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Screenshot 2015-11-03 21.49.26 The majority of the ongoing increase in death rates among 45-54 year old whites happened around 1999-2002. But nobody much noticed that it had happened until 13 years later on October 29, 2015, when the husband-wife team of Angus Deaton and Ann Case published a paper on it.

Why not?

Well, first, everybody might well have gone on ignoring this if Deaton hadn’t won the quasi-Nobel in economics a few weeks earlier.

Second, it took a certain amount of work to extract the numbers from the CDC’s annual report on “Deaths.” I’ve worked a lot with the equivalent annual report on “Births.” Some trends are graphed by the government, some are displayed in tables, but some have to be laboriously constructed by the end user from different reports. I’m guessing that Deaton and Case had to construct the red line in this graph at left from separate annual reports.

Third, and most important, there are virtually no respectable organizations that have it as part of their mission to care about the well-being of whites. In contrast, there are countless organizations scanning for statistics showing that blacks are getting a bad break. But looking out for whites is mostly a good way to wind up on the SPLC’s list of hate groups, so nobody pays much attention.

 
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  1. #WhiteLivesDon’tMatter

  2. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    There is no white identity and interest.

    Lacking such consciousness, white problems are not addressed. Only white privilege.

    Worse, unprivileged whites are blamed for the privilege of whites(and Jews) who have it.
    It must suck to have no privilege but be accused of having it by the very white Liberals who really hog it for themselves.

    • Agree: Travis, Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @fish

    Worse, unprivileged whites are blamed for the privilege of whites(and Jews) who have it. It must suck to have no privilege but be accused of having it by the very white Liberals who really hog it for themselves.
     
    Pshaw....all these low class whites need to do is indulge in the same sort of ostentatious moral preening that commenter #1 engages in and all their dreams can be realized!

    #createamovement
    , @E. Rekshun
    It must suck to have no privilege [racism] but be accused of having it by the very white Liberals [blacks] who really hog it for themselves.
    , @Marc
    "There is no white identity and interest".

    This individualism seems to be a hardwired into people of Western and Northern European descent. Atavism develops as a societal survival mechanism after demographic encroachment negatively effects the lives of the majority, particularly those with more political and economic clout.

    The low trust culture of Southern Europe developed after centuries of immigration/cohabitation with those from the Near East, and it may take several more decades of dealing with the ill-effects brought on by large scale invasion before Westerners in sizable numbers realize survival requires the adoption of a new mindset. Europeans who were far more inculcated by the New Left than Americans are embracing ethnonationalism and further right politics in large numbers over a relatively short period of time.

    Social engineering/conditioning works until it no longer serves one's interests it and is contradicted by daily reality. Shaming people for being "racists" has been losing it's impact over the last eight years, and SWPL status-signalling is becoming less impressive and more transparently approval-seeking with each passing day.

  3. They were too focused on the War on Women to notice. Imagine lower middle class white women actually displaying similar dismal figures as white men! You’d never hear the end of it.

    • Replies: @Pseudonymic Handle
    White women with a high school education or less are in a similarly bad situation and nobody cares

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/06/25/whats-killing-the-less-educated-white-women-of-america/

    and that has been known since 2012

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/21/us/life-expectancy-for-less-educated-whites-in-us-is-shrinking.html
  4. Have you considered the fact that almost all of that rise occurred among lower class white people? Conservatives, among whom you number yourself, by definition think that poor people get what they deserve. If these people had wanted to live longer, they would have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.

    In order to see things like this, you have to be open to the idea that the system is rigged against anyone, of whatever skin color, who isn’t a billionaire. Quit obsessing about how unfair it is to notice that people with darker skin than you have it rough and pay attention to how much we have eroded the safety net for everyone.

    • Replies: @josh
    Admit it, you have never read anything by Sailer before.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "Conservatives, among whom you number yourself, by definition think that poor people get what they deserve."

    In point of fact, that's most decidedly NOT part of the "definition" of socio-political conservatism, you jackass. Perhaps your professors led you to believe that, but someone who's ostensibly an adult, should have the ability to discern the difference between being informed, and being indoctrinated.
    , @SteveO

    Have you considered the fact that almost all of that rise occurred among lower class white people?
     
    That could have been the key to noticing the trend earlier: not a focus on white people, but a focus on lower-class people of any race. Given that whites are still a majority of the population, the death rate for all lower and working class Americans, regardless of race, must have gone up over this period for the relevant age group.

    I think there was a time when that fact would have been noticed sooner. But, as you say, whether liberal (because of the so-called meritocracy) or conservative (because of their basic philosophy since the abandonment of noblesse oblige), important people simply do not pay attention to the problems of the poor and working class unless they can be specifically linked to a fashionable cause like anti-racism.

    As for not noticing the white-specific aspect of the problem - there is no organization with the job of looking at the problems of white people because, until recently, it was assumed that the problems of white people were the problems of the whole society and vice versa. In a country where 90% of the population was white - and where, let's be honest, until the mid-20th century blacks were not treated as full members of society - there was no need for a NAAWP.
    , @Anonym
    I don't think you are familiar with the conservatives on this site. Also no one here obsesses about how rough non-whites supposedly have it.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    "Conservatives, among whom you number yourself, by definition think that poor people get what they deserve."

    If your definition of conservative is one who thinks that poor people get what they deserve your opinions aren't worth a smile pile of fresh dog excrement.
    , @e
    pay attention to how much we have eroded the safety net for everyone.

    You can't be serious.
    The "safety net" for today's lower income folks and "poor" (not the same thing) is somehow LESS than what was available to previous generations?
    , @Tracy

    Have you considered the fact that almost all of that rise occurred among lower class white people? Conservatives, among whom you number yourself, by definition think that poor people get what they deserve. If these people had wanted to live longer, they would have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.

    In order to see things like this, you have to be open to the idea that the system is rigged against anyone, of whatever skin color, who isn’t a billionaire. Quit obsessing about how unfair it is to notice that people with darker skin than you have it rough and pay attention to how much we have eroded the safety net for everyone.
     
    Not sure where you're getting your idea of "conservatism" from, but it looks nothing like anything I or the conservatives I know believe. Maybe you're confusing "neo-conservatism" (a movement of ex-Marxists) with "conservatism" and "paleo-conservatism". Especially among Catholic conservatives, concerns about the BS monetary system, fiat currencies, usury, fractional reserve banking, and government-made monopolies rank high as things to focus on. And Catholic conservatives are the very LAST people who'd think that the poor "have it coming"; that's a very Calvinist notion, a line of crap that brought us to the "Prosperity Gospel." Catholics (orthodox ones, anyway) are the last type of people who buy into radical individualism (or radical collectivism. In Catholic thinking, it's the family, neither the individual or the collective, that's the keystone of civilization).

    But talking about all the stuff that's plaguing the family, and the aforementioned economic issues that keep the 1% rich at the expense of everyone else involves talking about things some folks -- the ones with all the power -- deem unmentionable, that will get you kicked out of "polite society" for bringing up. So nothing will change.
    , @anon

    Conservatives, among whom you number yourself, by definition think that poor people get what they deserve.
     
    I suspect that you're just trolling, but there's a big difference between saying that there's a reason poor people are poor, and saying that poor people deserve to be poor.

    In fact, if you suspect that the root causes for poverty are mostly genetic, then it's pretty easy to argue that they don't deserve it, because they can't help what genes they're stuck with.
    , @Jack D

    If these people had wanted to live longer, they would have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.
     
    When people of any color behave in a self-destructive way, I don't think its wrong to assign blame to them, nor is it right to assign all of their bad behavior to societal forces. This whole "non-judgmental" thing hasn't really been that good for our society. People who drink or take drugs (not to mention kill themselves) certainly have a hand in their own destruction, regardless of what societal forces are at play. They are the authors of their own destruction, whether they are black or brown or white trash. Warren Buffet didn't make you drink that foty. Bill Gates is not the one making you snort meth. Carlos Slim didn't put that gun in your hand.

    The economy hasn't been great for people at the lower end of the economic scale - globalization and the import of lots of immigrant labor has meant that wages (adjusted for inflation) haven't risen for decades now. But your money goes a lot further if you aren't snorting it up your nose, wouldn't you say? You're more likely to hold down a job if you don't drink a six-pack before breakfast, no?

  5. I currently work in a state department of public health. I emailed this peer-reviewed study to a number of fellow resesearchers in the department along with a suggestion that it was in line with what we wwere seeing in our state’s on-going opioid abuse epidemic and might help explain that epidemic. It was as if I’d farted at a formal dinner. Not noticing has become a job requirement in large segments of the economy.

  6. When I Google “white life expectancy declining” I get a 2012 NYT article “Life Spans Shrink for Least-Educated Whites in the U.S.”, so you cannot say there has been an embargo on news of health trends among U.S. whites that has just recently been broken.

  7. OT: Your new diverse FBI:

    Video: FBI agent convicted of assault on teenager and pulls out gun and threatens.

    Occurred in libtopia Chevy Chase, Maryland.

    • Replies: @marty
    That's an albino schvarz, isn't it?
  8. One wonders how many grad students they had to dragoon to sift through it all, and whether any of them were thinking “definitely leave this one off the CV; I don’t need to get Richwined.”

  9. As viewed in this chart, this really is an astounding trend. There was some threshold event in 1998 that reversed the trend of declining death rates in only one population. What could have been so important that happened that year?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Probably painkiller liberalization.
    , @Anonym
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/can-you-guess-missing-word-in-nyts/

    My guess is income stagnation has something to do with it as well. US health care costs are among the highest in the world. Is that because whites subsidize illegals? If so, have the health care costs for the non-freeloaders risen with the rise in illegal numbers?
    , @AndrewR
    Seinfeld ended
    , @epebble
    Can't say it is relevant; but I remember President Clinton and Lewensky scandal being the most important political topic for a couple of years. Then there was the big dotcom blowout and finally 9/11 that closed the chapter on postwar "Great America", we stopped "winning" (at least per Trump) and the era of diminished expectation started.
    , @Travis
    during recessions the suicide rate for whites always goes up...while it remains steady for Blacks and women. White men have a responsibility to be the breadwinners , we are raised this way. Thus the loss of work effects whites more than Blacks or Females. the early 90s recession and the early 80s recession shows an increase in death rates for white men. unfortunately the 2000 recession was followed by a jobless recovery while the migrant invasion continued to lower wages.

    White working class men have been a recessionary environment since 1999 , to make matters worse they have seen many of their jobs taken over by an invasion on third world migrants who are happy to work at lower wages, which are still much higher than in their native nations. The migrants also change their neighborhoods, push up the cost of housing etc...Add in the easy access to opiates and cheap heroin imported by the Mexican cartels and we now see the results. It may be what the elites hoped for, to get rid of the one group of people they have trouble controlling.

    The media will always ignore any discussion about the problem of white males, since it goes against their narrative of "white privilege" and they want to avoid discussing the negative consequences of feminism and immigrations. Not surprising they failed to notice , because then people may notice the agenda they have been promoting does have negative consequences.
    , @Ron Unz
    Well, it's not directly connected, but it was in 1999 that Vioxx was introduced as a (highly lucrative) painkiller replacement for simple aspirin, and very heavily promoted in consumer advertising. Over the next few years, Vioxx caused at least tens of thousands of premature American deaths, and very likely hundreds of thousands:

    http://www.unz.com/article/chinese-melamine-and-american-vioxx-a-comparison/

    I think the consumer advertising of drugs with high profit margins really got going around that time.

    Considering the vast number of Americans killed by Vioxx and the absolutely negligible MSM coverage, we shouldn't be too surprised that nobody much paid attention to the mortality disaster of middle-aged lower-class whites for the last decade.
  10. Maybe white “men” should man up and quit complaining? I thought we white guys believed in being tough and not making excuses.

    We believe in personal responsibility and manly behavior don’t we?

    Or is that just for the “lazy” Men of Colour?

    • Replies: @SteveO

    I thought we white guys believed in being tough and not making excuses.
     
    You've just explained part of the reason for the rise in white suicide rates and possibly drug abuse as well.

    1. White people are not brought up to think of themselves as oppressed. When things go wrong, they have less ability (not no ability, but less) to blame society for their ills.

    2. As Steve has mentioned before, black people on average have higher self-esteem than whites. That's a cushion against depression.

    3. White men over 40, especially those in the working class, were generally brought up in an environment where stoicism was strongly encouraged and asking for help was discouraged. In addition, men, especially older generations, were taught that being a good provider was the main domestic role of men in civilized society. Failure to live up to that goal means failure as a man - failure that they have been taught to believe is their own fault.

    So, yeah, white men of older generations were brought up to be tough, not complain and regard failure as their own fault.

    That's pretty much a recipe for depression, self-medication and self-destruction when things go badly wrong in ways that are beyond your control.

  11. @Anon
    There is no white identity and interest.

    Lacking such consciousness, white problems are not addressed. Only white privilege.

    Worse, unprivileged whites are blamed for the privilege of whites(and Jews) who have it.
    It must suck to have no privilege but be accused of having it by the very white Liberals who really hog it for themselves.

    Worse, unprivileged whites are blamed for the privilege of whites(and Jews) who have it. It must suck to have no privilege but be accused of having it by the very white Liberals who really hog it for themselves.

    Pshaw….all these low class whites need to do is indulge in the same sort of ostentatious moral preening that commenter #1 engages in and all their dreams can be realized!

    #createamovement

  12. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:

    Some of this is innocuous – I wouldn’t expect something that happened from 1999-2002 to be noticed immediately. Then, for five years afterwards, people could honestly say that it might be a blip, a statistical anomaly….etc.

    But from 2008 on, no. And in 2012 and 2013 other studies came out hinting of this, one focusing on the shocking uptick of suicides among less educated white women. And I don’t remember much response to that, manospherboys, it was just “eh, so what?” So when the medical journals rejected these findings, there was already plenty of evidence in the air that something BAD was going down. My answer to that is that the people who run these journals are in every way comparable to the nomenklatura of the rotting USSR. Believing is seeing.

    Meanwhile, I smell a coverup in the air. The Economist just ran an article about maternal deaths:

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2015/08/economist-explains-4?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/ed/WhyAreSoManyAmericanWomenDyingFromChildbirth

    It’s totally upfront about the racial aspects of this stat – black women are pushing US maternal deaths upwards. But of course, the answer is: “lack of access to healthcare.” How that squares with a lower Hispanic maternal death rate, I don’t know, but when all else fails, blame whitey and start screaming slogans. Hey, it’s worked so far, why not keep it up?

  13. Steve’s explanation certainly meets a sort of minimum standard of plausibility. Former CBS correspondent Bernard Goldberg said in a radio interview that his story of blacks looting after a hurricane on a Caribbean island was spiked because it sent the wrong message.

    I’ve had some connection with the news business. It’s entirely possible an editor would shun the story because the facts on their own rattle his cage, plus he’d fear a newsroom constituency advocating more coverage of “white issues”. As Steve notes, there are more benign explanations.

    An organization caring about the well-being of whites would be a very tough political sell. (Think about labor unions and their struggle with Communist and Mafia infiltration.) “Unz Review” seems to be doing a good job of establishing the shared premises for such an organization.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    The phenomenon of suicide (achieved and attempted, direct and indirect) among rural and small town whites around here was noted in comments sections of MSM outlets in discussions of meth or crime or poverty. These comments were occasionally allowed but usually modded out.

    In our local daily newsrag, when commenting was still open, vital, and interesting, it was noted often. They closed that down after a massive community outpouring against the local Occutards, and went over to a FB system. Comments dried up on everything. Today only a handful of stalwart souls still bother. Non-Cathedral comments are flagged and wiped.

    Ten years-ish ago a similar thing happened in the Euromedia with Rotherham.

    Commenters online had been noting concerns about what they were observing in their areas regarding Paki/Moozlimb sex crimes, trafficking, etc., for YEARS.

    I saw this at BBC, DM, even The Guardian (which eventually took them seriously enough to assign a reporter, who ended up breaking the story). This usually came up in comments on stories about immigration policy and crime.

    Their comments were usually removed. I watched this throughout the mid- to late Aughts.

    There was plenty of talk that the social services state apparatchiks, journalists, and others should have looked into, but didn't. Because diversity worship = lucrative career. People took it public on comments boards because when they went to their local authorities, they were silenced and threatened for questioning the religion of Diversitopia.

    At this distance it was hard to know how to fit the northern UK comments into anything. You go looking for larger framings. You ask around. Nothing. The very institutions and organizations that are supposed to take that sort of observation and test it against reality deliberately decided not to do so. Instead, they create a false reality and get power inflicting and enforcing it.

    People in my circles surely talked about what was happening to white men of Boom, Generation Jones, and X, gathering over whiskey and beer, or at the high-power rifle line/clubhouse, or hunting camp to reflect on those lost in the previous year to overdoses, suicide, "accidents," etc.

    Social workers and ministers in rural areas observed the death trend that everyone seems to be so ready to be astonished about at the present moment because a couple of academics finally decided they had enough in their 401(k) to risk telling the truth.

    High death trends among whites, especially males? Sanctified scats--we saw and talked about it all the time. This person needs help. That person needs a phone call or an invitation to a work party. Has anyone heard from the other person. So and so's divorce, so and so's joblessness, so and so's disappearance. How can we get some food or gas to this guy or that guy without causing him shame. For god's sake, don't go to this agency or that one, don't frame your issue this way, lie about it that way. Practice mendacity: it's the state religion from cradle to grave.

    Once the "social workers" arrive, it's all over. They can find all sorts of things to pathologize in the name of Helping. But somehow they never pathologize the Melanists' behaviors or actions.

    When I awoke to the news of the Sept. 11 attacks, my very first thought was, "My god, white guys have finally had enough."

    So, yeah--there was awareness of the thanatos taking root in whites' hearts even that early. But I didn't own a CNN. And so.
  14. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    This data should open discussion on welfare reform. The welfare state isn’t particularly generous in America but it’s pretty good for middle aged whites lacking education. What percentage of middle aged whites in West Virginia or Kentucky are on permanent welfare (social security disability)? That’s like giving cash every week to homeless people (what San Francisco did before reform). These welfare recipients just go out to buy legal drugs and kill themselves. Cut off the types of welfare Appalachians are known for abusing and mortality for this white sub-group declines.

    • Replies: @Hrw-500
    And some others who abuse the welfare in detriment of others who really needs it, who enjoyed as Youtube Chapter Jackson said "Free swipe yo EBT".
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII

    More videos about this subject.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrCkK0pCLVI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ-tvNbGy1M
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCP3b_a2Zoo
  15. It is pretty easy to extract numbers and graphs from http://wonder.cdc.gov

  16. Sure, you can go with #whitelivesdontmatter as an explanation but there is a much simpler one. Unlike, say, a study showing blacks are incarcerated at a higher rate, this study is groundbreaking in highlighting something virtually unprecedented in all Western societies among any demographic. So a bit of skepticism by scientific journals indicates, not so much that the whites running these journals don’t care about whites but, rather, that they don’t care to have their reputations flushed down the toilet by falling for shoddy research or a hoax.

    And I think it’s a safe bet that any reputable follow up research on this topic will come from generally left-leaning researchers, not from any of the ludicrous conservative think-tanks. And Steve will still be looking for intelligent reporting on the topic in the NYTimes and Washington Post, not the New York Post.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    On the contrary, groundbreaking work by a reputable researcher ought to be given a close examination by reviewers. It's not like the purpose of major journals is only to publish inconsequential studies on well-known topics. JAMA rejected the paper within hours, so it obviously wasn't reviewed.
    , @theo the kraut
    > intelligent reporting on the topic in the NYTimes and Washington Post

    it's reporting, anyway:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-white-working-class-is-a-dying-breed/2015/11/04/f2220170-8323-11e5-a7ca-6ab6ec20f839_story.html

    The news this week that the death rate of middle-aged American whites — more particularly, working-class middle-aged American whites — is rising, while that of all other Americans continues to fall, is appalling.
  17. A functioning society would start a crash program to get all our best scientists working to invent a painkiller that doesn’t turn people into zombies.

    But of course we have so much else to worry about, like cops vs. blacks, transgender bathrooms, Marco Rubio’s feelings about Darth Vader…

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "A functioning society would start a crash program to get all our best scientists working to invent a painkiller that doesn’t turn people into zombies."

    The fact you apparently believe, that a "painkiller" synthesized by corporate America, would likely be less harmful to human health than opiates, is almost touching. It makes me feel young again, to bear witness to such optimism.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Painkillers don't turn normal people into zombies.
  18. White privilege is worrying about poor whites dying in droves while millions of blacks are losing 30, maybe 45 minutes of sleep every night (Because Racism)!

    Seriously, I’m reminded of a really sad article in VDARE a couple years ago by Simon Krejsa:

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/diversity-is-strength-its-also-sleeping-with-a-mexican-who-snores

    How doesn’t one end up in a homeless shelter at age 60 when one is not a violent and/or habitual felon, petty criminal, drug addict, alcoholic, high-school drop-out, psychopath, schizophrenic, low-IQ low-life—or all of the above?…

    Krejsa as described by himself is basically an eccentric. A literateur wannabe who spent his prime working years writing books that were never picked up for publication, and so found himself at 60 without any resources or marketable job skills.

    Yeah, these weren’t the best life choices, but the sad story we’re all so familiar with on iSteve is how the social safety net intended for deserving poor just like Krejsa is wrecked and made intolerable by loud, hostile, volatile, physically-dangerous minorities. Public transportation, assisted housing, is too dirty, vile, chaotic and dangerous for most whites with any standards or self-respect to tolerate for long, and so instead of grinding along in squalid indigence many choose just to end it-

    And since SmallCity is now “enriched”, so is the shelter. With nonwhites, most of them inner-city blacks from Chicago, life is even more unpleasant, miserable, hellish, dangerous, frightening, etc. (I`ve never read about this specifically, but there must be government programs intended to alleviate crime and poverty in black inner-cities by relocating blacks to hundreds of little places like SmallCity…. A few months before I arrived, an African-American criminal assaulted a white resident who allegedly insulted him, smashing him so forcefully on the head with a chair that he was rendered unconscious…

    Every Sunday, with no bus service, I walk 7-8 miles, round-trip, to the university. Life in the shelter is so miserable and maddening, at least for anyone of even normal sensibility, that I did so even on a Sunday in early December, in a blizzard with gusts of 35-40 MPH, over a bridge and through drifts of snow as deep as a foot in the morning and then two feet high as I walked “home” in the late afternoon. But this enabled me to enjoy 8-9 hours of peace and sanity, writing and reading in the library…

    If I were 50 or even 55, rather than 61 and eligible for Social Security in less than a year, I`d seriously think of suicide for the first time in my life.

    Yikes! I haven’t seen any new material from him in years. Hope he’s still OK.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    He's not low IQ but I bet he is a low life. If he had family or friends that cared for him no way they would allow a 60 year old man to live alone in a shelter. But he has no friends and no family who want to take him in. Probably because he is a low life.
  19. ” there are virtually no respectable organizations that have it as part of their mission to care about the well-being of whites . . .”

    Only Charles Murray and former Senator and recent Presidential candidate Jim Webb seem to care. FDR took up the cause of poor whites in the South. Maybe Trump can find a way to cultivate this demographic — his trade and immigration stands certainly speak to their interests, as they do to the interests of low-wage and unemployed blacks and legal Hispanics. Do poor whites currently trend Democrat or Republican? What percentage vote?

    There is a piece on 538 suggesting that Trump will do poorly among Republicans in Blue State America, the reason being that Republican voters in these states are less into identity politics and more moderate and secular in their outlook. But this assumes Trump’s appeal is primarily racial and cultural when these are precisely the areas he has downplayed the most. I’d be interested in Steve’s thoughts on these two subjects.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "There is a piece on 538 suggesting that Trump will do poorly among Republicans in Blue State America,"

    Would most blue state Republican Whites in Ohio for example really rather vote for another Bush over Donald Trump? What has the Bush family ever done for blue collar White Republicans in Ohio?

  20. Agree with anon #2.

    Third, and most important, there are virtually no respectable organizations that have it as part of their mission to care about the well-being of whites.

    AARP? They did talk about this issue in 2013:

    http://blog.aarp.org/2013/05/03/boomer-suicides-rise-economy-related-suicide-financial-stress/

    The CDC report:

    http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2013/p0502-suicide-rates.html

    And the NYT did as well:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/03/health/suicide-rate-rises-sharply-in-us.html?emc=eta1&_r=1

    Edit: The topic is obviously discussed in non-racial terms.

  21. Why Wasn’t the Big 1999-2002 Rise in Death Rate Among 45-54 Year Old Whites Noticed Until 2015?

    Yes, why? Hhhmmm. The red curve illustrating the 45-54 year old White death rate is so contradictory to all of the other curves that I wonder if there are some errors in the data or in the interpretation of the data (intentional or otherwise). I think there was some recent news stating that much of the published social science research couldn’t be replicated.

    • Replies: @International Jew

    I think there was some recent news stating that much of the published social science research couldn’t be replicated.
     
    Never a bad bet! In this case, though, I'm inclined to trust Deaton with doing a careful and thorough job. He has a solid and long track record for that.

    And yeah, by themselves, the American results don't look so striking. In fact I'd hardly call that an increase -- more like a leveling off.

    What is striking about the American results is the breakdown by cause, where you see how suicides and drug overdoses have surged. But you don't notice that without digging into the data a bit.

    , @Jack D
    1. Deaton is a Nobel Prize winner, not your usual social science hack.
    2. These results don't confirm some sort of leftist dogma (in fact contradict it), unlike most dubious social science results.
    3. We don't have good statistics on a lot of things, but death isn't one of them. Virtually 100% of deaths get recorded in government stats.
  22. @Anon
    There is no white identity and interest.

    Lacking such consciousness, white problems are not addressed. Only white privilege.

    Worse, unprivileged whites are blamed for the privilege of whites(and Jews) who have it.
    It must suck to have no privilege but be accused of having it by the very white Liberals who really hog it for themselves.

    It must suck to have no privilege [racism] but be accused of having it by the very white Liberals [blacks] who really hog it for themselves.

  23. Did a Ctrl+F ‘white’ on the articles a la Ctrl+F ‘immigr’. The CDC and AARP articles mention race. The NY Times declines to mention it. I can’t get all the comments to load to do the same search.

  24. @Flinders Petrie
    As viewed in this chart, this really is an astounding trend. There was some threshold event in 1998 that reversed the trend of declining death rates in only one population. What could have been so important that happened that year?

    Probably painkiller liberalization.

    • Replies: @BurplesonAFB
    There's also

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Competitiveness_and_Workforce_Improvement_Act

    Didn't begin H1B, but doubled the numbers and set the stage for the current scale of the program.
    , @Blah
    Big Pharma advertising push allowed by FDA August 1997. "DTC" or direct to consumer prescription drug adverts allowed in magazines, tv, radio like never before.
    , @Robert Hume
    But why did not painkiller liberalization affect Hispanics as well? Less healthcare insurance possibly?
    , @Brutusale
    If memory serves, according to Sam Quinones' Dreamland, 1998 is when the Xalisco Boys expanded into Ohio and Kentucky, fertile ground prepared for them by the pill mills.
  25. @Kit
    Have you considered the fact that almost all of that rise occurred among lower class white people? Conservatives, among whom you number yourself, by definition think that poor people get what they deserve. If these people had wanted to live longer, they would have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.

    In order to see things like this, you have to be open to the idea that the system is rigged against anyone, of whatever skin color, who isn't a billionaire. Quit obsessing about how unfair it is to notice that people with darker skin than you have it rough and pay attention to how much we have eroded the safety net for everyone.

    Admit it, you have never read anything by Sailer before.

  26. http://isteve.blogspot.co.uk/2006/11/average-iq-of-enlisted-men.html

    So, young whites are dying in Iraq at a per capita rate more than 80% higher than young minorities.

  27. @Tiny Duck
    Maybe white "men" should man up and quit complaining? I thought we white guys believed in being tough and not making excuses.

    We believe in personal responsibility and manly behavior don't we?

    Or is that just for the "lazy" Men of Colour?

    I thought we white guys believed in being tough and not making excuses.

    You’ve just explained part of the reason for the rise in white suicide rates and possibly drug abuse as well.

    1. White people are not brought up to think of themselves as oppressed. When things go wrong, they have less ability (not no ability, but less) to blame society for their ills.

    2. As Steve has mentioned before, black people on average have higher self-esteem than whites. That’s a cushion against depression.

    3. White men over 40, especially those in the working class, were generally brought up in an environment where stoicism was strongly encouraged and asking for help was discouraged. In addition, men, especially older generations, were taught that being a good provider was the main domestic role of men in civilized society. Failure to live up to that goal means failure as a man – failure that they have been taught to believe is their own fault.

    So, yeah, white men of older generations were brought up to be tough, not complain and regard failure as their own fault.

    That’s pretty much a recipe for depression, self-medication and self-destruction when things go badly wrong in ways that are beyond your control.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    That's a pretty good summary of the factors involved in this phenomenon, although your choice of the age of 40 as some sort of generational watershed is unlikely to be accurate. First of all, I think this societal change has been relatively gradual over decades. If one were to graph "men who were raised to be stoic and not ask for help" against age cohorts, I think the line would be very straight over time. And I'm willing to bet that if there is some sort of watershed age cohort that it involves men who came of age before 1975, not men born during that year. Maybe you chose this number because it's the conventional start of "middle age" although it doesn't really correlate to a rapid change in the rate of change of anything besides maybe pro athlete retirement rates.

    I'm not trying to be pedantic but I do think it's unhelpful to make artificial or exaggerated distinctions between age cohorts, or any other demographic group really...
  28. Does anyone know what the jewish percentage is for these suicide rates ?

  29. @Kit
    Have you considered the fact that almost all of that rise occurred among lower class white people? Conservatives, among whom you number yourself, by definition think that poor people get what they deserve. If these people had wanted to live longer, they would have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.

    In order to see things like this, you have to be open to the idea that the system is rigged against anyone, of whatever skin color, who isn't a billionaire. Quit obsessing about how unfair it is to notice that people with darker skin than you have it rough and pay attention to how much we have eroded the safety net for everyone.

    “Conservatives, among whom you number yourself, by definition think that poor people get what they deserve.”

    In point of fact, that’s most decidedly NOT part of the “definition” of socio-political conservatism, you jackass. Perhaps your professors led you to believe that, but someone who’s ostensibly an adult, should have the ability to discern the difference between being informed, and being indoctrinated.

  30. If you don’t complain, no one notices. Whites have no culture of complaint.

    Especially white men. Of course, they are not allowed to have one, and white conservatives look down on victimology.

    So, there is silence from both ‘left’ and ‘right’.

    • Agree: Travis
  31. @Anon
    There is no white identity and interest.

    Lacking such consciousness, white problems are not addressed. Only white privilege.

    Worse, unprivileged whites are blamed for the privilege of whites(and Jews) who have it.
    It must suck to have no privilege but be accused of having it by the very white Liberals who really hog it for themselves.

    “There is no white identity and interest”.

    This individualism seems to be a hardwired into people of Western and Northern European descent. Atavism develops as a societal survival mechanism after demographic encroachment negatively effects the lives of the majority, particularly those with more political and economic clout.

    The low trust culture of Southern Europe developed after centuries of immigration/cohabitation with those from the Near East, and it may take several more decades of dealing with the ill-effects brought on by large scale invasion before Westerners in sizable numbers realize survival requires the adoption of a new mindset. Europeans who were far more inculcated by the New Left than Americans are embracing ethnonationalism and further right politics in large numbers over a relatively short period of time.

    Social engineering/conditioning works until it no longer serves one’s interests it and is contradicted by daily reality. Shaming people for being “racists” has been losing it’s impact over the last eight years, and SWPL status-signalling is becoming less impressive and more transparently approval-seeking with each passing day.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    In northern europe in several decades every white family will at least have one non-white family member. The new mindset then can't be a resurgence in white identity. Europe in 2050 might become quite firmly anti-immigration but it won't be white nationalist because maybe a tenth or a quarter of the young by then will be mixed race.
  32. Was the definition of ‘white’ in the U.S. statistics the same before and after 1998? It might have changed suddenly for the 2000 census, or gradually for reasons associated with ‘hispanic’ and ‘arab’ politics.

  33. @Anonymous
    A functioning society would start a crash program to get all our best scientists working to invent a painkiller that doesn't turn people into zombies.

    But of course we have so much else to worry about, like cops vs. blacks, transgender bathrooms, Marco Rubio's feelings about Darth Vader...

    “A functioning society would start a crash program to get all our best scientists working to invent a painkiller that doesn’t turn people into zombies.”

    The fact you apparently believe, that a “painkiller” synthesized by corporate America, would likely be less harmful to human health than opiates, is almost touching. It makes me feel young again, to bear witness to such optimism.

    • Replies: @Jean Cocteausten
    Maybe you'd like to tackle the problem yourself, with magic herbs or fairy roots or something? Best of luck, we're all counting on you.
  34. @Kit
    Have you considered the fact that almost all of that rise occurred among lower class white people? Conservatives, among whom you number yourself, by definition think that poor people get what they deserve. If these people had wanted to live longer, they would have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.

    In order to see things like this, you have to be open to the idea that the system is rigged against anyone, of whatever skin color, who isn't a billionaire. Quit obsessing about how unfair it is to notice that people with darker skin than you have it rough and pay attention to how much we have eroded the safety net for everyone.

    Have you considered the fact that almost all of that rise occurred among lower class white people?

    That could have been the key to noticing the trend earlier: not a focus on white people, but a focus on lower-class people of any race. Given that whites are still a majority of the population, the death rate for all lower and working class Americans, regardless of race, must have gone up over this period for the relevant age group.

    I think there was a time when that fact would have been noticed sooner. But, as you say, whether liberal (because of the so-called meritocracy) or conservative (because of their basic philosophy since the abandonment of noblesse oblige), important people simply do not pay attention to the problems of the poor and working class unless they can be specifically linked to a fashionable cause like anti-racism.

    As for not noticing the white-specific aspect of the problem – there is no organization with the job of looking at the problems of white people because, until recently, it was assumed that the problems of white people were the problems of the whole society and vice versa. In a country where 90% of the population was white – and where, let’s be honest, until the mid-20th century blacks were not treated as full members of society – there was no need for a NAAWP.

  35. @Steve Sailer
    Probably painkiller liberalization.

    There’s also

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Competitiveness_and_Workforce_Improvement_Act

    Didn’t begin H1B, but doubled the numbers and set the stage for the current scale of the program.

  36. @Anonymous
    OT: Your new diverse FBI:

    Video: FBI agent convicted of assault on teenager and pulls out gun and threatens.

    Occurred in libtopia Chevy Chase, Maryland.

    That’s an albino schvarz, isn’t it?

  37. @Steve Sailer
    Probably painkiller liberalization.

    Big Pharma advertising push allowed by FDA August 1997. “DTC” or direct to consumer prescription drug adverts allowed in magazines, tv, radio like never before.

  38. @Kit
    Have you considered the fact that almost all of that rise occurred among lower class white people? Conservatives, among whom you number yourself, by definition think that poor people get what they deserve. If these people had wanted to live longer, they would have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.

    In order to see things like this, you have to be open to the idea that the system is rigged against anyone, of whatever skin color, who isn't a billionaire. Quit obsessing about how unfair it is to notice that people with darker skin than you have it rough and pay attention to how much we have eroded the safety net for everyone.

    I don’t think you are familiar with the conservatives on this site. Also no one here obsesses about how rough non-whites supposedly have it.

  39. @Flinders Petrie
    As viewed in this chart, this really is an astounding trend. There was some threshold event in 1998 that reversed the trend of declining death rates in only one population. What could have been so important that happened that year?

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/can-you-guess-missing-word-in-nyts/

    My guess is income stagnation has something to do with it as well. US health care costs are among the highest in the world. Is that because whites subsidize illegals? If so, have the health care costs for the non-freeloaders risen with the rise in illegal numbers?

    • Replies: @Anonym
    Graphs I missed adding in. Actually it seems like US healthcare costs are higher than anywhere else.

    http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/14/why-does-us-health-care-cost-so-much-part-i/?_r=0

    https://philebersole.wordpress.com/2011/11/12/u-s-a-leader-in-rising-health-care-costs/

  40. As a fat white trash man in this age bracket who doesn’t take care of himself I want to know too. SOMEBODY MUST BE TO BLAME!!!!

    • Replies: @dcite
    But that's just it dave. If you're fat black or brown (or even yellow) trash, everyone not black, brown, or yellow, is held accountable for your obesity and lack of responsible behavior. I call fraud. Everybody would be responsible for their own choices.
  41. anon • Disclaimer says:

    The oligarchs want mass immigration and mass under employment to get the kind of desperate labor market they want.

    They don’t want the consequences of what they are doing to be publicized.

    nb for the people trying to make it a male/female thing the women in the same areas are on stuff like prozac.

  42. “Why Wasn’t the Big 1999-2002 Rise in Death Rate Among 45-54 Year Old Whites Noticed Until 2015?”

    Simple answers to simple questions: Liberals don’t give a shit about white people, and conservatives don’t give a shit about poor people.

  43. @Steve Sailer
    Probably painkiller liberalization.

    But why did not painkiller liberalization affect Hispanics as well? Less healthcare insurance possibly?

    • Replies: @Flinders Petrie
    That was my first thought: why whites and not U.S. blacks or Hispanics? And furthermore, why males? I've seen articles that claim that blacks and hispanics are denied pain meds in ER situations, compared to whites, but that wouldn't explain the gender issue. Are white males more susceptible to opiate addiction, or perhaps to overdose?
  44. @Anonym
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/can-you-guess-missing-word-in-nyts/

    My guess is income stagnation has something to do with it as well. US health care costs are among the highest in the world. Is that because whites subsidize illegals? If so, have the health care costs for the non-freeloaders risen with the rise in illegal numbers?
  45. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Abe
    White privilege is worrying about poor whites dying in droves while millions of blacks are losing 30, maybe 45 minutes of sleep every night (Because Racism)!

    Seriously, I'm reminded of a really sad article in VDARE a couple years ago by Simon Krejsa:

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/diversity-is-strength-its-also-sleeping-with-a-mexican-who-snores

    How doesn't one end up in a homeless shelter at age 60 when one is not a violent and/or habitual felon, petty criminal, drug addict, alcoholic, high-school drop-out, psychopath, schizophrenic, low-IQ low-life—or all of the above?...

     

    Krejsa as described by himself is basically an eccentric. A literateur wannabe who spent his prime working years writing books that were never picked up for publication, and so found himself at 60 without any resources or marketable job skills.

    Yeah, these weren't the best life choices, but the sad story we're all so familiar with on iSteve is how the social safety net intended for deserving poor just like Krejsa is wrecked and made intolerable by loud, hostile, volatile, physically-dangerous minorities. Public transportation, assisted housing, is too dirty, vile, chaotic and dangerous for most whites with any standards or self-respect to tolerate for long, and so instead of grinding along in squalid indigence many choose just to end it-


    And since SmallCity is now "enriched", so is the shelter. With nonwhites, most of them inner-city blacks from Chicago, life is even more unpleasant, miserable, hellish, dangerous, frightening, etc. (I`ve never read about this specifically, but there must be government programs intended to alleviate crime and poverty in black inner-cities by relocating blacks to hundreds of little places like SmallCity.... A few months before I arrived, an African-American criminal assaulted a white resident who allegedly insulted him, smashing him so forcefully on the head with a chair that he was rendered unconscious...

    Every Sunday, with no bus service, I walk 7-8 miles, round-trip, to the university. Life in the shelter is so miserable and maddening, at least for anyone of even normal sensibility, that I did so even on a Sunday in early December, in a blizzard with gusts of 35-40 MPH, over a bridge and through drifts of snow as deep as a foot in the morning and then two feet high as I walked "home" in the late afternoon. But this enabled me to enjoy 8-9 hours of peace and sanity, writing and reading in the library...

    If I were 50 or even 55, rather than 61 and eligible for Social Security in less than a year, I`d seriously think of suicide for the first time in my life.

     

    Yikes! I haven't seen any new material from him in years. Hope he's still OK.

    He’s not low IQ but I bet he is a low life. If he had family or friends that cared for him no way they would allow a 60 year old man to live alone in a shelter. But he has no friends and no family who want to take him in. Probably because he is a low life.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    We all have flaws, and certainly this guy's flaws might be highly repellent to many people, but I think it's a bit harsh to jump to the conclusion that he's a "low life" based on the fact that he ended up in a homeless shelter. We don't know his story. Plus, as another poster mentioned, hwyte folk are often too proud to ask for help, which may come with a reluctance to give it as well.

    Now I am a proud person but I'm not sure I could endure conditions like he describes in the article. Based on everything he wrote, I would have probably killed another resident and/or myself before two weeks had passed. But then again I wouldn't try to take refuge in a WI homeless shelter for months on end either. If I really ended up without a pot to piss in I would hoof it to a warmer climate and live outside.
    , @Grumpy
    No, that is not a fair assumption. Great numbers of decent people are alone. Often their parents, siblings (if they had any), and spouses are dead. If they moved away from their childhood home for work (of if that home has been rendered unrecognizable because of demographic upheaval), they can find themselves in places where they have no social connections late in life.
  46. @Kit
    Have you considered the fact that almost all of that rise occurred among lower class white people? Conservatives, among whom you number yourself, by definition think that poor people get what they deserve. If these people had wanted to live longer, they would have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.

    In order to see things like this, you have to be open to the idea that the system is rigged against anyone, of whatever skin color, who isn't a billionaire. Quit obsessing about how unfair it is to notice that people with darker skin than you have it rough and pay attention to how much we have eroded the safety net for everyone.

    “Conservatives, among whom you number yourself, by definition think that poor people get what they deserve.”

    If your definition of conservative is one who thinks that poor people get what they deserve your opinions aren’t worth a smile pile of fresh dog excrement.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Oh come on. No one here has said that all conservatives are heartless but you are being dishonest if you are claiming that heartlessness isn't a very strong streak in mainstream conservatism. And please don't play "no true scotsman." Just take a look at the Fox News comments on any given article. I highly doubt that foxnews.com commenters are an unrepresentative sample of conservatives.
  47. It’s basically the white version of what happened in black areas after 1965 when they were gradually shut out of employment by open borders advocates.

    internalized vs externalized

  48. @E. Rekshun
    Why Wasn't the Big 1999-2002 Rise in Death Rate Among 45-54 Year Old Whites Noticed Until 2015?

    Yes, why? Hhhmmm. The red curve illustrating the 45-54 year old White death rate is so contradictory to all of the other curves that I wonder if there are some errors in the data or in the interpretation of the data (intentional or otherwise). I think there was some recent news stating that much of the published social science research couldn't be replicated.

    I think there was some recent news stating that much of the published social science research couldn’t be replicated.

    Never a bad bet! In this case, though, I’m inclined to trust Deaton with doing a careful and thorough job. He has a solid and long track record for that.

    And yeah, by themselves, the American results don’t look so striking. In fact I’d hardly call that an increase — more like a leveling off.

    What is striking about the American results is the breakdown by cause, where you see how suicides and drug overdoses have surged. But you don’t notice that without digging into the data a bit.

  49. I hope Steve doesn’t intend on harping this issue, because it’s only going to encourage more idiot WNs to write unreadable screeds in support of some kind of revolution or whatever.

    • Replies: @dcite
    So you're another one who says white lives don't matter? Sad.
  50. @Vinay
    Sure, you can go with #whitelivesdontmatter as an explanation but there is a much simpler one. Unlike, say, a study showing blacks are incarcerated at a higher rate, this study is groundbreaking in highlighting something virtually unprecedented in all Western societies among any demographic. So a bit of skepticism by scientific journals indicates, not so much that the whites running these journals don't care about whites but, rather, that they don't care to have their reputations flushed down the toilet by falling for shoddy research or a hoax.

    And I think it's a safe bet that any reputable follow up research on this topic will come from generally left-leaning researchers, not from any of the ludicrous conservative think-tanks. And Steve will still be looking for intelligent reporting on the topic in the NYTimes and Washington Post, not the New York Post.

    On the contrary, groundbreaking work by a reputable researcher ought to be given a close examination by reviewers. It’s not like the purpose of major journals is only to publish inconsequential studies on well-known topics. JAMA rejected the paper within hours, so it obviously wasn’t reviewed.

  51. @Anonymous
    This data should open discussion on welfare reform. The welfare state isn't particularly generous in America but it's pretty good for middle aged whites lacking education. What percentage of middle aged whites in West Virginia or Kentucky are on permanent welfare (social security disability)? That's like giving cash every week to homeless people (what San Francisco did before reform). These welfare recipients just go out to buy legal drugs and kill themselves. Cut off the types of welfare Appalachians are known for abusing and mortality for this white sub-group declines.

    And some others who abuse the welfare in detriment of others who really needs it, who enjoyed as Youtube Chapter Jackson said “Free swipe yo EBT”.

    More videos about this subject.

    • Replies: @Hrw-500
    More videos, some "rotten apples" who abuse and are very addicted to welfare state, (should we call them "welfareholics"?)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFv-jYCiJvI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60KtCDJAf30
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH1ltKsfi_Y

    And those in really need of welfare paid the price for the faults of the rotten apples...*shrugs*....
    , @AndrewR
    Instead of Carson the GOP should run Ms. Jackson. Then again she's probably not 35 yet. Maybe in a cycle or two. I'd vote for her...
    , @Anonymous
    Hold on there will be plenty of chances on this blog to talk about the shiftless nature of blacks! (Talk about one track mind with you.)

    However, pertinent to this post is the serious question of whether the welfare state (specifically social security disability) excessively indulges lower education middle aged whites.
  52. @Hrw-500
    And some others who abuse the welfare in detriment of others who really needs it, who enjoyed as Youtube Chapter Jackson said "Free swipe yo EBT".
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII

    More videos about this subject.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrCkK0pCLVI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ-tvNbGy1M
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCP3b_a2Zoo

    More videos, some “rotten apples” who abuse and are very addicted to welfare state, (should we call them “welfareholics”?)

    And those in really need of welfare paid the price for the faults of the rotten apples…*shrugs*….

  53. @Flinders Petrie
    As viewed in this chart, this really is an astounding trend. There was some threshold event in 1998 that reversed the trend of declining death rates in only one population. What could have been so important that happened that year?

    Seinfeld ended

    • Replies: @Flinders Petrie
    I think you may be onto something.
  54. A huge factor is that the problem is concentrated among downscale, non-college-educated whites. In other words, people that academics and other statistics-manipulators are not likely to know personally. And the ones they (we) did know could be (were) written off as personal anecdotes, not realizing they had accumulated into data.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  55. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I wonder if any of the R candidates for prez. have the balls to so much as mention this study and what it means: neoliberal capitalism is murdering whole classes of people as surely as if they were machine-gunned on the side of the road.

    No, I don’t really wonder. All of them, and most of you, are so wholly owned by the global financial elite you can’t or won’t see that it’s not gay marriage or gun control that’s effectively killing our people. It’s capitalism itself. The whole system, root and branch, must be overthrown. Bernie Sanders talked passionately about this study and its implications on Chris Hayes’ show last night. Meanwhile the “mainstream” R’s blather on about giving massive tax breaks to Manhattan financiers; Carson talks about what the little people in his head told him about Jesus.

    The conservative movement has been fooling you idiots into tying your own nooses for 35 years now.

    • Replies: @Jack D

    Neoliberal capitalism is murdering whole classes of people as surely as if they were machine-gunned on the side of the road.....It’s capitalism itself. The whole system, root and branch, must be overthrown.
     
    Gee, it's funny - I seem to recall this guy named Marx who had the same idea, and then in a few places they decided to put his ideas into practice and it really didn't turn out that well. Not only was it really bad for the average person (so bad that they had to turn the places this was tried into giant prisons where no one was free to leave) but they really did end up machine gunning a lot of people. Not figuratively but literally murdering millions. Until those places gave up and went back to some form of market economy, but not before untold millions had died. Oops.

    So, maybe capitalism is like what Churchill said about democracy - it's the worst possible system, except for all the others.

    , @Stephen R. Diamond

    The whole system, root and branch, must be overthrown.
     
    Bernie Sanders doesn't intend to overthrow capitalism! He never claimed to.

    These people do claim to intend to: http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/11/04/pers-n04.html
  56. @BB753
    They were too focused on the War on Women to notice. Imagine lower middle class white women actually displaying similar dismal figures as white men! You'd never hear the end of it.

    White women with a high school education or less are in a similarly bad situation and nobody cares

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/06/25/whats-killing-the-less-educated-white-women-of-america/

    and that has been known since 2012

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/21/us/life-expectancy-for-less-educated-whites-in-us-is-shrinking.html

    • Replies: @IBC
    Yes, it's interesting how much attention this new study is getting when the same basic story has been out there since at least 2012. And those familiar with prescription drug abuse issues and the proliferation of meth, would have had some inkling even before that. Maybe there was less made of the story then out of deference to President Obama's reelection campaign or perhaps Nobel Prize winners are just better at publicity. This news is sad but not shocking.
  57. It WAS noticed. Question is, by whom and by whom not.

    The phenomenon was/is white men’s Rotherham.

    Studiously ignored by some while being desperately acknowledged by others.

  58. @JackOH
    Steve's explanation certainly meets a sort of minimum standard of plausibility. Former CBS correspondent Bernard Goldberg said in a radio interview that his story of blacks looting after a hurricane on a Caribbean island was spiked because it sent the wrong message.

    I've had some connection with the news business. It's entirely possible an editor would shun the story because the facts on their own rattle his cage, plus he'd fear a newsroom constituency advocating more coverage of "white issues". As Steve notes, there are more benign explanations.

    An organization caring about the well-being of whites would be a very tough political sell. (Think about labor unions and their struggle with Communist and Mafia infiltration.) "Unz Review" seems to be doing a good job of establishing the shared premises for such an organization.

    The phenomenon of suicide (achieved and attempted, direct and indirect) among rural and small town whites around here was noted in comments sections of MSM outlets in discussions of meth or crime or poverty. These comments were occasionally allowed but usually modded out.

    In our local daily newsrag, when commenting was still open, vital, and interesting, it was noted often. They closed that down after a massive community outpouring against the local Occutards, and went over to a FB system. Comments dried up on everything. Today only a handful of stalwart souls still bother. Non-Cathedral comments are flagged and wiped.

    Ten years-ish ago a similar thing happened in the Euromedia with Rotherham.

    Commenters online had been noting concerns about what they were observing in their areas regarding Paki/Moozlimb sex crimes, trafficking, etc., for YEARS.

    I saw this at BBC, DM, even The Guardian (which eventually took them seriously enough to assign a reporter, who ended up breaking the story). This usually came up in comments on stories about immigration policy and crime.

    Their comments were usually removed. I watched this throughout the mid- to late Aughts.

    There was plenty of talk that the social services state apparatchiks, journalists, and others should have looked into, but didn’t. Because diversity worship = lucrative career. People took it public on comments boards because when they went to their local authorities, they were silenced and threatened for questioning the religion of Diversitopia.

    At this distance it was hard to know how to fit the northern UK comments into anything. You go looking for larger framings. You ask around. Nothing. The very institutions and organizations that are supposed to take that sort of observation and test it against reality deliberately decided not to do so. Instead, they create a false reality and get power inflicting and enforcing it.

    People in my circles surely talked about what was happening to white men of Boom, Generation Jones, and X, gathering over whiskey and beer, or at the high-power rifle line/clubhouse, or hunting camp to reflect on those lost in the previous year to overdoses, suicide, “accidents,” etc.

    Social workers and ministers in rural areas observed the death trend that everyone seems to be so ready to be astonished about at the present moment because a couple of academics finally decided they had enough in their 401(k) to risk telling the truth.

    High death trends among whites, especially males? Sanctified scats–we saw and talked about it all the time. This person needs help. That person needs a phone call or an invitation to a work party. Has anyone heard from the other person. So and so’s divorce, so and so’s joblessness, so and so’s disappearance. How can we get some food or gas to this guy or that guy without causing him shame. For god’s sake, don’t go to this agency or that one, don’t frame your issue this way, lie about it that way. Practice mendacity: it’s the state religion from cradle to grave.

    Once the “social workers” arrive, it’s all over. They can find all sorts of things to pathologize in the name of Helping. But somehow they never pathologize the Melanists’ behaviors or actions.

    When I awoke to the news of the Sept. 11 attacks, my very first thought was, “My god, white guys have finally had enough.”

    So, yeah–there was awareness of the thanatos taking root in whites’ hearts even that early. But I didn’t own a CNN. And so.

  59. @Kit
    Have you considered the fact that almost all of that rise occurred among lower class white people? Conservatives, among whom you number yourself, by definition think that poor people get what they deserve. If these people had wanted to live longer, they would have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.

    In order to see things like this, you have to be open to the idea that the system is rigged against anyone, of whatever skin color, who isn't a billionaire. Quit obsessing about how unfair it is to notice that people with darker skin than you have it rough and pay attention to how much we have eroded the safety net for everyone.

    pay attention to how much we have eroded the safety net for everyone.

    You can’t be serious.
    The “safety net” for today’s lower income folks and “poor” (not the same thing) is somehow LESS than what was available to previous generations?

  60. This is just the outcome of a long process that is affecting white Americans from the bottom up, kind of like diabetic neuropathy.

    First AA started to kick in around 1980 and for the first time in decades white male workforce participation began to decline. Then, amidst the destruction of the American family millions of white women led themselves and their families into poverty by following the feminist siren song (all of the poor white kids I grew up with had single mothers). Then there was NAFTA, free trade, the 90s, etc.

    I doubt it will turn around until it starts to hit the middle class, but I think that’s already happening. Opiate abuse was a major feature of post-Soviet Russia, too. Not just booze. The liver related deaths are likely due to Hep C from IV drug use as well as alcoholism — perhaps more so. From what I’ve seen, the boozers tend to live longer than the junkies for some reason or another. Probably because it takes a whole lot more effort to achieve fatal alcohol poisoning than it does to OD on opiates.

    I think Steve’s got a point about the link between disability claims and real disability outcomes. If you want to be disabled, you tend to become disabled. Conversely, if you want to be healthy you usually become healthier. I recently had to pass a bunch of strict physical tests for employment and I was highly motivated not to be unhealthy, so I passed without restrictions. In fact, my vision even turned out to be better than my last test some years ago, which was pretty surprising to me seeing as I’m in early middle age.

    So if a lot of middle aged people with no job prospects are going on disability in order to get by, a lot more of them will probably die, even if only because it will introduce them to drugs they didn’t have access to before.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    My very limited experience of affirmative action is that it's been gamed by Corporate America to favor white women over black men, which, I guess, corrupts AA's original intentions.

    I've read and heard some sketchy stuff that Corporate America will favor white women over white men on the theory that women will be less likely to present with salary demands, and their presumed lesser commitment to career means Boss Man will be less likely to hear footsteps. I recall reading that 10% of sales jobs were filled by women in 1970, and something like 60% today.

    About 1980 I'd applied for a sales job with a big consumer packaged goods firm. Classic entry-level business job that paid then about $25,000 a year, enough to think about marriage and starting a family. Today that job is handled by two young women working as independent contractors out of a van. Their pay? About $25,000 a year each around 2010 when I talked with one of them.

    I agree with anyone who says affirmative action for white women has likely had untold negative effects on the family, markets for romance and marriage, labor markets, expectations of males, etc.
  61. @Pseudonymic Handle
    White women with a high school education or less are in a similarly bad situation and nobody cares

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/06/25/whats-killing-the-less-educated-white-women-of-america/

    and that has been known since 2012

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/21/us/life-expectancy-for-less-educated-whites-in-us-is-shrinking.html

    Yes, it’s interesting how much attention this new study is getting when the same basic story has been out there since at least 2012. And those familiar with prescription drug abuse issues and the proliferation of meth, would have had some inkling even before that. Maybe there was less made of the story then out of deference to President Obama’s reelection campaign or perhaps Nobel Prize winners are just better at publicity. This news is sad but not shocking.

  62. @SteveO

    I thought we white guys believed in being tough and not making excuses.
     
    You've just explained part of the reason for the rise in white suicide rates and possibly drug abuse as well.

    1. White people are not brought up to think of themselves as oppressed. When things go wrong, they have less ability (not no ability, but less) to blame society for their ills.

    2. As Steve has mentioned before, black people on average have higher self-esteem than whites. That's a cushion against depression.

    3. White men over 40, especially those in the working class, were generally brought up in an environment where stoicism was strongly encouraged and asking for help was discouraged. In addition, men, especially older generations, were taught that being a good provider was the main domestic role of men in civilized society. Failure to live up to that goal means failure as a man - failure that they have been taught to believe is their own fault.

    So, yeah, white men of older generations were brought up to be tough, not complain and regard failure as their own fault.

    That's pretty much a recipe for depression, self-medication and self-destruction when things go badly wrong in ways that are beyond your control.

    That’s a pretty good summary of the factors involved in this phenomenon, although your choice of the age of 40 as some sort of generational watershed is unlikely to be accurate. First of all, I think this societal change has been relatively gradual over decades. If one were to graph “men who were raised to be stoic and not ask for help” against age cohorts, I think the line would be very straight over time. And I’m willing to bet that if there is some sort of watershed age cohort that it involves men who came of age before 1975, not men born during that year. Maybe you chose this number because it’s the conventional start of “middle age” although it doesn’t really correlate to a rapid change in the rate of change of anything besides maybe pro athlete retirement rates.

    I’m not trying to be pedantic but I do think it’s unhelpful to make artificial or exaggerated distinctions between age cohorts, or any other demographic group really…

    • Replies: @SteveO

    Maybe you chose this number because it’s the conventional start of “middle age” although it doesn’t really correlate to a rapid change in the rate of change of anything besides maybe pro athlete retirement rates.

    I’m not trying to be pedantic but I do think it’s unhelpful to make artificial or exaggerated distinctions between age cohorts, or any other demographic group really…
     
    Yes, I said "40" because it's more or less the start of middle age. What I meant is "older men" - exact age varying from person to person, and in some cases not applicable at all - and that's what I should have said, imprecise as it is.

    You're right, too, that distinctions between age cohorts are inexact, and it's an exaggeration to suggest that everyone between ages X and Y think or behave a certain way. I don't think that age cohort distinctions are artificial, though. There are real differences in the general attitudes of people from different generations, although an individual member of the cohort may not fit the mold.
  63. @Hrw-500
    And some others who abuse the welfare in detriment of others who really needs it, who enjoyed as Youtube Chapter Jackson said "Free swipe yo EBT".
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII

    More videos about this subject.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrCkK0pCLVI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ-tvNbGy1M
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCP3b_a2Zoo

    Instead of Carson the GOP should run Ms. Jackson. Then again she’s probably not 35 yet. Maybe in a cycle or two. I’d vote for her…

  64. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "A functioning society would start a crash program to get all our best scientists working to invent a painkiller that doesn’t turn people into zombies."

    The fact you apparently believe, that a "painkiller" synthesized by corporate America, would likely be less harmful to human health than opiates, is almost touching. It makes me feel young again, to bear witness to such optimism.

    Maybe you’d like to tackle the problem yourself, with magic herbs or fairy roots or something? Best of luck, we’re all counting on you.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "Maybe you’d like to tackle the problem yourself, with magic herbs or fairy roots or something? Best of luck, we’re all counting on you."

    You really don't get it, do you? Opiates are as good as it gets. Not every problem has a solution.
  65. @Anonymous
    He's not low IQ but I bet he is a low life. If he had family or friends that cared for him no way they would allow a 60 year old man to live alone in a shelter. But he has no friends and no family who want to take him in. Probably because he is a low life.

    We all have flaws, and certainly this guy’s flaws might be highly repellent to many people, but I think it’s a bit harsh to jump to the conclusion that he’s a “low life” based on the fact that he ended up in a homeless shelter. We don’t know his story. Plus, as another poster mentioned, hwyte folk are often too proud to ask for help, which may come with a reluctance to give it as well.

    Now I am a proud person but I’m not sure I could endure conditions like he describes in the article. Based on everything he wrote, I would have probably killed another resident and/or myself before two weeks had passed. But then again I wouldn’t try to take refuge in a WI homeless shelter for months on end either. If I really ended up without a pot to piss in I would hoof it to a warmer climate and live outside.

  66. @Anonymous
    A functioning society would start a crash program to get all our best scientists working to invent a painkiller that doesn't turn people into zombies.

    But of course we have so much else to worry about, like cops vs. blacks, transgender bathrooms, Marco Rubio's feelings about Darth Vader...

    Painkillers don’t turn normal people into zombies.

  67. @Anonymous
    He's not low IQ but I bet he is a low life. If he had family or friends that cared for him no way they would allow a 60 year old man to live alone in a shelter. But he has no friends and no family who want to take him in. Probably because he is a low life.

    No, that is not a fair assumption. Great numbers of decent people are alone. Often their parents, siblings (if they had any), and spouses are dead. If they moved away from their childhood home for work (of if that home has been rendered unrecognizable because of demographic upheaval), they can find themselves in places where they have no social connections late in life.

  68. @Jus' Sayin'...
    "Conservatives, among whom you number yourself, by definition think that poor people get what they deserve."

    If your definition of conservative is one who thinks that poor people get what they deserve your opinions aren't worth a smile pile of fresh dog excrement.

    Oh come on. No one here has said that all conservatives are heartless but you are being dishonest if you are claiming that heartlessness isn’t a very strong streak in mainstream conservatism. And please don’t play “no true scotsman.” Just take a look at the Fox News comments on any given article. I highly doubt that foxnews.com commenters are an unrepresentative sample of conservatives.

    • Replies: @SteveO
    I agree. Heartlessness, or at least skepticism about efforts to help poor people, has always been a component of conservatism. The thing that has changed is that, now, liberals have abandoned these people, too. The once-healthy balance between left and right has been lost on economic issues.

    The struggles of the working class used to be the principal cause of the left. By what voodoo were they seduced away from that worthy, if often misguided, preoccupation into obsessive focus on the familiar SJW issues of the 2010s? Perhaps it's because poor, working and lower-middle-class whites ended up on the wrong side in the culture wars, and thus in the enemy camp. Leftists are very good at holding grudges and giving no quarter. Perhaps it's also because so many liberals are newly rich and not interested in biting the corporate/globalist hand that feeds them.
    , @Brutusale
    And yet it's been documented by many sources that conservatives, evil bastards that they are, give far more to charity than liberals.
  69. @Bert
    I hope Steve doesn't intend on harping this issue, because it's only going to encourage more idiot WNs to write unreadable screeds in support of some kind of revolution or whatever.

    So you’re another one who says white lives don’t matter? Sad.

  70. @dave chamberlin
    As a fat white trash man in this age bracket who doesn't take care of himself I want to know too. SOMEBODY MUST BE TO BLAME!!!!

    But that’s just it dave. If you’re fat black or brown (or even yellow) trash, everyone not black, brown, or yellow, is held accountable for your obesity and lack of responsible behavior. I call fraud. Everybody would be responsible for their own choices.

  71. Some possible reasons:

    Dot Com crash after fake boom (2000-2004).

    Corporate restructurings, outsourcing, bad work environments (1990′s – ongoing).

    Real estate crash after fake boom (2007-2013).

    People having issues because they moved away from families to have jobs, and then had problems. It happened to me in 1999, it took me years to recover.

    Lack of community cohesion along with not living near families.

    Drug and alcohol abuse.

  72. @Kit
    Have you considered the fact that almost all of that rise occurred among lower class white people? Conservatives, among whom you number yourself, by definition think that poor people get what they deserve. If these people had wanted to live longer, they would have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.

    In order to see things like this, you have to be open to the idea that the system is rigged against anyone, of whatever skin color, who isn't a billionaire. Quit obsessing about how unfair it is to notice that people with darker skin than you have it rough and pay attention to how much we have eroded the safety net for everyone.

    Have you considered the fact that almost all of that rise occurred among lower class white people? Conservatives, among whom you number yourself, by definition think that poor people get what they deserve. If these people had wanted to live longer, they would have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.

    In order to see things like this, you have to be open to the idea that the system is rigged against anyone, of whatever skin color, who isn’t a billionaire. Quit obsessing about how unfair it is to notice that people with darker skin than you have it rough and pay attention to how much we have eroded the safety net for everyone.

    Not sure where you’re getting your idea of “conservatism” from, but it looks nothing like anything I or the conservatives I know believe. Maybe you’re confusing “neo-conservatism” (a movement of ex-Marxists) with “conservatism” and “paleo-conservatism”. Especially among Catholic conservatives, concerns about the BS monetary system, fiat currencies, usury, fractional reserve banking, and government-made monopolies rank high as things to focus on. And Catholic conservatives are the very LAST people who’d think that the poor “have it coming”; that’s a very Calvinist notion, a line of crap that brought us to the “Prosperity Gospel.” Catholics (orthodox ones, anyway) are the last type of people who buy into radical individualism (or radical collectivism. In Catholic thinking, it’s the family, neither the individual or the collective, that’s the keystone of civilization).

    But talking about all the stuff that’s plaguing the family, and the aforementioned economic issues that keep the 1% rich at the expense of everyone else involves talking about things some folks — the ones with all the power — deem unmentionable, that will get you kicked out of “polite society” for bringing up. So nothing will change.

  73. Maybe it’s diversity. Putnam says that diversity leads everyone in the society to withdraw into themselves.

    Minorities have always had to deal with diversity in the United States. But white people, except in the south, not so. So is the white death rate also higher where there is low diversity? How about North Dakota?

    Of course a confounding variable is that in those places unskilled whites can still get jobs.

  74. @AndrewR
    Seinfeld ended

    I think you may be onto something.

  75. @Robert Hume
    But why did not painkiller liberalization affect Hispanics as well? Less healthcare insurance possibly?

    That was my first thought: why whites and not U.S. blacks or Hispanics? And furthermore, why males? I’ve seen articles that claim that blacks and hispanics are denied pain meds in ER situations, compared to whites, but that wouldn’t explain the gender issue. Are white males more susceptible to opiate addiction, or perhaps to overdose?

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    It might be that northern tier peoples have developed a dissociative ability to cope with long winters and extended food shortage. That's the standard theory as I understand it. Could be correlated with opiate addiction.
  76. @E. Rekshun
    Why Wasn't the Big 1999-2002 Rise in Death Rate Among 45-54 Year Old Whites Noticed Until 2015?

    Yes, why? Hhhmmm. The red curve illustrating the 45-54 year old White death rate is so contradictory to all of the other curves that I wonder if there are some errors in the data or in the interpretation of the data (intentional or otherwise). I think there was some recent news stating that much of the published social science research couldn't be replicated.

    1. Deaton is a Nobel Prize winner, not your usual social science hack.
    2. These results don’t confirm some sort of leftist dogma (in fact contradict it), unlike most dubious social science results.
    3. We don’t have good statistics on a lot of things, but death isn’t one of them. Virtually 100% of deaths get recorded in government stats.

    • Agree: E. Rekshun
  77. There is no white identity and interest.

    On the contrary, there is a white identity, it’s just pathological. Whites know perfectly well they are to be held to much higher standards than non-whites, they know they have to worry about looking racist, and others don’t, etc. There are myriad cultural expectations of whites that there aren’t for non-whites, and whites know it.

    Have you considered the fact that almost all of that rise occurred among lower class white people? Conservatives, among whom you number yourself, by definition think that poor people get what they deserve. If these people had wanted to live longer, they would have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.

    Because, after all, it’s liberals like you who decide what Conservatives think.

    In order to see things like this, you have to be open to the idea that the system is rigged against anyone, of whatever skin color, who isn’t a billionaire.

    This makes no sense, when you think about it. Billionaires are such a small number of people that by definition, it’s silly to think “the system” is rigged against everyone else.

    Of course, I and many others on the right have been dragging the oligarch class for years, but you can’t see that when you’re a liberal.

    Quit obsessing about how unfair it is to notice that people with darker skin than you have it rough and pay attention to how much we have eroded the safety net for everyone.

    A big part of why the safety net has eroded for everyone is that NAMs suck the public coffers dry. I guess you’re one of the great mass of leftists who are too dumb to notice on their own that socialism works best in homogeneous European countries, and too pig-headed to be told.

    When I Google “white life expectancy declining” I get a 2012 NYT article “Life Spans Shrink for Least-Educated Whites in the U.S.”, so you cannot say there has been an embargo on news of health trends among U.S. whites that has just recently been broken.

    When I G**gle “Oh Woe Is Minorities” I get the phone book, not just one story, so you can’t say there is anything approaching balance in the news.

    Maybe white “men” should man up and quit complaining? I thought we white guys believed in being tough and not making excuses.

    We believe in personal responsibility and manly behavior don’t we?

    Or is that just for the “lazy” Men of Colour?

    Libs/trolls so dumb they can’t even make sense any more.

    Sure, you can go with #whitelivesdontmatter as an explanation but there is a much simpler one. Unlike, say, a study showing blacks are incarcerated at a higher rate, this study is groundbreaking in highlighting something virtually unprecedented in all Western societies among any demographic. So a bit of skepticism by scientific journals indicates, not so much that the whites running these journals don’t care about whites but, rather, that they don’t care to have their reputations flushed down the toilet by falling for shoddy research or a hoax.

    Riiight. They run around with their hair on fire over tendentious/ephemeral/probably bullshit sky’s falling on NAMs stories on a constant basis, but if it’s whites…

    But that doesn’t imply anything, amirite?

    And I think it’s a safe bet that any reputable follow up research on this topic will come from generally left-leaning researchers, not from any of the ludicrous conservative think-tanks. And Steve will still be looking for intelligent reporting on the topic in the NYTimes and Washington Post, not the New York Post.

    Left runs America, particularly academia, news at 11.

  78. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Kit
    Have you considered the fact that almost all of that rise occurred among lower class white people? Conservatives, among whom you number yourself, by definition think that poor people get what they deserve. If these people had wanted to live longer, they would have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.

    In order to see things like this, you have to be open to the idea that the system is rigged against anyone, of whatever skin color, who isn't a billionaire. Quit obsessing about how unfair it is to notice that people with darker skin than you have it rough and pay attention to how much we have eroded the safety net for everyone.

    Conservatives, among whom you number yourself, by definition think that poor people get what they deserve.

    I suspect that you’re just trolling, but there’s a big difference between saying that there’s a reason poor people are poor, and saying that poor people deserve to be poor.

    In fact, if you suspect that the root causes for poverty are mostly genetic, then it’s pretty easy to argue that they don’t deserve it, because they can’t help what genes they’re stuck with.

  79. @Flinders Petrie
    That was my first thought: why whites and not U.S. blacks or Hispanics? And furthermore, why males? I've seen articles that claim that blacks and hispanics are denied pain meds in ER situations, compared to whites, but that wouldn't explain the gender issue. Are white males more susceptible to opiate addiction, or perhaps to overdose?

    It might be that northern tier peoples have developed a dissociative ability to cope with long winters and extended food shortage. That’s the standard theory as I understand it. Could be correlated with opiate addiction.

  80. Simple answers to simple questions: Liberals don’t give a shit about white people, and conservatives don’t give a shit about poor people.

    I was going to use the analogy of Robin Hood saying to his victims that they don’t care about poor people.

    But it’s not really an analogy, is it?

    Liberals don’t give a shit about poor people, either. If the poor all became rich, leftists would have to scramble for a new excuse for their statist robbery. Leftists need a large underclass.

    Didn’t I read somewhere (like a thousand times) that conservatives give more to charity than liberals do?

    Why yes, yes I did.

    I hope Steve doesn’t intend on harping this issue, because it’s only going to encourage more idiot WNs to write unreadable screeds in support of some kind of revolution or whatever.

    Yes, this is really a giant problem in the world. Fortunately, people like you, brimming with compassion, are here to fix it.

    No, I don’t really wonder. All of them, and most of you, are so wholly owned by the global financial elite you can’t or won’t see that it’s not gay marriage or gun control that’s effectively killing our people. It’s capitalism itself. The whole system, root and branch, must be overthrown. Bernie Sanders talked passionately about this study and its implications on Chris Hayes’ show last night. Meanwhile the “mainstream” R’s blather on about giving massive tax breaks to Manhattan financiers; Carson talks about what the little people in his head told him about Jesus.

    The conservative movement has been fooling you idiots into tying your own nooses for 35 years now.

    Funny how much better socialism works in homogeneous European countries, and how berserk liberals get when you mention this. Almost as if they don’t want socialism to work…

    Educating leftists is hard work. They’re just so stupid and willfully ignorant.

    I highly doubt that foxnews.com commenters are an unrepresentative sample of conservatives.

    Why would you doubt that?

  81. @Flinders Petrie
    As viewed in this chart, this really is an astounding trend. There was some threshold event in 1998 that reversed the trend of declining death rates in only one population. What could have been so important that happened that year?

    Can’t say it is relevant; but I remember President Clinton and Lewensky scandal being the most important political topic for a couple of years. Then there was the big dotcom blowout and finally 9/11 that closed the chapter on postwar “Great America”, we stopped “winning” (at least per Trump) and the era of diminished expectation started.

  82. @AndrewR
    Oh come on. No one here has said that all conservatives are heartless but you are being dishonest if you are claiming that heartlessness isn't a very strong streak in mainstream conservatism. And please don't play "no true scotsman." Just take a look at the Fox News comments on any given article. I highly doubt that foxnews.com commenters are an unrepresentative sample of conservatives.

    I agree. Heartlessness, or at least skepticism about efforts to help poor people, has always been a component of conservatism. The thing that has changed is that, now, liberals have abandoned these people, too. The once-healthy balance between left and right has been lost on economic issues.

    The struggles of the working class used to be the principal cause of the left. By what voodoo were they seduced away from that worthy, if often misguided, preoccupation into obsessive focus on the familiar SJW issues of the 2010s? Perhaps it’s because poor, working and lower-middle-class whites ended up on the wrong side in the culture wars, and thus in the enemy camp. Leftists are very good at holding grudges and giving no quarter. Perhaps it’s also because so many liberals are newly rich and not interested in biting the corporate/globalist hand that feeds them.

    • Agree: AndrewR
  83. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Hrw-500
    And some others who abuse the welfare in detriment of others who really needs it, who enjoyed as Youtube Chapter Jackson said "Free swipe yo EBT".
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII

    More videos about this subject.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrCkK0pCLVI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ-tvNbGy1M
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCP3b_a2Zoo

    Hold on there will be plenty of chances on this blog to talk about the shiftless nature of blacks! (Talk about one track mind with you.)

    However, pertinent to this post is the serious question of whether the welfare state (specifically social security disability) excessively indulges lower education middle aged whites.

  84. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Marc
    "There is no white identity and interest".

    This individualism seems to be a hardwired into people of Western and Northern European descent. Atavism develops as a societal survival mechanism after demographic encroachment negatively effects the lives of the majority, particularly those with more political and economic clout.

    The low trust culture of Southern Europe developed after centuries of immigration/cohabitation with those from the Near East, and it may take several more decades of dealing with the ill-effects brought on by large scale invasion before Westerners in sizable numbers realize survival requires the adoption of a new mindset. Europeans who were far more inculcated by the New Left than Americans are embracing ethnonationalism and further right politics in large numbers over a relatively short period of time.

    Social engineering/conditioning works until it no longer serves one's interests it and is contradicted by daily reality. Shaming people for being "racists" has been losing it's impact over the last eight years, and SWPL status-signalling is becoming less impressive and more transparently approval-seeking with each passing day.

    In northern europe in several decades every white family will at least have one non-white family member. The new mindset then can’t be a resurgence in white identity. Europe in 2050 might become quite firmly anti-immigration but it won’t be white nationalist because maybe a tenth or a quarter of the young by then will be mixed race.

  85. @Kit
    Have you considered the fact that almost all of that rise occurred among lower class white people? Conservatives, among whom you number yourself, by definition think that poor people get what they deserve. If these people had wanted to live longer, they would have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.

    In order to see things like this, you have to be open to the idea that the system is rigged against anyone, of whatever skin color, who isn't a billionaire. Quit obsessing about how unfair it is to notice that people with darker skin than you have it rough and pay attention to how much we have eroded the safety net for everyone.

    If these people had wanted to live longer, they would have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.

    When people of any color behave in a self-destructive way, I don’t think its wrong to assign blame to them, nor is it right to assign all of their bad behavior to societal forces. This whole “non-judgmental” thing hasn’t really been that good for our society. People who drink or take drugs (not to mention kill themselves) certainly have a hand in their own destruction, regardless of what societal forces are at play. They are the authors of their own destruction, whether they are black or brown or white trash. Warren Buffet didn’t make you drink that foty. Bill Gates is not the one making you snort meth. Carlos Slim didn’t put that gun in your hand.

    The economy hasn’t been great for people at the lower end of the economic scale – globalization and the import of lots of immigrant labor has meant that wages (adjusted for inflation) haven’t risen for decades now. But your money goes a lot further if you aren’t snorting it up your nose, wouldn’t you say? You’re more likely to hold down a job if you don’t drink a six-pack before breakfast, no?

    • Replies: @Discard
    86. Jack D: I am a White working class man, a welder and general metal worker. When the jobs went away, I did not put my money up my nose, nor drink a six pack before breakfast. I went to college in middle age and became a teacher for several years, until I was laid off. I then went to trade school and now am working in a shop repairing small machines. OTOH, my best friend kept on welding for ever shrinking paychecks, eventually having to move back in with his parents, in his 40s. When they died, he turned full time alcoholic and was dead within a year of acute alcohol poisoning. He really died of despair, having finished his obligation to his parents.

    I am a lot smarter and better educated than most of my old co-workers, and I am sensible enough to recognize that my winning the IQ lottery was a matter of luck, not virtue. My wife has two post-graduate degrees and could support me as I got myself re-tooled. Most workingmen do not have the advantages that I and probably everybody who comments here do. Sneering at honest workingmen with IQs of 100 is easy when you were born bright, just as kicking ass on 5'4" 130 lb men is easy if you're 6'2" and 190 lb, and every bit as admirable.
  86. @Anonymous
    I wonder if any of the R candidates for prez. have the balls to so much as mention this study and what it means: neoliberal capitalism is murdering whole classes of people as surely as if they were machine-gunned on the side of the road.

    No, I don't really wonder. All of them, and most of you, are so wholly owned by the global financial elite you can't or won't see that it's not gay marriage or gun control that's effectively killing our people. It's capitalism itself. The whole system, root and branch, must be overthrown. Bernie Sanders talked passionately about this study and its implications on Chris Hayes' show last night. Meanwhile the "mainstream" R's blather on about giving massive tax breaks to Manhattan financiers; Carson talks about what the little people in his head told him about Jesus.

    The conservative movement has been fooling you idiots into tying your own nooses for 35 years now.

    Neoliberal capitalism is murdering whole classes of people as surely as if they were machine-gunned on the side of the road…..It’s capitalism itself. The whole system, root and branch, must be overthrown.

    Gee, it’s funny – I seem to recall this guy named Marx who had the same idea, and then in a few places they decided to put his ideas into practice and it really didn’t turn out that well. Not only was it really bad for the average person (so bad that they had to turn the places this was tried into giant prisons where no one was free to leave) but they really did end up machine gunning a lot of people. Not figuratively but literally murdering millions. Until those places gave up and went back to some form of market economy, but not before untold millions had died. Oops.

    So, maybe capitalism is like what Churchill said about democracy – it’s the worst possible system, except for all the others.

    • Replies: @anon
    We don't have capitalism we have a corporate oligarchy effectively murdering large numbers of citizens with their policies and trying to cover it up...


    hence the mass deflection tactics in the threads.

    PROTECT THE NARRATIVE!

  87. @AndrewR
    That's a pretty good summary of the factors involved in this phenomenon, although your choice of the age of 40 as some sort of generational watershed is unlikely to be accurate. First of all, I think this societal change has been relatively gradual over decades. If one were to graph "men who were raised to be stoic and not ask for help" against age cohorts, I think the line would be very straight over time. And I'm willing to bet that if there is some sort of watershed age cohort that it involves men who came of age before 1975, not men born during that year. Maybe you chose this number because it's the conventional start of "middle age" although it doesn't really correlate to a rapid change in the rate of change of anything besides maybe pro athlete retirement rates.

    I'm not trying to be pedantic but I do think it's unhelpful to make artificial or exaggerated distinctions between age cohorts, or any other demographic group really...

    Maybe you chose this number because it’s the conventional start of “middle age” although it doesn’t really correlate to a rapid change in the rate of change of anything besides maybe pro athlete retirement rates.

    I’m not trying to be pedantic but I do think it’s unhelpful to make artificial or exaggerated distinctions between age cohorts, or any other demographic group really…

    Yes, I said “40″ because it’s more or less the start of middle age. What I meant is “older men” – exact age varying from person to person, and in some cases not applicable at all – and that’s what I should have said, imprecise as it is.

    You’re right, too, that distinctions between age cohorts are inexact, and it’s an exaggeration to suggest that everyone between ages X and Y think or behave a certain way. I don’t think that age cohort distinctions are artificial, though. There are real differences in the general attitudes of people from different generations, although an individual member of the cohort may not fit the mold.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Oh absolutely there are statistically significant differences between different generations in attitudes, wealth, health, etc. One clear example is that survey a few years ago that showed that young adults in the most socially conservative states were more likely to support gay marriage than senior citizens in the most liberal states. So I certainly don't object to generational comparisons per se. My point was that the American cultural revolution was so long ago that there are middle-aged people now who were born after its peak. So age-based stereotypes that were pretty accurate 20 or 30 years ago (ie "men over 40 were mostly raised to be stoic") are now pretty dated.

    Again, I apologize for nitpicking because your original comment was really solid in spelling out important cultural factors that distinguish older white American men compared to other demographic groups.

  88. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    First AA started to kick in around 1980…

    I think AA started to kick in a few years earlier, but basically, yeah.

    Someone 18 in 1970 would have turned 50 in 2002.

    These were the first bottom-of-society white men to ‘become old’ who had lived their entire lives under AA (and of course with the rest of the modern mix that undercut them — open immigration eliminating the stoop-labor type jobs, cheap available drugs, sexual promiscuity and diseases, closing down the psychiatric institutions, etc..). So maybe they just started dying.

    It would be interesting to know more specifics about those who died. Are we talking homeless druggie/alcohol bums (the ex-hippie children burned-out) or Joe Sixpack the working stiff?

    • Replies: @anonymous

    It would be interesting to know more specifics about those who died. Are we talking homeless druggie/alcohol bums (the ex-hippie children burned-out) or Joe Sixpack the working stiff?
     
    One problem in hashing that out is that it seems that many who could, or should, have been in the latter category shifted over to the first. Thus the bummy types don't get any sympathy and are seen as 'having it coming' anyway. Downward mobility is one of the problems here.
  89. @Anonymous
    I wonder if any of the R candidates for prez. have the balls to so much as mention this study and what it means: neoliberal capitalism is murdering whole classes of people as surely as if they were machine-gunned on the side of the road.

    No, I don't really wonder. All of them, and most of you, are so wholly owned by the global financial elite you can't or won't see that it's not gay marriage or gun control that's effectively killing our people. It's capitalism itself. The whole system, root and branch, must be overthrown. Bernie Sanders talked passionately about this study and its implications on Chris Hayes' show last night. Meanwhile the "mainstream" R's blather on about giving massive tax breaks to Manhattan financiers; Carson talks about what the little people in his head told him about Jesus.

    The conservative movement has been fooling you idiots into tying your own nooses for 35 years now.

    The whole system, root and branch, must be overthrown.

    Bernie Sanders doesn’t intend to overthrow capitalism! He never claimed to.

    These people do claim to intend to: http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/11/04/pers-n04.html

  90. @Vinay
    Sure, you can go with #whitelivesdontmatter as an explanation but there is a much simpler one. Unlike, say, a study showing blacks are incarcerated at a higher rate, this study is groundbreaking in highlighting something virtually unprecedented in all Western societies among any demographic. So a bit of skepticism by scientific journals indicates, not so much that the whites running these journals don't care about whites but, rather, that they don't care to have their reputations flushed down the toilet by falling for shoddy research or a hoax.

    And I think it's a safe bet that any reputable follow up research on this topic will come from generally left-leaning researchers, not from any of the ludicrous conservative think-tanks. And Steve will still be looking for intelligent reporting on the topic in the NYTimes and Washington Post, not the New York Post.

    > intelligent reporting on the topic in the NYTimes and Washington Post

    it’s reporting, anyway:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-white-working-class-is-a-dying-breed/2015/11/04/f2220170-8323-11e5-a7ca-6ab6ec20f839_story.html

    The news this week that the death rate of middle-aged American whites — more particularly, working-class middle-aged American whites — is rising, while that of all other Americans continues to fall, is appalling.

  91. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    AA (affirmative action) is a factor that might be different in the US and Europe. Presumably AA effectively amplified disadvantaged whites disadvantages.

    Is it possible that US emergency room care (or hospital availability to down-and-out white american winos) has become worse than in European nations? We are always hearing in California about emergency rooms that are overflowing with illegals or hospitals that have to close because they can’t afford to provide all the “emergency” care they are legally mandated to provide.

  92. @Flinders Petrie
    As viewed in this chart, this really is an astounding trend. There was some threshold event in 1998 that reversed the trend of declining death rates in only one population. What could have been so important that happened that year?

    during recessions the suicide rate for whites always goes up…while it remains steady for Blacks and women. White men have a responsibility to be the breadwinners , we are raised this way. Thus the loss of work effects whites more than Blacks or Females. the early 90s recession and the early 80s recession shows an increase in death rates for white men. unfortunately the 2000 recession was followed by a jobless recovery while the migrant invasion continued to lower wages.

    White working class men have been a recessionary environment since 1999 , to make matters worse they have seen many of their jobs taken over by an invasion on third world migrants who are happy to work at lower wages, which are still much higher than in their native nations. The migrants also change their neighborhoods, push up the cost of housing etc…Add in the easy access to opiates and cheap heroin imported by the Mexican cartels and we now see the results. It may be what the elites hoped for, to get rid of the one group of people they have trouble controlling.

    The media will always ignore any discussion about the problem of white males, since it goes against their narrative of “white privilege” and they want to avoid discussing the negative consequences of feminism and immigrations. Not surprising they failed to notice , because then people may notice the agenda they have been promoting does have negative consequences.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  93. it’s reporting, anyway

    In some ways at least, more intelligent than what can be found coming from conservatives:

    The white working class’s loss of jobs and incomes was spurred by its loss of power: The nearly complete deunionization of the private sector left those workers with no way to bargain for better pensions or pay.

    But the right is against unions! (No rightist here seems to have even brought up deunionization.)

    • Replies: @Jack D
    You could just as well argue that unions were one of the CAUSES of our deindustrialization. If employers had been able to pay market wages instead of those extorted by union thugs, then a lot of manufacturing would not have moved overseas in order to get beyond their reach. One reason union membership has declined so much is because many companies in heavily unionized industries have gone bankrupt - the auto companies, steel companies, coal companies, railroads, etc. The parasite weakens and sometimes kills its host. You have a handful of union guys who benefit richly but you don't see the thousands of men who don't have jobs at all because of them.
  94. I don’t know if it’s relevant but Glasgow has long had very low life expectancy for males.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_effect

    Eating deep-fried pizza is not limited to Glasgow and much of the city is OK. Dundee is the worst place in Scotland closely followed by Cumbernauld.

    • Replies: @5371
    Whisky and heroin not irrelevant.
    , @Ivy
    The deep-fried pizza may be a Methadone-like treatment to wean Scots off their haggis addiction.
  95. @22pp22
    I don't know if it's relevant but Glasgow has long had very low life expectancy for males.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_effect

    Eating deep-fried pizza is not limited to Glasgow and much of the city is OK. Dundee is the worst place in Scotland closely followed by Cumbernauld.

    Whisky and heroin not irrelevant.

    • Replies: @22pp22
    Then why is it not the Dundee effect? And large parts of Edinburgh are nasty, you just have to know where they are.
  96. @Bill P
    This is just the outcome of a long process that is affecting white Americans from the bottom up, kind of like diabetic neuropathy.

    First AA started to kick in around 1980 and for the first time in decades white male workforce participation began to decline. Then, amidst the destruction of the American family millions of white women led themselves and their families into poverty by following the feminist siren song (all of the poor white kids I grew up with had single mothers). Then there was NAFTA, free trade, the 90s, etc.

    I doubt it will turn around until it starts to hit the middle class, but I think that's already happening. Opiate abuse was a major feature of post-Soviet Russia, too. Not just booze. The liver related deaths are likely due to Hep C from IV drug use as well as alcoholism -- perhaps more so. From what I've seen, the boozers tend to live longer than the junkies for some reason or another. Probably because it takes a whole lot more effort to achieve fatal alcohol poisoning than it does to OD on opiates.

    I think Steve's got a point about the link between disability claims and real disability outcomes. If you want to be disabled, you tend to become disabled. Conversely, if you want to be healthy you usually become healthier. I recently had to pass a bunch of strict physical tests for employment and I was highly motivated not to be unhealthy, so I passed without restrictions. In fact, my vision even turned out to be better than my last test some years ago, which was pretty surprising to me seeing as I'm in early middle age.

    So if a lot of middle aged people with no job prospects are going on disability in order to get by, a lot more of them will probably die, even if only because it will introduce them to drugs they didn't have access to before.

    My very limited experience of affirmative action is that it’s been gamed by Corporate America to favor white women over black men, which, I guess, corrupts AA’s original intentions.

    I’ve read and heard some sketchy stuff that Corporate America will favor white women over white men on the theory that women will be less likely to present with salary demands, and their presumed lesser commitment to career means Boss Man will be less likely to hear footsteps. I recall reading that 10% of sales jobs were filled by women in 1970, and something like 60% today.

    About 1980 I’d applied for a sales job with a big consumer packaged goods firm. Classic entry-level business job that paid then about $25,000 a year, enough to think about marriage and starting a family. Today that job is handled by two young women working as independent contractors out of a van. Their pay? About $25,000 a year each around 2010 when I talked with one of them.

    I agree with anyone who says affirmative action for white women has likely had untold negative effects on the family, markets for romance and marriage, labor markets, expectations of males, etc.

  97. @Jack D

    Neoliberal capitalism is murdering whole classes of people as surely as if they were machine-gunned on the side of the road.....It’s capitalism itself. The whole system, root and branch, must be overthrown.
     
    Gee, it's funny - I seem to recall this guy named Marx who had the same idea, and then in a few places they decided to put his ideas into practice and it really didn't turn out that well. Not only was it really bad for the average person (so bad that they had to turn the places this was tried into giant prisons where no one was free to leave) but they really did end up machine gunning a lot of people. Not figuratively but literally murdering millions. Until those places gave up and went back to some form of market economy, but not before untold millions had died. Oops.

    So, maybe capitalism is like what Churchill said about democracy - it's the worst possible system, except for all the others.

    We don’t have capitalism we have a corporate oligarchy effectively murdering large numbers of citizens with their policies and trying to cover it up…

    hence the mass deflection tactics in the threads.

    PROTECT THE NARRATIVE!

    • Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond

    We don’t have capitalism we have a corporate oligarchy effectively murdering large numbers of citizens with their policies and trying to cover it up…
     
    What makes you think there's a contradiction between the two: having capitalism and having a murderous corporate oligarchy? The first seems to lead inexorably to the second.
  98. @Stephen R. Diamond

    it’s reporting, anyway
     
    In some ways at least, more intelligent than what can be found coming from conservatives:

    The white working class’s loss of jobs and incomes was spurred by its loss of power: The nearly complete deunionization of the private sector left those workers with no way to bargain for better pensions or pay.
     
    But the right is against unions! (No rightist here seems to have even brought up deunionization.)

    You could just as well argue that unions were one of the CAUSES of our deindustrialization. If employers had been able to pay market wages instead of those extorted by union thugs, then a lot of manufacturing would not have moved overseas in order to get beyond their reach. One reason union membership has declined so much is because many companies in heavily unionized industries have gone bankrupt – the auto companies, steel companies, coal companies, railroads, etc. The parasite weakens and sometimes kills its host. You have a handful of union guys who benefit richly but you don’t see the thousands of men who don’t have jobs at all because of them.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @IBC
    You're right that unions can become greedy and I've enjoyed personal experience with some of the apathetic performance that certain union employees can get away with. But what determines "market wages" in an open shop industry? You're aware of some of this blog's themes, no? The meat packing industry is one example.
    , @anon

    One reason union membership has declined so much is because many companies in heavily unionized industries have gone bankrupt
     
    Wall St. crooks changed the rules on hostile takeovers and people like Milken with his junk bonds chased all the jobs out of the US under threat of takeover if they didn't.
    , @SteveO
    The big manufacturing unions were corrupt and often thuggish. They were bloody-minded at times when a degree of compromise in light of changing economic conditions would have benefited workers more in the long term. Some were infiltrated by Communists in the 1930s and 40s. Decades later, many unions betrayed their mission by rigidly protecting their existing membership at the expense of younger workers.

    But ...

    Those "extortionate" wages and benefits are what made modest working-class prosperity and a sense of community and security possible for millions of Americans. What are "market wages"? The lowest possible wage you can pay and still find workers? Similar wages in the US to those you would pay in China because otherwise you'll move all the jobs there? Unions, for all their many faults, stood as a balance to the unrestrained greed of an uncontrolled labor market. We pretty much have the latter now. How's that working out?
    , @Das
    That's stupid. If the US had stronger labor unions, NAFTA and other free trade agreements never would have passed in the first place, so we'd have more manufacturing jobs left.

    The collapse of American private sector unions, driven by Taft-Hartley and other anti-union laws, has been really bad for the white working class on many levels.

    The most obvious is that fewer unionized jobs means lower wages and benefits. But it also means that the Democratic party, which used to have to listen to white working class interests, now only has to pay attention to the interests of wealthy social liberals and minority activists.

    So whereas the Democratic party of the 1950s would have fought tooth and nail against NAFTA, by the 90s we had Clinton and Gore forcing it on the country.
  99. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Re Annnonnn’s “root and branch” impulse:

    Leftist True Believers never, ever! actually move to the hellholes that their ideology created. Chavez’ Venezuela should have triggered an exodus to that promised land. No takers.

    Plenty of anarchic lands are out there across the world today just ready and waiting for the really cool kids, the anarchists from say Seattle, to emigrate. No takers.

  100. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    First AA started to kick in around 1980...

    I think AA started to kick in a few years earlier, but basically, yeah.

    Someone 18 in 1970 would have turned 50 in 2002.

    These were the first bottom-of-society white men to 'become old' who had lived their entire lives under AA (and of course with the rest of the modern mix that undercut them -- open immigration eliminating the stoop-labor type jobs, cheap available drugs, sexual promiscuity and diseases, closing down the psychiatric institutions, etc..). So maybe they just started dying.

    It would be interesting to know more specifics about those who died. Are we talking homeless druggie/alcohol bums (the ex-hippie children burned-out) or Joe Sixpack the working stiff?

    It would be interesting to know more specifics about those who died. Are we talking homeless druggie/alcohol bums (the ex-hippie children burned-out) or Joe Sixpack the working stiff?

    One problem in hashing that out is that it seems that many who could, or should, have been in the latter category shifted over to the first. Thus the bummy types don’t get any sympathy and are seen as ‘having it coming’ anyway. Downward mobility is one of the problems here.

  101. I finally got round to reading the Case-Deaton paper. Maybe I missed something – I’m getting to be a lazy reader – but it seemed to me that the paper left a large part of the phenomena unexplained.

    There are really two striking aspects of the data:

    a) from 1999 to 2013 the death rate of US non-Hispanic White males aged 45-54 increased

    b) in all other comparator groups (various rich countries; US Hispanics; US non-Hispanic blacks) death rates for the same age group substantially fell.

    Of these two aspects, (b) is quantitatively much greater. The increase (a) was about 40 deaths per 100,000, whereas the decline (b) was more than twice as great.

    Both aspects need to be considered. So far as US Whites are concerned, the puzzle is not just why mortality actually increased, but why this group uniquely failed to benefit from the decline experienced by other groups. The authors give a reasonable explanation for the increase as such: it can be quantitatively accounted for by an increase in certain specific causes of death such as drug overdoses and suicides. But the same factors don’t seem adequate to explain the second puzzle. Logically, they might: it is possible that in the comparator groups there was previously a high death rate from drugs, etc, which has dramatically fallen, whereas among US Whites it has risen. But this doesn’t seem very likely.

    I think the only approach to elucidate the second puzzle would be to take a close look at the trends in all causes of death (e.g. cancer, heart attacks, and occupational accidents) among both US Whites and the comparator groups, and identify which elements have failed to decline among US Whites (and more specifically, poorly-educated ones).

    • Replies: @anon
    Off-shoring + mass immigration + affirmative action.

    Which group got crushed in that vice?

    http://amigalounge.com/images/ManufacturingEmployment-1-1-1.jpg

    To anyone who's seen what happened in rust belt towns over the last 30 years this is all so ****ing obvious and yet there's this bafflement - genuine or dishonest i don't know - which if honest is a testament to the media's massive cover up of what has been going on.
  102. @SteveO

    Maybe you chose this number because it’s the conventional start of “middle age” although it doesn’t really correlate to a rapid change in the rate of change of anything besides maybe pro athlete retirement rates.

    I’m not trying to be pedantic but I do think it’s unhelpful to make artificial or exaggerated distinctions between age cohorts, or any other demographic group really…
     
    Yes, I said "40" because it's more or less the start of middle age. What I meant is "older men" - exact age varying from person to person, and in some cases not applicable at all - and that's what I should have said, imprecise as it is.

    You're right, too, that distinctions between age cohorts are inexact, and it's an exaggeration to suggest that everyone between ages X and Y think or behave a certain way. I don't think that age cohort distinctions are artificial, though. There are real differences in the general attitudes of people from different generations, although an individual member of the cohort may not fit the mold.

    Oh absolutely there are statistically significant differences between different generations in attitudes, wealth, health, etc. One clear example is that survey a few years ago that showed that young adults in the most socially conservative states were more likely to support gay marriage than senior citizens in the most liberal states. So I certainly don’t object to generational comparisons per se. My point was that the American cultural revolution was so long ago that there are middle-aged people now who were born after its peak. So age-based stereotypes that were pretty accurate 20 or 30 years ago (ie “men over 40 were mostly raised to be stoic”) are now pretty dated.

    Again, I apologize for nitpicking because your original comment was really solid in spelling out important cultural factors that distinguish older white American men compared to other demographic groups.

  103. Labor Force Participation Rate Hits All-Time Low for American Men today

    after setting an all time low in each of the last 15 years. This trend of males dropping out of the labor force may be related to the rising death rate of white males as immigrants continue getting most of the jobs in the US.

    For men 16 and over the labor participation rate figure was 68%. That’s the lowest on record. The records of the Labor Department began in 1948.

    for men over 20 we also hit a record low falling to 71%

  104. @22pp22
    I don't know if it's relevant but Glasgow has long had very low life expectancy for males.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_effect

    Eating deep-fried pizza is not limited to Glasgow and much of the city is OK. Dundee is the worst place in Scotland closely followed by Cumbernauld.

    The deep-fried pizza may be a Methadone-like treatment to wean Scots off their haggis addiction.

  105. @Jean Cocteausten
    Maybe you'd like to tackle the problem yourself, with magic herbs or fairy roots or something? Best of luck, we're all counting on you.

    “Maybe you’d like to tackle the problem yourself, with magic herbs or fairy roots or something? Best of luck, we’re all counting on you.”

    You really don’t get it, do you? Opiates are as good as it gets. Not every problem has a solution.

  106. @Jack D
    You could just as well argue that unions were one of the CAUSES of our deindustrialization. If employers had been able to pay market wages instead of those extorted by union thugs, then a lot of manufacturing would not have moved overseas in order to get beyond their reach. One reason union membership has declined so much is because many companies in heavily unionized industries have gone bankrupt - the auto companies, steel companies, coal companies, railroads, etc. The parasite weakens and sometimes kills its host. You have a handful of union guys who benefit richly but you don't see the thousands of men who don't have jobs at all because of them.

    You’re right that unions can become greedy and I’ve enjoyed personal experience with some of the apathetic performance that certain union employees can get away with. But what determines “market wages” in an open shop industry? You’re aware of some of this blog’s themes, no? The meat packing industry is one example.

    • Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond
    I question that anyone against unions cares in the least about white workers. Anti-unionists are apparently more concerned about defending the rich than advancing whites.

    If that seems harsh, consider that JackD's concern with "union thugs" is unmatched by any concern about employer thugs - and no doubt about it, the main thugs of the employers are the cops, who have always intervened on the side of capital.

    If the "solution" to deindustrialization is low wages, then who cares about deindustrialization? Opposition to deindustrialization then amounts (in JackD's case, for example) to defending the rich and promoting the autocratic control of corporate capital over the lives of workers.

    Ultimately, the only solution to deindustrialization is socialism. Get rid of the billionaire parasites!
  107. Over at Carlos Slim’s paper, the commenters are mostly dancing a jig about the deaths of their political enemies. Blaming listening to Rush, Fox News, and the GOP. Would most working class whites still have been voting for democrats during the years this trend started?

  108. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    You could just as well argue that unions were one of the CAUSES of our deindustrialization. If employers had been able to pay market wages instead of those extorted by union thugs, then a lot of manufacturing would not have moved overseas in order to get beyond their reach. One reason union membership has declined so much is because many companies in heavily unionized industries have gone bankrupt - the auto companies, steel companies, coal companies, railroads, etc. The parasite weakens and sometimes kills its host. You have a handful of union guys who benefit richly but you don't see the thousands of men who don't have jobs at all because of them.

    One reason union membership has declined so much is because many companies in heavily unionized industries have gone bankrupt

    Wall St. crooks changed the rules on hostile takeovers and people like Milken with his junk bonds chased all the jobs out of the US under threat of takeover if they didn’t.

  109. @Jack D
    You could just as well argue that unions were one of the CAUSES of our deindustrialization. If employers had been able to pay market wages instead of those extorted by union thugs, then a lot of manufacturing would not have moved overseas in order to get beyond their reach. One reason union membership has declined so much is because many companies in heavily unionized industries have gone bankrupt - the auto companies, steel companies, coal companies, railroads, etc. The parasite weakens and sometimes kills its host. You have a handful of union guys who benefit richly but you don't see the thousands of men who don't have jobs at all because of them.

    The big manufacturing unions were corrupt and often thuggish. They were bloody-minded at times when a degree of compromise in light of changing economic conditions would have benefited workers more in the long term. Some were infiltrated by Communists in the 1930s and 40s. Decades later, many unions betrayed their mission by rigidly protecting their existing membership at the expense of younger workers.

    But …

    Those “extortionate” wages and benefits are what made modest working-class prosperity and a sense of community and security possible for millions of Americans. What are “market wages”? The lowest possible wage you can pay and still find workers? Similar wages in the US to those you would pay in China because otherwise you’ll move all the jobs there? Unions, for all their many faults, stood as a balance to the unrestrained greed of an uncontrolled labor market. We pretty much have the latter now. How’s that working out?

  110. @IBC
    You're right that unions can become greedy and I've enjoyed personal experience with some of the apathetic performance that certain union employees can get away with. But what determines "market wages" in an open shop industry? You're aware of some of this blog's themes, no? The meat packing industry is one example.

    I question that anyone against unions cares in the least about white workers. Anti-unionists are apparently more concerned about defending the rich than advancing whites.

    If that seems harsh, consider that JackD’s concern with “union thugs” is unmatched by any concern about employer thugs – and no doubt about it, the main thugs of the employers are the cops, who have always intervened on the side of capital.

    If the “solution” to deindustrialization is low wages, then who cares about deindustrialization? Opposition to deindustrialization then amounts (in JackD’s case, for example) to defending the rich and promoting the autocratic control of corporate capital over the lives of workers.

    Ultimately, the only solution to deindustrialization is socialism. Get rid of the billionaire parasites!

  111. @Jack D
    You could just as well argue that unions were one of the CAUSES of our deindustrialization. If employers had been able to pay market wages instead of those extorted by union thugs, then a lot of manufacturing would not have moved overseas in order to get beyond their reach. One reason union membership has declined so much is because many companies in heavily unionized industries have gone bankrupt - the auto companies, steel companies, coal companies, railroads, etc. The parasite weakens and sometimes kills its host. You have a handful of union guys who benefit richly but you don't see the thousands of men who don't have jobs at all because of them.

    That’s stupid. If the US had stronger labor unions, NAFTA and other free trade agreements never would have passed in the first place, so we’d have more manufacturing jobs left.

    The collapse of American private sector unions, driven by Taft-Hartley and other anti-union laws, has been really bad for the white working class on many levels.

    The most obvious is that fewer unionized jobs means lower wages and benefits. But it also means that the Democratic party, which used to have to listen to white working class interests, now only has to pay attention to the interests of wealthy social liberals and minority activists.

    So whereas the Democratic party of the 1950s would have fought tooth and nail against NAFTA, by the 90s we had Clinton and Gore forcing it on the country.

    • Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond
    Right - the political consequences of deunionization are as important as the direct economic consequences.

    A really strong union movement wouldn't't rely on sops from the Democrats, whose main bulwark has always been capital. It would build its own party, raising demands that would benefit workers and all their allies.
  112. @Steve Sailer
    Probably painkiller liberalization.

    If memory serves, according to Sam Quinones’ Dreamland, 1998 is when the Xalisco Boys expanded into Ohio and Kentucky, fertile ground prepared for them by the pill mills.

  113. @AndrewR
    Oh come on. No one here has said that all conservatives are heartless but you are being dishonest if you are claiming that heartlessness isn't a very strong streak in mainstream conservatism. And please don't play "no true scotsman." Just take a look at the Fox News comments on any given article. I highly doubt that foxnews.com commenters are an unrepresentative sample of conservatives.

    And yet it’s been documented by many sources that conservatives, evil bastards that they are, give far more to charity than liberals.

  114. @Das
    That's stupid. If the US had stronger labor unions, NAFTA and other free trade agreements never would have passed in the first place, so we'd have more manufacturing jobs left.

    The collapse of American private sector unions, driven by Taft-Hartley and other anti-union laws, has been really bad for the white working class on many levels.

    The most obvious is that fewer unionized jobs means lower wages and benefits. But it also means that the Democratic party, which used to have to listen to white working class interests, now only has to pay attention to the interests of wealthy social liberals and minority activists.

    So whereas the Democratic party of the 1950s would have fought tooth and nail against NAFTA, by the 90s we had Clinton and Gore forcing it on the country.

    Right – the political consequences of deunionization are as important as the direct economic consequences.

    A really strong union movement wouldn’t’t rely on sops from the Democrats, whose main bulwark has always been capital. It would build its own party, raising demands that would benefit workers and all their allies.

  115. @Flinders Petrie
    As viewed in this chart, this really is an astounding trend. There was some threshold event in 1998 that reversed the trend of declining death rates in only one population. What could have been so important that happened that year?

    Well, it’s not directly connected, but it was in 1999 that Vioxx was introduced as a (highly lucrative) painkiller replacement for simple aspirin, and very heavily promoted in consumer advertising. Over the next few years, Vioxx caused at least tens of thousands of premature American deaths, and very likely hundreds of thousands:

    http://www.unz.com/article/chinese-melamine-and-american-vioxx-a-comparison/

    I think the consumer advertising of drugs with high profit margins really got going around that time.

    Considering the vast number of Americans killed by Vioxx and the absolutely negligible MSM coverage, we shouldn’t be too surprised that nobody much paid attention to the mortality disaster of middle-aged lower-class whites for the last decade.

  116. @5371
    Whisky and heroin not irrelevant.

    Then why is it not the Dundee effect? And large parts of Edinburgh are nasty, you just have to know where they are.

  117. @Jack D

    If these people had wanted to live longer, they would have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.
     
    When people of any color behave in a self-destructive way, I don't think its wrong to assign blame to them, nor is it right to assign all of their bad behavior to societal forces. This whole "non-judgmental" thing hasn't really been that good for our society. People who drink or take drugs (not to mention kill themselves) certainly have a hand in their own destruction, regardless of what societal forces are at play. They are the authors of their own destruction, whether they are black or brown or white trash. Warren Buffet didn't make you drink that foty. Bill Gates is not the one making you snort meth. Carlos Slim didn't put that gun in your hand.

    The economy hasn't been great for people at the lower end of the economic scale - globalization and the import of lots of immigrant labor has meant that wages (adjusted for inflation) haven't risen for decades now. But your money goes a lot further if you aren't snorting it up your nose, wouldn't you say? You're more likely to hold down a job if you don't drink a six-pack before breakfast, no?

    86. Jack D: I am a White working class man, a welder and general metal worker. When the jobs went away, I did not put my money up my nose, nor drink a six pack before breakfast. I went to college in middle age and became a teacher for several years, until I was laid off. I then went to trade school and now am working in a shop repairing small machines. OTOH, my best friend kept on welding for ever shrinking paychecks, eventually having to move back in with his parents, in his 40s. When they died, he turned full time alcoholic and was dead within a year of acute alcohol poisoning. He really died of despair, having finished his obligation to his parents.

    I am a lot smarter and better educated than most of my old co-workers, and I am sensible enough to recognize that my winning the IQ lottery was a matter of luck, not virtue. My wife has two post-graduate degrees and could support me as I got myself re-tooled. Most workingmen do not have the advantages that I and probably everybody who comments here do. Sneering at honest workingmen with IQs of 100 is easy when you were born bright, just as kicking ass on 5’4″ 130 lb men is easy if you’re 6’2″ and 190 lb, and every bit as admirable.

    • Agree: Stephen R. Diamond
    • Replies: @anon
    Amen
  118. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @DavidB
    I finally got round to reading the Case-Deaton paper. Maybe I missed something - I'm getting to be a lazy reader - but it seemed to me that the paper left a large part of the phenomena unexplained.

    There are really two striking aspects of the data:

    a) from 1999 to 2013 the death rate of US non-Hispanic White males aged 45-54 increased

    b) in all other comparator groups (various rich countries; US Hispanics; US non-Hispanic blacks) death rates for the same age group substantially fell.

    Of these two aspects, (b) is quantitatively much greater. The increase (a) was about 40 deaths per 100,000, whereas the decline (b) was more than twice as great.

    Both aspects need to be considered. So far as US Whites are concerned, the puzzle is not just why mortality actually increased, but why this group uniquely failed to benefit from the decline experienced by other groups. The authors give a reasonable explanation for the increase as such: it can be quantitatively accounted for by an increase in certain specific causes of death such as drug overdoses and suicides. But the same factors don't seem adequate to explain the second puzzle. Logically, they might: it is possible that in the comparator groups there was previously a high death rate from drugs, etc, which has dramatically fallen, whereas among US Whites it has risen. But this doesn't seem very likely.

    I think the only approach to elucidate the second puzzle would be to take a close look at the trends in all causes of death (e.g. cancer, heart attacks, and occupational accidents) among both US Whites and the comparator groups, and identify which elements have failed to decline among US Whites (and more specifically, poorly-educated ones).

    Off-shoring + mass immigration + affirmative action.

    Which group got crushed in that vice?

    To anyone who’s seen what happened in rust belt towns over the last 30 years this is all so ****ing obvious and yet there’s this bafflement – genuine or dishonest i don’t know – which if honest is a testament to the media’s massive cover up of what has been going on.

  119. @anon
    We don't have capitalism we have a corporate oligarchy effectively murdering large numbers of citizens with their policies and trying to cover it up...


    hence the mass deflection tactics in the threads.

    PROTECT THE NARRATIVE!

    We don’t have capitalism we have a corporate oligarchy effectively murdering large numbers of citizens with their policies and trying to cover it up…

    What makes you think there’s a contradiction between the two: having capitalism and having a murderous corporate oligarchy? The first seems to lead inexorably to the second.

    • Replies: @anon
    The political answer is some people will automatically recoil from a blanket anti capitalist argument but won't from a capitalism gone wrong argument.

    The economic answer is capitalist competition has a natural tendency to end up with a small number of very big corporations who form cartels who end competition - so the distinction is pro or anti competition.
  120. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    We don’t have capitalism we have a corporate oligarchy effectively murdering large numbers of citizens with their policies and trying to cover it up…
     
    What makes you think there's a contradiction between the two: having capitalism and having a murderous corporate oligarchy? The first seems to lead inexorably to the second.

    The political answer is some people will automatically recoil from a blanket anti capitalist argument but won’t from a capitalism gone wrong argument.

    The economic answer is capitalist competition has a natural tendency to end up with a small number of very big corporations who form cartels who end competition – so the distinction is pro or anti competition.

  121. @Discard
    86. Jack D: I am a White working class man, a welder and general metal worker. When the jobs went away, I did not put my money up my nose, nor drink a six pack before breakfast. I went to college in middle age and became a teacher for several years, until I was laid off. I then went to trade school and now am working in a shop repairing small machines. OTOH, my best friend kept on welding for ever shrinking paychecks, eventually having to move back in with his parents, in his 40s. When they died, he turned full time alcoholic and was dead within a year of acute alcohol poisoning. He really died of despair, having finished his obligation to his parents.

    I am a lot smarter and better educated than most of my old co-workers, and I am sensible enough to recognize that my winning the IQ lottery was a matter of luck, not virtue. My wife has two post-graduate degrees and could support me as I got myself re-tooled. Most workingmen do not have the advantages that I and probably everybody who comments here do. Sneering at honest workingmen with IQs of 100 is easy when you were born bright, just as kicking ass on 5'4" 130 lb men is easy if you're 6'2" and 190 lb, and every bit as admirable.

    Amen

  122. SoothSailor—“Third, and most important, there are virtually **no respectable organizations** that have it as part of their mission to care about the well-being of whites.”

    That’s patently false. AARP, for one, is at the forefront of ensuring older whites are taken care of. Although, considering virtually no one can offer a universal, clear cut definition of “white”, I would imagine that is a major factor why such “respectable organizations” exist. I mean, are da Joos white? Are the Irish and Italian “white”, considering nativists back in the day thought they were not white? What about “murderous corporate oligarchic whites”** who prey upon “working class whites”? Does this group** meet the criteria? What about whites who support “leftist causes”? Are they white? If no, why not?

    **note how our dear blog host deftly crafts this phrase. I would surmise that the KKK and white supremacist groups would beg to differ, that they represent respectability.

    Is there some sort of chart that someone has to differentiate between “true” whites and “fake” whites?

    That’s why, when it comes down to it, those on the left and on the right who are the race baiters are nothing but members of the coalition of the fringes for their respective ideology.

    “Diamond—What makes you think there’s a contradiction between the two: having capitalism and having a murderous corporate oligarchy? The first seems to lead inexorably to the second.”



    Seems, being the operative word.

    “Anti-unionists are apparently more concerned about defending the rich than advancing whites.”

    Do not anti-unionists consist of white people? Furthermore, what these interests of”whites”? How do we “advance whites” in the first place?

    Steve—Unions, for all their many faults, stood as a balance to the unrestrained greed of an uncontrolled labor market.

    Preach it.

  123. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Related to the issue of lack of organizations that specifically look after the well-being of whites. My observation of something across the pond, a respectable organization that had it as part of their mission to care about the well-being of whites.

    For a time in the U.K., an organization named “The Steadfast Trust” was a registered charity under U.K. law. (steadfast dot org dot uk)

    The home page of their website (still up) states:
    “The Steadfast Trust undertakes work specifically for the English community. It exists to promote the education, legal rights, welfare, and overall interests of the community within England. Our work is driven by the belief that the English, and in particular the young, would gain greater self-respect and self-confidence if they had a better appreciation and understanding of their unique culture and heritage.”

    When I first tripped over their site, I was dumb-struck. The people who built the British Empire had come to this? Yes.

    Clicking elsewhere around their site, they did exactly that. They paid for storytellers to go to elementary schools, sold histories of the Anglo-Saxon peoples, had dinner gatherings to talk about English food and culture, published studies of ethnic English school children, and so on.

    Well, early in 2015 the ITV network in the U.K. ran an “expose” of charities. Guess what? The tv reporters searched and searched and finally found one guy associated with the Steadfast Trust to make some inappropriate comments in view of the concealed camera. How convenient.

    The authorities moved faster than a Spitfire in 1941. Yanked their charity status. The authorities seemed to be waiting for the tv report. There is question of whether the authorities followed proper procedure. Are we surprised?

    The bottom line, we can count on all the usual suspects to destroy the respectability of any organization geared toward the well-being of people of European ancestry.

    Which means we need to organize to protect ourselves and our progeny. And be ready to back it up. Lawyers, spokespeople, education, the whole nine yards.

  124. Steve’s “organization caring for the well-being of whites” again. As a thought experiment, I’ve mulled over names such as “Suburban League”, “The European Society”, “Europa Club”, etc. Anyone who’s been on the public stump and has done some organizing can guess the difficulties. If it’s a whites-only organization with general goals, it’ll be instantly trashed as racist. If the organization seeks very specific legislative goals, say overturning affirmative action, it likely needn’t bother being a whites-only organization as there’ll likely be allies found among blacks and perhaps other distinct groups.

    Anybody have any thoughts?

  125. @Luke Lea
    " there are virtually no respectable organizations that have it as part of their mission to care about the well-being of whites . . ."

    Only Charles Murray and former Senator and recent Presidential candidate Jim Webb seem to care. FDR took up the cause of poor whites in the South. Maybe Trump can find a way to cultivate this demographic -- his trade and immigration stands certainly speak to their interests, as they do to the interests of low-wage and unemployed blacks and legal Hispanics. Do poor whites currently trend Democrat or Republican? What percentage vote?

    There is a piece on 538 suggesting that Trump will do poorly among Republicans in Blue State America, the reason being that Republican voters in these states are less into identity politics and more moderate and secular in their outlook. But this assumes Trump's appeal is primarily racial and cultural when these are precisely the areas he has downplayed the most. I'd be interested in Steve's thoughts on these two subjects.

    “There is a piece on 538 suggesting that Trump will do poorly among Republicans in Blue State America,”

    Would most blue state Republican Whites in Ohio for example really rather vote for another Bush over Donald Trump? What has the Bush family ever done for blue collar White Republicans in Ohio?

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