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Striking a blow against lookism in blockbuster movies

Marginal Revolution quotes a website called Sixth Tone on why the Chinese are pretty meh about all the Star Wars hype. The Last Jedi came in second in its opening weekend with $29 million in China. That would have been a huge number a decade ago in China, but Pixar’s Coco did $73 million in its opening weekend in China. The Chinese love Coco.

Other factors, according to Chen, include Chinese audiences’ preference for physically attractive protagonists and stories rooted in reality. He points out that, for example, superhero films from Marvel — a Disney cash cow that has enjoyed great success in China — feature recognizable settings, such as New York and even China, and are filled with larger-than-life leads who meet the public’s aesthetic standards. The Star Wars characters, meanwhile, look ordinary by comparison.

“These actors aren’t very beautiful, which may deter a lot of Chinese from seeing the recent films,” said Chen. “We fans often joke that if Finn were played by Will Smith, Chinese people might be more inclined to watch it — because he’s very handsome.”

In contrast, the last two Marvel movies, Thor: Ragnarok ($53 million in its opening weekend in China) and Guardians of the Galaxy 2 ($49 million in its opening weekend in China), star blond, muscular, handsome, and funny movie stars named Chris.

Plus Marvel movies have lots of old-time time-tested movie stars like Sir Anthony Hopkins, Sylvester Stallone, Jeff Goldblum, Kurt Russell, and Mark Ruffalo.

Marvel movies may not have their fair share of girls in them, but the ones they do have tend to look like Scarlett Johansson:

But the current Star Wars franchise at least does have one actor with some old-fashioned movie star power: Oscar Isaac.

He’s basically in there to be Han Solo if in 1977 George Lucas had cast Al Pacino instead of Harrison Ford. And Isaac even gets Intersectionality Pokemon Points as a Latino and Middle Easterner because he’s some kind of Conquistador-American / Crusader-American. (His father is a Miami surgeon.)

Note: I may be mistaken about Isaac being a Crusader-American like Carlos Slim. I assumed “Isaac” is a Lebanese Christian surname like “Abraham” often is, but the actor attributes it to a Jewish ancestor.

And he is a classy actor often cast as royalty (e.g., King John in 2010′s Ridley Scott Robin Hood). Granted, he’s never quite broken through yet to stardom despite getting cast as the lead in much-anticipated movies by the Coen Brothers and J.C. Chandor that didn’t quite live up to expectations, but at least you notice him every time he’s on screen.

So why won’t they let these latest sequels be more about the one potential movie star they have on the premises?

Another factor in Chinese apathy is that a lot of Star Wars’ popularity relates to Western nostalgia for how awesome the original two movies seemed in 1977-1980. Since then, lots of movies have attempted to imitate the innovations of the 1977 Star Wars. The Chinese, in contrast, were mostly down on post-Cultural Revolution pig farms in 1977 so they don’t remember how spectacular it was at the time. It’s just one of a lot of American movies they caught up with many years later.

 
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  1. whorefinder says: • Website

    The SJWs haven’t forced the Chinese to embrace “body positivity” and “subjective beauty standards” as things.

    Seriously, the Greeks more than 2000 years ago showed that the beauty aesthetic is objective and universal. Countless centuries of art and current pornography all show what is physically attractive. Yet the SJWs think they can all force us to believe up is down, black is white, and ugly is beautiful. Blacks aren’t attractive, dumpy fat chicks aren’t attractive, purple haired psycho female leaders aren’t attractive, and Daisey Ridley is too androgenous and boyish to be anything more than mildly attractive in the film.A comparison of Ridley v. Princess Leia in the the original trilogy or Natalie Portman in the prequels makes it all worse—you’ve downgraded from lithe pinup girls to, well the,a mildly cute college girl, except she hates men and has a superiority complex.

    Blockbuster movies have always been escapism. Part of that is everyone being super-attractive in them. The ugliest lead in a 1930s screwball comedy or 1950s swashbuckling adventure or 1990s romantic comedy was always more attractive than 90% of the audience watching it on screen. Now we’ve got “blockbusters” where half the cast is uglier than the bar scene on a Saturday night.

    Didn’t Sullivan’s Travels teach Hollywood anything? Save the realism for art-house folks and for comedies when the ugly people are to be laughed at

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    • Replies: @guest
    I wouldn't say Mark Hamill was the hunkiest guy ever, and he certainly wasn't improved by the car wreck between Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back (which I assume occasioned the scene in which the Yeti smacks him early in Empire). But he was pleasant looking and masculine.

    Aside from being unfeminine, Rey is plain weird-looking. Not in an outright ugly way. But in that way fashion models are expected to have a "hook": some cheap way to make them memorable. She's memorable because she resembles a fish, or something. I can't quite put my finger on it. But it certainly helps her act like a bitch throughout the series.

    Luke Skywalker never got a romantic storyline. The stand-out attractive characters--Han and Leia--fell in love. That's how it's supposed to work.

    There's a sub-storyline in this new series whereby something's going on between Mary Sue Rey and Darth Emo. Now that we know they're not related, it can be sexual. I'm sure I'm not the only one waiting for the villain to bend the Disney Princess™ over something. That's what they want me to be thinking about, right?

    Know what would make that more interesting? Having Rey be attractive. Rylo Ken is not appealing with his helmet off, despite the cheesecake shirtless shot. But in his costume he's a bad-boy go-getter. Which is enough. The female lead is not pulling her weight, unless perhaps if you're Bryan Singer.

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  2. Isolee says:

    “These actors aren’t very beautiful, which may deter a lot of Chinese from seeing the recent films,”

    Quite. Ignoring issues of race, nobody – NOBODY – wants to see a plain, pudgy woman in a main role; plain, pudgy women don’t want to see a plain, pudgy woman in a main role.

    In light of TLJ’s underwhelming box office, I suspect Disney Execs might have decided JJ Abrams has virtue signalled enough about the oppressive nature of encoded cishet white patriarchal notions of beauty, and that future episodes will feature Hollywood standardised looks.

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    Will Smith, with those funny-looking little ears, "handsome"? I can think of a lot of handsome actors, and yes, a lot of handsome black actors, but Will Smith? All along, I thought there must be other reasons for his success, like a buff body, and that he'd be liked more by guys who identified with him as a hero rather than girls who wanted to be with him.
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  3. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Isaac was the only decent looking person in the movie. It’s not just Finn and the frumpy Asian girl. Adam Driver is weird/funny looking. Laura Dern has always been a bit odd looking. Domnhall Gleeson is a bit sickly looking and not handsome. And Carrie Fisher looked terrible, presumably from decades of drug and alcohol use.

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    • Replies: @Coemgen
    Veronica Ngo is very attractive--though she was killed-off early in the movie. I thought it was going to be a good movie after the segment where the camera followed her up a ladder. That segment probably required a lot of re-takes...
    , @neutral
    You left out Daisy Ridley.
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    The word I’ve always used to describe Laura Dern’s looks is “unfortunate”, because based on her parentage you would think she should be better looking. Bruce Dern and Diane Ladd are both rather attractive people. Laura seems to have inherited exactly the worst combination of features from both.
    , @syonredux

    And Carrie Fisher looked terrible, presumably from decades of drug and alcohol use.
     
    It's funny. SJWs constantly jump on any mention of Carrie Fisher's physical appearance in the new crop of films. loudly shouting how sexist people are, that we won't allow women to age, etc. But the fact that Carrie Fisher has aged is not what is bothering people. No, it's how she aged. No one wants to think that Princess Leia has spent the last several decades struggling with drug addiction....
    , @songbird
    I think it is kind of strange and funny that they tried to pass off Adam Driver as the son of Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher.

    IMO, Fisher mostly just aged. Oh, don't get me wrong: she lived roughly. But she was younger than Portman in her first Star Wars film, and no 60 y.o. woman looks good when put next to her 18 or 19 y.o. self. Not a lot of people remember her other movies (I only remembers her in "The 'Burbs" and just barely) so it is just like putting them side by side.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Adam Driver is interesting/striking looking, but he's also handsome, no?

    Carrie Fisher also sounded like she had dentures when she talked.
    , @Logan
    This is an odd POV on the original movie, IMO.

    Of the three main characters in the original movie:

    Carrie Fisher was not what anybody would call stunningly attractive. Without the fame of her role would not have turned a single head at Walmart. Did not improve with age.

    Mark Hamill's image could have been appropriately found in the dictionary beside the word "dweeb," looking very much like Anthony Michael Hall in various teen movies. Mark's photos over the years show a very strange progression. Started out dweebish, turned into a regrettable middle-aged guy, and is now kind of distinguished-looking as an older man, at least with sufficient facial hair.

    Harrison Ford has of course always been a good looking guy. Although in recent photos he looks pretty rough, worse really than Mark.

    So that's one of three stars of the original movie he was "really good looking."

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  4. neutral says:

    Having an African being the love interest of an Asian women might also not be very appealing in a movie shown in China. There are very few mainstream sites that can discuss this, but I would not be surprised if there are Chinese forums, that discuss things like the “baizuo”, that were not too happy with such a relationship.

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    Having an African being the love interest of an Asian women might also not be very appealing in a movie shown in China. There are very few mainstream sites that can discuss this, but I would not be surprised if there are Chinese forums, that discuss things like the “baizuo”, that were not too happy with such a relationship.
     
    I wouldn't be surprised if cinematic mud-sharking turns off the Chinese:


    Nanjing anti-African protests

    As well as resentment about the larger stipends given to African students, hostility from Chinese students towards Africans also flared up when there was contact between African men and Chinese women. In an incident in Shanghai in 1979, African students were attacked after playing loud music and making sexual remarks to Chinese women. These clashes became more common during the 1980s and sometimes led to arrests and deportations of African students. Cultural differences in dating habits added to the tensions.
     

    On December 24, 1988 two male African students were entering their campus at Hohai University in Nanjing with two Chinese women. The occasion was a Christmas Eve party. A quarrel between one of the Africans and a Chinese security guard, who had suspected that the women the African students tried to bring into the campus were prostitutes and refused their entry, led to a brawl between the African and Chinese students on the campus which lasted till the morning, leaving 13 students injured.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_anti-African_protests
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  5. J.Ross says: • Website

    >Chinese audiences’ preference for physically attractive protagonists
    >preference for physically attractive protagonists
    >physically attractive protagonists
    [zoom-in, in video, or zooming-in sequence of still headshots, of Boyega and Kennedy or Abrams, while these words repeat like a stock scroll, or fill background space like dark clouds]
    Inscrutable orientals! Will we ever understand their ways?
    ______
    Can we say that showbiz is objectively doing something wrong when *this* is the thing they can’t get? We’re not quoting the Book of Songs here. Liking prettiness is not a unique Chinese peculiarity.
    Maybe someone has the tweet where Boyega curses the darkness of poor toy sales and someone replied, “Everyone had a Lando doll growing up, your doll is not selling because [you're no Billy Dee Williams].”

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  6. whorefinder says: • Website

    P.S. And Steve’s point about this being nostalgia for Americans and not the Chinese doesn’t really make sense when Marvel movies and Transformers can be hits in China despite both of those being nostalgia trips. Those franchises were made first and foremost to bring 30 something guys to the theater to see if the filmmakers could make them feel like 10 year old boys again, but the Chinese lapped them up because the films were good popcorn (pace, Red Letter Media).

    In contrast, the Disney Star Wars can’t make a good film, so China is tuning them out. Part of the rabid defenses fanbois are trying with the Disney Star Wars films is the nostalgia of protecting their memories of the old trilogy. But if these films didn’t have that nostalgia they would have been flops or marginal hits with diminishing returns and no one would be defending them beyond studio hacks.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The Marvel and Transformer movies aren't nostalgia trips to Chinese audiences, they are state of the art big budget movies. In contrast, the new Star Wars movies seem kind of fuddy-duddy to the Chinese who don't have any emotional connection to the original two or three Star Wars movies. To young Chinese, the 1977 Star Wars is more out of date today than Casablanca was to young Americans in 1977.
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  7. Truth says:

    We fans often joke that if Finn were played by Will Smith, Chinese people might be more inclined to watch it — because he’s very handsome.”

    With one line this Chinese writer just destroyed about 35% of the unzista pet themes.

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    • Replies: @anon
    With one line this Chinese writer just destroyed about 35% of the unzista pet themes.

    The line said "more inclined", not "especially inclined", Troof. Nobody ever doubted that a handsome black guy would do better than an average-looking black guy. The question is whether an average-looking black guy would do as well as an average-looking white guy.
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  8. If a US film needs the Chinese market to succeed, then the US industry is in terminal decline. Time you found some career other than film critic, Mr Steve.

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    • Replies: @Brutusale
    If Hollywood made good films that appealed to adults, they wouldn't need to spend $200 million making teen-oriented movies that need to be palatable across cultures. Making movies that appeal to teens will attract teens, and adults just don't want to spend hours in a large room with today's semi-feral teenager. Throw in the fact that a single movie ticket is about equal to a subscription to a streaming service, and you'll find a serious dearth of adults at the local theater.

    I'm in my 50s, and the last movie I saw in the theater was American Sniper.
    , @Melendwyr
    All US industries are in terminal decline, except the ones that profit from the dying - the mushrooms of the intellectual and economic world. They're crazy busy.
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  9. @whorefinder
    P.S. And Steve's point about this being nostalgia for Americans and not the Chinese doesn't really make sense when Marvel movies and Transformers can be hits in China despite both of those being nostalgia trips. Those franchises were made first and foremost to bring 30 something guys to the theater to see if the filmmakers could make them feel like 10 year old boys again, but the Chinese lapped them up because the films were good popcorn (pace, Red Letter Media).

    In contrast, the Disney Star Wars can't make a good film, so China is tuning them out. Part of the rabid defenses fanbois are trying with the Disney Star Wars films is the nostalgia of protecting their memories of the old trilogy. But if these films didn't have that nostalgia they would have been flops or marginal hits with diminishing returns and no one would be defending them beyond studio hacks.

    The Marvel and Transformer movies aren’t nostalgia trips to Chinese audiences, they are state of the art big budget movies. In contrast, the new Star Wars movies seem kind of fuddy-duddy to the Chinese who don’t have any emotional connection to the original two or three Star Wars movies. To young Chinese, the 1977 Star Wars is more out of date today than Casablanca was to young Americans in 1977.

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    • Replies: @whorefinder
    Exactly my point. The Marvel films, Transformers , and Star Wars aren't nostalgia trips for the Chinese, yet the Chinese love the former two and dislike the latter. Why? The first two are good popcorn fare--good film franchises--- while the latter Star Wars sequels aren't.

    The first Marvel and Transformers films would have made money even if they'd been bad because of the nostalgia from American male audiences remembering the fun cartoons/comics from their youth, but they would not have spawned the myriad of sequels and spinoffs and been popular in China. Keven Feige deserves a lot of credit for creating a sequence of superhero films with the same tone that both deliver fanboi nostalgia service and yet are fun movies to watch.

    The Disney Star Wars are bad films, so they are only propped up by American male audience nostalgia, and the Chinese don't like them.

    , @syonredux

    To young Chinese, the 1977 Star Wars is more out of date today than Casablanca was to young Americans in 1977.
     
    Humphrey Bogart is always cool


    https://images05.military.com/sites/default/files/media/veteran-jobs/content-images/2013/12/humphreybogartheadshot.jpg
    , @Twinkie
    By the way, do you know what film - surprisingly - did really well with the mainland Chinese audiences in the '80's? "First Blood"!

    They liked the action, liked the whole Vietnam War victimized the Vietnamese AND the ordinary Americans angle, and even the anti-authority message (remember this was before the massive semi-capitalist boom in China).
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    Casablanca was still very popular with young Americans in 1977. I loved that film and I was 11. It helped that there were only 6 channels available on tv, and since we had a black & white television anyway Casablanca actually looked better than a lot of more modern films.
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  10. Tacitus says:

    Took my boys to see latest Star Wars movie. Terribly boring. Hopeless storytelling. Super long. I stuck it out, didn’t want to disappoint the boys. Have sore back.

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  11. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    The Marvel and Transformer movies aren't nostalgia trips to Chinese audiences, they are state of the art big budget movies. In contrast, the new Star Wars movies seem kind of fuddy-duddy to the Chinese who don't have any emotional connection to the original two or three Star Wars movies. To young Chinese, the 1977 Star Wars is more out of date today than Casablanca was to young Americans in 1977.

    Exactly my point. The Marvel films, Transformers , and Star Wars aren’t nostalgia trips for the Chinese, yet the Chinese love the former two and dislike the latter. Why? The first two are good popcorn fare–good film franchises— while the latter Star Wars sequels aren’t.

    The first Marvel and Transformers films would have made money even if they’d been bad because of the nostalgia from American male audiences remembering the fun cartoons/comics from their youth, but they would not have spawned the myriad of sequels and spinoffs and been popular in China. Keven Feige deserves a lot of credit for creating a sequence of superhero films with the same tone that both deliver fanboi nostalgia service and yet are fun movies to watch.

    The Disney Star Wars are bad films, so they are only propped up by American male audience nostalgia, and the Chinese don’t like them.

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    Transformers IS nostalgic for the Chinese--the original cartoon was one of the first things from the West that was allowed to be shown on Chinese TV, so they associate it with the cool, modern outside world. You can be in incredibly rural areas in China & see minibuses with giant Optimus Prime decals on the side. They genuinely love the Transformers.
    , @Alec Leamas
    The female leads in the Transformers films included the likes of Megan Fox and Rosie Huntingdon-Whiteley.

    These are actresses who are nice to look at even if you're Chinese.
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  12. Coemgen says:
    @Anonymous
    Isaac was the only decent looking person in the movie. It's not just Finn and the frumpy Asian girl. Adam Driver is weird/funny looking. Laura Dern has always been a bit odd looking. Domnhall Gleeson is a bit sickly looking and not handsome. And Carrie Fisher looked terrible, presumably from decades of drug and alcohol use.

    Veronica Ngo is very attractive–though she was killed-off early in the movie. I thought it was going to be a good movie after the segment where the camera followed her up a ladder. That segment probably required a lot of re-takes…

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    Veronica Ngo is very attractive–though she was killed-off early in the movie. I thought it was going to be a good movie after the segment where the camera followed her up a ladder. That segment probably required a lot of re-takes…
     
    Yeah, the Tico sisters, Paige and Rose. They kill off Paige


    https://am23.akamaized.net/tms/cnt/uploads/2017/11/Star-Wars-Bomber-Command-Cover-Top.jpg

    But keep Rose alive


    http://media.comicbook.com/2017/12/star-wars-the-last-jedi-rose-kelly-marie-tran-audition-1069038.jpeg


    The only way that I can make sense of that is that the producers were blatantly attempting to appeal to feminist film critics...
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  13. neutral says:
    @Anonymous
    Isaac was the only decent looking person in the movie. It's not just Finn and the frumpy Asian girl. Adam Driver is weird/funny looking. Laura Dern has always been a bit odd looking. Domnhall Gleeson is a bit sickly looking and not handsome. And Carrie Fisher looked terrible, presumably from decades of drug and alcohol use.

    You left out Daisy Ridley.

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    You left out Daisy Ridley.
     
    She's a semi-cute void.
    , @MEH 0910
    She looks like a bitchy elf.
    , @Mr. Anon

    You left out Daisy Ridley.
     
    She looks like Hugo Weaving in drag.
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  14. Sid says:

    The actress playing Rey (Daisy Ridley) is attractive compared to women in general, but just OK compared to the ideal of Hollywood actresses.

    I haven’t seen the new Star Wars movies so I can’t comment on how charismatic she is.

    Star Wars still resonates with American kids because their parents can explain what everything means as the kids are introduced to them. I’m a Millennial and I have fond memories of watching it on VHS. There are also a lot of side stories you can enjoy as a kid by reading the books, playing Star Wars games, etc. As such, the Star Wars universe feels vast to American audiences even though the same themes and plots are being endlessly repeated.

    To a Chinese filmgoer, however, the lore must feel incomprehensible at best and stupid at worst.

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  15. syonredux says:

    But the current franchise does have one actor with some old-fashioned movie star power: Oscar Isaac. He’s basically in there to be Han Solo if in 1977 George Lucas had cast Al Pacino instead of Harrison Ford. And Isaac even has Intersectionality Pokemon Points a Latino and Middle Easterner because he’s some kind of Conquistador-American / Crusader-American. (His father is a Miami surgeon.) And he is a classy actor often cast as royalty (e.g., King John in 2010′s Ridley Scott Robin Hood). Granted, he’s never quite broken through yet to stardom despite getting cast as the lead in movies by the Coen Brothers and J.C. Chandor, but at least you notice him every time he’s on screen.

    So why won’t they let these latest sequels be more about the one potential movie star they have on the premises?

    Because the current Star Wars film cycle is all about taking down YT, and Oscar Isaac’s POC credentials are kinda flimsy. Don’t get me wrong, SJWs love to talk up Isaac’s Latinx status, but they also understand that his optics are pretty bad. After all, how POC can a guy be if Ridley Scott had him play King John in a Robin Hood movie? Isaac’s POC-ness is of the kind that requires constant verbal affirmation,

    whereas John Boyega’s is self-evident

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    Did you have to post the picture of that hideous star trooper?
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  16. @Anonymous
    Isaac was the only decent looking person in the movie. It's not just Finn and the frumpy Asian girl. Adam Driver is weird/funny looking. Laura Dern has always been a bit odd looking. Domnhall Gleeson is a bit sickly looking and not handsome. And Carrie Fisher looked terrible, presumably from decades of drug and alcohol use.

    The word I’ve always used to describe Laura Dern’s looks is “unfortunate”, because based on her parentage you would think she should be better looking. Bruce Dern and Diane Ladd are both rather attractive people. Laura seems to have inherited exactly the worst combination of features from both.

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    Kind of like Rumer Willis (poor thing)?
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    Laura seems to have inherited exactly the worst combination of features from both.
     
    Regression to the mean.
    , @The Millennial Falcon
    Laura Dern isn't very beautiful (how could you be as a child of Bruce Dern! Dude's on the Mt. Rushmore of Ratfaces with Donald Sutherland and others to be chiseled in later), but she's extremely talented. She was fantastic in Jurassic Park - contrast her performance with Ron Howard's daughter in Jurassic World.

    And she's not afraid to play the darker/dumber side of the strong woman trope - she's exceptional in Mike White's Enlightened (an almost great show that doesn't quite maintain the courage of its convictions) and she holds her own in Big Little Lies (another almost great show - comes very close to skewering feminism until Haven Monahan arrives, douche ex machina style, to save the day)
    , @Twodees Partain
    Laura was cute as a young woman, but bear in mind that when an American man says a girl is cute, that means she's only a notch above ugly.
    , @MEH 0910
    I don't think Diane Ladd was much better looking than present day Laura Dern when she played Laura's character's mother back in the 1990 David Lynch film Wild at Heart.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf0rKQkvh2c
    , @MarcB.
    I've always thought her attractiveness was overstated, especially back in the Wild at Heart era. Now she's the exemplar of the current "living her best life" meme.

    http://www.vulture.com/2017/12/laura-dern-is-living-her-best-life-with-an-nba-player.html
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  17. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous
    Isaac was the only decent looking person in the movie. It's not just Finn and the frumpy Asian girl. Adam Driver is weird/funny looking. Laura Dern has always been a bit odd looking. Domnhall Gleeson is a bit sickly looking and not handsome. And Carrie Fisher looked terrible, presumably from decades of drug and alcohol use.

    And Carrie Fisher looked terrible, presumably from decades of drug and alcohol use.

    It’s funny. SJWs constantly jump on any mention of Carrie Fisher’s physical appearance in the new crop of films. loudly shouting how sexist people are, that we won’t allow women to age, etc. But the fact that Carrie Fisher has aged is not what is bothering people. No, it’s how she aged. No one wants to think that Princess Leia has spent the last several decades struggling with drug addiction….

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  18. syonredux says:
    @neutral
    You left out Daisy Ridley.

    You left out Daisy Ridley.

    She’s a semi-cute void.

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    You left out Daisy Ridley.

     

    She’s a semi-cute void.

     

    In half her pictures I mistake her for Keira Knightley, and in the other half Lena Headey. Maybe she's the third long lost sister.
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  19. syonredux says:
    @Steve Sailer
    The Marvel and Transformer movies aren't nostalgia trips to Chinese audiences, they are state of the art big budget movies. In contrast, the new Star Wars movies seem kind of fuddy-duddy to the Chinese who don't have any emotional connection to the original two or three Star Wars movies. To young Chinese, the 1977 Star Wars is more out of date today than Casablanca was to young Americans in 1977.

    To young Chinese, the 1977 Star Wars is more out of date today than Casablanca was to young Americans in 1977.

    Humphrey Bogart is always cool

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    "Humphrey Bogart is always cool."

    I've often thought that if anyone ever acted like Bogart in real life he'd get kicked off the sidewalk. (Unless he was 6' 4" 240 lbs)
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  20. songbird says:
    @Anonymous
    Isaac was the only decent looking person in the movie. It's not just Finn and the frumpy Asian girl. Adam Driver is weird/funny looking. Laura Dern has always been a bit odd looking. Domnhall Gleeson is a bit sickly looking and not handsome. And Carrie Fisher looked terrible, presumably from decades of drug and alcohol use.

    I think it is kind of strange and funny that they tried to pass off Adam Driver as the son of Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher.

    IMO, Fisher mostly just aged. Oh, don’t get me wrong: she lived roughly. But she was younger than Portman in her first Star Wars film, and no 60 y.o. woman looks good when put next to her 18 or 19 y.o. self. Not a lot of people remember her other movies (I only remembers her in “The ‘Burbs” and just barely) so it is just like putting them side by side.

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    I think it is kind of strange and funny that they tried to pass off Adam Driver as the son of Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher.
     
    Yeah. It's kinda hard to figure out how this combo

    http://media.comicbook.com/2015/12/han-solo-163307.jpg

    https://am22.akamaized.net/tms/cnt/uploads/2017/08/leiatop1-650x574.jpg

    produces this


    http://digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/17/41/980x490/landscape-1507602073-sw6.jpg


    Maybe that's why Han left? He looked at that kid and figured that there was no way in hell that he was the father....
    , @S. Anonyia
    It happens in a lot of tv shows/movies- it's bad but far from the worst. One that always bugs me (and happens in Game of Thrones a few times) is when they have brown eyed kids as the children of 2 blue eyed parents. It's just lazy- make one of the parents wear some contacts if you just have to have that particular child actor.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Fisher aged badly because she lived roughly. Here's a pic of Carrie Fisher's mom at 60: http://www.themoviescene.co.uk/reviews/_img/6562-3.jpg
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    By age 32 Fisher was already playing the less attractive "best friend" role in "When Harry met Sally". She was a "handsome" woman but never a typical Hollywood beauty. Daisy Ridley is much better looking (and more feminine) than Fisher. People's love for Princess Leia has a lot of nostalgia attached to it.
    , @Brutusale
    Over the past few years I've seen photos of Fisher with her mother Debbie Reynolds and it's hard to tell which woman is older.
    , @donut
    She was in "The Blues Brothers" I think .
    , @Twodees Partain
    I wasn't aware that Carrie Fisher was in any other movies after Star Wars. She certainly didn't deserve to be.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Carrie Fisher was funny in the movie Postcards from the Edge, based on her book of the same name.

    One line from the book has always stuck with me: "I ran screaming down the hallways of my mind". I've felt like that.

    https://www.amazon.com/Postcards-Edge-Gene-Hackman/dp/B000059XTI
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  21. syonredux says:
    @neutral
    Having an African being the love interest of an Asian women might also not be very appealing in a movie shown in China. There are very few mainstream sites that can discuss this, but I would not be surprised if there are Chinese forums, that discuss things like the "baizuo", that were not too happy with such a relationship.

    Having an African being the love interest of an Asian women might also not be very appealing in a movie shown in China. There are very few mainstream sites that can discuss this, but I would not be surprised if there are Chinese forums, that discuss things like the “baizuo”, that were not too happy with such a relationship.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if cinematic mud-sharking turns off the Chinese:

    Nanjing anti-African protests

    As well as resentment about the larger stipends given to African students, hostility from Chinese students towards Africans also flared up when there was contact between African men and Chinese women. In an incident in Shanghai in 1979, African students were attacked after playing loud music and making sexual remarks to Chinese women. These clashes became more common during the 1980s and sometimes led to arrests and deportations of African students. Cultural differences in dating habits added to the tensions.

    On December 24, 1988 two male African students were entering their campus at Hohai University in Nanjing with two Chinese women. The occasion was a Christmas Eve party. A quarrel between one of the Africans and a Chinese security guard, who had suspected that the women the African students tried to bring into the campus were prostitutes and refused their entry, led to a brawl between the African and Chinese students on the campus which lasted till the morning, leaving 13 students injured.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_anti-African_protests

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    https://youtu.be/z6CY2pkgIrQ
    , @Truth



    I wouldn’t be surprised if cinematic mud-sharking turns off the Chinese:
     
    I would be surprised if you came up with new material.
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  22. Spyder says:

    Don’t forget that maybe the Chinese arent ready for a interracial kiss between an asian woman and a black man.

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  23. Thomas says:
    @syonredux

    Having an African being the love interest of an Asian women might also not be very appealing in a movie shown in China. There are very few mainstream sites that can discuss this, but I would not be surprised if there are Chinese forums, that discuss things like the “baizuo”, that were not too happy with such a relationship.
     
    I wouldn't be surprised if cinematic mud-sharking turns off the Chinese:


    Nanjing anti-African protests

    As well as resentment about the larger stipends given to African students, hostility from Chinese students towards Africans also flared up when there was contact between African men and Chinese women. In an incident in Shanghai in 1979, African students were attacked after playing loud music and making sexual remarks to Chinese women. These clashes became more common during the 1980s and sometimes led to arrests and deportations of African students. Cultural differences in dating habits added to the tensions.
     

    On December 24, 1988 two male African students were entering their campus at Hohai University in Nanjing with two Chinese women. The occasion was a Christmas Eve party. A quarrel between one of the Africans and a Chinese security guard, who had suspected that the women the African students tried to bring into the campus were prostitutes and refused their entry, led to a brawl between the African and Chinese students on the campus which lasted till the morning, leaving 13 students injured.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_anti-African_protests

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    Incredible.

    I think that ad would have been considered in poor taste in the U.S. 100 years ago.

    "Our detergent is so strong, it will turn filthy mud people into clean upstanding white folks."

    It's definitely a step beyond all the giant-lipped fried chicken and watermelon material that was accepted back then.

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  24. syonredux says:

    And speaking of casting good-looking people in movies, it’s always useful to remember that George Lucas was a huge fan of Alex Raymond’s Flash Gordon, which was certainly a comic strip that was known for its aesthetic appeal…

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    I can't think of a woman in that comic strip who wasn't a hottie!
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  25. Danindc says:

    “because he’s very handsome” …yes, yes, of course.

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  26. @whorefinder
    Exactly my point. The Marvel films, Transformers , and Star Wars aren't nostalgia trips for the Chinese, yet the Chinese love the former two and dislike the latter. Why? The first two are good popcorn fare--good film franchises--- while the latter Star Wars sequels aren't.

    The first Marvel and Transformers films would have made money even if they'd been bad because of the nostalgia from American male audiences remembering the fun cartoons/comics from their youth, but they would not have spawned the myriad of sequels and spinoffs and been popular in China. Keven Feige deserves a lot of credit for creating a sequence of superhero films with the same tone that both deliver fanboi nostalgia service and yet are fun movies to watch.

    The Disney Star Wars are bad films, so they are only propped up by American male audience nostalgia, and the Chinese don't like them.

    Transformers IS nostalgic for the Chinese–the original cartoon was one of the first things from the West that was allowed to be shown on Chinese TV, so they associate it with the cool, modern outside world. You can be in incredibly rural areas in China & see minibuses with giant Optimus Prime decals on the side. They genuinely love the Transformers.

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    You can be in incredibly rural areas in China & see minibuses with giant Optimus Prime decals on the side. They genuinely love the Transformers.

    That's kind of funny, since the show was based on a line of Japanese toys, and animated by Japanese and South Korean people. The only thing the Westerners really did was come up with stories about the Japanese toys.
    , @whorefinder
    Are you sure the Transformers-in-Chinese-culture today isn't just from the movies? The original live-action Michael Bay Transformers film turns 11 years old this year.

    In any event, I've heard that random flotsam and jetsam of American pop culture becomes huge in various nations where only limited parts of our culture emerge. In Poland, the Polish people nicknamed a building "Skeletor" back in the 1980s because the cartoon He-Man (which features the villain Skeletor) happened to have snuck into Polish communist culture and was quite popular.
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  27. Danindc says:

    Growing up, we always thought kids that loved Star Wars were faggy. Has that changed?

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    Growing up, we always thought kids that loved Star Wars were faggy. Has that changed?

    To some extent, it has, but I think the biggest change is in how much cooler it is now to be kind of faggy.
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  28. Arclight says:

    I feel bad for Boyega – he is given an implausible role as the galaxy’s only black storm trooper who somehow knows a ton of insider stuff about how the Empire works, and has to deliver 3rd rate comedic lines. However, he actually seems like an actor that would be good in a well-written comedy.

    Adam Driver is totally miscast – his mumbly delivery and misshapen looks are impossible to take seriously. Ms. Tran is kind of plain-looking and is given a very stupid character with bad lines.

    Oscar Isaac is also given subpar material but he seems to have charisma. But he’s not the star because he’s a man, and these new movies are about as subtle as a brick to the head when it comes to making women the strong and wise ‘heroes’ of the film.

    Mark Hamill is not and never has been a good actor.

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    Mark Hamill is not and never has been a good actor.
     
    His turn as The Joker in decades of Batman media says otherwise.
    , @MEH 0910

    Mark Hamill is not and never has been a good actor.
     
    I thought Hamill was a good voice actor as the Joker on Batman: The Animated Series.
    , @Stebbing Heuer

    But he’s not the star because he’s a man, and these new movies are about as subtle as a brick to the head when it comes to making women the strong and wise ‘heroes’ of the film.
     
    They're now openly trying to rub our noses in it:

    https://cdn1.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/scale_crop_768_433/2017/04/archerfilmfestival-web-img_4330_-_h_2017.jpg

    As Maggie, a woman who knew something about actual power, once said, 'If you have to tell people you are, you aren't.'
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  29. syonredux says:
    @songbird
    I think it is kind of strange and funny that they tried to pass off Adam Driver as the son of Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher.

    IMO, Fisher mostly just aged. Oh, don't get me wrong: she lived roughly. But she was younger than Portman in her first Star Wars film, and no 60 y.o. woman looks good when put next to her 18 or 19 y.o. self. Not a lot of people remember her other movies (I only remembers her in "The 'Burbs" and just barely) so it is just like putting them side by side.

    I think it is kind of strange and funny that they tried to pass off Adam Driver as the son of Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher.

    Yeah. It’s kinda hard to figure out how this combo

    produces this

    Maybe that’s why Han left? He looked at that kid and figured that there was no way in hell that he was the father….

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    • Replies: @songbird
    Lol. But in all seriousness, I thought that storyline was kind of a bummer. I mean Han had an arc. Besides, Ford's other iconic character already had an annoying son.
    , @40 Acres and A Kardashian

    Maybe that’s why Han left? He looked at that kid and figured that there was no way in hell that he was the father….
     
    Based on that pic, I think Kylo Ren's real dad might be Webb Hubbell.
    , @MEH 0910
    Leia cheated on Han with the Who's Pete Townshend.

    https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/photo-of-pete-townshend-and-the-who-pete-townshend-posed-in-hotel-picture-id86201969
    , @Anonymous

    Maybe that’s why Han left? He looked at that kid and figured that there was no way in hell that he was the father….
     
    LOL! Whoever casted Adam Driver to play Kylo Ren should be fired. It wouldn't have been so bad if he had kept his Darth Vader mask on, but as soon as he took it off, I lost all respect for the new series. How can anyone take this guy seriously as the antagonist?
    , @Anonymous
    Genetic recombination's a hell of a thing. Just look at Ford's real-life sons, or Demi Moore and Bruce Willis' daughters, or the children of any number of attractive people. Having good-looking parents is no guarantee. Beautiful people are incredibly lucky.
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  30. Truth says:
    @syonredux

    Having an African being the love interest of an Asian women might also not be very appealing in a movie shown in China. There are very few mainstream sites that can discuss this, but I would not be surprised if there are Chinese forums, that discuss things like the “baizuo”, that were not too happy with such a relationship.
     
    I wouldn't be surprised if cinematic mud-sharking turns off the Chinese:


    Nanjing anti-African protests

    As well as resentment about the larger stipends given to African students, hostility from Chinese students towards Africans also flared up when there was contact between African men and Chinese women. In an incident in Shanghai in 1979, African students were attacked after playing loud music and making sexual remarks to Chinese women. These clashes became more common during the 1980s and sometimes led to arrests and deportations of African students. Cultural differences in dating habits added to the tensions.
     

    On December 24, 1988 two male African students were entering their campus at Hohai University in Nanjing with two Chinese women. The occasion was a Christmas Eve party. A quarrel between one of the Africans and a Chinese security guard, who had suspected that the women the African students tried to bring into the campus were prostitutes and refused their entry, led to a brawl between the African and Chinese students on the campus which lasted till the morning, leaving 13 students injured.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_anti-African_protests

    I wouldn’t be surprised if cinematic mud-sharking turns off the Chinese:

    I would be surprised if you came up with new material.

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    I wouldn’t be surprised if cinematic mud-sharking turns off the Chinese:

    I would be surprised if you came up with new material.
     
    Dear fellow, classics never go out of style....
    , @Hunsdon
    Is this the pot calling the kettle, umm, black?
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  31. J.Ross says: • Website

    To a huge extent Star Wars is the mythological understanding of the US perspective of WWII transposed into space fantasy, thus why the Rebellion is underfunded and plucky and yet, like the Flying Tigers, they have beautifully piloted new fighters that can outdance the “planet-destroying” (genocidal) conformists in their huge dreadnoughts. WWII imagery and themes right down to AA batteries.
    The Chinese were in WWII as well. As Commies their antifascist mythohistory is a huge part of their identity and the source of uncountable hours of entertainment products. The Chinese mythic experience in WWII shares very little in common with the American one.
    So the logical thing to do would be to tailor a Star Wars story to the patterns and imagery of the Long March or Nanjing guerillas or something Chinese audiences would instantly or unconsciously — no, let’s just rehash the plot of the first movie, right down to the same damn wunderwaffen with a wamp rat-sized vulnerability.

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  32. Ivy says:

    Many Chinese in the 1977-1980 period probably had painful recent memories of their own farmer uncle Owen and aunt Beru being killed by Imperial Storm Troopers. The Great Leap Forward destruction wasn’t a distant memory at that point. Even with the uplift of Nixon’s trip to China, trepidation about Deng’s intentions and actions could have tempered interest in the west among the largely peasant populace.

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  33. Whiskey says: • Website

    Disney doesn’t care about making money. Execs get paid the same for a hit as a flop.

    It’s about sticking it to White men hated by all the women in Hollywood. Half Hollywood White men are like Harvey Weinstein. A quarter like Kevin Spacey. Many like Judd Apatow or Seth Rogen

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    Hey Whiskers why don't you 'splain us why the bad girls didn't get the tingles for bad boy Oscar Isaac?
    , @keypusher
    Disney doesn’t care about making money.

    I hope that's the stupidest thing I read all year.

    Wretched as the new movie seems to be (my daughter, who's a big fan of the franchise, hated it), it's making a lot of money. I'm sure Disney is sorry TLJ isn't doing better in China, but $1.2 billion and counting is doubtless consoling.

    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=starwars8.htm

    Incidentally, why "The Last Jedi"? Would that it were so!

    , @Lurker
    Fellow White Men like Harvey Weinstein, Judd Apatow or Seth Rogen.
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  34. songbird says:
    @syonredux

    I think it is kind of strange and funny that they tried to pass off Adam Driver as the son of Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher.
     
    Yeah. It's kinda hard to figure out how this combo

    http://media.comicbook.com/2015/12/han-solo-163307.jpg

    https://am22.akamaized.net/tms/cnt/uploads/2017/08/leiatop1-650x574.jpg

    produces this


    http://digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/17/41/980x490/landscape-1507602073-sw6.jpg


    Maybe that's why Han left? He looked at that kid and figured that there was no way in hell that he was the father....

    Lol. But in all seriousness, I thought that storyline was kind of a bummer. I mean Han had an arc. Besides, Ford’s other iconic character already had an annoying son.

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  35. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    We fans often joke that if Finn were played by Will Smith, Chinese people might be more inclined to watch it — because he’s very handsome.”
     
    With one line this Chinese writer just destroyed about 35% of the unzista pet themes.

    With one line this Chinese writer just destroyed about 35% of the unzista pet themes.

    The line said “more inclined”, not “especially inclined”, Troof. Nobody ever doubted that a handsome black guy would do better than an average-looking black guy. The question is whether an average-looking black guy would do as well as an average-looking white guy.

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  36. Luke Lea says:
    @syonredux

    To young Chinese, the 1977 Star Wars is more out of date today than Casablanca was to young Americans in 1977.
     
    Humphrey Bogart is always cool


    https://images05.military.com/sites/default/files/media/veteran-jobs/content-images/2013/12/humphreybogartheadshot.jpg

    “Humphrey Bogart is always cool.”

    I’ve often thought that if anyone ever acted like Bogart in real life he’d get kicked off the sidewalk. (Unless he was 6′ 4″ 240 lbs)

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  37. The original films put Nordic manliness (Luke and Han) front and center, and management has been walking that back ever since.

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    LOL, I wonder how many isteve fans realize that Harrison Ford is (gasp!) Jewish
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  38. syonredux says:
    @Truth



    I wouldn’t be surprised if cinematic mud-sharking turns off the Chinese:
     
    I would be surprised if you came up with new material.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if cinematic mud-sharking turns off the Chinese:

    I would be surprised if you came up with new material.

    Dear fellow, classics never go out of style….

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  39. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Earl Lemongrab
    Transformers IS nostalgic for the Chinese--the original cartoon was one of the first things from the West that was allowed to be shown on Chinese TV, so they associate it with the cool, modern outside world. You can be in incredibly rural areas in China & see minibuses with giant Optimus Prime decals on the side. They genuinely love the Transformers.

    You can be in incredibly rural areas in China & see minibuses with giant Optimus Prime decals on the side. They genuinely love the Transformers.

    That’s kind of funny, since the show was based on a line of Japanese toys, and animated by Japanese and South Korean people. The only thing the Westerners really did was come up with stories about the Japanese toys.

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    Funny story about the Transformers: originally, they were just mecha. Mecha is a term for giant robots controlled by humans, and is quite a common trope in Japanese manga and children's toys. In the earliest versions of the Transformers toys there was a tiny little figure in the cabs of the Transformers who was supposed to be controlling them. Then the American companies ditched the idea and decided to make the robots sentient in the cartoon.

    Another Japanese import from the era was Voltron, which kept the mecha aspects of the toys in the cartoon.
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  40. Alden says:
    @syonredux

    But the current franchise does have one actor with some old-fashioned movie star power: Oscar Isaac. He’s basically in there to be Han Solo if in 1977 George Lucas had cast Al Pacino instead of Harrison Ford. And Isaac even has Intersectionality Pokemon Points a Latino and Middle Easterner because he’s some kind of Conquistador-American / Crusader-American. (His father is a Miami surgeon.) And he is a classy actor often cast as royalty (e.g., King John in 2010′s Ridley Scott Robin Hood). Granted, he’s never quite broken through yet to stardom despite getting cast as the lead in movies by the Coen Brothers and J.C. Chandor, but at least you notice him every time he’s on screen.

    So why won’t they let these latest sequels be more about the one potential movie star they have on the premises?
     
    Because the current Star Wars film cycle is all about taking down YT, and Oscar Isaac's POC credentials are kinda flimsy. Don't get me wrong, SJWs love to talk up Isaac's Latinx status, but they also understand that his optics are pretty bad. After all, how POC can a guy be if Ridley Scott had him play King John in a Robin Hood movie? Isaac's POC-ness is of the kind that requires constant verbal affirmation,


    https://bongofuse.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Oscar-Isaac-as-Poe-Dameron-in-Star-Wars-The-Last-Jedi.jpg


    whereas John Boyega's is self-evident


    https://cdn.flickeringmyth.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Star-Wars-7-Trailer-Photo-John-Boyega-StormtrooperLSWaltDisneyStudios_article_story_large.jpg

    Did you have to post the picture of that hideous star trooper?

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  41. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Danindc
    Growing up, we always thought kids that loved Star Wars were faggy. Has that changed?

    Growing up, we always thought kids that loved Star Wars were faggy. Has that changed?

    To some extent, it has, but I think the biggest change is in how much cooler it is now to be kind of faggy.

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  42. syonredux says:
    @Coemgen
    Veronica Ngo is very attractive--though she was killed-off early in the movie. I thought it was going to be a good movie after the segment where the camera followed her up a ladder. That segment probably required a lot of re-takes...

    Veronica Ngo is very attractive–though she was killed-off early in the movie. I thought it was going to be a good movie after the segment where the camera followed her up a ladder. That segment probably required a lot of re-takes…

    Yeah, the Tico sisters, Paige and Rose. They kill off Paige

    But keep Rose alive

    The only way that I can make sense of that is that the producers were blatantly attempting to appeal to feminist film critics…

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    That's what I found funny too. But dumpy fangirls don't actually want to see themselves on screen, they want Rose's sister who can be their surrogate, otherwise you're directly insulting them and there are plenty of them who don't look so plain. I like to imagine they modelled her on the famous 'Cho Chan' Harry Potter ranter, because the girl who asked the question that caused JJ Abrams to awkwardly reply 'Go Asians!' looked like a model.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFPWwx96Kew

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97PuLYZzTJs
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  43. @syonredux

    I think it is kind of strange and funny that they tried to pass off Adam Driver as the son of Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher.
     
    Yeah. It's kinda hard to figure out how this combo

    http://media.comicbook.com/2015/12/han-solo-163307.jpg

    https://am22.akamaized.net/tms/cnt/uploads/2017/08/leiatop1-650x574.jpg

    produces this


    http://digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/17/41/980x490/landscape-1507602073-sw6.jpg


    Maybe that's why Han left? He looked at that kid and figured that there was no way in hell that he was the father....

    Maybe that’s why Han left? He looked at that kid and figured that there was no way in hell that he was the father….

    Based on that pic, I think Kylo Ren’s real dad might be Webb Hubbell.

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    Hans Gruber
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  44. I was disappointed with The Last Jedi. I liked Johnson’s Looper and thought Rogue One and The Force Awakens were decent (despite the latter’s plot plagiarism) so I had high hopes. Parts of it were good (most of Luke and Rey and Kylo) but the rest was an abysmal mess that overshadowed everything else (i.e. the stupid animal-rights/capitalism is evil interlude that thematically had nothing to do with the rest of the story).

    Whats the deal with making shitty versions of nerdy blockbuster treasures and putting in a few minorities to make it immune from criticism? Ghostbusters now The Last Jedi. Is it cultural territory marking? An ingenious way of hedging bad reviews?

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  45. Anon. says:

    The answer of course is that there IS no star of the new trilogy because every bit supporting part had to be elevated to a lead in order to ensure that there was a lead part for every racial/sexual grievance group. My god, they even killed off beloved Admiral Ackbar just to make room for a Strong Woman.

    The result ironically has humans as an even more hegemonically dominant racial group than we were in the past, in a universe teeming with aliens. You would think cheap CGI would mean more aliens (cf. Jar-Jar Binks), but no. The aliens get the same status as Apu in the Simpsons. (This universe has humans, diverse humans, and, umm, miscellaneous.) Sorry, Ackbar. No room for you, but just wait till you see the transgender Navajo admiral we have planned for Episode 9!

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    My god, they even killed off beloved Admiral Ackbar just to make room for a Strong Woman.
     
    The Lobster-American community doesn't have a very good sense of identity yet, let alone an effective greviance lobby in Hollywood.
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  46. @songbird
    I think it is kind of strange and funny that they tried to pass off Adam Driver as the son of Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher.

    IMO, Fisher mostly just aged. Oh, don't get me wrong: she lived roughly. But she was younger than Portman in her first Star Wars film, and no 60 y.o. woman looks good when put next to her 18 or 19 y.o. self. Not a lot of people remember her other movies (I only remembers her in "The 'Burbs" and just barely) so it is just like putting them side by side.

    It happens in a lot of tv shows/movies- it’s bad but far from the worst. One that always bugs me (and happens in Game of Thrones a few times) is when they have brown eyed kids as the children of 2 blue eyed parents. It’s just lazy- make one of the parents wear some contacts if you just have to have that particular child actor.

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    Rewatching Twin Peaks I was struck by how a huge number of actors on that show have blue eyes.
    , @songbird
    A funny one is when they have parents that are a mixed-race pairing, but they seem to have trouble actually finding mixed-race kids, so some, for instance, are white and some Indian.
    , @Mr. Anon
    For the most part, Hollywood seems to pay little to no attention to casting people to play relatives who actually look like they could be relatives.
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  47. Hunsdon says:
    @Truth



    I wouldn’t be surprised if cinematic mud-sharking turns off the Chinese:
     
    I would be surprised if you came up with new material.

    Is this the pot calling the kettle, umm, black?

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  48. Hunsdon says:
    @Whiskey
    Disney doesn't care about making money. Execs get paid the same for a hit as a flop.

    It's about sticking it to White men hated by all the women in Hollywood. Half Hollywood White men are like Harvey Weinstein. A quarter like Kevin Spacey. Many like Judd Apatow or Seth Rogen

    Hey Whiskers why don’t you ‘splain us why the bad girls didn’t get the tingles for bad boy Oscar Isaac?

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    BC its Kathleen Kennedy that matters. And she's a feminist The only audience that matters is Kennedy
    , @Neoconned
    Issac is Hispanic but he's whiter than I am and I'm a southern redneck.

    That appeals to some hippie ish white women but not flyover country white women.
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  49. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    Isaac was the only decent looking person in the movie. It's not just Finn and the frumpy Asian girl. Adam Driver is weird/funny looking. Laura Dern has always been a bit odd looking. Domnhall Gleeson is a bit sickly looking and not handsome. And Carrie Fisher looked terrible, presumably from decades of drug and alcohol use.

    Adam Driver is interesting/striking looking, but he’s also handsome, no?

    Carrie Fisher also sounded like she had dentures when she talked.

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    Movie star handsome? I don't think so. I don't think most people would say he's regular person handsome either. Interesting looking is probably being charitable. He's not necessarily bad looking as a regular person. In some of his pictures, he looks ok, but in a lot of his pictures he looks like a really inbred redneck from Appalachia or something with some American Indian ancestry. In other pictures he looks like an ugly, slightly retarded version of Keanu Reeves.
    , @Neoconned
    A lot of women do like Issac. But like Hayden Christensen who played the young Vader he just lacks Harrison Ford's charisma.

    Adam Driver has that dark bad boy thing to him but he's too working class looking and is part Asian I think.

    He also has the baggage of having screwed Lena Dunham in her terrible show.

    Women saw that and said eeeewwww I don't wanna share w that smelly skank.
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  50. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @songbird
    I think it is kind of strange and funny that they tried to pass off Adam Driver as the son of Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher.

    IMO, Fisher mostly just aged. Oh, don't get me wrong: she lived roughly. But she was younger than Portman in her first Star Wars film, and no 60 y.o. woman looks good when put next to her 18 or 19 y.o. self. Not a lot of people remember her other movies (I only remembers her in "The 'Burbs" and just barely) so it is just like putting them side by side.

    Fisher aged badly because she lived roughly. Here’s a pic of Carrie Fisher’s mom at 60:

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    • Replies: @Meretricious
    Debbie Reynolds was also an alcoholic
    , @songbird
    I concede your point.
    , @MEH 0910
    Fisher being bipolar didn't help either.
    , @Mr. Anon
    Yes, Debbie Reynolds did indeed age well. And Carrie Fisher's half-sister, Jolie Fisher still looks good, and much better than Carrie did at the same age. Carrie Fisher had good genes; it's a pity she had the addiction problems that ruined her looks and led to her untimely death.
    , @Truth
    For the 400th time, that's Carrie Fisher's Dad, not Mom. And Carrie was a chip off the old block.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76CNhMvedfk
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  51. MEH 0910 says:
    @neutral
    You left out Daisy Ridley.

    She looks like a bitchy elf.

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    The most elvish looking celebrity has to be Lauren Mayberry of Chvrches, but unlike Ridley, she's very easy on the eyes: http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/2016+Coachella+Valley+Music+Arts+Festival+wniKg_1FykOx.jpg
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  52. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    One problem with making Oscar Isaac the star is that the plot makes him a reckless hothead who needs to be reined in by the wise lady flag officers Carrie Fisher and Laura Dern.

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    That's the thing, though. He didn't seem like a hothead to me. He was basically right, wasn't he?

    And Laura Dern's plan was pretty stupid. She got a bunch of people killed, and destroyed one of their own ships, just to cripple an Empire ship, which just slowed them down a bit.

    And I still don't get why she had to be so secretive about her stupid plan. She didn't even say that she had a plan at all, did she? She just told the guy to shut up.

    It was such a stupid thing for the writers to do. Because, quite apart from current politics and all the girl power and whatnot, Laura Dern was like the archetype of every uptight grade school teacher telling all the boys to settle down and stop being so rambunctious. Theoretically, at least, their target audience is a bunch of rambunctious boys, so how could they have thought that the scene where she dresses him down would play well? Who would have possibly liked that, except for other horrible, boy-hating, purple-haired women?

    I admit that I don't really follow the discussion online about the new Star Wars much, but does anyone actually like that character? I've never heard from anyone who did.

    People sometimes say that adults just don't like the new Star Wars because they're seeing it as adults, and not as children, but if I had seen this as a kid, that woman would have permanently soured me on the whole movie.
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  53. compared to previous Star Wars, this iteration is a flop. This diversity pimp/Lucasfilm writer/producer should be fired:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/22/movies/star-wars-last-jedi-women-run-universe.html

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    Yeah, it's only made $1.2B worldwide, and his the third most successful movie of the century.
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  54. whorefinder says: • Website
    @anon
    You can be in incredibly rural areas in China & see minibuses with giant Optimus Prime decals on the side. They genuinely love the Transformers.

    That's kind of funny, since the show was based on a line of Japanese toys, and animated by Japanese and South Korean people. The only thing the Westerners really did was come up with stories about the Japanese toys.

    Funny story about the Transformers: originally, they were just mecha. Mecha is a term for giant robots controlled by humans, and is quite a common trope in Japanese manga and children’s toys. In the earliest versions of the Transformers toys there was a tiny little figure in the cabs of the Transformers who was supposed to be controlling them. Then the American companies ditched the idea and decided to make the robots sentient in the cartoon.

    Another Japanese import from the era was Voltron, which kept the mecha aspects of the toys in the cartoon.

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  55. MEH 0910 says:
    @syonredux

    I think it is kind of strange and funny that they tried to pass off Adam Driver as the son of Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher.
     
    Yeah. It's kinda hard to figure out how this combo

    http://media.comicbook.com/2015/12/han-solo-163307.jpg

    https://am22.akamaized.net/tms/cnt/uploads/2017/08/leiatop1-650x574.jpg

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    http://digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/17/41/980x490/landscape-1507602073-sw6.jpg


    Maybe that's why Han left? He looked at that kid and figured that there was no way in hell that he was the father....
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  56. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Earl Lemongrab
    Transformers IS nostalgic for the Chinese--the original cartoon was one of the first things from the West that was allowed to be shown on Chinese TV, so they associate it with the cool, modern outside world. You can be in incredibly rural areas in China & see minibuses with giant Optimus Prime decals on the side. They genuinely love the Transformers.

    Are you sure the Transformers-in-Chinese-culture today isn’t just from the movies? The original live-action Michael Bay Transformers film turns 11 years old this year.

    In any event, I’ve heard that random flotsam and jetsam of American pop culture becomes huge in various nations where only limited parts of our culture emerge. In Poland, the Polish people nicknamed a building “Skeletor” back in the 1980s because the cartoon He-Man (which features the villain Skeletor) happened to have snuck into Polish communist culture and was quite popular.

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  57. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    One problem with making Oscar Isaac the star is that the plot makes him a reckless hothead who needs to be reined in by the wise lady flag officers Carrie Fisher and Laura Dern.

    That’s the thing, though. He didn’t seem like a hothead to me. He was basically right, wasn’t he?

    And Laura Dern’s plan was pretty stupid. She got a bunch of people killed, and destroyed one of their own ships, just to cripple an Empire ship, which just slowed them down a bit.

    And I still don’t get why she had to be so secretive about her stupid plan. She didn’t even say that she had a plan at all, did she? She just told the guy to shut up.

    It was such a stupid thing for the writers to do. Because, quite apart from current politics and all the girl power and whatnot, Laura Dern was like the archetype of every uptight grade school teacher telling all the boys to settle down and stop being so rambunctious. Theoretically, at least, their target audience is a bunch of rambunctious boys, so how could they have thought that the scene where she dresses him down would play well? Who would have possibly liked that, except for other horrible, boy-hating, purple-haired women?

    I admit that I don’t really follow the discussion online about the new Star Wars much, but does anyone actually like that character? I’ve never heard from anyone who did.

    People sometimes say that adults just don’t like the new Star Wars because they’re seeing it as adults, and not as children, but if I had seen this as a kid, that woman would have permanently soured me on the whole movie.

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    In their own twisted logic, they think that chastising the lads will bring them around to the one true way.
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  58. He was good in Drive. A supporting role in a great movie, I only realized on the second viewing how well he conveyed the ambiguity if the character.

    lol I just realized he can be cast as an Anglo Saxon, a Mexican, or a Middle Easterner. These mystery meats are very versatile.

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    But can he be a Maori like Cliff Curtis?
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  59. Lagertha says:

    All Millennial men hated this movie…or, were bored, even if the makers tried to lure in young guys with the beautiful Daisy. Too much human, effin’ drama in this movie: “am I good; am I evil?” It was so pathetic. Even I, close to 60, thought it was so annoying…they assumed Millennials have not read Kierkegaard and Nietzsche. They assume teenagers are not cynical for eff’s sake!

    My sons, all of them, hated it. I liked it, as did my husband: we were so, shouted out- but got their point. Tough apres’ movie dinner :) Silence in the car (mom was angry) could not be even cut by a light saber.

    And, looks-wise, that was the least important thing. I like all the actors – their visage makes no difference: the story sucked. I especially, hated “the casino”: diversion. And, hated the clumsy linking of animal abuse and child abuse…and later, at the end: aspirational children. ugh. Don’t try to stick all the SJW stuff into one movie…or show it multiple times.

    According to Millennial men; basics: the story sucked big time/editing sucked/continuity sucked, duh = sucks. If the story sucks, duh. Special effects were excellent..but that’s expected from the franchise by now. I liked it, my sons hated it: but, I did feel sad that it was not par to the best of Star Wars. With all that money, it’s gotta be better.

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  60. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    I think it is kind of strange and funny that they tried to pass off Adam Driver as the son of Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher.
     
    Yeah. It's kinda hard to figure out how this combo

    http://media.comicbook.com/2015/12/han-solo-163307.jpg

    https://am22.akamaized.net/tms/cnt/uploads/2017/08/leiatop1-650x574.jpg

    produces this


    http://digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/17/41/980x490/landscape-1507602073-sw6.jpg


    Maybe that's why Han left? He looked at that kid and figured that there was no way in hell that he was the father....

    Maybe that’s why Han left? He looked at that kid and figured that there was no way in hell that he was the father….

    LOL! Whoever casted Adam Driver to play Kylo Ren should be fired. It wouldn’t have been so bad if he had kept his Darth Vader mask on, but as soon as he took it off, I lost all respect for the new series. How can anyone take this guy seriously as the antagonist?

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  61. @Dave Pinsen
    Fisher aged badly because she lived roughly. Here's a pic of Carrie Fisher's mom at 60: http://www.themoviescene.co.uk/reviews/_img/6562-3.jpg

    Debbie Reynolds was also an alcoholic

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  62. @whorefinder
    Exactly my point. The Marvel films, Transformers , and Star Wars aren't nostalgia trips for the Chinese, yet the Chinese love the former two and dislike the latter. Why? The first two are good popcorn fare--good film franchises--- while the latter Star Wars sequels aren't.

    The first Marvel and Transformers films would have made money even if they'd been bad because of the nostalgia from American male audiences remembering the fun cartoons/comics from their youth, but they would not have spawned the myriad of sequels and spinoffs and been popular in China. Keven Feige deserves a lot of credit for creating a sequence of superhero films with the same tone that both deliver fanboi nostalgia service and yet are fun movies to watch.

    The Disney Star Wars are bad films, so they are only propped up by American male audience nostalgia, and the Chinese don't like them.

    The female leads in the Transformers films included the likes of Megan Fox and Rosie Huntingdon-Whiteley.

    These are actresses who are nice to look at even if you’re Chinese.

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    The female leads in the Transformers films included the likes of Megan Fox and Rosie Huntingdon-Whiteley.

    These are actresses who are nice to look at even if you’re Chinese.

     

    Get WOKE, mansplainer. When the Revolution comes and the White Cis-Het Patriarchy is crushed, ALL of these women will be equally hot


    http://media.comicbook.com/2017/12/star-wars-the-last-jedi-rose-kelly-marie-tran-audition-1069038.jpeg

    http://www.v3wall.com/wallpaper/1440_900/1107/1440_900_20110711101550508042.jpg

    http://eskipaper.com/images/megan-fox-1.jpg
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  63. songbird says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Fisher aged badly because she lived roughly. Here's a pic of Carrie Fisher's mom at 60: http://www.themoviescene.co.uk/reviews/_img/6562-3.jpg

    I concede your point.

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  64. MEH 0910 says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Fisher aged badly because she lived roughly. Here's a pic of Carrie Fisher's mom at 60: http://www.themoviescene.co.uk/reviews/_img/6562-3.jpg

    Fisher being bipolar didn’t help either.

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    If nothing else, lithium is quite toxic, and the margin between the effective dose and serious poisoning is quite narrow. Between that and all the other drugs...
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  65. @Arclight
    I feel bad for Boyega - he is given an implausible role as the galaxy's only black storm trooper who somehow knows a ton of insider stuff about how the Empire works, and has to deliver 3rd rate comedic lines. However, he actually seems like an actor that would be good in a well-written comedy.

    Adam Driver is totally miscast - his mumbly delivery and misshapen looks are impossible to take seriously. Ms. Tran is kind of plain-looking and is given a very stupid character with bad lines.

    Oscar Isaac is also given subpar material but he seems to have charisma. But he's not the star because he's a man, and these new movies are about as subtle as a brick to the head when it comes to making women the strong and wise 'heroes' of the film.

    Mark Hamill is not and never has been a good actor.

    Mark Hamill is not and never has been a good actor.

    His turn as The Joker in decades of Batman media says otherwise.

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  66. J.Ross says: • Website
    @S. Anonyia
    It happens in a lot of tv shows/movies- it's bad but far from the worst. One that always bugs me (and happens in Game of Thrones a few times) is when they have brown eyed kids as the children of 2 blue eyed parents. It's just lazy- make one of the parents wear some contacts if you just have to have that particular child actor.

    Rewatching Twin Peaks I was struck by how a huge number of actors on that show have blue eyes.

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  67. @syonredux

    You left out Daisy Ridley.
     
    She's a semi-cute void.

    You left out Daisy Ridley.

    She’s a semi-cute void.

    In half her pictures I mistake her for Keira Knightley, and in the other half Lena Headey. Maybe she’s the third long lost sister.

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    You left out Daisy Ridley.

    She’s a semi-cute void.

    In half her pictures I mistake her for Keira Knightley, and in the other half Lena Headey. Maybe she’s the third long lost sister.
     
    Yes, the least attractive one, with zero charisma and very little acting ability.....
    , @guest
    Knightly, Headey, Ridley, they are similar. All weird-looking, which no one comments upon often enough:

    Boyish figures (that was a body-double and CGI on Headey's "walk of shame" on Game of Thrones).

    High cheekbones (which is masculine, despite what you've been led to believe).

    Alien shape. As in "grays."

    In what world are such women held up as ideals of beauty? (Ridley hasn't been so much, but the others have.) A world where taste is dictated by gay men.

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  68. MEH 0910 says:
    @Arclight
    I feel bad for Boyega - he is given an implausible role as the galaxy's only black storm trooper who somehow knows a ton of insider stuff about how the Empire works, and has to deliver 3rd rate comedic lines. However, he actually seems like an actor that would be good in a well-written comedy.

    Adam Driver is totally miscast - his mumbly delivery and misshapen looks are impossible to take seriously. Ms. Tran is kind of plain-looking and is given a very stupid character with bad lines.

    Oscar Isaac is also given subpar material but he seems to have charisma. But he's not the star because he's a man, and these new movies are about as subtle as a brick to the head when it comes to making women the strong and wise 'heroes' of the film.

    Mark Hamill is not and never has been a good actor.

    Mark Hamill is not and never has been a good actor.

    I thought Hamill was a good voice actor as the Joker on Batman: The Animated Series.

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  69. syonredux says:
    @Alec Leamas
    The female leads in the Transformers films included the likes of Megan Fox and Rosie Huntingdon-Whiteley.

    These are actresses who are nice to look at even if you're Chinese.

    The female leads in the Transformers films included the likes of Megan Fox and Rosie Huntingdon-Whiteley.

    These are actresses who are nice to look at even if you’re Chinese.

    Get WOKE, mansplainer. When the Revolution comes and the White Cis-Het Patriarchy is crushed, ALL of these women will be equally hot

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    Don't plan to see the movie but sure like the last one!
    , @Twinkie

    Megan Fox
     
    Yeah, but she has a terrible personality. Or so I heard.
    , @Truth

    ALL of these women will be equally hot
     
    OK, it's bedtime, goodnight.
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  70. songbird says:
    @S. Anonyia
    It happens in a lot of tv shows/movies- it's bad but far from the worst. One that always bugs me (and happens in Game of Thrones a few times) is when they have brown eyed kids as the children of 2 blue eyed parents. It's just lazy- make one of the parents wear some contacts if you just have to have that particular child actor.

    A funny one is when they have parents that are a mixed-race pairing, but they seem to have trouble actually finding mixed-race kids, so some, for instance, are white and some Indian.

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  71. syonredux says:
    @Alec Leamas


    You left out Daisy Ridley.

     

    She’s a semi-cute void.

     

    In half her pictures I mistake her for Keira Knightley, and in the other half Lena Headey. Maybe she's the third long lost sister.

    You left out Daisy Ridley.

    She’s a semi-cute void.

    In half her pictures I mistake her for Keira Knightley, and in the other half Lena Headey. Maybe she’s the third long lost sister.

    Yes, the least attractive one, with zero charisma and very little acting ability…..

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    Daisy Ridley is almost very good looking. Maybe she's stunning in real life. I agree that many of her facial expressions are strikingly like Keira Knightley's.

    Being about the same age as Steve, I can remember that many guys didn't think that Carrie Fisher was particularly cute. But Star Wars fans mostly did.

    Beauty standards in the late 1970s in America were being set by women like Cheryl Tiegs. Female athleticism was a new aesthetic then in standards for American female beauty. Being aerobically and otherwise fit is, of course, a precondition and a norm now, for both men and women to be considered "good-looking."

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/944532960589606917/K0ssQz2H_400x400.jpg

    http://www.bilkulonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/carrie-fisher-star-wars.jpg


    http://www.jumpingfrog.com/images/ads-celebrity/77end019.jpg

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  72. Lagertha says:

    haha! as a mother, I am so happy with any of these actresses- don’t care about race! I want someone to love my son…simple. My sons are true-blue guys…they will die for their wife & family; they will love their spouse, no matter what. They come from a strong 16- generations of “intact” families (Finland, Armenia, Scotland)..I know, silly…haha, but true. Jack is gonna pile on me :( Sheesh, I have always been sentimental on this site – you guys know that. I’ve always been a mess, as they say in The South.

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    How about them living for their families instead? Families that include lots of children. That would be much more useful than dying.
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  73. There are actors who, while not classically handsome, are at least interesting to look at. A few that come to minds are Charles Bronson, Ernest Borgnine, and Warren Oates. Boyega, Driver, and Tran are just repulsive, though. They make me want to avert my gaze.

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    Or Peter Lorre or Edward G Robinson: compelling, interesting, not handsome but certainly not downright ugly. You could watch them for hours. I cannot imagine sitting through a movie as Boyega emotingly figures things out.
    When Sergei Eisenstein started directing he wrote properly revolutionary film essays that crashed into experience (in one he proposes that every crewmember ought to have an equal say in production!) and at one point he objects to the international adoption of a standard screen size as a brainless artistic limitation. Sophistry to be sure, and directors who really wanted to have different frame proportions made do with masking, but the logic was sound in an academic way. Now filmmakers in practice and not in fatuous essays want to abandon all sense of beauty.
    I am waiting for a "dark film" that challenges the structural privilege of the visible spectrum while nudging the audience to encounter each other in dialoging because they think the projectionist has had a heart attack.
    , @guest
    These were not "leading men" types. They got lead roles, but they were roles like Marty, where the story was built around the fact that Marty was not the type of man to be in a love story. Or the Death Wish guy, who was murdering ruffians instead of winning the hearts of fair maidens.
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  74. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Adam Driver is interesting/striking looking, but he's also handsome, no?

    Carrie Fisher also sounded like she had dentures when she talked.

    Movie star handsome? I don’t think so. I don’t think most people would say he’s regular person handsome either. Interesting looking is probably being charitable. He’s not necessarily bad looking as a regular person. In some of his pictures, he looks ok, but in a lot of his pictures he looks like a really inbred redneck from Appalachia or something with some American Indian ancestry. In other pictures he looks like an ugly, slightly retarded version of Keanu Reeves.

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    More like model handsome, I guess. You know when you see female models that aren't exactly pretty but draw your eye with their pissed off, vacant expressions and striking looks? The male version of that.
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  75. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Back in the real America (ended mid-to-late 20th C.) you could not sell to a demographic of middle age men to buy tickets to see their childhood comic book heroes in a movie.

    The real America was Christian, not secular. Middle age Christian men, like Paul, are more likely to “put away childish things.”

    Today we have secular America. Middle age men on skateboards. They don’t have any wisdom from the bible. Only television and movies.

    Agnostics/atheists are much more likely to be adult Star Wars fans.

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    I basically agree with your sentiment, but what's wrong with skateboards? Not a boarder myself, but they look like a fun and (potentially) practical transportation option.
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  76. Ivy says:
    @syonredux

    The female leads in the Transformers films included the likes of Megan Fox and Rosie Huntingdon-Whiteley.

    These are actresses who are nice to look at even if you’re Chinese.

     

    Get WOKE, mansplainer. When the Revolution comes and the White Cis-Het Patriarchy is crushed, ALL of these women will be equally hot


    http://media.comicbook.com/2017/12/star-wars-the-last-jedi-rose-kelly-marie-tran-audition-1069038.jpeg

    http://www.v3wall.com/wallpaper/1440_900/1107/1440_900_20110711101550508042.jpg

    http://eskipaper.com/images/megan-fox-1.jpg

    Don’t plan to see the movie but sure like the last one!

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  77. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Hunsdon
    Hey Whiskers why don't you 'splain us why the bad girls didn't get the tingles for bad boy Oscar Isaac?

    BC its Kathleen Kennedy that matters. And she’s a feminist The only audience that matters is Kennedy

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    You know whiskey one thing that has become clear to me is that no matter what nature abhors a vacuum and no matter what women will be ruled by a Sharia. Whether that Sharia is ours or the Muslim Invaders it doesn't matter.

    But all this started w the English and their whore women starting around the time of Henry the 8th and spread out like a virus there after with their weak men and small families

    Whether they will be ruled by white Christian jackboots or Islamic birqas is the question but no matter what they will bitch and complain til they get their dominance.

    I'm almost inclined to support making a deal w the Muslim men.... we'll pay them a dowry and basically buy their hottest MENA & Asian Muslim women and in turn we round up our feminists and strip them if citizenship and sell them to the birqa pushers.

    Like you said, no fat shaming and lots of aristocrat type drama and intrigue for the broads to wonder about in their new harem house in the casbah

    Those Saud prince types go wild for our over priced bottle blond Instagram attention whores.

    I say let's make the trade & be rid of this social pestilence.....
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  78. Neoconned says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Adam Driver is interesting/striking looking, but he's also handsome, no?

    Carrie Fisher also sounded like she had dentures when she talked.

    A lot of women do like Issac. But like Hayden Christensen who played the young Vader he just lacks Harrison Ford’s charisma.

    Adam Driver has that dark bad boy thing to him but he’s too working class looking and is part Asian I think.

    He also has the baggage of having screwed Lena Dunham in her terrible show.

    Women saw that and said eeeewwww I don’t wanna share w that smelly skank.

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    Wikipedia doesn't say anything about Asian ancestry for him, but maybe he can be his generation's Yul Brenner, combining charisma with exotic looks.

    That he survived Girls, and became the biggest star out of it, is a credit to him.

    , @syonredux

    Adam Driver has that dark bad boy thing to him but he’s too working class looking and is part Asian I think.
     
    Not according to Ethni-Celebs

    Birth Name: Adam Douglas Driver

    Place of Birth: San Bernardino, California, United States

    Date of Birth: November 19, 1983

    Ethnicity: English, along with 1/8th Dutch, small amounts of German, Irish, Scottish, Scots-Irish/Northern Irish, more distant Welsh, remote Swedish

    Adam Driver is an American actor. He is the son of Nancy (Needham) and Joe Douglas Driver. His father has English, along with German, some Scottish, Irish, Scots-Irish/Northern Irish, distant Welsh, and remote Swedish, ancestry. His mother has English, 1/4 Dutch, and some German and Irish, ancestry. His father’s family is from Arkansas and his mother’s family is from Indiana, where Adam was raised, in Mishawaka. His stepfather is a Baptist minister, and Adam had a religious upbringing. He is married to actress Joanne Tucker.

    After 9/11, Adam joined the United States Marine Corps, and served in Afghanistan.

     

    http://ethnicelebs.com/adam-driver
    , @guest
    Isaac lacks Harrison Ford's charisma, but Han Solo is a rake for all time. He's up there with Rhett Butler. It's not exactly a fair comparison.

    Neither is lumping Isaac in with Christensen, who had the charisma of a soggy cardboard box. Which may have been the director's fault, but he was also a dud in other movies. (Though occasionally he got it right, like in Shattered Glass.)

    Isaac gives the most compelling performances in the new series, and it's not even close.

    Driver I think was cast because he vaguely resembles Harrison Ford. He is attractive when he's in full costume doing neat force stuff.
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  79. Neoconned says:
    @Hunsdon
    Hey Whiskers why don't you 'splain us why the bad girls didn't get the tingles for bad boy Oscar Isaac?

    Issac is Hispanic but he’s whiter than I am and I’m a southern redneck.

    That appeals to some hippie ish white women but not flyover country white women.

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  80. SOL says:
    @syonredux
    And speaking of casting good-looking people in movies, it's always useful to remember that George Lucas was a huge fan of Alex Raymond's Flash Gordon, which was certainly a comic strip that was known for its aesthetic appeal...

    https://static1.squarespace.com/static/4f209325d09a4f024c85b060/t/5122e4bfe4b0dce195c9e12f/1361241284610/fgfria1a.png


    http://flashgordon.marianobayona.com/selec13.jpg

    I can’t think of a woman in that comic strip who wasn’t a hottie!

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  81. eah says:

    Maybe because it’s a shitty movie and shitty movies generally don’t have ‘stars’? — not to mention that he isn’t a “star” in any sense of the word.

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  82. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Harry Baldwin
    There are actors who, while not classically handsome, are at least interesting to look at. A few that come to minds are Charles Bronson, Ernest Borgnine, and Warren Oates. Boyega, Driver, and Tran are just repulsive, though. They make me want to avert my gaze.

    Or Peter Lorre or Edward G Robinson: compelling, interesting, not handsome but certainly not downright ugly. You could watch them for hours. I cannot imagine sitting through a movie as Boyega emotingly figures things out.
    When Sergei Eisenstein started directing he wrote properly revolutionary film essays that crashed into experience (in one he proposes that every crewmember ought to have an equal say in production!) and at one point he objects to the international adoption of a standard screen size as a brainless artistic limitation. Sophistry to be sure, and directors who really wanted to have different frame proportions made do with masking, but the logic was sound in an academic way. Now filmmakers in practice and not in fatuous essays want to abandon all sense of beauty.
    I am waiting for a “dark film” that challenges the structural privilege of the visible spectrum while nudging the audience to encounter each other in dialoging because they think the projectionist has had a heart attack.

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  83. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @HunInTheSun
    The original films put Nordic manliness (Luke and Han) front and center, and management has been walking that back ever since.

    LOL, I wonder how many isteve fans realize that Harrison Ford is (gasp!) Jewish

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    LOL, I wonder how many isteve fans realize that Harrison Ford is (gasp!) Jewish

     

    Half Ashkenazi:

    Ethnicity:
    *Irish and one quarter German (father)
    *Ashkenazi Jewish (mother)

    Harrison Ford is an American actor and producer. He is the son of Dora/Dorothy (Nidelman), a radio actress, and Christopher Ford (born John William Ford), an actor and advertising executive. His brother is actor Terence Ford.

    Harrison’s father was born in Manhattan, New York, of three quarters Irish and one quarter German ancestry. Harrison’s mother, also born in New York, was Jewish, the daughter of Jewish immigrants from Minsk, Belarus (at that time, Minsk was part of the Russian Empire). Harrison was raised around both Catholicism (his father’s religion) and Judaism (his mother’s religion). Harrison’s father’s first wife, Celia Mast, was also Jewish.

    On Inside the Actors Studio (2000), Harrison humorously stated, “As a man I’ve always felt Irish, as an actor I’ve always felt Jewish.”
     
    http://ethnicelebs.com/harrison-ford
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  84. Twinkie says:

    So why won’t they let these latest sequels be more about the one potential movie star they have on the premises?

    Did you see Oscar Isaacs jog in “A Most Violent Year”? He looks and runs like a girl, an overweight girl at that.

    He may have the face of a charming gangster, but he doesn’t give off that “awe shucks” masculinity that Harrison Ford did. Sure, most actors are really actresses inside, but they do a good job of pretending otherwise (aka “acting”). A good example is Arnold who looked like a superhero and acted like he could crush people onscreen, but was in reality quite a pansy, crying hysterically like a little girl when he slightly injured his leg on the set of “Conan the Barbarian.”

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  85. Twinkie says:
    @syonredux

    The female leads in the Transformers films included the likes of Megan Fox and Rosie Huntingdon-Whiteley.

    These are actresses who are nice to look at even if you’re Chinese.

     

    Get WOKE, mansplainer. When the Revolution comes and the White Cis-Het Patriarchy is crushed, ALL of these women will be equally hot


    http://media.comicbook.com/2017/12/star-wars-the-last-jedi-rose-kelly-marie-tran-audition-1069038.jpeg

    http://www.v3wall.com/wallpaper/1440_900/1107/1440_900_20110711101550508042.jpg

    http://eskipaper.com/images/megan-fox-1.jpg

    Megan Fox

    Yeah, but she has a terrible personality. Or so I heard.

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  86. @syonredux

    You left out Daisy Ridley.

    She’s a semi-cute void.

    In half her pictures I mistake her for Keira Knightley, and in the other half Lena Headey. Maybe she’s the third long lost sister.
     
    Yes, the least attractive one, with zero charisma and very little acting ability.....

    Daisy Ridley is almost very good looking. Maybe she’s stunning in real life. I agree that many of her facial expressions are strikingly like Keira Knightley’s.

    Being about the same age as Steve, I can remember that many guys didn’t think that Carrie Fisher was particularly cute. But Star Wars fans mostly did.

    Beauty standards in the late 1970s in America were being set by women like Cheryl Tiegs. Female athleticism was a new aesthetic then in standards for American female beauty. Being aerobically and otherwise fit is, of course, a precondition and a norm now, for both men and women to be considered “good-looking.”

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    You're talking about fads. Female aesthetics, on the other hand, don't change. (Though they vary across races.) They're hardwired in.

    Daisy Ridely is boyish and weird-looking, end of story.

    Fitness may be necessary, but alone it's insufficient. As you say, men can be fit, too. But if you're a woman who looks like a man, you are not beautiful. You must be both fit and shaped like a woman. Much like a man must be both fit and shaped like a man. Because human beings are sexually amorphous, don't forget.

    People get sidetracked by secondary concerns like overall fat and whatnot. Which I suspect is a ruse to slip ugly and/or ambiguously sexed people into the attractive club. Guess what, it's posts to be both athletic and womanly.

    , @guest
    By the way, Cheryl Tiegs isn't my cup of tea, and the fix was probably already in on what passes for feminine beauty in our corrupt society. But just look at those pictures. Why are we even comparing them, because they're all "athletic?" Tiegs blows Ridley away by face alone.

    Look at the shape of their faces? Look how boxy and squared-off Ridley's is. Look at the shape of Tiegs'. Not exactly oval, as is ideal, but rounded off. Heart-shaped, maybe. That's feminine. You can't see the difference in eyebrow ridge because of Tiegs' hat, but look at Ridley's Crow Magnon brow.

    Fisher was never a great beauty, but she easily outshines Ridley there. If you could see their bodies, Fisher would blow her away. Tiegs has not my favorite body type, but she has T&A and hips. Ridley is basically a boy.

    I don't like to nitpick like this, and I'll stop if other people stop inventing bizarre beauty standards.

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  87. Twinkie says:
    @Steve Sailer
    The Marvel and Transformer movies aren't nostalgia trips to Chinese audiences, they are state of the art big budget movies. In contrast, the new Star Wars movies seem kind of fuddy-duddy to the Chinese who don't have any emotional connection to the original two or three Star Wars movies. To young Chinese, the 1977 Star Wars is more out of date today than Casablanca was to young Americans in 1977.

    By the way, do you know what film – surprisingly – did really well with the mainland Chinese audiences in the ’80′s? “First Blood”!

    They liked the action, liked the whole Vietnam War victimized the Vietnamese AND the ordinary Americans angle, and even the anti-authority message (remember this was before the massive semi-capitalist boom in China).

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  88. @Antlitz Grollheim
    He was good in Drive. A supporting role in a great movie, I only realized on the second viewing how well he conveyed the ambiguity if the character.

    lol I just realized he can be cast as an Anglo Saxon, a Mexican, or a Middle Easterner. These mystery meats are very versatile.

    But can he be a Maori like Cliff Curtis?

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    And then halfway between Isaac and Curtis, with a shot of Adam Driver, Jemaine Clement.
    , @Twodees Partain
    Cliff Curtis played a very good Hill Street ese` veterano (Smiley) in Training Day. That's quite an accomplishment for a Maori or actually for anyone who isn't a native LA chulo. It's a role that's pretty hard for anybody who hasn't lived there. Trinidad Silva was one of the ones who played that kind of role convincingly because of who he was in life.

    Of course, Silva probably couldn't have played a Maori. All of that is to say that Cliff Curtis has a great range as an actor.

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  89. Mr. Anon says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Fisher aged badly because she lived roughly. Here's a pic of Carrie Fisher's mom at 60: http://www.themoviescene.co.uk/reviews/_img/6562-3.jpg

    Yes, Debbie Reynolds did indeed age well. And Carrie Fisher’s half-sister, Jolie Fisher still looks good, and much better than Carrie did at the same age. Carrie Fisher had good genes; it’s a pity she had the addiction problems that ruined her looks and led to her untimely death.

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  90. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    Movie star handsome? I don't think so. I don't think most people would say he's regular person handsome either. Interesting looking is probably being charitable. He's not necessarily bad looking as a regular person. In some of his pictures, he looks ok, but in a lot of his pictures he looks like a really inbred redneck from Appalachia or something with some American Indian ancestry. In other pictures he looks like an ugly, slightly retarded version of Keanu Reeves.

    More like model handsome, I guess. You know when you see female models that aren’t exactly pretty but draw your eye with their pissed off, vacant expressions and striking looks? The male version of that.

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  91. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Neoconned
    A lot of women do like Issac. But like Hayden Christensen who played the young Vader he just lacks Harrison Ford's charisma.

    Adam Driver has that dark bad boy thing to him but he's too working class looking and is part Asian I think.

    He also has the baggage of having screwed Lena Dunham in her terrible show.

    Women saw that and said eeeewwww I don't wanna share w that smelly skank.

    Wikipedia doesn’t say anything about Asian ancestry for him, but maybe he can be his generation’s Yul Brenner, combining charisma with exotic looks.

    That he survived Girls, and became the biggest star out of it, is a credit to him.

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    I've had the misfortune of seeing girls and most of the men either look like weird ethnic typed or look like cave men.

    Driver is the only one being an ex marine who's even halfway normal looking or who has that stud look. And who isn't gay. Ironically the straight men on that show seem kinda nerdy but they look like Jewish or Greek bodega owners from Jersey. The other guy who played Eli, her ex is flaming gay....

    What's terrible about that show is just how cringe bad it is.

    The only good looking woman is the English ditzy slut. And her personality on that show and I assume real life is so repulsive I'd rather put a bag over Lena's head and wrap up w three layers if u know what I mean before touching her ass.

    , @The Millennial Falcon
    Yul was exotic and good looking.

    Driver doesn't look exotic he just looks striking and, with the right pose, aristocratic. Alan Rickman is the best comp, though Driver lacks that voice.
    , @Anonymous
    His big breaks were playing Jewish characters in Girls and Frances Ha. That seems to be the main reason for his success so far. He can play Jewish characters. There are lots of Jewish roles because there are lots of Jewish writers and filmmakers who write them.
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  92. Ivy says:
    @anon
    That's the thing, though. He didn't seem like a hothead to me. He was basically right, wasn't he?

    And Laura Dern's plan was pretty stupid. She got a bunch of people killed, and destroyed one of their own ships, just to cripple an Empire ship, which just slowed them down a bit.

    And I still don't get why she had to be so secretive about her stupid plan. She didn't even say that she had a plan at all, did she? She just told the guy to shut up.

    It was such a stupid thing for the writers to do. Because, quite apart from current politics and all the girl power and whatnot, Laura Dern was like the archetype of every uptight grade school teacher telling all the boys to settle down and stop being so rambunctious. Theoretically, at least, their target audience is a bunch of rambunctious boys, so how could they have thought that the scene where she dresses him down would play well? Who would have possibly liked that, except for other horrible, boy-hating, purple-haired women?

    I admit that I don't really follow the discussion online about the new Star Wars much, but does anyone actually like that character? I've never heard from anyone who did.

    People sometimes say that adults just don't like the new Star Wars because they're seeing it as adults, and not as children, but if I had seen this as a kid, that woman would have permanently soured me on the whole movie.

    In their own twisted logic, they think that chastising the lads will bring them around to the one true way.

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  93. syonredux says:
    @Neoconned
    A lot of women do like Issac. But like Hayden Christensen who played the young Vader he just lacks Harrison Ford's charisma.

    Adam Driver has that dark bad boy thing to him but he's too working class looking and is part Asian I think.

    He also has the baggage of having screwed Lena Dunham in her terrible show.

    Women saw that and said eeeewwww I don't wanna share w that smelly skank.

    Adam Driver has that dark bad boy thing to him but he’s too working class looking and is part Asian I think.

    Not according to Ethni-Celebs

    Birth Name: Adam Douglas Driver

    Place of Birth: San Bernardino, California, United States

    Date of Birth: November 19, 1983

    Ethnicity: English, along with 1/8th Dutch, small amounts of German, Irish, Scottish, Scots-Irish/Northern Irish, more distant Welsh, remote Swedish

    Adam Driver is an American actor. He is the son of Nancy (Needham) and Joe Douglas Driver. His father has English, along with German, some Scottish, Irish, Scots-Irish/Northern Irish, distant Welsh, and remote Swedish, ancestry. His mother has English, 1/4 Dutch, and some German and Irish, ancestry. His father’s family is from Arkansas and his mother’s family is from Indiana, where Adam was raised, in Mishawaka. His stepfather is a Baptist minister, and Adam had a religious upbringing. He is married to actress Joanne Tucker.

    After 9/11, Adam joined the United States Marine Corps, and served in Afghanistan.

    http://ethnicelebs.com/adam-driver

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    I stand corrected.

    He looks like he had a Filipino grandma or something.

    Guess not. On girls he plays a smoldering bad boy type. Kylos brooding is roughly the same character. I like Adam, he's a good actor.
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  94. Mr. Anon says:
    @S. Anonyia
    It happens in a lot of tv shows/movies- it's bad but far from the worst. One that always bugs me (and happens in Game of Thrones a few times) is when they have brown eyed kids as the children of 2 blue eyed parents. It's just lazy- make one of the parents wear some contacts if you just have to have that particular child actor.

    For the most part, Hollywood seems to pay little to no attention to casting people to play relatives who actually look like they could be relatives.

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  95. syonredux says:
    @Anon
    LOL, I wonder how many isteve fans realize that Harrison Ford is (gasp!) Jewish

    LOL, I wonder how many isteve fans realize that Harrison Ford is (gasp!) Jewish

    Half Ashkenazi:

    Ethnicity:
    *Irish and one quarter German (father)
    *Ashkenazi Jewish (mother)

    Harrison Ford is an American actor and producer. He is the son of Dora/Dorothy (Nidelman), a radio actress, and Christopher Ford (born John William Ford), an actor and advertising executive. His brother is actor Terence Ford.

    Harrison’s father was born in Manhattan, New York, of three quarters Irish and one quarter German ancestry. Harrison’s mother, also born in New York, was Jewish, the daughter of Jewish immigrants from Minsk, Belarus (at that time, Minsk was part of the Russian Empire). Harrison was raised around both Catholicism (his father’s religion) and Judaism (his mother’s religion). Harrison’s father’s first wife, Celia Mast, was also Jewish.

    On Inside the Actors Studio (2000), Harrison humorously stated, “As a man I’ve always felt Irish, as an actor I’ve always felt Jewish.”

    http://ethnicelebs.com/harrison-ford

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  96. Mr. Anon says:
    @neutral
    You left out Daisy Ridley.

    You left out Daisy Ridley.

    She looks like Hugo Weaving in drag.

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    "Mrs. Anderson"
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  97. Truth says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Fisher aged badly because she lived roughly. Here's a pic of Carrie Fisher's mom at 60: http://www.themoviescene.co.uk/reviews/_img/6562-3.jpg

    For the 400th time, that’s Carrie Fisher’s Dad, not Mom. And Carrie was a chip off the old block.

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    Dear boy, I do wish that you would come clean about whatever Lola-esque experience prompted this "transgender" obsession of yours....
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  98. Truth says:
    @Meretricious
    compared to previous Star Wars, this iteration is a flop. This diversity pimp/Lucasfilm writer/producer should be fired:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/22/movies/star-wars-last-jedi-women-run-universe.html

    Yeah, it’s only made $1.2B worldwide, and his the third most successful movie of the century.

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    You should be a movie executive. "We left hundreds of millions of dollars on the table, after sinking billions into this franchise. And we're only on the third in an endless stream of Star Wars. Things can only go up, right? Right?"

    These people don't live on "it could be worse." They notice declines.
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  99. Dennis Dale says: • Website

    Isaac is in danger of becoming the–whatever ethnic type he is–version of Don Cheadle. The line on him for a long, long time was: he’s the greatest actor and will break through any day now. Boogie Nights came out in 95 I think and there’s a gag in there about it–after Burt Reynold’s porn director introduces his newest protege to Cheadle’s veteran porn star character he takes the kid aside and intones seriously: “he’s a fine, fine actor.”

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  100. Truth says:
    @syonredux

    The female leads in the Transformers films included the likes of Megan Fox and Rosie Huntingdon-Whiteley.

    These are actresses who are nice to look at even if you’re Chinese.

     

    Get WOKE, mansplainer. When the Revolution comes and the White Cis-Het Patriarchy is crushed, ALL of these women will be equally hot


    http://media.comicbook.com/2017/12/star-wars-the-last-jedi-rose-kelly-marie-tran-audition-1069038.jpeg

    http://www.v3wall.com/wallpaper/1440_900/1107/1440_900_20110711101550508042.jpg

    http://eskipaper.com/images/megan-fox-1.jpg

    ALL of these women will be equally hot

    OK, it’s bedtime, goodnight.

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    ALL of these women will be equally hot

    OK, it’s bedtime, goodnight.
     
    Don't let the bedbugs bite....
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  101. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @MEH 0910
    She looks like a bitchy elf.

    The most elvish looking celebrity has to be Lauren Mayberry of Chvrches, but unlike Ridley, she’s very easy on the eyes:

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    Bjork is the most elf like especially when younger. She even looks part Esquimau.
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  102. syonredux says:

    Birth Name: Óscar Isaac Hernández Estrada

    Place of Birth: Guatemala

    Date of Birth: March 9, 1979

    Ethnicity: Cuban, Guatemalan, French

    Oscar Isaac is an American actor and singer. He was born in Guatemala, as Óscar Isaac Hernández Estrada.

    Oscar’s father, Oscar Gonzalo Hernández-Cano, is Cuban, and left the country for the U.S. before the Cuban Revolution. Oscar’s mother, María Eugenia Estrada Nicolle, is from Guatemala, where Oscar’s parents met. Oscar has also said that his maternal grandfather was French.

    The family settled in the U.S. when Oscar was around five months old, and he was raised in Miami, Florida. Oscar was raised in a religious, Evangelical Christian (Protestant), household.

    Oscar has a son with his partner, Elvira Lind.

    It appears that Oscar’s paternal grandparents’ surnames were Hernández and Cano. Oscar’s paternal grandfather was also named Oscar.

    Oscar’s maternal grandmother was possibly the daughter of Benjamin Nicolle and Guadalupe Penagos.

    Oscar has also stated, “Isaac is Jewish from my father side. I am definitely a big mix of many things”, implying that his father has the surname Isaac in his family tree, and some Jewish heritage from that surname. If this is the case, then the most recent ancestor of Oscar’s that could have been Jewish and surnamed Isaac is one of Oscar’s paternal great-grandmothers.

    http://ethnicelebs.com/oscar-isaac

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    If this is the case, then the most recent ancestor of Oscar’s that could have been Jewish and surnamed Isaac is one of Oscar’s paternal great-grandmothers.
     
    But why would a Hollywood actor, of all people, fake something like that?
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  103. Ivy says:
    @Mr. Anon

    You left out Daisy Ridley.
     
    She looks like Hugo Weaving in drag.

    “Mrs. Anderson”

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  104. syonredux says:
    @Truth
    For the 400th time, that's Carrie Fisher's Dad, not Mom. And Carrie was a chip off the old block.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76CNhMvedfk

    Dear boy, I do wish that you would come clean about whatever Lola-esque experience prompted this “transgender” obsession of yours….

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    ...My eyes.
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  105. @Steve Sailer
    The Marvel and Transformer movies aren't nostalgia trips to Chinese audiences, they are state of the art big budget movies. In contrast, the new Star Wars movies seem kind of fuddy-duddy to the Chinese who don't have any emotional connection to the original two or three Star Wars movies. To young Chinese, the 1977 Star Wars is more out of date today than Casablanca was to young Americans in 1977.

    Casablanca was still very popular with young Americans in 1977. I loved that film and I was 11. It helped that there were only 6 channels available on tv, and since we had a black & white television anyway Casablanca actually looked better than a lot of more modern films.

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  106. Last Jedi is also just trying to be too clever. It subverts every Star Wars and general fantasy/action trope on purpose. That is why the obvious hero – Oscar Isaac’s Poe – isn’t allowed to be the hero. Some the plot points people attribute to PC thinking seem to me to be the result of an overeducated, jaded film-maker simply trying too hard to be clever and original. “What if we take Joseph Campbell’s myth structure, which has only been beloved by humans for all of recorded history, and trash it? Wouldn’t it be funny if the main villain is kind of a dork? If a complex tense rescue plan just fails like a damp fart after teasing the audience for 40 minutes ? If the legendary reclusive hero isn’t much of a hero at all and doesn’t train his successor? etc. etc.”

    Last Jedi is what happens when “subversive” is viewed as being a value in and of itself. It is the product of a tired and jaded culture that no longer takes pleasure in simple things and basic truths. I am not surprised the Chinese don’t get it.

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    The writer-director Rian Johnson did a couple of genre films prior to Last Jedi. One was Brick, which was a noir detective film set in high school. Aside from being knowing and maybe a little wink-wink, it was a straight gumshoe murder mystery, with a femme fatale and everything. The only subversive element was that it took place mostly during the day.

    He also did Looper, which was a pretty straight reworking of the Terminator, with the gimmick of younger and older versions of the same character teaming up. Or fighting eachother, I can't remember. But it wasn't insulting to time-travel stories about trying to kill your enemy when he's a kid.

    Why did he suddenly decide to mess with the audience when he got a giant tentpole franchise installment? The larger-scale SJW/screw you old fanbase themes I would guess came from the studio. More specific things like out of place humor may have come from the suits, too. Because they wish to ape Marvel.

    But I would guess Johnson came up with trolling the audience on the mystery of Rey's past, the entire character of Snoke, and the specific way in which elements like Luke's character, Yoda, and the Jedi Order are trashed. Probably because he was trying to play the subversion game.

    Which leads to boring predictability, paradoxically. Or not, if you know enough about how these things work. Because there are only so many ways to be subversive, and we've seen them all before.

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  107. @songbird
    I think it is kind of strange and funny that they tried to pass off Adam Driver as the son of Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher.

    IMO, Fisher mostly just aged. Oh, don't get me wrong: she lived roughly. But she was younger than Portman in her first Star Wars film, and no 60 y.o. woman looks good when put next to her 18 or 19 y.o. self. Not a lot of people remember her other movies (I only remembers her in "The 'Burbs" and just barely) so it is just like putting them side by side.

    By age 32 Fisher was already playing the less attractive “best friend” role in “When Harry met Sally”. She was a “handsome” woman but never a typical Hollywood beauty. Daisy Ridley is much better looking (and more feminine) than Fisher. People’s love for Princess Leia has a lot of nostalgia attached to it.

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    I would say Ridley was better looking than Fisher, but less feminine. Fisher was initially rejected for the Leia role as 'not good looking enough', but became a sex symbol because of the metal bikini. And she did do a good performance in SW for a 19 year old, though Ridley is a better actress I think.

    Ridley's own looks are cute but somewhat boyish, she has that typical London look I see every day where women living the go-girl Feminist lifestyle, who should be typically feminine & attractive, look rather androgynous, raised T-count I guess. This only applies to middle class women, white working class may be overweight (much less in London than rest of UK though) but not generally masculinised.
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  108. AnonAnon says:

    Ugly people are all over TV and movies these days, and the push towards multiculturally diverse casts certainly isn’t prettying things up. TV and movies are escapism for me so the cast better be good looking, or at least interesting-looking and compelling, like Jeremy Renner, or I won’t watch. I don’t mind Adam Driver’s looks, unlike the over-praised Oscar Isaacs he’s a good actor, it’s just his character is very poorly written. Plus, he is the bad guy so he’s not supposed to be handsome, though JJ made him look pretty good with good hair and flattering angles in the interrogation scene in The Force Awakens. I do *not* understand why Oscar Isaacs is held in such high esteem, he delivers his lines and plays Poe with the demeanor of a hyper 16 year old boy rather than a 30-something experienced warrior. I hated that whole cockpit introduction scene with Finn in The Force Awakens, such unbelievable (“nice to meet you”, seriously?) dialogue. Isaacs does not have any star power as far as I am concerned. The Force Awakens was a pretty decent Star Wars movie imo but The Last Jedi was utter garbage – terrible fan fiction-tier writing plus everything remotely interesting set up by TFA was ignored/thrown away; it was much too long; Laura Dern’s evening gown ‘uniform’ was asinine and out of place; many of the sets looked really cheap, particularly in the first half – my kids said the CGI on the mouse droid and Yoda was noticeably bad; too much use of green screen sets; I fell asleep during the whole useless casino section; and the camera work/cinematography was underwhelming . You can usually count on a Disney movie to be gorgeous to look at – TFA was – but this movie was meh. I am shocked Disney let this movie be released. Disney has killed their golden goose, the morons, and I am glad the box office has come in way under projections. I hope Kennedy and Iger get fired over it.

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  109. One of the reasons the new Star Wars sucks is there isn’t a movie star on the level of Harrison Ford to carry the movies. They made a mistake killing him in the last movie. Should’ve done it in this one. Issac is good but he’s no Ford. He’s also better as a villain, but it’s clear they wanted white guys to be the bad guys in the new SW movies.

    What Marvel is doing is a real achievement. All three of the movies they put out last year are better than either of the new Star Wars movies, and they’ve been putting out good movies for ten years now. What they’re doing is really the culmination of Lucas’ vision, much more so than his own movies.

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    Yeah, if you are some Chinese kid, the Marvel movies like Thor and Guardians of the Galaxy star large, handsome blond guys named Chris who are both muscular and funny, plus lots of old-time movie stars like Anthony Hopkins, Kurt Russell, Jeff Goldblum, Mark Ruffalo, Sylvester Stallone and so forth in supporting roles. They don't have quite enough Scarlett Johansson for your tastes, but she is in some Marvel movies.

    In contrast, the recent Star Wars movies seem to be off on their own trip, which is fine, but they're not very interesting to you.

    , @Steve Sailer
    Yeah, if you are some Chinese kid, the Marvel movies like Thor and Guardians of the Galaxy star large, handsome blond guys named Chris who are both muscular and funny, plus lots of old-time movie stars like Anthony Hopkins, Kurt Russell, Jeff Goldblum, Mark Ruffalo, Sylvester Stallone and so forth in supporting roles. They don't have quite enough Scarlett Johansson for your tastes, but she is in some Marvel movies.

    In contrast, the recent Star Wars movies seem to be off on their own trip, which is fine, but they're not very interesting to you.

    , @guest
    Harrison Ford isn't Harrison Ford anymore, so it wouldn't matter if he were still alive for this installment. When was the last time he carried a hit movie that wasn't a hit because of the name on the box--a la Indiana Jones IV, the Force Awakens, or Bladerunner II (if that was actually a hit?)--or for reasons beyond his presence? That's a serious question. Air Force One?

    We're a long, long way from the days he was kicking out franchises, Working Girls, and Fugitives. He lost his mojo a long time back.

    His career now consists of small old man parts and slowly remaking his entire back catalogue. How long before we get the Regarding Henry reboot?
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  110. @Peter Akuleyev
    By age 32 Fisher was already playing the less attractive "best friend" role in "When Harry met Sally". She was a "handsome" woman but never a typical Hollywood beauty. Daisy Ridley is much better looking (and more feminine) than Fisher. People's love for Princess Leia has a lot of nostalgia attached to it.

    I would say Ridley was better looking than Fisher, but less feminine. Fisher was initially rejected for the Leia role as ‘not good looking enough’, but became a sex symbol because of the metal bikini. And she did do a good performance in SW for a 19 year old, though Ridley is a better actress I think.

    Ridley’s own looks are cute but somewhat boyish, she has that typical London look I see every day where women living the go-girl Feminist lifestyle, who should be typically feminine & attractive, look rather androgynous, raised T-count I guess. This only applies to middle class women, white working class may be overweight (much less in London than rest of UK though) but not generally masculinised.

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    "better looking...but less feminine"

    That doesn't compute. I mean, it's theoretically possible, but Fisher was good-looking enough that her femininity should put her over the top. Especially considering Ridley is downright weird-looking.

    Fisher became a sex symbol not because of the bikini. Ridley certainly couldn't pull off the bikini. That is to say, she could wear it, but it wouldn't be a famous scene. Fisher wearing it screamed "Sex!" because of the body she had underneath.

    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    George Lucas supposedly thought Fisher’s breasts were too large and distracting, so he had her tape them down in the first movie.
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  111. Amasius says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy
    The word I’ve always used to describe Laura Dern’s looks is “unfortunate”, because based on her parentage you would think she should be better looking. Bruce Dern and Diane Ladd are both rather attractive people. Laura seems to have inherited exactly the worst combination of features from both.

    Kind of like Rumer Willis (poor thing)?

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    Yeah, or Wynonna Judd. Sometimes a feature that translates as attractive on a male is not as attractive on a female. Wynonna inherited her biological father’s strong jawline, which is not an attractive look on a woman. Her much more attractive half-sister Ashley, on the other hand, inherited softer and darker features from her Italian-American father.
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  112. guest says:
    @whorefinder
    The SJWs haven't forced the Chinese to embrace "body positivity" and "subjective beauty standards" as things.

    Seriously, the Greeks more than 2000 years ago showed that the beauty aesthetic is objective and universal. Countless centuries of art and current pornography all show what is physically attractive. Yet the SJWs think they can all force us to believe up is down, black is white, and ugly is beautiful. Blacks aren't attractive, dumpy fat chicks aren't attractive, purple haired psycho female leaders aren't attractive, and Daisey Ridley is too androgenous and boyish to be anything more than mildly attractive in the film.A comparison of Ridley v. Princess Leia in the the original trilogy or Natalie Portman in the prequels makes it all worse---you've downgraded from lithe pinup girls to, well the,a mildly cute college girl, except she hates men and has a superiority complex.

    Blockbuster movies have always been escapism. Part of that is everyone being super-attractive in them. The ugliest lead in a 1930s screwball comedy or 1950s swashbuckling adventure or 1990s romantic comedy was always more attractive than 90% of the audience watching it on screen. Now we've got "blockbusters" where half the cast is uglier than the bar scene on a Saturday night.

    Didn't Sullivan's Travels teach Hollywood anything? Save the realism for art-house folks and for comedies when the ugly people are to be laughed at

    I wouldn’t say Mark Hamill was the hunkiest guy ever, and he certainly wasn’t improved by the car wreck between Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back (which I assume occasioned the scene in which the Yeti smacks him early in Empire). But he was pleasant looking and masculine.

    Aside from being unfeminine, Rey is plain weird-looking. Not in an outright ugly way. But in that way fashion models are expected to have a “hook”: some cheap way to make them memorable. She’s memorable because she resembles a fish, or something. I can’t quite put my finger on it. But it certainly helps her act like a bitch throughout the series.

    Luke Skywalker never got a romantic storyline. The stand-out attractive characters–Han and Leia–fell in love. That’s how it’s supposed to work.

    There’s a sub-storyline in this new series whereby something’s going on between Mary Sue Rey and Darth Emo. Now that we know they’re not related, it can be sexual. I’m sure I’m not the only one waiting for the villain to bend the Disney Princess™ over something. That’s what they want me to be thinking about, right?

    Know what would make that more interesting? Having Rey be attractive. Rylo Ken is not appealing with his helmet off, despite the cheesecake shirtless shot. But in his costume he’s a bad-boy go-getter. Which is enough. The female lead is not pulling her weight, unless perhaps if you’re Bryan Singer.

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    Aside from being unfeminine, Rey is plain weird-looking. Not in an outright ugly way. But in that way fashion models are expected to have a “hook”: some cheap way to make them memorable. She’s memorable because she resembles a fish, or something. I can’t quite put my finger on it. But it certainly helps her act like a bitch throughout the series.
     
    Rey looking like a fish is both true and hilarious. Some alt-right reviewer pegged her as a bad actress early, as her sole expression is having her eyes bug out and her mouth open---like a fish.


    Luke Skywalker never got a romantic storyline. The stand-out attractive characters–Han and Leia–fell in love. That’s how it’s supposed to work.
     
    Luke was supposed to get Leia, as she was supposed to choose the nerdy good guy over the bad boy, but that got nixed when Han proved extremely popular and Luke and Leia didn't generate enough chemistry. So Lucas hastily made them brother and sister to make sure Luke wasn't "bested" in the love triangle.

    Inadvertently, Lucas's decision made psychological sense; when long-lost, never-met-before siblings or parent-children meet as adults, there is psychologically documented and quite common sexual attraction between them, thus explaining why Luke was so moved initially just at seeing Leia's hologram that he jumps at the chance to escape his planet and save her.

    As a kid, I never got why Han was so popular or cool; I was all about Luke growing into the savior, and Han acted like a jerk; I couldn't understand why so much of the story focused on Han, or why Han is rewarded for his bad boy behavior by snagging the pretty girl. I get Han's appeal now, having swallowed the red pill. But I still feel like Luke, the self-sacrificing, hero-on-a-journey, deserved something besides celibacy.
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  114. Neoconned says:
    @Whiskey
    BC its Kathleen Kennedy that matters. And she's a feminist The only audience that matters is Kennedy

    You know whiskey one thing that has become clear to me is that no matter what nature abhors a vacuum and no matter what women will be ruled by a Sharia. Whether that Sharia is ours or the Muslim Invaders it doesn’t matter.

    But all this started w the English and their whore women starting around the time of Henry the 8th and spread out like a virus there after with their weak men and small families

    Whether they will be ruled by white Christian jackboots or Islamic birqas is the question but no matter what they will bitch and complain til they get their dominance.

    I’m almost inclined to support making a deal w the Muslim men…. we’ll pay them a dowry and basically buy their hottest MENA & Asian Muslim women and in turn we round up our feminists and strip them if citizenship and sell them to the birqa pushers.

    Like you said, no fat shaming and lots of aristocrat type drama and intrigue for the broads to wonder about in their new harem house in the casbah

    Those Saud prince types go wild for our over priced bottle blond Instagram attention whores.

    I say let’s make the trade & be rid of this social pestilence…..

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  115. guest says:
    @PiltdownMan
    Daisy Ridley is almost very good looking. Maybe she's stunning in real life. I agree that many of her facial expressions are strikingly like Keira Knightley's.

    Being about the same age as Steve, I can remember that many guys didn't think that Carrie Fisher was particularly cute. But Star Wars fans mostly did.

    Beauty standards in the late 1970s in America were being set by women like Cheryl Tiegs. Female athleticism was a new aesthetic then in standards for American female beauty. Being aerobically and otherwise fit is, of course, a precondition and a norm now, for both men and women to be considered "good-looking."

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/944532960589606917/K0ssQz2H_400x400.jpg

    http://www.bilkulonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/carrie-fisher-star-wars.jpg


    http://www.jumpingfrog.com/images/ads-celebrity/77end019.jpg

    You’re talking about fads. Female aesthetics, on the other hand, don’t change. (Though they vary across races.) They’re hardwired in.

    Daisy Ridely is boyish and weird-looking, end of story.

    Fitness may be necessary, but alone it’s insufficient. As you say, men can be fit, too. But if you’re a woman who looks like a man, you are not beautiful. You must be both fit and shaped like a woman. Much like a man must be both fit and shaped like a man. Because human beings are sexually amorphous, don’t forget.

    People get sidetracked by secondary concerns like overall fat and whatnot. Which I suspect is a ruse to slip ugly and/or ambiguously sexed people into the attractive club. Guess what, it’s posts to be both athletic and womanly.

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  116. Logan says:
    @Anonymous
    Isaac was the only decent looking person in the movie. It's not just Finn and the frumpy Asian girl. Adam Driver is weird/funny looking. Laura Dern has always been a bit odd looking. Domnhall Gleeson is a bit sickly looking and not handsome. And Carrie Fisher looked terrible, presumably from decades of drug and alcohol use.

    This is an odd POV on the original movie, IMO.

    Of the three main characters in the original movie:

    Carrie Fisher was not what anybody would call stunningly attractive. Without the fame of her role would not have turned a single head at Walmart. Did not improve with age.

    Mark Hamill’s image could have been appropriately found in the dictionary beside the word “dweeb,” looking very much like Anthony Michael Hall in various teen movies. Mark’s photos over the years show a very strange progression. Started out dweebish, turned into a regrettable middle-aged guy, and is now kind of distinguished-looking as an older man, at least with sufficient facial hair.

    Harrison Ford has of course always been a good looking guy. Although in recent photos he looks pretty rough, worse really than Mark.

    So that’s one of three stars of the original movie he was “really good looking.”

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  117. Neoconned says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Wikipedia doesn't say anything about Asian ancestry for him, but maybe he can be his generation's Yul Brenner, combining charisma with exotic looks.

    That he survived Girls, and became the biggest star out of it, is a credit to him.

    I’ve had the misfortune of seeing girls and most of the men either look like weird ethnic typed or look like cave men.

    Driver is the only one being an ex marine who’s even halfway normal looking or who has that stud look. And who isn’t gay. Ironically the straight men on that show seem kinda nerdy but they look like Jewish or Greek bodega owners from Jersey. The other guy who played Eli, her ex is flaming gay….

    What’s terrible about that show is just how cringe bad it is.

    The only good looking woman is the English ditzy slut. And her personality on that show and I assume real life is so repulsive I’d rather put a bag over Lena’s head and wrap up w three layers if u know what I mean before touching her ass.

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    Alison Williams is pretty, though she could use another 10 or 20lbs on her.
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  118. guest says:
    @Neoconned
    A lot of women do like Issac. But like Hayden Christensen who played the young Vader he just lacks Harrison Ford's charisma.

    Adam Driver has that dark bad boy thing to him but he's too working class looking and is part Asian I think.

    He also has the baggage of having screwed Lena Dunham in her terrible show.

    Women saw that and said eeeewwww I don't wanna share w that smelly skank.

    Isaac lacks Harrison Ford’s charisma, but Han Solo is a rake for all time. He’s up there with Rhett Butler. It’s not exactly a fair comparison.

    Neither is lumping Isaac in with Christensen, who had the charisma of a soggy cardboard box. Which may have been the director’s fault, but he was also a dud in other movies. (Though occasionally he got it right, like in Shattered Glass.)

    Isaac gives the most compelling performances in the new series, and it’s not even close.

    Driver I think was cast because he vaguely resembles Harrison Ford. He is attractive when he’s in full costume doing neat force stuff.

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    Adam Driver is fine as a bad guy in Star Wars, or as a cool guy in a Noah Baumbach or Jim Jarmusch art house film. He's very distinctive looking. You can imagine the human race evolving in a different direction and his look being the aristocratic dominant one in an alternative universe. In Star Wars, you can imagine him being sore that he looks odd to the audience.
    , @The Millennial Falcon
    He doesn't look even remotely like Ford.

    And Isaac is better at intense and moody than Ford's goofy swashbuckling. Chris Pratt did a much better Han rip-off in Guardians of the Galaxy, which was a better Star Wars rip-off than the actual sequels.

    But the biggest missing pieces in all the attempts at recreating the original Star Wars magic are Luke and Vader.

    Hamill was a mediocre actor, but he was remarkably sincere in modeling idealism and that gave the later suffering and perseverance of the character much greater weight. That sincere idealism is a vanishingly rare element in modern epics. Daisy Ridley is all vanilla - no crusader there. Ditto Boyega (he was much better in Attack the Block as the charismatic gang leader fighting off an alien invasion of his neighborhood).

    Chris Evans is another mediocre actor who does a pretty good job of sincere idealism as Capt. America - a shame the Marvel universe is too dumb and incestuous to take that character anywhere.
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  119. @Jean Ralphio
    One of the reasons the new Star Wars sucks is there isn't a movie star on the level of Harrison Ford to carry the movies. They made a mistake killing him in the last movie. Should've done it in this one. Issac is good but he's no Ford. He's also better as a villain, but it's clear they wanted white guys to be the bad guys in the new SW movies.

    What Marvel is doing is a real achievement. All three of the movies they put out last year are better than either of the new Star Wars movies, and they've been putting out good movies for ten years now. What they're doing is really the culmination of Lucas' vision, much more so than his own movies.

    Yeah, if you are some Chinese kid, the Marvel movies like Thor and Guardians of the Galaxy star large, handsome blond guys named Chris who are both muscular and funny, plus lots of old-time movie stars like Anthony Hopkins, Kurt Russell, Jeff Goldblum, Mark Ruffalo, Sylvester Stallone and so forth in supporting roles. They don’t have quite enough Scarlett Johansson for your tastes, but she is in some Marvel movies.

    In contrast, the recent Star Wars movies seem to be off on their own trip, which is fine, but they’re not very interesting to you.

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  120. @Jean Ralphio
    One of the reasons the new Star Wars sucks is there isn't a movie star on the level of Harrison Ford to carry the movies. They made a mistake killing him in the last movie. Should've done it in this one. Issac is good but he's no Ford. He's also better as a villain, but it's clear they wanted white guys to be the bad guys in the new SW movies.

    What Marvel is doing is a real achievement. All three of the movies they put out last year are better than either of the new Star Wars movies, and they've been putting out good movies for ten years now. What they're doing is really the culmination of Lucas' vision, much more so than his own movies.

    Yeah, if you are some Chinese kid, the Marvel movies like Thor and Guardians of the Galaxy star large, handsome blond guys named Chris who are both muscular and funny, plus lots of old-time movie stars like Anthony Hopkins, Kurt Russell, Jeff Goldblum, Mark Ruffalo, Sylvester Stallone and so forth in supporting roles. They don’t have quite enough Scarlett Johansson for your tastes, but she is in some Marvel movies.

    In contrast, the recent Star Wars movies seem to be off on their own trip, which is fine, but they’re not very interesting to you.

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  121. guest says:
    @Alec Leamas


    You left out Daisy Ridley.

     

    She’s a semi-cute void.

     

    In half her pictures I mistake her for Keira Knightley, and in the other half Lena Headey. Maybe she's the third long lost sister.

    Knightly, Headey, Ridley, they are similar. All weird-looking, which no one comments upon often enough:

    Boyish figures (that was a body-double and CGI on Headey’s “walk of shame” on Game of Thrones).

    High cheekbones (which is masculine, despite what you’ve been led to believe).

    Alien shape. As in “grays.”

    In what world are such women held up as ideals of beauty? (Ridley hasn’t been so much, but the others have.) A world where taste is dictated by gay men.

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    Knightly, Headey, Ridley, they are similar.

    Yes, they are all British, and all look very Celtic. Quite funny to see so many people at Unz of all places taking a crap on white women's looks.
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  122. Neoconned says:
    @syonredux

    Adam Driver has that dark bad boy thing to him but he’s too working class looking and is part Asian I think.
     
    Not according to Ethni-Celebs

    Birth Name: Adam Douglas Driver

    Place of Birth: San Bernardino, California, United States

    Date of Birth: November 19, 1983

    Ethnicity: English, along with 1/8th Dutch, small amounts of German, Irish, Scottish, Scots-Irish/Northern Irish, more distant Welsh, remote Swedish

    Adam Driver is an American actor. He is the son of Nancy (Needham) and Joe Douglas Driver. His father has English, along with German, some Scottish, Irish, Scots-Irish/Northern Irish, distant Welsh, and remote Swedish, ancestry. His mother has English, 1/4 Dutch, and some German and Irish, ancestry. His father’s family is from Arkansas and his mother’s family is from Indiana, where Adam was raised, in Mishawaka. His stepfather is a Baptist minister, and Adam had a religious upbringing. He is married to actress Joanne Tucker.

    After 9/11, Adam joined the United States Marine Corps, and served in Afghanistan.

     

    http://ethnicelebs.com/adam-driver

    I stand corrected.

    He looks like he had a Filipino grandma or something.

    Guess not. On girls he plays a smoldering bad boy type. Kylos brooding is roughly the same character. I like Adam, he’s a good actor.

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  123. guest says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    There are actors who, while not classically handsome, are at least interesting to look at. A few that come to minds are Charles Bronson, Ernest Borgnine, and Warren Oates. Boyega, Driver, and Tran are just repulsive, though. They make me want to avert my gaze.

    These were not “leading men” types. They got lead roles, but they were roles like Marty, where the story was built around the fact that Marty was not the type of man to be in a love story. Or the Death Wish guy, who was murdering ruffians instead of winning the hearts of fair maidens.

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    My point is just that I can enjoy watching Charles Bronson for the length of a movie and I can't enjoy watching Boyega or Driver, regardless of who gets the girl.

    Despite not having movie star looks, Bronson was attractive and very masculine. He finally burst out of supporting roles when the Europeans got excited about him in the late 1960s, the French dubbing him "Le Sacre Monstre" (the Holy Monster) and the Italians calling him "Il Bruto" (the Ugly One). Nevertheless, if I had to look like Adam Driver or the young Charles Bronson, I'd choose the latter.
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  124. guest says:
    @Simon in London
    I would say Ridley was better looking than Fisher, but less feminine. Fisher was initially rejected for the Leia role as 'not good looking enough', but became a sex symbol because of the metal bikini. And she did do a good performance in SW for a 19 year old, though Ridley is a better actress I think.

    Ridley's own looks are cute but somewhat boyish, she has that typical London look I see every day where women living the go-girl Feminist lifestyle, who should be typically feminine & attractive, look rather androgynous, raised T-count I guess. This only applies to middle class women, white working class may be overweight (much less in London than rest of UK though) but not generally masculinised.

    “better looking…but less feminine”

    That doesn’t compute. I mean, it’s theoretically possible, but Fisher was good-looking enough that her femininity should put her over the top. Especially considering Ridley is downright weird-looking.

    Fisher became a sex symbol not because of the bikini. Ridley certainly couldn’t pull off the bikini. That is to say, she could wear it, but it wouldn’t be a famous scene. Fisher wearing it screamed “Sex!” because of the body she had underneath.

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    Well, I agree Carrie Fisher in Return of the Jedi is *more attractive* than Daisy Ridley in The Last Jedi. But in terms of basic aesthetics, bone structure & symmetry, Fisher was not remarkable. Fisher did a lot more with less. I suspect she had a heterosexual Director!
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  125. guest says:
    @PiltdownMan
    Daisy Ridley is almost very good looking. Maybe she's stunning in real life. I agree that many of her facial expressions are strikingly like Keira Knightley's.

    Being about the same age as Steve, I can remember that many guys didn't think that Carrie Fisher was particularly cute. But Star Wars fans mostly did.

    Beauty standards in the late 1970s in America were being set by women like Cheryl Tiegs. Female athleticism was a new aesthetic then in standards for American female beauty. Being aerobically and otherwise fit is, of course, a precondition and a norm now, for both men and women to be considered "good-looking."

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/944532960589606917/K0ssQz2H_400x400.jpg

    http://www.bilkulonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/carrie-fisher-star-wars.jpg


    http://www.jumpingfrog.com/images/ads-celebrity/77end019.jpg

    By the way, Cheryl Tiegs isn’t my cup of tea, and the fix was probably already in on what passes for feminine beauty in our corrupt society. But just look at those pictures. Why are we even comparing them, because they’re all “athletic?” Tiegs blows Ridley away by face alone.

    Look at the shape of their faces? Look how boxy and squared-off Ridley’s is. Look at the shape of Tiegs’. Not exactly oval, as is ideal, but rounded off. Heart-shaped, maybe. That’s feminine. You can’t see the difference in eyebrow ridge because of Tiegs’ hat, but look at Ridley’s Crow Magnon brow.

    Fisher was never a great beauty, but she easily outshines Ridley there. If you could see their bodies, Fisher would blow her away. Tiegs has not my favorite body type, but she has T&A and hips. Ridley is basically a boy.

    I don’t like to nitpick like this, and I’ll stop if other people stop inventing bizarre beauty standards.

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  126. guest says:
    @Truth
    Yeah, it's only made $1.2B worldwide, and his the third most successful movie of the century.

    You should be a movie executive. “We left hundreds of millions of dollars on the table, after sinking billions into this franchise. And we’re only on the third in an endless stream of Star Wars. Things can only go up, right? Right?”

    These people don’t live on “it could be worse.” They notice declines.

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    It is the second most profitable EVEN INFLATION ADJUSTED amonngst the 9 Star Wars pictures, second only to the peice-of-shit that brought back the 3rd iteration of the series. And it is the third most popular movie since 2000, to only that one, and Avatar.
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  127. LondonBob says:

    Is Will Smith handsome? Looks goofy to me.

    Isaac was cast as a traditional English villain, namely a swarthy type who looks Mediterranean or Semitic, brave by Ridley, Shakespeare or Dickens, but not Weinstein, would approve. With his curly hair, in addition to dark looks, he couldn’t even be confused for Welsh, let alone English. No Moor as a hero modern Hollywood version of Robin Hood.

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    Is Will Smith handsome? He gets a lot more white women than Tiny Duck.
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  128. guest says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    Last Jedi is also just trying to be too clever. It subverts every Star Wars and general fantasy/action trope on purpose. That is why the obvious hero - Oscar Isaac's Poe - isn't allowed to be the hero. Some the plot points people attribute to PC thinking seem to me to be the result of an overeducated, jaded film-maker simply trying too hard to be clever and original. "What if we take Joseph Campbell's myth structure, which has only been beloved by humans for all of recorded history, and trash it? Wouldn't it be funny if the main villain is kind of a dork? If a complex tense rescue plan just fails like a damp fart after teasing the audience for 40 minutes ? If the legendary reclusive hero isn't much of a hero at all and doesn't train his successor? etc. etc."

    Last Jedi is what happens when "subversive" is viewed as being a value in and of itself. It is the product of a tired and jaded culture that no longer takes pleasure in simple things and basic truths. I am not surprised the Chinese don't get it.

    The writer-director Rian Johnson did a couple of genre films prior to Last Jedi. One was Brick, which was a noir detective film set in high school. Aside from being knowing and maybe a little wink-wink, it was a straight gumshoe murder mystery, with a femme fatale and everything. The only subversive element was that it took place mostly during the day.

    He also did Looper, which was a pretty straight reworking of the Terminator, with the gimmick of younger and older versions of the same character teaming up. Or fighting eachother, I can’t remember. But it wasn’t insulting to time-travel stories about trying to kill your enemy when he’s a kid.

    Why did he suddenly decide to mess with the audience when he got a giant tentpole franchise installment? The larger-scale SJW/screw you old fanbase themes I would guess came from the studio. More specific things like out of place humor may have come from the suits, too. Because they wish to ape Marvel.

    But I would guess Johnson came up with trolling the audience on the mystery of Rey’s past, the entire character of Snoke, and the specific way in which elements like Luke’s character, Yoda, and the Jedi Order are trashed. Probably because he was trying to play the subversion game.

    Which leads to boring predictability, paradoxically. Or not, if you know enough about how these things work. Because there are only so many ways to be subversive, and we’ve seen them all before.

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  129. @guest
    Isaac lacks Harrison Ford's charisma, but Han Solo is a rake for all time. He's up there with Rhett Butler. It's not exactly a fair comparison.

    Neither is lumping Isaac in with Christensen, who had the charisma of a soggy cardboard box. Which may have been the director's fault, but he was also a dud in other movies. (Though occasionally he got it right, like in Shattered Glass.)

    Isaac gives the most compelling performances in the new series, and it's not even close.

    Driver I think was cast because he vaguely resembles Harrison Ford. He is attractive when he's in full costume doing neat force stuff.

    Adam Driver is fine as a bad guy in Star Wars, or as a cool guy in a Noah Baumbach or Jim Jarmusch art house film. He’s very distinctive looking. You can imagine the human race evolving in a different direction and his look being the aristocratic dominant one in an alternative universe. In Star Wars, you can imagine him being sore that he looks odd to the audience.

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  130. guest says:
    @Jean Ralphio
    One of the reasons the new Star Wars sucks is there isn't a movie star on the level of Harrison Ford to carry the movies. They made a mistake killing him in the last movie. Should've done it in this one. Issac is good but he's no Ford. He's also better as a villain, but it's clear they wanted white guys to be the bad guys in the new SW movies.

    What Marvel is doing is a real achievement. All three of the movies they put out last year are better than either of the new Star Wars movies, and they've been putting out good movies for ten years now. What they're doing is really the culmination of Lucas' vision, much more so than his own movies.

    Harrison Ford isn’t Harrison Ford anymore, so it wouldn’t matter if he were still alive for this installment. When was the last time he carried a hit movie that wasn’t a hit because of the name on the box–a la Indiana Jones IV, the Force Awakens, or Bladerunner II (if that was actually a hit?)–or for reasons beyond his presence? That’s a serious question. Air Force One?

    We’re a long, long way from the days he was kicking out franchises, Working Girls, and Fugitives. He lost his mojo a long time back.

    His career now consists of small old man parts and slowly remaking his entire back catalogue. How long before we get the Regarding Henry reboot?

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  131. @Anon.
    The answer of course is that there IS no star of the new trilogy because every bit supporting part had to be elevated to a lead in order to ensure that there was a lead part for every racial/sexual grievance group. My god, they even killed off beloved Admiral Ackbar just to make room for a Strong Woman.

    The result ironically has humans as an even more hegemonically dominant racial group than we were in the past, in a universe teeming with aliens. You would think cheap CGI would mean more aliens (cf. Jar-Jar Binks), but no. The aliens get the same status as Apu in the Simpsons. (This universe has humans, diverse humans, and, umm, miscellaneous.) Sorry, Ackbar. No room for you, but just wait till you see the transgender Navajo admiral we have planned for Episode 9!

    My god, they even killed off beloved Admiral Ackbar just to make room for a Strong Woman.

    The Lobster-American community doesn’t have a very good sense of identity yet, let alone an effective greviance lobby in Hollywood.

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    The Lobster-American community doesn’t have a very good sense of identity yet, let alone an effective grievance lobby in Hollywood.
     
    No, but they do have their dear leader, Sen. Jerry Moran (R-Establishment).

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  132. “Lol. But in all seriousness, I thought that storyline was kind of a bummer. I mean Han had an arc. Besides, Ford’s other iconic character already had an annoying son.”

    This is curiously true. I noted a few years ago how I disliked kid characters in modern movies. They are all ironic, extremely self-confident, smarter than the adult mini-adults. They are like the smartass kids in modern cartoons (think if the home alone kid without the insecure scenes). I thought this when I re-watched an old Hitchcock movie with a 14 year old girl in it. She was sassy, and wanted to be around and like the adults, but was still clearly a kid. It was an adults’ culture in that movie, and the kid wanted in.

    Both of Harrison Ford’s movie children (Raiders and Star Wars) are an interesting juxtaposition of old school adults (Indy and Han could have been male characters in a movie 60 or 70 years ago) with new school children (their kids are exactly what you would expect a young person to be in a movie since, probably, the Bad News Bears in the early 70′s*).

    For that matter: (original) Star Wars and Raiders adult characters are all reasonable pre-1965 characters and personalities. Their throwback appeal isn’t just the visuals: its also their personalities. Even the adults seem dated compared to adults in modern cinema.

    joe

    *as I wrote this, I realized that the turning point in movie kid personality was probably not Home Alone, and I have thought: it was probably the little smart asses in the Bad News Bears.

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    Watch some foreign stuff and realize that the "stupid adults" are local to Hollywood and the CultMarxed West for some mysterious unguessable reason. In anime kids are heroic without disrespecting their elders (Summer Wars).
    Or just read deeper into that one scene in Planet of the Apes in which Heston encourages teenage rebellion, but not in his own population.
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  133. slumber_j says:

    a lot of Star Wars’ popularity relates to Western nostalgia for how awesome the original two movies seemed in 1977-1980.

    Right. For me there was, is and always will be exactly one Star Wars movie: the movie formerly known as Star Wars. I saw it three times in the theaters when it came out–because it was life-changingly awesome, and I was twelve years old.

    By the time the next one came out I was fifteen, and the movie seemed a lot less groundbreaking, so I cared a lot more about other kinds of movies. Also, pretty girls. I didn’t bother seeing that one and still haven’t; nor have I seen any others.

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    Right. For me there was, is and always will be exactly one Star Wars movie: the movie formerly known as Star Wars. I saw it three times in the theaters when it came out–because it was life-changingly awesome, and I was twelve years old.
     
    I agree. Star Wars was the only really good movie of the lot, and by "really good" I mean that it was a really good movie for a 12 year old (I was the same age when it came out). In many ways it as tied to its era as was any song that was on the Billboard chart in the summer of 1977.

    George Lucas made one really good movie, then he turned the whole idea into nothing more than a cheesy franchise to sell merchandise. Now Disney has turned it into SJW agit-prop.

    On that topic, I wonder how well the action figures for the new Star Wars movies are selling?
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  134. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    Birth Name: Óscar Isaac Hernández Estrada

    Place of Birth: Guatemala

    Date of Birth: March 9, 1979

    Ethnicity: Cuban, Guatemalan, French

    Oscar Isaac is an American actor and singer. He was born in Guatemala, as Óscar Isaac Hernández Estrada.

    Oscar’s father, Oscar Gonzalo Hernández-Cano, is Cuban, and left the country for the U.S. before the Cuban Revolution. Oscar’s mother, María Eugenia Estrada Nicolle, is from Guatemala, where Oscar’s parents met. Oscar has also said that his maternal grandfather was French.

    The family settled in the U.S. when Oscar was around five months old, and he was raised in Miami, Florida. Oscar was raised in a religious, Evangelical Christian (Protestant), household.

    Oscar has a son with his partner, Elvira Lind.

    It appears that Oscar’s paternal grandparents’ surnames were Hernández and Cano. Oscar’s paternal grandfather was also named Oscar.

    Oscar’s maternal grandmother was possibly the daughter of Benjamin Nicolle and Guadalupe Penagos.

    Oscar has also stated, “Isaac is Jewish from my father side. I am definitely a big mix of many things”, implying that his father has the surname Isaac in his family tree, and some Jewish heritage from that surname. If this is the case, then the most recent ancestor of Oscar’s that could have been Jewish and surnamed Isaac is one of Oscar’s paternal great-grandmothers.
     

    http://ethnicelebs.com/oscar-isaac

    If this is the case, then the most recent ancestor of Oscar’s that could have been Jewish and surnamed Isaac is one of Oscar’s paternal great-grandmothers.

    But why would a Hollywood actor, of all people, fake something like that?

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  135. keypusher says:
    @Whiskey
    Disney doesn't care about making money. Execs get paid the same for a hit as a flop.

    It's about sticking it to White men hated by all the women in Hollywood. Half Hollywood White men are like Harvey Weinstein. A quarter like Kevin Spacey. Many like Judd Apatow or Seth Rogen

    Disney doesn’t care about making money.

    I hope that’s the stupidest thing I read all year.

    Wretched as the new movie seems to be (my daughter, who’s a big fan of the franchise, hated it), it’s making a lot of money. I’m sure Disney is sorry TLJ isn’t doing better in China, but $1.2 billion and counting is doubtless consoling.

    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=starwars8.htm

    Incidentally, why “The Last Jedi”? Would that it were so!

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  136. @guest
    "better looking...but less feminine"

    That doesn't compute. I mean, it's theoretically possible, but Fisher was good-looking enough that her femininity should put her over the top. Especially considering Ridley is downright weird-looking.

    Fisher became a sex symbol not because of the bikini. Ridley certainly couldn't pull off the bikini. That is to say, she could wear it, but it wouldn't be a famous scene. Fisher wearing it screamed "Sex!" because of the body she had underneath.

    Well, I agree Carrie Fisher in Return of the Jedi is *more attractive* than Daisy Ridley in The Last Jedi. But in terms of basic aesthetics, bone structure & symmetry, Fisher was not remarkable. Fisher did a lot more with less. I suspect she had a heterosexual Director!

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  137. Altai says:
    @syonredux

    Veronica Ngo is very attractive–though she was killed-off early in the movie. I thought it was going to be a good movie after the segment where the camera followed her up a ladder. That segment probably required a lot of re-takes…
     
    Yeah, the Tico sisters, Paige and Rose. They kill off Paige


    https://am23.akamaized.net/tms/cnt/uploads/2017/11/Star-Wars-Bomber-Command-Cover-Top.jpg

    But keep Rose alive


    http://media.comicbook.com/2017/12/star-wars-the-last-jedi-rose-kelly-marie-tran-audition-1069038.jpeg


    The only way that I can make sense of that is that the producers were blatantly attempting to appeal to feminist film critics...

    That’s what I found funny too. But dumpy fangirls don’t actually want to see themselves on screen, they want Rose’s sister who can be their surrogate, otherwise you’re directly insulting them and there are plenty of them who don’t look so plain. I like to imagine they modelled her on the famous ‘Cho Chan’ Harry Potter ranter, because the girl who asked the question that caused JJ Abrams to awkwardly reply ‘Go Asians!’ looked like a model.

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  138. Brutusale says:
    @Verymuchalive
    If a US film needs the Chinese market to succeed, then the US industry is in terminal decline. Time you found some career other than film critic, Mr Steve.

    If Hollywood made good films that appealed to adults, they wouldn’t need to spend $200 million making teen-oriented movies that need to be palatable across cultures. Making movies that appeal to teens will attract teens, and adults just don’t want to spend hours in a large room with today’s semi-feral teenager. Throw in the fact that a single movie ticket is about equal to a subscription to a streaming service, and you’ll find a serious dearth of adults at the local theater.

    I’m in my 50s, and the last movie I saw in the theater was American Sniper.

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    I’m in my 50s, and the last movie I saw in the theater was American Sniper.
     
    I went to see All the Money in the World last weekend, which at least looked like it was designed to appeal to adults. It wasn't good. It looked good, and it had its' moments. But they butchered the actual events of the story to the point that it barely deserved the "Inspired by true events" intro.

    I would have gone to see The Post if Spielberg hadn't decided to sell it as being some kind of indictment of Donald Trump. I would have gone to see The Darkest Hour, except that the previews alone indicated that Oldman's portrayal of Churchill is awful (he seemed to be screaming all the lines, like a deranged madman).

    We (middle-aged white guys) aren't the target audience for movies, and it doesn't seem like there are too many people in Hollywood who can make a decent movie anymore.
    , @Truth


    I’m in my 50s, and the last movie I saw in the theater was American Sniper.
     
    You watch the Patriot faux-football matches every Sunday. That's enough theatre.
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  139. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Back in the real America (ended mid-to-late 20th C.) you could not sell to a demographic of middle age men to buy tickets to see their childhood comic book heroes in a movie.

    The real America was Christian, not secular. Middle age Christian men, like Paul, are more likely to "put away childish things."

    Today we have secular America. Middle age men on skateboards. They don't have any wisdom from the bible. Only television and movies.

    Agnostics/atheists are much more likely to be adult Star Wars fans.

    I basically agree with your sentiment, but what’s wrong with skateboards? Not a boarder myself, but they look like a fun and (potentially) practical transportation option.

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  140. Wency says:
    @Thomas
    https://youtu.be/z6CY2pkgIrQ

    Incredible.

    I think that ad would have been considered in poor taste in the U.S. 100 years ago.

    “Our detergent is so strong, it will turn filthy mud people into clean upstanding white folks.”

    It’s definitely a step beyond all the giant-lipped fried chicken and watermelon material that was accepted back then.

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  141. Brutusale says:
    @songbird
    I think it is kind of strange and funny that they tried to pass off Adam Driver as the son of Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher.

    IMO, Fisher mostly just aged. Oh, don't get me wrong: she lived roughly. But she was younger than Portman in her first Star Wars film, and no 60 y.o. woman looks good when put next to her 18 or 19 y.o. self. Not a lot of people remember her other movies (I only remembers her in "The 'Burbs" and just barely) so it is just like putting them side by side.

    Over the past few years I’ve seen photos of Fisher with her mother Debbie Reynolds and it’s hard to tell which woman is older.

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  142. @guest
    These were not "leading men" types. They got lead roles, but they were roles like Marty, where the story was built around the fact that Marty was not the type of man to be in a love story. Or the Death Wish guy, who was murdering ruffians instead of winning the hearts of fair maidens.

    My point is just that I can enjoy watching Charles Bronson for the length of a movie and I can’t enjoy watching Boyega or Driver, regardless of who gets the girl.

    Despite not having movie star looks, Bronson was attractive and very masculine. He finally burst out of supporting roles when the Europeans got excited about him in the late 1960s, the French dubbing him “Le Sacre Monstre” (the Holy Monster) and the Italians calling him “Il Bruto” (the Ugly One). Nevertheless, if I had to look like Adam Driver or the young Charles Bronson, I’d choose the latter.

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  143. Svigor says:

    I want to reiterate my theory that the new Star Wars franchise is crazy-people advocacy. I watched The Force Awakens again recently and there’s no mistaking it: boy-face Mary Sue and her comic relief sidekick are absolutely manic. And throw Darth Emo in that mix, too. He looks and acts like somebody you’d meet in a loony bin.

    They figured “blacks/yellows/Jews/gays/etc are people too” films were saturated, and went for the less-explored “nuts are people too” angle.

    Another thing that was driven home in repeat viewing was the enormous amounts of cheese dripping from the galactic levels of Mary Sue. She scavenges she repairs she shoots she pilots she uses jedi mind tricks she’s a natural lightsaber black belt, all with no training whatsoever…did I leave anything out?

    The frothy-mouthed Hitler rally was a real treat, too.

    P.S., am I the only one who thinks Boyega looks like a Black Matt Damon?

    One problem with making Oscar Isaac the star is that the plot makes him a reckless hothead who needs to be reined in by the wise lady flag officers Carrie Fisher and Laura Dern.

    The age of the sci-fi Mary Sue seems to be in full flower. First the warmed-over Ghostbusters Star Wars, now Star Trek: Discovery. “You two fairies please suck face more to the side, I’ve got a universe to save and a whole crew’s jobs to do!” Don’t even get me started on how ecology is the solution to every human problem; a lil pixie dust from planet Crystal Avatar, a lil pixie dust from the cosmic mushrooms, and we’re in business folks.

    “planet-destroying” (genocidal) conformists in their huge dreadnoughts.

    You can tell the Rebels are the Good Guys because their clothes are individually tailored. Empire has to buy off the rack.

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  144. @guest
    Knightly, Headey, Ridley, they are similar. All weird-looking, which no one comments upon often enough:

    Boyish figures (that was a body-double and CGI on Headey's "walk of shame" on Game of Thrones).

    High cheekbones (which is masculine, despite what you've been led to believe).

    Alien shape. As in "grays."

    In what world are such women held up as ideals of beauty? (Ridley hasn't been so much, but the others have.) A world where taste is dictated by gay men.

    Knightly, Headey, Ridley, they are similar.

    Yes, they are all British, and all look very Celtic. Quite funny to see so many people at Unz of all places taking a crap on white women’s looks.

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    Quite funny to see so many people at Unz of all places taking a crap on white women’s looks.
     
    I also don't understand this, I find Ridley attractive.
    , @Truth
    We all agree that Asian broads are hotter, and just, well, flat out better human beings, don't we?
    , @guest
    "Quite funny to see so many people at Unz of all places taking a crap on white women's looks"

    Why? Trigglypuff was white. We crap on her all the time.

    Besides, it's not crapping on them to say they look weird and fall short of the ideals of feminine beauty. Ehich I wish Hollywood still promoted.

    If people said they're merely attractive and admitted they're weird-looking, I wouldn't have anything to add.
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  145. Mr. Anon says:
    @slumber_j

    a lot of Star Wars’ popularity relates to Western nostalgia for how awesome the original two movies seemed in 1977-1980.
     
    Right. For me there was, is and always will be exactly one Star Wars movie: the movie formerly known as Star Wars. I saw it three times in the theaters when it came out--because it was life-changingly awesome, and I was twelve years old.

    By the time the next one came out I was fifteen, and the movie seemed a lot less groundbreaking, so I cared a lot more about other kinds of movies. Also, pretty girls. I didn't bother seeing that one and still haven't; nor have I seen any others.

    Right. For me there was, is and always will be exactly one Star Wars movie: the movie formerly known as Star Wars. I saw it three times in the theaters when it came out–because it was life-changingly awesome, and I was twelve years old.

    I agree. Star Wars was the only really good movie of the lot, and by “really good” I mean that it was a really good movie for a 12 year old (I was the same age when it came out). In many ways it as tied to its era as was any song that was on the Billboard chart in the summer of 1977.

    George Lucas made one really good movie, then he turned the whole idea into nothing more than a cheesy franchise to sell merchandise. Now Disney has turned it into SJW agit-prop.

    On that topic, I wonder how well the action figures for the new Star Wars movies are selling?

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  146. @Amasius
    Kind of like Rumer Willis (poor thing)?

    Yeah, or Wynonna Judd. Sometimes a feature that translates as attractive on a male is not as attractive on a female. Wynonna inherited her biological father’s strong jawline, which is not an attractive look on a woman. Her much more attractive half-sister Ashley, on the other hand, inherited softer and darker features from her Italian-American father.

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  147. Mr. Anon says:
    @Brutusale
    If Hollywood made good films that appealed to adults, they wouldn't need to spend $200 million making teen-oriented movies that need to be palatable across cultures. Making movies that appeal to teens will attract teens, and adults just don't want to spend hours in a large room with today's semi-feral teenager. Throw in the fact that a single movie ticket is about equal to a subscription to a streaming service, and you'll find a serious dearth of adults at the local theater.

    I'm in my 50s, and the last movie I saw in the theater was American Sniper.

    I’m in my 50s, and the last movie I saw in the theater was American Sniper.

    I went to see All the Money in the World last weekend, which at least looked like it was designed to appeal to adults. It wasn’t good. It looked good, and it had its’ moments. But they butchered the actual events of the story to the point that it barely deserved the “Inspired by true events” intro.

    I would have gone to see The Post if Spielberg hadn’t decided to sell it as being some kind of indictment of Donald Trump. I would have gone to see The Darkest Hour, except that the previews alone indicated that Oldman’s portrayal of Churchill is awful (he seemed to be screaming all the lines, like a deranged madman).

    We (middle-aged white guys) aren’t the target audience for movies, and it doesn’t seem like there are too many people in Hollywood who can make a decent movie anymore.

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  148. Busby says:
    @40 Acres and A Kardashian

    Maybe that’s why Han left? He looked at that kid and figured that there was no way in hell that he was the father….
     
    Based on that pic, I think Kylo Ren's real dad might be Webb Hubbell.

    Hans Gruber

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  149. @Simon in London
    I would say Ridley was better looking than Fisher, but less feminine. Fisher was initially rejected for the Leia role as 'not good looking enough', but became a sex symbol because of the metal bikini. And she did do a good performance in SW for a 19 year old, though Ridley is a better actress I think.

    Ridley's own looks are cute but somewhat boyish, she has that typical London look I see every day where women living the go-girl Feminist lifestyle, who should be typically feminine & attractive, look rather androgynous, raised T-count I guess. This only applies to middle class women, white working class may be overweight (much less in London than rest of UK though) but not generally masculinised.

    George Lucas supposedly thought Fisher’s breasts were too large and distracting, so he had her tape them down in the first movie.

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  150. e says:
    @Isolee

    “These actors aren’t very beautiful, which may deter a lot of Chinese from seeing the recent films,"
     
    Quite. Ignoring issues of race, nobody - NOBODY - wants to see a plain, pudgy woman in a main role; plain, pudgy women don't want to see a plain, pudgy woman in a main role.

    In light of TLJ's underwhelming box office, I suspect Disney Execs might have decided JJ Abrams has virtue signalled enough about the oppressive nature of encoded cishet white patriarchal notions of beauty, and that future episodes will feature Hollywood standardised looks.

    Will Smith, with those funny-looking little ears, “handsome”? I can think of a lot of handsome actors, and yes, a lot of handsome black actors, but Will Smith? All along, I thought there must be other reasons for his success, like a buff body, and that he’d be liked more by guys who identified with him as a hero rather than girls who wanted to be with him.

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    Will Smiff is widely rumored to be gay. The rumors are longstanding and persistent. If true, that's probably the biggest factor leading to his inexplicable success in Hollywood.
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  151. neutral says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    Knightly, Headey, Ridley, they are similar.

    Yes, they are all British, and all look very Celtic. Quite funny to see so many people at Unz of all places taking a crap on white women's looks.

    Quite funny to see so many people at Unz of all places taking a crap on white women’s looks.

    I also don’t understand this, I find Ridley attractive.

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  152. donut says:
    @songbird
    I think it is kind of strange and funny that they tried to pass off Adam Driver as the son of Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher.

    IMO, Fisher mostly just aged. Oh, don't get me wrong: she lived roughly. But she was younger than Portman in her first Star Wars film, and no 60 y.o. woman looks good when put next to her 18 or 19 y.o. self. Not a lot of people remember her other movies (I only remembers her in "The 'Burbs" and just barely) so it is just like putting them side by side.

    She was in “The Blues Brothers” I think .

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  153. @Dave Pinsen
    Wikipedia doesn't say anything about Asian ancestry for him, but maybe he can be his generation's Yul Brenner, combining charisma with exotic looks.

    That he survived Girls, and became the biggest star out of it, is a credit to him.

    Yul was exotic and good looking.

    Driver doesn’t look exotic he just looks striking and, with the right pose, aristocratic. Alan Rickman is the best comp, though Driver lacks that voice.

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  154. @Steve Sailer
    But can he be a Maori like Cliff Curtis?

    And then halfway between Isaac and Curtis, with a shot of Adam Driver, Jemaine Clement.

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  155. @Hapalong Cassidy
    The word I’ve always used to describe Laura Dern’s looks is “unfortunate”, because based on her parentage you would think she should be better looking. Bruce Dern and Diane Ladd are both rather attractive people. Laura seems to have inherited exactly the worst combination of features from both.

    Laura seems to have inherited exactly the worst combination of features from both.

    Regression to the mean.

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  156. @guest
    Isaac lacks Harrison Ford's charisma, but Han Solo is a rake for all time. He's up there with Rhett Butler. It's not exactly a fair comparison.

    Neither is lumping Isaac in with Christensen, who had the charisma of a soggy cardboard box. Which may have been the director's fault, but he was also a dud in other movies. (Though occasionally he got it right, like in Shattered Glass.)

    Isaac gives the most compelling performances in the new series, and it's not even close.

    Driver I think was cast because he vaguely resembles Harrison Ford. He is attractive when he's in full costume doing neat force stuff.

    He doesn’t look even remotely like Ford.

    And Isaac is better at intense and moody than Ford’s goofy swashbuckling. Chris Pratt did a much better Han rip-off in Guardians of the Galaxy, which was a better Star Wars rip-off than the actual sequels.

    But the biggest missing pieces in all the attempts at recreating the original Star Wars magic are Luke and Vader.

    Hamill was a mediocre actor, but he was remarkably sincere in modeling idealism and that gave the later suffering and perseverance of the character much greater weight. That sincere idealism is a vanishingly rare element in modern epics. Daisy Ridley is all vanilla – no crusader there. Ditto Boyega (he was much better in Attack the Block as the charismatic gang leader fighting off an alien invasion of his neighborhood).

    Chris Evans is another mediocre actor who does a pretty good job of sincere idealism as Capt. America – a shame the Marvel universe is too dumb and incestuous to take that character anywhere.

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  157. “These actors aren’t very beautiful,”

    Now, THAT’S the understatement of the decade. It’s a little like saying, “Idi Amin was not a very nice guy”. It reminds me of the way Ron Paul talked about his fellow GOPers when he kinda-sorta ran for president those last two times.

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  158. @Hapalong Cassidy
    The word I’ve always used to describe Laura Dern’s looks is “unfortunate”, because based on her parentage you would think she should be better looking. Bruce Dern and Diane Ladd are both rather attractive people. Laura seems to have inherited exactly the worst combination of features from both.

    Laura Dern isn’t very beautiful (how could you be as a child of Bruce Dern! Dude’s on the Mt. Rushmore of Ratfaces with Donald Sutherland and others to be chiseled in later), but she’s extremely talented. She was fantastic in Jurassic Park – contrast her performance with Ron Howard’s daughter in Jurassic World.

    And she’s not afraid to play the darker/dumber side of the strong woman trope – she’s exceptional in Mike White’s Enlightened (an almost great show that doesn’t quite maintain the courage of its convictions) and she holds her own in Big Little Lies (another almost great show – comes very close to skewering feminism until Haven Monahan arrives, douche ex machina style, to save the day)

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    Dude’s on the Mt. Rushmore of Ratfaces with Donald Sutherland and others to be chiseled in later . . . Haven Monahan arrives, douche ex machina style, to save the day
     
    Comedy gold sir!
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  159. MEH 0910 says:
    @donut
    She was in "The Blues Brothers" I think .

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  160. @Hapalong Cassidy
    The word I’ve always used to describe Laura Dern’s looks is “unfortunate”, because based on her parentage you would think she should be better looking. Bruce Dern and Diane Ladd are both rather attractive people. Laura seems to have inherited exactly the worst combination of features from both.

    Laura was cute as a young woman, but bear in mind that when an American man says a girl is cute, that means she’s only a notch above ugly.

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    I don’t think that’s necessarily true. I often refer to women I find quite dateable as cute.
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  161. @songbird
    I think it is kind of strange and funny that they tried to pass off Adam Driver as the son of Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher.

    IMO, Fisher mostly just aged. Oh, don't get me wrong: she lived roughly. But she was younger than Portman in her first Star Wars film, and no 60 y.o. woman looks good when put next to her 18 or 19 y.o. self. Not a lot of people remember her other movies (I only remembers her in "The 'Burbs" and just barely) so it is just like putting them side by side.

    I wasn’t aware that Carrie Fisher was in any other movies after Star Wars. She certainly didn’t deserve to be.

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  162. @The Man From K Street

    My god, they even killed off beloved Admiral Ackbar just to make room for a Strong Woman.
     
    The Lobster-American community doesn't have a very good sense of identity yet, let alone an effective greviance lobby in Hollywood.

    The Lobster-American community doesn’t have a very good sense of identity yet, let alone an effective grievance lobby in Hollywood.

    No, but they do have their dear leader, Sen. Jerry Moran (R-Establishment).

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  163. Truth says:
    @syonredux
    Dear boy, I do wish that you would come clean about whatever Lola-esque experience prompted this "transgender" obsession of yours....

    …My eyes.

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    …My eyes.
     
    I think that you are blocking, dear fellow. Are you sure that there wasn't something rather more tactile.....Say, after a few too many drinks in the wrong sort of bar......
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  164. syonredux says:
    @Truth

    ALL of these women will be equally hot
     
    OK, it's bedtime, goodnight.

    ALL of these women will be equally hot

    OK, it’s bedtime, goodnight.

    Don’t let the bedbugs bite….

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  165. Truth says:
    @guest
    You should be a movie executive. "We left hundreds of millions of dollars on the table, after sinking billions into this franchise. And we're only on the third in an endless stream of Star Wars. Things can only go up, right? Right?"

    These people don't live on "it could be worse." They notice declines.

    It is the second most profitable EVEN INFLATION ADJUSTED amonngst the 9 Star Wars pictures, second only to the peice-of-shit that brought back the 3rd iteration of the series. And it is the third most popular movie since 2000, to only that one, and Avatar.

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  166. @Steve Sailer
    But can he be a Maori like Cliff Curtis?

    Cliff Curtis played a very good Hill Street ese` veterano (Smiley) in Training Day. That’s quite an accomplishment for a Maori or actually for anyone who isn’t a native LA chulo. It’s a role that’s pretty hard for anybody who hasn’t lived there. Trinidad Silva was one of the ones who played that kind of role convincingly because of who he was in life.

    Of course, Silva probably couldn’t have played a Maori. All of that is to say that Cliff Curtis has a great range as an actor.

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  167. Truth says:
    @Brutusale
    If Hollywood made good films that appealed to adults, they wouldn't need to spend $200 million making teen-oriented movies that need to be palatable across cultures. Making movies that appeal to teens will attract teens, and adults just don't want to spend hours in a large room with today's semi-feral teenager. Throw in the fact that a single movie ticket is about equal to a subscription to a streaming service, and you'll find a serious dearth of adults at the local theater.

    I'm in my 50s, and the last movie I saw in the theater was American Sniper.

    I’m in my 50s, and the last movie I saw in the theater was American Sniper.

    You watch the Patriot faux-football matches every Sunday. That’s enough theatre.

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    I haven't watched a football game since last year's Super Bowl. The older I get, the less important sports have become.
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  168. Truth says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    Knightly, Headey, Ridley, they are similar.

    Yes, they are all British, and all look very Celtic. Quite funny to see so many people at Unz of all places taking a crap on white women's looks.

    We all agree that Asian broads are hotter, and just, well, flat out better human beings, don’t we?

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    No.
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  169. Lurker says:
    @Whiskey
    Disney doesn't care about making money. Execs get paid the same for a hit as a flop.

    It's about sticking it to White men hated by all the women in Hollywood. Half Hollywood White men are like Harvey Weinstein. A quarter like Kevin Spacey. Many like Judd Apatow or Seth Rogen

    Fellow White Men like Harvey Weinstein, Judd Apatow or Seth Rogen.

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  170. Beene says:

    Crusader? What? When did Oscar Isaac become an Arab?

    (and are all Arabs Crusader-Americans? Or just ones you pick out?

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  171. MEH 0910 says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy
    The word I’ve always used to describe Laura Dern’s looks is “unfortunate”, because based on her parentage you would think she should be better looking. Bruce Dern and Diane Ladd are both rather attractive people. Laura seems to have inherited exactly the worst combination of features from both.

    I don’t think Diane Ladd was much better looking than present day Laura Dern when she played Laura’s character’s mother back in the 1990 David Lynch film Wild at Heart.

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  172. Lurker says:
    @The Millennial Falcon
    Laura Dern isn't very beautiful (how could you be as a child of Bruce Dern! Dude's on the Mt. Rushmore of Ratfaces with Donald Sutherland and others to be chiseled in later), but she's extremely talented. She was fantastic in Jurassic Park - contrast her performance with Ron Howard's daughter in Jurassic World.

    And she's not afraid to play the darker/dumber side of the strong woman trope - she's exceptional in Mike White's Enlightened (an almost great show that doesn't quite maintain the courage of its convictions) and she holds her own in Big Little Lies (another almost great show - comes very close to skewering feminism until Haven Monahan arrives, douche ex machina style, to save the day)

    Dude’s on the Mt. Rushmore of Ratfaces with Donald Sutherland and others to be chiseled in later . . . Haven Monahan arrives, douche ex machina style, to save the day

    Comedy gold sir!

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  173. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    I think it is kind of strange and funny that they tried to pass off Adam Driver as the son of Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher.
     
    Yeah. It's kinda hard to figure out how this combo

    http://media.comicbook.com/2015/12/han-solo-163307.jpg

    https://am22.akamaized.net/tms/cnt/uploads/2017/08/leiatop1-650x574.jpg

    produces this


    http://digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/17/41/980x490/landscape-1507602073-sw6.jpg


    Maybe that's why Han left? He looked at that kid and figured that there was no way in hell that he was the father....

    Genetic recombination’s a hell of a thing. Just look at Ford’s real-life sons, or Demi Moore and Bruce Willis’ daughters, or the children of any number of attractive people. Having good-looking parents is no guarantee. Beautiful people are incredibly lucky.

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  174. Boyega’s face comes to us from the darkness beyond the veil. Through this face comes the promise of a world consumed by African chaos and slaughter.

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  175. @songbird
    I think it is kind of strange and funny that they tried to pass off Adam Driver as the son of Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher.

    IMO, Fisher mostly just aged. Oh, don't get me wrong: she lived roughly. But she was younger than Portman in her first Star Wars film, and no 60 y.o. woman looks good when put next to her 18 or 19 y.o. self. Not a lot of people remember her other movies (I only remembers her in "The 'Burbs" and just barely) so it is just like putting them side by side.

    Carrie Fisher was funny in the movie Postcards from the Edge, based on her book of the same name.

    One line from the book has always stuck with me: “I ran screaming down the hallways of my mind”. I’ve felt like that.

    https://www.amazon.com/Postcards-Edge-Gene-Hackman/dp/B000059XTI

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  176. This is a great question about Oscar Isaac. Isaac is a bit of diversity cheating where Disney can say he is non-white but it’s not really phenotypically visible as he is a Pacino lookalike. As one of the 3 lead good guys in the Force Awakens he surprisingly had less screen time than he should have had as the Best Pilot in the Resistance. Confusing everyone in the theaters, when he escaped with the empire turncoat Finn, they crash landed and despite being in a desert managed to get split up. This was a JJ Abrams goof. Even worse was Finn and Rey needed to fly off the planet and wouldn’t having the Best Pilot in the Resistance be handy rather than force Rey and Finn to get thru it on their own? It may have also gelled the trio of good guys in the minds of viewes? It may have also shown Poe that the Empire turncoat was not a spy to trick Poe but an actual good defector.

    Truth is, JJ Abrams subverted Disney’s original desires and cast the very diverse Boyega and they were desperate to make him the main good guy so he hogged screentime and somehow immediately struck up an attachment to Rey so much that he told her they should run away from the fighting together. The tepid response to him led to his demotion to the C or maybe D storyline in The Last Jedi. Disney took the most important franchise to market to young boys it had purchased since the Marvel universe and let JJ Abrams diversify a core lead in an atrocious fashion and waste another core lead in the first film to try to glorify the very phenotypically diverse lead more.

    They really are burning dollars in order to push the ideology.

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  177. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, you mentioned “the first two” of the original Star Wars films but neglected the third (“Return of The Jedi”) which seemingly tied everything up into a neat bow (that is, until LucasFilm went full “Star Wars Inc”).

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    Steve, you mentioned “the first two” of the original Star Wars films but neglected the third (“Return of The Jedi”) which seemingly tied everything up into a neat bow (that is, until LucasFilm went full “Star Wars Inc”).
     
    Return of the Jedi is very mediocre.
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  178. J.Ross says: • Website
    @joeyjoejoe
    "Lol. But in all seriousness, I thought that storyline was kind of a bummer. I mean Han had an arc. Besides, Ford’s other iconic character already had an annoying son."

    This is curiously true. I noted a few years ago how I disliked kid characters in modern movies. They are all ironic, extremely self-confident, smarter than the adult mini-adults. They are like the smartass kids in modern cartoons (think if the home alone kid without the insecure scenes). I thought this when I re-watched an old Hitchcock movie with a 14 year old girl in it. She was sassy, and wanted to be around and like the adults, but was still clearly a kid. It was an adults' culture in that movie, and the kid wanted in.

    Both of Harrison Ford's movie children (Raiders and Star Wars) are an interesting juxtaposition of old school adults (Indy and Han could have been male characters in a movie 60 or 70 years ago) with new school children (their kids are exactly what you would expect a young person to be in a movie since, probably, the Bad News Bears in the early 70's*).

    For that matter: (original) Star Wars and Raiders adult characters are all reasonable pre-1965 characters and personalities. Their throwback appeal isn't just the visuals: its also their personalities. Even the adults seem dated compared to adults in modern cinema.

    joe

    *as I wrote this, I realized that the turning point in movie kid personality was probably not Home Alone, and I have thought: it was probably the little smart asses in the Bad News Bears.

    Watch some foreign stuff and realize that the “stupid adults” are local to Hollywood and the CultMarxed West for some mysterious unguessable reason. In anime kids are heroic without disrespecting their elders (Summer Wars).
    Or just read deeper into that one scene in Planet of the Apes in which Heston encourages teenage rebellion, but not in his own population.

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  179. BB753 says:

    Steve Sailer:

    “And Isaac even gets Intersectionality Pokemon Points as a Latino and Middle Easterner because he’s some kind of Conquistador-American / Crusader-American. (His father is a Miami surgeon.)”

    “Crusader – American? I don’t get it. Well, he was born in Guatemala to a Cuban doctor and a half-French Guatemalan mother. His surnames are Hernandez Estrada, Oscar Isaac being the Christian names.

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  180. MarcB. says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy
    The word I’ve always used to describe Laura Dern’s looks is “unfortunate”, because based on her parentage you would think she should be better looking. Bruce Dern and Diane Ladd are both rather attractive people. Laura seems to have inherited exactly the worst combination of features from both.

    I’ve always thought her attractiveness was overstated, especially back in the Wild at Heart era. Now she’s the exemplar of the current “living her best life” meme.

    http://www.vulture.com/2017/12/laura-dern-is-living-her-best-life-with-an-nba-player.html

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  181. @LondonBob
    Is Will Smith handsome? Looks goofy to me.

    Isaac was cast as a traditional English villain, namely a swarthy type who looks Mediterranean or Semitic, brave by Ridley, Shakespeare or Dickens, but not Weinstein, would approve. With his curly hair, in addition to dark looks, he couldn't even be confused for Welsh, let alone English. No Moor as a hero modern Hollywood version of Robin Hood.

    Is Will Smith handsome? He gets a lot more white women than Tiny Duck.

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    Charisma, presence and humour go a long way too.
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  182. Melendwyr says: • Website
    @Verymuchalive
    If a US film needs the Chinese market to succeed, then the US industry is in terminal decline. Time you found some career other than film critic, Mr Steve.

    All US industries are in terminal decline, except the ones that profit from the dying – the mushrooms of the intellectual and economic world. They’re crazy busy.

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  183. Corn says:
    @Twodees Partain
    Laura was cute as a young woman, but bear in mind that when an American man says a girl is cute, that means she's only a notch above ugly.

    I don’t think that’s necessarily true. I often refer to women I find quite dateable as cute.

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  184. Melendwyr says: • Website
    @MEH 0910
    Fisher being bipolar didn't help either.

    If nothing else, lithium is quite toxic, and the margin between the effective dose and serious poisoning is quite narrow. Between that and all the other drugs…

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  185. Corn says:
    @Ryan Landry
    This is a great question about Oscar Isaac. Isaac is a bit of diversity cheating where Disney can say he is non-white but it's not really phenotypically visible as he is a Pacino lookalike. As one of the 3 lead good guys in the Force Awakens he surprisingly had less screen time than he should have had as the Best Pilot in the Resistance. Confusing everyone in the theaters, when he escaped with the empire turncoat Finn, they crash landed and despite being in a desert managed to get split up. This was a JJ Abrams goof. Even worse was Finn and Rey needed to fly off the planet and wouldn't having the Best Pilot in the Resistance be handy rather than force Rey and Finn to get thru it on their own? It may have also gelled the trio of good guys in the minds of viewes? It may have also shown Poe that the Empire turncoat was not a spy to trick Poe but an actual good defector.

    Truth is, JJ Abrams subverted Disney's original desires and cast the very diverse Boyega and they were desperate to make him the main good guy so he hogged screentime and somehow immediately struck up an attachment to Rey so much that he told her they should run away from the fighting together. The tepid response to him led to his demotion to the C or maybe D storyline in The Last Jedi. Disney took the most important franchise to market to young boys it had purchased since the Marvel universe and let JJ Abrams diversify a core lead in an atrocious fashion and waste another core lead in the first film to try to glorify the very phenotypically diverse lead more.

    They really are burning dollars in order to push the ideology.

    Are you the same Ryan Landry of Weimerica Weekly and 28Sherman?

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    Yes
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  186. Melendwyr says: • Website
    @Lagertha
    haha! as a mother, I am so happy with any of these actresses- don't care about race! I want someone to love my son...simple. My sons are true-blue guys...they will die for their wife & family; they will love their spouse, no matter what. They come from a strong 16- generations of "intact" families (Finland, Armenia, Scotland)..I know, silly...haha, but true. Jack is gonna pile on me :( Sheesh, I have always been sentimental on this site - you guys know that. I've always been a mess, as they say in The South.

    How about them living for their families instead? Families that include lots of children. That would be much more useful than dying.

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    Of course; in the Nordic culture, however, my culture, we talk about death a lot more. We talk about regret, revenge, a lot more, too.
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  187. Svigor says:

    Yes, they are all British, and all look very Celtic. Quite funny to see so many people at Unz of all places taking a crap on white women’s looks.

    Funny for an “antiracist” to criticize “racists” for being honest about the abilities of a White person, instead of conforming to an “antiracist’s” cartoon understanding of “racism.”

    I also don’t understand this, I find Ridley attractive.

    Watch it again, paying closer attention. She’s gone downhill for me in repeat viewings. She’s certainly not ugly or anything, but she’s boyface. The constant manic behavior, punctuated by scowling, doesn’t help.

    …My eyes.

    So you think like 99.9% of the people calling themselves Black women are actually tranny Black dudes? Or would you care to revise your statement?

    Is Will Smith handsome? He gets a lot more white women than Tiny Duck.

    But then so does Harvey Weinstein.

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  188. syonredux says:
    @Truth
    ...My eyes.

    …My eyes.

    I think that you are blocking, dear fellow. Are you sure that there wasn’t something rather more tactile…..Say, after a few too many drinks in the wrong sort of bar……

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    No, but it seems you are having a pleasant fantasy, I would not be so crude as to interrupt.
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  189. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Neoconned
    I've had the misfortune of seeing girls and most of the men either look like weird ethnic typed or look like cave men.

    Driver is the only one being an ex marine who's even halfway normal looking or who has that stud look. And who isn't gay. Ironically the straight men on that show seem kinda nerdy but they look like Jewish or Greek bodega owners from Jersey. The other guy who played Eli, her ex is flaming gay....

    What's terrible about that show is just how cringe bad it is.

    The only good looking woman is the English ditzy slut. And her personality on that show and I assume real life is so repulsive I'd rather put a bag over Lena's head and wrap up w three layers if u know what I mean before touching her ass.

    Alison Williams is pretty, though she could use another 10 or 20lbs on her.

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  190. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous
    Steve, you mentioned "the first two" of the original Star Wars films but neglected the third ("Return of The Jedi") which seemingly tied everything up into a neat bow (that is, until LucasFilm went full "Star Wars Inc").

    Steve, you mentioned “the first two” of the original Star Wars films but neglected the third (“Return of The Jedi”) which seemingly tied everything up into a neat bow (that is, until LucasFilm went full “Star Wars Inc”).

    Return of the Jedi is very mediocre.

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    The Han/Leia/Ewok plot is half-baked (though not bad - just more like Willow than Star Wars), but the Luke vs. Vader vs. Emperor showdown in the third act is great. Ending a trilogy on a high note is a tough feat.
    , @whorefinder
    Never really got the hate people have for the third one. Ewoks v. Storm Troopers seems contrived, but remember this was an allusion to Vietnam, where it seemed to Hollywood types that the small, jungle-based, underfunded commies defeated the well-trained, larger, well-funded, well-equipped U.S. troops.
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  191. LondonBob says:
    @SunBakedSuburb
    Is Will Smith handsome? He gets a lot more white women than Tiny Duck.

    Charisma, presence and humour go a long way too.

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  192. Truth says:
    @syonredux

    …My eyes.
     
    I think that you are blocking, dear fellow. Are you sure that there wasn't something rather more tactile.....Say, after a few too many drinks in the wrong sort of bar......

    No, but it seems you are having a pleasant fantasy, I would not be so crude as to interrupt.

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    No, but it seems you are having a pleasant fantasy, I would not be so crude as to interrupt.
     
    Excellent, dear boy. Classic case of Projection. But that's simply a necessary stage. Please, keep on going. I think that we are getting closer to the trauma that shaped you.....
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  193. @syonredux

    Steve, you mentioned “the first two” of the original Star Wars films but neglected the third (“Return of The Jedi”) which seemingly tied everything up into a neat bow (that is, until LucasFilm went full “Star Wars Inc”).
     
    Return of the Jedi is very mediocre.

    The Han/Leia/Ewok plot is half-baked (though not bad – just more like Willow than Star Wars), but the Luke vs. Vader vs. Emperor showdown in the third act is great. Ending a trilogy on a high note is a tough feat.

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    The Han/Leia/Ewok plot is half-baked (though not bad – just more like Willow than Star Wars), but the Luke vs. Vader vs. Emperor showdown in the third act is great. Ending a trilogy on a high note is a tough feat.
     
    That's the best part of the whole movie.
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  194. whorefinder says: • Website
    @guest
    I wouldn't say Mark Hamill was the hunkiest guy ever, and he certainly wasn't improved by the car wreck between Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back (which I assume occasioned the scene in which the Yeti smacks him early in Empire). But he was pleasant looking and masculine.

    Aside from being unfeminine, Rey is plain weird-looking. Not in an outright ugly way. But in that way fashion models are expected to have a "hook": some cheap way to make them memorable. She's memorable because she resembles a fish, or something. I can't quite put my finger on it. But it certainly helps her act like a bitch throughout the series.

    Luke Skywalker never got a romantic storyline. The stand-out attractive characters--Han and Leia--fell in love. That's how it's supposed to work.

    There's a sub-storyline in this new series whereby something's going on between Mary Sue Rey and Darth Emo. Now that we know they're not related, it can be sexual. I'm sure I'm not the only one waiting for the villain to bend the Disney Princess™ over something. That's what they want me to be thinking about, right?

    Know what would make that more interesting? Having Rey be attractive. Rylo Ken is not appealing with his helmet off, despite the cheesecake shirtless shot. But in his costume he's a bad-boy go-getter. Which is enough. The female lead is not pulling her weight, unless perhaps if you're Bryan Singer.

    Aside from being unfeminine, Rey is plain weird-looking. Not in an outright ugly way. But in that way fashion models are expected to have a “hook”: some cheap way to make them memorable. She’s memorable because she resembles a fish, or something. I can’t quite put my finger on it. But it certainly helps her act like a bitch throughout the series.

    Rey looking like a fish is both true and hilarious. Some alt-right reviewer pegged her as a bad actress early, as her sole expression is having her eyes bug out and her mouth open—like a fish.

    Luke Skywalker never got a romantic storyline. The stand-out attractive characters–Han and Leia–fell in love. That’s how it’s supposed to work.

    Luke was supposed to get Leia, as she was supposed to choose the nerdy good guy over the bad boy, but that got nixed when Han proved extremely popular and Luke and Leia didn’t generate enough chemistry. So Lucas hastily made them brother and sister to make sure Luke wasn’t “bested” in the love triangle.

    Inadvertently, Lucas’s decision made psychological sense; when long-lost, never-met-before siblings or parent-children meet as adults, there is psychologically documented and quite common sexual attraction between them, thus explaining why Luke was so moved initially just at seeing Leia’s hologram that he jumps at the chance to escape his planet and save her.

    As a kid, I never got why Han was so popular or cool; I was all about Luke growing into the savior, and Han acted like a jerk; I couldn’t understand why so much of the story focused on Han, or why Han is rewarded for his bad boy behavior by snagging the pretty girl. I get Han’s appeal now, having swallowed the red pill. But I still feel like Luke, the self-sacrificing, hero-on-a-journey, deserved something besides celibacy.

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    Han was a jerk, but in an endearing way. His masculine qualities appeal to men as well as women: self-reliance; manly defiance; skill at piloting, smuggling/evasion, gun-slinging; and a strong sense of camaraderie. Not for nothing does he become Luke's best friend.

    Don't forget, he's not rewarded for being a bad boy. He goes from selfish loner to hero in the first movie when he doubles back to save Luke. Otherwise, he never would've seen the princess again. Plus, Darth Vader would've blown Luke out of the sky and saved the Death Star.

    As a kid, I was always soft on Luke in the original. Because he was whiny and Harrison Ford's performance was a tour de force. He was clearly a star. But Luke matured better, and I love his story in Jedi, where he risks his life to redeem his father. He's the character that grew up.

    Didn't help that I never really cared about the love story, though they hit the arguing as foreplay theme perfectly.
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  195. whorefinder says: • Website
    @syonredux

    Steve, you mentioned “the first two” of the original Star Wars films but neglected the third (“Return of The Jedi”) which seemingly tied everything up into a neat bow (that is, until LucasFilm went full “Star Wars Inc”).
     
    Return of the Jedi is very mediocre.

    Never really got the hate people have for the third one. Ewoks v. Storm Troopers seems contrived, but remember this was an allusion to Vietnam, where it seemed to Hollywood types that the small, jungle-based, underfunded commies defeated the well-trained, larger, well-funded, well-equipped U.S. troops.

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    Never really got the hate people have for the third one.
     
    It was deathly dull. Then there's the third act problem. Instead of the tight ending to A New Hope (the assault on the Death Star is a master-class in editing), we get three separate storylines: the assault on Death Star II, Han & Leia deactivating the shield on the planet, and Luke's confrontation with the Emperor.

    Ewoks v. Storm Troopers seems contrived, but remember this was an allusion to Vietnam, where it seemed to Hollywood types that the small, jungle-based, underfunded commies defeated the well-trained, larger, well-funded, well-equipped U.S. troops.
     
    Not one of Lucas' brighter ideas. He should have kept it in his drawer.
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  196. syonredux says:
    @Truth
    No, but it seems you are having a pleasant fantasy, I would not be so crude as to interrupt.

    No, but it seems you are having a pleasant fantasy, I would not be so crude as to interrupt.

    Excellent, dear boy. Classic case of Projection. But that’s simply a necessary stage. Please, keep on going. I think that we are getting closer to the trauma that shaped you…..

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  197. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Wikipedia doesn't say anything about Asian ancestry for him, but maybe he can be his generation's Yul Brenner, combining charisma with exotic looks.

    That he survived Girls, and became the biggest star out of it, is a credit to him.

    His big breaks were playing Jewish characters in Girls and Frances Ha. That seems to be the main reason for his success so far. He can play Jewish characters. There are lots of Jewish roles because there are lots of Jewish writers and filmmakers who write them.

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    What is Adam Driver's background? He's kind of a redneck, right?

    He served in the Marines after 9/11. He's talked about having a hard time adjusting to life in NYC.

    , @Clyde

    His big breaks were playing Jewish characters in Girls and Frances Ha. That seems to be the main reason for his success so far. He can play Jewish characters.
     
    This makes Adam Driver the token Jew in the new Star Wars. The Chinese don't not know this but his fans in America will think this carries over from playing a Jewish character in Girls. Is he on board The Starship Enterprise or do I have the wrong movie?

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    (but no Triple threat like Sammy Davis Jr.)
    , @syonredux

    His big breaks were playing Jewish characters in Girls and Frances Ha
     
    I don't remember his character in Girls being Jewish; his character's name was Adam Sackler, and Sackler isn't exactly a stereotypically Jewish name.
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  198. syonredux says:
    @whorefinder
    Never really got the hate people have for the third one. Ewoks v. Storm Troopers seems contrived, but remember this was an allusion to Vietnam, where it seemed to Hollywood types that the small, jungle-based, underfunded commies defeated the well-trained, larger, well-funded, well-equipped U.S. troops.

    Never really got the hate people have for the third one.

    It was deathly dull. Then there’s the third act problem. Instead of the tight ending to A New Hope (the assault on the Death Star is a master-class in editing), we get three separate storylines: the assault on Death Star II, Han & Leia deactivating the shield on the planet, and Luke’s confrontation with the Emperor.

    Ewoks v. Storm Troopers seems contrived, but remember this was an allusion to Vietnam, where it seemed to Hollywood types that the small, jungle-based, underfunded commies defeated the well-trained, larger, well-funded, well-equipped U.S. troops.

    Not one of Lucas’ brighter ideas. He should have kept it in his drawer.

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    It was lazily written too. Another Death Star? Gosh, that's original. One reason why that movie was sometimes referred to as Retread of the Jedi. And the dialogue was awful too Mind you, none of the Star Wars movies were great in that regard, but the dialogue in Star Wars was much better than in any of the sequels. Also, it had Alec Guiness and Peter Cushing to deliver some of it.
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  199. syonredux says:
    @The Millennial Falcon
    The Han/Leia/Ewok plot is half-baked (though not bad - just more like Willow than Star Wars), but the Luke vs. Vader vs. Emperor showdown in the third act is great. Ending a trilogy on a high note is a tough feat.

    The Han/Leia/Ewok plot is half-baked (though not bad – just more like Willow than Star Wars), but the Luke vs. Vader vs. Emperor showdown in the third act is great. Ending a trilogy on a high note is a tough feat.

    That’s the best part of the whole movie.

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  200. @e
    Will Smith, with those funny-looking little ears, "handsome"? I can think of a lot of handsome actors, and yes, a lot of handsome black actors, but Will Smith? All along, I thought there must be other reasons for his success, like a buff body, and that he'd be liked more by guys who identified with him as a hero rather than girls who wanted to be with him.

    Will Smiff is widely rumored to be gay. The rumors are longstanding and persistent. If true, that’s probably the biggest factor leading to his inexplicable success in Hollywood.

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    Inexplicable? From the late 90s on into the late 00s, Tom Cruise, Jim Carrey and Will Smith were the best value-added stars in Hollywood.

    All of them seemed to hit mid-life crises pretty hard a decade ago, but in their primes they were as legit as it gets from a box office perspective.
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  201. @Anonymous
    His big breaks were playing Jewish characters in Girls and Frances Ha. That seems to be the main reason for his success so far. He can play Jewish characters. There are lots of Jewish roles because there are lots of Jewish writers and filmmakers who write them.

    What is Adam Driver’s background? He’s kind of a redneck, right?

    He served in the Marines after 9/11. He’s talked about having a hard time adjusting to life in NYC.

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    Driver was born in San Diego, California, on November 19, 1983,[1] the son of Nancy (née Needham) Wright, a paralegal, and Joe Douglas Driver.[3][4][5] His father's family is from Arkansas and his mother's family is from Indiana. His stepfather, Rodney G. Wright, is a minister at a Baptist church.[6] When Driver was seven years old, he moved with his mother and older sister to her hometown of Mishawaka, Indiana, where he grew up and attended high school at Mishawaka High School.[7][8] Driver had a religious upbringing, and sang in choir at church.[9] As a teenager, Driver described himself as a "misfit", telling M Magazine that he climbed radio towers, set objects on fire, and also co-founded a fight club with his friends after being inspired by the movie of the same name.[10] After high school and before his military service, Driver worked as a door-to-door salesman selling Kirby vacuum cleaners and as a telemarketer for a basement waterproofing company and Ben Franklin Construction[11].

    Military service and education
    Shortly after the September 11 attacks, Driver joined the United States Marine Corps[12] and was assigned to Weapons Company, 1st Battalion, 1st Marines as an 81mm mortar man.[13] He served for two years and eight months with no deployments before breaking his sternum while mountain biking.[14] He was medically discharged. After leaving the Marine Corps, Driver attended the University of Indianapolis for a year; he transferred to the Juilliard School to study drama. Driver said that he was seen as an intimidating and volatile figure by his classmates, and struggled to fit into a lifestyle so different from the Marines.[10] He was a member of the Drama Division's Group 38 (2005–2009), along with his future wife Joanne Tucker. He graduated with a Bachelor of Fine Arts degree in 2009
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Driver
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  202. Clyde says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    The most elvish looking celebrity has to be Lauren Mayberry of Chvrches, but unlike Ridley, she's very easy on the eyes: http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/2016+Coachella+Valley+Music+Arts+Festival+wniKg_1FykOx.jpg

    Bjork is the most elf like especially when younger. She even looks part Esquimau.

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  203. Clyde says:
    @Anonymous
    His big breaks were playing Jewish characters in Girls and Frances Ha. That seems to be the main reason for his success so far. He can play Jewish characters. There are lots of Jewish roles because there are lots of Jewish writers and filmmakers who write them.

    His big breaks were playing Jewish characters in Girls and Frances Ha. That seems to be the main reason for his success so far. He can play Jewish characters.

    This makes Adam Driver the token Jew in the new Star Wars. The Chinese don’t not know this but his fans in America will think this carries over from playing a Jewish character in Girls. Is he on board The Starship Enterprise or do I have the wrong movie?

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    Much of the world was first introduced to Adam Driver with his portrayal of Kylo Ren in Star Wars: The Force Awakens. Previously known to a smaller audience for his Emmy-nominated work in HBO’s Girls, Driver has since b…

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  204. @40 Acres and A Kardashian
    Will Smiff is widely rumored to be gay. The rumors are longstanding and persistent. If true, that's probably the biggest factor leading to his inexplicable success in Hollywood.

    Inexplicable? From the late 90s on into the late 00s, Tom Cruise, Jim Carrey and Will Smith were the best value-added stars in Hollywood.

    All of them seemed to hit mid-life crises pretty hard a decade ago, but in their primes they were as legit as it gets from a box office perspective.

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    Inexplicable? From the late 90s on into the late 00s, Tom Cruise, Jim Carrey and Will Smith were the best value-added stars in Hollywood.
     
    That's true, and I stand corrected.

    I think he's ugly, stupid, and a poor actor, but while I may find his popularity baffling, there's no denying that he's popular with audiences, which sells tickets, making lots of money for studios, and leading to more big roles for him. So his success is hardly "inexplicable."

    Of course, if he's gay, I've no doubt that helped him in the early days.
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  205. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous
    His big breaks were playing Jewish characters in Girls and Frances Ha. That seems to be the main reason for his success so far. He can play Jewish characters. There are lots of Jewish roles because there are lots of Jewish writers and filmmakers who write them.

    His big breaks were playing Jewish characters in Girls and Frances Ha

    I don’t remember his character in Girls being Jewish; his character’s name was Adam Sackler, and Sackler isn’t exactly a stereotypically Jewish name.

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  206. syonredux says:
    @Steve Sailer
    What is Adam Driver's background? He's kind of a redneck, right?

    He served in the Marines after 9/11. He's talked about having a hard time adjusting to life in NYC.

    Driver was born in San Diego, California, on November 19, 1983,[1] the son of Nancy (née Needham) Wright, a paralegal, and Joe Douglas Driver.[3][4][5] His father’s family is from Arkansas and his mother’s family is from Indiana. His stepfather, Rodney G. Wright, is a minister at a Baptist church.[6] When Driver was seven years old, he moved with his mother and older sister to her hometown of Mishawaka, Indiana, where he grew up and attended high school at Mishawaka High School.[7][8] Driver had a religious upbringing, and sang in choir at church.[9] As a teenager, Driver described himself as a “misfit”, telling M Magazine that he climbed radio towers, set objects on fire, and also co-founded a fight club with his friends after being inspired by the movie of the same name.[10] After high school and before his military service, Driver worked as a door-to-door salesman selling Kirby vacuum cleaners and as a telemarketer for a basement waterproofing company and Ben Franklin Construction[11].

    Military service and education
    Shortly after the September 11 attacks, Driver joined the United States Marine Corps[12] and was assigned to Weapons Company, 1st Battalion, 1st Marines as an 81mm mortar man.[13] He served for two years and eight months with no deployments before breaking his sternum while mountain biking.[14] He was medically discharged. After leaving the Marine Corps, Driver attended the University of Indianapolis for a year; he transferred to the Juilliard School to study drama. Driver said that he was seen as an intimidating and volatile figure by his classmates, and struggled to fit into a lifestyle so different from the Marines.[10] He was a member of the Drama Division’s Group 38 (2005–2009), along with his future wife Joanne Tucker. He graduated with a Bachelor of Fine Arts degree in 2009

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Driver

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  207. @The Millennial Falcon
    Inexplicable? From the late 90s on into the late 00s, Tom Cruise, Jim Carrey and Will Smith were the best value-added stars in Hollywood.

    All of them seemed to hit mid-life crises pretty hard a decade ago, but in their primes they were as legit as it gets from a box office perspective.

    Inexplicable? From the late 90s on into the late 00s, Tom Cruise, Jim Carrey and Will Smith were the best value-added stars in Hollywood.

    That’s true, and I stand corrected.

    I think he’s ugly, stupid, and a poor actor, but while I may find his popularity baffling, there’s no denying that he’s popular with audiences, which sells tickets, making lots of money for studios, and leading to more big roles for him. So his success is hardly “inexplicable.”

    Of course, if he’s gay, I’ve no doubt that helped him in the early days.

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  208. guest says:
    @whorefinder

    Aside from being unfeminine, Rey is plain weird-looking. Not in an outright ugly way. But in that way fashion models are expected to have a “hook”: some cheap way to make them memorable. She’s memorable because she resembles a fish, or something. I can’t quite put my finger on it. But it certainly helps her act like a bitch throughout the series.
     
    Rey looking like a fish is both true and hilarious. Some alt-right reviewer pegged her as a bad actress early, as her sole expression is having her eyes bug out and her mouth open---like a fish.


    Luke Skywalker never got a romantic storyline. The stand-out attractive characters–Han and Leia–fell in love. That’s how it’s supposed to work.
     
    Luke was supposed to get Leia, as she was supposed to choose the nerdy good guy over the bad boy, but that got nixed when Han proved extremely popular and Luke and Leia didn't generate enough chemistry. So Lucas hastily made them brother and sister to make sure Luke wasn't "bested" in the love triangle.

    Inadvertently, Lucas's decision made psychological sense; when long-lost, never-met-before siblings or parent-children meet as adults, there is psychologically documented and quite common sexual attraction between them, thus explaining why Luke was so moved initially just at seeing Leia's hologram that he jumps at the chance to escape his planet and save her.

    As a kid, I never got why Han was so popular or cool; I was all about Luke growing into the savior, and Han acted like a jerk; I couldn't understand why so much of the story focused on Han, or why Han is rewarded for his bad boy behavior by snagging the pretty girl. I get Han's appeal now, having swallowed the red pill. But I still feel like Luke, the self-sacrificing, hero-on-a-journey, deserved something besides celibacy.

    Han was a jerk, but in an endearing way. His masculine qualities appeal to men as well as women: self-reliance; manly defiance; skill at piloting, smuggling/evasion, gun-slinging; and a strong sense of camaraderie. Not for nothing does he become Luke’s best friend.

    Don’t forget, he’s not rewarded for being a bad boy. He goes from selfish loner to hero in the first movie when he doubles back to save Luke. Otherwise, he never would’ve seen the princess again. Plus, Darth Vader would’ve blown Luke out of the sky and saved the Death Star.

    As a kid, I was always soft on Luke in the original. Because he was whiny and Harrison Ford’s performance was a tour de force. He was clearly a star. But Luke matured better, and I love his story in Jedi, where he risks his life to redeem his father. He’s the character that grew up.

    Didn’t help that I never really cared about the love story, though they hit the arguing as foreplay theme perfectly.

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  209. guest says:
    @Truth
    We all agree that Asian broads are hotter, and just, well, flat out better human beings, don't we?

    No.

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    @Peter Akuleyev
    Knightly, Headey, Ridley, they are similar.

    Yes, they are all British, and all look very Celtic. Quite funny to see so many people at Unz of all places taking a crap on white women's looks.

    “Quite funny to see so many people at Unz of all places taking a crap on white women’s looks”

    Why? Trigglypuff was white. We crap on her all the time.

    Besides, it’s not crapping on them to say they look weird and fall short of the ideals of feminine beauty. Ehich I wish Hollywood still promoted.

    If people said they’re merely attractive and admitted they’re weird-looking, I wouldn’t have anything to add.

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  211. @Arclight
    I feel bad for Boyega - he is given an implausible role as the galaxy's only black storm trooper who somehow knows a ton of insider stuff about how the Empire works, and has to deliver 3rd rate comedic lines. However, he actually seems like an actor that would be good in a well-written comedy.

    Adam Driver is totally miscast - his mumbly delivery and misshapen looks are impossible to take seriously. Ms. Tran is kind of plain-looking and is given a very stupid character with bad lines.

    Oscar Isaac is also given subpar material but he seems to have charisma. But he's not the star because he's a man, and these new movies are about as subtle as a brick to the head when it comes to making women the strong and wise 'heroes' of the film.

    Mark Hamill is not and never has been a good actor.

    But he’s not the star because he’s a man, and these new movies are about as subtle as a brick to the head when it comes to making women the strong and wise ‘heroes’ of the film.

    They’re now openly trying to rub our noses in it:

    As Maggie, a woman who knew something about actual power, once said, ‘If you have to tell people you are, you aren’t.’

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    @Truth


    I’m in my 50s, and the last movie I saw in the theater was American Sniper.
     
    You watch the Patriot faux-football matches every Sunday. That's enough theatre.

    I haven’t watched a football game since last year’s Super Bowl. The older I get, the less important sports have become.

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  213. @Corn
    Are you the same Ryan Landry of Weimerica Weekly and 28Sherman?

    Yes

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  214. Mr. Anon says:
    @syonredux

    Never really got the hate people have for the third one.
     
    It was deathly dull. Then there's the third act problem. Instead of the tight ending to A New Hope (the assault on the Death Star is a master-class in editing), we get three separate storylines: the assault on Death Star II, Han & Leia deactivating the shield on the planet, and Luke's confrontation with the Emperor.

    Ewoks v. Storm Troopers seems contrived, but remember this was an allusion to Vietnam, where it seemed to Hollywood types that the small, jungle-based, underfunded commies defeated the well-trained, larger, well-funded, well-equipped U.S. troops.
     
    Not one of Lucas' brighter ideas. He should have kept it in his drawer.

    It was lazily written too. Another Death Star? Gosh, that’s original. One reason why that movie was sometimes referred to as Retread of the Jedi. And the dialogue was awful too Mind you, none of the Star Wars movies were great in that regard, but the dialogue in Star Wars was much better than in any of the sequels. Also, it had Alec Guiness and Peter Cushing to deliver some of it.

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    Star Wars also had some of the worst lines - "We, uh, ran into some old friends" from Leia would have fit right in with the prequels.
    , @syonredux

    It was lazily written too. Another Death Star? Gosh, that’s original.
     
    Yeah. Let's see, we've had 9 Star Wars movies, and Death Stars (of one kind or another) have been featured in four of them (A New Hope, Return of the Jedi, The Force Awakens , and Rogue One) .....

    And the dialogue was awful too Mind you, none of the Star Wars movies were great in that regard, but the dialogue in Star Wars was much better than in any of the sequels. Also, it had Alec Guiness and Peter Cushing to deliver some of it.
     
    General rule is that, in order to deliver Lucas' rather stilted dialogue, you need classical stage training. Hence, the actors who stand out are James Earl Jones, Peter Cushing, and Alec Guinness.

    Harrison Ford also did pretty well, but his dialogue was a bit more naturalistic than what the others had to deliver.
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  215. @Mr. Anon
    It was lazily written too. Another Death Star? Gosh, that's original. One reason why that movie was sometimes referred to as Retread of the Jedi. And the dialogue was awful too Mind you, none of the Star Wars movies were great in that regard, but the dialogue in Star Wars was much better than in any of the sequels. Also, it had Alec Guiness and Peter Cushing to deliver some of it.

    Star Wars also had some of the worst lines – “We, uh, ran into some old friends” from Leia would have fit right in with the prequels.

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  216. syonredux says:
    @Mr. Anon
    It was lazily written too. Another Death Star? Gosh, that's original. One reason why that movie was sometimes referred to as Retread of the Jedi. And the dialogue was awful too Mind you, none of the Star Wars movies were great in that regard, but the dialogue in Star Wars was much better than in any of the sequels. Also, it had Alec Guiness and Peter Cushing to deliver some of it.

    It was lazily written too. Another Death Star? Gosh, that’s original.

    Yeah. Let’s see, we’ve had 9 Star Wars movies, and Death Stars (of one kind or another) have been featured in four of them (A New Hope, Return of the Jedi, The Force Awakens , and Rogue One) …..

    And the dialogue was awful too Mind you, none of the Star Wars movies were great in that regard, but the dialogue in Star Wars was much better than in any of the sequels. Also, it had Alec Guiness and Peter Cushing to deliver some of it.

    General rule is that, in order to deliver Lucas’ rather stilted dialogue, you need classical stage training. Hence, the actors who stand out are James Earl Jones, Peter Cushing, and Alec Guinness.

    Harrison Ford also did pretty well, but his dialogue was a bit more naturalistic than what the others had to deliver.

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    It didn't help that Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill couldn't act. Even Chewbacca and
    R2-D2 were more convincing delivering their "lines" than those two. The late Carie Fisher was also awful in The Force Awakens. I don't know about Hamill's newer performance, as I haven't watched the last Star Wars flick and probably never will.
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  217. BB753 says:
    @syonredux

    It was lazily written too. Another Death Star? Gosh, that’s original.
     
    Yeah. Let's see, we've had 9 Star Wars movies, and Death Stars (of one kind or another) have been featured in four of them (A New Hope, Return of the Jedi, The Force Awakens , and Rogue One) .....

    And the dialogue was awful too Mind you, none of the Star Wars movies were great in that regard, but the dialogue in Star Wars was much better than in any of the sequels. Also, it had Alec Guiness and Peter Cushing to deliver some of it.
     
    General rule is that, in order to deliver Lucas' rather stilted dialogue, you need classical stage training. Hence, the actors who stand out are James Earl Jones, Peter Cushing, and Alec Guinness.

    Harrison Ford also did pretty well, but his dialogue was a bit more naturalistic than what the others had to deliver.

    It didn’t help that Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill couldn’t act. Even Chewbacca and
    R2-D2 were more convincing delivering their “lines” than those two. The late Carie Fisher was also awful in The Force Awakens. I don’t know about Hamill’s newer performance, as I haven’t watched the last Star Wars flick and probably never will.

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  218. Lagertha says:
    @Melendwyr
    How about them living for their families instead? Families that include lots of children. That would be much more useful than dying.

    Of course; in the Nordic culture, however, my culture, we talk about death a lot more. We talk about regret, revenge, a lot more, too.

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