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One of the University of Virginia’s proudest features is an Honor Code that extends far beyond simply academic cheating to holding UVA students to high standards of personal behavior. It’s a holdover from the Virginian tradition of gentlemanly conduct that provided America with individuals such George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Robert E. Lee, and George C. Marshall. Not surprisingly, Sabrina Rubin Erdely of Rolling Stone found Virginia’s Honor Code highly repugnant.

It’s hard to imagine a more flagrant violation of the UVA Honor Code than Jackie Coakley’s slanderous hoax that she repeatedly perpetuated from age 18 through 20. She began by elaborately concocting electronic evidence for a dream date suitor she called Haven Monahan to entrap a freshman boy named Ryan in a unwanted romantic relationship. When she failed to make Ryan jealous, she invented a horrifying story of sexual abuse. But Ryan only slept on her floor that night, along with another male friend, rather than comfort her one on one.

The next semester, Jackie used her gang rape story on Dean Nicole Eramo as an excuse for her bad grades, later exposing Dean Eramo to a national campaign of personal vilification. Coakley then joined a support group and lied repeatedly to her fellow coeds. She became a minor campus celebrity in the feminist racket. She repeated her preposterous story, specifying one particular fraternity, to yellow journalist Sabrina Rubin Erdely, causing a mob of Social Justice Warriors to carry out a Kristallnacht on that frat house.

She brought nationwide vilification down upon her fellow students at UVA.

UVA Frat Won’t Pursue Honor Code Case Against ‘Jackie’
Apr 9, 2015, 5:17 PM ET
By BROCK VERGAKIS Associated Press

A University of Virginia fraternity will not pursue an honor code violation against a student who told Rolling Stone for a story that has since been retracted that several brothers gang-raped her during a party, a spokesman said.

Virginia has the oldest student-run honor code in the country, which prohibits lying, cheating and stealing. Those who are found guilty of violations by a panel of students are faced with a single penalty: expulsion.

Rolling Stone based much of its November article on the account of a person identified only as “Jackie,” a U.Va. student who said she suffered a brutal sexual assault at the hands of seven men at the Phi Kappa Psi house at a party her first year at the school in 2012.

Phi Kappa Psi has said it is exploring legal action against Rolling Stone, but not against Jackie.

“From the fraternity’s perspective, this is about reckless reporting, careless editing, poor fact-checking and a negligent legal review,” fraternity spokesman Brian Ellis wrote in an email to The Associated Press.

… The reporter interviewed Jackie eight times and a fact-checker spent four hours on the phone, with both finding the story plausible. …

At U.Va., the definition of lying entails “the misrepresentation of one or more facts in order to gain a benefit or harm another person, where the actor knows or should know that the misrepresentation will be relied upon by another person.”

In other words, Jackie lied countless times to slander fellow UVA students. I used to assume that she had some serious problems involving delusions, but the evidence is clear now that she lied over and over for rational reasons of gaining various petty advantages for herself, like trying to snag a handsome boyfriend, getting out trouble for bad grades, being a star on campus in today’s anti-straight white male atmosphere of hate, and becoming a quasi-national celebrity on campus.

Any student or faculty member could bring an honor code complaint against Jackie, and the school’s honor committee regularly works to get students to bring forward more complaints. So far, no one has brought such a complaint publicly against Jackie.

UVA President Teresa A. Sullivan should file Honor Code charges against Jackie Coakley in the name of all UVA students past and present.

 
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  1. I’ve been waiting for this. The system has been in decline for years (and certainly had gaps back in the 80s).

    That said, Sullivan lacks the authority to bring the charges, as the system is wholly student-run.

  2. I wish much success to Brock Vergakis in his journalism career.

  3. UVA President Teresa A. Sullivan should file Honor Code charges against Jackie Coakley in the name of all UVA students past and present.

    Don’t hold your breath. All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.

  4. Can an alumnus make an honor code complaint? Not that I am one, but there may be some who read your blog.

    (While we’re at it, why doesn’t the government collect from the sponsors of new citizens who subsequently go on the dole? And why doesn’t it revoke the citizenship of those who refuse to disavow their allegiance to their country of birth?)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Sadly the student run nature means that only an existing student may bring a case. I am an alumnus. The history of the code is pretty interesting and goes back to the murder of a professor on 'grounds', UVAese for campus. There have also been student referendums that for example fake IDs are intrinsically outside of consideration of the honor code.
    , @gruff
    " And why doesn’t it revoke the citizenship of those who refuse to disavow their allegiance to their country of birth?"

    Israel got the US's ban on dual citizenship repealed many years ago.

    I can't complain too much as I've benefitted from this change (dual US/UK).
  5. There must be a Persian term for people who hold themselves bound by an institutional Honor Code in the face of predatory types in the same institution who regard such Codes with contempt.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    There must be a Persian term for people who hold themselves bound by an institutional Honor Code in the face of predatory types in the same institution who regard such Codes with contempt.

    "Freierim"

  6. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Paul Mendez
    Can an alumnus make an honor code complaint? Not that I am one, but there may be some who read your blog.

    (While we're at it, why doesn't the government collect from the sponsors of new citizens who subsequently go on the dole? And why doesn't it revoke the citizenship of those who refuse to disavow their allegiance to their country of birth?)

    Sadly the student run nature means that only an existing student may bring a case. I am an alumnus. The history of the code is pretty interesting and goes back to the murder of a professor on ‘grounds’, UVAese for campus. There have also been student referendums that for example fake IDs are intrinsically outside of consideration of the honor code.

  7. Last I heard, Jackie wasn’t on campus anymore, and I think that’s about how it will end.

    It’s not fair, but that’s the way it is.

    As it is, she’s kind of on the radioactive dating list right now. I can’t help but feel a little sorry for her. No doubt my sympathy is misplaced and she’ll find a way to talk herself out of it and into a political career or something.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Last I heard, Jackie wasn’t on campus anymore, and I think that’s about how it will end.
     
    If she were sane, she'd withdraw voluntarily, let the furor die down and then weigh her options.

    She might not be that rational.

    As it is, she’s kind of on the radioactive dating list right now.
     
    Really? Dating is, or should be in any case, the least of her concerns right now.
    , @Wilkey
    "As it is, she’s kind of on the radioactive dating list right now. I can’t help but feel a little sorry for her. No doubt my sympathy is misplaced and she’ll find a way to talk herself out of it and into a political career or something."

    If she were ugly and black would you feel the same degree of sympathy? Neither would I.

    Yep, she's royally effed up her life - even worse than Monica Lewinsky. Should I feel much sorrow if no guy wants to go near her? Hell no. Given her past, you'd be seriously risking bogus accusations of rape.

    What if she had managed to get her crush to sleep with her, and then he'd broken up with her? Odds are he'd be facing rape allegations, and she'd have a good shot at a conviction.

    Yep, even attractive women can be batshit crazy.
  8. yellow journalist Sabrina Rubin Erdely

    What???!!! Oh, *that* kind of yellow. 10-4, proceed, sir.

  9. @SPMoore8
    Last I heard, Jackie wasn't on campus anymore, and I think that's about how it will end.

    It's not fair, but that's the way it is.

    As it is, she's kind of on the radioactive dating list right now. I can't help but feel a little sorry for her. No doubt my sympathy is misplaced and she'll find a way to talk herself out of it and into a political career or something.

    Last I heard, Jackie wasn’t on campus anymore, and I think that’s about how it will end.

    If she were sane, she’d withdraw voluntarily, let the furor die down and then weigh her options.

    She might not be that rational.

    As it is, she’s kind of on the radioactive dating list right now.

    Really? Dating is, or should be in any case, the least of her concerns right now.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Really? Dating is, or should be in any case, the least of her concerns right now.

    On the contrary, I think for a woman like Jackie landing a big fish is the whole ballgame at this point. Unfortunately, it looks like Brad DeLong is already married.
  10. Honor isn’t really a concept that applies to women. i.e., They don’t have it (which is a good thing in a certain context — at least so long as no one’s fooling themselves otherwise). You really need to understand how masculine its origin is to appreciate this; there’s a decent book on it, quite learned if a bit overly delicate/peripatetic, by James Bowman. For the more concentrated version of the same spiel I would recommend Jack Donovan’s columns & books.

    • Replies: @Trumpenprole
    Then too, we have all seen the pictures of Jackie, and she is adorable. Whats wrong with this Ryan character anyway. When I was a horny student, I'd a banged the snot out of her, crazy or not.
    , @ChrisZ
    Great point, Devil, and Bowman's book is a great resource.

    I would only say that there IS a kind of feminine analog to masculine honor, whose components would include honesty, loyalty, sexual modesty, and other qualities of character. It's meaningful to speak of an honorable woman; and of course a sane culture needs to be able to objectively distinguish such women from the "Jackies" of the world.
    , @Ivy
    Your concept was expressed in a phrase I heard some while age:

    She offered her honor, so I honored her offer, and all through the night it was on'er and off'er.
  11. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Current graduate student at UVA here– some compatriots have attempted to lodge an honor complaint against Miss Coakley. They were stymied by the removal of Miss Coakley from the university. I will keep send an email if any updates are forthcoming.

    Also, do not expect Sullivan to do anything. This whole fiasco has tended to benefit her by eroding the foundation of a block of her institutional adversaries: the Greek system. After being nearly ousted from her perch as University Commissar a few years ago, she has pursued a plan of suppressing and slowly dismantling fraternities through prohibitionary alcohol measures, arbitrary suspensions, etc.

    Once the Greek system has been destroyed Padishah Sullivan will have solidified her chokehold on Mr. Jefferson’s university.

  12. @Scotty G. Vito
    Honor isn't really a concept that applies to women. i.e., They don't have it (which is a good thing in a certain context -- at least so long as no one's fooling themselves otherwise). You really need to understand how masculine its origin is to appreciate this; there's a decent book on it, quite learned if a bit overly delicate/peripatetic, by James Bowman. For the more concentrated version of the same spiel I would recommend Jack Donovan's columns & books.

    Then too, we have all seen the pictures of Jackie, and she is adorable. Whats wrong with this Ryan character anyway. When I was a horny student, I’d a banged the snot out of her, crazy or not.

    • Replies: @Scotty G. Vito
    1. Uh, and Ryan is good-looking too. On balance, he undoubtedly came out ahead by NOT sexing her; considering the level of mischief she caused just drawing on her own fabricatory resources. If you're Ryan and your mission for the day is to pump some crazy broad for 5 minutes there's plenty more where that came from. It sounds as if you in the same situation would've been expelled after Jackie felt reasonable shame from consorting w/ your loserdom -- assuming it even reached that point; after which comes the tar & feathers, riding out on a rail, burned at the stake, etc.

    2. Whether the University of Virginia and college men generally won/lost due to Ryan's reluctance, is not so apparent. Personally I'm not blaming the guy for, however inadvertently, revealing a major security exploit at a 195-year-old institution. It sucks that it happened but you're better off knowing where you stand.

    3. Together with the Duke lax fiasco this denouement is a net gain for the more hapless subset of males getting promiscuously accused of rape/mayhem/war crimes every day on the way to cross the street. It's also an unquantifiable loss for victims of macroaggression who are more genuine/legit than Cry-Wolf Coakley. By the way, don't expect her faction to ever admit this unintended consequence of the overall pooch-screw. But if you do care about the relative standing of truth vs. lies for the long term, the lowdown sleazy behavior of the U.Va. crimestop war room and their Manhattan media contacts has only helped the most wily of future predators, incentivizing them to more deftly exploit an atmosphere of enforced stupidity (see also: the "Sexual Revolution"). It's great to get involved and make a difference in people's lives, isn't it.

    , @Mr. Blank
    Well, you say that, but all you've seen is a picture. Ryan knew her in person; he likely had a sense of how flaky she was and knew that getting involved with her would be baaaaaaad juju. Although it can be very, very difficult for a young man to resist the lure of raging hormones, it IS possible if the girl is nuts enough and the guy is sharp enough to anticipate the potential consequences.

    I speak from experience -- I turned down a crazy-but-cute girl when I was in college, and while it was a real struggle at the time, and I spent a couple of years second-guessing my decision, it eventually turned out to be one of the smartest calls I've ever made. :)
    , @Anonymous
    Had you banged this crazy, you would be labelled a rapist by feminazis who will then claim that 'poor Jackie' is protecting her rapist ex-boyfriend. Double victim!!

    IMHO, Ryan dodged a bullet.
  13. @Twinkie

    Last I heard, Jackie wasn’t on campus anymore, and I think that’s about how it will end.
     
    If she were sane, she'd withdraw voluntarily, let the furor die down and then weigh her options.

    She might not be that rational.

    As it is, she’s kind of on the radioactive dating list right now.
     
    Really? Dating is, or should be in any case, the least of her concerns right now.

    Really? Dating is, or should be in any case, the least of her concerns right now.

    On the contrary, I think for a woman like Jackie landing a big fish is the whole ballgame at this point. Unfortunately, it looks like Brad DeLong is already married.

  14. Hokie says:

    The honor code at UVA changed pretty recently, due to the pressure of minorities that were disproportionately charged with honor offenses.

    http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2010/11/honor-for-all-2/
    http://uvamagazine.org/articles/honor_committee_proposes_change_to_system
    http://www.virginia.edu/honor/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Green-Book-PDF-2013-for-Recruitment.pdf (go to page 13)

    They replaced a jury trial with honor representatives, usually from the same group of people that run all the usual grievance groups. I hear from some older people about the old traditions of the honor code, being drummed out for cheating and all that, but it is all gone.

  15. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factor"] says:

    Jackie gets the homo treatment.

    She gets away with everything.

  16. re: Bowman, this was the short piece I was thinking of (btw I haven’t seen the movie and have no opinion on it):

    http://www.jamesbowman.net/reviewDetail.asp?pubID=2149

    But if unadulterated nonsense is the goal then an all-female version of “Coriolanus” would be the sort of prize absurdity I’d expect out of a Northampton, Mass. theatre troupe (or maybe the Mike Judge screenplay: “[title is shown] / Heh heh. Heh. Heh heh. / [credits roll]”)

  17. @robother
    There must be a Persian term for people who hold themselves bound by an institutional Honor Code in the face of predatory types in the same institution who regard such Codes with contempt.

    There must be a Persian term for people who hold themselves bound by an institutional Honor Code in the face of predatory types in the same institution who regard such Codes with contempt.

    “Freierim”

  18. What does Teresa Sullivan have to fear? The govenor and attorney general of Virginia are radical, corrupt Leftists. Gov. McAuliffe was apparently bestest of buddies with Solomon Melgen, the Domincan doctor who has been accused of bribing NJ Sen. Bob “Horndog” Menendez.

  19. Silly White Man! Honor Code is for men only. Women, gays, non-Whites, etc. don’t have to follow it, only Straight White men and boys. [It is possible for a 17 year old boy to be a student as a Freshman at UVA.]

    I’ll add we have another problem. Women are fully liberated sexually, socially, economically but we have this hangover of chivalry, treating women differently and better than men, that is just not long-run sustainable. I suspect the future looks something along the lines of how Black rappers treat women on a systemic basis.

    But you can’t get something for nothing.

  20. @Trumpenprole
    Then too, we have all seen the pictures of Jackie, and she is adorable. Whats wrong with this Ryan character anyway. When I was a horny student, I'd a banged the snot out of her, crazy or not.

    1. Uh, and Ryan is good-looking too. On balance, he undoubtedly came out ahead by NOT sexing her; considering the level of mischief she caused just drawing on her own fabricatory resources. If you’re Ryan and your mission for the day is to pump some crazy broad for 5 minutes there’s plenty more where that came from. It sounds as if you in the same situation would’ve been expelled after Jackie felt reasonable shame from consorting w/ your loserdom — assuming it even reached that point; after which comes the tar & feathers, riding out on a rail, burned at the stake, etc.

    2. Whether the University of Virginia and college men generally won/lost due to Ryan’s reluctance, is not so apparent. Personally I’m not blaming the guy for, however inadvertently, revealing a major security exploit at a 195-year-old institution. It sucks that it happened but you’re better off knowing where you stand.

    3. Together with the Duke lax fiasco this denouement is a net gain for the more hapless subset of males getting promiscuously accused of rape/mayhem/war crimes every day on the way to cross the street. It’s also an unquantifiable loss for victims of macroaggression who are more genuine/legit than Cry-Wolf Coakley. By the way, don’t expect her faction to ever admit this unintended consequence of the overall pooch-screw. But if you do care about the relative standing of truth vs. lies for the long term, the lowdown sleazy behavior of the U.Va. crimestop war room and their Manhattan media contacts has only helped the most wily of future predators, incentivizing them to more deftly exploit an atmosphere of enforced stupidity (see also: the “Sexual Revolution”). It’s great to get involved and make a difference in people’s lives, isn’t it.

  21. @SPMoore8
    Last I heard, Jackie wasn't on campus anymore, and I think that's about how it will end.

    It's not fair, but that's the way it is.

    As it is, she's kind of on the radioactive dating list right now. I can't help but feel a little sorry for her. No doubt my sympathy is misplaced and she'll find a way to talk herself out of it and into a political career or something.

    “As it is, she’s kind of on the radioactive dating list right now. I can’t help but feel a little sorry for her. No doubt my sympathy is misplaced and she’ll find a way to talk herself out of it and into a political career or something.”

    If she were ugly and black would you feel the same degree of sympathy? Neither would I.

    Yep, she’s royally effed up her life – even worse than Monica Lewinsky. Should I feel much sorrow if no guy wants to go near her? Hell no. Given her past, you’d be seriously risking bogus accusations of rape.

    What if she had managed to get her crush to sleep with her, and then he’d broken up with her? Odds are he’d be facing rape allegations, and she’d have a good shot at a conviction.

    Yep, even attractive women can be batshit crazy.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Well, I'm old fashioned. I feel sorry for women who make spectacles of themselves such that their future life trajectory is impaired. Actually, I don't think Jackie is all that attractive, but some of the women in the bogus rape business are, frankly, hideous. And I feel sorry for them, too. But that's because I'm easily manipulated by women.

    I mean, yeah, if Haven Monahan actually existed and was hooked up with Jackie I'd feel sorry for him, too. But I have a soft spot for the weaker sex. No, that doesn't mean I will vote for Hillary.
    , @Art Deco
    Yep, she’s royally effed up her life – even worse than Monica Lewinsky.
    --
    I don't think Jackie's father will be stuck with a six figure debt to William Ginsburg, Plato Cacheris, Jacob Stein (or anyone else in that same like of work). IIRC, George Stephanoplous once said that in the terminal phases of the Clinton Administration, you hoped you could get out with fewer than $150,000 in legal bills.
    ==
    As for papa Coakley, he faces a more perplexing situation than did Dr. Lewinsky. Dr. Lewinsky discovered (if he did not already know) that his daughter was given to (a) sluttishness and (b) terminal unseriousness (sworn to secrecy, she only told 11 people she was fellating the Big He). Women commonly outgrow one (and sexual expression is often impetuous in this decadent age) and sometimes the other, and it's manifest when they have. Mr. Coakley faces the knowledge that his daughter concocted a fantastic hoax for selfish and ignoble reasons, and doubled-down again and again, misleading no doubt dozens of people. He can never really trust what she tells him again, and it's a reasonable wager that people who've done this seldom have the necessary confrontation with themselves over t.
    , @Ivy
    Coakley may very well qualify for various forms of government aid, and a hefty advance to 'tell her story'.

    There has to be a screenplay or two, and some life experience credit leading to a PhD at the College of Soft Knocks (you may know their mascot, the Cossacks).
    , @Anonymous
    Any smart guy uses a USB thumb drive recorder on any and all dates/female encounters. Although once word gets out, the counterclaim will be he played a prior recording while he raped me. And so it goes…
  22. @Wilkey
    "As it is, she’s kind of on the radioactive dating list right now. I can’t help but feel a little sorry for her. No doubt my sympathy is misplaced and she’ll find a way to talk herself out of it and into a political career or something."

    If she were ugly and black would you feel the same degree of sympathy? Neither would I.

    Yep, she's royally effed up her life - even worse than Monica Lewinsky. Should I feel much sorrow if no guy wants to go near her? Hell no. Given her past, you'd be seriously risking bogus accusations of rape.

    What if she had managed to get her crush to sleep with her, and then he'd broken up with her? Odds are he'd be facing rape allegations, and she'd have a good shot at a conviction.

    Yep, even attractive women can be batshit crazy.

    Well, I’m old fashioned. I feel sorry for women who make spectacles of themselves such that their future life trajectory is impaired. Actually, I don’t think Jackie is all that attractive, but some of the women in the bogus rape business are, frankly, hideous. And I feel sorry for them, too. But that’s because I’m easily manipulated by women.

    I mean, yeah, if Haven Monahan actually existed and was hooked up with Jackie I’d feel sorry for him, too. But I have a soft spot for the weaker sex. No, that doesn’t mean I will vote for Hillary.

  23. Any relation to Martha Coakley in MA who was responsible for that bizarre child abuse prosecution exposed in the Wall St Journal?

  24. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Steve,
    I really think you are being too hard on this girl. You’re right about all the stories she made up, but it was the reporter who took them and blew them up into what they became. I seem to remember that she actually asked Rubin Erdely not to publish her story, but of course Rubin Erdely couldn’t resist. I frankly don’t understand all the glee over the way this kid has ruined her life. While Rubin Erdely is being rehabilitated and will be back churning out more “journalism ” of the same quality.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    According to an Internet search, Jacqueline R. Coakley, of Stafford, Virginia, is already 21 years of age. Just so we all know, when exactly will she finally become an adult, in your eyes, subject to the same legal strictures to which the rest of us are subject? Considering that pre-schoolers are being persecuted for biting their lunch entrees into the shape of a gun, these days, perhaps it is time that 18-year-olds to 21-year-olds who engage in false gang-rape accusations start being treated like adults, even though they are only females, and obviously cannot help themselves!?!
    , @GW
    No one is exhibiting glee, if it were up to us we'd rather her not have made up the rape to gain sympathy. She was seen as a sympathetic victim at the University of Virginia for a few years and as one to the national media for almost a month (and in some places even longer), all due to a hoax she perpetuated. Jackie Coakley has used up her sympathy reserves.
    , @Anonymous
    I believe I have read that the investigation (hard to keep all the conflicting info straight sometimes) did not find that Jackie ever tried to get Rolling Stone to not publish the story.
  25. @Anonymous
    Steve,
    I really think you are being too hard on this girl. You're right about all the stories she made up, but it was the reporter who took them and blew them up into what they became. I seem to remember that she actually asked Rubin Erdely not to publish her story, but of course Rubin Erdely couldn't resist. I frankly don't understand all the glee over the way this kid has ruined her life. While Rubin Erdely is being rehabilitated and will be back churning out more "journalism " of the same quality.

    According to an Internet search, Jacqueline R. Coakley, of Stafford, Virginia, is already 21 years of age. Just so we all know, when exactly will she finally become an adult, in your eyes, subject to the same legal strictures to which the rest of us are subject? Considering that pre-schoolers are being persecuted for biting their lunch entrees into the shape of a gun, these days, perhaps it is time that 18-year-olds to 21-year-olds who engage in false gang-rape accusations start being treated like adults, even though they are only females, and obviously cannot help themselves!?!

  26. @Trumpenprole
    Then too, we have all seen the pictures of Jackie, and she is adorable. Whats wrong with this Ryan character anyway. When I was a horny student, I'd a banged the snot out of her, crazy or not.

    Well, you say that, but all you’ve seen is a picture. Ryan knew her in person; he likely had a sense of how flaky she was and knew that getting involved with her would be baaaaaaad juju. Although it can be very, very difficult for a young man to resist the lure of raging hormones, it IS possible if the girl is nuts enough and the guy is sharp enough to anticipate the potential consequences.

    I speak from experience — I turned down a crazy-but-cute girl when I was in college, and while it was a real struggle at the time, and I spent a couple of years second-guessing my decision, it eventually turned out to be one of the smartest calls I’ve ever made. 🙂

  27. Just for the record, I may have been the first one here to raise UVa’s honor code in connection with the Haven Monahan case:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-readers-unclear-on-concepts-of-catfishing-and-haven-monahan/#comment-905483

  28. GW says:
    @Anonymous
    Steve,
    I really think you are being too hard on this girl. You're right about all the stories she made up, but it was the reporter who took them and blew them up into what they became. I seem to remember that she actually asked Rubin Erdely not to publish her story, but of course Rubin Erdely couldn't resist. I frankly don't understand all the glee over the way this kid has ruined her life. While Rubin Erdely is being rehabilitated and will be back churning out more "journalism " of the same quality.

    No one is exhibiting glee, if it were up to us we’d rather her not have made up the rape to gain sympathy. She was seen as a sympathetic victim at the University of Virginia for a few years and as one to the national media for almost a month (and in some places even longer), all due to a hoax she perpetuated. Jackie Coakley has used up her sympathy reserves.

  29. IIRC, failure to report an honor offense is itself an honor offense. Perhaps this episode will end with the entire student body expelled.

  30. @Scotty G. Vito
    Honor isn't really a concept that applies to women. i.e., They don't have it (which is a good thing in a certain context -- at least so long as no one's fooling themselves otherwise). You really need to understand how masculine its origin is to appreciate this; there's a decent book on it, quite learned if a bit overly delicate/peripatetic, by James Bowman. For the more concentrated version of the same spiel I would recommend Jack Donovan's columns & books.

    Great point, Devil, and Bowman’s book is a great resource.

    I would only say that there IS a kind of feminine analog to masculine honor, whose components would include honesty, loyalty, sexual modesty, and other qualities of character. It’s meaningful to speak of an honorable woman; and of course a sane culture needs to be able to objectively distinguish such women from the “Jackies” of the world.

  31. Also, I don’t get the sympathy for Jackie. There are plenty of con artists in the world, male and female, and there’s no reason to think that’s not all she is.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Young fertile women get cut a lot of slack.
  32. @UVA grad
    Also, I don't get the sympathy for Jackie. There are plenty of con artists in the world, male and female, and there's no reason to think that's not all she is.

    Young fertile women get cut a lot of slack.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Her imagination is certainly fertile. But she may end up with as many kids as Monica Lewinsky.
    , @UVA grad
    There was a con artist going around my neighbourhood tricking people into giving her tens and twenties. She was 40-50ish and not at all pretty, but people were making all the same excuses for her they are making for Jackie. "She just seemed so upset. Even if she was lying about the specific thing she said was wrong, there must be something really bad that she needs money for." Some people refuse to accept that there are some really gifted liars out there.
    , @UVa grad
    It's not true, now that I think of it, that young fertile women automatically make people feel protective. Sometimes a pretty girl in distress really brings out people's sadistic side. Look at the press Lindsay Lohan gets. Or how happy the gossip columns were when Paris Hilton went to jail. There is definitely a market for pictures of beautiful girls with tears streaming down their faces.

    People enjoy doing basically everything to pretty girls. I remember Larry David had a bit where he admitted he enjoys making everyone laugh, but pretty girls most of all. If society decides it wants to talk about con artists, it will have much more fun talking about Jackie than about Nick.
  33. I’ve got sympathy for Jackie.

    She, or at least the 18 yrs old self, seems “girly.”. Her catfishing hoax is total girl logic. The Dawson’s creek quotage shows a romantic side. She appears to be slightly more feminine and slightly more immature than other girls her age. Feminine and immature are mostly good traits.

    The pictures confirm this: feminine facial structure, no manjaws, no 1000 cock stare.

    Plus, working in her favor is that every time she was asked to come forward and allege against specific people, she declined to do so. And, she even asked Erdley not to publish her story!

    The true Evils are Erdley, Sullivan, Rolling Stone, and every man and women who would white knight on the basis of an unsubstantiated allegation.

    It’s not Jackies fault that any of this happened. Erdley was victim shopping. I suspect that the broken glass metaphors in Erdley’s piece (dog whistles?) would have been written the same way regardless. All of Erdley’s writing has the same ‘bad lifetime move’ melodrama.

    The only real problem with Coakley, is that she’s spending too much time with radical feminists in victim support groups. These organizations can (maybe) help victims recover from mental trauma, but they can fuck up somebody who was never traumatized.

    • Replies: @Kylie

    I’ve got sympathy for Jackie....

    The true Evils are Erdley, Sullivan, Rolling Stone, and every man and women who would white knight on the basis of an unsubstantiated allegation....

    It’s not Jackies fault that any of this happened....
     
    .

    This contemptible perspective is as much a part of the problem as Jackie, and yes, Erdley, Sullivan, Rolling Stone, et al are.
  34. @Steve Sailer
    Young fertile women get cut a lot of slack.

    Her imagination is certainly fertile. But she may end up with as many kids as Monica Lewinsky.

  35. Haven Monahan invents time machine, rapes Quebecois nuns: http://laphamsquarterly.org/roundtable/nuns-story

  36. @Steve Sailer
    Young fertile women get cut a lot of slack.

    There was a con artist going around my neighbourhood tricking people into giving her tens and twenties. She was 40-50ish and not at all pretty, but people were making all the same excuses for her they are making for Jackie. “She just seemed so upset. Even if she was lying about the specific thing she said was wrong, there must be something really bad that she needs money for.” Some people refuse to accept that there are some really gifted liars out there.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    "This American Life" had a profile of a black con artist, Nick Ward, who worked downtown Philadelphia for years. People said they felt good about giving him large sums even after they learned they had been conned.

    http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/86/transcript

    From the show teaser: "Nick Ward didn't just convince strangers to hand him money on the street. He talked them into going to their bank machines if they didn't have money on them. He talked them into going back to their apartments if they didn't have their cash card with them. Some of the people he talked into giving him money two and three times. And when they left him, a lot of these people hugged him. They said, god bless you. They felt good about themselves. They're been conned and they never felt better. There's an artist for you. That's a gift."
  37. @Wilkey
    "As it is, she’s kind of on the radioactive dating list right now. I can’t help but feel a little sorry for her. No doubt my sympathy is misplaced and she’ll find a way to talk herself out of it and into a political career or something."

    If she were ugly and black would you feel the same degree of sympathy? Neither would I.

    Yep, she's royally effed up her life - even worse than Monica Lewinsky. Should I feel much sorrow if no guy wants to go near her? Hell no. Given her past, you'd be seriously risking bogus accusations of rape.

    What if she had managed to get her crush to sleep with her, and then he'd broken up with her? Odds are he'd be facing rape allegations, and she'd have a good shot at a conviction.

    Yep, even attractive women can be batshit crazy.

    Yep, she’s royally effed up her life – even worse than Monica Lewinsky.

    I don’t think Jackie’s father will be stuck with a six figure debt to William Ginsburg, Plato Cacheris, Jacob Stein (or anyone else in that same like of work). IIRC, George Stephanoplous once said that in the terminal phases of the Clinton Administration, you hoped you could get out with fewer than $150,000 in legal bills.
    ==
    As for papa Coakley, he faces a more perplexing situation than did Dr. Lewinsky. Dr. Lewinsky discovered (if he did not already know) that his daughter was given to (a) sluttishness and (b) terminal unseriousness (sworn to secrecy, she only told 11 people she was fellating the Big He). Women commonly outgrow one (and sexual expression is often impetuous in this decadent age) and sometimes the other, and it’s manifest when they have. Mr. Coakley faces the knowledge that his daughter concocted a fantastic hoax for selfish and ignoble reasons, and doubled-down again and again, misleading no doubt dozens of people. He can never really trust what she tells him again, and it’s a reasonable wager that people who’ve done this seldom have the necessary confrontation with themselves over t.

  38. UVA President Teresa A. Sullivan should be fired immediately. Failing that the legislature should take action. Failing that, the voters… However a state that elected Terry McAuliffe does not have much hope.

  39. @Scotty G. Vito
    Honor isn't really a concept that applies to women. i.e., They don't have it (which is a good thing in a certain context -- at least so long as no one's fooling themselves otherwise). You really need to understand how masculine its origin is to appreciate this; there's a decent book on it, quite learned if a bit overly delicate/peripatetic, by James Bowman. For the more concentrated version of the same spiel I would recommend Jack Donovan's columns & books.

    Your concept was expressed in a phrase I heard some while age:

    She offered her honor, so I honored her offer, and all through the night it was on’er and off’er.

  40. @Wilkey
    "As it is, she’s kind of on the radioactive dating list right now. I can’t help but feel a little sorry for her. No doubt my sympathy is misplaced and she’ll find a way to talk herself out of it and into a political career or something."

    If she were ugly and black would you feel the same degree of sympathy? Neither would I.

    Yep, she's royally effed up her life - even worse than Monica Lewinsky. Should I feel much sorrow if no guy wants to go near her? Hell no. Given her past, you'd be seriously risking bogus accusations of rape.

    What if she had managed to get her crush to sleep with her, and then he'd broken up with her? Odds are he'd be facing rape allegations, and she'd have a good shot at a conviction.

    Yep, even attractive women can be batshit crazy.

    Coakley may very well qualify for various forms of government aid, and a hefty advance to ‘tell her story’.

    There has to be a screenplay or two, and some life experience credit leading to a PhD at the College of Soft Knocks (you may know their mascot, the Cossacks).

  41. @Paul Mendez
    Can an alumnus make an honor code complaint? Not that I am one, but there may be some who read your blog.

    (While we're at it, why doesn't the government collect from the sponsors of new citizens who subsequently go on the dole? And why doesn't it revoke the citizenship of those who refuse to disavow their allegiance to their country of birth?)

    ” And why doesn’t it revoke the citizenship of those who refuse to disavow their allegiance to their country of birth?”

    Israel got the US’s ban on dual citizenship repealed many years ago.

    I can’t complain too much as I’ve benefitted from this change (dual US/UK).

  42. @UVA grad
    There was a con artist going around my neighbourhood tricking people into giving her tens and twenties. She was 40-50ish and not at all pretty, but people were making all the same excuses for her they are making for Jackie. "She just seemed so upset. Even if she was lying about the specific thing she said was wrong, there must be something really bad that she needs money for." Some people refuse to accept that there are some really gifted liars out there.

    “This American Life” had a profile of a black con artist, Nick Ward, who worked downtown Philadelphia for years. People said they felt good about giving him large sums even after they learned they had been conned.

    http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/86/transcript

    From the show teaser: “Nick Ward didn’t just convince strangers to hand him money on the street. He talked them into going to their bank machines if they didn’t have money on them. He talked them into going back to their apartments if they didn’t have their cash card with them. Some of the people he talked into giving him money two and three times. And when they left him, a lot of these people hugged him. They said, god bless you. They felt good about themselves. They’re been conned and they never felt better. There’s an artist for you. That’s a gift.”

    • Replies: @UVA grad
    Thanks, great link. Interesting that when Nick's marks are forced to face that they've been conned they become apoplectic. Probably the same thing at work with Jackie; she gave people the chance to be the good person who believed her, and they are not going to let that illusion be popped without a fight.
  43. @Harry Baldwin
    "This American Life" had a profile of a black con artist, Nick Ward, who worked downtown Philadelphia for years. People said they felt good about giving him large sums even after they learned they had been conned.

    http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/86/transcript

    From the show teaser: "Nick Ward didn't just convince strangers to hand him money on the street. He talked them into going to their bank machines if they didn't have money on them. He talked them into going back to their apartments if they didn't have their cash card with them. Some of the people he talked into giving him money two and three times. And when they left him, a lot of these people hugged him. They said, god bless you. They felt good about themselves. They're been conned and they never felt better. There's an artist for you. That's a gift."

    Thanks, great link. Interesting that when Nick’s marks are forced to face that they’ve been conned they become apoplectic. Probably the same thing at work with Jackie; she gave people the chance to be the good person who believed her, and they are not going to let that illusion be popped without a fight.

  44. @Steve Sailer
    Young fertile women get cut a lot of slack.

    It’s not true, now that I think of it, that young fertile women automatically make people feel protective. Sometimes a pretty girl in distress really brings out people’s sadistic side. Look at the press Lindsay Lohan gets. Or how happy the gossip columns were when Paris Hilton went to jail. There is definitely a market for pictures of beautiful girls with tears streaming down their faces.

    People enjoy doing basically everything to pretty girls. I remember Larry David had a bit where he admitted he enjoys making everyone laugh, but pretty girls most of all. If society decides it wants to talk about con artists, it will have much more fun talking about Jackie than about Nick.

  45. @Rotten
    I've got sympathy for Jackie.

    She, or at least the 18 yrs old self, seems "girly.". Her catfishing hoax is total girl logic. The Dawson's creek quotage shows a romantic side. She appears to be slightly more feminine and slightly more immature than other girls her age. Feminine and immature are mostly good traits.

    The pictures confirm this: feminine facial structure, no manjaws, no 1000 cock stare.

    Plus, working in her favor is that every time she was asked to come forward and allege against specific people, she declined to do so. And, she even asked Erdley not to publish her story!

    The true Evils are Erdley, Sullivan, Rolling Stone, and every man and women who would white knight on the basis of an unsubstantiated allegation.

    It's not Jackies fault that any of this happened. Erdley was victim shopping. I suspect that the broken glass metaphors in Erdley's piece (dog whistles?) would have been written the same way regardless. All of Erdley's writing has the same 'bad lifetime move' melodrama.

    The only real problem with Coakley, is that she's spending too much time with radical feminists in victim support groups. These organizations can (maybe) help victims recover from mental trauma, but they can fuck up somebody who was never traumatized.

    I’ve got sympathy for Jackie….

    The true Evils are Erdley, Sullivan, Rolling Stone, and every man and women who would white knight on the basis of an unsubstantiated allegation….

    It’s not Jackies fault that any of this happened….

    .

    This contemptible perspective is as much a part of the problem as Jackie, and yes, Erdley, Sullivan, Rolling Stone, et al are.

  46. @Anonymous
    Steve,
    I really think you are being too hard on this girl. You're right about all the stories she made up, but it was the reporter who took them and blew them up into what they became. I seem to remember that she actually asked Rubin Erdely not to publish her story, but of course Rubin Erdely couldn't resist. I frankly don't understand all the glee over the way this kid has ruined her life. While Rubin Erdely is being rehabilitated and will be back churning out more "journalism " of the same quality.

    I believe I have read that the investigation (hard to keep all the conflicting info straight sometimes) did not find that Jackie ever tried to get Rolling Stone to not publish the story.

  47. @Wilkey
    "As it is, she’s kind of on the radioactive dating list right now. I can’t help but feel a little sorry for her. No doubt my sympathy is misplaced and she’ll find a way to talk herself out of it and into a political career or something."

    If she were ugly and black would you feel the same degree of sympathy? Neither would I.

    Yep, she's royally effed up her life - even worse than Monica Lewinsky. Should I feel much sorrow if no guy wants to go near her? Hell no. Given her past, you'd be seriously risking bogus accusations of rape.

    What if she had managed to get her crush to sleep with her, and then he'd broken up with her? Odds are he'd be facing rape allegations, and she'd have a good shot at a conviction.

    Yep, even attractive women can be batshit crazy.

    Any smart guy uses a USB thumb drive recorder on any and all dates/female encounters. Although once word gets out, the counterclaim will be he played a prior recording while he raped me. And so it goes…

  48. @Trumpenprole
    Then too, we have all seen the pictures of Jackie, and she is adorable. Whats wrong with this Ryan character anyway. When I was a horny student, I'd a banged the snot out of her, crazy or not.

    Had you banged this crazy, you would be labelled a rapist by feminazis who will then claim that ‘poor Jackie’ is protecting her rapist ex-boyfriend. Double victim!!

    IMHO, Ryan dodged a bullet.

  49. […] Coakley is yet to face the comparatively token threat of a university Honor Code trial. UVA was more than happy to suspend Greek Life activities across the whole university, not just for […]

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