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The conservative Law and Justice ruling party in Poland holds a now rare confluence of positions: pro-European Union and pro-European. It feels that the European Union should operate in the interests of Europeans, that European Values imply that Poles should be allowed to work in London, but not that Poland should be forced to take in massive numbers of non-Europeans.

Of course, as we all know, what European Values now means is that Europe should be flooded with non-Europeans.

How did Poland end up not understanding the indisputable truth that the highest European Value is Europhobia?

One man, Simon Mol, might have contributed significantly to the 2017 Polish consensus that being pro-European means being pro-Europeans.

Hakon Rotmwrt tweets:

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It’s quite a story in Wikipedia, which I’ll rearrange to avoid premature spoilerization:

Simon Mol

Simon Mol (6 November 1973 in Buea, Cameroon – 10 October 2008) was the pen name of Simon Moleke Njie, a Cameroon-born journalist, writer and anti-racist political activist. In 1999 he sought political asylum in Poland; it was granted in 2000, and he moved to Warsaw, where he became a well-known anti-racist campaigner.

Mol was born into an English-speaking family in Cameroon. His autobiography states that he worked as a journalist; was persecuted and jailed for his writing; sought political asylum in several African countries; and was granted asylum in Ghana, where he was persecuted again. …

In June 1999 he arrived in Poland as a member of the Ghanaian PEN Club delegation to a PEN annual congress in Warsaw. Immediately, Njie applied for asylum, which was granted in September 2000.

In Poland Simon Mol wrote poems, founded a small theatre, and engaged in political campaigns for the rights of mostly African and Chechen refugees, anti-racism, anti-fascism and environmental protection. …

His activities brought attention to presumed racial discrimination in Poland, with him filing reports to Amnesty International about the alleged institutional racism.

He was a football player in the Mazur Karczew football team. One of the matches that he organized himself for his all-Black team was against Polonia Warszawa, according to the bulletin of the Polish Humanitarian Organisation.

He later used his sports team for political campaigns.

He became an advisor with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, a journalist of The Warsaw Voice, the secretary general of Association of Refugees in the Republic of Poland, the chief editor of “The Voice of the Refugee” (“Głos Uchodźców”)

In 2005 he organized a conference with Black ambassadors in Poland to protest the claims in an article in Wiedza i Życie by Adam Leszczyński about AIDS problems in Africa, which quoted research stating that a majority of African women were unable to persuade their HIV positive husbands to wear condoms, and so later got caught HIV themselves. Mol accused Leszczyński of prejudice because of this publication.

As a cultural representative of the international anti-racist sports campaigns organized by UEFA, he was sent to conferences in Italy and the UK.

In 2003, he received the award “Antifascist of the Year” given by the Nigdy Więcej (“Never Again”) anti-rasism association.

In 2004, on behalf of the President of Poland, he was nominated for the Sergio Vieira de Mello Prize, alongside the ex-PM Tadeusz Mazowiecki and other Polish luminaries, for “rebuilding peace in post-conflict communities”, under the patronage of the High Commissioner of the United Nations for Refugees, among other institutions.

Honorary member of the British International Pen Club Centre.

In 2006 Mol received the prestigious award “Oxfam Novib/PEN Award for Freedom of Expression”.

In February 2006, further to his partner’s request for him to take an HIV test, Mol declined and published a post on his blog explaining why not:

Character assassination isn’t a new phenomenon. However, it appears here the game respects no rules. It wouldn’t be superfluous to state that there is an ingrained, harsh and disturbing dislike for Africans here. The accusation of being HIV positive is the latest weapon that as an African your enemy can raise against you. This ideologically inspired weapon, is strengthened by the day with disturbing literature about Africa from supposed-experts on Africa, some of whom openly boast of traveling across Africa in two weeks and return home to write volumes. What some of these hastily compiled volumes have succeeded in breeding, is a social and psychological conviction that every African walking the street here is supposedly HIV positive, and woe betide anyone who dares to unravel the myth being put in place.

On the 3rd of January 2007 Mol was taken into custody by the Polish police and charged with infecting his sexual partners with HIV.

In Poland, Mol was accused of knowingly spreading the HIV virus and was charged in the cases of eleven women and remanded in custody.

After his arrest, Mol stated he had no knowledge of being an HIV carrier and accused the police of racism.

According to the Rzeczpospolita newspaper, he was diagnosed with HIV back in 1999 while living in a refugee shelter, but Polish law does not force an HIV carrier to reveal his or her disease status.

According to the police inspector who was investigating his case, a witness stated that Mol refused to wear condoms during sex. An anonymous witness in one case said that he accused a girl who demanded he should wear them that she was racist because as he was Black she thought he must be infected with HIV. After sexual intercourse he used to say to his female partners that his sperm was sacred.

In an unusual move, his photo with an epidemiological warning, was ordered to be publicly displayed by the then Minister of Justice Zbigniew Ziobro. MediaWatch, a body that monitors alleged racism, quickly denounced this decision, asserting that it was a breach of ethics with racist implications, as the picture had been published before any court verdict. They saw it as evidence of institutional racism in Poland, also calling for international condemnation.

South African Press Association (SAPA) and Agence France Presse in their article described him as “a darling of Poland’s liberal press” due to his political campaigns Thus some of his victims were reportedly intimidated and threatened and Polish police delayed his arrest for long because of his political connections, thus allowing him to infect new victims.

On 6 March 2007 newspaper Rzeczpospolita published an article on Simon Mol (Na tropie oszusta Simona Mola by Bertold Kittel and Maja Narbutt in co-operation with Anna Machowska from TVN), stating that his biography was fabricated. An editor of the Cameroonian English language weekly The Sketch denied that Njie worked there; his mother said he was employed at a refinery; didn’t write about government corruption in Cameroon; and was not jailed in 1996. A representative of Ghanaian journalists said that while in Ghana Njie published newspaper articles about football and was never arrested in that country.

Mol was put on trial in July 2008, but the trial was suspended when Mol’s health deteriorated. Due to this and previous procedural delays, at this point the case on behalf of his victims was taken over by the then current minister of Education and Deputy PM Roman Giertych, who demanded that the case be requalified as intentional murder and demanded life sentence for Mol, thus increasing the profile of the case.

After police published Mol’s photo and an alert before the start of court proceedings, Warsaw HIV testing centers were “invaded by young women”. A few said that they knew Mol. Some of the HIV tests have been positive. According to the police inspector who had been monitoring the tests and the case: “Some women very quickly started to suffer drug-resistant tonsillitis and fungal infections. They looked wasted, some lost as many as 15 kilograms and were deeply traumatized, impeding us taking the witness statements. 18 additional likely victims have been identified thereby”. Genetic tests of the virus from the infectees and Simon proved that it was specific to Cameroon. …

… However, Mol’s trial was suspended due to his severe illness. He died from HIV-related complications on 10 October 2008. …

Despite concerns voiced by UNHCR in April 2007 the plans for HIV testing of asylum seekers were fully introduced in Poland shortly after Mol’s well-publicised trial.

For more on the Simon Mol story, see Virtuous Cycle and Irish Savant.

 
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  1. Heh, it’s never as simple as one man. Western Europe is full of Simon Mols, big and small.

  2. One thing that is sure about this story… white women are addicked to Afro-dong.

    Feminism is turning into a matter of Speaking-in-Dongs.

    • Disagree: Frau Katze
    • Replies: @Clyde

    Feminism is turning into a matter of Speaking-in-Dongs.
     
    Poland is one of the most Catholic European nations but still has a miserable birthrate. Korea's birthrate is lower than Japan's.
    https://binged.it/2hW59th ____ Poland Ukraine Germany birthrates comparison chart
    2014 birthrates
    Poland 9.9
    Germany 8.6
    Ukraine 10.8
    , @Jefferson
    "One thing that is sure about this story… white women are addicked to Afro-dong."

    Anon you have Homo Cuck DNA in you because of your obsession with Negro penises.
    , @unpc downunder
    There's actually little correlation between white female interest in black males and liberalism/feminism. Scandinavian women are the least interested in black guys and Slavic women are the most interested in black guys.

    It's probably related to personality/temperament. Scandinavians tend to be introverts so at the evo psych level, they have little in common with black people.
    , @Percy Gryce

    One thing that is sure about this story… white women are addicked to Afro-dong.
     
    *Alpha-dong. FIFY.

    It looks like Mol was a classic jerk-boy, futballin', playa. That he bagged a number of thots is not that remarkable.
  3. Race-ism, the best resistant antibody against the disease of interracism.

  4. Burn the coal, pay the toll.

    • Agree: Anonym
    • Replies: @Anonym
    Was about to post exactly that.

    If you google image search BTCPTT you can find some pretty good memes. I especially like the OJ Simpson one, pretty graphic though.
  5. Because Poles are not really “European”, which really means “Western European.” Even Iberia, despite being geographically Western European, is somewhat peripheral. The Slavs are on the periphery.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    Europeans may recall Talleyrand's quote about how Europe begins at the Pyrenees. Don't recall if he had any eastern boundary in mind, but might have excluded the Visegrád Group (Poland, Czechia, Hungary and Slovakia), for example, even though the Hapsburg influence was in force and there was a lot of culture there.

    How small would Europe become with an EU breakup, especially after Brexit and with a potential Frexit or Italeave? Which Europeans will decide to conserve their history and values, and to reject the Mols of the world and their fellow travelers?

    , @Lurker
    Troll detected.
    , @Anonymous
    Actually, if you had a brain bigger than your mouth, and had a modicum of knowledge, you would not make such dumb statements.

    The word 'Europe' first arose in ancient Greece, and referred to the distinction between 'Asia' that is Anatolia, and the lands on the other side of the Bosphorous, which were termed 'Europe'. Everything else is an extension from that ancient distinction. Poland is no further east than Greece.
    From a genetic standpoint, Poles have more of a genetic component from the indigenous neolithic inhabitants of Europe, the so called WHG group than many western or southern Europeans have.
    , @jack ryan
    Sorry your world view is only ~ 100 years out of date.

    Yeah, it was more this way in the 19th century - a time when London England was population by White English people. Now England is increasingly populated by Brown Pakistani Muslim people and London is increasingly Londonstan with a Pakistani Muslim mayor.

    OK

    70 years ago Algeria was French Algeria, part of France, not a colony. The majority of people living in coastal French Algerian cities were White Europeans, Pied Noir. OK, then there was a terrible terrorist war and French Algeria was turned over to Arab Muslim majority rule.

    What happened?

    Was there affirmative action for minority White European French, Pied Noir?

    If you believed there was any chance for that I've got some farm land in Rhodesia I want to sell you!

    How about joining the rest of us in the real world this year 2017?

    White European people, culture, civilization or just places where our wives and daughters can walk the street without being raped - that center of gravity is Central and Eastern Europe including Putin's Russia.

    The Cold War is long over - should have been over in 1972.

    Are you afraid of the Russians like beautiful Russian women like Maria Sharapova and Anna Kournikova?

    Do you not like beautiful European women?

    Donald Trump seems to like beautiful European women like his latest wife.

    What the F*** is wrong with you? Maybe you need some Tunesian, Algerian, Pakistani mountain men to make "love to you".

    Jees we have some stupid people making comments here.
  6. It is amazing how the HIV/AIDS crisis has been thrown into the memory hole. If in 1990 someone told you that anti-racism would take precedence over the prevention of an AIDS outbreak, you wouldn’t believe it.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    a Newsreader, Speaking of the memory hole, suddenly homeless people are front and center. Trump elected mere weeks ago and cities are now overrun with homeless. Of course, no one was homeless under Obama.
    , @2Mintzin1
    Well, not so sure. In New York in the 80's, we were told that being critical of centers of AIDS transmission, such as bath houses, or wanting AIDS Typhoid Marys to be reported to health authorities, was anti-homosexual bigotry, and real wrong. Crimethink, also.

    The realpolitik theory about why this was so was that wealthy and thus politically influential gays did not want the liability resulting from their infectious adventures to come back to haunt them. Like lawsuits, you know.


    In New York State, it took a Lothario drug dealer, in some upstate dump of a city, who infected a bunch of young teenage girls, to finally get our clowns in the state legislature to take action and allow reporting of HIV transmission.
  7. But what do they plan on doing about the liberal press? Should cook something up to investigate them with as well.

    And didn’t Poland just cave to some anti-abortion cat ladies? They might not be as tough as you think.

  8. In Our Time (1976)
    Ours is a golden age of minorities. At no time in the past have dissident minorities felt so much at home and had so much room to throw their weight around. They speak and act as if they were “the people,” and what they abominate most is the dissent of the majority.

    “The Trend Toward Anarchy,” p. 52

    Nobody is fit to boss others, especially those who seek the chance. With more espionage and anarchy the boss can drop dead and nobody cares. As the election proved, a majority no longer matters if it ever mattered. Have no fear.

  9. engaged in political campaigns for the rights of mostly African and Chechen refugees, anti-racism, anti-fascism and environmental protection. …

    This seems to happen a lot.

    How about: If we save your life by taking you in (as you tell us), you can not try to change us, EVER.

    This used to be called “ungrateful”, but I haven’t heard that word in a long time.

    • Replies: @bomag

    How about: If we save your life by taking you in (as you tell us), you can not try to change us, EVER.
     
    Yeah, but these ingrates won't honor any deal; we need to not ever interact with them.
    , @Lurker
    I'm sure the vague underlying ethos was at one time that country A took in refugees/dissidents/malcontents/exiles from country B in the expectation that, perhaps, one day they would overthrow the regime in country B and install one more friendly toward country A. And in the meantime were expected to be wholehearted supporters of country A in its foreign policy goals and silent in matters of country A's domestic policy.

    These days refugees/dissidents/malcontents/exiles from country B have no intention of returning home but instead aim to actively undermine country A by their presence.
  10. Old news…I read about that Mol guy years ago. Would be interested to hear about what’s going on in Poland right now…apparently there was an incident over New Year in which a Pole was stabbed to death by some North Africans; coupled with the murder of the Polish truck driver during the Berlin terror attack this probably hasn’t exactly improved the image of immigrants from the Maghreb in Poland. On the other hand, the Catholic church seems to be agitating for mass immigration even in Poland, and I wonder what effect that will have in a country where Catholicism is interwoven with national identity. Would be interested to read from Polish readers about this.

    • Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski
    I admit this is irritating.

    But Catholic Church in Poland works something like this: people who go to the Church listen what the priest has to say, and then go home for the rest of the week and do their own thing . Their own thing is generally based on culture, which is rather conservative and religious, so there are not many conflicts. But if the Church says something that people don't agree with, this will be politely ignored. So the Church generally don't do that.

    The "refugee crisis" is the case where Church message is ignored. There is shrug: "Well this is their job, after all. To be charitable." and everybody goes back to be against migrants.

    Besides I don't see much enthusiasm among regular priests for the "migrant" cause. Some bishops are calling from time to time for more help, for places for "Syrians" in parish homes, etc. They have to repeat the calling because there is not much positive response.

    Most of the Catholic charity organisations I'have heard about send their money and food to the camps in the Middle East and Christian families in Syria and Libanon.

    , @jake
    Liberal Poles are like Liberals everywhere. What sets up Poland for a very bad future is that most Polish conservatives would rather face almost anything that Russian dominance. Not Soviet Marxist dominance, but Russian. Polish conservatives would rather hope the EU gets some common sense than to make a deal with Russia to save European Christian culture at least in Eastern Europe.

    A friend told me how bad that is now in Poland. He is a devout Catholic. but the naive kind who thinks crap like women on EWTN and World Youth Day will help. On the other hand, I say those things breed soft conservatives ready to step to the Left. This guy went to WYD in Krakow. He came back bothered by something: he said that many devoutly Catholic Poles have taken to heart Pope Francis's call for the West to load up with non-white and Moslem immigrants. My friend said he heard Poles who would be deemed conservative saying that new population influx would help keep the Russians as bay.

    That is the same tack taken by American Neocons: de-Christianze and de-white your nation to have the bodies needed to oppose Russia.

    And to close, I should stress this: Pope Francis is doing almost as much to spread Leftism as George Soros.

  11. More from the Wikipedia:

    Record number of HIV virus cases were detected in the central Mazovia region and the whole Poland in January 2007. Simon Mol’s had visited Gdańsk in September 2006, where he helped organize the anti-racist “Music against Intolerance and Violence” festival. After publishing Mol’s epidemiological alert, the number of HIV tests in the Gdańsk provincial centers exceeded 100, day in day out, including two worried males who learnt that their partners had slept with Mol, while the usual number had been hovering over a dozen cases daily beforehand.

    Does anyone know if he learned Polish?

  12. Well, it is called Pole-land.

  13. The first time I heard of AIDS was in a story in 81 or so Rolling Stone calling it “gay cancer”.

    It was a plague, Chicago getting much less hit than the coasts.

    This sounds like the same denial.

  14. One of the first things Obama when he took office was lift the near-ban on immigration of people with HIV. Trump can easily reverse it.

    How many Americans have been infected and died as a result? 15,000 dead Americans maybe? Hard to believe the number isn’t higher than 9/11.

    And given the typical level of human capital of immigrants from the HIV belt, I am sure the taxpayer is on the hook for at least half a million per HIV-migrant in medical care.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    Probably not many yet, since modern antiretrovirals allow you to live ~30 years after infection.
  15. This story really begs the question of why so many Polish women would want to have sex with this loser

    • Replies: @bbzh
    Idk how those Portuguese soldiers in Guinea brought AIDs with them to Portugal, do you?
    , @Kyle McKenna
    Next time you're in Europe, watch TV if you dare. It's full of evil, stupid, dishonest white males using they privilege to hold down noble, virtuous, super-intelligent persons of color, and wimmenz of course.

    That is to say, it's pretty much the same as "entertainment" in the USA. A few decades of audio-visual indoctrination and it's a wonder that any relations at all--much less marriages--still occur between white people.
    , @Frau Katze

    This story really begs the question of why so many Polish women would want to have sex with this loser
     
    No kidding! He looks repulsive to me.
    , @Jeff77450
    You beat me to it. I mean, seriously---why??
    , @Buffalo Joe
    415, Maybe he was charming and caring and from the little bit of his writing on display in Steve's post, he was well spoken. Hint my friend, the fastest way into a woman's pants is through her ears. True.
  16. OT

    I’m sure these demands aren’t unprecedented in their looniness… But they still seem pretty darn loony.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2016/12/28/64-demands-by-u-md-student-coalition-include-prayer-rooms-in-every-major-building-shuttles-to-muslim-center/?utm_term=.e4a83d54ca13

    • An immediate response to hate speech or actions from university officials, including a consequence for the perpetrators.
    • Penalties for groups that screen movies that “perpetuate false narratives and stereotypes” of Muslims.
    • Acknowledgment during every campus event that “this is indigenous land,” along with efforts to “officially recognize the tribe or nation whose land upon which the University of Maryland is built.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Here are the funniest demands:

    6. Immediate response to hate speech or actions from the University including a consequence (e.g. mark on transcript, potential suspension);

    48. More classes offered pertaining to Islam and the Muslim world taught by Muslim professors, who will counteract the negativity surrounding the name of Islam that is perpetuated by our culture and media.

    55. A full-time Undocumented Student Coordinator to advocate for, advise, represent, and protect undocumented and DACAmented students.

    64. An opening up of merit scholarships and emergency funds to undocumented and DACAmented students.

     

    , @Lot
    Jews are officially stale pale at UMD now:


    The petitioners listed the communities of students that participated in the initiative this way: “Marginalized, American Indian, Black, Latinx, LGBTQIA+, Muslim, Pro-Palestine, Undocumented.” No Jewish group at the university signed the list of demands, which include a call for “the active encouragement of faculty and students to engage in discourse and learning about the Palestinians’ struggles and the Boycott Divest and Sanction movement without fear of consequences by the university administration.” The BDS movement is a Palestinian-led global campaign to put economic and political pressure on Israel, and it is opposed by many Jewish students.
     
    There are also no East Asian groups on board, rather it seems to be a black/Muslim/Latin group and the reference to dozens of student organizations in inflated by random fraternities that I bet do not even have local houses.

    The lack of NE Asian and Jewish talent kinda shows. Their website took 10 minutes to load, and demands include that one arm of the state government "divest" from another arm of the state government:

    University System of Maryland divestment from Maryland Correctional Enterprises, the prison industry arm of Maryland's Division of Corrections
     
    Overall the demands are for Muslim domination, with prayer rooms in every building and a tax-payer funded shuttle bus to off-campus Mosques. The other big thing that sticks out is the demand to create new jobs for the various signatories with 2.3 averages in their Social Work and African American Studies major.

    There is also a number of demands against free speech:

    Immediate response to hate speech or actions from the University including a consequence (e.g. mark on transcript, potential suspension);
     
    Overall, the number of Muslim demands dominate the list. "Black" and "Latinx" demands number only four each. The "Muslim Student Community Demands" are 12 and each one is a lot longer and more specific. For instance, ban the movie "American Sniper" from being shown on campus, and "More Zabiha options"

    The "LGBTQIA+" are very focused on the trannies, with multiple bathroom demands, a pronoun by all names demand (e.g., Steve Sailer (prefers he/him)).
    , @Frau Katze
    It's like the left has been energized by the Trump victory.

    I suspect we'll see more of this.
  17. Wow, this guy must be the king of race hustlers

  18. Steve,

    I believe the story. How well known is it in Poland though ? Are there any Poles reading this who could tell us ?

  19. Making the United States more like Africa by bringing in as many Africans as possible is a central goal of the modern Democratic Party, as well as the Bush/Ryan/Koch faction of the GOP.

    The number of African (including North African) immigrants was
    200,000 in 1980,
    364,000 in 1990,
    881,000 in 2000
    1.83 million in 2013

    Based on the high HIV rate in most of Africa, a very low estimate of the number of HIV infected Africans Obama brought into the USA as one of his first acts as president is 50,000. The people they infected, and the subsequent infections from those people, could eventually produce a body count of 100,000 people.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Lot, This strengthens my belief that Obama really hates America.
  20. The Poles never should have let him into the country. Who cares if liberals in other countries put you down for immigration restriction? Those liberal countries won’t exist in a few decades anyway. Enlightened Westerners have always put down Slavs so there really is no reason to follow in our suicidal path.

    • Replies: @jack ryan
    Agreed.

    I am mostly Midwestern WASP, but am 25% Russian, a mix of Germans and Slavic Russians in Russia (We lost the Russian Civil war - my grandfather came to the USA, my Great Aunt went to France).

    I'm about 18% Slavic and this little Slavic blood makes me tough and I have about 0% use for idiot Liberals or worse idiot Libertarians. Russia had exactly 1 Liberal leader in the entire Russian history Kerensky - before and after, anybody messes with Russians or related/allied Slavs - expect to get beaten, killed or sent to forced labor camps in Siberia. Google what happened to that Yid Oligarch head of Yuko Oil.

    If you are really depressed about BlackLiesMatter mobs or PC cultural marxists on US campuses, google some videos of modern day Cossacks confronting "Pussy Riot".

  21. @Anonymous
    Because Poles are not really "European", which really means "Western European." Even Iberia, despite being geographically Western European, is somewhat peripheral. The Slavs are on the periphery.

    Europeans may recall Talleyrand’s quote about how Europe begins at the Pyrenees. Don’t recall if he had any eastern boundary in mind, but might have excluded the Visegrád Group (Poland, Czechia, Hungary and Slovakia), for example, even though the Hapsburg influence was in force and there was a lot of culture there.

    How small would Europe become with an EU breakup, especially after Brexit and with a potential Frexit or Italeave? Which Europeans will decide to conserve their history and values, and to reject the Mols of the world and their fellow travelers?

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    Talleyrand
     
    Not a bad subject of study for the understanding of our next President.
    , @The Man From K Street

    Europeans may recall Talleyrand’s quote about how Europe begins at the Pyrenees.
     
    Also Edmund Burke's quote about Spain: "a whale stranded on the coast of Europe".
    , @inertial
    Metternich said that Asia begins at the Landstrasse, which is a road outside of Vienna. This means that Poland, Hungary, and Slovakia are excluded from Europe. Czechia is included but only because at the time Bohemia was a German domain with Czechs merely subject people.
    , @Anon 2
    A lot of people have difficulty dealing with the
    fact that Poland is so much in the news, which is
    understandable because Poland as a state basically
    vanished for almost 200 years - from 1795 (Third
    Partition) to 1989 (Overthrow of Communism)
    except for the 20 year interwar period. Poland would
    have contributed a lot more to science, art, and music
    if that had not been the case. Of course, it still managed
    to contribute people of genius, like Chopin in music,
    Joseph Conrad (Korzeniowski) in literature, Bronislaw
    Malinowski in anthropology, and Stefan Banach in
    mathematics.


    However, during its long 1100-year history, Poland
    was fundamentally involved in European affairs, and
    not just because it had to save Europe at least twice
    (1. King Sobieski coming to the rescue of Vienna on 9/11
    1683, and Pilsudski in 1920 saving Europe from being
    overrun by Communism, specifically by the Soviet Red
    Army). In the 1500s imports of Polish grain were feeding
    the inhabitants of the British Isles, which meant there was
    a continuous stream of merchants and diplomats between
    Poland and London. Poland Street in the Soho district of
    London is there for a reason - it received this name due to
    such contacts and a Polish community established in London
    500 years ago. Conversely, thousands of people from the
    British Isles settled in Poland centuries ago, e.g., tens of
    thousands of Scots
  22. And apparently it’s the highest American value to support the Government of Russia over the Government of the US

    KGB si CIA no!

    It’s complicated.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "And apparently it’s the highest American value to support the Government of Russia over the Government of the US"

    It is a traditional American value to not trust the American Government.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    "And apparently it’s the highest American value to support the Government of Russia over the Government of the US"

    Yep, peakstupidity.com thinks so. If this were 1975, do you think the it would have been a Russian value to support the Government of the USSR over the Government of the US?

    Golden rule, dude, live it, learn it, use it. The cold war is over, and the US Gov't is an out-of-control Beast from Hell.
    , @NC
    muh constitution!
  23. By the way, the HIV transmission rate in cases of receptive vaginal intercourse is estimated at 0.05% to 0.3%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS#Sexual

    So to infect dozens of women one has to copulate with thousands. I’m assuming here that most of these encounters were one-night stands.

    There must be kids, lots of them.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    That's the infection rate for all vaginal sex (including between two noninfected people and/or with a condom). The infection rate with an HIV-positive person is very high (which, among other things, is why it's completely nuts to let them immigrate here).
    , @Lot

    By the way, the HIV transmission rate in cases of receptive vaginal intercourse is estimated at 0.05% to 0.3%.
     
    For someone who is not under any treatment what is it? Then there is this, let the URL be a warning:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_sex

    The practice is entirely an African thing.
    , @little spoon
    Mr. Mol left a lot of victims. What's the transmission rate for non-vaginal intercourse?
    , @james wilson
    The CDC statistic I read was .09%, call it one in eleven thousand through the front door, and to be clear, that is from an infected partner, not a random partner. Now back door, it's 2%, one in fifty, exactly the rate from an infected needle. Men who spread HIV are riding the caboose. All the blather about unprotected sex is bullshit pc blather. Black heterosexuals worldwide are exponentially more likely to go back door. It is racist to claim otherwise.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    You're assuming the intercourse was vaginal. Also, he appears not to have sought treatment. What's the transmission rate for an untreated partner?
    , @Formerly CARealist
    I'm guessing that the type of woman who's screwing with an African footballer is on the pill. Also abortion, even if it's kept under-wraps in Poland. what's their TFR? 1.3 children per woman is what I read.

    Remember, it's a small minority of the female population who behaves this way. They generate all the outrageous headlines and social problems but it's not a large number.
    , @Almost Missouri
    Seems like a pretty busy guy still to have time to boff all those Polish girls.

    In Poland Simon Mol wrote poems, founded a small theatre, and engaged in political campaigns for the rights of mostly African and Chechen refugees, anti-racism, anti-fascism and environmental protection. ... with him filing reports to Amnesty International about the alleged institutional racism. ... He became an advisor with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, a journalist of The Warsaw Voice, the secretary general of Association of Refugees in the Republic of Poland, the chief editor of “The Voice of the Refugee” ... In 2005 he organized a conference with Black ambassadors in Poland to protest ...
     
    He got asylum in 2000 and was arrested about 2007, so this whole history is in about 7 years.

    Does anyone else suspect that most of his above listed achievements were actually someone else's work? In other words, someone else--or someones elses--runs the theater, organizes the political campaign, files the reports, writes the advice, confects the journalism, edits the newspaper, organizes the conference, etc. and Mol is just the front man (whose main actual activity happens to be snagging chicks)?

    Sorta like Obama (minus the chicks).
  24. Maybe he got HIV from the “stereotype threat” (that all Africans have HIV).

  25. I wonder if he was offended that the name of the group that gave him the award was “Nigdy Weicej”.

  26. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @benjaminl
    OT

    I'm sure these demands aren't unprecedented in their looniness... But they still seem pretty darn loony.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2016/12/28/64-demands-by-u-md-student-coalition-include-prayer-rooms-in-every-major-building-shuttles-to-muslim-center/?utm_term=.e4a83d54ca13

    • An immediate response to hate speech or actions from university officials, including a consequence for the perpetrators.
    • Penalties for groups that screen movies that “perpetuate false narratives and stereotypes” of Muslims.
    • Acknowledgment during every campus event that “this is indigenous land,” along with efforts to “officially recognize the tribe or nation whose land upon which the University of Maryland is built.”
     

    Here are the funniest demands:

    6. Immediate response to hate speech or actions from the University including a consequence (e.g. mark on transcript, potential suspension);

    48. More classes offered pertaining to Islam and the Muslim world taught by Muslim professors, who will counteract the negativity surrounding the name of Islam that is perpetuated by our culture and media.

    55. A full-time Undocumented Student Coordinator to advocate for, advise, represent, and protect undocumented and DACAmented students.

    64. An opening up of merit scholarships and emergency funds to undocumented and DACAmented students.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one

    Immediate response to hate speech or actions from the University including a consequence (e.g. mark on transcript, potential suspension);
     
    How about consequences for hate crime hoaxes?
    , @ben tillman

    6. Immediate response to hate speech or actions from the University including a consequence (e.g. mark on transcript, potential suspension);
     
    What entity will have the authority to punish the University for its hate speech or actions?
  27. @Ivy
    Europeans may recall Talleyrand's quote about how Europe begins at the Pyrenees. Don't recall if he had any eastern boundary in mind, but might have excluded the Visegrád Group (Poland, Czechia, Hungary and Slovakia), for example, even though the Hapsburg influence was in force and there was a lot of culture there.

    How small would Europe become with an EU breakup, especially after Brexit and with a potential Frexit or Italeave? Which Europeans will decide to conserve their history and values, and to reject the Mols of the world and their fellow travelers?

    Talleyrand

    Not a bad subject of study for the understanding of our next President.

  28. @Lot
    One of the first things Obama when he took office was lift the near-ban on immigration of people with HIV. Trump can easily reverse it.

    How many Americans have been infected and died as a result? 15,000 dead Americans maybe? Hard to believe the number isn't higher than 9/11.

    And given the typical level of human capital of immigrants from the HIV belt, I am sure the taxpayer is on the hook for at least half a million per HIV-migrant in medical care.

    Probably not many yet, since modern antiretrovirals allow you to live ~30 years after infection.

  29. @benjaminl
    OT

    I'm sure these demands aren't unprecedented in their looniness... But they still seem pretty darn loony.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2016/12/28/64-demands-by-u-md-student-coalition-include-prayer-rooms-in-every-major-building-shuttles-to-muslim-center/?utm_term=.e4a83d54ca13

    • An immediate response to hate speech or actions from university officials, including a consequence for the perpetrators.
    • Penalties for groups that screen movies that “perpetuate false narratives and stereotypes” of Muslims.
    • Acknowledgment during every campus event that “this is indigenous land,” along with efforts to “officially recognize the tribe or nation whose land upon which the University of Maryland is built.”
     

    Jews are officially stale pale at UMD now:

    The petitioners listed the communities of students that participated in the initiative this way: “Marginalized, American Indian, Black, Latinx, LGBTQIA+, Muslim, Pro-Palestine, Undocumented.” No Jewish group at the university signed the list of demands, which include a call for “the active encouragement of faculty and students to engage in discourse and learning about the Palestinians’ struggles and the Boycott Divest and Sanction movement without fear of consequences by the university administration.” The BDS movement is a Palestinian-led global campaign to put economic and political pressure on Israel, and it is opposed by many Jewish students.

    There are also no East Asian groups on board, rather it seems to be a black/Muslim/Latin group and the reference to dozens of student organizations in inflated by random fraternities that I bet do not even have local houses.

    The lack of NE Asian and Jewish talent kinda shows. Their website took 10 minutes to load, and demands include that one arm of the state government “divest” from another arm of the state government:

    University System of Maryland divestment from Maryland Correctional Enterprises, the prison industry arm of Maryland’s Division of Corrections

    Overall the demands are for Muslim domination, with prayer rooms in every building and a tax-payer funded shuttle bus to off-campus Mosques. The other big thing that sticks out is the demand to create new jobs for the various signatories with 2.3 averages in their Social Work and African American Studies major.

    There is also a number of demands against free speech:

    Immediate response to hate speech or actions from the University including a consequence (e.g. mark on transcript, potential suspension);

    Overall, the number of Muslim demands dominate the list. “Black” and “Latinx” demands number only four each. The “Muslim Student Community Demands” are 12 and each one is a lot longer and more specific. For instance, ban the movie “American Sniper” from being shown on campus, and “More Zabiha options”

    The “LGBTQIA+” are very focused on the trannies, with multiple bathroom demands, a pronoun by all names demand (e.g., Steve Sailer (prefers he/him)).

    • Replies: @anonymous
    This actually doesn't worry me too much. If Jews aren't on side, nothing will come of it, they're the ones with the power to make things happen.

    If some branch of leftism isn't to the Jews liking, it'll eventually wither away -- especially if it's against gentile whites/asians too.

    The craziness on campus is not really a product of blacks/latins/muslims. The power these groups enjoy is largely borrowed from the Jewish community. These NAM radicals would never've gotten within a thousand yards of a real university if Jews weren't agitating on their behalf.

    It's a very strange dynamic.
    , @ogunsiron
    There are a number of those "I'm a muslima feminist who dances modestly at gay nightclubs and everybody loves my hijab there and fck white heterosexist cisgender patriarchy islam is the true feminism!" types where I live.
  30. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Better Poland than Moland.

    Btw, it’s worth wondering why Poles reacted to this in their own way.

    After all, Mols have been operating all over UK, France, Sweden, Germany, Italy, Spain, Ireland, and etc. UK even had the horrible Rotherham scandal. And yet, it just goes on as usual.

    In contrast, Poles get pissed.

    Is it due to relative lack of ‘white guilt’ ideology? After all, Poles never invaded non-white nations. But then, neither did Swedes or Norwegians, but they are pretty far gone with PC. Maybe, Swedes feel guilty cuz they profited from WWII and remained neutral. Norway was ruled by Nazis at one time, so I don’t see any need for ‘white guilt’ for them. But then, Norwigs hardly have a culture and just imitate Swedes who imitate others.

    Poland was an odd-man out in WWII. It was attacked by both Germany and USSR. It was betrayed by Allies that left it to be swallowed by USSR. And unlike most nations that resisted the Nazis, the main Polish resistance was right-wing… and this right-wing also resisted the Polish commies that collaborated with Soviet masters. So, the Polish Right gained a degree of moral pride. And then, Catholic Church led the anti-communist resistance. Back when US was still a Christian nation — and it felt that way at least up to Reagan era — , Poles looked to ‘rightist’ USA against ‘leftist’ USSR.

    But Poles need to wake up and realize that the US today is a very different place. Democrats are led by the likes of Soros and Hillary who say Poland exists to be
    Mol-ested.

    One Pole I know is a real proggy. He hates Trump, worships homos & wants homomania as the new religion of Poland, and doesn’t care if Poland is flooded with Muslims and Africans as long as they are into ‘western values’ of ass-shaking, sexual degeneracy, etc. He is a super-virtue-signaler.
    Typical of his kind, he is okay with Zionists crushing Palestinians and grinding them to dirt. He would be perfect pet dog of Anne Applebaums of the world. His cultural sensibility is Comet-Pizza-like. Deracinated, decadent, and soulless.

  31. “In Poland Simon Mol wrote poems, founded a small theatre, and engaged in political campaigns for the rights of mostly African and Chechen refugees”

    I’m disappointed Poland has enough Chechen and African refugees that it warranted political campaigns from this infiltrator. Thankfully, it appears the party currently in power will not be taking in any refugees:

    “Poland will not be accepting a single refugee “because there is no mechanism that would ensure safety”, the most powerful politician in the country has said.”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/poland-refuses-to-take-a-single-refugee-because-of-security-fears-a7020076.html

    “It feels that the European Union should operate in the interests of Europeans, that European Values imply that Poles should be allowed to work in London, but not that Poland should be forced to take in massive numbers of non-Europeans.”

    I hope more Poles of good character choose North America as a place to settle to relieve the pressure on Britain.

  32. @Glossy
    By the way, the HIV transmission rate in cases of receptive vaginal intercourse is estimated at 0.05% to 0.3%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS#Sexual

    So to infect dozens of women one has to copulate with thousands. I'm assuming here that most of these encounters were one-night stands.

    There must be kids, lots of them.

    That’s the infection rate for all vaginal sex (including between two noninfected people and/or with a condom). The infection rate with an HIV-positive person is very high (which, among other things, is why it’s completely nuts to let them immigrate here).

    • Replies: @Glossy
    That's not my understanding of what that Wiki article says.

    Average per act risk of getting HIV by exposure route to an infected source

    Receptive penile-vaginal intercourse*
    0.05–0.30%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS#Sexual

    it’s completely nuts to let them immigrate here).

    I agree.

    , @ben tillman

    That’s the infection rate for all vaginal sex (including between two noninfected people and/or with a condom).
     
    No, it's not. Last I heard was 1/1500 for the receptive person in unprotected (vaginal) sex with an HIV-positive person and 1/150 for the receptive party in anal intercourse. Howvever, those are averages, and the transmission rate could be higher for someone who has a more virulent form of the virus or causes more injury facilitating transmission through ruptured membranes.
    , @Intelligent Dasein

    That’s the infection rate for all vaginal sex (including between two noninfected people and/or with a condom).
     
    No, that's not true. Those were per act rates from infected sources assuming no condom use. It says so right in the table in the article.
  33. New name for Europe should be You-Rape.

    “Come rape us.”

  34. @kihowi

    engaged in political campaigns for the rights of mostly African and Chechen refugees, anti-racism, anti-fascism and environmental protection. …
     
    This seems to happen a lot.

    How about: If we save your life by taking you in (as you tell us), you can not try to change us, EVER.

    This used to be called "ungrateful", but I haven't heard that word in a long time.

    How about: If we save your life by taking you in (as you tell us), you can not try to change us, EVER.

    Yeah, but these ingrates won’t honor any deal; we need to not ever interact with them.

  35. @Lot
    Making the United States more like Africa by bringing in as many Africans as possible is a central goal of the modern Democratic Party, as well as the Bush/Ryan/Koch faction of the GOP.

    The number of African (including North African) immigrants was
    200,000 in 1980,
    364,000 in 1990,
    881,000 in 2000
    1.83 million in 2013

    Based on the high HIV rate in most of Africa, a very low estimate of the number of HIV infected Africans Obama brought into the USA as one of his first acts as president is 50,000. The people they infected, and the subsequent infections from those people, could eventually produce a body count of 100,000 people.

    Lot, This strengthens my belief that Obama really hates America.

  36. @Glossy
    By the way, the HIV transmission rate in cases of receptive vaginal intercourse is estimated at 0.05% to 0.3%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS#Sexual

    So to infect dozens of women one has to copulate with thousands. I'm assuming here that most of these encounters were one-night stands.

    There must be kids, lots of them.

    By the way, the HIV transmission rate in cases of receptive vaginal intercourse is estimated at 0.05% to 0.3%.

    For someone who is not under any treatment what is it? Then there is this, let the URL be a warning:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_sex

    The practice is entirely an African thing.

  37. @a Newsreader
    It is amazing how the HIV/AIDS crisis has been thrown into the memory hole. If in 1990 someone told you that anti-racism would take precedence over the prevention of an AIDS outbreak, you wouldn't believe it.

    a Newsreader, Speaking of the memory hole, suddenly homeless people are front and center. Trump elected mere weeks ago and cities are now overrun with homeless. Of course, no one was homeless under Obama.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    It's axiomatic in left/lib circles that immigration has no effect on homelessness.
  38. When I was living in Poland I helped a young lady with her applications to study music and linguistics for graduate school a university in St. Louis.

    Her biggest dreams were of America, Jazz Music and Black Men.

    I have little doubt that the opportunity presented itself. Maybe she’s had a chance to get to know the mentality that have made St. Louis & Ferguson so famous. As blinkered as these naive progressive SJWs are, they’ll always still blame eurocentrism, colonialism, white power, and systemic racism for any bad behavior.

    At the student nightclubs there in Poland, black men were rare, exotic and highly in demand. Whenever one was present the attentions of the young ladies were hard to overlook. It was even more blatant than when the gorgeous tall blonde Dutch or Scandinavian exchange student walks across an American campus.

    Maybe experience will teach young Polish women not to be so naive. Based on our Yank sisters who have plenty of experience and should know better than to be fetishizing and exoticizing this, I’m not optimistic.

    • Replies: @correctionsofficer
    What is up with the Stevo-o-Sphere that attracts interracial cuckolds in the comments section??? Some of course are probably trolls, but others appear to actually be interracial cuckolds with a sexual interest for it. Or, even if they don't necessarily have a pornographic interest in it they can't help themselves but frame every racial problem in the United States in the form of black men getting sexual access to white women.

    Just curious, as it is no where nearly as present around other Alt-Right websites. (I follow most of them.)

    I guess it kind of coincides with Steve's site attracting the "WE ARE DOOMED," crowd and/or concern trolls as well.
    , @hghz
    Well if you had a sudden influx of Russian prostitutes to Poland who had Aids you would see the same thing among men.
  39. @a Newsreader
    It is amazing how the HIV/AIDS crisis has been thrown into the memory hole. If in 1990 someone told you that anti-racism would take precedence over the prevention of an AIDS outbreak, you wouldn't believe it.

    Well, not so sure. In New York in the 80’s, we were told that being critical of centers of AIDS transmission, such as bath houses, or wanting AIDS Typhoid Marys to be reported to health authorities, was anti-homosexual bigotry, and real wrong. Crimethink, also.

    The realpolitik theory about why this was so was that wealthy and thus politically influential gays did not want the liability resulting from their infectious adventures to come back to haunt them. Like lawsuits, you know.

    In New York State, it took a Lothario drug dealer, in some upstate dump of a city, who infected a bunch of young teenage girls, to finally get our clowns in the state legislature to take action and allow reporting of HIV transmission.

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    Gays were split into two camps in the 1980s regarding such issues as closing the bath houses. If you read Randy Shilts "And the Band Played on" you can see how bitter the split was.

    But there was definitely a camp of gays that was "pro common sense". This camp was attacked viciously by the "stupid" side.

    Non gay leftists consistently backed the "stupid" side.

    I got the impression that the "stupid" side was motivated more by the usual leftist lack of logic rather than by practical considerations about liability (although that would have been an issue too),

    (Eventually the bath houses closed because they went broke due of a lack of customers.)
  40. @Glossy
    By the way, the HIV transmission rate in cases of receptive vaginal intercourse is estimated at 0.05% to 0.3%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS#Sexual

    So to infect dozens of women one has to copulate with thousands. I'm assuming here that most of these encounters were one-night stands.

    There must be kids, lots of them.

    Mr. Mol left a lot of victims. What’s the transmission rate for non-vaginal intercourse?

  41. The “Never Again” group mentioned in the article is one of the race guilt organizations that was created after the fall of Soviet Union in the early 1990s.

    Along with greedy investment bankers, Western “race guilters” traveled through Eastern Europe trying to muscle them into confessing their race guilt for the Holocaust, trying to force them to fund Holocaust museums and shrines, incorporate guilt sessions in their schools and guilt training in their textbooks, etc.

    The not-so-unspoken threat was that national confession of their sins would bring Western investment and prosperity. That they couldn’t join the civilized nations of the West until they confessed and atoned for their sin.

    Check out their website and read their PDF articles to get a better sense:

    http://www.nigdywiecej.org/en/reading-room

    Its not surprising they didn’t care if little Polish girls were infected with African AIDS: Poland Must Atone For Anti-Semitism, whatever the cost.

  42. How many Africans can there possibly be in Poland?

    How can racism against Africans possibly be a major issue in Poland?

    Are they like the transgendered of Poland — minuscule numbers being no obstacle to becoming a major civil rights cause?

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    As far as I can tell, the number of Africans in
    Poland is minuscule. Under Communism a few
    of them came to study in Poland, and several
    perhaps intermarried with Polish women. Out
    of one such relationship came a mixed-race weather
    woman who was very visible on Polish TV for a couple
    of decades. She may still be around.

    Back in the '90s one would occasionally see one or two
    blacks in Warsaw in front of McDonalds or places of this
    sort. Once I saw a black boy of about 10 with two Polish ladies
    at a café, who surprisingly spoke Polish with no accent.
    One would also occasionally encounter some Gypsies. But in
    recent years it seems like the blacks and the Gypsies have
    practically disappeared, at least based on my very subjective
    observations when visiting Poland. It's not like Kiev where there
    is now a racially mixed district.

    Vietnamese are very visible in Warsaw - there are about 70,000
    of them in Poland. Being mostly Catholics, perhaps they feel
    comfortable there. But by far the most visible groups are over one
    million Ukrainian workers and students residing in Poland on short
    term visas, an unknown but growing number of Belarusians, about
    10,000 Russians, and a growing number of Slovaks attracted by the
    developing labor shortage. I personally know a pretty Ukrainian girl who is
    working with foster children in Warsaw, and is dating a Polish fellow.
    I know she loves Poland, and even though she visits Ukraine she has no
    desire to go back. I also know a young Russian woman, a good-looking blonde,
    originally from St. Petersburg but raised in Poland, who works at a radio station in
    Warsaw, has lots of Polish friends, is dating a Polish guy, and again has no desire to
    go back to Russia. Hundreds of thousand of Russian troops and their families
    who were stationed in western Poland during the days of Communism were
    absolutely heartbroken when they received orders to withdraw from Poland
    and go back to Russia in the early '90s
    , @Romanian
    Too many, regardless of the number.

    Just one freak like this handed out more death sentences than all but a few of the terrorist attacks in the West recently.

    I wonder why ISIS never thought of this. They probably see a longer term use in the women.
  43. See, to me the most annoying attempt at deception by this guy is that he changed his surname to Mol. As in Gretchen Mol. Which makes it racist:

  44. @Glossy
    By the way, the HIV transmission rate in cases of receptive vaginal intercourse is estimated at 0.05% to 0.3%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS#Sexual

    So to infect dozens of women one has to copulate with thousands. I'm assuming here that most of these encounters were one-night stands.

    There must be kids, lots of them.

    The CDC statistic I read was .09%, call it one in eleven thousand through the front door, and to be clear, that is from an infected partner, not a random partner. Now back door, it’s 2%, one in fifty, exactly the rate from an infected needle. Men who spread HIV are riding the caboose. All the blather about unprotected sex is bullshit pc blather. Black heterosexuals worldwide are exponentially more likely to go back door. It is racist to claim otherwise.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    The CDC statistic I read was .09%, call it one in eleven thousand through the front door, and to be clear, that is from an infected partner, not a random partner.
     
    That would be 1 in eleven hundred.
  45. @snorlax
    That's the infection rate for all vaginal sex (including between two noninfected people and/or with a condom). The infection rate with an HIV-positive person is very high (which, among other things, is why it's completely nuts to let them immigrate here).

    That’s not my understanding of what that Wiki article says.

    Average per act risk of getting HIV by exposure route to an infected source

    Receptive penile-vaginal intercourse*
    0.05–0.30%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS#Sexual

    it’s completely nuts to let them immigrate here).

    I agree.

  46. @Anonymous
    Here are the funniest demands:

    6. Immediate response to hate speech or actions from the University including a consequence (e.g. mark on transcript, potential suspension);

    48. More classes offered pertaining to Islam and the Muslim world taught by Muslim professors, who will counteract the negativity surrounding the name of Islam that is perpetuated by our culture and media.

    55. A full-time Undocumented Student Coordinator to advocate for, advise, represent, and protect undocumented and DACAmented students.

    64. An opening up of merit scholarships and emergency funds to undocumented and DACAmented students.

     

    Immediate response to hate speech or actions from the University including a consequence (e.g. mark on transcript, potential suspension);

    How about consequences for hate crime hoaxes?

  47. @snorlax
    That's the infection rate for all vaginal sex (including between two noninfected people and/or with a condom). The infection rate with an HIV-positive person is very high (which, among other things, is why it's completely nuts to let them immigrate here).

    That’s the infection rate for all vaginal sex (including between two noninfected people and/or with a condom).

    No, it’s not. Last I heard was 1/1500 for the receptive person in unprotected (vaginal) sex with an HIV-positive person and 1/150 for the receptive party in anal intercourse. Howvever, those are averages, and the transmission rate could be higher for someone who has a more virulent form of the virus or causes more injury facilitating transmission through ruptured membranes.

  48. @james wilson
    The CDC statistic I read was .09%, call it one in eleven thousand through the front door, and to be clear, that is from an infected partner, not a random partner. Now back door, it's 2%, one in fifty, exactly the rate from an infected needle. Men who spread HIV are riding the caboose. All the blather about unprotected sex is bullshit pc blather. Black heterosexuals worldwide are exponentially more likely to go back door. It is racist to claim otherwise.

    The CDC statistic I read was .09%, call it one in eleven thousand through the front door, and to be clear, that is from an infected partner, not a random partner.

    That would be 1 in eleven hundred.

  49. @snorlax
    That's the infection rate for all vaginal sex (including between two noninfected people and/or with a condom). The infection rate with an HIV-positive person is very high (which, among other things, is why it's completely nuts to let them immigrate here).

    That’s the infection rate for all vaginal sex (including between two noninfected people and/or with a condom).

    No, that’s not true. Those were per act rates from infected sources assuming no condom use. It says so right in the table in the article.

  50. @Anonymous
    Here are the funniest demands:

    6. Immediate response to hate speech or actions from the University including a consequence (e.g. mark on transcript, potential suspension);

    48. More classes offered pertaining to Islam and the Muslim world taught by Muslim professors, who will counteract the negativity surrounding the name of Islam that is perpetuated by our culture and media.

    55. A full-time Undocumented Student Coordinator to advocate for, advise, represent, and protect undocumented and DACAmented students.

    64. An opening up of merit scholarships and emergency funds to undocumented and DACAmented students.

     

    6. Immediate response to hate speech or actions from the University including a consequence (e.g. mark on transcript, potential suspension);

    What entity will have the authority to punish the University for its hate speech or actions?

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    These fools haven't mastered grammar at the eighth grade level; what are they doing in a university?
  51. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    Jews are officially stale pale at UMD now:


    The petitioners listed the communities of students that participated in the initiative this way: “Marginalized, American Indian, Black, Latinx, LGBTQIA+, Muslim, Pro-Palestine, Undocumented.” No Jewish group at the university signed the list of demands, which include a call for “the active encouragement of faculty and students to engage in discourse and learning about the Palestinians’ struggles and the Boycott Divest and Sanction movement without fear of consequences by the university administration.” The BDS movement is a Palestinian-led global campaign to put economic and political pressure on Israel, and it is opposed by many Jewish students.
     
    There are also no East Asian groups on board, rather it seems to be a black/Muslim/Latin group and the reference to dozens of student organizations in inflated by random fraternities that I bet do not even have local houses.

    The lack of NE Asian and Jewish talent kinda shows. Their website took 10 minutes to load, and demands include that one arm of the state government "divest" from another arm of the state government:

    University System of Maryland divestment from Maryland Correctional Enterprises, the prison industry arm of Maryland's Division of Corrections
     
    Overall the demands are for Muslim domination, with prayer rooms in every building and a tax-payer funded shuttle bus to off-campus Mosques. The other big thing that sticks out is the demand to create new jobs for the various signatories with 2.3 averages in their Social Work and African American Studies major.

    There is also a number of demands against free speech:

    Immediate response to hate speech or actions from the University including a consequence (e.g. mark on transcript, potential suspension);
     
    Overall, the number of Muslim demands dominate the list. "Black" and "Latinx" demands number only four each. The "Muslim Student Community Demands" are 12 and each one is a lot longer and more specific. For instance, ban the movie "American Sniper" from being shown on campus, and "More Zabiha options"

    The "LGBTQIA+" are very focused on the trannies, with multiple bathroom demands, a pronoun by all names demand (e.g., Steve Sailer (prefers he/him)).

    This actually doesn’t worry me too much. If Jews aren’t on side, nothing will come of it, they’re the ones with the power to make things happen.

    If some branch of leftism isn’t to the Jews liking, it’ll eventually wither away — especially if it’s against gentile whites/asians too.

    The craziness on campus is not really a product of blacks/latins/muslims. The power these groups enjoy is largely borrowed from the Jewish community. These NAM radicals would never’ve gotten within a thousand yards of a real university if Jews weren’t agitating on their behalf.

    It’s a very strange dynamic.

    • Agree: AndrewR, Opinionator
    • Replies: @bomag

    The power these groups enjoy is largely borrowed from the Jewish community.
     
    The river might be slow and meandering, but it is still flowing down to the sea.

    More mosques than temples are being built; Jews are being chased out of Europe. Their message and code might be clunky, but it moves.
  52. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    When I was living in Poland I helped a young lady with her applications to study music and linguistics for graduate school a university in St. Louis.

    Her biggest dreams were of America, Jazz Music and Black Men.

    I have little doubt that the opportunity presented itself. Maybe she's had a chance to get to know the mentality that have made St. Louis & Ferguson so famous. As blinkered as these naive progressive SJWs are, they'll always still blame eurocentrism, colonialism, white power, and systemic racism for any bad behavior.

    At the student nightclubs there in Poland, black men were rare, exotic and highly in demand. Whenever one was present the attentions of the young ladies were hard to overlook. It was even more blatant than when the gorgeous tall blonde Dutch or Scandinavian exchange student walks across an American campus.

    Maybe experience will teach young Polish women not to be so naive. Based on our Yank sisters who have plenty of experience and should know better than to be fetishizing and exoticizing this, I'm not optimistic.

    What is up with the Stevo-o-Sphere that attracts interracial cuckolds in the comments section??? Some of course are probably trolls, but others appear to actually be interracial cuckolds with a sexual interest for it. Or, even if they don’t necessarily have a pornographic interest in it they can’t help themselves but frame every racial problem in the United States in the form of black men getting sexual access to white women.

    Just curious, as it is no where nearly as present around other Alt-Right websites. (I follow most of them.)

    I guess it kind of coincides with Steve’s site attracting the “WE ARE DOOMED,” crowd and/or concern trolls as well.

    • Agree: Jack Hanson
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Maybe the problem is that you are defining people who are opposed to miscegenation as "cuckolds". Evidently you don't know what the word means.
    , @Intelligent Dasein
    I blame the PUAs for this. There seems to be a lot of crossover between the Steve-o-sphere and that Heartiste dude, or whoever the hell he is.
    , @Kylie
    "Or, even if they["interracial cuckolds"] don’t necessarily have a pornographic interest in it they can’t help themselves but frame every racial problem in the United States in the form of black men getting sexual access to white women."

    I think that's an exaggeration.

    I would remind you, however, that the racial problem in the United States of having an anti-white mulatto as POTUS for the last eight years was the result of a black man getting sexual access to a white woman.

    , @hhhs
    Well wasnt the entire region of Latin America created as a result of Spanish men having sex with Indian women? You know that Andrew anglin has more traffic than all of unz.com and he basically thinks that ALL white women are whores and had sexual relationships with underage Asian girls right?
    , @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Perhaps Mr. Correctionsofficer is projecting? I have no obsessive preoccupation about interracial relationships either way positive or negative. Prior to living in Europe, I never dwelled on or much less witnessed any kind of fascination with black men like I saw there. Not even the big black jocks of Division I intercollegiate athletics at the American university where previously studied got that kind of attention like they did in Poland. Sure they're exotic and masculine compared to many northern European twerps. No doubt I was a bit jealous of the easy attention they got, but not too jealous because the kind of girls they attracted were mostly of the "adventuress" sort that weren't really my type.

    The experience wasn't that remarkable, but I bring it up to confirm that some stereotypes are true about women exoticizing black men. We don't have to look at all the European lady sex tourists or Leni Riefenstahl's fascination with African warriors for evidence.

    http://www.dasblauelicht.net/Afric52.jpg

    But all those politically correct notions for so long have been denying this and have repressed acknowledgement of some genuine facts. I appreciate Mr. Sailer and his blog because it's about noticing things we're not supposed to. We can get upset or emotional about it... or once were conscious about the long deception's inconsistency with reality, we can move on and live our lives with the relief that we're not crazy for experiencing the world in a way that all the right-thinking bright minds tell us is just not possible.

    As for being a "cuckold" and selling "precious" white breeding stock off to our black brothers (I'm being silly here.), I hardly knew her. She was a neighbor and I didn't know about her particular preferences until after some of our consultations and meetings to discuss her application. Even had I known, I doubt I would have cared either way. I just found it noteworthy because I'd never heard anything so frank an admission like it before. I'm sure there are plenty of American university girls I knew, who might have had similar preferences, but it wasn't common for them to tell some boy they hardly knew about these.

    , @Dumbo
    I think you lack text interpretation skills... This is not what the guy said.

    Anyway, black men having access to white women is indeed a problem, especially if they give birth.

    I've never been to Poland, but I saw in Germany many young white women in a night club "dancing" (grinding) with blacks. There is in the country a strange obsession with all things afro-american (music, clothes, dreadlocks, etc).

    I guess that young women value most of all extroversion, unwarranted self-confidence, and lies, and blacks offer that in spades (no pun intended). For some strange reason, many women associate that with virility.

    When women are in their thirties they are wiser, unfortunately by that time they also lost most of their beauty and fertility.

    However, I did not see too many interracial couples in the streets in Germany. Well, at least not as many as I saw in Canada, there I would see 2 or 3 mixed couples everyday, just walking down the streets. Almost always black men with white women, and white men with asian women.

    The future will be interesting, won't it.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    We all have our crosses to burn.
    , @correction'sofficer
    Note: I didn't realize I "replied" to Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta. He's not particularly the kind of comment i'm talking about (though it is still an example of a topic about a whiny refugee getting veered into the discussion of a black male getting access to white women). I was making a more general point about Isteve comment threads.
    , @ATBOTL
    There is one troll who has been infesting paleocon and nationalist sites for years with interracial/cuckhold type fetishing. It most often posts under "Andrea."

    It's been around for a long time and is truly prolific, trolling almost every alt right leaning blog with long posts that regurgitate white nationalist rhetoric and then slips in something about "strong dominant black men humiliating weak whites."

    Here's some background on this troll:

    http://andreafreiboden.blogspot.com/

    "Andrea Freiboden is a male homosexual internet troll of racialist blogs and websites with an erotic fixation on black men, who also goes by the names:

    "JawboneCritic, Andrea Nyx Hemera, Andrea Ostrov Letania, Middletown Girl, Theya and asfsdsdas"

    There is also this "Gubbler Chechenova" troll who is probably the same person and who is constantly pushing the interracial/cuckhold fetish stuff.
  53. I came to NZ as a skilled migrant. I was required to have an HIV test. If you roll up with a sob story and tell them you’re persecuted, being HIV positive doesn’t seem to be a problem.

    http://www.crime.co.nz/c-files.aspx?ID=36

    At least he was deported.

  54. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    I think Western inclusion-delusion is both guilt-driven and pride-driven.

    The guilt-part is about how white folks had exploited and oppressed the dark folks.
    (Btw, how does this narrative work on Poland when Poland didn’t colonize Africa and Muslim lands? Also, the theme of anti-imperialism was using nationalism to drive out white imperialists. Just how did it morph into white nations having to take in non-whites from ‘liberated’ white nations… and even non-white nations having to take in other non-whites? After all, BBC harshly condemned South African blacks for expelling Zimbabwean blacks. As for the New World, all that diversity there, esp in Latin America, was the result of imperialism, conquest, and slave trade.)

    But there is the Pride part. Some white people get a moral high from the fact that newcomers find Western Societies to be superior and more advanced. Consider how BBC glowed with pride about how Nigerians fled corruption and violence in their home country and found peace/success in the UK.
    So, in a way, the hidden consciousness of inclusion-delusion isn’t much different from Old Imperialism. It’s just another version of White Man’s Burden.
    It used to be whites had to GO THERE to bring light of civilization to the ‘savages’.
    Now, whites need to bring the ‘savages’ to the West to offer them the superior fruits of Western Civilization and ‘western values’.
    In a way, Inclusion-ism even justifies Old Imperialism in a backhanded way and discredits the end of imperialism. After all, if imperialism was so awful, non-white nations should be doing wonderfully well since the evil whites are gone. But many got worse, and many of those people wanted to follow their former masters to the West. They said ‘master, go home!’ but then ‘master, take me with you; I’d rather live with civilized master in master’s land than with savage brethen in my own land.’

    http://dailynigerianews.naijamotherland.com/2016/01/01/nnom-bamgbose-and-institutionalisation-of-academic-corruption-in-nigeria/

    It went from push-imperialism to pull-imperialism.

    The latter is far worse for whites. When push-imperialism failed, whites could return home. But when pull-imperialism fails, whites have no home to run to. And when the dark folks are told to go back home, they won’t. They will just burn down cities.

    Anyway, for the time being, so many virtue-signaling whites(even among Cons) love to bask in their ‘noble’ magnanimity of Inclusion. How nice it feels to have all those benighted non-whites come to White Nations and find the City of Gold, Law and Order, Peace and Harmony, and Prosperity and Opportunity. Surely, the new comers are so grateful and thankful, so filled with admiration for whites. Well, some are.

    But most newcomers(and esp their kids) soon come under the influence of PC that says Whitey is to blame for everything. And then, the gratitude fades away, and white hosts end up with nasty dark folks who ally with globalists and blacks to hate whitey.

    • Agree: Kyle McKenna
    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    Anyway, for the time being, so many virtue-signaling whites(even among Cons) love to bask in their ‘noble’ magnanimity of Inclusion. How nice it feels to have all those benighted non-whites come to White Nations and find the City of Gold, Law and Order, Peace and Harmony, and Prosperity and Opportunity. Surely, the new comers are so grateful and thankful, so filled with admiration for whites. Well, some are.

     

    You've got it. Pride is the original sin.

    The multiculti/SJW left comprises post-Christian heretics who wallow in pride; they see themselves as saviors who rescue and redeem The Other, e.g. those who are oppressed by racism, sexism, Islamophobia, etc. The Other are tacitly assumed to have no agency; they are pawns to be handled by their betters. Only the vanguard can see the world for what it really is; only they can unite and lead the masses to build the shining city, the new Babel; only they can save the lost sheep.

    These heretics' relationship with guilt is complex. On one hand, they use the obvious reality of human sin and imperfection as a blunt instrument to smash their demonized enemies, i.e. bad white people -- all religions need a devil, remember.

    On the other hand, they know deep down that they are not really saviors, and their own sin gnaws at their hearts. The resulting real, personal guilt sometimes bursts out into words and acts of useless, often bizarre, self-denial and abnegation. Yet even here they usually respond with pride: they see themselves as the only humans evolved and enlightened enough to grasp the pervasiveness of racism/sexism/whateverism-ophobia, so their self-corrections are still used to signal their superiority.
    , @Bill B.
    I agree that good-whites feel pride as their societies are dissolved by alien newcomers.

    Moreover I suspect that the lively horror progressives claim to feel over racism and any pushback against diversity etc. is at least in part designed to crush their own instinctive inner recognition of difference and incompatibility.

    They simply cannot allow these inner doubts and fears to rise up so they become ever more violent in their demands that the shibboleths of good-whitery be adhered to.

  55. @correctionsofficer
    What is up with the Stevo-o-Sphere that attracts interracial cuckolds in the comments section??? Some of course are probably trolls, but others appear to actually be interracial cuckolds with a sexual interest for it. Or, even if they don't necessarily have a pornographic interest in it they can't help themselves but frame every racial problem in the United States in the form of black men getting sexual access to white women.

    Just curious, as it is no where nearly as present around other Alt-Right websites. (I follow most of them.)

    I guess it kind of coincides with Steve's site attracting the "WE ARE DOOMED," crowd and/or concern trolls as well.

    Maybe the problem is that you are defining people who are opposed to miscegenation as “cuckolds”. Evidently you don’t know what the word means.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    Maybe the problem is that you are defining people who are opposed to miscegenation as “cuckolds”. Evidently you don’t know what the word means.

    Exactly. Most women who do this weigh upwards of 250, and it's kind of tolerable. When you see a woman who is 6 or better engaging in this behavior it is irritating.
    , @correctionsofficer
    That's clearly not what I'm saying, work on your reading comprehension.

    It's not "white women with black men is a sign of how far western civilization is falling" type comments I'm talking about. I.e. Miscegenation destroys decent homogeneous nations, which I agree with.

    My point is that here at isteve (and from what I can tell far more common here than the rest of the alt right) is a type of commenter who says things, to paraphrase, are along the lines of "white men cannot hope to compete with more masculine black men. They will take and impregnate all the white women and the race will be doom to extinction." I just wondered why, if there are actually people who believe this stuff or if isteve for some reason truly attracts the concern troll/wearedoomed crowd, and why they are here instead of other alt right comment threads
  56. @anony-mouse
    And apparently it's the highest American value to support the Government of Russia over the Government of the US

    KGB si CIA no!

    It's complicated.

    “And apparently it’s the highest American value to support the Government of Russia over the Government of the US”

    It is a traditional American value to not trust the American Government.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  57. @candid_observer
    How many Africans can there possibly be in Poland?

    How can racism against Africans possibly be a major issue in Poland?

    Are they like the transgendered of Poland -- minuscule numbers being no obstacle to becoming a major civil rights cause?

    As far as I can tell, the number of Africans in
    Poland is minuscule. Under Communism a few
    of them came to study in Poland, and several
    perhaps intermarried with Polish women. Out
    of one such relationship came a mixed-race weather
    woman who was very visible on Polish TV for a couple
    of decades. She may still be around.

    Back in the ’90s one would occasionally see one or two
    blacks in Warsaw in front of McDonalds or places of this
    sort. Once I saw a black boy of about 10 with two Polish ladies
    at a café, who surprisingly spoke Polish with no accent.
    One would also occasionally encounter some Gypsies. But in
    recent years it seems like the blacks and the Gypsies have
    practically disappeared, at least based on my very subjective
    observations when visiting Poland. It’s not like Kiev where there
    is now a racially mixed district.

    Vietnamese are very visible in Warsaw – there are about 70,000
    of them in Poland. Being mostly Catholics, perhaps they feel
    comfortable there. But by far the most visible groups are over one
    million Ukrainian workers and students residing in Poland on short
    term visas, an unknown but growing number of Belarusians, about
    10,000 Russians, and a growing number of Slovaks attracted by the
    developing labor shortage. I personally know a pretty Ukrainian girl who is
    working with foster children in Warsaw, and is dating a Polish fellow.
    I know she loves Poland, and even though she visits Ukraine she has no
    desire to go back. I also know a young Russian woman, a good-looking blonde,
    originally from St. Petersburg but raised in Poland, who works at a radio station in
    Warsaw, has lots of Polish friends, is dating a Polish guy, and again has no desire to
    go back to Russia. Hundreds of thousand of Russian troops and their families
    who were stationed in western Poland during the days of Communism were
    absolutely heartbroken when they received orders to withdraw from Poland
    and go back to Russia in the early ’90s

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    The weather girl (and TV presenter) I had in mind
    is Omenaa Mensah. Her mother is Polish, and father is
    from Ghana. Weather girls in Poland are typically young
    and wear miniskirts while on TV, no doubt to bring some
    excitement to the lonely men who watch them
    , @Lurker
    Anecdotally I hear there is some kind of beef between Czechs and Poles while Slovaks and Poles OTOH seem to get on very well.

    There have been a few Slovakian girls where I work, very pretty and sweet natured, always a pleasure to be around. In other words very much like the Polish girls.

    , @backup
    These Belorussians and Ukrainians, are they likely of Polish origin?
    , @ogunsiron
    Interesting that John Godson, born in Nigeria, is a polish parlamentarian for conservative populist party. At least he's not with the Greens.
  58. @correctionsofficer
    What is up with the Stevo-o-Sphere that attracts interracial cuckolds in the comments section??? Some of course are probably trolls, but others appear to actually be interracial cuckolds with a sexual interest for it. Or, even if they don't necessarily have a pornographic interest in it they can't help themselves but frame every racial problem in the United States in the form of black men getting sexual access to white women.

    Just curious, as it is no where nearly as present around other Alt-Right websites. (I follow most of them.)

    I guess it kind of coincides with Steve's site attracting the "WE ARE DOOMED," crowd and/or concern trolls as well.

    I blame the PUAs for this. There seems to be a lot of crossover between the Steve-o-sphere and that Heartiste dude, or whoever the hell he is.

  59. I wonder how many people would pull the lever for repatriation of all NAMs and Muslims arriving here since 1965, plus their descendants, based solely on how much *#(@ing whining and screaming and protesting and criticizing and bitching and moaning and chiseling and grifting and leeching these people do?

    No Jewish group at the university signed the list of demands

    Making it the exception in leftist demands, I’d guess.

  60. @correctionsofficer
    What is up with the Stevo-o-Sphere that attracts interracial cuckolds in the comments section??? Some of course are probably trolls, but others appear to actually be interracial cuckolds with a sexual interest for it. Or, even if they don't necessarily have a pornographic interest in it they can't help themselves but frame every racial problem in the United States in the form of black men getting sexual access to white women.

    Just curious, as it is no where nearly as present around other Alt-Right websites. (I follow most of them.)

    I guess it kind of coincides with Steve's site attracting the "WE ARE DOOMED," crowd and/or concern trolls as well.

    “Or, even if they[“interracial cuckolds”] don’t necessarily have a pornographic interest in it they can’t help themselves but frame every racial problem in the United States in the form of black men getting sexual access to white women.”

    I think that’s an exaggeration.

    I would remind you, however, that the racial problem in the United States of having an anti-white mulatto as POTUS for the last eight years was the result of a black man getting sexual access to a white woman.

  61. The reason for mass Third World Immigration is pretty self-evident right in this story. I’m sure that Poland has millions of nerdy young men who will go one year to the next never even touching a woman. While what amounts to a low IQ Nigerian-type scammer mostly interested in fame and sex had what amounts to thousands of women.

    Occam’s Butterknife says that White women are NOT attracted to Black men, but rather only Jewish mindrays or the Ghost of Moses are making them sleep with Black men against their will just like the issue of Justice League where Superman and the Flash were mind-controlled by Starro. Or whatever.

    Occam’s Razor says that Satoshi Kanazawa was right — the flip side of Black women being of no real interest to any man with options, even or particularly Black men, is that Black men are of intense sexual market interest of women of all races, particularly and especially White women.

    Black men are known for having low IQs, low time preference (if it is not in the next fifteen seconds the average Black man is not interested — for the average African its more like five seconds). Being aggressive, often stupidly violent with easily foreseen consequences is another common trait of Black men. Women and particularly White women despise intelligence in men the way men prize it in women.

    This is race realism. The fatal flaw of WN is their pedestalization of White women — who as a group are in favor of replacing their men with lower IQ, violent, dominant men who can only produce goat-herding societies at best but are not afflicted with nerdy focus on science and engineering.

    This is not the Joooozzzzz! (What was the question?) America has had lots of influential Jews since Judah P. Benjamin. England since Disraeli. Mass Third World immigration is very bad for Jews — Scandinavia will soon be entirely free from Jews as France is rapidly becoming as Muslims dominate. Look at the Democratic Party — the past is Barbara Boxer (replaced by a Black woman), Diane Feinstein, and Chuck Schumer. The future is anti-Israel Barack Obama who failed to veto that UN resolution and is credibly rumored to be demanding at the UN Israel retreat to 1967 borders or face boycotts and even military action. When Hollywood ruled the media environment, when only the movies mattered, there was no TV, radio was three networks, and Jews OWNED every entertainment outlet the nationalism was as patriotic as Yankee Doodle Dandy with Jimmy Cagney literally waving the flag.

    When White men in a fit of brotherly concern made women their full equals they reaped not grateful responses but fury from White women angry that they now had almost no men suitable. No woman wants a man her equal; and having most White men be their equal they turned to the crack cocaine or more likely bath salts of female sex: Black and Muslim men.

    Women **WANT** violent dominance in men like a marathon of Breaking Bad followed by the Blacklist. IF White men were as violent and dangerous as they were dufing the heyday of the Klan in the 1860s, White women would not go for the bath salts of sex. But peace creates its war.

    • Replies: @Moses

    Mass Third World immigration is very bad for Jews
     
    Erm...I guess that's why they work without rest to flood Euro-ethnic countries -- but not Israel -- with mass 3rd world hordes?
    , @Frau Katze
    Please stop speaking as if ALL women think one way or the other. All you need is to add some nuance, "some women".

    53% of white women voted for Trump. Are you positive that women as a whole are a monolith?
    , @backup
    https://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/
  62. @ben tillman

    6. Immediate response to hate speech or actions from the University including a consequence (e.g. mark on transcript, potential suspension);
     
    What entity will have the authority to punish the University for its hate speech or actions?

    These fools haven’t mastered grammar at the eighth grade level; what are they doing in a university?

  63. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    AIDS is a little tattletale telling on those who’ve been naughty but who might want to keep it a secret.
    Doing a search brings up a heck of a lot of such cases all over. Some of these people have reportedly had hundreds of contacts. One thing that seems to be the case is that most of them strike me as being pretty homely. Go figure.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    It's the shamelessness that helps them. That's what most men don't get and can't get past when you see how crummy these Casanovas are. You are basically faking the devil may care attitude of the stereotypical high status man. Combine it with a pushiness to which many women don't have an effective psychological shield, that helps them get a lot of sex with female regrets after. Contrary to the most publicized examples, I think most women, even in the US, are not walking around ready to scream rape and ready to respond to a hard come on with a kick in the crotch. An ambiguous enough delivery will activate their overriding sense of not wanting to look like a fool or be embarassed publicly.
  64. @415 reasons
    This story really begs the question of why so many Polish women would want to have sex with this loser

    Idk how those Portuguese soldiers in Guinea brought AIDs with them to Portugal, do you?

  65. How many male GIs caught STDs from fucking whores in Subic?

  66. I’ll also note that White and in particular, Jewish influence on America is rapidly eroding. The Democratic Party is solidly that of Obama, not Hillary. Obama’s moves on Israel with purportedly more on the way just ignored Chuck Schumer who is a minor figure at best. The University of Maryland, all Muslim/Black/Latino all the time, plus various BLT groups is what most universities and colleges will become.

    Keith Ellison X is the most likely DNC chair. Even if he’s poison to Jewish lawyers like Lawrence Tribe. They don’t matter. Its men like Ellison X, and women like Kamala Harrais who are the future and power of the Democratic Party. Just like Rahm Emmanuel is a dead pol walking, and knows it. If Bertha Lewis had not gotten sick with cancer she would have beat him like Obama did Hillary in 2008.

    Look at the Universities as a whole; they are replacing the older Jewish profs with Genius T. Coates types. Look at Hollywood, in the midst of a White (read: Jewish White) purge in favor of Tyler Perry, Nate Parker, and Leslie T. Jones. Star Wars went from being damn White to … “no White men need apply” as soon as it passed to a … White woman, Kathleen Kennedy.

    Indeed, if you look at the Hillary coalition, it pandered to White women’s (Upper and UMC White women that is) fantasies: no (straight) White men, White women, various non-Whites, Muslims, gays etc.

    Indeed a function, f(x)[White displacement] = degree of female UMC domination + male-female equality + beta_maleness_supplication + level of Male IQ can be derived quite easily.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    Good insight in identifying Kamala Harris--I predict she'll be the Democratic Presidential nominee in 2020. She could be a very formidable candidate: fairly attractive woman who'll be in her late 50s against a 74-year old Donald Trump (Dole's age vis-a-vis Clinton hurt him in 1996). Black enough to re-energize the Negroes, with perfect SJW credentials from her stint as California AG. Don't know how she'll appeal to Mestizos. If Trump can turn around the economy in the Rust Belt states he still has a chance, but demographic changes are relentless.
  67. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    When I was living in Poland I helped a young lady with her applications to study music and linguistics for graduate school a university in St. Louis.

    Her biggest dreams were of America, Jazz Music and Black Men.

    I have little doubt that the opportunity presented itself. Maybe she's had a chance to get to know the mentality that have made St. Louis & Ferguson so famous. As blinkered as these naive progressive SJWs are, they'll always still blame eurocentrism, colonialism, white power, and systemic racism for any bad behavior.

    At the student nightclubs there in Poland, black men were rare, exotic and highly in demand. Whenever one was present the attentions of the young ladies were hard to overlook. It was even more blatant than when the gorgeous tall blonde Dutch or Scandinavian exchange student walks across an American campus.

    Maybe experience will teach young Polish women not to be so naive. Based on our Yank sisters who have plenty of experience and should know better than to be fetishizing and exoticizing this, I'm not optimistic.

    Well if you had a sudden influx of Russian prostitutes to Poland who had Aids you would see the same thing among men.

  68. @correctionsofficer
    What is up with the Stevo-o-Sphere that attracts interracial cuckolds in the comments section??? Some of course are probably trolls, but others appear to actually be interracial cuckolds with a sexual interest for it. Or, even if they don't necessarily have a pornographic interest in it they can't help themselves but frame every racial problem in the United States in the form of black men getting sexual access to white women.

    Just curious, as it is no where nearly as present around other Alt-Right websites. (I follow most of them.)

    I guess it kind of coincides with Steve's site attracting the "WE ARE DOOMED," crowd and/or concern trolls as well.

    Well wasnt the entire region of Latin America created as a result of Spanish men having sex with Indian women? You know that Andrew anglin has more traffic than all of unz.com and he basically thinks that ALL white women are whores and had sexual relationships with underage Asian girls right?

    • Replies: @NC
    You know what, he's not far from wrong. A bigger problem even than white girls who are sluts for blacks is just the fact that so many white girls are sluts in the first place. Slut values are the normative values for young women today. How is a woman who grew up in the hookup culture supposed to suddenly become a devoted wife and loving mother upon marriage? It doesnt work and the past 50 years of culture have proved it.
    , @Jefferson
    "Well wasnt the entire region of Latin America created as a result of Spanish men having sex with Indian women?"

    And Black women as well.
  69. OT but there are a lot of Africans in Canton, and from what I read there are quite a few mixed race children there, and African men have no problem getting Chinese women provided they have enough yuan.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    To more limited extent than you think. People still lynch there and victims are disproportionately foreigners and foreign blacks, which I find tragic at times, but certainly prevents certain crimes.
  70. Poland is obviously not perfect but it has surprisingly
    low indices of social dysfunction. For example, the
    HIV rate (2011) was as low as 0.1% in Poland (and
    Germany) in contrast to 1.1% in Russia and 0.6% in
    the U.S. The divorce rate is 27% in Poland, compared
    to 51% in Russia, and 49% in Germany. Homicide and
    abortion rates are extremely low. As they used to say
    about Chicago, it’s a country that works. Right now Poland
    is hoping to increase its GDP (PPP) per capita from about
    $29,000 to $35,000.

    Affluence begets decadence, and it seems like once a country
    exceeds roughly $35,000 per capita, decadence and hedonism
    kick in and rates of social dysfunction begin to skyrocket, as they
    did in the U.S. a long time ago. Poland is not there yet, personal
    sacrifice is in fact seen as salvific in the sense that in Catholic
    theology suffering has meaning – it contributes to one’s salvation.
    Even though Poland became an almost entirely Protestant country
    in the late 1500s, it reconverted, and “sola fide” is really not part of the
    culture. There is none of the “do what you will as long as you believe”
    mindset that guided Bill Clinton after he became a born-again Christian.
    Hedonism on the American scale is unlikely to take root in Poland in the
    near future. Suffering, sacrifice, and celibacy are still respected. For example,
    Poland still produces thousands of Christian missionaries, mostly priests and nuns,
    who go to places that are typically underserved in Africa or Asia, and bring the message
    of the Gospel to those who suffer

    • Replies: @AP
    Agree with the first paragraph. But:

    Affluence begets decadence, and it seems like once a country
    exceeds roughly $35,000 per capita, decadence and hedonism
    kick in and rates of social dysfunction begin to skyrocket
     
    As Charles Murray showed, wealthy American have, in general, low levels of social dysfunction. They have low divorce rates, crime rates, etc. The problem is not in wealth but in culture.

    Poland has a few things going for it:

    1. As others have pointed out, Poles ave no post-colonial guilt. Their ancestors never invaded or oppressed Muslims or Africans. Poles don't feel the need to atone for past crimes.

    2. Related to above - Poles, unlike Swedes, have a strong victim-complex. Millions of them were murdered by Nazis and Communists. A German, whose ancestors slaughtered Poles, or a Frenchman or Englishman, whose ancestors looked the other way as Poland was brutalized by Germany and the USSR, will never be able to lecture Poles about human rights and morality. This goes 10x for Western leftists with a soft spot for Communism.

    3. A positive side effect of Communism was that it kept Poles separated from the West at a time when Western cultural leftism was new and cool (60s and 70s). They encountered it at a when the novelty had worn off and the disadvantages had begun to appear.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Poland would be better served by those priests nuns getting married, having their own children, and teaching their spiritual and moral values (as well as a love of their nation and pride in their family and nation) to those children. What a waste to join the catholic clergy.
  71. Stories like this one convince me that the best solution to “racism” is separation of races.

    Incentives matter. As long as blacks get goodies for crying racism they’ll keep doing it. Looks like this man built his whole little empire on cries of “raaaccissst!” He has good company in the USA.

    As Steve mentioned in a previous post, demand for racism far outstrips supply these days. Proliferation of hate hoaxes is just filling demand.

    Eventually there won’t be enough whitey to go around.

  72. “immigration reform”

    “fix our immigration system”

    Too much Newspeak in immigration discussion.

  73. @candid_observer
    How many Africans can there possibly be in Poland?

    How can racism against Africans possibly be a major issue in Poland?

    Are they like the transgendered of Poland -- minuscule numbers being no obstacle to becoming a major civil rights cause?

    Too many, regardless of the number.

    Just one freak like this handed out more death sentences than all but a few of the terrorist attacks in the West recently.

    I wonder why ISIS never thought of this. They probably see a longer term use in the women.

    • Replies: @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Potentially an effective tactic for terrorists. Get the virgins in thus life and the next.
    , @Kylie
    "Too many[African refugees], regardless of the number.

    Just one freak like this handed out more death sentences than all but a few of the terrorist attacks in the West recently."

    Exactly. Even at this late stage, far too many whites think about refugees in terms of degree, not type. E.g., "If we only allow X number of refugees in, it won't have much negative effect on our society because that's such a small number."

    Wrong. Even if these refugees are free of disease, they still bring their social dysfunction with them

    How many is too many? Any is too many.
  74. Personal opinion from Poland: yes, in his time Simon Mol was, indeed very educational. But present national feelings about “refugees” (which are – hell, no, keine refugees! If we must have some then only Christians, keep the refugee centers open, so they can flee to Germany at the first opportunity) come mostly from reading newspapers and watching TV and from Polish workers in Germany and UK.

  75. @anonymous
    AIDS is a little tattletale telling on those who've been naughty but who might want to keep it a secret.
    Doing a search brings up a heck of a lot of such cases all over. Some of these people have reportedly had hundreds of contacts. One thing that seems to be the case is that most of them strike me as being pretty homely. Go figure.

    It’s the shamelessness that helps them. That’s what most men don’t get and can’t get past when you see how crummy these Casanovas are. You are basically faking the devil may care attitude of the stereotypical high status man. Combine it with a pushiness to which many women don’t have an effective psychological shield, that helps them get a lot of sex with female regrets after. Contrary to the most publicized examples, I think most women, even in the US, are not walking around ready to scream rape and ready to respond to a hard come on with a kick in the crotch. An ambiguous enough delivery will activate their overriding sense of not wanting to look like a fool or be embarassed publicly.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Opinionator

    An ambiguous enough delivery will activate their overriding sense of not wanting to look like a fool or be embarassed publicly.
     
    Not sure what you meant by this.
    , @ben tillman

    It’s the shamelessness that helps them. That’s what most men don’t get and can’t get past when you see how crummy these Casanovas are. You are basically faking the devil may care attitude of the stereotypical high status man.
     
    True, and you've done a great job of articulating this and related points in this thread. However, it's also true that he actually has high status (government backing) and, more importantly, is perceived as having super-high status. As Yggdrasil explained long ago, part of the attraction is the instinctual presumption that an alien man who walks among the natives with impunity must be a super-badass, or else the native men would have expelled, killed, or restrained him as the woman's instincts tell her they have reason to do.

    The fact that a Cameroonian in Poland is especially saliently alien just adds to the presumption of super-badassitude.

    I can't recall where Yggdrasil made this point, but his writings are a treasure trove, and I suggest you do some browsing.

    http://www.whitenationalism.com/
  76. @Anonymous
    Because Poles are not really "European", which really means "Western European." Even Iberia, despite being geographically Western European, is somewhat peripheral. The Slavs are on the periphery.

    Troll detected.

  77. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The Simon Mol saga is not unique to Poland.
    Over the decades, there have been more than a few cases of ‘exciting, exotic, virile’, young black studs prising the panties off dumb European broads – and giving them HIV as a by your leave.
    There was a (hushed up) case in Iceland involving a Nigerian ‘asylum seeker’. Sweden has a number of cases, as had Great Britain. And to show it’s not a north Euro broad thing either, a few cases have popped up in tiny Malta.

    That said, it’s a remarkable testament to the current dogma of national citizenship as combined with ‘female equality’ and the age of open borders. Enoch Powell once declared, in relation to yet another (unsuccessful) British Nationality Act, that British citizenship should, through marriage and issue, be passed down the male line only since it was and is only men who ‘fight and die for their countries’. In the case of Poland this is particularly apposite since, historically, millions of Polish men fought and died for their country. So what do the modern women of Poland do? – open their legs and give over the womb of the nation to trendy early studmuffin. That they got HIV into the bargain from a damned dishonest liar who used the selfsame dishonesty to lie and chest his way into Poland in the first place, is of no consequence.

    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    Enoch Powell steps up yet another level in my estimation..
  78. @correctionsofficer
    What is up with the Stevo-o-Sphere that attracts interracial cuckolds in the comments section??? Some of course are probably trolls, but others appear to actually be interracial cuckolds with a sexual interest for it. Or, even if they don't necessarily have a pornographic interest in it they can't help themselves but frame every racial problem in the United States in the form of black men getting sexual access to white women.

    Just curious, as it is no where nearly as present around other Alt-Right websites. (I follow most of them.)

    I guess it kind of coincides with Steve's site attracting the "WE ARE DOOMED," crowd and/or concern trolls as well.

    Perhaps Mr. Correctionsofficer is projecting? I have no obsessive preoccupation about interracial relationships either way positive or negative. Prior to living in Europe, I never dwelled on or much less witnessed any kind of fascination with black men like I saw there. Not even the big black jocks of Division I intercollegiate athletics at the American university where previously studied got that kind of attention like they did in Poland. Sure they’re exotic and masculine compared to many northern European twerps. No doubt I was a bit jealous of the easy attention they got, but not too jealous because the kind of girls they attracted were mostly of the “adventuress” sort that weren’t really my type.

    The experience wasn’t that remarkable, but I bring it up to confirm that some stereotypes are true about women exoticizing black men. We don’t have to look at all the European lady sex tourists or Leni Riefenstahl’s fascination with African warriors for evidence.

    But all those politically correct notions for so long have been denying this and have repressed acknowledgement of some genuine facts. I appreciate Mr. Sailer and his blog because it’s about noticing things we’re not supposed to. We can get upset or emotional about it… or once were conscious about the long deception’s inconsistency with reality, we can move on and live our lives with the relief that we’re not crazy for experiencing the world in a way that all the right-thinking bright minds tell us is just not possible.

    As for being a “cuckold” and selling “precious” white breeding stock off to our black brothers (I’m being silly here.), I hardly knew her. She was a neighbor and I didn’t know about her particular preferences until after some of our consultations and meetings to discuss her application. Even had I known, I doubt I would have cared either way. I just found it noteworthy because I’d never heard anything so frank an admission like it before. I’m sure there are plenty of American university girls I knew, who might have had similar preferences, but it wasn’t common for them to tell some boy they hardly knew about these.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    or once were conscious about the long deception’s inconsistency with reality,

    Interesting comments. How do you define "the long deception"?
  79. @Anon 2
    As far as I can tell, the number of Africans in
    Poland is minuscule. Under Communism a few
    of them came to study in Poland, and several
    perhaps intermarried with Polish women. Out
    of one such relationship came a mixed-race weather
    woman who was very visible on Polish TV for a couple
    of decades. She may still be around.

    Back in the '90s one would occasionally see one or two
    blacks in Warsaw in front of McDonalds or places of this
    sort. Once I saw a black boy of about 10 with two Polish ladies
    at a café, who surprisingly spoke Polish with no accent.
    One would also occasionally encounter some Gypsies. But in
    recent years it seems like the blacks and the Gypsies have
    practically disappeared, at least based on my very subjective
    observations when visiting Poland. It's not like Kiev where there
    is now a racially mixed district.

    Vietnamese are very visible in Warsaw - there are about 70,000
    of them in Poland. Being mostly Catholics, perhaps they feel
    comfortable there. But by far the most visible groups are over one
    million Ukrainian workers and students residing in Poland on short
    term visas, an unknown but growing number of Belarusians, about
    10,000 Russians, and a growing number of Slovaks attracted by the
    developing labor shortage. I personally know a pretty Ukrainian girl who is
    working with foster children in Warsaw, and is dating a Polish fellow.
    I know she loves Poland, and even though she visits Ukraine she has no
    desire to go back. I also know a young Russian woman, a good-looking blonde,
    originally from St. Petersburg but raised in Poland, who works at a radio station in
    Warsaw, has lots of Polish friends, is dating a Polish guy, and again has no desire to
    go back to Russia. Hundreds of thousand of Russian troops and their families
    who were stationed in western Poland during the days of Communism were
    absolutely heartbroken when they received orders to withdraw from Poland
    and go back to Russia in the early '90s

    The weather girl (and TV presenter) I had in mind
    is Omenaa Mensah. Her mother is Polish, and father is
    from Ghana. Weather girls in Poland are typically young
    and wear miniskirts while on TV, no doubt to bring some
    excitement to the lonely men who watch them

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    Weather girls in Poland are typically young and wear miniskirts while on TV
     
    We've got the same thing, except they're on Fox News and some can be in their 40s.

    It seems pretty deliberate, is it soft-core for grandfathers?

    BTW, TV in the US is bound to get more Mexican-ized. I know some old battle-axes in the industry still hanging on but their days are numbered. At least when I'm stuck watching TV in the nursing home the newsreaders and weather hoochie-mamas will be better looking.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    Who needs pornography, at least soft-core pornography, when you have TV presenters (not just for the weather anymore)? It's getting almost embarassing--men simply need not apply.
  80. Speculative answer to the headline question:
    Does it have to do with the fact that Hitlerism aimed to inflict on the Poles what would arguably be called genocide (if it had not been even more overtly genocidal with respect to the Jews, Gypsies and other less inherently “European” groups)? Perhaps the Poles got the idea that “European values” involve “Europeans” sticking together?

  81. @kihowi

    engaged in political campaigns for the rights of mostly African and Chechen refugees, anti-racism, anti-fascism and environmental protection. …
     
    This seems to happen a lot.

    How about: If we save your life by taking you in (as you tell us), you can not try to change us, EVER.

    This used to be called "ungrateful", but I haven't heard that word in a long time.

    I’m sure the vague underlying ethos was at one time that country A took in refugees/dissidents/malcontents/exiles from country B in the expectation that, perhaps, one day they would overthrow the regime in country B and install one more friendly toward country A. And in the meantime were expected to be wholehearted supporters of country A in its foreign policy goals and silent in matters of country A’s domestic policy.

    These days refugees/dissidents/malcontents/exiles from country B have no intention of returning home but instead aim to actively undermine country A by their presence.

  82. @Buffalo Joe
    a Newsreader, Speaking of the memory hole, suddenly homeless people are front and center. Trump elected mere weeks ago and cities are now overrun with homeless. Of course, no one was homeless under Obama.

    It’s axiomatic in left/lib circles that immigration has no effect on homelessness.

  83. @Anon 2
    As far as I can tell, the number of Africans in
    Poland is minuscule. Under Communism a few
    of them came to study in Poland, and several
    perhaps intermarried with Polish women. Out
    of one such relationship came a mixed-race weather
    woman who was very visible on Polish TV for a couple
    of decades. She may still be around.

    Back in the '90s one would occasionally see one or two
    blacks in Warsaw in front of McDonalds or places of this
    sort. Once I saw a black boy of about 10 with two Polish ladies
    at a café, who surprisingly spoke Polish with no accent.
    One would also occasionally encounter some Gypsies. But in
    recent years it seems like the blacks and the Gypsies have
    practically disappeared, at least based on my very subjective
    observations when visiting Poland. It's not like Kiev where there
    is now a racially mixed district.

    Vietnamese are very visible in Warsaw - there are about 70,000
    of them in Poland. Being mostly Catholics, perhaps they feel
    comfortable there. But by far the most visible groups are over one
    million Ukrainian workers and students residing in Poland on short
    term visas, an unknown but growing number of Belarusians, about
    10,000 Russians, and a growing number of Slovaks attracted by the
    developing labor shortage. I personally know a pretty Ukrainian girl who is
    working with foster children in Warsaw, and is dating a Polish fellow.
    I know she loves Poland, and even though she visits Ukraine she has no
    desire to go back. I also know a young Russian woman, a good-looking blonde,
    originally from St. Petersburg but raised in Poland, who works at a radio station in
    Warsaw, has lots of Polish friends, is dating a Polish guy, and again has no desire to
    go back to Russia. Hundreds of thousand of Russian troops and their families
    who were stationed in western Poland during the days of Communism were
    absolutely heartbroken when they received orders to withdraw from Poland
    and go back to Russia in the early '90s

    Anecdotally I hear there is some kind of beef between Czechs and Poles while Slovaks and Poles OTOH seem to get on very well.

    There have been a few Slovakian girls where I work, very pretty and sweet natured, always a pleasure to be around. In other words very much like the Polish girls.

    • Replies: @Lot

    Slovaks and Poles OTOH seem to get on very well.
     
    The border is long and the languages are mutually intelligible, though Slovak is even closer to Czech than Polish.
    , @AP

    Anecdotally I hear there is some kind of beef between Czechs and Poles while Slovaks and Poles OTOH seem to get on very well.
     
    Poles don't hate Czechs but look down on their country as "wimpy." Czechs refused to fight the Germans (despite having a good and well-equipped army), unlike Poles who fought to the bitter end, and were quick to succumb to Communism with minimal struggle, and then to the liberal West with minimal struggle. Whichever way the wind blows, Czechs will conform - according tot he Polish stereotype. I imagine from the Czech perspective Poles are foolhardy and too full of pride - Warsaw was destroyed, while Prague remained intact and beautiful.
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    Anecdotally I hear there is some kind of beef between Czechs and Poles while Slovaks and Poles OTOH seem to get on very well.

    The Poles grabbed a part of Czech Silesia in 1938 when the Germans took over Bohemia and Moravia. Czechs haven't forgotten that. Also Polish tanks rolled into Czechoslovakia in 1968 along with the rest of the Warsaw pact.

    Many Poles think Czechs are atheistic cowards who didn't fight the Nazis and voted for Communism in 1949.

    There are probably even more historical issues between Bohemia (Czech) and Silesia (Poland) in particular that I am ignoring, but in my experience Czechs and Poles distrust each other in a way that Slovaks and Poles don't.
  84. Steve Sailer:

    “Why Do Poles Not Understand That European Values Require Europhobia?”

    Actually, what you suggest is the polar opposite of European values. If you look at most societies in the World, they are closed, ehtnocentric, socially conservative, intolerant, anti-individualistic, etc.

    What separates Europe from the rest of the World, historially, the European values you talk about, are the opposite of that: tolerance, secularism, rationalism, and above all *individualism and a rejection of ethnocentrism, nationalism and religion as the base of Society*.

    You want to make Europe just like everybody else, making Europe lose exactly what made her special. What made Europe progress far more in the past 600 years and leave all those other parts of Earth behind was exactly that Europeans adopted individualism and individual rights as the moral pilars of their societies.

    White nationalists are constantly complaining:

    “Black people are allowed to celebrate their race and culture, as well as Asians and Arabs. Only us white people are called racist if we do that.”

    Even though they are right about the leftist bias against white people, they miss the bigger picture that not celebrating race is *exactly what makes white European peoples special*”. It is respect for the individual, and social tolerance, that explains why Europe became the bedrock of civilization. That is what allowed Europe to progress culturally and scientifically to the point where it became the essence of what we call civilization. Even the U.S.A is an off shoot of Europe and it’s values.

    Europe should not respond to the terrorist threat like barbaric societies would, by excluding and genociding entire alien ethnic groups. This is *not* an European way of doing things. Europe should fight the threat of jihadists following the tradition of individualism and rationalism: treat everyone as an individual. Muslims who committ crimes will be prosecuted and severely punished. Those who are good people, will be treated like good people.

    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    Fine and dandy, but your utopian prescription completely evades the most critical fact: behind the hundreds of thousands now invading Europe and the USA are millions more preparing to follow. Behind those millions there are billions.

    What's the plan for that? Before you respond, please note that denial is not a plan. Free Stuff is incredibly seductive to those who have next to nothing.

    , @bomag

    What made Europe progress far more in the past 600 years and leave all those other parts of Earth behind was exactly that Europeans adopted individualism and individual rights as the moral pilars of their societies.
     
    That was not the reason. You know nothing.
    , @Romanian
    Maybe, if Europe survives, our descendants will be able to do what we couldn't - enjoy peace, tolerance and freedom without consigning our history, heroes and solidarity to the wastebin. And without the inevitable extinction that comes from sub-replacement fertility rates. Wisdom and freedom combined, what would that be like? But, for them to do that, we have to survive. If it means throwing down the gauntlet and smacking some people around (including some of ours) to put the fear of YT in them, then so be it. It might even be good for the outlanders to have to live with the mess they create, for a change.
    , @Hunsdon
    My God we are graced again with the unique genius of Nick Diaz.
    , @Bies Podkrakowski
    No.
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    Japan is more advanced than Poland and several other European countries. So why does Europe have to adhere to the standards you mention, while Japan doesn't?
    , @Desiderius

    Europe should fight the threat of jihadists following the tradition of individualism and rationalism: treat everyone as an individual.
     
    You didn't build that.
    , @Clyde

    Europe should not respond to the terrorist threat like barbaric societies would, by excluding and genociding entire alien ethnic groups.
     
    So keeping out Muslim and African migrants is genociding them? Got any more trendy words today?
    , @backup
    You do realize that nationalism is a 19th century European invention which basically is instrumental in what Europe became in the 19th century?
    , @Bill B.
    No. Your talk of the individualism of the West etc. has some truth but is overstated. As the great German political philosopher Carl Schmitt pointed out liberals who wish to reduce all true political conflicts to economic competition or mere negotiation are heading for disaster and conquest:


    “If a part of the population declares that it no longer recognizes enemies, then, depending on the circumstance, it joins their side and aids them. Such a declaration does not abolish the reality of the friend-and-enemy distinction. Quite another question concerns citizens of a state who declare that they personally have no enemies. A private person has no political enemies. Such a declaration can at most say that he would like to place himself outside the political community to which he belongs and continue to live as a private individual only.22 Furthermore, it would be a mistake to believe that a nation could eliminate the distinction of friend and enemy by declaring its friendship for the entire world or by voluntarily disarming itself. The world will not thereby become depoliticalized, and it will not be transplanted into a condition of pure morality, pure justice, or pure economics…”

    “It would be ludicrous to believe that a defenseless people has nothing but friends, and it would be a deranged calculation to suppose that the enemy could perhaps be touched by the absence of a resistance. No one thinks it possible that the world could, for example, be transformed into a condition of pure morality by the renunciation of every aesthetic or economic productivity. Even less can a people hope to bring about a purely moral or purely economic condition of humanity by evading every political decision. If a people no longer possesses the energy or the will to maintain itself in the sphere of politics, the latter will not thereby vanish from the world. Only a weak people will disappear…”

    (PLEASE NOTE THAT OUR THEOLOGICALLY ILLITERATE POPE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE FOLLOWING VITAL POINT NOTED BY SCHMITT, PICKING UP FROM PLATO’S RECOGNITION THAT ‘REAL WAR’ WAS ONLY AGAINST ‘NATURAL ENEMIES’:)


    “The enemy is not merely any competitor or just any partner of a conflict in general. He is also not the private adversary whom one hates. An enemy exists only when, at least potentially, one fighting collectivity of people confronts a similar collectivity. The enemy is solely the public enemy, because everything that has a relationship to such a collectivity of men, particularly to a whole nation, becomes public by virtue of such a relationship. The enemy is hostis, not inimicus in the broader sense; , not .9 As German and other languages do not distinguish between the private and political enemy, many misconceptions and falsifications are possible. The often quoted “Love your enemies” (Matt. 5:44; Luke 6:27) reads “diligite inimicos vestros,, and not diligite hostes vestros. No mention is made of the political enemy. Never in the thousand-year struggle between Christians and Moslems did it occur to a Christian to surrender rather than defend Europe out of love toward the Saracens or Turks. The enemy in the political sense need not be hated personally, and in the private sphere only does it make sense to love one's enemy, i.e., one's adversary. The Bible quotation touches the political antithesis even less than it intends to dissolve, for example, the antithesis of good and evil or beautiful and ugly. It certainly does not mean that one should love and support the enemies of one's own people.”

    Excerpt From: Schmitt, Carl. “The Concept of the Political: Expanded Edition.”
  85. @anony-mouse
    And apparently it's the highest American value to support the Government of Russia over the Government of the US

    KGB si CIA no!

    It's complicated.

    “And apparently it’s the highest American value to support the Government of Russia over the Government of the US”

    Yep, peakstupidity.com thinks so. If this were 1975, do you think the it would have been a Russian value to support the Government of the USSR over the Government of the US?

    Golden rule, dude, live it, learn it, use it. The cold war is over, and the US Gov’t is an out-of-control Beast from Hell.

  86. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Because Poles are not really "European", which really means "Western European." Even Iberia, despite being geographically Western European, is somewhat peripheral. The Slavs are on the periphery.

    Actually, if you had a brain bigger than your mouth, and had a modicum of knowledge, you would not make such dumb statements.

    The word ‘Europe’ first arose in ancient Greece, and referred to the distinction between ‘Asia’ that is Anatolia, and the lands on the other side of the Bosphorous, which were termed ‘Europe’. Everything else is an extension from that ancient distinction. Poland is no further east than Greece.
    From a genetic standpoint, Poles have more of a genetic component from the indigenous neolithic inhabitants of Europe, the so called WHG group than many western or southern Europeans have.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    You didn't understand my comment, which was not a suggestion that the Poles are some sort of totally alien race or whatever else that you're insecure about.
  87. @Lurker
    Anecdotally I hear there is some kind of beef between Czechs and Poles while Slovaks and Poles OTOH seem to get on very well.

    There have been a few Slovakian girls where I work, very pretty and sweet natured, always a pleasure to be around. In other words very much like the Polish girls.

    Slovaks and Poles OTOH seem to get on very well.

    The border is long and the languages are mutually intelligible, though Slovak is even closer to Czech than Polish.

    • Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski
    An there are mountains between both countries. Good fences make good neighbours.

    However to be honest I do covet Slovakian part of the fence. Their part of the Tatra mountains is bigger and prettier.
  88. @Mr. Anon
    Maybe the problem is that you are defining people who are opposed to miscegenation as "cuckolds". Evidently you don't know what the word means.

    Maybe the problem is that you are defining people who are opposed to miscegenation as “cuckolds”. Evidently you don’t know what the word means.

    Exactly. Most women who do this weigh upwards of 250, and it’s kind of tolerable. When you see a woman who is 6 or better engaging in this behavior it is irritating.

  89. that every African walking the street here is supposedly HIV positive, and woe betide anyone who dares to unravel the myth being put in place.

    Yes, it’s a “terrible myth”, until it’s time to extort billions from those horrible Westerners by shaming them for “ignoring the AIDS crisis in Africa.” Millions are dying, don’t you know?!

    Probably not many yet, since modern antiretrovirals allow you to live ~30 years after infection.

    Unless you get the new improved drug-resistant HIV, and although there are claims that antiretrovirals are safe long-term, nobody’s been ingesting reverse transcriptase inhibitors for all that long .

  90. nj says: • Website

    If you want to talk about cognitive dissonance among the altright how about that Muslim honor killings actually fall into the brutal but effective category when you think about it, would white women still sleep around with nonwhites if white men carried out honor killings against white female race mixers or carried out acid attacks against them or against sexually promiscuous women?

    • Replies: @bomag

    honor killings actually fall into the brutal but effective category
     
    The altright has always been on board with firm discipline; I don't see the cognitive dissonance here.

    The natural wages of diversity and promiscuity are apparent and brutal enough. "If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead."
    , @Kylie
    "...would white women still sleep around with nonwhites if white men carried out honor killings against white female race mixers or carried out acid attacks against them or against sexually promiscuous women?"

    I doubt going to that extreme would be necessary. Shaming and shunning such women--and their families--would probably be a sufficient deterrent.

    And of course, tightening up access to social services would help. If an unmarried mother of any race knew she couldn't get any welfare for herself or her spawn unless she could show that the fathers were already paying child support, I bet the overall illegitimacy rate would decline.
    , @whorefinder
    One of white and yellow people's best defenses against cuckholding by darker races/ethnicities (beyond geography) was the fact that a white baby mixed with a darker race looks very different than a white baby, and a yellow baby mixed with a darker race looks very different from a yellow baby.

    This insured that cuckholded men of the white/yellow races could swiftly detect a cuckholding by a darker raced man once the baby was born, and the white/yellow societies felt no shame in cutting the woman off from him and his support. Meanwhile, the white/yellow man could sleep with a darker raced woman and her child would not show obvious white/yellow signs of the father, unless the child already had such white/yellow blood in them and the genes produced a much-lighter child.

    Many women in highly nationalistic societies understand that going outside the local national groups means a shunning they cannot bear. Japanese women who sleep with blacks (servicemen, "rappers", and wrestlers/basketball players) account for one of the highest abortion-seeking groups of women in Japan.
    , @Frau Katze
    This has actually crossed my mind.

    Will re-tribalization eventually occur among white people? I certainly don't expect it in my lifetime, but I wonder....?
    , @AnotherGuessModel
    would white women still sleep around with nonwhites if white men carried out honor killings against white female race mixers or carried out acid attacks against them or against sexually promiscuous women?

    It can only be a brutal and "effective" (arguably ineffective, and a symptom of a profoundly dysfunctional culture) category in a specific cultural context. So I disagree that there is cognitive dissonance in this instance, because Western concepts of honor and shame are very different from ones where such violence is practiced.

    Note also that women play a prominent role in delegating and sanctioning honor killings and other punitive violence against other women, frequently their own flesh and blood. You may already know this, but it isn't explicit in your post, and it's significant, yet often overlooked.

  91. @Wilbur Hassenfus
    Burn the coal, pay the toll.

    Was about to post exactly that.

    If you google image search BTCPTT you can find some pretty good memes. I especially like the OJ Simpson one, pretty graphic though.

  92. One of the first things Obama did when he took office was ease the restrictions for HIV-positive individuals entering the US.

    Priorities.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/us/politics/31travel.html

    • Replies: @Romanian
    Porter, at the Kakistocracy blog, had a post on this, complete with useful links.

    https://kakistocracyblog.wordpress.com/2016/02/28/its-not-the-thought-that-counts/

    It's not just HIV.

    Now, said the Center, the list of inadmissible communicable diseases only includes syphilis, gonorrhea, tuberculosis, and leprosy.
     
  93. @415 reasons
    This story really begs the question of why so many Polish women would want to have sex with this loser

    Next time you’re in Europe, watch TV if you dare. It’s full of evil, stupid, dishonest white males using they privilege to hold down noble, virtuous, super-intelligent persons of color, and wimmenz of course.

    That is to say, it’s pretty much the same as “entertainment” in the USA. A few decades of audio-visual indoctrination and it’s a wonder that any relations at all–much less marriages–still occur between white people.

  94. It’s almost like “anti-racism” is just a cheap racket for hustlers to weasel into and use as a protected sinecure to abuse the good will of the people and get rich and laid. .

    If this were the Old West in the 19th Century, these folks would be selling snake oil and nostrums to cure every ailment. Of course, the people in the Old West had more sense than us. Once they found out it was just a con, they’d tar-and-feather the hustlers and run them out of town; it’s why they were “traveling”medicine men.

  95. @Romanian
    Too many, regardless of the number.

    Just one freak like this handed out more death sentences than all but a few of the terrorist attacks in the West recently.

    I wonder why ISIS never thought of this. They probably see a longer term use in the women.

    Potentially an effective tactic for terrorists. Get the virgins in thus life and the next.

  96. @Anonymous
    The Simon Mol saga is not unique to Poland.
    Over the decades, there have been more than a few cases of 'exciting, exotic, virile', young black studs prising the panties off dumb European broads - and giving them HIV as a by your leave.
    There was a (hushed up) case in Iceland involving a Nigerian 'asylum seeker'. Sweden has a number of cases, as had Great Britain. And to show it's not a north Euro broad thing either, a few cases have popped up in tiny Malta.

    That said, it's a remarkable testament to the current dogma of national citizenship as combined with 'female equality' and the age of open borders. Enoch Powell once declared, in relation to yet another (unsuccessful) British Nationality Act, that British citizenship should, through marriage and issue, be passed down the male line only since it was and is only men who 'fight and die for their countries'. In the case of Poland this is particularly apposite since, historically, millions of Polish men fought and died for their country. So what do the modern women of Poland do? - open their legs and give over the womb of the nation to trendy early studmuffin. That they got HIV into the bargain from a damned dishonest liar who used the selfsame dishonesty to lie and chest his way into Poland in the first place, is of no consequence.

    Enoch Powell steps up yet another level in my estimation..

    • Agree: PV van der Byl
  97. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "Why Do Poles Not Understand That European Values Require Europhobia?"

    Actually, what you suggest is the polar opposite of European values. If you look at most societies in the World, they are closed, ehtnocentric, socially conservative, intolerant, anti-individualistic, etc.

    What separates Europe from the rest of the World, historially, the European values you talk about, are the opposite of that: tolerance, secularism, rationalism, and above all *individualism and a rejection of ethnocentrism, nationalism and religion as the base of Society*.

    You want to make Europe just like everybody else, making Europe lose exactly what made her special. What made Europe progress far more in the past 600 years and leave all those other parts of Earth behind was exactly that Europeans adopted individualism and individual rights as the moral pilars of their societies.

    White nationalists are constantly complaining:

    "Black people are allowed to celebrate their race and culture, as well as Asians and Arabs. Only us white people are called racist if we do that."

    Even though they are right about the leftist bias against white people, they miss the bigger picture that not celebrating race is *exactly what makes white European peoples special*". It is respect for the individual, and social tolerance, that explains why Europe became the bedrock of civilization. That is what allowed Europe to progress culturally and scientifically to the point where it became the essence of what we call civilization. Even the U.S.A is an off shoot of Europe and it's values.

    Europe should not respond to the terrorist threat like barbaric societies would, by excluding and genociding entire alien ethnic groups. This is *not* an European way of doing things. Europe should fight the threat of jihadists following the tradition of individualism and rationalism: treat everyone as an individual. Muslims who committ crimes will be prosecuted and severely punished. Those who are good people, will be treated like good people.

    Fine and dandy, but your utopian prescription completely evades the most critical fact: behind the hundreds of thousands now invading Europe and the USA are millions more preparing to follow. Behind those millions there are billions.

    What’s the plan for that? Before you respond, please note that denial is not a plan. Free Stuff is incredibly seductive to those who have next to nothing.

  98. Righty people online seem overtly concerned about immigration to Europe as it manifests as terrorism and stranger rape.

    But I think that those are relatively rare in frequency compared with economic parasitism and “consensual dating” like Mr. Mol practiced that leave white women diseased, dirtied, lied to, cheated on, grifted, beaten, and damaged in the soul.

    Cheating the welfare system and exploitative seduction may not be as damaging per episode as a Bataclan nightclub attack or Cologne mass molestation, but, multiplied by number of episodes, are more corrupting.

    • Agree: bomag
  99. @anonymous
    This actually doesn't worry me too much. If Jews aren't on side, nothing will come of it, they're the ones with the power to make things happen.

    If some branch of leftism isn't to the Jews liking, it'll eventually wither away -- especially if it's against gentile whites/asians too.

    The craziness on campus is not really a product of blacks/latins/muslims. The power these groups enjoy is largely borrowed from the Jewish community. These NAM radicals would never've gotten within a thousand yards of a real university if Jews weren't agitating on their behalf.

    It's a very strange dynamic.

    The power these groups enjoy is largely borrowed from the Jewish community.

    The river might be slow and meandering, but it is still flowing down to the sea.

    More mosques than temples are being built; Jews are being chased out of Europe. Their message and code might be clunky, but it moves.

  100. @nj
    If you want to talk about cognitive dissonance among the altright how about that Muslim honor killings actually fall into the brutal but effective category when you think about it, would white women still sleep around with nonwhites if white men carried out honor killings against white female race mixers or carried out acid attacks against them or against sexually promiscuous women?

    honor killings actually fall into the brutal but effective category

    The altright has always been on board with firm discipline; I don’t see the cognitive dissonance here.

    The natural wages of diversity and promiscuity are apparent and brutal enough. “If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.”

  101. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "Why Do Poles Not Understand That European Values Require Europhobia?"

    Actually, what you suggest is the polar opposite of European values. If you look at most societies in the World, they are closed, ehtnocentric, socially conservative, intolerant, anti-individualistic, etc.

    What separates Europe from the rest of the World, historially, the European values you talk about, are the opposite of that: tolerance, secularism, rationalism, and above all *individualism and a rejection of ethnocentrism, nationalism and religion as the base of Society*.

    You want to make Europe just like everybody else, making Europe lose exactly what made her special. What made Europe progress far more in the past 600 years and leave all those other parts of Earth behind was exactly that Europeans adopted individualism and individual rights as the moral pilars of their societies.

    White nationalists are constantly complaining:

    "Black people are allowed to celebrate their race and culture, as well as Asians and Arabs. Only us white people are called racist if we do that."

    Even though they are right about the leftist bias against white people, they miss the bigger picture that not celebrating race is *exactly what makes white European peoples special*". It is respect for the individual, and social tolerance, that explains why Europe became the bedrock of civilization. That is what allowed Europe to progress culturally and scientifically to the point where it became the essence of what we call civilization. Even the U.S.A is an off shoot of Europe and it's values.

    Europe should not respond to the terrorist threat like barbaric societies would, by excluding and genociding entire alien ethnic groups. This is *not* an European way of doing things. Europe should fight the threat of jihadists following the tradition of individualism and rationalism: treat everyone as an individual. Muslims who committ crimes will be prosecuted and severely punished. Those who are good people, will be treated like good people.

    What made Europe progress far more in the past 600 years and leave all those other parts of Earth behind was exactly that Europeans adopted individualism and individual rights as the moral pilars of their societies.

    That was not the reason. You know nothing.

  102. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    One of the first things Obama did when he took office was ease the restrictions for HIV-positive individuals entering the US.

    Priorities.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/us/politics/31travel.html

    Porter, at the Kakistocracy blog, had a post on this, complete with useful links.

    https://kakistocracyblog.wordpress.com/2016/02/28/its-not-the-thought-that-counts/

    It’s not just HIV.

    Now, said the Center, the list of inadmissible communicable diseases only includes syphilis, gonorrhea, tuberculosis, and leprosy.

  103. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "Why Do Poles Not Understand That European Values Require Europhobia?"

    Actually, what you suggest is the polar opposite of European values. If you look at most societies in the World, they are closed, ehtnocentric, socially conservative, intolerant, anti-individualistic, etc.

    What separates Europe from the rest of the World, historially, the European values you talk about, are the opposite of that: tolerance, secularism, rationalism, and above all *individualism and a rejection of ethnocentrism, nationalism and religion as the base of Society*.

    You want to make Europe just like everybody else, making Europe lose exactly what made her special. What made Europe progress far more in the past 600 years and leave all those other parts of Earth behind was exactly that Europeans adopted individualism and individual rights as the moral pilars of their societies.

    White nationalists are constantly complaining:

    "Black people are allowed to celebrate their race and culture, as well as Asians and Arabs. Only us white people are called racist if we do that."

    Even though they are right about the leftist bias against white people, they miss the bigger picture that not celebrating race is *exactly what makes white European peoples special*". It is respect for the individual, and social tolerance, that explains why Europe became the bedrock of civilization. That is what allowed Europe to progress culturally and scientifically to the point where it became the essence of what we call civilization. Even the U.S.A is an off shoot of Europe and it's values.

    Europe should not respond to the terrorist threat like barbaric societies would, by excluding and genociding entire alien ethnic groups. This is *not* an European way of doing things. Europe should fight the threat of jihadists following the tradition of individualism and rationalism: treat everyone as an individual. Muslims who committ crimes will be prosecuted and severely punished. Those who are good people, will be treated like good people.

    Maybe, if Europe survives, our descendants will be able to do what we couldn’t – enjoy peace, tolerance and freedom without consigning our history, heroes and solidarity to the wastebin. And without the inevitable extinction that comes from sub-replacement fertility rates. Wisdom and freedom combined, what would that be like? But, for them to do that, we have to survive. If it means throwing down the gauntlet and smacking some people around (including some of ours) to put the fear of YT in them, then so be it. It might even be good for the outlanders to have to live with the mess they create, for a change.

  104. From the Collected Speeches of Distinguished Professor Barry Soetoro, BSA (Bull Shit Artist) :

    I have often been asked if I had any regrets on the morning of Nov. 5, 2008, the day after I was elected President of the Youf Knighted States of Amerika.

    Well, I first thought of Simon Mol, fighter for racial justice in Poland. You know he died of AIDS in October of 2008. If this Great Man of Color had managed to live until January, 2009, I would have found out where the CIA laboratory was located that invented the AIDS virus and would have made them give Mr. Mol the antidote which they kept for themselves in case of accidents. But some things just are not meant to be . . .

    (For the next 35 minutes Professor Soetoro goes on and on, telling Polish jokes and talking about the Black popes of the 13th Century who tried to sabotage, in sneaky ways, the many White crusades against innocent Muslims, and about how Josh Gibson was barred from MLB because he made White people look real bad, while Babe Ruth, a mulatto, had successfully fooled White people into believing he was a full German, and who was the first supposedly White baseball player to take steroids, which were, by the way, invented by J. Edgar Hoover, a racist cross-dresser and secret member of the KKK).

  105. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "Why Do Poles Not Understand That European Values Require Europhobia?"

    Actually, what you suggest is the polar opposite of European values. If you look at most societies in the World, they are closed, ehtnocentric, socially conservative, intolerant, anti-individualistic, etc.

    What separates Europe from the rest of the World, historially, the European values you talk about, are the opposite of that: tolerance, secularism, rationalism, and above all *individualism and a rejection of ethnocentrism, nationalism and religion as the base of Society*.

    You want to make Europe just like everybody else, making Europe lose exactly what made her special. What made Europe progress far more in the past 600 years and leave all those other parts of Earth behind was exactly that Europeans adopted individualism and individual rights as the moral pilars of their societies.

    White nationalists are constantly complaining:

    "Black people are allowed to celebrate their race and culture, as well as Asians and Arabs. Only us white people are called racist if we do that."

    Even though they are right about the leftist bias against white people, they miss the bigger picture that not celebrating race is *exactly what makes white European peoples special*". It is respect for the individual, and social tolerance, that explains why Europe became the bedrock of civilization. That is what allowed Europe to progress culturally and scientifically to the point where it became the essence of what we call civilization. Even the U.S.A is an off shoot of Europe and it's values.

    Europe should not respond to the terrorist threat like barbaric societies would, by excluding and genociding entire alien ethnic groups. This is *not* an European way of doing things. Europe should fight the threat of jihadists following the tradition of individualism and rationalism: treat everyone as an individual. Muslims who committ crimes will be prosecuted and severely punished. Those who are good people, will be treated like good people.

    My God we are graced again with the unique genius of Nick Diaz.

    • Replies: @anonymous

    My God we are graced again with the unique genius of Nick Diaz.

     

    The gay gasbag lectures Europeans on what being European is supposed to be and tells us Americans what we're supposed to be all about. Just a petulant, screechy, finger-wagging annoyance who pops up occasionally.
  106. @Romanian
    Too many, regardless of the number.

    Just one freak like this handed out more death sentences than all but a few of the terrorist attacks in the West recently.

    I wonder why ISIS never thought of this. They probably see a longer term use in the women.

    “Too many[African refugees], regardless of the number.

    Just one freak like this handed out more death sentences than all but a few of the terrorist attacks in the West recently.”

    Exactly. Even at this late stage, far too many whites think about refugees in terms of degree, not type. E.g., “If we only allow X number of refugees in, it won’t have much negative effect on our society because that’s such a small number.”

    Wrong. Even if these refugees are free of disease, they still bring their social dysfunction with them

    How many is too many? Any is too many.

  107. @Mr. Anon
    Maybe the problem is that you are defining people who are opposed to miscegenation as "cuckolds". Evidently you don't know what the word means.

    That’s clearly not what I’m saying, work on your reading comprehension.

    It’s not “white women with black men is a sign of how far western civilization is falling” type comments I’m talking about. I.e. Miscegenation destroys decent homogeneous nations, which I agree with.

    My point is that here at isteve (and from what I can tell far more common here than the rest of the alt right) is a type of commenter who says things, to paraphrase, are along the lines of “white men cannot hope to compete with more masculine black men. They will take and impregnate all the white women and the race will be doom to extinction.” I just wondered why, if there are actually people who believe this stuff or if isteve for some reason truly attracts the concern troll/wearedoomed crowd, and why they are here instead of other alt right comment threads

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    That nonsense is mostly just Whiskey's goofy pathology. I cannot think of others among us who spout such nonsense. Any white man worth his salt is more than a match – physically, mentally, and otherwise – for any black man. Historical, empirical facts bear this out. The Battle of Rourke's Drift was not a fluke; the Battle of Isandlwana was.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "That’s clearly not what I’m saying, work on your reading comprehension."

    No, it wasn't clear. Work on your writing clarity.

    My point is that here at isteve (and from what I can tell far more common here than the rest of the alt right) is a type of commenter who says things, to paraphrase, are along the lines of “white men cannot hope to compete with more masculine black men. They will take and impregnate all the white women and the race will be doom to extinction.”

    You talking about two or three posters: Whiskey, Andrea Ostrov (or whatever her/his name is) - maybe one other.
  108. @German_reader
    Old news...I read about that Mol guy years ago. Would be interested to hear about what's going on in Poland right now...apparently there was an incident over New Year in which a Pole was stabbed to death by some North Africans; coupled with the murder of the Polish truck driver during the Berlin terror attack this probably hasn't exactly improved the image of immigrants from the Maghreb in Poland. On the other hand, the Catholic church seems to be agitating for mass immigration even in Poland, and I wonder what effect that will have in a country where Catholicism is interwoven with national identity. Would be interested to read from Polish readers about this.

    I admit this is irritating.

    But Catholic Church in Poland works something like this: people who go to the Church listen what the priest has to say, and then go home for the rest of the week and do their own thing . Their own thing is generally based on culture, which is rather conservative and religious, so there are not many conflicts. But if the Church says something that people don’t agree with, this will be politely ignored. So the Church generally don’t do that.

    The “refugee crisis” is the case where Church message is ignored. There is shrug: “Well this is their job, after all. To be charitable.” and everybody goes back to be against migrants.

    Besides I don’t see much enthusiasm among regular priests for the “migrant” cause. Some bishops are calling from time to time for more help, for places for “Syrians” in parish homes, etc. They have to repeat the calling because there is not much positive response.

    Most of the Catholic charity organisations I’have heard about send their money and food to the camps in the Middle East and Christian families in Syria and Libanon.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    Thanks for your reply; let's hope it stays that way.
  109. @correctionsofficer
    What is up with the Stevo-o-Sphere that attracts interracial cuckolds in the comments section??? Some of course are probably trolls, but others appear to actually be interracial cuckolds with a sexual interest for it. Or, even if they don't necessarily have a pornographic interest in it they can't help themselves but frame every racial problem in the United States in the form of black men getting sexual access to white women.

    Just curious, as it is no where nearly as present around other Alt-Right websites. (I follow most of them.)

    I guess it kind of coincides with Steve's site attracting the "WE ARE DOOMED," crowd and/or concern trolls as well.

    I think you lack text interpretation skills… This is not what the guy said.

    Anyway, black men having access to white women is indeed a problem, especially if they give birth.

    I’ve never been to Poland, but I saw in Germany many young white women in a night club “dancing” (grinding) with blacks. There is in the country a strange obsession with all things afro-american (music, clothes, dreadlocks, etc).

    I guess that young women value most of all extroversion, unwarranted self-confidence, and lies, and blacks offer that in spades (no pun intended). For some strange reason, many women associate that with virility.

    When women are in their thirties they are wiser, unfortunately by that time they also lost most of their beauty and fertility.

    However, I did not see too many interracial couples in the streets in Germany. Well, at least not as many as I saw in Canada, there I would see 2 or 3 mixed couples everyday, just walking down the streets. Almost always black men with white women, and white men with asian women.

    The future will be interesting, won’t it.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    Also, I forgot to add, young women also value status, and as (I think) Mencius Moldbug observed, blacks are now a kind of aristocracy (different blood lineage, cannot be criticized ("racism!"), celebrated by media, many don't need to work (welfare, or non-work such as drug dealing, pimping or being DJs, etc). Well, I'm not so sure about this theory, but it could help explain too. LOL.
    , @Desiderius

    I guess that young women value most of all extroversion, unwarranted self-confidence, and lies, and blacks offer that in spades (no pun intended). For some strange reason, many women associate that with virility.
     
    Blacks are more virile. The question is whether women seek maximum virility or look to meet a certain standard after which other criteria take precedence. My sense is that it is more the latter while the handwringers assume the former.

    About unwarranted self-confidence. People, men and women, are looking for faithfulness in a potential marriage partner. Fides is the Latin for faith, i.e. Semper Fidelis, fidelity, confidence. Self-confident men at least have faith in themselves, those lacking can't even manage that.
  110. @Lot

    Slovaks and Poles OTOH seem to get on very well.
     
    The border is long and the languages are mutually intelligible, though Slovak is even closer to Czech than Polish.

    An there are mountains between both countries. Good fences make good neighbours.

    However to be honest I do covet Slovakian part of the fence. Their part of the Tatra mountains is bigger and prettier.

  111. @nj
    If you want to talk about cognitive dissonance among the altright how about that Muslim honor killings actually fall into the brutal but effective category when you think about it, would white women still sleep around with nonwhites if white men carried out honor killings against white female race mixers or carried out acid attacks against them or against sexually promiscuous women?

    “…would white women still sleep around with nonwhites if white men carried out honor killings against white female race mixers or carried out acid attacks against them or against sexually promiscuous women?”

    I doubt going to that extreme would be necessary. Shaming and shunning such women–and their families–would probably be a sufficient deterrent.

    And of course, tightening up access to social services would help. If an unmarried mother of any race knew she couldn’t get any welfare for herself or her spawn unless she could show that the fathers were already paying child support, I bet the overall illegitimacy rate would decline.

    • Replies: @whorefinder

    I doubt going to that extreme would be necessary. Shaming and shunning such women–and their families–would probably be a sufficient deterrent.
     
    Movies and TV shows like to downplay and make fun of the effects of shaming/shunning, and like to claim that just "being strong" and "being confident" remove them. In reality, however, shaming/shunning are incredibly powerful, especially on women, whose natural insecurity and tremendous desire for group approval far out paces men.

    Even today, a man voicing strong disapproval of a woman's actions can make her break down in tears, no matter how much others are telling her what she did was ok. Years ago, I was once drunk at a bar in a major lefty city and two white women were showing me pictures of one of their children---who was black. I ripped into it and started making comments like "Is the father still around?" and "Wow, you went that far in the gutter?" The woman's eyes welled up with tears, and at first, protested angrily, but then just hung her head in shame and ran out.
    , @Thea
    I'm afraid many Americans now have no sense of shame. Castrating little boys is now considered brave.

    As much as I support slut shaming, I don't see it happening.
  112. @Anon 2
    Poland is obviously not perfect but it has surprisingly
    low indices of social dysfunction. For example, the
    HIV rate (2011) was as low as 0.1% in Poland (and
    Germany) in contrast to 1.1% in Russia and 0.6% in
    the U.S. The divorce rate is 27% in Poland, compared
    to 51% in Russia, and 49% in Germany. Homicide and
    abortion rates are extremely low. As they used to say
    about Chicago, it's a country that works. Right now Poland
    is hoping to increase its GDP (PPP) per capita from about
    $29,000 to $35,000.

    Affluence begets decadence, and it seems like once a country
    exceeds roughly $35,000 per capita, decadence and hedonism
    kick in and rates of social dysfunction begin to skyrocket, as they
    did in the U.S. a long time ago. Poland is not there yet, personal
    sacrifice is in fact seen as salvific in the sense that in Catholic
    theology suffering has meaning - it contributes to one's salvation.
    Even though Poland became an almost entirely Protestant country
    in the late 1500s, it reconverted, and "sola fide" is really not part of the
    culture. There is none of the "do what you will as long as you believe"
    mindset that guided Bill Clinton after he became a born-again Christian.
    Hedonism on the American scale is unlikely to take root in Poland in the
    near future. Suffering, sacrifice, and celibacy are still respected. For example,
    Poland still produces thousands of Christian missionaries, mostly priests and nuns,
    who go to places that are typically underserved in Africa or Asia, and bring the message
    of the Gospel to those who suffer

    Agree with the first paragraph. But:

    Affluence begets decadence, and it seems like once a country
    exceeds roughly $35,000 per capita, decadence and hedonism
    kick in and rates of social dysfunction begin to skyrocket

    As Charles Murray showed, wealthy American have, in general, low levels of social dysfunction. They have low divorce rates, crime rates, etc. The problem is not in wealth but in culture.

    Poland has a few things going for it:

    1. As others have pointed out, Poles ave no post-colonial guilt. Their ancestors never invaded or oppressed Muslims or Africans. Poles don’t feel the need to atone for past crimes.

    2. Related to above – Poles, unlike Swedes, have a strong victim-complex. Millions of them were murdered by Nazis and Communists. A German, whose ancestors slaughtered Poles, or a Frenchman or Englishman, whose ancestors looked the other way as Poland was brutalized by Germany and the USSR, will never be able to lecture Poles about human rights and morality. This goes 10x for Western leftists with a soft spot for Communism.

    3. A positive side effect of Communism was that it kept Poles separated from the West at a time when Western cultural leftism was new and cool (60s and 70s). They encountered it at a when the novelty had worn off and the disadvantages had begun to appear.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    Yes, upper-middle class is protected from decadence
    (I'm not so sure about the upper class, they can indulge
    their base appetites with complete impunity. What's
    more, nobody will know about it. E.g., rumors about
    Bill Clinton and the "Lolita Express," Trump's wanton
    promiscuity in his younger days). What I meant when
    I said that "affluence begets decadence" is 'in the society
    as a whole' because, after all, the upper and UMC are only
    a fraction of the population. The working class can quickly
    succumb to decadence in an affluent society, particularly
    when combined with unemployment and underemployment
    while on welfare or disability, as we see happening in the
    U.S. In general, I'm wary of excessive materialism. A very high
    GDP per capita is a mixed blessing

    Re: Slovaks vs Czechs. Slovak is a bit closer to Polish than
    Czech plus more Slovaks are practicing Catholics. I know
    some Slovaks who came to Poland to study theology, e.g.,
    at KUL. (Catholic University in Lublin) or in Warsaw.
    However, there is no mutual dislike between the Czechs and
    the Polish. Czechs feel perfectly comfortable in Poland,
    and vice versa. E.g., Ewa Farna, the Polish-Czech singer who
    is ethnically Polish but born in Czechia, has had a successful
    career singing in Czech or Polish in either country.
  113. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "Why Do Poles Not Understand That European Values Require Europhobia?"

    Actually, what you suggest is the polar opposite of European values. If you look at most societies in the World, they are closed, ehtnocentric, socially conservative, intolerant, anti-individualistic, etc.

    What separates Europe from the rest of the World, historially, the European values you talk about, are the opposite of that: tolerance, secularism, rationalism, and above all *individualism and a rejection of ethnocentrism, nationalism and religion as the base of Society*.

    You want to make Europe just like everybody else, making Europe lose exactly what made her special. What made Europe progress far more in the past 600 years and leave all those other parts of Earth behind was exactly that Europeans adopted individualism and individual rights as the moral pilars of their societies.

    White nationalists are constantly complaining:

    "Black people are allowed to celebrate their race and culture, as well as Asians and Arabs. Only us white people are called racist if we do that."

    Even though they are right about the leftist bias against white people, they miss the bigger picture that not celebrating race is *exactly what makes white European peoples special*". It is respect for the individual, and social tolerance, that explains why Europe became the bedrock of civilization. That is what allowed Europe to progress culturally and scientifically to the point where it became the essence of what we call civilization. Even the U.S.A is an off shoot of Europe and it's values.

    Europe should not respond to the terrorist threat like barbaric societies would, by excluding and genociding entire alien ethnic groups. This is *not* an European way of doing things. Europe should fight the threat of jihadists following the tradition of individualism and rationalism: treat everyone as an individual. Muslims who committ crimes will be prosecuted and severely punished. Those who are good people, will be treated like good people.

    No.

  114. @Lurker
    Anecdotally I hear there is some kind of beef between Czechs and Poles while Slovaks and Poles OTOH seem to get on very well.

    There have been a few Slovakian girls where I work, very pretty and sweet natured, always a pleasure to be around. In other words very much like the Polish girls.

    Anecdotally I hear there is some kind of beef between Czechs and Poles while Slovaks and Poles OTOH seem to get on very well.

    Poles don’t hate Czechs but look down on their country as “wimpy.” Czechs refused to fight the Germans (despite having a good and well-equipped army), unlike Poles who fought to the bitter end, and were quick to succumb to Communism with minimal struggle, and then to the liberal West with minimal struggle. Whichever way the wind blows, Czechs will conform – according tot he Polish stereotype. I imagine from the Czech perspective Poles are foolhardy and too full of pride – Warsaw was destroyed, while Prague remained intact and beautiful.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Having spent much of their history as junior partners in other peoples' empires (Romans, Goths, Moravians, Hapsburgs, Soviets), the Czechs have a long history of going along to get along, as the Poles have noticed. Still, there was a flowering of Czech innovation and puissance in the late middle ages when Jan Hus was martyred by the Catholic Church for not believing the right stuff and in reaction a Czech Hussite army mustered and roamed undefeated around central Europe. This armed independence eventually succumbed to Hapsburgian marriage jujitsu, in which subordinate state the Czech nation largely remained since, with a permanent skepticism of organized religion.

    To be fair, political acquiescence with private demurral hasn't served the Czechs too badly in the last century. Despite being in central Europe, the country and capital was relatively unravished by the World Wars that devastated everywhere surrounding. Their Communist experience was mild compared to their neighbors.

    On the other hand, what have the Czechs accomplished lately? They're now mainly known for atheism and pornography actresses, so not much to be proud of really.

    If you have to share a foxhole, prefer a Pole.

  115. @Dumbo
    I think you lack text interpretation skills... This is not what the guy said.

    Anyway, black men having access to white women is indeed a problem, especially if they give birth.

    I've never been to Poland, but I saw in Germany many young white women in a night club "dancing" (grinding) with blacks. There is in the country a strange obsession with all things afro-american (music, clothes, dreadlocks, etc).

    I guess that young women value most of all extroversion, unwarranted self-confidence, and lies, and blacks offer that in spades (no pun intended). For some strange reason, many women associate that with virility.

    When women are in their thirties they are wiser, unfortunately by that time they also lost most of their beauty and fertility.

    However, I did not see too many interracial couples in the streets in Germany. Well, at least not as many as I saw in Canada, there I would see 2 or 3 mixed couples everyday, just walking down the streets. Almost always black men with white women, and white men with asian women.

    The future will be interesting, won't it.

    Also, I forgot to add, young women also value status, and as (I think) Mencius Moldbug observed, blacks are now a kind of aristocracy (different blood lineage, cannot be criticized (“racism!”), celebrated by media, many don’t need to work (welfare, or non-work such as drug dealing, pimping or being DJs, etc). Well, I’m not so sure about this theory, but it could help explain too. LOL.

  116. @Lurker
    Anecdotally I hear there is some kind of beef between Czechs and Poles while Slovaks and Poles OTOH seem to get on very well.

    There have been a few Slovakian girls where I work, very pretty and sweet natured, always a pleasure to be around. In other words very much like the Polish girls.

    Anecdotally I hear there is some kind of beef between Czechs and Poles while Slovaks and Poles OTOH seem to get on very well.

    The Poles grabbed a part of Czech Silesia in 1938 when the Germans took over Bohemia and Moravia. Czechs haven’t forgotten that. Also Polish tanks rolled into Czechoslovakia in 1968 along with the rest of the Warsaw pact.

    Many Poles think Czechs are atheistic cowards who didn’t fight the Nazis and voted for Communism in 1949.

    There are probably even more historical issues between Bohemia (Czech) and Silesia (Poland) in particular that I am ignoring, but in my experience Czechs and Poles distrust each other in a way that Slovaks and Poles don’t.

    • Replies: @utu
    Something about Czechs: In 1938 they pledged loyalty to Hitler. Czechs did not fire a single shot against Germans during WWII. German soldiers during WWII often were sent on furloughs to Bohemia because it was the safest place. No bombs falling on the cities like in Germany and no partisan shooting at German soldiers like in Poland. But when Germany lost in 1945 they started murdering civilian Germans.

    Most of the footage in this BBC film is about reprisals against Germans in Czechoslovakia after WWII:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8kh_X-7ojY&t=7s
  117. There were several Africans in my Swedish-for-Immigrants class. A guy from Nigeria, a black Moroccan, and some other troublemaker.

    While the languid Arabs kept their religion low-key, the troublemaker made a big deal about being a Christian. He homed in on me because he assumed I had money. One day he placed some paperwork in front of me and told me he needed US$1000 to pay his university fees. He chose the wrong guy. Eventually he went to the local church and shook down the old Swedes. He was doing a PhD program. No doubt he’ll pay them back one day.

    I was the only white guy in a class of 20. The Polish girls and Chinese girls would sit next me most days. The Nigerian guy would arrive late wearing a beret, tweed and headphones. The female teacher would flip out at his tardiness. He was married to a Swedish teacher at another school. Sweden ‘sucked’ so he planned to move to America. Good luck!

  118. My Swedish friend always talks about the Hanseatic League as his vision for the EU (basically the North Sea & Baltic states) whereas of course the initial vision for Europe was sort of Lotharingia.

    The EU is a victim of its own success; North-Western Europe is a fairly cohesive entity (I would include northern regions of Italy & Spain in that too)..

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    If you call the current euro currency disaster and the Schengen area 'success' I hate to think what you would describe as failure.
  119. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "Why Do Poles Not Understand That European Values Require Europhobia?"

    Actually, what you suggest is the polar opposite of European values. If you look at most societies in the World, they are closed, ehtnocentric, socially conservative, intolerant, anti-individualistic, etc.

    What separates Europe from the rest of the World, historially, the European values you talk about, are the opposite of that: tolerance, secularism, rationalism, and above all *individualism and a rejection of ethnocentrism, nationalism and religion as the base of Society*.

    You want to make Europe just like everybody else, making Europe lose exactly what made her special. What made Europe progress far more in the past 600 years and leave all those other parts of Earth behind was exactly that Europeans adopted individualism and individual rights as the moral pilars of their societies.

    White nationalists are constantly complaining:

    "Black people are allowed to celebrate their race and culture, as well as Asians and Arabs. Only us white people are called racist if we do that."

    Even though they are right about the leftist bias against white people, they miss the bigger picture that not celebrating race is *exactly what makes white European peoples special*". It is respect for the individual, and social tolerance, that explains why Europe became the bedrock of civilization. That is what allowed Europe to progress culturally and scientifically to the point where it became the essence of what we call civilization. Even the U.S.A is an off shoot of Europe and it's values.

    Europe should not respond to the terrorist threat like barbaric societies would, by excluding and genociding entire alien ethnic groups. This is *not* an European way of doing things. Europe should fight the threat of jihadists following the tradition of individualism and rationalism: treat everyone as an individual. Muslims who committ crimes will be prosecuted and severely punished. Those who are good people, will be treated like good people.

    Japan is more advanced than Poland and several other European countries. So why does Europe have to adhere to the standards you mention, while Japan doesn’t?

  120. @Anon
    One thing that is sure about this story... white women are addicked to Afro-dong.

    Feminism is turning into a matter of Speaking-in-Dongs.

    Feminism is turning into a matter of Speaking-in-Dongs.

    Poland is one of the most Catholic European nations but still has a miserable birthrate. Korea’s birthrate is lower than Japan’s.
    https://binged.it/2hW59th ____ Poland Ukraine Germany birthrates comparison chart
    2014 birthrates
    Poland 9.9
    Germany 8.6
    Ukraine 10.8

  121. The Simon Mol story is recounted as though it were a tragedy.

    The tragic part is that a near-century of Red propaganda had softened even the most resistant European brains into letting such people in to run amok. But while it is somewhat sad that Mol’s victims have joined the ranks of the dead and dying prematurely, it’s also true that most if not all of his victims felt a comforting endorphin-rush of enlightened superiority of being a twinkling NotARaciss star in a hateful, backward, white-raciss skyline.

    The tragedy is every schoolchild since, who have been deliberate victims of every far-left ideologue in a position of power – or worse, public trust – who, shuddering at the potential propaganda dimensions of stories like Simon Mol’s, determined to redouble the ideological vise-grip on the white children in their care. Children who will not simply never be told the Simon Mol story, but will face onerous penalties (social and cultural, and now-or-soon, possibly criminal) for learning it independently or, worse yet, disseminating it to others.

    But Mol’s victims’ only remaining value is as public-health martyrs, not as individual tragedies. If children who willfully choose to play with matches don’t get horribly burned periodically, many many more people would die in fires than presently do.

  122. @Ivy
    Europeans may recall Talleyrand's quote about how Europe begins at the Pyrenees. Don't recall if he had any eastern boundary in mind, but might have excluded the Visegrád Group (Poland, Czechia, Hungary and Slovakia), for example, even though the Hapsburg influence was in force and there was a lot of culture there.

    How small would Europe become with an EU breakup, especially after Brexit and with a potential Frexit or Italeave? Which Europeans will decide to conserve their history and values, and to reject the Mols of the world and their fellow travelers?

    Europeans may recall Talleyrand’s quote about how Europe begins at the Pyrenees.

    Also Edmund Burke’s quote about Spain: “a whale stranded on the coast of Europe”.

  123. @Whiskey
    The reason for mass Third World Immigration is pretty self-evident right in this story. I'm sure that Poland has millions of nerdy young men who will go one year to the next never even touching a woman. While what amounts to a low IQ Nigerian-type scammer mostly interested in fame and sex had what amounts to thousands of women.

    Occam's Butterknife says that White women are NOT attracted to Black men, but rather only Jewish mindrays or the Ghost of Moses are making them sleep with Black men against their will just like the issue of Justice League where Superman and the Flash were mind-controlled by Starro. Or whatever.

    Occam's Razor says that Satoshi Kanazawa was right -- the flip side of Black women being of no real interest to any man with options, even or particularly Black men, is that Black men are of intense sexual market interest of women of all races, particularly and especially White women.

    Black men are known for having low IQs, low time preference (if it is not in the next fifteen seconds the average Black man is not interested -- for the average African its more like five seconds). Being aggressive, often stupidly violent with easily foreseen consequences is another common trait of Black men. Women and particularly White women despise intelligence in men the way men prize it in women.

    This is race realism. The fatal flaw of WN is their pedestalization of White women -- who as a group are in favor of replacing their men with lower IQ, violent, dominant men who can only produce goat-herding societies at best but are not afflicted with nerdy focus on science and engineering.

    This is not the Joooozzzzz! (What was the question?) America has had lots of influential Jews since Judah P. Benjamin. England since Disraeli. Mass Third World immigration is very bad for Jews -- Scandinavia will soon be entirely free from Jews as France is rapidly becoming as Muslims dominate. Look at the Democratic Party -- the past is Barbara Boxer (replaced by a Black woman), Diane Feinstein, and Chuck Schumer. The future is anti-Israel Barack Obama who failed to veto that UN resolution and is credibly rumored to be demanding at the UN Israel retreat to 1967 borders or face boycotts and even military action. When Hollywood ruled the media environment, when only the movies mattered, there was no TV, radio was three networks, and Jews OWNED every entertainment outlet the nationalism was as patriotic as Yankee Doodle Dandy with Jimmy Cagney literally waving the flag.

    When White men in a fit of brotherly concern made women their full equals they reaped not grateful responses but fury from White women angry that they now had almost no men suitable. No woman wants a man her equal; and having most White men be their equal they turned to the crack cocaine or more likely bath salts of female sex: Black and Muslim men.

    Women **WANT** violent dominance in men like a marathon of Breaking Bad followed by the Blacklist. IF White men were as violent and dangerous as they were dufing the heyday of the Klan in the 1860s, White women would not go for the bath salts of sex. But peace creates its war.

    Mass Third World immigration is very bad for Jews

    Erm…I guess that’s why they work without rest to flood Euro-ethnic countries — but not Israel — with mass 3rd world hordes?

    • Replies: @biz
    Could you give an example of a Jewish person who is working to flood Europe but not Israel?
  124. @nj
    If you want to talk about cognitive dissonance among the altright how about that Muslim honor killings actually fall into the brutal but effective category when you think about it, would white women still sleep around with nonwhites if white men carried out honor killings against white female race mixers or carried out acid attacks against them or against sexually promiscuous women?

    One of white and yellow people’s best defenses against cuckholding by darker races/ethnicities (beyond geography) was the fact that a white baby mixed with a darker race looks very different than a white baby, and a yellow baby mixed with a darker race looks very different from a yellow baby.

    This insured that cuckholded men of the white/yellow races could swiftly detect a cuckholding by a darker raced man once the baby was born, and the white/yellow societies felt no shame in cutting the woman off from him and his support. Meanwhile, the white/yellow man could sleep with a darker raced woman and her child would not show obvious white/yellow signs of the father, unless the child already had such white/yellow blood in them and the genes produced a much-lighter child.

    Many women in highly nationalistic societies understand that going outside the local national groups means a shunning they cannot bear. Japanese women who sleep with blacks (servicemen, “rappers”, and wrestlers/basketball players) account for one of the highest abortion-seeking groups of women in Japan.

  125. @Glossy
    By the way, the HIV transmission rate in cases of receptive vaginal intercourse is estimated at 0.05% to 0.3%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS#Sexual

    So to infect dozens of women one has to copulate with thousands. I'm assuming here that most of these encounters were one-night stands.

    There must be kids, lots of them.

    You’re assuming the intercourse was vaginal. Also, he appears not to have sought treatment. What’s the transmission rate for an untreated partner?

  126. Why is my comment still awaiting moderation while others much less tame have been published? Hmpf.

    • Replies: @Jasper Been
    The comment approval / moderation process is an art, not a science.

    Chant a mantra or visit a voodoo practitioner, your luck may change.
  127. @Kylie
    "...would white women still sleep around with nonwhites if white men carried out honor killings against white female race mixers or carried out acid attacks against them or against sexually promiscuous women?"

    I doubt going to that extreme would be necessary. Shaming and shunning such women--and their families--would probably be a sufficient deterrent.

    And of course, tightening up access to social services would help. If an unmarried mother of any race knew she couldn't get any welfare for herself or her spawn unless she could show that the fathers were already paying child support, I bet the overall illegitimacy rate would decline.

    I doubt going to that extreme would be necessary. Shaming and shunning such women–and their families–would probably be a sufficient deterrent.

    Movies and TV shows like to downplay and make fun of the effects of shaming/shunning, and like to claim that just “being strong” and “being confident” remove them. In reality, however, shaming/shunning are incredibly powerful, especially on women, whose natural insecurity and tremendous desire for group approval far out paces men.

    Even today, a man voicing strong disapproval of a woman’s actions can make her break down in tears, no matter how much others are telling her what she did was ok. Years ago, I was once drunk at a bar in a major lefty city and two white women were showing me pictures of one of their children—who was black. I ripped into it and started making comments like “Is the father still around?” and “Wow, you went that far in the gutter?” The woman’s eyes welled up with tears, and at first, protested angrily, but then just hung her head in shame and ran out.

    • LOL: BenKenobi
    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    That LOL is also a "Savage!"
  128. @German_reader
    Old news...I read about that Mol guy years ago. Would be interested to hear about what's going on in Poland right now...apparently there was an incident over New Year in which a Pole was stabbed to death by some North Africans; coupled with the murder of the Polish truck driver during the Berlin terror attack this probably hasn't exactly improved the image of immigrants from the Maghreb in Poland. On the other hand, the Catholic church seems to be agitating for mass immigration even in Poland, and I wonder what effect that will have in a country where Catholicism is interwoven with national identity. Would be interested to read from Polish readers about this.

    Liberal Poles are like Liberals everywhere. What sets up Poland for a very bad future is that most Polish conservatives would rather face almost anything that Russian dominance. Not Soviet Marxist dominance, but Russian. Polish conservatives would rather hope the EU gets some common sense than to make a deal with Russia to save European Christian culture at least in Eastern Europe.

    A friend told me how bad that is now in Poland. He is a devout Catholic. but the naive kind who thinks crap like women on EWTN and World Youth Day will help. On the other hand, I say those things breed soft conservatives ready to step to the Left. This guy went to WYD in Krakow. He came back bothered by something: he said that many devoutly Catholic Poles have taken to heart Pope Francis’s call for the West to load up with non-white and Moslem immigrants. My friend said he heard Poles who would be deemed conservative saying that new population influx would help keep the Russians as bay.

    That is the same tack taken by American Neocons: de-Christianze and de-white your nation to have the bodies needed to oppose Russia.

    And to close, I should stress this: Pope Francis is doing almost as much to spread Leftism as George Soros.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    I was talking to a Polish guy recently, he seemed to have some pretty robust views on globalists and bankers. He also admitted that, hard as he found it to say, he was warming to Putin.
    , @Dan Hayes
    jake:

    I disagree. Pope Francis is doing MORE to spread Leftist than George Soros. And incidentally and more important, doing more to harm the Roman Catholic Church than anyone else I can think of!
  129. @Hunsdon
    My God we are graced again with the unique genius of Nick Diaz.

    My God we are graced again with the unique genius of Nick Diaz.

    The gay gasbag lectures Europeans on what being European is supposed to be and tells us Americans what we’re supposed to be all about. Just a petulant, screechy, finger-wagging annoyance who pops up occasionally.

  130. @2Mintzin1
    Well, not so sure. In New York in the 80's, we were told that being critical of centers of AIDS transmission, such as bath houses, or wanting AIDS Typhoid Marys to be reported to health authorities, was anti-homosexual bigotry, and real wrong. Crimethink, also.

    The realpolitik theory about why this was so was that wealthy and thus politically influential gays did not want the liability resulting from their infectious adventures to come back to haunt them. Like lawsuits, you know.


    In New York State, it took a Lothario drug dealer, in some upstate dump of a city, who infected a bunch of young teenage girls, to finally get our clowns in the state legislature to take action and allow reporting of HIV transmission.

    Gays were split into two camps in the 1980s regarding such issues as closing the bath houses. If you read Randy Shilts “And the Band Played on” you can see how bitter the split was.

    But there was definitely a camp of gays that was “pro common sense”. This camp was attacked viciously by the “stupid” side.

    Non gay leftists consistently backed the “stupid” side.

    I got the impression that the “stupid” side was motivated more by the usual leftist lack of logic rather than by practical considerations about liability (although that would have been an issue too),

    (Eventually the bath houses closed because they went broke due of a lack of customers.)

  131. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "Why Do Poles Not Understand That European Values Require Europhobia?"

    Actually, what you suggest is the polar opposite of European values. If you look at most societies in the World, they are closed, ehtnocentric, socially conservative, intolerant, anti-individualistic, etc.

    What separates Europe from the rest of the World, historially, the European values you talk about, are the opposite of that: tolerance, secularism, rationalism, and above all *individualism and a rejection of ethnocentrism, nationalism and religion as the base of Society*.

    You want to make Europe just like everybody else, making Europe lose exactly what made her special. What made Europe progress far more in the past 600 years and leave all those other parts of Earth behind was exactly that Europeans adopted individualism and individual rights as the moral pilars of their societies.

    White nationalists are constantly complaining:

    "Black people are allowed to celebrate their race and culture, as well as Asians and Arabs. Only us white people are called racist if we do that."

    Even though they are right about the leftist bias against white people, they miss the bigger picture that not celebrating race is *exactly what makes white European peoples special*". It is respect for the individual, and social tolerance, that explains why Europe became the bedrock of civilization. That is what allowed Europe to progress culturally and scientifically to the point where it became the essence of what we call civilization. Even the U.S.A is an off shoot of Europe and it's values.

    Europe should not respond to the terrorist threat like barbaric societies would, by excluding and genociding entire alien ethnic groups. This is *not* an European way of doing things. Europe should fight the threat of jihadists following the tradition of individualism and rationalism: treat everyone as an individual. Muslims who committ crimes will be prosecuted and severely punished. Those who are good people, will be treated like good people.

    Europe should fight the threat of jihadists following the tradition of individualism and rationalism: treat everyone as an individual.

    You didn’t build that.

  132. @Romanian
    It's the shamelessness that helps them. That's what most men don't get and can't get past when you see how crummy these Casanovas are. You are basically faking the devil may care attitude of the stereotypical high status man. Combine it with a pushiness to which many women don't have an effective psychological shield, that helps them get a lot of sex with female regrets after. Contrary to the most publicized examples, I think most women, even in the US, are not walking around ready to scream rape and ready to respond to a hard come on with a kick in the crotch. An ambiguous enough delivery will activate their overriding sense of not wanting to look like a fool or be embarassed publicly.

    An ambiguous enough delivery will activate their overriding sense of not wanting to look like a fool or be embarassed publicly.

    Not sure what you meant by this.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    I'm sorry. I may have been too vague or unable to explain myself properly.

    When somebody attacks you or spits on you or insults you terribly, you can either attack him or leave him. You can do the same if someone makes a pass at you that triggers a strong rejection. But, if the "invasion" or crossing of the boundaries is ambiguous enough, then you enter a sort of middle state where you don't know what to do. You definitely sense that something is wrong but acting out as if something really is wrong might make you look like a fool in front of the other person, whom you do not know was actually trying to be "invasive" or in front of third parties. Such awareness is an important part of status games in human societies. Mol was using the threat of humiliation in front of a group with "shared norms" to blackmail peoples into acquiescence with whatever he wanted. So you are stuck there. Most people do not have the mental resources to extricate themselves deftly from such a position. Which leaves you vulnerable to whatever con you are targeted by.

    Sasha Baron Cohen did this in Borat. He was obviously making fun of those people he interviewed, but only from our perspectives as outsiders clued in. Those people would start to realize that something is wrong, but there was a grey area before they cut off the interview where they were uncertain whether to articulate it and act, therefore leaving themselves open to accusations and ridicule from Borat, his producers, their own peers or even themselves if they were neurotic.

    The same with these women. Some of them really wanted to sleep with him, sure. But others were at a crossroads - I want him to put a condom on, I don't really want to sleep with him, I have a boyfriend, Mol is not that attractive etc. He whipped out the race card and left their minds scrambled with indecision which a man will generally use as an opportunity to take the decision from them and let them lie back and think of Jan Sobiesky.

    Does that make it clearer? Aside from my limited intuition regarding the unfathomable sex, I have had a control group of one to run it by and I got an ok for a valid theory, which is as much certainty as one ever has with women.

    Funny anecdote - I experienced the same thing as a shy, bookish 12 year old. Or around that age. I was going with a small group to a summer camp (The Stag it was called), all of them older boys in high school (many stories there). Anyway, we were in the main railway station of Bucharest, coming from our hometown, to get a connection to our destination. A few of the boys put some money together and paid a really ewwww Gypsy woman who was in the station to come make aggressive passes at me while I was being bored on a bench (I don't remember a thing about her, except she wasn't too old, but can't tell if she was a beggar, prostitute, or general transport hub hustler). This was way before we even entered NATO, pre-growth spurt in the economy. Lots more poverty, no gadgets to shut it out. She came, sat down next to me, put her arm around me, started telling me things. I froze completely. Did not know what to do. I wasn't threatened, per se, but I was immensely embarrassed, especially with the group I was travelling with watching and snickering. It lasted until Mademoiselle the French language professor chaperoning us (26 years old) I had instantly crushed on came over, shooed the Gypsy woman away and took me under her wing. Which was even more embarrassing, since she started to check up on me very overtly. She wanted to impress her boss, my head teacher, who had promised my skeptical parents that, even if this was an older group and she wouldn't be the chaperone, everything would be hunky dory and that some time around outgoing kids and fresh mountain air would do me good. Mademoiselle took to scolding the older boys to not leave dirty magazines around the room because I was a kid (she was very liberal with these things), she checked up on me before lights out etc. I was never able to articulate a fuck off to either one of the parties - the Gypsy, the dolts playing tricks on me or the teacher who "emasculated" me. Which left me a passive agent to whatever they wanted to do. In my case, not an initiation into lovemaking by an older woman, but being taken shoe shopping to not leave me out of her sights while the other kids went partying around town on a day trip. The bitter end.

  133. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Perhaps Mr. Correctionsofficer is projecting? I have no obsessive preoccupation about interracial relationships either way positive or negative. Prior to living in Europe, I never dwelled on or much less witnessed any kind of fascination with black men like I saw there. Not even the big black jocks of Division I intercollegiate athletics at the American university where previously studied got that kind of attention like they did in Poland. Sure they're exotic and masculine compared to many northern European twerps. No doubt I was a bit jealous of the easy attention they got, but not too jealous because the kind of girls they attracted were mostly of the "adventuress" sort that weren't really my type.

    The experience wasn't that remarkable, but I bring it up to confirm that some stereotypes are true about women exoticizing black men. We don't have to look at all the European lady sex tourists or Leni Riefenstahl's fascination with African warriors for evidence.

    http://www.dasblauelicht.net/Afric52.jpg

    But all those politically correct notions for so long have been denying this and have repressed acknowledgement of some genuine facts. I appreciate Mr. Sailer and his blog because it's about noticing things we're not supposed to. We can get upset or emotional about it... or once were conscious about the long deception's inconsistency with reality, we can move on and live our lives with the relief that we're not crazy for experiencing the world in a way that all the right-thinking bright minds tell us is just not possible.

    As for being a "cuckold" and selling "precious" white breeding stock off to our black brothers (I'm being silly here.), I hardly knew her. She was a neighbor and I didn't know about her particular preferences until after some of our consultations and meetings to discuss her application. Even had I known, I doubt I would have cared either way. I just found it noteworthy because I'd never heard anything so frank an admission like it before. I'm sure there are plenty of American university girls I knew, who might have had similar preferences, but it wasn't common for them to tell some boy they hardly knew about these.

    or once were conscious about the long deception’s inconsistency with reality,

    Interesting comments. How do you define “the long deception”?

    • Replies: @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    For me, the long deception equals all the politically correct dogmas that I've been told since youth that don't seem to match with what I observe in reality. The awakening I think is what Mr. Sailer calls "noticing." It's not that I resent the reality... no that's fair... we're all animals with instincts, hearts and minds. What I resent is the deception that tells us to believe that the reality is different from what it is to create misconceptions that better conform to political notions of how we SHOULD be. It's a positive / normative dichotomy. I don't resent white women or black men for behaving differently. Once we are conscious of the differences, we can better understand our own motivations and behaviors as well as those of others which help us to negotiate our communities much better with less misunderstanding and disappointment.

    We ARE different; men, women, blacks & whites. But the progressives seem to misconstrue this acceptance of differences as somehow denigrating people of these different categories. No matter our differences, we all have dignity and gifts with which we can contribute to creation. I do however tire of some of the responses I see to observations that certain races have statistically lesser intellectual gifts than others, that this might imply these groups may be somehow less worthy. Be that as it may, I know folks to the right of me on the Bell Curve and I do hope they can still respect my human dignity and welcome my contributions to civilization, no matter how modest they are, as much as I respect and welcome those to my left. Indeed those that deny any differences and falsely claim "we're all the same" actually do harm to the very groups they're trying to help. Instead of honoring everybody's gifts and contributions as they are, they dwell on performance deficits for how some groups might not be measuring up to others. Finally as challenging as our intrinsic differences make social cohesion and trust, the biggest problem is without a doubt the work of demagogues who wish to gain power by sowing division and stoking resentments. It's not that the blood is defective, a toxic culture has just poisoned it with fear, resentment, entitlement and hate.
  134. @415 reasons
    This story really begs the question of why so many Polish women would want to have sex with this loser

    This story really begs the question of why so many Polish women would want to have sex with this loser

    No kidding! He looks repulsive to me.

  135. OT

    Today in Jewish women’s resentment:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/05/books/review/steven-spielberg-life-in-films-molly-haskell.html

    “Indeed, Haskell is as elegant and cultured a Southern-bred shiksa as one could hope to read for an analysis of evolving Jewish identity in the director of “Jaws” and “Schindler’s List.”

  136. @correctionsofficer
    What is up with the Stevo-o-Sphere that attracts interracial cuckolds in the comments section??? Some of course are probably trolls, but others appear to actually be interracial cuckolds with a sexual interest for it. Or, even if they don't necessarily have a pornographic interest in it they can't help themselves but frame every racial problem in the United States in the form of black men getting sexual access to white women.

    Just curious, as it is no where nearly as present around other Alt-Right websites. (I follow most of them.)

    I guess it kind of coincides with Steve's site attracting the "WE ARE DOOMED," crowd and/or concern trolls as well.

    We all have our crosses to burn.

  137. @benjaminl
    OT

    I'm sure these demands aren't unprecedented in their looniness... But they still seem pretty darn loony.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2016/12/28/64-demands-by-u-md-student-coalition-include-prayer-rooms-in-every-major-building-shuttles-to-muslim-center/?utm_term=.e4a83d54ca13

    • An immediate response to hate speech or actions from university officials, including a consequence for the perpetrators.
    • Penalties for groups that screen movies that “perpetuate false narratives and stereotypes” of Muslims.
    • Acknowledgment during every campus event that “this is indigenous land,” along with efforts to “officially recognize the tribe or nation whose land upon which the University of Maryland is built.”
     

    It’s like the left has been energized by the Trump victory.

    I suspect we’ll see more of this.

    • Replies: @ogunsiron
    I think it's more inertia than some kind of new surge in such demands.
    2015 was the big year for such list of demands, I recall.
  138. The conservative Law and Justice ruling party in Poland holds a now rare confluence of positions: pro-European Union and pro-European.

    Not really true. Law and Justice is Euro-sceptic, and they distrust/actively hate Germans. Not because of Merkel’s immigration policy, but on general principle. Law and Justice would prefer a world where Poland is a sovereign state, loosely aligned with the other Visegrad nations and protected from Russia (and Germany) by American security guarantees. A lot of conservative Poles see Law and Justice as a bunch of old school romantic Catholic dreamers out of touch with reality, and I tend to agree. No US government is going to make Polish security a top priority, nor is the Catholic Church likely to ever regain its cultural dominance in Europe. There are actual right-wing parties that are anti-immigration but pro-European values – like the Austrian FPÖ.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    The FPO rather failed, though. Why wouldn't Polish right who sympathize with secular but right values instead infiltrate Law and Justice? Obviously the current party had some significant level of support which they can build on.
    , @NC
    Law and Justice is only being pragmatic in that respect because it's absolutely essential that Catholicism reasserts itself. No middle ground, no half measures left. 50 years of a moral vacuum created a degenerate and morally broken people in Germany and the results of that are clearly playing out. I remember Steve writing 15 years ago about how the Dutch didnt need religion or traditional marriages because of their high iqs. How has that worked out for them, now that Mohammed is the most popular name in the Netherlands? No, it's just as Belloc said, Europe is the faith and the faith is Europe . Europe will return to the faith or Europe will perish.
  139. The Swedes have just announced that they are arming guards at their nuclear power plants due to terrorism. OMG … the thought: armed guards at nuclear power plants! What are the Swedes going to do next?

    https://www.rt.com/news/372732-sweden-security-nuclear-sites/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

    I wonder if this has something to do with one of the premier rule-based societies in Europe importing hundreds of thousands of immigrants from alien, clan-based, Islamic societies. Are the Swedes having second thoughts?

    Frau Merkel promises us that the immigrants will develop their own Swedish version of Islam that integrates with traditional European and Christian values … including a commitment to democracy, the rule of law, the public good, and the basic equality of men and women. Not to be a stickler for details, can anyone think of one historical case to justify confidence in Frau Merkel’s prediction?

  140. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "Why Do Poles Not Understand That European Values Require Europhobia?"

    Actually, what you suggest is the polar opposite of European values. If you look at most societies in the World, they are closed, ehtnocentric, socially conservative, intolerant, anti-individualistic, etc.

    What separates Europe from the rest of the World, historially, the European values you talk about, are the opposite of that: tolerance, secularism, rationalism, and above all *individualism and a rejection of ethnocentrism, nationalism and religion as the base of Society*.

    You want to make Europe just like everybody else, making Europe lose exactly what made her special. What made Europe progress far more in the past 600 years and leave all those other parts of Earth behind was exactly that Europeans adopted individualism and individual rights as the moral pilars of their societies.

    White nationalists are constantly complaining:

    "Black people are allowed to celebrate their race and culture, as well as Asians and Arabs. Only us white people are called racist if we do that."

    Even though they are right about the leftist bias against white people, they miss the bigger picture that not celebrating race is *exactly what makes white European peoples special*". It is respect for the individual, and social tolerance, that explains why Europe became the bedrock of civilization. That is what allowed Europe to progress culturally and scientifically to the point where it became the essence of what we call civilization. Even the U.S.A is an off shoot of Europe and it's values.

    Europe should not respond to the terrorist threat like barbaric societies would, by excluding and genociding entire alien ethnic groups. This is *not* an European way of doing things. Europe should fight the threat of jihadists following the tradition of individualism and rationalism: treat everyone as an individual. Muslims who committ crimes will be prosecuted and severely punished. Those who are good people, will be treated like good people.

    Europe should not respond to the terrorist threat like barbaric societies would, by excluding and genociding entire alien ethnic groups.

    So keeping out Muslim and African migrants is genociding them? Got any more trendy words today?

  141. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    [off-topic but about something you wrote]

    There’s a strong connection between language and thought, and between language and the thinking that gives it birth (for languages reaching the stage of literariness, they are shaped by the elite. Common use and the common mind will shape dialects).

    This is why… the subtlety and scope, or lack of thereof, of every language is a measure of the intellectual (= philosophical. The rest is a consequence of philosophy. See present “scientific papers” and their frightening emptiness of really deep meaning: don’t they reflect today’s philosophy?) worth of the people who made that language.

    If you look at Classic Greek grammar, well, you have to admit everything thereafter as been only a descent. Simplification.

    Or compare Victorian English and today’s elite’s English (any wonder reaction times, meaning real intelligence, for the elite have gone down since Victorian England?).

    (And a simple comparison of script systems and language tells you why 95%+ of culturally important achievements have been in the West, despite our East Asian cousins’ higher IQ. Among other things, it takes them thousands of signs to express [a part of] what we do with 20-30 signs).

    The main Indian scripts and languages tell you that there once was a flourishing culture there, with its rich philosophy; indeed, there was.

    “Other places” haven’t reached the stage where you have a written language, and still use hundreds or thousands of tribal dialects (without Western intervention, they’d stay in that state for… who knows how long).

    Now, where there is thought, there is language.
    It works on the reverse too. Banal plain language will, well, restrict thought, and hinder intellectual development (they don’t study any serious grammar any more in schools… surprised? The goal is to teach not to think, just to learn, memorize, and function. Eliminating grammar was a priority).

    So, imposing English on the world would, well, contribute to make the world the kind of place the New World Orderists maybe dream of.
    A place where actual thought is the most endangered minority.

    Cultures and languages come to exist together, and die together too.

    Linguistic variety, cultural variety, would look very misplaced in Brave New World, wouldn’t it?

  142. OT:

    With their civil suit working its way through the court system, the parents of the Gentle Giant of Ferguson show why a 6’4″ 300 pounder wasn’t getting ready to play college ball:

    In her 2016 book, “Tell the Truth & Shame the Devil,” McSpadden acknowledged that her son had high blood pressure, headaches, impaired vision and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. In court filings rebuffing the push for all of her son’s medical records, Brown’s parents said his afflictions “have no bearing on a person’s life expectancy.”

    https://www.dtnpf.com/agriculture/web/ag/news/world-policy/article/2016/12/31/michael-brown-family-fights-records

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    I would like to see his juvenile delinquency records.
  143. Case was big at the time, that was something that was talked about by young people. And in general “problematic” topics are openly talked about by people in Poland. Even people who consider themselves leftist sometimes let out “but those Muslims… they should be put to the wall”. Political correctness never cought in Poland even though they tried real hard especially Jewish owned TVN and newspaper Gazeta Wyborcza[recently their writer Hugo-Bader painted himself black or as he himself described as ni**er, bamboo, makumba, asphalt and tried to prove how racist Polish people are. No one gave a fuck. But he “felt” hate]. When someone gets outraged for PC reasons it just makes them look stupid.

    When it comes to Mol’s victims they were mostly leftist activists so there wasn’t really anyone to hold the grudge. Eliminating them from gene pool was seen as a positive 😉 by right wing. And those girls themselves turned right wing after the fact. Especially because other Africans were trying to persuade them from testifying.

    By the way recently there was a case where Nigerian bit ticket inspector on a trolley car. Biter was ordered to get checked for HIV. African support organization got outraged. Results came back positive. Biting somehow was ruled self defence but Nigerian also hit a female inspector so he was ordered to do some voluntary work for six months.

  144. @Glossy
    By the way, the HIV transmission rate in cases of receptive vaginal intercourse is estimated at 0.05% to 0.3%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS#Sexual

    So to infect dozens of women one has to copulate with thousands. I'm assuming here that most of these encounters were one-night stands.

    There must be kids, lots of them.

    I’m guessing that the type of woman who’s screwing with an African footballer is on the pill. Also abortion, even if it’s kept under-wraps in Poland. what’s their TFR? 1.3 children per woman is what I read.

    Remember, it’s a small minority of the female population who behaves this way. They generate all the outrageous headlines and social problems but it’s not a large number.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    I’m guessing that the type of woman who’s screwing with an African footballer is on the pill.

    What type of woman is on the pill?
  145. @Anonymous
    Because Poles are not really "European", which really means "Western European." Even Iberia, despite being geographically Western European, is somewhat peripheral. The Slavs are on the periphery.

    Sorry your world view is only ~ 100 years out of date.

    Yeah, it was more this way in the 19th century – a time when London England was population by White English people. Now England is increasingly populated by Brown Pakistani Muslim people and London is increasingly Londonstan with a Pakistani Muslim mayor.

    OK

    70 years ago Algeria was French Algeria, part of France, not a colony. The majority of people living in coastal French Algerian cities were White Europeans, Pied Noir. OK, then there was a terrible terrorist war and French Algeria was turned over to Arab Muslim majority rule.

    What happened?

    Was there affirmative action for minority White European French, Pied Noir?

    If you believed there was any chance for that I’ve got some farm land in Rhodesia I want to sell you!

    How about joining the rest of us in the real world this year 2017?

    White European people, culture, civilization or just places where our wives and daughters can walk the street without being raped – that center of gravity is Central and Eastern Europe including Putin’s Russia.

    The Cold War is long over – should have been over in 1972.

    Are you afraid of the Russians like beautiful Russian women like Maria Sharapova and Anna Kournikova?

    Do you not like beautiful European women?

    Donald Trump seems to like beautiful European women like his latest wife.

    What the F*** is wrong with you? Maybe you need some Tunesian, Algerian, Pakistani mountain men to make “love to you”.

    Jees we have some stupid people making comments here.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    Excellent!
    , @NC
    Kounikova was good for an athletic girl but I wouldnt call Sharapova exactly beautiful and she is weirdly proportioned. Beyond that, European is basically an insult at this point. Its just a notch better maybe than calling someone a pussy. To the extant that the visegrad and Russia dont consider themselves european that's probanly a good thing.
    , @Anonymous
    You didn't understand my comment, which was not a suggestion that the Poles are some sort of totally alien race or whatever else that you're insecure about.

    If you want to suggest that the future center of gravity of white people is Eastern Europe, that's fine, but that has nothing to do with the fact that until now, "Europe" and "European" have been largely defined by the experience of Western Europe, and that Poles and the Slavic world have generally been peripheral to this experience.
  146. @Anon 2
    The weather girl (and TV presenter) I had in mind
    is Omenaa Mensah. Her mother is Polish, and father is
    from Ghana. Weather girls in Poland are typically young
    and wear miniskirts while on TV, no doubt to bring some
    excitement to the lonely men who watch them

    Weather girls in Poland are typically young and wear miniskirts while on TV

    We’ve got the same thing, except they’re on Fox News and some can be in their 40s.

    It seems pretty deliberate, is it soft-core for grandfathers?

    BTW, TV in the US is bound to get more Mexican-ized. I know some old battle-axes in the industry still hanging on but their days are numbered. At least when I’m stuck watching TV in the nursing home the newsreaders and weather hoochie-mamas will be better looking.

    • Replies: @NC
    When I was a kid in the early 80s they had hot girls reading the news and weather in my city. Almost 40 years later it's pretty much the same women except they arent so hot anymore and now I've got HD tv. That 1080p on a 55" screen really shows the limitations of makeup and surgery in a hard way.
  147. @Calogero
    The Poles never should have let him into the country. Who cares if liberals in other countries put you down for immigration restriction? Those liberal countries won't exist in a few decades anyway. Enlightened Westerners have always put down Slavs so there really is no reason to follow in our suicidal path.

    Agreed.

    I am mostly Midwestern WASP, but am 25% Russian, a mix of Germans and Slavic Russians in Russia (We lost the Russian Civil war – my grandfather came to the USA, my Great Aunt went to France).

    I’m about 18% Slavic and this little Slavic blood makes me tough and I have about 0% use for idiot Liberals or worse idiot Libertarians. Russia had exactly 1 Liberal leader in the entire Russian history Kerensky – before and after, anybody messes with Russians or related/allied Slavs – expect to get beaten, killed or sent to forced labor camps in Siberia. Google what happened to that Yid Oligarch head of Yuko Oil.

    If you are really depressed about BlackLiesMatter mobs or PC cultural marxists on US campuses, google some videos of modern day Cossacks confronting “Pussy Riot”.

    • Replies: @utu
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiw0fw_sJOk
  148. @Whiskey
    The reason for mass Third World Immigration is pretty self-evident right in this story. I'm sure that Poland has millions of nerdy young men who will go one year to the next never even touching a woman. While what amounts to a low IQ Nigerian-type scammer mostly interested in fame and sex had what amounts to thousands of women.

    Occam's Butterknife says that White women are NOT attracted to Black men, but rather only Jewish mindrays or the Ghost of Moses are making them sleep with Black men against their will just like the issue of Justice League where Superman and the Flash were mind-controlled by Starro. Or whatever.

    Occam's Razor says that Satoshi Kanazawa was right -- the flip side of Black women being of no real interest to any man with options, even or particularly Black men, is that Black men are of intense sexual market interest of women of all races, particularly and especially White women.

    Black men are known for having low IQs, low time preference (if it is not in the next fifteen seconds the average Black man is not interested -- for the average African its more like five seconds). Being aggressive, often stupidly violent with easily foreseen consequences is another common trait of Black men. Women and particularly White women despise intelligence in men the way men prize it in women.

    This is race realism. The fatal flaw of WN is their pedestalization of White women -- who as a group are in favor of replacing their men with lower IQ, violent, dominant men who can only produce goat-herding societies at best but are not afflicted with nerdy focus on science and engineering.

    This is not the Joooozzzzz! (What was the question?) America has had lots of influential Jews since Judah P. Benjamin. England since Disraeli. Mass Third World immigration is very bad for Jews -- Scandinavia will soon be entirely free from Jews as France is rapidly becoming as Muslims dominate. Look at the Democratic Party -- the past is Barbara Boxer (replaced by a Black woman), Diane Feinstein, and Chuck Schumer. The future is anti-Israel Barack Obama who failed to veto that UN resolution and is credibly rumored to be demanding at the UN Israel retreat to 1967 borders or face boycotts and even military action. When Hollywood ruled the media environment, when only the movies mattered, there was no TV, radio was three networks, and Jews OWNED every entertainment outlet the nationalism was as patriotic as Yankee Doodle Dandy with Jimmy Cagney literally waving the flag.

    When White men in a fit of brotherly concern made women their full equals they reaped not grateful responses but fury from White women angry that they now had almost no men suitable. No woman wants a man her equal; and having most White men be their equal they turned to the crack cocaine or more likely bath salts of female sex: Black and Muslim men.

    Women **WANT** violent dominance in men like a marathon of Breaking Bad followed by the Blacklist. IF White men were as violent and dangerous as they were dufing the heyday of the Klan in the 1860s, White women would not go for the bath salts of sex. But peace creates its war.

    Please stop speaking as if ALL women think one way or the other. All you need is to add some nuance, “some women”.

    53% of white women voted for Trump. Are you positive that women as a whole are a monolith?

  149. Blacks and Muslims fathered twenty percent of thenon Polish fathered births to Polish women in the UK. Poles and Romanians are Germany’s cannon fodder and (still) flooding into every corner of Britain (not just London). Germany’s plan to destroy the UK root and branch is proceeding apace. May is the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasty_Party lady, she told us.

    Germany is trying to get May to sell the pass: cop out over control of the UK’s borders in return for more or less the same the Single Market with the EU, which would be a continuation of privileged access for the EU to the Treasure Island that Britain is for them. The result woulds be Britain deindustrialised, as Poles and Romanians take service and construction jobs which will be all that remains.

    According to Migration Watch what will result in a irruption of 12 million foreigner by 2040. “It is not possible to be both a member of the European single market and in control of EU immigration”.

    A hard and nasty Brexit as soon as possible is the only thing that can save the UK.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    There are very very few eligible white British males of the marriageable age living in today's London.
    That is something female Polish immigrants to London should know beforehand.
    It is likely that young Polish women in London meet the black and subcon fathers of their children in London's many discothèques.
  150. @Kylie
    "...would white women still sleep around with nonwhites if white men carried out honor killings against white female race mixers or carried out acid attacks against them or against sexually promiscuous women?"

    I doubt going to that extreme would be necessary. Shaming and shunning such women--and their families--would probably be a sufficient deterrent.

    And of course, tightening up access to social services would help. If an unmarried mother of any race knew she couldn't get any welfare for herself or her spawn unless she could show that the fathers were already paying child support, I bet the overall illegitimacy rate would decline.

    I’m afraid many Americans now have no sense of shame. Castrating little boys is now considered brave.

    As much as I support slut shaming, I don’t see it happening.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    Point taken, Thea. As always, your opinion is appreciated.

    I wasn't just referring to slut shaming. For example, in my small town Wal-Mart, I often see older white women with mixed race toddlers. Obviously it's grandma taking over her daughter's parenting duties. But what really gripes me is seeing other white women smile at these little future problems. If instead they made insulting but non-threatening comments, I think that would have some effect.

    Americans feel no sense of shame for misbehaving because for the last few decades, the only really shameful social sin has been being "judgmental". Make it acceptable again to criticize and condemn the transgressing of social mores and you will see a corresponding return of shame.

    At least I hope so.

  151. @nj
    If you want to talk about cognitive dissonance among the altright how about that Muslim honor killings actually fall into the brutal but effective category when you think about it, would white women still sleep around with nonwhites if white men carried out honor killings against white female race mixers or carried out acid attacks against them or against sexually promiscuous women?

    This has actually crossed my mind.

    Will re-tribalization eventually occur among white people? I certainly don’t expect it in my lifetime, but I wonder….?

  152. @Peter Akuleyev
    Anecdotally I hear there is some kind of beef between Czechs and Poles while Slovaks and Poles OTOH seem to get on very well.

    The Poles grabbed a part of Czech Silesia in 1938 when the Germans took over Bohemia and Moravia. Czechs haven't forgotten that. Also Polish tanks rolled into Czechoslovakia in 1968 along with the rest of the Warsaw pact.

    Many Poles think Czechs are atheistic cowards who didn't fight the Nazis and voted for Communism in 1949.

    There are probably even more historical issues between Bohemia (Czech) and Silesia (Poland) in particular that I am ignoring, but in my experience Czechs and Poles distrust each other in a way that Slovaks and Poles don't.

    Something about Czechs: In 1938 they pledged loyalty to Hitler. Czechs did not fire a single shot against Germans during WWII. German soldiers during WWII often were sent on furloughs to Bohemia because it was the safest place. No bombs falling on the cities like in Germany and no partisan shooting at German soldiers like in Poland. But when Germany lost in 1945 they started murdering civilian Germans.

    Most of the footage in this BBC film is about reprisals against Germans in Czechoslovakia after WWII:

  153. @hhs
    OT but there are a lot of Africans in Canton, and from what I read there are quite a few mixed race children there, and African men have no problem getting Chinese women provided they have enough yuan.

    To more limited extent than you think. People still lynch there and victims are disproportionately foreigners and foreign blacks, which I find tragic at times, but certainly prevents certain crimes.

  154. @Peter Akuleyev
    The conservative Law and Justice ruling party in Poland holds a now rare confluence of positions: pro-European Union and pro-European.

    Not really true. Law and Justice is Euro-sceptic, and they distrust/actively hate Germans. Not because of Merkel's immigration policy, but on general principle. Law and Justice would prefer a world where Poland is a sovereign state, loosely aligned with the other Visegrad nations and protected from Russia (and Germany) by American security guarantees. A lot of conservative Poles see Law and Justice as a bunch of old school romantic Catholic dreamers out of touch with reality, and I tend to agree. No US government is going to make Polish security a top priority, nor is the Catholic Church likely to ever regain its cultural dominance in Europe. There are actual right-wing parties that are anti-immigration but pro-European values - like the Austrian FPÖ.

    The FPO rather failed, though. Why wouldn’t Polish right who sympathize with secular but right values instead infiltrate Law and Justice? Obviously the current party had some significant level of support which they can build on.

  155. Simon Mol is an interesting case, but it does nothing to explain Polish intransigence towards Merkel et al., as the headline of this post seems to imply. The rest of Europe (and America) have read hundreds of Simon Mol headlines, with minor variations: Cologne, Malmö, San Bernardino, Molenbeek, Bataclan, Hebdo, Fort Hood, Rotherham, Boston Marathon, etc., etc.

    None of those cautionary tales have changed the opinions of the “imagine there’s no countries” true believers.

    So, if Simon Mol was indeed elemental in making Poland different, then the question that remains to be answered is why was one such headline enough in Poland, when a dozen others in the rest of Europe were unable to make a dent?

    • Agree: International Jew
    • Replies: @Romanian
    Well, Mol worked his magic on the young and naive, who are more likely to be liberal even (especially) in uber-conservative countries. Romania is the same.

    So, when dealing with the Mols of the world, the cross-section of the Polish population that goes gaga for him and gets HIV skews overwhelmingly young and liberal. When dealing with Merkel, as in every low TFR society, the cross-section of the population driving the actual voting is older and more conservative, more likely (for better or worse) to be animated by longstanding grudges or loyalties etc. And, until you pass the "magic" threshold (long awaited by the colored and liberal youth) when the older cohorts start dying off rapidly, leaving the less numerous younger ones, the electorate will get older and more conservative. That is, unless you perform successful metapolitical warfare (activism directed at culture an values) and destroy their faith in their institutions (the Church, their military, their history).

    Romania is the same. The West may be under attack for the great deeds of their ancestors (imperialism etc), but the other countries are attacked over their perceived inferiority relative to their Western cousins (more uncouth, less developed economically which, through magical thinking and cargo cult economics, leads to social emulation for the sake of economic emulation). Romania has this. Unless they're Hungarians and therefore have an understandable grudge, I've never heard anyone talk as badly about Romanians as the Romanians do about themselves. And its a very long-running campaign of demoralization, like harassing somebody and then telling him "why don't you off yourself". Being good little Europeans and integrating into the EU superstate is our way of offing ourselves, a sort of "national death wish".
  156. @Lugash
    OT:

    With their civil suit working its way through the court system, the parents of the Gentle Giant of Ferguson show why a 6'4" 300 pounder wasn't getting ready to play college ball:

    In her 2016 book, "Tell the Truth & Shame the Devil," McSpadden acknowledged that her son had high blood pressure, headaches, impaired vision and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. In court filings rebuffing the push for all of her son's medical records, Brown's parents said his afflictions "have no bearing on a person's life expectancy."

    https://www.dtnpf.com/agriculture/web/ag/news/world-policy/article/2016/12/31/michael-brown-family-fights-records

    I would like to see his juvenile delinquency records.

  157. @Formerly CARealist
    I'm guessing that the type of woman who's screwing with an African footballer is on the pill. Also abortion, even if it's kept under-wraps in Poland. what's their TFR? 1.3 children per woman is what I read.

    Remember, it's a small minority of the female population who behaves this way. They generate all the outrageous headlines and social problems but it's not a large number.

    I’m guessing that the type of woman who’s screwing with an African footballer is on the pill.

    What type of woman is on the pill?

    • Replies: @Formerly CARealist
    If this is a serious question then I'll give you a serious answer. Women go on the pill for two reasons: to avoid getting pregnant and/or to control their cycles. A woman on the the pill does not equal a promiscuous woman. But a promiscuous woman is almost certainly on the pill.

    Are we cool?
  158. @Bies Podkrakowski
    I admit this is irritating.

    But Catholic Church in Poland works something like this: people who go to the Church listen what the priest has to say, and then go home for the rest of the week and do their own thing . Their own thing is generally based on culture, which is rather conservative and religious, so there are not many conflicts. But if the Church says something that people don't agree with, this will be politely ignored. So the Church generally don't do that.

    The "refugee crisis" is the case where Church message is ignored. There is shrug: "Well this is their job, after all. To be charitable." and everybody goes back to be against migrants.

    Besides I don't see much enthusiasm among regular priests for the "migrant" cause. Some bishops are calling from time to time for more help, for places for "Syrians" in parish homes, etc. They have to repeat the calling because there is not much positive response.

    Most of the Catholic charity organisations I'have heard about send their money and food to the camps in the Middle East and Christian families in Syria and Libanon.

    Thanks for your reply; let’s hope it stays that way.

  159. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean
    Blacks and Muslims fathered twenty percent of thenon Polish fathered births to Polish women in the UK. Poles and Romanians are Germany's cannon fodder and (still) flooding into every corner of Britain (not just London). Germany's plan to destroy the UK root and branch is proceeding apace. May is the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasty_Party lady, she told us.

    Germany is trying to get May to sell the pass: cop out over control of the UK's borders in return for more or less the same the Single Market with the EU, which would be a continuation of privileged access for the EU to the Treasure Island that Britain is for them. The result woulds be Britain deindustrialised, as Poles and Romanians take service and construction jobs which will be all that remains.

    According to Migration Watch what will result in a irruption of 12 million foreigner by 2040. “It is not possible to be both a member of the European single market and in control of EU immigration”.

    A hard and nasty Brexit as soon as possible is the only thing that can save the UK.

    There are very very few eligible white British males of the marriageable age living in today’s London.
    That is something female Polish immigrants to London should know beforehand.
    It is likely that young Polish women in London meet the black and subcon fathers of their children in London’s many discothèques.

  160. I remember reading, quite a few years back now, about an HIV outbreak in the remotest reaches of Mongolia traced to ‘visitors’ from Africa who were there for some unfathomable reason.

  161. @jake
    Liberal Poles are like Liberals everywhere. What sets up Poland for a very bad future is that most Polish conservatives would rather face almost anything that Russian dominance. Not Soviet Marxist dominance, but Russian. Polish conservatives would rather hope the EU gets some common sense than to make a deal with Russia to save European Christian culture at least in Eastern Europe.

    A friend told me how bad that is now in Poland. He is a devout Catholic. but the naive kind who thinks crap like women on EWTN and World Youth Day will help. On the other hand, I say those things breed soft conservatives ready to step to the Left. This guy went to WYD in Krakow. He came back bothered by something: he said that many devoutly Catholic Poles have taken to heart Pope Francis's call for the West to load up with non-white and Moslem immigrants. My friend said he heard Poles who would be deemed conservative saying that new population influx would help keep the Russians as bay.

    That is the same tack taken by American Neocons: de-Christianze and de-white your nation to have the bodies needed to oppose Russia.

    And to close, I should stress this: Pope Francis is doing almost as much to spread Leftism as George Soros.

    I was talking to a Polish guy recently, he seemed to have some pretty robust views on globalists and bankers. He also admitted that, hard as he found it to say, he was warming to Putin.

  162. @jack ryan
    Sorry your world view is only ~ 100 years out of date.

    Yeah, it was more this way in the 19th century - a time when London England was population by White English people. Now England is increasingly populated by Brown Pakistani Muslim people and London is increasingly Londonstan with a Pakistani Muslim mayor.

    OK

    70 years ago Algeria was French Algeria, part of France, not a colony. The majority of people living in coastal French Algerian cities were White Europeans, Pied Noir. OK, then there was a terrible terrorist war and French Algeria was turned over to Arab Muslim majority rule.

    What happened?

    Was there affirmative action for minority White European French, Pied Noir?

    If you believed there was any chance for that I've got some farm land in Rhodesia I want to sell you!

    How about joining the rest of us in the real world this year 2017?

    White European people, culture, civilization or just places where our wives and daughters can walk the street without being raped - that center of gravity is Central and Eastern Europe including Putin's Russia.

    The Cold War is long over - should have been over in 1972.

    Are you afraid of the Russians like beautiful Russian women like Maria Sharapova and Anna Kournikova?

    Do you not like beautiful European women?

    Donald Trump seems to like beautiful European women like his latest wife.

    What the F*** is wrong with you? Maybe you need some Tunesian, Algerian, Pakistani mountain men to make "love to you".

    Jees we have some stupid people making comments here.

    Excellent!

  163. @Zachary Latif
    My Swedish friend always talks about the Hanseatic League as his vision for the EU (basically the North Sea & Baltic states) whereas of course the initial vision for Europe was sort of Lotharingia.

    The EU is a victim of its own success; North-Western Europe is a fairly cohesive entity (I would include northern regions of Italy & Spain in that too)..

    If you call the current euro currency disaster and the Schengen area ‘success’ I hate to think what you would describe as failure.

  164. @Dumbo
    I think you lack text interpretation skills... This is not what the guy said.

    Anyway, black men having access to white women is indeed a problem, especially if they give birth.

    I've never been to Poland, but I saw in Germany many young white women in a night club "dancing" (grinding) with blacks. There is in the country a strange obsession with all things afro-american (music, clothes, dreadlocks, etc).

    I guess that young women value most of all extroversion, unwarranted self-confidence, and lies, and blacks offer that in spades (no pun intended). For some strange reason, many women associate that with virility.

    When women are in their thirties they are wiser, unfortunately by that time they also lost most of their beauty and fertility.

    However, I did not see too many interracial couples in the streets in Germany. Well, at least not as many as I saw in Canada, there I would see 2 or 3 mixed couples everyday, just walking down the streets. Almost always black men with white women, and white men with asian women.

    The future will be interesting, won't it.

    I guess that young women value most of all extroversion, unwarranted self-confidence, and lies, and blacks offer that in spades (no pun intended). For some strange reason, many women associate that with virility.

    Blacks are more virile. The question is whether women seek maximum virility or look to meet a certain standard after which other criteria take precedence. My sense is that it is more the latter while the handwringers assume the former.

    About unwarranted self-confidence. People, men and women, are looking for faithfulness in a potential marriage partner. Fides is the Latin for faith, i.e. Semper Fidelis, fidelity, confidence. Self-confident men at least have faith in themselves, those lacking can’t even manage that.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    I would say that most people - both men and women - respond first and foremost to the limbic system. For some women, that probably would mean maximum virility at least during spikes of their period. But I don't think its anywhere close to universal; my white wife never found black men attractive at all, she told me. She was fairly traditional, though, and always wanted to be a housewife and nothing of rap culture would suggest that.

    Obviously she did racemix with me, though, so her inclinations toward white nationalism must not have been very strong. She mourns that our children won't have blue eyes, though.
    , @Dumbo
    I am not sure if blacks are more "virile", what I said is that they are more extrovert. I am not sure if that is a more masculine characteristic. After all, women tend to be more extrovert, while masculine men can be the "strong, silent type". Blacks, on the other hand (like women) are always babbling.

    But, most women prefer extroverts, men who talk and are in control, even if it is BS. That is one of the reasons you see white women with blacks but few white women with Asian men, even though they would probably be better fathers and providers. But they are (or give the impression of being, even if they are not) nerdy and shy.

    Obviously not all women are as dumb or look for the same things, or I would not have had any girlfriends.

    In fact, I think it is a special type of woman, as someone said, more the "adventuress" or risk-seeking type, who tend to be attracted to blacks and/or bad-boy types.

    As for the "self-confidence" and fidelity, I really don't see any relation except for the similar origin of the words. Self-confident people may in fact cheat more. At least blacks tend to cheat much more than white nerds. But prove me wrong.
  165. @Peter Akuleyev
    The conservative Law and Justice ruling party in Poland holds a now rare confluence of positions: pro-European Union and pro-European.

    Not really true. Law and Justice is Euro-sceptic, and they distrust/actively hate Germans. Not because of Merkel's immigration policy, but on general principle. Law and Justice would prefer a world where Poland is a sovereign state, loosely aligned with the other Visegrad nations and protected from Russia (and Germany) by American security guarantees. A lot of conservative Poles see Law and Justice as a bunch of old school romantic Catholic dreamers out of touch with reality, and I tend to agree. No US government is going to make Polish security a top priority, nor is the Catholic Church likely to ever regain its cultural dominance in Europe. There are actual right-wing parties that are anti-immigration but pro-European values - like the Austrian FPÖ.

    Law and Justice is only being pragmatic in that respect because it’s absolutely essential that Catholicism reasserts itself. No middle ground, no half measures left. 50 years of a moral vacuum created a degenerate and morally broken people in Germany and the results of that are clearly playing out. I remember Steve writing 15 years ago about how the Dutch didnt need religion or traditional marriages because of their high iqs. How has that worked out for them, now that Mohammed is the most popular name in the Netherlands? No, it’s just as Belloc said, Europe is the faith and the faith is Europe . Europe will return to the faith or Europe will perish.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    " Europe will return to the faith or Europe will perish."

    The Catholic Church is highly active in promoting mass immigration, and they're not limiting their efforts to Christians, they're quite pro-Islamic as well. And no, they're not even trying to convert Muslims.
    It's beyond bizarre to claim that a resurgence of Catholicism would do anything to preserve European nations...if anything, the opposite is probably true.
    , @utu
    "it’s just as Belloc said, Europe is the faith and the faith is Europe . Europe will return to the faith or Europe will perish." - I agree with Belloc. But I do not think that Europe will return to the faith.
  166. @Thea
    I'm afraid many Americans now have no sense of shame. Castrating little boys is now considered brave.

    As much as I support slut shaming, I don't see it happening.

    Point taken, Thea. As always, your opinion is appreciated.

    I wasn’t just referring to slut shaming. For example, in my small town Wal-Mart, I often see older white women with mixed race toddlers. Obviously it’s grandma taking over her daughter’s parenting duties. But what really gripes me is seeing other white women smile at these little future problems. If instead they made insulting but non-threatening comments, I think that would have some effect.

    Americans feel no sense of shame for misbehaving because for the last few decades, the only really shameful social sin has been being “judgmental”. Make it acceptable again to criticize and condemn the transgressing of social mores and you will see a corresponding return of shame.

    At least I hope so.

  167. @nj
    If you want to talk about cognitive dissonance among the altright how about that Muslim honor killings actually fall into the brutal but effective category when you think about it, would white women still sleep around with nonwhites if white men carried out honor killings against white female race mixers or carried out acid attacks against them or against sexually promiscuous women?

    would white women still sleep around with nonwhites if white men carried out honor killings against white female race mixers or carried out acid attacks against them or against sexually promiscuous women?

    It can only be a brutal and “effective” (arguably ineffective, and a symptom of a profoundly dysfunctional culture) category in a specific cultural context. So I disagree that there is cognitive dissonance in this instance, because Western concepts of honor and shame are very different from ones where such violence is practiced.

    Note also that women play a prominent role in delegating and sanctioning honor killings and other punitive violence against other women, frequently their own flesh and blood. You may already know this, but it isn’t explicit in your post, and it’s significant, yet often overlooked.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    It can only be a brutal and “effective” (arguably ineffective, and a symptom of a profoundly dysfunctional culture) category in a specific cultural context. So I disagree that there is cognitive dissonance in this instance, because Western concepts of honor and shame are very different from ones where such violence is practiced.
     
    That's right. Western concepts of honor involve punishment of the male interloper.
  168. @jack ryan
    Sorry your world view is only ~ 100 years out of date.

    Yeah, it was more this way in the 19th century - a time when London England was population by White English people. Now England is increasingly populated by Brown Pakistani Muslim people and London is increasingly Londonstan with a Pakistani Muslim mayor.

    OK

    70 years ago Algeria was French Algeria, part of France, not a colony. The majority of people living in coastal French Algerian cities were White Europeans, Pied Noir. OK, then there was a terrible terrorist war and French Algeria was turned over to Arab Muslim majority rule.

    What happened?

    Was there affirmative action for minority White European French, Pied Noir?

    If you believed there was any chance for that I've got some farm land in Rhodesia I want to sell you!

    How about joining the rest of us in the real world this year 2017?

    White European people, culture, civilization or just places where our wives and daughters can walk the street without being raped - that center of gravity is Central and Eastern Europe including Putin's Russia.

    The Cold War is long over - should have been over in 1972.

    Are you afraid of the Russians like beautiful Russian women like Maria Sharapova and Anna Kournikova?

    Do you not like beautiful European women?

    Donald Trump seems to like beautiful European women like his latest wife.

    What the F*** is wrong with you? Maybe you need some Tunesian, Algerian, Pakistani mountain men to make "love to you".

    Jees we have some stupid people making comments here.

    Kounikova was good for an athletic girl but I wouldnt call Sharapova exactly beautiful and she is weirdly proportioned. Beyond that, European is basically an insult at this point. Its just a notch better maybe than calling someone a pussy. To the extant that the visegrad and Russia dont consider themselves european that’s probanly a good thing.

  169. @jack ryan
    Agreed.

    I am mostly Midwestern WASP, but am 25% Russian, a mix of Germans and Slavic Russians in Russia (We lost the Russian Civil war - my grandfather came to the USA, my Great Aunt went to France).

    I'm about 18% Slavic and this little Slavic blood makes me tough and I have about 0% use for idiot Liberals or worse idiot Libertarians. Russia had exactly 1 Liberal leader in the entire Russian history Kerensky - before and after, anybody messes with Russians or related/allied Slavs - expect to get beaten, killed or sent to forced labor camps in Siberia. Google what happened to that Yid Oligarch head of Yuko Oil.

    If you are really depressed about BlackLiesMatter mobs or PC cultural marxists on US campuses, google some videos of modern day Cossacks confronting "Pussy Riot".

  170. @The Anti-Gnostic

    Weather girls in Poland are typically young and wear miniskirts while on TV
     
    We've got the same thing, except they're on Fox News and some can be in their 40s.

    It seems pretty deliberate, is it soft-core for grandfathers?

    BTW, TV in the US is bound to get more Mexican-ized. I know some old battle-axes in the industry still hanging on but their days are numbered. At least when I'm stuck watching TV in the nursing home the newsreaders and weather hoochie-mamas will be better looking.

    When I was a kid in the early 80s they had hot girls reading the news and weather in my city. Almost 40 years later it’s pretty much the same women except they arent so hot anymore and now I’ve got HD tv. That 1080p on a 55″ screen really shows the limitations of makeup and surgery in a hard way.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    It shouldn't be that hard for somebody to invent a system to automatically soften the wrinkles of, say, the McLaughlin Gang on your new 4k TV.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    You can observe the same phenomenon on airlines. The cute, polite stewardesses of my youth are now old battle-axe "flight attendants."

    I was trying to think of causes for this phenomenon and I think a lot of it's just "Baby Boomers." A very large cohort with a lot of economic heft moving thru the labor market. Of course, most of us lose a lot of our bargaining power with employers around age 50. So there's something specific going on with airlines (unions) and broadcast media (don't know).
  171. @Desiderius

    I guess that young women value most of all extroversion, unwarranted self-confidence, and lies, and blacks offer that in spades (no pun intended). For some strange reason, many women associate that with virility.
     
    Blacks are more virile. The question is whether women seek maximum virility or look to meet a certain standard after which other criteria take precedence. My sense is that it is more the latter while the handwringers assume the former.

    About unwarranted self-confidence. People, men and women, are looking for faithfulness in a potential marriage partner. Fides is the Latin for faith, i.e. Semper Fidelis, fidelity, confidence. Self-confident men at least have faith in themselves, those lacking can't even manage that.

    I would say that most people – both men and women – respond first and foremost to the limbic system. For some women, that probably would mean maximum virility at least during spikes of their period. But I don’t think its anywhere close to universal; my white wife never found black men attractive at all, she told me. She was fairly traditional, though, and always wanted to be a housewife and nothing of rap culture would suggest that.

    Obviously she did racemix with me, though, so her inclinations toward white nationalism must not have been very strong. She mourns that our children won’t have blue eyes, though.

    • Replies: @correctionsofficer
    What race/ethnicity are you? Just curious. I assume some kind of South Asian. I've always been curious where half Asians will try and fit into the future racial American hierarchy. Half blacks have it easier, as it seems to be a modus operandi to claim blackness to non-black groups but to consider yourself higher class (Eric Holder etc) within the black community
    , @bbz
    You know what will be the best possible outcome? For you and your wife's ilk, and for people like Steve banon, kellyane Conway, and for Steve miller and the sjws to literally kill each other off and bleed themselves dry, like what happened between the Byzantines and the sasanids before the Arabs came to carve up the remains, of how the communists kept their powder dry and preserved their strenght while the KMT bled itself dry fighting against the Japanese, or how the best thing wei could have done was to let shu han and wu fight each other to oblivion, and swooping in later after both sides are exhausted.
  172. @Dumbo
    Why is my comment still awaiting moderation while others much less tame have been published? Hmpf.

    The comment approval / moderation process is an art, not a science.

    Chant a mantra or visit a voodoo practitioner, your luck may change.

  173. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "Why Do Poles Not Understand That European Values Require Europhobia?"

    Actually, what you suggest is the polar opposite of European values. If you look at most societies in the World, they are closed, ehtnocentric, socially conservative, intolerant, anti-individualistic, etc.

    What separates Europe from the rest of the World, historially, the European values you talk about, are the opposite of that: tolerance, secularism, rationalism, and above all *individualism and a rejection of ethnocentrism, nationalism and religion as the base of Society*.

    You want to make Europe just like everybody else, making Europe lose exactly what made her special. What made Europe progress far more in the past 600 years and leave all those other parts of Earth behind was exactly that Europeans adopted individualism and individual rights as the moral pilars of their societies.

    White nationalists are constantly complaining:

    "Black people are allowed to celebrate their race and culture, as well as Asians and Arabs. Only us white people are called racist if we do that."

    Even though they are right about the leftist bias against white people, they miss the bigger picture that not celebrating race is *exactly what makes white European peoples special*". It is respect for the individual, and social tolerance, that explains why Europe became the bedrock of civilization. That is what allowed Europe to progress culturally and scientifically to the point where it became the essence of what we call civilization. Even the U.S.A is an off shoot of Europe and it's values.

    Europe should not respond to the terrorist threat like barbaric societies would, by excluding and genociding entire alien ethnic groups. This is *not* an European way of doing things. Europe should fight the threat of jihadists following the tradition of individualism and rationalism: treat everyone as an individual. Muslims who committ crimes will be prosecuted and severely punished. Those who are good people, will be treated like good people.

    You do realize that nationalism is a 19th century European invention which basically is instrumental in what Europe became in the 19th century?

  174. @jake
    Liberal Poles are like Liberals everywhere. What sets up Poland for a very bad future is that most Polish conservatives would rather face almost anything that Russian dominance. Not Soviet Marxist dominance, but Russian. Polish conservatives would rather hope the EU gets some common sense than to make a deal with Russia to save European Christian culture at least in Eastern Europe.

    A friend told me how bad that is now in Poland. He is a devout Catholic. but the naive kind who thinks crap like women on EWTN and World Youth Day will help. On the other hand, I say those things breed soft conservatives ready to step to the Left. This guy went to WYD in Krakow. He came back bothered by something: he said that many devoutly Catholic Poles have taken to heart Pope Francis's call for the West to load up with non-white and Moslem immigrants. My friend said he heard Poles who would be deemed conservative saying that new population influx would help keep the Russians as bay.

    That is the same tack taken by American Neocons: de-Christianze and de-white your nation to have the bodies needed to oppose Russia.

    And to close, I should stress this: Pope Francis is doing almost as much to spread Leftism as George Soros.

    jake:

    I disagree. Pope Francis is doing MORE to spread Leftist than George Soros. And incidentally and more important, doing more to harm the Roman Catholic Church than anyone else I can think of!

  175. @415 reasons
    This story really begs the question of why so many Polish women would want to have sex with this loser

    You beat me to it. I mean, seriously—why??

  176. @hhhs
    Well wasnt the entire region of Latin America created as a result of Spanish men having sex with Indian women? You know that Andrew anglin has more traffic than all of unz.com and he basically thinks that ALL white women are whores and had sexual relationships with underage Asian girls right?

    You know what, he’s not far from wrong. A bigger problem even than white girls who are sluts for blacks is just the fact that so many white girls are sluts in the first place. Slut values are the normative values for young women today. How is a woman who grew up in the hookup culture supposed to suddenly become a devoted wife and loving mother upon marriage? It doesnt work and the past 50 years of culture have proved it.

  177. @Anonymous
    Actually, if you had a brain bigger than your mouth, and had a modicum of knowledge, you would not make such dumb statements.

    The word 'Europe' first arose in ancient Greece, and referred to the distinction between 'Asia' that is Anatolia, and the lands on the other side of the Bosphorous, which were termed 'Europe'. Everything else is an extension from that ancient distinction. Poland is no further east than Greece.
    From a genetic standpoint, Poles have more of a genetic component from the indigenous neolithic inhabitants of Europe, the so called WHG group than many western or southern Europeans have.

    You didn’t understand my comment, which was not a suggestion that the Poles are some sort of totally alien race or whatever else that you’re insecure about.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Only an American - and not a real European who actually lives in Europe could hold that dumb cartoon perception of Europe which you hold.
  178. @anony-mouse
    And apparently it's the highest American value to support the Government of Russia over the Government of the US

    KGB si CIA no!

    It's complicated.

    muh constitution!

  179. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @jack ryan
    Sorry your world view is only ~ 100 years out of date.

    Yeah, it was more this way in the 19th century - a time when London England was population by White English people. Now England is increasingly populated by Brown Pakistani Muslim people and London is increasingly Londonstan with a Pakistani Muslim mayor.

    OK

    70 years ago Algeria was French Algeria, part of France, not a colony. The majority of people living in coastal French Algerian cities were White Europeans, Pied Noir. OK, then there was a terrible terrorist war and French Algeria was turned over to Arab Muslim majority rule.

    What happened?

    Was there affirmative action for minority White European French, Pied Noir?

    If you believed there was any chance for that I've got some farm land in Rhodesia I want to sell you!

    How about joining the rest of us in the real world this year 2017?

    White European people, culture, civilization or just places where our wives and daughters can walk the street without being raped - that center of gravity is Central and Eastern Europe including Putin's Russia.

    The Cold War is long over - should have been over in 1972.

    Are you afraid of the Russians like beautiful Russian women like Maria Sharapova and Anna Kournikova?

    Do you not like beautiful European women?

    Donald Trump seems to like beautiful European women like his latest wife.

    What the F*** is wrong with you? Maybe you need some Tunesian, Algerian, Pakistani mountain men to make "love to you".

    Jees we have some stupid people making comments here.

    You didn’t understand my comment, which was not a suggestion that the Poles are some sort of totally alien race or whatever else that you’re insecure about.

    If you want to suggest that the future center of gravity of white people is Eastern Europe, that’s fine, but that has nothing to do with the fact that until now, “Europe” and “European” have been largely defined by the experience of Western Europe, and that Poles and the Slavic world have generally been peripheral to this experience.

  180. From Chicago Tribune: “Poland isn’t a democracy and it never was.” The authors do admit though that Poland is not as bad as that horrible, horrible, no good, autocratic… Hungary.

    Sample quote:

    The EU’s democratization strategy for the former Eastern bloc countries was essentially a giant bet on the power of institutions. In line with rationalist institutionalist ideas prevalent in political science throughout the 1990s and 2000s, the hope was that with sound institutions constructed to lock in democracy, the embrace of norms would follow in time.

    And the strategy was a total success! Well, almost.

    Poland and Hungary are not faltering because of failures of institutional design — scholars rate both as excellent — but because political projects proclaiming illiberal identity are flourishing.

    In other words, Poles remained Poles and Hungarians remained Magyars. Which Eurocrat could’ve foreseen it? Ironically, these people thought that the biggest danger to their “democratization” project would come from the former Communist nomenklatura. Haha. The ex-Communists were the best friends they had.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    When we keep hearing about how Poland and Hungary are suddenly not "democratic," what exactly does that mean? I think a big part of it is that the elected parties fired a lot of the losing parties' supporters from jobs at national broadcasters.
  181. @correctionsofficer
    That's clearly not what I'm saying, work on your reading comprehension.

    It's not "white women with black men is a sign of how far western civilization is falling" type comments I'm talking about. I.e. Miscegenation destroys decent homogeneous nations, which I agree with.

    My point is that here at isteve (and from what I can tell far more common here than the rest of the alt right) is a type of commenter who says things, to paraphrase, are along the lines of "white men cannot hope to compete with more masculine black men. They will take and impregnate all the white women and the race will be doom to extinction." I just wondered why, if there are actually people who believe this stuff or if isteve for some reason truly attracts the concern troll/wearedoomed crowd, and why they are here instead of other alt right comment threads

    That nonsense is mostly just Whiskey’s goofy pathology. I cannot think of others among us who spout such nonsense. Any white man worth his salt is more than a match – physically, mentally, and otherwise – for any black man. Historical, empirical facts bear this out. The Battle of Rourke’s Drift was not a fluke; the Battle of Isandlwana was.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    You are wrong sir & Whiskey is tragically correct.
    , @Jefferson
    "That nonsense is mostly just Whiskey’s goofy pathology. I cannot think of others among us who spout such nonsense."

    ANON ANON ANON ANON is always talking about how he believes all White women dream of being impregnated by a Black man. Anon is a bigger Cuck than Jeb Bush.

  182. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Reihan Salam in Slate on Democrats as coalition of the fringes, er I mean “barbell party”:

    Trump’s great political insight was that a vast chasm separated the existing Republican coalition and the Republican coalition that existed in the minds of party activists, donors, and elected officials. Essentially, elite Republicans saw their party through the lens of makers and takers. Republicans build businesses, pay taxes, and provide for their families. Democrats, in the view of GOP elites, are always on the lookout for free stuff while Republicans are the “leave-us-alone” coalition, a group of Americans that want the government to get out of their way.

    At the height of the Reagan era, when America’s electorate was younger, and when the unionized working class was still more or less intact, the class-based theory of the Republican coalition made a good deal of sense. By the 2010s, however, it should have been clear that it was losing its salience. In 2012, the Democratic presidential candidate won a larger share of the vote among households earning $250,000 or more, the first time that had happened since 1964, when Barry Goldwater’s loose talk about tactical nukes terrified ritzy Republicans into voting for Johnson. Democrats won this rarefied constituency in 2016 as well. This is not to suggest that Republicans and Democrats suddenly switched places. Rather, over the course of the Obama years, the Democrats evolved into a barbell party, representing affluent educated voters at the top of the income distribution and nonwhite working-class voters at the bottom. Republicans evolved into a party of white middle- and working-class voters, plus tax-averse ultra-wealthy types who set the party’s agenda without providing much electoral punch. While rich Republicans remained wedded to the rhetoric of makers and takers, their party had become a cross-class coalition that included makers and takers alike.

    Trump also appealed to better-off older whites alarmed by the (seemingly) diminished prospects of their children and grandchildren.

  183. @Whiskey
    I'll also note that White and in particular, Jewish influence on America is rapidly eroding. The Democratic Party is solidly that of Obama, not Hillary. Obama's moves on Israel with purportedly more on the way just ignored Chuck Schumer who is a minor figure at best. The University of Maryland, all Muslim/Black/Latino all the time, plus various BLT groups is what most universities and colleges will become.

    Keith Ellison X is the most likely DNC chair. Even if he's poison to Jewish lawyers like Lawrence Tribe. They don't matter. Its men like Ellison X, and women like Kamala Harrais who are the future and power of the Democratic Party. Just like Rahm Emmanuel is a dead pol walking, and knows it. If Bertha Lewis had not gotten sick with cancer she would have beat him like Obama did Hillary in 2008.

    Look at the Universities as a whole; they are replacing the older Jewish profs with Genius T. Coates types. Look at Hollywood, in the midst of a White (read: Jewish White) purge in favor of Tyler Perry, Nate Parker, and Leslie T. Jones. Star Wars went from being damn White to ... "no White men need apply" as soon as it passed to a ... White woman, Kathleen Kennedy.

    Indeed, if you look at the Hillary coalition, it pandered to White women's (Upper and UMC White women that is) fantasies: no (straight) White men, White women, various non-Whites, Muslims, gays etc.

    Indeed a function, f(x)[White displacement] = degree of female UMC domination + male-female equality + beta_maleness_supplication + level of Male IQ can be derived quite easily.

    Good insight in identifying Kamala Harris–I predict she’ll be the Democratic Presidential nominee in 2020. She could be a very formidable candidate: fairly attractive woman who’ll be in her late 50s against a 74-year old Donald Trump (Dole’s age vis-a-vis Clinton hurt him in 1996). Black enough to re-energize the Negroes, with perfect SJW credentials from her stint as California AG. Don’t know how she’ll appeal to Mestizos. If Trump can turn around the economy in the Rust Belt states he still has a chance, but demographic changes are relentless.

  184. @whorefinder

    I doubt going to that extreme would be necessary. Shaming and shunning such women–and their families–would probably be a sufficient deterrent.
     
    Movies and TV shows like to downplay and make fun of the effects of shaming/shunning, and like to claim that just "being strong" and "being confident" remove them. In reality, however, shaming/shunning are incredibly powerful, especially on women, whose natural insecurity and tremendous desire for group approval far out paces men.

    Even today, a man voicing strong disapproval of a woman's actions can make her break down in tears, no matter how much others are telling her what she did was ok. Years ago, I was once drunk at a bar in a major lefty city and two white women were showing me pictures of one of their children---who was black. I ripped into it and started making comments like "Is the father still around?" and "Wow, you went that far in the gutter?" The woman's eyes welled up with tears, and at first, protested angrily, but then just hung her head in shame and ran out.

    That LOL is also a “Savage!”

    • LOL: Kylie
  185. @Anon 2
    The weather girl (and TV presenter) I had in mind
    is Omenaa Mensah. Her mother is Polish, and father is
    from Ghana. Weather girls in Poland are typically young
    and wear miniskirts while on TV, no doubt to bring some
    excitement to the lonely men who watch them

    Who needs pornography, at least soft-core pornography, when you have TV presenters (not just for the weather anymore)? It’s getting almost embarassing–men simply need not apply.

  186. @correctionsofficer
    What is up with the Stevo-o-Sphere that attracts interracial cuckolds in the comments section??? Some of course are probably trolls, but others appear to actually be interracial cuckolds with a sexual interest for it. Or, even if they don't necessarily have a pornographic interest in it they can't help themselves but frame every racial problem in the United States in the form of black men getting sexual access to white women.

    Just curious, as it is no where nearly as present around other Alt-Right websites. (I follow most of them.)

    I guess it kind of coincides with Steve's site attracting the "WE ARE DOOMED," crowd and/or concern trolls as well.

    Note: I didn’t realize I “replied” to Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta. He’s not particularly the kind of comment i’m talking about (though it is still an example of a topic about a whiny refugee getting veered into the discussion of a black male getting access to white women). I was making a more general point about Isteve comment threads.

    • Replies: @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    I admit my cynicism makes me susceptible to a certain culture pessimism. Sometimes I do see things very darkly, perhaps unrealistically so. Whenever there is a slow moving development that may have negative consequences it is hard to observe in real time, those who perceive it may come across as alarmist to those who don't. But like any such political discussion, as with the climate alarmists, there are varying degrees of concern, alarm or panic. I really don't know what would be the appropriate response to the challenge of increasing multicultural diversity and the wistful feeling of loss or alienation many have in response. Either our grandchildren (for those of us who have them) will either look at the harmonious interracially mixed society they inherit with satisfaction and view our own as weird and foreign and wonder why we were worrying or else they'll be suffering in a chaotic oppressive and strife-riven society and regret the legacy we've unleashed on them.

    Calm concern might not be enough to get people's attention while hyperbole and panic might not get taken seriously.
  187. @Anon 2
    As far as I can tell, the number of Africans in
    Poland is minuscule. Under Communism a few
    of them came to study in Poland, and several
    perhaps intermarried with Polish women. Out
    of one such relationship came a mixed-race weather
    woman who was very visible on Polish TV for a couple
    of decades. She may still be around.

    Back in the '90s one would occasionally see one or two
    blacks in Warsaw in front of McDonalds or places of this
    sort. Once I saw a black boy of about 10 with two Polish ladies
    at a café, who surprisingly spoke Polish with no accent.
    One would also occasionally encounter some Gypsies. But in
    recent years it seems like the blacks and the Gypsies have
    practically disappeared, at least based on my very subjective
    observations when visiting Poland. It's not like Kiev where there
    is now a racially mixed district.

    Vietnamese are very visible in Warsaw - there are about 70,000
    of them in Poland. Being mostly Catholics, perhaps they feel
    comfortable there. But by far the most visible groups are over one
    million Ukrainian workers and students residing in Poland on short
    term visas, an unknown but growing number of Belarusians, about
    10,000 Russians, and a growing number of Slovaks attracted by the
    developing labor shortage. I personally know a pretty Ukrainian girl who is
    working with foster children in Warsaw, and is dating a Polish fellow.
    I know she loves Poland, and even though she visits Ukraine she has no
    desire to go back. I also know a young Russian woman, a good-looking blonde,
    originally from St. Petersburg but raised in Poland, who works at a radio station in
    Warsaw, has lots of Polish friends, is dating a Polish guy, and again has no desire to
    go back to Russia. Hundreds of thousand of Russian troops and their families
    who were stationed in western Poland during the days of Communism were
    absolutely heartbroken when they received orders to withdraw from Poland
    and go back to Russia in the early '90s

    These Belorussians and Ukrainians, are they likely of Polish origin?

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    Some Ukrainians and Belarusians who come to work
    and study in Poland may have some Polish heritage
    but most do not.

    Belarus is a relatively new country but it was part of the
    Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth for centuries, and for
    20 years between WW I and WW II. 'Lithuania' until
    the 19th century was much larger and mostly Ruthenian,
    i.e., East Slavonic. It included what today is called Belarus.

    When the Polish national bard Adam Mickiewicz wrote
    the stanza that every Polish child knows, "O Lithuania, my
    fatherland,". (1834) he was actually referring to the area
    just east of Poland. The point is that during the 300 years
    of the Commonwealth, many Poles migrated into what is today
    called Belarus, and into Russia. It wasn't only the Volga
    Germans who had responded to the lure of the East. Many
    famous Russians were descended from Polish nobility. The
    composer Igor Stravinsky (The Rite of Spring) is probably the most
    famous example. He bore a Polish coat of arms, could speak Polish,
    visited Warsaw many times, and in the 1920s sought to become
    a Polish citizen. His ancestral home in Ustyluh was in Poland
    during 1918-1939, and even today it's right over the border from
    Poland
  188. So Mol had himself an all black football team. I have to admit, by politically correct reasoning, you don’t get any more diverse than that.

  189. @Whiskey
    The reason for mass Third World Immigration is pretty self-evident right in this story. I'm sure that Poland has millions of nerdy young men who will go one year to the next never even touching a woman. While what amounts to a low IQ Nigerian-type scammer mostly interested in fame and sex had what amounts to thousands of women.

    Occam's Butterknife says that White women are NOT attracted to Black men, but rather only Jewish mindrays or the Ghost of Moses are making them sleep with Black men against their will just like the issue of Justice League where Superman and the Flash were mind-controlled by Starro. Or whatever.

    Occam's Razor says that Satoshi Kanazawa was right -- the flip side of Black women being of no real interest to any man with options, even or particularly Black men, is that Black men are of intense sexual market interest of women of all races, particularly and especially White women.

    Black men are known for having low IQs, low time preference (if it is not in the next fifteen seconds the average Black man is not interested -- for the average African its more like five seconds). Being aggressive, often stupidly violent with easily foreseen consequences is another common trait of Black men. Women and particularly White women despise intelligence in men the way men prize it in women.

    This is race realism. The fatal flaw of WN is their pedestalization of White women -- who as a group are in favor of replacing their men with lower IQ, violent, dominant men who can only produce goat-herding societies at best but are not afflicted with nerdy focus on science and engineering.

    This is not the Joooozzzzz! (What was the question?) America has had lots of influential Jews since Judah P. Benjamin. England since Disraeli. Mass Third World immigration is very bad for Jews -- Scandinavia will soon be entirely free from Jews as France is rapidly becoming as Muslims dominate. Look at the Democratic Party -- the past is Barbara Boxer (replaced by a Black woman), Diane Feinstein, and Chuck Schumer. The future is anti-Israel Barack Obama who failed to veto that UN resolution and is credibly rumored to be demanding at the UN Israel retreat to 1967 borders or face boycotts and even military action. When Hollywood ruled the media environment, when only the movies mattered, there was no TV, radio was three networks, and Jews OWNED every entertainment outlet the nationalism was as patriotic as Yankee Doodle Dandy with Jimmy Cagney literally waving the flag.

    When White men in a fit of brotherly concern made women their full equals they reaped not grateful responses but fury from White women angry that they now had almost no men suitable. No woman wants a man her equal; and having most White men be their equal they turned to the crack cocaine or more likely bath salts of female sex: Black and Muslim men.

    Women **WANT** violent dominance in men like a marathon of Breaking Bad followed by the Blacklist. IF White men were as violent and dangerous as they were dufing the heyday of the Klan in the 1860s, White women would not go for the bath salts of sex. But peace creates its war.
  190. @AP
    Agree with the first paragraph. But:

    Affluence begets decadence, and it seems like once a country
    exceeds roughly $35,000 per capita, decadence and hedonism
    kick in and rates of social dysfunction begin to skyrocket
     
    As Charles Murray showed, wealthy American have, in general, low levels of social dysfunction. They have low divorce rates, crime rates, etc. The problem is not in wealth but in culture.

    Poland has a few things going for it:

    1. As others have pointed out, Poles ave no post-colonial guilt. Their ancestors never invaded or oppressed Muslims or Africans. Poles don't feel the need to atone for past crimes.

    2. Related to above - Poles, unlike Swedes, have a strong victim-complex. Millions of them were murdered by Nazis and Communists. A German, whose ancestors slaughtered Poles, or a Frenchman or Englishman, whose ancestors looked the other way as Poland was brutalized by Germany and the USSR, will never be able to lecture Poles about human rights and morality. This goes 10x for Western leftists with a soft spot for Communism.

    3. A positive side effect of Communism was that it kept Poles separated from the West at a time when Western cultural leftism was new and cool (60s and 70s). They encountered it at a when the novelty had worn off and the disadvantages had begun to appear.

    Yes, upper-middle class is protected from decadence
    (I’m not so sure about the upper class, they can indulge
    their base appetites with complete impunity. What’s
    more, nobody will know about it. E.g., rumors about
    Bill Clinton and the “Lolita Express,” Trump’s wanton
    promiscuity in his younger days). What I meant when
    I said that “affluence begets decadence” is ‘in the society
    as a whole’ because, after all, the upper and UMC are only
    a fraction of the population. The working class can quickly
    succumb to decadence in an affluent society, particularly
    when combined with unemployment and underemployment
    while on welfare or disability, as we see happening in the
    U.S. In general, I’m wary of excessive materialism. A very high
    GDP per capita is a mixed blessing

    Re: Slovaks vs Czechs. Slovak is a bit closer to Polish than
    Czech plus more Slovaks are practicing Catholics. I know
    some Slovaks who came to Poland to study theology, e.g.,
    at KUL. (Catholic University in Lublin) or in Warsaw.
    However, there is no mutual dislike between the Czechs and
    the Polish. Czechs feel perfectly comfortable in Poland,
    and vice versa. E.g., Ewa Farna, the Polish-Czech singer who
    is ethnically Polish but born in Czechia, has had a successful
    career singing in Czech or Polish in either country.

  191. @Opinionator
    or once were conscious about the long deception’s inconsistency with reality,

    Interesting comments. How do you define "the long deception"?

    For me, the long deception equals all the politically correct dogmas that I’ve been told since youth that don’t seem to match with what I observe in reality. The awakening I think is what Mr. Sailer calls “noticing.” It’s not that I resent the reality… no that’s fair… we’re all animals with instincts, hearts and minds. What I resent is the deception that tells us to believe that the reality is different from what it is to create misconceptions that better conform to political notions of how we SHOULD be. It’s a positive / normative dichotomy. I don’t resent white women or black men for behaving differently. Once we are conscious of the differences, we can better understand our own motivations and behaviors as well as those of others which help us to negotiate our communities much better with less misunderstanding and disappointment.

    We ARE different; men, women, blacks & whites. But the progressives seem to misconstrue this acceptance of differences as somehow denigrating people of these different categories. No matter our differences, we all have dignity and gifts with which we can contribute to creation. I do however tire of some of the responses I see to observations that certain races have statistically lesser intellectual gifts than others, that this might imply these groups may be somehow less worthy. Be that as it may, I know folks to the right of me on the Bell Curve and I do hope they can still respect my human dignity and welcome my contributions to civilization, no matter how modest they are, as much as I respect and welcome those to my left. Indeed those that deny any differences and falsely claim “we’re all the same” actually do harm to the very groups they’re trying to help. Instead of honoring everybody’s gifts and contributions as they are, they dwell on performance deficits for how some groups might not be measuring up to others. Finally as challenging as our intrinsic differences make social cohesion and trust, the biggest problem is without a doubt the work of demagogues who wish to gain power by sowing division and stoking resentments. It’s not that the blood is defective, a toxic culture has just poisoned it with fear, resentment, entitlement and hate.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Thanks. You make a few points here that I will endeavor to carry forward into life.

    I wonder if we can perceive and live this reality without using a language of superiority, or doing so as little as possible. For instance, how could your sentence, "certain races have statistically lesser gifts than others," be tweaked, reworded?
  192. @Anon
    One thing that is sure about this story... white women are addicked to Afro-dong.

    Feminism is turning into a matter of Speaking-in-Dongs.

    “One thing that is sure about this story… white women are addicked to Afro-dong.”

    Anon you have Homo Cuck DNA in you because of your obsession with Negro penises.

  193. @Ivy
    Europeans may recall Talleyrand's quote about how Europe begins at the Pyrenees. Don't recall if he had any eastern boundary in mind, but might have excluded the Visegrád Group (Poland, Czechia, Hungary and Slovakia), for example, even though the Hapsburg influence was in force and there was a lot of culture there.

    How small would Europe become with an EU breakup, especially after Brexit and with a potential Frexit or Italeave? Which Europeans will decide to conserve their history and values, and to reject the Mols of the world and their fellow travelers?

    Metternich said that Asia begins at the Landstrasse, which is a road outside of Vienna. This means that Poland, Hungary, and Slovakia are excluded from Europe. Czechia is included but only because at the time Bohemia was a German domain with Czechs merely subject people.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl

    Czechia is included but only because at the time Bohemia was a German domain with Czechs merely subject people.
     
    Additionally, all of Bohemia and most of Moravia are actually west of Vienna.
    , @Lurker
    Then the Prince was wrong.
    , @Anonymous
    And people like you take silly, off-the-cuff, dinner party jokes as being 'great insights' into the minds of 19th century statesmen.

    The English Labour Party politician, Lord George Wigg, once famously joked - in the same vein as all of your armchair American wisecrack/great historical insights - that 'wogs begin at Calais'. He meant facetiously to mock the tiny minds of some of his contemporaries, but the joke stuck, and people who didn't realise that they were being mocked kept pompously repeating it.
    , @Anonymous
    You reveal a profound ignorance of how the Kingdom of Bohemia was incorporated into the Habsburg domains in the first place, not to mention the history of the Sudeten Germans.

    History is evidently not your thing.
  194. @HA
    Simon Mol is an interesting case, but it does nothing to explain Polish intransigence towards Merkel et al., as the headline of this post seems to imply. The rest of Europe (and America) have read hundreds of Simon Mol headlines, with minor variations: Cologne, Malmö, San Bernardino, Molenbeek, Bataclan, Hebdo, Fort Hood, Rotherham, Boston Marathon, etc., etc.

    None of those cautionary tales have changed the opinions of the "imagine there's no countries" true believers.

    So, if Simon Mol was indeed elemental in making Poland different, then the question that remains to be answered is why was one such headline enough in Poland, when a dozen others in the rest of Europe were unable to make a dent?

    Well, Mol worked his magic on the young and naive, who are more likely to be liberal even (especially) in uber-conservative countries. Romania is the same.

    So, when dealing with the Mols of the world, the cross-section of the Polish population that goes gaga for him and gets HIV skews overwhelmingly young and liberal. When dealing with Merkel, as in every low TFR society, the cross-section of the population driving the actual voting is older and more conservative, more likely (for better or worse) to be animated by longstanding grudges or loyalties etc. And, until you pass the “magic” threshold (long awaited by the colored and liberal youth) when the older cohorts start dying off rapidly, leaving the less numerous younger ones, the electorate will get older and more conservative. That is, unless you perform successful metapolitical warfare (activism directed at culture an values) and destroy their faith in their institutions (the Church, their military, their history).

    Romania is the same. The West may be under attack for the great deeds of their ancestors (imperialism etc), but the other countries are attacked over their perceived inferiority relative to their Western cousins (more uncouth, less developed economically which, through magical thinking and cargo cult economics, leads to social emulation for the sake of economic emulation). Romania has this. Unless they’re Hungarians and therefore have an understandable grudge, I’ve never heard anyone talk as badly about Romanians as the Romanians do about themselves. And its a very long-running campaign of demoralization, like harassing somebody and then telling him “why don’t you off yourself”. Being good little Europeans and integrating into the EU superstate is our way of offing ourselves, a sort of “national death wish”.

    • Replies: @HA
    "Well, Mol worked his magic on the young and naive, who are more likely to be liberal even (especially) in uber-conservative countries. Romania is the same."

    Yes, but as you imply, they were eager to have liberal magic worked on them. There will always be those who hear the siren call of Mol and PEN and whatever other organization Soros is funding this week. To the extent that they make headway is not necessarily due to the merits of their cause (such as they are), but rather, the cravenness of those who ought to be opposing them. One can be opposed to racism and hatred and not necessarily "animated by longstanding grudges or loyalties" (though I get what you're saying, and agree with it) and still not be surprised by how Mol's story ended. To the extent that people on the right admit that longstanding grudges are really all that's animating, they've already conceded the battle to the starry-eyed feelgoods.
    , @utu
    "I’ve never heard anyone talk as badly about Romanians as the Romanians do about themselves. And its a very long-running campaign of demoralization, like harassing somebody and then telling him “why don’t you off yourself”. "

    Is this what some call a post-colonial attitude? Do you think other Eastern Europe countries experience the same or is the phenomenon older than the Soviet domination?

    And what about Finland. Do they have complexes with respect to Swedes and Western Europe?
  195. Wouldn’t he have been able to get his treatment paid for by Polands health service, once he was established there? If he’d have done that, he’d still be alive, and probably he wouldn’t have spread his disease around either.

  196. @inertial
    From Chicago Tribune: "Poland isn't a democracy and it never was." The authors do admit though that Poland is not as bad as that horrible, horrible, no good, autocratic... Hungary.

    Sample quote:


    The EU's democratization strategy for the former Eastern bloc countries was essentially a giant bet on the power of institutions. In line with rationalist institutionalist ideas prevalent in political science throughout the 1990s and 2000s, the hope was that with sound institutions constructed to lock in democracy, the embrace of norms would follow in time.
     
    And the strategy was a total success! Well, almost.

    Poland and Hungary are not faltering because of failures of institutional design -- scholars rate both as excellent -- but because political projects proclaiming illiberal identity are flourishing.

     

    In other words, Poles remained Poles and Hungarians remained Magyars. Which Eurocrat could've foreseen it? Ironically, these people thought that the biggest danger to their "democratization" project would come from the former Communist nomenklatura. Haha. The ex-Communists were the best friends they had.

    When we keep hearing about how Poland and Hungary are suddenly not “democratic,” what exactly does that mean? I think a big part of it is that the elected parties fired a lot of the losing parties’ supporters from jobs at national broadcasters.

    • Replies: @inertial
    The word democratic always meant what you wanted it to mean. Another such word is authoritarian. It means the opposite of whatever it is you mean by democratic. Thus, Obama is a democrat and Trump is an authoritarian. Or vice versa.
  197. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    For me, the long deception equals all the politically correct dogmas that I've been told since youth that don't seem to match with what I observe in reality. The awakening I think is what Mr. Sailer calls "noticing." It's not that I resent the reality... no that's fair... we're all animals with instincts, hearts and minds. What I resent is the deception that tells us to believe that the reality is different from what it is to create misconceptions that better conform to political notions of how we SHOULD be. It's a positive / normative dichotomy. I don't resent white women or black men for behaving differently. Once we are conscious of the differences, we can better understand our own motivations and behaviors as well as those of others which help us to negotiate our communities much better with less misunderstanding and disappointment.

    We ARE different; men, women, blacks & whites. But the progressives seem to misconstrue this acceptance of differences as somehow denigrating people of these different categories. No matter our differences, we all have dignity and gifts with which we can contribute to creation. I do however tire of some of the responses I see to observations that certain races have statistically lesser intellectual gifts than others, that this might imply these groups may be somehow less worthy. Be that as it may, I know folks to the right of me on the Bell Curve and I do hope they can still respect my human dignity and welcome my contributions to civilization, no matter how modest they are, as much as I respect and welcome those to my left. Indeed those that deny any differences and falsely claim "we're all the same" actually do harm to the very groups they're trying to help. Instead of honoring everybody's gifts and contributions as they are, they dwell on performance deficits for how some groups might not be measuring up to others. Finally as challenging as our intrinsic differences make social cohesion and trust, the biggest problem is without a doubt the work of demagogues who wish to gain power by sowing division and stoking resentments. It's not that the blood is defective, a toxic culture has just poisoned it with fear, resentment, entitlement and hate.

    Thanks. You make a few points here that I will endeavor to carry forward into life.

    I wonder if we can perceive and live this reality without using a language of superiority, or doing so as little as possible. For instance, how could your sentence, “certain races have statistically lesser gifts than others,” be tweaked, reworded?

    • Replies: @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    I wonder if we can perceive and live this reality without using a language of superiority, or doing so as little as possible. For instance, how could your sentence, “certain races have statistically lesser gifts than others,” be tweaked, reworded?
     
    There might be an important point here. Both the left and parts of the right dwell much too much on statistical measures of collective performance between the races. The left (and most of the establishment for that matter) is absolutely obsessed with keeping score that minority representation in all important arenas is proportional to their population at large. For several generations now immense resources have been dedicated to closing these gaps... quite unsuccessfully I might add. Typically whiteprivilege, racism and bias are blamed for the gaps and everybody is exhorted to redouble their efforts and try harder. Recently the right has been responding, "Wait maybe it's not primarily racism, bias & whiteprivilege that explain why groups as collectives are still performing differently, but rather innate differences between the groups on mean that result from having slightly different distributions of gifts & talents. The implication would be to lighten up and focus more on individuals rather than collectives. This is where I stand at the moment. The gaps we should be focusing on are between individual potential and performance rather than measuring individuals unrealistically against individuals of other collectives perhaps with quite different talents. Further to the right we find those who upon examination of statistically different distributions of intellectual talents, they conclude that this is a reason that groups might be irreconcilable incompatible or moreover that some groups are superior or inferior based on that single measure. I'm not quite convinced by this line of thought. What's more it isn't something I'm ready to consider because it would imply that perhaps segregation & a very difficult ethnic cleavage into separate societies would be best for all considered.

    So to return to your initial question about how rhetorically to express and consider different statistical measures of performance between different ethnic collectives... it might not be possible to consider without people belonging to the lower scoring groups taking it personally, feeling inferior and having hurt feelings about it. It's easy to say separate your own individual self-concept from that of your collective. Perhaps there is an answer in deemphasizing intelligence as a measure of a man that our meritocracy & economy lately have been demanding to for admission to high status knowledge-work. Ultimately it's about status and social mobility. If we can achieve some kind of respect, solidarity and egalitarianism in spite of the increasing rewards to knowledge-work that are stratifying our society, the status anxiety that is the source of so many of the current tensions between the classes and races might dissipate.
  198. @NC
    When I was a kid in the early 80s they had hot girls reading the news and weather in my city. Almost 40 years later it's pretty much the same women except they arent so hot anymore and now I've got HD tv. That 1080p on a 55" screen really shows the limitations of makeup and surgery in a hard way.

    It shouldn’t be that hard for somebody to invent a system to automatically soften the wrinkles of, say, the McLaughlin Gang on your new 4k TV.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Those wrinkles are more than skin deep.
    , @grapesoda
    Like Autotune for T. V.? That would be incredibly hard because the images are moving, and T. V. puts out such an incredible volume of schlock. It would be like Photoshopping every single frame. The only case in which it would be worth anyone's time would be for big budget movies.

    As an all-purpose solution the only thing they could do that would be practical is to put some type of filter over the entire broadcast.

    Btw take this kind of logic and apply it to every time someone says, "Yeah we're just gonna automate X. Automation is going to take all our jerbs." Yeah right, for sub-100 IQ people maybe. There is still going to be tons of work dealing with information, even more than before. Of course that is assuming that the current supply and demand climate will even exist. For all we know the future demands will go back to being food water and shelter.
    , @Anon87
    Hasn't Barbera Walters been using this for years? A trowel and a jar of Vaseline. Cheaper than a digital filter.

    And I think the hair stylist had the biggest challenges on the set of the McLaughlin Group (no offense Pat and John, R.I.P.)
  199. @inertial
    Metternich said that Asia begins at the Landstrasse, which is a road outside of Vienna. This means that Poland, Hungary, and Slovakia are excluded from Europe. Czechia is included but only because at the time Bohemia was a German domain with Czechs merely subject people.

    Czechia is included but only because at the time Bohemia was a German domain with Czechs merely subject people.

    Additionally, all of Bohemia and most of Moravia are actually west of Vienna.

  200. I read about Simon Mol a few years ago and it might have been on Steve’s old blog (not sure). I remember feeling sickened. The worst part of the story is how he guilt tripped the ones who did want to use condoms.

  201. @Opinionator

    An ambiguous enough delivery will activate their overriding sense of not wanting to look like a fool or be embarassed publicly.
     
    Not sure what you meant by this.

    I’m sorry. I may have been too vague or unable to explain myself properly.

    When somebody attacks you or spits on you or insults you terribly, you can either attack him or leave him. You can do the same if someone makes a pass at you that triggers a strong rejection. But, if the “invasion” or crossing of the boundaries is ambiguous enough, then you enter a sort of middle state where you don’t know what to do. You definitely sense that something is wrong but acting out as if something really is wrong might make you look like a fool in front of the other person, whom you do not know was actually trying to be “invasive” or in front of third parties. Such awareness is an important part of status games in human societies. Mol was using the threat of humiliation in front of a group with “shared norms” to blackmail peoples into acquiescence with whatever he wanted. So you are stuck there. Most people do not have the mental resources to extricate themselves deftly from such a position. Which leaves you vulnerable to whatever con you are targeted by.

    [MORE]

    Sasha Baron Cohen did this in Borat. He was obviously making fun of those people he interviewed, but only from our perspectives as outsiders clued in. Those people would start to realize that something is wrong, but there was a grey area before they cut off the interview where they were uncertain whether to articulate it and act, therefore leaving themselves open to accusations and ridicule from Borat, his producers, their own peers or even themselves if they were neurotic.

    The same with these women. Some of them really wanted to sleep with him, sure. But others were at a crossroads – I want him to put a condom on, I don’t really want to sleep with him, I have a boyfriend, Mol is not that attractive etc. He whipped out the race card and left their minds scrambled with indecision which a man will generally use as an opportunity to take the decision from them and let them lie back and think of Jan Sobiesky.

    Does that make it clearer? Aside from my limited intuition regarding the unfathomable sex, I have had a control group of one to run it by and I got an ok for a valid theory, which is as much certainty as one ever has with women.

    Funny anecdote – I experienced the same thing as a shy, bookish 12 year old. Or around that age. I was going with a small group to a summer camp (The Stag it was called), all of them older boys in high school (many stories there). Anyway, we were in the main railway station of Bucharest, coming from our hometown, to get a connection to our destination. A few of the boys put some money together and paid a really ewwww Gypsy woman who was in the station to come make aggressive passes at me while I was being bored on a bench (I don’t remember a thing about her, except she wasn’t too old, but can’t tell if she was a beggar, prostitute, or general transport hub hustler). This was way before we even entered NATO, pre-growth spurt in the economy. Lots more poverty, no gadgets to shut it out. She came, sat down next to me, put her arm around me, started telling me things. I froze completely. Did not know what to do. I wasn’t threatened, per se, but I was immensely embarrassed, especially with the group I was travelling with watching and snickering. It lasted until Mademoiselle the French language professor chaperoning us (26 years old) I had instantly crushed on came over, shooed the Gypsy woman away and took me under her wing. Which was even more embarrassing, since she started to check up on me very overtly. She wanted to impress her boss, my head teacher, who had promised my skeptical parents that, even if this was an older group and she wouldn’t be the chaperone, everything would be hunky dory and that some time around outgoing kids and fresh mountain air would do me good. Mademoiselle took to scolding the older boys to not leave dirty magazines around the room because I was a kid (she was very liberal with these things), she checked up on me before lights out etc. I was never able to articulate a fuck off to either one of the parties – the Gypsy, the dolts playing tricks on me or the teacher who “emasculated” me. Which left me a passive agent to whatever they wanted to do. In my case, not an initiation into lovemaking by an older woman, but being taken shoe shopping to not leave me out of her sights while the other kids went partying around town on a day trip. The bitter end.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    But, if the “invasion” or crossing of the boundaries is ambiguous enough, then you enter a sort of middle state where you don’t know what to do.
     
    That's because you (and I) are the equivalent of red blood cells. Healthy societies also have white blood cells. Ours have been artificially impaired.
    , @Opinionator
    Very interesting! Thanks. I had an experience over the weekend being on the receiving end of an advance by a woman in front of a third party. I can see how your theory of ambiguity, which I don't believe I've ever articulated, could sort of apply to my psychology at the time.
    , @utu
    "Sasha Baron Cohen did this in Borat. He was obviously making fun of those people he interviewed, but only from our perspectives as outsiders clued in. Those people would start to realize that something is wrong, but there was a grey area before they cut off the interview where they were uncertain whether to articulate it and act, therefore leaving themselves open to accusations and ridicule from Borat, his producers, their own peers or even themselves if they were neurotic."

    Donald Trump was not taken by him and terminated the interview soon while Patrick Buchanan did not stop the interview soon enough.
    , @ben tillman

    When somebody attacks you or spits on you or insults you terribly, you can either attack him or leave him. You can do the same if someone makes a pass at you that triggers a strong rejection. But, if the “invasion” or crossing of the boundaries is ambiguous enough, then you enter a sort of middle state where you don’t know what to do. You definitely sense that something is wrong but acting out as if something really is wrong might make you look like a fool in front of the other person, whom you do not know was actually trying to be “invasive”[,] or in front of third parties.
     
    You explained it fine the first time, but this is better. What you say goes a long way toward explaining why we have "statutory rape" laws.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    I guess that there was a reason that dates used to be chaperoned. If the young lady became uncomfortable with the situation the chaperon could intervene and take the heat. And add to that sexual segregation in most activities--that probably also kept young women out of uncomfortable, potentially sexual situations. Women's emancipation isn't all that it's cracked up to be.
  202. @Anon 2
    As far as I can tell, the number of Africans in
    Poland is minuscule. Under Communism a few
    of them came to study in Poland, and several
    perhaps intermarried with Polish women. Out
    of one such relationship came a mixed-race weather
    woman who was very visible on Polish TV for a couple
    of decades. She may still be around.

    Back in the '90s one would occasionally see one or two
    blacks in Warsaw in front of McDonalds or places of this
    sort. Once I saw a black boy of about 10 with two Polish ladies
    at a café, who surprisingly spoke Polish with no accent.
    One would also occasionally encounter some Gypsies. But in
    recent years it seems like the blacks and the Gypsies have
    practically disappeared, at least based on my very subjective
    observations when visiting Poland. It's not like Kiev where there
    is now a racially mixed district.

    Vietnamese are very visible in Warsaw - there are about 70,000
    of them in Poland. Being mostly Catholics, perhaps they feel
    comfortable there. But by far the most visible groups are over one
    million Ukrainian workers and students residing in Poland on short
    term visas, an unknown but growing number of Belarusians, about
    10,000 Russians, and a growing number of Slovaks attracted by the
    developing labor shortage. I personally know a pretty Ukrainian girl who is
    working with foster children in Warsaw, and is dating a Polish fellow.
    I know she loves Poland, and even though she visits Ukraine she has no
    desire to go back. I also know a young Russian woman, a good-looking blonde,
    originally from St. Petersburg but raised in Poland, who works at a radio station in
    Warsaw, has lots of Polish friends, is dating a Polish guy, and again has no desire to
    go back to Russia. Hundreds of thousand of Russian troops and their families
    who were stationed in western Poland during the days of Communism were
    absolutely heartbroken when they received orders to withdraw from Poland
    and go back to Russia in the early '90s

    Interesting that John Godson, born in Nigeria, is a polish parlamentarian for conservative populist party. At least he’s not with the Greens.

  203. There are two kinds of people in the world.

    For which everything is written and for which nothing is written. The latter have will and agency.

    The GLOB says it is written that open borders and Diversity are the wave of the future. It is written, and no wall can stem this tide, this Super Tsunami.
    PC Narrative says there is only one true god of history, and what he has written cannot be unwritten. It can only be read and obeyed.

    Those with slave-mentality and herd-mentality go along with this like sheep and camel.

    But those with agency see their own truth, think their own truth, write their own truth, and live their own truth. And that changes history.

    Unless white folks began to wake up and reject what has been enforced as ‘written'(by their enemies), they won’t have a future. The future written for them leads to eclipse, extinction, and humiliation.

    But if they begin to write their own future independent of the PC narrative, they do have a future.
    To think freely means to EXCLUDE the lies and bad ideas fed to them by hustlers, crooks, charlatans, and fanatics. No honest mind works by INCLUDING Politically Correct poison.

    Just like the body heals by excluding and expelling germs and viruses, just like nature regains its vitality via the exclusion of man-made trash, and just like the soul is cleansed by excluding evil spirits, the White Mind, Soul, and World must learn to exclude all that insults, harms, degrades, impugns, and poisons them.

  204. @correction'sofficer
    Note: I didn't realize I "replied" to Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta. He's not particularly the kind of comment i'm talking about (though it is still an example of a topic about a whiny refugee getting veered into the discussion of a black male getting access to white women). I was making a more general point about Isteve comment threads.

    I admit my cynicism makes me susceptible to a certain culture pessimism. Sometimes I do see things very darkly, perhaps unrealistically so. Whenever there is a slow moving development that may have negative consequences it is hard to observe in real time, those who perceive it may come across as alarmist to those who don’t. But like any such political discussion, as with the climate alarmists, there are varying degrees of concern, alarm or panic. I really don’t know what would be the appropriate response to the challenge of increasing multicultural diversity and the wistful feeling of loss or alienation many have in response. Either our grandchildren (for those of us who have them) will either look at the harmonious interracially mixed society they inherit with satisfaction and view our own as weird and foreign and wonder why we were worrying or else they’ll be suffering in a chaotic oppressive and strife-riven society and regret the legacy we’ve unleashed on them.

    Calm concern might not be enough to get people’s attention while hyperbole and panic might not get taken seriously.

  205. @Steve Sailer
    It shouldn't be that hard for somebody to invent a system to automatically soften the wrinkles of, say, the McLaughlin Gang on your new 4k TV.

    Those wrinkles are more than skin deep.

  206. @Romanian
    I'm sorry. I may have been too vague or unable to explain myself properly.

    When somebody attacks you or spits on you or insults you terribly, you can either attack him or leave him. You can do the same if someone makes a pass at you that triggers a strong rejection. But, if the "invasion" or crossing of the boundaries is ambiguous enough, then you enter a sort of middle state where you don't know what to do. You definitely sense that something is wrong but acting out as if something really is wrong might make you look like a fool in front of the other person, whom you do not know was actually trying to be "invasive" or in front of third parties. Such awareness is an important part of status games in human societies. Mol was using the threat of humiliation in front of a group with "shared norms" to blackmail peoples into acquiescence with whatever he wanted. So you are stuck there. Most people do not have the mental resources to extricate themselves deftly from such a position. Which leaves you vulnerable to whatever con you are targeted by.

    Sasha Baron Cohen did this in Borat. He was obviously making fun of those people he interviewed, but only from our perspectives as outsiders clued in. Those people would start to realize that something is wrong, but there was a grey area before they cut off the interview where they were uncertain whether to articulate it and act, therefore leaving themselves open to accusations and ridicule from Borat, his producers, their own peers or even themselves if they were neurotic.

    The same with these women. Some of them really wanted to sleep with him, sure. But others were at a crossroads - I want him to put a condom on, I don't really want to sleep with him, I have a boyfriend, Mol is not that attractive etc. He whipped out the race card and left their minds scrambled with indecision which a man will generally use as an opportunity to take the decision from them and let them lie back and think of Jan Sobiesky.

    Does that make it clearer? Aside from my limited intuition regarding the unfathomable sex, I have had a control group of one to run it by and I got an ok for a valid theory, which is as much certainty as one ever has with women.

    Funny anecdote - I experienced the same thing as a shy, bookish 12 year old. Or around that age. I was going with a small group to a summer camp (The Stag it was called), all of them older boys in high school (many stories there). Anyway, we were in the main railway station of Bucharest, coming from our hometown, to get a connection to our destination. A few of the boys put some money together and paid a really ewwww Gypsy woman who was in the station to come make aggressive passes at me while I was being bored on a bench (I don't remember a thing about her, except she wasn't too old, but can't tell if she was a beggar, prostitute, or general transport hub hustler). This was way before we even entered NATO, pre-growth spurt in the economy. Lots more poverty, no gadgets to shut it out. She came, sat down next to me, put her arm around me, started telling me things. I froze completely. Did not know what to do. I wasn't threatened, per se, but I was immensely embarrassed, especially with the group I was travelling with watching and snickering. It lasted until Mademoiselle the French language professor chaperoning us (26 years old) I had instantly crushed on came over, shooed the Gypsy woman away and took me under her wing. Which was even more embarrassing, since she started to check up on me very overtly. She wanted to impress her boss, my head teacher, who had promised my skeptical parents that, even if this was an older group and she wouldn't be the chaperone, everything would be hunky dory and that some time around outgoing kids and fresh mountain air would do me good. Mademoiselle took to scolding the older boys to not leave dirty magazines around the room because I was a kid (she was very liberal with these things), she checked up on me before lights out etc. I was never able to articulate a fuck off to either one of the parties - the Gypsy, the dolts playing tricks on me or the teacher who "emasculated" me. Which left me a passive agent to whatever they wanted to do. In my case, not an initiation into lovemaking by an older woman, but being taken shoe shopping to not leave me out of her sights while the other kids went partying around town on a day trip. The bitter end.

    But, if the “invasion” or crossing of the boundaries is ambiguous enough, then you enter a sort of middle state where you don’t know what to do.

    That’s because you (and I) are the equivalent of red blood cells. Healthy societies also have white blood cells. Ours have been artificially impaired.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Unclear.
  207. @Steve Sailer
    When we keep hearing about how Poland and Hungary are suddenly not "democratic," what exactly does that mean? I think a big part of it is that the elected parties fired a lot of the losing parties' supporters from jobs at national broadcasters.

    The word democratic always meant what you wanted it to mean. Another such word is authoritarian. It means the opposite of whatever it is you mean by democratic. Thus, Obama is a democrat and Trump is an authoritarian. Or vice versa.

  208. @Romanian
    I'm sorry. I may have been too vague or unable to explain myself properly.

    When somebody attacks you or spits on you or insults you terribly, you can either attack him or leave him. You can do the same if someone makes a pass at you that triggers a strong rejection. But, if the "invasion" or crossing of the boundaries is ambiguous enough, then you enter a sort of middle state where you don't know what to do. You definitely sense that something is wrong but acting out as if something really is wrong might make you look like a fool in front of the other person, whom you do not know was actually trying to be "invasive" or in front of third parties. Such awareness is an important part of status games in human societies. Mol was using the threat of humiliation in front of a group with "shared norms" to blackmail peoples into acquiescence with whatever he wanted. So you are stuck there. Most people do not have the mental resources to extricate themselves deftly from such a position. Which leaves you vulnerable to whatever con you are targeted by.

    Sasha Baron Cohen did this in Borat. He was obviously making fun of those people he interviewed, but only from our perspectives as outsiders clued in. Those people would start to realize that something is wrong, but there was a grey area before they cut off the interview where they were uncertain whether to articulate it and act, therefore leaving themselves open to accusations and ridicule from Borat, his producers, their own peers or even themselves if they were neurotic.

    The same with these women. Some of them really wanted to sleep with him, sure. But others were at a crossroads - I want him to put a condom on, I don't really want to sleep with him, I have a boyfriend, Mol is not that attractive etc. He whipped out the race card and left their minds scrambled with indecision which a man will generally use as an opportunity to take the decision from them and let them lie back and think of Jan Sobiesky.

    Does that make it clearer? Aside from my limited intuition regarding the unfathomable sex, I have had a control group of one to run it by and I got an ok for a valid theory, which is as much certainty as one ever has with women.

    Funny anecdote - I experienced the same thing as a shy, bookish 12 year old. Or around that age. I was going with a small group to a summer camp (The Stag it was called), all of them older boys in high school (many stories there). Anyway, we were in the main railway station of Bucharest, coming from our hometown, to get a connection to our destination. A few of the boys put some money together and paid a really ewwww Gypsy woman who was in the station to come make aggressive passes at me while I was being bored on a bench (I don't remember a thing about her, except she wasn't too old, but can't tell if she was a beggar, prostitute, or general transport hub hustler). This was way before we even entered NATO, pre-growth spurt in the economy. Lots more poverty, no gadgets to shut it out. She came, sat down next to me, put her arm around me, started telling me things. I froze completely. Did not know what to do. I wasn't threatened, per se, but I was immensely embarrassed, especially with the group I was travelling with watching and snickering. It lasted until Mademoiselle the French language professor chaperoning us (26 years old) I had instantly crushed on came over, shooed the Gypsy woman away and took me under her wing. Which was even more embarrassing, since she started to check up on me very overtly. She wanted to impress her boss, my head teacher, who had promised my skeptical parents that, even if this was an older group and she wouldn't be the chaperone, everything would be hunky dory and that some time around outgoing kids and fresh mountain air would do me good. Mademoiselle took to scolding the older boys to not leave dirty magazines around the room because I was a kid (she was very liberal with these things), she checked up on me before lights out etc. I was never able to articulate a fuck off to either one of the parties - the Gypsy, the dolts playing tricks on me or the teacher who "emasculated" me. Which left me a passive agent to whatever they wanted to do. In my case, not an initiation into lovemaking by an older woman, but being taken shoe shopping to not leave me out of her sights while the other kids went partying around town on a day trip. The bitter end.

    Very interesting! Thanks. I had an experience over the weekend being on the receiving end of an advance by a woman in front of a third party. I can see how your theory of ambiguity, which I don’t believe I’ve ever articulated, could sort of apply to my psychology at the time.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    I'd add, however, that I have a somewhat of a hard time seeing how a woman would allow an ambiguous situation of the kind you describe to lead to actual consensual sexual contact. There would be exit ramps along the way for her to "leave," no? And probably an absence of third parties at that point?
    , @Romanian
    Was it an unwanted advance or one that you wouldn't have wanted made in public, but would have welcomed in private? Details, please!
  209. @Desiderius

    But, if the “invasion” or crossing of the boundaries is ambiguous enough, then you enter a sort of middle state where you don’t know what to do.
     
    That's because you (and I) are the equivalent of red blood cells. Healthy societies also have white blood cells. Ours have been artificially impaired.

    Unclear.

  210. @Opinionator
    Thanks. You make a few points here that I will endeavor to carry forward into life.

    I wonder if we can perceive and live this reality without using a language of superiority, or doing so as little as possible. For instance, how could your sentence, "certain races have statistically lesser gifts than others," be tweaked, reworded?

    I wonder if we can perceive and live this reality without using a language of superiority, or doing so as little as possible. For instance, how could your sentence, “certain races have statistically lesser gifts than others,” be tweaked, reworded?

    There might be an important point here. Both the left and parts of the right dwell much too much on statistical measures of collective performance between the races. The left (and most of the establishment for that matter) is absolutely obsessed with keeping score that minority representation in all important arenas is proportional to their population at large. For several generations now immense resources have been dedicated to closing these gaps… quite unsuccessfully I might add. Typically whiteprivilege, racism and bias are blamed for the gaps and everybody is exhorted to redouble their efforts and try harder. Recently the right has been responding, “Wait maybe it’s not primarily racism, bias & whiteprivilege that explain why groups as collectives are still performing differently, but rather innate differences between the groups on mean that result from having slightly different distributions of gifts & talents. The implication would be to lighten up and focus more on individuals rather than collectives. This is where I stand at the moment. The gaps we should be focusing on are between individual potential and performance rather than measuring individuals unrealistically against individuals of other collectives perhaps with quite different talents. Further to the right we find those who upon examination of statistically different distributions of intellectual talents, they conclude that this is a reason that groups might be irreconcilable incompatible or moreover that some groups are superior or inferior based on that single measure. I’m not quite convinced by this line of thought. What’s more it isn’t something I’m ready to consider because it would imply that perhaps segregation & a very difficult ethnic cleavage into separate societies would be best for all considered.

    So to return to your initial question about how rhetorically to express and consider different statistical measures of performance between different ethnic collectives… it might not be possible to consider without people belonging to the lower scoring groups taking it personally, feeling inferior and having hurt feelings about it. It’s easy to say separate your own individual self-concept from that of your collective. Perhaps there is an answer in deemphasizing intelligence as a measure of a man that our meritocracy & economy lately have been demanding to for admission to high status knowledge-work. Ultimately it’s about status and social mobility. If we can achieve some kind of respect, solidarity and egalitarianism in spite of the increasing rewards to knowledge-work that are stratifying our society, the status anxiety that is the source of so many of the current tensions between the classes and races might dissipate.

  211. @Opinionator
    Very interesting! Thanks. I had an experience over the weekend being on the receiving end of an advance by a woman in front of a third party. I can see how your theory of ambiguity, which I don't believe I've ever articulated, could sort of apply to my psychology at the time.

    I’d add, however, that I have a somewhat of a hard time seeing how a woman would allow an ambiguous situation of the kind you describe to lead to actual consensual sexual contact. There would be exit ramps along the way for her to “leave,” no? And probably an absence of third parties at that point?

    • Replies: @Romanian
    People are not rational, they are rationalizing. Situations create their own inertia. If there is ambiguity involved then, given the lack of consequences for sex with a stranger (yes, they got AIDS, but people don't think it can happen to them - you have birth control, or abortion, no ostracism for mating outside the group, no holding on to a virginity you might have already lost), why not go through with it as the path of least resistance? The whole point of the pushy Lothario is that he grabs you by the hand as you are nearing the exit ramp. So long as you never cross the threshold for screaming rape or clobbering him over the head or simply leaving and letting him rave about your racism, you might as well have sex with him and cross that off your list. Like giving a crying baby a breast to suckle on - it must come naturally. Your little secret to maybe titter about at some point with your closest friends.

    Isn't the new theory on consensus that you have to get an affirmation of it all the way through to the end, because it might end at any time? Even post factum?

    The feminists are not exactly wrong when they talk about women feeling forced. They might have blown it out of proportion, or took it as being unnatural, but sometimes there is a definite rapey dynamic going on, not just in Ayn Rand's Fountainhead, but also explicitly in older movies. And in culture. Abduction as precursor to willing coupling. I saw "Monte Carlo or bust" with Tony Curtis a few days ago. There is a scene where a sex crazy Italian basically forces a French woman into his room. The next day, she is blowing smooches at him. It's played for laughs.

  212. World is Diverse. It is made up of many races, cultures, values, and etc.

    Problem of Globalism is it tries to turn every nation into The World.

    This is a form of hubris!

    How can any nation be the world? It is what it is, no more and no less, and should preserve itself as such. In doing so, it also maintains the rich diversity of the world.

    It’s like nature. There is no need for an Amazonian forest to be like all the nature in the world. There is no need for desert in Arabia to be like the Arctic. There is no need for oceans to be like prairies and for prairies to be like oceans.

    Poland is Poland, and it should remain as such. Its laws and values should prioritize Polish identity, ethnicity, history, and culture. While Poland should be nice to non-Poles and be governed by rule of law, it is not just some globo-bureaucratic state but a nation rich in the story of a people. A culture is not just a manual or constitution. After all, three different nations can have the same constitution and still be different in culture and history.

    [MORE]

    Now, given that many Jews are globalists and seek to weaken Polish-National unity and resolve, they’ve used men like the black Mol to weaken Polishness. After all, if a very white nation bends over to someone as exotic and funky as Mol, why wouldn’t it bend over to the Glob? Funny thing about Globalism is it seeks to spread ‘white guilt’ even to whites who had nothing to do with imperialism or slavery.
    According to Globalism, if a Pole immigrates to America, he too is guilty of ‘slavery’. And if a black African, whose ancestors captured and sold slaves, immigrates to America, he too is part of Selma narrative.

    So, this Americanization of Polish morality is surreal. But then, Jews figured ‘white guilt’ is very effective in paralyzing whites in America. Why not try the same thing in EU? It seems to have worked remarkably well in places like Sweden that never colonized Africa. It worked less well in Poland, and good for the Poles. Still, ‘white guilt’ has sting even in white nations that never had black slavery because of Hollywood and Pop Music. Hollywood movies spread the iconography of the holy suffering Negro. According to this Narrative, no people suffered as much as Negroes(along with Jews), and no people are so magical and noble. So, the entire world weeps more for the Negro. Also, Pop Music has made Negroes cool-and-hip even in Europe, and Europeans think it’d be ‘unhip’ and ‘uncool’ not to bless and worship such a people who gave them rap and reggae.

    Anyway, it is a form of Hubris for any nation to be The World. No, it is just one nation among many other nations. We need national humility, not global hubris.
    While a nation has much to gain by trading and learning from the larger world, it is just one nation among many others, and it should not pretend to be the world.

    The New Britain tried this with massive immigration. The London Olympics featured UK as the World, but it was just a circus parody of the British Empire. It’s like, since the Brit elites lost the world empire, they have to create a mini-facsimile of lost glory in its homeland. UK looks less like a nation. Not even like a real empire. Just a ridiculous PC theme park that mixes ‘white guilt’ with neo-imperial grandeur. It’s one where the new elites are trained to be harry potters of the world.

    The result is a demoralized native populace and aggressive & nasty non-white populace.

    Btw, how did the British Empire end up? Why would such a model be imposed on a single nation?

  213. @Opinionator
    Very interesting! Thanks. I had an experience over the weekend being on the receiving end of an advance by a woman in front of a third party. I can see how your theory of ambiguity, which I don't believe I've ever articulated, could sort of apply to my psychology at the time.

    Was it an unwanted advance or one that you wouldn’t have wanted made in public, but would have welcomed in private? Details, please!

  214. @Autochthon
    That nonsense is mostly just Whiskey's goofy pathology. I cannot think of others among us who spout such nonsense. Any white man worth his salt is more than a match – physically, mentally, and otherwise – for any black man. Historical, empirical facts bear this out. The Battle of Rourke's Drift was not a fluke; the Battle of Isandlwana was.

    You are wrong sir & Whiskey is tragically correct.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Is black men's greater virility and superiority to white men how come the blacks dominate the planet and consistently crush whites whenever the two races do battle?
    , @bomag
    Whiskey's point is that getting tingly for the currently fashionable ethnic group is a mistake. Their continued existence relies on the maintenance of the welfare state, which probably isn't a good bet long term.
  215. @Romanian
    I'm sorry. I may have been too vague or unable to explain myself properly.

    When somebody attacks you or spits on you or insults you terribly, you can either attack him or leave him. You can do the same if someone makes a pass at you that triggers a strong rejection. But, if the "invasion" or crossing of the boundaries is ambiguous enough, then you enter a sort of middle state where you don't know what to do. You definitely sense that something is wrong but acting out as if something really is wrong might make you look like a fool in front of the other person, whom you do not know was actually trying to be "invasive" or in front of third parties. Such awareness is an important part of status games in human societies. Mol was using the threat of humiliation in front of a group with "shared norms" to blackmail peoples into acquiescence with whatever he wanted. So you are stuck there. Most people do not have the mental resources to extricate themselves deftly from such a position. Which leaves you vulnerable to whatever con you are targeted by.

    Sasha Baron Cohen did this in Borat. He was obviously making fun of those people he interviewed, but only from our perspectives as outsiders clued in. Those people would start to realize that something is wrong, but there was a grey area before they cut off the interview where they were uncertain whether to articulate it and act, therefore leaving themselves open to accusations and ridicule from Borat, his producers, their own peers or even themselves if they were neurotic.

    The same with these women. Some of them really wanted to sleep with him, sure. But others were at a crossroads - I want him to put a condom on, I don't really want to sleep with him, I have a boyfriend, Mol is not that attractive etc. He whipped out the race card and left their minds scrambled with indecision which a man will generally use as an opportunity to take the decision from them and let them lie back and think of Jan Sobiesky.

    Does that make it clearer? Aside from my limited intuition regarding the unfathomable sex, I have had a control group of one to run it by and I got an ok for a valid theory, which is as much certainty as one ever has with women.

    Funny anecdote - I experienced the same thing as a shy, bookish 12 year old. Or around that age. I was going with a small group to a summer camp (The Stag it was called), all of them older boys in high school (many stories there). Anyway, we were in the main railway station of Bucharest, coming from our hometown, to get a connection to our destination. A few of the boys put some money together and paid a really ewwww Gypsy woman who was in the station to come make aggressive passes at me while I was being bored on a bench (I don't remember a thing about her, except she wasn't too old, but can't tell if she was a beggar, prostitute, or general transport hub hustler). This was way before we even entered NATO, pre-growth spurt in the economy. Lots more poverty, no gadgets to shut it out. She came, sat down next to me, put her arm around me, started telling me things. I froze completely. Did not know what to do. I wasn't threatened, per se, but I was immensely embarrassed, especially with the group I was travelling with watching and snickering. It lasted until Mademoiselle the French language professor chaperoning us (26 years old) I had instantly crushed on came over, shooed the Gypsy woman away and took me under her wing. Which was even more embarrassing, since she started to check up on me very overtly. She wanted to impress her boss, my head teacher, who had promised my skeptical parents that, even if this was an older group and she wouldn't be the chaperone, everything would be hunky dory and that some time around outgoing kids and fresh mountain air would do me good. Mademoiselle took to scolding the older boys to not leave dirty magazines around the room because I was a kid (she was very liberal with these things), she checked up on me before lights out etc. I was never able to articulate a fuck off to either one of the parties - the Gypsy, the dolts playing tricks on me or the teacher who "emasculated" me. Which left me a passive agent to whatever they wanted to do. In my case, not an initiation into lovemaking by an older woman, but being taken shoe shopping to not leave me out of her sights while the other kids went partying around town on a day trip. The bitter end.

    “Sasha Baron Cohen did this in Borat. He was obviously making fun of those people he interviewed, but only from our perspectives as outsiders clued in. Those people would start to realize that something is wrong, but there was a grey area before they cut off the interview where they were uncertain whether to articulate it and act, therefore leaving themselves open to accusations and ridicule from Borat, his producers, their own peers or even themselves if they were neurotic.”

    Donald Trump was not taken by him and terminated the interview soon while Patrick Buchanan did not stop the interview soon enough.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    I don't even remember them in the movie, though I confess I wasn't paying much attention because it made me cringe badly, worse than Ali G did. Neither were Trump and, especially, Buchanan on my radar back then. 2006 was when I entered college. It was too early for me to have an awareness of Trump from The Apprentice and I did not like him very much later. He was basically the guy in the lobby from Home Alone 2, because they'd show that movie every year and run articles in TV schedule magazines on trivia regarding the family favorite movie. Who knew he'd emerge as an avatar of the West?
    , @grapesoda
    While Andy Rooney came across as a complete ungracious tool because he was already in on the ruse and didn't even try to play along. That was the beginning of the end for Borat/Ali G.
  216. @Daniel Chieh
    I would say that most people - both men and women - respond first and foremost to the limbic system. For some women, that probably would mean maximum virility at least during spikes of their period. But I don't think its anywhere close to universal; my white wife never found black men attractive at all, she told me. She was fairly traditional, though, and always wanted to be a housewife and nothing of rap culture would suggest that.

    Obviously she did racemix with me, though, so her inclinations toward white nationalism must not have been very strong. She mourns that our children won't have blue eyes, though.

    What race/ethnicity are you? Just curious. I assume some kind of South Asian. I’ve always been curious where half Asians will try and fit into the future racial American hierarchy. Half blacks have it easier, as it seems to be a modus operandi to claim blackness to non-black groups but to consider yourself higher class (Eric Holder etc) within the black community

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    I'm Han, I might have some Mongol admixture. I haven't actually checked my genes but we have been hereditary rulers since the Yuan days and we have a few random non-Han characteristics which suggest some form of minority admixture - I have darker skin than most Han, lack the double eyelid, and have slightly more body hair than most Han.

    Its also possible that one of my ancestors was a Siberian concubine since she's recorded as a "ghost bride", being the old word for white, pale-skinned women.

    I figure our kids will gravitate toward the Asian side especially if the West continues to implode. Its not much of a competition. The modern West doesn't offer any culture, it only offers cultural guilt. I can't see how they would want to buy into a culture of self-hate.

    I can't see how that'll be even healthy.

    I would want them to learn about classical Western culture if possible, though, for I truly loved that. At seven years old, I desired Sophocles and never stopped loving his themes.

  217. backup:

    “You do realize that nationalism is a 19th century European invention which basically is instrumental in what Europe became in the 19th century?

    I should have been more specific on what I mean. I think a better term of ethnocentrism. Nationalism is just an expression of ethnocentrism.

    Europe progressed the most actually before the era of nationalism that went from the Franco-Prussian war until WWII. If you look at Europe from the XIV century to the Enlightnment , that is when most scientific, cultural and artistic progress was made. Even the Industrial Revolution began before the nationalistic era began. Up to that point, Europe was composed of kingdoms and city-states in the case of Italy.

    The Renaissance meant exactly that: a Renaissance of Hellenic culture. Such culture emphasized logic, that every man has the ability to use reason and, of course, democracy which was a Hellenic invention. While democracy was not adopted in Europe until the Enlightnment in the XVIIIth century, the power of the kings was limited. An emphasis on individual freedom much greater than what was common in Asia allowed the flourishing of the arts and sciences.

    In the XVIIIth century, the bourgeoise class, which had become immensely wealthy since the discovery of the Americas through trade, finally financed revolutions throghout the continent to depose the kings and establish democracy. The bourgeoise realized that they all their money meant nothing without property rights, since kings and nobles could simply steal their wealth and murder them with impunity. Thus the bourgeoise financed the great democratic revolutions of the XVIIIth century.

    Thus, the modern state was born. Such state had the characteristics of equality before the law, property rights and individual freedom. This allowed the Industrial Revolution to happen, and Europe, which was already far beyond everyone else in the XVIIIth century, advanced so far beyond the rest of the World that in the XIXth century being “cvilized” meant basically being like Europeans.

    So, no, XIXth century European nationalism had *nothing* to do with Europe’s emergence as a cultural hyperpower. Europe was already ahead of everyone else in the XVth century much before the formation of modern nation-states, although China still compared favorably in some respects. In fact, nationalism destroyed Europe. This is an incontrovertible fact. The Napolenonic wars, the Franco-Prussian war and World War I and II resulted in total in almost 80 million Europeans being killed. All those wars were nationalistic wars.

    If you look, at the West, it is the *values* of the West that set it apart from everyone else. What are these values? These values are individualism and scientific rationalism, that ideas must be tested and based on evidence to be true. Allowing individuals to express themselves and follow their dreams is at the essensce of what made the West superior.

    Look at Asia and the middle east. At one point, they were ahead of Europe. What happened? Basically, in these societies there was no freedom. Religious clerics suppressed science at the penalty of death in Muslim societies. In China, the emperors micro-managed every aspect of society, not allowing any scientific invention without the emperor approving first. This resulted in fossilization of the culture.

    You guys want to “save” the West by making Europe and America become as ethnocentric as everyone else in the World, You do not realize the paradox in what you are proposing. You want to “save” Europe by destroying exactly that which made it special and better than everybody else, namely, individualism(anti-racism and anti-nationalism). By turning Europe into a bunch of closed, ethnocentric states, you are basically turning Europe into Song Dynasty China or Saudi Arabia. The irony!

    • Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski
    Bullshit.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    The Song were many things, but not particularly closed.

    It was probably the historically most prominent time for merchants in China and one of the best examples of early capitalism. Incidentally, the liberalism probably did much to weaken the Dynasty, as the vastly reduced military strength of the Song compared to the previous Tang might have shown. This was a feature of, not a bug of, a relatively egalitarian society but did not save us from incoming Jurchens or Mongols. As Spandrell notes in his blog Bloody Shovel, there is some irony in our women's liberation movement liberating them right into the slave brothels of the Jurchen.

    For a closed Chinese society: you're looking at second half of Ming or Qing dynasty with the ascension of Neoconfucian thought.

    , @Jason Liu
    You're overfitting to suit a libertarian narrative.

    Song Dynasty China was one of the most innovative periods in Chinese history. Ethnocentrism is what built nations in the first place. It is disingenuous to say that its excesses discount it entirely, not to mention rationalism and individualism are not mutually exclusive with ethnic homogeneity.
  218. @Anon
    One thing that is sure about this story... white women are addicked to Afro-dong.

    Feminism is turning into a matter of Speaking-in-Dongs.

    There’s actually little correlation between white female interest in black males and liberalism/feminism. Scandinavian women are the least interested in black guys and Slavic women are the most interested in black guys.

    It’s probably related to personality/temperament. Scandinavians tend to be introverts so at the evo psych level, they have little in common with black people.

    • Replies: @utu
    "Scandinavian women are the least interested in black guys and Slavic women are the most interested in black guys." - You got anything to support this claim?
    , @unpc downunder
    No formal studies, but think about it. Slavic women are over-represented in the western porn industry. Popular western culture portrays Slavic women as being blunt about sexual virility issues. Slavic culture is relatively liberal in regards to lesbian and bisexual behaviour among women, but is relatively conservative in regards to homosexual behaviour among men. Then there's the high percentage of Slavic women in London who are dating black guys.

    To actually prove what I'm saying you would need to a survey on bisexuality among sub-races of European females (bisexuality in females is correlated with sex drive). I'd rate Slavic women the most likely to be bisexual with Finnish women the least likely.
  219. @Lot
    Jews are officially stale pale at UMD now:


    The petitioners listed the communities of students that participated in the initiative this way: “Marginalized, American Indian, Black, Latinx, LGBTQIA+, Muslim, Pro-Palestine, Undocumented.” No Jewish group at the university signed the list of demands, which include a call for “the active encouragement of faculty and students to engage in discourse and learning about the Palestinians’ struggles and the Boycott Divest and Sanction movement without fear of consequences by the university administration.” The BDS movement is a Palestinian-led global campaign to put economic and political pressure on Israel, and it is opposed by many Jewish students.
     
    There are also no East Asian groups on board, rather it seems to be a black/Muslim/Latin group and the reference to dozens of student organizations in inflated by random fraternities that I bet do not even have local houses.

    The lack of NE Asian and Jewish talent kinda shows. Their website took 10 minutes to load, and demands include that one arm of the state government "divest" from another arm of the state government:

    University System of Maryland divestment from Maryland Correctional Enterprises, the prison industry arm of Maryland's Division of Corrections
     
    Overall the demands are for Muslim domination, with prayer rooms in every building and a tax-payer funded shuttle bus to off-campus Mosques. The other big thing that sticks out is the demand to create new jobs for the various signatories with 2.3 averages in their Social Work and African American Studies major.

    There is also a number of demands against free speech:

    Immediate response to hate speech or actions from the University including a consequence (e.g. mark on transcript, potential suspension);
     
    Overall, the number of Muslim demands dominate the list. "Black" and "Latinx" demands number only four each. The "Muslim Student Community Demands" are 12 and each one is a lot longer and more specific. For instance, ban the movie "American Sniper" from being shown on campus, and "More Zabiha options"

    The "LGBTQIA+" are very focused on the trannies, with multiple bathroom demands, a pronoun by all names demand (e.g., Steve Sailer (prefers he/him)).

    There are a number of those “I’m a muslima feminist who dances modestly at gay nightclubs and everybody loves my hijab there and fck white heterosexist cisgender patriarchy islam is the true feminism!” types where I live.

    • Replies: @Lot

    There are a number of those “I’m a muslima feminist who dances modestly at gay nightclubs and everybody loves my hijab there and fck white heterosexist cisgender patriarchy islam is the true feminism!” types where I live.
     
    Man you have a way with words, please comment more.
  220. @Frau Katze
    It's like the left has been energized by the Trump victory.

    I suspect we'll see more of this.

    I think it’s more inertia than some kind of new surge in such demands.
    2015 was the big year for such list of demands, I recall.

  221. @Anon 2
    Poland is obviously not perfect but it has surprisingly
    low indices of social dysfunction. For example, the
    HIV rate (2011) was as low as 0.1% in Poland (and
    Germany) in contrast to 1.1% in Russia and 0.6% in
    the U.S. The divorce rate is 27% in Poland, compared
    to 51% in Russia, and 49% in Germany. Homicide and
    abortion rates are extremely low. As they used to say
    about Chicago, it's a country that works. Right now Poland
    is hoping to increase its GDP (PPP) per capita from about
    $29,000 to $35,000.

    Affluence begets decadence, and it seems like once a country
    exceeds roughly $35,000 per capita, decadence and hedonism
    kick in and rates of social dysfunction begin to skyrocket, as they
    did in the U.S. a long time ago. Poland is not there yet, personal
    sacrifice is in fact seen as salvific in the sense that in Catholic
    theology suffering has meaning - it contributes to one's salvation.
    Even though Poland became an almost entirely Protestant country
    in the late 1500s, it reconverted, and "sola fide" is really not part of the
    culture. There is none of the "do what you will as long as you believe"
    mindset that guided Bill Clinton after he became a born-again Christian.
    Hedonism on the American scale is unlikely to take root in Poland in the
    near future. Suffering, sacrifice, and celibacy are still respected. For example,
    Poland still produces thousands of Christian missionaries, mostly priests and nuns,
    who go to places that are typically underserved in Africa or Asia, and bring the message
    of the Gospel to those who suffer

    Poland would be better served by those priests nuns getting married, having their own children, and teaching their spiritual and moral values (as well as a love of their nation and pride in their family and nation) to those children. What a waste to join the catholic clergy.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    The Orthodox don't have this problem, except with monks and nuns, but they are few (sometimes I think the women at least are very intelligent, but highly neurotic; makes you think that the nunnery as an institution might be a useful outlet to declaw the Catlady Ascendancy ruining the West). But the priests generally have more kids than the population's average. Two at least. I know one priest with five. I'm not sure what to say about their upbringing (I may be biased, but I know of religious couples who are into young Earth creationism), but it's not exactly dysgenic fertility. And the state schools get the kids eventually and the no-nonsense curriculum straightens them out. I'm afraid now of what the idiots in power are going to do to make us more enlightened - I've heard of a proposal for at least one year's worth of civics classes in high school to be taken up by multicultural studies. Back when I was in HS, after we learned about our political system in civics classes, we used the rest of the time for extra teaching on important subjects for exams (math, Romanian grammar and literature, physics etc, depending on what your civics teacher actually taught). Especially in the final year.
    , @Anon 2
    From the materialistic point of view, celibacy makes
    absolutely no sense, especially in our hedonistic age,
    except for the asexuals (about 1% of the population)
    who have no sex drive but are healthy otherwise, and
    are thought to constitute a significant percentage of
    the Catholic priests, monks, and nuns. About 2-3
    million Americans are asexual. In other words, they
    would never form families anyway so some of them
    enter a profession like priesthood or follow a monastic
    vocation where being asexual is not a problem. Also perhaps
    20% of Catholic priests are homosexual, so again they
    would not be eager to form families. The moral is
    simple: you cannot force people to be married and have
    children.

    What people need to know is that many Catholic priests
    have girlfriends or are secretly married, and have children
    with their girlfriends or wives while the bishop is looking
    the other way. So the whole picture is very complex.

    In the spiritual traditions of the world, whether yoga or
    Buddhism, for example, celibacy is regarded very highly.
    And anyone who's been married knows that marriage is
    overrated anyway, Americans, in fact, are abandoning the
    institution of marriage en masse

    , @Bies Podkrakowski
    Very materialistic position. And as is the case with materialist position it is rather shortsighted.

    The question is, when the priests and nuns marry and have children who is going to keep culture and its source - religion - alive? Raising children is time consuming job.
  222. @415 reasons
    This story really begs the question of why so many Polish women would want to have sex with this loser

    415, Maybe he was charming and caring and from the little bit of his writing on display in Steve’s post, he was well spoken. Hint my friend, the fastest way into a woman’s pants is through her ears. True.

  223. @utu
    "Sasha Baron Cohen did this in Borat. He was obviously making fun of those people he interviewed, but only from our perspectives as outsiders clued in. Those people would start to realize that something is wrong, but there was a grey area before they cut off the interview where they were uncertain whether to articulate it and act, therefore leaving themselves open to accusations and ridicule from Borat, his producers, their own peers or even themselves if they were neurotic."

    Donald Trump was not taken by him and terminated the interview soon while Patrick Buchanan did not stop the interview soon enough.

    I don’t even remember them in the movie, though I confess I wasn’t paying much attention because it made me cringe badly, worse than Ali G did. Neither were Trump and, especially, Buchanan on my radar back then. 2006 was when I entered college. It was too early for me to have an awareness of Trump from The Apprentice and I did not like him very much later. He was basically the guy in the lobby from Home Alone 2, because they’d show that movie every year and run articles in TV schedule magazines on trivia regarding the family favorite movie. Who knew he’d emerge as an avatar of the West?

  224. @Opinionator
    I'd add, however, that I have a somewhat of a hard time seeing how a woman would allow an ambiguous situation of the kind you describe to lead to actual consensual sexual contact. There would be exit ramps along the way for her to "leave," no? And probably an absence of third parties at that point?

    People are not rational, they are rationalizing. Situations create their own inertia. If there is ambiguity involved then, given the lack of consequences for sex with a stranger (yes, they got AIDS, but people don’t think it can happen to them – you have birth control, or abortion, no ostracism for mating outside the group, no holding on to a virginity you might have already lost), why not go through with it as the path of least resistance? The whole point of the pushy Lothario is that he grabs you by the hand as you are nearing the exit ramp. So long as you never cross the threshold for screaming rape or clobbering him over the head or simply leaving and letting him rave about your racism, you might as well have sex with him and cross that off your list. Like giving a crying baby a breast to suckle on – it must come naturally. Your little secret to maybe titter about at some point with your closest friends.

    Isn’t the new theory on consensus that you have to get an affirmation of it all the way through to the end, because it might end at any time? Even post factum?

    The feminists are not exactly wrong when they talk about women feeling forced. They might have blown it out of proportion, or took it as being unnatural, but sometimes there is a definite rapey dynamic going on, not just in Ayn Rand’s Fountainhead, but also explicitly in older movies. And in culture. Abduction as precursor to willing coupling. I saw “Monte Carlo or bust” with Tony Curtis a few days ago. There is a scene where a sex crazy Italian basically forces a French woman into his room. The next day, she is blowing smooches at him. It’s played for laughs.

  225. @Nick Diaz
    backup:

    "You do realize that nationalism is a 19th century European invention which basically is instrumental in what Europe became in the 19th century?

    I should have been more specific on what I mean. I think a better term of ethnocentrism. Nationalism is just an expression of ethnocentrism.

    Europe progressed the most actually before the era of nationalism that went from the Franco-Prussian war until WWII. If you look at Europe from the XIV century to the Enlightnment , that is when most scientific, cultural and artistic progress was made. Even the Industrial Revolution began before the nationalistic era began. Up to that point, Europe was composed of kingdoms and city-states in the case of Italy.

    The Renaissance meant exactly that: a Renaissance of Hellenic culture. Such culture emphasized logic, that every man has the ability to use reason and, of course, democracy which was a Hellenic invention. While democracy was not adopted in Europe until the Enlightnment in the XVIIIth century, the power of the kings was limited. An emphasis on individual freedom much greater than what was common in Asia allowed the flourishing of the arts and sciences.

    In the XVIIIth century, the bourgeoise class, which had become immensely wealthy since the discovery of the Americas through trade, finally financed revolutions throghout the continent to depose the kings and establish democracy. The bourgeoise realized that they all their money meant nothing without property rights, since kings and nobles could simply steal their wealth and murder them with impunity. Thus the bourgeoise financed the great democratic revolutions of the XVIIIth century.

    Thus, the modern state was born. Such state had the characteristics of equality before the law, property rights and individual freedom. This allowed the Industrial Revolution to happen, and Europe, which was already far beyond everyone else in the XVIIIth century, advanced so far beyond the rest of the World that in the XIXth century being "cvilized" meant basically being like Europeans.

    So, no, XIXth century European nationalism had *nothing* to do with Europe's emergence as a cultural hyperpower. Europe was already ahead of everyone else in the XVth century much before the formation of modern nation-states, although China still compared favorably in some respects. In fact, nationalism destroyed Europe. This is an incontrovertible fact. The Napolenonic wars, the Franco-Prussian war and World War I and II resulted in total in almost 80 million Europeans being killed. All those wars were nationalistic wars.

    If you look, at the West, it is the *values* of the West that set it apart from everyone else. What are these values? These values are individualism and scientific rationalism, that ideas must be tested and based on evidence to be true. Allowing individuals to express themselves and follow their dreams is at the essensce of what made the West superior.

    Look at Asia and the middle east. At one point, they were ahead of Europe. What happened? Basically, in these societies there was no freedom. Religious clerics suppressed science at the penalty of death in Muslim societies. In China, the emperors micro-managed every aspect of society, not allowing any scientific invention without the emperor approving first. This resulted in fossilization of the culture.

    You guys want to "save" the West by making Europe and America become as ethnocentric as everyone else in the World, You do not realize the paradox in what you are proposing. You want to "save" Europe by destroying exactly that which made it special and better than everybody else, namely, individualism(anti-racism and anti-nationalism). By turning Europe into a bunch of closed, ethnocentric states, you are basically turning Europe into Song Dynasty China or Saudi Arabia. The irony!

    Bullshit.

  226. @ogunsiron
    There are a number of those "I'm a muslima feminist who dances modestly at gay nightclubs and everybody loves my hijab there and fck white heterosexist cisgender patriarchy islam is the true feminism!" types where I live.

    There are a number of those “I’m a muslima feminist who dances modestly at gay nightclubs and everybody loves my hijab there and fck white heterosexist cisgender patriarchy islam is the true feminism!” types where I live.

    Man you have a way with words, please comment more.

  227. @Neoconned
    You are wrong sir & Whiskey is tragically correct.

    Is black men’s greater virility and superiority to white men how come the blacks dominate the planet and consistently crush whites whenever the two races do battle?

  228. @RadicalCenter
    Poland would be better served by those priests nuns getting married, having their own children, and teaching their spiritual and moral values (as well as a love of their nation and pride in their family and nation) to those children. What a waste to join the catholic clergy.

    The Orthodox don’t have this problem, except with monks and nuns, but they are few (sometimes I think the women at least are very intelligent, but highly neurotic; makes you think that the nunnery as an institution might be a useful outlet to declaw the Catlady Ascendancy ruining the West). But the priests generally have more kids than the population’s average. Two at least. I know one priest with five. I’m not sure what to say about their upbringing (I may be biased, but I know of religious couples who are into young Earth creationism), but it’s not exactly dysgenic fertility. And the state schools get the kids eventually and the no-nonsense curriculum straightens them out. I’m afraid now of what the idiots in power are going to do to make us more enlightened – I’ve heard of a proposal for at least one year’s worth of civics classes in high school to be taken up by multicultural studies. Back when I was in HS, after we learned about our political system in civics classes, we used the rest of the time for extra teaching on important subjects for exams (math, Romanian grammar and literature, physics etc, depending on what your civics teacher actually taught). Especially in the final year.

  229. @NC
    Law and Justice is only being pragmatic in that respect because it's absolutely essential that Catholicism reasserts itself. No middle ground, no half measures left. 50 years of a moral vacuum created a degenerate and morally broken people in Germany and the results of that are clearly playing out. I remember Steve writing 15 years ago about how the Dutch didnt need religion or traditional marriages because of their high iqs. How has that worked out for them, now that Mohammed is the most popular name in the Netherlands? No, it's just as Belloc said, Europe is the faith and the faith is Europe . Europe will return to the faith or Europe will perish.

    ” Europe will return to the faith or Europe will perish.”

    The Catholic Church is highly active in promoting mass immigration, and they’re not limiting their efforts to Christians, they’re quite pro-Islamic as well. And no, they’re not even trying to convert Muslims.
    It’s beyond bizarre to claim that a resurgence of Catholicism would do anything to preserve European nations…if anything, the opposite is probably true.

    • Replies: @HA
    "It’s beyond bizarre to claim that a resurgence of Catholicism would do anything to preserve European nations…if anything, the opposite is probably true."

    Oh, here we go again. First of all, to repeat a point I've made earlier, if Catholics in the pews had not decided, despite the screechingly loud protests of their ecclesiastical higher-ups, to more or less give up procreating, things would look a lot different now. Moreover, to the extent that any return to Catholicism would involve actually spitting out a kid now and then, then yes, a resurgence of Catholicism would indeed help "preserve European nations". If you fail to see at least that much, then you're beyond hope.

    Second, though you insist on denying it, the fact that non-Communist strains of Catholicism and Christianity in general (e.g., outside the realm of, say, the Jesuit order -- yes, that includes some of those currently residing in the Vatican -- or of East German churches, both of them scrubbed clean of anything that might possibly anger their Communist overlords) are doing about as much as anyone else to prevent the imposition of Islamic equivalence in particular, be that in LePen's base, or the resistance to Europhobia that Steve Sailer is eager to ascribe, in just-so-tale fashion, to one Simon Mol.

    That's not to say the situation isn't grim, but stuff like this has happened repeatedly throughout Europe's history, from Jacobin clerics, to Franco-Islamic alliances, to Protestants in general leaving it to Catholics and Orthodox to fight off the Turks for them (and indeed, like the French, colluding with the Ottomans against said Catholics and Orthodox). Sometimes it's the elites that drop the ball, and sometimes -- as in the case of self-extinction -- it's the people in the pews. Deal with it. It likely won't be the last time either happens.

    I'm also not predicting that things won't get better before they get worse, but if they are to get better, people who can foresee the catastrophes to come need to stop handing over yet another institution of Western civilization to the liberal/globalist left (in the way that they've already done with the media, with the universities, with arts and literature, etc.). You yourself admitted (or maybe it was the Austrian) that Petry and Hofer are basically squirming out of any religious rationale for their cause. If so, they have no one but themselves to blame, and the same goes for the rest of the Aspergery world of pundits who sympathize with them and steadfastly refuse to recognize the role of religion in building and sustaining Western Civ, for better and for worse.

  230. @Anon
    I think Western inclusion-delusion is both guilt-driven and pride-driven.

    The guilt-part is about how white folks had exploited and oppressed the dark folks.
    (Btw, how does this narrative work on Poland when Poland didn't colonize Africa and Muslim lands? Also, the theme of anti-imperialism was using nationalism to drive out white imperialists. Just how did it morph into white nations having to take in non-whites from 'liberated' white nations... and even non-white nations having to take in other non-whites? After all, BBC harshly condemned South African blacks for expelling Zimbabwean blacks. As for the New World, all that diversity there, esp in Latin America, was the result of imperialism, conquest, and slave trade.)

    But there is the Pride part. Some white people get a moral high from the fact that newcomers find Western Societies to be superior and more advanced. Consider how BBC glowed with pride about how Nigerians fled corruption and violence in their home country and found peace/success in the UK.
    So, in a way, the hidden consciousness of inclusion-delusion isn't much different from Old Imperialism. It's just another version of White Man's Burden.
    It used to be whites had to GO THERE to bring light of civilization to the 'savages'.
    Now, whites need to bring the 'savages' to the West to offer them the superior fruits of Western Civilization and 'western values'.
    In a way, Inclusion-ism even justifies Old Imperialism in a backhanded way and discredits the end of imperialism. After all, if imperialism was so awful, non-white nations should be doing wonderfully well since the evil whites are gone. But many got worse, and many of those people wanted to follow their former masters to the West. They said 'master, go home!' but then 'master, take me with you; I'd rather live with civilized master in master's land than with savage brethen in my own land.'

    http://dailynigerianews.naijamotherland.com/2016/01/01/nnom-bamgbose-and-institutionalisation-of-academic-corruption-in-nigeria/

    It went from push-imperialism to pull-imperialism.

    The latter is far worse for whites. When push-imperialism failed, whites could return home. But when pull-imperialism fails, whites have no home to run to. And when the dark folks are told to go back home, they won't. They will just burn down cities.

    Anyway, for the time being, so many virtue-signaling whites(even among Cons) love to bask in their 'noble' magnanimity of Inclusion. How nice it feels to have all those benighted non-whites come to White Nations and find the City of Gold, Law and Order, Peace and Harmony, and Prosperity and Opportunity. Surely, the new comers are so grateful and thankful, so filled with admiration for whites. Well, some are.

    But most newcomers(and esp their kids) soon come under the influence of PC that says Whitey is to blame for everything. And then, the gratitude fades away, and white hosts end up with nasty dark folks who ally with globalists and blacks to hate whitey.

    Anyway, for the time being, so many virtue-signaling whites(even among Cons) love to bask in their ‘noble’ magnanimity of Inclusion. How nice it feels to have all those benighted non-whites come to White Nations and find the City of Gold, Law and Order, Peace and Harmony, and Prosperity and Opportunity. Surely, the new comers are so grateful and thankful, so filled with admiration for whites. Well, some are.

    You’ve got it. Pride is the original sin.

    The multiculti/SJW left comprises post-Christian heretics who wallow in pride; they see themselves as saviors who rescue and redeem The Other, e.g. those who are oppressed by racism, sexism, Islamophobia, etc. The Other are tacitly assumed to have no agency; they are pawns to be handled by their betters. Only the vanguard can see the world for what it really is; only they can unite and lead the masses to build the shining city, the new Babel; only they can save the lost sheep.

    These heretics’ relationship with guilt is complex. On one hand, they use the obvious reality of human sin and imperfection as a blunt instrument to smash their demonized enemies, i.e. bad white people — all religions need a devil, remember.

    On the other hand, they know deep down that they are not really saviors, and their own sin gnaws at their hearts. The resulting real, personal guilt sometimes bursts out into words and acts of useless, often bizarre, self-denial and abnegation. Yet even here they usually respond with pride: they see themselves as the only humans evolved and enlightened enough to grasp the pervasiveness of racism/sexism/whateverism-ophobia, so their self-corrections are still used to signal their superiority.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    They're missing the Christian cycle of redemption (guilt - i.e. cognizance of sin, confession, faith, forgiveness, repentance, new life in Christ) like an amputee misses a limb. They grope around for it but lacking faith can never quite find it. Instead they try to invent artificial limbs that never quite feel right or get the job done.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    They pay for indulgences to save themselves, sire.

    https://www.amren.com/news/2017/01/guilt-relief-box/
  231. @German_reader
    " Europe will return to the faith or Europe will perish."

    The Catholic Church is highly active in promoting mass immigration, and they're not limiting their efforts to Christians, they're quite pro-Islamic as well. And no, they're not even trying to convert Muslims.
    It's beyond bizarre to claim that a resurgence of Catholicism would do anything to preserve European nations...if anything, the opposite is probably true.

    “It’s beyond bizarre to claim that a resurgence of Catholicism would do anything to preserve European nations…if anything, the opposite is probably true.”

    Oh, here we go again. First of all, to repeat a point I’ve made earlier, if Catholics in the pews had not decided, despite the screechingly loud protests of their ecclesiastical higher-ups, to more or less give up procreating, things would look a lot different now. Moreover, to the extent that any return to Catholicism would involve actually spitting out a kid now and then, then yes, a resurgence of Catholicism would indeed help “preserve European nations”. If you fail to see at least that much, then you’re beyond hope.

    Second, though you insist on denying it, the fact that non-Communist strains of Catholicism and Christianity in general (e.g., outside the realm of, say, the Jesuit order — yes, that includes some of those currently residing in the Vatican — or of East German churches, both of them scrubbed clean of anything that might possibly anger their Communist overlords) are doing about as much as anyone else to prevent the imposition of Islamic equivalence in particular, be that in LePen’s base, or the resistance to Europhobia that Steve Sailer is eager to ascribe, in just-so-tale fashion, to one Simon Mol.

    That’s not to say the situation isn’t grim, but stuff like this has happened repeatedly throughout Europe’s history, from Jacobin clerics, to Franco-Islamic alliances, to Protestants in general leaving it to Catholics and Orthodox to fight off the Turks for them (and indeed, like the French, colluding with the Ottomans against said Catholics and Orthodox). Sometimes it’s the elites that drop the ball, and sometimes — as in the case of self-extinction — it’s the people in the pews. Deal with it. It likely won’t be the last time either happens.

    I’m also not predicting that things won’t get better before they get worse, but if they are to get better, people who can foresee the catastrophes to come need to stop handing over yet another institution of Western civilization to the liberal/globalist left (in the way that they’ve already done with the media, with the universities, with arts and literature, etc.). You yourself admitted (or maybe it was the Austrian) that Petry and Hofer are basically squirming out of any religious rationale for their cause. If so, they have no one but themselves to blame, and the same goes for the rest of the Aspergery world of pundits who sympathize with them and steadfastly refuse to recognize the role of religion in building and sustaining Western Civ, for better and for worse.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  232. @NC
    Law and Justice is only being pragmatic in that respect because it's absolutely essential that Catholicism reasserts itself. No middle ground, no half measures left. 50 years of a moral vacuum created a degenerate and morally broken people in Germany and the results of that are clearly playing out. I remember Steve writing 15 years ago about how the Dutch didnt need religion or traditional marriages because of their high iqs. How has that worked out for them, now that Mohammed is the most popular name in the Netherlands? No, it's just as Belloc said, Europe is the faith and the faith is Europe . Europe will return to the faith or Europe will perish.

    “it’s just as Belloc said, Europe is the faith and the faith is Europe . Europe will return to the faith or Europe will perish.” – I agree with Belloc. But I do not think that Europe will return to the faith.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    “it’s just as Belloc said, Europe is the faith and the faith is Europe . Europe will return to the faith or Europe will perish.” – I agree with Belloc. But I do not think that Europe will return to the faith.

     

    That is in God's hands. We don't know. Revival can spring up afresh at any time; the Spirit blows where it will. All we can do, to paraphrase the wise sub-creation of one devout Christian who saw very bad times indeed, is to make the most -- to be faithful -- in the time that is given us.
  233. @unpc downunder
    There's actually little correlation between white female interest in black males and liberalism/feminism. Scandinavian women are the least interested in black guys and Slavic women are the most interested in black guys.

    It's probably related to personality/temperament. Scandinavians tend to be introverts so at the evo psych level, they have little in common with black people.

    “Scandinavian women are the least interested in black guys and Slavic women are the most interested in black guys.” – You got anything to support this claim?

  234. @Romanian
    Well, Mol worked his magic on the young and naive, who are more likely to be liberal even (especially) in uber-conservative countries. Romania is the same.

    So, when dealing with the Mols of the world, the cross-section of the Polish population that goes gaga for him and gets HIV skews overwhelmingly young and liberal. When dealing with Merkel, as in every low TFR society, the cross-section of the population driving the actual voting is older and more conservative, more likely (for better or worse) to be animated by longstanding grudges or loyalties etc. And, until you pass the "magic" threshold (long awaited by the colored and liberal youth) when the older cohorts start dying off rapidly, leaving the less numerous younger ones, the electorate will get older and more conservative. That is, unless you perform successful metapolitical warfare (activism directed at culture an values) and destroy their faith in their institutions (the Church, their military, their history).

    Romania is the same. The West may be under attack for the great deeds of their ancestors (imperialism etc), but the other countries are attacked over their perceived inferiority relative to their Western cousins (more uncouth, less developed economically which, through magical thinking and cargo cult economics, leads to social emulation for the sake of economic emulation). Romania has this. Unless they're Hungarians and therefore have an understandable grudge, I've never heard anyone talk as badly about Romanians as the Romanians do about themselves. And its a very long-running campaign of demoralization, like harassing somebody and then telling him "why don't you off yourself". Being good little Europeans and integrating into the EU superstate is our way of offing ourselves, a sort of "national death wish".

    “Well, Mol worked his magic on the young and naive, who are more likely to be liberal even (especially) in uber-conservative countries. Romania is the same.”

    Yes, but as you imply, they were eager to have liberal magic worked on them. There will always be those who hear the siren call of Mol and PEN and whatever other organization Soros is funding this week. To the extent that they make headway is not necessarily due to the merits of their cause (such as they are), but rather, the cravenness of those who ought to be opposing them. One can be opposed to racism and hatred and not necessarily “animated by longstanding grudges or loyalties” (though I get what you’re saying, and agree with it) and still not be surprised by how Mol’s story ended. To the extent that people on the right admit that longstanding grudges are really all that’s animating, they’ve already conceded the battle to the starry-eyed feelgoods.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    I think that true serenity is beyond most people and if your identity is going to have elements of rivalry in it, it might as well be some sort of dislike that stands the test of time and maybe enables you to work around it and have a normal life until it is finally resolved. A longstanding grudge implies that you have managed to survive and perpetuate your people and culture. It's something you can work with, as long as it is kept contained. It might even contain a kernel of wisdom by serving as a heuristic to remind you of danger and to be prepared. A bit like how I think most people naturally fear snakes. Epigenetics? Who knows? Cultural memory fits this. But the kind of grudges or loyalties formed by people in this day and age do not make sense as a survival tool. The whole leapfrogging loyalties thesis. You love the guy from Africa, but hate your next door neighbor. You presume the best of people who are not a thing like you and ignore evidence to the contrary, while saving your scorn and paranoia for your kin who don't have the same tastes or social standing. It is deeply divisive, which is why so many rulers appeal to an outside enemy to smooth over internal conflicts.

    Nothing against the Russian people, but is a little paranoia uncalled for? Is Serbian resentment of Kosovar Albanians uncalled for? And, knowing you are a target of resentment, is weariness and suspicion uncalled for in the other party? Every people who have fought over the same piece of land and one won and the lost, and maybe they had a rematch where the tides turned - it is justified for that history to breed longstanding unease, resentment, paranoia etc. Absent those, one might start to hate one's own people. Or to feel no affection for them.
  235. @AnotherGuessModel
    would white women still sleep around with nonwhites if white men carried out honor killings against white female race mixers or carried out acid attacks against them or against sexually promiscuous women?

    It can only be a brutal and "effective" (arguably ineffective, and a symptom of a profoundly dysfunctional culture) category in a specific cultural context. So I disagree that there is cognitive dissonance in this instance, because Western concepts of honor and shame are very different from ones where such violence is practiced.

    Note also that women play a prominent role in delegating and sanctioning honor killings and other punitive violence against other women, frequently their own flesh and blood. You may already know this, but it isn't explicit in your post, and it's significant, yet often overlooked.

    It can only be a brutal and “effective” (arguably ineffective, and a symptom of a profoundly dysfunctional culture) category in a specific cultural context. So I disagree that there is cognitive dissonance in this instance, because Western concepts of honor and shame are very different from ones where such violence is practiced.

    That’s right. Western concepts of honor involve punishment of the male interloper.

  236. @utu
    "it’s just as Belloc said, Europe is the faith and the faith is Europe . Europe will return to the faith or Europe will perish." - I agree with Belloc. But I do not think that Europe will return to the faith.

    “it’s just as Belloc said, Europe is the faith and the faith is Europe . Europe will return to the faith or Europe will perish.” – I agree with Belloc. But I do not think that Europe will return to the faith.

    That is in God’s hands. We don’t know. Revival can spring up afresh at any time; the Spirit blows where it will. All we can do, to paraphrase the wise sub-creation of one devout Christian who saw very bad times indeed, is to make the most — to be faithful — in the time that is given us.

  237. @Romanian
    I'm sorry. I may have been too vague or unable to explain myself properly.

    When somebody attacks you or spits on you or insults you terribly, you can either attack him or leave him. You can do the same if someone makes a pass at you that triggers a strong rejection. But, if the "invasion" or crossing of the boundaries is ambiguous enough, then you enter a sort of middle state where you don't know what to do. You definitely sense that something is wrong but acting out as if something really is wrong might make you look like a fool in front of the other person, whom you do not know was actually trying to be "invasive" or in front of third parties. Such awareness is an important part of status games in human societies. Mol was using the threat of humiliation in front of a group with "shared norms" to blackmail peoples into acquiescence with whatever he wanted. So you are stuck there. Most people do not have the mental resources to extricate themselves deftly from such a position. Which leaves you vulnerable to whatever con you are targeted by.

    Sasha Baron Cohen did this in Borat. He was obviously making fun of those people he interviewed, but only from our perspectives as outsiders clued in. Those people would start to realize that something is wrong, but there was a grey area before they cut off the interview where they were uncertain whether to articulate it and act, therefore leaving themselves open to accusations and ridicule from Borat, his producers, their own peers or even themselves if they were neurotic.

    The same with these women. Some of them really wanted to sleep with him, sure. But others were at a crossroads - I want him to put a condom on, I don't really want to sleep with him, I have a boyfriend, Mol is not that attractive etc. He whipped out the race card and left their minds scrambled with indecision which a man will generally use as an opportunity to take the decision from them and let them lie back and think of Jan Sobiesky.

    Does that make it clearer? Aside from my limited intuition regarding the unfathomable sex, I have had a control group of one to run it by and I got an ok for a valid theory, which is as much certainty as one ever has with women.

    Funny anecdote - I experienced the same thing as a shy, bookish 12 year old. Or around that age. I was going with a small group to a summer camp (The Stag it was called), all of them older boys in high school (many stories there). Anyway, we were in the main railway station of Bucharest, coming from our hometown, to get a connection to our destination. A few of the boys put some money together and paid a really ewwww Gypsy woman who was in the station to come make aggressive passes at me while I was being bored on a bench (I don't remember a thing about her, except she wasn't too old, but can't tell if she was a beggar, prostitute, or general transport hub hustler). This was way before we even entered NATO, pre-growth spurt in the economy. Lots more poverty, no gadgets to shut it out. She came, sat down next to me, put her arm around me, started telling me things. I froze completely. Did not know what to do. I wasn't threatened, per se, but I was immensely embarrassed, especially with the group I was travelling with watching and snickering. It lasted until Mademoiselle the French language professor chaperoning us (26 years old) I had instantly crushed on came over, shooed the Gypsy woman away and took me under her wing. Which was even more embarrassing, since she started to check up on me very overtly. She wanted to impress her boss, my head teacher, who had promised my skeptical parents that, even if this was an older group and she wouldn't be the chaperone, everything would be hunky dory and that some time around outgoing kids and fresh mountain air would do me good. Mademoiselle took to scolding the older boys to not leave dirty magazines around the room because I was a kid (she was very liberal with these things), she checked up on me before lights out etc. I was never able to articulate a fuck off to either one of the parties - the Gypsy, the dolts playing tricks on me or the teacher who "emasculated" me. Which left me a passive agent to whatever they wanted to do. In my case, not an initiation into lovemaking by an older woman, but being taken shoe shopping to not leave me out of her sights while the other kids went partying around town on a day trip. The bitter end.

    When somebody attacks you or spits on you or insults you terribly, you can either attack him or leave him. You can do the same if someone makes a pass at you that triggers a strong rejection. But, if the “invasion” or crossing of the boundaries is ambiguous enough, then you enter a sort of middle state where you don’t know what to do. You definitely sense that something is wrong but acting out as if something really is wrong might make you look like a fool in front of the other person, whom you do not know was actually trying to be “invasive”[,] or in front of third parties.

    You explained it fine the first time, but this is better. What you say goes a long way toward explaining why we have “statutory rape” laws.

  238. @Steve Sailer
    It shouldn't be that hard for somebody to invent a system to automatically soften the wrinkles of, say, the McLaughlin Gang on your new 4k TV.

    Like Autotune for T. V.? That would be incredibly hard because the images are moving, and T. V. puts out such an incredible volume of schlock. It would be like Photoshopping every single frame. The only case in which it would be worth anyone’s time would be for big budget movies.

    As an all-purpose solution the only thing they could do that would be practical is to put some type of filter over the entire broadcast.

    Btw take this kind of logic and apply it to every time someone says, “Yeah we’re just gonna automate X. Automation is going to take all our jerbs.” Yeah right, for sub-100 IQ people maybe. There is still going to be tons of work dealing with information, even more than before. Of course that is assuming that the current supply and demand climate will even exist. For all we know the future demands will go back to being food water and shelter.

  239. @Glossy
    By the way, the HIV transmission rate in cases of receptive vaginal intercourse is estimated at 0.05% to 0.3%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS#Sexual

    So to infect dozens of women one has to copulate with thousands. I'm assuming here that most of these encounters were one-night stands.

    There must be kids, lots of them.

    Seems like a pretty busy guy still to have time to boff all those Polish girls.

    In Poland Simon Mol wrote poems, founded a small theatre, and engaged in political campaigns for the rights of mostly African and Chechen refugees, anti-racism, anti-fascism and environmental protection. … with him filing reports to Amnesty International about the alleged institutional racism. … He became an advisor with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, a journalist of The Warsaw Voice, the secretary general of Association of Refugees in the Republic of Poland, the chief editor of “The Voice of the Refugee” … In 2005 he organized a conference with Black ambassadors in Poland to protest …

    He got asylum in 2000 and was arrested about 2007, so this whole history is in about 7 years.

    Does anyone else suspect that most of his above listed achievements were actually someone else’s work? In other words, someone else–or someones elses–runs the theater, organizes the political campaign, files the reports, writes the advice, confects the journalism, edits the newspaper, organizes the conference, etc. and Mol is just the front man (whose main actual activity happens to be snagging chicks)?

    Sorta like Obama (minus the chicks).

    • Agree: PV van der Byl
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I recall the case of ban HIV positive Iranian superstud in Sweden, a few years back, who called himself 'David Kimble' and who held an American passport. It was hypothesised, that the real David Kimble did exist and was likely murdered for his passport and identity.
    Anyhow, apart from having HIV, the imposter was undoubtedly a good looking man, (unlike Mol), and boffed - and infected - his way through an incredible number of Nordic women.
  240. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Anyway, for the time being, so many virtue-signaling whites(even among Cons) love to bask in their ‘noble’ magnanimity of Inclusion. How nice it feels to have all those benighted non-whites come to White Nations and find the City of Gold, Law and Order, Peace and Harmony, and Prosperity and Opportunity. Surely, the new comers are so grateful and thankful, so filled with admiration for whites. Well, some are.

     

    You've got it. Pride is the original sin.

    The multiculti/SJW left comprises post-Christian heretics who wallow in pride; they see themselves as saviors who rescue and redeem The Other, e.g. those who are oppressed by racism, sexism, Islamophobia, etc. The Other are tacitly assumed to have no agency; they are pawns to be handled by their betters. Only the vanguard can see the world for what it really is; only they can unite and lead the masses to build the shining city, the new Babel; only they can save the lost sheep.

    These heretics' relationship with guilt is complex. On one hand, they use the obvious reality of human sin and imperfection as a blunt instrument to smash their demonized enemies, i.e. bad white people -- all religions need a devil, remember.

    On the other hand, they know deep down that they are not really saviors, and their own sin gnaws at their hearts. The resulting real, personal guilt sometimes bursts out into words and acts of useless, often bizarre, self-denial and abnegation. Yet even here they usually respond with pride: they see themselves as the only humans evolved and enlightened enough to grasp the pervasiveness of racism/sexism/whateverism-ophobia, so their self-corrections are still used to signal their superiority.

    They’re missing the Christian cycle of redemption (guilt – i.e. cognizance of sin, confession, faith, forgiveness, repentance, new life in Christ) like an amputee misses a limb. They grope around for it but lacking faith can never quite find it. Instead they try to invent artificial limbs that never quite feel right or get the job done.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    Very well-said.

    Ultimately, no one of us can fully shut out this longing:


    I have seen the business that God has given to the sons of men to be busy with. He has made everything beautiful in its time; also he has put eternity into man’s mind, yet so that he cannot find out what God has done from the beginning to the end.

    Ecclesiastes 3:10-11
     

    , @AP
    Yeah, I'm struck abut how many secular or irreligious people follow various dietary restrictions, a parallel to traditionally religious folk who do so before Easter and Christmas.
  241. @Romanian
    It's the shamelessness that helps them. That's what most men don't get and can't get past when you see how crummy these Casanovas are. You are basically faking the devil may care attitude of the stereotypical high status man. Combine it with a pushiness to which many women don't have an effective psychological shield, that helps them get a lot of sex with female regrets after. Contrary to the most publicized examples, I think most women, even in the US, are not walking around ready to scream rape and ready to respond to a hard come on with a kick in the crotch. An ambiguous enough delivery will activate their overriding sense of not wanting to look like a fool or be embarassed publicly.

    It’s the shamelessness that helps them. That’s what most men don’t get and can’t get past when you see how crummy these Casanovas are. You are basically faking the devil may care attitude of the stereotypical high status man.

    True, and you’ve done a great job of articulating this and related points in this thread. However, it’s also true that he actually has high status (government backing) and, more importantly, is perceived as having super-high status. As Yggdrasil explained long ago, part of the attraction is the instinctual presumption that an alien man who walks among the natives with impunity must be a super-badass, or else the native men would have expelled, killed, or restrained him as the woman’s instincts tell her they have reason to do.

    The fact that a Cameroonian in Poland is especially saliently alien just adds to the presumption of super-badassitude.

    I can’t recall where Yggdrasil made this point, but his writings are a treasure trove, and I suggest you do some browsing.

    http://www.whitenationalism.com/

    • Replies: @Lurker

    As Yggdrasil explained long ago, part of the attraction is the instinctual presumption that an alien man who walks among the natives with impunity must be a super-badass, or else the native men would have expelled, killed, or restrained him as the woman’s instincts tell her they have reason to do.
     
    Jim Bowery has definitely made that point too,
  242. @utu
    "Sasha Baron Cohen did this in Borat. He was obviously making fun of those people he interviewed, but only from our perspectives as outsiders clued in. Those people would start to realize that something is wrong, but there was a grey area before they cut off the interview where they were uncertain whether to articulate it and act, therefore leaving themselves open to accusations and ridicule from Borat, his producers, their own peers or even themselves if they were neurotic."

    Donald Trump was not taken by him and terminated the interview soon while Patrick Buchanan did not stop the interview soon enough.

    While Andy Rooney came across as a complete ungracious tool because he was already in on the ruse and didn’t even try to play along. That was the beginning of the end for Borat/Ali G.

  243. @Moses

    Mass Third World immigration is very bad for Jews
     
    Erm...I guess that's why they work without rest to flood Euro-ethnic countries -- but not Israel -- with mass 3rd world hordes?

    Could you give an example of a Jewish person who is working to flood Europe but not Israel?

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Could you give an example of a Jewish person who is working to flood Europe but not Israel?
     
    A few that immediately spring to mind:

    Alan Shatter
    Barbara Spectre
    Anetta Kahane
  244. @RadicalCenter
    Poland would be better served by those priests nuns getting married, having their own children, and teaching their spiritual and moral values (as well as a love of their nation and pride in their family and nation) to those children. What a waste to join the catholic clergy.

    From the materialistic point of view, celibacy makes
    absolutely no sense, especially in our hedonistic age,
    except for the asexuals (about 1% of the population)
    who have no sex drive but are healthy otherwise, and
    are thought to constitute a significant percentage of
    the Catholic priests, monks, and nuns. About 2-3
    million Americans are asexual. In other words, they
    would never form families anyway so some of them
    enter a profession like priesthood or follow a monastic
    vocation where being asexual is not a problem. Also perhaps
    20% of Catholic priests are homosexual, so again they
    would not be eager to form families. The moral is
    simple: you cannot force people to be married and have
    children.

    What people need to know is that many Catholic priests
    have girlfriends or are secretly married, and have children
    with their girlfriends or wives while the bishop is looking
    the other way. So the whole picture is very complex.

    In the spiritual traditions of the world, whether yoga or
    Buddhism, for example, celibacy is regarded very highly.
    And anyone who’s been married knows that marriage is
    overrated anyway, Americans, in fact, are abandoning the
    institution of marriage en masse

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The Catholic Church typically doesn't pay priests well enough to afford a wife and kids. Catholics typically don't come close to tithing when the collection basket is passed around. My impression is that 2 or 3% of income is typical Catholic giving.
  245. bbz says: • Website
    @Daniel Chieh
    I would say that most people - both men and women - respond first and foremost to the limbic system. For some women, that probably would mean maximum virility at least during spikes of their period. But I don't think its anywhere close to universal; my white wife never found black men attractive at all, she told me. She was fairly traditional, though, and always wanted to be a housewife and nothing of rap culture would suggest that.

    Obviously she did racemix with me, though, so her inclinations toward white nationalism must not have been very strong. She mourns that our children won't have blue eyes, though.

    You know what will be the best possible outcome? For you and your wife’s ilk, and for people like Steve banon, kellyane Conway, and for Steve miller and the sjws to literally kill each other off and bleed themselves dry, like what happened between the Byzantines and the sasanids before the Arabs came to carve up the remains, of how the communists kept their powder dry and preserved their strenght while the KMT bled itself dry fighting against the Japanese, or how the best thing wei could have done was to let shu han and wu fight each other to oblivion, and swooping in later after both sides are exhausted.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    You should capitalize the first letter of both parts of a name. For example, "Steve banon" is correctly spelled and capitalized as "Steve Bannon."

    Good luck with the best possible outcome!

  246. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Why on God’s green earth was he ever allowed to come to, let alone remain, in Poland? He had zero business even being there. The Poles may someday look back fondly on the era of Russian suzerainty and the iron curtain. At least nobody got into their country and it remained Polish.

    • Replies: @AP
    Soviets also invited Africans in, but this was before the HIV epidemic in Africa achieved massive proportions. Had Communism survived longer its possible this would have happened too, although it would have been covered up.
    , @Romanian
    There were fewer Africans back then, more innate racism etc. But the Soviets were on their way, with Lumumba University and plenty of Third World students coming into Communist countries, some of them marrying and starting a family. Steve Sailer has written on how the Soviet project catalyzed an American response in the form of the center in Hawaii that mediated the blessed union between President Obama's parents.

    Romania was the same. Most of our Arabs studied here as students, maybe got a wife. You don't really see the reverse. The doctor from Syria and Palestine is a bit of a stereotype (there really are a lot of them). The founder of the Romanian emergency rescue services is a Palestinian who came here to study. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raed_Arafat

    He was the highest placed Muslim in government as Secretary of State, until the recently sworn government, which also includes a Muslima Vicepremier of Turkish-Tatar extraction. She's from our 200 year old community, but married to a Syrian with alleged ties to the Assad government, which caused a bit of a stink 2 weeks ago, when her party proposed that she become Prime Minister and the President refused. She's not a very well known figure, either, though she was Minister for Development some time ago. Supposedly competent, but a political nullity in thrall to her master, the mustachioed Liviu Dragnea, who cast former Prime Minister Ponta from the halls of party power in a coup.

    My shisha providers are a Pakistani and an Indian, both with Romanian wives. Others left with their Romanians wives and half-Romanian children. There are something like 20,000 mixed Syrian-Romanian families in Syria. We were among the few countries (only one in the EU I think) to keep our Embassy in Damascus open, specifically on account of our community there. There has been some harping about possible evacuations should Assad get trounced. Romanians aren't particularly ill disposed to any of them, but that is based on a sort of unwritten code, especially as pertains to conversions, secularism, respecting the hosts, respecting their wives (our women) and so on. Given our demographic situation, I am obviously bothered by Romanian wombs bearing the spawn of another culture, but feel no ill will to them personally. I'd like for our outbreeding to slow down though, especially with the swarthy set.
  247. @Desiderius
    They're missing the Christian cycle of redemption (guilt - i.e. cognizance of sin, confession, faith, forgiveness, repentance, new life in Christ) like an amputee misses a limb. They grope around for it but lacking faith can never quite find it. Instead they try to invent artificial limbs that never quite feel right or get the job done.

    Very well-said.

    Ultimately, no one of us can fully shut out this longing:

    I have seen the business that God has given to the sons of men to be busy with. He has made everything beautiful in its time; also he has put eternity into man’s mind, yet so that he cannot find out what God has done from the beginning to the end.

    Ecclesiastes 3:10-11

    • Replies: @Formerly CARealist
    Remember that 70's song? Ray Stevens, Everything is Beautiful...

    if you listen closely you'll hear it start out with children singing "Jesus Loves Me"
  248. @Romanian
    Well, Mol worked his magic on the young and naive, who are more likely to be liberal even (especially) in uber-conservative countries. Romania is the same.

    So, when dealing with the Mols of the world, the cross-section of the Polish population that goes gaga for him and gets HIV skews overwhelmingly young and liberal. When dealing with Merkel, as in every low TFR society, the cross-section of the population driving the actual voting is older and more conservative, more likely (for better or worse) to be animated by longstanding grudges or loyalties etc. And, until you pass the "magic" threshold (long awaited by the colored and liberal youth) when the older cohorts start dying off rapidly, leaving the less numerous younger ones, the electorate will get older and more conservative. That is, unless you perform successful metapolitical warfare (activism directed at culture an values) and destroy their faith in their institutions (the Church, their military, their history).

    Romania is the same. The West may be under attack for the great deeds of their ancestors (imperialism etc), but the other countries are attacked over their perceived inferiority relative to their Western cousins (more uncouth, less developed economically which, through magical thinking and cargo cult economics, leads to social emulation for the sake of economic emulation). Romania has this. Unless they're Hungarians and therefore have an understandable grudge, I've never heard anyone talk as badly about Romanians as the Romanians do about themselves. And its a very long-running campaign of demoralization, like harassing somebody and then telling him "why don't you off yourself". Being good little Europeans and integrating into the EU superstate is our way of offing ourselves, a sort of "national death wish".

    “I’ve never heard anyone talk as badly about Romanians as the Romanians do about themselves. And its a very long-running campaign of demoralization, like harassing somebody and then telling him “why don’t you off yourself”. ”

    Is this what some call a post-colonial attitude? Do you think other Eastern Europe countries experience the same or is the phenomenon older than the Soviet domination?

    And what about Finland. Do they have complexes with respect to Swedes and Western Europe?

    • Replies: @Romanian
    I don't know. I guess self-deprecating attitudes should be the norm as a coping mechanism? The strong do what they can, while the weak suffer as they must.
  249. @Steve Sailer
    It shouldn't be that hard for somebody to invent a system to automatically soften the wrinkles of, say, the McLaughlin Gang on your new 4k TV.

    Hasn’t Barbera Walters been using this for years? A trowel and a jar of Vaseline. Cheaper than a digital filter.

    And I think the hair stylist had the biggest challenges on the set of the McLaughlin Group (no offense Pat and John, R.I.P.)

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "My filter, please."
  250. @backup
    These Belorussians and Ukrainians, are they likely of Polish origin?

    Some Ukrainians and Belarusians who come to work
    and study in Poland may have some Polish heritage
    but most do not.

    Belarus is a relatively new country but it was part of the
    Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth for centuries, and for
    20 years between WW I and WW II. ‘Lithuania’ until
    the 19th century was much larger and mostly Ruthenian,
    i.e., East Slavonic. It included what today is called Belarus.

    When the Polish national bard Adam Mickiewicz wrote
    the stanza that every Polish child knows, “O Lithuania, my
    fatherland,”. (1834) he was actually referring to the area
    just east of Poland. The point is that during the 300 years
    of the Commonwealth, many Poles migrated into what is today
    called Belarus, and into Russia. It wasn’t only the Volga
    Germans who had responded to the lure of the East. Many
    famous Russians were descended from Polish nobility. The
    composer Igor Stravinsky (The Rite of Spring) is probably the most
    famous example. He bore a Polish coat of arms, could speak Polish,
    visited Warsaw many times, and in the 1920s sought to become
    a Polish citizen. His ancestral home in Ustyluh was in Poland
    during 1918-1939, and even today it’s right over the border from
    Poland

    • Replies: @AP

    Some Ukrainians and Belarusians who come to work
    and study in Poland may have some Polish heritage
    but most do not.
     
    Ukraine was part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth for centuries. The Ukrainian language, while an East Slavic language whose grammar and pronunciation is closer to that of Russian than to Polish, actually has more vocabulary in common with the Polish language than it does with the Russian (a rough analogy would be to the Germanic English language, which after Norman rule got lots of French words). Much is made of Polish influence in Galicia, but central Ukraine, was also heavily settled by Poles - estimated at 10% at the time of the partitions (ranging from Mazurian peasants brought in to settle areas that were sparsely populated, to petty nobles managing things) . These largely assimilated with the locals, peasants into peasants, petty gentry with petty nobles or Cossack officer families. The ethnic Ukrainian author Gogol, for example, had a Polish grandparent. Most Ukrainians don't have Polish ancestors whom they met, but they are very likely to have some from the 18th century.
  251. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Anyway, for the time being, so many virtue-signaling whites(even among Cons) love to bask in their ‘noble’ magnanimity of Inclusion. How nice it feels to have all those benighted non-whites come to White Nations and find the City of Gold, Law and Order, Peace and Harmony, and Prosperity and Opportunity. Surely, the new comers are so grateful and thankful, so filled with admiration for whites. Well, some are.

     

    You've got it. Pride is the original sin.

    The multiculti/SJW left comprises post-Christian heretics who wallow in pride; they see themselves as saviors who rescue and redeem The Other, e.g. those who are oppressed by racism, sexism, Islamophobia, etc. The Other are tacitly assumed to have no agency; they are pawns to be handled by their betters. Only the vanguard can see the world for what it really is; only they can unite and lead the masses to build the shining city, the new Babel; only they can save the lost sheep.

    These heretics' relationship with guilt is complex. On one hand, they use the obvious reality of human sin and imperfection as a blunt instrument to smash their demonized enemies, i.e. bad white people -- all religions need a devil, remember.

    On the other hand, they know deep down that they are not really saviors, and their own sin gnaws at their hearts. The resulting real, personal guilt sometimes bursts out into words and acts of useless, often bizarre, self-denial and abnegation. Yet even here they usually respond with pride: they see themselves as the only humans evolved and enlightened enough to grasp the pervasiveness of racism/sexism/whateverism-ophobia, so their self-corrections are still used to signal their superiority.

    They pay for indulgences to save themselves, sire.

    https://www.amren.com/news/2017/01/guilt-relief-box/

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    Indulgences and penances; Lord have mercy.
  252. @correctionsofficer
    That's clearly not what I'm saying, work on your reading comprehension.

    It's not "white women with black men is a sign of how far western civilization is falling" type comments I'm talking about. I.e. Miscegenation destroys decent homogeneous nations, which I agree with.

    My point is that here at isteve (and from what I can tell far more common here than the rest of the alt right) is a type of commenter who says things, to paraphrase, are along the lines of "white men cannot hope to compete with more masculine black men. They will take and impregnate all the white women and the race will be doom to extinction." I just wondered why, if there are actually people who believe this stuff or if isteve for some reason truly attracts the concern troll/wearedoomed crowd, and why they are here instead of other alt right comment threads

    “That’s clearly not what I’m saying, work on your reading comprehension.”

    No, it wasn’t clear. Work on your writing clarity.

    My point is that here at isteve (and from what I can tell far more common here than the rest of the alt right) is a type of commenter who says things, to paraphrase, are along the lines of “white men cannot hope to compete with more masculine black men. They will take and impregnate all the white women and the race will be doom to extinction.”

    You talking about two or three posters: Whiskey, Andrea Ostrov (or whatever her/his name is) – maybe one other.

  253. @inertial
    Metternich said that Asia begins at the Landstrasse, which is a road outside of Vienna. This means that Poland, Hungary, and Slovakia are excluded from Europe. Czechia is included but only because at the time Bohemia was a German domain with Czechs merely subject people.

    Then the Prince was wrong.

  254. This seems like an example of “Peak LibNarrative” in the timeline of western civilization’s decline. Truly an exemplar of the weaponization of white guilt, SJW-fetishizing of 3rd world cultures, mau-mauing by opportunist predator ingrates and the rejection of basic survival instincts by Europeans.
    It should be in a textbook as a case study.

  255. @ben tillman

    It’s the shamelessness that helps them. That’s what most men don’t get and can’t get past when you see how crummy these Casanovas are. You are basically faking the devil may care attitude of the stereotypical high status man.
     
    True, and you've done a great job of articulating this and related points in this thread. However, it's also true that he actually has high status (government backing) and, more importantly, is perceived as having super-high status. As Yggdrasil explained long ago, part of the attraction is the instinctual presumption that an alien man who walks among the natives with impunity must be a super-badass, or else the native men would have expelled, killed, or restrained him as the woman's instincts tell her they have reason to do.

    The fact that a Cameroonian in Poland is especially saliently alien just adds to the presumption of super-badassitude.

    I can't recall where Yggdrasil made this point, but his writings are a treasure trove, and I suggest you do some browsing.

    http://www.whitenationalism.com/

    As Yggdrasil explained long ago, part of the attraction is the instinctual presumption that an alien man who walks among the natives with impunity must be a super-badass, or else the native men would have expelled, killed, or restrained him as the woman’s instincts tell her they have reason to do.

    Jim Bowery has definitely made that point too,

  256. @Ivy
    Europeans may recall Talleyrand's quote about how Europe begins at the Pyrenees. Don't recall if he had any eastern boundary in mind, but might have excluded the Visegrád Group (Poland, Czechia, Hungary and Slovakia), for example, even though the Hapsburg influence was in force and there was a lot of culture there.

    How small would Europe become with an EU breakup, especially after Brexit and with a potential Frexit or Italeave? Which Europeans will decide to conserve their history and values, and to reject the Mols of the world and their fellow travelers?

    A lot of people have difficulty dealing with the
    fact that Poland is so much in the news, which is
    understandable because Poland as a state basically
    vanished for almost 200 years – from 1795 (Third
    Partition) to 1989 (Overthrow of Communism)
    except for the 20 year interwar period. Poland would
    have contributed a lot more to science, art, and music
    if that had not been the case. Of course, it still managed
    to contribute people of genius, like Chopin in music,
    Joseph Conrad (Korzeniowski) in literature, Bronislaw
    Malinowski in anthropology, and Stefan Banach in
    mathematics.

    However, during its long 1100-year history, Poland
    was fundamentally involved in European affairs, and
    not just because it had to save Europe at least twice
    (1. King Sobieski coming to the rescue of Vienna on 9/11
    1683, and Pilsudski in 1920 saving Europe from being
    overrun by Communism, specifically by the Soviet Red
    Army). In the 1500s imports of Polish grain were feeding
    the inhabitants of the British Isles, which meant there was
    a continuous stream of merchants and diplomats between
    Poland and London. Poland Street in the Soho district of
    London is there for a reason – it received this name due to
    such contacts and a Polish community established in London
    500 years ago. Conversely, thousands of people from the
    British Isles settled in Poland centuries ago, e.g., tens of
    thousands of Scots

    • Replies: @AP
    One of the leaders of the Cossack (Ukrainian) uprising against the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth was of alleged Scottish ancestry, as well:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maksym_Kryvonis
  257. @Opinionator
    I’m guessing that the type of woman who’s screwing with an African footballer is on the pill.

    What type of woman is on the pill?

    If this is a serious question then I’ll give you a serious answer. Women go on the pill for two reasons: to avoid getting pregnant and/or to control their cycles. A woman on the the pill does not equal a promiscuous woman. But a promiscuous woman is almost certainly on the pill.

    Are we cool?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    Incidentally, being on the pill causes significant and potentially permanent masculinization of the person.
    , @Opinionator
    Yeah, we are. It was a serious question.

    So if one encounters a woman on the pill, what is the probability she is promiscuous?
  258. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Very well-said.

    Ultimately, no one of us can fully shut out this longing:


    I have seen the business that God has given to the sons of men to be busy with. He has made everything beautiful in its time; also he has put eternity into man’s mind, yet so that he cannot find out what God has done from the beginning to the end.

    Ecclesiastes 3:10-11
     

    Remember that 70’s song? Ray Stevens, Everything is Beautiful…

    if you listen closely you’ll hear it start out with children singing “Jesus Loves Me”

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    Interesting.

    FWIW, there are no words in the Bible that haunt me more than 'He has made everything beautiful in its time'. Trying to traverse this misty crest of thought leads off into profundities of which we indeed see neither the beginning nor the end.

    , @Formerly CARealist
    Oops, I messed up. It's not "Jesus Loves Me" at the beginning, it's "Jesus Loves the Little Children".

    Anyway it's a hippie song that captures a little bit of truth, like so much of the hippie worldview.
  259. @Anon87
    Hasn't Barbera Walters been using this for years? A trowel and a jar of Vaseline. Cheaper than a digital filter.

    And I think the hair stylist had the biggest challenges on the set of the McLaughlin Group (no offense Pat and John, R.I.P.)

    “My filter, please.”

  260. @Anon 2
    From the materialistic point of view, celibacy makes
    absolutely no sense, especially in our hedonistic age,
    except for the asexuals (about 1% of the population)
    who have no sex drive but are healthy otherwise, and
    are thought to constitute a significant percentage of
    the Catholic priests, monks, and nuns. About 2-3
    million Americans are asexual. In other words, they
    would never form families anyway so some of them
    enter a profession like priesthood or follow a monastic
    vocation where being asexual is not a problem. Also perhaps
    20% of Catholic priests are homosexual, so again they
    would not be eager to form families. The moral is
    simple: you cannot force people to be married and have
    children.

    What people need to know is that many Catholic priests
    have girlfriends or are secretly married, and have children
    with their girlfriends or wives while the bishop is looking
    the other way. So the whole picture is very complex.

    In the spiritual traditions of the world, whether yoga or
    Buddhism, for example, celibacy is regarded very highly.
    And anyone who's been married knows that marriage is
    overrated anyway, Americans, in fact, are abandoning the
    institution of marriage en masse

    The Catholic Church typically doesn’t pay priests well enough to afford a wife and kids. Catholics typically don’t come close to tithing when the collection basket is passed around. My impression is that 2 or 3% of income is typical Catholic giving.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes, utu
    • Replies: @Anon 2
    True, but Catholic priests come in contact with
    a lot of beautiful women, and an unmarried but well-educated
    man who is a pillar of his community is catnip to many of them.
    If he wants to act on it, he'll encounter v. little resistance, and these
    days women can easily support themselves, they don't need his
    money. My impression is that this happens more often in the
    Mediterranean, Latin American, and African countries. I read that
    in Africa it's expected of Catholic priests to be "married" and have
    kids while the bishops look the other way. An unmarried man who
    holds an office is regarded as abnormal, hence cannot be an
    example to his community
  261. @Formerly CARealist
    Remember that 70's song? Ray Stevens, Everything is Beautiful...

    if you listen closely you'll hear it start out with children singing "Jesus Loves Me"

    Interesting.

    FWIW, there are no words in the Bible that haunt me more than ‘He has made everything beautiful in its time’. Trying to traverse this misty crest of thought leads off into profundities of which we indeed see neither the beginning nor the end.

  262. @Daniel Chieh
    They pay for indulgences to save themselves, sire.

    https://www.amren.com/news/2017/01/guilt-relief-box/

    Indulgences and penances; Lord have mercy.

  263. Not sure if someone said this already, but Poles are pro EU because:

    1) They get a lot of cash
    2) They can dump their surplus unemployed population on other countries (up till now Britain)
    3) They get a lot of remittances from people working in Western Europe (again mostly Britain) at two or three times Polish wages (often whilst committing multiple forms of benefit fraud)

    So they’re just acting in their less-than-100% enlightened self-interest (which is obviously better than the suicide cult of liberalism).

    Anyway, now post-Brexit, France and Germany will have to deal with hundreds of thousands of Polish migrants. We’ll see how it goes.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    Add the Romanians too. I'm not ashamed to admit that it was part of the package of the EU honeypot. Though I would disagree with the benefit fraud. 90% of Poles in Britain are gainfully employed. And the nature of EU migration is such that most workers leave their families at home, where the money helps even more, so they are not such a drag on the system. And I might sound like a broken record, but there is a certain tribe which is very clannish and is involved in criminal activities and has not assimilated to the minimum European cultural norms. And it skews the statistics. The working classes are, to borrow an Americanism, non-Gypsy Europeans. With exceptions.

    Ultimately, while exporting our unemployment prevented social conflict, it also lessened the pressure for reform and has now become a huge demographic issue that segues into an economic issue related to the sustainability of public pensions and other social services in a rapidly aging and demographically diminished society.

    If I could, and I might get an earful if somebody reads this, I would cap intra-EU labor migration or eliminate it altogether.
    , @Anonymous

    Anyway, now post-Brexit, France and Germany will have to deal with hundreds of thousands of Polish migrants. We’ll see how it goes.
     
    Most of the Polish migrants are gainfully employed. You may not like that but it means that somebody needs them there. Also, British companies have had access to the Polish (and other Eastern European) markets for a long time. It benefits them, too.

    I also heard recently that Poland now pays a considerable amount into the EU budget. Unfortunately, I don't have the full info on this, I apologize, but I did hear something along the lines that they are not just a recipient.

    And then the big question is how many of those migrants will return. Not all, but possibly around 20% will.