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From the Washington Post:

The one thing rich parents do for their kids that makes all the difference
By Emily Badger May 10 at 6:30 AM

Wealthy parents are famously pouring more and more into their children, widening the gap in who has access to piano lessons and math tutors and French language camp. The biggest investment the rich can make in their kids, though — one with equally profound consequences for the poor — has less to do with “enrichment” than real estate.

They can buy their children pricey homes in nice neighborhoods with good school districts.

Like I’ve said once or twice, the worst problem with being poor in today’s America is not that you can’t afford to buy enough food, it’s that you can’t afford to get away from other poor people.

“Forty to fifty years of social-science research tells us what an important context neighborhoods are, so buying a neighborhood is probably one of the most important things you can do for your kid,” says Ann Owens, a sociologist at the University of Southern California. “There’s mixed evidence on whether buying all this other stuff matters, to0. But buying a neighborhood basically provides huge advantages.”

I pointed this out in my 2003 review of Elizabeth Warren’s book The Two-Income Trap: Why Middle-Class Mothers and Fathers Are Going Broke. I quoted Warren and her daughter writing:

“The average two-income family earns far more today than did the single-breadwinner family of a generation ago. And yet, once they have paid the mortgage, the car payments, the taxes, the health insurance, and the day-care bills, today`s dual-income families have less discretionary—and less money to put away for a rainy day—than the single-income family of a generation ago.”

The two authors note:

“The brunt of the price increases has fallen on families with children. Data from the Federal Reserve show that the median home value for the average childless individual increased by 23 percent between 1983 and 1998 … (adjusted for inflation). For married couples with children, however, housing prices shot up 79 percent—more than three times faster.” …

Warren and Tyagi made an impressive survey of 2200 families that declared bankruptcy. “Our study showed that married couples with children are more than twice as likely to file for bankruptcy as their childless counterparts,” they write. This will come as no surprise to married couples with children. Even more striking: “This year more people will declare themselves bankrupt than will suffer a heart attack.”

The biggest single cause of this growing financial stress on middle-income parents: the breakdown of much of the public education system. As Warren and Tyagi note,

“Even as millions of mothers marched into the workforce, savings declined, and not, as we will show, because families were frittering away their paychecks on toys for themselves or their children. Instead, families were swept up in a bidding war, competing furiously with one another for their most important possession: a house in a decent school district… ”

Back to the WaPo in 2016:

Owens’s latest research, published in the American Sociological Review, suggests that wealthy parents snapping up such homes have driven the rise of income segregation in America since 1990. The rich and non-rich are less and less likely to share the same neighborhoods in the United States, a trend shaped more by the behavior of the wealthy than the poor or middle class. Owens’s work, though, adds another twist: The recent rise of income segregation, she finds, is almost entirely caused by what’s happening among families with children.

Since 1990, income segregation hasn’t actually changed much among households without kids. That’s two-thirds of the population.

“Yes income segregation is rising,” Owens says, “but this is really a story about kids.”

Children aren’t evenly distributed across communities. You’re more likely to find them in, say, the suburbs of Fairfax County than in Chinatown in the District. So the environments they and their families occupy don’t necessarily reflect the experience of the typical American household. Along a number of divides, whether by race or poverty levels, children tend to live with more segregation than the population at large.

In her study, Owens looked at income segregation patterns across neighborhoods in the 100 largest metros in the United States. From 1990 to 2010, income segregation among families with children rose by about 20 percent. By 2010, income segregation was twice as high among families with children younger than 18 living at home as among households without them. That means that a typical childless household lives among more diverse neighbors from across the economic spectrum than does the typical family with children.

The nationwide phenomenon of rising income segregation is in effect the aggregate outcome of parents who can afford to [be] jockeying for position for their kids. And as income inequality has widened over this same time, the rich have more and more money to spend on the real estate arms race to get into wealthy neighborhoods, where everyone else is wealthy, too (and the same can be said of the local classrooms).

Owens’s research suggests that rising income inequality hasn’t translated into the same residential sorting effect for households without children. That’s perhaps because the childless rich — including so-called DINKs — are spending their greater wealth on other luxuries, such as expensive restaurants, travel and entertainment. Given that school quality is embedded in the high cost of housing in many communities (think Northwest Washington), it’s also logical that households without children would decline to pay a premium for an amenity they don’t plan to use.

Owens additionally argues that as wealthy parents are spending their added resources on housing, they’re choosing that housing with schools particularly in mind. In her data, there’s wider income segregation among families with children in “fragmented” metropolitan areas that have more school districts for parents to choose from, allowing greater sorting between low-quality and coveted districts.

This the comparison I make between L.A.’s two big suburbs, the San Fernando Valley (mostly LAUSD, except Burbank and Glendale) and the San Gabriel Valley (many school districts, with the Chinese picking out certain ones like Arcadia to boost into the stratosphere of prices).

… Owens’s work has a fascinating policy implication. Advocates of integrated schools — which researchers believe provide greater benefits for poorer and minority students — often argue that we should use housing policy to address deeply entrenched educational inequalities. Build more affordable housing in good school districts, or simply break down inclusionary housing policies there, and we’d create more integrated schools.

“We always think, well, we’re never going to have integrated schools as long as we have such highly segregated neighborhoods,” she says. “I want to point out maybe we’ll never have integrated neighborhoods if we have segregated schools.”

Nationally, of course, the massive problem is that we’re running out of white kids to use to uplift NAM kids.

If we found ways to integrate schools — as former District Mayor Vincent C. Gray (D) controversially proposed two years ago — that might take some of the exclusivity out of certain neighborhoods. School quality is capitalized into housing prices, making those neighborhoods unaffordable to many families. Imagine, for instance, if all the public schools in the District or the Washington region were integrated and of comparable quality. Families might pay more to live in Northwest to be near Rock Creek Park. But you’d see fewer home-bidding wars there just to access scarce school quality. More to the point, homes families already paid handsomely to buy might lose some of their value.

Bret Schundler, a favorite of the Wall Street Journal editorial page, ran as the Republican candidate for governor of New Jersey in 2001 on this platform: vouchers for everybody! He did badly in the wealthy suburbs a Republican needs to win.

Most nice school districts figure they could take on a few more blacks, but there’s a huge danger of the process getting out of control and your school district, and thus your net worth, being wiped out by integration (e.g., the Austin neighborhood on the West Side of Chicago).

Here’s an idea for liberals to consider: you like racial quotas for everything else, why not racial quotas for schools? The legendary “black a block” quota furtively imposed on real estate agents is what saved Oak Park, IL from the fate of Austin next door.

So, impose maximum quotas for different races.

The problem is that liberals like to argue that racial quotas don’t violate the 14th Amendment because they are anti-white, while pro-white quotas would be unthinkable.

So liberal Oak Park had to save itself with a pro-white quota that it kept secret. But, everybody, including fans of Prairie Style architecture and Oak Park’s middle class residents, benefited from preventing white flight from Oak Park.

Of course, there isn’t much evidence that the kind of progressive education techniques that liberal white school districts like are good for blacks. Blacks seem to do best in KIPP-style boot camp schools with strict discipline and back to basic fundamentals. But not a lot of highly educated whites want to send their 1.6 children to KIPP charters.

 
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  1. SFG says:

    You’ve got a problem I don’t see how to fix. Whatever neighborhood takes the poor blacks (and whites, for that matter) is going to suffer. I suppose it might be possible to spread them around to the point where they don’t exist anywhere in enough numbers to really drag things down, but that would require a level of government coordination that just can’t be done in a republic.

    And they’d be at the bottom of every class.

    Besides, we can’t all have ‘good schools’, like we can’t all go to Harvard.

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    • Replies: @27 year old
    We could easily all "go to Harvard": view lectures and submit work online.
    , @Olorin
    Back in the late 1970s and early '80s I interacted with an up-and-coming industrial waste treatment facility started by chemist guys let go from a multinational corporation that was bound and determined not to let burgeoning reams of pesky old scientific data stop them from discharging their carcinogenic effluent into the Delaware River.

    One of my organic chem journal articles had a sentence I have never forgotten:

    The solution to pollution is not dilution.
    , @NickG

    but that would require a level of government coordination that just can’t be done in a republic.
     
    Singapore style policy, which controls the ethnic mix in residential areas and schools, is required but Singapore is not a liberal democracy. To borrow from Lee Kuan Yew - Multiculturalism or Liberal Democracy - pick one?
    , @James O'Meara
    What "level of coordination"? A simple law, "one black per block." No more complicated than issuing bicycle licenses.
    , @guest
    It's not a real problem, though. Or not one a healthy civilization would worry about. Let them go where they will!
    , @Dr. X

    I suppose it might be possible to spread them around to the point where they don’t exist anywhere in enough numbers to really drag things down, but that would require a level of government coordination that just can’t be done in a republic.

     

    Ummm... hate to say it, but the Supreme Court's recent decision on "disparate impact" and current HUD policy is doing EXACTLY that -- trying to spread minorities on public assistance into white suburbs.

    http://nypost.com/2016/05/08/obamas-last-act-is-to-force-suburbs-to-be-less-white-and-less-wealthy/

    Of, course, you're right at this wouldn't happen in a republic... but I would venture that we are no longer a republic, we are a dictatorship of the courts and the bureaucracy.

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  2. Jefferson says:

    “Like I’ve said once or twice, the worst problem with being poor in today’s America is not that you can’t afford to buy enough food, it’s that you can’t afford to get away from other poor people.”

    Most of the Black middle class can not get away from other poor Black people, because they are in most cases part of the same family.

    Even the most powerful Black man in the world Barack Hussein Obama has Black family members who live in poverty.

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    Even the most powerful Black man in the world Barack Hussein Obama has Black family members who live in poverty.
     
    And Obama likes them to live in poverty. It helps the narrative.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    You could take the opposite approach: spread the white kids around. Take a page from Jack Welch: the bottom 10% of white students get bussed to Central High next year. Improve student performance and desegregate at the same time: win-win.
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  3. DaJuice says:

    I think you are forgetting you are basing this on a sample size of one. It might have just been a fluke.

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  4. Whiskey says: • Website

    And to reemphasize what SFG noted, there is considerable dynastic/hereditary competition among different groups of White people to pull the ladder up, or scale the walls, depending on if someone comes from West Virginia or Georgetown.

    This is just more of the eternal inter-White war, for status, power, and hereditary entitlement, that never went away from White people; if anything got even worse.

    Anytime a non-elite White kid does well in school, that kid is a threat to an average kid like say, Ben Rhodes at age 10. Who just happens to come from a wealthy hereditary family. So there is a built in incentive to kick the ladders of upward mobility out to prevent the sweet deal from being shared. As Steve noted, casino Indians kick out members of the tribe; they don’t add them when they get a casino.

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    • Replies: @SFG
    Sure, but remember, it's not just whites that have inter-white wars. People in every country struggle for power. Race just adds an extra fault line because people feel more kinship (literally) to people who look more like them. So more diversity means more Hobbesianism and less social democracy. Vermont and Sweden look the same for the same reason.
    , @Lagertha
    Someday, I hope, the greatest thing I ever did was to place (your words, Whiskey,: a non-elite, white kid) a low-income kid, genius-level white boy, from horrendous circumstances, into college. He's thriving at a state university, far away from the sadness of his past/home.

    This kid is a bona fide genius in STEM. His mother was afflicted with cancer; his father afflicted with illness, with only one grandparent who is also disabled. I am close to the family, and, yeah, this kid, who had a great freshmen year (at state U), does not feel sorry for himself - he was also a HS drop out - albeit, super high SAT's!. His perseverance is something I have always admired - he was sooo cynical for many years; so dejected, but, because my boys will not tolerate that, he got beaten-down by our optimism, and my boys' believe that he just needs to prove it...or don't come over for Christmas Eve...he and his brother NEVER miss our Christmas Eve dinner party.

    Oh shit, I really want to use an emoji! I want a new emoji...a rising sun emoji? - I think Japan can come up with something to express joy! We dropped bombs on Japan but; they-still-don't-hate-us-emoji? There are just not cool, party-girl emoji's...Dumb-ass emoji's, if I want that? OK, squad, be easy on me.

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  5. SPMoore8 says:

    Adjustments for daycare, housing prices in good school districts, etc. surely end up eating up a lot of two earner income. But another thing that eats it up are private schools. My sister, for example, who made a good six figure income, paid tens of thousands every year to send her three children to private schools, because she — who is a big lefty prog type — didn’t want her children to go to the public schools in the East Bay. No, she never has really processed the dissonance there.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    SPMoore, My son lives in a very nice house in a first ring suburb of Cleveland.....schools are starting to head down hill. He already has one daughter in a private, all girls Catholic academy and one ready to start next year.....at $10k each per year. A nearby town, Rocky River, has A-rated schools and great housing stock, and a decent tax rate. He is mulling a move because he wants the best for his children. He is the polar opposite of liberal.
    , @Dee
    My brother and his wife did the same. They bought a nice home in Birmingham, Michigan; probably in the top 10 for income in the whole state. They made above average wages, both worked, but they weren't rich. So they sent the kids to the public schools thru 9th grade, these are highly rated schools, and then to Catholic high school. That was something like $20K for the two kids a year.

    They did this because they couldn't afford the clothes, vacations, new German cars, that the wealthy could buy. They were afraid their kids would be looked down on; white trash so to speak.
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  6. Won’t work. Majority of U.S. public school students already in poverty (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/majority-of-us-public-school-students-are-in-poverty/2015/01/15/df7171d0-9ce9-11e4-a7ee-526210d665b4_story.html). There’s too many to just spread around so they don’t drag things down.

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    • Replies: @AnAnon
    signalers don't care, and the left still lives in a world where America is 90% white.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Blue, one of the worst examples of adding white kids to a school district was a federal Judges attempt to improve Kansas City schools. His efforts failed because the white parents saw that even though the KC schools were now all brand new and featured every possible amenity, they still were majority black and dysfunctional. I don't know how to link an article, but a Google search of Federal Judge takes over KC Schools will really enlighten everyone here .
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  8. Wouldn’t it be great to find a source for areas with good schools, low crime and low real estate costs?

    Thanks to the GOP primaries we may have found such a source: Counties with lots of Cruz votes over Trump.

    Lots of Cruz votes = Republican

    Over Trump = fewer bankrupt people, solider families, fewer people with emotional, drug and financial problems.

    Mostly in Idaho, Utah, Texas, Maine, Oklahoma, Alaska, Wisconsin, Wyoming, Iowa.

    But you may have to omit Alabama and Pennsylvania entirely.

    I may never have to mention ND again as a place to move to.

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    • Replies: @The Only Catholic Unionist
    As the invaluable (in all matters but Presidential primaries) Thomas Sowell once noted in another context, look for the areas that are German and not Scots-Irish.

    Once you've obviously eliminated the BIG City (Birmingham/Philadelphia), in both Pennsylvania and Alabama, look for the area in your price range that was settled by Germans, and you'll more often than not find good schools, solid community, good work habits, and low local taxes.
    , @AnotherDad

    Thanks to the GOP primaries we may have found such a source: Counties with lots of Cruz votes over Trump.
     
    Yawn. Ever heard of the difference between cause and effect?

    Yes Cruz voters are probably generally folks who live in good circumstances--who are either comfortably "above the fray" or whose localities have not yet been blessed with diversity. Trump voters are people who realize Trump's proposed policies are what's necessary to keep us all from sliding into the diversity dystopia. And that--*foresight*--is a better political quality than "i'm doing ok ... what are you complaining about".

    I'm doing "ok". I got my kids through the LWSD (Redmond, Kirkland) with it's "good schools", where indeed they had (mostly) ok to a few excellent teachers and a great circle of friends and classmates. And in a month my last two graduate together from UW.

    But I want the nation they inherit to not be a complete pile of shit. (It's already way too late for it to be anything like the nation I was born into.) So I vote Trump. It's called caring about the future. Not pulling up the ladder behind you.
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  9. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:

    Woof Woof

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/10/ann-coulter-s-anti-semitism-runs-deeper-than-you-know.html

    “one of the site’s regular bloggers, Steve Sailer, has suggested that Jews “use their influence over the media” to “demoralize and divide” other groups.”

    SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITE!!!!!!

    LOL

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    The SPLC's already after him, that's why he's stated he's converting all his Bitcoin donations legally into US dollars...to avoid getting hit on trumped-up 'tax evasion' charges.

    Sucks, really.
    , @UnlearnedElder
    This article is really a hoot

    Israel was founded as an ethno-state (though it is worth noting that a quarter of its citizens are not Jewish); the United States of America was not.
     
    How many nonwhite citizens did the US have when it was founded? Howard zinn went through great pains to make sure I understood this.
    , @AndrewR
    Do people deny that Jews do that?
    , @Alec Leamas
    “An anti-Semite used to mean a man who hated Jews. Now it means a man who is hated by Jews.”

    ― Joseph Sobran
    , @Anonymous
    Steve should own it and change his name to Steve Hitler. I bet site traffic would increase.
    , @Anonymous
    Jews specialize in Political Correctness, defined as systematic lying with threats against the person, livelihood, or future of anyone who challenges the lies. This includes using paid trolls to spread anti-Semitic invective against anyone who states otherwise.

    Jews use their $$-driven influence over the media, finance, entertainment, education, and government to try to seize the narrative to support or otherwise camouflage the actions and interests that are good for Jews and Judaism but quite often detrimental to others and the common good of society.

    These are facts. The evidence? As the saying goes, often all one has to do is "look and see".
    , @Anonymous Nephew
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/2010/02/16/the-left-s-top-25-journalists.html#viewAll

    Roissy tweets that "Conservatively, I count (((16/25)))"

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  10. Pinellas County Schools abandoned integration efforts in 2007 and let the poor schools fend for themselves. Five elementary schools now have more incidences of violence than all 17 of the high schools combined.

    Although the Tampa Bay Times did an investigative series on current problems, the paper published several editorials in the 2007 in favor of ending planned integration.

    http://www.tampabay.com/projects/2015/investigations/pinellas-failure-factories/

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    • Replies: @artichoke
    These children's parents live in an area of bad schools. It's clear that schools should meet minimum standards, and maybe these schools don't. But it's not discrimination just because the black school is worse than the white one. What if the white one were worse? (Of course that never happens -- which really shows the problem is not discrimination but the students and families in the district.) The Milliken case basically says that things have to be equalized within districts, but not across districts. That is the law of the land and it supersedes Brown v. Board of Education (but the typical indoctrination leaves that out.)
    , @Anon
    I have always felt you could do a lot in black schools if all you do is demand an hour of recess with very vigorous playing in mid-morning, followed by another hour of recess in mid-afternoon, also with lots of vigorous exercise. It'll tire the hyper little bastards out and make them more docile in class. Until whites recognize that blacks are different and need to expend energy, they'll never understand how to discipline blacks. The reduced time spent on classroom work won't hurt blacks because they have a reduced capacity for learning and a lower IQ anyway. The amount you can cram into their heads won't be any less than if they studied all day long.
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  11. @Jefferson
    "Like I’ve said once or twice, the worst problem with being poor in today’s America is not that you can’t afford to buy enough food, it’s that you can’t afford to get away from other poor people."

    Most of the Black middle class can not get away from other poor Black people, because they are in most cases part of the same family.

    Even the most powerful Black man in the world Barack Hussein Obama has Black family members who live in poverty.

    Even the most powerful Black man in the world Barack Hussein Obama has Black family members who live in poverty.

    And Obama likes them to live in poverty. It helps the narrative.

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    NOT the "narrative" that:
    If I did it, so can all you.
    They hate that narrative.
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  12. You are all such cynics here, peer-reviewed studies show that nice white-lady teachers like this will turn the tide.

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    You are all such cynics here, peer-reviewed studies show that nice white-lady teachers like this will turn the tide.
     
    Funny article. The author's assertion that "many of our students are what most Americans would define as starving" is pretty jaw-dropping given obesity rates among 2- to 4-year-olds from low-income families in Minnesota (see http://stateofobesity.org/states/mn/) I guess starving ain't what it used to be.

    Also, I love when grade school teachers refer to themselves as "educators". Really makes it sound grand, don't you think?
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  13. @SFG
    You've got a problem I don't see how to fix. Whatever neighborhood takes the poor blacks (and whites, for that matter) is going to suffer. I suppose it might be possible to spread them around to the point where they don't exist anywhere in enough numbers to really drag things down, but that would require a level of government coordination that just can't be done in a republic.

    And they'd be at the bottom of every class.

    Besides, we can't all have 'good schools', like we can't all go to Harvard.

    We could easily all “go to Harvard”: view lectures and submit work online.

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    rumor is, has been...is now, that the students are not cool...at ALL the elite U's, btw. The rumor is, the students are miserable navel-gazers. The whole atmosphere is depressing, and that is why the current students dig up stuff to protest about (or do a shit-ton of Molly & stuff) - get some pulse goin' - because they're miffed. College is not like the movies they heard about, about all the wild and crazy, Animal-Housy things that go on in college - all the "best years of their life," especially, especially, especially if they were complete and utter nerds/grade-grinds in HS. I will boldly speculate: the students at today's elite institutions are even more socially inept, culturally stupid than my class of the 80's.
    , @MC
    But that's not what "going to Harvard" is for.
    , @biz
    Then we would be going to something called "Harvard" which does not provide anywhere near the education, much less the research opportunities, that the Harvard that we know does.
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  14. SFG says:
    @Whiskey
    And to reemphasize what SFG noted, there is considerable dynastic/hereditary competition among different groups of White people to pull the ladder up, or scale the walls, depending on if someone comes from West Virginia or Georgetown.

    This is just more of the eternal inter-White war, for status, power, and hereditary entitlement, that never went away from White people; if anything got even worse.

    Anytime a non-elite White kid does well in school, that kid is a threat to an average kid like say, Ben Rhodes at age 10. Who just happens to come from a wealthy hereditary family. So there is a built in incentive to kick the ladders of upward mobility out to prevent the sweet deal from being shared. As Steve noted, casino Indians kick out members of the tribe; they don't add them when they get a casino.

    Sure, but remember, it’s not just whites that have inter-white wars. People in every country struggle for power. Race just adds an extra fault line because people feel more kinship (literally) to people who look more like them. So more diversity means more Hobbesianism and less social democracy. Vermont and Sweden look the same for the same reason.

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    Perhaps but Whiskey is writing about whites scuttling other high performing whites in order to perpetuate the former's hereditary positions in the new class. Think about how the combination of legacy admissions and affirmative action as well as networking among the new class works to squeeze out talented middle class kids at elite institutions.

    And then there are the "pipeline" institutions - e.g., The Lawrenceville School in New Jersey is the "pipeline" to Princeton with close existing relationships between its faculty and administrators and the University. It costs nearly fifty thousand dollars per year for day students, and nearly sixty thousand dollars a year for boarding students. Shameless networking and expensive resume padding wholly outside of the ken and means of the middle class.

    Our elite institutions are meritocratic in the way that the late Roman Empire was nevertheless still referred to as a Republic.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Vermont and Sweden look the same for the same reason.
     
    Vermont's incidence of rape has increased 1,472% since 1975?
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  15. SFG says:
    @Priss Factor
    Woof Woof

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/10/ann-coulter-s-anti-semitism-runs-deeper-than-you-know.html

    "one of the site’s regular bloggers, Steve Sailer, has suggested that Jews “use their influence over the media” to “demoralize and divide” other groups."

    SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITE!!!!!!

    LOL

    The SPLC’s already after him, that’s why he’s stated he’s converting all his Bitcoin donations legally into US dollars…to avoid getting hit on trumped-up ‘tax evasion’ charges.

    Sucks, really.

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    • Replies: @BB753
    Why not give the SPLC a taste of their own medicine?
    Right wingers persecuted or threatened by the SPLC should unite and set up a fund to fight back against them. Surely a money machine like the SPLC should have plenty of dirty secrets to answer for under close scrutiny.
    Hire top consultants, investigators, auditors and lawyers and make them shake and quiver in fear.
    There are probably quite a few Isteve readers who could help.
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  16. @Priss Factor
    Woof Woof

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/10/ann-coulter-s-anti-semitism-runs-deeper-than-you-know.html

    "one of the site’s regular bloggers, Steve Sailer, has suggested that Jews “use their influence over the media” to “demoralize and divide” other groups."

    SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITE!!!!!!

    LOL

    This article is really a hoot

    Israel was founded as an ethno-state (though it is worth noting that a quarter of its citizens are not Jewish); the United States of America was not.

    How many nonwhite citizens did the US have when it was founded? Howard zinn went through great pains to make sure I understood this.

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    "This article is really a hoot."

    But it left out the infamous 'let the good times roll'.
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  17. I’m glad to see that sociology has caught up with what my instincts have always told me, viz. that a middle-class upbringing in a decent neighborhood results in a quantum leap forward when it comes to the child’s opportunities for socioeconomic advancement. To grow up without those opportunities can sometimes be a virtual death sentence for one’s hopes and dreams.

    I spent many years and a great deal of effort trying to get myself the hell out of poverty. I grew up in a dusty trailer park that hailed from the T.J. Hooker era—a sort of grease trap for burned out hippies, coke heads, and bikers even back when the neighborhood was mostly white. My parents were two severely dysfunctional and abusive alcoholics and my dad, additionally, was a bona fide sociopath. All the kids from the neighborhood (my friends growing up) were ballers, major or minor criminals, or just Beavis-and-Butthead-type dropouts. Not a few of them today are either in jail, in the state mental hospital, or dead.

    I was exposed to another world in school because I was always “gifted.” Books had always been my only refuge from my miserable family life, so I read a lot growing up. I was sort of like a real-life Good Will Hunting. But when I got to high school, when hormones and status hierarchies begin to play a big role in the adolescent’s burgeoning identity, I noticed how different I was from the other preppy kids I was in the AP classes with. The social gulf between us was immense and, from my perspective, unbridgeable. Consequently it was something I thought a great deal about, even from a young age. I realized early on that the experiences they’d had, compared to the ones I’d had, had conditioned them for a very different sort of life than the life I knew. Even though I had the raw intelligence necessary to compete at the highest levels, I certainly did not have any of the other prerequisites, e.g. the social skills, the networks, the knowledge base, or the money. There was no one around me to whom I could reach out to for help with these things. My own life was an abyss of ignorance, drugs, and absent parenting that I had to grope my way out of on my own.

    I won’t go into the intervening biographical details, but today I live in a decent house in the suburbs, and I have a secure but not particularly lucrative fed.gov job. I like to surround myself with as much refinement as I can afford: nice clothes, luxury-brand automobiles, musical instruments that I collect and have taught myself (sort of) to play. It’s a bit too late for me to fully absorb these things into my personality, but I’m doing it for the next generation. If I have kids someday, I want them to grow up in the “normal world.” I don’t want them to know what I know.

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    Your writing is good. I will pass your comment thru to my mother to examine if you want (an English/German language HS teacher -retired) but, I believe that it is self-evident. You are like many youngish people who have gotten the education cred, and, now; it's just the livin' that scares you ... Don't ever lose your honesty, that's the most important thing you have. And, your past is the past. Trust me - I come from a very, previously, rigid class/society country. In the US, nobody really gives a rat's about your past...good or bad/high/low/foreign/prison/emoji-of-your-choice.
    , @Mike Sylwester
    Very interesting. I hope you will write more about your life.
    , @WGG
    Sorry about your upbringing. Mine was about halfway between yours and "normal" suburban life. We had enough money but my mother exposed us to a lot of drugs and degenerates, whilst my father was/is a straight up narcissist.

    Don't wait to have kids if you can. Make it a goal. You will be a good parent just basically taking the opposite route of your parents. The tough part will be cutting them out of your life completely for the good of the children.
    , @Olorin
    Reading your thoughts underscores the importance of finding truly gifted kids wherever they appear, and connecting them with "social skills, networks, knowledge base, money."

    What you describe as your experience is PRECISELY what the now national religion of dolt wrangling has robbed our society of: the ability to spend liberally to identify and nurture bright kids.

    Instead we have exactly the opposite: a government-run, tax-supported agenda of spending more time and energy and money on children of no potential whatever and actively destroying the potential of bright white children.

    On top of that is absolute widespread denial that this is what's happening. So we wonder how best to confront this idiotic utopian blank slatism that says that if we spend all the money in the world to raise an idiot's IQ 5 points, it will have been worth it. Black thugs' lives matter, but if a smart white kid is lost, or ten, or a thousand, or ten thousand, that doesn't. As though we're running short on dindus, gangstas, and Gentle Giants.

    Which reveals the worm in the heart of the nut: who is competing with whom genetically, socially, politically, economically. Who calls the shots. Who issues the diversity diversions. Who is overrepresented and who is underrepresented in the corridors of power. What the competitive strategies are.

    "Doing it for the next generation" is all we can do, on any front. That is a gift of the forward-thinking (Promethean) mind.

    We can also share the past, as Epimetheus.

    https://muse.jhu.edu/article/486127

    However it's not a good time to reflect on lives such as yours (and mine) in liberal proggy SJW circles. Social chimeras are not welcome. Sexual and racial ones, sure.

    That's one of the missing elements even in racial realist circles. Some of us have experienced all this up close from different angles. Not flesh nor fish nor bone. That time may come. I'd like to see someone solicit more intimate accounts of what it means to grow up in (((Race War))) America, from the 1960s to today.

    We're all guessing at normal. Thing is, you are not normal. The hunger to be that will always be there. But to be an outlier is an irrevocable destiny, and don't worry--your kids will live out their destinies, not yours. Your job will be to help them discover that. And if you want to save your children from the rigors and evils of life as you have experienced it, I recommend skipping ahead to verse 72 here:

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/sbe49/sbe4903.htm

    Also Francis Thompson, "The Hound of Heaven."

    , @Another Canadian
    You've led an impressive life so far, Mr. Intelligent Dasein. When a door opens, don't be afraid to step right on in.
    , @Bill
    I've lived in and near quite a few high quality school districts in suburbia. Most of them had trailer parks and/or neighborhoods with old, small, run down housing. So, these stories about how unpossible it is for working class people to live in good school districts seem, at least, incomplete to me. Maybe the stories are really only about a few metros?

    I went to school in suburbia, and some of my classmates' parents worked in factories. Many of my classmates' parents were tradesmen. The school district I was in was eventually destroyed by a federal desegregation order, but even before that I rubbed shoulders with lots of kids whose parents earned less than the median income.

    My kids go to school with trailer people, and they get along reasonably well with a minority of them. The rest they mostly don't see. And I carefully chose to live in a very white, high average income, high-achieving exurban school district.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Inteeligent, I went to an all boys Catholic HS that was brand new. I did well and went to a small Jesuit college were I met the graduates of the local Jesuit Prep HS. They were from a different planet. They knew how to net work, how to inter act with the faculty and more importantly, how to study. They also came from a higher social stratus than my working class HS. They were already ahead of me and my fellow HS graduates.
    , @James O'Meara
    "Even though I had the raw intelligence necessary to compete at the highest levels, I certainly did not have any of the other prerequisites, e.g. the social skills, the networks, the knowledge base, or the money. "

    That's how all the goyim feel.

    PS: very similar background, ID, except substitute "stupid enough to seem weird to the whole neighborhood" for "alcoholic." Won't try to compete on which is more scaring to the kids.
    , @carol
    Loved your story. Mine not nearly as bad, but let's just say it's a shame that divorce often leaves girls to be raised by the Stupid Parent.

    I remember well that social gulf and still feel it. How amazing it seemed, that families went on vacations together, went to national parks or Acapulco or someplace, and went to Dodgers games and did things like that.

    My life was TV, comfort food and school. Blessed school..I always looked forward to September. Thank God for tracking, for I was well separated from the NAMs and other boneheads, hardly realizing they were there until checking my yearbook decades later.

    , @dr kill
    You have learned the wrong lesson, a sad and common mistake. The desire of parents to shield children from the real world has a terrible consequence - we are now into the third generation of well-meaning Americans who have not paid for the ridiculous notions and behaviors they hold. Only in the West is it possible to hold dangerous and deluded beliefs and actually be rewarded in stead of punished. Let your kids know everything, you will be rewarded with proper-thinking adults.
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  18. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Who is going to determine the quotas and what will they be based on? From observation I’d say a stable 5% black might be manageable in a school but 7% seems to be at the point where things start to shift slowly as they become a greater presence and some of the whites no longer like the atmosphere. The quantitive change just starts the ball rolling, slowly at first then the pace quickens. One has to have planners that don’t think they’re putting together a Benetton ad.

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  19. AndrewR says:
    @Priss Factor
    Woof Woof

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/10/ann-coulter-s-anti-semitism-runs-deeper-than-you-know.html

    "one of the site’s regular bloggers, Steve Sailer, has suggested that Jews “use their influence over the media” to “demoralize and divide” other groups."

    SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITE!!!!!!

    LOL

    Do people deny that Jews do that?

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    “one of the site’s regular bloggers, Steve Sailer, has suggested that Jews “use their influence over the media” to “demoralize and divide” other groups.”
     
    Do people deny that Jews do that?
     
    Not only do they do it, but they sometimes even publicly explain the strategy on blogs:

    If you're afraid of every group, though, shouldn't you support whatever group has the minimum chance of doing terrible things once it's firmly in charge? Not at all. There's another path: Try to prevent any group from being firmly in charge. In the long-run, the best way to do this is to make every group a small minority
     
    From our friend Byan Caplan - http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2015/10/they_scare_me.html
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  20. Arclight says:

    This WaPo piece completely ignores the yawning chasm in the values and behavior of (largely white) upper class Americans and (heavily minority) NAMs. Your typical upper middle class household has two parents, at least one with a decent job, and they provide an emotionally stable environment and template for successful male/female relationships. Far too many lower class NAMs are from single parent households with constant ups and downs and a parade of short-lived relationships with the opposite sex that produce half-siblings that may or may not remain in the picture. It doesn’t matter how great the school or teachers are, one child is being shown behavior that gives them a strong chance to retain their economic standing as adults and form stable relationships and families, and the other is learning all the different ways to self-sabotage whatever innate gifts they have.

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  21. @SFG
    Sure, but remember, it's not just whites that have inter-white wars. People in every country struggle for power. Race just adds an extra fault line because people feel more kinship (literally) to people who look more like them. So more diversity means more Hobbesianism and less social democracy. Vermont and Sweden look the same for the same reason.

    Perhaps but Whiskey is writing about whites scuttling other high performing whites in order to perpetuate the former’s hereditary positions in the new class. Think about how the combination of legacy admissions and affirmative action as well as networking among the new class works to squeeze out talented middle class kids at elite institutions.

    And then there are the “pipeline” institutions – e.g., The Lawrenceville School in New Jersey is the “pipeline” to Princeton with close existing relationships between its faculty and administrators and the University. It costs nearly fifty thousand dollars per year for day students, and nearly sixty thousand dollars a year for boarding students. Shameless networking and expensive resume padding wholly outside of the ken and means of the middle class.

    Our elite institutions are meritocratic in the way that the late Roman Empire was nevertheless still referred to as a Republic.

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    "Our elite institutions are meritocratic in the way that the late Roman Empire was nevertheless still referred to as a Republic."

    The notion of meritocracy in America probably needs to be reconsidered.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Alec, I'm sorry, but the pipeline schools are a pipeline to prison, at least according to our black brethren.
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  22. So liberal Oak Park had to save itself with a pro-white quota

    The long-term trend shown by the map in your recent post on this subject is less than encouraging. Super-geeky retro flashback: “I am rapidly being surrounded.”

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  23. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I would support regional mega schools. I would also abolish private schools as it violates civil rights. This would leave white people with no place to run and hide. This would ensure more investment for the underprivileged and a better educated populace.

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    You haven't seen the education in private schools.

    It's the same garbage as in public schools already. No phonics instruction, just whole language. No grammar instruction, just journaling with your own spelling errors and grammatical errors left uncorrected, practiced until permanent. The math is constructivist garbage. The science is SjW leftist ecoterrorist nonsense. The history and literature are just SJW/white guilt 100% of the time.

    Abolishing those schools won't improve the public ones. The public ones have already wrecked the private ones.
    , @Alfa158
    I notice that you now seem to be using a different handle for every single posting you do. Is it really worth the effort? Every one else here knows you're the same poster, and it doesn't make what you write any more sensible.
    , @Langley
    "I would support regional mega schools. I would also abolish private schools as it violates civil rights."

    Since murder laws also have a disproportionate impact on Black people do they violate civil rights? Do you advocate abolishing them too?

    "This would leave white people with no place to run and hide. This would ensure more investment for the underprivileged and a better educated populace."

    In Hawaii everyone who can sends their children to private schools. There are not enough Ha'Ole or Asian kids to make the government schools safe The State of Hawaii Department of Education (DOE) public school teachers, who are mostly Japanese, send their children to private schools.

    More than ten years ago my wife had her public school classmates and some of their parents over for dinner. One of the parents was a Korean DOE teacher who had taught my wife's friends at Kailua high school. Her husband was the dean of the University of Hawaii School of Education.

    He too favored outlawing private schools because they drained off all of the good students from the DOE. He said “The Japanese and Chinese send their children to private schools here because they want to be White.” Having grown up on the mainland and residing in Lanikai he had never been attacked by Hawaiians or Samoans.

    One of the Kailua students was trying to tell this couple about being regularly attacked in high school, about being hung over the second story by Hawaiian students and then having to sit in the vice principal 's office and have the perps accuse him of stealing their land.

    The couple was defending the action of the “youths” when their Korean/European son spoke up and said that the same sort of thing had happened to him.
    His mother's startled reply was “But you are not a Ha'Ole!?!”

    Who? Whom?
    , @27 year old
    If running and hiding are out of the question, whites will homeschool or we will fight. Either or both of those would be fine with me.
    , @Federalist
    You don't children, do you?
    , @Big Bill
    What additional "investment" are you looking for? The District of Columbia "invests" some $28,000 per year per child. It spends way, way more money per student than some dinky white town would ever be able to spend. If we "invested" equally in white kids and ghetto kids the ghetto schools would collapse.

    There are exceptions. Detroit schools are collapsing and the teachers are out on strike because the negro residents of Detroit refuse to "invest" more in their own children.
    , @artichoke
    No, private schools do not violate civil rights. Otherwise they would not be operating today. You may have a different opinion, but you were probably only taught the "Brown v. Board of Ed." decision which has been legally mostly obsolete for over 40 years.
    , @dc.sunsets
    Screw you, Howie.

    Adding blacks drives DOWN white student achievement.

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/diversity.htm

    If you want to sacrifice your kiddies to the godless cult of equality, be my guest.

    If you want to sacrifice my grandkids on that altar I have a cement overcoat in need of an occupant.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    Howie, you dick-head, many of the private schools you would seek to abolish were founded by Catholic Orders, as in Jesuits, to provide an education to recent immigrants. Canisius Prep in Buffalo was founded to provide a HS education to German immigrants, of course that was over a 100 years ago and they are still going strong. Oh, and minority students attend there and other Catholic HSs.. In Buffalo we now have a grant program called "Say Yes" which provides free tuition to Buffalo Public School graduates to attend state colleges, the fund now totals more than $ 25 million . Graduate from HS, and get a free college education.....what more do you fucking want? Dip shit.
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  24. BB753 says:
    @SFG
    The SPLC's already after him, that's why he's stated he's converting all his Bitcoin donations legally into US dollars...to avoid getting hit on trumped-up 'tax evasion' charges.

    Sucks, really.

    Why not give the SPLC a taste of their own medicine?
    Right wingers persecuted or threatened by the SPLC should unite and set up a fund to fight back against them. Surely a money machine like the SPLC should have plenty of dirty secrets to answer for under close scrutiny.
    Hire top consultants, investigators, auditors and lawyers and make them shake and quiver in fear.
    There are probably quite a few Isteve readers who could help.

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    Surely a money machine like the SPLC should have plenty of dirty secrets to answer for under close scrutiny.
     
    You bet they do, especially in regard to Tim McVeigh.
    , @Almost Missouri
    Yes, SPLC is essentially a fraud organization run by sociopaths. This needs to be pointed out loudly and consistently.

    The SPLC sits on assets worth above a quarter of a billion (yes, with a "b") dollars, without actually doing much of anything to justify its existence. It pays its executives way above standard nonprofit wages (over $300k/yr, and that's just the cash). As John Derbyshire remarked, "the Southern Poverty Law Center is a dubious racket dedicated mainly to eradicating poverty among its executives—none of whom, by the way, in all the 42 years the SPLC has been in existence, has ever been black." So, diversity for thee, white male millionaires' monopoly for me.

    The SPLC is so exploitative and self-serving that the auditor CharityWatch gave it an "F" rating, its lowest. It also flunked an audit of the Better Business Bureau's Wise Giving Alliance.

    Speaking of its executives, Morris Dees's divorce served up some ... er, interesting(?) personal details. It was covered by Kathy Shaidle among others some time ago. Some of the papers are online.

    And then you can always keep up like this:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=splc+expose

    The SPLC's name should never appear in print without modifiers such as "charity-scam", "hypocritical", "fraudulent", "exploitative", "racket", "scam artist", "hate group", "con game", "witch hunters", "self-serving", "discredited", "organized hate crime", "racist" and "lying".

    Morris Dees should always be mentioned with the SPLC with the modifiers "wife beater", "incestuous child molester", "serial adulterer", "millionaire", "well connected to the Democratic establishment" and "con man". Dees is also a bisexual, mistress-impregnator, and inconvenient-fetus-aborter, but it's hard to say if those are positives or negatives nowadays.
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  25. @Priss Factor
    Woof Woof

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/10/ann-coulter-s-anti-semitism-runs-deeper-than-you-know.html

    "one of the site’s regular bloggers, Steve Sailer, has suggested that Jews “use their influence over the media” to “demoralize and divide” other groups."

    SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITE!!!!!!

    LOL

    “An anti-Semite used to mean a man who hated Jews. Now it means a man who is hated by Jews.”

    ― Joseph Sobran

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    “Like I’ve said once or twice, the worst problem with being poor in today’s America is not that you can’t afford to buy enough food, it’s that you can’t afford to get away from other poor people.” I like that line v. much. It just means that America sucks. Not only because of the skewed income distribution but also because America's poor are probably the worst poor to be around. I saw it coming in early 1980s. Then I thought of Brazil. Yes, Brazilification.
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  26. Lagertha says:
    @Whiskey
    And to reemphasize what SFG noted, there is considerable dynastic/hereditary competition among different groups of White people to pull the ladder up, or scale the walls, depending on if someone comes from West Virginia or Georgetown.

    This is just more of the eternal inter-White war, for status, power, and hereditary entitlement, that never went away from White people; if anything got even worse.

    Anytime a non-elite White kid does well in school, that kid is a threat to an average kid like say, Ben Rhodes at age 10. Who just happens to come from a wealthy hereditary family. So there is a built in incentive to kick the ladders of upward mobility out to prevent the sweet deal from being shared. As Steve noted, casino Indians kick out members of the tribe; they don't add them when they get a casino.

    Someday, I hope, the greatest thing I ever did was to place (your words, Whiskey,: a non-elite, white kid) a low-income kid, genius-level white boy, from horrendous circumstances, into college. He’s thriving at a state university, far away from the sadness of his past/home.

    This kid is a bona fide genius in STEM. His mother was afflicted with cancer; his father afflicted with illness, with only one grandparent who is also disabled. I am close to the family, and, yeah, this kid, who had a great freshmen year (at state U), does not feel sorry for himself – he was also a HS drop out – albeit, super high SAT’s!. His perseverance is something I have always admired – he was sooo cynical for many years; so dejected, but, because my boys will not tolerate that, he got beaten-down by our optimism, and my boys’ believe that he just needs to prove it…or don’t come over for Christmas Eve…he and his brother NEVER miss our Christmas Eve dinner party.

    Oh shit, I really want to use an emoji! I want a new emoji…a rising sun emoji? – I think Japan can come up with something to express joy! We dropped bombs on Japan but; they-still-don’t-hate-us-emoji? There are just not cool, party-girl emoji’s…Dumb-ass emoji’s, if I want that? OK, squad, be easy on me.

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  27. “Like I’ve said once or twice, the worst problem with being poor in today’s America is not that you can’t afford to buy enough food, it’s that you can’t afford to get away from other poor people.”

    To improve on that formulation, it’s that you can’t afford to get away from poor black people.

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  28. MJMD says:

    I really have no idea what a public K-through-12 education looks like at a really good public school district in the United States, but what with federal interference, tenured teachers, and PTA entitlement, could it possibly be better than you would get at bona fide elite private institution? Why don’t more high-achieving, upper-percentile white parents with a reasonable chance of having brainy children save on the sticker price and property taxes for their house, buying into one of those trendy “diverse” neighbourhoods that millennials supposedly like anyway, and just fork out the difference paying for private education? America’s embarrassment of riches when it comes to higher education (and it really is, in spite of SJW shenanigans) is largely thanks to a breadth and depth of private options unmatched anywhere else on Earth, although the US model is quietly emulated in East Asia and Latin America. Everywhere else, a monolithic state sector is completely dominant (I can’t wait to see how well that works out when it comes to absorbing the migrants flooding into France and Germany). So why don’t Americans demand more institutional diversity when it comes to primary and secondary education? Wealthy private schools can also afford to take on and subsidize a few more poor black students (just as heavily-endowed private colleges can easily afford to completely subsidize a few affirmative action students), but with relatively little danger of the process getting out of control. We don’t need quotas for white people, we need a cultural shift where white people become more comfortable abandoning public education and more invested in paying directly for private schooling for their children. The end result, ideally, would be less neighbourhood segregation, the rapid growth of a non-profit market capable of better subsidizing outliers from disadvantaged communities, and fewer real barriers to imposing strict discipline on the remedial public remainder.

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    I really have no idea what a public K-through-12 education looks like at a really good public school district in the United States, but what with federal interference, tenured teachers, and PTA entitlement, could it possibly be better than you would get at bona fide elite private institution?
     
    Well, I know that the public schools in the wealthy Boston suburbs (Brookline, Newton, Wellesley, Weston, etc.) are probably equal to or better than most private schools. When your kids are in a local public school you are more organically connected with your community, a value conservatives should appreciate. In the Boston suburbs you also recoup the school expense in the increasing value of your home equity, at least theoretically.

    The advantage of private schools is mostly for ambitious parents - better networking opportunities with like-minded ambitious people. Unless we are talking about a top elite school like Phillips Exeter which is probably one of the best schools in the world, and worth the money.
    , @biz
    Interesting thought, but it is my impression that the public schools in the best upper end suburban areas are usually better than standard private schools, on metrics such as laboratory facilities, percent of students going to elite colleges, etc. In order to match the potential education available in those public schools where families are trying to live, they would have to send their kids to the most elite private schools such as Exeter, Choate, etc, and then it really is less expensive just to buy the house.
    , @AP
    Well, our excellent public school district in a wealthy northeastern suburb offers four years of Latin and three years of Classical Greek, employs several Ph.D.'s (and not in "education"), a guy who had graduated from Harvard and who worked in a high position on one of the presidential campaign teaching social studies, foreign exchange programs to China (the school also offers Mandarin), Europe and Africa, and sends dozens of kids into the Ivies every year. I can't imagine a typical private school being better. For a parent, it's certainly worth the property tax which is probably recouped in property value.
    , @AP
    Trying again due to moderation (and changed dozens into about a dozen):

    Well, our excellent public school district in a wealthy northeastern suburb offers four years of Latin and three years of Classical Greek, employs several Ph.D.’s (and not in “education”), a guy who had graduated from Harvard and who worked in a high position on one of the presidential campaign teaching social studies, foreign exchange programs to China (the school also offers Mandarin), Europe and Africa, and sends about a dozen kids into the Ivies every year. I can’t imagine a typical private school being better. For a parent, it’s certainly worth the property tax which is probably recouped in property value.
    , @Triumph104
    The problem with living in a "vibrant" neighborhood is that you may end of up neighbors who like to walk their pit bulls, have convicted felons living with them, loud parties, etc. Buying in an elite neighborhood means that like-minded families will attend the public school. The public school is guaranteed to accept all of your children, not just the brilliant ones.

    Tenured teachers and the PTA aren't major problems, but I can see people abandoning public schools in some areas like New York City if the planned government interventions go through.

    although the US model is quietly emulated in East Asia and Latin America. Everywhere else, a monolithic state sector is completely dominant (I can’t wait to see how well that works out when it comes to absorbing the migrants flooding into France and Germany).
     
    Germany sorts kids by ability at the age of 10. It was only after joining the European Union and taking part in the PISA exam did Germans learn that wealthier children were in the university track and poorer kids were in the vocational track.

    In countries like Finland and the Netherlands whites work the system and go to middle and upper-class public schools while foreigners and the poor go to their own public schools.

    France's constitution outlaws the census from asking a citizen's race, so the country honestly doesn't know what its racial makeup is. I don't know anything about its K-12 system, but France guarantees university admission to anyone who passes the baccalauréat; ninety percent who sit for the exam pass. Needless to say a university degree doesn't mean much in France. Terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui found this out when he graduated from a French university. Embittered, he went to London to study for a master's degree and there he came into contact with Islamic extremists.

    The true elites of France don't go to university they go to grandes ecoles and become political and business leaders.

    The proposed public school interventions are to prevent the US from becoming like Latin America where the elite are ethnic minorities.
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  29. Alice says:

    Recent articles in Minneapolis and at. Paul papers have been aimed at attacking charter schools. The attack is that charter schools siphon off too many whites, so now that St. Paul city schools are “majority minority”. The newspaper phrased this as “segregated”. It was segregated because the population of white students was down to 22%. See? Steve is right! No longer enough white students to be integrated!
    “The Star Tribune defined segregated as any school that had 80 percent or more minority students (predominantly minority) or less than 20 percent minorities (predominantly white).”

    Now, charters are also often segragted by choice. We can’t have religious charters, but we can have cultural charters here. So the Hmong have a few, and the Chinese a few, and the Koreans have one, and then there are the hippy dippy Montessori ones for whites, etc.

    Here are a few articles.

    http://m.startribune.com/desegregation-lawsuit-pulls-in-state-s-charter-schools/358457791/

    http://m.startribune.com/data-segregation-in-twin-cities-charter-schools/347625331/

    This last one is an Op ed arguing that forced busing to reintegrate charters is not the answer. Of course, its language is leftist anyway.

    http://m.startribune.com/in-minnesota-we-must-think-broadly-about-school-integration/363960211/

    The goal of the lawsuit and attention is twofold: one, destroy the charters per se, and two, destroy the charters to force white kids back into schools to raise their test scores. Charters propagate disparity. Some pull urban kids out of the sewer. Some try to teach actual content knowledge to children. Can’t have either.

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    Not sure if charters themselves are the reason their students do well. More likely parents (and that's plural) who care about their children's education are going to seek out the best possible school they can get. And that means one with few NAMs.

    In NYC, DiBlasio is now trying to get more black and Latino kids into the competitive test high schools. Not sure how this will play out because it pits SWPL, Jewish and Asian parents against NAMs. There's a lot of work getting your child into those schools along with a competitive entrance exam and grades. If you throw all that out to cater to NAMs it would not be the great program it has always been.
    , @guest
    Ah, the Twin Cities, where they stopped enforcing laws against spitting in public because of their "disparate impact" on black people. I live a half hour or so away and fully expect in the near future to be herded onto the monorail, shipped downtown, and forced to live in a highrise apartment so they can get at my taxes.
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  30. “Nationally, of course, the massive problem is that we’re running out of white kids to use to uplift NAM kids.”

    From the perspective of 2016, it seems almost bizarre that liberals in the 1970′s thought the solution to black kids problems were to be educated in working class white areas (school busing et al).

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    They haven't stopped thinking this. They have stopped doing it, though.
    , @Triumph104
    Actually 40 years later the research came out proving that there is no benefit in educating black kids with low-income white kids. The current push for desegregation takes into account income. Of course there are even less white middle-income kids to go around.

    New York City is pushing for public schools to be 30 percent middle income (read white) and 70 percent dysfunctional. There won't be any benefit to the kids, but theoretically the white parents would make sure the school is run efficiently and the white led PTA would raise money for the school.

    Asians have their own segregated schools in Queens, but they don't play much in the desegregation talks because Asians are the poorest ethnic group in NYC.

    http://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2014/04/30/new-york-city-asians-poorer-hispanics/

    New York City public schools are roughly 15 percent white, 15 percent Asian, 30 percent black, and 40 percent Hispanic.

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  31. Alice says:

    BTW there’s no evidence that the SWPL progressive education in white upper class public schools and private schools works for those kids, either. What works is their genetic endowment. For some kids, it is enough to survive the crap, and then the top end of the well off parents test preps and tutors these kids into college anyway. But most upper class white kids can’t add unlike denominator fractions in eighth grade. The same white kids in algebra can’t properly distribute the 3 in 3(2x-5), either. No one is taught grammar. They are all historically illiterate. None have the most basic understanding of science. But they are great SjW Bernie Sanders voters!

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    A friend's son, a top student at a highly regarded local public HS, complained that in his history class he's learned all about the holocaust and next to nothing about WWII. When my homeschooled son started talking about battles and strategies, the other kid was practically salivating. If it weren't for board games like Risk and Axis and Allies I doubt anybody would learn any facts about the world wars.
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  32. Alice says:
    @Anonymous
    I would support regional mega schools. I would also abolish private schools as it violates civil rights. This would leave white people with no place to run and hide. This would ensure more investment for the underprivileged and a better educated populace.

    You haven’t seen the education in private schools.

    It’s the same garbage as in public schools already. No phonics instruction, just whole language. No grammar instruction, just journaling with your own spelling errors and grammatical errors left uncorrected, practiced until permanent. The math is constructivist garbage. The science is SjW leftist ecoterrorist nonsense. The history and literature are just SJW/white guilt 100% of the time.

    Abolishing those schools won’t improve the public ones. The public ones have already wrecked the private ones.

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    It's what the budding communists in schools of education are told students must "know and be able to do." It's what the accreditors look for -- and private schools surely have to toe the line even more than public ones with the accreditors.

    Homeschooling thru 5th grade seems the best option now. Then pop back to the public schools once you're past the combination of mind control and babysitting from teachers who are not good at any subject, that is elementary school.
    , @Bill
    At one point, I was thinking of sending my kids to the local Catholic school instead of to the local suburban private school. I went to their website, to the part for prospective students. One of the first things I read was that all their teachers were certified to teach---that is that they had all gotten Ed School credentials of one kind or another and had passed the state test to be certified. This, evidently, they thought was a selling point.

    I couldn't believe my eyes. From my POV, the primary purpose of sending my kids there was to avoid having certified teachers---both the public and Catholic school were super-majority middle class white, so it wasn't to escape diversity that I was looking. The principal had a doctorate in education! As far as I could tell, the only real diffrences vis a vis public school were that there was a religious ed class during school (taught by a Nice White Lady) and that the students and faculty went to Mass together a couple of times a year. Absurd.

    The parents I talked to were sending their children there either because they had had some kind of problem in public school or, more commonly, for relatively inchoate reasons of tribe or family tradition.
    , @Keypusher
    My daughter goes to a private school in Manhattan and I don't recognize your description. She's become a big Jane Austen fan based on school reading. She's a much better writer than I was at her age and is several grades ahead of where I was in math.

    She's in 7th grade now and I honestly don't know if they taught phonics or not. It didn't matter.

    There is a pretty heavy social-justice/civil rights component to her English class, but that is not new. When I was in elementary school I thought the two greatest scientists in history were Einstein and George Washington Carver -- I was bused to a school bearing his name.
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  33. Alfa158 says:
    @Anonymous
    I would support regional mega schools. I would also abolish private schools as it violates civil rights. This would leave white people with no place to run and hide. This would ensure more investment for the underprivileged and a better educated populace.

    I notice that you now seem to be using a different handle for every single posting you do. Is it really worth the effort? Every one else here knows you’re the same poster, and it doesn’t make what you write any more sensible.

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  34. Alice says:

    Oh, and the shouts for desegregation of St. Paul schools comes as the St. Paul district settled a DoJ lawsuit on disparate impact in discipline and emotional/Behavioral disturbed labels on “too many kids of color” by mainstreaming everyone. We have approximately a story a week now of a teacher being physically assaulted.

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  35. Bugg says:

    Even when you integrate public schools, the school itself internally segregates. In NYC you have “eagle” and gifted programs that invariably are more white and Asian while nonperforming children get put in lower performing classes.If your child is not academically inclined, a white parents’ the fight becomes getting your jock son or artistic daughter into a better class with fewer NAMs. Further the NMA-heavy classes are chock full of dysfunction and disorder along with poor academic performance.

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  36. Lagertha says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    I'm glad to see that sociology has caught up with what my instincts have always told me, viz. that a middle-class upbringing in a decent neighborhood results in a quantum leap forward when it comes to the child's opportunities for socioeconomic advancement. To grow up without those opportunities can sometimes be a virtual death sentence for one's hopes and dreams.

    I spent many years and a great deal of effort trying to get myself the hell out of poverty. I grew up in a dusty trailer park that hailed from the T.J. Hooker era---a sort of grease trap for burned out hippies, coke heads, and bikers even back when the neighborhood was mostly white. My parents were two severely dysfunctional and abusive alcoholics and my dad, additionally, was a bona fide sociopath. All the kids from the neighborhood (my friends growing up) were ballers, major or minor criminals, or just Beavis-and-Butthead-type dropouts. Not a few of them today are either in jail, in the state mental hospital, or dead.

    I was exposed to another world in school because I was always "gifted." Books had always been my only refuge from my miserable family life, so I read a lot growing up. I was sort of like a real-life Good Will Hunting. But when I got to high school, when hormones and status hierarchies begin to play a big role in the adolescent's burgeoning identity, I noticed how different I was from the other preppy kids I was in the AP classes with. The social gulf between us was immense and, from my perspective, unbridgeable. Consequently it was something I thought a great deal about, even from a young age. I realized early on that the experiences they'd had, compared to the ones I'd had, had conditioned them for a very different sort of life than the life I knew. Even though I had the raw intelligence necessary to compete at the highest levels, I certainly did not have any of the other prerequisites, e.g. the social skills, the networks, the knowledge base, or the money. There was no one around me to whom I could reach out to for help with these things. My own life was an abyss of ignorance, drugs, and absent parenting that I had to grope my way out of on my own.

    I won't go into the intervening biographical details, but today I live in a decent house in the suburbs, and I have a secure but not particularly lucrative fed.gov job. I like to surround myself with as much refinement as I can afford: nice clothes, luxury-brand automobiles, musical instruments that I collect and have taught myself (sort of) to play. It's a bit too late for me to fully absorb these things into my personality, but I'm doing it for the next generation. If I have kids someday, I want them to grow up in the "normal world." I don't want them to know what I know.

    Your writing is good. I will pass your comment thru to my mother to examine if you want (an English/German language HS teacher -retired) but, I believe that it is self-evident. You are like many youngish people who have gotten the education cred, and, now; it’s just the livin’ that scares you … Don’t ever lose your honesty, that’s the most important thing you have. And, your past is the past. Trust me – I come from a very, previously, rigid class/society country. In the US, nobody really gives a rat’s about your past…good or bad/high/low/foreign/prison/emoji-of-your-choice.

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  37. Lagertha says:
    @27 year old
    We could easily all "go to Harvard": view lectures and submit work online.

    rumor is, has been…is now, that the students are not cool…at ALL the elite U’s, btw. The rumor is, the students are miserable navel-gazers. The whole atmosphere is depressing, and that is why the current students dig up stuff to protest about (or do a shit-ton of Molly & stuff) – get some pulse goin’ – because they’re miffed. College is not like the movies they heard about, about all the wild and crazy, Animal-Housy things that go on in college – all the “best years of their life,” especially, especially, especially if they were complete and utter nerds/grade-grinds in HS. I will boldly speculate: the students at today’s elite institutions are even more socially inept, culturally stupid than my class of the 80′s.

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    So what you're saying is the Asiatization feared by the Ivies and which is the real reason for their continuing anti-Asian affirmative action has already occurred in all but skin color.
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  38. Langley says:
    @Anonymous
    I would support regional mega schools. I would also abolish private schools as it violates civil rights. This would leave white people with no place to run and hide. This would ensure more investment for the underprivileged and a better educated populace.

    “I would support regional mega schools. I would also abolish private schools as it violates civil rights.”

    Since murder laws also have a disproportionate impact on Black people do they violate civil rights? Do you advocate abolishing them too?

    “This would leave white people with no place to run and hide. This would ensure more investment for the underprivileged and a better educated populace.”

    In Hawaii everyone who can sends their children to private schools. There are not enough Ha’Ole or Asian kids to make the government schools safe The State of Hawaii Department of Education (DOE) public school teachers, who are mostly Japanese, send their children to private schools.

    More than ten years ago my wife had her public school classmates and some of their parents over for dinner. One of the parents was a Korean DOE teacher who had taught my wife’s friends at Kailua high school. Her husband was the dean of the University of Hawaii School of Education.

    He too favored outlawing private schools because they drained off all of the good students from the DOE. He said “The Japanese and Chinese send their children to private schools here because they want to be White.” Having grown up on the mainland and residing in Lanikai he had never been attacked by Hawaiians or Samoans.

    One of the Kailua students was trying to tell this couple about being regularly attacked in high school, about being hung over the second story by Hawaiian students and then having to sit in the vice principal ‘s office and have the perps accuse him of stealing their land.

    The couple was defending the action of the “youths” when their Korean/European son spoke up and said that the same sort of thing had happened to him.
    His mother’s startled reply was “But you are not a Ha’Ole!?!”

    Who? Whom?

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  39. @Intelligent Dasein
    I'm glad to see that sociology has caught up with what my instincts have always told me, viz. that a middle-class upbringing in a decent neighborhood results in a quantum leap forward when it comes to the child's opportunities for socioeconomic advancement. To grow up without those opportunities can sometimes be a virtual death sentence for one's hopes and dreams.

    I spent many years and a great deal of effort trying to get myself the hell out of poverty. I grew up in a dusty trailer park that hailed from the T.J. Hooker era---a sort of grease trap for burned out hippies, coke heads, and bikers even back when the neighborhood was mostly white. My parents were two severely dysfunctional and abusive alcoholics and my dad, additionally, was a bona fide sociopath. All the kids from the neighborhood (my friends growing up) were ballers, major or minor criminals, or just Beavis-and-Butthead-type dropouts. Not a few of them today are either in jail, in the state mental hospital, or dead.

    I was exposed to another world in school because I was always "gifted." Books had always been my only refuge from my miserable family life, so I read a lot growing up. I was sort of like a real-life Good Will Hunting. But when I got to high school, when hormones and status hierarchies begin to play a big role in the adolescent's burgeoning identity, I noticed how different I was from the other preppy kids I was in the AP classes with. The social gulf between us was immense and, from my perspective, unbridgeable. Consequently it was something I thought a great deal about, even from a young age. I realized early on that the experiences they'd had, compared to the ones I'd had, had conditioned them for a very different sort of life than the life I knew. Even though I had the raw intelligence necessary to compete at the highest levels, I certainly did not have any of the other prerequisites, e.g. the social skills, the networks, the knowledge base, or the money. There was no one around me to whom I could reach out to for help with these things. My own life was an abyss of ignorance, drugs, and absent parenting that I had to grope my way out of on my own.

    I won't go into the intervening biographical details, but today I live in a decent house in the suburbs, and I have a secure but not particularly lucrative fed.gov job. I like to surround myself with as much refinement as I can afford: nice clothes, luxury-brand automobiles, musical instruments that I collect and have taught myself (sort of) to play. It's a bit too late for me to fully absorb these things into my personality, but I'm doing it for the next generation. If I have kids someday, I want them to grow up in the "normal world." I don't want them to know what I know.

    Very interesting. I hope you will write more about your life.

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  40. @Anonymous
    I would support regional mega schools. I would also abolish private schools as it violates civil rights. This would leave white people with no place to run and hide. This would ensure more investment for the underprivileged and a better educated populace.

    If running and hiding are out of the question, whites will homeschool or we will fight. Either or both of those would be fine with me.

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    Homeschooling is crumbling under the weight of the structural obstacles to family formation.
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  41. @Anonymous
    I would support regional mega schools. I would also abolish private schools as it violates civil rights. This would leave white people with no place to run and hide. This would ensure more investment for the underprivileged and a better educated populace.

    You don’t children, do you?

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  42. @SFG
    Sure, but remember, it's not just whites that have inter-white wars. People in every country struggle for power. Race just adds an extra fault line because people feel more kinship (literally) to people who look more like them. So more diversity means more Hobbesianism and less social democracy. Vermont and Sweden look the same for the same reason.

    Vermont and Sweden look the same for the same reason.

    Vermont’s incidence of rape has increased 1,472% since 1975?

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    "Vermont’s incidence of rape has increased 1,472% since 1975?"

    Somalis right?
    , @Almost Missouri
    Best line in your cited Daily Mail article:

    'This [mass immigration] is an irreversible social experiment that no wealthy state has ever attempted."
     
    It may be irreversible, but it is not true that no wealthy state ever attempted it. As Edward Gibbon (and iSteve) readers know, ancient Rome "attempted" it in 376.

    "There are almost no ideas or visions over how this can be solved."
     
    A generation later, Rome fell, the empire was gone and the Dark Ages began. So ... there's that.
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  43. utu says:
    @Alec Leamas
    “An anti-Semite used to mean a man who hated Jews. Now it means a man who is hated by Jews.”

    ― Joseph Sobran

    “Like I’ve said once or twice, the worst problem with being poor in today’s America is not that you can’t afford to buy enough food, it’s that you can’t afford to get away from other poor people.” I like that line v. much. It just means that America sucks. Not only because of the skewed income distribution but also because America’s poor are probably the worst poor to be around. I saw it coming in early 1980s. Then I thought of Brazil. Yes, Brazilification.

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  44. WGG says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    I'm glad to see that sociology has caught up with what my instincts have always told me, viz. that a middle-class upbringing in a decent neighborhood results in a quantum leap forward when it comes to the child's opportunities for socioeconomic advancement. To grow up without those opportunities can sometimes be a virtual death sentence for one's hopes and dreams.

    I spent many years and a great deal of effort trying to get myself the hell out of poverty. I grew up in a dusty trailer park that hailed from the T.J. Hooker era---a sort of grease trap for burned out hippies, coke heads, and bikers even back when the neighborhood was mostly white. My parents were two severely dysfunctional and abusive alcoholics and my dad, additionally, was a bona fide sociopath. All the kids from the neighborhood (my friends growing up) were ballers, major or minor criminals, or just Beavis-and-Butthead-type dropouts. Not a few of them today are either in jail, in the state mental hospital, or dead.

    I was exposed to another world in school because I was always "gifted." Books had always been my only refuge from my miserable family life, so I read a lot growing up. I was sort of like a real-life Good Will Hunting. But when I got to high school, when hormones and status hierarchies begin to play a big role in the adolescent's burgeoning identity, I noticed how different I was from the other preppy kids I was in the AP classes with. The social gulf between us was immense and, from my perspective, unbridgeable. Consequently it was something I thought a great deal about, even from a young age. I realized early on that the experiences they'd had, compared to the ones I'd had, had conditioned them for a very different sort of life than the life I knew. Even though I had the raw intelligence necessary to compete at the highest levels, I certainly did not have any of the other prerequisites, e.g. the social skills, the networks, the knowledge base, or the money. There was no one around me to whom I could reach out to for help with these things. My own life was an abyss of ignorance, drugs, and absent parenting that I had to grope my way out of on my own.

    I won't go into the intervening biographical details, but today I live in a decent house in the suburbs, and I have a secure but not particularly lucrative fed.gov job. I like to surround myself with as much refinement as I can afford: nice clothes, luxury-brand automobiles, musical instruments that I collect and have taught myself (sort of) to play. It's a bit too late for me to fully absorb these things into my personality, but I'm doing it for the next generation. If I have kids someday, I want them to grow up in the "normal world." I don't want them to know what I know.

    Sorry about your upbringing. Mine was about halfway between yours and “normal” suburban life. We had enough money but my mother exposed us to a lot of drugs and degenerates, whilst my father was/is a straight up narcissist.

    Don’t wait to have kids if you can. Make it a goal. You will be a good parent just basically taking the opposite route of your parents. The tough part will be cutting them out of your life completely for the good of the children.

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  45. “Even as millions of mothers marched into the workforce, savings declined, and not, as we will show, because families were frittering away their paychecks on toys for themselves or their children. Instead, families were swept up in a bidding war, competing furiously with one another for their most important possession: a house in a decent school district… “

    In other words, desegregation imposed a crippling and castrating tax on White parents ( and potential parents).

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    "In other words, desegregation imposed a crippling and castrating tax on White parents ( and potential parents)."

    This.
    , @Olorin
    Precisely. As it was intended to do.

    It's cold race war we're talking about here. A people targeted for crippling and castration, all the while (((bashing on incessantly and histrionically))) about genocide and eugenics.
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  46. utu says:

    “By 2010, income segregation was twice as high among families with children younger than 18 living at home as among households without them. That means that a typical childless household lives among more diverse neighbors from across the economic spectrum than does the typical family with children.”

    This is not a wealth that is a main driver. It is the most selfish human instinct, a protection of one’s children, that drives it. It is the maternal instinct. The same instinct that was responsible for the fate of American Indians in the US where settlers were families and the lack of it in the Spanish America where settlers were chiefly single males. The maternal instinct is genocidal.

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    The maternal instinct is genocidal.

    I'm exposed to so many interesting ideas on this site. However, I know plenty of parents who are rank liberals. Is it just that they want to wipe out the children of conservatives?
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  47. @BB753
    Why not give the SPLC a taste of their own medicine?
    Right wingers persecuted or threatened by the SPLC should unite and set up a fund to fight back against them. Surely a money machine like the SPLC should have plenty of dirty secrets to answer for under close scrutiny.
    Hire top consultants, investigators, auditors and lawyers and make them shake and quiver in fear.
    There are probably quite a few Isteve readers who could help.

    Surely a money machine like the SPLC should have plenty of dirty secrets to answer for under close scrutiny.

    You bet they do, especially in regard to Tim McVeigh.

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    Expand on this?
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  48. jon says:
    @AndrewR
    Do people deny that Jews do that?

    “one of the site’s regular bloggers, Steve Sailer, has suggested that Jews “use their influence over the media” to “demoralize and divide” other groups.”

    Do people deny that Jews do that?

    Not only do they do it, but they sometimes even publicly explain the strategy on blogs:

    If you’re afraid of every group, though, shouldn’t you support whatever group has the minimum chance of doing terrible things once it’s firmly in charge? Not at all. There’s another path: Try to prevent any group from being firmly in charge. In the long-run, the best way to do this is to make every group a small minority

    From our friend Byan Caplan – http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2015/10/they_scare_me.html

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    Another example, from the Humans of New York blog:

    "You should kiss the ground you walk on if you were born in this country-- take it from an old man who once had to wear the Star of David on his shirt. There's a safety to living in such a diverse place. It's much more difficult to brainwash a population that is composed of so many different nationalities and so many different viewpoints."
     
    So, the take-away is, America must be made more and more diverse!
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  49. WGG says:

    I grew up in San Antonio which is now about 80% Mexican, and my school was probably about 70% with the rest white. I hated it. Every white kid hated being outnumbered by this foreign culture. They were clannish and uncouth. However, they were not anti-white per se, they were fairly family oriented, and many were very smart. The “gang bangers” were absolute poseurs. There was no gang activity at my middle or high schools, and they were just this side of middle class. In other words, they were nothing like California’s Mexicans. Can anyone tell me why? Why do Texas Mexicans seem more able to succeed and assimilate?

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  50. Jonah says:

    Culture + Parenting + Neighborhoods + Luck + Policy… add it all up and you MIGHT equal Genes.

    Wealthy parents are the smartest parents on average. For every additional 20K in income, there’s a statistically significant rise in IQ. And IQ is probably, what? 65% heritable? (I know Steve likes to say 50/50, but geneticists I read say that’s underselling it.)

    Wherever you put the wealthy kids, they’re going to do pretty well. It has a lot more to do with their DNA than their tutors.

    But mixing smart kids in with dumb kids hurts the smart kids more than it helps the dumb kids. So wealthy parents with are smart to pull their smart kids out of public schools (unless they’re in, say, Arcadia).

    We should just stop importing dumb kids, and incentivizing dumb parents to have more kids through the welfare state.

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  51. @ben tillman

    Surely a money machine like the SPLC should have plenty of dirty secrets to answer for under close scrutiny.
     
    You bet they do, especially in regard to Tim McVeigh.

    Expand on this?

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  52. Jefferson says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Vermont and Sweden look the same for the same reason.
     
    Vermont's incidence of rape has increased 1,472% since 1975?

    “Vermont’s incidence of rape has increased 1,472% since 1975?”

    Somalis right?

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  53. Surely a money machine like the SPLC should have plenty of dirty secrets to answer for under close scrutiny.

    You bet they do, especially in regard to Tim McVeigh.

    Are you referring to Timothy “Boom Boom” McVeigh, or Timothy “Boysearch” McVeigh?

    http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2014/06/06/clinton-era-memo-underscores-fears-about-gays-in-the-military

    http://law.jrank.org/pages/24767/McVeigh-v-Cohen–Boysrch-or-Other-Timothy-McVeigh.html

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  54. Dew says:

    Nationally, of course, the massive problem is that we’re running out of white kids to use to uplift NAM kids

    Hit the nail on the head, Steve. This is one issue that I really have no solutions for.

    The situation is going to get way worse considering White millennials tend to have 1 to 2 kids max if any. Less money to go around too. I honestly doubt that all these Hispanic kids are going to help matters. Technically, if they replace black students, things would get “better” but not much I think.

    Europeans are going to face this issue as well, even though the media kept shouting that immigration was supposed to be a boon. Depressing thought.

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    "Nationally, of course, the massive problem is that we’re running out of white kids to use to uplift NAM kids"
     
    Wasn't there an iSteve post recently to the effect that the "uplift" theory doesn't really work anyway? So even if we weren't running out of white kids to do the putative "uplift", the whole musical-chairs-with-schools program is a waste of lives and resources from the get-go.
    , @Massimo Heitor

    This is one issue that I really have no solutions for.

    The situation is going to get way worse considering White millennials tend to have 1 to 2 kids max if any.
     
    How about the obvious solution: Raise white birth rates. Israel successfully raised Jewish birth rates and suppressed Arab birth rates. The technology involved is rather low tech.
    , @Kristen
    I'm a professor. Recently I had a discussion with my students (sophomores and juniors) about their ideals and future goals. The most religious of kids (Mormons and Christians) wanted large families. One Catholic kid said he wanted ten children! The most secular kids, interestingly, also wanted children. Most said they wanted three. Two said they didn't want any.

    If I was asked as a college student if I wanted kids, I would have said, "NO." I had three.

    I wonder, then, if these kids are going to have larger families than we expect.

    By the way, this class was entirely white.
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  55. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    An interesting desegregation experiment could be tried in New Jersey, where affluent, mostly-white/Asian public school districts already subsidize urban black districts like Newark by law. Whatever that subsidy works out to on a per-pupil basis, the state (or a wealthy donor like Zuckerberg) could give a majority-white school 2x that amount to welcome a NAM student.

    It could be a win-win for the W/A school and the NAM students if the NAMs are, say, B-student athletes. The NAM students get a chance to shine in sports and maybe get scholarships to D-3 state schools, and the W/A schools get a few talented athletes that can keep their heads above water in non-honors classes.

    The A-student NAMs are probably better off staying in their 99% NAM schools and competing for valedictorian and admission to an Ivy League school or eight.

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    What about the C, D and F-student NAM's? Are you allowing the white schools to pick which NAM's they "welcome"? Stop trying to jigger things by the application of money -- it's unfair to the parent who, in economic competition, bought houses in that "white" neighborhood but cannot compete with the amounts of money the state has available.
    , @Triumph104
    D-3 colleges do not award athletic scholarships. I think athletic scholarships should be a last resort. They have to be renewed every year. Most sports mainly offer partial scholarships. Most coaches do not want athletes in time-intensive majors so that leads to many communications and sociology degrees.

    Most A-student NAMs would be better off at a W/A school. They aren't challenged at a NAM school, few or no AP classes, and receive poor guidance counseling because the counselor deals mainly with kids who are 2-3 grade levels behind. The A-student NAM would also benefit with socializing with W/A in high school so it wouldn't be a shock in college.

    This short documentary profiles two nearly identical A-students on Long Island, NY. They received drastically different educations and futures because one went to a W/A school and the other to a NAM school.

    https://youtu.be/0CIeyovogoo
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  56. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I just wish dirty politicians would stop using children as political footballs.

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    "You're such a pollyanna -- I bet you kiss prostitutes."

    - Director Avery Bullock
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  57. Truth says:

    Yeah, quotas would be good. We want to keep a few of you people IN the good schools.

    http://wordondastreet.com/8th-grader-kory-terrell-is-texas-new-spelling-bee-champion/

    Igbo? WHAT IGBO????

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    Congratulations to Kory of course, but that's OK. I am willing to allow his school to remain all-black if it is now. It's only fair.
    , @Triumph104
    1. Igbos aren't noted for winning spelling bees or ice hockey championships so there was no point in mentioning them.

    2. Kory won the Texan Spelling Bee which was his middle school bee that was held in the Texan Room at his school. Davila Middle School is one of the worst in the state. Note that his win is only mentioned on blogs and not newspapers/television news.

    3. Kory lives in Bryan near Houston and didn't win regionals. The two Houston regional spelling bee co-champions are both Indian. They will represent the region later this month at the Scripps National Spelling Bee in Washington, DC.

    http://davila.bryanisd.org/apps/events/2015/12/8/2462061/?id=0
    http://www.schooldigger.com/go/TX/schools/1179011155/school.aspx
    https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/2016/04/04/143674/houston-spelling-bee-has-two-new-co-champions/
    , @AnotherDad

    Igbo? WHAT IGBO????
     
    As a nice and generous fellow, i do not wish to deprive Nigeria of Kory Terrell or any of these wonderful, talented Igbo who are making Nigeria great! It is a disservice to Nigeria--actual "violence", heck racist!--to steal them from their African home
    , @Brutusale
    I guess ESL Ebonics trumps ESL Spanish.
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  58. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Jefferson
    "Like I’ve said once or twice, the worst problem with being poor in today’s America is not that you can’t afford to buy enough food, it’s that you can’t afford to get away from other poor people."

    Most of the Black middle class can not get away from other poor Black people, because they are in most cases part of the same family.

    Even the most powerful Black man in the world Barack Hussein Obama has Black family members who live in poverty.

    You could take the opposite approach: spread the white kids around. Take a page from Jack Welch: the bottom 10% of white students get bussed to Central High next year. Improve student performance and desegregate at the same time: win-win.

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    Not a win for the white students bussed, in fact it makes them targets. Bussing between districts cannot be mandated, according to the Milliken decision.
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  59. @Reg Cæsar

    Vermont and Sweden look the same for the same reason.
     
    Vermont's incidence of rape has increased 1,472% since 1975?

    Best line in your cited Daily Mail article:

    ‘This [mass immigration] is an irreversible social experiment that no wealthy state has ever attempted.”

    It may be irreversible, but it is not true that no wealthy state ever attempted it. As Edward Gibbon (and iSteve) readers know, ancient Rome “attempted” it in 376.

    “There are almost no ideas or visions over how this can be solved.”

    A generation later, Rome fell, the empire was gone and the Dark Ages began. So … there’s that.

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  60. artichoke says:
    @Triumph104
    Pinellas County Schools abandoned integration efforts in 2007 and let the poor schools fend for themselves. Five elementary schools now have more incidences of violence than all 17 of the high schools combined.

    Although the Tampa Bay Times did an investigative series on current problems, the paper published several editorials in the 2007 in favor of ending planned integration.

    http://www.tampabay.com/projects/2015/investigations/pinellas-failure-factories/

    These children’s parents live in an area of bad schools. It’s clear that schools should meet minimum standards, and maybe these schools don’t. But it’s not discrimination just because the black school is worse than the white one. What if the white one were worse? (Of course that never happens — which really shows the problem is not discrimination but the students and families in the district.) The Milliken case basically says that things have to be equalized within districts, but not across districts. That is the law of the land and it supersedes Brown v. Board of Education (but the typical indoctrination leaves that out.)

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    This has nothing to do with academics. The schools are dangerous. Kindergartens are sexually violating other students. Both teachers and students are getting injured and leaving the school in an ambulance. The bullied children are suicidal. The schools require teacher's aides, security personnel, social workers, and counselors. Teachers need training on how to manage disruptive students.

    The school board agreed to provide extra funding/services to the poor schools when busing ended, but that never happened. Even now the solution from the Pinellas County School Board is to pay teachers an extra $25,000/yr, which of course won't stop the violence.

    The thing that both liberals and conservatives agree on is that white middle-class parents make a public school run efficiently. Once they leave chaos erupts.
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  61. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Alec Leamas
    Perhaps but Whiskey is writing about whites scuttling other high performing whites in order to perpetuate the former's hereditary positions in the new class. Think about how the combination of legacy admissions and affirmative action as well as networking among the new class works to squeeze out talented middle class kids at elite institutions.

    And then there are the "pipeline" institutions - e.g., The Lawrenceville School in New Jersey is the "pipeline" to Princeton with close existing relationships between its faculty and administrators and the University. It costs nearly fifty thousand dollars per year for day students, and nearly sixty thousand dollars a year for boarding students. Shameless networking and expensive resume padding wholly outside of the ken and means of the middle class.

    Our elite institutions are meritocratic in the way that the late Roman Empire was nevertheless still referred to as a Republic.

    “Our elite institutions are meritocratic in the way that the late Roman Empire was nevertheless still referred to as a Republic.”

    The notion of meritocracy in America probably needs to be reconsidered.

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  62. artichoke says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    You could take the opposite approach: spread the white kids around. Take a page from Jack Welch: the bottom 10% of white students get bussed to Central High next year. Improve student performance and desegregate at the same time: win-win.

    Not a win for the white students bussed, in fact it makes them targets. Bussing between districts cannot be mandated, according to the Milliken decision.

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  63. How bad is it really? The people having 2+ children are pretty much married to each other at least while the kids are young and mom SAHMs for at least several years instead of that darn daycare.

    It’s bad for poor women, who have one child mostly, but most kids with siblings aren’t out of wedlock.

    But our kids are going into private schools because of WWT in the public schools, not black children of single mothers.

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    er, what's WWT?
    , @Anonymous
    What's WWT?
    , @Almost Missouri
    I'm guessing you live in a non-vibrant school district.
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  64. artichoke says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    An interesting desegregation experiment could be tried in New Jersey, where affluent, mostly-white/Asian public school districts already subsidize urban black districts like Newark by law. Whatever that subsidy works out to on a per-pupil basis, the state (or a wealthy donor like Zuckerberg) could give a majority-white school 2x that amount to welcome a NAM student.

    It could be a win-win for the W/A school and the NAM students if the NAMs are, say, B-student athletes. The NAM students get a chance to shine in sports and maybe get scholarships to D-3 state schools, and the W/A schools get a few talented athletes that can keep their heads above water in non-honors classes.

    The A-student NAMs are probably better off staying in their 99% NAM schools and competing for valedictorian and admission to an Ivy League school or eight.

    What about the C, D and F-student NAM’s? Are you allowing the white schools to pick which NAM’s they “welcome”? Stop trying to jigger things by the application of money — it’s unfair to the parent who, in economic competition, bought houses in that “white” neighborhood but cannot compete with the amounts of money the state has available.

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  65. artichoke says:
    @The Practical Conservative
    How bad is it really? The people having 2+ children are pretty much married to each other at least while the kids are young and mom SAHMs for at least several years instead of that darn daycare.

    It's bad for poor women, who have one child mostly, but most kids with siblings aren't out of wedlock.

    But our kids are going into private schools because of WWT in the public schools, not black children of single mothers.

    er, what’s WWT?

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    World War Transsexual. It's what the Ruling Class went to after winning WWG (World War Gay). I'm not sure if there are post tags for it, but dig through the archives, maybe run some iSteve and WWT through a search engine.

    In a nutshell it's shorthand for virtue-signaling moral crusades that are disastrous for society in general and particularly working-class whites, but make the SWPDL types feel good about themselves...
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  66. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @ben tillman

    “Even as millions of mothers marched into the workforce, savings declined, and not, as we will show, because families were frittering away their paychecks on toys for themselves or their children. Instead, families were swept up in a bidding war, competing furiously with one another for their most important possession: a house in a decent school district… “
     
    In other words, desegregation imposed a crippling and castrating tax on White parents ( and potential parents).

    “In other words, desegregation imposed a crippling and castrating tax on White parents ( and potential parents).”

    This.

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  67. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @The Practical Conservative
    How bad is it really? The people having 2+ children are pretty much married to each other at least while the kids are young and mom SAHMs for at least several years instead of that darn daycare.

    It's bad for poor women, who have one child mostly, but most kids with siblings aren't out of wedlock.

    But our kids are going into private schools because of WWT in the public schools, not black children of single mothers.

    What’s WWT?

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  68. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Priss Factor
    Woof Woof

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/10/ann-coulter-s-anti-semitism-runs-deeper-than-you-know.html

    "one of the site’s regular bloggers, Steve Sailer, has suggested that Jews “use their influence over the media” to “demoralize and divide” other groups."

    SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITE!!!!!!

    LOL

    Steve should own it and change his name to Steve Hitler. I bet site traffic would increase.

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    "Steve should own it and change his name to Steve Hitler."

    But then, you would lose the SS effect.

    Otoh...

    One of us could make a statue of Steve Hitler on his knees holding a rabbit.

    It'll fetch at least 7 million.

    Btw, the Hitler-on-knees statue.... it'd would go well with Bowie's Quicksand or Who's Behind Blue Eyes.
    , @NOTA
    It would save steps for many people who argue against his points.
    , @antipater_1
    But if Steve does so he must go whole hog - Steven A. Hitler. heh heh heh
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  69. MC says:
    @27 year old
    We could easily all "go to Harvard": view lectures and submit work online.

    But that’s not what “going to Harvard” is for.

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  70. @BB753
    Why not give the SPLC a taste of their own medicine?
    Right wingers persecuted or threatened by the SPLC should unite and set up a fund to fight back against them. Surely a money machine like the SPLC should have plenty of dirty secrets to answer for under close scrutiny.
    Hire top consultants, investigators, auditors and lawyers and make them shake and quiver in fear.
    There are probably quite a few Isteve readers who could help.

    Yes, SPLC is essentially a fraud organization run by sociopaths. This needs to be pointed out loudly and consistently.

    The SPLC sits on assets worth above a quarter of a billion (yes, with a “b”) dollars, without actually doing much of anything to justify its existence. It pays its executives way above standard nonprofit wages (over $300k/yr, and that’s just the cash). As John Derbyshire remarked, “the Southern Poverty Law Center is a dubious racket dedicated mainly to eradicating poverty among its executives—none of whom, by the way, in all the 42 years the SPLC has been in existence, has ever been black.” So, diversity for thee, white male millionaires’ monopoly for me.

    The SPLC is so exploitative and self-serving that the auditor CharityWatch gave it an “F” rating, its lowest. It also flunked an audit of the Better Business Bureau’s Wise Giving Alliance.

    Speaking of its executives, Morris Dees’s divorce served up some … er, interesting(?) personal details. It was covered by Kathy Shaidle among others some time ago. Some of the papers are online.

    And then you can always keep up like this:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=splc+expose

    The SPLC’s name should never appear in print without modifiers such as “charity-scam”, “hypocritical”, “fraudulent”, “exploitative”, “racket”, “scam artist”, “hate group”, “con game”, “witch hunters”, “self-serving”, “discredited”, “organized hate crime”, “racist” and “lying”.

    Morris Dees should always be mentioned with the SPLC with the modifiers “wife beater”, “incestuous child molester”, “serial adulterer”, “millionaire”, “well connected to the Democratic establishment” and “con man”. Dees is also a bisexual, mistress-impregnator, and inconvenient-fetus-aborter, but it’s hard to say if those are positives or negatives nowadays.

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  71. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:
    @Anonymous
    Steve should own it and change his name to Steve Hitler. I bet site traffic would increase.

    “Steve should own it and change his name to Steve Hitler.”

    But then, you would lose the SS effect.

    Otoh…

    One of us could make a statue of Steve Hitler on his knees holding a rabbit.

    It’ll fetch at least 7 million.

    Btw, the Hitler-on-knees statue…. it’d would go well with Bowie’s Quicksand or Who’s Behind Blue Eyes.

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  72. NOTA says:
    @Anonymous
    Steve should own it and change his name to Steve Hitler. I bet site traffic would increase.

    It would save steps for many people who argue against his points.

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  73. @The Practical Conservative
    How bad is it really? The people having 2+ children are pretty much married to each other at least while the kids are young and mom SAHMs for at least several years instead of that darn daycare.

    It's bad for poor women, who have one child mostly, but most kids with siblings aren't out of wedlock.

    But our kids are going into private schools because of WWT in the public schools, not black children of single mothers.

    I’m guessing you live in a non-vibrant school district.

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    It's completely average in test scores, but above average in transgender promotion. So vibrant or not, I'd rather put my kids in private schools I know are not pro-WWT.
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  74. @Dew

    Nationally, of course, the massive problem is that we’re running out of white kids to use to uplift NAM kids
     
    Hit the nail on the head, Steve. This is one issue that I really have no solutions for.

    The situation is going to get way worse considering White millennials tend to have 1 to 2 kids max if any. Less money to go around too. I honestly doubt that all these Hispanic kids are going to help matters. Technically, if they replace black students, things would get "better" but not much I think.

    Europeans are going to face this issue as well, even though the media kept shouting that immigration was supposed to be a boon. Depressing thought.

    “Nationally, of course, the massive problem is that we’re running out of white kids to use to uplift NAM kids”

    Wasn’t there an iSteve post recently to the effect that the “uplift” theory doesn’t really work anyway? So even if we weren’t running out of white kids to do the putative “uplift”, the whole musical-chairs-with-schools program is a waste of lives and resources from the get-go.

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    Wasn’t there an iSteve post recently to the effect that the “uplift” theory doesn’t really work anyway?
     
    From: http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/diversity.htm

    Figure 1 shows a scatterplot of eighth-grade math pass rates at the satisfactory level vs. black class percentage. Each point contains data from a single school. The extent of scatter, caused by failure to control for SES, is conspicuous. Yet, discernible through the noise, is a downward drift in performance with increasing black classroom presence. Both black and white rates decline as classrooms become blacker. Putting it more positively, students of both races achieve more in whiter classes.
     


    How does achievement in the classroom relate to SES and racial mix? Regression supplies the answer. We fit pass rates to a linear model, using black eighth-grade percentage and average neighborhood home value as independent variables. The results are summarized in Table 2. Four choices of dependent variable were used: black and white pass rates, each at the satisfactory and excellent levels of achievement. Pass rates were fit to the plane, y = a + b1x1 + b2x2 , where y is one of four pass rates, and x1 and x2 are eighth-grade black class percentage and average neighborhood home value, respectively.

    The numbers tell a simple story. Racial integration raises black performance and lowers white. At high levels of confidence, especially for whites, performance declines linearly with increasing black class percentage. At the satisfactory level of achievement, with SES held constant, an increment in black class percentage of 1 percent causes a 0.537 percent decrement in the white pass rate and a 0.237 percent decrement in the black. Performance for both races is lowered by increasing the number of classroom blacks. The effect on whites is more pronounced. Their pass rates decline at twice the rate of blacks. At the excellent level, white pass rates are reduced by a 0.290 percent decrement for each 1 percent increment in black-student percentage. At this level, black performance is extremely poor and is essentially unaffected by the racial mix of a classroom or the SES of its students.

    SES and racial mix exert about equal influences on achievement. Holding racial composition constant, each increment of 1 percent in average neighborhood home value advances white satisfactory-level achievement by a 0.507 percent increment and by a 0.345 percent increment at the excellent level. For the same increment in home value, blacks improve by a 0.307 percent increment at the satisfactory level of achievement. The graphs of Figure 4 tell the story with miserly simplicity.
     

    The bottom line: Pushing more NAM's into your white kid's school systematically sacrifices your child on the altar of uplifting others. Where is the Aztec temple for human sacrifice?
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  75. Olorin says:
    @SFG
    You've got a problem I don't see how to fix. Whatever neighborhood takes the poor blacks (and whites, for that matter) is going to suffer. I suppose it might be possible to spread them around to the point where they don't exist anywhere in enough numbers to really drag things down, but that would require a level of government coordination that just can't be done in a republic.

    And they'd be at the bottom of every class.

    Besides, we can't all have 'good schools', like we can't all go to Harvard.

    Back in the late 1970s and early ’80s I interacted with an up-and-coming industrial waste treatment facility started by chemist guys let go from a multinational corporation that was bound and determined not to let burgeoning reams of pesky old scientific data stop them from discharging their carcinogenic effluent into the Delaware River.

    One of my organic chem journal articles had a sentence I have never forgotten:

    The solution to pollution is not dilution.

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  76. Olorin says:
    @ben tillman

    “Even as millions of mothers marched into the workforce, savings declined, and not, as we will show, because families were frittering away their paychecks on toys for themselves or their children. Instead, families were swept up in a bidding war, competing furiously with one another for their most important possession: a house in a decent school district… “
     
    In other words, desegregation imposed a crippling and castrating tax on White parents ( and potential parents).

    Precisely. As it was intended to do.

    It’s cold race war we’re talking about here. A people targeted for crippling and castration, all the while (((bashing on incessantly and histrionically))) about genocide and eugenics.

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  77. Nico says:
    @Lagertha
    rumor is, has been...is now, that the students are not cool...at ALL the elite U's, btw. The rumor is, the students are miserable navel-gazers. The whole atmosphere is depressing, and that is why the current students dig up stuff to protest about (or do a shit-ton of Molly & stuff) - get some pulse goin' - because they're miffed. College is not like the movies they heard about, about all the wild and crazy, Animal-Housy things that go on in college - all the "best years of their life," especially, especially, especially if they were complete and utter nerds/grade-grinds in HS. I will boldly speculate: the students at today's elite institutions are even more socially inept, culturally stupid than my class of the 80's.

    So what you’re saying is the Asiatization feared by the Ivies and which is the real reason for their continuing anti-Asian affirmative action has already occurred in all but skin color.

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    Whaaa? I have "medicine head" right now, so am not sure where you're goin' with this ? And, I may say stupid things that make no sense at this time.

    OK: My feeling, for many years (and I am only coming from MY experience) of my sons & friends who fall under the WASP, WASC category - they're not accepted at Elite U's. So, judging on what happened to them (they were all in the .1% of math/science ability nationally,...a few in language arts, also), as far as college admissions, confirms my feeling that it is ALL b.s. now, AND, Asians, included. We just can't have too many smart Asians and smart white guys walking among those Ivy covered halls...this is what I feel is going on.

    I have sooo much knowledge (can't divulge) about Elite U admissions these last 8-10 years (when just fracking, stuff changed) about the selection system in place, including (in my opinion) keeping an Asian threshold that you speak about. Full disclosure: because one of my sons is a fencer, he has always had MANY Asian friends, and during that awful college admissions process (he is graduating from U now), I can tell you that I had many conversations with my Asian mom-squad at fencing tournaments ( I am, duh, not Asian..unless going back to THE GREAT MIGRATION) about how weird the elite schools were, and why would they not accept our brilliant children????? Some of my "squad" moms did get the "Golden Ticket" to an elite U..but it often had to do with the fact that their son was a National Champion in his weapon...or at least, in the top 5.

    The Elite U's are practicing a kinda' "social engineering policy/socialism," meaning, they will accept a certain quota of Asians ( M & F) and a certain quota of white, male WASP's & WASC's...but VERY restricted (athletes/football players are exempt). They will fill every freshmen class with 50% URM's/geographical UR's, sexual orientation UR's, 10-14 % foreign($$$)students. So, for instance, had my son applied from Nebraska/Alaska/New Mexico, he would have gotten in to every elite U he applied to....because he is in the top 1% in ability.

    So, it's not just an Asian quota, it is a WASP/WASC quota, too....no matter how smart you are. And, that's the sad part. How does an elite U benefit from not admitting the most gifted (test scores) and talented students to its freshmen class? Where is the benefit of accepting mediocre students ( taking in to account IQ: SAT/ACT/AP scores) and how many remedial courses had to be established (paid for) with adjunct (lowest paid) professors for these kids to learn how to write and take Algebra 2! - no kidding.

    I understand the point of the "social engineering" idea....taking a chance on a kid who may not have the math & writing scores (however, many of these students drop out of Harvard & Co.) ....that they may become "somebody." The movement to find a way to decrease the wealth gap has been going on since the late 80's...and, this post is long enough (Ha!) as to why I think this. The achievement gap is sort of the Bete Noire for SJWs in the higher ed.

    I've told all the brilliant kids I know these days: go to the U that gives you the most amount of money. Don't look back - it's a fracking B.A. - and, with no loans, Grad school is affordable after you get state residency...or you get a really good "fellowship."

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  78. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Instead, families were swept up in a bidding war, competing furiously with one another for their most important possession: a house in a decent school district… “

    Warren infuriates me more than all the rest because she figured all of it out but is blind to the last step – what started this bidding war was white flight from crime she won’t admit exists.

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  79. Olorin says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    I'm glad to see that sociology has caught up with what my instincts have always told me, viz. that a middle-class upbringing in a decent neighborhood results in a quantum leap forward when it comes to the child's opportunities for socioeconomic advancement. To grow up without those opportunities can sometimes be a virtual death sentence for one's hopes and dreams.

    I spent many years and a great deal of effort trying to get myself the hell out of poverty. I grew up in a dusty trailer park that hailed from the T.J. Hooker era---a sort of grease trap for burned out hippies, coke heads, and bikers even back when the neighborhood was mostly white. My parents were two severely dysfunctional and abusive alcoholics and my dad, additionally, was a bona fide sociopath. All the kids from the neighborhood (my friends growing up) were ballers, major or minor criminals, or just Beavis-and-Butthead-type dropouts. Not a few of them today are either in jail, in the state mental hospital, or dead.

    I was exposed to another world in school because I was always "gifted." Books had always been my only refuge from my miserable family life, so I read a lot growing up. I was sort of like a real-life Good Will Hunting. But when I got to high school, when hormones and status hierarchies begin to play a big role in the adolescent's burgeoning identity, I noticed how different I was from the other preppy kids I was in the AP classes with. The social gulf between us was immense and, from my perspective, unbridgeable. Consequently it was something I thought a great deal about, even from a young age. I realized early on that the experiences they'd had, compared to the ones I'd had, had conditioned them for a very different sort of life than the life I knew. Even though I had the raw intelligence necessary to compete at the highest levels, I certainly did not have any of the other prerequisites, e.g. the social skills, the networks, the knowledge base, or the money. There was no one around me to whom I could reach out to for help with these things. My own life was an abyss of ignorance, drugs, and absent parenting that I had to grope my way out of on my own.

    I won't go into the intervening biographical details, but today I live in a decent house in the suburbs, and I have a secure but not particularly lucrative fed.gov job. I like to surround myself with as much refinement as I can afford: nice clothes, luxury-brand automobiles, musical instruments that I collect and have taught myself (sort of) to play. It's a bit too late for me to fully absorb these things into my personality, but I'm doing it for the next generation. If I have kids someday, I want them to grow up in the "normal world." I don't want them to know what I know.

    Reading your thoughts underscores the importance of finding truly gifted kids wherever they appear, and connecting them with “social skills, networks, knowledge base, money.”

    What you describe as your experience is PRECISELY what the now national religion of dolt wrangling has robbed our society of: the ability to spend liberally to identify and nurture bright kids.

    Instead we have exactly the opposite: a government-run, tax-supported agenda of spending more time and energy and money on children of no potential whatever and actively destroying the potential of bright white children.

    On top of that is absolute widespread denial that this is what’s happening. So we wonder how best to confront this idiotic utopian blank slatism that says that if we spend all the money in the world to raise an idiot’s IQ 5 points, it will have been worth it. Black thugs’ lives matter, but if a smart white kid is lost, or ten, or a thousand, or ten thousand, that doesn’t. As though we’re running short on dindus, gangstas, and Gentle Giants.

    Which reveals the worm in the heart of the nut: who is competing with whom genetically, socially, politically, economically. Who calls the shots. Who issues the diversity diversions. Who is overrepresented and who is underrepresented in the corridors of power. What the competitive strategies are.

    “Doing it for the next generation” is all we can do, on any front. That is a gift of the forward-thinking (Promethean) mind.

    We can also share the past, as Epimetheus.

    https://muse.jhu.edu/article/486127

    However it’s not a good time to reflect on lives such as yours (and mine) in liberal proggy SJW circles. Social chimeras are not welcome. Sexual and racial ones, sure.

    That’s one of the missing elements even in racial realist circles. Some of us have experienced all this up close from different angles. Not flesh nor fish nor bone. That time may come. I’d like to see someone solicit more intimate accounts of what it means to grow up in (((Race War))) America, from the 1960s to today.

    We’re all guessing at normal. Thing is, you are not normal. The hunger to be that will always be there. But to be an outlier is an irrevocable destiny, and don’t worry–your kids will live out their destinies, not yours. Your job will be to help them discover that. And if you want to save your children from the rigors and evils of life as you have experienced it, I recommend skipping ahead to verse 72 here:

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/sbe49/sbe4903.htm

    Also Francis Thompson, “The Hound of Heaven.”

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  80. @anony-mouse
    Wouldn't it be great to find a source for areas with good schools, low crime and low real estate costs?

    Thanks to the GOP primaries we may have found such a source: Counties with lots of Cruz votes over Trump.

    Lots of Cruz votes = Republican

    Over Trump = fewer bankrupt people, solider families, fewer people with emotional, drug and financial problems.

    Mostly in Idaho, Utah, Texas, Maine, Oklahoma, Alaska, Wisconsin, Wyoming, Iowa.

    But you may have to omit Alabama and Pennsylvania entirely.

    I may never have to mention ND again as a place to move to.

    As the invaluable (in all matters but Presidential primaries) Thomas Sowell once noted in another context, look for the areas that are German and not Scots-Irish.

    Once you’ve obviously eliminated the BIG City (Birmingham/Philadelphia), in both Pennsylvania and Alabama, look for the area in your price range that was settled by Germans, and you’ll more often than not find good schools, solid community, good work habits, and low local taxes.

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  81. @Intelligent Dasein
    I'm glad to see that sociology has caught up with what my instincts have always told me, viz. that a middle-class upbringing in a decent neighborhood results in a quantum leap forward when it comes to the child's opportunities for socioeconomic advancement. To grow up without those opportunities can sometimes be a virtual death sentence for one's hopes and dreams.

    I spent many years and a great deal of effort trying to get myself the hell out of poverty. I grew up in a dusty trailer park that hailed from the T.J. Hooker era---a sort of grease trap for burned out hippies, coke heads, and bikers even back when the neighborhood was mostly white. My parents were two severely dysfunctional and abusive alcoholics and my dad, additionally, was a bona fide sociopath. All the kids from the neighborhood (my friends growing up) were ballers, major or minor criminals, or just Beavis-and-Butthead-type dropouts. Not a few of them today are either in jail, in the state mental hospital, or dead.

    I was exposed to another world in school because I was always "gifted." Books had always been my only refuge from my miserable family life, so I read a lot growing up. I was sort of like a real-life Good Will Hunting. But when I got to high school, when hormones and status hierarchies begin to play a big role in the adolescent's burgeoning identity, I noticed how different I was from the other preppy kids I was in the AP classes with. The social gulf between us was immense and, from my perspective, unbridgeable. Consequently it was something I thought a great deal about, even from a young age. I realized early on that the experiences they'd had, compared to the ones I'd had, had conditioned them for a very different sort of life than the life I knew. Even though I had the raw intelligence necessary to compete at the highest levels, I certainly did not have any of the other prerequisites, e.g. the social skills, the networks, the knowledge base, or the money. There was no one around me to whom I could reach out to for help with these things. My own life was an abyss of ignorance, drugs, and absent parenting that I had to grope my way out of on my own.

    I won't go into the intervening biographical details, but today I live in a decent house in the suburbs, and I have a secure but not particularly lucrative fed.gov job. I like to surround myself with as much refinement as I can afford: nice clothes, luxury-brand automobiles, musical instruments that I collect and have taught myself (sort of) to play. It's a bit too late for me to fully absorb these things into my personality, but I'm doing it for the next generation. If I have kids someday, I want them to grow up in the "normal world." I don't want them to know what I know.

    You’ve led an impressive life so far, Mr. Intelligent Dasein. When a door opens, don’t be afraid to step right on in.

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  82. dearieme says:

    ‘Even more striking: “This year more people will declare themselves bankrupt than will suffer a heart attack.”’

    That’s not really at all striking to anyone who knows that the epidemic of heart attacks is coming to a close. It peaked about 1970, for heaven’s sake.

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  83. @artichoke
    er, what's WWT?

    World War Transsexual. It’s what the Ruling Class went to after winning WWG (World War Gay). I’m not sure if there are post tags for it, but dig through the archives, maybe run some iSteve and WWT through a search engine.

    In a nutshell it’s shorthand for virtue-signaling moral crusades that are disastrous for society in general and particularly working-class whites, but make the SWPDL types feel good about themselves…

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  84. @MJMD
    I really have no idea what a public K-through-12 education looks like at a really good public school district in the United States, but what with federal interference, tenured teachers, and PTA entitlement, could it possibly be better than you would get at bona fide elite private institution? Why don't more high-achieving, upper-percentile white parents with a reasonable chance of having brainy children save on the sticker price and property taxes for their house, buying into one of those trendy "diverse" neighbourhoods that millennials supposedly like anyway, and just fork out the difference paying for private education? America's embarrassment of riches when it comes to higher education (and it really is, in spite of SJW shenanigans) is largely thanks to a breadth and depth of private options unmatched anywhere else on Earth, although the US model is quietly emulated in East Asia and Latin America. Everywhere else, a monolithic state sector is completely dominant (I can't wait to see how well that works out when it comes to absorbing the migrants flooding into France and Germany). So why don't Americans demand more institutional diversity when it comes to primary and secondary education? Wealthy private schools can also afford to take on and subsidize a few more poor black students (just as heavily-endowed private colleges can easily afford to completely subsidize a few affirmative action students), but with relatively little danger of the process getting out of control. We don't need quotas for white people, we need a cultural shift where white people become more comfortable abandoning public education and more invested in paying directly for private schooling for their children. The end result, ideally, would be less neighbourhood segregation, the rapid growth of a non-profit market capable of better subsidizing outliers from disadvantaged communities, and fewer real barriers to imposing strict discipline on the remedial public remainder.

    I really have no idea what a public K-through-12 education looks like at a really good public school district in the United States, but what with federal interference, tenured teachers, and PTA entitlement, could it possibly be better than you would get at bona fide elite private institution?

    Well, I know that the public schools in the wealthy Boston suburbs (Brookline, Newton, Wellesley, Weston, etc.) are probably equal to or better than most private schools. When your kids are in a local public school you are more organically connected with your community, a value conservatives should appreciate. In the Boston suburbs you also recoup the school expense in the increasing value of your home equity, at least theoretically.

    The advantage of private schools is mostly for ambitious parents – better networking opportunities with like-minded ambitious people. Unless we are talking about a top elite school like Phillips Exeter which is probably one of the best schools in the world, and worth the money.

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    Look at the college admission stats of those top private schools and you'll see a depressing picture. They are not a pathway to the Ivy League.

    Here are the placement stats from Phillips Andover Academy. Andover is generally considered to be even more selective than Phillips Exeter.
    https://www.andover.edu/Academics/CollegeCounseling/Documents/PhillipsAcademySchoolProfile2015-2016.pdf

    and if you look at the admission stats, considering that this student body is already highly screened, you see that it's very very tough to get from there to the Ivy League.

    Private school teachers often have the same qualifications as those in public school, but without the union protections, pension etc. Where do you think the most desirable teachers would prefer to work?
    , @guest
    Compulsory public education is not "organically" tied to anything.
    , @Alice
    You said

    When your kids are in a local public school you are more organically connected with your community, a value conservatives should appreciate.
     
    This has the causality reversed. Neighborhoods used to exist because they were monocultural. With everyone basically with the same cultural values, going to the same corner church, and with moms at home, you could let your kid go to the local public school or Catholic school and be connected to that community because it was just an outgrowth if your community.

    Nowadays, neighborhoods don't exist in that way. Most don't have enough stay at home wives for kids to be playing after school. So they are bedroom communities. Often, they are "vibrant" so no one would want their kid playing with the other kids anyway. The corner church is empty or closed.

    So the "neighborhood" school has become a replacement community. Parents throw tons of time, talent and treasure at their local public school because they hope that school has parents who value what they value. But of course, the "neighborhood" of the achool is a giant boundary with its own "vibrancy" baked in. The parents then spend enormous resources navigating that school to find those whose valurs match their own.

    They are also stuck-- unable to complain for fear it will destroy their belonging or their kids' belonging in the community. No one pushes back. No one wants to be the bigot or bully. Next then you know, transgender bathrooms and locker rooms. And you're a bigot if you complain. The private school allows you a tiny chance to vote with your wallet and feet.

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  85. Blobby5 says:

    I heard Steve taught his rabbit to give the Hitler salute…case closed.

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  86. Bugg says:
    @Alice
    Recent articles in Minneapolis and at. Paul papers have been aimed at attacking charter schools. The attack is that charter schools siphon off too many whites, so now that St. Paul city schools are "majority minority". The newspaper phrased this as "segregated". It was segregated because the population of white students was down to 22%. See? Steve is right! No longer enough white students to be integrated!
    "The Star Tribune defined segregated as any school that had 80 percent or more minority students (predominantly minority) or less than 20 percent minorities (predominantly white)."

    Now, charters are also often segragted by choice. We can't have religious charters, but we can have cultural charters here. So the Hmong have a few, and the Chinese a few, and the Koreans have one, and then there are the hippy dippy Montessori ones for whites, etc.

    Here are a few articles.
    http://m.startribune.com/desegregation-lawsuit-pulls-in-state-s-charter-schools/358457791/

    http://m.startribune.com/data-segregation-in-twin-cities-charter-schools/347625331/

    This last one is an Op ed arguing that forced busing to reintegrate charters is not the answer. Of course, its language is leftist anyway.
    http://m.startribune.com/in-minnesota-we-must-think-broadly-about-school-integration/363960211/

    The goal of the lawsuit and attention is twofold: one, destroy the charters per se, and two, destroy the charters to force white kids back into schools to raise their test scores. Charters propagate disparity. Some pull urban kids out of the sewer. Some try to teach actual content knowledge to children. Can't have either.

    Not sure if charters themselves are the reason their students do well. More likely parents (and that’s plural) who care about their children’s education are going to seek out the best possible school they can get. And that means one with few NAMs.

    In NYC, DiBlasio is now trying to get more black and Latino kids into the competitive test high schools. Not sure how this will play out because it pits SWPL, Jewish and Asian parents against NAMs. There’s a lot of work getting your child into those schools along with a competitive entrance exam and grades. If you throw all that out to cater to NAMs it would not be the great program it has always been.

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  87. biz says:
    @27 year old
    We could easily all "go to Harvard": view lectures and submit work online.

    Then we would be going to something called “Harvard” which does not provide anywhere near the education, much less the research opportunities, that the Harvard that we know does.

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    >2016
    >still believing the "education" is better at the Ivy League schools
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  88. TheJester says:

    Is the Issue Immigration … or Standards?

    I’m writing as someone who has moved multiple times and heavily invested in better neighborhoods and schools for, first, our sons and now, our grandson. It works … it really works!

    In the 1990s, we abandoned southern California due to the deteriorating neighborhoods and schools associated with the Hispanic invasion and the migration of Black gangs to the suburbs. As is always the case, the culture and schools went “south” due to the social anarchy associated with multiculturalism. We later paid a fortune to put our oldest son in a private engineering school in Silicon Valley to keep him away from the infectious culture in California public universities. (How can you keep your son way from drugs at a public university when the professors are doing drugs?)

    Now in 2016, we are paying a fortune to put our grandson in a upscale pre-K in Northern Virginia; he’ll stay for the private kindergarten next year. The fees are equivalent to an exclusive private high school. Regarding demographics, approximately 75% of the students are White. The rest tend to be Hindi or Asian; there are very few Blacks or Hispanics. The teacher/student ratio is two professional adult teachers for 16 pre-K students. Our grandson is thriving. At five years of age and only eight months in school, he knows the alphabet, can add numbers, spell words, and is starting to read. He has mastered the iPhone and iPad and is proficient in Microsoft Word to practice spelling and simple sentence construction.

    Flashback! The son who attended the private engineering school in Silicon Valley also has his daughter in pre-K in an exclusive private school in Silicon Valley. Same demographics. It is essentially a White/Asian school.

    The question is, Why have we invested so heavily in private education over the years? First, I had the privilege of a private education in Catholic schools; I experienced the difference. Second, when you notice the cultural and social collapse in contemporary society associated with integration, multiculturalism, and diversity, you can’t afford not to. You pay to segregate your children and grandchildren from the mess.

    As for the social engineering experiments to uplift poor-performing minority and immigrant populations in a multicultural stew, we’re not interested. They are risky experiments in your children and grandchildren’s futures with an extremely high rate of failure.

    Please note, Asians and Hindis also seem to understand and appreciate the alternative, high-investment strategy in a child’s education and future. They are immigrants, so the issue is not immigration but rather standards. For their children, the Asian and Hindi communities seem happy to partake in and pay for the best that traditional White culture can provide. No hostile demands on their part for multicultural standards as sops to racial, ethnic, and gender diversity.

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    "It works … it really works!"
     

    "moved multiple times and heavily invested in better neighborhoods and schools for, first, our sons and now, our grandson"
     

    "We later paid a fortune to put our oldest son in a private engineering school"
     

    "Now in 2016, we are paying a fortune to put our grandson in a upscale pre-K..."
     
    Great stuff ... if you can afford it. Fewer and fewer can. Hence The Great Middle Class Massacre.
    , @artichoke
    I didn't know that California public university faculty are known to be drug users with any frequency. Being from NY I wasn't likely to pay full freight for an out of state public university, but this is a good datapoint.

    I went to a private university well known for engineering and got an engineering degree, and it was a fine education, But having worked as an engineer, I think I worked way too hard for that career by attending a harder school than necessary. To a fair approximation an engineering degree is an engineering degree (not true of lawyers, where prestige rules, but engineering is a sort of anti-prestigious field), and an easier one will serve almost as well, while probably saving money and allowing a more relaxed time for things like pursuing the opposite sex.

    It's great that your private schools were not forced to accept diversity as in NAM's. In my area, the private schools seem to run affirmative action programs, so the escape from that is actually to go to public school in a district that has few NAM's.
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  89. biz says:
    @MJMD
    I really have no idea what a public K-through-12 education looks like at a really good public school district in the United States, but what with federal interference, tenured teachers, and PTA entitlement, could it possibly be better than you would get at bona fide elite private institution? Why don't more high-achieving, upper-percentile white parents with a reasonable chance of having brainy children save on the sticker price and property taxes for their house, buying into one of those trendy "diverse" neighbourhoods that millennials supposedly like anyway, and just fork out the difference paying for private education? America's embarrassment of riches when it comes to higher education (and it really is, in spite of SJW shenanigans) is largely thanks to a breadth and depth of private options unmatched anywhere else on Earth, although the US model is quietly emulated in East Asia and Latin America. Everywhere else, a monolithic state sector is completely dominant (I can't wait to see how well that works out when it comes to absorbing the migrants flooding into France and Germany). So why don't Americans demand more institutional diversity when it comes to primary and secondary education? Wealthy private schools can also afford to take on and subsidize a few more poor black students (just as heavily-endowed private colleges can easily afford to completely subsidize a few affirmative action students), but with relatively little danger of the process getting out of control. We don't need quotas for white people, we need a cultural shift where white people become more comfortable abandoning public education and more invested in paying directly for private schooling for their children. The end result, ideally, would be less neighbourhood segregation, the rapid growth of a non-profit market capable of better subsidizing outliers from disadvantaged communities, and fewer real barriers to imposing strict discipline on the remedial public remainder.

    Interesting thought, but it is my impression that the public schools in the best upper end suburban areas are usually better than standard private schools, on metrics such as laboratory facilities, percent of students going to elite colleges, etc. In order to match the potential education available in those public schools where families are trying to live, they would have to send their kids to the most elite private schools such as Exeter, Choate, etc, and then it really is less expensive just to buy the house.

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  90. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Priss Factor
    Woof Woof

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/10/ann-coulter-s-anti-semitism-runs-deeper-than-you-know.html

    "one of the site’s regular bloggers, Steve Sailer, has suggested that Jews “use their influence over the media” to “demoralize and divide” other groups."

    SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITE!!!!!!

    LOL

    Jews specialize in Political Correctness, defined as systematic lying with threats against the person, livelihood, or future of anyone who challenges the lies. This includes using paid trolls to spread anti-Semitic invective against anyone who states otherwise.

    Jews use their $$-driven influence over the media, finance, entertainment, education, and government to try to seize the narrative to support or otherwise camouflage the actions and interests that are good for Jews and Judaism but quite often detrimental to others and the common good of society.

    These are facts. The evidence? As the saying goes, often all one has to do is “look and see”.

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  91. Libtards DON’T want to be treated as a whites.

    So, ”we” should treat them as they want. Race is not just physical phenotype but also the desire to be part on certain group.

    Anti-white person, those who hate ”white people” are a non-white too.

    A white person who is a anti-white is one-time anti-white, because she’s biologically white or euro-caucasian but she don’t want that white people continue to exist while a separated bio-human entity.

    A non-white person who is (specially if she’s a consciously anti-white or euro-caucasian) anti-white, will be two times anti-white, because ”not to be something” tend to be a kind of ”anti”, a ultimate or essentially ”non-” based superficially in the third Newtons law but applied in this very human context.

    anti-whites (((specially self-chosen ones))) want (and they are) impose greater force against the euro-caucasian bio-existence integrity, their reproductive dynamics, their intergeneration mechanisms (culture) to conserve your type, your ecological niches.

    Metaphorically speaking, like a an ax (‘communist’) breaking a brick (white people).

    White guilty is not a problem itself, to be aware about your past-mistakes is not problematic. The main question is:

    the white guilty narrative was kidnapped by certain-ones and transformed into an anti-white narrative.

    again, the first principle to the sanity or rationality,

    2 = 2

    white guilty is not the same than anti-white

    but the current narrative works basically like that

    white guilty = anti-white

    revenge

    this word explain entire food chain

    and humans are the only ones who can start to stop this quintessential way of life, subconsciously to unconsciously competitive mode.

    white guilty is needed even for macro-politics, how to learn with their stupid mistakes and or to create a appropriated political methods for example, in ecological expansion events, what happened with the ””discovery” of the Americas.

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  92. Big Bill says:
    @Anonymous
    I would support regional mega schools. I would also abolish private schools as it violates civil rights. This would leave white people with no place to run and hide. This would ensure more investment for the underprivileged and a better educated populace.

    What additional “investment” are you looking for? The District of Columbia “invests” some $28,000 per year per child. It spends way, way more money per student than some dinky white town would ever be able to spend. If we “invested” equally in white kids and ghetto kids the ghetto schools would collapse.

    There are exceptions. Detroit schools are collapsing and the teachers are out on strike because the negro residents of Detroit refuse to “invest” more in their own children.

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  93. AP says:
    @MJMD
    I really have no idea what a public K-through-12 education looks like at a really good public school district in the United States, but what with federal interference, tenured teachers, and PTA entitlement, could it possibly be better than you would get at bona fide elite private institution? Why don't more high-achieving, upper-percentile white parents with a reasonable chance of having brainy children save on the sticker price and property taxes for their house, buying into one of those trendy "diverse" neighbourhoods that millennials supposedly like anyway, and just fork out the difference paying for private education? America's embarrassment of riches when it comes to higher education (and it really is, in spite of SJW shenanigans) is largely thanks to a breadth and depth of private options unmatched anywhere else on Earth, although the US model is quietly emulated in East Asia and Latin America. Everywhere else, a monolithic state sector is completely dominant (I can't wait to see how well that works out when it comes to absorbing the migrants flooding into France and Germany). So why don't Americans demand more institutional diversity when it comes to primary and secondary education? Wealthy private schools can also afford to take on and subsidize a few more poor black students (just as heavily-endowed private colleges can easily afford to completely subsidize a few affirmative action students), but with relatively little danger of the process getting out of control. We don't need quotas for white people, we need a cultural shift where white people become more comfortable abandoning public education and more invested in paying directly for private schooling for their children. The end result, ideally, would be less neighbourhood segregation, the rapid growth of a non-profit market capable of better subsidizing outliers from disadvantaged communities, and fewer real barriers to imposing strict discipline on the remedial public remainder.

    Well, our excellent public school district in a wealthy northeastern suburb offers four years of Latin and three years of Classical Greek, employs several Ph.D.’s (and not in “education”), a guy who had graduated from Harvard and who worked in a high position on one of the presidential campaign teaching social studies, foreign exchange programs to China (the school also offers Mandarin), Europe and Africa, and sends dozens of kids into the Ivies every year. I can’t imagine a typical private school being better. For a parent, it’s certainly worth the property tax which is probably recouped in property value.

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    Luckily I can get all those things from Christian private schools at a fraction of the cost and a third of the property tax hit.
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  94. A blogger does a nice job looking at the effects on black student achievement and white student achievement as a school increases its non-white percentages:

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/diversity.htm

    If you accept his conclusions, anyone who has white kids in a mostly white school should put hot lead into the cranium of anyone who tries to import more minority kids into the school.

    What the hell is wrong with people? Who is so insane that they deem their children (or other people’s children) lab rats or machine cogs to be USED as a means to elevate the performance of other children?

    If someone told you that your child’s abilities would be intentionally redistributed to another child, would you not rip that person’s heart out of their chest and cram it down their throat?

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  95. countenance says: • Website

    The last two blockquotes are totally wrong.

    More school “integration” (either by means of forced busing, forced consolidation of districts, or the by-any-other-means way that seems to be a religion today, AFFH), would mean that more and more districts would have more and more NAMs, thereby reducing the number of “good” (read: NAM-less) districts, making competition for housing in NAM-less districts even more competitive and cut throat, thereby making housing in those districts even more expensive.

    It seems like every article these days is written with the presumption that shoveling NAMs out of cities is a utopia-inducing silver bullet. I wonder why, unless I don’t have to wonder.

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    If people truly understood the goal of all this they'd literally take up arms.

    I may be a bit of an atavist; I'd gladly see the heads of those pushing this policy decorating the tops of spears placed at congested intersections.
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  96. artichoke says:
    @Alice
    You haven't seen the education in private schools.

    It's the same garbage as in public schools already. No phonics instruction, just whole language. No grammar instruction, just journaling with your own spelling errors and grammatical errors left uncorrected, practiced until permanent. The math is constructivist garbage. The science is SjW leftist ecoterrorist nonsense. The history and literature are just SJW/white guilt 100% of the time.

    Abolishing those schools won't improve the public ones. The public ones have already wrecked the private ones.

    It’s what the budding communists in schools of education are told students must “know and be able to do.” It’s what the accreditors look for — and private schools surely have to toe the line even more than public ones with the accreditors.

    Homeschooling thru 5th grade seems the best option now. Then pop back to the public schools once you’re past the combination of mind control and babysitting from teachers who are not good at any subject, that is elementary school.

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    Middle school is a disaster. You can't put them in then. Middle schools can't find competent math teachers even capable of doing fractions and decimals, let alone teaching it. No middle school teacher knows grammar. And the SJW communism is very heavy in middle school.
    Homeschooling through middle school and maybe beyond using college courses and online programs, I think, is the only option.
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  97. A racial quota based on “maximums” instead of “minimums” is an excellent ground/figure shift. Worth injecting into other debates, as well.

    However, in this case, district spending simply does not correlate with student success. The blogger Random C. Analysis just wrote a giant post about this (among other education issues). The people, not the spending, matter most when it comes to school districts, which I suppose is what this guy’s research is getting at, with the income aspect just a bit of squid ink.

    For a local comparison, wealthy Orange County spends far less per pupil than anywhere in LAUSD, including South L.A. schools. The school district I grew up in (Chino Unified) spends less than Orange County and far less than LAUSD, yet it was and remains a solid middle class district with decent sports boosting (I went to high school with Diana Taurasi and former Nationals closer Chad Cordero).

    National district per-pupil spending map.

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    I should look at how much is spent per pupil in the Arcadia school district that the Chinese millionaires targeted to take over. I don't think it was all that much by the standards of high cost of living SoCal.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Seth, Two of the most dysfunctional school districts in the country, Buffalo and Rochester, are ranked in the top five for spending per pupil for districts with 30000 or more students. They spend more than $25,000 per pupil, graduate less than 50%, average double digit absenteeism and are majority minority.
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  98. Bill says:
    @Name Withheld
    "Nationally, of course, the massive problem is that we’re running out of white kids to use to uplift NAM kids."

    From the perspective of 2016, it seems almost bizarre that liberals in the 1970's thought the solution to black kids problems were to be educated in working class white areas (school busing et al).

    They haven’t stopped thinking this. They have stopped doing it, though.

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  99. @Almost Missouri

    "Nationally, of course, the massive problem is that we’re running out of white kids to use to uplift NAM kids"
     
    Wasn't there an iSteve post recently to the effect that the "uplift" theory doesn't really work anyway? So even if we weren't running out of white kids to do the putative "uplift", the whole musical-chairs-with-schools program is a waste of lives and resources from the get-go.

    Wasn’t there an iSteve post recently to the effect that the “uplift” theory doesn’t really work anyway?

    From: http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/diversity.htm

    Figure 1 shows a scatterplot of eighth-grade math pass rates at the satisfactory level vs. black class percentage. Each point contains data from a single school. The extent of scatter, caused by failure to control for SES, is conspicuous. Yet, discernible through the noise, is a downward drift in performance with increasing black classroom presence. Both black and white rates decline as classrooms become blacker. Putting it more positively, students of both races achieve more in whiter classes.

    How does achievement in the classroom relate to SES and racial mix? Regression supplies the answer. We fit pass rates to a linear model, using black eighth-grade percentage and average neighborhood home value as independent variables. The results are summarized in Table 2. Four choices of dependent variable were used: black and white pass rates, each at the satisfactory and excellent levels of achievement. Pass rates were fit to the plane, y = a + b1x1 + b2x2 , where y is one of four pass rates, and x1 and x2 are eighth-grade black class percentage and average neighborhood home value, respectively.

    The numbers tell a simple story. Racial integration raises black performance and lowers white. At high levels of confidence, especially for whites, performance declines linearly with increasing black class percentage. At the satisfactory level of achievement, with SES held constant, an increment in black class percentage of 1 percent causes a 0.537 percent decrement in the white pass rate and a 0.237 percent decrement in the black. Performance for both races is lowered by increasing the number of classroom blacks. The effect on whites is more pronounced. Their pass rates decline at twice the rate of blacks. At the excellent level, white pass rates are reduced by a 0.290 percent decrement for each 1 percent increment in black-student percentage. At this level, black performance is extremely poor and is essentially unaffected by the racial mix of a classroom or the SES of its students.

    SES and racial mix exert about equal influences on achievement. Holding racial composition constant, each increment of 1 percent in average neighborhood home value advances white satisfactory-level achievement by a 0.507 percent increment and by a 0.345 percent increment at the excellent level. For the same increment in home value, blacks improve by a 0.307 percent increment at the satisfactory level of achievement. The graphs of Figure 4 tell the story with miserly simplicity.

    The bottom line: Pushing more NAM’s into your white kid’s school systematically sacrifices your child on the altar of uplifting others. Where is the Aztec temple for human sacrifice?

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    "systematically sacrifices your child on the altar of uplifting others"

    Except it doesn't even uplift others.

    Thanks. LaGriffeDuLion is even more precise than I recall.
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  100. @countenance
    The last two blockquotes are totally wrong.

    More school "integration" (either by means of forced busing, forced consolidation of districts, or the by-any-other-means way that seems to be a religion today, AFFH), would mean that more and more districts would have more and more NAMs, thereby reducing the number of "good" (read: NAM-less) districts, making competition for housing in NAM-less districts even more competitive and cut throat, thereby making housing in those districts even more expensive.

    It seems like every article these days is written with the presumption that shoveling NAMs out of cities is a utopia-inducing silver bullet. I wonder why, unless I don't have to wonder.

    If people truly understood the goal of all this they’d literally take up arms.

    I may be a bit of an atavist; I’d gladly see the heads of those pushing this policy decorating the tops of spears placed at congested intersections.

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  101. artichoke says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    I really have no idea what a public K-through-12 education looks like at a really good public school district in the United States, but what with federal interference, tenured teachers, and PTA entitlement, could it possibly be better than you would get at bona fide elite private institution?
     
    Well, I know that the public schools in the wealthy Boston suburbs (Brookline, Newton, Wellesley, Weston, etc.) are probably equal to or better than most private schools. When your kids are in a local public school you are more organically connected with your community, a value conservatives should appreciate. In the Boston suburbs you also recoup the school expense in the increasing value of your home equity, at least theoretically.

    The advantage of private schools is mostly for ambitious parents - better networking opportunities with like-minded ambitious people. Unless we are talking about a top elite school like Phillips Exeter which is probably one of the best schools in the world, and worth the money.

    Look at the college admission stats of those top private schools and you’ll see a depressing picture. They are not a pathway to the Ivy League.

    Here are the placement stats from Phillips Andover Academy. Andover is generally considered to be even more selective than Phillips Exeter.

    https://www.andover.edu/Academics/CollegeCounseling/Documents/PhillipsAcademySchoolProfile2015-2016.pdf

    and if you look at the admission stats, considering that this student body is already highly screened, you see that it’s very very tough to get from there to the Ivy League.

    Private school teachers often have the same qualifications as those in public school, but without the union protections, pension etc. Where do you think the most desirable teachers would prefer to work?

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    Look at the college admission stats of those top private schools and you’ll see a depressing picture. They are not a pathway to the Ivy League.
     
    So what? The Ivy League is just a self described sub-section of US elite colleges, and not necessarily the best. CalTech, MIT and Stanford are not Ivy League. A University of Chicago degree is generally a better indicator of academic prowess than a Brown degree. Boston College is not Ivy League, but Boston area law firms and finance firms are full of BC degree holders making 6 or 7 figure salaries. Wesleyan, Williams, Amherst, Bowdoin and Swarthmore degrees are every bit as elite as Dartmouth, U Penn or Columbia degrees. Do Andover grads do better than Newton North high school grads? Maybe not, but why is that depressing?
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  102. Bill says:
    @Alice
    You haven't seen the education in private schools.

    It's the same garbage as in public schools already. No phonics instruction, just whole language. No grammar instruction, just journaling with your own spelling errors and grammatical errors left uncorrected, practiced until permanent. The math is constructivist garbage. The science is SjW leftist ecoterrorist nonsense. The history and literature are just SJW/white guilt 100% of the time.

    Abolishing those schools won't improve the public ones. The public ones have already wrecked the private ones.

    At one point, I was thinking of sending my kids to the local Catholic school instead of to the local suburban private school. I went to their website, to the part for prospective students. One of the first things I read was that all their teachers were certified to teach—that is that they had all gotten Ed School credentials of one kind or another and had passed the state test to be certified. This, evidently, they thought was a selling point.

    I couldn’t believe my eyes. From my POV, the primary purpose of sending my kids there was to avoid having certified teachers—both the public and Catholic school were super-majority middle class white, so it wasn’t to escape diversity that I was looking. The principal had a doctorate in education! As far as I could tell, the only real diffrences vis a vis public school were that there was a religious ed class during school (taught by a Nice White Lady) and that the students and faculty went to Mass together a couple of times a year. Absurd.

    The parents I talked to were sending their children there either because they had had some kind of problem in public school or, more commonly, for relatively inchoate reasons of tribe or family tradition.

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    Yes, the once wide-spread Catholic school system has gone "south", especially the parish-level schools. Here is the reason:

    When women stopped becoming nuns who became teachers, the parish-level Catholic schools had to either increase tuition to unaffordable levels or hire substandard or barely qualified teachers. The budgets dictated this. This was the "death spiral" that eventually led to the closing of the Catholic high school in my home town. Before women stopped becoming nuns, any child whose family was registered as Catholic could attend the local Catholic grade school and high school and receive an excellent education. The families were invoiced for full tuition but they only had to pay what they could afford. Some children attended for free, i.e. the Native American boy who lived in a converted gas station at the edge of town.

    The only advantage in parish-level Catholic schools today is the ability to push back against multiculturalism and expel troublemakers. The exclusive Catholic schools or those in communities where families can afford up to $15,000/year per student for tuition continue as exceptions offering exceptional educations.

    Let's not forget why the wide-spread Catholic school system was set up in the first place. One of the objectives of "free" public education in the Progressive Era was to turn immigrant Irish and Italian Catholics into good Americans and Protestants. Hence, in its heyday when I attended Catholic schools, the Catholics went to Catholic schools to protect their religion and culture, leaving the public schools by default as taxpayer-funded Protestant schools. As context, only Protestant ministers were invited to give invocations at the public schools and the public high school choir took turns singing at local Protestant churches on Sunday. It was so natural that no one complained.

    My, how much things can change in one lifetime!

    , @Alice
    Bill,
    What state are you in?

    The rot in Catholic schools is everywhere. Since there are no convents full of sisters with vows of poverty as staff members and there are no longer solvent parishes, the premise of Catholic schools can't work. (To wit: the state spends 18k per student per year in St. Paul, 22k in mpls, but somehow, a Catholic school is going to make it on 3k a year? What costs are actually lower? Not staff health insurance, not liability, not lawyer fees. Even paying teachers only ee% of public school teachers won't reduce costs enough.)

    But, they don't even notice they offer Exactly The Same Product but charge for it. The cycle goes like this: there are no longer orders of brothers and sisters devoted to education, so there is no one to run these schools. The only "experienced" staff available are from the public schools. Parish boards are risk averse and defer to the "experts", who then hire more and more public schools folks who enforce more and more public school mandates, be it background checks for volunteers or no more cupcakes for birthdays or idiotic Reader's and writer's workshop curricula. The more mandates, the more the non-public school folks quit or retire. The more they are replaced with young (cheap) staff raised on ed school.

    Meanwhile, the parish school has too few parish kids to stay open, so it brings in more and more non Catholics, including weaker and weaker Catholics, so the basic commitment to Catholic ed is no longer wanted by the families present. They like how "modern" the education is. The board understands even less its role, etc.

    But sometimes, it's forced upon the schools by even more idiotic diocesan superintendents.

    Here in MN, the main (totally dysfunctional) archdiocese of St. Paul-Mpls got punked. Before the 50 pairs of shoes hit the ground leading to their current bankruptcy, the archd and its schools were already insolvent. Looking to salvage their schools, the archd tried to make a deal with state legislators. The deal, first discussed under R majorities in both legislative houses, was to allow Catholic schools to accept vouchers. Then the Dems came to power. They told the Archdiocese they'd let them accept vouchers if first the archd agreed that all new hires would be state licensed.

    The Archdiocese agreed. Magically the vouchers never materialized. But every parish principal needs a principal license! And every Catholic school teacher comes through ed school and state licensure!

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  103. George says:

    In eye of Sauron news, DeMoines Register gets the hat trick: Ferguson+KKK+Section 8

    Will Dubuque be the Ferguson of Iowa?

    In 1863, despite the Emancipation Proclamation, a steamboat carrying freed slaves was prevented entry to the city’s harbor.

    http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/abetteriowa/2015/09/25/dubuque-ferguson-racial-discrimination/72706240/

    Obama’s last act is to force suburbs to be less white and less wealthy

    http://nypost.com/2016/05/08/obamas-last-act-is-to-force-suburbs-to-be-less-white-and-less-wealthy/

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    According to the NYPost column, Dallas already is the Mogadishu of Texas.
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  104. As an epilogue, I really do think that this issue is completely intractable within the current legal and cultural regime, but thankfully that regime is changing. Such is the hope of a Trump presidency.

    The whole question of “How can we improve the performance of black/minority students?” is already a Gramscian ploy. The desideratum itself is meaningless, since enhanced student performance (of any color whatever) is not the sort of thing you can just manufacture with policy changes. At any rate, it is nobody else’s responsibility beyond the students themselves and their parents. The kind of social policies that result from the misguided attempts to address this pseudo-problem at the societal level are always and necessarily draconian (e.g. bussing or any type of forced integration). Writing such nonsense into the law simply opens the door for shakedown artists and rentseekers to game the system.

    The ultimate answer is to eliminate the DOE and to declare Affirmative Action a dead letter. When we cease making vast sums of money available for racial racketeering schemes, social classes will resegregate and the matter will sort itself out.

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    The ultimate answer is to eliminate the DOE and to declare Affirmative Action a dead letter. When we cease making vast sums of money available for racial racketeering schemes, social classes will resegregate and the matter will sort itself out.
     
    very well said
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  105. jill says:

    Typical Manhattan upper West liberals…they push affirmative action, diversity, multiculturalism, open borders, and on and on..but don’t dare dump on them:

    “It is as though the neighborhood were divided by an invisible wall.

    On one side, children attend a public elementary school where test scores are high, the students are mostly white and well off, and the parent-teacher organization can raise $800,000 a year to pay for things like a resident chef.

    On the other side, children attend a public elementary school where 87 percent of the students are black or Hispanic and 84 percent receive some form of public assistance. Just over a tenth pass the state reading and math tests. There is no library or art teacher.

    The first school, Public School 199 on West 70th Street in Manhattan, is also seriously overcrowded, with a waiting list of nearly 100 children for kindergarten in recent years. The second, P.S. 191 on West 61st, has many empty seats.

    Now, to address the overcrowding at P.S. 199, the New York City Education Department is proposing to redraw the line, transferring to P.S. 191 several blocks of apartment buildings where children are currently zoned for P.S. 199. The change would be controversial under any circumstances, but it is particularly so because the state this year put P.S. 191 on its list of “persistently dangerous” schools.

    At heated public hearings, some parents on the Upper West Side have said they will move if they are rezoned to what they see as a failing school. Many have expressed resentment that some new buildings under construction would be zoned for P.S. 199 while their own buildings would be cast out. At a public meeting this month, when P.S. 191’s principal tried to speak about how she was addressing her school’s problems, she was shouted at.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/28/nyregion/manhattan-rezoning-fight-involves-a-school-called-persistently-dangerous.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=1

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  106. artichoke says:
    @Truth
    Yeah, quotas would be good. We want to keep a few of you people IN the good schools.

    http://wordondastreet.com/8th-grader-kory-terrell-is-texas-new-spelling-bee-champion/

    Igbo? WHAT IGBO????

    Congratulations to Kory of course, but that’s OK. I am willing to allow his school to remain all-black if it is now. It’s only fair.

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  107. @anony-mouse
    Wouldn't it be great to find a source for areas with good schools, low crime and low real estate costs?

    Thanks to the GOP primaries we may have found such a source: Counties with lots of Cruz votes over Trump.

    Lots of Cruz votes = Republican

    Over Trump = fewer bankrupt people, solider families, fewer people with emotional, drug and financial problems.

    Mostly in Idaho, Utah, Texas, Maine, Oklahoma, Alaska, Wisconsin, Wyoming, Iowa.

    But you may have to omit Alabama and Pennsylvania entirely.

    I may never have to mention ND again as a place to move to.

    Thanks to the GOP primaries we may have found such a source: Counties with lots of Cruz votes over Trump.

    Yawn. Ever heard of the difference between cause and effect?

    Yes Cruz voters are probably generally folks who live in good circumstances–who are either comfortably “above the fray” or whose localities have not yet been blessed with diversity. Trump voters are people who realize Trump’s proposed policies are what’s necessary to keep us all from sliding into the diversity dystopia. And that–*foresight*–is a better political quality than “i’m doing ok … what are you complaining about”.

    I’m doing “ok”. I got my kids through the LWSD (Redmond, Kirkland) with it’s “good schools”, where indeed they had (mostly) ok to a few excellent teachers and a great circle of friends and classmates. And in a month my last two graduate together from UW.

    But I want the nation they inherit to not be a complete pile of shit. (It’s already way too late for it to be anything like the nation I was born into.) So I vote Trump. It’s called caring about the future. Not pulling up the ladder behind you.

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  108. Bill says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    I'm glad to see that sociology has caught up with what my instincts have always told me, viz. that a middle-class upbringing in a decent neighborhood results in a quantum leap forward when it comes to the child's opportunities for socioeconomic advancement. To grow up without those opportunities can sometimes be a virtual death sentence for one's hopes and dreams.

    I spent many years and a great deal of effort trying to get myself the hell out of poverty. I grew up in a dusty trailer park that hailed from the T.J. Hooker era---a sort of grease trap for burned out hippies, coke heads, and bikers even back when the neighborhood was mostly white. My parents were two severely dysfunctional and abusive alcoholics and my dad, additionally, was a bona fide sociopath. All the kids from the neighborhood (my friends growing up) were ballers, major or minor criminals, or just Beavis-and-Butthead-type dropouts. Not a few of them today are either in jail, in the state mental hospital, or dead.

    I was exposed to another world in school because I was always "gifted." Books had always been my only refuge from my miserable family life, so I read a lot growing up. I was sort of like a real-life Good Will Hunting. But when I got to high school, when hormones and status hierarchies begin to play a big role in the adolescent's burgeoning identity, I noticed how different I was from the other preppy kids I was in the AP classes with. The social gulf between us was immense and, from my perspective, unbridgeable. Consequently it was something I thought a great deal about, even from a young age. I realized early on that the experiences they'd had, compared to the ones I'd had, had conditioned them for a very different sort of life than the life I knew. Even though I had the raw intelligence necessary to compete at the highest levels, I certainly did not have any of the other prerequisites, e.g. the social skills, the networks, the knowledge base, or the money. There was no one around me to whom I could reach out to for help with these things. My own life was an abyss of ignorance, drugs, and absent parenting that I had to grope my way out of on my own.

    I won't go into the intervening biographical details, but today I live in a decent house in the suburbs, and I have a secure but not particularly lucrative fed.gov job. I like to surround myself with as much refinement as I can afford: nice clothes, luxury-brand automobiles, musical instruments that I collect and have taught myself (sort of) to play. It's a bit too late for me to fully absorb these things into my personality, but I'm doing it for the next generation. If I have kids someday, I want them to grow up in the "normal world." I don't want them to know what I know.

    I’ve lived in and near quite a few high quality school districts in suburbia. Most of them had trailer parks and/or neighborhoods with old, small, run down housing. So, these stories about how unpossible it is for working class people to live in good school districts seem, at least, incomplete to me. Maybe the stories are really only about a few metros?

    I went to school in suburbia, and some of my classmates’ parents worked in factories. Many of my classmates’ parents were tradesmen. The school district I was in was eventually destroyed by a federal desegregation order, but even before that I rubbed shoulders with lots of kids whose parents earned less than the median income.

    My kids go to school with trailer people, and they get along reasonably well with a minority of them. The rest they mostly don’t see. And I carefully chose to live in a very white, high average income, high-achieving exurban school district.

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    And I carefully chose to live in a very white, high average income, high-achieving exurban school district.
     
    YOU RACIST!!!!

    (Picture here Donald Sutherland's character pointing and shrieking in the final scene of Invasion of the Body Snatchers https://youtu.be/lUXHB5U-Vl4 )

    In reality, I look forward to when people willingly accept this label, grab their accuser by their lapels and ask them, with violence barely restrained, to explain why the welfare of THEIR children is superseded by the welfare of others?
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  109. NickG says:
    @SFG
    You've got a problem I don't see how to fix. Whatever neighborhood takes the poor blacks (and whites, for that matter) is going to suffer. I suppose it might be possible to spread them around to the point where they don't exist anywhere in enough numbers to really drag things down, but that would require a level of government coordination that just can't be done in a republic.

    And they'd be at the bottom of every class.

    Besides, we can't all have 'good schools', like we can't all go to Harvard.

    but that would require a level of government coordination that just can’t be done in a republic.

    Singapore style policy, which controls the ethnic mix in residential areas and schools, is required but Singapore is not a liberal democracy. To borrow from Lee Kuan Yew – Multiculturalism or Liberal Democracy – pick one?

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    To borrow from Lee Kuan Yew – Multiculturalism or Liberal Democracy – pick one?
     
    To borrow from dc.sunsets--- Western Civilization's high-trust, low-crime, highly productive society or African/Aztec low-trust, high-crime, near-stone-age society..... PICK ONE.

    (And remember that the society a person prefers is coded in the nucleus of every cell of his body, and every kid he produces will have 50% of that...100% if the mother of his child shares the same long-term ancestry.)
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  110. jill says:

    NY City actively displacing white teachers

    http://www1.nyc.gov/site/ymi/teach/nyc-men-teach.page

    Whites can apply because:

    “NYC Men Teach does not discriminate based on race or gender. All programs and activities of the NYC Men Teach program are open to all eligible applicants, without regard to race, gender, national origin or other characteristic protected by law.”

    But we don’t want whites to apply. Less whites = Diversity

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    The program is guaranteed to fail. According to the Wall Street Journal: "The city loses 450 to 500 nonwhite male teachers a year, Mr. Garrett said, and hires about 350."

    Many male teachers quit because they are constantly called on to be disciplinarians. The city wants to hire 1,000 black, Hispanic, and Asian male teachers by 2017 but can't offer them any extra pay.
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  111. Integration is the only answer that occurs to our social visionaries? (Of course, it’s always Other People’s Kids who’ll be guinea pigs in these upper-middle-class white experiments. Remember Boston’s Judge Garrity?) Now we’re back again to the Magic Desk Theory. One of those hateful, whitey practices that might not be bad for non-whites: helicopter parenting. Get involved in lives of your children and quality of their education. You might not have to move. Your neighborhood may improve along with your schools, and may even move beyond being loud, violent monkey cages. There are a lot of other hateful, racist honky approaches that might improve lot of our Chronic Strugglers. But trying those would impede the revolution. …Or whatever.

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    Yes, yes, it is culturally insensitive to ask the 10 year old black kid to cease his non-stop moon-walking in the back of the room while instruction in long division is taking place for the rest of the class.

    (I kid you not, true story.)
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  112. AnAnon says:
    @Blue State Captive
    Won't work. Majority of U.S. public school students already in poverty (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/majority-of-us-public-school-students-are-in-poverty/2015/01/15/df7171d0-9ce9-11e4-a7ee-526210d665b4_story.html). There's too many to just spread around so they don't drag things down.

    signalers don’t care, and the left still lives in a world where America is 90% white.

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  113. @Anonymous
    Steve should own it and change his name to Steve Hitler. I bet site traffic would increase.

    But if Steve does so he must go whole hog – Steven A. Hitler. heh heh heh

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  114. AP says:
    @MJMD
    I really have no idea what a public K-through-12 education looks like at a really good public school district in the United States, but what with federal interference, tenured teachers, and PTA entitlement, could it possibly be better than you would get at bona fide elite private institution? Why don't more high-achieving, upper-percentile white parents with a reasonable chance of having brainy children save on the sticker price and property taxes for their house, buying into one of those trendy "diverse" neighbourhoods that millennials supposedly like anyway, and just fork out the difference paying for private education? America's embarrassment of riches when it comes to higher education (and it really is, in spite of SJW shenanigans) is largely thanks to a breadth and depth of private options unmatched anywhere else on Earth, although the US model is quietly emulated in East Asia and Latin America. Everywhere else, a monolithic state sector is completely dominant (I can't wait to see how well that works out when it comes to absorbing the migrants flooding into France and Germany). So why don't Americans demand more institutional diversity when it comes to primary and secondary education? Wealthy private schools can also afford to take on and subsidize a few more poor black students (just as heavily-endowed private colleges can easily afford to completely subsidize a few affirmative action students), but with relatively little danger of the process getting out of control. We don't need quotas for white people, we need a cultural shift where white people become more comfortable abandoning public education and more invested in paying directly for private schooling for their children. The end result, ideally, would be less neighbourhood segregation, the rapid growth of a non-profit market capable of better subsidizing outliers from disadvantaged communities, and fewer real barriers to imposing strict discipline on the remedial public remainder.

    Trying again due to moderation (and changed dozens into about a dozen):

    Well, our excellent public school district in a wealthy northeastern suburb offers four years of Latin and three years of Classical Greek, employs several Ph.D.’s (and not in “education”), a guy who had graduated from Harvard and who worked in a high position on one of the presidential campaign teaching social studies, foreign exchange programs to China (the school also offers Mandarin), Europe and Africa, and sends about a dozen kids into the Ivies every year. I can’t imagine a typical private school being better. For a parent, it’s certainly worth the property tax which is probably recouped in property value.

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  115. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:
    @UnlearnedElder
    This article is really a hoot

    Israel was founded as an ethno-state (though it is worth noting that a quarter of its citizens are not Jewish); the United States of America was not.
     
    How many nonwhite citizens did the US have when it was founded? Howard zinn went through great pains to make sure I understood this.

    “This article is really a hoot.”

    But it left out the infamous ‘let the good times roll’.

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  116. Thirdtwin says:

    “Blacks seem to do best in KIPP-style boot camp schools with strict discipline and back to basic fundamentals. But not a lot of highly educated whites want to send their 1.6 children to KIPP charters.”

    Public schools do black education differently. If this guy…

    http://www.ronclarkacademy.com/meet-the-team

    …is the big fad at your school, move. I did.

    Last year, my son had an English teacher who was known to jump up on the students’ work tables and teach from that vantage point. He did it to “command the attention and interest of his class”. Coincidentally, my son was doing poorly in that class. I had a talk with the Principal, and asked about the table-walking. That’s when I found out about the Ron Clark Cult. When I asked her if any female teachers at my son’s school walked the tables for attention, she looked stricken. She obviously hadn’t thought it through.

    But that was another time and place.

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  117. @George
    In eye of Sauron news, DeMoines Register gets the hat trick: Ferguson+KKK+Section 8

    Will Dubuque be the Ferguson of Iowa?

    In 1863, despite the Emancipation Proclamation, a steamboat carrying freed slaves was prevented entry to the city's harbor.

    http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/abetteriowa/2015/09/25/dubuque-ferguson-racial-discrimination/72706240/

    Obama’s last act is to force suburbs to be less white and less wealthy
    http://nypost.com/2016/05/08/obamas-last-act-is-to-force-suburbs-to-be-less-white-and-less-wealthy/

    According to the NYPost column, Dallas already is the Mogadishu of Texas.

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  118. @Bill
    I've lived in and near quite a few high quality school districts in suburbia. Most of them had trailer parks and/or neighborhoods with old, small, run down housing. So, these stories about how unpossible it is for working class people to live in good school districts seem, at least, incomplete to me. Maybe the stories are really only about a few metros?

    I went to school in suburbia, and some of my classmates' parents worked in factories. Many of my classmates' parents were tradesmen. The school district I was in was eventually destroyed by a federal desegregation order, but even before that I rubbed shoulders with lots of kids whose parents earned less than the median income.

    My kids go to school with trailer people, and they get along reasonably well with a minority of them. The rest they mostly don't see. And I carefully chose to live in a very white, high average income, high-achieving exurban school district.

    And I carefully chose to live in a very white, high average income, high-achieving exurban school district.

    YOU RACIST!!!!

    (Picture here Donald Sutherland’s character pointing and shrieking in the final scene of Invasion of the Body Snatchers https://youtu.be/lUXHB5U-Vl4 )

    In reality, I look forward to when people willingly accept this label, grab their accuser by their lapels and ask them, with violence barely restrained, to explain why the welfare of THEIR children is superseded by the welfare of others?

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  119. @San Fernando Curt
    Integration is the only answer that occurs to our social visionaries? (Of course, it's always Other People's Kids who'll be guinea pigs in these upper-middle-class white experiments. Remember Boston's Judge Garrity?) Now we're back again to the Magic Desk Theory. One of those hateful, whitey practices that might not be bad for non-whites: helicopter parenting. Get involved in lives of your children and quality of their education. You might not have to move. Your neighborhood may improve along with your schools, and may even move beyond being loud, violent monkey cages. There are a lot of other hateful, racist honky approaches that might improve lot of our Chronic Strugglers. But trying those would impede the revolution. ...Or whatever.

    Yes, yes, it is culturally insensitive to ask the 10 year old black kid to cease his non-stop moon-walking in the back of the room while instruction in long division is taking place for the rest of the class.

    (I kid you not, true story.)

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    Why try to learn something you'll never grasp, anyway? But... Why burden those willing to grasp difficult subjects with obnoxious, genuinely stupid distraction? Our future is being played away.
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  120. @Priss Factor
    Woof Woof

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/10/ann-coulter-s-anti-semitism-runs-deeper-than-you-know.html

    "one of the site’s regular bloggers, Steve Sailer, has suggested that Jews “use their influence over the media” to “demoralize and divide” other groups."

    SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITE!!!!!!

    LOL

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/2010/02/16/the-left-s-top-25-journalists.html#viewAll

    Roissy tweets that “Conservatively, I count (((16/25)))”

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    It's a little out of date but would probably not be much different now. It is striking that the traits that make one a "top journalist" on the left are not objectivity or experience, but rigid dogmatism. The article even chides one of the lower-placing winners for being less "dogmatic". They are not so much reporters as proselytic apostles of a fake religion. One might wish the 16/25 would go back to their ancestral real religion and leave off the pharisaicly misguided tikkun olam stuff.

    Few of these "top journalists" have ever held a real job. They just graduate from college directly into telling other people what to think. The #1 winner does have a sort of real job--he's a comedian. In fact, he still has this job. He's not a journalist at all, but journalist impersonating a comedian (his self-description).

    Also, homosexuals of various stripes seem massively overrepresented: perhaps a quarter, or about ten times their representation in the population at large. Have these people never heard of disparate impact?
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  121. @NickG

    but that would require a level of government coordination that just can’t be done in a republic.
     
    Singapore style policy, which controls the ethnic mix in residential areas and schools, is required but Singapore is not a liberal democracy. To borrow from Lee Kuan Yew - Multiculturalism or Liberal Democracy - pick one?

    To borrow from Lee Kuan Yew – Multiculturalism or Liberal Democracy – pick one?

    To borrow from dc.sunsets— Western Civilization’s high-trust, low-crime, highly productive society or African/Aztec low-trust, high-crime, near-stone-age society….. PICK ONE.

    (And remember that the society a person prefers is coded in the nucleus of every cell of his body, and every kid he produces will have 50% of that…100% if the mother of his child shares the same long-term ancestry.)

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  122. @artichoke
    Look at the college admission stats of those top private schools and you'll see a depressing picture. They are not a pathway to the Ivy League.

    Here are the placement stats from Phillips Andover Academy. Andover is generally considered to be even more selective than Phillips Exeter.
    https://www.andover.edu/Academics/CollegeCounseling/Documents/PhillipsAcademySchoolProfile2015-2016.pdf

    and if you look at the admission stats, considering that this student body is already highly screened, you see that it's very very tough to get from there to the Ivy League.

    Private school teachers often have the same qualifications as those in public school, but without the union protections, pension etc. Where do you think the most desirable teachers would prefer to work?

    Look at the college admission stats of those top private schools and you’ll see a depressing picture. They are not a pathway to the Ivy League.

    So what? The Ivy League is just a self described sub-section of US elite colleges, and not necessarily the best. CalTech, MIT and Stanford are not Ivy League. A University of Chicago degree is generally a better indicator of academic prowess than a Brown degree. Boston College is not Ivy League, but Boston area law firms and finance firms are full of BC degree holders making 6 or 7 figure salaries. Wesleyan, Williams, Amherst, Bowdoin and Swarthmore degrees are every bit as elite as Dartmouth, U Penn or Columbia degrees. Do Andover grads do better than Newton North high school grads? Maybe not, but why is that depressing?

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    If you want to run GE or get a Big Job in NYC on Wall Street or end up in a Big Law Firm, the Ivy might matter.

    If, however, you just want to live your life reasonably well and focus on family and what's close, the cheapest college offering the degree program that leads to your intended occupation is best.

    My three sons attended public schools K through 16 (bachelor's degrees in STEM fields.) Unremarkable U provided BS degree programs that led to summer internships, one Co-Op, and very good jobs where their aptitudes are well-used.

    They know peers who went to Prestigious U's who have no better (and often worse) occupational trajectories combined with CRUSHING, life-altering debt.

    I blame this on poor mathematics instruction. Only people who CAN'T DO THE MATH drop $160,000-200,000 or more on getting degrees leading to occupations that don't have pay-back periods measured in less than 5-8 years. There are extremely few such occupations and very few young people can reliably expect to join them.

    Total cost of ed = opportunity cost (est. $20k/yr) + TR&B of a Prestigious U (est. $50k/yr) or $70k/year multiplied by ave. 5 years (nowadays) is $350,000 total cost, amortized over the marginal increased income of that Prestigious U degree over the NoName U degree minus the total cost of the NoName degree.

    I figure $350k-$160k= $190k (plus interest on loans) paid off with the (generous est.) $10k increment of having Prestigous U degree over NoName U degree.

    Probably a 2o year amortization, unless the increment of Prestigious U over NoName U is much, much larger. Unless one goes into Ivy Law or Ivy MBA, this seems dubious and is probably reserved for only students with IQ's >140 or 150, i.e., 1 in 200 to 1 in >1000 persons.

     

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  123. @Dirk Dagger
    You are all such cynics here, peer-reviewed studies show that nice white-lady teachers like this will turn the tide.

    You are all such cynics here, peer-reviewed studies show that nice white-lady teachers like this will turn the tide.

    Funny article. The author’s assertion that “many of our students are what most Americans would define as starving” is pretty jaw-dropping given obesity rates among 2- to 4-year-olds from low-income families in Minnesota (see http://stateofobesity.org/states/mn/) I guess starving ain’t what it used to be.

    Also, I love when grade school teachers refer to themselves as “educators”. Really makes it sound grand, don’t you think?

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    obesity rates among 2- to 4-year-olds from low-income families in Minnesota...
     
    I see the occasional fat white or even Asian kid, but almost never an African one. This preschool obesity must be concentrated in the Hispanic and black American population.

    The Asians and Africans hold on to their own cuisines, which tend not to bloat one. Latins, in contrast, pick up the very worst of our dollar-store diet. Whites are somewhere in the middle, and with them it depends a lot on social (not economic) class.
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  124. @Peter Akuleyev

    Look at the college admission stats of those top private schools and you’ll see a depressing picture. They are not a pathway to the Ivy League.
     
    So what? The Ivy League is just a self described sub-section of US elite colleges, and not necessarily the best. CalTech, MIT and Stanford are not Ivy League. A University of Chicago degree is generally a better indicator of academic prowess than a Brown degree. Boston College is not Ivy League, but Boston area law firms and finance firms are full of BC degree holders making 6 or 7 figure salaries. Wesleyan, Williams, Amherst, Bowdoin and Swarthmore degrees are every bit as elite as Dartmouth, U Penn or Columbia degrees. Do Andover grads do better than Newton North high school grads? Maybe not, but why is that depressing?

    If you want to run GE or get a Big Job in NYC on Wall Street or end up in a Big Law Firm, the Ivy might matter.

    If, however, you just want to live your life reasonably well and focus on family and what’s close, the cheapest college offering the degree program that leads to your intended occupation is best.

    My three sons attended public schools K through 16 (bachelor’s degrees in STEM fields.) Unremarkable U provided BS degree programs that led to summer internships, one Co-Op, and very good jobs where their aptitudes are well-used.

    They know peers who went to Prestigious U’s who have no better (and often worse) occupational trajectories combined with CRUSHING, life-altering debt.

    I blame this on poor mathematics instruction. Only people who CAN’T DO THE MATH drop $160,000-200,000 or more on getting degrees leading to occupations that don’t have pay-back periods measured in less than 5-8 years. There are extremely few such occupations and very few young people can reliably expect to join them.

    Total cost of ed = opportunity cost (est. $20k/yr) + TR&B of a Prestigious U (est. $50k/yr) or $70k/year multiplied by ave. 5 years (nowadays) is $350,000 total cost, amortized over the marginal increased income of that Prestigious U degree over the NoName U degree minus the total cost of the NoName degree.

    I figure $350k-$160k= $190k (plus interest on loans) paid off with the (generous est.) $10k increment of having Prestigous U degree over NoName U degree.

    Probably a 2o year amortization, unless the increment of Prestigious U over NoName U is much, much larger. Unless one goes into Ivy Law or Ivy MBA, this seems dubious and is probably reserved for only students with IQ’s >140 or 150, i.e., 1 in 200 to 1 in >1000 persons.

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  125. @artichoke
    These children's parents live in an area of bad schools. It's clear that schools should meet minimum standards, and maybe these schools don't. But it's not discrimination just because the black school is worse than the white one. What if the white one were worse? (Of course that never happens -- which really shows the problem is not discrimination but the students and families in the district.) The Milliken case basically says that things have to be equalized within districts, but not across districts. That is the law of the land and it supersedes Brown v. Board of Education (but the typical indoctrination leaves that out.)

    This has nothing to do with academics. The schools are dangerous. Kindergartens are sexually violating other students. Both teachers and students are getting injured and leaving the school in an ambulance. The bullied children are suicidal. The schools require teacher’s aides, security personnel, social workers, and counselors. Teachers need training on how to manage disruptive students.

    The school board agreed to provide extra funding/services to the poor schools when busing ended, but that never happened. Even now the solution from the Pinellas County School Board is to pay teachers an extra $25,000/yr, which of course won’t stop the violence.

    The thing that both liberals and conservatives agree on is that white middle-class parents make a public school run efficiently. Once they leave chaos erupts.

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  126. TB2 says:

    That’s perhaps because the childless rich — including so-called DINKs . . .

    I’m shocked at the Post’s language, they PREFER to be called Asians.

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  127. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I understand this problem – my daughter just moved to get her children into a better school district.

    There are 2 problems here, and one can be fixed easily. The biggest problem with bad schools is the parents and students, and that is a hard problem.

    The easy problem is the resource differential between high and low income school districts. This is an easy problem – equalize spending per student in every district in the State, as most countries do. It is just a historical accident that school funding comes from local property taxes.

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    "It is just a historical accident that school funding comes from local property taxes."
     
    By "historical accident", you mean that the Constitution reserves education to the States? And rightly so. Everything the federal DoE touches it destroys.

    Even if it didn't require an (unwise) Constitutional amendment, spending equalization would cause immediate implosion in every urban black public school, as they are typically above-average funded.
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  128. @Blue State Captive
    Won't work. Majority of U.S. public school students already in poverty (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/majority-of-us-public-school-students-are-in-poverty/2015/01/15/df7171d0-9ce9-11e4-a7ee-526210d665b4_story.html). There's too many to just spread around so they don't drag things down.

    Blue, one of the worst examples of adding white kids to a school district was a federal Judges attempt to improve Kansas City schools. His efforts failed because the white parents saw that even though the KC schools were now all brand new and featured every possible amenity, they still were majority black and dysfunctional. I don’t know how to link an article, but a Google search of Federal Judge takes over KC Schools will really enlighten everyone here .

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    they still were majority black and dysfunctional.
     
    they were majority African and mirrored conditions in Africa.

    (I think I fixed it for you.)

    Low-trust societies do not rub up against high-trust societies without bad abrasion.

    If the arithmetic mean IQ of Americans who identify as black is 86, it means that in most interactions between groups of blacks and whites the blacks will often feel like they're on the outside of a very big inside joke.

    This is amplified by Affirmative Action, which puts barely qualified blacks into an environment made even MORE selective for the whites and East Asians who get in. At every level, we see that grouping people by anything other than merit+culture produces anger and resentment. The KC school experiment was even worse: Blacks were told they had everything, so when the outcomes failed to change, the rage had to be vented on a scapegoat. Confronting race reality was then (and remains) blasphemy in the Cultists' Cathedral.

    Imagine a four-square box, x axis is intellectual merit, y axis is culture (black to white.) Two quadrants will be heavily populated, two will be very sparsely populated.

    Leftist, Equalist Cultists INSIST on forcing those two disparate quadrants shoulder-to-shoulder.

    Why this was ever considered a good idea escapes me. It's as though the MultiCulturalists couldn't actually tell the difference between multiple cultures.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    Yeah, and the judge forced KC to spend over a -billion- dollars to implement his vision of fairness.
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  129. @Truth
    Yeah, quotas would be good. We want to keep a few of you people IN the good schools.

    http://wordondastreet.com/8th-grader-kory-terrell-is-texas-new-spelling-bee-champion/

    Igbo? WHAT IGBO????

    1. Igbos aren’t noted for winning spelling bees or ice hockey championships so there was no point in mentioning them.

    2. Kory won the Texan Spelling Bee which was his middle school bee that was held in the Texan Room at his school. Davila Middle School is one of the worst in the state. Note that his win is only mentioned on blogs and not newspapers/television news.

    3. Kory lives in Bryan near Houston and didn’t win regionals. The two Houston regional spelling bee co-champions are both Indian. They will represent the region later this month at the Scripps National Spelling Bee in Washington, DC.

    http://davila.bryanisd.org/apps/events/2015/12/8/2462061/?id=0

    http://www.schooldigger.com/go/TX/schools/1179011155/school.aspx

    https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/2016/04/04/143674/houston-spelling-bee-has-two-new-co-champions/

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    lol about the Texan Spelling Bee, I thought that was a typo of Texas but nope! They can never win honestly.
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  130. Brutusale says:

    Ah, Boston College. The Irish-Catholic Oxford of the Boston Hibernians and the supplier of Triple Eagle (BC High, BC and BC Law) ambulance chasers and crooked state reps, Billy Bulger of the $300K state pension being an object example.

    FYI, Boston University’s law, medical and dental schools are ALL ranked higher than BC’s. Which, demographically, makes perfect sense.

    There’s Something Different, as brought to light recently during the Newton North/Catholic Memorial state tournament game, between the average Newton North student and those at Phillips Andover. Hint: Andover students in the 2015 class came from 48 countries, but the only two beginning with “I” were Indonesia and Italy.

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  131. @SPMoore8
    Adjustments for daycare, housing prices in good school districts, etc. surely end up eating up a lot of two earner income. But another thing that eats it up are private schools. My sister, for example, who made a good six figure income, paid tens of thousands every year to send her three children to private schools, because she -- who is a big lefty prog type -- didn't want her children to go to the public schools in the East Bay. No, she never has really processed the dissonance there.

    SPMoore, My son lives in a very nice house in a first ring suburb of Cleveland…..schools are starting to head down hill. He already has one daughter in a private, all girls Catholic academy and one ready to start next year…..at $10k each per year. A nearby town, Rocky River, has A-rated schools and great housing stock, and a decent tax rate. He is mulling a move because he wants the best for his children. He is the polar opposite of liberal.

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  132. @Name Withheld
    "Nationally, of course, the massive problem is that we’re running out of white kids to use to uplift NAM kids."

    From the perspective of 2016, it seems almost bizarre that liberals in the 1970's thought the solution to black kids problems were to be educated in working class white areas (school busing et al).

    Actually 40 years later the research came out proving that there is no benefit in educating black kids with low-income white kids. The current push for desegregation takes into account income. Of course there are even less white middle-income kids to go around.

    New York City is pushing for public schools to be 30 percent middle income (read white) and 70 percent dysfunctional. There won’t be any benefit to the kids, but theoretically the white parents would make sure the school is run efficiently and the white led PTA would raise money for the school.

    Asians have their own segregated schools in Queens, but they don’t play much in the desegregation talks because Asians are the poorest ethnic group in NYC.

    http://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2014/04/30/new-york-city-asians-poorer-hispanics/

    New York City public schools are roughly 15 percent white, 15 percent Asian, 30 percent black, and 40 percent Hispanic.

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  133. @Intelligent Dasein
    I'm glad to see that sociology has caught up with what my instincts have always told me, viz. that a middle-class upbringing in a decent neighborhood results in a quantum leap forward when it comes to the child's opportunities for socioeconomic advancement. To grow up without those opportunities can sometimes be a virtual death sentence for one's hopes and dreams.

    I spent many years and a great deal of effort trying to get myself the hell out of poverty. I grew up in a dusty trailer park that hailed from the T.J. Hooker era---a sort of grease trap for burned out hippies, coke heads, and bikers even back when the neighborhood was mostly white. My parents were two severely dysfunctional and abusive alcoholics and my dad, additionally, was a bona fide sociopath. All the kids from the neighborhood (my friends growing up) were ballers, major or minor criminals, or just Beavis-and-Butthead-type dropouts. Not a few of them today are either in jail, in the state mental hospital, or dead.

    I was exposed to another world in school because I was always "gifted." Books had always been my only refuge from my miserable family life, so I read a lot growing up. I was sort of like a real-life Good Will Hunting. But when I got to high school, when hormones and status hierarchies begin to play a big role in the adolescent's burgeoning identity, I noticed how different I was from the other preppy kids I was in the AP classes with. The social gulf between us was immense and, from my perspective, unbridgeable. Consequently it was something I thought a great deal about, even from a young age. I realized early on that the experiences they'd had, compared to the ones I'd had, had conditioned them for a very different sort of life than the life I knew. Even though I had the raw intelligence necessary to compete at the highest levels, I certainly did not have any of the other prerequisites, e.g. the social skills, the networks, the knowledge base, or the money. There was no one around me to whom I could reach out to for help with these things. My own life was an abyss of ignorance, drugs, and absent parenting that I had to grope my way out of on my own.

    I won't go into the intervening biographical details, but today I live in a decent house in the suburbs, and I have a secure but not particularly lucrative fed.gov job. I like to surround myself with as much refinement as I can afford: nice clothes, luxury-brand automobiles, musical instruments that I collect and have taught myself (sort of) to play. It's a bit too late for me to fully absorb these things into my personality, but I'm doing it for the next generation. If I have kids someday, I want them to grow up in the "normal world." I don't want them to know what I know.

    Inteeligent, I went to an all boys Catholic HS that was brand new. I did well and went to a small Jesuit college were I met the graduates of the local Jesuit Prep HS. They were from a different planet. They knew how to net work, how to inter act with the faculty and more importantly, how to study. They also came from a higher social stratus than my working class HS. They were already ahead of me and my fellow HS graduates.

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  134. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Even the most powerful Black man in the world Barack Hussein Obama has Black family members who live in poverty.
     
    And Obama likes them to live in poverty. It helps the narrative.

    NOT the “narrative” that:
    If I did it, so can all you.
    They hate that narrative.

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  135. Anon says: • Disclaimer
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    Pinellas County Schools abandoned integration efforts in 2007 and let the poor schools fend for themselves. Five elementary schools now have more incidences of violence than all 17 of the high schools combined.

    Although the Tampa Bay Times did an investigative series on current problems, the paper published several editorials in the 2007 in favor of ending planned integration.

    http://www.tampabay.com/projects/2015/investigations/pinellas-failure-factories/

    I have always felt you could do a lot in black schools if all you do is demand an hour of recess with very vigorous playing in mid-morning, followed by another hour of recess in mid-afternoon, also with lots of vigorous exercise. It’ll tire the hyper little bastards out and make them more docile in class. Until whites recognize that blacks are different and need to expend energy, they’ll never understand how to discipline blacks. The reduced time spent on classroom work won’t hurt blacks because they have a reduced capacity for learning and a lower IQ anyway. The amount you can cram into their heads won’t be any less than if they studied all day long.

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    Hmm ... in the majority black school I attended as a child, there were 20-30 minute recesses AM and PM, including "vigorous exercise", i.e., wildness reliably culminating in fistfights, which then had to be broken up by the teachers. And the school did quite well by majority-black standards. So ... maybe.
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  136. @utu
    "By 2010, income segregation was twice as high among families with children younger than 18 living at home as among households without them. That means that a typical childless household lives among more diverse neighbors from across the economic spectrum than does the typical family with children."

    This is not a wealth that is a main driver. It is the most selfish human instinct, a protection of one's children, that drives it. It is the maternal instinct. The same instinct that was responsible for the fate of American Indians in the US where settlers were families and the lack of it in the Spanish America where settlers were chiefly single males. The maternal instinct is genocidal.

    The maternal instinct is genocidal.

    I’m exposed to so many interesting ideas on this site. However, I know plenty of parents who are rank liberals. Is it just that they want to wipe out the children of conservatives?

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    Are those "rank liberals" in diverse neighborhoods/schools or majority white ones? If diverse, do they have plans to move/change?

    What liberals preach and what they do are unconnected. See the comments elsewhere on this this post referring to the NYC libs desperately dodging their school's rezoning to minority-majority.
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  137. Dee says:
    @SPMoore8
    Adjustments for daycare, housing prices in good school districts, etc. surely end up eating up a lot of two earner income. But another thing that eats it up are private schools. My sister, for example, who made a good six figure income, paid tens of thousands every year to send her three children to private schools, because she -- who is a big lefty prog type -- didn't want her children to go to the public schools in the East Bay. No, she never has really processed the dissonance there.

    My brother and his wife did the same. They bought a nice home in Birmingham, Michigan; probably in the top 10 for income in the whole state. They made above average wages, both worked, but they weren’t rich. So they sent the kids to the public schools thru 9th grade, these are highly rated schools, and then to Catholic high school. That was something like $20K for the two kids a year.

    They did this because they couldn’t afford the clothes, vacations, new German cars, that the wealthy could buy. They were afraid their kids would be looked down on; white trash so to speak.

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  138. @Buffalo Joe
    Blue, one of the worst examples of adding white kids to a school district was a federal Judges attempt to improve Kansas City schools. His efforts failed because the white parents saw that even though the KC schools were now all brand new and featured every possible amenity, they still were majority black and dysfunctional. I don't know how to link an article, but a Google search of Federal Judge takes over KC Schools will really enlighten everyone here .

    they still were majority black and dysfunctional.

    they were majority African and mirrored conditions in Africa.

    (I think I fixed it for you.)

    Low-trust societies do not rub up against high-trust societies without bad abrasion.

    If the arithmetic mean IQ of Americans who identify as black is 86, it means that in most interactions between groups of blacks and whites the blacks will often feel like they’re on the outside of a very big inside joke.

    This is amplified by Affirmative Action, which puts barely qualified blacks into an environment made even MORE selective for the whites and East Asians who get in. At every level, we see that grouping people by anything other than merit+culture produces anger and resentment. The KC school experiment was even worse: Blacks were told they had everything, so when the outcomes failed to change, the rage had to be vented on a scapegoat. Confronting race reality was then (and remains) blasphemy in the Cultists’ Cathedral.

    Imagine a four-square box, x axis is intellectual merit, y axis is culture (black to white.) Two quadrants will be heavily populated, two will be very sparsely populated.

    Leftist, Equalist Cultists INSIST on forcing those two disparate quadrants shoulder-to-shoulder.

    Why this was ever considered a good idea escapes me. It’s as though the MultiCulturalists couldn’t actually tell the difference between multiple cultures.

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    dc.sunsets said, "It’s as though the MultiCulturalists couldn’t actually tell the difference between multiple cultures."

    They truly believe humans are infinitely malleable and, besides things like skin color, are all pretty much the same. A belief which flies in the face of both reality and history. But it makes them feel good and, as many others have pointed out, they have arranged their lives so that they are relatively unaffected by the policies they espouse.
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  139. @Alice
    BTW there's no evidence that the SWPL progressive education in white upper class public schools and private schools works for those kids, either. What works is their genetic endowment. For some kids, it is enough to survive the crap, and then the top end of the well off parents test preps and tutors these kids into college anyway. But most upper class white kids can't add unlike denominator fractions in eighth grade. The same white kids in algebra can't properly distribute the 3 in 3(2x-5), either. No one is taught grammar. They are all historically illiterate. None have the most basic understanding of science. But they are great SjW Bernie Sanders voters!

    A friend’s son, a top student at a highly regarded local public HS, complained that in his history class he’s learned all about the holocaust and next to nothing about WWII. When my homeschooled son started talking about battles and strategies, the other kid was practically salivating. If it weren’t for board games like Risk and Axis and Allies I doubt anybody would learn any facts about the world wars.

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    I read a new 800 page AP History textbook a decade ago: zero mention of battle tactics in 800 pages to get boys interested.
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  140. @SFG
    You've got a problem I don't see how to fix. Whatever neighborhood takes the poor blacks (and whites, for that matter) is going to suffer. I suppose it might be possible to spread them around to the point where they don't exist anywhere in enough numbers to really drag things down, but that would require a level of government coordination that just can't be done in a republic.

    And they'd be at the bottom of every class.

    Besides, we can't all have 'good schools', like we can't all go to Harvard.

    What “level of coordination”? A simple law, “one black per block.” No more complicated than issuing bicycle licenses.

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  141. @Intelligent Dasein
    I'm glad to see that sociology has caught up with what my instincts have always told me, viz. that a middle-class upbringing in a decent neighborhood results in a quantum leap forward when it comes to the child's opportunities for socioeconomic advancement. To grow up without those opportunities can sometimes be a virtual death sentence for one's hopes and dreams.

    I spent many years and a great deal of effort trying to get myself the hell out of poverty. I grew up in a dusty trailer park that hailed from the T.J. Hooker era---a sort of grease trap for burned out hippies, coke heads, and bikers even back when the neighborhood was mostly white. My parents were two severely dysfunctional and abusive alcoholics and my dad, additionally, was a bona fide sociopath. All the kids from the neighborhood (my friends growing up) were ballers, major or minor criminals, or just Beavis-and-Butthead-type dropouts. Not a few of them today are either in jail, in the state mental hospital, or dead.

    I was exposed to another world in school because I was always "gifted." Books had always been my only refuge from my miserable family life, so I read a lot growing up. I was sort of like a real-life Good Will Hunting. But when I got to high school, when hormones and status hierarchies begin to play a big role in the adolescent's burgeoning identity, I noticed how different I was from the other preppy kids I was in the AP classes with. The social gulf between us was immense and, from my perspective, unbridgeable. Consequently it was something I thought a great deal about, even from a young age. I realized early on that the experiences they'd had, compared to the ones I'd had, had conditioned them for a very different sort of life than the life I knew. Even though I had the raw intelligence necessary to compete at the highest levels, I certainly did not have any of the other prerequisites, e.g. the social skills, the networks, the knowledge base, or the money. There was no one around me to whom I could reach out to for help with these things. My own life was an abyss of ignorance, drugs, and absent parenting that I had to grope my way out of on my own.

    I won't go into the intervening biographical details, but today I live in a decent house in the suburbs, and I have a secure but not particularly lucrative fed.gov job. I like to surround myself with as much refinement as I can afford: nice clothes, luxury-brand automobiles, musical instruments that I collect and have taught myself (sort of) to play. It's a bit too late for me to fully absorb these things into my personality, but I'm doing it for the next generation. If I have kids someday, I want them to grow up in the "normal world." I don't want them to know what I know.

    “Even though I had the raw intelligence necessary to compete at the highest levels, I certainly did not have any of the other prerequisites, e.g. the social skills, the networks, the knowledge base, or the money. ”

    That’s how all the goyim feel.

    PS: very similar background, ID, except substitute “stupid enough to seem weird to the whole neighborhood” for “alcoholic.” Won’t try to compete on which is more scaring to the kids.

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  142. TheJester says:
    @Bill
    At one point, I was thinking of sending my kids to the local Catholic school instead of to the local suburban private school. I went to their website, to the part for prospective students. One of the first things I read was that all their teachers were certified to teach---that is that they had all gotten Ed School credentials of one kind or another and had passed the state test to be certified. This, evidently, they thought was a selling point.

    I couldn't believe my eyes. From my POV, the primary purpose of sending my kids there was to avoid having certified teachers---both the public and Catholic school were super-majority middle class white, so it wasn't to escape diversity that I was looking. The principal had a doctorate in education! As far as I could tell, the only real diffrences vis a vis public school were that there was a religious ed class during school (taught by a Nice White Lady) and that the students and faculty went to Mass together a couple of times a year. Absurd.

    The parents I talked to were sending their children there either because they had had some kind of problem in public school or, more commonly, for relatively inchoate reasons of tribe or family tradition.

    Yes, the once wide-spread Catholic school system has gone “south”, especially the parish-level schools. Here is the reason:

    When women stopped becoming nuns who became teachers, the parish-level Catholic schools had to either increase tuition to unaffordable levels or hire substandard or barely qualified teachers. The budgets dictated this. This was the “death spiral” that eventually led to the closing of the Catholic high school in my home town. Before women stopped becoming nuns, any child whose family was registered as Catholic could attend the local Catholic grade school and high school and receive an excellent education. The families were invoiced for full tuition but they only had to pay what they could afford. Some children attended for free, i.e. the Native American boy who lived in a converted gas station at the edge of town.

    The only advantage in parish-level Catholic schools today is the ability to push back against multiculturalism and expel troublemakers. The exclusive Catholic schools or those in communities where families can afford up to $15,000/year per student for tuition continue as exceptions offering exceptional educations.

    Let’s not forget why the wide-spread Catholic school system was set up in the first place. One of the objectives of “free” public education in the Progressive Era was to turn immigrant Irish and Italian Catholics into good Americans and Protestants. Hence, in its heyday when I attended Catholic schools, the Catholics went to Catholic schools to protect their religion and culture, leaving the public schools by default as taxpayer-funded Protestant schools. As context, only Protestant ministers were invited to give invocations at the public schools and the public high school choir took turns singing at local Protestant churches on Sunday. It was so natural that no one complained.

    My, how much things can change in one lifetime!

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    I recall that when I was in grade school we had to say the Protestant version of the Lord's Prayer instead of the Catholic version, with which I was familiar. And the Jewish kids--no one cared.
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  143. @Buffalo Joe
    Blue, one of the worst examples of adding white kids to a school district was a federal Judges attempt to improve Kansas City schools. His efforts failed because the white parents saw that even though the KC schools were now all brand new and featured every possible amenity, they still were majority black and dysfunctional. I don't know how to link an article, but a Google search of Federal Judge takes over KC Schools will really enlighten everyone here .

    Yeah, and the judge forced KC to spend over a -billion- dollars to implement his vision of fairness.

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  144. guest says:
    @SFG
    You've got a problem I don't see how to fix. Whatever neighborhood takes the poor blacks (and whites, for that matter) is going to suffer. I suppose it might be possible to spread them around to the point where they don't exist anywhere in enough numbers to really drag things down, but that would require a level of government coordination that just can't be done in a republic.

    And they'd be at the bottom of every class.

    Besides, we can't all have 'good schools', like we can't all go to Harvard.

    It’s not a real problem, though. Or not one a healthy civilization would worry about. Let them go where they will!

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  145. carol says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    I'm glad to see that sociology has caught up with what my instincts have always told me, viz. that a middle-class upbringing in a decent neighborhood results in a quantum leap forward when it comes to the child's opportunities for socioeconomic advancement. To grow up without those opportunities can sometimes be a virtual death sentence for one's hopes and dreams.

    I spent many years and a great deal of effort trying to get myself the hell out of poverty. I grew up in a dusty trailer park that hailed from the T.J. Hooker era---a sort of grease trap for burned out hippies, coke heads, and bikers even back when the neighborhood was mostly white. My parents were two severely dysfunctional and abusive alcoholics and my dad, additionally, was a bona fide sociopath. All the kids from the neighborhood (my friends growing up) were ballers, major or minor criminals, or just Beavis-and-Butthead-type dropouts. Not a few of them today are either in jail, in the state mental hospital, or dead.

    I was exposed to another world in school because I was always "gifted." Books had always been my only refuge from my miserable family life, so I read a lot growing up. I was sort of like a real-life Good Will Hunting. But when I got to high school, when hormones and status hierarchies begin to play a big role in the adolescent's burgeoning identity, I noticed how different I was from the other preppy kids I was in the AP classes with. The social gulf between us was immense and, from my perspective, unbridgeable. Consequently it was something I thought a great deal about, even from a young age. I realized early on that the experiences they'd had, compared to the ones I'd had, had conditioned them for a very different sort of life than the life I knew. Even though I had the raw intelligence necessary to compete at the highest levels, I certainly did not have any of the other prerequisites, e.g. the social skills, the networks, the knowledge base, or the money. There was no one around me to whom I could reach out to for help with these things. My own life was an abyss of ignorance, drugs, and absent parenting that I had to grope my way out of on my own.

    I won't go into the intervening biographical details, but today I live in a decent house in the suburbs, and I have a secure but not particularly lucrative fed.gov job. I like to surround myself with as much refinement as I can afford: nice clothes, luxury-brand automobiles, musical instruments that I collect and have taught myself (sort of) to play. It's a bit too late for me to fully absorb these things into my personality, but I'm doing it for the next generation. If I have kids someday, I want them to grow up in the "normal world." I don't want them to know what I know.

    Loved your story. Mine not nearly as bad, but let’s just say it’s a shame that divorce often leaves girls to be raised by the Stupid Parent.

    I remember well that social gulf and still feel it. How amazing it seemed, that families went on vacations together, went to national parks or Acapulco or someplace, and went to Dodgers games and did things like that.

    My life was TV, comfort food and school. Blessed school..I always looked forward to September. Thank God for tracking, for I was well separated from the NAMs and other boneheads, hardly realizing they were there until checking my yearbook decades later.

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  146. guest says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    I really have no idea what a public K-through-12 education looks like at a really good public school district in the United States, but what with federal interference, tenured teachers, and PTA entitlement, could it possibly be better than you would get at bona fide elite private institution?
     
    Well, I know that the public schools in the wealthy Boston suburbs (Brookline, Newton, Wellesley, Weston, etc.) are probably equal to or better than most private schools. When your kids are in a local public school you are more organically connected with your community, a value conservatives should appreciate. In the Boston suburbs you also recoup the school expense in the increasing value of your home equity, at least theoretically.

    The advantage of private schools is mostly for ambitious parents - better networking opportunities with like-minded ambitious people. Unless we are talking about a top elite school like Phillips Exeter which is probably one of the best schools in the world, and worth the money.

    Compulsory public education is not “organically” tied to anything.

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  147. @MJMD
    I really have no idea what a public K-through-12 education looks like at a really good public school district in the United States, but what with federal interference, tenured teachers, and PTA entitlement, could it possibly be better than you would get at bona fide elite private institution? Why don't more high-achieving, upper-percentile white parents with a reasonable chance of having brainy children save on the sticker price and property taxes for their house, buying into one of those trendy "diverse" neighbourhoods that millennials supposedly like anyway, and just fork out the difference paying for private education? America's embarrassment of riches when it comes to higher education (and it really is, in spite of SJW shenanigans) is largely thanks to a breadth and depth of private options unmatched anywhere else on Earth, although the US model is quietly emulated in East Asia and Latin America. Everywhere else, a monolithic state sector is completely dominant (I can't wait to see how well that works out when it comes to absorbing the migrants flooding into France and Germany). So why don't Americans demand more institutional diversity when it comes to primary and secondary education? Wealthy private schools can also afford to take on and subsidize a few more poor black students (just as heavily-endowed private colleges can easily afford to completely subsidize a few affirmative action students), but with relatively little danger of the process getting out of control. We don't need quotas for white people, we need a cultural shift where white people become more comfortable abandoning public education and more invested in paying directly for private schooling for their children. The end result, ideally, would be less neighbourhood segregation, the rapid growth of a non-profit market capable of better subsidizing outliers from disadvantaged communities, and fewer real barriers to imposing strict discipline on the remedial public remainder.

    The problem with living in a “vibrant” neighborhood is that you may end of up neighbors who like to walk their pit bulls, have convicted felons living with them, loud parties, etc. Buying in an elite neighborhood means that like-minded families will attend the public school. The public school is guaranteed to accept all of your children, not just the brilliant ones.

    Tenured teachers and the PTA aren’t major problems, but I can see people abandoning public schools in some areas like New York City if the planned government interventions go through.

    although the US model is quietly emulated in East Asia and Latin America. Everywhere else, a monolithic state sector is completely dominant (I can’t wait to see how well that works out when it comes to absorbing the migrants flooding into France and Germany).

    Germany sorts kids by ability at the age of 10. It was only after joining the European Union and taking part in the PISA exam did Germans learn that wealthier children were in the university track and poorer kids were in the vocational track.

    In countries like Finland and the Netherlands whites work the system and go to middle and upper-class public schools while foreigners and the poor go to their own public schools.

    France’s constitution outlaws the census from asking a citizen’s race, so the country honestly doesn’t know what its racial makeup is. I don’t know anything about its K-12 system, but France guarantees university admission to anyone who passes the baccalauréat; ninety percent who sit for the exam pass. Needless to say a university degree doesn’t mean much in France. Terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui found this out when he graduated from a French university. Embittered, he went to London to study for a master’s degree and there he came into contact with Islamic extremists.

    The true elites of France don’t go to university they go to grandes ecoles and become political and business leaders.

    The proposed public school interventions are to prevent the US from becoming like Latin America where the elite are ethnic minorities.

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  148. guest says:
    @Alice
    Recent articles in Minneapolis and at. Paul papers have been aimed at attacking charter schools. The attack is that charter schools siphon off too many whites, so now that St. Paul city schools are "majority minority". The newspaper phrased this as "segregated". It was segregated because the population of white students was down to 22%. See? Steve is right! No longer enough white students to be integrated!
    "The Star Tribune defined segregated as any school that had 80 percent or more minority students (predominantly minority) or less than 20 percent minorities (predominantly white)."

    Now, charters are also often segragted by choice. We can't have religious charters, but we can have cultural charters here. So the Hmong have a few, and the Chinese a few, and the Koreans have one, and then there are the hippy dippy Montessori ones for whites, etc.

    Here are a few articles.
    http://m.startribune.com/desegregation-lawsuit-pulls-in-state-s-charter-schools/358457791/

    http://m.startribune.com/data-segregation-in-twin-cities-charter-schools/347625331/

    This last one is an Op ed arguing that forced busing to reintegrate charters is not the answer. Of course, its language is leftist anyway.
    http://m.startribune.com/in-minnesota-we-must-think-broadly-about-school-integration/363960211/

    The goal of the lawsuit and attention is twofold: one, destroy the charters per se, and two, destroy the charters to force white kids back into schools to raise their test scores. Charters propagate disparity. Some pull urban kids out of the sewer. Some try to teach actual content knowledge to children. Can't have either.

    Ah, the Twin Cities, where they stopped enforcing laws against spitting in public because of their “disparate impact” on black people. I live a half hour or so away and fully expect in the near future to be herded onto the monorail, shipped downtown, and forced to live in a highrise apartment so they can get at my taxes.

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  149. Marty [AKA "coot veal or cot deal"] says:

    Possibly the cutest 4-year old I’ve ever seen, Mexican-American, just told me that she’s “white,” and that her sister – a year older, slightly darker and not nearly as cute – is “black.”
    Neither has the slightest accent. At Krispy-Kreme just outside SF.

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  150. @Dew

    Nationally, of course, the massive problem is that we’re running out of white kids to use to uplift NAM kids
     
    Hit the nail on the head, Steve. This is one issue that I really have no solutions for.

    The situation is going to get way worse considering White millennials tend to have 1 to 2 kids max if any. Less money to go around too. I honestly doubt that all these Hispanic kids are going to help matters. Technically, if they replace black students, things would get "better" but not much I think.

    Europeans are going to face this issue as well, even though the media kept shouting that immigration was supposed to be a boon. Depressing thought.

    This is one issue that I really have no solutions for.

    The situation is going to get way worse considering White millennials tend to have 1 to 2 kids max if any.

    How about the obvious solution: Raise white birth rates. Israel successfully raised Jewish birth rates and suppressed Arab birth rates. The technology involved is rather low tech.

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    In Israel the government is in the hands of those supporting the ethnic majority.

    In the US the government is in the hands of those opposing the ethnic majority.

    Q.E.D.
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  151. Mixing the coffee with the cream only drags down the cream, it does not improve the coffee. It’s a question of mean IQ and abilities and rate of learning and it is obviously tied to race, that is, the Dindu just don’t pack the IQ to do schoolwork at the pace of Whites, Asians and Jews. Nonetheless, to get around Liberals, you can get around the race issue if you group by IQ and ignore RACE.

    If the lower IQs need learning at the rate of the kids on the short bus, so be it. If the kids of lesser IQ are too stupid to understand they need schooling, send the little bastards to work camps until such time as they decide they like the idea of schooling. Violent or misbehave? Work camps or reform school. Then, back to school to your assigned IQ group. An awful lot of it is breaking the violent, low IQ miscreants away from well behaved, if low IQ kids. It is the miscreants that taunt those who try with accusations of “acting White” after all. Do away with them, they’re toxic. The violent are dealt down the tube ruthlessly, a few examples, problem solved. But no..

    The kids of higher IQ, regardless of race, learn at the pace of like IQ and of course, there will be no nonsense from them in any case.

    What is so difficult?

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    "What is so difficult?"
     
    What is so difficult, Dear Jim, is that your eminently sensible plan must overcome our modern religions (I am not being metaphorical) of Diversity and Equalism.

    Step One to almost everything else is

    1) Discredit Diversity and Equalism.

    2) Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness.

    But you can't have 2) without 1).
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  152. Alice says:
    @Bill
    At one point, I was thinking of sending my kids to the local Catholic school instead of to the local suburban private school. I went to their website, to the part for prospective students. One of the first things I read was that all their teachers were certified to teach---that is that they had all gotten Ed School credentials of one kind or another and had passed the state test to be certified. This, evidently, they thought was a selling point.

    I couldn't believe my eyes. From my POV, the primary purpose of sending my kids there was to avoid having certified teachers---both the public and Catholic school were super-majority middle class white, so it wasn't to escape diversity that I was looking. The principal had a doctorate in education! As far as I could tell, the only real diffrences vis a vis public school were that there was a religious ed class during school (taught by a Nice White Lady) and that the students and faculty went to Mass together a couple of times a year. Absurd.

    The parents I talked to were sending their children there either because they had had some kind of problem in public school or, more commonly, for relatively inchoate reasons of tribe or family tradition.

    Bill,
    What state are you in?

    The rot in Catholic schools is everywhere. Since there are no convents full of sisters with vows of poverty as staff members and there are no longer solvent parishes, the premise of Catholic schools can’t work. (To wit: the state spends 18k per student per year in St. Paul, 22k in mpls, but somehow, a Catholic school is going to make it on 3k a year? What costs are actually lower? Not staff health insurance, not liability, not lawyer fees. Even paying teachers only ee% of public school teachers won’t reduce costs enough.)

    But, they don’t even notice they offer Exactly The Same Product but charge for it. The cycle goes like this: there are no longer orders of brothers and sisters devoted to education, so there is no one to run these schools. The only “experienced” staff available are from the public schools. Parish boards are risk averse and defer to the “experts”, who then hire more and more public schools folks who enforce more and more public school mandates, be it background checks for volunteers or no more cupcakes for birthdays or idiotic Reader’s and writer’s workshop curricula. The more mandates, the more the non-public school folks quit or retire. The more they are replaced with young (cheap) staff raised on ed school.

    Meanwhile, the parish school has too few parish kids to stay open, so it brings in more and more non Catholics, including weaker and weaker Catholics, so the basic commitment to Catholic ed is no longer wanted by the families present. They like how “modern” the education is. The board understands even less its role, etc.

    But sometimes, it’s forced upon the schools by even more idiotic diocesan superintendents.

    Here in MN, the main (totally dysfunctional) archdiocese of St. Paul-Mpls got punked. Before the 50 pairs of shoes hit the ground leading to their current bankruptcy, the archd and its schools were already insolvent. Looking to salvage their schools, the archd tried to make a deal with state legislators. The deal, first discussed under R majorities in both legislative houses, was to allow Catholic schools to accept vouchers. Then the Dems came to power. They told the Archdiocese they’d let them accept vouchers if first the archd agreed that all new hires would be state licensed.

    The Archdiocese agreed. Magically the vouchers never materialized. But every parish principal needs a principal license! And every Catholic school teacher comes through ed school and state licensure!

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    Meanwhile, in a suburb south of Boston, the Catholic high school I attended is doing well enough that it has added a middle school.

    Of course, it's not $3,000 to attend, which goes a long way in defining what's causing the dysfunction in Minnesota. For three large you get an educational experience that's worth three large. Boston Magazine called my alma mater one of the best education "bargains" in the area...at $13K!

    I think your problem is nice Midwestern Catholics; the hard-headed ethnic Catholics here want the schools to work. When the Boston archdiocese got a bit too grabby for cash after the molestation scandal, a good number of its schools, including my old school, left the diocese and are thriving as independent Catholic institutions.

    , @Bill Jones
    My son went here
    http://www.immaculateconceptionschool.net/
    , @carol
    As to what happened to the all the nuns and other orders, this article should be of interest. Especially if you're like me and despise shrinks. (This all predates the priest sex scandals.)

    http://www.culturewars.com/CultureWars/1999/rogers.html
    , @Bill
    Thanks very much for that interesting answer!

    My story happened in PA.
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  153. @Intelligent Dasein
    As an epilogue, I really do think that this issue is completely intractable within the current legal and cultural regime, but thankfully that regime is changing. Such is the hope of a Trump presidency.

    The whole question of "How can we improve the performance of black/minority students?" is already a Gramscian ploy. The desideratum itself is meaningless, since enhanced student performance (of any color whatever) is not the sort of thing you can just manufacture with policy changes. At any rate, it is nobody else's responsibility beyond the students themselves and their parents. The kind of social policies that result from the misguided attempts to address this pseudo-problem at the societal level are always and necessarily draconian (e.g. bussing or any type of forced integration). Writing such nonsense into the law simply opens the door for shakedown artists and rentseekers to game the system.

    The ultimate answer is to eliminate the DOE and to declare Affirmative Action a dead letter. When we cease making vast sums of money available for racial racketeering schemes, social classes will resegregate and the matter will sort itself out.

    The ultimate answer is to eliminate the DOE and to declare Affirmative Action a dead letter. When we cease making vast sums of money available for racial racketeering schemes, social classes will resegregate and the matter will sort itself out.

    very well said

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  154. BenKenobi says:
    @Anonymous
    I just wish dirty politicians would stop using children as political footballs.

    “You’re such a pollyanna — I bet you kiss prostitutes.”

    - Director Avery Bullock

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  155. Alice says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    I really have no idea what a public K-through-12 education looks like at a really good public school district in the United States, but what with federal interference, tenured teachers, and PTA entitlement, could it possibly be better than you would get at bona fide elite private institution?
     
    Well, I know that the public schools in the wealthy Boston suburbs (Brookline, Newton, Wellesley, Weston, etc.) are probably equal to or better than most private schools. When your kids are in a local public school you are more organically connected with your community, a value conservatives should appreciate. In the Boston suburbs you also recoup the school expense in the increasing value of your home equity, at least theoretically.

    The advantage of private schools is mostly for ambitious parents - better networking opportunities with like-minded ambitious people. Unless we are talking about a top elite school like Phillips Exeter which is probably one of the best schools in the world, and worth the money.

    You said

    When your kids are in a local public school you are more organically connected with your community, a value conservatives should appreciate.

    This has the causality reversed. Neighborhoods used to exist because they were monocultural. With everyone basically with the same cultural values, going to the same corner church, and with moms at home, you could let your kid go to the local public school or Catholic school and be connected to that community because it was just an outgrowth if your community.

    Nowadays, neighborhoods don’t exist in that way. Most don’t have enough stay at home wives for kids to be playing after school. So they are bedroom communities. Often, they are “vibrant” so no one would want their kid playing with the other kids anyway. The corner church is empty or closed.

    So the “neighborhood” school has become a replacement community. Parents throw tons of time, talent and treasure at their local public school because they hope that school has parents who value what they value. But of course, the “neighborhood” of the achool is a giant boundary with its own “vibrancy” baked in. The parents then spend enormous resources navigating that school to find those whose valurs match their own.

    They are also stuck– unable to complain for fear it will destroy their belonging or their kids’ belonging in the community. No one pushes back. No one wants to be the bigot or bully. Next then you know, transgender bathrooms and locker rooms. And you’re a bigot if you complain. The private school allows you a tiny chance to vote with your wallet and feet.

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    Most don’t have enough stay at home wives for kids to be playing after school. So they are bedroom communities. Often, they are “vibrant” so no one would want their kid playing with the other kids anyway. The corner church is empty or closed.
     
    None of this accurately describes the Boston suburbs I am talking about. That is probably why the schools are good, and the property values are so high.
    , @AP

    Nowadays, neighborhoods don’t exist in that way. Most don’t have enough stay at home wives for kids to be playing after school. So they are bedroom communities. Often, they are “vibrant” so no one would want their kid playing with the other kids anyway. The corner church is empty or closed.
     
    This sounds like a sprawl lifestyle. Wealthy northeastern towns (and there are rare similar ones in the Midwest, such as Grosse Pointe) aren't sprawling. In our town, the kids walk to elementary school, and after school when we go to the playground they often meet classmates who live around. I work flexible hours and sometimes come to school activities - I see plenty of stay-at-home moms (some with advanced degrees from good schools, taking a break). I don't have time for PTA but it seems housewives are involved in it.

    I go to an ethnic church in a different town but the local churches seem to be busy, although given this part of the country they tend to be liberal Congregational or Episcopalian churches.
    , @Almost Missouri
    "They are also stuck– unable to complain for fear it will destroy their belonging or their kids’ belonging in the community."

    That's why I do complain. If you don't complain you've preemptively signed everything away. And this is your kids we're talking about.

    I don't rant. I am polite but firm. I point out foreseeable consequences. I identify decision-makers and communicate in ways that leave an obvious paper trail. Most administrators are risk-averse and do not want to embark on a course where there is a written record of foreseeable problems. I cultivate allies wherever I find them. Mostly, I just remind them I (with others) am watching, and imply I have have legal/political/media connections to make them regret errors. (I don't actually, but like I said, risk-averse.)

    Does this always work? No. Does it work enough? Yes? Am I popular? Not with everyone. Are there those who refuse to talk with me and only show me their backs in public? Yes. Did my kid suffer any blowback? Maybe a little. Was it worth it? Yes.
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  156. @dc.sunsets

    Wasn’t there an iSteve post recently to the effect that the “uplift” theory doesn’t really work anyway?
     
    From: http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/diversity.htm

    Figure 1 shows a scatterplot of eighth-grade math pass rates at the satisfactory level vs. black class percentage. Each point contains data from a single school. The extent of scatter, caused by failure to control for SES, is conspicuous. Yet, discernible through the noise, is a downward drift in performance with increasing black classroom presence. Both black and white rates decline as classrooms become blacker. Putting it more positively, students of both races achieve more in whiter classes.
     


    How does achievement in the classroom relate to SES and racial mix? Regression supplies the answer. We fit pass rates to a linear model, using black eighth-grade percentage and average neighborhood home value as independent variables. The results are summarized in Table 2. Four choices of dependent variable were used: black and white pass rates, each at the satisfactory and excellent levels of achievement. Pass rates were fit to the plane, y = a + b1x1 + b2x2 , where y is one of four pass rates, and x1 and x2 are eighth-grade black class percentage and average neighborhood home value, respectively.

    The numbers tell a simple story. Racial integration raises black performance and lowers white. At high levels of confidence, especially for whites, performance declines linearly with increasing black class percentage. At the satisfactory level of achievement, with SES held constant, an increment in black class percentage of 1 percent causes a 0.537 percent decrement in the white pass rate and a 0.237 percent decrement in the black. Performance for both races is lowered by increasing the number of classroom blacks. The effect on whites is more pronounced. Their pass rates decline at twice the rate of blacks. At the excellent level, white pass rates are reduced by a 0.290 percent decrement for each 1 percent increment in black-student percentage. At this level, black performance is extremely poor and is essentially unaffected by the racial mix of a classroom or the SES of its students.

    SES and racial mix exert about equal influences on achievement. Holding racial composition constant, each increment of 1 percent in average neighborhood home value advances white satisfactory-level achievement by a 0.507 percent increment and by a 0.345 percent increment at the excellent level. For the same increment in home value, blacks improve by a 0.307 percent increment at the satisfactory level of achievement. The graphs of Figure 4 tell the story with miserly simplicity.
     

    The bottom line: Pushing more NAM's into your white kid's school systematically sacrifices your child on the altar of uplifting others. Where is the Aztec temple for human sacrifice?

    “systematically sacrifices your child on the altar of uplifting others”

    Except it doesn’t even uplift others.

    Thanks. LaGriffeDuLion is even more precise than I recall.

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  157. Anonycat says:

    Maybe the steveosphere can help here.

    Let’s say there’s a municipal election this November in a small East Coast town with high property taxes, a very good school system, 85% white, and an incumbent Democrat mayor whom a Republican is trying to beat. The traditional GOP anti-tax platform may not work, according to the article, because the upper middle class white majority has chosen to live in this town and pay high taxes to avoid schools full of NAMs and thus unconsciously accepts their high tax bill as a barrier to entry to the community. (Let’s assume another reason it won’t work is there’s a 2% cap that a portly gentleman in our capital legislated a few years back.) My own experience seems to bear out this strange but not strange acceptance of taxes.

    Therefore, with the understanding that the BOE and town hall are separate entities creating separate budgets, what strategy could a GOP candidate use to win an election without falling into the “your taxes are too high” “yeah but our schools and good and white” death spiral?

    I would be grateful for serious suggestions.

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    "small East Coast town with high property taxes, a very good school system, 85% white, and an incumbent Democrat mayor"
     
    Is that so bad? Why does the Dem need to pushed out of office?
    , @artichoke
    So you're talking about NY, and the tax cap this year is more like 1.5%. If I am right, that is the percentage that school taxes can increase every year, without requiring a 60% vote of voters in the district to accept that greater tax increase and also forfeit a certain small tax refund from the state called STAR that they would otherwise get.

    I know because my NY district is facing that problem today, bigtime. And we can't keep up with the 3% teacher pay increase they can demand under Triborough, with a 1.5% tax cap. Some members of our school board seem to think the problem is the tax cap is too low (rather than Triborough allowing teachers to demand too much) and so I am working to throw out those school board members at this election.

    I don't see high property taxes being the barrier to entry to NAM's. I think it's the house prices, which will probably come down if you don't keep the taxes under control. But I could be wrong. I know a neighboring district to ours has much higher property taxes, a somewhat better school system but just as many NAM's in comparable areas. Namely, almost zero in either case.

    Generally NYers vote Dem too much even those in the middle class. Traditional Republican issues are local control (you have home rule, use it!) and lower taxes. Let me know if I don't understand the situation right.
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  158. @jon


    “one of the site’s regular bloggers, Steve Sailer, has suggested that Jews “use their influence over the media” to “demoralize and divide” other groups.”
     
    Do people deny that Jews do that?
     
    Not only do they do it, but they sometimes even publicly explain the strategy on blogs:

    If you're afraid of every group, though, shouldn't you support whatever group has the minimum chance of doing terrible things once it's firmly in charge? Not at all. There's another path: Try to prevent any group from being firmly in charge. In the long-run, the best way to do this is to make every group a small minority
     
    From our friend Byan Caplan - http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2015/10/they_scare_me.html

    Another example, from the Humans of New York blog:

    “You should kiss the ground you walk on if you were born in this country– take it from an old man who once had to wear the Star of David on his shirt. There’s a safety to living in such a diverse place. It’s much more difficult to brainwash a population that is composed of so many different nationalities and so many different viewpoints.”

    So, the take-away is, America must be made more and more diverse!

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    Yes, I once had a little old Jewish lady whisper precisely those sentiments in my ear. It's a common attitude for those with one foot in the old country.

    Again, there's some truth to the whole McDonald thing. If Jewish people assume that they will always be a separate group within a larger entity, then it follows that they will have an interest in being just one of many groups, so that they cannot be singled out. In the same way, they will tend to have greater allegiance to their group, rather than to some entity extrinsic to their group. However, this ignores the fact that there has been a strong range of attitudes within the Jewish community about assimilation for a couple of hundred years. And, again, in my experience I'd say the majority of Jews I know -- whether they are strongly Zionist or observant or what have you -- consider themselves just typical white Americans -- as long as others treat them that way, and don't finger them as "Jews" -- and would like the US, and Europe, to stay that way.

    Exactly why the ADL, etc. is advocating hijabs at the Citadel, I have no idea.
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  159. @jill
    NY City actively displacing white teachers

    http://www1.nyc.gov/site/ymi/teach/nyc-men-teach.page

    Whites can apply because:

    "NYC Men Teach does not discriminate based on race or gender. All programs and activities of the NYC Men Teach program are open to all eligible applicants, without regard to race, gender, national origin or other characteristic protected by law."

    But we don't want whites to apply. Less whites = Diversity

    The program is guaranteed to fail. According to the Wall Street Journal: “The city loses 450 to 500 nonwhite male teachers a year, Mr. Garrett said, and hires about 350.”

    Many male teachers quit because they are constantly called on to be disciplinarians. The city wants to hire 1,000 black, Hispanic, and Asian male teachers by 2017 but can’t offer them any extra pay.

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  160. SPMoore8 says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    Another example, from the Humans of New York blog:

    "You should kiss the ground you walk on if you were born in this country-- take it from an old man who once had to wear the Star of David on his shirt. There's a safety to living in such a diverse place. It's much more difficult to brainwash a population that is composed of so many different nationalities and so many different viewpoints."
     
    So, the take-away is, America must be made more and more diverse!

    Yes, I once had a little old Jewish lady whisper precisely those sentiments in my ear. It’s a common attitude for those with one foot in the old country.

    Again, there’s some truth to the whole McDonald thing. If Jewish people assume that they will always be a separate group within a larger entity, then it follows that they will have an interest in being just one of many groups, so that they cannot be singled out. In the same way, they will tend to have greater allegiance to their group, rather than to some entity extrinsic to their group. However, this ignores the fact that there has been a strong range of attitudes within the Jewish community about assimilation for a couple of hundred years. And, again, in my experience I’d say the majority of Jews I know — whether they are strongly Zionist or observant or what have you — consider themselves just typical white Americans — as long as others treat them that way, and don’t finger them as “Jews” — and would like the US, and Europe, to stay that way.

    Exactly why the ADL, etc. is advocating hijabs at the Citadel, I have no idea.

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  161. The idea that my kids should be fucked around with solely for the supposed benefit of somebody else’s is appalling.

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  162. Brutusale says:
    @Alice
    Bill,
    What state are you in?

    The rot in Catholic schools is everywhere. Since there are no convents full of sisters with vows of poverty as staff members and there are no longer solvent parishes, the premise of Catholic schools can't work. (To wit: the state spends 18k per student per year in St. Paul, 22k in mpls, but somehow, a Catholic school is going to make it on 3k a year? What costs are actually lower? Not staff health insurance, not liability, not lawyer fees. Even paying teachers only ee% of public school teachers won't reduce costs enough.)

    But, they don't even notice they offer Exactly The Same Product but charge for it. The cycle goes like this: there are no longer orders of brothers and sisters devoted to education, so there is no one to run these schools. The only "experienced" staff available are from the public schools. Parish boards are risk averse and defer to the "experts", who then hire more and more public schools folks who enforce more and more public school mandates, be it background checks for volunteers or no more cupcakes for birthdays or idiotic Reader's and writer's workshop curricula. The more mandates, the more the non-public school folks quit or retire. The more they are replaced with young (cheap) staff raised on ed school.

    Meanwhile, the parish school has too few parish kids to stay open, so it brings in more and more non Catholics, including weaker and weaker Catholics, so the basic commitment to Catholic ed is no longer wanted by the families present. They like how "modern" the education is. The board understands even less its role, etc.

    But sometimes, it's forced upon the schools by even more idiotic diocesan superintendents.

    Here in MN, the main (totally dysfunctional) archdiocese of St. Paul-Mpls got punked. Before the 50 pairs of shoes hit the ground leading to their current bankruptcy, the archd and its schools were already insolvent. Looking to salvage their schools, the archd tried to make a deal with state legislators. The deal, first discussed under R majorities in both legislative houses, was to allow Catholic schools to accept vouchers. Then the Dems came to power. They told the Archdiocese they'd let them accept vouchers if first the archd agreed that all new hires would be state licensed.

    The Archdiocese agreed. Magically the vouchers never materialized. But every parish principal needs a principal license! And every Catholic school teacher comes through ed school and state licensure!

    Meanwhile, in a suburb south of Boston, the Catholic high school I attended is doing well enough that it has added a middle school.

    Of course, it’s not $3,000 to attend, which goes a long way in defining what’s causing the dysfunction in Minnesota. For three large you get an educational experience that’s worth three large. Boston Magazine called my alma mater one of the best education “bargains” in the area…at $13K!

    I think your problem is nice Midwestern Catholics; the hard-headed ethnic Catholics here want the schools to work. When the Boston archdiocese got a bit too grabby for cash after the molestation scandal, a good number of its schools, including my old school, left the diocese and are thriving as independent Catholic institutions.

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  163. @Formerly CARealist
    A friend's son, a top student at a highly regarded local public HS, complained that in his history class he's learned all about the holocaust and next to nothing about WWII. When my homeschooled son started talking about battles and strategies, the other kid was practically salivating. If it weren't for board games like Risk and Axis and Allies I doubt anybody would learn any facts about the world wars.

    I read a new 800 page AP History textbook a decade ago: zero mention of battle tactics in 800 pages to get boys interested.

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    at our bi-annual sale of "good used stuff"- kid's things at our primary school (I'm almost done..almost putting house on market, but I still have a shit-ton of Legos/K'nex/Erector and kids's books to get out of the fracking basement), 3 years ago, they decreed: No more 'violence toys/war toys/play guns of any kind to be part of the sale.

    All war-like stuff has been shockingly (how do they cover Battle of the Bulge or Hiroshima?) deleted (left out) of AP History books. It is so ridiculous, and really stupid. My brother always said Americans are morons!

    My feeling is: These American SWPL people who edit AP History books, have never understood history...they don't have a family member who was military. (check on that, Steve...might be big fun - maybe we can be 'winning' if my wild-ass idea is correct!) I can't wait to put the house on the market and fly away, btw - almost empty nesters! But, our public school was amazing...still an outlier, but the days are numbered for our town school system.

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  164. @Alice
    Bill,
    What state are you in?

    The rot in Catholic schools is everywhere. Since there are no convents full of sisters with vows of poverty as staff members and there are no longer solvent parishes, the premise of Catholic schools can't work. (To wit: the state spends 18k per student per year in St. Paul, 22k in mpls, but somehow, a Catholic school is going to make it on 3k a year? What costs are actually lower? Not staff health insurance, not liability, not lawyer fees. Even paying teachers only ee% of public school teachers won't reduce costs enough.)

    But, they don't even notice they offer Exactly The Same Product but charge for it. The cycle goes like this: there are no longer orders of brothers and sisters devoted to education, so there is no one to run these schools. The only "experienced" staff available are from the public schools. Parish boards are risk averse and defer to the "experts", who then hire more and more public schools folks who enforce more and more public school mandates, be it background checks for volunteers or no more cupcakes for birthdays or idiotic Reader's and writer's workshop curricula. The more mandates, the more the non-public school folks quit or retire. The more they are replaced with young (cheap) staff raised on ed school.

    Meanwhile, the parish school has too few parish kids to stay open, so it brings in more and more non Catholics, including weaker and weaker Catholics, so the basic commitment to Catholic ed is no longer wanted by the families present. They like how "modern" the education is. The board understands even less its role, etc.

    But sometimes, it's forced upon the schools by even more idiotic diocesan superintendents.

    Here in MN, the main (totally dysfunctional) archdiocese of St. Paul-Mpls got punked. Before the 50 pairs of shoes hit the ground leading to their current bankruptcy, the archd and its schools were already insolvent. Looking to salvage their schools, the archd tried to make a deal with state legislators. The deal, first discussed under R majorities in both legislative houses, was to allow Catholic schools to accept vouchers. Then the Dems came to power. They told the Archdiocese they'd let them accept vouchers if first the archd agreed that all new hires would be state licensed.

    The Archdiocese agreed. Magically the vouchers never materialized. But every parish principal needs a principal license! And every Catholic school teacher comes through ed school and state licensure!

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  165. @Alice
    You said

    When your kids are in a local public school you are more organically connected with your community, a value conservatives should appreciate.
     
    This has the causality reversed. Neighborhoods used to exist because they were monocultural. With everyone basically with the same cultural values, going to the same corner church, and with moms at home, you could let your kid go to the local public school or Catholic school and be connected to that community because it was just an outgrowth if your community.

    Nowadays, neighborhoods don't exist in that way. Most don't have enough stay at home wives for kids to be playing after school. So they are bedroom communities. Often, they are "vibrant" so no one would want their kid playing with the other kids anyway. The corner church is empty or closed.

    So the "neighborhood" school has become a replacement community. Parents throw tons of time, talent and treasure at their local public school because they hope that school has parents who value what they value. But of course, the "neighborhood" of the achool is a giant boundary with its own "vibrancy" baked in. The parents then spend enormous resources navigating that school to find those whose valurs match their own.

    They are also stuck-- unable to complain for fear it will destroy their belonging or their kids' belonging in the community. No one pushes back. No one wants to be the bigot or bully. Next then you know, transgender bathrooms and locker rooms. And you're a bigot if you complain. The private school allows you a tiny chance to vote with your wallet and feet.

    Most don’t have enough stay at home wives for kids to be playing after school. So they are bedroom communities. Often, they are “vibrant” so no one would want their kid playing with the other kids anyway. The corner church is empty or closed.

    None of this accurately describes the Boston suburbs I am talking about. That is probably why the schools are good, and the property values are so high.

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  166. @Seth Largo
    A racial quota based on "maximums" instead of "minimums" is an excellent ground/figure shift. Worth injecting into other debates, as well.

    However, in this case, district spending simply does not correlate with student success. The blogger Random C. Analysis just wrote a giant post about this (among other education issues). The people, not the spending, matter most when it comes to school districts, which I suppose is what this guy's research is getting at, with the income aspect just a bit of squid ink.

    For a local comparison, wealthy Orange County spends far less per pupil than anywhere in LAUSD, including South L.A. schools. The school district I grew up in (Chino Unified) spends less than Orange County and far less than LAUSD, yet it was and remains a solid middle class district with decent sports boosting (I went to high school with Diana Taurasi and former Nationals closer Chad Cordero).

    National district per-pupil spending map.

    I should look at how much is spent per pupil in the Arcadia school district that the Chinese millionaires targeted to take over. I don’t think it was all that much by the standards of high cost of living SoCal.

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    According to that EdWeek study, only $7800 per pupil in Arcadia, far under LAUSD. Also note the long stretch of "red" spending at or under $7k from north Orange County (Fullerton, Walnut), down through Capistrano. These are some of the best school districts in California; Walnut is 25% Asian and, according to La Wik, Walnut Unified was listed by ranking site NerdWallet as the best CA school district when controlling for local income, yet they spend a meagre $7500 per pupil.
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  167. @Truth
    Yeah, quotas would be good. We want to keep a few of you people IN the good schools.

    http://wordondastreet.com/8th-grader-kory-terrell-is-texas-new-spelling-bee-champion/

    Igbo? WHAT IGBO????

    Igbo? WHAT IGBO????

    As a nice and generous fellow, i do not wish to deprive Nigeria of Kory Terrell or any of these wonderful, talented Igbo who are making Nigeria great! It is a disservice to Nigeria–actual “violence”, heck racist!–to steal them from their African home

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  168. Dr. X says:
    @SFG
    You've got a problem I don't see how to fix. Whatever neighborhood takes the poor blacks (and whites, for that matter) is going to suffer. I suppose it might be possible to spread them around to the point where they don't exist anywhere in enough numbers to really drag things down, but that would require a level of government coordination that just can't be done in a republic.

    And they'd be at the bottom of every class.

    Besides, we can't all have 'good schools', like we can't all go to Harvard.

    I suppose it might be possible to spread them around to the point where they don’t exist anywhere in enough numbers to really drag things down, but that would require a level of government coordination that just can’t be done in a republic.

    Ummm… hate to say it, but the Supreme Court’s recent decision on “disparate impact” and current HUD policy is doing EXACTLY that — trying to spread minorities on public assistance into white suburbs.

    http://nypost.com/2016/05/08/obamas-last-act-is-to-force-suburbs-to-be-less-white-and-less-wealthy/

    Of, course, you’re right at this wouldn’t happen in a republic… but I would venture that we are no longer a republic, we are a dictatorship of the courts and the bureaucracy.

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  169. @dc.sunsets
    Yes, yes, it is culturally insensitive to ask the 10 year old black kid to cease his non-stop moon-walking in the back of the room while instruction in long division is taking place for the rest of the class.

    (I kid you not, true story.)

    Why try to learn something you’ll never grasp, anyway? But… Why burden those willing to grasp difficult subjects with obnoxious, genuinely stupid distraction? Our future is being played away.

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  170. Kristen says:
    @Dew

    Nationally, of course, the massive problem is that we’re running out of white kids to use to uplift NAM kids
     
    Hit the nail on the head, Steve. This is one issue that I really have no solutions for.

    The situation is going to get way worse considering White millennials tend to have 1 to 2 kids max if any. Less money to go around too. I honestly doubt that all these Hispanic kids are going to help matters. Technically, if they replace black students, things would get "better" but not much I think.

    Europeans are going to face this issue as well, even though the media kept shouting that immigration was supposed to be a boon. Depressing thought.

    I’m a professor. Recently I had a discussion with my students (sophomores and juniors) about their ideals and future goals. The most religious of kids (Mormons and Christians) wanted large families. One Catholic kid said he wanted ten children! The most secular kids, interestingly, also wanted children. Most said they wanted three. Two said they didn’t want any.

    If I was asked as a college student if I wanted kids, I would have said, “NO.” I had three.

    I wonder, then, if these kids are going to have larger families than we expect.

    By the way, this class was entirely white.

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    I anticipate my three sons (25-31 today) will have 2-4 kids each. (I already have 3 grandkids.)

    Given my kids are all 140 IQ (give or take) and their wives are all quite bright, we're doing our part.

    Instead of idiocracy, maybe it will be Time Machine (only with pretty morlocks and ugly eloi.)
    , @The Practical Conservative
    Not very likely, too many things making it very difficult to have more than four and those things are structural, so not likely to change in the next generation or two. Even Mormons and Catholics are down to three as the norm instead of 5-6.
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  171. @Kristen
    I'm a professor. Recently I had a discussion with my students (sophomores and juniors) about their ideals and future goals. The most religious of kids (Mormons and Christians) wanted large families. One Catholic kid said he wanted ten children! The most secular kids, interestingly, also wanted children. Most said they wanted three. Two said they didn't want any.

    If I was asked as a college student if I wanted kids, I would have said, "NO." I had three.

    I wonder, then, if these kids are going to have larger families than we expect.

    By the way, this class was entirely white.

    I anticipate my three sons (25-31 today) will have 2-4 kids each. (I already have 3 grandkids.)

    Given my kids are all 140 IQ (give or take) and their wives are all quite bright, we’re doing our part.

    Instead of idiocracy, maybe it will be Time Machine (only with pretty morlocks and ugly eloi.)

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    The demographic projection data suggests 2 apiece, or a total of six. But individuals aren't groups.
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  172. @Steve Sailer
    I should look at how much is spent per pupil in the Arcadia school district that the Chinese millionaires targeted to take over. I don't think it was all that much by the standards of high cost of living SoCal.

    According to that EdWeek study, only $7800 per pupil in Arcadia, far under LAUSD. Also note the long stretch of “red” spending at or under $7k from north Orange County (Fullerton, Walnut), down through Capistrano. These are some of the best school districts in California; Walnut is 25% Asian and, according to La Wik, Walnut Unified was listed by ranking site NerdWallet as the best CA school district when controlling for local income, yet they spend a meagre $7500 per pupil.

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    The map is monkeying with the numbers. "Expenditure amounts have been adjusted for regional differences in cost of living, using the NCES Comparable Wage Index 2013 as updated by Lori Taylor of Texas A&M University."

    In 2014 California was 50th in per student spending. In 2013 Governor Jerry Brown implemented the Local Control Funding Formula where more money is directed to districts with high needs students. I guess all California districts received the same per student previously.

    Wealthier school districts spend more per student through private fund raising. This started a few years after the passage of Proposition 13 in 1978. The 35:50 mark of this 2004 documentary shows how the Orinda school district had spent millions raised over the years. I recommend the whole documentary; it is an excellent history of California schools.

    https://youtu.be/r5NhiM9ApCw?t=2150

    http://edsource.org/wp-content/publications/10-questions.pdf
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  173. dr kill says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    I'm glad to see that sociology has caught up with what my instincts have always told me, viz. that a middle-class upbringing in a decent neighborhood results in a quantum leap forward when it comes to the child's opportunities for socioeconomic advancement. To grow up without those opportunities can sometimes be a virtual death sentence for one's hopes and dreams.

    I spent many years and a great deal of effort trying to get myself the hell out of poverty. I grew up in a dusty trailer park that hailed from the T.J. Hooker era---a sort of grease trap for burned out hippies, coke heads, and bikers even back when the neighborhood was mostly white. My parents were two severely dysfunctional and abusive alcoholics and my dad, additionally, was a bona fide sociopath. All the kids from the neighborhood (my friends growing up) were ballers, major or minor criminals, or just Beavis-and-Butthead-type dropouts. Not a few of them today are either in jail, in the state mental hospital, or dead.

    I was exposed to another world in school because I was always "gifted." Books had always been my only refuge from my miserable family life, so I read a lot growing up. I was sort of like a real-life Good Will Hunting. But when I got to high school, when hormones and status hierarchies begin to play a big role in the adolescent's burgeoning identity, I noticed how different I was from the other preppy kids I was in the AP classes with. The social gulf between us was immense and, from my perspective, unbridgeable. Consequently it was something I thought a great deal about, even from a young age. I realized early on that the experiences they'd had, compared to the ones I'd had, had conditioned them for a very different sort of life than the life I knew. Even though I had the raw intelligence necessary to compete at the highest levels, I certainly did not have any of the other prerequisites, e.g. the social skills, the networks, the knowledge base, or the money. There was no one around me to whom I could reach out to for help with these things. My own life was an abyss of ignorance, drugs, and absent parenting that I had to grope my way out of on my own.

    I won't go into the intervening biographical details, but today I live in a decent house in the suburbs, and I have a secure but not particularly lucrative fed.gov job. I like to surround myself with as much refinement as I can afford: nice clothes, luxury-brand automobiles, musical instruments that I collect and have taught myself (sort of) to play. It's a bit too late for me to fully absorb these things into my personality, but I'm doing it for the next generation. If I have kids someday, I want them to grow up in the "normal world." I don't want them to know what I know.

    You have learned the wrong lesson, a sad and common mistake. The desire of parents to shield children from the real world has a terrible consequence – we are now into the third generation of well-meaning Americans who have not paid for the ridiculous notions and behaviors they hold. Only in the West is it possible to hold dangerous and deluded beliefs and actually be rewarded in stead of punished. Let your kids know everything, you will be rewarded with proper-thinking adults.

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  174. Smitty says:

    Bullish more loan fraud.
    BTW WAPO is a Jamie Gorelick tool (the Fannie Mae paymaster) the single biggest lobbyist for mass immigration in American history, they have their own dual mandate (invasion and debt) entirely different than the fed’s dual mandate (full employment no inflation) .

    BTW catch the art of Jamie’s mom? http://www.shirleygorelickfoundation.org/#!works/c65q

    Hard to imagine a hard core literal red diaper baby has appointed our AG, the last AG, worked under 3 or maybe 4 Presidents and placed 4 people on the Supreme Court without hiding her open family Communist advocacy history.

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  175. @Seth Largo
    According to that EdWeek study, only $7800 per pupil in Arcadia, far under LAUSD. Also note the long stretch of "red" spending at or under $7k from north Orange County (Fullerton, Walnut), down through Capistrano. These are some of the best school districts in California; Walnut is 25% Asian and, according to La Wik, Walnut Unified was listed by ranking site NerdWallet as the best CA school district when controlling for local income, yet they spend a meagre $7500 per pupil.

    The map is monkeying with the numbers. “Expenditure amounts have been adjusted for regional differences in cost of living, using the NCES Comparable Wage Index 2013 as updated by Lori Taylor of Texas A&M University.”

    In 2014 California was 50th in per student spending. In 2013 Governor Jerry Brown implemented the Local Control Funding Formula where more money is directed to districts with high needs students. I guess all California districts received the same per student previously.

    Wealthier school districts spend more per student through private fund raising. This started a few years after the passage of Proposition 13 in 1978. The 35:50 mark of this 2004 documentary shows how the Orinda school district had spent millions raised over the years. I recommend the whole documentary; it is an excellent history of California schools.

    http://edsource.org/wp-content/publications/10-questions.pdf

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  176. Wife and I are avoiding the bidding war by agreeing to home school. The plan is that, when the time comes, she stays home and schools the children, and I chip in on math and science days.

    Then we can live anywhere. We do worry about our kids getting enough normal interaction with other kids, but the poz at public schools – even “good” schools – is so strong now that we can’t condone it by sending our own children there. In addition to despising the state approved indoctrination program, we’d prefer our kids to associate with the children of other families that we’ve vetted. Really, the fact that we don’t have to buy an expensive McMansion to do this is a side-benefit. Perhaps we’ll spend the money we saved on a ranch.

    Public school is dead. Dead! The country is too vibrantly diverse now. Most whites will not willingly send their children to black or “diverse” schools. Like real estate, that is where preference is revealed.

    By the way, I think there’s a big future in crowd-sourced co-schooling arrangements. Like AirBnb or Meetup.com for homeschooling parents who want to share the workload. Public schools is dead!

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    All the successful homeschoolers I know have older children who weren't homeschooled or household help. Just something to keep in mind.

    Also, a lot of homeschoolers are very resistant to pooling resources. Something else to keep in mind. If you find some who aren't, stick to them like glue.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Can you define this term "poz" that's been showing up in the alt-right lately? I usually rely on the Urban Dictionary to keep up, but it defines it as "Term embraced by those who are HIV positive, particularly common in the gay community."
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  177. @TheJester
    Yes, the once wide-spread Catholic school system has gone "south", especially the parish-level schools. Here is the reason:

    When women stopped becoming nuns who became teachers, the parish-level Catholic schools had to either increase tuition to unaffordable levels or hire substandard or barely qualified teachers. The budgets dictated this. This was the "death spiral" that eventually led to the closing of the Catholic high school in my home town. Before women stopped becoming nuns, any child whose family was registered as Catholic could attend the local Catholic grade school and high school and receive an excellent education. The families were invoiced for full tuition but they only had to pay what they could afford. Some children attended for free, i.e. the Native American boy who lived in a converted gas station at the edge of town.

    The only advantage in parish-level Catholic schools today is the ability to push back against multiculturalism and expel troublemakers. The exclusive Catholic schools or those in communities where families can afford up to $15,000/year per student for tuition continue as exceptions offering exceptional educations.

    Let's not forget why the wide-spread Catholic school system was set up in the first place. One of the objectives of "free" public education in the Progressive Era was to turn immigrant Irish and Italian Catholics into good Americans and Protestants. Hence, in its heyday when I attended Catholic schools, the Catholics went to Catholic schools to protect their religion and culture, leaving the public schools by default as taxpayer-funded Protestant schools. As context, only Protestant ministers were invited to give invocations at the public schools and the public high school choir took turns singing at local Protestant churches on Sunday. It was so natural that no one complained.

    My, how much things can change in one lifetime!

    I recall that when I was in grade school we had to say the Protestant version of the Lord’s Prayer instead of the Catholic version, with which I was familiar. And the Jewish kids–no one cared.

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    Yep, we also said the Pledge of Allegiance every morning standing in front of the US flag that was in every classroom.
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  178. carol says:
    @Alice
    Bill,
    What state are you in?

    The rot in Catholic schools is everywhere. Since there are no convents full of sisters with vows of poverty as staff members and there are no longer solvent parishes, the premise of Catholic schools can't work. (To wit: the state spends 18k per student per year in St. Paul, 22k in mpls, but somehow, a Catholic school is going to make it on 3k a year? What costs are actually lower? Not staff health insurance, not liability, not lawyer fees. Even paying teachers only ee% of public school teachers won't reduce costs enough.)

    But, they don't even notice they offer Exactly The Same Product but charge for it. The cycle goes like this: there are no longer orders of brothers and sisters devoted to education, so there is no one to run these schools. The only "experienced" staff available are from the public schools. Parish boards are risk averse and defer to the "experts", who then hire more and more public schools folks who enforce more and more public school mandates, be it background checks for volunteers or no more cupcakes for birthdays or idiotic Reader's and writer's workshop curricula. The more mandates, the more the non-public school folks quit or retire. The more they are replaced with young (cheap) staff raised on ed school.

    Meanwhile, the parish school has too few parish kids to stay open, so it brings in more and more non Catholics, including weaker and weaker Catholics, so the basic commitment to Catholic ed is no longer wanted by the families present. They like how "modern" the education is. The board understands even less its role, etc.

    But sometimes, it's forced upon the schools by even more idiotic diocesan superintendents.

    Here in MN, the main (totally dysfunctional) archdiocese of St. Paul-Mpls got punked. Before the 50 pairs of shoes hit the ground leading to their current bankruptcy, the archd and its schools were already insolvent. Looking to salvage their schools, the archd tried to make a deal with state legislators. The deal, first discussed under R majorities in both legislative houses, was to allow Catholic schools to accept vouchers. Then the Dems came to power. They told the Archdiocese they'd let them accept vouchers if first the archd agreed that all new hires would be state licensed.

    The Archdiocese agreed. Magically the vouchers never materialized. But every parish principal needs a principal license! And every Catholic school teacher comes through ed school and state licensure!

    As to what happened to the all the nuns and other orders, this article should be of interest. Especially if you’re like me and despise shrinks. (This all predates the priest sex scandals.)

    http://www.culturewars.com/CultureWars/1999/rogers.html

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  179. Lagertha says:
    @Nico
    So what you're saying is the Asiatization feared by the Ivies and which is the real reason for their continuing anti-Asian affirmative action has already occurred in all but skin color.

    Whaaa? I have “medicine head” right now, so am not sure where you’re goin’ with this ? And, I may say stupid things that make no sense at this time.

    OK: My feeling, for many years (and I am only coming from MY experience) of my sons & friends who fall under the WASP, WASC category – they’re not accepted at Elite U’s. So, judging on what happened to them (they were all in the .1% of math/science ability nationally,…a few in language arts, also), as far as college admissions, confirms my feeling that it is ALL b.s. now, AND, Asians, included. We just can’t have too many smart Asians and smart white guys walking among those Ivy covered halls…this is what I feel is going on.

    I have sooo much knowledge (can’t divulge) about Elite U admissions these last 8-10 years (when just fracking, stuff changed) about the selection system in place, including (in my opinion) keeping an Asian threshold that you speak about. Full disclosure: because one of my sons is a fencer, he has always had MANY Asian friends, and during that awful college admissions process (he is graduating from U now), I can tell you that I had many conversations with my Asian mom-squad at fencing tournaments ( I am, duh, not Asian..unless going back to THE GREAT MIGRATION) about how weird the elite schools were, and why would they not accept our brilliant children????? Some of my “squad” moms did get the “Golden Ticket” to an elite U..but it often had to do with the fact that their son was a National Champion in his weapon…or at least, in the top 5.

    The Elite U’s are practicing a kinda’ “social engineering policy/socialism,” meaning, they will accept a certain quota of Asians ( M & F) and a certain quota of white, male WASP’s & WASC’s…but VERY restricted (athletes/football players are exempt). They will fill every freshmen class with 50% URM’s/geographical UR’s, sexual orientation UR’s, 10-14 % foreign($$$)students. So, for instance, had my son applied from Nebraska/Alaska/New Mexico, he would have gotten in to every elite U he applied to….because he is in the top 1% in ability.

    So, it’s not just an Asian quota, it is a WASP/WASC quota, too….no matter how smart you are. And, that’s the sad part. How does an elite U benefit from not admitting the most gifted (test scores) and talented students to its freshmen class? Where is the benefit of accepting mediocre students ( taking in to account IQ: SAT/ACT/AP scores) and how many remedial courses had to be established (paid for) with adjunct (lowest paid) professors for these kids to learn how to write and take Algebra 2! – no kidding.

    I understand the point of the “social engineering” idea….taking a chance on a kid who may not have the math & writing scores (however, many of these students drop out of Harvard & Co.) ….that they may become “somebody.” The movement to find a way to decrease the wealth gap has been going on since the late 80′s…and, this post is long enough (Ha!) as to why I think this. The achievement gap is sort of the Bete Noire for SJWs in the higher ed.

    I’ve told all the brilliant kids I know these days: go to the U that gives you the most amount of money. Don’t look back – it’s a fracking B.A. – and, with no loans, Grad school is affordable after you get state residency…or you get a really good “fellowship.”

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    Just wanted to add that the "Honors College," that State U's and "less elite U's" have added onto to their campuses are wonderful. My cousin (taught at Ivy/other Elite US U's/tenured in Europe) said, " a B.A. is just a B.A....seriously, who takes a 22-year-old grad seriously?" Kid you not! And, if you are a brilliant computer scientist, U's may not matter. Undergraduate degrees are just that; UNDER.
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  180. Keypusher says:
    @Alice
    You haven't seen the education in private schools.

    It's the same garbage as in public schools already. No phonics instruction, just whole language. No grammar instruction, just journaling with your own spelling errors and grammatical errors left uncorrected, practiced until permanent. The math is constructivist garbage. The science is SjW leftist ecoterrorist nonsense. The history and literature are just SJW/white guilt 100% of the time.

    Abolishing those schools won't improve the public ones. The public ones have already wrecked the private ones.

    My daughter goes to a private school in Manhattan and I don’t recognize your description. She’s become a big Jane Austen fan based on school reading. She’s a much better writer than I was at her age and is several grades ahead of where I was in math.

    She’s in 7th grade now and I honestly don’t know if they taught phonics or not. It didn’t matter.

    There is a pretty heavy social-justice/civil rights component to her English class, but that is not new. When I was in elementary school I thought the two greatest scientists in history were Einstein and George Washington Carver — I was bused to a school bearing his name.

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  181. @Almost Missouri
    I'm guessing you live in a non-vibrant school district.

    It’s completely average in test scores, but above average in transgender promotion. So vibrant or not, I’d rather put my kids in private schools I know are not pro-WWT.

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  182. @Jewish Conservative Race Realist
    Wife and I are avoiding the bidding war by agreeing to home school. The plan is that, when the time comes, she stays home and schools the children, and I chip in on math and science days.

    Then we can live anywhere. We do worry about our kids getting enough normal interaction with other kids, but the poz at public schools - even "good" schools - is so strong now that we can't condone it by sending our own children there. In addition to despising the state approved indoctrination program, we'd prefer our kids to associate with the children of other families that we've vetted. Really, the fact that we don't have to buy an expensive McMansion to do this is a side-benefit. Perhaps we'll spend the money we saved on a ranch.

    Public school is dead. Dead! The country is too vibrantly diverse now. Most whites will not willingly send their children to black or "diverse" schools. Like real estate, that is where preference is revealed.

    By the way, I think there's a big future in crowd-sourced co-schooling arrangements. Like AirBnb or Meetup.com for homeschooling parents who want to share the workload. Public schools is dead!

    All the successful homeschoolers I know have older children who weren’t homeschooled or household help. Just something to keep in mind.

    Also, a lot of homeschoolers are very resistant to pooling resources. Something else to keep in mind. If you find some who aren’t, stick to them like glue.

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  183. @dc.sunsets
    I anticipate my three sons (25-31 today) will have 2-4 kids each. (I already have 3 grandkids.)

    Given my kids are all 140 IQ (give or take) and their wives are all quite bright, we're doing our part.

    Instead of idiocracy, maybe it will be Time Machine (only with pretty morlocks and ugly eloi.)

    The demographic projection data suggests 2 apiece, or a total of six. But individuals aren’t groups.

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  184. @Kristen
    I'm a professor. Recently I had a discussion with my students (sophomores and juniors) about their ideals and future goals. The most religious of kids (Mormons and Christians) wanted large families. One Catholic kid said he wanted ten children! The most secular kids, interestingly, also wanted children. Most said they wanted three. Two said they didn't want any.

    If I was asked as a college student if I wanted kids, I would have said, "NO." I had three.

    I wonder, then, if these kids are going to have larger families than we expect.

    By the way, this class was entirely white.

    Not very likely, too many things making it very difficult to have more than four and those things are structural, so not likely to change in the next generation or two. Even Mormons and Catholics are down to three as the norm instead of 5-6.

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  185. Lagertha says:
    @Lagertha
    Whaaa? I have "medicine head" right now, so am not sure where you're goin' with this ? And, I may say stupid things that make no sense at this time.

    OK: My feeling, for many years (and I am only coming from MY experience) of my sons & friends who fall under the WASP, WASC category - they're not accepted at Elite U's. So, judging on what happened to them (they were all in the .1% of math/science ability nationally,...a few in language arts, also), as far as college admissions, confirms my feeling that it is ALL b.s. now, AND, Asians, included. We just can't have too many smart Asians and smart white guys walking among those Ivy covered halls...this is what I feel is going on.

    I have sooo much knowledge (can't divulge) about Elite U admissions these last 8-10 years (when just fracking, stuff changed) about the selection system in place, including (in my opinion) keeping an Asian threshold that you speak about. Full disclosure: because one of my sons is a fencer, he has always had MANY Asian friends, and during that awful college admissions process (he is graduating from U now), I can tell you that I had many conversations with my Asian mom-squad at fencing tournaments ( I am, duh, not Asian..unless going back to THE GREAT MIGRATION) about how weird the elite schools were, and why would they not accept our brilliant children????? Some of my "squad" moms did get the "Golden Ticket" to an elite U..but it often had to do with the fact that their son was a National Champion in his weapon...or at least, in the top 5.

    The Elite U's are practicing a kinda' "social engineering policy/socialism," meaning, they will accept a certain quota of Asians ( M & F) and a certain quota of white, male WASP's & WASC's...but VERY restricted (athletes/football players are exempt). They will fill every freshmen class with 50% URM's/geographical UR's, sexual orientation UR's, 10-14 % foreign($$$)students. So, for instance, had my son applied from Nebraska/Alaska/New Mexico, he would have gotten in to every elite U he applied to....because he is in the top 1% in ability.

    So, it's not just an Asian quota, it is a WASP/WASC quota, too....no matter how smart you are. And, that's the sad part. How does an elite U benefit from not admitting the most gifted (test scores) and talented students to its freshmen class? Where is the benefit of accepting mediocre students ( taking in to account IQ: SAT/ACT/AP scores) and how many remedial courses had to be established (paid for) with adjunct (lowest paid) professors for these kids to learn how to write and take Algebra 2! - no kidding.

    I understand the point of the "social engineering" idea....taking a chance on a kid who may not have the math & writing scores (however, many of these students drop out of Harvard & Co.) ....that they may become "somebody." The movement to find a way to decrease the wealth gap has been going on since the late 80's...and, this post is long enough (Ha!) as to why I think this. The achievement gap is sort of the Bete Noire for SJWs in the higher ed.

    I've told all the brilliant kids I know these days: go to the U that gives you the most amount of money. Don't look back - it's a fracking B.A. - and, with no loans, Grad school is affordable after you get state residency...or you get a really good "fellowship."

    Just wanted to add that the “Honors College,” that State U’s and “less elite U’s” have added onto to their campuses are wonderful. My cousin (taught at Ivy/other Elite US U’s/tenured in Europe) said, ” a B.A. is just a B.A….seriously, who takes a 22-year-old grad seriously?” Kid you not! And, if you are a brilliant computer scientist, U’s may not matter. Undergraduate degrees are just that; UNDER.

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  186. @27 year old
    If running and hiding are out of the question, whites will homeschool or we will fight. Either or both of those would be fine with me.

    Homeschooling is crumbling under the weight of the structural obstacles to family formation.

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  187. @AP
    Well, our excellent public school district in a wealthy northeastern suburb offers four years of Latin and three years of Classical Greek, employs several Ph.D.'s (and not in "education"), a guy who had graduated from Harvard and who worked in a high position on one of the presidential campaign teaching social studies, foreign exchange programs to China (the school also offers Mandarin), Europe and Africa, and sends dozens of kids into the Ivies every year. I can't imagine a typical private school being better. For a parent, it's certainly worth the property tax which is probably recouped in property value.

    Luckily I can get all those things from Christian private schools at a fraction of the cost and a third of the property tax hit.

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    That's great. Around here, the private schools I've seen on the level of our public school cost over 30 grand a year which is much higher than the extra property tax I pay by living in my town. The differences between these private schools and our public one are rather trivial: our public school doesn't offer polo as a sport, for example.

    The local Catholic high school charges 14k per year tuition, but it seems to be weaker than all these other schools (fewer Ph.D.'s among faculty, it offers Latin but not Greek).

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  188. Lagertha says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I read a new 800 page AP History textbook a decade ago: zero mention of battle tactics in 800 pages to get boys interested.

    at our bi-annual sale of “good used stuff”- kid’s things at our primary school (I’m almost done..almost putting house on market, but I still have a shit-ton of Legos/K’nex/Erector and kids’s books to get out of the fracking basement), 3 years ago, they decreed: No more ‘violence toys/war toys/play guns of any kind to be part of the sale.

    All war-like stuff has been shockingly (how do they cover Battle of the Bulge or Hiroshima?) deleted (left out) of AP History books. It is so ridiculous, and really stupid. My brother always said Americans are morons!

    My feeling is: These American SWPL people who edit AP History books, have never understood history…they don’t have a family member who was military. (check on that, Steve…might be big fun – maybe we can be ‘winning’ if my wild-ass idea is correct!) I can’t wait to put the house on the market and fly away, btw – almost empty nesters! But, our public school was amazing…still an outlier, but the days are numbered for our town school system.

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  189. @Jewish Conservative Race Realist
    Wife and I are avoiding the bidding war by agreeing to home school. The plan is that, when the time comes, she stays home and schools the children, and I chip in on math and science days.

    Then we can live anywhere. We do worry about our kids getting enough normal interaction with other kids, but the poz at public schools - even "good" schools - is so strong now that we can't condone it by sending our own children there. In addition to despising the state approved indoctrination program, we'd prefer our kids to associate with the children of other families that we've vetted. Really, the fact that we don't have to buy an expensive McMansion to do this is a side-benefit. Perhaps we'll spend the money we saved on a ranch.

    Public school is dead. Dead! The country is too vibrantly diverse now. Most whites will not willingly send their children to black or "diverse" schools. Like real estate, that is where preference is revealed.

    By the way, I think there's a big future in crowd-sourced co-schooling arrangements. Like AirBnb or Meetup.com for homeschooling parents who want to share the workload. Public schools is dead!

    Can you define this term “poz” that’s been showing up in the alt-right lately? I usually rely on the Urban Dictionary to keep up, but it defines it as “Term embraced by those who are HIV positive, particularly common in the gay community.”

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    Poz is the icky cultural marxism of the mainstream.

    It's Davos, Zuckerberg, the corporate Twitter rainbow-flag parade, Google doodles, Tubman twenties, and World War T (http://www.advocate.com/politics/2016/4/13/heres-all-business-nc-has-lost-because-anti-lgbt-bill.

    I think the name gained usage because it calls to mind a dysfunctional gay subculture by appropriating their own term. And remembering the inconvenient fact of gay dysfunction is something that really annoys pozzed people.
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  190. AP says:
    @The Practical Conservative
    Luckily I can get all those things from Christian private schools at a fraction of the cost and a third of the property tax hit.

    That’s great. Around here, the private schools I’ve seen on the level of our public school cost over 30 grand a year which is much higher than the extra property tax I pay by living in my town. The differences between these private schools and our public one are rather trivial: our public school doesn’t offer polo as a sport, for example.

    The local Catholic high school charges 14k per year tuition, but it seems to be weaker than all these other schools (fewer Ph.D.’s among faculty, it offers Latin but not Greek).

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  191. AP says:
    @Alice
    You said

    When your kids are in a local public school you are more organically connected with your community, a value conservatives should appreciate.
     
    This has the causality reversed. Neighborhoods used to exist because they were monocultural. With everyone basically with the same cultural values, going to the same corner church, and with moms at home, you could let your kid go to the local public school or Catholic school and be connected to that community because it was just an outgrowth if your community.

    Nowadays, neighborhoods don't exist in that way. Most don't have enough stay at home wives for kids to be playing after school. So they are bedroom communities. Often, they are "vibrant" so no one would want their kid playing with the other kids anyway. The corner church is empty or closed.

    So the "neighborhood" school has become a replacement community. Parents throw tons of time, talent and treasure at their local public school because they hope that school has parents who value what they value. But of course, the "neighborhood" of the achool is a giant boundary with its own "vibrancy" baked in. The parents then spend enormous resources navigating that school to find those whose valurs match their own.

    They are also stuck-- unable to complain for fear it will destroy their belonging or their kids' belonging in the community. No one pushes back. No one wants to be the bigot or bully. Next then you know, transgender bathrooms and locker rooms. And you're a bigot if you complain. The private school allows you a tiny chance to vote with your wallet and feet.

    Nowadays, neighborhoods don’t exist in that way. Most don’t have enough stay at home wives for kids to be playing after school. So they are bedroom communities. Often, they are “vibrant” so no one would want their kid playing with the other kids anyway. The corner church is empty or closed.

    This sounds like a sprawl lifestyle. Wealthy northeastern towns (and there are rare similar ones in the Midwest, such as Grosse Pointe) aren’t sprawling. In our town, the kids walk to elementary school, and after school when we go to the playground they often meet classmates who live around. I work flexible hours and sometimes come to school activities – I see plenty of stay-at-home moms (some with advanced degrees from good schools, taking a break). I don’t have time for PTA but it seems housewives are involved in it.

    I go to an ethnic church in a different town but the local churches seem to be busy, although given this part of the country they tend to be liberal Congregational or Episcopalian churches.

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    So as long as your highly statistically anomalous area is fine, there's no problem? Too bad for the people who can't afford 700k houses on one income I guess?
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  192. @AP

    Nowadays, neighborhoods don’t exist in that way. Most don’t have enough stay at home wives for kids to be playing after school. So they are bedroom communities. Often, they are “vibrant” so no one would want their kid playing with the other kids anyway. The corner church is empty or closed.
     
    This sounds like a sprawl lifestyle. Wealthy northeastern towns (and there are rare similar ones in the Midwest, such as Grosse Pointe) aren't sprawling. In our town, the kids walk to elementary school, and after school when we go to the playground they often meet classmates who live around. I work flexible hours and sometimes come to school activities - I see plenty of stay-at-home moms (some with advanced degrees from good schools, taking a break). I don't have time for PTA but it seems housewives are involved in it.

    I go to an ethnic church in a different town but the local churches seem to be busy, although given this part of the country they tend to be liberal Congregational or Episcopalian churches.

    So as long as your highly statistically anomalous area is fine, there’s no problem? Too bad for the people who can’t afford 700k houses on one income I guess?

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    The northeast is indeed fairly expensive, but in the midwest, Grosse Pointe has many houses in the 200k range (which is above average for metro Detroit but not unattainable). It has excellent public schools and community and despite being right next to Detroit crime rate is lower than that in some sprawling suburbs such as Sterling Heights.
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  193. artichoke says:
    @Anonymous
    I would support regional mega schools. I would also abolish private schools as it violates civil rights. This would leave white people with no place to run and hide. This would ensure more investment for the underprivileged and a better educated populace.

    No, private schools do not violate civil rights. Otherwise they would not be operating today. You may have a different opinion, but you were probably only taught the “Brown v. Board of Ed.” decision which has been legally mostly obsolete for over 40 years.

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  194. @Anonymous Nephew
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/2010/02/16/the-left-s-top-25-journalists.html#viewAll

    Roissy tweets that "Conservatively, I count (((16/25)))"

    It’s a little out of date but would probably not be much different now. It is striking that the traits that make one a “top journalist” on the left are not objectivity or experience, but rigid dogmatism. The article even chides one of the lower-placing winners for being less “dogmatic”. They are not so much reporters as proselytic apostles of a fake religion. One might wish the 16/25 would go back to their ancestral real religion and leave off the pharisaicly misguided tikkun olam stuff.

    Few of these “top journalists” have ever held a real job. They just graduate from college directly into telling other people what to think. The #1 winner does have a sort of real job–he’s a comedian. In fact, he still has this job. He’s not a journalist at all, but journalist impersonating a comedian (his self-description).

    Also, homosexuals of various stripes seem massively overrepresented: perhaps a quarter, or about ten times their representation in the population at large. Have these people never heard of disparate impact?

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    Ooops ... should say "a comedian impersonating a journalist"
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  195. @TheJester
    Is the Issue Immigration ... or Standards?

    I'm writing as someone who has moved multiple times and heavily invested in better neighborhoods and schools for, first, our sons and now, our grandson. It works ... it really works!

    In the 1990s, we abandoned southern California due to the deteriorating neighborhoods and schools associated with the Hispanic invasion and the migration of Black gangs to the suburbs. As is always the case, the culture and schools went "south" due to the social anarchy associated with multiculturalism. We later paid a fortune to put our oldest son in a private engineering school in Silicon Valley to keep him away from the infectious culture in California public universities. (How can you keep your son way from drugs at a public university when the professors are doing drugs?)

    Now in 2016, we are paying a fortune to put our grandson in a upscale pre-K in Northern Virginia; he'll stay for the private kindergarten next year. The fees are equivalent to an exclusive private high school. Regarding demographics, approximately 75% of the students are White. The rest tend to be Hindi or Asian; there are very few Blacks or Hispanics. The teacher/student ratio is two professional adult teachers for 16 pre-K students. Our grandson is thriving. At five years of age and only eight months in school, he knows the alphabet, can add numbers, spell words, and is starting to read. He has mastered the iPhone and iPad and is proficient in Microsoft Word to practice spelling and simple sentence construction.

    Flashback! The son who attended the private engineering school in Silicon Valley also has his daughter in pre-K in an exclusive private school in Silicon Valley. Same demographics. It is essentially a White/Asian school.

    The question is, Why have we invested so heavily in private education over the years? First, I had the privilege of a private education in Catholic schools; I experienced the difference. Second, when you notice the cultural and social collapse in contemporary society associated with integration, multiculturalism, and diversity, you can't afford not to. You pay to segregate your children and grandchildren from the mess.

    As for the social engineering experiments to uplift poor-performing minority and immigrant populations in a multicultural stew, we're not interested. They are risky experiments in your children and grandchildren's futures with an extremely high rate of failure.

    Please note, Asians and Hindis also seem to understand and appreciate the alternative, high-investment strategy in a child's education and future. They are immigrants, so the issue is not immigration but rather standards. For their children, the Asian and Hindi communities seem happy to partake in and pay for the best that traditional White culture can provide. No hostile demands on their part for multicultural standards as sops to racial, ethnic, and gender diversity.

    “It works … it really works!”

    “moved multiple times and heavily invested in better neighborhoods and schools for, first, our sons and now, our grandson”

    “We later paid a fortune to put our oldest son in a private engineering school”

    “Now in 2016, we are paying a fortune to put our grandson in a upscale pre-K…”

    Great stuff … if you can afford it. Fewer and fewer can. Hence The Great Middle Class Massacre.

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    Oh, I get it now. Irony.

    You have to admit, these days it's hard to tell.
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  196. @Anonymous
    I understand this problem - my daughter just moved to get her children into a better school district.

    There are 2 problems here, and one can be fixed easily. The biggest problem with bad schools is the parents and students, and that is a hard problem.

    The easy problem is the resource differential between high and low income school districts. This is an easy problem - equalize spending per student in every district in the State, as most countries do. It is just a historical accident that school funding comes from local property taxes.

    “It is just a historical accident that school funding comes from local property taxes.”

    By “historical accident”, you mean that the Constitution reserves education to the States? And rightly so. Everything the federal DoE touches it destroys.

    Even if it didn’t require an (unwise) Constitutional amendment, spending equalization would cause immediate implosion in every urban black public school, as they are typically above-average funded.

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  197. @Formerly CARealist
    The maternal instinct is genocidal.

    I'm exposed to so many interesting ideas on this site. However, I know plenty of parents who are rank liberals. Is it just that they want to wipe out the children of conservatives?

    Are those “rank liberals” in diverse neighborhoods/schools or majority white ones? If diverse, do they have plans to move/change?

    What liberals preach and what they do are unconnected. See the comments elsewhere on this this post referring to the NYC libs desperately dodging their school’s rezoning to minority-majority.

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  198. @Anon
    I have always felt you could do a lot in black schools if all you do is demand an hour of recess with very vigorous playing in mid-morning, followed by another hour of recess in mid-afternoon, also with lots of vigorous exercise. It'll tire the hyper little bastards out and make them more docile in class. Until whites recognize that blacks are different and need to expend energy, they'll never understand how to discipline blacks. The reduced time spent on classroom work won't hurt blacks because they have a reduced capacity for learning and a lower IQ anyway. The amount you can cram into their heads won't be any less than if they studied all day long.

    Hmm … in the majority black school I attended as a child, there were 20-30 minute recesses AM and PM, including “vigorous exercise”, i.e., wildness reliably culminating in fistfights, which then had to be broken up by the teachers. And the school did quite well by majority-black standards. So … maybe.

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  199. @Massimo Heitor

    This is one issue that I really have no solutions for.

    The situation is going to get way worse considering White millennials tend to have 1 to 2 kids max if any.
     
    How about the obvious solution: Raise white birth rates. Israel successfully raised Jewish birth rates and suppressed Arab birth rates. The technology involved is rather low tech.

    In Israel the government is in the hands of those supporting the ethnic majority.

    In the US the government is in the hands of those opposing the ethnic majority.

    Q.E.D.

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    It is not primarily actions of the government that have increased the Jewish birth rate in Israel.

    It is primarily a realization on the part of the people that they risk returning to the situation of being a minority ruled by a Muslim majority if they don't increase the birth rate. Remember that most Jews in Israel have grandparents or great grandparents who were Dhimmis somewhere in the Arab / Muslim world. They know what it is like and they don't want to go back to it.

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  200. @Jim Christian
    Mixing the coffee with the cream only drags down the cream, it does not improve the coffee. It's a question of mean IQ and abilities and rate of learning and it is obviously tied to race, that is, the Dindu just don't pack the IQ to do schoolwork at the pace of Whites, Asians and Jews. Nonetheless, to get around Liberals, you can get around the race issue if you group by IQ and ignore RACE.

    If the lower IQs need learning at the rate of the kids on the short bus, so be it. If the kids of lesser IQ are too stupid to understand they need schooling, send the little bastards to work camps until such time as they decide they like the idea of schooling. Violent or misbehave? Work camps or reform school. Then, back to school to your assigned IQ group. An awful lot of it is breaking the violent, low IQ miscreants away from well behaved, if low IQ kids. It is the miscreants that taunt those who try with accusations of "acting White" after all. Do away with them, they're toxic. The violent are dealt down the tube ruthlessly, a few examples, problem solved. But no..

    The kids of higher IQ, regardless of race, learn at the pace of like IQ and of course, there will be no nonsense from them in any case.

    What is so difficult?

    “What is so difficult?”

    What is so difficult, Dear Jim, is that your eminently sensible plan must overcome our modern religions (I am not being metaphorical) of Diversity and Equalism.

    Step One to almost everything else is

    1) Discredit Diversity and Equalism.

    2) Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness.

    But you can’t have 2) without 1).

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  201. @Alice
    You said

    When your kids are in a local public school you are more organically connected with your community, a value conservatives should appreciate.
     
    This has the causality reversed. Neighborhoods used to exist because they were monocultural. With everyone basically with the same cultural values, going to the same corner church, and with moms at home, you could let your kid go to the local public school or Catholic school and be connected to that community because it was just an outgrowth if your community.

    Nowadays, neighborhoods don't exist in that way. Most don't have enough stay at home wives for kids to be playing after school. So they are bedroom communities. Often, they are "vibrant" so no one would want their kid playing with the other kids anyway. The corner church is empty or closed.

    So the "neighborhood" school has become a replacement community. Parents throw tons of time, talent and treasure at their local public school because they hope that school has parents who value what they value. But of course, the "neighborhood" of the achool is a giant boundary with its own "vibrancy" baked in. The parents then spend enormous resources navigating that school to find those whose valurs match their own.

    They are also stuck-- unable to complain for fear it will destroy their belonging or their kids' belonging in the community. No one pushes back. No one wants to be the bigot or bully. Next then you know, transgender bathrooms and locker rooms. And you're a bigot if you complain. The private school allows you a tiny chance to vote with your wallet and feet.

    “They are also stuck– unable to complain for fear it will destroy their belonging or their kids’ belonging in the community.”

    That’s why I do complain. If you don’t complain you’ve preemptively signed everything away. And this is your kids we’re talking about.

    I don’t rant. I am polite but firm. I point out foreseeable consequences. I identify decision-makers and communicate in ways that leave an obvious paper trail. Most administrators are risk-averse and do not want to embark on a course where there is a written record of foreseeable problems. I cultivate allies wherever I find them. Mostly, I just remind them I (with others) am watching, and imply I have have legal/political/media connections to make them regret errors. (I don’t actually, but like I said, risk-averse.)

    Does this always work? No. Does it work enough? Yes? Am I popular? Not with everyone. Are there those who refuse to talk with me and only show me their backs in public? Yes. Did my kid suffer any blowback? Maybe a little. Was it worth it? Yes.

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    I agree we have to fight. But we've hit the inflection point, and we are losing faster than ever. Dense pack theory. Only the permanent SJWs with their Soros funding can permanently agitate. Those of us with lives can't spend the time and money to do so, and we woyld llse anyway, because the end goal is already determined before rhe game starts. To paraphrase GWB, we have to stop them every time. the SJWs only have to succeed once. And of they do they get their bike or light rail or transgender bathroom policy.
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  202. @Anonycat
    Maybe the steveosphere can help here.

    Let's say there's a municipal election this November in a small East Coast town with high property taxes, a very good school system, 85% white, and an incumbent Democrat mayor whom a Republican is trying to beat. The traditional GOP anti-tax platform may not work, according to the article, because the upper middle class white majority has chosen to live in this town and pay high taxes to avoid schools full of NAMs and thus unconsciously accepts their high tax bill as a barrier to entry to the community. (Let's assume another reason it won't work is there's a 2% cap that a portly gentleman in our capital legislated a few years back.) My own experience seems to bear out this strange but not strange acceptance of taxes.

    Therefore, with the understanding that the BOE and town hall are separate entities creating separate budgets, what strategy could a GOP candidate use to win an election without falling into the "your taxes are too high" "yeah but our schools and good and white" death spiral?

    I would be grateful for serious suggestions.

    “small East Coast town with high property taxes, a very good school system, 85% white, and an incumbent Democrat mayor”

    Is that so bad? Why does the Dem need to pushed out of office?

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  203. @Almost Missouri
    It's a little out of date but would probably not be much different now. It is striking that the traits that make one a "top journalist" on the left are not objectivity or experience, but rigid dogmatism. The article even chides one of the lower-placing winners for being less "dogmatic". They are not so much reporters as proselytic apostles of a fake religion. One might wish the 16/25 would go back to their ancestral real religion and leave off the pharisaicly misguided tikkun olam stuff.

    Few of these "top journalists" have ever held a real job. They just graduate from college directly into telling other people what to think. The #1 winner does have a sort of real job--he's a comedian. In fact, he still has this job. He's not a journalist at all, but journalist impersonating a comedian (his self-description).

    Also, homosexuals of various stripes seem massively overrepresented: perhaps a quarter, or about ten times their representation in the population at large. Have these people never heard of disparate impact?

    Ooops … should say “a comedian impersonating a journalist”

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  204. @Harry Baldwin
    Can you define this term "poz" that's been showing up in the alt-right lately? I usually rely on the Urban Dictionary to keep up, but it defines it as "Term embraced by those who are HIV positive, particularly common in the gay community."

    Poz is the icky cultural marxism of the mainstream.

    It’s Davos, Zuckerberg, the corporate Twitter rainbow-flag parade, Google doodles, Tubman twenties, and World War T (http://www.advocate.com/politics/2016/4/13/heres-all-business-nc-has-lost-because-anti-lgbt-bill.

    I think the name gained usage because it calls to mind a dysfunctional gay subculture by appropriating their own term. And remembering the inconvenient fact of gay dysfunction is something that really annoys pozzed people.

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    Thank you, I appreciate the explanation.
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  205. TheJester says:

    There used to be two equalizing experiences in American society … (1) the public school system and (2) the military. Both experiences exposed immigrant populations to the common culture of the WASP national experience. Italian and Irish Catholics might have remained Catholic, but they lost their accents and melted into the “melting pot”. They become neo-WASPS and didn’t even know it. Both of these experiences are now gone with the end of the draft and the retreat into ethnic and religious enclaves that include ethnic schools.

    The end of the draft ended the equalizing experience for American males where southerners, northerners, and New Yorkers got to know each other. No more need be said: It’s gone.

    Now, American schools are becoming ethic in the name of diversity. The general demand is that the school systems represent their communities. It the community is Black, you hire Black teachers and staff. If the community is Somalian, you hire Somali teachers and staff. If you have to replace large numbers of highly qualified and experienced White teachers to pull this off, you do it without regard for the consequences.

    From the media:

    Loudoun Now, 2/2/2016. The NAACP is threatening legal action against the Loudoun County, VA, school system so that the county’s teachers look like the students they teach. The student body is 48% minority; only 12% of the teachers and staff are “minorities”. The country tracks 25 ethnic backgrounds, including one called “American”. The county is planning to hire a personnel specialist to target diversity recruitment.

    The Census Bureau reports the that as of 2014, 58.8% of Loudoun County’s population are White, 17.3% Asian, 13.4% Hispanic, and 7.8% Black. The Blacks and Hispanics tend to congregate in ethnic enclaves based on income, which means that if the NAACP gets its wish, the Black communities will get Black schools and the Hispanic communities will get Hispanic schools. Best of luck! This doesn’t seem to be a good formula for integrating minorities and recent immigrants into the mainstream.

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    Don't forget that many school districts are now adding ethnic studies classes.

    I can't speak for the state of Virginia but as state teacher certification standards are raised it is increasingly difficult for blacks and Hispanics to earn teaching credentials. Once a teacher, blacks are more likely to quit. If they are one of few black teachers they don't like being called on every time there is a "black" issue. If a black teacher is in a school with lots of black teachers that means lots of black students so the teacher quits due to behavior problems.

    The NAACP can sue and they will lose. Nationwide more than 80 percent teachers are white. On the other hand, DC Metro is ripe for a lawsuit with its employees being 97 percent black.


    https://youtu.be/ad75ahK2z60
    , @artichoke
    Black school with black teachers, hispanic school with hispanic teachers, that's OK. Then when the kids fail, nobody can blame whitey.

    Any more, that's all I care about. Freedom from such entanglements.
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  206. biz says:
    @Almost Missouri
    In Israel the government is in the hands of those supporting the ethnic majority.

    In the US the government is in the hands of those opposing the ethnic majority.

    Q.E.D.

    It is not primarily actions of the government that have increased the Jewish birth rate in Israel.

    It is primarily a realization on the part of the people that they risk returning to the situation of being a minority ruled by a Muslim majority if they don’t increase the birth rate. Remember that most Jews in Israel have grandparents or great grandparents who were Dhimmis somewhere in the Arab / Muslim world. They know what it is like and they don’t want to go back to it.

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    Yes, to a certain extent the population of each country can procreate as it pleases, but the Israeli state successfully enables more procreation (among the majority) with policies like subsidies and housing rules, while the American state successfully suppresses procreation (among the majority) with policies like school and neighborhood destruction.
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  207. […] this gleefully subversive thought experiment, Steve Sailer proposes that it would be in the best interest of children from low socio-economic, […]

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  208. Alice says:
    @artichoke
    It's what the budding communists in schools of education are told students must "know and be able to do." It's what the accreditors look for -- and private schools surely have to toe the line even more than public ones with the accreditors.

    Homeschooling thru 5th grade seems the best option now. Then pop back to the public schools once you're past the combination of mind control and babysitting from teachers who are not good at any subject, that is elementary school.

    Middle school is a disaster. You can’t put them in then. Middle schools can’t find competent math teachers even capable of doing fractions and decimals, let alone teaching it. No middle school teacher knows grammar. And the SJW communism is very heavy in middle school.
    Homeschooling through middle school and maybe beyond using college courses and online programs, I think, is the only option.

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    Alice,

    You couldn't be more right on. Middle school/Junior High is actually a complete waste of time. You could keep your kids home and let them watch youtube videos on random subjects and they'd learn more.

    also, the sexual tension at that age just screams aloud for sex segregation. to quote Hilary Clinton, "will anyone listen?"
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  209. @Anonymous
    I would support regional mega schools. I would also abolish private schools as it violates civil rights. This would leave white people with no place to run and hide. This would ensure more investment for the underprivileged and a better educated populace.

    Screw you, Howie.

    Adding blacks drives DOWN white student achievement.

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/diversity.htm

    If you want to sacrifice your kiddies to the godless cult of equality, be my guest.

    If you want to sacrifice my grandkids on that altar I have a cement overcoat in need of an occupant.

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  210. @biz
    Then we would be going to something called "Harvard" which does not provide anywhere near the education, much less the research opportunities, that the Harvard that we know does.

    >2016
    >still believing the “education” is better at the Ivy League schools

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  211. Alice says:
    @Almost Missouri
    "They are also stuck– unable to complain for fear it will destroy their belonging or their kids’ belonging in the community."

    That's why I do complain. If you don't complain you've preemptively signed everything away. And this is your kids we're talking about.

    I don't rant. I am polite but firm. I point out foreseeable consequences. I identify decision-makers and communicate in ways that leave an obvious paper trail. Most administrators are risk-averse and do not want to embark on a course where there is a written record of foreseeable problems. I cultivate allies wherever I find them. Mostly, I just remind them I (with others) am watching, and imply I have have legal/political/media connections to make them regret errors. (I don't actually, but like I said, risk-averse.)

    Does this always work? No. Does it work enough? Yes? Am I popular? Not with everyone. Are there those who refuse to talk with me and only show me their backs in public? Yes. Did my kid suffer any blowback? Maybe a little. Was it worth it? Yes.

    I agree we have to fight. But we’ve hit the inflection point, and we are losing faster than ever. Dense pack theory. Only the permanent SJWs with their Soros funding can permanently agitate. Those of us with lives can’t spend the time and money to do so, and we woyld llse anyway, because the end goal is already determined before rhe game starts. To paraphrase GWB, we have to stop them every time. the SJWs only have to succeed once. And of they do they get their bike or light rail or transgender bathroom policy.

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    Yes, the playing field is tilted against us in every way.

    All we have is the truth.

    I will keep fighting.
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  212. My fiancée and I watched Precious last night; suffice to say we were both quasi-traumatised (amazing movie though).

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  213. @TheJester
    There used to be two equalizing experiences in American society ... (1) the public school system and (2) the military. Both experiences exposed immigrant populations to the common culture of the WASP national experience. Italian and Irish Catholics might have remained Catholic, but they lost their accents and melted into the "melting pot". They become neo-WASPS and didn't even know it. Both of these experiences are now gone with the end of the draft and the retreat into ethnic and religious enclaves that include ethnic schools.

    The end of the draft ended the equalizing experience for American males where southerners, northerners, and New Yorkers got to know each other. No more need be said: It's gone.

    Now, American schools are becoming ethic in the name of diversity. The general demand is that the school systems represent their communities. It the community is Black, you hire Black teachers and staff. If the community is Somalian, you hire Somali teachers and staff. If you have to replace large numbers of highly qualified and experienced White teachers to pull this off, you do it without regard for the consequences.

    From the media:

    Loudoun Now, 2/2/2016. The NAACP is threatening legal action against the Loudoun County, VA, school system so that the county's teachers look like the students they teach. The student body is 48% minority; only 12% of the teachers and staff are "minorities". The country tracks 25 ethnic backgrounds, including one called "American". The county is planning to hire a personnel specialist to target diversity recruitment.

    The Census Bureau reports the that as of 2014, 58.8% of Loudoun County's population are White, 17.3% Asian, 13.4% Hispanic, and 7.8% Black. The Blacks and Hispanics tend to congregate in ethnic enclaves based on income, which means that if the NAACP gets its wish, the Black communities will get Black schools and the Hispanic communities will get Hispanic schools. Best of luck! This doesn't seem to be a good formula for integrating minorities and recent immigrants into the mainstream.

    Don’t forget that many school districts are now adding ethnic studies classes.

    I can’t speak for the state of Virginia but as state teacher certification standards are raised it is increasingly difficult for blacks and Hispanics to earn teaching credentials. Once a teacher, blacks are more likely to quit. If they are one of few black teachers they don’t like being called on every time there is a “black” issue. If a black teacher is in a school with lots of black teachers that means lots of black students so the teacher quits due to behavior problems.

    The NAACP can sue and they will lose. Nationwide more than 80 percent teachers are white. On the other hand, DC Metro is ripe for a lawsuit with its employees being 97 percent black.

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  214. @Daniel Williams

    You are all such cynics here, peer-reviewed studies show that nice white-lady teachers like this will turn the tide.
     
    Funny article. The author's assertion that "many of our students are what most Americans would define as starving" is pretty jaw-dropping given obesity rates among 2- to 4-year-olds from low-income families in Minnesota (see http://stateofobesity.org/states/mn/) I guess starving ain't what it used to be.

    Also, I love when grade school teachers refer to themselves as "educators". Really makes it sound grand, don't you think?

    obesity rates among 2- to 4-year-olds from low-income families in Minnesota…

    I see the occasional fat white or even Asian kid, but almost never an African one. This preschool obesity must be concentrated in the Hispanic and black American population.

    The Asians and Africans hold on to their own cuisines, which tend not to bloat one. Latins, in contrast, pick up the very worst of our dollar-store diet. Whites are somewhere in the middle, and with them it depends a lot on social (not economic) class.

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  215. @dc.sunsets

    they still were majority black and dysfunctional.
     
    they were majority African and mirrored conditions in Africa.

    (I think I fixed it for you.)

    Low-trust societies do not rub up against high-trust societies without bad abrasion.

    If the arithmetic mean IQ of Americans who identify as black is 86, it means that in most interactions between groups of blacks and whites the blacks will often feel like they're on the outside of a very big inside joke.

    This is amplified by Affirmative Action, which puts barely qualified blacks into an environment made even MORE selective for the whites and East Asians who get in. At every level, we see that grouping people by anything other than merit+culture produces anger and resentment. The KC school experiment was even worse: Blacks were told they had everything, so when the outcomes failed to change, the rage had to be vented on a scapegoat. Confronting race reality was then (and remains) blasphemy in the Cultists' Cathedral.

    Imagine a four-square box, x axis is intellectual merit, y axis is culture (black to white.) Two quadrants will be heavily populated, two will be very sparsely populated.

    Leftist, Equalist Cultists INSIST on forcing those two disparate quadrants shoulder-to-shoulder.

    Why this was ever considered a good idea escapes me. It's as though the MultiCulturalists couldn't actually tell the difference between multiple cultures.

    dc.sunsets said, “It’s as though the MultiCulturalists couldn’t actually tell the difference between multiple cultures.”

    They truly believe humans are infinitely malleable and, besides things like skin color, are all pretty much the same. A belief which flies in the face of both reality and history. But it makes them feel good and, as many others have pointed out, they have arranged their lives so that they are relatively unaffected by the policies they espouse.

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  216. @Harry Baldwin
    I recall that when I was in grade school we had to say the Protestant version of the Lord's Prayer instead of the Catholic version, with which I was familiar. And the Jewish kids--no one cared.

    Yep, we also said the Pledge of Allegiance every morning standing in front of the US flag that was in every classroom.

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  217. artichoke says:
    @TheJester
    There used to be two equalizing experiences in American society ... (1) the public school system and (2) the military. Both experiences exposed immigrant populations to the common culture of the WASP national experience. Italian and Irish Catholics might have remained Catholic, but they lost their accents and melted into the "melting pot". They become neo-WASPS and didn't even know it. Both of these experiences are now gone with the end of the draft and the retreat into ethnic and religious enclaves that include ethnic schools.

    The end of the draft ended the equalizing experience for American males where southerners, northerners, and New Yorkers got to know each other. No more need be said: It's gone.

    Now, American schools are becoming ethic in the name of diversity. The general demand is that the school systems represent their communities. It the community is Black, you hire Black teachers and staff. If the community is Somalian, you hire Somali teachers and staff. If you have to replace large numbers of highly qualified and experienced White teachers to pull this off, you do it without regard for the consequences.

    From the media:

    Loudoun Now, 2/2/2016. The NAACP is threatening legal action against the Loudoun County, VA, school system so that the county's teachers look like the students they teach. The student body is 48% minority; only 12% of the teachers and staff are "minorities". The country tracks 25 ethnic backgrounds, including one called "American". The county is planning to hire a personnel specialist to target diversity recruitment.

    The Census Bureau reports the that as of 2014, 58.8% of Loudoun County's population are White, 17.3% Asian, 13.4% Hispanic, and 7.8% Black. The Blacks and Hispanics tend to congregate in ethnic enclaves based on income, which means that if the NAACP gets its wish, the Black communities will get Black schools and the Hispanic communities will get Hispanic schools. Best of luck! This doesn't seem to be a good formula for integrating minorities and recent immigrants into the mainstream.

    Black school with black teachers, hispanic school with hispanic teachers, that’s OK. Then when the kids fail, nobody can blame whitey.

    Any more, that’s all I care about. Freedom from such entanglements.

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  218. artichoke says:
    @Triumph104
    1. Igbos aren't noted for winning spelling bees or ice hockey championships so there was no point in mentioning them.

    2. Kory won the Texan Spelling Bee which was his middle school bee that was held in the Texan Room at his school. Davila Middle School is one of the worst in the state. Note that his win is only mentioned on blogs and not newspapers/television news.

    3. Kory lives in Bryan near Houston and didn't win regionals. The two Houston regional spelling bee co-champions are both Indian. They will represent the region later this month at the Scripps National Spelling Bee in Washington, DC.

    http://davila.bryanisd.org/apps/events/2015/12/8/2462061/?id=0
    http://www.schooldigger.com/go/TX/schools/1179011155/school.aspx
    https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/2016/04/04/143674/houston-spelling-bee-has-two-new-co-champions/

    lol about the Texan Spelling Bee, I thought that was a typo of Texas but nope! They can never win honestly.

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  219. artichoke says:
    @Anonycat
    Maybe the steveosphere can help here.

    Let's say there's a municipal election this November in a small East Coast town with high property taxes, a very good school system, 85% white, and an incumbent Democrat mayor whom a Republican is trying to beat. The traditional GOP anti-tax platform may not work, according to the article, because the upper middle class white majority has chosen to live in this town and pay high taxes to avoid schools full of NAMs and thus unconsciously accepts their high tax bill as a barrier to entry to the community. (Let's assume another reason it won't work is there's a 2% cap that a portly gentleman in our capital legislated a few years back.) My own experience seems to bear out this strange but not strange acceptance of taxes.

    Therefore, with the understanding that the BOE and town hall are separate entities creating separate budgets, what strategy could a GOP candidate use to win an election without falling into the "your taxes are too high" "yeah but our schools and good and white" death spiral?

    I would be grateful for serious suggestions.

    So you’re talking about NY, and the tax cap this year is more like 1.5%. If I am right, that is the percentage that school taxes can increase every year, without requiring a 60% vote of voters in the district to accept that greater tax increase and also forfeit a certain small tax refund from the state called STAR that they would otherwise get.

    I know because my NY district is facing that problem today, bigtime. And we can’t keep up with the 3% teacher pay increase they can demand under Triborough, with a 1.5% tax cap. Some members of our school board seem to think the problem is the tax cap is too low (rather than Triborough allowing teachers to demand too much) and so I am working to throw out those school board members at this election.

    I don’t see high property taxes being the barrier to entry to NAM’s. I think it’s the house prices, which will probably come down if you don’t keep the taxes under control. But I could be wrong. I know a neighboring district to ours has much higher property taxes, a somewhat better school system but just as many NAM’s in comparable areas. Namely, almost zero in either case.

    Generally NYers vote Dem too much even those in the middle class. Traditional Republican issues are local control (you have home rule, use it!) and lower taxes. Let me know if I don’t understand the situation right.

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  220. AP says:
    @The Practical Conservative
    So as long as your highly statistically anomalous area is fine, there's no problem? Too bad for the people who can't afford 700k houses on one income I guess?

    The northeast is indeed fairly expensive, but in the midwest, Grosse Pointe has many houses in the 200k range (which is above average for metro Detroit but not unattainable). It has excellent public schools and community and despite being right next to Detroit crime rate is lower than that in some sprawling suburbs such as Sterling Heights.

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    There's only one Grosse Pointe. We can't all live there. How to get many more people that type of lifestyle you describe (flexible but high paying work for fathers, SAHMs being part of the community and having status as married women without needing to work, walkable safe communities for children to play and get lots of outdoor screen-free time) is the question. And it's surely not answered by going "well I've got mine!" That's why Trump is running, is because he thinks that attitude is part of the reason that lifestyle is now rare and requires high incomes.
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  221. artichoke says:
    @TheJester
    Is the Issue Immigration ... or Standards?

    I'm writing as someone who has moved multiple times and heavily invested in better neighborhoods and schools for, first, our sons and now, our grandson. It works ... it really works!

    In the 1990s, we abandoned southern California due to the deteriorating neighborhoods and schools associated with the Hispanic invasion and the migration of Black gangs to the suburbs. As is always the case, the culture and schools went "south" due to the social anarchy associated with multiculturalism. We later paid a fortune to put our oldest son in a private engineering school in Silicon Valley to keep him away from the infectious culture in California public universities. (How can you keep your son way from drugs at a public university when the professors are doing drugs?)

    Now in 2016, we are paying a fortune to put our grandson in a upscale pre-K in Northern Virginia; he'll stay for the private kindergarten next year. The fees are equivalent to an exclusive private high school. Regarding demographics, approximately 75% of the students are White. The rest tend to be Hindi or Asian; there are very few Blacks or Hispanics. The teacher/student ratio is two professional adult teachers for 16 pre-K students. Our grandson is thriving. At five years of age and only eight months in school, he knows the alphabet, can add numbers, spell words, and is starting to read. He has mastered the iPhone and iPad and is proficient in Microsoft Word to practice spelling and simple sentence construction.

    Flashback! The son who attended the private engineering school in Silicon Valley also has his daughter in pre-K in an exclusive private school in Silicon Valley. Same demographics. It is essentially a White/Asian school.

    The question is, Why have we invested so heavily in private education over the years? First, I had the privilege of a private education in Catholic schools; I experienced the difference. Second, when you notice the cultural and social collapse in contemporary society associated with integration, multiculturalism, and diversity, you can't afford not to. You pay to segregate your children and grandchildren from the mess.

    As for the social engineering experiments to uplift poor-performing minority and immigrant populations in a multicultural stew, we're not interested. They are risky experiments in your children and grandchildren's futures with an extremely high rate of failure.

    Please note, Asians and Hindis also seem to understand and appreciate the alternative, high-investment strategy in a child's education and future. They are immigrants, so the issue is not immigration but rather standards. For their children, the Asian and Hindi communities seem happy to partake in and pay for the best that traditional White culture can provide. No hostile demands on their part for multicultural standards as sops to racial, ethnic, and gender diversity.

    I didn’t know that California public university faculty are known to be drug users with any frequency. Being from NY I wasn’t likely to pay full freight for an out of state public university, but this is a good datapoint.

    I went to a private university well known for engineering and got an engineering degree, and it was a fine education, But having worked as an engineer, I think I worked way too hard for that career by attending a harder school than necessary. To a fair approximation an engineering degree is an engineering degree (not true of lawyers, where prestige rules, but engineering is a sort of anti-prestigious field), and an easier one will serve almost as well, while probably saving money and allowing a more relaxed time for things like pursuing the opposite sex.

    It’s great that your private schools were not forced to accept diversity as in NAM’s. In my area, the private schools seem to run affirmative action programs, so the escape from that is actually to go to public school in a district that has few NAM’s.

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  222. @Alec Leamas
    Perhaps but Whiskey is writing about whites scuttling other high performing whites in order to perpetuate the former's hereditary positions in the new class. Think about how the combination of legacy admissions and affirmative action as well as networking among the new class works to squeeze out talented middle class kids at elite institutions.

    And then there are the "pipeline" institutions - e.g., The Lawrenceville School in New Jersey is the "pipeline" to Princeton with close existing relationships between its faculty and administrators and the University. It costs nearly fifty thousand dollars per year for day students, and nearly sixty thousand dollars a year for boarding students. Shameless networking and expensive resume padding wholly outside of the ken and means of the middle class.

    Our elite institutions are meritocratic in the way that the late Roman Empire was nevertheless still referred to as a Republic.

    Alec, I’m sorry, but the pipeline schools are a pipeline to prison, at least according to our black brethren.

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  223. @Anonymous
    I would support regional mega schools. I would also abolish private schools as it violates civil rights. This would leave white people with no place to run and hide. This would ensure more investment for the underprivileged and a better educated populace.

    Howie, you dick-head, many of the private schools you would seek to abolish were founded by Catholic Orders, as in Jesuits, to provide an education to recent immigrants. Canisius Prep in Buffalo was founded to provide a HS education to German immigrants, of course that was over a 100 years ago and they are still going strong. Oh, and minority students attend there and other Catholic HSs.. In Buffalo we now have a grant program called “Say Yes” which provides free tuition to Buffalo Public School graduates to attend state colleges, the fund now totals more than $ 25 million . Graduate from HS, and get a free college education…..what more do you fucking want? Dip shit.

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  224. @biz
    It is not primarily actions of the government that have increased the Jewish birth rate in Israel.

    It is primarily a realization on the part of the people that they risk returning to the situation of being a minority ruled by a Muslim majority if they don't increase the birth rate. Remember that most Jews in Israel have grandparents or great grandparents who were Dhimmis somewhere in the Arab / Muslim world. They know what it is like and they don't want to go back to it.

    Yes, to a certain extent the population of each country can procreate as it pleases, but the Israeli state successfully enables more procreation (among the majority) with policies like subsidies and housing rules, while the American state successfully suppresses procreation (among the majority) with policies like school and neighborhood destruction.

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  225. @Alice
    Middle school is a disaster. You can't put them in then. Middle schools can't find competent math teachers even capable of doing fractions and decimals, let alone teaching it. No middle school teacher knows grammar. And the SJW communism is very heavy in middle school.
    Homeschooling through middle school and maybe beyond using college courses and online programs, I think, is the only option.

    Alice,

    You couldn’t be more right on. Middle school/Junior High is actually a complete waste of time. You could keep your kids home and let them watch youtube videos on random subjects and they’d learn more.

    also, the sexual tension at that age just screams aloud for sex segregation. to quote Hilary Clinton, “will anyone listen?”

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  226. @AP
    The northeast is indeed fairly expensive, but in the midwest, Grosse Pointe has many houses in the 200k range (which is above average for metro Detroit but not unattainable). It has excellent public schools and community and despite being right next to Detroit crime rate is lower than that in some sprawling suburbs such as Sterling Heights.

    There’s only one Grosse Pointe. We can’t all live there. How to get many more people that type of lifestyle you describe (flexible but high paying work for fathers, SAHMs being part of the community and having status as married women without needing to work, walkable safe communities for children to play and get lots of outdoor screen-free time) is the question. And it’s surely not answered by going “well I’ve got mine!” That’s why Trump is running, is because he thinks that attitude is part of the reason that lifestyle is now rare and requires high incomes.

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    There’s only one Grosse Pointe. We can’t all live there. How to get many more people that type of lifestyle you describe (flexible but high paying work for fathers, SAHMs being part of the community and having status as married women without needing to work, walkable safe communities for children to play and get lots of outdoor screen-free time) is the question.
     
    I suspect it's a supply and demand issue. Do a lot of people want that? If they did they wouldn't, in general, seek to maximize square feet of living space out in the sprawl-lands which are safe but not walkable and without as much community.

    As for specific communities - people are not equal by ability and work ethic (and some good fortune, also). Some communities will bring together more successful people and have better schools than will others. I noticed that in the northeast there are walkable communities of various income levels, with school quality corresponding to income. A town populated by people like nurses or plumbers making a good living won't have the same schools as one with physicians and executives, but it will still be a decent, real town. For some reason this sort of thing is only appreciated by wealthier people in most of the rest of the country.
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  227. AP says:
    @The Practical Conservative
    There's only one Grosse Pointe. We can't all live there. How to get many more people that type of lifestyle you describe (flexible but high paying work for fathers, SAHMs being part of the community and having status as married women without needing to work, walkable safe communities for children to play and get lots of outdoor screen-free time) is the question. And it's surely not answered by going "well I've got mine!" That's why Trump is running, is because he thinks that attitude is part of the reason that lifestyle is now rare and requires high incomes.

    There’s only one Grosse Pointe. We can’t all live there. How to get many more people that type of lifestyle you describe (flexible but high paying work for fathers, SAHMs being part of the community and having status as married women without needing to work, walkable safe communities for children to play and get lots of outdoor screen-free time) is the question.

    I suspect it’s a supply and demand issue. Do a lot of people want that? If they did they wouldn’t, in general, seek to maximize square feet of living space out in the sprawl-lands which are safe but not walkable and without as much community.

    As for specific communities – people are not equal by ability and work ethic (and some good fortune, also). Some communities will bring together more successful people and have better schools than will others. I noticed that in the northeast there are walkable communities of various income levels, with school quality corresponding to income. A town populated by people like nurses or plumbers making a good living won’t have the same schools as one with physicians and executives, but it will still be a decent, real town. For some reason this sort of thing is only appreciated by wealthier people in most of the rest of the country.

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  228. @Jewish Conservative Race Realist
    Poz is the icky cultural marxism of the mainstream.

    It's Davos, Zuckerberg, the corporate Twitter rainbow-flag parade, Google doodles, Tubman twenties, and World War T (http://www.advocate.com/politics/2016/4/13/heres-all-business-nc-has-lost-because-anti-lgbt-bill.

    I think the name gained usage because it calls to mind a dysfunctional gay subculture by appropriating their own term. And remembering the inconvenient fact of gay dysfunction is something that really annoys pozzed people.

    Thank you, I appreciate the explanation.

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  229. Brutusale says:
    @Truth
    Yeah, quotas would be good. We want to keep a few of you people IN the good schools.

    http://wordondastreet.com/8th-grader-kory-terrell-is-texas-new-spelling-bee-champion/

    Igbo? WHAT IGBO????

    I guess ESL Ebonics trumps ESL Spanish.

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  230. @Dave Pinsen
    An interesting desegregation experiment could be tried in New Jersey, where affluent, mostly-white/Asian public school districts already subsidize urban black districts like Newark by law. Whatever that subsidy works out to on a per-pupil basis, the state (or a wealthy donor like Zuckerberg) could give a majority-white school 2x that amount to welcome a NAM student.

    It could be a win-win for the W/A school and the NAM students if the NAMs are, say, B-student athletes. The NAM students get a chance to shine in sports and maybe get scholarships to D-3 state schools, and the W/A schools get a few talented athletes that can keep their heads above water in non-honors classes.

    The A-student NAMs are probably better off staying in their 99% NAM schools and competing for valedictorian and admission to an Ivy League school or eight.

    D-3 colleges do not award athletic scholarships. I think athletic scholarships should be a last resort. They have to be renewed every year. Most sports mainly offer partial scholarships. Most coaches do not want athletes in time-intensive majors so that leads to many communications and sociology degrees.

    Most A-student NAMs would be better off at a W/A school. They aren’t challenged at a NAM school, few or no AP classes, and receive poor guidance counseling because the counselor deals mainly with kids who are 2-3 grade levels behind. The A-student NAM would also benefit with socializing with W/A in high school so it wouldn’t be a shock in college.

    This short documentary profiles two nearly identical A-students on Long Island, NY. They received drastically different educations and futures because one went to a W/A school and the other to a NAM school.

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  231. @Almost Missouri

    "It works … it really works!"
     

    "moved multiple times and heavily invested in better neighborhoods and schools for, first, our sons and now, our grandson"
     

    "We later paid a fortune to put our oldest son in a private engineering school"
     

    "Now in 2016, we are paying a fortune to put our grandson in a upscale pre-K..."
     
    Great stuff ... if you can afford it. Fewer and fewer can. Hence The Great Middle Class Massacre.

    Oh, I get it now. Irony.

    You have to admit, these days it’s hard to tell.

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  232. @Alice
    I agree we have to fight. But we've hit the inflection point, and we are losing faster than ever. Dense pack theory. Only the permanent SJWs with their Soros funding can permanently agitate. Those of us with lives can't spend the time and money to do so, and we woyld llse anyway, because the end goal is already determined before rhe game starts. To paraphrase GWB, we have to stop them every time. the SJWs only have to succeed once. And of they do they get their bike or light rail or transgender bathroom policy.

    Yes, the playing field is tilted against us in every way.

    All we have is the truth.

    I will keep fighting.

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  233. @Seth Largo
    A racial quota based on "maximums" instead of "minimums" is an excellent ground/figure shift. Worth injecting into other debates, as well.

    However, in this case, district spending simply does not correlate with student success. The blogger Random C. Analysis just wrote a giant post about this (among other education issues). The people, not the spending, matter most when it comes to school districts, which I suppose is what this guy's research is getting at, with the income aspect just a bit of squid ink.

    For a local comparison, wealthy Orange County spends far less per pupil than anywhere in LAUSD, including South L.A. schools. The school district I grew up in (Chino Unified) spends less than Orange County and far less than LAUSD, yet it was and remains a solid middle class district with decent sports boosting (I went to high school with Diana Taurasi and former Nationals closer Chad Cordero).

    National district per-pupil spending map.

    Seth, Two of the most dysfunctional school districts in the country, Buffalo and Rochester, are ranked in the top five for spending per pupil for districts with 30000 or more students. They spend more than $25,000 per pupil, graduate less than 50%, average double digit absenteeism and are majority minority.

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  234. Bill says:
    @Alice
    Bill,
    What state are you in?

    The rot in Catholic schools is everywhere. Since there are no convents full of sisters with vows of poverty as staff members and there are no longer solvent parishes, the premise of Catholic schools can't work. (To wit: the state spends 18k per student per year in St. Paul, 22k in mpls, but somehow, a Catholic school is going to make it on 3k a year? What costs are actually lower? Not staff health insurance, not liability, not lawyer fees. Even paying teachers only ee% of public school teachers won't reduce costs enough.)

    But, they don't even notice they offer Exactly The Same Product but charge for it. The cycle goes like this: there are no longer orders of brothers and sisters devoted to education, so there is no one to run these schools. The only "experienced" staff available are from the public schools. Parish boards are risk averse and defer to the "experts", who then hire more and more public schools folks who enforce more and more public school mandates, be it background checks for volunteers or no more cupcakes for birthdays or idiotic Reader's and writer's workshop curricula. The more mandates, the more the non-public school folks quit or retire. The more they are replaced with young (cheap) staff raised on ed school.

    Meanwhile, the parish school has too few parish kids to stay open, so it brings in more and more non Catholics, including weaker and weaker Catholics, so the basic commitment to Catholic ed is no longer wanted by the families present. They like how "modern" the education is. The board understands even less its role, etc.

    But sometimes, it's forced upon the schools by even more idiotic diocesan superintendents.

    Here in MN, the main (totally dysfunctional) archdiocese of St. Paul-Mpls got punked. Before the 50 pairs of shoes hit the ground leading to their current bankruptcy, the archd and its schools were already insolvent. Looking to salvage their schools, the archd tried to make a deal with state legislators. The deal, first discussed under R majorities in both legislative houses, was to allow Catholic schools to accept vouchers. Then the Dems came to power. They told the Archdiocese they'd let them accept vouchers if first the archd agreed that all new hires would be state licensed.

    The Archdiocese agreed. Magically the vouchers never materialized. But every parish principal needs a principal license! And every Catholic school teacher comes through ed school and state licensure!

    Thanks very much for that interesting answer!

    My story happened in PA.

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