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Over at VDARE.com, a demographer points out that all my scary graphs lately have been based on the U.N. Population Division’s optimistic-sounding “medium fertility variant” in which total fertility rates magically converge toward 1.85 babies per woman by the end of the century.

But what if Africans just go on doing what comes natural? The correspondent points out that 10 billion is within reach under the assumption of constant fertility and mortality rates. Indeed, the UN offers a “constant fertility” table with, I believe, declining mortality due to technological advances in health care in which Sub-Saharan Africa’s population in 2100 is 15,175,708,000.

un population 2017 high estimate

Fifteen billion Sub-Saharans is really not likely to happen, but my main point is: I’m not making these numbers up. These all come from the United Nations, not me.

Also, the UN offers a super optimistic “instant replacement fertility” table in which the total fertility rate drops to replacement today and remains that for the rest of the century. Due to demographic momentum, the population of sub-Saharan Africa still grows from 969 million in 2015 to 1,237 million in 2035 to 1,444 million in 2050 to 1,731 million in 2100.

 
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  1. eah says:

    USDA — Agricultural Imports Soar in Sub-Saharan AfricaAlthough Sub-Saharan Africa is a major food-aid recipient, commercial shipments have grown in importance in recent years.

    Reading the first paragraphs, you get the feeling they delayed mentioning the part about “food-aid” until as late in the article as possible.

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    • Replies: @Lot
    Foreign aid to Africa is not a significant source of its population growth or food supply. Its food imports are largely paid with natural resource exports.

    Thus a much more significant source of African population growth has been China's industrialization.

    A large share of African clothing is discarded clothing from the West however.
    , @Bard of Bumperstickers
    How d'ya say, "Soylent Green" in Swahili? That which can't be sustained, won't.
    , @Pat Boyle
    The whole projection of Africa's population to grow ever higher strikes me as being a simple example of innumeracy. That's not the way the numbers work.

    There are two modes of feedback - positive and negative. Negative feedback is the 'good' one.

    In a regime of negative feedback there is a base level. If the subsequent increment is above the base level it generates a signal to lower the level. The same is true if the deviation is low - then the feedback signal goes high. This is the way that thermostats work and many life processes. It makes the levels stay steady.

    With positive feedback there's a deviating signal and adds to it. If the level goes high that generates a signal increase the level even more. The same thing is true for levels below the base level.

    The human male sexual system operates with negative feedback. The female uses positive feedback. That's why women have cycles and men don't. The main scary story in the Global Warming scenario was that there would be a 'tipping point' beyond which the feedback regime would turn to positive feedback. According to this ghost story if the temperature went up too much that would kick off a feedback signal of some sort that would raise the temperature even more and we would get 'runaway warming'.

    Steve's graphs imply that we are about to get 'runaway breeding'. Soon there wouldn't be a place to stand on Earth because we would have bred ourselves to the point where we were shoulder to shoulder. People used to speak of this as a real possibility back in the sixties.

    But positive feedback tends to produce cycles like a sine wave. Things that start going high accelerate higher and higher and then they reverse. This is a cycles of boom and crash followed bay another boom and crash and so on.

    The steeply climbing curve of Africa's population is just the first segment in a longer series of rises and falls. Africa seems to be caught in a positive feedback cycle. At present each rise in population kicks off even more population - but that can't continue. At some point the external systems that support life will no longer be able to function and the population will crash.

    It seems that Africa's population is probably limited by the availability of water. South Africa and Ethiopia are now experiencing drought. The longer term population level of Africa will never get as high as Steve's graph's suggest. Nature will impose it's own limits. This is not a good way to operate. Population will eventually be controlled but at a terrible human cost.
    , @Phantom_Limb
    If not for Bill Gate's (Gates foundation) money for this externally provided food and medicines, the population growth in Africa would not have been. Thank Bill Gates for Ebola coming from Africa to the west.

    Its cruelty, to feed African peoples like this, rather than to use the powers-&-moneys of the rich, to try and better those peoples behaviors and morals. Its those behaviors and morals, that are their real problem. You the reader of this blog, know this. Is Gates that stupid, or just corrupt?

    The bigger question is, why are these billionaires so hating of their own people ?

    Answer: Its easy to buy "fame" this way. And for billionaires, its easy to buy corrupt political protection planet-wide, by paying off government types everywhere.

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  2. Wilkey says:

    “Fifteen billion Sub-Saharans is really not likely to happen, but my main point is: I’m not making these numbers up. These all come from the United Nations, not me.”

    The UN needs to remake that refugee video but with “15 billion migrants on the move.”

    I mean the more the merrier, right?

    The next someone drones on about saving all those starving people in Africa ask them how, if Africa is starving, they managed to increase their population by over 37% in just 15 years.

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    • Replies: @Flip
    Or how they increased their population if everyone is supposed to be dying of AIDS.
  3. This is beginning to sound like a cancer diagnosis.

    The patient doesn’t want to believe it, so the doctor says, “I’m not making these numbers up. These all come from the lab, not me. It’s on the move. It’s inevitable.”

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    • Replies: @jb

    This is beginning to sound like a cancer diagnosis.
     
    No no no, you've got it all wrong! It's the white race that is "the cancer of human history".

    Seriously, I've been wondering for years what happens if despite anything anyone says or does, African fertility rates just don't go down. What then?

    The problem is, I don't think the long term success of technological civilization is at all foreordained. Complex system tend to be fragile in unanticipated ways. I think we could easily exhaust our resources and collapse back into barbarism, and then what? Climbing back might be difficult, because there will be no oil or coal to burn for cheap energy, and all the easily accessible minerals will already have been ripped from the ground and scattered all over the landscape. If we blow this first chance we may not get another!

    The long term future of the human race could be the stars, but it could also be a million years of wood, stone, and iron. And black Africa could end up being the determining factor. Excuse me if I see this as a more important issue than which bathrooms sexually confused teenagers are allowed to use!

  4. I like including the High and Low variants because without error bars most numbers are meaningless. The less cluttered graphs are easier for a layperson to understand though.

    Has anyone had a chance to look at the migration rates they project? The net rates into Europe are predicted to decline almost exponentially. I think this is really unlikely to happen.

    When I asked this question in one of the recent comment threads there were some pretty good joke answers, at least!

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    • Replies: @Reginald Maplethorp
    What do liberals anticipate this population explosion would do to climate?
  5. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    ‘Fifteen million subsaharan Africans is really likely not to happen’.

    To repeat myself, Steve, why the confident certainty?

    Would a man of 1920 have said that 200 million Nigerians was feasible?
    Would a man of 1970 would have thought that the Italians, of all people, would be busily inviting in millions upon millions of black Africans?
    Would a man of 1930 ever had contemplated the very notion of a non-white, non-European majority Britain?

    The ‘unthinkable’ and the ‘impossible’ have strange ways of becoming tomorrow’s normality.

    And, oh, we are cursed by government by Economist magazine.

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    • Replies: @TG
    Reply to Anonymous: as regards the 'impossible' becoming tomorrow's normality: no not really.

    In 1800 the population of China was about 300 million. If they had had enough food, by today there should be 37 billion Chinese (give or take). Didn't happen.

    The population of Syria was, until recently, doubling every 15 years. Projections showed the population of Syria hitting 700 million by 2100. Not happening.

    The zeroth law of economics: if it is physically impossible for something to happen, it won't. One way or the other.
  6. Thomas says:

    Subsaharan Africa is not becoming a more fertile or well-watered place, either on the basis of ever-improving agricultural technology or civil engineering, or what the natural environment is likely to offer (especially if you believe climate change is occurring, and I believe it probably is). Eventually, Malthus is going to have his say on the matter.

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    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    Excuse me sir,but Africans now have cheap cell phones,which allow them to do all kinds of good stuff. So middle class here we come!
  7. Lugash says:

    Maybe our intelligence agencies can take some time off from blowing up the Mid East and promote family planning in the third world? I think they did that in the 50s and 60s.

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    • Replies: @carol
    They've been doing that forever. Waugh satirized it in Black Mischief IIRC, or in Scoop. The Africans just aren't interested in family planning. Birth control is for Losers.

    They have nothing else better to do so why not procreate.
    , @Olorin
    I thought the GOP had determined for all time that "family planning" was eugenic and bad and against the will of God and such?

    I seem to recall many political campaigns thusly platformed in the 1980s to 2000s.

    Now the Dems are saying the same thing. Except more Hitler. You can never have enough Hitler, ya know.

    Damn you, white Protestants, for taking all the juicy fun out of sex and applying ARITHMETIC and FUTURE THINKING to it!!!

    In Judaism we had the thrilling embrace of degeneracy as a weapon against your "frigidness."

    In Catholicism we had the snuff porn joy of HELL for fornicators and such (easily forgiven among our own ranks via whispers and beads)!

    What's left but letting Muzzies in Africa and elsewhere breed you irritating science and math minded Teuts und Celts into submission, and calling it Higher Morals!???

    While New Protestants aim to transubstantiate melanin into civilization.

  8. @Reginald Maplethorp
    I like including the High and Low variants because without error bars most numbers are meaningless. The less cluttered graphs are easier for a layperson to understand though.

    Has anyone had a chance to look at the migration rates they project? The net rates into Europe are predicted to decline almost exponentially. I think this is really unlikely to happen.

    When I asked this question in one of the recent comment threads there were some pretty good joke answers, at least!

    What do liberals anticipate this population explosion would do to climate?

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    • Replies: @Cheetah
    Liberals are not responsible for population growth. Religious right must take responsibility for this stupidity.
    , @prole
    Don't believe the hype..even leftists know global warming is a hoax.
    , @The King is a Fink
    The population explosion is caused by climate change which is caused by whites. Do try and keep up.
  9. Lot says:
    @eah
    USDA -- Agricultural Imports Soar in Sub-Saharan Africa -- Although Sub-Saharan Africa is a major food-aid recipient, commercial shipments have grown in importance in recent years.

    Reading the first paragraphs, you get the feeling they delayed mentioning the part about "food-aid" until as late in the article as possible.

    Foreign aid to Africa is not a significant source of its population growth or food supply. Its food imports are largely paid with natural resource exports.

    Thus a much more significant source of African population growth has been China’s industrialization.

    A large share of African clothing is discarded clothing from the West however.

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    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool
    What natural resources? Didn't imperialists steal all of them?

    What will happen, then, if, say, Nigeria runs into a Mexico situation, where all their main wells dry out over the course of a decade?
    , @eah
    How dependent Africa is on food aid is an open question -- I believe currently subsistence is the norm rather than the exception there -- so it is hard to see them keeping pace with the expected explosive population growth -- as I've pointed out before: since Rhodesia became Zimbabwe, GDP has fallen by half while the population has doubled -- 'do the math' on that.

    Zimbabwe’s farmers struggle to feed the nation

    Zimbabwe needs 1.8 million tonnes of the staple maize every year to meet the needs of its people and livestock. Only 798,500 tonnes were produced during the 2012/13 agricultural season. As a result, the country that was once dubbed “the breadbasket of the region” has to make up the deficit with imports and look to donors for food aid.
  10. Cheetah says:
    @Reginald Maplethorp
    What do liberals anticipate this population explosion would do to climate?

    Liberals are not responsible for population growth. Religious right must take responsibility for this stupidity.

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    • Replies: @FPD72
    I keep reading this assertion that the religious right rejects contraception. What do commentators mean by "religious right" and "population control?" Usually, evangelicals and contraception I think. Yet very few evangelical leaders are against contraception. Such leaders as Dobson, Piper, Moher, and MacArthur support contraceptive use. Movements within the evangelical community that oppose contraception are relatively small. I can't think of any major leaders (no, Mary Pride is not a major leader) who oppose the use of contraception. There is a "full quiver" movement that opposes contraception but it is generally viewed as a fringe movement.

    Yes, evangelicals in large part reject abortion as the taking of innocent life. But abortion is not a contraceptive method, since it takes place AFTER conception.
    , @Federalist
    Personally, I would like the USAF to use B-52's to carpet bomb Africa with contraceptives. But it's ridiculous to blame the religious right for everything. Do Africans consult James Dobson before they screw? Africa is filled with the most backward, dysfunctional people on Earth. No matter what anyone says, they are going to do what they do. I certainly wouldn't give so-called conservatives any credit for even thinking about this issue much less doing anything about it. But it's the Left that wants to invite all of these "refugee" to overwhelm the U.S. and Europe.
    , @AnotherDad

    Liberals are not responsible for population growth. Religious right must take responsibility for this stupidity.
     
    Huh? The "religious right" is responsible for Africans humping? Cheetah this is just moronic.

    "Liberals", more aptly "progressives" are entirely responsible for population growth in the West because the West has been at sub-replacement fertility for a generation and would now have blissfully stable high-quality populations but for immigration.

    As to Africa, Africans are responsible for the behavior of Africans and hence their population disaster. But 100% sure that whatever say James Dobson is saying about contraception--pro or con--the Africans aren't listening to it. If there is an outside group that bears any responsibility for the African explosion it is in fact explicitly "liberals" and "progressives" because they took African population control off the global "to do" list of good thinkers--because it's "racist!"--but continued to do all the goo-goo b.s.--foreign aid, food aid, clean water, medical care, etc.--that boosts their survival and helps them reproduce.

    I will ding the religious right on one issue. This insanity that it's appropriate or "cool" or "Christian" to adopt African babies and drag them back to the US. There's few things as depressing as seeing nominal "conservative" white people foregoing having more of their own children in order to raise African squibs and add them to our diversity disaster. If you want to bash away on the "religious right", bash them for that horror.
  11. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Time to build a space elevator in Africa. Africans can terraform Mars, led by fellow African Elon Musk.

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  12. OT—Fraying of the Fringes:

    Star of David “pride flags” were removed from Dyke March Chicago, and called “offensive” and “triggering” by those who associate the symbol with the State of Israel. Plenty of Jews on Twitter were not happy, as evidenced by scrolling this timeline.

    The Chicago Dyke March Collective’s response to the brouhaha mentioned suspicions of astroturfing by Israeli state groups, and had this slogan (via Breitbart):

    From Palestine to Mexico, border walls have got to go!!

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    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome


    Star of David “pride flags” were removed from Dyke March Chicago, and called “offensive” and “triggering”

     

    Can I bring my South Africa and Rhodesia flags to the parade?


    From Palestine to Mexico, border walls have got to go!!

     

    Maybe they read the comments here.
    , @mukat

    OT—Fraying of the Fringes
     
    Are the Fringes fraying, or engaged in intersectional Pokemon point battles? They all seem to live to fight another day, even the professors who get on the wrong side of student agitators.

    This battling is how small-c communists organize and handle succession. The video games feminist Jew won a major sinecure. She has calmed down a whole lot ever since she acquired formal power.

    In the last (communist) century, we were told that free speech laws were necessary to protect communist dissenters.

    In the current (communist) century, we are told that free speech laws should be overturned to protect our communist rulers and the pro-government militias (antifa).
    , @Marty T
    The Jews are moving further away from the left, though gradually. They are realizing that the rest of the fringe coalition kind of hates them. It's why you see Alan Dershowitz defending Trump on tv.

    In 2020, I can see Trump winning close to half the Jewish vote.
    , @Anonymous
    Waving an Israeli flag in a gay pride parade in the USA absolutely , totally ridiculous. A banner proclaiming Jewish Dykes would be reasonable.

    Interesting in that the gay movement was largely led by Jews. I remember a list of the 125 biggest gay advocacy groups. 103 of those groups were led by Jews

    It's obvious the flag thing was a set up. Now Jews can claim that gays along with the rest of the world are anti Semitic
    I see some $200,000 jobs for grant hustling Jewish gays fighting anti semitism in the gay community.
  13. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I now dispose of unwanted clothing by the burn barrel, since most donations to Sally Ann and the like are resold for profit to African or Latin American vendors who charge just under the price of new clothes, making it uneconomic for the local women to knit and weave. The US should erect nontariff barriers to the trade to stop it.

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    • Replies: @Njguy73
    So no one in Zambia will know that the Falcons won the Super Bowl.
  14. Also, the UN offers a super optimistic “instant replacement fertility” table in which the total fertility rate drops to replacement today

    Oh, noes11!!! That would be a demographic disaster! The ratio of workers to elderly would drop! An ageing Africa has a worker shortage and needs immigrants!

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  15. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    OT—Fraying of the Fringes:

    Star of David “pride flags” were removed from Dyke March Chicago, and called “offensive” and “triggering” by those who associate the symbol with the State of Israel. Plenty of Jews on Twitter were not happy, as evidenced by scrolling this timeline.

    The Chicago Dyke March Collective’s response to the brouhaha mentioned suspicions of astroturfing by Israeli state groups, and had this slogan (via Breitbart):


    From Palestine to Mexico, border walls have got to go!!
     

    Star of David “pride flags” were removed from Dyke March Chicago, and called “offensive” and “triggering”

    Can I bring my South Africa and Rhodesia flags to the parade?

    From Palestine to Mexico, border walls have got to go!!

    Maybe they read the comments here.

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  16. Kyle McKenna [AKA "Mika-Non"] says:

    To avoid several consecutive posts, I’ve done some amateur multi-quoting here. Wouldn’t hurt to have the function available as on most forums.

    I mean the more the merrier, right?

    Yes indeed, and I’m tired of all the whining from you privileged white folks. Why, in my house alone I have room for several million negroes. What’s the problem? Indeed, I contain multitudes, as we all will. As Steve says, lie back and enjoy.

    This is beginning to sound like a cancer diagnosis.

    The human population on this planet evinces virtually every single aspect of a cancer. Well, most of it does.

    Eventually, Malthus is going to have his say on the matter.

    Unfortunately, Malthus sometimes gets lazy and doesn’t get around to enforcement until the entire planet looks like Calcutta or Lagos. The purpose of liberals is to ensure that it is indeed the entire planet.

    What do liberals anticipate this population explosion would do to climate?

    It’s an article of faith among them that global warming is caused by too many white people. So no problem there either! HTH.

    Ahh, the future looks bright indeed.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    In retrospect it was a great tragedy that one randy male flight attendant spread the AIDS virus to so many homosexual communities so soon. Had it not been for wealthy and influential gays, the development of anti-AIDS drugs would have been delayed until Africa had been much more impacted.

    That sounds cold and cruel, but the coming biobomb that will evolve in Sub Saharan Africa will be even worse. White intelligence and work stopped AIDS and stopped Ebola, but a superbug is coming and we won't be able to stop it even if we wanted to.
  17. Steve, I wanted to respond to your question over on Slate Star Codex’s post, except the new log-in system over there doesn’t like my browser, so I’m responding here.
    Writers tend to be neurotypcials–if autists are kind of good at math things, writers are kind of the opposite. So I wouldn’t really look to literature for portraits of autists one way or another.
    I have relatives who were kids back in the 20s and talk about themselves as “would be considered autistic today.” Of course, that was the Depression, and people were trying too hard just to get by to worry about kids who weren’t talking yet.

    I also have the vague impression that society was less hostile to Apergersy people, so they didn’t stand out as much. A guy who was quiet but hard-working and got an engineering job back in the 50s was (I think) considered a decent catch rather than a total dork.

    Just look at older advertisements: they have a lot more text than modern ads, because information was harder to come by. If ads were more straightforward and informative, maybe people were, too, making life easier for autists.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. My question was: When do fictional characters who would today be considered on the autistic spectrum first show up in literature, movies, or plays? Are there any such characters in Shakespeare or Dickens?

    The Wikipedia page on the topic lists only 3 such before Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man in 1988.

    Maybe Hymie the Robot in Get Smart in the mid-1960s?

  18. mukat says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    OT—Fraying of the Fringes:

    Star of David “pride flags” were removed from Dyke March Chicago, and called “offensive” and “triggering” by those who associate the symbol with the State of Israel. Plenty of Jews on Twitter were not happy, as evidenced by scrolling this timeline.

    The Chicago Dyke March Collective’s response to the brouhaha mentioned suspicions of astroturfing by Israeli state groups, and had this slogan (via Breitbart):


    From Palestine to Mexico, border walls have got to go!!
     

    OT—Fraying of the Fringes

    Are the Fringes fraying, or engaged in intersectional Pokemon point battles? They all seem to live to fight another day, even the professors who get on the wrong side of student agitators.

    This battling is how small-c communists organize and handle succession. The video games feminist Jew won a major sinecure. She has calmed down a whole lot ever since she acquired formal power.

    In the last (communist) century, we were told that free speech laws were necessary to protect communist dissenters.

    In the current (communist) century, we are told that free speech laws should be overturned to protect our communist rulers and the pro-government militias (antifa).

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  19. @EvolutionistX
    Steve, I wanted to respond to your question over on Slate Star Codex's post, except the new log-in system over there doesn't like my browser, so I'm responding here.
    Writers tend to be neurotypcials--if autists are kind of good at math things, writers are kind of the opposite. So I wouldn't really look to literature for portraits of autists one way or another.
    I have relatives who were kids back in the 20s and talk about themselves as "would be considered autistic today." Of course, that was the Depression, and people were trying too hard just to get by to worry about kids who weren't talking yet.

    I also have the vague impression that society was less hostile to Apergersy people, so they didn't stand out as much. A guy who was quiet but hard-working and got an engineering job back in the 50s was (I think) considered a decent catch rather than a total dork.

    Just look at older advertisements: they have a lot more text than modern ads, because information was harder to come by. If ads were more straightforward and informative, maybe people were, too, making life easier for autists.

    Thanks. My question was: When do fictional characters who would today be considered on the autistic spectrum first show up in literature, movies, or plays? Are there any such characters in Shakespeare or Dickens?

    The Wikipedia page on the topic lists only 3 such before Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man in 1988.

    Maybe Hymie the Robot in Get Smart in the mid-1960s?

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    • Replies: @guest
    Depends on how wide a spectrum you're using. Because if we're using internet comment section standards, then it could apply to almost any literary character this side of Harry Flashman. Wikipedia is probably sticking closer to characters authors have admitted were autistic.

    If people hunt for autistes like they hunt for crypto-gays, they'll find them everywhere. Here are candidates off the top of my head:

    Sherlock Holmes
    Boo Radley, To Kill a Mockingbird
    Lenny, Of Mice and Men
    Mr. Darcy, Pride and Prejudice
    That one that made me quit reading The Sound and the Fury; Benjy?
    Bartelby, Bartelby the Scrivener
    Stevie, the Secret Agent
    Charlie, Flowers for Algernon

    , @EvolutionistX
    Possibilities based on quick Googling:
    Boo Radley, to Kill a Mockingbird
    Caliban, Shakespeare's Tempest
    Sherlock Holmes
    Mr. Darcy, from Pride and Prejudice
    Tommy Walker From the 1970’s rock musical and movie Tommy (Actor: Roger Daltrey)
    Lili von Shtupp, Blazing Saddles
    Holden Caulfield, Catcher in the Rye
    Movies produced by Val Lewton, eg Irena Dubrovna from The Cat People, 1942; Amy from The Curse of the Cat People, 1944; Finn the Mute from The Ghost Ship, 1943.
    The children in Village of the Damned, 1960
    The Addams Family
    Vera Rostov, War and Peace
    Confessions of a Crap Artist, by Philip K. Dick
    All "mad scientists"
    Frankenstein's monster?
    I'm sure folks like Isaac Newton have been characters in novels at some point--I think he shows up in Shaw's In Good King Charles's Golden Days.

    But if autists didn't stand out as much in the past, they wouldn't stand out as much in old books, either.
    , @Travis
    in the past most autistic individual would have been considered mentally retarded. How many Retarded characters were prominent in novels ? 3% of the population was retarded until the 90s when they started to classify about half of the retards as autistic. 75% or three-quarters of children with autism also have an intellectual disability, but parents would rather label their children as autistic, since it sounds better than retarded.
    , @Anonym
    Does the Count of Monte Cristo, err, count?

    Saruman from LOTR, and other wizards?

    Ayn Rand's heroes?
    , @Dave Pinsen
    David Brin has autistic characters in his sci-fi novel Existence.
    , @George
    Maybe not exactly what you want but maybe Moses? Moses, Pharaoh's policy wonk, complains to god about his inability to communicate, so god pairs him up with Aaron, who does all the talking. Moses also has trouble meeting chicks, so they have to invite him.

    Moses wife, who might have been Ethiopian (Cushite).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipporah

    Probably a bunch of Saints.

    Emperor Claudius?

    Back in time fools and knaves might have been what today is called autistic.
    http://www.shakespeareances.com/dialogues/commentary/Mental_Illness-140708.html
    , @Anon E. Mouse
    Apparently a lot of people think that Leonie, one of the sisters of St. Therese of Lisieux (19th century), was autistic. Of course, she was a real person.
    , @a Newsreader
    I'm not totally well read. Here are some guesses:

    * Raskolnikov from Crime and Punishment (maybe someone else from Dostoyevsky? He had a good grasp of personalities).
    * Charlie Brown.
    * Don Quixote? (I haven't read this.)
    * Poe wrote some stories about psychopaths. Maybe they were a little aspergery? The narrator from "A Cask of Amontillado" comes to mind.
    * Maybe Socrates from Plato's dialogues? He's pretty relentless, but probably not.
    * Gandalf from the Lord of the Rings. He's not too far gone, but he's pretty aloof. Genius overcoming natural aloofness?

    You might find lots of people who we might identify as autistic in the lists of Christian Saints. St. Thomas Aquinas comes to mind.

    My cat is autistic.
  20. Roger says:

    You keep posting these charts, but 97% of the world’s smart people say that the big problem of the 21st century is that global warming is going to raise sea level by 2-3 feet.

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    • Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)
    I think your tone is meant to be sarcastic; the "...97% of the world's smart people say..." clearly implies that.

    Would that rising sea levels were the only consequence of global warming! Because the excess carbon has to go somewhere, much of it is going into the oceans as carbonic acid. This makes the oceans more acidic, and more difficult (among other things) for sea organisms to form shells. See:
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rising-acidity-in-the-ocean/

    What is your personal experience? Do insects prefer warm temperatures to cold ones? Do fungi prefer warm temperatures to cold ones? Those (like Svante Arrhenius and, apparently, Anatoly Karlin) who see warmer temperatures as a certain boon to agriculture might well be mistaken. Just apply more pesticides? I am a beekeeper; honeybees and other pollinators are in serious jeopardy now, largely as a result of neonicotinoid pesticides now widely in use in the US (though now banned in Europe).

    Climate models by professional climatologists [insert laugh track here if so inclined] predict more storms, and more serious storms, in the future. This will negatively impact agriculture.

    If you have spent a summer in a large American inner city, you know that long periods of hot weather stress the human organism and make people irritable, resulting in more social friction. I don't think many of the 5 billion future Africans will have air conditioners. I swear by the Prophet Malthus that there will be more violence in a hotter Africa and world. This will have the benefit of reducing population (the hard way, which is probably the only way the trick can be turned). Perhaps we should ensure that all Africans have access to cheap and reliable firearms and ammunition.

    People on these alt-right or alt-light or conservative websites seem to "think" that because the libtards and globalists believe in global warming, it must be false. Is that sound reasoning?
  21. Rod1963 says:

    Unless the U.S. Europe and Russia decide to feed Africans full time – this isn’t happening. What is more likely is a economic/socially collapse( since the West is decaying) followed by mass starvation and ethnic war.

    End result, Chines come waltzing in, exterminate the Blacks and Muzzies and rule the roost.

    A fight between the Chinese and Africans isn’t a fight it’s a slaughter and the blacks go extinct.

    The Chinese are no fools and have experience with Africans, see Empire of Dust

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    End result, Chines come waltzing in, exterminate the Blacks and Muzzies and rule the roost.
     
    This strikes me as--in one form or another--the most likely long term outcome.

    Once the West goes down, the Chinese will be liberated from Western values "constraint". In addition, the death of the West will be a powerful reminder/reinforcement to the Chinese to be aggressively protective of their racial/national survival.

    If the West wises up in the next generation or so--let's hope!--regains its pride and vigor, throws up borders, tosses out foreigners, then Africa will just be quarantined and implode one way or another or its on schedule--starvation, plague, war, genocide.

    But if the West lets the Africans flood in and collapses, then either Africa implodes on its own, or--not unlikely--the Chinese--if they decide to expand their territory or simply find resource extraction to be simpler without Africans around--give it a push. (Genetically engineered virus, etc.)

    ~~~

    The world is going to end up being dominated by a smart population that does eugenic fertility and (eventually) genetic enhancement. That--at present--doesn't looked like the cowed and confused West. But it damn sure ain't going to be the Africans.
  22. @Thomas
    Subsaharan Africa is not becoming a more fertile or well-watered place, either on the basis of ever-improving agricultural technology or civil engineering, or what the natural environment is likely to offer (especially if you believe climate change is occurring, and I believe it probably is). Eventually, Malthus is going to have his say on the matter.

    Excuse me sir,but Africans now have cheap cell phones,which allow them to do all kinds of good stuff. So middle class here we come!

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    To actually understand the context is to roll one's eyes even more; McEnroe was actually quite charitable and genteel – he was goaded by the interviewer's disingenuous "gotcha!" attitude into explaining – again, reasonably and diplomatically – stuff that goes without saying, all so the media could generate a sensationalistic headline about how mean and sexist he is and so Serena Williams could fabricate some imaginary beef with him based upon insults he never made:

    Garcia-Navarro: We're talking about male players but there is of course wonderful female players. Let's talk about Serena Williams. You say she is the best female player in the world in the book.

    McEnroe: Best female player ever - no question.

    Garcia-Navarro: Some wouldn't qualify it, some would say she's the best player in the world. Why qualify it?

    McEnroe: Oh! Uh...she's not...you mean, the best player in the world, period?

    Garcia-Navarro: Yeah, the best tennis player in the world. You know, why say female player?

    McEnroe: Well because if she was in – if she played the men's circuit she'd be like seven hundred in the world.

    Garcia-Navarro: You think so?

    McEnroe: Yeah. That doesn't mean I don't think Serena is an incredible player. I do, but the reality of what would happen would be – I think something that – perhaps it'd be a little higher, perhaps it'd be a little lower. And on a given day, Serena could beat some players. I believe because she's so incredibly strong mentally that she could overcome some situations where players would choke 'cause she's been in it so many times, so many situations at Wimbledon, the U.S. Open, etc.; but if she had to just play the circuit – the men's circuit – that would be an entirely different story.
     

    So you see, John McEnroe is jerk because he is aware of sexual dimorphism.
  24. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Kyle McKenna
    To avoid several consecutive posts, I've done some amateur multi-quoting here. Wouldn't hurt to have the function available as on most forums.

    I mean the more the merrier, right?
     
    Yes indeed, and I'm tired of all the whining from you privileged white folks. Why, in my house alone I have room for several million negroes. What's the problem? Indeed, I contain multitudes, as we all will. As Steve says, lie back and enjoy.

    This is beginning to sound like a cancer diagnosis.
     
    The human population on this planet evinces virtually every single aspect of a cancer. Well, most of it does.

    Eventually, Malthus is going to have his say on the matter.
     
    Unfortunately, Malthus sometimes gets lazy and doesn't get around to enforcement until the entire planet looks like Calcutta or Lagos. The purpose of liberals is to ensure that it is indeed the entire planet.

    What do liberals anticipate this population explosion would do to climate?
     
    It's an article of faith among them that global warming is caused by too many white people. So no problem there either! HTH.

    Ahh, the future looks bright indeed.

    In retrospect it was a great tragedy that one randy male flight attendant spread the AIDS virus to so many homosexual communities so soon. Had it not been for wealthy and influential gays, the development of anti-AIDS drugs would have been delayed until Africa had been much more impacted.

    That sounds cold and cruel, but the coming biobomb that will evolve in Sub Saharan Africa will be even worse. White intelligence and work stopped AIDS and stopped Ebola, but a superbug is coming and we won’t be able to stop it even if we wanted to.

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    " Had it not been for wealthy and influential gays, the development of anti-AIDS drugs would have been delayed until Africa had been much more impacted."

    This is semi-off topic, but was discussed in another iSteve thread just this week.

    The massive heterosexual AIDS epidemic in Africa was almost certainly a hoax. Most African countries don't or can't keep reliable statistics to chart HIV spread. During the height of the supposed epidemic, I'm pretty sure there was little HIV testing outside of South Africa in sub-Saharan African. Deaths from the usual round of sub-Saharan African diseases were reported as AIDS deaths. This was done because it was easier to get funding from wealthy people in the West to combat AIDS than to combat the usual round of sub-Saharan African diseases.
    , @Joe Schmoe
    TB is already a superbug. Resistant strains require 20-30 months of treatment with multiple drugs injected constantly. It would be impossible to stop in Africa. Also, smallpox, while currently entombed in laboratory vaults, could make a mysterious entrance. But I think, Africans will just kill one another like they always have. They just need more guns and there is no shortage of suppliers.
  25. unit472 says:

    Remember the joke- A black guy walks into a bar with a parrot on his shoulder. He sits down and the bartender asks him ‘where did you get that’? The parrot squawks “Africa! There’s billions of them”

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  26. guest says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. My question was: When do fictional characters who would today be considered on the autistic spectrum first show up in literature, movies, or plays? Are there any such characters in Shakespeare or Dickens?

    The Wikipedia page on the topic lists only 3 such before Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man in 1988.

    Maybe Hymie the Robot in Get Smart in the mid-1960s?

    Depends on how wide a spectrum you’re using. Because if we’re using internet comment section standards, then it could apply to almost any literary character this side of Harry Flashman. Wikipedia is probably sticking closer to characters authors have admitted were autistic.

    If people hunt for autistes like they hunt for crypto-gays, they’ll find them everywhere. Here are candidates off the top of my head:

    Sherlock Holmes
    Boo Radley, To Kill a Mockingbird
    Lenny, Of Mice and Men
    Mr. Darcy, Pride and Prejudice
    That one that made me quit reading The Sound and the Fury; Benjy?
    Bartelby, Bartelby the Scrivener
    Stevie, the Secret Agent
    Charlie, Flowers for Algernon

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    I thought Charlie was just mentally retarded. Or are you referring to him in his super brainy state?
    , @eD
    Really off topic, but the main character in the play and movie "Harvey", played by Jimmy Stewart in the movie, would be considered to be on the spectrum today.

    The entire plot of "Harvey", by the way, consists of the efforts of the main character's family to get him committed to the local mental hospital, which the chief psychiatrist refuses to do on the grounds that he is not crazy.

    High functioning autistics, of which Mr. Darcy may be an example, semi-functioning types such as the Jimmy Stewart character, and dis-functional types such as the character Dustin Hoffman played in "Rain Man"are now all lumped together as being on the spectrum. There is probably now over diagnosis going on with the high functioning types. American society has simply gotten more conformist and behavior in the past that was seen, and tolerated, just as eccentric is now increasingly viewed as a psychological problem. Also, American society has developed in autistic-unfriendly ways, in addition to being more conformist, its more tribal, less straightforward, and just dumbed down compared to the past (and yes immigration from more tribal, less straightforward, and lower IQ countries hasn't helped).

    Sherlock Holmes may not be on the spectrum but there is a really strong case for his brother Mycroft. There is a standing joke in the Sherlock Holmes stories that Sherlock is the dumber but socially better adapted of the two brothers.
    , @syonredux

    Sherlock Holmes
     
    Holmes autistic?Seeing as how a major factor in Holmes' success as a detective was his ability to understand human emotions, I think that we can rule that one out.
    , @a Newsreader
    Sherlock Holmes -- No. Too good understanding of human nature. He's just an eccentric genius. Vox Day would call him a Sigma.
    Boo Radley, To Kill a Mockingbird -- I haven't read this.
    Lenny, Of Mice and Men -- He's just a retard.
    Mr. Darcy, Pride and Prejudice -- He's also one of Vox Day's Sigmas.
    That one that made me quit reading The Sound and the Fury; Benjy?
    Bartelby, Bartelby the Scrivener -- I haven't read this.
    Stevie, the Secret Agent -- I haven't read this.
    Charlie, Flowers for Algernon -- He's just a retard.
  27. Trelane says:

    Ten to fifteen billion is probably absolute carrying capacity for SubSaharan Africa. Net primary productivity in SSA is about 20 billion kg of dry biomass per year or around 1/5 of the world total. That’s about 80 trillion calories which would be enough to sustain about 110 billion people on an absolute, instataneous basis with no other competing heterotrophs but that’s quite unrealistic. The actual, realistic carrying capacity for SSA is maybe 10-15 billion.

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    Assuming biomass production can be maintained with dramatically increasing population is questionable. Where are all of those people living? What about soil depletion? How many calories are needed for cooking and heating? Any idea how water supply and waste disposal would work with much larger populations?
    , @Almost Missouri
    If net primary productivity of SSA really is 20 billion kg per year (where did this figure come from, BTW?), which I agree is very roughly 80 trillion calories, that's not going to support any billion people.

    A million calories per year is a pretty meager diet. Eighty trillion divided by a million gives only 80 million souls as the carrying capacity. By this calculation, Africa is already way over its carrying capacity. And that doesn't even include biomass for cooking, heating, building and competing animals.

    I don't think these source figures can be correct.
  28. donut says:

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    This is an excellent short talk. Everyone from the disdainful to the mildly curious to the wise should find it of merit.

    I was shocked a bit when my philosophy professor at university (and a man of some moral authority: a former colonel in the Canadian Army in North Africa in WWII with a Ph.D. from the University of Berlin) told me that "Buddhism is a religion with no God." When the shock slowly wore off enough that I could think clearly about the implications of that statement (it's true, of course), I saw that believing things, though perhaps the most "spiritual" and noble things, was not enough to live a truly religious meaning connected life. Something much more fundamental was required.

    That "something" is Zen.

  29. @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. My question was: When do fictional characters who would today be considered on the autistic spectrum first show up in literature, movies, or plays? Are there any such characters in Shakespeare or Dickens?

    The Wikipedia page on the topic lists only 3 such before Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man in 1988.

    Maybe Hymie the Robot in Get Smart in the mid-1960s?

    Possibilities based on quick Googling:
    Boo Radley, to Kill a Mockingbird
    Caliban, Shakespeare’s Tempest
    Sherlock Holmes
    Mr. Darcy, from Pride and Prejudice
    Tommy Walker From the 1970’s rock musical and movie Tommy (Actor: Roger Daltrey)
    Lili von Shtupp, Blazing Saddles
    Holden Caulfield, Catcher in the Rye
    Movies produced by Val Lewton, eg Irena Dubrovna from The Cat People, 1942; Amy from The Curse of the Cat People, 1944; Finn the Mute from The Ghost Ship, 1943.
    The children in Village of the Damned, 1960
    The Addams Family
    Vera Rostov, War and Peace
    Confessions of a Crap Artist, by Philip K. Dick
    All “mad scientists”
    Frankenstein’s monster?
    I’m sure folks like Isaac Newton have been characters in novels at some point–I think he shows up in Shaw’s In Good King Charles’s Golden Days.

    But if autists didn’t stand out as much in the past, they wouldn’t stand out as much in old books, either.

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    Sherlock Holmes
     
    Holmes autistic?Seeing as how a major factor in Holmes' success as a detective was his ability to understand human emotions, I think that we can rule that one out.

    Caliban, Shakespeare’s Tempest
     
    Caliban was bestial, not autistic.
    , @guest
    Caliban is only half-human. His father was an incubus, I believe. Hard to say what's "neuro-typical" for a half-demon.

    I've also heard Spock described as autistic, but he's half-alien. You can probably ascribe his peculiarity to his Vulcanness.
  30. donut says:

    All beings , without number I vow to liberate.
    Endless blind passions I vow to uproot.
    Dharma Gates beyond measure I vow to penetrate.
    The Great Way of the Buddha I vow to attain .


    Here it is just noise but there in sesshin it is different .

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  31. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Probably India is the part of the world with the highest density. Sub-Saharan Africa is about 7 times as large as India and Indian population is projected to top out at 1.7 billion in 2050. So that would suggest that 11.9 billion is a reasonable theoretical maximum for the African population. IF African culture & society can adjust to sub-continental levels of population density.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    John Reader's book on Africa cites an island in Lake Victoria that doesn't suffer much from major insect-borne disease nor from elephants and the like eating crops. It's densely populated with hard working, efficient farmers who seem culturally more like Southern Asia than stereotypical Africa. This island is one of the few places in Africa that's long been up near its Malthusian Ceiling. Every year for most of the 20th Century, one or two percent migrated off the island to the mainland of Tanzania, where they quickly adapted the lackadaisical habits of their neighbors.
    , @Steve Sailer
    John Reader's book on Africa cites an island in Lake Victoria that doesn't suffer much from major insect-borne disease nor from elephants and the like eating crops. It's densely populated with hard working, efficient farmers who seem culturally more like Southern Asia than stereotypical Africa. This island is one of the few places in Africa that's long been up near its Malthusian Ceiling. Every year for most of the 20th Century, one or two percent migrated off the island to the mainland of Tanzania, where they quickly adapted the lackadaisical habits of their neighbors.
    , @PiltdownMan
    The density of population in India, England, Israel and Japan is almost the same. About 1,000 per square mile.

    Only Bangladesh and city-states like Singapore and Monaco have significantly
    higher densities.

    Sub-Saharan Africa's population density will be at the level of India and its cohort when the population reaches about 3.5 billion.
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    Up until fairly recently, India had a much larger population than the entire continent of Africa, a fact that astonished me when I learned it as a child. Now, India is slightly larger, and will likely be surpassed very soon. But, if you add Pakistan and Bangladesh, which have culturally and geographically been considered part of India in the past, it is still considerably larger than Africa (and would even be ahead of China).
  32. The unspoken assumption we all have is that these numbers left unchecked, whether it’s 4 billion or 15 billion, will bring about a new Dark Ages, or even possibly the end of mankind. Regarding the latter, you’d have to assume that nuclear weapons would fall under their control at some point. And would you trust nukes in the hands of people like those responsible for the Rwandan genocide?

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    Mr. Derbyshire recently cited a work (I forget the title just now) explaining how the imminent collapse will be permanent, because in order to extract resources necessary for technologically advanced civilisation now requires an extant, technologically advanced civilisation, due to the easy pickings' aleady having been depleted. A man may no longer obtain coal with a mattock and a shovel; absent a sophisticated infrastructure, fuels, etc., fracking simply is not possible. And so on.
  33. Yan Shen says:

    So in the words of our good friend Whiskey, the rest of the world is literally going to be fucked by this explosion of population in Sub-Saharan Africa, with Europe being the most vulnerable. On the bright side, at least this will be uh beneficial for women, who hate hate hate beta males…

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    The degree of negro-phallic worship among certain members of this conference continues to amaze me. Have some of you done time in prison, or is it just an Asian inferiority complex?
    , @Njguy73
    " The old-style contemptuous attitude towards ‘natives’ has been much weakened in England, and various pseudo-scientific theories emphasising the superiority of the white race have been abandoned. Among the intelligentsia, colour feeling only occurs in the transposed form, that is, as a belief in the innate superiority of the coloured races. This is now increasingly common among English intellectuals, probably resulting more often from masochism and sexual frustration than from contact with the Oriental and Negro nationalist movements. Even among those who do not feel strongly on the colour question, snobbery and imitation have a powerful influence. Almost any English intellectual would be scandalised by the claim that the white races are superior to the coloured, whereas the opposite claim would seem to him unexceptionable even if he disagreed with it. Nationalistic attachment to the coloured races is usually mixed up with the belief that their sex lives are superior, and there is a large underground mythology about the sexual prowess of Negroes." - George Orwell, "Notes On Nationalism" 1945
  34. Chris C4 says:

    At least the future won’t be Arab. That would be a real nightmare.

    By the way IMO Sub-Saharan Africa really isn’t as bad as they say, just from what I’ve seen.

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  35. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Well, we should be thankful, at least, that no subsaharan nation, whether singly or in combination is ever likely to develop a formidable military-industrial complex.

    Then we would be well and truly screwed.

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  36. Kyle McKenna [AKA "Mika-Non"] says:

    May I remind everyone that the prevention and treatment of human diseases, and the extension of human lifespans, are two major focuses of the important work in Africa being funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

    Separately, somewhat, this may be the place to quote the Swedish economist Knut Wicksell, who noted that while we may argue forever what might constitute the optimal world population level, the maximum sustainable population is by definition the worst.

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    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Melinda Gates: Foreign aid cuts to contraceptives in Trump's budget hurt millions of women
     
    Today, in unrelated news:

    GOP-Controlled House Subcommittees Reject Trump Budget Cuts

    ... One subcommittee has rejected Trump's proposal to eliminate the $1.6 billion Food for Peace program that ships U.S.-grown food to hungry nations.
     

    Onward, Christian soldiers.
  37. FPD72 says:
    @Cheetah
    Liberals are not responsible for population growth. Religious right must take responsibility for this stupidity.

    I keep reading this assertion that the religious right rejects contraception. What do commentators mean by “religious right” and “population control?” Usually, evangelicals and contraception I think. Yet very few evangelical leaders are against contraception. Such leaders as Dobson, Piper, Moher, and MacArthur support contraceptive use. Movements within the evangelical community that oppose contraception are relatively small. I can’t think of any major leaders (no, Mary Pride is not a major leader) who oppose the use of contraception. There is a “full quiver” movement that opposes contraception but it is generally viewed as a fringe movement.

    Yes, evangelicals in large part reject abortion as the taking of innocent life. But abortion is not a contraceptive method, since it takes place AFTER conception.

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    Tell that to SSA's 171 million Roman Catholics.
    , @Roderick Spode
    Also, YES, pro-lifers are partially to blame for this time-bomb. As James Porrazzo of #NLM has observed, Africa should have an abortion clinic on every corner. Hell, Western concerns should be paying African women to have abortions.
  38. @Anon
    Probably India is the part of the world with the highest density. Sub-Saharan Africa is about 7 times as large as India and Indian population is projected to top out at 1.7 billion in 2050. So that would suggest that 11.9 billion is a reasonable theoretical maximum for the African population. IF African culture & society can adjust to sub-continental levels of population density.

    John Reader’s book on Africa cites an island in Lake Victoria that doesn’t suffer much from major insect-borne disease nor from elephants and the like eating crops. It’s densely populated with hard working, efficient farmers who seem culturally more like Southern Asia than stereotypical Africa. This island is one of the few places in Africa that’s long been up near its Malthusian Ceiling. Every year for most of the 20th Century, one or two percent migrated off the island to the mainland of Tanzania, where they quickly adapted the lackadaisical habits of their neighbors.

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  39. @Anon
    Probably India is the part of the world with the highest density. Sub-Saharan Africa is about 7 times as large as India and Indian population is projected to top out at 1.7 billion in 2050. So that would suggest that 11.9 billion is a reasonable theoretical maximum for the African population. IF African culture & society can adjust to sub-continental levels of population density.

    John Reader’s book on Africa cites an island in Lake Victoria that doesn’t suffer much from major insect-borne disease nor from elephants and the like eating crops. It’s densely populated with hard working, efficient farmers who seem culturally more like Southern Asia than stereotypical Africa. This island is one of the few places in Africa that’s long been up near its Malthusian Ceiling. Every year for most of the 20th Century, one or two percent migrated off the island to the mainland of Tanzania, where they quickly adapted the lackadaisical habits of their neighbors.

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  40. Flip says:
    @Wilkey
    "Fifteen billion Sub-Saharans is really not likely to happen, but my main point is: I’m not making these numbers up. These all come from the United Nations, not me."

    The UN needs to remake that refugee video but with "15 billion migrants on the move."

    I mean the more the merrier, right?

    The next someone drones on about saving all those starving people in Africa ask them how, if Africa is starving, they managed to increase their population by over 37% in just 15 years.

    Or how they increased their population if everyone is supposed to be dying of AIDS.

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  41. Kyle McKenna [AKA "Mika-Non"] says:
    @Yan Shen
    So in the words of our good friend Whiskey, the rest of the world is literally going to be fucked by this explosion of population in Sub-Saharan Africa, with Europe being the most vulnerable. On the bright side, at least this will be uh beneficial for women, who hate hate hate beta males...

    The degree of negro-phallic worship among certain members of this conference continues to amaze me. Have some of you done time in prison, or is it just an Asian inferiority complex?

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  42. Tiny Duck says:

    More Black people=better planet

    They built America, create the best music and food and are more people oriented

    Read verysmartbrothss blog to get a taste of how things would be

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    Not necessary to read the blog. Just have to go to Haiti or Detroit.
    , @fish

    Hey... knock a self a pro, Slick! That gray matter backlot perform us DOWN, I take TCB-in', man!

    - Leonard Pitts
     

    All people of color agree......!
  43. tyrone says:

    are you sure that black line on the graph isn’t yeast in a barrel of sour mash that got in by mistake ,no just kidding ,but the analogy is kind of apt.All that white man know-how is like a big bag of sugar in the mash. ps.I’m not a moonshiner.

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  44. TheJester says:

    Will Sub-Saharan Africa’s Population Hit 10 Billion? 15 Billion?

    “Where will they go?” I predict … nowhere in large numbers.

    Sub-Saharan Africa has been famous for what Western NCOs cynically call “die-offs”. The “die-offs” can be the result of disease, famine, or armed gangs looting and massacring their neighbors. They are the collective evidence of African societies having reached their Malthusian Limits.

    So, what do the Western SJWs do? They intervene with Western medical care, food aid, and peacekeeping operations. These cycles of intervention repeat themselves year after year and decade after decade. African populations understandably explode beyond their Malthusian Limits. Now, systematically living beyond their resources, Africans are on the move, especially to European countries where they know from television and smartphones that “the streets are paved with gold”?

    Comments made by immigrants in London:

    “Can you believe it? Education, medical care, and council housing are free!”

    This is London – Life and Death in the World City by Ben Judah

    However, supporting open borders and massive immigration, European countries don’t realize that they are likewise already on the road to their Malthusian limits. This will take time. Their renowned welfare systems and beyond-kin altruism will fold in the process … early on and just before the European “die-offs” start due to civil wars and related disease, famine, and violence.

    Once Europe can no longer intervene to allow sub-Saharan Africa to live beyond its Malthusian Limits, I predict that Africa’s population will implode in a colossal “die-off” that will make the casualties of colonialism, WWI, WWII, and assorted holocausts look like chump change. Unfortunately, it will be too late for Europe. It will have already entered a new Dark Age of its own making.

    How does that saying go? Don’t mess with Mother Nature.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Sub-Saharan Africa has been famous for what Western NCOs cynically call “die-offs”

    Is it?

    Off hand, I can't think of too many downturns in population in Africa for more than a few years.

    I think Malthus has been largely the wrong framework for thinking about Africa. Sure, a few places like Rwanda have been close to its Malthusian limits, but that has been more the exception than the rule.

    , @Steve Sailer
    Sub-Saharan Africa has been famous for what Western NCOs cynically call “die-offs”

    Is it?

    Off hand, I can't think of too many downturns in population in Africa for more than a few years.

    I think Malthus has been largely the wrong framework for thinking about Africa. Sure, a few places like Rwanda have been close to its Malthusian limits, but that has been more the exception than the rule.

  45. @Anon
    Probably India is the part of the world with the highest density. Sub-Saharan Africa is about 7 times as large as India and Indian population is projected to top out at 1.7 billion in 2050. So that would suggest that 11.9 billion is a reasonable theoretical maximum for the African population. IF African culture & society can adjust to sub-continental levels of population density.

    The density of population in India, England, Israel and Japan is almost the same. About 1,000 per square mile.

    Only Bangladesh and city-states like Singapore and Monaco have significantly
    higher densities.

    Sub-Saharan Africa’s population density will be at the level of India and its cohort when the population reaches about 3.5 billion.

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  46. […] Steve Sailer Will Sub-Saharan Africa’s Population Hit 10 Billion? 15 Billion? […]

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  47. @Anon
    Probably India is the part of the world with the highest density. Sub-Saharan Africa is about 7 times as large as India and Indian population is projected to top out at 1.7 billion in 2050. So that would suggest that 11.9 billion is a reasonable theoretical maximum for the African population. IF African culture & society can adjust to sub-continental levels of population density.

    Up until fairly recently, India had a much larger population than the entire continent of Africa, a fact that astonished me when I learned it as a child. Now, India is slightly larger, and will likely be surpassed very soon. But, if you add Pakistan and Bangladesh, which have culturally and geographically been considered part of India in the past, it is still considerably larger than Africa (and would even be ahead of China).

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  48. ISOLATE THE SUB-SAHARAN AFRICANS — EXTRACT AFRICAN RESOURCES

    Leave the gun, take the cannoli:

    The American Empire can come to some understanding with the Russians, Chinese and other global powers to isolate the population of sub-Saharan Africans. The northern portion of the American Empire has already pocketized the sub-Saharan Africans in places like Detroit, Newark and Chicago. This simple concept must be made an informal agreement among the global powers.

    Attention all State Department slobs: I just called Russia and China global powers; Do you bastards have a direct response to that? The idea that the American Empire, alone, has the authority to subject the entirety of the globe to its will — including the oceans and the upper atmosphere — is an idea that should be discarded.

    Part of being an American is to be an honorary Englishman, whether you have any English blood or not. Slavery was worse than immoral, it was stupid. There was no thought to the future disposition of the sub-Saharan Africans after slavery had run its course. That is dumb as hell. Just like the current mass immigration invasion underway in the United States is dumb as hell.

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    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    I'll accept the "honorary Englishman" title, but with the following disclaimer:

    As an American, I disclaim any and/or all responsibility for any and/or all debts and/or obligations (moral and/or otherwise) incurred by Englishmen anywhere and/or everywhere.

    In other words, don't blame me for English colonialism, or the Irish potato famine, and/or any other action that might be blamed on the great mass of Englishmen. And don't expect me to do anything for anyone but myself, on my own terms, in my own way.

    I'm an ardent isolationist. I owe nothing to no one.

    Now, where do I apply for my free English welfare goodies? After all, it is my human right to sponge off of the English taxpayer while contributing nothing in return, isn't it?

  49. TG says:
    @Anonymous
    'Fifteen million subsaharan Africans is really likely not to happen'.

    To repeat myself, Steve, why the confident certainty?

    Would a man of 1920 have said that 200 million Nigerians was feasible?
    Would a man of 1970 would have thought that the Italians, of all people, would be busily inviting in millions upon millions of black Africans?
    Would a man of 1930 ever had contemplated the very notion of a non-white, non-European majority Britain?

    The 'unthinkable' and the 'impossible' have strange ways of becoming tomorrow's normality.

    And, oh, we are cursed by government by Economist magazine.

    Reply to Anonymous: as regards the ‘impossible’ becoming tomorrow’s normality: no not really.

    In 1800 the population of China was about 300 million. If they had had enough food, by today there should be 37 billion Chinese (give or take). Didn’t happen.

    The population of Syria was, until recently, doubling every 15 years. Projections showed the population of Syria hitting 700 million by 2100. Not happening.

    The zeroth law of economics: if it is physically impossible for something to happen, it won’t. One way or the other.

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    • Replies: @bomag

    if it is physically impossible for something to happen, it won’t.
     
    If you have to wait for physical limits to express themselves as a solution for your problems, are you really a civilization?
    , @Anonymous
    Perhaps. Perhaps.

    But at the risk of being a bore, to the English gentleman/flaneur of 1880, the prospect of England becoming an overwhelmingly African/Indian nation would have seemed so absurd and preposterous ('surely the government won't let it happen!') as to be beyond the imagination of the most fevered dystopian science fiction writer.
  50. @TheJester

    Will Sub-Saharan Africa's Population Hit 10 Billion? 15 Billion?
     
    "Where will they go?" I predict ... nowhere in large numbers.

    Sub-Saharan Africa has been famous for what Western NCOs cynically call "die-offs". The "die-offs" can be the result of disease, famine, or armed gangs looting and massacring their neighbors. They are the collective evidence of African societies having reached their Malthusian Limits.

    So, what do the Western SJWs do? They intervene with Western medical care, food aid, and peacekeeping operations. These cycles of intervention repeat themselves year after year and decade after decade. African populations understandably explode beyond their Malthusian Limits. Now, systematically living beyond their resources, Africans are on the move, especially to European countries where they know from television and smartphones that "the streets are paved with gold"?

    Comments made by immigrants in London:


    "Can you believe it? Education, medical care, and council housing are free!"

    This is London - Life and Death in the World City by Ben Judah
     

    However, supporting open borders and massive immigration, European countries don't realize that they are likewise already on the road to their Malthusian limits. This will take time. Their renowned welfare systems and beyond-kin altruism will fold in the process ... early on and just before the European "die-offs" start due to civil wars and related disease, famine, and violence.

    Once Europe can no longer intervene to allow sub-Saharan Africa to live beyond its Malthusian Limits, I predict that Africa's population will implode in a colossal "die-off" that will make the casualties of colonialism, WWI, WWII, and assorted holocausts look like chump change. Unfortunately, it will be too late for Europe. It will have already entered a new Dark Age of its own making.

    How does that saying go? Don't mess with Mother Nature.

    Sub-Saharan Africa has been famous for what Western NCOs cynically call “die-offs”

    Is it?

    Off hand, I can’t think of too many downturns in population in Africa for more than a few years.

    I think Malthus has been largely the wrong framework for thinking about Africa. Sure, a few places like Rwanda have been close to its Malthusian limits, but that has been more the exception than the rule.

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    iSteve,

    When do you start your timeline? I start mine in the late 19th Century when Western technological and medical influence and aid started to have its impact on African food security and life expectancy. Whether one calls it colonialism, neo-colonialism, or post-colonialism, the impact has been the same ... the artificial suspension of sub-Saharan Africa's Malthusian Limits on account of that aid. That suspension is now institutionalized through the UN and the NGOs that distribute Western aid and medical resources.

    The reference below cites the impact of disease and epidemics in Africa starting in 1976. The reference notes that there have been reductions in deaths due to "early detection and timely and effective response" ... on the part of West through the WHO, NGOs, and direct government aid. Recall the West's response to the Ebola epidemic in the 2003 to 2007 timeframe.

    https://www.cdc.gov/globalhealth/dphswd/idsr/pdf/Kebede%202010.%20Trends%20of%20Major%20Disease%20Outbreaks%20in%20the%20African%20region,%202003_2007.pdf

    The enduring point is that in that timeframe, African culture did not materially change. As you relate in your blog series, the Nigerien woman who has seven children still wants nine. Keep Western aid in place, and most of the seven (or nine) children are likely to survive. Remove the artificial Western aid ... and demographic disaster will quickly follow through radically reduced food security and runaway medical epidemics.
  51. @TheJester

    Will Sub-Saharan Africa's Population Hit 10 Billion? 15 Billion?
     
    "Where will they go?" I predict ... nowhere in large numbers.

    Sub-Saharan Africa has been famous for what Western NCOs cynically call "die-offs". The "die-offs" can be the result of disease, famine, or armed gangs looting and massacring their neighbors. They are the collective evidence of African societies having reached their Malthusian Limits.

    So, what do the Western SJWs do? They intervene with Western medical care, food aid, and peacekeeping operations. These cycles of intervention repeat themselves year after year and decade after decade. African populations understandably explode beyond their Malthusian Limits. Now, systematically living beyond their resources, Africans are on the move, especially to European countries where they know from television and smartphones that "the streets are paved with gold"?

    Comments made by immigrants in London:


    "Can you believe it? Education, medical care, and council housing are free!"

    This is London - Life and Death in the World City by Ben Judah
     

    However, supporting open borders and massive immigration, European countries don't realize that they are likewise already on the road to their Malthusian limits. This will take time. Their renowned welfare systems and beyond-kin altruism will fold in the process ... early on and just before the European "die-offs" start due to civil wars and related disease, famine, and violence.

    Once Europe can no longer intervene to allow sub-Saharan Africa to live beyond its Malthusian Limits, I predict that Africa's population will implode in a colossal "die-off" that will make the casualties of colonialism, WWI, WWII, and assorted holocausts look like chump change. Unfortunately, it will be too late for Europe. It will have already entered a new Dark Age of its own making.

    How does that saying go? Don't mess with Mother Nature.

    Sub-Saharan Africa has been famous for what Western NCOs cynically call “die-offs”

    Is it?

    Off hand, I can’t think of too many downturns in population in Africa for more than a few years.

    I think Malthus has been largely the wrong framework for thinking about Africa. Sure, a few places like Rwanda have been close to its Malthusian limits, but that has been more the exception than the rule.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    On a related note, today's absurd exponential African population growth is quite the anomaly.

    The great nemesis 'malaria' culled the herd to equilibrium levels.
    , @anon
    It just dawned on me that anything that would extend the lifespan of African individuals above childbearing age would reduce the resources of reproducing Africans.

    The phrase 'eat their young' is just a metaphor but perhaps this is important.

    Perhaps urbanization and feeding old people will have an impact on fertility.

    India is perceived by ethnocentric Westerners as having an issue with open defecation. However, it is in competition with some African countries. I suppose it works as well for transgendered as any policy currently being debated in the US.

    Niger is on the list of countries with challenges in this area.

    When we are talking about billions -- there are some basic sanitation considerations.

  52. jb says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    This is beginning to sound like a cancer diagnosis.

    The patient doesn't want to believe it, so the doctor says, "I'm not making these numbers up. These all come from the lab, not me. It's on the move. It's inevitable."

    This is beginning to sound like a cancer diagnosis.

    No no no, you’ve got it all wrong! It’s the white race that is “the cancer of human history”.

    Seriously, I’ve been wondering for years what happens if despite anything anyone says or does, African fertility rates just don’t go down. What then?

    The problem is, I don’t think the long term success of technological civilization is at all foreordained. Complex system tend to be fragile in unanticipated ways. I think we could easily exhaust our resources and collapse back into barbarism, and then what? Climbing back might be difficult, because there will be no oil or coal to burn for cheap energy, and all the easily accessible minerals will already have been ripped from the ground and scattered all over the landscape. If we blow this first chance we may not get another!

    The long term future of the human race could be the stars, but it could also be a million years of wood, stone, and iron. And black Africa could end up being the determining factor. Excuse me if I see this as a more important issue than which bathrooms sexually confused teenagers are allowed to use!

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    That's a disturbing quote. Good think Sonntag was just a White Ethnomasochist, as John Derbyshire reminds us, instead of a nonwhite ethnosadist.
    , @Lurker

    Excuse me if I see this as a more important issue than which bathrooms sexually confused teenagers are allowed to use!
     
    The problem is: the people who are anxious to usher in our glorious African future are the exact same people who want a tranny in every bathroom.

    I suspect they are, ultimately, all part of the same process but it's possible the tranny issue is there to distract us from the bigger problems.
    , @Stan Adams
    Black Africans, left to their own devices, will breed like rabbits and die like flies.

    Whites are dumb enough to solve the latter problem while ignoring the former one. So, yes, the African population explosion is our fault. We created the problem with our technology, our medicine, our agriculture, and our compassion.

    White compassion (and its Siamese twin, white guilt) is our Achilles' heel. If we lacked compassion and guilt, then we could sit back and let nature take its course.
    , @Kevin C.

    The problem is, I don’t think the long term success of technological civilization is at all foreordained. Complex system tend to be fragile in unanticipated ways. I think we could easily exhaust our resources and collapse back into barbarism, and then what? Climbing back might be difficult, because there will be no oil or coal to burn for cheap energy, and all the easily accessible minerals will already have been ripped from the ground and scattered all over the landscape. If we blow this first chance we may not get another!
     
    This is an argument I also have to keep making to folks, Left and Right, who hold that collapse is impossible beyond the short term, that one always recovers from a "dark age", and that it's impossible nowadays for technologies to be truly lost — that the Industrial Revolution is quite likely a once-per-planet event, and that if humanity messes it up — which is easier to do than people think — we'll never get it back.
  53. Andy says:

    I agree that the Medium variant is way too optimistic. Using the same UN data I made this exce chart with yearly population growth in subsaharan Africa. While it is true that in the last few years the population growth has levelled off at a rate of about 2,8% a year, the UN is supposing the growth will start declining from 2017 on, reaching 0,7% in 2100. I see no evidence yet this will happen.

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  54. bomag says:
    @TG
    Reply to Anonymous: as regards the 'impossible' becoming tomorrow's normality: no not really.

    In 1800 the population of China was about 300 million. If they had had enough food, by today there should be 37 billion Chinese (give or take). Didn't happen.

    The population of Syria was, until recently, doubling every 15 years. Projections showed the population of Syria hitting 700 million by 2100. Not happening.

    The zeroth law of economics: if it is physically impossible for something to happen, it won't. One way or the other.

    if it is physically impossible for something to happen, it won’t.

    If you have to wait for physical limits to express themselves as a solution for your problems, are you really a civilization?

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  55. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @TG
    Reply to Anonymous: as regards the 'impossible' becoming tomorrow's normality: no not really.

    In 1800 the population of China was about 300 million. If they had had enough food, by today there should be 37 billion Chinese (give or take). Didn't happen.

    The population of Syria was, until recently, doubling every 15 years. Projections showed the population of Syria hitting 700 million by 2100. Not happening.

    The zeroth law of economics: if it is physically impossible for something to happen, it won't. One way or the other.

    Perhaps. Perhaps.

    But at the risk of being a bore, to the English gentleman/flaneur of 1880, the prospect of England becoming an overwhelmingly African/Indian nation would have seemed so absurd and preposterous (‘surely the government won’t let it happen!’) as to be beyond the imagination of the most fevered dystopian science fiction writer.

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Well Queen Vicky sure loved her Munshi. In retrospect, that was really an omen of things to come.
  56. Travis says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. My question was: When do fictional characters who would today be considered on the autistic spectrum first show up in literature, movies, or plays? Are there any such characters in Shakespeare or Dickens?

    The Wikipedia page on the topic lists only 3 such before Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man in 1988.

    Maybe Hymie the Robot in Get Smart in the mid-1960s?

    in the past most autistic individual would have been considered mentally retarded. How many Retarded characters were prominent in novels ? 3% of the population was retarded until the 90s when they started to classify about half of the retards as autistic. 75% or three-quarters of children with autism also have an intellectual disability, but parents would rather label their children as autistic, since it sounds better than retarded.

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    ? 3% of the population was retarded until the 90s when they started to classify about half of the retards as autistic. 75% or three-quarters of children with autism also have an intellectual disability, but parents would rather label their children as autistic, since it sounds better than retarded.
     
    As far as I know, no modern MD will classify any child as "retarded". You just don't do it apparently. I once saw a graph showing the rise in autism with the same decline in the diagnosis of retardation. It was lock step.

    My parents ran a group home for mental ill and retarded adults, back when they were called that. Now, I meet "autistic" boys are appear to merely high strung and nerdy and just need handling like they have 3 brain cells rather than the mind numbing boredom of grammar school and "autistic" children who are clearly different and mentally retarded.

    But in today's world, the goal is to blend high IQ with low IQ and pretend it's all the same problem! Progress.

    Fun word history: Retarded (as in retarded development) was the nice word to replace "idiot". I'm waiting for the replacement for autistic after it's clear to everyone that "aussie" means moron.

  57. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Steve Sailer
    Sub-Saharan Africa has been famous for what Western NCOs cynically call “die-offs”

    Is it?

    Off hand, I can't think of too many downturns in population in Africa for more than a few years.

    I think Malthus has been largely the wrong framework for thinking about Africa. Sure, a few places like Rwanda have been close to its Malthusian limits, but that has been more the exception than the rule.

    On a related note, today’s absurd exponential African population growth is quite the anomaly.

    The great nemesis ‘malaria’ culled the herd to equilibrium levels.

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  58. AndrewR says:
    @jb

    This is beginning to sound like a cancer diagnosis.
     
    No no no, you've got it all wrong! It's the white race that is "the cancer of human history".

    Seriously, I've been wondering for years what happens if despite anything anyone says or does, African fertility rates just don't go down. What then?

    The problem is, I don't think the long term success of technological civilization is at all foreordained. Complex system tend to be fragile in unanticipated ways. I think we could easily exhaust our resources and collapse back into barbarism, and then what? Climbing back might be difficult, because there will be no oil or coal to burn for cheap energy, and all the easily accessible minerals will already have been ripped from the ground and scattered all over the landscape. If we blow this first chance we may not get another!

    The long term future of the human race could be the stars, but it could also be a million years of wood, stone, and iron. And black Africa could end up being the determining factor. Excuse me if I see this as a more important issue than which bathrooms sexually confused teenagers are allowed to use!

    That’s a disturbing quote. Good think Sonntag was just a White Ethnomasochist, as John Derbyshire reminds us, instead of a nonwhite ethnosadist.

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  59. AndrewR says:
    @Anonymous
    Perhaps. Perhaps.

    But at the risk of being a bore, to the English gentleman/flaneur of 1880, the prospect of England becoming an overwhelmingly African/Indian nation would have seemed so absurd and preposterous ('surely the government won't let it happen!') as to be beyond the imagination of the most fevered dystopian science fiction writer.

    Well Queen Vicky sure loved her Munshi. In retrospect, that was really an omen of things to come.

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  60. carol says:
    @Lugash
    Maybe our intelligence agencies can take some time off from blowing up the Mid East and promote family planning in the third world? I think they did that in the 50s and 60s.

    They’ve been doing that forever. Waugh satirized it in Black Mischief IIRC, or in Scoop. The Africans just aren’t interested in family planning. Birth control is for Losers.

    They have nothing else better to do so why not procreate.

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  61. Marty T says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    OT—Fraying of the Fringes:

    Star of David “pride flags” were removed from Dyke March Chicago, and called “offensive” and “triggering” by those who associate the symbol with the State of Israel. Plenty of Jews on Twitter were not happy, as evidenced by scrolling this timeline.

    The Chicago Dyke March Collective’s response to the brouhaha mentioned suspicions of astroturfing by Israeli state groups, and had this slogan (via Breitbart):


    From Palestine to Mexico, border walls have got to go!!
     

    The Jews are moving further away from the left, though gradually. They are realizing that the rest of the fringe coalition kind of hates them. It’s why you see Alan Dershowitz defending Trump on tv.

    In 2020, I can see Trump winning close to half the Jewish vote.

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  62. Lurker says:
    @jb

    This is beginning to sound like a cancer diagnosis.
     
    No no no, you've got it all wrong! It's the white race that is "the cancer of human history".

    Seriously, I've been wondering for years what happens if despite anything anyone says or does, African fertility rates just don't go down. What then?

    The problem is, I don't think the long term success of technological civilization is at all foreordained. Complex system tend to be fragile in unanticipated ways. I think we could easily exhaust our resources and collapse back into barbarism, and then what? Climbing back might be difficult, because there will be no oil or coal to burn for cheap energy, and all the easily accessible minerals will already have been ripped from the ground and scattered all over the landscape. If we blow this first chance we may not get another!

    The long term future of the human race could be the stars, but it could also be a million years of wood, stone, and iron. And black Africa could end up being the determining factor. Excuse me if I see this as a more important issue than which bathrooms sexually confused teenagers are allowed to use!

    Excuse me if I see this as a more important issue than which bathrooms sexually confused teenagers are allowed to use!

    The problem is: the people who are anxious to usher in our glorious African future are the exact same people who want a tranny in every bathroom.

    I suspect they are, ultimately, all part of the same process but it’s possible the tranny issue is there to distract us from the bigger problems.

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    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    Don't worry. somewhere in Maryland a bunch of US Government goons are working on a gene specific Smallpox.
  63. Anonym says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. My question was: When do fictional characters who would today be considered on the autistic spectrum first show up in literature, movies, or plays? Are there any such characters in Shakespeare or Dickens?

    The Wikipedia page on the topic lists only 3 such before Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man in 1988.

    Maybe Hymie the Robot in Get Smart in the mid-1960s?

    Does the Count of Monte Cristo, err, count?

    Saruman from LOTR, and other wizards?

    Ayn Rand’s heroes?

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    • Replies: @Autochthon
    By these lights intelligent and individualistic people are now autistic the way fat women have become curvy.

    Not one character you list is autistic by any standard involving a remotely serious understanding of the condition.
    , @guest
    Randian heroes get the ladies/dudes.

    Granted, they often have to rape them and/or treat them like prostitutes. But that's what girls secretly want. Because Randian heroes (the male ones; the female ones don't have to rape, obviously) are so awesome.

    They also don't get along with others because they're awesome, not because of some defect.

    Wait until the DSM includes a diagnosis of awesomeness.
  64. Anonym says:

    https://youtu.be/aCbfMkh940Q

    A little more seriously, it seems that it has been a while since a really effective disease has ravaged the earth. The higher the number of people living in high concentrations the more opportunity there would be for it to evolve.

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  65. Njguy73 says:
    @Yan Shen
    So in the words of our good friend Whiskey, the rest of the world is literally going to be fucked by this explosion of population in Sub-Saharan Africa, with Europe being the most vulnerable. On the bright side, at least this will be uh beneficial for women, who hate hate hate beta males...

    ” The old-style contemptuous attitude towards ‘natives’ has been much weakened in England, and various pseudo-scientific theories emphasising the superiority of the white race have been abandoned. Among the intelligentsia, colour feeling only occurs in the transposed form, that is, as a belief in the innate superiority of the coloured races. This is now increasingly common among English intellectuals, probably resulting more often from masochism and sexual frustration than from contact with the Oriental and Negro nationalist movements. Even among those who do not feel strongly on the colour question, snobbery and imitation have a powerful influence. Almost any English intellectual would be scandalised by the claim that the white races are superior to the coloured, whereas the opposite claim would seem to him unexceptionable even if he disagreed with it. Nationalistic attachment to the coloured races is usually mixed up with the belief that their sex lives are superior, and there is a large underground mythology about the sexual prowess of Negroes.” – George Orwell, “Notes On Nationalism” 1945

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  66. TheJester says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Sub-Saharan Africa has been famous for what Western NCOs cynically call “die-offs”

    Is it?

    Off hand, I can't think of too many downturns in population in Africa for more than a few years.

    I think Malthus has been largely the wrong framework for thinking about Africa. Sure, a few places like Rwanda have been close to its Malthusian limits, but that has been more the exception than the rule.

    iSteve,

    When do you start your timeline? I start mine in the late 19th Century when Western technological and medical influence and aid started to have its impact on African food security and life expectancy. Whether one calls it colonialism, neo-colonialism, or post-colonialism, the impact has been the same … the artificial suspension of sub-Saharan Africa’s Malthusian Limits on account of that aid. That suspension is now institutionalized through the UN and the NGOs that distribute Western aid and medical resources.

    The reference below cites the impact of disease and epidemics in Africa starting in 1976. The reference notes that there have been reductions in deaths due to “early detection and timely and effective response” … on the part of West through the WHO, NGOs, and direct government aid. Recall the West’s response to the Ebola epidemic in the 2003 to 2007 timeframe.

    https://www.cdc.gov/globalhealth/dphswd/idsr/pdf/Kebede%202010.%20Trends%20of%20Major%20Disease%20Outbreaks%20in%20the%20African%20region,%202003_2007.pdf

    The enduring point is that in that timeframe, African culture did not materially change. As you relate in your blog series, the Nigerien woman who has seven children still wants nine. Keep Western aid in place, and most of the seven (or nine) children are likely to survive. Remove the artificial Western aid … and demographic disaster will quickly follow through radically reduced food security and runaway medical epidemics.

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  67. @guest
    Depends on how wide a spectrum you're using. Because if we're using internet comment section standards, then it could apply to almost any literary character this side of Harry Flashman. Wikipedia is probably sticking closer to characters authors have admitted were autistic.

    If people hunt for autistes like they hunt for crypto-gays, they'll find them everywhere. Here are candidates off the top of my head:

    Sherlock Holmes
    Boo Radley, To Kill a Mockingbird
    Lenny, Of Mice and Men
    Mr. Darcy, Pride and Prejudice
    That one that made me quit reading The Sound and the Fury; Benjy?
    Bartelby, Bartelby the Scrivener
    Stevie, the Secret Agent
    Charlie, Flowers for Algernon

    I thought Charlie was just mentally retarded. Or are you referring to him in his super brainy state?

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    true, but most autistics are retarded. He could have been a typical retarded autistic man. Before 1990, if a person was retarded and autistic they were called retarded. Today if a person is retarded and autistic they call them autistic. My nephew is called autistic by his parents. But most people of my generation would call him retarded, although his IQ is probably 85. Due to his autism he he is less functional than a person with a 75 IQ.
  68. The UN has a broadly poor reputation and not just in the unz/sailer universe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_United_Nations

    Saying UN has a poor estimate or they are biased is not going to surprise anyone. However, a better properly researched analysis speaks louder than complaints about bias.

    Why not finance/organize a proper demography study and future extrapolation? I’ve met people with advanced degrees in demographics who are eager for modestly paying demographic work, and would do serious non-ideologically-based analysis.

    Sailer is very wise and politically savvy and often outsmarts the mainstream, but maybe having independent professional demographic specialists work on this is a good idea.

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  69. res says:
    @Trelane
    Ten to fifteen billion is probably absolute carrying capacity for SubSaharan Africa. Net primary productivity in SSA is about 20 billion kg of dry biomass per year or around 1/5 of the world total. That's about 80 trillion calories which would be enough to sustain about 110 billion people on an absolute, instataneous basis with no other competing heterotrophs but that's quite unrealistic. The actual, realistic carrying capacity for SSA is maybe 10-15 billion.

    Assuming biomass production can be maintained with dramatically increasing population is questionable. Where are all of those people living? What about soil depletion? How many calories are needed for cooking and heating? Any idea how water supply and waste disposal would work with much larger populations?

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    • Replies: @Trelane
    Many Africans live outdoors and some, such as the traditional Maasai don't cook their food (blood, milk and meat of the Zebu ox, all eaten uncooked). And people don't really take up that much space relative to the scale of the earth's land surface. In some cases, such as the now-extinct Tasmanians, fire is not used. In others, such as the traditional Yanomami, clothing is not worn. Mankind can survive and reproduce with a very small footprint.

    Presently on earth, man consumes about 1% of the net primary productivity of the planet. Mankind's (7 billion of us) basal metabolism consumes 700GW (gigawatts or billions of watts) compared to the 75TW (terawatts or trillions of watts) of net primary production. This is 0.93% or close to 1% with apologies to any decimal point that may have had its feelings hurt. Mankind currently eats 1% of the planet.
  70. @Cheetah
    Liberals are not responsible for population growth. Religious right must take responsibility for this stupidity.

    Personally, I would like the USAF to use B-52′s to carpet bomb Africa with contraceptives. But it’s ridiculous to blame the religious right for everything. Do Africans consult James Dobson before they screw? Africa is filled with the most backward, dysfunctional people on Earth. No matter what anyone says, they are going to do what they do. I certainly wouldn’t give so-called conservatives any credit for even thinking about this issue much less doing anything about it. But it’s the Left that wants to invite all of these “refugee” to overwhelm the U.S. and Europe.

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    • Replies: @FPD72
    It would be good if they did consult James Dobson before screwing, since he would tell them not to unless married (and only one wife per man) and that it is perfectly fine for them to use contraception.

    What is the source of this belief that evangelicals are for the most part against contraception? Yes, a relative handful are, but they are a fringe minority.
  71. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Tiny Duck
    More Black people=better planet

    They built America, create the best music and food and are more people oriented

    Read verysmartbrothss blog to get a taste of how things would be

    Not necessary to read the blog. Just have to go to Haiti or Detroit.

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  72. peterike says:

    In super fun African immigrant news, there was a big puzzle in New York recently about just who defaulted on payments for an apartment in Billionaire’s Row, a $50.9 M penthouse — the biggest apartment default EVAH.

    Well in news that will shock nobody, it was a Nigerian!

    http://nypost.com/2017/06/26/mystery-man-who-foreclosed-50-9m-billionaires-row-penthouse-revealed/

    Doesn’t matter how many black billions you have, if you don’t wanna pay, you just don’t pay.

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    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool
    Jesus, if it was valued at 10x rental earnings, the guy could have made almost $2 million sub-leasing it if it took six months from the beginning of foreclosure proceedings to eviction.

    One of the characters in The Big Short was a deadbeat absentee landlord - actually his dog was the principal on the mortgage. We never actually meet him or his dog, but he's sub-leasing his house to an ex-con-looking tough, who's of course portrayed as a good, interested father. The ex-con is kicked out in the end, but the canine borrower's fate is left to the imagination. It's easy to imagine credit scores don't mean dog chow when you got a cash-money retirement fund socked away in Nassau.

    Scale that scam up to an Upper East Side penthouse here and there and, pretty soon, it starts adding up to serious money.

  73. Travis says:
    @Patrick Harris
    I thought Charlie was just mentally retarded. Or are you referring to him in his super brainy state?

    true, but most autistics are retarded. He could have been a typical retarded autistic man. Before 1990, if a person was retarded and autistic they were called retarded. Today if a person is retarded and autistic they call them autistic. My nephew is called autistic by his parents. But most people of my generation would call him retarded, although his IQ is probably 85. Due to his autism he he is less functional than a person with a 75 IQ.

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  74. @Anonymous
    OT:



    http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/tennis/serena-williams-hits-back-after-john-mcenroe%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98700%e2%80%99-ranked-comment/ar-BBDiDkn?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

    To actually understand the context is to roll one’s eyes even more; McEnroe was actually quite charitable and genteel – he was goaded by the interviewer’s disingenuous “gotcha!” attitude into explaining – again, reasonably and diplomatically – stuff that goes without saying, all so the media could generate a sensationalistic headline about how mean and sexist he is and so Serena Williams could fabricate some imaginary beef with him based upon insults he never made:

    Garcia-Navarro: We’re talking about male players but there is of course wonderful female players. Let’s talk about Serena Williams. You say she is the best female player in the world in the book.

    McEnroe: Best female player ever – no question.

    Garcia-Navarro: Some wouldn’t qualify it, some would say she’s the best player in the world. Why qualify it?

    McEnroe: Oh! Uh…she’s not…you mean, the best player in the world, period?

    Garcia-Navarro: Yeah, the best tennis player in the world. You know, why say female player?

    McEnroe: Well because if she was in – if she played the men’s circuit she’d be like seven hundred in the world.

    Garcia-Navarro: You think so?

    McEnroe: Yeah. That doesn’t mean I don’t think Serena is an incredible player. I do, but the reality of what would happen would be – I think something that – perhaps it’d be a little higher, perhaps it’d be a little lower. And on a given day, Serena could beat some players. I believe because she’s so incredibly strong mentally that she could overcome some situations where players would choke ’cause she’s been in it so many times, so many situations at Wimbledon, the U.S. Open, etc.; but if she had to just play the circuit – the men’s circuit – that would be an entirely different story.

    So you see, John McEnroe is jerk because he is aware of sexual dimorphism.

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    • Agree: Dave Pinsen
    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    So you see, John McEnroe is [a] jerk because he is aware of sexual dimorphism.
     
    Serena Williams is aware of sexual dimorphism, too. The Washington Post story on McEnroe's interview quotes her as saying

    “For me, men’s tennis and women’s tennis are completely, almost, two separate sports,” Williams said. “If I were to play Andy Murray, I would lose 6-0, 6-0 in five to six minutes, maybe 10 minutes. No, it’s true. It’s a completely different sport. The men are a lot faster and they serve harder, they hit harder, it’s just a different game. I love to play women’s tennis. I only want to play girls, because I don’t want to be embarrassed.”
     
    , @Johan Schmidt
    Karsten Braasch. 'nuff said.
    , @EriK
    Thank you for providing context unlike every "take" on the issue I've read by sportswriters.
    , @Anonymous
    McEnroe was perfectly gentlemanly. That his remarks were controversial shows the pathology of the media generally.
  75. @Anonym
    Does the Count of Monte Cristo, err, count?

    Saruman from LOTR, and other wizards?

    Ayn Rand's heroes?

    By these lights intelligent and individualistic people are now autistic the way fat women have become curvy.

    Not one character you list is autistic by any standard involving a remotely serious understanding of the condition.

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    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Anonym
    Yes, it's more of an r/the_donald type view of autist as a highly intelligent individual who is intelligent to the point they find it difficult to communicate with people of average intellect... basically a "sperg", an Aspie in the sense of a "little professor". It has been decades since I have read those books so cut me some slack please.

    You are right though, it is hard to find a classic autistic character there, of severe autism who just sits there completely uncommunicative with the world. They also don't make a compelling character in a novel... which may have something to do with it. My weak examples may help to prove the rule.

    Saruman in particular was interesting in the way he used the orb like a net addict. It is decades since I read LOTR though. I think I get what Steve is groping at and it is an interesting question. I feel like availability of information or AV entertainment may have something to do with autism spectrum prevalence but admittedly haven't delved into the question.
  76. @jb

    This is beginning to sound like a cancer diagnosis.
     
    No no no, you've got it all wrong! It's the white race that is "the cancer of human history".

    Seriously, I've been wondering for years what happens if despite anything anyone says or does, African fertility rates just don't go down. What then?

    The problem is, I don't think the long term success of technological civilization is at all foreordained. Complex system tend to be fragile in unanticipated ways. I think we could easily exhaust our resources and collapse back into barbarism, and then what? Climbing back might be difficult, because there will be no oil or coal to burn for cheap energy, and all the easily accessible minerals will already have been ripped from the ground and scattered all over the landscape. If we blow this first chance we may not get another!

    The long term future of the human race could be the stars, but it could also be a million years of wood, stone, and iron. And black Africa could end up being the determining factor. Excuse me if I see this as a more important issue than which bathrooms sexually confused teenagers are allowed to use!

    Black Africans, left to their own devices, will breed like rabbits and die like flies.

    Whites are dumb enough to solve the latter problem while ignoring the former one. So, yes, the African population explosion is our fault. We created the problem with our technology, our medicine, our agriculture, and our compassion.

    White compassion (and its Siamese twin, white guilt) is our Achilles’ heel. If we lacked compassion and guilt, then we could sit back and let nature take its course.

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    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @TheJester
    But if we sat back and let nature take its course, then the Black African demographic explosion would not be our fault. The Black African demographic implosion would be our fault. Indeed, even the practical problems of integration associated with importing Blacks to Western countries by the millions to alleviate either plight would be our fault. Seems like the moral guilt would be on our backs regardless of what happens.

    Fundamental to the discussion is the assumption that Blacks have no agency or responsibility for the consequences of their behaviors. Just as our southern brethren once described them, they are for their own sake apparently in need of compassion, direction, and care ... and, as the White population of the United States is rediscovering the hard way, that will never change.

    As a test regarding agency, ask yourself whose fault it would be if the West's population was likewise exploding to its Malthusian Limits, introducing a permanent condition of poverty and food insecurity. Africa's fault? Asia's fault? The West's fault?

    Note: As an axiom, a society cannot exceed its Malthusian Limits except with help in the form of extra-societal subsidies ... exactly the kind of subsidies being gifted to Africa at the present time.
  77. @Hapalong Cassidy
    The unspoken assumption we all have is that these numbers left unchecked, whether it's 4 billion or 15 billion, will bring about a new Dark Ages, or even possibly the end of mankind. Regarding the latter, you'd have to assume that nuclear weapons would fall under their control at some point. And would you trust nukes in the hands of people like those responsible for the Rwandan genocide?

    Mr. Derbyshire recently cited a work (I forget the title just now) explaining how the imminent collapse will be permanent, because in order to extract resources necessary for technologically advanced civilisation now requires an extant, technologically advanced civilisation, due to the easy pickings’ aleady having been depleted. A man may no longer obtain coal with a mattock and a shovel; absent a sophisticated infrastructure, fuels, etc., fracking simply is not possible. And so on.

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    • Replies: @backup
    Do you have a link for that?
    , @Anonymous
    It won't be permanent because obviously, mankind went from caveman to the Roman Empire once and went from the Iron Age to modern industry again. So even reduced to a "Foxfire"/American colonial settler like existence we would be able to rebuild eventually.

    It would take a long time and the right circumstances-at least one and maybe several generations would have a seventeenth century frontier like existence. And genetically we have decayed since then-we would have a big die off. We are not nearly as naturally tough immunity-wise, and our women are less birthworthy from a hundred years of obstetrical mischief. But enough would make it, I think.

    Enough would make it to form the nucleus of a new civilization, a new people. Perhaps a strong and beautiful new people. Perhaps a bunch of ugly mutts. I just hope I'm safely dead by then.

    Of course, the whole thing would be avoidable if we had the sense and the balls to do what our descendants will have to have to survive, or even a tenth of that. There is the tragedy.
    , @John Derbyshire, @Kevin C.

    A man may no longer obtain coal with a mattock and a shovel; absent a sophisticated infrastructure, fuels, etc., fracking simply is not possible. And so on.
     
    Indeed, I find myself making this same argument frequently. An Industrial Revolution is a once-per-planet event; we f*** it up, we don't get a do-over. Which is where I depart with the folks who say not to worry about the Left, because they're guaranteed to eventually collapse under their insane denial of reality. Because that's small comfort if said collapse puts us irreversibly into a new Dark Age that ends only when humanity goes extinct; and I figure the probability of the Left's collapse knocking us back into such unending barbarism is near-certain.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    I dunno. You could recycle some resources instead of extracting them. Instead of mining ore, you could melt down and recast steel, for example.

    Maybe fracking would be out of reach but biodiesel might not be.

    And so on.
  78. eD says:
    @Anonymous
    In retrospect it was a great tragedy that one randy male flight attendant spread the AIDS virus to so many homosexual communities so soon. Had it not been for wealthy and influential gays, the development of anti-AIDS drugs would have been delayed until Africa had been much more impacted.

    That sounds cold and cruel, but the coming biobomb that will evolve in Sub Saharan Africa will be even worse. White intelligence and work stopped AIDS and stopped Ebola, but a superbug is coming and we won't be able to stop it even if we wanted to.

    ” Had it not been for wealthy and influential gays, the development of anti-AIDS drugs would have been delayed until Africa had been much more impacted.”

    This is semi-off topic, but was discussed in another iSteve thread just this week.

    The massive heterosexual AIDS epidemic in Africa was almost certainly a hoax. Most African countries don’t or can’t keep reliable statistics to chart HIV spread. During the height of the supposed epidemic, I’m pretty sure there was little HIV testing outside of South Africa in sub-Saharan African. Deaths from the usual round of sub-Saharan African diseases were reported as AIDS deaths. This was done because it was easier to get funding from wealthy people in the West to combat AIDS than to combat the usual round of sub-Saharan African diseases.

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    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Travis
    very true...Malaria was often the real cause of death, but the authorities wanted to get more money for Africa and money to fight the gay disease, thus they lied and deceived the public...just like they are lying about global warming today to get Americans to give billions of dollars to third world nations.
    , @Flip
    "The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS: How a Tragedy Has Been Distorted by the Media and Partisan Politics"
    by Michael Fumento, 1990
    , @Yak-15
    So when statistics indicate that South Africa has a 30 pct AIDS positive rate, they are untrue? Please refer me to evidence.
  79. @Charles Pewitt
    ISOLATE THE SUB-SAHARAN AFRICANS -- EXTRACT AFRICAN RESOURCES

    Leave the gun, take the cannoli:

    https://youtu.be/yHzh0PvMWTI

    The American Empire can come to some understanding with the Russians, Chinese and other global powers to isolate the population of sub-Saharan Africans. The northern portion of the American Empire has already pocketized the sub-Saharan Africans in places like Detroit, Newark and Chicago. This simple concept must be made an informal agreement among the global powers.

    Attention all State Department slobs: I just called Russia and China global powers; Do you bastards have a direct response to that? The idea that the American Empire, alone, has the authority to subject the entirety of the globe to its will -- including the oceans and the upper atmosphere -- is an idea that should be discarded.

    Part of being an American is to be an honorary Englishman, whether you have any English blood or not. Slavery was worse than immoral, it was stupid. There was no thought to the future disposition of the sub-Saharan Africans after slavery had run its course. That is dumb as hell. Just like the current mass immigration invasion underway in the United States is dumb as hell.

    I’ll accept the “honorary Englishman” title, but with the following disclaimer:

    As an American, I disclaim any and/or all responsibility for any and/or all debts and/or obligations (moral and/or otherwise) incurred by Englishmen anywhere and/or everywhere.

    In other words, don’t blame me for English colonialism, or the Irish potato famine, and/or any other action that might be blamed on the great mass of Englishmen. And don’t expect me to do anything for anyone but myself, on my own terms, in my own way.

    I’m an ardent isolationist. I owe nothing to no one.

    Now, where do I apply for my free English welfare goodies? After all, it is my human right to sponge off of the English taxpayer while contributing nothing in return, isn’t it?

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  80. eD says:
    @guest
    Depends on how wide a spectrum you're using. Because if we're using internet comment section standards, then it could apply to almost any literary character this side of Harry Flashman. Wikipedia is probably sticking closer to characters authors have admitted were autistic.

    If people hunt for autistes like they hunt for crypto-gays, they'll find them everywhere. Here are candidates off the top of my head:

    Sherlock Holmes
    Boo Radley, To Kill a Mockingbird
    Lenny, Of Mice and Men
    Mr. Darcy, Pride and Prejudice
    That one that made me quit reading The Sound and the Fury; Benjy?
    Bartelby, Bartelby the Scrivener
    Stevie, the Secret Agent
    Charlie, Flowers for Algernon

    Really off topic, but the main character in the play and movie “Harvey”, played by Jimmy Stewart in the movie, would be considered to be on the spectrum today.

    The entire plot of “Harvey”, by the way, consists of the efforts of the main character’s family to get him committed to the local mental hospital, which the chief psychiatrist refuses to do on the grounds that he is not crazy.

    High functioning autistics, of which Mr. Darcy may be an example, semi-functioning types such as the Jimmy Stewart character, and dis-functional types such as the character Dustin Hoffman played in “Rain Man”are now all lumped together as being on the spectrum. There is probably now over diagnosis going on with the high functioning types. American society has simply gotten more conformist and behavior in the past that was seen, and tolerated, just as eccentric is now increasingly viewed as a psychological problem. Also, American society has developed in autistic-unfriendly ways, in addition to being more conformist, its more tribal, less straightforward, and just dumbed down compared to the past (and yes immigration from more tribal, less straightforward, and lower IQ countries hasn’t helped).

    Sherlock Holmes may not be on the spectrum but there is a really strong case for his brother Mycroft. There is a standing joke in the Sherlock Holmes stories that Sherlock is the dumber but socially better adapted of the two brothers.

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  81. fish says:
    @Tiny Duck
    More Black people=better planet

    They built America, create the best music and food and are more people oriented

    Read verysmartbrothss blog to get a taste of how things would be

    Hey… knock a self a pro, Slick! That gray matter backlot perform us DOWN, I take TCB-in’, man!

    - Leonard Pitts

    All people of color agree……!

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  82. Njguy73 says:
    @Anonymous
    I now dispose of unwanted clothing by the burn barrel, since most donations to Sally Ann and the like are resold for profit to African or Latin American vendors who charge just under the price of new clothes, making it uneconomic for the local women to knit and weave. The US should erect nontariff barriers to the trade to stop it.

    So no one in Zambia will know that the Falcons won the Super Bowl.

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  83. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. My question was: When do fictional characters who would today be considered on the autistic spectrum first show up in literature, movies, or plays? Are there any such characters in Shakespeare or Dickens?

    The Wikipedia page on the topic lists only 3 such before Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man in 1988.

    Maybe Hymie the Robot in Get Smart in the mid-1960s?

    David Brin has autistic characters in his sci-fi novel Existence.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Oh, there was also a child character in network TV drama called Parenthood who had Asperger's.
  84. @Roger
    You keep posting these charts, but 97% of the world's smart people say that the big problem of the 21st century is that global warming is going to raise sea level by 2-3 feet.

    I think your tone is meant to be sarcastic; the “…97% of the world’s smart people say…” clearly implies that.

    Would that rising sea levels were the only consequence of global warming! Because the excess carbon has to go somewhere, much of it is going into the oceans as carbonic acid. This makes the oceans more acidic, and more difficult (among other things) for sea organisms to form shells. See:

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rising-acidity-in-the-ocean/

    What is your personal experience? Do insects prefer warm temperatures to cold ones? Do fungi prefer warm temperatures to cold ones? Those (like Svante Arrhenius and, apparently, Anatoly Karlin) who see warmer temperatures as a certain boon to agriculture might well be mistaken. Just apply more pesticides? I am a beekeeper; honeybees and other pollinators are in serious jeopardy now, largely as a result of neonicotinoid pesticides now widely in use in the US (though now banned in Europe).

    Climate models by professional climatologists [insert laugh track here if so inclined] predict more storms, and more serious storms, in the future. This will negatively impact agriculture.

    If you have spent a summer in a large American inner city, you know that long periods of hot weather stress the human organism and make people irritable, resulting in more social friction. I don’t think many of the 5 billion future Africans will have air conditioners. I swear by the Prophet Malthus that there will be more violence in a hotter Africa and world. This will have the benefit of reducing population (the hard way, which is probably the only way the trick can be turned). Perhaps we should ensure that all Africans have access to cheap and reliable firearms and ammunition.

    People on these alt-right or alt-light or conservative websites seem to “think” that because the libtards and globalists believe in global warming, it must be false. Is that sound reasoning?

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    • Agree: Kyle McKenna
    • Replies: @eD
    What is hilarious about this is that global warming is more or less a direct effect of overpopulation.

    But its become a key part of right wing IDpol in English speaking countries to hold that global warming is a hoax, and to a lesser extent part of left wing IDpol to not be interested in curbing overpopulation. I'm not holding my breath waiting for either to be addressed except by nature.
    , @Federalist

    Do insects prefer warm temperatures to cold ones? Do fungi prefer warm temperatures to cold ones?
     
    People do.
    , @Coemgen
    Um, well, where does the CO2 come from? Did it come from "fossil fuels" extracted from the earth? If so, where was the carbon in the fossil fuels before it was in the organisms that the fuels are composed of? Was it in the form of gaseous CO2 in the atmosphere? Aren't these obvious questions?
    , @bomag

    People on these alt-right or alt-light or conservative websites seem to “think” that because the libtards and globalists believe in global warming, it must be false. Is that sound reasoning?
     
    I'm sure their policies will exacerbate global warming, i.e., YT has overheated the planet and discomfited Africans; thus Africans must be moved to first world countries and subsidized in a high energy consumption lifestyle.
    , @Bill Jones
    "People on these alt-right or alt-light or conservative websites seem to “think” that because the libtards and globalists believe in global warming, it must be false. Is that sound reasoning?"
    Yes, they've been wrong and deceictful about everything else.

    Plus, we are aware of this.

    ‘Global warming’ is not about the science – UN Admits: ‘Climate change policy is about how we redistribute the world’s wealth’

    http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/05/24/global-warming-is-not-about-the-science-un-admits-climate-change-policy-is-about-how-we-redistribute-the-worlds-wealth/
  85. Travis says:
    @eD
    " Had it not been for wealthy and influential gays, the development of anti-AIDS drugs would have been delayed until Africa had been much more impacted."

    This is semi-off topic, but was discussed in another iSteve thread just this week.

    The massive heterosexual AIDS epidemic in Africa was almost certainly a hoax. Most African countries don't or can't keep reliable statistics to chart HIV spread. During the height of the supposed epidemic, I'm pretty sure there was little HIV testing outside of South Africa in sub-Saharan African. Deaths from the usual round of sub-Saharan African diseases were reported as AIDS deaths. This was done because it was easier to get funding from wealthy people in the West to combat AIDS than to combat the usual round of sub-Saharan African diseases.

    very true…Malaria was often the real cause of death, but the authorities wanted to get more money for Africa and money to fight the gay disease, thus they lied and deceived the public…just like they are lying about global warming today to get Americans to give billions of dollars to third world nations.

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  86. FPD72 says:
    @Federalist
    Personally, I would like the USAF to use B-52's to carpet bomb Africa with contraceptives. But it's ridiculous to blame the religious right for everything. Do Africans consult James Dobson before they screw? Africa is filled with the most backward, dysfunctional people on Earth. No matter what anyone says, they are going to do what they do. I certainly wouldn't give so-called conservatives any credit for even thinking about this issue much less doing anything about it. But it's the Left that wants to invite all of these "refugee" to overwhelm the U.S. and Europe.

    It would be good if they did consult James Dobson before screwing, since he would tell them not to unless married (and only one wife per man) and that it is perfectly fine for them to use contraception.

    What is the source of this belief that evangelicals are for the most part against contraception? Yes, a relative handful are, but they are a fringe minority.

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    • Replies: @Federalist
    The Catholic Church is opposed to contraceptives and is famously opposed to abortion. Evangelicals are also almost always opposed to abortion. So maybe there is an assumption that any kind of conservative Christian is opposed to contraceptives.
  87. @Autochthon
    To actually understand the context is to roll one's eyes even more; McEnroe was actually quite charitable and genteel – he was goaded by the interviewer's disingenuous "gotcha!" attitude into explaining – again, reasonably and diplomatically – stuff that goes without saying, all so the media could generate a sensationalistic headline about how mean and sexist he is and so Serena Williams could fabricate some imaginary beef with him based upon insults he never made:

    Garcia-Navarro: We're talking about male players but there is of course wonderful female players. Let's talk about Serena Williams. You say she is the best female player in the world in the book.

    McEnroe: Best female player ever - no question.

    Garcia-Navarro: Some wouldn't qualify it, some would say she's the best player in the world. Why qualify it?

    McEnroe: Oh! Uh...she's not...you mean, the best player in the world, period?

    Garcia-Navarro: Yeah, the best tennis player in the world. You know, why say female player?

    McEnroe: Well because if she was in – if she played the men's circuit she'd be like seven hundred in the world.

    Garcia-Navarro: You think so?

    McEnroe: Yeah. That doesn't mean I don't think Serena is an incredible player. I do, but the reality of what would happen would be – I think something that – perhaps it'd be a little higher, perhaps it'd be a little lower. And on a given day, Serena could beat some players. I believe because she's so incredibly strong mentally that she could overcome some situations where players would choke 'cause she's been in it so many times, so many situations at Wimbledon, the U.S. Open, etc.; but if she had to just play the circuit – the men's circuit – that would be an entirely different story.
     

    So you see, John McEnroe is jerk because he is aware of sexual dimorphism.

    So you see, John McEnroe is [a] jerk because he is aware of sexual dimorphism.

    Serena Williams is aware of sexual dimorphism, too. The Washington Post story on McEnroe’s interview quotes her as saying

    “For me, men’s tennis and women’s tennis are completely, almost, two separate sports,” Williams said. “If I were to play Andy Murray, I would lose 6-0, 6-0 in five to six minutes, maybe 10 minutes. No, it’s true. It’s a completely different sport. The men are a lot faster and they serve harder, they hit harder, it’s just a different game. I love to play women’s tennis. I only want to play girls, because I don’t want to be embarrassed.”

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  88. Flip says:
    @eD
    " Had it not been for wealthy and influential gays, the development of anti-AIDS drugs would have been delayed until Africa had been much more impacted."

    This is semi-off topic, but was discussed in another iSteve thread just this week.

    The massive heterosexual AIDS epidemic in Africa was almost certainly a hoax. Most African countries don't or can't keep reliable statistics to chart HIV spread. During the height of the supposed epidemic, I'm pretty sure there was little HIV testing outside of South Africa in sub-Saharan African. Deaths from the usual round of sub-Saharan African diseases were reported as AIDS deaths. This was done because it was easier to get funding from wealthy people in the West to combat AIDS than to combat the usual round of sub-Saharan African diseases.

    “The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS: How a Tragedy Has Been Distorted by the Media and Partisan Politics”
    by Michael Fumento, 1990

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  89. eD says:
    @Eustace Tilley (not)
    I think your tone is meant to be sarcastic; the "...97% of the world's smart people say..." clearly implies that.

    Would that rising sea levels were the only consequence of global warming! Because the excess carbon has to go somewhere, much of it is going into the oceans as carbonic acid. This makes the oceans more acidic, and more difficult (among other things) for sea organisms to form shells. See:
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rising-acidity-in-the-ocean/

    What is your personal experience? Do insects prefer warm temperatures to cold ones? Do fungi prefer warm temperatures to cold ones? Those (like Svante Arrhenius and, apparently, Anatoly Karlin) who see warmer temperatures as a certain boon to agriculture might well be mistaken. Just apply more pesticides? I am a beekeeper; honeybees and other pollinators are in serious jeopardy now, largely as a result of neonicotinoid pesticides now widely in use in the US (though now banned in Europe).

    Climate models by professional climatologists [insert laugh track here if so inclined] predict more storms, and more serious storms, in the future. This will negatively impact agriculture.

    If you have spent a summer in a large American inner city, you know that long periods of hot weather stress the human organism and make people irritable, resulting in more social friction. I don't think many of the 5 billion future Africans will have air conditioners. I swear by the Prophet Malthus that there will be more violence in a hotter Africa and world. This will have the benefit of reducing population (the hard way, which is probably the only way the trick can be turned). Perhaps we should ensure that all Africans have access to cheap and reliable firearms and ammunition.

    People on these alt-right or alt-light or conservative websites seem to "think" that because the libtards and globalists believe in global warming, it must be false. Is that sound reasoning?

    What is hilarious about this is that global warming is more or less a direct effect of overpopulation.

    But its become a key part of right wing IDpol in English speaking countries to hold that global warming is a hoax, and to a lesser extent part of left wing IDpol to not be interested in curbing overpopulation. I’m not holding my breath waiting for either to be addressed except by nature.

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  90. syonredux says:
    @guest
    Depends on how wide a spectrum you're using. Because if we're using internet comment section standards, then it could apply to almost any literary character this side of Harry Flashman. Wikipedia is probably sticking closer to characters authors have admitted were autistic.

    If people hunt for autistes like they hunt for crypto-gays, they'll find them everywhere. Here are candidates off the top of my head:

    Sherlock Holmes
    Boo Radley, To Kill a Mockingbird
    Lenny, Of Mice and Men
    Mr. Darcy, Pride and Prejudice
    That one that made me quit reading The Sound and the Fury; Benjy?
    Bartelby, Bartelby the Scrivener
    Stevie, the Secret Agent
    Charlie, Flowers for Algernon

    Sherlock Holmes

    Holmes autistic?Seeing as how a major factor in Holmes’ success as a detective was his ability to understand human emotions, I think that we can rule that one out.

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    "Seeing as how a major factor in Holmes' success as a detective was his ability to understand human emotions"

    I agree, but autism-hunters don't need much to go on, and won't give up the game because of mere contradictory evidence. I suppose the idea would be that Holmes has synthesized knowledge of regular human behavior by observation, rather than pulling it from inside himself. Which I guess would make him the greatest scientific psychologist ever.

    Holmes only has one friend, is a bachelor, doesn't like to socialize, and is described as being eccentric. Maybe he self-medicates with cocaine. He has total recall, hyperawareness, and many other extraordinary, savantish mental gifts.

    Not that I believe any of this. I'm just joining in the make-believe.

  91. syonredux says:
    @EvolutionistX
    Possibilities based on quick Googling:
    Boo Radley, to Kill a Mockingbird
    Caliban, Shakespeare's Tempest
    Sherlock Holmes
    Mr. Darcy, from Pride and Prejudice
    Tommy Walker From the 1970’s rock musical and movie Tommy (Actor: Roger Daltrey)
    Lili von Shtupp, Blazing Saddles
    Holden Caulfield, Catcher in the Rye
    Movies produced by Val Lewton, eg Irena Dubrovna from The Cat People, 1942; Amy from The Curse of the Cat People, 1944; Finn the Mute from The Ghost Ship, 1943.
    The children in Village of the Damned, 1960
    The Addams Family
    Vera Rostov, War and Peace
    Confessions of a Crap Artist, by Philip K. Dick
    All "mad scientists"
    Frankenstein's monster?
    I'm sure folks like Isaac Newton have been characters in novels at some point--I think he shows up in Shaw's In Good King Charles's Golden Days.

    But if autists didn't stand out as much in the past, they wouldn't stand out as much in old books, either.

    Sherlock Holmes

    Holmes autistic?Seeing as how a major factor in Holmes’ success as a detective was his ability to understand human emotions, I think that we can rule that one out.

    Caliban, Shakespeare’s Tempest

    Caliban was bestial, not autistic.

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    >Holmes autistic? Seeing as how a major factor in Holmes’ success as a detective was his ability to understand human emotions, I think that we can rule that one out.

    Fiction doesn't have to be accurate. Women get depicted kicking male butts all the time in fiction. It's not realistic, but the characters are still supposed to be women. Holmes could still have been intentionally modeled on autistic traits.

    I agree the Tempest seemed a stretch.
  92. non Subsaharan Africans need to put their differences aside. They needs to be a Indo-Chinese-European-American-Arab project with the aim to contain the subsaharan African population explosion.

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    What we really need is an alliance to closedown The Economist magazine, the WSJ, Brian Caplan, the neocons, and all of the rest of the harpy open-borders brood.
    , @Autochthon
    I am offended on behalf of the Mestizoids, Negritos, and Australia's aborigines for your implied neglect and exclusion of the valuable contributions they could doubtless bring to any such effort!
    , @silviosilver

    non Subsaharan Africans need to put their differences aside. They needs to be a Indo-Chinese-European-American-Arab project with the aim to contain the subsaharan African population explosion.
     
    Thank you. I couldn't agree more. At the very least I want to see this happen within western countries, although I'd prefer to see it happen globally.

    Some members of this disparate grouping are more reasonable, others less so, but there's always at least some degree of hope that we could negotiate some sort of mutually acceptable arrangement. Trying to negotiate with blacks is like trying to negotiate with a five-year-old in the middle of a tantrum.

    It won't happen any time soon, because there's still far too many of the rest of us compared to Africans, but as they catch up and, potentially, become the earth's majority race, I'm sure we'll see fast growing interest in this idea of a non-black coalition.

    Plus, at the end of the day, the cold hard reality is that no race on earth really wants to be negrified, so the desire to avoid that dread fate is always a factor you can count on.

    , @Kevin C.

    non Subsaharan Africans need to put their differences aside. They needs to be a Indo-Chinese-European-American-Arab project with the aim to contain the subsaharan African population explosion.
     
    Except this will never, ever, ever happen. Because your "Indo-Chinese-Arab" parts will always, always be more likely to align with the Subsaharans against the "European-American" parts, because the KKKrazy Glue of hating Whitey is just too strong a pull to resist, and will simply never stop until the day they've finally rendered us extinct. And I have yet to see anyone put forth a plan that has a reasonable chance of actually stopping us from being whiped forever from this earth.

    Remember, extinction is forever.
  93. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    I think your tone is meant to be sarcastic; the "...97% of the world's smart people say..." clearly implies that.

    Would that rising sea levels were the only consequence of global warming! Because the excess carbon has to go somewhere, much of it is going into the oceans as carbonic acid. This makes the oceans more acidic, and more difficult (among other things) for sea organisms to form shells. See:
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rising-acidity-in-the-ocean/

    What is your personal experience? Do insects prefer warm temperatures to cold ones? Do fungi prefer warm temperatures to cold ones? Those (like Svante Arrhenius and, apparently, Anatoly Karlin) who see warmer temperatures as a certain boon to agriculture might well be mistaken. Just apply more pesticides? I am a beekeeper; honeybees and other pollinators are in serious jeopardy now, largely as a result of neonicotinoid pesticides now widely in use in the US (though now banned in Europe).

    Climate models by professional climatologists [insert laugh track here if so inclined] predict more storms, and more serious storms, in the future. This will negatively impact agriculture.

    If you have spent a summer in a large American inner city, you know that long periods of hot weather stress the human organism and make people irritable, resulting in more social friction. I don't think many of the 5 billion future Africans will have air conditioners. I swear by the Prophet Malthus that there will be more violence in a hotter Africa and world. This will have the benefit of reducing population (the hard way, which is probably the only way the trick can be turned). Perhaps we should ensure that all Africans have access to cheap and reliable firearms and ammunition.

    People on these alt-right or alt-light or conservative websites seem to "think" that because the libtards and globalists believe in global warming, it must be false. Is that sound reasoning?

    Do insects prefer warm temperatures to cold ones? Do fungi prefer warm temperatures to cold ones?

    People do.

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  94. Steve, stop trying to scare me. We already have 40 million here. Who knows how many are in Brazil, Central America and the Caribbean?
    I can’t imagine what kind of a scheisse storm will hit Europe and the USS of A if only 1 percent are allowed to leave Africa.
    Our leaders should pass a law not allowing any in but of course our rulers will complain that GDP will suffer.

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  95. @Autochthon
    To actually understand the context is to roll one's eyes even more; McEnroe was actually quite charitable and genteel – he was goaded by the interviewer's disingenuous "gotcha!" attitude into explaining – again, reasonably and diplomatically – stuff that goes without saying, all so the media could generate a sensationalistic headline about how mean and sexist he is and so Serena Williams could fabricate some imaginary beef with him based upon insults he never made:

    Garcia-Navarro: We're talking about male players but there is of course wonderful female players. Let's talk about Serena Williams. You say she is the best female player in the world in the book.

    McEnroe: Best female player ever - no question.

    Garcia-Navarro: Some wouldn't qualify it, some would say she's the best player in the world. Why qualify it?

    McEnroe: Oh! Uh...she's not...you mean, the best player in the world, period?

    Garcia-Navarro: Yeah, the best tennis player in the world. You know, why say female player?

    McEnroe: Well because if she was in – if she played the men's circuit she'd be like seven hundred in the world.

    Garcia-Navarro: You think so?

    McEnroe: Yeah. That doesn't mean I don't think Serena is an incredible player. I do, but the reality of what would happen would be – I think something that – perhaps it'd be a little higher, perhaps it'd be a little lower. And on a given day, Serena could beat some players. I believe because she's so incredibly strong mentally that she could overcome some situations where players would choke 'cause she's been in it so many times, so many situations at Wimbledon, the U.S. Open, etc.; but if she had to just play the circuit – the men's circuit – that would be an entirely different story.
     

    So you see, John McEnroe is jerk because he is aware of sexual dimorphism.

    Karsten Braasch. ’nuff said.

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  96. Anonym says:
    @Autochthon
    By these lights intelligent and individualistic people are now autistic the way fat women have become curvy.

    Not one character you list is autistic by any standard involving a remotely serious understanding of the condition.

    Yes, it’s more of an r/the_donald type view of autist as a highly intelligent individual who is intelligent to the point they find it difficult to communicate with people of average intellect… basically a “sperg”, an Aspie in the sense of a “little professor”. It has been decades since I have read those books so cut me some slack please.

    You are right though, it is hard to find a classic autistic character there, of severe autism who just sits there completely uncommunicative with the world. They also don’t make a compelling character in a novel… which may have something to do with it. My weak examples may help to prove the rule.

    Saruman in particular was interesting in the way he used the orb like a net addict. It is decades since I read LOTR though. I think I get what Steve is groping at and it is an interesting question. I feel like availability of information or AV entertainment may have something to do with autism spectrum prevalence but admittedly haven’t delved into the question.

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    Your concessions are noted and I duly grant those forebearances asked.
    Saruman in particular is anything but autistic, especially with regard to his ability communicating; indeed he is famously charming and persuasive; Gandalf warns against this power and Saruman demonstrates it repearedly:

    "Saruman has powers you do not guess. Beware of his voice!" ...

    Suddenly another voice spoke, low and melodious, its very sound an enchantment. Those who listened unwearily to that voice could seldom report the words that they had heard; and if they did, they wondered, for little power remained in them. Mostly they remembered only that it was a delight to hear the voice speaking, all that it said seemed wise and reasonable, and desire awoke in them by swift agreement to seem wise themselves. When others spoke, they seemed harsh and uncouth by contrast; and if they gainsaid the voice, anger was kindled in the hearts of those under the spell....

    "But my Lord of Rohan, am I to be called a murderer, because valiant men have fallen in battle? If you go to war, needlessly, for I did not desire it, then men will be slain...."

    Saruman paused. 'Unsay?' he mused, as if puzzled. 'Unsay? I endeavoured to advise you for your own good, but you scarcely listened. You are proud and do not love advice, having indeed a store of your own wisdom. But on that occasion you erred, I think, misconstruing my intentions wilfully. I fear that in my eagerness to persuade you, I lost patience. And indeed I regret. For I bore you no ill-will; and even now I bear none, though you return to me in company of the violent and the ignorant. How should I? Are we not both members of a high and ancient order, most excellent in Middle-Earth? Our friendship would profit us both alike. Much we could still accomplish together, to heal the disorders of the world. Let us understand one another, and dismiss from thought these lesser folk! ... Will you not come up?

    — Excerpts from "The Voice of Saruman," The Two Towers
     

    Tolkien later explained:

    Saruman's voice was not hypnotic but persuasive. Those who listened to him were not in danger of falling into a trance, but of agreeing with his arguments, while fully awake. It was always open to one to reject, by free will and reason, both his voice while speaking and its after-impressions. Saruman corrupted the reasoning powers.
     
    Saruman's use of the palantir (of Numenorean origin and not an inherently evil device, but dangerous only because a communicative device, an opposite number being in Sauron's control) represents Saruman's pride and overconfident dismissal of dangers (tellingly, Gandalf was terrified of Sauron; whereas Saruman seems to have at some point foolishly decided he was more powerful than, or at least equal to, Sauron...).

    I don't have much interesting to say about Edmond Dantès, John Galt, Dagny Taggart, Howard Roark, et al.; they none of them exhibited any remotely autistic traits I can recall. They are independent and brilliant, which you fairly concede ignorant persons have apparently (and incorrectly) come to think evinces autism. Indeed, the confidence and deep understanding of human nature (especially Dantès, who uses his understanding of human nature to facilitate his elaborate machinations to avenge himself on his despicable enemies via some very long cons) are again exactly the opposite of autism. The autistic are hardly famed for inventive initiative and an abiding understanding of others' motivations and emotions.

    I may make some other observations about characters who may actually evince autism (or what later came to be called autism) in Steve's new thread about the topic.

  97. Olorin says:
    @Lugash
    Maybe our intelligence agencies can take some time off from blowing up the Mid East and promote family planning in the third world? I think they did that in the 50s and 60s.

    I thought the GOP had determined for all time that “family planning” was eugenic and bad and against the will of God and such?

    I seem to recall many political campaigns thusly platformed in the 1980s to 2000s.

    Now the Dems are saying the same thing. Except more Hitler. You can never have enough Hitler, ya know.

    Damn you, white Protestants, for taking all the juicy fun out of sex and applying ARITHMETIC and FUTURE THINKING to it!!!

    In Judaism we had the thrilling embrace of degeneracy as a weapon against your “frigidness.”

    In Catholicism we had the snuff porn joy of HELL for fornicators and such (easily forgiven among our own ranks via whispers and beads)!

    What’s left but letting Muzzies in Africa and elsewhere breed you irritating science and math minded Teuts und Celts into submission, and calling it Higher Morals!???

    While New Protestants aim to transubstantiate melanin into civilization.

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  98. @FPD72
    It would be good if they did consult James Dobson before screwing, since he would tell them not to unless married (and only one wife per man) and that it is perfectly fine for them to use contraception.

    What is the source of this belief that evangelicals are for the most part against contraception? Yes, a relative handful are, but they are a fringe minority.

    The Catholic Church is opposed to contraceptives and is famously opposed to abortion. Evangelicals are also almost always opposed to abortion. So maybe there is an assumption that any kind of conservative Christian is opposed to contraceptives.

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  99. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Erik Sieven
    non Subsaharan Africans need to put their differences aside. They needs to be a Indo-Chinese-European-American-Arab project with the aim to contain the subsaharan African population explosion.

    What we really need is an alliance to closedown The Economist magazine, the WSJ, Brian Caplan, the neocons, and all of the rest of the harpy open-borders brood.

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  100. Doug says:

    Doesn’t this suggest that genetic engineering is probably the most important problem to be focusing on right now. 15 billion Sub-Saharrans probably isn’t so bad, if CRISPR can give them all Korean level IQs.

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    even if such technology existed today it is unlikely to be used by Africans. It would require nations to force them to use birth control and go to a fertility clinic to get in-vitro procedures to implant the genetically altered embryos. Even if genetically altered sperm was available for free, illiterate Africans would not use it, unless forced to. How would we pay for a billion Africans to get such therapies ?

    Neither will most African Americans bother using genetic engineering to have smarter babies., although they might use the technology to create better basketball players. i imagine even most white Americans would rather have a son who could pitch like Nolan Ryan and hit like Ted Williams than a brainiac like Einstein.
    , @Autochthon
    Everyone cannot be an Alpha. In such a woebegone world as you suggest, the misery of those consigned to drudgery would be horrific, and the wars waged among such people for the planet's nevertheless finite resources are unimaginable.
    , @AM

    15 billion Sub-Saharrans probably isn’t so bad, if CRISPR can give them all Korean level IQs.
     
    Oh, there would be consequences to that we probably couldn't anticipate right now. High IQ is not without it's problems.
  101. @FPD72
    I keep reading this assertion that the religious right rejects contraception. What do commentators mean by "religious right" and "population control?" Usually, evangelicals and contraception I think. Yet very few evangelical leaders are against contraception. Such leaders as Dobson, Piper, Moher, and MacArthur support contraceptive use. Movements within the evangelical community that oppose contraception are relatively small. I can't think of any major leaders (no, Mary Pride is not a major leader) who oppose the use of contraception. There is a "full quiver" movement that opposes contraception but it is generally viewed as a fringe movement.

    Yes, evangelicals in large part reject abortion as the taking of innocent life. But abortion is not a contraceptive method, since it takes place AFTER conception.

    Tell that to SSA’s 171 million Roman Catholics.

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  102. backup says:
    @Autochthon
    Mr. Derbyshire recently cited a work (I forget the title just now) explaining how the imminent collapse will be permanent, because in order to extract resources necessary for technologically advanced civilisation now requires an extant, technologically advanced civilisation, due to the easy pickings' aleady having been depleted. A man may no longer obtain coal with a mattock and a shovel; absent a sophisticated infrastructure, fuels, etc., fracking simply is not possible. And so on.

    Do you have a link for that?

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  103. Coemgen says:
    @Eustace Tilley (not)
    I think your tone is meant to be sarcastic; the "...97% of the world's smart people say..." clearly implies that.

    Would that rising sea levels were the only consequence of global warming! Because the excess carbon has to go somewhere, much of it is going into the oceans as carbonic acid. This makes the oceans more acidic, and more difficult (among other things) for sea organisms to form shells. See:
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rising-acidity-in-the-ocean/

    What is your personal experience? Do insects prefer warm temperatures to cold ones? Do fungi prefer warm temperatures to cold ones? Those (like Svante Arrhenius and, apparently, Anatoly Karlin) who see warmer temperatures as a certain boon to agriculture might well be mistaken. Just apply more pesticides? I am a beekeeper; honeybees and other pollinators are in serious jeopardy now, largely as a result of neonicotinoid pesticides now widely in use in the US (though now banned in Europe).

    Climate models by professional climatologists [insert laugh track here if so inclined] predict more storms, and more serious storms, in the future. This will negatively impact agriculture.

    If you have spent a summer in a large American inner city, you know that long periods of hot weather stress the human organism and make people irritable, resulting in more social friction. I don't think many of the 5 billion future Africans will have air conditioners. I swear by the Prophet Malthus that there will be more violence in a hotter Africa and world. This will have the benefit of reducing population (the hard way, which is probably the only way the trick can be turned). Perhaps we should ensure that all Africans have access to cheap and reliable firearms and ammunition.

    People on these alt-right or alt-light or conservative websites seem to "think" that because the libtards and globalists believe in global warming, it must be false. Is that sound reasoning?

    Um, well, where does the CO2 come from? Did it come from “fossil fuels” extracted from the earth? If so, where was the carbon in the fossil fuels before it was in the organisms that the fuels are composed of? Was it in the form of gaseous CO2 in the atmosphere? Aren’t these obvious questions?

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    where was the carbon in the fossil fuels before it was in the organisms that the fuels are composed of? Was it in the form of gaseous CO2 in the atmosphere?
     
    Indeed it was. Over the last billion years a lot of atmospheric CO2 has been sequestered in fossil matter that was previously in the atmosphere.

    This has reduced over that long timescale what was previously a very significant greenhouse effect on the Earth. Fortunately, it has coincided with the Sun becoming around 10% more luminous in that time period, and the two effects have more-or-less cancelled each other.
  104. @FPD72
    I keep reading this assertion that the religious right rejects contraception. What do commentators mean by "religious right" and "population control?" Usually, evangelicals and contraception I think. Yet very few evangelical leaders are against contraception. Such leaders as Dobson, Piper, Moher, and MacArthur support contraceptive use. Movements within the evangelical community that oppose contraception are relatively small. I can't think of any major leaders (no, Mary Pride is not a major leader) who oppose the use of contraception. There is a "full quiver" movement that opposes contraception but it is generally viewed as a fringe movement.

    Yes, evangelicals in large part reject abortion as the taking of innocent life. But abortion is not a contraceptive method, since it takes place AFTER conception.

    Also, YES, pro-lifers are partially to blame for this time-bomb. As James Porrazzo of #NLM has observed, Africa should have an abortion clinic on every corner. Hell, Western concerns should be paying African women to have abortions.

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    Also, YES, pro-lifers are partially to blame for this time-bomb. As James Porrazzo of #NLM has observed, Africa should have an abortion clinic on every corner. Hell, Western concerns should be paying African women to have abortions.
     
    We all but do that in the US and sell the baby parts. You can't say we aren't efficient and market driven. USA! USA!

    If people actually listened to how Catholicism says live your life (rather than get their theological info from a Monty Python skit), we wouldn't have this time-bomb. All contraception does in Africa is encourage promiscuity. Catholicism says plan your families, only as many children as you can be responsible for and you will be judged.

    It is odd how Africans are not white secularized Protestant liberals, but that hasn't stopped us in trying those solutions for decades.
  105. Travis says:
    @Doug
    Doesn't this suggest that genetic engineering is probably the most important problem to be focusing on right now. 15 billion Sub-Saharrans probably isn't so bad, if CRISPR can give them all Korean level IQs.

    even if such technology existed today it is unlikely to be used by Africans. It would require nations to force them to use birth control and go to a fertility clinic to get in-vitro procedures to implant the genetically altered embryos. Even if genetically altered sperm was available for free, illiterate Africans would not use it, unless forced to. How would we pay for a billion Africans to get such therapies ?

    Neither will most African Americans bother using genetic engineering to have smarter babies., although they might use the technology to create better basketball players. i imagine even most white Americans would rather have a son who could pitch like Nolan Ryan and hit like Ted Williams than a brainiac like Einstein.

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  106. bomag says:
    @Eustace Tilley (not)
    I think your tone is meant to be sarcastic; the "...97% of the world's smart people say..." clearly implies that.

    Would that rising sea levels were the only consequence of global warming! Because the excess carbon has to go somewhere, much of it is going into the oceans as carbonic acid. This makes the oceans more acidic, and more difficult (among other things) for sea organisms to form shells. See:
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rising-acidity-in-the-ocean/

    What is your personal experience? Do insects prefer warm temperatures to cold ones? Do fungi prefer warm temperatures to cold ones? Those (like Svante Arrhenius and, apparently, Anatoly Karlin) who see warmer temperatures as a certain boon to agriculture might well be mistaken. Just apply more pesticides? I am a beekeeper; honeybees and other pollinators are in serious jeopardy now, largely as a result of neonicotinoid pesticides now widely in use in the US (though now banned in Europe).

    Climate models by professional climatologists [insert laugh track here if so inclined] predict more storms, and more serious storms, in the future. This will negatively impact agriculture.

    If you have spent a summer in a large American inner city, you know that long periods of hot weather stress the human organism and make people irritable, resulting in more social friction. I don't think many of the 5 billion future Africans will have air conditioners. I swear by the Prophet Malthus that there will be more violence in a hotter Africa and world. This will have the benefit of reducing population (the hard way, which is probably the only way the trick can be turned). Perhaps we should ensure that all Africans have access to cheap and reliable firearms and ammunition.

    People on these alt-right or alt-light or conservative websites seem to "think" that because the libtards and globalists believe in global warming, it must be false. Is that sound reasoning?

    People on these alt-right or alt-light or conservative websites seem to “think” that because the libtards and globalists believe in global warming, it must be false. Is that sound reasoning?

    I’m sure their policies will exacerbate global warming, i.e., YT has overheated the planet and discomfited Africans; thus Africans must be moved to first world countries and subsidized in a high energy consumption lifestyle.

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  107. George says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. My question was: When do fictional characters who would today be considered on the autistic spectrum first show up in literature, movies, or plays? Are there any such characters in Shakespeare or Dickens?

    The Wikipedia page on the topic lists only 3 such before Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man in 1988.

    Maybe Hymie the Robot in Get Smart in the mid-1960s?

    Maybe not exactly what you want but maybe Moses? Moses, Pharaoh’s policy wonk, complains to god about his inability to communicate, so god pairs him up with Aaron, who does all the talking. Moses also has trouble meeting chicks, so they have to invite him.

    Moses wife, who might have been Ethiopian (Cushite).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipporah

    Probably a bunch of Saints.

    Emperor Claudius?

    Back in time fools and knaves might have been what today is called autistic.

    http://www.shakespeareances.com/dialogues/commentary/Mental_Illness-140708.html

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  108. guest says:
    @syonredux

    Sherlock Holmes
     
    Holmes autistic?Seeing as how a major factor in Holmes' success as a detective was his ability to understand human emotions, I think that we can rule that one out.

    “Seeing as how a major factor in Holmes’ success as a detective was his ability to understand human emotions”

    I agree, but autism-hunters don’t need much to go on, and won’t give up the game because of mere contradictory evidence. I suppose the idea would be that Holmes has synthesized knowledge of regular human behavior by observation, rather than pulling it from inside himself. Which I guess would make him the greatest scientific psychologist ever.

    Holmes only has one friend, is a bachelor, doesn’t like to socialize, and is described as being eccentric. Maybe he self-medicates with cocaine. He has total recall, hyperawareness, and many other extraordinary, savantish mental gifts.

    Not that I believe any of this. I’m just joining in the make-believe.

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  109. guest says:
    @EvolutionistX
    Possibilities based on quick Googling:
    Boo Radley, to Kill a Mockingbird
    Caliban, Shakespeare's Tempest
    Sherlock Holmes
    Mr. Darcy, from Pride and Prejudice
    Tommy Walker From the 1970’s rock musical and movie Tommy (Actor: Roger Daltrey)
    Lili von Shtupp, Blazing Saddles
    Holden Caulfield, Catcher in the Rye
    Movies produced by Val Lewton, eg Irena Dubrovna from The Cat People, 1942; Amy from The Curse of the Cat People, 1944; Finn the Mute from The Ghost Ship, 1943.
    The children in Village of the Damned, 1960
    The Addams Family
    Vera Rostov, War and Peace
    Confessions of a Crap Artist, by Philip K. Dick
    All "mad scientists"
    Frankenstein's monster?
    I'm sure folks like Isaac Newton have been characters in novels at some point--I think he shows up in Shaw's In Good King Charles's Golden Days.

    But if autists didn't stand out as much in the past, they wouldn't stand out as much in old books, either.

    Caliban is only half-human. His father was an incubus, I believe. Hard to say what’s “neuro-typical” for a half-demon.

    I’ve also heard Spock described as autistic, but he’s half-alien. You can probably ascribe his peculiarity to his Vulcanness.

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    I’ve also heard Spock described as autistic, but he’s half-alien. You can probably ascribe his peculiarity to his Vulcanness.
     
    It can also be pointed out that Spock isn't emotionless; he simply holds his emotions in check via Vulcan discipline. Cf the numerous episodes where his control breaks down, and he expresses his true feelings ("Amok Time," "The Naked Time," "This Side of Paradise," etc)
  110. guest says:
    @Anonym
    Does the Count of Monte Cristo, err, count?

    Saruman from LOTR, and other wizards?

    Ayn Rand's heroes?

    Randian heroes get the ladies/dudes.

    Granted, they often have to rape them and/or treat them like prostitutes. But that’s what girls secretly want. Because Randian heroes (the male ones; the female ones don’t have to rape, obviously) are so awesome.

    They also don’t get along with others because they’re awesome, not because of some defect.

    Wait until the DSM includes a diagnosis of awesomeness.

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  111. Totally off topic, Steve, but I see German discounter Aldi are in SoCal (38 stores), about 20 stores in the LA region – in the UK they (and German rivals Lidl, who only have a few US stores in NC/SC so far) are doing the big supermarkets a lot of damage. Here a lot of middle-class shoppers have abandoned Tesco and Asda (Walmart-owned) for their big weekly shop.

    Have you shopped there? Impressions?

    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-agenda-grocery-wars-20170627-story.html

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    • Replies: @Yak-15
    Aldi has been around the Chicago area since the 90s. My mother shopped at the store in my youth. It was pretty low end, especially with respect to produce and the Aldi brand products. The other customers were mostly Mexicans with many of them likely illegals.

    The store has greatly improved since those days. They have affordable organic foods and the Aldi brand has gotten a little better. All told, it can reduce your grocery bill significantly while still offering quality fresh produce.
  112. prole says:
    @Reginald Maplethorp
    What do liberals anticipate this population explosion would do to climate?

    Don’t believe the hype..even leftists know global warming is a hoax.

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  113. @donut
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai6RLMnNDuc

    This is an excellent short talk. Everyone from the disdainful to the mildly curious to the wise should find it of merit.

    I was shocked a bit when my philosophy professor at university (and a man of some moral authority: a former colonel in the Canadian Army in North Africa in WWII with a Ph.D. from the University of Berlin) told me that “Buddhism is a religion with no God.” When the shock slowly wore off enough that I could think clearly about the implications of that statement (it’s true, of course), I saw that believing things, though perhaps the most “spiritual” and noble things, was not enough to live a truly religious meaning connected life. Something much more fundamental was required.

    That “something” is Zen.

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    • Replies: @donut
    Eustace Tilley (not) , they used to have weekend things at the Rochester Zen Center . Where you could go and be introduced to Zen . Sort of like a mixer in college . You might consider giving it a try . Even Nazis are welcomed as I found out .
  114. EriK says:
    @Autochthon
    To actually understand the context is to roll one's eyes even more; McEnroe was actually quite charitable and genteel – he was goaded by the interviewer's disingenuous "gotcha!" attitude into explaining – again, reasonably and diplomatically – stuff that goes without saying, all so the media could generate a sensationalistic headline about how mean and sexist he is and so Serena Williams could fabricate some imaginary beef with him based upon insults he never made:

    Garcia-Navarro: We're talking about male players but there is of course wonderful female players. Let's talk about Serena Williams. You say she is the best female player in the world in the book.

    McEnroe: Best female player ever - no question.

    Garcia-Navarro: Some wouldn't qualify it, some would say she's the best player in the world. Why qualify it?

    McEnroe: Oh! Uh...she's not...you mean, the best player in the world, period?

    Garcia-Navarro: Yeah, the best tennis player in the world. You know, why say female player?

    McEnroe: Well because if she was in – if she played the men's circuit she'd be like seven hundred in the world.

    Garcia-Navarro: You think so?

    McEnroe: Yeah. That doesn't mean I don't think Serena is an incredible player. I do, but the reality of what would happen would be – I think something that – perhaps it'd be a little higher, perhaps it'd be a little lower. And on a given day, Serena could beat some players. I believe because she's so incredibly strong mentally that she could overcome some situations where players would choke 'cause she's been in it so many times, so many situations at Wimbledon, the U.S. Open, etc.; but if she had to just play the circuit – the men's circuit – that would be an entirely different story.
     

    So you see, John McEnroe is jerk because he is aware of sexual dimorphism.

    Thank you for providing context unlike every “take” on the issue I’ve read by sportswriters.

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  115. @Anonymous
    In retrospect it was a great tragedy that one randy male flight attendant spread the AIDS virus to so many homosexual communities so soon. Had it not been for wealthy and influential gays, the development of anti-AIDS drugs would have been delayed until Africa had been much more impacted.

    That sounds cold and cruel, but the coming biobomb that will evolve in Sub Saharan Africa will be even worse. White intelligence and work stopped AIDS and stopped Ebola, but a superbug is coming and we won't be able to stop it even if we wanted to.

    TB is already a superbug. Resistant strains require 20-30 months of treatment with multiple drugs injected constantly. It would be impossible to stop in Africa. Also, smallpox, while currently entombed in laboratory vaults, could make a mysterious entrance. But I think, Africans will just kill one another like they always have. They just need more guns and there is no shortage of suppliers.

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  116. @Erik Sieven
    non Subsaharan Africans need to put their differences aside. They needs to be a Indo-Chinese-European-American-Arab project with the aim to contain the subsaharan African population explosion.

    I am offended on behalf of the Mestizoids, Negritos, and Australia’s aborigines for your implied neglect and exclusion of the valuable contributions they could doubtless bring to any such effort!

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    how could I forget them. Eskimo people, north siberian people, Papuans and Samoans should also have their place in this alliance. On a more serious note Khoisan people would be really needed to tell their story of Bantu expansion 1.0, which should be helpful to prevent the ongoing Bantu expansion 2.0.
  117. Kevin C. says:
    @jb

    This is beginning to sound like a cancer diagnosis.
     
    No no no, you've got it all wrong! It's the white race that is "the cancer of human history".

    Seriously, I've been wondering for years what happens if despite anything anyone says or does, African fertility rates just don't go down. What then?

    The problem is, I don't think the long term success of technological civilization is at all foreordained. Complex system tend to be fragile in unanticipated ways. I think we could easily exhaust our resources and collapse back into barbarism, and then what? Climbing back might be difficult, because there will be no oil or coal to burn for cheap energy, and all the easily accessible minerals will already have been ripped from the ground and scattered all over the landscape. If we blow this first chance we may not get another!

    The long term future of the human race could be the stars, but it could also be a million years of wood, stone, and iron. And black Africa could end up being the determining factor. Excuse me if I see this as a more important issue than which bathrooms sexually confused teenagers are allowed to use!

    The problem is, I don’t think the long term success of technological civilization is at all foreordained. Complex system tend to be fragile in unanticipated ways. I think we could easily exhaust our resources and collapse back into barbarism, and then what? Climbing back might be difficult, because there will be no oil or coal to burn for cheap energy, and all the easily accessible minerals will already have been ripped from the ground and scattered all over the landscape. If we blow this first chance we may not get another!

    This is an argument I also have to keep making to folks, Left and Right, who hold that collapse is impossible beyond the short term, that one always recovers from a “dark age”, and that it’s impossible nowadays for technologies to be truly lost — that the Industrial Revolution is quite likely a once-per-planet event, and that if humanity messes it up — which is easier to do than people think — we’ll never get it back.

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    • Replies: @anonguy

    This is an argument I also have to keep making to folks, Left and Right, who hold that collapse is impossible beyond the short term, that one always recovers from a “dark age”, and that it’s impossible nowadays for technologies to be truly lost — that the Industrial Revolution is quite likely a once-per-planet event, and that if humanity messes it up — which is easier to do than people think — we’ll never get it back.
     
    You have to keep making it because it is stupidly parochial rather than people are unaware of some great logical truth here.

    I'd bet someone in the Roman era would have made an argument that all the easy rock had been quarried, tough noogies for any future civilization.

    There are about a zillion other examples, try to think of at least one or two.

  118. @Doug
    Doesn't this suggest that genetic engineering is probably the most important problem to be focusing on right now. 15 billion Sub-Saharrans probably isn't so bad, if CRISPR can give them all Korean level IQs.

    Everyone cannot be an Alpha. In such a woebegone world as you suggest, the misery of those consigned to drudgery would be horrific, and the wars waged among such people for the planet’s nevertheless finite resources are unimaginable.

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  119. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    I think your tone is meant to be sarcastic; the "...97% of the world's smart people say..." clearly implies that.

    Would that rising sea levels were the only consequence of global warming! Because the excess carbon has to go somewhere, much of it is going into the oceans as carbonic acid. This makes the oceans more acidic, and more difficult (among other things) for sea organisms to form shells. See:
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rising-acidity-in-the-ocean/

    What is your personal experience? Do insects prefer warm temperatures to cold ones? Do fungi prefer warm temperatures to cold ones? Those (like Svante Arrhenius and, apparently, Anatoly Karlin) who see warmer temperatures as a certain boon to agriculture might well be mistaken. Just apply more pesticides? I am a beekeeper; honeybees and other pollinators are in serious jeopardy now, largely as a result of neonicotinoid pesticides now widely in use in the US (though now banned in Europe).

    Climate models by professional climatologists [insert laugh track here if so inclined] predict more storms, and more serious storms, in the future. This will negatively impact agriculture.

    If you have spent a summer in a large American inner city, you know that long periods of hot weather stress the human organism and make people irritable, resulting in more social friction. I don't think many of the 5 billion future Africans will have air conditioners. I swear by the Prophet Malthus that there will be more violence in a hotter Africa and world. This will have the benefit of reducing population (the hard way, which is probably the only way the trick can be turned). Perhaps we should ensure that all Africans have access to cheap and reliable firearms and ammunition.

    People on these alt-right or alt-light or conservative websites seem to "think" that because the libtards and globalists believe in global warming, it must be false. Is that sound reasoning?

    “People on these alt-right or alt-light or conservative websites seem to “think” that because the libtards and globalists believe in global warming, it must be false. Is that sound reasoning?”
    Yes, they’ve been wrong and deceictful about everything else.

    Plus, we are aware of this.

    ‘Global warming’ is not about the science – UN Admits: ‘Climate change policy is about how we redistribute the world’s wealth’

    http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/05/24/global-warming-is-not-about-the-science-un-admits-climate-change-policy-is-about-how-we-redistribute-the-worlds-wealth/

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  120. jack ryan says: • Website

    There is hope.

    There is more and more honest reporting of the effective things Israel does to stop, reverse the mass African migration invasions:

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/27/inside-israels-secret-program-to-get-rid-of-african_refugees_uganda_rwanda/

    Sure, even if you do what Donald Trump did and simply admire Israeli’s strong border walls, you’ll still get savaged as an evil Racist NAZI by the American, most Jewish lib/Neo Conservative media.

    But controlling, reversing mass Islamic, 3rd world migrants is always a popular, winning issue – in Israel, Sweden, Denmark -pretty much everywhere.

    It just takes some tough guy who isn’t scared of being called mean names by the media:

    Go for a Sheriff Joe A in Arizona or

    Philly police chief turned mayor Frank Rizzo.

    Tough Italian guys are usually solid.

    Never go for some rich guy who went to Harvard or Yale – nobody in the Kennedy or Bush families or William F Buckley.

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    • Replies: @Kevin C.

    But controlling, reversing mass Islamic, 3rd world migrants is always a popular, winning issue – in Israel, Sweden, Denmark -pretty much everywhere.
     
    Then why did Le Pen lose to Macron? And so what if the popularity of this issue helped get Trump elected, if his attempts to actually do so are all overturned by the courts? There's a difference between taking office and taking power. We can elect all the anti-immigration politicians to office in the merely-temporary "government" we want; that doesn't mean the permanent bureaucrats and judges who really run things won't still get their way and keep the flow going.
    , @International Jew

    effective things Israel does to stop, reverse the mass African migration invasions
     
    Yep. And a blog post about the African population tsunami would be a good place to remind y'all that the one land passage between Africa and Eurasia runs through Israel. So could we get a little more love here?
  121. @Lurker

    Excuse me if I see this as a more important issue than which bathrooms sexually confused teenagers are allowed to use!
     
    The problem is: the people who are anxious to usher in our glorious African future are the exact same people who want a tranny in every bathroom.

    I suspect they are, ultimately, all part of the same process but it's possible the tranny issue is there to distract us from the bigger problems.

    Don’t worry. somewhere in Maryland a bunch of US Government goons are working on a gene specific Smallpox.

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  122. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    OT—Fraying of the Fringes:

    Star of David “pride flags” were removed from Dyke March Chicago, and called “offensive” and “triggering” by those who associate the symbol with the State of Israel. Plenty of Jews on Twitter were not happy, as evidenced by scrolling this timeline.

    The Chicago Dyke March Collective’s response to the brouhaha mentioned suspicions of astroturfing by Israeli state groups, and had this slogan (via Breitbart):


    From Palestine to Mexico, border walls have got to go!!
     

    Waving an Israeli flag in a gay pride parade in the USA absolutely , totally ridiculous. A banner proclaiming Jewish Dykes would be reasonable.

    Interesting in that the gay movement was largely led by Jews. I remember a list of the 125 biggest gay advocacy groups. 103 of those groups were led by Jews

    It’s obvious the flag thing was a set up. Now Jews can claim that gays along with the rest of the world are anti Semitic
    I see some $200,000 jobs for grant hustling Jewish gays fighting anti semitism in the gay community.

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  123. AM says:
    @Travis
    in the past most autistic individual would have been considered mentally retarded. How many Retarded characters were prominent in novels ? 3% of the population was retarded until the 90s when they started to classify about half of the retards as autistic. 75% or three-quarters of children with autism also have an intellectual disability, but parents would rather label their children as autistic, since it sounds better than retarded.

    ? 3% of the population was retarded until the 90s when they started to classify about half of the retards as autistic. 75% or three-quarters of children with autism also have an intellectual disability, but parents would rather label their children as autistic, since it sounds better than retarded.

    As far as I know, no modern MD will classify any child as “retarded”. You just don’t do it apparently. I once saw a graph showing the rise in autism with the same decline in the diagnosis of retardation. It was lock step.

    My parents ran a group home for mental ill and retarded adults, back when they were called that. Now, I meet “autistic” boys are appear to merely high strung and nerdy and just need handling like they have 3 brain cells rather than the mind numbing boredom of grammar school and “autistic” children who are clearly different and mentally retarded.

    But in today’s world, the goal is to blend high IQ with low IQ and pretend it’s all the same problem! Progress.

    Fun word history: Retarded (as in retarded development) was the nice word to replace “idiot”. I’m waiting for the replacement for autistic after it’s clear to everyone that “aussie” means moron.

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  124. AM says:
    @Doug
    Doesn't this suggest that genetic engineering is probably the most important problem to be focusing on right now. 15 billion Sub-Saharrans probably isn't so bad, if CRISPR can give them all Korean level IQs.

    15 billion Sub-Saharrans probably isn’t so bad, if CRISPR can give them all Korean level IQs.

    Oh, there would be consequences to that we probably couldn’t anticipate right now. High IQ is not without it’s problems.

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  125. syonredux says:

    Chinese wisdom:

    On World Refugee Day, which falls every year on June 20, the UN released a video called “We Stand Together With Refugees” on its official Sina Weibo account, appealing to the Chinese public to pay more attention to the issue.

    The UN’s appeal was actively responded to by a few media outlets and several celebrities, invoking an intense discussion about whether China should receive refugees on a large scale.

    The Chinese public generally holds that currently China cannot accept a large number of refugees, although many are sympathetic toward these victims. The reasons are complex, rather than being seen as lack of internationalism and humanitarianism. It is related to China’s economic development, population, ethnic composition, legal mechanism and history.

    The priority for China is still development. An excessive influx of refugees will have a huge impact on social order. If terrorists infiltrate China among the refugees, the safety of 1.4 billion people will be under threat, a fear that can be proved by the current European refugee crisis. Accepting too many refugees may deprive China of a stable environment for development.

    The true way out to solve the refugee problem is to achieve stability and development in refugees’ own countries and help them return to their own homes.

    http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1053453.shtml?utm_content=bufferc83c8&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

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  126. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Autochthon
    Mr. Derbyshire recently cited a work (I forget the title just now) explaining how the imminent collapse will be permanent, because in order to extract resources necessary for technologically advanced civilisation now requires an extant, technologically advanced civilisation, due to the easy pickings' aleady having been depleted. A man may no longer obtain coal with a mattock and a shovel; absent a sophisticated infrastructure, fuels, etc., fracking simply is not possible. And so on.

    It won’t be permanent because obviously, mankind went from caveman to the Roman Empire once and went from the Iron Age to modern industry again. So even reduced to a “Foxfire”/American colonial settler like existence we would be able to rebuild eventually.

    It would take a long time and the right circumstances-at least one and maybe several generations would have a seventeenth century frontier like existence. And genetically we have decayed since then-we would have a big die off. We are not nearly as naturally tough immunity-wise, and our women are less birthworthy from a hundred years of obstetrical mischief. But enough would make it, I think.

    Enough would make it to form the nucleus of a new civilization, a new people. Perhaps a strong and beautiful new people. Perhaps a bunch of ugly mutts. I just hope I’m safely dead by then.

    Of course, the whole thing would be avoidable if we had the sense and the balls to do what our descendants will have to have to survive, or even a tenth of that. There is the tragedy.

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    It won’t be permanent because obviously, mankind went from caveman to the Roman Empire once and went from the Iron Age to modern industry again. So even reduced to a “Foxfire”/American colonial settler like existence we would be able to rebuild eventually.
     
    You don't understand. That first time going to modern industry was accomplished with the "low-hanging fruit" of easily-accessable energy and mineral resources that have since been depleted forever. If we lose industrial technology, the resources to rebuild it will simply not be there the second time around, because the energy and mineral resources to rebuild modern technology would not be harvestable without that very same modern technology we need them in order to rebuild.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    On the other hand Dark Ages can last a long time. A great quote from Churchill's History of the English Speaking Peoples, written in the 1930s.

    "If a native of Chester in Roman Britain could wake up to-day he would find laws which were the direct fulfilment of many of those he had known. He would find in every village temples and
    priests of the new creed which in his day was winning victories everywhere. Indeed the facilities for Christian worship would appear to him to be far in excess of the number of devotees. Not
    without pride would he notice that his children were compelled to learn Latin if they wished to enter the most famous universities. He might encounter some serious difficulties in the
    pronunciation. He would find in the public libraries many of the masterpieces of ancient literature, printed on uncommonly cheap paper and in great numbers. He would find a settled government, and a sense of belonging to a world-wide empire. He could drink and bathe in the waters of Bath, or if this were too far he would find vapour baths and toilet conveniences in every city. He would find all his own problems of currency, land tenure, public morals and decorum presented in a somewhat different aspect, but still in lively dispute. He would have the same sense of belonging to a society which was threatened, and to an imperial rule which had passed its prime. He would have the same gathering fears of some sudden onslaught by barbarian forces armed with equal weapons to those of the local legions or auxiliaries. He would still fear the people across the North Sea, and still be taught that his frontiers were upon the Rhine. The most marked changes that would confront him would be the speed of communications and the volume of printed and broadcast matter. He might find both distressing. But against these he could set chloroform, antiseptics, and a more scientific
    knowledge of hygiene. He would have longer history books to read, containing worse tales than those of Tacitus and Dio. Facilities would be afforded to him for seeing “regions Cæsar never knew”, from which he would probably return in sorrow and wonder. He would find himself hampered in every aspect of foreign travel, except that of speed. If he wished to journey to Rome, Constantinople, or Jerusalem, otherwise than by sea, a dozen frontiers would scrutinise his entry. He would be called upon to develop a large number of tribal and racial enmities to which he had formerly been a stranger. But the more he studied the accounts of what had happened since the third century the more satisfied he would be not to have been awakened at an earlier time"
     
  127. @eah
    USDA -- Agricultural Imports Soar in Sub-Saharan Africa -- Although Sub-Saharan Africa is a major food-aid recipient, commercial shipments have grown in importance in recent years.

    Reading the first paragraphs, you get the feeling they delayed mentioning the part about "food-aid" until as late in the article as possible.

    How d’ya say, “Soylent Green” in Swahili? That which can’t be sustained, won’t.

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    "How d’ya say, 'Soylent Green' in Swahili?"

    Kushiriki utajiri
  128. @Lot
    Foreign aid to Africa is not a significant source of its population growth or food supply. Its food imports are largely paid with natural resource exports.

    Thus a much more significant source of African population growth has been China's industrialization.

    A large share of African clothing is discarded clothing from the West however.

    What natural resources? Didn’t imperialists steal all of them?

    What will happen, then, if, say, Nigeria runs into a Mexico situation, where all their main wells dry out over the course of a decade?

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  129. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Autochthon
    To actually understand the context is to roll one's eyes even more; McEnroe was actually quite charitable and genteel – he was goaded by the interviewer's disingenuous "gotcha!" attitude into explaining – again, reasonably and diplomatically – stuff that goes without saying, all so the media could generate a sensationalistic headline about how mean and sexist he is and so Serena Williams could fabricate some imaginary beef with him based upon insults he never made:

    Garcia-Navarro: We're talking about male players but there is of course wonderful female players. Let's talk about Serena Williams. You say she is the best female player in the world in the book.

    McEnroe: Best female player ever - no question.

    Garcia-Navarro: Some wouldn't qualify it, some would say she's the best player in the world. Why qualify it?

    McEnroe: Oh! Uh...she's not...you mean, the best player in the world, period?

    Garcia-Navarro: Yeah, the best tennis player in the world. You know, why say female player?

    McEnroe: Well because if she was in – if she played the men's circuit she'd be like seven hundred in the world.

    Garcia-Navarro: You think so?

    McEnroe: Yeah. That doesn't mean I don't think Serena is an incredible player. I do, but the reality of what would happen would be – I think something that – perhaps it'd be a little higher, perhaps it'd be a little lower. And on a given day, Serena could beat some players. I believe because she's so incredibly strong mentally that she could overcome some situations where players would choke 'cause she's been in it so many times, so many situations at Wimbledon, the U.S. Open, etc.; but if she had to just play the circuit – the men's circuit – that would be an entirely different story.
     

    So you see, John McEnroe is jerk because he is aware of sexual dimorphism.

    McEnroe was perfectly gentlemanly. That his remarks were controversial shows the pathology of the media generally.

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    • Replies: @The True and Original David
    The media are largely owned by Christian Evangelicals who, in addition to hating Jews and rubbers, gin up social pathologies for fun and profit. The solution is a more Christ-centric self-critical self-accepting life, including repeatingly boasting in all media that one has humbly shut up.

    See? If one identifies a problem accurately, then one can solve it.

    Meanwhile, give a few bucks to Africa if you can. The kids need it.
  130. @Autochthon
    Mr. Derbyshire recently cited a work (I forget the title just now) explaining how the imminent collapse will be permanent, because in order to extract resources necessary for technologically advanced civilisation now requires an extant, technologically advanced civilisation, due to the easy pickings' aleady having been depleted. A man may no longer obtain coal with a mattock and a shovel; absent a sophisticated infrastructure, fuels, etc., fracking simply is not possible. And so on.
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    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    IIRC, your scientism made you an atheist. You will have to swim in the Lake.
    , @Anonymous
    You would have plenty of iron and aluminum scrap to melt down, from the wrecked civilization, and fossil fuels weren't that important until the 19th century. We have millions of tons of coal that are accessible by nineteenth century mining which we don't use because environment.

    And there is still a lot of easily accessible oil on the planet we have not touched because of political or economic considerations.

    Given the IQ and the Faustian outlook to do it, the natural resources available have never been all that big a restriction on development. Afghanistan sits on an unbelievably rich motherlode of minerals and the Afghans won't touch it, not in a hundred thousand years. And we can't because of international and national politics. After a collapse, a re-emergent civilization probably will. The Afghans will step aside or be mown down wholesale, or be bought off.
    , @Kevin C.
    Thanks.
  131. Bud Lyte says:

    OT: I think I’m detecting another Peter Thiel conspiracy….

    O’Keefe releases a video of a CNN editor admitting there’s nothing to the Russian story.

    The lead Get Trump CNN editor is then fired, and his team too.

    Thiel gave money to O’Keefe to investigate the socialist group ACORN, of which Obama had once been affiliated.

    He secretly funded the destruction of Gawker through the Hulk Hogan sex tape lawsuit.

    He’s a well-known diversity skeptic, and a Trump supporter. He recommended Publius Decius Mus to work for Trump.

    Is someone like Thiel going to let the media-Deep State nexus destroy his president?

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    Is someone like Thiel going to let the media-Deep State nexus destroy his president?
     
    "Let", implying Thiel can stop them.
  132. @Erik Sieven
    non Subsaharan Africans need to put their differences aside. They needs to be a Indo-Chinese-European-American-Arab project with the aim to contain the subsaharan African population explosion.

    non Subsaharan Africans need to put their differences aside. They needs to be a Indo-Chinese-European-American-Arab project with the aim to contain the subsaharan African population explosion.

    Thank you. I couldn’t agree more. At the very least I want to see this happen within western countries, although I’d prefer to see it happen globally.

    Some members of this disparate grouping are more reasonable, others less so, but there’s always at least some degree of hope that we could negotiate some sort of mutually acceptable arrangement. Trying to negotiate with blacks is like trying to negotiate with a five-year-old in the middle of a tantrum.

    It won’t happen any time soon, because there’s still far too many of the rest of us compared to Africans, but as they catch up and, potentially, become the earth’s majority race, I’m sure we’ll see fast growing interest in this idea of a non-black coalition.

    Plus, at the end of the day, the cold hard reality is that no race on earth really wants to be negrified, so the desire to avoid that dread fate is always a factor you can count on.

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  133. Lurker says:
    @Njguy73
    " The old-style contemptuous attitude towards ‘natives’ has been much weakened in England, and various pseudo-scientific theories emphasising the superiority of the white race have been abandoned. Among the intelligentsia, colour feeling only occurs in the transposed form, that is, as a belief in the innate superiority of the coloured races. This is now increasingly common among English intellectuals, probably resulting more often from masochism and sexual frustration than from contact with the Oriental and Negro nationalist movements. Even among those who do not feel strongly on the colour question, snobbery and imitation have a powerful influence. Almost any English intellectual would be scandalised by the claim that the white races are superior to the coloured, whereas the opposite claim would seem to him unexceptionable even if he disagreed with it. Nationalistic attachment to the coloured races is usually mixed up with the belief that their sex lives are superior, and there is a large underground mythology about the sexual prowess of Negroes." - George Orwell, "Notes On Nationalism" 1945

    Orwell – correct in every particular.

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  134. Ron Unz says:

    Those are *astonishing* demographic statistics. Bravo to that anonymous VDare commenter for bringing them to light.

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  135. Send in the feminists. Get Oprah, NOW, and Bill Cosby to pay for it. The birthrate will drop below replacement before you can say “George Soros is an alias of Sauron.”

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  136. @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. My question was: When do fictional characters who would today be considered on the autistic spectrum first show up in literature, movies, or plays? Are there any such characters in Shakespeare or Dickens?

    The Wikipedia page on the topic lists only 3 such before Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man in 1988.

    Maybe Hymie the Robot in Get Smart in the mid-1960s?

    Apparently a lot of people think that Leonie, one of the sisters of St. Therese of Lisieux (19th century), was autistic. Of course, she was a real person.

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  137. @syonredux

    Sherlock Holmes
     
    Holmes autistic?Seeing as how a major factor in Holmes' success as a detective was his ability to understand human emotions, I think that we can rule that one out.

    Caliban, Shakespeare’s Tempest
     
    Caliban was bestial, not autistic.

    >Holmes autistic? Seeing as how a major factor in Holmes’ success as a detective was his ability to understand human emotions, I think that we can rule that one out.

    Fiction doesn’t have to be accurate. Women get depicted kicking male butts all the time in fiction. It’s not realistic, but the characters are still supposed to be women. Holmes could still have been intentionally modeled on autistic traits.

    I agree the Tempest seemed a stretch.

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    Holmes could still have been intentionally modeled on autistic traits.
     
    Well, Holmes was basically a combo of Poe's Dupin and Conan Doyle's old medical school prof, Joseph Bell.From what I've read, Bell doesn't sound autistic. As for Poe's Dupin, he comes across as pure Romantic/Byronic .
  138. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @John Derbyshire

    You would have plenty of iron and aluminum scrap to melt down, from the wrecked civilization, and fossil fuels weren’t that important until the 19th century. We have millions of tons of coal that are accessible by nineteenth century mining which we don’t use because environment.

    And there is still a lot of easily accessible oil on the planet we have not touched because of political or economic considerations.

    Given the IQ and the Faustian outlook to do it, the natural resources available have never been all that big a restriction on development. Afghanistan sits on an unbelievably rich motherlode of minerals and the Afghans won’t touch it, not in a hundred thousand years. And we can’t because of international and national politics. After a collapse, a re-emergent civilization probably will. The Afghans will step aside or be mown down wholesale, or be bought off.

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  139. syonredux says:
    @guest
    Caliban is only half-human. His father was an incubus, I believe. Hard to say what's "neuro-typical" for a half-demon.

    I've also heard Spock described as autistic, but he's half-alien. You can probably ascribe his peculiarity to his Vulcanness.

    I’ve also heard Spock described as autistic, but he’s half-alien. You can probably ascribe his peculiarity to his Vulcanness.

    It can also be pointed out that Spock isn’t emotionless; he simply holds his emotions in check via Vulcan discipline. Cf the numerous episodes where his control breaks down, and he expresses his true feelings (“Amok Time,” “The Naked Time,” “This Side of Paradise,” etc)

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    Autistics aren’t emotionless either, just difficult to read.
  140. syonredux says:
    @EvolutionistX
    >Holmes autistic? Seeing as how a major factor in Holmes’ success as a detective was his ability to understand human emotions, I think that we can rule that one out.

    Fiction doesn't have to be accurate. Women get depicted kicking male butts all the time in fiction. It's not realistic, but the characters are still supposed to be women. Holmes could still have been intentionally modeled on autistic traits.

    I agree the Tempest seemed a stretch.

    Holmes could still have been intentionally modeled on autistic traits.

    Well, Holmes was basically a combo of Poe’s Dupin and Conan Doyle’s old medical school prof, Joseph Bell.From what I’ve read, Bell doesn’t sound autistic. As for Poe’s Dupin, he comes across as pure Romantic/Byronic .

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  141. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “…“Rain Man”are now all lumped together as being on the spectrum.”

    Among modern references, Forest Gump is supposed to be an “idiot savent”. He explains through the whole film exactly how much money he has at each moment, for instance.

    The book on which the movie is based makes it more apparent:

    “The movie does not mention Forrest’s being an idiot savant”

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    The movie character shows no signs of being a savant, near as I can remember. He is a world-class athlete, medal of honor winner, a self-self-made millionaire, and obviously very high-functioning (whether as an autiste, a retard, or an autistic retard). He's shown to be capable of holding down jobs (army man, shrimp boat captain, lawn mower). He gets along well enough with strangers, though they condescend to him. He doesn't have a lot of friends, but maintains close relationships with various people (Jenny, Bubba, Lt. Dan).

    "Stupid is as stupid does," as he says. If autistic is as autistic does, Forrest Gump isn't very autistic. Some, I guess.

  142. Kevin C. says:
    @Autochthon
    Mr. Derbyshire recently cited a work (I forget the title just now) explaining how the imminent collapse will be permanent, because in order to extract resources necessary for technologically advanced civilisation now requires an extant, technologically advanced civilisation, due to the easy pickings' aleady having been depleted. A man may no longer obtain coal with a mattock and a shovel; absent a sophisticated infrastructure, fuels, etc., fracking simply is not possible. And so on.

    A man may no longer obtain coal with a mattock and a shovel; absent a sophisticated infrastructure, fuels, etc., fracking simply is not possible. And so on.

    Indeed, I find myself making this same argument frequently. An Industrial Revolution is a once-per-planet event; we f*** it up, we don’t get a do-over. Which is where I depart with the folks who say not to worry about the Left, because they’re guaranteed to eventually collapse under their insane denial of reality. Because that’s small comfort if said collapse puts us irreversibly into a new Dark Age that ends only when humanity goes extinct; and I figure the probability of the Left’s collapse knocking us back into such unending barbarism is near-certain.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Did we use up all the coal and iron?
    , @guest
    The Industrial Revolution was dwarfed by the Electrical/Internal Combustion Engine Revolution, in my opinion. But I guess you can say the latter was impossible without the former.
  143. Kevin C. says:
    @Anonymous
    It won't be permanent because obviously, mankind went from caveman to the Roman Empire once and went from the Iron Age to modern industry again. So even reduced to a "Foxfire"/American colonial settler like existence we would be able to rebuild eventually.

    It would take a long time and the right circumstances-at least one and maybe several generations would have a seventeenth century frontier like existence. And genetically we have decayed since then-we would have a big die off. We are not nearly as naturally tough immunity-wise, and our women are less birthworthy from a hundred years of obstetrical mischief. But enough would make it, I think.

    Enough would make it to form the nucleus of a new civilization, a new people. Perhaps a strong and beautiful new people. Perhaps a bunch of ugly mutts. I just hope I'm safely dead by then.

    Of course, the whole thing would be avoidable if we had the sense and the balls to do what our descendants will have to have to survive, or even a tenth of that. There is the tragedy.

    It won’t be permanent because obviously, mankind went from caveman to the Roman Empire once and went from the Iron Age to modern industry again. So even reduced to a “Foxfire”/American colonial settler like existence we would be able to rebuild eventually.

    You don’t understand. That first time going to modern industry was accomplished with the “low-hanging fruit” of easily-accessable energy and mineral resources that have since been depleted forever. If we lose industrial technology, the resources to rebuild it will simply not be there the second time around, because the energy and mineral resources to rebuild modern technology would not be harvestable without that very same modern technology we need them in order to rebuild.

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    easily-accessable energy and mineral resources that have since been depleted forever
     
    We probably could not replicate the current mass consumer society, but one should be able to have and to hold a sustainable and satisfying culture from what nature is still able to provide.
  144. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Autochthon
    Mr. Derbyshire recently cited a work (I forget the title just now) explaining how the imminent collapse will be permanent, because in order to extract resources necessary for technologically advanced civilisation now requires an extant, technologically advanced civilisation, due to the easy pickings' aleady having been depleted. A man may no longer obtain coal with a mattock and a shovel; absent a sophisticated infrastructure, fuels, etc., fracking simply is not possible. And so on.

    I dunno. You could recycle some resources instead of extracting them. Instead of mining ore, you could melt down and recast steel, for example.

    Maybe fracking would be out of reach but biodiesel might not be.

    And so on.

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  145. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen
    David Brin has autistic characters in his sci-fi novel Existence.

    Oh, there was also a child character in network TV drama called Parenthood who had Asperger’s.

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  146. Kevin C. says:
    @Erik Sieven
    non Subsaharan Africans need to put their differences aside. They needs to be a Indo-Chinese-European-American-Arab project with the aim to contain the subsaharan African population explosion.

    non Subsaharan Africans need to put their differences aside. They needs to be a Indo-Chinese-European-American-Arab project with the aim to contain the subsaharan African population explosion.

    Except this will never, ever, ever happen. Because your “Indo-Chinese-Arab” parts will always, always be more likely to align with the Subsaharans against the “European-American” parts, because the KKKrazy Glue of hating Whitey is just too strong a pull to resist, and will simply never stop until the day they’ve finally rendered us extinct. And I have yet to see anyone put forth a plan that has a reasonable chance of actually stopping us from being whiped forever from this earth.

    Remember, extinction is forever.

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  147. Trelane says:
    @res
    Assuming biomass production can be maintained with dramatically increasing population is questionable. Where are all of those people living? What about soil depletion? How many calories are needed for cooking and heating? Any idea how water supply and waste disposal would work with much larger populations?

    Many Africans live outdoors and some, such as the traditional Maasai don’t cook their food (blood, milk and meat of the Zebu ox, all eaten uncooked). And people don’t really take up that much space relative to the scale of the earth’s land surface. In some cases, such as the now-extinct Tasmanians, fire is not used. In others, such as the traditional Yanomami, clothing is not worn. Mankind can survive and reproduce with a very small footprint.

    Presently on earth, man consumes about 1% of the net primary productivity of the planet. Mankind’s (7 billion of us) basal metabolism consumes 700GW (gigawatts or billions of watts) compared to the 75TW (terawatts or trillions of watts) of net primary production. This is 0.93% or close to 1% with apologies to any decimal point that may have had its feelings hurt. Mankind currently eats 1% of the planet.

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    In some cases, such as the now-extinct Tasmanians
     
    These Tasmanians?

    data from the 2011 census indicated that nearly 20,000 people identify as Indigenous in Tasmania; making Tasmania the state with the second highest proportion of indigenous to non-indigenous people in Australia. [Wiki]
  148. @peterike
    In super fun African immigrant news, there was a big puzzle in New York recently about just who defaulted on payments for an apartment in Billionaire's Row, a $50.9 M penthouse -- the biggest apartment default EVAH.

    Well in news that will shock nobody, it was a Nigerian!

    http://nypost.com/2017/06/26/mystery-man-who-foreclosed-50-9m-billionaires-row-penthouse-revealed/

    Doesn't matter how many black billions you have, if you don't wanna pay, you just don't pay.

    Jesus, if it was valued at 10x rental earnings, the guy could have made almost $2 million sub-leasing it if it took six months from the beginning of foreclosure proceedings to eviction.

    One of the characters in The Big Short was a deadbeat absentee landlord – actually his dog was the principal on the mortgage. We never actually meet him or his dog, but he’s sub-leasing his house to an ex-con-looking tough, who’s of course portrayed as a good, interested father. The ex-con is kicked out in the end, but the canine borrower’s fate is left to the imagination. It’s easy to imagine credit scores don’t mean dog chow when you got a cash-money retirement fund socked away in Nassau.

    Scale that scam up to an Upper East Side penthouse here and there and, pretty soon, it starts adding up to serious money.

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  149. anonguy says:
    @Kevin C.

    The problem is, I don’t think the long term success of technological civilization is at all foreordained. Complex system tend to be fragile in unanticipated ways. I think we could easily exhaust our resources and collapse back into barbarism, and then what? Climbing back might be difficult, because there will be no oil or coal to burn for cheap energy, and all the easily accessible minerals will already have been ripped from the ground and scattered all over the landscape. If we blow this first chance we may not get another!
     
    This is an argument I also have to keep making to folks, Left and Right, who hold that collapse is impossible beyond the short term, that one always recovers from a "dark age", and that it's impossible nowadays for technologies to be truly lost — that the Industrial Revolution is quite likely a once-per-planet event, and that if humanity messes it up — which is easier to do than people think — we'll never get it back.

    This is an argument I also have to keep making to folks, Left and Right, who hold that collapse is impossible beyond the short term, that one always recovers from a “dark age”, and that it’s impossible nowadays for technologies to be truly lost — that the Industrial Revolution is quite likely a once-per-planet event, and that if humanity messes it up — which is easier to do than people think — we’ll never get it back.

    You have to keep making it because it is stupidly parochial rather than people are unaware of some great logical truth here.

    I’d bet someone in the Roman era would have made an argument that all the easy rock had been quarried, tough noogies for any future civilization.

    There are about a zillion other examples, try to think of at least one or two.

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  150. guest says:
    @anonymous
    "...“Rain Man”are now all lumped together as being on the spectrum."

    Among modern references, Forest Gump is supposed to be an "idiot savent". He explains through the whole film exactly how much money he has at each moment, for instance.

    The book on which the movie is based makes it more apparent:


    "The movie does not mention Forrest's being an idiot savant"

     

    The movie character shows no signs of being a savant, near as I can remember. He is a world-class athlete, medal of honor winner, a self-self-made millionaire, and obviously very high-functioning (whether as an autiste, a retard, or an autistic retard). He’s shown to be capable of holding down jobs (army man, shrimp boat captain, lawn mower). He gets along well enough with strangers, though they condescend to him. He doesn’t have a lot of friends, but maintains close relationships with various people (Jenny, Bubba, Lt. Dan).

    “Stupid is as stupid does,” as he says. If autistic is as autistic does, Forrest Gump isn’t very autistic. Some, I guess.

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  151. @Kevin C.

    A man may no longer obtain coal with a mattock and a shovel; absent a sophisticated infrastructure, fuels, etc., fracking simply is not possible. And so on.
     
    Indeed, I find myself making this same argument frequently. An Industrial Revolution is a once-per-planet event; we f*** it up, we don't get a do-over. Which is where I depart with the folks who say not to worry about the Left, because they're guaranteed to eventually collapse under their insane denial of reality. Because that's small comfort if said collapse puts us irreversibly into a new Dark Age that ends only when humanity goes extinct; and I figure the probability of the Left's collapse knocking us back into such unending barbarism is near-certain.

    Did we use up all the coal and iron?

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    All of it that's readily accessable with 1700s tech, or near as close enough to all as to make little enough difference.
  152. guest says:
    @Kevin C.

    A man may no longer obtain coal with a mattock and a shovel; absent a sophisticated infrastructure, fuels, etc., fracking simply is not possible. And so on.
     
    Indeed, I find myself making this same argument frequently. An Industrial Revolution is a once-per-planet event; we f*** it up, we don't get a do-over. Which is where I depart with the folks who say not to worry about the Left, because they're guaranteed to eventually collapse under their insane denial of reality. Because that's small comfort if said collapse puts us irreversibly into a new Dark Age that ends only when humanity goes extinct; and I figure the probability of the Left's collapse knocking us back into such unending barbarism is near-certain.

    The Industrial Revolution was dwarfed by the Electrical/Internal Combustion Engine Revolution, in my opinion. But I guess you can say the latter was impossible without the former.

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  153. Amasius says:

    For those who want a bump of Cialis for their doom boners, Zero Hedge has an article about Megacities 2100:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-27/mapping-worlds-20-most-populous-cities-2100

    Lagos 88.3 MILLION. Kinshasa 83.5M. Dar Es Salaam 73.7M. Mumbai 67.2M. Top 20 will be almost all gigantic slum sprawls in Africa and South Asia. Beijing, Shanghai, Tokyo won’t even make the top 20.

    I can’t seriously imagine such a world will come to pass. It has to break down before then.

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  154. Kevin C. says:
    @jack ryan
    There is hope.

    There is more and more honest reporting of the effective things Israel does to stop, reverse the mass African migration invasions:

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/27/inside-israels-secret-program-to-get-rid-of-african_refugees_uganda_rwanda/

    Sure, even if you do what Donald Trump did and simply admire Israeli's strong border walls, you'll still get savaged as an evil Racist NAZI by the American, most Jewish lib/Neo Conservative media.

    But controlling, reversing mass Islamic, 3rd world migrants is always a popular, winning issue - in Israel, Sweden, Denmark -pretty much everywhere.

    It just takes some tough guy who isn't scared of being called mean names by the media:

    Go for a Sheriff Joe A in Arizona or

    Philly police chief turned mayor Frank Rizzo.

    Tough Italian guys are usually solid.

    Never go for some rich guy who went to Harvard or Yale - nobody in the Kennedy or Bush families or William F Buckley.

    But controlling, reversing mass Islamic, 3rd world migrants is always a popular, winning issue – in Israel, Sweden, Denmark -pretty much everywhere.

    Then why did Le Pen lose to Macron? And so what if the popularity of this issue helped get Trump elected, if his attempts to actually do so are all overturned by the courts? There’s a difference between taking office and taking power. We can elect all the anti-immigration politicians to office in the merely-temporary “government” we want; that doesn’t mean the permanent bureaucrats and judges who really run things won’t still get their way and keep the flow going.

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    Then why did Le Pen lose to Macron?
     
    Old people and socialism. Le Pen is reasonably young herself and had the youth vote. (The youth did abstain by the way.)

    We've got at least 10 years of open borders by my calculations. Bad ideas die generationally.
  155. Kevin C. says:
    @Bud Lyte
    OT: I think I'm detecting another Peter Thiel conspiracy....

    O'Keefe releases a video of a CNN editor admitting there's nothing to the Russian story.

    The lead Get Trump CNN editor is then fired, and his team too.

    Thiel gave money to O'Keefe to investigate the socialist group ACORN, of which Obama had once been affiliated.

    He secretly funded the destruction of Gawker through the Hulk Hogan sex tape lawsuit.

    He's a well-known diversity skeptic, and a Trump supporter. He recommended Publius Decius Mus to work for Trump.

    Is someone like Thiel going to let the media-Deep State nexus destroy his president?

    Is someone like Thiel going to let the media-Deep State nexus destroy his president?

    “Let”, implying Thiel can stop them.

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  156. Kevin C. says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Did we use up all the coal and iron?

    All of it that’s readily accessable with 1700s tech, or near as close enough to all as to make little enough difference.

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    All of it that’s readily accessable with 1700s tech, or near as close enough to all as to make little enough difference.
     
    My thought is that non-perishable materials we've dug up are still on the surface and far more accessible than the 1700's tech materials. What's not actually still in use is in a dump somewhere.

    I've wondered if landfills would make good long term investments.
  157. @Anonymous
    It won't be permanent because obviously, mankind went from caveman to the Roman Empire once and went from the Iron Age to modern industry again. So even reduced to a "Foxfire"/American colonial settler like existence we would be able to rebuild eventually.

    It would take a long time and the right circumstances-at least one and maybe several generations would have a seventeenth century frontier like existence. And genetically we have decayed since then-we would have a big die off. We are not nearly as naturally tough immunity-wise, and our women are less birthworthy from a hundred years of obstetrical mischief. But enough would make it, I think.

    Enough would make it to form the nucleus of a new civilization, a new people. Perhaps a strong and beautiful new people. Perhaps a bunch of ugly mutts. I just hope I'm safely dead by then.

    Of course, the whole thing would be avoidable if we had the sense and the balls to do what our descendants will have to have to survive, or even a tenth of that. There is the tragedy.

    On the other hand Dark Ages can last a long time. A great quote from Churchill’s History of the English Speaking Peoples, written in the 1930s.

    “If a native of Chester in Roman Britain could wake up to-day he would find laws which were the direct fulfilment of many of those he had known. He would find in every village temples and
    priests of the new creed which in his day was winning victories everywhere. Indeed the facilities for Christian worship would appear to him to be far in excess of the number of devotees. Not
    without pride would he notice that his children were compelled to learn Latin if they wished to enter the most famous universities. He might encounter some serious difficulties in the
    pronunciation. He would find in the public libraries many of the masterpieces of ancient literature, printed on uncommonly cheap paper and in great numbers. He would find a settled government, and a sense of belonging to a world-wide empire. He could drink and bathe in the waters of Bath, or if this were too far he would find vapour baths and toilet conveniences in every city. He would find all his own problems of currency, land tenure, public morals and decorum presented in a somewhat different aspect, but still in lively dispute. He would have the same sense of belonging to a society which was threatened, and to an imperial rule which had passed its prime. He would have the same gathering fears of some sudden onslaught by barbarian forces armed with equal weapons to those of the local legions or auxiliaries. He would still fear the people across the North Sea, and still be taught that his frontiers were upon the Rhine. The most marked changes that would confront him would be the speed of communications and the volume of printed and broadcast matter. He might find both distressing. But against these he could set chloroform, antiseptics, and a more scientific
    knowledge of hygiene. He would have longer history books to read, containing worse tales than those of Tacitus and Dio. Facilities would be afforded to him for seeing “regions Cæsar never knew”, from which he would probably return in sorrow and wonder. He would find himself hampered in every aspect of foreign travel, except that of speed. If he wished to journey to Rome, Constantinople, or Jerusalem, otherwise than by sea, a dozen frontiers would scrutinise his entry. He would be called upon to develop a large number of tribal and racial enmities to which he had formerly been a stranger. But the more he studied the accounts of what had happened since the third century the more satisfied he would be not to have been awakened at an earlier time”

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  158. @Trelane
    Ten to fifteen billion is probably absolute carrying capacity for SubSaharan Africa. Net primary productivity in SSA is about 20 billion kg of dry biomass per year or around 1/5 of the world total. That's about 80 trillion calories which would be enough to sustain about 110 billion people on an absolute, instataneous basis with no other competing heterotrophs but that's quite unrealistic. The actual, realistic carrying capacity for SSA is maybe 10-15 billion.

    If net primary productivity of SSA really is 20 billion kg per year (where did this figure come from, BTW?), which I agree is very roughly 80 trillion calories, that’s not going to support any billion people.

    A million calories per year is a pretty meager diet. Eighty trillion divided by a million gives only 80 million souls as the carrying capacity. By this calculation, Africa is already way over its carrying capacity. And that doesn’t even include biomass for cooking, heating, building and competing animals.

    I don’t think these source figures can be correct.

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    See post 158 above for correct figures.
    , @bomag

    I don’t think these source figures can be correct
     
    Good catch. Eighty trillion calories will support 110 billion people if they could live on 727 calories a day.

    One way to look at it is to take the total land area of Africa and figure that five percent of the land area will produce half the food (Pareto distribution), and a productive acre produces five to ten tons of biomass. Dedicating the continent to food production this way will let it support somewhere around 10 billion people, after which we can finally flip the switch and quit growing the population.
  159. Trelane says:
    @Almost Missouri
    If net primary productivity of SSA really is 20 billion kg per year (where did this figure come from, BTW?), which I agree is very roughly 80 trillion calories, that's not going to support any billion people.

    A million calories per year is a pretty meager diet. Eighty trillion divided by a million gives only 80 million souls as the carrying capacity. By this calculation, Africa is already way over its carrying capacity. And that doesn't even include biomass for cooking, heating, building and competing animals.

    I don't think these source figures can be correct.

    See post 158 above for correct figures.

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  160. @Reginald Maplethorp
    What do liberals anticipate this population explosion would do to climate?

    The population explosion is caused by climate change which is caused by whites. Do try and keep up.

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  161. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Steve Sailer
    Sub-Saharan Africa has been famous for what Western NCOs cynically call “die-offs”

    Is it?

    Off hand, I can't think of too many downturns in population in Africa for more than a few years.

    I think Malthus has been largely the wrong framework for thinking about Africa. Sure, a few places like Rwanda have been close to its Malthusian limits, but that has been more the exception than the rule.

    It just dawned on me that anything that would extend the lifespan of African individuals above childbearing age would reduce the resources of reproducing Africans.

    The phrase ‘eat their young’ is just a metaphor but perhaps this is important.

    Perhaps urbanization and feeding old people will have an impact on fertility.

    India is perceived by ethnocentric Westerners as having an issue with open defecation. However, it is in competition with some African countries. I suppose it works as well for transgendered as any policy currently being debated in the US.

    Niger is on the list of countries with challenges in this area.

    When we are talking about billions — there are some basic sanitation considerations.

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  162. TheJester says:
    @Stan Adams
    Black Africans, left to their own devices, will breed like rabbits and die like flies.

    Whites are dumb enough to solve the latter problem while ignoring the former one. So, yes, the African population explosion is our fault. We created the problem with our technology, our medicine, our agriculture, and our compassion.

    White compassion (and its Siamese twin, white guilt) is our Achilles' heel. If we lacked compassion and guilt, then we could sit back and let nature take its course.

    But if we sat back and let nature take its course, then the Black African demographic explosion would not be our fault. The Black African demographic implosion would be our fault. Indeed, even the practical problems of integration associated with importing Blacks to Western countries by the millions to alleviate either plight would be our fault. Seems like the moral guilt would be on our backs regardless of what happens.

    Fundamental to the discussion is the assumption that Blacks have no agency or responsibility for the consequences of their behaviors. Just as our southern brethren once described them, they are for their own sake apparently in need of compassion, direction, and care … and, as the White population of the United States is rediscovering the hard way, that will never change.

    As a test regarding agency, ask yourself whose fault it would be if the West’s population was likewise exploding to its Malthusian Limits, introducing a permanent condition of poverty and food insecurity. Africa’s fault? Asia’s fault? The West’s fault?

    Note: As an axiom, a society cannot exceed its Malthusian Limits except with help in the form of extra-societal subsidies … exactly the kind of subsidies being gifted to Africa at the present time.

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    Seems like the moral guilt would be on our backs regardless of what happens.
     
    This, and coupled with the notion of strict liability, when applied to whole societies and peoples, suggests to some that we must turn over all our assets and go extinct to atone for all these ghastly sins.
  163. AM says:
    @Roderick Spode
    Also, YES, pro-lifers are partially to blame for this time-bomb. As James Porrazzo of #NLM has observed, Africa should have an abortion clinic on every corner. Hell, Western concerns should be paying African women to have abortions.

    Also, YES, pro-lifers are partially to blame for this time-bomb. As James Porrazzo of #NLM has observed, Africa should have an abortion clinic on every corner. Hell, Western concerns should be paying African women to have abortions.

    We all but do that in the US and sell the baby parts. You can’t say we aren’t efficient and market driven. USA! USA!

    If people actually listened to how Catholicism says live your life (rather than get their theological info from a Monty Python skit), we wouldn’t have this time-bomb. All contraception does in Africa is encourage promiscuity. Catholicism says plan your families, only as many children as you can be responsible for and you will be judged.

    It is odd how Africans are not white secularized Protestant liberals, but that hasn’t stopped us in trying those solutions for decades.

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    We all but do that in the US and sell the baby parts. You can’t say we aren’t efficient and market driven. USA! USA!
     
    That’s right, and black fertility in America has declined to replacement-level and is soon to decline below. USA!
  164. AM says:
    @Kevin C.

    But controlling, reversing mass Islamic, 3rd world migrants is always a popular, winning issue – in Israel, Sweden, Denmark -pretty much everywhere.
     
    Then why did Le Pen lose to Macron? And so what if the popularity of this issue helped get Trump elected, if his attempts to actually do so are all overturned by the courts? There's a difference between taking office and taking power. We can elect all the anti-immigration politicians to office in the merely-temporary "government" we want; that doesn't mean the permanent bureaucrats and judges who really run things won't still get their way and keep the flow going.

    Then why did Le Pen lose to Macron?

    Old people and socialism. Le Pen is reasonably young herself and had the youth vote. (The youth did abstain by the way.)

    We’ve got at least 10 years of open borders by my calculations. Bad ideas die generationally.

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  165. AM says:
    @Kevin C.
    All of it that's readily accessable with 1700s tech, or near as close enough to all as to make little enough difference.

    All of it that’s readily accessable with 1700s tech, or near as close enough to all as to make little enough difference.

    My thought is that non-perishable materials we’ve dug up are still on the surface and far more accessible than the 1700′s tech materials. What’s not actually still in use is in a dump somewhere.

    I’ve wondered if landfills would make good long term investments.

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    My thought is that non-perishable materials we’ve dug up are still on the surface
     
    You forget the "coal" part. The really important parts are the fossil fuels, since burnt. But also, look up cryolite (a mineral essential to production of aluminum), and how we depleted the readily-accessable Greenland supply (which is pretty much all of it available), and have to keep recycling what we have of said cryolite. We lose that cryolite, or the ability to keep re-using it like we are…
  166. bomag says:
    @Almost Missouri
    If net primary productivity of SSA really is 20 billion kg per year (where did this figure come from, BTW?), which I agree is very roughly 80 trillion calories, that's not going to support any billion people.

    A million calories per year is a pretty meager diet. Eighty trillion divided by a million gives only 80 million souls as the carrying capacity. By this calculation, Africa is already way over its carrying capacity. And that doesn't even include biomass for cooking, heating, building and competing animals.

    I don't think these source figures can be correct.

    I don’t think these source figures can be correct

    Good catch. Eighty trillion calories will support 110 billion people if they could live on 727 calories a day.

    One way to look at it is to take the total land area of Africa and figure that five percent of the land area will produce half the food (Pareto distribution), and a productive acre produces five to ten tons of biomass. Dedicating the continent to food production this way will let it support somewhere around 10 billion people, after which we can finally flip the switch and quit growing the population.

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  167. Yak-15 says:
    @eD
    " Had it not been for wealthy and influential gays, the development of anti-AIDS drugs would have been delayed until Africa had been much more impacted."

    This is semi-off topic, but was discussed in another iSteve thread just this week.

    The massive heterosexual AIDS epidemic in Africa was almost certainly a hoax. Most African countries don't or can't keep reliable statistics to chart HIV spread. During the height of the supposed epidemic, I'm pretty sure there was little HIV testing outside of South Africa in sub-Saharan African. Deaths from the usual round of sub-Saharan African diseases were reported as AIDS deaths. This was done because it was easier to get funding from wealthy people in the West to combat AIDS than to combat the usual round of sub-Saharan African diseases.

    So when statistics indicate that South Africa has a 30 pct AIDS positive rate, they are untrue? Please refer me to evidence.

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  168. Yak-15 says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    Totally off topic, Steve, but I see German discounter Aldi are in SoCal (38 stores), about 20 stores in the LA region - in the UK they (and German rivals Lidl, who only have a few US stores in NC/SC so far) are doing the big supermarkets a lot of damage. Here a lot of middle-class shoppers have abandoned Tesco and Asda (Walmart-owned) for their big weekly shop.

    Have you shopped there? Impressions?

    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-agenda-grocery-wars-20170627-story.html

    Aldi has been around the Chicago area since the 90s. My mother shopped at the store in my youth. It was pretty low end, especially with respect to produce and the Aldi brand products. The other customers were mostly Mexicans with many of them likely illegals.

    The store has greatly improved since those days. They have affordable organic foods and the Aldi brand has gotten a little better. All told, it can reduce your grocery bill significantly while still offering quality fresh produce.

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  169. bomag says:
    @Kevin C.

    It won’t be permanent because obviously, mankind went from caveman to the Roman Empire once and went from the Iron Age to modern industry again. So even reduced to a “Foxfire”/American colonial settler like existence we would be able to rebuild eventually.
     
    You don't understand. That first time going to modern industry was accomplished with the "low-hanging fruit" of easily-accessable energy and mineral resources that have since been depleted forever. If we lose industrial technology, the resources to rebuild it will simply not be there the second time around, because the energy and mineral resources to rebuild modern technology would not be harvestable without that very same modern technology we need them in order to rebuild.

    easily-accessable energy and mineral resources that have since been depleted forever

    We probably could not replicate the current mass consumer society, but one should be able to have and to hold a sustainable and satisfying culture from what nature is still able to provide.

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    one should be able to have and to hold a sustainable and satisfying culture
     
    "Sustainable" until the next mega-plague. Or asteroid impact. Or nearby gamma-ray burst pointing our solar system's way. Or the final, fatal heating of the Earth as the sun goes from hydrogen to helium on it's way to the "red giant" stage. In the words of Heinlein, "The Earth is just too small and fragile a basket for the human race to keep all its eggs in."
  170. @Anonym
    Yes, it's more of an r/the_donald type view of autist as a highly intelligent individual who is intelligent to the point they find it difficult to communicate with people of average intellect... basically a "sperg", an Aspie in the sense of a "little professor". It has been decades since I have read those books so cut me some slack please.

    You are right though, it is hard to find a classic autistic character there, of severe autism who just sits there completely uncommunicative with the world. They also don't make a compelling character in a novel... which may have something to do with it. My weak examples may help to prove the rule.

    Saruman in particular was interesting in the way he used the orb like a net addict. It is decades since I read LOTR though. I think I get what Steve is groping at and it is an interesting question. I feel like availability of information or AV entertainment may have something to do with autism spectrum prevalence but admittedly haven't delved into the question.

    Your concessions are noted and I duly grant those forebearances asked.
    Saruman in particular is anything but autistic, especially with regard to his ability communicating; indeed he is famously charming and persuasive; Gandalf warns against this power and Saruman demonstrates it repearedly:

    “Saruman has powers you do not guess. Beware of his voice!” …

    Suddenly another voice spoke, low and melodious, its very sound an enchantment. Those who listened unwearily to that voice could seldom report the words that they had heard; and if they did, they wondered, for little power remained in them. Mostly they remembered only that it was a delight to hear the voice speaking, all that it said seemed wise and reasonable, and desire awoke in them by swift agreement to seem wise themselves. When others spoke, they seemed harsh and uncouth by contrast; and if they gainsaid the voice, anger was kindled in the hearts of those under the spell….

    “But my Lord of Rohan, am I to be called a murderer, because valiant men have fallen in battle? If you go to war, needlessly, for I did not desire it, then men will be slain….”

    Saruman paused. ‘Unsay?’ he mused, as if puzzled. ‘Unsay? I endeavoured to advise you for your own good, but you scarcely listened. You are proud and do not love advice, having indeed a store of your own wisdom. But on that occasion you erred, I think, misconstruing my intentions wilfully. I fear that in my eagerness to persuade you, I lost patience. And indeed I regret. For I bore you no ill-will; and even now I bear none, though you return to me in company of the violent and the ignorant. How should I? Are we not both members of a high and ancient order, most excellent in Middle-Earth? Our friendship would profit us both alike. Much we could still accomplish together, to heal the disorders of the world. Let us understand one another, and dismiss from thought these lesser folk! … Will you not come up?

    — Excerpts from “The Voice of Saruman,” The Two Towers

    Tolkien later explained:

    Saruman’s voice was not hypnotic but persuasive. Those who listened to him were not in danger of falling into a trance, but of agreeing with his arguments, while fully awake. It was always open to one to reject, by free will and reason, both his voice while speaking and its after-impressions. Saruman corrupted the reasoning powers.

    Saruman’s use of the palantir (of Numenorean origin and not an inherently evil device, but dangerous only because a communicative device, an opposite number being in Sauron’s control) represents Saruman’s pride and overconfident dismissal of dangers (tellingly, Gandalf was terrified of Sauron; whereas Saruman seems to have at some point foolishly decided he was more powerful than, or at least equal to, Sauron…).

    I don’t have much interesting to say about Edmond Dantès, John Galt, Dagny Taggart, Howard Roark, et al.; they none of them exhibited any remotely autistic traits I can recall. They are independent and brilliant, which you fairly concede ignorant persons have apparently (and incorrectly) come to think evinces autism. Indeed, the confidence and deep understanding of human nature (especially Dantès, who uses his understanding of human nature to facilitate his elaborate machinations to avenge himself on his despicable enemies via some very long cons) are again exactly the opposite of autism. The autistic are hardly famed for inventive initiative and an abiding understanding of others’ motivations and emotions.

    I may make some other observations about characters who may actually evince autism (or what later came to be called autism) in Steve’s new thread about the topic.

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  171. biz says:
    @Coemgen
    Um, well, where does the CO2 come from? Did it come from "fossil fuels" extracted from the earth? If so, where was the carbon in the fossil fuels before it was in the organisms that the fuels are composed of? Was it in the form of gaseous CO2 in the atmosphere? Aren't these obvious questions?

    where was the carbon in the fossil fuels before it was in the organisms that the fuels are composed of? Was it in the form of gaseous CO2 in the atmosphere?

    Indeed it was. Over the last billion years a lot of atmospheric CO2 has been sequestered in fossil matter that was previously in the atmosphere.

    This has reduced over that long timescale what was previously a very significant greenhouse effect on the Earth. Fortunately, it has coincided with the Sun becoming around 10% more luminous in that time period, and the two effects have more-or-less cancelled each other.

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  172. Pat Boyle says:
    @eah
    USDA -- Agricultural Imports Soar in Sub-Saharan Africa -- Although Sub-Saharan Africa is a major food-aid recipient, commercial shipments have grown in importance in recent years.

    Reading the first paragraphs, you get the feeling they delayed mentioning the part about "food-aid" until as late in the article as possible.

    The whole projection of Africa’s population to grow ever higher strikes me as being a simple example of innumeracy. That’s not the way the numbers work.

    There are two modes of feedback – positive and negative. Negative feedback is the ‘good’ one.

    In a regime of negative feedback there is a base level. If the subsequent increment is above the base level it generates a signal to lower the level. The same is true if the deviation is low – then the feedback signal goes high. This is the way that thermostats work and many life processes. It makes the levels stay steady.

    With positive feedback there’s a deviating signal and adds to it. If the level goes high that generates a signal increase the level even more. The same thing is true for levels below the base level.

    The human male sexual system operates with negative feedback. The female uses positive feedback. That’s why women have cycles and men don’t. The main scary story in the Global Warming scenario was that there would be a ‘tipping point’ beyond which the feedback regime would turn to positive feedback. According to this ghost story if the temperature went up too much that would kick off a feedback signal of some sort that would raise the temperature even more and we would get ‘runaway warming’.

    Steve’s graphs imply that we are about to get ‘runaway breeding’. Soon there wouldn’t be a place to stand on Earth because we would have bred ourselves to the point where we were shoulder to shoulder. People used to speak of this as a real possibility back in the sixties.

    But positive feedback tends to produce cycles like a sine wave. Things that start going high accelerate higher and higher and then they reverse. This is a cycles of boom and crash followed bay another boom and crash and so on.

    The steeply climbing curve of Africa’s population is just the first segment in a longer series of rises and falls. Africa seems to be caught in a positive feedback cycle. At present each rise in population kicks off even more population – but that can’t continue. At some point the external systems that support life will no longer be able to function and the population will crash.

    It seems that Africa’s population is probably limited by the availability of water. South Africa and Ethiopia are now experiencing drought. The longer term population level of Africa will never get as high as Steve’s graph’s suggest. Nature will impose it’s own limits. This is not a good way to operate. Population will eventually be controlled but at a terrible human cost.

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    That was a pretty good rundown of negative and positive feedback.

    At some point the external systems that support life will no longer be able to function and the population will crash.
     
    We intuit that for the most part, but our succoring and enabling of this population growth may well doom ourselves to be yoked to the same fate.
  173. bomag says:
    @TheJester
    But if we sat back and let nature take its course, then the Black African demographic explosion would not be our fault. The Black African demographic implosion would be our fault. Indeed, even the practical problems of integration associated with importing Blacks to Western countries by the millions to alleviate either plight would be our fault. Seems like the moral guilt would be on our backs regardless of what happens.

    Fundamental to the discussion is the assumption that Blacks have no agency or responsibility for the consequences of their behaviors. Just as our southern brethren once described them, they are for their own sake apparently in need of compassion, direction, and care ... and, as the White population of the United States is rediscovering the hard way, that will never change.

    As a test regarding agency, ask yourself whose fault it would be if the West's population was likewise exploding to its Malthusian Limits, introducing a permanent condition of poverty and food insecurity. Africa's fault? Asia's fault? The West's fault?

    Note: As an axiom, a society cannot exceed its Malthusian Limits except with help in the form of extra-societal subsidies ... exactly the kind of subsidies being gifted to Africa at the present time.

    Seems like the moral guilt would be on our backs regardless of what happens.

    This, and coupled with the notion of strict liability, when applied to whole societies and peoples, suggests to some that we must turn over all our assets and go extinct to atone for all these ghastly sins.

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  174. bomag says:
    @Pat Boyle
    The whole projection of Africa's population to grow ever higher strikes me as being a simple example of innumeracy. That's not the way the numbers work.

    There are two modes of feedback - positive and negative. Negative feedback is the 'good' one.

    In a regime of negative feedback there is a base level. If the subsequent increment is above the base level it generates a signal to lower the level. The same is true if the deviation is low - then the feedback signal goes high. This is the way that thermostats work and many life processes. It makes the levels stay steady.

    With positive feedback there's a deviating signal and adds to it. If the level goes high that generates a signal increase the level even more. The same thing is true for levels below the base level.

    The human male sexual system operates with negative feedback. The female uses positive feedback. That's why women have cycles and men don't. The main scary story in the Global Warming scenario was that there would be a 'tipping point' beyond which the feedback regime would turn to positive feedback. According to this ghost story if the temperature went up too much that would kick off a feedback signal of some sort that would raise the temperature even more and we would get 'runaway warming'.

    Steve's graphs imply that we are about to get 'runaway breeding'. Soon there wouldn't be a place to stand on Earth because we would have bred ourselves to the point where we were shoulder to shoulder. People used to speak of this as a real possibility back in the sixties.

    But positive feedback tends to produce cycles like a sine wave. Things that start going high accelerate higher and higher and then they reverse. This is a cycles of boom and crash followed bay another boom and crash and so on.

    The steeply climbing curve of Africa's population is just the first segment in a longer series of rises and falls. Africa seems to be caught in a positive feedback cycle. At present each rise in population kicks off even more population - but that can't continue. At some point the external systems that support life will no longer be able to function and the population will crash.

    It seems that Africa's population is probably limited by the availability of water. South Africa and Ethiopia are now experiencing drought. The longer term population level of Africa will never get as high as Steve's graph's suggest. Nature will impose it's own limits. This is not a good way to operate. Population will eventually be controlled but at a terrible human cost.

    That was a pretty good rundown of negative and positive feedback.

    At some point the external systems that support life will no longer be able to function and the population will crash.

    We intuit that for the most part, but our succoring and enabling of this population growth may well doom ourselves to be yoked to the same fate.

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  175. snorlax says:
    @AM

    Also, YES, pro-lifers are partially to blame for this time-bomb. As James Porrazzo of #NLM has observed, Africa should have an abortion clinic on every corner. Hell, Western concerns should be paying African women to have abortions.
     
    We all but do that in the US and sell the baby parts. You can't say we aren't efficient and market driven. USA! USA!

    If people actually listened to how Catholicism says live your life (rather than get their theological info from a Monty Python skit), we wouldn't have this time-bomb. All contraception does in Africa is encourage promiscuity. Catholicism says plan your families, only as many children as you can be responsible for and you will be judged.

    It is odd how Africans are not white secularized Protestant liberals, but that hasn't stopped us in trying those solutions for decades.

    We all but do that in the US and sell the baby parts. You can’t say we aren’t efficient and market driven. USA! USA!

    That’s right, and black fertility in America has declined to replacement-level and is soon to decline below. USA!

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    That’s right, and black fertility in America has declined to replacement-level and is soon to decline below. USA!
     
    Since it's via abortion, rather than some sort of even vague attempt at better living, it may have consequences down the road that we're not too fond of but can't see right now.

    In any event, unless you're prepared to pay for welfare for a significant part of Africa and their abortions and make sure that Africa has a Western urbanized environment, all pre-conditions in the US, me thinks it's not a solution anyway.
  176. snorlax says:
    @syonredux

    I’ve also heard Spock described as autistic, but he’s half-alien. You can probably ascribe his peculiarity to his Vulcanness.
     
    It can also be pointed out that Spock isn't emotionless; he simply holds his emotions in check via Vulcan discipline. Cf the numerous episodes where his control breaks down, and he expresses his true feelings ("Amok Time," "The Naked Time," "This Side of Paradise," etc)

    Autistics aren’t emotionless either, just difficult to read.

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    Autistics aren’t emotionless either, just difficult to read.
     
    Yeah, but that just provides more evidence that Spock isn't autistic. His stoic demeanor is a product of training. Remove the self-control, and his emotions become very easy to read....
  177. @Autochthon
    I am offended on behalf of the Mestizoids, Negritos, and Australia's aborigines for your implied neglect and exclusion of the valuable contributions they could doubtless bring to any such effort!

    how could I forget them. Eskimo people, north siberian people, Papuans and Samoans should also have their place in this alliance. On a more serious note Khoisan people would be really needed to tell their story of Bantu expansion 1.0, which should be helpful to prevent the ongoing Bantu expansion 2.0.

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  178. AM says:
    @snorlax

    We all but do that in the US and sell the baby parts. You can’t say we aren’t efficient and market driven. USA! USA!
     
    That’s right, and black fertility in America has declined to replacement-level and is soon to decline below. USA!

    That’s right, and black fertility in America has declined to replacement-level and is soon to decline below. USA!

    Since it’s via abortion, rather than some sort of even vague attempt at better living, it may have consequences down the road that we’re not too fond of but can’t see right now.

    In any event, unless you’re prepared to pay for welfare for a significant part of Africa and their abortions and make sure that Africa has a Western urbanized environment, all pre-conditions in the US, me thinks it’s not a solution anyway.

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  179. @eah
    USDA -- Agricultural Imports Soar in Sub-Saharan Africa -- Although Sub-Saharan Africa is a major food-aid recipient, commercial shipments have grown in importance in recent years.

    Reading the first paragraphs, you get the feeling they delayed mentioning the part about "food-aid" until as late in the article as possible.

    If not for Bill Gate’s (Gates foundation) money for this externally provided food and medicines, the population growth in Africa would not have been. Thank Bill Gates for Ebola coming from Africa to the west.

    Its cruelty, to feed African peoples like this, rather than to use the powers-&-moneys of the rich, to try and better those peoples behaviors and morals. Its those behaviors and morals, that are their real problem. You the reader of this blog, know this. Is Gates that stupid, or just corrupt?

    The bigger question is, why are these billionaires so hating of their own people ?

    Answer: Its easy to buy “fame” this way. And for billionaires, its easy to buy corrupt political protection planet-wide, by paying off government types everywhere.

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    re: "Is Gates that stupid, or just corrupt?" P_L

    It is his social justice warrior wife leading the beta dork by his cock.

    Dan Kurt
  180. Kevin C. says:
    @AM

    All of it that’s readily accessable with 1700s tech, or near as close enough to all as to make little enough difference.
     
    My thought is that non-perishable materials we've dug up are still on the surface and far more accessible than the 1700's tech materials. What's not actually still in use is in a dump somewhere.

    I've wondered if landfills would make good long term investments.

    My thought is that non-perishable materials we’ve dug up are still on the surface

    You forget the “coal” part. The really important parts are the fossil fuels, since burnt. But also, look up cryolite (a mineral essential to production of aluminum), and how we depleted the readily-accessable Greenland supply (which is pretty much all of it available), and have to keep recycling what we have of said cryolite. We lose that cryolite, or the ability to keep re-using it like we are…

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    You forget the “coal” part
     
    That was what I was trying to get at with the "non-perishable" part. Just weird word usage, sorry. :) The point is that it's not all lost forever. But agreed, there would be much difficulty in getting at petroleum based resources without our current level of technology.
  181. @jack ryan
    There is hope.

    There is more and more honest reporting of the effective things Israel does to stop, reverse the mass African migration invasions:

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/27/inside-israels-secret-program-to-get-rid-of-african_refugees_uganda_rwanda/

    Sure, even if you do what Donald Trump did and simply admire Israeli's strong border walls, you'll still get savaged as an evil Racist NAZI by the American, most Jewish lib/Neo Conservative media.

    But controlling, reversing mass Islamic, 3rd world migrants is always a popular, winning issue - in Israel, Sweden, Denmark -pretty much everywhere.

    It just takes some tough guy who isn't scared of being called mean names by the media:

    Go for a Sheriff Joe A in Arizona or

    Philly police chief turned mayor Frank Rizzo.

    Tough Italian guys are usually solid.

    Never go for some rich guy who went to Harvard or Yale - nobody in the Kennedy or Bush families or William F Buckley.

    effective things Israel does to stop, reverse the mass African migration invasions

    Yep. And a blog post about the African population tsunami would be a good place to remind y’all that the one land passage between Africa and Eurasia runs through Israel. So could we get a little more love here?

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    Plenty here admire Israel. We should copy them.

    The real problem is Israel first policies by traitors in the American government.
  182. Kevin C. says:
    @bomag

    easily-accessable energy and mineral resources that have since been depleted forever
     
    We probably could not replicate the current mass consumer society, but one should be able to have and to hold a sustainable and satisfying culture from what nature is still able to provide.

    one should be able to have and to hold a sustainable and satisfying culture

    “Sustainable” until the next mega-plague. Or asteroid impact. Or nearby gamma-ray burst pointing our solar system’s way. Or the final, fatal heating of the Earth as the sun goes from hydrogen to helium on it’s way to the “red giant” stage. In the words of Heinlein, “The Earth is just too small and fragile a basket for the human race to keep all its eggs in.”

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    I presume that a proper culture would include reasonable efforts to explore space, oceans, etc.
  183. @YetAnotherAnon
    On the other hand Dark Ages can last a long time. A great quote from Churchill's History of the English Speaking Peoples, written in the 1930s.

    "If a native of Chester in Roman Britain could wake up to-day he would find laws which were the direct fulfilment of many of those he had known. He would find in every village temples and
    priests of the new creed which in his day was winning victories everywhere. Indeed the facilities for Christian worship would appear to him to be far in excess of the number of devotees. Not
    without pride would he notice that his children were compelled to learn Latin if they wished to enter the most famous universities. He might encounter some serious difficulties in the
    pronunciation. He would find in the public libraries many of the masterpieces of ancient literature, printed on uncommonly cheap paper and in great numbers. He would find a settled government, and a sense of belonging to a world-wide empire. He could drink and bathe in the waters of Bath, or if this were too far he would find vapour baths and toilet conveniences in every city. He would find all his own problems of currency, land tenure, public morals and decorum presented in a somewhat different aspect, but still in lively dispute. He would have the same sense of belonging to a society which was threatened, and to an imperial rule which had passed its prime. He would have the same gathering fears of some sudden onslaught by barbarian forces armed with equal weapons to those of the local legions or auxiliaries. He would still fear the people across the North Sea, and still be taught that his frontiers were upon the Rhine. The most marked changes that would confront him would be the speed of communications and the volume of printed and broadcast matter. He might find both distressing. But against these he could set chloroform, antiseptics, and a more scientific
    knowledge of hygiene. He would have longer history books to read, containing worse tales than those of Tacitus and Dio. Facilities would be afforded to him for seeing “regions Cæsar never knew”, from which he would probably return in sorrow and wonder. He would find himself hampered in every aspect of foreign travel, except that of speed. If he wished to journey to Rome, Constantinople, or Jerusalem, otherwise than by sea, a dozen frontiers would scrutinise his entry. He would be called upon to develop a large number of tribal and racial enmities to which he had formerly been a stranger. But the more he studied the accounts of what had happened since the third century the more satisfied he would be not to have been awakened at an earlier time"
     

    Wow, awesome quote, thanks.

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    You can download the whole thing here. It's outdated here and there, but still a tremendous intro to UK and US history (I gather he got a lot of postgrads to do the research), I just love his writing style.

    https://archive.org/details/TheBirthOfBritain_Churchill


    "At this point the march of invention brought a new factor upon the scene. Iron was dug and forged. Men armed with iron entered Britain from the Continent and killed the men of bronze. At this point we can plainly recognise across the vanished millenniums a fellow-being. A biped capable of slaying another with iron is evidently to modern eyes a man and a brother. It cannot be doubted that for smashing skulls, whether long-headed or round, iron is best."
     
  184. @Anonymous
    McEnroe was perfectly gentlemanly. That his remarks were controversial shows the pathology of the media generally.

    The media are largely owned by Christian Evangelicals who, in addition to hating Jews and rubbers, gin up social pathologies for fun and profit. The solution is a more Christ-centric self-critical self-accepting life, including repeatingly boasting in all media that one has humbly shut up.

    See? If one identifies a problem accurately, then one can solve it.

    Meanwhile, give a few bucks to Africa if you can. The kids need it.

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    Auto, I have no idea how my comment wound up replying to you. It wasn't intended to, sorry. I blame Putin's hacking for this!
  185. Kylie says:

    “Its cruelty, to feed African peoples like this, rather than to use the powers-&-moneys of the rich, to try and better those peoples behaviors and morals. Its those behaviors and morals, that are their real problem. You the reader of this blog, know this.”

    I, another reader of this blog, know no such thing. Those behaviors and morals are their real way of being. You cannot take Africa out of Africans.

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  186. Scientists detect a giant asteroid on a collision course with Earth.

    Mankind’s best humanities graduates respond….

    1. “Don’t be alarmed. These things come in cycles. No asteroid collision ever wiped out all life on Earth before.”

    2. “Don’t launch nuclear warheads on missiles to change the asteroid’s course. That would be prejudice. The asteroid is made out of much the same metals and minerals that the Earth is made of. It has as much right to be in this section of the Earth’s orbital circuit as Earth does.”

    3. “Mineral increases from the asteroid collision will increase potential mining industry wealth, portending a significant uptick in GDP. Only the economically illiterate fear the asteroid.”

    4. “Forget about sending nukes. That would require significant government coordination and expenditure, which is statism. That is against our principles.”

    5. “Prayer will solve this. God will provide.”

    6. “A better solution for deflecting the asteroid is solar and wind power. How can we be sure warheads sent into space will not send fallout back to the ground?”

    7. “The more welcoming we are of the asteroid, the less damage it will do to us. Don’t make it angry.”

    8. “Wringing our hands parsing our moral guilt and agency in this situation is the first priority. Nothing comes before punishing oneself for one’s selfishness, everyone and everything else be damned.”

    9. “Science says the collision will be our punishment for slavery.”

    10. “The nukes we launch better be produced by enough racially and genderly diverse hands, so that the asteroid’s resulting destruction will be truly a triumph for humanity, and not merely another excuse for white male frat boys to high-five each other.”

    11. “Key to any solution is ensuring that women and minorities are not hardest hit.”

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  187. @The True and Original David
    The media are largely owned by Christian Evangelicals who, in addition to hating Jews and rubbers, gin up social pathologies for fun and profit. The solution is a more Christ-centric self-critical self-accepting life, including repeatingly boasting in all media that one has humbly shut up.

    See? If one identifies a problem accurately, then one can solve it.

    Meanwhile, give a few bucks to Africa if you can. The kids need it.

    Auto, I have no idea how my comment wound up replying to you. It wasn’t intended to, sorry. I blame Putin’s hacking for this!

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  188. syonredux says:
    @snorlax
    Autistics aren’t emotionless either, just difficult to read.

    Autistics aren’t emotionless either, just difficult to read.

    Yeah, but that just provides more evidence that Spock isn’t autistic. His stoic demeanor is a product of training. Remove the self-control, and his emotions become very easy to read….

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  189. Dan Kurt says:
    @Phantom_Limb
    If not for Bill Gate's (Gates foundation) money for this externally provided food and medicines, the population growth in Africa would not have been. Thank Bill Gates for Ebola coming from Africa to the west.

    Its cruelty, to feed African peoples like this, rather than to use the powers-&-moneys of the rich, to try and better those peoples behaviors and morals. Its those behaviors and morals, that are their real problem. You the reader of this blog, know this. Is Gates that stupid, or just corrupt?

    The bigger question is, why are these billionaires so hating of their own people ?

    Answer: Its easy to buy "fame" this way. And for billionaires, its easy to buy corrupt political protection planet-wide, by paying off government types everywhere.

    re: “Is Gates that stupid, or just corrupt?” P_L

    It is his social justice warrior wife leading the beta dork by his cock.

    Dan Kurt

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    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    We have Gates' mother to thank for his marrying Melinda.

    She died of cancer. Her dying wish was to see her son take a wife. He obliged.
  190. @Bard of Bumperstickers
    How d'ya say, "Soylent Green" in Swahili? That which can't be sustained, won't.

    “How d’ya say, ‘Soylent Green’ in Swahili?”

    Kushiriki utajiri

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  191. Thea says:
    @International Jew

    effective things Israel does to stop, reverse the mass African migration invasions
     
    Yep. And a blog post about the African population tsunami would be a good place to remind y'all that the one land passage between Africa and Eurasia runs through Israel. So could we get a little more love here?

    Plenty here admire Israel. We should copy them.

    The real problem is Israel first policies by traitors in the American government.

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  192. This comment zone is an iSteve singularity of zero self awareness right here.

    - Commenters autistically arguing about who may be autistic in an off topic thread.

    - Commenters beating their chest about self hating whites while railing against white evangelicals and the RCC.

    Lmbo

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  193. Lurker says:
    @Trelane
    Many Africans live outdoors and some, such as the traditional Maasai don't cook their food (blood, milk and meat of the Zebu ox, all eaten uncooked). And people don't really take up that much space relative to the scale of the earth's land surface. In some cases, such as the now-extinct Tasmanians, fire is not used. In others, such as the traditional Yanomami, clothing is not worn. Mankind can survive and reproduce with a very small footprint.

    Presently on earth, man consumes about 1% of the net primary productivity of the planet. Mankind's (7 billion of us) basal metabolism consumes 700GW (gigawatts or billions of watts) compared to the 75TW (terawatts or trillions of watts) of net primary production. This is 0.93% or close to 1% with apologies to any decimal point that may have had its feelings hurt. Mankind currently eats 1% of the planet.

    In some cases, such as the now-extinct Tasmanians

    These Tasmanians?

    data from the 2011 census indicated that nearly 20,000 people identify as Indigenous in Tasmania; making Tasmania the state with the second highest proportion of indigenous to non-indigenous people in Australia. [Wiki]

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    The last full-blood Tasmanian Aboriginal died in 1905. Her name was Fanny Cochrane Smith.

    Sure, there are contemporary Tasmanians but, like Elizabeth Warren, most of their ancestors aren't aboriginal.
  194. Lurker says:

    in the UK they (and German rivals Lidl, who only have a few US stores in NC/SC so far) are doing the big supermarkets a lot of damage.

    They have certainly grown fast in the UK, although Lidl has been operating here for years now. But they’re starting from a low base. The big 4 supermarket chains still have close to 70% market share with Tesco way out in front.

    https://www.kantarworldpanel.com/en/grocery-market-share/great-britain/snapshot/18.06.17/

    Market share compared over two years:

    https://www.kantarworldpanel.com/en/grocery-market-share/great-britain/snapshot/18.06.17/21.06.15

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  195. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Meanwhile, unintimidated German police teach yet another confused African immigrant about conforming to modern civilization:

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b8c_1498585619

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  196. @Dan Kurt
    re: "Is Gates that stupid, or just corrupt?" P_L

    It is his social justice warrior wife leading the beta dork by his cock.

    Dan Kurt

    We have Gates’ mother to thank for his marrying Melinda.

    She died of cancer. Her dying wish was to see her son take a wife. He obliged.

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  197. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Kyle McKenna
    May I remind everyone that the prevention and treatment of human diseases, and the extension of human lifespans, are two major focuses of the important work in Africa being funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

    Separately, somewhat, this may be the place to quote the Swedish economist Knut Wicksell, who noted that while we may argue forever what might constitute the optimal world population level, the maximum sustainable population is by definition the worst.

    Melinda Gates: Foreign aid cuts to contraceptives in Trump’s budget hurt millions of women

    Today, in unrelated news:

    GOP-Controlled House Subcommittees Reject Trump Budget Cuts

    … One subcommittee has rejected Trump’s proposal to eliminate the $1.6 billion Food for Peace program that ships U.S.-grown food to hungry nations.

    Onward, Christian soldiers.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Melinda Gates really does want to cut African fertility. She just has to walk a very narrow path in terms of always phrasing it as being instead about Female Empowerment, etc etc.

    If Trump is against contraception for Africa, maybe there is hope ...

  198. @guest
    Depends on how wide a spectrum you're using. Because if we're using internet comment section standards, then it could apply to almost any literary character this side of Harry Flashman. Wikipedia is probably sticking closer to characters authors have admitted were autistic.

    If people hunt for autistes like they hunt for crypto-gays, they'll find them everywhere. Here are candidates off the top of my head:

    Sherlock Holmes
    Boo Radley, To Kill a Mockingbird
    Lenny, Of Mice and Men
    Mr. Darcy, Pride and Prejudice
    That one that made me quit reading The Sound and the Fury; Benjy?
    Bartelby, Bartelby the Scrivener
    Stevie, the Secret Agent
    Charlie, Flowers for Algernon

    Sherlock Holmes — No. Too good understanding of human nature. He’s just an eccentric genius. Vox Day would call him a Sigma.
    Boo Radley, To Kill a Mockingbird — I haven’t read this.
    Lenny, Of Mice and Men — He’s just a retard.
    Mr. Darcy, Pride and Prejudice — He’s also one of Vox Day’s Sigmas.
    That one that made me quit reading The Sound and the Fury; Benjy?
    Bartelby, Bartelby the Scrivener — I haven’t read this.
    Stevie, the Secret Agent — I haven’t read this.
    Charlie, Flowers for Algernon — He’s just a retard.

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  199. @Anonymous

    Melinda Gates: Foreign aid cuts to contraceptives in Trump's budget hurt millions of women
     
    Today, in unrelated news:

    GOP-Controlled House Subcommittees Reject Trump Budget Cuts

    ... One subcommittee has rejected Trump's proposal to eliminate the $1.6 billion Food for Peace program that ships U.S.-grown food to hungry nations.
     

    Onward, Christian soldiers.

    Melinda Gates really does want to cut African fertility. She just has to walk a very narrow path in terms of always phrasing it as being instead about Female Empowerment, etc etc.

    If Trump is against contraception for Africa, maybe there is hope …

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    Her efforts in the education area in Africa and elsewhere (Arab countries?) could be productive. More informed women would in theory be less likely to want to stay down on the farm popping out more kids. Of course, getting to that stage without debt peonage problems like in Indian villages will be an obstacle.
    , @res

    If Trump is against contraception for Africa, maybe there is hope …
     
    I think Trump is smart enough to recognize the strange new respect given to everything he opposes. Do you think he is intentionally using that anywhere? Any good examples?
  200. @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. My question was: When do fictional characters who would today be considered on the autistic spectrum first show up in literature, movies, or plays? Are there any such characters in Shakespeare or Dickens?

    The Wikipedia page on the topic lists only 3 such before Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man in 1988.

    Maybe Hymie the Robot in Get Smart in the mid-1960s?

    I’m not totally well read. Here are some guesses:

    * Raskolnikov from Crime and Punishment (maybe someone else from Dostoyevsky? He had a good grasp of personalities).
    * Charlie Brown.
    * Don Quixote? (I haven’t read this.)
    * Poe wrote some stories about psychopaths. Maybe they were a little aspergery? The narrator from “A Cask of Amontillado” comes to mind.
    * Maybe Socrates from Plato’s dialogues? He’s pretty relentless, but probably not.
    * Gandalf from the Lord of the Rings. He’s not too far gone, but he’s pretty aloof. Genius overcoming natural aloofness?

    You might find lots of people who we might identify as autistic in the lists of Christian Saints. St. Thomas Aquinas comes to mind.

    My cat is autistic.

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  201. Ivy says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Melinda Gates really does want to cut African fertility. She just has to walk a very narrow path in terms of always phrasing it as being instead about Female Empowerment, etc etc.

    If Trump is against contraception for Africa, maybe there is hope ...

    Her efforts in the education area in Africa and elsewhere (Arab countries?) could be productive. More informed women would in theory be less likely to want to stay down on the farm popping out more kids. Of course, getting to that stage without debt peonage problems like in Indian villages will be an obstacle.

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  202. bomag says:
    @Kevin C.

    one should be able to have and to hold a sustainable and satisfying culture
     
    "Sustainable" until the next mega-plague. Or asteroid impact. Or nearby gamma-ray burst pointing our solar system's way. Or the final, fatal heating of the Earth as the sun goes from hydrogen to helium on it's way to the "red giant" stage. In the words of Heinlein, "The Earth is just too small and fragile a basket for the human race to keep all its eggs in."

    I presume that a proper culture would include reasonable efforts to explore space, oceans, etc.

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    Bomag, you're either confused or contradicting yourself. First you say, when talking about the collapse of industrial-age civilization

    We probably could not replicate the current mass consumer society, but one should be able to have and to hold a sustainable and satisfying culture from what nature is still able to provide.
     
    But then you contradict that with this:

    I presume that a proper culture would include reasonable efforts to explore space, oceans, etc.
     
    Is a "satisfying/proper culture" one we can produce "from what nature is still able to provide", or one that includes "reasonable efforts to explore space"?

    Because when I speak of the "Industrial revolution", I'm talking about the early 1800s. You can't get "reasonable efforts to explore space" with 1700s technology, and when I talk about losing "industrial-age technology" in Leftism's inevitable collapse, that's where I'm talking about ending up. And the resources readily extractible with 1700s tech, primarily but not exclusively fossil fuels, which got us from 1700s tech to 1800s tech, are simply no longer there. They are gone forever along with any hope of duplicating the feat. The Industrial Revolution was a once-per-planet event, and if we screw it up — as we look almost certain to do given Leftist insanity — then we will never get a second chance. Which means no hope of ever escaping this planet.

    So, is "a sustainable and satisfying culture" possible with 1700s tech, with no hope of ever again advancing further than that, which can be produced "from what nature is still able to provide"? Or is it one that allows us "reasonable efforts to explore space", which shall become forever forclosed to us if Industrial Civilization collapses as I expect it to?
  203. @The True and Original David
    Scientists detect a giant asteroid on a collision course with Earth.

    Mankind's best humanities graduates respond....

    1. "Don't be alarmed. These things come in cycles. No asteroid collision ever wiped out all life on Earth before."

    2. "Don't launch nuclear warheads on missiles to change the asteroid's course. That would be prejudice. The asteroid is made out of much the same metals and minerals that the Earth is made of. It has as much right to be in this section of the Earth's orbital circuit as Earth does."

    3. "Mineral increases from the asteroid collision will increase potential mining industry wealth, portending a significant uptick in GDP. Only the economically illiterate fear the asteroid."

    4. "Forget about sending nukes. That would require significant government coordination and expenditure, which is statism. That is against our principles."

    5. "Prayer will solve this. God will provide."

    6. "A better solution for deflecting the asteroid is solar and wind power. How can we be sure warheads sent into space will not send fallout back to the ground?"

    7. "The more welcoming we are of the asteroid, the less damage it will do to us. Don't make it angry."

    8. "Wringing our hands parsing our moral guilt and agency in this situation is the first priority. Nothing comes before punishing oneself for one's selfishness, everyone and everything else be damned."

    9. "Science says the collision will be our punishment for slavery."

    10. "The nukes we launch better be produced by enough racially and genderly diverse hands, so that the asteroid's resulting destruction will be truly a triumph for humanity, and not merely another excuse for white male frat boys to high-five each other."

    11. "Key to any solution is ensuring that women and minorities are not hardest hit."

    Was that your own work? Well done.

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    Thanks. Yes, it's all mine. I'm dissatisfied with it. It could be funnier.
  204. res says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Melinda Gates really does want to cut African fertility. She just has to walk a very narrow path in terms of always phrasing it as being instead about Female Empowerment, etc etc.

    If Trump is against contraception for Africa, maybe there is hope ...

    If Trump is against contraception for Africa, maybe there is hope …

    I think Trump is smart enough to recognize the strange new respect given to everything he opposes. Do you think he is intentionally using that anywhere? Any good examples?

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  205. Kevin C. says:
    @bomag
    I presume that a proper culture would include reasonable efforts to explore space, oceans, etc.

    Bomag, you’re either confused or contradicting yourself. First you say, when talking about the collapse of industrial-age civilization

    We probably could not replicate the current mass consumer society, but one should be able to have and to hold a sustainable and satisfying culture from what nature is still able to provide.

    But then you contradict that with this:

    I presume that a proper culture would include reasonable efforts to explore space, oceans, etc.

    Is a “satisfying/proper culture” one we can produce “from what nature is still able to provide”, or one that includes “reasonable efforts to explore space”?

    Because when I speak of the “Industrial revolution”, I’m talking about the early 1800s. You can’t get “reasonable efforts to explore space” with 1700s technology, and when I talk about losing “industrial-age technology” in Leftism’s inevitable collapse, that’s where I’m talking about ending up. And the resources readily extractible with 1700s tech, primarily but not exclusively fossil fuels, which got us from 1700s tech to 1800s tech, are simply no longer there. They are gone forever along with any hope of duplicating the feat. The Industrial Revolution was a once-per-planet event, and if we screw it up — as we look almost certain to do given Leftist insanity — then we will never get a second chance. Which means no hope of ever escaping this planet.

    So, is “a sustainable and satisfying culture” possible with 1700s tech, with no hope of ever again advancing further than that, which can be produced “from what nature is still able to provide”? Or is it one that allows us “reasonable efforts to explore space”, which shall become forever forclosed to us if Industrial Civilization collapses as I expect it to?

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    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "And the resources readily extractible with 1700s tech, primarily but not exclusively fossil fuels, which got us from 1700s tech to 1800s tech, are simply no longer there. They are gone forever along with any hope of duplicating the feat. The Industrial Revolution was a once-per-planet event"

    Dunno. If any white/yellow people have time (i.e. they're not fully occupied in civil war against black/brown people), and the geology and chemistry books survive, something could be recovered. Still plenty of coal in the UK and some of it is even near the surface (someone got killed in a semi-professional drift coal mine in South Wales a year or two back), the country is full of lead, iron, copper, tin, zinc mines that closed when imports became cheaper.

    But I take your point. And there is no guarantee that (for example) the social and economic conditions which facilitated the first Industrial Revolution will obtain. The UK of 2100 is likely to be very different from the UK of 1800 (the UK population (minus Ireland) was about 10 million in 1801, probably the number that could be supported in a pre-industrial age - and of course they were all Brits).

    , @AM

    Which means no hope of ever escaping this planet.
     
    LOL! There's no escaping Earth as a human because where ever it is we go, there we are. That's always been the problem. But if you mean space travel, yes it's difficult if we lose our current technology level, but I suspect there would be ways back. As mentioned everything that can be recycled is now conveniently near the Earth's surface.
    , @bomag

    I’m talking about ending up (with 1700s technology)
     
    As YetAnotherAnon suggested, we should be able to maintain enough knowledge base and resources to build from today's technology. Without a 15 billion person logistics tail much should be possible.
  206. Trelane says:
    @Lurker

    In some cases, such as the now-extinct Tasmanians
     
    These Tasmanians?

    data from the 2011 census indicated that nearly 20,000 people identify as Indigenous in Tasmania; making Tasmania the state with the second highest proportion of indigenous to non-indigenous people in Australia. [Wiki]

    The last full-blood Tasmanian Aboriginal died in 1905. Her name was Fanny Cochrane Smith.

    Sure, there are contemporary Tasmanians but, like Elizabeth Warren, most of their ancestors aren’t aboriginal.

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  207. @International Jew
    Wow, awesome quote, thanks.

    You can download the whole thing here. It’s outdated here and there, but still a tremendous intro to UK and US history (I gather he got a lot of postgrads to do the research), I just love his writing style.

    https://archive.org/details/TheBirthOfBritain_Churchill

    “At this point the march of invention brought a new factor upon the scene. Iron was dug and forged. Men armed with iron entered Britain from the Continent and killed the men of bronze. At this point we can plainly recognise across the vanished millenniums a fellow-being. A biped capable of slaying another with iron is evidently to modern eyes a man and a brother. It cannot be doubted that for smashing skulls, whether long-headed or round, iron is best.”

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  208. eah says:
    @Lot
    Foreign aid to Africa is not a significant source of its population growth or food supply. Its food imports are largely paid with natural resource exports.

    Thus a much more significant source of African population growth has been China's industrialization.

    A large share of African clothing is discarded clothing from the West however.

    How dependent Africa is on food aid is an open question — I believe currently subsistence is the norm rather than the exception there — so it is hard to see them keeping pace with the expected explosive population growth — as I’ve pointed out before: since Rhodesia became Zimbabwe, GDP has fallen by half while the population has doubled — ‘do the math’ on that.

    Zimbabwe’s farmers struggle to feed the nation

    Zimbabwe needs 1.8 million tonnes of the staple maize every year to meet the needs of its people and livestock. Only 798,500 tonnes were produced during the 2012/13 agricultural season. As a result, the country that was once dubbed “the breadbasket of the region” has to make up the deficit with imports and look to donors for food aid.

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  209. @Kevin C.
    Bomag, you're either confused or contradicting yourself. First you say, when talking about the collapse of industrial-age civilization

    We probably could not replicate the current mass consumer society, but one should be able to have and to hold a sustainable and satisfying culture from what nature is still able to provide.
     
    But then you contradict that with this:

    I presume that a proper culture would include reasonable efforts to explore space, oceans, etc.
     
    Is a "satisfying/proper culture" one we can produce "from what nature is still able to provide", or one that includes "reasonable efforts to explore space"?

    Because when I speak of the "Industrial revolution", I'm talking about the early 1800s. You can't get "reasonable efforts to explore space" with 1700s technology, and when I talk about losing "industrial-age technology" in Leftism's inevitable collapse, that's where I'm talking about ending up. And the resources readily extractible with 1700s tech, primarily but not exclusively fossil fuels, which got us from 1700s tech to 1800s tech, are simply no longer there. They are gone forever along with any hope of duplicating the feat. The Industrial Revolution was a once-per-planet event, and if we screw it up — as we look almost certain to do given Leftist insanity — then we will never get a second chance. Which means no hope of ever escaping this planet.

    So, is "a sustainable and satisfying culture" possible with 1700s tech, with no hope of ever again advancing further than that, which can be produced "from what nature is still able to provide"? Or is it one that allows us "reasonable efforts to explore space", which shall become forever forclosed to us if Industrial Civilization collapses as I expect it to?

    “And the resources readily extractible with 1700s tech, primarily but not exclusively fossil fuels, which got us from 1700s tech to 1800s tech, are simply no longer there. They are gone forever along with any hope of duplicating the feat. The Industrial Revolution was a once-per-planet event”

    Dunno. If any white/yellow people have time (i.e. they’re not fully occupied in civil war against black/brown people), and the geology and chemistry books survive, something could be recovered. Still plenty of coal in the UK and some of it is even near the surface (someone got killed in a semi-professional drift coal mine in South Wales a year or two back), the country is full of lead, iron, copper, tin, zinc mines that closed when imports became cheaper.

    But I take your point. And there is no guarantee that (for example) the social and economic conditions which facilitated the first Industrial Revolution will obtain. The UK of 2100 is likely to be very different from the UK of 1800 (the UK population (minus Ireland) was about 10 million in 1801, probably the number that could be supported in a pre-industrial age – and of course they were all Brits).

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  210. AM says:
    @Kevin C.

    My thought is that non-perishable materials we’ve dug up are still on the surface
     
    You forget the "coal" part. The really important parts are the fossil fuels, since burnt. But also, look up cryolite (a mineral essential to production of aluminum), and how we depleted the readily-accessable Greenland supply (which is pretty much all of it available), and have to keep recycling what we have of said cryolite. We lose that cryolite, or the ability to keep re-using it like we are…

    You forget the “coal” part

    That was what I was trying to get at with the “non-perishable” part. Just weird word usage, sorry. :) The point is that it’s not all lost forever. But agreed, there would be much difficulty in getting at petroleum based resources without our current level of technology.

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  211. AM says:
    @Kevin C.
    Bomag, you're either confused or contradicting yourself. First you say, when talking about the collapse of industrial-age civilization

    We probably could not replicate the current mass consumer society, but one should be able to have and to hold a sustainable and satisfying culture from what nature is still able to provide.
     
    But then you contradict that with this:

    I presume that a proper culture would include reasonable efforts to explore space, oceans, etc.
     
    Is a "satisfying/proper culture" one we can produce "from what nature is still able to provide", or one that includes "reasonable efforts to explore space"?

    Because when I speak of the "Industrial revolution", I'm talking about the early 1800s. You can't get "reasonable efforts to explore space" with 1700s technology, and when I talk about losing "industrial-age technology" in Leftism's inevitable collapse, that's where I'm talking about ending up. And the resources readily extractible with 1700s tech, primarily but not exclusively fossil fuels, which got us from 1700s tech to 1800s tech, are simply no longer there. They are gone forever along with any hope of duplicating the feat. The Industrial Revolution was a once-per-planet event, and if we screw it up — as we look almost certain to do given Leftist insanity — then we will never get a second chance. Which means no hope of ever escaping this planet.

    So, is "a sustainable and satisfying culture" possible with 1700s tech, with no hope of ever again advancing further than that, which can be produced "from what nature is still able to provide"? Or is it one that allows us "reasonable efforts to explore space", which shall become forever forclosed to us if Industrial Civilization collapses as I expect it to?

    Which means no hope of ever escaping this planet.

    LOL! There’s no escaping Earth as a human because where ever it is we go, there we are. That’s always been the problem. But if you mean space travel, yes it’s difficult if we lose our current technology level, but I suspect there would be ways back. As mentioned everything that can be recycled is now conveniently near the Earth’s surface.

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  212. George says:

    ‘After getting pregnant, you are done’: no more school for Tanzania’s mums-to-be

    Furious campaigners say President John Magufuli is out of touch with public opinion after he endorses law allowing state schools to expel young mothers

    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/jun/30/tanzania-president-ban-pregnant-girls-from-school-john-magufuli

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  213. donut says:
    @Eustace Tilley (not)
    This is an excellent short talk. Everyone from the disdainful to the mildly curious to the wise should find it of merit.

    I was shocked a bit when my philosophy professor at university (and a man of some moral authority: a former colonel in the Canadian Army in North Africa in WWII with a Ph.D. from the University of Berlin) told me that "Buddhism is a religion with no God." When the shock slowly wore off enough that I could think clearly about the implications of that statement (it's true, of course), I saw that believing things, though perhaps the most "spiritual" and noble things, was not enough to live a truly religious meaning connected life. Something much more fundamental was required.

    That "something" is Zen.

    Eustace Tilley (not) , they used to have weekend things at the Rochester Zen Center . Where you could go and be introduced to Zen . Sort of like a mixer in college . You might consider giving it a try . Even Nazis are welcomed as I found out .

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  214. @Cheetah
    Liberals are not responsible for population growth. Religious right must take responsibility for this stupidity.

    Liberals are not responsible for population growth. Religious right must take responsibility for this stupidity.

    Huh? The “religious right” is responsible for Africans humping? Cheetah this is just moronic.

    “Liberals”, more aptly “progressives” are entirely responsible for population growth in the West because the West has been at sub-replacement fertility for a generation and would now have blissfully stable high-quality populations but for immigration.

    As to Africa, Africans are responsible for the behavior of Africans and hence their population disaster. But 100% sure that whatever say James Dobson is saying about contraception–pro or con–the Africans aren’t listening to it. If there is an outside group that bears any responsibility for the African explosion it is in fact explicitly “liberals” and “progressives” because they took African population control off the global “to do” list of good thinkers–because it’s “racist!”–but continued to do all the goo-goo b.s.–foreign aid, food aid, clean water, medical care, etc.–that boosts their survival and helps them reproduce.

    I will ding the religious right on one issue. This insanity that it’s appropriate or “cool” or “Christian” to adopt African babies and drag them back to the US. There’s few things as depressing as seeing nominal “conservative” white people foregoing having more of their own children in order to raise African squibs and add them to our diversity disaster. If you want to bash away on the “religious right”, bash them for that horror.

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  215. @Rod1963
    Unless the U.S. Europe and Russia decide to feed Africans full time - this isn't happening. What is more likely is a economic/socially collapse( since the West is decaying) followed by mass starvation and ethnic war.

    End result, Chines come waltzing in, exterminate the Blacks and Muzzies and rule the roost.

    A fight between the Chinese and Africans isn't a fight it's a slaughter and the blacks go extinct.

    The Chinese are no fools and have experience with Africans, see Empire of Dust

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0C4_88ub_M

    End result, Chines come waltzing in, exterminate the Blacks and Muzzies and rule the roost.

    This strikes me as–in one form or another–the most likely long term outcome.

    Once the West goes down, the Chinese will be liberated from Western values “constraint”. In addition, the death of the West will be a powerful reminder/reinforcement to the Chinese to be aggressively protective of their racial/national survival.

    If the West wises up in the next generation or so–let’s hope!–regains its pride and vigor, throws up borders, tosses out foreigners, then Africa will just be quarantined and implode one way or another or its on schedule–starvation, plague, war, genocide.

    But if the West lets the Africans flood in and collapses, then either Africa implodes on its own, or–not unlikely–the Chinese–if they decide to expand their territory or simply find resource extraction to be simpler without Africans around–give it a push. (Genetically engineered virus, etc.)

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    The world is going to end up being dominated by a smart population that does eugenic fertility and (eventually) genetic enhancement. That–at present–doesn’t looked like the cowed and confused West. But it damn sure ain’t going to be the Africans.

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  216. bomag says:
    @Kevin C.
    Bomag, you're either confused or contradicting yourself. First you say, when talking about the collapse of industrial-age civilization

    We probably could not replicate the current mass consumer society, but one should be able to have and to hold a sustainable and satisfying culture from what nature is still able to provide.
     
    But then you contradict that with this:

    I presume that a proper culture would include reasonable efforts to explore space, oceans, etc.
     
    Is a "satisfying/proper culture" one we can produce "from what nature is still able to provide", or one that includes "reasonable efforts to explore space"?

    Because when I speak of the "Industrial revolution", I'm talking about the early 1800s. You can't get "reasonable efforts to explore space" with 1700s technology, and when I talk about losing "industrial-age technology" in Leftism's inevitable collapse, that's where I'm talking about ending up. And the resources readily extractible with 1700s tech, primarily but not exclusively fossil fuels, which got us from 1700s tech to 1800s tech, are simply no longer there. They are gone forever along with any hope of duplicating the feat. The Industrial Revolution was a once-per-planet event, and if we screw it up — as we look almost certain to do given Leftist insanity — then we will never get a second chance. Which means no hope of ever escaping this planet.

    So, is "a sustainable and satisfying culture" possible with 1700s tech, with no hope of ever again advancing further than that, which can be produced "from what nature is still able to provide"? Or is it one that allows us "reasonable efforts to explore space", which shall become forever forclosed to us if Industrial Civilization collapses as I expect it to?

    I’m talking about ending up (with 1700s technology)

    As YetAnotherAnon suggested, we should be able to maintain enough knowledge base and resources to build from today’s technology. Without a 15 billion person logistics tail much should be possible.

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  217. @ben tillman
    Was that your own work? Well done.

    Thanks. Yes, it’s all mine. I’m dissatisfied with it. It could be funnier.

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  218. Sure, you could probably improve it and use it again elsewhere, but this version was nonetheless well done.

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