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I’m interested in what makes these late onset male to female trans folks so appealing to progressives when it seems obvious to me that, say, 80% of them are rightwingers. In contrast, you almost never hear of, say, a liberal NPR anchorman announcing in his unassertive indoor voice that he’s now an anchorwoman.

Granted, almost nobody else has noticed that a very high fraction of older M2Fs are right of center.

iSteve commenter academic gossip writes:

I have been arguing here for that view of the Cluster B low-empathy disorders:

Cluster B personality disorders include borderline, antisocial, histrionic and narcissistic. Here’s Wikipedia on narcissistic:

Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder with a long-term pattern of abnormal behavior characterized by exaggerated feelings of self-importance, excessive need for admiration, and a lack of empathy.[2][3] Those affected often spend much time thinking about achieving power or success, or on their appearance.[3] They often take advantage of the people around them.[3] The behavior typically begins by early adulthood, and occurs across a variety of social situations.[3]

academic gossip sees late onset M2F as closer to Histrionic than Narcissistic:

that they are all one underlying thing, subclinical autism, manifested in superficially different forms according to environment and life history; and that late-onset male trangenderism belongs to this group as male HPD [histrionic personality disorder]. The late onset is a change of manifestation as hormone levels or other sex-related physiology change in middle age.

Trans M2F seems rather “outward” and Histrionic. It is severely concerned with physical appearance and even the physical structure of the body. Secondarily it is about controlling what others can see and say, and getting validation from them. If the inner, self-directed part of trans psychology were akin to anxiety or depression, most who have it would not get around to visible transitions of any kind. Maybe many don’t. In the ones who do cross-dress or “transition” medically, the key trait seems to be the capacity for radical reality-reversing epiphany (are I woman?) that becomes an idee fixe (me woman, dammit!!), a provocation for dramatic righteous universe-encompassing conflict (my liferightsbodyidentity!!!), and an extraordinary heartbreak to family and friends. That is all signature diagnostic HPD stuff.

HPD’s aren’t exactly depressive/anxious, they are cranky, a more outward thing. Depressives are in touch with their negative feelings, cranky people have their negative feelings get in touch with you. The attention-seeking subset of cranky will also get in touch with doctors, hospitals, therapists, quack healers, life coaches, and surgeons. The HPD subset of that, which is a lot of it, will then tell us about it on social media. …

I haven’t seen Plomin’s book, but if inward and outward are different dimensions (polygenic scores) in his account then they are not in contradiction; M2F trans and HPDs could score highly on both scales. A similarity in the distribution of scores would be evidence that the two conditions have a common cause.

Is the appeal of these cranky middle aged self-centered guys who announce that they are women the idea of breaking down borders? Is it the “reality-reversing?” Is it the histrionic side?

I’m also interested in what strikes me as rightwing about these folk. Is it the low empathy? The crankiness? The self-made aspect? The will to power? Or is that, as Nietzsche would say, a universal trait?

 
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  1. Svigor says:

    This seems like one of those things where reality follows art. Without the media support it would be a small fraction of what it is.

  2. Svigor says:

    Media support and institutional encouragement.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Anonymous
  3. anon[202] • Disclaimer says:

    “I’m also interested in what strikes me as rightwing about these folk. Is it the low empathy? The crankiness? The self-made aspect?”

    My theory:

    Males and females differ in how they utilize grey matter/white matter in the brain. Males utilize more grey matter, the part of the brain that deals with emotional regulation; they have to because they have much more aggression-inducing testosterone. A structural defect in this area of the brain – or hormonal abnormality should it relate to brain function (steroids?) – should be correlated with two things: less emotional control (confused with more masculine and rightwing characteristics) and more reliance on white matter (which females use) as a compensatory mechanism. This creates the delusion in the minds of M2F transgenders that they are female.

    Based on this, it would appear to me that politicians, political extremists, and athletes should be over represented in M2F transgenders. I think it is possible that these types aren’t as “right-wing” as you think, but merely more aggressive, which strikes people as right-wing.

    There is a small chance that M2F trans might also be correlated with superior mathematical abilities, too (compensatory white matter stuff). Same with homosexuality. Honestly, I’ve wondered if the two might have some relation to each other – perhaps even with autism. Too bad our society doesn’t like studying this kind of thing as much as it should. It is indeed a fascinating subject.

    As an aside, the reason I subscribe to the grey matter thing is due to an experience I had with a M2F transgender many years ago. This person suffered from an underlying medical condition, bipolar I think, and was given lithium carbonate injections. The transgenderism thing then subsided noticeably along with behavioral issues. Upon researching the subject, I discovered that lithium is a potent activator of grey matter stem cells in the brain. That could be coincidence, but as I said, this society isn’t as pro-science as it used to be. Some things (like potential easy cures for M2F trans) is off limits because that’s not who we are.

    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
  4. TTSSYF says:

    If Bruce Jenner is typical, I would say that they are considered rightwing because they’ve publicly supported Republicans. But, assuming that is true, there’s still no clear reason why a majority would be rightwing, unless it is a cynical ploy to gain acceptance by the conventional crowd.

  5. Svigor says:

    So no, I’m not buying the “self-made” aspect in any real sense.

  6. bomag says:

    In the ones who do cross-dress or “transition” medically, the key trait seems to be the capacity for radical reality-reversing epiphany… that becomes an idee fixe…, a provocation for dramatic righteous universe-encompassing conflict…, …

    Those are radical left traits; they figure they’ve got a kindred spirit on their hands in the transition crowd.

  7. vinny says:

    Is this a section bias thing where we mostly only notice the m2fs who are going around being jerks? Just anecdotally, but I know several in my very boring daily life who seem pretty shy and retiring, although maybe they are huge jerks online, who knows.

  8. TTSSYF says:

    Elaborating on my earlier comment — I think a lot of transgenders are publicly rightwing in an attempt to gain mainstream acceptance by saying, in effect, “I’m as conventional as June Cleaver, so how can you not accept me?” And the Leftists applaud this, because it is seen as an effective tactic in their larger goal of gaining public acceptance for just about any kind of sexual perversion or mental illness.

  9. slumber_j says:

    As I may or may not have said here before, maybe four years ago my now long-ago ex-wife’s younger brother moved from Seville to Madrid after an unfortunate divorce from a Spanish friend of mine who was reverting to lesbianism, and in short order decided he was now a woman.

    Now there’s a mouthful.

    Anyway, he’s now in some phase of moving from Marc (or in Spain, Marco) to “Mar”–as in María del Mar, as in Mary of the Sea. (Please hold all canned-tuna jokes until the end.)

    He was always a tremendous oddball with severe emotional problems, most of which are probably brain-chemical in nature but many of which were very likely exacerbated by his parents’ abominable behavior when he was a child.

    For example, after one youthful suicide attempt in NYC he was interviewed by the shrinks at the hospital, who then interviewed his mother to get a baseline read on the biographical facts. Marc’s mother insisted that she’d only been married twice–once to his American father, and now to a fancy Spaniard.

    “But Marc said you took him to Lima, Peru when he was nine and left him there for a year with your new second husband while you were on the other side of the Atlantic, and that you then returned and picked him up and divorced the man,” they said, now suspicious that their patient had made the whole thing up.

    “Oh, that didn’t count,” she answered laughingly in her inscrutable pan-European accent.

    At that time he was diagnosed as borderline and narcissistic, which seemed about right. (Never mind about my then-mother-in-law…) He was always very much that way, and a big sci-fi dork and general nerd with the usual libertarian streak.

    I’d say there was a lot of low-grade autistic background radiation floating around in that head of his. Which was as large and hairy as the rest of him…although not so much any more, I guess.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  10. Whiskey says: • Website

    Leftists love trannies because most of the left is White female. Women love gender freaks. Freaks of any kind reallt. Let’s them virtue signal.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Tiny Duck
    , @Svigor
  11. anon[104] • Disclaimer says:

    “Bruce Jenner is typical”

    Jenner, like many M2F, I think is circumstantial evidence in favor of my grey matter utilization theory. Bruce after transitioning stated that he still likes girls; he also puts on make-up and dresses up in elaborate attire. Females have an intrinsic desire to compete socially with each other (and get attention for themselves so they can attract mates). One way they can do this is through dress-up and putting on make-up. I would speculate that M2F trans are just people who are relying on compensatory female pathways in the brain as a result of grey matter changes (sports injuries, steroid use, congenital defects, brain lesions, viral infection, etc.).

    This produces people who engage in female, attention-seeking (histrionic), behaviors without actually wanting to be female, despite what they think (still liking girls); some of the male pathway stuff is still there. These people want to LOOK like attractive females as a means of attention – seeking, social competition as women do. And women are disproportionately judged as being more physically attractive than men, so there is the impulse to seek that out.

    This is why aggressive males like Bruce are more likely to be trans: they are the kinds of people who are most likely to have put themselves in a position to have experienced these grey matter changes (competitive sports, androgen usage, etc.). It would be interesting to study the pornography viewing habits of these people. Do they overlap with the kinds of porn women like? I would suspect that they do not, which might be evidence in favor of my theory.

    As for the liberal stuff, many more straight men are attracted to female-looking male transgenders than you might think. It is theorized in psych circles that this may have something to do with their childhoods or what they were exposed to at an early age – some confusion between themselves and their mothers/siblings or something. I can’t remember the exact explanation at the moment, but it struck me as plausible when I first heard it.

    I’d be willing to bet that at least one M2F person reads this site. Perhaps we could entice them to post their thoughts on the subject?

  12. bjondo says:

    Has to do with the Zionized Late Stage Capitalist West.

    Instead of creating jobs, this new entity creates freaks, fakery,

    rubbish, trans-rubbish, loons, charlatans,

    unimaginable wealth for the rubbish tied into the secret state.

    • LOL: Digital Samizdat
  13. I’d have to see specific examples of who these “right wingers” are. Other than voting for Republicans, what makes these guys right of center? Not in words, but in behavior and action?

    Conservative and traditional family values? (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA)

    Ok sorry.

    After sitting here and staring at the screen for a few minutes I’m not so sure this is a simple as right versus left. Most of the elected Republicans are R/CINO’s anyway.

    For example: Are blacks “left-wing” because they vote democrat? The ones I know, the actual working class blacks with intact families (stop it), are pro gun, anti-homosexual, church going people. Most certainly carry the race chip on their shoulder, but they definitely aren’t globalist invite the world types. (Note this example is not meant to steer the conversation off topic, it is just an example. There is no need to illustrate that it isn’t a perfectly perfect comparison, because the general idea is that there is more complexity to these topics than just right vs left, Democrat vs. Republican [especially dealing with the mentally ill.] Most current political discussion falls outside the definition of those terms anyway. )

    It takes more than merely voting Republican and wanting lower taxes to be called right wing, I think.

  14. RCB says:

    Most older white males are conservative. Perhaps this doesn’t need a grand theory?

  15. I’m interested in what makes these late onset male to female trans folks so appealing to progressives when it seems obvious to me that, say, 80% of them are rightwingers.

    Steve, I think you just answered your own question. Liberals have always liked to argue that anyone who professes a conventional sexual morality must really be a repressed sexual deviant. They often argue, for example, that those who are morally opposed to homosexuality must be closet homos. This gives liberals the satisfaction of ‘knowing’ that anyone who disagrees with them is a twisted hypocrite, and as a bonus, the accusation (once made) is usually completely unfalsifiable. And in that rare case when the individual in question really does turn out to be a homo or a tranny, they can proclaim their repression ‘theory’ confirmed!

    • Agree: TTSSYF
  16. @anon

    Your reference to steroid use a contributor to transsexualism is off base, but then again steroids are a go to boogeyman for lots of people who simply are not well informed about them; and yes that goes for physicians as well. I would contend that 100′s of 1000′s of men use synthetic testosterone in some form recreationally and or medically in the US, and no larger % of them have a desire to change their sex compared to the rest of the population.

    In the case of this current high rate of late middle age M2F transsexualism, I would observe that having a declining level of testosterone, and an simultaneous increase in estrogen levels, as is a natural development in aging men, would be a bigger contributor to the process. Maybe it’s not, but it’s certainly more reasonable than suggesting higher T levels are the culprit.

    But, then again, a predisposition for narcissism, while being exposed to a master manipulator/exploiter (Kris Jenner or the like), and recognizing the benefits of being a woman vs. a man in the current year are a great start. Throw in a lot of recreational cocaine and marijuana use over the decades plus a low sense of usefulness since the end of the glory years and you have the making of just the sort of mentally ill person we are talking about.

  17. Thea says:

    There must be a different yet related explanation for why those not suffering from it are so forcefully pushing it, like Twitter censors. Maybe they see it as way to corrupt conservatives through indulging their moral degeneracy but I don’t think they think through like that. It may just be the enjoyment of rubbing normal guys’ faces in it.

    And for this cause God should send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. 2 th 2:11

  18. hamont says:

    Where does Jan Morris fit in to the older MtF pantheon?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  19. bjdubbs says:

    Here is Kristol interviewing M2F transgender person Thomas Donnelly before she came out. American empire to spread transgender ideology (but “it also bleeds into license . . .”, which fits the cranky old guy stereotype).

    https://conversationswithbillkristol.org/transcript/thomas-donnelly-transcript/

    DONNELLY: But again, you look back over the history of 75 years and, sure, there have been government excesses, but government power has been used to secure freedoms for black people, for women, for gay people, now for transgender people. I mean the scope of individual, you know – it almost bleeds over into license and decadence to a certain degree.

    KRISTOL: Right.

    DONNELLY: But, individual Americans have never been as free as they are now, and that’s because we felt safe.

    KRISTOL: Yeah. And also, because we – I think there’s a connection between promoting liberty at home [abroad?] and defending it at home.

    DONNELLY: Sure.

    KRISTOL: And being serious about it at home and abroad.

  20. anon[190] • Disclaimer says:

    By “right-wing”, do we mean socially-conservative or libertarian? Because transgenderism is pretty at home on the sci-fi end of the libertarian spectrum. Transhumanism, even.

    Anyway, slightly off-topic: Who Are the Rich, White Men Institutionalizing Transgender Ideology?

    The author, who I presume is one of those hateful bigoted TERFs we keep hearing about, says it’s basically all about money.

    This makes sense. Transgenderism should be a gold mine for the medical industry. New excuses for therapy, drugs, and surgery, none of which are performed for free. Best of all, since none of these treatments actually work, the patient is guaranteed to come back for more. They pay you to chop their giblets off, and five years later when they’re still miserable, they pay you to stick them back on again.

    Any doctor troubled by his ethics ought to remind himself of the doctor’s oath: first do no harm (to your bank balance).

    • Agree: TTSSYF
  21. Asdf says:

    Are we out of ways to rebel yet?

    • Replies: @Svigor
  22. A long-time straight male friend has recently “come out” as a lesbian transgender, and to say we were gobsmacked is putting it mildly. He was always far to the right, even before my husband and I were, but to me he always seemed masochistic and fearful of women. He could well be very slightly autistic, and certainly depressive. “The Man Who Would Be Queen” seemed to be about him. He’s no histrionic but certainly self-centered in a passive way. He knows I don’t think he’s a woman, I don’t think he has a clue about being a woman, he’s not even especially effeminate, more androgynous, but I cannot be cruel to him, and he truly seems more at home in his skin as a “woman.” So I’m helping him with hair and make-up. *shrug* But my husband says for now leave him out of it, he cannot handle it. P.S. My referring to my trans friend as “he” was entirely unconscious. I’ve known her as a man for 45 years. To her credit, she has been very forgiving of my persistent dead naming.

    • Replies: @Anon
  23. Im coming out of the closet as a straight white male. I know I am risking it but wont you accept me?

    • LOL: Hibernian
  24. Totally off-topic but I was just amused to learn about one of Mueller’s severest criticism of Flynn, i.e., that Flynn “impeded the ability of the public” to learn of Erdogan’s attempts extradite Fethullah Gulen back to Turkey. (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/mueller-gives-new-details-flynn-s-secretive-work-turkey-n943926)

    My first thought on reading this was that anyone who regularly read Steve Sailer’s column, instead of relying on fake news MSM sources like NBC, would not only have known about this but also would have known the whole back story, which NBC and most other MSM sources have still yet to relate.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  25. @MikeatMikedotMike

    MikeatMike said: I’d have to see specific examples of who these “right wingers” are. Other than voting for Republicans, what makes these guys right of center? Not in words, but in behavior and action?

    Good point. Well, what makes anybody truly right-wing? My trans friend still talks about how the world is going to hell in a handbasket, while sitting across from me in a wig, lipstick, and tasteful lady’s pantsuit. Maybe I’m a secret cultural Marxist because I pretend he’s a woman to his face. I dunno. It’s nuts.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  26. Bill H says: • Website

    “Is the appeal of these cranky middle aged self-centered guys who announce that they are women the idea of breaking down borders?”

    I think it has to do with them embracing the “right side” in the culture war. They have “become winners.”

    They have become women because they recognize that the male gender is the losing side in the “war between the sexes,” and that when men are attacked no defense is permitted. Further, to gain a position with any sort of power one must be female today, so they are joining the side with power.

    In an election today, for instance, it is obscene and utterly unpermissable to vote for a male candidate because he is male, while not only is it permissible to vote for a female candidate merely because she is female, it is impermissable not to vote for her because she is a female if one is oneself female.

    • Replies: @Anon
  27. JEG says:

    I know very well several transwomen, who are highly regarded professionals and transitioned later in life. They all felt inside that they were female their entire lives. I would not even consider applying a diagnosis of autism, narcissism or histrionic personality disorder to any of them. Politically, they are all left-wing, in part because the left supports trans issues and the right doesn’t. They may or may not be representative of transwomen in general, but I think it’s important to point out that such transwomen exist.

  28. Esso says:

    There’s something about the libertarian / atheist / transhumanist / pro-nuclear nexus. Lots of ponytails and earrings starting in adolescence, along with long leather coats and fedoras.

    What is the politics of the Wachowski sisters?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  29. Lot says:

    Weekly Standard looks like it will either shut down or heavily downsize!

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/04/media/weekly-standard-future-uncertain/index.html

    The funds subsidizing it will go to mildly nationalist Washington Examiner, which is even better.

  30. @slumber_j

    At that time he was diagnosed as borderline and narcissistic …

    At that time she was diagnosed as borderline and narcissistic.

    FIFY. (Marc’s mom and now Marc ;-)

    • Replies: @slumber_j
  31. hcm says:

    Entryism.

    The left will never turn down an opportunity to infiltrate, disrupt, and divide the enemy.

  32. anon[324] • Disclaimer says:

    “Most older white males are conservative. Perhaps this doesn’t need a grand theory?”

    Question: how does transgenderism vary by ethnicity, age, profession, and nation?

  33. Twinkie says:

    Those affected often spend much time thinking about achieving power or success, or on their appearance.[3] They often take advantage of the people around them.[3]

    So, actresses and politicians…

  34. Dan Hayes says:
    @Lot

    Lot:

    Weekly Standard demise: good bye and good riddance!

    Christopher Caldwell is the only good one in a (very) bad lot. Where will he wind up at? Hopefully not the equally egregious National Review. Chronicles would be a natural, although I am afraid it does not have the requisite subscription base.

  35. slumber_j says:
    @AnotherDad

    You’re right: I’m deadnaming again. Not okay.

    • LOL: AnotherDad
  36. Why are middle-aged autogynephiles right-wing?

    1. They’re middle-aged to older men, in high-testosterone occupations. They’re also really attached to traditional gender roles–none of this “free to be you and me” crap for them. Except it turns out they prefer being Betty Draper to Don Draper, so they’re switching sides.

    The autogynephile concept also helps to explain why they tend to have “high-T” life histories–Olympic athletes, CEOs, supersoldiers. High T means high sex drive, which means when you have paraphilic tendencies, the pull of the paraphila is stronger. Their fetish is driving the bus.

    Younger AGPs seem to have high- to pathological levels of porn consumption, and are skipping the 20-to-30-years-of-model-heterosexual-masculinity on the way to the intersectionality of aggressive male entitlement and hysterical female emotionalism.

    Why does the left accept them anyway?
    1. They may be vocal Republicans and Trump supporters, but they are a club to use against the white male cisheteropatriarchal etc etc. Their Republicanism, like their general narcissism and unpleasantness, and their proclivity for MeToo violations and interest in weird porn is a forgivable vice in that context.

  37. anonymous[347] • Disclaimer says:

    There’s been a hunt for guys in macho type jobs to come out as gay or trannie so as so disprove it as a sissy sort of thing. Hence the excitement over any football player or other jock who comes out. They have to take what’s available. Some seem to be rather rightist probably because they feel they’ve made their own way in the world with little outside support and so don’t see themselves as particularly tied to any one group. They’re individualistic and those types tend to be conservative even if they’re weird in the sex/gender department.

  38. Why Do Leftists Adore Rightist Transgenders?

    The old adage, probably French, is, “When your enemy is committing suicide, don’t interfere.”

    • Replies: @Anonym
  39. Steve is not the only one to suggest it. Early 20th century and before most of the marxist left identified homos and trannies as being decadent bourgeois perverts.

    Went looking for some commie links:

    http://distributedrepublic.net/archives/2006/05/01/the-treatment-of-homosexuals-under-communism/

    https://ahtribune.com/in-depth/1014-homosexuality.html

    It’s not very common on the left anymore but leave it to new culturally marxist left to make someone nostalgic for the good old stalinist commies.

  40. istevefan says:

    Here is another story to file for the next time we get a “race does not exist” article.

    • Replies: @Silva
  41. Dtbb says:

    Maybe it is just “Tiny Duck Syndrome”.

  42. Honestly, I’ve never noticed this. But then, my knowledge of actual transgenders is pretty limited.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Lurker
  43. So I’m definitely not keeping up with so-called transgenders in the news and thought this article would provide such a listing of older males who pretend they are female and also vote Republican. I know of one, Bruce/Catlin Jenner, but who are others? And perhaps more importantly, why should anyone care?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Ian M.
  44. Hail says: • Website
    @Svigor

    Culture of critique extends to critiquing oppressive genderism.

  45. Hail says: • Website
    @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    Me too.*

    It might help to list some examples because none occur to me.

    ________

    * – (Should I be using this phrase? I hope it’s not lost forever and hereafter designates a woman who was sexually assaulted or coerced by a man; Speaking of which, I do hope we can recover the word “Pride.” It would be a real shame if, like “Gay” before it, “Pride” comes to be designate homosexuality and loses its original meaning.)

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  46. Mr. Anon says:
    @Lot

    Perhaps The Weekly Standard just needs to revamp its’ look. This, for example, would be more honest:

    https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/capabilities/weapon-systems.html

  47. Mr. Anon says:
    @Hail

    Speaking of which, I do hope we can recover the word “Pride.” It would be a real shame if, like “Gay” before it, “Pride” comes to be designate homosexuality and loses its original meaning.)

    It does however lend new meaning to the phrase “Pride goeth before the fall”.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
  48. Pat Boyle says:
    @anon

    Dumbest theory this week. But it’s only Wednesday.

  49. Anonym says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The old adage, probably French, is, “When your enemy is committing suicide, don’t interfere.”

    Why do leftists adore rightist transgenders? A representative of your most hated enemy whom you have mind-****ed into emasculating himself – literally and voluntarily having his balls cut off?

    I don’t know if I would give my left nut to be able to will my enemies into self-castration (hey, why am I having these thoughts now?) but it sure would be a cool skill to have. I would be gloating about it too, just like the leftists do.

    • Replies: @larry lurker
  50. Gregory Peck portrayed Mengele as a guy with not a lot of empathy for an ugly married fraulein in the movie The Boys From Brazil.

    I don’t think Peck ever thought of lopping his off.

    James Mason was a cranky English guy, he must have told the producers of The Boys From Brazil he’d use a German accent if he got a hundred thousand more dollars or so, and when they said no, he just added a tiny bit of Kraut to his usual Yorkshire accent.

    Peck went frigging over the top with his German accent just for fun.

    Peck Without Much Empathy:

  51. Dumbest theory this week. But it’s only Wednesday.

    If you have something better, please let us in on it.

  52. Tiny Duck says:
    @Whiskey

    Seems to me the only people who care at all about whtat other people are doing in provate is overprivileged incsecure white males

    • Replies: @fish
    , @Mr. Anon
  53. Tyrion 2 says:

    I don’t think the fantasy itself is particularly strange and therefore it does not need explaining. The possibility of seeing the world from a radically different perspective is obviously exciting. Were there a perfect pill that allowed you to switch sex and switch back with ease and full effect, I think it’d be unusual not to try it, if only (partly) for a laugh.

    This means the issue with late life transexual people today is not so much their fantasy but their lack of prioritisation for the wellbeing of those close to them and also their ability to delude themselves into thinking that the transition techniques will actually work, or even have actually worked.

    I don’t think these are particularly right wing things. I think they are often middle aged successful slightly aspergery bloke things, and that the media often stereotypes those negative qualities as right wing.

  54. Silva says:
    @istevefan

    So, she needs *actual* Arya blood!

  55. syonredux says:

    Off-topic,

    Interesting passage from Ross Douthat’s “Why We Miss The Wasps”:

    The WASP virtues also included a cosmopolitanism that was often more authentic than our own performative variety — a cosmopolitanism that coexisted with white man’s burden racism but also sometimes transcended it, because for every Brahmin bigot there was an Arabist or China hand or Hispanophile who understood the non-American world better than some of today’s shallow multiculturalists.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/05/opinion/george-bush-wasps.html

  56. @hamont

    Where does Jan Morris fit in to the older MtF pantheon?

    As the rare one with talent and skill. And something to say.

  57. @syonredux

    The WASP virtues also included a cosmopolitanism that was often more authentic than our own performative variety…

    Because “racists” are willing to look at people as how they are, and thus are more likely to appreciate their good points along with the bad.

    The “antiracist” is forced to believe that reality hates him and his views.

  58. Mike Pink says:

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/12/james-ostrowski/what-america-has-done-to-its-young-people-is-appalling/

    How would you rate this one on a 1-10 scale?

    Critics are perhaps too quick to judge America’s young people, citing declining SAT scores, obesity, drug overdoses, addiction to smart phones, bizarre alterations of personal appearance and high rates of (alleged) mental illness. It’s just too easy to be annoyed at how some of the cashiers at the local grocery store seem unable to carry on a conversation or have chosen to mutilate their faces with pieces of metal. We are perhaps too quick to condemn the crazed behavior of young protesters in recent years without fully considering what our government, society and culture have done to these poor souls.

    Let’s begin at the beginning. Forty percent of Americans are now born out of wedlock. Single parent families are associated with a long list of social maladies:

    “Children who grow up with only one of their biological parents (nearly always the mother) are disadvantaged across a broad array of outcomes. . . . they are twice as likely to drop out of high school, 2.5 times as likely to become teen mothers, and 1.4 times as likely to be idle — out of school and out of work — as children who grow up with both parents. Children in one-parent families also have lower grade point averages, lower college aspirations, and poorer attendance records. As adults, they have higher rates of divorce. These patterns persist even after adjusting for differences in race, parents’ education, number of siblings, and residential location.” Sara McLanahan, “The Consequences of Single Motherhood,” American Prospect (Summer 1994).

    [MORE]

    In addition, a large number of marriages will fail. That means that close to sixty percent of children will not grow up in the classic nuclear family of the 1950’s. How much of this change is due to government policies is hard to say, however, as government grows, the traditional family shrinks. When government subsidies to single parent families increase, so do the number of such families. As Jack Kemp used to say, when you subsidize something, you get more of it. Yes, culture also plays a role but don’t forget that government can change the culture as well. Women tend to come out ahead in Family Court—they get the house, the kids and much of the man’s spare change thanks to unrealistic support formulas. This provides an incentive in marginal cases for women to seek a divorce. Increases in divorces made them more socially acceptable over time.

    Even with intact families, the idyllic norm of the 1950’s, where the mother typically stayed home to take care of the kids until they reached school age and perhaps even long afterwards, has been destroyed. These days, in the typical American family, both parents work fulltime which means that a very large percentage of children are consigned to daycare. Daycare was virtually unknown in my world growing up in the 1960’s. On the working class South Buffalo street where I grew up, I don’t recall any mother with young children working full-time. The overwhelming majority were housewives while a few would get part-time jobs after the kids started school. I was not aware of any daycare centers in the neighborhood and certainly do not recall anyone who ever attended one.

    The statistics bear this out. Daycare was once unusual for the middle class, but now over two-thirds of children lack a full-time stay-at-home parent. (Source: Center for American Progress) Like single parent families, daycare carries with it a long list of undesirable likely consequences. These include “more mental and behavioral problems, more mind-altering drugs, more STDs, more obese, unhappy and institutionalized children of all ages.” Mary Eberstadt, (2004) (A fabulous but widely-ignored book).

    Thus, in the critical first five years of life, the vast majority of Americans are deprived of the obvious benefits of growing up in an intact family with the mother at home in the pre-school years. We baby boomers took this for granted. That world is gone with the wind. Why? Two main reasons: feminism and progressive big government. Feminism encouraged women to get out of the home and out from under the alleged control of husbands who allegedly controlled the family finances. Traditional mothers were derided as “baby factories” as if working in an actual factory making widgets was somehow more edifying than nurturing human beings at home.

    Second, the trend toward ever larger and more intrusive big government that started in the Progressive Era around 1916, hadn’t yet weighed down the economy to the extent that two incomes were needed to support a family in the 1950’s and 1960’s. Yet, government grows steadily under progressive ideology, and after the twin shocks of the Great Society and the Vietnam War, by the 1970’s stagflation kicked in and it became increasingly difficult to support a family with one income. Married women, whether they liked it or not or were under the sway of feminist ideology, were pushed into the labor market if only to have most of their wages seized to pay the dozens of taxes the family must pay. The take-home pay of many women is barely more than the family’s total tax bill. Ironically, “women’s lib” ended up converting women from baby factories into full-time tax livestock.

    It gets worse. After five years of being raised by strangers and deprived of maternal care, 90% of American youth are compelled to attend government schools for 12-13 years. As I explained in my book, government schools are rife with crime, drugs, promiscuity, mediocre education and political propaganda.
    Next comes college for about 70% of Americans. While many young people thrive in college, many others graduate with huge debt and poor job prospects and a hard left ideology poorly suited for success in life. Leftism teaches resentment of others, inculcates a victim mentality and teaches some students to hate their skin color while teaching others to blame the skin color of others for the difficulties they will face in life. Leftism does not inculcate the positive thinking, initiative, work ethic and perseverance in the face of adversity which are the hallmarks of successful people.

    Finally, we send this disadvantaged group of young Americans into a very hostile job market. Here, we saddle them with their per capita share of government debt as the guarantors of the fraudulent campaign promises of dead progressive politicians such as FDR and LBJ. A good accountant could figure how this debt translates into increased per capita taxes by dividing the number of taxpayers by the annual debt service. It is perhaps $2000 per person. Next comes student loan debt, a contrivance once again of dead progressive politicians to benefit overpaid progressive and left professors and administrators. This can easily be yet another $2000 per year.

    Young people are shunted into the job market because the progressive state has made starting a business extremely difficult with a bundle of taxes and regulations. The mere process of getting a job, which used to take a few days in the free market, now takes many months. Many jobs require government permission. Employers need to vet employees more carefully to avoid a plethora of costly discrimination lawsuits. Young workers’ productivity is largely eaten up by the direct and indirect effects of a myriad and taxes and regulations, often leaving workers with just enough to pay the bills but not move forward, have families or save for the future. As a result, a record number of young people are forced to move back in with their parents.

    The startling message I want to convey is that modern America treats its young people abominably from birth through young adulthood. This is largely because of the direct and indirect effects of numerous destructive progressive policies. This explains the numerous problems many young people are having. They have a right to be angry but need to focus on the true cause of the overwhelming majority of these problems: progressive big government. To the young people of America, I say: take the red pill; then, don’t get mad; get even. Make life better for your own children than what progressive America foisted upon you.

  59. @JEG

    I know very well several transwomen, who are highly regarded professionals and transitioned later in life. They all felt inside that they were female their entire lives.

    You have known them from childhood on, and they told you as teenagers that they feel female inside? Or are they saying now that they always felt female inside despite a dearth of contemporaneous evidence of such?

    • Replies: @JEG
  60. fish says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Ohs Tinys…….

    Yo show did liked it when I used “little Lendspurt” to gibs you dat “provate” massage.

    Lendbert “teh heeler” Pit

    • LOL: BB753, Corn
  61. Anonymous[219] • Disclaimer says:

    Becoming a M2F transexual later in life comes at an enormous professional cost, which is typically larger for a Type-A male than a more effeminate beta.

    It’s very likely the Type A’s always felt this way but tend to be practical as well. The earnings hit for a hard-charging type-A guy is much larger than the soft-spoken beta. So the beta becomes a fem early in life. The Type A waits until their prime earning years are behind them, or they are in a professional spot where it does not matter. Throw in a late-life drop in testosterone, kids being grown and an increasing realization that life is finite, so they figure why not.

    Suspect the desire to be a transexual is overwhelmingly genetic. But the timing for doing so is a fairly cold calculation of paycheck vs “you only live once”, along with secondary priorities.

  62. @Lot

    We know you’re too classy for schadenfreude, Steve, but I feel I speak for all of us, when I say a wee grave dancing post or two, would be well received.

  63. @syonredux

    The WASP virtues also included a cosmopolitanism that was often more authentic than our own performative variety — a cosmopolitanism that coexisted with white man’s burden racism but also sometimes transcended it, because for every Brahmin bigot there was an Arabist or China hand or Hispanophile who understood the non-American world better than some of today’s shallow multiculturalists.

    Thanks Syon. That is a good quote from Ross.

    As i’ve quipped before, we have the most parochial “cosmopolitans” in history. People who say “multicultural” but think inside every person of color in the world there is a white liberal progressive, trapped by oppressive traditons–due to “colonialism” or “imperialism” or “capitalism”–just itching to bust out.

    In fact, while the Anglos–like everyone–had their ethnic prejudices, the interested ones, being of a more empirical turn of mind than today’s “elites”, actually learned about foreign cultures, some immersing themselves in them and often growing to have a deep appreciation, even love for them. As a result they didn’t think “everyone is the same”, but actually had a much more complex, dare i say “cosmopolitan” view of the world.

    • Agree: GermanReader2
  64. Rosie says:

    I’m interested in what makes these late onset male to female trans folks so appealing to progressives when it seems obvious to me that, say, 80% of them are rightwingers. In contrast, you almost never hear of, say, a liberal NPR anchorman announcing in his unassertive indoor voice that he’s now an anchorwoman.

    The whole trans thing is so bizarre, based as it is on rather severe gender essentialism. When we were discussing HH the Dalai Llama on this site, I remember thinking there too that his popularity with the Left is strange considering that Tibetan Buddhism in particular takes a very realist approach to, and indeed flamboyantly celebrates, sexual polarity.

  65. syonredux says:
    @syonredux

    there was an Arabist or China hand or Hispanophile who understood the non-American world better than some of today’s shallow multiculturalists.

    It’s interesting. I’ve noticed that a lot of people seem to be unaware of the fact that 19th century Anglo-America was a world leader in scholarship pertaining to the Iberian world. Ticknor’s History of Spanish literature was universally recognized (even by Spaniards) as a masterpiece; Prescott’s Conquest of Mexico and Conquest of Peru endured for decades as the classic accounts of how Spain won her empire in the New World; and even Washington Irving lent a hand, producing the quite charming collection Tales of the Alhambra…..

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  66. Mr. Anon says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Seems to me the only people who care at all about whtat other people are doing in provate is overprivileged incsecure white males

    You seem to care about whtat we say in provate.

    Are you a.) overprivileged, b.) incsecure, r.) white, or h.) male? Makr all tat apply.

  67. Mr. Anon says:
    @Esso

    What is the politics of the Wachowski sisters?

    Degenerate.

  68. @syonredux

    Ross Douthat is a horrible dolt who is nothing more than a nasty propaganda whore for the plutocrat globalizers.

    Kevin MacDonald weighs in on Douthat and the Weekly Standard at the same time:

  69. “Why Do Leftists Adore Rightist Transgenders?”

    because they get john mccains out of them.

    life long republican voting conservative leaning men who are suddenly ‘women’, then use their ‘credibility’ of being a life long republican voting conservative to promote and cajole the other conservatives to coming around to the leftists way of thinking on chopping your penis off.

    i encounter them once in a while now. transexuals who are way to the right on everything, except when it comes to homos, and trans people. because these weirdos are 0.00001% of all humans, they pose absolutely, positively zero threat to leftists whatsoever, and can only possibly have one function:

    homosexual suicide bombs in the conservative ranks.

    leftists are smart, and know which people are their putative allies and useful stooges. they pick them up fast, and promote them.

    “James Comey and Robert Mueller are LIFE LONG Republicans. See Republicans? Trump is WRONG.”

    “John McCain is a WAR HERO. See Republicans? Listen to HIM. NOT other Republicans.”

    “Bruce Jenner, now Caitlin Jenner, is stunning and brave. And, a lifelong Republicans. See Republicans? She understands what’s correct.”

    and right on cue, jenner throws a hysterical fit that trump ‘betrayed’ him.

    • Agree: fish
    • Replies: @Anon
  70. As a trans woman (transitioned at age 21), my experience has been that most trans women are reserved, (overly) sensitive/emotional, and empathetic. This holds regardless of sexuality, although gynephilic trans women tend to be much, much, much more successful in forming romantic relationships and thus happier than those of us only/predominantly interested in men.

    People who are vocal and self-confident, whether a cliché late transitioner or flamboyant, young trans woman, naturally garner attention.

    I read Steve because I generally am open minded on HBD and skeptical of the prevailing immigration policy and internationalism. I’m a liberal individualist, which often makes me seem “conservative” when compared to trending identity politics.

    On that note I think trans women participating in women’s sports is unfair and produces horrible optics, transitioning with minor children is awful, and there should be stronger gatekeeping for access to women’s spaces.

  71. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Because today’s so-called ‘leftists’ are not leftists. They are decadent elites or wanna-be’s. They are eliftists.

  72. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    There is no evidence that Mueller is investigating anything. He ducked the Russians who showed up here and demanded a hearing, and his triumphs are process crimes. This last item particularly makes no sense at all. It doesn’t work logically as a sentence — has Sibel Edmonds been informed that by law the federal government must inform random people about Turkish events? Like collusion, this isn’t a legal matter. And if it was a law, and mattered, it still has nothing to do with Mueller’s assignment.
    The Mueller fishing expedition is blowing back on itself (true believers are sick of waiting for years), it’s further deepening the crisis of authority (FBI and special counsel = political infighting, not law enforcement or serious investigation), and, happily enough, it will eventually damage (further) the IX/XI official story (Mueller is a liar and a clean-up man, not an investigator, so what did he do on the commission?).

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
  73. @Anonym

    So to reformulate Reg Cæsar’s quote: “When your enemy is cutting his balls off, don’t interfere.”

  74. J.Ross says: • Website

    Veggie Tales? Know who else liked vegetables?
    A group of students at a California college’s “Annual Whiteness Forum” labeled the Christian children’s cartoon “VeggieTales” as “dangerous” and promoting racial stereotypes for making the villains colored.
    The forum at Cal State San Marcos is a project from Professor Dreama Moon’s class titled “The Communication of Whiteness.” Students called various things racist, including the NFL, women who support President Trump, and the popular animated cartoon that started in 1993 and always ended with Bob the Tomato and Larry the Cucumber’s tagline, “Remember kids, God made you special* and he loves you very much,”

    https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/veggietales-is-racist-and-dangerous-for-children-california-students-claim

    *A dog whistle, thus: “God made you white.”

    • Replies: @fish
    , @Anon
  75. The commenter SFG has an interesting theory on why this happens to high testosterone guys in middle age:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/man-who-fathered-feminist-susan-faludi-is-now-woman-who-definitely-didnt-mother-her/#comment-1455696

  76. I don’t care enough to look it up, but I’m virtually positive that HPD has been folded into the BPD category in the latest diagnostic manual.

    And Jenner is a transexual, not transgender. The meaning of words don’t change just because some freak says so.

    • Replies: @P.J. Collins
  77. Lurker says:
    @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    I think most people’s knowledge of trannies is pretty limited. There just aren’t enough of them to go around.

  78. JEG says:
    @kaganovitch

    As far as I know none of my transwomen friends (all of whom I have only known for about 3 years) can present “solid” evidence in such form as childhood pictures or testimony from friends or family; however, my inclination is to believe them since I have never known them to mislead me about anything else from their lives. Clearly none of them were masculine boys and all of them would have suffered dire consequences if they had acknowledged their feelings of being a girl when they were young in the 1950′s, 1960′s and/or 1970′s.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
    , @kaganovitch
  79. istevefan says:
    @syonredux

    Check out Ross’ tweet advertising this article. He is getting slammed for the sin of lamenting the Ancien Régime.

  80. El Dato says:

    Do you want a vagina with that?

  81. ‘Progressives’ love rightwing trannies because high-achiever, conservative types make them feel worse about themselves than any other demo, so if one of them turns out to be a deviant, they feel better.

    It’s all about the feeelz.

  82. anonymous[422] • Disclaimer says:

    Rightist crossdresser here. The big paradox I see is how real women treat crossdressers versus mtfs, even though the two have the same psyches. Even in kink circles, crossdressers are reviled while everyone pretends to love mtfs.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    , @Anon
  83. Anon[200] • Disclaimer says:

    Bruce Jenner had hystrionic tendencies before he ever became transgender. He kept trying to make himself a public figure after the Olympics but before the reality TV stint. I suspect that in his warped California environment, he simply felt being transgender would give him plenty of extra attention and make money, so it was a win for him.

    Jenner has had years to think about how ex-Olympic stars get money and fame, and other than a brief spotlight, their fame usually turns into obscurity and maybe a quiet coaching career. After the Olympics, he likely found it a massive emotional comedown to be out of the spotlight, and being transgender is one way of keeping himself in it. I’m not even sure he cares about the transgender part at all.

    If you’re competing for the spotlight with a family member like Kim Kardashian, how do you compete? You become a woman, but a strange enough woman that nobody ever forgets you even with the spotlight on her. He’s actually trying to compete with all the other attention-hogging women in his adopted family–remember, this guy is a professional Olympic-class competitor with the must-win-at-all-costs mindset, and that includes winning against his own family.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @TTSSYF
  84. That Guy says:

    They don’t like them. Notice how Bruce/Caitlyn’s show was canceled a couple years ago. I think there’s some resentment that the poster child for all of this was a republican.

  85. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Red Pill Angel

    My feeling towards these people is that I also wish a lot of unrealistic things for myself. For example, I’d love to start as a striker for England at the World Cup. Nonetheless, if somebody offered me a very unhealthy and expensive fascimile of the experience I wouldn’t take it. It wouldn’t be it, so I’ll just have to accept that I will never be an international football star.

    TLDR, who do they think they’re kidding?

    • Replies: @Anony Trans
    , @J.Ross
  86. Tyrion 2 says:
    @JEG

    But the surgery doesn’t work. I have wanted all sorts of things for myself that I’d be a fool to pursue, at great expense to my health and bank account, as they are simply not achievable.

    Obviously their feelings are felt. And obviously they’re free to make their own decisions. But reality remains.

    • Replies: @Anon
  87. Maybe someone already said this, but doesn’t it make sense that as woman take over the power ranks in society, that some men will go all in and transition to female so they can stay in the game?

  88. fish says:
    @J.Ross

    The difference between being Hungry and Horny…….

    Where you put Larry the Cucumber!

  89. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    Send al the morons and teacher in that class out into the nearby fields and orchards to pick vegetables and fruit in 110 degree heat. Who needs immigrant pickers when California has tens of thousands of potential pickers in the colleges. Put shackles or hobbles in them too.
    Never heard of a vegetable cartoon. Next up, An exploration of the inherent racism of White hair. Term paper topic; Racism of old Whites who let their hair turn White instead of dying it brown. Another topic; white walls, racism or conformity?

  90. J.Ross says: • Website

    The Paris police are calling up every officer, on duty or not, and presumably leaves are canceled even if they’re not French. This is after Macron granted a meaningless six-month delay in the gas surtax that is the explanation offered by the lyingpress. The protests are now in Germany, Netherlands, and Belgium.

    Police claim they are being ordered to blast tear gas canisters directly at protesters Israeli-style. While normal in Israel (even against Jewish targets) this is not done in the West and is normally prohibited out of fear of lawsuits.

  91. Anon[274] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    That’s easy. It’s NIMBY applied to identity.

    Beyond the fad for “loving” transsexuals which appeals to certain women who like to participate in mainstream culture; transsexuals also fit more easily into a type which can be dismissed as other than the cross-dresser.

    It’s advocating for that which doesn’t affect oneself in the slightest. This has become the standard pose among female professional types.

    I think you’d find the same type of acceptance for gay men which doesn’t quite extend to the bi-sexual or pan-sexual or any of these self-proclaimed identities which are slightly messy or deviate from easily described norms. Those who are “not quite other”- and “not quite other” can affect them and their romantic life in a way they imagine a transsexual won’t.

  92. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @JEG

    There’s only about 7,000 in the entire country. There used to be a lot in San Francisco but they can’t afford the rents anymore. Where do you find them?
    It’s interesting that the majority are men to women. I wonder why.

  93. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    It’s not the surgery it’s the hormones that make the face and body hair fall out. The hormones help tone down the masculine walk and movements

    Best thing about the hormones is they never go bald and thinning hair grows back.

  94. jon says:
    @Anony Trans

    Thanks for posting, it’s rare to actually have someone from the “other side” on issues here. Some questions, if you don’t mind:

    When did you first feel like you were in the wrong gender? What was that like?

    Are you attracted to men, women, both? Did this change when your gender changed?

    Do you think transgenderism is distinguishable from transracialism or transableism? Why or how?

    What’s the difference between living as the other gender versus just living as a particularly feminine male?

    Do you think there are any alternatives to transitioning for people who have gender dysphoria?

    Feel free to skip anything that might seem inappropriate, I’m really not trying to poke fun with any of these, just be nice to hear from someone with an insider perspective.

    • Replies: @Anony Trans
  95. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill H

    So you always vote for woman because they are women and never for a man?

  96. jon says:

    Since you like collecting anecdotes about hyper-masculine men that transition, you should check out Matt Kroczaleski. A former marine, world record powerlifter, and pro bodybuilder that was married and had 3-4 kids and is now known as Janae Marie. Plenty of pharmaceutical augmentation in this one’s past, for anyone who subscribes to the idea that this is all just a hormonal issue.

  97. Our democracy (any democracy) works better with a principled transgendered elite in charge. This unwavering Democrat admits that the current trend toward authoritarian, white nationalism in the western world scares the bejeezus out of me. I associate it with the power of fear and demagoguery, but also with democracy gone wild and a shattering of faith in the notion that America represents something valuable and good in this world of ours. A transgendered elite that holds fast to that faith is a necessary bulwark against the destructive forces represented by our current morally corrupt president.

  98. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Very true. Just being a fan of income redistribution shouldn’t qualify you as “liberal” unless you stand to lose income come the redistribution. Otherwise you’re just a bandit.

  99. Pat Boyle says:

    Is the ice returning? Maybe, maybe not, but it does seem to be the end of all the loose talk about Global Warming.

    Right now the Delaware River is frozen over near Trenton. You may remember Washington crossed the Delaware because he feared it would freeze over and allow the Hessians to walk over and invade his camp on the opposite shore.

    He crossed and we won the war. That was about the end of what climatologists call The Little Ice Age. Normally the Delaware didn’t freeze in the nineteenth or twentieth centuries. We may be near the end of the Holocene Interglacial. All human history and civilization has been in this few thousand years of warm weather. For about the last three million years we have had cycles of cold weather of about a hundred thousand years or so interspersed by warmer interglacials of about ten or fifteen thousand years.

    These are called Milankovich cycles. They are partially understood. Their beginnings and endings of the cycles are less well understood. Probably one winter it will just be colder than normal and a 100,000 years of continental ice sheets will start. This probably isn’t that year – I hope.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  100. It wouldn’t surprise me if George W Bush and Larry Kudlow announced that they are going to transition into women.

    It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that George HW Bush was a crossdresser who courted Dick Cheney with very cordial and polite letters of love and Cheney boy reciprocated like a DeWalt cheapo saw. That might explain all the heart attacks Cheney has had. Could be that Cheney is just a rancid treasonous rat globalizer bastard with rancid innards.

    The WASP/JEW ruling class of the American Empire is so evil and immoral that nothing would surprise me about these treasonous rat dirtbags.

    Speaking of things with a (De) in front of them, it turns out the Bush family might have Despenser blood through John Spencer. So the Bushes have some Norman blood.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1414277/The-blood-that-links-the-greatest-Britons.html

  101. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Red Pill Angel

    Much much more than hair and make up he needs to start beginning ballet classes.

    Then he needs to find some trannie movement and deportment classes and learn to put on and take off a coat or jacket like a lady. Get in and out of cars like a lady, sit down, sit and stand up like a lady, walk like a lady, bend down like a lady, pick something up and carry it like a lady and a lot of other things.

    Maybe some drag queen classes will help. Make up and hair won’t help if he’s still striding around like a man and plopping down arms and legs flailing all over the couch.

    The most helpful thing is to wear dresses and skirts instead of pants. Skirts signal woman. The biggest problem with pants is that there is just no way a man’s hips and thighs can ever look like a woman’s so no matter how long the hair one can always tell a tranny from behind.

    A modest frumpy collar length hair style dyed medium brown when he gets gray hair is best. Noticeable hair color and style makes people look and look again. Never never never nail polish because the features they can’t change are hands and height. Never red lipstick or any kind of eyeshadow or eye liner, just a little mascara. Just an unobtrusive peachy beige lipstick.

    The big giveaway is height. 80 percent of women are under 5’8 and the average women is 5’4. You can always tell a San Franciscan by how we check out tall women. Our eyes go right to the hands becaus there were so many very successful tyrannies there the only indication was height and hands.

    Fuggada about hair and makeup. That’s the least of it and the more modest and least noticeable the better. Nothing worse that a big tall man stomping around like a man with a fancy hairstyle and lots of makeup.

    Pants will never hide his man’s hips. He needs to find some successful trannies to teach him and the movement will take a year and a lot of practice. It will never be instinctive. He’ll have to be conscious of movement if he ever hoped to pass.

    • Replies: @Anon
  102. @Tyrion 2

    The fact a subset of trans people live imperceptibly as the sex with which they identify shows the flaw in your analogy.

    Claiming to have a incongruous gender identity, a personal sense of being, one which has scientific support, albeit not conclusive, is not like claiming to be an entirely different person, like Napoleon, or an external feat like winning the World Cup.

    It’s also not like claiming to be a cat, a different race, etc. which are not claims with any scientific plausiblity. Sex abnormalities are on the other hand a clear phenomenon, and further human adults’ developmental response to cross-sex hormones shows the barrier is permeable.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @TTSSYF
  103. Anon[330] • Disclaimer says:
    @JEG

    The Man Who Would be Queen is a book by sex researcher Michael Bailey, a professor at Northwestern. The predicament that he found himself in after publication of the book (and Steve Sailer was peripherally involved in) is described by Alice Dreger in Galileo’s Middle Finger.

    At any rate, TMWWBQ was based on the work of psychologist Ray Blanchard, still around and on Twitter. His research papers are listed here:

    http://individual.utoronto.ca/ray_blanchard/

    Blanchard found himself in the the position of his clinic being the gatekeeper for sex reassignment in Canada, since the national health insurance covered it, but they required the “Harry Benjamin protocol” be followed (live a year in target sex and talk to two psychologists over that time). This was before the quickie operations available today without gatekeeping and before the “I’ll keep my penis” philosophy evolved.

    Blanchard developed the two classifications at the time for transsexuals: homosexual and autogynephilic. (I think some of the internet age people fall into new categories, like rapid onset female to male teens).

    Autogyns are the Bruce Jenner types: macho professions and hobbies, often married with kids, late transition. What Blanchard found was that these guys were liers about “I always felt I was a woman trapped in a man’s body.” What they were were cross dressers who masturbated to their own image, dressed as women, occasionally trashing their wardrobes but then falling back into it. This led to a desire for transition.

    Homo style trans are obviously different from toddlerhood. They wear mom’s shoes and so on. Autogyns are not. You can interview parents, friends, spouses, everyone, throughout the person’s life, and there is no sign of “trapped in a body” until later on.

    Since Blanchard and his staff got to talk to these people for a year, the pattern he found was that a certain percentage admitted immediately that they did not feel like women as kids. As the months went on, more and more finally admitted that during couselling, By the end of the year there were still a few holdouts, but the trendline was clear: another year of couselling and all the guys would have admitted it, Blanchard felt.

    One reason why the always-felt-trapped story is so pugnaciously defended is that the truth, “I had this paraphilia where I dressed in a dress and masturbated while looking at myself,” is obviuosly deeply embarassing and humiliating. Does a company president or government official who is the “first trans” in the job want people imagining him with his hand on his dick in a dress? It’s just weird and creepy to most people, so Blanchard’s taxonomy brings out the shrieking trans banshees and is a major target of trans rage.

    By the way, the homo style of trans are usually not involved in politics or advocacy, so most trans you see are these autogyns.

  104. @JEG

    What are we thinking? Is it connected to homosexuality or not?

    The only guy I’ve ever known to say anything about being female was a 12 year old boy who told me he thought he should have been born a girl. He grew up to be a homosexual, with all attendant struggles and sins. Now he’s happily “married” to another guy. He may have thought he wanted to be female at 12, but since puberty he’s been just a male searching for a man to love him.

    Once these older guys become “women”, who are they involved with? I can’t imagine a wife wanting to stick around for that. Other straight guys would be grossed out. Gay guys don’t want a woman. So they’d be left with just perverts with fetishes. What a prospect.

    • Replies: @JEG
  105. kihowi says:
    @Anony Trans

    I don’t want to ungender you, but you still write like a rather nerdy man.

  106. kihowi says:
    @JEG

    They all felt inside that they were female their entire lives.

    How do they know?

  107. Neuday says:

    Perhap a certain number ofmiddle-aged white men, many of whom vote Republican, after decades of being metaphorically bent over and screwed, are so desperate that they’re going for the literal. Considering the rising suicide rates, it makes sense.

  108. Anonymous[909] • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    You know for all of its faults the transgender movement has shown us the light when it comes to climate change. If we all ( and by all, I mean the people whose opinions count, leftists) just agree that the sun is a moon for a short period every week, ( we can calculate how much is needed) such as 6-6:34am each Sunday (who cares except the Christians, anyway) , we can offset the increase in global warming such that there is no problem.

    Hell, global warming is 3/4 bs anyway so this could actually work.

  109. @Pat Boyle

    John Casey has been talking about this for the last few years. it seems to me he will be proven correct:

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/14328278-cold-sun

  110. @syonredux

    They didn’t have the right ancestors, duh!;)

  111. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @prime noticer

    Jenner is not attractive as a woman. Don’t judge his appearance by the pictures of him on the covers of women’s magazines. Those pictures took 6 hours of make up preceded by days of taking pictures looking at then and figuring out the exact way to position him so as to hide his hands. Lessen his shoulders and make him look better.

    He had a reality show. I don’t know if it’s still on. I’m sure the TV show film was vastly edited but he still didn’t look good. Despite $100,000 worth of cosmetic surgery he still has his big masculine jaw and forehead.

    Jenner is wide. Broad wide shoulders wide rib cage wide but flat square shaped man’s pelvis. You can always tell if it’s a man or a woman when a person wears pants, especially from behind. Even the skinniest 11 year old girl or 5’10 110 pd woman model looks like a woman in pants. Flat and square vs round. It’s unmistakeable

    All Jenner’s friends were like him in that show, big strong klutzy obvious men dressed up to go to a wedding striding and clumping around.

    San Francisco used to be full of men to women who really passed as women. Maybe they were femme all their lives but they really worked at it and took hormones for years and movement classes before just slapping on a wig.

    Another thing about Jenner is the face lift. What is he 60??? And he’s made up with so much make up his skin looks like a doll’s skin.

    The old men to women really wanted to be women and were very successful at passing except for the height, hips and hands. The new political men to women don’t want to pass. They seem to want to be as obvious as possible so as to create a new political pressure group.

    • Replies: @fish
  112. Anontg says:

    I’m a 40s white male married with children, TG tendencies. Life long registered republican. I tend to agree with others that the TGs we see on tv seeming to fit a type is probably a selection bias and a reflection of political polarization. Most married, heterosexual professionally accomplished white men are republican, as should be clear if you read this site. Married white fathers was a subset most likely to vote for Romney in the 2012 election if I remember one of Steves posts correctly. And it takes a very confident person, perhaps to the point of being a self absorbed jerk, to make very controversial, life changing decisions and go on tv and tell the world about it.

    Amusing anecdote for Steve: I was at Northwestern when Bailey was writing his book, and I was annoyed with him because he had often checked out books on sex and gender, for months on end, I wanted to read to figure out what was wrong with me. Never crossed paths, later read it.

    Personally, I am shy and rather reserved. Have had few close friends. I secretly cross dressed off and on as a teenager, but have only rarely done it in private since then. The feelings have gotten somewhat stronger in my 40s. I think I have a “milder” version of whatever Jenner and others got.

    I think I have read/watched just about every book, published study, documentary on the TG subject in the last 30 to 40 years. My general observations:

    1. I still don’t know with confidence what the root cause for my condition is.
    2. I don’t believe I fit into an autistic, Asberger, etc. category.
    3. But there is a high propensity for self deception among people like me to deal with the guilt.
    4. It does involve/affect the sex drive. I don’t believe Bailey is right … autogynephilia theory seems more a description of how some TGs and gays deal with it than an explanation of the cause. Chicken or egg? I think we may eroticize things that scare us or cause stress, perhaps on a subsconscuous level, to deal with the anxiety, shame, fear.
    5. There may be different root causes for different people.

    I lean towards some type of environmental proximate cause that messes up our brains/bodies in the womb, and which can lie dormant to some degree until activated by the change in hormones around puberty and during manopause. My behavior does seem to have had two peaks at puberty and now in middle age. I was born with a birth defect in my penis that was corrected at a young age.

    I’m pretty sure it’s not a learned behavior, as I had very traditional upbringing with parents who defined traditional gender roles. I was maybe a little on the girlie side as a young child, but I played a lot of sports and liked war movies. Today I mostly like fine arts, reading and of course fashion. Never would have thought I’d like dressing until the first time I tried it. But why did I want to try it in the first place?

    I do find all the articles about declining sperm counts in men in the industrialized world over the last fifty years or so be very interesting. In the end this may prove to be a public health crisis brought on by industrializtion.

    As a Christian, I ultimately view these conditions as one of the legacies of original sin. I pray and receive the sacraments regularly, and am reasonably confident I am not subject to demonic possession. It probably forced me to face up to my insufficiency earlier in life than if I didn’t have this particular cross, so it’s blessing in that way.

    If you have a child or loved one I with this I would gently try to limit or redirect the behavior. It may be self reinforcing to some degree, particularly when coupled with autoeroticism. Barring an extraordinary grace, the inclination will likely never go away based on the hundreds of personal stories I have read. Some guys seem to find a happy medium if they meet a compassionate woman and are honest up front about it.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @TTSSYF
  113. @bjondo

    Steve

    The above commenter’s comments are the most profound comments ever posted on Unz Review….devote a separate comment thread-section to this man’s comments who I presume is not a Tranny Freak….

  114. @Anony Trans

    Since you’re trans and know other trans people, could you tell me if you think Steve’s characterization is accurate? What fraction of trans people would you estimate are rightwingers?

    • Replies: @Anony Trans
  115. Spangel says:

    Being right wing is a masculine minded feature. Trans people tend to be born male (about three quarters are), so the whole practice of turning oneself into an opposite gendered person is a male thing to start with. The same thing that is driving the tendancy towards maleness in being a right winger drives the tendancy towards maleness in transgenderism and the secondary correlation of transgenderism and right leaning personality. I don’t know what exactly that thing is- maybe just a greater fascination with sex in general.

    You can’t want to be the opposite gender unless you see the world in sexually dimorphic terms to begin with. Left leaning men may be more at ease with all their feminine attributes whereas right leaning men feel either their feminine interests or their body doesn’t belong.

  116. J.Ross says: • Website

    A “judge” (from the Latin: it means an ignorant man who hates, and strives to desecrate, law) has decided that Iran — the Islamic Republic of Iran — committed the September Eleventh attacks. Nobody is calling him a “conspiracy theorist.” It’s not clear why he thinks that the one major terror player that had nothing to do with this was actually solely responsible. At least the people talking about Israelis can point to actual Israelis who were physically present and who have said on Israeli TV that they were watching.
    Oh, and all those Sunni Saudis that Iran hypnotized into dying for Ali like good Shi’ite martyrs? Yeah, forget about them. The same judge has declared that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia had nothing to do with the attacks and decreed a super-constitutional Special Judge Ukase that nobody can sue Riyadh for information or compensation. Following the George Tenet tenet, attacking a completely unrelated country makes legal sense– you might call it a “slam dunk.”

    A judge in the US has issued a default judgement requiring Iran to pay more than $6bn to victims of the September 11, 2001 attacks that killed almost 3,000 people, court filings show.

    https://archive.fo/OCPAP

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/05/judge-iran-pay-6bn-victims-911-attacks-180501120240366.html

    https://abcnews.go.com/International/iran-ordered-pay-billions-relatives-911-victims/story?id=54862664

    This follows a judge thinking that religious freedom protects the originally non-Islamic and Quranically unmentioned practice of mutilating a little girl’s genitalia, and numerous judges believing that they rule the executive branch regardless of what cases get brought to them.

  117. J.Ross says: • Website

    Italy does what the US government cannot do and separates “medicine” from “pharma ads” (I hope I am wrong: House Sackler goes on multiple trials soon and another drug magnate was found guilty in November).

    Italy’s new health minister has sacked the entire board of the Higher Health Council, the country’s most important committee of medical-scientific experts who advise the government on health policy, in order to lay the groundwork to ban “dangerous vaccines”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/04/politically-motivated-italys-m5s-sacks-peak-board-of-health-experts

    Grillo has also changed rules concerning the previous government’s mandatory child vaccine policy. Her party, which is governing in coalition with the far-right League, came to power pledging to reform a deeply unpopular policy brought in by the previous administration making 10 vaccines mandatory for all Italian children.

    The previous government banned children from attending school unless they received the full schedule of Big Pharma sponsored vaccinations.

    Critics of the previous government claimed Italy was at the forefront of a vaccination experiment conducted by a government corrupted by Big Pharma dollars. By allowing pharmaceutical companies to create new laws and force the full range of their products on the whole population against their consent, the Italian government was betraying their people.

    https://archive.fo/Sc2A3

    https://newspunch.com/italy-health-board-vaccines/

  118. fish says:
    @Anon

    San Francisco used to be full of men to women who really passed as women. Maybe they were femme all their lives but they really worked at it and took hormones for years and movement classes before just slapping on a wig.

    Yeah…..all these poor sods get the “fix” just in time for menopause!


    “Doctor…..make me a woman…..an old woman”!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  119. J.Ross says: • Website

    Alright, activate the random headline generating AI, let it spin up, aaaaand, generate:
    Sex robot conference featuring Steve Bannon implodes as he loses multiple Montana speaking gigs
    How could planners have foreseen that there’s just not that many people in Montana who want to discuss sex robots with Steve Bannon?
    Imagine the t-shirt sales!

    Former White House adviser Steve Bannon was supposed to headline a sex robot conference — and has lost multiple speaking gigs since it was announced.

    The Montana Kaimin, a student newspaper at the University of Montana, reported Tuesday that the Athenian Parrhesia Free Speech Forum, a debate event Bannon was supposed to participate in, was cancelled after a growing outcry from the UM community.

    It was, as the Kaimin noted, the third of his appearances that has been cancelled since news broke that he was to be a keynote speaker at the Fourth Annual Congress on Love and Sex with Robots.

    The sex robot conference itself was cancelled alongside the 15th International Conference on Advances in Computer Entertainment Technology, the Missoula Current reported.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/12/sex-robot-conference-featuring-steve-bannon-implodes-loses-multiple-montana-speaking-gigs/

  120. J.Ross says: • Website

    What’s interesting about this is it represents no more sophistication than has already been shown by the newsmedia. “I command you to feel empathy for a staged photograph! I command you to feel antipathy toward this group of protesters! DO AS I COMMAND!”

    San Diego State University Tortures Students To Force Brainwash Them Into Accepting Invasion

    Students at San Diego State University were asked to take part in MKUltra-style experiments this week in order to rid themselves of anti-immigration views.

    The students were asked to enter an extremely dark room on Tuesday evening and stare at a dimly lit poster board peppered with images of people protesting illegal crossings at the U.S.-Mexico border.

    Thecollegefix.com reports:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20181201152112/https://www.thecollegefix.com/students-undergo-sensory-experience-to-drive-out-prejudice-against-illegal-border-crossings-video/

    “Nativism,” a calm voice says aloud from somewhere in the darkness. “Prejudice or discrimination based on the idea of protecting the interests of established inhabitants against immigrants or those seen as not American enough.”

    Then things get more … intense.

    “It is our inheritance, and it belongs to us,” a loud, angry voice booms from somewhere in the room.

    Next comes an audio recording of a female news anchor discussing children separated from their parents as a result of zero-tolerance border policies, followed by the sound of children crying.

    Enter President Donald J. Trump, whose voice is next to echo loudly through the blackened room: “The United States will not be a migrant camp and it will not be a refugee holding facility.”

    It’s followed by a female news anchor who can’t even finish her segment due to emotion. “Trump administration officials have been sending babies and other young children,” she starts, then peters out and doesn’t finish as the sound of children cooing and crying and faint Spanish speaking can be heard in the background, along with the melody of sad music.

    “I think I am going to have to hand this off, sorry,” the anchorwoman says.

    https://archive.fo/HWXrc

    https://newspunch.com/ca-university-mkultra-students-pro-immigration/

  121. Anonymous[322] • Disclaimer says:

    Martine Rothblatt with her black family:

    https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_1484w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2014/11/24/Magazine/Images/ROTHBLATTFAM.jpg?uuid=lnQT_nQVEeSliRsQLC-B0A

    The highest-paid woman CEO, who is a jewish autogynephilic transexual lesbian mother in a interracial relationship. Is it possible to exist someone so perfect for the XXI century ?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  122. @Anon

    Jenner did a pretty good job of keeping himself in the spotlight for decades after his gold medal. He was an assiduous self-promoter.

  123. Anonymous[909] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck.

    Nothing we need more than leadership from some delusional nut who can’t even figure out [email protected] that any 4 year old knows.

  124. @Anonymous

    Rothblatt was the most arrogant guy I knew in B-School.

  125. anonymous[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anontg

    anontg – some responses to your comment, which may or may not have been authentic.
    Doesn’t matter to me if it was or not ….
    paragraph 3 – your t levels fell off in your 40s, your “ability to pass” was at its peak in your early 20s, which explains that chart, but you knew that
    paragraph 4 – that is a lot of dull reading!
    paragraph 6 – you are not convinced you are TG, you would not have said it messed you up if you were. People who are convinced they are real transgender people thank God that they are of the opposite sex from their bodies, because they prefer that awful situation to being something they believe they were not meant to be. Real transgender people are very rare (for example, there has never been a professional athlete from one of the top 4 USA sports – NHL, NFL, NBA and baseball, to go that route, and that is tens of thousands of guys) and furthermore real transgender people are not what we talk about when we talk about Bruce Jenner ambitious over-the-top types (although I do give him credit, if he really thinks he is a female (which I doubt – he does not exactly strive for feminine virtues) for staying fertile for as long as he did – — the last thing a woman would do, no matter what, is give up her fertility a day earlier than she had to, and, if in nothing else, he did follow that trait almost successfully, although I believe Trump fathered a child at the age that Bruce was starting hormone treatments …. ).
    Also, that birth defect you are talking about is probably a hypospadia, and I don’t know what you have been reading, but men with hypospadias are as much men as any other men. Basically what happened is for a few hours during a long 9 month pregnancy, a certain level of hormones (male-actuating) fell below the requirements to fully match the end of the urethra to the penile shaft — (imagine a destroyer being fueled from an oiler on high seas) …. had the level fallen earlier or later, it would not have been noticeable. The rest of the 9 months, and of course the entire gene expression, were probably otherwise male ….
    Unless the hypospadia is accompanied by multiple other hormonally induced changes (skeletal, brain structure, and so forth) it is not an indicator of TG in any way. If the hypospadia is severe, well then we are talking intersex, not TG, but you knew that, having read all those books.
    Paragraph 9 – women are tempted to have abortions so they can continue to sleep with shiftless men, men are tempted to sleep with ugly women because they will feel less bad about leaving them than about leaving hot women, and you once dressed as a woman, and continued to do so, even when you had access to hot fuckable women (I assume). As you said, all of that is a legacy of original sin.
    Last paragraph – as a general principle, not one woman in a million wants to be with a man who is trying to look like a woman. Guys are less picky than women, and there may be one in a hundred guys who do not mind a woman who tries to look like a man. If you have TG tendencies and do not care that your girlfriend really does not want to see you in makeup and you put on makeup anyway well that is a big interpersonal mistake, much bigger if you are a man doing so than if you are a woman doing so, but there are limits even for women, see, e.g., Ronda Rousey, whose looks have declined greatly over her career.
    Anyway, you have the right idea, just be a good person, pray a lot, and let God worry about what you were meant to be, while you try your best to be a good person who does not let other people down because of his temptations.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  126. Anon[200] • Disclaimer says:
    @Potatohead

    Exactly. Only Jenner came to mind, either left or right wing. And anyway, is it not true than many/most men like Jenner are/were/whatever gay?

    • Replies: @Ian M.
  127. @JEG

    As far as I know none of my transwomen friends (all of whom I have only known for about 3 years) can present “solid” evidence in such form as childhood pictures or testimony from friends or family; however, my inclination is to believe them since I have never known them to mislead me about anything else from their lives.

    Oh, I wasn’t suggesting they were lying. More like retconning a feeling into being. Your point about lack of contemporaneous evidence due to social risk is very valid though. It’s hard to know where the truth lies.

  128. Svigor says:
    @Whiskey

    Yeah, (((virtue))) is formed in a vacuum.

  129. Svigor says:
    @Asdf

    White Nationalism is pretty much it.

  130. anonymous[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    by the way, anontg, please don’t think, because I know so much about it, that I think that your asserted (alleged?) TG temptations are the most important thing in the world, I know a lot about it because I am a very gifted psychologist, not because I think the subject is all that interesting. (I am many things – hypomanic, ridiculously unafraid of death, and lazy – and I find hypomania, a ridiculous lack of a fear of death, and laziness to also be not all that interesting, when you think about it).

    I am not a supremely gifted psychologist, there are a few of those out there, I am not one of them, but I am very gifted. My actual specialty is crabby old men and crabby old ladies (there is a lot of money in gerontology, by the way), I could go on and on for hours about how to talk to them to coax them down from their crabbiness, I have also studied vainglorious military vets (not the ones who have seen battle, the ones who were far from the enemy but don’t want you to know that), and I am also an expert on people who care too much about their animals compared to their human friends, and I am good at understanding workaholics, and at understanding relatively stupid people who think they are very smart to their detriment, but my most important field of study is cynical people who think, as G.B. Shaw used to say, that the “Bible is bunk!”. Plus I have good ideas on how to help hoarders and addicts, not that I make much money off of any of that, it is almost all charity on my part (my real job pays the bills).

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
  131. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    This is a good point and a good angle to come at it by since it’s sympathetic: we are all trannies, but some of us accept that not all of our dreams are possible. I guess this is the same message as the South Park episode where Gerald is paying a surgeon turn him into a dolphin (actually just a horrifyingly deformed human) and his son Kyle is becoming a black basketballer.

  132. Anonymous[527] • Disclaimer says:
    @fish

    I visited SF for business a few weeks ago and don’t remember men passing as trannies as much as men passing as homeless and drug addicts.

    • Replies: @fish
  133. Thanks for the post. The comments that this has elicited from M2F anons are very interesting.

    “Inward” and “outward” are Plomin’s terms; he says that from the current genetic/GWAS point of view the only mental disorders seem to be Inward, Outward, and Hallucinogenic. I agree that the universe of mental disorders, and mental types in general, will turn out to be low-dimensional (human behavior is relatively comprehensible), but I suspect that the autism/Asperger scale and maybe IQ are an additional 1-2 parameters that will turn out to be important for classification.

    Links to the earlier discussion of the idea that “late-onset M2F = male HPD = subclinical autism = neural foundation of Cluster B tendencies” are here:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/and-they-came-for-somebody-who-actually-gets-things-done-linus-torvalds/#comment-2547288

    From that earlier thread:

    Another correlation with autism: in his latest (22 Sept) article on dysgenics Lance Welton points out that 36 percent of M2F transsexuals are left-handed.

  134. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Hmm….

    would contend that 100′s of 1000′s of men use synthetic testosterone in some form recreationally and or medically in the US, and no larger % of them have a desire to change their sex compared to the rest of the population.

    Are you using “synthetic testosterone in some form”? If not, how do you know this?

    And, BTW, if I were to find some synthetic testosterone (for a friend, naturally) would I be privileged to ‘transition’ to preferred transgender status?

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  135. fish says:
    @Tiny Duck.

    Ohs Tinys……

    I’s be tellins you to keeps you nose out dem fancy books and putcho nose way it belongd in Lendberts pucker. yea just’n liken we praktised.

    Lendterp “Hey I has my needs 2″ Pinzz

  136. fish says:
    @Anonymous

    Yeah…..my mother lived in SF in the late 50′s early 60′s…..she said it was the cleanest most refreshing urban environment she had ever been in (she was originally from Pittsburgh)! Now it is as you describe……but with fecal landmine apps!

  137. @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    “Are you using “synthetic testosterone in some form”? If not, how do you know this?”

    I”m not following your logic – I have to engage in something to know it happens? Like, 1000′s of people are addicted to heroin, but I’m not, so how would I know?

    If you really want to know how I “know” (I actually speculate) I am a fairly regimented powerlifter, which means, I read a lot about weightlifting in general, I talk to other lifters, and have done quite a bit of research into training programs, diet, and “supplements”.

    “And, BTW, if I were to find some synthetic testosterone (for a friend, naturally)”

    If you want to find some synthetic T, all you have to do is find a doctor willing to prescribe it to you. MD’s are on you tube advertising their willingness to examine you via skype and proscribe it to you. You can then sell it to your friend at twice the cost. :0

    ” would I be privileged to ‘transition’ to preferred transgender status?”

    Huh? I stated that I don’t believe the use of steroids (synthetic T) contributes to the onset of the mental disorder known as transsexualism. Do you think it does? If so, tell me why instead of trying to entrap me into selling you drugs.

  138. @anon

    As for the liberal stuff, many more straight men are attracted to female-looking male transgenders than you might think.

    I take it that you’re speaking from your own attractions. I’ll confess: Me too, I’m horny as Hell for hot Female-looking male transgenders. My secret is out!

    It is theorized in psych circles that this may have something to do with their childhoods or what they were exposed to at an early age – some confusion between themselves and their mothers/siblings or something. I can’t remember the exact explanation at the moment, but it struck me as plausible when I first heard it.

    I can’t recall what you wrote after I read it, but it strikes me as being unconvincing. Sorry, Dr. Freud.

    I’d be willing to bet that at least one M2F person reads this site. Perhaps we could entice them to post their thoughts on the subject?

    So, you’re M2f seeking M2f? Does that excite you more than M2f seeking F2m?

    • Replies: @Truth
  139. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anony Trans

    The fact a subset of trans people live imperceptibly as the sex with which they identify shows the flaw in your analogy.

    1. The exception of the subset only shows the flaw for that subset.

    2. I very much doubt there are many late life M2Fs who fit your definition of “imperceptible”.

    3. To me, imperceptibility needs to include not harming your extant relationships. Each person is more than their future anonymous encounters.

    Indeed, for those whose lives are so empty that there are no extant mutual dependencies worth a damn, well I’d suggest that might be leading to “suddenly my life makes sense” fixations. And there are less drastic ways to fix that.

    Finally, sex abnormalities are, of course, a phenomenon but the idea of possessing one sex for your brain and one sex for your body is absurd. Brain and body are both genetically and developmentally entirely enmeshed with each other.

    • Replies: @Anony Trans
  140. @jon

    Thank you for engaging politely. Your questions are all very reasonable.

    “When did you first feel like you were in the wrong gender? What was that like?”

    I just felt “different” when I was young, but didn’t have a strong sense of gender’s role in shaping one’s life. I was bullied a lot for being ‘soft’ and unathletic. I preferred girls as friends, but after ‘outgrowing’ stuffed animals, found boys action/adventure toys more appealing than anything. I’d have been able to articulate some desire to ‘grow up to be a woman’ by roughly age 10/11.

    “Are you attracted to men, women, both? Did this change when your gender changed?”

    I’m only attracted to men. By my college years, I had substantially overcome self-loathing homophobia prior to ever taking hormones (started at age 21). To be honest I didn’t really notice women’s bodies at all until comparing my own after transition. I tried being in a lesbian relationship, just to not be alone (the kind of guy I like is not so mutual in interest let’s say) in my late 20′s. I was miserable and found any sort of intimacy ‘gross’ on some level. I have a child through surrogacy and put a lot of my energies into being a parent, rather than worrying about not having a husband.

    “Do you think transgenderism is distinguishable from transracialism or transableism? Why or how?”

    Yes, in that being a man or woman isn’t a pathological state, so identifying as the opposite sex isn’t identifying with a pathology, being like disabled. Also the substantial changes caused by cross-sex hormones, overlaps in behavior and physiology, and so on show a flexible boundary.

    Transracialism requires effectively an entirely different parentage in one or both parents, where as trans people are one chromosome from their actual parents away from their identity.

    “What’s the difference between living as the other gender versus just living as a particularly feminine male?”

    People still engage you as a male, even if you’re not a “man” in their eyes. It’s a range of subtle to significant changes in attitude

    “Do you think there are any alternatives to transitioning for people who have gender dysphoria?”

    If you have true body dysphoria, there’s no accepted psychiatric or medical alternative. If there were a proven alternative, the same people who latch onto a concept like “autogynephilia” would leave our ears ringing with its details. Altering your body via hormones and surgery isn’t an ideal solution, of course, but many problems in life have no solution per se and must simply be managed.

  141. @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    Steve’s label of “right wing” doesn’t really make sense to me. Accepting trans identity as valid and legitimate to act upon as a matter of self-fulfillment is sort of socially liberal by its very nature, even if one is more libertarian than leftist.

    There’s an aspect of taking charge of one’s own life in transitioning that also might explain a slightly more conservative attitude in some trans people. I think in the latest election maybe a third of trans people voted Republican.

    I think Steve is looking at some people who stand out for reasons of strong or strange personalities. On this issue, Steve’s not particularly informed past identity politics uproars that make the newspaper, so he’s claiming a pattern that would no be supported by a broader exposure to more representaive trans people.

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  142. @Tiny Duck.

    Our democracy (any democracy) works better with a principled transgendered elite in charge.

    Well done (the parenthetical is brilliant). This is the all-purpose everyphrase, from showstopper insert in daily conversation to mystifying PUA line that puts girls off-balance.

  143. TTSSYF says:
    @Anon

    I believe you’re over-thinking this. I recall reading that Jenner’s ex-wife, Linda Thompson, said he cross-dressed and had sexual issues that caused problems in the marriage, even back then.

    I think it’s similar to what Michael Jackson did in mutilating his face and body in his attempts to become…well, I’m not sure (he almost looked porcine there at the end). Jenner and Jackson are both good examples of people with enough money to indulge their sexual or narcissistic fantasies. The really sick part is that there are doctors willing to do it.

  144. TTSSYF says:
    @Anony Trans

    If genetic testing clearly shows the individual to be XY and hormone levels are within the normal range, then it’s a head issue. Any doctor who would perform a sex change operation on such an individual should have his/her medical license revoked.

  145. TTSSYF says:
    @Anontg

    I’m becoming more and more convinced that about 50% of the male population has serious sexual issues, while about 50% of the female population has serious emotional issues.

  146. Anon7 says:

    Psychologist Jordan Peterson thinks that trans guys, especially millennials, might be engaging in fantasy play that was not permitted as children, as adults came to supervise recess, forbid rough and tumble play, etc.

  147. bastiat says:

    Donald McCloskey, very good free market economist becomes Deirdre McCloskey — very good free market economist!

  148. Truth says:
    @David Davenport

    I take it that you’re speaking from your own attractions. I’ll confess: Me too, I’m horny as Hell for hot Female-looking male transgenders. My secret is out!

    Well, I mean, every actress who’s ever starred in a movie or a TV show is one…

  149. @Ozymandias

    No reason to believe Jenner is or ever was “transsexual,” and no one’s ever claimed that Bruce was. He was married three times and fathered many children, and was a physically normal male, if not hyper-male. He got old and there was something big on his bucket list, so he changed sex, insofar as that was possible with 66 years of maleness behind him. Why? Who knows. But there’s just no basis for declaring that Caitlyn/Bruce has or had transsexualism, or an intersex condition, or any other specific medical diagnosis.

  150. @anonymous

    Then get a real handle and start commenting on more stuff from your psych/Christian perspective.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  151. @Lot

    I once read that the publisher of the Washington Examiner was the original commissioner of the Steele dossier during the Republican primary as a desperate attempt to derail Trump, and handed it over to the DNC after the convention, but I’ve never been able to confirm this. Their site doesn’t seem particularly never-Trump, but I have lingering suspicion that the neocon cat in the box is not dead, but constantly moving between boxes.

  152. Pythons covered this nearly four decades ago ….

  153. JEG says:
    @stillCARealist

    You ask a good question. From my personal experience with admittedly a small sample, a few wives do stick around. However, the bulk of transwomen, who were not homosexually-oriented boys, end up alone or with a lesbian. Once on estrogen, a transwoman has the look and feel of a woman.

  154. @Tyrion 2

    You’re changing the goal posts. You’re right that late MTF transitioners very rarely pass, but you raise that point to ignore those trans people who do.

    Passing is a matter of instantaneous physical and social cues. Faced with the reality of some trans people achieving our goal in that regard, you change the goal posts so that now we have an additional interpersonal obligation of maintaining “extant relationships.”

    Friendships and marriages fail all the time for myriad reasons. Family bonds are usually more durable, but lots of people are estranged from their family, again for lots of reasons. So demanding that trans people preserve relationships through a major life change is unrealistic and constructed with the intent of reinforcing your negative judgment.

    What’s revealing is that you clearly place no burden burden of tolerance, let alone acceptance on the other party. I don’t believe in mandated acceptance either, but unlike you I’m not demanding that trans people curtail their attempts at self-fulfillment based on the negative reaction of others either.

    “…the idea of possessing one sex for your brain and one sex for your body is absurd”

    That statement is simply ignorant. Feel free to Google “brain differences transsexuals.” I’m not claiming that the cause of transsexualism has been identified, but your hand-waving dismissal is insupportable.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  155. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anony Trans

    That statement is simply ignorant. Feel free to Google “brain differences transsexuals.”

    I did and it was a waste of time. I came across zero credible evidence; and as I said, there’s no believable mechanism for how that would happen. The body and the brain are thoroughly enmeshed in their development. Nature would have to untie this Gordian knot somehow randomly.

    You’re changing the goal posts. You’re right that late MTF transitioners very rarely pass, but you raise that point to ignore those trans people who do.

    They’re a small minority. This means, even by the very low standard of success that involves merely “passing” to strangers, the vast majority of “transitions” are failures.

    That is very bad for such a drastic and elective medical procedure.

    Passing is a matter of instantaneous physical and social cues. Faced with the reality of some trans people achieving our goal in that regard, you change the goal posts so that now we have an additional interpersonal obligation of maintaining “extant relationships.”

    “Passing” is merely the necessary but superficial first step. It is the lowest hurdle to jump. Naturally, for the small minority who can jump it, I will mention the next hurdles. There are many.

    Friendships and marriages fail all the time for myriad reasons. Family bonds are usually more durable, but lots of people are estranged from their family, again for lots of reasons. So demanding that trans people preserve relationships through a major life change is unrealistic and constructed with the intent of reinforcing your negative judgment

    I am not demanding anything. I am merely pointing out that those who prioritise that “major life change” over their extant relationships likely have their values all screwed up.

    A man may feel compelled to cheat on his wife on a daily basis. The simple fact of him feeling compelled does not make it a wise decision though!

    What’s revealing is that you clearly place no burden burden of tolerance, let alone acceptance on the other party. I don’t believe in mandated acceptance either, but unlike you I’m not demanding that trans people curtail their attempts at self-fulfillment based on the negative reaction of others either

    The trans individual is taking drastic steps that will cause those around them to radically revise their relationship history, general past and plans for the future. That is a big imposition.

    Perhaps people will shrug that imposition off. Perhaps not. But the fact that the imposition is being made for a process that only works, at best, as a fascimile and is just one of a billion fantastic ideas that humans get (i.e it is not special)…well this means it seems to me that the “transitioning” individuals are in denial about the efficacy of their choice, in denial about the consequences and are stuck in la la land while obsessing over their fixation.

    People do worse things, of course, and I am very tolerant of people’s honest failings, even failings they’ll never be able to rectify or have the strength to avoid. I have many such failings, no doubt, we all do (as far as i can tell) but I’m not going to pretend that it isn’t a failing – at least not on a site like this.

    At a dinner party or in the context of a casual friendship, I am not going to speak out probably. I basically see harmless trans people roughly as I see harmless alcoholics. But then alcoholics don’t scream at me through the media and the law to try to force me to say that they’re actually drinking water.

    • Replies: @Anony Trans
  156. Anon[334] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    You can always tell a San Franciscan by how we check out tall women. Our eyes go right to the hands becaus there were so many very successful tyrannies there the only indication was height and hands.

    San Francisco is already living the tranny distopia. Thanks for the tips, for when it comes to my town.

  157. “I think most people’s knowledge of trannies is pretty limited. There just aren’t enough of them to go around.”

    and yet, any tranny thread on the internet, suddenly they show up. they’re amazing like that.

    literally a few thousand trannys in the entire world. yet if you shine the bat signal in the sky AKA discuss what on earth is going on with trans people being pushed by the left, they appear like magic on any website.

    just another total failure of conservative politicians. now the trans activists are convincing 12 year old kids to chop their genitals. this should be illegal, and is tolerated, like all things, only because anything that hurts mainstream european culture is protected.

    strange issue – muslim genital mutilation is a ‘problem’, but trans choppers getting to the 12 year olds is not.

    • Replies: @Corn
  158. @Tyrion 2

    “I came across zero credible evidence; and as I said, there’s no believable mechanism for how that would happen.”

    More absolute, hand-waving dismissal of actual research. Hormone receptors are not uniform in nature through out the body due to being regulated by different genes. Therefore different locales may respond differently (not “randomly” as you suggest) to the same hormonal conditions. An every day example is male-pattern baldness, where the pattern arises because of different responses to the same overall body chemistry int he scalp. There’s the “believable mechanism” you claim it is impossible to envision.

    ” I basically see harmless trans people roughly as I see harmless alcoholics. But then alcoholics don’t scream at me through the media and the law to try to force me to say that they’re actually drinking water.”

    I don’t know what a “harmless alcoholic” is, but the non-harmless ones rape, maim, and kill tens of thousands of people per year. Your analogy borders on the “words are akin to violence” thinking seen on the left.

    You tell me you’re a tolerant person, but your sophistic analogies, refusal to engage the biological research, holding individuals accountable for the conduct of others within their identity group, and so forth all suggest a marked intolerance.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  159. anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @stillCARealist

    stillCARealist –

    next time I comment I will start the comment, after posting as anonymous …
    Gifted but not supremely gifted psychologist said:

    or if you have a suggestion for a better, more easy to google internet name, let me know ….

    But I do not want a handle on this website, or almost any other website. I am funny that way, I do not feel enough fondness for the internet to want a name on it…

    That being said, what I know about addicts, and hoarders, and transgenderish people, and so on, is not something lots and lots of other people don’t know, so, while i have a lot to say, so do other people …

    well, check in a year from now, do a google search, I hope I will have chimed in with a few useful comments by then, but even if I never post here again, let me recommend

    on laziness: J Vernon McGee, commentary on the Book of Chronicles, or the Acts of the Apostles
    on hoarders: not sure there is anything useful out there, I recommend (a) condemning their homes and (b) giving them cash which can only be spent on rent in a small room, with access to a casino, at which they will have the right to wager a thousand nickels five days a week. Don’t argue with them, they are criminals, endangering others, and should not be treated like kind misguided people, if you treat them like that you are playing into their incorrect self-perception, in which they really believe they are not lost in selfishness, not lost in a mental disorder —- but whichever is the case, the only way to connect with them is to show real condemnation of selfishness
    on addicts: Story of a Soul, by Therese Martin, or a similar testimony, there are a few out there, not a lot but a few, and if such testimonies are read and reflected on in conjunction with a promise to spend many many waking hours praying or helping boring people (that is, the people we previously and mistakenly thought were boring – fifty percent of the normal person’s dreams involve the realization that other people are more interesting than we thought) live better lives…and remember, almost nobody who thinks they are not boring is really tempted to do the work it takes to become an addict —- of one kind or another —–then there is a good chance to overcome previous intentional choices to become addicted to something or other. And to live the remaining years of our lives as if we had never been servants of alcohol, servants of other vices, vices that trick us to seeing others as boring when others are anything but – to live the fantastically bountiful remaining years of our lives as if we were what we were always meant to be …..
    I could go on, but you get the point, I am sure.

  160. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anony Trans

    More absolute, hand-waving dismissal of actual research.

    Let’s be honest, you’re not confident of said research otherwise you’d have provided a link by now.

    Hormone receptors are not uniform in nature through out the body due to being regulated by different genes. Therefore different locales may respond differently (not “randomly” as you suggest) to the same hormonal conditions. An every day example is male-pattern baldness, where the pattern arises because of different responses to the same overall body chemistry int he scalp. There’s the “believable mechanism” you claim it is impossible to envision.

    Hair folicles on the top of your head are, borrowing your terminology, one or only a few “locales”. The brain is an uncountable number and the mind is even more, each linked developmentally with your body and experiences and therefore the idea that the two would diverge so extremely as to be opposite sexes is absurd.

    Furthermore, were the comparison apt then we should probably be working om a cure flr transgender feelings. One “locale”, one easy solution, like finasteride and MPB.

    I get why people want to make this a biologically determined issue. It shuts down a huge number of awkward questions. As it did with homosexuality.

    This also makes the debate simple and allows the simplistic politically correct arguments to make sense; but as soon as you start considering the infinite forms of human sexual expression, how they’ve changed radically in time and place, and how such a force is often incredibly complicated in just one person at just one time, the “born this way” and “different brain and different bodies” dogmas are revealed as just as much fixations as the sexual hangups they’re intended to justify.

    I don’t know what a “harmless alcoholic” is, but the non-harmless ones rape, maim, and kill tens of thousands of people per year. Your analogy borders on the “words are akin to violence” thinking seen on the left.

    Plenty of alcoholics are only directly engaged in self-harm. Naturally, it does harm to their loved ones as any self-harm does. I don’t get your comparison. I was merely pointing out that most people have mutual dependencies so self-harming actions, like cutting, alcoholism or castration will inevitably harm those around you. Pretending otherwise does not make it so.

    You tell me you’re a tolerant person, but your sophistic analogies, refusal to engage the biological research, holding individuals accountable for the conduct of others within their identity group, and so forth all suggest a marked intolerance.

    In general, refusing to enable a delusion is not intolerance. It’s compassion.

    Though sometimes in specific circumstances e.g at specific events going along with a delusion is also compassion.

    The mind is seemingly infinitely complex, with so many flaws that most don’t have names ot haven’t been recognised. This particular one has.

    Most flaws are where the mind and reality do not match. Usually we work on the mind to accommodate it to reality. For political reasons, with transgenderism, we instead take drastic, irreversible surgical action to make reality into a fascimile of the mind.

    I think this explains a lot of its appeal just as it reveals its dystopians tones.

    • Replies: @Anony Trans
  161. Corn says:
    @prime noticer

    “muslim genital mutilation is a ‘problem’, but trans choppers getting to the 12 year olds is not.”

    Sadly, I get the impression that for the Left Muslim FGM is increasingly not a problem.

    Paying the diversity tax

  162. anon[402] • Disclaimer says:

    “Your reference to steroid use a contributor to transsexualism is off base”

    Stats? Or is that just anecdotal? Granted, so is my observation…but like I said, this issue hasn’t been studied as much as it probably should have been.

    “I would contend that 100′s of 1000′s of men use synthetic testosterone in some form recreationally and or medically in the US, and no larger %…”

    A lot of people used Vioxx and didn’t die. There was still a correlation there. There may also be a correlation between those synthetic androgens coming into widespread use during the childhoods of many current middle age M2F trans and the – at least anecdotally – increasing rates of transgenderism among that age demographic.

    “In the case of this current high rate of late middle age M2F transsexualism, I would observe that having a declining level of testosterone, and an simultaneous increase in estrogen levels, as is a natural development in aging men, would be a bigger contributor to the process. Maybe it’s not, but it’s certainly more reasonable than suggesting higher T levels are the culprit.”

    Taking drugs in your youth that artificially increase androgen levels followed by a steep decline in middle-age seems like a plausible explanation for some cases of transgenderism. A lot of guys go through middle age without becoming transexuals, so the process seems to require some additional input, either hormonal or structural in regards to the brain. Nothing in your comment leads me to believe that steroid usage shouldn’t be examined as a possible contributing factor.

  163. anon[115] • Disclaimer says:

    “A long-time straight male friend has recently “come out” as a lesbian transgender”

    What percentage of M2F trans come out as being attracted to men? The lesbian transgender thing seems to be very common.

    “He was always far to the right, even before my husband and I were, but to me he always seemed masochistic and fearful of women. He could well be very slightly autistic, and certainly depressive.”

    Grey Matter Theory:

    “Autism Affects Brain’s Grey Matter In Regions Related To Judgment And Behavior; Are Better Markers For Autism On The Horizon?”

    https://www.medicaldaily.com/autism-affects-brains-grey-matter-regions-related-judgment-and-behavior-are-better-markers-autism

    I think it’s also possible that these socially awkward people are attracted to women and eventually come to want to be what they are attracted to in order to be closer to it. As an aside, I’ll note that there is a yearly event called Awesome Games Done Quick. It’s a videogame speedrunning marathon populated by a disproportionate number of autistics and transgenders, usually M2F – some of whom even have M2F girlfriends.

  164. anon[318] • Disclaimer says:

    “I take it that you’re speaking from your own attractions.”

    I take it from reading books. You know, that stuff made out of paper – ink, you read them. Up, down, left, right.

    “I’ll confess: Me too, I’m horny as Hell for hot Female-looking male transgenders. My secret is out!”

    Figures after what you wrote.

    “I can’t recall what you wrote after I read it, but it strikes me as being unconvincing. Sorry, Dr. Freud.”

    What an idiot. I guess you missed your short bus for the day.

    “So, you’re M2f seeking M2f? Does that excite you more than M2f seeking F2m?”

    Like I said, idiot.

  165. Anon[318] • Disclaimer says:

    “If you have something better, please let us in on it.”

    ….and he never responded with his own theory, lol. This thread is like the big kids table. Little kids have to go elsewhere because they can’t understand the conversation and will ruin it with dumb observations if allowed to stay.

  166. Anon[799] • Disclaimer says:

    “I get why people want to make this a biologically determined issue. It shuts down a huge number of awkward questions. As it did with homosexuality.”

    From the wiki:

    “Environmental factors have also been proposed. The failure of an attempt to raise David Reimer from infancy through adolescence as a girl after his genitals were accidentally mutilated is cited as disproving the theory that gender identity is determined by upbringing.”

    The Reimer case would seem to imply very strongly that there is some underlying biological origin – genetic, hormonal, structural changes as the result of head injury during youth sports, viral infection, brain receptors, …something.

    Just as twin studies demonstrate a genetic origin for at least a portion of your cognitive ability, at least one twin study has potentially shown a genetic link for transgenderism (see below). In my opinion, you cannot have it both ways here and remain intellectually honest. And as I’ve said, the issue has not been studied to the degree that it should have been, but that does not mean it may not have a genetic basis on some level for at least some people.

    More from the wiki (links on the site):

    “With regard to genetic factors, a study by Hare reported that trans women have a longer androgen receptor gene than cis men, which is less effective at binding testosterone, potentially preventing complete masculinization of the brain (prenatal androgen exposure or sensitivity, or lack thereof, is an often cited mechanism to explain observed brain-structure differences). A study by Bentz found that trans men have a CYP17 allele distribution like cis men and unlike cis women. A twin study published in the International Journal of Transgenderism found that 33% of identical twin pairs were both trans, compared to only 2.6% of non-identical twins who were raised in the same family at the same time, but were not genetically identical.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender

    A bit off topic, but if any of this is true, then perhaps this might further serve to demonstrate the proposal that there is probably no god or higher power in the universe that is both wise and moral. Being stuck in the wrong body for your entire life with no way out would have to be one of the worst prisons imaginable, way worse that simply being gay and coming out to your parents back in the 90s or any of that stuff. What god would allow that?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  167. @Tyrion 2

    Firstly, why do I suddenly need to provide a link? You just told me that you had already explored the research of your own volition and found “zero credible evidence” in your opinion. Why would I post information you have already informed me that you actively dismissed when attempting to respond to you? Nevertheless, for others, here is a link to a summary of recent research:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4987404/

    There’s a striking similarity between your position and that of feminist ideologues like Cordelia Fine. She dismisses the notion of “brain sex,” because actual research shows a bimodal distribution with significant overlap, rather than discretely-sexed brains, and because no person studied has proven entire feminine or masculine on the established metrics. You seem to demand a similar “extreme” separation of body and brain in order to accept the proposition of transsexualism having a biological cause. All of this despite you acknowledging that the brain is an exceedingly complex organ and far from comprehensively understood.

    I am “confident” in the overall quality and trend of the research, contrary to your claim. I do not, however, claim it is conclusive (I have a Ph.D. in a biology-related field by the way).

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  168. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anon

    You grabbed a few words of mine and, by taking them out of context, completely misunderstood what I was saying.

    Sex is biologically determined. Transgenderism is not. Gender is for nouns not people.

    Thus the Reimer case is irrelevant.

    As for the next study, it is typical for the area. They get a not too big sample of transexuals. They contrast them to an also not too big sample of non-transexuals and then they look for a “significant” difference in any one of 25,000 genes. This is cherrypicking as a methodology, which is why the strongest conclusions they can write are like this:

    This study provides evidence that male gender identity might be partly mediated through the androgen receptor.

    Being stuck in the wrong body for your entire life with no way out would have to be one of the worst prisons imaginable,

    You have no imagination.

  169. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anony Trans

    Firstly, why do I suddenly need to provide a link?

    It is rather hard for me to contend with arguments that you refuse to identify.

    Now, I see you’ve gone the other direction and taken the dubious faith option of trying to drown me in objections. Pick one study.

    There’s a striking similarity between your position and that of feminist ideologues like Cordelia Fine. She dismisses the notion of “brain sex,”

    But I don’t dismiss the notion of “brain sex” I just dismiss the notion that the brain will develop diametrically to the body.

    You seem to demand a similar “extreme” separation of body and brain in order to accept the proposition of transsexualism having a biological cause. All of this despite you acknowledging that the brain is an exceedingly complex organ and far from comprehensively understood

    That’s a bad faith way to characterise my argument. It is not “despite”, it is actually “because”.

    I am “confident” in the overall quality and trend of the research

    Of course you are. You’re all in. And the fact of this subverts the research, which now consists of a bunch of people trying to prove what is politically correct and justify a delusion.

  170. Ian M. says:
    @Potatohead

    Well, ‘Deirdre’ McCloskey has been published at National Review and I think is regarded as a libertarian.

    Of course, the real lesson here is not that transexuals are conservative in any meaningful sense, but that what passes for conservatism today is worthless.

  171. Ian M. says:
    @Anon

    And anyway, is it not true than many/most men like Jenner are/were/whatever gay?

    I don’t think so. Most are autogynephiles, I think.

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