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From Foreign Policy:

India’s Liberal Expats Are Modi’s Biggest Fans

Decades of work have left the BJP firmly in command of diaspora voters.
BY SOUMYA SHANKAR | MAY 7, 2019, 3:52 PM

… As the marathon general elections play out in seven phases across the country, many of the 4 million nonresident Indians (NRIs) in the United States are setting aside work and family to campaign for their favorite candidates….

With the growing influence of the Indian diaspora in the United States, how it votes at home matters. The 4 million Indian Americans are the wealthiest and most educated ethnic group in America

You hear all the time that Indians are the “wealthiest ethnic group,” but a few quibbles:

– the cited references are always to studies of “income” rather than of “wealth,” which are two quite different concepts. Wealth can be studied from well-known resources such as the Forbes 400, but in the U.S. mainstream press, that’s just not done.

– Government studies leave out a famous ethnic group due to 1950s pressure from that group to not be counted

– A recent Pew study by religion came out with a different result for highest income group

– Nonetheless, Indian Americans tend to be quite high income, even if the “wealthiest” stuff is basically a smokescreen

—with a median income almost double that of an average American household.

The community pumped well over $10 million into U.S. presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign….

In U.S. politics, people of Indian origin skew Democratic—77 percent of the community voted for Clinton in the 2016 race. In a dichotomy that has left many scholars puzzled, a large number of them are supporters of right-wing politics in India.

… According to Sangay Mishra, an assistant professor of political science at Drew University and author of Desis Divided: The Political Lives of South Asian Americans, the traditional voter base of the BJP merges well with the current demographic makeup of the Indian diaspora. “People likely to vote for BJP are middle-class and upper-caste Hindus,” he said, adding that they are also the majority of emigrants. “The BJP has always been a strident nationalist position, and within that you see a particular variant of Hindu nationalism, which has a peculiar kind of appeal for this section of the diaspora.”

According to Swain, it is only natural that the diaspora would align with a right-wing nationalist ideology back home owing to their “professional backgrounds in information technology and the computer sciences, with almost no training in the humanities.” …

Recently, External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj addressed NRIs from around the world, promising them a right to remote voting, a desperate concern for and key demand of the diaspora. …

The Congress party, the BJP’s main opponent, has been relegated to minimal influence among the diaspora, except for the Gulf countries, where it has a far wider influence due to the presence of the vast Muslim and Christian populations from the southern states of Tamil Nadu and Kerala in these regions. …

The post-independence Congress government under the leadership of Jawaharlal Nehru followed a conscious policy of “active disassociation” with the Indian diaspora, based on the dangers of nurturing and advocating for the diaspora at the cost of their host countries’ sovereignty.

That was naive, Jawaharlal! Didn’t you know it’s racist for the indigenous of the host countries to have any objections to any unfair activities of immigrants?

 
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  1. They vote BJP because they are Indian nationalists, and they vote Dem because the Dems are the non-white nationalists in America.

    Indians are the biggest threat to America and to the West by far. Unfortunately this will fall on deaf ears.

  2. anonymous[386] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    To vote here they have to become a US citizen. But my understanding is India doesn’t allow dual citizenship and they have to surrender their voting privileges there to do it, although they still can have the rest of the rights of citizenship with the PIO card.

  3. songbird says:

    Heavens! I just hope we don’t start fighting India’s wars.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Cato
    , @Lugash
  4. Jason Liu says:

    Minorities always lean left. It’s in their interest. That includes white minorities in places like South Africa.

    That said, the article exaggerates. There is a dangerous groundswell of liberal Indians both in India and abroad who despise Modi and want “western values”. India’s elites are also unusually liberal for a developing country. So if nationalistic Indians want Modi or someone similar to remain in power, they need to crush the buds of liberalism right now while India is still relatively rural and conservative.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Ed
  5. Moses says:

    Why Do Indian-Americans Vote Right at Home and Left in the USA?

    Maybe because nationalist policies benefit their racial/ethnic group at home in India where they are the majority, but lefty anti-nationalist policies benefit their racial/ethnic group in America where Whites are (for now) the majority?

    Just a crazy guess.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Anon
  6. L.D. says: • Website

    “Why Do Indian-Americans Vote Right at Home and Left in the USA?”

    Well, for exactly the same reason that Jews are conservative/right wingers in Israel but leftists/liberals in the West: being a “conservative” means wanting to conserve what you see as yours, not what belongs to others. So you conserve what belongs and you and you’re generous/liberal with what belongs to others – unless you’re White, of course.

    • Agree: Malcolm X-Lax
  7. Hail says: • Website

    A recent Pew study by religion came out with a different result for highest income group

    As the survey-takers do not control for [1] race, and [2] region, we are left with false/inflated patterns, and the whole study is, to some (theoretically calculable) degree, just a proxy for those two things.

    region

    I understand a large share (majority?) of U.S.-resident Hindus live in BosWash (esp. New York metro area) and California, where salaries are high (but prices are too).

  8. @Hail

    It must lead some to question their faith when they’re being out-earned in the temporal realm by “Nothing in particular”.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @SFG
  9. Hail says: • Website
    @songbird

    That’s not Hindus’ m.o. —

    That strategy, in fact, has been copyrighted, reserved in the USA and its territories for the semi-exclusive use by a certain group, which I will not name out of decency, which preaches a form of racial supremacy.

  10. My impression is that most Indian-Americans come from families that had and have a LOT of money back home. So “wealthiest” may be accurate.

  11. The post-independence Congress government under the leadership of Jawaharlal Nehru followed a conscious policy of “active disassociation” with the Indian diaspora, based on the dangers of nurturing and advocating for the diaspora at the cost of their host countries’ sovereignty.

    Jawaharlal Nehru, educated at Harrow and Cambridge during the Edwardian era, was, as he once said, “The last Englishman to rule India.”

    “Non-interference in the sovereign affairs of nations” was a phrase much used by the non-aligned bloc of countries, a neutralist movement founded by Nehru, China’s Chou En Lai, Egypt’s Nasser and Yugoslavia’s Tito. China still dusts off the phrase and uses it periodically in various foreign policy statements.

    It must have appealed to Nehru’s very English sensibilities, as a form of fair-play and decency.

    It all ended in tears between Nehru and Chou when India discovered, two years too late, that China had occupied a chunk of India’s territory in the remote high Himalayas, and they went to war in 1962.

  12. Anon[150] • Disclaimer says:

    Here’s an interesting thought.

    Subcons seem to be rapidly rising in America, in wealth, power, and numbers. In the last 10-12 tears, they’ve become notably better represented in positions of visibility, especially in corporate C suites, media, politics, punditry, and even entertainment (tv and movies). Some have suggested that Jews are secretly behind this push.

    Perhaps Jews like the idea of creating a highly successful subgroup that’s highly visually discernible. Indians take the spot light off Jews.

    More importantly, if America goes belly up and the public begins looking for an ethnic group to blame, Indians can be thrown to the wolves. If there’s one lesson that Jews have learned from history, it’s that you never want to the most visibly successful ethnic group, especially if your ethnicity is highly in involved in nefarious schemes which are pauperizing the native citizenry.

    So recruit and advance another ethnic group with a distinctive physical appearance. When stuff hits the fan, make that ethnic group the “fall guy.”

    Another benefit of recruiting another ethnic group is that they won’t feel any loyalty to the native citizenry. So if Jews make Indians the “number two” in the elite, Indians are unlikely to rebel against Jewish perfidy towards American Gentiles. Indians have no problem cooperating with the Jewish agenda because America isn’t their homeland.

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • LOL: IHTG
    • Replies: @Alden
  13. trelane says:

    Why do Indians vote Left in the USA? Ingroup ethnic identity.

    All politics is about identity. Minority identities vote against the ingroup majority. Thus, the Indian minority votes against the right majority of whites.

    All identity is political. The term “identity politics” is redundant since identity is political and politics is merely an expression of identity.

    Do we need more Indians in the USA? Probably not.

    • Replies: @Anon
  14. The Ds are the right-wing party in America.

  15. istevefan says:

    Without getting into casting ethnic or racial aspersions, it comes down to mindset. Your mindset is not always the same. It can change depending on place, time and circumstances.

    For example, look at the difference in our mindset when we are renters versus when we become homeowners. Little things you don’t notice, or care about suddenly turn into trips to Lowe’s to figure out how to replace a saddle valve. Does a renter even know what a saddle valve is, or why it is prone to go bad?

    Most people have a mindset change when they move to a place they know is not theirs.

    • Agree: GermanReader2
    • Replies: @Svigor
  16. anon[253] • Disclaimer says:
    @Moses

    Voting is how you harm your enemies.
    In India the lower castes are the enemy- vote Right.
    In America white Americans are the enemy – vote Left.
    They are consistently voting in their own tribal interest to harm their enemies.

  17. Hail says: • Website
    @Oleaginous Outrager

    The income gap between Atheists and Agnostics on one hand, and Nothing In Particulars on the other, is notable and interesting.

    Though I fear this, too, may be a simple race-and-region proxy, with White urban-metropolitanites a lot more likely to say “Atheist” or “Agnostic.” (When is the last time you’ve heard a Black self-identify as an “Agnostic”? That seems pretty much a White phenomenon.)

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
  18. Modi is a right wing politician.
    Does anybody have any idea on how many Indians are in relationships with Whites Americans. I think it is very high. Many Indian men I know are married to White women.
    My first wife was an Indian and 3 of her brothers were either married to White or Hispanic women.
    Most Indians are Democrats and Indian origin politicians and professors are pretty much far left equaling the ((Tribe)). Anyway, Indian Americans and other Asians along with the Tribe are our future overlords.
    Majority of the Indians are supporters of open borders and India has enough population to make entire continent of Europe and America Indian majority.
    Kamala Harris and a Congresswoman Jaypal from Washington is a far left activist who became famous after preventing the deportation of Somalis.

  19. Off topic but kind of interesting thread. Noticed this tweet because it was retweeted by the always diligently jewish Jake Tapper.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  20. Anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    Long long time reader of Mr. Sailer. Weighing in for the first time. Am Indian American.

    I can say from personal experience that I have, quite literally, NEVER met an Indian American who is pro Modi but pro standard SJW US liberal (in other words, increasingly the current democratic party), and that’s a stronger and stronger trend as time moves forward. And I’m fairly certain I interact with far more of the pro Modi contingent than the academic desis whose sole goal in life is to ape the intellectual NIMBY SWPL crowd’s pablums and summarily write these articles.

    To wit: the conflation of “Hillary Clinton’s campaign donations” with “pro-Modi” people in the article is misleading at best and asinine at worst. You’ll note that they state:

    “In U.S. politics, people of Indian origin skew Democratic—77 percent of the community voted for Clinton in the 2016 race. In a dichotomy that has left many scholars puzzled, a large number of them are supporters of right-wing politics in India.”

    …without ever defining what a “large number is” and whether that forms a fairy mutually exclusive group. You’ll also note they never interview any of these supposed “trad US liberal pro Modi” Indians that supposedly exist en masse. The remaining 23 percent of the Indian community that is right wing US could easily be sending the lion’s share of foreign funding to the BJP. Anecdotally I can attest to the fact that it appears that that share is growing.

    As an aside, readers of this blog should already understand that any number greater than 0 for that latter group would be considered “a large number”.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @bored identity
  21. JohnnyD says:

    Many of my fellow Jews have been doing this for the past fifty years. I think it’s part of being an insecure minority in a country founded and built by white Christians: no matter how successful you become, you can’t get over the fact that your ancestors didn’t build this country.

    • Agree: Hail
  22. Anon[150] • Disclaimer says:
    @L.D.

    This is only true if you believe that Republicans want to “conserve” America more than the Democrats. I see no evidence of this.

    Both parties do almost nothing to “conserve” anything in America.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  23. Ian Smith says:
    @Hail

    Being an atheist makes you even more of a pariah among black people than being a Republican.

  24. GSH says:

    I’m an Indian immigrant (though Canadian, rather than American). Ironically, the real reason that Indian immigrants don’t vote conservative is because most desire to assimilate into America, rather than stay separate.

    From my perspective, Indians voting left is entirely because the university-educated American elite is extremely left. Indian immigrant culture is very strong on education, and seeing higher education as the path to success. The stereotype of pushing your child to either become a doctor, or marry a doctor, is very real. Indian immigrants aspire to see their children become university graduates, ideally with multiple degrees.

    That’s the culture that most Indians aspire to, want to become part of. Ordinarily, this isn’t such a bad thing, especially with the emphasis on hard work and study to reach that. However, the current university culture has pretty much made voting right beyond the pale. Thus when Indians align themselves politically with the university culture, they end up voting left as well.

    I believe that many Indian immigrants hold conservative beliefs, certainly more that the dedicated white progressive left. But so long as voting conservative is “just not done” in university circles, Indians will not vote conservative. The need to assimilate into the desired culture is stronger than the beliefs they hold.

  25. Anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/turkish-voters-in-germany-turn-away-from-spd-a-916927.html

    90 percent of German-Turks intend to vote in the German elections in late September

    … the poll shows that 43 percent plan to cast their votes for the center-left Social Democratic Party (SPD) — compared to 50 percent in 2009 — 22 percent for the Green Party and 20 percent for Chancellor Angela Merkel’s center-left Christian Democrats, up from 11 percent during the last election.

    https://www.thelocal.de/20180625/majority-of-turks-in-germany-are-like-the-afd-says-leading-green-mp

    The former leader of the Green party, Cem Özdemir, on Sunday compared the large number of Turkish citizens in Germany who voted for Recep Tayyip Erdogan in Turkey’s election to far-right voters.

    … Erdogan scored a much better result among Turks living in Germany than he did domestically. After over 70 percent of the votes in Germany had been counted, the strongman had 65.8 percent of the vote share, clearly ahead of his nearest rival Muharrem İnce, with 21.5 percent of the vote in Germany.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  26. Anon[150] • Disclaimer says:
    @Moses

    Really? So Republican policies tend to hurt Indians?

    Given their income profile, Republicans are by far the superior option for Indians. Tax cuts usually help the affluent.

    • Replies: @Moses
    , @RonaldB
  27. Anonymous[863] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jason Liu

    Totally true. The AAP party was a creation by these Westernized liberal elites, similar to podemos in Spain or maidan in Ukraine.

    It was almost like a color Revolution, and was supported by left liberal elites in India as well as their allies in the new York times etc.

    Like the Jews, is only a matter of time before Hindu Americans turn against Hindu nationalism. American Jewish liberals like j Street are the biggest anti Zionist cheerleaders, traitors to the core.. I’m sure a few more decades of democrat brainwashing will do the same to Hindu Americans.

    • Replies: @RonaldB
  28. references are always to studies of “income” rather than of “wealth,” which are two quite different concepts. Wealth can be studied from well-known resources such as the Forbes 400, but in the U.S. mainstream press, that’s just not done.

    For this, finally, we thank you.

  29. @Hail

    As Steve points out, when you find a similar chart with respect to wealth, not income, please let us know. It’s a very big difference.

    • Replies: @Hail
  30. peterike says:

    Good lord. I would expect American academics to spew completely clueless nonsense on this question of Indian voting, but not so much Indian academics. It’s all extraordinarily simple.

    Indians are, much more so even than the Chinese, the Jews of Asia. As such, they vote the same as Jews: what’s good for the Indians? If the answer would be “killing every white person on earth,” they would be fine with it, as long as it was good for the Indians.

    Sooo, since aggressive nationalism is the best form of government for EVERY nation on earth, they are in favor of it in India. But since aggressive nationalism in America would be detrimental to their natural parasitism, they are against it. I mean… why is this hard for anyone to grasp? It’s like if I offered you two choices:

    A. Vote to get cancer
    B. Vote to not get cancer

    A sane person would choose B. Indians choose B. Chinese choose B. Jews choose B. A very large percentage of whites choose A. That’s the complete explanation.

    According to [Ashok] Swain, it is only natural that the diaspora would align with a right-wing nationalist ideology back home owing to their “professional backgrounds in information technology and the computer sciences, with almost no training in the humanities.”

    Lol! So our boy Ashok — “a professor at Uppsala University, Sweden,” lol! — is uber virtue signalling here. See, what happens is, those Indians that do get “training in the humanities” become incredible mega-Progressives when they live in the West, and they virtue signal like crazy about it, because Indians are born virtue signallers. And they even become Leftists in terms of politics back home. While those deplorable Indians (from Swain’s perspective) who go into the icky world of technology are only run-of-the-mill Leftists when they live in the West, rather than foaming-at-the-mouth Progressives like Swain. And horrible nationalists at home. But Swain is just spewing what he thinks his Western audience wants to hear.

    So the bottom line is simply that ANY Indians living in Western nations are troublesome Asians and there should not even be ONE living in America, much less four million (and I’m sure that number is way, way low).

    • Replies: @jbwilson24
  31. Why do we call Indians in the US “Indian-Americans?”

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Mr McKenna
  32. peterike says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Indians are the biggest threat to America and to the West by far. Unfortunately this will fall on deaf ears.

    I hear ya.

  33. Svigor says:
    @istevefan

    Well, sort of. Jews run America and they do the exact same thing. It’s ethnocentrism (that’s a fancy word for racism, for you first-time readers).

    It’s the same reason the Indians are pushing the Jews out of the diamond business.

    But you do have a point, in that faux leftism is good for you as a minority in the diaspora, and rightism is good for you as a majority at home. Taken together, they’re the two wings of ethnic supremacism.

  34. Anonymous[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @L.D.

    Well, for exactly the same reason that Jews are conservative/right wingers in Israel but leftists/liberals in the West: being a “conservative” means wanting to conserve what you see as yours, not what belongs to others. So you conserve what belongs and you and you’re generous/liberal with what belongs to others – unless you’re White, of course.

    I think you’re a bit out of date on this one. Diaspora Jews may have consistently voted for leftist parties in the past, but from what I understand, they’ve largely switched allegiance to centre-right parties in every country other than the USA. Which isn’t to say they’re shouting from the rooftops in favour of the indigenous English and French having an ethno-state like they get to have in Israel, but the loudest diaspora Jews tend to be from the left, so it can skew perceptions, as does the fact that the farthest left Jews are overwhelmingly to found in the USA.

  35. @Hail

    The 4th branch of Judaism (Orthodox-Conservative-Reform-Unitarian) is that far down on the list?

  36. J.Ross says: • Website

    The US had a training program that brought Afghans over here to become pilots. They’ve stopped it. The reason they stopped it is half the Afghans went AWOL in the US and we don’t know where they are.
    But keep your eyes open for those Phantom Nazis.
    https://www.wnd.com/2019/05/afghan-pilot-training-ends-after-almost-12-go-awol-in-u-s/amp/

    • Replies: @Mon avis
  37. Svigor says:
    @Hail

    It’d be nice to see Jewish sub-groups broken out, once in a while. I suppose ultra-orthodox Jews as a whole are dragging down, say, Reform Jews, as a whole, in this context.

    I’d also like to see something that didn’t just arbitrarily cut off at “100,000+,” Which isn’t exactly all that high for total household income.

  38. Cato says:
    @songbird

    Heavens! I just hope we don’t start fighting India’s wars

    Well, to the extent that Israel’s enemies are India’s enemies, we’ve already started. Like 30 years ago.

    • Replies: @Anon
  39. How did THE NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN HISTORIC MAJORITY ever manage to survive when there were hardly any Hindu “Americans” in OUR America?

    Answer:Quite well THANK YOU!!!……..In 1969…when there were hardly any Hindus in OUR America…..and America was 90 percent NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN….America placed two Alpha Native Born White American Males on the Moon….10 more after that……

    On Nov 3….2020…Hindu “Americans” will be voting to make sure that this never happens again when they pull the lever in the voting booth for South Asian POTUS Kamala Harris…

  40. Anon[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Why do we call Indians in the US “Indian-Americans?”

    Yeah, if they are not citizens, or at least permanent residents, they should just be Indians (or Indian expats). I think the confusion with Native Americans may be behind the inaccurate hyphenated term.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  41. Ed says:

    People tend to respond to appeals that boost the supremacy of their ethnicity. The Yankee whites are really unique in terms of humanity in that they’re the only group I can think of that actively downplays and even punishes its members for exhibiting any ethnic or racial chauvinism. I’d add the Brits but the Brexit vote brought out a wave of English nationalism. Then there’s Scottish nationalism and the N. Ireland issue.

    • Replies: @Anon
  42. Alden says:
    @Anon

    Sounds good to me. But why not the Chinese?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Mon avis
  43. Hail says: • Website
    @Mr McKenna

    And as for measuring wealth. Consider these two methods:

    Possession of some bank account digits and/or pieces of paper entitling you to x y and/or z property — vs. — partial ownership, by merit of inheritance, of a nation of one’s own; being a link in an ethnocultural chain of past-to-present-to-future. (When that nation has a NW-European supermajority and values, this is a great form of wealth indeed.)

    Count me among those who consider the latter the more important form of wealth.

    (A figure named Curt Doolittle is today actively promoting this idea under the branding “Propertarianism;” the Nation as Property, the nation as in need of assertive property-rights protection.)

    As for Hindu elites in the USA, such as there are (and there are many), they will always be guests in an ethoncultural sense and therefore ‘poor’ in an important sense. Maybe ‘caste’ thinking allows them to get past this to a great degree, I don’t know.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Mr McKenna
  44. Ed says:
    @Jason Liu

    This rings true although I don’t think white South Africans lean left the Democratic Alliance which leans more to the right than the ANC controls Cape Town based on the majority white and Coloured population

    My Indian FB friends from business school appear to be anti-Modi.

    • Replies: @Mon avis
  45. – A recent Pew study by religion came out with a different result for highest income group

    Roman Catholics have a profile almost identical to the US as a whole. We must be the most American group!

  46. Alden says:
    @Hail

    Household income for Americans is usually one or 2 adult earners. Household income for immigrants can be for as many as 15 earners in one 3 bedroom house. 15 immigrant dishwasher earn as much as one dr.

    And is the income earned income, unearned income or various forms of welfare?

    Household income provides little information about the finances of immigrant households.

  47. Hail says: • Website
    @Anon

    people of Indian origin skew Democratic—77 percent of the community voted for Clinton in the 2016

    The remaining 23 percent of the Indian community that is right wing US could easily be sending the lion’s share of foreign funding to the BJP. Anecdotally I can attest to the fact that it appears that that share is growing.

    Where would Sikhs fall?

    Where would Muslims from India (like the smarmy Fareed Zakaria) fall?

    Indian-origin Christians? (i.e., of multi-generational Christian ancestry in India), of which I believe there is a disproportionate share in the USA.

    As for measuring religion directly, there is the issue of subtracting Hindu-converts from the Hindu total. (e.g., Tulsi Gabbard’s full-White mother [b.1946] and Tulsi Gabbard herself [b.1981] who are Hindus with no Hindu ancestry at all).

    Is it possible those of core Hindu ancestry were quite a lot lower than 77% Clinton?

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
    , @Anon
  48. @JohnnyD

    Your comment rings true.

  49. MBlanc46 says:

    They came here to feed on the carcass. Of course they support the feed-on-the-carcass party.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  50. Hail says: • Website
    @JohnnyD

    can’t get over the fact that your ancestors didn’t build this country.

    A case can be made for extending that narrative back a lot further than fifty years.

    To relate it back to Hindustan, the same may explain Muslim hostility to Hindus and Hindu civilization, and maybe anywhere there is a Muslim minority:

    We didn’t build this.”

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  51. KunioKun says:

    I would rather live in Brazil or Africa than have to see Indians or Asians pretend to be Jewish.

  52. indocon says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Agree with you wholeheartedly. Indian Americans today whether they are first or second or whatever generation, mostly are upper caste variety, their ancestors instituted the most successful and efficient apartheid like system also known as the caste system. They could do that to deplorables now:)

    India prior to the advent of cast system around 500+BC was the most advanced civilization of the time by far, they had toilets in their homes back then!! India after that has turned out to be the most underachieving civilization, but that has not dented the fortunes of the upper casts who have just gone from licking the back of one invader to the other. After independence in 1947 they have finally found themselves at the top of power pyramid and have played all the cards to entrench themselves up there. What the article failed to mention is that Congress party back in the day was dominated by upper castes, today it is BJP that is dominated by upper castes.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  53. DB Cooper says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Absolutely. India has been exporting its poverty to the rest of the world for quite some time now. These people are bullshit artists par excellence.

    • Replies: @Mon avis
  54. Mon avis says:

    We need to reject dual citizenship, and deny citizenship to anyone who has ever petitioned the US government on behalf of another country, or has campaigned for any foreign politician.

    There is no such thing as an “Indian-American”, “Chinese-American”, “Cuban-American” etc. You are either an American, or you are an Indian, Chinese, Cuban, Mexican or what have you. If you ever get involved in the politics of your home country or even care who is running that country, you are not an American. Pack your bags and move the F back to your real country.

    Indians are the new Jews, imminently corruptible, clannish and loquacious. Only the first generation major in CS, because they need that H1b. Most are not good programmers. Their children gravitate towards law, politics, medicine and finance, like the Jews. Just like the Jews, Indian doctors are good at medicare frauds. They are the Jews’ favorite new puppets because they are much easier to control than the blacks: a little smarter but still dumb enough to be easily led, less violent, worship whites a whole lot more than the ungrateful blacks, don’t know the difference btwn Jews and whites most of the time, and if they do tend to worship Jews because they’re now in power, like Nikki Haley and all the SV Indians.

  55. DB Cooper says:
    @Hail

    Indian-origin Christians are mostly Dalits (formerly known as untouchables) converted to Christianity to escape Hinduism. Majority of them came here under sponsorship from churches.

  56. Lot says:
    @Hail

    “A figure named Curt Doolittle is today actively promoting this idea under the branding “Propertarianism;” the Nation as Property”

    Seems like common sense to me. Hans-Hermann Hoppe wrote something like that in his futile quest of getting libertarians to oppose mass migration of people who will vote for statism (and make the natives want a stronger state to protect them from migrant crime.)

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  57. @GSH

    However, the current university culture has pretty much made voting right beyond the pale. Thus when Indians align themselves politically with the university culture, they end up voting left as well.

    You could assimilate to independent thinking, too.

    But so long as voting conservative is “just not done” in university circles, Indians will not vote conservative. The need to assimilate into the desired culture is stronger than the beliefs they hold.

    Yeah, well, gaysex is fashionable lately too in university circles, but I hope that isn’t a reason to join into poopdick.

  58. DB Cooper says:
    @PiltdownMan

    “It all ended in tears between Nehru and Chou when India discovered, two years too late, that China had occupied a chunk of India’s territory in the remote high Himalayas, and they went to war in 1962.”

    That area was never part of India nor Raj’s territory, for the simple reason that it sits on a plateau on the other side of the Himalayan watershed and is extremely difficult to go there from India because of the forbidding terrain but easy to go there from China’s side. In fact China was able to build a road there and for two years without India ever knowing. India only ‘discovered’ the road when some Indians read about it in a magazine published by China. Then all of a sudden India cry foul accusing China of trespassing on ‘India territory’.

    Nehru was certainly “The last Englishman to rule India.” because he sure acted like one. The moment the Raj left Nehru immediately continue the Raj’s nonsense of land grabbing and bullying. Today India has invaded and land grabbed every single of its neighbors and this is the reason India is hated by all its smaller neighbors. In 1951 Nehru invaded China and annexed South Tibet and occupy it to this day. If you can’t find South Tibet on a map it was made a state and renamed to Arunachal Pradesh in 1987.

    Nehru was quite a disgusting fellow and a bullshit artist. His daughter Indira was even more ruthless.

  59. Lugash says:
    @songbird

    Well, if they were to nuke Abbottobad I wouldn’t shed any tears.

    • Replies: @RonaldB
  60. @PiltdownMan

    It must have appealed to Nehru’s very English sensibilities, as a form of fair-play and decency.

    Ha ha, that was a good one. You should headline at the Comedy Cellar.

  61. @Anon

    Both parties do almost nothing to “conserve” anything in America.

    It’s not the government’s job to conserve anything. It’s our job, and it’s their job to allow us to.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    , @donut
  62. DB Cooper says:
    @PiltdownMan

    ““Non-interference in the sovereign affairs of nations”. India is definitely very interfering on its smaller neighbors. The smaller the country, the tighter the strangle hold. Don’t believe me ask the Nepalese, Sikkimese, Sri Lankans, Bhutanese..etc.

  63. India has something that Canada has, but not the United States, the United Kingdom, or New Zealand.

    English as an official language.

    When you have to enact “official language” laws, that’s a sign your country is messed up from the start. It really can’t be fixed.

    (Though I understand Maori actually is official in New Zealand. But the Maoris themselves no doubt think their country has been messed up for the last 200 years!)

  64. The Tamils and other Dravidians fought like blazes to keep English official in India. They knew full well the northern Hindus would never lift their mother tongues to equal status with Hindustani.

  65. Anon[388] • Disclaimer says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Like that Punjabi POS immigrant Preet Bharara (… ♫…he’s got Uncle Fester eyes…♫)

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
  66. Anon[307] • Disclaimer says:
    @GSH

    Am Indian American (commented above).

    “I believe that many Indian immigrants hold conservative beliefs, certainly more that the dedicated white progressive left. But so long as voting conservative is “just not done” in university circles, Indians will not vote conservative. The need to assimilate into the desired culture is stronger than the beliefs they hold.”

    But how many of those are pro-Modi but also pro-US style clintonian liberal? It’s just weird to me that a group that is somewhat hostile to Islamic grievance minority politics in India is somehow cool with the same sort of Islamic grievance politics in the US where they live. To me, that has to be shown/proved, not hand-waved at as though it were putatively true as this quoted article does.

  67. @Desiderius

    Are you ever right about anything?

  68. Ragno says:

    UrbaneFrancoOntarian is correct. The myth of friendly Apu is just that: the typical Hindoo in North America is more your Jeet Heer/Nathan Rambukkana type. Just what we need: more umber-hued untermensch convinced by (((someone or other))) that they own the place.

    Alas the days of annual body counts at the Indian Day Parade, once the Hindoos and the Pakis went at it, are long gone. They’re hip enough to close ranks against Whitey here and save their murderous vendettas for when they’re back home.

    You’ll have to pardon my saltiness but I just now read that story of (((Theo Epstein))) banning the white fan for making the ‘ok’ sign*, and I’m momentarily looking for a war to fight.

    *= https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/05/08/chicago-cubs-investigating-fan-who-appeared-flash-white-power-sign-air/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d8115a18eb86

  69. Anon[307] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    “Where would Sikhs fall?

    Where would Muslims from India (like the smarmy Fareed Zakaria) fall?

    Indian-origin Christians? (i.e., of multi-generational Christian ancestry in India), of which I believe there is a disproportionate share in the USA.

    As for measuring religion directly, there is the issue of subtracting Hindu-converts from the Hindu total. (e.g., Tulsi Gabbard’s full-White mother [b.1946] and Tulsi Gabbard herself [b.1981] who are Hindus with no Hindu ancestry at all).

    Is it possible those of core Hindu ancestry were quite a lot lower than 77% Clinton?”

    I see where you’re going here, and it’s certainly possible, but the article strongly implies that it is pro-Modi Indians who are pro-Clinton. It would be strange to me if Indian Muslims were pro-Modi. It’s possible they’re Christian convert Indians. It’s definitely possible that a large swath of pro-Modi acolytes are Sikh.

    But it’s most likely that the group of pro-Modi Indian is Hindu in origin, and as I said, I’ve yet to find a single Indian American that’s pro-Modi but then also pro NIMBY SJW Clintonian liberal. They simply don’t go together.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  70. Ibound1 says:

    Hindu Indians hate Pakistanis and Pakistan. That is all there is to their “right wing-ness”. In what other way are they “right wing” either here or there? It sure is not because they believe in a free middle class society of political equals, with a limited government that doesn’t order everyone around. That is not India. But they sure hate Pakistanis and Pakistan. Not that I blame them. Pakistan seems like a complete Islamic mental case of a nation – sending over terrorists to India every so often. When India and Pakistan finally go at it, the most liberal Indians will be cheering on the nuking of Islamabad.

  71. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Why do we call Indians in the US “Indian-Americans?”

    Because, as I’m sure you’ve heard before, Everyone in the World is an American.

    Some of them just haven’t gotten here yet.

    • Agree: The Anti-Gnostic
    • Replies: @stillCARealist
  72. @Hail

    Count me among those who consider the latter the more important form of wealth.

    For the sake of argument, what do you mean by “important”? And what if the first form discovers that it may subsume and disenfranchise the second? What then?

  73. Wilkey says:

    Conservatism is about defending a country’s traditional culture. Many/most Indians do not care about America’s culture, so they are not conservatives here. They care about Indian culture, so they are conservatives there.

    Indians strike me, in some ways, as never being moderate on the subject of American/European culture. Blacks are seldom passionately in love *with* Western culture. They either seem to hate it, or to just tolerate it. But Indians either passionately love it or passionately hate it. One reason for that is that they are generally smarter than blacks. Another reason is that most of them have visited or lived in India and are painfully aware of the shortcomings and imperfections of their own culture. They either accept that reality, live in denial, or blame Westerners, not Indians, for most of the problems.

  74. Anonymous[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    Wow, I would have thought the Buddhists would come out at least as high as the Hindus. What’s the religion of choice among Chinese-Americans, Christianity?

    • Replies: @Anon
  75. Wilkey says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    It’s not the government’s job to conserve anything. It’s our job, and it’s their job to allow us to.

    Good distinction, but in reality neither party is allowing us to conserve American values, so the difference is meaningless. One institution after another – churches, public schools, universities, clubs (Rotary, Boy Scouts, etc.) – has fallen to the demands of “non-discrimination” and other forms of indoctrination, and Republicans have done nothing to stop it, and have often actively supported it.

  76. Moses says:
    @Anon

    Really? So Republican policies tend to hurt Indians?

    Well I dunno about “hurt” but I do know that lefty policies that the right opposes like affirmative action and gubmint set-asides for non-White-owned firms benefit Indians and other non-Whites at the expense of Whites.

    Given their income profile, Republicans are by far the superior option for Indians. Tax cuts usually help the affluent.

    Oh, that’s right. Indians, Hispanics, Chinese et al are Natural Republicans(TM)

  77. @Lot

    Libertarianism has a lot going for it as a default philosophy — i.e., that giving people the freedom to enter into mutually advantageous transactions tends to maximize the value to the “community.”

    But there is nothing incompatible in also recognizing that the nation-state is a community of mutual interest and loyalty that creates a legitimate “us” vs “them” distinction.

    Many libertarians fail to acknowledge, for example, that we aren’t (and never will be) living in a purely voluntary social system. So everytime we let an outsider join the “circle of trust” it creates a host of non-voluntary burdens on everyone who is in the original community.

    I think Steve once used the anology that national policy — like corporate governance — should be concerned with “maximizing shareholder value” where the citizens are deemed to be the shareholders of the nation. That kind of financial/legal metaphor should strike a chord with otherwise misguided economic libertarian types.

    (Incidentally, I consider myself a nationalist and a libertarian and see no conflict at all).

    • Replies: @Lot
  78. Moses says:
    @JohnnyD

    The only thing worse for a Jew than living in a country with majority Nazis Whites is not being allowed to immigrate to a country with majority Nazis Whites, or living in Israel.

  79. Moses says:
    @GSH

    But so long as voting conservative is “just not done” in university circles, Indians will not vote conservative.

    Erm…the voting booth is private, ain’t it?

    • Replies: @GSH
    , @Escher
  80. Anonymous[110] • Disclaimer says:

    So it’s fascism for the lower castes back home, and Marxism for the lower class whites in America.

  81. @GSH

    The assimilation theory makes sense. It may be the same dynamic that applies to East Asians. They have lot of conservative tendencies too, but end up voting mostly Democrat.

    But when you drill down, they are actually just voting in the same pattern as the Whites in their area. It just so happens that they mostly tend to live in urban parts of California and New York and other heavily blue states.

    So it seems like both groups remain “persuable” in the long run, if they ever get the “social permission” to vote right.

    • Replies: @SFG
    , @Twinkie
  82. Pericles says:
    @JohnnyD

    Many of my fellow Jews have been doing this for the past fifty years. I think it’s part of being an insecure minority in a country founded and built by white Christians: no matter how successful you become, you can’t get over the fact that your ancestors didn’t build this country.

    Not to mention getting kicked out of countries all over the world does nothing for their self confidence, poor little guys.

    • Replies: @SFG
  83. GSH says:
    @Moses

    Assimilation means taking the values of the target culture as your own. If you desire to assimilate into the university culture, you vote left, because that’s the values that “educated” culture holds.

    • Replies: @Moses
  84. Most folks here are forgetting the biggest, fattest and fairest (fair and lovely?? 🙂 ) elephant in the room and that is immigration. Indians are conformists and pretty quiet UNTIL they get the numbers and this is where the DemonCrap party comes into the picture. Aka more legal “skilled” immigration so that they can bring even more of their half brothers and uncles and nieces into the US. Anyways, the traitor GOPe is doing the same too [trump and his love of “legal” immigration and the hated H1B aka the hindoo-1-B lobby] which kinda makes voting for demoncraps worthless. But hillary was recently found dancing around in some Indian billionaire’s villa so she would be more “open” to demands from that lobby, which wouldn’t rest until middle class white americans are at the same level as the mestizos and just a notch above blacks with almost all middle class jobs gobbled up by the incoming deluge

    By the way Indians today are the fourth largest group when it comes to overstaying their visas and claiming asylum. The irony of a Hindoo nationalist wanting to flee his heaven and living amongst heathens!

    Nonetheless, the GOPe, no matter how cucked still galvanizes the white patriots (the one’s left) and the rednecks to some degree and they fear that. Like most subcons, the hindoos are pretty hypocritical when it comes to immigration and how it should look in India vis a vis the US. So no surprises here

  85. Anon[203] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    The Chinese struggle with English fluency. They also are very socially insular. So they’re a poor fit for media, politics, punditry, or the C suite.

    Indians are more similar to Jews. Both groups are extroverted, verbally agile, and opinionated.

    • Replies: @Alden
  86. SFG says:
    @Oleaginous Outrager

    “My kingdom is not of this world”, I thought…

    I never recall anyone saying being a Christian was supposed to make you rich.

    • Replies: @Kaganovitch
  87. SFG says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    The Kaufman ‘whiteshift’ argument is the eventual half-white offspring will gradually consider themselves as white, and then they’d be persuadable.

    I agree that these groups settle in urban areas where they take on the Democratic values of those around them.

    I think the best hope, honestly, is ‘prison reform’. The ensuing crime wave will create a right-wing reaction like in the 70s and 80s. Of course, that presupposes a crime wave. There’s no guarantee you (or I) won’t be one of the people killed in it.

  88. SFG says:
    @Pericles

    You know that was sometimes a way for the king to avoid paying debts to bankers back, right?

    (Not that Jewish leftism isn’t quite real…)

  89. @Jake from Brookline

    When I was in Niagra Falls a year or two ago, I saw many IM/WF couples but no WM/IF couples.

    They are exporting their gender imbalance.

  90. @Malcolm X-Lax

    So, was the Hate-Crime her having been escorted by the Police?

  91. Twinkie says:
    @GSH

    Ironically, the real reason that Indian immigrants don’t vote conservative is because most desire to assimilate into America, rather than stay separate.

    Untrue, unfortunately. Indians display the lowest assimilation index among the major Asian immigrant groups in the US and cluster with non-Cuban Hispanics.

    Even their American-born progeny have the lowest intermarriage rates with whites among Asian-Americans, indicating that their low tendency to assimilate continues.

    • Replies: @indocon
    , @Anon
    , @Lo
    , @Lot
  92. Twinkie says:
    @Jake from Brookline

    Does anybody have any idea on how many Indians are in relationships with Whites Americans. I think it is very high. Many Indian men I know are married to White women.

    False. Among the American-born, Indians are the least likely to be married to whites among the major Asian groups, and that goes for both sexes.

  93. False.

    Speak to the bulk of highly educated, well-to-do, upper caste Indians, and you’ll see that ideology-wise they lean left, but the left (Congress party in India) is grossly corrupt and incompetent. They have no strong leadership, and a history of rampant corruption and dynastic rule. If the choice is between an entitled, corrupt nincompoop and a competent if blood-thirsty right-wing, nationalist who at least has some shot of catapulting the country into economic prosperity — I’d pick the right-wing nationalist any day.

    Modi is deeply flawed. His nationalist ideology and leanings are fearsome. His heavy-handed tactics, whether it be GST roll-out, demonetization, or his fervor to remain in power and artificially inflate India’s GDP numbers to indicate his party’s ‘success’, are all worrisome. But what’s the alternative? A corrupt, incompetent, entitled, clueless, dynastic imbecile. Give me economic prosperity anyday — I can’t eat ideals for dinner.

    This article is once more an example of speculation being paraded as fact. One arm-chair philosopher at Drew University (my god, could he be more divorced from ground reality?) theorizing doesn’t make it true. Speak to actual people from these communities and ask them why they lean left in the US but right back in India.

    • Replies: @ConfirmationBias
  94. Twinkie says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    The assimilation theory makes sense.

    No it doesn’t, because their assimilation index is the lowest among major Asian groups. See my other comment above.

  95. @Anon

    Strictly speaking, I’m a native American.

    Conversely – my daughter’s pet hamster was born in an aquarium. It doesn’t make it a fish.

    • Agree: donut
  96. @ConfirmationBias

    PS – How many Indian-Americans are Trump supporters? Any clue? That number is higher than you think
    Also PS – Voting left in the US but right in India, out of self-interest and self-preservation is also a compelling theory. There may be some merit there. I just don’t think it answers for all of the right-left split. If self-interest voting was the sole answer, you wouldn’t have Trump-supporting Indians in USA or Reluctant-Modi-supporters in India. You don’t need to be a professor in Sweden or Drew University to figure that out.

  97. @Anon

    As an aside, readers of this blog should already understand that any number greater than 0 for that latter group would be considered “a large number”.

    Another proof that Asian Calculating Supremacy ain’t a stereotype.

    Welcome Anon[307].

    It’s time for you to pick the nick, and tell us more about American-Hindian Agenda for 7- Eleven Century.

  98. GSR says:

    Babus from Bombay are among the most corrupt, scam artists in this world. You’re always wise to steer clear of them and on a national level, cut their immigration. Make Ghandiland Great Again, don’t come here!

  99. Anon[322] • Disclaimer says:

    Easy. Indians vote for the party in the US that represents their ethnic/religious group, the democrats, against “The Other”, white Europeans, while also voting for the political party in India that represents their ethnic/religious group (nationalists) against “The Other” (non-Hindus). Political belief plays almost no role in the matter. For the most part, people (excluding some Europeans) do not vote based on policy. They vote based on their immediate group affiliation – religious, ethnic, national, tribal, sectarian, historical, social, even geographic on occasion …

    If that weren’t the case, then Bernie Sanders would have beaten Hillary Clinton in 2016 among black voters because his socialist policies would obviously have been much better for that demographic than Hillary’s standard fare corporatism; additionally, the more experienced Hillary Clinton should have beaten Barack Obama among blacks considering her superior ability to deliver goods to that community, her husband’s good relationship with blacks dating back to at least the 1990s, fears that a black man couldn’t win the general, and Obama’s lack of experience or accomplishment. They didn’t. Instead, blacks voted overwhelmingly for the candidate who was superficially more loyal to their tribe, regardless of political belief – closer to their group genetically or the one having more experience with it. The only time this doesn’t happen is when ethnic groups think their ethnic candidate has a real danger of losing to “The Other” (white Europeans) in the general election, thus causing their tribe to lose to “The Other”. This also explains the “Uncle Tom” moniker among blacks in relation to black non-democrats (i.e. “group traitor”).

    You can often tell in advance who’ll get the majority of ethnic votes based on the criteria listed above. That’s why odds-makers have Biden and Harris as the front runners with Gabbard and Yang as unlikely outsiders (they don’t have a large ethnic group supporting them and, thus, they’ll likely lose against another democrat candidate blacks/SWPLs think will likely beat Donald Trump regardless of policy). I’ve seen quite a few Bernie Bro YouTubers not get this yet. They get reeeeaaallly mad at CNN pollsters and commentators who put Harris and Biden ahead of Sanders without giving a clear reason. Well, the reason IS clear…but they can’t say it without getting depersoned (*or is it “unpersoned” grammar Nazguls?) liked that Baltimore news anchor lady. Bernie Bros are going to learn this hard truth this primary season when Sanders goes down to Joe Biden, Corey Booker, or Kamala Harris. His only shot is to appeal to SWPL West Coasters because Harris, Biden, or Booker will mop up the Southern black votes almost unanimously — as long as it doesn’t come out that Booker is gay or Biden has Alzheimer’s or Harris prosecuted a lot of poor blacks on behalf of SWPLs.

    That’s why democracy is ultimately doomed in the US as the demographics change. You’d think this would be a common sense, self-evident sort of thing. But even here on Unz I see commenters promoting unlikely and convoluted explanations dealing with assimilation indices, group income, and the like. Steve must agree with me, I believe. I think he’s just being tongue-in-cheek here.

  100. donut says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    “…. and it’s their job to allow us to.” That attitude is why we are loosing our country .

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @byrresheim
  101. Anonymous[863] • Disclaimer says:
    @indocon

    India’s GDP was the highest in the world during the first millennium ad, and it’s cultural influence during that period extended almost all over Asia, a hitherto unprecedented reach that was only surpassed by the Islamic golden age and then European colonialism. Your thesis falls flat on its face.

    • Replies: @indocon
  102. nebulafox says:
    @Anonymous

    Virtually all the Turks in Germany hail from the Anatolian hinterland that is behind Erdogan’s success. They are far from shy about their open support for him. Erdogan, for his part, has openly, emphatically disencouraged the ethnic Turks from assimilating to European norms, which just makes him even more popular with them. Naturally, this deeply irritates Berlin, but they can do little about it after Merkel’s 2015 blunder. With the wide-eyed Juncker types preventing any sort of real solution to the immigration problem, Erdogan is the only thing preventing tens of millions more from the Islamic World from crashing down into Europe. He knows this and exploits the blackmail potential to the hilt.

    One can look upon his success, and Turkey’s schizophrenic birth rates (below replacement rate a la Europe in the Ionic parts of the country, Middle East levels of fertility in deeper Anatolia), as the ultimate revenue of the rubes against the secularist wannabe Europeans in the western part of the country that have dominated the deep state ever since Ataturk. Turkey is a very divided country. If you ask your typical cosmopolitan, educated Istanbulite if he is proud of having so many compatriots in Germany, the response will typically be disgust and anger that they have been identified with what they disparagingly refer to as “the dark Turks”.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Lo
  103. anon[101] • Disclaimer says:

    “Given their income profile, Republicans are by far the superior option for Indians.”

    They’re not. Considering changing demographics will soon remove any chance republicans have in national elections, it is unreasonable for Indians, Asians, or Jews to vote for “The Other” and risk being the subject of violent, Confederate-statuesque reprisals. There will be no Blackexit or Jewexodus. People vote based on group identity and what’s best for themselves as a member of that group affiliation. Therefore, none of those demographics will ever majority vote republican – ever. It doesn’t matter what the republicans do. That’s why conservative Indians vote democrat in the US while also supporting Hindu nationalists in India. Same with Jews in regards to Israel, same with Asians in regards to China – at least in terms of approving of the Chinese government. There isn’t the contradiction in their behavior some conservatives would like to think there is. Those demographics are actually acting quite rationally.

  104. @SFG

    I never recall anyone saying being a Christian was supposed to make you rich

    Methinks you need to watch noted theologian, the Reverend Creflo Dollar on WGNA at 8 AM. It may be an epiphany for you.

  105. nebulafox says:
    @Anon

    With their history, it shouldn’t be surprising that a large amount of Sikhs in the UK are dedicated British patriots (moreso than many natives), some even supporting UKIP. This has made then targets, both by leftist loons and Pakistani sex gangs, who targeted Sikh girls along with whites.

    As for India, Sikhs have… some very, very good historical reasons to distrust Congress. That’s more than enough for pragmatic support of Modi.

    OT, but they are tough ones, Sikhs. I still remember that one story about that 70 something Sikh man a while ago, the one where be put up his dukes and attempted to fight against the thug who mugged and spat on him, despite being crippled.

  106. Anon[225] • Disclaimer says:

    How about “only morons vote in elections which they cannot influence”? That would include India, and most of the US (except some 10 swing states).
    Also, in US, Indians are also great at milking the government directly (have you been to USPS or SSA lately?), or indirectly (check out NIH grants). I can see why the sort of Indian wanking about in his gov-paid job would vote D in places like Austin.

  107. peterike says:

    Given the topic, some might find this interesting. Here’s an explanation of a method Indians are using to make a lot of money in start up technology companies. Goes like this.

    Mr. Patel (our stand in Indian techie) goes to work for Big Tech Corp. Over time, he takes over the team responsible for making The Widget. Of course he hires all Indians on his team. After some years, Mr. Patel leaves Big Tech Corp and starts his own company, Sexy Start Up.

    What does Sexy Start Up make? Effectively, it makes The Widget Plus. In other words, Mr. Patel borrows (i.e. steals) all the ideas that went into The Widget, and makes the obvious next-generation version of The Widget, which is the Widget Plus. Essentially, he builds the product that was on the roadmap for The Widget, but given large company inertia and the fact that it’s harder to update an older platform than to just throw it away and start over (which Big Tech Corp can’t do), it would take them years to get to it to market, whereas by starting his own company, Patel can get The Widget Plus to market quickly, and start selling against his former employer with a product that was basically stolen from them.

    Because of how quickly technology changes, first-mover status is very important, and by jumping ship Patel gets it. He gets a few hundred million in start-up money, brings a bunch of his old comrades over from Big Tech Corp (so he steals their talent along with their ideas), runs with it for a few years and then sells The Widget Plus for a bucket of money. And often times, he sells the Widget Plus right back to Big Tech Corp that he stole it from in the first place.

    Does Big Tech Corp mind? Not really. Because given the sclerotic nature of Big Tech Corp, it would have taken them two or three times longer to get The Widget Plus to market. So by not fighting with Patel over intellectual property, they basically outsource the Widget Plus and then buy it back, in the long run getting to market faster. And Big Tech has tons of cash, and if they don’t have enough they just issue stock, the best funny-money way to buy things. Patel and his cronies make tens of millions each, if not billions in some cases.

    It’s all perfectly “legal” of course, but it’s sleazy and corrupting. But then, what is America these days if not the most corrupt nation on earth?

  108. RonaldB says:
    @Lugash

    Why do people want to massacre foreign populations/regions/capitals when a simple immigration ban would more than serve the purpose?

    • Replies: @Lugash
  109. RonaldB says:
    @Anonymous

    That’s a good observation about liberal Jews turning against Israel. J Street might be the most blatant example, but the mainstream liberal Jewish orgs are thoroughly cult-Marxist. They support Israel now, but their core values are totally opposed to Jewish nationalism.

    For the record, I distinguish between Zionism, which is personal support for the Jewish state, and replacing American nationalism for Israeli, which I do not do. Separate countries, separate nationalisms, separate interests, although they may intersect (or may not).

  110. RonaldB says:
    @Anon

    You’re correct. In the long run, a white-run country in which Indians, Jews, and other productive people of any race can prosper is in the long-term interest of all groups. But, as the former Prime Minister of Singapore said, once you get a racially diverse electorate, people vote their ethnicity rather than their economic interest. What about the hypothesis that when these people (Jews, Indians) first came to the US, and were a lot closer to the brink than they are now, they became affiliated with the Democrats as the disperser of public services. And they just never switched, in spite of the fact that their economic interests changed.

  111. nebulafox says:
    @Hail

    India is not Europe, and Islam there has a different historical role. If anything, in more recent South Asian history over the past millenia, it was the opposite for a large part of the region. Before the British came, the Turko-Persian Mughals were dominant and Muslims were the elite, cultured minority. Although the dynasty became highly Indianized with time, from the perspective of a Hindu nationalist, they were every bit as foreign and colonial as the British, despite the lasting and permanent impact they had.

    Irritation that a great chunk of South Asians, a distinct part of the human species with indigenous traditions, follow the whims of a 7th century Arab monotheist apocalyptic prophet-leader in their daily choices and have names like Pervez or Ali or Khan explains a great deal of why Hindu nationalists feel the way they do about Islam. Essentially, they view them as brainwashed traitors, worse than any foreigner. That many Pakistanis ostentatiously revel in the conquest of their darkie ancestors by the Muslim armies (some even have the gumption to claim to be descended from some Persian or Arab or Turkish warrior noble despite their very visibly desi features giving this lie away) just increases the animus.

    Razib Khan explains this dynamic better than I ever could.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
  112. Moses says:
    @GSH

    Or if you’re a mindless automaton.

  113. Mon avis says:
    @J.Ross

    It would seem after 9/11 the last thing we need is more Muslim pilots. We should be thankful they went AWOL. Whoever came up with this bright idea should be shot.

  114. Mon avis says:
    @Alden

    Chinese tend not to give a rat’s ass about politics. They just want to do business, make some money, send their kids to the Ivy League and eat a lot of good food. Just look at how they are persecuted throughout Southeast Asia despite dominating the economy in countries like Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines. They are a practical minded people, politics for them is useless, for those with high ideals and love to talk, like Jews and Indians. There’s the saying “Put ten Chinese in a room and no one would talk, put ten Indians in a room and no one would shut up.” I’ve worked with both groups, and it’s true.

  115. Anon[335] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    I think that most Chinese and Japanese, home and abroad, are on the “don’t care about your imaginary friend” cult, with the possible caveat of “show respect to your ancestors”.

  116. Mon avis says:
    @DB Cooper

    Which is why America is such a happy place for them, Bullshit Artists of the East meet (((Bullshit Artists))) of the “West”.

  117. Mon avis says:
    @Ed

    My Indian FB friends from business school appear to be anti-Modi.

    Many Trump voters pretend they are not depending on the company.

  118. Mon avis says:

    Indians are so good at governing, it’s why India is such a backward, filthy, polluted, poverty stricken, crime ridden, dysfunctional, uber corrupt third world hell hole. A total sewer pit of humanity. And now they are here turning us into another India.

    The more Indians a city has, the more it looks like India. Seattle now looks like Mumbai, with homeless and their disgusting tents all over the city, and San Francisco looks like Delhi, with feces on the sidewalk and beggars everywhere.

    • Replies: @baked georgia
  119. bucky says:

    Well, it likely is because the Dems have the most sound economic policies.

    Indians do not have an emotional connection to culture war issues that ensnare white voters, stuff like abortion or gays. The GOP voter typically yearns for a Norman Rockwell esque past, and this is how they are doped into supporting Ayn Randian economics that ruthlessly dismantles their way of life…

    Dems objectively are better economic governors. This was obvious simply from the debt ceiling, and from GOP tax cut policies which do not help their Norman Rockwell base.

    Culture war issues are white issues. The most extreme white culture warriors are reacting to their traditionalist family backgrounds.

    Indians are just along for the ride.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  120. Mon avis says:
    @Jake from Brookline

    Indian-white couples are very rare, much rarer than East Asian-white couples.

    Most Indians are first gen immigrants, the males move here on H1b, then go back to India for an arranged marriage.

  121. What is funny is that in the local politics in my area there is a party divide between Indians and Pakistanis, where the Indians favor local Republicans and Pakistanis favor local Democrats. One imagines that by virtue of being Muslims the Pakistanis are coded as even more exotic and more remote outsiders than the Indians, and thus gravitate to the party which more readily embraces provocative misfits. I figure that in any event South Asians have an experience with corrupt governments and an appreciation for the power of local functionaries to smooth over rough edges and remove the proverbial pebble from their shoes.

    My surmise is that both groups vote for Democrats at the Presidential level though. Free and easy chain immigration to the U.S. seems to be the primary issue.

    I’ve heard stories of Indian parents trying to arrange marriages via fiance visas for their American-born daughters to Indian men, who would serve as a source of cheap labor in father’s store until such point as he “earned” a chain of the store to serve as the source of income for the wife and children of the union. Meanwhile, once a naturalized citizen the new husband would be eligible to sponsor his own family to immigrate via chain migration. Many of the American-born daughters are less than keen on this proposition of late though.

  122. @nebulafox

    That many Pakistanis ostentatiously revel in the conquest of their darkie ancestors by the Muslim armies (some even have the gumption to claim to be descended from some Persian or Arab or Turkish warrior noble despite their very visibly desi features giving this lie away) just increases the animus.

    I know an American born son of Pakistani immigrants who claims this (or some similar nobility) as his ancestry.

    He does have slate blue eyes though, which is exceedingly unusual for South Asians.

  123. Come on, Steve. Everybody’s conservative about that with which they’re most familiar.

    Back home is the real country. America is just a shopping mall.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  124. @Twinkie

    Indians here come for the money and are big on chain migration. Democrats make that easy, although the repubs are not far behind with their penchant for “skilled” “legal” immigration aka more wage cutting cheap labor who will, out of sheer ethnic/tribal nepotism bring more of their kind.

    It’s a vicious cycle and the Indians have that part of the visa scam gamed. They don’t care one whit about the ethnic composition [why should they?] and the more of their kind the better. Democrats are perfectly suited for that although GOPe isn’t far behind either, but they galvanize the native stock and that is a danger signal for these cultural misfits

  125. Malcolm Y says:

    It’s a disgrace that there are such things as indian Americans.

  126. In the South, many of the people with advanced degrees in technical (and some scientific) fields are conservative.

    The Indian business owners in the South are often conservative, but not so much the social workers, professors in less technical fields, etc.

  127. neutral says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Indians are the biggest threat to America and to the West by far

    Come back to me when you can show that they control Hollywood, US foreign policy, the mainstream media and are the biggest donors to political parties.

  128. Lot says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    I agree with all that. The reason why I say this is futile is that actual libertarian “intellectuals” are either PC open borders academics like Tyler Cowen or directly funded by the Kochs.

    Libertarians are wrong about other things though. Libertarians advocate other policies that are dysgenic and will ultimately result in an unstable and violent society that will end up… not very libertarian.

  129. Ben Kurtz says: • Website

    Pressure on the government in the 1950s not to separately count a certain ethnic group… You mean the Italians? The Irish? The Poles? Or perhaps the Greeks? No… I clicked the link and you meant Jews.

    It’s a selective and incorrect reading of American history, Steve, to invent a particularly Jewish conspiracy to thwart this element of the national dialogue starting seventy years ago. In the 1950s, a whole slew of formerly “ethnic” non-core white groups lost their exotic “ethnic” label and became plain old white – the groups I mention above and others too. Books have been written about the subject. The Jews were part of that movement, but a small part relative to the other white ethnicities riding that wave. To focus on a small element at the expense of the larger wave is to deliberately set yourself up to misunderstand what was happening.

    I see a contemporary analogy budding up in dissident right dialogue in recent years: Commentators focus on the (disproportionate) presence of liberal Jews in left-wing politics, and invent theories which posit that Jews are the prime movers behind most of the left-wing identity politics and pro-unlimited-immigration idiocy which we’ve been plagued with for the past 20 years. That strikes me as fundamentally wrong: the northern European tendencies and cultural habits of the majority or dominant white group(s) is the prime mover, and Jews are just along for the ride, using their brains to amp up whatever trend they find themselves within. That’s why the Jewish people produced both Chuck Schumer (D-Instanityville) and Stephen Miller (R-Mordor).

  130. Spangel says:

    I wonder what Indians think of pro black policies. Reparations. Ceasing disciplining students, ending “mass incarceration.” Do they like this?

  131. @Lot

    Libertarians are wrong about other things though. Libertarians advocate other policies that are dysgenic and will ultimately result in an unstable and violent society that will end up… not very libertarian.

    I’m being generous here but I think that libertarianism functions far better as a critique than as a comprehensive ideology.

    It should only ever be employed as a part of the exercise of considering why the fence is there in applying Chesterton’s fence to any particular phenomenon. All else being equal, we prefer liberty to its opposite – however all else is rarely equal, and there are frequently very good reasons for restricting absolute freedom. It does not of itself supply an architecture for human society which would yield either greater liberty or increased human happiness if implemented. The high profile attempts at libertarian society experiments have failed ridiculously.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @J.Ross
  132. indocon says:
    @Twinkie

    The chart above is on money, if you correlate the % republican vote with assimilation index, you will almost see a perfect correlation except Canada which we all know why. Yet the stupid party wants to make policy decisions that benefit Indians at the expense of Filipinos like changing how green cards are allocated.

    https://www.h1b.io/blog/trumps-h1b-visa-plan-may-result-green-cards/

  133. @Ben Kurtz

    That strikes me as fundamentally wrong: the northern European tendencies and cultural habits of the majority or dominant white group(s) is the prime mover, and Jews are just along for the ride, using their brains to amp up whatever trend they find themselves within. That’s why the Jewish people produced both Chuck Schumer (D-Instanityville) and Stephen Miller (R-Mordor).

    Schumer has been in public life since 1974, and elected to offices in the United States government since 1981, with a role in Democratic party leadership for a very long time.

    Perhaps I am mis-remembering, but I do not recall members of the Schumer family ever penning an opinion piece denouncing him as a bad Jew and a traitor to his ancestors for his views on immigration.

    I think it’s a bit silly to pretend that there are not pronounced political preferences expressed by American Jews in both their patterns of voting and the proportion of their political contributions, with even supposed Republican aligned Jewish donors withholding political contributions for Republican candidates who have diverged from the left on such issues as granting homosexual couples marriage licenses and restricting mass immigration.

  134. People in the US vote right because they do not want taxpayer funded services to benefit ethnic groups other than their own.

    Indians in the US have no objection to public education and affordable healthcare, and do not have strong feelings about abortion or other Christian issues like whether Walmart cashiers say Merry Christmas or Happy Harvest. They don’t usually have connections with the military, either.

    In any case, what passes for the left in the US is to the right of practically every other political party in the world, although now that the democrats have elected a couple of moderate foreign females, everyone is pretending to be shocked when they state the fricking obvious in public.

  135. CJ says:
    @Hail

    Pew does some pretty good research, so I take that chart seriously. One noticeable change from the stats of 40 years ago re income and SAT scores is that the Unitarians are now down near the middle of the list. They used to be right up at the top with Jews and Episcopalians.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Hail
  136. @Anon

    Uncle Fester is a totally cool dude. Don’t insult him.

    … I know him personally…

  137. @Hail

    Church of God in Christ—- black Americans, generally poor.
    National Baptist Convention—black Americans again.
    JW’s— all they do is proselytize. There’s no time to be out earning money. I see very few white ones who are under 75.
    Assemblies of God— many, many blacks.

    God bless my black brothers and sisters who live in peaceful and pious poverty. This list is breaking out race as much as religion.

  138. @Jake from Brookline

    They love their arranged marriages, and the parents back home in India are making dang sure the pairings are Indian-Indian.

    I informally dated an Indian guy in the 90’s (he was quite the gentleman) and before me he had hung around a Russian woman. But when it came time to marry, he took applications and photos from Indian girls introduced to his parents back in Mumbai. Sure enough, he and all his other friends married Indian girls.

    As a counter-anecdote, an Indian-American (born here) guy I worked with married a Mexican-American woman.

  139. It all centers around the “race” issue and Indians, being dark-skinned, are convinced, of course due to the relentless brainwashing of the left, that the Republicans are racists and the Democrats love POC, and are the saviours of the POC.

    The most racist persons I have encountered in my world travels have been : Leftists, period.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973,, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.

  140. @Mr McKenna

    Indian means born in India and not a citizen of the US.

    Indian-American means either a born or naturalized citizen of the US.

    That distinction makes the most sense to me.

  141. @Jonathan Mason

    ” In any case , what passes for the left in the US is to the right of practically every other political party in the world”

    Total fucking nonsense, and apparently you have never ventured further than the city-limits of your little burg.
    The US Democrats party standpoints are identical with , for example, the SPD or the Greens in Germany, and I simply do not have the gumption or energy to provide more examples, of with there is a plethora.

    Authenticjazzman, world traveler, “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US army vet, and pro jazz artist

  142. some research in boston, showed that brazillians that voted for bolsonaro, in boston, didnt like trump. so they lean democratic when it comes to usa.

    I dont know if this applies to brazillians in other states. in florida they may be more conservative. at least ones the legal voters. in florida they have plenty of rich people, the most “americanphiles”

  143. @peterike

    ” ANY Indians living in Western nations are troublesome Asians and there should not even be ONE living in America”

    Ask anyone who has worked for a large insurance company which group has the highest rate of fraud.

    Importing Indians means importing a low trust, clannish, corrupt culture into a formerly high trust nation. It is a disaster, and you can see the results in Canada, the UK, etc.

    They try to paper over this by noting how ‘educated’ Indians are, meanwhile not a single one of the universities in India is world class in any field. In fact, most of them are awful.

  144. Anon[203] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    Exactly.

    Democrats are the party of the unassimiliated.As Sailer calls them, “the coalition of the fringes.”

    Republicans are the party that appeals to traditional “Core Americans.”

    Indians and Pakis are highly unassimilated and clannish, so they gravitate toward the Democrats.

    Lots of Ellis Islanders started off left and gradually moved right as they assimilated. Indians might follow that trajectory, or may they’ll stay unassimilated and keep voting Democratic.

  145. Anon[203] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox

    Lots of the Turks in Germany are Kurds.

  146. Anon[203] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cato

    India hates Iran and Iraq?

  147. Anon[203] • Disclaimer says:
    @bucky

    Good points.

    Indians aren’t into Norman Rockwell America because they’re an unassimilated group who’s not into American culture.So the Republican party has no appeal to them.

  148. @Mon avis

    hmmm but it’s not the indians shitting on the street or begging in both cities. it’s neither their fault really. you know who are really guilty of that.

    the thing about india, in a country with more than a billion people, they may have a good amount of smart people, even if the majority is dumb as fck

  149. conatus says:

    Indians are way way on the top of the list of income by ethnicity in wiki. 122K to 90Kfor the Taiwanese
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

    So my question is why would they be considered ‘socially disadvantaged’ for small business contracts with the Feds.
    13 CFR(Code of Federal Regulations)
    § 124.103 Who is socially disadvantaged?

    (a)General. Socially disadvantaged individuals are those who have been subjected to racial or ethnic prejudice or cultural bias within American society because of their identities as members of groups and without regard to their individual qualities. The social disadvantage must stem from circumstances beyond their control.

    (b)Members of designated groups.

    (1) There is a rebuttable presumption that the following individuals are socially disadvantaged: Black Americans; Hispanic Americans; Native Americans (Alaska Natives, Native Hawaiians, or enrolled members of a Federally or State recognized Indian Tribe); Asian Pacific Americans (persons with origins from Burma, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, Brunei, Japan, China (including Hong Kong), Taiwan, Laos, Cambodia (Kampuchea), Vietnam, Korea, The Philippines, U.S. Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands (Republic of Palau), Republic of the Marshall Islands, Federated States of Micronesia, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, Guam, Samoa, Macao, Fiji, Tonga, Kiribati, Tuvalu, or Nauru); Subcontinent Asian Americans (persons with origins from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Bhutan, the Maldives Islands or Nepal); and members of other groups designated from time to time by SBA according to procedures set forth at paragraph (d) of this section. Being born in a country does not, by itself, suffice to make the birth country an individual’s country of origin for purposes of being included within a designated group.

  150. @Ben Kurtz

    There is probably something unique about white psychology that allows jews to manipulate us, but if you look at the people who push the anti-white policies most of the thought leaders are jews. Happy to list out some of the specific people propelling the train forward if you do not agree. Many and probably most of these same people are committed zionists who believe in ethno-supremacism when it’s their group in charge.

  151. @bucky

    Ron Unz, is there a [STUPID] button? Should I update my browser?

  152. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    The high profile attempts at libertarian society experiments have failed ridiculously.

    The only really high-profile attempt I can even recall was the UNITED STATES of AMERICA, circe 1775 – 1965. I thought it went pretty well, Smart Alec.

  153. @Jonathan Mason

    People in the US, before it was dieversified, voted for the Libertarian right (not what’s called “conservative” now, but what used to be called “liberal”) because they understood the stupidity and dysgenicism of Socialism. They understand that most taxpayer-funded services could be provided better by people who give a damn, as they stand to profit.

    Where’d all the Socialists come from this morning?

  154. @Lot

    Yeah, Lot? Do you think the funding of low-IQ minority children with the taxes of people who were too responsible to have more kids as they would have had they kept their earned-money was a eugenic process? How’s the Socialism been working out for the USA since 1965, Lot? How about the violent society part? How many of the ghetto dwellers read Reason magazine and the Constitution?

    Imagine my man Barry AuH2o having won the election against the scumbag Socialist LBJ. I think this blog would not even have been necessary.

    (Maybe we are writing about quite different “libertarians”. I’m talking Herman Hoppe, Murray Rothbard, Lew Rockwell, and Vin Suprynowicz.)

    • Replies: @Lot
  155. Alden says:
    @Anon

    Seems reasonable.

  156. @donut

    “…. and it’s their job to allow us to.” That attitude is why we are loosing our country .

    Because if the government doesn’t do it, it doesn’t get done? That attitude is how we “loosed” our country in the first place. A.k.a. the New Deal, Great Society, etc. It’s what gave us public radio and TV in the first place.

    Did the City of New York do, or even pay for, this conservation? If not, who did?

    https://nypost.com/2014/12/13/st-patricks-unveils-its-immaculate-facelift/

    • Replies: @donut
  157. J.Ross says: • Website
    @CJ

    It was probably hard to be a Unitarian forty years ago, so external societal pressure guaranteed intellectual heft like with Quakers. Society loosened, soft parenting became normal, and the Unitarians lost their armature.

  158. @Jonathan Mason

    In any case, what passes for the left in the US is to the right of practically every other political party in the world…

    That sure doesn’t show up in marriage, adoption, and abortion law, or qualifications for immigrants. Also, the superrich in every other country are allowed to leave for Monaco or wherever, and never pay taxes again. That isn’t true of Americans. Uniquely.

    Let’s not even get into state churches…

  159. Why Do Indian-Americans Vote Right at Home and Left in the USA?

    They are voting against the people whose resources they want to take.

  160. indocon says:
    @Anonymous

    GDP prior to invention of steam engine was pretty much dependent on 2 variables – population, and if farmer or hunter type. Both India and China were top in GDP during this time. As to influence in Asia, once you take our Budhisim, hard to see what that was. Leftover influence in Bali maybe? And Budhisim was complete antithesis of caste system.

  161. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I have tried to phrase it: “Libertarianism is a philosophy, not an ideology or a party, and certainly not a plan for governing.” It would be like if you asked a candidate for their ideology or party, and their answer was “Christian.”

  162. donut says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    My point was that it’s not the government’s place to allow or disallow us any thing . A serious question : what does the government do for us that we couldn’t do for ourselves ?
    As for St. Patrick’s Cathedral I believe that it was paid for with donations from individuals and corporations . “Take advantage of one of our Pew Naming Opportunities which start at $100, 000 and go as high as $500,00.”

  163. Wait. I know this one. It comes in two parts so be patient.

    1. The political “right” in the US (Fox “News”, Mike Pence, Dick Cheney) is off of the spectrum in other developed nations. No other rich country would tolerate our healthcare system, gun epidemic, poverty wages, religious interference in government, regressive taxes, military budget and pageantry, and so on. Religious states Israel and Saudi Arabia are exceptions.

    2. The political “left” in the US (Clintons, Obama. Schumer,…) are roughly the same, on an absolute scale, as the “right” in almost every other developed country. Look at Canada or any European nation. Thus, when people who identify as conservatives in their native countries happen to move here, there choice is pretty easy.

    As I recently posted in another recent thread, the reason few white Euros move here is because our quality of life, as shaped by the neocons and “talk” radio over the last 25 years, is intolerably right-wing for nearly all of them.

  164. Lo says:
    @Twinkie

    I think they are actually very eager to marry whites because, in Indian culture, whiteness is considered superior. Whitening products are a billion dollar industry in India, and an ugly white girl would actually be considered prettier than a more attractive dark skinned girl. The problem is that wanting to marry whites is not enough, the white side should also have the same desire. They just are not attractive on average, the prettiest Indian girls I’ve ever seen were average at best (white standards), it is very unlikely for an average white to want to marry an Indian, hence the low intermarriage rates. When they can, Indians tend to pick the most stereotypically white men/women they can get, blondes with blue eyes.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  165. Lo says:
    @nebulafox

    Actually, Erdogan doesn’t know anything. If he did he wouldn’t try to give citizenship to millions of Arabs who neither share a common language nor culture with Turks. He is just an ignorant fool who confuses reality for fantasy. Turkey’s birth rate on average is just around replacement rate, and no local ethnicity has Middle East levels, but West’s beloved Kurds have a slightly higher birth rate. Also, note that about half of those “dark Turks” in Germany are not ethnic Turks. Moreover, I wouldn’t count on the opinions of those Istanbulites you talk about. First of all, they probably are not Istanbulites as real Istanbulites are a small minority and some of the most polite & refined people you will ever meet, consequently, they would not refer others as “dark Turks,” as it would be impolite and arrogant. Those who use the language you refer to are usually dumb & ignorant people themselves, not to mention that they likely have at most ~50 years of family history in Istanbul, most likely not even close to that. Also, this whole “dark Turk” vs. “white Turk” has nothing to do with color, but rather with class, and is a rather recent invention of Turkish leftists.

  166. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Indians are the biggest threat to America and to the West by far. Unfortunately this will fall on deaf ears.

    No. The biggest threat to America and to the West by far is white liberals. Without them, Indians would not be a threat at all.

    • Agree: byrresheim
  167. Lugash says:
    @RonaldB

    In my case it’s frustration that’s festered for nearly a decade. The OBL-Pakistan connection is the mother of all Memory Holes. I’m assuming that our government knows Pakistan was sheltering him, yet they’ve done nothing. An immigration ban, seizure of all Pakistani government assets that we could, trade embargo and (possibly) a conventional strike on the Paki military academy would have been good enough.

    I’m not full-Whiskey about “boot on the neck” but when a country shields someone who committed mass murder/terrorism you’ve got to respond.

    • Replies: @Anon
  168. Lot says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I am not a socialist. You can have progressive taxation fund a eugenic mixed economy. We were on that course in much of the 1800s.

    If libertarianism worked well you’d see some successful examples of it somewhere. Singapore is fairly libertarian but has very low fertility and is 50% public housing.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  169. Lot says:
    @Twinkie

    “Untrue, unfortunately. Indians display the lowest assimilation index”

    Quick test of how much an immigrant group likes native Americans: do they give their kids American first names?

    Indians score pretty low on this front.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  170. Anon[157] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ed

    That would be pridefulness. We’re dealing with descendants of the Puritans, remember.

  171. @Lot

    What?? Singapore has more laws than a kindergarten full of delinquents. It is NOTHING like libertarian, except in the financial realm. I really have got to admit that it’s hard to have anything like real Libertarianism (freedom, that is) in any place crowded, and Singapore is Exhibit A on that.

    In the 1800’s the US was the freest country the world had ever seen, and MAY ever see. I’m beginning to think it was a fluke and will never happen again. There was NO income tax (other than some of Lincoln’s BS during the War of Northern Aggression) during that whole century, and 11 year before it, along with 13 years after it. Where was the progressive taxation, Lot? (Unless you are talking about other places in the world – yet you wrote “We”.)

  172. @Sane Left Libertarian

    … gun epidemic…

    Haha. Yes, epidemiologists have traced the initial vector back to Philadelphia, 1776, amazingly enough. It’s spread like wildfire since that time, and the only way to keep it contained to the “bearing” phase and not the “exercising” phase is to keep as many foreign pieces of Eurotrash like yourself out. I’d rather have Somalians than people like you, honestly.

    Only the middle term of your moniker is the truth. You suck to no end, Sir.

  173. @Lo

    I agree on the dot-Indian women. I am sorry to say it, but I just don’t think they are in general very attractive. That’s why I can’t stand this confusion of the Indians with the Orientals, as lumped together under the term “Asian” (along with Afghanis, Saudi Arabians, Siberians and lots of other varied peoples of the biggest continent in the world).

    • Replies: @Lo
  174. Anon[157] • Disclaimer says:

    The overt Christianity of the Republicans will always be a problem for Indians. Christians regard Hindus as devil-worshiping pagans. Jews have a special status in Christianity which grants them a level of tolerance, but no such exception exists for Hindus.

  175. Twinkie says:
    @Lot

    I don’t disagree but many American names have Christian/Biblical origins, which of course doesn’t work for people who practice a radically different religion.

  176. Anon[157] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lugash

    You’re assuming that the U.S. was in Afghanistan to catch Osama. That’s a mistake. He was just a pretext. It suited the U.S. government for him to remain at large.

    Obama however didn’t care about this.

  177. Lo says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I am not sorry to say it. It is just a simple fact, and obvious to anyone who has eyes that can see, and it has nothing to do with the color, I don’t have the same opinion for blacks for example, have seen very pretty black girls. East Asians tend to be more attractive relatively speaking, but even they are not attractive on average. A whole lot of make-up, whitening, face painting and in case of Koreans, plastic surgery going on in East Asia. Still, I have seen actually pretty Asian girls, cannot say the same for Indian girls. Agreed about whole Asian lumping, actually came across Indians who thought that East Asian high IQ thing applied to them because they are also called Asians.

  178. Escher says:
    @Moses

    Exactly! Wouldn’t be surprising if many of these guys were closeted Trump supporters.

  179. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:

    And it’s like Liberal Jews in the US supporting right-wing ethno-centrism of Israel.

    When it comes to ‘ours’, they are conservative. When it comes to ‘theirs’, they side with the treasonous elements of the host nation. Since liberal elements tend to be more treasonous, they’re the ones to work with for outsiders.

  180. Mike1 says:

    I’d be interested in the household income of readers of this blog. I think it would come in a little lower than the average US household income. A lot of readers seem to feel their personal incomes are threatened by immigrants. I’m sympathetic but very few high income households would feel like this.

    Another clue is that a lot of people commenting on this story think White/Indian pairings are unusual. This may be true in some places but is baffling to anyone who has lived in most coastal US cities.

    • Replies: @Prodigal son
  181. Hail says: • Website
    @CJ

    All it would take, hypothetically, is Unitarians to go from

    100% Whites @ 110 IQ

    to 70% Whites @ 110 IQ and 30% Other Races @ 88 IQ = 103 average IQ.

    Not saying this is what happened to the Unitarians because I don’t know, but the need to control by race to find actual patterns here, seems obvious.

  182. @Mike1

    The data we have on inter-racial marriages indicate they Indians rarely marry outside their race.

    One reason is they tend to have arranged marriages. The other reason is because Indians are not very attractive, thus even if they try to get a white spouse it is not easy for them compared to East Asians or Hispanics.

    • Replies: @Anon
  183. @Desiderius

    The Ds are the right-wing party in America.

    One could certainly make the case that Hillary Clinton’s campaign represented a more conservative viewpoint than Trump’s, in that she wanted to maintain the status quo, whereas he wanted to shake it up.

    I’m not sure “right-wing” is the best way to characterize this tendency within the Democrats, however.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  184. @donut

    Sad, true, contrary to libertrarian ideology.

  185. Anon[157] • Disclaimer says:
    @Prodigal son

    Caste issues more likely.

  186. @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Capital certainly seems to think so.

    Money talks and bullshit walks.

  187. @Sane Left Libertarian

    You don’t know what you are blathering about.

    To start off with several european countries have recently adjusted their gun ownership laws to match the those of the US.
    Secondly : The only way the massive european social state is maintained in Europe is due to their horrible tax rates, however certain Scandinavian countries have begun to reduce their unafordable social programs as of recently.

    “Religious inteference in government”

    Germany has in place a “Church tax” : Kirchensteuer” unheard of in the US and the political interference of the churches in Germany is so oppressive as to force communities to cancel such subversive actions as Halloween parades, add to this the support of the churches of mass immigration.

    “The reason why few white Euros move here is because of our quality of life” : Total nonsense, as there is and has been a massive Brain-drain from European countries to the US since the war, and it has not let up.

    ” The political left in the US are roughly the same on an absolute scale as the “right” in every other developed country”

    This is pure nonsense, period. The party standpoints of the US Democrats match, almost identically, those of the SPD, (social democrats) Greens, Linken,(leftist party) in Germany.

    Having lived myself for over forty years in Europe I do KNOW what I am talking about.

    AJM

    PS : There is no such thing as a “sane” leftist : to be a leftist IS to be insane.

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