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From the Daily Mail:

Mixed-race relationships are making us taller and smarter:

Children born to genetically diverse parents are more intelligent than their ancestors

Researchers analysed genetic information from more than 100 studies

These included details of 350,000 people from urban and rural communities

The team found that greater genetic diversity is linked to increased height

It is also associated with better cognitive skills and higher education levels

By VICTORIA WOOLLASTON FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 12:00 EST, 1 July 2015 | UPDATED: 14:58 EST, 1 July 2015

I wrote in VDARE in 2006:

Since then, however, I just haven’t seen much more evidence come along to back the hybrid vigor theory as being terribly important in America.

There’s no question that inbreeding is a major problem in the western half of the Muslim world (and among Pakistani immigrants in Britain), where marriages between first cousins are considered the ideal marital arrangement. In Iraq, for instance, about half of all married couples are first or second cousins.

Psychometrician Arthur Jensen, the leading researcher on intelligence, reports that, besides increasing the likelihood of major birth defects, inbreeding reduces “birth weight, height, head circumference, chest girth, and resistance to infectious diseases.” IQ is lowered by a few points on average.

Among Europeans, inbreeding tends to be found both in the highest classes, among royalty, and at the highest altitudes, among hillbillies. An Italian ancestor of my wife’s was famous in his village in the Apennines as a true romantic because he wooed and won a girl from the town 1,500 feet in elevation down the mountainside. Most of the other local swains couldn’t be bothered with the long trek back uphill and therefore married village girls. Not surprisingly, the villagers tended to be short and a little unhealthy, until the generation after motorbus service first made the outside world conveniently accessible.

Interracial marriage is the surest cure for inbreeding. But it’s also close to overkill. Simply marrying somebody of the same race but from the next valley will eliminate most “inbreeding depression” in your kids.

Americans have such a horror of inbreeding that there’s less of it here than anywhere else on earth: less than one percent of Americans in the middle of the 20th Century were married to a first or second cousin. Further, Americans have moved so many times in settling this country that the less obvious forms of inbreeding that occur when the same families occupy the same village for centuries, a situation where married couples might well be, say, fourth, fifth, and sixth cousins to each other by multiple genealogical paths, are rarer here than in Europe.

And there is a downside to intermarriage.

The obverse of hybrid vigor: the possibility that combining genes which didn’t evolve to work together might cause health problems due to incompatibilities. …

Like hybrid vigor, genetic incompatibilities across racial lines unquestionably exist in some cases. So the key empirical question is: what the net balance of the two opposing forces?

Gregory Cochran told me that he and University of Utah population geneticist Henry Harpending once scanned the medical literature to see if interracial mating increased human fertility (due to hybrid vigor) or decreased it (due to genetic incompatibilities). They concluded that whatever net effect might exist was smaller than the statistical margin of error in the studies.

There’s another aspect which is that interracial mating tends to increase phenotype variance, so interracial celebrities (e.g., Quincey Jones’ daughter Rashida Jones) tend to be the lucky winners in the looks department in a more high stakes genetic lottery.

But there’s much selection bias. We don’t see much of the unlucky losers (unless they have a lot of talent besides looks).

However, here’s a rare photo of Richard Pryor with his comedienne daughter Rain Pryor.

 
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  1. Have you ever written about the dominance of Latinos in baseball?

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    , @iSteveFan

    Have you ever written about the dominance of Latinos in baseball?
     
    Aren't most of the dominant latinos in baseball mostly descendants of black slaves, and as such, have almost nothing in common with Mexicans other than the Spanish language?
    , @Retired
    The are predominately of African descent, particularly the Dominicans. A lot of them would be playing football if they were raised in the states, they are so big.
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  2. Whenever I see tall white men with toy Asian wives I lament the waste of height, and I wonder if the man had considered how his choice of mate might impact the size and girth of any sons resulting from their union.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Whenever I see tall white men with toy Asian wives I lament the waste of height, and I wonder if the man had considered how his choice of mate might impact the size and girth of any sons resulting from their union."

    Most men prefer to date/marry women who are shorter than them. That is why Asian women are a hot commodity in the Heterosexual dating/marriage market and most WNBA women are not.
    , @Robbie
    The tall white men with Asian women WANT their sons to be less than them.

    It's getting rid of any other male competition to their status.

    There's a Male Disease going on in America that I've seen in white men...and it is a desire to Deny Your Children That Which You Had.

    The Uighurs in China are half-asian/half-white and they are no competition for Han Chinese or Pure Whites.

    Also, test score wise...Half-Asians score lower than Pure Whites on Verbal...Half-Asians score Lower than Asians on GPA...The goal isn't to be 'good at stuff' the goal is to be Excellent At Something...

    Then you have White + Mexican or Mediterranean White and you get serious drug low IQ problems...

    Jeb Bush's kids are far from successful. Ted Cruz just talked about his sister being a drug addict and later committing suicide....a situation similar to Jeb's daughter.

    Interracial Marriage is the Nail in the Coffin for America...because the next generation won't be genetically white...

    I'll say it....

    Pure English, Pure German, Pure Scandic are the Gold Standards

    Blue eyes people. Blue eyes. If you turn your kid's eyes brown...may you get what you deserve.

    , @Anonymous
    "Most men prefer to date/marry women who are shorter than them. That is why Asian women are a hot commodity in the Heterosexual dating/marriage market and most WNBA women are not."

    I think the issue is proportionality, not simply whether or not the man is taller.
    , @Whiskey
    Those guys are generally too Beta to win White women. Asian women are more tolerant, still don't like it, of beta males. White women are edging into Black women territory in hatred of beta males.
    , @Anonymous Nephew
    A friend is Chinese, 5'0'', husband English and 6'4". Three sons and a daughter, all about 5'10", so not a huge height loss.
    , @Anonymous

    I wonder if the man had considered how his choice of mate might impact the size and girth of any sons
     
    Ouch. :)

    Also it could be that these men are with them in the first place because Asian women can be satisfied with less size and girth. So there could be self-selection going on for less size and girth.

  3. “Have you ever written about the dominance of Latinos in baseball?”

    Especially the dominance of Afro Latinos in baseball, because most Latino players in the MLB would not blend in a crowd of Spaniards phenotype wise. Your average Latino MLB player looks closer to Barry Bonds in phenotype than to Mark McGwire. Which should not be surprising when you factor in which Spanish speaking countries are sending the most baseball players to The United States and it is not Argentina or Spain that’s for damn sure.

    Although it is interesting that Chris Rock does not see Afro Latino MLB players as Black, he just racially lumps them in with White MLB players and than says the MLB is Whiter than the Ferguson police department. Any MLB players who have a Spanish last name is automatically White to Chris Rock, regardless of phenotype.

    Afro Latinos are not seen as Vibrant Diversity in the MLB just like Asians are not seen as Vibrant Diversity in Silicon Valley.

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  4. There’s another aspect which is that interracial mating tends to increase phenotype variance, so interracial celebrities (e.g., Quincey Jones’ daughter Rashida Jones)

    Here’s Kenya Jones, the daughter that Quincy had with the very lovely Nastassja Kinski:

    http://ampersand.louandgrey.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Kenya-1400×600.jpg

    http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/470897954-model-kenya-kinski-jones-attends-opening-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QcgI0q%2F2ZPDMVJygmW25rwmBkoP2S1nhSm5D59A7fbs8M32gV83ty5b1NqvwIkM5yQ%3D%3D

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    • Replies: @Anon
    What a waste.
    , @Robbie
    The black chick isn't even as close as being as hot as her white mother.

    She looks hispanic and mean

    Join the line of highschool hispanic girls who look similar.

    Her face is symmetrical and her eyelash extensions are fantastic ala Kim Kardashian.

    But she is not a True Beauty worthy of Inspiring Art.

    (If you look very carefully her eyes are way too close together, hence why she is wearing eyelash extensions that are winged tip to pull the eyes farther apart)

    , @Shawn
    Blonde hair blue-eyed women have traditionally been seen as the pinnacle of beauty. They would not exist with interracial dating.
  5. @js123
    Have you ever written about the dominance of Latinos in baseball?

    Have you ever written about the dominance of Latinos in baseball?

    Aren’t most of the dominant latinos in baseball mostly descendants of black slaves, and as such, have almost nothing in common with Mexicans other than the Spanish language?

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  6. But we don’t see much of the unlucky losers (unless they have a lot of talent besides looks).

    However, here’s a rare photo of Richard Pryor with his comedienne daughter Rain Pryor.

    Rain Pryor isn’t a supermodel and her hair looks like sideshow bob, but she is a pretty girl. This hot-or-not comment seems somewhat childish for Sailer

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    • Replies: @Anon
    "Rain Pryor isn’t a supermodel and her hair looks like sideshow bob, but she is a pretty girl."

    http://www.ajlmagazine.com/graphics/subpages/content/012007/rainpryor.jpg

    https://youtu.be/NKwCv6R4CFE?t=32s
    , @Amigo
    Go google her images; not pretty. If anything, Steve took one of her better ones as an example.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Yeah, was about to say, Rain Pryor? Hot? Thanks, haven't had a good laugh in about a week.
    , @ricpic
    "Rain Pryor...is a pretty girl."

    She most assuredly is not!
    , @Michelle
    I have to agree with you. Steve was acting very juvenile to comment on Rain's appearance. She looks like her father, but that should not surprise anyone who believes that we inherit our genes from our parents. She has done nothing to deserve to be held up to ridicule. Fratty behavior. Shame, shame, Steve.
    , @WhatEvvs
    Demi Moore & Bruce Willis' daughters are homely.

    Rashida's mother was the beautiful Eskimo, Peggy Lipton:

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/31/3b/0d/313b0d583b1aa6928bf8706272568ea0.jpg

    She and Michelle Phillips were the quintessential 60s blonde chicks. But she's aged better than Michelle.
  7. TV Land dropped reruns of The Dukes Of Hazzard from their lineup, because of the Confederate flag on The General Lee.

    Political correctness on steroids has made America go full retard. As Robert Downey Jr.’s character says in Tropic Thunder, you never go full retard.

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    • Replies: @e
    People are rallying around Trump because he is doubling down. Good for him.
  8. Another way inbreeding can occur is in an endogamous population that has gone through a bottleneck. Ashkenazi Jews are the classic example. They had a very small population 20-25 generations ago. Harpending is wrong to say there was no bottleneck. All geneticists know there was. As a result there are many Ashkenazi diseases such as Tay-Sachs or familial dysautonomia. It’s the result of a remote history of inbreeding, that is a founder effect. Other populations that are bottle necked include Finns, Sardinians, and Micronesians.

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    • Replies: @Doug
    > Another way inbreeding can occur is in an endogamous population that has gone through a bottleneck. Ashkenazi Jews are the classic example.

    A cursory spot check indicates that half-Jews are at least as successful, if not more so than full Jews. Obviously there's a lot of selection affects here. And outbreeding Jews probably are mating with the upper half of the gentile bell curve. Still even with that, regression to the lower gentile mean should disadvantage half-Ashkenazi offspring. The most plausible explanation is that hybrid vigor is counteracting this effect.
    , @pyrrhus
    No evidence that there was a bottleneck, but lots of evidence of extreme inbreeding in the Ashkenazi community over a period of many centuries. The "bottleneck" theory is just a lame attempt to divert attention from the inbreeding and the resulting plethora of genetic diseases in Ashkenazi.....In my direct experience, there are a huge number of children affected by such unfortunate conditions in our area, which has a very substantial Ashkenazi population.
    , @Southfarthing
    Cochran and Harpending covered this:


    "Ashkenazic diseases like Tay-Sachs, they say, are a side effect of genes that promote intelligence." . . .

    The Utah team agrees with Dr. Risch that the diseases all arose in historical times from the same cause but say natural selection is more likely because none of the non-disease Ashkenazic genes they tested showed any sign of a founder effect. They say the clustering of four of the diseases in the same biochemical pathway could only have arisen under the influence of natural selection, and calculate that the odds of a founder effect producing such a cluster are vanishingly low.

    The four diseases, all of which are caused by mutations that affect the cell's management of chemicals known as sphingolipids, are Tay-Sachs, Niemann-Pick, Gaucher, and mucolipidosis type IV. A second cluster of diseases affects repair of DNA."

     

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/03/science/researchers-say-intelligence-and-diseases-may-be-linked-in-ashkenazic-genes.html?_r=0
  9. But we don’t see much of the unlucky losers (unless they have a lot of talent besides looks).

    However, here’s a rare photo of Richard Pryor with his comedienne daughter Rain Pryor

    Billy Joel’s daughter with Christie Brinkley looks like her father (and I suppose sings like her mother). Big genetic loser (but, hey, she’s Billy Joel’s daughter, so she doesn’t have to worry about supporting herself or finding a man).

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    • Replies: @Anon
    "Billy Joel’s daughter with Christie Brinkley looks like her father"

    Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyuck.
    , @WowJustWow
    Bruce Willis's daughters also got a little too much gene expression from their father.
    , @Keith Vaz
    She does have to worry. Status doesn't make girls more attractive to men.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "Billy Joel’s daughter with Christie Brinkley looks like her father (and I suppose sings like her mother). Big genetic loser (but, hey, she’s Billy Joel’s daughter, so she doesn’t have to worry about supporting herself or finding a man)."

    I just Googled her, and she basically looks like a younger Christie Brinkley, with darker coloured hair. Not everyone finds Nordic-looking women to be our innate aesthetic superiors. I mean, its a popular choice, to be sure, but to suggest Brinkley's daughter is a "big genetic loser," based on little more than her having nearly-black hair, seems a tad ridiculous. I find her much more appealing than her mother. And yet, nearly all her individually identifiable facial features, clearly come her mother's side of the family.

  10. There’s another aspect which is that interracial mating tends to increase phenotype variance, so interracial celebrities (e.g., Quincey Jones’ daughter Rashida Jones) tend to be the lucky winners in the looks department in a more high stakes genetic lottery.

    But we don’t see much of the unlucky losers (unless they have a lot of talent besides looks).

    There’s also the way that differences in phenotype can cause tension/divisions within families:

    KIDADA: I was kicked out of Buckley in second grade for behavior problems. I didn’t want my mother to come to my new school. If kids saw her, it would be: “your mom’s white!” I told Mom she couldn’t pick me up; she had to wait down the street in her car. Did Rashida have that problem? No! She passed for white.

    RASHIDA: “Passed”?! I had no control over how I looked. This is my natural hair, these are my natural eyes! I’ve never tried to be anything that I’m not. Today I feel guilty, knowing that because of the way our genes tumbled out, Kidada had to go through pain I didn’t have to endure. Loving her so much, I’m sad that I’ll never share that experience with her.

    RASHIDA: But it was different with our grandparents. Our dad’s father died before we were born. We didn’t see our dad’s mother often. I felt comfortable with Mommy’s parents, who’d come to love my dad like a son. Kidada wasn’t so comfortable with them. I felt Jewish; Kidada didn’t.

    KIDADA: I knew Mommy’s parents were upset at first when she married a black man, and though they did the best they could, I picked up on what I thought was their subtle disapproval of me. Mommy says they loved me, but I felt estranged from them.

    PEGGY: Kidada never wanted to be white. She spoke with a little…twist in her language. She had ‘tude. Rashida spoke more primly, and her identity touched all bases. She’d announce, “I’m going to be the first female, black, Jewish president of the U.S.!”

    KIDADA: When I was 11, a white girlfriend and I were going to meet up with these boys she knew. I’d told her, because I wanted to be accepted, “Tell them I’m tan.” When we met them, the one she was setting me up with said, “You didn’t tell me she was black.” That’s When I started defining myself as black, period. Why fight it? Everyone wanted to put me in a box. On passports, at doctor’s offices, when I changed schools, there were boxes to check: Caucasian, Black, Hispanic, Asian. I don’t mean any dishonor to my mother–who is the most wonderful mother in the world, and we are so alike–but: I am black. Rashida answers questions about “what” she is differently. She uses all the adjectives: black, white, Jewish.

    rashida-jones-sister-kidada-agrees-she-passed-for-white-but-did-the-mean-girls-at-harvard-scare-her-away-from-dating-black-men-forever/ >http://bossip.com/623483/rashida-jones-sister-kidada-agrees-she-passed-for-white-but-did-the-mean-girls-at-harvard-scare-her-away-from-dating-black-men-forever/

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    "rashida-jones-sister-kidada-agrees-she-passed-for-white-but-did-the-mean-girls-at-harvard-scare-her-away-from-dating-black-men-forever/ >http://bossip.com/623483/rashida-jones-sister-kidada-agrees-she-passed-for-white-but-did-the-mean-girls-at-harvard-scare-her-away-from-dating-black-men-forever/"

    Rashida Jones has dated more White men than all of the Kardashian sisters combined.
    , @Father O'Hara
    "Kidada never wanted to be white...." Riiiiight! "Kidada...acted out...tomboy...(was asked to leave) the Buckley school...Rashida liked wearing dresses". Wow just wow.Darn the beautiful white woman who put those genes into the Jewish race and thence into the black.
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    However, here’s a rare photo of Richard Pryor with his comedienne daughter Rain Pryor.

    She kind of reminds me of Rumer Willis with that chin:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Rumer_Willis.jpg

    Rumer is the daughter of Bruce Willis and Demi Moore, so I don’t really know what happened there.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Classic example of when a masculine man has an ogre daughter. Some families have genetics that favor the men and hurt the women. Other families have genetics that favor the women and hurt the men.
    , @Anonymous
    Lisa Marie Presely is hard to explain too.
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    @Massimo Heitor

    But we don’t see much of the unlucky losers (unless they have a lot of talent besides looks).

    However, here’s a rare photo of Richard Pryor with his comedienne daughter Rain Pryor.
     
    Rain Pryor isn't a supermodel and her hair looks like sideshow bob, but she is a pretty girl. This hot-or-not comment seems somewhat childish for Sailer

    “Rain Pryor isn’t a supermodel and her hair looks like sideshow bob, but she is a pretty girl.”

    http://www.ajlmagazine.com/graphics/subpages/content/012007/rainpryor.jpg

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    @syonredux

    There’s another aspect which is that interracial mating tends to increase phenotype variance, so interracial celebrities (e.g., Quincey Jones’ daughter Rashida Jones)
     
    Here's Kenya Jones, the daughter that Quincy had with the very lovely Nastassja Kinski:


    http://ampersand.louandgrey.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Kenya-1400x600.jpg

    http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/470897954-model-kenya-kinski-jones-attends-opening-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QcgI0q%2F2ZPDMVJygmW25rwmBkoP2S1nhSm5D59A7fbs8M32gV83ty5b1NqvwIkM5yQ%3D%3D

    What a waste.

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  14. @js123
    Have you ever written about the dominance of Latinos in baseball?

    The are predominately of African descent, particularly the Dominicans. A lot of them would be playing football if they were raised in the states, they are so big.

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    @Noah172
    But we don’t see much of the unlucky losers (unless they have a lot of talent besides looks).

    However, here’s a rare photo of Richard Pryor with his comedienne daughter Rain Pryor


    Billy Joel's daughter with Christie Brinkley looks like her father (and I suppose sings like her mother). Big genetic loser (but, hey, she's Billy Joel's daughter, so she doesn't have to worry about supporting herself or finding a man).

    “Billy Joel’s daughter with Christie Brinkley looks like her father”

    Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyuck.

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    Algerians should be tops in everything since they are racially mixed.

    I wonder why they are all trying to flee to Europe.

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    How well observed! It is true that we take much pride in the achievements of St Augustine, Zidane and others. Having some genes that came from across the sea and others from across the deserts to the East and South, we can't complain about being genetic isolates but it is true that most our roots are local. Of course, I understand the sarcasm and racial hatred ingrained in your comment but I hope that this response will stimulate you to learn more about a subject in which you wish to express your opinion. As regards immigration, it is an unfortunate result of the continuing twentieth century when Algeria became independent in 1962 (it is a relatively new nation) after 132 years of French colonial rule that ensured that the population was uneducated, economically pauperised and politically disenfranchised. Throughout the decades of ndependance, the Governments attempted to remedy to that and attained some degree of success but that was counterbalanced by a demographic explosion (caused by massive improvements in healthcare, including vaccination, infant survivability as well as by the continuation of archaic rural birth strategies in recently urbanised populations), the corruption of the institutions (as elsewhere in both the third and second worlds), the dependency on oil and gas (controlled by said corrupt institutions), dependncy on imports of food due to inefficient agriculture, due to difficult natural conditions and relative scarcity of arable land with said demographically exploding population...do you see a visciuos circle here?), the choice of the socialist development model and the negative influence of fundamentalist Islam, personified by Saudi Arabia (allied with the US, UK and other free countries from which you may or may not hail- we will probably never know, since you are anonymous) that led to a civil war in the nineties that caused between one and two hundred thousand people to violently die). All of this led to many people living in cities, not on the land, having a secondary education (so not willing to be peasants or doing menial jobs, yet not finding work in an industry that never sufficiently developped because of foreign competition -think China, but that's a whole other story) to opt to leave their country to seek better opportunities elsewhere (something that I believe to be much celebrated in New World countries). As there already was a trend of going to France (something encouraged by the French from WW2 to the seventies and as most Algerians were reasonably fluent in French (that is unfortunately changing as the educational priorities are getting in line with global trends and English superceding French, also because of faux nationalist policies imposing Arabic), most migrants went to that country and as some didn't like it or felt unwelcome there (because of the previous colonial conflict), some went to other lands. Now of those that left, some were idiots, others were not, some of their kids didn't integrate well while others did. As regards to doing well, some did awful, others did average, some did outstanding. I am sure that even you can find a few Algerian academics, people in the professions and since such is the title of this article, sportsmen and mathematicians too. Yes there are problems related to education, class, socio-economic status, religion (a major problem everywhere), nationalism...etc. but to put it down to racial admixture is a bit primitive and does not show much insight. I think all humans are more or less mixed, we don't chose that but it is what we do with the good and bad genes that hitory and geography dealt us that is important. As regards immigration, it has always existed as it is in human nature to seek a better life, it just has accelerated with the revolution of transportation, growth of world population and sharpening of differences between rich and poor (people and lands). So, don't hate, learn, observe and try to nderstand.
  17. @syonredux

    There’s another aspect which is that interracial mating tends to increase phenotype variance, so interracial celebrities (e.g., Quincey Jones’ daughter Rashida Jones) tend to be the lucky winners in the looks department in a more high stakes genetic lottery.

    But we don’t see much of the unlucky losers (unless they have a lot of talent besides looks).
     
    There's also the way that differences in phenotype can cause tension/divisions within families:

    KIDADA: I was kicked out of Buckley in second grade for behavior problems. I didn’t want my mother to come to my new school. If kids saw her, it would be: “your mom’s white!” I told Mom she couldn’t pick me up; she had to wait down the street in her car. Did Rashida have that problem? No! She passed for white.

    RASHIDA: “Passed”?! I had no control over how I looked. This is my natural hair, these are my natural eyes! I’ve never tried to be anything that I’m not. Today I feel guilty, knowing that because of the way our genes tumbled out, Kidada had to go through pain I didn’t have to endure. Loving her so much, I’m sad that I’ll never share that experience with her.

    RASHIDA: But it was different with our grandparents. Our dad’s father died before we were born. We didn’t see our dad’s mother often. I felt comfortable with Mommy’s parents, who’d come to love my dad like a son. Kidada wasn’t so comfortable with them. I felt Jewish; Kidada didn’t.

    KIDADA: I knew Mommy’s parents were upset at first when she married a black man, and though they did the best they could, I picked up on what I thought was their subtle disapproval of me. Mommy says they loved me, but I felt estranged from them.

    PEGGY: Kidada never wanted to be white. She spoke with a little…twist in her language. She had ‘tude. Rashida spoke more primly, and her identity touched all bases. She’d announce, “I’m going to be the first female, black, Jewish president of the U.S.!”

    KIDADA: When I was 11, a white girlfriend and I were going to meet up with these boys she knew. I’d told her, because I wanted to be accepted, “Tell them I’m tan.” When we met them, the one she was setting me up with said, “You didn’t tell me she was black.” That’s When I started defining myself as black, period. Why fight it? Everyone wanted to put me in a box. On passports, at doctor’s offices, when I changed schools, there were boxes to check: Caucasian, Black, Hispanic, Asian. I don’t mean any dishonor to my mother–who is the most wonderful mother in the world, and we are so alike–but: I am black. Rashida answers questions about “what” she is differently. She uses all the adjectives: black, white, Jewish.

     

    rashida-jones-sister-kidada-agrees-she-passed-for-white-but-did-the-mean-girls-at-harvard-scare-her-away-from-dating-black-men-forever/ >http://bossip.com/623483/rashida-jones-sister-kidada-agrees-she-passed-for-white-but-did-the-mean-girls-at-harvard-scare-her-away-from-dating-black-men-forever/

    “rashida-jones-sister-kidada-agrees-she-passed-for-white-but-did-the-mean-girls-at-harvard-scare-her-away-from-dating-black-men-forever/ >http://bossip.com/623483/rashida-jones-sister-kidada-agrees-she-passed-for-white-but-did-the-mean-girls-at-harvard-scare-her-away-from-dating-black-men-forever/”

    Rashida Jones has dated more White men than all of the Kardashian sisters combined.

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    Rashida Jones has dated more White men than all of the Kardashian sisters combined.
     
    I tend to think that Rashida's White guy dating history has a lot to do with her Caucasoid phenotype:

    RASHIDA: But it was different with our grandparents. Our dad’s father died before we were born. We didn’t see our dad’s mother often. I felt comfortable with Mommy’s parents, who’d come to love my dad like a son. Kidada wasn’t so comfortable with them. I felt Jewish; Kidada didn’t.

     

    As for the Kardashians, it would be interesting to see when, say, Kim developed her Black fixation
    , @Nathan Wartooth
    I'm a fan of The Office and for a long time I was convinced Rashida Jones was a white chick who just had a dark tan.

    There is even a scene where Micheal Scott makes a joke about not knowing what race she belongs to.
  18. @Uptown Resident
    Whenever I see tall white men with toy Asian wives I lament the waste of height, and I wonder if the man had considered how his choice of mate might impact the size and girth of any sons resulting from their union.

    “Whenever I see tall white men with toy Asian wives I lament the waste of height, and I wonder if the man had considered how his choice of mate might impact the size and girth of any sons resulting from their union.”

    Most men prefer to date/marry women who are shorter than them. That is why Asian women are a hot commodity in the Heterosexual dating/marriage market and most WNBA women are not.

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    • Replies: @Anonym
    That is true to a point. More than a head shorter and it's too short IMO.
    , @Anonymous
    There may be a tradeoff as tallness is an advantage for men but can be a handicap for women. Though maybe this isn't about height. Maybe "size and girth of any sons" is referring to penis size?
    , @Uptown Resident
    Right, Asian women are necessary because there are so few proportionately shorter white women for tall white men to marry.
    , @Anonymous
    "I wonder if the man had considered how his choice of mate might impact the size and girth of any sons resulting from their union.”

    I consider it highly unlikely - Asians who are born and raised in Western countries rapidly outstrip their co-ethnics back home in height and stature due to nutritional changes (milk, beef and wheat in my opinion).

    My parents are both of Taiwanese background and stand little more than five feet in height. I'm six two and weigh around 200 pounds (little fat), and I know plenty of other overseas Chinese who are of similar height and build.
  19. @Noah172
    But we don’t see much of the unlucky losers (unless they have a lot of talent besides looks).

    However, here’s a rare photo of Richard Pryor with his comedienne daughter Rain Pryor


    Billy Joel's daughter with Christie Brinkley looks like her father (and I suppose sings like her mother). Big genetic loser (but, hey, she's Billy Joel's daughter, so she doesn't have to worry about supporting herself or finding a man).

    Bruce Willis’s daughters also got a little too much gene expression from their father.

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    • Replies: @Stealth

    Bruce Willis’s daughters also got a little too much gene expression from their father.
     
    Especially Rumer, new photos of whom graced Huffingon Post every single day a couple of years ago.

    The Willis jaw must be a very dominant trait. Actually, the jaw isn't really all that big. It's the fact that her nose is so small. I wonder if that's the result of plastic surgery.

  20. @Paleo
    Another way inbreeding can occur is in an endogamous population that has gone through a bottleneck. Ashkenazi Jews are the classic example. They had a very small population 20-25 generations ago. Harpending is wrong to say there was no bottleneck. All geneticists know there was. As a result there are many Ashkenazi diseases such as Tay-Sachs or familial dysautonomia. It's the result of a remote history of inbreeding, that is a founder effect. Other populations that are bottle necked include Finns, Sardinians, and Micronesians.

    > Another way inbreeding can occur is in an endogamous population that has gone through a bottleneck. Ashkenazi Jews are the classic example.

    A cursory spot check indicates that half-Jews are at least as successful, if not more so than full Jews. Obviously there’s a lot of selection affects here. And outbreeding Jews probably are mating with the upper half of the gentile bell curve. Still even with that, regression to the lower gentile mean should disadvantage half-Ashkenazi offspring. The most plausible explanation is that hybrid vigor is counteracting this effect.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    That's arguable for intellectual fields. The list of eminent Jewish intellectuals is much more robust than the list of eminent half-Jewish intellectuals.
    , @ben tillman

    A cursory spot check indicates that half-Jews are at least as successful, if not more so than full Jews. Obviously there’s a lot of selection affects here. And outbreeding Jews probably are mating with the upper half of the gentile bell curve. Still even with that, regression to the lower gentile mean should disadvantage half-Ashkenazi offspring. The most plausible explanation is that hybrid vigor is counteracting this effect.
     
    The more plausible explanation is that they have two networks of ethnic nepotism.
  21. Ashkenazi Jews are a very racially mixed population. Are they a good example of hybrid vigor?

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    Ashkenazi Jews are a very racially mixed population.
     
    I'm not sure that I would characterize them as "very racially mixed":

    I’m looking at abstracts on Ashkenazi genetics from ASHG 2013 and SMBE 2014 – by the same group, with Shai Carmi as the lead author. They did 128 whole genomes, 50x deep.

    They concluded Ashkenazi Jews were about 50% Middle Eastern and 50% European. In the 2013 abstract, they were pretty specific: they estimated the European ancestry fraction at 55% , plus or minus 2%. ( In our book, we had a crude estimate of about 40% European ancestry.) They estimated the split between Europeans and Middle Easterners at about 9000 BC: which sounds about the right date for the entry of the Sardinian-like farmers. From other data (mtDNA) , and from the fact that you see almost zero WHG or ANE in Ashkenazi autosomal genes, one can conclude that the European admixture was mostly Italian, with some southern French. Very little German or Slavic – by that time serious endogamy had set in..
     
    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2014/06/24/ashkenazi-ancestry/


    Middle Eastern plus Italian/Southern European, those are two fairly closely related populations.It's not like Mexico, which is a compound of Amerind and Iberian.

    Are they a good example of hybrid vigor?
     
    Seeing as how the mixture occurred over one thousand years ago, I would say no.
    , @WowJustWow
    No, they're a good example of what happens in a culture where the top scholars traditionally get the best chicks.

    I wonder if the large corpus of movies and TV shows where the nerd gets the girl in the end isn't deliberate cultural manipulation but just a result of Jewish Hollywood misapplying its own Jungian collective unconscious when producing stories about gentiles.
    , @drconatus
    Ashkenazi Jews are not "very racially mixed." And it's still up in the air how much European mixture they have -- could be anywhere from ~0 to ~3/4ths. We won't know for sure until a good amount of ancient DNA is sampled from the Levant (looking more likely to be technically feasible now).

    On topic: the proposed formative Ashkenazi population would have been a mix of Palestinian-types with Italian-types. Something like Rula Jebreal -- another nice example of a fine looking hybrid. ;-)

    https://www.google.com/search?q=rula+jebreal&safe=off&es_sm=91&biw=1527&bih=832&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=foyUVcyyFNTaoATHhZXYBQ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ
  22. @Massimo Heitor

    But we don’t see much of the unlucky losers (unless they have a lot of talent besides looks).

    However, here’s a rare photo of Richard Pryor with his comedienne daughter Rain Pryor.
     
    Rain Pryor isn't a supermodel and her hair looks like sideshow bob, but she is a pretty girl. This hot-or-not comment seems somewhat childish for Sailer

    Go google her images; not pretty. If anything, Steve took one of her better ones as an example.

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    Right, the picture of the Pryors together is from when Richard was hale and hearty, which was a long, long time ago.
  23. The source being the Daily Mail, it’s no surprise that the actual study has very little to do with the news story. The study doesn’t say anything about interracial mating. While the sample was racially diverse, different races and ethnicities were carefully separated before the main analyses. Here’s a quote from the paper’s methods section:

    Homogeneous sub-cohorts were created for analysis on the basis of ethnicity, genotyping array or other factors. Where a cohort had multiple ethnicities, sub-cohorts for each separate ethnicity were created and analysed separately. In all cases individuals of European, African, South or Central Asian, East Asian and Hispanic heritage individuals were separated. In some cases sub-categories, such as Ashkenazi Jews, were also distinguished. Ethnic outliers were excluded, as were the second of any monozygotic twins and pregnant subjects.

    The point of the study was to study the effect of homozygosity on various traits within genetically homogeneous populations. They found that height, lung volume, general cognitive ability, and educational attainment all appear to be negatively affected by excess homozygosity. The findings also suggest that these traits have been under directional evolutionary selection. No such effects were found for various cardio-metabolic traits such as blood pressure.

    I think this is the same study consortium that is rumored to soon publish their findings on something like 70 genome-wide significant hits related to IQ and educational attainment. That study may be interesting from a racial perspective, too.

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  24. ”Are genetically smarter than their ancestors”

    How this researchers proved it???

    Well, White monoracial British ”kids” also are taller than their ”ancestors”. Smarter too??

    For some politically incorrect (zzzzzaion… ;-) ) stuff, iq is worst than ”Miss universe questions” to measure ‘intelligence” ‘or’ cognition. To prove new Unengland, iq is absolutely amazing. Well, well, well…

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  25. @JohnnyWalker123
    Ashkenazi Jews are a very racially mixed population. Are they a good example of hybrid vigor?

    Ashkenazi Jews are a very racially mixed population.

    I’m not sure that I would characterize them as “very racially mixed”:

    I’m looking at abstracts on Ashkenazi genetics from ASHG 2013 and SMBE 2014 – by the same group, with Shai Carmi as the lead author. They did 128 whole genomes, 50x deep.

    They concluded Ashkenazi Jews were about 50% Middle Eastern and 50% European. In the 2013 abstract, they were pretty specific: they estimated the European ancestry fraction at 55% , plus or minus 2%. ( In our book, we had a crude estimate of about 40% European ancestry.) They estimated the split between Europeans and Middle Easterners at about 9000 BC: which sounds about the right date for the entry of the Sardinian-like farmers. From other data (mtDNA) , and from the fact that you see almost zero WHG or ANE in Ashkenazi autosomal genes, one can conclude that the European admixture was mostly Italian, with some southern French. Very little German or Slavic – by that time serious endogamy had set in..

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2014/06/24/ashkenazi-ancestry/

    Middle Eastern plus Italian/Southern European, those are two fairly closely related populations.It’s not like Mexico, which is a compound of Amerind and Iberian.

    Are they a good example of hybrid vigor?

    Seeing as how the mixture occurred over one thousand years ago, I would say no.

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    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    German Jews were always seen as more culturally gifted than Eastern Euro Jews. Based on what I've seen, the German Jews share much stronger phenotypic similarity with the gentile population.
  26. @WowJustWow
    Bruce Willis's daughters also got a little too much gene expression from their father.

    Bruce Willis’s daughters also got a little too much gene expression from their father.

    Especially Rumer, new photos of whom graced Huffingon Post every single day a couple of years ago.

    The Willis jaw must be a very dominant trait. Actually, the jaw isn’t really all that big. It’s the fact that her nose is so small. I wonder if that’s the result of plastic surgery.

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  27. Marty [AKA "Coot Veal or Cot Deal"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Nobody’s commented on that last sentence. I conclude that istevers are extremely nice people.

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  28. Keith Vaz [AKA "Timmy"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Noah172
    But we don’t see much of the unlucky losers (unless they have a lot of talent besides looks).

    However, here’s a rare photo of Richard Pryor with his comedienne daughter Rain Pryor


    Billy Joel's daughter with Christie Brinkley looks like her father (and I suppose sings like her mother). Big genetic loser (but, hey, she's Billy Joel's daughter, so she doesn't have to worry about supporting herself or finding a man).

    She does have to worry. Status doesn’t make girls more attractive to men.

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    • Replies: @ben tillman

    She does have to worry. Status doesn’t make girls more attractive to men.
     
    Your social life, and that of your children, will be managed by your wife. Your wife's status is extremely important when it comes to marriage.
  29. @Uptown Resident
    Whenever I see tall white men with toy Asian wives I lament the waste of height, and I wonder if the man had considered how his choice of mate might impact the size and girth of any sons resulting from their union.

    The tall white men with Asian women WANT their sons to be less than them.

    It’s getting rid of any other male competition to their status.

    There’s a Male Disease going on in America that I’ve seen in white men…and it is a desire to Deny Your Children That Which You Had.

    The Uighurs in China are half-asian/half-white and they are no competition for Han Chinese or Pure Whites.

    Also, test score wise…Half-Asians score lower than Pure Whites on Verbal…Half-Asians score Lower than Asians on GPA…The goal isn’t to be ‘good at stuff’ the goal is to be Excellent At Something…

    Then you have White + Mexican or Mediterranean White and you get serious drug low IQ problems…

    Jeb Bush’s kids are far from successful. Ted Cruz just talked about his sister being a drug addict and later committing suicide….a situation similar to Jeb’s daughter.

    Interracial Marriage is the Nail in the Coffin for America…because the next generation won’t be genetically white…

    I’ll say it….

    Pure English, Pure German, Pure Scandic are the Gold Standards

    Blue eyes people. Blue eyes. If you turn your kid’s eyes brown…may you get what you deserve.

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  30. @JohnnyWalker123
    Ashkenazi Jews are a very racially mixed population. Are they a good example of hybrid vigor?

    No, they’re a good example of what happens in a culture where the top scholars traditionally get the best chicks.

    I wonder if the large corpus of movies and TV shows where the nerd gets the girl in the end isn’t deliberate cultural manipulation but just a result of Jewish Hollywood misapplying its own Jungian collective unconscious when producing stories about gentiles.

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    No, they’re a good example of what happens in a culture where the top scholars traditionally get the best chicks.
     
    Cochran disagrees; he says that they are an example of what happens when an ethny is confined to "White Collar" jobs (money-lending, estate management, tax-farming) for over one thousand years.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    The half-Euro Ashkenazim are somewhat more talented than the less racially diluted Sephardim. So that would suggest some evidence of hybrid vigor.

    I'm assuming that in both communities, scholars got the best chicks

  31. Someone on Return of Kings wrote…(paraphrased)

    While white men marry Asian/Black/Latino women from third world countries because of their ‘traditional family values’

    Jews ONLY marry out to a) Absorb Wealth b) Absorb IQ Gains c) Absorb Looks

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  32. @syonredux

    There’s another aspect which is that interracial mating tends to increase phenotype variance, so interracial celebrities (e.g., Quincey Jones’ daughter Rashida Jones)
     
    Here's Kenya Jones, the daughter that Quincy had with the very lovely Nastassja Kinski:


    http://ampersand.louandgrey.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Kenya-1400x600.jpg

    http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/470897954-model-kenya-kinski-jones-attends-opening-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QcgI0q%2F2ZPDMVJygmW25rwmBkoP2S1nhSm5D59A7fbs8M32gV83ty5b1NqvwIkM5yQ%3D%3D

    The black chick isn’t even as close as being as hot as her white mother.

    She looks hispanic and mean

    Join the line of highschool hispanic girls who look similar.

    Her face is symmetrical and her eyelash extensions are fantastic ala Kim Kardashian.

    But she is not a True Beauty worthy of Inspiring Art.

    (If you look very carefully her eyes are way too close together, hence why she is wearing eyelash extensions that are winged tip to pull the eyes farther apart)

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    • Replies: @Anon
    All true.. but it's interesting that Natasha is the child of the gross-looking Klaus.

    How did that happen?
  33. @Amigo
    Go google her images; not pretty. If anything, Steve took one of her better ones as an example.

    Right, the picture of the Pryors together is from when Richard was hale and hearty, which was a long, long time ago.

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  34. Didn’t that Willis girl wander around Brooklyn topless for a while? She had very nice breasts if I remember correctly.

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  35. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Ever notice how bloggers tend to cherry-pick artifacts of globo-capitalism AKA “meritocracy” as representative sciencey examples demonstrating some off-the-cuff evolutionary theory requiring absolutely no research than looking for the first bad photo of celebrity children in Google Images…. It’s like moneyball for the sensation of knowledge. But nobody seems to NOTICE it, due to the Anti-Noticing Holocaust ibid. At least Russia is still #1 and always will be

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    That was the most flattering picture of Rain Pryor I saw on Google Images. I chose it because it's the only one I saw with the two Pryors in it. (I presume Richard probably wasn't around that much.)
  36. @Anon
    "Rain Pryor isn’t a supermodel and her hair looks like sideshow bob, but she is a pretty girl."

    http://www.ajlmagazine.com/graphics/subpages/content/012007/rainpryor.jpg

    https://youtu.be/NKwCv6R4CFE?t=32s

    She is, I presume, a talented performer.

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    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    Considering how little she has done in the last eight years, I don't know why you would assume that.
  37. I’ve always wondered why studies haven’t been run to answer a very important and basic sort of question: how much does physical similarity between one parent (or side of family) correlate with other sorts of traits, such as IQ, personality, temperament, etc.

    Is it really plausible that, say, the facial features and head shape strongly resemble a given parent or relative, but that the internal characteristics of the brain are no more likely to resemble the same relative than any other relative with the same percentage of shared genes? Can development work in such a way that the head in general develops physically in a very specific way, but that the brain more or less develops independently?

    I find it hard to believe that it might be so, but only evidence would settle this very interesting question. And so far as I know, there is no such evidence one way or the other.

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  38. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Uptown Resident
    Whenever I see tall white men with toy Asian wives I lament the waste of height, and I wonder if the man had considered how his choice of mate might impact the size and girth of any sons resulting from their union.

    “Most men prefer to date/marry women who are shorter than them. That is why Asian women are a hot commodity in the Heterosexual dating/marriage market and most WNBA women are not.”

    I think the issue is proportionality, not simply whether or not the man is taller.

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    • Replies: @Uptown Resident
    Exactly. And proportionality also turns out to be key during childbirth. Asian women bearing the the children of white men have higher rates of Cesarean births because their pelvises can't handle the larger babies. Serves them right for marrying white men is what I say.
    , @Anonymous
    "Size and girth" is not a phrase that refers to height. It's used for an entirely different context:

    https://www.google.com/#q=%22size+and+girth%22
  39. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Robbie
    The black chick isn't even as close as being as hot as her white mother.

    She looks hispanic and mean

    Join the line of highschool hispanic girls who look similar.

    Her face is symmetrical and her eyelash extensions are fantastic ala Kim Kardashian.

    But she is not a True Beauty worthy of Inspiring Art.

    (If you look very carefully her eyes are way too close together, hence why she is wearing eyelash extensions that are winged tip to pull the eyes farther apart)

    All true.. but it’s interesting that Natasha is the child of the gross-looking Klaus.

    How did that happen?

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    Meryl Streep’s daughter is kinda fugly — like her mom. XOXOHTH

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  41. OT: The Guardian confirms that the rate at which police kill blacks is much lower than the rate at which blacks commit violent crimes.

    Blacks commit about 50% of violent crime, and 44% of murdered cops are killed by blacks, but only 28.3% of people killed by police are black.

    Of the 547 people found by the Guardian to have been killed by law enforcement so far this year, 49.7% were white, 28.3% were black and 15.5% were Hispanic/Latino. According to US census data, 62.6% of the population is white, 13.2% is black and 17.1% is Hispanic/Latino.

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/01/us-police-killings-this-year-black-americans

    The Guardian study is compiling a complete catalog of police killings, so it is not subject to the criticism that it is based on incomplete data.

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    • Replies: @FactsAreImportant
    The next step is to take out mental cases seeking "suicide by cop". That would probably raise the black rate a bit.
  42. @Jefferson
    "Whenever I see tall white men with toy Asian wives I lament the waste of height, and I wonder if the man had considered how his choice of mate might impact the size and girth of any sons resulting from their union."

    Most men prefer to date/marry women who are shorter than them. That is why Asian women are a hot commodity in the Heterosexual dating/marriage market and most WNBA women are not.

    That is true to a point. More than a head shorter and it’s too short IMO.

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  43. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Actually the most dominant Latins in baseball tend to be British… They’re always from Bermuda; Barbuda; Trans-Kokomo– places like that. It’s referred to as the 6th tool

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  44. @Anonymous
    Ever notice how bloggers tend to cherry-pick artifacts of globo-capitalism AKA "meritocracy" as representative sciencey examples demonstrating some off-the-cuff evolutionary theory requiring absolutely no research than looking for the first bad photo of celebrity children in Google Images.... It's like moneyball for the sensation of knowledge. But nobody seems to NOTICE it, due to the Anti-Noticing Holocaust ibid. At least Russia is still #1 and always will be

    That was the most flattering picture of Rain Pryor I saw on Google Images. I chose it because it’s the only one I saw with the two Pryors in it. (I presume Richard probably wasn’t around that much.)

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  45. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Merkel has one thing in common with Hitler.

    Both have failed in stopping the invasion and the destruction of Germany.

    —-

    The lesson Germans need to take from WWII is that Germany should NOT invade other nations. Likewise, Germans should not be invaded by non-Germans.

    But Germany learned the wrong lesson. They are allowing Germany to be invaded by other nations. And demographic invasion is the most dangerous kind.

    Hitler’s Germany would not have been invaded if Hitler didn’t invade other nations.

    As democratic Germany since the end of WWII didn’t invade other nations, there is NO reason for any people to invade Germany.

    But we keep hearing that Germany must ‘atone’ for its ‘historical sins’ by being invaded.

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  46. Mixed race relationships give us mulatto messiah hopeychangers like Baraq Obama.

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  47. @FactsAreImportant
    OT: The Guardian confirms that the rate at which police kill blacks is much lower than the rate at which blacks commit violent crimes.

    Blacks commit about 50% of violent crime, and 44% of murdered cops are killed by blacks, but only 28.3% of people killed by police are black.

    Of the 547 people found by the Guardian to have been killed by law enforcement so far this year, 49.7% were white, 28.3% were black and 15.5% were Hispanic/Latino. According to US census data, 62.6% of the population is white, 13.2% is black and 17.1% is Hispanic/Latino.
     
    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/01/us-police-killings-this-year-black-americans

    The Guardian study is compiling a complete catalog of police killings, so it is not subject to the criticism that it is based on incomplete data.

    The next step is to take out mental cases seeking “suicide by cop”. That would probably raise the black rate a bit.

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  48. It’s probably worth mentioning that the hybrid vigor effect on g seems to be real at least across the Asian and European races. According to Jensen in his book on g, such couplings produce an effect of .25-.3 SD, which isn’t trivial.

    It might be smaller or larger between pure SubSaharan Africans and Europeans. Of course if Subsaharans have g of 1 SD less as a population to start with, the hybrid vigor would just push up the average above the half way point between the two — but that would be only about .25 below the European.

    Maybe Obama is such a case.

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  49. @WowJustWow
    No, they're a good example of what happens in a culture where the top scholars traditionally get the best chicks.

    I wonder if the large corpus of movies and TV shows where the nerd gets the girl in the end isn't deliberate cultural manipulation but just a result of Jewish Hollywood misapplying its own Jungian collective unconscious when producing stories about gentiles.

    No, they’re a good example of what happens in a culture where the top scholars traditionally get the best chicks.

    Cochran disagrees; he says that they are an example of what happens when an ethny is confined to “White Collar” jobs (money-lending, estate management, tax-farming) for over one thousand years.

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    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Cochran disagrees; he says that they are an example of what happens when an ethny is confined to “White Collar” jobs (money-lending, estate management, tax-farming) for over one thousand years.

     

    What type of niche were the Sephardim confined to?
    , @WowJustWow
    I'm aware that they filled a niche left open by Christianity's anti-usury stance. But weren't there plenty of other things they could do too? Why would they be confined to money-oriented professions in general?
  50. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Jefferson
    "Whenever I see tall white men with toy Asian wives I lament the waste of height, and I wonder if the man had considered how his choice of mate might impact the size and girth of any sons resulting from their union."

    Most men prefer to date/marry women who are shorter than them. That is why Asian women are a hot commodity in the Heterosexual dating/marriage market and most WNBA women are not.

    There may be a tradeoff as tallness is an advantage for men but can be a handicap for women. Though maybe this isn’t about height. Maybe “size and girth of any sons” is referring to penis size?

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  51. @Jefferson
    "Whenever I see tall white men with toy Asian wives I lament the waste of height, and I wonder if the man had considered how his choice of mate might impact the size and girth of any sons resulting from their union."

    Most men prefer to date/marry women who are shorter than them. That is why Asian women are a hot commodity in the Heterosexual dating/marriage market and most WNBA women are not.

    Right, Asian women are necessary because there are so few proportionately shorter white women for tall white men to marry.

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  52. @Anonymous
    "Most men prefer to date/marry women who are shorter than them. That is why Asian women are a hot commodity in the Heterosexual dating/marriage market and most WNBA women are not."

    I think the issue is proportionality, not simply whether or not the man is taller.

    Exactly. And proportionality also turns out to be key during childbirth. Asian women bearing the the children of white men have higher rates of Cesarean births because their pelvises can’t handle the larger babies. Serves them right for marrying white men is what I say.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Depends on which Asian women. The study on C-sections that's frequently cited included East Asians, Southeast Asians, South Asians such as Indians, and Pacific Islanders under the Asian group. East Asian babies tend to have larger cranium size at birth than European babies. I imagine the hybrids have intermediate cranium size and consequently may be easier births for East Asian mothers.
    , @Anonymous
    Actually, in general Mongoloid groups such as Orientals and Eskimo groups have wider pelvises than Caucasians.
  53. @Noah172
    But we don’t see much of the unlucky losers (unless they have a lot of talent besides looks).

    However, here’s a rare photo of Richard Pryor with his comedienne daughter Rain Pryor


    Billy Joel's daughter with Christie Brinkley looks like her father (and I suppose sings like her mother). Big genetic loser (but, hey, she's Billy Joel's daughter, so she doesn't have to worry about supporting herself or finding a man).

    “Billy Joel’s daughter with Christie Brinkley looks like her father (and I suppose sings like her mother). Big genetic loser (but, hey, she’s Billy Joel’s daughter, so she doesn’t have to worry about supporting herself or finding a man).”

    I just Googled her, and she basically looks like a younger Christie Brinkley, with darker coloured hair. Not everyone finds Nordic-looking women to be our innate aesthetic superiors. I mean, its a popular choice, to be sure, but to suggest Brinkley’s daughter is a “big genetic loser,” based on little more than her having nearly-black hair, seems a tad ridiculous. I find her much more appealing than her mother. And yet, nearly all her individually identifiable facial features, clearly come her mother’s side of the family.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "I just Googled her, and she basically looks like a younger Christie Brinkley, with darker coloured hair. Not everyone finds Nordic-looking women to be our innate aesthetic superiors. I mean, its a popular choice, to be sure, but to suggest Brinkley’s daughter is a “big genetic loser,” based on little more than her having nearly-black hair, seems a tad ridiculous. I find her much more appealing than her mother. And yet, nearly all her individually identifiable facial features, clearly come her mother’s side of the family."

    What I find to be an exotic combo are women who have Non Nordic hair but have Nordic colored eyes, I speaking of course about brunettes with light eyes like Jennifer Connelly, Claire Forlani, Alexandra Daddario, Rena Sofer, etc.
    , @Robbie
    Christie's Brinkley's daughter had a VERY good nose job.

    Before the nose job...Yes She was The Genetic Loser

    Bigtime...and that's not getting into the emotional issues and how she tried to commit suicide over a blonde guy rejecting her (a nasty skinny blonde guy too)
    , @tomv
    I disagree. From these pictures (the natural ones, not photo shoots), she distinctly takes more after her father.
    , @V Vega

    I just Googled her, and she basically looks like a younger Christie Brinkley, with darker coloured hair. Not everyone finds Nordic-looking women to be our innate aesthetic superiors. I mean, its a popular choice, to be sure, but to suggest Brinkley’s daughter is a “big genetic loser,” based on little more than her having nearly-black hair, seems a tad ridiculous. I find her much more appealing than her mother. And yet, nearly all her individually identifiable facial features, clearly come her mother’s side of the family.
     
    You are... delusional.
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    Actually, a dentist once told me that interracial marriage has produced much more need for orthodontics in recent decades. Different races have different jaw structures, and mixing them can result in mismatched upper and lower jaws. Teeth don’t line up properly, and so you end up needing braces to correct the defect.

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    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Speaking of which, the late Philippe Rushton made mention in one of his lectures about the connection between wider/smaller jaws with bigger brain sizes and IQ. Was really quite informative.

    Dr. Rushton truly left us all too soon. Shame.
    , @Curle
    I keep wondering about autism and inter-racial marriage but my basis is purely anecdotal. I seem to have come across an above average number of acquaintances with some inter-racial characteristics (themselves or their parents) who produced a higher than average cohort of autistic children.
  55. @Robbie
    Someone on Return of Kings wrote...(paraphrased)

    While white men marry Asian/Black/Latino women from third world countries because of their 'traditional family values'

    Jews ONLY marry out to a) Absorb Wealth b) Absorb IQ Gains c) Absorb Looks

    I’m gonna go with ‘a’ for Marc Mezvinsky.

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  56. @Jefferson
    "rashida-jones-sister-kidada-agrees-she-passed-for-white-but-did-the-mean-girls-at-harvard-scare-her-away-from-dating-black-men-forever/ >http://bossip.com/623483/rashida-jones-sister-kidada-agrees-she-passed-for-white-but-did-the-mean-girls-at-harvard-scare-her-away-from-dating-black-men-forever/"

    Rashida Jones has dated more White men than all of the Kardashian sisters combined.

    Rashida Jones has dated more White men than all of the Kardashian sisters combined.

    I tend to think that Rashida’s White guy dating history has a lot to do with her Caucasoid phenotype:

    RASHIDA: But it was different with our grandparents. Our dad’s father died before we were born. We didn’t see our dad’s mother often. I felt comfortable with Mommy’s parents, who’d come to love my dad like a son. Kidada wasn’t so comfortable with them. I felt Jewish; Kidada didn’t.

    As for the Kardashians, it would be interesting to see when, say, Kim developed her Black fixation

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    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Most likely around the time when OJ formally "adopted" her to be his godfather. In layman's terms, that would correspond to be around October 1995.
  57. @WowJustWow
    No, they're a good example of what happens in a culture where the top scholars traditionally get the best chicks.

    I wonder if the large corpus of movies and TV shows where the nerd gets the girl in the end isn't deliberate cultural manipulation but just a result of Jewish Hollywood misapplying its own Jungian collective unconscious when producing stories about gentiles.

    The half-Euro Ashkenazim are somewhat more talented than the less racially diluted Sephardim. So that would suggest some evidence of hybrid vigor.

    I’m assuming that in both communities, scholars got the best chicks

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    • Replies: @Anonym
    If you and me are fleeing a bear, I don't have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you. Similarly, the Sephardim don't have to be brighter than Ashkenazim or Europeans, they just have to be brighter than the surrounding population.
    , @Anonymous
    The descendants of Iberian Jews also have southern European admixture. That's not so surprising since the admixture is thought to have entered the Jewish population during the Hellenistic and Roman eras before the split between Ashkenazi and Sephardim occurred. Middle Eastern "Sephardim" (also called Mizrahim) don't have much European admixture.
  58. @syonredux

    No, they’re a good example of what happens in a culture where the top scholars traditionally get the best chicks.
     
    Cochran disagrees; he says that they are an example of what happens when an ethny is confined to "White Collar" jobs (money-lending, estate management, tax-farming) for over one thousand years.

    Cochran disagrees; he says that they are an example of what happens when an ethny is confined to “White Collar” jobs (money-lending, estate management, tax-farming) for over one thousand years.

    What type of niche were the Sephardim confined to?

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    What type of niche were the Sephardim confined to?
     
    I think that it was roughly similar to the Ashkenazi White Collar niche, except not quite as highly concentrated.
    , @syonredux
    Here's Cochran discussing the IQ gap between Ashkenazi and West Asian-North African Jews

    As for the bit about prominent Talmudic scholars automatically acquiring a wealthy man’s daughter as wife, I’d be more inclined to take it seriously if someone would give me at least one example of this happening – better yet, some indication that it happened very often. The histories I read don’t mention it. At all. Moreover, if you bother to make a quantitative model, as you must if you are at all serious, it is easy to see that it is very difficult for a selective effect acting on a tiny fraction of the population to have much impact. Trust me on this.

    None of the non-Ashkenazi Jewish populations have exceptionally high average IQs today. Interestingly, Ashkenazi Jews in Israel generally seem to have thought that those other Jews (who mainly arrived in Israel after being expelled by Arab governments after 1948) were environmentally disadvantaged and would soon catch up, certainly by the second generation. But they didn’t. Many people expect this in other analogous situations and they are disappointed too. And surprised. Every time !

    Charles Murray argued for a mechanism selecting for high IQs among Jews that goes way back in time, well before the split between the Ashkenazim, Sephardim, Mizarhim, etc. This phenomenon – a generally high IQs among all Jews – does not even exist (Near and Middle Eastern Jews have scores well under 100) , so I am at a loss to understand why he said it. Maybe he was trying to prove his courage and independence of mind by publishing such a thesis in Commentary.
     

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2011/12/28/rischs-conjecture/
    , @syonredux

    What type of niche were the Sephardim confined to?
     
    Cochran has weighed in:

    Mostly small artisans and craftsmen.
     
    So, not agriculturalists/herdsmen (like the bulk of the Muslim population in West Asia-North Africa) but also not concentrated (like the Ashkenazi) in estate management, money-lending, tax-farming, etc,
  59. Mexicans inherited all of the weaknesses of being a Mongoloid/Caucasoid mix and none of the strengths. Most Mexicans did not get the high IQ of 1st world Western Whites and Northeast Asians. They instead inherited an IQ that is similar to that of Muslim Caucasoids like Syrians and Southeast Asians like Indonesians.

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    Mexicans inherited all of the weaknesses of being a Mongoloid/Caucasoid mix and none of the strengths.
     
    Amerind and Caucasoid mix.
    , @Twinkie

    Mexicans inherited all of the weaknesses of being a Mongoloid/Caucasoid mix and none of the strengths.
     
    Amerinds are not Mongoloids: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/11/131120-science-native-american-people-migration-siberia-genetics/

    DNA from the remains revealed genes found today in western Eurasians in the Middle East and Europe, as well as other aspects unique to Native Americans, but no evidence of any relation to modern East Asians.
     
  60. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anonymous
    "Most men prefer to date/marry women who are shorter than them. That is why Asian women are a hot commodity in the Heterosexual dating/marriage market and most WNBA women are not."

    I think the issue is proportionality, not simply whether or not the man is taller.

    “Size and girth” is not a phrase that refers to height. It’s used for an entirely different context:

    https://www.google.com/#q=%22size+and+girth%22

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  61. Black/white hybrid vigor is real at the extremes. Lewis Hamilton is half-white and half-black and is the best racing driver in the world. He is unbelievably good. There are other halfies in the middling ranks who do well. However, to my knowledge, there are no good pure black drivers. Black people have a lot of great talents from musicality to improvisation, when you match those to some of the finer traits found in whites, the results can be spectacular.

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    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Uh, couldn't American Blacks just mate with, say, African Blacks (e.g. Nigerians, Ghanians, etc) to produce the same effects?

    I mean, you're not really saying that the US should bet the farm so to speak that in the future, the Russell Wilsons and Stephen Curries of the world will lead us all into amazing IQ levels, better innovative results in STEM fields, medicine, etc?

    No, didn't think that's what you were getting at.
    , @Rodolfo
    Hamilton isn't " the best racing driver in the world". Sébastien Loeb was muchhhhhhhh more dominant in rally. Even in F1, many consider Alonso a better driver. There is no pure blacks in racing, because racing is an expensive sport. The formation of the pilot depends on how parents can spend until they get corporate sponsorship. Look man, I am Brazilian, a country of mestizos. And even here, the drivers are whites from wealthy families.
  62. @JohnnyWalker123

    Cochran disagrees; he says that they are an example of what happens when an ethny is confined to “White Collar” jobs (money-lending, estate management, tax-farming) for over one thousand years.

     

    What type of niche were the Sephardim confined to?

    What type of niche were the Sephardim confined to?

    I think that it was roughly similar to the Ashkenazi White Collar niche, except not quite as highly concentrated.

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  63. I don’t know Steve. If you asked me to name the three biggest interracial celebrities that I could, off the top of my head, I would say: Derek Jeter, Tiger Woods, Barack Obama. They all have considerable talent aside from their looks, and, no homo, they aren’t particularly ugly.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "I don’t know Steve. If you asked me to name the three biggest interracial celebrities that I could, off the top of my head, I would say: Derek Jeter, Tiger Woods, Barack Obama. They all have considerable talent aside from their looks, and, no homo, they aren’t particularly ugly."

    I have seen a lot of women refer to Tiger Woods as being ugly, both in real life and on internet discussion boards.

    The reason he has a lot of female mistresses is because he is the most famous golf player in the world with a net worth of about $600 million dollars, not because he is in the same league as Denzel Washington in the looks department.

    Having lots of money and fame means non handsome men like Larry The Cable Guy and Howard Stern can punch above their weight in the dating market.
    , @Father O'Hara
    Derek Jeter is funny looking.
    , @Former Darfur
    If they were ugly would they be celebrities? At least in the case of a politician, real ugliness could definitely be a career killer, especially in the modern age. Since the youthful Kennedy beat old basset-hound Dick Nixon, looks matter a lot.
  64. @JohnnyWalker123

    Cochran disagrees; he says that they are an example of what happens when an ethny is confined to “White Collar” jobs (money-lending, estate management, tax-farming) for over one thousand years.

     

    What type of niche were the Sephardim confined to?

    Here’s Cochran discussing the IQ gap between Ashkenazi and West Asian-North African Jews

    As for the bit about prominent Talmudic scholars automatically acquiring a wealthy man’s daughter as wife, I’d be more inclined to take it seriously if someone would give me at least one example of this happening – better yet, some indication that it happened very often. The histories I read don’t mention it. At all. Moreover, if you bother to make a quantitative model, as you must if you are at all serious, it is easy to see that it is very difficult for a selective effect acting on a tiny fraction of the population to have much impact. Trust me on this.

    None of the non-Ashkenazi Jewish populations have exceptionally high average IQs today. Interestingly, Ashkenazi Jews in Israel generally seem to have thought that those other Jews (who mainly arrived in Israel after being expelled by Arab governments after 1948) were environmentally disadvantaged and would soon catch up, certainly by the second generation. But they didn’t. Many people expect this in other analogous situations and they are disappointed too. And surprised. Every time !

    Charles Murray argued for a mechanism selecting for high IQs among Jews that goes way back in time, well before the split between the Ashkenazim, Sephardim, Mizarhim, etc. This phenomenon – a generally high IQs among all Jews – does not even exist (Near and Middle Eastern Jews have scores well under 100) , so I am at a loss to understand why he said it. Maybe he was trying to prove his courage and independence of mind by publishing such a thesis in Commentary.

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2011/12/28/rischs-conjecture/

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    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Being more highly concentrated in a financier niche may have raised their overall IQ, but don't Jews also have substantial talents in areas like art and literature? Would being in that niche have produced that type of population?

    Or can we assume that having a generally high IQ means that Jews can do well in any g-correlated field, but that Jews have no selective advantage on top of what IQ would've provided?
  65. @Massimo Heitor

    But we don’t see much of the unlucky losers (unless they have a lot of talent besides looks).

    However, here’s a rare photo of Richard Pryor with his comedienne daughter Rain Pryor.
     
    Rain Pryor isn't a supermodel and her hair looks like sideshow bob, but she is a pretty girl. This hot-or-not comment seems somewhat childish for Sailer

    Yeah, was about to say, Rain Pryor? Hot? Thanks, haven’t had a good laugh in about a week.

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    • Replies: @Rob McX
    It's the other way round - Steve gave her as an example of a mixed-race child turning out unattractive.
  66. @Massimo Heitor

    But we don’t see much of the unlucky losers (unless they have a lot of talent besides looks).

    However, here’s a rare photo of Richard Pryor with his comedienne daughter Rain Pryor.
     
    Rain Pryor isn't a supermodel and her hair looks like sideshow bob, but she is a pretty girl. This hot-or-not comment seems somewhat childish for Sailer

    “Rain Pryor…is a pretty girl.”

    She most assuredly is not!

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  67. @Jeff
    Black/white hybrid vigor is real at the extremes. Lewis Hamilton is half-white and half-black and is the best racing driver in the world. He is unbelievably good. There are other halfies in the middling ranks who do well. However, to my knowledge, there are no good pure black drivers. Black people have a lot of great talents from musicality to improvisation, when you match those to some of the finer traits found in whites, the results can be spectacular.

    Uh, couldn’t American Blacks just mate with, say, African Blacks (e.g. Nigerians, Ghanians, etc) to produce the same effects?

    I mean, you’re not really saying that the US should bet the farm so to speak that in the future, the Russell Wilsons and Stephen Curries of the world will lead us all into amazing IQ levels, better innovative results in STEM fields, medicine, etc?

    No, didn’t think that’s what you were getting at.

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  68. @syonredux

    Rashida Jones has dated more White men than all of the Kardashian sisters combined.
     
    I tend to think that Rashida's White guy dating history has a lot to do with her Caucasoid phenotype:

    RASHIDA: But it was different with our grandparents. Our dad’s father died before we were born. We didn’t see our dad’s mother often. I felt comfortable with Mommy’s parents, who’d come to love my dad like a son. Kidada wasn’t so comfortable with them. I felt Jewish; Kidada didn’t.

     

    As for the Kardashians, it would be interesting to see when, say, Kim developed her Black fixation

    Most likely around the time when OJ formally “adopted” her to be his godfather. In layman’s terms, that would correspond to be around October 1995.

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  69. @Anonymous
    Actually, a dentist once told me that interracial marriage has produced much more need for orthodontics in recent decades. Different races have different jaw structures, and mixing them can result in mismatched upper and lower jaws. Teeth don't line up properly, and so you end up needing braces to correct the defect.

    Speaking of which, the late Philippe Rushton made mention in one of his lectures about the connection between wider/smaller jaws with bigger brain sizes and IQ. Was really quite informative.

    Dr. Rushton truly left us all too soon. Shame.

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  70. @JohnnyWalker123
    The half-Euro Ashkenazim are somewhat more talented than the less racially diluted Sephardim. So that would suggest some evidence of hybrid vigor.

    I'm assuming that in both communities, scholars got the best chicks

    If you and me are fleeing a bear, I don’t have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you. Similarly, the Sephardim don’t have to be brighter than Ashkenazim or Europeans, they just have to be brighter than the surrounding population.

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    So you're saying that lesser-IQ Sephardim weren't selected against as severely as lesser-IQ Ashkenazim?
  71. Damn, I genuinely feel bad for Rain. She looks like a living remnant of some archaic human lineage that never made it…

    However, truth be told, most interracial people *do* end up looking pretty good. One the most beautiful women I’ve ever met was 1/2 Dutch, 1/2 Black Caribbean. And of course exhibit B: Brazil.

    It’s also interesting when an interracial child looks *entirely* like the race of one parent. I knew someone in high school who’s father was Black and mother was Vietnamese. I never for a second thought he was anything but fully Asian. When I found out his dad was black, my first reaction was “yeah, right…” but upon further thought I saw glimpses; the facial structure, the overly muscular build…

    Offspring between a Scottish Terrier and a Westie will produce lots of gray puppies, but some will be all black and some all white. Genetics and stats are cool that way.

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    • Replies: @Rodolfo
    False. Mixed white/black tend to be ugly . South American women dress better and are more feminine than the US woman. But without makeup they are much more ugly . They tend to have the bone structure of blacks with a lighter skin . The most beautiful brazilians are italo- germanic woman of Rio Grande do Sul , every Brazilian knows that.
  72. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "Billy Joel’s daughter with Christie Brinkley looks like her father (and I suppose sings like her mother). Big genetic loser (but, hey, she’s Billy Joel’s daughter, so she doesn’t have to worry about supporting herself or finding a man)."

    I just Googled her, and she basically looks like a younger Christie Brinkley, with darker coloured hair. Not everyone finds Nordic-looking women to be our innate aesthetic superiors. I mean, its a popular choice, to be sure, but to suggest Brinkley's daughter is a "big genetic loser," based on little more than her having nearly-black hair, seems a tad ridiculous. I find her much more appealing than her mother. And yet, nearly all her individually identifiable facial features, clearly come her mother's side of the family.

    “I just Googled her, and she basically looks like a younger Christie Brinkley, with darker coloured hair. Not everyone finds Nordic-looking women to be our innate aesthetic superiors. I mean, its a popular choice, to be sure, but to suggest Brinkley’s daughter is a “big genetic loser,” based on little more than her having nearly-black hair, seems a tad ridiculous. I find her much more appealing than her mother. And yet, nearly all her individually identifiable facial features, clearly come her mother’s side of the family.”

    What I find to be an exotic combo are women who have Non Nordic hair but have Nordic colored eyes, I speaking of course about brunettes with light eyes like Jennifer Connelly, Claire Forlani, Alexandra Daddario, Rena Sofer, etc.

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  73. @Anonym
    If you and me are fleeing a bear, I don't have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you. Similarly, the Sephardim don't have to be brighter than Ashkenazim or Europeans, they just have to be brighter than the surrounding population.

    So you’re saying that lesser-IQ Sephardim weren’t selected against as severely as lesser-IQ Ashkenazim?

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    • Replies: @Anonym
    That's my thesis. Not original either... someone else said much the same in comments earlier... but I forget who it was.
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    @Uptown Resident
    Exactly. And proportionality also turns out to be key during childbirth. Asian women bearing the the children of white men have higher rates of Cesarean births because their pelvises can't handle the larger babies. Serves them right for marrying white men is what I say.

    Depends on which Asian women. The study on C-sections that’s frequently cited included East Asians, Southeast Asians, South Asians such as Indians, and Pacific Islanders under the Asian group. East Asian babies tend to have larger cranium size at birth than European babies. I imagine the hybrids have intermediate cranium size and consequently may be easier births for East Asian mothers.

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    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Depends on which Asian women. The study on C-sections that’s frequently cited included East Asians, Southeast Asians, South Asians such as Indians, and Pacific Islanders under the Asian group. East Asian babies tend to have larger cranium size at birth than European babies. I imagine the hybrids have intermediate cranium size and consequently may be easier births for East Asian mothers.
     
    Yes, indeed. People are very confused (or ignorant) about the relationship between baby cranium size differences and pelvic widths of mothers by race. Most people assume that because black women have a lot of fat on their hips that they have the widest pelvis. That just ain't so.
  75. @syonredux

    Ashkenazi Jews are a very racially mixed population.
     
    I'm not sure that I would characterize them as "very racially mixed":

    I’m looking at abstracts on Ashkenazi genetics from ASHG 2013 and SMBE 2014 – by the same group, with Shai Carmi as the lead author. They did 128 whole genomes, 50x deep.

    They concluded Ashkenazi Jews were about 50% Middle Eastern and 50% European. In the 2013 abstract, they were pretty specific: they estimated the European ancestry fraction at 55% , plus or minus 2%. ( In our book, we had a crude estimate of about 40% European ancestry.) They estimated the split between Europeans and Middle Easterners at about 9000 BC: which sounds about the right date for the entry of the Sardinian-like farmers. From other data (mtDNA) , and from the fact that you see almost zero WHG or ANE in Ashkenazi autosomal genes, one can conclude that the European admixture was mostly Italian, with some southern French. Very little German or Slavic – by that time serious endogamy had set in..
     
    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2014/06/24/ashkenazi-ancestry/


    Middle Eastern plus Italian/Southern European, those are two fairly closely related populations.It's not like Mexico, which is a compound of Amerind and Iberian.

    Are they a good example of hybrid vigor?
     
    Seeing as how the mixture occurred over one thousand years ago, I would say no.

    German Jews were always seen as more culturally gifted than Eastern Euro Jews. Based on what I’ve seen, the German Jews share much stronger phenotypic similarity with the gentile population.

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    I beg to differ.

    In the USA, today "them Ashkenazis" are from the Eastern European immigration.

    The German Jews have mostly faded away.
  76. @JohnnyWalker123
    Ashkenazi Jews are a very racially mixed population. Are they a good example of hybrid vigor?

    Ashkenazi Jews are not “very racially mixed.” And it’s still up in the air how much European mixture they have — could be anywhere from ~0 to ~3/4ths. We won’t know for sure until a good amount of ancient DNA is sampled from the Levant (looking more likely to be technically feasible now).

    On topic: the proposed formative Ashkenazi population would have been a mix of Palestinian-types with Italian-types. Something like Rula Jebreal — another nice example of a fine looking hybrid. ;-)

    https://www.google.com/search?q=rula+jebreal&safe=off&es_sm=91&biw=1527&bih=832&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=foyUVcyyFNTaoATHhZXYBQ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    Ashkenazi Jews are not “very racially mixed.” And it’s still up in the air how much European mixture they have — could be anywhere from ~0 to ~3/4ths. We won’t know for sure until a good amount of ancient DNA is sampled from the Levant
     
    We've got studies right now that say that the Ashkenazim are basically a 50/50 split between European and Middle Eastern:

    I’m looking at abstracts on Ashkenazi genetics from ASHG 2013 and SMBE 2014 – by the same group, with Shai Carmi as the lead author. They did 128 whole genomes, 50x deep.

    They concluded Ashkenazi Jews were about 50% Middle Eastern and 50% European. In the 2013 abstract, they were pretty specific: they estimated the European ancestry fraction at 55% , plus or minus 2%. ( In our book, we had a crude estimate of about 40% European ancestry.) They estimated the split between Europeans and Middle Easterners at about 9000 BC: which sounds about the right date for the entry of the Sardinian-like farmers. From other data (mtDNA) , and from the fact that you see almost zero WHG or ANE in Ashkenazi autosomal genes, one can conclude that the European admixture was mostly Italian, with some southern French. Very little German or Slavic – by that time serious endogamy had set in..
     
    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2014/06/24/ashkenazi-ancestry/
  77. It’s funny, my cattle rancher relatives love to talk about “hybrid vigor” A certain amount of inbreeding is common in cattle. In a heard of under 50, a single bull may be tasked with impregnating all the willing heifers. The father bull and any resulting baby bulls are sold and a new bull will be bought. Mixing things up keeps them healthy. Brothers and sister cows get it on if you don’t stop them. (The results aren’t quite as disastrous as in humans) An interesting side effect, the mother cows vaginas are sometimes too tight to squeeze the heads of the next generation babies out. Rancher assistance is required.

    Humans aren’t generally mating with close relatives though. I suspect the results are a selection effect where somebody had to be damn sexy before you want to jump over racial lines.

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  78. @syonredux
    Here's Cochran discussing the IQ gap between Ashkenazi and West Asian-North African Jews

    As for the bit about prominent Talmudic scholars automatically acquiring a wealthy man’s daughter as wife, I’d be more inclined to take it seriously if someone would give me at least one example of this happening – better yet, some indication that it happened very often. The histories I read don’t mention it. At all. Moreover, if you bother to make a quantitative model, as you must if you are at all serious, it is easy to see that it is very difficult for a selective effect acting on a tiny fraction of the population to have much impact. Trust me on this.

    None of the non-Ashkenazi Jewish populations have exceptionally high average IQs today. Interestingly, Ashkenazi Jews in Israel generally seem to have thought that those other Jews (who mainly arrived in Israel after being expelled by Arab governments after 1948) were environmentally disadvantaged and would soon catch up, certainly by the second generation. But they didn’t. Many people expect this in other analogous situations and they are disappointed too. And surprised. Every time !

    Charles Murray argued for a mechanism selecting for high IQs among Jews that goes way back in time, well before the split between the Ashkenazim, Sephardim, Mizarhim, etc. This phenomenon – a generally high IQs among all Jews – does not even exist (Near and Middle Eastern Jews have scores well under 100) , so I am at a loss to understand why he said it. Maybe he was trying to prove his courage and independence of mind by publishing such a thesis in Commentary.
     

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2011/12/28/rischs-conjecture/

    Being more highly concentrated in a financier niche may have raised their overall IQ, but don’t Jews also have substantial talents in areas like art and literature? Would being in that niche have produced that type of population?

    Or can we assume that having a generally high IQ means that Jews can do well in any g-correlated field, but that Jews have no selective advantage on top of what IQ would’ve provided?

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    • Replies: @Doug
    > Or can we assume that having a generally high IQ means that Jews can do well in any g-correlated field, but that Jews have no selective advantage on top of what IQ would’ve provided?

    Ashkenazi Jews have higher achievement levels than East Asians despite about equal IQs. For example Israel, despite only being partially Ashkenazi, has now passed Japan in GDP per capita.
    , @syonredux

    Being more highly concentrated in a financier niche may have raised their overall IQ, but don’t Jews also have substantial talents in areas like art and literature?
     
    Literature, sure: Bellow, Roth, Kafka, etc

    Art is a bit iffier.Jewish prohibitions on images prevented strong traditions in sculpture or painting from emerging.Offhand, I can't think of too many highly regarded Jewish painters.Modigliani, a few others, maybe

    Would being in that niche have produced that type of population?

    Or can we assume that having a generally high IQ means that Jews can do well in any g-correlated field, but that Jews have no selective advantage on top of what IQ would’ve provided?
     
    I think that you're pretty safe in saying that high IQ is necessary for high achievement in art in literature.


    As for why some groups excel in some areas but not others, that's more difficult.Take the Angl0s, for example.Outstanding accomplishments in film, literature, physics, technology, astronomy, biology, etc.However, their accomplishments in music and painting are pretty meager when compared to what the Germans, Italians, and Dutch have done.
    , @candid_observer
    I do have a strong suspicion that there is a large repository of critical cognitive abilities that are effectively "dark matter", because we have no good way of measuring them.

    Just as an example, many of the best writers of comedy were not spectacular students, and seemed to have relatively little aptitude for hard cognitive work compared to, say, standard issue Ivy League students. Conversely, not many brilliant scientists and mathematicians -- or even writers of other kinds of material -- seem capable of the wit of the great writers of comedy.

    Obviously, we can see differences at the ultimate output level from these different sorts of people, but we have no way of testing for these abilities independently, or predicting them in people. Nobody knows how these abilities match up with g, or how much independent of it they are.

    Jews got a good helping of g, and of some of these other abilities as a population, but different individuals among them excel in different dimensions.

    My guess is that there are some abilities they did not get in any abundance, though; they may even be worse than most on some of them.

  79. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "Billy Joel’s daughter with Christie Brinkley looks like her father (and I suppose sings like her mother). Big genetic loser (but, hey, she’s Billy Joel’s daughter, so she doesn’t have to worry about supporting herself or finding a man)."

    I just Googled her, and she basically looks like a younger Christie Brinkley, with darker coloured hair. Not everyone finds Nordic-looking women to be our innate aesthetic superiors. I mean, its a popular choice, to be sure, but to suggest Brinkley's daughter is a "big genetic loser," based on little more than her having nearly-black hair, seems a tad ridiculous. I find her much more appealing than her mother. And yet, nearly all her individually identifiable facial features, clearly come her mother's side of the family.

    Christie’s Brinkley’s daughter had a VERY good nose job.

    Before the nose job…Yes She was The Genetic Loser

    Bigtime…and that’s not getting into the emotional issues and how she tried to commit suicide over a blonde guy rejecting her (a nasty skinny blonde guy too)

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  80. Interracial children are Not On Average Better Looking Than Monoracial Children

    If there parents are hot…the kids are hot…if the parents aren’t hot…the kids aren’t hot

    I think it’s a downgrade…A hapa chick I know…both parents are hot…she’s hot…but Insanely Bow Legged despite have white legs…bow legged white people legs…weird

    If you want your children to be hot, have a lot of of them…Look at the Duggars…Jessa came out all symmetrical and hot…

    Hotness is about Facial Symmetry…Not much else…and facial symmetry is a genetic crap shoot

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  81. @Taco
    I don't know Steve. If you asked me to name the three biggest interracial celebrities that I could, off the top of my head, I would say: Derek Jeter, Tiger Woods, Barack Obama. They all have considerable talent aside from their looks, and, no homo, they aren't particularly ugly.

    “I don’t know Steve. If you asked me to name the three biggest interracial celebrities that I could, off the top of my head, I would say: Derek Jeter, Tiger Woods, Barack Obama. They all have considerable talent aside from their looks, and, no homo, they aren’t particularly ugly.”

    I have seen a lot of women refer to Tiger Woods as being ugly, both in real life and on internet discussion boards.

    The reason he has a lot of female mistresses is because he is the most famous golf player in the world with a net worth of about $600 million dollars, not because he is in the same league as Denzel Washington in the looks department.

    Having lots of money and fame means non handsome men like Larry The Cable Guy and Howard Stern can punch above their weight in the dating market.

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    Having lots of money and fame means non handsome men like Larry The Cable Guy and Howard Stern can punch above their weight in the dating market.
     
    Larry the Cable Guy and Howard Stern are objectively unattractive. Tiger Woods is not. Would he have hundreds (thousands?) of mistresses if he wasn't an elite athlete and a near-billionaire? No, almost certainly not. But do you really look at Tiger woods and think, "That guy fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down"?
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Having lots of money and fame means non handsome men like Larry The Cable Guy and Howard Stern can punch above their weight in the dating market.

     

    For what it's worth, Larry is a Whitney. That can't hurt, either.
  82. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Isn’t it ‘heightist’ to say being taller is better than being short?

    Time for Dwarfs and midgets to have Tiny Pride Parade.

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  83. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    However, truth be told, most interracial people *do* end up looking pretty good.

    A manifest falsehood.

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  84. @syonredux

    What type of niche were the Sephardim confined to?
     
    I think that it was roughly similar to the Ashkenazi White Collar niche, except not quite as highly concentrated.

    Mostly small artisans and craftsmen.

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    Mostly small artisans and craftsmen.
     
    Thanks.I knew that weren't primarily farmers, but I couldn't quite recall how their profile differed from the Ashkenazim.
  85. Meet the Cherokee Native American version of Rachel Dolezal.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/30/meet-the-native-american-rachel-dolezal.html

    Before I clicked on the article, I thought it was going to be about Elizabeth Warren. Anyways this story is getting extremely little coverage compared to the media hoopla Rachel Dolezal received because in the U.S it is way more common for White people to claim Native American ancestry than it is for White people to claim Sub Saharan African ancestry. America has become so numb to White people claiming to be Amerindians, we have become used to it by now that the shock factor is not there like it is with Rachel Dolezal.

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    ...in the U.S it is way more common for White people to claim Native American ancestry than it is for White people to claim Sub Saharan African ancestry.

    No doubt in some cases they were claiming Native American ancestry to hide Sub-Saharan African ancestry.
  86. @Jefferson
    Mexicans inherited all of the weaknesses of being a Mongoloid/Caucasoid mix and none of the strengths. Most Mexicans did not get the high IQ of 1st world Western Whites and Northeast Asians. They instead inherited an IQ that is similar to that of Muslim Caucasoids like Syrians and Southeast Asians like Indonesians.

    Mexicans inherited all of the weaknesses of being a Mongoloid/Caucasoid mix and none of the strengths.

    Amerind and Caucasoid mix.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Amerind and Caucasoid mix."

    In your opinion where do Amerindians racially fall in the 3 race theory of Mongoloid, Caucasoid, and Negroid?

    Why do many Amerindians have Chino looking eyes? Especially among Amerindians in places like Mexico, Guatemala, Peru, and the Amazon for example.

  87. @gcochran
    Mostly small artisans and craftsmen.

    Mostly small artisans and craftsmen.

    Thanks.I knew that weren’t primarily farmers, but I couldn’t quite recall how their profile differed from the Ashkenazim.

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  88. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    The best basketball players and the best mathematicians per capita seem to be black Americans and Ashkenazim, both of whom are sort of hybrid populations. American blacks have something like 20% white admixture on average, and they’re better at basketball than pure whites or pure blacks from Africa.

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  89. @drconatus
    Ashkenazi Jews are not "very racially mixed." And it's still up in the air how much European mixture they have -- could be anywhere from ~0 to ~3/4ths. We won't know for sure until a good amount of ancient DNA is sampled from the Levant (looking more likely to be technically feasible now).

    On topic: the proposed formative Ashkenazi population would have been a mix of Palestinian-types with Italian-types. Something like Rula Jebreal -- another nice example of a fine looking hybrid. ;-)

    https://www.google.com/search?q=rula+jebreal&safe=off&es_sm=91&biw=1527&bih=832&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=foyUVcyyFNTaoATHhZXYBQ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

    Ashkenazi Jews are not “very racially mixed.” And it’s still up in the air how much European mixture they have — could be anywhere from ~0 to ~3/4ths. We won’t know for sure until a good amount of ancient DNA is sampled from the Levant

    We’ve got studies right now that say that the Ashkenazim are basically a 50/50 split between European and Middle Eastern:

    I’m looking at abstracts on Ashkenazi genetics from ASHG 2013 and SMBE 2014 – by the same group, with Shai Carmi as the lead author. They did 128 whole genomes, 50x deep.

    They concluded Ashkenazi Jews were about 50% Middle Eastern and 50% European. In the 2013 abstract, they were pretty specific: they estimated the European ancestry fraction at 55% , plus or minus 2%. ( In our book, we had a crude estimate of about 40% European ancestry.) They estimated the split between Europeans and Middle Easterners at about 9000 BC: which sounds about the right date for the entry of the Sardinian-like farmers. From other data (mtDNA) , and from the fact that you see almost zero WHG or ANE in Ashkenazi autosomal genes, one can conclude that the European admixture was mostly Italian, with some southern French. Very little German or Slavic – by that time serious endogamy had set in..

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2014/06/24/ashkenazi-ancestry/

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    • Replies: @drconatus
    I'm aware of the papers. The problem is that they rely on using modern populations as proxies for ancient ones. Lots is being rewritten with the very recent explosion of ancient DNA data -- I wouldn't be surprised at some unexpected results once we have samples from the middle east.

    Personally, fwiw, I do think Ashkenazis have "European" mixture. I just think it's much less than the ~55% that's been suggested. I respect Dr. Cochran a lot and enjoy his writing tremendously, but in this case I must disagree. Anyways we should find out soon enough.
  90. Not sure why it’s terribly important exactly what the European/Middle Eastern mix in Ashkenazis might be.

    It is pretty plausible that virtually everything distinctive about them as a population was evolved since the mixture in the Roman Empire.

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  91. Mixed-race relationships are making us taller and smarter:

    That’s what they have to say.

    The study is here…
    Extended Data Table 1: Continental ancestry of cohorts participating in each trait study.”

    It looks like none of the participants are “mixed race”.

    “Given the low levels of genome-wide homozygosity prevalent in most human populations, information is required on very large numbers of people to provide sufficient power.

    In each case, increased homozygosity was associated with decreased trait value, equivalent to the offspring of first cousins being 1.2 cm shorter and having 10 months’ less education. Similar effect sizes were found across four continental groups and populations with different degrees of genome-wide homozygosity, providing evidence that homozygosity, rather than confounding, directly contributes to phenotypic variance.”

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  92. @JohnnyWalker123
    Being more highly concentrated in a financier niche may have raised their overall IQ, but don't Jews also have substantial talents in areas like art and literature? Would being in that niche have produced that type of population?

    Or can we assume that having a generally high IQ means that Jews can do well in any g-correlated field, but that Jews have no selective advantage on top of what IQ would've provided?

    > Or can we assume that having a generally high IQ means that Jews can do well in any g-correlated field, but that Jews have no selective advantage on top of what IQ would’ve provided?

    Ashkenazi Jews have higher achievement levels than East Asians despite about equal IQs. For example Israel, despite only being partially Ashkenazi, has now passed Japan in GDP per capita.

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    • Replies: @Rich
    Israel's high GDP per capita is related to its being the favored son client state of the US which gives Israel a very large number of federal contracts. It also has a a very large slave labor population in its Arab workers.
    , @John Smith
    Isreal is a welfare dependency of the United States, Germany, and other Western European nations. so those numbers may be a little deceptive. And yes while Japan does benefit from the protection of the US Navy, they don't receive near as much attention, care and subservience as Israel.
  93. @JohnnyWalker123
    Being more highly concentrated in a financier niche may have raised their overall IQ, but don't Jews also have substantial talents in areas like art and literature? Would being in that niche have produced that type of population?

    Or can we assume that having a generally high IQ means that Jews can do well in any g-correlated field, but that Jews have no selective advantage on top of what IQ would've provided?

    Being more highly concentrated in a financier niche may have raised their overall IQ, but don’t Jews also have substantial talents in areas like art and literature?

    Literature, sure: Bellow, Roth, Kafka, etc

    Art is a bit iffier.Jewish prohibitions on images prevented strong traditions in sculpture or painting from emerging.Offhand, I can’t think of too many highly regarded Jewish painters.Modigliani, a few others, maybe

    Would being in that niche have produced that type of population?

    Or can we assume that having a generally high IQ means that Jews can do well in any g-correlated field, but that Jews have no selective advantage on top of what IQ would’ve provided?

    I think that you’re pretty safe in saying that high IQ is necessary for high achievement in art in literature.

    As for why some groups excel in some areas but not others, that’s more difficult.Take the Angl0s, for example.Outstanding accomplishments in film, literature, physics, technology, astronomy, biology, etc.However, their accomplishments in music and painting are pretty meager when compared to what the Germans, Italians, and Dutch have done.

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Art is a bit iffier.Jewish prohibitions on images prevented strong traditions in sculpture or painting from emerging
     
    The success of Gehry and Libeskind in architecture can be explained more by a collapse in goyish taste.


    However, their accomplishments in music and painting are pretty meager when compared to what the Germans, Italians, and Dutch have done.
     
    Dutch music? Focus? Golden Earring? Tee Set? Shocking Blue!

    Nobody approaches the Italians and Germans (/Austrians) in music. But the English have a decent record in folk ditties, noëls, and rock-and-roll. In America, WASPs beat everyone but Jews in Tin Pan Alley.

    Englishmen excelled in landscapes, and America had the Hudson River and Boston Schools, so Anglo-Saxons were hardly shut out in painting.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Lots of Jews do well in music too.

    Jews seem to outperform what mean IQ alone would suggest, so perhaps non-measurable cognitive abilities were also enhanced by their economic niche or there was some benefit from mixing with the Euro population.
    , @Peter Lund
    Turner, Millais, Beardsley, ...

    John and Paul, the brothers Davies, Purcell, ...
  94. @JohnnyWalker123

    Cochran disagrees; he says that they are an example of what happens when an ethny is confined to “White Collar” jobs (money-lending, estate management, tax-farming) for over one thousand years.

     

    What type of niche were the Sephardim confined to?

    What type of niche were the Sephardim confined to?

    Cochran has weighed in:

    Mostly small artisans and craftsmen.

    So, not agriculturalists/herdsmen (like the bulk of the Muslim population in West Asia-North Africa) but also not concentrated (like the Ashkenazi) in estate management, money-lending, tax-farming, etc,

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    • Replies: @drconatus
    Perhaps many were artisans and craftsmen. But many were also leading intellectuals, merchants, etc. Their achievements and positions in Andalusian Spain speak for themselves. And before you say "it's easy to compete against Muslims and Spaniards" -- look at Amsterdam in the 1600s. The city probably had the highest concentration of able individuals in the world at that time and they more than held their own. Also, 12 Nobels ain't bad.

    I'm skeptical of some of the reported average IQs I've seen discussed -- around 100 or so. It just doesn't jive with observed reality. I'd guess it's a few points higher.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Thanks.

    I think being more concentrated in the financier niche is a critical factor in Ashkenazi Jewish evolution, but it'd wouldn't surprise me if they benefited from gene flow from the Western Euro population. Especially in Germany.
  95. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "Billy Joel’s daughter with Christie Brinkley looks like her father (and I suppose sings like her mother). Big genetic loser (but, hey, she’s Billy Joel’s daughter, so she doesn’t have to worry about supporting herself or finding a man)."

    I just Googled her, and she basically looks like a younger Christie Brinkley, with darker coloured hair. Not everyone finds Nordic-looking women to be our innate aesthetic superiors. I mean, its a popular choice, to be sure, but to suggest Brinkley's daughter is a "big genetic loser," based on little more than her having nearly-black hair, seems a tad ridiculous. I find her much more appealing than her mother. And yet, nearly all her individually identifiable facial features, clearly come her mother's side of the family.

    I disagree. From these pictures (the natural ones, not photo shoots), she distinctly takes more after her father.

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  96. @JohnnyWalker123
    Being more highly concentrated in a financier niche may have raised their overall IQ, but don't Jews also have substantial talents in areas like art and literature? Would being in that niche have produced that type of population?

    Or can we assume that having a generally high IQ means that Jews can do well in any g-correlated field, but that Jews have no selective advantage on top of what IQ would've provided?

    I do have a strong suspicion that there is a large repository of critical cognitive abilities that are effectively “dark matter”, because we have no good way of measuring them.

    Just as an example, many of the best writers of comedy were not spectacular students, and seemed to have relatively little aptitude for hard cognitive work compared to, say, standard issue Ivy League students. Conversely, not many brilliant scientists and mathematicians — or even writers of other kinds of material — seem capable of the wit of the great writers of comedy.

    Obviously, we can see differences at the ultimate output level from these different sorts of people, but we have no way of testing for these abilities independently, or predicting them in people. Nobody knows how these abilities match up with g, or how much independent of it they are.

    Jews got a good helping of g, and of some of these other abilities as a population, but different individuals among them excel in different dimensions.

    My guess is that there are some abilities they did not get in any abundance, though; they may even be worse than most on some of them.

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    • Replies: @Anonym
    I'm not sure about that. A lot of intelligent people are hilariously funny, including professors (though not all). One would have to either have a high appetite for risk or be so many standard deviations to the right on the comedy bell curve that it is really not that risky. Or kind of fall into it while in college and excel.
  97. @Uptown Resident
    Whenever I see tall white men with toy Asian wives I lament the waste of height, and I wonder if the man had considered how his choice of mate might impact the size and girth of any sons resulting from their union.

    Those guys are generally too Beta to win White women. Asian women are more tolerant, still don’t like it, of beta males. White women are edging into Black women territory in hatred of beta males.

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  98. @JohnnyWalker123
    So you're saying that lesser-IQ Sephardim weren't selected against as severely as lesser-IQ Ashkenazim?

    That’s my thesis. Not original either… someone else said much the same in comments earlier… but I forget who it was.

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  99. Attractive people interracially marrying or having children together will produce more attractive children than would be predicted, but this isn’t necessarily the default (both sides being attractive) for such unions.

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  100. There’s the issue of dominant vs recessive genes & genetic suicide vs preservation.

    The mixed race of Mexico and Brazil don’t seem very exceptional. Racial mixture produces children that are somewhat half-way between the parents. If one parent comes from a superior population and the other one an inferior one, the next generation will likely not be exceptional.

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    @Anonymous

    However, here’s a rare photo of Richard Pryor with his comedienne daughter Rain Pryor.
     
    She kind of reminds me of Rumer Willis with that chin:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Rumer_Willis.jpg

    Rumer is the daughter of Bruce Willis and Demi Moore, so I don't really know what happened there.

    Classic example of when a masculine man has an ogre daughter. Some families have genetics that favor the men and hurt the women. Other families have genetics that favor the women and hurt the men.

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  102. @syonredux

    There’s another aspect which is that interracial mating tends to increase phenotype variance, so interracial celebrities (e.g., Quincey Jones’ daughter Rashida Jones)
     
    Here's Kenya Jones, the daughter that Quincy had with the very lovely Nastassja Kinski:


    http://ampersand.louandgrey.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Kenya-1400x600.jpg

    http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/470897954-model-kenya-kinski-jones-attends-opening-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QcgI0q%2F2ZPDMVJygmW25rwmBkoP2S1nhSm5D59A7fbs8M32gV83ty5b1NqvwIkM5yQ%3D%3D

    Blonde hair blue-eyed women have traditionally been seen as the pinnacle of beauty. They would not exist with interracial dating.

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  103. I am german/swiss descent, my wife is northern asian. I am 6’4″, wife is 5’7″. Both our kids are tall, strong and better looking than either of us. Seem to have received the best features from both. My daughter, in particular, is constantly praised for her looks. Both are smart as hell too, maybe smarter than either of us.

    This proves nothing, of course. But a dad can brag anonymously on the internet

    We live in an area that where maybe 15% of the kids are white-asian mixed. High income, highly competitive area. The kids seem to be better looking than average. The girls/women often look Russian, which makes some sense, actually.

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    • Replies: @Robbie
    You're one of these white men who are like

    "I interracially married in order to create a New Species of Super Human!"

    Remember how Pride is a Sin?

    I'd be interested to see what the White or Asian classmates have to say about your kids...

    :) :) :)

    I know a lot of white men who think their interracial marriages are producing superior beings...

    , @Robbie
    And Russia is a third world country :)

    (I'm pro-Russian...but let's be honest...no one chooses to move to Ukraine/Russia...the upper class Russians are pure nordics...while the lower class are the more brown slavic types)

  104. @syonredux

    Ashkenazi Jews are not “very racially mixed.” And it’s still up in the air how much European mixture they have — could be anywhere from ~0 to ~3/4ths. We won’t know for sure until a good amount of ancient DNA is sampled from the Levant
     
    We've got studies right now that say that the Ashkenazim are basically a 50/50 split between European and Middle Eastern:

    I’m looking at abstracts on Ashkenazi genetics from ASHG 2013 and SMBE 2014 – by the same group, with Shai Carmi as the lead author. They did 128 whole genomes, 50x deep.

    They concluded Ashkenazi Jews were about 50% Middle Eastern and 50% European. In the 2013 abstract, they were pretty specific: they estimated the European ancestry fraction at 55% , plus or minus 2%. ( In our book, we had a crude estimate of about 40% European ancestry.) They estimated the split between Europeans and Middle Easterners at about 9000 BC: which sounds about the right date for the entry of the Sardinian-like farmers. From other data (mtDNA) , and from the fact that you see almost zero WHG or ANE in Ashkenazi autosomal genes, one can conclude that the European admixture was mostly Italian, with some southern French. Very little German or Slavic – by that time serious endogamy had set in..
     
    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2014/06/24/ashkenazi-ancestry/

    I’m aware of the papers. The problem is that they rely on using modern populations as proxies for ancient ones. Lots is being rewritten with the very recent explosion of ancient DNA data — I wouldn’t be surprised at some unexpected results once we have samples from the middle east.

    Personally, fwiw, I do think Ashkenazis have “European” mixture. I just think it’s much less than the ~55% that’s been suggested. I respect Dr. Cochran a lot and enjoy his writing tremendously, but in this case I must disagree. Anyways we should find out soon enough.

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    I’m aware of the papers. The problem is that they rely on using modern populations as proxies for ancient ones. Lots is being rewritten with the very recent explosion of ancient DNA data — I wouldn’t be surprised at some unexpected results once we have samples from the middle east.
     
    Always a possibility, I suppose.

    Personally, fwiw, I do think Ashkenazis have “European” mixture. I just think it’s much less than the ~55% that’s been suggested. I respect Dr. Cochran a lot and enjoy his writing tremendously, but in this case I must disagree. Anyways we should find out soon enough.
     
    The 50% figure for European admixture seems quite sound to me.Granted, it probably disturbs some extreme Jewish nationalist types to find out that the Ashkenazi maternal line is European, not ancestrally Israelite.But those are the breaks
    , @Jefferson
    "Personally, fwiw, I do think Ashkenazis have “European” mixture. I just think it’s much less than the ~55% that’s been suggested. "

    I don't think it is much less than suggested. Why is it that blue eyes are way more common among Ashkenazis than it is among Arabs? it's because Ashkenazis have significantly more European admixture than Arabs who tend to be pure Middle Easterners. There is a reason why Ashkenazis do not look like Osama Bin Laden and that is because of their significant Euro admixture.
    , @Anonymous
    Cochran didn't make that admixture estimate, the authors of the study did. And you have a bias. Ancient DNA can be very informative, but the limited number of samples available may skew the impression of the ancient population's genetic variation. It's just another piece of data rather than a reason to write off all of the other data based on modern population sampling. Also worth considering is that genetic similarity between Hellenistic or Roman era Jewish remains and modern Ashkenazi Jews is not necessarily indicative of lack of admixture because the admixture is thought to have occurred during those periods. Judea/Palestine had large numbers of Greeks and later Romans, and outside of Judea in places like Alexandria, Jews lived near large numbers of Greeks. Only pre-Hellenistic samples would be clearly meaningful for this analysis.
  105. The team found that greater genetic diversity is linked to increased height

    Stupid, stupid, stupid.

    There’s no such thing as genetic diversity within a person, except perhaps for allelic heterozygosity, and they sure as hell aren’t talking about that.

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  106. @Paleo
    Another way inbreeding can occur is in an endogamous population that has gone through a bottleneck. Ashkenazi Jews are the classic example. They had a very small population 20-25 generations ago. Harpending is wrong to say there was no bottleneck. All geneticists know there was. As a result there are many Ashkenazi diseases such as Tay-Sachs or familial dysautonomia. It's the result of a remote history of inbreeding, that is a founder effect. Other populations that are bottle necked include Finns, Sardinians, and Micronesians.

    No evidence that there was a bottleneck, but lots of evidence of extreme inbreeding in the Ashkenazi community over a period of many centuries. The “bottleneck” theory is just a lame attempt to divert attention from the inbreeding and the resulting plethora of genetic diseases in Ashkenazi…..In my direct experience, there are a huge number of children affected by such unfortunate conditions in our area, which has a very substantial Ashkenazi population.

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    • Replies: @Santoculto
    Combo energetic (psychopathic-like-ish) ashkenazi (average) personality + extreme inbreeding may can be one of the fundamental causes to higher incidence of genetic problems among them and not just inbreeding.
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    @Uptown Resident
    Exactly. And proportionality also turns out to be key during childbirth. Asian women bearing the the children of white men have higher rates of Cesarean births because their pelvises can't handle the larger babies. Serves them right for marrying white men is what I say.

    Actually, in general Mongoloid groups such as Orientals and Eskimo groups have wider pelvises than Caucasians.

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  108. @Anonymous
    Depends on which Asian women. The study on C-sections that's frequently cited included East Asians, Southeast Asians, South Asians such as Indians, and Pacific Islanders under the Asian group. East Asian babies tend to have larger cranium size at birth than European babies. I imagine the hybrids have intermediate cranium size and consequently may be easier births for East Asian mothers.

    Depends on which Asian women. The study on C-sections that’s frequently cited included East Asians, Southeast Asians, South Asians such as Indians, and Pacific Islanders under the Asian group. East Asian babies tend to have larger cranium size at birth than European babies. I imagine the hybrids have intermediate cranium size and consequently may be easier births for East Asian mothers.

    Yes, indeed. People are very confused (or ignorant) about the relationship between baby cranium size differences and pelvic widths of mothers by race. Most people assume that because black women have a lot of fat on their hips that they have the widest pelvis. That just ain’t so.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Caesareans vary significantly within and between races and populations as well as across time periods. I'm not sure how much they're related to head or pelvis size.

    There was a study that looked at Caesareans among White and Asian/White couples and found that Asian father/White mother couples had the lowest rate at 23%, and White father/Asian mother couples had the highest rate at 33.2%:

    http://scienceblogs.com/gnxp/2008/10/03/the-prenatal-wages-of-interrac/

    The average in the US is around 33% but varies significantly by state, from 23% to 40%. China currently has among the highest rates at around 46%, and Italy has among the highest rates in Europe at 40%:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesarean_section#Usage
  109. @syonredux

    What type of niche were the Sephardim confined to?
     
    Cochran has weighed in:

    Mostly small artisans and craftsmen.
     
    So, not agriculturalists/herdsmen (like the bulk of the Muslim population in West Asia-North Africa) but also not concentrated (like the Ashkenazi) in estate management, money-lending, tax-farming, etc,

    Perhaps many were artisans and craftsmen. But many were also leading intellectuals, merchants, etc. Their achievements and positions in Andalusian Spain speak for themselves. And before you say “it’s easy to compete against Muslims and Spaniards” — look at Amsterdam in the 1600s. The city probably had the highest concentration of able individuals in the world at that time and they more than held their own. Also, 12 Nobels ain’t bad.

    I’m skeptical of some of the reported average IQs I’ve seen discussed — around 100 or so. It just doesn’t jive with observed reality. I’d guess it’s a few points higher.

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  110. @Jefferson
    "rashida-jones-sister-kidada-agrees-she-passed-for-white-but-did-the-mean-girls-at-harvard-scare-her-away-from-dating-black-men-forever/ >http://bossip.com/623483/rashida-jones-sister-kidada-agrees-she-passed-for-white-but-did-the-mean-girls-at-harvard-scare-her-away-from-dating-black-men-forever/"

    Rashida Jones has dated more White men than all of the Kardashian sisters combined.

    I’m a fan of The Office and for a long time I was convinced Rashida Jones was a white chick who just had a dark tan.

    There is even a scene where Micheal Scott makes a joke about not knowing what race she belongs to.

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    • Replies: @Gunnar von Cowtown
    Man, this is a good post/comment thread.

    I’m a fan of The Office and for a long time I was convinced Rashida Jones was a white chick who just had a dark tan.
     
    Ditto. Even after someone told me that she was Quincy Jones' daughter, I had to do a triple take. "Huh? The cute chick with the green eyes? Seriously?" So I did an image search for Quincy Jones, and looked at the color photos. He appears to be light skinned and his eyes look almost hazel, suggesting a little more than the average ~20% admixture of Euro DNA found in most American blacks. I'm sure there's a lot of long forgotten wisdom about phenotypes, and terms like "quadroon" and "octaroon" were once used for a reason, but the whole thing makes me question whether or not the "one drop rule" was such a good idea. Hindsight being 20/20 and all, would race relations be healthier in this country if the powers that were just said, "Once you hit the 75% mark, you're officially white"?

    @Anon

    Isn’t it ‘heightist’ to say being taller is better than being short? Time for Dwarfs and midgets to have Tiny Pride Parade.
     
    So long as they 86 the speedos and assless chaps, more power to 'em.

    @Anonymous

    Classic example of when a masculine man has an ogre daughter. Some families have genetics that favor the men and hurt the women. Other families have genetics that favor the women and hurt the men.
     
    Lolz. I remember Steve posting something a while back about this. There was an anecdote involving acquaintances of his who had a handsome lantern-jawed son and a handsome lantern-jawed daughter. Manipulating the human genome and "designer babies" have been a somewhat recurring theme around here. If the technology ever goes mass market, it's probably reasonable to assume that the most frequent "enhancements" will merely serve to amplify sexual dimorphism.
  111. @Jefferson
    Mexicans inherited all of the weaknesses of being a Mongoloid/Caucasoid mix and none of the strengths. Most Mexicans did not get the high IQ of 1st world Western Whites and Northeast Asians. They instead inherited an IQ that is similar to that of Muslim Caucasoids like Syrians and Southeast Asians like Indonesians.

    Mexicans inherited all of the weaknesses of being a Mongoloid/Caucasoid mix and none of the strengths.

    Amerinds are not Mongoloids: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/11/131120-science-native-american-people-migration-siberia-genetics/

    DNA from the remains revealed genes found today in western Eurasians in the Middle East and Europe, as well as other aspects unique to Native Americans, but no evidence of any relation to modern East Asians.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Amerinds are not Mongoloids:"

    Yes they are Mongoloids. Amerindians are certainly not Caucasoids. That is why there are sometimes phenotype overlap between pure Amerindians and Southeast Asians but ZERO phenotype overlap between pure Amerindians and White people.

    , @ben tillman

    DNA from the remains revealed genes found today in western Eurasians in the Middle East and Europe, as well as other aspects unique to Native Americans, but no evidence of any relation to modern East Asians.
     
    Yeah, those words appear in the article, but the claim is stupid on its face since a monkey or a goat is related to modern East Asians if you don't specify some kind of standard of relatedness. And the rest of the article plainly contradicts your quote anyway:


    "Although we know that North Americans are related to East Asians, it's striking that no contemporary East Asian populations really resemble Native Americans," he said.
     
    Can it get any plainer than that?
    , @Anonymous
    Amerindians are Mongoloids, just as Middle Easterners and South Asians are Caucasoids. Mongoloid, Caucasoid, and Negroid are broad categories.
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    @Doug
    > Another way inbreeding can occur is in an endogamous population that has gone through a bottleneck. Ashkenazi Jews are the classic example.

    A cursory spot check indicates that half-Jews are at least as successful, if not more so than full Jews. Obviously there's a lot of selection affects here. And outbreeding Jews probably are mating with the upper half of the gentile bell curve. Still even with that, regression to the lower gentile mean should disadvantage half-Ashkenazi offspring. The most plausible explanation is that hybrid vigor is counteracting this effect.

    That’s arguable for intellectual fields. The list of eminent Jewish intellectuals is much more robust than the list of eminent half-Jewish intellectuals.

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  113. Ashkenazi Jews have been mixing with the Near Eastern Jews in Israel for the past 60 years. That seems to be a hybridization that is working. Jerry Seinfeld is mix of Syrian Jewish and Austrian Jewish. This woman is a mix as well, the new Israeli justice minister: Ayelet Shaked. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayelet_Shaked.

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  114. @Massimo Heitor

    But we don’t see much of the unlucky losers (unless they have a lot of talent besides looks).

    However, here’s a rare photo of Richard Pryor with his comedienne daughter Rain Pryor.
     
    Rain Pryor isn't a supermodel and her hair looks like sideshow bob, but she is a pretty girl. This hot-or-not comment seems somewhat childish for Sailer

    I have to agree with you. Steve was acting very juvenile to comment on Rain’s appearance. She looks like her father, but that should not surprise anyone who believes that we inherit our genes from our parents. She has done nothing to deserve to be held up to ridicule. Fratty behavior. Shame, shame, Steve.

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    • Replies: @Stan D Mute

    She has done nothing to deserve to be held up to ridicule.
     
    Waaah! Steve Sailer wrote something objectively true but unflattering - the horror!

    Good grief, iSteve is one of the last places around where Truth may be told without PC censorship or busybody hand-wringing shrews wailing about hurt feelings. Here he simply cited an unattractive woman as a contrast to an attractive woman. He didn't "ridicule" her. There were no jokes about, "why the long face." He didn't wonder if Pryor was cuckolded by Mr Ed.

    The Truth is that is one seriously homely horse-faced female. If that reality is too upsetting to bear, maybe there is a good blog in Braille you could peruse?
    , @Gender_Inflation
    Ban women from the comments section.

    Otherwise, welcome to Shamefest 2015! With your 15, 30, and 45 minutes of shame sessions! Book now.
  115. @Anonymous
    Actually, a dentist once told me that interracial marriage has produced much more need for orthodontics in recent decades. Different races have different jaw structures, and mixing them can result in mismatched upper and lower jaws. Teeth don't line up properly, and so you end up needing braces to correct the defect.

    I keep wondering about autism and inter-racial marriage but my basis is purely anecdotal. I seem to have come across an above average number of acquaintances with some inter-racial characteristics (themselves or their parents) who produced a higher than average cohort of autistic children.

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  116. @Jefferson
    "I don’t know Steve. If you asked me to name the three biggest interracial celebrities that I could, off the top of my head, I would say: Derek Jeter, Tiger Woods, Barack Obama. They all have considerable talent aside from their looks, and, no homo, they aren’t particularly ugly."

    I have seen a lot of women refer to Tiger Woods as being ugly, both in real life and on internet discussion boards.

    The reason he has a lot of female mistresses is because he is the most famous golf player in the world with a net worth of about $600 million dollars, not because he is in the same league as Denzel Washington in the looks department.

    Having lots of money and fame means non handsome men like Larry The Cable Guy and Howard Stern can punch above their weight in the dating market.

    Having lots of money and fame means non handsome men like Larry The Cable Guy and Howard Stern can punch above their weight in the dating market.

    Larry the Cable Guy and Howard Stern are objectively unattractive. Tiger Woods is not. Would he have hundreds (thousands?) of mistresses if he wasn’t an elite athlete and a near-billionaire? No, almost certainly not. But do you really look at Tiger woods and think, “That guy fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down”?

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Nope, Tiger Woods ain't good-looking either. Obama is better-looking, especially Woods' smile is quite ugly (clownish and looking like a small brat). Woods does not have a very gracile or distinctive face.
  117. It’s always funny when anti-whites declare “Mixed race people are genetically superior”, because that would imply that mulattoes are genetically superior to full-blooded Negroes, something that they would never admit.

    You can’t have it both ways. You can’t claim that mixed race people are more intelligent, and then turn around and say that race and intelligence aren’t related.

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  118. @syonredux

    There’s another aspect which is that interracial mating tends to increase phenotype variance, so interracial celebrities (e.g., Quincey Jones’ daughter Rashida Jones) tend to be the lucky winners in the looks department in a more high stakes genetic lottery.

    But we don’t see much of the unlucky losers (unless they have a lot of talent besides looks).
     
    There's also the way that differences in phenotype can cause tension/divisions within families:

    KIDADA: I was kicked out of Buckley in second grade for behavior problems. I didn’t want my mother to come to my new school. If kids saw her, it would be: “your mom’s white!” I told Mom she couldn’t pick me up; she had to wait down the street in her car. Did Rashida have that problem? No! She passed for white.

    RASHIDA: “Passed”?! I had no control over how I looked. This is my natural hair, these are my natural eyes! I’ve never tried to be anything that I’m not. Today I feel guilty, knowing that because of the way our genes tumbled out, Kidada had to go through pain I didn’t have to endure. Loving her so much, I’m sad that I’ll never share that experience with her.

    RASHIDA: But it was different with our grandparents. Our dad’s father died before we were born. We didn’t see our dad’s mother often. I felt comfortable with Mommy’s parents, who’d come to love my dad like a son. Kidada wasn’t so comfortable with them. I felt Jewish; Kidada didn’t.

    KIDADA: I knew Mommy’s parents were upset at first when she married a black man, and though they did the best they could, I picked up on what I thought was their subtle disapproval of me. Mommy says they loved me, but I felt estranged from them.

    PEGGY: Kidada never wanted to be white. She spoke with a little…twist in her language. She had ‘tude. Rashida spoke more primly, and her identity touched all bases. She’d announce, “I’m going to be the first female, black, Jewish president of the U.S.!”

    KIDADA: When I was 11, a white girlfriend and I were going to meet up with these boys she knew. I’d told her, because I wanted to be accepted, “Tell them I’m tan.” When we met them, the one she was setting me up with said, “You didn’t tell me she was black.” That’s When I started defining myself as black, period. Why fight it? Everyone wanted to put me in a box. On passports, at doctor’s offices, when I changed schools, there were boxes to check: Caucasian, Black, Hispanic, Asian. I don’t mean any dishonor to my mother–who is the most wonderful mother in the world, and we are so alike–but: I am black. Rashida answers questions about “what” she is differently. She uses all the adjectives: black, white, Jewish.

     

    rashida-jones-sister-kidada-agrees-she-passed-for-white-but-did-the-mean-girls-at-harvard-scare-her-away-from-dating-black-men-forever/ >http://bossip.com/623483/rashida-jones-sister-kidada-agrees-she-passed-for-white-but-did-the-mean-girls-at-harvard-scare-her-away-from-dating-black-men-forever/

    “Kidada never wanted to be white….” Riiiiight! “Kidada…acted out…tomboy…(was asked to leave) the Buckley school…Rashida liked wearing dresses”. Wow just wow.Darn the beautiful white woman who put those genes into the Jewish race and thence into the black.

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  119. @Taco
    I don't know Steve. If you asked me to name the three biggest interracial celebrities that I could, off the top of my head, I would say: Derek Jeter, Tiger Woods, Barack Obama. They all have considerable talent aside from their looks, and, no homo, they aren't particularly ugly.

    Derek Jeter is funny looking.

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  120. @Twinkie

    Mexicans inherited all of the weaknesses of being a Mongoloid/Caucasoid mix and none of the strengths.
     
    Amerinds are not Mongoloids: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/11/131120-science-native-american-people-migration-siberia-genetics/

    DNA from the remains revealed genes found today in western Eurasians in the Middle East and Europe, as well as other aspects unique to Native Americans, but no evidence of any relation to modern East Asians.
     

    “Amerinds are not Mongoloids:”

    Yes they are Mongoloids. Amerindians are certainly not Caucasoids. That is why there are sometimes phenotype overlap between pure Amerindians and Southeast Asians but ZERO phenotype overlap between pure Amerindians and White people.

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    “Amerinds are not Mongoloids:”

    Yes they are Mongoloids. Amerindians are certainly not Caucasoids. That is why there are sometimes phenotype overlap between pure Amerindians and Southeast Asians but ZERO phenotype overlap between pure Amerindians and White people.
     
    On the "Continental" race level, you typically see a grouping more or less like this: Amerind, East Eurasian/Mongoloid, West Eurasian/Caucasoid, Australoid, etc

    Obviously, it's possible to group Amerinds with East Eurasians (Race can be scaled up or scaled down), but it seems to make more sense to assign them a separate category.It's certainly more useful.
  121. @syonredux

    Mexicans inherited all of the weaknesses of being a Mongoloid/Caucasoid mix and none of the strengths.
     
    Amerind and Caucasoid mix.

    “Amerind and Caucasoid mix.”

    In your opinion where do Amerindians racially fall in the 3 race theory of Mongoloid, Caucasoid, and Negroid?

    Why do many Amerindians have Chino looking eyes? Especially among Amerindians in places like Mexico, Guatemala, Peru, and the Amazon for example.

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  122. @Keith Vaz
    She does have to worry. Status doesn't make girls more attractive to men.

    She does have to worry. Status doesn’t make girls more attractive to men.

    Your social life, and that of your children, will be managed by your wife. Your wife’s status is extremely important when it comes to marriage.

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  123. @Twinkie

    Mexicans inherited all of the weaknesses of being a Mongoloid/Caucasoid mix and none of the strengths.
     
    Amerinds are not Mongoloids: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/11/131120-science-native-american-people-migration-siberia-genetics/

    DNA from the remains revealed genes found today in western Eurasians in the Middle East and Europe, as well as other aspects unique to Native Americans, but no evidence of any relation to modern East Asians.
     

    DNA from the remains revealed genes found today in western Eurasians in the Middle East and Europe, as well as other aspects unique to Native Americans, but no evidence of any relation to modern East Asians.

    Yeah, those words appear in the article, but the claim is stupid on its face since a monkey or a goat is related to modern East Asians if you don’t specify some kind of standard of relatedness. And the rest of the article plainly contradicts your quote anyway:

    Although we know that North Americans are related to East Asians, it’s striking that no contemporary East Asian populations really resemble Native Americans,” he said.

    Can it get any plainer than that?

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    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Yeah, those words appear in the article, but the claim is stupid on its face since a monkey or a goat is related to modern East Asians if you don’t specify some kind of standard of relatedness. And the rest of the article plainly contradicts your quote anyway
     
    Read further:

    Willerslev believes the discovery provides simpler and more likely explanations to long-standing controversies related to the peopling of the Americas.

    "Although we know that North Americans are related to East Asians, it's striking that no contemporary East Asian populations really resemble Native Americans," he said.


    "It's not like you can say that they are really closely related to Japanese, Chinese, or Koreans, so there seems to be something missing. But this result makes a lot of sense regarding why they don't fit so well genetically with contemporary East Asians—because one-third of their genome is derived from another population."

    The findings could also allow reinterpretation of archaeological and anthropological evidence, like the famed Kennewick Man, whose remains don't look much like modern-day Native American or East Asian populations, according to some interpretations.

    "Maybe, if he looks like something else, it's because a third of his ancestry isn't coming from East Asia but from something like the western Eurasians." (Read about history's great migration mysteries.)
     
  124. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Twinkie

    Mexicans inherited all of the weaknesses of being a Mongoloid/Caucasoid mix and none of the strengths.
     
    Amerinds are not Mongoloids: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/11/131120-science-native-american-people-migration-siberia-genetics/

    DNA from the remains revealed genes found today in western Eurasians in the Middle East and Europe, as well as other aspects unique to Native Americans, but no evidence of any relation to modern East Asians.
     

    Amerindians are Mongoloids, just as Middle Easterners and South Asians are Caucasoids. Mongoloid, Caucasoid, and Negroid are broad categories.

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    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Amerindians are Mongoloids, just as Middle Easterners and South Asians are Caucasoids. Mongoloid, Caucasoid, and Negroid are broad categories.
     
    But they aren't the only racial categories because they do a poor job of categorizing some populations. Modern South Asians are not Caucasoids but are recent mixtures of several groups while Amerindians are not Mongoloids but people of ancient mixed origins (West and East Eurasians) with a different evolutionary path than modern East Asians.

    It would be more accurate to use terms like East Asian, Western European (or just European), and sub-Saharan African. People in South Asia, Amerinds, and Australian aborigines don't fit neatly into the three "-oids" above.

    And below that layer, As Razib Khan is fond of writing, "Caucasoids, Mongoloids, and Negroids" are themselves hybrid populations. All major modern human population groups are.
  125. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Yeah, was about to say, Rain Pryor? Hot? Thanks, haven't had a good laugh in about a week.

    It’s the other way round – Steve gave her as an example of a mixed-race child turning out unattractive.

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  126. @Doug
    > Another way inbreeding can occur is in an endogamous population that has gone through a bottleneck. Ashkenazi Jews are the classic example.

    A cursory spot check indicates that half-Jews are at least as successful, if not more so than full Jews. Obviously there's a lot of selection affects here. And outbreeding Jews probably are mating with the upper half of the gentile bell curve. Still even with that, regression to the lower gentile mean should disadvantage half-Ashkenazi offspring. The most plausible explanation is that hybrid vigor is counteracting this effect.

    A cursory spot check indicates that half-Jews are at least as successful, if not more so than full Jews. Obviously there’s a lot of selection affects here. And outbreeding Jews probably are mating with the upper half of the gentile bell curve. Still even with that, regression to the lower gentile mean should disadvantage half-Ashkenazi offspring. The most plausible explanation is that hybrid vigor is counteracting this effect.

    The more plausible explanation is that they have two networks of ethnic nepotism.

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    • Replies: @Doug
    Twin and adoption studies prove that "ethnic nepotism" accounts for a de minimis proportion of economic success. Otherwise we would see significant statistical relationships for shared environment. Almost all explainable Jewish success, like virtually any success in modern society, is genetically attributable.
  127. @Jefferson
    "I don’t know Steve. If you asked me to name the three biggest interracial celebrities that I could, off the top of my head, I would say: Derek Jeter, Tiger Woods, Barack Obama. They all have considerable talent aside from their looks, and, no homo, they aren’t particularly ugly."

    I have seen a lot of women refer to Tiger Woods as being ugly, both in real life and on internet discussion boards.

    The reason he has a lot of female mistresses is because he is the most famous golf player in the world with a net worth of about $600 million dollars, not because he is in the same league as Denzel Washington in the looks department.

    Having lots of money and fame means non handsome men like Larry The Cable Guy and Howard Stern can punch above their weight in the dating market.

    Having lots of money and fame means non handsome men like Larry The Cable Guy and Howard Stern can punch above their weight in the dating market.

    For what it’s worth, Larry is a Whitney. That can’t hurt, either.

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  128. @syonredux

    No, they’re a good example of what happens in a culture where the top scholars traditionally get the best chicks.
     
    Cochran disagrees; he says that they are an example of what happens when an ethny is confined to "White Collar" jobs (money-lending, estate management, tax-farming) for over one thousand years.

    I’m aware that they filled a niche left open by Christianity’s anti-usury stance. But weren’t there plenty of other things they could do too? Why would they be confined to money-oriented professions in general?

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  129. @Jefferson
    Meet the Cherokee Native American version of Rachel Dolezal.
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/30/meet-the-native-american-rachel-dolezal.html

    Before I clicked on the article, I thought it was going to be about Elizabeth Warren. Anyways this story is getting extremely little coverage compared to the media hoopla Rachel Dolezal received because in the U.S it is way more common for White people to claim Native American ancestry than it is for White people to claim Sub Saharan African ancestry. America has become so numb to White people claiming to be Amerindians, we have become used to it by now that the shock factor is not there like it is with Rachel Dolezal.

    …in the U.S it is way more common for White people to claim Native American ancestry than it is for White people to claim Sub Saharan African ancestry.

    No doubt in some cases they were claiming Native American ancestry to hide Sub-Saharan African ancestry.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "No doubt in some cases they were claiming Native American ancestry to hide Sub-Saharan African ancestry."

    Usually so-called "Blacks" who passed for White during Jim Crow claimed to be some type of Mediterranean White to explain their swarthyness like George Herriman who passed as a Greek man and Gregory Howard Williams "Black" father who passed as an Italian man.
  130. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    The best basketball players and mathematicians per capita are black Americans and Ashkenazi Jews. They have mixed origins and outperform their ancestral stocks. Black Americans outperform both West Africans and Europeans in basketball, and Ashkenazi Jews outperform other Jews and Europeans in mathematics.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    "They have mixed origins and outperform their ancestral stocks."

    So, is interracial supremacism okay?

    Maybe Nazi invasion of Russia would have been morally justified if Germans had intended to rape Russian women to produce a superior hybrid race that would then rightfully rule the world.
    , @Anonymous
    Newton and Gauss would like to have a world with you.
  131. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Steve,

    Have you noticed how biracials tend to have elevated mental health problems? From what I’ve
    observed of public and private individuals biracial people (either white and Black or White and Asian hybrids) suffer from depression, schizophrenia, and bipolar more often than average. Any relevant studies in the literature? anybody?

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    • Replies: @Truth
    "Have you noticed how biracials tend to have elevated mental health problems? From what I’ve
    observed of public and private individuals biracial people (either white and Black or White and Asian hybrids) suffer from depression, schizophrenia, and bipolar more often than average."

    No.
    , @Santoculto
    My opinion is that people who marry out of race tend to carry genes for some variant wich can correlates with mental health stuff. Like, immigrants tend to be more adventures and more ''adhd-like'' in some aspects. Novelty seeking.

    If non-so-mutant people marry out of race, this correlation may be reduced.
  132. @syonredux

    Being more highly concentrated in a financier niche may have raised their overall IQ, but don’t Jews also have substantial talents in areas like art and literature?
     
    Literature, sure: Bellow, Roth, Kafka, etc

    Art is a bit iffier.Jewish prohibitions on images prevented strong traditions in sculpture or painting from emerging.Offhand, I can't think of too many highly regarded Jewish painters.Modigliani, a few others, maybe

    Would being in that niche have produced that type of population?

    Or can we assume that having a generally high IQ means that Jews can do well in any g-correlated field, but that Jews have no selective advantage on top of what IQ would’ve provided?
     
    I think that you're pretty safe in saying that high IQ is necessary for high achievement in art in literature.


    As for why some groups excel in some areas but not others, that's more difficult.Take the Angl0s, for example.Outstanding accomplishments in film, literature, physics, technology, astronomy, biology, etc.However, their accomplishments in music and painting are pretty meager when compared to what the Germans, Italians, and Dutch have done.

    Art is a bit iffier.Jewish prohibitions on images prevented strong traditions in sculpture or painting from emerging

    The success of Gehry and Libeskind in architecture can be explained more by a collapse in goyish taste.

    However, their accomplishments in music and painting are pretty meager when compared to what the Germans, Italians, and Dutch have done.

    Dutch music? Focus? Golden Earring? Tee Set? Shocking Blue!

    Nobody approaches the Italians and Germans (/Austrians) in music. But the English have a decent record in folk ditties, noëls, and rock-and-roll. In America, WASPs beat everyone but Jews in Tin Pan Alley.

    Englishmen excelled in landscapes, and America had the Hudson River and Boston Schools, so Anglo-Saxons were hardly shut out in painting.

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    Dutch music? Focus? Golden Earring? Tee Set? Shocking Blue!
     
    I suppose that I should have composed my sentence more carefully, but I assumed that most people would know that, in reference to the Dutch, I was talking about painting (Rembrandt, van Eyck, etc), not music.For that matter, I also assumed that people would be able to figure out that, in reference to Germany, I was talking about composers, not painters.

    Nobody approaches the Italians and Germans (/Austrians) in music. But the English have a decent record in folk ditties, noëls, and rock-and-roll. In America, WASPs beat everyone but Jews in Tin Pan Alley.
     
    Which is my point.No Anglo cracks Murray's list of giants in music (Human Accomplishment, 134)

    Englishmen excelled in landscapes, and America had the Hudson River and Boston Schools, so Anglo-Saxons were hardly shut out in painting.
     
    Of course Anglos have produced significant (to use Murray's word) painters, but they have not produced giants.Cf 137 of Human Accomplishment.No Anglo makes the list of giants in Western Painting.
  133. @WowJustWow
    I'm aware that they filled a niche left open by Christianity's anti-usury stance. But weren't there plenty of other things they could do too? Why would they be confined to money-oriented professions in general?

    Maybe they wanted those professions?

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  134. Wait a minute, what? Intelligence is caused by genes and can be inherited?

    Are they multi-racial supremacists? Do they advocate eugenics by forced racial intermarriage?

    Is the SPLC going to list the Daily Mail as a Nazi website now?

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  135. @Jefferson
    TV Land dropped reruns of The Dukes Of Hazzard from their lineup, because of the Confederate flag on The General Lee.

    Political correctness on steroids has made America go full retard. As Robert Downey Jr.'s character says in Tropic Thunder, you never go full retard.

    People are rallying around Trump because he is doubling down. Good for him.

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  136. BTW, hybrid vigor is a one shot thing. Children of hybrids don’t have inherit it. You need to keep two purebred lines and cross them.

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  137. @ben tillman

    DNA from the remains revealed genes found today in western Eurasians in the Middle East and Europe, as well as other aspects unique to Native Americans, but no evidence of any relation to modern East Asians.
     
    Yeah, those words appear in the article, but the claim is stupid on its face since a monkey or a goat is related to modern East Asians if you don't specify some kind of standard of relatedness. And the rest of the article plainly contradicts your quote anyway:


    "Although we know that North Americans are related to East Asians, it's striking that no contemporary East Asian populations really resemble Native Americans," he said.
     
    Can it get any plainer than that?

    Yeah, those words appear in the article, but the claim is stupid on its face since a monkey or a goat is related to modern East Asians if you don’t specify some kind of standard of relatedness. And the rest of the article plainly contradicts your quote anyway

    Read further:

    Willerslev believes the discovery provides simpler and more likely explanations to long-standing controversies related to the peopling of the Americas.

    “Although we know that North Americans are related to East Asians, it’s striking that no contemporary East Asian populations really resemble Native Americans,” he said.

    “It’s not like you can say that they are really closely related to Japanese, Chinese, or Koreans, so there seems to be something missing. But this result makes a lot of sense regarding why they don’t fit so well genetically with contemporary East Asians—because one-third of their genome is derived from another population.”

    The findings could also allow reinterpretation of archaeological and anthropological evidence, like the famed Kennewick Man, whose remains don’t look much like modern-day Native American or East Asian populations, according to some interpretations.

    “Maybe, if he looks like something else, it’s because a third of his ancestry isn’t coming from East Asia but from something like the western Eurasians.” (Read about history’s great migration mysteries.)

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    “Although we know that North Americans are related to East Asians, it’s striking that no contemporary East Asian populations really resemble Native Americans,” he said."

    I dated a Japanese girl in New Mexico for a few years a decade ago, she said that Indians approached her all of the time, inquiring as to which tribe she was from.
  138. @ben tillman

    A cursory spot check indicates that half-Jews are at least as successful, if not more so than full Jews. Obviously there’s a lot of selection affects here. And outbreeding Jews probably are mating with the upper half of the gentile bell curve. Still even with that, regression to the lower gentile mean should disadvantage half-Ashkenazi offspring. The most plausible explanation is that hybrid vigor is counteracting this effect.
     
    The more plausible explanation is that they have two networks of ethnic nepotism.

    Twin and adoption studies prove that “ethnic nepotism” accounts for a de minimis proportion of economic success. Otherwise we would see significant statistical relationships for shared environment. Almost all explainable Jewish success, like virtually any success in modern society, is genetically attributable.

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    Or perhaps ethnic nepotism doesn't accrue to adopted kids. They just don't have that 'red ant smell' as Moldbug put it.

    Also, I refuse to believe Shia LaBeouf would be in movies if he was some methodist kid from South Dakota. He's an extremely average looking, average height & build guy.
  139. @Anonymous
    Steve,

    Have you noticed how biracials tend to have elevated mental health problems? From what I've
    observed of public and private individuals biracial people (either white and Black or White and Asian hybrids) suffer from depression, schizophrenia, and bipolar more often than average. Any relevant studies in the literature? anybody?

    “Have you noticed how biracials tend to have elevated mental health problems? From what I’ve
    observed of public and private individuals biracial people (either white and Black or White and Asian hybrids) suffer from depression, schizophrenia, and bipolar more often than average.”

    No.

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  140. @Twinkie

    Yeah, those words appear in the article, but the claim is stupid on its face since a monkey or a goat is related to modern East Asians if you don’t specify some kind of standard of relatedness. And the rest of the article plainly contradicts your quote anyway
     
    Read further:

    Willerslev believes the discovery provides simpler and more likely explanations to long-standing controversies related to the peopling of the Americas.

    "Although we know that North Americans are related to East Asians, it's striking that no contemporary East Asian populations really resemble Native Americans," he said.


    "It's not like you can say that they are really closely related to Japanese, Chinese, or Koreans, so there seems to be something missing. But this result makes a lot of sense regarding why they don't fit so well genetically with contemporary East Asians—because one-third of their genome is derived from another population."

    The findings could also allow reinterpretation of archaeological and anthropological evidence, like the famed Kennewick Man, whose remains don't look much like modern-day Native American or East Asian populations, according to some interpretations.

    "Maybe, if he looks like something else, it's because a third of his ancestry isn't coming from East Asia but from something like the western Eurasians." (Read about history's great migration mysteries.)
     

    “Although we know that North Americans are related to East Asians, it’s striking that no contemporary East Asian populations really resemble Native Americans,” he said.”

    I dated a Japanese girl in New Mexico for a few years a decade ago, she said that Indians approached her all of the time, inquiring as to which tribe she was from.

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  141. BTW:

    Why do you guys get off on insulting women so much? Not a good look.

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  142. @candid_observer
    I do have a strong suspicion that there is a large repository of critical cognitive abilities that are effectively "dark matter", because we have no good way of measuring them.

    Just as an example, many of the best writers of comedy were not spectacular students, and seemed to have relatively little aptitude for hard cognitive work compared to, say, standard issue Ivy League students. Conversely, not many brilliant scientists and mathematicians -- or even writers of other kinds of material -- seem capable of the wit of the great writers of comedy.

    Obviously, we can see differences at the ultimate output level from these different sorts of people, but we have no way of testing for these abilities independently, or predicting them in people. Nobody knows how these abilities match up with g, or how much independent of it they are.

    Jews got a good helping of g, and of some of these other abilities as a population, but different individuals among them excel in different dimensions.

    My guess is that there are some abilities they did not get in any abundance, though; they may even be worse than most on some of them.

    I’m not sure about that. A lot of intelligent people are hilariously funny, including professors (though not all). One would have to either have a high appetite for risk or be so many standard deviations to the right on the comedy bell curve that it is really not that risky. Or kind of fall into it while in college and excel.

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  143. @Anonymous
    Amerindians are Mongoloids, just as Middle Easterners and South Asians are Caucasoids. Mongoloid, Caucasoid, and Negroid are broad categories.

    Amerindians are Mongoloids, just as Middle Easterners and South Asians are Caucasoids. Mongoloid, Caucasoid, and Negroid are broad categories.

    But they aren’t the only racial categories because they do a poor job of categorizing some populations. Modern South Asians are not Caucasoids but are recent mixtures of several groups while Amerindians are not Mongoloids but people of ancient mixed origins (West and East Eurasians) with a different evolutionary path than modern East Asians.

    It would be more accurate to use terms like East Asian, Western European (or just European), and sub-Saharan African. People in South Asia, Amerinds, and Australian aborigines don’t fit neatly into the three “-oids” above.

    And below that layer, As Razib Khan is fond of writing, “Caucasoids, Mongoloids, and Negroids” are themselves hybrid populations. All major modern human population groups are.

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  144. @Rob McX
    ...in the U.S it is way more common for White people to claim Native American ancestry than it is for White people to claim Sub Saharan African ancestry.

    No doubt in some cases they were claiming Native American ancestry to hide Sub-Saharan African ancestry.

    “No doubt in some cases they were claiming Native American ancestry to hide Sub-Saharan African ancestry.”

    Usually so-called “Blacks” who passed for White during Jim Crow claimed to be some type of Mediterranean White to explain their swarthyness like George Herriman who passed as a Greek man and Gregory Howard Williams “Black” father who passed as an Italian man.

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  145. When you cross two cows of different breeds you get a lot of good things. This is an F1 cross. The bad recessives of each are held back by the good dominants of the other. Once you breed F1s with each other, however, you get a huge amount of randomness because each F1 has the recessives from two breeds to draw from. You can get all sorts of genes showing up, easy to see in the looks department. When you bring in new bulls they come from pure lines to keep those recessives under control.

    You can breed an F1 with an F1 of two different lines. You would get even more hybrid vigor. In a different species, this is roughly how industrial chickens are bred to grow so fast or lay so much. But the product of that would be even more random. It is easy enough to order some hybrid meat chickens or egg chickens for yourself and breed them if you want to see how it works.

    Not sure how well this applies to humans, which are selected in different ways. But there might be something in there for you.

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  146. I suspect you’re probably on to something, Steve, about how kids who are the product of racial mixing are liable to be genetic lottery winners in the looks department. I know anecdote isn’t data, but that lines up with my experience.

    I have four female cousins who are mixed race. Three of them are average, looks-wise, but the fourth is absolutely STUNNING. She’s so good-looking that it’s hard for me to believe she actually shares my DNA!

    She was easily elected homecoming queen AND prom queen at her mostly-white high school. She has the perfect blend of traditional white American cheerleader features with a seasoning of “exotic” ethnic characteristics — not unlike Rashida Jones, actually.

    That seems to be a pattern with the mixed-race (black/white) folks I’ve encountered over the years, actually: about three quarters of them are unremarkable, looks-wise, but a lucky fourth seem to hit the jackpot and end up with the most prized physical features of both races.

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    There are a few that are very attractive , and a fair number of them are unremarkable, but for every one of them that could be considered exceptionally attractive there are at least as many-and I believe probably two or three times as many just from what I saw from working in NYC and Atlanta for the relatively brief times I worked in those cities-who can only be described as profoundly hideous. I saw some truly repulsive specimens. Isn't the possibility that such a relationship could produce a person, through no fault of his or her own, who would be doomed to such an existence a valid factor to use in judging the correctness or incorrectness of starting such a relationship?
    , @Robbie
    So it's like normal same race marriages?

    You just said 'Most are average looking...but some are exceptional'

    So pretty much like for white people? Go to Scandinavia honey...all the white girls are exceptional.

    Americans have a bit of Irish in them and I've never seen a good looking Irish woman in my life (lived in Ireland)

    People Listen...

    Symmetry = Beauty

    Symmetry is the result of mating within a closed population

    So it's better to be Beautiful Scandinavian then it is to be Beautiful Part Black with the IQ Deficit
  147. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "Billy Joel’s daughter with Christie Brinkley looks like her father (and I suppose sings like her mother). Big genetic loser (but, hey, she’s Billy Joel’s daughter, so she doesn’t have to worry about supporting herself or finding a man)."

    I just Googled her, and she basically looks like a younger Christie Brinkley, with darker coloured hair. Not everyone finds Nordic-looking women to be our innate aesthetic superiors. I mean, its a popular choice, to be sure, but to suggest Brinkley's daughter is a "big genetic loser," based on little more than her having nearly-black hair, seems a tad ridiculous. I find her much more appealing than her mother. And yet, nearly all her individually identifiable facial features, clearly come her mother's side of the family.

    I just Googled her, and she basically looks like a younger Christie Brinkley, with darker coloured hair. Not everyone finds Nordic-looking women to be our innate aesthetic superiors. I mean, its a popular choice, to be sure, but to suggest Brinkley’s daughter is a “big genetic loser,” based on little more than her having nearly-black hair, seems a tad ridiculous. I find her much more appealing than her mother. And yet, nearly all her individually identifiable facial features, clearly come her mother’s side of the family.

    You are… delusional.

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  148. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    What comes out depends on what goes in. Some of those Amerind ancestors of the current Mexican population were people who had an insatiable enthusiasm for ripping out the hearts of still living captives on a daily basis. Part of some ‘religion’ of theirs. What can you expect from people like that?

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  149. @Mr. Blank
    I suspect you're probably on to something, Steve, about how kids who are the product of racial mixing are liable to be genetic lottery winners in the looks department. I know anecdote isn't data, but that lines up with my experience.

    I have four female cousins who are mixed race. Three of them are average, looks-wise, but the fourth is absolutely STUNNING. She's so good-looking that it's hard for me to believe she actually shares my DNA!

    She was easily elected homecoming queen AND prom queen at her mostly-white high school. She has the perfect blend of traditional white American cheerleader features with a seasoning of "exotic" ethnic characteristics -- not unlike Rashida Jones, actually.

    That seems to be a pattern with the mixed-race (black/white) folks I've encountered over the years, actually: about three quarters of them are unremarkable, looks-wise, but a lucky fourth seem to hit the jackpot and end up with the most prized physical features of both races.

    There are a few that are very attractive , and a fair number of them are unremarkable, but for every one of them that could be considered exceptionally attractive there are at least as many-and I believe probably two or three times as many just from what I saw from working in NYC and Atlanta for the relatively brief times I worked in those cities-who can only be described as profoundly hideous. I saw some truly repulsive specimens. Isn’t the possibility that such a relationship could produce a person, through no fault of his or her own, who would be doomed to such an existence a valid factor to use in judging the correctness or incorrectness of starting such a relationship?

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  150. @Taco
    I don't know Steve. If you asked me to name the three biggest interracial celebrities that I could, off the top of my head, I would say: Derek Jeter, Tiger Woods, Barack Obama. They all have considerable talent aside from their looks, and, no homo, they aren't particularly ugly.

    If they were ugly would they be celebrities? At least in the case of a politician, real ugliness could definitely be a career killer, especially in the modern age. Since the youthful Kennedy beat old basset-hound Dick Nixon, looks matter a lot.

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  151. @ Uptown Resident and others

    concerning the question whether the birth of a mixed-race child to an East-Asian women is more difficult to the women it is of course important, as others have noted, that East Asians are said to have bigger skulls. But I am not sure whether this is true. According to those references http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3602372/ the mean head size of newborn chinese children is 34 cm (circumference) while it is over 35 cm for example for new born germans. Also head size is probably not the only factor determining the probability of difficulties during birth. There is also the weight of new borns, and caucasian babies are certainly heavier.

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    @Taco

    Having lots of money and fame means non handsome men like Larry The Cable Guy and Howard Stern can punch above their weight in the dating market.
     
    Larry the Cable Guy and Howard Stern are objectively unattractive. Tiger Woods is not. Would he have hundreds (thousands?) of mistresses if he wasn't an elite athlete and a near-billionaire? No, almost certainly not. But do you really look at Tiger woods and think, "That guy fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down"?

    Nope, Tiger Woods ain’t good-looking either. Obama is better-looking, especially Woods’ smile is quite ugly (clownish and looking like a small brat). Woods does not have a very gracile or distinctive face.

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  153. @firstcomment
    I am german/swiss descent, my wife is northern asian. I am 6'4", wife is 5'7". Both our kids are tall, strong and better looking than either of us. Seem to have received the best features from both. My daughter, in particular, is constantly praised for her looks. Both are smart as hell too, maybe smarter than either of us.

    This proves nothing, of course. But a dad can brag anonymously on the internet

    We live in an area that where maybe 15% of the kids are white-asian mixed. High income, highly competitive area. The kids seem to be better looking than average. The girls/women often look Russian, which makes some sense, actually.

    You’re one of these white men who are like

    “I interracially married in order to create a New Species of Super Human!”

    Remember how Pride is a Sin?

    I’d be interested to see what the White or Asian classmates have to say about your kids…
    :) :) :)

    I know a lot of white men who think their interracial marriages are producing superior beings…

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  154. @Mr. Blank
    I suspect you're probably on to something, Steve, about how kids who are the product of racial mixing are liable to be genetic lottery winners in the looks department. I know anecdote isn't data, but that lines up with my experience.

    I have four female cousins who are mixed race. Three of them are average, looks-wise, but the fourth is absolutely STUNNING. She's so good-looking that it's hard for me to believe she actually shares my DNA!

    She was easily elected homecoming queen AND prom queen at her mostly-white high school. She has the perfect blend of traditional white American cheerleader features with a seasoning of "exotic" ethnic characteristics -- not unlike Rashida Jones, actually.

    That seems to be a pattern with the mixed-race (black/white) folks I've encountered over the years, actually: about three quarters of them are unremarkable, looks-wise, but a lucky fourth seem to hit the jackpot and end up with the most prized physical features of both races.

    So it’s like normal same race marriages?

    You just said ‘Most are average looking…but some are exceptional’

    So pretty much like for white people? Go to Scandinavia honey…all the white girls are exceptional.

    Americans have a bit of Irish in them and I’ve never seen a good looking Irish woman in my life (lived in Ireland)

    People Listen…

    Symmetry = Beauty

    Symmetry is the result of mating within a closed population

    So it’s better to be Beautiful Scandinavian then it is to be Beautiful Part Black with the IQ Deficit

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  155. Steve, I have the solution for the 1960s!!

    It’s Hybrid Vigor….whites from different F1 strains mated…but then there were no more Pure Blooded strains to mate with….so recessive genes poked through on the next generation leading to some good old American Crazy…

    The 1960s!!

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  156. @Uptown Resident
    Whenever I see tall white men with toy Asian wives I lament the waste of height, and I wonder if the man had considered how his choice of mate might impact the size and girth of any sons resulting from their union.

    A friend is Chinese, 5’0”, husband English and 6’4″. Three sons and a daughter, all about 5’10″, so not a huge height loss.

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    A six inch loss is a 6 inch LOSS

    And over time the losses will deepen as interracial children are less likely to marry back into the Pure Race

    Ala Chrissy Teigan

    Or marry at all (being mixed race makes it hard to find quality future mates...Most mixed race people don't marry and those who do I don't think marry up)

    If children are for your own amusement then one generation of slight loss is not a big deal...But if children are the continuation of a culture/race/nation then yeah...you're messing up when you interracially marry because over time your kids will be on the downward evolutionary track as they continue to marry out and lower each time

    , @Tony
    What about the horizontal height of the 3 sons if you know what I mean? Marrying an Asian can have a detrimental effect on that.
  157. @firstcomment
    I am german/swiss descent, my wife is northern asian. I am 6'4", wife is 5'7". Both our kids are tall, strong and better looking than either of us. Seem to have received the best features from both. My daughter, in particular, is constantly praised for her looks. Both are smart as hell too, maybe smarter than either of us.

    This proves nothing, of course. But a dad can brag anonymously on the internet

    We live in an area that where maybe 15% of the kids are white-asian mixed. High income, highly competitive area. The kids seem to be better looking than average. The girls/women often look Russian, which makes some sense, actually.

    And Russia is a third world country :)

    (I’m pro-Russian…but let’s be honest…no one chooses to move to Ukraine/Russia…the upper class Russians are pure nordics…while the lower class are the more brown slavic types)

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  158. @Anonymous Nephew
    A friend is Chinese, 5'0'', husband English and 6'4". Three sons and a daughter, all about 5'10", so not a huge height loss.

    A six inch loss is a 6 inch LOSS

    And over time the losses will deepen as interracial children are less likely to marry back into the Pure Race

    Ala Chrissy Teigan

    Or marry at all (being mixed race makes it hard to find quality future mates…Most mixed race people don’t marry and those who do I don’t think marry up)

    If children are for your own amusement then one generation of slight loss is not a big deal…But if children are the continuation of a culture/race/nation then yeah…you’re messing up when you interracially marry because over time your kids will be on the downward evolutionary track as they continue to marry out and lower each time

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  159. 6 inches is half a foot

    That’s like Me versus Mexicans

    Half a Foot Loss is A LOT…especially when other people Don’t Have the Loss

    If you compare yourself to a vacuum…who cares about 6 inches?

    If you compare yourself with similar people who did not interracially marry…whose kids then are 6’2-6’4 then your kids are at a disadvantage

    There’s a lot of hand waving with interracial marriage…”oh it’s not so bad”

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  160. @Reg Cæsar

    Art is a bit iffier.Jewish prohibitions on images prevented strong traditions in sculpture or painting from emerging
     
    The success of Gehry and Libeskind in architecture can be explained more by a collapse in goyish taste.


    However, their accomplishments in music and painting are pretty meager when compared to what the Germans, Italians, and Dutch have done.
     
    Dutch music? Focus? Golden Earring? Tee Set? Shocking Blue!

    Nobody approaches the Italians and Germans (/Austrians) in music. But the English have a decent record in folk ditties, noëls, and rock-and-roll. In America, WASPs beat everyone but Jews in Tin Pan Alley.

    Englishmen excelled in landscapes, and America had the Hudson River and Boston Schools, so Anglo-Saxons were hardly shut out in painting.

    Dutch music? Focus? Golden Earring? Tee Set? Shocking Blue!

    I suppose that I should have composed my sentence more carefully, but I assumed that most people would know that, in reference to the Dutch, I was talking about painting (Rembrandt, van Eyck, etc), not music.For that matter, I also assumed that people would be able to figure out that, in reference to Germany, I was talking about composers, not painters.

    Nobody approaches the Italians and Germans (/Austrians) in music. But the English have a decent record in folk ditties, noëls, and rock-and-roll. In America, WASPs beat everyone but Jews in Tin Pan Alley.

    Which is my point.No Anglo cracks Murray’s list of giants in music (Human Accomplishment, 134)

    Englishmen excelled in landscapes, and America had the Hudson River and Boston Schools, so Anglo-Saxons were hardly shut out in painting.

    Of course Anglos have produced significant (to use Murray’s word) painters, but they have not produced giants.Cf 137 of Human Accomplishment.No Anglo makes the list of giants in Western Painting.

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  161. Ok I’ll say it…

    Do you notice how we focus on the interracial children’s looks? Whether they are hot or not?

    That says a lot about our society and our values now in the age of DailyMail photo ops and Miley Cyrus. Once women and men had Qualities…Honesty, Virtue, Self-Control, Discipline, Intelligence, Loyalty…

    I’m younger than a lot of people here, and I know quite a few interracial people. My opinion is that they are lacking in the values…(those superior being half-asians included and make up the majority of my sample)…and I’m not the only person who notices…because a few nasty internet searches using say the word ‘whore’ will get you many nice hits from people like me who notice patterns

    The Amish and their ‘Plainness’ may be on to something…

    There are many, many websites and discussion boards from Hapa’s who have issues…the boys hate their asian mothers, the white looking girls hate their white dads AND asian mothers (Imagine being a white looking female who is the product of wm/af and know that your father hates white women…aka You?…Yeah…)

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    What do you get when you cross a pervert with no social graces with a woman who will have sex with someone for the chance to leave her own country? Both of whom will sleep with anyone provided they have functioning genitalia, and don't care that their kids won't fit in. Not the case always but describes a lot of mail order families.
  162. @Jefferson
    "Amerinds are not Mongoloids:"

    Yes they are Mongoloids. Amerindians are certainly not Caucasoids. That is why there are sometimes phenotype overlap between pure Amerindians and Southeast Asians but ZERO phenotype overlap between pure Amerindians and White people.

    “Amerinds are not Mongoloids:”

    Yes they are Mongoloids. Amerindians are certainly not Caucasoids. That is why there are sometimes phenotype overlap between pure Amerindians and Southeast Asians but ZERO phenotype overlap between pure Amerindians and White people.

    On the “Continental” race level, you typically see a grouping more or less like this: Amerind, East Eurasian/Mongoloid, West Eurasian/Caucasoid, Australoid, etc

    Obviously, it’s possible to group Amerinds with East Eurasians (Race can be scaled up or scaled down), but it seems to make more sense to assign them a separate category.It’s certainly more useful.

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  163. @drconatus
    I'm aware of the papers. The problem is that they rely on using modern populations as proxies for ancient ones. Lots is being rewritten with the very recent explosion of ancient DNA data -- I wouldn't be surprised at some unexpected results once we have samples from the middle east.

    Personally, fwiw, I do think Ashkenazis have "European" mixture. I just think it's much less than the ~55% that's been suggested. I respect Dr. Cochran a lot and enjoy his writing tremendously, but in this case I must disagree. Anyways we should find out soon enough.

    I’m aware of the papers. The problem is that they rely on using modern populations as proxies for ancient ones. Lots is being rewritten with the very recent explosion of ancient DNA data — I wouldn’t be surprised at some unexpected results once we have samples from the middle east.

    Always a possibility, I suppose.

    Personally, fwiw, I do think Ashkenazis have “European” mixture. I just think it’s much less than the ~55% that’s been suggested. I respect Dr. Cochran a lot and enjoy his writing tremendously, but in this case I must disagree. Anyways we should find out soon enough.

    The 50% figure for European admixture seems quite sound to me.Granted, it probably disturbs some extreme Jewish nationalist types to find out that the Ashkenazi maternal line is European, not ancestrally Israelite.But those are the breaks

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    • Replies: @gcochran
    Almost all , >80%, Ashkenazi mtDNA is European, largely from Italy and southern France. That's unambiguous.
  164. @Anonymous
    Steve,

    Have you noticed how biracials tend to have elevated mental health problems? From what I've
    observed of public and private individuals biracial people (either white and Black or White and Asian hybrids) suffer from depression, schizophrenia, and bipolar more often than average. Any relevant studies in the literature? anybody?

    My opinion is that people who marry out of race tend to carry genes for some variant wich can correlates with mental health stuff. Like, immigrants tend to be more adventures and more ”adhd-like” in some aspects. Novelty seeking.

    If non-so-mutant people marry out of race, this correlation may be reduced.

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  165. @drconatus
    I'm aware of the papers. The problem is that they rely on using modern populations as proxies for ancient ones. Lots is being rewritten with the very recent explosion of ancient DNA data -- I wouldn't be surprised at some unexpected results once we have samples from the middle east.

    Personally, fwiw, I do think Ashkenazis have "European" mixture. I just think it's much less than the ~55% that's been suggested. I respect Dr. Cochran a lot and enjoy his writing tremendously, but in this case I must disagree. Anyways we should find out soon enough.

    “Personally, fwiw, I do think Ashkenazis have “European” mixture. I just think it’s much less than the ~55% that’s been suggested. ”

    I don’t think it is much less than suggested. Why is it that blue eyes are way more common among Ashkenazis than it is among Arabs? it’s because Ashkenazis have significantly more European admixture than Arabs who tend to be pure Middle Easterners. There is a reason why Ashkenazis do not look like Osama Bin Laden and that is because of their significant Euro admixture.

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  166. @pyrrhus
    No evidence that there was a bottleneck, but lots of evidence of extreme inbreeding in the Ashkenazi community over a period of many centuries. The "bottleneck" theory is just a lame attempt to divert attention from the inbreeding and the resulting plethora of genetic diseases in Ashkenazi.....In my direct experience, there are a huge number of children affected by such unfortunate conditions in our area, which has a very substantial Ashkenazi population.

    Combo energetic (psychopathic-like-ish) ashkenazi (average) personality + extreme inbreeding may can be one of the fundamental causes to higher incidence of genetic problems among them and not just inbreeding.

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  167. According to this article, women who self identify as Non Hispanic Native American have the highest interracial marriage rate out of all of the demographic groups in America. 61 percent of Native American female newlyweds married a male spouse outside of their race in 2014.

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/06/12/interracial-marriage-who-is-marrying-out/

    I know Gavin McInnes has a Native American wife, although all of his kids look White. So I assume his self identifying Native American wife also has significant Caucasoid ancestry.

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  168. WhatEvvs [AKA "Prada Yada Yada"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Massimo Heitor

    But we don’t see much of the unlucky losers (unless they have a lot of talent besides looks).

    However, here’s a rare photo of Richard Pryor with his comedienne daughter Rain Pryor.
     
    Rain Pryor isn't a supermodel and her hair looks like sideshow bob, but she is a pretty girl. This hot-or-not comment seems somewhat childish for Sailer

    Demi Moore & Bruce Willis’ daughters are homely.

    Rashida’s mother was the beautiful Eskimo, Peggy Lipton:

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/31/3b/0d/313b0d583b1aa6928bf8706272568ea0.jpg

    She and Michelle Phillips were the quintessential 60s blonde chicks. But she’s aged better than Michelle.

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  169. Increased Infectious Disease Susceptibility Resulting from Outbreeding Depression

    Abstract: The mechanisms by which outbreeding depression leads to reduced fitness are poorly understood. We considered the hypothesis that outbreeding can depress fitness by increasing the susceptibility of hybrid individuals and populations to infectious disease. Competitive breeding trials in experimental ponds indicated that outbred largemouth bass ( Micropterus salmoides) crossed from two geographically and genetically distinct populations suffered a reduction in fitness of approximately 14% relative to parental stocks. We measured the comparative susceptibility of these same outbred stocks to a novel viral pathogen, largemouth bass virus. Following experimental inoculation, F2 generation hybrids suffered mortality at a rate 3.6 times higher than either F1 generation hybrids or wild-type parental fish. Analysis of viral loads indicated that viral replication was more rapid in F2 fish than in F1 hybrids or wild-type parental fish. We attribute these results to the disruption of coadapted gene complexes in the immune systems of outbred fish in the F2 generation. Increased susceptibility to infectious disease may be an important but underappreciated mechanism by which outbreeding reduces the fitness of individuals and populations and by which novel infectious diseases emerge in populations of hybrid organisms.

    Dutch Study: Schizophrenia Risk Higher In Mixed Neighbourhoods (sorry, no link to original, which has been spiked)

    Amsterdam (dpa) – Migrants in the Netherlands who live in neighbourhoods with a mixed Dutch-migrant population run a higher risk of developing schizophrenia than those in migrant-only neighbourhoods, according to a Dutch study published on Monday.

    Researcher Wim Veling of Dutch mental health care provider Parnassia Navo Group found that the chances of developing schizophrenia doubled for Surinamese and Turks and multiplied by four for Moroccans if they lived in mixed Dutch-migrant residential areas.

    It has been known for a while that immigrants run a higher risk of developing schizophrenia than locals.

    Mixed-race children ‘are being failed’ in treatment of mental health problems

    The report found that those with mixed-race backgrounds were more at risk of mental health issues

    Health and Behavior Risks of Adolescents with Mixed-Race Identity

    Results. Mixed-race adolescents showed higher risk when compared with single-race adolescents on general health questions, school experience, smoking and drinking, and other risk variables.

    Conclusions. Adolescents who self-identify as more than 1 race are at higher health and behavior risks. The findings are compatible with interpreting the elevated risk of mixed race as associated with stress.

    Study: Mixed-Race Youth Have Health Woes

    WASHINGTON (AP) _ Students who consider themselves of more than one race are more likely to feel depressed, have trouble sleeping, skip school, smoke and drink alcohol, a study says.

    Based on national surveys of 90,000 middle school and high school students, the study found that young people of mixed race are at higher risk for stress-related health problems.

    The study found that mixed-race students, compared with single-race students who share part of their racial makeup, were more likely to report having sex at younger ages, having access to guns, getting drunk, considering suicide and suffering various aches and pains.

    Yet in other types of characteristics _ including grades, verbal ability and parents’ education _ the study found that mixed-race students tend to fall between the single-race adolescents who shared part of their background. For example, Asian students had higher grade-point averages than whites, and children with both Asian and white parents had averages between those two peer groups.

    Multiracial youth more prone to violence (sorry, no link, this one has been spiked. I’ve got the original article saved on my hard drive)

    May 1, 2006
    Multiracial youth more prone to violence
    By Jonathan Jay Gibian
    U.S. scientists say multiracial middle school youths are significantly more likely to engage in violence and substance use than are single-race youths.

    Researchers from the University of Chicago and the University of Washington also found perceived racial discrimination in schools and home neighborhoods puts adolescents at risk for such problems.

    However, the study suggests a strong, positive ethnic identity can shield some multiracial youth from behavior problems.

    Among the findings, the study found multiracial adolescents were significantly more likely than white, black or Asian-American youth to have smoked cigarettes. The figures were 38 percent less for whites, 32 percent less for blacks and 51 percent less for Asian-Americans.

    Similarly, whites, blacks and Asian-Americans were 45 percent, 30 percent and 65 percent less likely, in that order, to have ever consumed alcohol than multiracial youngsters.

    When it came to violent behaviors such as carrying a weapon, being in a fight or threatening to stab someone, multiracial youth again were significantly more likely to report having engaged in such activities than were whites or Asian-Americans. Fewer differences were found between multiracial and black youths.

    The study is published in the American Journal of Orthopsychiatry.

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    Bi-racial bone marrow hard to find

    This year’s historic election illustrates just how diverse our nation is. But experts say you’d never know that by looking at who’s registered to donate bone marrow. One local woman’s mixed heritage sheds the spotlight on another growing group of individuals in desperate need.

    But being half white and half Japanese has put her in a unique situation. In April, Krissy was diagnosed with myelodysplastic syndrome.

    “They immediately tested my brother and it was devastating when we found out he was not a match,” said Krissy.

    Each year, of the 10,000 to 15,000 patients who need an unrelated bone marrow match only a quarter find one. The odds are much worse for Krissy because she’s bi-racial.

    Of the seven million people in the National Marrow Donor Program only 180,000 have multi-racial backgrounds.

    “The larger the donor pool the better chance for finding a match,” said Jimmy Loon.

    Multiracial patients have tough battle to find marrow matches

    The hopes of his parents, both doctors in San Jose, Calif., immediately turned to a bone marrow transplant, but they soon learned some distressing news — Luke’s ethnic heritage made him a tough match.

    Sarah Gaskins, Luke’s mother, has Japanese and European ancestors and his father, Lam Do, is Vietnamese-American. Because bone marrow matches usually are made with a relative or someone with the same racial or ethnic background as the patient, multiracial people rarely have success.

    “It’s tragic,” said Lam Do, who specializes in internal medicine. “Your chance of finding a donor is so low, it’s like winning the lottery. And most people are unaware of this.”

    Only 2% of those who list their ancestry with the National Marrow Donor Program are multiracial, though the NMDP will — for the first time — study multiracial patients’ medical records this year to better understand what kind of marrow tissue they tend to inherit from their parents. The group also will try to more effectively recruit new potential donors, said Helen Ng, an NMDP spokeswoman.

    Today, whites in need of a bone marrow transplant have about a 90% chance of finding a match, said Dr. Patrick Beatty, an oncologist with the Montana Cancer Specialists in Missoula, Mont., who researches ancestry and bone marrow. For those who aren’t white, “your chances of getting a match are pretty remote,” he said.

    The biological reason has to do with the body’s response to infections, Beatty said. Because the world’s ancient peoples were exposed to different diseases over millennia, each group developed different tissue antigens, substances that help fight illness.

    The descendants of these peoples retain those highly varied tissue antigens, he said, making it tough to match the bone marrow of individuals from different ancestries.

    11-year-old ‘Lion King’ actress dies from leukemia

    Shannon Tavarez, the 11-year-old who starred on Broadway in “The Lion King” and whose battle with leukemia won the hearts of many, including Alicia Keys, Rihanna and 50 Cent, has died.

    Her doctor, Dr. Larry Wolfe, said that a perfect bone marrow match for Shannon could not be found.

    The search for a match was especially daunting because Shannon’s mother is African-American and her father is Hispanic, from the Dominican Republic. For bone marrow transplants, minorities and those of mixed ancestry have a more difficult time finding good matches because there aren’t as many people from those groups signed up as potential donors.

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    Bone marrow transplants started in the 60s. They weren't available to anyone before then. It'd be interesting to find out who is more susceptible to leukemia in the first place.
    , @Brutusale
    Yeah, baseball Hall of Famer Rod Carew's daughter's death from leukemia in 1996 that was really the first I remember concerning difficulties finding marrow matches for mixed-race children. Rod is Afro-Panamanian and his (first) wife was a Russian Jew.
  170. Algerians should be tops in everything since they are racially mixed.

    I wonder why they are all trying to flee to Europe.

    Most race-mixed regions in the world:

    Central Asia
    Latin America
    North Africa

    Viva la miscegenation.

    A cursory spot check indicates that half-Jews are at least as successful, if not more so than full Jews. Obviously there’s a lot of selection affects here. And outbreeding Jews probably are mating with the upper half of the gentile bell curve. Still even with that, regression to the lower gentile mean should disadvantage half-Ashkenazi offspring. The most plausible explanation is that hybrid vigor is counteracting this effect.

    That’s interesting, but it doesn’t get at “hybrid vigor” the way miscegenationists use it. They use it to mean not “when hybrids are vigorous,” but “hybrids are vigorous.”

    I think “Central Asia, Latin America, North Africa” is the only answer we really need for that statement.

    Ashkenazi Jews are a very racially mixed population. Are they a good example of hybrid vigor?

    Wrong venue. This is 100% true (even according to many Jews) in “normal” spaces, where Dieversity & Amalgamation reign. But this is 100% untrue here at iSteve (even according to many Jews), where an entirely different audience is being appealed to. If you want to see Jews bragging about their own Diversity, you’ll have to go find an audience that wants to hear it. Never let a little thing like the truth get in the way of a good yarn.

    Well, White monoracial British ”kids” also are taller than their ”ancestors”. Smarter too??

    I don’t see how an article like that can be published without the using the term, “Flynn Effect.” Lefties usually love to go on and on about the Flynn Effect.

    Mixed race relationships give us mulatto messiah hopeychangers like Baraq Obama.

    The truth of Hussein’s mulatto messiah status is that it has everything to do with everyone but Obama himself. If you could have dropped Hussein into a white skin at an early age, he’d have grown up to be a bank manager or somesuch.

    Cochran disagrees; he says that they are an example of what happens when an ethny is confined confines itself to “White Collar” jobs (money-lending, estate management, tax-farming) for over one thousand years.

    FIFY. I’ve been “confining” myself to money-lending and tax-farming lately. Eventually I’ll wiggle out from under the oppression and confine myself to manipulating opinions.

    Black/white hybrid vigor is real at the extremes. Lewis Hamilton is half-white and half-black and is the best racing driver in the world. He is unbelievably good. There are other halfies in the middling ranks who do well. However, to my knowledge, there are no good pure black drivers. Black people have a lot of great talents from musicality to improvisation, when you match those to some of the finer traits found in whites, the results can be spectacular.

    That would make sense, if race car driving were dominated by hybrids, and not whites.

    The best basketball players and the best mathematicians per capita seem to be black Americans and Ashkenazim, both of whom are sort of hybrid populations. American blacks have something like 20% white admixture on average, and they’re better at basketball than pure whites or pure blacks from Africa.

    The best basketball players and mathematicians per capita are black Americans and Ashkenazi Jews. They have mixed origins and outperform their ancestral stocks. Black Americans outperform both West Africans and Europeans in basketball, and Ashkenazi Jews outperform other Jews and Europeans in mathematics.

    (This thought was so important, he posted it twice)

    I’ve long held that these two Master Races should amalgamate and produce the Ultimate Master Race. Not many takers, unfortunately; Jews are so ashamed of how few of their kind marry blacks that they sweep the statistics under the rug year in, year out.

    Art is a bit iffier.Jewish prohibitions on images prevented strong traditions in sculpture or painting from emerging.Offhand, I can’t think of too many highly regarded Jewish painters.Modigliani, a few others, maybe

    If that’s the case, it’s a pretty enduring effect.

    But do you really look at Tiger woods and think, “That guy fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down”?

    Now there’s a ringing endorsement.

    Twin and adoption studies prove that “ethnic nepotism” accounts for a de minimis proportion of economic success. Otherwise we would see significant statistical relationships for shared environment. Almost all explainable Jewish success, like virtually any success in modern society, is genetically attributable.

    Ship has sailed on this one. The IQ & population numbers do not bear this out (at all) for the entertainment biz. And then there’s the fact that you if you want Hollywood to read your application, you’d better put a Jewish surname on top of it (funny how academia hasn’t touched the subject of this informal study with a barge pole; some data isn’t wanted).

    When you cross two cows of different breeds you get a lot of good things. This is an F1 cross. The bad recessives of each are held back by the good dominants of the other. Once you breed F1s with each other, however, you get a huge amount of randomness because each F1 has the recessives from two breeds to draw from. You can get all sorts of genes showing up, easy to see in the looks department. When you bring in new bulls they come from pure lines to keep those recessives under control.

    You can breed an F1 with an F1 of two different lines. You would get even more hybrid vigor. In a different species, this is roughly how industrial chickens are bred to grow so fast or lay so much. But the product of that would be even more random. It is easy enough to order some hybrid meat chickens or egg chickens for yourself and breed them if you want to see how it works.

    Not sure how well this applies to humans, which are selected in different ways. But there might be something in there for you.

    One thing that’s really, REALLY not needed here is an understanding of the actual, real-world context for stuff like “hybrid vigor.” No, sir.

    Taking even the most basic fundamentals from the context from which terms like “hybrid vigor” arise would be very, very, very bad for the Miscegenation & Amalgamation Agenda. Just look at that one concept, FFS: “holding pure breeds in reserve.” That’s sixmilliondeadjews, right there! Thank God lefties control the bullhorn, eh?

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    Ashkenazi Jews are a very racially mixed population. Are they a good example of hybrid vigor?

    Wrong venue. This is 100% true (even according to many Jews) in “normal” spaces, where Dieversity & Amalgamation reign. But this is 100% untrue here at iSteve (even according to many Jews), where an entirely different audience is being appealed to. If you want to see Jews bragging about their own Diversity, you’ll have to go find an audience that wants to hear it. Never let a little thing like the truth get in the way of a good yarn.
     
    It depends on the scale of the metric used.By Continental-scale metrics (West Eurasian/Caucasoid, East Eurasian/Mongoloid, etc), it doesn't count.On that scale, it's intra-racial.If you employ smaller scale metrics (Northern European, Southern European, etc), then it counts.
    , @Anonymous

    (This thought was so important, he posted it twice)

    I’ve long held that these two Master Races should amalgamate and produce the Ultimate Master Race. Not many takers, unfortunately; Jews are so ashamed of how few of their kind marry blacks that they sweep the statistics under the rug year in, year out.
     
    I don't think it's that important, but dominance in basketball and mathematics does seem notable and interesting enough that it was the subject and title of this blog post. It is sort of interesting how much better American blacks are at basketball than West Africans and Europeans. You'd think West Africans would be somewhat similar but they're not. And many of them are mulattoes or mulatto types like this year's NBA MVP and Finals winner, Steph Curry.
    , @syonredux

    Wrong venue. This is 100% true (even according to many Jews) in “normal” spaces, where Dieversity & Amalgamation reign. But this is 100% untrue here at iSteve (even according to many Jews), where an entirely different audience is being appealed to. If you want to see Jews bragging about their own Diversity, you’ll have to go find an audience that wants to hear it. Never let a little thing like the truth get in the way of a good yarn.
     
    There's also the question of timescale as well.If a "hybridizing" event occurred thousands of years ago, can we still count their modern day descendants as hybrids? The fusion of ASI and ANI in India occurred well over three thousand years ago.Are modern day South Asians still a hybrid population?And Europeans are also the product of ancient blendings and mergers:

    Modern Europeans can be thought of as compounds. The first element are a set of populations which descend from, or are genetically very close in nature to, Mesolithic hunter-gatherers who likely descend from groups extant during the late Pleistocene on the fringes of the continent. The second element seems to be a population which is an outgroup to all other non-Africans. That is, this group diverged from the ancestors, jointly, of European Mesolithic hunter-gatherers, the people which gave rise of the Mal’ta boy, as well as Oceanians, East Asians and Andaman Islanders. Like the “Ancestral South Indians” my impression is that this group does not exist in “pure” form today, but rather must be inferred. As this 40 thousand year old individual from Peştera cu Oase, Romania, is no closer to Europeans than to East Asians, it seems implausible that it was ancestral in any substantial fraction to modern Europeans. The third element has affinities to central Eurasian groups.
     
    http://www.unz.com/gnxp/the-false-dawn-of-modern-humans-in-eurasia/#comments
    , @syonredux

    I’ve long held that these two Master Races should amalgamate and produce the Ultimate Master Race. Not many takers, unfortunately; Jews are so ashamed of how few of their kind marry blacks that they sweep the statistics under the rug year in, year out.
     
    Of course, the Israelis are doing their best to make sure that Black birthrates are as low as possible:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/28/ethiopian-women-given-contraceptives-israel
  171. Rain Pryor isn’t a supermodel and her hair looks like sideshow bob, but she is a pretty girl. This hot-or-not comment seems somewhat childish for Sailer

    Yes, leftists hate playing fair. They blame black failure on whites – and line up white children to take the fall for black failure in perpetuity – then accuse whites of “racism” when they seek to defend themselves by pointing out that black failure is consistent with black ability. Like it’s white non-leftists’ fault that leftists make false accusations against whites, and base huge wealth transfers and other socially disruptive measures on those false accusations.

    Same thing with the “benefits” of miscegenation. Leftists print books saying that miscegenation (which the authors themselves rarely engage in, mind) produces superior children, claim that miscegenation must be the One True Way because Halle Berry, then cry foul when someone says it must not be good because Rain Pryor.

    It’s never leftists fault when they start wars, incite violence, open huge cans of worms, etc.

    Everything is always someone else’s fault.

    I have to agree with you. Steve was acting very juvenile to comment on Rain’s appearance. She looks like her father, but that should not surprise anyone who believes that we inherit our genes from our parents. She has done nothing to deserve to be held up to ridicule. Fratty behavior. Shame, shame, Steve.

    Well, there’s the rest of the miscegenation posse heard from. Take-home message from the miscegenation posse: we should be ashamed for defending ourselves. Anyone with any human kindness at all lets leftists just walk all over him. Do it for the children, or puppies and kittens, or whatever.

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    If Rain was sticking it in the camera, a la Tori Spelling or Sandra Bernhard, I could see making fun of her. She is not. One rule I was raised by is that you never point out the obvious. If you have a friend who actually is retarded, you don't call him a retard. You save that for your non-retarded, best buddy. Rain Pryor has probably suffered over looking just like her father. It was extremely unnecessary for Steve to point out, in a public forum, that Rain might not be the most attractive example of mixed raced blending. However, we have Hallie Berry and Alicia Keyes to more than balance her out. You don't have to be a lefty to know that making fun of people's looks is cruel. You just have to be a decent person who was raised by decent people. It is in no way conservative to condemn people for things they are not responsible for.
  172. RASHIDA: But it was different with our grandparents. Our dad’s father died before we were born. We didn’t see our dad’s mother often. I felt comfortable with Mommy’s parents, who’d come to love my dad like a son. Kidada wasn’t so comfortable with them. I felt Jewish; Kidada didn’t.

    “I felt Jewish.” Not “white.” How very odd.

    PEGGY: Kidada never wanted to be white.

    “Never wanted to be white.” Not “Jewish. Again, how very odd.

    Cute example of the game many Jews play with their race. When X is rejected as a bad thing, it’s “white”; when it’s accepted as a good thing, it’s “Jewish.”

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    RASHIDA: But it was different with our grandparents. Our dad’s father died before we were born. We didn’t see our dad’s mother often. I felt comfortable with Mommy’s parents, who’d come to love my dad like a son. Kidada wasn’t so comfortable with them. I felt Jewish; Kidada didn’t.

    “I felt Jewish.” Not “white.” How very odd.
     
    Sub-text is everything.She can't bring herself to say that she felt Jewish because she looked White.

    PEGGY: Kidada never wanted to be white.

    “Never wanted to be white.” Not “Jewish. Again, how very odd.
     
    But telling.The sub-text is that being White and being Jewish are linked.



    Indeed, some people have argued that Sammy Davis Jr's conversion to Judaism was an exercise in trans-racialism avant la lettre:

    For Davis, the important thing was getting to hang around with famous white people. In fact, one inconvenient obstacle between Davis and an engaged black identity was that he wished he were white. That charge is usually leveled by blacks at one another out of malice; but in Davis’s case, it was simple fact. “Damn, I wish I weren’t black!” he reported crying to himself sometimes when he encountered bigotry. He was fond of affecting an English accent. Black performers rarely imitated whites when Davis hit the big time; in his case, it seems that imitation was indeed the sincerest form of flattery.

    [......]

    The conversion to Judaism was just more of this white fever.
     
    http://www.city-journal.org/2010/20_2_urb-sammy-davis-jr.html
  173. @Nathan Wartooth
    I'm a fan of The Office and for a long time I was convinced Rashida Jones was a white chick who just had a dark tan.

    There is even a scene where Micheal Scott makes a joke about not knowing what race she belongs to.

    Man, this is a good post/comment thread.

    I’m a fan of The Office and for a long time I was convinced Rashida Jones was a white chick who just had a dark tan.

    Ditto. Even after someone told me that she was Quincy Jones’ daughter, I had to do a triple take. “Huh? The cute chick with the green eyes? Seriously?” So I did an image search for Quincy Jones, and looked at the color photos. He appears to be light skinned and his eyes look almost hazel, suggesting a little more than the average ~20% admixture of Euro DNA found in most American blacks. I’m sure there’s a lot of long forgotten wisdom about phenotypes, and terms like “quadroon” and “octaroon” were once used for a reason, but the whole thing makes me question whether or not the “one drop rule” was such a good idea. Hindsight being 20/20 and all, would race relations be healthier in this country if the powers that were just said, “Once you hit the 75% mark, you’re officially white”?

    Isn’t it ‘heightist’ to say being taller is better than being short? Time for Dwarfs and midgets to have Tiny Pride Parade.

    So long as they 86 the speedos and assless chaps, more power to ‘em.

    Classic example of when a masculine man has an ogre daughter. Some families have genetics that favor the men and hurt the women. Other families have genetics that favor the women and hurt the men.

    Lolz. I remember Steve posting something a while back about this. There was an anecdote involving acquaintances of his who had a handsome lantern-jawed son and a handsome lantern-jawed daughter. Manipulating the human genome and “designer babies” have been a somewhat recurring theme around here. If the technology ever goes mass market, it’s probably reasonable to assume that the most frequent “enhancements” will merely serve to amplify sexual dimorphism.

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    @Anonymous
    The best basketball players and mathematicians per capita are black Americans and Ashkenazi Jews. They have mixed origins and outperform their ancestral stocks. Black Americans outperform both West Africans and Europeans in basketball, and Ashkenazi Jews outperform other Jews and Europeans in mathematics.

    “They have mixed origins and outperform their ancestral stocks.”

    So, is interracial supremacism okay?

    Maybe Nazi invasion of Russia would have been morally justified if Germans had intended to rape Russian women to produce a superior hybrid race that would then rightfully rule the world.

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  175. @Michelle
    I have to agree with you. Steve was acting very juvenile to comment on Rain's appearance. She looks like her father, but that should not surprise anyone who believes that we inherit our genes from our parents. She has done nothing to deserve to be held up to ridicule. Fratty behavior. Shame, shame, Steve.

    She has done nothing to deserve to be held up to ridicule.

    Waaah! Steve Sailer wrote something objectively true but unflattering – the horror!

    Good grief, iSteve is one of the last places around where Truth may be told without PC censorship or busybody hand-wringing shrews wailing about hurt feelings. Here he simply cited an unattractive woman as a contrast to an attractive woman. He didn’t “ridicule” her. There were no jokes about, “why the long face.” He didn’t wonder if Pryor was cuckolded by Mr Ed.

    The Truth is that is one seriously homely horse-faced female. If that reality is too upsetting to bear, maybe there is a good blog in Braille you could peruse?

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    That's true but censorship goes both ways as links to Billy Joel's daughter's pre-plastic surgery pics are censored here.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Waaah! Steve Sailer wrote something objectively true…
     

    Here he simply cited an unattractive woman as a contrast to an attractive woman.
     
    Make up your mind. Was it objective, or subjective?
    , @Massimo Heitor

    Waaah! Steve Sailer wrote something objectively true but unflattering – the horror!
     
    Beauty is subjective, but even if the ugly comments were objective and accurate, it's just mean for no purpose.

    Sailer points out that Puerto Ricans have low academic test scores. That is offensive, but it serves a real purpose, and is important to understanding the world. Calling a comedian ugly serves no important purpose and is just catty.

    Steve Sailer is an amazing thinker, but he's not a super model, and it would be childish and mean to highlight that for no reason.

  176. Hybrid vigor means when a white woman miscegenates with a black man, the black man’s mixed-meat children will be more attractive and intelligent than if he had stayed with his species, so it’s a winning strategy for him. But for a white woman, it means her children are uglier and dumber than if she had stayed with her species, plus they will always identify as black, never white, so she in essence commits genetic and cultural suicide.

    I consider it a great honor whenever I see a black man with a white woman: his desire for a white woman is a tacit admission that whites are a superior species to blacks and that he desires the best for his children, because it takes a white dick to make a white chick…. every time. A black man can never create one of those white women he desires so fiercely.

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  177. @syonredux

    I’m aware of the papers. The problem is that they rely on using modern populations as proxies for ancient ones. Lots is being rewritten with the very recent explosion of ancient DNA data — I wouldn’t be surprised at some unexpected results once we have samples from the middle east.
     
    Always a possibility, I suppose.

    Personally, fwiw, I do think Ashkenazis have “European” mixture. I just think it’s much less than the ~55% that’s been suggested. I respect Dr. Cochran a lot and enjoy his writing tremendously, but in this case I must disagree. Anyways we should find out soon enough.
     
    The 50% figure for European admixture seems quite sound to me.Granted, it probably disturbs some extreme Jewish nationalist types to find out that the Ashkenazi maternal line is European, not ancestrally Israelite.But those are the breaks

    Almost all , >80%, Ashkenazi mtDNA is European, largely from Italy and southern France. That’s unambiguous.

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    Almost all , >80%, Ashkenazi mtDNA is European, largely from Italy and southern France. That’s unambiguous.
     
    I agree.I think that claims that Ashkenazi Jews are not around 50% European are hard to take seriously.
    , @Ivy
    What does the mtDNA provenance do to the issue of 'Jewish by virtue of the mother'?
    Is it plausible that there were a lot of breaks in the maternal chain over the centuries, thereby casting some doubt on whether that remains a defensible position? Or does conversion negate any prior breaks for purposes of ethnic continuity?
  178. “(e.g., Quincey Jones’ daughter Rashida Jones)” – she apparently had plastic surgery.

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  179. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anon
    Algerians should be tops in everything since they are racially mixed.

    I wonder why they are all trying to flee to Europe.

    How well observed! It is true that we take much pride in the achievements of St Augustine, Zidane and others. Having some genes that came from across the sea and others from across the deserts to the East and South, we can’t complain about being genetic isolates but it is true that most our roots are local. Of course, I understand the sarcasm and racial hatred ingrained in your comment but I hope that this response will stimulate you to learn more about a subject in which you wish to express your opinion. As regards immigration, it is an unfortunate result of the continuing twentieth century when Algeria became independent in 1962 (it is a relatively new nation) after 132 years of French colonial rule that ensured that the population was uneducated, economically pauperised and politically disenfranchised. Throughout the decades of ndependance, the Governments attempted to remedy to that and attained some degree of success but that was counterbalanced by a demographic explosion (caused by massive improvements in healthcare, including vaccination, infant survivability as well as by the continuation of archaic rural birth strategies in recently urbanised populations), the corruption of the institutions (as elsewhere in both the third and second worlds), the dependency on oil and gas (controlled by said corrupt institutions), dependncy on imports of food due to inefficient agriculture, due to difficult natural conditions and relative scarcity of arable land with said demographically exploding population…do you see a visciuos circle here?), the choice of the socialist development model and the negative influence of fundamentalist Islam, personified by Saudi Arabia (allied with the US, UK and other free countries from which you may or may not hail- we will probably never know, since you are anonymous) that led to a civil war in the nineties that caused between one and two hundred thousand people to violently die). All of this led to many people living in cities, not on the land, having a secondary education (so not willing to be peasants or doing menial jobs, yet not finding work in an industry that never sufficiently developped because of foreign competition -think China, but that’s a whole other story) to opt to leave their country to seek better opportunities elsewhere (something that I believe to be much celebrated in New World countries). As there already was a trend of going to France (something encouraged by the French from WW2 to the seventies and as most Algerians were reasonably fluent in French (that is unfortunately changing as the educational priorities are getting in line with global trends and English superceding French, also because of faux nationalist policies imposing Arabic), most migrants went to that country and as some didn’t like it or felt unwelcome there (because of the previous colonial conflict), some went to other lands. Now of those that left, some were idiots, others were not, some of their kids didn’t integrate well while others did. As regards to doing well, some did awful, others did average, some did outstanding. I am sure that even you can find a few Algerian academics, people in the professions and since such is the title of this article, sportsmen and mathematicians too. Yes there are problems related to education, class, socio-economic status, religion (a major problem everywhere), nationalism…etc. but to put it down to racial admixture is a bit primitive and does not show much insight. I think all humans are more or less mixed, we don’t chose that but it is what we do with the good and bad genes that hitory and geography dealt us that is important. As regards immigration, it has always existed as it is in human nature to seek a better life, it just has accelerated with the revolution of transportation, growth of world population and sharpening of differences between rich and poor (people and lands). So, don’t hate, learn, observe and try to nderstand.

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  180. Being an engineer and living in Southern California I get to see the offspring of a lot of Asian/White marriages. In my opinion, better looking kids result when the woman is white. I find the children of a lot of the white male/asian woman combos are kind of ugly, usually worse than an asian/asian combo. Maybe that’s because most of the males I see with asian wives are often not very good looking (and frankly, most of their wives aren’t that attractive either – e.g., Zuckerberg’s wife). Finding a bone marrow match is a big problem when you are mixed race.

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    "Finding a bone marrow match is a big problem when you are mixed race."

    Really? I never knew that. I would have assumed... I dunno, related to blood type frequency I guess.
    , @greysquirrell
    It could be that for Asian male - White female pairings the male needs to be attractive and tall to get a White woman. In White male - Asian female, the male may typically be the nerdy average or dorky looking White male. The Asian female may be average looking and still get the dorky White male because he has little choice.
  181. @Another Anon
    Being an engineer and living in Southern California I get to see the offspring of a lot of Asian/White marriages. In my opinion, better looking kids result when the woman is white. I find the children of a lot of the white male/asian woman combos are kind of ugly, usually worse than an asian/asian combo. Maybe that's because most of the males I see with asian wives are often not very good looking (and frankly, most of their wives aren't that attractive either - e.g., Zuckerberg's wife). Finding a bone marrow match is a big problem when you are mixed race.

    “Finding a bone marrow match is a big problem when you are mixed race.”

    Really? I never knew that. I would have assumed… I dunno, related to blood type frequency I guess.

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  182. @Jeff
    Black/white hybrid vigor is real at the extremes. Lewis Hamilton is half-white and half-black and is the best racing driver in the world. He is unbelievably good. There are other halfies in the middling ranks who do well. However, to my knowledge, there are no good pure black drivers. Black people have a lot of great talents from musicality to improvisation, when you match those to some of the finer traits found in whites, the results can be spectacular.

    Hamilton isn’t ” the best racing driver in the world”. Sébastien Loeb was muchhhhhhhh more dominant in rally. Even in F1, many consider Alonso a better driver. There is no pure blacks in racing, because racing is an expensive sport. The formation of the pilot depends on how parents can spend until they get corporate sponsorship. Look man, I am Brazilian, a country of mestizos. And even here, the drivers are whites from wealthy families.

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  183. @Michelle
    I have to agree with you. Steve was acting very juvenile to comment on Rain's appearance. She looks like her father, but that should not surprise anyone who believes that we inherit our genes from our parents. She has done nothing to deserve to be held up to ridicule. Fratty behavior. Shame, shame, Steve.

    Ban women from the comments section.

    Otherwise, welcome to Shamefest 2015! With your 15, 30, and 45 minutes of shame sessions! Book now.

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    Shame on you too! There are a lot of ugly people on this planet. Women and men. So, is that news? There are just as many beautiful mixed race women as ugly ones. So Steve's dig at Rain was illustrative of what????
  184. @drconatus
    Damn, I genuinely feel bad for Rain. She looks like a living remnant of some archaic human lineage that never made it...

    However, truth be told, most interracial people *do* end up looking pretty good. One the most beautiful women I've ever met was 1/2 Dutch, 1/2 Black Caribbean. And of course exhibit B: Brazil.

    It's also interesting when an interracial child looks *entirely* like the race of one parent. I knew someone in high school who's father was Black and mother was Vietnamese. I never for a second thought he was anything but fully Asian. When I found out his dad was black, my first reaction was "yeah, right..." but upon further thought I saw glimpses; the facial structure, the overly muscular build...

    Offspring between a Scottish Terrier and a Westie will produce lots of gray puppies, but some will be all black and some all white. Genetics and stats are cool that way.

    False. Mixed white/black tend to be ugly . South American women dress better and are more feminine than the US woman. But without makeup they are much more ugly . They tend to have the bone structure of blacks with a lighter skin . The most beautiful brazilians are italo- germanic woman of Rio Grande do Sul , every Brazilian knows that.

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  185. So I’m white, almost 6 foot 4, and I married a tallish woman of German and English descent. My daughter…at 12 years of age…is already taller than my wife. But she would’ve been even taller if I’d married a Chinese person? Makes sense.

    Watusi, probably. Sikh, possibly. But a whole lot of others, not likely. I think this belongs in the “Lies, damn lies and statistics” file.

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  186. @Svigor

    Algerians should be tops in everything since they are racially mixed.

    I wonder why they are all trying to flee to Europe.
     
    Most race-mixed regions in the world:

    Central Asia
    Latin America
    North Africa

    Viva la miscegenation.

    A cursory spot check indicates that half-Jews are at least as successful, if not more so than full Jews. Obviously there’s a lot of selection affects here. And outbreeding Jews probably are mating with the upper half of the gentile bell curve. Still even with that, regression to the lower gentile mean should disadvantage half-Ashkenazi offspring. The most plausible explanation is that hybrid vigor is counteracting this effect.
     
    That's interesting, but it doesn't get at "hybrid vigor" the way miscegenationists use it. They use it to mean not "when hybrids are vigorous," but "hybrids are vigorous."

    I think "Central Asia, Latin America, North Africa" is the only answer we really need for that statement.

    Ashkenazi Jews are a very racially mixed population. Are they a good example of hybrid vigor?
     
    Wrong venue. This is 100% true (even according to many Jews) in "normal" spaces, where Dieversity & Amalgamation reign. But this is 100% untrue here at iSteve (even according to many Jews), where an entirely different audience is being appealed to. If you want to see Jews bragging about their own Diversity, you'll have to go find an audience that wants to hear it. Never let a little thing like the truth get in the way of a good yarn.

    Well, White monoracial British ”kids” also are taller than their ”ancestors”. Smarter too??
     
    I don't see how an article like that can be published without the using the term, "Flynn Effect." Lefties usually love to go on and on about the Flynn Effect.

    Mixed race relationships give us mulatto messiah hopeychangers like Baraq Obama.
     
    The truth of Hussein's mulatto messiah status is that it has everything to do with everyone but Obama himself. If you could have dropped Hussein into a white skin at an early age, he'd have grown up to be a bank manager or somesuch.

    Cochran disagrees; he says that they are an example of what happens when an ethny is confined confines itself to “White Collar” jobs (money-lending, estate management, tax-farming) for over one thousand years.
     
    FIFY. I've been "confining" myself to money-lending and tax-farming lately. Eventually I'll wiggle out from under the oppression and confine myself to manipulating opinions.

    Black/white hybrid vigor is real at the extremes. Lewis Hamilton is half-white and half-black and is the best racing driver in the world. He is unbelievably good. There are other halfies in the middling ranks who do well. However, to my knowledge, there are no good pure black drivers. Black people have a lot of great talents from musicality to improvisation, when you match those to some of the finer traits found in whites, the results can be spectacular.
     
    That would make sense, if race car driving were dominated by hybrids, and not whites.

    The best basketball players and the best mathematicians per capita seem to be black Americans and Ashkenazim, both of whom are sort of hybrid populations. American blacks have something like 20% white admixture on average, and they’re better at basketball than pure whites or pure blacks from Africa.
     

    The best basketball players and mathematicians per capita are black Americans and Ashkenazi Jews. They have mixed origins and outperform their ancestral stocks. Black Americans outperform both West Africans and Europeans in basketball, and Ashkenazi Jews outperform other Jews and Europeans in mathematics.
     
    (This thought was so important, he posted it twice)

    I've long held that these two Master Races should amalgamate and produce the Ultimate Master Race. Not many takers, unfortunately; Jews are so ashamed of how few of their kind marry blacks that they sweep the statistics under the rug year in, year out.

    Art is a bit iffier.Jewish prohibitions on images prevented strong traditions in sculpture or painting from emerging.Offhand, I can’t think of too many highly regarded Jewish painters.Modigliani, a few others, maybe
     
    If that's the case, it's a pretty enduring effect.

    But do you really look at Tiger woods and think, “That guy fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down”?
     
    Now there's a ringing endorsement.

    Twin and adoption studies prove that “ethnic nepotism” accounts for a de minimis proportion of economic success. Otherwise we would see significant statistical relationships for shared environment. Almost all explainable Jewish success, like virtually any success in modern society, is genetically attributable.
     
    Ship has sailed on this one. The IQ & population numbers do not bear this out (at all) for the entertainment biz. And then there's the fact that you if you want Hollywood to read your application, you'd better put a Jewish surname on top of it (funny how academia hasn't touched the subject of this informal study with a barge pole; some data isn't wanted).

    When you cross two cows of different breeds you get a lot of good things. This is an F1 cross. The bad recessives of each are held back by the good dominants of the other. Once you breed F1s with each other, however, you get a huge amount of randomness because each F1 has the recessives from two breeds to draw from. You can get all sorts of genes showing up, easy to see in the looks department. When you bring in new bulls they come from pure lines to keep those recessives under control.

    You can breed an F1 with an F1 of two different lines. You would get even more hybrid vigor. In a different species, this is roughly how industrial chickens are bred to grow so fast or lay so much. But the product of that would be even more random. It is easy enough to order some hybrid meat chickens or egg chickens for yourself and breed them if you want to see how it works.

    Not sure how well this applies to humans, which are selected in different ways. But there might be something in there for you.
     
    One thing that's really, REALLY not needed here is an understanding of the actual, real-world context for stuff like "hybrid vigor." No, sir.

    Taking even the most basic fundamentals from the context from which terms like "hybrid vigor" arise would be very, very, very bad for the Miscegenation & Amalgamation Agenda. Just look at that one concept, FFS: "holding pure breeds in reserve." That's sixmilliondeadjews, right there! Thank God lefties control the bullhorn, eh?

    Ashkenazi Jews are a very racially mixed population. Are they a good example of hybrid vigor?

    Wrong venue. This is 100% true (even according to many Jews) in “normal” spaces, where Dieversity & Amalgamation reign. But this is 100% untrue here at iSteve (even according to many Jews), where an entirely different audience is being appealed to. If you want to see Jews bragging about their own Diversity, you’ll have to go find an audience that wants to hear it. Never let a little thing like the truth get in the way of a good yarn.

    It depends on the scale of the metric used.By Continental-scale metrics (West Eurasian/Caucasoid, East Eurasian/Mongoloid, etc), it doesn’t count.On that scale, it’s intra-racial.If you employ smaller scale metrics (Northern European, Southern European, etc), then it counts.

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  187. @gcochran
    Almost all , >80%, Ashkenazi mtDNA is European, largely from Italy and southern France. That's unambiguous.

    Almost all , >80%, Ashkenazi mtDNA is European, largely from Italy and southern France. That’s unambiguous.

    I agree.I think that claims that Ashkenazi Jews are not around 50% European are hard to take seriously.

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  188. @Svigor

    RASHIDA: But it was different with our grandparents. Our dad’s father died before we were born. We didn’t see our dad’s mother often. I felt comfortable with Mommy’s parents, who’d come to love my dad like a son. Kidada wasn’t so comfortable with them. I felt Jewish; Kidada didn’t.
     
    "I felt Jewish." Not "white." How very odd.

    PEGGY: Kidada never wanted to be white.
     
    "Never wanted to be white." Not "Jewish. Again, how very odd.

    Cute example of the game many Jews play with their race. When X is rejected as a bad thing, it's "white"; when it's accepted as a good thing, it's "Jewish."

    RASHIDA: But it was different with our grandparents. Our dad’s father died before we were born. We didn’t see our dad’s mother often. I felt comfortable with Mommy’s parents, who’d come to love my dad like a son. Kidada wasn’t so comfortable with them. I felt Jewish; Kidada didn’t.

    “I felt Jewish.” Not “white.” How very odd.

    Sub-text is everything.She can’t bring herself to say that she felt Jewish because she looked White.

    PEGGY: Kidada never wanted to be white.

    “Never wanted to be white.” Not “Jewish. Again, how very odd.

    But telling.The sub-text is that being White and being Jewish are linked.

    Indeed, some people have argued that Sammy Davis Jr’s conversion to Judaism was an exercise in trans-racialism avant la lettre:

    For Davis, the important thing was getting to hang around with famous white people. In fact, one inconvenient obstacle between Davis and an engaged black identity was that he wished he were white. That charge is usually leveled by blacks at one another out of malice; but in Davis’s case, it was simple fact. “Damn, I wish I weren’t black!” he reported crying to himself sometimes when he encountered bigotry. He was fond of affecting an English accent. Black performers rarely imitated whites when Davis hit the big time; in his case, it seems that imitation was indeed the sincerest form of flattery.

    [......]

    The conversion to Judaism was just more of this white fever.

    http://www.city-journal.org/2010/20_2_urb-sammy-davis-jr.html

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  189. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Stan D Mute

    She has done nothing to deserve to be held up to ridicule.
     
    Waaah! Steve Sailer wrote something objectively true but unflattering - the horror!

    Good grief, iSteve is one of the last places around where Truth may be told without PC censorship or busybody hand-wringing shrews wailing about hurt feelings. Here he simply cited an unattractive woman as a contrast to an attractive woman. He didn't "ridicule" her. There were no jokes about, "why the long face." He didn't wonder if Pryor was cuckolded by Mr Ed.

    The Truth is that is one seriously homely horse-faced female. If that reality is too upsetting to bear, maybe there is a good blog in Braille you could peruse?

    That’s true but censorship goes both ways as links to Billy Joel’s daughter’s pre-plastic surgery pics are censored here.

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  190. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Svigor

    Algerians should be tops in everything since they are racially mixed.

    I wonder why they are all trying to flee to Europe.
     
    Most race-mixed regions in the world:

    Central Asia
    Latin America
    North Africa

    Viva la miscegenation.

    A cursory spot check indicates that half-Jews are at least as successful, if not more so than full Jews. Obviously there’s a lot of selection affects here. And outbreeding Jews probably are mating with the upper half of the gentile bell curve. Still even with that, regression to the lower gentile mean should disadvantage half-Ashkenazi offspring. The most plausible explanation is that hybrid vigor is counteracting this effect.
     
    That's interesting, but it doesn't get at "hybrid vigor" the way miscegenationists use it. They use it to mean not "when hybrids are vigorous," but "hybrids are vigorous."

    I think "Central Asia, Latin America, North Africa" is the only answer we really need for that statement.

    Ashkenazi Jews are a very racially mixed population. Are they a good example of hybrid vigor?
     
    Wrong venue. This is 100% true (even according to many Jews) in "normal" spaces, where Dieversity & Amalgamation reign. But this is 100% untrue here at iSteve (even according to many Jews), where an entirely different audience is being appealed to. If you want to see Jews bragging about their own Diversity, you'll have to go find an audience that wants to hear it. Never let a little thing like the truth get in the way of a good yarn.

    Well, White monoracial British ”kids” also are taller than their ”ancestors”. Smarter too??
     
    I don't see how an article like that can be published without the using the term, "Flynn Effect." Lefties usually love to go on and on about the Flynn Effect.

    Mixed race relationships give us mulatto messiah hopeychangers like Baraq Obama.
     
    The truth of Hussein's mulatto messiah status is that it has everything to do with everyone but Obama himself. If you could have dropped Hussein into a white skin at an early age, he'd have grown up to be a bank manager or somesuch.

    Cochran disagrees; he says that they are an example of what happens when an ethny is confined confines itself to “White Collar” jobs (money-lending, estate management, tax-farming) for over one thousand years.
     
    FIFY. I've been "confining" myself to money-lending and tax-farming lately. Eventually I'll wiggle out from under the oppression and confine myself to manipulating opinions.

    Black/white hybrid vigor is real at the extremes. Lewis Hamilton is half-white and half-black and is the best racing driver in the world. He is unbelievably good. There are other halfies in the middling ranks who do well. However, to my knowledge, there are no good pure black drivers. Black people have a lot of great talents from musicality to improvisation, when you match those to some of the finer traits found in whites, the results can be spectacular.
     
    That would make sense, if race car driving were dominated by hybrids, and not whites.

    The best basketball players and the best mathematicians per capita seem to be black Americans and Ashkenazim, both of whom are sort of hybrid populations. American blacks have something like 20% white admixture on average, and they’re better at basketball than pure whites or pure blacks from Africa.
     

    The best basketball players and mathematicians per capita are black Americans and Ashkenazi Jews. They have mixed origins and outperform their ancestral stocks. Black Americans outperform both West Africans and Europeans in basketball, and Ashkenazi Jews outperform other Jews and Europeans in mathematics.
     
    (This thought was so important, he posted it twice)

    I've long held that these two Master Races should amalgamate and produce the Ultimate Master Race. Not many takers, unfortunately; Jews are so ashamed of how few of their kind marry blacks that they sweep the statistics under the rug year in, year out.

    Art is a bit iffier.Jewish prohibitions on images prevented strong traditions in sculpture or painting from emerging.Offhand, I can’t think of too many highly regarded Jewish painters.Modigliani, a few others, maybe
     
    If that's the case, it's a pretty enduring effect.

    But do you really look at Tiger woods and think, “That guy fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down”?
     
    Now there's a ringing endorsement.

    Twin and adoption studies prove that “ethnic nepotism” accounts for a de minimis proportion of economic success. Otherwise we would see significant statistical relationships for shared environment. Almost all explainable Jewish success, like virtually any success in modern society, is genetically attributable.
     
    Ship has sailed on this one. The IQ & population numbers do not bear this out (at all) for the entertainment biz. And then there's the fact that you if you want Hollywood to read your application, you'd better put a Jewish surname on top of it (funny how academia hasn't touched the subject of this informal study with a barge pole; some data isn't wanted).

    When you cross two cows of different breeds you get a lot of good things. This is an F1 cross. The bad recessives of each are held back by the good dominants of the other. Once you breed F1s with each other, however, you get a huge amount of randomness because each F1 has the recessives from two breeds to draw from. You can get all sorts of genes showing up, easy to see in the looks department. When you bring in new bulls they come from pure lines to keep those recessives under control.

    You can breed an F1 with an F1 of two different lines. You would get even more hybrid vigor. In a different species, this is roughly how industrial chickens are bred to grow so fast or lay so much. But the product of that would be even more random. It is easy enough to order some hybrid meat chickens or egg chickens for yourself and breed them if you want to see how it works.

    Not sure how well this applies to humans, which are selected in different ways. But there might be something in there for you.
     
    One thing that's really, REALLY not needed here is an understanding of the actual, real-world context for stuff like "hybrid vigor." No, sir.

    Taking even the most basic fundamentals from the context from which terms like "hybrid vigor" arise would be very, very, very bad for the Miscegenation & Amalgamation Agenda. Just look at that one concept, FFS: "holding pure breeds in reserve." That's sixmilliondeadjews, right there! Thank God lefties control the bullhorn, eh?

    (This thought was so important, he posted it twice)

    I’ve long held that these two Master Races should amalgamate and produce the Ultimate Master Race. Not many takers, unfortunately; Jews are so ashamed of how few of their kind marry blacks that they sweep the statistics under the rug year in, year out.

    I don’t think it’s that important, but dominance in basketball and mathematics does seem notable and interesting enough that it was the subject and title of this blog post. It is sort of interesting how much better American blacks are at basketball than West Africans and Europeans. You’d think West Africans would be somewhat similar but they’re not. And many of them are mulattoes or mulatto types like this year’s NBA MVP and Finals winner, Steph Curry.

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    I don’t think it’s that important, but dominance in basketball and mathematics does seem notable and interesting enough that it was the subject and title of this blog post. It is sort of interesting how much better American blacks are at basketball than West Africans and Europeans. You’d think West Africans would be somewhat similar but they’re not. And many of them are mulattoes or mulatto types like this year’s NBA MVP and Finals winner, Steph Curry.
     
    The Finals MVP was Andre Iguodala, who is half Nigerian and half American black. Jahlil Okafor went third in this year's draft and he is also half Nigerian and half American black. There are two reasons why West Africans, or Africans period, aren't as good at basketball: culture and opportunity.

    Culture. Africans play soccer, like Dominicans play baseball, and Jamaicans run track. Black Americans play basketball and football. If a culture doesn't place a high value on a particular sport few people will participate.

    Opportunity. The US has a sophisticated development system: schools, AAU teams, summer leagues, sports academies, and multiple college divisions, usually at no cost to the player. That doesn't exist in Africa. Africans have to rely on luck since they don't even have high school teams.

    The NBA will play an exhibition game in South Africa in August. I think the purpose is to expand viewership not player development.

    The NBA has about 450 players and only about 15 or so are mixed-race or near white. They are hardly taking over.
  191. @Svigor

    Algerians should be tops in everything since they are racially mixed.

    I wonder why they are all trying to flee to Europe.
     
    Most race-mixed regions in the world:

    Central Asia
    Latin America
    North Africa

    Viva la miscegenation.

    A cursory spot check indicates that half-Jews are at least as successful, if not more so than full Jews. Obviously there’s a lot of selection affects here. And outbreeding Jews probably are mating with the upper half of the gentile bell curve. Still even with that, regression to the lower gentile mean should disadvantage half-Ashkenazi offspring. The most plausible explanation is that hybrid vigor is counteracting this effect.
     
    That's interesting, but it doesn't get at "hybrid vigor" the way miscegenationists use it. They use it to mean not "when hybrids are vigorous," but "hybrids are vigorous."

    I think "Central Asia, Latin America, North Africa" is the only answer we really need for that statement.

    Ashkenazi Jews are a very racially mixed population. Are they a good example of hybrid vigor?
     
    Wrong venue. This is 100% true (even according to many Jews) in "normal" spaces, where Dieversity & Amalgamation reign. But this is 100% untrue here at iSteve (even according to many Jews), where an entirely different audience is being appealed to. If you want to see Jews bragging about their own Diversity, you'll have to go find an audience that wants to hear it. Never let a little thing like the truth get in the way of a good yarn.

    Well, White monoracial British ”kids” also are taller than their ”ancestors”. Smarter too??
     
    I don't see how an article like that can be published without the using the term, "Flynn Effect." Lefties usually love to go on and on about the Flynn Effect.

    Mixed race relationships give us mulatto messiah hopeychangers like Baraq Obama.
     
    The truth of Hussein's mulatto messiah status is that it has everything to do with everyone but Obama himself. If you could have dropped Hussein into a white skin at an early age, he'd have grown up to be a bank manager or somesuch.

    Cochran disagrees; he says that they are an example of what happens when an ethny is confined confines itself to “White Collar” jobs (money-lending, estate management, tax-farming) for over one thousand years.
     
    FIFY. I've been "confining" myself to money-lending and tax-farming lately. Eventually I'll wiggle out from under the oppression and confine myself to manipulating opinions.

    Black/white hybrid vigor is real at the extremes. Lewis Hamilton is half-white and half-black and is the best racing driver in the world. He is unbelievably good. There are other halfies in the middling ranks who do well. However, to my knowledge, there are no good pure black drivers. Black people have a lot of great talents from musicality to improvisation, when you match those to some of the finer traits found in whites, the results can be spectacular.
     
    That would make sense, if race car driving were dominated by hybrids, and not whites.

    The best basketball players and the best mathematicians per capita seem to be black Americans and Ashkenazim, both of whom are sort of hybrid populations. American blacks have something like 20% white admixture on average, and they’re better at basketball than pure whites or pure blacks from Africa.
     

    The best basketball players and mathematicians per capita are black Americans and Ashkenazi Jews. They have mixed origins and outperform their ancestral stocks. Black Americans outperform both West Africans and Europeans in basketball, and Ashkenazi Jews outperform other Jews and Europeans in mathematics.
     
    (This thought was so important, he posted it twice)

    I've long held that these two Master Races should amalgamate and produce the Ultimate Master Race. Not many takers, unfortunately; Jews are so ashamed of how few of their kind marry blacks that they sweep the statistics under the rug year in, year out.

    Art is a bit iffier.Jewish prohibitions on images prevented strong traditions in sculpture or painting from emerging.Offhand, I can’t think of too many highly regarded Jewish painters.Modigliani, a few others, maybe
     
    If that's the case, it's a pretty enduring effect.

    But do you really look at Tiger woods and think, “That guy fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down”?
     
    Now there's a ringing endorsement.

    Twin and adoption studies prove that “ethnic nepotism” accounts for a de minimis proportion of economic success. Otherwise we would see significant statistical relationships for shared environment. Almost all explainable Jewish success, like virtually any success in modern society, is genetically attributable.
     
    Ship has sailed on this one. The IQ & population numbers do not bear this out (at all) for the entertainment biz. And then there's the fact that you if you want Hollywood to read your application, you'd better put a Jewish surname on top of it (funny how academia hasn't touched the subject of this informal study with a barge pole; some data isn't wanted).

    When you cross two cows of different breeds you get a lot of good things. This is an F1 cross. The bad recessives of each are held back by the good dominants of the other. Once you breed F1s with each other, however, you get a huge amount of randomness because each F1 has the recessives from two breeds to draw from. You can get all sorts of genes showing up, easy to see in the looks department. When you bring in new bulls they come from pure lines to keep those recessives under control.

    You can breed an F1 with an F1 of two different lines. You would get even more hybrid vigor. In a different species, this is roughly how industrial chickens are bred to grow so fast or lay so much. But the product of that would be even more random. It is easy enough to order some hybrid meat chickens or egg chickens for yourself and breed them if you want to see how it works.

    Not sure how well this applies to humans, which are selected in different ways. But there might be something in there for you.
     
    One thing that's really, REALLY not needed here is an understanding of the actual, real-world context for stuff like "hybrid vigor." No, sir.

    Taking even the most basic fundamentals from the context from which terms like "hybrid vigor" arise would be very, very, very bad for the Miscegenation & Amalgamation Agenda. Just look at that one concept, FFS: "holding pure breeds in reserve." That's sixmilliondeadjews, right there! Thank God lefties control the bullhorn, eh?

    Wrong venue. This is 100% true (even according to many Jews) in “normal” spaces, where Dieversity & Amalgamation reign. But this is 100% untrue here at iSteve (even according to many Jews), where an entirely different audience is being appealed to. If you want to see Jews bragging about their own Diversity, you’ll have to go find an audience that wants to hear it. Never let a little thing like the truth get in the way of a good yarn.

    There’s also the question of timescale as well.If a “hybridizing” event occurred thousands of years ago, can we still count their modern day descendants as hybrids? The fusion of ASI and ANI in India occurred well over three thousand years ago.Are modern day South Asians still a hybrid population?And Europeans are also the product of ancient blendings and mergers:

    Modern Europeans can be thought of as compounds. The first element are a set of populations which descend from, or are genetically very close in nature to, Mesolithic hunter-gatherers who likely descend from groups extant during the late Pleistocene on the fringes of the continent. The second element seems to be a population which is an outgroup to all other non-Africans. That is, this group diverged from the ancestors, jointly, of European Mesolithic hunter-gatherers, the people which gave rise of the Mal’ta boy, as well as Oceanians, East Asians and Andaman Islanders. Like the “Ancestral South Indians” my impression is that this group does not exist in “pure” form today, but rather must be inferred. As this 40 thousand year old individual from Peştera cu Oase, Romania, is no closer to Europeans than to East Asians, it seems implausible that it was ancestral in any substantial fraction to modern Europeans. The third element has affinities to central Eurasian groups.

    http://www.unz.com/gnxp/the-false-dawn-of-modern-humans-in-eurasia/#comments

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  192. @gcochran
    Almost all , >80%, Ashkenazi mtDNA is European, largely from Italy and southern France. That's unambiguous.

    What does the mtDNA provenance do to the issue of ‘Jewish by virtue of the mother’?
    Is it plausible that there were a lot of breaks in the maternal chain over the centuries, thereby casting some doubt on whether that remains a defensible position? Or does conversion negate any prior breaks for purposes of ethnic continuity?

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The principle that Jewish status comes from the mother only dates to the Talmudic era (late antiquity and early medieval). The admixture that ultimately gave rise to Ashkenazi Jews occurred before that. In other words, they were already accepted as Jews before the rules changed.
  193. I just have to mention Ashton Eaton and the British olympic heptathlon winner Jessica Ennis. Both are f1 according to Wikipedia.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Hybrids do seem overrepresented as top decathletes. 4 out of the top 10 decathletes of all time are hybrids, 3 of them Black-White hybrids and one of them Black-Japanese:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decathlon#All-time_top_ten_athletes
  194. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Svigor
    Increased Infectious Disease Susceptibility Resulting from Outbreeding Depression

    Abstract: The mechanisms by which outbreeding depression leads to reduced fitness are poorly understood. We considered the hypothesis that outbreeding can depress fitness by increasing the susceptibility of hybrid individuals and populations to infectious disease. Competitive breeding trials in experimental ponds indicated that outbred largemouth bass ( Micropterus salmoides) crossed from two geographically and genetically distinct populations suffered a reduction in fitness of approximately 14% relative to parental stocks. We measured the comparative susceptibility of these same outbred stocks to a novel viral pathogen, largemouth bass virus. Following experimental inoculation, F2 generation hybrids suffered mortality at a rate 3.6 times higher than either F1 generation hybrids or wild-type parental fish. Analysis of viral loads indicated that viral replication was more rapid in F2 fish than in F1 hybrids or wild-type parental fish. We attribute these results to the disruption of coadapted gene complexes in the immune systems of outbred fish in the F2 generation. Increased susceptibility to infectious disease may be an important but underappreciated mechanism by which outbreeding reduces the fitness of individuals and populations and by which novel infectious diseases emerge in populations of hybrid organisms.
     
    Dutch Study: Schizophrenia Risk Higher In Mixed Neighbourhoods (sorry, no link to original, which has been spiked)

    Amsterdam (dpa) – Migrants in the Netherlands who live in neighbourhoods with a mixed Dutch-migrant population run a higher risk of developing schizophrenia than those in migrant-only neighbourhoods, according to a Dutch study published on Monday.

    Researcher Wim Veling of Dutch mental health care provider Parnassia Navo Group found that the chances of developing schizophrenia doubled for Surinamese and Turks and multiplied by four for Moroccans if they lived in mixed Dutch-migrant residential areas.

    It has been known for a while that immigrants run a higher risk of developing schizophrenia than locals.
     

    Mixed-race children 'are being failed' in treatment of mental health problems

    The report found that those with mixed-race backgrounds were more at risk of mental health issues
     
    Health and Behavior Risks of Adolescents with Mixed-Race Identity

    Results. Mixed-race adolescents showed higher risk when compared with single-race adolescents on general health questions, school experience, smoking and drinking, and other risk variables.

    Conclusions. Adolescents who self-identify as more than 1 race are at higher health and behavior risks. The findings are compatible with interpreting the elevated risk of mixed race as associated with stress.
     

    Study: Mixed-Race Youth Have Health Woes

    WASHINGTON (AP) _ Students who consider themselves of more than one race are more likely to feel depressed, have trouble sleeping, skip school, smoke and drink alcohol, a study says.

    Based on national surveys of 90,000 middle school and high school students, the study found that young people of mixed race are at higher risk for stress-related health problems.
     


    The study found that mixed-race students, compared with single-race students who share part of their racial makeup, were more likely to report having sex at younger ages, having access to guns, getting drunk, considering suicide and suffering various aches and pains.

    Yet in other types of characteristics _ including grades, verbal ability and parents' education _ the study found that mixed-race students tend to fall between the single-race adolescents who shared part of their background. For example, Asian students had higher grade-point averages than whites, and children with both Asian and white parents had averages between those two peer groups.
     

    Multiracial youth more prone to violence (sorry, no link, this one has been spiked. I've got the original article saved on my hard drive)

    May 1, 2006
    Multiracial youth more prone to violence
    By Jonathan Jay Gibian
    U.S. scientists say multiracial middle school youths are significantly more likely to engage in violence and substance use than are single-race youths.

    Researchers from the University of Chicago and the University of Washington also found perceived racial discrimination in schools and home neighborhoods puts adolescents at risk for such problems.

    However, the study suggests a strong, positive ethnic identity can shield some multiracial youth from behavior problems.

    Among the findings, the study found multiracial adolescents were significantly more likely than white, black or Asian-American youth to have smoked cigarettes. The figures were 38 percent less for whites, 32 percent less for blacks and 51 percent less for Asian-Americans.

    Similarly, whites, blacks and Asian-Americans were 45 percent, 30 percent and 65 percent less likely, in that order, to have ever consumed alcohol than multiracial youngsters.

    When it came to violent behaviors such as carrying a weapon, being in a fight or threatening to stab someone, multiracial youth again were significantly more likely to report having engaged in such activities than were whites or Asian-Americans. Fewer differences were found between multiracial and black youths.

    The study is published in the American Journal of Orthopsychiatry.

    You may forward this article or get additional permissions by typing http://license.icopyright.net/3.5981?icx_id=20060501-041643-9873r into any web browser.
     

    Bi-racial bone marrow hard to find

    This year's historic election illustrates just how diverse our nation is. But experts say you'd never know that by looking at who's registered to donate bone marrow. One local woman's mixed heritage sheds the spotlight on another growing group of individuals in desperate need.

    But being half white and half Japanese has put her in a unique situation. In April, Krissy was diagnosed with myelodysplastic syndrome.

    "They immediately tested my brother and it was devastating when we found out he was not a match," said Krissy.

    Each year, of the 10,000 to 15,000 patients who need an unrelated bone marrow match only a quarter find one. The odds are much worse for Krissy because she's bi-racial.

    Of the seven million people in the National Marrow Donor Program only 180,000 have multi-racial backgrounds.

    "The larger the donor pool the better chance for finding a match," said Jimmy Loon.
     

    Multiracial patients have tough battle to find marrow matches

    The hopes of his parents, both doctors in San Jose, Calif., immediately turned to a bone marrow transplant, but they soon learned some distressing news — Luke's ethnic heritage made him a tough match.

    Sarah Gaskins, Luke's mother, has Japanese and European ancestors and his father, Lam Do, is Vietnamese-American. Because bone marrow matches usually are made with a relative or someone with the same racial or ethnic background as the patient, multiracial people rarely have success.

    "It's tragic," said Lam Do, who specializes in internal medicine. "Your chance of finding a donor is so low, it's like winning the lottery. And most people are unaware of this."

    Only 2% of those who list their ancestry with the National Marrow Donor Program are multiracial, though the NMDP will — for the first time — study multiracial patients' medical records this year to better understand what kind of marrow tissue they tend to inherit from their parents. The group also will try to more effectively recruit new potential donors, said Helen Ng, an NMDP spokeswoman.

    Today, whites in need of a bone marrow transplant have about a 90% chance of finding a match, said Dr. Patrick Beatty, an oncologist with the Montana Cancer Specialists in Missoula, Mont., who researches ancestry and bone marrow. For those who aren't white, "your chances of getting a match are pretty remote," he said.

    The biological reason has to do with the body's response to infections, Beatty said. Because the world's ancient peoples were exposed to different diseases over millennia, each group developed different tissue antigens, substances that help fight illness.

    The descendants of these peoples retain those highly varied tissue antigens, he said, making it tough to match the bone marrow of individuals from different ancestries.
     

    11-year-old ‘Lion King’ actress dies from leukemia

    Shannon Tavarez, the 11-year-old who starred on Broadway in “The Lion King” and whose battle with leukemia won the hearts of many, including Alicia Keys, Rihanna and 50 Cent, has died.

    Her doctor, Dr. Larry Wolfe, said that a perfect bone marrow match for Shannon could not be found.

    The search for a match was especially daunting because Shannon’s mother is African-American and her father is Hispanic, from the Dominican Republic. For bone marrow transplants, minorities and those of mixed ancestry have a more difficult time finding good matches because there aren’t as many people from those groups signed up as potential donors.
     

    Bone marrow transplants started in the 60s. They weren’t available to anyone before then. It’d be interesting to find out who is more susceptible to leukemia in the first place.

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  195. If mule-like hybrid vigor was possible for humans it would be awesome and we would notice easily.

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  196. @Svigor

    Algerians should be tops in everything since they are racially mixed.

    I wonder why they are all trying to flee to Europe.
     
    Most race-mixed regions in the world:

    Central Asia
    Latin America
    North Africa

    Viva la miscegenation.

    A cursory spot check indicates that half-Jews are at least as successful, if not more so than full Jews. Obviously there’s a lot of selection affects here. And outbreeding Jews probably are mating with the upper half of the gentile bell curve. Still even with that, regression to the lower gentile mean should disadvantage half-Ashkenazi offspring. The most plausible explanation is that hybrid vigor is counteracting this effect.
     
    That's interesting, but it doesn't get at "hybrid vigor" the way miscegenationists use it. They use it to mean not "when hybrids are vigorous," but "hybrids are vigorous."

    I think "Central Asia, Latin America, North Africa" is the only answer we really need for that statement.

    Ashkenazi Jews are a very racially mixed population. Are they a good example of hybrid vigor?
     
    Wrong venue. This is 100% true (even according to many Jews) in "normal" spaces, where Dieversity & Amalgamation reign. But this is 100% untrue here at iSteve (even according to many Jews), where an entirely different audience is being appealed to. If you want to see Jews bragging about their own Diversity, you'll have to go find an audience that wants to hear it. Never let a little thing like the truth get in the way of a good yarn.

    Well, White monoracial British ”kids” also are taller than their ”ancestors”. Smarter too??
     
    I don't see how an article like that can be published without the using the term, "Flynn Effect." Lefties usually love to go on and on about the Flynn Effect.

    Mixed race relationships give us mulatto messiah hopeychangers like Baraq Obama.
     
    The truth of Hussein's mulatto messiah status is that it has everything to do with everyone but Obama himself. If you could have dropped Hussein into a white skin at an early age, he'd have grown up to be a bank manager or somesuch.

    Cochran disagrees; he says that they are an example of what happens when an ethny is confined confines itself to “White Collar” jobs (money-lending, estate management, tax-farming) for over one thousand years.
     
    FIFY. I've been "confining" myself to money-lending and tax-farming lately. Eventually I'll wiggle out from under the oppression and confine myself to manipulating opinions.

    Black/white hybrid vigor is real at the extremes. Lewis Hamilton is half-white and half-black and is the best racing driver in the world. He is unbelievably good. There are other halfies in the middling ranks who do well. However, to my knowledge, there are no good pure black drivers. Black people have a lot of great talents from musicality to improvisation, when you match those to some of the finer traits found in whites, the results can be spectacular.
     
    That would make sense, if race car driving were dominated by hybrids, and not whites.

    The best basketball players and the best mathematicians per capita seem to be black Americans and Ashkenazim, both of whom are sort of hybrid populations. American blacks have something like 20% white admixture on average, and they’re better at basketball than pure whites or pure blacks from Africa.
     

    The best basketball players and mathematicians per capita are black Americans and Ashkenazi Jews. They have mixed origins and outperform their ancestral stocks. Black Americans outperform both West Africans and Europeans in basketball, and Ashkenazi Jews outperform other Jews and Europeans in mathematics.
     
    (This thought was so important, he posted it twice)

    I've long held that these two Master Races should amalgamate and produce the Ultimate Master Race. Not many takers, unfortunately; Jews are so ashamed of how few of their kind marry blacks that they sweep the statistics under the rug year in, year out.

    Art is a bit iffier.Jewish prohibitions on images prevented strong traditions in sculpture or painting from emerging.Offhand, I can’t think of too many highly regarded Jewish painters.Modigliani, a few others, maybe
     
    If that's the case, it's a pretty enduring effect.

    But do you really look at Tiger woods and think, “That guy fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down”?
     
    Now there's a ringing endorsement.

    Twin and adoption studies prove that “ethnic nepotism” accounts for a de minimis proportion of economic success. Otherwise we would see significant statistical relationships for shared environment. Almost all explainable Jewish success, like virtually any success in modern society, is genetically attributable.
     
    Ship has sailed on this one. The IQ & population numbers do not bear this out (at all) for the entertainment biz. And then there's the fact that you if you want Hollywood to read your application, you'd better put a Jewish surname on top of it (funny how academia hasn't touched the subject of this informal study with a barge pole; some data isn't wanted).

    When you cross two cows of different breeds you get a lot of good things. This is an F1 cross. The bad recessives of each are held back by the good dominants of the other. Once you breed F1s with each other, however, you get a huge amount of randomness because each F1 has the recessives from two breeds to draw from. You can get all sorts of genes showing up, easy to see in the looks department. When you bring in new bulls they come from pure lines to keep those recessives under control.

    You can breed an F1 with an F1 of two different lines. You would get even more hybrid vigor. In a different species, this is roughly how industrial chickens are bred to grow so fast or lay so much. But the product of that would be even more random. It is easy enough to order some hybrid meat chickens or egg chickens for yourself and breed them if you want to see how it works.

    Not sure how well this applies to humans, which are selected in different ways. But there might be something in there for you.
     
    One thing that's really, REALLY not needed here is an understanding of the actual, real-world context for stuff like "hybrid vigor." No, sir.

    Taking even the most basic fundamentals from the context from which terms like "hybrid vigor" arise would be very, very, very bad for the Miscegenation & Amalgamation Agenda. Just look at that one concept, FFS: "holding pure breeds in reserve." That's sixmilliondeadjews, right there! Thank God lefties control the bullhorn, eh?

    I’ve long held that these two Master Races should amalgamate and produce the Ultimate Master Race. Not many takers, unfortunately; Jews are so ashamed of how few of their kind marry blacks that they sweep the statistics under the rug year in, year out.

    Of course, the Israelis are doing their best to make sure that Black birthrates are as low as possible:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/28/ethiopian-women-given-contraceptives-israel

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  197. A lot of guys are complaining about the lack of good women to marry. Could you imagine being a Mideast guy in a Western country? You’d be complaining abut the lack of cousins.

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  198. Along side Rumer Willis, another actress who got shortchanged in the looks lotto is Laura Dern. Bruce Dern and Diane Ladd are both fairly attractive people, so I don’t know what her deal is.

    On the other hand you have Ami Dolenz, a moderately successful B-list actress from the 90′s.

    http://www.sitcomsonline.com/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/319596/size/big

    She must have inherited her looks from her mother, and thanking her lucky stars she looks very little like her father:

    http://www.fanpop.com/clubs/the-monkees/images/17378598/title/micky-dolenz-screencap

    I’m not one to judge men’s looks, but I’d say Mr. Dolenz has some features that would not look flattering on a woman. And I’m sure the Monkees’ handlers had a good reason for putting him behind the drums, even though he didn’t know how to play and also had the best singing voice in the group. They instead put the better-looking Davey Jones up front with a tambourine, even though he actually knew how to play drums.

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  199. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Esso
    I just have to mention Ashton Eaton and the British olympic heptathlon winner Jessica Ennis. Both are f1 according to Wikipedia.

    Hybrids do seem overrepresented as top decathletes. 4 out of the top 10 decathletes of all time are hybrids, 3 of them Black-White hybrids and one of them Black-Japanese:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decathlon#All-time_top_ten_athletes

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  200. @Stan D Mute

    She has done nothing to deserve to be held up to ridicule.
     
    Waaah! Steve Sailer wrote something objectively true but unflattering - the horror!

    Good grief, iSteve is one of the last places around where Truth may be told without PC censorship or busybody hand-wringing shrews wailing about hurt feelings. Here he simply cited an unattractive woman as a contrast to an attractive woman. He didn't "ridicule" her. There were no jokes about, "why the long face." He didn't wonder if Pryor was cuckolded by Mr Ed.

    The Truth is that is one seriously homely horse-faced female. If that reality is too upsetting to bear, maybe there is a good blog in Braille you could peruse?

    Waaah! Steve Sailer wrote something objectively true…

    Here he simply cited an unattractive woman as a contrast to an attractive woman.

    Make up your mind. Was it objective, or subjective?

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  201. @Svigor
    Increased Infectious Disease Susceptibility Resulting from Outbreeding Depression

    Abstract: The mechanisms by which outbreeding depression leads to reduced fitness are poorly understood. We considered the hypothesis that outbreeding can depress fitness by increasing the susceptibility of hybrid individuals and populations to infectious disease. Competitive breeding trials in experimental ponds indicated that outbred largemouth bass ( Micropterus salmoides) crossed from two geographically and genetically distinct populations suffered a reduction in fitness of approximately 14% relative to parental stocks. We measured the comparative susceptibility of these same outbred stocks to a novel viral pathogen, largemouth bass virus. Following experimental inoculation, F2 generation hybrids suffered mortality at a rate 3.6 times higher than either F1 generation hybrids or wild-type parental fish. Analysis of viral loads indicated that viral replication was more rapid in F2 fish than in F1 hybrids or wild-type parental fish. We attribute these results to the disruption of coadapted gene complexes in the immune systems of outbred fish in the F2 generation. Increased susceptibility to infectious disease may be an important but underappreciated mechanism by which outbreeding reduces the fitness of individuals and populations and by which novel infectious diseases emerge in populations of hybrid organisms.
     
    Dutch Study: Schizophrenia Risk Higher In Mixed Neighbourhoods (sorry, no link to original, which has been spiked)

    Amsterdam (dpa) – Migrants in the Netherlands who live in neighbourhoods with a mixed Dutch-migrant population run a higher risk of developing schizophrenia than those in migrant-only neighbourhoods, according to a Dutch study published on Monday.

    Researcher Wim Veling of Dutch mental health care provider Parnassia Navo Group found that the chances of developing schizophrenia doubled for Surinamese and Turks and multiplied by four for Moroccans if they lived in mixed Dutch-migrant residential areas.

    It has been known for a while that immigrants run a higher risk of developing schizophrenia than locals.
     

    Mixed-race children 'are being failed' in treatment of mental health problems

    The report found that those with mixed-race backgrounds were more at risk of mental health issues
     
    Health and Behavior Risks of Adolescents with Mixed-Race Identity

    Results. Mixed-race adolescents showed higher risk when compared with single-race adolescents on general health questions, school experience, smoking and drinking, and other risk variables.

    Conclusions. Adolescents who self-identify as more than 1 race are at higher health and behavior risks. The findings are compatible with interpreting the elevated risk of mixed race as associated with stress.
     

    Study: Mixed-Race Youth Have Health Woes

    WASHINGTON (AP) _ Students who consider themselves of more than one race are more likely to feel depressed, have trouble sleeping, skip school, smoke and drink alcohol, a study says.

    Based on national surveys of 90,000 middle school and high school students, the study found that young people of mixed race are at higher risk for stress-related health problems.
     


    The study found that mixed-race students, compared with single-race students who share part of their racial makeup, were more likely to report having sex at younger ages, having access to guns, getting drunk, considering suicide and suffering various aches and pains.

    Yet in other types of characteristics _ including grades, verbal ability and parents' education _ the study found that mixed-race students tend to fall between the single-race adolescents who shared part of their background. For example, Asian students had higher grade-point averages than whites, and children with both Asian and white parents had averages between those two peer groups.
     

    Multiracial youth more prone to violence (sorry, no link, this one has been spiked. I've got the original article saved on my hard drive)

    May 1, 2006
    Multiracial youth more prone to violence
    By Jonathan Jay Gibian
    U.S. scientists say multiracial middle school youths are significantly more likely to engage in violence and substance use than are single-race youths.

    Researchers from the University of Chicago and the University of Washington also found perceived racial discrimination in schools and home neighborhoods puts adolescents at risk for such problems.

    However, the study suggests a strong, positive ethnic identity can shield some multiracial youth from behavior problems.

    Among the findings, the study found multiracial adolescents were significantly more likely than white, black or Asian-American youth to have smoked cigarettes. The figures were 38 percent less for whites, 32 percent less for blacks and 51 percent less for Asian-Americans.

    Similarly, whites, blacks and Asian-Americans were 45 percent, 30 percent and 65 percent less likely, in that order, to have ever consumed alcohol than multiracial youngsters.

    When it came to violent behaviors such as carrying a weapon, being in a fight or threatening to stab someone, multiracial youth again were significantly more likely to report having engaged in such activities than were whites or Asian-Americans. Fewer differences were found between multiracial and black youths.

    The study is published in the American Journal of Orthopsychiatry.

    You may forward this article or get additional permissions by typing http://license.icopyright.net/3.5981?icx_id=20060501-041643-9873r into any web browser.
     

    Bi-racial bone marrow hard to find

    This year's historic election illustrates just how diverse our nation is. But experts say you'd never know that by looking at who's registered to donate bone marrow. One local woman's mixed heritage sheds the spotlight on another growing group of individuals in desperate need.

    But being half white and half Japanese has put her in a unique situation. In April, Krissy was diagnosed with myelodysplastic syndrome.

    "They immediately tested my brother and it was devastating when we found out he was not a match," said Krissy.

    Each year, of the 10,000 to 15,000 patients who need an unrelated bone marrow match only a quarter find one. The odds are much worse for Krissy because she's bi-racial.

    Of the seven million people in the National Marrow Donor Program only 180,000 have multi-racial backgrounds.

    "The larger the donor pool the better chance for finding a match," said Jimmy Loon.
     

    Multiracial patients have tough battle to find marrow matches

    The hopes of his parents, both doctors in San Jose, Calif., immediately turned to a bone marrow transplant, but they soon learned some distressing news — Luke's ethnic heritage made him a tough match.

    Sarah Gaskins, Luke's mother, has Japanese and European ancestors and his father, Lam Do, is Vietnamese-American. Because bone marrow matches usually are made with a relative or someone with the same racial or ethnic background as the patient, multiracial people rarely have success.

    "It's tragic," said Lam Do, who specializes in internal medicine. "Your chance of finding a donor is so low, it's like winning the lottery. And most people are unaware of this."

    Only 2% of those who list their ancestry with the National Marrow Donor Program are multiracial, though the NMDP will — for the first time — study multiracial patients' medical records this year to better understand what kind of marrow tissue they tend to inherit from their parents. The group also will try to more effectively recruit new potential donors, said Helen Ng, an NMDP spokeswoman.

    Today, whites in need of a bone marrow transplant have about a 90% chance of finding a match, said Dr. Patrick Beatty, an oncologist with the Montana Cancer Specialists in Missoula, Mont., who researches ancestry and bone marrow. For those who aren't white, "your chances of getting a match are pretty remote," he said.

    The biological reason has to do with the body's response to infections, Beatty said. Because the world's ancient peoples were exposed to different diseases over millennia, each group developed different tissue antigens, substances that help fight illness.

    The descendants of these peoples retain those highly varied tissue antigens, he said, making it tough to match the bone marrow of individuals from different ancestries.
     

    11-year-old ‘Lion King’ actress dies from leukemia

    Shannon Tavarez, the 11-year-old who starred on Broadway in “The Lion King” and whose battle with leukemia won the hearts of many, including Alicia Keys, Rihanna and 50 Cent, has died.

    Her doctor, Dr. Larry Wolfe, said that a perfect bone marrow match for Shannon could not be found.

    The search for a match was especially daunting because Shannon’s mother is African-American and her father is Hispanic, from the Dominican Republic. For bone marrow transplants, minorities and those of mixed ancestry have a more difficult time finding good matches because there aren’t as many people from those groups signed up as potential donors.
     

    Yeah, baseball Hall of Famer Rod Carew’s daughter’s death from leukemia in 1996 that was really the first I remember concerning difficulties finding marrow matches for mixed-race children. Rod is Afro-Panamanian and his (first) wife was a Russian Jew.

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  202. @Stan D Mute

    She has done nothing to deserve to be held up to ridicule.
     
    Waaah! Steve Sailer wrote something objectively true but unflattering - the horror!

    Good grief, iSteve is one of the last places around where Truth may be told without PC censorship or busybody hand-wringing shrews wailing about hurt feelings. Here he simply cited an unattractive woman as a contrast to an attractive woman. He didn't "ridicule" her. There were no jokes about, "why the long face." He didn't wonder if Pryor was cuckolded by Mr Ed.

    The Truth is that is one seriously homely horse-faced female. If that reality is too upsetting to bear, maybe there is a good blog in Braille you could peruse?

    Waaah! Steve Sailer wrote something objectively true but unflattering – the horror!

    Beauty is subjective, but even if the ugly comments were objective and accurate, it’s just mean for no purpose.

    Sailer points out that Puerto Ricans have low academic test scores. That is offensive, but it serves a real purpose, and is important to understanding the world. Calling a comedian ugly serves no important purpose and is just catty.

    Steve Sailer is an amazing thinker, but he’s not a super model, and it would be childish and mean to highlight that for no reason.

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    You are missing the point, which is that most interracial celebrities are celebrities because, in part, they are good looking, which introduces a selection bias into our assumptions. Rain Pryor is talented enough to be a celebrity without being good looking.
    , @syonredux

    Beauty is subjective,
     
    It's a lot less subjective than people think.They've done studies where people from one racial group have to rate photos of people from another racial group according to beauty, and their ranking usually matches up quite well with the evaluation of the control group (which comes from the same racial group as the group being judged).

    A lot of what goes towards creating beauty is truly universal: clear skin, facial symmetry, etc.
  203. Re: Ashkenazi ancestry

    This study assigns about 40% of Ashkenazi mtdna to European lineages -http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2013/131008/ncomms3543/full/ncomms3543.html. So probably not unambiguously 80% of mtdna from France and Italy.

    Xue, Pe’er and Carmi, a recent 2014 study, estimate about 37% European ancestry allowing sources other then Southern Europe (and they find a signal in the autosome for sources other than Southern Europe, although S Europe does make up 75% of the European contribution) – https://shaicarmi.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/aj_admixture_poster.pdf. Northern European ancestry, particularly Eastern Europe, gives a stronger signal of differentiation from the Middle East so you don’t need as much as that to push a population away.

    Seems fine to me. Maybe even a little less if Palestine has changed a bit since the exodus of the Jews.

    I know Greg Cochran prefers it all to have happened in one go because that makes his IQ selection theory work easier, but I don’t think the science is as unambiguous about it. Although likely the majority did still happen more or less in one go early on (that 75% of the Ashkenazi’s European ancestry from Southern Europe), so likely still not that different to what he imagines happened.

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    Xue, Pe’er and Carmi, a recent 2014 study, estimate about 37% European ancestry allowing sources other then Southern Europe (and they find a signal in the autosome for sources other than Southern Europe, although S Europe does make up 75% of the European contribution) – https://shaicarmi.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/aj_admixture_poster.pdf. Northern European ancestry, particularly Eastern Europe, gives a stronger signal of differentiation from the Middle East so you don’t need as much as that to push a population away.

     

    Are you referring to this study:

    Shai Carmi has his article out on Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry. A few comments:

    First, looks like a good job, on the whole. Perhaps Carmi had special training…

    Second, about dates: they assume a mutation rate of 1.44 x 10-8 per generation, and a generation length of 25 years. I think both of those are a little off. All the directly-measured whole-genome rates are between 0.96×10−8 and 1.20×10−8: I wouldn’t go higher than 1.20 x 10-8 per generation, with what I know now. In the course of looking at paternal age effects, I also checked out the known data on average generation lengths. In no known population is it as short as 25 years: never less than 28 for females, and almost always longer than 28 for males, usually in the 30s. 30 is a much more reasonable generation length than 25.

    The date estimates are inversely related to the assumed mutation rate and directly proportional to the generation length.

    In the article, they estimate an Ashkenazi bottleneck with an effective size of 250-420, 25-32 generations ago. With a mutation rate of 1.2 x 10-8 per generation, that changes to an effective size of 300-500 (not much different) 30-38.4 generations ago.

    By their numbers, we’re talking 625-800 years ago. Adjusted, 900-1150. Since we know for sure that at least some Ashkenazi Jews were in the Rhineland before the year 1000, I think that the revised estimate indicates that the original settlement was the bottleneck, which makes sense.

    Third, about comparison populations: they used Flemings as a sample European population, and estimated the Ashkenazi Jews are 46-50% European. Why Flemings? All the previous analyses have suggested that their European component is from southern Europe. The mtDNA analysis is pretty specific: Italy and France. I think you’d get a better estimate using Italians, and it would probably yield a slightly higher estimate of European admixture.
     
    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2014/09/09/ashkenazi-ancestry-revisited/
    , @syonredux

    This study assigns about 40% of Ashkenazi mtdna to European lineages -http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2013/131008/ncomms3543/full/ncomms3543.html. So probably not unambiguously 80% of mtdna from France and Italy.
     
    Cochran disagrees:

    For some time, we have known that many Jewish populations had mostly-Near Eastern paternal ancestry (looking at y-chromosomes) and mostly-local maternal ancestry looking at mtDNA). Autosomal admixture studies generally agree. This is easiest to see when the host population is fairly distant from Europe or the Near East, and thus has significantly different mtDNA types: it’s obvious in the case of Indian Jews. Roughly speaking, Jewish men settled distant lands, as traders or sometimes refugees and POWs. They married local girls, and later, mostly with the advent of Rabbinical Judaism, rules emerged that forbade further intermarriage – and presto, Roberta’s your aunt.

    It’s a bit more difficult when comparing Europe and the Near East, since there has been a lot of population movement between those regions, most of it from the Near East into Europe in the form of the first farmers. So even though the mixed origin of Jewish populations (Near Eastern men and local women) was clear in a number of cases, it wasn’t so clear in the most important case, the Ashkenazi Jews, who make up most of the world’s Jews and and account for almost all Jewish intellectual accomplishment.

    But even when the same mtDNA haplotypes are found in both Europe and the Near East, the sub-haplotypes are different – the fine details clarify the story.

    Back in 2006, Doron Behar and company looked at Ashkenazi mtDNA. Four mtDNA lineages accounted for almost half: K1a1b1a, K1a9, K2a2a, and N1b. About 20% of Ashkenazi Jews have K1a1b1a mtDNA. Behar concluded that all of these lineages originated in the Near East. This was plausible for N1b (about 9% of Ashkenazi mtDNA), which is common in the Near East and rare in Europe (although it was common back in the LBK culture). He couldn’t find any closely related versions of the K1a9 and K2a2a lineages outside of the Ashkenazim – and went on to say that they probably originated in the Near East, based on nothing. He also concluded that K1a1b1a was probably Near Eastern, since the only close non-Jewish versions were found in Portugal, Italy, France, Morocco, and Tunisia: a conclusion which flew in the face of what evidence he had. It is if one knew that all the languages closely related to Russian (Polish, Ukrainian, Serbian, etc) were found in Eastern Europe, and then concluded that the Russian language must therefore have originated in South Africa.


    In other words, Doron Behar is a liar. I was going to include something about the probable origins of Ashkenazi mtDNA (mostly Italian) and Behar’s follies in the book. I wrote it up (in a little essay titled “Special K”), but space prohibited, and anyhow liars are boring.

    A new paper by Maria Costa et al (with Martin Richards as senior author) settles the issue. We have a lot more data now – more people, and more detail. Turns out that all of those major Ashkenazi mtDNA lineages originated in Western Europe – even N1b, fairly rare in Europe. The majority of the less common Ashkenazi mtDNA lineages also originated in Europe – probably mostly in Italy. Altogether, > 80% of Ashkenazi maternal ancestry is European – mostly Italian, but a bit from France and Germany as well.

    You may have heard of Arthur Koestler’s Khazar hypothesis – the notion that Europeans Jews are largely descended from Khazar converts. It’s not true – these results show that it is impossible. Charles Murray suggested that selection leading to higher intelligence in Jews occurred a long time ago, as far back as the Babylonian Captivity. That’s not true either. It never made any sense, because there’s not a scintilla of evidence that Jews in Classical times were smarter than the average bear – but the Ashkenazim being half Italian crushed it yet again. If ancestral Jews had the genetic IQ magic, the Ashkenazim should be watered-down, closer to the European norm: but they’re not.

    Lots of European admixture does not contradict our model of the evolution of superior Ashkenazi intelligence, because we think that the relevant selection occurred well after that admixture, during a period in which inward gene flow among the Ashkenazim was very low – as evidence by the fact that this study found plenty of Italian mtDNA, but little from Eastern Europe.

    As Michael Balter cheerfully points out in Science, this result may be a bit troublesome to those that believe that Jewish identity descends through the female line. In that case, most Ashkenazi Jews – aren’t.


    I haven’t heard anyone else mention this, but logically, someone who is Ashkenazi could now decide that he and his cousins are really the true heirs of the Roman Empire, rather than a member of the Chosen People. I’m sure that wouldn’t cause any trouble.

    Doe this mean that the Palestinians have a better genealogical claim to the land of Israel than the Ashkenazi Jews? Maybe – but over the years, they’ve mixed too. They have a lot of South Arabian and African ancestry that wasn’t there 2000 years ago. That’s true of much of the Middle East – but that’s another post… I’m sure that modern DNA technology will answer this question anytime anyone cares to look, and obviously everyone will accept the verdict of Science, whatever it may be.

    Anyhow, if Italy really is the Ashkenazi urheimat, that’s not so bad. I’d trade the Judean Hills for Tuscany in a New York minute. And even if trading homelands would require some toe-to-toe combat with the Italians – how hard would that be, really?
     
    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2013/10/08/jewish-moms/
    , @gcochran
    You misread both articles. The first article does indeed say that >80% of Ashkenazi mtDNA lineages are European: "Overall, we estimate that most (>80%) Ashkenazi mtDNAs were assimilated within Europe." Clear enough? They spent some space talking about the four biggest mtDNA lineages among the Ashkenazi Jews: they add up to about 40%, and all are European. But there are more European lineages among the Ashkenazim than just those four: thus, >80%

    The second article (by Carmi etc) estimates the total Southern European component of admixture to be 35% of the total, but they also estimate that 12% is from East Europe and 3% from Western Europe - which adds up to 50%. Discovering a small component from Eastern Europe is not so surprising.
  204. @Massimo Heitor

    Waaah! Steve Sailer wrote something objectively true but unflattering – the horror!
     
    Beauty is subjective, but even if the ugly comments were objective and accurate, it's just mean for no purpose.

    Sailer points out that Puerto Ricans have low academic test scores. That is offensive, but it serves a real purpose, and is important to understanding the world. Calling a comedian ugly serves no important purpose and is just catty.

    Steve Sailer is an amazing thinker, but he's not a super model, and it would be childish and mean to highlight that for no reason.

    You are missing the point, which is that most interracial celebrities are celebrities because, in part, they are good looking, which introduces a selection bias into our assumptions. Rain Pryor is talented enough to be a celebrity without being good looking.

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    Rashida Jones mother was a model that was once linked to Elvis. Rashida was going to have the vigor whether it was hybrid or not. It's like she's more "striking", while her mom, Peggy Lipton, was traditionally hot.
  205. @Massimo Heitor

    Waaah! Steve Sailer wrote something objectively true but unflattering – the horror!
     
    Beauty is subjective, but even if the ugly comments were objective and accurate, it's just mean for no purpose.

    Sailer points out that Puerto Ricans have low academic test scores. That is offensive, but it serves a real purpose, and is important to understanding the world. Calling a comedian ugly serves no important purpose and is just catty.

    Steve Sailer is an amazing thinker, but he's not a super model, and it would be childish and mean to highlight that for no reason.

    Beauty is subjective,

    It’s a lot less subjective than people think.They’ve done studies where people from one racial group have to rate photos of people from another racial group according to beauty, and their ranking usually matches up quite well with the evaluation of the control group (which comes from the same racial group as the group being judged).

    A lot of what goes towards creating beauty is truly universal: clear skin, facial symmetry, etc.

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  206. Twinkie: People are very confused (or ignorant) about the relationship between baby cranium size differences and pelvic widths of mothers by race.

    IRC, not much of a correlation between head circumference at birth and as adults. As opposed to overall brain size. Brains and skulls at birth are very plastic and quite happy to deform (like a soft skulled rat’s head). You get a bit of a correlation via circumference-> size pathway, but the brain circumference isn’t a limiting factor really as it just squashes for a few mins / hours and then slowly returns to a normal shape.

    There was a theory that size of children, particularly in the brain, tended to be limited by pelvic size, but actually that’s now thought to be wrong

    http://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-08-refutes-long-held-theory-mother-metabolism.html#nRlv

    And at the same time, wider hips do not equal less efficient locomotion.

    http://phys.org/news/2015-03-obstetrical-dilemma-wide-hips-efficient.html

    So hip size probably matters a little, but isn’t that important.

    In terms of ethnic groups, there are some studies on Singaporean Chinese newborn children (which are easy to google – e.g. newborn Chinese singapore head circumference), and they certainly have smaller head circumference at birth than Europeans. Not much difference between them and the Singaporean Indians or Malays, IRC. Same with Hong Kong Chinese.

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    "And at the same time, wider hips do not equal less efficient locomotion."

    Then why don't women have even wider hips to make childbirth easier?

  207. @AnomalousAnonymous
    Re: Ashkenazi ancestry

    This study assigns about 40% of Ashkenazi mtdna to European lineages -http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2013/131008/ncomms3543/full/ncomms3543.html. So probably not unambiguously 80% of mtdna from France and Italy.

    Xue, Pe'er and Carmi, a recent 2014 study, estimate about 37% European ancestry allowing sources other then Southern Europe (and they find a signal in the autosome for sources other than Southern Europe, although S Europe does make up 75% of the European contribution) - https://shaicarmi.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/aj_admixture_poster.pdf. Northern European ancestry, particularly Eastern Europe, gives a stronger signal of differentiation from the Middle East so you don't need as much as that to push a population away.

    Seems fine to me. Maybe even a little less if Palestine has changed a bit since the exodus of the Jews.

    I know Greg Cochran prefers it all to have happened in one go because that makes his IQ selection theory work easier, but I don't think the science is as unambiguous about it. Although likely the majority did still happen more or less in one go early on (that 75% of the Ashkenazi's European ancestry from Southern Europe), so likely still not that different to what he imagines happened.

    Xue, Pe’er and Carmi, a recent 2014 study, estimate about 37% European ancestry allowing sources other then Southern Europe (and they find a signal in the autosome for sources other than Southern Europe, although S Europe does make up 75% of the European contribution) – https://shaicarmi.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/aj_admixture_poster.pdf. Northern European ancestry, particularly Eastern Europe, gives a stronger signal of differentiation from the Middle East so you don’t need as much as that to push a population away.

    Are you referring to this study:

    Shai Carmi has his article out on Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry. A few comments:

    First, looks like a good job, on the whole. Perhaps Carmi had special training…

    Second, about dates: they assume a mutation rate of 1.44 x 10-8 per generation, and a generation length of 25 years. I think both of those are a little off. All the directly-measured whole-genome rates are between 0.96×10−8 and 1.20×10−8: I wouldn’t go higher than 1.20 x 10-8 per generation, with what I know now. In the course of looking at paternal age effects, I also checked out the known data on average generation lengths. In no known population is it as short as 25 years: never less than 28 for females, and almost always longer than 28 for males, usually in the 30s. 30 is a much more reasonable generation length than 25.

    The date estimates are inversely related to the assumed mutation rate and directly proportional to the generation length.

    In the article, they estimate an Ashkenazi bottleneck with an effective size of 250-420, 25-32 generations ago. With a mutation rate of 1.2 x 10-8 per generation, that changes to an effective size of 300-500 (not much different) 30-38.4 generations ago.

    By their numbers, we’re talking 625-800 years ago. Adjusted, 900-1150. Since we know for sure that at least some Ashkenazi Jews were in the Rhineland before the year 1000, I think that the revised estimate indicates that the original settlement was the bottleneck, which makes sense.

    Third, about comparison populations: they used Flemings as a sample European population, and estimated the Ashkenazi Jews are 46-50% European. Why Flemings? All the previous analyses have suggested that their European component is from southern Europe. The mtDNA analysis is pretty specific: Italy and France. I think you’d get a better estimate using Italians, and it would probably yield a slightly higher estimate of European admixture.

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2014/09/09/ashkenazi-ancestry-revisited/

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  208. prosa123 [AKA "Peter"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Rain Pryor may not be gorgeous, but she seems like a decent person. As best I can tell she identifies as biracial. That’s a very refreshing change from all the mixed people who preach about how authentically black they are, while pretending their white parents don’t exist.

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  209. …but the whole thing makes me question whether or not the “one drop rule” was such a good idea. Hindsight being 20/20 and all, would race relations be healthier in this country if the powers that were just said, “Once you hit the 75% mark, you’re officially white”?

    They didn’t have a one-drop rule in Brazil. (Read Degler’s “Neither Black nor White”.) Which rule produced better results?

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  210. @AnomalousAnonymous
    Twinkie: People are very confused (or ignorant) about the relationship between baby cranium size differences and pelvic widths of mothers by race.

    IRC, not much of a correlation between head circumference at birth and as adults. As opposed to overall brain size. Brains and skulls at birth are very plastic and quite happy to deform (like a soft skulled rat's head). You get a bit of a correlation via circumference-> size pathway, but the brain circumference isn't a limiting factor really as it just squashes for a few mins / hours and then slowly returns to a normal shape.

    There was a theory that size of children, particularly in the brain, tended to be limited by pelvic size, but actually that's now thought to be wrong

    http://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-08-refutes-long-held-theory-mother-metabolism.html#nRlv

    And at the same time, wider hips do not equal less efficient locomotion.

    http://phys.org/news/2015-03-obstetrical-dilemma-wide-hips-efficient.html

    So hip size probably matters a little, but isn't that important.

    In terms of ethnic groups, there are some studies on Singaporean Chinese newborn children (which are easy to google - e.g. newborn Chinese singapore head circumference), and they certainly have smaller head circumference at birth than Europeans. Not much difference between them and the Singaporean Indians or Malays, IRC. Same with Hong Kong Chinese.

    “And at the same time, wider hips do not equal less efficient locomotion.”

    Then why don’t women have even wider hips to make childbirth easier?

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    You've gotta keep the sperm in...Super wide hips strike me as troublesome

    Better to have small hips that easily expand like a snake's mouth
  211. @AnomalousAnonymous
    Re: Ashkenazi ancestry

    This study assigns about 40% of Ashkenazi mtdna to European lineages -http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2013/131008/ncomms3543/full/ncomms3543.html. So probably not unambiguously 80% of mtdna from France and Italy.

    Xue, Pe'er and Carmi, a recent 2014 study, estimate about 37% European ancestry allowing sources other then Southern Europe (and they find a signal in the autosome for sources other than Southern Europe, although S Europe does make up 75% of the European contribution) - https://shaicarmi.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/aj_admixture_poster.pdf. Northern European ancestry, particularly Eastern Europe, gives a stronger signal of differentiation from the Middle East so you don't need as much as that to push a population away.

    Seems fine to me. Maybe even a little less if Palestine has changed a bit since the exodus of the Jews.

    I know Greg Cochran prefers it all to have happened in one go because that makes his IQ selection theory work easier, but I don't think the science is as unambiguous about it. Although likely the majority did still happen more or less in one go early on (that 75% of the Ashkenazi's European ancestry from Southern Europe), so likely still not that different to what he imagines happened.

    This study assigns about 40% of Ashkenazi mtdna to European lineages -http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2013/131008/ncomms3543/full/ncomms3543.html. So probably not unambiguously 80% of mtdna from France and Italy.

    Cochran disagrees:

    For some time, we have known that many Jewish populations had mostly-Near Eastern paternal ancestry (looking at y-chromosomes) and mostly-local maternal ancestry looking at mtDNA). Autosomal admixture studies generally agree. This is easiest to see when the host population is fairly distant from Europe or the Near East, and thus has significantly different mtDNA types: it’s obvious in the case of Indian Jews. Roughly speaking, Jewish men settled distant lands, as traders or sometimes refugees and POWs. They married local girls, and later, mostly with the advent of Rabbinical Judaism, rules emerged that forbade further intermarriage – and presto, Roberta’s your aunt.

    It’s a bit more difficult when comparing Europe and the Near East, since there has been a lot of population movement between those regions, most of it from the Near East into Europe in the form of the first farmers. So even though the mixed origin of Jewish populations (Near Eastern men and local women) was clear in a number of cases, it wasn’t so clear in the most important case, the Ashkenazi Jews, who make up most of the world’s Jews and and account for almost all Jewish intellectual accomplishment.

    But even when the same mtDNA haplotypes are found in both Europe and the Near East, the sub-haplotypes are different – the fine details clarify the story.

    Back in 2006, Doron Behar and company looked at Ashkenazi mtDNA. Four mtDNA lineages accounted for almost half: K1a1b1a, K1a9, K2a2a, and N1b. About 20% of Ashkenazi Jews have K1a1b1a mtDNA. Behar concluded that all of these lineages originated in the Near East. This was plausible for N1b (about 9% of Ashkenazi mtDNA), which is common in the Near East and rare in Europe (although it was common back in the LBK culture). He couldn’t find any closely related versions of the K1a9 and K2a2a lineages outside of the Ashkenazim – and went on to say that they probably originated in the Near East, based on nothing. He also concluded that K1a1b1a was probably Near Eastern, since the only close non-Jewish versions were found in Portugal, Italy, France, Morocco, and Tunisia: a conclusion which flew in the face of what evidence he had. It is if one knew that all the languages closely related to Russian (Polish, Ukrainian, Serbian, etc) were found in Eastern Europe, and then concluded that the Russian language must therefore have originated in South Africa.

    In other words, Doron Behar is a liar. I was going to include something about the probable origins of Ashkenazi mtDNA (mostly Italian) and Behar’s follies in the book. I wrote it up (in a little essay titled “Special K”), but space prohibited, and anyhow liars are boring.

    A new paper by Maria Costa et al (with Martin Richards as senior author) settles the issue. We have a lot more data now – more people, and more detail. Turns out that all of those major Ashkenazi mtDNA lineages originated in Western Europe – even N1b, fairly rare in Europe. The majority of the less common Ashkenazi mtDNA lineages also originated in Europe – probably mostly in Italy. Altogether, > 80% of Ashkenazi maternal ancestry is European – mostly Italian, but a bit from France and Germany as well.

    You may have heard of Arthur Koestler’s Khazar hypothesis – the notion that Europeans Jews are largely descended from Khazar converts. It’s not true – these results show that it is impossible. Charles Murray suggested that selection leading to higher intelligence in Jews occurred a long time ago, as far back as the Babylonian Captivity. That’s not true either. It never made any sense, because there’s not a scintilla of evidence that Jews in Classical times were smarter than the average bear – but the Ashkenazim being half Italian crushed it yet again. If ancestral Jews had the genetic IQ magic, the Ashkenazim should be watered-down, closer to the European norm: but they’re not.

    Lots of European admixture does not contradict our model of the evolution of superior Ashkenazi intelligence, because we think that the relevant selection occurred well after that admixture, during a period in which inward gene flow among the Ashkenazim was very low – as evidence by the fact that this study found plenty of Italian mtDNA, but little from Eastern Europe.

    As Michael Balter cheerfully points out in Science, this result may be a bit troublesome to those that believe that Jewish identity descends through the female line. In that case, most Ashkenazi Jews – aren’t.

    I haven’t heard anyone else mention this, but logically, someone who is Ashkenazi could now decide that he and his cousins are really the true heirs of the Roman Empire, rather than a member of the Chosen People. I’m sure that wouldn’t cause any trouble.

    Doe this mean that the Palestinians have a better genealogical claim to the land of Israel than the Ashkenazi Jews? Maybe – but over the years, they’ve mixed too. They have a lot of South Arabian and African ancestry that wasn’t there 2000 years ago. That’s true of much of the Middle East – but that’s another post… I’m sure that modern DNA technology will answer this question anytime anyone cares to look, and obviously everyone will accept the verdict of Science, whatever it may be.

    Anyhow, if Italy really is the Ashkenazi urheimat, that’s not so bad. I’d trade the Judean Hills for Tuscany in a New York minute. And even if trading homelands would require some toe-to-toe combat with the Italians – how hard would that be, really?

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2013/10/08/jewish-moms/

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  212. @Robbie
    Ok I'll say it...

    Do you notice how we focus on the interracial children's looks? Whether they are hot or not?

    That says a lot about our society and our values now in the age of DailyMail photo ops and Miley Cyrus. Once women and men had Qualities...Honesty, Virtue, Self-Control, Discipline, Intelligence, Loyalty...

    I'm younger than a lot of people here, and I know quite a few interracial people. My opinion is that they are lacking in the values...(those superior being half-asians included and make up the majority of my sample)...and I'm not the only person who notices...because a few nasty internet searches using say the word 'whore' will get you many nice hits from people like me who notice patterns

    The Amish and their 'Plainness' may be on to something...

    There are many, many websites and discussion boards from Hapa's who have issues...the boys hate their asian mothers, the white looking girls hate their white dads AND asian mothers (Imagine being a white looking female who is the product of wm/af and know that your father hates white women...aka You?...Yeah...)

    What do you get when you cross a pervert with no social graces with a woman who will have sex with someone for the chance to leave her own country? Both of whom will sleep with anyone provided they have functioning genitalia, and don’t care that their kids won’t fit in. Not the case always but describes a lot of mail order families.

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  213. @AnomalousAnonymous
    Re: Ashkenazi ancestry

    This study assigns about 40% of Ashkenazi mtdna to European lineages -http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2013/131008/ncomms3543/full/ncomms3543.html. So probably not unambiguously 80% of mtdna from France and Italy.

    Xue, Pe'er and Carmi, a recent 2014 study, estimate about 37% European ancestry allowing sources other then Southern Europe (and they find a signal in the autosome for sources other than Southern Europe, although S Europe does make up 75% of the European contribution) - https://shaicarmi.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/aj_admixture_poster.pdf. Northern European ancestry, particularly Eastern Europe, gives a stronger signal of differentiation from the Middle East so you don't need as much as that to push a population away.

    Seems fine to me. Maybe even a little less if Palestine has changed a bit since the exodus of the Jews.

    I know Greg Cochran prefers it all to have happened in one go because that makes his IQ selection theory work easier, but I don't think the science is as unambiguous about it. Although likely the majority did still happen more or less in one go early on (that 75% of the Ashkenazi's European ancestry from Southern Europe), so likely still not that different to what he imagines happened.

    You misread both articles. The first article does indeed say that >80% of Ashkenazi mtDNA lineages are European: “Overall, we estimate that most (>80%) Ashkenazi mtDNAs were assimilated within Europe.” Clear enough? They spent some space talking about the four biggest mtDNA lineages among the Ashkenazi Jews: they add up to about 40%, and all are European. But there are more European lineages among the Ashkenazim than just those four: thus, >80%

    The second article (by Carmi etc) estimates the total Southern European component of admixture to be 35% of the total, but they also estimate that 12% is from East Europe and 3% from Western Europe – which adds up to 50%. Discovering a small component from Eastern Europe is not so surprising.

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  214. @Steve Sailer
    "And at the same time, wider hips do not equal less efficient locomotion."

    Then why don't women have even wider hips to make childbirth easier?

    You’ve gotta keep the sperm in…Super wide hips strike me as troublesome

    Better to have small hips that easily expand like a snake’s mouth

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    @Twinkie

    Depends on which Asian women. The study on C-sections that’s frequently cited included East Asians, Southeast Asians, South Asians such as Indians, and Pacific Islanders under the Asian group. East Asian babies tend to have larger cranium size at birth than European babies. I imagine the hybrids have intermediate cranium size and consequently may be easier births for East Asian mothers.
     
    Yes, indeed. People are very confused (or ignorant) about the relationship between baby cranium size differences and pelvic widths of mothers by race. Most people assume that because black women have a lot of fat on their hips that they have the widest pelvis. That just ain't so.

    Caesareans vary significantly within and between races and populations as well as across time periods. I’m not sure how much they’re related to head or pelvis size.

    There was a study that looked at Caesareans among White and Asian/White couples and found that Asian father/White mother couples had the lowest rate at 23%, and White father/Asian mother couples had the highest rate at 33.2%:

    http://scienceblogs.com/gnxp/2008/10/03/the-prenatal-wages-of-interrac/

    The average in the US is around 33% but varies significantly by state, from 23% to 40%. China currently has among the highest rates at around 46%, and Italy has among the highest rates in Europe at 40%:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesarean_section#Usage

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  216. @Gender_Inflation
    Ban women from the comments section.

    Otherwise, welcome to Shamefest 2015! With your 15, 30, and 45 minutes of shame sessions! Book now.

    Shame on you too! There are a lot of ugly people on this planet. Women and men. So, is that news? There are just as many beautiful mixed race women as ugly ones. So Steve’s dig at Rain was illustrative of what????

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  217. @JohnnyWalker123
    German Jews were always seen as more culturally gifted than Eastern Euro Jews. Based on what I've seen, the German Jews share much stronger phenotypic similarity with the gentile population.

    I beg to differ.

    In the USA, today “them Ashkenazis” are from the Eastern European immigration.

    The German Jews have mostly faded away.

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  218. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Jefferson
    "Whenever I see tall white men with toy Asian wives I lament the waste of height, and I wonder if the man had considered how his choice of mate might impact the size and girth of any sons resulting from their union."

    Most men prefer to date/marry women who are shorter than them. That is why Asian women are a hot commodity in the Heterosexual dating/marriage market and most WNBA women are not.

    “I wonder if the man had considered how his choice of mate might impact the size and girth of any sons resulting from their union.”

    I consider it highly unlikely – Asians who are born and raised in Western countries rapidly outstrip their co-ethnics back home in height and stature due to nutritional changes (milk, beef and wheat in my opinion).

    My parents are both of Taiwanese background and stand little more than five feet in height. I’m six two and weigh around 200 pounds (little fat), and I know plenty of other overseas Chinese who are of similar height and build.

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  219. @Anonymous Nephew
    A friend is Chinese, 5'0'', husband English and 6'4". Three sons and a daughter, all about 5'10", so not a huge height loss.

    What about the horizontal height of the 3 sons if you know what I mean? Marrying an Asian can have a detrimental effect on that.

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  220. @syonredux

    What type of niche were the Sephardim confined to?
     
    Cochran has weighed in:

    Mostly small artisans and craftsmen.
     
    So, not agriculturalists/herdsmen (like the bulk of the Muslim population in West Asia-North Africa) but also not concentrated (like the Ashkenazi) in estate management, money-lending, tax-farming, etc,

    Thanks.

    I think being more concentrated in the financier niche is a critical factor in Ashkenazi Jewish evolution, but it’d wouldn’t surprise me if they benefited from gene flow from the Western Euro population. Especially in Germany.

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  221. @Steve Sailer
    You are missing the point, which is that most interracial celebrities are celebrities because, in part, they are good looking, which introduces a selection bias into our assumptions. Rain Pryor is talented enough to be a celebrity without being good looking.

    Rashida Jones mother was a model that was once linked to Elvis. Rashida was going to have the vigor whether it was hybrid or not. It’s like she’s more “striking”, while her mom, Peggy Lipton, was traditionally hot.

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  222. @syonredux

    Being more highly concentrated in a financier niche may have raised their overall IQ, but don’t Jews also have substantial talents in areas like art and literature?
     
    Literature, sure: Bellow, Roth, Kafka, etc

    Art is a bit iffier.Jewish prohibitions on images prevented strong traditions in sculpture or painting from emerging.Offhand, I can't think of too many highly regarded Jewish painters.Modigliani, a few others, maybe

    Would being in that niche have produced that type of population?

    Or can we assume that having a generally high IQ means that Jews can do well in any g-correlated field, but that Jews have no selective advantage on top of what IQ would’ve provided?
     
    I think that you're pretty safe in saying that high IQ is necessary for high achievement in art in literature.


    As for why some groups excel in some areas but not others, that's more difficult.Take the Angl0s, for example.Outstanding accomplishments in film, literature, physics, technology, astronomy, biology, etc.However, their accomplishments in music and painting are pretty meager when compared to what the Germans, Italians, and Dutch have done.

    Lots of Jews do well in music too.

    Jews seem to outperform what mean IQ alone would suggest, so perhaps non-measurable cognitive abilities were also enhanced by their economic niche or there was some benefit from mixing with the Euro population.

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  223. Svigor: I think “Central Asia, Latin America, North Africa” is the only answer we really need for that statement.

    Central Asia is a low achieving region, but the women are pretty. So I guess that’s one benefit.

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    Also cleanest prostitutes in the region.

    (Except of course for Turkmenistan.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfPrQqbikb4
  224. @Another Anon
    Being an engineer and living in Southern California I get to see the offspring of a lot of Asian/White marriages. In my opinion, better looking kids result when the woman is white. I find the children of a lot of the white male/asian woman combos are kind of ugly, usually worse than an asian/asian combo. Maybe that's because most of the males I see with asian wives are often not very good looking (and frankly, most of their wives aren't that attractive either - e.g., Zuckerberg's wife). Finding a bone marrow match is a big problem when you are mixed race.

    It could be that for Asian male – White female pairings the male needs to be attractive and tall to get a White woman. In White male – Asian female, the male may typically be the nerdy average or dorky looking White male. The Asian female may be average looking and still get the dorky White male because he has little choice.

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  225. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Svigor: I think “Central Asia, Latin America, North Africa” is the only answer we really need for that statement.

     

    Central Asia is a low achieving region, but the women are pretty. So I guess that's one benefit.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDQ2Yg_ALrA

    Also cleane