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One of the odder developments of the Obama Age was the severe case of Islamophilia that broke out among Jewish liberals.

From commenter Jay Fink:

Jay Fink says:
September 3, 2017 at 6:58 am GMT • 100 Words
@AnotherDad

I agree that the American Jewish newfound love affair with Muslims and Muslim immigration is downright bizarre. I have seen it in my own family. My cousin, an elite lawyer, regularly posts on Facebook about how he favors Muslim immigration, especially Syrian refugees. He also is passionately against Trump’s travel ban Not that long ago he never talked or thought about Muslims at all, these days he is very defensive of all things Islam.

Two questions come to mind. Are European Jews as pro-Muslim as American Jews have become? I guess I already know the answer…no way. Also I wonder if Muslims love American Jews back? My guess is no this is a case of unrequited love.

Commenter Tyrion replies:

I know plenty like that. They are constantly posting on the topic ever since Merkel’s madness. They even go so far as to lionise the dreams of Muslims in France seeking so-called refuge in the UK. The ridiculousness of which doesn’t seem to register.

Two questions come to mind. Are European Jews as pro-Muslim as American Jews have become? I guess I already know the answer…no way

I think we might be. I actually lost a fellow Jew as a friend over this. They were not a good friend but still! On the other hand, I did publically question their patriotism and call them an ingrate so I was not as civil as I might have been.

I have another friend who thankfully takes things like that a lot less personally but is almost as bad and they are as connected to Israel and France as they are to the UK and still refugee/Muslim crazy. Since in both Israel and France Muslims specifically target Jews for death it seems pretty strange.

Also, Reform synagogues constantly signal on this issue. Indeed it may be the number one issue they signal on. My eyes roll so far back into my head at points in some services that I must look like I’m in a trance.

My best explanation is that those doing the signalling are just transferring the refugee stories of Jews in WWII to Muslims now and that they are not smart or motivated enough to discern the seemingly obvious differences. There are plenty of Muslim states, Britain was the closest safe state for Jews fleeing Germany etc etc.

In one case it is clearly pathological. The individual was bullied out of their job by extremely anti-Semitic Muslim teens and yet has as their number one issue bringing as many over as possible. That pathology though would be co-morbid with many others pathologies, as they are lovely, intelligent and kind but plainly medically crazy.

These are just anecdotes and women do seem much more wrapped up in this stuff than men. Those that are committed to it are also committed to progressive politics more generally. Many would identify as feminists before other saner labels. Which is as strange a reason to support the importation of the most misogynistic group of men in the world as being Jewish is to support the importation of the most anti-Semitic. I’m therefore tempted to put it down to feminine solipsism and feelings but it also ties directly into progressivism more generally, and signalling on this issue is particularly virtuous for Jews because it is so clearly counter to Jewish interests.

 
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  1. Busby says:

    Not virtue signaling. More like the Wagstaff Rule…whatever the right is for, we’re against it.

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    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Not virtue signaling. More like the Wagstaff Rule…
     
    Any relation to Richard Wagstaff Clark?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Clark
    , @Olorin
    My read as well, though I think Paul Berman was onto something regarding the thanatophilia at the heart of modern leftism.

    See for starters his Terror and Liberalism, 2004 iirc. Though he's too Godwin's Law for my taste sometimes.
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  2. Sounds similar to American Evangelicals’ unrequited love of Jews.

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    • Replies: @StillCARealist
    Wrong. American Evangelicals love Israel, not Jews.
    , @Dmitry134564
    There are more American Evangelicals coming to Israel as tourists each year, than there are American Jews. The former have quite a rational interest in supporting Israel, as they experience first hand how the pilgrimage sites are flourishing and the land and their own safely is guarded by the current rulers (actually American Christian tourists in Israel often give gifts to the soldiers and border police).

    The revival of Hebrew culture since last century is also a positive for anyone whose imagination is caught up in the world of the bible.

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  3. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “I’m therefore tempted to put it down to feminine solipsism and feelings but it also ties directly into progressivism more generally, and signalling on this issue is particularly virtuous for Jews because it is so clearly counter to Jewish interests. ”

    -Maybe. Or perhaps appearing foolishly virtuous in publicly supporting Muslims is a small price to pay for quietly transferring the Muslims’ rage at Israel onto the US and Europe. Indeed, it may be key- people tend to believe it when you appear to do something against your best interests.

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    • Replies: @It's All Ball Bearings
    I like your theory, but this doesn't end well for any Jews, though in the short term, yes.
    , @A narco capitalist
    It's still part of the same plan of dispossessing Christian gentiles. That a few Jews happen to get slaughtered in the process, well whaddaya whaddaya.
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  4. My Jewish in-laws are also quick to leap to the defense of Muslims whenever I make a disparaging comment about them. “Not all of them are problem, only a tiny minority,” I was scolded. I responded, “Isn’t it remarkable that that tiny minority you speak of has been enough to change our whole way of life in the West, from the security at airports and government buildings to the way women are advised to dress and conduct themselves in Muslim-infested European cities?”

    They really seem to think of Muslims as honorary Jews. I don’t get it. Is it just because the Goyim are discomfited by Muslim immigration that they’re for it, the way blacks will support their own displacement by Hispanics as long as it displeases whites? Do they think that if Jews had made common cause with the Nazis early on that the Holocaust might have been avoided?

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    • Replies: @Broski
    "Do they think that if Jews had made common cause with the Nazis early on that the Holocaust might have been avoided?"

    That ship sailed on November 2, 1917, when Lord Walter Rothschild received the Balfour Declaration.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration#Zionist_reaction
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Do they think that if Jews had made common cause with the Nazis early on that the Holocaust might have been avoided?
     
    Actually, some Zionist German Jews did make common cause with them, as they shared the view Europe wasn't the place for Jews to be. This was before the party was taken over by that faggot with the mustache who screwed everything up.
    , @AnotherDad

    They really seem to think of Muslims as honorary Jews. I don’t get it. Is it just because the Goyim are discomfited by Muslim immigration that they’re for it, the way blacks will support their own displacement by Hispanics as long as it displeases whites?
     
    I think this analogy is unfair to blacks. The couple of black guys who are friends of mine certainly aren't in this boat and while not rude about it are generally hostile to the Mexican influx. (The one now living in Phoenix particularly concerned about the long term trend.) Everything I read and hear from actual ordinary blacks coincides with this view--they have no love for the "Hispanic" influx or immigration in general.

    Yes, most of them continue to vote for the Democrats. The Democrats are the big state party with a core plank of their platform being giving things to blacks. You can argue that that blacks aren't making a smart long term tradeoff there. (And you'd be correct.) But "smart" and "long term thinking" aren't qualities usually associated with the average black.

    Still most blacks have the correct self-interested view of immigration and aren't *personally* on board with immigration just to screw whitey. This is unlike this situation with many Jews who are personally invested in jamming diversity down whitey's throat even if it's shooting themselves in the foot.

    (Note, I don't conclude from this that blacks are smarter than Jews. Rather I conclude that Jews have "other issues".)
    , @Jake
    It makes sense only 1 way, especially when you factor in the high average Jewish IQ. That one way is that historic Christian theology is true.

    Inn that case, then there is the fact that the entire Jewish reason for being was to be the people who would shelter revealed religion until the Incarnation, until Christ. if that is you reason for being, and you reject the Messias in order to follow a religion of racial focus, then you will do major psychological and spiritual damage to yourself. And that will lead your people, century after century, in country after country, to make it big, and destroy your people slowly in so doing.

    Jews will keep repeating that tragic trajectory until either most of them convert or else the Second Coming ends their chances to repent.

    Jews getting super filthy rich and unbelievably powerful after Hitler is Satan's best tool for keeping them in the camp of anti-Christ. Jews now romanticizing Moslems, determined to flood the entire Western world with Moslems, is Satan's best joke in some time.
    , @Cloud of Probable Matricide
    Lots of Jews (aka Communists) did make common cause with Hitler early on. I guess Stalin wasn't a reliable Rebbe, so it didn't work too well.
    , @Mark Caplan

    if the Jews had made common cause with the Nazis early on
     
    Zionists (Jewish ultra-nationalists) did in fact make common cause with some Nazis, but Hitler's deranged belief in a Masonic- British-Bolshivik-Jewish international conspiracy put the kibosh on any Nazi alliance with Zionists.
    , @Corvinus
    "Isn’t it remarkable that that tiny minority you speak of has been enough to change our whole way of life in the West, from the security at airports and government buildings to the way women are advised to dress and conduct themselves in Muslim-infested European cities?”

    It has changed life remarkably in the United States from the safety standpoint. And it is remarkable given how America's foreign policies are coming home to roost because a particular subset of Muslims are bastardizing their faith for their own demonic ends.
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  5. a guy says:

    I know a girl like this , a cousin through marriage . Everyone else in her family are Trump supporters or apolitical . Her favorite cause is Palestinians . I always ask her opinion on Darfur , Papua ,Cyprus ,Tibet ,Biafra , Western Sahara , Kurdistan , and ongoing slavery in the Islamic countries which enrages her . Her family loves my antics .

    She also fancies herself a gay rights activist . I have asked her many times how she reconciles this with the fact that homosexuality is illegal and punishable by the death penalty in many Islamic states including Palestinian territories. Never got an answer . My guess is that these sort of people are the proverbial useful idiots ?

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    " Useful idiots"

    Nope, rather insane leftists, and all attempts at rational, common sense discussion is a hopeless exercise in futility.

    Your cousin is nuts, and she is unable to understand what you are trying to get across, just take it from there.

    Anthenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne qualified US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician
    , @cucksworth
    The goal is to have a civil war in the west between muslims and Americans/Europeans, the weaker the west is, the strong israel will become in their eyes.

    Its about lowering out ability to fight back as a united front.
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  6. f, dj says:

    Perhaps it is slowly beginning to dawn on Steve that progressive American Jews do not care all that much about the interests of Israel or the Jewish people generally. Like other progressive whites, they just care about being progressive.

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    • Agree: Clyde
    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    Perhaps it is slowly beginning to dawn on Steve that progressive American Jews do not care all that much about the interests of Israel or the Jewish people generally. Like other progressive whites, they just care about being progressive.
     
    Amen. Finally some sense on the comments section.
    , @International Jew

    Perhaps it is slowly beginning to dawn on Steve
     
    I wish that were true, but I don't see any evidence for it.
    , @DIscharged EE
    if the mass of American Jewry disagree with AIPAC, I sure have missed that dissent. For example, when Walt and Mearsheimer book came out , the authors were told that their careers would never progress from this point. Was there dissent ? how many invitations to campuses have they received? did their critics receive any rebukes from the mass of American Jewry?

    I wonder how many US universities even carry a copy of their book. I would say that the bulk of American Jewry remain deeply committed to suppressing any widespread discussion of Israel and the burden it imposes on the US.
    , @Wade
    Over the years Steve has directed most of his ire at Neocon Jews who are crazy over Israel, you know like most of those at Fox News and in the Republican party - David Brooks types. I see no evidence that he doesn't get the distinction between these Jews and the ones like Bernie Sanders.
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  7. jb says:

    This is clearly a religious issue. And I mean that in a very literal sense, since religion, at its root, is not about God and the supernatural, but rather about what is sacred. According to the theology of progressive believers, bigotry is the Great Satan, the source of all the evil that has ever afflicted humanity, and as such it is morally imperative for all virtuous people to fight it wherever it hides. And of course, it hides everywhere!

    I really think it’s as simple as that. If an issue can be interpreted in terms of bigotry, then it must be interpreted in terms of bigotry. Any other considerations come second. If the fight against bigotry seems to conflict with other worthy causes, then you must readjust your thinking about those other causes so that there is no conflict. The fight against bigotry must always comes first.

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    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Loveofknowledge
    I was just thinking the same thing the other day - maybe "liberalism" is best understood as a religion that elevates racism/bigotry to be the number one sin that transcends all others.

    This explains the excessive level of condemnation of people, including historical figures, as just being pure evil because they exhibited some racial prejudice. As opposed to seeing an individual as complex, flawed in some ways good in others, etc. - instead you get branded a "bigot" and you're one-dimensional pure evil.

    Since this "religion" arose in the West, maybe it's best understood as a sort of Christian heresy. I think that blogger Mencius Moldbug made a similar point years ago, I might have to go back and re-read.

    It's like they dropped certain aspects of Christianity (supernatural beliefs, sexual morality) but kept others (compassion for the poor and downtrodden). They removed or downplayed some of the Ten Commandments (adultery, coveting) and made Thou Shalt Not Be Bigoted the first commandment carved in an extra large and bold font.

    I was raised Catholic but consider myself non-religious. I'm not a true believer in Christianity or in this new Liberalism religion. Nonetheless I actually find traditional Christianity much more appealing in general than this creepy new cult pseudo-religion. Christianity has a much more sensible view of human nature overall.
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  8. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Maybe they are just naive and too child like.

    Totally unsophisticated in the Big world out there to make it. IQ is truly not everything.

    Despite Nobels…… dangerously naive.

    Pray for them!!!

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    • Replies: @the cruncher
    A commenter elsewhere said he knew a lot of Jews and that they don't think long-term. Sounds ridiculous, except, perhaps the rank-and-file, used to being the smartest around, and being able to rise to the top in every situation, are not used to having to think long-term. Still not very satisfying, but it was an interesting half-thought anyway.
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  9. AndrewR says:

    To sum it up very roughly: Christians love Jews but hate Muslims. Jews love Muslims but hate Christians. Muslims hate Jews and Christians.

    More to the point: Jews love Muslims because Christians hate Muslims.

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  10. I think the Tragedy of the Jews is that they have come to swallow their own exhaust.

    Once upon a time, it did indeed serve their purposes to push the identity politics agenda, and to argue that all minority groups were effectively oppressed, but were, inherently, every bit the equal to others, and deserved far greater acceptance in the majority society. This idea had immense appeal, and, in the good portion of the beginning of the twentieth century, some initial plausibility.

    But Jews, particularly the later generations among them, who were raised mostly with no alternative, more self-protective, point of view, couldn’t get off this idea. The idea, meant in no small part as spin by earlier generations, took in the later generations like gullible marks. The belief that all groups were, at base, identical in their potential, was intoxicating in its vision and its concomitant rush of moral superiority.

    The problem is that Jews thereby created a Frankenstein monster that would, in time, eat them alive. The more secular among them have outmarried to a point of near self-elimination. They are, of course, the most despised of the enemies of Islam. Israel, once precious to American Jews, is increasingly regarded as an embarrassment.

    It may or may not be fair to lay the damage wrought by identity politics at the door of Jews. But there’s little question that if whites generally suffer under it, then Jews are getting it even worse. Whites aren’t going away anytime soon. Can anyone say that about the secular Jews?

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    • Replies: @Broski

    It may or may not be fair to lay the damage wrought by identity politics at the door of Jews. But there’s little question that if whites generally suffer under it, then Jews are getting it even worse. Whites aren’t going away anytime soon. Can anyone say that about the secular Jews?

     

    You say that, but America has gone from ~90% white in 1965 to an impending majority-minority status. Whites' indigenous lands (Europe) have been swamped with hyper-fecund people who hate them and organize to rape their daughters. It's hard to quantify the damage done by identity politics, but saying it has hurt Jews more than global Europa is dubious.
    , @AM

    The belief that all groups were, at base, identical in their potential, was intoxicating in its vision and its concomitant rush of moral superiority.
     
    Yes. The expectation that if we subject all humans on the planet to a certain set of environments they'll come out as...secular/Reform Jews is fascinating. Ex-Protestants, particularly those with a strong Germanic line also seem to believe this completely. Except this time they'll turn out as secular Germans.

    The heavy dose of narcissism in the concept helps tremendously. It's like walking into a candy shop and being told that sweets are actually good for you. You're doing the world a favor, even by eating them. So go ahead, make it your complete diet.

    Whites aren’t going away anytime soon. Can anyone say that about the secular Jews?
     
    Exactly. As a general race, we maybe reduced in number, but disappearing no. Jews without an Orthodox level of faith are literally disappearing through intermarriage, assuming they marry and have kids. That's yet another argument against the vast Jewish Conspiracy Theory. If they are ground zero for all that makes us ill, they're managing to kill themselves in the process too.
    , @AndrewR
    Maybe not, but we can definitely say they're not going away soon enough.
    , @The True and Original David
    >The belief that all groups were, at base, identical in their potential, was intoxicating in its vision and its concomitant rush of moral superiority.

    "Concomitant rush of moral superiority" nails it. The belief means (for example) a neighbor's failure to make the NBA college draft is not other than a character flaw or moral fault on his part - volitional, therefore blameworthy - and has nothing to do with the fact that he is 5'3". He is a "bad person," lazy, someone who CHOSE to be a loser. Whereas we, by contrast, can luxuriate in the knowledge of our hard-working moral uprightness, in self-congratulatory homilies, and in sneering contempt. Somehow that's considered more helpful and respectful than simply shrugging and saying "guy's a dwarf on the court."

    There is a lot of immorality in morality.

    , @anon
    You make a very good point. It could just be that Jews have actually come to believe their own bull**** propaganda about diversity and cultural Marxism, which they created and spoon fed to dumb whites through their control of the media and Hollywood.
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  11. Broski says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    My Jewish in-laws are also quick to leap to the defense of Muslims whenever I make a disparaging comment about them. "Not all of them are problem, only a tiny minority," I was scolded. I responded, "Isn't it remarkable that that tiny minority you speak of has been enough to change our whole way of life in the West, from the security at airports and government buildings to the way women are advised to dress and conduct themselves in Muslim-infested European cities?"

    They really seem to think of Muslims as honorary Jews. I don't get it. Is it just because the Goyim are discomfited by Muslim immigration that they're for it, the way blacks will support their own displacement by Hispanics as long as it displeases whites? Do they think that if Jews had made common cause with the Nazis early on that the Holocaust might have been avoided?

    “Do they think that if Jews had made common cause with the Nazis early on that the Holocaust might have been avoided?”

    That ship sailed on November 2, 1917, when Lord Walter Rothschild received the Balfour Declaration.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration#Zionist_reaction

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  12. Broski says:
    @candid_observer
    I think the Tragedy of the Jews is that they have come to swallow their own exhaust.

    Once upon a time, it did indeed serve their purposes to push the identity politics agenda, and to argue that all minority groups were effectively oppressed, but were, inherently, every bit the equal to others, and deserved far greater acceptance in the majority society. This idea had immense appeal, and, in the good portion of the beginning of the twentieth century, some initial plausibility.

    But Jews, particularly the later generations among them, who were raised mostly with no alternative, more self-protective, point of view, couldn't get off this idea. The idea, meant in no small part as spin by earlier generations, took in the later generations like gullible marks. The belief that all groups were, at base, identical in their potential, was intoxicating in its vision and its concomitant rush of moral superiority.

    The problem is that Jews thereby created a Frankenstein monster that would, in time, eat them alive. The more secular among them have outmarried to a point of near self-elimination. They are, of course, the most despised of the enemies of Islam. Israel, once precious to American Jews, is increasingly regarded as an embarrassment.

    It may or may not be fair to lay the damage wrought by identity politics at the door of Jews. But there's little question that if whites generally suffer under it, then Jews are getting it even worse. Whites aren't going away anytime soon. Can anyone say that about the secular Jews?

    It may or may not be fair to lay the damage wrought by identity politics at the door of Jews. But there’s little question that if whites generally suffer under it, then Jews are getting it even worse. Whites aren’t going away anytime soon. Can anyone say that about the secular Jews?

    You say that, but America has gone from ~90% white in 1965 to an impending majority-minority status. Whites’ indigenous lands (Europe) have been swamped with hyper-fecund people who hate them and organize to rape their daughters. It’s hard to quantify the damage done by identity politics, but saying it has hurt Jews more than global Europa is dubious.

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  13. El Dato says:

    My best explanation is that those doing the signalling are just transferring the refugee stories of Jews in WWII to Muslims now and that they are not smart or motivated enough to discern the seemingly obvious differences. There are plenty of Muslim states, Britain was the closest safe state for Jews fleeing Germany etc etc.

    This sounds like a good bet. And it’s not only “the Jews”. The machine-gunning by official memes seems to have left the general impression that these people are being persecuted by literally-Hitler Assad (in league with Putin) and they are all just looking for some hope & friendship (cue dusty children being shown in staged photos). Even though the West+Saudi-Barbaria are actually reponsible for the perpetration/perpetuation of the freakshow. Even if the refugees come from Hillary-touched Lybia or via Murocco.

    Then one is called upon to think of the vast, possibly genetic, definitely pension-scheme assuring, enrichment to Europe and the possibility of missing the next Steve Jobs (who is somehow Syrian) who just now might be setting up shop in the Paris suburbs (where he will be taxed to death, I suppose).

    These pavlovian injections are never examined in depth. People are too busy to sit down and reflect or drill down to base reality. Islamic enclaves are “out there” but generally not where needs to be. And it will fix itself eventually anyway through magic assimilation.

    May be apposite:

    They Thought They Were Free: The Germans 33-45

    “You will understand me when I say that my Middle High German was my life. It was all I cared about. I was a scholar, a specialist. Then, suddenly, I was plunged into all the new activity, as the university was drawn into the new situation; meetings, conferences, interviews, ceremonies, and, above all, papers to be filled out, reports, bibliographies, lists, questionnaires. And on top of that were the demands in the community, the things in which one had to, was ‘expected to’ participate that had not been there or had not been important before. It was all rigmarole, of course, but it consumed all one’s energies, coming on top of the work one really wanted to do. You can see how easy it was, then, not to think about fundamental things. One had no time.”

    “Those,” I said, “are the words of my friend the baker. ‘One had no time to think. There was so much going on.’”

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  14. Ed says:

    This might be one way secular Jews are similar to blacks. They both seem to leap upon the latest cultural progressive fads with extreme gusto without little regard to how it effects them or their group members.

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    • Replies: @Jake
    The great difference being that the average Jewish IQ and the average black IQ are far apart.

    High IQ does not save people from being culturally suicidal.
    , @Joe Walker
    Why do some people find it hard to believe that so-called pro-Muslim Jews just want to get the Muslims as far away from Israel as possible?
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  15. I think that they are afraid that if it is acceptable to make unflattering albeit accurate observations about Moslems, it will become acceptable to make unflattering albeit accurate observations about Jews.

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    Bingo, we have a winner.

    American Jews are stuck between a rock and a hard place. While they have gained acceptance, and even dominance in many spheres of American society, they are still paranoid. But they work so hard to thrust themselves upon Gentile America, demanding that we forget that their worship of and unrelenting advocacy for that shitty little country (bless you, Daniel Bernard, French diplomat for reputedly saying, "All the current troubles in the world are because of that shitty little country Israel.") has led to nothing but trouble for the United States: from the Lavon Affair; to the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty; to the theft of plutonium and krytons (nuclear triggers) from the U.S.; to Jonathan Pollard's espionage and the selling on of its fruit to the Soviet Union; to the wars we have been dragged into for the sake of Greater Israel and the consequent animosity that this has generated in the Muslim world. But, no, no, we can't speak a critical word about Israel, or protest the American Jewish community's outsize influence over denying us a foreign policy that is arguably in THIS NATION's interests. Even even more outrageously, they want to make it a fucking thought crime to support the BDS movement, denying the citizens their right to free speech and association.

    So, they move ever closer to throwing away the tolerance and success that has come to Jews in the United States through their increasingly transparent manipulations of politics, the economy, universities, the culture sphere, and most importantly, through their corruption of the media. And the media are nowadays employed to stand on our feet and shout into our faces arrant nonsense, a tidal wave of lies and distortions, and most ominously, to deny discussion or exposure of many topics of pressing importance to the life of the Republic. And all at the goyims' expense. As usual.

    So now, instead of primarily making common cause with blacks as another historically oppressed minority, they latch onto every fringe identity group to include in their effort to baffle us with bullshit, and to further undermine any stable consensus of positive societal practices and beliefs that were up until recently current in the wider Gentile American society. And then, most ironic of all, they wrap the Muslims into the slumgullion of the "coalition of the fringes" that they are trying to get us to gag down, people very unlikely to view Jews with equanimity if they have any comprehension of the Jews role in leading the U.S. to blow their countries to smithereens and deny them any access to a modern civil society.

    So, it's back to the behaviors of the 50s and 60s, trying to associate themselves with allies in a struggle for acceptance; but such a shit show of disreputable allies and disastrous policies it is that they now advocate for that it is pretty off-putting unless you are a fully-subscribed GoodThinker.

    I'm not one of those.
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  16. @Anonymous
    "I’m therefore tempted to put it down to feminine solipsism and feelings but it also ties directly into progressivism more generally, and signalling on this issue is particularly virtuous for Jews because it is so clearly counter to Jewish interests. "

    -Maybe. Or perhaps appearing foolishly virtuous in publicly supporting Muslims is a small price to pay for quietly transferring the Muslims' rage at Israel onto the US and Europe. Indeed, it may be key- people tend to believe it when you appear to do something against your best interests.

    I like your theory, but this doesn’t end well for any Jews, though in the short term, yes.

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  17. biz says:

    Don’t overthink this. Many liberals of all backgrounds are now big on intersectionality identity politics, and Muslims are far and away on top of the intersectionality hierarchy.

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  18. Dr. X says:

    Why are liberal Jews Islamophilic? I think it’s a classic case of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.” What they’re really afraid of is rural, conservative, American Christians.

    In turn, these conservative Christians regard Muslims as heathen, so the Jews have made a de facto alliance with the Muslims because they don’t think that Muslims in America will ever have sufficient numbers to actually threaten Jewish interests… but Christians do.

    Indeed, I think that this dynamic also explains Jewish Negrophilia in America.

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    Muslims are still very tiny. Only like 1.5% of the U.S. population. But it's another minority group to coddle and weaponize against the white majority.

    Negroes, even at 13% of the population, simply don't have the brains, group wealth or discipline to ever threaten the Jewish power structure and they know it.
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  19. Tiny Duck says:

    Muslims have much more respect for minirities than do white christians. For example during the Muslim caliphate in Spain (Spain’s golden age by the way) Jews were given safe harbor from murderous Christians

    The truth is that muslims are much better people than white christians. Most women and all People of Color agree with that statement. There is a reason white women are increasingly reverting to Islam and bearing children of muslim men

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    JuTiny duck, your facts are wrong.

    1. Minority faiths have been driven out of almost every Muslim majority nation. Muhammad himself was led vast campaigns of slaughter against non muslims. Few people in history were more prolific murderers than Muhammad.

    2. The caliphate was not Spain's golden age. The caliphate ended before 1000. Spain's golden age began at least 500 years later.

    3. The Inquisition was around 500 years after the caliphate. The caliphate could not have prevented Jews from an event 500 years in the future.

    4. As for Muslims being 'better' than Christians, Muslims sure seem eager to flee Muslim lands for Christian ones.

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  20. AM says:
    @candid_observer
    I think the Tragedy of the Jews is that they have come to swallow their own exhaust.

    Once upon a time, it did indeed serve their purposes to push the identity politics agenda, and to argue that all minority groups were effectively oppressed, but were, inherently, every bit the equal to others, and deserved far greater acceptance in the majority society. This idea had immense appeal, and, in the good portion of the beginning of the twentieth century, some initial plausibility.

    But Jews, particularly the later generations among them, who were raised mostly with no alternative, more self-protective, point of view, couldn't get off this idea. The idea, meant in no small part as spin by earlier generations, took in the later generations like gullible marks. The belief that all groups were, at base, identical in their potential, was intoxicating in its vision and its concomitant rush of moral superiority.

    The problem is that Jews thereby created a Frankenstein monster that would, in time, eat them alive. The more secular among them have outmarried to a point of near self-elimination. They are, of course, the most despised of the enemies of Islam. Israel, once precious to American Jews, is increasingly regarded as an embarrassment.

    It may or may not be fair to lay the damage wrought by identity politics at the door of Jews. But there's little question that if whites generally suffer under it, then Jews are getting it even worse. Whites aren't going away anytime soon. Can anyone say that about the secular Jews?

    The belief that all groups were, at base, identical in their potential, was intoxicating in its vision and its concomitant rush of moral superiority.

    Yes. The expectation that if we subject all humans on the planet to a certain set of environments they’ll come out as…secular/Reform Jews is fascinating. Ex-Protestants, particularly those with a strong Germanic line also seem to believe this completely. Except this time they’ll turn out as secular Germans.

    The heavy dose of narcissism in the concept helps tremendously. It’s like walking into a candy shop and being told that sweets are actually good for you. You’re doing the world a favor, even by eating them. So go ahead, make it your complete diet.

    Whites aren’t going away anytime soon. Can anyone say that about the secular Jews?

    Exactly. As a general race, we maybe reduced in number, but disappearing no. Jews without an Orthodox level of faith are literally disappearing through intermarriage, assuming they marry and have kids. That’s yet another argument against the vast Jewish Conspiracy Theory. If they are ground zero for all that makes us ill, they’re managing to kill themselves in the process too.

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  21. newrouter says:

    Jordan Peterson: Why Feminists Love Islam and Hate the West

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    Exactly THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND>
    Jew particularly i the USA do not fear muslims.Muslims are useful idiots (like the blacks and women and perverts they also champion) to deploy against their only real competitors, whites.Jews are not nearly as smart as thought or know something we don't, because its pretty obvious neither jews nor whites will be able to hold power in the wst much longer and neither of us will be treated humanely by the conquerors we invited in from africa mid east south america etc.The elites both white and jews imagine they will eventually just neuter islam the way they did christianity but they cant even control blacks anymore. They also dont seem to get that should whites wake up before its too late which seems to be happening, they are certainly going to come to understand the jews have been trying to kill them while they were asleep which is pretty much happened in europe and led to the holocaust. Either way once again whats good for the jews is not good for the jews, stupid fucking people.
    , @attilathehen
    Jordan Peterson is a cuck. I've listened to his youtubes and in the end he is worried about minorities and their lack of achievement. He acknowledges that IQ is the best predictor for success but as a typical cuck still believes in the fantasy that sometime can be done for them.

    The Muslim problem can be solved when the RCC states that Islam is a Christian heresy. But the RCC is a homosexual, Freemasonic, grand lodge so nothing useful can come out of that organization. Also, the RCC is looking to Africa to save itself.

    As a Caucasian woman, black/Asian men are inferior to me. Jews are also inferior males. Until we get some statements involving IQ, evolution and the need for separation, deportation, repatriation, we'll be going round and round with these issues.
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  22. AM says:

    Also, Reform synagogues constantly signal on this issue. Indeed it may be the number one issue they signal on. My eyes roll so far back into my head at points in some services that I must look like I’m in a trance.

    I’ll take a sudden interest in the ceiling bolts. I’m sure the people around us are convinced I have OCD about it. Since my parish is a new wealthy parish in the South, the virtue signaling is on race relations. Which is insanely funny since the parish is wealthy transplants from the Northeast who may have interacted with blacks in a Wal-mart while living here at most.

    For the record, we’re looking for a more conservative parish. sigh

    It really is virtue signaling, not quite reflexive because these types of topics could be anything. Lots of topics to pick from gay marriage to environment etc. What they all have in common is an attempt to avoid a discussion of actual virtues. Group virtues are so much easier to have.

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  23. I see it here too. It’s weird to me how someone can be a strong Zionist, complain vociferously about the Palestinian Rights march in his neighbourhood, then attack me strongly for wanting to limit immigration.

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    I really don't see the conflict. They just want to get the Muslims away from Israel.
    , @anonymous

    I see it here too. It’s weird to me how someone can be a strong Zionist, complain vociferously about the Palestinian Rights march in his neighbourhood, then attack me strongly for wanting to limit immigration.
     
    Maybe it's a way to make up for their support of Israel with regards to the Palestinians.

    I recall during the Kosovo campaign in 1999, when we bombed the Christian Serbs, the biggest supporters of this policy were the neocons. Some even threatened to abandon the republican party unless the GOP got on board. I recalled thinking it was odd they would side with muslims over a land dispute with Christians. But then I remember thinking that support of that policy might have been a way to mollify muslims who have always complained that the USA is one-sided in its support of Israel.

    So by siding with the muslims in Kosovo, they could show the muslim world that they were not biased against muslims despite their strong support of Israel. And to demonstrate this, they were willing to carve off a piece of a Christian nation to create a brand new muslim one.

    Maybe this too is a way for the zionists you mention to signal to the muslims that their support of Israel is in no way to be taken as dislike for muslims. And to prove it, they are willing to welcome the demographic transformation of the West by the muslim world.
    , @biz
    Is it weird because it never actually happened?
    , @AndrewR
    Ethnostate for me, not for thee, goy.
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  24. songbird says:

    I have two conflicting theories.

    First is that it is pure antipathy paired with historical ignorance. Ashkenazi have been out of the Middle East for a long time, perhaps, even before the Islamic conquest, if they entered Northern Europe from Rome. Christians are their Great Other. And many of the most liberal have a natural paranoia that reaches back into the distant, foggy past. They imagine that all their maternal ancestors gave birth at the stake and the babies were spirited away to be raised as Jews again, only to themselves be consumed by flames as they gave birth again, in an endless cycle, up to recent times.

    Probably many more “witches” were burnt in Europe than Jews, and probably less “witches” in Europe than much of the rest of the world. Medieval times were not fun for anyone. At any rate, the fact that the overwhelming majority of Jews are European or that Ashkenazi had a founding population of only a few hundred and are now over ten million (perhaps the most successful and fruitful people in historical times) are likely unknown. As is the fact that Jews in Spain eventually left the Islamic kingdoms in mass to travel to the Christian ones.

    My second theory is that it is pure egalitarianism. No hard feelings, just instinct. Hypocritical, of course (who isn’t?) but not antipathic, at least in origin. It is very easy to come up with both of these theories from facebook posts.

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    I think that's a serious underestimate. At the time of Jesus of Nazareth
    the Jews were one of the largest groups in the Mediterranean basin -
    numbering 10-12 million. Outside Palestine they lived in places like
    Alexandria, Corinth, Ephesus, Rome, etc. The standard claim is that
    the Jewish population today is numerically about the same as two
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  25. They maybe think at long term when their worst enemy: whites, disappear for ever.

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  26. DFH says:

    Many Jews are more afraid of nationalism (and/or just hate white people more) than they are afraid of Muslims.

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  27. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    These are just anecdotes and women do seem much more wrapped up in this stuff than men.

    Paging Dr. Whiskey… tribal outgroup philia in ob/gyn.

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    Vincente Fox ( Real last name Fuchs) is half German and half Basque ancestry. A white boy . Who does he think he is fooling ? Minority my arse..
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  28. Because they’re not evil white men who all Nazis, some just more openly than others.

    This really isn’t that difficult to understand, Steve-O.

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  29. Luke Lea says:

    Apparently the political stupidity of some Jews knows no end://tikvahfund.org/uncategorized/on-the-political-stupidity-of-the-jews/

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  30. Jews look at Moorish Spain as their ‘golden age’ there is also a believe among the orthodox that for the ‘real’ messiah to come the kingdom of the ‘false’ messiah must be wiped out. This is why Jews supported Ottomans against Europe in the 14-17th centuries. Could be the same here, they seem muslims as finally ‘ending’ European/Christian ‘anti-semitism’.

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  31. Tarrou says:

    I think this and the earlier post about European jews has a simple, straightforward question. Progressives assume the stability of the society they live in, and so want to maximize “fairness”. Everyone else knows that the stability of the society is not a given, it is maintained by a million types of compromises, efforts and labors. Hence the constant drumbeat of “not all muslims”, it needs to be a small problem, nothing to worry about. Where it has become a real problem, it forces everyone affected to suddenly face the possibility that the social compact they thought was in place has eroded to the point of failure. That tends to make people conservative pretty quickly.

    As an allegory, think of a country as a car. The husband and wife may argue about who drives, what bumper stickers to put on it, or where to buy the insurance. But if the car dies, the husband has to fix it. So long as the car runs, the arguments can seem important. When the car dies, there are no more arguments to be had until it is fixed. Progressivism is one giant First World Problem, and non-progressives are those people who haven’t forgotten that there are other possibilities out there than living in the first world.

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  32. utu says:

    Why Have So Many Liberal Jews

    How many is so many? I do not see it. And some I see I think they just go through the motions thinking it has no impact on them. After all Muslim immigration to the US is not that large comparing to Europe. The pressure to make aliyah to Israel is put directly on Jews in Europe by Israel. When Netanyahu comes to the US I do not hear him saying that the US is not good for Jews to be in but you hear it in Europe and every group aliyah from Europe is celebrated in news. France with the largest Jewish population in Europe seems to be targeted the most by aliyah mongers which intensifies after each terrorist event in Europe.

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  33. @Busby
    Not virtue signaling. More like the Wagstaff Rule...whatever the right is for, we're against it.

    Not virtue signaling. More like the Wagstaff Rule…

    Any relation to Richard Wagstaff Clark?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Clark

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    Professor Quincy Adams Wagstaff of Huxley College.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29E6GbYdB1c
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  34. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Maybe it’s a simple matter of supporting whatever policies do the most damage to White people?

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  35. @Harry Baldwin
    My Jewish in-laws are also quick to leap to the defense of Muslims whenever I make a disparaging comment about them. "Not all of them are problem, only a tiny minority," I was scolded. I responded, "Isn't it remarkable that that tiny minority you speak of has been enough to change our whole way of life in the West, from the security at airports and government buildings to the way women are advised to dress and conduct themselves in Muslim-infested European cities?"

    They really seem to think of Muslims as honorary Jews. I don't get it. Is it just because the Goyim are discomfited by Muslim immigration that they're for it, the way blacks will support their own displacement by Hispanics as long as it displeases whites? Do they think that if Jews had made common cause with the Nazis early on that the Holocaust might have been avoided?

    Do they think that if Jews had made common cause with the Nazis early on that the Holocaust might have been avoided?

    Actually, some Zionist German Jews did make common cause with them, as they shared the view Europe wasn’t the place for Jews to be. This was before the party was taken over by that faggot with the mustache who screwed everything up.

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    Hitler was gay?
    , @Roger
    Sure, a lot of Moslems are antisemitic and anti-Zionist. But a lot of American Jews don't care what 20yo Moslem students are tweeting. It does not affect them. It is much more important to undermine white Christians, because in their view white Christians control America,
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  36. Jake says:

    Anybody who thinks large numbers of Jews – worldwide – are NOT culturally suicidal is out of touch.

    Of course, the same can be said about ethnically pure Germanic Lutherans and ethnically pure Anglicans and Catholic Cardinals (and Vatican officials, including Pope Francis) and those who think they are not culturally suicidal.

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  37. Jake says:
    @Ed
    This might be one way secular Jews are similar to blacks. They both seem to leap upon the latest cultural progressive fads with extreme gusto without little regard to how it effects them or their group members.

    The great difference being that the average Jewish IQ and the average black IQ are far apart.

    High IQ does not save people from being culturally suicidal.

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  38. OT (On Twitter):

    6’5″ Irishman gloats that whites are doomed.

    You mean Boy George?

    Vinnie Fox descends from the Fuchs family of Cincinnati, once the buckle in America’s Lederhosen. And Quesada is the root of quesadilla. Not much corned beef there.

    Our own president, though, is evenly Kraut and Haggis. As was Ethel Merman.

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  39. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Jews aren’t pro-Muslim they’re pro-open borders. They defend Muslims because they’re being threatened with border exclusion. Today it’s restrictions on Muslim migration; tomorrow it may be restrictions on Jewish migration.

    This is a particularly acute concern right now because of Trump, who many Jews think is a crypto-Nazi just waiting for a ‘Reichstag Fire’ incident to go full Hitler on them.

    Border controls can be used to keep people in as well as keep them out.

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  40. Joe Walker says: • Website

    I don’t think that Jews are really pro-Muslim. They just want to get Muslims as far away from Israel as possible. That is why Jews want to get Muslims to migrate to Europe, the United States. Canada and pretty any other country that isn’t Israel.

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  41. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    Do they think that if Jews had made common cause with the Nazis early on that the Holocaust might have been avoided?
     
    Actually, some Zionist German Jews did make common cause with them, as they shared the view Europe wasn't the place for Jews to be. This was before the party was taken over by that faggot with the mustache who screwed everything up.

    Hitler was gay?

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    Hitler was gay?
     
    Nobody knows for sure just what kind of a pervert he was, but pervert (or at least asexual) he certainly was.

    He had his pick of any woman in the Reich, and dies without issue.

    Also, in his day nobody outside Paris used the word "gay" in the corrupted sense you do.
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  42. Ben Kurtz says: • Website

    In my observation, this is far more prevalent among the liberal Jewish denominations than along the traditionalist denominations.

    Traditionalist Jews have paid attention to what’s been happening in Israel for the better part of a century and know that Muslims in large numbers are bad news.

    Liberal Jews are some of the most heavy handed virtue signallers around.

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  43. Joe Walker says: • Website
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    I see it here too. It's weird to me how someone can be a strong Zionist, complain vociferously about the Palestinian Rights march in his neighbourhood, then attack me strongly for wanting to limit immigration.

    I really don’t see the conflict. They just want to get the Muslims away from Israel.

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  44. At root, this just shows the foolishness of letting any middle man minority reach positions of influence in your nation.

    Jewish anti-nationalism–the desire for free movement, forced acceptance of multicultralism, suppression of the natives desire to control their nation–all makes perfect self-interested sense. Jews want to go anywhere to setup shop, have the host society be open and penetrable and be able to rise to the host society’s elite. All completely understandable.

    None of this is, of course, in the least bit in the interest of the host nation. But when you’ve ceded idelogical and cultural ground and influence to the minority, you’ve got trouble.

    In the West, Jewish anti-nationalism and multiculturalism is obviously well well past diminishing returns … even for Jews! But Jews are ideologically locked into their anti-national ideology–which made sense in the Jew v. native struggles of centries past–and just can’t give it up.

    So the entire West is being dragged down in part by the weird psycho-dramas spwaned by this one tiny tribe’s historic separatism–refusal to integrate with their neighbors. It’s effing crazy!

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    So the entire West is being dragged down in part by the weird psycho-dramas spwaned by this one tiny tribe
     
    Are you blaming us for Merkel too? And the Italian navy?
    , @bomag

    At root, this just shows the foolishness of letting any middle man minority reach positions of influence in your nation.
     
    Yikes! We've got the Chinese owning a big chunk our debt and trade; the "Hindoos" have taken over entire industries; Latinos et al are in charge of our demographics; Affirmative Action hands out ever more positions of policy making to those unhappy cohorts.

    "It's dead, Jim."

    , @Dmitry134564
    Rather strange how you guys seem to imagine Jews have some kind of hive-mind. It's a bunch of people with very different views amongst themselves.
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  45. Joe Walker says: • Website
    @Ed
    This might be one way secular Jews are similar to blacks. They both seem to leap upon the latest cultural progressive fads with extreme gusto without little regard to how it effects them or their group members.

    Why do some people find it hard to believe that so-called pro-Muslim Jews just want to get the Muslims as far away from Israel as possible?

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  46. @Harry Baldwin
    My Jewish in-laws are also quick to leap to the defense of Muslims whenever I make a disparaging comment about them. "Not all of them are problem, only a tiny minority," I was scolded. I responded, "Isn't it remarkable that that tiny minority you speak of has been enough to change our whole way of life in the West, from the security at airports and government buildings to the way women are advised to dress and conduct themselves in Muslim-infested European cities?"

    They really seem to think of Muslims as honorary Jews. I don't get it. Is it just because the Goyim are discomfited by Muslim immigration that they're for it, the way blacks will support their own displacement by Hispanics as long as it displeases whites? Do they think that if Jews had made common cause with the Nazis early on that the Holocaust might have been avoided?

    They really seem to think of Muslims as honorary Jews. I don’t get it. Is it just because the Goyim are discomfited by Muslim immigration that they’re for it, the way blacks will support their own displacement by Hispanics as long as it displeases whites?

    I think this analogy is unfair to blacks. The couple of black guys who are friends of mine certainly aren’t in this boat and while not rude about it are generally hostile to the Mexican influx. (The one now living in Phoenix particularly concerned about the long term trend.) Everything I read and hear from actual ordinary blacks coincides with this view–they have no love for the “Hispanic” influx or immigration in general.

    Yes, most of them continue to vote for the Democrats. The Democrats are the big state party with a core plank of their platform being giving things to blacks. You can argue that that blacks aren’t making a smart long term tradeoff there. (And you’d be correct.) But “smart” and “long term thinking” aren’t qualities usually associated with the average black.

    Still most blacks have the correct self-interested view of immigration and aren’t *personally* on board with immigration just to screw whitey. This is unlike this situation with many Jews who are personally invested in jamming diversity down whitey’s throat even if it’s shooting themselves in the foot.

    (Note, I don’t conclude from this that blacks are smarter than Jews. Rather I conclude that Jews have “other issues”.)

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    , @International Jew
    All you (and Steve too) really know about "Jewish opinion" is what you read and hear from those who appear on TV and in the press. But are blacks in those places any less gung-ho on immigration? Of course not. And as for the rank and file, and notwithstanding your several anecdotes, there are a lot more Republican, even dissident right, Jews than there are blacks. And, I'll venture, a lot more iSteve readers.

    Which raises the question: what is your problem, really?

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  47. Jake says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    My Jewish in-laws are also quick to leap to the defense of Muslims whenever I make a disparaging comment about them. "Not all of them are problem, only a tiny minority," I was scolded. I responded, "Isn't it remarkable that that tiny minority you speak of has been enough to change our whole way of life in the West, from the security at airports and government buildings to the way women are advised to dress and conduct themselves in Muslim-infested European cities?"

    They really seem to think of Muslims as honorary Jews. I don't get it. Is it just because the Goyim are discomfited by Muslim immigration that they're for it, the way blacks will support their own displacement by Hispanics as long as it displeases whites? Do they think that if Jews had made common cause with the Nazis early on that the Holocaust might have been avoided?

    It makes sense only 1 way, especially when you factor in the high average Jewish IQ. That one way is that historic Christian theology is true.

    Inn that case, then there is the fact that the entire Jewish reason for being was to be the people who would shelter revealed religion until the Incarnation, until Christ. if that is you reason for being, and you reject the Messias in order to follow a religion of racial focus, then you will do major psychological and spiritual damage to yourself. And that will lead your people, century after century, in country after country, to make it big, and destroy your people slowly in so doing.

    Jews will keep repeating that tragic trajectory until either most of them convert or else the Second Coming ends their chances to repent.

    Jews getting super filthy rich and unbelievably powerful after Hitler is Satan’s best tool for keeping them in the camp of anti-Christ. Jews now romanticizing Moslems, determined to flood the entire Western world with Moslems, is Satan’s best joke in some time.

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    Inn that case, then there is the fact that the entire Jewish reason for being was to be the people who would shelter revealed religion until the Incarnation, until Christ. if that is you reason for being, and you reject the Messias in order to follow a religion of racial focus, then you will do major psychological and spiritual damage to yourself. And that will lead your people, century after century, in country after country, to make it big, and destroy your people slowly in so doing..
     
    I was agnostic for a very long time. In many ways, I had to rebuild Christianity brick by brick for myself.

    In some sort of cosmic joke (at least it feels to me), the most sensible explanation of Jewish behavior over the centuries is in fact the historical Christian one, which you have beautifully outlined here.
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  48. bomag says:

    Maybe Abraham’s people are trending Christian: turn the other cheek; help the Samaritan; if a man takes you coat, give him also your cloak; etc.

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  49. @AnotherDad
    At root, this just shows the foolishness of letting any middle man minority reach positions of influence in your nation.

    Jewish anti-nationalism--the desire for free movement, forced acceptance of multicultralism, suppression of the natives desire to control their nation--all makes perfect self-interested sense. Jews want to go anywhere to setup shop, have the host society be open and penetrable and be able to rise to the host society's elite. All completely understandable.

    None of this is, of course, in the least bit in the interest of the host nation. But when you've ceded idelogical and cultural ground and influence to the minority, you've got trouble.

    In the West, Jewish anti-nationalism and multiculturalism is obviously well well past diminishing returns ... even for Jews! But Jews are ideologically locked into their anti-national ideology--which made sense in the Jew v. native struggles of centries past--and just can't give it up.

    So the entire West is being dragged down in part by the weird psycho-dramas spwaned by this one tiny tribe's historic separatism--refusal to integrate with their neighbors. It's effing crazy!

    So the entire West is being dragged down in part by the weird psycho-dramas spwaned by this one tiny tribe

    Are you blaming us for Merkel too? And the Italian navy?

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    Yes.
    , @Maj. Kong
    Your community has moral weight, and this weight is being thrown around to support the invasion of our lands. None of the major Jewish organizations have called for an immigration moratorium, but almost all of them have called for censorship.

    If a Rothschild (who runs the World Jewish Congress) called for stopping immigration, and importing PM Netanyahu's policies to raise the birth rate for native European Christians, then it would assuage our concerns.

    But instead we get things like this:

    http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/09/01/polands-lack-concern-rising-anti-semitism-draws-warning-jewish-congress/#disqus_thread
    , @Lot

    Are you blaming us for Merkel too?
     
    Jews can't stop Germany and Sweden from funding Hamas-controlled Gaza, trading with Iran, and boycotting Israeli products, but can force them to import a million Arabs.

    Jews had so little influence in the USA they could not get us to admit their co-ethnics fleeing for their lives during WWII, but had so much influence they got the USA into WWII. (You say it was Japan that bombed Pearl Harbor and Germany that declared war on the USA? But that was all part of Roosevjew's plan!)

    Jews had so little influence in 1956 they could not get the USA to join Israel, UK and France to occupy and reopen the Suez Canal, but so much influence in 1965 that they got Congress to pass the Immigration and Nationality Act by 76-18 in the Senate and 320-70 in the House*)

    (*All 10 Congressmen and six senators from Kansas, Montana, and Nebraska voted for the 1965 bill. Jews were especially powerful there in the mid 1960's. Congressman Cellar just had to snap his fingers.)

    , @hyperbola
    Well, remember that young Angela Merkel was a protege of Lord Weidenfeld, the head of the British Zionist Federation.

    Angela Merkel Is A Zionist Sock Puppet
    http://www.blacklistednews.com/Angela_Merkel_Is_A_Zionist_Sock_Puppet/33673/0/5/5/Y/M.html
    , @AnotherDad


    So the entire West is being dragged down in part by the weird psycho-dramas spwaned by this one tiny tribe

     

    Are you blaming us for Merkel too? And the Italian navy?
     
    Perhaps you missed the "in part" part.

    For Merkel i'd put a couple of my list of causes up top:
    -- Feminism, female empowerment, misplaced nurturing instinct.
    -- Christian (heretical) hyper-altruism
    -- Post-Christian virtue signaling.
    -- Hitler, German post-war guilt, apologetics and make-nice

    But Jews have had--through Hollywood and academic/cultural leadership in the US, which clearly took western leadership post-war--tremendous influence on the ambient ideology in the West. Including the whole "lessons of World War II" thing. (My main lesson would be "don't invade other nations" and "borders are good--good fences make good neighbors." Instead of "tolerance", "we're all the same under the skin" and "borderless world".)
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  50. Actress Mayim Bialik said she would register as a Muslim so that she could appear on Trump’s non-existent Muslim ban list. This bizarre hysteria is not just confined to Jews, much of Antifa is made up of non-Jewish Whites who want to obliterate the civilization their ancestors likely built and participated in. I simply can’t wrap my head around such nonsense, is there a term that best describes this? Is it some cult suicide pact?

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    "I simply can’t wrap my head around such nonsense, is there a term that best describes this? Is it some cult suicide pact?"

    When a formal, explicit religion declines, the God-shaped hole is filled by all sorts of things. A day or two back someone posted on twitter (thought it was hbdchick but can't find it there) a link to research showing that politics now divides people much more than religion. I'd argue that for the non-religious, politics is a substitute for religion.

    White SJWs are the Flagellants of the Current Year, but those in charge of the megaphone make sure their energies are directed against the 'right' enemy. People have to have something to hate, and if the "natural" hate objects are verboten, they'll hate what they're told to hate. Orwell knew that of which he wrote.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellant#In_Italy

    , @Jake
    Cultural suicide is the best phrase.

    I say it is a given from the West having having rebelled against Christendom, and has its ethnic foundation in Germanic Gotterdammerung.
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  51. > because it is so clearly counter to Jewish interests

    Self-sacrifice is the noblest form of altruism–suicidal is the new cool. Razib Khan once posited that Reform Judaism is converging with US upper-class Christianity, that’s a mixed blessing.

    > Are European Jews as pro-Muslim as American Jews have become?

    German Jewish functionaries and reformed Synagogues are as progressive as can be, French, Belgian, and Spanish Jews have become less enthusiastic as of late, Turkish and Kurdish anti-Semites are not as rabid as Arab ones.

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    Turkey and Israel have had historically good relations, and there is a presence of Jews in Turkey that exists in none of the Arab countries. It was the Ottoman Empire itself that initially welcomed the Zionist immigrants to 19th Century Palestine.
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  52. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Simon in London
    I see it here too. It's weird to me how someone can be a strong Zionist, complain vociferously about the Palestinian Rights march in his neighbourhood, then attack me strongly for wanting to limit immigration.

    I see it here too. It’s weird to me how someone can be a strong Zionist, complain vociferously about the Palestinian Rights march in his neighbourhood, then attack me strongly for wanting to limit immigration.

    Maybe it’s a way to make up for their support of Israel with regards to the Palestinians.

    I recall during the Kosovo campaign in 1999, when we bombed the Christian Serbs, the biggest supporters of this policy were the neocons. Some even threatened to abandon the republican party unless the GOP got on board. I recalled thinking it was odd they would side with muslims over a land dispute with Christians. But then I remember thinking that support of that policy might have been a way to mollify muslims who have always complained that the USA is one-sided in its support of Israel.

    So by siding with the muslims in Kosovo, they could show the muslim world that they were not biased against muslims despite their strong support of Israel. And to demonstrate this, they were willing to carve off a piece of a Christian nation to create a brand new muslim one.

    Maybe this too is a way for the zionists you mention to signal to the muslims that their support of Israel is in no way to be taken as dislike for muslims. And to prove it, they are willing to welcome the demographic transformation of the West by the muslim world.

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    Exactly. Perhaps the strongest and most vocal promoter of the U.S./NATO attacks on Serbia in support of the causes of Muslim Bosnia and Muslim Kosovo among leading U.S. politicians at the time, was the Hungarian Jewish-origin congressman Tom Lantos (who has since croaked - unfortunately in peace, rather than hanging from a gallows). This disgusting Zionist openly stated, at one point, that the U.S./NATO attack against the Serbs was being done to demonstrate to the Muslim world that the West does not always side against Muslims - i.e., sacrificing a small, traditionally pro-Russian and Orthodox Christian European nation by ACTIVELY ATTACKING THEM IN A PREMEDITATED MANNER, in order to gain some temporary plaudits from Muslims and deflect Muslim anger away from the U.S. and Israel.

    Note that the same Serbs had put up one of the hardest fights against the German Nazi troops in WWII, and had saved many Jews from the Nazis.

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  53. @Harry Baldwin
    My Jewish in-laws are also quick to leap to the defense of Muslims whenever I make a disparaging comment about them. "Not all of them are problem, only a tiny minority," I was scolded. I responded, "Isn't it remarkable that that tiny minority you speak of has been enough to change our whole way of life in the West, from the security at airports and government buildings to the way women are advised to dress and conduct themselves in Muslim-infested European cities?"

    They really seem to think of Muslims as honorary Jews. I don't get it. Is it just because the Goyim are discomfited by Muslim immigration that they're for it, the way blacks will support their own displacement by Hispanics as long as it displeases whites? Do they think that if Jews had made common cause with the Nazis early on that the Holocaust might have been avoided?

    Lots of Jews (aka Communists) did make common cause with Hitler early on. I guess Stalin wasn’t a reliable Rebbe, so it didn’t work too well.

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  54. Because they are ignorant of history and reality. They think that they will be able to assimilate like earlier immigrants and they identify with the underdog.

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  55. @AnotherDad

    They really seem to think of Muslims as honorary Jews. I don’t get it. Is it just because the Goyim are discomfited by Muslim immigration that they’re for it, the way blacks will support their own displacement by Hispanics as long as it displeases whites?
     
    I think this analogy is unfair to blacks. The couple of black guys who are friends of mine certainly aren't in this boat and while not rude about it are generally hostile to the Mexican influx. (The one now living in Phoenix particularly concerned about the long term trend.) Everything I read and hear from actual ordinary blacks coincides with this view--they have no love for the "Hispanic" influx or immigration in general.

    Yes, most of them continue to vote for the Democrats. The Democrats are the big state party with a core plank of their platform being giving things to blacks. You can argue that that blacks aren't making a smart long term tradeoff there. (And you'd be correct.) But "smart" and "long term thinking" aren't qualities usually associated with the average black.

    Still most blacks have the correct self-interested view of immigration and aren't *personally* on board with immigration just to screw whitey. This is unlike this situation with many Jews who are personally invested in jamming diversity down whitey's throat even if it's shooting themselves in the foot.

    (Note, I don't conclude from this that blacks are smarter than Jews. Rather I conclude that Jews have "other issues".)

    It seems the displacement by murder and threat of murder of Blacks by Mexicans is one of the great underreported stories of the past twenty (?) years.

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  56. bomag says:
    @AnotherDad
    At root, this just shows the foolishness of letting any middle man minority reach positions of influence in your nation.

    Jewish anti-nationalism--the desire for free movement, forced acceptance of multicultralism, suppression of the natives desire to control their nation--all makes perfect self-interested sense. Jews want to go anywhere to setup shop, have the host society be open and penetrable and be able to rise to the host society's elite. All completely understandable.

    None of this is, of course, in the least bit in the interest of the host nation. But when you've ceded idelogical and cultural ground and influence to the minority, you've got trouble.

    In the West, Jewish anti-nationalism and multiculturalism is obviously well well past diminishing returns ... even for Jews! But Jews are ideologically locked into their anti-national ideology--which made sense in the Jew v. native struggles of centries past--and just can't give it up.

    So the entire West is being dragged down in part by the weird psycho-dramas spwaned by this one tiny tribe's historic separatism--refusal to integrate with their neighbors. It's effing crazy!

    At root, this just shows the foolishness of letting any middle man minority reach positions of influence in your nation.

    Yikes! We’ve got the Chinese owning a big chunk our debt and trade; the “Hindoos” have taken over entire industries; Latinos et al are in charge of our demographics; Affirmative Action hands out ever more positions of policy making to those unhappy cohorts.

    “It’s dead, Jim.”

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  57. Rod1963 says:

    Whatever hurts the whites, they are for.

    BUT this is not a Jewish thing though. It’s a Lefty thing. You’ll find Lefty whites fully embracing it, no questions asked. You find the same mentality among gays,lesbians, trannies, feminists, the Hollywood set, large segments of academia, the “good whites”, the beltway crowd, Wall Street, etc.

    For some they see Muslims as a way of crushing whites and the existing order, some see them as a way to leverage themselves into more power, others use them to dissolve the state so it can become part of the new global order.

    Point is lots on the Left support Islam for different reasons. Some aren’t even on the Left like globalists who want it for their own reasons.

    If we just focus on the tribe we take our eyes off all the other players in this. We can’t afford to.

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    If we just focus on the tribe we take our eyes off all the other players in this. We can’t afford to.
     
    Yes, you are right, of course. But as Maj. Kong points out somewhere in this thread the small end of the anti-white megaphone often has a Jewish voice amplified by money and influence, and driven by animosity. OTOH we have Stephen Miller, and others, on our side.

    So my conclusion is the enemy is the Left. And the only way the Left wins is through the immigration invasion.
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  58. @AnotherDad

    They really seem to think of Muslims as honorary Jews. I don’t get it. Is it just because the Goyim are discomfited by Muslim immigration that they’re for it, the way blacks will support their own displacement by Hispanics as long as it displeases whites?
     
    I think this analogy is unfair to blacks. The couple of black guys who are friends of mine certainly aren't in this boat and while not rude about it are generally hostile to the Mexican influx. (The one now living in Phoenix particularly concerned about the long term trend.) Everything I read and hear from actual ordinary blacks coincides with this view--they have no love for the "Hispanic" influx or immigration in general.

    Yes, most of them continue to vote for the Democrats. The Democrats are the big state party with a core plank of their platform being giving things to blacks. You can argue that that blacks aren't making a smart long term tradeoff there. (And you'd be correct.) But "smart" and "long term thinking" aren't qualities usually associated with the average black.

    Still most blacks have the correct self-interested view of immigration and aren't *personally* on board with immigration just to screw whitey. This is unlike this situation with many Jews who are personally invested in jamming diversity down whitey's throat even if it's shooting themselves in the foot.

    (Note, I don't conclude from this that blacks are smarter than Jews. Rather I conclude that Jews have "other issues".)

    All you (and Steve too) really know about “Jewish opinion” is what you read and hear from those who appear on TV and in the press. But are blacks in those places any less gung-ho on immigration? Of course not. And as for the rank and file, and notwithstanding your several anecdotes, there are a lot more Republican, even dissident right, Jews than there are blacks. And, I’ll venture, a lot more iSteve readers.

    Which raises the question: what is your problem, really?

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    Which raises the question: what is your problem, really?
     
    I'm waiting to hear why Jews who see this material repeatedly can't stop reacting to it, even in it's most mildest and non-judgement forms.

    You don't have to be Jewish, especially in America. Convert to Christianity or don't. If you want to retain a Jewish id, fine, but accept what goes with it, just like I don't kvetch about the thoroughly American past time of anti-Catholic comments.

    What is your problem, really, when it comes down to it?
    , @Damigo
    "What's the problem, fellow white person?"

    "We're your greatest ally, fellow white person!"

    "Let's agree - as fellow white people - that Jews are not the problem!"

    Sorry, but the goyim know.

    , @Dmitry134564
    I guess the problem is with the other journalists who work at the NYT and Washington Post, or the activists at the ADL and such people, although he seems to have rather an over-estimation of their power - they more like weather-vanes than actual opinion-shapers.

    I would say the majority of Jews who support Israel, are very aware of what the majority of Muslims think of them - it's everywhere on social media and other platforms, let alone the actual events on the ground. That doesn't mean they don't also support attempts at outreach (even I as a very right-wing person, would support attempts to moderate the Muslim population).
    , @AnotherDad

    Which raises the question: what is your problem, really?
     
    My problem? Jewish--what i'd call--"minoritarianism". Which as I've noted in several different comments is only one of five or six causes of the crisis in the West, but it's definitely the main driver of the ideological side of the crisis.

    (To give a name to the other causes: feminism/female empowerment; cheap-laborism; decline of Christianity and the new secular virtue signaling; Christian hyper love-they-neighborism; Purtian impulse city-on-a-hill utopianism. And underneath all, white gentile altruism and cooperation making us saps.)


    And as for the rank and file, and notwithstanding your several anecdotes, there are a lot more Republican, even dissident right, Jews than there are blacks. And, I’ll venture, a lot more iSteve readers.
     
    This is obviously true. There are even more--because there are a few, like Kaus and Miller--publicly prominent immigration dissident Jews. (In fairness i'd put Sowell down as a black public immigration dissident.)

    But this isn't what I wrote. What I wrote about was clearly and specifically about *personal* attitudes on immigration, not about political identification. (We all know blacks are even more Democratic leaning than even Jews.)

    I tried a quick search to come up with something on immigration attitudes from Pew, but quickly turned into a slog. I'll try when have extra cycles later.

    Here's my rough hunch about the numbers:
    Party affiliation D/R: Jews 70-30, blacks 90-10
    Immigration support: Jews 60-40 blacks 10-90
    Immigration enthusiast: Jews 30% blacks 1%

    Could be wrong. Someone else pulls up some good numbers from Pew or elsewhere--great. But the point is that blacks are not personally immigration supporters, despite supporting the Democrats. This is not news. (Blacks are quite rightly one of the most immigration skeptical groups.)

    But are blacks in those places any less gung-ho on immigration? Of course not.
     
    Disagree. Elite blacks mostly toe the party line, but even from standard issue Democratic party blacks you'll get occasional little nuggets of skepticism ("too much", "undermining wages", etc.) Mostly blacks are not very interested. If in an alternative universe where the Democratic party wasn't ideologically driven by Jews, but rather actually interested in poor and working class uplift, and it and the nation had adopted Barbara Jordan's immigration clampdown, then elite black commentators would be giving that policy their stamp of approval. Immigration just isn't something that's front and center with blacks--other than when they have some personally negative interaction with Mexicans or feel immigrants are "cutting in line".

    What you never get from elite blacks is the kind of crazy emoting on immigration like Brett Stephens keeps teeing up for Steve. And Brett Stephens is--unfortunately--not alone. Jew after Jew after Jew steps up to the pulpit to hector us natives about how much we suck and how immigration is rejuvenating the joint. We gentiles aren't supposed to notice?

    I'm aware that these elite commentator attitudes do not reflect the full spectrum of Jewish opinion. That's obvious from the commenters here including yourself. But Jay Fink and some other Jewish guys are point out that yes, there is a lot of outright immigration craziness among random friends and family as well.

    In any case, my point wasn't about Jews, it was about blacks. They are solid Democratic party voters and "racism!" believers, but they simply do not share the Jews'--or even generic Democratic voter--immigration enthusiasm. They are generally immigration skeptic.
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  59. JohnnyD says:

    I don’t think Muslims were much of an issue in American political life until the 2010s, hence the sudden Islamophilia among prominent Jewish liberals.

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  60. AM says:
    @International Jew
    All you (and Steve too) really know about "Jewish opinion" is what you read and hear from those who appear on TV and in the press. But are blacks in those places any less gung-ho on immigration? Of course not. And as for the rank and file, and notwithstanding your several anecdotes, there are a lot more Republican, even dissident right, Jews than there are blacks. And, I'll venture, a lot more iSteve readers.

    Which raises the question: what is your problem, really?

    Which raises the question: what is your problem, really?

    I’m waiting to hear why Jews who see this material repeatedly can’t stop reacting to it, even in it’s most mildest and non-judgement forms.

    You don’t have to be Jewish, especially in America. Convert to Christianity or don’t. If you want to retain a Jewish id, fine, but accept what goes with it, just like I don’t kvetch about the thoroughly American past time of anti-Catholic comments.

    What is your problem, really, when it comes down to it?

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  61. Yak-15 says:

    The question always to be asked about immigration, muslim or otherwise, is what is the upside? What great things have Muslims accomplished? What important roles in society do they play and how have they made that society better?

    That question is never addressed. How is England, France, etc better because of Islamic immigration?

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  62. biz says:
    @Simon in London
    I see it here too. It's weird to me how someone can be a strong Zionist, complain vociferously about the Palestinian Rights march in his neighbourhood, then attack me strongly for wanting to limit immigration.

    Is it weird because it never actually happened?

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  63. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    It’s amazing how this tiny minority (Jews, not Muslims) has total capture of American public discourse.

    We must import Muslims on pain of recommitting the Holocaust. (Anne Frank Center, etc., etc.,)

    We must ban Muslims because they’re rabid anti-Israel anti-Semites. (The David Horowitz/Pamela Geller style.)

    And for Gentiles too these are also the only possible modes of expression.

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    Insightful comment.

    Frankly, I'm just so bored of having to hear about Jews all the time.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A13vj5vdlCU
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  64. AM says:

    Self-sacrifice is the noblest form of altruism–suicidal is the new cool

    .

    This isn’t self-sacrifice, though. This is narcissism, because the people who advocate importing and hugging Muslims really don’t expect that they’ll have to sacrifice for this. They just have to be their awesome selves and they will be loved for it.

    Jews in Europe “get” the huggies don’t work on a very personal level. They can’t afford the narcissism conditions in the West have created.

    I know that the alt-right likes the diagnosis of pathological altruism, but I think it’s essentially the wrong one. The reason why the invoking the pearl-clutching reaction works to change things is that narcissism is about an addiction to feeling good about oneself. Self image is everything. You might be able to reason with a pathological altruist, who might be into actual self-sacrifice in a masochist way. Narcissists don’t do self-sacrifice.

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    Self-congratulation as a basis for social policy. Feeling good about oneself and looking good to the others in one's circle is more important than doing good. Also, affluent people aren't concerned about a family of Syrian rapefugees moving in their neighborhood.

    I once remarked to a Jewish friend that one of the reasons why Jews were liberal was because they tended to be affluent, so they could escape the consequences of their purported idealism. She agreed with me.
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  65. notanon says:

    there’s quotes from various rabbi types saying Muslim immigration will stop the steady Euro drift to banning kosher animal slaughter and circumcision

    and others along the lines of “this will drive Jews to Israel”

    and others along the lines of revenge on Euros

    but i think most of it is the usual compulsion to “make the majority into a minority and we’ll be safer” made hysterical by the lurking fear/knowledge that Muslim immigration will literally blow up in their faces.

    my analogy would be a horror movie where there are strange sounds behind a door but the victim has a compulsion to open it anyway so they’re a bit hyper

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  66. Damigo says:
    @International Jew
    All you (and Steve too) really know about "Jewish opinion" is what you read and hear from those who appear on TV and in the press. But are blacks in those places any less gung-ho on immigration? Of course not. And as for the rank and file, and notwithstanding your several anecdotes, there are a lot more Republican, even dissident right, Jews than there are blacks. And, I'll venture, a lot more iSteve readers.

    Which raises the question: what is your problem, really?

    “What’s the problem, fellow white person?”

    “We’re your greatest ally, fellow white person!”

    “Let’s agree – as fellow white people – that Jews are not the problem!”

    Sorry, but the goyim know.

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  67. Damigo says:
    @International Jew

    So the entire West is being dragged down in part by the weird psycho-dramas spwaned by this one tiny tribe
     
    Are you blaming us for Merkel too? And the Italian navy?

    Yes.

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  68. Maj. Kong says:
    @theo the kraut
    > because it is so clearly counter to Jewish interests

    Self-sacrifice is the noblest form of altruism--suicidal is the new cool. Razib Khan once posited that Reform Judaism is converging with US upper-class Christianity, that's a mixed blessing.

    > Are European Jews as pro-Muslim as American Jews have become?

    German Jewish functionaries and reformed Synagogues are as progressive as can be, French, Belgian, and Spanish Jews have become less enthusiastic as of late, Turkish and Kurdish anti-Semites are not as rabid as Arab ones.

    Turkey and Israel have had historically good relations, and there is a presence of Jews in Turkey that exists in none of the Arab countries. It was the Ottoman Empire itself that initially welcomed the Zionist immigrants to 19th Century Palestine.

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  69. 1/ Why the surprise? As I mentioned before, look at all the American Whites who are working very hard to ensure that Whites become a minority in America, lose whatever position Whites have in America, etc.

    Look at all the White Europeans, etc…

    All mentioned right here on this blog.

    2/ And as for Reform temples, a lot of their congregants are married to non-Jews. Why would a Jew married to a non-Jew care about Jews continuing on?

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    As I mentioned before, look at all the American Whites who are working very hard to ensure that Whites become a minority in America, lose whatever position Whites have in America, etc.
     
    That's a minority amongst white people (though a majority of the GOP Congress), and is the product of two decades of indoctrination while being marinated in degenerative popular culture.

    There are a few easy things that would reverse that trend:

    -End federal student loans
    -Ban discrimination for political ideology
    -Affirmative action for right-wing professors
    -Affimative action for whites in states, cities where they are the minority
    -Move to digitial education, reduce numbers of unionized teachers
    -End subsidies to the film industry
    -Pass no further extensions of copyright

    Most of these positions are probably well-supported by the electoral masses, but lack support by the donor class and their political pets.
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  70. Mark Caplan says: • Website
    @Harry Baldwin
    My Jewish in-laws are also quick to leap to the defense of Muslims whenever I make a disparaging comment about them. "Not all of them are problem, only a tiny minority," I was scolded. I responded, "Isn't it remarkable that that tiny minority you speak of has been enough to change our whole way of life in the West, from the security at airports and government buildings to the way women are advised to dress and conduct themselves in Muslim-infested European cities?"

    They really seem to think of Muslims as honorary Jews. I don't get it. Is it just because the Goyim are discomfited by Muslim immigration that they're for it, the way blacks will support their own displacement by Hispanics as long as it displeases whites? Do they think that if Jews had made common cause with the Nazis early on that the Holocaust might have been avoided?

    if the Jews had made common cause with the Nazis early on

    Zionists (Jewish ultra-nationalists) did in fact make common cause with some Nazis, but Hitler’s deranged belief in a Masonic- British-Bolshivik-Jewish international conspiracy put the kibosh on any Nazi alliance with Zionists.

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  71. Maj. Kong says:
    @International Jew

    So the entire West is being dragged down in part by the weird psycho-dramas spwaned by this one tiny tribe
     
    Are you blaming us for Merkel too? And the Italian navy?

    Your community has moral weight, and this weight is being thrown around to support the invasion of our lands. None of the major Jewish organizations have called for an immigration moratorium, but almost all of them have called for censorship.

    If a Rothschild (who runs the World Jewish Congress) called for stopping immigration, and importing PM Netanyahu’s policies to raise the birth rate for native European Christians, then it would assuage our concerns.

    But instead we get things like this:

    http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/09/01/polands-lack-concern-rising-anti-semitism-draws-warning-jewish-congress/#disqus_thread

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    Your community has moral weight, and this weight is being thrown around to support the invasion of our lands. None of the major Jewish organizations have called for an immigration moratorium, but almost all of them have called for censorship.

    If a Rothschild (who runs the World Jewish Congress) called for stopping immigration, and importing PM Netanyahu’s policies to raise the birth rate for native European Christians, then it would assuage our concerns.
     
    David Rothschild is Chairman of the Governing Board. The actual President of the World Jewish Congress is Ronald S. Lauder.

    Mr Lauder made a foray into US politics when he lost the Republican primary to Rudy Giuliani for Mayor of New York. He reportedly ran to Giuliani's right and failed, perhaps unsurprisingly.

    Ignoring that, he is also lifelong friends with Donald Trump. They studied together at Wharton. They have known each other ever since and Lauder has spoken out in not only Trump's defence but also in the defence of whomever Trump would choose to employ. That includes Bannon et al.

    The World Jewish Congress is a body formed by Jews to assist Jews. It was created in 1936, and subsequent events have more than justified its existence and historical mission.

    To summarise: the WJC's President has spoken out in favour of Trump while the WJC restricts itself to advocating for Jews. This is as much as an American immigration-restrictionist can reasonably expect from that organisation.
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  72. Thea says:

    Does what’s being taught in reform synagogues resemble Judaism?

    Anyhow, I thought Jewish preference for Muslims was established centuries ago in post-Reconquista Spain?

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  73. The answer is really quite simple. Israel Shamir has it right – many Jews view Islam as a weapon to use against Christianity. Hatred of Christianity is a defining feature of modern Judaism. And it isn’t exclusive to a liberal Jews either. Christians who have gone to Israel have told me that they have witnessed yarmulked Jews spitting upon passing a Christian church. Our foreign policy can be viewed through this lens as well. Conservative, Christian Russia being our worst enemy; working to overthrow the Christian-tolerant Assad regime with the Christian-intolerant rebels, etc..

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    The Apostle Paul noted this so I wouldn't call it modern.

    But why do our leaders allow this? Do The Jews have special brainwashing powers?

    It's possible to be Christian and not worship Israel. Yet most evangelicals do.

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  74. Maj. Kong says:
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    1/ Why the surprise? As I mentioned before, look at all the American Whites who are working very hard to ensure that Whites become a minority in America, lose whatever position Whites have in America, etc.

    Look at all the White Europeans, etc...

    All mentioned right here on this blog.

    2/ And as for Reform temples, a lot of their congregants are married to non-Jews. Why would a Jew married to a non-Jew care about Jews continuing on?

    As I mentioned before, look at all the American Whites who are working very hard to ensure that Whites become a minority in America, lose whatever position Whites have in America, etc.

    That’s a minority amongst white people (though a majority of the GOP Congress), and is the product of two decades of indoctrination while being marinated in degenerative popular culture.

    There are a few easy things that would reverse that trend:

    -End federal student loans
    -Ban discrimination for political ideology
    -Affirmative action for right-wing professors
    -Affimative action for whites in states, cities where they are the minority
    -Move to digitial education, reduce numbers of unionized teachers
    -End subsidies to the film industry
    -Pass no further extensions of copyright

    Most of these positions are probably well-supported by the electoral masses, but lack support by the donor class and their political pets.

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  75. Whiskey says: • Website

    Again over analyzing things. Duh, Liberal Jews are: urban, wealthy, feminist, upper class. ANY one of these is all about Muslims and Blacks being social signifiers against being lower class.

    THIS IS A CLASS WARFARE PHENOM. And one at core driven by FEAR that an Upper Class person could be taken for a lower class one, or WORSE, fall into the LOWER CLASS.

    That in a nutshell is Liberal Jewish behavior. The way Blacks first jumped onto massive illegitimacy, according to Charles Murray in “Coming Apart, the State of White America 1960-2010″ — Whites in 1960 had a 4% illegitimacy rate across the board, while Blacks had 34%. In 2010, only Upper Class Whites had that low rate, while the White Working Class had a 40% rate and the Middle Class had 20% rates. Blacks of course have a 77% rate nationwide and 95% in the urban core aka Ghetto.

    Blacks for a variety of reasons had little resistance to modernity’s pull of illegitimacy and while Whites had more only Upper Class people had enough money and status at stake to keep illegitimacy low.

    Duh if you are an urban, professional, upper class White there is little to keep you from falling into the middle or even working class. One firing and unpersoning makes an Upper Class professional just another Dirt Person to quote Z-Man. Unlike old line aristocrats who had a lengthy family pedigree and landed estates to make their class clear, with added distinctive dress and manners unavailable to other classes, what distinguishes say a Jewish sitcom writer from “The Big Bang Theory” from say, a redneck business owner with a good income? Dress? Nope t-shirts and shorts. Cars? Nope they’ll both drive commodity BMWs or Mercedes. Accent? Where they live? Nope.

    So pushing Muslims marks them as Upper Class. Never so gauche as to be even present at some low paid San Bernandino government job where a Christmas Party sparks a Muslim massacre. Its an urban, upper class, feminist (women love love love the idea of violent abusive men using violence to make them submit — see Fifty Shades of Grey) marker.

    Of course, as Blacks and Muslims rapidly push Jews out of Hollywood, Banking, Law, Government etc. this will end rapidly but that’s going to be too late.

    [FWIW all the ladies at my massively female-gay dominated office can't get enough of Muslims. Even though they'll be in burquas they'll be dominated by Muslim men so they get that.]

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  76. Jewesses’ strident Islamophilia brings to mind the pants factory owner’s Leftist-cause-du jour wife in John Kennedy Toole’s A Confederacy Of Dunces.

    Plus ça change, plus c’est la meme chose.

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  77. Roger says:

    If Jews are just pursuing their group interests, then their only serious rivals are white Christians. So they will do anything to boost the interests of Jews, and undermine white Christians. Importing Muslims is the best thing that they can do to undermine white Christians.

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    Not really. A large proportion of the antisemites (or at least individuals that are harrassing Zionist groups on college campuses) listed on Canary Mission are Muslim.
    https://canarymission.org/individuals/
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  78. @Omepraaz de Gangnola
    Sounds similar to American Evangelicals' unrequited love of Jews.

    Wrong. American Evangelicals love Israel, not Jews.

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    Haven't you heard? Their boss is a Jewish carpenter.

    If you haven't they'll make sure to tell you.
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  79. @Anonymous
    "I’m therefore tempted to put it down to feminine solipsism and feelings but it also ties directly into progressivism more generally, and signalling on this issue is particularly virtuous for Jews because it is so clearly counter to Jewish interests. "

    -Maybe. Or perhaps appearing foolishly virtuous in publicly supporting Muslims is a small price to pay for quietly transferring the Muslims' rage at Israel onto the US and Europe. Indeed, it may be key- people tend to believe it when you appear to do something against your best interests.

    It’s still part of the same plan of dispossessing Christian gentiles. That a few Jews happen to get slaughtered in the process, well whaddaya whaddaya.

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  80. Enemies need to be bought, old friends can be sold. Not all Jews, of course, but yes, the leadership liberal US Jews.

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  81. Busby says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Not virtue signaling. More like the Wagstaff Rule…
     
    Any relation to Richard Wagstaff Clark?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Clark

    Professor Quincy Adams Wagstaff of Huxley College.

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  82. Art says:

    The Jews are protecting the brand. It is just another step in identity politics.

    Using people they do not like is no problem. Jews look down on blacks and still use them for political gain.

    In due time the Arabs will have to come to the Jews to get media attention. Of course the Arabs will have to say the “RIGHT” things.

    Its win win – more minorities and speech control.

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  83. Rather a silly piece which is based on a couple of personal anecdotes. It might well be true, but you need some kind of survey to support this, otherwise it is just village anecdotes.

    I personally have not seen any evidence of it – in my life, I don’t know any Jews who aren’t aware that Israel is at war with political Islam, and that the majority of antisemitic attacks in the world are conducted by Muslims.

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  85. @AnotherDad
    At root, this just shows the foolishness of letting any middle man minority reach positions of influence in your nation.

    Jewish anti-nationalism--the desire for free movement, forced acceptance of multicultralism, suppression of the natives desire to control their nation--all makes perfect self-interested sense. Jews want to go anywhere to setup shop, have the host society be open and penetrable and be able to rise to the host society's elite. All completely understandable.

    None of this is, of course, in the least bit in the interest of the host nation. But when you've ceded idelogical and cultural ground and influence to the minority, you've got trouble.

    In the West, Jewish anti-nationalism and multiculturalism is obviously well well past diminishing returns ... even for Jews! But Jews are ideologically locked into their anti-national ideology--which made sense in the Jew v. native struggles of centries past--and just can't give it up.

    So the entire West is being dragged down in part by the weird psycho-dramas spwaned by this one tiny tribe's historic separatism--refusal to integrate with their neighbors. It's effing crazy!

    Rather strange how you guys seem to imagine Jews have some kind of hive-mind. It’s a bunch of people with very different views amongst themselves.

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    No hive mind necessary.

    It does seem that a great many Jews are, figuratively speaking, "allergic" to Christianity, and are indeed prejudiced against white Christians. It gets mentioned frequently around these parts that Jews outmarry at a very high rate. Be that as it may, I'd be willing to bet that in nine out of ten cases where one partner converts to the other's religion, it's the Christian who has to do so.
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  86. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    American Jews are still fighting the last war, with the gentiles.
    European Jews are already fighting the next war, with the Muslims.

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  87. @International Jew
    All you (and Steve too) really know about "Jewish opinion" is what you read and hear from those who appear on TV and in the press. But are blacks in those places any less gung-ho on immigration? Of course not. And as for the rank and file, and notwithstanding your several anecdotes, there are a lot more Republican, even dissident right, Jews than there are blacks. And, I'll venture, a lot more iSteve readers.

    Which raises the question: what is your problem, really?

    I guess the problem is with the other journalists who work at the NYT and Washington Post, or the activists at the ADL and such people, although he seems to have rather an over-estimation of their power – they more like weather-vanes than actual opinion-shapers.

    I would say the majority of Jews who support Israel, are very aware of what the majority of Muslims think of them – it’s everywhere on social media and other platforms, let alone the actual events on the ground. That doesn’t mean they don’t also support attempts at outreach (even I as a very right-wing person, would support attempts to moderate the Muslim population).

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    A much higher % of billionaires are Jewish, than would be expected from their share of the population. The same is true with their representation in Congress, Academia, Hollywood and the News Media. That's a lot of cultural power, and as Lord Acton said "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely".

    It is unreasonable to expect that liberal Jews should be deferential to the conservative Chrisitianity of Middle America. But it is also unreasonable to continuously lie and subvert the interests of the latter, and not expect the latter to lash out in anger.

    The alt-right cannot stand the neocon hypocrisy, and none of the elite appear to be interested moderating their opinions on Invade/Invite.
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  88. @Omepraaz de Gangnola
    Sounds similar to American Evangelicals' unrequited love of Jews.

    There are more American Evangelicals coming to Israel as tourists each year, than there are American Jews. The former have quite a rational interest in supporting Israel, as they experience first hand how the pilgrimage sites are flourishing and the land and their own safely is guarded by the current rulers (actually American Christian tourists in Israel often give gifts to the soldiers and border police).

    The revival of Hebrew culture since last century is also a positive for anyone whose imagination is caught up in the world of the bible.

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  89. Anon says: • Website • Disclaimer

    Among ordinary Jews, I’m sure there are varying reasons.

    Some are just part of the Prog community that is anti-Trump, and it’s not really about Muslims per se but immigration. As Ellis Island Narrative is holy to Jews, the idea of ‘banning’ a certain group for religious or national reasons seems wrong or even evil. Also, Jews recall that many nations didn’t take in Jews during WWII on the basis that Jews are radical, dangerous, subversive, and even prone to anarcho-terrorism. So, some Jews project their own history and narrative onto Muslims as the ‘new Jews’. It’s like they had a ‘new dylan’ every month in the 70s.
    Especially with Jews now being so rich and powerful, they need to attach themselves to beleaguered ‘new Jews’ to feel that old Jewish Vibe.

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-ms-bob-dylan-nobel-20161013-snap-story.html

    http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/steveparker/new_book_of_rock_lists.htm

    Dylan’s foundational place in pop music also gave rise to a music industry phrase that has functioned over time either as a badge of honor or a kiss of death to those tagged as “the new Dylan,” a club that’s included Springsteen, John Prine, Loudon Wainwright III and Steve Forbert.

    For the time being, Muslims are the ‘new Jews’. Perversely enough, the Right finds Muslims useful for similar reasons. For them, they are useful as the ‘old Jews’. In the past, it was common on the Right to cast aspersions on Jewish influence and even be downright hostile toward Jews. But since WWII and rise of Holocaust Narrative, ‘antisemitism’ is a big no-no. So, the Right has to find another group to target as the Evil Other, and Muslims are useful in this regard… especially since the Right can claim to oppose Muslims to protect Jews and Israel, LOL. So, Muslimistics is a fun game. For the Right, Muslims are the Bad Semites who can be bashed. In contrast, Jews are the Good Semites who must be protected from Bad Semites, the Muslims. And since Jews made a key alliance with homos, and since Muslims don’t care for homos, the Right can claim to be protecting both Jews and Homos from the Bad Semites. Jews are kinda in a bind cuz they push both homomania and grudgingly make noises about ‘Islamophobia’. Worse, Jews have pushed a foreign policy that brought ruination on the Muslim World and turned so many into ‘refugees’. Jews want the US to use its power to fight Wars for Israel and crush perceived enemies. To that end, Jews have fostered ‘Islamophobia’, especially through all those movies featuring Muslim Terrorists as bad guys. And until relatively recently, Muslim characters were usually terrorists in TV shows. And who can forget TAKEN where great white father, a neo-Ethan-Edwards, goes searching for his daughter who’d been abducted by a Muslim ‘white slavery’ gang. (Those Bad Semites. Good Semites, the Israelis, would never traffic in white slavery. They invite girls from Ukraine to work on computers in Israel.)

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    I think there are some Jews who do feel some guilt about what was done to Palestinians. But they still support Israel and can’t make themselves support Palestinians directly. So, their sympathy become diffused among the wider Muslim community.

    Also, because Jews, blacks, and homos are holy, the only group that the Right is still allowed to ‘hate’ is Muslims. If you oppose Jews, you are ‘antisemitic’, a powerful word. If you criticize blacks, you are ‘racist’, another powerful word. If you denounce homo agenda, you are a ‘homophobe’, a media saturation term. But ‘Islamophobia’ never caught on. Also, unlike Jews, blacks, and homos who have real talent, therefore royalty points in the Western imagination, Muslims aren’t associated with anything intellectual, musical, beautiful, fanciful, etc. Because it’s still okay to bash Muslims, ‘Muslim’ has a wide meaning. Even black African violence in EU is called ‘Muslim’ when African thuggery is distinct from Muslim terrorism. Just like non-Syrians claim to be ‘Syrian refugees’, the Right will invoke ‘Muslims’ to target troublesome migrants in EU who have little or nothing to do with Islam.

    For this ‘Islamophilia’ to pass, it needs lots of amnesia, which is easy enough in our stupid world where people rely on pop culture and pop news. Collective Memory is controlled by overlords of academia and media. So, let us remember Emmit Till over and over and over as if he’s being killed over and over. But never mind all the whites killed by blacks since the 60s.
    Just like many Americans have no idea that Jews in the South were pro-slavery and pro-Confederate, many don’t know that much of anti-Muslim stereotype owes to Zionist control of Hollywood and its nasty depictions of Muslims as terrorists. (Besides, has a single movie about Nabka been made?)

    Also, I think there is a wink-wink understanding between Jews and Muslims. They don’t like each other, but they need each other because they have a common enemy. The White Right wants an end to immigration. As it grows assertive, it may challenge Jewish domination. Jews fear that. And Muslims want access to the West cuz it’s the shortcut to material ease and comfort. So, Jews and Muslims pretend to be friends, at least for now. It’s like in THE GODFATHER. For many many yrs, Corleones and Hyman Roth did business because they had common interests. But they never liked or trusted one another.
    Now, Jews and Muslims have a common enemy. Jews have exaggerated Trump as ‘new hitler’. I don’t think most Jews believe he is that. But they sense that Trumpism has awakened a kind of defiant white consciousness that seeks independence from the so-called ‘liberal world order’, aka globalism largely shaped by institutions and industries dominated by Jews.
    As for Muslims, I don’t think they would care about any political issue in the West except for the fact that they’ve become addicted to immigration to the West for the easy life. So many Muslims have found easy life in EU and better life in the US that they don’t want that bridge burned. And since the White Right is most anti-immigration, Muslims see them as the main threat and are even willing to work with Jews, long their arch-enemy in the Middle East. Had the West never allowed Muslim immigration, most Muslims would be (1) anti-Zionist and (2) anti-American intervention. But the Carrot of Immigration altered the Muslim political landscape. Furthermore, most Muslims are NOT Palestinians. So, if Jews work hard to let more Muslims in, they may side with Jews(out of cynical gratitude) and drop any concern for Palestinians. Consider Fareed Zakaria. He’s been allowed in and the red carpet has been rolled out to him. He is totally with the globo bandwagon because he’s part of the Elysium Club. He was cheering Trump shooting missiles into syria. The Carrot of Immigration is a huge factor in warping Muslim minds. People like Zakaria feel, “I got mine because Jews push for immigration whereas people like Ann Coulter don’t want me here.”

    Now, that’s mostly about ordinary Jews. I think among powerful Jews, the reason for ‘Islamophilia’ is more devious, even sinister. It is to mask their war-mongering and military interventionism with ‘humanitarianism’. Indeed, their selective narrative is so disingenuous. They make a big stink about sympathy for these poor refugees but totally overlook the fact that so many people became refugees precisely because of US foreign policy largely concocted by Zionist Globalists. Somehow, turning people into refugees is not a crime, but refusing to take them in is a moral transgression(in Hungary and Poland). But then, this duplicity is nothing new. US has time and time again masked its aggression and imperialism with the ‘humanitarian’ spectacle. It made a mess of Southeast Asia with Vietnam War but masked the bloodshed with the show of taking in all those poor ‘refugees’, largely created by the war and its aftereffects.

    It’s like someone setting another man’s house on fire and then making a big show of how he’s offering the victims shelter in his garage.

    There are other theories as well. Some think feminists(and many Jews are feminist) are subconsciously drawn to Muslims because the female psyche is drawn to strong males.

    Since feminism castrated white men, white/Jewish women crave for manhood in the Other. So, they aren’t so appalled by Sharia, at least for now as there’s very little chance that will replace the Constituton. Or by Whoria of Rap Culture that calls women ‘bitchass ho’s’. There may be some truth to this theory of subconscious attraction to strong men. I mean… even as I dislike the Muslim tyrant or black thug, nothing makes me sicker than the sight of CucKen Burns. That guy is so ewwwwwww. John Wayne needs to kick his butt and whip him into shape. (And this fascination with tough guy exists even among men. If a regular guy is given a choice of hanging with tough badass guys & risk getting hurt AND hanging with nice boring Amish guys or Star Trek nerds who’d never do him harm, which would he choose? Why does the young guy stick by John Wayne in THE SEARCHERS? Partly, it’s to find the girl and stop Ethan from doing her harm. But despite Ethan’s abusiveness, he likes being around a real man like Ethan, even if hanging with Ethan can get him hurt or killed. It’s manly and exciting.)

    We live in strange times. In a way, our society is becoming more PC and matriarchal. We have nanny-state feminists throwing hysterics about ‘rape culture’, ironically against white college males who are LEAST likely to rape. But there’s no outcry about rape against blacks who are more likely to rape.
    But while one side of society gets more PC and Oleannic, another side turns more gangsterish & thuggish. Rap thug culture is all around. Even kids have access to raunchy porn where everything is on the level of the animal and beast, even with bungholery. Gambling has spread all over the place. Once a gangster industry, it is now deemed ‘family recreation’. TV shows are filled with foul language and violence. Entire America tuned into stories of gangsters in SOPRANOS and BREAKING BALD HEAD. Athletes, now mostly black, have gone full-thug and even have tattoos all over. Tattoos and piercings have even spread to middle class people. Videogames are bloody and violent. And Hollywood blockbusters give us quasi-fascist spectacles of masterful power.

    In the gangster world, the tough guy wins. And the woman is the moll and goes with one with balls. (Social Network features Zuck as nerd-gangster.)

    Globalism invites gangsterism because the smart and savvy can game and play the entire world for maximum profit. In the past, Big Business had to wrestle with Big Labor that was connected with gangsterism, like in HOFFA. Today, it is the Big Business tycoons who can act like total gangsters in Wall Street, Las Vegas, and Silicon Valley. Googangsters are the biggest of them all. Crapple too. Even their virtue-flatulence, the fartnik nod to ADL and SPLC, is a rigged game. APPLE gives money to those organizations cuz they have an arrangement with media and the state. It’s protection money.
    Gangsters attract molls, who are so loyal to the men of power. But some molls want more, and just like ADL and SPLC use the same tropes of ‘antisemitism’ and ‘hate’, the molls bitch about ‘misogyny’. But all said and done, the trick to get goodies is to attach oneself to the Top Alpha Gangster nerds or Gangsterds. I mean, would Susan Wojcicki have gotten that far without attaching herself to Googangsters?

    PS. As for Islam being ‘misogynistic’, that term is meaningless. Anything can be deemed ‘misogynistic’ depending on one’s values. From a traditional viewpoint, much of modern West is anti-women because it degrades women with vulgarity and trashiness. And feminists used to decry ‘sexism’ in stuff like Russ Meyer movies. But later, the New Feminists said even pornography is ‘empowering’. Feminists attacked madonna as a stupid sex symbol, but later ones, influenced by Paglia, made her into a feminist icon. A Muslim can make a case that the West is ‘misogynist’. The West can say Muslim treatment of women is ‘anti-women’. I personally find Sharia to be repressive, but should Western parents be proud of raising their girls to be drunken whores? Is that pro-women? At any rate, ‘misogynist’ is a useless term cuz anything can be deemed ‘anti-women’.

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  90. @Roger
    If Jews are just pursuing their group interests, then their only serious rivals are white Christians. So they will do anything to boost the interests of Jews, and undermine white Christians. Importing Muslims is the best thing that they can do to undermine white Christians.

    Not really. A large proportion of the antisemites (or at least individuals that are harrassing Zionist groups on college campuses) listed on Canary Mission are Muslim.

    https://canarymission.org/individuals/

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  91. Thea says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy
    The answer is really quite simple. Israel Shamir has it right - many Jews view Islam as a weapon to use against Christianity. Hatred of Christianity is a defining feature of modern Judaism. And it isn't exclusive to a liberal Jews either. Christians who have gone to Israel have told me that they have witnessed yarmulked Jews spitting upon passing a Christian church. Our foreign policy can be viewed through this lens as well. Conservative, Christian Russia being our worst enemy; working to overthrow the Christian-tolerant Assad regime with the Christian-intolerant rebels, etc..

    The Apostle Paul noted this so I wouldn’t call it modern.

    But why do our leaders allow this? Do The Jews have special brainwashing powers?

    It’s possible to be Christian and not worship Israel. Yet most evangelicals do.

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    For people whose imagination is caught up in the world of the bible (which is a defining feature of many protestants), there's nothing irrational in visiting Israel and supporting the revival of Hebrew culture.

    Actually many American Evangelicals feel a stronger cultural connection to Israel (particularly when they visit it for themselves), and have a better knowledge of its ancient history, than do many secular American Jews.
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  92. Look at Reinhard Heydrich and tell me there’s no Khazar there.

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  93. @StillCARealist
    Wrong. American Evangelicals love Israel, not Jews.

    Haven’t you heard? Their boss is a Jewish carpenter.

    If you haven’t they’ll make sure to tell you.

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  94. Maj. Kong says:
    @Dmitry134564
    I guess the problem is with the other journalists who work at the NYT and Washington Post, or the activists at the ADL and such people, although he seems to have rather an over-estimation of their power - they more like weather-vanes than actual opinion-shapers.

    I would say the majority of Jews who support Israel, are very aware of what the majority of Muslims think of them - it's everywhere on social media and other platforms, let alone the actual events on the ground. That doesn't mean they don't also support attempts at outreach (even I as a very right-wing person, would support attempts to moderate the Muslim population).

    A much higher % of billionaires are Jewish, than would be expected from their share of the population. The same is true with their representation in Congress, Academia, Hollywood and the News Media. That’s a lot of cultural power, and as Lord Acton said “power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely”.

    It is unreasonable to expect that liberal Jews should be deferential to the conservative Chrisitianity of Middle America. But it is also unreasonable to continuously lie and subvert the interests of the latter, and not expect the latter to lash out in anger.

    The alt-right cannot stand the neocon hypocrisy, and none of the elite appear to be interested moderating their opinions on Invade/Invite.

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    I'm not saying that Jews are not disproportionately powerful in the United States - they certainly are (sometimes for better, sometimes for worse).

    But taking some highly-opinionated NYT columnists and SJWs as representative of the views of American Jews? Well to say it's not a representative sample was one point, and my connected point is that such people don't have all that much power in themselves.

    The majority of Jews in America are centrist and moderate Democrats. In my experience (to go back to village anecdotes, and repeat the poor methodology being used in the above piece), these kind of Democrats are usually aware that the Muslim world is mainly hostile to Jews and hardly have some kind of irrational love of Islam, particularly since 9/11. The typical centrist Democrat is far from being a SJW. And supporting the idea of reaching out to moderate Muslims isn't the same as embracing Islam, let alone Islamists.

    --------------

    I'm very right-wing and very aware of the common viewpoints held in the Muslim world (which are incompatible with any society we would like to live in), but I would still support efforts to reach out to moderate Muslims and interfaith dialogue stuff. On the question of immigration of people from Muslim majority countries, there certainly should be a lot more ideological vetting than there is. A total ban on immigration from Muslim countries, I would not support though, since a good immigration policy should focus much more on the individual qualities of each candidate - much like a good university admissions policy would. Every group has good and bad people, and talented and untalented people - and the best immigration policy would be one which selects the good and talented people from any group, while filtering out the bad and untalented.

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  95. AndrewR says:
    @candid_observer
    I think the Tragedy of the Jews is that they have come to swallow their own exhaust.

    Once upon a time, it did indeed serve their purposes to push the identity politics agenda, and to argue that all minority groups were effectively oppressed, but were, inherently, every bit the equal to others, and deserved far greater acceptance in the majority society. This idea had immense appeal, and, in the good portion of the beginning of the twentieth century, some initial plausibility.

    But Jews, particularly the later generations among them, who were raised mostly with no alternative, more self-protective, point of view, couldn't get off this idea. The idea, meant in no small part as spin by earlier generations, took in the later generations like gullible marks. The belief that all groups were, at base, identical in their potential, was intoxicating in its vision and its concomitant rush of moral superiority.

    The problem is that Jews thereby created a Frankenstein monster that would, in time, eat them alive. The more secular among them have outmarried to a point of near self-elimination. They are, of course, the most despised of the enemies of Islam. Israel, once precious to American Jews, is increasingly regarded as an embarrassment.

    It may or may not be fair to lay the damage wrought by identity politics at the door of Jews. But there's little question that if whites generally suffer under it, then Jews are getting it even worse. Whites aren't going away anytime soon. Can anyone say that about the secular Jews?

    Maybe not, but we can definitely say they’re not going away soon enough.

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  96. AndrewR says:
    @Simon in London
    I see it here too. It's weird to me how someone can be a strong Zionist, complain vociferously about the Palestinian Rights march in his neighbourhood, then attack me strongly for wanting to limit immigration.

    Ethnostate for me, not for thee, goy.

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  97. mobi says:

    Muslim minorities, like all minorities, are ‘canaries in the coal mine’.

    A cohesive white majority, acting to protect itself from them, poses a far greater danger to Jews than muslims will be capable of anytime soon, if ever. Existential danger, vs the danger of petty, random thuggery.

    ‘First they came for the muslims…’

    And given that Jews are head-and-shoulders above all others in smarts, combined with their long and dramatic history, how likely is it that they are wrong, and only need to be persuaded by us to see reason?

    Perhaps it’s not them who are wrong at all.

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  98. @Maj. Kong
    A much higher % of billionaires are Jewish, than would be expected from their share of the population. The same is true with their representation in Congress, Academia, Hollywood and the News Media. That's a lot of cultural power, and as Lord Acton said "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely".

    It is unreasonable to expect that liberal Jews should be deferential to the conservative Chrisitianity of Middle America. But it is also unreasonable to continuously lie and subvert the interests of the latter, and not expect the latter to lash out in anger.

    The alt-right cannot stand the neocon hypocrisy, and none of the elite appear to be interested moderating their opinions on Invade/Invite.

    I’m not saying that Jews are not disproportionately powerful in the United States – they certainly are (sometimes for better, sometimes for worse).

    But taking some highly-opinionated NYT columnists and SJWs as representative of the views of American Jews? Well to say it’s not a representative sample was one point, and my connected point is that such people don’t have all that much power in themselves.

    The majority of Jews in America are centrist and moderate Democrats. In my experience (to go back to village anecdotes, and repeat the poor methodology being used in the above piece), these kind of Democrats are usually aware that the Muslim world is mainly hostile to Jews and hardly have some kind of irrational love of Islam, particularly since 9/11. The typical centrist Democrat is far from being a SJW. And supporting the idea of reaching out to moderate Muslims isn’t the same as embracing Islam, let alone Islamists.

    ————–

    I’m very right-wing and very aware of the common viewpoints held in the Muslim world (which are incompatible with any society we would like to live in), but I would still support efforts to reach out to moderate Muslims and interfaith dialogue stuff. On the question of immigration of people from Muslim majority countries, there certainly should be a lot more ideological vetting than there is. A total ban on immigration from Muslim countries, I would not support though, since a good immigration policy should focus much more on the individual qualities of each candidate – much like a good university admissions policy would. Every group has good and bad people, and talented and untalented people – and the best immigration policy would be one which selects the good and talented people from any group, while filtering out the bad and untalented.

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    Well, if you think that Chuck Schumer is a "centrist and moderate" Democrat, sure. But his shilling for Wall Street doesn't bother me as much as his desire to destroy the 2nd Amendment and flood the country with 3rd World immigration. And for the record, my own people aren't much better, Phil Hart and Ted Kennedy were Catholic. And the current disaster is just as much the fault of W.F. Buckley and Ronald Reagan.

    --

    A total ban on immigration from Muslim countries, I would not support though, since a good immigration policy should focus much more on the individual qualities of each candidate – much like a good university admissions policy would.
     
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/pdf/The%20Myth%20of%20American%20Meritocracy-Unz.pdf

    Ron Unz, Myth of American Meritocracy

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    In an unrelated note, the US/Canada are the only countries that run their university admissions on a "holistic" basis versus an examinaiton system. I see no clear reason why we shouldn't scrap this illusion of "well-rounded" along with affirmative action.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    The majority of Jews in America are centrist and moderate Democrats.

    That may be so, I don't know, but the influential Jews, the ones who heavily influence the output of all media, as well as the Jews in academia and politics, tend to be far left. The majority of Jews may not be that radical but they're not the ones influencing the culture and politics of this country.
    , @Perspective

    On the question of immigration of people from Muslim majority countries, there certainly should be a lot more ideological vetting than there is. A total ban on immigration from Muslim countries, I would not support though, since a good immigration policy should focus much more on the individual qualities of each candidate – much like a good university admissions policy would.
     
    I think part of a sound immigration policy is of course having a university merit based admissions system, however, considering most humans are tribal in nature, an immigration system needs to have a significant cultural and ethnic component to it. I think there needs to be a limit, or at least discussion, as to how much demographic change can be allowed before it affects social cohesion. Mexico's immigration system does not allow immigration to significantly alter the demographic equilibrium of the country. Perhaps a version of that could be adapted in Western countries if the hysteria ever dies down.
    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/09/adapt_mexicos_immigration_policy.html

    While we're at it, there's also the question if it is moral for first world countries to drain middle-upper class talent from developing countries such as India.
    , @snorlax
    Would you have let in Aafia Siddiqui? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aafia_Siddiqui

    BTW, every time ISIS takes western hostages, they demand her release.
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  99. @Thea
    The Apostle Paul noted this so I wouldn't call it modern.

    But why do our leaders allow this? Do The Jews have special brainwashing powers?

    It's possible to be Christian and not worship Israel. Yet most evangelicals do.

    For people whose imagination is caught up in the world of the bible (which is a defining feature of many protestants), there’s nothing irrational in visiting Israel and supporting the revival of Hebrew culture.

    Actually many American Evangelicals feel a stronger cultural connection to Israel (particularly when they visit it for themselves), and have a better knowledge of its ancient history, than do many secular American Jews.

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  100. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Come the Revolution! The destruction of the running dog pig-rat West filth is at hand! To the barricades, comrades of the world! Come the New Soviet Man there will be no Muslims, just the shining New Society. Happiness will be mandatory!

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  101. Lot says:
    @International Jew

    So the entire West is being dragged down in part by the weird psycho-dramas spwaned by this one tiny tribe
     
    Are you blaming us for Merkel too? And the Italian navy?

    Are you blaming us for Merkel too?

    Jews can’t stop Germany and Sweden from funding Hamas-controlled Gaza, trading with Iran, and boycotting Israeli products, but can force them to import a million Arabs.

    Jews had so little influence in the USA they could not get us to admit their co-ethnics fleeing for their lives during WWII, but had so much influence they got the USA into WWII. (You say it was Japan that bombed Pearl Harbor and Germany that declared war on the USA? But that was all part of Roosevjew’s plan!)

    Jews had so little influence in 1956 they could not get the USA to join Israel, UK and France to occupy and reopen the Suez Canal, but so much influence in 1965 that they got Congress to pass the Immigration and Nationality Act by 76-18 in the Senate and 320-70 in the House*)

    (*All 10 Congressmen and six senators from Kansas, Montana, and Nebraska voted for the 1965 bill. Jews were especially powerful there in the mid 1960′s. Congressman Cellar just had to snap his fingers.)

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    Jews can’t stop Germany and Sweden from funding Hamas-controlled Gaza, trading with Iran, and boycotting Israeli products, but can force them to import a million Arabs.

     

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4838864,00.html

    Qatar and Iran are the ones holding Hamas' leash, not Europe.

    Modern-day issues of foreign policy don't carry any "white guilt" with them. That ended with the Iraq War fiasco. By contrast, the guilt trip is maximized to full effect with mass immigration. Note the bodies of dead economic migrants being prominently shown in the media, but not the bodies of victims of Islamist terrorism.

    Jews had so little influence in the USA they could not get us to admit their co-ethnics fleeing for their lives during WWII,
     
    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/dominican-republic-as-haven-for-jewish-refugees


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recession_of_1937%E2%80%9338
    , @Stealth

    Jews had so little influence in 1956 they could not get the USA to join Israel, UK and France to occupy and reopen the Suez Canal, but so much influence in 1965 that they got Congress to pass the Immigration and Nationality Act by 76-18 in the Senate and 320-70 in the House*)
     
    You're saying that the Jewish community was not a driving force behind the '65 immigration act?
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  102. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “Perhaps it’s not them who are wrong at all.”

    And perhaps for all that they are not smart enough not to be stupid.

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  103. Maj. Kong says:
    @Dmitry134564
    I'm not saying that Jews are not disproportionately powerful in the United States - they certainly are (sometimes for better, sometimes for worse).

    But taking some highly-opinionated NYT columnists and SJWs as representative of the views of American Jews? Well to say it's not a representative sample was one point, and my connected point is that such people don't have all that much power in themselves.

    The majority of Jews in America are centrist and moderate Democrats. In my experience (to go back to village anecdotes, and repeat the poor methodology being used in the above piece), these kind of Democrats are usually aware that the Muslim world is mainly hostile to Jews and hardly have some kind of irrational love of Islam, particularly since 9/11. The typical centrist Democrat is far from being a SJW. And supporting the idea of reaching out to moderate Muslims isn't the same as embracing Islam, let alone Islamists.

    --------------

    I'm very right-wing and very aware of the common viewpoints held in the Muslim world (which are incompatible with any society we would like to live in), but I would still support efforts to reach out to moderate Muslims and interfaith dialogue stuff. On the question of immigration of people from Muslim majority countries, there certainly should be a lot more ideological vetting than there is. A total ban on immigration from Muslim countries, I would not support though, since a good immigration policy should focus much more on the individual qualities of each candidate - much like a good university admissions policy would. Every group has good and bad people, and talented and untalented people - and the best immigration policy would be one which selects the good and talented people from any group, while filtering out the bad and untalented.

    Well, if you think that Chuck Schumer is a “centrist and moderate” Democrat, sure. But his shilling for Wall Street doesn’t bother me as much as his desire to destroy the 2nd Amendment and flood the country with 3rd World immigration. And for the record, my own people aren’t much better, Phil Hart and Ted Kennedy were Catholic. And the current disaster is just as much the fault of W.F. Buckley and Ronald Reagan.

    A total ban on immigration from Muslim countries, I would not support though, since a good immigration policy should focus much more on the individual qualities of each candidate – much like a good university admissions policy would.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/pdf/The%20Myth%20of%20American%20Meritocracy-Unz.pdf

    Ron Unz, Myth of American Meritocracy

    In an unrelated note, the US/Canada are the only countries that run their university admissions on a “holistic” basis versus an examinaiton system. I see no clear reason why we shouldn’t scrap this illusion of “well-rounded” along with affirmative action.

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  104. Lagertha says:

    the first country that will be full independent PRO-PALESTINE will be Sweden. There will simply be too much pressure on the Social-Democrat Party to ignore that to become reality. It does 2 things: absolves Swedes of being anti-Islam & and; forces the rest of Europe to “get-with-the-program” of globalization.

    What has actually, happened, in my life time, in the Nordic Countries is: we are wusses and will allow beliefs like Islam to invade, take over. So, Israel needs to get real. because, seriously, Israelis, there may no longer be any Deplorables, large armies, fighting for you.

    However, back to the North Lands…caveat…Finns, of all the Nordic countries, will kill you before you take their alcohol from them.

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    Sweden already is Pro-Palestine and has been for several decades. It's a long-standing Social-Democrat/leftist hobby horse. Sweden recognized Palestine as an independent state in 2014, right after the Social-Democrats won the election. The electorate was somewhat confused by this, but did not grumble much.

    http://www.regeringen.se/pressmeddelanden/2014/10/sverige-erkanner-palestina-och-okar-bistandet/

    In my normie days, I used to get upset by this, but now I don't care. Well, except they are wasting tax money on foreign aid to muslims, of course.
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  105. Maj. Kong says:
    @Lot

    Are you blaming us for Merkel too?
     
    Jews can't stop Germany and Sweden from funding Hamas-controlled Gaza, trading with Iran, and boycotting Israeli products, but can force them to import a million Arabs.

    Jews had so little influence in the USA they could not get us to admit their co-ethnics fleeing for their lives during WWII, but had so much influence they got the USA into WWII. (You say it was Japan that bombed Pearl Harbor and Germany that declared war on the USA? But that was all part of Roosevjew's plan!)

    Jews had so little influence in 1956 they could not get the USA to join Israel, UK and France to occupy and reopen the Suez Canal, but so much influence in 1965 that they got Congress to pass the Immigration and Nationality Act by 76-18 in the Senate and 320-70 in the House*)

    (*All 10 Congressmen and six senators from Kansas, Montana, and Nebraska voted for the 1965 bill. Jews were especially powerful there in the mid 1960's. Congressman Cellar just had to snap his fingers.)

    Jews can’t stop Germany and Sweden from funding Hamas-controlled Gaza, trading with Iran, and boycotting Israeli products, but can force them to import a million Arabs.

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4838864,00.html

    Qatar and Iran are the ones holding Hamas’ leash, not Europe.

    Modern-day issues of foreign policy don’t carry any “white guilt” with them. That ended with the Iraq War fiasco. By contrast, the guilt trip is maximized to full effect with mass immigration. Note the bodies of dead economic migrants being prominently shown in the media, but not the bodies of victims of Islamist terrorism.

    Jews had so little influence in the USA they could not get us to admit their co-ethnics fleeing for their lives during WWII,

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/dominican-republic-as-haven-for-jewish-refugees

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recession_of_1937%E2%80%9338

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  106. a guy says:
    @Anonymous

    These are just anecdotes and women do seem much more wrapped up in this stuff than men.
     
    Paging Dr. Whiskey... tribal outgroup philia in ob/gyn.

    https://twitter.com/ADDcrafter/status/903799940220104704

    Vincente Fox ( Real last name Fuchs) is half German and half Basque ancestry. A white boy . Who does he think he is fooling ? Minority my arse..

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  107. Lot says:

    Qatar and Iran are the ones holding Hamas’ leash, not Europe.

    I have no idea who controls Hamas or if it even is controlled by external actors.

    But a large part of the Palestinian economy is foreign aid from Europe, which is spent exactly as Hamas wants in Gaza. It does not appear that the Euros attach strings to their aid. A lot of the money that was supposed to go to humanitarian purposes ending up funding rockets to fire and Israel and tunnels under the border and bunkers for the next war.

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  108. Lagertha says:

    Jews are starting to realize the flood of bad stuff they created, these past 2 years with their anti-Trump stew, all of which, will only fall on their own families. It is really sad that Jews, since the late 90′s, are starting to realize they effed up. Without Christians, Deplorables, gun people, and religiously unaffiliated people (majority) they don’t have voters who give a rat’s ass about them anymore. Because: History is BORING. True story: I asked teenagers about WW2…and they mentioned Napoleon.

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  109. NickG says:

    I wonder if Muslims love American Jews back?

    Jew hatred amongst Muslims is beyond endemic, it’s close to ubiquitous.

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    Yep. For example...
    http://www.sacbee.com/entertainment/living/religion/article163622043.html
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  110. Roger says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Do they think that if Jews had made common cause with the Nazis early on that the Holocaust might have been avoided?
     
    Actually, some Zionist German Jews did make common cause with them, as they shared the view Europe wasn't the place for Jews to be. This was before the party was taken over by that faggot with the mustache who screwed everything up.

    Sure, a lot of Moslems are antisemitic and anti-Zionist. But a lot of American Jews don’t care what 20yo Moslem students are tweeting. It does not affect them. It is much more important to undermine white Christians, because in their view white Christians control America,

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  111. DaninMD says:
    @Tiny Duck
    Muslims have much more respect for minirities than do white christians. For example during the Muslim caliphate in Spain (Spain's golden age by the way) Jews were given safe harbor from murderous Christians

    The truth is that muslims are much better people than white christians. Most women and all People of Color agree with that statement. There is a reason white women are increasingly reverting to Islam and bearing children of muslim men

    JuTiny duck, your facts are wrong.

    1. Minority faiths have been driven out of almost every Muslim majority nation. Muhammad himself was led vast campaigns of slaughter against non muslims. Few people in history were more prolific murderers than Muhammad.

    2. The caliphate was not Spain’s golden age. The caliphate ended before 1000. Spain’s golden age began at least 500 years later.

    3. The Inquisition was around 500 years after the caliphate. The caliphate could not have prevented Jews from an event 500 years in the future.

    4. As for Muslims being ‘better’ than Christians, Muslims sure seem eager to flee Muslim lands for Christian ones.

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    Your ignorance is appalling


    Cite information that is not Eurocentric and acknowledge the pernicious effects of coloniLusm and white supremacy
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  112. I remember reading Machiavelli many moons ago where he made the point that a small country or Principality that is next to or in between a much bigger states should not be neutral. It won’t protect them from being invaded and once they have been overrun, the fact that they had been neutral will not have won them any friends. It is better to just be on one side or the other.

    I think Jews and Gays are playing by this strategy. Each makes up only 2% of the population and rather than dilute their power by playing both sides, each group always plays for the left.

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  113. Pericles says:
    @Lagertha
    the first country that will be full independent PRO-PALESTINE will be Sweden. There will simply be too much pressure on the Social-Democrat Party to ignore that to become reality. It does 2 things: absolves Swedes of being anti-Islam & and; forces the rest of Europe to "get-with-the-program" of globalization.

    What has actually, happened, in my life time, in the Nordic Countries is: we are wusses and will allow beliefs like Islam to invade, take over. So, Israel needs to get real. because, seriously, Israelis, there may no longer be any Deplorables, large armies, fighting for you.

    However, back to the North Lands...caveat...Finns, of all the Nordic countries, will kill you before you take their alcohol from them.

    Sweden already is Pro-Palestine and has been for several decades. It’s a long-standing Social-Democrat/leftist hobby horse. Sweden recognized Palestine as an independent state in 2014, right after the Social-Democrats won the election. The electorate was somewhat confused by this, but did not grumble much.

    http://www.regeringen.se/pressmeddelanden/2014/10/sverige-erkanner-palestina-och-okar-bistandet/

    In my normie days, I used to get upset by this, but now I don’t care. Well, except they are wasting tax money on foreign aid to muslims, of course.

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  114. This is more a class thing than a Jewish thing. The entire WASP establishment has been pushing the Islam = Religion of Peace nonsense since 9/11.

    All the white suburban schools in Cincinnati push it pretty regularly (it’s part of the deracination training). I was at Princeton Seminary during 9/11 and two days after they had an imam in the pulpit at Miller Chapel for the first time.

    https://our.ptsem.edu/ics/Campus_Life/Chapel_Office/About_Miller_Chapel_and_Schiede_Hall.jnz

    It’s a perfect storm of Niceanity (and the vanity that fuels it), late imperial squeaky-wheel greasing, and people kidding themselves that our hegemony is so unchallenged that we’re obliged to be gracious rulers of our poor Muslim brothers.

    The Jews are just following the WASP lead as usual.

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    "The Jews are just following the WASP lead as usual."

    This is satire, right? Surely you don't actually believe in this inverted interpretation of reality.
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  115. @Perspective
    Actress Mayim Bialik said she would register as a Muslim so that she could appear on Trump's non-existent Muslim ban list. This bizarre hysteria is not just confined to Jews, much of Antifa is made up of non-Jewish Whites who want to obliterate the civilization their ancestors likely built and participated in. I simply can't wrap my head around such nonsense, is there a term that best describes this? Is it some cult suicide pact?

    “I simply can’t wrap my head around such nonsense, is there a term that best describes this? Is it some cult suicide pact?”

    When a formal, explicit religion declines, the God-shaped hole is filled by all sorts of things. A day or two back someone posted on twitter (thought it was hbdchick but can’t find it there) a link to research showing that politics now divides people much more than religion. I’d argue that for the non-religious, politics is a substitute for religion.

    White SJWs are the Flagellants of the Current Year, but those in charge of the megaphone make sure their energies are directed against the ‘right’ enemy. People have to have something to hate, and if the “natural” hate objects are verboten, they’ll hate what they’re told to hate. Orwell knew that of which he wrote.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellant#In_Italy

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  116. Tiny Duck says:
    @DaninMD
    JuTiny duck, your facts are wrong.

    1. Minority faiths have been driven out of almost every Muslim majority nation. Muhammad himself was led vast campaigns of slaughter against non muslims. Few people in history were more prolific murderers than Muhammad.

    2. The caliphate was not Spain's golden age. The caliphate ended before 1000. Spain's golden age began at least 500 years later.

    3. The Inquisition was around 500 years after the caliphate. The caliphate could not have prevented Jews from an event 500 years in the future.

    4. As for Muslims being 'better' than Christians, Muslims sure seem eager to flee Muslim lands for Christian ones.

    Your ignorance is appalling

    Cite information that is not Eurocentric and acknowledge the pernicious effects of coloniLusm and white supremacy

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    TF, I really wonder what you're up too :-)
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  117. @a guy
    I know a girl like this , a cousin through marriage . Everyone else in her family are Trump supporters or apolitical . Her favorite cause is Palestinians . I always ask her opinion on Darfur , Papua ,Cyprus ,Tibet ,Biafra , Western Sahara , Kurdistan , and ongoing slavery in the Islamic countries which enrages her . Her family loves my antics .

    She also fancies herself a gay rights activist . I have asked her many times how she reconciles this with the fact that homosexuality is illegal and punishable by the death penalty in many Islamic states including Palestinian territories. Never got an answer . My guess is that these sort of people are the proverbial useful idiots ?

    ” Useful idiots”

    Nope, rather insane leftists, and all attempts at rational, common sense discussion is a hopeless exercise in futility.

    Your cousin is nuts, and she is unable to understand what you are trying to get across, just take it from there.

    Anthenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne qualified US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician

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  119. Parbes says:
    @anonymous

    I see it here too. It’s weird to me how someone can be a strong Zionist, complain vociferously about the Palestinian Rights march in his neighbourhood, then attack me strongly for wanting to limit immigration.
     
    Maybe it's a way to make up for their support of Israel with regards to the Palestinians.

    I recall during the Kosovo campaign in 1999, when we bombed the Christian Serbs, the biggest supporters of this policy were the neocons. Some even threatened to abandon the republican party unless the GOP got on board. I recalled thinking it was odd they would side with muslims over a land dispute with Christians. But then I remember thinking that support of that policy might have been a way to mollify muslims who have always complained that the USA is one-sided in its support of Israel.

    So by siding with the muslims in Kosovo, they could show the muslim world that they were not biased against muslims despite their strong support of Israel. And to demonstrate this, they were willing to carve off a piece of a Christian nation to create a brand new muslim one.

    Maybe this too is a way for the zionists you mention to signal to the muslims that their support of Israel is in no way to be taken as dislike for muslims. And to prove it, they are willing to welcome the demographic transformation of the West by the muslim world.

    Exactly. Perhaps the strongest and most vocal promoter of the U.S./NATO attacks on Serbia in support of the causes of Muslim Bosnia and Muslim Kosovo among leading U.S. politicians at the time, was the Hungarian Jewish-origin congressman Tom Lantos (who has since croaked – unfortunately in peace, rather than hanging from a gallows). This disgusting Zionist openly stated, at one point, that the U.S./NATO attack against the Serbs was being done to demonstrate to the Muslim world that the West does not always side against Muslims – i.e., sacrificing a small, traditionally pro-Russian and Orthodox Christian European nation by ACTIVELY ATTACKING THEM IN A PREMEDITATED MANNER, in order to gain some temporary plaudits from Muslims and deflect Muslim anger away from the U.S. and Israel.

    Note that the same Serbs had put up one of the hardest fights against the German Nazi troops in WWII, and had saved many Jews from the Nazis.

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    The Serbs disgraced themselves with their treatment of the Bosnians. That was a bona fide attempt at genocide. Among their tactics was to rape women until they got pregnant, then release them to have their Serb Y-chromosome children. That they got slammed a bit 4 years later is not something I'm losing sleep over.

    Something shitty in that episode, though, was that the air strikes happened to commence the same day as some huge news event in the Clinton impeachment saga (I forget what, Clinton testifying? Something big). Thus it was nakedly obvious that Bill Clinton and his scum squad chose to do a bit of killing to massage the news cycle.
    , @The True and Original David
    Racist: yiddish word for "white."

    Nazi: yiddish word for "not Semitic."

    All kidding aside, in the Current Year these tongue-in-cheek definitions are nearly as descriptively accurate as any true one is. Test them.

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  120. @Dmitry134564
    I'm not saying that Jews are not disproportionately powerful in the United States - they certainly are (sometimes for better, sometimes for worse).

    But taking some highly-opinionated NYT columnists and SJWs as representative of the views of American Jews? Well to say it's not a representative sample was one point, and my connected point is that such people don't have all that much power in themselves.

    The majority of Jews in America are centrist and moderate Democrats. In my experience (to go back to village anecdotes, and repeat the poor methodology being used in the above piece), these kind of Democrats are usually aware that the Muslim world is mainly hostile to Jews and hardly have some kind of irrational love of Islam, particularly since 9/11. The typical centrist Democrat is far from being a SJW. And supporting the idea of reaching out to moderate Muslims isn't the same as embracing Islam, let alone Islamists.

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    I'm very right-wing and very aware of the common viewpoints held in the Muslim world (which are incompatible with any society we would like to live in), but I would still support efforts to reach out to moderate Muslims and interfaith dialogue stuff. On the question of immigration of people from Muslim majority countries, there certainly should be a lot more ideological vetting than there is. A total ban on immigration from Muslim countries, I would not support though, since a good immigration policy should focus much more on the individual qualities of each candidate - much like a good university admissions policy would. Every group has good and bad people, and talented and untalented people - and the best immigration policy would be one which selects the good and talented people from any group, while filtering out the bad and untalented.

    The majority of Jews in America are centrist and moderate Democrats.

    That may be so, I don’t know, but the influential Jews, the ones who heavily influence the output of all media, as well as the Jews in academia and politics, tend to be far left. The majority of Jews may not be that radical but they’re not the ones influencing the culture and politics of this country.

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  121. @AM

    Self-sacrifice is the noblest form of altruism–suicidal is the new cool
     
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    This isn't self-sacrifice, though. This is narcissism, because the people who advocate importing and hugging Muslims really don't expect that they'll have to sacrifice for this. They just have to be their awesome selves and they will be loved for it.

    Jews in Europe "get" the huggies don't work on a very personal level. They can't afford the narcissism conditions in the West have created.

    I know that the alt-right likes the diagnosis of pathological altruism, but I think it's essentially the wrong one. The reason why the invoking the pearl-clutching reaction works to change things is that narcissism is about an addiction to feeling good about oneself. Self image is everything. You might be able to reason with a pathological altruist, who might be into actual self-sacrifice in a masochist way. Narcissists don't do self-sacrifice.

    Self-congratulation as a basis for social policy. Feeling good about oneself and looking good to the others in one’s circle is more important than doing good. Also, affluent people aren’t concerned about a family of Syrian rapefugees moving in their neighborhood.

    I once remarked to a Jewish friend that one of the reasons why Jews were liberal was because they tended to be affluent, so they could escape the consequences of their purported idealism. She agreed with me.

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  122. @newrouter
    Jordan Peterson: Why Feminists Love Islam and Hate the West

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XGBpi6SvqE

    Exactly THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND>
    Jew particularly i the USA do not fear muslims.Muslims are useful idiots (like the blacks and women and perverts they also champion) to deploy against their only real competitors, whites.Jews are not nearly as smart as thought or know something we don’t, because its pretty obvious neither jews nor whites will be able to hold power in the wst much longer and neither of us will be treated humanely by the conquerors we invited in from africa mid east south america etc.The elites both white and jews imagine they will eventually just neuter islam the way they did christianity but they cant even control blacks anymore. They also dont seem to get that should whites wake up before its too late which seems to be happening, they are certainly going to come to understand the jews have been trying to kill them while they were asleep which is pretty much happened in europe and led to the holocaust. Either way once again whats good for the jews is not good for the jews, stupid fucking people.

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  123. @Tiny Duck
    Your ignorance is appalling


    Cite information that is not Eurocentric and acknowledge the pernicious effects of coloniLusm and white supremacy

    TF, I really wonder what you’re up too :-)

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  124. Patriot says:

    The correct phrase is “victim politics”.

    The Democratic party is the Victim Party.

    Every victim needs an oppressor, so who is “The Oppressor”? That’s right, straight White males.

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  125. @f, dj
    Perhaps it is slowly beginning to dawn on Steve that progressive American Jews do not care all that much about the interests of Israel or the Jewish people generally. Like other progressive whites, they just care about being progressive.

    Perhaps it is slowly beginning to dawn on Steve that progressive American Jews do not care all that much about the interests of Israel or the Jewish people generally. Like other progressive whites, they just care about being progressive.

    Amen. Finally some sense on the comments section.

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  126. @Dmitry134564
    I'm not saying that Jews are not disproportionately powerful in the United States - they certainly are (sometimes for better, sometimes for worse).

    But taking some highly-opinionated NYT columnists and SJWs as representative of the views of American Jews? Well to say it's not a representative sample was one point, and my connected point is that such people don't have all that much power in themselves.

    The majority of Jews in America are centrist and moderate Democrats. In my experience (to go back to village anecdotes, and repeat the poor methodology being used in the above piece), these kind of Democrats are usually aware that the Muslim world is mainly hostile to Jews and hardly have some kind of irrational love of Islam, particularly since 9/11. The typical centrist Democrat is far from being a SJW. And supporting the idea of reaching out to moderate Muslims isn't the same as embracing Islam, let alone Islamists.

    --------------

    I'm very right-wing and very aware of the common viewpoints held in the Muslim world (which are incompatible with any society we would like to live in), but I would still support efforts to reach out to moderate Muslims and interfaith dialogue stuff. On the question of immigration of people from Muslim majority countries, there certainly should be a lot more ideological vetting than there is. A total ban on immigration from Muslim countries, I would not support though, since a good immigration policy should focus much more on the individual qualities of each candidate - much like a good university admissions policy would. Every group has good and bad people, and talented and untalented people - and the best immigration policy would be one which selects the good and talented people from any group, while filtering out the bad and untalented.

    On the question of immigration of people from Muslim majority countries, there certainly should be a lot more ideological vetting than there is. A total ban on immigration from Muslim countries, I would not support though, since a good immigration policy should focus much more on the individual qualities of each candidate – much like a good university admissions policy would.

    I think part of a sound immigration policy is of course having a university merit based admissions system, however, considering most humans are tribal in nature, an immigration system needs to have a significant cultural and ethnic component to it. I think there needs to be a limit, or at least discussion, as to how much demographic change can be allowed before it affects social cohesion. Mexico’s immigration system does not allow immigration to significantly alter the demographic equilibrium of the country. Perhaps a version of that could be adapted in Western countries if the hysteria ever dies down.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/09/adapt_mexicos_immigration_policy.html

    While we’re at it, there’s also the question if it is moral for first world countries to drain middle-upper class talent from developing countries such as India.

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  127. @jb
    This is clearly a religious issue. And I mean that in a very literal sense, since religion, at its root, is not about God and the supernatural, but rather about what is sacred. According to the theology of progressive believers, bigotry is the Great Satan, the source of all the evil that has ever afflicted humanity, and as such it is morally imperative for all virtuous people to fight it wherever it hides. And of course, it hides everywhere!

    I really think it's as simple as that. If an issue can be interpreted in terms of bigotry, then it must be interpreted in terms of bigotry. Any other considerations come second. If the fight against bigotry seems to conflict with other worthy causes, then you must readjust your thinking about those other causes so that there is no conflict. The fight against bigotry must always comes first.

    I was just thinking the same thing the other day – maybe “liberalism” is best understood as a religion that elevates racism/bigotry to be the number one sin that transcends all others.

    This explains the excessive level of condemnation of people, including historical figures, as just being pure evil because they exhibited some racial prejudice. As opposed to seeing an individual as complex, flawed in some ways good in others, etc. – instead you get branded a “bigot” and you’re one-dimensional pure evil.

    Since this “religion” arose in the West, maybe it’s best understood as a sort of Christian heresy. I think that blogger Mencius Moldbug made a similar point years ago, I might have to go back and re-read.

    It’s like they dropped certain aspects of Christianity (supernatural beliefs, sexual morality) but kept others (compassion for the poor and downtrodden). They removed or downplayed some of the Ten Commandments (adultery, coveting) and made Thou Shalt Not Be Bigoted the first commandment carved in an extra large and bold font.

    I was raised Catholic but consider myself non-religious. I’m not a true believer in Christianity or in this new Liberalism religion. Nonetheless I actually find traditional Christianity much more appealing in general than this creepy new cult pseudo-religion. Christianity has a much more sensible view of human nature overall.

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    Since this “religion” arose in the West, maybe it’s best understood as a sort of Christian heresy. I think that blogger Mencius Moldbug made a similar point years ago, I might have to go back and re-read.

    It’s like they dropped certain aspects of Christianity (supernatural beliefs, sexual morality) but kept others (compassion for the poor and downtrodden). They removed or downplayed some of the Ten Commandments (adultery, coveting) and made Thou Shalt Not Be Bigoted the first commandment carved in an extra large and bold font.
     
    Moldbug went on endlessly (as is his style) about how liberalism is a Godless form of Christianity.

    As Nietsche would have it, Christianity is a slave morality. The downtrodden, and those who consciously eschew material wealth and social power, are more holy than those obsessed with and successful at acquiring wealth and power. As the Christ said, "More easily will a camel pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man enter the Kingdom of God." Matthew 19:24.

    Liberalism is slave morality with no sense of God or an afterlife, which makes people insanely attached to bringing about a perfect world on Earth. Thus the unhinged, rabid nature of many liberals--there is only this existence to them, so achieving a "perfect" world is not subject to compromise.

    (Personally, I believe that all true morality is slave morality, for master morality a la Viking rapists, Muslim rapists, the Third Reich's master race deal etc. is not morality. It's gratification of base impulses.)
    , @AM

    I was raised Catholic but consider myself non-religious. I’m not a true believer in Christianity or in this new Liberalism religion. Nonetheless I actually find traditional Christianity much more appealing in general than this creepy new cult pseudo-religion. Christianity has a much more sensible view of human nature overall.
     
    To me, there are only 2 leaps of faith in Catholicism: The God loves us and that Christ was the Son of that God. After that, everything in Catholicism falls out of reason and observation. That's why it's more appealing, at least in my mind. It actually makes much more sense and with the probably large exception of dealing with Christ as Son of God, doesn't actually ask you to believe in very much that you cannot at least experience at some level.
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  128. @a guy
    I know a girl like this , a cousin through marriage . Everyone else in her family are Trump supporters or apolitical . Her favorite cause is Palestinians . I always ask her opinion on Darfur , Papua ,Cyprus ,Tibet ,Biafra , Western Sahara , Kurdistan , and ongoing slavery in the Islamic countries which enrages her . Her family loves my antics .

    She also fancies herself a gay rights activist . I have asked her many times how she reconciles this with the fact that homosexuality is illegal and punishable by the death penalty in many Islamic states including Palestinian territories. Never got an answer . My guess is that these sort of people are the proverbial useful idiots ?

    The goal is to have a civil war in the west between muslims and Americans/Europeans, the weaker the west is, the strong israel will become in their eyes.

    Its about lowering out ability to fight back as a united front.

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  129. hyperbola says:
    @International Jew

    So the entire West is being dragged down in part by the weird psycho-dramas spwaned by this one tiny tribe
     
    Are you blaming us for Merkel too? And the Italian navy?

    Well, remember that young Angela Merkel was a protege of Lord Weidenfeld, the head of the British Zionist Federation.

    Angela Merkel Is A Zionist Sock Puppet

    http://www.blacklistednews.com/Angela_Merkel_Is_A_Zionist_Sock_Puppet/33673/0/5/5/Y/M.html

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  130. Hosswire says:

    I believe that Muslims, for all their thuggisness & glowering malice, simply do not scare Jews the way White Christian men do.
    Though violent, Muslims are also unintelligent, highly emotional & corrupt. So Jews assume they can control them, one way or another.
    Awakened Saxons, on the other hand, are a different story.
    Replacing whites with Muslims would create a low-level, manageable threat but eliminate an existential one.

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    "I believe that Muslims, for all their thuggisness & glowering malice, simply do not scare Jews the way White Christian men do."

    White Christian men do not "scare" anyone. Philippians 2:3--> Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves.

    "Though violent, Muslims are also unintelligent, highly emotional & corrupt."

    Then how did they built up thriving civilizations, past and present?

    "Awakened Saxons, on the other hand, are a different story."

    White Americans generally do not refer to themselves as "Saxons". Furthermore, are you awoke? How do you plan to convince your fellow "Saxons"?

    "Replacing whites with Muslims would create a low-level, manageable threat but eliminate an existential one."

    Assuming that Jews as a whole constitute a "threat"--or for that matter, Muslims. Methinks you are projecting your own insecurities.
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  131. Erik L says:

    Discussed this with my liberal uncle (Harvard law, retired) a couple years ago. His reason? Both groups have been oppressed by the same people (white European males I assume). Sometimes I think Jews may be smart, but we ain’t so wise.

    I also think sometimes that on a subconscious level we need to feel oppressed and recently you American gentiles have been slacking. Sure you keep putting up Christmas decorations in public spaces every year, but we miss that old fashioned antisemitism. How many of my generation can brag we got beat up as kids just for being Jewish?

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    Do you think this animus against white Christians really stems from fear of assimilation?
    , @Jay Fink
    By the time I was in school in the 70s/80s not only did I not feel any threats to get beat up for being Jewish, my sense is nobody cared in the least. The one exception was an issue of classification. A classmate of mine was talking about his German heritage and how proud he was of it. His mother was a German immigrant. He asked me what my nationality was. I told him I was Jewish and he got angry "That's a religion not a nationality". He was so passionate about this point that I thought he was going to hit me. He did make me feel stupid though and I went decades thinking he was right, Judaism is a religon not an ethnicity.

    It is only fairly recently, in this age of genetic testing, that I became aware that Judiasm or at least being Ashkenazi is a specific ethnic group. My instinct as a kid was exactly right. In my case I am 98.5% Ashkenazi but my religion isn't Jewish because I have never practiced it. All I knew about religon growing up is my dad talking about how crazy and scary religous Christians are. Most of his Christian bashing was done with a sense of humor. That was pretty much my religous education.

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  132. @Rod1963
    Whatever hurts the whites, they are for.

    BUT this is not a Jewish thing though. It's a Lefty thing. You'll find Lefty whites fully embracing it, no questions asked. You find the same mentality among gays,lesbians, trannies, feminists, the Hollywood set, large segments of academia, the "good whites", the beltway crowd, Wall Street, etc.

    For some they see Muslims as a way of crushing whites and the existing order, some see them as a way to leverage themselves into more power, others use them to dissolve the state so it can become part of the new global order.

    Point is lots on the Left support Islam for different reasons. Some aren't even on the Left like globalists who want it for their own reasons.

    If we just focus on the tribe we take our eyes off all the other players in this. We can't afford to.

    If we just focus on the tribe we take our eyes off all the other players in this. We can’t afford to.

    Yes, you are right, of course. But as Maj. Kong points out somewhere in this thread the small end of the anti-white megaphone often has a Jewish voice amplified by money and influence, and driven by animosity. OTOH we have Stephen Miller, and others, on our side.

    So my conclusion is the enemy is the Left. And the only way the Left wins is through the immigration invasion.

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    I dunno about winning with immigrants; because, what kind of immigrant becomes the wild card? When I think back fondly, about my son's soccer playing years, his team was comprised of: a Russian, a Bosnian, 3 Peruvians, a Tobago (an?), a Puerto Rican, a German (dad working for German corp in USA), a Jamaican...and, the last 8 guys were a hodgepodge of Americans of European decent; some going back to the early 1700's in New England. Boys were from private schools, Catholic schools, public schools, and one, home-schooled.

    Playing on this premier team was costly, so, parents did what they could to make sure their son will be on this team - it was very good team, btw. We had a lot of good times for 4 years at tournaments....staying together (parents and players) in hotels (thank goodness for those fire-pit & byob hotels with decent breakfasts!) - sharing food and drink to celebrate victories; or agree that the boys "got robbed." What did I learn? The immigrant parents were full-bore Republicans!

    One of the Peruvian couples told me that they worked very hard (cleaning hotels for a few years at the airport upon arrival - legally) until they could get the licensing and credentials (the education they had in their home country) in order to get better jobs as a mechanic and nurse.

    All of these immigrant parents were successful...we spent so many years on the road that we shared our hopes and dreams for our boys. What I fondly remember is that so many of them were more patriotic than today's so-called Progressives - many who have been here for generations. They had lived under crazy dictators, governments who robbed their people of any social programs/education/healthcare, and the worst, the instability of a narco-state. So, I have a different perspective of immigrants...and ones who try to assimilate with all the energy they have.

    Of course, we had some boys that were wealthy (both immigrant and US citizen), but, the boys whose parents worked their butts off to join mainstream America, were like their parents: knew the sacrifices their parents made...again...legally. And, their parents always had the latest iPhone, and the biggest, baddest Escalade or Suburban....so not like my ancient Sienna! One of my Latina friends from the past asked me why my husband doesn't buy me a new car, and, my response was: I don't want him to because we spend about $15,000 a year on flight tickets...because we need to fly to see family, mostly. She understood in a heartbeat.

    My point is, after an epic meandering: I have found hard working (of course, these folks I mentioned, had some sort of education before arriving to the USA, so, there is that) immigrants, who become financially solvent, all are Republicans....every single one on our team of many years ago. Like I said, I saw American flags on bumpers of Escalades, Suburbans, F 150's, Hummers (still on the road - Hummers in the early 2000's was a sign: I've got a shit ton of money.

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  133. Corvinus says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    My Jewish in-laws are also quick to leap to the defense of Muslims whenever I make a disparaging comment about them. "Not all of them are problem, only a tiny minority," I was scolded. I responded, "Isn't it remarkable that that tiny minority you speak of has been enough to change our whole way of life in the West, from the security at airports and government buildings to the way women are advised to dress and conduct themselves in Muslim-infested European cities?"

    They really seem to think of Muslims as honorary Jews. I don't get it. Is it just because the Goyim are discomfited by Muslim immigration that they're for it, the way blacks will support their own displacement by Hispanics as long as it displeases whites? Do they think that if Jews had made common cause with the Nazis early on that the Holocaust might have been avoided?

    “Isn’t it remarkable that that tiny minority you speak of has been enough to change our whole way of life in the West, from the security at airports and government buildings to the way women are advised to dress and conduct themselves in Muslim-infested European cities?”

    It has changed life remarkably in the United States from the safety standpoint. And it is remarkable given how America’s foreign policies are coming home to roost because a particular subset of Muslims are bastardizing their faith for their own demonic ends.

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    And it is remarkable given how America’s foreign policies are coming home to roost because a particular subset of Muslims are bastardizing their faith for their own demonic ends.
     
    Who are you - an outsider - to define their faith for them? If they think killing infidels is part of their true faith, then that's part of their true faith. And that particular "subset" of Muslims has, according to numerous public opinion polls, the support of a large plurality (at least) of Muslims.

    One in four Muslims sympathises with motives of terrorists

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  134. Corvinus says:
    @Hosswire
    I believe that Muslims, for all their thuggisness & glowering malice, simply do not scare Jews the way White Christian men do.
    Though violent, Muslims are also unintelligent, highly emotional & corrupt. So Jews assume they can control them, one way or another.
    Awakened Saxons, on the other hand, are a different story.
    Replacing whites with Muslims would create a low-level, manageable threat but eliminate an existential one.

    “I believe that Muslims, for all their thuggisness & glowering malice, simply do not scare Jews the way White Christian men do.”

    White Christian men do not “scare” anyone. Philippians 2:3–> Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves.

    “Though violent, Muslims are also unintelligent, highly emotional & corrupt.”

    Then how did they built up thriving civilizations, past and present?

    “Awakened Saxons, on the other hand, are a different story.”

    White Americans generally do not refer to themselves as “Saxons”. Furthermore, are you awoke? How do you plan to convince your fellow “Saxons”?

    “Replacing whites with Muslims would create a low-level, manageable threat but eliminate an existential one.”

    Assuming that Jews as a whole constitute a “threat”–or for that matter, Muslims. Methinks you are projecting your own insecurities.

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    Then how did they built up thriving civilizations, past and present?
     
    They didn't do so. They conquered other civilizations and stole what they had to offer for the most part.

    You think the Ottoman empire was a thriving civilization? Perhaps, in the same way a colony of army-ants is thriving. Would you want to have lived there?
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  135. @Anonymous
    It's amazing how this tiny minority (Jews, not Muslims) has total capture of American public discourse.

    We must import Muslims on pain of recommitting the Holocaust. (Anne Frank Center, etc., etc.,)

    We must ban Muslims because they're rabid anti-Israel anti-Semites. (The David Horowitz/Pamela Geller style.)

    And for Gentiles too these are also the only possible modes of expression.

    Insightful comment.

    Frankly, I’m just so bored of having to hear about Jews all the time.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A13vj5vdlCU

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  136. @NickG

    I wonder if Muslims love American Jews back?
     
    Jew hatred amongst Muslims is beyond endemic, it's close to ubiquitous.
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  137. @f, dj
    Perhaps it is slowly beginning to dawn on Steve that progressive American Jews do not care all that much about the interests of Israel or the Jewish people generally. Like other progressive whites, they just care about being progressive.

    Perhaps it is slowly beginning to dawn on Steve

    I wish that were true, but I don’t see any evidence for it.

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  138. Broski says:
    @Parbes
    Exactly. Perhaps the strongest and most vocal promoter of the U.S./NATO attacks on Serbia in support of the causes of Muslim Bosnia and Muslim Kosovo among leading U.S. politicians at the time, was the Hungarian Jewish-origin congressman Tom Lantos (who has since croaked - unfortunately in peace, rather than hanging from a gallows). This disgusting Zionist openly stated, at one point, that the U.S./NATO attack against the Serbs was being done to demonstrate to the Muslim world that the West does not always side against Muslims - i.e., sacrificing a small, traditionally pro-Russian and Orthodox Christian European nation by ACTIVELY ATTACKING THEM IN A PREMEDITATED MANNER, in order to gain some temporary plaudits from Muslims and deflect Muslim anger away from the U.S. and Israel.

    Note that the same Serbs had put up one of the hardest fights against the German Nazi troops in WWII, and had saved many Jews from the Nazis.

    The Serbs disgraced themselves with their treatment of the Bosnians. That was a bona fide attempt at genocide. Among their tactics was to rape women until they got pregnant, then release them to have their Serb Y-chromosome children. That they got slammed a bit 4 years later is not something I’m losing sleep over.

    Something shitty in that episode, though, was that the air strikes happened to commence the same day as some huge news event in the Clinton impeachment saga (I forget what, Clinton testifying? Something big). Thus it was nakedly obvious that Bill Clinton and his scum squad chose to do a bit of killing to massage the news cycle.

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    How gullible and naive must one be to believe such blatant and ludicrous propaganda? Not to mention, your muddled knowledge of the events in question leads you to mix up two related, but distinct and very different episodes (the Bosnian War (1992-1995) and the Kosovo War (1999)). Of course, no one can know everything, but a little humility when pontificating on unfamiliar topics wouldn't go amiss.
    , @Parbes
    I see that you're recoursing to the standard Western MSM "atrocity porn" propaganda line against the Serbs. My statement about the U.S. and Zionists deliberately sacrificing Serbia to deflect Muslim anger away from themselves must have struck a raw nerve (Jewboy?).

    Your proof about any of the allegations above (especially the mendacious "attempted genocide" insinuation)? And no - "I read or heard it on the lying, anti-Serb biased Western MSM of the time" doesn't count. Most of the deliberate untruths and exaggerations about the 1990s Balkan wars, the Serbs, Milosevic etc. which were included in the "reporting" of these disingenuous propagandists posing as "journalists", who specialize in twisting the truth and spinning lies out of whole cloth whenever there is an official "enemy" to be demonized in a conflict situation, were debunked soon after the end of the wars - i.e., when it was too late and the lies had already had their intended effect of bringing about the "humanitarian" intervention.

    And talking about atrocities - few belligerents anywhere in the world even come close to the U.S. and its allies like Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkey etc. when it comes to massacre and atrocities inflicted on civilians. Just the crimes committed by the U.S. in the Iraq invasion and subsequent occupation only - a war of pure, premeditated criminal aggression based on purposeful lies and conducted halfway around the world, as opposed to Serbs fighting for their home territory - dwarf, by an order of magnitude, anything that the Serbs did in the broken-up Yugoslavia of the 1990s. What about the comeuppance for those who designed and carried out that? I certainly don't see you and your ilk bloviating about any punishment for that??

    The truth of the matter is: U.S. and other Western nations such as Germany had been plotting for decades to bring down Yugoslavia, a model of an independent, successful and internationally respected European federal socialist country. After the downfall of the Soviet Union and the takeover of Russia by the worthless drunkard Western poodle Yeltsin, they saw their opening and worked with native ethnic and religious separatists (such as the "leader" of Muslim Bosnia, Alija Izzetbegovic, a dyed-in-the-wool Islamist) to dismember the country into a bunch of mini-statelets based on the principle of chauvinistic micro-nationalism (which the U.S. elites love to cultivate around the world as a divide-and-conquer tactic against countries they have marked for destruction). This inevitably led to conflicts escalating into civil war, due to the ethno-religious mosaic structure of the Yugoslav population. In the resulting civil war, ALL the parties involved engaged in atrocities against each other's population; however the U.S., as it always does in such situations, came down squarely on the side of ONE party to the conflict and declared the other party (which the U.S. elites had ALREADY been hostile to and targeted for elimination beforehand) as guilty of "crimes", a "threat", etc. - meaning they could be bombed, invaded and crushed at will without any regard for facts, history, complexities of the conflict, or any sense of fairness, balance or reason. In this case, the party targeted for demonization and destruction were the Serbs - with the added bonus that they could be used as a sacrificial offering, in true Judeo-biblical manner, to placate the Muslim world and shift their anger away from the U.S. and Israel.

    Funny, though; because in the end the perfidy didn't even work out well for the U.S. itself - a few years later, Muslims carried out 9/11 anyway.

    The ingrate Zios like the vile Tom Lantos, however, who sold out and backstabbed their WWII saviors the Serbs, suffered very little.
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  139. Broski says:
    @Loveofknowledge
    I was just thinking the same thing the other day - maybe "liberalism" is best understood as a religion that elevates racism/bigotry to be the number one sin that transcends all others.

    This explains the excessive level of condemnation of people, including historical figures, as just being pure evil because they exhibited some racial prejudice. As opposed to seeing an individual as complex, flawed in some ways good in others, etc. - instead you get branded a "bigot" and you're one-dimensional pure evil.

    Since this "religion" arose in the West, maybe it's best understood as a sort of Christian heresy. I think that blogger Mencius Moldbug made a similar point years ago, I might have to go back and re-read.

    It's like they dropped certain aspects of Christianity (supernatural beliefs, sexual morality) but kept others (compassion for the poor and downtrodden). They removed or downplayed some of the Ten Commandments (adultery, coveting) and made Thou Shalt Not Be Bigoted the first commandment carved in an extra large and bold font.

    I was raised Catholic but consider myself non-religious. I'm not a true believer in Christianity or in this new Liberalism religion. Nonetheless I actually find traditional Christianity much more appealing in general than this creepy new cult pseudo-religion. Christianity has a much more sensible view of human nature overall.

    Since this “religion” arose in the West, maybe it’s best understood as a sort of Christian heresy. I think that blogger Mencius Moldbug made a similar point years ago, I might have to go back and re-read.

    It’s like they dropped certain aspects of Christianity (supernatural beliefs, sexual morality) but kept others (compassion for the poor and downtrodden). They removed or downplayed some of the Ten Commandments (adultery, coveting) and made Thou Shalt Not Be Bigoted the first commandment carved in an extra large and bold font.

    Moldbug went on endlessly (as is his style) about how liberalism is a Godless form of Christianity.

    As Nietsche would have it, Christianity is a slave morality. The downtrodden, and those who consciously eschew material wealth and social power, are more holy than those obsessed with and successful at acquiring wealth and power. As the Christ said, “More easily will a camel pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man enter the Kingdom of God.” Matthew 19:24.

    Liberalism is slave morality with no sense of God or an afterlife, which makes people insanely attached to bringing about a perfect world on Earth. Thus the unhinged, rabid nature of many liberals–there is only this existence to them, so achieving a “perfect” world is not subject to compromise.

    (Personally, I believe that all true morality is slave morality, for master morality a la Viking rapists, Muslim rapists, the Third Reich’s master race deal etc. is not morality. It’s gratification of base impulses.)

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  140. Anon 2 says:
    @songbird
    I have two conflicting theories.

    First is that it is pure antipathy paired with historical ignorance. Ashkenazi have been out of the Middle East for a long time, perhaps, even before the Islamic conquest, if they entered Northern Europe from Rome. Christians are their Great Other. And many of the most liberal have a natural paranoia that reaches back into the distant, foggy past. They imagine that all their maternal ancestors gave birth at the stake and the babies were spirited away to be raised as Jews again, only to themselves be consumed by flames as they gave birth again, in an endless cycle, up to recent times.

    Probably many more "witches" were burnt in Europe than Jews, and probably less "witches" in Europe than much of the rest of the world. Medieval times were not fun for anyone. At any rate, the fact that the overwhelming majority of Jews are European or that Ashkenazi had a founding population of only a few hundred and are now over ten million (perhaps the most successful and fruitful people in historical times) are likely unknown. As is the fact that Jews in Spain eventually left the Islamic kingdoms in mass to travel to the Christian ones.

    My second theory is that it is pure egalitarianism. No hard feelings, just instinct. Hypocritical, of course (who isn't?) but not antipathic, at least in origin. It is very easy to come up with both of these theories from facebook posts.

    “Ashkenazi had a founding population of only a few hundred”

    I think that’s a serious underestimate. At the time of Jesus of Nazareth
    the Jews were one of the largest groups in the Mediterranean basin –
    numbering 10-12 million. Outside Palestine they lived in places like
    Alexandria, Corinth, Ephesus, Rome, etc. The standard claim is that
    the Jewish population today is numerically about the same as two
    thousand years ago

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    My guess would be there were a lot of conversions. Forced or otherwise induced (for instance, by onerous taxes) during the Islamic conquest, quite similar to what happened to the Christians or smaller faith groups. For instance, on the Anatolian pennisula, there are practically zero Christians now, when once easily above 90% of the population was Christian. Of course, it is also probably true that many Jews became Christians, willingly or otherwise.

    I can't pretend to understand the exact math, but, purely in terms of genetic similarity, Ashkenazi are all like 4th or 5th cousins to each other. This precludes there having been a large founding population. The exact era that it was founded is a bit harder to pin down.
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  141. @f, dj
    Perhaps it is slowly beginning to dawn on Steve that progressive American Jews do not care all that much about the interests of Israel or the Jewish people generally. Like other progressive whites, they just care about being progressive.

    if the mass of American Jewry disagree with AIPAC, I sure have missed that dissent. For example, when Walt and Mearsheimer book came out , the authors were told that their careers would never progress from this point. Was there dissent ? how many invitations to campuses have they received? did their critics receive any rebukes from the mass of American Jewry?

    I wonder how many US universities even carry a copy of their book. I would say that the bulk of American Jewry remain deeply committed to suppressing any widespread discussion of Israel and the burden it imposes on the US.

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    >I wonder how many US universities even carry a copy of their book.

    I bought a copy for our local library and it was featured for 24 hours on the "New Books" shelf. The first person that checked it out never returned it, nor did our library pursue the return of the masterpiece.
    , @kaganovitch
    "I wonder how many US universities even carry a copy of their book. I would say that the bulk of American Jewry remain deeply committed to suppressing any widespread discussion of Israel and the burden it imposes on the US."

    You will be happy to know (in your case more likely unhappy to know , I guess) that no less than 1,235 US libraries have a copy. Many have multiple copies. Another beautiful theory slain by an ugly fact.
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  142. Jake says:
    @Perspective
    Actress Mayim Bialik said she would register as a Muslim so that she could appear on Trump's non-existent Muslim ban list. This bizarre hysteria is not just confined to Jews, much of Antifa is made up of non-Jewish Whites who want to obliterate the civilization their ancestors likely built and participated in. I simply can't wrap my head around such nonsense, is there a term that best describes this? Is it some cult suicide pact?

    Cultural suicide is the best phrase.

    I say it is a given from the West having having rebelled against Christendom, and has its ethnic foundation in Germanic Gotterdammerung.

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  143. KenH says:
    @Dr. X
    Why are liberal Jews Islamophilic? I think it's a classic case of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." What they're really afraid of is rural, conservative, American Christians.

    In turn, these conservative Christians regard Muslims as heathen, so the Jews have made a de facto alliance with the Muslims because they don't think that Muslims in America will ever have sufficient numbers to actually threaten Jewish interests... but Christians do.

    Indeed, I think that this dynamic also explains Jewish Negrophilia in America.

    Muslims are still very tiny. Only like 1.5% of the U.S. population. But it’s another minority group to coddle and weaponize against the white majority.

    Negroes, even at 13% of the population, simply don’t have the brains, group wealth or discipline to ever threaten the Jewish power structure and they know it.

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  144. Stealth says:
    @Dmitry134564
    Rather strange how you guys seem to imagine Jews have some kind of hive-mind. It's a bunch of people with very different views amongst themselves.

    No hive mind necessary.

    It does seem that a great many Jews are, figuratively speaking, “allergic” to Christianity, and are indeed prejudiced against white Christians. It gets mentioned frequently around these parts that Jews outmarry at a very high rate. Be that as it may, I’d be willing to bet that in nine out of ten cases where one partner converts to the other’s religion, it’s the Christian who has to do so.

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    Not really true on an anecdotal basis. Liberal Jewish journalists give very positive coverage of Christian-Jewish intermarriage and other interfaith activities. For example, Mark Oppenheimer writes: https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2017/08/24/when-jew-and-catholic-marry

    The current Pope is also very popular amongst Reform Jews at the moment.

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  145. Stealth says:
    @Erik L
    Discussed this with my liberal uncle (Harvard law, retired) a couple years ago. His reason? Both groups have been oppressed by the same people (white European males I assume). Sometimes I think Jews may be smart, but we ain't so wise.

    I also think sometimes that on a subconscious level we need to feel oppressed and recently you American gentiles have been slacking. Sure you keep putting up Christmas decorations in public spaces every year, but we miss that old fashioned antisemitism. How many of my generation can brag we got beat up as kids just for being Jewish?

    Do you think this animus against white Christians really stems from fear of assimilation?

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    I wouldn't say so. I wouldn't even call it animus. It's complex. On the one hand I think humans have a natural instinct to pick a position and defend it reflexively and pick groups and oppose them reflexively. Every Jew I know is assimilated and wants it that way. Many grew up with this idea that Jews are accepted as first class regular US citizens...except sometimes and that bugs them. Others just enjoy the opportunity to play martyr every so often.

    The refugee obsession seems similar to the way Jews of my dad's generation felt about civil rights for blacks. It's a little bit morally superior (and you need someone to be morally superior to) and a little bit paternalistic. It also helped accomplish a pretty good goal and being recognized as one of history's "good guys" is pretty satisfying. You hear a lot of talk about being on the right side of history.

    In summary I don't think it is fear of assimilation. Jews greatest resentment in the US has been they feel almost but never quite accepted
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  146. Stealth says:
    @Lot

    Are you blaming us for Merkel too?
     
    Jews can't stop Germany and Sweden from funding Hamas-controlled Gaza, trading with Iran, and boycotting Israeli products, but can force them to import a million Arabs.

    Jews had so little influence in the USA they could not get us to admit their co-ethnics fleeing for their lives during WWII, but had so much influence they got the USA into WWII. (You say it was Japan that bombed Pearl Harbor and Germany that declared war on the USA? But that was all part of Roosevjew's plan!)

    Jews had so little influence in 1956 they could not get the USA to join Israel, UK and France to occupy and reopen the Suez Canal, but so much influence in 1965 that they got Congress to pass the Immigration and Nationality Act by 76-18 in the Senate and 320-70 in the House*)

    (*All 10 Congressmen and six senators from Kansas, Montana, and Nebraska voted for the 1965 bill. Jews were especially powerful there in the mid 1960's. Congressman Cellar just had to snap his fingers.)

    Jews had so little influence in 1956 they could not get the USA to join Israel, UK and France to occupy and reopen the Suez Canal, but so much influence in 1965 that they got Congress to pass the Immigration and Nationality Act by 76-18 in the Senate and 320-70 in the House*)

    You’re saying that the Jewish community was not a driving force behind the ’65 immigration act?

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  147. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus
    "Isn’t it remarkable that that tiny minority you speak of has been enough to change our whole way of life in the West, from the security at airports and government buildings to the way women are advised to dress and conduct themselves in Muslim-infested European cities?”

    It has changed life remarkably in the United States from the safety standpoint. And it is remarkable given how America's foreign policies are coming home to roost because a particular subset of Muslims are bastardizing their faith for their own demonic ends.

    And it is remarkable given how America’s foreign policies are coming home to roost because a particular subset of Muslims are bastardizing their faith for their own demonic ends.

    Who are you – an outsider – to define their faith for them? If they think killing infidels is part of their true faith, then that’s part of their true faith. And that particular “subset” of Muslims has, according to numerous public opinion polls, the support of a large plurality (at least) of Muslims.

    One in four Muslims sympathises with motives of terrorists

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    "Who are you – an outsider – to define their faith for them?"

    Actually, that is what YOU are doing here by insisting Muslims be removed en mass by force from America.

    "If they think killing infidels is part of their true faith, then that’s part of their true faith."

    Except Radical Islam is NOT the true faith. Please educate yourself on this matter.

    https://ing.org/global-condemnations-of-isis-isil/

    "And that particular “subset” of Muslims has, according to numerous public opinion polls, the support of a large plurality (at least) of Muslims."

    The source you linked to indicated that "Taken as a whole, the findings of YouGov's survey suggest that, although large numbers of British Muslims dislike British society and in some cases may be tempted to attack it, the great majority are loyal and law-abiding and are unlikely to provide the radicals with moral support, let alone safe havens."

    Moreover, the sample size was 526 Muslim adults across Great Britain.

    "They didn’t do so. They conquered other civilizations and stole what they had to offer for the most part."

    Again, educate yourself. Mesopotamia, the area between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers), is referred to as the "cradle of civilization" because it is the first place where complex urban centers developed and thrived.

    "You think the Ottoman empire was a thriving civilization? Perhaps, in the same way a colony of army-ants is thriving. Would you want to have lived there?"

    There are a host of resources out there that discusses the importance of the Ottoman Empire as well as their contributions to our world. Would you like to know more, citizen, or remain ignorant?
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  148. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus
    "I believe that Muslims, for all their thuggisness & glowering malice, simply do not scare Jews the way White Christian men do."

    White Christian men do not "scare" anyone. Philippians 2:3--> Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves.

    "Though violent, Muslims are also unintelligent, highly emotional & corrupt."

    Then how did they built up thriving civilizations, past and present?

    "Awakened Saxons, on the other hand, are a different story."

    White Americans generally do not refer to themselves as "Saxons". Furthermore, are you awoke? How do you plan to convince your fellow "Saxons"?

    "Replacing whites with Muslims would create a low-level, manageable threat but eliminate an existential one."

    Assuming that Jews as a whole constitute a "threat"--or for that matter, Muslims. Methinks you are projecting your own insecurities.

    Then how did they built up thriving civilizations, past and present?

    They didn’t do so. They conquered other civilizations and stole what they had to offer for the most part.

    You think the Ottoman empire was a thriving civilization? Perhaps, in the same way a colony of army-ants is thriving. Would you want to have lived there?

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  149. Erik L says:
    @Stealth
    Do you think this animus against white Christians really stems from fear of assimilation?

    I wouldn’t say so. I wouldn’t even call it animus. It’s complex. On the one hand I think humans have a natural instinct to pick a position and defend it reflexively and pick groups and oppose them reflexively. Every Jew I know is assimilated and wants it that way. Many grew up with this idea that Jews are accepted as first class regular US citizens…except sometimes and that bugs them. Others just enjoy the opportunity to play martyr every so often.

    The refugee obsession seems similar to the way Jews of my dad’s generation felt about civil rights for blacks. It’s a little bit morally superior (and you need someone to be morally superior to) and a little bit paternalistic. It also helped accomplish a pretty good goal and being recognized as one of history’s “good guys” is pretty satisfying. You hear a lot of talk about being on the right side of history.

    In summary I don’t think it is fear of assimilation. Jews greatest resentment in the US has been they feel almost but never quite accepted

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    Maybe "assimilation" was a little too vague. I apologize. I mean conversion.
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  150. @Stealth
    No hive mind necessary.

    It does seem that a great many Jews are, figuratively speaking, "allergic" to Christianity, and are indeed prejudiced against white Christians. It gets mentioned frequently around these parts that Jews outmarry at a very high rate. Be that as it may, I'd be willing to bet that in nine out of ten cases where one partner converts to the other's religion, it's the Christian who has to do so.

    Not really true on an anecdotal basis. Liberal Jewish journalists give very positive coverage of Christian-Jewish intermarriage and other interfaith activities. For example, Mark Oppenheimer writes: https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2017/08/24/when-jew-and-catholic-marry

    The current Pope is also very popular amongst Reform Jews at the moment.

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    Yes, I know of two Jewish-Catholic marriages in my extended family and in both the kids were Catholic.
    , @Stealth
    From the article you linked to:

    He took down the crosses. They have agreed to raise their daughter, Sima, now 6, as a Jew, which he said felt natural to him, both because he had deep experience with Judaism and because his theology had predisposed him to a sympathy with the Jewish story.
     
    and...

    And they agreed that one could not coherently raise a child “in both traditions.” She insisted that their children—they have a daughter and a son, now grown—would be raised as Jews.
     
    Even though neither husband crossed over, I think this supports what I wrote in that comment. These women were not going to allow their children to be raised as Christians.
    , @Brutusale
    I've been to the bar/bat mitzvahs of 4 sets of offspring of Jew/Christian marriages. No First Communions or confirmations attended yet, and I don't expect any.

    Anecdotal, but 100% is tough to argue with.
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  151. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Desiderius
    This is more a class thing than a Jewish thing. The entire WASP establishment has been pushing the Islam = Religion of Peace nonsense since 9/11.

    All the white suburban schools in Cincinnati push it pretty regularly (it's part of the deracination training). I was at Princeton Seminary during 9/11 and two days after they had an imam in the pulpit at Miller Chapel for the first time.

    https://our.ptsem.edu/ics/Campus_Life/Chapel_Office/About_Miller_Chapel_and_Schiede_Hall.jnz

    It's a perfect storm of Niceanity (and the vanity that fuels it), late imperial squeaky-wheel greasing, and people kidding themselves that our hegemony is so unchallenged that we're obliged to be gracious rulers of our poor Muslim brothers.

    The Jews are just following the WASP lead as usual.

    “The Jews are just following the WASP lead as usual.”

    This is satire, right? Surely you don’t actually believe in this inverted interpretation of reality.

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    Yeah, that claim gets kind of old. I don't think Jewish Americans are just by-standers who are going along with the crowd.

    http://www.jpost.com/US-Elections/US-Jews-contribute-half-of-all-donations-to-the-Democratic-party-468774

    Half of the Democrats' donations and a quarter of the Republicans' donations are from the Jewish community, according to the article I just linked to. If that's an incorrect claim, it's one that's being promulgated by Jewish people themselves. Also according to Jewish sources, over half of the white freedom riders were Jewish.

    I'd say that such intense political activity strongly indicates that the Jewish community is a little more self-motivated.
    , @Desiderius
    It requires no belief.

    It is my ongoing lived experience.

    To obsess about Jews alone is merely to confess one's utter ignorance of the SWPLs/establishment that rules you and has for decades.

    https://nickbsteves.wordpress.com/foundational-readings/american-malvern/
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  152. I see a spectrum of Semites, shading from brown to lily. They have family quarrels, but their common enemy is the non-Semitic peoples. For example, the Jews sided with the Muslims against the Christians in Moorish Spain. And today some of the most powerful groups pushing for Muslim Europe are Jewish.

    Pam Geller is a gnat; Soros is a key and archetypal figure.

    Imagine if during the Irish “Troubles” a group of Englishmen living in Greece pushed hard to render Greece’s borders porous so that Irishmen could colonise the country.

    http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.com/2013/09/jewish-collaboration-with-muslims.html?m=1

    World events come into clearer focus when you strip away religious and ideological explanations (mere wind) and look just at the genetic differences among various tribes and sub-tribes. That is the key to a scientific historiography.

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2009/01/how-ashkenazi-jewish-are-you/#.Wa3W0p8pDqA

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  153. FLgeezer says:
    @DIscharged EE
    if the mass of American Jewry disagree with AIPAC, I sure have missed that dissent. For example, when Walt and Mearsheimer book came out , the authors were told that their careers would never progress from this point. Was there dissent ? how many invitations to campuses have they received? did their critics receive any rebukes from the mass of American Jewry?

    I wonder how many US universities even carry a copy of their book. I would say that the bulk of American Jewry remain deeply committed to suppressing any widespread discussion of Israel and the burden it imposes on the US.

    >I wonder how many US universities even carry a copy of their book.

    I bought a copy for our local library and it was featured for 24 hours on the “New Books” shelf. The first person that checked it out never returned it, nor did our library pursue the return of the masterpiece.

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    Let me guess. It wasn't good for the Jews.
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  154. @newrouter
    Jordan Peterson: Why Feminists Love Islam and Hate the West

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XGBpi6SvqE

    Jordan Peterson is a cuck. I’ve listened to his youtubes and in the end he is worried about minorities and their lack of achievement. He acknowledges that IQ is the best predictor for success but as a typical cuck still believes in the fantasy that sometime can be done for them.

    The Muslim problem can be solved when the RCC states that Islam is a Christian heresy. But the RCC is a homosexual, Freemasonic, grand lodge so nothing useful can come out of that organization. Also, the RCC is looking to Africa to save itself.

    As a Caucasian woman, black/Asian men are inferior to me. Jews are also inferior males. Until we get some statements involving IQ, evolution and the need for separation, deportation, repatriation, we’ll be going round and round with these issues.

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  155. @Parbes
    Exactly. Perhaps the strongest and most vocal promoter of the U.S./NATO attacks on Serbia in support of the causes of Muslim Bosnia and Muslim Kosovo among leading U.S. politicians at the time, was the Hungarian Jewish-origin congressman Tom Lantos (who has since croaked - unfortunately in peace, rather than hanging from a gallows). This disgusting Zionist openly stated, at one point, that the U.S./NATO attack against the Serbs was being done to demonstrate to the Muslim world that the West does not always side against Muslims - i.e., sacrificing a small, traditionally pro-Russian and Orthodox Christian European nation by ACTIVELY ATTACKING THEM IN A PREMEDITATED MANNER, in order to gain some temporary plaudits from Muslims and deflect Muslim anger away from the U.S. and Israel.

    Note that the same Serbs had put up one of the hardest fights against the German Nazi troops in WWII, and had saved many Jews from the Nazis.

    Racist: yiddish word for “white.”

    Nazi: yiddish word for “not Semitic.”

    All kidding aside, in the Current Year these tongue-in-cheek definitions are nearly as descriptively accurate as any true one is. Test them.

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  156. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Dmitry134564
    Not really true on an anecdotal basis. Liberal Jewish journalists give very positive coverage of Christian-Jewish intermarriage and other interfaith activities. For example, Mark Oppenheimer writes: https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2017/08/24/when-jew-and-catholic-marry

    The current Pope is also very popular amongst Reform Jews at the moment.

    Yes, I know of two Jewish-Catholic marriages in my extended family and in both the kids were Catholic.

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  157. Stealth says:
    @Erik L
    I wouldn't say so. I wouldn't even call it animus. It's complex. On the one hand I think humans have a natural instinct to pick a position and defend it reflexively and pick groups and oppose them reflexively. Every Jew I know is assimilated and wants it that way. Many grew up with this idea that Jews are accepted as first class regular US citizens...except sometimes and that bugs them. Others just enjoy the opportunity to play martyr every so often.

    The refugee obsession seems similar to the way Jews of my dad's generation felt about civil rights for blacks. It's a little bit morally superior (and you need someone to be morally superior to) and a little bit paternalistic. It also helped accomplish a pretty good goal and being recognized as one of history's "good guys" is pretty satisfying. You hear a lot of talk about being on the right side of history.

    In summary I don't think it is fear of assimilation. Jews greatest resentment in the US has been they feel almost but never quite accepted

    Maybe “assimilation” was a little too vague. I apologize. I mean conversion.

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  158. Stealth says:
    @Dmitry134564
    Not really true on an anecdotal basis. Liberal Jewish journalists give very positive coverage of Christian-Jewish intermarriage and other interfaith activities. For example, Mark Oppenheimer writes: https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2017/08/24/when-jew-and-catholic-marry

    The current Pope is also very popular amongst Reform Jews at the moment.

    From the article you linked to:

    He took down the crosses. They have agreed to raise their daughter, Sima, now 6, as a Jew, which he said felt natural to him, both because he had deep experience with Judaism and because his theology had predisposed him to a sympathy with the Jewish story.

    and…

    And they agreed that one could not coherently raise a child “in both traditions.” She insisted that their children—they have a daughter and a son, now grown—would be raised as Jews.

    Even though neither husband crossed over, I think this supports what I wrote in that comment. These women were not going to allow their children to be raised as Christians.

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    The first notion you raised that ordinary liberal or secular Jews hate Christians and Christianity (despite 60% of all Jews in American marrying a Christian), is just so bizarre - and it makes me wonder if people have any exposure to pop culture and television at all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrismukkah

    The second notion, that the majority of children raised in interfaith marriages, are raised Jewish, is true in the US - 60% are raised Jewish to 20% being raised Christian. But historically it is certainly not true. In Russia, when Jews married Christians (which the majority of them did by the 1980s), they almost always had the children baptised. The difference is the incentives in the external environment - when being Jewish is a bad thing, then the children will likely not be raised Jewish. Where being Jewish is prestigious (as it is in today), then there is an incentive to raise your children Jewish.

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  159. songbird says:
    @Anon 2
    "Ashkenazi had a founding population of only a few hundred"

    I think that's a serious underestimate. At the time of Jesus of Nazareth
    the Jews were one of the largest groups in the Mediterranean basin -
    numbering 10-12 million. Outside Palestine they lived in places like
    Alexandria, Corinth, Ephesus, Rome, etc. The standard claim is that
    the Jewish population today is numerically about the same as two
    thousand years ago

    My guess would be there were a lot of conversions. Forced or otherwise induced (for instance, by onerous taxes) during the Islamic conquest, quite similar to what happened to the Christians or smaller faith groups. For instance, on the Anatolian pennisula, there are practically zero Christians now, when once easily above 90% of the population was Christian. Of course, it is also probably true that many Jews became Christians, willingly or otherwise.

    I can’t pretend to understand the exact math, but, purely in terms of genetic similarity, Ashkenazi are all like 4th or 5th cousins to each other. This precludes there having been a large founding population. The exact era that it was founded is a bit harder to pin down.

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  160. Stealth says:
    @Anonymous
    "The Jews are just following the WASP lead as usual."

    This is satire, right? Surely you don't actually believe in this inverted interpretation of reality.

    Yeah, that claim gets kind of old. I don’t think Jewish Americans are just by-standers who are going along with the crowd.

    http://www.jpost.com/US-Elections/US-Jews-contribute-half-of-all-donations-to-the-Democratic-party-468774

    Half of the Democrats’ donations and a quarter of the Republicans’ donations are from the Jewish community, according to the article I just linked to. If that’s an incorrect claim, it’s one that’s being promulgated by Jewish people themselves. Also according to Jewish sources, over half of the white freedom riders were Jewish.

    I’d say that such intense political activity strongly indicates that the Jewish community is a little more self-motivated.

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  161. @candid_observer
    I think the Tragedy of the Jews is that they have come to swallow their own exhaust.

    Once upon a time, it did indeed serve their purposes to push the identity politics agenda, and to argue that all minority groups were effectively oppressed, but were, inherently, every bit the equal to others, and deserved far greater acceptance in the majority society. This idea had immense appeal, and, in the good portion of the beginning of the twentieth century, some initial plausibility.

    But Jews, particularly the later generations among them, who were raised mostly with no alternative, more self-protective, point of view, couldn't get off this idea. The idea, meant in no small part as spin by earlier generations, took in the later generations like gullible marks. The belief that all groups were, at base, identical in their potential, was intoxicating in its vision and its concomitant rush of moral superiority.

    The problem is that Jews thereby created a Frankenstein monster that would, in time, eat them alive. The more secular among them have outmarried to a point of near self-elimination. They are, of course, the most despised of the enemies of Islam. Israel, once precious to American Jews, is increasingly regarded as an embarrassment.

    It may or may not be fair to lay the damage wrought by identity politics at the door of Jews. But there's little question that if whites generally suffer under it, then Jews are getting it even worse. Whites aren't going away anytime soon. Can anyone say that about the secular Jews?

    >The belief that all groups were, at base, identical in their potential, was intoxicating in its vision and its concomitant rush of moral superiority.

    “Concomitant rush of moral superiority” nails it. The belief means (for example) a neighbor’s failure to make the NBA college draft is not other than a character flaw or moral fault on his part – volitional, therefore blameworthy – and has nothing to do with the fact that he is 5’3″. He is a “bad person,” lazy, someone who CHOSE to be a loser. Whereas we, by contrast, can luxuriate in the knowledge of our hard-working moral uprightness, in self-congratulatory homilies, and in sneering contempt. Somehow that’s considered more helpful and respectful than simply shrugging and saying “guy’s a dwarf on the court.”

    There is a lot of immorality in morality.

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  162. AM says:
    @Jake
    It makes sense only 1 way, especially when you factor in the high average Jewish IQ. That one way is that historic Christian theology is true.

    Inn that case, then there is the fact that the entire Jewish reason for being was to be the people who would shelter revealed religion until the Incarnation, until Christ. if that is you reason for being, and you reject the Messias in order to follow a religion of racial focus, then you will do major psychological and spiritual damage to yourself. And that will lead your people, century after century, in country after country, to make it big, and destroy your people slowly in so doing.

    Jews will keep repeating that tragic trajectory until either most of them convert or else the Second Coming ends their chances to repent.

    Jews getting super filthy rich and unbelievably powerful after Hitler is Satan's best tool for keeping them in the camp of anti-Christ. Jews now romanticizing Moslems, determined to flood the entire Western world with Moslems, is Satan's best joke in some time.

    Inn that case, then there is the fact that the entire Jewish reason for being was to be the people who would shelter revealed religion until the Incarnation, until Christ. if that is you reason for being, and you reject the Messias in order to follow a religion of racial focus, then you will do major psychological and spiritual damage to yourself. And that will lead your people, century after century, in country after country, to make it big, and destroy your people slowly in so doing..

    I was agnostic for a very long time. In many ways, I had to rebuild Christianity brick by brick for myself.

    In some sort of cosmic joke (at least it feels to me), the most sensible explanation of Jewish behavior over the centuries is in fact the historical Christian one, which you have beautifully outlined here.

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  163. AM says:
    @Loveofknowledge
    I was just thinking the same thing the other day - maybe "liberalism" is best understood as a religion that elevates racism/bigotry to be the number one sin that transcends all others.

    This explains the excessive level of condemnation of people, including historical figures, as just being pure evil because they exhibited some racial prejudice. As opposed to seeing an individual as complex, flawed in some ways good in others, etc. - instead you get branded a "bigot" and you're one-dimensional pure evil.

    Since this "religion" arose in the West, maybe it's best understood as a sort of Christian heresy. I think that blogger Mencius Moldbug made a similar point years ago, I might have to go back and re-read.

    It's like they dropped certain aspects of Christianity (supernatural beliefs, sexual morality) but kept others (compassion for the poor and downtrodden). They removed or downplayed some of the Ten Commandments (adultery, coveting) and made Thou Shalt Not Be Bigoted the first commandment carved in an extra large and bold font.

    I was raised Catholic but consider myself non-religious. I'm not a true believer in Christianity or in this new Liberalism religion. Nonetheless I actually find traditional Christianity much more appealing in general than this creepy new cult pseudo-religion. Christianity has a much more sensible view of human nature overall.

    I was raised Catholic but consider myself non-religious. I’m not a true believer in Christianity or in this new Liberalism religion. Nonetheless I actually find traditional Christianity much more appealing in general than this creepy new cult pseudo-religion. Christianity has a much more sensible view of human nature overall.

    To me, there are only 2 leaps of faith in Catholicism: The God loves us and that Christ was the Son of that God. After that, everything in Catholicism falls out of reason and observation. That’s why it’s more appealing, at least in my mind. It actually makes much more sense and with the probably large exception of dealing with Christ as Son of God, doesn’t actually ask you to believe in very much that you cannot at least experience at some level.

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    To me, there are only 2 leaps of faith in Catholicism: The God loves us and that Christ was the Son of that God. After that, everything in Catholicism falls out of reason and observation. That’s why it’s more appealing, at least in my mind. It actually makes much more sense and with the probably large exception of dealing with Christ as Son of God ..

    Pleate explain the Trinity to us.

    The Old Man,the Kid, and the Spook -- Who is first among these equals? Are they not one in three, and three in one?
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  164. Jay Fink says:
    @Erik L
    Discussed this with my liberal uncle (Harvard law, retired) a couple years ago. His reason? Both groups have been oppressed by the same people (white European males I assume). Sometimes I think Jews may be smart, but we ain't so wise.

    I also think sometimes that on a subconscious level we need to feel oppressed and recently you American gentiles have been slacking. Sure you keep putting up Christmas decorations in public spaces every year, but we miss that old fashioned antisemitism. How many of my generation can brag we got beat up as kids just for being Jewish?

    By the time I was in school in the 70s/80s not only did I not feel any threats to get beat up for being Jewish, my sense is nobody cared in the least. The one exception was an issue of classification. A classmate of mine was talking about his German heritage and how proud he was of it. His mother was a German immigrant. He asked me what my nationality was. I told him I was Jewish and he got angry “That’s a religion not a nationality”. He was so passionate about this point that I thought he was going to hit me. He did make me feel stupid though and I went decades thinking he was right, Judaism is a religon not an ethnicity.

    It is only fairly recently, in this age of genetic testing, that I became aware that Judiasm or at least being Ashkenazi is a specific ethnic group. My instinct as a kid was exactly right. In my case I am 98.5% Ashkenazi but my religion isn’t Jewish because I have never practiced it. All I knew about religon growing up is my dad talking about how crazy and scary religous Christians are. Most of his Christian bashing was done with a sense of humor. That was pretty much my religous education.

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  165. Lagertha says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    If we just focus on the tribe we take our eyes off all the other players in this. We can’t afford to.
     
    Yes, you are right, of course. But as Maj. Kong points out somewhere in this thread the small end of the anti-white megaphone often has a Jewish voice amplified by money and influence, and driven by animosity. OTOH we have Stephen Miller, and others, on our side.

    So my conclusion is the enemy is the Left. And the only way the Left wins is through the immigration invasion.

    I dunno about winning with immigrants; because, what kind of immigrant becomes the wild card? When I think back fondly, about my son’s soccer playing years, his team was comprised of: a Russian, a Bosnian, 3 Peruvians, a Tobago (an?), a Puerto Rican, a German (dad working for German corp in USA), a Jamaican…and, the last 8 guys were a hodgepodge of Americans of European decent; some going back to the early 1700′s in New England. Boys were from private schools, Catholic schools, public schools, and one, home-schooled.

    Playing on this premier team was costly, so, parents did what they could to make sure their son will be on this team – it was very good team, btw. We had a lot of good times for 4 years at tournaments….staying together (parents and players) in hotels (thank goodness for those fire-pit & byob hotels with decent breakfasts!) – sharing food and drink to celebrate victories; or agree that the boys “got robbed.” What did I learn? The immigrant parents were full-bore Republicans!

    One of the Peruvian couples told me that they worked very hard (cleaning hotels for a few years at the airport upon arrival – legally) until they could get the licensing and credentials (the education they had in their home country) in order to get better jobs as a mechanic and nurse.

    All of these immigrant parents were successful…we spent so many years on the road that we shared our hopes and dreams for our boys. What I fondly remember is that so many of them were more patriotic than today’s so-called Progressives – many who have been here for generations. They had lived under crazy dictators, governments who robbed their people of any social programs/education/healthcare, and the worst, the instability of a narco-state. So, I have a different perspective of immigrants…and ones who try to assimilate with all the energy they have.

    Of course, we had some boys that were wealthy (both immigrant and US citizen), but, the boys whose parents worked their butts off to join mainstream America, were like their parents: knew the sacrifices their parents made…again…legally. And, their parents always had the latest iPhone, and the biggest, baddest Escalade or Suburban….so not like my ancient Sienna! One of my Latina friends from the past asked me why my husband doesn’t buy me a new car, and, my response was: I don’t want him to because we spend about $15,000 a year on flight tickets…because we need to fly to see family, mostly. She understood in a heartbeat.

    My point is, after an epic meandering: I have found hard working (of course, these folks I mentioned, had some sort of education before arriving to the USA, so, there is that) immigrants, who become financially solvent, all are Republicans….every single one on our team of many years ago. Like I said, I saw American flags on bumpers of Escalades, Suburbans, F 150′s, Hummers (still on the road – Hummers in the early 2000′s was a sign: I’ve got a shit ton of money.

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    I like your story Lagertha. And if we can import immigrants that aren't part of the Left I am happy to consider their applications, and bring in some. But that is not what has been proffered. What has been proffered is that we have to accept open borders, or we are racists.
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  166. David-E says:
    @Broski
    The Serbs disgraced themselves with their treatment of the Bosnians. That was a bona fide attempt at genocide. Among their tactics was to rape women until they got pregnant, then release them to have their Serb Y-chromosome children. That they got slammed a bit 4 years later is not something I'm losing sleep over.

    Something shitty in that episode, though, was that the air strikes happened to commence the same day as some huge news event in the Clinton impeachment saga (I forget what, Clinton testifying? Something big). Thus it was nakedly obvious that Bill Clinton and his scum squad chose to do a bit of killing to massage the news cycle.

    How gullible and naive must one be to believe such blatant and ludicrous propaganda? Not to mention, your muddled knowledge of the events in question leads you to mix up two related, but distinct and very different episodes (the Bosnian War (1992-1995) and the Kosovo War (1999)). Of course, no one can know everything, but a little humility when pontificating on unfamiliar topics wouldn’t go amiss.

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    Not to mention, your muddled knowledge of the events in question leads you to mix up two related, but distinct and very different episodes (the Bosnian War (1992-1995) and the Kosovo War (1999)).
     
    What do you think I was referring to when I said "they got slammed a bit 4 years later"?

    Speaking of humility...
    , @Anonymous
    It's true that the Kosovo war wasn't actually about Kosovo, but about Bosnia. The things the Serbs were accused of doing in Kosovo in 1999 were things they had actually done in Bosnia in 1995. Indeed in Kosovo Serbs were the victims not instigators of persecution. The advocates of war knew this but didn't care. They just wanted to punish the Serbs for their past actions in Bosnia.
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  167. Broski says:
    @David-E
    How gullible and naive must one be to believe such blatant and ludicrous propaganda? Not to mention, your muddled knowledge of the events in question leads you to mix up two related, but distinct and very different episodes (the Bosnian War (1992-1995) and the Kosovo War (1999)). Of course, no one can know everything, but a little humility when pontificating on unfamiliar topics wouldn't go amiss.

    Not to mention, your muddled knowledge of the events in question leads you to mix up two related, but distinct and very different episodes (the Bosnian War (1992-1995) and the Kosovo War (1999)).

    What do you think I was referring to when I said “they got slammed a bit 4 years later”?

    Speaking of humility…

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  168. @Anonymous
    "The Jews are just following the WASP lead as usual."

    This is satire, right? Surely you don't actually believe in this inverted interpretation of reality.

    It requires no belief.

    It is my ongoing lived experience.

    To obsess about Jews alone is merely to confess one’s utter ignorance of the SWPLs/establishment that rules you and has for decades.

    https://nickbsteves.wordpress.com/foundational-readings/american-malvern/

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  169. snorlax says:
    @Dmitry134564
    I'm not saying that Jews are not disproportionately powerful in the United States - they certainly are (sometimes for better, sometimes for worse).

    But taking some highly-opinionated NYT columnists and SJWs as representative of the views of American Jews? Well to say it's not a representative sample was one point, and my connected point is that such people don't have all that much power in themselves.

    The majority of Jews in America are centrist and moderate Democrats. In my experience (to go back to village anecdotes, and repeat the poor methodology being used in the above piece), these kind of Democrats are usually aware that the Muslim world is mainly hostile to Jews and hardly have some kind of irrational love of Islam, particularly since 9/11. The typical centrist Democrat is far from being a SJW. And supporting the idea of reaching out to moderate Muslims isn't the same as embracing Islam, let alone Islamists.

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    I'm very right-wing and very aware of the common viewpoints held in the Muslim world (which are incompatible with any society we would like to live in), but I would still support efforts to reach out to moderate Muslims and interfaith dialogue stuff. On the question of immigration of people from Muslim majority countries, there certainly should be a lot more ideological vetting than there is. A total ban on immigration from Muslim countries, I would not support though, since a good immigration policy should focus much more on the individual qualities of each candidate - much like a good university admissions policy would. Every group has good and bad people, and talented and untalented people - and the best immigration policy would be one which selects the good and talented people from any group, while filtering out the bad and untalented.

    Would you have let in Aafia Siddiqui? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aafia_Siddiqui

    BTW, every time ISIS takes western hostages, they demand her release.

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  170. @DIscharged EE
    if the mass of American Jewry disagree with AIPAC, I sure have missed that dissent. For example, when Walt and Mearsheimer book came out , the authors were told that their careers would never progress from this point. Was there dissent ? how many invitations to campuses have they received? did their critics receive any rebukes from the mass of American Jewry?

    I wonder how many US universities even carry a copy of their book. I would say that the bulk of American Jewry remain deeply committed to suppressing any widespread discussion of Israel and the burden it imposes on the US.

    “I wonder how many US universities even carry a copy of their book. I would say that the bulk of American Jewry remain deeply committed to suppressing any widespread discussion of Israel and the burden it imposes on the US.”

    You will be happy to know (in your case more likely unhappy to know , I guess) that no less than 1,235 US libraries have a copy. Many have multiple copies. Another beautiful theory slain by an ugly fact.

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    Kaganovitch
    Don't project on my motives
    The elite grad school that I graduated from owned zero copies of the Mearsheimer book in all libraries ten months after its publishing. One was available to read in a library but could not be borrowed, and the librarian specifically told me that it was loaned for use by a faculty member, but the Univ owned no copy and none was on order. I have not monitored the status since then.
    The head of my department swore he was a member of the Realist school like Mearsheimer, but when another department invited him to speak about the book on campus, I missed it as the event was hardly publicized.
    My specific point was to dare to wonder how many university librraries even carry this book written by what had been a rising Realist scholar who had once been tipped to assume the Sam Huntington job at Harvard. I did not make any wonders about libraries in general.
    -Wondering Goy
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  171. @kaganovitch
    "I wonder how many US universities even carry a copy of their book. I would say that the bulk of American Jewry remain deeply committed to suppressing any widespread discussion of Israel and the burden it imposes on the US."

    You will be happy to know (in your case more likely unhappy to know , I guess) that no less than 1,235 US libraries have a copy. Many have multiple copies. Another beautiful theory slain by an ugly fact.

    Kaganovitch
    Don’t project on my motives
    The elite grad school that I graduated from owned zero copies of the Mearsheimer book in all libraries ten months after its publishing. One was available to read in a library but could not be borrowed, and the librarian specifically told me that it was loaned for use by a faculty member, but the Univ owned no copy and none was on order. I have not monitored the status since then.
    The head of my department swore he was a member of the Realist school like Mearsheimer, but when another department invited him to speak about the book on campus, I missed it as the event was hardly publicized.
    My specific point was to dare to wonder how many university librraries even carry this book written by what had been a rising Realist scholar who had once been tipped to assume the Sam Huntington job at Harvard. I did not make any wonders about libraries in general.
    -Wondering Goy

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    "My specific point was to dare to wonder how many university librraries even carry this book written by what had been a rising Realist scholar who had once been tipped to assume the Sam Huntington job at Harvard. I did not make any wonders about libraries in general."

    From my rough count , out of 1235 holdings in North America listed on Worldcat ,400-450 are public libraries. The remainder are University libraries. So roughly 800 university libraries have at least one copy. So wonder no longer!
    , @JerseyJeffersonian
    DischargedEE,

    I checked the holdings of this title in the Rutgers University (state university of New Jersey) online catalog, and found one listing, apparently as you found at your university, only for use in the library. Real practical, huh?

    Oh, and @kaganovitch, how many libraries are there in the U.S. in toto. And how many of those who had it listed don't circulate it? Of the seven listings I found on WorldCat, all of them were for audiobooks. Whoo hoo.

    Censorship by quiet strangulation, kind of like YouTube's latest moves in that direction.
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    @PTT
    Sailer catches the PTT bug
    https://posttenuretourettes.wordpress.com/2017/09/04/sailer-catches-the-ptt-bug/

    ‘rettie: Your blog bites the big one. Your self promotion is lame.

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  173. Parbes says:
    @Broski
    The Serbs disgraced themselves with their treatment of the Bosnians. That was a bona fide attempt at genocide. Among their tactics was to rape women until they got pregnant, then release them to have their Serb Y-chromosome children. That they got slammed a bit 4 years later is not something I'm losing sleep over.

    Something shitty in that episode, though, was that the air strikes happened to commence the same day as some huge news event in the Clinton impeachment saga (I forget what, Clinton testifying? Something big). Thus it was nakedly obvious that Bill Clinton and his scum squad chose to do a bit of killing to massage the news cycle.

    I see that you’re recoursing to the standard Western MSM “atrocity porn” propaganda line against the Serbs. My statement about the U.S. and Zionists deliberately sacrificing Serbia to deflect Muslim anger away from themselves must have struck a raw nerve (Jewboy?).

    Your proof about any of the allegations above (especially the mendacious “attempted genocide” insinuation)? And no – “I read or heard it on the lying, anti-Serb biased Western MSM of the time” doesn’t count. Most of the deliberate untruths and exaggerations about the 1990s Balkan wars, the Serbs, Milosevic etc. which were included in the “reporting” of these disingenuous propagandists posing as “journalists”, who specialize in twisting the truth and spinning lies out of whole cloth whenever there is an official “enemy” to be demonized in a conflict situation, were debunked soon after the end of the wars – i.e., when it was too late and the lies had already had their intended effect of bringing about the “humanitarian” intervention.

    And talking about atrocities – few belligerents anywhere in the world even come close to the U.S. and its allies like Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkey etc. when it comes to massacre and atrocities inflicted on civilians. Just the crimes committed by the U.S. in the Iraq invasion and subsequent occupation only – a war of pure, premeditated criminal aggression based on purposeful lies and conducted halfway around the world, as opposed to Serbs fighting for their home territory – dwarf, by an order of magnitude, anything that the Serbs did in the broken-up Yugoslavia of the 1990s. What about the comeuppance for those who designed and carried out that? I certainly don’t see you and your ilk bloviating about any punishment for that??

    The truth of the matter is: U.S. and other Western nations such as Germany had been plotting for decades to bring down Yugoslavia, a model of an independent, successful and internationally respected European federal socialist country. After the downfall of the Soviet Union and the takeover of Russia by the worthless drunkard Western poodle Yeltsin, they saw their opening and worked with native ethnic and religious separatists (such as the “leader” of Muslim Bosnia, Alija Izzetbegovic, a dyed-in-the-wool Islamist) to dismember the country into a bunch of mini-statelets based on the principle of chauvinistic micro-nationalism (which the U.S. elites love to cultivate around the world as a divide-and-conquer tactic against countries they have marked for destruction). This inevitably led to conflicts escalating into civil war, due to the ethno-religious mosaic structure of the Yugoslav population. In the resulting civil war, ALL the parties involved engaged in atrocities against each other’s population; however the U.S., as it always does in such situations, came down squarely on the side of ONE party to the conflict and declared the other party (which the U.S. elites had ALREADY been hostile to and targeted for elimination beforehand) as guilty of “crimes”, a “threat”, etc. – meaning they could be bombed, invaded and crushed at will without any regard for facts, history, complexities of the conflict, or any sense of fairness, balance or reason. In this case, the party targeted for demonization and destruction were the Serbs – with the added bonus that they could be used as a sacrificial offering, in true Judeo-biblical manner, to placate the Muslim world and shift their anger away from the U.S. and Israel.

    Funny, though; because in the end the perfidy didn’t even work out well for the U.S. itself – a few years later, Muslims carried out 9/11 anyway.

    The ingrate Zios like the vile Tom Lantos, however, who sold out and backstabbed their WWII saviors the Serbs, suffered very little.

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  174. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Anon

    And it is remarkable given how America’s foreign policies are coming home to roost because a particular subset of Muslims are bastardizing their faith for their own demonic ends.
     
    Who are you - an outsider - to define their faith for them? If they think killing infidels is part of their true faith, then that's part of their true faith. And that particular "subset" of Muslims has, according to numerous public opinion polls, the support of a large plurality (at least) of Muslims.

    One in four Muslims sympathises with motives of terrorists

    “Who are you – an outsider – to define their faith for them?”

    Actually, that is what YOU are doing here by insisting Muslims be removed en mass by force from America.

    “If they think killing infidels is part of their true faith, then that’s part of their true faith.”

    Except Radical Islam is NOT the true faith. Please educate yourself on this matter.

    https://ing.org/global-condemnations-of-isis-isil/

    “And that particular “subset” of Muslims has, according to numerous public opinion polls, the support of a large plurality (at least) of Muslims.”

    The source you linked to indicated that “Taken as a whole, the findings of YouGov’s survey suggest that, although large numbers of British Muslims dislike British society and in some cases may be tempted to attack it, the great majority are loyal and law-abiding and are unlikely to provide the radicals with moral support, let alone safe havens.”

    Moreover, the sample size was 526 Muslim adults across Great Britain.

    “They didn’t do so. They conquered other civilizations and stole what they had to offer for the most part.”

    Again, educate yourself. Mesopotamia, the area between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers), is referred to as the “cradle of civilization” because it is the first place where complex urban centers developed and thrived.

    “You think the Ottoman empire was a thriving civilization? Perhaps, in the same way a colony of army-ants is thriving. Would you want to have lived there?”

    There are a host of resources out there that discusses the importance of the Ottoman Empire as well as their contributions to our world. Would you like to know more, citizen, or remain ignorant?

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    Actually, that is what YOU are doing here by insisting Muslims be removed en mass by force from America.
     
    If you like, we can insist on the deportation of dippy, wealthy, sheltered leftest first and then tell the Muslims they can either stop practicing their political system masquerading as a faith or find refuge in some part of the utopia called Dar al-Islam with some peace the matter. I'm sure it's better, what with it being ruled by Sharia Law and all and you'll like it there too. Because Islam is awesome!

    There are a host of resources out there that discusses the importance of the Ottoman Empire as well as their contributions to our world. Would you like to know more, citizen, or remain ignorant?
     
    If he remains ignorant, it's only because of the fine example here.

    The Ottoman empire kidnapped Christian boys for hundreds of years, circumcised (at least) and sometimes castrated them, and made them slave-soldiers and slave-bureaucrats. It was wonderful add-on to civilization as we know it. But continue on about the awesomeness of Islam. I'm sure we'll find it somewhere.

    http://celestetmoc.weebly.com/ottoman-empire-childhoods.html

    If makes you feel better, this particular article really "sells up" being kidnapped at age 13 or so, ripped away from your family by force, without speaking the language, and becoming a solider loyal to the asshat who stole you in the first place. Great career prospects! Awesome uniform! The article notes the boys had to be handsome, so one assumes that they were chosen 100% for military training. Because Islam doesn't have a problem with homosexuality either.


    Except Radical Islam is NOT the true faith. Please educate yourself on this matter.

    https://ing.org/global-condemnations-of-isis-isil/
     

    Ha, ha! It's actually in the name ISIS and they're trying to do what Mohammed did, which was unify the ME under the bestest Islamic regime ever. Because modern Saudia Arabia isn't quite Islamic enough. But whatever. 1400 years of pirates, slavers, and terrorists and it's not part of the "truth faith" because sheltered Westerners really don't want to believe the depths of depravity of the human soul.
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  175. @Anon
    Maybe they are just naive and too child like.

    Totally unsophisticated in the Big world out there to make it. IQ is truly not everything.

    Despite Nobels...... dangerously naive.

    Pray for them!!!

    A commenter elsewhere said he knew a lot of Jews and that they don’t think long-term. Sounds ridiculous, except, perhaps the rank-and-file, used to being the smartest around, and being able to rise to the top in every situation, are not used to having to think long-term. Still not very satisfying, but it was an interesting half-thought anyway.

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  176. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @David-E
    How gullible and naive must one be to believe such blatant and ludicrous propaganda? Not to mention, your muddled knowledge of the events in question leads you to mix up two related, but distinct and very different episodes (the Bosnian War (1992-1995) and the Kosovo War (1999)). Of course, no one can know everything, but a little humility when pontificating on unfamiliar topics wouldn't go amiss.

    It’s true that the Kosovo war wasn’t actually about Kosovo, but about Bosnia. The things the Serbs were accused of doing in Kosovo in 1999 were things they had actually done in Bosnia in 1995. Indeed in Kosovo Serbs were the victims not instigators of persecution. The advocates of war knew this but didn’t care. They just wanted to punish the Serbs for their past actions in Bosnia.

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  177. Olorin says:
    @Busby
    Not virtue signaling. More like the Wagstaff Rule...whatever the right is for, we're against it.

    My read as well, though I think Paul Berman was onto something regarding the thanatophilia at the heart of modern leftism.

    See for starters his Terror and Liberalism, 2004 iirc. Though he’s too Godwin’s Law for my taste sometimes.

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  178. @DischargedEE
    Kaganovitch
    Don't project on my motives
    The elite grad school that I graduated from owned zero copies of the Mearsheimer book in all libraries ten months after its publishing. One was available to read in a library but could not be borrowed, and the librarian specifically told me that it was loaned for use by a faculty member, but the Univ owned no copy and none was on order. I have not monitored the status since then.
    The head of my department swore he was a member of the Realist school like Mearsheimer, but when another department invited him to speak about the book on campus, I missed it as the event was hardly publicized.
    My specific point was to dare to wonder how many university librraries even carry this book written by what had been a rising Realist scholar who had once been tipped to assume the Sam Huntington job at Harvard. I did not make any wonders about libraries in general.
    -Wondering Goy

    “My specific point was to dare to wonder how many university librraries even carry this book written by what had been a rising Realist scholar who had once been tipped to assume the Sam Huntington job at Harvard. I did not make any wonders about libraries in general.”

    From my rough count , out of 1235 holdings in North America listed on Worldcat ,400-450 are public libraries. The remainder are University libraries. So roughly 800 university libraries have at least one copy. So wonder no longer!

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  179. AM says:
    @Corvinus
    "Who are you – an outsider – to define their faith for them?"

    Actually, that is what YOU are doing here by insisting Muslims be removed en mass by force from America.

    "If they think killing infidels is part of their true faith, then that’s part of their true faith."

    Except Radical Islam is NOT the true faith. Please educate yourself on this matter.

    https://ing.org/global-condemnations-of-isis-isil/

    "And that particular “subset” of Muslims has, according to numerous public opinion polls, the support of a large plurality (at least) of Muslims."

    The source you linked to indicated that "Taken as a whole, the findings of YouGov's survey suggest that, although large numbers of British Muslims dislike British society and in some cases may be tempted to attack it, the great majority are loyal and law-abiding and are unlikely to provide the radicals with moral support, let alone safe havens."

    Moreover, the sample size was 526 Muslim adults across Great Britain.

    "They didn’t do so. They conquered other civilizations and stole what they had to offer for the most part."

    Again, educate yourself. Mesopotamia, the area between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers), is referred to as the "cradle of civilization" because it is the first place where complex urban centers developed and thrived.

    "You think the Ottoman empire was a thriving civilization? Perhaps, in the same way a colony of army-ants is thriving. Would you want to have lived there?"

    There are a host of resources out there that discusses the importance of the Ottoman Empire as well as their contributions to our world. Would you like to know more, citizen, or remain ignorant?

    Actually, that is what YOU are doing here by insisting Muslims be removed en mass by force from America.

    If you like, we can insist on the deportation of dippy, wealthy, sheltered leftest first and then tell the Muslims they can either stop practicing their political system masquerading as a faith or find refuge in some part of the utopia called Dar al-Islam with some peace the matter. I’m sure it’s better, what with it being ruled by Sharia Law and all and you’ll like it there too. Because Islam is awesome!

    There are a host of resources out there that discusses the importance of the Ottoman Empire as well as their contributions to our world. Would you like to know more, citizen, or remain ignorant?

    If he remains ignorant, it’s only because of the fine example here.

    The Ottoman empire kidnapped Christian boys for hundreds of years, circumcised (at least) and sometimes castrated them, and made them slave-soldiers and slave-bureaucrats. It was wonderful add-on to civilization as we know it. But continue on about the awesomeness of Islam. I’m sure we’ll find it somewhere.

    http://celestetmoc.weebly.com/ottoman-empire-childhoods.html

    If makes you feel better, this particular article really “sells up” being kidnapped at age 13 or so, ripped away from your family by force, without speaking the language, and becoming a solider loyal to the asshat who stole you in the first place. Great career prospects! Awesome uniform! The article notes the boys had to be handsome, so one assumes that they were chosen 100% for military training. Because Islam doesn’t have a problem with homosexuality either.

    Except Radical Islam is NOT the true faith. Please educate yourself on this matter.

    https://ing.org/global-condemnations-of-isis-isil/

    Ha, ha! It’s actually in the name ISIS and they’re trying to do what Mohammed did, which was unify the ME under the bestest Islamic regime ever. Because modern Saudia Arabia isn’t quite Islamic enough. But whatever. 1400 years of pirates, slavers, and terrorists and it’s not part of the “truth faith” because sheltered Westerners really don’t want to believe the depths of depravity of the human soul.

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    Ha, ha! It’s actually in the name ISIS and they’re trying to do what Mohammed did, which was unify the ME under the bestest Islamic regime ever. Because modern Saudia Arabia isn’t quite Islamic enough. But whatever. 1400 years of pirates, slavers, and terrorists and it’s not part of the “truth faith” because sheltered Westerners really don’t want to believe the depths of depravity of the human soul.
     
    Radical Jihadist Islam is true Islam done just the way Mohammad the warlord did it after his Hegira to Medina.

    This page deals with the statement of Muhammad: “I have been made victorious with terror.” The Hadith, collected by Bukhari (4.52.220) goes as follows:

    Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand." Abu Huraira added: Allah's Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).
    , @Corvinus
    If you like, we can insist on the deportation of dippy, wealthy, sheltered leftest first and then tell the Muslims they can either stop practicing their political system masquerading as a faith or find refuge in some part of the utopia called Dar al-Islam with some peace the matter. I’m sure it’s better, what with it being ruled by Sharia Law and all and you’ll like it there too. Because Islam is awesome!

    "The Ottoman empire kidnapped Christian boys for hundreds of years, circumcised (at least) and sometimes castrated them, and made them slave-soldiers and slave-bureaucrats. It was wonderful add-on to civilization as we know it. But continue on about the awesomeness of Islam. I’m sure we’ll find it somewhere."

    You described a barbaric military practice--not a cultural contribution. Indeed, you can find what they brought to the civilization table.

    http://www.muslimheritage.com/article/ottoman-contributions-science-and-technology

    Now, if we go by your metric of what constitutes civilizational contributions, then you must equally be appalled by similar military practices conducted by the Spartans to remain consistent. Their male offspring was involved in the army since infancy. If the baby was found to be weak or deformed he was left at Mount Taygetus to die, since the world of the Spartans was no place for those who could not fend for themselves. Those deemed strong at the age of 7 were put in the agoge regimen...for 23 years. If it makes you feel better, Spartan war practices like hazing and fighting were the norm, with youth being ritualistically flogged...for the betterment of their society.

    Somehow, I don't see you too concerned...

    "Ha, ha! It’s actually in the name ISIS and they’re trying to do what Mohammed did, which was unify the ME under the bestest Islamic regime ever. Because modern Saudia Arabia isn’t quite Islamic enough. But whatever. 1400 years of pirates, slavers, and terrorists and it’s not part of the “truth faith” because sheltered Westerners really don’t want to believe the depths of depravity of the human soul."

    The joke is on you for remaining ignorant about Islam.
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  180. Clyde says:
    @AM

    Actually, that is what YOU are doing here by insisting Muslims be removed en mass by force from America.
     
    If you like, we can insist on the deportation of dippy, wealthy, sheltered leftest first and then tell the Muslims they can either stop practicing their political system masquerading as a faith or find refuge in some part of the utopia called Dar al-Islam with some peace the matter. I'm sure it's better, what with it being ruled by Sharia Law and all and you'll like it there too. Because Islam is awesome!

    There are a host of resources out there that discusses the importance of the Ottoman Empire as well as their contributions to our world. Would you like to know more, citizen, or remain ignorant?
     
    If he remains ignorant, it's only because of the fine example here.

    The Ottoman empire kidnapped Christian boys for hundreds of years, circumcised (at least) and sometimes castrated them, and made them slave-soldiers and slave-bureaucrats. It was wonderful add-on to civilization as we know it. But continue on about the awesomeness of Islam. I'm sure we'll find it somewhere.

    http://celestetmoc.weebly.com/ottoman-empire-childhoods.html

    If makes you feel better, this particular article really "sells up" being kidnapped at age 13 or so, ripped away from your family by force, without speaking the language, and becoming a solider loyal to the asshat who stole you in the first place. Great career prospects! Awesome uniform! The article notes the boys had to be handsome, so one assumes that they were chosen 100% for military training. Because Islam doesn't have a problem with homosexuality either.


    Except Radical Islam is NOT the true faith. Please educate yourself on this matter.

    https://ing.org/global-condemnations-of-isis-isil/
     

    Ha, ha! It's actually in the name ISIS and they're trying to do what Mohammed did, which was unify the ME under the bestest Islamic regime ever. Because modern Saudia Arabia isn't quite Islamic enough. But whatever. 1400 years of pirates, slavers, and terrorists and it's not part of the "truth faith" because sheltered Westerners really don't want to believe the depths of depravity of the human soul.

    Ha, ha! It’s actually in the name ISIS and they’re trying to do what Mohammed did, which was unify the ME under the bestest Islamic regime ever. Because modern Saudia Arabia isn’t quite Islamic enough. But whatever. 1400 years of pirates, slavers, and terrorists and it’s not part of the “truth faith” because sheltered Westerners really don’t want to believe the depths of depravity of the human soul.

    Radical Jihadist Islam is true Islam done just the way Mohammad the warlord did it after his Hegira to Medina.

    This page deals with the statement of Muhammad: “I have been made victorious with terror.” The Hadith, collected by Bukhari (4.52.220) goes as follows:

    Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.” Abu Huraira added: Allah’s Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).

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  181. @Stealth
    From the article you linked to:

    He took down the crosses. They have agreed to raise their daughter, Sima, now 6, as a Jew, which he said felt natural to him, both because he had deep experience with Judaism and because his theology had predisposed him to a sympathy with the Jewish story.
     
    and...

    And they agreed that one could not coherently raise a child “in both traditions.” She insisted that their children—they have a daughter and a son, now grown—would be raised as Jews.
     
    Even though neither husband crossed over, I think this supports what I wrote in that comment. These women were not going to allow their children to be raised as Christians.

    The first notion you raised that ordinary liberal or secular Jews hate Christians and Christianity (despite 60% of all Jews in American marrying a Christian), is just so bizarre – and it makes me wonder if people have any exposure to pop culture and television at all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrismukkah

    The second notion, that the majority of children raised in interfaith marriages, are raised Jewish, is true in the US – 60% are raised Jewish to 20% being raised Christian. But historically it is certainly not true. In Russia, when Jews married Christians (which the majority of them did by the 1980s), they almost always had the children baptised. The difference is the incentives in the external environment – when being Jewish is a bad thing, then the children will likely not be raised Jewish. Where being Jewish is prestigious (as it is in today), then there is an incentive to raise your children Jewish.

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  182. @International Jew
    All you (and Steve too) really know about "Jewish opinion" is what you read and hear from those who appear on TV and in the press. But are blacks in those places any less gung-ho on immigration? Of course not. And as for the rank and file, and notwithstanding your several anecdotes, there are a lot more Republican, even dissident right, Jews than there are blacks. And, I'll venture, a lot more iSteve readers.

    Which raises the question: what is your problem, really?

    Which raises the question: what is your problem, really?

    My problem? Jewish–what i’d call–”minoritarianism”. Which as I’ve noted in several different comments is only one of five or six causes of the crisis in the West, but it’s definitely the main driver of the ideological side of the crisis.

    (To give a name to the other causes: feminism/female empowerment; cheap-laborism; decline of Christianity and the new secular virtue signaling; Christian hyper love-they-neighborism; Purtian impulse city-on-a-hill utopianism. And underneath all, white gentile altruism and cooperation making us saps.)

    And as for the rank and file, and notwithstanding your several anecdotes, there are a lot more Republican, even dissident right, Jews than there are blacks. And, I’ll venture, a lot more iSteve readers.

    This is obviously true. There are even more–because there are a few, like Kaus and Miller–publicly prominent immigration dissident Jews. (In fairness i’d put Sowell down as a black public immigration dissident.)

    But this isn’t what I wrote. What I wrote about was clearly and specifically about *personal* attitudes on immigration, not about political identification. (We all know blacks are even more Democratic leaning than even Jews.)

    I tried a quick search to come up with something on immigration attitudes from Pew, but quickly turned into a slog. I’ll try when have extra cycles later.

    Here’s my rough hunch about the numbers:
    Party affiliation D/R: Jews 70-30, blacks 90-10
    Immigration support: Jews 60-40 blacks 10-90
    Immigration enthusiast: Jews 30% blacks 1%

    Could be wrong. Someone else pulls up some good numbers from Pew or elsewhere–great. But the point is that blacks are not personally immigration supporters, despite supporting the Democrats. This is not news. (Blacks are quite rightly one of the most immigration skeptical groups.)

    But are blacks in those places any less gung-ho on immigration? Of course not.

    Disagree. Elite blacks mostly toe the party line, but even from standard issue Democratic party blacks you’ll get occasional little nuggets of skepticism (“too much”, “undermining wages”, etc.) Mostly blacks are not very interested. If in an alternative universe where the Democratic party wasn’t ideologically driven by Jews, but rather actually interested in poor and working class uplift, and it and the nation had adopted Barbara Jordan’s immigration clampdown, then elite black commentators would be giving that policy their stamp of approval. Immigration just isn’t something that’s front and center with blacks–other than when they have some personally negative interaction with Mexicans or feel immigrants are “cutting in line”.

    What you never get from elite blacks is the kind of crazy emoting on immigration like Brett Stephens keeps teeing up for Steve. And Brett Stephens is–unfortunately–not alone. Jew after Jew after Jew steps up to the pulpit to hector us natives about how much we suck and how immigration is rejuvenating the joint. We gentiles aren’t supposed to notice?

    I’m aware that these elite commentator attitudes do not reflect the full spectrum of Jewish opinion. That’s obvious from the commenters here including yourself. But Jay Fink and some other Jewish guys are point out that yes, there is a lot of outright immigration craziness among random friends and family as well.

    In any case, my point wasn’t about Jews, it was about blacks. They are solid Democratic party voters and “racism!” believers, but they simply do not share the Jews’–or even generic Democratic voter–immigration enthusiasm. They are generally immigration skeptic.

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  183. @International Jew

    So the entire West is being dragged down in part by the weird psycho-dramas spwaned by this one tiny tribe
     
    Are you blaming us for Merkel too? And the Italian navy?

    So the entire West is being dragged down in part by the weird psycho-dramas spwaned by this one tiny tribe

    Are you blaming us for Merkel too? And the Italian navy?

    Perhaps you missed the “in part” part.

    For Merkel i’d put a couple of my list of causes up top:
    – Feminism, female empowerment, misplaced nurturing instinct.
    – Christian (heretical) hyper-altruism
    – Post-Christian virtue signaling.
    – Hitler, German post-war guilt, apologetics and make-nice

    But Jews have had–through Hollywood and academic/cultural leadership in the US, which clearly took western leadership post-war–tremendous influence on the ambient ideology in the West. Including the whole “lessons of World War II” thing. (My main lesson would be “don’t invade other nations” and “borders are good–good fences make good neighbors.” Instead of “tolerance”, “we’re all the same under the skin” and “borderless world”.)

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  184. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    I think that they are afraid that if it is acceptable to make unflattering albeit accurate observations about Moslems, it will become acceptable to make unflattering albeit accurate observations about Jews.

    Bingo, we have a winner.

    American Jews are stuck between a rock and a hard place. While they have gained acceptance, and even dominance in many spheres of American society, they are still paranoid. But they work so hard to thrust themselves upon Gentile America, demanding that we forget that their worship of and unrelenting advocacy for that shitty little country (bless you, Daniel Bernard, French diplomat for reputedly saying, “All the current troubles in the world are because of that shitty little country Israel.”) has led to nothing but trouble for the United States: from the Lavon Affair; to the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty; to the theft of plutonium and krytons (nuclear triggers) from the U.S.; to Jonathan Pollard’s espionage and the selling on of its fruit to the Soviet Union; to the wars we have been dragged into for the sake of Greater Israel and the consequent animosity that this has generated in the Muslim world. But, no, no, we can’t speak a critical word about Israel, or protest the American Jewish community’s outsize influence over denying us a foreign policy that is arguably in THIS NATION’s interests. Even even more outrageously, they want to make it a fucking thought crime to support the BDS movement, denying the citizens their right to free speech and association.

    So, they move ever closer to throwing away the tolerance and success that has come to Jews in the United States through their increasingly transparent manipulations of politics, the economy, universities, the culture sphere, and most importantly, through their corruption of the media. And the media are nowadays employed to stand on our feet and shout into our faces arrant nonsense, a tidal wave of lies and distortions, and most ominously, to deny discussion or exposure of many topics of pressing importance to the life of the Republic. And all at the goyims’ expense. As usual.

    So now, instead of primarily making common cause with blacks as another historically oppressed minority, they latch onto every fringe identity group to include in their effort to baffle us with bullshit, and to further undermine any stable consensus of positive societal practices and beliefs that were up until recently current in the wider Gentile American society. And then, most ironic of all, they wrap the Muslims into the slumgullion of the “coalition of the fringes” that they are trying to get us to gag down, people very unlikely to view Jews with equanimity if they have any comprehension of the Jews role in leading the U.S. to blow their countries to smithereens and deny them any access to a modern civil society.

    So, it’s back to the behaviors of the 50s and 60s, trying to associate themselves with allies in a struggle for acceptance; but such a shit show of disreputable allies and disastrous policies it is that they now advocate for that it is pretty off-putting unless you are a fully-subscribed GoodThinker.

    I’m not one of those.

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  185. @FLgeezer
    >I wonder how many US universities even carry a copy of their book.

    I bought a copy for our local library and it was featured for 24 hours on the "New Books" shelf. The first person that checked it out never returned it, nor did our library pursue the return of the masterpiece.

    Let me guess. It wasn’t good for the Jews.

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  186. @DischargedEE
    Kaganovitch
    Don't project on my motives
    The elite grad school that I graduated from owned zero copies of the Mearsheimer book in all libraries ten months after its publishing. One was available to read in a library but could not be borrowed, and the librarian specifically told me that it was loaned for use by a faculty member, but the Univ owned no copy and none was on order. I have not monitored the status since then.
    The head of my department swore he was a member of the Realist school like Mearsheimer, but when another department invited him to speak about the book on campus, I missed it as the event was hardly publicized.
    My specific point was to dare to wonder how many university librraries even carry this book written by what had been a rising Realist scholar who had once been tipped to assume the Sam Huntington job at Harvard. I did not make any wonders about libraries in general.
    -Wondering Goy

    DischargedEE,

    I checked the holdings of this title in the Rutgers University (state university of New Jersey) online catalog, and found one listing, apparently as you found at your university, only for use in the library. Real practical, huh?

    Oh, and , how many libraries are there in the U.S. in toto. And how many of those who had it listed don’t circulate it? Of the seven listings I found on WorldCat, all of them were for audiobooks. Whoo hoo.

    Censorship by quiet strangulation, kind of like YouTube’s latest moves in that direction.

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    thanks for checking.....
    By way of contrast, I knew a small library in a town of 10,000 souls in recession-hit 1980's Rep of Ireland . The humble library had few if any new books, and could not afford to subscribe to the daily Irish national newspapers, and not subscribed to any in many years. Yet, intriguingly, they somehow possessed a beautifully printed copy of the Joan Peters book, From Time Immemorial, soon after its publication.
    Fully avail for circulation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_Time_Immemorial
    , @DIscharged EE
    re: books that are limited to use in the library

    It could be that controversial books get "lost" or accidentally "misplaced" too many times. Therefore, the librarian needs to protect the remaining copy by limiting its use to a special reading room where the chances of such misadventure are reduced.
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  187. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @candid_observer
    I think the Tragedy of the Jews is that they have come to swallow their own exhaust.

    Once upon a time, it did indeed serve their purposes to push the identity politics agenda, and to argue that all minority groups were effectively oppressed, but were, inherently, every bit the equal to others, and deserved far greater acceptance in the majority society. This idea had immense appeal, and, in the good portion of the beginning of the twentieth century, some initial plausibility.

    But Jews, particularly the later generations among them, who were raised mostly with no alternative, more self-protective, point of view, couldn't get off this idea. The idea, meant in no small part as spin by earlier generations, took in the later generations like gullible marks. The belief that all groups were, at base, identical in their potential, was intoxicating in its vision and its concomitant rush of moral superiority.

    The problem is that Jews thereby created a Frankenstein monster that would, in time, eat them alive. The more secular among them have outmarried to a point of near self-elimination. They are, of course, the most despised of the enemies of Islam. Israel, once precious to American Jews, is increasingly regarded as an embarrassment.

    It may or may not be fair to lay the damage wrought by identity politics at the door of Jews. But there's little question that if whites generally suffer under it, then Jews are getting it even worse. Whites aren't going away anytime soon. Can anyone say that about the secular Jews?

    You make a very good point. It could just be that Jews have actually come to believe their own bull**** propaganda about diversity and cultural Marxism, which they created and spoon fed to dumb whites through their control of the media and Hollywood.

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  188. Wade says:
    @f, dj
    Perhaps it is slowly beginning to dawn on Steve that progressive American Jews do not care all that much about the interests of Israel or the Jewish people generally. Like other progressive whites, they just care about being progressive.

    Over the years Steve has directed most of his ire at Neocon Jews who are crazy over Israel, you know like most of those at Fox News and in the Republican party – David Brooks types. I see no evidence that he doesn’t get the distinction between these Jews and the ones like Bernie Sanders.

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  189. @JerseyJeffersonian
    DischargedEE,

    I checked the holdings of this title in the Rutgers University (state university of New Jersey) online catalog, and found one listing, apparently as you found at your university, only for use in the library. Real practical, huh?

    Oh, and @kaganovitch, how many libraries are there in the U.S. in toto. And how many of those who had it listed don't circulate it? Of the seven listings I found on WorldCat, all of them were for audiobooks. Whoo hoo.

    Censorship by quiet strangulation, kind of like YouTube's latest moves in that direction.

    thanks for checking…..
    By way of contrast, I knew a small library in a town of 10,000 souls in recession-hit 1980′s Rep of Ireland . The humble library had few if any new books, and could not afford to subscribe to the daily Irish national newspapers, and not subscribed to any in many years. Yet, intriguingly, they somehow possessed a beautifully printed copy of the Joan Peters book, From Time Immemorial, soon after its publication.
    Fully avail for circulation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_Time_Immemorial

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    According to Worldcat , Peters book has only 1173 worldwide holdings, around a quarter less than Mearsheimer/Walt. You'll be happy to know that the town of Rosebud, Australia (pop. 12,000) has a copy of "The Israel Lobby". Little can be deduced from the holdings of random small town libraries.
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  190. @JerseyJeffersonian
    DischargedEE,

    I checked the holdings of this title in the Rutgers University (state university of New Jersey) online catalog, and found one listing, apparently as you found at your university, only for use in the library. Real practical, huh?

    Oh, and @kaganovitch, how many libraries are there in the U.S. in toto. And how many of those who had it listed don't circulate it? Of the seven listings I found on WorldCat, all of them were for audiobooks. Whoo hoo.

    Censorship by quiet strangulation, kind of like YouTube's latest moves in that direction.

    re: books that are limited to use in the library

    It could be that controversial books get “lost” or accidentally “misplaced” too many times. Therefore, the librarian needs to protect the remaining copy by limiting its use to a special reading room where the chances of such misadventure are reduced.

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  191. @AM

    I was raised Catholic but consider myself non-religious. I’m not a true believer in Christianity or in this new Liberalism religion. Nonetheless I actually find traditional Christianity much more appealing in general than this creepy new cult pseudo-religion. Christianity has a much more sensible view of human nature overall.
     
    To me, there are only 2 leaps of faith in Catholicism: The God loves us and that Christ was the Son of that God. After that, everything in Catholicism falls out of reason and observation. That's why it's more appealing, at least in my mind. It actually makes much more sense and with the probably large exception of dealing with Christ as Son of God, doesn't actually ask you to believe in very much that you cannot at least experience at some level.

    To me, there are only 2 leaps of faith in Catholicism: The God loves us and that Christ was the Son of that God. After that, everything in Catholicism falls out of reason and observation. That’s why it’s more appealing, at least in my mind. It actually makes much more sense and with the probably large exception of dealing with Christ as Son of God ..

    Pleate explain the Trinity to us.

    The Old Man,the Kid, and the Spook — Who is first among these equals? Are they not one in three, and three in one?

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  192. @DIscharged EE
    thanks for checking.....
    By way of contrast, I knew a small library in a town of 10,000 souls in recession-hit 1980's Rep of Ireland . The humble library had few if any new books, and could not afford to subscribe to the daily Irish national newspapers, and not subscribed to any in many years. Yet, intriguingly, they somehow possessed a beautifully printed copy of the Joan Peters book, From Time Immemorial, soon after its publication.
    Fully avail for circulation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_Time_Immemorial

    According to Worldcat , Peters book has only 1173 worldwide holdings, around a quarter less than Mearsheimer/Walt. You’ll be happy to know that the town of Rosebud, Australia (pop. 12,000) has a copy of “The Israel Lobby”. Little can be deduced from the holdings of random small town libraries.

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  193. @Joe Walker
    Hitler was gay?

    Hitler was gay?

    Nobody knows for sure just what kind of a pervert he was, but pervert (or at least asexual) he certainly was.

    He had his pick of any woman in the Reich, and dies without issue.

    Also, in his day nobody outside Paris used the word “gay” in the corrupted sense you do.

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  194. Brutusale says:
    @Dmitry134564
    Not really true on an anecdotal basis. Liberal Jewish journalists give very positive coverage of Christian-Jewish intermarriage and other interfaith activities. For example, Mark Oppenheimer writes: https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2017/08/24/when-jew-and-catholic-marry

    The current Pope is also very popular amongst Reform Jews at the moment.

    I’ve been to the bar/bat mitzvahs of 4 sets of offspring of Jew/Christian marriages. No First Communions or confirmations attended yet, and I don’t expect any.

    Anecdotal, but 100% is tough to argue with.

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  195. Corvinus says:
    @AM

    Actually, that is what YOU are doing here by insisting Muslims be removed en mass by force from America.
     
    If you like, we can insist on the deportation of dippy, wealthy, sheltered leftest first and then tell the Muslims they can either stop practicing their political system masquerading as a faith or find refuge in some part of the utopia called Dar al-Islam with some peace the matter. I'm sure it's better, what with it being ruled by Sharia Law and all and you'll like it there too. Because Islam is awesome!

    There are a host of resources out there that discusses the importance of the Ottoman Empire as well as their contributions to our world. Would you like to know more, citizen, or remain ignorant?
     
    If he remains ignorant, it's only because of the fine example here.

    The Ottoman empire kidnapped Christian boys for hundreds of years, circumcised (at least) and sometimes castrated them, and made them slave-soldiers and slave-bureaucrats. It was wonderful add-on to civilization as we know it. But continue on about the awesomeness of Islam. I'm sure we'll find it somewhere.

    http://celestetmoc.weebly.com/ottoman-empire-childhoods.html

    If makes you feel better, this particular article really "sells up" being kidnapped at age 13 or so, ripped away from your family by force, without speaking the language, and becoming a solider loyal to the asshat who stole you in the first place. Great career prospects! Awesome uniform! The article notes the boys had to be handsome, so one assumes that they were chosen 100% for military training. Because Islam doesn't have a problem with homosexuality either.


    Except Radical Islam is NOT the true faith. Please educate yourself on this matter.

    https://ing.org/global-condemnations-of-isis-isil/
     

    Ha, ha! It's actually in the name ISIS and they're trying to do what Mohammed did, which was unify the ME under the bestest Islamic regime ever. Because modern Saudia Arabia isn't quite Islamic enough. But whatever. 1400 years of pirates, slavers, and terrorists and it's not part of the "truth faith" because sheltered Westerners really don't want to believe the depths of depravity of the human soul.

    If you like, we can insist on the deportation of dippy, wealthy, sheltered leftest first and then tell the Muslims they can either stop practicing their political system masquerading as a faith or find refuge in some part of the utopia called Dar al-Islam with some peace the matter. I’m sure it’s better, what with it being ruled by Sharia Law and all and you’ll like it there too. Because Islam is awesome!

    “The Ottoman empire kidnapped Christian boys for hundreds of years, circumcised (at least) and sometimes castrated them, and made them slave-soldiers and slave-bureaucrats. It was wonderful add-on to civilization as we know it. But continue on about the awesomeness of Islam. I’m sure we’ll find it somewhere.”

    You described a barbaric military practice–not a cultural contribution. Indeed, you can find what they brought to the civilization table.

    http://www.muslimheritage.com/article/ottoman-contributions-science-and-technology

    Now, if we go by your metric of what constitutes civilizational contributions, then you must equally be appalled by similar military practices conducted by the Spartans to remain consistent. Their male offspring was involved in the army since infancy. If the baby was found to be weak or deformed he was left at Mount Taygetus to die, since the world of the Spartans was no place for those who could not fend for themselves. Those deemed strong at the age of 7 were put in the agoge regimen…for 23 years. If it makes you feel better, Spartan war practices like hazing and fighting were the norm, with youth being ritualistically flogged…for the betterment of their society.

    Somehow, I don’t see you too concerned…

    “Ha, ha! It’s actually in the name ISIS and they’re trying to do what Mohammed did, which was unify the ME under the bestest Islamic regime ever. Because modern Saudia Arabia isn’t quite Islamic enough. But whatever. 1400 years of pirates, slavers, and terrorists and it’s not part of the “truth faith” because sheltered Westerners really don’t want to believe the depths of depravity of the human soul.”

    The joke is on you for remaining ignorant about Islam.

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  196. Tyrion says:
    @Maj. Kong
    Your community has moral weight, and this weight is being thrown around to support the invasion of our lands. None of the major Jewish organizations have called for an immigration moratorium, but almost all of them have called for censorship.

    If a Rothschild (who runs the World Jewish Congress) called for stopping immigration, and importing PM Netanyahu's policies to raise the birth rate for native European Christians, then it would assuage our concerns.

    But instead we get things like this:

    http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/09/01/polands-lack-concern-rising-anti-semitism-draws-warning-jewish-congress/#disqus_thread

    Your community has moral weight, and this weight is being thrown around to support the invasion of our lands. None of the major Jewish organizations have called for an immigration moratorium, but almost all of them have called for censorship.

    If a Rothschild (who runs the World Jewish Congress) called for stopping immigration, and importing PM Netanyahu’s policies to raise the birth rate for native European Christians, then it would assuage our concerns.

    David Rothschild is Chairman of the Governing Board. The actual President of the World Jewish Congress is Ronald S. Lauder.

    Mr Lauder made a foray into US politics when he lost the Republican primary to Rudy Giuliani for Mayor of New York. He reportedly ran to Giuliani’s right and failed, perhaps unsurprisingly.

    Ignoring that, he is also lifelong friends with Donald Trump. They studied together at Wharton. They have known each other ever since and Lauder has spoken out in not only Trump’s defence but also in the defence of whomever Trump would choose to employ. That includes Bannon et al.

    The World Jewish Congress is a body formed by Jews to assist Jews. It was created in 1936, and subsequent events have more than justified its existence and historical mission.

    To summarise: the WJC’s President has spoken out in favour of Trump while the WJC restricts itself to advocating for Jews. This is as much as an American immigration-restrictionist can reasonably expect from that organisation.

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  197. @Tyrion

    Your community has moral weight, and this weight is being thrown around to support the invasion of our lands. None of the major Jewish organizations have called for an immigration moratorium, but almost all of them have called for censorship.

    If a Rothschild (who runs the World Jewish Congress) called for stopping immigration, and importing PM Netanyahu’s policies to raise the birth rate for native European Christians, then it would assuage our concerns.
     
    David Rothschild is Chairman of the Governing Board. The actual President of the World Jewish Congress is Ronald S. Lauder.

    Mr Lauder made a foray into US politics when he lost the Republican primary to Rudy Giuliani for Mayor of New York. He reportedly ran to Giuliani's right and failed, perhaps unsurprisingly.

    Ignoring that, he is also lifelong friends with Donald Trump. They studied together at Wharton. They have known each other ever since and Lauder has spoken out in not only Trump's defence but also in the defence of whomever Trump would choose to employ. That includes Bannon et al.

    The World Jewish Congress is a body formed by Jews to assist Jews. It was created in 1936, and subsequent events have more than justified its existence and historical mission.

    To summarise: the WJC's President has spoken out in favour of Trump while the WJC restricts itself to advocating for Jews. This is as much as an American immigration-restrictionist can reasonably expect from that organisation.

    Lauder, like Trump, has one of those rare NYC concealed carry permits.

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    anyone can get a conceal carry permit...anywhere. You should all get one :)
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  198. @Lagertha
    I dunno about winning with immigrants; because, what kind of immigrant becomes the wild card? When I think back fondly, about my son's soccer playing years, his team was comprised of: a Russian, a Bosnian, 3 Peruvians, a Tobago (an?), a Puerto Rican, a German (dad working for German corp in USA), a Jamaican...and, the last 8 guys were a hodgepodge of Americans of European decent; some going back to the early 1700's in New England. Boys were from private schools, Catholic schools, public schools, and one, home-schooled.

    Playing on this premier team was costly, so, parents did what they could to make sure their son will be on this team - it was very good team, btw. We had a lot of good times for 4 years at tournaments....staying together (parents and players) in hotels (thank goodness for those fire-pit & byob hotels with decent breakfasts!) - sharing food and drink to celebrate victories; or agree that the boys "got robbed." What did I learn? The immigrant parents were full-bore Republicans!

    One of the Peruvian couples told me that they worked very hard (cleaning hotels for a few years at the airport upon arrival - legally) until they could get the licensing and credentials (the education they had in their home country) in order to get better jobs as a mechanic and nurse.

    All of these immigrant parents were successful...we spent so many years on the road that we shared our hopes and dreams for our boys. What I fondly remember is that so many of them were more patriotic than today's so-called Progressives - many who have been here for generations. They had lived under crazy dictators, governments who robbed their people of any social programs/education/healthcare, and the worst, the instability of a narco-state. So, I have a different perspective of immigrants...and ones who try to assimilate with all the energy they have.

    Of course, we had some boys that were wealthy (both immigrant and US citizen), but, the boys whose parents worked their butts off to join mainstream America, were like their parents: knew the sacrifices their parents made...again...legally. And, their parents always had the latest iPhone, and the biggest, baddest Escalade or Suburban....so not like my ancient Sienna! One of my Latina friends from the past asked me why my husband doesn't buy me a new car, and, my response was: I don't want him to because we spend about $15,000 a year on flight tickets...because we need to fly to see family, mostly. She understood in a heartbeat.

    My point is, after an epic meandering: I have found hard working (of course, these folks I mentioned, had some sort of education before arriving to the USA, so, there is that) immigrants, who become financially solvent, all are Republicans....every single one on our team of many years ago. Like I said, I saw American flags on bumpers of Escalades, Suburbans, F 150's, Hummers (still on the road - Hummers in the early 2000's was a sign: I've got a shit ton of money.

    I like your story Lagertha. And if we can import immigrants that aren’t part of the Left I am happy to consider their applications, and bring in some. But that is not what has been proffered. What has been proffered is that we have to accept open borders, or we are racists.

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    well, if you are a mouthpiece for conservatism/environmental-sustainability of our "America," then you need to rally people nationally...I can only ( as a recluse, older woman) do what I can in my community. And, you are not a racist if you say you want to take a break from immigration, and ponder what is good for your country - that's the biggee.

    Look up "how do I become a citizen?" of Finland (my homeland) or New Zealand (the most popular country for billionaires, with their "panic homes," and all - what a bunch of wusses! - ewwww) If you are a virtue-signaling dumbass, like so many guys I knew in college, and think that your elites, your employers are buying real estate in NZ...then you are a dumbass with a degree from an Ivy League.

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  199. Lagertha says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson
    I like your story Lagertha. And if we can import immigrants that aren't part of the Left I am happy to consider their applications, and bring in some. But that is not what has been proffered. What has been proffered is that we have to accept open borders, or we are racists.

    well, if you are a mouthpiece for conservatism/environmental-sustainability of our “America,” then you need to rally people nationally…I can only ( as a recluse, older woman) do what I can in my community. And, you are not a racist if you say you want to take a break from immigration, and ponder what is good for your country – that’s the biggee.

    Look up “how do I become a citizen?” of Finland (my homeland) or New Zealand (the most popular country for billionaires, with their “panic homes,” and all – what a bunch of wusses! – ewwww) If you are a virtue-signaling dumbass, like so many guys I knew in college, and think that your elites, your employers are buying real estate in NZ…then you are a dumbass with a degree from an Ivy League.

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    meant to say: if you don't realize that your higher ups are buying refuges in Hawaii/NZ/Patagonia...you are not higher up in your org. It is all about survival...maybe not now, but in a few years.
    , @Lagertha
    Meant to say: elites are buying up real estate in NZ bc they fear nuclear war in more mainsteam parts of Europe, USA and/or Asia.
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  200. Lagertha says:
    @Lagertha
    well, if you are a mouthpiece for conservatism/environmental-sustainability of our "America," then you need to rally people nationally...I can only ( as a recluse, older woman) do what I can in my community. And, you are not a racist if you say you want to take a break from immigration, and ponder what is good for your country - that's the biggee.

    Look up "how do I become a citizen?" of Finland (my homeland) or New Zealand (the most popular country for billionaires, with their "panic homes," and all - what a bunch of wusses! - ewwww) If you are a virtue-signaling dumbass, like so many guys I knew in college, and think that your elites, your employers are buying real estate in NZ...then you are a dumbass with a degree from an Ivy League.

    meant to say: if you don’t realize that your higher ups are buying refuges in Hawaii/NZ/Patagonia…you are not higher up in your org. It is all about survival…maybe not now, but in a few years.

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  201. Lagertha says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Lauder, like Trump, has one of those rare NYC concealed carry permits.

    anyone can get a conceal carry permit…anywhere. You should all get one :)

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  202. Lagertha says:
    @Lagertha
    well, if you are a mouthpiece for conservatism/environmental-sustainability of our "America," then you need to rally people nationally...I can only ( as a recluse, older woman) do what I can in my community. And, you are not a racist if you say you want to take a break from immigration, and ponder what is good for your country - that's the biggee.

    Look up "how do I become a citizen?" of Finland (my homeland) or New Zealand (the most popular country for billionaires, with their "panic homes," and all - what a bunch of wusses! - ewwww) If you are a virtue-signaling dumbass, like so many guys I knew in college, and think that your elites, your employers are buying real estate in NZ...then you are a dumbass with a degree from an Ivy League.

    Meant to say: elites are buying up real estate in NZ bc they fear nuclear war in more mainsteam parts of Europe, USA and/or Asia.

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