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iSteve commenter Peterike writes:

As I look out my window, I see what will be the tallest residential tower in Queens being constructed. It will be 66 stories high with 802 condo apartments, and top out at 984 feet high. It is expected to sell out at over a billion dollars, making it the most expensive residential tower in New York outside of Manhattan, and one of the most expensive in the world. The developer of this tower is Chris Jiashu Xu.

Chinese are already deep into the NYC real estate game. Many of the smaller apartment buildings, those 8-15 story jobs that are popping up by the dozens, are also developed by Chinese developers. At the street level, there are Chinese everywhere, and not just in the Chinatowns (of which there are now three). New York is awash in Chinese, with the 2017 estimate being 628,763. But who’s kidding who? Chinese illegal immigration is huge, especially at the low end, and my bet is the real number is well over a million.

But by this point you also have a very large population of young Chinese who were either born here or came at a young enough age where they have no accents at all. Many of them still hang out with other Chinese, speaking English and doing typical hipster things like eating in fancy restaurants and beer pubs. The number of Chinese girls you see with white guys is astonishing, and has to be a significant percentage of the total number of couples. In my neighborhood, if you see a couple pushing a baby stroller, odds are about 40% that the couple is white male and Chinese female. The rest are Chinese/Chinese or white/white (I’m rolling Jewish into white of course). And my street level observation is that the better looking Chinese girls tend to be with white guys. Though there’s plenty of prosperous looking, tall Chinese young men with attractive Chinese girls. The same sexual market value rules apply. There are a lot of unattractive Chinese girls, despite all the nerd fantasies to the contrary.

Anyway, Chinese are pouring into both high-paying jobs — finance, medical, law — as well as SJW jobs — reporting, film/television, NGOs, academia, politics. As are Indians, who seem less obsessed with academic achievement but are better at climbing the greasy poll than Chinese.

My prediction is New York will get a Chinese mayor in the next 20 years, and then it will never again have a non-Chinese mayor. The city itself will flip majority Asian (mostly Chinese) within that time frame as well, unless somebody wises up and shuts off the spigot.

 
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  1. Not buying this one bit, here is why.
    1) The worlds most important graph and Chinese fertility collapse means that Chinese demographics will struggle to even keep China Chinese.
    2) The (((people))) that truly run New York do so by other means and not by voting numbers.
    3) If all those Chinese are mixing with white men, you don’t have Chinese offspring (nor white offspring).

    • Replies: @peterike

    3) If all those Chinese are mixing with white men, you don’t have Chinese offspring (nor white offspring).

     

    At the level of "look at that cute baby!" every mix I've seen registers as Chinese. Sometimes as they age they do take on a weird mixed look, but these children rarely pass for white, far as I can tell. They are obviously at least part Asian. And of course the SJW types among them will always associate with their Asian half and happily scream about "white privilege."

    However, I'm very curious about the attitudes about this among the Chinese. It seems deracinated American whites don't bat an eye about race mixing. No SWPL white feels grief that their grand-child is half Asian. But what do the Chinese feel about it?

    It doesn't seem like much parental authority is being spent on keeping their daughters away from white men. Because it's not working. Is Daddy Chang upset that his daughter is totting around a white or Jewish boyfriend? Or do they just see it as a clever business transaction?
    , @HA
    "The worlds most important graph and Chinese fertility collapse means that Chinese demographics will struggle to even keep China Chinese.

    Paul Morland pointed out in a recent interview that earlier similar fears that the Japanese would soon take over began to grip the US popular imagination right about the same time that Japan's fertility decline kicked in, which (along with the NY real estate crash) eventually put those fears to rest.

    , @attilathehen
    3) If all those Chinese are mixing with white men, you don’t have Chinese offspring (nor white offspring).

    You have Chinese offspring. John Derbysire and his Chinese family are the perfect example. The Chinese mother is busy matchmaking the son with Chinese females. The daughter will most likely marry a black guy (maybe light-skinned black Puerto Rican or Dominican Republican).

    You're just adding to the non-white population in the USA. On the upside, Chinese abortion rates are very high and China is the fastest aging country so many Chinese in the USA will go back to China.

    Derbyshire and his Chinese family are needed in China.
    , @jb
    Even if population is collapsing in China it will still be hundreds of millions, and that will still be vastly more than enough to inflate the Chinese population in NYC.

    I actually don't have a huge problem with the Chinese. I guess I'm with John Derbyshire on this one -- I see them as high performing Arctic Eurasians, and a cousin population to white Europeans. The real problem for America (and the world) is the continuing explosion of deeply diverged and low-performing sub-Saharan Africans populations, which have become hugely successful in Darwinian terms as a direct consequence of their dismal failure in civilizational terms. Talk about rewarding failure!
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    You may be right, Neutral, about NYC (I neither know nor care), but I don't agree with (1). There are 1,400,000,000 people or so in China, in an area that is not abut 60% the size of the US (don't go by the map that includes Tibet and Xinjian(?), as that is just high desert - also a huge portion of China is mountainous compared to the US).

    The Chinese government does not even want China-born Chinese people to return there to stay, if they can stop them, i.e. depending on their citizenship. Just like Japan, I think they'll be just fine with fewer people. They've been overpopulated since like, the Poontang dynasty, from my reading, and the name explains it very well!

    BTW, it's coincidental, but Japan has just about an even 10% of China's population. Upon reading about the "big" population decline there, I think it's been only a couple of million so far out of 140,000,000. Yes, I know it could accelerate, but still, it's not at all a bad thing on a few pieces of land that add up to less than the size of California, which was damnably crowded to me, even before the huge influx of illegal/legal immigrants, and now at what, 40 million people?
    , @Coemgen
    With the mixing you get "hybrid vigor." Though you also can get a combo of the creativity of a rice farmer with the diligence of a shepherd. I hope this comment is cryptic enough that anyone with anything less than the creativity of a shepherd will not "get it."
    , @Hypnotoad666
    A sizable bloc of Chinese voters is almost always a good thing for White people in the same jurisdiction. They are for law and order, meritocracy, and good schools. Plus they are immune to super-annoying white guilt complex.

    They also don't seem to have the same hyper-developed political drive as Jews in terms of controlling institutions.

    So I'd say the Yellow Peril is pretty low on the list of existential threats to traditional America.

    , @Altai

    1) The worlds most important graph and Chinese fertility collapse means that Chinese demographics will struggle to even keep China Chinese.
     
    The demographic contraction China is going through might portend that except the sheer size of China's population (And extra-China Asian ethnic diaspora) is more than enough to keep furnishing a very large number of emigrants if they're allowed.
    , @wren
    I appreciated Derbyshire's recent take on this.

    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/time-to-stop-importing-an-immigrant-overclass/

    Hopefully Steve will add more thoughts.
    , @Hail

    If all those Chinese are mixing with white men, you don’t have Chinese offspring (nor white offspring).
     
    The era of reckless, WhiteMale-AsianFemale miscegenation -- a giant, racial-sexual ponzi scheme -- may just be a passing trend.* Future generations could well look back on this era and wince at the relatively reckless levels of miscegenation, understanding that it was symbolic of something being not quite right in society.

    (Many commenters in this thread have identified parts of the unhealthiness of this phenomenon, though a fairly large fraction are themselves partakers.)

    It's probably worth saying that it's not the 'fault' of the children of such unions. It does seem likely that a 'Eurasian' racial category will emerge in earnest, before the pendulum returns its swing towards racial integrity as something valuable.

    Some of these people like to call themselves "Hapa." We may be just on the cusp of the Hapa ethnogenesis right now.

    __________

    * - Other examples of past racial-sexual trends that have turned: White Male -Amerindian Female pairings, once common in some parts of North America, are it seems today a lot less common in relative terms; White Male - Black Female pairings are, today, close to 0% if one liberally rounds down, and yet not so many generations ago we saw a huge number of such pairings on many Southern plantations. And then there is White Male - EastAsian Female, itself rare when the Chinese were making their first takeover attempt at the end of the 19th century (until the Chinese Exclusion Act secured the West Coast for European Mankind for another century and a half or more). Likewise, the White Protestant missionary families who had sons and daughters in East Asia, the child generation almost always married White, despite being surrounded on all sides by racially-local girls, this was not a 'thing' at the time.

  2. People’s Republic of China’s Special Administrative Regions:

    Hongkong
    Macau
    Vancouver
    Gwadar
    Hatamboa
    New York City (*1)

    * 1 New York City is also an Israeli Overseas District. The mayor of NYC is appointed by the Supreme Joint Council of Wall St & Chinese New Rich Money.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Hatamboa?

    Where do the Elders of Zion fit in?
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    I think the term is "concessions". The English had their Hong Kong, the Germans their Qingdao (only place making good beer), but now it's the Chinese' turn at this. I'll tell you one more BIG concession that the Chinese have occupied for a decade already - it's just that it's spread out. That is all University Graduate schools are Chinese concessions*, including the garden-apartment housing nearby- they love that shit. I think the average Chinaman thinks north Jersey is finer than the coast of California. Madness!

    .

    * See Housing Bubble 2.0 - (Part 2) - Voila, an American Dream.
  3. Better majority yellow than majority brown. Ain’t going back to the old days now…

    • Replies: @HallParvey
    Shouldn't this be called Yellow Supremacy?
    , @Anonymous
    You need to choose between a dull and tyrannical Asian city or a chaotic and violent Brown city.
    , @Anonymous Jew
    I consider myself an Anglo-American separatist and would prefer a country with a strong White majority (>90%). That said, I live in a mostly Chinese neighborhood in SF and under Chinese rule you can at least go about your daily life without being 'molested'. Yes, in China proper there's no real Western rule of law, but my experience with the American-ish Chinese isn't half bad. They're generally friendly and congenial neighbors. In fact, if it were only the Chinese in our neighborhood (ie no risk of schizophrenic homeless people wandering in) I would have no problems with my wife walking to the corner store alone at 10 pm. Needles to say, this is much, much better than my experience growing up next to a Black neighborhood and going to half Black schools.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    Absolutely. Turn Harlem into a theme park and send the POC intelligentsia packing!
  4. If you must have mass immigration, better that it be immigration that directly competes with white liberals for jobs and status.

    An immigration grand bargain that completely shuts down low-skilled immigration even in exchange for a higher number of high-skilled immigrants could set up the conditions for a net reduction in immigration a few years down the road.

    • Replies: @Endgame Napoleon
    If the choice is only between high-earning mass immigration and mass immigrantion that is dominated by welfare-eligible low earners, yes, that is a better option only if it reduces income inequality by providing more competition for high-wage jobs.

    But immigrant temp workers, brought in to displace the mid-earning citizens, do not serve that function, not even when the immigrant temps immediately reproduce, giving them an anchor into this country, even though their wages are too high to qualify them for the platter of welfare-for-womb-productivity treats.

    Womb-productive immigrant temp work do get the uphiked Trump non-refundable child tax credit, even though they remove scarce rungs from the ladder to the middle class for US citizens, like crucial job experience that can lead to better jobs.

    At the high end, high-earning immigrants might not reduce wealth concentration as much as some immigration scholars think due to 1) the wealth concentration effect of assortative mating and 2) race-biased hiring among cronyist minorities who are above critique for it due to 1) their skin pigmentation and 2) the fact that people with kids, in general, are above critique despite various forms of awful workplace behavior, like libertine absenteeism.

    What makes you think those immigrant women won’t take another scarce, high-paying job out of the economy, keeping two jobs that could support two separate households in middle-class style under one roof, rather than risking family capital to create jobs for US citizens, thereby reducing income inequality?

    Today’s affluent immigrants most certainly are not creating many jobs for US citizens as advertised. When they do create jobs, the jobs often go to family members or other immigrants.

    We would not have 95 million US citizens—ages 16 to 65–out of the labor force or a part-time worker representing the average worker in the USA if immigrants were the job-manufacturing force that they are peddled to be by the media. They may create a lot of jobs for extended family via chain migration and race-based, non-racist cronyism.

    Whether or not they marry whites, there is a lot of racist hiring & retention going on among minorites. There is probably more intermarriage among whites and Asians in the top-earning eschelon than intermarriage between Hispanics and whites at the lowest wage level, albeit more whites marry Blacks at the low end of the economic laddder.

    From a visual standpoint, you can only distinguish subtle differences between a mixed white / Asian person or a mixed white / Hispanic person and a 100%-white person after one generation of interbreeding. But that does not prevent diluted “minorities” from capitalizing on their fractional racial oppression through calculating and hypocritical use of affirmative action laws.

    Whereas, a white guy in an 80%-minority-staffed government agency would have to be the first midget to impregnate a robot to get an affirmative-action case before the SCOTUS and its coming-soon, sexual-harassment-proof robotic law clerks.

    The case of a white, male midget—denied his 12-month paid family leave for a mixed bot /human love child—might be atypical enough to span the entire range of possible discrimination complaints across the wide range of majority-minority workplaces in the USA. A midget with a half-breed robot child would be exotic enough set some serious precedent.

    But fifty years after the Civil Rights Act, and after a two-term Black POTUS, any old racism charge will do if you are a full-scale minority, a half-minority, a one-fourth minority or even a decimal-grade minority. Maybe, the broad middle class will return when white guys start breeding with attractive robots.

    , @James N. Kennett

    If you must have mass immigration, better that it be immigration that directly competes with white liberals for jobs and status.
     
    Importing another ethnic overclass is not the greatest idea. If you must have mass immigration, then the best candidates are those who match existing citizens in intelligence and temperament. Unfortunately there is not a surplus of such people who are eager to immigrate, and so it is best of all to question whether mass immigration is even necessary.
  5. I doubt it. Most likely it will end up like Vancouver – approximately 1/2 Asian at most.

    • Replies: @JerryC
    I think most people familiar with Vancouver would describe it as "Chinese-dominated".
    , @albionrevisited
    Vancouver is dominated by the Chinese and it's awful.
    , @Bruce County
    I lived in New Westminster /Burnaby for 20 years. The old joke was, what separates India from China? The Fraser River!!!. It was alot better to do business with the Asians than the dot Indians... the Pakistanis were the worst people to try and collect money from after the work was done. The Asians and Dots run the drugs and crime in Vancouver. to see a white world you had to travel towards Chilliwack and Hope, Harrison etc. You were welcomed and treated decently. Unfortunately .. thats Gods' country out that way.. camping hiking etc... and the white trash, dope smoking punks have pretty much ruined it there for the campers. I moved back to Onterrible. Not much better after 20 years absence.
  6. That tower recalls to me an article Kiko Reed posted a couple months ago, about the blooming utopia within China, with as proof, a photo of rows and rows of skyscraping apartment complexes, reminding me of the incubator towers from the movie The Matrix.

    That’s what humanity has been striving for its entire history: Prisonesque berthing cubicles filled with swarms of inconsiderate and impolite and untrusting Asiamerican worker drones, presided over by a small group of morality devoid sex/power maniacs. We should all feel so fortunate to be alive at the point where the journey is nearly complete!

    But, then again, if this new Queens apartment building isn’t out of reach of section 8, it’ll be a dumpster fire within a couple years anyway.

    • Replies: @Jack D

    inconsiderate and impolite and untrusting Asiamerican worker drones,
     
    All over the cities of Asia, millions of people live cheek by jowl in high rise apartment buildings that look a lot like the housing projects that were built in American cities after WWII. High rise towers in cities make a lot of sense in terms of land use, energy use, environmental impact, etc. In fact a lot more sense than covering the countryside for 40 miles around with 1/4 acre lots and having everyone drive their giant SUV to work downtown.

    Except that the ones in America were filled mostly with blacks who made these buildings into unlivable hellholes so that they ultimately had to be dynamited despite being in perfect structural condition.
    , @res

    But, then again, if this new Queens apartment building isn’t out of reach of section 8, it’ll be a dumpster fire within a couple years anyway.
     
    It will be interesting to see how Chinese attitudes interact with the American tendency to coddle blacks--under threat of legal sanction.
    , @peterike

    But, then again, if this new Queens apartment building isn’t out of reach of section 8, it’ll be a dumpster fire within a couple years anyway.

     

    They aren't section 8, but they do all have a percentage of "affordable" apartments (gets them major tax breaks). I can speak directly to this, at least in my building.

    I didn't even know when I moved in that it had 20% "affordable" apartments. I guess they can't tell you that because racism, but I also didn't ask. Well, I was curious about a percentage of seemingly pretty shiftless blacks who seemed to be around at all times (I work at home, so I noticed). They aren't hard-cord ghetto types, and some are obviously affluent (mostly some very clearly gay blacks), but still. Some people just didn't seem to fit the profile, economically, and then I learned about the 20%. Now, that doesn't make the apartments free or anything close, but they are rented below market value.

    In any case, it's not enough to ruin the place, but it causes certain... inconveniences. A story.

    On my floor, I suddenly started to notice a strong pot smoke smell. Fortunately, it was coming from the other end of the hall, but it was still bad. It was easy enough to, umm, smoke out the source apartment. And I mean STRONG pot smell. Like the hallway reeked of it. I can't imagine what being in the next apartment would be like. And yes, racist that I am, I had noticed the source apartment was inhabited by a young black guy.

    Well, after some days of this, the smell was reduced. I walked by his door, and there was one of those things you stick under the door to keep out drafts. My guess is the building gave it to him and insisted he use it to keep the stink in his apartment (the management company here is excellent). But that's what you get.

    And then there was the fat black lady in the gym who was sitting at one of the weight machines having a 30 minute conversation with the young black guy sitting at another weight machine. Neither working out, of course, but they felt it was perfectly within bounds to just monopolize two machines to have their conversation (which, among other things, was talking about how Trump was such a racist).

    So the lower income presence won't ruin the place, but it definitely comes with its share of small indignities you have to live with.

    PS - My building is owned, as are many others around here, by a family of Persian Jews.
    , @Dave from Oz

    the blooming utopia within China, with as proof, a photo of rows and rows of skyscraping apartment complexes,
     
    They're empty. China is in the middle of the biggest real-estate scam in history. The apartments are bought as investments. Even better, never-furninshed apartments sell for more than ones people have lived in, so the people that buy those investment properties in the sky leave them scrupulously bare concrete. Of course, that concrete is typical chinesium. Built quick, built cheap. Falling apart from the moment it's poured.
  7. Well, if it means more massage parlors you can count me in Baby.

    But they are proliferating even in my post-industrial midwest city so events on the coast do not affect me much.

    • LOL: George Taylor
  8. Your prediction doesn’t consider one important fact: people who grow up in NYC leave NYC.

    I grew up in an immigrant family in NYC with 13 cousins. Out of the 13 of us 11 have left. Only 2 are left in NYC. I suspect low birth rates with emigration to suburbs will have the same effect on Chinese population in NYC.

    One under-noticed demographic are Bangladeshis. They are already dominating housing projects in certain areas, govt jobs and public schools.

    However they are more like Puerto Ricans, rather than Chinese, they will stick around as a NYC underclass for a long time.

    Indian immigrants seem to prefer get out NYC as soon as possible for leafy suburbs. The American-born Indians you see in NYC are more like white hipsters/gentrifiers. They were raised in affluent suburban communities.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    'Bangladeshis...are .... dominating housing projects'.

    Really, I've never ever understood the rationale of importing immigrants only for them to immediately suckle on the public dime.

    Basically all you're doing is importing a liability that never existed before - or to be blunter, burning taxpayers' money.
    , @Triumph104
    Bangladeshi are now a significant percentage of New York City's specialized high schools.

    “Over 10% of the students from Stuyvesant, Bronx Science, and Brooklyn Tech are Khan’s Tutorial students, mostly South-Asian Americans, the fastest growing community in NYC. Due to the success of Khan’s Tutorial, Bengali is the second most non-English language spoken at home for students attending the Specialized High Schools,” said Dr. Ivan Khan, CEO & President of Khan’s Tutorial.

    https://www.khanstutorial.com/kt-sutphin/2016/4/2/khans-tutorial-congratulates-335-students-who-have-gained-admission-to-nycs-specialized-high-schools
     
    https://insideschools.org/news-&-views/more-bangladeshi-students-test-into-elite-schools
    http://bronxink.org/2014/10/20/27031-bangladeshi-families-prep-for-controversial-high-school-exam/
    , @Clyde

    One under-noticed demographic are Bangladeshis. They are already dominating housing projects in certain areas, govt jobs and public schools.
     
    I know this clearly. One day before the 911 attacks the NY Times featured a Queens based Bangladeshi activist bragging how there were two hundred thousand Bangladeshi illegals in NYC and that no one could stop this tide. Anyone who has access to old NYTimes can find this and post it.
    _________________

    Illegal immigrants, including 50,000 Bangladeshis, in New ...
    https://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2015/01/13/illegal-immigrants...
    More than half a million illegal immigrants including over 50,000 Bangladeshis living in New York City are going to receive Municipal Identification Card to access key city services previously ...

  9. There’s lots of unattractive Chinese girls? The devil you say!😇

    • Replies: @anonymous
    in my experience the ratio in China for attractive/non-attractive women is, just like the ratio in the USA, around 90-10 for the group of non-obese women in their early 30s.

    no big country can really do better than that ratio, for obvious reasons. The biggest reason is that ugly people like to have sex with each other and have babies, and nobody should want to stop them from doing so, but there are several other almost as obvious reasons . Lots of women are not interested in being beautiful is a big factor in the First World for one set of reasons, and in the Third World lots of women are unable or uninterested in doing what women do to stay attractive - they are poor and the men for whom they would want to be beautiful are fairly repulsive - incentives matter.

    Some small countries - Thailand, Iceland, and Mormonland (if it were a country) in the west of the USA - may do a little better than 90/10, and places like Scotland and England and Ceylon do a little worse - but there are all sorts of reasons why most women, almost everywhere, are good looking in their 20s and early 30s.

    If you are interested in this subject, consider the differences among the various ethnic groups who live in Hawaii.

    That being said, my reasoning so far does not contend with obesity. If you factor in obesity as a negative, which is the compassionate thing to do when discussing such matters in a forum that is read by men who do not want an obese wife, we all know which countries fall way below that ratio of 90/10. As for me, I am not bothered much by 20 or 30 extra pounds on a woman but even I notice these things.

    And meth and opioids really impact attractiveness in both sexes, and meth and opioids and similar drugs are used a lot more in some places than others.

    Alcohol does not tend to affect womens' looks much until they are middle-aged, by the way. If we are talking about women in their 40s, though, alcohol abuse is a big factor way too often.

  10. @MikeatMikedotMike
    That tower recalls to me an article Kiko Reed posted a couple months ago, about the blooming utopia within China, with as proof, a photo of rows and rows of skyscraping apartment complexes, reminding me of the incubator towers from the movie The Matrix.

    That's what humanity has been striving for its entire history: Prisonesque berthing cubicles filled with swarms of inconsiderate and impolite and untrusting Asiamerican worker drones, presided over by a small group of morality devoid sex/power maniacs. We should all feel so fortunate to be alive at the point where the journey is nearly complete!

    But, then again, if this new Queens apartment building isn't out of reach of section 8, it'll be a dumpster fire within a couple years anyway.

    inconsiderate and impolite and untrusting Asiamerican worker drones,

    All over the cities of Asia, millions of people live cheek by jowl in high rise apartment buildings that look a lot like the housing projects that were built in American cities after WWII. High rise towers in cities make a lot of sense in terms of land use, energy use, environmental impact, etc. In fact a lot more sense than covering the countryside for 40 miles around with 1/4 acre lots and having everyone drive their giant SUV to work downtown.

    Except that the ones in America were filled mostly with blacks who made these buildings into unlivable hellholes so that they ultimately had to be dynamited despite being in perfect structural condition.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Makes sense to who? Central planners?

    I'll take my 1/4 acre and pickup truck, thanks. I'll leave you the former, more sensible option. :)
    , @Jimi
    NYT published a ridiculous article that claimed Howard Schultz grew up in the "country club of housing projects."

    But it was correct in one sense. Growing up, like Howard Schultz, in a Jewish housing project based on 1950s values is probably not that different from growing up middle class. Growing up in a black housing project sucks.
    , @AnotherDad

    All over the cities of Asia, millions of people live cheek by jowl in high rise apartment buildings that look a lot like the housing projects that were built in American cities after WWII. High rise towers in cities make a lot of sense in terms of land use, energy use, environmental impact, etc. In fact a lot more sense than covering the countryside for 40 miles around with 1/4 acre lots and having everyone drive their giant SUV to work downtown.
     
    Who cares?

    My birthright as an American was supposed to not have to live like an Asian.

    The low population density was a feature. A great feature! And absent all the--logically\mathematically insane and suicidal--"nation of immigrants!" bullshit, that's what we'd still have.
    , @Bill Jones
    Who cares what the Asians do?
    , @athEIst
    So you've been to the Pruitt-Igoe site in St. Louis.
    , @Captain Tripps

    High rise towers in cities make a lot of sense in terms of land use, energy use, environmental impact, etc. In fact a lot more sense than covering the countryside for 40 miles around with 1/4 acre lots and having everyone drive their giant SUV to work downtown.
     
    High rise towers in dense clusters make sense if your ultimate end state is to scale humanity up into the Borg collective, consuming and "assimilating" everything in its path. But, since all available evidence so far points to the fact that this fragile little blue marble, with its finite carrying capacity in ALL resources available (from breathable air to basic materials to build those high rises, and etc.) we depend on for continued existence (not to mention we have to share those resources with the rest of the biosphere), implies an optimum carrying capacity of human beings, an appropriate balance, if you will. I don't know where we are with that, but the current aesthetic value of the ever increasing urban spreads around the planet indicates to me that we aren't far away.

    Hmmm. From Jim Bridger, Davy Crockett and Liver-Eating Johnson to high-rise hive collective dwelling spaces for the drones, while the sociopathic king and queen bees get to rape and pillage the collective as they see fit, in a little less than 250 years. I'm...not seeing the improvement here...
  11. I doubt this, but it’s a better scenario than a lot of other ethnic transformation possibilities

    • Replies: @Abelard Lindsey
    I agree. The one thing we can say about the Chinese as a people is that they tend to be an intelligent, competent race. So I have no problem with them becoming a dominate influence in NYC.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    Will this mean that rising housing costs will force Tee Hee Coates out of his Brooklyn sanctuary, where he pens his diarrhetic essays and crappy comics that don't sell? Perhaps he can find a black space with one of his wealthy white benefactors.
    , @MBlanc46
    Better for whom? Not for Americans.
  12. @Another German Reader
    People's Republic of China's Special Administrative Regions:

    Hongkong
    Macau
    Vancouver
    Gwadar
    Hatamboa
    New York City (*1)


    * 1 New York City is also an Israeli Overseas District. The mayor of NYC is appointed by the Supreme Joint Council of Wall St & Chinese New Rich Money.

    Hatamboa?

    Where do the Elders of Zion fit in?

    • Replies: @Another German Reader
    mea culpa: Hambantota Port

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magampura_Mahinda_Rajapaksa_Port
  13. @nglaer
    I doubt this, but it's a better scenario than a lot of other ethnic transformation possibilities

    I agree. The one thing we can say about the Chinese as a people is that they tend to be an intelligent, competent race. So I have no problem with them becoming a dominate influence in NYC.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    Our Chinese overlords will be doing the dominating that white Americans just won’t do.
    , @TTSSYF
    I work with several Chinese people (immigrants), and every one of them is intelligent and with a lively and charming personality. However, I don't care about that. They ARE taking jobs and spaces at top universities from native-born Americans. Of what good is citizenship with this allowed?

    I want to live in a majority-white country, even if the average IQ is only 100, and visit China when I want to experience Chinese culture and people. I don't want China here. I don't care about hybrid vigor to that extent any more than I want to see my pure-bred poodle breed with a pure-bred chow. I'd be satisfied with the hybrid vigor attained from having it breed with a poodle from the other side of the U.S. and have it still look like a poodle and with a poodle's personality.

    It may be that this was destined to be the future of America...to lose its majority white-European population and become a mix of every race, color, and creed from around the world. But we didn't make it any less likely by foolishly importing Africans as slaves, which led to the civil rights acts and dramatic change in the immigration laws in the 1960s, with the latter excelerating in the 1980s and beyond. Even though it means I'm as old as I am, I'm glad I was aware of what America used to be like in the early 1960s. Yes, a lot of things were worse (hurricanes were named exclusively for women, because you never knew what either was going to do), but so much was better. I don't think it's merely nostalgia or the hazy, fond memories of childhood that make me feel that way.

  14. @Jack D
    I doubt it. Most likely it will end up like Vancouver - approximately 1/2 Asian at most.

    I think most people familiar with Vancouver would describe it as “Chinese-dominated”.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    This, but at least he had a good reason to bring up a nineteenth century pamphlet that nobody reads. Oh wait, he didn't.
  15. Anonymous[382] • Disclaimer says:

    …and I always thought that Vancouver was the Chinese entrepot of choice.

    Several observations:

    Firstly, as long as the USA runs a huge trade deficit with China, the USA is obliged by the laws of basic basic economics to offer huge purchases of real estate to China.
    Secondly, knowing the endemic criminality of NYC, perpetrated by certain subsections if its ‘ethnic minority’ population, it is difficult to envision the oh so rational Chinese, with their well known penchant for order, cleanliness and good housekeeping etc seriously taking to NYC.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    They are among the most corrupt people on earth. Without even the pretext of some psuedo religous morality. Particularly relativist among overseas chinese.
    , @res

    Firstly, as long as the USA runs a huge trade deficit with China, the USA is obliged by the laws of basic basic economics to offer huge purchases of real estate to China.
     
    I wonder how this process will compare to a similar phenomenon with respect to Japan in the 1980s? IIRC that ended up being the equivalent of lighting a great deal of Japanese money on fire.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/japans-eighties-america-buying-spree-2014-9
    , @Logan
    You may be confusing the Chinese with the Japanese. At least some Chinese are not known for cleanliness or order.
    , @Thinker

    ...it is difficult to envision the oh so rational Chinese, with their well known penchant for order, cleanliness and good housekeeping etc seriously taking to NYC.
     
    Ever been to Chinatown in NYC, or DC, or SF, or...anywhere? They are always dirty and run down.
  16. @MikeatMikedotMike
    That tower recalls to me an article Kiko Reed posted a couple months ago, about the blooming utopia within China, with as proof, a photo of rows and rows of skyscraping apartment complexes, reminding me of the incubator towers from the movie The Matrix.

    That's what humanity has been striving for its entire history: Prisonesque berthing cubicles filled with swarms of inconsiderate and impolite and untrusting Asiamerican worker drones, presided over by a small group of morality devoid sex/power maniacs. We should all feel so fortunate to be alive at the point where the journey is nearly complete!

    But, then again, if this new Queens apartment building isn't out of reach of section 8, it'll be a dumpster fire within a couple years anyway.

    But, then again, if this new Queens apartment building isn’t out of reach of section 8, it’ll be a dumpster fire within a couple years anyway.

    It will be interesting to see how Chinese attitudes interact with the American tendency to coddle blacks–under threat of legal sanction.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    It will be interesting to see how Chinese attitudes interact with the American tendency to coddle blacks–under threat of legal sanction.
     
    “Hey, hey, hey, this is library” vs. “Go back to Beijing!”
  17. @Chrisnonymous
    Better majority yellow than majority brown. Ain't going back to the old days now...

    Shouldn’t this be called Yellow Supremacy?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "Shouldn’t this be called Yellow Supremacy?"

    Jews: Fellow Whites

    Chinese: Yellow Whites
  18. @Jack D

    inconsiderate and impolite and untrusting Asiamerican worker drones,
     
    All over the cities of Asia, millions of people live cheek by jowl in high rise apartment buildings that look a lot like the housing projects that were built in American cities after WWII. High rise towers in cities make a lot of sense in terms of land use, energy use, environmental impact, etc. In fact a lot more sense than covering the countryside for 40 miles around with 1/4 acre lots and having everyone drive their giant SUV to work downtown.

    Except that the ones in America were filled mostly with blacks who made these buildings into unlivable hellholes so that they ultimately had to be dynamited despite being in perfect structural condition.

    Makes sense to who? Central planners?

    I’ll take my 1/4 acre and pickup truck, thanks. I’ll leave you the former, more sensible option. 🙂

    • Agree: JMcG
  19. Anonymous[244] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    Better majority yellow than majority brown. Ain't going back to the old days now...

    You need to choose between a dull and tyrannical Asian city or a chaotic and violent Brown city.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Agree.

    Adopted diverse Child Fatally Shoots His White “Parents”

    CBS Local:

    A man has died after allegedly being shot by an 11-year-old in Alton, New Hampshire, on Friday morning.

    Officials say 50-year-old Lizette Eckert was shot and killed Friday morning on her property in Alton. Her husband, James, was shot and critically injured. James Eckert died Friday night.

    After an autopsy on Lizette Eckert, the New Hampshire chief medical examiner confirmed the cause of death was a single gunshot wound to the head and ruled the case a homicide. James Eckert will be autopsied Monday.

    An 11-year-old is arrested and charged with the crime.

    Family friends tell WBZ the couple and their three kids moved to Alton, New Hampshire, from Maine just a few years ago. They have one daughter and two sons and home-schooled all their children on the family farm.

    Many of the details in this case will not become public because a juvenile is charged with the crime.

    https://nypost.com/2019/03/18/11-year-old-boy-arrested-for-fatally-shooting-married-couple/


     

  20. Well if our new Chinese overlords don’t bash me over the head for $5 or stab me because I looked at them funny on the subway, I’m willing to consider this. Especially since there are plenty of non-Chinese who would do those things to me today. Bonus: $1000/mo from Yang. Secure the bag and we can sort out the details later.

  21. @Jack D

    inconsiderate and impolite and untrusting Asiamerican worker drones,
     
    All over the cities of Asia, millions of people live cheek by jowl in high rise apartment buildings that look a lot like the housing projects that were built in American cities after WWII. High rise towers in cities make a lot of sense in terms of land use, energy use, environmental impact, etc. In fact a lot more sense than covering the countryside for 40 miles around with 1/4 acre lots and having everyone drive their giant SUV to work downtown.

    Except that the ones in America were filled mostly with blacks who made these buildings into unlivable hellholes so that they ultimately had to be dynamited despite being in perfect structural condition.

    NYT published a ridiculous article that claimed Howard Schultz grew up in the “country club of housing projects.”

    But it was correct in one sense. Growing up, like Howard Schultz, in a Jewish housing project based on 1950s values is probably not that different from growing up middle class. Growing up in a black housing project sucks.

  22. The down fall of asian communities in the western world is the same as in Asia, corruption. I am basing this on Hawaii which is the most Asian enclave in a western country. We may have high IQ asians but none of our government services work worth a damn. The brown Asians: phillipinos, samoans etc are not better off under Asian rule, they did just as well under the Missionaries. (I cant support that statement but would love too.) Asian democracy suffers because Asians have poor impulse control, the impulse to be corrupt is the same impulse that makes them gamble and be bad drivers. The good side of the impulse /gamble compulsion is they want to start small businesses. I think high IQ low impulse control could be a good thing, or a thing, a pattern. Low IQ / low impulse control is a disaster.

    dont expect Asians to become republicans. Half the Asians, the male half, see themselves as losers to whites, they may have good jobs and money but the high SMV girls go to the more masculine men of other races. That is why they vote like blacks as far as I can see. If Asians become republicans expect the Republican politicians to favor open borders with Asia.

    • Replies: @anonymous

    dont expect Asians to become republicans. Half the Asians, the male half, see themselves as losers to whites, they may have good jobs and money but the high SMV girls go to the more masculine men of other races. That is why they vote like blacks as far as I can see. If Asians become republicans expect the Republican politicians to favor open borders with Asia.
     
    In Hawaii the rate of intermarriage/dating between Asian men and women looks even.
    , @anonymous
    NYC's Chinese community is quite corrupt. Guess they fit in with the rest.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/12/the-accused-jiayang-fan
    , @Paleo Liberal
    This also disproves the idea that once there is an Asian mayor of NYC, there will never again be a non-Asian mayor.

    The 5 main elected offices in Hawaii — Governor, 2 Senators, 2 Congressmen, and Mayor of Honolulu — have switched back and forth among the races.

    For example, of the 8 Governors, 4 have been white, 3 Asian and 1 Native Hawaiian.

    I lived in Hawaii briefly almost 40 years ago. I think at that time the Governor and both Senators were Asian, as was at least one Congressman. The Mayor of Honolulu was white.

    Weird but true — a friend of a friend, one of the most radical left-wing attorneys in Honolulu, got the Republican nomination for mayor while I was there. He was from the Midwest, which used to have left wing Republicans. I went to his birthday party around the time he announced, and a lot of people thought the story he was running as a Republican was a joke. I remember some very drunk Native Hawaiians apologizing all night for their error.
    , @Thinker

    If Asians become republicans expect the Republican politicians to favor open borders with Asia.
     
    Trump has mentioned at least 4 times in the last 2 months that he wants to vastly increase immigration from Asia, mostly from India, since they take up 85% of the H1b visa. GOP just loves those Indian scammers, even if 90% of them vote (D). Ann Coulter was right, the Republican party really is the stupid party.
    , @Thinker
    Mazie Hirono (D) from HI is one of the dumbest bimbos in congress. Ted Lieu from CA is not much better. Indian politicians are just as bad --Pramila Jayapal, Kamala Harris, Nikki Haley, Kshama Sawant(Seattle city council member, a total socialist nutjob), all are dumb as door knobs. Maybe only the dumb Asians run for office. The smart ones are more interested in making money.
    , @Anonymous

    The brown Asians: phillipinos, samoans etc are not better off under Asian rule, they did just as well under the Missionaries
     
    Several Filipinos have told me the Philippines were much better off under American control. Such is the nature of White “exploitation”.
    , @zapa
    "Asians have poor impulse control" - they do? first time I've heard of this...
    , @Mr McKenna
    Asians tend toward corruption but then so do most third-worlders. By 'most' of course I mean 'nearly all'. Out of the top 20 least corrupt nations on earth only one (Japan) is Asian, not counting of course the city-state of Singapore.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index#2012%E2%80%932018
    , @Anonymous Jew
    Asian voting patterns have fluctuated more than any other race over the past few decades (recall they were Republican in the 80s). There's a lot to unpack there, obviously (eg who is counted as "Asian). I think the main problem is that our country is now too Balkanized - hence the coalition of the fringes. A smaller Fancy Asian minority in a confident, White-majority country can be - and was - right of center. But in our new Brazilica...who knows.
  23. My prediction is New York will get a Chinese mayor in the next 20 years, and then it will never again have a non-Chinese mayor.

    You might be quite right about the increasing Chinese presence in NYC, and the eventual election of a Chinese mayor. But as for your use of the phrase ‘never again’, any reader of this site should know to never use the word never.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    You might be quite right about the increasing Chinese presence in NYC, and the eventual election of a Chinese mayor. But as for your use of the phrase ‘never again’, any reader of this site should know to never use the word never.

    If the Democrats get one of their own elected President, and he/she signs "comprehensive immigration reform" there is a very good likelihood that America will never again elected a Republican President.
    , @TTSSYF
    True, one should be very careful when using the terms "never" or "always". But I feel pretty safe in saying that the U.S., once the white population in America becomes a minority, it will never become a majority again, short of war or revolution.
  24. @Chrisnonymous
    Better majority yellow than majority brown. Ain't going back to the old days now...

    I consider myself an Anglo-American separatist and would prefer a country with a strong White majority (>90%). That said, I live in a mostly Chinese neighborhood in SF and under Chinese rule you can at least go about your daily life without being ‘molested’. Yes, in China proper there’s no real Western rule of law, but my experience with the American-ish Chinese isn’t half bad. They’re generally friendly and congenial neighbors. In fact, if it were only the Chinese in our neighborhood (ie no risk of schizophrenic homeless people wandering in) I would have no problems with my wife walking to the corner store alone at 10 pm. Needles to say, this is much, much better than my experience growing up next to a Black neighborhood and going to half Black schools.

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    Absolutely, the Chinese "benevolent dictator" model is an easy model to live within. Anarchy is a bitch. The old Chinese curse: may you live in uncertain times, has "some legs."
    , @dwb
    "Needles to say"

    In San Francisco, I would bet that that was a Freudian slip rather than a typo.
    , @Colin Wright
    '...Needles to say, this is much, much better than my experience growing up next to a Black neighborhood and going to half Black schools.'

    Blacks do wonders for one's sense of perspective.

    I lived for a year in rural Hawaii, where whites love to bitch about the 'locals' (everyone who isn't white). Yeah, there can be issues, but compared to blacks, Hawaiian Locals are...cute.

  25. @neutral
    Not buying this one bit, here is why.
    1) The worlds most important graph and Chinese fertility collapse means that Chinese demographics will struggle to even keep China Chinese.
    2) The (((people))) that truly run New York do so by other means and not by voting numbers.
    3) If all those Chinese are mixing with white men, you don't have Chinese offspring (nor white offspring).

    3) If all those Chinese are mixing with white men, you don’t have Chinese offspring (nor white offspring).

    At the level of “look at that cute baby!” every mix I’ve seen registers as Chinese. Sometimes as they age they do take on a weird mixed look, but these children rarely pass for white, far as I can tell. They are obviously at least part Asian. And of course the SJW types among them will always associate with their Asian half and happily scream about “white privilege.”

    However, I’m very curious about the attitudes about this among the Chinese. It seems deracinated American whites don’t bat an eye about race mixing. No SWPL white feels grief that their grand-child is half Asian. But what do the Chinese feel about it?

    It doesn’t seem like much parental authority is being spent on keeping their daughters away from white men. Because it’s not working. Is Daddy Chang upset that his daughter is totting around a white or Jewish boyfriend? Or do they just see it as a clever business transaction?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    If might be a pointer, but the USA's legacy Japanese population, which arrived in the early 20th century, has more or less vanished - blended into the mass of American whites by rates of intermarriage greater than 50%.
    , @SimpleSong
    Not an expert, but my two cents--I've had two nephews marry Asian girls. I tried to get some of this info out of them in a discreet way without ruining Thanksgiving. I found out:

    1.) Parents don't care if they marry white guys because they consider western culture to be reasonably functional. I mean the kids grow up practicing Bach 6 hours a day so clearly they don't have contempt for westerners. However parents would flip out if they brought home a black guy.

    2.) On our side of the family, my brother really didn't care, my sister in law seemed slightly perturbed but nothing too bad. I think it was the same deal for them.

    3.) Asian girls are just killin' it in the dating/marriage market. They have access to the top cohort of both the whites and Asians. I think the high AF outmarriage rates are just because they can get whomever the heck they want. I think this is because WF have damaged their brand, so to speak, by things like pussy hat marches. I don't think WF realize how off putting stuff like that is to most men. You don't want to come home at the end of a long day to someone who seems to prioritize abstract social causes over the immediate family, or views you as 'the enemy.'

    4.) My 5 grand-nephews range from looking mostly asian to looking like dark haired whites. Two of them just look like darker haired Bavarians to me. None of them look totally Asian because they all have brown hair, although it will probably darken with age.
    , @Abe

    However, I’m very curious about the attitudes about this among the Chinese. It seems deracinated American whites don’t bat an eye about race mixing. No SWPL white feels grief that their grand-child is half Asian. But what do the Chinese feel about it?
     
    In general and the world over, women want men substantially bigger/taller than themselves. We are friends with a family that unfortunately got divorced recently- my wife chose to remain chummy with the woman (and I am fine with that, not ever really getting to know the man, or like much of what I saw when I did for that matter) and so I get frequent updates on the gay divorcée ‘s new dating life. She a blonde HB8 (7.7 to be completely accurate) and so probably has her pick of men, but according to what’s relayed to me her top priority is finding a new man at least as tall as her ~6’5” ex. So anyway, many more walking tower-of-beef Gronk’s among the European-descended population than their own.

    Also, back when we were still only engaged, I took my wife to an intra-Ivy local alumni picnic. There was a nice Chinese/Taiwanese gent there with his mom, and mom was macking all over my sweetie, talking about how one of the early Presidents of Taiwan had a Russian ballerina wife, how cute mixed Eurasian babies looked, etc. So that’s my anecdotal evidence- Asian females (maybe males, I don’t know) think mixed grandkids will look awfully cute, and I’d have to agree they usually do.

    , @Jamie_NYC
    Let me tell you something about these topics (I’m married to a Chinese woman and we have two kids):

    - the kids definitely do not look Chinese (nor do they look white). Boys tend to look kind of mixed, not very masculine facial features. That’s why i expect my son to one day marry an Asian girl. The girls can be very, very beautiful, by universal acclaim. I would bet my daughter will one day marry a white guy.

    - Chinese don’t seem to mind mixed marriages. It’s as if they only care about gene propagation. In Eastern Europe, Chinese couples give their children local names, kids learn the local language, etc. How young Chinese men feel when they see mixed couples (white guy, Asian girl) I can only guess.
    , @WowJustWow
    It’s good for the Jews — they get all the Chinese food they can eat.
    , @MiscegenationNation

    At the level of “look at that cute baby!” every mix I’ve seen registers as Chinese.
     
    My experience (White male, East Asian wife, litter of mongrel pups), this is true ... for whites. For Asians, it's just the opposite -- mixed kids register as white, or at the very least, obviously not Asian. Universally, they register as cute, though, because they are. And I'm not just being a proud papa talking about my own kids, the Asian-white mix is basically nature's photo-shop, it's God using the blur feature.

    I agree with the other white dad on here, the mix tends to work out better for the girls. But I think physical stature is the bigger problem for guys, rather than physical appearance. Look at Dean Cain or Daniel Henney - both 6 feet plus, both athletic and look like they spend time in the gym, so even though both (especially Henney) are also obviously part Asian, they are Hollywood action stars/sex symbols.
    , @Don't Look at Me
    This is what Weihan thinks about interracial relationships:

    https://twitter.com/liangweihan4/status/1102273933611593731

    https://twitter.com/liangweihan4/status/1103310922393759745

    Grandparent cry

    https://twitter.com/liangweihan4/status/1100584917635919872
  26. @IHTG
    If you must have mass immigration, better that it be immigration that directly competes with white liberals for jobs and status.

    An immigration grand bargain that completely shuts down low-skilled immigration even in exchange for a higher number of high-skilled immigrants could set up the conditions for a net reduction in immigration a few years down the road.

    If the choice is only between high-earning mass immigration and mass immigrantion that is dominated by welfare-eligible low earners, yes, that is a better option only if it reduces income inequality by providing more competition for high-wage jobs.

    But immigrant temp workers, brought in to displace the mid-earning citizens, do not serve that function, not even when the immigrant temps immediately reproduce, giving them an anchor into this country, even though their wages are too high to qualify them for the platter of welfare-for-womb-productivity treats.

    Womb-productive immigrant temp work do get the uphiked Trump non-refundable child tax credit, even though they remove scarce rungs from the ladder to the middle class for US citizens, like crucial job experience that can lead to better jobs.

    At the high end, high-earning immigrants might not reduce wealth concentration as much as some immigration scholars think due to 1) the wealth concentration effect of assortative mating and 2) race-biased hiring among cronyist minorities who are above critique for it due to 1) their skin pigmentation and 2) the fact that people with kids, in general, are above critique despite various forms of awful workplace behavior, like libertine absenteeism.

    What makes you think those immigrant women won’t take another scarce, high-paying job out of the economy, keeping two jobs that could support two separate households in middle-class style under one roof, rather than risking family capital to create jobs for US citizens, thereby reducing income inequality?

    Today’s affluent immigrants most certainly are not creating many jobs for US citizens as advertised. When they do create jobs, the jobs often go to family members or other immigrants.

    We would not have 95 million US citizens—ages 16 to 65–out of the labor force or a part-time worker representing the average worker in the USA if immigrants were the job-manufacturing force that they are peddled to be by the media. They may create a lot of jobs for extended family via chain migration and race-based, non-racist cronyism.

    Whether or not they marry whites, there is a lot of racist hiring & retention going on among minorites. There is probably more intermarriage among whites and Asians in the top-earning eschelon than intermarriage between Hispanics and whites at the lowest wage level, albeit more whites marry Blacks at the low end of the economic laddder.

    From a visual standpoint, you can only distinguish subtle differences between a mixed white / Asian person or a mixed white / Hispanic person and a 100%-white person after one generation of interbreeding. But that does not prevent diluted “minorities” from capitalizing on their fractional racial oppression through calculating and hypocritical use of affirmative action laws.

    Whereas, a white guy in an 80%-minority-staffed government agency would have to be the first midget to impregnate a robot to get an affirmative-action case before the SCOTUS and its coming-soon, sexual-harassment-proof robotic law clerks.

    The case of a white, male midget—denied his 12-month paid family leave for a mixed bot /human love child—might be atypical enough to span the entire range of possible discrimination complaints across the wide range of majority-minority workplaces in the USA. A midget with a half-breed robot child would be exotic enough set some serious precedent.

    But fifty years after the Civil Rights Act, and after a two-term Black POTUS, any old racism charge will do if you are a full-scale minority, a half-minority, a one-fourth minority or even a decimal-grade minority. Maybe, the broad middle class will return when white guys start breeding with attractive robots.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    If the choice is only between high-earning mass immigration and mass immigrantion that is dominated by welfare-eligible low earners, yes, that is a better option only if it reduces income inequality by providing more competition for high-wage jobs.
     
    Why would anyone consider that to be a good thing?
    , @Alden
    Wouldn’t it be better to reduce income inequality by reducing the number of low skilled workers thus raising their wages instead of increasing the number of high skilled workers thus lowering wages for high skilled workers ?
  27. This commenter is having you on.

    I live in NY. Outside Flushing and Chinatown you see few Chinese. Williamsburg, the hippest area in town, is incredibly white, as is most of the trendy Brooklyn hoods like Park Slope, Cobble Hill, etc.

    Rare to see Asians there. Even rarer are Asian-white couples. I often remark that at the trendy bars and clubs in Brooklyn or Soho or LES, its nearly all white, with maybe a sprinkling of Asians, unlike the West Coast. I think Asians frequent the hip-hop clubs in Manhattan – I wouldn’t know as I never go to these places, but I sometimes see them standing on lines.

    Chinese in NY often tend to much lower class than the West Coast also. Really a completely different element.

    Unlike the West Coast, NY is remarkably white and non-Asian.

    I think there is emerging a new syndrome among certain white people – Chinese derangement syndrome.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Unlike the West Coast, NY is remarkably white and non-Asian.
     
    I think you're having us on. Midtown Manhattan has 5-10 times the Asians it had 30 years ago, certainly more than 10% of the people you see these days.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    " ... Chinese derangement syndrome."

    Nothing wrong with a little yellow fever. It's best to try to get along with the new master race.
    , @Lot
    “Chinese in NY often tend to much lower class than the West Coast also.”

    My observation too. I think the poor/illegal Chinese migrants favor NY, while much of our migration goes like this: Rich or upper middle class Dad buys California RE for cash, moves wife and kids there, stays in China until he’s ready to retire or the police state starts to scare him. They may then chain migrate their middle class relatives, though Chinese families are so small that there isn’t too much chain migration.
    , @Daniel H
    I live in NY. Outside Flushing and Chinatown you see few Chinese.

    I've lived most of my life in New York too, and you are so wrong dude. Peterike is right. Chinese are EVERYWHERE in New York. Park Slop? Maybe not overwhelmed (yet), but just travel a few blocks south along 3, 4, 5, 6 avenues to Sunset Park. A Brooklyn chinatown. The Chinese are even squeezing the Guidos out of Bensonhurst. You've got to get out more (anyway, what are you doing hanging around Williamsburg? It's a SWPL Potemkin village, if there ever was one).

    And this White male/Chinese female thing. Chinese don't act out, but there is simmering rage over this. Though, told to me by an Asian business partner, most Asian men consider white men who mate up with Asian women to be losers. They can't get a white girl, so they choose a lower status Asian women, notwithstanding beauty and intelligence. Asian men are honest in their assessment of social ranking. They frankly acknowledge that the USA is a white country (for the time) and only a loser white man would go for the second rate.
    , @Jilla
    There may not be many asians or asian/white couples in the hipster neighborhoods of Brooklyn. I cant see there being many asian hipsters. But there are tons of mixed couples in the professional areas of Manhattan (upper west, upper east, midtown east). Junior jobs on wall street and in law are increasingly being taken by asians as white millennials are viewed as too high maintenance. In 30 years, asians are going to be the power in nyc.
    , @Known Fact
    Mid- and South Brooklyn are heavy heavy Asian, and their presence in Queens extends well beyond Flushing. At least in Asian nabes you feel safe and get good produce markets, while blacks sit around complaining about "food deserts."

    One odd thing down in Bay Ridge is the stretch that has turned Muslim -- hookah bars and so on.
  28. Anonymous[382] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jimi
    Your prediction doesn't consider one important fact: people who grow up in NYC leave NYC.

    I grew up in an immigrant family in NYC with 13 cousins. Out of the 13 of us 11 have left. Only 2 are left in NYC. I suspect low birth rates with emigration to suburbs will have the same effect on Chinese population in NYC.

    One under-noticed demographic are Bangladeshis. They are already dominating housing projects in certain areas, govt jobs and public schools.

    However they are more like Puerto Ricans, rather than Chinese, they will stick around as a NYC underclass for a long time.

    Indian immigrants seem to prefer get out NYC as soon as possible for leafy suburbs. The American-born Indians you see in NYC are more like white hipsters/gentrifiers. They were raised in affluent suburban communities.

    ‘Bangladeshis…are …. dominating housing projects’.

    Really, I’ve never ever understood the rationale of importing immigrants only for them to immediately suckle on the public dime.

    Basically all you’re doing is importing a liability that never existed before – or to be blunter, burning taxpayers’ money.

    • Replies: @Jimi
    Russian Jews also dominate a few housing projects. But their kids seem to move out and up in the world.

    I believe the Bangaldeshis are settling in for multi-generation welfarism. They are our new Puerto Ricans.
    , @ben tillman

    Really, I’ve never ever understood the rationale of importing immigrants only for them to immediately suckle on the public dime.
     
    The rationale is that they get to vote for the agents of their sponsors to assist them (the sponsors) in sucking at the public teat much more copiously.
    , @Neuday
    I suggest you familiarize yourself with the Cloward-Piven strategy since you're soaking in it.
    , @jim jones
    Politicians derive their power from the stupid
    , @guest
    Dude, you don't get diversity. If just one of them (ONE!) opens an exotic food stand, it will have been worth it.
  29. @MikeatMikedotMike
    That tower recalls to me an article Kiko Reed posted a couple months ago, about the blooming utopia within China, with as proof, a photo of rows and rows of skyscraping apartment complexes, reminding me of the incubator towers from the movie The Matrix.

    That's what humanity has been striving for its entire history: Prisonesque berthing cubicles filled with swarms of inconsiderate and impolite and untrusting Asiamerican worker drones, presided over by a small group of morality devoid sex/power maniacs. We should all feel so fortunate to be alive at the point where the journey is nearly complete!

    But, then again, if this new Queens apartment building isn't out of reach of section 8, it'll be a dumpster fire within a couple years anyway.

    But, then again, if this new Queens apartment building isn’t out of reach of section 8, it’ll be a dumpster fire within a couple years anyway.

    They aren’t section 8, but they do all have a percentage of “affordable” apartments (gets them major tax breaks). I can speak directly to this, at least in my building.

    I didn’t even know when I moved in that it had 20% “affordable” apartments. I guess they can’t tell you that because racism, but I also didn’t ask. Well, I was curious about a percentage of seemingly pretty shiftless blacks who seemed to be around at all times (I work at home, so I noticed). They aren’t hard-cord ghetto types, and some are obviously affluent (mostly some very clearly gay blacks), but still. Some people just didn’t seem to fit the profile, economically, and then I learned about the 20%. Now, that doesn’t make the apartments free or anything close, but they are rented below market value.

    In any case, it’s not enough to ruin the place, but it causes certain… inconveniences. A story.

    On my floor, I suddenly started to notice a strong pot smoke smell. Fortunately, it was coming from the other end of the hall, but it was still bad. It was easy enough to, umm, smoke out the source apartment. And I mean STRONG pot smell. Like the hallway reeked of it. I can’t imagine what being in the next apartment would be like. And yes, racist that I am, I had noticed the source apartment was inhabited by a young black guy.

    Well, after some days of this, the smell was reduced. I walked by his door, and there was one of those things you stick under the door to keep out drafts. My guess is the building gave it to him and insisted he use it to keep the stink in his apartment (the management company here is excellent). But that’s what you get.

    And then there was the fat black lady in the gym who was sitting at one of the weight machines having a 30 minute conversation with the young black guy sitting at another weight machine. Neither working out, of course, but they felt it was perfectly within bounds to just monopolize two machines to have their conversation (which, among other things, was talking about how Trump was such a racist).

    So the lower income presence won’t ruin the place, but it definitely comes with its share of small indignities you have to live with.

    PS – My building is owned, as are many others around here, by a family of Persian Jews.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    "They aren’t section 8, but they do all have a percentage of “affordable” apartments (gets them major tax breaks). "

    Different road, same destination. :)

    " Now, that doesn’t make the apartments free or anything close, but they are rented below market value."

    I wonder to what extent is this cost adjustment reflects as an increase in the remaining tenants' rent.

    "So the lower income presence won’t ruin the place, but it definitely comes with its share of small indignities you have to live with. "

    You shouldn't have to live with them. Small encroachments add up to large ones; look at US domestic policy the last 100 years.
    , @Bartleby the Scrivner
    If it was me, I would move out ASAP. One is too many.
  30. New York is awash in Chinese…

    This is doubly microaggressive. The SPLC goes after those who use aqueous metaphors for mobile populations. (Not that SPLC is at the top of their game at the moment.)

    Also, “wash” and Chinamen? Come on…

    • LOL: Federalist
  31. A friend sent me this :

    Seven-year-old Mohammad entered his classroom in Dublin on the first day of school.

    “What’s your name?”, asked the teacher.

    “Mohammad,” he replied.

    “You’re in Ireland now,” replied the teacher, “so from now on you will be known as Mike.”

    Mohammad returned home after school.

    “How was your day, Mohammad?” his mother asked.
    “My name is not Mohammad. I’m in Ireland and now my name is Mike.”

    “Are you ashamed of your name?” his mother asked. “Are you trying to dishonor your parents, your heritage, your religion? Shame on you!”

    And his mother beat the shit out of him.

    Then she called his father, who beat the shit out of him again.

    The next day Mohammad returned to school.

    The teacher saw all his fresh bruises. “What happened to you, Mike?” she asked.

    “Well, shortly after becoming an Irishman, I was attacked by two fucking Muslims.”

    • LOL: Dave Pinsen, Bubba
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I'm stealing that one, like right now.
    , @J.Ross
    Mohammed, Mike, whatever -- you know if he gets angry enough he'll curse the British Empire and blow up.
    , @Clyde
    Score! Made me laugh.
  32. Every Asian woman I know is married to a white guy. I don’t know what the hell their men do. The offspring will be for all purposes, White – because the women want it that way and I’ve seen it. Except those offspring can claim diversity points. That’s a good thing. The more high IQ, middle and upper class people claiming diversity points, the better. If we have to reserve spots, may as well reserve them for people who are competent and would get in anyway.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "Except those offspring can claim diversity points."

    Being half-Asian a benefit for Affirmative Action? Not likely.
    , @Thinker
    Here in the west coast, I'm seeing more and more Asian guy - white girl couples, and half-white Asian guys always have white girlfriends.
    , @Bill Jones
    " If we have to reserve spots, may as well reserve them for people who are competent and would get in anyway."

    You have it backward.

    They don't have a set number of reserved spots. The whites merely fill in what's left.
  33. @Anonymous
    'Bangladeshis...are .... dominating housing projects'.

    Really, I've never ever understood the rationale of importing immigrants only for them to immediately suckle on the public dime.

    Basically all you're doing is importing a liability that never existed before - or to be blunter, burning taxpayers' money.

    Russian Jews also dominate a few housing projects. But their kids seem to move out and up in the world.

    I believe the Bangaldeshis are settling in for multi-generation welfarism. They are our new Puerto Ricans.

    • Replies: @anon
    In Australia, if you've got 10+ kids, the State Government has got to find suitable Housing at no more than 25% of the Welfare Cheque, and that Welfare Cheque will be worth $2,000+/week.
    Once the kids get too old for Welfare, the parents will go on the indexed Disability Support Pension, now worth more than the minimum wage [$18.50/hour].
  34. I’ll take a Chinese dominated city over the Jew dominated city it has been for decades.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "I’ll take a Chinese dominated city over the Jew dominated city it has been for decades."

    Would it make a difference? If, as people say, Chinese lack originality, their views will be those of Jews who run the elite institutions. Asian domination of Hawaii hasn't made it any less 'pozzed' than LA or San Fran.
  35. anonymous[405] • Disclaimer says:
    @haole
    The down fall of asian communities in the western world is the same as in Asia, corruption. I am basing this on Hawaii which is the most Asian enclave in a western country. We may have high IQ asians but none of our government services work worth a damn. The brown Asians: phillipinos, samoans etc are not better off under Asian rule, they did just as well under the Missionaries. (I cant support that statement but would love too.) Asian democracy suffers because Asians have poor impulse control, the impulse to be corrupt is the same impulse that makes them gamble and be bad drivers. The good side of the impulse /gamble compulsion is they want to start small businesses. I think high IQ low impulse control could be a good thing, or a thing, a pattern. Low IQ / low impulse control is a disaster.

    dont expect Asians to become republicans. Half the Asians, the male half, see themselves as losers to whites, they may have good jobs and money but the high SMV girls go to the more masculine men of other races. That is why they vote like blacks as far as I can see. If Asians become republicans expect the Republican politicians to favor open borders with Asia.

    dont expect Asians to become republicans. Half the Asians, the male half, see themselves as losers to whites, they may have good jobs and money but the high SMV girls go to the more masculine men of other races. That is why they vote like blacks as far as I can see. If Asians become republicans expect the Republican politicians to favor open borders with Asia.

    In Hawaii the rate of intermarriage/dating between Asian men and women looks even.

  36. It’s unlikely that Chinese will ever come into power in that manner as they will be probably be locked away or worse when WWIII comes around. Curiously, I’ve never once seen anyone describe Chinese men as tall, certainly nobody in the WASP category would do so…

  37. HA says:
    @neutral
    Not buying this one bit, here is why.
    1) The worlds most important graph and Chinese fertility collapse means that Chinese demographics will struggle to even keep China Chinese.
    2) The (((people))) that truly run New York do so by other means and not by voting numbers.
    3) If all those Chinese are mixing with white men, you don't have Chinese offspring (nor white offspring).

    The worlds most important graph and Chinese fertility collapse means that Chinese demographics will struggle to even keep China Chinese.

    Paul Morland pointed out in a recent interview that earlier similar fears that the Japanese would soon take over began to grip the US popular imagination right about the same time that Japan’s fertility decline kicked in, which (along with the NY real estate crash) eventually put those fears to rest.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Paul Morland pointed out in a recent interview that earlier similar fears that the Japanese would soon take over began to grip the US popular imagination right about the same time that Japan’s fertility decline kicked in, which (along with the NY real estate crash) eventually put those fears to rest.
     
    There are 20-fold more Chinese in the world than Japanese.
  38. And as if on queue, another New York based Chinese-run bus crashes.

    https://nypost.com/2019/03/19/two-killed-dozens-injured-as-nyc-bound-bus-crashes-in-virginia/

    Note: don’t ever take the Chinese bus, no matter how cheap it seems.

  39. @Jack D

    inconsiderate and impolite and untrusting Asiamerican worker drones,
     
    All over the cities of Asia, millions of people live cheek by jowl in high rise apartment buildings that look a lot like the housing projects that were built in American cities after WWII. High rise towers in cities make a lot of sense in terms of land use, energy use, environmental impact, etc. In fact a lot more sense than covering the countryside for 40 miles around with 1/4 acre lots and having everyone drive their giant SUV to work downtown.

    Except that the ones in America were filled mostly with blacks who made these buildings into unlivable hellholes so that they ultimately had to be dynamited despite being in perfect structural condition.

    All over the cities of Asia, millions of people live cheek by jowl in high rise apartment buildings that look a lot like the housing projects that were built in American cities after WWII. High rise towers in cities make a lot of sense in terms of land use, energy use, environmental impact, etc. In fact a lot more sense than covering the countryside for 40 miles around with 1/4 acre lots and having everyone drive their giant SUV to work downtown.

    Who cares?

    My birthright as an American was supposed to not have to live like an Asian.

    The low population density was a feature. A great feature! And absent all the–logically\mathematically insane and suicidal–“nation of immigrants!” bullshit, that’s what we’d still have.

    • Agree: Ibound1, ben tillman
    • Replies: @Jack D

    My birthright as an American was supposed to not have to live like an Asian.
     
    Actually your birthright (at least if you were from a city) was to live in a dense ethnically cohesive neighborhood where there was tremendous social capital and a support network. Atomizing all the white people out to the distant anonymous suburbs was good for General Motors and shopping center developers, not so good for the society.
    , @anon
    But becoming part of the Global Widget Factory is desirable, necessary, and inevitable. Interchangeable widgets for serf labor, sex trafficking and voting blocks is simply the way of the world. Those crazy ideas of the sanctity of the individual and his autonomy are being tossed on the scrapheap of history where they belong.
  40. The white guy-Asian girl combo is definitely common in NYC. Landing a white guy is a step up socially for most girls from immigrant families, so the parents don’t seem to crack down on it like Indian families. I’ve known multiple Indian girls who kept their white boyfriends a secret from their family. Not the case with my Chinese acquaintances, although I’m sure it can happen.

    Jewish guys and Asian girls are especially common. Jewish guys are at a masculinity disadvantage versus gentiles, but when competing against Asian guys for Asian girls they actually have a masculinity advantage and they’re wittier than Asian guys while still having equal if not better career prospects. Both sides feel like they’re dating up. Jewish girls must really be feeling the squeeze. As a Jewish girl I dated put it, “when you’re trying to meet a hot guy at a bar, you’re competing against blondes. When you’re husband hunting, you’re competing against Asians.”

    I disagree that the politics will flip Asian permanently. We could see a Chinese mayor, sure, but not in perpetuity. The mixed white-Asian kids I know tend to be fully assimilated and more culturally white than Asian. That said, I’m not as familiar with the outer boroughs neighborhoods like Flushing. Perhaps they’re more entrenched.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    As a Jewish girl I dated put it, “when you’re trying to meet a hot guy at a bar, you’re competing against blondes. When you’re husband hunting, you’re competing against Asians.”
     
    Of course her real competition is the girls not getting pounded by hot guys at bars.
  41. @AnotherDad

    All over the cities of Asia, millions of people live cheek by jowl in high rise apartment buildings that look a lot like the housing projects that were built in American cities after WWII. High rise towers in cities make a lot of sense in terms of land use, energy use, environmental impact, etc. In fact a lot more sense than covering the countryside for 40 miles around with 1/4 acre lots and having everyone drive their giant SUV to work downtown.
     
    Who cares?

    My birthright as an American was supposed to not have to live like an Asian.

    The low population density was a feature. A great feature! And absent all the--logically\mathematically insane and suicidal--"nation of immigrants!" bullshit, that's what we'd still have.

    My birthright as an American was supposed to not have to live like an Asian.

    Actually your birthright (at least if you were from a city) was to live in a dense ethnically cohesive neighborhood where there was tremendous social capital and a support network. Atomizing all the white people out to the distant anonymous suburbs was good for General Motors and shopping center developers, not so good for the society.

    • Agree: Bill
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Atomizing all the white people out to the distant anonymous suburbs … not so good for society.
     
    In a Cold War context, it would be harder for Soviet nukes to immediately atomize whites spread out in distant anonymous suburbs. Dense highly populated cities are prime targets for mass killing using the right tactics.
    , @bomag

    Atomizing all the white people out to the distant anonymous suburbs...
     
    I'd say you are making an orthogonal point. Ethnic support groups are not population-density dependent.

    Small towns; rural ag communities; suburbs back in the day were plenty supportive. Surveys of western Indian reservations often list the supportive community as a key feature.

    "Bowling Alone" hit across the board.
  42. @Endgame Napoleon
    If the choice is only between high-earning mass immigration and mass immigrantion that is dominated by welfare-eligible low earners, yes, that is a better option only if it reduces income inequality by providing more competition for high-wage jobs.

    But immigrant temp workers, brought in to displace the mid-earning citizens, do not serve that function, not even when the immigrant temps immediately reproduce, giving them an anchor into this country, even though their wages are too high to qualify them for the platter of welfare-for-womb-productivity treats.

    Womb-productive immigrant temp work do get the uphiked Trump non-refundable child tax credit, even though they remove scarce rungs from the ladder to the middle class for US citizens, like crucial job experience that can lead to better jobs.

    At the high end, high-earning immigrants might not reduce wealth concentration as much as some immigration scholars think due to 1) the wealth concentration effect of assortative mating and 2) race-biased hiring among cronyist minorities who are above critique for it due to 1) their skin pigmentation and 2) the fact that people with kids, in general, are above critique despite various forms of awful workplace behavior, like libertine absenteeism.

    What makes you think those immigrant women won’t take another scarce, high-paying job out of the economy, keeping two jobs that could support two separate households in middle-class style under one roof, rather than risking family capital to create jobs for US citizens, thereby reducing income inequality?

    Today’s affluent immigrants most certainly are not creating many jobs for US citizens as advertised. When they do create jobs, the jobs often go to family members or other immigrants.

    We would not have 95 million US citizens—ages 16 to 65–out of the labor force or a part-time worker representing the average worker in the USA if immigrants were the job-manufacturing force that they are peddled to be by the media. They may create a lot of jobs for extended family via chain migration and race-based, non-racist cronyism.

    Whether or not they marry whites, there is a lot of racist hiring & retention going on among minorites. There is probably more intermarriage among whites and Asians in the top-earning eschelon than intermarriage between Hispanics and whites at the lowest wage level, albeit more whites marry Blacks at the low end of the economic laddder.

    From a visual standpoint, you can only distinguish subtle differences between a mixed white / Asian person or a mixed white / Hispanic person and a 100%-white person after one generation of interbreeding. But that does not prevent diluted “minorities” from capitalizing on their fractional racial oppression through calculating and hypocritical use of affirmative action laws.

    Whereas, a white guy in an 80%-minority-staffed government agency would have to be the first midget to impregnate a robot to get an affirmative-action case before the SCOTUS and its coming-soon, sexual-harassment-proof robotic law clerks.

    The case of a white, male midget—denied his 12-month paid family leave for a mixed bot /human love child—might be atypical enough to span the entire range of possible discrimination complaints across the wide range of majority-minority workplaces in the USA. A midget with a half-breed robot child would be exotic enough set some serious precedent.

    But fifty years after the Civil Rights Act, and after a two-term Black POTUS, any old racism charge will do if you are a full-scale minority, a half-minority, a one-fourth minority or even a decimal-grade minority. Maybe, the broad middle class will return when white guys start breeding with attractive robots.

    If the choice is only between high-earning mass immigration and mass immigrantion that is dominated by welfare-eligible low earners, yes, that is a better option only if it reduces income inequality by providing more competition for high-wage jobs.

    Why would anyone consider that to be a good thing?

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    because
    " only if it reduces income inequality"

    It's an egalitarian. Don't you know all men are created equal.
  43. NYC will become a more interesting place if the author of the above comment is correct. Never a big fan of the Big Apple; always thought the city was a hollow drama queen. And in recent years, with it becoming a headquarters for Millennial SJWs, the tedium and rot intensified. Becoming a center for white/Chinese miscegenation and Sino-espionage can only improve the idiot-harpy metropolis. Although, the influx of Hong Kong Chinese into Vancouver B.C. has made that beautiful city unaffordable for the natives.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Although, the influx of Hong Kong Chinese into Vancouver B.C. has made that beautiful city unaffordable for the natives.
     
    That also happened because lots of natives decided get rich off the influx.
  44. anonymous[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @haole
    The down fall of asian communities in the western world is the same as in Asia, corruption. I am basing this on Hawaii which is the most Asian enclave in a western country. We may have high IQ asians but none of our government services work worth a damn. The brown Asians: phillipinos, samoans etc are not better off under Asian rule, they did just as well under the Missionaries. (I cant support that statement but would love too.) Asian democracy suffers because Asians have poor impulse control, the impulse to be corrupt is the same impulse that makes them gamble and be bad drivers. The good side of the impulse /gamble compulsion is they want to start small businesses. I think high IQ low impulse control could be a good thing, or a thing, a pattern. Low IQ / low impulse control is a disaster.

    dont expect Asians to become republicans. Half the Asians, the male half, see themselves as losers to whites, they may have good jobs and money but the high SMV girls go to the more masculine men of other races. That is why they vote like blacks as far as I can see. If Asians become republicans expect the Republican politicians to favor open borders with Asia.

    NYC’s Chinese community is quite corrupt. Guess they fit in with the rest.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/12/the-accused-jiayang-fan

  45. Anonymous[382] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterike

    3) If all those Chinese are mixing with white men, you don’t have Chinese offspring (nor white offspring).

     

    At the level of "look at that cute baby!" every mix I've seen registers as Chinese. Sometimes as they age they do take on a weird mixed look, but these children rarely pass for white, far as I can tell. They are obviously at least part Asian. And of course the SJW types among them will always associate with their Asian half and happily scream about "white privilege."

    However, I'm very curious about the attitudes about this among the Chinese. It seems deracinated American whites don't bat an eye about race mixing. No SWPL white feels grief that their grand-child is half Asian. But what do the Chinese feel about it?

    It doesn't seem like much parental authority is being spent on keeping their daughters away from white men. Because it's not working. Is Daddy Chang upset that his daughter is totting around a white or Jewish boyfriend? Or do they just see it as a clever business transaction?

    If might be a pointer, but the USA’s legacy Japanese population, which arrived in the early 20th century, has more or less vanished – blended into the mass of American whites by rates of intermarriage greater than 50%.

    • Replies: @Alden
    That’s true. Even in 1900 they were marrying out. Lots of Jap and nex American marriage because they lived in the same neighborhoods went to school together worked in the same businesses
    , @LondonBob
    Takes two generations or more before they disappear so the early twentieth century Japs would be invisible by now.
    , @Twinkie

    If might be a pointer, but the USA’s legacy Japanese population, which arrived in the early 20th century, has more or less vanished – blended into the mass of American whites by rates of intermarriage greater than 50%.
     
    Yup, and that’s happening with Koreans in America before our eyes. I recently read the data, and not only has Korean immigration declined substantially since its heyday in the ‘80’s, the absolute number of people identifying as Korean in America has shrunk in the past 20 years.

    Will it happen with the Chinese as well? I think it’s likely, even though it might not look that way today as the present is probably the peak of Chinese immigration.

    , @stillCARealist
    That's interesting. The only Japanese people I know are in mixed marriages (with whites). Shoot, the more I think about it the more I come up with.

    Many couples. Several kids with mixed parents.

    Are the Japanese even attracted to each other any more?
    , @Mr McKenna
    'Japanese-Americans' also have relatively few children. Just as the Japanese do in their own country.
    , @Horseball
    For example, the pastor of the Old St. Patrick's Cathedral, Donald Sakano, in Manhattan is one such person. He's about 72 y.o., but doesn't really bear any sign of his Japanese heritage.
  46. @Chrisnonymous
    Better majority yellow than majority brown. Ain't going back to the old days now...

    Absolutely. Turn Harlem into a theme park and send the POC intelligentsia packing!

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    It is less than half black now.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/06/nyregion/06harlem.html
  47. @AaronB
    This commenter is having you on.

    I live in NY. Outside Flushing and Chinatown you see few Chinese. Williamsburg, the hippest area in town, is incredibly white, as is most of the trendy Brooklyn hoods like Park Slope, Cobble Hill, etc.

    Rare to see Asians there. Even rarer are Asian-white couples. I often remark that at the trendy bars and clubs in Brooklyn or Soho or LES, its nearly all white, with maybe a sprinkling of Asians, unlike the West Coast. I think Asians frequent the hip-hop clubs in Manhattan - I wouldn't know as I never go to these places, but I sometimes see them standing on lines.

    Chinese in NY often tend to much lower class than the West Coast also. Really a completely different element.

    Unlike the West Coast, NY is remarkably white and non-Asian.

    I think there is emerging a new syndrome among certain white people - Chinese derangement syndrome.

    Unlike the West Coast, NY is remarkably white and non-Asian.

    I think you’re having us on. Midtown Manhattan has 5-10 times the Asians it had 30 years ago, certainly more than 10% of the people you see these days.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    Who goes to mid town Manhattan? Not New Yorkers. Tourists and office workers from the burbs. Although I might start visiting Hudson Yards if its cool.

    NY is a much whiter city than it was in the 90s. That's for sure. Get off on the Bedford Ave L train stop during evening commute its 90% white. Go to the bars. If you like Asian girls you may find one of two, if you're lucky. I wouldn't count on it.
    , @istevefan

    Midtown Manhattan has 5-10 times the Asians it had 30 years ago, certainly more than 10% of the people you see these days.
     
    I think most people either have no firsthand knowledge of what the demographics of America were, or they simply can't remember. So they look at the situation you just described and see it as a positive, and don't realize what was lost.

    Make these people watch old episodes of Perry Mason, or some other show from fifty years ago and you might get them to notice.

  48. @peterike

    But, then again, if this new Queens apartment building isn’t out of reach of section 8, it’ll be a dumpster fire within a couple years anyway.

     

    They aren't section 8, but they do all have a percentage of "affordable" apartments (gets them major tax breaks). I can speak directly to this, at least in my building.

    I didn't even know when I moved in that it had 20% "affordable" apartments. I guess they can't tell you that because racism, but I also didn't ask. Well, I was curious about a percentage of seemingly pretty shiftless blacks who seemed to be around at all times (I work at home, so I noticed). They aren't hard-cord ghetto types, and some are obviously affluent (mostly some very clearly gay blacks), but still. Some people just didn't seem to fit the profile, economically, and then I learned about the 20%. Now, that doesn't make the apartments free or anything close, but they are rented below market value.

    In any case, it's not enough to ruin the place, but it causes certain... inconveniences. A story.

    On my floor, I suddenly started to notice a strong pot smoke smell. Fortunately, it was coming from the other end of the hall, but it was still bad. It was easy enough to, umm, smoke out the source apartment. And I mean STRONG pot smell. Like the hallway reeked of it. I can't imagine what being in the next apartment would be like. And yes, racist that I am, I had noticed the source apartment was inhabited by a young black guy.

    Well, after some days of this, the smell was reduced. I walked by his door, and there was one of those things you stick under the door to keep out drafts. My guess is the building gave it to him and insisted he use it to keep the stink in his apartment (the management company here is excellent). But that's what you get.

    And then there was the fat black lady in the gym who was sitting at one of the weight machines having a 30 minute conversation with the young black guy sitting at another weight machine. Neither working out, of course, but they felt it was perfectly within bounds to just monopolize two machines to have their conversation (which, among other things, was talking about how Trump was such a racist).

    So the lower income presence won't ruin the place, but it definitely comes with its share of small indignities you have to live with.

    PS - My building is owned, as are many others around here, by a family of Persian Jews.

    “They aren’t section 8, but they do all have a percentage of “affordable” apartments (gets them major tax breaks). ”

    Different road, same destination. 🙂

    ” Now, that doesn’t make the apartments free or anything close, but they are rented below market value.”

    I wonder to what extent is this cost adjustment reflects as an increase in the remaining tenants’ rent.

    “So the lower income presence won’t ruin the place, but it definitely comes with its share of small indignities you have to live with. ”

    You shouldn’t have to live with them. Small encroachments add up to large ones; look at US domestic policy the last 100 years.

    • Replies: @Lot
    “I wonder to what extent is this cost adjustment reflects as an increase in the remaining tenants’ rent.“

    Market rate apartments will be priced as high as possible by the landlord. Affordable housing set asides are a fixed cost that doesn’t affect rent directly.

    The overall effect of affordable housing set aside requirements are: big gain for the people getting apartments below market, loss to developers who have to pay it, gain to preexisting homeowners and landlords from less competitive market rate units, large overall loss to society due to less efficiency and misollocation of resources.


    Also loss to the environment because the misallocation increases average commutes. The lucky duckies at the subsidized units will rarely move and lose them, even if they gain employment elsewhere in the metro area. People who want to live in them and pay market rate have to instead live elsewhere and on average that will be further away.
  49. @Anonymous
    'Bangladeshis...are .... dominating housing projects'.

    Really, I've never ever understood the rationale of importing immigrants only for them to immediately suckle on the public dime.

    Basically all you're doing is importing a liability that never existed before - or to be blunter, burning taxpayers' money.

    Really, I’ve never ever understood the rationale of importing immigrants only for them to immediately suckle on the public dime.

    The rationale is that they get to vote for the agents of their sponsors to assist them (the sponsors) in sucking at the public teat much more copiously.

  50. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    ...and I always thought that Vancouver was the Chinese entrepot of choice.

    Several observations:

    Firstly, as long as the USA runs a huge trade deficit with China, the USA is obliged by the laws of basic basic economics to offer huge purchases of real estate to China.
    Secondly, knowing the endemic criminality of NYC, perpetrated by certain subsections if its 'ethnic minority' population, it is difficult to envision the oh so rational Chinese, with their well known penchant for order, cleanliness and good housekeeping etc seriously taking to NYC.

    They are among the most corrupt people on earth. Without even the pretext of some psuedo religous morality. Particularly relativist among overseas chinese.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    Wrong on all counts. https://www.transparency.org/cpi2018
  51. @neutral
    Not buying this one bit, here is why.
    1) The worlds most important graph and Chinese fertility collapse means that Chinese demographics will struggle to even keep China Chinese.
    2) The (((people))) that truly run New York do so by other means and not by voting numbers.
    3) If all those Chinese are mixing with white men, you don't have Chinese offspring (nor white offspring).

    3) If all those Chinese are mixing with white men, you don’t have Chinese offspring (nor white offspring).

    You have Chinese offspring. John Derbysire and his Chinese family are the perfect example. The Chinese mother is busy matchmaking the son with Chinese females. The daughter will most likely marry a black guy (maybe light-skinned black Puerto Rican or Dominican Republican).

    You’re just adding to the non-white population in the USA. On the upside, Chinese abortion rates are very high and China is the fastest aging country so many Chinese in the USA will go back to China.

    Derbyshire and his Chinese family are needed in China.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Oh God, not again.
  52. @nglaer
    I doubt this, but it's a better scenario than a lot of other ethnic transformation possibilities

    Will this mean that rising housing costs will force Tee Hee Coates out of his Brooklyn sanctuary, where he pens his diarrhetic essays and crappy comics that don’t sell? Perhaps he can find a black space with one of his wealthy white benefactors.

  53. @Jimi
    Your prediction doesn't consider one important fact: people who grow up in NYC leave NYC.

    I grew up in an immigrant family in NYC with 13 cousins. Out of the 13 of us 11 have left. Only 2 are left in NYC. I suspect low birth rates with emigration to suburbs will have the same effect on Chinese population in NYC.

    One under-noticed demographic are Bangladeshis. They are already dominating housing projects in certain areas, govt jobs and public schools.

    However they are more like Puerto Ricans, rather than Chinese, they will stick around as a NYC underclass for a long time.

    Indian immigrants seem to prefer get out NYC as soon as possible for leafy suburbs. The American-born Indians you see in NYC are more like white hipsters/gentrifiers. They were raised in affluent suburban communities.

    Bangladeshi are now a significant percentage of New York City’s specialized high schools.

    “Over 10% of the students from Stuyvesant, Bronx Science, and Brooklyn Tech are Khan’s Tutorial students, mostly South-Asian Americans, the fastest growing community in NYC. Due to the success of Khan’s Tutorial, Bengali is the second most non-English language spoken at home for students attending the Specialized High Schools,” said Dr. Ivan Khan, CEO & President of Khan’s Tutorial.

    https://www.khanstutorial.com/kt-sutphin/2016/4/2/khans-tutorial-congratulates-335-students-who-have-gained-admission-to-nycs-specialized-high-schools

    https://insideschools.org/news-&-views/more-bangladeshi-students-test-into-elite-schools
    http://bronxink.org/2014/10/20/27031-bangladeshi-families-prep-for-controversial-high-school-exam/

  54. @ben tillman

    Unlike the West Coast, NY is remarkably white and non-Asian.
     
    I think you're having us on. Midtown Manhattan has 5-10 times the Asians it had 30 years ago, certainly more than 10% of the people you see these days.

    Who goes to mid town Manhattan? Not New Yorkers. Tourists and office workers from the burbs. Although I might start visiting Hudson Yards if its cool.

    NY is a much whiter city than it was in the 90s. That’s for sure. Get off on the Bedford Ave L train stop during evening commute its 90% white. Go to the bars. If you like Asian girls you may find one of two, if you’re lucky. I wouldn’t count on it.

  55. @AaronB
    This commenter is having you on.

    I live in NY. Outside Flushing and Chinatown you see few Chinese. Williamsburg, the hippest area in town, is incredibly white, as is most of the trendy Brooklyn hoods like Park Slope, Cobble Hill, etc.

    Rare to see Asians there. Even rarer are Asian-white couples. I often remark that at the trendy bars and clubs in Brooklyn or Soho or LES, its nearly all white, with maybe a sprinkling of Asians, unlike the West Coast. I think Asians frequent the hip-hop clubs in Manhattan - I wouldn't know as I never go to these places, but I sometimes see them standing on lines.

    Chinese in NY often tend to much lower class than the West Coast also. Really a completely different element.

    Unlike the West Coast, NY is remarkably white and non-Asian.

    I think there is emerging a new syndrome among certain white people - Chinese derangement syndrome.

    ” … Chinese derangement syndrome.”

    Nothing wrong with a little yellow fever. It’s best to try to get along with the new master race.

  56. @ben tillman

    Unlike the West Coast, NY is remarkably white and non-Asian.
     
    I think you're having us on. Midtown Manhattan has 5-10 times the Asians it had 30 years ago, certainly more than 10% of the people you see these days.

    Midtown Manhattan has 5-10 times the Asians it had 30 years ago, certainly more than 10% of the people you see these days.

    I think most people either have no firsthand knowledge of what the demographics of America were, or they simply can’t remember. So they look at the situation you just described and see it as a positive, and don’t realize what was lost.

    Make these people watch old episodes of Perry Mason, or some other show from fifty years ago and you might get them to notice.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  57. @peterike

    3) If all those Chinese are mixing with white men, you don’t have Chinese offspring (nor white offspring).

     

    At the level of "look at that cute baby!" every mix I've seen registers as Chinese. Sometimes as they age they do take on a weird mixed look, but these children rarely pass for white, far as I can tell. They are obviously at least part Asian. And of course the SJW types among them will always associate with their Asian half and happily scream about "white privilege."

    However, I'm very curious about the attitudes about this among the Chinese. It seems deracinated American whites don't bat an eye about race mixing. No SWPL white feels grief that their grand-child is half Asian. But what do the Chinese feel about it?

    It doesn't seem like much parental authority is being spent on keeping their daughters away from white men. Because it's not working. Is Daddy Chang upset that his daughter is totting around a white or Jewish boyfriend? Or do they just see it as a clever business transaction?

    Not an expert, but my two cents–I’ve had two nephews marry Asian girls. I tried to get some of this info out of them in a discreet way without ruining Thanksgiving. I found out:

    1.) Parents don’t care if they marry white guys because they consider western culture to be reasonably functional. I mean the kids grow up practicing Bach 6 hours a day so clearly they don’t have contempt for westerners. However parents would flip out if they brought home a black guy.

    2.) On our side of the family, my brother really didn’t care, my sister in law seemed slightly perturbed but nothing too bad. I think it was the same deal for them.

    3.) Asian girls are just killin’ it in the dating/marriage market. They have access to the top cohort of both the whites and Asians. I think the high AF outmarriage rates are just because they can get whomever the heck they want. I think this is because WF have damaged their brand, so to speak, by things like pussy hat marches. I don’t think WF realize how off putting stuff like that is to most men. You don’t want to come home at the end of a long day to someone who seems to prioritize abstract social causes over the immediate family, or views you as ‘the enemy.’

    4.) My 5 grand-nephews range from looking mostly asian to looking like dark haired whites. Two of them just look like darker haired Bavarians to me. None of them look totally Asian because they all have brown hair, although it will probably darken with age.

    • Agree: Clyde
    • Replies: @anon
    Yep, impossible not to notice the White Male / Asian Female pairs in the more affluent areas of major metros.

    Reading through blogs, POC Guy & While Female interracial dating is often portrayed as a sign of the dying Stale Pale Male.

    But it may also be a case that Asian women are "simply doing the jobs that white women just won't do" -- i.e., being a normal, supportive spouse for upwardly mobile White guys. Suspect a lot of this POC Guy / White Female, is the result of these White Females being displaced at the high end of the dating market, which trickles downward.

    Also think what has killed the White Female brand is divorce horror stories, which are often initiated by the woman. Younger white guys seem to have wised up.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    You don’t want to come home at the end of a long day to someone who seems to prioritize abstract social causes over the immediate family, or views you as ‘the enemy.’
     
    This was popular on aprons in the 1970s:

    https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/122370871180_/Vintage-70s-Kitchen-Apron-FOR-THIS-I-SPENT.jpg

    , @Twinkie

    My 5 grand-nephews range from looking mostly asian to looking like dark haired whites. Two of them just look like darker haired Bavarians to me. None of them look totally Asian because they all have brown hair, although it will probably darken with age.
     
    One of my daughters has green eyes (from my wife) and reddish/auburn hair (via me, from my mother). I’m 99.9% East Asian, but several times more likely to have lighter hair and eyes than the average East Asian genetic profile at 23andme (I have very dark brown hair, but copper beard and body hair). Apparently, that’s from Asian Neanderthal genes.

    My oldest son has the most blondish hair among the kids. He has brown ends, but blond roots. My wife and I thought that he’d grow out of it, but he’s kept it.

    My wife is 99.9% British/Irish, German, and Scandinavian. Our children are “Arctic Alliance” personified. They see themselves as whites with a touch of the exotic. Or, more accurately, they see themselves as all-American, only with spicy condiments. They don’t have much of a “race consciousness.”
    , @anon

    I think this is because WF have damaged their brand, so to speak, by things like pussy hat marches. I don’t think WF realize how off putting stuff like that is to most men.
    Agreed - 40 years out from the feminist revolution, liberated white women are finding themselves alone or in bed with a lesbian. You see lots of them in the offices looking unhappy. A just outcome.
  58. @peterike

    3) If all those Chinese are mixing with white men, you don’t have Chinese offspring (nor white offspring).

     

    At the level of "look at that cute baby!" every mix I've seen registers as Chinese. Sometimes as they age they do take on a weird mixed look, but these children rarely pass for white, far as I can tell. They are obviously at least part Asian. And of course the SJW types among them will always associate with their Asian half and happily scream about "white privilege."

    However, I'm very curious about the attitudes about this among the Chinese. It seems deracinated American whites don't bat an eye about race mixing. No SWPL white feels grief that their grand-child is half Asian. But what do the Chinese feel about it?

    It doesn't seem like much parental authority is being spent on keeping their daughters away from white men. Because it's not working. Is Daddy Chang upset that his daughter is totting around a white or Jewish boyfriend? Or do they just see it as a clever business transaction?

    However, I’m very curious about the attitudes about this among the Chinese. It seems deracinated American whites don’t bat an eye about race mixing. No SWPL white feels grief that their grand-child is half Asian. But what do the Chinese feel about it?

    In general and the world over, women want men substantially bigger/taller than themselves. We are friends with a family that unfortunately got divorced recently- my wife chose to remain chummy with the woman (and I am fine with that, not ever really getting to know the man, or like much of what I saw when I did for that matter) and so I get frequent updates on the gay divorcée ‘s new dating life. She a blonde HB8 (7.7 to be completely accurate) and so probably has her pick of men, but according to what’s relayed to me her top priority is finding a new man at least as tall as her ~6’5” ex. So anyway, many more walking tower-of-beef Gronk’s among the European-descended population than their own.

    Also, back when we were still only engaged, I took my wife to an intra-Ivy local alumni picnic. There was a nice Chinese/Taiwanese gent there with his mom, and mom was macking all over my sweetie, talking about how one of the early Presidents of Taiwan had a Russian ballerina wife, how cute mixed Eurasian babies looked, etc. So that’s my anecdotal evidence- Asian females (maybe males, I don’t know) think mixed grandkids will look awfully cute, and I’d have to agree they usually do.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    one of the early Presidents of Taiwan had a Russian ballerina wife
     
    The inaugural First Lady of South Korea was an Austrian: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franziska_Donner

    Supposedly, when South Korean troops saw Australian planes attacking the North Koreans during the Korean War, they confused them with Austrians and would joke “Hey, the president’s in-laws are here to help us.”
    , @1661er
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/Chiang_Ching-kuo_family.jpg/330px-Chiang_Ching-kuo_family.jpg
    I had met one of Chiang Kai Shek's late (((grandson))) in person. As you can see from their picture, they were not exactly cute looking bunch. Even when younger, they were just ok looking.
    https://www.speakingofchina.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Chiang_Ching-kuo_and_Fang-liang_in_Gannan-768x1093.jpg


    There were some sour grips by 1949ers that Taiwanese were so racists/anti-Semitic that one of those (((grandson))) didn't become president/continue the family business. Maybe CIA should had engineer one of Kim's Swiss classmate to marry him as a way to end Kim dynasty in NK.
  59. Now we know where John Derbyshire plans to move to.

  60. @peterike

    3) If all those Chinese are mixing with white men, you don’t have Chinese offspring (nor white offspring).

     

    At the level of "look at that cute baby!" every mix I've seen registers as Chinese. Sometimes as they age they do take on a weird mixed look, but these children rarely pass for white, far as I can tell. They are obviously at least part Asian. And of course the SJW types among them will always associate with their Asian half and happily scream about "white privilege."

    However, I'm very curious about the attitudes about this among the Chinese. It seems deracinated American whites don't bat an eye about race mixing. No SWPL white feels grief that their grand-child is half Asian. But what do the Chinese feel about it?

    It doesn't seem like much parental authority is being spent on keeping their daughters away from white men. Because it's not working. Is Daddy Chang upset that his daughter is totting around a white or Jewish boyfriend? Or do they just see it as a clever business transaction?

    Let me tell you something about these topics (I’m married to a Chinese woman and we have two kids):

    – the kids definitely do not look Chinese (nor do they look white). Boys tend to look kind of mixed, not very masculine facial features. That’s why i expect my son to one day marry an Asian girl. The girls can be very, very beautiful, by universal acclaim. I would bet my daughter will one day marry a white guy.

    – Chinese don’t seem to mind mixed marriages. It’s as if they only care about gene propagation. In Eastern Europe, Chinese couples give their children local names, kids learn the local language, etc. How young Chinese men feel when they see mixed couples (white guy, Asian girl) I can only guess.

    • Replies: @Hail

    That’s why i expect my [half White, half Chinese] son to one day marry an Asian girl
     

    I would bet my daughter will one day marry a white guy.
     
    What you are describing is really a racial 'Ponzi Scheme'.

    Consider how the classic ponzi scheme works. The system of race-driven romantic "White Male, East Asian Female" pairings you (and many others) have identified is, in essence, the same. In this racial-sexual ponzi scheme, an endless supply of 'pure Asians' and 'pure Whites' is required to prop up the miscegenationist gravy train, including as partners for the mixed-race offspring in Generation 2 (and presumably beyond).

    A system of romantic pairings that is effectively a giant racial ponzi scheme is, to say the least, highly unhealthy.

    Remember that Ponzi schemes always fall apart. They never end happily.

    What damage is to be done before this one unravels?

    , @Jack D

    In Eastern Europe, Chinese couples give their children local names
     
    I think it is Chinese practice pretty much everywhere to give their kids local first names to be written in Roman letters. They also have Chinese names as well, which are used within the family. This is not unlike what most Jews do nowadays, aside from the ultra- Orthodox. Indians usually give their kids only Indian names which they transliterate and use as the English names also.
    , @JimB

    Boys tend to look kind of mixed, not very masculine facial features. That’s why i expect my son to one day marry an Asian girl. The girls can be very, very beautiful, by universal acclaim. I would bet my daughter will one day marry a white guy.
     
    Mixed Asian/white boys will have problems in the US with both white and Asian girls. Probably they will have their best luck with a mixed girl who appears to be about the same admixture. In matters of reproduction, humans deal poorly with ambiguity. White/Asian couples rarely think through the difficulties that their offspring will have on the marriage market.
    , @PV van der Byl
    Eurasian girls have had, and will have, a much better time competing in the US marriage market than their Eurasian brothers (though the latter may now have an edge in East Asia).

    White guys around my age (born in 1960) usually have fond memories of early 80s starlet Phoebe Cates.

    It took me quite a long time to realize she was Eurasian. Specifically, 3/4 Ashkenazic Jewish and 1/4 ethnic Chinese (though born in the Philippines).

    I think the Jewish genes gave Phoebe curves in all the right places. The Chinese ancestry gave her straight dark hair, a rounder face, and a much smaller nose.

    That combination really worked for me.

    http://hoxtonradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/temp-5-1024x1024.png

    https://www.pinterest.com/paulttaylor/pheobe-cates/?lp=true
  61. jb says:
    @neutral
    Not buying this one bit, here is why.
    1) The worlds most important graph and Chinese fertility collapse means that Chinese demographics will struggle to even keep China Chinese.
    2) The (((people))) that truly run New York do so by other means and not by voting numbers.
    3) If all those Chinese are mixing with white men, you don't have Chinese offspring (nor white offspring).

    Even if population is collapsing in China it will still be hundreds of millions, and that will still be vastly more than enough to inflate the Chinese population in NYC.

    I actually don’t have a huge problem with the Chinese. I guess I’m with John Derbyshire on this one — I see them as high performing Arctic Eurasians, and a cousin population to white Europeans. The real problem for America (and the world) is the continuing explosion of deeply diverged and low-performing sub-Saharan Africans populations, which have become hugely successful in Darwinian terms as a direct consequence of their dismal failure in civilizational terms. Talk about rewarding failure!

    • Agree: Lot, Redneck farmer, Clyde
    • Replies: @Chief Seattle
    I've spent a lot of time around Chinese in school and in California. I agree overall that the genetics are fairly good. I honestly don't think twice when working / socializing with a Chinese ethnic who's grown up in the U.S.

    However, in Silicon Valley I discovered that there's a certain threshold of mainland Chinese, maybe over 20-25%, where culturally they revert to their Chinese origins. That's a competitive, grubbing culture that's not fun at all to be around. So my abiding hope is that Chinese immigration remains at a level low enough that the newcomers can be socialized to someplace near, but not quite as extreme as our own brand of white degeneracy.
  62. anon[233] • Disclaimer says:

    The fears expressed about NYC are overblown. Take the Bay Area, which is much further down the pipeline in terms of Asian immigration. Statistically, it is around 40%, but anecdotally, it is higher, varying wildly by neighborhood.

    The Bay Area also provides a glimpse into what Chinese-Americans will look like in 20-30 years. A large portion of the Chinese in SF Area are second generation, with high-academic achievement often at good US schools, high savings rates, and other Tiger Mom attributes, and they have a short drive to the most dynamic economy on Earth. In other words, creme de la creme of Chinese population, with opportunity staring them in the face.

    Yet, among this group, virtually no successful Chinese entrepreneurs. The rare exception is typically Taiwanese. Very rare to see a Chinese executive. Probably does not bode well for long-term viability of Chinese economy. US elite colleges are also likely sweating bullets over AA, since high influx of Asians will translate into collapsing endowments a decade later.

    But, as another poster pointed out, Chinese neighborhoods — Chinatown aside — are typically safe, albeit drab. Socially, the Chinese tend to be insular, often cliquing up in professional settings, likely because they are put off by Westerner extraversion. In terms of immigrant groups, they are fairly neutral it terms of pro vs. con. Cannot say the same about Hispanic immigrants or non-high-caste Indians. These groups will ruin a city, with the prior hurting blue-collar neighborhoods and the later breaking down social cohesion in more affluent areas.

  63. Chicago’s Chinatown has spilled out into Bridgeport and surrounding neighborhoods.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    I lived in Bridgeport before my current location, and your statement is mostly true - they haven't really gone east into Bronzeville. I wonder why???
  64. Ten years down the road, Jews and Chinese will fight over New York. Me, I’m betting on Jews keeping the city. We’ll see.

  65. The first Chinese mayor will move his office from Gracie mansion to the back room of a greasy chop suey joint in Chinatown, and the Triad will take over where the Mafia left off.

    • Replies: @Alden
    No, he’ll install triple bunk beds in every room and rent out the beds to 250 immigrants.
  66. @Anonymous
    'Bangladeshis...are .... dominating housing projects'.

    Really, I've never ever understood the rationale of importing immigrants only for them to immediately suckle on the public dime.

    Basically all you're doing is importing a liability that never existed before - or to be blunter, burning taxpayers' money.

    I suggest you familiarize yourself with the Cloward-Piven strategy since you’re soaking in it.

  67. @Anonymous
    ...and I always thought that Vancouver was the Chinese entrepot of choice.

    Several observations:

    Firstly, as long as the USA runs a huge trade deficit with China, the USA is obliged by the laws of basic basic economics to offer huge purchases of real estate to China.
    Secondly, knowing the endemic criminality of NYC, perpetrated by certain subsections if its 'ethnic minority' population, it is difficult to envision the oh so rational Chinese, with their well known penchant for order, cleanliness and good housekeeping etc seriously taking to NYC.

    Firstly, as long as the USA runs a huge trade deficit with China, the USA is obliged by the laws of basic basic economics to offer huge purchases of real estate to China.

    I wonder how this process will compare to a similar phenomenon with respect to Japan in the 1980s? IIRC that ended up being the equivalent of lighting a great deal of Japanese money on fire.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/japans-eighties-america-buying-spree-2014-9

    • Replies: @Lot
    The Japanese purchase of some trophy properties were poorly timed. Somewhat like Trump’s 1980s RE binge.

    However, like him, to the extent they held on they benefited from the big 00’s and post-2012 bull markets. And long term, buying US real estate in the 80s and early 90s was a better investment than either Japanese stocks or Japanese real estate. Japanese bonds had a one time bull run until they hit zero yield, and have been stagnant since.

    I believe Trump’s single most valuable asset (or #2) is a 40% share in the most valuable office tower in San Francisco, worth 40% of at least a billion dollars.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    OK, "it's different this time" has become a trope, right, Res, but I'm here to tell you that it's different this time, as the trope is right, because it IS different this time. Back during that time when Americans reckoned the Japanese were going to buy NY City and run all our factories (remember the movie Gung Ho with Tom Hanks?), the US still had BY FAR the biggest economy in the world.

    The Japs had made cameras for a long while, big inroads into the auto market for a decade, and had a lot of cash. OK, now the Chinese make ALMOST EVERYTHING in the consumer market, and a big percentage of industrial equipment. We pay with dollars, and they can use those to buy up big chunks of America if when they want to. See There's a lot of ruin in a nation - Part 3*.

    Anonymous #382 is right.

    .

    * See Part 1 and Part 2
  68. @peterike

    3) If all those Chinese are mixing with white men, you don’t have Chinese offspring (nor white offspring).

     

    At the level of "look at that cute baby!" every mix I've seen registers as Chinese. Sometimes as they age they do take on a weird mixed look, but these children rarely pass for white, far as I can tell. They are obviously at least part Asian. And of course the SJW types among them will always associate with their Asian half and happily scream about "white privilege."

    However, I'm very curious about the attitudes about this among the Chinese. It seems deracinated American whites don't bat an eye about race mixing. No SWPL white feels grief that their grand-child is half Asian. But what do the Chinese feel about it?

    It doesn't seem like much parental authority is being spent on keeping their daughters away from white men. Because it's not working. Is Daddy Chang upset that his daughter is totting around a white or Jewish boyfriend? Or do they just see it as a clever business transaction?

    It’s good for the Jews — they get all the Chinese food they can eat.

  69. It’s already happened in San Francisco and the eastern suburbs of Los Angeles Census says only about 35% Chinese San Francisco. That’s meaningless as Chinese don’t fill our census forms till the 6 generation in America

    One good thing about he San Francisco Chinese. They stay away from the SJW jobs and concentrate on real estate, illegal sweatshop slave labor manufacturing and business,

    My sons both managed to find blue eyed blond wives.

  70. @res

    Firstly, as long as the USA runs a huge trade deficit with China, the USA is obliged by the laws of basic basic economics to offer huge purchases of real estate to China.
     
    I wonder how this process will compare to a similar phenomenon with respect to Japan in the 1980s? IIRC that ended up being the equivalent of lighting a great deal of Japanese money on fire.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/japans-eighties-america-buying-spree-2014-9

    The Japanese purchase of some trophy properties were poorly timed. Somewhat like Trump’s 1980s RE binge.

    However, like him, to the extent they held on they benefited from the big 00’s and post-2012 bull markets. And long term, buying US real estate in the 80s and early 90s was a better investment than either Japanese stocks or Japanese real estate. Japanese bonds had a one time bull run until they hit zero yield, and have been stagnant since.

    I believe Trump’s single most valuable asset (or #2) is a 40% share in the most valuable office tower in San Francisco, worth 40% of at least a billion dollars.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Which tower is that? The new Salesforce Tower is supposed to be the most valuable in the city.
    , @res
    Good point. Do you know how things worked out in practice? My sense was that many of the Japanese were more or less forced to sell at a bad time due to the implosion of their own economy (and remember that there was a recession in the US around the same time), but I have no idea if that is really true. It is possible that a few high profile examples gave a misleading impression.

    Regarding Trump's assets, this looks like a good reference: https://www.forbes.com/donald-trump
    It lists 555 California Street in San Francisco as $452M of his net worth. Which is a little more than the $446M they list for 1290 Avenue of the Americas in NYC. Good memory on your part. Clicking through for more detail indicates that roughly speaking Trump owns a 30% share in each.
  71. Anonymous[371] • Disclaimer says:
    @HA
    "The worlds most important graph and Chinese fertility collapse means that Chinese demographics will struggle to even keep China Chinese.

    Paul Morland pointed out in a recent interview that earlier similar fears that the Japanese would soon take over began to grip the US popular imagination right about the same time that Japan's fertility decline kicked in, which (along with the NY real estate crash) eventually put those fears to rest.

    Paul Morland pointed out in a recent interview that earlier similar fears that the Japanese would soon take over began to grip the US popular imagination right about the same time that Japan’s fertility decline kicked in, which (along with the NY real estate crash) eventually put those fears to rest.

    There are 20-fold more Chinese in the world than Japanese.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    There are 20-fold more Chinese in the world than Japanese.
     
    You had to say "fold", didn't you?


    https://i0.wp.com/waynesword.palomar.edu/images/epican1.jpg
    , @res

    There are 20-fold more Chinese in the world than Japanese.
     
    An important point, but I think it is closer to 10x than 20x.
  72. @attilathehen
    3) If all those Chinese are mixing with white men, you don’t have Chinese offspring (nor white offspring).

    You have Chinese offspring. John Derbysire and his Chinese family are the perfect example. The Chinese mother is busy matchmaking the son with Chinese females. The daughter will most likely marry a black guy (maybe light-skinned black Puerto Rican or Dominican Republican).

    You're just adding to the non-white population in the USA. On the upside, Chinese abortion rates are very high and China is the fastest aging country so many Chinese in the USA will go back to China.

    Derbyshire and his Chinese family are needed in China.

    Oh God, not again.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
    You must be an Asian poontanger. Prove me wrong.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    The original Atilla was a barbarian. Keep that in mind.
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    Only two comments on this article, which seemed tailor-made to bait her. I’d call that an improvement.
  73. @Anonymous
    ...and I always thought that Vancouver was the Chinese entrepot of choice.

    Several observations:

    Firstly, as long as the USA runs a huge trade deficit with China, the USA is obliged by the laws of basic basic economics to offer huge purchases of real estate to China.
    Secondly, knowing the endemic criminality of NYC, perpetrated by certain subsections if its 'ethnic minority' population, it is difficult to envision the oh so rational Chinese, with their well known penchant for order, cleanliness and good housekeeping etc seriously taking to NYC.

    You may be confusing the Chinese with the Japanese. At least some Chinese are not known for cleanliness or order.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    AGREED, Logan, Anon may have dropped the ball on that part. The difference between those two cultures, especially regarding orderliness is STARK! You can see that even flying in at 1,000 feet up.

    Spitting on the ground, getting the kid to take a dump in the sticker bushes in downtown Shanghai, throwing your napkins down onto the restaurant floor simply because you're not the one meant to pick them up, etc. - something tells me the Japanese don't take too kindly to that behavior. Unfortunately, it's 10 to 1, so hopefully there won't be trouble between the two.
  74. @Anonymous
    If might be a pointer, but the USA's legacy Japanese population, which arrived in the early 20th century, has more or less vanished - blended into the mass of American whites by rates of intermarriage greater than 50%.

    That’s true. Even in 1900 they were marrying out. Lots of Jap and nex American marriage because they lived in the same neighborhoods went to school together worked in the same businesses

  75. @Lot
    The Japanese purchase of some trophy properties were poorly timed. Somewhat like Trump’s 1980s RE binge.

    However, like him, to the extent they held on they benefited from the big 00’s and post-2012 bull markets. And long term, buying US real estate in the 80s and early 90s was a better investment than either Japanese stocks or Japanese real estate. Japanese bonds had a one time bull run until they hit zero yield, and have been stagnant since.

    I believe Trump’s single most valuable asset (or #2) is a 40% share in the most valuable office tower in San Francisco, worth 40% of at least a billion dollars.

    Which tower is that? The new Salesforce Tower is supposed to be the most valuable in the city.

    • Replies: @Lot
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/555_California_Street

    Trump’s share is 30%, I remembered the 40% wrong.

    At 2 million square feet, it is worth a billion even at a really low $500 per sq ft valuation.
  76. @AaronB
    This commenter is having you on.

    I live in NY. Outside Flushing and Chinatown you see few Chinese. Williamsburg, the hippest area in town, is incredibly white, as is most of the trendy Brooklyn hoods like Park Slope, Cobble Hill, etc.

    Rare to see Asians there. Even rarer are Asian-white couples. I often remark that at the trendy bars and clubs in Brooklyn or Soho or LES, its nearly all white, with maybe a sprinkling of Asians, unlike the West Coast. I think Asians frequent the hip-hop clubs in Manhattan - I wouldn't know as I never go to these places, but I sometimes see them standing on lines.

    Chinese in NY often tend to much lower class than the West Coast also. Really a completely different element.

    Unlike the West Coast, NY is remarkably white and non-Asian.

    I think there is emerging a new syndrome among certain white people - Chinese derangement syndrome.

    “Chinese in NY often tend to much lower class than the West Coast also.”

    My observation too. I think the poor/illegal Chinese migrants favor NY, while much of our migration goes like this: Rich or upper middle class Dad buys California RE for cash, moves wife and kids there, stays in China until he’s ready to retire or the police state starts to scare him. They may then chain migrate their middle class relatives, though Chinese families are so small that there isn’t too much chain migration.

    • Agree: AaronB
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Slight correction: Dad gets the money out of China before the police start proceedings to recover this bribe money, based on myriad complaints. Dad gets out while he can and family has already gotten Green Cards or citizenship and is in a position to get him his green card.

    It turns out, that no, middle-level Chinese Government officials make only $500 to $1000 monthly, and not really an amount that can get that McMansion in Arcata. Who knew?
    , @Alden
    There are plenty of low class Chinese in California. They’re hidden in sweatshops restaurants and not allowed outside.

    I’ve seen it in San Francisco garages when the doors are open. 10 or so emaciated middle aged men working sewing machines or squatting on the floor slaughtering chickens. A lot of restaurant help live in the restaurant.

    There are plenty of illegal sewing factories in nice suburban areas. The neighbors notice. The labor relations board really cracked down on the slave labor garment factories in Los Angeles. So they just bought single family houses in Orange County and continued operations.
    , @Alden
    Chinese like to hide their money. They prefer to spend it on buying real estate and expanding their crooked corrupt business.
  77. @Anonymous
    If might be a pointer, but the USA's legacy Japanese population, which arrived in the early 20th century, has more or less vanished - blended into the mass of American whites by rates of intermarriage greater than 50%.

    Takes two generations or more before they disappear so the early twentieth century Japs would be invisible by now.

  78. anon[145] • Disclaimer says:
    @SimpleSong
    Not an expert, but my two cents--I've had two nephews marry Asian girls. I tried to get some of this info out of them in a discreet way without ruining Thanksgiving. I found out:

    1.) Parents don't care if they marry white guys because they consider western culture to be reasonably functional. I mean the kids grow up practicing Bach 6 hours a day so clearly they don't have contempt for westerners. However parents would flip out if they brought home a black guy.

    2.) On our side of the family, my brother really didn't care, my sister in law seemed slightly perturbed but nothing too bad. I think it was the same deal for them.

    3.) Asian girls are just killin' it in the dating/marriage market. They have access to the top cohort of both the whites and Asians. I think the high AF outmarriage rates are just because they can get whomever the heck they want. I think this is because WF have damaged their brand, so to speak, by things like pussy hat marches. I don't think WF realize how off putting stuff like that is to most men. You don't want to come home at the end of a long day to someone who seems to prioritize abstract social causes over the immediate family, or views you as 'the enemy.'

    4.) My 5 grand-nephews range from looking mostly asian to looking like dark haired whites. Two of them just look like darker haired Bavarians to me. None of them look totally Asian because they all have brown hair, although it will probably darken with age.

    Yep, impossible not to notice the White Male / Asian Female pairs in the more affluent areas of major metros.

    Reading through blogs, POC Guy & While Female interracial dating is often portrayed as a sign of the dying Stale Pale Male.

    But it may also be a case that Asian women are “simply doing the jobs that white women just won’t do” — i.e., being a normal, supportive spouse for upwardly mobile White guys. Suspect a lot of this POC Guy / White Female, is the result of these White Females being displaced at the high end of the dating market, which trickles downward.

    Also think what has killed the White Female brand is divorce horror stories, which are often initiated by the woman. Younger white guys seem to have wised up.

    • Replies: @jbwilson24
    "Asian women are “simply doing the jobs that white women just won’t do” — i.e., being a normal, supportive spouse for upwardly mobile White guys"

    Well, can you really blame anyone for avoiding white females? Asian women have higher levels of education, higher levels of income, a lower tendency to get fat or to have bad skin, significant advantages in terms of work ethic, higher levels of mental illness, etc.

    I wouldn't touch the average white North American / Western woman with a ten foot pole anymore. They were fine to date back in the day when I was not looking to settle down, but to find a decent one to marry is next to impossible. I married a foreigner rather than sift through legions of harpies looking for someone who isn't going to sell the family jewels to fund Hillary's latest book tour.
    , @Clyde
    Very perceptive and in front of the big curve. Seriously, a v good breakdown.
    , @Anonymous
    On looks alone the average-looking Asian female would rank in the top 5% of white females. You add in the personality traits of NE Asians listed by the late J. Philippe Rushton in his Race, Evolution, and Behavior and then add in how well Asian females age and you’re talking about the Platonic Form of woman/wife for white males.
  79. @neutral
    Not buying this one bit, here is why.
    1) The worlds most important graph and Chinese fertility collapse means that Chinese demographics will struggle to even keep China Chinese.
    2) The (((people))) that truly run New York do so by other means and not by voting numbers.
    3) If all those Chinese are mixing with white men, you don't have Chinese offspring (nor white offspring).

    You may be right, Neutral, about NYC (I neither know nor care), but I don’t agree with (1). There are 1,400,000,000 people or so in China, in an area that is not abut 60% the size of the US (don’t go by the map that includes Tibet and Xinjian(?), as that is just high desert – also a huge portion of China is mountainous compared to the US).

    The Chinese government does not even want China-born Chinese people to return there to stay, if they can stop them, i.e. depending on their citizenship. Just like Japan, I think they’ll be just fine with fewer people. They’ve been overpopulated since like, the Poontang dynasty, from my reading, and the name explains it very well!

    BTW, it’s coincidental, but Japan has just about an even 10% of China’s population. Upon reading about the “big” population decline there, I think it’s been only a couple of million so far out of 140,000,000. Yes, I know it could accelerate, but still, it’s not at all a bad thing on a few pieces of land that add up to less than the size of California, which was damnably crowded to me, even before the huge influx of illegal/legal immigrants, and now at what, 40 million people?

  80. New York is awash in Chinese, with the 2017 estimate being 628,763. But who’s kidding who? Chinese illegal immigration is huge, especially at the low end, and my bet is the real number is well over a million.

    You’re kidding you about the validity of your ass-pulls.

    The Census Bureau puts the net increase in the number of ethnic Chinese in the Counties of Kings, Queens, and New York at about 115,000 over a seven year period (2010-17). The net increase in part-Chinese is around 12,000 during that period. It’ll be a while before they demographically dominate New York CIty. The total population of those counties increased by 380.000

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    The Census Bureau puts the net increase in the number of ethnic Chinese...
     
    Yeah, because they're all counted in the census, right? I know of an illegal alien operation out of Newark, New Jersey that involves sending these illegal immigrants all over the country in buses. Do you think all those waiters and waitresses at the Chinese restaurants are family just because they look the same? You racist, you! ;-} Learn about the The China to King Buffet pipeline.
  81. @res

    Firstly, as long as the USA runs a huge trade deficit with China, the USA is obliged by the laws of basic basic economics to offer huge purchases of real estate to China.
     
    I wonder how this process will compare to a similar phenomenon with respect to Japan in the 1980s? IIRC that ended up being the equivalent of lighting a great deal of Japanese money on fire.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/japans-eighties-america-buying-spree-2014-9

    OK, “it’s different this time” has become a trope, right, Res, but I’m here to tell you that it’s different this time, as the trope is right, because it IS different this time. Back during that time when Americans reckoned the Japanese were going to buy NY City and run all our factories (remember the movie Gung Ho with Tom Hanks?), the US still had BY FAR the biggest economy in the world.

    The Japs had made cameras for a long while, big inroads into the auto market for a decade, and had a lot of cash. OK, now the Chinese make ALMOST EVERYTHING in the consumer market, and a big percentage of industrial equipment. We pay with dollars, and they can use those to buy up big chunks of America if when they want to. See There’s a lot of ruin in a nation – Part 3*.

    Anonymous #382 is right.

    .

    * See Part 1 and Part 2

  82. @neutral
    Not buying this one bit, here is why.
    1) The worlds most important graph and Chinese fertility collapse means that Chinese demographics will struggle to even keep China Chinese.
    2) The (((people))) that truly run New York do so by other means and not by voting numbers.
    3) If all those Chinese are mixing with white men, you don't have Chinese offspring (nor white offspring).

    With the mixing you get “hybrid vigor.” Though you also can get a combo of the creativity of a rice farmer with the diligence of a shepherd. I hope this comment is cryptic enough that anyone with anything less than the creativity of a shepherd will not “get it.”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I hope this comment is cryptic enough that anyone with anything less than the creativity of a shepherd will not “get it.”
     
    Shepherds can be quite creative with their flocks. Ask any Italian about Sardinians.
    , @LondonBob
    Mixed race children have a higher incidence of mental health problems, the further away the races the higher the probability.
  83. @Abelard Lindsey
    I agree. The one thing we can say about the Chinese as a people is that they tend to be an intelligent, competent race. So I have no problem with them becoming a dominate influence in NYC.

    Our Chinese overlords will be doing the dominating that white Americans just won’t do.

  84. @Logan
    You may be confusing the Chinese with the Japanese. At least some Chinese are not known for cleanliness or order.

    AGREED, Logan, Anon may have dropped the ball on that part. The difference between those two cultures, especially regarding orderliness is STARK! You can see that even flying in at 1,000 feet up.

    Spitting on the ground, getting the kid to take a dump in the sticker bushes in downtown Shanghai, throwing your napkins down onto the restaurant floor simply because you’re not the one meant to pick them up, etc. – something tells me the Japanese don’t take too kindly to that behavior. Unfortunately, it’s 10 to 1, so hopefully there won’t be trouble between the two.

    • Replies: @Logan
    Among other things I've done in life, I spent several years cleaning carpets. One night a week we'd clean commercial carpets including restaurants. The Chinese restaurant kitchens were spectacularly more filthy than others.

    FWIW
  85. everytime I see pictures of high-end restaurants in yelp and trip advisor, there’s always chinese people. only chinese people.

    in europe specially. they’re colonizing the western world

  86. @Jack D
    I doubt it. Most likely it will end up like Vancouver - approximately 1/2 Asian at most.

    Vancouver is dominated by the Chinese and it’s awful.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    Fair winds brought them here. Fair winds will take them away.

    Shut off the power and water for a couple years. Can you imagine what will happen when they can no longer post emoticons to social media?

    Dust in the wind.
  87. @neutral
    Not buying this one bit, here is why.
    1) The worlds most important graph and Chinese fertility collapse means that Chinese demographics will struggle to even keep China Chinese.
    2) The (((people))) that truly run New York do so by other means and not by voting numbers.
    3) If all those Chinese are mixing with white men, you don't have Chinese offspring (nor white offspring).

    A sizable bloc of Chinese voters is almost always a good thing for White people in the same jurisdiction. They are for law and order, meritocracy, and good schools. Plus they are immune to super-annoying white guilt complex.

    They also don’t seem to have the same hyper-developed political drive as Jews in terms of controlling institutions.

    So I’d say the Yellow Peril is pretty low on the list of existential threats to traditional America.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    My agree button has expired so I will say that you have somehow some ways lurched or stumbled into the truth.
    , @Alden
    Whatever they profess in private, Asians are firmly in the Democrat party and vote Democrat thus putting the black Jewish party in power.

    It’s incredible the the way Asians complain about the blacks in the public schools and blacks shoplifting and holding up their stores, but they always vote with the blacks as Democrats
    , @J.Ross
    >After MS-13 members stabbed a Virginia teen a hundred times and Ferguson rioters have turned up dead the Yellow Peril doesn't seem all that perilous
    Peterike's entirely correct point is that while mestizos capture urban welfare and medicare resources, and hottentots rediscover fire, the Han will have both top level control of the country and long-lasting control of laws and culture.
    , @J.Ross
    It's all orderly queues and quiet libraries until their kids grow up with the Han equivalent of Westoxification and they embrace destructive leftism as an identity.
  88. @Art Deco
    New York is awash in Chinese, with the 2017 estimate being 628,763. But who’s kidding who? Chinese illegal immigration is huge, especially at the low end, and my bet is the real number is well over a million.

    You're kidding you about the validity of your ass-pulls.

    The Census Bureau puts the net increase in the number of ethnic Chinese in the Counties of Kings, Queens, and New York at about 115,000 over a seven year period (2010-17). The net increase in part-Chinese is around 12,000 during that period. It'll be a while before they demographically dominate New York CIty. The total population of those counties increased by 380.000

    The Census Bureau puts the net increase in the number of ethnic Chinese…

    Yeah, because they’re all counted in the census, right? I know of an illegal alien operation out of Newark, New Jersey that involves sending these illegal immigrants all over the country in buses. Do you think all those waiters and waitresses at the Chinese restaurants are family just because they look the same? You racist, you! ;-} Learn about the The China to King Buffet pipeline.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I only eat Chinese at the Hy-Vee or other supermarkets where I know, or at least have good reason to believe, the help is at least legal. Their Chinese is pretty generic, but that way I'm not financing illegal immigration.

    Same with gas. I try to go to Quik-Trip despite the fact I've told Chet Caddieux to his face he's a hard-on, (and he is), because he hires legals only, mostly white, upscale blacks or orientals that are obviously US born. Elsewise I'll buy gas from Hy-Vee, or Costco.

    The 7-11 is owned by desis and I've had times when third shift I've been stuck outside, doors locked, and an subcontinental clerk is sleeping his ass off behind the register in full view. The Amocos and Shells hire Indians/Paks and Africans respectively that speak English only barely. Only the threat of running dry makes me buy gas there and when I do it's a couple of gallons to get me to a better station.
  89. @Endgame Napoleon
    If the choice is only between high-earning mass immigration and mass immigrantion that is dominated by welfare-eligible low earners, yes, that is a better option only if it reduces income inequality by providing more competition for high-wage jobs.

    But immigrant temp workers, brought in to displace the mid-earning citizens, do not serve that function, not even when the immigrant temps immediately reproduce, giving them an anchor into this country, even though their wages are too high to qualify them for the platter of welfare-for-womb-productivity treats.

    Womb-productive immigrant temp work do get the uphiked Trump non-refundable child tax credit, even though they remove scarce rungs from the ladder to the middle class for US citizens, like crucial job experience that can lead to better jobs.

    At the high end, high-earning immigrants might not reduce wealth concentration as much as some immigration scholars think due to 1) the wealth concentration effect of assortative mating and 2) race-biased hiring among cronyist minorities who are above critique for it due to 1) their skin pigmentation and 2) the fact that people with kids, in general, are above critique despite various forms of awful workplace behavior, like libertine absenteeism.

    What makes you think those immigrant women won’t take another scarce, high-paying job out of the economy, keeping two jobs that could support two separate households in middle-class style under one roof, rather than risking family capital to create jobs for US citizens, thereby reducing income inequality?

    Today’s affluent immigrants most certainly are not creating many jobs for US citizens as advertised. When they do create jobs, the jobs often go to family members or other immigrants.

    We would not have 95 million US citizens—ages 16 to 65–out of the labor force or a part-time worker representing the average worker in the USA if immigrants were the job-manufacturing force that they are peddled to be by the media. They may create a lot of jobs for extended family via chain migration and race-based, non-racist cronyism.

    Whether or not they marry whites, there is a lot of racist hiring & retention going on among minorites. There is probably more intermarriage among whites and Asians in the top-earning eschelon than intermarriage between Hispanics and whites at the lowest wage level, albeit more whites marry Blacks at the low end of the economic laddder.

    From a visual standpoint, you can only distinguish subtle differences between a mixed white / Asian person or a mixed white / Hispanic person and a 100%-white person after one generation of interbreeding. But that does not prevent diluted “minorities” from capitalizing on their fractional racial oppression through calculating and hypocritical use of affirmative action laws.

    Whereas, a white guy in an 80%-minority-staffed government agency would have to be the first midget to impregnate a robot to get an affirmative-action case before the SCOTUS and its coming-soon, sexual-harassment-proof robotic law clerks.

    The case of a white, male midget—denied his 12-month paid family leave for a mixed bot /human love child—might be atypical enough to span the entire range of possible discrimination complaints across the wide range of majority-minority workplaces in the USA. A midget with a half-breed robot child would be exotic enough set some serious precedent.

    But fifty years after the Civil Rights Act, and after a two-term Black POTUS, any old racism charge will do if you are a full-scale minority, a half-minority, a one-fourth minority or even a decimal-grade minority. Maybe, the broad middle class will return when white guys start breeding with attractive robots.

    Wouldn’t it be better to reduce income inequality by reducing the number of low skilled workers thus raising their wages instead of increasing the number of high skilled workers thus lowering wages for high skilled workers ?

  90. Anon[413] • Disclaimer says:

    Difference between Chinese and Indians is that Indians prefer cousin marriage – Chinese culturally understand cousin marriage is bad. Over time this is why the Indians stay in the caste they started in.

    When you look at Vancouver the Chinese have not really contributed much to Canada. As a Canadian it is always funny to read how in the US the Indians and Chinese are sooooo much smarter than whites. I think it is because the Asians who go to the USA self select and you get the ones that want to study hard. Come to Vancouver and I can show you lots of stupid Asians. At least with blacks the schools get decent sports teams.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    At least with blacks the schools get decent sports teams.
     
    OK, now you're talking. You've got my support for Blacks over Orientals ... NOT.
    , @anon
    Dot Indian, Pakistani, Sri Lankan, or Chinese, their ideal is a Public Service job.
    They can't compete with Whites in private practice in the Professions, because they're not smart enough, and they don't have any integrity.
    They either exploit their countrymen through sweatshop labour, or they destroy the Public Service through nepotism and incompetence.
    , @anon
    >Come to Vancouver and I can show you lots of stupid Asians. At least with blacks the schools get decent sports teams.

    lol. Ohhhkayyyy. Somebody has evidently never experienced the wonders of enrichment from truly large-scale NAM diversity.

    Decrying mere drab mediocrity. Oh the horrors!

  91. according to census 33,3% of the nyc population is non-hispanic white. some data also said that 18% of the population of the city is jewish. assuming that, say, 90% of such jews are non-hispanic white (hehe very low estimate). so this means only around 17% of the population if real goyim white… this in 2010!

    asians are 12,7%. who knows what those asians are, though

  92. @Anonymous Jew
    I consider myself an Anglo-American separatist and would prefer a country with a strong White majority (>90%). That said, I live in a mostly Chinese neighborhood in SF and under Chinese rule you can at least go about your daily life without being 'molested'. Yes, in China proper there's no real Western rule of law, but my experience with the American-ish Chinese isn't half bad. They're generally friendly and congenial neighbors. In fact, if it were only the Chinese in our neighborhood (ie no risk of schizophrenic homeless people wandering in) I would have no problems with my wife walking to the corner store alone at 10 pm. Needles to say, this is much, much better than my experience growing up next to a Black neighborhood and going to half Black schools.

    Absolutely, the Chinese “benevolent dictator” model is an easy model to live within. Anarchy is a bitch. The old Chinese curse: may you live in uncertain times, has “some legs.”

  93. @Hypnotoad666
    A sizable bloc of Chinese voters is almost always a good thing for White people in the same jurisdiction. They are for law and order, meritocracy, and good schools. Plus they are immune to super-annoying white guilt complex.

    They also don't seem to have the same hyper-developed political drive as Jews in terms of controlling institutions.

    So I'd say the Yellow Peril is pretty low on the list of existential threats to traditional America.

    My agree button has expired so I will say that you have somehow some ways lurched or stumbled into the truth.

  94. @Hypnotoad666
    A sizable bloc of Chinese voters is almost always a good thing for White people in the same jurisdiction. They are for law and order, meritocracy, and good schools. Plus they are immune to super-annoying white guilt complex.

    They also don't seem to have the same hyper-developed political drive as Jews in terms of controlling institutions.

    So I'd say the Yellow Peril is pretty low on the list of existential threats to traditional America.

    Whatever they profess in private, Asians are firmly in the Democrat party and vote Democrat thus putting the black Jewish party in power.

    It’s incredible the the way Asians complain about the blacks in the public schools and blacks shoplifting and holding up their stores, but they always vote with the blacks as Democrats

  95. @JerryC
    I think most people familiar with Vancouver would describe it as "Chinese-dominated".

    This, but at least he had a good reason to bring up a nineteenth century pamphlet that nobody reads. Oh wait, he didn’t.

  96. New York is awash in Chinese, with the 2017 estimate being 628,763. But who’s kidding who? Chinese illegal immigration is huge, especially at the low end, and my bet is the real number is well over a million.

    The census counts everyone, legal and illegal. There are major league campaigns in every municipality in the country to make sure that their illegals are counted, because everyone else’s is, and federal monies are allocated on the basis of census counts.

    https://thecensusproject.org/tag/federal-funding/

    That’s not even considering the fact that electoral votes and congressional seats are also allocated on the basis of those population counts. Bottom line is that while we don’t know for sure what proportion of people are legal vs illegal, we do know how many people there are in the country by ethnicity, assuming that people don’t systematically lie about ethnicity on census counts.

  97. @Hypnotoad666
    A sizable bloc of Chinese voters is almost always a good thing for White people in the same jurisdiction. They are for law and order, meritocracy, and good schools. Plus they are immune to super-annoying white guilt complex.

    They also don't seem to have the same hyper-developed political drive as Jews in terms of controlling institutions.

    So I'd say the Yellow Peril is pretty low on the list of existential threats to traditional America.

    >After MS-13 members stabbed a Virginia teen a hundred times and Ferguson rioters have turned up dead the Yellow Peril doesn’t seem all that perilous
    Peterike’s entirely correct point is that while mestizos capture urban welfare and medicare resources, and hottentots rediscover fire, the Han will have both top level control of the country and long-lasting control of laws and culture.

  98. My favorite Chinese New Yorker is Howard Lim. But he’s in Westchester, not the city.

  99. Anonymous[197] • Disclaimer says:
    @HallParvey
    Shouldn't this be called Yellow Supremacy?

    “Shouldn’t this be called Yellow Supremacy?”

    Jews: Fellow Whites

    Chinese: Yellow Whites

  100. @res

    But, then again, if this new Queens apartment building isn’t out of reach of section 8, it’ll be a dumpster fire within a couple years anyway.
     
    It will be interesting to see how Chinese attitudes interact with the American tendency to coddle blacks--under threat of legal sanction.

    It will be interesting to see how Chinese attitudes interact with the American tendency to coddle blacks–under threat of legal sanction.

    “Hey, hey, hey, this is library” vs. “Go back to Beijing!”

    • Replies: @res
    I don't know. My sense is Chinese businessmen are a good bit more hard-nosed than the “Hey, hey, hey, this is library” guy.
  101. Anonymous[121] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ibound1
    Every Asian woman I know is married to a white guy. I don’t know what the hell their men do. The offspring will be for all purposes, White - because the women want it that way and I’ve seen it. Except those offspring can claim diversity points. That’s a good thing. The more high IQ, middle and upper class people claiming diversity points, the better. If we have to reserve spots, may as well reserve them for people who are competent and would get in anyway.

    “Except those offspring can claim diversity points.”

    Being half-Asian a benefit for Affirmative Action? Not likely.

  102. @Anonymous

    Paul Morland pointed out in a recent interview that earlier similar fears that the Japanese would soon take over began to grip the US popular imagination right about the same time that Japan’s fertility decline kicked in, which (along with the NY real estate crash) eventually put those fears to rest.
     
    There are 20-fold more Chinese in the world than Japanese.

    There are 20-fold more Chinese in the world than Japanese.

    You had to say “fold”, didn’t you?

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    In the future, the best genetic traits of whites and Asians will be combined to produce the Arysian Übermensch:
    https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/gerber-baby-down-syndrome.jpg
    , @Bill P
    The epicanthic fold shows up sporadically in my family. On the Scottish side, so I seriously doubt there's a Mongol in the woodpile. It's not all that uncommon for northern Euros to have it.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Unless you've got two butt shots to match, I'm going with the daughter sight unseen. These are not the folds I am looking for.

    LOL!

    I had to do this myself, because, I am, seriously, like literally LOLing.
  103. Anonymous[606] • Disclaimer says:
    @Spangel
    I’ll take a Chinese dominated city over the Jew dominated city it has been for decades.

    “I’ll take a Chinese dominated city over the Jew dominated city it has been for decades.”

    Would it make a difference? If, as people say, Chinese lack originality, their views will be those of Jews who run the elite institutions. Asian domination of Hawaii hasn’t made it any less ‘pozzed’ than LA or San Fran.

  104. Will New York Become a Chinese-Dominated City?

    New York City will be retaken by the White Core American Patriots and the non-Whites and non-Christians that will be displaced will be put on barges and towed to sub-Saharan Africa.

    Andrew Yang, Chinese-American politician shyster running for president in the Democrat Party primary, claims that automation and not immigration will displace US workers. Obviously, both automation and immigration will displace American workers.

    I hereby challenge Andrew Yang to a 4 hour debate on mass legal immigration and illegal immigration and American national identity and foreign policy and trade policy. To make the debate more interesting, I propose that before the debate, that both Yang and I each imbibe 12 bottles of porter ale brewed by the beer company based in Chico, California.

    Yang may have 30 or so IQ points on me, but I have ancestors who were here before there was a United States and I have at least one ancestor who fought in the American Colonial Secessionary War from the British Empire.

    The Pewitt Conjured Loot Portion will be 10 thousand dollars a month. Compare and contrast that sum to Andrew Yang’s paltry 1 thousand dollars a month. The Pewitt Conjured Loot Portion will send a 500 hundred pound bomb right down the smokestack of the Yang Yacht.

    Anchors Aweigh On Your Yacht, Yang!

  105. @Anonymous Jew
    I consider myself an Anglo-American separatist and would prefer a country with a strong White majority (>90%). That said, I live in a mostly Chinese neighborhood in SF and under Chinese rule you can at least go about your daily life without being 'molested'. Yes, in China proper there's no real Western rule of law, but my experience with the American-ish Chinese isn't half bad. They're generally friendly and congenial neighbors. In fact, if it were only the Chinese in our neighborhood (ie no risk of schizophrenic homeless people wandering in) I would have no problems with my wife walking to the corner store alone at 10 pm. Needles to say, this is much, much better than my experience growing up next to a Black neighborhood and going to half Black schools.

    “Needles to say”

    In San Francisco, I would bet that that was a Freudian slip rather than a typo.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Jew
    haha - good catch! Yes, it's sad what the left has done to this city. Pathological altruism in action.
  106. What will our non-consensually yellowed future be like? An anonymous Russian hacker notes:

    A poll of over 2000 Chinese people was done on WeChat, the most popular Chinese social media app, and found that after reading the manifesto, 76% sympathized with Brenton Tarrant.

    Read more: https://wp.me/p3ArEn-fRX

    A different commenter adds:

    China is almost a modern version of national socialism. Their ideas are pretty spot on when it comes to the state benefiting the nation.

  107. @SimpleSong
    Not an expert, but my two cents--I've had two nephews marry Asian girls. I tried to get some of this info out of them in a discreet way without ruining Thanksgiving. I found out:

    1.) Parents don't care if they marry white guys because they consider western culture to be reasonably functional. I mean the kids grow up practicing Bach 6 hours a day so clearly they don't have contempt for westerners. However parents would flip out if they brought home a black guy.

    2.) On our side of the family, my brother really didn't care, my sister in law seemed slightly perturbed but nothing too bad. I think it was the same deal for them.

    3.) Asian girls are just killin' it in the dating/marriage market. They have access to the top cohort of both the whites and Asians. I think the high AF outmarriage rates are just because they can get whomever the heck they want. I think this is because WF have damaged their brand, so to speak, by things like pussy hat marches. I don't think WF realize how off putting stuff like that is to most men. You don't want to come home at the end of a long day to someone who seems to prioritize abstract social causes over the immediate family, or views you as 'the enemy.'

    4.) My 5 grand-nephews range from looking mostly asian to looking like dark haired whites. Two of them just look like darker haired Bavarians to me. None of them look totally Asian because they all have brown hair, although it will probably darken with age.

    You don’t want to come home at the end of a long day to someone who seems to prioritize abstract social causes over the immediate family, or views you as ‘the enemy.’

    This was popular on aprons in the 1970s:

  108. When was the last time Americans considered NY City an American city?

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    Maybe 9/11
  109. @haole
    The down fall of asian communities in the western world is the same as in Asia, corruption. I am basing this on Hawaii which is the most Asian enclave in a western country. We may have high IQ asians but none of our government services work worth a damn. The brown Asians: phillipinos, samoans etc are not better off under Asian rule, they did just as well under the Missionaries. (I cant support that statement but would love too.) Asian democracy suffers because Asians have poor impulse control, the impulse to be corrupt is the same impulse that makes them gamble and be bad drivers. The good side of the impulse /gamble compulsion is they want to start small businesses. I think high IQ low impulse control could be a good thing, or a thing, a pattern. Low IQ / low impulse control is a disaster.

    dont expect Asians to become republicans. Half the Asians, the male half, see themselves as losers to whites, they may have good jobs and money but the high SMV girls go to the more masculine men of other races. That is why they vote like blacks as far as I can see. If Asians become republicans expect the Republican politicians to favor open borders with Asia.

    This also disproves the idea that once there is an Asian mayor of NYC, there will never again be a non-Asian mayor.

    The 5 main elected offices in Hawaii — Governor, 2 Senators, 2 Congressmen, and Mayor of Honolulu — have switched back and forth among the races.

    For example, of the 8 Governors, 4 have been white, 3 Asian and 1 Native Hawaiian.

    I lived in Hawaii briefly almost 40 years ago. I think at that time the Governor and both Senators were Asian, as was at least one Congressman. The Mayor of Honolulu was white.

    Weird but true — a friend of a friend, one of the most radical left-wing attorneys in Honolulu, got the Republican nomination for mayor while I was there. He was from the Midwest, which used to have left wing Republicans. I went to his birthday party around the time he announced, and a lot of people thought the story he was running as a Republican was a joke. I remember some very drunk Native Hawaiians apologizing all night for their error.

    • Replies: @haole
    Yes, the politicians in Hawaii come in various races and no one cares because they all seem to get the same results. So in New York 20 years from now, if it follows Hawaiis pattern, the politicians will come in various colors and shapes and have similar levels of corruption and incompetence. Dont expect public services and taxes to be like in the mid west. New York will be a sort of nice third world city, better than Manila but dont send your kids to the public schools. It wont be like Detroit with an all black city hall and a more complete collapse of civilization. Asian dominated USA is livable but definitely a lower standard than the old white USA.

    Chinese in Singapore and Japanese have some of the cleanest well organized cities. Manla, bangkok and jakarta all have sizable and powerful chinese minorities, they are chaos. A New York that is 30 percent chinese will probably end up like Bangkok, sort of.

    , @Art Deco
    He was from the Midwest, which used to have left wing Republicans.

    No place in American ever had much in the way of 'left-wing' Republicans. You've had liberal Republicans, but there haven't been any in Congress in a dozen years and you'd be hard put to find one who was first elected to Congress after 1986 or thereabouts. They didn't have the machine or union affiliations of northern Democrats and commonly had somewhat tony backgrounds. They weren't particularly common in the Rustbelt or Plains, though you had some. More New England, the New York - Washington corridor, and the Bay Area - Seattle corridor.
    , @Jack D
    Hawaii (like NYC) is one of those places where the Republican party doesn't really exist and so the people who run as "Republicans" (like Bloomberg, or Trump for that matter) aren't really Republicans, they are not even RINOS - they just think that they can't get the Democrat nomination for some reason and so run on the Republican line as a flag of convenience.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    I lived in Hawaii briefly almost 40 years ago. I think at that time the Governor and both Senators were Asian, as was at least one Congressman.
     
    I lived in Hawaii over 50 years ago. There were no Asians at all there at the time.

    Over a third of the population was Japanese, another tenth or sixth or so Chinese, and some Koreans, Philippines, and others. But nobody was "Asian".

    As for me, I was haole.
  110. some years ago the banking mafia made a deal with China/India – unlimited immigration to the US in exchange for full access to the Chinese/Indian financial sectors.

  111. @SunBakedSuburb
    NYC will become a more interesting place if the author of the above comment is correct. Never a big fan of the Big Apple; always thought the city was a hollow drama queen. And in recent years, with it becoming a headquarters for Millennial SJWs, the tedium and rot intensified. Becoming a center for white/Chinese miscegenation and Sino-espionage can only improve the idiot-harpy metropolis. Although, the influx of Hong Kong Chinese into Vancouver B.C. has made that beautiful city unaffordable for the natives.

    Although, the influx of Hong Kong Chinese into Vancouver B.C. has made that beautiful city unaffordable for the natives.

    That also happened because lots of natives decided get rich off the influx.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    Yup. And now Vancouver has a lot of pricey glass box condos.
    , @BenKenobi
    A pox on both of them?
  112. High density NYC development has the same future as high density development in Shanghai. Beijing, and any density development anywhere in Africa. (Malthus was an optimist.)

  113. @Lot
    The Japanese purchase of some trophy properties were poorly timed. Somewhat like Trump’s 1980s RE binge.

    However, like him, to the extent they held on they benefited from the big 00’s and post-2012 bull markets. And long term, buying US real estate in the 80s and early 90s was a better investment than either Japanese stocks or Japanese real estate. Japanese bonds had a one time bull run until they hit zero yield, and have been stagnant since.

    I believe Trump’s single most valuable asset (or #2) is a 40% share in the most valuable office tower in San Francisco, worth 40% of at least a billion dollars.

    Good point. Do you know how things worked out in practice? My sense was that many of the Japanese were more or less forced to sell at a bad time due to the implosion of their own economy (and remember that there was a recession in the US around the same time), but I have no idea if that is really true. It is possible that a few high profile examples gave a misleading impression.

    Regarding Trump’s assets, this looks like a good reference: https://www.forbes.com/donald-trump
    It lists 555 California Street in San Francisco as $452M of his net worth. Which is a little more than the $446M they list for 1290 Avenue of the Americas in NYC. Good memory on your part. Clicking through for more detail indicates that roughly speaking Trump owns a 30% share in each.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    My sense was that many of the Japanese were more or less forced to sell at a bad time due to the implosion of their own economy
     
    Yup, many of them did buy high and sell low.
    , @Lot
    “Do you know how things worked out in practice? ”

    No, but my very general observation is having poor timing on the buy is correlated with poor timing on the sale.

    On the other hand, Japan has mostly let its insolvent banks and big companies not make payments on loans rather than force asset sales and bankruptcies.

    So I bet there are still a ton of low-key/high value Japanese owned assets throughout the coastal USA.
  114. @Anonymous
    If might be a pointer, but the USA's legacy Japanese population, which arrived in the early 20th century, has more or less vanished - blended into the mass of American whites by rates of intermarriage greater than 50%.

    If might be a pointer, but the USA’s legacy Japanese population, which arrived in the early 20th century, has more or less vanished – blended into the mass of American whites by rates of intermarriage greater than 50%.

    Yup, and that’s happening with Koreans in America before our eyes. I recently read the data, and not only has Korean immigration declined substantially since its heyday in the ‘80’s, the absolute number of people identifying as Korean in America has shrunk in the past 20 years.

    Will it happen with the Chinese as well? I think it’s likely, even though it might not look that way today as the present is probably the peak of Chinese immigration.

  115. @Alden
    Oh God, not again.

    You must be an Asian poontanger. Prove me wrong.

  116. @Twinkie

    It will be interesting to see how Chinese attitudes interact with the American tendency to coddle blacks–under threat of legal sanction.
     
    “Hey, hey, hey, this is library” vs. “Go back to Beijing!”

    I don’t know. My sense is Chinese businessmen are a good bit more hard-nosed than the “Hey, hey, hey, this is library” guy.

  117. @Anonymous
    They are among the most corrupt people on earth. Without even the pretext of some psuedo religous morality. Particularly relativist among overseas chinese.
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    I find it fascinating that there are no data for Macau. What are they hiding?

    Same is true for French Guiana and Western Sahara. The former is formally part of France, which would make it tied with Uruguay for the openest place on the continent.

    As for North America, St Pierre and Miquelon are missing, as is Puerto Rico. The five microstates of Europe aren't represented, either.
  118. Chinatown architecture in New York. One sees this pattern all over Queen now.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Daniel. What's with the door grills? I see those in the Buffalo inner city. Is that neighborhood sketchy?
  119. @SimpleSong
    Not an expert, but my two cents--I've had two nephews marry Asian girls. I tried to get some of this info out of them in a discreet way without ruining Thanksgiving. I found out:

    1.) Parents don't care if they marry white guys because they consider western culture to be reasonably functional. I mean the kids grow up practicing Bach 6 hours a day so clearly they don't have contempt for westerners. However parents would flip out if they brought home a black guy.

    2.) On our side of the family, my brother really didn't care, my sister in law seemed slightly perturbed but nothing too bad. I think it was the same deal for them.

    3.) Asian girls are just killin' it in the dating/marriage market. They have access to the top cohort of both the whites and Asians. I think the high AF outmarriage rates are just because they can get whomever the heck they want. I think this is because WF have damaged their brand, so to speak, by things like pussy hat marches. I don't think WF realize how off putting stuff like that is to most men. You don't want to come home at the end of a long day to someone who seems to prioritize abstract social causes over the immediate family, or views you as 'the enemy.'

    4.) My 5 grand-nephews range from looking mostly asian to looking like dark haired whites. Two of them just look like darker haired Bavarians to me. None of them look totally Asian because they all have brown hair, although it will probably darken with age.

    My 5 grand-nephews range from looking mostly asian to looking like dark haired whites. Two of them just look like darker haired Bavarians to me. None of them look totally Asian because they all have brown hair, although it will probably darken with age.

    One of my daughters has green eyes (from my wife) and reddish/auburn hair (via me, from my mother). I’m 99.9% East Asian, but several times more likely to have lighter hair and eyes than the average East Asian genetic profile at 23andme (I have very dark brown hair, but copper beard and body hair). Apparently, that’s from Asian Neanderthal genes.

    My oldest son has the most blondish hair among the kids. He has brown ends, but blond roots. My wife and I thought that he’d grow out of it, but he’s kept it.

    My wife is 99.9% British/Irish, German, and Scandinavian. Our children are “Arctic Alliance” personified. They see themselves as whites with a touch of the exotic. Or, more accurately, they see themselves as all-American, only with spicy condiments. They don’t have much of a “race consciousness.”

    • Replies: @dwb
    I'm curious as to what part of the country you live in.

    I live in San Francisco, and I see the second generation Asian immigrants absorbing a lot of the "woke" BS that prevails here. The newcomers are not, as you say, "conscious" and appear more interested in how to maximize their opportunities. The kids (and especially the next gen) are far more interested in the SWPL.

    One of the biggest mouths out there is Ted Lieu.
    , @Jack D
    I have several friends who are Chinese American. They are educated people with professional or advanced degrees. Some are married to whites and some not, but pretty much uniformly if they were raised in America then the main culture that they identify with is American. Mostly they can't even speak Chinese. They are pretty much indistinguishable in their interests from any other well educated white with their socioeconomic background (mostly their parents were professional people too). I would call them bananas - yellow on the outside, white on the inside. And their kids are even more American if such a thing is possible.

    In the case of mixed race people it really doesn't take long to lose all vestige of connection to the original culture and sometimes even appearance. We have new neighbors. The wife is 1/2 Indian but born and raised in Wisconsin (I think that 40 or 50 years ago there was a smaller South Asian community in America so it was MORE common for Indian men to intermarry). She looks and sounds white (this is surely bolstered by the fact that her clothes, hairstyle, makeup, etc. are all that of a white person), her husband is white and their kids are just ordinary American kids with an exotic grandpa. Recently she described to me the experience of having to go to India with her dad to scatter her grandma's ashes in the Ganges. She described India as being completely horrifying to her, as horrifying as it would be to any good Midwestern girl. You could tell that she was looking at it with American eyes and viewed it as a completely alien place.

    Maybe Mexicans hang onto their culture longer and blacks have no choice but to be seen as black, but I think folks here underestimate how quickly high functioning Asians disappear into elite American society.

    , @Bill P
    N.E. Asian men with white wives can produce some very attractive daughters. More so than the more common white male/oriental female from what I've seen. Consequently, I support such pairings for aesthetic reasons -- more beauty is a good thing.
  120. To follow up on some of the objections to my contention, it does depend on certain assumptions. The first is that Trump will not manage to put the brakes on immigration in any real way. And in any case, most Chinese aren’t crashing the southern border (some do), so The Wall won’t mean much, if it ever gets built.

    It could be that the mere fact that Trump exists has made some Chinese more cautious to immigrate, legally or otherwise, though I’d guess any impact has faded as Trump continues to do little.

    However, I am assuming that Trump doesn’t win in 2020, and instead we get a now totally insane Democratic Party into power, and they turn the immigration spigots full-on. This will ramp up the influx tremendously.

    The other possibility is that the Chinese government cracks down on the outflow. They’ve already cracked down on the spending spree of Chinese buying U.S. real estate and otherwise exporting money. At least for now.

    So lots of possibilities, but the reality is that the Chinese presence in NYC grows year after year, and there now large swaths of the city that are effectively Chinese neighborhoods, as in “not American neighborhoods.” Say what you will about the Chinese, but I don’t want to live in a place that looks like this.

    That’s Brooklyn.

    Are there similar majority white neighborhoods in China? It will only take a tiny percentage of the Chinese in China to make New York majority Chinese.

    • Replies: @Anon
    I totally agree. No one wants to live in the middle of a bunch of Chinese, or Indians, or Mexicans, Blacks. All these groups are rude, dirty, corrupt, selfish and unpleasant. Asians belong in Asia. Per WSJ at least 500,000 Indians are in the country illegally, that was a few years ago. Now it's probably closer to 1 million. NYT said a few years back the comparable figure for Chinese is 50,000. I think that is a gross underestimate. How the hell do most of these Chinese get in? On what visa are they staying? A while back there was an article in the Times about a Chinese immigration lawyer who got arrested for faking asylum claims for his Chinese clients in Chinatown. These people are all scammers. Where is ICE? We need a large scale sweep of NYC and NJ(where the Indians are) and boot them all out. All those Chinese kids who are taking up spots at Stuy or even elite colleges, how many are here legally?
  121. @Alden
    Which tower is that? The new Salesforce Tower is supposed to be the most valuable in the city.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/555_California_Street

    Trump’s share is 30%, I remembered the 40% wrong.

    At 2 million square feet, it is worth a billion even at a really low $500 per sq ft valuation.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Thanks.
  122. @Reg Cæsar

    There are 20-fold more Chinese in the world than Japanese.
     
    You had to say "fold", didn't you?


    https://i0.wp.com/waynesword.palomar.edu/images/epican1.jpg

    In the future, the best genetic traits of whites and Asians will be combined to produce the Arysian Übermensch:

  123. @Abe

    However, I’m very curious about the attitudes about this among the Chinese. It seems deracinated American whites don’t bat an eye about race mixing. No SWPL white feels grief that their grand-child is half Asian. But what do the Chinese feel about it?
     
    In general and the world over, women want men substantially bigger/taller than themselves. We are friends with a family that unfortunately got divorced recently- my wife chose to remain chummy with the woman (and I am fine with that, not ever really getting to know the man, or like much of what I saw when I did for that matter) and so I get frequent updates on the gay divorcée ‘s new dating life. She a blonde HB8 (7.7 to be completely accurate) and so probably has her pick of men, but according to what’s relayed to me her top priority is finding a new man at least as tall as her ~6’5” ex. So anyway, many more walking tower-of-beef Gronk’s among the European-descended population than their own.

    Also, back when we were still only engaged, I took my wife to an intra-Ivy local alumni picnic. There was a nice Chinese/Taiwanese gent there with his mom, and mom was macking all over my sweetie, talking about how one of the early Presidents of Taiwan had a Russian ballerina wife, how cute mixed Eurasian babies looked, etc. So that’s my anecdotal evidence- Asian females (maybe males, I don’t know) think mixed grandkids will look awfully cute, and I’d have to agree they usually do.

    one of the early Presidents of Taiwan had a Russian ballerina wife

    The inaugural First Lady of South Korea was an Austrian: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franziska_Donner

    Supposedly, when South Korean troops saw Australian planes attacking the North Koreans during the Korean War, they confused them with Austrians and would joke “Hey, the president’s in-laws are here to help us.”

  124. @res
    Good point. Do you know how things worked out in practice? My sense was that many of the Japanese were more or less forced to sell at a bad time due to the implosion of their own economy (and remember that there was a recession in the US around the same time), but I have no idea if that is really true. It is possible that a few high profile examples gave a misleading impression.

    Regarding Trump's assets, this looks like a good reference: https://www.forbes.com/donald-trump
    It lists 555 California Street in San Francisco as $452M of his net worth. Which is a little more than the $446M they list for 1290 Avenue of the Americas in NYC. Good memory on your part. Clicking through for more detail indicates that roughly speaking Trump owns a 30% share in each.

    My sense was that many of the Japanese were more or less forced to sell at a bad time due to the implosion of their own economy

    Yup, many of them did buy high and sell low.

  125. @res
    Good point. Do you know how things worked out in practice? My sense was that many of the Japanese were more or less forced to sell at a bad time due to the implosion of their own economy (and remember that there was a recession in the US around the same time), but I have no idea if that is really true. It is possible that a few high profile examples gave a misleading impression.

    Regarding Trump's assets, this looks like a good reference: https://www.forbes.com/donald-trump
    It lists 555 California Street in San Francisco as $452M of his net worth. Which is a little more than the $446M they list for 1290 Avenue of the Americas in NYC. Good memory on your part. Clicking through for more detail indicates that roughly speaking Trump owns a 30% share in each.

    “Do you know how things worked out in practice? ”

    No, but my very general observation is having poor timing on the buy is correlated with poor timing on the sale.

    On the other hand, Japan has mostly let its insolvent banks and big companies not make payments on loans rather than force asset sales and bankruptcies.

    So I bet there are still a ton of low-key/high value Japanese owned assets throughout the coastal USA.

  126. OT – but if there were ever an MSM article worthy of a Sailer post, it would be this.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Read this in Ira Glass's voice:
    Are preventable societal problems evincing elite incompetence or dereliction truly real -- if you devote all your time to comic book superheroes and Netflix soap operas? How many "most important graphs" would virgin loser internet racists discuss if they knew the total Marvel roster (to include revamps) by heart? And if that's so -- that the bigots spewing divisive hate could easily just zone out and chill, doesn't it just prove that the virgin loser naysayers are just whining crybabies who want to have something to complain about? What sort of person are you, citizen? Are you watching enough TV -- or are you an evil book-reading Nazi?
    , @nebulafox
    Ezra Klein, the poster boy of Millennial, aggressively corporate bien-pensantism, brought up this very topic last year. Since it is people like Klein who dominated the zeitgeist of the Obama-era Democratic Party, might be wise to listen to what they say they'd like to do.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/30/17505406/trump-obama-race-politics-immigration

    His proposal: simply lie about it. Or avoid talking about it. Knowing Klein's previous statements and the authoritarian nature of the modern MSM, my guess is they'll be proactive in going after anyone who does.

    But let's see how well that works in the age of the Internet and increasing blatant disregard for societal elite opinions that Trump's buffoonery won't be able to halt in the long haul. Especially if the various other components of the Coalition of the Fringes decide that they have no use for affluent white liberals anymore before they start fighting each other.

    , @ben tillman
    It boils down to, we must redouble our efforts to convince the white race that its genocide isn't happening.

    It's pure evil.
    , @davosbane
    The problem is ... it's not a lie. The propaganda bureau has a lot of work to do.
  127. @Twinkie

    My 5 grand-nephews range from looking mostly asian to looking like dark haired whites. Two of them just look like darker haired Bavarians to me. None of them look totally Asian because they all have brown hair, although it will probably darken with age.
     
    One of my daughters has green eyes (from my wife) and reddish/auburn hair (via me, from my mother). I’m 99.9% East Asian, but several times more likely to have lighter hair and eyes than the average East Asian genetic profile at 23andme (I have very dark brown hair, but copper beard and body hair). Apparently, that’s from Asian Neanderthal genes.

    My oldest son has the most blondish hair among the kids. He has brown ends, but blond roots. My wife and I thought that he’d grow out of it, but he’s kept it.

    My wife is 99.9% British/Irish, German, and Scandinavian. Our children are “Arctic Alliance” personified. They see themselves as whites with a touch of the exotic. Or, more accurately, they see themselves as all-American, only with spicy condiments. They don’t have much of a “race consciousness.”

    I’m curious as to what part of the country you live in.

    I live in San Francisco, and I see the second generation Asian immigrants absorbing a lot of the “woke” BS that prevails here. The newcomers are not, as you say, “conscious” and appear more interested in how to maximize their opportunities. The kids (and especially the next gen) are far more interested in the SWPL.

    One of the biggest mouths out there is Ted Lieu.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    I’m curious as to what part of the country you live in.
     
    South of the Mason-Dixon Line. And I’m not Chinese.
  128. @AaronB
    This commenter is having you on.

    I live in NY. Outside Flushing and Chinatown you see few Chinese. Williamsburg, the hippest area in town, is incredibly white, as is most of the trendy Brooklyn hoods like Park Slope, Cobble Hill, etc.

    Rare to see Asians there. Even rarer are Asian-white couples. I often remark that at the trendy bars and clubs in Brooklyn or Soho or LES, its nearly all white, with maybe a sprinkling of Asians, unlike the West Coast. I think Asians frequent the hip-hop clubs in Manhattan - I wouldn't know as I never go to these places, but I sometimes see them standing on lines.

    Chinese in NY often tend to much lower class than the West Coast also. Really a completely different element.

    Unlike the West Coast, NY is remarkably white and non-Asian.

    I think there is emerging a new syndrome among certain white people - Chinese derangement syndrome.

    I live in NY. Outside Flushing and Chinatown you see few Chinese.

    I’ve lived most of my life in New York too, and you are so wrong dude. Peterike is right. Chinese are EVERYWHERE in New York. Park Slop? Maybe not overwhelmed (yet), but just travel a few blocks south along 3, 4, 5, 6 avenues to Sunset Park. A Brooklyn chinatown. The Chinese are even squeezing the Guidos out of Bensonhurst. You’ve got to get out more (anyway, what are you doing hanging around Williamsburg? It’s a SWPL Potemkin village, if there ever was one).

    And this White male/Chinese female thing. Chinese don’t act out, but there is simmering rage over this. Though, told to me by an Asian business partner, most Asian men consider white men who mate up with Asian women to be losers. They can’t get a white girl, so they choose a lower status Asian women, notwithstanding beauty and intelligence. Asian men are honest in their assessment of social ranking. They frankly acknowledge that the USA is a white country (for the time) and only a loser white man would go for the second rate.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    And this White male/Chinese female thing. Chinese don’t act out, but there is simmering rage over this. Though, told to me by an Asian business partner, most Asian men consider white men who mate up with Asian women to be losers.
     
    Which gives them something in common with white men. And white women.
    , @Jack Hanson
    The second paragraph is massive COPE posting.
    , @AaronB
    Right, I forgot Sunset Park, the other, much lower class Asian enclave. Actually what is happening there is new apartment blocks as part of gentrification. Whites are encroaching into SP out of Park Slope.

    As for Park Slope, you could walk for hours and not see an Asian.

    The general perception in America is that white girls are the most beautiful and desirable. Few men with options go Asian. Those who do struggle with dating in general and tend to end up with less attractive Asian girls. I think this is the source of your Asian business partners observation. And many Asian men are obsessed with white girls, which is silly. But status hierarchies make people stupid. I occasionally see equal attractiveness white/Asian pairings, and I believe this is more common on the West Coast as well.

    The last time there was major population mixing between the Caucasian and East Asian phenotype was in Central Asia, where they blended rather seamlessly.

    I suspect a Central Asian style white/Asian blending will take place in America, as well as all other kinds if racial mixing. But for the moment, there is still majority segregation, and mixing happens on the tails.

    In the next few hundred years old hierarchies will crumble and new ethnic profiles will emerge, and in three hundred years there will be no Asian, white, or black in America, but new ethnic groups that are local and regional in character.

    This has happened hundreds of times in history.

    But in the meantime, the Chinese are not anywhere near dominating NYC nor will they ever be.

  129. @AaronB
    This commenter is having you on.

    I live in NY. Outside Flushing and Chinatown you see few Chinese. Williamsburg, the hippest area in town, is incredibly white, as is most of the trendy Brooklyn hoods like Park Slope, Cobble Hill, etc.

    Rare to see Asians there. Even rarer are Asian-white couples. I often remark that at the trendy bars and clubs in Brooklyn or Soho or LES, its nearly all white, with maybe a sprinkling of Asians, unlike the West Coast. I think Asians frequent the hip-hop clubs in Manhattan - I wouldn't know as I never go to these places, but I sometimes see them standing on lines.

    Chinese in NY often tend to much lower class than the West Coast also. Really a completely different element.

    Unlike the West Coast, NY is remarkably white and non-Asian.

    I think there is emerging a new syndrome among certain white people - Chinese derangement syndrome.

    There may not be many asians or asian/white couples in the hipster neighborhoods of Brooklyn. I cant see there being many asian hipsters. But there are tons of mixed couples in the professional areas of Manhattan (upper west, upper east, midtown east). Junior jobs on wall street and in law are increasingly being taken by asians as white millennials are viewed as too high maintenance. In 30 years, asians are going to be the power in nyc.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    Woman in office next to me in NYC, fairly attractive, born in NJ to a chinese dad and filipino/chinese mom. Went to Cornell. Lawyer. Attractive if not a stunner. Nice, outgoing. About 40. Had some boyfriends, usually jewish, who would dump her and marry the next girl.

    Now engaged to a jewish guy at the office. Nice guy but no looker. Getting married with a Protestant minister officiating, i think.

    It's pretty common.
  130. @Lot
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/555_California_Street

    Trump’s share is 30%, I remembered the 40% wrong.

    At 2 million square feet, it is worth a billion even at a really low $500 per sq ft valuation.

    Thanks.

  131. Pushing SJW weirdos out of journalism jobs? Bring. It. On.

  132. @istevefan

    My prediction is New York will get a Chinese mayor in the next 20 years, and then it will never again have a non-Chinese mayor.
     
    You might be quite right about the increasing Chinese presence in NYC, and the eventual election of a Chinese mayor. But as for your use of the phrase 'never again', any reader of this site should know to never use the word never.

    You might be quite right about the increasing Chinese presence in NYC, and the eventual election of a Chinese mayor. But as for your use of the phrase ‘never again’, any reader of this site should know to never use the word never.

    If the Democrats get one of their own elected President, and he/she signs “comprehensive immigration reform” there is a very good likelihood that America will never again elected a Republican President.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I was about to mash [AGREE], Daniel, but I ran out, and anyway, what difference does it make if a Red-squad President is elected if he doesn't do a damn thing to help anyway? Yeah, I've got my fingers pointed at you, Trump, ya pussy.
    , @istevefan

    If the Democrats get one of their own elected President, and he/she signs “comprehensive immigration reform” there is a very good likelihood that America will never again elected a Republican President.
     
    That certainly sounds plausible in 2019. However, I'd bet on the GOP transforming itself into something unrecognizable to us today and being competitive eventually. Of course if that does happen, then it is effectively the same as your statement about never having a Republican president again since Republican at that time will mean something totally different.

    I might add that already many of us feel this has already happened. Because the GOP of today sure doesn't seem like it used to be. When Clinton was elected in 1992, one of the first things he did was try to end the ban on gays in the military. The GOP put up a fight and it eventually became 'don't ask, don't tell'. Today's GOP has accepted the both repeal of DADT and the ending of the ban. Additionally they have not seemed too bothered over trannies-in-the-military, or women-in-the-infantry as those policies still seem to stand.

    So count on the GOP morphing even more in the future. After all the GOP is the party of conservatives. And the only thing they ever conserve is their cushy positions.
    , @Mr McKenna

    If the Democrats get one of their own elected President, and he/she signs “comprehensive immigration reform”
     
    It's a few decades too late to bolt that particular barn door.
  133. I left the USA largely because as a white woman I couldn’t find a white man to marry. Granted, I did have a network of friends that led me to Europe. I’m sure if I moved North or Mid-West I also could have found a white husband.

    When I lived in the USA Asian women were my biggest competitors in life.

    A large portion of my intellect was dedicated to figuring out how to get away from them.

    It was so bad, I remember waking up in my 20s and realizing that all of my Asian gfs had just used me to get into the pants of my white male friends (I’m Catholic, getting into men’s pants isn’t my thing.)

    That being said, it hasn’t turned out well for my Asian gfs.

    Interracial relationships just don’t work. The power balance is off.

    I say this as a Catholic who believes that men are head over their wives…

    You can grow together because you are Racial Equals and thus criticize one another in a self-correcting manner without hurt feelings. Being able to criticize someone is really important.

    Healthy white+white marriages both spouses tend to grow and flourish.

    White + Other marriages (even model-minority) someone is always an enabler…There’s a reason why the Gay Journalist who put Crystal Meth up his Ass was married to an Asian woman.

    I’ve never seen an interracial marriage where this wasn’t the dynamic, and it stops personal growth and achievement.

    • Agree: Daniel H
    • LOL: L Woods
    • Replies: @Spangel
    Is this a troll post? I never knew white women would be envious of asian women. Don’t women usually most envy other women who look similar to them but are ultimately prettier?

    Look, according to online dating stats, asian women do the best. But I don’t think it means white men actually prefer asian women. I think it just means asian women are less fat.

    Maybe you carried a few extra pounds is why dudes overlooked you for your asian chick friends?
    , @Anon
    Say what you will, in my extended family the most stable marriages are the white/asian pairings. All the white-white pairings have gone through at least one divorce, some multiple.
  134. @Anonymous
    ...and I always thought that Vancouver was the Chinese entrepot of choice.

    Several observations:

    Firstly, as long as the USA runs a huge trade deficit with China, the USA is obliged by the laws of basic basic economics to offer huge purchases of real estate to China.
    Secondly, knowing the endemic criminality of NYC, perpetrated by certain subsections if its 'ethnic minority' population, it is difficult to envision the oh so rational Chinese, with their well known penchant for order, cleanliness and good housekeeping etc seriously taking to NYC.

    …it is difficult to envision the oh so rational Chinese, with their well known penchant for order, cleanliness and good housekeeping etc seriously taking to NYC.

    Ever been to Chinatown in NYC, or DC, or SF, or…anywhere? They are always dirty and run down.

  135. @Paleo Liberal
    This also disproves the idea that once there is an Asian mayor of NYC, there will never again be a non-Asian mayor.

    The 5 main elected offices in Hawaii — Governor, 2 Senators, 2 Congressmen, and Mayor of Honolulu — have switched back and forth among the races.

    For example, of the 8 Governors, 4 have been white, 3 Asian and 1 Native Hawaiian.

    I lived in Hawaii briefly almost 40 years ago. I think at that time the Governor and both Senators were Asian, as was at least one Congressman. The Mayor of Honolulu was white.

    Weird but true — a friend of a friend, one of the most radical left-wing attorneys in Honolulu, got the Republican nomination for mayor while I was there. He was from the Midwest, which used to have left wing Republicans. I went to his birthday party around the time he announced, and a lot of people thought the story he was running as a Republican was a joke. I remember some very drunk Native Hawaiians apologizing all night for their error.

    Yes, the politicians in Hawaii come in various races and no one cares because they all seem to get the same results. So in New York 20 years from now, if it follows Hawaiis pattern, the politicians will come in various colors and shapes and have similar levels of corruption and incompetence. Dont expect public services and taxes to be like in the mid west. New York will be a sort of nice third world city, better than Manila but dont send your kids to the public schools. It wont be like Detroit with an all black city hall and a more complete collapse of civilization. Asian dominated USA is livable but definitely a lower standard than the old white USA.

    Chinese in Singapore and Japanese have some of the cleanest well organized cities. Manla, bangkok and jakarta all have sizable and powerful chinese minorities, they are chaos. A New York that is 30 percent chinese will probably end up like Bangkok, sort of.

  136. @Twinkie

    My 5 grand-nephews range from looking mostly asian to looking like dark haired whites. Two of them just look like darker haired Bavarians to me. None of them look totally Asian because they all have brown hair, although it will probably darken with age.
     
    One of my daughters has green eyes (from my wife) and reddish/auburn hair (via me, from my mother). I’m 99.9% East Asian, but several times more likely to have lighter hair and eyes than the average East Asian genetic profile at 23andme (I have very dark brown hair, but copper beard and body hair). Apparently, that’s from Asian Neanderthal genes.

    My oldest son has the most blondish hair among the kids. He has brown ends, but blond roots. My wife and I thought that he’d grow out of it, but he’s kept it.

    My wife is 99.9% British/Irish, German, and Scandinavian. Our children are “Arctic Alliance” personified. They see themselves as whites with a touch of the exotic. Or, more accurately, they see themselves as all-American, only with spicy condiments. They don’t have much of a “race consciousness.”

    I have several friends who are Chinese American. They are educated people with professional or advanced degrees. Some are married to whites and some not, but pretty much uniformly if they were raised in America then the main culture that they identify with is American. Mostly they can’t even speak Chinese. They are pretty much indistinguishable in their interests from any other well educated white with their socioeconomic background (mostly their parents were professional people too). I would call them bananas – yellow on the outside, white on the inside. And their kids are even more American if such a thing is possible.

    In the case of mixed race people it really doesn’t take long to lose all vestige of connection to the original culture and sometimes even appearance. We have new neighbors. The wife is 1/2 Indian but born and raised in Wisconsin (I think that 40 or 50 years ago there was a smaller South Asian community in America so it was MORE common for Indian men to intermarry). She looks and sounds white (this is surely bolstered by the fact that her clothes, hairstyle, makeup, etc. are all that of a white person), her husband is white and their kids are just ordinary American kids with an exotic grandpa. Recently she described to me the experience of having to go to India with her dad to scatter her grandma’s ashes in the Ganges. She described India as being completely horrifying to her, as horrifying as it would be to any good Midwestern girl. You could tell that she was looking at it with American eyes and viewed it as a completely alien place.

    Maybe Mexicans hang onto their culture longer and blacks have no choice but to be seen as black, but I think folks here underestimate how quickly high functioning Asians disappear into elite American society.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    blacks have no choice but to be seen as black

    Kamala Harris is a rare exception. Because she is a mixture of black and other nonwhite (Indian) ancestry, the One Drop Rule doesn't apply and she could have identified as mixed. This is especially so because at least to me she looks quite Indian, much more so than black. But of course she's always identified as 100% black.
    , @nebulafox
    Briefly coming out of comment retirement...

    This is more or less the same dynamic I've observed with the myriad hapas I knew growing up and in college. Even the Indians-who tend to be far more racially exclusive than Chinese or other East Asians-have "coconut" kids within a generation. America's old assimilation pull isn't fully dead yet, not for lack of progressive trying: or perhaps more tellingly, because upper-middle class liberals do not take the medicine they prescribe to the proles.

    Since I'm pretty much the walking profile of the socially maladjusted white geek who tends to end up with Asian women for reasons ranging from proximity to better cultural fit to hypergamy, I'm looking at the future, I guess. Asians really are the 21st Century Jews. Not a complete mapping, but if you look at the Bronx School of Science these days...

    >Maybe Mexicans hang onto their culture longer and blacks have no choice but to be seen as black, but I think folks here underestimate how quickly high functioning Asians disappear into elite American society.

    Nah, I think with different parameters-selecting for higher skilled immigrants, America of the WWII or Cold War era rather than America today-they'd melt in reasonably quickly-maybe not as quickly as high-functioning Asians, but quickly enough. Mexicans actually strike me as being roughly analogous to Malays, not just in terms of the laid-back culture and the kickass food. Unlike blacks, as long as the numbers are modest and the societal guidelines are firm, they can be reasonably functional in a country dominated by whites or Chinese, respectively. They won't be winning Nobel Prizes, but they'll have stable family units, jobs, and the occasional batch of future bourgeois kids. But if they end up dominating the country, however, things quickly go to hell.

    The big difference is, of course, the religious factor, especially after 1979 and the resulting wave of religious conservatism in Southeast Asia. Islam flat-out prohibits Malay women from marrying non-Muslim men, making full-on assimilation and racial mixing impossible, which is why you see messes like Malaysia's current racial politics. If a Malay woman (usually a relatively secular and upwardly mobile one who grew up seeing daily how Malay men treat their wives and wants no part of that) wants to marry a non-Muslim man, she's going to have to leave the country to do so, at the very best. Hispanics have no such prohibitions. White male/Hispanic female marriage is quite common these days in places like rural Texas, and the kids more or less fully identify as white with exotic maternal grandparents. Of course, that's an optimal scenario. Go to California, and while you still see intermarriage, it usually goes the other way around: the white husband assimilates to Hispanic culture, and the kids grow up thinking of themselves as "Hispanic", however white they might look.

    (On the other hand, Islam's draconian social code arguably prevents Malays and Indonesians from obeying their worst impulses, a la the Filipinos, so it is a mixed bag. Indonesia's not China, or even Thailand, but neither is it the Philippines or Bangladesh-and without bumi laws, Indonesians, along with Singaporean Malays, are a lot more diligent and hard-working than their Malaysian Malay counterparts.)

    , @Dtbb
    Or you could call them twinkies.
    , @uman
    lol she sounds like a real "elite"
    , @res

    I would call them bananas – yellow on the outside, white on the inside.
     
    You are aware of what Twinkie's username means, right?
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Sorry for all the moderation work, Steve, but lots of the comments are damn interesting. Jack D, all that you say is true, but ONLY FOR SMALL NUMBERS. That Chinatown in Queens contains maybe hundred thousand Chinese people. Except for seeing lots more American-made vehicles, one could picture himself IN china while in this nieghborhood. Lots of the people there will hang out with and marry each other, unless they are big-shot Manhattan lawyers and such, but most of them are not.

    I think all the school kids will learn English because they have to and it helps with finding a job... elsewhere. Within these concessions areas of Chinese people all over America, no one will need to assimilate anymore.

    Assimilation only works with small numbers, in which case it is exactly as you stated.
    , @ben tillman

    Maybe Mexicans hang onto their culture longer and blacks have no choice but to be seen as black, but I think folks here underestimate how quickly high functioning Asians disappear into elite American society.
     
    How many times has Steve said that assimilation is impossible when the immigration spigot is not turned off? I don't know, but it's a lot, and every time he said it he was right.
    , @Twinkie
    I should point out, though, the Chinese have the lowest assimilation indices among the major Asian immigrant groups in the U.S. except the Indians (who cluster with non-Cuban Hispanics):
    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6Mk9Tp71MJA/Td0Ir375qYI/AAAAAAAABmc/ATJ1miZxbHg/s1600/assimilation_by_birthplace.JPG
    , @PV van der Byl
    Your Midwestern girl's ancestry sounds similar to that of 30s and 40s movie star Merle Oberon (i.e. O'Brien) who had South Asian and Maori ancestry as well as British/Irish. I wonder if your friend looks a bit like a young Merle Oberon:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merle_Oberon
  137. @peterike

    But, then again, if this new Queens apartment building isn’t out of reach of section 8, it’ll be a dumpster fire within a couple years anyway.

     

    They aren't section 8, but they do all have a percentage of "affordable" apartments (gets them major tax breaks). I can speak directly to this, at least in my building.

    I didn't even know when I moved in that it had 20% "affordable" apartments. I guess they can't tell you that because racism, but I also didn't ask. Well, I was curious about a percentage of seemingly pretty shiftless blacks who seemed to be around at all times (I work at home, so I noticed). They aren't hard-cord ghetto types, and some are obviously affluent (mostly some very clearly gay blacks), but still. Some people just didn't seem to fit the profile, economically, and then I learned about the 20%. Now, that doesn't make the apartments free or anything close, but they are rented below market value.

    In any case, it's not enough to ruin the place, but it causes certain... inconveniences. A story.

    On my floor, I suddenly started to notice a strong pot smoke smell. Fortunately, it was coming from the other end of the hall, but it was still bad. It was easy enough to, umm, smoke out the source apartment. And I mean STRONG pot smell. Like the hallway reeked of it. I can't imagine what being in the next apartment would be like. And yes, racist that I am, I had noticed the source apartment was inhabited by a young black guy.

    Well, after some days of this, the smell was reduced. I walked by his door, and there was one of those things you stick under the door to keep out drafts. My guess is the building gave it to him and insisted he use it to keep the stink in his apartment (the management company here is excellent). But that's what you get.

    And then there was the fat black lady in the gym who was sitting at one of the weight machines having a 30 minute conversation with the young black guy sitting at another weight machine. Neither working out, of course, but they felt it was perfectly within bounds to just monopolize two machines to have their conversation (which, among other things, was talking about how Trump was such a racist).

    So the lower income presence won't ruin the place, but it definitely comes with its share of small indignities you have to live with.

    PS - My building is owned, as are many others around here, by a family of Persian Jews.

    If it was me, I would move out ASAP. One is too many.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    How many times can you move, practically speaking? You may move to an all-white area (one of the few remaining) and within a year AFFH or whatever will move negroes onto your block. Remember, they're moving Chicago negroes to Iowa.
  138. @haole
    The down fall of asian communities in the western world is the same as in Asia, corruption. I am basing this on Hawaii which is the most Asian enclave in a western country. We may have high IQ asians but none of our government services work worth a damn. The brown Asians: phillipinos, samoans etc are not better off under Asian rule, they did just as well under the Missionaries. (I cant support that statement but would love too.) Asian democracy suffers because Asians have poor impulse control, the impulse to be corrupt is the same impulse that makes them gamble and be bad drivers. The good side of the impulse /gamble compulsion is they want to start small businesses. I think high IQ low impulse control could be a good thing, or a thing, a pattern. Low IQ / low impulse control is a disaster.

    dont expect Asians to become republicans. Half the Asians, the male half, see themselves as losers to whites, they may have good jobs and money but the high SMV girls go to the more masculine men of other races. That is why they vote like blacks as far as I can see. If Asians become republicans expect the Republican politicians to favor open borders with Asia.

    If Asians become republicans expect the Republican politicians to favor open borders with Asia.

    Trump has mentioned at least 4 times in the last 2 months that he wants to vastly increase immigration from Asia, mostly from India, since they take up 85% of the H1b visa. GOP just loves those Indian scammers, even if 90% of them vote (D). Ann Coulter was right, the Republican party really is the stupid party.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    They're the smart party. They are getting millions of dollars from lobbyists while screwing over their white working class base. No matter what happens, they always come back for more. Seems like a pretty good business model to me.
  139. @haole
    The down fall of asian communities in the western world is the same as in Asia, corruption. I am basing this on Hawaii which is the most Asian enclave in a western country. We may have high IQ asians but none of our government services work worth a damn. The brown Asians: phillipinos, samoans etc are not better off under Asian rule, they did just as well under the Missionaries. (I cant support that statement but would love too.) Asian democracy suffers because Asians have poor impulse control, the impulse to be corrupt is the same impulse that makes them gamble and be bad drivers. The good side of the impulse /gamble compulsion is they want to start small businesses. I think high IQ low impulse control could be a good thing, or a thing, a pattern. Low IQ / low impulse control is a disaster.

    dont expect Asians to become republicans. Half the Asians, the male half, see themselves as losers to whites, they may have good jobs and money but the high SMV girls go to the more masculine men of other races. That is why they vote like blacks as far as I can see. If Asians become republicans expect the Republican politicians to favor open borders with Asia.

    Mazie Hirono (D) from HI is one of the dumbest bimbos in congress. Ted Lieu from CA is not much better. Indian politicians are just as bad –Pramila Jayapal, Kamala Harris, Nikki Haley, Kshama Sawant(Seattle city council member, a total socialist nutjob), all are dumb as door knobs. Maybe only the dumb Asians run for office. The smart ones are more interested in making money.

  140. My prediction is New York will get a Chinese mayor in the next 20 years

    Not likely. Unlike the Jews, the Chinese aren’t a power hungry bunch. The only American politicians of East Asian descent that I can remember are former governor of WA state Gary Locke, house reps Ted Lieu of CA and Mazie Hirono, Senator from HI. All of 3, out of a population of 5 million. Meanwhile, there are so many Indian local and state politicians I lost count.

    Indians are the new Jews, not the Chinese. They are loquacious and shameless like the Jews, and favor the professions of law, media, academia, banking, tech and civil service like their Jew masters. East Asians are more like the Germans, quiet, STEM oriented, hard working, understated and conformist, they do not like to stand out. The only difference is, they lack the honesty of Germans.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  141. @Ibound1
    Every Asian woman I know is married to a white guy. I don’t know what the hell their men do. The offspring will be for all purposes, White - because the women want it that way and I’ve seen it. Except those offspring can claim diversity points. That’s a good thing. The more high IQ, middle and upper class people claiming diversity points, the better. If we have to reserve spots, may as well reserve them for people who are competent and would get in anyway.

    Here in the west coast, I’m seeing more and more Asian guy – white girl couples, and half-white Asian guys always have white girlfriends.

    • Replies: @Canadian Observer
    The quintessential being that Good Looking Loser guy. He was a monster. Seemed to channel the right energies from his Asian side and white side.
  142. Wakanda’s future founder? Or perhaps a future founder of the Wakanda Chess Federation?

    https://www.voanews.com/a/homeless-nigerian-child-refugee-wins-new-york-chess-championship/4837223.html

  143. @Paleo Liberal
    This also disproves the idea that once there is an Asian mayor of NYC, there will never again be a non-Asian mayor.

    The 5 main elected offices in Hawaii — Governor, 2 Senators, 2 Congressmen, and Mayor of Honolulu — have switched back and forth among the races.

    For example, of the 8 Governors, 4 have been white, 3 Asian and 1 Native Hawaiian.

    I lived in Hawaii briefly almost 40 years ago. I think at that time the Governor and both Senators were Asian, as was at least one Congressman. The Mayor of Honolulu was white.

    Weird but true — a friend of a friend, one of the most radical left-wing attorneys in Honolulu, got the Republican nomination for mayor while I was there. He was from the Midwest, which used to have left wing Republicans. I went to his birthday party around the time he announced, and a lot of people thought the story he was running as a Republican was a joke. I remember some very drunk Native Hawaiians apologizing all night for their error.

    He was from the Midwest, which used to have left wing Republicans.

    No place in American ever had much in the way of ‘left-wing’ Republicans. You’ve had liberal Republicans, but there haven’t been any in Congress in a dozen years and you’d be hard put to find one who was first elected to Congress after 1986 or thereabouts. They didn’t have the machine or union affiliations of northern Democrats and commonly had somewhat tony backgrounds. They weren’t particularly common in the Rustbelt or Plains, though you had some. More New England, the New York – Washington corridor, and the Bay Area – Seattle corridor.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    They didn’t have the machine or union affiliations of northern Democrats and commonly had somewhat tony backgrounds.
     
    There was a guy who called himself and his fellows "liberal" in my GOP caucus 30 years ago. He had a very negative view of the unions, though. He'd get one of their endorsement cards just to see whom to vote against. City and county offices were non-partisan, so you couldn't vote "straight ticket".

    No place in American ever had much in the way of ‘left-wing’ Republicans.
     
    Nelson Rockefeller and Lowell Weicker are just about the only Republicans I'd place to the left of Hitler. Maybe the Chafees, but they're Democrats now. As are the Rockefellers.
    , @Paleo Liberal
    No, that is not the case.

    There were quite a number of states that were one-party states — with a left and right wing— in the old days. Recall there was a time when the Democratic Party in the South ranged from radical leftists to hard core right wingers.

    In some parts of the Midwest, the same was true of the GOP.

    For example, in Wisconsin before the 1950s, the Democratic Party essentially did not exist, and was at different times the third or fourth largest party in the state, after the Republicans and Socialists and sometimes the Progressive Party, which was really the left wing of the GOP.

    The La Follette family, Bob Sr and Jr, were rather far left, and in the GOP most of the time.

    The left wing of the Republican Party took a big blow when Joe McCarthy beat Bob Jr. in the GOP Senate primary. Bob Jr. actually killed himself afterwards.

    During the 1950s, the anti-McCarthy Progressive wing of the GOP abandoned ship and started the modern Wisconsin Democratic Party. In fact, my state senator was elected as a Democrat during that time, and is still in office. Seriously. The guy is well into his 90s and is the longest serving state legislator in US history. Fred Risser.

    Just as there are still a few conservatives left in the Democratic Party, it isn’t too surprising that a leftist Baby Boom era Midwest Republican would keep his party affiliation after moving to a place where the GOP essentially did not exist. As another poster mentioned, it is easier to get the nomination of a party that is pretty much there in name only.

    Turn of events— these days the GOP is dead in Madison, Wisconsin. Not one Republican was on the ballot for any local races in 2018. Not even for Congressman.
    , @Lot
    “you’d be hard put to find one who was first elected to Congress after 1986 or thereabouts”

    Correct. The last true left of center House Republican was Connie Morella, elected in 1986. Chris Shays was an arguable liberal and won a special election in 1987.

    There were a few one-termers after them, like the guy who lucked into the black majority New Orleans district when the Democrat was discovered with almost $100,000 in cash in his freezer.
  144. @Paleo Liberal
    This also disproves the idea that once there is an Asian mayor of NYC, there will never again be a non-Asian mayor.

    The 5 main elected offices in Hawaii — Governor, 2 Senators, 2 Congressmen, and Mayor of Honolulu — have switched back and forth among the races.

    For example, of the 8 Governors, 4 have been white, 3 Asian and 1 Native Hawaiian.

    I lived in Hawaii briefly almost 40 years ago. I think at that time the Governor and both Senators were Asian, as was at least one Congressman. The Mayor of Honolulu was white.

    Weird but true — a friend of a friend, one of the most radical left-wing attorneys in Honolulu, got the Republican nomination for mayor while I was there. He was from the Midwest, which used to have left wing Republicans. I went to his birthday party around the time he announced, and a lot of people thought the story he was running as a Republican was a joke. I remember some very drunk Native Hawaiians apologizing all night for their error.

    Hawaii (like NYC) is one of those places where the Republican party doesn’t really exist and so the people who run as “Republicans” (like Bloomberg, or Trump for that matter) aren’t really Republicans, they are not even RINOS – they just think that they can’t get the Democrat nomination for some reason and so run on the Republican line as a flag of convenience.

    • Agree: Paleo Liberal
  145. Anonymous[329] • Disclaimer says:

    Good. Better to have the Chinese running NYC than “White” people who mistakenly think are on our side.

  146. If the Bronx were all Chinese instead of all black it’d be a vast improvement over its present state. When you walk into a Chinese/Japanese/Korean dominated neighborhood, you get a good meal, when you walk into a black/brown dominated neighborhood, you get shot at.

  147. @neutral
    Not buying this one bit, here is why.
    1) The worlds most important graph and Chinese fertility collapse means that Chinese demographics will struggle to even keep China Chinese.
    2) The (((people))) that truly run New York do so by other means and not by voting numbers.
    3) If all those Chinese are mixing with white men, you don't have Chinese offspring (nor white offspring).

    1) The worlds most important graph and Chinese fertility collapse means that Chinese demographics will struggle to even keep China Chinese.

    The demographic contraction China is going through might portend that except the sheer size of China’s population (And extra-China Asian ethnic diaspora) is more than enough to keep furnishing a very large number of emigrants if they’re allowed.

  148. Anonymous[329] • Disclaimer says:
    @haole
    The down fall of asian communities in the western world is the same as in Asia, corruption. I am basing this on Hawaii which is the most Asian enclave in a western country. We may have high IQ asians but none of our government services work worth a damn. The brown Asians: phillipinos, samoans etc are not better off under Asian rule, they did just as well under the Missionaries. (I cant support that statement but would love too.) Asian democracy suffers because Asians have poor impulse control, the impulse to be corrupt is the same impulse that makes them gamble and be bad drivers. The good side of the impulse /gamble compulsion is they want to start small businesses. I think high IQ low impulse control could be a good thing, or a thing, a pattern. Low IQ / low impulse control is a disaster.

    dont expect Asians to become republicans. Half the Asians, the male half, see themselves as losers to whites, they may have good jobs and money but the high SMV girls go to the more masculine men of other races. That is why they vote like blacks as far as I can see. If Asians become republicans expect the Republican politicians to favor open borders with Asia.

    The brown Asians: phillipinos, samoans etc are not better off under Asian rule, they did just as well under the Missionaries

    Several Filipinos have told me the Philippines were much better off under American control. Such is the nature of White “exploitation”.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    How old were these Filipinos? American control of the Philippines lasted from the early 20th century until the mid 30s. The Philippine–American War was very rough on the civilians. There were lots of civilian deaths during the war and some pretty bad atrocities. And the Philippines were extremely poor during that time.
  149. I’m not sure to what end this Asian influx benefits America. We are increasingly having an economy of immigrants serving other immigrants, with native born being left out in the cold. First the Asians came in to work in IT firms or start dry cleaners or restaurants, then they bring in more workers from their home countries to work for them instead of giving the jobs to Americans, and more Mexicans have to be brought in to build their homes, clean their houses, grow their food; more Vietnamese came in to mow their lawns etc. And forget babysitting, they bring in the grandparents to do the job.

    At first whites benefited by working as real estate agents, mortgage brokers, developers, immigration lawyers, but then Asians started taking over all these businesses as well, to cater to more immigrants from their home countries, as they have the language advantage. And they are now even taking over the developer business.

    So what does America really get out of all this immigration? Nothing except lost neighborhoods, towns, cities, more congested streets and freeways, more trees being cut down to make room for more homes to house these immigrants, more competition for jobs, elite colleges. 30 years ago L.A. was 80 suburbs in search of a city, now L.A. is 80 ethnoburbs in search of a country. Many whites now feel like a foreigner in our own country. Everywhere you go in the west coast you hear all languages spoken all around you except English. Voting ballots all come in 50 different languages. Even store signs are now in foreign languages. Whose fucking country are we even living in anymore?

    It’s time to shut down all immigration. All of these foreign speaking people need to be sent back to where they came from. Immigration is no longer a good deal for Americans. It’s now an invasion, pure and simple.

  150. @Jack D

    inconsiderate and impolite and untrusting Asiamerican worker drones,
     
    All over the cities of Asia, millions of people live cheek by jowl in high rise apartment buildings that look a lot like the housing projects that were built in American cities after WWII. High rise towers in cities make a lot of sense in terms of land use, energy use, environmental impact, etc. In fact a lot more sense than covering the countryside for 40 miles around with 1/4 acre lots and having everyone drive their giant SUV to work downtown.

    Except that the ones in America were filled mostly with blacks who made these buildings into unlivable hellholes so that they ultimately had to be dynamited despite being in perfect structural condition.

    Who cares what the Asians do?

  151. @Paleo Liberal
    This also disproves the idea that once there is an Asian mayor of NYC, there will never again be a non-Asian mayor.

    The 5 main elected offices in Hawaii — Governor, 2 Senators, 2 Congressmen, and Mayor of Honolulu — have switched back and forth among the races.

    For example, of the 8 Governors, 4 have been white, 3 Asian and 1 Native Hawaiian.

    I lived in Hawaii briefly almost 40 years ago. I think at that time the Governor and both Senators were Asian, as was at least one Congressman. The Mayor of Honolulu was white.

    Weird but true — a friend of a friend, one of the most radical left-wing attorneys in Honolulu, got the Republican nomination for mayor while I was there. He was from the Midwest, which used to have left wing Republicans. I went to his birthday party around the time he announced, and a lot of people thought the story he was running as a Republican was a joke. I remember some very drunk Native Hawaiians apologizing all night for their error.

    I lived in Hawaii briefly almost 40 years ago. I think at that time the Governor and both Senators were Asian, as was at least one Congressman.

    I lived in Hawaii over 50 years ago. There were no Asians at all there at the time.

    Over a third of the population was Japanese, another tenth or sixth or so Chinese, and some Koreans, Philippines, and others. But nobody was “Asian”.

    As for me, I was haole.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    When I was there, the Asian American identity stuff was starting, although I heard the word "oriental" more than Asian.

    And yes, the Pake (Chinese), Japanese and Filipinos were all very different ethnic groups.

    Even those had sub divisions. In some pineapple plantations, Tagalog and Ilikano speakers would work in different groups.

    A young lady I dated was half-Chinese and half-Japanese, which had been considered a mixed marriage when she was born in the Territory of Hawaii.

    And yes, most whites were referred to as haole although the Portagee (Portuguese) were considered a slightly different ethnic group.
  152. @DPG
    The white guy-Asian girl combo is definitely common in NYC. Landing a white guy is a step up socially for most girls from immigrant families, so the parents don’t seem to crack down on it like Indian families. I’ve known multiple Indian girls who kept their white boyfriends a secret from their family. Not the case with my Chinese acquaintances, although I’m sure it can happen.

    Jewish guys and Asian girls are especially common. Jewish guys are at a masculinity disadvantage versus gentiles, but when competing against Asian guys for Asian girls they actually have a masculinity advantage and they’re wittier than Asian guys while still having equal if not better career prospects. Both sides feel like they’re dating up. Jewish girls must really be feeling the squeeze. As a Jewish girl I dated put it, “when you’re trying to meet a hot guy at a bar, you’re competing against blondes. When you’re husband hunting, you’re competing against Asians.”

    I disagree that the politics will flip Asian permanently. We could see a Chinese mayor, sure, but not in perpetuity. The mixed white-Asian kids I know tend to be fully assimilated and more culturally white than Asian. That said, I’m not as familiar with the outer boroughs neighborhoods like Flushing. Perhaps they’re more entrenched.

    As a Jewish girl I dated put it, “when you’re trying to meet a hot guy at a bar, you’re competing against blondes. When you’re husband hunting, you’re competing against Asians.”

    Of course her real competition is the girls not getting pounded by hot guys at bars.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    Of course her real competition is the girls not getting pounded by hot guys at bars.
     
    Exactly. It's amazing that many girls can't seem to grasp the obvious--maybe too much Hollyweird media?

    I think more and more young guys have figured it out--don't marry sluts. And the sluts have some sort of job and can never find a guy like the sexyist guy that ever picked them up to marry. So ... marriage rates are cratering.
  153. @Art Deco
    He was from the Midwest, which used to have left wing Republicans.

    No place in American ever had much in the way of 'left-wing' Republicans. You've had liberal Republicans, but there haven't been any in Congress in a dozen years and you'd be hard put to find one who was first elected to Congress after 1986 or thereabouts. They didn't have the machine or union affiliations of northern Democrats and commonly had somewhat tony backgrounds. They weren't particularly common in the Rustbelt or Plains, though you had some. More New England, the New York - Washington corridor, and the Bay Area - Seattle corridor.

    They didn’t have the machine or union affiliations of northern Democrats and commonly had somewhat tony backgrounds.

    There was a guy who called himself and his fellows “liberal” in my GOP caucus 30 years ago. He had a very negative view of the unions, though. He’d get one of their endorsement cards just to see whom to vote against. City and county offices were non-partisan, so you couldn’t vote “straight ticket”.

    No place in American ever had much in the way of ‘left-wing’ Republicans.

    Nelson Rockefeller and Lowell Weicker are just about the only Republicans I’d place to the left of Hitler. Maybe the Chafees, but they’re Democrats now. As are the Rockefellers.

    • Replies: @Bubba

    Nelson Rockefeller and Lowell Weicker are just about the only Republicans I’d place to the left of Hitler.
     
    Please don't forget the execrable John Vliet Lindsay, so-called "Maverick" liberal Republican Congressman and then contemptible Mayor of NYC who eventually turned Democrat. His name is synonymous with "white flight" during his atrocious tenure as NYC mayor.

    Plus that filthy creep gave Florence Henderson (aka Mrs. Brady) a terrible case of crabs after a one-night stand.

  154. A Chinese Mayor of New York will go well with our Chinese President.

  155. @Art Deco
    He was from the Midwest, which used to have left wing Republicans.

    No place in American ever had much in the way of 'left-wing' Republicans. You've had liberal Republicans, but there haven't been any in Congress in a dozen years and you'd be hard put to find one who was first elected to Congress after 1986 or thereabouts. They didn't have the machine or union affiliations of northern Democrats and commonly had somewhat tony backgrounds. They weren't particularly common in the Rustbelt or Plains, though you had some. More New England, the New York - Washington corridor, and the Bay Area - Seattle corridor.

    No, that is not the case.

    There were quite a number of states that were one-party states — with a left and right wing— in the old days. Recall there was a time when the Democratic Party in the South ranged from radical leftists to hard core right wingers.

    In some parts of the Midwest, the same was true of the GOP.

    For example, in Wisconsin before the 1950s, the Democratic Party essentially did not exist, and was at different times the third or fourth largest party in the state, after the Republicans and Socialists and sometimes the Progressive Party, which was really the left wing of the GOP.

    The La Follette family, Bob Sr and Jr, were rather far left, and in the GOP most of the time.

    The left wing of the Republican Party took a big blow when Joe McCarthy beat Bob Jr. in the GOP Senate primary. Bob Jr. actually killed himself afterwards.

    During the 1950s, the anti-McCarthy Progressive wing of the GOP abandoned ship and started the modern Wisconsin Democratic Party. In fact, my state senator was elected as a Democrat during that time, and is still in office. Seriously. The guy is well into his 90s and is the longest serving state legislator in US history. Fred Risser.

    Just as there are still a few conservatives left in the Democratic Party, it isn’t too surprising that a leftist Baby Boom era Midwest Republican would keep his party affiliation after moving to a place where the GOP essentially did not exist. As another poster mentioned, it is easier to get the nomination of a party that is pretty much there in name only.

    Turn of events— these days the GOP is dead in Madison, Wisconsin. Not one Republican was on the ballot for any local races in 2018. Not even for Congressman.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Turn of events— these days the GOP is dead in Madison, Wisconsin. Not one Republican was on the ballot for any local races in 2018. Not even for Congressman.
     
    You'd think this would be a golden opportunity for some third party to be the second party locally.

    Most states usually use the governor's race results to qualify third parties and keep them on the ballot. Too bad, because locally-based parties in cities, panhandles, and the like could be of good use.

    A moderate black party would be the ideal strategy for a number of cities, if you could first pry the blacks out of the Democrats, and get the party on the ballot.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    The left wing of the Republican Party took a big blow when Joe McCarthy beat Bob Jr.
     
    McCarthy himself was endorsed by unions. He was hardly conservative, just anti-Communist. As was LaFollette, albeit in an isolationist way.

    Bob Jr. actually killed himself afterwards.
     
    As did Senator Lester Hunt of Wyoming. His life and career were complicated by the failure of his son Buddy to pass, shall we say, the Turing test. McCarthy threatened to expose an unnamed senator the day before, but Karl Mundt of South Dakota insisted it wasn't Hunt.
    , @nebulafox
    And until the 1990s, Deep South state and local politics was still dominated by conservative Democrats, despite the massive economic and demographic changes starting in the 1970s. Things went almost overnight from characters like Charlie "Good Time" Wilson happily womanizing and doing blow in between funneling aid to the mujahideen to these weird-ass constipated monks.
    , @duncsbaby
    This post got me thinking about Bob Lafollette Jr. who committed suicide. I don't think he committed suicide as a result of his loss to Joe McCarthy though. He killed himself in 1953, 7 years after his loss to Joe in 1946. It was more likely because of his lifelong depression and/or the fact that Bob felt they were getting close to finding out one his aides, John Abt, was a Communist Party member.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_M._La_Follette_Jr.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Abt

    John Abt was a scoundrel of the first order who only admitted his CPUSA membership in 1984 when he was 81 years old. Real commies knew who he was though. Lee Harvey Oswald asked for Abt to be his defense lawyer.
  156. @istevefan
    OT - but if there were ever an MSM article worthy of a Sailer post, it would be this.

    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1107895487770836992

    Read this in Ira Glass’s voice:
    Are preventable societal problems evincing elite incompetence or dereliction truly real — if you devote all your time to comic book superheroes and Netflix soap operas? How many “most important graphs” would virgin loser internet racists discuss if they knew the total Marvel roster (to include revamps) by heart? And if that’s so — that the bigots spewing divisive hate could easily just zone out and chill, doesn’t it just prove that the virgin loser naysayers are just whining crybabies who want to have something to complain about? What sort of person are you, citizen? Are you watching enough TV — or are you an evil book-reading Nazi?

  157. @Hypnotoad666
    A sizable bloc of Chinese voters is almost always a good thing for White people in the same jurisdiction. They are for law and order, meritocracy, and good schools. Plus they are immune to super-annoying white guilt complex.

    They also don't seem to have the same hyper-developed political drive as Jews in terms of controlling institutions.

    So I'd say the Yellow Peril is pretty low on the list of existential threats to traditional America.

    It’s all orderly queues and quiet libraries until their kids grow up with the Han equivalent of Westoxification and they embrace destructive leftism as an identity.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Orderly lines?? Maybe that get that from American culture and are decent enough to fit in, but a Chinaman standing in line gets no steamed bread" - Alfred E. Confucius.
  158. anon[398] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    All over the cities of Asia, millions of people live cheek by jowl in high rise apartment buildings that look a lot like the housing projects that were built in American cities after WWII. High rise towers in cities make a lot of sense in terms of land use, energy use, environmental impact, etc. In fact a lot more sense than covering the countryside for 40 miles around with 1/4 acre lots and having everyone drive their giant SUV to work downtown.
     
    Who cares?

    My birthright as an American was supposed to not have to live like an Asian.

    The low population density was a feature. A great feature! And absent all the--logically\mathematically insane and suicidal--"nation of immigrants!" bullshit, that's what we'd still have.

    But becoming part of the Global Widget Factory is desirable, necessary, and inevitable. Interchangeable widgets for serf labor, sex trafficking and voting blocks is simply the way of the world. Those crazy ideas of the sanctity of the individual and his autonomy are being tossed on the scrapheap of history where they belong.

  159. Anon[186] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Teresa May just got told by the Speaker of Parliament that she can’t keep trying to hold votes on the same measure that keeps failing.

    Now the British are getting a taste of what Americans felt in 1776, namely what it’s like trying to leave a political entity that keeps refusing to let you go.

  160. @Twinkie
    Wrong on all counts. https://www.transparency.org/cpi2018

    I find it fascinating that there are no data for Macau. What are they hiding?

    Same is true for French Guiana and Western Sahara. The former is formally part of France, which would make it tied with Uruguay for the openest place on the continent.

    As for North America, St Pierre and Miquelon are missing, as is Puerto Rico. The five microstates of Europe aren’t represented, either.

  161. @Paleo Liberal
    No, that is not the case.

    There were quite a number of states that were one-party states — with a left and right wing— in the old days. Recall there was a time when the Democratic Party in the South ranged from radical leftists to hard core right wingers.

    In some parts of the Midwest, the same was true of the GOP.

    For example, in Wisconsin before the 1950s, the Democratic Party essentially did not exist, and was at different times the third or fourth largest party in the state, after the Republicans and Socialists and sometimes the Progressive Party, which was really the left wing of the GOP.

    The La Follette family, Bob Sr and Jr, were rather far left, and in the GOP most of the time.

    The left wing of the Republican Party took a big blow when Joe McCarthy beat Bob Jr. in the GOP Senate primary. Bob Jr. actually killed himself afterwards.

    During the 1950s, the anti-McCarthy Progressive wing of the GOP abandoned ship and started the modern Wisconsin Democratic Party. In fact, my state senator was elected as a Democrat during that time, and is still in office. Seriously. The guy is well into his 90s and is the longest serving state legislator in US history. Fred Risser.

    Just as there are still a few conservatives left in the Democratic Party, it isn’t too surprising that a leftist Baby Boom era Midwest Republican would keep his party affiliation after moving to a place where the GOP essentially did not exist. As another poster mentioned, it is easier to get the nomination of a party that is pretty much there in name only.

    Turn of events— these days the GOP is dead in Madison, Wisconsin. Not one Republican was on the ballot for any local races in 2018. Not even for Congressman.

    Turn of events— these days the GOP is dead in Madison, Wisconsin. Not one Republican was on the ballot for any local races in 2018. Not even for Congressman.

    You’d think this would be a golden opportunity for some third party to be the second party locally.

    Most states usually use the governor’s race results to qualify third parties and keep them on the ballot. Too bad, because locally-based parties in cities, panhandles, and the like could be of good use.

    A moderate black party would be the ideal strategy for a number of cities, if you could first pry the blacks out of the Democrats, and get the party on the ballot.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    At one point a third party did, in fact, take over the Madison government. Madison is in Dane County, and there is a local third party called Progressive Dane


    https://prodane.org/

    There was one election, 2007, where PD members won the mayor's office and the majority of the Common Council (what they call city councils in Wisconsin). The elections are supposedly non-partisan, but the Democrats had endorsed the former Red Mayor of Madison, Paul Soglin, who was trying to make his second comeback. PD endorsed "Mayor Dave" whose Eastern European last name is almost impossible to spell or pronounce. Sounds a little like Cheesewhiz. Soglin had moved more to the center in his old age.

    Ever wonder what would happen if a dog chasing a car actually caught the car?

    Well, PD really had no idea what to do when they took over the city.

    Mayor Dave pretty much broke with PD after he took office. He realized they were purists, and he wanted to get things done. After 4 years, Soglin returned. He has served 2 4-year terms since then, and is running for another. Realize he has been in and out of office for over 40 years.

    The Common Council named an Alderman as their leader who was a UW student. It is not uncommon for the district which encompasses the University of Wisconsin to elect a student as alder, but rare for the alder to take over the Council.

    The head of the Common Council decided to make "immingrants' rights" (meaning illegal aliens) his focus. He stayed until he got into grad school, I think at Berkeley, and left office in the middle of his term to head west.

    In the next election, the Democrats pretty much took over. One of my neighbors, whose kids used to be close friends with my kids, was the leader of the ultra-right wing branch of the Common Council in those days. In 2008 he was the Dane County Chair for the Obama campaign right off the bat. That's right. In Madison, Hillary Clinton was considered way too far right wing for even the most right wing politician in the city.

  162. The developer of this tower is Chris Jiashu Xu.

    Gesundheit.

    better at climbing the greasy poll

    Typo, or pun?

    • Replies: @James Speaks


    The developer of this tower is Chris Jiashu Xu.
     
    Gesundheit.
     
    That's my joke. You owe me $5.
  163. @Jack D

    My birthright as an American was supposed to not have to live like an Asian.
     
    Actually your birthright (at least if you were from a city) was to live in a dense ethnically cohesive neighborhood where there was tremendous social capital and a support network. Atomizing all the white people out to the distant anonymous suburbs was good for General Motors and shopping center developers, not so good for the society.

    Atomizing all the white people out to the distant anonymous suburbs … not so good for society.

    In a Cold War context, it would be harder for Soviet nukes to immediately atomize whites spread out in distant anonymous suburbs. Dense highly populated cities are prime targets for mass killing using the right tactics.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Bingo. Everyone seems to have forgotten this?
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Maybe not everyone got this, Generic-Am, cause it works as a serious comment AND a joke.

    "ATOMIZE", people, got it now? Geeze!
  164. @Reg Cæsar

    I lived in Hawaii briefly almost 40 years ago. I think at that time the Governor and both Senators were Asian, as was at least one Congressman.
     
    I lived in Hawaii over 50 years ago. There were no Asians at all there at the time.

    Over a third of the population was Japanese, another tenth or sixth or so Chinese, and some Koreans, Philippines, and others. But nobody was "Asian".

    As for me, I was haole.

    When I was there, the Asian American identity stuff was starting, although I heard the word “oriental” more than Asian.

    And yes, the Pake (Chinese), Japanese and Filipinos were all very different ethnic groups.

    Even those had sub divisions. In some pineapple plantations, Tagalog and Ilikano speakers would work in different groups.

    A young lady I dated was half-Chinese and half-Japanese, which had been considered a mixed marriage when she was born in the Territory of Hawaii.

    And yes, most whites were referred to as haole although the Portagee (Portuguese) were considered a slightly different ethnic group.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    And yes, most whites were referred to as haole although the Portagee (Portuguese) were considered a slightly different ethnic group.
     
    Well, they invented the ukulele, so they were privileged.
  165. Many white men seem to like Asian women. Asian women seem less difficult with which to deal and not as sold on the idea that men are oppressors of women.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    The idea that they're "less difficult to deal with" approaches stereotypical imagery, is complicated by horror stories of what happens when they get truly angry, and is inexact anyway.
    Most East Asian women are not despoiled of the basic general plan of monogamy: they actually want a husband and a family. Most white women regard a husband (and separately children) as something like a good job which would require them to move: not totally unacceptable but highly subject to taste and circumstances.
    Those I have met either think closer to how men think or are better at plugging themselves in to male communication. This is not the same thing as being submissive, it's at the level of communication before any actions are agreed to or carried out. These were mainly high school and college students, often traveling abroad or dealing with foreigners, so the set may be self-selected for communications skills, but basic communication also seems to be better with every older white-Asian mixed couple, other than that one UFO guy who invented a stick.
    , @216
    If referring to Asians-in-Asia or f.o.b. you may have a point. But any Westernized Asian inculcates feminism easily, see: Jeong, Sarah. That 3-1 voting ratio against the GOP should speak for itself.

    Also take a visit to reddit r/hapa

    Lower value white men are making a fool's errand by thinking Asian women are the answer. Leveraging looks/personality in the place of shared values doesn't end well, better to just be MGTOW.
  166. @Ibound1
    Every Asian woman I know is married to a white guy. I don’t know what the hell their men do. The offspring will be for all purposes, White - because the women want it that way and I’ve seen it. Except those offspring can claim diversity points. That’s a good thing. The more high IQ, middle and upper class people claiming diversity points, the better. If we have to reserve spots, may as well reserve them for people who are competent and would get in anyway.

    ” If we have to reserve spots, may as well reserve them for people who are competent and would get in anyway.”

    You have it backward.

    They don’t have a set number of reserved spots. The whites merely fill in what’s left.

  167. @neutral
    Not buying this one bit, here is why.
    1) The worlds most important graph and Chinese fertility collapse means that Chinese demographics will struggle to even keep China Chinese.
    2) The (((people))) that truly run New York do so by other means and not by voting numbers.
    3) If all those Chinese are mixing with white men, you don't have Chinese offspring (nor white offspring).

    I appreciated Derbyshire’s recent take on this.

    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/time-to-stop-importing-an-immigrant-overclass/

    Hopefully Steve will add more thoughts.

  168. @Reg Cæsar

    There are 20-fold more Chinese in the world than Japanese.
     
    You had to say "fold", didn't you?


    https://i0.wp.com/waynesword.palomar.edu/images/epican1.jpg

    The epicanthic fold shows up sporadically in my family. On the Scottish side, so I seriously doubt there’s a Mongol in the woodpile. It’s not all that uncommon for northern Euros to have it.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    The actress, Renee Zellweger, when she was younger, had epicanthic folds.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_yCJiwrMK-M/maxresdefault.jpg
    , @Foreign Expert
    Doesn’t the latest DNA research show that Europeans are a kind of Asian?
  169. @Paleo Liberal
    No, that is not the case.

    There were quite a number of states that were one-party states — with a left and right wing— in the old days. Recall there was a time when the Democratic Party in the South ranged from radical leftists to hard core right wingers.

    In some parts of the Midwest, the same was true of the GOP.

    For example, in Wisconsin before the 1950s, the Democratic Party essentially did not exist, and was at different times the third or fourth largest party in the state, after the Republicans and Socialists and sometimes the Progressive Party, which was really the left wing of the GOP.

    The La Follette family, Bob Sr and Jr, were rather far left, and in the GOP most of the time.

    The left wing of the Republican Party took a big blow when Joe McCarthy beat Bob Jr. in the GOP Senate primary. Bob Jr. actually killed himself afterwards.

    During the 1950s, the anti-McCarthy Progressive wing of the GOP abandoned ship and started the modern Wisconsin Democratic Party. In fact, my state senator was elected as a Democrat during that time, and is still in office. Seriously. The guy is well into his 90s and is the longest serving state legislator in US history. Fred Risser.

    Just as there are still a few conservatives left in the Democratic Party, it isn’t too surprising that a leftist Baby Boom era Midwest Republican would keep his party affiliation after moving to a place where the GOP essentially did not exist. As another poster mentioned, it is easier to get the nomination of a party that is pretty much there in name only.

    Turn of events— these days the GOP is dead in Madison, Wisconsin. Not one Republican was on the ballot for any local races in 2018. Not even for Congressman.

    The left wing of the Republican Party took a big blow when Joe McCarthy beat Bob Jr.

    McCarthy himself was endorsed by unions. He was hardly conservative, just anti-Communist. As was LaFollette, albeit in an isolationist way.

    Bob Jr. actually killed himself afterwards.

    As did Senator Lester Hunt of Wyoming. His life and career were complicated by the failure of his son Buddy to pass, shall we say, the Turing test. McCarthy threatened to expose an unnamed senator the day before, but Karl Mundt of South Dakota insisted it wasn’t Hunt.

  170. @Another German Reader
    People's Republic of China's Special Administrative Regions:

    Hongkong
    Macau
    Vancouver
    Gwadar
    Hatamboa
    New York City (*1)


    * 1 New York City is also an Israeli Overseas District. The mayor of NYC is appointed by the Supreme Joint Council of Wall St & Chinese New Rich Money.

    I think the term is “concessions”. The English had their Hong Kong, the Germans their Qingdao (only place making good beer), but now it’s the Chinese’ turn at this. I’ll tell you one more BIG concession that the Chinese have occupied for a decade already – it’s just that it’s spread out. That is all University Graduate schools are Chinese concessions*, including the garden-apartment housing nearby- they love that shit. I think the average Chinaman thinks north Jersey is finer than the coast of California. Madness!

    .

    * See Housing Bubble 2.0 – (Part 2) – Voila, an American Dream.

  171. @Paleo Liberal
    When I was there, the Asian American identity stuff was starting, although I heard the word "oriental" more than Asian.

    And yes, the Pake (Chinese), Japanese and Filipinos were all very different ethnic groups.

    Even those had sub divisions. In some pineapple plantations, Tagalog and Ilikano speakers would work in different groups.

    A young lady I dated was half-Chinese and half-Japanese, which had been considered a mixed marriage when she was born in the Territory of Hawaii.

    And yes, most whites were referred to as haole although the Portagee (Portuguese) were considered a slightly different ethnic group.

    And yes, most whites were referred to as haole although the Portagee (Portuguese) were considered a slightly different ethnic group.

    Well, they invented the ukulele, so they were privileged.

  172. @Reg Cæsar

    Turn of events— these days the GOP is dead in Madison, Wisconsin. Not one Republican was on the ballot for any local races in 2018. Not even for Congressman.
     
    You'd think this would be a golden opportunity for some third party to be the second party locally.

    Most states usually use the governor's race results to qualify third parties and keep them on the ballot. Too bad, because locally-based parties in cities, panhandles, and the like could be of good use.

    A moderate black party would be the ideal strategy for a number of cities, if you could first pry the blacks out of the Democrats, and get the party on the ballot.

    At one point a third party did, in fact, take over the Madison government. Madison is in Dane County, and there is a local third party called Progressive Dane

    https://prodane.org/

    There was one election, 2007, where PD members won the mayor’s office and the majority of the Common Council (what they call city councils in Wisconsin). The elections are supposedly non-partisan, but the Democrats had endorsed the former Red Mayor of Madison, Paul Soglin, who was trying to make his second comeback. PD endorsed “Mayor Dave” whose Eastern European last name is almost impossible to spell or pronounce. Sounds a little like Cheesewhiz. Soglin had moved more to the center in his old age.

    Ever wonder what would happen if a dog chasing a car actually caught the car?

    Well, PD really had no idea what to do when they took over the city.

    Mayor Dave pretty much broke with PD after he took office. He realized they were purists, and he wanted to get things done. After 4 years, Soglin returned. He has served 2 4-year terms since then, and is running for another. Realize he has been in and out of office for over 40 years.

    The Common Council named an Alderman as their leader who was a UW student. It is not uncommon for the district which encompasses the University of Wisconsin to elect a student as alder, but rare for the alder to take over the Council.

    The head of the Common Council decided to make “immingrants’ rights” (meaning illegal aliens) his focus. He stayed until he got into grad school, I think at Berkeley, and left office in the middle of his term to head west.

    In the next election, the Democrats pretty much took over. One of my neighbors, whose kids used to be close friends with my kids, was the leader of the ultra-right wing branch of the Common Council in those days. In 2008 he was the Dane County Chair for the Obama campaign right off the bat. That’s right. In Madison, Hillary Clinton was considered way too far right wing for even the most right wing politician in the city.

  173. @Art Deco
    He was from the Midwest, which used to have left wing Republicans.

    No place in American ever had much in the way of 'left-wing' Republicans. You've had liberal Republicans, but there haven't been any in Congress in a dozen years and you'd be hard put to find one who was first elected to Congress after 1986 or thereabouts. They didn't have the machine or union affiliations of northern Democrats and commonly had somewhat tony backgrounds. They weren't particularly common in the Rustbelt or Plains, though you had some. More New England, the New York - Washington corridor, and the Bay Area - Seattle corridor.

    “you’d be hard put to find one who was first elected to Congress after 1986 or thereabouts”

    Correct. The last true left of center House Republican was Connie Morella, elected in 1986. Chris Shays was an arguable liberal and won a special election in 1987.

    There were a few one-termers after them, like the guy who lucked into the black majority New Orleans district when the Democrat was discovered with almost $100,000 in cash in his freezer.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    There were a few one-termers after them, like the guy who lucked into the black majority New Orleans district when the Democrat was discovered with almost $100,000 in cash in his freezer.
     
    Is that even unusual for Louisiana politics? That state has had some of the most corrupt politicians in the country, esp. around New Orleans.

    But I do seem to remember that freezer incident. Nothing like cold cash.
  174. @ben tillman

    If the choice is only between high-earning mass immigration and mass immigrantion that is dominated by welfare-eligible low earners, yes, that is a better option only if it reduces income inequality by providing more competition for high-wage jobs.
     
    Why would anyone consider that to be a good thing?

    because
    ” only if it reduces income inequality”

    It’s an egalitarian. Don’t you know all men are created equal.

  175. @Twinkie

    My 5 grand-nephews range from looking mostly asian to looking like dark haired whites. Two of them just look like darker haired Bavarians to me. None of them look totally Asian because they all have brown hair, although it will probably darken with age.
     
    One of my daughters has green eyes (from my wife) and reddish/auburn hair (via me, from my mother). I’m 99.9% East Asian, but several times more likely to have lighter hair and eyes than the average East Asian genetic profile at 23andme (I have very dark brown hair, but copper beard and body hair). Apparently, that’s from Asian Neanderthal genes.

    My oldest son has the most blondish hair among the kids. He has brown ends, but blond roots. My wife and I thought that he’d grow out of it, but he’s kept it.

    My wife is 99.9% British/Irish, German, and Scandinavian. Our children are “Arctic Alliance” personified. They see themselves as whites with a touch of the exotic. Or, more accurately, they see themselves as all-American, only with spicy condiments. They don’t have much of a “race consciousness.”

    N.E. Asian men with white wives can produce some very attractive daughters. More so than the more common white male/oriental female from what I’ve seen. Consequently, I support such pairings for aesthetic reasons — more beauty is a good thing.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Said the Asian guy😀
    , @Twinkie

    N.E. Asian men with white wives can produce some very attractive daughters. More so than the more common white male/oriental female from what I’ve seen.
     
    Er, thanks? I don't think that's very scientific though.

    I will say this. AMWF pairings tend to be more assortative than WMAF, only because the older married cohorts have war brides and such (those marriages tend to have more mismatches). Among the younger couples there is little if any difference.

    My sons are hunks. My oldest, who is a nationally ranked junior masters division Judoka and also a very high level junior Jujiteiro, has handsome looks and is quite muscular (he's been training since he was a toddler). He is a hit with the ladies.
  176. @donut
    A friend sent me this :


    Seven-year-old Mohammad entered his classroom in Dublin on the first day of school.


    "What's your name?", asked the teacher.

    "Mohammad," he replied.



    "You're in Ireland now," replied the teacher, "so from now on you will be known as Mike."


    Mohammad returned home after school.

    "How was your day, Mohammad?" his mother asked.
    "My name is not Mohammad. I'm in Ireland and now my name is Mike."


    "Are you ashamed of your name?" his mother asked. "Are you trying to dishonor your parents, your heritage, your religion? Shame on you!"

    And his mother beat the shit out of him.


    Then she called his father, who beat the shit out of him again.

    The next day Mohammad returned to school.

    The teacher saw all his fresh bruises. "What happened to you, Mike?" she asked.


    "Well, shortly after becoming an Irishman, I was attacked by two fucking Muslims."

    I’m stealing that one, like right now.

  177. @Lot
    “you’d be hard put to find one who was first elected to Congress after 1986 or thereabouts”

    Correct. The last true left of center House Republican was Connie Morella, elected in 1986. Chris Shays was an arguable liberal and won a special election in 1987.

    There were a few one-termers after them, like the guy who lucked into the black majority New Orleans district when the Democrat was discovered with almost $100,000 in cash in his freezer.

    There were a few one-termers after them, like the guy who lucked into the black majority New Orleans district when the Democrat was discovered with almost $100,000 in cash in his freezer.

    Is that even unusual for Louisiana politics? That state has had some of the most corrupt politicians in the country, esp. around New Orleans.

    But I do seem to remember that freezer incident. Nothing like cold cash.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Freezer-man thought he could get away with it.

    To the credit of N.O. Black voters, they voted for the Republican over the felon, 50-47. Then elected a non-felon democrat 65-33 the next election.
  178. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:

    Off topic:

    https://www.montereyherald.com/2019/03/19/trucking-companies-look-to-felons-to-fill-thousands-of-driver-openings/

    Trucking companies are hiring felons to fill thousands of driver openings

    “When I applied for the job I was honest with them,” Lauria said. He got the job and now earns $17 an hour.
    Lauria owes his turnaround in part to a growing U.S. labor shortage. As the long-haul trucking industry scrambles to fill openings for drivers, more than 40 large operators have tapped an unlikely labor source — felons.

    If Trump is going to run the 2020 campaign on Kushner prison reform, there’s a good place to start here.

  179. @Paleo Liberal

    There were a few one-termers after them, like the guy who lucked into the black majority New Orleans district when the Democrat was discovered with almost $100,000 in cash in his freezer.
     
    Is that even unusual for Louisiana politics? That state has had some of the most corrupt politicians in the country, esp. around New Orleans.

    But I do seem to remember that freezer incident. Nothing like cold cash.

    Freezer-man thought he could get away with it.

    To the credit of N.O. Black voters, they voted for the Republican over the felon, 50-47. Then elected a non-felon democrat 65-33 the next election.

  180. @Jack D
    I have several friends who are Chinese American. They are educated people with professional or advanced degrees. Some are married to whites and some not, but pretty much uniformly if they were raised in America then the main culture that they identify with is American. Mostly they can't even speak Chinese. They are pretty much indistinguishable in their interests from any other well educated white with their socioeconomic background (mostly their parents were professional people too). I would call them bananas - yellow on the outside, white on the inside. And their kids are even more American if such a thing is possible.

    In the case of mixed race people it really doesn't take long to lose all vestige of connection to the original culture and sometimes even appearance. We have new neighbors. The wife is 1/2 Indian but born and raised in Wisconsin (I think that 40 or 50 years ago there was a smaller South Asian community in America so it was MORE common for Indian men to intermarry). She looks and sounds white (this is surely bolstered by the fact that her clothes, hairstyle, makeup, etc. are all that of a white person), her husband is white and their kids are just ordinary American kids with an exotic grandpa. Recently she described to me the experience of having to go to India with her dad to scatter her grandma's ashes in the Ganges. She described India as being completely horrifying to her, as horrifying as it would be to any good Midwestern girl. You could tell that she was looking at it with American eyes and viewed it as a completely alien place.

    Maybe Mexicans hang onto their culture longer and blacks have no choice but to be seen as black, but I think folks here underestimate how quickly high functioning Asians disappear into elite American society.

    blacks have no choice but to be seen as black

    Kamala Harris is a rare exception. Because she is a mixture of black and other nonwhite (Indian) ancestry, the One Drop Rule doesn’t apply and she could have identified as mixed. This is especially so because at least to me she looks quite Indian, much more so than black. But of course she’s always identified as 100% black.

  181. @Jack D
    I have several friends who are Chinese American. They are educated people with professional or advanced degrees. Some are married to whites and some not, but pretty much uniformly if they were raised in America then the main culture that they identify with is American. Mostly they can't even speak Chinese. They are pretty much indistinguishable in their interests from any other well educated white with their socioeconomic background (mostly their parents were professional people too). I would call them bananas - yellow on the outside, white on the inside. And their kids are even more American if such a thing is possible.

    In the case of mixed race people it really doesn't take long to lose all vestige of connection to the original culture and sometimes even appearance. We have new neighbors. The wife is 1/2 Indian but born and raised in Wisconsin (I think that 40 or 50 years ago there was a smaller South Asian community in America so it was MORE common for Indian men to intermarry). She looks and sounds white (this is surely bolstered by the fact that her clothes, hairstyle, makeup, etc. are all that of a white person), her husband is white and their kids are just ordinary American kids with an exotic grandpa. Recently she described to me the experience of having to go to India with her dad to scatter her grandma's ashes in the Ganges. She described India as being completely horrifying to her, as horrifying as it would be to any good Midwestern girl. You could tell that she was looking at it with American eyes and viewed it as a completely alien place.

    Maybe Mexicans hang onto their culture longer and blacks have no choice but to be seen as black, but I think folks here underestimate how quickly high functioning Asians disappear into elite American society.

    Briefly coming out of comment retirement…

    This is more or less the same dynamic I’ve observed with the myriad hapas I knew growing up and in college. Even the Indians-who tend to be far more racially exclusive than Chinese or other East Asians-have “coconut” kids within a generation. America’s old assimilation pull isn’t fully dead yet, not for lack of progressive trying: or perhaps more tellingly, because upper-middle class liberals do not take the medicine they prescribe to the proles.

    Since I’m pretty much the walking profile of the socially maladjusted white geek who tends to end up with Asian women for reasons ranging from proximity to better cultural fit to hypergamy, I’m looking at the future, I guess. Asians really are the 21st Century Jews. Not a complete mapping, but if you look at the Bronx School of Science these days…

    >Maybe Mexicans hang onto their culture longer and blacks have no choice but to be seen as black, but I think folks here underestimate how quickly high functioning Asians disappear into elite American society.

    Nah, I think with different parameters-selecting for higher skilled immigrants, America of the WWII or Cold War era rather than America today-they’d melt in reasonably quickly-maybe not as quickly as high-functioning Asians, but quickly enough. Mexicans actually strike me as being roughly analogous to Malays, not just in terms of the laid-back culture and the kickass food. Unlike blacks, as long as the numbers are modest and the societal guidelines are firm, they can be reasonably functional in a country dominated by whites or Chinese, respectively. They won’t be winning Nobel Prizes, but they’ll have stable family units, jobs, and the occasional batch of future bourgeois kids. But if they end up dominating the country, however, things quickly go to hell.

    The big difference is, of course, the religious factor, especially after 1979 and the resulting wave of religious conservatism in Southeast Asia. Islam flat-out prohibits Malay women from marrying non-Muslim men, making full-on assimilation and racial mixing impossible, which is why you see messes like Malaysia’s current racial politics. If a Malay woman (usually a relatively secular and upwardly mobile one who grew up seeing daily how Malay men treat their wives and wants no part of that) wants to marry a non-Muslim man, she’s going to have to leave the country to do so, at the very best. Hispanics have no such prohibitions. White male/Hispanic female marriage is quite common these days in places like rural Texas, and the kids more or less fully identify as white with exotic maternal grandparents. Of course, that’s an optimal scenario. Go to California, and while you still see intermarriage, it usually goes the other way around: the white husband assimilates to Hispanic culture, and the kids grow up thinking of themselves as “Hispanic”, however white they might look.

    (On the other hand, Islam’s draconian social code arguably prevents Malays and Indonesians from obeying their worst impulses, a la the Filipinos, so it is a mixed bag. Indonesia’s not China, or even Thailand, but neither is it the Philippines or Bangladesh-and without bumi laws, Indonesians, along with Singaporean Malays, are a lot more diligent and hard-working than their Malaysian Malay counterparts.)

    • Replies: @Hail

    Asians really are the 21st Century Jews
     
    I believe the Overseas Chinese were first bestowed with the moniker the "Jews of the East," by no less than the Thai King in the early 20th century.

    It fit then -- and it fits now, broadly speaking. Now that they are here, it applies to North America (and to poor Australia, who, on current trajectory, will fall to the Chinese sooner than NYC will).

    There are a couple of important differences. The most obvious is numbers. The second most obvious is that the '21st Century Jews' have an upcoming superpower on their side, one which doesn't require a suffocatingly dominant China Lobby in Washington or control of the U.S. media, etc., to perpetuate itself.

    Finally I'd like to note a similarity: Both the classic Jews and the '21st Century Jews' have a fair number willing stooges among our people (White Christians, the core and founding stock of the most successful societies on the planet). Unz Review columnist Godfree Roberts is one of the latter, a rather transparent China stooge. More than a few commenters upthread here are not far behind Godfree 'Pied Piper' Roberts.

  182. @Desiderius

    As a Jewish girl I dated put it, “when you’re trying to meet a hot guy at a bar, you’re competing against blondes. When you’re husband hunting, you’re competing against Asians.”
     
    Of course her real competition is the girls not getting pounded by hot guys at bars.

    Of course her real competition is the girls not getting pounded by hot guys at bars.

    Exactly. It’s amazing that many girls can’t seem to grasp the obvious–maybe too much Hollyweird media?

    I think more and more young guys have figured it out–don’t marry sluts. And the sluts have some sort of job and can never find a guy like the sexyist guy that ever picked them up to marry. So … marriage rates are cratering.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Are they?
    , @guest
    Unfortunately, they have to realize the Awful Truth when they're young and stupid. Because by the time they realize the carousel is slowing down, they're not young and pretty anymore. I would say at least young and dumb men can establish a career in the meantime and eventually buy a wife, but of course they're buying used.

    This is what patriarchy is for. To tell dumb girls what to do.
  183. @Abe

    However, I’m very curious about the attitudes about this among the Chinese. It seems deracinated American whites don’t bat an eye about race mixing. No SWPL white feels grief that their grand-child is half Asian. But what do the Chinese feel about it?
     
    In general and the world over, women want men substantially bigger/taller than themselves. We are friends with a family that unfortunately got divorced recently- my wife chose to remain chummy with the woman (and I am fine with that, not ever really getting to know the man, or like much of what I saw when I did for that matter) and so I get frequent updates on the gay divorcée ‘s new dating life. She a blonde HB8 (7.7 to be completely accurate) and so probably has her pick of men, but according to what’s relayed to me her top priority is finding a new man at least as tall as her ~6’5” ex. So anyway, many more walking tower-of-beef Gronk’s among the European-descended population than their own.

    Also, back when we were still only engaged, I took my wife to an intra-Ivy local alumni picnic. There was a nice Chinese/Taiwanese gent there with his mom, and mom was macking all over my sweetie, talking about how one of the early Presidents of Taiwan had a Russian ballerina wife, how cute mixed Eurasian babies looked, etc. So that’s my anecdotal evidence- Asian females (maybe males, I don’t know) think mixed grandkids will look awfully cute, and I’d have to agree they usually do.


    I had met one of Chiang Kai Shek’s late (((grandson))) in person. As you can see from their picture, they were not exactly cute looking bunch. Even when younger, they were just ok looking.

    There were some sour grips by 1949ers that Taiwanese were so racists/anti-Semitic that one of those (((grandson))) didn’t become president/continue the family business. Maybe CIA should had engineer one of Kim’s Swiss classmate to marry him as a way to end Kim dynasty in NK.

  184. @AnotherDad

    Of course her real competition is the girls not getting pounded by hot guys at bars.
     
    Exactly. It's amazing that many girls can't seem to grasp the obvious--maybe too much Hollyweird media?

    I think more and more young guys have figured it out--don't marry sluts. And the sluts have some sort of job and can never find a guy like the sexyist guy that ever picked them up to marry. So ... marriage rates are cratering.

    Are they?

  185. @Paul
    Many white men seem to like Asian women. Asian women seem less difficult with which to deal and not as sold on the idea that men are oppressors of women.

    The idea that they’re “less difficult to deal with” approaches stereotypical imagery, is complicated by horror stories of what happens when they get truly angry, and is inexact anyway.
    Most East Asian women are not despoiled of the basic general plan of monogamy: they actually want a husband and a family. Most white women regard a husband (and separately children) as something like a good job which would require them to move: not totally unacceptable but highly subject to taste and circumstances.
    Those I have met either think closer to how men think or are better at plugging themselves in to male communication. This is not the same thing as being submissive, it’s at the level of communication before any actions are agreed to or carried out. These were mainly high school and college students, often traveling abroad or dealing with foreigners, so the set may be self-selected for communications skills, but basic communication also seems to be better with every older white-Asian mixed couple, other than that one UFO guy who invented a stick.

  186. @donut
    A friend sent me this :


    Seven-year-old Mohammad entered his classroom in Dublin on the first day of school.


    "What's your name?", asked the teacher.

    "Mohammad," he replied.



    "You're in Ireland now," replied the teacher, "so from now on you will be known as Mike."


    Mohammad returned home after school.

    "How was your day, Mohammad?" his mother asked.
    "My name is not Mohammad. I'm in Ireland and now my name is Mike."


    "Are you ashamed of your name?" his mother asked. "Are you trying to dishonor your parents, your heritage, your religion? Shame on you!"

    And his mother beat the shit out of him.


    Then she called his father, who beat the shit out of him again.

    The next day Mohammad returned to school.

    The teacher saw all his fresh bruises. "What happened to you, Mike?" she asked.


    "Well, shortly after becoming an Irishman, I was attacked by two fucking Muslims."

    Mohammed, Mike, whatever — you know if he gets angry enough he’ll curse the British Empire and blow up.

  187. @Paul
    Many white men seem to like Asian women. Asian women seem less difficult with which to deal and not as sold on the idea that men are oppressors of women.

    If referring to Asians-in-Asia or f.o.b. you may have a point. But any Westernized Asian inculcates feminism easily, see: Jeong, Sarah. That 3-1 voting ratio against the GOP should speak for itself.

    Also take a visit to reddit r/hapa

    Lower value white men are making a fool’s errand by thinking Asian women are the answer. Leveraging looks/personality in the place of shared values doesn’t end well, better to just be MGTOW.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @davosbane
    [Extreme] MGTOW is a genetic dead end.
  188. anonymous[253] • Disclaimer says:
    @Father O'Hara
    There's lots of unattractive Chinese girls? The devil you say!😇

    in my experience the ratio in China for attractive/non-attractive women is, just like the ratio in the USA, around 90-10 for the group of non-obese women in their early 30s.

    no big country can really do better than that ratio, for obvious reasons. The biggest reason is that ugly people like to have sex with each other and have babies, and nobody should want to stop them from doing so, but there are several other almost as obvious reasons . Lots of women are not interested in being beautiful is a big factor in the First World for one set of reasons, and in the Third World lots of women are unable or uninterested in doing what women do to stay attractive – they are poor and the men for whom they would want to be beautiful are fairly repulsive – incentives matter.

    Some small countries – Thailand, Iceland, and Mormonland (if it were a country) in the west of the USA – may do a little better than 90/10, and places like Scotland and England and Ceylon do a little worse – but there are all sorts of reasons why most women, almost everywhere, are good looking in their 20s and early 30s.

    If you are interested in this subject, consider the differences among the various ethnic groups who live in Hawaii.

    That being said, my reasoning so far does not contend with obesity. If you factor in obesity as a negative, which is the compassionate thing to do when discussing such matters in a forum that is read by men who do not want an obese wife, we all know which countries fall way below that ratio of 90/10. As for me, I am not bothered much by 20 or 30 extra pounds on a woman but even I notice these things.

    And meth and opioids really impact attractiveness in both sexes, and meth and opioids and similar drugs are used a lot more in some places than others.

    Alcohol does not tend to affect womens’ looks much until they are middle-aged, by the way. If we are talking about women in their 40s, though, alcohol abuse is a big factor way too often.

  189. @Paleo Liberal
    No, that is not the case.

    There were quite a number of states that were one-party states — with a left and right wing— in the old days. Recall there was a time when the Democratic Party in the South ranged from radical leftists to hard core right wingers.

    In some parts of the Midwest, the same was true of the GOP.

    For example, in Wisconsin before the 1950s, the Democratic Party essentially did not exist, and was at different times the third or fourth largest party in the state, after the Republicans and Socialists and sometimes the Progressive Party, which was really the left wing of the GOP.

    The La Follette family, Bob Sr and Jr, were rather far left, and in the GOP most of the time.

    The left wing of the Republican Party took a big blow when Joe McCarthy beat Bob Jr. in the GOP Senate primary. Bob Jr. actually killed himself afterwards.

    During the 1950s, the anti-McCarthy Progressive wing of the GOP abandoned ship and started the modern Wisconsin Democratic Party. In fact, my state senator was elected as a Democrat during that time, and is still in office. Seriously. The guy is well into his 90s and is the longest serving state legislator in US history. Fred Risser.

    Just as there are still a few conservatives left in the Democratic Party, it isn’t too surprising that a leftist Baby Boom era Midwest Republican would keep his party affiliation after moving to a place where the GOP essentially did not exist. As another poster mentioned, it is easier to get the nomination of a party that is pretty much there in name only.

    Turn of events— these days the GOP is dead in Madison, Wisconsin. Not one Republican was on the ballot for any local races in 2018. Not even for Congressman.

    And until the 1990s, Deep South state and local politics was still dominated by conservative Democrats, despite the massive economic and demographic changes starting in the 1970s. Things went almost overnight from characters like Charlie “Good Time” Wilson happily womanizing and doing blow in between funneling aid to the mujahideen to these weird-ass constipated monks.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar


    And until the 1990s, Deep South state and local politics was still dominated by conservative Democrats
     
    The oldest of whom would have voted for fellow traveler FDR four times.

    So, at best, they'd have been be neoconservative.
  190. @Reg Cæsar

    The developer of this tower is Chris Jiashu Xu.
     
    Gesundheit.

    better at climbing the greasy poll
     
    Typo, or pun?

    The developer of this tower is Chris Jiashu Xu.

    Gesundheit.

    That’s my joke. You owe me $5.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    I'll dig out my stash of Deng-era renminbi. If they haven't decomposed yet.
  191. @Jack D
    I have several friends who are Chinese American. They are educated people with professional or advanced degrees. Some are married to whites and some not, but pretty much uniformly if they were raised in America then the main culture that they identify with is American. Mostly they can't even speak Chinese. They are pretty much indistinguishable in their interests from any other well educated white with their socioeconomic background (mostly their parents were professional people too). I would call them bananas - yellow on the outside, white on the inside. And their kids are even more American if such a thing is possible.

    In the case of mixed race people it really doesn't take long to lose all vestige of connection to the original culture and sometimes even appearance. We have new neighbors. The wife is 1/2 Indian but born and raised in Wisconsin (I think that 40 or 50 years ago there was a smaller South Asian community in America so it was MORE common for Indian men to intermarry). She looks and sounds white (this is surely bolstered by the fact that her clothes, hairstyle, makeup, etc. are all that of a white person), her husband is white and their kids are just ordinary American kids with an exotic grandpa. Recently she described to me the experience of having to go to India with her dad to scatter her grandma's ashes in the Ganges. She described India as being completely horrifying to her, as horrifying as it would be to any good Midwestern girl. You could tell that she was looking at it with American eyes and viewed it as a completely alien place.

    Maybe Mexicans hang onto their culture longer and blacks have no choice but to be seen as black, but I think folks here underestimate how quickly high functioning Asians disappear into elite American society.

    Or you could call them twinkies.

  192. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Atomizing all the white people out to the distant anonymous suburbs … not so good for society.
     
    In a Cold War context, it would be harder for Soviet nukes to immediately atomize whites spread out in distant anonymous suburbs. Dense highly populated cities are prime targets for mass killing using the right tactics.

    Bingo. Everyone seems to have forgotten this?

  193. @Jamie_NYC
    Let me tell you something about these topics (I’m married to a Chinese woman and we have two kids):

    - the kids definitely do not look Chinese (nor do they look white). Boys tend to look kind of mixed, not very masculine facial features. That’s why i expect my son to one day marry an Asian girl. The girls can be very, very beautiful, by universal acclaim. I would bet my daughter will one day marry a white guy.

    - Chinese don’t seem to mind mixed marriages. It’s as if they only care about gene propagation. In Eastern Europe, Chinese couples give their children local names, kids learn the local language, etc. How young Chinese men feel when they see mixed couples (white guy, Asian girl) I can only guess.

    That’s why i expect my [half White, half Chinese] son to one day marry an Asian girl

    I would bet my daughter will one day marry a white guy.

    What you are describing is really a racial ‘Ponzi Scheme’.

    Consider how the classic ponzi scheme works. The system of race-driven romantic “White Male, East Asian Female” pairings you (and many others) have identified is, in essence, the same. In this racial-sexual ponzi scheme, an endless supply of ‘pure Asians’ and ‘pure Whites’ is required to prop up the miscegenationist gravy train, including as partners for the mixed-race offspring in Generation 2 (and presumably beyond).

    A system of romantic pairings that is effectively a giant racial ponzi scheme is, to say the least, highly unhealthy.

    Remember that Ponzi schemes always fall apart. They never end happily.

    What damage is to be done before this one unravels?

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    " ... the miscegenationist gravy train ..."

    If that train is full of Asian beauties with long black hair I'm buying a ticket. I figure it this way: a Chinese woman's brain will compensate for my Irish one.
  194. @istevefan
    OT - but if there were ever an MSM article worthy of a Sailer post, it would be this.

    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1107895487770836992

    Ezra Klein, the poster boy of Millennial, aggressively corporate bien-pensantism, brought up this very topic last year. Since it is people like Klein who dominated the zeitgeist of the Obama-era Democratic Party, might be wise to listen to what they say they’d like to do.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/30/17505406/trump-obama-race-politics-immigration

    His proposal: simply lie about it. Or avoid talking about it. Knowing Klein’s previous statements and the authoritarian nature of the modern MSM, my guess is they’ll be proactive in going after anyone who does.

    But let’s see how well that works in the age of the Internet and increasing blatant disregard for societal elite opinions that Trump’s buffoonery won’t be able to halt in the long haul. Especially if the various other components of the Coalition of the Fringes decide that they have no use for affluent white liberals anymore before they start fighting each other.

    • Replies: @216
    The Internet is not what it was in 2000, it increasingly resembles "real life" in terms of incipient female demands for a hugbox.

    Support for political correctness is higher in Millennials and Gen Z. It's aging Boomers that produce cringe-worthy denunciations of PC culture.

    A lot depends on the creation of alternative platforms, an alternative infrastructure, and ultimately alternative communities and self-determination.
  195. @nebulafox
    And until the 1990s, Deep South state and local politics was still dominated by conservative Democrats, despite the massive economic and demographic changes starting in the 1970s. Things went almost overnight from characters like Charlie "Good Time" Wilson happily womanizing and doing blow in between funneling aid to the mujahideen to these weird-ass constipated monks.

    And until the 1990s, Deep South state and local politics was still dominated by conservative Democrats

    The oldest of whom would have voted for fellow traveler FDR four times.

    So, at best, they’d have been be neoconservative.

    • Replies: @captflee
    While we down here in the backwards and benighted south have always had among us a sizable contingent of southern fried socialists, the support for the Democrats was always a lot more about tribal memory and inertia. 1932 was, after all, but two generations after the 1877 departure of the blue uniformed scum of the earth, despatched on their holy mission of murder, rapine, and looting by the sectional party of the north, the Republicans.
  196. Somewhat on topic – where is the best place in North America for white men to date interracially? NYC? Vancouver? Texas?

    It sure as hell ain’t Toronto. Unless you’re clever and know where to look and don’t poison your soul with NPC garbage.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    Detroit.
    , @Daniel H
    Somewhat on topic – where is the best place in North America for white men to date interracially? NYC? Vancouver? Texas?

    You're delusional or you're a soy boy. Here's what you should do: lift weights and eat meat, and return to this thought 1 year from now. See how you feel then.

    , @san joaquin sam
    Anywhere in California
  197. @James Speaks


    The developer of this tower is Chris Jiashu Xu.
     
    Gesundheit.
     
    That's my joke. You owe me $5.

    I’ll dig out my stash of Deng-era renminbi. If they haven’t decomposed yet.

  198. @nebulafox
    Ezra Klein, the poster boy of Millennial, aggressively corporate bien-pensantism, brought up this very topic last year. Since it is people like Klein who dominated the zeitgeist of the Obama-era Democratic Party, might be wise to listen to what they say they'd like to do.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/30/17505406/trump-obama-race-politics-immigration

    His proposal: simply lie about it. Or avoid talking about it. Knowing Klein's previous statements and the authoritarian nature of the modern MSM, my guess is they'll be proactive in going after anyone who does.

    But let's see how well that works in the age of the Internet and increasing blatant disregard for societal elite opinions that Trump's buffoonery won't be able to halt in the long haul. Especially if the various other components of the Coalition of the Fringes decide that they have no use for affluent white liberals anymore before they start fighting each other.

    The Internet is not what it was in 2000, it increasingly resembles “real life” in terms of incipient female demands for a hugbox.

    Support for political correctness is higher in Millennials and Gen Z. It’s aging Boomers that produce cringe-worthy denunciations of PC culture.

    A lot depends on the creation of alternative platforms, an alternative infrastructure, and ultimately alternative communities and self-determination.

  199. @haole
    The down fall of asian communities in the western world is the same as in Asia, corruption. I am basing this on Hawaii which is the most Asian enclave in a western country. We may have high IQ asians but none of our government services work worth a damn. The brown Asians: phillipinos, samoans etc are not better off under Asian rule, they did just as well under the Missionaries. (I cant support that statement but would love too.) Asian democracy suffers because Asians have poor impulse control, the impulse to be corrupt is the same impulse that makes them gamble and be bad drivers. The good side of the impulse /gamble compulsion is they want to start small businesses. I think high IQ low impulse control could be a good thing, or a thing, a pattern. Low IQ / low impulse control is a disaster.

    dont expect Asians to become republicans. Half the Asians, the male half, see themselves as losers to whites, they may have good jobs and money but the high SMV girls go to the more masculine men of other races. That is why they vote like blacks as far as I can see. If Asians become republicans expect the Republican politicians to favor open borders with Asia.

    “Asians have poor impulse control” – they do? first time I’ve heard of this…

    • Replies: @guest
    If you include the Mid-east, then exclude everything else.
    , @Twinkie
    In casinos, yes. Elsewhere in life, no.
    , @haole
    There are asians and then there are asians.

    Thailand has the worlds highest fatality rate from traffic accidents, so wikipedia says. A lot of this is just the impulse to speeed and take chances. Asian women have the reputation of being the worst drivers in the USA. Asians love to gamble, an impulse. Asians are also huge eaters, 130 lb asians wim the hot dog eating contests.


    They seem to control the impulse to murder better then whites are blacks, they have low murder rates. Corruption, the impulse to steal and cheat is very strong, asian societies are corrupt, crossing the border into the USA does not seem to change this trait.
  200. @Jack D

    inconsiderate and impolite and untrusting Asiamerican worker drones,
     
    All over the cities of Asia, millions of people live cheek by jowl in high rise apartment buildings that look a lot like the housing projects that were built in American cities after WWII. High rise towers in cities make a lot of sense in terms of land use, energy use, environmental impact, etc. In fact a lot more sense than covering the countryside for 40 miles around with 1/4 acre lots and having everyone drive their giant SUV to work downtown.

    Except that the ones in America were filled mostly with blacks who made these buildings into unlivable hellholes so that they ultimately had to be dynamited despite being in perfect structural condition.

    So you’ve been to the Pruitt-Igoe site in St. Louis.

  201. @Lot
    “Chinese in NY often tend to much lower class than the West Coast also.”

    My observation too. I think the poor/illegal Chinese migrants favor NY, while much of our migration goes like this: Rich or upper middle class Dad buys California RE for cash, moves wife and kids there, stays in China until he’s ready to retire or the police state starts to scare him. They may then chain migrate their middle class relatives, though Chinese families are so small that there isn’t too much chain migration.

    Slight correction: Dad gets the money out of China before the police start proceedings to recover this bribe money, based on myriad complaints. Dad gets out while he can and family has already gotten Green Cards or citizenship and is in a position to get him his green card.

    It turns out, that no, middle-level Chinese Government officials make only $500 to $1000 monthly, and not really an amount that can get that McMansion in Arcata. Who knew?

  202. Yellow Fever runs high. Even that yellow supremacist hired by the NYT appears to date nothing but white boys.

    Judging by Madison Avenue, most all interracial couples are white female/black male. However, I did see one incomprehensible white male/Asian female coupling in a commercial recently. He eats with her family and doesn’t understand their language, ha-ha. They bond over…Prego sauce. Wait, what?

    Why not just have the girlfriend be Italian? Make the boyfriend whatever you want; I don’t care.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    It works see, because Chinese people don't know the difference between premium NY style pizza and the fat, greasy crap from Pizza Hut. They don't know about good baking, and the kind of cooking Italians do, in general. Therefore, the point was "Bring some of our 20-year shelf-life Prego sauce to any meals with your Chinese girlfriend (with the eye folds) and her family. They will not know the difference, and you can tell them it's like Vinegar and Soy sauce for Americans".

    Then you pour it over everything to drown out the taste of the vegetables. Nobody likes vegetables, but people just refuse to admit that.

    You think these marketing people are idiots? (Wait, don't answer that, there's more ....)
  203. @Anon
    Difference between Chinese and Indians is that Indians prefer cousin marriage - Chinese culturally understand cousin marriage is bad. Over time this is why the Indians stay in the caste they started in.

    When you look at Vancouver the Chinese have not really contributed much to Canada. As a Canadian it is always funny to read how in the US the Indians and Chinese are sooooo much smarter than whites. I think it is because the Asians who go to the USA self select and you get the ones that want to study hard. Come to Vancouver and I can show you lots of stupid Asians. At least with blacks the schools get decent sports teams.

    At least with blacks the schools get decent sports teams.

    OK, now you’re talking. You’ve got my support for Blacks over Orientals … NOT.

  204. @neutral
    Not buying this one bit, here is why.
    1) The worlds most important graph and Chinese fertility collapse means that Chinese demographics will struggle to even keep China Chinese.
    2) The (((people))) that truly run New York do so by other means and not by voting numbers.
    3) If all those Chinese are mixing with white men, you don't have Chinese offspring (nor white offspring).

    If all those Chinese are mixing with white men, you don’t have Chinese offspring (nor white offspring).

    The era of reckless, WhiteMale-AsianFemale miscegenation — a giant, racial-sexual ponzi scheme — may just be a passing trend.* Future generations could well look back on this era and wince at the relatively reckless levels of miscegenation, understanding that it was symbolic of something being not quite right in society.

    (Many commenters in this thread have identified parts of the unhealthiness of this phenomenon, though a fairly large fraction are themselves partakers.)

    It’s probably worth saying that it’s not the ‘fault’ of the children of such unions. It does seem likely that a ‘Eurasian’ racial category will emerge in earnest, before the pendulum returns its swing towards racial integrity as something valuable.

    Some of these people like to call themselves “Hapa.” We may be just on the cusp of the Hapa ethnogenesis right now.

    __________

    * – Other examples of past racial-sexual trends that have turned: White Male -Amerindian Female pairings, once common in some parts of North America, are it seems today a lot less common in relative terms; White Male – Black Female pairings are, today, close to 0% if one liberally rounds down, and yet not so many generations ago we saw a huge number of such pairings on many Southern plantations. And then there is White Male – EastAsian Female, itself rare when the Chinese were making their first takeover attempt at the end of the 19th century (until the Chinese Exclusion Act secured the West Coast for European Mankind for another century and a half or more). Likewise, the White Protestant missionary families who had sons and daughters in East Asia, the child generation almost always married White, despite being surrounded on all sides by racially-local girls, this was not a ‘thing’ at the time.

    • Replies: @Lot
    “The era of reckless, WhiteMale-AsianFemale miscegenation — a giant, racial-sexual ponzi scheme — may just be a passing trend.“


    https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/asian-woman-on-smartphone.jpg

    “The Roundeyes Know, Shut It Down.”
  205. @zapa
    "Asians have poor impulse control" - they do? first time I've heard of this...

    If you include the Mid-east, then exclude everything else.

  206. @Thinker
    Here in the west coast, I'm seeing more and more Asian guy - white girl couples, and half-white Asian guys always have white girlfriends.

    The quintessential being that Good Looking Loser guy. He was a monster. Seemed to channel the right energies from his Asian side and white side.

  207. @Reg Cæsar

    There are 20-fold more Chinese in the world than Japanese.
     
    You had to say "fold", didn't you?


    https://i0.wp.com/waynesword.palomar.edu/images/epican1.jpg

    Unless you’ve got two butt shots to match, I’m going with the daughter sight unseen. These are not the folds I am looking for.

    LOL!

    I had to do this myself, because, I am, seriously, like literally LOLing.

  208. @AGirl
    I left the USA largely because as a white woman I couldn't find a white man to marry. Granted, I did have a network of friends that led me to Europe. I'm sure if I moved North or Mid-West I also could have found a white husband.

    When I lived in the USA Asian women were my biggest competitors in life.

    A large portion of my intellect was dedicated to figuring out how to get away from them.

    It was so bad, I remember waking up in my 20s and realizing that all of my Asian gfs had just used me to get into the pants of my white male friends (I'm Catholic, getting into men's pants isn't my thing.)

    That being said, it hasn't turned out well for my Asian gfs.

    Interracial relationships just don't work. The power balance is off.

    I say this as a Catholic who believes that men are head over their wives...

    You can grow together because you are Racial Equals and thus criticize one another in a self-correcting manner without hurt feelings. Being able to criticize someone is really important.

    Healthy white+white marriages both spouses tend to grow and flourish.

    White + Other marriages (even model-minority) someone is always an enabler...There's a reason why the Gay Journalist who put Crystal Meth up his Ass was married to an Asian woman.

    I've never seen an interracial marriage where this wasn't the dynamic, and it stops personal growth and achievement.

    Is this a troll post? I never knew white women would be envious of asian women. Don’t women usually most envy other women who look similar to them but are ultimately prettier?

    Look, according to online dating stats, asian women do the best. But I don’t think it means white men actually prefer asian women. I think it just means asian women are less fat.

    Maybe you carried a few extra pounds is why dudes overlooked you for your asian chick friends?

    • Replies: @Don't Look at Me
    Women in general are insecure about their looks. White women are insecure when there's Asian women around, and vice versa. Black women are VERY insecure (often to the point of violence) when any non-black women are around.
  209. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "They aren’t section 8, but they do all have a percentage of “affordable” apartments (gets them major tax breaks). "

    Different road, same destination. :)

    " Now, that doesn’t make the apartments free or anything close, but they are rented below market value."

    I wonder to what extent is this cost adjustment reflects as an increase in the remaining tenants' rent.

    "So the lower income presence won’t ruin the place, but it definitely comes with its share of small indignities you have to live with. "

    You shouldn't have to live with them. Small encroachments add up to large ones; look at US domestic policy the last 100 years.

    “I wonder to what extent is this cost adjustment reflects as an increase in the remaining tenants’ rent.“

    Market rate apartments will be priced as high as possible by the landlord. Affordable housing set asides are a fixed cost that doesn’t affect rent directly.

    The overall effect of affordable housing set aside requirements are: big gain for the people getting apartments below market, loss to developers who have to pay it, gain to preexisting homeowners and landlords from less competitive market rate units, large overall loss to society due to less efficiency and misollocation of resources.

    Also loss to the environment because the misallocation increases average commutes. The lucky duckies at the subsidized units will rarely move and lose them, even if they gain employment elsewhere in the metro area. People who want to live in them and pay market rate have to instead live elsewhere and on average that will be further away.

  210. @Canadian Observer
    Somewhat on topic – where is the best place in North America for white men to date interracially? NYC? Vancouver? Texas?

    It sure as hell ain’t Toronto. Unless you’re clever and know where to look and don't poison your soul with NPC garbage.

    Detroit.

  211. @Jack D
    I have several friends who are Chinese American. They are educated people with professional or advanced degrees. Some are married to whites and some not, but pretty much uniformly if they were raised in America then the main culture that they identify with is American. Mostly they can't even speak Chinese. They are pretty much indistinguishable in their interests from any other well educated white with their socioeconomic background (mostly their parents were professional people too). I would call them bananas - yellow on the outside, white on the inside. And their kids are even more American if such a thing is possible.

    In the case of mixed race people it really doesn't take long to lose all vestige of connection to the original culture and sometimes even appearance. We have new neighbors. The wife is 1/2 Indian but born and raised in Wisconsin (I think that 40 or 50 years ago there was a smaller South Asian community in America so it was MORE common for Indian men to intermarry). She looks and sounds white (this is surely bolstered by the fact that her clothes, hairstyle, makeup, etc. are all that of a white person), her husband is white and their kids are just ordinary American kids with an exotic grandpa. Recently she described to me the experience of having to go to India with her dad to scatter her grandma's ashes in the Ganges. She described India as being completely horrifying to her, as horrifying as it would be to any good Midwestern girl. You could tell that she was looking at it with American eyes and viewed it as a completely alien place.

    Maybe Mexicans hang onto their culture longer and blacks have no choice but to be seen as black, but I think folks here underestimate how quickly high functioning Asians disappear into elite American society.

    lol she sounds like a real “elite”

  212. @Anonymous

    Paul Morland pointed out in a recent interview that earlier similar fears that the Japanese would soon take over began to grip the US popular imagination right about the same time that Japan’s fertility decline kicked in, which (along with the NY real estate crash) eventually put those fears to rest.
     
    There are 20-fold more Chinese in the world than Japanese.

    There are 20-fold more Chinese in the world than Japanese.

    An important point, but I think it is closer to 10x than 20x.

  213. Anonymous[261] • Disclaimer says:

    I think this guy must live around Flushing and it’s giving a distorted view of NYC. Manhattan is getting overrun with Hispanics with the consequence that their politicians like AOC are climbing the ladder and getting the megaphone.

    Of course if I had to choose between the two I’d rather have his version. At least the Chinese pay their own way and commit lower crime.

  214. @Daniel H
    You might be quite right about the increasing Chinese presence in NYC, and the eventual election of a Chinese mayor. But as for your use of the phrase ‘never again’, any reader of this site should know to never use the word never.

    If the Democrats get one of their own elected President, and he/she signs "comprehensive immigration reform" there is a very good likelihood that America will never again elected a Republican President.

    I was about to mash [AGREE], Daniel, but I ran out, and anyway, what difference does it make if a Red-squad President is elected if he doesn’t do a damn thing to help anyway? Yeah, I’ve got my fingers pointed at you, Trump, ya pussy.

  215. Note: traditionally, Nobel peace prize winners murder unarmed Muslims after receiving the award.

    Brenton Tarrant finds support on China’s internet

    One anonymous post (link in Chinese) on social network WeChat titled “The words on the New Zealand shooter’s guns reflect the deep anxiety of European white men”—a reference to the white supremacy [sic] markings on Tarrant’s rifles, and his grievances over Muslim immigration to western countries—has garnered at least 100,000 views at the time of writing, the maximum number of views on a post displayed by the platform.

    The piece lays blame on Christchurch officials for allowing the construction of mosques, and claimed this resulted in more Muslims coming to the city. It even alleged that the shooting was staged by left-wing politicians.

    Some of the comments under the post suggest that followers of the “green religion“—a sometimes derogatory term often used on the Chinese internet to refer to Islam because of the significance of the color to the faith—brought the attack upon themselves. “The green religion launches terrorist attacks everywhere, and now the attack finally comes to them… Green religion is backwards, stupid, barbaric, and violent,” said one such comment.

    Elsewhere, on social network Weibo, many comments reflected the view that the shooting was a by-product of the West’s excessive political correctness, a perspective that has found increasing support on China’s internet in recent years as part of what’s known as the baizuo, or “white left” movement, a derogatory term used to describe Western progressives that is roughly analogous to the term “social justice warrior.”

    One Weibo user wrote (link in Chinese), “This is a rare act of resistance from a white man. We need to find a way to prolong this and encourage white men to apply for all kinds of honors for the gunman, including a Nobel peace prize.” Another wrote (link in Chinese) that “this so-called ‘darkest day‘ is simply political correctness. A reminder to the greens [note: here Muslims, not Green Party]: not everyone is willing to tolerate your outrageous actions.” The comment was a reference to remarks by New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern, who said the attack would be remembered as one of the country’s darkest days.

    https://qz.com/1575028/new-zealand-shooter-finds-fans-in-islamophobic-corners-of-chinas-internet/

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    I think we need to let these boys run Africa for a century or two.
    , @Anon
    I think the world is big enough for Muslims and non-Muslims to co-exist peacefully, but completely separate from one another. Islam as a religion is simply incompatible with the modern world. It should be totally fine if people want to stay in their conservative sphere, tend to their sheep or camel flock and don't want to live by modern inventions. The West has to a bear at least part of the responsibility for dragging these ragheads into the modern world so that we could get at their oil. The reason ISIS, Al Qaeda etc. exist is because we couldn't stop meddling in their politics, propping up brutal dictators and also because we support Israel.

    I say live and let live, keep the Muslims in their Muslim countries, and leave them the heck alone. Cut off all ties with Israel. All Muslims in the west should either convert to Christianity or move to a Muslim country, and all Jews should convert to Christianity or seek aliyah. While we're at it, all Latinos, Chinese, Indians, Filipinos, Vietnamese, Nigerians and what have you should also return to their home countries. The more people mix and mingle, the more of these shootings will occur. Eventually we will end up with routine massacres, everyone hating on everyone else, such is the peril of diversity. Humans have been tribal for 10,000 years, we're not all going to change in 50 years. It's why God put lions and tigers on separate continents.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    Further down on your link:

    Another indicator of that sentiment is the extraordinary popularity of the Israeli embassy’s account on Weibo, which last year ranked as the foreign mission with the most followers on the social network, according to a study last year by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute. A possible reason for the embassy’s popularity is that its followers in China see its account as an outlet for sharing Islamophobic comments. One of the most liked comments under a Weibo post by the Israeli embassy on the US relocating its embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem was “Put the boot into the cancer of humanity”—a likely reference to Muslims.
     
    Jews of the East, indeed!
  216. @Jack D
    I have several friends who are Chinese American. They are educated people with professional or advanced degrees. Some are married to whites and some not, but pretty much uniformly if they were raised in America then the main culture that they identify with is American. Mostly they can't even speak Chinese. They are pretty much indistinguishable in their interests from any other well educated white with their socioeconomic background (mostly their parents were professional people too). I would call them bananas - yellow on the outside, white on the inside. And their kids are even more American if such a thing is possible.

    In the case of mixed race people it really doesn't take long to lose all vestige of connection to the original culture and sometimes even appearance. We have new neighbors. The wife is 1/2 Indian but born and raised in Wisconsin (I think that 40 or 50 years ago there was a smaller South Asian community in America so it was MORE common for Indian men to intermarry). She looks and sounds white (this is surely bolstered by the fact that her clothes, hairstyle, makeup, etc. are all that of a white person), her husband is white and their kids are just ordinary American kids with an exotic grandpa. Recently she described to me the experience of having to go to India with her dad to scatter her grandma's ashes in the Ganges. She described India as being completely horrifying to her, as horrifying as it would be to any good Midwestern girl. You could tell that she was looking at it with American eyes and viewed it as a completely alien place.

    Maybe Mexicans hang onto their culture longer and blacks have no choice but to be seen as black, but I think folks here underestimate how quickly high functioning Asians disappear into elite American society.

    I would call them bananas – yellow on the outside, white on the inside.

    You are aware of what Twinkie’s username means, right?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    As Mrs. Twinkie says, I have the face of an an Asian, but the soul of a hillbilly. My wife is Hy-Vee and I’m Piggly Wiggly (though, sadly, in this Yankee-occupied upper South where I live today, there isn’t one).
  217. @istevefan
    OT - but if there were ever an MSM article worthy of a Sailer post, it would be this.

    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1107895487770836992

    It boils down to, we must redouble our efforts to convince the white race that its genocide isn’t happening.

    It’s pure evil.

    • Replies: @istevefan

    It boils down to, we must redouble our efforts to convince the white race that its genocide isn’t happening.
     
    I hate to say it, but it seems as though Trump is leading the effort here. Every day he tweets about all the wall being built, and all the winning on the border. Meanwhile, from what little news I can get, it appears the border is more of a disaster today that it has been in many years. It seems like a total breakdown. But talk to Trump diehards and they think he is shutting it down. I suppose he has cut down on refugees which is good. But refugees was never the big driver of demographic change.

    Someone on Twitter coined a new term for TDS, which heretofore has only been known as Trump Derangement Syndrome. He suggested there is a another form of TDS called Trump Delusion Syndrome.
  218. @AnotherDad

    Of course her real competition is the girls not getting pounded by hot guys at bars.
     
    Exactly. It's amazing that many girls can't seem to grasp the obvious--maybe too much Hollyweird media?

    I think more and more young guys have figured it out--don't marry sluts. And the sluts have some sort of job and can never find a guy like the sexyist guy that ever picked them up to marry. So ... marriage rates are cratering.

    Unfortunately, they have to realize the Awful Truth when they’re young and stupid. Because by the time they realize the carousel is slowing down, they’re not young and pretty anymore. I would say at least young and dumb men can establish a career in the meantime and eventually buy a wife, but of course they’re buying used.

    This is what patriarchy is for. To tell dumb girls what to do.

  219. Anonymous[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P
    N.E. Asian men with white wives can produce some very attractive daughters. More so than the more common white male/oriental female from what I've seen. Consequently, I support such pairings for aesthetic reasons -- more beauty is a good thing.

    Said the Asian guy😀

  220. When the Chinese take over, will anyone notice?
    22yo to appear in New Zealand court for having seen and shared a video
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-17/22-year-old-new-zealand-man-appear-court-sharing-mosque-attack-video

    While we suggested earlier that New Zealand authorities could simply be trying to investigate whether [Brenton] Tarrant had online accomplices – it’s clear from the arrest and prosecution of the 22-year-old man that authorities are actively pursuing people who had nothing to do with the attack, for exchanging information.

  221. @Jack D
    I have several friends who are Chinese American. They are educated people with professional or advanced degrees. Some are married to whites and some not, but pretty much uniformly if they were raised in America then the main culture that they identify with is American. Mostly they can't even speak Chinese. They are pretty much indistinguishable in their interests from any other well educated white with their socioeconomic background (mostly their parents were professional people too). I would call them bananas - yellow on the outside, white on the inside. And their kids are even more American if such a thing is possible.

    In the case of mixed race people it really doesn't take long to lose all vestige of connection to the original culture and sometimes even appearance. We have new neighbors. The wife is 1/2 Indian but born and raised in Wisconsin (I think that 40 or 50 years ago there was a smaller South Asian community in America so it was MORE common for Indian men to intermarry). She looks and sounds white (this is surely bolstered by the fact that her clothes, hairstyle, makeup, etc. are all that of a white person), her husband is white and their kids are just ordinary American kids with an exotic grandpa. Recently she described to me the experience of having to go to India with her dad to scatter her grandma's ashes in the Ganges. She described India as being completely horrifying to her, as horrifying as it would be to any good Midwestern girl. You could tell that she was looking at it with American eyes and viewed it as a completely alien place.

    Maybe Mexicans hang onto their culture longer and blacks have no choice but to be seen as black, but I think folks here underestimate how quickly high functioning Asians disappear into elite American society.

    Sorry for all the moderation work, Steve, but lots of the comments are damn interesting. Jack D, all that you say is true, but ONLY FOR SMALL NUMBERS. That Chinatown in Queens contains maybe hundred thousand Chinese people. Except for seeing lots more American-made vehicles, one could picture himself IN china while in this nieghborhood. Lots of the people there will hang out with and marry each other, unless they are big-shot Manhattan lawyers and such, but most of them are not.

    I think all the school kids will learn English because they have to and it helps with finding a job… elsewhere. Within these concessions areas of Chinese people all over America, no one will need to assimilate anymore.

    Assimilation only works with small numbers, in which case it is exactly as you stated.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Except for seeing lots more American-made vehicles, one could picture himself IN china while in this nieghborhood.
     
    The best-selling make in China is Buick. Made there, of course.
  222. @AaronB
    This commenter is having you on.

    I live in NY. Outside Flushing and Chinatown you see few Chinese. Williamsburg, the hippest area in town, is incredibly white, as is most of the trendy Brooklyn hoods like Park Slope, Cobble Hill, etc.

    Rare to see Asians there. Even rarer are Asian-white couples. I often remark that at the trendy bars and clubs in Brooklyn or Soho or LES, its nearly all white, with maybe a sprinkling of Asians, unlike the West Coast. I think Asians frequent the hip-hop clubs in Manhattan - I wouldn't know as I never go to these places, but I sometimes see them standing on lines.

    Chinese in NY often tend to much lower class than the West Coast also. Really a completely different element.

    Unlike the West Coast, NY is remarkably white and non-Asian.

    I think there is emerging a new syndrome among certain white people - Chinese derangement syndrome.

    Mid- and South Brooklyn are heavy heavy Asian, and their presence in Queens extends well beyond Flushing. At least in Asian nabes you feel safe and get good produce markets, while blacks sit around complaining about “food deserts.”

    One odd thing down in Bay Ridge is the stretch that has turned Muslim — hookah bars and so on.

  223. @Reg Cæsar

    They didn’t have the machine or union affiliations of northern Democrats and commonly had somewhat tony backgrounds.
     
    There was a guy who called himself and his fellows "liberal" in my GOP caucus 30 years ago. He had a very negative view of the unions, though. He'd get one of their endorsement cards just to see whom to vote against. City and county offices were non-partisan, so you couldn't vote "straight ticket".

    No place in American ever had much in the way of ‘left-wing’ Republicans.
     
    Nelson Rockefeller and Lowell Weicker are just about the only Republicans I'd place to the left of Hitler. Maybe the Chafees, but they're Democrats now. As are the Rockefellers.

    Nelson Rockefeller and Lowell Weicker are just about the only Republicans I’d place to the left of Hitler.

    Please don’t forget the execrable John Vliet Lindsay, so-called “Maverick” liberal Republican Congressman and then contemptible Mayor of NYC who eventually turned Democrat. His name is synonymous with “white flight” during his atrocious tenure as NYC mayor.

    Plus that filthy creep gave Florence Henderson (aka Mrs. Brady) a terrible case of crabs after a one-night stand.

  224. @Canadian Observer
    Somewhat on topic – where is the best place in North America for white men to date interracially? NYC? Vancouver? Texas?

    It sure as hell ain’t Toronto. Unless you’re clever and know where to look and don't poison your soul with NPC garbage.

    Somewhat on topic – where is the best place in North America for white men to date interracially? NYC? Vancouver? Texas?

    You’re delusional or you’re a soy boy. Here’s what you should do: lift weights and eat meat, and return to this thought 1 year from now. See how you feel then.

  225. @Daniel H
    I live in NY. Outside Flushing and Chinatown you see few Chinese.

    I've lived most of my life in New York too, and you are so wrong dude. Peterike is right. Chinese are EVERYWHERE in New York. Park Slop? Maybe not overwhelmed (yet), but just travel a few blocks south along 3, 4, 5, 6 avenues to Sunset Park. A Brooklyn chinatown. The Chinese are even squeezing the Guidos out of Bensonhurst. You've got to get out more (anyway, what are you doing hanging around Williamsburg? It's a SWPL Potemkin village, if there ever was one).

    And this White male/Chinese female thing. Chinese don't act out, but there is simmering rage over this. Though, told to me by an Asian business partner, most Asian men consider white men who mate up with Asian women to be losers. They can't get a white girl, so they choose a lower status Asian women, notwithstanding beauty and intelligence. Asian men are honest in their assessment of social ranking. They frankly acknowledge that the USA is a white country (for the time) and only a loser white man would go for the second rate.

    And this White male/Chinese female thing. Chinese don’t act out, but there is simmering rage over this. Though, told to me by an Asian business partner, most Asian men consider white men who mate up with Asian women to be losers.

    Which gives them something in common with white men. And white women.

  226. @Mike Zwick
    Chicago's Chinatown has spilled out into Bridgeport and surrounding neighborhoods.

    I lived in Bridgeport before my current location, and your statement is mostly true – they haven’t really gone east into Bronzeville. I wonder why???

    • Replies: @Mike Zwick
    If they did, they could get some good lakefront property and probably avoid the big stink about gentrifying the historic center of black culture in Chicago that whites would get if they tried the same thing. They could turn around and sell it for a huge profit or get some of the Chinese investors, who are currently investing in several big real estate developments in Chicago, to invest in redeveloping the area.
  227. Hail says: • Website
    @nebulafox
    Briefly coming out of comment retirement...

    This is more or less the same dynamic I've observed with the myriad hapas I knew growing up and in college. Even the Indians-who tend to be far more racially exclusive than Chinese or other East Asians-have "coconut" kids within a generation. America's old assimilation pull isn't fully dead yet, not for lack of progressive trying: or perhaps more tellingly, because upper-middle class liberals do not take the medicine they prescribe to the proles.

    Since I'm pretty much the walking profile of the socially maladjusted white geek who tends to end up with Asian women for reasons ranging from proximity to better cultural fit to hypergamy, I'm looking at the future, I guess. Asians really are the 21st Century Jews. Not a complete mapping, but if you look at the Bronx School of Science these days...

    >Maybe Mexicans hang onto their culture longer and blacks have no choice but to be seen as black, but I think folks here underestimate how quickly high functioning Asians disappear into elite American society.

    Nah, I think with different parameters-selecting for higher skilled immigrants, America of the WWII or Cold War era rather than America today-they'd melt in reasonably quickly-maybe not as quickly as high-functioning Asians, but quickly enough. Mexicans actually strike me as being roughly analogous to Malays, not just in terms of the laid-back culture and the kickass food. Unlike blacks, as long as the numbers are modest and the societal guidelines are firm, they can be reasonably functional in a country dominated by whites or Chinese, respectively. They won't be winning Nobel Prizes, but they'll have stable family units, jobs, and the occasional batch of future bourgeois kids. But if they end up dominating the country, however, things quickly go to hell.

    The big difference is, of course, the religious factor, especially after 1979 and the resulting wave of religious conservatism in Southeast Asia. Islam flat-out prohibits Malay women from marrying non-Muslim men, making full-on assimilation and racial mixing impossible, which is why you see messes like Malaysia's current racial politics. If a Malay woman (usually a relatively secular and upwardly mobile one who grew up seeing daily how Malay men treat their wives and wants no part of that) wants to marry a non-Muslim man, she's going to have to leave the country to do so, at the very best. Hispanics have no such prohibitions. White male/Hispanic female marriage is quite common these days in places like rural Texas, and the kids more or less fully identify as white with exotic maternal grandparents. Of course, that's an optimal scenario. Go to California, and while you still see intermarriage, it usually goes the other way around: the white husband assimilates to Hispanic culture, and the kids grow up thinking of themselves as "Hispanic", however white they might look.

    (On the other hand, Islam's draconian social code arguably prevents Malays and Indonesians from obeying their worst impulses, a la the Filipinos, so it is a mixed bag. Indonesia's not China, or even Thailand, but neither is it the Philippines or Bangladesh-and without bumi laws, Indonesians, along with Singaporean Malays, are a lot more diligent and hard-working than their Malaysian Malay counterparts.)

    Asians really are the 21st Century Jews

    I believe the Overseas Chinese were first bestowed with the moniker the “Jews of the East,” by no less than the Thai King in the early 20th century.

    It fit then — and it fits now, broadly speaking. Now that they are here, it applies to North America (and to poor Australia, who, on current trajectory, will fall to the Chinese sooner than NYC will).

    There are a couple of important differences. The most obvious is numbers. The second most obvious is that the ’21st Century Jews’ have an upcoming superpower on their side, one which doesn’t require a suffocatingly dominant China Lobby in Washington or control of the U.S. media, etc., to perpetuate itself.

    Finally I’d like to note a similarity: Both the classic Jews and the ’21st Century Jews’ have a fair number willing stooges among our people (White Christians, the core and founding stock of the most successful societies on the planet). Unz Review columnist Godfree Roberts is one of the latter, a rather transparent China stooge. More than a few commenters upthread here are not far behind Godfree ‘Pied Piper’ Roberts.

    • Replies: @Lot
    “Unz Review columnist Godfree Roberts is one of the latter, a rather transparent China stooge.”

    Unz Review aims to have apologists for all the top falsely accused of genocidal dictators.

    Hitler: Ron Unz
    Pol Pot: Israel Shamir
    Stalin: Saker
    Mao: Roberts

    I think the Idi Amin spot is still open.

    http://howafrica.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Idi-Amin-Dada.jpg
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Ha, Godfree Roberts and his unz commie-commenting-cadres. He's been pretty polite to me, I've gotta admit, even after I've called him, multiple times, a Chairman Mao sack-hanger. (Can you be a sack-hanger when the guy's dead? Somebody help me out here, Godfree?)
  228. @SunBakedSuburb
    Absolutely. Turn Harlem into a theme park and send the POC intelligentsia packing!
  229. @J.Ross
    It's all orderly queues and quiet libraries until their kids grow up with the Han equivalent of Westoxification and they embrace destructive leftism as an identity.

    Orderly lines?? Maybe that get that from American culture and are decent enough to fit in, but a Chinaman standing in line gets no steamed bread” – Alfred E. Confucius.

  230. @Hail

    If all those Chinese are mixing with white men, you don’t have Chinese offspring (nor white offspring).
     
    The era of reckless, WhiteMale-AsianFemale miscegenation -- a giant, racial-sexual ponzi scheme -- may just be a passing trend.* Future generations could well look back on this era and wince at the relatively reckless levels of miscegenation, understanding that it was symbolic of something being not quite right in society.

    (Many commenters in this thread have identified parts of the unhealthiness of this phenomenon, though a fairly large fraction are themselves partakers.)

    It's probably worth saying that it's not the 'fault' of the children of such unions. It does seem likely that a 'Eurasian' racial category will emerge in earnest, before the pendulum returns its swing towards racial integrity as something valuable.

    Some of these people like to call themselves "Hapa." We may be just on the cusp of the Hapa ethnogenesis right now.

    __________

    * - Other examples of past racial-sexual trends that have turned: White Male -Amerindian Female pairings, once common in some parts of North America, are it seems today a lot less common in relative terms; White Male - Black Female pairings are, today, close to 0% if one liberally rounds down, and yet not so many generations ago we saw a huge number of such pairings on many Southern plantations. And then there is White Male - EastAsian Female, itself rare when the Chinese were making their first takeover attempt at the end of the 19th century (until the Chinese Exclusion Act secured the West Coast for European Mankind for another century and a half or more). Likewise, the White Protestant missionary families who had sons and daughters in East Asia, the child generation almost always married White, despite being surrounded on all sides by racially-local girls, this was not a 'thing' at the time.

    “The era of reckless, WhiteMale-AsianFemale miscegenation — a giant, racial-sexual ponzi scheme — may just be a passing trend.“

    “The Roundeyes Know, Shut It Down.”

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  231. @peterike

    3) If all those Chinese are mixing with white men, you don’t have Chinese offspring (nor white offspring).

     

    At the level of "look at that cute baby!" every mix I've seen registers as Chinese. Sometimes as they age they do take on a weird mixed look, but these children rarely pass for white, far as I can tell. They are obviously at least part Asian. And of course the SJW types among them will always associate with their Asian half and happily scream about "white privilege."

    However, I'm very curious about the attitudes about this among the Chinese. It seems deracinated American whites don't bat an eye about race mixing. No SWPL white feels grief that their grand-child is half Asian. But what do the Chinese feel about it?

    It doesn't seem like much parental authority is being spent on keeping their daughters away from white men. Because it's not working. Is Daddy Chang upset that his daughter is totting around a white or Jewish boyfriend? Or do they just see it as a clever business transaction?

    At the level of “look at that cute baby!” every mix I’ve seen registers as Chinese.

    My experience (White male, East Asian wife, litter of mongrel pups), this is true … for whites. For Asians, it’s just the opposite — mixed kids register as white, or at the very least, obviously not Asian. Universally, they register as cute, though, because they are. And I’m not just being a proud papa talking about my own kids, the Asian-white mix is basically nature’s photo-shop, it’s God using the blur feature.

    I agree with the other white dad on here, the mix tends to work out better for the girls. But I think physical stature is the bigger problem for guys, rather than physical appearance. Look at Dean Cain or Daniel Henney – both 6 feet plus, both athletic and look like they spend time in the gym, so even though both (especially Henney) are also obviously part Asian, they are Hollywood action stars/sex symbols.

  232. @Stick
    When was the last time Americans considered NY City an American city?

    Maybe 9/11

  233. @Hail

    Asians really are the 21st Century Jews
     
    I believe the Overseas Chinese were first bestowed with the moniker the "Jews of the East," by no less than the Thai King in the early 20th century.

    It fit then -- and it fits now, broadly speaking. Now that they are here, it applies to North America (and to poor Australia, who, on current trajectory, will fall to the Chinese sooner than NYC will).

    There are a couple of important differences. The most obvious is numbers. The second most obvious is that the '21st Century Jews' have an upcoming superpower on their side, one which doesn't require a suffocatingly dominant China Lobby in Washington or control of the U.S. media, etc., to perpetuate itself.

    Finally I'd like to note a similarity: Both the classic Jews and the '21st Century Jews' have a fair number willing stooges among our people (White Christians, the core and founding stock of the most successful societies on the planet). Unz Review columnist Godfree Roberts is one of the latter, a rather transparent China stooge. More than a few commenters upthread here are not far behind Godfree 'Pied Piper' Roberts.

    “Unz Review columnist Godfree Roberts is one of the latter, a rather transparent China stooge.”

    Unz Review aims to have apologists for all the top falsely accused of genocidal dictators.

    Hitler: Ron Unz
    Pol Pot: Israel Shamir
    Stalin: Saker
    Mao: Roberts

    I think the Idi Amin spot is still open.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  234. @Twinkie

    Although, the influx of Hong Kong Chinese into Vancouver B.C. has made that beautiful city unaffordable for the natives.
     
    That also happened because lots of natives decided get rich off the influx.

    Yup. And now Vancouver has a lot of pricey glass box condos.

  235. @Jack D
    I have several friends who are Chinese American. They are educated people with professional or advanced degrees. Some are married to whites and some not, but pretty much uniformly if they were raised in America then the main culture that they identify with is American. Mostly they can't even speak Chinese. They are pretty much indistinguishable in their interests from any other well educated white with their socioeconomic background (mostly their parents were professional people too). I would call them bananas - yellow on the outside, white on the inside. And their kids are even more American if such a thing is possible.

    In the case of mixed race people it really doesn't take long to lose all vestige of connection to the original culture and sometimes even appearance. We have new neighbors. The wife is 1/2 Indian but born and raised in Wisconsin (I think that 40 or 50 years ago there was a smaller South Asian community in America so it was MORE common for Indian men to intermarry). She looks and sounds white (this is surely bolstered by the fact that her clothes, hairstyle, makeup, etc. are all that of a white person), her husband is white and their kids are just ordinary American kids with an exotic grandpa. Recently she described to me the experience of having to go to India with her dad to scatter her grandma's ashes in the Ganges. She described India as being completely horrifying to her, as horrifying as it would be to any good Midwestern girl. You could tell that she was looking at it with American eyes and viewed it as a completely alien place.

    Maybe Mexicans hang onto their culture longer and blacks have no choice but to be seen as black, but I think folks here underestimate how quickly high functioning Asians disappear into elite American society.

    Maybe Mexicans hang onto their culture longer and blacks have no choice but to be seen as black, but I think folks here underestimate how quickly high functioning Asians disappear into elite American society.

    How many times has Steve said that assimilation is impossible when the immigration spigot is not turned off? I don’t know, but it’s a lot, and every time he said it he was right.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Depends what you mean by elite.

    The more there are the less they assimilate. With the continuing mass immigration, Chinese culture, good and bad is continually reinforced

    Census says Asians are about 35 percent of population of San Francisco. Given the fact that Chinese are inherently suspicious of government and don’t fill out census forms, it’s very likely the percentage is much higher The ones who do answer the census are probably citizens who can vote.

    But every election, San Francisco votes in Mayors Sheriff’s DAs Public defenders and county supervisors who are extremely radical in every issue. Especially trans gender, liberal criminal justice and general insanity. Nancy Pelosi is the Congress critter from San Francisco. Gavin Newsom was Mator is now governor and is being groomed for President or at least Senator or Congress critter forever. He’ll probably inherit Feinstein’s or Pelosi’s forever seats if they ever die.

    Note that Newton preformed city hall gay marriages before they were legal and even after a state referendum made gay marriage illegal

    Chesa Boudin. Son of radical weather ground black panther Kathy Boudin, raised by Bill Ayers because Kathy was in prison for murder; is running for district attorney on a platform of even more leniency. grandfather was Leonard Boudin, attorney for the CPUSA back in the day and one of the attorneys Oswald wanted to call after he was arrested.

    San Francisco elected officials have been crazy radicals since the late 1960s. Alioto was the last not insane mayor. He left office in 76. Kamala Harris’ district attorney predecessor was Terence Hallinan 3 rd generation proud communist. He ran on a platform of
    “charge no disadvantaged minorities”
    Soon after taking office he fired most of the DAs and brought in radicals.

    The only reason San Francisco is fairly low street crime is because the black population is so low.
    So; if Chinese are so conservative, law abiding, hard working etc, why has Chinese San Francisco been electing crazy radicals to local state and national office for the last 50 years? ????

    Chinese immigration and crowded housing is what causes the homeless problem in San Francisco. There’s no way Americans can compete with Chinese culture custom of crowding 25 people in a 1,000 sq ft house.

    Had the conservative natural republican Chinese not sat home or voted against the radicals the city wouldn’t be so insane and America wouldn’t have 3 radical women in congress. When they vote, they bloc vote democrat.
    There was an anti affirmative action referendum in California in 1996. The referendum won. Asians voted against the referendum in favor of affirmative action

    Last but not least for all you fuddy duddy conservatives China has the highest abortion rate in the world and Chinese have always enthusiastically practiced post birth abortion aka female infantacide. Asian prostitutes and pimps aren’t out in the street stopping cars and accosting men in supermarket parking lots like the blacks, but there are thousands of massage salons in San Francisco filled with slave girls brought over in shipping containers, unloaded at the old hunters point shipyards and bussed to their new owners.

    So much for strong family values.

    There are 2 good things about Asian immigrants.

    1 They’re not blacks.
    2 They like fresh fish and refuse to pay high prices so reasonable cost fresh fish is available.
  236. @Hail

    Asians really are the 21st Century Jews
     
    I believe the Overseas Chinese were first bestowed with the moniker the "Jews of the East," by no less than the Thai King in the early 20th century.

    It fit then -- and it fits now, broadly speaking. Now that they are here, it applies to North America (and to poor Australia, who, on current trajectory, will fall to the Chinese sooner than NYC will).

    There are a couple of important differences. The most obvious is numbers. The second most obvious is that the '21st Century Jews' have an upcoming superpower on their side, one which doesn't require a suffocatingly dominant China Lobby in Washington or control of the U.S. media, etc., to perpetuate itself.

    Finally I'd like to note a similarity: Both the classic Jews and the '21st Century Jews' have a fair number willing stooges among our people (White Christians, the core and founding stock of the most successful societies on the planet). Unz Review columnist Godfree Roberts is one of the latter, a rather transparent China stooge. More than a few commenters upthread here are not far behind Godfree 'Pied Piper' Roberts.

    Ha, Godfree Roberts and his unz commie-commenting-cadres. He’s been pretty polite to me, I’ve gotta admit, even after I’ve called him, multiple times, a Chairman Mao sack-hanger. (Can you be a sack-hanger when the guy’s dead? Somebody help me out here, Godfree?)

  237. @Daniel H
    Chinatown architecture in New York. One sees this pattern all over Queen now.


    https://forgotten-ny.com/wp-content/gallery/streetscenes_queenscrappiest_07/23-newcrap.jpg

    https://forgotten-ny.com/wp-content/gallery/streetscenes_queenscrappiest_09/24-1000-welcomes.jpg

    Daniel. What’s with the door grills? I see those in the Buffalo inner city. Is that neighborhood sketchy?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    In Philly a lot of older rowhouses have front porches and the in thing in the Puerto Rican ghetto is to enclose the entire porch with a cage of metal bars. I guess it reminds the occupants of jail, where they spend most of their time.

    https://www.philly.com/resizer/arw6_LRWIoHImHGLX9Ln0n3MX24=/1400x0/center/middle/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-pmn.s3.amazonaws.com/public/RJEU4PMOMJCK3DR5TDLH7WUTNI.jpg

    , @Daniel H
    What’s with the door grills? I see those in the Buffalo inner city. Is that neighborhood sketchy?

    The neighborhood, Flushing, is actually not dangerous, but it does have an overall sleazy, mercantile feel to it. A white man wouldn't want to live there anymore. Nevertheless, just check Zillow for what sellers are demanding for their houses. Million plus for a house sharing a street with an undisguised brothel. $700 k for a dingy, one bedroom apartment in an aging apartment block. NYC is absurd, and, in my opinion, there is very little charm to living in NYC anymore. Just a constant grind.
    , @Foreign Expert
    People from low trust societies assume anyone not from their family is a potential criminal. This is true even in Japan, where the crime rate is near zero. You see bars on first floor windows.
    , @Kaganovitch
    I've noticed in Sunset Park , too(Brooklyn Chinese neighborhood next to Jewish neighborhood I grew up in). S.P. is perfectly safe. It must be a Chinese " thing". Lots of stainless steel bright grill work and doors.
    , @CJ
    In Vancouver those things keep the “homeless” from sleeping in doorways along Pender Street.
  238. @Canadian Observer
    Somewhat on topic – where is the best place in North America for white men to date interracially? NYC? Vancouver? Texas?

    It sure as hell ain’t Toronto. Unless you’re clever and know where to look and don't poison your soul with NPC garbage.

    Anywhere in California

  239. @Hail

    That’s why i expect my [half White, half Chinese] son to one day marry an Asian girl
     

    I would bet my daughter will one day marry a white guy.
     
    What you are describing is really a racial 'Ponzi Scheme'.

    Consider how the classic ponzi scheme works. The system of race-driven romantic "White Male, East Asian Female" pairings you (and many others) have identified is, in essence, the same. In this racial-sexual ponzi scheme, an endless supply of 'pure Asians' and 'pure Whites' is required to prop up the miscegenationist gravy train, including as partners for the mixed-race offspring in Generation 2 (and presumably beyond).

    A system of romantic pairings that is effectively a giant racial ponzi scheme is, to say the least, highly unhealthy.

    Remember that Ponzi schemes always fall apart. They never end happily.

    What damage is to be done before this one unravels?

    ” … the miscegenationist gravy train …”

    If that train is full of Asian beauties with long black hair I’m buying a ticket. I figure it this way: a Chinese woman’s brain will compensate for my Irish one.

  240. @Daniel H
    You might be quite right about the increasing Chinese presence in NYC, and the eventual election of a Chinese mayor. But as for your use of the phrase ‘never again’, any reader of this site should know to never use the word never.

    If the Democrats get one of their own elected President, and he/she signs "comprehensive immigration reform" there is a very good likelihood that America will never again elected a Republican President.

    If the Democrats get one of their own elected President, and he/she signs “comprehensive immigration reform” there is a very good likelihood that America will never again elected a Republican President.

    That certainly sounds plausible in 2019. However, I’d bet on the GOP transforming itself into something unrecognizable to us today and being competitive eventually. Of course if that does happen, then it is effectively the same as your statement about never having a Republican president again since Republican at that time will mean something totally different.

    I might add that already many of us feel this has already happened. Because the GOP of today sure doesn’t seem like it used to be. When Clinton was elected in 1992, one of the first things he did was try to end the ban on gays in the military. The GOP put up a fight and it eventually became ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’. Today’s GOP has accepted the both repeal of DADT and the ending of the ban. Additionally they have not seemed too bothered over trannies-in-the-military, or women-in-the-infantry as those policies still seem to stand.

    So count on the GOP morphing even more in the future. After all the GOP is the party of conservatives. And the only thing they ever conserve is their cushy positions.

  241. anon[166] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Difference between Chinese and Indians is that Indians prefer cousin marriage - Chinese culturally understand cousin marriage is bad. Over time this is why the Indians stay in the caste they started in.

    When you look at Vancouver the Chinese have not really contributed much to Canada. As a Canadian it is always funny to read how in the US the Indians and Chinese are sooooo much smarter than whites. I think it is because the Asians who go to the USA self select and you get the ones that want to study hard. Come to Vancouver and I can show you lots of stupid Asians. At least with blacks the schools get decent sports teams.

    Dot Indian, Pakistani, Sri Lankan, or Chinese, their ideal is a Public Service job.
    They can’t compete with Whites in private practice in the Professions, because they’re not smart enough, and they don’t have any integrity.
    They either exploit their countrymen through sweatshop labour, or they destroy the Public Service through nepotism and incompetence.

  242. careful when you walk under that highrise in queens, you might get hit by a Chinese loogey!

  243. @jb
    Even if population is collapsing in China it will still be hundreds of millions, and that will still be vastly more than enough to inflate the Chinese population in NYC.

    I actually don't have a huge problem with the Chinese. I guess I'm with John Derbyshire on this one -- I see them as high performing Arctic Eurasians, and a cousin population to white Europeans. The real problem for America (and the world) is the continuing explosion of deeply diverged and low-performing sub-Saharan Africans populations, which have become hugely successful in Darwinian terms as a direct consequence of their dismal failure in civilizational terms. Talk about rewarding failure!

    I’ve spent a lot of time around Chinese in school and in California. I agree overall that the genetics are fairly good. I honestly don’t think twice when working / socializing with a Chinese ethnic who’s grown up in the U.S.

    However, in Silicon Valley I discovered that there’s a certain threshold of mainland Chinese, maybe over 20-25%, where culturally they revert to their Chinese origins. That’s a competitive, grubbing culture that’s not fun at all to be around. So my abiding hope is that Chinese immigration remains at a level low enough that the newcomers can be socialized to someplace near, but not quite as extreme as our own brand of white degeneracy.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    However, in Silicon Valley I discovered that there’s a certain threshold of mainland Chinese, maybe over 20-25%, where culturally they revert to their Chinese origins.
     
    That's true of every nationality on the planet. The first ones here are good, the last ones awful. A solid argument for keeping total immigration numbers down, as well as quotas on cultures. Not countries, but mother tongues.

    Actually, both. Some languages-- eg Spanish, Arabic-- are spread over many countries. Other countries-- eg Nigeria, South Africa, Kenya, India, Russia-- are spread over many languages.

    So have a double-quota system. Strict limits on both.

  244. What? Yellow Dawn (Murdoch Murdoch) is a documentary not a paradody? Life’s a comedy!

  245. @Anon
    Difference between Chinese and Indians is that Indians prefer cousin marriage - Chinese culturally understand cousin marriage is bad. Over time this is why the Indians stay in the caste they started in.

    When you look at Vancouver the Chinese have not really contributed much to Canada. As a Canadian it is always funny to read how in the US the Indians and Chinese are sooooo much smarter than whites. I think it is because the Asians who go to the USA self select and you get the ones that want to study hard. Come to Vancouver and I can show you lots of stupid Asians. At least with blacks the schools get decent sports teams.

    >Come to Vancouver and I can show you lots of stupid Asians. At least with blacks the schools get decent sports teams.

    lol. Ohhhkayyyy. Somebody has evidently never experienced the wonders of enrichment from truly large-scale NAM diversity.

    Decrying mere drab mediocrity. Oh the horrors!

  246. The highly educated leading lights of the journalism profession at the New York Times:
    It Wasn’t Just Khaashaqji, A Saudi Prince’s Brutal Drive to Crush Dissent
    In Saudi Arabia, which, prior to the coming of MbS, was widely noted for its coddling of dissenters.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/17/world/middleeast/khashoggi-crown-prince-saudi.html

  247. @ben tillman
    It boils down to, we must redouble our efforts to convince the white race that its genocide isn't happening.

    It's pure evil.

    It boils down to, we must redouble our efforts to convince the white race that its genocide isn’t happening.

    I hate to say it, but it seems as though Trump is leading the effort here. Every day he tweets about all the wall being built, and all the winning on the border. Meanwhile, from what little news I can get, it appears the border is more of a disaster today that it has been in many years. It seems like a total breakdown. But talk to Trump diehards and they think he is shutting it down. I suppose he has cut down on refugees which is good. But refugees was never the big driver of demographic change.

    Someone on Twitter coined a new term for TDS, which heretofore has only been known as Trump Derangement Syndrome. He suggested there is a another form of TDS called Trump Delusion Syndrome.

    • Replies: @Hail

    it appears the border is more of a disaster today that it has been in many years
     
    We (re-)learned a lesson people have had to learn and learn again, down thru the ages:

    Don't trust a demagogue. (Or a reality-tv star.)

    Solid Ideas and moral seriousness > Flashy personality and 'trolling.'

  248. @nglaer
    I doubt this, but it's a better scenario than a lot of other ethnic transformation possibilities

    Better for whom? Not for Americans.

    • Replies: @Hail
    Better for the kind of personality immortalized by Kent Brockman in the 1990s:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4jWAwUb63c

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_c13pZcD3kw8/TEV6t8rIBlI/AAAAAAAAAME/BPTUSxjEaE0/s1600/ants.jpg
  249. @Jamie_NYC
    Let me tell you something about these topics (I’m married to a Chinese woman and we have two kids):

    - the kids definitely do not look Chinese (nor do they look white). Boys tend to look kind of mixed, not very masculine facial features. That’s why i expect my son to one day marry an Asian girl. The girls can be very, very beautiful, by universal acclaim. I would bet my daughter will one day marry a white guy.

    - Chinese don’t seem to mind mixed marriages. It’s as if they only care about gene propagation. In Eastern Europe, Chinese couples give their children local names, kids learn the local language, etc. How young Chinese men feel when they see mixed couples (white guy, Asian girl) I can only guess.

    In Eastern Europe, Chinese couples give their children local names

    I think it is Chinese practice pretty much everywhere to give their kids local first names to be written in Roman letters. They also have Chinese names as well, which are used within the family. This is not unlike what most Jews do nowadays, aside from the ultra- Orthodox. Indians usually give their kids only Indian names which they transliterate and use as the English names also.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    That used to be the case in Canada. It's changing now. The Flight from Anglo?
    , @Clyde

    I think it is Chinese practice pretty much everywhere to give their kids local first names to be written in Roman letters. They also have Chinese names as well, which are used within the family.
     
    Incorrect. That was the old days when you went to Danny Chang's restaurant. Today you have Chinese and Hindu reconquistas who have 100% Chinese and Hindu names. My estimate is that Chinese go 50/50 in America as far as giving their children Anglo first names or Chinese first names. Their favorite Anglo name for their girls is Vanessa which I like.
    , @J.Ross
    It's really only the mestizos and Muslims who honestly expect everyone else to already know their language.
  250. @JimB
    The first Chinese mayor will move his office from Gracie mansion to the back room of a greasy chop suey joint in Chinatown, and the Triad will take over where the Mafia left off.

    No, he’ll install triple bunk beds in every room and rent out the beds to 250 immigrants.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    LOL - Good one! (It's funny, cause it's true ...)
    , @JimB
    That’s what he will do with Gracie mansion since he will be conducting his business in Greasy mansion.
  251. @Anonymous
    If might be a pointer, but the USA's legacy Japanese population, which arrived in the early 20th century, has more or less vanished - blended into the mass of American whites by rates of intermarriage greater than 50%.

    That’s interesting. The only Japanese people I know are in mixed marriages (with whites). Shoot, the more I think about it the more I come up with.

    Many couples. Several kids with mixed parents.

    Are the Japanese even attracted to each other any more?

    • Replies: @Anon
    I know of several Japanese men who are married to Chinese or Korean women. Japanese immigration is down to a trickle. There are only about 800k Japanese left in the US, many are mixed. I supposed finding another Japanese American to marry, one who shares your same interests and values, is like finding a needle in a haystack at this point. And when they finally do find one, it's like marrying your own sibling/cousin. I suspect that's why intermarriage rate is so high for Asians. But I do know of well assimilated Asians who prefer to marry other Asians because of shared heritage.
  252. @Buffalo Joe
    Daniel. What's with the door grills? I see those in the Buffalo inner city. Is that neighborhood sketchy?

    In Philly a lot of older rowhouses have front porches and the in thing in the Puerto Rican ghetto is to enclose the entire porch with a cage of metal bars. I guess it reminds the occupants of jail, where they spend most of their time.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    Social trust, or the lack thereof, makes all the difference.
    , @istevefan
    That is sad seeing what the new citizenry has done to those fine homes. Those bars weren't necessary for the original buyers. I had grandparents who lived in a row house in one of Philly's neighborhoods. From the old photos they seemed very nice. But the relatives were white-flighted out. Later in life I had the chance to visit. It's a f*cking dump now.

    I guess in a way that helped shape my current views.

    , @Lagertha
    This scared me in 1969 in NYC. I thought my parents brought me to a shithole country - I was not wrong, even at 7. USA has become a shithole country...at least, at the coasts and Chicago/Min/Detroit (always reminded me of detritus) - enuf said for one night.
    , @Alden
    Many older California houses are the bungalow and Victorian type with front porches. In black neighborhoods it’s the same thing. The entire porch enclosed in bars.

    It’s sad to take the freeway through Oakland and look down on all those beautiful old houses covered in bars.

    And they complain when police arrrst black criminals and complain when black criminals run amuck.
    , @Alden
    RAt least they don’t have deranged pit bulls and shepherds in the yards

    I just love those city row houses. Best floor plan ever and adaptable to any size, from 2 bedroom to 10 rooms Is that a PR flag?

    , @Anonymous
    Reminds me more of a zoo than a jail.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Here's the thing about those burglar bars that I noted in China, Jack. See, burglars there are not your highly-impulsive semi-morons you've got here. In China they will get up to a window, and spray chemicals to knock you out, the grab stuff with certain ingenious mechanisms. NO, we are not sending our best burglars to the burbs to steal shit.

    OK, I was pretty damn impressed with the work ethic and lack of anything resembling an OSHA, as Chinamen were welding these bars together right outside their shops on the wide sidewalk. I guess business was good, they were running out of room, and it's probably a little bit better ventilation-wise. You had to step around the structures or even through them to get by.

    Then, I thought about this. In the cities, 8 to 25 story high-rises are going up like Mao's 1,000 flowers, in every city. Once the 1st story residents (or it may be stores, but same idea) get their burglar bars, well, that just makes it way easier for the burglars to climb up to the next story via these bars. (Yes, I could do it, right now.) That means everyone on the 2nd story has to get them, or more like, whoever lives in an apartment above (or maybe above OR above AND one apt. left/right of) a place with these bars had better get his own set.

    Bidness is brisk, baby! In fact, were I one of those conspiracy nuts, I'd be pretty sure that some of these burglar-bar manufacturers have their own burglars on contract - not only does it encourage les others, but these burglars could probably steal more screwdrivers and maybe get lucky and steal some welding supplies. It's a win/win!
  253. @Jack D

    My birthright as an American was supposed to not have to live like an Asian.
     
    Actually your birthright (at least if you were from a city) was to live in a dense ethnically cohesive neighborhood where there was tremendous social capital and a support network. Atomizing all the white people out to the distant anonymous suburbs was good for General Motors and shopping center developers, not so good for the society.

    Atomizing all the white people out to the distant anonymous suburbs…

    I’d say you are making an orthogonal point. Ethnic support groups are not population-density dependent.

    Small towns; rural ag communities; suburbs back in the day were plenty supportive. Surveys of western Indian reservations often list the supportive community as a key feature.

    “Bowling Alone” hit across the board.

  254. @Buffalo Joe
    Daniel. What's with the door grills? I see those in the Buffalo inner city. Is that neighborhood sketchy?

    What’s with the door grills? I see those in the Buffalo inner city. Is that neighborhood sketchy?

    The neighborhood, Flushing, is actually not dangerous, but it does have an overall sleazy, mercantile feel to it. A white man wouldn’t want to live there anymore. Nevertheless, just check Zillow for what sellers are demanding for their houses. Million plus for a house sharing a street with an undisguised brothel. $700 k for a dingy, one bedroom apartment in an aging apartment block. NYC is absurd, and, in my opinion, there is very little charm to living in NYC anymore. Just a constant grind.

  255. @Jack D
    In Philly a lot of older rowhouses have front porches and the in thing in the Puerto Rican ghetto is to enclose the entire porch with a cage of metal bars. I guess it reminds the occupants of jail, where they spend most of their time.

    https://www.philly.com/resizer/arw6_LRWIoHImHGLX9Ln0n3MX24=/1400x0/center/middle/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-pmn.s3.amazonaws.com/public/RJEU4PMOMJCK3DR5TDLH7WUTNI.jpg

    Social trust, or the lack thereof, makes all the difference.

  256. But? will it circumvent with weapons, armies, stuff? E25xEf30bls

  257. @istevefan

    It boils down to, we must redouble our efforts to convince the white race that its genocide isn’t happening.
     
    I hate to say it, but it seems as though Trump is leading the effort here. Every day he tweets about all the wall being built, and all the winning on the border. Meanwhile, from what little news I can get, it appears the border is more of a disaster today that it has been in many years. It seems like a total breakdown. But talk to Trump diehards and they think he is shutting it down. I suppose he has cut down on refugees which is good. But refugees was never the big driver of demographic change.

    Someone on Twitter coined a new term for TDS, which heretofore has only been known as Trump Derangement Syndrome. He suggested there is a another form of TDS called Trump Delusion Syndrome.

    it appears the border is more of a disaster today that it has been in many years

    We (re-)learned a lesson people have had to learn and learn again, down thru the ages:

    Don’t trust a demagogue. (Or a reality-tv star.)

    Solid Ideas and moral seriousness > Flashy personality and ‘trolling.’

    • Replies: @istevefan
    I don't know what happened. Surely he knows what candidate Trump ran on and what got the crowds out. Surely he knows what separated him from the rest of the GOP pack. Rush suggested that Trump is caving to ensure he has enough GOP support in the Senate to protect him from impeachment.

    Others are suggesting that all the recent talk of him not facing impeachment, and the Mueller investigation shutting down, indicates a deal was made with the deep state.

    Others think he and his family are being threatened with continual investigations at either the federal level or state level (NY) if he doesn't change his positions.

    Still others just say it's because he surrounded himself with Jarvanka.

    I have no contacts with anyone who is anywhere remotely connected, so I have no clue. All I know is 2019 has been bad if you follow Trump. He seems like a different guy altogether. Not only has he changed his tune on some positions, but he seems like he has lost his mojo. His twitter feed is a shell of its once glorious self.
    , @Desiderius
    He’s a bullshitter savant. But the deep state has Don Jr. by the short hairs so he steers clear of anything that could trigger them.

    One thing about selling your soul - holding on to power becomes ridiculously easy because it’s all you’ve got. That’s where the deep state is.
  258. But? will it circumvent with weapons, armies, stuff?

    Blocked

  259. @MBlanc46
    Better for whom? Not for Americans.

    Better for the kind of personality immortalized by Kent Brockman in the 1990s:

  260. @Jimi
    Your prediction doesn't consider one important fact: people who grow up in NYC leave NYC.

    I grew up in an immigrant family in NYC with 13 cousins. Out of the 13 of us 11 have left. Only 2 are left in NYC. I suspect low birth rates with emigration to suburbs will have the same effect on Chinese population in NYC.

    One under-noticed demographic are Bangladeshis. They are already dominating housing projects in certain areas, govt jobs and public schools.

    However they are more like Puerto Ricans, rather than Chinese, they will stick around as a NYC underclass for a long time.

    Indian immigrants seem to prefer get out NYC as soon as possible for leafy suburbs. The American-born Indians you see in NYC are more like white hipsters/gentrifiers. They were raised in affluent suburban communities.

    One under-noticed demographic are Bangladeshis. They are already dominating housing projects in certain areas, govt jobs and public schools.

    I know this clearly. One day before the 911 attacks the NY Times featured a Queens based Bangladeshi activist bragging how there were two hundred thousand Bangladeshi illegals in NYC and that no one could stop this tide. Anyone who has access to old NYTimes can find this and post it.
    _________________

    Illegal immigrants, including 50,000 Bangladeshis, in New …
    https://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2015/01/13/illegal-immigrants…
    More than half a million illegal immigrants including over 50,000 Bangladeshis living in New York City are going to receive Municipal Identification Card to access key city services previously …

  261. @Hail

    it appears the border is more of a disaster today that it has been in many years
     
    We (re-)learned a lesson people have had to learn and learn again, down thru the ages:

    Don't trust a demagogue. (Or a reality-tv star.)

    Solid Ideas and moral seriousness > Flashy personality and 'trolling.'

    I don’t know what happened. Surely he knows what candidate Trump ran on and what got the crowds out. Surely he knows what separated him from the rest of the GOP pack. Rush suggested that Trump is caving to ensure he has enough GOP support in the Senate to protect him from impeachment.

    Others are suggesting that all the recent talk of him not facing impeachment, and the Mueller investigation shutting down, indicates a deal was made with the deep state.

    Others think he and his family are being threatened with continual investigations at either the federal level or state level (NY) if he doesn’t change his positions.

    Still others just say it’s because he surrounded himself with Jarvanka.

    I have no contacts with anyone who is anywhere remotely connected, so I have no clue. All I know is 2019 has been bad if you follow Trump. He seems like a different guy altogether. Not only has he changed his tune on some positions, but he seems like he has lost his mojo. His twitter feed is a shell of its once glorious self.

    • Replies: @Ibound1
    He hasn’t invaded anyone. Or “surged”. With our government that’s no small thing. It’s probably already saved us a million extra “refugees”. I’m grateful just for that. The level of our elites is so low, and the Democrats are so insane, Trump still shines by comparison.
    , @Alden
    It’s probably the threat of continual investigations at every level. 4 presidents have been assassinated always a possibility
    , @Anonymous
    Deep State/Establishment— which is ultimately controlled by the oligarchs— is so thoroughly entrenched and singularly focused and uses all of its tools and power to resist and oppose any threat to the status quo. Politics is a sham, just theater to placate the masses. And voting merely ratifies what the oligarchs had already decided and chosen (candidates and candidates’ controlled agenda).

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iuvTwibVXCw
  262. But? will it circumvent with weapons, armies, stuff?

    Blocked: we are dealing with very nihilistic and histrionic (double whammy) people.

  263. Anonymous[396] • Disclaimer says:

    There are a lot of unattractive Chinese girls, despite all the nerd fantasies to the contrary.

    While the idea of Chinese IQ having a small standard deviation may have been debunked, I think there’s some merit to east Asian attractiveness having a very small standard deviation relative to other races. East Asians may be a bit more attractive on average, but I don’t find there are many Chinese women who possess mind-blowing ugliness or Earth-shattering beauty compared to whites or south Asians.

    The eyeball test also suggests that east Asian women are more likely to store extra fat in rolls around their bellies compared to white, black or India women, who store it in their butt, thighs and breasts. And everyone’s getting fatter, even the Chinese.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    KFC is wildly popular in China, Pizza Hut upmarket. Along with the pollution I can see big problems for China going forward

    Most Chinese women are unattractive, I also like traditional European curves, but what they do have in their favour is being demur and making it known if they like a man.
    , @Erik Sieven
    I think you are wrong about Indian women. South Asians tend to have rather more belly-fat than others.
  264. Anonymous[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    In Eastern Europe, Chinese couples give their children local names
     
    I think it is Chinese practice pretty much everywhere to give their kids local first names to be written in Roman letters. They also have Chinese names as well, which are used within the family. This is not unlike what most Jews do nowadays, aside from the ultra- Orthodox. Indians usually give their kids only Indian names which they transliterate and use as the English names also.

    That used to be the case in Canada. It’s changing now. The Flight from Anglo?

  265. @Jack D
    In Philly a lot of older rowhouses have front porches and the in thing in the Puerto Rican ghetto is to enclose the entire porch with a cage of metal bars. I guess it reminds the occupants of jail, where they spend most of their time.

    https://www.philly.com/resizer/arw6_LRWIoHImHGLX9Ln0n3MX24=/1400x0/center/middle/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-pmn.s3.amazonaws.com/public/RJEU4PMOMJCK3DR5TDLH7WUTNI.jpg

    That is sad seeing what the new citizenry has done to those fine homes. Those bars weren’t necessary for the original buyers. I had grandparents who lived in a row house in one of Philly’s neighborhoods. From the old photos they seemed very nice. But the relatives were white-flighted out. Later in life I had the chance to visit. It’s a f*cking dump now.

    I guess in a way that helped shape my current views.

  266. @Jack D
    In Philly a lot of older rowhouses have front porches and the in thing in the Puerto Rican ghetto is to enclose the entire porch with a cage of metal bars. I guess it reminds the occupants of jail, where they spend most of their time.

    https://www.philly.com/resizer/arw6_LRWIoHImHGLX9Ln0n3MX24=/1400x0/center/middle/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-pmn.s3.amazonaws.com/public/RJEU4PMOMJCK3DR5TDLH7WUTNI.jpg

    This scared me in 1969 in NYC. I thought my parents brought me to a shithole country – I was not wrong, even at 7. USA has become a shithole country…at least, at the coasts and Chicago/Min/Detroit (always reminded me of detritus) – enuf said for one night.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    What is the best way to express this in Finnish?

    Paskaoja?

    Käymälä?

    Ulkohuone?

    Kissanhiekkalaatikko?

    https://www.stampcommunity.org/uploaded/wt1/20130911_outhouses.jpg

    , @Clyde
    I am going to like any woman who is brave enough to use the word "shithole". Now don't get tingled etc. Your posts here at iSteve need to be more. Along w the other women here. Say your piece! We have free speech in America so say your piece.
  267. @istevefan
    I don't know what happened. Surely he knows what candidate Trump ran on and what got the crowds out. Surely he knows what separated him from the rest of the GOP pack. Rush suggested that Trump is caving to ensure he has enough GOP support in the Senate to protect him from impeachment.

    Others are suggesting that all the recent talk of him not facing impeachment, and the Mueller investigation shutting down, indicates a deal was made with the deep state.

    Others think he and his family are being threatened with continual investigations at either the federal level or state level (NY) if he doesn't change his positions.

    Still others just say it's because he surrounded himself with Jarvanka.

    I have no contacts with anyone who is anywhere remotely connected, so I have no clue. All I know is 2019 has been bad if you follow Trump. He seems like a different guy altogether. Not only has he changed his tune on some positions, but he seems like he has lost his mojo. His twitter feed is a shell of its once glorious self.

    He hasn’t invaded anyone. Or “surged”. With our government that’s no small thing. It’s probably already saved us a million extra “refugees”. I’m grateful just for that. The level of our elites is so low, and the Democrats are so insane, Trump still shines by comparison.

  268. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    The brown Asians: phillipinos, samoans etc are not better off under Asian rule, they did just as well under the Missionaries
     
    Several Filipinos have told me the Philippines were much better off under American control. Such is the nature of White “exploitation”.

    How old were these Filipinos? American control of the Philippines lasted from the early 20th century until the mid 30s. The Philippine–American War was very rough on the civilians. There were lots of civilian deaths during the war and some pretty bad atrocities. And the Philippines were extremely poor during that time.

  269. @Anonymous Jew
    I consider myself an Anglo-American separatist and would prefer a country with a strong White majority (>90%). That said, I live in a mostly Chinese neighborhood in SF and under Chinese rule you can at least go about your daily life without being 'molested'. Yes, in China proper there's no real Western rule of law, but my experience with the American-ish Chinese isn't half bad. They're generally friendly and congenial neighbors. In fact, if it were only the Chinese in our neighborhood (ie no risk of schizophrenic homeless people wandering in) I would have no problems with my wife walking to the corner store alone at 10 pm. Needles to say, this is much, much better than my experience growing up next to a Black neighborhood and going to half Black schools.

    ‘…Needles to say, this is much, much better than my experience growing up next to a Black neighborhood and going to half Black schools.’

    Blacks do wonders for one’s sense of perspective.

    I lived for a year in rural Hawaii, where whites love to bitch about the ‘locals’ (everyone who isn’t white). Yeah, there can be issues, but compared to blacks, Hawaiian Locals are…cute.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    And my very close friend, who lived for several years in Hawaii, was one of those who "bitched" about the "locals"...especially after a white couple he knew was murdered by some of the "locals" and after he was shoved off his bike and left unconscious, with a broken collar bone, by some "locals" who thought it would be fun to send a haole flying. Calling them "cute" as compared to blacks is without any meaning or even humor. Where is it written that we have to choose between those two unattractive options?
  270. @dwb
    I'm curious as to what part of the country you live in.

    I live in San Francisco, and I see the second generation Asian immigrants absorbing a lot of the "woke" BS that prevails here. The newcomers are not, as you say, "conscious" and appear more interested in how to maximize their opportunities. The kids (and especially the next gen) are far more interested in the SWPL.

    One of the biggest mouths out there is Ted Lieu.

    I’m curious as to what part of the country you live in.

    South of the Mason-Dixon Line. And I’m not Chinese.

    • Replies: @Alden
    For a long time San Francisco Chinatown illegal gambling houses had a bigger cash flow than Reno casinos. Of course after they lose, the Shylock money lenders are right there.

    There’s a lot of home invasion burglaries in Chinese neighborhoods because the evade taxes and keep their money st home.

    They are taking high skill jobs
    They cause homelessness because so many crowd into big expensive cities.

    The bourgeois worship of normal and high IQ is just as destructive of Whites as liberal worship of black criminals is.

    Their average IQ is 105. Therefore we must welcome tens of millions of them.
    , @snorlax
    But if history had gone slightly differently Koreans (like Cantonese, Hakkas etc.) would consider themselves Chinese. Or Japanese if it went slightly different another way.
  271. @zapa
    "Asians have poor impulse control" - they do? first time I've heard of this...

    In casinos, yes. Elsewhere in life, no.

  272. @albionrevisited
    Vancouver is dominated by the Chinese and it's awful.

    Fair winds brought them here. Fair winds will take them away.

    Shut off the power and water for a couple years. Can you imagine what will happen when they can no longer post emoticons to social media?

    Dust in the wind.

  273. @Jack D
    I have several friends who are Chinese American. They are educated people with professional or advanced degrees. Some are married to whites and some not, but pretty much uniformly if they were raised in America then the main culture that they identify with is American. Mostly they can't even speak Chinese. They are pretty much indistinguishable in their interests from any other well educated white with their socioeconomic background (mostly their parents were professional people too). I would call them bananas - yellow on the outside, white on the inside. And their kids are even more American if such a thing is possible.

    In the case of mixed race people it really doesn't take long to lose all vestige of connection to the original culture and sometimes even appearance. We have new neighbors. The wife is 1/2 Indian but born and raised in Wisconsin (I think that 40 or 50 years ago there was a smaller South Asian community in America so it was MORE common for Indian men to intermarry). She looks and sounds white (this is surely bolstered by the fact that her clothes, hairstyle, makeup, etc. are all that of a white person), her husband is white and their kids are just ordinary American kids with an exotic grandpa. Recently she described to me the experience of having to go to India with her dad to scatter her grandma's ashes in the Ganges. She described India as being completely horrifying to her, as horrifying as it would be to any good Midwestern girl. You could tell that she was looking at it with American eyes and viewed it as a completely alien place.

    Maybe Mexicans hang onto their culture longer and blacks have no choice but to be seen as black, but I think folks here underestimate how quickly high functioning Asians disappear into elite American society.

    I should point out, though, the Chinese have the lowest assimilation indices among the major Asian immigrant groups in the U.S. except the Indians (who cluster with non-Cuban Hispanics):

  274. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The Census Bureau puts the net increase in the number of ethnic Chinese...
     
    Yeah, because they're all counted in the census, right? I know of an illegal alien operation out of Newark, New Jersey that involves sending these illegal immigrants all over the country in buses. Do you think all those waiters and waitresses at the Chinese restaurants are family just because they look the same? You racist, you! ;-} Learn about the The China to King Buffet pipeline.

    I only eat Chinese at the Hy-Vee or other supermarkets where I know, or at least have good reason to believe, the help is at least legal. Their Chinese is pretty generic, but that way I’m not financing illegal immigration.

    Same with gas. I try to go to Quik-Trip despite the fact I’ve told Chet Caddieux to his face he’s a hard-on, (and he is), because he hires legals only, mostly white, upscale blacks or orientals that are obviously US born. Elsewise I’ll buy gas from Hy-Vee, or Costco.

    The 7-11 is owned by desis and I’ve had times when third shift I’ve been stuck outside, doors locked, and an subcontinental clerk is sleeping his ass off behind the register in full view. The Amocos and Shells hire Indians/Paks and Africans respectively that speak English only barely. Only the threat of running dry makes me buy gas there and when I do it’s a couple of gallons to get me to a better station.

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    Fighting these daily small battles is worth doing, Mr. #427, but only if we are not alone in it.. I may not do it exactly the same way, but I do make efforts not to economically support the people that are sent to replace us. I got 3 white guys to do the roof, for instance, and a local real American to do another big job.

    Thanks for your efforts.
  275. @anon
    Yep, impossible not to notice the White Male / Asian Female pairs in the more affluent areas of major metros.

    Reading through blogs, POC Guy & While Female interracial dating is often portrayed as a sign of the dying Stale Pale Male.

    But it may also be a case that Asian women are "simply doing the jobs that white women just won't do" -- i.e., being a normal, supportive spouse for upwardly mobile White guys. Suspect a lot of this POC Guy / White Female, is the result of these White Females being displaced at the high end of the dating market, which trickles downward.

    Also think what has killed the White Female brand is divorce horror stories, which are often initiated by the woman. Younger white guys seem to have wised up.

    “Asian women are “simply doing the jobs that white women just won’t do” — i.e., being a normal, supportive spouse for upwardly mobile White guys”

    Well, can you really blame anyone for avoiding white females? Asian women have higher levels of education, higher levels of income, a lower tendency to get fat or to have bad skin, significant advantages in terms of work ethic, higher levels of mental illness, etc.

    I wouldn’t touch the average white North American / Western woman with a ten foot pole anymore. They were fine to date back in the day when I was not looking to settle down, but to find a decent one to marry is next to impossible. I married a foreigner rather than sift through legions of harpies looking for someone who isn’t going to sell the family jewels to fund Hillary’s latest book tour.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I’ve known tons of Chinese and I have to say the idea of Chinese having this Herculean work ethic
    is a myth from what I’ve seen. Oh, they’ll work hard- as long as they have some tough as nails slave driver (their tiger mom, an Asian factory boss, etc) riding them hard. Take that away and they damn near universally become lazier than a black man on a 10 day beach vacation. It’s all externally driven for them. As long as the thumbscrews are on they’re nose to the grindstone, otherwise they’re texting constantly, socializing, leaving early, letting others do the work and they’ve got a million [email protected] excuses for it.
    , @Federalist

    I wouldn’t touch the average white North American / Western woman with a ten foot pole anymore. ... I married a foreigner
     
    Tell yourself whatever you need to rationalize not being able to get a good white woman.
  276. anon[166] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jimi
    Russian Jews also dominate a few housing projects. But their kids seem to move out and up in the world.

    I believe the Bangaldeshis are settling in for multi-generation welfarism. They are our new Puerto Ricans.

    In Australia, if you’ve got 10+ kids, the State Government has got to find suitable Housing at no more than 25% of the Welfare Cheque, and that Welfare Cheque will be worth $2,000+/week.
    Once the kids get too old for Welfare, the parents will go on the indexed Disability Support Pension, now worth more than the minimum wage [$18.50/hour].

  277. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Michael Cimino and Oliver Stone made a movie about this back in the 80s starring MIckey Rourke called “Year of the Dragon”:

  278. anon[324] • Disclaimer says:
    @SimpleSong
    Not an expert, but my two cents--I've had two nephews marry Asian girls. I tried to get some of this info out of them in a discreet way without ruining Thanksgiving. I found out:

    1.) Parents don't care if they marry white guys because they consider western culture to be reasonably functional. I mean the kids grow up practicing Bach 6 hours a day so clearly they don't have contempt for westerners. However parents would flip out if they brought home a black guy.

    2.) On our side of the family, my brother really didn't care, my sister in law seemed slightly perturbed but nothing too bad. I think it was the same deal for them.

    3.) Asian girls are just killin' it in the dating/marriage market. They have access to the top cohort of both the whites and Asians. I think the high AF outmarriage rates are just because they can get whomever the heck they want. I think this is because WF have damaged their brand, so to speak, by things like pussy hat marches. I don't think WF realize how off putting stuff like that is to most men. You don't want to come home at the end of a long day to someone who seems to prioritize abstract social causes over the immediate family, or views you as 'the enemy.'

    4.) My 5 grand-nephews range from looking mostly asian to looking like dark haired whites. Two of them just look like darker haired Bavarians to me. None of them look totally Asian because they all have brown hair, although it will probably darken with age.

    I think this is because WF have damaged their brand, so to speak, by things like pussy hat marches. I don’t think WF realize how off putting stuff like that is to most men.
    Agreed – 40 years out from the feminist revolution, liberated white women are finding themselves alone or in bed with a lesbian. You see lots of them in the offices looking unhappy. A just outcome.

  279. @res

    I would call them bananas – yellow on the outside, white on the inside.
     
    You are aware of what Twinkie's username means, right?

    As Mrs. Twinkie says, I have the face of an an Asian, but the soul of a hillbilly. My wife is Hy-Vee and I’m Piggly Wiggly (though, sadly, in this Yankee-occupied upper South where I live today, there isn’t one).

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