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From CBS Sports in 2017:

FC Dallas under-15 boys squad beat the U.S. Women’s National Team in a scrimmage
The match was in preparation for Thursday’s USWNT friendly versus Russia

@rgonzalezcbs
Apr 4, 2017 at 3:44 pm ET • 1 min read

In preparation for two upcoming friendlies against Russia, the U.S. women’s national team played the FC Dallas U-15 boys academy team on Sunday and fell 5-2, according to FC Dallas’ official website.

U-15 means Under 15 Years Old.

… Of course, this match against the academy team was very informal and should not be a major cause for alarm. The U.S. surely wasn’t going all out, with the main goal being to get some minutes on the pitch, build chemistry when it comes to moving the ball around, improve defensive shape and get ready for Russia. …

The game will, however, serve as a great anecdote for the kids on the FC Dallas squad to tell their grandchildren about one day. It also speaks highly of the level of academy development MLS teams are doing these days.

My 1997 National Review article “Track and Battlefield” remains about the best quantitative analysis of differences in men and women athletes’ performance in any one sport: Olympic track.

I was asked why the US Women’s team dominates women’s soccer but the US Men’s team does not dominate men’s soccer:

America dominates women’s soccer for the same reason South Korea dominates women’s golf: because nobody else cares.

 
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  1. … Of course, this match against the academy team was very informal and should not be a major cause for alarm.

    Would they be saying that if it was the men’s soccer team? But it would never be the men’s soccer team.

  2. Nathan says:

    Question: if other countries had Title IX style regulations, would their women’s teams stand a better chance at soccer? I think so.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  3. An Aussie says:

    Women can do anything men can do. Including being beaten at sport.

    Sweden women beaten by U-17 team missing one defender: https://www.thelocal.se/20130116/45646

    Sweden’s women’s national football team suffered a crushing defeat during a friendly in Stockholm on Tuesday, with the country’s top female players finding themselves shutout by an undermanned local boys team.

    The new national team coach Pia Sundhage, who returned home last year after taking charge of the US team for several years, decided to let her players tackle the male youth team for Stockholm football club AIK.

    Within 30 minutes, the boys had plucked one goal from the women, despite Sundhage asking the AIK under-17 team to take out one of its defenders and play with only 10 players on the field, reports the tabloid Aftonbladet.

    Australian women beaten 7-0 by U-16 team: https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/australian-womens-national-team-lose-70-to-team-of-15yearold-boys-a3257266.html

    Australia’s women’s football team are ranked the fifth best side in world football. So how did they lose 7-0 to a collection of 15-year-old boys?

    It is the question gripping the Matildas, who will be targeting a medal at the Rio Olympics in August, after they were embarrassed by the Newcastle Jets under-16s side on Wednesday.

    • Replies: @c matt
  4. Something needs to be done about the toxic masculinity of those boys.

  5. 68W58 says:

    It’s fairly common-the Australian National team also lost to some adolescent boys by a similar score a few years ago. Frankly the WNBA champions (or all stars for that matter) would lose, badly, to any boys state championship caliber high school team. Pat Summit used to ask boys who had played in high school to scrimmage her Lady Vols teams and she had to place restrictions such as “no play above the rim” on them so that her women could get something out of the workout. The list goes on and on, but you can’t contradict the “stronk wahmen” propaganda of the current age with actual facts, that’s bad form in clown world.

  6. Hater. How sexist to imply that the greatest women’s soccer team in history is no better than a team of high school boys.

    • Replies: @Dave the Rave
  7. U-15 means Under 15 Years Old.

    So the U.S. women’s national team wasn’t beaten by the crew of U-boat 15?

    • Replies: @Simon Tugmutton
  8. Voltara says:

    The Australian team was beaten in a practice match by a suburban U/16 boys team, 7-0

  9. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    OT:
    Barren Doe Dep’t:

    A Mountaineer’s Choice to Never Have Kids

    The accomplished alpinist Lydia Bradey looks back at her life, 31 years after making the decision to get sterilized.

    Lydia Bradey always knew she didn’t want kids of her own. She knew that when she was 18, and had already summited both of New Zealand’s most famous peaks, Mount Aspiring and Mount Cook. She didn’t change her mind at 19, when she attempted the south face of Alaska’s Denali, nor at 26, when she became the first woman to climb an 8,000-metre Himalayan peak, Gasherbrum II in the Karakorum range, alpine-style without oxygen.

    In 1986, after Gasherbrum, she made the decision to get sterilized. “I wanted to travel the world, be a mountaineer, and have adventures,” Bradey, who is from New Zealand, recalls. “It was a pretty simple decision at the time.”

    In 1987, she became the first woman to summit Everest without oxygen.

    Bradey grew up as the only child of a single mother. From a young age, she learned that being a good parent required an incredible amount of time and attention. With her climbing career gaining momentum each year, she didn’t have those hours to give to a child. “I didn’t want to risk doing something so very important badly,” says Bradey, now 55. “And for me, there were other things in the world than having children.”

    When she raised the topic of the tubal ligation procedure—sterilization—with doctors in her early 20s, they advised her that she was too young to make such a decision. But in her mind, her chosen profession as an expedition mountaineer and the required months spent traveling should have been added justification for procedure. “I remember being frustrated because the doctors would never ask me what I was passionately interested in. I felt that had they understood, they would have reacted differently, along the lines of ‘Oh, well if you want to be a mountaineer, now we understand—so yes, we’ll give you a sterilization.’”

    https://getpocket.com/explore/item/a-mountaineer-s-choice-to-never-have-kids?utm_source=pocket-newtab

  10. Hail says: • Website

    Has a soccer team of Trans American females ever been assembled? How would they fare against the current US Women’s team?

  11. The top 10 boys 800m track times are all 5.5s + faster than Jarmila Kratchvilova WR 1:53.28. JK was part of an Eastern Bloc doping and training machine. Of course 11 great 15U boys can work together to beat 11 women on the soccer pitch. How different would the world be if Bobby Riggs hadn’t laid down for BJK?

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    , @anon
  12. These women need to take on a team of 55 year-old men next time, a la Billy Jean King against Bobby Riggs. They may have a fighting chance then. That is, of course, if the 55-y/o men don’t practice for a couple of months beforehand as with Bobby Riggs.

    You know, even though the stupidity had already started back in the early 1970’s, at least even the feminism was not taken seriously by most (maybe part of the problem). Peak Stupidity on “The Fun Feminism of the 1970’s (with reference to info from Taki-something-or-other of Takimag, who was a serious tennis player and knew the people involved).

    If we’re going to get all nostalgic here, how about a great Elton John song, that he wrote in honor of the women’s tennis league team, the Philadelphia Freedoms:

  13. @Hail

    Honestly, I’m not sure if she can play soccer in those heels, but here’s a Trans Am female:

    Caesar, you magnificent bastard, I read your comments!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @mmack
  14. @Achmed E. Newman

    Ohh, it may be a Firebird.

    NEVERMIND!

  15. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:

    Canada’s women’s hockey teams used to prepare for their 10-nothing drubbings of Slovakia and Russia by playing against similarly aged boys with similar results.

    • Replies: @Chuckywelfarecheese
  16. should not be a major cause for alarm. The U.S. surely wasn’t going all out

    Just like the time the Cleveland Cavaliers lost that exhibition game to a high school girls team and that one girl kept overpowering Lebron.

    I’d find you the link but I think Google has buried it on purpose.

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  17. poolside says:

    Boys teams regularly beat senior women’s squads in tune-up matches.

    The whole reason the women schedule these is because they can’t compete against men’s teams, and for a national team, there is no comparable domestic competition among women.

    So playing a club or academy U15/U17 team gives the women a speedy, skilled opponent without the physical mismatch that a men’s team would bring.

    Anyone who has ever watched boys’ and girls’ teams train at the same time will tell you that boys are simply stronger, faster and more physical than the girls, and of course the gap gets worse as the boys become men.

    I’d be willing to bet the USWNT will no longer schedule these types of matches. Or if they do, it will be under the tightest security with all kinds of rules about releasing details. The results are simply too embarrassing to the “grrrlll power” narrative.

    • Replies: @Prosa123
  18. Tiny Duck says:

    The women’s team are champions. They earn more money than the men and need to be payed as such. If you don’t support tg mnyiurare You are a traitor

    Black Men dominate man sports

    white girls dominate female sports

    No wonder they go so well together and produce such strong children

    Read Adam Serwer and Leonard Pitts

    • Troll: BengaliCanadianDude
    • Replies: @liljoe
    , @Marty T
  19. It might be fun to see how young boys have to be before the women’s world cup team can beat them. I’d guess maybe U-13. And not a national team but a local or regional team like the Dallas FC. P.S. Women’s World Cup Soccer So White!

  20. Anonymous[274] • Disclaimer says:

    The yardstick that is used to measure how far a country has gone progressing in football is how they match against the “Big Three”(Brazil, Italy and Germany) against their *male* national selects. Just beating one of those three national selects in a World Cup usually results in national pride even if your country gets eliminated in your next game.

    This underage boys’ football team would have lost very, very badly to even a B-tier male national select. Against one of the Big Three, they would not only not be able to have scored any goal, but the only reason why they wouldn’t lose 12-0 or 15-0 is because those national selects would hold back the whole game since they would be playing boys and not men and they wouldn’t want to humiliate them. Humliating children is not very manly.

    Until an American team beats the *male* Brazilian National Select, I remain unimpressed.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  21. Daniel H says:

    America dominates women’s soccer for the same reason South Korea dominates women’s golf: because nobody else cares.

    Ouch.

  22. Spangel says:

    The silliest thing about the media’s current fascination with the us women’s soccer team is not that they are pretending these women could count as objectively great athletes. What’s silly is that they treat the us team’s dominance as a reason to get interested in the sport.

    How does a sport become interesting when the competition is least developed and far less well funded?

    It reminds me of the us basketball team going to then olympics in the 90s. Those were the stupidest games.

  23. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    That would be somewhat intramural…

  24. prosa123 says: • Website

    I have to agree with what CBS said at the time: the women were not going all-out. Male athletic advantages have their limits when you’re talking about young boys vs. adult women. For example, there’s probably no athletic event in which males have a greater advantage over females than bench pressing. In the 132-pound weight class, I chose that because there are a good number of women competing at that level, the world record for a boy in the 13-15 age range is 259 pounds, while the all-ages female record is 300 pounds.

  25. syonredux says:
    @prosa123

    I have to agree with what CBS said at the time: the women were not going all-out.

    The US Men’s national team wouldn’t have to go “all out” to defeat a team of U-15 boys.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  26. Spangel says:
    @prosa123

    Bench pressing is almost purely physical though isn’t it? Pre pubertal boys have marginal physical advantages over girls the same age in terms of stregnth and speed, but the strategic advantage emerges really young.

    Even when I took my then 4 year old daughter to play in a coed soccer team, the boys were far more strategically advanced and skilled in terms of dexterity. The games would essentially be boys playing against boys with girls taking minor roles on the sidelines. The girls didn’t seem to notice or be bothered by the fact that they weren’t as good.

  27. @Buzz Mohawk

    Yeah, it needs to be allowed to develop for a few more years, ’til it’s fully-formed. It’ll be interesting to hear what platoon of justification hamsters comes spilling out of these miss-creants’ whiny-holes and their apologists’. Objective reality wins again.

  28. @prosa123

    Who seriously believes the US Women’s team would just allow themselves to get publicly beaten by a bunch of boys under fifteen? They lost, for real.

    • Replies: @guest
  29. Altai says:

    I’m just surprised nobody is raising much issue with how undiverse team USA and the other Western teams are. Team USA is highly WASP-German-Irish. As many a female Jewish NYT columnist born 1940-1970 might exclaim, they’re an aggressively Nordic looking tall athletic bunch.

    Might much of their appeal lie in how they represent core America in a way it’s not accustomed to outside the Winter Olympics. It’s an echo of a country most of them remember, for a moment they see an America that makes them feel good and comfortable, no longer anxious and on edge.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    , @TWS
    , @Fredrik
  30. Forbes says:

    why the US Women’s team dominates women’s soccer but the US Men’s team does not dominate men’s soccer?

    Men’s soccer is played everywhere in the world at every level. Boys/men club/amateur/professional/national teams.

    The US is the only country with organized, sanctioned interscholastic and intercollegiate girls/women sports.

    Or, as Steve says, nobody else cares.

  31. guest says:

    I wonder if Americans care about women’s soccer either. Periodically, I suppose. When there are giant advertising campaigns like the one I remember from the mid-90s. Then everybody forgets.

  32. Dr. X says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Something needs to be done about the toxic masculinity of those boys.

    Any day now some Democrat will probably sponsor legislation requiring mandatory M to F transitioning…

  33. guest says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The sun was in their eyes and they didn’t get a good night’s sleep. Also, they didn’t really care and it was on a lark and why do you imagine otherwise, sexist?

    • LOL: Kratoklastes
  34. Considering the fact the boys were constantly adjusting their shorts, it’s not surprising the score was that close.

  35. guest says:
    @Hail

    Individual events are one thing, but it might be difficult to assemble an entire team of men with boobies who excel at soccer.

  36. Thomm says:
    @prosa123

    I have to agree with what CBS said at the time: the women were not going all-out.

    Good, then how about the US Women’s team face a team of age-55+ ex soccer legends (male)?

    I think Maradona, Baresi, Matthaus, Platini, Gullit, etc. at their current ages could still beat any woman’s soccer team.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  37. @prosa123

    Didn’t realize futbol required a significant amount of upper body strength. Speed, endurance and agility win on the pitch, and an elite group of 13-15 year old boys would have that in spades.

    • Replies: @prosa123
  38. TWS says:
    @prosa123

    You’re wrong. Women basketball and soccer teams regularly get owned by boys teams. Girls college teams regularly lose to boys high school and middle School teams.

  39. The score tells the story 5-2. And this has happened all over the world, with young teen boy teams beating the top women’s teams.

  40. @syonredux

    The US Men’s national team wouldn’t have to go “all out” to defeat a team of U-15 boys.

    Sure they would. If the boys were from Munich, Turin, or the bairros and várzeas of São Paulo.

    The Cradle of Brazilian Soccer

  41. America dominates women’s soccer for the same reason South Korea dominates women’s golf: because nobody else cares.

    That’s how Angelica, N.Y., population 869, became the world capital of roque. It’s called “differential erosion”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roque

  42. PaceLaw says:

    Yeah, I have to agree: who the hell cares about women’s soccer? It’s kinda like players in the WNBA complaining about their lack of media exposure: who the hell cares about women’s basketball (other than lesbians)?

    • Replies: @Rouetheday
  43. nglaer says:

    I was curious whether international women’s soccer was better than the prep school soccer I played in the late 60’s. I watched for a while and concluded that it was. But I guess a good contemporary U-15 boys team could probably beat us too, though we had a lot of 16 and 17 year olds. .

  44. Rosie says:

    Who seriously believes the US Women’s team would just allow themselves to get publicly beaten by a bunch of boys under fifteen? They lost, for real.

    I admire them for playing the game knowing that they might lose. That shows grace and a love of sport for it’s own sake IMO. Evidently, they’re not overly concerned about what people will say about them.

    I’ve been giving a lot of thought to the soccer–girl hate lately. We all know that women cannot compete with men (or even teens) in various sports. That’s why we have different leagues for men and women, or at least used to…Anyway, I think what some find objectionable about it is the masculinity of these girls: the competitiveness spirit and the pride that they show. This seems to trigger a need to spiteful need to knock them down a few pegs among some men, I assume because there is a concern that this competitive drive might manifest itself in other (more threatening) ways.

    In any event, individuals do not always conform with the usual expectations for their sex, and there’s really no reason to get worked up about it.

  45. Medvedev says:
    @prosa123

    Nobody in the right mind will believe that US national team didn’t go all-out and wanted to be humiliated by a bunch of boys.

    As for the powerlifting not a valid comparison:
    1. Males are 5-6 inches taller on average, bigger and stronger.
    2. Female powerlifters on cycle have testosterone level several times higher than average male.
    3. Boys at 13-15 age may have good speed and endurance (obviously below of a grown-up man), but won’t have the strength of an adult male.

    • Replies: @a boy and his dog
  46. Mr. Anon says:

    Asked to explain their opponents defeat, a spokesman for the Dallas U-15 boys academy team was quoted as saying “They played like girls”.

    • LOL: Autochthon, TWS
  47. syonredux says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The US Men’s national team wouldn’t have to go “all out” to defeat a team of U-15 boys.

    Sure they would. If the boys were from Munich, Turin, or the bairros and várzeas of São Paulo.

    14 year-old boys are that fast and strong?

    • Replies: @BB753
    , @Autochthon
    , @Brutusale
  48. Medvedev says:
    @Rosie

    This seems to trigger a need to spiteful need to knock them down

    People didn’t seem to be bothered for decades. And supported female athletes who represented their country/state/city/school/etc as they support male athletes … to the lesser extent, cause female sports usually less exciting unless it’s volleyball or tennis 🙂

    What ‘triggers’ people when MSM and feminists start to push it down your throat, parading it as example that females are as strong as males “You go girl, female empowerment”, demanding ‘equality and equal pay’, just like Rapinoe and other feminists demanded few hours ago
    https://sports.yahoo.com/uswnt-unleashes-ultimate-equal-pay-battle-cry-in-winning-world-cup-203042733.html
    when there are obviously fewer people who watch female version of soccer or World cup.

  49. @Rosie

    “I’ve been giving a lot of thought to the soccer–girl hate lately. ” It is really only a dislike of Rapinoe. And perhaps all the grrll power crap that gets shoved in our faces.

  50. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    It’s being used by the media and elites to promote a certain social, cultural, and political agenda. Otherwise, nobody would get worked up about it because nobody would hear about it because as Steve says, nobody cares, and the media coverage and public discourse would reflect this disinterest. Instead, we’re saturated with it.

    Their competitive drive is manifesting itself precisely in those things that women have a disadvantage in, which is why they lose to teenage boys. The only way they could “threaten” men by outcompeting them is in things that women have an advantage over men in, like homemaking and being mothers.

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen girls or women play pickup soccer or basketball games in a park. Boys and men do it all the time. They arrange and play completely informal pickup games.

  51. Spangel says:
    @Rosie

    I think Steve is taking a jab at women’s soccer because the establishment media is so obsessed with the us women’s soccer team as of late and they have a desire to elevate women’s soccer to the level of a major American sport. For the media sjws, the great American team sports should include football, baseball, basketball and women’s soccer. As if women’s soccer merits that level of admiration and attention.

    But in any case, I see some point to what you are saying. Male combat instincts, aggressiveness and violence are severely curtailed in modern society. It’s not necessarily a bad thing, but in humanity’s relatively recent advancement well beyond fights to the death or spear hunting animals or training for direct armed combat, the only physical competition modern day men have left is sports. Because of that, some men greatly exaggerate the sense of masculine pride or combative effort that comes along with these sports.

    Realistically, hand to hand combat in a medieval war is not for women. But soccer is a safe suburban sport that is a perfectly approrpriate activity for girls to do with one and other. Soccer is not a feat of masculinity that only twisted sjw dykes would brainwash women into playing.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
  52. BB753 says:
    @syonredux

    The average ten year old boy is stronger and faster than the average adult woman.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @bomag
  53. Anon7 says:

    You just don’t understand that women soccer players work harder than the men! That’s why they deserve to be paid more.

    I’ll let Alex Morgan explain it:

    “We have to do more in general–we have to be the athlete, we have to be the role model, we have to lead the way for the next generation,” Morgan explained to Time. “Are male athletes doing that? Are they thinking about anyone other than themselves? I don’t know. We do have more than one job within this role, and are getting paid much less.”

    Here she is demonstrating a celebratory twerk in the locker room after the World Cup win while acting as a role model to young girls all over the world at the same time.

    It’s called multitasking, boys.

    • Replies: @Anon
  54. Matra says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I thought it was funny that some Afghans brought Indian flags just to provoke the Pakistani supporters. So much for Muslim solidarity.

  55. Anonymous[153] • Disclaimer says:

    More Nipsey news:

    Megan Rapinoe quotes Nipsey Hussle in celebratory World Cup post

  56. @syonredux

    It’s about motivation and adrenaline: in São Paulo the adolescent boys must outrun the Brasilian criminals and child-rapists; in München and Torino, of course, they must outrun the African and Asian criminals and child-rapists. Serendipitously, this activity is damned good conditioning for soccer….

  57. newrouter says:
    @Rosie

    >and there’s really no reason to get worked up about it.<

    The lesbian kickball team is fabulous in a "pride" way.

  58. prosa123 says: • Website
    @Ron Mexico

    Didn’t realize futbol required a significant amount of upper body strength. Speed, endurance and agility win on the pitch, and an elite group of 13-15 year old boys would have that in spades.

    Of all sports-related physical attributes upper body strength is likely the one with the greatest gap between males and females. Even so, in bench pressing, the sporting event that’s the best test of upper body strength, adult women do better, at least at the elite level, than boys in their early teens. Male advantages in speed, endurance and agility are not as pronounced, and therefore young boys should have less of a natural advantage if any over elite women in soccer.

    Come to think of it, males of any age don’t necessarily have any advantage over women in terms of endurance. If a man and a woman both train to run a marathon the man almost certainly will be able to run it in less time, but it’s not going to be any easier for him to do the training in the first place.

    • Replies: @Spangel
    , @Autochthon
    , @bomag
    , @TWS
  59. @Rosie

    For me it’s not that they’re competitive, it’s that they’re obnoxious. If men acted the way these women do, with their smirking and faux tough guy posturing, people would love it if another team wiped the floor with them. The actress, Brie Larson seems to have the same effect on people.

    Women often say “no one would have a problem if a guy did it” when the opposite in the case.

    • Agree: Cortes, c matt
    • Replies: @Marty T
  60. Magyar says:

    Fully grown athletic women are easily subdued in almost all althletic events by skilled mid-puberty males. I played water polo and judo and by the time I was 16, could and did dominate Olympic level females in both sports.

    Just goes to show: testosterone is helluva drug.

  61. Spangel says:
    @prosa123

    But the upper body stregnth difference you refer to is between men and women, not pre pubertal boys and girls. If you had six year old girls bench press vs six year old boys, I would expect the difference in records to be quite small.

    Under 15 yr old boys are boys who have only just stared going through puberty, where men develop major size, strength and speed advantages vs women. The reason the u15 team was better is not primarily because of better physical prowess (as it would be with bench pressing), but because of more effective strategy while playing.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @ben tillman
  62. The game will, however, serve as a great anecdote for the kids on the FC Dallas squad to tell their grandchildren about one day. It also speaks highly of the level of academy development MLS teams are doing these days.

    That’s some Winston Smith-quality narrative rebuilding there.

    The WNBA and the women’s soccer leagues of the 1990’s were promoted in terms of the players being heroines and role models for girls.

    In this decade, the idea of female players being hero-worshiped by boys is being pushed as a corrective to toxic masculinity, or presented as as if it’s already the case.

    In the 90’s it was all about how they don’t need men to take them seriously, they’re doing it for themselves. In this decade, it’s all about how men are required to take them seriously.

  63. They were supposed to win….but…they got schlonged.

  64. syonredux says:
    @BB753

    The average ten year old boy is stronger and faster than the average adult woman.

    But Reg is talking about 14 year-old boys competing against fully-grown men….

  65. @prosa123

    I’m not being mean or sarcastic, but: Have you ever run a marathon? Or have you female friends who have? Women not built like rails are hosed right from the get-go; having boobies flopping around (one friend of mine must wear two sports-bras to keep hers in check) and hips (which simply destroy the efficiency of one’s stride) is murder. Aside from that their lungs are smaller, their hearts smaller, and their bones not as dense. That’s all to do with endurance. Nevermind musculature. (Really, all these things are to so with both endurance and speed, but I’m indulging the false dichotomy as far as I can.) Apples to apples, females don’t stand a chance against males with comparable conditioning.

    Endurance qua endurance? Well, even the longest ultra-marathons are dominated by males, so I don’t reckon that’s the ticket, either. Likewise with similar tests of endurance: males, not females, excel in situations like SERE training, field exercises for special forces, forced marches, iron-man events….

    I’m not buying it. Among humans, and, for that matter, most mammals exhibiting sexual dimorphism, females excel at incubating and nursing babies – that’s not an insult; that is incomparably important! – while males excel at defence and provision, and are therefore superiour specimens as against external, physical trials. Females do, however, so better at managing pain, illness, and aging, so they win the longest endurance event of all via an edge in longevity.

  66. syonredux says:
    @Spangel

    Under 15 yr old boys are boys who have only just stared going through puberty,

    Don’t most boys start puberty at about 12-13?

    where men develop major size, strength and speed advantages vs women. The reason the u15 team was better is not primarily because of better physical prowess (as it would be with bench pressing), but because of more effective strategy while playing.

    Dunno. When I was 14, I was already much stronger than my female phys-ed teacher.

  67. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Related, this guy is such a cuck. New York investment banker.

    • Replies: @BigDickNick
    , @ben tillman
  68. @Rosie

    I admire them for playing the game knowing that they might lose.

    That is a good point. Maybe they did know that losing was a possibility.

    Steve’s post doesn’t contain any spite aimed at the team. (Also, since you quoted my statement, I will add that my comments are not spiteful either.) What many are upset about is not the women themselves, but the unrealistic push for us to ignore reality.

    The facts, such as this defeat by boys, point to real differences in some abilities between women and men that forces today are trying to deny. We the public are being bombarded with propaganda to that effect, along with things like agitation for equal pay, etc. What the defeat shows is that there is little comparison between women’s and men’s soccer, as with most other sports.

    There are two sexes, and they are different. Who knew?

    As far as men feeling threatened by any of this? Nah. We just don’t find masculine women attractive.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @guest
  69. Magyar says:

    True story. Back in the mid 90s, girls water polo became quite the thing at high school and college level. I remember we (boys) had to play an exhibition game against a girls team.

    We were explicitly told by our coaches and HS administrators:

    Girls are just as capable as boys. Play ‘em like they’re boys.

    And so we did. We played them like we played our opponents but this time it was like playing 10 year old boys when it came to size, speed, strength, ability to hold their position in thewater, eat an elbow to the face etc etc

    End of first quarter – same coach:

    Whoa! Whoa! Take it easy out there guys. Don’t beat ‘me up. They’re just girls.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  70. Rosie says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The facts, such as this defeat by boys, point to real differences in some abilities between women and men that forces today are trying to deny. We the public are being bombarded with propaganda to that effect, along with things like agitation for equal pay, etc. What the defeat shows is that there is little comparison between women’s and men’s soccer, as with most other sports.

    Radicals with an agenda often make life more difficult for people who just want to be left alone to do their thing, unfortunately.

  71. Aside from this single event once every four years, women’s soccer is for sure a money-loser. If your country has enough megacorps willing to virtue-signal by financing the team through net-loss advertising, you can win. Budweiser had an ad in today’s NYT touting their support for the women’s professional league, something along the lines of “we’ll be there.. not just every 4 years.” US vs. England, US vs. Netherlands, the players on these teams are among the most privileged groups of people in the world. You’re never going to see a non-G8 country win the women’s World Cup, and probably won’t see countries outside the G20 do anything but get trounced. The men’s game (apparently our boys just lost to Mexico, unimaginable for our girls) is a function of population size, tradition, and national interest in the sport. I’ve never watched a full match played by either sex, but even to someone as dumb as me, these patterns seem apparent.

  72. GMR says:

    Australia’s women’s team lost to a team of 15 year old boys:

    https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/australian-womens-national-team-lose-70-to-team-of-15yearold-boys-a3257266.html

    Australia’s WT lost 7-0, but the boys they were playing were 15 year olds, while the USNWT played under 15s.

    In 2013, The Swedish National Women’s team lost to a local U17 boys team 3-0. This was after Sweden had been runners up to the World Cup:

    https://www.thelocal.se/20130116/45646

    In 2012, the US U17 MNT beat the USWNT by a score of 8-2 in a closed door scrimmage.

  73. @Medvedev

    Sports like powerlifting, bodybuilding, etc. also require a lot of effort to build the muscles, which is why you see relatively older people in the top tiers. Testosterone doesn’t do that all by itself. Arnold said a top bodybuilder usually needs at least 10 years of training.

    • Replies: @prosa123
  74. First the women’s team kool-aid drinkers insist that the gals deserve equal pay largely because the men’s team is such rubbish — my god, they just lost to Trinidad and Tobago! And you want to pay them more??

    Then in the next breath they’ll tell you how good that under-15 team FC Dallas team is. That’s one of the best developmental teams out there, they say. No shame in losing to them!

  75. Anon[168] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon7

    So? People who work at Subway do a lot of jobs. They have to make the sandwiches, cut the veggies, bake the bread, clean the containers, sweep up, etc. etc. So why don’t they get paid as much as lawyers? Also, it’s a real job that provides a needed service. So people who work at Subway should make more.

    I don’t have time to keep up with Rosie’s novels, but either she is being disingenuous or doesn’t follow current events.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/06/ugh-us-womens-soccer-star-and-outspoken-lib-megan-rapinoe-says-her-kneeling-during-anthem-is-a-fck-you-to-trump/

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/06/america-hating-soccer-star-and-anthem-kneeler-megan-rapinoe-im-not-going-to-the-fking-white-house-video/

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/07/no-class-u-s-soccer-star-slammed-for-disgraceful-tea-celebration/

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/07/us-soccer-star-and-trump-basher-megan-rapinoe-refuses-to-sing-national-anthem-in-protest-before-final-game-of-world-cup/

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/07/video-us-soccer-player-allie-long-throws-us-flag-on-grass-during-world-cup-victory-celebration/

    Not trying to rattle the cage/attention whore at all. Nope. Just trying to be good humble soccer players. Why is everyone getting so bent out of shape about it?

  76. U-15 means Under 15 Years Old.

    That’s how we interpret it, but it actually refers to a team composed of players who are 15 or under.

    • Replies: @jb
    , @Kratoklastes
  77. Only in tennis probably would a pro woman athlete easily beat a 14 y/o high level male, although the boy would probably win some of his service games. Although when John McEnroe said Serena would be ranked about 500 in men’s tennis he was being ridiculously PC – I would imagine something like 1000 to 1500 is more plausible. That’s why people actually (used to) watch women’s tennis, until racket and court speed changes disproportionately ruined the women’s game since around 2003 ish, basically by favoring power over finesse and slowing down courts, thus exposing the weaker ground strokes of the women.

    • Replies: @OFWHAP
  78. @Dave Pinsen

    You should suggest to him that Meghan Rapinoe just try out for the men’s team if she wants to get paid more.

  79. @Spangel

    Under 15 yr old boys are boys who have only just stared going through puberty, where men develop major size, strength and speed advantages vs women. The reason the u15 team was better is not primarily because of better physical prowess (as it would be with bench pressing), but because of more effective strategy while playing.

    1. It’s 15 and under, not under 15.

    2. I played soccer, and at the age of 15 I could shoot harder than these women, trap and control the better, and the pass the ball with superior accuracy. Don’t even get me started on crosses. Hell, even in my fifties, I can still do things with the ball on the first touch that those women couldn’t dream of, and that’s while I’m barefoot, buzzed, and taken by surprise.

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Spangel
  80. @Rosie

    I admire them for playing the game knowing that they might lose. That shows grace and a love of sport for it’s own sake IMO. Evidently, they’re not overly concerned about what people will say about them.

    Yes, you are right about that. There are things I can criticize them for, but that’s to their credit.

  81. guest says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Those women know their loss won’t be publicized. And unlike with men, it’s not a lose-lose proposition.

  82. Cortes says:

    Have the superstar WNT Champions play a match against a mid-table lowest division adult male team from any European league and the mascara will run…

    I had the misfortune to see the second half of the final. A team of marshmallows could’ve beaten both sides combined, together with their fans, zombie grannies and media shills.

  83. bomag says:
    @prosa123

    Male advantages in speed, endurance and agility are not as pronounced, and therefore young boys should have less of a natural advantage if any over elite women in soccer.

    In my experience in this world of overlapping bell curves, elite 15 year old boys are equal or better than elite women in speed and endurance sports. Glancing at world record charts, at age 13 boys start to equal women and walk away after that.

    Come to think of it, males of any age don’t necessarily have any advantage over women in terms of endurance.

    ???

    Women have the long distance swimming thing going on, but anything requiring power such as climbing, lifting, carrying weight has quite a gap: basic training; mountaineering.

  84. @Dave Pinsen

    What a pitiful boot-licker!

  85. prosa123 says: • Website
    @a boy and his dog

    Sports like powerlifting, bodybuilding, etc. also require a lot of effort to build the muscles, which is why you see relatively older people in the top tiers. Testosterone doesn’t do that all by itself. Arnold said a top bodybuilder usually needs at least 10 years of training.

    Shawn Rhoden, who as the current Mr. Olympia holds the world’s top bodybuilding prize, is 44.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  86. bomag says:
    @BB753

    Common saying in our rural past was that a twelve year old boy should be capable of a full days work.

  87. BenKenobi says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I guarantee that a few of the boys smirked after that particular victory. Slings and arrows and all that…

  88. Cortes says:

    The parasitism of the women’s game is annoying. Increasingly fans of existing professional football are to be subjected to ludicrous “double headers” so that women’s matches get more than the present three lesbians and a fairy attendance figures…

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jul/07/womens-super-league-double-headers-mens-premier-league-fa-manchester-city-united

    The only way it can work is if the women play before the men because the pitch after a full game played by men is usually torn up badly – yesterday after the “super competitive” final a game of bowls could’ve been held no problem.

  89. If U-15 year old, competitive soccer playing boys, who self-identified as girls, were eligible for selection to the US Women’s Soccer team, well, even the water girl would be a boy.

  90. when they start asking for equal pay, they better deliver equal play.

    that’s why people are knocking them.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Marty T
  91. This about matches what I have heard from other observers watching similar match ups.

    It’s the way it is. It’s unfortunate that some need it to be some other way; because it isn’t some other way.

  92. Rosie says:
    @Autochthon

    Women not built like rails are hosed right from the get-go; having boobies flopping around (one friend of mine must wear two sports-bras to keep hers in check)

    Tell her Rosie swears by the Juno bra. It takes about half an hour to put it on, but then you’re good.

  93. @prosa123

    ‘I have to agree with what CBS said at the time: the women were not going all-out…’

    One wonders how that was determined. Did the women say they let the boys win?

    One would think if anyone would have been inhibited, it would have been the thirteen-fifteen year old boys; they would have been intimidated by the ‘grown ups,’ nervous about making physical contact with women, etc.

  94. An Aussie says:
    @GMR

    A comment – in fact the first on this page – I made 5 hours ago.

    For some reason Steve doesn’t appear to approve of my comments.

  95. It’s amusing to reverse this. Can anyone seriously picture a girls’ under-15 squad beating a team of adult men?

    Everyone knows the truth here perfectly well. It’s all just a matter of how willing they are to admit it — either to others or to themselves.

  96. @Reg Cæsar

    Not even then. No 14 year old is prepared to compete with full-time, full-grown male professionals of international caliber.

  97. Rosie says:
    @prime noticer

    when they start asking for equal pay, they better deliver equal play.

    that’s why people are knocking them.

    I don’t even understand how this demand even makes any sense. Where is the money supposed to come from if ticket prices don’t support higher pay. Are these demands really coming from the players themselves, or someone else?

    I don’t see why professional women athletes would want to destroy women’s sports with an equal pay demand.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @Dan Hayes
  98. @Autochthon

    Good comment. I loved the last sentence.

  99. America dominates women’s soccer for the same reason South Korea dominates women’s golf: because nobody else cares.

    I don’t know if this is included in “caring more”, but US women have an advantage in many sports because of something that barely exists outside the US: college sports. Most countries in the world don’t have a paid, four year training program for female athletes. Slowly professional men’s teams are starting to support similar programs for women, but they’re still years, even decades behind.

    US men don’t have a similar advantage because in many sports in the rest of the world, professional men’s teams have well-developed and sometimes well-funded youth programs for identifying and nurturing talent.

  100. @Autochthon

    Females do, however, so better at managing pain, illness, and aging, so they win the longest endurance event of all via an edge in longevity.

    Another reason to hate BECKY!

    “Centenarians are considerably less diverse than the overall U.S. population. In 2010, some 82.5 percent of centenarians were white, versus 72.4 percent of the total population.”

    https://money.usnews.com/money/retirement/articles/2013/01/07/what-people-who-live-to-100-have-in-common

  101. The word on the streets years ago (like 20) was that the women’s national team had quit playing these sorts of scrimmages precisely because they didn’t get anything out of it. The boys would just kick the ball and run past them so that it was not even competitive in a way that they actually gained anything from. Which is understandable, and may not be like some other types of competition where you can actually gain something from going against a superior opponent.

  102. gregor says:

    Somewhat related, I don’t really follow chess, but recently I was looking over the FIDE rankings out of curiosity. I was aware chess was male-dominated, but I didn’t realize the extent. Of the top 100 players, there is one woman (from China) and she is ranked #88. There are zero women in the blitz rankings. There is one woman who is now retired, Judit Polgar, who peaked at #8 in 2005. She seems to be an extreme outlier and seems to be the only one who could really compete with the top men. There are so few elite female chess players that they have separate women’s rankings, tournaments, “women’s grand master” title, etc.

  103. LondonBob says:

    How is playing football going to help them find a husband?

    There has been a weird conspiracy to promote the joke that is women’s football in the past year by the media here in Britain. Last season a whole page of the Monday football supplement was dedicated to it, ditching the coverage of the lower leagues. I actually like to keep track of the lower leagues, see which players or managers might breakthrough, so it was greatly annoying to me.

    To be honest I am surprised the Dallas team didn’t win by more.

  104. @Rosie

    Finding money for women’s soccer should be no problem if they can find $100 billion for black home-ownership.

  105. Dan Hayes says:
    @Rosie

    Rosie:

    Money to support women teams will come out of the coffers of the PC Capitalists who are in abundance – just think Nike as one amongst many. And the expended billions will be written off as money will spent to assuage feminist SJWs!

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @c matt
  106. @gregor

    Judit Polgar was the real deal. She was the product of a Tiger Parenting scheme, along with her two sisters. She appears to have been a strong case of Nature and Nurture.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  107. @Colin Wright

    In golf, Michelle Wie peaked around age 14:

    “Wie was given a sponsor’s exemption to the 2004 Sony Open in Hawaii, becoming the fourth, and youngest, female to play a PGA Tour event. Her second round score of 68 was the lowest ever by a woman in a PGA Tour event, though she went on to miss the cut in the tournament. While missing the cut by 1 stroke she bettered the 36 hole score of 47 men including 4 major winners and matched the scores of 15 more men including 3 more major winners. This in itself was an utterly incredible achievement by a 14 year-old girl.”

    Or by a 14 year old boy.

    Wie might have been the best 14 year old golfer of either sex in the world at age 14.

    As the estrogen got going however, she didn’t continue to improve.

    • Replies: @Chriscom
  108. @prosa123

    As others have pointed out, weight-lifting is irrelevant. As for speed, here’s a video of a 15 year old Jamaican running a 10.20 100 meters.

    (The 2nd video in the sequence shows him running a 10.51 as a 14 year old).

    By comparison, Florence Griffith-Joyner’s (rather suspect) record for the 100 meters is 10.49 seconds. Discounting her, the women’s record would be 10.64.

  109. @Anonymous

    I watched the U.S. vs. Brazil game in the 1994 World Cup. The U.S. could barely move the ball in a forward direction.

    The US is a lot better now.

  110. OFWHAP says:
    @blank-misgivings

    Fifteen-year-old Coco Gauff has advanced to the round of 16 in Wimbledon. Anna Kournikova pulled off a similar feat while 15 at the US Open. Jennifer Capriati made it to the French Open semifinals at the age of 14. The only advantage a professional female tennis player would have over a junior male tennis player is experience.

  111. @Achmed E. Newman

    Maybe like Bobby Riggs, they can bribe the 15 year olds into throwing the match?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  112. jim jones says:

    Hopefully Google will drop the annoying Google Doodle on their home page now.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
  113. Dalrymple noted in Taki’s that the Female team had few or no tats and suggested they need more to keep up with the men. Don’t know how many tats the boys have.

  114. The BBC has had a full-court press promoting womens football.

    They got respectable ratings for one of the games – 7 million, about 25% of the audience for the England v Croatia game in 2018.

    They are now demanding equal pay and equal time for womens league football. But this will probably just be forgotten about quite soon.

    Unlike tennis, women don’t follow football in any numbers.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  115. @Cagey Beast

    The U-boaters would still win, even though they are all in Davy Jones’s Locker:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_submarine_U-15_(1936)#Fate

  116. Neoconned says:
    @68W58

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/australian-womens-national-team-lose-70-to-team-of-15yearold-boys-a3257266.html%3famp

    Here’s the article.. . .

    Lololol…..”because nobody cares”….

    I recall watching the World Cup in 2015 where Rapinoe had on shades and was bragging about how “this was our moment “….I sat in the sports bar and couldn’t stop laughing and remember thinking “who cares about soccer period much less lesbian soccer?”

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  117. @PaceLaw

    …who the hell cares about women’s basketball (other than lesbians)?” You’re forgetting the ‘nappy-headed ho’s’ demographic.

  118. @BenKenobi

    The slings and arrows of outrageous . . .

    privilege? Someone oughta do a parody of the whole soliloquy:

    ” . . . the thousand natural [laws] that flesh is heir to?”

    ” . . . to take Arms against a Sea of troubles[some] testosterone, and by opposing, supplant it?”

    “Soft you now, The fair Ophelia? Nymph, in thy Orisons Be all my s[cores]s remember’d.”

  119. @Steve Sailer

    According to Taki, in that article Bobby Rigged*, Bobby Riggs was indeed up to something as he was involved in the gambling world. Taki maintains that it wasn’t really a direct throwing of the match, but just that purposeful lack of practice and exercise by Riggs that threw the match:

    Which brings us up to the $64 question. Was the 1973 Battle of the Sexes in front of 30,000 fans on the level? Bobby by then was 55, and la King was 26. It was no lock, so what Riggs did was make it a lock by placing an enormous bet on his opponent. Riggs didn”€™t owe money”€”at least he never did when I knew him”€”so the tale that he owed the Mafia is wrong. What he most likely did was to have strong-arm guys place bets for him. An expert such as Jack Kramer said it was a fix, with Bobby missing too many easy shots. What Bobby actually did in order to make it look perfect was not to touch a racquet and not train at all for months before he set up the match. He looked slow, unsure of his shots, without touch or any agility around the court”€”exactly the way a player is when out of practice.

    I recommend that article to the readers here, as it’s a great look into the goings-on in the ’70’s (hence, my Elton John song above). and Taki was supposedly a big playboy back then.

    .

    * Sorry, I could only link to page 1. I couldn’t find a (#print)link on this one to the whole article together. My excerpt is from Page 2.

    • Replies: @Barnard
  120. M_Young says:

    I gotta admit I’m stuck in the 1990s, or at most the early 2000s. But it seems to me that the US of A’s focus on getting girls/women to play organized sports is something to be proud of. All the cutest girls at my alma mater played some kind of club sports — lacrosse, women’s water polo, surfing, sailing . Yes, there is no doubt that the cyborg Arapaho or whatever her name is is obnoxious, and maybe there is danger of going full lesbo (I’m counting 5 of the 23 USWNT being out lesbians), but there are definitely plusses to women being in shape.

    As for the games, I watched snippets here and there and they were quite entertaining…good teamwork, passing, etc. Yup, they can’t beat good male teens, but they were enjoyable in their own right.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  121. @Rosie

    Yeah they’re obnoxious and entitled and seem to be in love with themselves. They can go to hell AFAIAC.
    I know its shocking Rosie but sometimes men judge women. How dare we!

    • Replies: @Rosie
  122. @Altai

    I don’t think “old, weird America” had this many lesbians, though.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
  123. @LondonBob

    “There has been a weird conspiracy to promote the joke that is women’s football in the past year by the media here in Britain. “

    It’s not at all weird. It’s deliberate.

    The BBC Sports website is getting worse and worse, in that half or more of the stories are now about women’s soccer and rugby. If Ireland beat New Zealand at rugby, that’s a big deal in men’s sport, but I don’t give a hoot about whether Ireland or New Zealand has the biggest, roughest women. That’s not something for a nation to be proud of.

  124. Realist says:
    @prosa123

    I chose that because there are a good number of women competing at that level, the world record for a boy in the 13-15 age range is 259 pounds, while the all-ages female record is 300 pounds.

    How many of the ‘females’ are male???

  125. Rosie says:
    @gregor

    Of the top 100 players, there is one woman (from China) and she is ranked #88.

    The tail effect, of course.

    Even with small differences in average ability, of you go far enough over to the right, eventually everyone is male.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  126. Rosie says:
    @LondonBob

    How is playing football going to help them find a husband?

    Women’s only purpose in life is not to find a husband, you cretin, but since you asked, it will help them find a husband by keeping them in shape.

  127. Rosie says:
    @Dan Hayes

    Money to support women teams will come out of the coffers of the PC Capitalists who are in abundance – just think Nike as one amongst many. And the expended billions will be written off as money will spent to assuage feminist SJWs!

    And truthfully, there would be nothing wrong with corporations sponsoring women’s sports as a charitable measure, so long as it’s understood that’s what it is.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  128. @Steve Sailer

    She was to chess what Maryam Mirzakhani was to Fields Medal:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryam_Mirzakhani

  129. @Rosie

    But- what when husband turns into heap of fat?

  130. mmack says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I won’t be a car nerd and tell you that’s a Firebird, so, nice accessory for that drop top! It’ll end up costing you more than the car ever will.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  131. Anon55uu says:

    Only vaguely related to a story in the comments above but I know Steve likes the appearance of Pakistan’s ex-cricketer prime minister Imran Khan.

    One of the finds of the current world cup is 19 year old Pakistan fast bowler Shaheen Shah Afridi. He’s 6’6”, blondish and an Afridi from near the Khyber pass.

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/icc-world-cup-2019-shaheen-shah-afridi-creates-history-breaks-4-records-and-equals-tendulkar-s-in-one-match-against-bangladesh/story-GbN6Neqdex8l2UzQK6L7OJ.html

  132. @Rosie

    Elite women’s football is very lesbian.

    Straight plaayers have written about being ostracized.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  133. JMcG says:
    @Anonymous

    I spent my late teens and twenties doing some semi serious mountaineering, certainly nothing like 8000 meter peaks in the Himalayas. It was fun and there were some nice views and I gained some knowledge of myself. It was, however, as nothing compared to the transcendental joy of raising my children.
    In the end, I see it as wasted time.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes, TWS
    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @S. Anonyia
  134. bomag says:
    @Anonymous

    A Mountaineer’s Choice to Never Have Kids

    She’s helping birth an idiocracy.

  135. Rosie says:
    @Rosie

    A question I have about women in chess:

    Women’s participation in chess is higher in developing countries. How much success do they have? Iwould assume that high-risk investments of time, like learning how to play elite-level chess, would be more attractive to women with relatively fewer opportunities. Women in more prosperous countries, OTOH, might just prefer to be social players.

    40% of FIDE-rated chess players in Vietnam are women. United Arab Emirates also has excellent participation rates. Again, how much success they have in competition I don’t know.

    https://www.apnews.com/67d7808df69bde946a5db4238f4e9487

    • Replies: @Rosie
  136. …USWNT tonguebath about the woke new future they are ushering in:

    https://sports.yahoo.com/uswnt-unleashes-ultimate-equal-pay-battle-cry-in-winning-world-cup-203042733.html

    If Rapinoe was such a great American, wouldn’t she understand her pay is determined by the market? Wouldn’t she vehemently oppose any distortions in the efficient operation of a market-based economy?

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  137. Marat says:
    @Rosie

    Perhaps the sudden surge of interest is directly related to the amount of distaste team member(s) showed for Trump.

    The Fox anchor (not Harris Faulkner or any of the regulars) threw in a gratuitous line about how we really must see to “equal pay” for these ladies at the end of her reporting and no one dared challenge it in any way.

    • Replies: @mmack
  138. Dan Hayes says:
    @Rosie

    Rosie:

    In many cases such purported “charitable” contributions would actually be PC payoffs by capitalists to hold the SJWs at bay!

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  139. Spangel says:
    @ben tillman

    I’m sure you could. And yes, 15 and under makes a big difference vs under 15 in terms of the boys having real physical prowess advantages.

    I count accuracy and control and such things as more strategic attributes and less about pure physical dominance (which I mean to include speed and stregnth).

  140. Rosie says:
    @JMcG

    In the end, I see it as wasted time.

    Here you make the mistake of assuming that raising children would be as joyful if you hadn’t scratched that itch before having them. It may have been, or maybe not.

  141. Rosie says:
    @jimmyriddle

    Elite women’s football is very lesbian.

    Straight plaayers have written about being ostracized.

    Yes, I’ve heard about this. Not so much ostracized as just not fitting in. The problem is that if straight women avoid the sport on that account, then it will just become more lesbian-dominated.

  142. Spangel says:
    @LondonBob

    If Alex Morgan were not already married to her college sweetheart, she would not have the slightest difficulty finding a husband.

  143. Rosie says:
    @Rosie

    Another thought that occurs to me. If you are a poor man in a developing country, and you have a child you believe might have a future in competitive chess, you don’t really have the luxury of worrying about whether it’s gender-typical or not. You’re going to teach that child how to play chess, because that child might be your only hope for decent old-age. Come to think of it, that kind of thinking might be behind similar trends in STEM.

    • Replies: @Calvin Hobbes
  144. Gordo says:

    Yes, I’ve heard about this. Not so much ostracized as just not fitting in. The problem is that if straight women avoid the sport on that account, then it will just become more lesbian-dominated.

    I’ve noticed that in some workplaces I’ve seen, homosexuals get in then get others in.

  145. I saw something (on Twitter?) a few months ago showing that track records for women lined up very well against track records for boys of a certain age (14 or 15?). Can’t find it again. Does anybody have a link?

  146. Rosie says:
    @Father O'Hara

    I know its shocking Rosie but sometimes men judge women. How dare we!

    Judge away. Don’t be surprised if we judge back.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @getaclue
    , @c matt
  147. TWS says:
    @Altai

    They have plenty of angry dikes. Those count as diverse.

  148. TWS says:
    @Rosie

    I thought it was humorous and overblown but not offensive until it was literally shoved into my face every time I paused a movie. Then a mannequin, a model and a screaming lesbian would leap onto my TV screen declaring, “all eyes on us”.

    It was so irritating that I gradually grew to resent it. I know women cannot beat boys much less men but I never cared until they shoved their ridiculous theatrics in my face.

  149. TWS says:
    @prosa123

    Now you’re just beclowning yourself.

  150. @Hail

    Didn’t G-Lo present Cabal imposes psyops?

  151. @Rosie

    If you are a poor man in a developing country, and you have a child you believe might have a future in competitive chess, you don’t really have the luxury of worrying about whether it’s gender-typical or not. You’re going to teach that child how to play chess, because that child might be your only hope for decent old-age.

    A better strategy for arranging for a decent old-age would be to buy lottery tickets.
    There are very few people in the world making decent money playing chess.
    And, with very few exceptions, someone with the brains to make a living playing chess could probably make a lot more money with much less effort doing something else.
    One big reason for the dominance of men in chess is that males are much more likely to have the crazy death-or-glory obsession needed to be a top chess player.

    • Replies: @gregor
  152. @Dan Hayes

    No doubt there is a significant difference between 14 and 15.

  153. Barnard says:
    @68W58

    Here is the article on Pat Summitt using men for practice from Sports Illustrated in 1999. The men are average high school players and they had a 6’2″ height limit. They still win a couple of scrimmages against the Tennessee women. You couldn’t get something this frank published today, especially not it woke Sports Illustrated. NCAA rules allowed no compensation to the practice players other than a free t-shirt and shorts. It is surprising to me they were able to consistently find enough guys willing to do this.

    https://www.si.com/vault/1999/03/15/8105723/guys-and-vols-when-tennessees-lady-vols-practice-they-face-some-real-volunteersa-team-of-undergrads-who-help-sharpen-their-game-but-share-little-championship-glory

    • Replies: @68W58
    , @Marty T
  154. @Rosie

    Women being judgemental? Okay … I guess everything should be attempted at least once.

  155. @Achmed E. Newman

    Yeah, they’d have a chance against suburban 55 year old men in soccer, but not softball or golf. However a woman great in her sport probably does have a chance against fit 14 year old boys in the more controlled movements of softball or golf. Is it really surprising 14 year old boys can beat the best women’s soccer team? 14 year old boys are quick, light on their feet and agile- that’s what soccer is all about. Women just don’t have the agility men have, maybe even more so than strength/speed.

    An older man vs athletic women’s soccer match would actually be interesting.

  156. Dark says:
    @Autochthon

    In The Sports Gene, Epstein says that the idea that females manage pain better is a myth “contradicted by every study done on the topic. Women are more sensitive to pain and much more likely to be chronic pain patients. Women do, however, become less sensitive to pain as they approach childbirth.”

    p 68 footnote

  157. @Redneck farmer

    Spinsters were pretty common historically. Some of them lived with women. Historically lesbianism hasn’t really been perceived as much of a threat.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  158. Svevlad says:

    To quote a sports commentator from here, regarding womens sports:

    “What female basketball?! That is a hobby, it is followed by nobody, the closer family doesn’t come to watch it… Congratulations to the players in female basketball, but that is, how do I say it, the ninth echelon of serious sport, nobody is interested in it.”

  159. @JMcG

    Whether you are male or female, having fun in your teens and twenties is not a big deal. If you had gone straight to having kids at 19, you probably wouldn’t have been as good of a parent. You have interesting, meaningful experiences to share with your children you wouldn’t have had otherwise.

    When a person starts to waste their late 20s and 30s is when it becomes a problem.

    • Agree: Rosie
  160. Tasteless jokes aside- men (or boys) just can’t seriously play sports against females where females might be hurt. Such is the world.

    Of course, I am talking about us, (semi)civilized men.

  161. getaclue says:

    “Nobody else cares” — not true– the Globalist Propaganda Media cares and the “Elite” who fund it–it allows them again, as they do countless times daily, to pimp and push the LBGQTP agenda — this propaganda mission has been ongoing by the “Elite” for decades now to “normalize” homosexuality and in fact praise it and now we see to indoctrinate school children in it– at Wimbledon its all about the 2 Lesbian Doubles partners blah, blah– all of this was revealed in the 1800’s thru various documents the Catholic Church was able to obtain as part of the Masonic plan to defeat Christianity, the plan has been going quite well if you’ve looked around or at the Vatican recently…and we know who’s behind the “Masons”….

  162. Barnard says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Taki’s said Riggs never lost at gambling, which it what a lot of gamblers say, but isn’t true for any of them. My guess is he was in debt to someone shady for whatever reason, and threw the match primarily through poor training but also hitting an error when necessary to cover the debt. If he just wanted to big payday, why not bet on himself to win?

  163. Prosa123 says:
    @poolside

    Another option would be for the women’s team to practice against older men. Instead of U15 boys, play against O60 men.

  164. Spangel says:
    @OFWHAP

    I wonder if girls who enter puberty late are actually physically athletically more able than grown women, whose increased body fat and structure might be worse for them than being a child.

    Most sports take years of training, so the mental immaturity and lack of experience would prevent a 13 yr old girl who has not entered puberty from excelling against an adult woman. But there are some sports where a minimum age barrier is necessary to prevent girls under 15 from beating adult women.

  165. @Anonymous

    Back in the early 2000s I saw the U.S. women’s team practice. Any Junior B or good high school team would have dominated them. I don’t even think they could have beaten most Midget AA (Tier 2 in the States) teams. They are just too slow and not physical enough. They obviously play the game tactically at a high level and are very well coached but athletically they wouldn’t stand a chance against even average teenage boys.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  166. Y’all just don’t understand.
    The level of pay isn’t supposed to be determined by the level of play, but by the level of importance to the Narrative.

  167. liljoe says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Thank you for that. Funny stuff

  168. mmack says:
    @Marat

    The distaste the team showed Trump? Via Instapundit, a few Women’s Soccer fans showing their support for the old US of A:

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/soccer-fans-eff-trump-interviewed

    Fox News live feed section included in linked piece.

    You stay classy Women’s Soccer fans!

  169. MarkinLA says:
    @Nathan

    The US is the only place that has college athletics at such an organized level. There might be teams at other universities but there is nothing like the NCAA. I don’t think college athletics in other countries come close to being a feeder for the pro level like in the US. Many women’s team foreign players were scholarship players at US universities.

    Soccer in other countries has academies and developmental programs, a lot like baseball minor leagues but has anybody heard of Oxford winning the British collegiate championship? The most that I remember hearing about is Oxford versus Cambridge rowing on the Thames River.

    • Replies: @Nathan
    , @Jonathan Mason
  170. MarkinLA says:
    @Ron Mexico

    How different would the world be if Bobby Riggs hadn’t laid down for BJK?

    Riggs was in his 50s and was making a living playing as a tennis clown. Serena and Venus played some low ranked men and were destroyed.

    Martina Navratilova, the best woman’s serve and volley player ever, was starting to get a big head and agreeing with the clowns that told her she could play on the men’s tour. Vitus Gerulaitis, John Mc Enroe’s wing man, challenged her to play the 100th ranked man for her house against his. Then he said after you lose you can play double or nothing against the 200th ranked man. She had to shut up after that.

    • Replies: @JoeFour
  171. MarkinLA says:
    @M_Young

    Spartan women (Helen of Troy) were renowned throughout ancient Greece for their beauty. They were extremely physically fit which probably had something to do with it.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  172. No big surprise. The boys in an under-15 team affiliated with a professional soccer team are not just ordinary players. They will have been outstanding players for several years already, played in trophy-winning school, local, and regional competitions and will have a much faster sprinting speed than almost all women other than international quality female sprinters, so would be able to run rings round the rather ponderous female defenders.

    Pele was a professional player at 15 and an international player at 16. Obviously a freak prodigy, but many of the really elite professional soccer players are already playing at the top level at the age of 16. In their mid teens they already have the speed and skill, but just lack the weight and power to compete with adult men of the same skill level.

    Wayne Rooney, aged 16. Look at the legs.

  173. @jimmyriddle

    The BBC has had a full-court press promoting womens football.

    They got respectable ratings for one of the games – 7 million, about 25% of the audience for the England v Croatia game in 2018.

    There is little to watch on TV in the summer months and watching a national team doing well in a world championship gives people something to talk about and even televised snooker is quite popular in the UK. TV audiences are quite high for Wimbledon tennis, too, but hardly anyone plays tennis any more.

    It is also a bit like the Olympics. Millions of people will watch Usain Bolt trying for a World Record in the 100m on TV, or a good-looking couple dancing on ice-skates, but that hardly equates to thousands or even hundreds of participants or paying spectators.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  174. Americans only care about soccer when its the World Cup. They watch because of nationalism. I’m not much of fan, but after watching the Americans win, I watched an American Professional game, and the difference was incredible. First, the men had players who could dribble the ball around the goal, and it was only through tough defense that they were stopped. The male Goalies were extremely active and blocked shots the Female W/C goalies would’ve missed. The male pros made superb passes and showed great teamwork in trying to stop or advance the ball. The female W/C had trouble completing the simplest passes and showed little or no advanced team play in trying to score. The corner kicks with the men were dangerous for the defense, with the women not.

    The women’s game is far inferior. Compared to a men’s pro team, it looks like a bunch of amateurs just kicking the ball around.

    • Agree: jim jones
  175. @OFWHAP

    In the competitive tennis circles that I used to hang around in, the consensus was that the Men’s Varsity 2nd Singles player (or better) could beat the US Women’s Open champion every time.

    Had she gone up against a professional (top 1,000?) men’s player, she would not even win a point.

    • Replies: @JoeFour
  176. Women’s chess weirdly mirrors athletic endeavors. That is, the Women are about at 10% below the man, just like they are in swimming a 100 meters or running a marathon. Probably the 200th best male chess player could beat the best female player. Like Golf or Tennis.

  177. countenance says: • Website

    In the aftermath of USWNT winning the WWC, the whole subject of equal pay is coming up. Don’t let a team of high school freshmen boys beat you like a drum, and then we’ll talk.

    Really though, they’re peddling the excuse that the boys beat them because it was an exhibition, so they didn’t take it seriously like they would a high stakes game. That might be true, but that coin has two sides: The boys also probably eased up on the pedal, because they knew they were playing women, the whole chivalry and don’t-hit-the-girl social paradigm came into effect.

    • Replies: @Sandmich
  178. nicmart says:

    The implication of this post is anti-capitalist. People earn money not necessarily by being best, but by how many tickets they sell.

  179. MrLiberty says:

    Came across this summary on Lew Rockwell this morning from Thomas DiLorenzo:

    In the last men’s world cup event in Russia, revenues, mostly from television, were about $6 billion. For the recent women’s world cup they are estimated to be about $131 million, a small fraction of the men’s revenues (a little less than one-fiftieth). Orders of magnitude more people watch men’s soccer than women’s soccer. Compared to men’s soccer, hardly anyone cares about women’s soccer. The women are actually paid proportionally more than the men, however — 13% versus 9% of total revenues.

    Indeed, in a world of 7 billion, nobody really cares.

    And add a bunch of angry, Trump/freedom-hating lesbians to the mix, and even more will now turn off.

  180. Very right Mr Sailer. While association football became the sport and social club activity of the men of continental Europe, and its descendants and former colonies (specially the browner ones), for women it became a thing for white Western gals to show that #yestheycan. True, Holland has a good male team too (thought they like playing pretty rather than winning titles), but other countries like Sweden and Norway follow the American pattern of better female players (or rather, worse male players). In Latin America meanwhile women playing soccer is nearly a lesbian thing, to the degree that only Brazil has a good team – probably due to a larger population of Afro women being more prone to testosterone excess…

    And even then, the women do not connect a lot of headers, and in general their game is less skilled and exciting, though obviously some are very good. The US could have a good male team if it was actually built like the best team America could field, and not as a gang of buddies who love losing to Mexico; not mentioning how the team is often used as an excuse to showcase certain players (for money or diversity pp), coaches, even this fancy modern style that the US can barely find skilled players for. Research Uruguay, Croatia and other Balkanics. Those small (whiter) and not too wealthy nations certainly punch above their weight.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  181. LondonBob says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Even televised snooker! Snooker is a great game to watch, especially when the mercurial Ronnie ‘The Rocket’ O’Sullivan is playing. Doesn’t draw the viewing figures they got in the eighties but the big finals still bring in the numbers.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    , @JMcG
  182. Ps.- considering the liberal bent of the Americans who dig soccer, going right up to MLS headquarters, does anyone else think that the US male team threw the qualification to the 2018 World Cup in Russia to spite Trump and Putin?

    If not… well now you do

  183. @jim jones

    They’re busy right now looking for some pioneering female Bolivian scientist from the 1850s they can feature when the wimmins soccer excitement dies down

  184. @prosa123

    Powerlifting is a sport. Just as “lets run from here to there and see who wins” is a basic building block of competition, so is “lets see who can lift the most”.

    Bodybuilding on the other hand is a weird, borderline homosexual version of modeling. Anything requiring the use of spray tans is not a sport.

  185. getaclue says:
    @Rosie

    We hear nothing else daily….#metoo….

  186. @Anonymous

    Well, her life. Good for her if she wanted such a life. I don’t get why would anyone have problem with this.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  187. Coburn says:
    @gregor

    There are zero women in the blitz rankings. There is one woman who is now retired, Judit Polgar, who peaked at #8 in 2005. She seems to be an extreme outlier and seems to be the only one who could really compete with the top men. There are so few elite female chess players that they have separate women’s rankings, tournaments, “women’s grand master” title, etc.

    Walter Tevis, the author of The Hustler and the Color of Money, wrote another novel about a female chess prodigy – The Queens Gambit. It’s a good novel.

  188. Equal Pay? Limbaugh had a stat that the women participants actually got 13 percent of their World Cup’s revenue, compared to the males getting just 9 percent of the $$$ generated by a men’s World Cup tourney. Problem for the gals is, that’s 13 percent of $73 million, vs. 9 percent of $4 BILLION.

  189. Fredrik says:
    @Altai

    On a similar note I’m sure they’ve all been advised to refrain from too many tattoos. Their marketing value is much higher that way. And frankly the commercial value of womens sports is seeing attractive young girls/women do their things.

  190. Anonymous[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @gregor

    Slate Star Codex did a couple of posts about Polgar, one about her family background and another reviewing a parenting book her father wrote:

    https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/30/hungarian-education-iii-mastering-the-core-teachings-of-the-budapestians/

    https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/07/31/book-review-raise-a-genius/

  191. pyrrhus says:
    @68W58

    No, any good Boys HS team would beat any WNBA team by 20+ points, and some JH teams would also beat them…The WNBA players are slow, awkward, can’t jump, and like to take set shots…Women are better at soccer, where the US women’s team regularly got drilled by Boys U-16s practicing for the last Olympics–but they’re still terrible.

  192. @Neoconned

    “who cares about soccer

    HAHAHA…ha.ha…right. It’s good you weren’t serious

  193. Rosie says:
    @Chuckywelfarecheese

    They obviously play the game tactically at a high level and are very well coached but athletically they wouldn’t stand a chance against even average teenage boys.

    Then they should be able to compete on price. If soccer is anything like baseball, a family of four is priced out, so you go to minor league games. That seems like it would be a niche for them.

  194. @Thomm

    Agree button used. Even a Maradona coming down from a coke bender would destroy these short haired Lesbos in no time

  195. Rosie says:
    @MarkinLA

    Spartan women (Helen of Troy) were renowned throughout ancient Greece for their beauty. They were extremely physically fit which probably had something to do with it.

    From what I understand, Spartan women who died in childbirth were honored like war dead.

  196. @Houston Texican

    I like your sarcasm. It is sarcasm, right?

  197. c matt says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    55 might be pushing it, but I play in an over 40 league, and could probably take the top 11 players in that league, who are over 45, and likely beat, or at least give the USWNT a run for their money. We are talking only ten teams in this league, in the US, so it is not even that big a cross section. Use a South American or European league, and over 55s would likely crush them.

  198. MarkinLA says:
    @Disordered (with a bad memory)

    The US could have a good male team if it was actually built like the best team America could field

    Maybe you missed the part where America football players (as in the NFL), basketball, and baseball players make a lot more money than American soccer players. Maybe you missed the part where in high school football and basketball players are quite popular. Even some track and field athletes make more than US soccer players. Until that changes US soccer will be just above the pro rubgy or lacrosse league.

    Yeah, a guy could try and develop himself to eventually play in Europe. If you had the necessary athleticism to play professional sports in the US, what would you do? You would only choose soccer if you aren’t big enough for the NFL or NBA. You have to decide real early that you aren’t going to make it in US pro sports and then throw yourself into learing how to kick a ball so it bends into the top corner of the net. In soccer, you as an American are competing to get to Europe with all those second and third tier professional leagues around the world.

    If you don’t make it to the big European leagues, what do you make? What does the best Peruvian player not good enough to make it out of Peru make?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Cortes
  199. @GMR

    Actually, in soccer, FIFA officially defines “U-15” as “no older than 15”, not “under 15”. For the age-grade World Cups for both sexes (U-17 and U-20), players are eligible as long as they are no older than the stated age during the calendar year of the tournament.

    The women’s World Cups for both age groups are held in even-numbered years, so the most recent ones were in 2018. Players were eligible for the U-17 event if they were born in 2001 or later; for U-20, they were eligible if they were born at any time between January 1, 1998 and December 31, 2002.

    The men’s youth World Cups are held in odd-numbered years; the 2019 U-20 event has been held, while the U-17 event is set for October and November in Brazil. The age cutoffs are identical to those for women—players were eligible for U-20 if they were born at any time between January 1, 1999 and December 31, 2003, while U-17 players must be born in 2002 or later.

  200. 68W58 says:
    @Barnard

    Thanks-and you’re right that something like that would not get published today. Summitt was doubtlessly so well respected at UT that she could get young men to participate.

  201. AnonAnon says:
    @Anonymous

    I commend her for making the responsible choice and not having children she might later leave motherless. Read some of Ed Viestur’s books, they’re full of mentions of fellow elite mountaineers who died young from avalanches, falls, high altitude pulmonary edema, etc. Living to advanced age and being a world class mountaineer is usually mutually exclusive (Viesturs is unusually cautious and genetically gifted). Not to mention, when you read a few of their autobiographies or watch documentaries on climbing you have to conclude they all have a major personality defect when it comes to a driving urge to cheat death on a regular basis. It’s too bad the women who marry male mountaineers can’t make the same calculated decision as to whether they’re choosing the best father for their children.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  202. JoeFour says:
    @MarkinLA

    Martina did end up playing Jimmy Conners in an exhibition match. Conners got only one serve and Martina got the doubles lines. The match is on YouTube for those interested. Spoiler alert–Conners won in straight sets (two out of three). Rumor has it he bet a million bucks on himself….

  203. JoeFour says:
    @Abolish_public_education

    I read somewhere years ago that Chris Evert routinely lost very badly to her brother when she was the number 1 woman’s player in the world….her brother was a decent college player who played the sixth spot at Auburn….

  204. gregor says:
    @Calvin Hobbes

    On the other hand, I think men have more pressure to pursue a practical, marketable major/career path. Women are more likely to choose useless majors they like. And they are generally much less wage sensitive. But men will also spend hours editing Wikipedia for free and other obsessive behaviors. Something like elite chess requires a certain tolerance for uncompensated toil, as you note.

  205. @68W58

    I played pickup against girls from a D1 program in college. The problem is that most of the girls over 6′ are very clumsy and slow, and 6′ boys are speedy point guards with crazy ball skills and quickness.

    I enjoyed their games and cheered them on, they were my friends. They all had a really positive attitude about it and a lot of fight. Tall girls from the plains. Good people.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @anon
  206. Harold says:

    Here are my super-scientific thoughts on women’s sports and lesbianisation:

    Sports in which one often has a wide stance, with feet apart, remain more feminine: tennis, (field) hockey, netball. Possibly they don’t have such an advantage for a narrow-hipped boyish figure.

    Here in New Zealand netball gets decent viewership, for a woman’s sport. It is a sport only for women, and therefore the women’s team isn’t just an inferior version of a men’s team. The greater success of women’s soccer in the US makes it a little like this.

    If Americans want people to care about women’s sport they should have their women play a women’s only sport—which favours a wide stance.

  207. @Rosie

    It’s because idiots still think they can play against men and there’s a constant barrage of articles “Why aren’t women paid as much as men?” It’s simple, it’s because they’re not as good. If they didn’t shove it in every ones faces, no one would care.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  208. A point that is overlooked regarding the commercial value of the men’s soccer game versus the women’s is that many of the top male players are regarded as sex symbols, wealthy men who date models and pop stars, whereas few of the international women players have the same cachet.

    Meghan Rapinoe, for example, looks positively middle-aged, but was probably never very attractive, even when young. Also men tend to increase in attractiveness as they age, whereas women do not.

    Cristiano Ronaldo

    A Belgian and a Frenchman off-season in Miami Beach

    The heroine of the hour.

    • LOL: Old Prude
    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    , @Marty T
  209. MarkinLA says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Women who are lean and trim are at a disadvantage to women who are a bit chubby – look at women’s tennis versus men’s tennis. That extra weight on a man translates into slowness and lack of quickness. It doesn’t matter as much in women’s sports because everything is already operating at a slower level.

    Look at how often a man’s service is broken in tennis versus the women at the highest levels.

    However, a good woman athlete who is also hot can make a ton of money on the modeling/celebrity circuit – much more than she can playing. That was the problem Anna Kournakova had. Does she bulk up like Gabriela Sabatini and lose a lot of her hotness to become a better tennis player or does she make the money for photo shoots and celebrity appearances? Martina Hingis was a much better tennis player but absolutely hated all the attention Anna (her doubles partner) got on the tour.

  210. Anonymous[274] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Really? If they are better now, then why did the U.S’ male football team fail to even qualify for the last World Cup? I would say they are getting worse, because back in 1994 at least they played in the World Cup and made it past the preliminary round.

    The hope for the U.S is that football, or “soccer” as Americans would call it, is now one of the top #3 most popular sports among high school aged boys.

  211. Given World War T isn’t this likely to be last US national women’s soccer team?

    I think Steve is interested in the story of the loss to the 14 year olds for the same reason I am—because it shows how incredibly far what the Goebbels media shovels out every day is from reality. The Left has gone insane. It hasn’t happened all at once but in a million tiny increments as false beliefs are presented as truth. A few years ago their were films (Girl with the Dragon Tatoo, Inside Man) with Nazi villains. This was a ludicrous trend to have 60 years after the fall of the Third Reich, but hey they were only stupid movies so who cares. The problem is that once this absurdity becomes seen as truth you have today’s politics where its OK to beat anyone you disagree with into the hospital because their a Nazi.

  212. martin2 says:

    At least if young women are playing some kind of competitive sport they are going to be slim. When I watched the cycling at the Olympics in 2016 I was surprised by the fact that young attractive slim English women actually existed. All I ever see where I live are fatties.

  213. Rosie says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    I enjoyed their games and cheered them on, they were my friends.

    Very gracious of you. I have always had a very favorable impression of soccer boys. I had a massive crush on one and only one in my life. He was very genteel. I was friend zoned.

    Anyway, I’m always puzzled by the European soccer hooligan thing, because soccer boys have always struck me as very classy. I guess soccer attracts different folks in USA as opposed to Europe, with USA soccer being more middle class and Euro soccer being more working class ( not that there’s anything wrong with that.)

    • Replies: @c matt
  214. MarkinLA says:

    The hooligan thing was basically British and was based on the pubs where a teams fans (supporters in British) would congregate before a game and get drunk. Then they would march off to the match. The stadiums had large sections of unseated fans (standing room only) where pretty much anything went. I remember seeing people bring in their own six packs and getting even more drunk. I also remember one guy pulled out his dick in the stands and started pissing off to the side as it splashed on everybody else. What the hell, the bathroom was only a shed and you pissed on the ground. Women and small children generally were not at the matches. This was at the Scottish Rangers pitch.

    Given this, it is no wonder people who liked to fight started acting the big man at the pubs and drunks would charge at each other during the games. It also became something of a badge of honor.

    One of the ways this was eliminated was removing standing room only seating. It became much harder for a group to attack the other side before the security forces could stop them. Ticket prices are also out of reach now of working class people. A TV show on the English Premier League showed old time supporters griping about not being able to afford the 65 pound ticket prices.

  215. @S. Anonyia

    Statutes commonly forbade more than about five women from cohabiting, but those were meant to curb brothels, not lesbians.

    Of course, as the sexploitation flicks at the drive-ins and grindhouses in the nineteen-seventies taught us, lesbian brothels are where it’s really at – like peanut butter and chocolate!

    Kidding aside, lesbians are a lot less of a pestilence than homosexual males, especially as to public health and hygiene; lesbians’ pathologies mostly harm other lesbians, with less collateral damage to normal people.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  216. @Steve Sailer

    The US is a lot better now.

    Bruce Arena’s team of 2002 was not just better–they were monsters who also played stylish extremely mature and beautiful football and were robbed off semifinals at WC by atrocious refereeing during quarter-final against Germany. US team actually was dominating Germans that’s how good they were and not calling German hand ball at the goal line was one of the worst mistakes in the history of football. US team had actually a legitimate shot at finals. Referee decided otherwise. That was the Team! But then again, that team had some incredible talent especially Claudio Reyna, Brian McBride and Tony Sanneh. Well, Landon too. Definition of world-class. I don’t know how soon the US can reach that level again.

    • Replies: @c matt
    , @c matt
  217. anon[197] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Mexico

    “Of course 11 great 15U boys can work together to beat 11 women on the soccer pitch.”

    They don’t need to be great, just merely decent. My son’s so-so U-15 suburban club (not the top team in the state by any means) missing several good players easily handled a women’s pro team in WUSA that included many players from various national teams, including the infamous Rapinoe.
    Since these women are demanding equal pay, I think it’s fair they should be paid the same as U-14 boys with whom they should presumably be able compete – nothing. In fact, they should pay several thousand a year to play and be trained, just like the parents of these boys do.

  218. anon[197] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    It’s not a bad thing if folks who think they shouldn’t have children self-select out of the gene pool, no matter what their other gifts are.

  219. anon[197] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    I’ve played soccer against D1 girls and basketball against D1 and foreign NT players. I’m not D1 material in either sport, but I could dominate them just because of speed and strength.

  220. Nathan says:
    @MarkinLA

    Good points. There’s really no driving force for other countries to develop female soccer players.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  221. @LondonBob

    Wow! I watched all the way to the end. That was amazing.

  222. jb says:
    @ben tillman

    …it actually refers to a team composed of players who are 15 or under.

    I’ve been wondering about that. I’ve looked but I haven’t been able to find it explicitly spelled out anywhere.

  223. @MarkinLA

    Major League Soccer is the #5 team sport league in US sports. Minimum salaries look like c. $55k, median around $100k, mean several hundred K, and maximum is $7 million. That’s way behind hockey, but not terrible. The league seems to have done a good job right-sizing itself for its current level of popularity. For example, attendance is about 20,000 per game, which would look bad in an 80,000 seat football stadium like they used to play in. So they’ve built a bunch of 25,000 seat soccer-only stadiums that, I’m told, make for a fun environment.

    They play a summer schedule, so I imagine some players can pick up some work in Europe in the winter, the main international soccer season.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  224. Corvinus says:

    “America dominates women’s soccer for the same reason South Korea dominates women’s golf: because nobody else cares.”

    Actually, you haven’t NOTICED, but quite a number of Americans care, as evident by their active interest in the World Cup and the team.

    • Replies: @c matt
  225. AnonAnon says:

    but quite a number of Americans care, as evident by their active interest in the World Cup and the team

    Are you sure? Per the L.A. Times , ratings were way down from 2015: “The audience was down 38% from the 2015 USWNT final against Japan in 2015, which with 25.4 million viewers remains the most watched soccer match in U.S. history.”

    • Replies: @Marty T
    , @68W58
  226. rexl says:
    @Anonymous

    Living in San Diego I always felt that Marines should not marry, until after the service in the Corps.

  227. Cortes says:
    @MarkinLA

    If you don’t immediately get to one of the top teams in a top league you go where you can get some match action at a side with a reasonable expectation of decent media exposure. Having seen glimpses of one such young US guy in the last couple of weeks who looks tough, skilful and ambitious I’d say he made a good career decision and will be a big-money transfer target in about two years from now IF he maintains progress – lots of temptations out there for a young guy of 20 with “only” say £9k/week in wages at a club in a backwater League. Play well, train hard, learn to handle life in a new environment and there’s a chance to get the magic ticket to a place where TV money allows mediocre players to be awarded contracts for £100,000k week to warm the bench.

    • Replies: @Cortes
  228. Marty T says:
    @AnonAnon

    The game did start at 11 am, instead of prime time. That’s probably part of the ratings decline.

    The “popularity” of the women’s soccer team, with even many men pretending to care, is one of the most puzzling and concerning things about America today. This year, the team openly became a vessel for leftist anti Trump politics and Nike’s anti American crusades. This is not an organic system, this is a successful brainwashing effort. But who is the puppet master?

    • Replies: @Cortes
  229. Marty T says:
    @Tiny Duck

    The best women’s tennis player is black, while white men completely dominate the sport.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
  230. Rosie says:
    @everybodyhatesscott

    If they didn’t shove it in every ones faces, no one would care.

    OK, but f you’re going to object to equal pay on the grounds that women’s sports aren’t as profitable, it hardly seems fair to cry foul when there are attempts to promote it to make it more profitable. Men’s spectator sports have certainly benefited from a great deal of commercial promotion.

    That said, the way in which women’s soccer may well be agenda-driven, and extremely annoying on that account. As I said, I think the women’s team should scrap the equal pay demand and just market themselves as a lower-cost, family-friendly alternative.

    • Replies: @everybodyhatesscott
  231. Marty T says:
    @Cagey Beast

    The US women’s soccer team has been led by unlikable people for over a decade. At least now, in the Trump era, half the country gets it. Progress, I guess. The days of rooting for just anybody in a USA shirt are hopefully long gone.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  232. America dominates women’s soccer for the same reason South Korea dominates women’s golf: because nobody else cares.

    So what? That is such an American way to do things. Americans are geniuses at redefining standards so Americans come out on top. America had no tradition of court music or opera and no real deep-rooted folk traditions, so our composers and orchestras were mediocre compared to German, French, Italian and even Polish composers. So we just pushed pop and rap music as the most important genres, and now America is number 1. We bullied our way to making American cinema the defining standard and crushed artistically more interesting Italian, Japanese and Scandinavian ideas into the dust. We couldn’t succeed at soccer, so we tried to make basketball and American football global sports, with limited success. Then we hit on the bright idea of turning soccer into a girls’ sport, and it is working. Even countries like Germany, England and Brazil now feel compelled to field competitive teams, which adds a patina of seriousness to the whole endeavor, and will probably eventually make women’s soccer a true global entertainment behemoth. America continues to be a giant cultural bulldozer crushing every sprout of true diversity in its path.

  233. @LondonBob

    How is playing football going to help them find a husband?

    Women no longer need husbands at all, and are increasingly starting to realize that. In the 21st century women need men far less than men need women. This is the disaster that modern technology has brought upon us and a lot of people on the right seem completely oblivious to that fact.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    , @Rosie
  234. Marty T says:
    @prime noticer

    The absurd “equal pay” campaign will eventually turn into demands from let’s say, the WNBA, for “equal pay” with the NBA. It will happen because the people pushing this absurdity never stop.

  235. Old Prude says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Who is going to mow the grass?

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  236. Cortes says:
    @Cortes

    £100,000k/week is my error for £100k/week. Old age and haste.

  237. Cortes says:
    @Marty T

    The game started at Sunday afternoon prime time for the TV markets which count for FIFA.

  238. @Old Prude

    A Guatemalan immigrant presumably.

  239. It also speaks highly of the level of academy development MLS teams are doing these days.

    For people who follow international men’s soccer, this may be the most unintentionally humorous bit of the whole article. MLS and “player development” are oxymorons. But at least MLS development teams can beat girls. That will get the Mexicans trembling in their boots.

  240. @The Wild Geese Howard

    “Wouldn’t she vehemently oppose any distortions in the efficient operation of a market-based economy?”

    If that is the standard of Patriotism, we have had almost no true American Presidents. Maybe Herbert Hoover, and Reagan if you squint hard.

  241. Sandmich says:
    @countenance

    As someone else noted, if they were all that great they wouldn’t have had to try very hard. At my high school we fielded a ZZZ soccer team and a few of us had an informal indoor match up against one Italian dude who played semi-pro in Italy in his youth. He had a bit of fun beating us and showing us how it’s done.

    • Replies: @Cortes
  242. JMcG says:
    @LondonBob

    They televise darts over there as well.

  243. Brutusale says:
    @syonredux

    Sporting Lisbon snatched the 12-year old Cristiano Ronaldo from his home in Madeira and took him to the mainland, where he was a starter on the big team at 16.

  244. JMcG says:
    @Marty T

    Yep. I actually watched them play Japan last time. Never again.

  245. @Bardon Kaldian

    Because her life and ours are intertwined. A person’s life structures continue not only through his own children but also through the children of others.

  246. 68W58 says:
    @AnonAnon

    38 percent is about 10 million viewers, a lot of that can be accounted for by those who were angry about Rapinoe’s act (in fairness a couple of her teammates went along, though less stridently). My wife and I watch the World Cup when it rolls around, men and women, but not this time. Sports are supposed to be an escape from the headaches that come from politics and other real life concerns, keep dragging those in and people will simply turn away.

  247. @ben tillman

    I have dificulty following your line of thoughts. Some women are not made to be mothers. In the Western developed world, ca. 15-20% of females won’t have children, ever. In Japan, Korea,… even more.

    I’ve read the linked article- another waste of time- and it looks like this woman is simply not cut out for motherhood, not only as the primary fulfillment- but any type. She had led the life she liked, didn’t hurt anyone (as far as know) &….that’s it. Nothing more to say about the topic.

  248. @International Jew

    I had that exact same hallucination – bitch was maybe 5’4” and weighed 80lb on a good day, but when she took the rock to the hole she made Le Bron look like an amateur.

    And on D, when Le Bron cried after she made about her 50th slap, and she started talking smack and he just stood there bawling… i’ve never hallucinated anything like it, but it is concrete imaginary proof that it’s not just women’s teams who are weaker than children.

  249. @MarkinLA

    The US is the only place that has college athletics at such an organized level. There might be teams at other universities but there is nothing like the NCAA. I don’t think college athletics in other countries come close to being a feeder for the pro level like in the US. Many women’s team foreign players were scholarship players at US universities.

    Soccer in other countries has academies and developmental programs, a lot like baseball minor leagues but has anybody heard of Oxford winning the British collegiate championship? The most that I remember hearing about is Oxford versus Cambridge rowing on the Thames River.

    Women’s soccer was popular in the early 20th century in England until in 1929 the FA banned women’s soccer at all affiliated grounds due to the “damage caused to women’s bodies” and this effectively put an end to women’s soccer until the modern age.

    After (World War I), the idea of women’s international games emerged. In 1920, Alfred Frankland arranged for a women’s team organised by a French sporting governing body to tour England which was scheduled to play Dick, Kerr’s Ladies at four venues in Preston, Stockport, Manchester and London. Playing to crowds in the tens of thousands, the first ever international matches between women’s clubs resulted in two wins for the English side, one for the French and one draw. The series was popular enough to result in Dick, Kerr’s being invited over to France for a corresponding away tour. Going unbeaten in France, the team returned home to cheering crowds lining the streets, the equal of any accolade a men’s team had received.

    Currently the top level of the game centers on the Women’s Super League, which comprises the following clubs”

    Arsenal
    Birmingham City
    Brighton
    Bristol City
    Chelsea
    Liverpool
    Everton
    Manchester United
    Manchester City
    Tottenham Hotspur
    Reading
    West Ham United

    So 4 clubs from London, 4 clubs from the north west, one from the midlands, one from the south east, one from the south west, and one from the south central (Reading is about 40 miles from London).

    Then there are other feeder clubs at lower levels. For the most part interest in women’s soccer is based at club level.

    https://womenscompetitions.thefa.com/

    Chelsea vs Reading. Note the empty stadium. From what I understand good Women’s Super League matches can attract crowds of well over 1000 paying spectators, which is slightly better than my six-year-old daughter’s soccer league games in Florida, where it can be hard to find a parking space at times.

    https://womenscompetitions.thefa.com/-/media/project/femaleengagement/womens-leagues-and-comps/images/2018-19/super-league/chelsea-reading-1440.ashx?h=890&w=1440&la=en&hash=648C39434AF723A915EDC2A5E665C6D702A7F89F

  250. Rosie says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Women no longer need husbands at all, and are increasingly starting to realize that.

    I don’t see it that way at all. If you don’t have a husband, you’re not going to have kids unless you have a very good job. It’s expensive to be the sole breadwinner and pay for childcare. Indeed, women will only do this if their backs are really against the wall. They’re 39 with no prospects for a husband.

    Even welfare provides only for a minimal standard of living. You’re not going to be put out on the streets, but there’s no hope for anything better, either. You’ll never own your home, which is sad for women, because you can’t remodel or really do anything to make it just how you like it. Put yourself in a woman’s place and imagine how sad that would be.

    Now obviously that’s as it should be, because welfare is supposed to be a safety net, not an alternative lifestyle. Still, the point is that we still would much rather have a husband.

  251. MarkinLA says:
    @Nathan

    There probably is now as many of these women were on a women’s team either in their own league or one affiliated with the top male leagues in a country. Still, The US probably has 200-300 universities with soccer teams in order to allow them to provide scholarships to their football teams. I doubt there are that many slots in European women’s leagues.

  252. MarkinLA says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I think the big salaries are when a team bags some European star at the end of his career in order for the publicity like when the LA team brought David Beckham here. I am not sure that pays off in extra revenue.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  253. c matt says:
    @Rosie

    No one is worked up about them playing or having their own league. They are getting worked up about the constant bitching and whining about how they are just as good as the men, and deserve the same adulation, praise and MONEY when they do not deserve it. What happened to equal pay for EQUAL work????

  254. @Rosie

    I usually root for the USWNT out of nationalism. I rooted for the other team in the finals. This team was flat out unlikable. Starting with the 13-0 drubbing of thailand and still over the top celebrating, to rapinoe just being a cunt. Even the celebrations “Alex I’m a role model to young girl everywhere Morgan” twerking all over the place. I don’t generally root against women’s sports. I don’t care so if they can form their little league and make some money, have fun but “Men should subsidize us”and I start caring.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  255. @AnonAnon

    Ed Viesturs is the Chevy truck of extreme mountaineering.

    Viesturs is known for repeatedly abandoning his own expeditions to rescue other alpinists in harm’s way.

    Oddly enough Viesturs hails from Rockford, Illinois.

    His book, “No Shortcut to the Top,” is a good read.

    There is also lots of good literature about extreme mountaineering. Some of the accounts of disasters and failed expeditions are far more gripping and horrifying than any movie.

  256. @Autochthon

    Lesbians, other than the extreme man-hating dykes, don’t really bother me.

    Heck, I worked with a heavyset, mannish lesbian named Ty in college. Was pretty much like working with another guy.

    Rapinoe bothers me because of her attitude. I’d be impressed with her if she took a page from Terrell Davis or Barry Sanders and acted like she’d been there before.

  257. Rosie says:
    @everybodyhatesscott

    Even the celebrations “Alex I’m a role model to young girl everywhere Morgan” twerking all over the place.

    Your take is very reasonable. As I said, I think the girls should target the family niche, but that would require them to conduct themselves appropriately.

    I would like to see higher standards of conduct for all athletes. As a mother, I can tell you that I have seen no evidence that this kind of obnoxious behavior has trickled down to youth sport, thank Almighty God.

  258. @ben tillman

    It depends – when I was a kiddie (last millennium), in footy, rugby, soccer, baseball and cricket the age rules governing “under-[X]” teams were consistent across the board: players had to have been under the age of [X] on some specific date, which was usually referred to as the ‘registration date’, and was about a week or so before the start of the season. Kids who turned [X] early in the season but who stayed in the U[X]s were viewed as opportunists who were too scared to try to compete against their actual peers.

    Since kiddies advance very rapidly in their mid-to-late teens, the kids in under-17 and under-19 who turned 19 soon after the cutoff were like a different species: as a Februarian I was at most “[X] – 11 months” at the qualifying date for winter sports, and “[X]-4” months for cricket and baseball. I never turned [X] during either season. Winter sports were a grind, too: in U-17s I was about median height … I was a late bloomer and added the last 5 inches of my eventual adult height, after the age of 20.

    I remember a kid in my younger brother’s age cohort who usually turned [X] a few days after the winter sports cutoff; he was always the biggest kid by a mile, and absolutely dominated in his [X] year… until U-19, where he aged out due to a change in the qualifying date and had to try to get a game in the “2s” (adult B-grade), where he was fucking hopeless because in reality he dominated in kid sports because he was just big. My brother was born in September, so turned [X] near the end of the season for winter sports: he played in the adult A-grade from age 17 because he was big and skilled (his eldest kid did the same 25 years later).

  259. @Magyar

    Getting half-drowned is an integral part of water polo. I was a reasonably competitive straight-line swimmer at school, but when I tried out for water polo I fucking near drowned. I’ve never fought so hard for breath in my life: I gave up on water polo about a week later.

  260. @Spangel

    Would the media care so much if the team weren’t full of lesbians?

    I don’t even know how many lesbos are on the women’s team, but when we tried to watch a game a few weeks back, we couldn’t last more than 10 minutes because the announcers kept telling us all about an engaged couple on the team. My husband was gagging and just turned it off. Too bad; it was enjoyable to see some good soccer.

  261. c matt says:
    @An Aussie

    Sweden v. U-17 (talk about distraction for a U-17 boy!!)
    Australia v. U-16
    US v. U-15 . . .

    I note a trend. Somewhere between U-13 and U-10, they may actually win!

  262. c matt says:
    @Dan Hayes

    It will stop the second it affects LeBron’s sponsorship deals.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  263. c matt says:
    @Rosie

    No, the surprise would be if you didn’t.

  264. c matt says:
    @Rosie

    In Europe and South America (actually, anywhere outside US and Canada basically), soccer is a working man’s sport. In the US and Canada, it is half Prep/half immigrant (or foreign exchange student) sport.

  265. c matt says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    The players are here. The structure/funding is not. Other countries scour their nation (and sometimes others) to find players; here, players have to scour the nation to find opportunities. Gets expensive. Title IX also prevents meaningful opportunity for men’s soccer scholarship, so even that route is blocked.

    Compare how American college football and basketball programs recruit high schoolers, who then feed into the pros. With Title IX sucking up available scholarship $$$ outside the big three men’s sports (FB, BskTB, BsB), nothing left for men’s soccer.

    A smart Euro club would do here what they do in Africa – set up youth shops. But then, the MLS would suffer greatly. Who would go to FC Dallas U-15 when you could go to Chelsea instead? The MLS pwtb would not allow it.

  266. Cortes says:
    @Sandmich

    I saw a guy in his 50s (who’d been an international star in his twenties) in a Civil Service league game destroying colleagues of mine in their 20s. I was just glad not to be on the pitch at the same time.

    The difference in quality from skilled amateur to great professional players is unbelievable.

    Women’s professional players are not even at the same level as skilled male amateurs. What’s sad is that the attempt to make women’s football equivalent to men’s renders it into a clown show.

  267. c matt says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Reyna, McBride and that guy the played in Holland (forget his name) – they played in Europe. Dempsey and Bradley as well as many others from the 2014 squad played in Europe. Coming back to the MLS ruined them for 2018. The difference between the MLS and top European leagues is, well, the difference between the USWNT and 18 year old boys.

    • Replies: @Cortes
  268. c matt says:
    @Corvinus

    ???

    I think you missed the point. Because the point was that only Americans seem to care about women’s soccer, like only South Koreans care about women’s golf. Hence why they dominate said categories. The clue was the words “nobody else cares.”

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  269. Cortes says:
    @c matt

    The difference is really with a league of 13-yr-old European boys and maybe 10-yr-old Uruguayans…

  270. Chriscom says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Re Wie, I followed her career a bit and still wonder what happened. Even accounting for overbearing parents and later injuries I am surprised she didn’t go further. I remember sitting in a clubhouse watching her probably at the Sony when she didn’t make the cut, saying to the bartender “it’s only a matter of time. ” ít was, just not in the way I thought.

    How could you do so well at 14! and basically having it stop there?

  271. Anon7 says:

    I just found this pre-woke The Atlantic article on Men vs. Women in sports – will women catch up to men in sports?

    No.

    We Thought Female Athletes Were Catching Up to Men, but They’re Not

    “Running. Swimming. Rowing. Kayaking. Short distance, long distance. Accomplished in teams or attempted alone.These are such diverse events, requiring different parts of the body and diverse types of talent. And yet they all share something: Their women’s speed world records are all about 90 percent of their men’s speed world records, in both short, middle and long distances.”

    Amusingly, the (male) author felt compelled to say that women have caught up to men in swimming!!

    Except they compared today’s women with Mark Spitz’s 1967 100 meter butterfly record. If you look at today’s men, women are still well behind.

  272. @Marty T

    “The best women’s tennis player is black,” and she married a white dude and had his kid. Venus is dating a white dude. How does that fit into the Duck’s worldview?

  273. Cybele says:

    I don’t understand it myself, but if women want to play this stupid boring game, I say go for it. Apparently they draw a bigger audience than the men, and in this country, that is ALL that matters. Viewers in America are more interested in watching women play soccer than men; obviously they should be paid more whether ten year old boys beat them or not.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/08/womens-world-cup-draws-better-us-ratings-than-last-years-mens-final.html

  274. Marty T says:
    @Barnard

    I believe Geno Auriemma has a male practice team at Uconn also. I believe one of his former players married one of the practice guys.

  275. Corvinus says:
    @c matt

    “Because the point was that only Americans seem to care about women’s soccer…”

    Actually, dozens of nations care about women’s soccer. That’s why there is a World Cup. It’s a popular sport. Have you been away from our world for very long?

  276. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @MarkinLA

    I bet it does pay off in increased revenue. MLS’s best goals so far for 2019 include a blast from beyond midfield by Wayne Rooney and a bicycle kick by Zlatan Ibrahimović.

  277. @ben tillman

    A human is composed of — and helps to compose — life forms at higher and lower levels of organization (e.g.,, genes). She and share many of these life forms. To a significant extent, my life exists in her body and her offspring.

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