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Whenever there is an international women’s sports competition that Americans win, the press announces the late breaking news that:

Women Athletes Are, For the First Time Ever, Cultural Heroes and Will Finally Be Getting To Do Endorsements.

And then, being a guy sports fan with a good memory, I always ask questions like: What about all the women jocks who did tons of commercials when I was young, like tennis player Chris Evert or golfer Nancy Lopez, or those two lady jockeys who were everywhere in ads in the mid-1970s? What about when US Olympic swimmer Gertrude Ederle got a ticker tape parade down Broadway in 1926 for setting an (all-sexes) record in swimming the English Channel?

But what I now realize is that the vast majority of women are less nostalgic about the past than are men. Women are more interested in fashion and the new.

And, of course, sports nostalgia differs by orders of magnitude between the sexes.

So, men have sports icons who take generations to fade from fame: e.g., Ted Williams, Arnold Palmer, Wilt, Sandy Koufax, O.J., Bird, Gretzky, Jordan, etc. (E.g., go look in a convenience store at all the Arnold Palmer beverages.)

Women don’t.

The most male thing anybody ever said is Walter Sobchak’s line from The Big Lebowski:

Three thousand years of beautiful tradition, from Moses to Sandy Koufax, you’re goddamn right I’m living in the f—-ing past!

 
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  1. Also, do any editors know any history past, 5 minutes ago? “This unprecedented…….” which had occurred several times before, is a staple media criticism.

    • Replies: @Anon87
    Have you seen who authors most news articles these days? 20s-maybe 30s. Age isn't there fault, but laziness in regards to research is. But gotta crank out that content!
  2. Maybe we don’t remember them because they were never in TV commercials running and hurdling through airports and then killing a couple of people, then being involved in low-speed police chases on live TV.

    I’m not referring to this guy though:

  3. A lack of that kind of long term memory, or caring, if that’s what it is, is another reason women shouldn’t be voting. However, so I don’t spend the evening hearing from Rosie, I’ll add that lots of men have the same problem – as you say, they may remember baseball players from the WWII era, they sure don’t seem to remember what a candidate said in the primary election six months later. That’s why American politicians are courting the “goldfish” vote.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    A lack of that kind of long term memory, or caring, if that’s what it is, is another reason women shouldn’t be voting.
     
    Achmed, the two-trick jack-ass, is there nothing you won't sink to? Now, our relative lack of interest in sports is cause for our disenfranchisement?
    , @Bard of Bumperstickers
    Women have outstanding long-term memory. They perennially recall toilet seats left up, for example; holiday remembrances overlooked, other women's names grunted during intimacy, etc. It's passed down matrilineally, via kvetch-ochondrial DNA.
    , @Alice in Wonderland

    A lack of that kind of long term memory, or caring, if that’s what it is, is another reason women shouldn’t be voting.

     

    Ding, ding, ding

    We have a winner.

    Sure, some women vote sensibly and responsibly. But the problem is so many more do not. Therefore every responsible sensible woman is burdened by having to get out and vote because the ninnies turn out in force. It is just one more damned thing to do that the men could handle on their own on behalf of society. But, nooooooo, the libertine men who can't convince men to vote for their illogical schemes just dupe the silly women instead and voila a majority. Ugh.


    But what I now realize is that the vast majority of women are less nostalgic about the past than are men. Women are more interested in fashion and the new.
     
    Another winner, which makes women, like teens and children, a marketers dream. You can tell them anything and they will fall for it and fork over their cash.

    If you can't tell by the name, I am a woman. So, if the lib white men can criticize all white men for existing, then I feel perfectly fine for criticizing women for their weaknesses.
  4. Anonymous[388] • Disclaimer says:

    I can remember women athletes from the 70’s and 80’s better. Dorothy Hamill (skating), Suzy Chaffee (skiing), Peggy Fleming (skating), Billy Jean King (tennis), Diana Nyad (swimming), JoJo Starbucks (skating), Martina Navratilova (tennis), Nadia Comăneci (gymnastics), Shirley Muldowney (NHRA drag racing), Zola Budd (track & field), Lyn St. James (Indy Car), Mary Lou Retton (gymnastics).

    • Replies: @John Derbyshire
    Is Tamara Press now forgotten? [Sigh.] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamara_Press
  5. But what I now realize is that the vast majority of women are less nostalgic about the past than are men. Women are more interested in fashion and the new.

    I’ll offer a caveat, Steve. Women are interested in the past, but only if it involves things that women genuinely care about. Hence, the vast female interest in sexed-up docudramas about the Tudors* and glamorous movie stars (Elizabeth Taylor, Marilyn Monroe, etc).

    *Women are inherently royalist, as monarchies are all about genealogies, who’s boffing whom, fertility (can she produce an heir?), female desirability, etc. Republican politics, in contrast, are too drearily masculine for women…..

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    My wife is interested in the past to an extent, at least. She can remember clearly any little remark of mine from 30 years ago that she found snide, or the way I supposedly winked at some other woman when we were both young.

    Of course, that's just my wife, and it may not be true of any other woman, let alone women in general.
    , @Alden
    It’s the Cinderella thing. Also, Queens had a lot of power in contrast to Republican First Ladies.

    In the last 30 years those period movies have become even more popular because of the clothes. We actually yearn and lust for something more than black pantsuits black sweatshirts black T shirts and black black black in the stores.

    I had the summer Saks catalog. At least there were a few outfits that were in pretty colors.

    But the clothes were all way oversized. Dresses were all voluminous mumus. Just yards and yards of cloth no waist hip or bust to be seen. Tops were the same and halfway to the knees basically maternity tops. Pants were the same about a yard wide at the ankles.

    The only movies that have women in dresses shaped like a woman with a noticeable waist and bust and a pretty Colorado period movies and sure to draw a female audience

    There are exceptions though. Downtown Abbey was set 1912-1930 the ugliest era in women’s fashion in the last 100,000 years. Baggy blacky or mud brown and eggplant. Only watched a few minutes here and there. There was a wedding dress that looked like a nun’s nightgown.

    The Ms Fisher Australian series is set in the same time as Downton Frumpy. But those clothes are attractive. As attractive as 1920s clothes can be.

    If attractive women’s clothes in colors ever come back we won’t have to watch period dramas. For beautiful early 60s clothes get the DVDs of Girls of Rochefort and Umbrellas of Cherbourg

    , @Anonymous
    Liz and MM both converted to Judaism, fwiw.
    , @Cagey Beast
    Women get the tingles from the idea of being the defiant heroine who shocks her stylish but constricting society. That describes about 90% of the fiction aimed at them.
  6. That’s been my experience. But we’re not supposed to notice the obvious, so we have to come up with overly complicated and convoluted explanations about female athletes being oppressed.

  7. “So, men have sports icons who take generations to fade from fame: e.g., Ted Williams, Arnold Palmer, Wilt, O.J., Bird, Gretzky, Jordan, etc. Women don’t.”

    So, kinda like gay men obsess over “stars” and “icons,” right?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Right. Gay men keep alive the memory of famous women of the past like Judy Garland.
  8. Hope Solo. No one on the current Women’s National Team comes even close to generating whatever headlines, viewership, revenue, etc. as she did. By herself for nearly a decade, Solo generated at least twice the amount of coverage and revenue (mostly for herself) that Women’s soccer did combined. Globally, per marketing/publicity Q Score, Hope Solo was a legitimate women’s athlete.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    Who is Hope Solo?
  9. @Achmed E. Newman
    A lack of that kind of long term memory, or caring, if that's what it is, is another reason women shouldn't be voting. However, so I don't spend the evening hearing from Rosie, I'll add that lots of men have the same problem - as you say, they may remember baseball players from the WWII era, they sure don't seem to remember what a candidate said in the primary election six months later. That's why American politicians are courting the "goldfish" vote.

    A lack of that kind of long term memory, or caring, if that’s what it is, is another reason women shouldn’t be voting.

    Achmed, the two-trick jack-ass, is there nothing you won’t sink to? Now, our relative lack of interest in sports is cause for our disenfranchisement?

    • Troll: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    You know, Elizabeth Cady Stanton basically predicted that most women wouldn't be able to responsibly handle the vote. I'll try to find where she said that, but for years the UCB library's been culling material deplorables might find helpful.
    , @Bard of Bumperstickers
    Will you two get a room, please?

    };^D
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Now, our relative lack of interest in sports is cause for our disenfranchisement?"

    No, that was just as an example of women's poor memory regarding history. Or didn't you remember?
    , @Autochthon
    Since The Big Lebowski has been invoked, would it be untoward of me to write what so many are doubtless also thinking, with regard to a sentiment for another person with a diminutive name:

    https://youtu.be/DpwszcmbYp4

    Whenever you come 'round, Rosie, the sub-text is always "Did someone call for a scandalised female taking offense at minutiae to the point of apoplexy?! – am woman; here me complain."
  10. @Anon
    "So, men have sports icons who take generations to fade from fame: e.g., Ted Williams, Arnold Palmer, Wilt, O.J., Bird, Gretzky, Jordan, etc. Women don’t."

    So, kinda like gay men obsess over "stars" and "icons," right?

    Right. Gay men keep alive the memory of famous women of the past like Judy Garland.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    The French equivalent of Judy Garland is Dalida:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeIJaddqDCU

    That's why some people called Marine Le Pen "the Dalida of the far right" because of the number of gays in her senior staff.
    , @Desiderius
    And Kate Smith. Underrated reason the Flyers and Yanks offed her.
    , @SimpleSong
    My favorite euphemism for a gay man is a 'friend of Dorothy.'
    , @syonredux

    Right. Gay men keep alive the memory of famous women of the past like Judy Garland.
     
    Do straight women care about Judy Garland?From what I've seen, they seem to be far more interested in Audrey Hepburn and Marilyn Monroe.
  11. Our media cannot remember this country once didn’t have 50 million immigrants. Our media can’t remember we once had one of the smallest armies in the world. Our media cannot remember that NATO is actually not written in as a governmental obligation in the US Constitution. Our media cannot remember that we used to be the world leader in infrastructure: rails, roads, airports. Our media cannot remember we once had a border. Our media cannot remember we once did not have a “China to Walmart to Trash Heap back to China” industrial cycle. Lots of things they can’t remember.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast, Old Prude
  12. … the vast majority of women are less nostalgic about the past than are men. Women are more interested in fashion and the new.

    This is a very important point. Women are remarkably good at self-reinvention when it suits them and they use that skill on things other than themselves. Women seem to believe more deeply in the god of Progress more than almost any man alive, so the past is always something we’re recovering from or escaping. Sure, women may like to be shown the costumes and customs of the past but they seem to always conclude that things were worse then, overall.

    So it doesn’t really matter if fourteen women jockeys have already won the Kentucky Derby, those ones don’t count because the men didn’t give the women the respect they’re only now starting to get … or something like that.

    Women set the cultural tone now so the net result is that we all keep going back on a loop to our starting positions. No progress can be seen to have been made because then we’d rest on our laurels or something.
    “She who exists in the present, ignores the past. She who ignores the past, prevents the future”.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    No progress can be seen to have been made because then we’d rest on our laurels or something.
    “She who exists in the present, ignores the past. She who ignores the past, prevents the future”.
     
    Women certainly do recognize that progress has been made. Indeed, a majority of White women say they are "satisfied" with women's treatment in society. For Republican women, it's 80%. Do you not know how to use Google?

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/womens-satisfaction-with-how-society-treats-them-hits-a-record-low-2019-01-18
  13. Anonymous[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    A lack of that kind of long term memory, or caring, if that’s what it is, is another reason women shouldn’t be voting.
     
    Achmed, the two-trick jack-ass, is there nothing you won't sink to? Now, our relative lack of interest in sports is cause for our disenfranchisement?

    You know, Elizabeth Cady Stanton basically predicted that most women wouldn’t be able to responsibly handle the vote. I’ll try to find where she said that, but for years the UCB library’s been culling material deplorables might find helpful.

    • Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers
    That would be uncharacteristically candid for a first-wave/founding feminist.
    From Karen Straughan (a.k.a., "Girl Writes What"):
    https://antifeministpraxis.com/2017/03/31/feminism-was-never-not-rotten/
    , @Rosie

    You know, Elizabeth Cady Stanton basically predicted that most women wouldn’t be able to responsibly handle the vote.

     

    If true, why exactly should I GAF?

    I am not persuaded by appeals to authority.

    , @Reg Cæsar

    You know, Elizabeth Cady Stanton basically predicted that most women wouldn’t be able to responsibly handle the vote.
     
    I'll take a Harding or a Coolidge over a Wilson any day. Also, women would have elected Nixon over JFK. Tricky Dick over just plain dick.

    In the UK, the Tories owe their 20th-century victories to women.

    This is not an endorsement of women's suffrage, only a plea for perspective. Men's voting habits are nothing to crow about either.
    , @Alden
    Look who men elected.
  14. @Achmed E. Newman
    A lack of that kind of long term memory, or caring, if that's what it is, is another reason women shouldn't be voting. However, so I don't spend the evening hearing from Rosie, I'll add that lots of men have the same problem - as you say, they may remember baseball players from the WWII era, they sure don't seem to remember what a candidate said in the primary election six months later. That's why American politicians are courting the "goldfish" vote.

    Women have outstanding long-term memory. They perennially recall toilet seats left up, for example; holiday remembrances overlooked, other women’s names grunted during intimacy, etc. It’s passed down matrilineally, via kvetch-ochondrial DNA.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    And women remember not only something you've done, but things not done--things you didn't do...
    , @Charles Pewitt

    Women have outstanding long-term memory. They perennially recall toilet seats left up, for example; holiday remembrances overlooked, other women’s names grunted during intimacy, etc. It’s passed down matrilineally, via kvetch-ochondrial DNA.

     

    Peter Brimelow used the word 'matrilineality' recently.

    Matrilineally and matrilineality makes me think of Ethel Merman in the movie It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World in her tight dress in the back seat giving Milton Berle a ration of shit for this or that and surfer dude Dick Shawn vowing to get revenge on anyone who would cause grief for his mother played by Merman.

    Ethel Merman was half German and half Scottish, if the internet is to be believed.

    Trump is half German and half Scottish, as is Christopher Walken.

    Ethel Merman played a good comedic mother-in-law. She didn't let Milton Berle get away with any scene-stealing bullshit.

    https://twitter.com/peterbrimelow/status/1150490683926622210
    , @Jim Don Bob

    Women have outstanding long-term memory.
     
    There is an area of women's brains called the Hurt Locker where they remember every single slight.
  15. @Rosie

    A lack of that kind of long term memory, or caring, if that’s what it is, is another reason women shouldn’t be voting.
     
    Achmed, the two-trick jack-ass, is there nothing you won't sink to? Now, our relative lack of interest in sports is cause for our disenfranchisement?

    Will you two get a room, please?

    };^D

  16. @Anonymous
    You know, Elizabeth Cady Stanton basically predicted that most women wouldn't be able to responsibly handle the vote. I'll try to find where she said that, but for years the UCB library's been culling material deplorables might find helpful.

    That would be uncharacteristically candid for a first-wave/founding feminist.
    From Karen Straughan (a.k.a., “Girl Writes What”):
    https://antifeministpraxis.com/2017/03/31/feminism-was-never-not-rotten/

  17. Flojo. She did it all with traps like a linebacker and 5″ fingernails.

    • Agree: Louis Renault
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Flojo. She did it all with traps like a linebacker and 5″ fingernails.
     
    In retrospect, it seems like the long flowing (weave) hair, the fingernails, and the harlequin outfits were all designed to draw attention away from the fact that she had a body like a man.
  18. People can’t remember female athletes from the past out of necessity. Everybody is aware on some level of their consciousness that women aren’t good at sports. So, whenever female athletes become famous, it is because they’re women. The first woman to do whatever or a beautiful woman or an outspoken one or maybe she just fitted perfectly in the political climate. Nobody can in seriousness celebrate them for being the best in the world.

    But this means that you can’t have a long memory, because it would interfere with the new female heroes. When you remember all the past women who were famous for being women, the new women famous for being women start to look a bit lame. So you apply a bit of strategic amnesia and the whole thing feels fresh again and there’s no awkward moments when your brain forces you to think about what you’re actually doing.

    • Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers
    Well-put. Strategic amnesia, like Orwell's doublethink. Actually, there probably have been some athletic female justification hamsters who we neglect to celebrate sufficiently, ha ha. Women always have the option to claim various levels of insufficiency in men, as if we owe them whatever they desire at the moment of complaint. For them, being satisfied is a loss of power. MGTOW is one response to that.
  19. @Anonymous
    I can remember women athletes from the 70’s and 80’s better. Dorothy Hamill (skating), Suzy Chaffee (skiing), Peggy Fleming (skating), Billy Jean King (tennis), Diana Nyad (swimming), JoJo Starbucks (skating), Martina Navratilova (tennis), Nadia Comăneci (gymnastics), Shirley Muldowney (NHRA drag racing), Zola Budd (track & field), Lyn St. James (Indy Car), Mary Lou Retton (gymnastics).

    Is Tamara Press now forgotten? [Sigh.] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamara_Press

    • Replies: @reactionry
    Given that true sons of the soil here have submitted similar abominations to the eye and that ICE has been enfeebled, it's unlikely that Mr. Derbyshire's offense will result in his repatriation and racination.

    Perhaps "...The Media Can Never Remember Famous Women Athlete's Of The Past," but it;s rather easy to recall the name of the Tennis Great, Margaret Court - though I didn't remember until Googling that she was an Aussie; not a Brit.

    J.D. is surely much aware of the former existence of a famous Englishwoman, who, though probably unranked (described as merely "adept" in an obit), is primarily thought of as playing tennis. To digress - in an earlier thread, an iSteve commenter posted a picture of the amply-bossommed Katarina Witt and asserted that, "Sports favor women with boyish bodies." I haven't the foggiest if it's a trope, truism. canard or none of the above that (maybe the result of buggering among British schoolboys) many Englishmen like their women boyish. -Not to Witt, but to wit:

    "Love-thirty, love-forty, oh! weakness of joy,
    The speed of a swallow, the grace of a boy,
    With carefullest carelessness, gaily you won,
    I am weak from your loveliness, Joan Hunter Dunn".

    https://www.poetseers.org/poets/john-betjeman/love-song/

    Yeah, not the stuff of Billie Jean King vs. Bobby Riggs nor iSteve commenter Rosie agin' Achmed E. Newman. Wandering further off topic, there's a lot of sweet 'n sad stuff about John Betjeman and Joan Hunter Dunn on the net. I've never been to Limey Land, but did watch most of "The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp." The colonel has something of unrequited love for two out of the three incarnations of British womanhood - each played by Deborah Kerr - (like Dunn - a redhead). If memory serves, commenter Buzz Mohawk posted something about Caucasians being the true people of color.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2008/apr/18/johnbetjeman
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1895818/Joan-Jackson.html

    The following came as something of a surprise (should disclose that I was told as a tyke that my maternal great-grandfather was Irish and that when I mentioned that to someone, he said something along the lines of, "Sorry; the one-drop applies.")

    https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/books/the-poem-that-saved-a-terribly-english-spy-from-death-in-dublin-26441419.html

  20. @Steve Sailer
    Right. Gay men keep alive the memory of famous women of the past like Judy Garland.

    The French equivalent of Judy Garland is Dalida:

    That’s why some people called Marine Le Pen “the Dalida of the far right” because of the number of gays in her senior staff.

  21. @Anonymous
    You know, Elizabeth Cady Stanton basically predicted that most women wouldn't be able to responsibly handle the vote. I'll try to find where she said that, but for years the UCB library's been culling material deplorables might find helpful.

    You know, Elizabeth Cady Stanton basically predicted that most women wouldn’t be able to responsibly handle the vote.

    If true, why exactly should I GAF?

    I am not persuaded by appeals to authority.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Proving Steve’s point very concisely.

    Well done Rosie.

    https://youtu.be/qSIS0o7vtPE

    Female solipsism never disappoints.
  22. @Steve Sailer
    Right. Gay men keep alive the memory of famous women of the past like Judy Garland.

    And Kate Smith. Underrated reason the Flyers and Yanks offed her.

  23. @Cagey Beast
    ... the vast majority of women are less nostalgic about the past than are men. Women are more interested in fashion and the new.

    This is a very important point. Women are remarkably good at self-reinvention when it suits them and they use that skill on things other than themselves. Women seem to believe more deeply in the god of Progress more than almost any man alive, so the past is always something we're recovering from or escaping. Sure, women may like to be shown the costumes and customs of the past but they seem to always conclude that things were worse then, overall.

    So it doesn't really matter if fourteen women jockeys have already won the Kentucky Derby, those ones don't count because the men didn't give the women the respect they're only now starting to get ... or something like that.

    Women set the cultural tone now so the net result is that we all keep going back on a loop to our starting positions. No progress can be seen to have been made because then we'd rest on our laurels or something.
    "She who exists in the present, ignores the past. She who ignores the past, prevents the future".

    No progress can be seen to have been made because then we’d rest on our laurels or something.
    “She who exists in the present, ignores the past. She who ignores the past, prevents the future”.

    Women certainly do recognize that progress has been made. Indeed, a majority of White women say they are “satisfied” with women’s treatment in society. For Republican women, it’s 80%. Do you not know how to use Google?

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/womens-satisfaction-with-how-society-treats-them-hits-a-record-low-2019-01-18

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Do you not know how to use Google?

    Can you not take a mild critique of your half of the human race?

    The link you gave me goes to an article that begins with:

    Women’s satisfaction with how society treats them hits a record low
    Jan 19, 2019

    The new Gallup poll, released ahead of Saturday’s Women’s March, showed a 15-point decline from the summer of 2016.

    Women continue to set new records in 2019 — this time in dissatisfaction.

    Just 46% of women in the U.S., a record low, say they’re satisfied with the way women are treated in society, according to a newly released Gallup poll ...
     
    It's a pleasant surprise to see Republican women express satisfaction at that rate but my point clearly still stands.
  24. @Rosie

    You know, Elizabeth Cady Stanton basically predicted that most women wouldn’t be able to responsibly handle the vote.

     

    If true, why exactly should I GAF?

    I am not persuaded by appeals to authority.

    Proving Steve’s point very concisely.

    Well done Rosie.

    Female solipsism never disappoints.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Female solipsism never disappoints.
     
    When you don't have an argument, say something cryptic and hope nobody notices.
  25. @syonredux

    But what I now realize is that the vast majority of women are less nostalgic about the past than are men. Women are more interested in fashion and the new.
     
    I'll offer a caveat, Steve. Women are interested in the past, but only if it involves things that women genuinely care about. Hence, the vast female interest in sexed-up docudramas about the Tudors* and glamorous movie stars (Elizabeth Taylor, Marilyn Monroe, etc).



    *Women are inherently royalist, as monarchies are all about genealogies, who's boffing whom, fertility (can she produce an heir?), female desirability, etc. Republican politics, in contrast, are too drearily masculine for women.....

    My wife is interested in the past to an extent, at least. She can remember clearly any little remark of mine from 30 years ago that she found snide, or the way I supposedly winked at some other woman when we were both young.

    Of course, that’s just my wife, and it may not be true of any other woman, let alone women in general.

    • LOL: Ibound1
    • Replies: @ScarletNumber

    [My wife] can remember clearly any little remark of mine from 30 years ago that she found snide... It may not be true of any other woman
     
    LOL we wish
  26. I don’t think women forget all women of the past, it’s that they really don’t care about sports that much. How often do women in an all female group talk about sports when there are no men in the vicinity?

    Most of the woke media fans of Serena and rapinoe were never big fans of the sport and just like these athletes for what they are supposed to represent now.

    In the case of Serena, she is black so obviously must be superior and more admirable compared to the white female tennis stars that came before her. In the case of rapinoe, there is something novel about it in that women’s soccer is a bigger thing now than it was decades ago and an open married lesbian is kind of a new thing.

    But women and even the woke media in general is aware that Beyoncé was predated by Whitney and Whitney predated by Aretha. Women seem to remember classic actresses such as grace kelly and Katherine Hepburn too. Women have more genuine interest in acting, singing and generally being glamorous than they do in sports so there is less sense that every famous woman in these fields to do something is the first to excel in them.

  27. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Hope Solo. No one on the current Women's National Team comes even close to generating whatever headlines, viewership, revenue, etc. as she did. By herself for nearly a decade, Solo generated at least twice the amount of coverage and revenue (mostly for herself) that Women's soccer did combined. Globally, per marketing/publicity Q Score, Hope Solo was a legitimate women's athlete.

    Who is Hope Solo?

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    "Who is Hope Solo?" The daughter of Han and Leia.

    Actually, I don't recall a single play she was involved in, just that she posted pictures of her shaven snatch on the 'net and assaulted her nephew.
  28. @Desiderius
    Proving Steve’s point very concisely.

    Well done Rosie.

    https://youtu.be/qSIS0o7vtPE

    Female solipsism never disappoints.

    Female solipsism never disappoints.

    When you don’t have an argument, say something cryptic and hope nobody notices.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Argument?

    Steve said women don’t GAF about history. You say you don’t GAF about history.

    Doesn’t get anymore straightforward than that.
  29. …Will Finally Be Getting To Do Endorsements.

    Kristi Yamaguchi had no problem lining up endorsement deals. For eyeliner, of all things.

    Still, some endorsements will be condemned, such as Frank Gifford’s for Lucky Strikes, or Mary Lou Retton’s for Republican candidates.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Kristi Yamaguchi had no problem lining up endorsement deals. For eyeliner, of all things.
     
    Kristi Yamaguchi also landed a marriage to NHL defensemen Brett Hedican (won The Cup with the Hurricanes). They met at the ‘92 Olympics and have been married since 2000 and have two kids.

    http://a1.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0213/espnw_athlete_couples_08.jpg
  30. This is silly, every woman remembers the most famous female athlete: Tonya Harding.

  31. Apparently US media can’t even remember the last 10 (or so) Winter and Summer Olympics where they’ve pre-programmed who the new “America’s Olympic Darling” is going to be…

    In the Winter Olympics it’s usually a figure skater, e.g. Peggy Fleming, Dorothy Hamill (women were flocking to copy Hamill’s hairstyle), Kerrigan/Harding (this time it’s for real), Kristi Yamaguchi, Michelle Kwan, Tara Lapinski, Sara Hughes, etc., etc.

    In the Summer Olympics, it’s usually a gymnast, e.g. Mary Lou Retton, Shannon Miller, Carly Patterson, Gabby Douglas, etc., etc. Or a swimmer…

    I guess that qualifies as late breaking news–the discovery of the new-found respect women athletes are getting. LOL.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    In other words, they program America's Olympic Darling to be a female from the most female-appealing sport in that Olympics.

    And both figure skating and gymnastics have the same leading female-appealing indicators: women in cute outfits doing routines for arbitrary judges whose subjective opinion has the window-dressing of objectivity but really is just a bunch of snarky gays and women picking out the prom queen.
  32. @Rosie

    No progress can be seen to have been made because then we’d rest on our laurels or something.
    “She who exists in the present, ignores the past. She who ignores the past, prevents the future”.
     
    Women certainly do recognize that progress has been made. Indeed, a majority of White women say they are "satisfied" with women's treatment in society. For Republican women, it's 80%. Do you not know how to use Google?

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/womens-satisfaction-with-how-society-treats-them-hits-a-record-low-2019-01-18

    Do you not know how to use Google?

    Can you not take a mild critique of your half of the human race?

    The link you gave me goes to an article that begins with:

    Women’s satisfaction with how society treats them hits a record low
    Jan 19, 2019

    The new Gallup poll, released ahead of Saturday’s Women’s March, showed a 15-point decline from the summer of 2016.

    Women continue to set new records in 2019 — this time in dissatisfaction.

    Just 46% of women in the U.S., a record low, say they’re satisfied with the way women are treated in society, according to a newly released Gallup poll …

    It’s a pleasant surprise to see Republican women express satisfaction at that rate but my point clearly still stands.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara

    Can you not take a mild critique of your half of the human race?
     
    Have you never met a woman before? Of course they can't, the insecure little things.

    John Cleese nailed this hilariously in something that will surely be banned in the coming years:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftojWc-vUxQ
    , @Rosie

    Can you not take a mild critique of your half of the human race?
     
    Not if it's based on a falsehood.

    It’s a pleasant surprise to see Republican women express satisfaction at that rate but my point clearly still stands.
     
    Not really, because you're lumping White women in with WOC who are constantly told they're oppressed by Evil White Men. We can't help it they believe everything they see on the (((television))).
    , @Alden
    I’m waiting for a poll asking if White people are satisfied about how we’re treated in America.
  33. @Anonymous
    You know, Elizabeth Cady Stanton basically predicted that most women wouldn't be able to responsibly handle the vote. I'll try to find where she said that, but for years the UCB library's been culling material deplorables might find helpful.

    You know, Elizabeth Cady Stanton basically predicted that most women wouldn’t be able to responsibly handle the vote.

    I’ll take a Harding or a Coolidge over a Wilson any day. Also, women would have elected Nixon over JFK. Tricky Dick over just plain dick.

    In the UK, the Tories owe their 20th-century victories to women.

    This is not an endorsement of women’s suffrage, only a plea for perspective. Men’s voting habits are nothing to crow about either.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    Yeah, women vote for small c conservatism.

    Can you blame them for not getting excited about U.S Republicans? The right is making small improvements w/ Trumpism, but for the past couple of decades they have come across as a combination of fuddy-duddies and callous vulture capitalists. I mean, they are only better than the Democrats because they don't hate normal heterosexual white people as much. If the left weren't in the throes of full-on psychotic antifa academia psychobabble they'd probably be sweeping every election.

    I bet if you ran charismatic good-looking men (or charismatic good-looking mothers) the right would become more successful. It's not that hard to find them.

    But instead we get weirdos with strange backgrounds. We talk about coalition of the fringes on the left, but what about the coalition of fringes on the right? NRA nuts, Mormons, zionist evangelicals, war hawks....not an appealing bunch for your ordinary middle class white American.

    It's men who are attracted to extreme political ideologies and get them going. Say what you will about women and their "follower" habits, but they are naturally hierarchical and moderate to conservative. If women could vote on their preferred type of government we'd probably have a constitutional monarchy, and that's not a bad thing.

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  35. @Bard of Bumperstickers
    Women have outstanding long-term memory. They perennially recall toilet seats left up, for example; holiday remembrances overlooked, other women's names grunted during intimacy, etc. It's passed down matrilineally, via kvetch-ochondrial DNA.

    And women remember not only something you’ve done, but things not done–things you didn’t do…

  36. Women ‘s selfishness–their solipsism–makes them feel that their lives are the center of the universe. So everything important must happen RIGHT NOW because they are the most important. So it’s natural for today’s females to think that the women’s athletes of the moment are some kind of epoch-changer. Because it happened while they (the female observers) were alive.

    Relatedly, I would not be surprised if end-of-the-world cults, on average, are populated by more women than men. Not merely because the gurus use it for easy sex, but because women are much more prone to think that it is only in their lifetimes the world could end, because they are so important.

  37. @Cagey Beast
    Do you not know how to use Google?

    Can you not take a mild critique of your half of the human race?

    The link you gave me goes to an article that begins with:

    Women’s satisfaction with how society treats them hits a record low
    Jan 19, 2019

    The new Gallup poll, released ahead of Saturday’s Women’s March, showed a 15-point decline from the summer of 2016.

    Women continue to set new records in 2019 — this time in dissatisfaction.

    Just 46% of women in the U.S., a record low, say they’re satisfied with the way women are treated in society, according to a newly released Gallup poll ...
     
    It's a pleasant surprise to see Republican women express satisfaction at that rate but my point clearly still stands.

    Can you not take a mild critique of your half of the human race?

    Have you never met a woman before? Of course they can’t, the insecure little things.

    John Cleese nailed this hilariously in something that will surely be banned in the coming years:

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Have you never met a woman before? Of course they can’t, the insecure little things.
     
    Since you appear to be retarded, I'll spell it out for you. White women tend to be more satisfied with women's rights than non-white women. Because of demographic change, the percentage of dissatisfied women will increase every year, not because women are getting more dissatisfied, but because the composition of the polled constituency is changing.

    Did you understand or did I use to many big words?
  38. @kihowi
    People can't remember female athletes from the past out of necessity. Everybody is aware on some level of their consciousness that women aren't good at sports. So, whenever female athletes become famous, it is because they're women. The first woman to do whatever or a beautiful woman or an outspoken one or maybe she just fitted perfectly in the political climate. Nobody can in seriousness celebrate them for being the best in the world.

    But this means that you can't have a long memory, because it would interfere with the new female heroes. When you remember all the past women who were famous for being women, the new women famous for being women start to look a bit lame. So you apply a bit of strategic amnesia and the whole thing feels fresh again and there's no awkward moments when your brain forces you to think about what you're actually doing.

    Well-put. Strategic amnesia, like Orwell’s doublethink. Actually, there probably have been some athletic female justification hamsters who we neglect to celebrate sufficiently, ha ha. Women always have the option to claim various levels of insufficiency in men, as if we owe them whatever they desire at the moment of complaint. For them, being satisfied is a loss of power. MGTOW is one response to that.

  39. @Cagey Beast
    Do you not know how to use Google?

    Can you not take a mild critique of your half of the human race?

    The link you gave me goes to an article that begins with:

    Women’s satisfaction with how society treats them hits a record low
    Jan 19, 2019

    The new Gallup poll, released ahead of Saturday’s Women’s March, showed a 15-point decline from the summer of 2016.

    Women continue to set new records in 2019 — this time in dissatisfaction.

    Just 46% of women in the U.S., a record low, say they’re satisfied with the way women are treated in society, according to a newly released Gallup poll ...
     
    It's a pleasant surprise to see Republican women express satisfaction at that rate but my point clearly still stands.

    Can you not take a mild critique of your half of the human race?

    Not if it’s based on a falsehood.

    It’s a pleasant surprise to see Republican women express satisfaction at that rate but my point clearly still stands.

    Not really, because you’re lumping White women in with WOC who are constantly told they’re oppressed by Evil White Men. We can’t help it they believe everything they see on the (((television))).

    • Replies: @Alden
    We know what WOC means. The C doesn’t stand for color.
  40. @Forbes
    Apparently US media can't even remember the last 10 (or so) Winter and Summer Olympics where they've pre-programmed who the new "America's Olympic Darling" is going to be...

    In the Winter Olympics it's usually a figure skater, e.g. Peggy Fleming, Dorothy Hamill (women were flocking to copy Hamill's hairstyle), Kerrigan/Harding (this time it's for real), Kristi Yamaguchi, Michelle Kwan, Tara Lapinski, Sara Hughes, etc., etc.

    In the Summer Olympics, it's usually a gymnast, e.g. Mary Lou Retton, Shannon Miller, Carly Patterson, Gabby Douglas, etc., etc. Or a swimmer...

    I guess that qualifies as late breaking news--the discovery of the new-found respect women athletes are getting. LOL.

    In other words, they program America’s Olympic Darling to be a female from the most female-appealing sport in that Olympics.

    And both figure skating and gymnastics have the same leading female-appealing indicators: women in cute outfits doing routines for arbitrary judges whose subjective opinion has the window-dressing of objectivity but really is just a bunch of snarky gays and women picking out the prom queen.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Bingo!
  41. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:

    Marion Jones used to be the most famous american women athlete. Who wouldn’t like to forget her?

    By the way, those who didn’t see Svetlana Boginskaya at her prime will never know what women’s gymnastics can deliver in both absolute precision an mighty sexyness.

    • Replies: @Silva
    https://78.media.tumblr.com/4b20f0f8c1faf6ee9b8822001dde238f/tumblr_ns42csriDn1rei903o1_500.png
  42. The vast majority of women don’t care about sports. But they do remember the singers and musicians of their youth. They still remember the Beatles and how they came to America in ’64 and what they were doing when they were on Ed Sullivan. Or the time they went to the Neil Diamond concert when they were 17 – 30 years ago.

    Also, I’ve met tons of women who played basketball, soccer, volleyball etc. in HS and they have zero interest in the game – as Adults. Even the ones who enjoy playing Tennis and Golf rarely watch it, unless it Wimbledon or the US open. If you put “Sport Enthusiasm” on a bell curve, women would be 2 Standard Deviations below men.

  43. Sometimes women’s lack of interest in history is a good thing. For example, the players on the US Women’s soccer team will be forgotten in six months.

  44. @syonredux

    But what I now realize is that the vast majority of women are less nostalgic about the past than are men. Women are more interested in fashion and the new.
     
    I'll offer a caveat, Steve. Women are interested in the past, but only if it involves things that women genuinely care about. Hence, the vast female interest in sexed-up docudramas about the Tudors* and glamorous movie stars (Elizabeth Taylor, Marilyn Monroe, etc).



    *Women are inherently royalist, as monarchies are all about genealogies, who's boffing whom, fertility (can she produce an heir?), female desirability, etc. Republican politics, in contrast, are too drearily masculine for women.....

    It’s the Cinderella thing. Also, Queens had a lot of power in contrast to Republican First Ladies.

    In the last 30 years those period movies have become even more popular because of the clothes. We actually yearn and lust for something more than black pantsuits black sweatshirts black T shirts and black black black in the stores.

    I had the summer Saks catalog. At least there were a few outfits that were in pretty colors.

    But the clothes were all way oversized. Dresses were all voluminous mumus. Just yards and yards of cloth no waist hip or bust to be seen. Tops were the same and halfway to the knees basically maternity tops. Pants were the same about a yard wide at the ankles.

    The only movies that have women in dresses shaped like a woman with a noticeable waist and bust and a pretty Colorado period movies and sure to draw a female audience

    There are exceptions though. Downtown Abbey was set 1912-1930 the ugliest era in women’s fashion in the last 100,000 years. Baggy blacky or mud brown and eggplant. Only watched a few minutes here and there. There was a wedding dress that looked like a nun’s nightgown.

    The Ms Fisher Australian series is set in the same time as Downton Frumpy. But those clothes are attractive. As attractive as 1920s clothes can be.

    If attractive women’s clothes in colors ever come back we won’t have to watch period dramas. For beautiful early 60s clothes get the DVDs of Girls of Rochefort and Umbrellas of Cherbourg

    • Replies: @Alden
    Correction pretty color are period movies, not Colorado Thanks a lot spell check. I spend more time correcting spell check than I do typing.
    , @The Last Real Calvinist

    Downtown Abbey was set 1912-1930 the ugliest era in women’s fashion in the last 100,000 years. Baggy blacky or mud brown and eggplant. Only watched a few minutes here and there. There was a wedding dress that looked like a nun’s nightgown.

     

    I know what you mean. The early seasons of DA take place from 1912-WWI, and the clothes are pretty ugly. I think the wedding dress you're referring to is the one worn by Lady Mary, and 'nun's nightgown' is generous; it looked like a bleached-out gunny sack to me. I suppose the show's producers were going for historical verisimilitude in their choice of dress, but it didn't look great, at least not on TV.

    Mrs Calvinist and Daughter C both noted a significant uptick in the female characters' dresses once DA hit the 1920s. By its last season, which is set in the late 20s, even I could see that the costumes were pretty sumptuous.

  45. @Cagey Beast
    Do you not know how to use Google?

    Can you not take a mild critique of your half of the human race?

    The link you gave me goes to an article that begins with:

    Women’s satisfaction with how society treats them hits a record low
    Jan 19, 2019

    The new Gallup poll, released ahead of Saturday’s Women’s March, showed a 15-point decline from the summer of 2016.

    Women continue to set new records in 2019 — this time in dissatisfaction.

    Just 46% of women in the U.S., a record low, say they’re satisfied with the way women are treated in society, according to a newly released Gallup poll ...
     
    It's a pleasant surprise to see Republican women express satisfaction at that rate but my point clearly still stands.

    I’m waiting for a poll asking if White people are satisfied about how we’re treated in America.

  46. @Alden
    It’s the Cinderella thing. Also, Queens had a lot of power in contrast to Republican First Ladies.

    In the last 30 years those period movies have become even more popular because of the clothes. We actually yearn and lust for something more than black pantsuits black sweatshirts black T shirts and black black black in the stores.

    I had the summer Saks catalog. At least there were a few outfits that were in pretty colors.

    But the clothes were all way oversized. Dresses were all voluminous mumus. Just yards and yards of cloth no waist hip or bust to be seen. Tops were the same and halfway to the knees basically maternity tops. Pants were the same about a yard wide at the ankles.

    The only movies that have women in dresses shaped like a woman with a noticeable waist and bust and a pretty Colorado period movies and sure to draw a female audience

    There are exceptions though. Downtown Abbey was set 1912-1930 the ugliest era in women’s fashion in the last 100,000 years. Baggy blacky or mud brown and eggplant. Only watched a few minutes here and there. There was a wedding dress that looked like a nun’s nightgown.

    The Ms Fisher Australian series is set in the same time as Downton Frumpy. But those clothes are attractive. As attractive as 1920s clothes can be.

    If attractive women’s clothes in colors ever come back we won’t have to watch period dramas. For beautiful early 60s clothes get the DVDs of Girls of Rochefort and Umbrellas of Cherbourg

    Correction pretty color are period movies, not Colorado Thanks a lot spell check. I spend more time correcting spell check than I do typing.

  47. @Rosie

    Can you not take a mild critique of your half of the human race?
     
    Not if it's based on a falsehood.

    It’s a pleasant surprise to see Republican women express satisfaction at that rate but my point clearly still stands.
     
    Not really, because you're lumping White women in with WOC who are constantly told they're oppressed by Evil White Men. We can't help it they believe everything they see on the (((television))).

    We know what WOC means. The C doesn’t stand for color.

  48. @Anonymous
    You know, Elizabeth Cady Stanton basically predicted that most women wouldn't be able to responsibly handle the vote. I'll try to find where she said that, but for years the UCB library's been culling material deplorables might find helpful.

    Look who men elected.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Look who men elected.
     
    The poor dears are trying to come to grips with the fact that they've been had, that White women were right about the Republican party all this time. Egos bruised, they're groping in the dark for some new pretext to oppose us.
  49. Anonymous[242] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    But what I now realize is that the vast majority of women are less nostalgic about the past than are men. Women are more interested in fashion and the new.
     
    I'll offer a caveat, Steve. Women are interested in the past, but only if it involves things that women genuinely care about. Hence, the vast female interest in sexed-up docudramas about the Tudors* and glamorous movie stars (Elizabeth Taylor, Marilyn Monroe, etc).



    *Women are inherently royalist, as monarchies are all about genealogies, who's boffing whom, fertility (can she produce an heir?), female desirability, etc. Republican politics, in contrast, are too drearily masculine for women.....

    Liz and MM both converted to Judaism, fwiw.

  50. @Reg Cæsar

    You know, Elizabeth Cady Stanton basically predicted that most women wouldn’t be able to responsibly handle the vote.
     
    I'll take a Harding or a Coolidge over a Wilson any day. Also, women would have elected Nixon over JFK. Tricky Dick over just plain dick.

    In the UK, the Tories owe their 20th-century victories to women.

    This is not an endorsement of women's suffrage, only a plea for perspective. Men's voting habits are nothing to crow about either.

    Yeah, women vote for small c conservatism.

    Can you blame them for not getting excited about U.S Republicans? The right is making small improvements w/ Trumpism, but for the past couple of decades they have come across as a combination of fuddy-duddies and callous vulture capitalists. I mean, they are only better than the Democrats because they don’t hate normal heterosexual white people as much. If the left weren’t in the throes of full-on psychotic antifa academia psychobabble they’d probably be sweeping every election.

    I bet if you ran charismatic good-looking men (or charismatic good-looking mothers) the right would become more successful. It’s not that hard to find them.

    But instead we get weirdos with strange backgrounds. We talk about coalition of the fringes on the left, but what about the coalition of fringes on the right? NRA nuts, Mormons, zionist evangelicals, war hawks….not an appealing bunch for your ordinary middle class white American.

    It’s men who are attracted to extreme political ideologies and get them going. Say what you will about women and their “follower” habits, but they are naturally hierarchical and moderate to conservative. If women could vote on their preferred type of government we’d probably have a constitutional monarchy, and that’s not a bad thing.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Many of those "NRA nuts" are my rural neighbors. Unlike with Democrats and city people, maybe 49 of 50 people they see during the day are white. Gun control isn't seen as an answer to anything, only a pointless and annoying intrusion.
    , @Rosie

    Say what you will about women and their “follower” habits, but they are naturally hierarchical and moderate to conservative.
     
    Reactionaries will tell you in one breath that the Enlightenment was The Worst Thing Ever. Then they'll tell you in the next breath that women are a problem because we're "irrational."
    , @J.Ross
    If "your ordinary middle class white American" doesn't love the Bill of Rights then he shouldn't be voting.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "I bet if you ran charismatic good-looking men (or charismatic good-looking mothers) the right would become more successful. It’s not that hard to find them."

    Believe it or not, before he decided to turn himself orange all over, Trump (ca.1970's thru mid. '90's) was considered to be a very Alpha, good-looking man. He was a man who literally exuded confidence, the very thing that women are attracted to. He was a successful businessman, got things done, etc.

    Ironically, the one Alpha male whom modern homosexuals do not have "gay fantasies" about, or have a cult following around where they secretly hope that's he's really gay. Ever notice that? There's literally no gaydar surrounding Trump at all. No gay would ever admit he might have a crush on the Donald. A bit surprised that Steve hasn't noticed to do a google gaydar search"--Trum--". Doesn't really show up.

    It's almost like the gays would say "Nah! He's definitely not gay, and you (the straight women) can have him!"

    And of course many many women have had the Donald, so that makes the point. Confident, charismatic, good looking, successful businessman, by definition, Trump is the penultimate person. Only downside was that he ran for President when he had turned orange and older. But, can't have everything.

    , @Anonymous

    But instead we get weirdos with strange backgrounds. We talk about coalition of the fringes on the left, but what about the coalition of fringes on the right? NRA nuts, Mormons, zionist evangelicals, war hawks….not an appealing bunch for your ordinary middle class white American.
     
    Yeah, the right is full of bacon-wrapped AR15-waving creeps and freaks.
    For some reason all the MGTOWs, incels and old-time women haters piled onto the right, alongside the prigs, prudes, you're-going-to-hell religious nuts, pick-up artists, strip club, cam girl and phone sex devotees, happy masturbators and pr0n enthusiasts. It is a very weird mix. And no more attractive to the "normie" than the lefties with their gays, lesbians, trans whatevers, pedophiles, happy aborters, "transgressive" artists and same-sex bathrooms.
    An ordinary person is turned off by both sides, one reason being the bug-eyed intensity of these true believers. The woo-woo rays emanating from both the left and right snap and crackle with high-voltage crazy. Well-adjusted people just don't get that worked up over what other people do and like, whether it is key parties or abstinence, atheism or mass multiple times a day. "Different strokes for different folks" as they used to say. They also used to say "live and let live." What fools they were!
    Or were they?
  51. @Rosie

    A lack of that kind of long term memory, or caring, if that’s what it is, is another reason women shouldn’t be voting.
     
    Achmed, the two-trick jack-ass, is there nothing you won't sink to? Now, our relative lack of interest in sports is cause for our disenfranchisement?

    “Now, our relative lack of interest in sports is cause for our disenfranchisement?”

    No, that was just as an example of women’s poor memory regarding history. Or didn’t you remember?

    • LOL: Rosie
  52. @Alden
    It’s the Cinderella thing. Also, Queens had a lot of power in contrast to Republican First Ladies.

    In the last 30 years those period movies have become even more popular because of the clothes. We actually yearn and lust for something more than black pantsuits black sweatshirts black T shirts and black black black in the stores.

    I had the summer Saks catalog. At least there were a few outfits that were in pretty colors.

    But the clothes were all way oversized. Dresses were all voluminous mumus. Just yards and yards of cloth no waist hip or bust to be seen. Tops were the same and halfway to the knees basically maternity tops. Pants were the same about a yard wide at the ankles.

    The only movies that have women in dresses shaped like a woman with a noticeable waist and bust and a pretty Colorado period movies and sure to draw a female audience

    There are exceptions though. Downtown Abbey was set 1912-1930 the ugliest era in women’s fashion in the last 100,000 years. Baggy blacky or mud brown and eggplant. Only watched a few minutes here and there. There was a wedding dress that looked like a nun’s nightgown.

    The Ms Fisher Australian series is set in the same time as Downton Frumpy. But those clothes are attractive. As attractive as 1920s clothes can be.

    If attractive women’s clothes in colors ever come back we won’t have to watch period dramas. For beautiful early 60s clothes get the DVDs of Girls of Rochefort and Umbrellas of Cherbourg

    Downtown Abbey was set 1912-1930 the ugliest era in women’s fashion in the last 100,000 years. Baggy blacky or mud brown and eggplant. Only watched a few minutes here and there. There was a wedding dress that looked like a nun’s nightgown.

    I know what you mean. The early seasons of DA take place from 1912-WWI, and the clothes are pretty ugly. I think the wedding dress you’re referring to is the one worn by Lady Mary, and ‘nun’s nightgown’ is generous; it looked like a bleached-out gunny sack to me. I suppose the show’s producers were going for historical verisimilitude in their choice of dress, but it didn’t look great, at least not on TV.

    Mrs Calvinist and Daughter C both noted a significant uptick in the female characters’ dresses once DA hit the 1920s. By its last season, which is set in the late 20s, even I could see that the costumes were pretty sumptuous.

  53. Anonymous[388] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    ...Will Finally Be Getting To Do Endorsements.
     
    Kristi Yamaguchi had no problem lining up endorsement deals. For eyeliner, of all things.


    Still, some endorsements will be condemned, such as Frank Gifford's for Lucky Strikes, or Mary Lou Retton's for Republican candidates.


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=krcNsTo_crE

    Kristi Yamaguchi had no problem lining up endorsement deals. For eyeliner, of all things.

    Kristi Yamaguchi also landed a marriage to NHL defensemen Brett Hedican (won The Cup with the Hurricanes). They met at the ‘92 Olympics and have been married since 2000 and have two kids.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Yes, he's a Minnesotan, and I met the family passing through on the way to the cabin once. Kristi, in fact, was blocking my vehicle's path. But unlike the snarky nobodies who had done the same in the past, she realized this and graciously stepped out of the way. I always liked her.

    The press always called her a "fourth-generation Californian". (Or was it fifth?) What they didn't say was that she's a fourth-generation pure Japanese Californian.

    Of course, that streak has broken.
  54. @R.G. Camara

    Can you not take a mild critique of your half of the human race?
     
    Have you never met a woman before? Of course they can't, the insecure little things.

    John Cleese nailed this hilariously in something that will surely be banned in the coming years:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftojWc-vUxQ

    Have you never met a woman before? Of course they can’t, the insecure little things.

    Since you appear to be retarded, I’ll spell it out for you. White women tend to be more satisfied with women’s rights than non-white women. Because of demographic change, the percentage of dissatisfied women will increase every year, not because women are getting more dissatisfied, but because the composition of the polled constituency is changing.

    Did you understand or did I use to many big words?

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    lol. You poor wittle insecure thing. I'm sowwy I use words too big for your little female brain to comprehend, and that hurts your feewings.
    , @Anonymous

    White women tend to be more satisfied with women’s rights than non-white women.
     
    I don't have any statistics or poll results at hand, but this goes against every single thing I have observed in the past ~15 years.
    , @Autochthon
    Make your husband a sandwich.
  55. @S. Anonyia
    Yeah, women vote for small c conservatism.

    Can you blame them for not getting excited about U.S Republicans? The right is making small improvements w/ Trumpism, but for the past couple of decades they have come across as a combination of fuddy-duddies and callous vulture capitalists. I mean, they are only better than the Democrats because they don't hate normal heterosexual white people as much. If the left weren't in the throes of full-on psychotic antifa academia psychobabble they'd probably be sweeping every election.

    I bet if you ran charismatic good-looking men (or charismatic good-looking mothers) the right would become more successful. It's not that hard to find them.

    But instead we get weirdos with strange backgrounds. We talk about coalition of the fringes on the left, but what about the coalition of fringes on the right? NRA nuts, Mormons, zionist evangelicals, war hawks....not an appealing bunch for your ordinary middle class white American.

    It's men who are attracted to extreme political ideologies and get them going. Say what you will about women and their "follower" habits, but they are naturally hierarchical and moderate to conservative. If women could vote on their preferred type of government we'd probably have a constitutional monarchy, and that's not a bad thing.

    Many of those “NRA nuts” are my rural neighbors. Unlike with Democrats and city people, maybe 49 of 50 people they see during the day are white. Gun control isn’t seen as an answer to anything, only a pointless and annoying intrusion.

  56. Fanny Blankers Koen was celebrated like no other athlete in history.

    The commentary is in Dutch, but the pictures speak for themselves.

  57. Professional spectator sports, for the most part, are a waste of time, money and mental energy which could be used for something physically or culturally productive.

    On the other hand, local amateur sports are useful in many ways, providing a useful point of community interaction and solidarity.

    Lately, the media has chosen to spotlight the very worst of the worst (arguably) female sports figures, like the resentful, sullen and vicious dyke Rapinoe or the poster girl for “groid” rage, Serena. Of course, this is exactly what the entertainment industry has done on an even greater scale- the elevation of the worst and most disgusting and the obscuring of the bright and good.

    Due to the censoriousness of this particular blogger we are not allowed to connect cause and effect, so we ought to just quote Thoreau:

    “Circumstantial evidence is very strong, as when one finds a trout in the milk.”

  58. @S. Anonyia
    Yeah, women vote for small c conservatism.

    Can you blame them for not getting excited about U.S Republicans? The right is making small improvements w/ Trumpism, but for the past couple of decades they have come across as a combination of fuddy-duddies and callous vulture capitalists. I mean, they are only better than the Democrats because they don't hate normal heterosexual white people as much. If the left weren't in the throes of full-on psychotic antifa academia psychobabble they'd probably be sweeping every election.

    I bet if you ran charismatic good-looking men (or charismatic good-looking mothers) the right would become more successful. It's not that hard to find them.

    But instead we get weirdos with strange backgrounds. We talk about coalition of the fringes on the left, but what about the coalition of fringes on the right? NRA nuts, Mormons, zionist evangelicals, war hawks....not an appealing bunch for your ordinary middle class white American.

    It's men who are attracted to extreme political ideologies and get them going. Say what you will about women and their "follower" habits, but they are naturally hierarchical and moderate to conservative. If women could vote on their preferred type of government we'd probably have a constitutional monarchy, and that's not a bad thing.

    Say what you will about women and their “follower” habits, but they are naturally hierarchical and moderate to conservative.

    Reactionaries will tell you in one breath that the Enlightenment was The Worst Thing Ever. Then they’ll tell you in the next breath that women are a problem because we’re “irrational.”

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    Reactionaries will tell you in one breath that the Enlightenment was The Worst Thing Ever. Then they’ll tell you in the next breath that women are a problem because we’re “irrational.”
     
    I'm not sure that the Enlightenment was actually rational. It was more a case of replacing one set of prejudices and superstitions with another set of prejudices and superstitions.
    , @J.Ross
    ... what does the age of European despotism have to do with personal rationality?
    , @ben tillman
    There's no contradiction there, Rosie. The Enlightenment was, in the respects that ultimately proved most important, irrational.
  59. @Rosie

    Say what you will about women and their “follower” habits, but they are naturally hierarchical and moderate to conservative.
     
    Reactionaries will tell you in one breath that the Enlightenment was The Worst Thing Ever. Then they'll tell you in the next breath that women are a problem because we're "irrational."

    Reactionaries will tell you in one breath that the Enlightenment was The Worst Thing Ever. Then they’ll tell you in the next breath that women are a problem because we’re “irrational.”

    I’m not sure that the Enlightenment was actually rational. It was more a case of replacing one set of prejudices and superstitions with another set of prejudices and superstitions.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    I’m not sure that the Enlightenment was actually rational. It was more a case of replacing one set of prejudices and superstitions with another set of prejudices and superstitions.
     
    I have learned from experience in life that there are ways of knowing that are not rational. Your grandma may not be able to give a full logical account of everything she believes and says, but that doesn't mean she isn't right.
  60. @Rosie

    Have you never met a woman before? Of course they can’t, the insecure little things.
     
    Since you appear to be retarded, I'll spell it out for you. White women tend to be more satisfied with women's rights than non-white women. Because of demographic change, the percentage of dissatisfied women will increase every year, not because women are getting more dissatisfied, but because the composition of the polled constituency is changing.

    Did you understand or did I use to many big words?

    lol. You poor wittle insecure thing. I’m sowwy I use words too big for your little female brain to comprehend, and that hurts your feewings.

  61. @Alden
    Look who men elected.

    Look who men elected.

    The poor dears are trying to come to grips with the fact that they’ve been had, that White women were right about the Republican party all this time. Egos bruised, they’re groping in the dark for some new pretext to oppose us.

  62. Babe Didrikson, you amnesiacs calling others amnesiacs.

  63. I thought Caitlyn Jenner was the most famous woman athlete ever.

  64. @Rosie

    Say what you will about women and their “follower” habits, but they are naturally hierarchical and moderate to conservative.
     
    Reactionaries will tell you in one breath that the Enlightenment was The Worst Thing Ever. Then they'll tell you in the next breath that women are a problem because we're "irrational."

    … what does the age of European despotism have to do with personal rationality?

  65. @S. Anonyia
    Yeah, women vote for small c conservatism.

    Can you blame them for not getting excited about U.S Republicans? The right is making small improvements w/ Trumpism, but for the past couple of decades they have come across as a combination of fuddy-duddies and callous vulture capitalists. I mean, they are only better than the Democrats because they don't hate normal heterosexual white people as much. If the left weren't in the throes of full-on psychotic antifa academia psychobabble they'd probably be sweeping every election.

    I bet if you ran charismatic good-looking men (or charismatic good-looking mothers) the right would become more successful. It's not that hard to find them.

    But instead we get weirdos with strange backgrounds. We talk about coalition of the fringes on the left, but what about the coalition of fringes on the right? NRA nuts, Mormons, zionist evangelicals, war hawks....not an appealing bunch for your ordinary middle class white American.

    It's men who are attracted to extreme political ideologies and get them going. Say what you will about women and their "follower" habits, but they are naturally hierarchical and moderate to conservative. If women could vote on their preferred type of government we'd probably have a constitutional monarchy, and that's not a bad thing.

    If “your ordinary middle class white American” doesn’t love the Bill of Rights then he shouldn’t be voting.

  66. @Steve Sailer
    Right. Gay men keep alive the memory of famous women of the past like Judy Garland.

    My favorite euphemism for a gay man is a ‘friend of Dorothy.’

  67. … what does the age of European despotism have to do with personal rationality?

    I’m not talking about the enlightened despotism. I’m talking about Enlightenment values.

  68. @Twodees Partain
    Who is Hope Solo?

    “Who is Hope Solo?” The daughter of Han and Leia.

    Actually, I don’t recall a single play she was involved in, just that she posted pictures of her shaven snatch on the ‘net and assaulted her nephew.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    Oh, the horror. You mean she didn't even post a before pic of it before she shaved?
  69. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Flojo. She did it all with traps like a linebacker and 5" fingernails.

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HE5-FR_zK0g/USw21jJltRI/AAAAAAAAAM4/6cbs8yS0yaQ/s1600/FloJo-718856.jpg

    Flojo. She did it all with traps like a linebacker and 5″ fingernails.

    In retrospect, it seems like the long flowing (weave) hair, the fingernails, and the harlequin outfits were all designed to draw attention away from the fact that she had a body like a man.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    In Game of Shadows, the ultimate book on PEDS in sports during the 90s/early 2000's (e.g. Balco scandal) speculates that FloJo was a user of PEDS.
  70. @dfordoom

    Reactionaries will tell you in one breath that the Enlightenment was The Worst Thing Ever. Then they’ll tell you in the next breath that women are a problem because we’re “irrational.”
     
    I'm not sure that the Enlightenment was actually rational. It was more a case of replacing one set of prejudices and superstitions with another set of prejudices and superstitions.

    I’m not sure that the Enlightenment was actually rational. It was more a case of replacing one set of prejudices and superstitions with another set of prejudices and superstitions.

    I have learned from experience in life that there are ways of knowing that are not rational. Your grandma may not be able to give a full logical account of everything she believes and says, but that doesn’t mean she isn’t right.

  71. @S. Anonyia
    Yeah, women vote for small c conservatism.

    Can you blame them for not getting excited about U.S Republicans? The right is making small improvements w/ Trumpism, but for the past couple of decades they have come across as a combination of fuddy-duddies and callous vulture capitalists. I mean, they are only better than the Democrats because they don't hate normal heterosexual white people as much. If the left weren't in the throes of full-on psychotic antifa academia psychobabble they'd probably be sweeping every election.

    I bet if you ran charismatic good-looking men (or charismatic good-looking mothers) the right would become more successful. It's not that hard to find them.

    But instead we get weirdos with strange backgrounds. We talk about coalition of the fringes on the left, but what about the coalition of fringes on the right? NRA nuts, Mormons, zionist evangelicals, war hawks....not an appealing bunch for your ordinary middle class white American.

    It's men who are attracted to extreme political ideologies and get them going. Say what you will about women and their "follower" habits, but they are naturally hierarchical and moderate to conservative. If women could vote on their preferred type of government we'd probably have a constitutional monarchy, and that's not a bad thing.

    “I bet if you ran charismatic good-looking men (or charismatic good-looking mothers) the right would become more successful. It’s not that hard to find them.”

    Believe it or not, before he decided to turn himself orange all over, Trump (ca.1970’s thru mid. ’90’s) was considered to be a very Alpha, good-looking man. He was a man who literally exuded confidence, the very thing that women are attracted to. He was a successful businessman, got things done, etc.

    Ironically, the one Alpha male whom modern homosexuals do not have “gay fantasies” about, or have a cult following around where they secretly hope that’s he’s really gay. Ever notice that? There’s literally no gaydar surrounding Trump at all. No gay would ever admit he might have a crush on the Donald. A bit surprised that Steve hasn’t noticed to do a google gaydar search”–Trum–“. Doesn’t really show up.

    It’s almost like the gays would say “Nah! He’s definitely not gay, and you (the straight women) can have him!”

    And of course many many women have had the Donald, so that makes the point. Confident, charismatic, good looking, successful businessman, by definition, Trump is the penultimate person. Only downside was that he ran for President when he had turned orange and older. But, can’t have everything.

    • Agree: S. Anonyia
    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    Great comment.

    I knew in early 2016 that Trump was going to be a force for the presidency when a dusky, divorced woman I know declared with flashing eyes that she loved Trump and couldn't wait to vote for him.

    Dang, it never occurred to me to look at an election and start having such fantasies.
  72. @Jonathan Mason

    Flojo. She did it all with traps like a linebacker and 5″ fingernails.
     
    In retrospect, it seems like the long flowing (weave) hair, the fingernails, and the harlequin outfits were all designed to draw attention away from the fact that she had a body like a man.

    In Game of Shadows, the ultimate book on PEDS in sports during the 90s/early 2000’s (e.g. Balco scandal) speculates that FloJo was a user of PEDS.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Flo-Jo kept coming in second in big races (1984 Olympics, 1987 World Championships) to juicers, so she called up Ben Johnson for advice on how to level the playing field before 1988.

    She was a little like Barry Bonds in being fairly late to the game and then demolishing the competition.

  73. @Anonymous
    Marion Jones used to be the most famous american women athlete. Who wouldn't like to forget her?

    By the way, those who didn't see Svetlana Boginskaya at her prime will never know what women's gymnastics can deliver in both absolute precision an mighty sexyness.

  74. You get the same effect on race when watching commentaries on old movies. Doesn’t matter the decade, every commentator is continually amazed at the role of blacks as revolutionary. Twenties through the seventies, at least.

  75. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    In Game of Shadows, the ultimate book on PEDS in sports during the 90s/early 2000's (e.g. Balco scandal) speculates that FloJo was a user of PEDS.

    Flo-Jo kept coming in second in big races (1984 Olympics, 1987 World Championships) to juicers, so she called up Ben Johnson for advice on how to level the playing field before 1988.

    She was a little like Barry Bonds in being fairly late to the game and then demolishing the competition.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Makes me also wonder about Gwen Torrence.

    And let's be honest: How do we really know that PEDS are totally 100% non-existent in today's track & field competitions? We really don't, not for certain. That would include this new High Schooler from Texas Matt Boling that you keep mentioning.

    Test him. Test him at unscheduled intervals (if they're not already). Let's not fall for the amazing storyline, especially in this day and age where big money could be involved.

  76. Nancy Lieberman is still around, especially in Dallas.

  77. @Rosie

    Say what you will about women and their “follower” habits, but they are naturally hierarchical and moderate to conservative.
     
    Reactionaries will tell you in one breath that the Enlightenment was The Worst Thing Ever. Then they'll tell you in the next breath that women are a problem because we're "irrational."

    There’s no contradiction there, Rosie. The Enlightenment was, in the respects that ultimately proved most important, irrational.

  78. @Steve Sailer
    Flo-Jo kept coming in second in big races (1984 Olympics, 1987 World Championships) to juicers, so she called up Ben Johnson for advice on how to level the playing field before 1988.

    She was a little like Barry Bonds in being fairly late to the game and then demolishing the competition.

    Makes me also wonder about Gwen Torrence.

    And let’s be honest: How do we really know that PEDS are totally 100% non-existent in today’s track & field competitions? We really don’t, not for certain. That would include this new High Schooler from Texas Matt Boling that you keep mentioning.

    Test him. Test him at unscheduled intervals (if they’re not already). Let’s not fall for the amazing storyline, especially in this day and age where big money could be involved.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I was watching a track meet at my dentist's office in 1996 and got into an interesting discussion of why all the sprinters wore braces.

    Generally, it's prudent to assume famous sprinters are guilty unless somehow proven innocent.

  79. @Steve Sailer
    Right. Gay men keep alive the memory of famous women of the past like Judy Garland.

    Right. Gay men keep alive the memory of famous women of the past like Judy Garland.

    Do straight women care about Judy Garland?From what I’ve seen, they seem to be far more interested in Audrey Hepburn and Marilyn Monroe.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Na-no, Audrey also has a gay following as well. A waif like her? Desired among red blooded males? Come now, the idea of that, really.

    Now, Jayne Mansfield, there's a woman with total "it"! Amazing. Smoldering. Sizzling. She totally reeked, REEKED, of sensuality. Up there with Raquel Welch in her prime.

    And don't forget to include Bridgette Bardot as well. Catherine Denevue too. Those gals would be examples of what straight men truly appreciated about classic cinema beauty.
  80. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Makes me also wonder about Gwen Torrence.

    And let's be honest: How do we really know that PEDS are totally 100% non-existent in today's track & field competitions? We really don't, not for certain. That would include this new High Schooler from Texas Matt Boling that you keep mentioning.

    Test him. Test him at unscheduled intervals (if they're not already). Let's not fall for the amazing storyline, especially in this day and age where big money could be involved.

    I was watching a track meet at my dentist’s office in 1996 and got into an interesting discussion of why all the sprinters wore braces.

    Generally, it’s prudent to assume famous sprinters are guilty unless somehow proven innocent.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Regarding wearing braces, I'm not following you. Do PEDS affect a person's teeth?

    Well, that's pretty much the point that Game of Shadows makes. Ben Johnson's Canadian Coach, Charlie Francis, before his ban from the Olympics, stated that all nations cheat to win in the Olympics, including the US. Cheat or lose, was Francis's point.

    So we basically have come to that point. Only a naive fool thinks that modern athletes setting amazing records did it the old fashioned way, with no cheating. All except Babe Ruth, as PEDS didn't exist during his time. (His work out regiment was basically no different than what an ordinary person today could do if they went to LA Fitness and hired a trainer for a couple of hours to help devise a basic work out regiment).

    This hardened real world attitude harkens back to Jim Bouton's original preference in Ball Four: "If the Media had been telling the public the truth of what went on inside baseball, there'd have been no controversy surrounding my book."

    Makes one wonder what else the media is covering up, not just in sports.

  81. @John Derbyshire
    Is Tamara Press now forgotten? [Sigh.] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamara_Press

    Given that true sons of the soil here have submitted similar abominations to the eye and that ICE has been enfeebled, it’s unlikely that Mr. Derbyshire’s offense will result in his repatriation and racination.

    Perhaps “…The Media Can Never Remember Famous Women Athlete’s Of The Past,” but it;s rather easy to recall the name of the Tennis Great, Margaret Court – though I didn’t remember until Googling that she was an Aussie; not a Brit.

    J.D. is surely much aware of the former existence of a famous Englishwoman, who, though probably unranked (described as merely “adept” in an obit), is primarily thought of as playing tennis. To digress – in an earlier thread, an iSteve commenter posted a picture of the amply-bossommed Katarina Witt and asserted that, “Sports favor women with boyish bodies.” I haven’t the foggiest if it’s a trope, truism. canard or none of the above that (maybe the result of buggering among British schoolboys) many Englishmen like their women boyish. -Not to Witt, but to wit:

    “Love-thirty, love-forty, oh! weakness of joy,
    The speed of a swallow, the grace of a boy,
    With carefullest carelessness, gaily you won,
    I am weak from your loveliness, Joan Hunter Dunn”.

    https://www.poetseers.org/poets/john-betjeman/love-song/

    Yeah, not the stuff of Billie Jean King vs. Bobby Riggs nor iSteve commenter Rosie agin’ Achmed E. Newman. Wandering further off topic, there’s a lot of sweet ‘n sad stuff about John Betjeman and Joan Hunter Dunn on the net. I’ve never been to Limey Land, but did watch most of “The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp.” The colonel has something of unrequited love for two out of the three incarnations of British womanhood – each played by Deborah Kerr – (like Dunn – a redhead). If memory serves, commenter Buzz Mohawk posted something about Caucasians being the true people of color.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2008/apr/18/johnbetjeman
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1895818/Joan-Jackson.html

    The following came as something of a surprise (should disclose that I was told as a tyke that my maternal great-grandfather was Irish and that when I mentioned that to someone, he said something along the lines of, “Sorry; the one-drop applies.”)

    https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/books/the-poem-that-saved-a-terribly-english-spy-from-death-in-dublin-26441419.html

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    I have a single friend who barely avoided a lifetime ban from the wives for commenting, during the final program of the Kerrigan-Harding Olympic sideshow, that Witt should get an extra half point for doing axels with those enormous boobs!
    , @John Derbyshire
    Betjeman married a woman of the bossy, sporty type. "For the first year of his employment, Penelope's German cook, who spoke no English, believed that Betjeman's name was 'Shut up,' since Penelope said this to him so often." https://tinyurl.com/yxzg9url
  82. I’m a pre-21st century country music fan, and I’ve noticed the same dynamic of forgetting the contributions of past female artists in that field as well. A few years ago I heard some women on TV discussing how women artists were finally crashing the “old boys club” of country music. I was mystified, since I remember back in the 1990s when Reba McIntyre et al. were finally crashing the “old boys club” of country music. Of course, I remember being mystified then too, since I recall that in the 1970s Dolly Parton and her friends were finally crashing the “old boys club” of country music. For anything before that, I have to rely on documentaries about the history of country music, which assure me that in the 1960s, Patsy Cline and Loretta Lynn finally crashed the “old boys club” of country music. Of course, it was a little bit surreal watching that documentary, since I’d watched a similar documentary the week before about country music in the 1950s, which detailed how the strong and independent Kitty Wells had finally crashed the “old boys club” of country music.
    Personally, I was always a fan of those original artists that built the “old boys club” in the first place, especially Mother Maybelle Carter.
    Feminism requires forgetfulness, but it’s really unfair to our mothers and grandmothers.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Right. I read a feminist book about country music 25 years ago, and it was exactly as you described.
    , @Old Prude
    Great comment.
  83. @Anonymous

    Kristi Yamaguchi had no problem lining up endorsement deals. For eyeliner, of all things.
     
    Kristi Yamaguchi also landed a marriage to NHL defensemen Brett Hedican (won The Cup with the Hurricanes). They met at the ‘92 Olympics and have been married since 2000 and have two kids.

    http://a1.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0213/espnw_athlete_couples_08.jpg

    Yes, he’s a Minnesotan, and I met the family passing through on the way to the cabin once. Kristi, in fact, was blocking my vehicle’s path. But unlike the snarky nobodies who had done the same in the past, she realized this and graciously stepped out of the way. I always liked her.

    The press always called her a “fourth-generation Californian”. (Or was it fifth?) What they didn’t say was that she’s a fourth-generation pure Japanese Californian.

    Of course, that streak has broken.

  84. @Rosie

    Female solipsism never disappoints.
     
    When you don't have an argument, say something cryptic and hope nobody notices.

    Argument?

    Steve said women don’t GAF about history. You say you don’t GAF about history.

    Doesn’t get anymore straightforward than that.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    You say you don’t GAF about history.
     
    I said nothing of the sort.
  85. @He's Spartacus
    I'm a pre-21st century country music fan, and I've noticed the same dynamic of forgetting the contributions of past female artists in that field as well. A few years ago I heard some women on TV discussing how women artists were finally crashing the "old boys club" of country music. I was mystified, since I remember back in the 1990s when Reba McIntyre et al. were finally crashing the "old boys club" of country music. Of course, I remember being mystified then too, since I recall that in the 1970s Dolly Parton and her friends were finally crashing the "old boys club" of country music. For anything before that, I have to rely on documentaries about the history of country music, which assure me that in the 1960s, Patsy Cline and Loretta Lynn finally crashed the "old boys club" of country music. Of course, it was a little bit surreal watching that documentary, since I'd watched a similar documentary the week before about country music in the 1950s, which detailed how the strong and independent Kitty Wells had finally crashed the "old boys club" of country music.
    Personally, I was always a fan of those original artists that built the "old boys club" in the first place, especially Mother Maybelle Carter.
    Feminism requires forgetfulness, but it's really unfair to our mothers and grandmothers.

    Right. I read a feminist book about country music 25 years ago, and it was exactly as you described.

  86. @Desiderius
    Argument?

    Steve said women don’t GAF about history. You say you don’t GAF about history.

    Doesn’t get anymore straightforward than that.

    You say you don’t GAF about history.

    I said nothing of the sort.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    https://media.tenor.co/images/939e400cabb2bf62ee2a0db825e6a3a4/tenor.gif
  87. Anonymous[356] • Disclaimer says:
    @S. Anonyia
    Yeah, women vote for small c conservatism.

    Can you blame them for not getting excited about U.S Republicans? The right is making small improvements w/ Trumpism, but for the past couple of decades they have come across as a combination of fuddy-duddies and callous vulture capitalists. I mean, they are only better than the Democrats because they don't hate normal heterosexual white people as much. If the left weren't in the throes of full-on psychotic antifa academia psychobabble they'd probably be sweeping every election.

    I bet if you ran charismatic good-looking men (or charismatic good-looking mothers) the right would become more successful. It's not that hard to find them.

    But instead we get weirdos with strange backgrounds. We talk about coalition of the fringes on the left, but what about the coalition of fringes on the right? NRA nuts, Mormons, zionist evangelicals, war hawks....not an appealing bunch for your ordinary middle class white American.

    It's men who are attracted to extreme political ideologies and get them going. Say what you will about women and their "follower" habits, but they are naturally hierarchical and moderate to conservative. If women could vote on their preferred type of government we'd probably have a constitutional monarchy, and that's not a bad thing.

    But instead we get weirdos with strange backgrounds. We talk about coalition of the fringes on the left, but what about the coalition of fringes on the right? NRA nuts, Mormons, zionist evangelicals, war hawks….not an appealing bunch for your ordinary middle class white American.

    Yeah, the right is full of bacon-wrapped AR15-waving creeps and freaks.
    For some reason all the MGTOWs, incels and old-time women haters piled onto the right, alongside the prigs, prudes, you’re-going-to-hell religious nuts, pick-up artists, strip club, cam girl and phone sex devotees, happy masturbators and pr0n enthusiasts. It is a very weird mix. And no more attractive to the “normie” than the lefties with their gays, lesbians, trans whatevers, pedophiles, happy aborters, “transgressive” artists and same-sex bathrooms.
    An ordinary person is turned off by both sides, one reason being the bug-eyed intensity of these true believers. The woo-woo rays emanating from both the left and right snap and crackle with high-voltage crazy. Well-adjusted people just don’t get that worked up over what other people do and like, whether it is key parties or abstinence, atheism or mass multiple times a day. “Different strokes for different folks” as they used to say. They also used to say “live and let live.” What fools they were!
    Or were they?

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Yeah, the right is full of bacon-wrapped AR15-waving creeps and freaks.
    For some reason all the MGTOWs, incels and old-time women haters piled onto the right, alongside the prigs, prudes, you’re-going-to-hell religious nuts, pick-up artists, strip club, cam girl and phone sex devotees, happy masturbators and pr0n enthusiasts.
     
    Quite a cohencidence, isn't it?

    The playbook is always the same.

    Demand a nominal free speech policy, then culture jam so that only one point of view ever gets heard. The result is that there is no real free speech, no sincere inquiry, and no prospects for an actionable consensus.

    On the dissident right, the words "cuck" and "white knight" function to silence and stifle productive debate on the WQ. One set of men bitches about "careerist" women; another set of men bitches about the fact that men pay the most taxes. Noone ever bothers to point out that if men are paying the most taxes, perhaps women aren't that "careerist" after all, because that would be "white knighting," you see. Silly white men fall for this every. single. time.

    You will not find a more sincere believer in the truth-finding power of free and open debate, but it only works if you actually have free and open debate. As the laws of the physical universe are finely tuned to support life on Earth, so are the terms of debate finely-tuned to lead inexorably to impotent rage on the right.
  88. @syonredux

    But what I now realize is that the vast majority of women are less nostalgic about the past than are men. Women are more interested in fashion and the new.
     
    I'll offer a caveat, Steve. Women are interested in the past, but only if it involves things that women genuinely care about. Hence, the vast female interest in sexed-up docudramas about the Tudors* and glamorous movie stars (Elizabeth Taylor, Marilyn Monroe, etc).



    *Women are inherently royalist, as monarchies are all about genealogies, who's boffing whom, fertility (can she produce an heir?), female desirability, etc. Republican politics, in contrast, are too drearily masculine for women.....

    Women get the tingles from the idea of being the defiant heroine who shocks her stylish but constricting society. That describes about 90% of the fiction aimed at them.

  89. @He's Spartacus
    I'm a pre-21st century country music fan, and I've noticed the same dynamic of forgetting the contributions of past female artists in that field as well. A few years ago I heard some women on TV discussing how women artists were finally crashing the "old boys club" of country music. I was mystified, since I remember back in the 1990s when Reba McIntyre et al. were finally crashing the "old boys club" of country music. Of course, I remember being mystified then too, since I recall that in the 1970s Dolly Parton and her friends were finally crashing the "old boys club" of country music. For anything before that, I have to rely on documentaries about the history of country music, which assure me that in the 1960s, Patsy Cline and Loretta Lynn finally crashed the "old boys club" of country music. Of course, it was a little bit surreal watching that documentary, since I'd watched a similar documentary the week before about country music in the 1950s, which detailed how the strong and independent Kitty Wells had finally crashed the "old boys club" of country music.
    Personally, I was always a fan of those original artists that built the "old boys club" in the first place, especially Mother Maybelle Carter.
    Feminism requires forgetfulness, but it's really unfair to our mothers and grandmothers.

    Great comment.

  90. Anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Have you never met a woman before? Of course they can’t, the insecure little things.
     
    Since you appear to be retarded, I'll spell it out for you. White women tend to be more satisfied with women's rights than non-white women. Because of demographic change, the percentage of dissatisfied women will increase every year, not because women are getting more dissatisfied, but because the composition of the polled constituency is changing.

    Did you understand or did I use to many big words?

    White women tend to be more satisfied with women’s rights than non-white women.

    I don’t have any statistics or poll results at hand, but this goes against every single thing I have observed in the past ~15 years.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    I don’t have any statistics or poll results at hand, but this goes against every single thing I have observed in the past ~15 years.
     
    That's why I posted a link upthread. Comment #26
  91. @reactionry
    Given that true sons of the soil here have submitted similar abominations to the eye and that ICE has been enfeebled, it's unlikely that Mr. Derbyshire's offense will result in his repatriation and racination.

    Perhaps "...The Media Can Never Remember Famous Women Athlete's Of The Past," but it;s rather easy to recall the name of the Tennis Great, Margaret Court - though I didn't remember until Googling that she was an Aussie; not a Brit.

    J.D. is surely much aware of the former existence of a famous Englishwoman, who, though probably unranked (described as merely "adept" in an obit), is primarily thought of as playing tennis. To digress - in an earlier thread, an iSteve commenter posted a picture of the amply-bossommed Katarina Witt and asserted that, "Sports favor women with boyish bodies." I haven't the foggiest if it's a trope, truism. canard or none of the above that (maybe the result of buggering among British schoolboys) many Englishmen like their women boyish. -Not to Witt, but to wit:

    "Love-thirty, love-forty, oh! weakness of joy,
    The speed of a swallow, the grace of a boy,
    With carefullest carelessness, gaily you won,
    I am weak from your loveliness, Joan Hunter Dunn".

    https://www.poetseers.org/poets/john-betjeman/love-song/

    Yeah, not the stuff of Billie Jean King vs. Bobby Riggs nor iSteve commenter Rosie agin' Achmed E. Newman. Wandering further off topic, there's a lot of sweet 'n sad stuff about John Betjeman and Joan Hunter Dunn on the net. I've never been to Limey Land, but did watch most of "The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp." The colonel has something of unrequited love for two out of the three incarnations of British womanhood - each played by Deborah Kerr - (like Dunn - a redhead). If memory serves, commenter Buzz Mohawk posted something about Caucasians being the true people of color.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2008/apr/18/johnbetjeman
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1895818/Joan-Jackson.html

    The following came as something of a surprise (should disclose that I was told as a tyke that my maternal great-grandfather was Irish and that when I mentioned that to someone, he said something along the lines of, "Sorry; the one-drop applies.")

    https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/books/the-poem-that-saved-a-terribly-english-spy-from-death-in-dublin-26441419.html

    I have a single friend who barely avoided a lifetime ban from the wives for commenting, during the final program of the Kerrigan-Harding Olympic sideshow, that Witt should get an extra half point for doing axels with those enormous boobs!

  92. @reactionry
    Given that true sons of the soil here have submitted similar abominations to the eye and that ICE has been enfeebled, it's unlikely that Mr. Derbyshire's offense will result in his repatriation and racination.

    Perhaps "...The Media Can Never Remember Famous Women Athlete's Of The Past," but it;s rather easy to recall the name of the Tennis Great, Margaret Court - though I didn't remember until Googling that she was an Aussie; not a Brit.

    J.D. is surely much aware of the former existence of a famous Englishwoman, who, though probably unranked (described as merely "adept" in an obit), is primarily thought of as playing tennis. To digress - in an earlier thread, an iSteve commenter posted a picture of the amply-bossommed Katarina Witt and asserted that, "Sports favor women with boyish bodies." I haven't the foggiest if it's a trope, truism. canard or none of the above that (maybe the result of buggering among British schoolboys) many Englishmen like their women boyish. -Not to Witt, but to wit:

    "Love-thirty, love-forty, oh! weakness of joy,
    The speed of a swallow, the grace of a boy,
    With carefullest carelessness, gaily you won,
    I am weak from your loveliness, Joan Hunter Dunn".

    https://www.poetseers.org/poets/john-betjeman/love-song/

    Yeah, not the stuff of Billie Jean King vs. Bobby Riggs nor iSteve commenter Rosie agin' Achmed E. Newman. Wandering further off topic, there's a lot of sweet 'n sad stuff about John Betjeman and Joan Hunter Dunn on the net. I've never been to Limey Land, but did watch most of "The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp." The colonel has something of unrequited love for two out of the three incarnations of British womanhood - each played by Deborah Kerr - (like Dunn - a redhead). If memory serves, commenter Buzz Mohawk posted something about Caucasians being the true people of color.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2008/apr/18/johnbetjeman
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1895818/Joan-Jackson.html

    The following came as something of a surprise (should disclose that I was told as a tyke that my maternal great-grandfather was Irish and that when I mentioned that to someone, he said something along the lines of, "Sorry; the one-drop applies.")

    https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/books/the-poem-that-saved-a-terribly-english-spy-from-death-in-dublin-26441419.html

    Betjeman married a woman of the bossy, sporty type. “For the first year of his employment, Penelope’s German cook, who spoke no English, believed that Betjeman’s name was ‘Shut up,’ since Penelope said this to him so often.” https://tinyurl.com/yxzg9url

  93. @Anonymous

    But instead we get weirdos with strange backgrounds. We talk about coalition of the fringes on the left, but what about the coalition of fringes on the right? NRA nuts, Mormons, zionist evangelicals, war hawks….not an appealing bunch for your ordinary middle class white American.
     
    Yeah, the right is full of bacon-wrapped AR15-waving creeps and freaks.
    For some reason all the MGTOWs, incels and old-time women haters piled onto the right, alongside the prigs, prudes, you're-going-to-hell religious nuts, pick-up artists, strip club, cam girl and phone sex devotees, happy masturbators and pr0n enthusiasts. It is a very weird mix. And no more attractive to the "normie" than the lefties with their gays, lesbians, trans whatevers, pedophiles, happy aborters, "transgressive" artists and same-sex bathrooms.
    An ordinary person is turned off by both sides, one reason being the bug-eyed intensity of these true believers. The woo-woo rays emanating from both the left and right snap and crackle with high-voltage crazy. Well-adjusted people just don't get that worked up over what other people do and like, whether it is key parties or abstinence, atheism or mass multiple times a day. "Different strokes for different folks" as they used to say. They also used to say "live and let live." What fools they were!
    Or were they?

    Yeah, the right is full of bacon-wrapped AR15-waving creeps and freaks.
    For some reason all the MGTOWs, incels and old-time women haters piled onto the right, alongside the prigs, prudes, you’re-going-to-hell religious nuts, pick-up artists, strip club, cam girl and phone sex devotees, happy masturbators and pr0n enthusiasts.

    Quite a cohencidence, isn’t it?

    The playbook is always the same.

    Demand a nominal free speech policy, then culture jam so that only one point of view ever gets heard. The result is that there is no real free speech, no sincere inquiry, and no prospects for an actionable consensus.

    On the dissident right, the words “cuck” and “white knight” function to silence and stifle productive debate on the WQ. One set of men bitches about “careerist” women; another set of men bitches about the fact that men pay the most taxes. Noone ever bothers to point out that if men are paying the most taxes, perhaps women aren’t that “careerist” after all, because that would be “white knighting,” you see. Silly white men fall for this every. single. time.

    You will not find a more sincere believer in the truth-finding power of free and open debate, but it only works if you actually have free and open debate. As the laws of the physical universe are finely tuned to support life on Earth, so are the terms of debate finely-tuned to lead inexorably to impotent rage on the right.

  94. @syonredux

    Right. Gay men keep alive the memory of famous women of the past like Judy Garland.
     
    Do straight women care about Judy Garland?From what I've seen, they seem to be far more interested in Audrey Hepburn and Marilyn Monroe.

    Na-no, Audrey also has a gay following as well. A waif like her? Desired among red blooded males? Come now, the idea of that, really.

    Now, Jayne Mansfield, there’s a woman with total “it”! Amazing. Smoldering. Sizzling. She totally reeked, REEKED, of sensuality. Up there with Raquel Welch in her prime.

    And don’t forget to include Bridgette Bardot as well. Catherine Denevue too. Those gals would be examples of what straight men truly appreciated about classic cinema beauty.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    Is Audrey Hepburn in her movies attractive to you? Or do you find that skinniness to be grotesque?

    I looked through her pictures and she aged really well... at least, her official pictures show an elegant, thin woman. She died in her early 60's, though.
    , @syonredux

    Na-no, Audrey also has a gay following as well.
     
    Probably. But it doesn't seem to match the ardour that Gays feel for Judy....

    A waif like her? Desired among red blooded males? Come now, the idea of that, really.
     
    https://thefashiontag.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/audrey-hepburn-style-3.jpg

    Looks pretty good to me.....

    Now, Jayne Mansfield, there’s a woman with total “it”! Amazing. Smoldering. Sizzling. She totally reeked, REEKED, of sensuality.
     
    https://www.picsofcelebrities.com/celebrity/jayne-mansfield/pictures/large/jayne-mansfield-2016.jpg



    Too coarse....like a pig given human form....
  95. @Steve Sailer
    I was watching a track meet at my dentist's office in 1996 and got into an interesting discussion of why all the sprinters wore braces.

    Generally, it's prudent to assume famous sprinters are guilty unless somehow proven innocent.

    Regarding wearing braces, I’m not following you. Do PEDS affect a person’s teeth?

    Well, that’s pretty much the point that Game of Shadows makes. Ben Johnson’s Canadian Coach, Charlie Francis, before his ban from the Olympics, stated that all nations cheat to win in the Olympics, including the US. Cheat or lose, was Francis’s point.

    So we basically have come to that point. Only a naive fool thinks that modern athletes setting amazing records did it the old fashioned way, with no cheating. All except Babe Ruth, as PEDS didn’t exist during his time. (His work out regiment was basically no different than what an ordinary person today could do if they went to LA Fitness and hired a trainer for a couple of hours to help devise a basic work out regiment).

    This hardened real world attitude harkens back to Jim Bouton’s original preference in Ball Four: “If the Media had been telling the public the truth of what went on inside baseball, there’d have been no controversy surrounding my book.”

    Makes one wonder what else the media is covering up, not just in sports.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    I reckon he means braces for one's knees or other joints worn by runners, usually made of neoprene. The implication ia that these might hide sites for injections or be needed because of the damage to joints caused by using drugs.

    https://www.betterbraces.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/d/o/donjoy-performance-bionic-knee-brace-black-dp151kb04.jpg
  96. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "I bet if you ran charismatic good-looking men (or charismatic good-looking mothers) the right would become more successful. It’s not that hard to find them."

    Believe it or not, before he decided to turn himself orange all over, Trump (ca.1970's thru mid. '90's) was considered to be a very Alpha, good-looking man. He was a man who literally exuded confidence, the very thing that women are attracted to. He was a successful businessman, got things done, etc.

    Ironically, the one Alpha male whom modern homosexuals do not have "gay fantasies" about, or have a cult following around where they secretly hope that's he's really gay. Ever notice that? There's literally no gaydar surrounding Trump at all. No gay would ever admit he might have a crush on the Donald. A bit surprised that Steve hasn't noticed to do a google gaydar search"--Trum--". Doesn't really show up.

    It's almost like the gays would say "Nah! He's definitely not gay, and you (the straight women) can have him!"

    And of course many many women have had the Donald, so that makes the point. Confident, charismatic, good looking, successful businessman, by definition, Trump is the penultimate person. Only downside was that he ran for President when he had turned orange and older. But, can't have everything.

    Great comment.

    I knew in early 2016 that Trump was going to be a force for the presidency when a dusky, divorced woman I know declared with flashing eyes that she loved Trump and couldn’t wait to vote for him.

    Dang, it never occurred to me to look at an election and start having such fantasies.

  97. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Na-no, Audrey also has a gay following as well. A waif like her? Desired among red blooded males? Come now, the idea of that, really.

    Now, Jayne Mansfield, there's a woman with total "it"! Amazing. Smoldering. Sizzling. She totally reeked, REEKED, of sensuality. Up there with Raquel Welch in her prime.

    And don't forget to include Bridgette Bardot as well. Catherine Denevue too. Those gals would be examples of what straight men truly appreciated about classic cinema beauty.

    Is Audrey Hepburn in her movies attractive to you? Or do you find that skinniness to be grotesque?

    I looked through her pictures and she aged really well… at least, her official pictures show an elegant, thin woman. She died in her early 60’s, though.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Uh, no. There is such a thing as being "too thin", and that's too thin, almost Karen Carpenter anorexia. Come on. Eat a cookie, it's better than starving yourself.
  98. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Na-no, Audrey also has a gay following as well. A waif like her? Desired among red blooded males? Come now, the idea of that, really.

    Now, Jayne Mansfield, there's a woman with total "it"! Amazing. Smoldering. Sizzling. She totally reeked, REEKED, of sensuality. Up there with Raquel Welch in her prime.

    And don't forget to include Bridgette Bardot as well. Catherine Denevue too. Those gals would be examples of what straight men truly appreciated about classic cinema beauty.

    Na-no, Audrey also has a gay following as well.

    Probably. But it doesn’t seem to match the ardour that Gays feel for Judy….

    A waif like her? Desired among red blooded males? Come now, the idea of that, really.

    Looks pretty good to me…..

    Now, Jayne Mansfield, there’s a woman with total “it”! Amazing. Smoldering. Sizzling. She totally reeked, REEKED, of sensuality.

    Too coarse….like a pig given human form….

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Oh, come no, Kath, you can post better pictures of Jayne. That's not exactly an even playing field. There are much better pictures of Jayne than that. But then, when one has to lower the standards in order to raise those at the bottom, methinks one is attempting to cheat just a bit.

    And no, no, and no, Audrey is too...androgyn. I assume for all intents and purposes that she was a woman, I won't argue that point. But come on. Eat a cookie, it won't hurt you. Karen Carpenter had her fans as well I'm sure. Both are too thin. The closest resemblance to Audrey today are the several trans. Even TS Jenner resembles more a woman than does Audrey. I'll take your word that she was born and lived her life as a woman, but not exactly sure, though. Kinda, sorta. She cried like a woman in Roman Holiday, but body wise? No....not so sure about that.

    But for healthy cheek bone quality, bone structure, awesome to goodness fantastic cheesecake, why don't you post Raquel Welch in her prime? As in, the famous poster from 1 Million BC? Raquel topped them all from that generation (or at least was at that level). No doubt that that was a woman: Reeking of sexuality, smoldering of amazing qualities, and sizzling of what a lifetime classic beauty is really all about. Raquel, thy name IS woman.

    The famous pinup of Welch from Shawshank Redemption, and then let those here make an honest decision as to which woman had "it", had the power to melt hearts, make men swoon, etc.

    https://vistapointe.net/image-post/9507-one-million-years-bc-1.jpg.html

  99. @Bard of Bumperstickers
    Women have outstanding long-term memory. They perennially recall toilet seats left up, for example; holiday remembrances overlooked, other women's names grunted during intimacy, etc. It's passed down matrilineally, via kvetch-ochondrial DNA.

    Women have outstanding long-term memory. They perennially recall toilet seats left up, for example; holiday remembrances overlooked, other women’s names grunted during intimacy, etc. It’s passed down matrilineally, via kvetch-ochondrial DNA.

    Peter Brimelow used the word ‘matrilineality’ recently.

    Matrilineally and matrilineality makes me think of Ethel Merman in the movie It’s A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World in her tight dress in the back seat giving Milton Berle a ration of shit for this or that and surfer dude Dick Shawn vowing to get revenge on anyone who would cause grief for his mother played by Merman.

    Ethel Merman was half German and half Scottish, if the internet is to be believed.

    Trump is half German and half Scottish, as is Christopher Walken.

    Ethel Merman played a good comedic mother-in-law. She didn’t let Milton Berle get away with any scene-stealing bullshit.

  100. @stillCARealist
    Is Audrey Hepburn in her movies attractive to you? Or do you find that skinniness to be grotesque?

    I looked through her pictures and she aged really well... at least, her official pictures show an elegant, thin woman. She died in her early 60's, though.

    Uh, no. There is such a thing as being “too thin”, and that’s too thin, almost Karen Carpenter anorexia. Come on. Eat a cookie, it’s better than starving yourself.

  101. @syonredux

    Na-no, Audrey also has a gay following as well.
     
    Probably. But it doesn't seem to match the ardour that Gays feel for Judy....

    A waif like her? Desired among red blooded males? Come now, the idea of that, really.
     
    https://thefashiontag.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/audrey-hepburn-style-3.jpg

    Looks pretty good to me.....

    Now, Jayne Mansfield, there’s a woman with total “it”! Amazing. Smoldering. Sizzling. She totally reeked, REEKED, of sensuality.
     
    https://www.picsofcelebrities.com/celebrity/jayne-mansfield/pictures/large/jayne-mansfield-2016.jpg



    Too coarse....like a pig given human form....

    Oh, come no, Kath, you can post better pictures of Jayne. That’s not exactly an even playing field. There are much better pictures of Jayne than that. But then, when one has to lower the standards in order to raise those at the bottom, methinks one is attempting to cheat just a bit.

    And no, no, and no, Audrey is too…androgyn. I assume for all intents and purposes that she was a woman, I won’t argue that point. But come on. Eat a cookie, it won’t hurt you. Karen Carpenter had her fans as well I’m sure. Both are too thin. The closest resemblance to Audrey today are the several trans. Even TS Jenner resembles more a woman than does Audrey. I’ll take your word that she was born and lived her life as a woman, but not exactly sure, though. Kinda, sorta. She cried like a woman in Roman Holiday, but body wise? No….not so sure about that.

    But for healthy cheek bone quality, bone structure, awesome to goodness fantastic cheesecake, why don’t you post Raquel Welch in her prime? As in, the famous poster from 1 Million BC? Raquel topped them all from that generation (or at least was at that level). No doubt that that was a woman: Reeking of sexuality, smoldering of amazing qualities, and sizzling of what a lifetime classic beauty is really all about. Raquel, thy name IS woman.

    The famous pinup of Welch from Shawshank Redemption, and then let those here make an honest decision as to which woman had “it”, had the power to melt hearts, make men swoon, etc.

    https://vistapointe.net/image-post/9507-one-million-years-bc-1.jpg.html

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Oh, come no, Kath, you can post better pictures of Jayne
     
    Can't be done. You know the old saying about a silk purse and a sow's ear.....

    http://jaynemansfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/1920xNxbanner.jpg.pagespeed.ic.y2Hd6y64TT.jpg

    Ughh....Talk about vomit-inducing......

    But for healthy cheek bone quality, bone structure, awesome to goodness fantastic cheesecake, why don’t you post Raquel Welch in her prime?
     
    Well, if you want to make Jayne Mansfield look even more hideous....



    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e7/3e/13/e73e138e1962e259cc4b80964e239f1e.jpg


    vs


    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f3/d6/68/f3d6686ba83d24bebe1bd1f9953feb0f.jpg


    Not much of a contest, I'm afraid....

    And no, no, and no, Audrey is too…androgyn.
     
    Some people just can't appreciate femininity....

    https://www.vivaglammagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/1643481.jpg



    https://i.pinimg.com/564x/4e/f7/45/4ef74539ab6b9d03b53c10479a367b80.jpg


    https://theartofdress.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/audrey-hepburn-ball-gown-sabrina.jpeg
  102. @Anonymous

    White women tend to be more satisfied with women’s rights than non-white women.
     
    I don't have any statistics or poll results at hand, but this goes against every single thing I have observed in the past ~15 years.

    I don’t have any statistics or poll results at hand, but this goes against every single thing I have observed in the past ~15 years.

    That’s why I posted a link upthread. Comment #26

    • Replies: @Rosie
    Looking back, there is no data for Asian or Hispanic women. White women are twice as likely to report being satisfied as black women. Also, mostly White Republican women are far more likely to report being satisfied (79%) than more diverse Democratic women (25%).
  103. @Rosie

    I don’t have any statistics or poll results at hand, but this goes against every single thing I have observed in the past ~15 years.
     
    That's why I posted a link upthread. Comment #26

    Looking back, there is no data for Asian or Hispanic women. White women are twice as likely to report being satisfied as black women. Also, mostly White Republican women are far more likely to report being satisfied (79%) than more diverse Democratic women (25%).

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Why do you mention the dearth of data about "Hispanic" [sic] women in a taxonomy otherwise about race?

    Are there data about Anglophone, Lusophone, Francophone, or Sinophone women? Why not mention it one way or another, too?
  104. @Bard of Bumperstickers
    Women have outstanding long-term memory. They perennially recall toilet seats left up, for example; holiday remembrances overlooked, other women's names grunted during intimacy, etc. It's passed down matrilineally, via kvetch-ochondrial DNA.

    Women have outstanding long-term memory.

    There is an area of women’s brains called the Hurt Locker where they remember every single slight.

  105. Here is a poll from the UK:

    A solid majority of women say feminism has either gone too far (35%) or about as far as it should go (26%).

    There doesn’t appear to be a huge gender gap, either. For the total population, 40% say feminism has gone too far, and 27% say it has gone about as far as it should go.

    https://news.sky.com/story/feminism-has-gone-far-enough-most-britons-say-11278752

  106. @R.G. Camara
    In other words, they program America's Olympic Darling to be a female from the most female-appealing sport in that Olympics.

    And both figure skating and gymnastics have the same leading female-appealing indicators: women in cute outfits doing routines for arbitrary judges whose subjective opinion has the window-dressing of objectivity but really is just a bunch of snarky gays and women picking out the prom queen.

    Bingo!

  107. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Oh, come no, Kath, you can post better pictures of Jayne. That's not exactly an even playing field. There are much better pictures of Jayne than that. But then, when one has to lower the standards in order to raise those at the bottom, methinks one is attempting to cheat just a bit.

    And no, no, and no, Audrey is too...androgyn. I assume for all intents and purposes that she was a woman, I won't argue that point. But come on. Eat a cookie, it won't hurt you. Karen Carpenter had her fans as well I'm sure. Both are too thin. The closest resemblance to Audrey today are the several trans. Even TS Jenner resembles more a woman than does Audrey. I'll take your word that she was born and lived her life as a woman, but not exactly sure, though. Kinda, sorta. She cried like a woman in Roman Holiday, but body wise? No....not so sure about that.

    But for healthy cheek bone quality, bone structure, awesome to goodness fantastic cheesecake, why don't you post Raquel Welch in her prime? As in, the famous poster from 1 Million BC? Raquel topped them all from that generation (or at least was at that level). No doubt that that was a woman: Reeking of sexuality, smoldering of amazing qualities, and sizzling of what a lifetime classic beauty is really all about. Raquel, thy name IS woman.

    The famous pinup of Welch from Shawshank Redemption, and then let those here make an honest decision as to which woman had "it", had the power to melt hearts, make men swoon, etc.

    https://vistapointe.net/image-post/9507-one-million-years-bc-1.jpg.html

    Oh, come no, Kath, you can post better pictures of Jayne

    Can’t be done. You know the old saying about a silk purse and a sow’s ear…..

    Ughh….Talk about vomit-inducing……

    But for healthy cheek bone quality, bone structure, awesome to goodness fantastic cheesecake, why don’t you post Raquel Welch in her prime?

    Well, if you want to make Jayne Mansfield look even more hideous….

    vs

    Not much of a contest, I’m afraid….

    And no, no, and no, Audrey is too…androgyn.

    Some people just can’t appreciate femininity….

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Not much of a contest, I’m afraid…."

    Thank you for agreement. Raquel wins hands down and face first. Let us all do homage to THE ultimate '60s, most perfect woman! When Welch did don her skin tight fuzzy britches to reveal a perfectly toned yet firm and feminine body,

    Here a unique form of beauty was created,
    There was finally found total and true beauty beyond belief.

    Why was not Raquel a Bond girl? One of the ultimate appreciations of crowning a woman as an "it" girl? Something akin to Miss America, or Cinderella finally going to the ball, dressed up and all gussied up the way she should be. Certainly Rowan and Martin were onto something during their early seasons as they kept talking about her during their stand-up section.

    Regarding the last pics you posted, I don't know who that tranny is that you are evidently so infatuated with, Katharine. Again, I think, THINK, it is a woman, but can't be too sure. Is that Christine Jorgensen? Perhaps it is Olive Oyl come to life (19-19-19 would be too kind to this...this...person. Wearing a pre-teen training bra for support and help to make it appear that it/they are of the feminine version of things).

    But for pure delight, pure sensuality, exiting all the senses, it is Raquel who made it happen, and got it done on the silver screen.

    You will notice: The men who went for Raquel Welch were for the vast majority, they were straight males. This....person you seem to have a thing for, mostly homosexuals were excited about them. This picture (along with Judy Garland) tends to be the textbook definition of "Women loved by gay men". And what would gays know about a woman being beautiful? Not referring to fashion. Referring to a woman that excites the passions, total understanding of this kind of perfect beauty.

    Another term used I believe, is, "Fag Hags".

    Just saying, Katharine, just saying.

    But as for Jayne and Raquel, those that enjoy a real woman are of course leaning straight. More than leaning, actually. Definitely more than leaning in Raquel's case. Amazing. The Christie Brinkley of her day. But then, there is only one Christie Brinkley.

    I notice that you don't tend to post any smutty pictures of Christie Brinkley. Perhaps now would be the time to do so.

  108. @Twodees Partain
    My wife is interested in the past to an extent, at least. She can remember clearly any little remark of mine from 30 years ago that she found snide, or the way I supposedly winked at some other woman when we were both young.

    Of course, that's just my wife, and it may not be true of any other woman, let alone women in general.

    [My wife] can remember clearly any little remark of mine from 30 years ago that she found snide… It may not be true of any other woman

    LOL we wish

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    Ah, yes... If only it was true. ;-)
  109. @Achmed E. Newman
    A lack of that kind of long term memory, or caring, if that's what it is, is another reason women shouldn't be voting. However, so I don't spend the evening hearing from Rosie, I'll add that lots of men have the same problem - as you say, they may remember baseball players from the WWII era, they sure don't seem to remember what a candidate said in the primary election six months later. That's why American politicians are courting the "goldfish" vote.

    A lack of that kind of long term memory, or caring, if that’s what it is, is another reason women shouldn’t be voting.

    Ding, ding, ding

    We have a winner.

    Sure, some women vote sensibly and responsibly. But the problem is so many more do not. Therefore every responsible sensible woman is burdened by having to get out and vote because the ninnies turn out in force. It is just one more damned thing to do that the men could handle on their own on behalf of society. But, nooooooo, the libertine men who can’t convince men to vote for their illogical schemes just dupe the silly women instead and voila a majority. Ugh.

    But what I now realize is that the vast majority of women are less nostalgic about the past than are men. Women are more interested in fashion and the new.

    Another winner, which makes women, like teens and children, a marketers dream. You can tell them anything and they will fall for it and fork over their cash.

    If you can’t tell by the name, I am a woman. So, if the lib white men can criticize all white men for existing, then I feel perfectly fine for criticizing women for their weaknesses.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    You're a treasure. Truly. A real woman. With wisdom. God bless you. Please, if you've not already, consider having many children!
    , @Rosie

    Sure, some women vote sensibly and responsibly. But the problem is so many more do not.
     
    Because if only White women had voted for Mittens Romney, he would have done something about securing the border.
  110. @Rosie

    A lack of that kind of long term memory, or caring, if that’s what it is, is another reason women shouldn’t be voting.
     
    Achmed, the two-trick jack-ass, is there nothing you won't sink to? Now, our relative lack of interest in sports is cause for our disenfranchisement?

    Since The Big Lebowski has been invoked, would it be untoward of me to write what so many are doubtless also thinking, with regard to a sentiment for another person with a diminutive name:

    Whenever you come ’round, Rosie, the sub-text is always “Did someone call for a scandalised female taking offense at minutiae to the point of apoplexy?! – am woman; here me complain.”

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Whenever you come ’round, Rosie, the sub-text is always “Did someone call for a scandalised female taking offense at minutiae to the point of apoplexy?! – am woman; here me complain.”
     
    The funny thing about the woman question is that it's always sorely important to bring up in connection with every single post that appears on this site.

    When any woman objects, she is of course harping about minutiae.
  111. @syonredux

    Oh, come no, Kath, you can post better pictures of Jayne
     
    Can't be done. You know the old saying about a silk purse and a sow's ear.....

    http://jaynemansfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/1920xNxbanner.jpg.pagespeed.ic.y2Hd6y64TT.jpg

    Ughh....Talk about vomit-inducing......

    But for healthy cheek bone quality, bone structure, awesome to goodness fantastic cheesecake, why don’t you post Raquel Welch in her prime?
     
    Well, if you want to make Jayne Mansfield look even more hideous....



    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e7/3e/13/e73e138e1962e259cc4b80964e239f1e.jpg


    vs


    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f3/d6/68/f3d6686ba83d24bebe1bd1f9953feb0f.jpg


    Not much of a contest, I'm afraid....

    And no, no, and no, Audrey is too…androgyn.
     
    Some people just can't appreciate femininity....

    https://www.vivaglammagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/1643481.jpg



    https://i.pinimg.com/564x/4e/f7/45/4ef74539ab6b9d03b53c10479a367b80.jpg


    https://theartofdress.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/audrey-hepburn-ball-gown-sabrina.jpeg

    “Not much of a contest, I’m afraid….”

    Thank you for agreement. Raquel wins hands down and face first. Let us all do homage to THE ultimate ’60s, most perfect woman! When Welch did don her skin tight fuzzy britches to reveal a perfectly toned yet firm and feminine body,

    Here a unique form of beauty was created,
    There was finally found total and true beauty beyond belief.

    Why was not Raquel a Bond girl? One of the ultimate appreciations of crowning a woman as an “it” girl? Something akin to Miss America, or Cinderella finally going to the ball, dressed up and all gussied up the way she should be. Certainly Rowan and Martin were onto something during their early seasons as they kept talking about her during their stand-up section.

    Regarding the last pics you posted, I don’t know who that tranny is that you are evidently so infatuated with, Katharine. Again, I think, THINK, it is a woman, but can’t be too sure. Is that Christine Jorgensen? Perhaps it is Olive Oyl come to life (19-19-19 would be too kind to this…this…person. Wearing a pre-teen training bra for support and help to make it appear that it/they are of the feminine version of things).

    But for pure delight, pure sensuality, exiting all the senses, it is Raquel who made it happen, and got it done on the silver screen.

    You will notice: The men who went for Raquel Welch were for the vast majority, they were straight males. This….person you seem to have a thing for, mostly homosexuals were excited about them. This picture (along with Judy Garland) tends to be the textbook definition of “Women loved by gay men”. And what would gays know about a woman being beautiful? Not referring to fashion. Referring to a woman that excites the passions, total understanding of this kind of perfect beauty.

    Another term used I believe, is, “Fag Hags”.

    Just saying, Katharine, just saying.

    But as for Jayne and Raquel, those that enjoy a real woman are of course leaning straight. More than leaning, actually. Definitely more than leaning in Raquel’s case. Amazing. The Christie Brinkley of her day. But then, there is only one Christie Brinkley.

    I notice that you don’t tend to post any smutty pictures of Christie Brinkley. Perhaps now would be the time to do so.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    “Not much of a contest, I’m afraid….”

    Thank you for agreement. Raquel wins hands down and face first.
     
    Well, yeah. Does anybody actually think Jayne Mansfield is even in the same league with Raquel Welch? Frankly, I find it hard to believe that the pig-faced Jayne is even the same species as Raquel....

    Regarding the last pics you posted, I don’t know who that tranny is that you are evidently so infatuated with, Katharine. Again, I think, THINK, it is a woman, but can’t be too sure. Is that Christine Jorgensen? Perhaps it is Olive Oyl come to life (19-19-19 would be too kind to this…this…person. Wearing a pre-teen training bra for support and help to make it appear that it/they are of the feminine version of things).
     
    We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one......


    https://cdn9.littlethings.com/app/uploads/2016/04/audrey-hepburn-63115_960_720-850x1079.jpg
  112. @Alice in Wonderland

    A lack of that kind of long term memory, or caring, if that’s what it is, is another reason women shouldn’t be voting.

     

    Ding, ding, ding

    We have a winner.

    Sure, some women vote sensibly and responsibly. But the problem is so many more do not. Therefore every responsible sensible woman is burdened by having to get out and vote because the ninnies turn out in force. It is just one more damned thing to do that the men could handle on their own on behalf of society. But, nooooooo, the libertine men who can't convince men to vote for their illogical schemes just dupe the silly women instead and voila a majority. Ugh.


    But what I now realize is that the vast majority of women are less nostalgic about the past than are men. Women are more interested in fashion and the new.
     
    Another winner, which makes women, like teens and children, a marketers dream. You can tell them anything and they will fall for it and fork over their cash.

    If you can't tell by the name, I am a woman. So, if the lib white men can criticize all white men for existing, then I feel perfectly fine for criticizing women for their weaknesses.

    You’re a treasure. Truly. A real woman. With wisdom. God bless you. Please, if you’ve not already, consider having many children!

  113. @Rosie

    You say you don’t GAF about history.
     
    I said nothing of the sort.

  114. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Regarding wearing braces, I'm not following you. Do PEDS affect a person's teeth?

    Well, that's pretty much the point that Game of Shadows makes. Ben Johnson's Canadian Coach, Charlie Francis, before his ban from the Olympics, stated that all nations cheat to win in the Olympics, including the US. Cheat or lose, was Francis's point.

    So we basically have come to that point. Only a naive fool thinks that modern athletes setting amazing records did it the old fashioned way, with no cheating. All except Babe Ruth, as PEDS didn't exist during his time. (His work out regiment was basically no different than what an ordinary person today could do if they went to LA Fitness and hired a trainer for a couple of hours to help devise a basic work out regiment).

    This hardened real world attitude harkens back to Jim Bouton's original preference in Ball Four: "If the Media had been telling the public the truth of what went on inside baseball, there'd have been no controversy surrounding my book."

    Makes one wonder what else the media is covering up, not just in sports.

    I reckon he means braces for one’s knees or other joints worn by runners, usually made of neoprene. The implication ia that these might hide sites for injections or be needed because of the damage to joints caused by using drugs.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    I considered that, but he did say he was at the dentist's office, and talking about wearing braces in a dentists office tends to suggest another context.
  115. @Rosie

    Have you never met a woman before? Of course they can’t, the insecure little things.
     
    Since you appear to be retarded, I'll spell it out for you. White women tend to be more satisfied with women's rights than non-white women. Because of demographic change, the percentage of dissatisfied women will increase every year, not because women are getting more dissatisfied, but because the composition of the polled constituency is changing.

    Did you understand or did I use to many big words?

    Make your husband a sandwich.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Make your husband a sandwich.
     
    Steve should ban you for this. It adds nothing useful to the discussion. You are bully attempting to humiliate and silence because you don't like being challenged.
  116. @Rosie
    Looking back, there is no data for Asian or Hispanic women. White women are twice as likely to report being satisfied as black women. Also, mostly White Republican women are far more likely to report being satisfied (79%) than more diverse Democratic women (25%).

    Why do you mention the dearth of data about “Hispanic” [sic] women in a taxonomy otherwise about race?

    Are there data about Anglophone, Lusophone, Francophone, or Sinophone women? Why not mention it one way or another, too?

  117. @Autochthon
    I reckon he means braces for one's knees or other joints worn by runners, usually made of neoprene. The implication ia that these might hide sites for injections or be needed because of the damage to joints caused by using drugs.

    https://www.betterbraces.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/d/o/donjoy-performance-bionic-knee-brace-black-dp151kb04.jpg

    I considered that, but he did say he was at the dentist’s office, and talking about wearing braces in a dentists office tends to suggest another context.

  118. @Autochthon
    Make your husband a sandwich.

    Make your husband a sandwich.

    Steve should ban you for this. It adds nothing useful to the discussion. You are bully attempting to humiliate and silence because you don’t like being challenged.

  119. @Alice in Wonderland

    A lack of that kind of long term memory, or caring, if that’s what it is, is another reason women shouldn’t be voting.

     

    Ding, ding, ding

    We have a winner.

    Sure, some women vote sensibly and responsibly. But the problem is so many more do not. Therefore every responsible sensible woman is burdened by having to get out and vote because the ninnies turn out in force. It is just one more damned thing to do that the men could handle on their own on behalf of society. But, nooooooo, the libertine men who can't convince men to vote for their illogical schemes just dupe the silly women instead and voila a majority. Ugh.


    But what I now realize is that the vast majority of women are less nostalgic about the past than are men. Women are more interested in fashion and the new.
     
    Another winner, which makes women, like teens and children, a marketers dream. You can tell them anything and they will fall for it and fork over their cash.

    If you can't tell by the name, I am a woman. So, if the lib white men can criticize all white men for existing, then I feel perfectly fine for criticizing women for their weaknesses.

    Sure, some women vote sensibly and responsibly. But the problem is so many more do not.

    Because if only White women had voted for Mittens Romney, he would have done something about securing the border.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    Math problem of the day:

    A small town in Ireland votes on whether they want a refugee welcome center in their town. A total of 212 citizens vote, with only 15 voting yes. If all those who voted yes were women, and half the voters were women, what percentage of women voters voted yes?

    Answer:

    14%

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/lisdoonvarna-locals-reject-direct-provision-plan-1.3413201
  120. @Autochthon
    Since The Big Lebowski has been invoked, would it be untoward of me to write what so many are doubtless also thinking, with regard to a sentiment for another person with a diminutive name:

    https://youtu.be/DpwszcmbYp4

    Whenever you come 'round, Rosie, the sub-text is always "Did someone call for a scandalised female taking offense at minutiae to the point of apoplexy?! – am woman; here me complain."

    Whenever you come ’round, Rosie, the sub-text is always “Did someone call for a scandalised female taking offense at minutiae to the point of apoplexy?! – am woman; here me complain.”

    The funny thing about the woman question is that it’s always sorely important to bring up in connection with every single post that appears on this site.

    When any woman objects, she is of course harping about minutiae.

  121. @Rosie

    Sure, some women vote sensibly and responsibly. But the problem is so many more do not.
     
    Because if only White women had voted for Mittens Romney, he would have done something about securing the border.

    Math problem of the day:

    A small town in Ireland votes on whether they want a refugee welcome center in their town. A total of 212 citizens vote, with only 15 voting yes. If all those who voted yes were women, and half the voters were women, what percentage of women voters voted yes?

    Answer:

    14%

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/lisdoonvarna-locals-reject-direct-provision-plan-1.3413201

  122. @Ron Mexico
    "Who is Hope Solo?" The daughter of Han and Leia.

    Actually, I don't recall a single play she was involved in, just that she posted pictures of her shaven snatch on the 'net and assaulted her nephew.

    Oh, the horror. You mean she didn’t even post a before pic of it before she shaved?

  123. @ScarletNumber

    [My wife] can remember clearly any little remark of mine from 30 years ago that she found snide... It may not be true of any other woman
     
    LOL we wish

    Ah, yes… If only it was true. 😉

  124. This may be late, but does anyone remember what impact on popular culture Janet Guthrie had? She was before my time, but unlike most male athletes of that era, I had literally never heard of her until her ESPN 30 for 30 aired in May.

  125. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Not much of a contest, I’m afraid…."

    Thank you for agreement. Raquel wins hands down and face first. Let us all do homage to THE ultimate '60s, most perfect woman! When Welch did don her skin tight fuzzy britches to reveal a perfectly toned yet firm and feminine body,

    Here a unique form of beauty was created,
    There was finally found total and true beauty beyond belief.

    Why was not Raquel a Bond girl? One of the ultimate appreciations of crowning a woman as an "it" girl? Something akin to Miss America, or Cinderella finally going to the ball, dressed up and all gussied up the way she should be. Certainly Rowan and Martin were onto something during their early seasons as they kept talking about her during their stand-up section.

    Regarding the last pics you posted, I don't know who that tranny is that you are evidently so infatuated with, Katharine. Again, I think, THINK, it is a woman, but can't be too sure. Is that Christine Jorgensen? Perhaps it is Olive Oyl come to life (19-19-19 would be too kind to this...this...person. Wearing a pre-teen training bra for support and help to make it appear that it/they are of the feminine version of things).

    But for pure delight, pure sensuality, exiting all the senses, it is Raquel who made it happen, and got it done on the silver screen.

    You will notice: The men who went for Raquel Welch were for the vast majority, they were straight males. This....person you seem to have a thing for, mostly homosexuals were excited about them. This picture (along with Judy Garland) tends to be the textbook definition of "Women loved by gay men". And what would gays know about a woman being beautiful? Not referring to fashion. Referring to a woman that excites the passions, total understanding of this kind of perfect beauty.

    Another term used I believe, is, "Fag Hags".

    Just saying, Katharine, just saying.

    But as for Jayne and Raquel, those that enjoy a real woman are of course leaning straight. More than leaning, actually. Definitely more than leaning in Raquel's case. Amazing. The Christie Brinkley of her day. But then, there is only one Christie Brinkley.

    I notice that you don't tend to post any smutty pictures of Christie Brinkley. Perhaps now would be the time to do so.

    “Not much of a contest, I’m afraid….”

    Thank you for agreement. Raquel wins hands down and face first.

    Well, yeah. Does anybody actually think Jayne Mansfield is even in the same league with Raquel Welch? Frankly, I find it hard to believe that the pig-faced Jayne is even the same species as Raquel….

    Regarding the last pics you posted, I don’t know who that tranny is that you are evidently so infatuated with, Katharine. Again, I think, THINK, it is a woman, but can’t be too sure. Is that Christine Jorgensen? Perhaps it is Olive Oyl come to life (19-19-19 would be too kind to this…this…person. Wearing a pre-teen training bra for support and help to make it appear that it/they are of the feminine version of things).

    We’re just going to have to agree to disagree on this one……

  126. @Redneck farmer
    Also, do any editors know any history past, 5 minutes ago? "This unprecedented......." which had occurred several times before, is a staple media criticism.

    Have you seen who authors most news articles these days? 20s-maybe 30s. Age isn’t there fault, but laziness in regards to research is. But gotta crank out that content!

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