choice quotes from some of the more notable European philosophers (as well as some who are less notable) should prove instructive
     

    The only "notable" person on the list is Kant, who was not an ethnographer and never traveled more than a few miles from his birthplace. As Steve notes, both the laws of the USA and Europe, and the actual behavior of Europeans, showed Ashkenazi and Euro-Sephardic Jews were already considered white Europeans. Can we imagine the UK electing a black or Asian PM in 1868 and 1874? Or someone married to a black or asian in 1894?

    And note the special treatment that the native Jews received in French Algeria:

    The French government granted the Jews, who by then numbered some 33,000,[9] French citizenship in 1870 under the décret Crémieux, while maintaining an inferior status for Muslims who, though technically French nationals, were required to apply for French citizenship and undergo a naturalization process.[10] For this reason, they are sometimes incorrectly categorized as pieds-noirs. The decision to extend citizenship to Algerian Jews was a result of pressures from prominent members of the liberal, intellectual French Jewish community, which considered the North African Jews to be “backward” and wanted to bring them into modernity.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Algeria#French_Algeria

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  41. @guest
    She looks like a model, which is to say she's masculine* and not pretty (though I wouldn't say ugly), but she fits the currently accepted standards of beauty foisted upon us by high culture.

    *Square jaw, protruding forehead, bump in nose, high flat cheekbones, big mouth, noticeable lack of daintiness. And that's just the face.

    Bumps on noses are hardly foisted on us as a beauty ideal, since 99% of female entertainers and models (even ones that would surprise you) whittle down their nose bridges. Her features are definitely strong, but also refined, which is another classic feminine ideal alongside dainty prettiness.

    http://www.hypable.com/gal-gadot-signs-three-picture-deal-to-play-wonder-woman/

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    "Bumps on noses are hardly foisted on us as a beauty ideal"

    No, they don't get that specific. What's foisted on us is the general feel. The public isn't going to stop associating full, perky breasts with feminine beauty, for instance. But they will foist upon us flat-chested women as beautiful. Which isn't to say flat-chested women aren't beautiful, but the trend is toward separating sexual attraction (or heterosexual attraction) from beauty standards. Eventually, large breasts will be automatically associated with low class, I predict.

    The nose bump is not exactly the thing in high fashion, though lots of them have one. I've been trying to figure it out, and I think it's a result of their preference for noses that stand out combined with the extreme indentation they want where the nose and forehead come together. That is productive of very unfeminine curvature in models' noses.

    We are bullied into thinking fashion models are beautiful, and Gadot was a fashion model. It works that way. Whether she has this specific feature or that, and whether they want to push acceptance of this feature or that among the general public wasn't my point.

    Meanwhile, they costume her up, pose her, and use special effects to make her look more feminine and therefore more acceptable to the masses. Why they can't just cast a Lynda Carter is beyond me, except snarky critics would probably be calling her fat.

    "99% of female entertainers and models whittle down their nose bridges"

    I don't know if that's true of models, but even if it were, it's akin to boob jobs. Lots of models get those, because they want to be lingerie models or because they know people just plain like big breasts. But at the same time it's painfully obvious that feature is not promoted by the dominant culture. Not like it used to be, anyway.

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  42. J.Ross says: • Website

    Those of you who insist that mousegirl is downright pretty and not merely nonthreateningly na’im: do you think it would have killed her to eat a little chicken soup with rice, and maybe pick up a set of weights once or twice, before performing as an Amazon?

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  43. @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.

    Hmmm. She’s rather fine looking for an Amazon warrior. Don’t let the fact that she’s Israeli distort your perception of aesthetics. :)

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    Nationality is not an issue. Trust me. Verify it in the archives if you do not trust me (look for the term "Jewfu"). There are people in this world who spend an inordinate amount of time looking at pictures of Jewish and Israeli women and they still do not call Gadot beautiful. Rachel Weisz (nominally not Israeli yet but she serves here for calibration) is gorgeous, Nata-sama Herschlag is beautiful, Moran Atias is beautiful, Shlomit Reger is very pretty. Gadot is never at the top of that ordering, least of all given exclusively Israeli competition.
    (The favorite Jewfu of /pol/ for some time has been the b-list celebrity and ethnic, of all things, Uzbek, Milana Vayntrub. Take a look at her in any position or costume and then tell me about this Gadot person, and then blame it all on Uzbek nationalism.)
    , @Joe Walker
    Why do you find it so difficult to believe that many men do not find her attractive?
    , @BB753
    She's a bit lacking in the breasts department, which is a handicap when portraying Wonder Woman. And in other everyday situations.
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  44. syonredux says:
    @Alfa158
    When she asks "who was on screen", she really means "who was on screen who was Jewish AND looked like me". Feminists are perpetually butt-hurt about the failure of men to go gaga over them regardless of how they look. Instead, guys are supposed to get the hots for them because of their highly evolved consciousness.

    Emily Shire’s actually a bit better looking than I would have guessed. She’s no Lauren Bacall or Hedy Lamarr, though.

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    I think it's more just that the professional cosmetologists at Fox News are more skilled than whoever made her up (herself?) for the photograph at her blog.
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  45. syonredux says:
    @syonredux

    I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked
     
    The good critical notices are largely motivated by the desire to be PC. The Great and the Good want to say nice things about a female led-and-directed superhero film. I saw it yesterday ( Didn't pay; I theatre-hopped after watching Alien: Covenant ), and it's just OK. It's certainly nowhere near as enjoyable as The Dark Knight, Iron Man, or Captain America:The Winter Soldier.

    One thing that really stood out to me regarding Wonder Woman is just how derivative it is. It’s Captain America: The First Avenger mixed with the fish-out-of-water stuff from Thor. I suppose that they thought that setting the action in WWI (as opposed to WWII) would keep people from noticing….

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    This.

    None of these are good movies but Thor was more fun as it has a more charismatic lead who can approximate being an actor in a scene (Gadot couldn't even pull off the right mugging expressions) as well as a wonderfully hammy Asgardian pseudo-shakespeare cast&story. It is also half an hour shorter than Wonder Woman.


    Captain American: The First Avenger
    can get away with a lot because, again, Chris Evans has great screen presence and it was well paced and snappy. It also helps that WWII is so well-trodden and mythologized that you can almost ignore how superficial they treat the period or the narrative itself.

    In contrast, Wonder Woman is wounded by how cartoonishly it treats WWI and its story- especially as the plot revolves around the character struggling to sympathize with humans in a war-torn world. All I took away from it was Diana switched capriciously between pitying and being amused by humans and their miseries of war.

    There are a multitude of problems with this film-- including the poor directing -- and it is perplexing what so many people see in this movie.
    , @Oleaginous Outrager
    A comic book movie that's derivative? How can that be?

    Remember when Comic Book Man was a joke everyone sneered at? Now this childish folderol is being held up (by simpletons mostly, but still) as having deep sociological and historical import and defining the state of our world. Omega basement boys' power fantasies (and in the case of WW, her creator's BDSM fantasies) are being elevated to the level of great literature/art and trenchant political analysis.

    No wonder that test showed college kids can't think critically. Look what they have to work with!
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  46. It saddens me that comics book adaptations are the preeminent products of our civilization, rather than space travel.
    The Israeli girl is pretty nice looking tbh. Not a knockout but a healthy-looking broad. I think she did some kind of military service.
    Do the Israelis fetishize their military women? U.S. servicewomen look like dogs generally. Maybe it is because the Israelis have mandatory service, I believe, so even the good looking girls put on the uniform. Whereas over here the US servicewomen pool is rather….. Sapphic. Or do the Israeli men just go in for the whole lady-in-uniform BDSM vibe, a lá Ilsa SheWolf of the SS? How does this square with some people’s claims that the Jews aren’t attracted to their own women?

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    >do Israelis fetishize their military women

    Prior to this, Gadot was famously in a pin-up campaign organized by the Israeli government, that was exposed as favoring Israeli women who were already established as professional models and who had not served in the military. Following that and with the benefit of Instagram, there are regular astroturf propaganda campaigns with photos of actual serving IDF chicks, often in auhentic-looking uniforms or photographed "spontaneously." They consistently look much better than the professional models.
    There's a "Norwegian" guy that posted the same set every night at /pol/ for about three months.
    Israeli military amazons have been dramatically talked-up and exaggerated in more recent movies, notably a Predator sequel that featuring an "Israeli jungle warfare specialist" (let that sink in), and the foundational text here is an old eighties flick titled "This Is The Army, Girls," which has a wrestling-training scene and a CFMN scene.
    And of course Israelis deny this in the US press but they have always been intensely aware that their main enemy is literally "afraid of girls." There are stories about female IDF soldiers publicly humiliating old Arab men without provocation, basically for the amusement of their male comrades (or their own).
    , @J.Ross
    re Ilsa, sex advice columnist Dan Savage responded to a morality issue question about "plantation play," by quoting a famous Native American (possibly Sherman Alexie) on the popularity among red men of the idea of cowgirls tying up braves. Important note: this is fantasy, not law or public policy. It doesn't really mean anything. And it is very consistent across the board (view my statement upthread about /pol/ setting everything else aside to trade pictures of Jewfus like they were baseball cards).
    , @International Jew

    Do the Israelis fetishize their military women?
     
    In one limited, and amusing way, yes. The army has girls teach new recruits how to use weapons — rifles, tanks, etc. It's done on purpose as it's thought the boys pay closer attention that way (even in their usually sleep-deprived state).

    And that happened to be Gal Gadot's role during her military service (according to Wikipedia).
    , @Moshe
    When I lived in Israel it was as an American and I was not in the army. I could have been but I was terrified of losing some kind of celestial battle and ending up as a jobnik rather than working intelligence or infantry.

    Anyhow, I, and my foreign colleagues who actually were in uniform, found the Israeli soldier girls breathtaking. It almost looked like they were ALL literally stunning, which obviously could not have been the case.

    I never quite analyzed it but I guess it has to do with the fact that they're all physically fit and that being in the army doesn't detract from their femininity because ALL girls are in the army, so their self confidence doesn't effect their natural submissveness to men.

    Or something like that.

    As for American women in the army. Yes, most look like dogs but not all.

    I ----

    Oh no, I was about to mention a girl I knew going into the marines when I worked near 29 palms but I looked her name up and---- either it's not her (it's been a decade) of maybe women don't improve with age.

    Okay!

    Next topic.

    How does this square with some people’s claims that the Jews aren’t attracted to their own women?
     
    I can guess at one element in play and can speak more personally to another.

    My guess is that back in the immigrant days shiksas who could afford the lifestyle and makeup to look pretty looked better than Jewish washerwomen and also promised a better life, obviously enhancing their prettiness.

    The same is true in the chassidic world today although their fantasy is for a modern orthodox or non orthodox jewish woman, for the same reason.

    One I can speak to more personally is that, on average, Jewish women can be more of an emotional handful than non-jewish women. I don't know how much of this is cultural and how much is genetic, but American Jewish women, JAPs, can be difficult. At least for Jews.

    As for general attractiveness, I can only speak for myself. I find good-looking Jewish girls far far cuter than good-looking non Jewish girls.

    Obviously this only relates to the respective good looking ones in each category, but I have no interest in "hot" girls as conpared with "cute" ones.

    The former look like manly sluts to me and the latter like smiley cuddly feminine beauties.

    The whole blond and tall thing is probably for the sort of men who take pride in their penis size (a concept I first heard of about ten years ago and sincerely thought it was a female-created joke until really recently) and who enjoy waking up to creatures with a square jaw and cold eyes while the latter is for men who enjoy being funny and playing around and want to wake up to a light brown haired girl-looking-girl with curves and with less than 4 feet of washboard abs between their upper curves and lower ones.

    The ideal of course is a Non-Jap with these physical attributes.

    Thankfully in America they are fairly common, although the grotesque bleached blonde thing self-selects a number from circulation.
    , @englishmike

    How does this square with some people's claims that the Jews aren't attracted to their own women?
     
    Sigmund Freud once told me that is because men are secretly attracted to something in a woman that reminds them of their mother. But in Jewish men this creates a cognitive dissonance that explains their susceptibility to neurosis. He wanted to call this the Portnoy Complex, but was anxious about being too far ahead of his time. You don't believe me, do you?
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  47. George says:

    The debate “Are Jews white?”

    Shouldn’t the debate be are Jews Hellenic? Gadot appears to be Semitic, why is she playing a Hellene on screen?

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    Amazons come from Greek mythology, but that doesn't necessarily make them Greek. Herodotus made them out to be Turkish, as I recall, and others put them in North Africa.
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  48. guest says:
    @Johanus de Morgateroyde

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Says you. She doesn't look like Lynda Carter but what she does look like is extraordinarily healthy, especially considering that she's in her early 30s - more than a dozen years past when she was Miss Israel.

    As almost everything human males consider "attractive" is some kind of signal of fertility or fecundity, one suspects that she radiates "attractiveness" in the form of "health" and "symmetric features" to such a high degree that she reduces most men she meets to fidgeting and babbling in her presence.

    “what she does look like is extraordinarily healthy”

    Health is necessary but insufficient. Good-looking men are healthy, too, but they aren’t pretty. (Unless they’re pretty boys, but that just means they’re prettier than normal for a male.)

    “As almost everything human males consider ‘attractive’ is some kind of sign of fertility or fecundity, one suspects that she radiates ‘attractiveness’ in the form of ‘health’ and ‘symmetric features’”

    You pick unisex qualities, which could be present in both males and females. But humans, as you may have forgotten, are sexually dimorphic. Normal, heterosexual males aren’t attracted to Abstract Fertility. They’re attracted to secondary sexual characteristics developed by women during puberty. They like their women to be feminine.

    Masculine-looking women and prepubescent females are not attractive to the them no matter how clear is their skin, nor how trim they are. We weren’t talking about attraction, anyway, but about prettiness. It’s even less true that unfeminine women can be pretty. Because prettiness implies femininity.

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  49. J.Ross says: • Website
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    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Hmmm. She’s rather fine looking for an Amazon warrior. Don’t let the fact that she’s Israeli distort your perception of aesthetics. :)

    Nationality is not an issue. Trust me. Verify it in the archives if you do not trust me (look for the term “Jewfu”). There are people in this world who spend an inordinate amount of time looking at pictures of Jewish and Israeli women and they still do not call Gadot beautiful. Rachel Weisz (nominally not Israeli yet but she serves here for calibration) is gorgeous, Nata-sama Herschlag is beautiful, Moran Atias is beautiful, Shlomit Reger is very pretty. Gadot is never at the top of that ordering, least of all given exclusively Israeli competition.
    (The favorite Jewfu of /pol/ for some time has been the b-list celebrity and ethnic, of all things, Uzbek, Milana Vayntrub. Take a look at her in any position or costume and then tell me about this Gadot person, and then blame it all on Uzbek nationalism.)

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    Aye, too much white knighting goes on here

    Gal Gadot looks a bit like Ms. Portman; no doubt that was also a consideration. To extend the fantasy of some nerd's crush
    , @guest
    Weisz is pretty despite having some noticeably unfemimine features. (Her nose and brow, specifically.) She's interesting-looking, no offense, which I guess has allowed her to play character roles instead of just leading ladies or sex pots.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    There are people in this world who spend an inordinate amount of time looking at pictures of Jewish and Israeli women
     
    I shall defer to your expertise.

    To repeat, Gadot is fine looking for a comic book Amazon warrior. Commenters (not you) complaining that she’s not suitably feminine perhaps don’t understand she was cast as the lead in a conventional superhero action movie. Casting a petite bombshell like Hayden Panettiere (for example) wouldn’t make any sense.
    , @Autochthon
    It's Kat Dennings v. Milana "AT&T&A" Vayntru in a dead heat for the Most Beautiful Jewess in the World...or at least Hollywood (although Vayntrub's values are apparently hideous...but what do you expect from one of the Parasite People...).

    Speaking of goofy propaganda about Jews and beauty in stupid comic-book movies: The idea that Thor was utterly beguiled by Portman's Jane whilst Kat Dennings' character spends the whole movie running around bemoaning her inability to attract men defies all suspension of disbelief, even in a film about superheroes. Although both actresses are Jewesses, so in this case it was clearly a matter of Portman's greater star-power or whatever (not that Portman is unattractive; she's just no Kat Dennings...).

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  50. El Dato says:

    I don’t get any of this b*llsh*t.

    Wasn’t Wonder Woman originally meant to be from ancient Greece, possibly from Lesbos.

    That’s why she was called Diana as I remember.

    I still don’t know why she dresses herself in a flag of the US in a peculiar cheerleader fashion.

    And where do gender politics come in?

    I think she was just in a straight relationship with Superman, none of them was trans or anything. It’s Superman and Wonder Woman, not Supertrans and Wonder Gayman.

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  51. @syonredux

    Of course, they were silent about the Rock playing him.
     
    Hey, everybody knows that Polynesians were thick on the ground in Ancient Greece...

    Hercules’ great-grandmother Andromeda, and in some versions of his lore, at least one other great-grandparent were Ethiopian. So The Rock’s ethnically ambiguous looks fit what Hercules might have been imagined to look like, more than Kevin Sorbo, Kellan Lutz, or the blonde Disney version. Of course, the left would sieze on the casting of any distinctly European looks to make accusations of whitewashing, even unawares (and many are) of this tidbit about Hercules’ family tree.

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    Hercules’ great-grandmother Andromeda, and in some versions of his lore, at least one other great-grandparent were Ethiopian. So The Rock’s ethnically ambiguous looks fit what Hercules might have been imagined to look like, more than Kevin Sorbo, Kellan Lutz, or the blonde Disney version.
     
    Dunno about the Rock looking "ethnically ambiguous." To my eyes, he looks quite Polynesian...

    As for Hercules' great-grandmother being the Ethiopian princess Andromeda, that doesn't seem to have influenced how the Greeks and the Romans depicted him:



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heracles#/media/File:Hercules_Farnese_3637104088_9c95d7fe3c_b.jpg

    Looks quite European to me.....
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  52. syonredux says:

    Here’s an article on the “Jewish essence of Wonder Woman”:

    Gal Gadot and the Jewish essence of Wonder Woman

    “Wonder Woman was created in and for World War II,” Glen Weldon, author of “Superman: The Unauthorized Biography” said during a 2013 interview on National Public Radio. “That was her whole shtick, fighting the Nazis.”

    Indeed, Wonder Woman’s first adversaries in the comic books are the military of the Axis powers, whose defeat is her raison d’etre. Though the new Hollywood version inexplicably changes the war from World War II to World War I, fighting Hitler is in the character’s DNA — but so is tikkun olam (repairing the world).

    “She was created to be something of a contradiction,” Weldon said. “She is a warrior for peace. That’s tough.”

    Ha! Not if you’re Israeli.

    http://jewishjournal.com/hollywood/film/219779/gal-gadot-jewish-essence-wonder-woman/

    Now I know that a lot of Jews have a strong investment in the idea that comic book superheroes are a specifically Jewish thing. Michael Chabon, for example, devoted his considerable literary talents to the idea that the golem somehow gave rise to the genre*, but Wonder Woman is a bad place to go looking for the some kind of Jewish essence. Her creator, William Moulton Marston , was non-Jewish. He was also something of a weirdo:

    Similarly, the biggest secret in Wonder Woman’s history has been common knowledge for some time; Marston was a polyamorist, who had children both by his wife, Elizabeth Holloway, and by his live-in lover and former graduate student, Olive Byrne. Many of the details of this relationship, though, are new, and riveting.

    Lepore reports, for instance, that the Marstons had a polyamorous relationship with another woman, Marjorie W. Huntley, before they met Byrne, and that she remained an on-and-off member of the family long after Byrne arrived, helping out with the inking and lettering of the Wonder Woman comics in the 1940s, and occasionally staying with Holloway and Byrne after Marston’s death. Further, Huntley, Byrne, Holloway, and Marston all participated in what Lepore describes as a “sex cult” in 1925-26 at the home of Marston’s aunt Carolyn. Participants celebrated female sexual power, dominance, submission and love by forming “Love Units” consisting of multiple partners, including Love Girls who “do not … practice … concealment of the love organs” (translated from New Age, that means they didn’t wear clothes.)

    https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/10/wonder-womans-feminism/381579/

    *A truly ludicrous notion. the roots of the superhero lie in things like Philip Wylie’s Gladiator (the true source for Superman; forget all that crap about Moses), Sherlock Holmes, Tarzan, John Carter, and The Shadow, not in Shtetl folktales.

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    "the roots of the superhero lie in things like Philip Wylie's Gladiator (the true source for Superman; forget all that crap about Moses), Sherlock Holmes, Tarzan, John Carter, and The Shadow, not in Shtetl folktales."

    Not to mention Doc Savage, who had a hideaway in the far North called the Fortress of Solitude, well before Superman's.

    BTW, I tried to read a Doc Savage story, "The Polar Treasure." Really bad writing, and I can see why it has resisted efforts to revive the franchise. It violated principles of good story-telling by showing Savage the master of every situation, where he could pull arbitrary abilities out of thin air to solve every problem, including knowing how to speak obscure Eskimo dialects.

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  53. guest says:
    @biz

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Israel derangement is now turning people gay, apparently.

    Gal Gadot is freaking hot. Have you seen her body? And that's after kids.

    Anti-semitism may be able to turn people gay, but high fashion definitely tricks people into accepting gay aesthetics. Gadot is not as bad as some, but she’s a definite model-type. Don’t be tricked.

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  54. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Mikey Darmody
    It saddens me that comics book adaptations are the preeminent products of our civilization, rather than space travel.
    The Israeli girl is pretty nice looking tbh. Not a knockout but a healthy-looking broad. I think she did some kind of military service.
    Do the Israelis fetishize their military women? U.S. servicewomen look like dogs generally. Maybe it is because the Israelis have mandatory service, I believe, so even the good looking girls put on the uniform. Whereas over here the US servicewomen pool is rather..... Sapphic. Or do the Israeli men just go in for the whole lady-in-uniform BDSM vibe, a lá Ilsa SheWolf of the SS? How does this square with some people's claims that the Jews aren't attracted to their own women?

    >do Israelis fetishize their military women

    Prior to this, Gadot was famously in a pin-up campaign organized by the Israeli government, that was exposed as favoring Israeli women who were already established as professional models and who had not served in the military. Following that and with the benefit of Instagram, there are regular astroturf propaganda campaigns with photos of actual serving IDF chicks, often in auhentic-looking uniforms or photographed “spontaneously.” They consistently look much better than the professional models.
    There’s a “Norwegian” guy that posted the same set every night at /pol/ for about three months.
    Israeli military amazons have been dramatically talked-up and exaggerated in more recent movies, notably a Predator sequel that featuring an “Israeli jungle warfare specialist” (let that sink in), and the foundational text here is an old eighties flick titled “This Is The Army, Girls,” which has a wrestling-training scene and a CFMN scene.
    And of course Israelis deny this in the US press but they have always been intensely aware that their main enemy is literally “afraid of girls.” There are stories about female IDF soldiers publicly humiliating old Arab men without provocation, basically for the amusement of their male comrades (or their own).

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    I suppose it is a good recruitment tactic, probably better than the Western style of touting the economic benefits of military service. It would be best to recruit young men by appealing to love of country and desire for glory. However, America may be too debased to hold up as an object of devotion.
    This talk of lady soldiers hearkens back to the Nietzsche thread. He recognized how cruel women can be. Even crueler than men, at least in a moral sense. A great play that is proto-Nietzschean and aware of the feminine nature of cruelty and madness is the Bacchae by Euripides:
    “They did attack our herds: you could have seen a woman pull a calf to pieces as it bellowed alive in her bare hands!”
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  55. Lot says:
    @Steve Sailer
    The UK elected one or two Parsis to Parliament in the 1890s.

    The first half-Jewish MP was this guy, elected in 1770

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampson_Eardley,_1st_Baron_Eardley

    Economist David Ricardo’s son with his Quaker wife was another early half-Jew to serve in Parliament.

    In 1802 this guy became the first full-blooded Jew to serve in Parliament

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manasseh_Masseh_Lopes

    He had purchased land that included a rotten borough and thus two MPs, so he essentially elected himself, and later his nephew.

    The first practicing Jew was elected in 1847, from the first-among-equals City of London district:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_de_Rothschild

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    Francis Salvador was elected to public office in South Carolina in 1774:

    Francis Salvador (1747 – August 1, 1776) was a young English plantation owner in the colony of South Carolina from the Sephardic Jewish community of London; in 1774 he was the first Jew to be elected to public office in the colonies when chosen for the Provincial Congress. He had joined the independence cause and in 1776 was the first Jew killed in the American Revolutionary War, fighting with the militia on the South Carolina frontier against Loyalists and their Cherokee allies
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Salvador
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  56. syonredux says:
    @Lot
    The first half-Jewish MP was this guy, elected in 1770

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampson_Eardley,_1st_Baron_Eardley

    Economist David Ricardo's son with his Quaker wife was another early half-Jew to serve in Parliament.


    In 1802 this guy became the first full-blooded Jew to serve in Parliament

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manasseh_Masseh_Lopes

    He had purchased land that included a rotten borough and thus two MPs, so he essentially elected himself, and later his nephew.


    The first practicing Jew was elected in 1847, from the first-among-equals City of London district:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_de_Rothschild

    Francis Salvador was elected to public office in South Carolina in 1774:

    Francis Salvador (1747 – August 1, 1776) was a young English plantation owner in the colony of South Carolina from the Sephardic Jewish community of London; in 1774 he was the first Jew to be elected to public office in the colonies when chosen for the Provincial Congress. He had joined the independence cause and in 1776 was the first Jew killed in the American Revolutionary War, fighting with the militia on the South Carolina frontier against Loyalists and their Cherokee allies

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Salvador

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  57. syonredux says:
    @AnotherGuessModel
    Hercules' great-grandmother Andromeda, and in some versions of his lore, at least one other great-grandparent were Ethiopian. So The Rock's ethnically ambiguous looks fit what Hercules might have been imagined to look like, more than Kevin Sorbo, Kellan Lutz, or the blonde Disney version. Of course, the left would sieze on the casting of any distinctly European looks to make accusations of whitewashing, even unawares (and many are) of this tidbit about Hercules' family tree.

    Hercules’ great-grandmother Andromeda, and in some versions of his lore, at least one other great-grandparent were Ethiopian. So The Rock’s ethnically ambiguous looks fit what Hercules might have been imagined to look like, more than Kevin Sorbo, Kellan Lutz, or the blonde Disney version.

    Dunno about the Rock looking “ethnically ambiguous.” To my eyes, he looks quite Polynesian…

    As for Hercules’ great-grandmother being the Ethiopian princess Andromeda, that doesn’t seem to have influenced how the Greeks and the Romans depicted him:

    Looks quite European to me…..

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    Maybe the supposed ancestors could have been leuko-ethiopians, which was apparently a thing

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Aethiopians

    People generally forget that, before the outward expansion of the Europeans throughout the world, there was also a massive contraction, in a few phases. Think of the Arabs overrunning the Middle East and Christian North Africa and, later, the Turkic conquest of Anatolia.

    Or the displacement of many tribes, including the classical Bulgarians, from Central Asia, under pressure from Asiatic migratory peoples. Or their destruction.

    These are paradigm changes that ripple onwards in time. The final cleansing of the Christian (and the most European) elements of Turkey and the Middle East took place in the early 20th century and is now undergoing a mopping up operation. Consider Lebanon's demographic transformation based on the inflow of outsiders and, now, the fertility differentials.

    So, there were once White (ish?) Africans in Ethiopia and now the have been subsumed by another race or simply lost their former countenance because of selection. What will Turkey look like in a few hundred years? Or Eastern Europe, given the gypsy element? Or Western Europe.
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  58. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Mikey Darmody
    It saddens me that comics book adaptations are the preeminent products of our civilization, rather than space travel.
    The Israeli girl is pretty nice looking tbh. Not a knockout but a healthy-looking broad. I think she did some kind of military service.
    Do the Israelis fetishize their military women? U.S. servicewomen look like dogs generally. Maybe it is because the Israelis have mandatory service, I believe, so even the good looking girls put on the uniform. Whereas over here the US servicewomen pool is rather..... Sapphic. Or do the Israeli men just go in for the whole lady-in-uniform BDSM vibe, a lá Ilsa SheWolf of the SS? How does this square with some people's claims that the Jews aren't attracted to their own women?

    re Ilsa, sex advice columnist Dan Savage responded to a morality issue question about “plantation play,” by quoting a famous Native American (possibly Sherman Alexie) on the popularity among red men of the idea of cowgirls tying up braves. Important note: this is fantasy, not law or public policy. It doesn’t really mean anything. And it is very consistent across the board (view my statement upthread about /pol/ setting everything else aside to trade pictures of Jewfus like they were baseball cards).

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  59. guest says:
    @AnotherGuessModel
    Bumps on noses are hardly foisted on us as a beauty ideal, since 99% of female entertainers and models (even ones that would surprise you) whittle down their nose bridges. Her features are definitely strong, but also refined, which is another classic feminine ideal alongside dainty prettiness.

    http://www.hypable.com/gal-gadot-signs-three-picture-deal-to-play-wonder-woman/

    “Bumps on noses are hardly foisted on us as a beauty ideal”

    No, they don’t get that specific. What’s foisted on us is the general feel. The public isn’t going to stop associating full, perky breasts with feminine beauty, for instance. But they will foist upon us flat-chested women as beautiful. Which isn’t to say flat-chested women aren’t beautiful, but the trend is toward separating sexual attraction (or heterosexual attraction) from beauty standards. Eventually, large breasts will be automatically associated with low class, I predict.

    The nose bump is not exactly the thing in high fashion, though lots of them have one. I’ve been trying to figure it out, and I think it’s a result of their preference for noses that stand out combined with the extreme indentation they want where the nose and forehead come together. That is productive of very unfeminine curvature in models’ noses.

    We are bullied into thinking fashion models are beautiful, and Gadot was a fashion model. It works that way. Whether she has this specific feature or that, and whether they want to push acceptance of this feature or that among the general public wasn’t my point.

    Meanwhile, they costume her up, pose her, and use special effects to make her look more feminine and therefore more acceptable to the masses. Why they can’t just cast a Lynda Carter is beyond me, except snarky critics would probably be calling her fat.

    “99% of female entertainers and models whittle down their nose bridges”

    I don’t know if that’s true of models, but even if it were, it’s akin to boob jobs. Lots of models get those, because they want to be lingerie models or because they know people just plain like big breasts. But at the same time it’s painfully obvious that feature is not promoted by the dominant culture. Not like it used to be, anyway.

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  60. @J.Ross
    Nationality is not an issue. Trust me. Verify it in the archives if you do not trust me (look for the term "Jewfu"). There are people in this world who spend an inordinate amount of time looking at pictures of Jewish and Israeli women and they still do not call Gadot beautiful. Rachel Weisz (nominally not Israeli yet but she serves here for calibration) is gorgeous, Nata-sama Herschlag is beautiful, Moran Atias is beautiful, Shlomit Reger is very pretty. Gadot is never at the top of that ordering, least of all given exclusively Israeli competition.
    (The favorite Jewfu of /pol/ for some time has been the b-list celebrity and ethnic, of all things, Uzbek, Milana Vayntrub. Take a look at her in any position or costume and then tell me about this Gadot person, and then blame it all on Uzbek nationalism.)

    Aye, too much white knighting goes on here

    Gal Gadot looks a bit like Ms. Portman; no doubt that was also a consideration. To extend the fantasy of some nerd’s crush

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  61. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Charles Pewitt
    Lynda Carter Is Beautiful:

    https://twitter.com/RealLyndaCarter/status/834780320708837377

    She was spectacularly beautiful.

    But one of the conceits of her ’70s Wonder Woman was that she was supposed to be plain-looking as an Army secretary.

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    She was awesome, but the show was unbelievably bad. Amazon had a good deal on the DVDs about 12 years ago and I had the misfortune to watch the entire series again after so many years. It was a lot more fun when I was a kid. Ugh.
    , @TWS
    She wore glasses. Glasses.
    , @bored identity
    bored identity would say that Mrs. Carter definitely have had and still has a plenty of plain-looking.
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  62. guest says:
    @George
    The debate “Are Jews white?”

    Shouldn't the debate be are Jews Hellenic? Gadot appears to be Semitic, why is she playing a Hellene on screen?

    Amazons come from Greek mythology, but that doesn’t necessarily make them Greek. Herodotus made them out to be Turkish, as I recall, and others put them in North Africa.

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    William Blake Tyrrell has an excellent short book that lays out convincingly that the Athenian ruling class used them as a politically convenient and nakedly xenophobic metaphor for Persians. Apparently new discoveries emerged as soon as I lost interest in the topic, but when I followed it, there were two explanations:
    These are non-Greek ancient Eastern Europeans whose ruling class women sometimes took up arms (this is thoroughly evidenced but doesn't get you a viable matriarchal society).
    Or
    This is a very primitive society, where social gender roles are not well defined: not women dominating men but women dominating overgrown boys. This would explain why these societies do not survive beyond meeting societies of "real men." This is somewhat borne out by very primitive societies observable today (none of which look anything like Amazons).
    By the way, "Amazon" is the single worst term for warrior women. In Greek mythology they exist to be laughed at -- when Bellerophon defeats you, you're doing something wrong.
    , @Difference Maker

    Herodotus made them out to be Turkish
     
    In those days Scythian actually meant Scythian i.e. blond haired white skinned
    , @syonredux

    Herodotus made them out to be Turkish,
     
    He placed them in Anatolia. No Turks in Anatolia back then.

    as I recall, and others put them in North Africa.
     
    Libya. Other myths placed them in Ukraine, the Caucasus, Albania, etc.
    , @EH
    From archaeological evidence that 1/5th of those buried with weapons were women, the likely origin of the legend of the Amazons was the Scythian or Sarmatian peoples who were originally of the northern coast of the Black Sea and the steppes and river valleys north of that latitude, descended from the Kurgan (Yamna and Maykop peoples), proto- Indo-Europeans of the same area, particularly the Northern Caucasus, the most likely inventors of the wheel and domesticators of the horse, whose descendants later conquered everything from Mongolia to France (indeed, the Sicambrian Franks who founded France were Scythians by their own account, which is backed by the similarity of the gold work, for instance in the Merovingian and Bactrian hoards.)

    The purest descendants of the Scythians today are the Ossetians of the northern Caucasus (e.g. Beslan, where their children were massacred at school by Chechen terrorists). Nearly a third of Ossetians still follow their ancient pagan religion, Uatsdin. Their closest cousins are the Alans (Alani in the Roman chronicles, a form of the word "Aryan", also the origin of the name "Alan"), who settled mostly in Armorica (Brittany, France) and the Jasz, who have lived in Hungary since they arrived with the Mongol invasion.
    , @SteveRogers42
    Did someone say "Paradise Island"?

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/inside-skirt-club-hollywood-new-yorks-high-glamour-sex-party-women-1010607
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  63. Kirt says:

    It takes a major effort to make me NOT want to see a Gal Gadot movie, not even on Netflix, but the liberal feminoids with their relentless anti-male hype and women only exclusive theater showings have accomplished exactly that. Clearly I am not only not the target audience for this movie but its producers specifically don’t want me as part of the audience. So I’ll pass. Sorry, Gal.

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    For the past month at /tv/ (Television And Film), the 4chan board I fled to after /pol/ was completely taken over by David Brock's paid spam disruption campaign (imagine every single iSteve commenter replying to every issue by merely calling Steve dumb), there have been twelve or more simultaneous "Wonder Woman" threads at any time. Twelve threads varying a rotating handful of familiar pictures and phrases. For reasons of space and fairness, there's only supposed to be one thread per topic. I hear it was worse for "Get Out."
    There is also a solicitation-thread for Rachel Weisz which always re-uses the same photo: it only appears one at a time, but it is reposted three or four times a day. Contributing new content and giving others space to do so is both rule and culture, for 4chan and the internet. If our militancy fails, the internet is going to be nothing but a lot of artificially intelligent TV commercials screaming at each other.
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  64. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @guest
    Is it possible they're not aware one of the biggest female stars in Hollywood, Natalie Portman, is not only Jewish but was born in Jerusalem? She gets to star in plenty of action movies, too, though she's not usually drop kicking 300-lb. men herself.

    They don't try very hard writing these articles. They take some little nugget, like Wonder Woman being Israeli and non-hideous, and immediately go off on a flight of fancy, never pausing to check actual movie history or logic.

    If you think the “where are the Jews onscreen?” take is dumb, consider that this Wonder Woman movie already spawned a debate about whether Wonder Woman should shave her underarms.

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    How much of this is merely retroactively justifying their own laziness/lack of beauty?

    "Don't shave your armpits", "Don't shame fat girls", " Etc.
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  65. guest says:
    @biz

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Israel derangement is now turning people gay, apparently.

    Gal Gadot is freaking hot. Have you seen her body? And that's after kids.

    Have *you* seen her body? Straight up and down, no T or A to speak of. Not as bad as it could be, because she has some curvature of the hips and her shoulders don’t make her look like a linebacker.

    I don’t feel good criticizing like this, but so long as people are holding her up as hot, something must be said. Beauty standards are sacred.

    By the way, I’d be happy if she were more masculine, given that she’s playing an Amazon. She’s too slight for the role. But I guess computers fix that.

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    But I guess computers fix that.

    Please explain.
    , @Anon7
    You have no idea. Gadot was very pregnant during much of filming. She would carry it well (she's 5'10"), but she wore a triangle of green cloth over the bump; her figure was filled in (or subtracted) in post-production.
    , @Rod1963
    I agree no T or A.

    Nor really hot unless you're into skinny, frail fashion models.
    ook
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  66. fish says:
    @Johanus de Morgateroyde

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Says you. She doesn't look like Lynda Carter but what she does look like is extraordinarily healthy, especially considering that she's in her early 30s - more than a dozen years past when she was Miss Israel.

    As almost everything human males consider "attractive" is some kind of signal of fertility or fecundity, one suspects that she radiates "attractiveness" in the form of "health" and "symmetric features" to such a high degree that she reduces most men she meets to fidgeting and babbling in her presence.

    She reminds me a bit of Michelle Jenneke but prettier. Jenneke is cute too but maybe a bit too boyish for most tastes!

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    Jenneke is cute too but maybe a bit too boyish for most tastes!
     
    %99!!!!!!
    , @Desiderius
    My thought as well.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bx0bi1CjGBY
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  67. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @syonredux

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    No, she's pretty; she's just not as beautiful as Lynda Carter was in her prime.

    Who is? Circa 1975 Lynda Carter is about as a hot as it gets.

    But Lynda Carter’s Wonder Woman was much more feminine than feminist. She looked like she never touched a dumbbell. And how many times did some bad guy get the drop on her with chloroform?

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    Both the comic book and Lynda Carter TV show balanced out the feminist nature of the character by including some damsel-in-distress / BDSM-type scenarios. In fact, WW's creator, William Moulton Marsten, was a noted BDSM enthusiast. In her original incarnation, Wonder Woman could be rendered powerless by having her hands bound by a man (!). Needless to say, I'm sure all these aspects have been dropped for this latest film, probably replaced by mindless feminist you-go-grrrl!-ism.
    , @SteveRogers42
    I think that if someone is playing the role of an action hero, to say nothing of an out-and-out superhuman, they should look like they could do something more athletic than tearing open a bag of Cheetos. Back in the day, Olympic swimmer Amanda Beard would have been physically convincing in the part. She had big blue eyes that put her waaayyy up on the Hot/Crazy matrix, and the physique of, well, an Olympic swimmer.

    http://cityandshorebucket.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/amandasept2015a.jpg
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  68. guest says:
    @J.Ross
    Nationality is not an issue. Trust me. Verify it in the archives if you do not trust me (look for the term "Jewfu"). There are people in this world who spend an inordinate amount of time looking at pictures of Jewish and Israeli women and they still do not call Gadot beautiful. Rachel Weisz (nominally not Israeli yet but she serves here for calibration) is gorgeous, Nata-sama Herschlag is beautiful, Moran Atias is beautiful, Shlomit Reger is very pretty. Gadot is never at the top of that ordering, least of all given exclusively Israeli competition.
    (The favorite Jewfu of /pol/ for some time has been the b-list celebrity and ethnic, of all things, Uzbek, Milana Vayntrub. Take a look at her in any position or costume and then tell me about this Gadot person, and then blame it all on Uzbek nationalism.)

    Weisz is pretty despite having some noticeably unfemimine features. (Her nose and brow, specifically.) She’s interesting-looking, no offense, which I guess has allowed her to play character roles instead of just leading ladies or sex pots.

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    I will overlook your tragic myopia to bring up Cote de Pablo, who I somehow forgot to mention in the upthread discussion of the fetishizing of Israeli military women (she's South American but played the inevitable Israeli madchen-fur-alles on NCIS). She is a good example of the most common Jewish semi-masculinized trait: Tyrannosaur jaw.
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  69. Veritatis says:

    “I dunno … Hedy Lamarr, Lauren Bacall?”

    Elizabeth Taylor? Winona Rider, Natalie Portman? Or Jennifer Aniston, Jessica Parker, Mila Kunis and many others I have no idea of? A lot of TV series would be my guess, plus the characters’ names: Hannah, Zach, Zeke, Josh…

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    Jennifer Aniston isn't Jewish, though she played a Jewish character on Friends.
    , @Stan Adams
    Elizabeth Taylor was a convert:
    http://forward.com/culture/136447/a-jew-by-choice-elizabeth-taylor-1932-2011/
    , @guest
    Elizabeth Taylor was a convert, for what it's worth. Plus, all those names you mention are probably better looking than the author, so they don't count.
    , @Anonymous
    A heaping helping of Jewesses are actresses, some of them quite pretty even to my jaundiced eye.

    Liz and MM converted, although the latter's conversion was a sort of hoax foisted on her by Arthur Miller who found "a very humanistic rabbi" to instruct her. Somewhere between Lucy's being taught goofy golf and Sinatra's bogus investiture in the Knights of Malta.

    Nothing in Jennifer Aniston's Wikipedia page indicates any connection to Judaism or Jewish descent:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Aniston

    I would be very surprised if Emirates Airlines would hire a Jewish spokeswoman, besides.
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  70. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Kirt
    It takes a major effort to make me NOT want to see a Gal Gadot movie, not even on Netflix, but the liberal feminoids with their relentless anti-male hype and women only exclusive theater showings have accomplished exactly that. Clearly I am not only not the target audience for this movie but its producers specifically don't want me as part of the audience. So I'll pass. Sorry, Gal.

    For the past month at /tv/ (Television And Film), the 4chan board I fled to after /pol/ was completely taken over by David Brock’s paid spam disruption campaign (imagine every single iSteve commenter replying to every issue by merely calling Steve dumb), there have been twelve or more simultaneous “Wonder Woman” threads at any time. Twelve threads varying a rotating handful of familiar pictures and phrases. For reasons of space and fairness, there’s only supposed to be one thread per topic. I hear it was worse for “Get Out.”
    There is also a solicitation-thread for Rachel Weisz which always re-uses the same photo: it only appears one at a time, but it is reposted three or four times a day. Contributing new content and giving others space to do so is both rule and culture, for 4chan and the internet. If our militancy fails, the internet is going to be nothing but a lot of artificially intelligent TV commercials screaming at each other.

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  71. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @syonredux

    I really don’t know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white, if they don’t see themselves as white, then how can one not accept this ?
     
    I gotta tell this to some of my Irish colleagues. Listen, guys, all you have to do is say that the Irish aren't White...then watch the affirmative action gibs roll in.....

    Most Irish people like whites and like being white. Unlike the Jews, the Irish are not continuously scheming to bring about the downfall of white nations.

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    Most Irish people like whites and like being white.
     
    You need to hang out with Leftist Irish academics......
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  72. Brutusale says:
    @Jim Don Bob
    https://emilyshire.com/. A solid 5, maybe 6 if I were drinking, but the crazy bs coming out of her mouth would probably put me off.

    My daddy always said, "Never sleep with anyone crazier than you are". I would still be a virgin had I followed Dad's advice.

    Google Images has a panoply of shots where Ms. Shire ranges from “It’s late and I’m drunk” to “Not enough scotch has been distilled”.

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    I know not of this lass but when I saw the photo my first thought was "perhaps after a six pack if there were no other prospects.". Your Google suggestion was spot on. It is a modern version of what we referred to in my 1992 fraternity as the "Bjork Dilemma."
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  73. J.Ross says: • Website
    @guest
    Amazons come from Greek mythology, but that doesn't necessarily make them Greek. Herodotus made them out to be Turkish, as I recall, and others put them in North Africa.

    William Blake Tyrrell has an excellent short book that lays out convincingly that the Athenian ruling class used them as a politically convenient and nakedly xenophobic metaphor for Persians. Apparently new discoveries emerged as soon as I lost interest in the topic, but when I followed it, there were two explanations:
    These are non-Greek ancient Eastern Europeans whose ruling class women sometimes took up arms (this is thoroughly evidenced but doesn’t get you a viable matriarchal society).
    Or
    This is a very primitive society, where social gender roles are not well defined: not women dominating men but women dominating overgrown boys. This would explain why these societies do not survive beyond meeting societies of “real men.” This is somewhat borne out by very primitive societies observable today (none of which look anything like Amazons).
    By the way, “Amazon” is the single worst term for warrior women. In Greek mythology they exist to be laughed at — when Bellerophon defeats you, you’re doing something wrong.

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    Yes, although there are a number of theories about the real-life inspiration for the Amazons, the mythology is quite explicit in portraying them as barbaric foils to heroic male warriors and Greek cultural values. Cue scolding revisionism from classicists like Donna Zuckerberg. I can see the title now. Woke Amazons Slayed Racist, Misogynist Ancient Greeks
    , @Chrisnonymous
    I think it's pretty clear that the Amazon myth was inspired by a community of former Olympic decathlon champions.
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  74. @guest
    Amazons come from Greek mythology, but that doesn't necessarily make them Greek. Herodotus made them out to be Turkish, as I recall, and others put them in North Africa.

    Herodotus made them out to be Turkish

    In those days Scythian actually meant Scythian i.e. blond haired white skinned

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  75. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @biz

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Israel derangement is now turning people gay, apparently.

    Gal Gadot is freaking hot. Have you seen her body? And that's after kids.

    Why do you find it difficult to believe that many heterosexual men are not attracted to Gal Gadot?

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  76. JohnyD says:

    I think we can all agree that Gal Gadot is a much better looking woman than Caitlyn Jenner…

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    That comment would have gotten you pilloried in the first few heady months after Bruce/Kaitlin's world-shaking announcement (a couple years ago already).

    But now that his TV show has bombed and even the freakish Kardashian clan is washing its hands of him, I guess you can get away with kicking him like that.
    , @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    Yeah...but Caitlyn would kick her ass.
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  77. Truth says:
    @guest
    She looks like a model, which is to say she's masculine* and not pretty (though I wouldn't say ugly), but she fits the currently accepted standards of beauty foisted upon us by high culture.

    *Square jaw, protruding forehead, bump in nose, high flat cheekbones, big mouth, noticeable lack of daintiness. And that's just the face.

    *Square jaw, protruding forehead, bump in nose, high flat cheekbones, big mouth, noticeable lack of daintiness. And that’s just the face.

    OK, you got %90 of the puzzle, now bring it home, Baby!

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  78. @syonredux
    Here's an article on the "Jewish essence of Wonder Woman":


    Gal Gadot and the Jewish essence of Wonder Woman

    “Wonder Woman was created in and for World War II,” Glen Weldon, author of “Superman: The Unauthorized Biography” said during a 2013 interview on National Public Radio. “That was her whole shtick, fighting the Nazis.”

    Indeed, Wonder Woman’s first adversaries in the comic books are the military of the Axis powers, whose defeat is her raison d’etre. Though the new Hollywood version inexplicably changes the war from World War II to World War I, fighting Hitler is in the character’s DNA — but so is tikkun olam (repairing the world).

    “She was created to be something of a contradiction,” Weldon said. “She is a warrior for peace. That’s tough.”

    Ha! Not if you’re Israeli.
     
    http://jewishjournal.com/hollywood/film/219779/gal-gadot-jewish-essence-wonder-woman/


    Now I know that a lot of Jews have a strong investment in the idea that comic book superheroes are a specifically Jewish thing. Michael Chabon, for example, devoted his considerable literary talents to the idea that the golem somehow gave rise to the genre*, but Wonder Woman is a bad place to go looking for the some kind of Jewish essence. Her creator, William Moulton Marston , was non-Jewish. He was also something of a weirdo:

    Similarly, the biggest secret in Wonder Woman's history has been common knowledge for some time; Marston was a polyamorist, who had children both by his wife, Elizabeth Holloway, and by his live-in lover and former graduate student, Olive Byrne. Many of the details of this relationship, though, are new, and riveting.

    Lepore reports, for instance, that the Marstons had a polyamorous relationship with another woman, Marjorie W. Huntley, before they met Byrne, and that she remained an on-and-off member of the family long after Byrne arrived, helping out with the inking and lettering of the Wonder Woman comics in the 1940s, and occasionally staying with Holloway and Byrne after Marston's death. Further, Huntley, Byrne, Holloway, and Marston all participated in what Lepore describes as a "sex cult" in 1925-26 at the home of Marston's aunt Carolyn. Participants celebrated female sexual power, dominance, submission and love by forming “Love Units” consisting of multiple partners, including Love Girls who "do not … practice … concealment of the love organs" (translated from New Age, that means they didn't wear clothes.)

     

    https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/10/wonder-womans-feminism/381579/

    *A truly ludicrous notion. the roots of the superhero lie in things like Philip Wylie's Gladiator (the true source for Superman; forget all that crap about Moses), Sherlock Holmes, Tarzan, John Carter, and The Shadow, not in Shtetl folktales.

    “the roots of the superhero lie in things like Philip Wylie’s Gladiator (the true source for Superman; forget all that crap about Moses), Sherlock Holmes, Tarzan, John Carter, and The Shadow, not in Shtetl folktales.”

    Not to mention Doc Savage, who had a hideaway in the far North called the Fortress of Solitude, well before Superman’s.

    BTW, I tried to read a Doc Savage story, “The Polar Treasure.” Really bad writing, and I can see why it has resisted efforts to revive the franchise. It violated principles of good story-telling by showing Savage the master of every situation, where he could pull arbitrary abilities out of thin air to solve every problem, including knowing how to speak obscure Eskimo dialects.

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    BTW, I tried to read a Doc Savage story, “The Polar Treasure.” Really bad writing, and I can see why it has resisted efforts to revive the franchise. It violated principles of good story-telling by showing Savage the master of every situation, where he could pull arbitrary abilities out of thin air to solve every problem, including knowing how to speak obscure Eskimo dialects.
     
    When I was 10, I went through a pulp hero phase, my interest having been jump-started by reading Philip Jose Farmer's glorious spoof biographies, Tarzan Alive and Doc Savage: His Apocalyptic Life. Despite enjoying Farmer's mock bio, I simply could not get into Doc. Even for a 10-year old boy, the writing was simply atrocious. The Shadow was by far my favorite pulp hero. I read all 23 of the Pyramid reprints of the Shadow novels. They also had great cover art by Jim Steranko.
    , @SteveRogers42
    I was just thinking that this guy would make a good IRL Doc Savage, except he's probably a little short for the role:

    https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/kim-j.pdf

    SEAL (Silver Star), M.D., Astronaut. Probably speaks a couple languages, too.

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  79. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Hmmm. She’s rather fine looking for an Amazon warrior. Don’t let the fact that she’s Israeli distort your perception of aesthetics. :)

    Why do you find it so difficult to believe that many men do not find her attractive?

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  80. Marty says:
    @Johanus de Morgateroyde

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Says you. She doesn't look like Lynda Carter but what she does look like is extraordinarily healthy, especially considering that she's in her early 30s - more than a dozen years past when she was Miss Israel.

    As almost everything human males consider "attractive" is some kind of signal of fertility or fecundity, one suspects that she radiates "attractiveness" in the form of "health" and "symmetric features" to such a high degree that she reduces most men she meets to fidgeting and babbling in her presence.

    Gadot was born in 1985, the same year in which the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history took her star turn: Rosanna Arquette in Eight Million Ways to Die.

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    > ... the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history ...

    That would be Jennifer Connelly, if half-Jewish counts.
    , @syonredux

    Gadot was born in 1985, the same year in which the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history took her star turn: Rosanna Arquette in Eight Million Ways to Die.

     

    Half-Jewish:

    Place of Birth: New York City, New York, United States

    Date of Birth: August 10, 1959

    Ethnicity:
    *English, French-Canadian, Swiss-German, German, Scottish, Irish, Welsh (father)
    *Ashkenazi Jewish (mother)
     
    Here's Rosanna's sister's ancestry results:

    *48.5% Ashkenazi
    *36.6% British & Irish
    *0.2% French & German
    *0.1% Finnish
    *11.3% Broadly Northern European
    *1.0% Broadly Southern European
    *2.1% Broadly European

     

    http://ethnicelebs.com/rosanna-arquette
    , @Njguy73

    the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history took her star turn: Rosanna Arquette
     
    Rosanna isn't even the sexiest Arquette sister.
    , @SteveRogers42
    I thought Lauren Bacall was Jewish...
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  81. Truth says:
    @Arclight
    Seems to be a fair amount of commentary on the left where they are disappointed Wonder Woman is conventionally attractive and perhaps the actress selected should have been some kind of visibly ethnic/gay/transgender...SJWs are just such miserably people they can't just sit back and enjoy a popcorn movie, they have to screech about how it doesn't put outliers in leading roles just to show they are as good/strong/smart as everyone else.

    Wonder Woman is conventionally attractive and perhaps the actress selected should have been some kind of visibly ethnic/gay/transgender…

    …%95…

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    I would be surprised if she were a transsexual. What that guy's noticing is not the Illuminati's secret army of celebrity he-she's. It's higher culture preference for masculine-looking women.
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  82. Truth says:
    @fish
    She reminds me a bit of Michelle Jenneke but prettier. Jenneke is cute too but maybe a bit too boyish for most tastes!

    Jenneke is cute too but maybe a bit too boyish for most tastes!

    %99!!!!!!

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  83. Since we’re talking about half-Jews and Lynda Carter:

    https://www.google.com/#q=lynda+carter+daughter

    Read it and weep.

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    I don't think anyone did not already ling since know Carter's daughter was sired by Altman. I'm not sure why the fact should inspire weeping in any event. If every breeding of a gentile woman to a Jew were cause for unhinged wailing and gnashing of teeth, we'd all long since have lost our voices and be gumming mashed potatoes for every meal. Just like the Negroes, mestizos, and all the other hostile and parasitic peoples, taking the women of the targeted population is what Jews do. It's what all such hostile peoples have done since time immemorial. The only difference is the targeted men used to react by fighting rather than cheering.

    Welcome to iSteve, if this basic truism of sociobiology excites you, you're in for Mr. Toad's Wild Ride if you stick around.
    , @IHTG
    Lynda Carter's husband is the CEO of videogame publisher Zenimax (the shell company that owns Bethesda Softworks) and a total sleazeball. But I repeat myself.

    Fun fact: President Trump's younger brother Robert is on his board of directors.

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  84. Escher says:
    @Arclight
    Seems to be a fair amount of commentary on the left where they are disappointed Wonder Woman is conventionally attractive and perhaps the actress selected should have been some kind of visibly ethnic/gay/transgender...SJWs are just such miserably people they can't just sit back and enjoy a popcorn movie, they have to screech about how it doesn't put outliers in leading roles just to show they are as good/strong/smart as everyone else.

    Maybe one of the leading ladies from the new “Ghostbusters” can take the role.

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    Unfortunately, I've already spent my one alloted LOL on this thread. So, LOL for your comment too.
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  85. @Johanus de Morgateroyde

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Says you. She doesn't look like Lynda Carter but what she does look like is extraordinarily healthy, especially considering that she's in her early 30s - more than a dozen years past when she was Miss Israel.

    As almost everything human males consider "attractive" is some kind of signal of fertility or fecundity, one suspects that she radiates "attractiveness" in the form of "health" and "symmetric features" to such a high degree that she reduces most men she meets to fidgeting and babbling in her presence.

    She’s a beautiful woman.

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  86. CAL says:

    Best description I heard for the film is that it is a mediocre Marvel film. That in itself means (excluding the recent Batman films) it’s a step up for DC.

    Oh no, Wonder Woman is played by a white woman just like she has always been played by a white woman. The fanboys are fine with that because it fits the role. Meanwhile the SJW grrrlll power reaction is plain stupid. Madness has gripped a certain portion of the world.

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  87. J.Ross says: • Website
    @guest
    Weisz is pretty despite having some noticeably unfemimine features. (Her nose and brow, specifically.) She's interesting-looking, no offense, which I guess has allowed her to play character roles instead of just leading ladies or sex pots.

    I will overlook your tragic myopia to bring up Cote de Pablo, who I somehow forgot to mention in the upthread discussion of the fetishizing of Israeli military women (she’s South American but played the inevitable Israeli madchen-fur-alles on NCIS). She is a good example of the most common Jewish semi-masculinized trait: Tyrannosaur jaw.

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  88. Flip says:

    Douglas Fairbanks and Fred Astaire were both part Jewish.

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  89. Altai says:

    My biggest problem with this film is one of tension. Can Wonder Woman take a bullet or not? In BVSM she got knocked around in a way that would make it seem like she is effectively bullet-proof, but in this film she has to block every shot. Weirdly the German soldiers play along and never try to shoot her anywhere but her gauntlets or shield, or when she pauses in the open for dramatic effect. Granted this is a problem for all these movies, but with only one character to focus on, you’d think they’d get it straight what her limits are.

    Others have pointed out that she does well enough in the comedic scenes and action scenes but doesn’t quite have the screen presence to draw you in and make you care about the character. She seems more like a plot device. I think a lot of people wanted Jamie Alexander to be Wonder Woman when this was announced and I think that would have been a good choice, she looks more like the character and is a better actress and is highly charismatic.

    The overall quality and innovativeness of the film (The god of war is inducing the Great War, we have to stop him sabotaging the peace negotiations, but we still get to kill a bunch of German conscripts as if they were Nazis anyway.) kept it going along.

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    Jaime Alexander: 5/10. Would not bang.
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  90. Jake says:

    Perhaps my two favorite American Jews of all time: Judah P. Benjamin and David Levy Yulee. If America had a couple dozen like them today, we’d be much better off.

    France, Britain and Germany also are in dire need of a couple dozen Jews like them.

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    77 Jake > my two favorite American Jews of all time

    can I get you to make it three? Commodore Levy was the guy who abolished corporal punishment in the US Navy

    There's a US Navy synagogue named for him onboard Norfolk Navy Base. It's upstairs from the Christian chapel. Free wine and egg-bread every Friday night if you don't mind looking at some non-Flag-Officer-staff quality of Navy girls.

    When I was there a very long time ago, the Muslims did not have their own room. Bet that has changed.
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  91. @syonredux

    I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked
     
    The good critical notices are largely motivated by the desire to be PC. The Great and the Good want to say nice things about a female led-and-directed superhero film. I saw it yesterday ( Didn't pay; I theatre-hopped after watching Alien: Covenant ), and it's just OK. It's certainly nowhere near as enjoyable as The Dark Knight, Iron Man, or Captain America:The Winter Soldier.

    Winter Soldier was narcoleptically boring, so that’s not a good endorsement.

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    Winter Soldier was narcoleptically boring, so that’s not a good endorsement.
     
    I rather enjoyed it.Good action scenes, plus a critique of Obama's assassination-by-drone foreign policy. I also liked Robert Redford essentially playing a variation on Cliff Robertson's part in Three Days of the Condor.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    It bored me too.

    Superhero movies are boring in general though, because they can't die, and many times, neither can their enemies.
    , @SteveRogers42
    It had its moments.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqIBGEcKhGs
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  92. @J.Ross
    William Blake Tyrrell has an excellent short book that lays out convincingly that the Athenian ruling class used them as a politically convenient and nakedly xenophobic metaphor for Persians. Apparently new discoveries emerged as soon as I lost interest in the topic, but when I followed it, there were two explanations:
    These are non-Greek ancient Eastern Europeans whose ruling class women sometimes took up arms (this is thoroughly evidenced but doesn't get you a viable matriarchal society).
    Or
    This is a very primitive society, where social gender roles are not well defined: not women dominating men but women dominating overgrown boys. This would explain why these societies do not survive beyond meeting societies of "real men." This is somewhat borne out by very primitive societies observable today (none of which look anything like Amazons).
    By the way, "Amazon" is the single worst term for warrior women. In Greek mythology they exist to be laughed at -- when Bellerophon defeats you, you're doing something wrong.

    Yes, although there are a number of theories about the real-life inspiration for the Amazons, the mythology is quite explicit in portraying them as barbaric foils to heroic male warriors and Greek cultural values. Cue scolding revisionism from classicists like Donna Zuckerberg. I can see the title now. Woke Amazons Slayed Racist, Misogynist Ancient Greeks

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  93. @Lot
    Kobach running for Kansas governor! YES!!!!

    http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article155063589.html

    Brownback has been so bad, he's is going to have an easy comparison. Next stop, 1600 Penn Ave, January 2021.

    That would be nice.

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  94. @Steve Sailer
    The UK elected one or two Parsis to Parliament in the 1890s.

    It’s a little hard to tell from an old black and white picture, but perhaps, like Freddie Mercury decades later, Dadabhoy Nauroji, the Victorian era Parsi MP, passed for some type of swarthy Mediterranean white? Or perhaps it didn’t matter much back then, because the poc presence in Britain was near zero, and he was just a novelty?

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  95. @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    > Gal Gadot is not pretty.

    Congratulations, you have passed the homosexuality test.

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  96. @J.Ross
    Nationality is not an issue. Trust me. Verify it in the archives if you do not trust me (look for the term "Jewfu"). There are people in this world who spend an inordinate amount of time looking at pictures of Jewish and Israeli women and they still do not call Gadot beautiful. Rachel Weisz (nominally not Israeli yet but she serves here for calibration) is gorgeous, Nata-sama Herschlag is beautiful, Moran Atias is beautiful, Shlomit Reger is very pretty. Gadot is never at the top of that ordering, least of all given exclusively Israeli competition.
    (The favorite Jewfu of /pol/ for some time has been the b-list celebrity and ethnic, of all things, Uzbek, Milana Vayntrub. Take a look at her in any position or costume and then tell me about this Gadot person, and then blame it all on Uzbek nationalism.)

    There are people in this world who spend an inordinate amount of time looking at pictures of Jewish and Israeli women

    I shall defer to your expertise.

    To repeat, Gadot is fine looking for a comic book Amazon warrior. Commenters (not you) complaining that she’s not suitably feminine perhaps don’t understand she was cast as the lead in a conventional superhero action movie. Casting a petite bombshell like Hayden Panettiere (for example) wouldn’t make any sense.

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  97. Travis says:
    @Zoodles
    I am in favour of Jews no longer being white. Once that is clarified, the statistics of power and wealth distribution in the english speaking world suddenly become much clearer.

    True, and many leading Universities would become majority non-White School overnight.

    current breakdown at Harvard.
    28% Jews, North Africans, Arabs, Middle Eastern and Persian.
    22% Asian
    21% White
    13% Black
    12% Hispanic
    3% Native American (probably mostly whites like Sen. Warren)

    probably many Jews will not self identify as being MENA. most Half Asians will identify as White when they apply to Harvard. I know a Korean adoptee who attended Penn, she identified as White to increase her chances of being accepted, and it worked

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    current breakdown at Harvard. 28% Jews, North Africans, Arabs, Middle Eastern and Persian.

    Unless 20% of the student body is Arab or Iranian, no.
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  98. Forbes says:
    @syonredux
    From the Forward

    The whiteness of “Wonder Woman” doesn’t seem up for debate. And yet, some have decided to debate it. An argument has been bubbling underground on social media that Gal Gadot, who plays the title role, is actually a person of color. It was aired in full by Matthew Mueller at comicbook.com. “Gal Gadot is not actually Caucasian, but is in fact Israeli,” Mueller announces confidently. He then goes on to chastise POC critics for not recognizing her casting as triumph for diverse representation.

    Mueller doesn’t actually have much of an argument. He mentions a Times of Israel blog post which points to the history of Jewish oppression and waffles back and forth on whether Jews might be considered POC. But mostly Mueller just announces “Gadot is Israeli!” like a magician pulling a piece of lint out of a hat and trying to convince you it’s a rabbit.
     

    In this context, the best definition of white people is simply “people who are considered white.” Gadot’s nationality was not a secret; she wasn’t passing as something other than Israeli. Mueller is arguing that when people see Gadot as white, they are wrong. But being white is really just a matter of what people see you as. People know Gadot’s background; they simply see that background as consistent with whiteness —David Edelstein’s bizarrely exoticizing comment that Israeli women are “a breed unto themselves” notwithstanding. For that matter, in Israel itself, Gadot’s skin color and European background protect her from the kind of discrimination faced by Ethiopian Jews, other dark-skinned Jews, and Palestinians.

    Among those who see Gadot as white are the “Wonder Woman” filmmakers. Gadot is Jewish and Israeli, but — like the Jewish Scarlett Johansson — Hollywood perceives her in terms of unpsecified whiteness. In the film, Wonder Woman’s mother is played by Connie Nielsen, a white Danish actor. Wonder Woman as a young girl is played (in a show-stealing turn) by white actress Lilly Aspell. Gadot got the role as Wonder Woman precisely because she is seen as an appropriate actor to play a character who has traditionally been white.

     

    http://forward.com/culture/film-tv/373658/gal-gadots-wonder-woman-is-white-lets-not-pretend-otherwise/

    The same folks that tell us race is a social construct, now inform us of this new (well, 21st century) category: person of color.

    I’m so pasty white, my skin tone is pink–does that make me a person of color? I look forward to affirmative action and the rest of the bag of gibmedats…

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  99. @Marty
    Gadot was born in 1985, the same year in which the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history took her star turn: Rosanna Arquette in Eight Million Ways to Die.

    > … the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history …

    That would be Jennifer Connelly, if half-Jewish counts.

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    That would be Jennifer Connelly, if half-Jewish counts.
     
    Three words: The. Hot. Spot. 'Nuff said.
    , @fish

    That would be Jennifer Connelly, if half-Jewish counts.
     
    Back in "Mulholland Falls" days when she still had her baby fat! She got a little ropey when she thinned out!
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  100. Forbes says:
    @syonredux

    The Obama Administration sponsored a Census Bureau initiative to carve away part of its white category by creating a separate nonwhite racial category entitled Middle Eastern and North African, which would seemingly include Israelis like Gadot.
     
    Which, when you bear in mind where Gadot's family comes from, is kinda funny:

    Gal was born to a Jewish family in Israel. Her family were Jewish immigrants from Belarus, Lithuania, Russia, Poland, Austria, Czechoslovakia, and Germany.
     
    http://ethnicelebs.com/gal-gadot

    Must be the Magic Dirt in Israel that transmuted her ethnic heritage into MENA, and a person of color.

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    "Must be the Magic Dirt in Israel that transmuted her ethnic heritage into MENA, and a person of color."

    Or a Magic Marker.
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  101. @Opinionator
    Or Carrie Fisher.

    There is a subset of Jews who are really into playing the victim.

    Portman was awful in the prequels. (Everyone was awful, though, so you can’t blame only her.)

    It was depressing to see how bad Fisher looked in the ripoff (the first new one). I haven’t seen the newest new film – J.J. has made two so far, right?

    Fisher had an amusing cameo in Scream 3 as someone who looked an awful lot like … Carrie Fisher.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kdKjQgUVDaI

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    To answer my own question: I pay so little attention to Star Wars news that I wasn't even sure if we were on Movie 8 or Movie 9. I looked it up. The next one (coming out on December 15 of this year) is 8. Movie 7, whatever it's called, is a ripoff of A New Hope.

    Despite having spent much of my life obsessed with Star Trek, I don't even know how many Abrams movies there have been. I saw the first two when they came out. I have a vague impression that Beyond is the third one, and that a fourth one - Discovery, is it? - will be coming out in the next few years.

    I saw Into Darkness in the theater and found it so disappointing - a fourth-rate rehash of The Wrath of Khan, only marginally better than the fifth-rate TWoK retread that was Nemesis - that I vowed to boycott all upcoming Abrams flicks. I haven't seen one of his movies since.

    Of course, I could easily answer all of these questions by doing a Google search, or even by paying a bit more attention to the news, but I don't want to know. I don't want to think about the soulless Hollywood machine and its never-ending assembly line of remakes.

    Is there a man alive who has never seen any of the Harry Potter movies, any of the Lord of the Rings movies, or any of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies? Is there anyone in this world who has never seen *any* of them? There's at least one man who hasn't - me.

    (Before everyone starts freaking out, let me say that I'm not conflating J.R.R. Tolkien with J.K. Rowling; I'm merely pointing to two enormously-lucrative movie franchises that I know nothing about. I have no interest in fantasy movies.)

    The other day, I was thinking of a movie to watch, and the title that popped into my head was King Vidor's The Fountainhead (1949). I really dig that movie - and I'm no Randite, believe me. It's one of the best bad movies ever made. You have a character who tosses a statue out of a window because she doesn't like humanity and a character who blows up a humanitarian housing project because he doesn't like the statuary. Vidor's Code-approved depictions of rape and suicide are simplistic, even laughable, but surprisingly effective. The over-the-top phallic imagery - icy heiress Patricia Neal fantasizes about stone-cold quarry worker (and architect) Gary Cooper's long, hard drill - is only icing on the cake.



    There will never be another movie like Vidor's Fountainhead. Oh, there'll be another movie with the same name and the same basic plot someday, but it won't have Cooper's wooden line deliveries, or Neal's ridiculously-overwrought facial expressions, or that crazy set design, or that insistent score, or that luscious black-and-white German Expressionist cinematography. (If it's anything like the low-budget Atlas Shrugged adaptation that came out a few years ago, it'll be a total borefest.)

    If you know how much I like The Fountainhead, then you might be surprised to learn that at times I like Commando (1985), starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, even more.

    There'll never be another movie like Commando. Oh, there'll be another similarly-silly action movie full of cheesy one-liners, but the humor will be a little too self-conscious to give off the same vibe. They'll probably make all of the villains white. If they do cast a white guy as the heroic lead, he'll probably be a Brit, and he'll likely affect a technically-flawless but vaguely-unconvincing American accent. They might cast an Aussie on the villain, but he won't have a mustache, and he won't be wearing a ridiculous Freddie Mercury getup, complete with leather pants and a chain-mail vest. But even if they decide to match all of the elements, find an Austrian bodybuilder with a thick-enough accent to play John Matrix, and do a shot-by-shot, word-for-word, R-rated remake, it won't be as good (meaning bad). The zeitgeist will see to that.

    There aren't that many shot-by-shot remakes that we can use as examples of the effect of the zeitgeist, but there are a few. Gus Van Sant's Psycho (1998) is so startlingly different from - and inferior to - the 1960 Hitchcock film that it seems a crime that the two should bear the same name. The many (mostly) identical elements shared by the two films serve only to highlight the deficiencies of the newer movie's cast and crew, to say nothing of its director.

    One of the most glaring examples is that, in 1960, we don't hear the sounds of Anthony Perkins abusing himself as he watches Janet Leigh undress through a crack in the wall. In 1998, we hear Vince Vaughn fapping to Anne Heche, and an ostensibly-creepy scene becomes so silly that it fails even as inadvertent comedy.

    Van Sant doesn't seem to grasp that Norman Bates is an honest-to-God prude who would rather murder the object of his desire than admit his arousal. He wouldn't dream of touching himself. He's a Freudian archetype. He and Mother have a warped semi-sexual relationship. When he finds himself aroused by a living, breathing woman, Mother gets jealous and eliminates the competition.

    (Of course, in the 2017 TV series, Norman Bates is a closet case who ends up sleeping with another man. How surprising.)

    In 1960, when the actress playing Mrs. Chambers tells us that Norman found his mother and her lover dead together "in bed," she whispers the last two words as if they're some deep, dark secret to which the audience is becoming privy. (At that time, sex was not something that was discussed in polite company, and even a discreet, roundabout mention of it was seen as somewhat scandalous.) This adds to the characterization of a very minor character - it shows us that she's a gossip. (A certain kind of woman - an older busybody type - has always enjoyed whispering about other people's dirty little secrets.) In 1998, the actress says the words flatly, and makes no impression at all.

    When we first see the 1960-model Mrs. Bates in all her glory, her hair is combed in such a way that it conceals the fact that she's a skeleton until the last possible moment. In 1998, we see the bones several seconds before the skull face finishes its slow 360-degree turn toward the camera, spoiling the supposed surprise. And unlike Vera Miles, Julianne Moore can't scream to save her life.

    Psycho '98 is so inept that it pales in comparison even next to drek like The Silence of the Hams (1994), a staggeringly-incompetent Naked Gun-type "comedy" that borrows most of its major plot points from Hitchcock's classic. (The rest are taken from a certain well-known thriller starring Jodie Foster. Incidentally, the main character in Hams is named Jo Dee Fostar. The movie is that bad, and that dumb.)

    I wonder if, two or three decades from now, I'll find myself listening to a bad-movie lover lamenting the fact that he's too young to remember the good old days when stuff like [crappy boring remake] was being made.

    "Twenty-seventeen must have been such an interesting time to be alive," he'll say. "Why couldn't I have been born in, say, 1998, so I could have been old enough to enjoy all of that stuff when it was fresh and exciting and new? Why did I have to be born in 2019?"

    "Kid," I'll respond in my crusty-old-curmudgeon voice, "that crap was old and tired and laughable at the time it was made. Even then, we were complaining about everything."

    We'll see.
    , @MEH 0910

    J.J. has made two so far, right?

     

    J.J. Abrams has only made one (thank the Maker!). Rian Johnson has directed the next one coming out.
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  102. @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    Do a Google image search of “Gal Godot,” as I just did. Wanted to see for myself. Conclusion: Smoking hot.

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    Do a Google image search of “Gal Godot,” as I just did.
     
    I followed your advice. All I got was pics of Samuel Beckett and theatrical stuff.
    You don't believe me, do you?
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    If I were a more established commentor here, I would have LOL'd, because that's what I did.
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  103. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Veritatis
    "I dunno … Hedy Lamarr, Lauren Bacall?"

    Elizabeth Taylor? Winona Rider, Natalie Portman? Or Jennifer Aniston, Jessica Parker, Mila Kunis and many others I have no idea of? A lot of TV series would be my guess, plus the characters' names: Hannah, Zach, Zeke, Josh...

    Jennifer Aniston isn’t Jewish, though she played a Jewish character on Friends.

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    I thought it was Courteney Cox's character Monica Geller who was Jewish.
    , @Autochthon
    I think people get confused not because her (most famous) rôle was Jewish, but because her nose is....
    , @Njguy73

    Jennifer Aniston isn’t Jewish, though she played a Jewish character on Friends.
     
    FWIW, her soap-opera-star father was born in Greece.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Aniston
    , @syonredux

    Jennifer Aniston isn’t Jewish, though she played a Jewish character on Friends.
     
    Yep:

    Place of Birth: Sherman Oaks, Los Angeles, California, United States

    Date of Birth: February 11, 1969

    Ethnicity:
    *Greek (father)
    *Scottish, Italian or Arbëreshë/Albanian, English, possibly Irish (mother)
     
    http://ethnicelebs.com/jennifer-aniston
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  104. @J.Ross
    William Blake Tyrrell has an excellent short book that lays out convincingly that the Athenian ruling class used them as a politically convenient and nakedly xenophobic metaphor for Persians. Apparently new discoveries emerged as soon as I lost interest in the topic, but when I followed it, there were two explanations:
    These are non-Greek ancient Eastern Europeans whose ruling class women sometimes took up arms (this is thoroughly evidenced but doesn't get you a viable matriarchal society).
    Or
    This is a very primitive society, where social gender roles are not well defined: not women dominating men but women dominating overgrown boys. This would explain why these societies do not survive beyond meeting societies of "real men." This is somewhat borne out by very primitive societies observable today (none of which look anything like Amazons).
    By the way, "Amazon" is the single worst term for warrior women. In Greek mythology they exist to be laughed at -- when Bellerophon defeats you, you're doing something wrong.

    I think it’s pretty clear that the Amazon myth was inspired by a community of former Olympic decathlon champions.

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  105. @guest
    Have *you* seen her body? Straight up and down, no T or A to speak of. Not as bad as it could be, because she has some curvature of the hips and her shoulders don't make her look like a linebacker.

    I don't feel good criticizing like this, but so long as people are holding her up as hot, something must be said. Beauty standards are sacred.

    By the way, I'd be happy if she were more masculine, given that she's playing an Amazon. She's too slight for the role. But I guess computers fix that.

    But I guess computers fix that.

    Please explain.

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  106. NotWoke says:

    I’ve heard great things about the WW movie, but I’m so sick of the social justice warrior shtick that I’ll be unable to just relax and enjoy the movie.

    I don’t understand why everything in the world had to be a cry for social justice; especially since “justice” seems to mean “privileges for non-whites”.

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  107. @syonredux

    I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked
     
    The good critical notices are largely motivated by the desire to be PC. The Great and the Good want to say nice things about a female led-and-directed superhero film. I saw it yesterday ( Didn't pay; I theatre-hopped after watching Alien: Covenant ), and it's just OK. It's certainly nowhere near as enjoyable as The Dark Knight, Iron Man, or Captain America:The Winter Soldier.

    > The good critical notices are largely motivated by the desire to be PC.

    That’s what I thought, à la Ghostbusters, which was mostly embarrassingly dumb, though it had a lot of talent: onto the outrageous fantasy of the original, you tack on the improbability of misfit women scientists and engineers acting like tough first responders, assisted by a wimpy and stupid but cute Thor — well, I gave it points for chutzpah anyway!

    So I expected Wonder Woman to be bad, for PC reasons and due to superhero fatigue: Doctor Strange ok, but Deadpool and that other “bad superheroes” film terrible in my book. So I was surprised to find Wonder Woman very, very enjoyable. Gal Gadot is luminous and works well with Chris Pine. Dialogue is sometimes very funny, action scenes are pretty cool (despite implausibility of those amazons as tough warriors at the start). And the message is not as dumb and tedious and childish as other superhero films: war is terrible, humans suck, grand principles fail, but humans are also capable of love and heroism and worth saving. And yes you can be a hot woman and still stand up for yourself and be admired not just for your hotness. Gal Gadot’s military and Israeli background may have helped make the movie more realistic: who you gonna believe about war: Gal Gadot or Scarlett Johansson?

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    So I was surprised to find Wonder Woman very, very enjoyable.
     
    Well, As I said upthread, I thought that it was OK. Not terrible (Catwoman , Suicide Squad). Not really good (Dark Knight, Iron Man). Just OK. And I can see how someone might like it more than I did.
    , @Bob Smith of Suburbia
    To heck with all that, all I want to know is, How many of them eee-vil Naht-zees did she kill?
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  108. tsotha says:

    Gadot defies some of the stereotypes of women, especially as many Jewish women were portrayed on film as unattractive or the funny sidekick, said Emily Shire, politics editor at Bustle.

    Eh… Rachel Weisz, Scarlett Johansson? If Jewish women are seen as the sidekick, it’s because they’re so overrepresented in comedy. Roseanne Barr isn’t going to get a leading role as a siren.

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  109. Stealth says:
    @neutral
    I might as well post this here because it is certainly related.
    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/yes-ashkenazi-jews-including-gal-gadot-are-people-of-color/

    I really don't know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white, if they don't see themselves as white, then how can one not accept this ? In the case of Gal Gadot, she certainly has Arabic features.

    LOL.

    Officially jumping ship would be a stupendously dumb idea.

    1. With so many powerful whites becoming folk of color overnight, Americans still wearing the scarlet W would immediately seem – and feel – a hell of a lot less privileged, and the social justice con would become less potent really fast.

    2. Jews would be alienating their greatest allies: white evangelicals and other pro-Israel Republicans.

    3. Now being on the outside, Jewish progressives would probably lose a lot of influence over their gentile counterparts.

    I’m sure this list could be embellished, but suffice it to say that such a move would be Bad For The Jews in many ways.

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  110. Orthodox says:

    Lynda Carter makes my pulse rise. This one doesn’t. I haven’t seen Wonder Woman yet, but she seemed mannish (physically and with the character) in the Superman movie.

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  111. @biz

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Israel derangement is now turning people gay, apparently.

    Gal Gadot is freaking hot. Have you seen her body? And that's after kids.

    As guest remarks, this Gadot creature is built like a twelve-year-old Chinese boy wearing a padded bra. Wonder Woman was meant to personify feminine perfection, including feminine beauty, not to be a mannish bundle of bones and sinew. The casting from the time before the world list its damned mind to feminism and related mental illnesses is instructive, as are of course the original drawings in the comic books.

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  112. Stealth says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Jennifer Aniston isn't Jewish, though she played a Jewish character on Friends.

    I thought it was Courteney Cox’s character Monica Geller who was Jewish.

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    Apparently, there's some debate about the kashrut levels of the characters: http://www.vulture.com/2014/12/friends-countdown-is-rachel-green-jewish.html
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  113. Svigor says:

    You narrative-wrecking again, Steve?

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  114. It is quite astonishing how sites of the alledged “America First” right are so utterly silent on the 50′th anniversary of the murderous attack by Israel on the USS Liberty and the treasonous cover-up.

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  115. Svigor says:

    “Not as pretty as Lynda Carter,” yeah but who is? Carter was one of those rare knockout Amazons who was actually a knockout. Lucy Lawless was similar, though not in Carter’s class.

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  116. Svigor says:

    Jennifer Aniston isn’t Jewish, though she played a Jewish character on Friends.

    She has a vaguely SE European look that makes that plausible.

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    Half Greek.
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  117. Beautiful body, but her mind….

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  118. Svigor says:

    I still don’t know why she dresses herself in a flag of the US in a peculiar cheerleader fashion.

    Because her concept and origin was as a female Captain-America type, for WWII comics. The rest is details that followed on. TL;DR version: she was literally invented to be a US cheerleader.

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  119. @Arclight
    Seems to be a fair amount of commentary on the left where they are disappointed Wonder Woman is conventionally attractive and perhaps the actress selected should have been some kind of visibly ethnic/gay/transgender...SJWs are just such miserably people they can't just sit back and enjoy a popcorn movie, they have to screech about how it doesn't put outliers in leading roles just to show they are as good/strong/smart as everyone else.

    I’ve noticed this particular tactic to move the goalposts by double-dipping: a passable (not especially unattractive, maybe even pleasant, but hardly gorgeous) woman such ad Gadot is targeted as being too perfect, glamourous, beautiful, and so on, and thus instead of the passable woman being realistic and average (as she is, whereas a truly stunning woman like Lynda Carter would have beauty and grace admittedly unattainable and not to be expected in the overwhelming majority of women…), now, in the perverted view espoused, a passable woman with an unremarkable figure becomes the Holy Grail of unattainable perfection, such that tubby or truly homely women are now meant to be what the average man should see as on his level.

    I see what they’ve done there. Clever bastards.

    Anecdotally, my wife is of course the most beautiful woman in the world to me (she is my wife!), but she is no Lynda Carter (I’m certainly no Ryan Gosling!). That said, because she is fit: she stands just under five feet tall and, not being obese, weighs just under ninety pounds. Yet all the wildebeests we casually encounter react as if she were an anorexic gymnast simply because she does not have a gut. This isn’t a humblebragging “my wife is hot, bro” point – she is no Marilyn Monroe. Rather, I’m emphasizing that I know from personal experience, day in and day out, that the average (i.e., obese, nowadays) person now thinks a woman with a healthy, normal weight is some kind of freakishly petite creature to behold. It’s astounding how quickly this deranged view has taken hold, if you only think about it and investigate the actual average heigjts and weights of people in, say, the 1950s (and probably even much later…).

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    They couldn't get away with pushing the idea that average men should pair up with homely women if men didn't go along with it....but do they ever.
    , @Kylie
    Congratulation to your wife on staying fit. Since she is under 5 feet tall, she should weigh under 100 pounds. If people can't compliment her, they should STFU instead of jumping to the erroneous conclusion that she suffers from an eating disorder.

    I'm 62, 5'7" tall, very small-boned and weigh 125 pounds. I'm very comfortable at this weight and while no athlete, stay active doing house and yard work and can still lock my knees and touch my toes. The chubbies I know who consider themselves "active" are always on the go. This means they drive from place to place and then sit when they get to where they're going. None of them are "active" doing any house or yard work
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  120. @syonredux
    Emily Shire's actually a bit better looking than I would have guessed. She's no Lauren Bacall or Hedy Lamarr, though.


    https://twitter.com/bustle/status/740340157665021952

    I think it’s more just that the professional cosmetologists at Fox News are more skilled than whoever made her up (herself?) for the photograph at her blog.

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  121. I think this ridicoulous Lynda Carter vs gal gadot debate (which honestly is just as stupid and insignificant as the should WW shave her armpits debate) can be pretty aptly summed as such- people who still have hair and hence aren’t prone to relentless nostalgia find Gadot better looking. Like everything these days it comes down to boomer nostalgia for the days when they weren’t bald

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    Present day Gal Gadot is a little better looking than Linda Carter in her prime, I would say. Gadot is exceptionally good looking in my opinion. I don't know how anyone could deny it.
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  122. George says:

    Hedy Lamarr is a borderline Jew. The others are safe picks.

    http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=617

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    Hedy Lamarr was not only beautiful, she was also highly intelligent. She invented a form of radio modulation called "frequency hopping" when she was only 28 years old. This is especially impressive since she had no training (formal or otherwise) in radio engineering and had left school as a teen to pursue an acting career in Berlin. Today, all of our advanced radio techiniques such as cell phones, wifi, satellites and blue tooth use this technology developed by Hedy. Frederick Emmons Terman must have been blown away by this chick. Howard Hughes offered her a job at his aircraft company and I don't blame him. According to the Internet Hedy Lamarr may have been among the smartest women ever to have lived, right up there with Oprah Winfrey (largest head/brain on record) and Grace Hopper (inventer of computer programming).
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  123. @Dave Pinsen
    Jennifer Aniston isn't Jewish, though she played a Jewish character on Friends.

    I think people get confused not because her (most famous) rôle was Jewish, but because her nose is….

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  124. @syonredux

    The Obama Administration sponsored a Census Bureau initiative to carve away part of its white category by creating a separate nonwhite racial category entitled Middle Eastern and North African, which would seemingly include Israelis like Gadot.
     
    Which, when you bear in mind where Gadot's family comes from, is kinda funny:

    Gal was born to a Jewish family in Israel. Her family were Jewish immigrants from Belarus, Lithuania, Russia, Poland, Austria, Czechoslovakia, and Germany.
     
    http://ethnicelebs.com/gal-gadot

    I hate to further complicate matters, but Gadot’s children could qualify as Hispanic, on account of their father’s name, Varsano, which is Spanish-Jewish.

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  125. @Escher
    Maybe one of the leading ladies from the new "Ghostbusters" can take the role.

    Unfortunately, I’ve already spent my one alloted LOL on this thread. So, LOL for your comment too.

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  126. MSP says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    “Gal Gadot is not pretty” – You’re on crack. She’s beautiful.

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  127. Yes, sexy Jewish women have been “in public life” forever. Steve mentioned Lauren Bacall. Yes!

    The brain is the largest sex organ. (And it’s Woody Allen’s second favorite.)

    Just imagine how much fun the men in Dr. Ruth Westheimer’s life have had:

    One of the “working girls” I’ve mentioned here before was a Jewish girl from Far Rockaway. That kind of public life crosses all lines.

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  128. @JohnyD
    I think we can all agree that Gal Gadot is a much better looking woman than Caitlyn Jenner...

    That comment would have gotten you pilloried in the first few heady months after Bruce/Kaitlin’s world-shaking announcement (a couple years ago already).

    But now that his TV show has bombed and even the freakish Kardashian clan is washing its hands of him, I guess you can get away with kicking him like that.

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  129. Njguy73 says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Jennifer Aniston isn't Jewish, though she played a Jewish character on Friends.

    Jennifer Aniston isn’t Jewish, though she played a Jewish character on Friends.

    FWIW, her soap-opera-star father was born in Greece.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Aniston

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  130. @Brutusale
    Google Images has a panoply of shots where Ms. Shire ranges from "It's late and I'm drunk" to "Not enough scotch has been distilled".

    I know not of this lass but when I saw the photo my first thought was “perhaps after a six pack if there were no other prospects.”. Your Google suggestion was spot on. It is a modern version of what we referred to in my 1992 fraternity as the “Bjork Dilemma.”

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  131. @anony-mouse
    Since we're talking about half-Jews and Lynda Carter:

    https://www.google.com/#q=lynda+carter+daughter

    Read it and weep.

    I don’t think anyone did not already ling since know Carter’s daughter was sired by Altman. I’m not sure why the fact should inspire weeping in any event. If every breeding of a gentile woman to a Jew were cause for unhinged wailing and gnashing of teeth, we’d all long since have lost our voices and be gumming mashed potatoes for every meal. Just like the Negroes, mestizos, and all the other hostile and parasitic peoples, taking the women of the targeted population is what Jews do. It’s what all such hostile peoples have done since time immemorial. The only difference is the targeted men used to react by fighting rather than cheering.

    Welcome to iSteve, if this basic truism of sociobiology excites you, you’re in for Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride if you stick around.

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  132. @Mikey Darmody
    It saddens me that comics book adaptations are the preeminent products of our civilization, rather than space travel.
    The Israeli girl is pretty nice looking tbh. Not a knockout but a healthy-looking broad. I think she did some kind of military service.
    Do the Israelis fetishize their military women? U.S. servicewomen look like dogs generally. Maybe it is because the Israelis have mandatory service, I believe, so even the good looking girls put on the uniform. Whereas over here the US servicewomen pool is rather..... Sapphic. Or do the Israeli men just go in for the whole lady-in-uniform BDSM vibe, a lá Ilsa SheWolf of the SS? How does this square with some people's claims that the Jews aren't attracted to their own women?

    Do the Israelis fetishize their military women?

    In one limited, and amusing way, yes. The army has girls teach new recruits how to use weapons — rifles, tanks, etc. It’s done on purpose as it’s thought the boys pay closer attention that way (even in their usually sleep-deprived state).

    And that happened to be Gal Gadot’s role during her military service (according to Wikipedia).

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    Very interesting. Does it work?
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  133. Stealth says:
    @Sam Haysom
    I think this ridicoulous Lynda Carter vs gal gadot debate (which honestly is just as stupid and insignificant as the should WW shave her armpits debate) can be pretty aptly summed as such- people who still have hair and hence aren't prone to relentless nostalgia find Gadot better looking. Like everything these days it comes down to boomer nostalgia for the days when they weren't bald

    Present day Gal Gadot is a little better looking than Linda Carter in her prime, I would say. Gadot is exceptionally good looking in my opinion. I don’t know how anyone could deny it.

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  134. @neutral
    I might as well post this here because it is certainly related.
    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/yes-ashkenazi-jews-including-gal-gadot-are-people-of-color/

    I really don't know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white, if they don't see themselves as white, then how can one not accept this ? In the case of Gal Gadot, she certainly has Arabic features.

    I really don’t know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white

    For the record, I’m white. And when the “are we white” topic has come up, I’ve helpfully (nah, maliciously) suggested we ask a black person his opinion.

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    "For the record, I’m white."
    International Honorary White Jew. Only 'cos you're a jolly nice fellow. :)
    , @Opinionator
    Are Semites White?
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  135. @Dave Pinsen
    Who is? Circa 1975 Lynda Carter is about as a hot as it gets.

    But Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman was much more feminine than feminist. She looked like she never touched a dumbbell. And how many times did some bad guy get the drop on her with chloroform?

    Both the comic book and Lynda Carter TV show balanced out the feminist nature of the character by including some damsel-in-distress / BDSM-type scenarios. In fact, WW’s creator, William Moulton Marsten, was a noted BDSM enthusiast. In her original incarnation, Wonder Woman could be rendered powerless by having her hands bound by a man (!). Needless to say, I’m sure all these aspects have been dropped for this latest film, probably replaced by mindless feminist you-go-grrrl!-ism.

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    Interesting. Makes sense.
    , @European-American
    > probably replaced by mindless feminist you-go-grrrl!-ism

    More like harmless, humorous, and old-fashioned pro-woman jabs like this one:


    Etta Candy: I'm Steve Trevor's secretary.
    Diana Prince: What is a secretary?
    Etta Candy: I go where he tells me to go, I do what he tells me to do.
    Diana Prince: Where we come from, that's called slavery.
    Etta Candy: I like her!
     
    Anyone who has been or who knows a secretary will at least giggle at that one.
    , @res
    This was discussed on iSteve last month: http://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-butt-kicking-babe-movies-empower-young-girls/#comment-1866364
    But given the overall tone of this thread this seems worth including: http://comicsalliance.com/golden-age-wonder-woman-kink-gallery/
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  136. @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.
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  137. @International Jew

    Do the Israelis fetishize their military women?
     
    In one limited, and amusing way, yes. The army has girls teach new recruits how to use weapons — rifles, tanks, etc. It's done on purpose as it's thought the boys pay closer attention that way (even in their usually sleep-deprived state).

    And that happened to be Gal Gadot's role during her military service (according to Wikipedia).

    Very interesting. Does it work?

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    It wouldn't have worked on my 18-year-old self; the instructor could be teaching me how to strip my rifle but my mind would be undressing her.
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  138. flayotters says: • Website

    From the trailer it looks like a little Puerto Rican girl wins WW1.
    Bet the one million plus (all male) casualties of the Battle of the Somme might have something to say about that. Oh yeah right, they’re dead; and we’re left with a little Puerto Rican girl. Yay.
    Of course comic books were always vehicles of Jewish wish fulfillment.
    They stuck RWB all over everything so America would be cool with that. Don’t need that schtick any more though – am I right?

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  139. @Dave Pinsen
    She was spectacularly beautiful.

    But one of the conceits of her '70s Wonder Woman was that she was supposed to be plain-looking as an Army secretary.

    She was awesome, but the show was unbelievably bad. Amazon had a good deal on the DVDs about 12 years ago and I had the misfortune to watch the entire series again after so many years. It was a lot more fun when I was a kid. Ugh.

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    I'm not sure it's fair to call a campy, fun, '70s TV series bad. It's going to look dated from today's vantage, but that's not the same thing as it being bad.
    , @Truth

    the show was unbelievably bad.... I... watch the entire series again...

     

    Must have been terrible.
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  140. @neutral
    I might as well post this here because it is certainly related.
    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/yes-ashkenazi-jews-including-gal-gadot-are-people-of-color/

    I really don't know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white, if they don't see themselves as white, then how can one not accept this ? In the case of Gal Gadot, she certainly has Arabic features.

    There are some ridiculous Jews and then there are people like you who convince them that they’re sane. Congratulations.

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  141. Jack D says:
    @J.Ross
    Two items.

    To Steve's point, back when Al Franken first ran against Norm Coleman for the Senate seat representing Minnesota, which had been made famous by the late lamented Paul Wellstone, a Jewish blog (which no longer exists) plaintively wondered whether those dumb flyover rednecks in Saskatcheconsin or whatever it's called could bring themselves to Elect whom God had Chosen. Some impolite wag asked how the blogger could type such a thing given that all of the people involved, elected, defeated, or assassinated, were obviously Jewish. A few hours last that blog post was removed without explanation. But Jews reflexively take for granted that they are universally and irrationally hated, no matter how many times they are elected.
    "Oh sure, I see how it is -- all of you want me to move to DC!"

    Second point, the creepy one: Is the anorexic mousy Arabish Gadot a refutation to my creepy Law that "phenotypically Jewish girls are gorgeous, but nobody hates them worse than Hollywood or Israeli public relations?" Gadot has something of a history in Israeli public relations, and her perfectly balanced pleasant-mousiness is definitely a plus in attracting, or not offending, female audiences: would these same "body positive" audiences embrace a modern day young Lynda Carter? Maybe this is a refutation of the Law, but it does not mean that we have the true total freedom of casting, which we will possibly see in our lifetimes once Hollywood finally dies.

    Gadot is 100% Ashkenazi and not the least bit “Arabish”. If she were French or Spanish or Italian (and she could pass for any of them) no one would accuse her of being “Arabish”.

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    I was repeating what another commenter said about her appearance and saying absolutely nothing about her ancestry.
    , @Opinionator
    Aren't Ashkenazis semitic? Like Arabs are?
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  142. @J.Ross
    >do Israelis fetishize their military women

    Prior to this, Gadot was famously in a pin-up campaign organized by the Israeli government, that was exposed as favoring Israeli women who were already established as professional models and who had not served in the military. Following that and with the benefit of Instagram, there are regular astroturf propaganda campaigns with photos of actual serving IDF chicks, often in auhentic-looking uniforms or photographed "spontaneously." They consistently look much better than the professional models.
    There's a "Norwegian" guy that posted the same set every night at /pol/ for about three months.
    Israeli military amazons have been dramatically talked-up and exaggerated in more recent movies, notably a Predator sequel that featuring an "Israeli jungle warfare specialist" (let that sink in), and the foundational text here is an old eighties flick titled "This Is The Army, Girls," which has a wrestling-training scene and a CFMN scene.
    And of course Israelis deny this in the US press but they have always been intensely aware that their main enemy is literally "afraid of girls." There are stories about female IDF soldiers publicly humiliating old Arab men without provocation, basically for the amusement of their male comrades (or their own).

    I suppose it is a good recruitment tactic, probably better than the Western style of touting the economic benefits of military service. It would be best to recruit young men by appealing to love of country and desire for glory. However, America may be too debased to hold up as an object of devotion.
    This talk of lady soldiers hearkens back to the Nietzsche thread. He recognized how cruel women can be. Even crueler than men, at least in a moral sense. A great play that is proto-Nietzschean and aware of the feminine nature of cruelty and madness is the Bacchae by Euripides:
    “They did attack our herds: you could have seen a woman pull a calf to pieces as it bellowed alive in her bare hands!”

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    "Even crueler than men, at least in a moral sense."

    It's a pity Kipling's poems aren't taught in schools any more. "The Female Of The Species", "The Vampyre", "Gods Of The Copybook Headings" and "The Stranger Within My Gate" are almost the complete guide - and warning - to the way we live now.
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  143. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jack D
    Gadot is 100% Ashkenazi and not the least bit "Arabish". If she were French or Spanish or Italian (and she could pass for any of them) no one would accuse her of being "Arabish".

    I was repeating what another commenter said about her appearance and saying absolutely nothing about her ancestry.

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  144. @JohnyD
    I think we can all agree that Gal Gadot is a much better looking woman than Caitlyn Jenner...

    Yeah…but Caitlyn would kick her ass.

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  145. @syonredux
    One thing that really stood out to me regarding Wonder Woman is just how derivative it is. It's Captain America: The First Avenger mixed with the fish-out-of-water stuff from Thor. I suppose that they thought that setting the action in WWI (as opposed to WWII) would keep people from noticing....

    This.

    None of these are good movies but Thor was more fun as it has a more charismatic lead who can approximate being an actor in a scene (Gadot couldn’t even pull off the right mugging expressions) as well as a wonderfully hammy Asgardian pseudo-shakespeare cast&story. It is also half an hour shorter than Wonder Woman.


    Captain American: The First Avenger
    can get away with a lot because, again, Chris Evans has great screen presence and it was well paced and snappy. It also helps that WWII is so well-trodden and mythologized that you can almost ignore how superficial they treat the period or the narrative itself.

    In contrast, Wonder Woman is wounded by how cartoonishly it treats WWI and its story- especially as the plot revolves around the character struggling to sympathize with humans in a war-torn world. All I took away from it was Diana switched capriciously between pitying and being amused by humans and their miseries of war.

    There are a multitude of problems with this film– including the poor directing — and it is perplexing what so many people see in this movie.

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    None of these are good movies but Thor was more fun as it has a more charismatic lead who can approximate being an actor in a scene (Gadot couldn’t even pull off the right mugging expressions)
     
    God, yes. Her acting was really bad. She was outshone by Chris Pine in all their scenes together.
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  146. Anon7 says:
    @guest
    Have *you* seen her body? Straight up and down, no T or A to speak of. Not as bad as it could be, because she has some curvature of the hips and her shoulders don't make her look like a linebacker.

    I don't feel good criticizing like this, but so long as people are holding her up as hot, something must be said. Beauty standards are sacred.

    By the way, I'd be happy if she were more masculine, given that she's playing an Amazon. She's too slight for the role. But I guess computers fix that.

    You have no idea. Gadot was very pregnant during much of filming. She would carry it well (she’s 5’10″), but she wore a triangle of green cloth over the bump; her figure was filled in (or subtracted) in post-production.

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  147. Anon7 says:
    @neutral
    I might as well post this here because it is certainly related.
    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/yes-ashkenazi-jews-including-gal-gadot-are-people-of-color/

    I really don't know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white, if they don't see themselves as white, then how can one not accept this ? In the case of Gal Gadot, she certainly has Arabic features.

    Her ancestry is Polish-Jewish, Austrian-Jewish, German-Jewish, and Czech-Jewish.

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  148. The Master List of Comely Jewesses really ought to include Melanie Laurent, Bar Rafaeli, Eva Green (despite being a little odd looking), Rachel Riley, Winona Ryder, and, in her prime, Phoebe Cates. That last one almost makes me want to welcome our new Judeo-Asian overlords.

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    Eva Green (despite being a little odd looking), Rachel Riley, Winona Ryder, and, in her prime, Phoebe Cates. That last one almost makes me want to welcome our new Judeo-Asian overlords.
     

    Eva Green

    Ethnicity: Swedish-French-Breton, Sephardi Jewish
     
    http://ethnicelebs.com/eva-green

    Birth Name: Phoebe Belle Cates

    Place of Birth: New York City, New York, U.S.

    Date of Birth: July 16, 1963

    Ethnicity:
    *75% Ashkenazi Jewish
    *25% Chinese
     
    http://ethnicelebs.com/phoebe-cates

    There are also some doubts as to Winona Ryder's ancestry on her mother's side:

    Birth Name: Winona Horowitz

    Place of Birth: Olmsted County, Minnesota, USA

    Date of Birth: October 29, 1971

    Ethnicity:
    *Ashkenazi Jewish (father)
    *possibly Belgian (mother)
     

    Her father is Jewish (his family immigrated from Russia and Romania). Her mother’s maiden name, Istas, is often found in Belgium.
     
    http://ethnicelebs.com/winona-ryder
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  149. @syonredux
    Some of the critical pieces on the film are a tad....revealing....

    I did not expect to cry during “Wonder Woman.”

    Specifically, I did not expect to tear up during the fight scenes. OK, maybe if Gal Gadot’s Diana, Amazon princess, had given some terrific speech, or if a character I liked had died, but I certainly did not expect to get all misty eyed during the battle scenes.

    But that’s exactly what happened; when Wonder Woman started fighting, out came the waterworks.

    It started on the beach, when Gen. Antiope (Robin Wright) rode into battle with a smile and Queen Hippolyta (Connie Nielsen) leaped off her horse, spinning into the air to wipe out two armed men with her sword. As the battle raged on, it became clear that the scene was not window-dressing, 10 seconds of Amazon showtime before the real movie started. This was the movie — female warriors kicking ass.

    They were fierce and powerful, highly trained soldiers who knew what they were doing, and the film took that, and them, seriously. It was overwhelming.
     

    I felt like I was discovering something I didn’t even know I had always wanted. A need that I had boxed up and buried deep after three movies of Iron Man punching bad guys in the face, three more movies of Captain America punching bad guys in the face, a movie about Superman and Batman punching each other in the face and then “Suicide Squad.”

    Witnessing a woman hold the field, and the camera, for that long blew open an arguably monotonous genre. We didn’t need a computer-generated tree or a sassy raccoon to change the superhero game; what we needed was a woman.

     

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-wonder-woman-crying-20170605-htmlstory.html

    And she looks like someone who would write crap like this!

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  150. Anon7 says:

    Although Israeli women are supposedly able to perform pretty much any job in the military, in practice they aren’t in combat. Wikipedia says 600 women have died in wars since 1947, but 20,000 men have been killed, so that doesn’t sound equal to me. There are several army units that are mostly female, but they guard the Egypt/Israel border, with whom they have a treaty (and I think a wall).

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  151. What is “white”? Arabs are in fact classified as Caucasian, and Semites. Are they Caucasian but not white? Jews from the Levant are Semites, and therefore Caucasian, while Jews from the diaspora are one-half European and one-half Semite. Semi-white Semite?

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  152. map says:

    Linda Carter was very voluptuous and her body type would not be able to move like the current Wonder Woman. It also doesn’t help that Carter’s WW had high heels.

    That aside, has anyone noticed that Wonder Woman is Diana, Princess of “The Mascara”?

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    That aside, has anyone noticed that Wonder Woman is Diana, Princess of “The Mascara”?
     
    Themiscyra
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  153. Can we have more Nietzsche stuff?

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  154. Rod1963 says:
    @guest
    Have *you* seen her body? Straight up and down, no T or A to speak of. Not as bad as it could be, because she has some curvature of the hips and her shoulders don't make her look like a linebacker.

    I don't feel good criticizing like this, but so long as people are holding her up as hot, something must be said. Beauty standards are sacred.

    By the way, I'd be happy if she were more masculine, given that she's playing an Amazon. She's too slight for the role. But I guess computers fix that.

    I agree no T or A.

    Nor really hot unless you’re into skinny, frail fashion models.
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  155. Whiskey says: • Website

    Seinfeld in his Comedians in Cars getting Coffee series repeatedly refers to himself as White.

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  156. @Veritatis
    "I dunno … Hedy Lamarr, Lauren Bacall?"

    Elizabeth Taylor? Winona Rider, Natalie Portman? Or Jennifer Aniston, Jessica Parker, Mila Kunis and many others I have no idea of? A lot of TV series would be my guess, plus the characters' names: Hannah, Zach, Zeke, Josh...
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    So what.
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  157. syonredux says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Jennifer Aniston isn't Jewish, though she played a Jewish character on Friends.

    Jennifer Aniston isn’t Jewish, though she played a Jewish character on Friends.

    Yep:

    Place of Birth: Sherman Oaks, Los Angeles, California, United States

    Date of Birth: February 11, 1969

    Ethnicity:
    *Greek (father)
    *Scottish, Italian or Arbëreshë/Albanian, English, possibly Irish (mother)

    http://ethnicelebs.com/jennifer-aniston

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    Her father was (is?) a famous soap opera actor.
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  158. syonredux says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    Winter Soldier was narcoleptically boring, so that's not a good endorsement.

    Winter Soldier was narcoleptically boring, so that’s not a good endorsement.

    I rather enjoyed it.Good action scenes, plus a critique of Obama’s assassination-by-drone foreign policy. I also liked Robert Redford essentially playing a variation on Cliff Robertson’s part in Three Days of the Condor.

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  159. guest says:
    @Veritatis
    "I dunno … Hedy Lamarr, Lauren Bacall?"

    Elizabeth Taylor? Winona Rider, Natalie Portman? Or Jennifer Aniston, Jessica Parker, Mila Kunis and many others I have no idea of? A lot of TV series would be my guess, plus the characters' names: Hannah, Zach, Zeke, Josh...

    Elizabeth Taylor was a convert, for what it’s worth. Plus, all those names you mention are probably better looking than the author, so they don’t count.

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  160. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @syonredux

    Jennifer Aniston isn’t Jewish, though she played a Jewish character on Friends.
     
    Yep:

    Place of Birth: Sherman Oaks, Los Angeles, California, United States

    Date of Birth: February 11, 1969

    Ethnicity:
    *Greek (father)
    *Scottish, Italian or Arbëreshë/Albanian, English, possibly Irish (mother)
     
    http://ethnicelebs.com/jennifer-aniston

    Her father was (is?) a famous soap opera actor.

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  161. Mr. Anon says:

    I remember when this country had a serious and worthy middle-brow culture, before it was all replaced by f**king comic-books.

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  162. @International Jew

    I really don’t know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white
     
    For the record, I'm white. And when the "are we white" topic has come up, I've helpfully (nah, maliciously) suggested we ask a black person his opinion.

    “For the record, I’m white.”
    International Honorary White Jew. Only ‘cos you’re a jolly nice fellow. :)

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    I don't think I like that "compliment". If your idea of "white" means northwest European then I'm not that and don't particularly wish to be. But I don't see that as a sensible definition. You surely don't want to define yourself apart from the ancient Greeks and Romans.
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  163. @fish
    She reminds me a bit of Michelle Jenneke but prettier. Jenneke is cute too but maybe a bit too boyish for most tastes!
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  164. @J.Ross
    Nationality is not an issue. Trust me. Verify it in the archives if you do not trust me (look for the term "Jewfu"). There are people in this world who spend an inordinate amount of time looking at pictures of Jewish and Israeli women and they still do not call Gadot beautiful. Rachel Weisz (nominally not Israeli yet but she serves here for calibration) is gorgeous, Nata-sama Herschlag is beautiful, Moran Atias is beautiful, Shlomit Reger is very pretty. Gadot is never at the top of that ordering, least of all given exclusively Israeli competition.
    (The favorite Jewfu of /pol/ for some time has been the b-list celebrity and ethnic, of all things, Uzbek, Milana Vayntrub. Take a look at her in any position or costume and then tell me about this Gadot person, and then blame it all on Uzbek nationalism.)

    It’s Kat Dennings v. Milana “AT&T&A” Vayntru in a dead heat for the Most Beautiful Jewess in the World…or at least Hollywood (although Vayntrub’s values are apparently hideous…but what do you expect from one of the Parasite People…).

    Speaking of goofy propaganda about Jews and beauty in stupid comic-book movies: The idea that Thor was utterly beguiled by Portman’s Jane whilst Kat Dennings’ character spends the whole movie running around bemoaning her inability to attract men defies all suspension of disbelief, even in a film about superheroes. Although both actresses are Jewesses, so in this case it was clearly a matter of Portman’s greater star-power or whatever (not that Portman is unattractive; she’s just no Kat Dennings…).

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    Kat Dennings
     
    Come to think of it, the first thing I did after seeing Thor (2011) was hit up IMDB.com to identify the sexy high-contrast brunette who played Natalie Portman's quirky friend.

    whilst Kat Dennings’ character spends the whole movie running around bemoaning her inability to attract men defies all suspension of disbelief
     
    IIRC, during said bemoaning, she was practically knocking over set pieces with her cans.
    ***sigh***
    Regardless, that sitcom she's on now is terrible. I have a hard time looking away, but the writing is really, really bad.
    , @guest
    Kat Dennings has an underwhelming to slightly off-putting face for my taste, but I too have been struck by the oddness of her status in Hollywood. Being in the "less attractive friend" role makes some sense, if she's going to be a comedic actress, which I guess she is, and if she doesn't look like a leading lady, which she doesn't. (Notvthat what passes for a leading lady is up to traditional standards of beauty.) But they should at least acknowledge that she's attractive, aside from joking about her oversized boobs.

    Even when she played the romantic lead in one movie, she was stuck circling a definitely un-alpha loser and ended up with an at best middle of the roader. The whole time I'm thinking why aren't more guys hitting on her? You can't pass her off in the Kristen Stewart everygirl role.

    The AT&T&A girl has been miscast, too. You can't tell what kind of body she has in those commercials. I required a dozen viewings before I noticed her rack. Then I saw her in a primetime soap, and she was playing the geeky second-fiddle love interest. Why? At least on Silicon Valley she was a sexpot, though she was part of a weird Satanic church.

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  165. Kylie says:
    @Forbes
    Must be the Magic Dirt in Israel that transmuted her ethnic heritage into MENA, and a person of color.

    “Must be the Magic Dirt in Israel that transmuted her ethnic heritage into MENA, and a person of color.”

    Or a Magic Marker.

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  166. @Altai
    My biggest problem with this film is one of tension. Can Wonder Woman take a bullet or not? In BVSM she got knocked around in a way that would make it seem like she is effectively bullet-proof, but in this film she has to block every shot. Weirdly the German soldiers play along and never try to shoot her anywhere but her gauntlets or shield, or when she pauses in the open for dramatic effect. Granted this is a problem for all these movies, but with only one character to focus on, you'd think they'd get it straight what her limits are.

    Others have pointed out that she does well enough in the comedic scenes and action scenes but doesn't quite have the screen presence to draw you in and make you care about the character. She seems more like a plot device. I think a lot of people wanted Jamie Alexander to be Wonder Woman when this was announced and I think that would have been a good choice, she looks more like the character and is a better actress and is highly charismatic.

    The overall quality and innovativeness of the film (The god of war is inducing the Great War, we have to stop him sabotaging the peace negotiations, but we still get to kill a bunch of German conscripts as if they were Nazis anyway.) kept it going along.

    Jaime Alexander: 5/10. Would not bang.

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  167. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @CAL
    Best description I heard for the film is that it is a mediocre Marvel film. That in itself means (excluding the recent Batman films) it's a step up for DC.

    Oh no, Wonder Woman is played by a white woman just like she has always been played by a white woman. The fanboys are fine with that because it fits the role. Meanwhile the SJW grrrlll power reaction is plain stupid. Madness has gripped a certain portion of the world.

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    Which one do you think is supposed to be the lesbian?
    , @Njguy73
    Then nobody's Wonder Woman.

    To me, The Incredibles is the best superhero movie ever. I say it should have won Best Picture in 2004.
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  168. syonredux says:
    @Marty
    Gadot was born in 1985, the same year in which the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history took her star turn: Rosanna Arquette in Eight Million Ways to Die.

    Gadot was born in 1985, the same year in which the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history took her star turn: Rosanna Arquette in Eight Million Ways to Die.

    Half-Jewish:

    Place of Birth: New York City, New York, United States

    Date of Birth: August 10, 1959

    Ethnicity:
    *English, French-Canadian, Swiss-German, German, Scottish, Irish, Welsh (father)
    *Ashkenazi Jewish (mother)

    Here’s Rosanna’s sister’s ancestry results:

    *48.5% Ashkenazi
    *36.6% British & Irish
    *0.2% French & German
    *0.1% Finnish
    *11.3% Broadly Northern European
    *1.0% Broadly Southern European
    *2.1% Broadly European

    http://ethnicelebs.com/rosanna-arquette

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    And 1/2 the Ashkenazi is Roman, so really she's just 24.25% jewish.
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  169. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Chrisnonymous
    Winter Soldier was narcoleptically boring, so that's not a good endorsement.

    It bored me too.

    Superhero movies are boring in general though, because they can’t die, and many times, neither can their enemies.

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    Superhero movies are boring in general though, because they can’t die,
     
    Neither can James Bond. Or Philip Marlowe. Or Travis McGee.

    and many times, neither can their enemies.
     
    Winter Soldier was a bit of an exception . Redford's character died. And stayed dead.
    , @snorlax
    You can usually bet on the protagonist not dying even in non-franchise films. It's the rare exception (*spoilers* obviously) — Game of Thrones, No Country for Old Men — where they do.
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  170. IHTG says:
    @anony-mouse
    Since we're talking about half-Jews and Lynda Carter:

    https://www.google.com/#q=lynda+carter+daughter

    Read it and weep.

    Lynda Carter’s husband is the CEO of videogame publisher Zenimax (the shell company that owns Bethesda Softworks) and a total sleazeball. But I repeat myself.

    Fun fact: President Trump’s younger brother Robert is on his board of directors.

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  171. syonredux says:
    @advancedatheist
    "the roots of the superhero lie in things like Philip Wylie's Gladiator (the true source for Superman; forget all that crap about Moses), Sherlock Holmes, Tarzan, John Carter, and The Shadow, not in Shtetl folktales."

    Not to mention Doc Savage, who had a hideaway in the far North called the Fortress of Solitude, well before Superman's.

    BTW, I tried to read a Doc Savage story, "The Polar Treasure." Really bad writing, and I can see why it has resisted efforts to revive the franchise. It violated principles of good story-telling by showing Savage the master of every situation, where he could pull arbitrary abilities out of thin air to solve every problem, including knowing how to speak obscure Eskimo dialects.

    BTW, I tried to read a Doc Savage story, “The Polar Treasure.” Really bad writing, and I can see why it has resisted efforts to revive the franchise. It violated principles of good story-telling by showing Savage the master of every situation, where he could pull arbitrary abilities out of thin air to solve every problem, including knowing how to speak obscure Eskimo dialects.

    When I was 10, I went through a pulp hero phase, my interest having been jump-started by reading Philip Jose Farmer’s glorious spoof biographies, Tarzan Alive and Doc Savage: His Apocalyptic Life. Despite enjoying Farmer’s mock bio, I simply could not get into Doc. Even for a 10-year old boy, the writing was simply atrocious. The Shadow was by far my favorite pulp hero. I read all 23 of the Pyramid reprints of the Shadow novels. They also had great cover art by Jim Steranko.

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  172. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Stealth
    I thought it was Courteney Cox's character Monica Geller who was Jewish.

    Apparently, there’s some debate about the kashrut levels of the characters: http://www.vulture.com/2014/12/friends-countdown-is-rachel-green-jewish.html

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    We assume Rachel is Jewish because her name is Rachel Green, she went to school and was friends with the definitely Jewish Gellars growing up, she acts like a Jewish Princess, her father is a doctor, and many other reasons. But I don't think we ever get confirmation.
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  173. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Svigor

    Jennifer Aniston isn’t Jewish, though she played a Jewish character on Friends.
     
    She has a vaguely SE European look that makes that plausible.

    Half Greek.

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  174. syonredux says:
    @guest
    Amazons come from Greek mythology, but that doesn't necessarily make them Greek. Herodotus made them out to be Turkish, as I recall, and others put them in North Africa.

    Herodotus made them out to be Turkish,

    He placed them in Anatolia. No Turks in Anatolia back then.

    as I recall, and others put them in North Africa.

    Libya. Other myths placed them in Ukraine, the Caucasus, Albania, etc.

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    I didn't mean modern ethnic Turks. I just meant in the region that is now Turkey, which means they weren't Greek. (Unless they colonized it.)
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  175. Rifleman says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    Lynda Carter Is Beautiful:

    https://twitter.com/RealLyndaCarter/status/834780320708837377

    Now the important question is – Is Linda Jean Córdova Carter White?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynda_Carter

    Carter was born in Phoenix, Arizona, the daughter of Juanita (née Córdova) and Colby Carter.

    Her father is of English and Scots-Irish ancestry, and her mother, whose family hailed from Mexico, is of Mexican, Spanish and French descent

    Or for that matter what about Catherine Bach from The Dukes of Hazzard.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Bach

    Bach was born in Warren, Ohio, the daughter of Norma Jean Kucera (née Verdugo), an acupuncturist, and Bernard Bachman, a rancher.

    Her mother was of Mexican descent and her father was of German ancestry.

    Or Raquel Welch?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raquel_Welch

    Welch was born as Jo-Raquel Tejada on September 5, 1940 in Chicago, Illinois.

    Her father, Armando Carlos Tejada Urquizo (1911–1976), was an aeronautical engineer from La Paz, Bolivia, born to Agustin Tejada and Raquel Urquizo; Welch was named after her paternal grandmother.

    Her mother, Josephine Sarah (née Hall; 1909–2000), was the daughter of architect Emery Stanford Hall and his wife Clara Louise Adams, and was of English origin, originally of Salford, Lancashire, that dated back to the Mayflower.

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    Since some Mexicans are entirely White-most Spaniards, but a few Poles, Czechs and Germans and a smattering of Mennonites-"Mexican" descent is absolute proof of nothing.

    Bach to me seems entirely white whereas Welch looks a little, but very little mestiza. I'd categorize the (once) very fine singers Linda Ronstadt and Vikki Carr as "light mestizas". I'd be the first to say my eye for these things is not world class, though.
    , @englishmike

    Her mother, Josephine Sarah (née Hall; 1909–2000), was the daughter of architect Emery Stanford Hall and his wife Clara Louise Adams, and was of English origin, originally of Salford, Lancashire, that dated back to the Mayflower.

     

    I'm afraid you rather lost me at the end. Who, or what, "dated back to the Mayflower"?
    , @Gunnar von Cowtown

    Now the important question is – Is Linda Jean Córdova Carter White?
    Or for that matter what about Catherine Bach from The Dukes of Hazzard.
    Or Raquel Welch?
     
    Based on phenotype? Absolutely.
    Based on genotype? White enough.

    All three are cordially invited to reside in any future Hyperborean ethno-state over which I may rule. Just sayin'.
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  176. syonredux says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    It bored me too.

    Superhero movies are boring in general though, because they can't die, and many times, neither can their enemies.

    Superhero movies are boring in general though, because they can’t die,

    Neither can James Bond. Or Philip Marlowe. Or Travis McGee.

    and many times, neither can their enemies.

    Winter Soldier was a bit of an exception . Redford’s character died. And stayed dead.

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    James Bond movies suffer from the same problem, though the old ones dealt with it in campy fashion.

    Why not just make superhero musicals? Spider-Man the musical wasn't bad.
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  177. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Judah Benjamin Hur
    She was awesome, but the show was unbelievably bad. Amazon had a good deal on the DVDs about 12 years ago and I had the misfortune to watch the entire series again after so many years. It was a lot more fun when I was a kid. Ugh.

    I’m not sure it’s fair to call a campy, fun, ’70s TV series bad. It’s going to look dated from today’s vantage, but that’s not the same thing as it being bad.

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  178. syonredux says:
    @map
    Linda Carter was very voluptuous and her body type would not be able to move like the current Wonder Woman. It also doesn't help that Carter's WW had high heels.

    That aside, has anyone noticed that Wonder Woman is Diana, Princess of "The Mascara"?

    That aside, has anyone noticed that Wonder Woman is Diana, Princess of “The Mascara”?

    Themiscyra

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  179. Truth says:
    @Judah Benjamin Hur
    She was awesome, but the show was unbelievably bad. Amazon had a good deal on the DVDs about 12 years ago and I had the misfortune to watch the entire series again after so many years. It was a lot more fun when I was a kid. Ugh.

    the show was unbelievably bad…. I… watch the entire series again…

    Must have been terrible.

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  180. syonredux says:
    @Mikey Darmody
    The Master List of Comely Jewesses really ought to include Melanie Laurent, Bar Rafaeli, Eva Green (despite being a little odd looking), Rachel Riley, Winona Ryder, and, in her prime, Phoebe Cates. That last one almost makes me want to welcome our new Judeo-Asian overlords.

    Eva Green (despite being a little odd looking), Rachel Riley, Winona Ryder, and, in her prime, Phoebe Cates. That last one almost makes me want to welcome our new Judeo-Asian overlords.

    Eva Green

    Ethnicity: Swedish-French-Breton, Sephardi Jewish

    http://ethnicelebs.com/eva-green

    Birth Name: Phoebe Belle Cates

    Place of Birth: New York City, New York, U.S.

    Date of Birth: July 16, 1963

    Ethnicity:
    *75% Ashkenazi Jewish
    *25% Chinese

    http://ethnicelebs.com/phoebe-cates

    There are also some doubts as to Winona Ryder’s ancestry on her mother’s side:

    Birth Name: Winona Horowitz

    Place of Birth: Olmsted County, Minnesota, USA

    Date of Birth: October 29, 1971

    Ethnicity:
    *Ashkenazi Jewish (father)
    *possibly Belgian (mother)

    Her father is Jewish (his family immigrated from Russia and Romania). Her mother’s maiden name, Istas, is often found in Belgium.

    http://ethnicelebs.com/winona-ryder

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  181. syonredux says:
    @justwonderingaboutbaseball
    This.

    None of these are good movies but Thor was more fun as it has a more charismatic lead who can approximate being an actor in a scene (Gadot couldn't even pull off the right mugging expressions) as well as a wonderfully hammy Asgardian pseudo-shakespeare cast&story. It is also half an hour shorter than Wonder Woman.


    Captain American: The First Avenger
    can get away with a lot because, again, Chris Evans has great screen presence and it was well paced and snappy. It also helps that WWII is so well-trodden and mythologized that you can almost ignore how superficial they treat the period or the narrative itself.

    In contrast, Wonder Woman is wounded by how cartoonishly it treats WWI and its story- especially as the plot revolves around the character struggling to sympathize with humans in a war-torn world. All I took away from it was Diana switched capriciously between pitying and being amused by humans and their miseries of war.

    There are a multitude of problems with this film-- including the poor directing -- and it is perplexing what so many people see in this movie.

    None of these are good movies but Thor was more fun as it has a more charismatic lead who can approximate being an actor in a scene (Gadot couldn’t even pull off the right mugging expressions)

    God, yes. Her acting was really bad. She was outshone by Chris Pine in all their scenes together.

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  182. syonredux says:
    @European-American
    > The good critical notices are largely motivated by the desire to be PC.

    That's what I thought, à la Ghostbusters, which was mostly embarrassingly dumb, though it had a lot of talent: onto the outrageous fantasy of the original, you tack on the improbability of misfit women scientists and engineers acting like tough first responders, assisted by a wimpy and stupid but cute Thor -- well, I gave it points for chutzpah anyway!

    So I expected Wonder Woman to be bad, for PC reasons and due to superhero fatigue: Doctor Strange ok, but Deadpool and that other "bad superheroes" film terrible in my book. So I was surprised to find Wonder Woman very, very enjoyable. Gal Gadot is luminous and works well with Chris Pine. Dialogue is sometimes very funny, action scenes are pretty cool (despite implausibility of those amazons as tough warriors at the start). And the message is not as dumb and tedious and childish as other superhero films: war is terrible, humans suck, grand principles fail, but humans are also capable of love and heroism and worth saving. And yes you can be a hot woman and still stand up for yourself and be admired not just for your hotness. Gal Gadot's military and Israeli background may have helped make the movie more realistic: who you gonna believe about war: Gal Gadot or Scarlett Johansson?

    So I was surprised to find Wonder Woman very, very enjoyable.

    Well, As I said upthread, I thought that it was OK. Not terrible (Catwoman , Suicide Squad). Not really good (Dark Knight, Iron Man). Just OK. And I can see how someone might like it more than I did.

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  183. Njguy73 says:
    @Marty
    Gadot was born in 1985, the same year in which the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history took her star turn: Rosanna Arquette in Eight Million Ways to Die.

    the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history took her star turn: Rosanna Arquette

    Rosanna isn’t even the sexiest Arquette sister.

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  184. IHTG says:

    P.S. Maybe this is just me, but – Peggy Lipton.

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    She's on the new Twin Peaks. Looks great for her age.
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  185. Njguy73 says:
    @oddsbodkins
    > ... the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history ...

    That would be Jennifer Connelly, if half-Jewish counts.

    That would be Jennifer Connelly, if half-Jewish counts.

    Three words: The. Hot. Spot. ‘Nuff said.

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  186. TWS says:
    @guest
    She looks like a model, which is to say she's masculine* and not pretty (though I wouldn't say ugly), but she fits the currently accepted standards of beauty foisted upon us by high culture.

    *Square jaw, protruding forehead, bump in nose, high flat cheekbones, big mouth, noticeable lack of daintiness. And that's just the face.

    Sharp knees too. Hideous. No man could hit that.

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  187. “Jewish women were portrayed on film as unattractive”

    Yer, like Eva Green, who has probably done more sex and nudity scenes than any other actress on film and TV. She basically a classically trained adult actress. And Rachel Weiss and Natalie Portman are hardly portrayed as nerdy Jewish wallflowers either.

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  188. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @syonredux

    Superhero movies are boring in general though, because they can’t die,
     
    Neither can James Bond. Or Philip Marlowe. Or Travis McGee.

    and many times, neither can their enemies.
     
    Winter Soldier was a bit of an exception . Redford's character died. And stayed dead.

    James Bond movies suffer from the same problem, though the old ones dealt with it in campy fashion.

    Why not just make superhero musicals? Spider-Man the musical wasn’t bad.

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    James Bond movies suffer from the same problem, though the old ones dealt with it in campy fashion.

     

    You can also add Indiana Jones, Simon Templar, Bulldog Drummond, Tarzan, ....

    Why not just make superhero musicals? Spider-Man the musical wasn’t bad.
     
    I liked the musical number in Captain America: The First Avenger:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i574Em3IrI
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  189. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Hapalong Cassidy
    Both the comic book and Lynda Carter TV show balanced out the feminist nature of the character by including some damsel-in-distress / BDSM-type scenarios. In fact, WW's creator, William Moulton Marsten, was a noted BDSM enthusiast. In her original incarnation, Wonder Woman could be rendered powerless by having her hands bound by a man (!). Needless to say, I'm sure all these aspects have been dropped for this latest film, probably replaced by mindless feminist you-go-grrrl!-ism.

    Interesting. Makes sense.

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  190. guest says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Apparently, there's some debate about the kashrut levels of the characters: http://www.vulture.com/2014/12/friends-countdown-is-rachel-green-jewish.html

    We assume Rachel is Jewish because her name is Rachel Green, she went to school and was friends with the definitely Jewish Gellars growing up, she acts like a Jewish Princess, her father is a doctor, and many other reasons. But I don’t think we ever get confirmation.

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  191. guest says:
    @syonredux

    Herodotus made them out to be Turkish,
     
    He placed them in Anatolia. No Turks in Anatolia back then.

    as I recall, and others put them in North Africa.
     
    Libya. Other myths placed them in Ukraine, the Caucasus, Albania, etc.

    I didn’t mean modern ethnic Turks. I just meant in the region that is now Turkey, which means they weren’t Greek. (Unless they colonized it.)

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    "they weren’t Greek"

    The issue is the ancient Hellenic world not modern Greece. Hellene in English is usually used to mean an ancient Greek. But as far as I know, most of the areas Jews lived in were 'Hellenized' by Alexander or earlier and stayed that way until the Turkic and Arab expansions.

    FWIW modern Greece does not use the word to describe themselves, they use the term Hellenic.

    It is also not clear what ancient peoples actually looked like. Brunette is genetically dominant, but ancient peoples lived in such isolated clusters maybe they had very different looks.
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  192. snorlax says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    It bored me too.

    Superhero movies are boring in general though, because they can't die, and many times, neither can their enemies.

    You can usually bet on the protagonist not dying even in non-franchise films. It’s the rare exception (*spoilers* obviously) — Game of Thrones, No Country for Old Men — where they do.

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  193. TWS says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    She was spectacularly beautiful.

    But one of the conceits of her '70s Wonder Woman was that she was supposed to be plain-looking as an Army secretary.

    She wore glasses. Glasses.

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  194. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @IHTG
    P.S. Maybe this is just me, but - Peggy Lipton.

    She’s on the new Twin Peaks. Looks great for her age.

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    She’s on the new Twin Peaks. Looks great for her age.
     
    Yeah. For a 70-year old woman, she looks fantastic.
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  195. @International Jew

    I really don’t know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white
     
    For the record, I'm white. And when the "are we white" topic has come up, I've helpfully (nah, maliciously) suggested we ask a black person his opinion.

    Are Semites White?

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    Are Semites White?
     
    What makes someone a Semite?
    , @biz
    There's no such thing as a "semite" so it is a pointless question. There are Semitic languages, which are spoken by people ranging from Ethiopia to Malta, but hopefully nobody is blind enough to consider all of those people some one ethnicity.
    , @L Woods
    Traditionally, yes, they are in fact.
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  196. syonredux says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    She's on the new Twin Peaks. Looks great for her age.

    She’s on the new Twin Peaks. Looks great for her age.

    Yeah. For a 70-year old woman, she looks fantastic.

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    Christy Brinkley, looks fabulous for her age (early 60's), simply fabulous. When Kate was 60, she played Eleanor of Aquataine, exactly why? For her time, the historical Eleanor was beautiful, so typecasting clearly, clearly, was in vogue. The real Eleanor of Aquataine wasn't old enough to have been Henry II's mother, per Hepburn and O'Toole.

    Dreadful casting, just dreadful.
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  197. @Jack D
    Gadot is 100% Ashkenazi and not the least bit "Arabish". If she were French or Spanish or Italian (and she could pass for any of them) no one would accuse her of being "Arabish".

    Aren’t Ashkenazis semitic? Like Arabs are?

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    Aren’t Ashkenazis semitic? Like Arabs are?
     
    Are they?

    Here they’re looking at finer details. When they analyze the origins of the European component of Ashkenazi ancestry, they conclude that most is southern – probably Italian, but that smaller amounts originated from (probably) Western Europe and (more certainly) Eastern Europe: and in that temporal order. They conclude that the Italian admixture slightly predated a late medieval founder event. Different methods came up with somewhat different estimates for the total amount of European ancestry: the local ancestry inference (LAI) approach came up with 53% European, while the GLOBETROTTER analysis came up with an estimate of 67% European ancestry (after calibration by simulations). In their best guess, they split the difference and go for 60% European.
     
    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2016/07/20/even-more-on-ashkenazi-ancestry/
    , @Pericles
    It depends.
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  198. @Stan Adams
    Elizabeth Taylor was a convert:
    http://forward.com/culture/136447/a-jew-by-choice-elizabeth-taylor-1932-2011/

    So what.

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    So this article is clearly about ethnic/racial Jews, not English-Americans who suddenly become Jews in their mid-20s.
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  199. syonredux says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    James Bond movies suffer from the same problem, though the old ones dealt with it in campy fashion.

    Why not just make superhero musicals? Spider-Man the musical wasn't bad.

    James Bond movies suffer from the same problem, though the old ones dealt with it in campy fashion.

    You can also add Indiana Jones, Simon Templar, Bulldog Drummond, Tarzan, ….

    Why not just make superhero musicals? Spider-Man the musical wasn’t bad.

    I liked the musical number in Captain America: The First Avenger:

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    Making Captain America a song-and-dance man was a witty touch in that movie. I liked that part too. Actually, that movie wasn't bad, but I lost interest after the first or second sequel. I was struck by the legions in the credits of that first Captain America movie -- probably more people helped make that movie than planned the D-Day invasion.

    It also seems cruel to make Chris Evans walk around at 6% body fat forever (even crueler to make the 48-year-old Hugh Jackman do it). For all the talk about female beauty standards in Hollywood, I bet no actress has a diet and exercise regime as harsh as Hugh Jackman's.
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  200. @syonredux

    Gadot was born in 1985, the same year in which the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history took her star turn: Rosanna Arquette in Eight Million Ways to Die.

     

    Half-Jewish:

    Place of Birth: New York City, New York, United States

    Date of Birth: August 10, 1959

    Ethnicity:
    *English, French-Canadian, Swiss-German, German, Scottish, Irish, Welsh (father)
    *Ashkenazi Jewish (mother)
     
    Here's Rosanna's sister's ancestry results:

    *48.5% Ashkenazi
    *36.6% British & Irish
    *0.2% French & German
    *0.1% Finnish
    *11.3% Broadly Northern European
    *1.0% Broadly Southern European
    *2.1% Broadly European

     

    http://ethnicelebs.com/rosanna-arquette

    And 1/2 the Ashkenazi is Roman, so really she’s just 24.25% jewish.

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    That's just nuts. By that standard, no one is even close to 100% Jewish, so why even ask the question?

    If you're going back 2000 years to the Romans, why don't you just go back another 3000 years or so, in which case Arquette would be 0% Jewish?

    Are there any other ethnic groups you tend to go back 2000 years to determine the ancestry of?
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  201. Trelane says:
    @George
    Hedy Lamarr is a borderline Jew. The others are safe picks.

    http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=617

    Hedy Lamarr was not only beautiful, she was also highly intelligent. She invented a form of radio modulation called “frequency hopping” when she was only 28 years old. This is especially impressive since she had no training (formal or otherwise) in radio engineering and had left school as a teen to pursue an acting career in Berlin. Today, all of our advanced radio techiniques such as cell phones, wifi, satellites and blue tooth use this technology developed by Hedy. Frederick Emmons Terman must have been blown away by this chick. Howard Hughes offered her a job at his aircraft company and I don’t blame him. According to the Internet Hedy Lamarr may have been among the smartest women ever to have lived, right up there with Oprah Winfrey (largest head/brain on record) and Grace Hopper (inventer of computer programming).

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    According to the Internet Hedy Lamarr may have been among the smartest women ever to have lived, right up there with Oprah Winfrey (largest head/brain on record) and Grace Hopper (inventer of computer programming).
     
    FWIW, Grace Hopper (1906-1992) did not invent computer programming. What she did do, was invent the first compiler while at Univac, which is a landmark achievement in computer science. Grace Hopper was also an early champion of the development of programming languages with English-like commands and syntax, an idea that was also brushed off initially, but proved to be deeply powerful.

    The inventor of computer programming (at least conceptually) was Lady Ada Lovelace (1815-1852). She was Byron's daughter.

    Inconceivable thought it might seem, both women were in a different league, intellectually and in terms magnitude of actual accomplishment, than the genius black ladies who operated the puppet rocket scientists running the space program.

    , @Jack D
    Hedy Lamarr invented frequency hopping in the same way that those black lady mathematicians sent us to the moon. She had an idea for how to do it and worked with a guy who actually had some training and what they came up with was to use the mechanism from a player piano - actually 2 of them. Both the transmitter and the receiver would have to be perfectly synched at the beginning and stay in synch for this to work - any drift and they would be tuned to different frequencies and stop talking to each other. Their "invention" led to zero real world products. When real frequency hopping was perfected decades later it was electronic and had nothing to do with their crude mechanical approach.
    , @Anonymous
    While reasonably intelligent, more so than average really, Lamarr did not really "invent" frequency hopping-she along with many others imagined it, and she happened to be the one to file patent papers. Her actual scheme would never have really worked.

    Otherwise perfectly legitimate inventions have had their patents minimized or invalidated based on "prior art" that consisted of passages in science fiction pulp novels, or in at least one case, MAD magazine.
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  202. guest says:
    @Opinionator
    So what.

    So this article is clearly about ethnic/racial Jews, not English-Americans who suddenly become Jews in their mid-20s.

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  203. @Stan Adams
    Portman was awful in the prequels. (Everyone was awful, though, so you can't blame only her.)

    It was depressing to see how bad Fisher looked in the ripoff (the first new one). I haven't seen the newest new film - J.J. has made two so far, right?

    Fisher had an amusing cameo in Scream 3 as someone who looked an awful lot like ... Carrie Fisher.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kdKjQgUVDaI

    To answer my own question: I pay so little attention to Star Wars news that I wasn’t even sure if we were on Movie 8 or Movie 9. I looked it up. The next one (coming out on December 15 of this year) is 8. Movie 7, whatever it’s called, is a ripoff of A New Hope.

    Despite having spent much of my life obsessed with Star Trek, I don’t even know how many Abrams movies there have been. I saw the first two when they came out. I have a vague impression that Beyond is the third one, and that a fourth one – Discovery, is it? – will be coming out in the next few years.

    I saw Into Darkness in the theater and found it so disappointing – a fourth-rate rehash of The Wrath of Khan, only marginally better than the fifth-rate TWoK retread that was Nemesis – that I vowed to boycott all upcoming Abrams flicks. I haven’t seen one of his movies since.

    Of course, I could easily answer all of these questions by doing a Google search, or even by paying a bit more attention to the news, but I don’t want to know. I don’t want to think about the soulless Hollywood machine and its never-ending assembly line of remakes.

    Is there a man alive who has never seen any of the Harry Potter movies, any of the Lord of the Rings movies, or any of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies? Is there anyone in this world who has never seen *any* of them? There’s at least one man who hasn’t – me.

    (Before everyone starts freaking out, let me say that I’m not conflating J.R.R. Tolkien with J.K. Rowling; I’m merely pointing to two enormously-lucrative movie franchises that I know nothing about. I have no interest in fantasy movies.)

    The other day, I was thinking of a movie to watch, and the title that popped into my head was King Vidor’s The Fountainhead (1949). I really dig that movie – and I’m no Randite, believe me. It’s one of the best bad movies ever made. You have a character who tosses a statue out of a window because she doesn’t like humanity and a character who blows up a humanitarian housing project because he doesn’t like the statuary. Vidor’s Code-approved depictions of rape and suicide are simplistic, even laughable, but surprisingly effective. The over-the-top phallic imagery – icy heiress Patricia Neal fantasizes about stone-cold quarry worker (and architect) Gary Cooper’s long, hard drill – is only icing on the cake.

    [MORE]

    There will never be another movie like Vidor’s Fountainhead. Oh, there’ll be another movie with the same name and the same basic plot someday, but it won’t have Cooper’s wooden line deliveries, or Neal’s ridiculously-overwrought facial expressions, or that crazy set design, or that insistent score, or that luscious black-and-white German Expressionist cinematography. (If it’s anything like the low-budget Atlas Shrugged adaptation that came out a few years ago, it’ll be a total borefest.)

    If you know how much I like The Fountainhead, then you might be surprised to learn that at times I like Commando (1985), starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, even more.

    There’ll never be another movie like Commando. Oh, there’ll be another similarly-silly action movie full of cheesy one-liners, but the humor will be a little too self-conscious to give off the same vibe. They’ll probably make all of the villains white. If they do cast a white guy as the heroic lead, he’ll probably be a Brit, and he’ll likely affect a technically-flawless but vaguely-unconvincing American accent. They might cast an Aussie on the villain, but he won’t have a mustache, and he won’t be wearing a ridiculous Freddie Mercury getup, complete with leather pants and a chain-mail vest. But even if they decide to match all of the elements, find an Austrian bodybuilder with a thick-enough accent to play John Matrix, and do a shot-by-shot, word-for-word, R-rated remake, it won’t be as good (meaning bad). The zeitgeist will see to that.

    There aren’t that many shot-by-shot remakes that we can use as examples of the effect of the zeitgeist, but there are a few. Gus Van Sant’s Psycho (1998) is so startlingly different from – and inferior to – the 1960 Hitchcock film that it seems a crime that the two should bear the same name. The many (mostly) identical elements shared by the two films serve only to highlight the deficiencies of the newer movie’s cast and crew, to say nothing of its director.

    One of the most glaring examples is that, in 1960, we don’t hear the sounds of Anthony Perkins abusing himself as he watches Janet Leigh undress through a crack in the wall. In 1998, we hear Vince Vaughn fapping to Anne Heche, and an ostensibly-creepy scene becomes so silly that it fails even as inadvertent comedy.

    Van Sant doesn’t seem to grasp that Norman Bates is an honest-to-God prude who would rather murder the object of his desire than admit his arousal. He wouldn’t dream of touching himself. He’s a Freudian archetype. He and Mother have a warped semi-sexual relationship. When he finds himself aroused by a living, breathing woman, Mother gets jealous and eliminates the competition.

    (Of course, in the 2017 TV series, Norman Bates is a closet case who ends up sleeping with another man. How surprising.)

    In 1960, when the actress playing Mrs. Chambers tells us that Norman found his mother and her lover dead together “in bed,” she whispers the last two words as if they’re some deep, dark secret to which the audience is becoming privy. (At that time, sex was not something that was discussed in polite company, and even a discreet, roundabout mention of it was seen as somewhat scandalous.) This adds to the characterization of a very minor character – it shows us that she’s a gossip. (A certain kind of woman – an older busybody type – has always enjoyed whispering about other people’s dirty little secrets.) In 1998, the actress says the words flatly, and makes no impression at all.

    When we first see the 1960-model Mrs. Bates in all her glory, her hair is combed in such a way that it conceals the fact that she’s a skeleton until the last possible moment. In 1998, we see the bones several seconds before the skull face finishes its slow 360-degree turn toward the camera, spoiling the supposed surprise. And unlike Vera Miles, Julianne Moore can’t scream to save her life.

    Psycho ’98 is so inept that it pales in comparison even next to drek like The Silence of the Hams (1994), a staggeringly-incompetent Naked Gun-type “comedy” that borrows most of its major plot points from Hitchcock’s classic. (The rest are taken from a certain well-known thriller starring Jodie Foster. Incidentally, the main character in Hams is named Jo Dee Fostar. The movie is that bad, and that dumb.)

    I wonder if, two or three decades from now, I’ll find myself listening to a bad-movie lover lamenting the fact that he’s too young to remember the good old days when stuff like [crappy boring remake] was being made.

    “Twenty-seventeen must have been such an interesting time to be alive,” he’ll say. “Why couldn’t I have been born in, say, 1998, so I could have been old enough to enjoy all of that stuff when it was fresh and exciting and new? Why did I have to be born in 2019?”

    “Kid,” I’ll respond in my crusty-old-curmudgeon voice, “that crap was old and tired and laughable at the time it was made. Even then, we were complaining about everything.”

    We’ll see.

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    That drilling scene is scorching! Very suggestive forearms.
    , @Anonymous

    Is there a man alive who has never seen any of the Harry Potter movies, any of the Lord of the Rings movies, or any of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies? Is there anyone in this world who has never seen *any* of them? There’s at least one man who hasn’t – me.
     
    Yes (with the asterisk that I watched about ten minutes of some Harry Potter movie or another while in an emergency room waiting room). Me.
    , @Bob Smith of Suburbia
    'Commando' is an unintentional comedy masterpiece. Literally one of the funniest movies ever made. Also, as it turns out, one of the gayest.

    Google "Ruthless Reviews Commando". Some funny shit.
    , @Kylie
    "Is there a man alive who has never seen any of the Harry Potter movies, any of the Lord of the Rings movies, or any of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies? Is there anyone in this world who has never seen *any* of them? There’s at least one man who hasn’t – me."
    And at least one woman--me.
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  204. syonredux says:
    @Opinionator
    Are Semites White?

    Are Semites White?

    What makes someone a Semite?

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    "What makes someone a Semite", you ask?

    A: A mommy Semite and a daddy Semite. In fact, it's Semites all the way down.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    What makes someone a Semite?

     

    The nose.
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  205. syonredux says:
    @Opinionator
    Aren't Ashkenazis semitic? Like Arabs are?

    Aren’t Ashkenazis semitic? Like Arabs are?

    Are they?

    Here they’re looking at finer details. When they analyze the origins of the European component of Ashkenazi ancestry, they conclude that most is southern – probably Italian, but that smaller amounts originated from (probably) Western Europe and (more certainly) Eastern Europe: and in that temporal order. They conclude that the Italian admixture slightly predated a late medieval founder event. Different methods came up with somewhat different estimates for the total amount of European ancestry: the local ancestry inference (LAI) approach came up with 53% European, while the GLOBETROTTER analysis came up with an estimate of 67% European ancestry (after calibration by simulations). In their best guess, they split the difference and go for 60% European.

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2016/07/20/even-more-on-ashkenazi-ancestry/

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    So Ashkenazis are 40% non-European? I would call that a significant amount of foreign DNA.
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  206. guest says:
    @Stan Adams
    To answer my own question: I pay so little attention to Star Wars news that I wasn't even sure if we were on Movie 8 or Movie 9. I looked it up. The next one (coming out on December 15 of this year) is 8. Movie 7, whatever it's called, is a ripoff of A New Hope.

    Despite having spent much of my life obsessed with Star Trek, I don't even know how many Abrams movies there have been. I saw the first two when they came out. I have a vague impression that Beyond is the third one, and that a fourth one - Discovery, is it? - will be coming out in the next few years.

    I saw Into Darkness in the theater and found it so disappointing - a fourth-rate rehash of The Wrath of Khan, only marginally better than the fifth-rate TWoK retread that was Nemesis - that I vowed to boycott all upcoming Abrams flicks. I haven't seen one of his movies since.

    Of course, I could easily answer all of these questions by doing a Google search, or even by paying a bit more attention to the news, but I don't want to know. I don't want to think about the soulless Hollywood machine and its never-ending assembly line of remakes.

    Is there a man alive who has never seen any of the Harry Potter movies, any of the Lord of the Rings movies, or any of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies? Is there anyone in this world who has never seen *any* of them? There's at least one man who hasn't - me.

    (Before everyone starts freaking out, let me say that I'm not conflating J.R.R. Tolkien with J.K. Rowling; I'm merely pointing to two enormously-lucrative movie franchises that I know nothing about. I have no interest in fantasy movies.)

    The other day, I was thinking of a movie to watch, and the title that popped into my head was King Vidor's The Fountainhead (1949). I really dig that movie - and I'm no Randite, believe me. It's one of the best bad movies ever made. You have a character who tosses a statue out of a window because she doesn't like humanity and a character who blows up a humanitarian housing project because he doesn't like the statuary. Vidor's Code-approved depictions of rape and suicide are simplistic, even laughable, but surprisingly effective. The over-the-top phallic imagery - icy heiress Patricia Neal fantasizes about stone-cold quarry worker (and architect) Gary Cooper's long, hard drill - is only icing on the cake.



    There will never be another movie like Vidor's Fountainhead. Oh, there'll be another movie with the same name and the same basic plot someday, but it won't have Cooper's wooden line deliveries, or Neal's ridiculously-overwrought facial expressions, or that crazy set design, or that insistent score, or that luscious black-and-white German Expressionist cinematography. (If it's anything like the low-budget Atlas Shrugged adaptation that came out a few years ago, it'll be a total borefest.)

    If you know how much I like The Fountainhead, then you might be surprised to learn that at times I like Commando (1985), starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, even more.

    There'll never be another movie like Commando. Oh, there'll be another similarly-silly action movie full of cheesy one-liners, but the humor will be a little too self-conscious to give off the same vibe. They'll probably make all of the villains white. If they do cast a white guy as the heroic lead, he'll probably be a Brit, and he'll likely affect a technically-flawless but vaguely-unconvincing American accent. They might cast an Aussie on the villain, but he won't have a mustache, and he won't be wearing a ridiculous Freddie Mercury getup, complete with leather pants and a chain-mail vest. But even if they decide to match all of the elements, find an Austrian bodybuilder with a thick-enough accent to play John Matrix, and do a shot-by-shot, word-for-word, R-rated remake, it won't be as good (meaning bad). The zeitgeist will see to that.

    There aren't that many shot-by-shot remakes that we can use as examples of the effect of the zeitgeist, but there are a few. Gus Van Sant's Psycho (1998) is so startlingly different from - and inferior to - the 1960 Hitchcock film that it seems a crime that the two should bear the same name. The many (mostly) identical elements shared by the two films serve only to highlight the deficiencies of the newer movie's cast and crew, to say nothing of its director.

    One of the most glaring examples is that, in 1960, we don't hear the sounds of Anthony Perkins abusing himself as he watches Janet Leigh undress through a crack in the wall. In 1998, we hear Vince Vaughn fapping to Anne Heche, and an ostensibly-creepy scene becomes so silly that it fails even as inadvertent comedy.

    Van Sant doesn't seem to grasp that Norman Bates is an honest-to-God prude who would rather murder the object of his desire than admit his arousal. He wouldn't dream of touching himself. He's a Freudian archetype. He and Mother have a warped semi-sexual relationship. When he finds himself aroused by a living, breathing woman, Mother gets jealous and eliminates the competition.

    (Of course, in the 2017 TV series, Norman Bates is a closet case who ends up sleeping with another man. How surprising.)

    In 1960, when the actress playing Mrs. Chambers tells us that Norman found his mother and her lover dead together "in bed," she whispers the last two words as if they're some deep, dark secret to which the audience is becoming privy. (At that time, sex was not something that was discussed in polite company, and even a discreet, roundabout mention of it was seen as somewhat scandalous.) This adds to the characterization of a very minor character - it shows us that she's a gossip. (A certain kind of woman - an older busybody type - has always enjoyed whispering about other people's dirty little secrets.) In 1998, the actress says the words flatly, and makes no impression at all.

    When we first see the 1960-model Mrs. Bates in all her glory, her hair is combed in such a way that it conceals the fact that she's a skeleton until the last possible moment. In 1998, we see the bones several seconds before the skull face finishes its slow 360-degree turn toward the camera, spoiling the supposed surprise. And unlike Vera Miles, Julianne Moore can't scream to save her life.

    Psycho '98 is so inept that it pales in comparison even next to drek like The Silence of the Hams (1994), a staggeringly-incompetent Naked Gun-type "comedy" that borrows most of its major plot points from Hitchcock's classic. (The rest are taken from a certain well-known thriller starring Jodie Foster. Incidentally, the main character in Hams is named Jo Dee Fostar. The movie is that bad, and that dumb.)

    I wonder if, two or three decades from now, I'll find myself listening to a bad-movie lover lamenting the fact that he's too young to remember the good old days when stuff like [crappy boring remake] was being made.

    "Twenty-seventeen must have been such an interesting time to be alive," he'll say. "Why couldn't I have been born in, say, 1998, so I could have been old enough to enjoy all of that stuff when it was fresh and exciting and new? Why did I have to be born in 2019?"

    "Kid," I'll respond in my crusty-old-curmudgeon voice, "that crap was old and tired and laughable at the time it was made. Even then, we were complaining about everything."

    We'll see.

    That drilling scene is scorching! Very suggestive forearms.

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  207. jim jones says:

    She has a big nose but I don`t hold that against her:

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  208. Bar Refaeli rates a three on my finger scale* – Gal Gadot a mere one.
    * See “The Last Boy Scout”.

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  209. Karl says:
    @J.Ross
    Two items.

    To Steve's point, back when Al Franken first ran against Norm Coleman for the Senate seat representing Minnesota, which had been made famous by the late lamented Paul Wellstone, a Jewish blog (which no longer exists) plaintively wondered whether those dumb flyover rednecks in Saskatcheconsin or whatever it's called could bring themselves to Elect whom God had Chosen. Some impolite wag asked how the blogger could type such a thing given that all of the people involved, elected, defeated, or assassinated, were obviously Jewish. A few hours last that blog post was removed without explanation. But Jews reflexively take for granted that they are universally and irrationally hated, no matter how many times they are elected.
    "Oh sure, I see how it is -- all of you want me to move to DC!"

    Second point, the creepy one: Is the anorexic mousy Arabish Gadot a refutation to my creepy Law that "phenotypically Jewish girls are gorgeous, but nobody hates them worse than Hollywood or Israeli public relations?" Gadot has something of a history in Israeli public relations, and her perfectly balanced pleasant-mousiness is definitely a plus in attracting, or not offending, female audiences: would these same "body positive" audiences embrace a modern day young Lynda Carter? Maybe this is a refutation of the Law, but it does not mean that we have the true total freedom of casting, which we will possibly see in our lifetimes once Hollywood finally dies.

    11 J Ross > the anorexic mousy Arabish Gadot

    From the Hebrew-wikipedia page about her: Her sabra parents had an original name of Greenshtein. Pops was an engineer and ima was a public-school teacher. Gal herself was allowed to defer her conscription-mobilization to age 20 because she had a job (a few paying gigs) as a model (such a deferment is not ridiculously difficult to get with some plausible story, especially if your pops knows somebody).

    She was NOT an officer; she only did the (female) required basic 2 years, serving as a physical-training assistant. Gal probably spun tales of being Army Superwoman to these very gullible Hollywood Jews. But the ==actual== job of a “madasnikit” is to babysit low-medical-profile guys through the remedial physical-fitness course to be able to be shoved into a lower-tier infantry unit, ones that accept non-elite guys.

    A madasnikit is not any kind of elite duty, my friends.

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  210. @Trelane
    Hedy Lamarr was not only beautiful, she was also highly intelligent. She invented a form of radio modulation called "frequency hopping" when she was only 28 years old. This is especially impressive since she had no training (formal or otherwise) in radio engineering and had left school as a teen to pursue an acting career in Berlin. Today, all of our advanced radio techiniques such as cell phones, wifi, satellites and blue tooth use this technology developed by Hedy. Frederick Emmons Terman must have been blown away by this chick. Howard Hughes offered her a job at his aircraft company and I don't blame him. According to the Internet Hedy Lamarr may have been among the smartest women ever to have lived, right up there with Oprah Winfrey (largest head/brain on record) and Grace Hopper (inventer of computer programming).

    According to the Internet Hedy Lamarr may have been among the smartest women ever to have lived, right up there with Oprah Winfrey (largest head/brain on record) and Grace Hopper (inventer of computer programming).

    FWIW, Grace Hopper (1906-1992) did not invent computer programming. What she did do, was invent the first compiler while at Univac, which is a landmark achievement in computer science. Grace Hopper was also an early champion of the development of programming languages with English-like commands and syntax, an idea that was also brushed off initially, but proved to be deeply powerful.

    The inventor of computer programming (at least conceptually) was Lady Ada Lovelace (1815-1852). She was Byron’s daughter.

    Inconceivable thought it might seem, both women were in a different league, intellectually and in terms magnitude of actual accomplishment, than the genius black ladies who operated the puppet rocket scientists running the space program.

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    Ah, but the real question regarding Lovelace and Hopper is, were either of these ladies outwardly beautiful? One truism tends to hold that the smarter the woman, the uglier they tend to be (e.g. Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice, Mary, the frumpy semi-ugly duckling of the five Bennett sisters, knowing she can't compete with her far fairer sisters, decides to concentrate on her smarts and thus possible land a husband).

    Remember, keep the focus on the original point of the article, and that is, could these real life geniuses play Wonder Woman from a physical standpoint?

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  211. fish says:
    @oddsbodkins
    > ... the sexiest Jewish woman in screen history ...

    That would be Jennifer Connelly, if half-Jewish counts.

    That would be Jennifer Connelly, if half-Jewish counts.

    Back in “Mulholland Falls” days when she still had her baby fat! She got a little ropey when she thinned out!

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  212. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Veritatis
    "I dunno … Hedy Lamarr, Lauren Bacall?"

    Elizabeth Taylor? Winona Rider, Natalie Portman? Or Jennifer Aniston, Jessica Parker, Mila Kunis and many others I have no idea of? A lot of TV series would be my guess, plus the characters' names: Hannah, Zach, Zeke, Josh...

    A heaping helping of Jewesses are actresses, some of them quite pretty even to my jaundiced eye.

    Liz and MM converted, although the latter’s conversion was a sort of hoax foisted on her by Arthur Miller who found “a very humanistic rabbi” to instruct her. Somewhere between Lucy’s being taught goofy golf and Sinatra’s bogus investiture in the Knights of Malta.

    Nothing in Jennifer Aniston’s Wikipedia page indicates any connection to Judaism or Jewish descent:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Aniston

    I would be very surprised if Emirates Airlines would hire a Jewish spokeswoman, besides.

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  213. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Stan Adams
    To answer my own question: I pay so little attention to Star Wars news that I wasn't even sure if we were on Movie 8 or Movie 9. I looked it up. The next one (coming out on December 15 of this year) is 8. Movie 7, whatever it's called, is a ripoff of A New Hope.

    Despite having spent much of my life obsessed with Star Trek, I don't even know how many Abrams movies there have been. I saw the first two when they came out. I have a vague impression that Beyond is the third one, and that a fourth one - Discovery, is it? - will be coming out in the next few years.

    I saw Into Darkness in the theater and found it so disappointing - a fourth-rate rehash of The Wrath of Khan, only marginally better than the fifth-rate TWoK retread that was Nemesis - that I vowed to boycott all upcoming Abrams flicks. I haven't seen one of his movies since.

    Of course, I could easily answer all of these questions by doing a Google search, or even by paying a bit more attention to the news, but I don't want to know. I don't want to think about the soulless Hollywood machine and its never-ending assembly line of remakes.

    Is there a man alive who has never seen any of the Harry Potter movies, any of the Lord of the Rings movies, or any of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies? Is there anyone in this world who has never seen *any* of them? There's at least one man who hasn't - me.

    (Before everyone starts freaking out, let me say that I'm not conflating J.R.R. Tolkien with J.K. Rowling; I'm merely pointing to two enormously-lucrative movie franchises that I know nothing about. I have no interest in fantasy movies.)

    The other day, I was thinking of a movie to watch, and the title that popped into my head was King Vidor's The Fountainhead (1949). I really dig that movie - and I'm no Randite, believe me. It's one of the best bad movies ever made. You have a character who tosses a statue out of a window because she doesn't like humanity and a character who blows up a humanitarian housing project because he doesn't like the statuary. Vidor's Code-approved depictions of rape and suicide are simplistic, even laughable, but surprisingly effective. The over-the-top phallic imagery - icy heiress Patricia Neal fantasizes about stone-cold quarry worker (and architect) Gary Cooper's long, hard drill - is only icing on the cake.



    There will never be another movie like Vidor's Fountainhead. Oh, there'll be another movie with the same name and the same basic plot someday, but it won't have Cooper's wooden line deliveries, or Neal's ridiculously-overwrought facial expressions, or that crazy set design, or that insistent score, or that luscious black-and-white German Expressionist cinematography. (If it's anything like the low-budget Atlas Shrugged adaptation that came out a few years ago, it'll be a total borefest.)

    If you know how much I like The Fountainhead, then you might be surprised to learn that at times I like Commando (1985), starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, even more.

    There'll never be another movie like Commando. Oh, there'll be another similarly-silly action movie full of cheesy one-liners, but the humor will be a little too self-conscious to give off the same vibe. They'll probably make all of the villains white. If they do cast a white guy as the heroic lead, he'll probably be a Brit, and he'll likely affect a technically-flawless but vaguely-unconvincing American accent. They might cast an Aussie on the villain, but he won't have a mustache, and he won't be wearing a ridiculous Freddie Mercury getup, complete with leather pants and a chain-mail vest. But even if they decide to match all of the elements, find an Austrian bodybuilder with a thick-enough accent to play John Matrix, and do a shot-by-shot, word-for-word, R-rated remake, it won't be as good (meaning bad). The zeitgeist will see to that.

    There aren't that many shot-by-shot remakes that we can use as examples of the effect of the zeitgeist, but there are a few. Gus Van Sant's Psycho (1998) is so startlingly different from - and inferior to - the 1960 Hitchcock film that it seems a crime that the two should bear the same name. The many (mostly) identical elements shared by the two films serve only to highlight the deficiencies of the newer movie's cast and crew, to say nothing of its director.

    One of the most glaring examples is that, in 1960, we don't hear the sounds of Anthony Perkins abusing himself as he watches Janet Leigh undress through a crack in the wall. In 1998, we hear Vince Vaughn fapping to Anne Heche, and an ostensibly-creepy scene becomes so silly that it fails even as inadvertent comedy.

    Van Sant doesn't seem to grasp that Norman Bates is an honest-to-God prude who would rather murder the object of his desire than admit his arousal. He wouldn't dream of touching himself. He's a Freudian archetype. He and Mother have a warped semi-sexual relationship. When he finds himself aroused by a living, breathing woman, Mother gets jealous and eliminates the competition.

    (Of course, in the 2017 TV series, Norman Bates is a closet case who ends up sleeping with another man. How surprising.)

    In 1960, when the actress playing Mrs. Chambers tells us that Norman found his mother and her lover dead together "in bed," she whispers the last two words as if they're some deep, dark secret to which the audience is becoming privy. (At that time, sex was not something that was discussed in polite company, and even a discreet, roundabout mention of it was seen as somewhat scandalous.) This adds to the characterization of a very minor character - it shows us that she's a gossip. (A certain kind of woman - an older busybody type - has always enjoyed whispering about other people's dirty little secrets.) In 1998, the actress says the words flatly, and makes no impression at all.

    When we first see the 1960-model Mrs. Bates in all her glory, her hair is combed in such a way that it conceals the fact that she's a skeleton until the last possible moment. In 1998, we see the bones several seconds before the skull face finishes its slow 360-degree turn toward the camera, spoiling the supposed surprise. And unlike Vera Miles, Julianne Moore can't scream to save her life.

    Psycho '98 is so inept that it pales in comparison even next to drek like The Silence of the Hams (1994), a staggeringly-incompetent Naked Gun-type "comedy" that borrows most of its major plot points from Hitchcock's classic. (The rest are taken from a certain well-known thriller starring Jodie Foster. Incidentally, the main character in Hams is named Jo Dee Fostar. The movie is that bad, and that dumb.)

    I wonder if, two or three decades from now, I'll find myself listening to a bad-movie lover lamenting the fact that he's too young to remember the good old days when stuff like [crappy boring remake] was being made.

    "Twenty-seventeen must have been such an interesting time to be alive," he'll say. "Why couldn't I have been born in, say, 1998, so I could have been old enough to enjoy all of that stuff when it was fresh and exciting and new? Why did I have to be born in 2019?"

    "Kid," I'll respond in my crusty-old-curmudgeon voice, "that crap was old and tired and laughable at the time it was made. Even then, we were complaining about everything."

    We'll see.

    Is there a man alive who has never seen any of the Harry Potter movies, any of the Lord of the Rings movies, or any of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies? Is there anyone in this world who has never seen *any* of them? There’s at least one man who hasn’t – me.

    Yes (with the asterisk that I watched about ten minutes of some Harry Potter movie or another while in an emergency room waiting room). Me.

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  214. Karl says:
    @Jake
    Perhaps my two favorite American Jews of all time: Judah P. Benjamin and David Levy Yulee. If America had a couple dozen like them today, we'd be much better off.

    France, Britain and Germany also are in dire need of a couple dozen Jews like them.

    77 Jake > my two favorite American Jews of all time

    can I get you to make it three? Commodore Levy was the guy who abolished corporal punishment in the US Navy

    There’s a US Navy synagogue named for him onboard Norfolk Navy Base. It’s upstairs from the Christian chapel. Free wine and egg-bread every Friday night if you don’t mind looking at some non-Flag-Officer-staff quality of Navy girls.

    When I was there a very long time ago, the Muslims did not have their own room. Bet that has changed.

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  215. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Rifleman
    Now the important question is - Is Linda Jean Córdova Carter White?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynda_Carter

    Carter was born in Phoenix, Arizona, the daughter of Juanita (née Córdova) and Colby Carter.

    Her father is of English and Scots-Irish ancestry, and her mother, whose family hailed from Mexico, is of Mexican, Spanish and French descent

    Or for that matter what about Catherine Bach from The Dukes of Hazzard.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Bach

    Bach was born in Warren, Ohio, the daughter of Norma Jean Kucera (née Verdugo), an acupuncturist, and Bernard Bachman, a rancher.

    Her mother was of Mexican descent and her father was of German ancestry.

    Or Raquel Welch?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raquel_Welch

    Welch was born as Jo-Raquel Tejada on September 5, 1940 in Chicago, Illinois.

    Her father, Armando Carlos Tejada Urquizo (1911–1976), was an aeronautical engineer from La Paz, Bolivia, born to Agustin Tejada and Raquel Urquizo; Welch was named after her paternal grandmother.

    Her mother, Josephine Sarah (née Hall; 1909–2000), was the daughter of architect Emery Stanford Hall and his wife Clara Louise Adams, and was of English origin, originally of Salford, Lancashire, that dated back to the Mayflower.

    Since some Mexicans are entirely White-most Spaniards, but a few Poles, Czechs and Germans and a smattering of Mennonites-”Mexican” descent is absolute proof of nothing.

    Bach to me seems entirely white whereas Welch looks a little, but very little mestiza. I’d categorize the (once) very fine singers Linda Ronstadt and Vikki Carr as “light mestizas”. I’d be the first to say my eye for these things is not world class, though.

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    Bach to me seems entirely white whereas Welch looks a little, but very little mestiza.
     
    Nah. To my eye, she looks like a mix of Northern and Southern European.
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  216. @European-American
    > The good critical notices are largely motivated by the desire to be PC.

    That's what I thought, à la Ghostbusters, which was mostly embarrassingly dumb, though it had a lot of talent: onto the outrageous fantasy of the original, you tack on the improbability of misfit women scientists and engineers acting like tough first responders, assisted by a wimpy and stupid but cute Thor -- well, I gave it points for chutzpah anyway!

    So I expected Wonder Woman to be bad, for PC reasons and due to superhero fatigue: Doctor Strange ok, but Deadpool and that other "bad superheroes" film terrible in my book. So I was surprised to find Wonder Woman very, very enjoyable. Gal Gadot is luminous and works well with Chris Pine. Dialogue is sometimes very funny, action scenes are pretty cool (despite implausibility of those amazons as tough warriors at the start). And the message is not as dumb and tedious and childish as other superhero films: war is terrible, humans suck, grand principles fail, but humans are also capable of love and heroism and worth saving. And yes you can be a hot woman and still stand up for yourself and be admired not just for your hotness. Gal Gadot's military and Israeli background may have helped make the movie more realistic: who you gonna believe about war: Gal Gadot or Scarlett Johansson?

    To heck with all that, all I want to know is, How many of them eee-vil Naht-zees did she kill?

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  217. Danindc says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    Who her? No, she’s ugly.

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  218. @Stan Adams
    To answer my own question: I pay so little attention to Star Wars news that I wasn't even sure if we were on Movie 8 or Movie 9. I looked it up. The next one (coming out on December 15 of this year) is 8. Movie 7, whatever it's called, is a ripoff of A New Hope.

    Despite having spent much of my life obsessed with Star Trek, I don't even know how many Abrams movies there have been. I saw the first two when they came out. I have a vague impression that Beyond is the third one, and that a fourth one - Discovery, is it? - will be coming out in the next few years.

    I saw Into Darkness in the theater and found it so disappointing - a fourth-rate rehash of The Wrath of Khan, only marginally better than the fifth-rate TWoK retread that was Nemesis - that I vowed to boycott all upcoming Abrams flicks. I haven't seen one of his movies since.

    Of course, I could easily answer all of these questions by doing a Google search, or even by paying a bit more attention to the news, but I don't want to know. I don't want to think about the soulless Hollywood machine and its never-ending assembly line of remakes.

    Is there a man alive who has never seen any of the Harry Potter movies, any of the Lord of the Rings movies, or any of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies? Is there anyone in this world who has never seen *any* of them? There's at least one man who hasn't - me.

    (Before everyone starts freaking out, let me say that I'm not conflating J.R.R. Tolkien with J.K. Rowling; I'm merely pointing to two enormously-lucrative movie franchises that I know nothing about. I have no interest in fantasy movies.)

    The other day, I was thinking of a movie to watch, and the title that popped into my head was King Vidor's The Fountainhead (1949). I really dig that movie - and I'm no Randite, believe me. It's one of the best bad movies ever made. You have a character who tosses a statue out of a window because she doesn't like humanity and a character who blows up a humanitarian housing project because he doesn't like the statuary. Vidor's Code-approved depictions of rape and suicide are simplistic, even laughable, but surprisingly effective. The over-the-top phallic imagery - icy heiress Patricia Neal fantasizes about stone-cold quarry worker (and architect) Gary Cooper's long, hard drill - is only icing on the cake.



    There will never be another movie like Vidor's Fountainhead. Oh, there'll be another movie with the same name and the same basic plot someday, but it won't have Cooper's wooden line deliveries, or Neal's ridiculously-overwrought facial expressions, or that crazy set design, or that insistent score, or that luscious black-and-white German Expressionist cinematography. (If it's anything like the low-budget Atlas Shrugged adaptation that came out a few years ago, it'll be a total borefest.)

    If you know how much I like The Fountainhead, then you might be surprised to learn that at times I like Commando (1985), starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, even more.

    There'll never be another movie like Commando. Oh, there'll be another similarly-silly action movie full of cheesy one-liners, but the humor will be a little too self-conscious to give off the same vibe. They'll probably make all of the villains white. If they do cast a white guy as the heroic lead, he'll probably be a Brit, and he'll likely affect a technically-flawless but vaguely-unconvincing American accent. They might cast an Aussie on the villain, but he won't have a mustache, and he won't be wearing a ridiculous Freddie Mercury getup, complete with leather pants and a chain-mail vest. But even if they decide to match all of the elements, find an Austrian bodybuilder with a thick-enough accent to play John Matrix, and do a shot-by-shot, word-for-word, R-rated remake, it won't be as good (meaning bad). The zeitgeist will see to that.

    There aren't that many shot-by-shot remakes that we can use as examples of the effect of the zeitgeist, but there are a few. Gus Van Sant's Psycho (1998) is so startlingly different from - and inferior to - the 1960 Hitchcock film that it seems a crime that the two should bear the same name. The many (mostly) identical elements shared by the two films serve only to highlight the deficiencies of the newer movie's cast and crew, to say nothing of its director.

    One of the most glaring examples is that, in 1960, we don't hear the sounds of Anthony Perkins abusing himself as he watches Janet Leigh undress through a crack in the wall. In 1998, we hear Vince Vaughn fapping to Anne Heche, and an ostensibly-creepy scene becomes so silly that it fails even as inadvertent comedy.

    Van Sant doesn't seem to grasp that Norman Bates is an honest-to-God prude who would rather murder the object of his desire than admit his arousal. He wouldn't dream of touching himself. He's a Freudian archetype. He and Mother have a warped semi-sexual relationship. When he finds himself aroused by a living, breathing woman, Mother gets jealous and eliminates the competition.

    (Of course, in the 2017 TV series, Norman Bates is a closet case who ends up sleeping with another man. How surprising.)

    In 1960, when the actress playing Mrs. Chambers tells us that Norman found his mother and her lover dead together "in bed," she whispers the last two words as if they're some deep, dark secret to which the audience is becoming privy. (At that time, sex was not something that was discussed in polite company, and even a discreet, roundabout mention of it was seen as somewhat scandalous.) This adds to the characterization of a very minor character - it shows us that she's a gossip. (A certain kind of woman - an older busybody type - has always enjoyed whispering about other people's dirty little secrets.) In 1998, the actress says the words flatly, and makes no impression at all.

    When we first see the 1960-model Mrs. Bates in all her glory, her hair is combed in such a way that it conceals the fact that she's a skeleton until the last possible moment. In 1998, we see the bones several seconds before the skull face finishes its slow 360-degree turn toward the camera, spoiling the supposed surprise. And unlike Vera Miles, Julianne Moore can't scream to save her life.

    Psycho '98 is so inept that it pales in comparison even next to drek like The Silence of the Hams (1994), a staggeringly-incompetent Naked Gun-type "comedy" that borrows most of its major plot points from Hitchcock's classic. (The rest are taken from a certain well-known thriller starring Jodie Foster. Incidentally, the main character in Hams is named Jo Dee Fostar. The movie is that bad, and that dumb.)

    I wonder if, two or three decades from now, I'll find myself listening to a bad-movie lover lamenting the fact that he's too young to remember the good old days when stuff like [crappy boring remake] was being made.

    "Twenty-seventeen must have been such an interesting time to be alive," he'll say. "Why couldn't I have been born in, say, 1998, so I could have been old enough to enjoy all of that stuff when it was fresh and exciting and new? Why did I have to be born in 2019?"

    "Kid," I'll respond in my crusty-old-curmudgeon voice, "that crap was old and tired and laughable at the time it was made. Even then, we were complaining about everything."

    We'll see.

    ‘Commando’ is an unintentional comedy masterpiece. Literally one of the funniest movies ever made. Also, as it turns out, one of the gayest.

    Google “Ruthless Reviews Commando”. Some funny shit.

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  219. @Dave Pinsen
    If you think the "where are the Jews onscreen?" take is dumb, consider that this Wonder Woman movie already spawned a debate about whether Wonder Woman should shave her underarms.

    https://twitter.com/WomenintheWorld/status/845266457525039104

    How much of this is merely retroactively justifying their own laziness/lack of beauty?

    “Don’t shave your armpits”, “Don’t shame fat girls”, ” Etc.

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  220. @Dave Pinsen
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/872564206545096704

    Which one do you think is supposed to be the lesbian?

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  221. @Hapalong Cassidy
    Both the comic book and Lynda Carter TV show balanced out the feminist nature of the character by including some damsel-in-distress / BDSM-type scenarios. In fact, WW's creator, William Moulton Marsten, was a noted BDSM enthusiast. In her original incarnation, Wonder Woman could be rendered powerless by having her hands bound by a man (!). Needless to say, I'm sure all these aspects have been dropped for this latest film, probably replaced by mindless feminist you-go-grrrl!-ism.

    > probably replaced by mindless feminist you-go-grrrl!-ism

    More like harmless, humorous, and old-fashioned pro-woman jabs like this one:

    Etta Candy: I’m Steve Trevor’s secretary.
    Diana Prince: What is a secretary?
    Etta Candy: I go where he tells me to go, I do what he tells me to do.
    Diana Prince: Where we come from, that’s called slavery.
    Etta Candy: I like her!

    Anyone who has been or who knows a secretary will at least giggle at that one.

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  222. TheJester says:

    Why do the White female heroines of the “girls kick ass” movies typically have long hair, large breasts, wide hips, and a wide space between their legs? In other words, they are “hot” … very “hot”. They are a metaphor for all things feminine that can beat all things masculine at its own game.

    We all know that the Wondrous Women of movie and comic book fame are counter-factual fantasies. Yet, young women today dig them. They are fantasies of being something physically and emotionally other than what they are in Nature’s binary universe. They are a form of self-hate. It would be like males reveling in fantasies of keeping house and nursing babies in the nursery.

    White males are getting the message. Data from dating sites show that White males are increasingly interested in Hispanic and Asian women. The PEW Foundation reports that marriage rates among Whites are at historic lows. It attributes this to relatively low economic opportunities for Millennials, with a negative impact on family formation. False! That did not stop the Baby Boomers from marrying when they had little or nothing. Two married and living together can live more cheaply than maintaining two separate households.

    Today’s young White males should copy Trump and engage in extreme vetting before marrying someone who might turn to be a rapid feminist fantasizing and/or calculating ways to “kiss ass” among the males in her life.

    The “Wonder Woman” fantasies are yet more evidence of a sick, anti-natalist culture racing to the precipice like lemmings bent on self-destruction.

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  223. biz says:
    @Opinionator
    Are Semites White?

    There’s no such thing as a “semite” so it is a pointless question. There are Semitic languages, which are spoken by people ranging from Ethiopia to Malta, but hopefully nobody is blind enough to consider all of those people some one ethnicity.

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  224. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @syonredux

    Are Semites White?
     
    What makes someone a Semite?

    “What makes someone a Semite”, you ask?

    A: A mommy Semite and a daddy Semite. In fact, it’s Semites all the way down.

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    “What makes someone a Semite”, you ask?

    A: A mommy Semite and a daddy Semite. In fact, it’s Semites all the way down.
     

    A linguist would say that a Semite is someone who speaks a Semitic language as his native tongue...
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  225. Romanian says: • Website
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    Hercules’ great-grandmother Andromeda, and in some versions of his lore, at least one other great-grandparent were Ethiopian. So The Rock’s ethnically ambiguous looks fit what Hercules might have been imagined to look like, more than Kevin Sorbo, Kellan Lutz, or the blonde Disney version.
     
    Dunno about the Rock looking "ethnically ambiguous." To my eyes, he looks quite Polynesian...

    As for Hercules' great-grandmother being the Ethiopian princess Andromeda, that doesn't seem to have influenced how the Greeks and the Romans depicted him:



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heracles#/media/File:Hercules_Farnese_3637104088_9c95d7fe3c_b.jpg

    Looks quite European to me.....

    Maybe the supposed ancestors could have been leuko-ethiopians, which was apparently a thing

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Aethiopians

    People generally forget that, before the outward expansion of the Europeans throughout the world, there was also a massive contraction, in a few phases. Think of the Arabs overrunning the Middle East and Christian North Africa and, later, the Turkic conquest of Anatolia.

    Or the displacement of many tribes, including the classical Bulgarians, from Central Asia, under pressure from Asiatic migratory peoples. Or their destruction.

    These are paradigm changes that ripple onwards in time. The final cleansing of the Christian (and the most European) elements of Turkey and the Middle East took place in the early 20th century and is now undergoing a mopping up operation. Consider Lebanon’s demographic transformation based on the inflow of outsiders and, now, the fertility differentials.

    So, there were once White (ish?) Africans in Ethiopia and now the have been subsumed by another race or simply lost their former countenance because of selection. What will Turkey look like in a few hundred years? Or Eastern Europe, given the gypsy element? Or Western Europe.

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    Yeah. Here's Snowden on the topic:

    The assumption that a majority of the inhabitants of north Africa such as Numidians, Gaetulians, and Moors, were blacks, is also contradicted by the ancient evidence. Classical accounts clearly distinguish between the light-skinned inhabitants of coastal northwest Africa and the darker Ethiopians who lived on the southern fringes of the area. The ancient sources also point to the presence in northwest Africa of mixed black-white types, strongly suggested by names such as Libyoaethiopes (Libyan Ethiopians), Leucoaethiopes (white Ethiopians) and Melanogeatuli (black Gaetulians), a kind of intermediate population, an amalgam of whites and Ethiopians, and by the descriptions of the Garamantes, classified in some classical texts as Ethiopians but distinguished from Ethiopians by others. [15] Classical accounts of the physical features of northwest Africans are amply confirmed by the iconographical evidence. Mosaics, sculpture in the round, and other art objects from northwest Africa depict the inhabitants as predominantly white and portray relatively few blacks, far fewer than in the art of the Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans.
     
    http://library.howard.edu/content.php?pid=554250
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  226. Pericles says:
    @Opinionator
    Aren't Ashkenazis semitic? Like Arabs are?

    It depends.

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  227. Art Deco says:
    @Travis
    True, and many leading Universities would become majority non-White School overnight.

    current breakdown at Harvard.
    28% Jews, North Africans, Arabs, Middle Eastern and Persian.
    22% Asian
    21% White
    13% Black
    12% Hispanic
    3% Native American (probably mostly whites like Sen. Warren)

    probably many Jews will not self identify as being MENA. most Half Asians will identify as White when they apply to Harvard. I know a Korean adoptee who attended Penn, she identified as White to increase her chances of being accepted, and it worked

    current breakdown at Harvard. 28% Jews, North Africans, Arabs, Middle Eastern and Persian.

    Unless 20% of the student body is Arab or Iranian, no.

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    25% of Harvard College students are Jewish. That number comes from the Hillel Foundation, the Jewish student organization.

    Based on religious self identification of the 2016 class- 42% of surveyed seniors said they are agnostic or atheist, 18% Catholic, 15% Protestant, and 12% as Jewish.
    of the 42% who identified as atheists, 30% were ethnic Jews. Confirms the estimate that 25% of the Harvard graduating class is ethnically Jewish.

    A. Lawrence Lowell, Harvard's president from 1909-1933, attempted to limit the number of Jewish students admitted to the university. Lowell wanted to cap Harvard's Jewish population at 15% of the student body. The size of the Jewish student body had quickly risen from 7% of freshmen in 1900 to 15% in 1915, 22% in 1922, and 28% in 1925. thus they began restriction jews in the 1930s until the 1950s. But by 1986 Jews were 30% of the students at Yale and 28% of the students attending Harvard. http://www.nytimes.com/1986/03/04/nyregion/yale-s-limit-on-jewish-enrollment-lasted-until-early-1960-s-book-says.html

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  228. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @syonredux

    Aren’t Ashkenazis semitic? Like Arabs are?
     
    Are they?

    Here they’re looking at finer details. When they analyze the origins of the European component of Ashkenazi ancestry, they conclude that most is southern – probably Italian, but that smaller amounts originated from (probably) Western Europe and (more certainly) Eastern Europe: and in that temporal order. They conclude that the Italian admixture slightly predated a late medieval founder event. Different methods came up with somewhat different estimates for the total amount of European ancestry: the local ancestry inference (LAI) approach came up with 53% European, while the GLOBETROTTER analysis came up with an estimate of 67% European ancestry (after calibration by simulations). In their best guess, they split the difference and go for 60% European.
     
    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2016/07/20/even-more-on-ashkenazi-ancestry/

    So Ashkenazis are 40% non-European? I would call that a significant amount of foreign DNA.

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    So Ashkenazis are 40% non-European? I would call that a significant amount of foreign DNA.
     
    Not that foreign. Europeans and Middle Easterners are very closely related.
    , @Jack D
    Jews have been in Europe longer than some of the local "European" populations that arrived from the east (Central Asia) after Roman times. White people are called "Caucasians" or "Aryans" - this refers to Asian lands that are further from Europe than Israel is.

    Today's Arabs have considerable African admixture from all the slave women. The original population of the area probably looked more like Bashar Assad - in other words "white". The real mutants are people with blonde hair in adulthood. Light skin is a common adaptation for northern latitudes and people with light skin often have light hair as infants but it usually darkens in adulthood. Blonde hair was probably some kind of sexual selection evolutionary "trick" to make females look younger than they really were. Blonde hair is something that is confined to one corner of Northern Europe - even most Europeans don't have it. Even most Nazis didn't have it.
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  229. @syonredux
    Some of the critical pieces on the film are a tad....revealing....

    I did not expect to cry during “Wonder Woman.”

    Specifically, I did not expect to tear up during the fight scenes. OK, maybe if Gal Gadot’s Diana, Amazon princess, had given some terrific speech, or if a character I liked had died, but I certainly did not expect to get all misty eyed during the battle scenes.

    But that’s exactly what happened; when Wonder Woman started fighting, out came the waterworks.

    It started on the beach, when Gen. Antiope (Robin Wright) rode into battle with a smile and Queen Hippolyta (Connie Nielsen) leaped off her horse, spinning into the air to wipe out two armed men with her sword. As the battle raged on, it became clear that the scene was not window-dressing, 10 seconds of Amazon showtime before the real movie started. This was the movie — female warriors kicking ass.

    They were fierce and powerful, highly trained soldiers who knew what they were doing, and the film took that, and them, seriously. It was overwhelming.
     

    I felt like I was discovering something I didn’t even know I had always wanted. A need that I had boxed up and buried deep after three movies of Iron Man punching bad guys in the face, three more movies of Captain America punching bad guys in the face, a movie about Superman and Batman punching each other in the face and then “Suicide Squad.”

    Witnessing a woman hold the field, and the camera, for that long blew open an arguably monotonous genre. We didn’t need a computer-generated tree or a sassy raccoon to change the superhero game; what we needed was a woman.

     

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-wonder-woman-crying-20170605-htmlstory.html

    Oh dear, that’s sad. Meredith Woerner yearns to beat up men and only a movie can give her that vicarious thrill. Women may wash out of Ranger school every time, a women’s Olympic soccer team may be beaten by high school boys, and women MMA fighters may be beaten up by men (who believe they are women), but at least with the magic of special effects and often stuntMEN, women can kick ass in the movies.

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  230. This discussion seems to have veered away from talking about the movie and toward discussions of who is and is not Jewish and whether or not Jews should be considered White (Caucasian) and which Jewish or part-Jewish actress is prettiest.

    That being the case, maybe you folks can help me out with something.

    Most of the articles I read on the internet, when they deal with matters of race, refer to people as being white or black or yellow or brown. Other than using a Pantene scale, though, nobody seems to know exactly who should be considered a member of which race.

    Alec Wek https://tinyurl.com/ydeej2yw is a very black model.

    Iman https://tinyurl.com/yarsycrm is another black model, also from Africa but of lighter skin tone and a very Caucasian-style nose.

    Halle Berry claims to be black (the “one drop” theory?) but she’s got a very light tan complexion, a very straight nose and (unless she’s big on wigs) does not sport the tightly curled hair associated with the stereotypical black woman.

    This picture https://tinyurl.com/ybhm32eq I found by Googling “scandinavian blonde women”.

    Somewhere out there — sorry, I couldn’t find it — is a picture series/album that some photographer put together of women all over the world. The various skin tones blend into each other, some have thin lips while others have thick ones, thin noses and flat noses…

    In a world where people talk about religions (Jewish, most obviously) as though they were races and where it’s often impossible to tell one “race” from another what is a polite fellow to do? Especially since, in today’s world, it’s so easy for people to “take offense” over being mis-identified?

    Here are an Indian woman (dot, not feather) https://tinyurl.com/y99tr8hs , a Brazilian woman https://tinyurl.com/ycu8txks , and an Asian woman https://tinyurl.com/y7stoeqv .

    Help a guy out?

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    I'm not sure which would be worse for you. Is it that you think this line of attack is original or that you think anyone will fall for it?

    Regardless, you should ask Potter Stewart.
    , @üeljang
    "Here are an Indian woman (dot, not feather) https://tinyurl.com/y99tr8hs , a Brazilian woman https://tinyurl.com/ycu8txks , and an Asian woman https://tinyurl.com/y7stoeqv ."

    One must be quite obtuse to label a woman who is evidently at least half White as "an Asian woman."
    , @Stan Adams
    "White" covers a lot of ground.

    The good folks on this board can narrow it down a bit, and tell you if you're Nordid, Dalo-Faelid, Atlantid, Baltid, Borreby, Brunn, Mediterranid, or whatever:
    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?25-Taxonomy

    Note that I'm not endorsing the site. I don't post there myself. But it is interesting to read through some of the threads.
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  231. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Superhero comics have always been half-assed quasi-Marxist and Freudian propaganda put out by Jews.

    In the “good old days” of 1941, Captain America was a white man who was developed into a “superhero” because Adolf Hitler – The Most Evil Man Who Ever Lived – was trying to take over the planet and enslave all of humanity with the help of Stygian figures representative of necrosis and human sadism like the Red Skull.

    “Superman” was a hokey, buffoonish creation – presented as a misunderstood, but eminently superior, alien specimen who hailed from a planet where everybody coincidentally had a Hebraic name. A nice Jewish gentleman created the character, so as to convey to silly goy slobs that they should get beyond their natural jealousies and accept their basic moral and mental and physical inferiorities in the face of the Alien interlopers who are their natural betters.

    Batman was portrayed as an adult man who dresses up in what can only be described as leather fetish outfits and hangs around a catamite “boy wonder” who never leaves his side.

    We don’t even need to get into the retro torture-porn chic that was the output of EC Comics to recognize what this medium always represented at the popular cultural/mass distribution level.

    Superhero comics are 1) Jewish 2) Gay 3) Basically steeped in Communist moral metaphors. Yeah, that’s interesting to note – it’s also been the case for about a century.

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    “Superman” was a hokey, buffoonish creation – presented as a misunderstood, but eminently superior, alien specimen who hailed from a planet where everybody coincidentally had a Hebraic name. A nice Jewish gentleman created the character, so as to convey to silly goy slobs that they should get beyond their natural jealousies and accept their basic moral and mental and physical inferiorities in the face of the Alien interlopers who are their natural betters.
     
    Superman is Philip Wylie's Gladiator (the basic power-set: super stength, speed, bullet-proof skin, etc), plus elements from Edgar Rice Burroughs' John Carter (travelling to another planet makes you more powerful) and Tarzan (alien raised by another species).
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  232. Moshe says:
    @Jim Don Bob
    https://emilyshire.com/. A solid 5, maybe 6 if I were drinking, but the crazy bs coming out of her mouth would probably put me off.

    My daddy always said, "Never sleep with anyone crazier than you are". I would still be a virgin had I followed Dad's advice.

    Did your dad want you to exclusively fuck straight men?

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  233. The Z Blog says: • Website
    @RedHeadedStranger
    This discussion seems to have veered away from talking about the movie and toward discussions of who is and is not Jewish and whether or not Jews should be considered White (Caucasian) and which Jewish or part-Jewish actress is prettiest.

    That being the case, maybe you folks can help me out with something.

    Most of the articles I read on the internet, when they deal with matters of race, refer to people as being white or black or yellow or brown. Other than using a Pantene scale, though, nobody seems to know exactly who should be considered a member of which race.

    Alec Wek https://tinyurl.com/ydeej2yw is a very black model.

    Iman https://tinyurl.com/yarsycrm is another black model, also from Africa but of lighter skin tone and a very Caucasian-style nose.

    Halle Berry claims to be black (the "one drop" theory?) but she's got a very light tan complexion, a very straight nose and (unless she's big on wigs) does not sport the tightly curled hair associated with the stereotypical black woman.

    This picture https://tinyurl.com/ybhm32eq I found by Googling "scandinavian blonde women".

    Somewhere out there -- sorry, I couldn't find it -- is a picture series/album that some photographer put together of women all over the world. The various skin tones blend into each other, some have thin lips while others have thick ones, thin noses and flat noses...

    In a world where people talk about religions (Jewish, most obviously) as though they were races and where it's often impossible to tell one "race" from another what is a polite fellow to do? Especially since, in today's world, it's so easy for people to "take offense" over being mis-identified?

    Here are an Indian woman (dot, not feather) https://tinyurl.com/y99tr8hs , a Brazilian woman https://tinyurl.com/ycu8txks , and an Asian woman https://tinyurl.com/y7stoeqv .

    Help a guy out?

    I’m not sure which would be worse for you. Is it that you think this line of attack is original or that you think anyone will fall for it?

    Regardless, you should ask Potter Stewart.

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    It wasn't a "line of attack" but an honest question. Sorry if you felt "triggered". I'll ask my question elsewhere, then. I just thought that since Steve has a reputation for being fact-based, I might get pointed in the right direction. Never mind, I'll ask elsewhere. Enjoy your Intellectual Superiority.
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  234. üeljang says:
    @RedHeadedStranger
    This discussion seems to have veered away from talking about the movie and toward discussions of who is and is not Jewish and whether or not Jews should be considered White (Caucasian) and which Jewish or part-Jewish actress is prettiest.

    That being the case, maybe you folks can help me out with something.

    Most of the articles I read on the internet, when they deal with matters of race, refer to people as being white or black or yellow or brown. Other than using a Pantene scale, though, nobody seems to know exactly who should be considered a member of which race.

    Alec Wek https://tinyurl.com/ydeej2yw is a very black model.

    Iman https://tinyurl.com/yarsycrm is another black model, also from Africa but of lighter skin tone and a very Caucasian-style nose.

    Halle Berry claims to be black (the "one drop" theory?) but she's got a very light tan complexion, a very straight nose and (unless she's big on wigs) does not sport the tightly curled hair associated with the stereotypical black woman.

    This picture https://tinyurl.com/ybhm32eq I found by Googling "scandinavian blonde women".

    Somewhere out there -- sorry, I couldn't find it -- is a picture series/album that some photographer put together of women all over the world. The various skin tones blend into each other, some have thin lips while others have thick ones, thin noses and flat noses...

    In a world where people talk about religions (Jewish, most obviously) as though they were races and where it's often impossible to tell one "race" from another what is a polite fellow to do? Especially since, in today's world, it's so easy for people to "take offense" over being mis-identified?

    Here are an Indian woman (dot, not feather) https://tinyurl.com/y99tr8hs , a Brazilian woman https://tinyurl.com/ycu8txks , and an Asian woman https://tinyurl.com/y7stoeqv .

    Help a guy out?

    “Here are an Indian woman (dot, not feather) https://tinyurl.com/y99tr8hs , a Brazilian woman https://tinyurl.com/ycu8txks , and an Asian woman https://tinyurl.com/y7stoeqv .”

    One must be quite obtuse to label a woman who is evidently at least half White as “an Asian woman.”

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    I got that picture by Googling "asian actresses". It was one of six or seven and that's the one I chose. Apparently I should have specified "racially pure". My bad.
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  235. Moshe says:
    @Lot
    I am pretty white looking, but happy to troll libtards by calling myself a "people of color."

    Wonder Woman: There is a person of color in the lead role
     
    Excellent!

    Now let us take a look at the history and heritage of Ashkenazi Jews. An indigenous people of the Middle East, Ashkenazi Jews were driven out of their homeland by European (and later Arab) colonists and taken as slaves to Europe where they were consistently regarded as savages,
     
    Boy the Times of Israel has some very low standards for its bloggers. There is absolutely no evidence that the proto-Ashkenazi migration to Italy and Gaul was as slaves. Perhaps the Romans did grab some slaves from the ranks of Jewish revolters, but more likely they just left because 100BC-300AD Israel was relatively poor and crowded compared to Europe and North Africa.

    And even those Jews who did convert were still viewed with suspicion, and treated as second class.
     
    Some were obviously faking their conversion, so the "suspicion" was for good reason. Nonetheless, the converted Jews heavily intermarried with the Spanish gentry and lower nobility, so they were hardly "second class" citizens.

    A few choice quotes from some of the more notable European philosophers (as well as some who are less notable) should prove instructive
     

    The only "notable" person on the list is Kant, who was not an ethnographer and never traveled more than a few miles from his birthplace. As Steve notes, both the laws of the USA and Europe, and the actual behavior of Europeans, showed Ashkenazi and Euro-Sephardic Jews were already considered white Europeans. Can we imagine the UK electing a black or Asian PM in 1868 and 1874? Or someone married to a black or asian in 1894?

    I don’t care at all for any discussion from either side about who is “white” or not so I won’t comment to that but I believe that though the Romans DID take Jewish slaves from Israel (Jvdea) and elsewhere in the aftermath of the 3 revolts (including pulmos kitos – war of quietus) the Roman world was already full of Jews in good standing. Also, 66 wasn’t the first revolt either and there are some great Latin passages about (for another time).

    Also the converso intermarriage with royalty wasn’t as commonplace and ubiquitous as is commonly believed. There was, as well, a big difference between conversos in 1391 and convwrsos in 1492 and 1496.

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  236. @Paul Walker - Most beautiful man ever...
    "For the record, I’m white."
    International Honorary White Jew. Only 'cos you're a jolly nice fellow. :)

    I don’t think I like that “compliment”. If your idea of “white” means northwest European then I’m not that and don’t particularly wish to be. But I don’t see that as a sensible definition. You surely don’t want to define yourself apart from the ancient Greeks and Romans.

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  237. @Mikey Darmody
    Very interesting. Does it work?

    It wouldn’t have worked on my 18-year-old self; the instructor could be teaching me how to strip my rifle but my mind would be undressing her.

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  238. George says:
    @guest
    I didn't mean modern ethnic Turks. I just meant in the region that is now Turkey, which means they weren't Greek. (Unless they colonized it.)

    “they weren’t Greek”

    The issue is the ancient Hellenic world not modern Greece. Hellene in English is usually used to mean an ancient Greek. But as far as I know, most of the areas Jews lived in were ‘Hellenized’ by Alexander or earlier and stayed that way until the Turkic and Arab expansions.

    FWIW modern Greece does not use the word to describe themselves, they use the term Hellenic.

    It is also not clear what ancient peoples actually looked like. Brunette is genetically dominant, but ancient peoples lived in such isolated clusters maybe they had very different looks.

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  239. res says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy
    Both the comic book and Lynda Carter TV show balanced out the feminist nature of the character by including some damsel-in-distress / BDSM-type scenarios. In fact, WW's creator, William Moulton Marsten, was a noted BDSM enthusiast. In her original incarnation, Wonder Woman could be rendered powerless by having her hands bound by a man (!). Needless to say, I'm sure all these aspects have been dropped for this latest film, probably replaced by mindless feminist you-go-grrrl!-ism.

    This was discussed on iSteve last month: http://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-butt-kicking-babe-movies-empower-young-girls/#comment-1866364
    But given the overall tone of this thread this seems worth including: http://comicsalliance.com/golden-age-wonder-woman-kink-gallery/

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  240. L Woods says:
    @Opinionator
    Are Semites White?

    Traditionally, yes, they are in fact.

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    But they are from Asia.
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  241. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Judah Benjamin was also Secy’y of War and, later, Sec’y of State under Jeff Davis. Vey!

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  242. Moshe says:
    @Mikey Darmody
    It saddens me that comics book adaptations are the preeminent products of our civilization, rather than space travel.
    The Israeli girl is pretty nice looking tbh. Not a knockout but a healthy-looking broad. I think she did some kind of military service.
    Do the Israelis fetishize their military women? U.S. servicewomen look like dogs generally. Maybe it is because the Israelis have mandatory service, I believe, so even the good looking girls put on the uniform. Whereas over here the US servicewomen pool is rather..... Sapphic. Or do the Israeli men just go in for the whole lady-in-uniform BDSM vibe, a lá Ilsa SheWolf of the SS? How does this square with some people's claims that the Jews aren't attracted to their own women?

    When I lived in Israel it was as an American and I was not in the army. I could have been but I was terrified of losing some kind of celestial battle and ending up as a jobnik rather than working intelligence or infantry.

    Anyhow, I, and my foreign colleagues who actually were in uniform, found the Israeli soldier girls breathtaking. It almost looked like they were ALL literally stunning, which obviously could not have been the case.

    I never quite analyzed it but I guess it has to do with the fact that they’re all physically fit and that being in the army doesn’t detract from their femininity because ALL girls are in the army, so their self confidence doesn’t effect their natural submissveness to men.

    Or something like that.

    As for American women in the army. Yes, most look like dogs but not all.

    I —-

    Oh no, I was about to mention a girl I knew going into the marines when I worked near 29 palms but I looked her name up and—- either it’s not her (it’s been a decade) of maybe women don’t improve with age.

    Okay!

    Next topic.

    How does this square with some people’s claims that the Jews aren’t attracted to their own women?

    I can guess at one element in play and can speak more personally to another.

    My guess is that back in the immigrant days shiksas who could afford the lifestyle and makeup to look pretty looked better than Jewish washerwomen and also promised a better life, obviously enhancing their prettiness.

    The same is true in the chassidic world today although their fantasy is for a modern orthodox or non orthodox jewish woman, for the same reason.

    One I can speak to more personally is that, on average, Jewish women can be more of an emotional handful than non-jewish women. I don’t know how much of this is cultural and how much is genetic, but American Jewish women, JAPs, can be difficult. At least for Jews.

    As for general attractiveness, I can only speak for myself. I find good-looking Jewish girls far far cuter than good-looking non Jewish girls.

    Obviously this only relates to the respective good looking ones in each category, but I have no interest in “hot” girls as conpared with “cute” ones.

    The former look like manly sluts to me and the latter like smiley cuddly feminine beauties.

    The whole blond and tall thing is probably for the sort of men who take pride in their penis size (a concept I first heard of about ten years ago and sincerely thought it was a female-created joke until really recently) and who enjoy waking up to creatures with a square jaw and cold eyes while the latter is for men who enjoy being funny and playing around and want to wake up to a light brown haired girl-looking-girl with curves and with less than 4 feet of washboard abs between their upper curves and lower ones.

    The ideal of course is a Non-Jap with these physical attributes.

    Thankfully in America they are fairly common, although the grotesque bleached blonde thing self-selects a number from circulation.

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    That sounds like a fair assessment. To the degree it keeps them in shape, female military service is a positive.
    I think in Bonfire of the Vanities there was a Jewish junior prosecutor who was ashamed of how his wife had morphed into a plump shtetl babushka once she had kids. The converse is McCoy's blonde shiksa wife who starved herself of all fats and became a social x-ray, I believe. It's funny how they are, presumably, morally much better than the most beautiful woman in the book, Sherman's despicable mistress. My idea is that once a woman has a passel of kids, she has some excuse for not being in the beat shape.
    , @Autochthon

    Obviously this only relates to the respective good looking ones in each category, but I have no interest in “hot” girls as conpared with “cute” ones.

    The former look like manly sluts to me and the latter like smiley cuddly feminine beauties.
     

    There is much wisdom in this perspective. Sadly, the cute women are gravitating toward being mousy, tubby slobs with all kinds of irrational rage at men who aren't interested in that kind of mate; their ultimate fate is too often now to become crazed cat-ladies or lesbians of opportunity. Meanwhile, the hot ones are doubling down as manly sluts and rather than being content to wed a dashing, handsome physician or captain of industry, they insist on bedding several such men on heavy rotation until they become haggish, then they repeat the whole affair with lesser, younger, less choosy men as so-called cougars before retiring to their own fates as bitter harridans.

    OTEMPORAOMORES

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  243. EH says:
    @guest
    Amazons come from Greek mythology, but that doesn't necessarily make them Greek. Herodotus made them out to be Turkish, as I recall, and others put them in North Africa.

    From archaeological evidence that 1/5th of those buried with weapons were women, the likely origin of the legend of the Amazons was the Scythian or Sarmatian peoples who were originally of the northern coast of the Black Sea and the steppes and river valleys north of that latitude, descended from the Kurgan (Yamna and Maykop peoples), proto- Indo-Europeans of the same area, particularly the Northern Caucasus, the most likely inventors of the wheel and domesticators of the horse, whose descendants later conquered everything from Mongolia to France (indeed, the Sicambrian Franks who founded France were Scythians by their own account, which is backed by the similarity of the gold work, for instance in the Merovingian and Bactrian hoards.)

    The purest descendants of the Scythians today are the Ossetians of the northern Caucasus (e.g. Beslan, where their children were massacred at school by Chechen terrorists). Nearly a third of Ossetians still follow their ancient pagan religion, Uatsdin. Their closest cousins are the Alans (Alani in the Roman chronicles, a form of the word “Aryan”, also the origin of the name “Alan”), who settled mostly in Armorica (Brittany, France) and the Jasz, who have lived in Hungary since they arrived with the Mongol invasion.

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  244. @guest
    Is it possible they're not aware one of the biggest female stars in Hollywood, Natalie Portman, is not only Jewish but was born in Jerusalem? She gets to star in plenty of action movies, too, though she's not usually drop kicking 300-lb. men herself.

    They don't try very hard writing these articles. They take some little nugget, like Wonder Woman being Israeli and non-hideous, and immediately go off on a flight of fancy, never pausing to check actual movie history or logic.

    They take some little nugget, like Wonder Woman being Israeli and non-hideous, and immediately go off on a flight of fancy, never pausing to check actual movie history or logic.

    Guessing that the “merchant quibbling” gene structure also expresses as the “whiny” phenotype.

    Yes Jews have got one big thing to be sore about–the Holocaust. But they’ll find everything and anything–e.g. the golfocaust–to whine about.

    Jews are obviously over-represented in front of the camera as well as behind. Just not at the crazy levels of writers or studio execs. Which of course makes sense because Hollywood’s Jews are making movies and TV for America’s gentiles so they don’t go with–obvious (explicitly Jewish phenotype)–Jews 24x7x365. That’s called “business”. But if say a 98% gentile nation has say 90% gentile actors … you’ll have some Jews–especially Jewish women–readily available to whine about it. It’s in the DNA.

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    Yes Jews have got one big thing to be sore about–the Holocaust.
     
    Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?
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  245. Jack D says:
    @Trelane
    Hedy Lamarr was not only beautiful, she was also highly intelligent. She invented a form of radio modulation called "frequency hopping" when she was only 28 years old. This is especially impressive since she had no training (formal or otherwise) in radio engineering and had left school as a teen to pursue an acting career in Berlin. Today, all of our advanced radio techiniques such as cell phones, wifi, satellites and blue tooth use this technology developed by Hedy. Frederick Emmons Terman must have been blown away by this chick. Howard Hughes offered her a job at his aircraft company and I don't blame him. According to the Internet Hedy Lamarr may have been among the smartest women ever to have lived, right up there with Oprah Winfrey (largest head/brain on record) and Grace Hopper (inventer of computer programming).

    Hedy Lamarr invented frequency hopping in the same way that those black lady mathematicians sent us to the moon. She had an idea for how to do it and worked with a guy who actually had some training and what they came up with was to use the mechanism from a player piano – actually 2 of them. Both the transmitter and the receiver would have to be perfectly synched at the beginning and stay in synch for this to work – any drift and they would be tuned to different frequencies and stop talking to each other. Their “invention” led to zero real world products. When real frequency hopping was perfected decades later it was electronic and had nothing to do with their crude mechanical approach.

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    Thank you for clarifying this point; Lamarr's idea was brilliant and insightful, but I weary of those who conflate dreaming of an idea with implementing it (the latter is nearly always worlds of magnitude more difficult). Telecommunications is an area of my work, so these kinds of glosses in that context especially irk me; you want to cite geniuses of modern techniques, discuss code-division multiple access, Andrew Viterbi, Antonio Franklin, and Irwin Jacobs – nearly everyone laughed at these guys and their idea. The establishment assured all that CDMA was pysically and mathematically impossible.

    So they implemented it themselves, and now their chips (or chips using the technology they developed) are in every cellular modem on the planet.

    This business that so-and-such female or brown person invented thus-and-so because they once mentioned it as a cool idea is as valid as the contention that Edgar Rice Burroughs invented the means to travel to Mars or Jules Verne invented modern nuclear submarines. It's baloney. Mind you, great artists and authors, especially those who know what they are talking about, such as Heinlein and Asimov did, can indeed serve as catalysts and visionaries whose ideas advance the state of the art, but let's not confuse them with the guys who actually realise those visions.
    , @PiltdownMan

    Hedy Lamarr invented frequency hopping in the same way that those black lady mathematicians sent us to the moon.
     
    Hedy Lamarr did a lot more than those black lady mathematicians, and is not in the same class, even if the extent of her own contribution is vastly exaggerated. She not only showed intellectual creativity and originality in solving a difficult weapons systems technical problem well outside her field of expertise by coming up with an insightful idea that later proved to be very powerful, she showed initiative in partnering with George Antheil and building a workable mechanical prototype, and she actually registered patents.

    Sure, the story is made out to be that Hedy Lamarr invented modern FHSS and practically invented cell phones. It's understandably human to exaggerate the story that way—she was darn good looking.

    But it is also quite unfair to her to compare her to non-entity computational clerks who were merely grinding though numerical methods of approximation to get solutions to differential equations for orbital mechanics that had been known since the time of Newton.

    I bet Hedy Lamarr had at least 20 IQ points on any of those NASA clerks.

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  246. @Charles Pewitt
    "I haven’t seen the Wonder Woman movie, but it’s doing well at the box office and appears to be well-liked. It stars a pretty Israeli actress named Gal Gadot." -- Steve Sailer

    Gal Gadot is not pretty. Gadot might have got the Wonder Woman role because she is an Israeli.

    Gal Gadot:

    Pretty — Yes
    Cute — Yes
    Womanly figure — No
    Boyish figure — A bit. But no boys are built like that.
    Feminine — Definitely
    MILF — Absolutely
    Makes Another Dad’s eugenic propagation list — Yes
    Gives a flying rat’s ass what any of us think — No
    Status — Laughing all the way to the bank.

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    It seems to me that the beauty standard of some men around here is sort of fixated at the 13 year old boy or caveman level - they like women with really big chests. Anything less than 36D is some kind of Jewish conspiracy to make us all gay. Look at classical sculptures of Venus - the ideal of feminine beauty does not involve really big melons.
    , @guest
    "But no boys are built like that"

    You miss the point. To say she's boyish doesn't mean she could actually pass for a boy. It means she looks like a boy compared to other full-grown women.

    Gadot is more masculine than average for a female. That doesn't mean she necessarily looks like a man, though individual features of hers may be mistaken for male in isolation. There are girls who deviate on the other side, as well. There's such a thing as being too feminine; see the babyface phenomenon. The ideal is to have slightly above average femininity. Or masculinity, if you're a man.

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  247. @Mikey Darmody
    I suppose it is a good recruitment tactic, probably better than the Western style of touting the economic benefits of military service. It would be best to recruit young men by appealing to love of country and desire for glory. However, America may be too debased to hold up as an object of devotion.
    This talk of lady soldiers hearkens back to the Nietzsche thread. He recognized how cruel women can be. Even crueler than men, at least in a moral sense. A great play that is proto-Nietzschean and aware of the feminine nature of cruelty and madness is the Bacchae by Euripides:
    “They did attack our herds: you could have seen a woman pull a calf to pieces as it bellowed alive in her bare hands!”

    “Even crueler than men, at least in a moral sense.”

    It’s a pity Kipling’s poems aren’t taught in schools any more. “The Female Of The Species”, “The Vampyre”, “Gods Of The Copybook Headings” and “The Stranger Within My Gate” are almost the complete guide – and warning – to the way we live now.

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    It’s a pity Kipling’s poems aren’t taught in schools any more. “The Female Of The Species”, “The Vampyre”, “Gods Of The Copybook Headings” and “The Stranger Within My Gate” are almost the complete guide – and warning – to the way we live now.
     
    Indeed. If schoolboys had to memorize "The Stranger," immigration policy would be rather different:

    The Stranger
    The Stranger within my gate,
    He may be true or kind,
    But he does not talk my talk--
    I cannot feel his mind.
    I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
    But not the soul behind.

    The men of my own stock,
    They may do ill or well,
    But they tell the lies I am wanted to,
    They are used to the lies I tell;
    And we do not need interpreters
    When we go to buy or sell.

    The Stranger within my gates,
    He may be evil or good,
    But I cannot tell what powers control--
    What reasons sway his mood;
    Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
    Shall repossess his blood.

    The men of my own stock,
    Bitter bad they may be,
    But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
    And see the things I see;
    And whatever I think of them and their likes
    They think of the likes of me.

    This was my father's belief
    And this is also mine:
    Let the corn be all one sheaf--
    And the grapes be all one vine,
    Ere our children's teeth are set on edge
    By bitter bread and wine.
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  248. Neoconned says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    Lynda Carter Is Beautiful:

    https://twitter.com/RealLyndaCarter/status/834780320708837377

    The Germans were the bad guys even though it was about WW1….

    If i were German id boycott it

    The acting was contrived and like i figuref it was going to be terrible.

    DCs problem is that unlike Marvel most of its characters age terribly.

    W the exception of Batman, Supe and maybe Green Lantern & a few of their minor characters like Lobo they dont have good characters

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    I hate to break this to you, but the Germans WERE the bad guys in WWI too.
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  249. @L Woods
    Traditionally, yes, they are in fact.

    But they are from Asia.

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  250. @guest
    She looks like a model, which is to say she's masculine* and not pretty (though I wouldn't say ugly), but she fits the currently accepted standards of beauty foisted upon us by high culture.

    *Square jaw, protruding forehead, bump in nose, high flat cheekbones, big mouth, noticeable lack of daintiness. And that's just the face.

    Square jaw, protruding forehead, bump in nose, high flat cheekbones, big mouth, …

    … sharp knees. 2/10 would not bang.

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  251. @syonredux

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    No, she's pretty; she's just not as beautiful as Lynda Carter was in her prime.

    And of course, Lynda Carter in her prime would hands down, completely outshines Katherine Hepburn in the looks department. Hands down, dear fellow, hands down. Hepburn couldn’t have played such a demanding role as Wonder Woman, while Eva Gardner could have played the role without any noticeable problems.

    Lynda Carter was bona fide beautiful. She had it all. Looks, class, (was originally a high fashion model), simply amazing.

    Carter’s contemporary, Jacklyn Smith, also could’ve played Wonder Woman. She was thinking man’s Angel from Charlie’s Angel. Although hailing from Texas, Miss. Smith was never said to have been part Mexican (or Hispanic for that matter).

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  252. @syonredux

    Are Semites White?
     
    What makes someone a Semite?

    What makes someone a Semite?

    The nose.

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  253. @PiltdownMan

    According to the Internet Hedy Lamarr may have been among the smartest women ever to have lived, right up there with Oprah Winfrey (largest head/brain on record) and Grace Hopper (inventer of computer programming).
     
    FWIW, Grace Hopper (1906-1992) did not invent computer programming. What she did do, was invent the first compiler while at Univac, which is a landmark achievement in computer science. Grace Hopper was also an early champion of the development of programming languages with English-like commands and syntax, an idea that was also brushed off initially, but proved to be deeply powerful.

    The inventor of computer programming (at least conceptually) was Lady Ada Lovelace (1815-1852). She was Byron's daughter.

    Inconceivable thought it might seem, both women were in a different league, intellectually and in terms magnitude of actual accomplishment, than the genius black ladies who operated the puppet rocket scientists running the space program.

    Ah, but the real question regarding Lovelace and Hopper is, were either of these ladies outwardly beautiful? One truism tends to hold that the smarter the woman, the uglier they tend to be (e.g. Jane Austen’s Pride and Prejudice, Mary, the frumpy semi-ugly duckling of the five Bennett sisters, knowing she can’t compete with her far fairer sisters, decides to concentrate on her smarts and thus possible land a husband).

    Remember, keep the focus on the original point of the article, and that is, could these real life geniuses play Wonder Woman from a physical standpoint?

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  254. @syonredux

    She’s on the new Twin Peaks. Looks great for her age.
     
    Yeah. For a 70-year old woman, she looks fantastic.

    Christy Brinkley, looks fabulous for her age (early 60′s), simply fabulous. When Kate was 60, she played Eleanor of Aquataine, exactly why? For her time, the historical Eleanor was beautiful, so typecasting clearly, clearly, was in vogue. The real Eleanor of Aquataine wasn’t old enough to have been Henry II’s mother, per Hepburn and O’Toole.

    Dreadful casting, just dreadful.

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    They did have a scene where Hepburn stares in a mirror and laments her lost looks, so they acknowledged it. In think she was cast simply because people wanted to hear Hepburn and O'Toole yell at eachother.
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  255. MBlanc46 says:
    @syonredux

    The Obama Administration sponsored a Census Bureau initiative to carve away part of its white category by creating a separate nonwhite racial category entitled Middle Eastern and North African, which would seemingly include Israelis like Gadot.
     
    Which, when you bear in mind where Gadot's family comes from, is kinda funny:

    Gal was born to a Jewish family in Israel. Her family were Jewish immigrants from Belarus, Lithuania, Russia, Poland, Austria, Czechoslovakia, and Germany.
     
    http://ethnicelebs.com/gal-gadot

    And as an old Jewish colleague of mine used to say, “Jews look like where they come from.”

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  256. @syonredux
    Some of the critical pieces on the film are a tad....revealing....

    I did not expect to cry during “Wonder Woman.”

    Specifically, I did not expect to tear up during the fight scenes. OK, maybe if Gal Gadot’s Diana, Amazon princess, had given some terrific speech, or if a character I liked had died, but I certainly did not expect to get all misty eyed during the battle scenes.

    But that’s exactly what happened; when Wonder Woman started fighting, out came the waterworks.

    It started on the beach, when Gen. Antiope (Robin Wright) rode into battle with a smile and Queen Hippolyta (Connie Nielsen) leaped off her horse, spinning into the air to wipe out two armed men with her sword. As the battle raged on, it became clear that the scene was not window-dressing, 10 seconds of Amazon showtime before the real movie started. This was the movie — female warriors kicking ass.

    They were fierce and powerful, highly trained soldiers who knew what they were doing, and the film took that, and them, seriously. It was overwhelming.
     

    I felt like I was discovering something I didn’t even know I had always wanted. A need that I had boxed up and buried deep after three movies of Iron Man punching bad guys in the face, three more movies of Captain America punching bad guys in the face, a movie about Superman and Batman punching each other in the face and then “Suicide Squad.”

    Witnessing a woman hold the field, and the camera, for that long blew open an arguably monotonous genre. We didn’t need a computer-generated tree or a sassy raccoon to change the superhero game; what we needed was a woman.

     

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-wonder-woman-crying-20170605-htmlstory.html

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-wonder-woman-crying-20170605-htmlstory.html

    Thanks Syonredux.

    This link is actually more interesting than the Jewish “we’re not ‘white’ we’re the oppressed” and Jewish women whining about “standards of beauty”. Both well trod ground.

    The interesting thing to me was this woman saying she was “in tears” during some of the Wonder Woman fight scenes. It was cathartic for her–apparently she’d been waiting all her life to see woman warriors, competently slaying on the battlefield. And that her reaction was common–the director had heard it many times before and was unsurprised.

    This struck me as a bit weird because the “butt kicking babes” are seriously a trope. They seem to show up everywhere now days. And not just in zones of complete suspension of disbelief, but in places that are at least superficially are supposed to be normal TV/movie “reality”. For me many times it’s just so ridiculous it jerks me out of routine TV/movie suspension of disbelief
    and wrecks the show. (Wonder Woman is better because she is at least a super-hero with super-powers, not some actual normal human 120 lb. woman dispatching 200 lb. tough guys.)

    I think American (and European) life has become so feminized, and so devoid of not just violence, but actual hard heavy physical labor that a lot of women are just completely ignorant of brute physical reality. A lot of women seem truly ignorant of how utterly weak and fragile they are compared to even average men. I’m pretty much dead on average American guy–height, size (a bit more upper body per my size, a bit less leg)–and now even as a geezer I almost never see any woman I couldn’t quickly subdue. (Ok, now I see some really fat ones that probably geezer me couldn’t move after knocking them out.) Young guys who are actually tough and strong? There are no women who would even be in a “fight” with them, they’d just be on the floor unconscious. But apparently a lot of women don’t realize the extreme extent of sexual dimorphism on strength. I guess their boyfriends/husbands have never handled them physically–even just to toss ‘em over their shoulder and carry ‘em off to bed?

    And what’s weird to me is this intense desire to see this female warrior–a complete fantasy of a competent ass-kicking female warrior. I get the interest in what the other sex can do. When AnotherMom was pregnant–belly bulging out incredibly–I had
    a) a sense of pride in my manhood, that i’d knocked her up and my baby was growing inside her
    but even more profoundly
    b) a sense of wonder at life, at her feminine power, to receive my joy juice, combine with it, and bake it into a beautiful baby inside her.
    But what I didn’t feel was jealously. That I was cheated as a guy because I couldn’t grow a baby myself. Or later, that she had a more intense bond with the kids through pregnancy and nursing. I was grateful–to God, to life, to her–to be a dad, did my dad thing, appreciated it, loved it.

    These women of the West today are nuts. They downplay, dismiss and many forego the one thing they can do not just “much better” than men, but that men can’t do at all. And pine for these bizarre fantasies where they are supreme at doing things that men are so thoroughly superior at that women aren’t even in the same universe. It’s insanity. And it’s part of what’s killing the West.

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    It's hard to find the video now, but about 5 years ago, Douglas Kennedy got into a contretemps with a couple of female nurses when he was carrying his newborn child into an unauthorized part of the hospital. As I recall the video, a couple of these Avengin' Amazons came barreling up to him in the doorway of an elevator, and began grabbing and slapping at him, trying to..pull the child out of his hands...or deconstruct the patriarchy...or... something. While holding the baby in one arm, Kennedy dropped one of these Fightin' Furies with a knee strike to the gut, and took the other to the ground with a one-handed arm twist. You could almost see the thought balloons form over the nurses' heads as they experienced a moderate amount of male force for the first time in their empowered lives. (Kennedy is a medium-sized fellow whose athletic background probably tends toward tennis and sailing, yet he tossed these delusional dames around in true comic-book fashion.)
    , @PiltdownMan

    And what’s weird to me is this intense desire to see this female warrior–a complete fantasy of a competent ass-kicking female warrior. I get the interest in what the other sex can do. ...
    But what I didn’t feel was jealousy...
     
    Freud took a stab at why women feel that way. But I'm told his theory has been discredited.

    http://tinyurl.com/oqmccnt

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  257. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous Nephew
    "Even crueler than men, at least in a moral sense."

    It's a pity Kipling's poems aren't taught in schools any more. "The Female Of The Species", "The Vampyre", "Gods Of The Copybook Headings" and "The Stranger Within My Gate" are almost the complete guide - and warning - to the way we live now.

    It’s a pity Kipling’s poems aren’t taught in schools any more. “The Female Of The Species”, “The Vampyre”, “Gods Of The Copybook Headings” and “The Stranger Within My Gate” are almost the complete guide – and warning – to the way we live now.

    Indeed. If schoolboys had to memorize “The Stranger,” immigration policy would be rather different:

    The Stranger
    The Stranger within my gate,
    He may be true or kind,
    But he does not talk my talk–
    I cannot feel his mind.
    I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
    But not the soul behind.

    The men of my own stock,
    They may do ill or well,
    But they tell the lies I am wanted to,
    They are used to the lies I tell;
    And we do not need interpreters
    When we go to buy or sell.

    The Stranger within my gates,
    He may be evil or good,
    But I cannot tell what powers control–
    What reasons sway his mood;
    Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
    Shall repossess his blood.

    The men of my own stock,
    Bitter bad they may be,
    But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
    And see the things I see;
    And whatever I think of them and their likes
    They think of the likes of me.

    This was my father’s belief
    And this is also mine:
    Let the corn be all one sheaf–
    And the grapes be all one vine,
    Ere our children’s teeth are set on edge
    By bitter bread and wine.

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  258. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad
    Gal Gadot:

    Pretty -- Yes
    Cute -- Yes
    Womanly figure -- No
    Boyish figure -- A bit. But no boys are built like that.
    Feminine -- Definitely
    MILF -- Absolutely
    Makes Another Dad's eugenic propagation list -- Yes
    Gives a flying rat's ass what any of us think -- No
    Status -- Laughing all the way to the bank.

    It seems to me that the beauty standard of some men around here is sort of fixated at the 13 year old boy or caveman level – they like women with really big chests. Anything less than 36D is some kind of Jewish conspiracy to make us all gay. Look at classical sculptures of Venus – the ideal of feminine beauty does not involve really big melons.

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    You've set up a strawman. I, for one, did bring up breasts, but if you'll look at my original beauty post I talked about nothing but her face. There hasn't really been much boob talk on this thread, given the subject matter.

    I would trust the 13 year-old perspective on this issue, by the way. Presuming they've reached puberty and aren't still in the coodies phase. Which isn't to say there's no refinement to be done on basic animal attraction when setting up standards of beauty. But let us not pretend we're talking about sunsets or what-have-you. Feminine and masculine beauty are founded in sex, and that is founded deep within the brain.

    You're never going to convince regular people men who look like women and women who look like men are the best-looking men and women. But propaganda can get you a long way, and people can become mightily confused. Not so much 13 year-olds who haven't yet had their natural instincts sufficiently suppressed.

    Every supermodel ever has told stories about how they were the ugly duckling in junior high and high school, and the way these stories are told to us, it's like we're not supposed to believe them. Either that, or we're supposed to think it was an injustice. But I've always found adolescence to be unusually just on this issue. And that's coming from someone who had an awkward puberty. I have no trouble believing the stories. Because they're often ugly and freakish now, or at least below the feminine ideal, so why not back then? And the 13 year-olds were more honest for pointing it out, as opposed to the general public who pretends people like Gisele Brady and Cindy Crawford are beautiful.

    (There have been suggestions that these models might have been late bloomers, but that's not the case. Because they never bloom, first of all. Also, because they usually were quick growers, which is why they get picked to be models when they're 16 or whatever. Because scouts look out for beanpole 16 year-olds.)
    , @guest
    By the way, Venus was the Goddess of Love and Beauty, not the Goddess of Perfect Breasts. There's no reason to assume that in any particular work of art, even one where the artist represents feminine beauty, the artist is necessarily trying to depict what he finds personally most attractive. Nor what he thinks his audience should ideally be most attracted to. Such thinking has led to all sorts of nonsense about supposedly divergent beauty standards in olden times.

    That being said, I find classical Venuses to be more attractive than Gal Gadot.
    , @AnotherDad

    Anything less than 36D is some kind of Jewish conspiracy to make us all gay.
     
    "It's not the Jews, it's the gay Jews!" (To rip off Garry Shandling.)

    It seems to me that the beauty standard of some men around here is sort of fixated at the 13 year old boy or caveman level – they like women with really big chests.
     
    LOL. I think even at 13, I had a pretty solid idea of what made women "attractive" and a "really big chest"--while certainly piquing a boy's interest--was definitely not required.

    My post was an attempt to put the ridiculous Gal Gadot "not pretty" nonsense to rest. She's obviously pretty, cute, attractive--and doesn't care what we think while she enjoys her family and counts her Hollywood loot.

    But since you're insisting Jack, my tongue doesn't hang out around girls with big chests that arrive minutes before they do, nor am I even a Linda Carter fan. Why I wrote:


    Boyish figure -- A bit. But no boys are built like that.
     
    is because her figure is indeed a bit straighter through the torso than the female norm.

    Since i'd never heard of her, the first thing I did--typical guy that the gay Jews haven't corrupted yet--was an image search. And her not super curvy torso shows up in several images:

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=FKYHoc%2b2&id=37FEF7DBF780CCDC2A7C36B8964007B1DB7D1B6F&thid=OIP.FKYHoc-2NAdt3LSJjEWtRwDtEs&q=gal+gadot&simid=607989236868907960&selectedIndex=17&ajaxhist=0

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=CgQv3VV0&id=E57A9D10D2B8FD020805D92B56B86AC52D7DAECF&thid=OIP.CgQv3VV0HBK47rlQeqMESgEsEF&q=gal+gadot&simid=608024691825445562&selectedIndex=55&ajaxhist=0

    The gist of it is that she doesn't curve quickly from hips/ass to a trim waist, but rather her waist is higher, she stays "thicker" longer and hence there's more "straightness" to her through the mid section. In contrast the woman i'm most familiar with--AnotherMom--while with three kids and a lot of years is way less fit than Gal, nonetheless curves in much more sharply from hips/ass to waist. (I.e. she has a more "womanly" figure. No one would say "boyish figure".) My youngest--a runner--has a rockin' bikini body, which i'd say is objectively superior to Gal's and it's not because her chest is any bigger. It's because she curves incredibly from her hips to a tight trim waist.

    Sorry Jack, Gal is fit, feminine and attractive. But "curvy" is just not her killer feature. And it doesn't take a big boob man to feel this way. Even more of an "ass man" like myself picks up on it.

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  259. Jack D says:
    @Neoconned
    The Germans were the bad guys even though it was about WW1....

    If i were German id boycott it

    The acting was contrived and like i figuref it was going to be terrible.

    DCs problem is that unlike Marvel most of its characters age terribly.

    W the exception of Batman, Supe and maybe Green Lantern & a few of their minor characters like Lobo they dont have good characters

    I hate to break this to you, but the Germans WERE the bad guys in WWI too.

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    I hate to break this to you, but the Germans WERE the bad guys in WWI too.
     
    True. But so were the Austrians, Russians, French and British.

    The Germans were the most aggressive in bringing on the war, but all these folks contributed with massive, arrogant, clueless misbehavior.

    This isn't the place for a big "Great War" debate, but one idea I want to push out to my fellow Americans, is that they are steeped in the Anglo-Saxon perspective and a lot of "Great War" thinking is retconned the (real) World War. And because of this I think we miss an important piece of the puzzle:

    A big part of what led to the 20th century wars was British and French imperialism. These nations had essentially "sewn up" a good portion of the world, locking out the commercial interests of other nations. And this system had no good way to accommodate a rising Germany.

    I'd argue--a counter factual--that if the world system had been the open free trade system that America imposed after the War--which widened with decolonization--then a rising Germany's interests would have been accommodated without war. These wars were essentially the Germans--late to the nationalist party--attempt to get out of a "junior" role and push aside its bossy older brothers, who'd already grabbed up all the goodies.
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  260. CKK says:

    Phoebe Cates is a close second.

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  261. @Rifleman
    Now the important question is - Is Linda Jean Córdova Carter White?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynda_Carter

    Carter was born in Phoenix, Arizona, the daughter of Juanita (née Córdova) and Colby Carter.

    Her father is of English and Scots-Irish ancestry, and her mother, whose family hailed from Mexico, is of Mexican, Spanish and French descent

    Or for that matter what about Catherine Bach from The Dukes of Hazzard.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Bach

    Bach was born in Warren, Ohio, the daughter of Norma Jean Kucera (née Verdugo), an acupuncturist, and Bernard Bachman, a rancher.

    Her mother was of Mexican descent and her father was of German ancestry.

    Or Raquel Welch?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raquel_Welch

    Welch was born as Jo-Raquel Tejada on September 5, 1940 in Chicago, Illinois.

    Her father, Armando Carlos Tejada Urquizo (1911–1976), was an aeronautical engineer from La Paz, Bolivia, born to Agustin Tejada and Raquel Urquizo; Welch was named after her paternal grandmother.

    Her mother, Josephine Sarah (née Hall; 1909–2000), was the daughter of architect Emery Stanford Hall and his wife Clara Louise Adams, and was of English origin, originally of Salford, Lancashire, that dated back to the Mayflower.

    Her mother, Josephine Sarah (née Hall; 1909–2000), was the daughter of architect Emery Stanford Hall and his wife Clara Louise Adams, and was of English origin, originally of Salford, Lancashire, that dated back to the Mayflower.

    I’m afraid you rather lost me at the end. Who, or what, “dated back to the Mayflower”?

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  262. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous
    Superhero comics have always been half-assed quasi-Marxist and Freudian propaganda put out by Jews.

    In the “good old days” of 1941, Captain America was a white man who was developed into a “superhero” because Adolf Hitler – The Most Evil Man Who Ever Lived – was trying to take over the planet and enslave all of humanity with the help of Stygian figures representative of necrosis and human sadism like the Red Skull.

    “Superman” was a hokey, buffoonish creation – presented as a misunderstood, but eminently superior, alien specimen who hailed from a planet where everybody coincidentally had a Hebraic name. A nice Jewish gentleman created the character, so as to convey to silly goy slobs that they should get beyond their natural jealousies and accept their basic moral and mental and physical inferiorities in the face of the Alien interlopers who are their natural betters.

    Batman was portrayed as an adult man who dresses up in what can only be described as leather fetish outfits and hangs around a catamite “boy wonder” who never leaves his side.

    We don’t even need to get into the retro torture-porn chic that was the output of EC Comics to recognize what this medium always represented at the popular cultural/mass distribution level.

    Superhero comics are 1) Jewish 2) Gay 3) Basically steeped in Communist moral metaphors. Yeah, that’s interesting to note – it’s also been the case for about a century.

    “Superman” was a hokey, buffoonish creation – presented as a misunderstood, but eminently superior, alien specimen who hailed from a planet where everybody coincidentally had a Hebraic name. A nice Jewish gentleman created the character, so as to convey to silly goy slobs that they should get beyond their natural jealousies and accept their basic moral and mental and physical inferiorities in the face of the Alien interlopers who are their natural betters.

    Superman is Philip Wylie’s Gladiator (the basic power-set: super stength, speed, bullet-proof skin, etc), plus elements from Edgar Rice Burroughs’ John Carter (travelling to another planet makes you more powerful) and Tarzan (alien raised by another species).

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  263. Kylie says:
    @Stan Adams
    To answer my own question: I pay so little attention to Star Wars news that I wasn't even sure if we were on Movie 8 or Movie 9. I looked it up. The next one (coming out on December 15 of this year) is 8. Movie 7, whatever it's called, is a ripoff of A New Hope.

    Despite having spent much of my life obsessed with Star Trek, I don't even know how many Abrams movies there have been. I saw the first two when they came out. I have a vague impression that Beyond is the third one, and that a fourth one - Discovery, is it? - will be coming out in the next few years.

    I saw Into Darkness in the theater and found it so disappointing - a fourth-rate rehash of The Wrath of Khan, only marginally better than the fifth-rate TWoK retread that was Nemesis - that I vowed to boycott all upcoming Abrams flicks. I haven't seen one of his movies since.

    Of course, I could easily answer all of these questions by doing a Google search, or even by paying a bit more attention to the news, but I don't want to know. I don't want to think about the soulless Hollywood machine and its never-ending assembly line of remakes.

    Is there a man alive who has never seen any of the Harry Potter movies, any of the Lord of the Rings movies, or any of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies? Is there anyone in this world who has never seen *any* of them? There's at least one man who hasn't - me.

    (Before everyone starts freaking out, let me say that I'm not conflating J.R.R. Tolkien with J.K. Rowling; I'm merely pointing to two enormously-lucrative movie franchises that I know nothing about. I have no interest in fantasy movies.)

    The other day, I was thinking of a movie to watch, and the title that popped into my head was King Vidor's The Fountainhead (1949). I really dig that movie - and I'm no Randite, believe me. It's one of the best bad movies ever made. You have a character who tosses a statue out of a window because she doesn't like humanity and a character who blows up a humanitarian housing project because he doesn't like the statuary. Vidor's Code-approved depictions of rape and suicide are simplistic, even laughable, but surprisingly effective. The over-the-top phallic imagery - icy heiress Patricia Neal fantasizes about stone-cold quarry worker (and architect) Gary Cooper's long, hard drill - is only icing on the cake.



    There will never be another movie like Vidor's Fountainhead. Oh, there'll be another movie with the same name and the same basic plot someday, but it won't have Cooper's wooden line deliveries, or Neal's ridiculously-overwrought facial expressions, or that crazy set design, or that insistent score, or that luscious black-and-white German Expressionist cinematography. (If it's anything like the low-budget Atlas Shrugged adaptation that came out a few years ago, it'll be a total borefest.)

    If you know how much I like The Fountainhead, then you might be surprised to learn that at times I like Commando (1985), starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, even more.

    There'll never be another movie like Commando. Oh, there'll be another similarly-silly action movie full of cheesy one-liners, but the humor will be a little too self-conscious to give off the same vibe. They'll probably make all of the villains white. If they do cast a white guy as the heroic lead, he'll probably be a Brit, and he'll likely affect a technically-flawless but vaguely-unconvincing American accent. They might cast an Aussie on the villain, but he won't have a mustache, and he won't be wearing a ridiculous Freddie Mercury getup, complete with leather pants and a chain-mail vest. But even if they decide to match all of the elements, find an Austrian bodybuilder with a thick-enough accent to play John Matrix, and do a shot-by-shot, word-for-word, R-rated remake, it won't be as good (meaning bad). The zeitgeist will see to that.

    There aren't that many shot-by-shot remakes that we can use as examples of the effect of the zeitgeist, but there are a few. Gus Van Sant's Psycho (1998) is so startlingly different from - and inferior to - the 1960 Hitchcock film that it seems a crime that the two should bear the same name. The many (mostly) identical elements shared by the two films serve only to highlight the deficiencies of the newer movie's cast and crew, to say nothing of its director.

    One of the most glaring examples is that, in 1960, we don't hear the sounds of Anthony Perkins abusing himself as he watches Janet Leigh undress through a crack in the wall. In 1998, we hear Vince Vaughn fapping to Anne Heche, and an ostensibly-creepy scene becomes so silly that it fails even as inadvertent comedy.

    Van Sant doesn't seem to grasp that Norman Bates is an honest-to-God prude who would rather murder the object of his desire than admit his arousal. He wouldn't dream of touching himself. He's a Freudian archetype. He and Mother have a warped semi-sexual relationship. When he finds himself aroused by a living, breathing woman, Mother gets jealous and eliminates the competition.

    (Of course, in the 2017 TV series, Norman Bates is a closet case who ends up sleeping with another man. How surprising.)

    In 1960, when the actress playing Mrs. Chambers tells us that Norman found his mother and her lover dead together "in bed," she whispers the last two words as if they're some deep, dark secret to which the audience is becoming privy. (At that time, sex was not something that was discussed in polite company, and even a discreet, roundabout mention of it was seen as somewhat scandalous.) This adds to the characterization of a very minor character - it shows us that she's a gossip. (A certain kind of woman - an older busybody type - has always enjoyed whispering about other people's dirty little secrets.) In 1998, the actress says the words flatly, and makes no impression at all.

    When we first see the 1960-model Mrs. Bates in all her glory, her hair is combed in such a way that it conceals the fact that she's a skeleton until the last possible moment. In 1998, we see the bones several seconds before the skull face finishes its slow 360-degree turn toward the camera, spoiling the supposed surprise. And unlike Vera Miles, Julianne Moore can't scream to save her life.

    Psycho '98 is so inept that it pales in comparison even next to drek like The Silence of the Hams (1994), a staggeringly-incompetent Naked Gun-type "comedy" that borrows most of its major plot points from Hitchcock's classic. (The rest are taken from a certain well-known thriller starring Jodie Foster. Incidentally, the main character in Hams is named Jo Dee Fostar. The movie is that bad, and that dumb.)

    I wonder if, two or three decades from now, I'll find myself listening to a bad-movie lover lamenting the fact that he's too young to remember the good old days when stuff like [crappy boring remake] was being made.

    "Twenty-seventeen must have been such an interesting time to be alive," he'll say. "Why couldn't I have been born in, say, 1998, so I could have been old enough to enjoy all of that stuff when it was fresh and exciting and new? Why did I have to be born in 2019?"

    "Kid," I'll respond in my crusty-old-curmudgeon voice, "that crap was old and tired and laughable at the time it was made. Even then, we were complaining about everything."

    We'll see.

    “Is there a man alive who has never seen any of the Harry Potter movies, any of the Lord of the Rings movies, or any of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies? Is there anyone in this world who has never seen *any* of them? There’s at least one man who hasn’t – me.”
    And at least one woman–me.

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  264. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    They take some little nugget, like Wonder Woman being Israeli and non-hideous, and immediately go off on a flight of fancy, never pausing to check actual movie history or logic.
     
    Guessing that the "merchant quibbling" gene structure also expresses as the "whiny" phenotype.

    Yes Jews have got one big thing to be sore about--the Holocaust. But they'll find everything and anything--e.g. the golfocaust--to whine about.

    Jews are obviously over-represented in front of the camera as well as behind. Just not at the crazy levels of writers or studio execs. Which of course makes sense because Hollywood's Jews are making movies and TV for America's gentiles so they don't go with--obvious (explicitly Jewish phenotype)--Jews 24x7x365. That's called "business". But if say a 98% gentile nation has say 90% gentile actors ... you'll have some Jews--especially Jewish women--readily available to whine about it. It's in the DNA.

    Yes Jews have got one big thing to be sore about–the Holocaust.

    Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

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  265. syonredux says:
    @Joe Walker
    So Ashkenazis are 40% non-European? I would call that a significant amount of foreign DNA.

    So Ashkenazis are 40% non-European? I would call that a significant amount of foreign DNA.

    Not that foreign. Europeans and Middle Easterners are very closely related.

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  266. Perhaps relevant: The ubiquitous Jewish women around here in the NYC metro area use a lot of blonde hair coloring. That is to say, their expensive, gay hairdressers use it on them.

    Trying to look like somebody else?

    Well, every girl does that, but an awful lot of this type here are trying their best to look like hot shiksas. Some succeed very well! One can’t complain.

    Lots of plastic surgery too. Boob jobs and yoga pants abound…

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  267. syonredux says:
    @Romanian
    Maybe the supposed ancestors could have been leuko-ethiopians, which was apparently a thing

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Aethiopians

    People generally forget that, before the outward expansion of the Europeans throughout the world, there was also a massive contraction, in a few phases. Think of the Arabs overrunning the Middle East and Christian North Africa and, later, the Turkic conquest of Anatolia.

    Or the displacement of many tribes, including the classical Bulgarians, from Central Asia, under pressure from Asiatic migratory peoples. Or their destruction.

    These are paradigm changes that ripple onwards in time. The final cleansing of the Christian (and the most European) elements of Turkey and the Middle East took place in the early 20th century and is now undergoing a mopping up operation. Consider Lebanon's demographic transformation based on the inflow of outsiders and, now, the fertility differentials.

    So, there were once White (ish?) Africans in Ethiopia and now the have been subsumed by another race or simply lost their former countenance because of selection. What will Turkey look like in a few hundred years? Or Eastern Europe, given the gypsy element? Or Western Europe.

    Yeah. Here’s Snowden on the topic:

    The assumption that a majority of the inhabitants of north Africa such as Numidians, Gaetulians, and Moors, were blacks, is also contradicted by the ancient evidence. Classical accounts clearly distinguish between the light-skinned inhabitants of coastal northwest Africa and the darker Ethiopians who lived on the southern fringes of the area. The ancient sources also point to the presence in northwest Africa of mixed black-white types, strongly suggested by names such as Libyoaethiopes (Libyan Ethiopians), Leucoaethiopes (white Ethiopians) and Melanogeatuli (black Gaetulians), a kind of intermediate population, an amalgam of whites and Ethiopians, and by the descriptions of the Garamantes, classified in some classical texts as Ethiopians but distinguished from Ethiopians by others. [15] Classical accounts of the physical features of northwest Africans are amply confirmed by the iconographical evidence. Mosaics, sculpture in the round, and other art objects from northwest Africa depict the inhabitants as predominantly white and portray relatively few blacks, far fewer than in the art of the Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans.

    http://library.howard.edu/content.php?pid=554250

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  268. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous
    "What makes someone a Semite", you ask?

    A: A mommy Semite and a daddy Semite. In fact, it's Semites all the way down.

    “What makes someone a Semite”, you ask?

    A: A mommy Semite and a daddy Semite. In fact, it’s Semites all the way down.

    A linguist would say that a Semite is someone who speaks a Semitic language as his native tongue…

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  269. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous
    Since some Mexicans are entirely White-most Spaniards, but a few Poles, Czechs and Germans and a smattering of Mennonites-"Mexican" descent is absolute proof of nothing.

    Bach to me seems entirely white whereas Welch looks a little, but very little mestiza. I'd categorize the (once) very fine singers Linda Ronstadt and Vikki Carr as "light mestizas". I'd be the first to say my eye for these things is not world class, though.

    Bach to me seems entirely white whereas Welch looks a little, but very little mestiza.

    Nah. To my eye, she looks like a mix of Northern and Southern European.

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  270. @Rifleman
    Now the important question is - Is Linda Jean Córdova Carter White?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynda_Carter

    Carter was born in Phoenix, Arizona, the daughter of Juanita (née Córdova) and Colby Carter.

    Her father is of English and Scots-Irish ancestry, and her mother, whose family hailed from Mexico, is of Mexican, Spanish and French descent

    Or for that matter what about Catherine Bach from The Dukes of Hazzard.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Bach

    Bach was born in Warren, Ohio, the daughter of Norma Jean Kucera (née Verdugo), an acupuncturist, and Bernard Bachman, a rancher.

    Her mother was of Mexican descent and her father was of German ancestry.

    Or Raquel Welch?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raquel_Welch

    Welch was born as Jo-Raquel Tejada on September 5, 1940 in Chicago, Illinois.

    Her father, Armando Carlos Tejada Urquizo (1911–1976), was an aeronautical engineer from La Paz, Bolivia, born to Agustin Tejada and Raquel Urquizo; Welch was named after her paternal grandmother.

    Her mother, Josephine Sarah (née Hall; 1909–2000), was the daughter of architect Emery Stanford Hall and his wife Clara Louise Adams, and was of English origin, originally of Salford, Lancashire, that dated back to the Mayflower.

    Now the important question is – Is Linda Jean Córdova Carter White?
    Or for that matter what about Catherine Bach from The Dukes of Hazzard.
    Or Raquel Welch?

    Based on phenotype? Absolutely.
    Based on genotype? White enough.

    All three are cordially invited to reside in any future Hyperborean ethno-state over which I may rule. Just sayin’.

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  271. Jack D says:
    @Joe Walker
    So Ashkenazis are 40% non-European? I would call that a significant amount of foreign DNA.

    Jews have been in Europe longer than some of the local “European” populations that arrived from the east (Central Asia) after Roman times. White people are called “Caucasians” or “Aryans” – this refers to Asian lands that are further from Europe than Israel is.

    Today’s Arabs have considerable African admixture from all the slave women. The original population of the area probably looked more like Bashar Assad – in other words “white”. The real mutants are people with blonde hair in adulthood. Light skin is a common adaptation for northern latitudes and people with light skin often have light hair as infants but it usually darkens in adulthood. Blonde hair was probably some kind of sexual selection evolutionary “trick” to make females look younger than they really were. Blonde hair is something that is confined to one corner of Northern Europe – even most Europeans don’t have it. Even most Nazis didn’t have it.

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    Blonde hair is something that is confined to one corner of Northern Europe
     
    If by “confined” you mean exclusive to, that’s a pretty big “corner.” If the maps below are at all accurate, there is significant blondness over a huge area from the British Isles and Scandinavia down through the Continental alpine regions and east to Russia.

    In modern times, there are plenty of actual blond(e)s in continents that Northern Europeans colonized and settled.

    http://imgur.com/gallery/5mnYzMf

    http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/214-the-blonde-map-of-europe

    http://orig15.deviantart.net/c2f1/f/2014/252/f/4/blonde_hair_map_by_schrodinger_excidium-d7yjja3.png

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  272. @Mikey Darmody
    It saddens me that comics book adaptations are the preeminent products of our civilization, rather than space travel.
    The Israeli girl is pretty nice looking tbh. Not a knockout but a healthy-looking broad. I think she did some kind of military service.
    Do the Israelis fetishize their military women? U.S. servicewomen look like dogs generally. Maybe it is because the Israelis have mandatory service, I believe, so even the good looking girls put on the uniform. Whereas over here the US servicewomen pool is rather..... Sapphic. Or do the Israeli men just go in for the whole lady-in-uniform BDSM vibe, a lá Ilsa SheWolf of the SS? How does this square with some people's claims that the Jews aren't attracted to their own women?

    How does this square with some people’s claims that the Jews aren’t attracted to their own women?

    Sigmund Freud once told me that is because men are secretly attracted to something in a woman that reminds them of their mother. But in Jewish men this creates a cognitive dissonance that explains their susceptibility to neurosis. He wanted to call this the Portnoy Complex, but was anxious about being too far ahead of his time. You don’t believe me, do you?

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    Haha words you will only hear in reference to novelists or nannies: "I prefer Englishwomen'
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  273. @Autochthon
    It's Kat Dennings v. Milana "AT&T&A" Vayntru in a dead heat for the Most Beautiful Jewess in the World...or at least Hollywood (although Vayntrub's values are apparently hideous...but what do you expect from one of the Parasite People...).

    Speaking of goofy propaganda about Jews and beauty in stupid comic-book movies: The idea that Thor was utterly beguiled by Portman's Jane whilst Kat Dennings' character spends the whole movie running around bemoaning her inability to attract men defies all suspension of disbelief, even in a film about superheroes. Although both actresses are Jewesses, so in this case it was clearly a matter of Portman's greater star-power or whatever (not that Portman is unattractive; she's just no Kat Dennings...).

    Kat Dennings

    Come to think of it, the first thing I did after seeing Thor (2011) was hit up IMDB.com to identify the sexy high-contrast brunette who played Natalie Portman’s quirky friend.

    whilst Kat Dennings’ character spends the whole movie running around bemoaning her inability to attract men defies all suspension of disbelief

    IIRC, during said bemoaning, she was practically knocking over set pieces with her cans.
    ***sigh***
    Regardless, that sitcom she’s on now is terrible. I have a hard time looking away, but the writing is really, really bad.

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    Ain't nobody watching that show for the writing...and the producers probably know it ("Why waste talented writers where they aren't needed? Reassign those guys to shows with Lena Dunham; Kat Dennings has the ratings for her show locked in even for deaf people without closed captioning...").
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  274. @Malcolm X-Lax
    Do a Google image search of "Gal Godot," as I just did. Wanted to see for myself. Conclusion: Smoking hot.

    Do a Google image search of “Gal Godot,” as I just did.

    I followed your advice. All I got was pics of Samuel Beckett and theatrical stuff.
    You don’t believe me, do you?

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  275. @The Z Blog
    I'm not sure which would be worse for you. Is it that you think this line of attack is original or that you think anyone will fall for it?

    Regardless, you should ask Potter Stewart.

    It wasn’t a “line of attack” but an honest question. Sorry if you felt “triggered”. I’ll ask my question elsewhere, then. I just thought that since Steve has a reputation for being fact-based, I might get pointed in the right direction. Never mind, I’ll ask elsewhere. Enjoy your Intellectual Superiority.

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    No, it was not honest in the least. Your reply makes that quite clear. It's the Prog tactic of keeping the ficus on their enemy at all costs. Here, you could have replied any number of ways, but instead you implied that I was acting irrationally (triggered) and that Sailer is not acting from a basis of fact. It's standard passive-aggressive Prog rhetoric. There's nothing honest about it.

    You should try this out at Brietbart. There are people there more your speed.
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  276. @üeljang
    "Here are an Indian woman (dot, not feather) https://tinyurl.com/y99tr8hs , a Brazilian woman https://tinyurl.com/ycu8txks , and an Asian woman https://tinyurl.com/y7stoeqv ."

    One must be quite obtuse to label a woman who is evidently at least half White as "an Asian woman."

    I got that picture by Googling “asian actresses”. It was one of six or seven and that’s the one I chose. Apparently I should have specified “racially pure”. My bad.

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  277. guest says:
    @Truth

    Wonder Woman is conventionally attractive and perhaps the actress selected should have been some kind of visibly ethnic/gay/transgender…
     
    ...%95...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZNJgXcqSAg

    I would be surprised if she were a transsexual. What that guy’s noticing is not the Illuminati’s secret army of celebrity he-she’s. It’s higher culture preference for masculine-looking women.

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    Well that explanation certainly makes the idea of what they are doing; strike that, the VERY OBVIOUS idea of what they are doing, seem plausible.
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  278. @Jack D
    Jews have been in Europe longer than some of the local "European" populations that arrived from the east (Central Asia) after Roman times. White people are called "Caucasians" or "Aryans" - this refers to Asian lands that are further from Europe than Israel is.

    Today's Arabs have considerable African admixture from all the slave women. The original population of the area probably looked more like Bashar Assad - in other words "white". The real mutants are people with blonde hair in adulthood. Light skin is a common adaptation for northern latitudes and people with light skin often have light hair as infants but it usually darkens in adulthood. Blonde hair was probably some kind of sexual selection evolutionary "trick" to make females look younger than they really were. Blonde hair is something that is confined to one corner of Northern Europe - even most Europeans don't have it. Even most Nazis didn't have it.

    Blonde hair is something that is confined to one corner of Northern Europe

    If by “confined” you mean exclusive to, that’s a pretty big “corner.” If the maps below are at all accurate, there is significant blondness over a huge area from the British Isles and Scandinavia down through the Continental alpine regions and east to Russia.

    In modern times, there are plenty of actual blond(e)s in continents that Northern Europeans colonized and settled.

    Detailed blonde map of Europe

    http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/214-the-blonde-map-of-europe

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  279. guest says:
    @AnotherDad
    Gal Gadot:

    Pretty -- Yes
    Cute -- Yes
    Womanly figure -- No
    Boyish figure -- A bit. But no boys are built like that.
    Feminine -- Definitely
    MILF -- Absolutely
    Makes Another Dad's eugenic propagation list -- Yes
    Gives a flying rat's ass what any of us think -- No
    Status -- Laughing all the way to the bank.

    “But no boys are built like that”

    You miss the point. To say she’s boyish doesn’t mean she could actually pass for a boy. It means she looks like a boy compared to other full-grown women.

    Gadot is more masculine than average for a female. That doesn’t mean she necessarily looks like a man, though individual features of hers may be mistaken for male in isolation. There are girls who deviate on the other side, as well. There’s such a thing as being too feminine; see the babyface phenomenon. The ideal is to have slightly above average femininity. Or masculinity, if you’re a man.

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    You miss the point. To say she’s boyish doesn’t mean she could actually pass for a boy. It means she looks like a boy compared to other full-grown women.
     
    No point missing on my part. See my response to JackD.

    You and Jack are the ones who are confused--in your respective ways--about my response. And I don't think it's a failure in what I wrote. Gal's attractive, but has less feminine curvature--straighter mid-torso--than the norm:

    Womanly figure — No
    Boyish figure — A bit. But no boys are built like that.
     
    Frankly--being down here at the beach (well actually up this weekend visiting my boy in Savannah) AnotherMom's ideal not mine--any gal who is fit, not fat and without tats pretty much qualifies as "hot". It's a nightmare what modern young women have done to themselves.
    , @üeljang
    "There are girls who deviate on the other side, as well. There’s such a thing as being too feminine; see the babyface phenomenon."

    "Babyface" is not "feminine." This is a misunderstanding that I encounter too often these days to let pass without mention.

    In an adult human (and any non-human ape as well), a large, broad, round, flattish face, such as is often called "babyface" in common parlance, is masculine (andromorphic).

    Feminine features include:

    *A relatively narrow lower face
    *Low cheekbones (which contribute to the former)
    *Large eyes, nose, and mouth relative to the total surface area of the face
    *High color contrast

    Low cheekbones, large eyes, and high color contrast might be features that are shared with a baby's face, but the overall shape and proportions of a baby's face are more similar to a masculine adult face than to a feminine adult face.
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  280. BB753 says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Gal Gadot is not pretty.
     
    Hmmm. She’s rather fine looking for an Amazon warrior. Don’t let the fact that she’s Israeli distort your perception of aesthetics. :)

    She’s a bit lacking in the breasts department, which is a handicap when portraying Wonder Woman. And in other everyday situations.

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  281. guest says:
    @Jack D
    It seems to me that the beauty standard of some men around here is sort of fixated at the 13 year old boy or caveman level - they like women with really big chests. Anything less than 36D is some kind of Jewish conspiracy to make us all gay. Look at classical sculptures of Venus - the ideal of feminine beauty does not involve really big melons.

    You’ve set up a strawman. I, for one, did bring up breasts, but if you’ll look at my original beauty post I talked about nothing but her face. There hasn’t really been much boob talk on this thread, given the subject matter.

    I would trust the 13 year-old perspective on this issue, by the way. Presuming they’ve reached puberty and aren’t still in the coodies phase. Which isn’t to say there’s no refinement to be done on basic animal attraction when setting up standards of beauty. But let us not pretend we’re talking about sunsets or what-have-you. Feminine and masculine beauty are founded in sex, and that is founded deep within the brain.

    You’re never going to convince regular people men who look like women and women who look like men are the best-looking men and women. But propaganda can get you a long way, and people can become mightily confused. Not so much 13 year-olds who haven’t yet had their natural instincts sufficiently suppressed.

    Every supermodel ever has told stories about how they were the ugly duckling in junior high and high school, and the way these stories are told to us, it’s like we’re not supposed to believe them. Either that, or we’re supposed to think it was an injustice. But I’ve always found adolescence to be unusually just on this issue. And that’s coming from someone who had an awkward puberty. I have no trouble believing the stories. Because they’re often ugly and freakish now, or at least below the feminine ideal, so why not back then? And the 13 year-olds were more honest for pointing it out, as opposed to the general public who pretends people like Gisele Brady and Cindy Crawford are beautiful.

    (There have been suggestions that these models might have been late bloomers, but that’s not the case. Because they never bloom, first of all. Also, because they usually were quick growers, which is why they get picked to be models when they’re 16 or whatever. Because scouts look out for beanpole 16 year-olds.)

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  282. syonredux says:

    It appears that current-year Wonder Woman now officiates at same-sex weddings:

    http://lgbtincomics.tumblr.com/post/161595042171/throwback-to-that-one-time-diana-officiated-a

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  283. @Gunnar von Cowtown

    Kat Dennings
     
    Come to think of it, the first thing I did after seeing Thor (2011) was hit up IMDB.com to identify the sexy high-contrast brunette who played Natalie Portman's quirky friend.

    whilst Kat Dennings’ character spends the whole movie running around bemoaning her inability to attract men defies all suspension of disbelief
     
    IIRC, during said bemoaning, she was practically knocking over set pieces with her cans.
    ***sigh***
    Regardless, that sitcom she's on now is terrible. I have a hard time looking away, but the writing is really, really bad.

    Ain’t nobody watching that show for the writing…and the producers probably know it (“Why waste talented writers where they aren’t needed? Reassign those guys to shows with Lena Dunham; Kat Dennings has the ratings for her show locked in even for deaf people without closed captioning…”).

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  284. Dr. Doom says:

    So being unattractive is now a stereotype? Figures. Worthless degrees lead to more ignorance than illiteracy apparently. There’s nothing more topical and current than a Wonder Woman movie where she’s fighting Germans, but in a strange twist its WWI. But even though she could go toe-to-toe with Superman in a fight, Wonder Woman can still use a man for a meaningless love affair that ends in tragedy. Fortunately, Wonder Woman was made in clay and brought to life by Zeus, so someday we may see a film that’s worth watching starring this character. Its making money though, cause this is Summer and the other films are dumber than this one.

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  285. @neutral
    I might as well post this here because it is certainly related.
    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/yes-ashkenazi-jews-including-gal-gadot-are-people-of-color/

    I really don't know what more evidence one needs to show that jews are not white, if they don't see themselves as white, then how can one not accept this ? In the case of Gal Gadot, she certainly has Arabic features.

    I took my daughter to see it this morning. One thing I noticed, when before “Diana” took the mantle and when she was in her “secret identity”, her skin seemed to have much more of an olive tone. When she was in WW mode, her skin appeared, to me anyway, to be lighter.

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  286. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Anyone cares to comment on General Erich von Ludendorff, the villain in this movie, who kicked allied ass on the real Eastern and Western Fronts for 4 years until his mental breakdown in Sep. 1918 and lost two stepsons in the war, unlike todays abhorrent presidential draft-dodgers and drone-kings. I’ d pay good money to watch a serious biopic about that guy!

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  287. guest says:
    @Autochthon
    It's Kat Dennings v. Milana "AT&T&A" Vayntru in a dead heat for the Most Beautiful Jewess in the World...or at least Hollywood (although Vayntrub's values are apparently hideous...but what do you expect from one of the Parasite People...).

    Speaking of goofy propaganda about Jews and beauty in stupid comic-book movies: The idea that Thor was utterly beguiled by Portman's Jane whilst Kat Dennings' character spends the whole movie running around bemoaning her inability to attract men defies all suspension of disbelief, even in a film about superheroes. Although both actresses are Jewesses, so in this case it was clearly a matter of Portman's greater star-power or whatever (not that Portman is unattractive; she's just no Kat Dennings...).

    Kat Dennings has an underwhelming to slightly off-putting face for my taste, but I too have been struck by the oddness of her status in Hollywood. Being in the “less attractive friend” role makes some sense, if she’s going to be a comedic actress, which I guess she is, and if she doesn’t look like a leading lady, which she doesn’t. (Notvthat what passes for a leading lady is up to traditional standards of beauty.) But they should at least acknowledge that she’s attractive, aside from joking about her oversized boobs.

    Even when she played the romantic lead in one movie, she was stuck circling a definitely un-alpha loser and ended up with an at best middle of the roader. The whole time I’m thinking why aren’t more guys hitting on her? You can’t pass her off in the Kristen Stewart everygirl role.

    The AT&T&A girl has been miscast, too. You can’t tell what kind of body she has in those commercials. I required a dozen viewings before I noticed her rack. Then I saw her in a primetime soap, and she was playing the geeky second-fiddle love interest. Why? At least on Silicon Valley she was a sexpot, though she was part of a weird Satanic church.

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  288. @RedHeadedStranger
    This discussion seems to have veered away from talking about the movie and toward discussions of who is and is not Jewish and whether or not Jews should be considered White (Caucasian) and which Jewish or part-Jewish actress is prettiest.

    That being the case, maybe you folks can help me out with something.

    Most of the articles I read on the internet, when they deal with matters of race, refer to people as being white or black or yellow or brown. Other than using a Pantene scale, though, nobody seems to know exactly who should be considered a member of which race.

    Alec Wek https://tinyurl.com/ydeej2yw is a very black model.

    Iman https://tinyurl.com/yarsycrm is another black model, also from Africa but of lighter skin tone and a very Caucasian-style nose.

    Halle Berry claims to be black (the "one drop" theory?) but she's got a very light tan complexion, a very straight nose and (unless she's big on wigs) does not sport the tightly curled hair associated with the stereotypical black woman.

    This picture https://tinyurl.com/ybhm32eq I found by Googling "scandinavian blonde women".

    Somewhere out there -- sorry, I couldn't find it -- is a picture series/album that some photographer put together of women all over the world. The various skin tones blend into each other, some have thin lips while others have thick ones, thin noses and flat noses...

    In a world where people talk about religions (Jewish, most obviously) as though they were races and where it's often impossible to tell one "race" from another what is a polite fellow to do? Especially since, in today's world, it's so easy for people to "take offense" over being mis-identified?

    Here are an Indian woman (dot, not feather) https://tinyurl.com/y99tr8hs , a Brazilian woman https://tinyurl.com/ycu8txks , and an Asian woman https://tinyurl.com/y7stoeqv .

    Help a guy out?

    “White” covers a lot of ground.

    The good folks on this board can narrow it down a bit, and tell you if you’re Nordid, Dalo-Faelid, Atlantid, Baltid, Borreby, Brunn, Mediterranid, or whatever:

    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?25-Taxonomy

    Note that I’m not endorsing the site. I don’t post there myself. But it is interesting to read through some of the threads.

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  289. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Trelane
    Hedy Lamarr was not only beautiful, she was also highly intelligent. She invented a form of radio modulation called "frequency hopping" when she was only 28 years old. This is especially impressive since she had no training (formal or otherwise) in radio engineering and had left school as a teen to pursue an acting career in Berlin. Today, all of our advanced radio techiniques such as cell phones, wifi, satellites and blue tooth use this technology developed by Hedy. Frederick Emmons Terman must have been blown away by this chick. Howard Hughes offered her a job at his aircraft company and I don't blame him. According to the Internet Hedy Lamarr may have been among the smartest women ever to have lived, right up there with Oprah Winfrey (largest head/brain on record) and Grace Hopper (inventer of computer programming).

    While reasonably intelligent, more so than average really, Lamarr did not really “invent” frequency hopping-she along with many others imagined it, and she happened to be the one to file patent papers. Her actual scheme would never have really worked.

    Otherwise perfectly legitimate inventions have had their patents minimized or invalidated based on “prior art” that consisted of passages in science fiction pulp novels, or in at least one case, MAD magazine.

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    Thank you! I really wish we could get the public layman to understand that patenting an invention does not require that the invention actually function as it is speculated to in the patent, or that so much as even a prototype made with popsicle-sticks has ever been made.

    This outfit can be – and something like it probably has been – patented. Those who think the patent is particularly significant are invited to test the invention for themselves. (When I taught, I used to keep a slew of preposterous patents on file to reinforce the point to my students, but I don't have any of them handy anymore.)
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  290. guest says:
    @Opinionator
    "bump in nose"??

    That’s how I put it, though maybe that’s not correct. I’m not an expert on nose shape. But as I said in another post, high fashion models are supposed to have both noses that stand out and deep indentations where the nose meets the brow.* This at least makes it appear as though they have bumps in the ridge of their noses.

    Look at Gadot’s face in profile. You’ll see what I mean. If there’s a better term for it than a bump, I’ll gladly adopt it.

    *Presumably because that’s how men’s faces work, and the fashion industry is run by homos. I can’t think of any other explanation.

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  291. @Jack D
    Hedy Lamarr invented frequency hopping in the same way that those black lady mathematicians sent us to the moon. She had an idea for how to do it and worked with a guy who actually had some training and what they came up with was to use the mechanism from a player piano - actually 2 of them. Both the transmitter and the receiver would have to be perfectly synched at the beginning and stay in synch for this to work - any drift and they would be tuned to different frequencies and stop talking to each other. Their "invention" led to zero real world products. When real frequency hopping was perfected decades later it was electronic and had nothing to do with their crude mechanical approach.

    Thank you for clarifying this point; Lamarr’s idea was brilliant and insightful, but I weary of those who conflate dreaming of an idea with implementing it (the latter is nearly always worlds of magnitude more difficult). Telecommunications is an area of my work, so these kinds of glosses in that context especially irk me; you want to cite geniuses of modern techniques, discuss code-division multiple access, Andrew Viterbi, Antonio Franklin, and Irwin Jacobs – nearly everyone laughed at these guys and their idea. The establishment assured all that CDMA was pysically and mathematically impossible.

    So they implemented it themselves, and now their chips (or chips using the technology they developed) are in every cellular modem on the planet.

    This business that so-and-such female or brown person invented thus-and-so because they once mentioned it as a cool idea is as valid as the contention that Edgar Rice Burroughs invented the means to travel to Mars or Jules Verne invented modern nuclear submarines. It’s baloney. Mind you, great artists and authors, especially those who know what they are talking about, such as Heinlein and Asimov did, can indeed serve as catalysts and visionaries whose ideas advance the state of the art, but let’s not confuse them with the guys who actually realise those visions.

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    So Hedy Lamarr was closer to "I am Tondelayo" than she was to scientific genius.
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  292. @Malcolm X-Lax
    Do a Google image search of "Gal Godot," as I just did. Wanted to see for myself. Conclusion: Smoking hot.

    If I were a more established commentor here, I would have LOL’d, because that’s what I did.

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  293. @Moshe
    When I lived in Israel it was as an American and I was not in the army. I could have been but I was terrified of losing some kind of celestial battle and ending up as a jobnik rather than working intelligence or infantry.

    Anyhow, I, and my foreign colleagues who actually were in uniform, found the Israeli soldier girls breathtaking. It almost looked like they were ALL literally stunning, which obviously could not have been the case.

    I never quite analyzed it but I guess it has to do with the fact that they're all physically fit and that being in the army doesn't detract from their femininity because ALL girls are in the army, so their self confidence doesn't effect their natural submissveness to men.

    Or something like that.

    As for American women in the army. Yes, most look like dogs but not all.

    I ----

    Oh no, I was about to mention a girl I knew going into the marines when I worked near 29 palms but I looked her name up and---- either it's not her (it's been a decade) of maybe women don't improve with age.

    Okay!

    Next topic.

    How does this square with some people’s claims that the Jews aren’t attracted to their own women?
     
    I can guess at one element in play and can speak more personally to another.

    My guess is that back in the immigrant days shiksas who could afford the lifestyle and makeup to look pretty looked better than Jewish washerwomen and also promised a better life, obviously enhancing their prettiness.

    The same is true in the chassidic world today although their fantasy is for a modern orthodox or non orthodox jewish woman, for the same reason.

    One I can speak to more personally is that, on average, Jewish women can be more of an emotional handful than non-jewish women. I don't know how much of this is cultural and how much is genetic, but American Jewish women, JAPs, can be difficult. At least for Jews.

    As for general attractiveness, I can only speak for myself. I find good-looking Jewish girls far far cuter than good-looking non Jewish girls.

    Obviously this only relates to the respective good looking ones in each category, but I have no interest in "hot" girls as conpared with "cute" ones.

    The former look like manly sluts to me and the latter like smiley cuddly feminine beauties.

    The whole blond and tall thing is probably for the sort of men who take pride in their penis size (a concept I first heard of about ten years ago and sincerely thought it was a female-created joke until really recently) and who enjoy waking up to creatures with a square jaw and cold eyes while the latter is for men who enjoy being funny and playing around and want to wake up to a light brown haired girl-looking-girl with curves and with less than 4 feet of washboard abs between their upper curves and lower ones.

    The ideal of course is a Non-Jap with these physical attributes.

    Thankfully in America they are fairly common, although the grotesque bleached blonde thing self-selects a number from circulation.

    That sounds like a fair assessment. To the degree it keeps them in shape, female military service is a positive.
    I think in Bonfire of the Vanities there was a Jewish junior prosecutor who was ashamed of how his wife had morphed into a plump shtetl babushka once she had kids. The converse is McCoy’s blonde shiksa wife who starved herself of all fats a