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From the NYT:

Officials Debate Effect of Scrutiny on Police

By ERIC LICHTBLAU NOV. 4, 2015

WASHINGTON — A rift widened Wednesday within the Obama administration over the politically charged question of whether a surge in crime in some cities reflects the reluctance of the police to confront suspicious people because of increased public scrutiny of their behavior.

“I think there’s something to it,” Chuck Rosenberg, the acting chief of the Drug Enforcement Administration, told reporters at a news conference.

Mr. Rosenberg said he sensed “more trepidation” among the police about confronting people for fear of ending up in a video controversy like the kind that have become common in cities nationwide in the last year.

“Rightly or wrongly, you become the next viral video,” he said, adding that “now you can do everything right and still end up on the evening news.”

Mr. Rosenberg became the second top federal law enforcement official in two weeks to wade into the debate over the so-called Ferguson effect, named after the Missouri city where the fatal police shooting of a black teenager, Michael Brown, led to months of protests. …

But the White House has distanced itself from that notion, and some officials there and at the Justice Department felt that Mr. Comey’s remarks undermined their efforts to hold the police more accountable for civil rights abuses, while revealing a division within the administration that threatened to become a political distraction for President Obama on a major criminal-justice issue.

An alternative (if related) theory of causation would be that since the White House has been encouraging black criminals to feel like government is on their side rather than the side of the cops, blacks have been acting out more.

One way to check this is to look at my graph of the 60 biggest cities ranked in order of increase in murder victims from pre August 9, 2014 to the same time period in 2015 (based on Carl Bialik’s data in FiveThirtyEight.) The biggest absolute increases have been in heavily black cities.

The Obama Administration’s promotion of BlackLivesMatter rageaholics seems to be encouraging blacks to murder blacks.

 
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  1. Before Obama’s reelection, Bill Maher said it was important to reelect him, because racism (that the first black president being a one-termer would provide fuel for racists, something like that). But, aside from the stock market going up and Osama Bin Laden being dead, Obama’s presidency is starting to seem like a rolling catastrophe.

    Is he too insulated by adulation to see, or doesn’t he care?

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    But, aside from the stock market going up and Osama Bin Laden being dead,
     
    Two things for which he should be given zero credit.
    , @Realist
    "But, aside from the stock market going up and Osama Bin Laden being dead, Obama’s presidency is starting to seem like a rolling catastrophe."

    Obama has absolutely nothing to do with the stock market going up.
    , @Jim
    As far as the pathology of inner city blacks there is no indication that Obama has had any effect other than possibly increasing murder rates.
    , @peterike
    Obama’s presidency is starting to seem like a rolling catastrophe. Is he too insulated by adulation to see, or doesn’t he care?

    The Obama presidency has been a huge, huge success for Globalist Progressives. What's not to like? White nations being over-run world wide. Gay everything everywhere all the time. Trans making a rapid (and likely successful) bid for normalization. White working class beaten down, and now actually killing themselves! The surveillance state running full tilt. The Zio War Party wreaking havoc across the Middle East. Social media pressure on CrimeThink greater than ever. Blacks being steadily ejected from elite cities into once white suburbs. And the rich are much, much richer.

    Catastrophe? These are the Golden Years son, you just have to be viewing things from the top down.
    , @Ed
    Actually Obama has probably kept the US out of a wider war in the Middle East, and arguably war with either Russia or China. He has given the neocons just enough to have some fun, but been able to take the ball away at the right moments. Look at who his opponents were in the Democratic primaries and the general election.
    , @(((Owen)))
    "aside from the stock market going up and Osama Bin Laden being dead, Obama’s presidency is starting to seem like a rolling catastrophe."

    We're finally mostly out of Iraq and getting there in Afghanistan, and we didn't get into a new war in Syria (against Russia) like the Republicans wanted. We have relations again with Iran and Cuba. There are no new nuclear powers and no new effective terrorist networks aimed at the West. Latin America is as democratic as it's ever been and mostly prosperous. China and the far East are in good economic condition and mutually interdependent trade continues to make war unlikely, including both among themselves and with us. The Ukraine and Russia thing is a mess but we kept our own feet out of the fire in the end. Illegal immigration has slowed: the same estimates of 12-20 MM illegals prevail as did eight years ago.


    Back home, unemployment is down and the housing bubble has somewhat liquidated. Inflation is under control and the economy is growing again, though slowly.

    That's pretty good, not a rolling catastrophe.

    I'd hope the next president does as well as Obama but I suspect that's hoping for too much.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Did Osama really get killed during the raid?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYYKaOIh9aw
  2. @Dave Pinsen
    Before Obama's reelection, Bill Maher said it was important to reelect him, because racism (that the first black president being a one-termer would provide fuel for racists, something like that). But, aside from the stock market going up and Osama Bin Laden being dead, Obama's presidency is starting to seem like a rolling catastrophe.

    Is he too insulated by adulation to see, or doesn't he care?

    But, aside from the stock market going up and Osama Bin Laden being dead,

    Two things for which he should be given zero credit.

    • Replies: @(((Owen)))
    "Osama Bin Laden being dead,"

    A great credit to Obama. Bush 43 announced that he wasn't going after Osama anymore. Then Hillary and McCain both declared that there would be no action against Al Qaeda or its leaders in Pakistan without Paki permission. All three of them had intelligence briefings informing them that the CIA knew Osama was in Pakistan being protected by the Paki government.

    Obama came right out during the campaign saying so and he also said he'd go right into Pakistan and get Osama. Obama took a lot of flak in the MSM for that and Hillary used it to paint him as callow and unready for serious diplomacy.

    When Obama managed to win anyway, he did just what he said. Our boys in special ops never would have had the chance without Obama first standing up to neocons like Bush, McCain, and Hillary that wanted to protect Osama if necessary to keep up military contracts with Paki intelligence.
  3. @Dave Pinsen
    Before Obama's reelection, Bill Maher said it was important to reelect him, because racism (that the first black president being a one-termer would provide fuel for racists, something like that). But, aside from the stock market going up and Osama Bin Laden being dead, Obama's presidency is starting to seem like a rolling catastrophe.

    Is he too insulated by adulation to see, or doesn't he care?

    “But, aside from the stock market going up and Osama Bin Laden being dead, Obama’s presidency is starting to seem like a rolling catastrophe.”

    Obama has absolutely nothing to do with the stock market going up.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    Sane valuation has had nothing to do with the stock market going up since he's been in office, so it's a moot point anyway.
  4. Contact CNN, Fox, CNBC etc — this ‘debate’ would be more interesting than any of the others so far.

  5. @Realist
    "But, aside from the stock market going up and Osama Bin Laden being dead, Obama’s presidency is starting to seem like a rolling catastrophe."

    Obama has absolutely nothing to do with the stock market going up.

    Sane valuation has had nothing to do with the stock market going up since he’s been in office, so it’s a moot point anyway.

  6. Ah, Boston. Just pale enough to think they’re a European country, and act that way.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Ah, Boston, where the Irish/Italian axis still holds the reins of BPD power. And where black witnesses are willing to give up the shytebags, which isn't the case among the "Snitches Need Stitches" boyos in Southie and The Town.
  7. “The Obama Administration’s promotion of BlackLivesMatter rageaholics seems to be encouraging blacks to murder blacks.”

    Not a problem.

  8. “But the White House has distanced itself from that notion, and some officials there and at the Justice Department felt that Mr. Comey’s remarks undermined their efforts to hold the police more accountable for civil rights abuses”

    Notice that they distanced themselves NOT because they thought that his remarks were UNTRUE but because his remarks “undermined their efforts” to place the blame for black misbehavior upon the police rather than blacks themselves. They made no effort to counter the gist of his statement with a direct rebuttal but, lawyerly style, deflected it with a wave of their brightly colored cape.

  9. > An alternative theory of causation would be that since the White House has been encouraging black criminals to feel like government is on their side rather than the side of the cops, blacks have been acting out more.

    Recaps of the circumstances of Mike Brown’s death suggest that the media is on the side of black criminals, as well. (Presumably, Mr. Brown’s colleagues will continue to steer clear of reporters’ and editors’ neighborhoods.)

    Get me rewrite:

    Mr. Rosenberg became the second top federal law enforcement official in two weeks to wade into the debate over the so-called Ferguson effect, named after the Missouri city where the fatal police shooting of a black teenager, Michael Brown, led to months of protests. … a policeman acted in self-defense and fatally shot a teenaged black criminal, Michael Brown, as Brown was attacking him after robbing a convenience store. Because eyewitnesses falsely blamed the policeman for the incident, months of protests ensued…

  10. The Obama Administration’s promotion of BlackLivesMatter rageaholics seems to be encouraging blacks to murder blacks.

    Not sure I see a problem here…

  11. @Dave Pinsen
    Before Obama's reelection, Bill Maher said it was important to reelect him, because racism (that the first black president being a one-termer would provide fuel for racists, something like that). But, aside from the stock market going up and Osama Bin Laden being dead, Obama's presidency is starting to seem like a rolling catastrophe.

    Is he too insulated by adulation to see, or doesn't he care?

    As far as the pathology of inner city blacks there is no indication that Obama has had any effect other than possibly increasing murder rates.

  12. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Saw some BLM signs posted in front of a Unitarian church the other day; not a lot of blacks there. Much of this hoopla is geared to a white audience. Concern over the preciousness of black lives is being used as a vehicle for other things such as increased government control over guns and their eventual confiscation. White SJW types can get that good noble feeling from patting the nearest black person on the head like some helpless but cute pet. It’s up to whites to ‘do something’ to affect black behavior albeit with kid gloves; just wave a magic wand.
    Meanwhile in Chicago in the past few days a nine year old was deliberately targeted and shot to death; a 20 year old female who just won a modeling contest was killed in a drive-by; two brothers charged in a homicide stemming from an argument over some children’s clothes; and on and on. These blacks are mean and care nothing about anything; they’re not even human.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    "These blacks are mean and care about nothing."

    Google "Geraldine Davidson murder."
  13. My question: how do we actually get control of corrupt or brutal police departments (which plenty of big cities have) without making them scared to do their jobs? It’s clear that protest marches and riots and media vilification of cops don’t work out so well, but letting cops get away with smacking people around for contempt of cop is also not a good idea.

    What I’d like to see is having police misconduct cases handled by an outside police agency (probably on a state basis), with a separate prosecutor who doesn’t deal with the local cops in his day to day job. And ideally, they would have some middle choice between “send him back to work” and “indict him for murder.” Lots of guys shouldn’t be in jail or wearing a policeman’s uniform.

    • Agree: E. Rekshun, Vendetta
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    I think body cameras are a win/win for all law-abiding folks (police and non-police alike) and a lose/lose for criminals (with or without a badge). They protect citizens from corrupt cops and cops from corrupt citizens. The "thin blue line" will never be broken so the next best thing is to take as much power from it as we can.
  14. NOTA: always-on body cameras for cops. I think all gov’t employees should be recorded whenever they’re working and not in the can, actually. The surveillance state should be about surveilling the state.

    • Agree: International Jew
  15. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Overall the data speak for themselves, but a big exception in the trend is Memphis, TN. I lived their briefly and I think it is very similar in demographics to baltimore, NOLA, and St Louis. It’s change YTD in murder is negative, second only to Boston. Anyone have any info on what is happening there?

  16. An alternative (if related) theory of causation would be that since the White House has been encouraging black criminals to feel like government is on their side rather than the side of the cops, blacks have been acting out more.

    One way to check this is to look at my graph of the 60 biggest cities ranked in order of increase in murder victims from pre August 9, 2014 to the same time period in 2015 (based on Carl Bialik’s data in FiveThirtyEight.) The biggest absolute increases have been in heavily black cities.

    It seems that it’s more specific than that. The two top cities are Baltimore and St. Louis. It looks like the protests and anti-police sentiment in particular cities are playing a larger role than federal statements. Detroit has not had any prominent (as far as I know) protests recently, and so, despite its large black population, has only had a very modest increase.

  17. It is surprising to see my old stomping ground Jacksonville take a dip. It is definitely one of the larger concentrations of blacks in Florida and has always been notorious for its high murder rate. Is it possible that the good people of Springdale just topped out and couldn’t do any more murdering if they wanted to?

  18. @Dave Pinsen
    Before Obama's reelection, Bill Maher said it was important to reelect him, because racism (that the first black president being a one-termer would provide fuel for racists, something like that). But, aside from the stock market going up and Osama Bin Laden being dead, Obama's presidency is starting to seem like a rolling catastrophe.

    Is he too insulated by adulation to see, or doesn't he care?

    Obama’s presidency is starting to seem like a rolling catastrophe. Is he too insulated by adulation to see, or doesn’t he care?

    The Obama presidency has been a huge, huge success for Globalist Progressives. What’s not to like? White nations being over-run world wide. Gay everything everywhere all the time. Trans making a rapid (and likely successful) bid for normalization. White working class beaten down, and now actually killing themselves! The surveillance state running full tilt. The Zio War Party wreaking havoc across the Middle East. Social media pressure on CrimeThink greater than ever. Blacks being steadily ejected from elite cities into once white suburbs. And the rich are much, much richer.

    Catastrophe? These are the Golden Years son, you just have to be viewing things from the top down.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @NOTA
    It's almost like we get the same outcomes regardless of which candidate we elect.
  19. @Dave Pinsen
    Before Obama's reelection, Bill Maher said it was important to reelect him, because racism (that the first black president being a one-termer would provide fuel for racists, something like that). But, aside from the stock market going up and Osama Bin Laden being dead, Obama's presidency is starting to seem like a rolling catastrophe.

    Is he too insulated by adulation to see, or doesn't he care?

    Actually Obama has probably kept the US out of a wider war in the Middle East, and arguably war with either Russia or China. He has given the neocons just enough to have some fun, but been able to take the ball away at the right moments. Look at who his opponents were in the Democratic primaries and the general election.

    • Agree: Hunsdon
  20. No matter, Trump’s stand on law-and-order and more policing in high-crime neighborhoods will play well to the great majority of older, law-abiding residents who are trapped in these inner city areas. Heather MacDonald has reported on this fact repeatedly in her writings: http://www.city-journal.org/html/11_2_the_myth.html

  21. Economists Sethi and O’Flaherty pointed out in several papers on the black/white murder gap, small changes in fundamentals can have dramatic changes in murder rates. Fundamentals include policing intensity and methods.

    The basic gist is that expectations of violence increases the incentive to act violent first. A simple point that when you bring to the data can have quite dramatic consequences.

    See:

    Peaceable Kingdoms and War Zones: http://www.nber.org/chapters/c11847.pdf

    Homicide in Black & White: http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Rajiv_Sethi2/publication/227358299_Homicide_in_black_and_white/links/54dfd0630cf29666378be783.pdf

    • Replies: @Bad memories

    The basic gist is that expectations of violence increases the incentive to act violent first. A simple point that when you bring to the data can have quite dramatic consequences.
     
    Given that the black-on-black murder rate is much higher than the white-on-black murder rate what is your point?
  22. Did not see Cleveland on the list, but their homicide rate for 2015 has already passed the 2014 total of 102. On October 6TH

  23. BLM is a black licence to kill.

    Each other at least.

  24. . . . some officials there and at the Justice Department felt that Mr. Comey’s remarks undermined their efforts to hold the police more accountable for civil rights abuse. . .

    It would be possible to give credence to the administrations concerns if it didn’t make its bad faith so obvious. When it takes the side of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown it really tips its hand, letting us know it’s really all about race, not fair play.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Exactly. The "if I had a son" comments really laid bare the reality that the Department of Justice has become the Department of Just Us.
  25. @NOTA
    My question: how do we actually get control of corrupt or brutal police departments (which plenty of big cities have) without making them scared to do their jobs? It's clear that protest marches and riots and media vilification of cops don't work out so well, but letting cops get away with smacking people around for contempt of cop is also not a good idea.

    What I'd like to see is having police misconduct cases handled by an outside police agency (probably on a state basis), with a separate prosecutor who doesn't deal with the local cops in his day to day job. And ideally, they would have some middle choice between "send him back to work" and "indict him for murder." Lots of guys shouldn't be in jail or wearing a policeman's uniform.

    I think body cameras are a win/win for all law-abiding folks (police and non-police alike) and a lose/lose for criminals (with or without a badge). They protect citizens from corrupt cops and cops from corrupt citizens. The “thin blue line” will never be broken so the next best thing is to take as much power from it as we can.

  26. @Harry Baldwin
    . . . some officials there and at the Justice Department felt that Mr. Comey’s remarks undermined their efforts to hold the police more accountable for civil rights abuse. . .

    It would be possible to give credence to the administrations concerns if it didn't make its bad faith so obvious. When it takes the side of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown it really tips its hand, letting us know it's really all about race, not fair play.

    Exactly. The “if I had a son” comments really laid bare the reality that the Department of Justice has become the Department of Just Us.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Silber
    ...the Department of Justice has become the Department of Just Us.

    Or the Department of Black Lives Matter.
  27. @anonymous
    Saw some BLM signs posted in front of a Unitarian church the other day; not a lot of blacks there. Much of this hoopla is geared to a white audience. Concern over the preciousness of black lives is being used as a vehicle for other things such as increased government control over guns and their eventual confiscation. White SJW types can get that good noble feeling from patting the nearest black person on the head like some helpless but cute pet. It's up to whites to 'do something' to affect black behavior albeit with kid gloves; just wave a magic wand.
    Meanwhile in Chicago in the past few days a nine year old was deliberately targeted and shot to death; a 20 year old female who just won a modeling contest was killed in a drive-by; two brothers charged in a homicide stemming from an argument over some children's clothes; and on and on. These blacks are mean and care nothing about anything; they're not even human.

    “These blacks are mean and care about nothing.”

    Google “Geraldine Davidson murder.”

    • Replies: @Stan D Mute

    “These blacks are mean and care about nothing.”

    Google “Geraldine Davidson murder.”
     
    I did and saw nothing remotely unusual. Well, actually I didn't see a rape charge and that's unusual. But negroes murder octogenarian white ladies all. the. time. Usually they rape them either before or after (or both) murdering them. I recall somebody was starting a list of the victims, maybe Daily Kenn, but don't know if the effort was maintained. Seems like usually they burn out on the project after a few months. The way the media tries to hide these things it's a lot of work to find them and maintain a list.

    What would be extraordinary - I can't ever recall seeing it - is a white murdering an elderly negro. When whites kill elderly it's mainly their own parents for an inheritance.
  28. @peterike
    Obama’s presidency is starting to seem like a rolling catastrophe. Is he too insulated by adulation to see, or doesn’t he care?

    The Obama presidency has been a huge, huge success for Globalist Progressives. What's not to like? White nations being over-run world wide. Gay everything everywhere all the time. Trans making a rapid (and likely successful) bid for normalization. White working class beaten down, and now actually killing themselves! The surveillance state running full tilt. The Zio War Party wreaking havoc across the Middle East. Social media pressure on CrimeThink greater than ever. Blacks being steadily ejected from elite cities into once white suburbs. And the rich are much, much richer.

    Catastrophe? These are the Golden Years son, you just have to be viewing things from the top down.

    It’s almost like we get the same outcomes regardless of which candidate we elect.

  29. @Dan in Euroland
    Economists Sethi and O'Flaherty pointed out in several papers on the black/white murder gap, small changes in fundamentals can have dramatic changes in murder rates. Fundamentals include policing intensity and methods.

    The basic gist is that expectations of violence increases the incentive to act violent first. A simple point that when you bring to the data can have quite dramatic consequences.

    See:

    Peaceable Kingdoms and War Zones: http://www.nber.org/chapters/c11847.pdf

    Homicide in Black & White: http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Rajiv_Sethi2/publication/227358299_Homicide_in_black_and_white/links/54dfd0630cf29666378be783.pdf

    The basic gist is that expectations of violence increases the incentive to act violent first. A simple point that when you bring to the data can have quite dramatic consequences.

    Given that the black-on-black murder rate is much higher than the white-on-black murder rate what is your point?

  30. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/05/ferguson-effect-ploy-reduce-scrutiny-police


    “The ‘Ferguson effect’ is just a ploy to reduce scrutiny of the police “

    • Replies: @NOTA
    Police are certainly likely to use it that way. That doesn't tell us whether there's something to it. One possibility is that police in cities with a lot of protests/anger are staging an informal work slowdown by following all procedures exactly. This is a pretty common labor trick ("working to rule"). Another is that the police really are reluctant to get physical even when the law is on their side, lest they get screwed over via videocamera. Still another is that lots of black criminals are taking heart from all this scrutiny and expecting the cops to be backing off a bit.

    My bet would be that this is probably one of those crime rate fluctuations that happens sometimes and mostly isn't about what political policies are being enacted this year. Remember that the main way we know to seriously affect the crime rate is to spend zillions of dollars locking up lots of people--I'm very skeptical that political rhetoric is having much effect!
  31. “The Obama Administration’s promotion of BlackLivesMatter rageaholics seems to be encouraging blacks to murder blacks.”

    That’s why I have been saying for several months now that Trump may be missing a big opportunity by not making BLM a big issue of his campaign. I see that unz.com has just posted an article from the San Jose Mercury News about Google’s financing of BLM: “Google Pumps $2.35 Million Into Racial Justice Projects, Including #BlackLivesMatter Video App.” I don’t know what he has to lose by taking an anodyne position such as expressing his belief that “all lives matter,” thereby tossing a live grenade into the Democratic Party nominating process. He has much more to gain than to lose, imo. Framed that way would give Hillary and company a lot to explain to the many white voters who may wonder why their lives would count as less important than black lives.

  32. @David In TN
    "These blacks are mean and care about nothing."

    Google "Geraldine Davidson murder."

    “These blacks are mean and care about nothing.”

    Google “Geraldine Davidson murder.”

    I did and saw nothing remotely unusual. Well, actually I didn’t see a rape charge and that’s unusual. But negroes murder octogenarian white ladies all. the. time. Usually they rape them either before or after (or both) murdering them. I recall somebody was starting a list of the victims, maybe Daily Kenn, but don’t know if the effort was maintained. Seems like usually they burn out on the project after a few months. The way the media tries to hide these things it’s a lot of work to find them and maintain a list.

    What would be extraordinary – I can’t ever recall seeing it – is a white murdering an elderly negro. When whites kill elderly it’s mainly their own parents for an inheritance.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    "I did and saw nothing remotely unusual."

    Which was my point.

    This case does have one thing out of the ordinary. The ID Channel had an episode on it a few nights ago on their "Killer Instinct" show. Another oddity was the main killer actually was executed.

    The perps drove the car around with the 84-year old white lady bound and gagged in the trunk of the car. They went to their neighborhood and showed a dozen or so ordinary black folks what they had in their trunk. None of them (people Obama, Hillary, Rand Paul, etc would consider salt of the earth African Americans) saw anything wrong with it or asked them to let the lady go, much less contact the police.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Stan D Mute....not to be callous, but forget the elderly victim. Cleveland in the past few weeks had a five year old boy, a three year old boy and a five month old baby girl fall victim to drive by shootings. A fifteen year old boy was approached and shot dead. Also a four year old boy and a 10 year old boy shot and wounded. All of the victims were black and in only one case, the three year old, has a suspect been named and sought. Yeah, sure BLM
  33. @Anonymous Nephew
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/05/ferguson-effect-ploy-reduce-scrutiny-police



    "The 'Ferguson effect' is just a ploy to reduce scrutiny of the police "

    Police are certainly likely to use it that way. That doesn’t tell us whether there’s something to it. One possibility is that police in cities with a lot of protests/anger are staging an informal work slowdown by following all procedures exactly. This is a pretty common labor trick (“working to rule”). Another is that the police really are reluctant to get physical even when the law is on their side, lest they get screwed over via videocamera. Still another is that lots of black criminals are taking heart from all this scrutiny and expecting the cops to be backing off a bit.

    My bet would be that this is probably one of those crime rate fluctuations that happens sometimes and mostly isn’t about what political policies are being enacted this year. Remember that the main way we know to seriously affect the crime rate is to spend zillions of dollars locking up lots of people–I’m very skeptical that political rhetoric is having much effect!

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    NOTA, the truth really seems to be that police infrequently solve murders and rarely prevent them. The spike in homicide's is probably due to a nastier strain of criminals on the street. There are weekly murders where the victim of a drive by is a woman, two last week in Cleveland.
  34. @AndrewR
    Exactly. The "if I had a son" comments really laid bare the reality that the Department of Justice has become the Department of Just Us.

    …the Department of Justice has become the Department of Just Us.

    Or the Department of Black Lives Matter.

  35. @Stan D Mute

    “These blacks are mean and care about nothing.”

    Google “Geraldine Davidson murder.”
     
    I did and saw nothing remotely unusual. Well, actually I didn't see a rape charge and that's unusual. But negroes murder octogenarian white ladies all. the. time. Usually they rape them either before or after (or both) murdering them. I recall somebody was starting a list of the victims, maybe Daily Kenn, but don't know if the effort was maintained. Seems like usually they burn out on the project after a few months. The way the media tries to hide these things it's a lot of work to find them and maintain a list.

    What would be extraordinary - I can't ever recall seeing it - is a white murdering an elderly negro. When whites kill elderly it's mainly their own parents for an inheritance.

    “I did and saw nothing remotely unusual.”

    Which was my point.

    This case does have one thing out of the ordinary. The ID Channel had an episode on it a few nights ago on their “Killer Instinct” show. Another oddity was the main killer actually was executed.

    The perps drove the car around with the 84-year old white lady bound and gagged in the trunk of the car. They went to their neighborhood and showed a dozen or so ordinary black folks what they had in their trunk. None of them (people Obama, Hillary, Rand Paul, etc would consider salt of the earth African Americans) saw anything wrong with it or asked them to let the lady go, much less contact the police.

  36. @Stan D Mute

    “These blacks are mean and care about nothing.”

    Google “Geraldine Davidson murder.”
     
    I did and saw nothing remotely unusual. Well, actually I didn't see a rape charge and that's unusual. But negroes murder octogenarian white ladies all. the. time. Usually they rape them either before or after (or both) murdering them. I recall somebody was starting a list of the victims, maybe Daily Kenn, but don't know if the effort was maintained. Seems like usually they burn out on the project after a few months. The way the media tries to hide these things it's a lot of work to find them and maintain a list.

    What would be extraordinary - I can't ever recall seeing it - is a white murdering an elderly negro. When whites kill elderly it's mainly their own parents for an inheritance.

    Stan D Mute….not to be callous, but forget the elderly victim. Cleveland in the past few weeks had a five year old boy, a three year old boy and a five month old baby girl fall victim to drive by shootings. A fifteen year old boy was approached and shot dead. Also a four year old boy and a 10 year old boy shot and wounded. All of the victims were black and in only one case, the three year old, has a suspect been named and sought. Yeah, sure BLM

  37. @NOTA
    Police are certainly likely to use it that way. That doesn't tell us whether there's something to it. One possibility is that police in cities with a lot of protests/anger are staging an informal work slowdown by following all procedures exactly. This is a pretty common labor trick ("working to rule"). Another is that the police really are reluctant to get physical even when the law is on their side, lest they get screwed over via videocamera. Still another is that lots of black criminals are taking heart from all this scrutiny and expecting the cops to be backing off a bit.

    My bet would be that this is probably one of those crime rate fluctuations that happens sometimes and mostly isn't about what political policies are being enacted this year. Remember that the main way we know to seriously affect the crime rate is to spend zillions of dollars locking up lots of people--I'm very skeptical that political rhetoric is having much effect!

    NOTA, the truth really seems to be that police infrequently solve murders and rarely prevent them. The spike in homicide’s is probably due to a nastier strain of criminals on the street. There are weekly murders where the victim of a drive by is a woman, two last week in Cleveland.

  38. Notice how Lictblau framed it as Black vs White administration officials instead of law enforcement officials vs White House officials?

  39. …whether a surge in crime in some cities reflects the reluctance of the police to confront suspicious people because of increased public scrutiny of their behavior.

    What???
    So it’s now down to NYT employing journalists who cannot write a legible sentence…

  40. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Instead of focusing on the cities where the murder rate went up, I would like to focus on the cities where the murder rate went down. What made Boston decrease its murder rate? Was it underreporting? Or people deciding to behave better? Or was it change in demographics?

    My understanding is that the following groups are less likely to commit homicide than the national average:

    1. SWPLs
    2. Jews
    3. Asians
    4. White women
    5. Young children
    6. The elderly

    Did Boston experience growth in population in low crime demographics? Did it experience decrease in population of the high crime demographics?

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Murders in Boston are down, but shootings are up. I'm betting on the bad aim of the shooters and the excellence of the city's medical care,
    specifically Boston Medical Center, the trauma treatment kings:

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/08/13/homicides-tallied-far-this-year-boston/DMDm5WO8sQ4v8cwNwb7DHM/story.html

    Our especially horrendous winter moderated things, too.

  41. I don’t understand the far right’s issue with #BlackLivesMatter. They are calling for a de facto return to Jim Crow-era policing tactics, and if they succeed in getting their agenda passed, the result will be increased homicides and violent crimes on minorities in predominantly minority neighborhoods. Probably won’t help property values either, destroying what little wealth in real estate people might have in these places. Just think, if you support #BlackLivesMatter, you can join in the fight against racism while at the same time supporting policies that have a disparate impact on law-abiding minority populations viz. increased crime victimization and murder. It’s like joining an anti-racist chapter of the Klan!

    • Replies: @anon

    I don’t understand the far right’s issue with #BlackLivesMatter.
     
    You're trolling but for anyone too dumb to notice...

    The anti-white fedgov wants to force white parents to put their children into schools dominated by black gang violence.

    (via HUD forced integration)

    Anti-white advocates can't openly promote forcing white parents to put their children into dangerous environments that are openly acknowledged as dangerous. It would be like openly calling for white children to put in arenas with hungry lions.

    So to get as many white children beaten, raped and killed as possible the anti-white media have to lie about black youth violence.

    BLM is part of the anti-white media's ongoing attempt to cover up black youth violence - as focusing on the cops is a way of deflecting attention to what the cops are reacting to i.e. 50% of the homicides committed by young black males.

    #

    The anti-white media's BLM campaign has mostly got lots of black kids killed but that doesn't change their intent - which was to harm white children.

  42. Given that the black-on-black murder rate is much higher than the white-on-black murder rate what is your point?

    Has anyone ever corrected those rates for “availability”? Whites do their best not to live around blacks, and so make themselves largely unavailable as murder victims for the black underclass. And whites who can’t afford to move away probably do a much better job of keeping their heads down in those areas.

  43. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @tulip
    I don't understand the far right's issue with #BlackLivesMatter. They are calling for a de facto return to Jim Crow-era policing tactics, and if they succeed in getting their agenda passed, the result will be increased homicides and violent crimes on minorities in predominantly minority neighborhoods. Probably won't help property values either, destroying what little wealth in real estate people might have in these places. Just think, if you support #BlackLivesMatter, you can join in the fight against racism while at the same time supporting policies that have a disparate impact on law-abiding minority populations viz. increased crime victimization and murder. It's like joining an anti-racist chapter of the Klan!

    I don’t understand the far right’s issue with #BlackLivesMatter.

    You’re trolling but for anyone too dumb to notice…

    The anti-white fedgov wants to force white parents to put their children into schools dominated by black gang violence.

    (via HUD forced integration)

    Anti-white advocates can’t openly promote forcing white parents to put their children into dangerous environments that are openly acknowledged as dangerous. It would be like openly calling for white children to put in arenas with hungry lions.

    So to get as many white children beaten, raped and killed as possible the anti-white media have to lie about black youth violence.

    BLM is part of the anti-white media’s ongoing attempt to cover up black youth violence – as focusing on the cops is a way of deflecting attention to what the cops are reacting to i.e. 50% of the homicides committed by young black males.

    #

    The anti-white media’s BLM campaign has mostly got lots of black kids killed but that doesn’t change their intent – which was to harm white children.

  44. @Dave Pinsen
    Before Obama's reelection, Bill Maher said it was important to reelect him, because racism (that the first black president being a one-termer would provide fuel for racists, something like that). But, aside from the stock market going up and Osama Bin Laden being dead, Obama's presidency is starting to seem like a rolling catastrophe.

    Is he too insulated by adulation to see, or doesn't he care?

    “aside from the stock market going up and Osama Bin Laden being dead, Obama’s presidency is starting to seem like a rolling catastrophe.”

    We’re finally mostly out of Iraq and getting there in Afghanistan, and we didn’t get into a new war in Syria (against Russia) like the Republicans wanted. We have relations again with Iran and Cuba. There are no new nuclear powers and no new effective terrorist networks aimed at the West. Latin America is as democratic as it’s ever been and mostly prosperous. China and the far East are in good economic condition and mutually interdependent trade continues to make war unlikely, including both among themselves and with us. The Ukraine and Russia thing is a mess but we kept our own feet out of the fire in the end. Illegal immigration has slowed: the same estimates of 12-20 MM illegals prevail as did eight years ago.

    Back home, unemployment is down and the housing bubble has somewhat liquidated. Inflation is under control and the economy is growing again, though slowly.

    That’s pretty good, not a rolling catastrophe.

    I’d hope the next president does as well as Obama but I suspect that’s hoping for too much.

  45. @Chrisnonymous

    But, aside from the stock market going up and Osama Bin Laden being dead,
     
    Two things for which he should be given zero credit.

    “Osama Bin Laden being dead,”

    A great credit to Obama. Bush 43 announced that he wasn’t going after Osama anymore. Then Hillary and McCain both declared that there would be no action against Al Qaeda or its leaders in Pakistan without Paki permission. All three of them had intelligence briefings informing them that the CIA knew Osama was in Pakistan being protected by the Paki government.

    Obama came right out during the campaign saying so and he also said he’d go right into Pakistan and get Osama. Obama took a lot of flak in the MSM for that and Hillary used it to paint him as callow and unready for serious diplomacy.

    When Obama managed to win anyway, he did just what he said. Our boys in special ops never would have had the chance without Obama first standing up to neocons like Bush, McCain, and Hillary that wanted to protect Osama if necessary to keep up military contracts with Paki intelligence.

  46. @Dave Pinsen
    Before Obama's reelection, Bill Maher said it was important to reelect him, because racism (that the first black president being a one-termer would provide fuel for racists, something like that). But, aside from the stock market going up and Osama Bin Laden being dead, Obama's presidency is starting to seem like a rolling catastrophe.

    Is he too insulated by adulation to see, or doesn't he care?

    Did Osama really get killed during the raid?

  47. anon • Disclaimer says:

    aside from the stock market going up and Osama Bin Laden being dead, Obama’s presidency is starting to seem like a rolling catastrophe.

    The current stock market bubble is a result of the failure to fix the banks’ housing bubble.

    The banks have effectively been handed trillions via ZIRP and QE but there’s nothing real to actually invest the money in – cos we’re still in the depression caused by the banks – so it’s been pumped into a stock market bubble. When it bursts it’ll be 1929 all over.

  48. @SFG
    Ah, Boston. Just pale enough to think they're a European country, and act that way.

    Ah, Boston, where the Irish/Italian axis still holds the reins of BPD power. And where black witnesses are willing to give up the shytebags, which isn’t the case among the “Snitches Need Stitches” boyos in Southie and The Town.

  49. @Anonymous
    Instead of focusing on the cities where the murder rate went up, I would like to focus on the cities where the murder rate went down. What made Boston decrease its murder rate? Was it underreporting? Or people deciding to behave better? Or was it change in demographics?

    My understanding is that the following groups are less likely to commit homicide than the national average:

    1. SWPLs
    2. Jews
    3. Asians
    4. White women
    5. Young children
    6. The elderly

    Did Boston experience growth in population in low crime demographics? Did it experience decrease in population of the high crime demographics?

    Murders in Boston are down, but shootings are up. I’m betting on the bad aim of the shooters and the excellence of the city’s medical care,
    specifically Boston Medical Center, the trauma treatment kings:

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/08/13/homicides-tallied-far-this-year-boston/DMDm5WO8sQ4v8cwNwb7DHM/story.html

    Our especially horrendous winter moderated things, too.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    That's probably what it is. Bad weather can make ALL demographic groups more law-abiding, regardless of race, social class, gender, etc.

    Prole Whites may scoff at SWPLs but the vast majority of White doctors come from the SWPL class. And if you're a White doctor, or a White med student, Massachusetts is a place you probably want to live in.
  50. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Brutusale
    Murders in Boston are down, but shootings are up. I'm betting on the bad aim of the shooters and the excellence of the city's medical care,
    specifically Boston Medical Center, the trauma treatment kings:

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/08/13/homicides-tallied-far-this-year-boston/DMDm5WO8sQ4v8cwNwb7DHM/story.html

    Our especially horrendous winter moderated things, too.

    That’s probably what it is. Bad weather can make ALL demographic groups more law-abiding, regardless of race, social class, gender, etc.

    Prole Whites may scoff at SWPLs but the vast majority of White doctors come from the SWPL class. And if you’re a White doctor, or a White med student, Massachusetts is a place you probably want to live in.

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