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From The Forward:

May You Live Until 120: DNA Uncovers Secrets To Jewish Longevity

Allison Gaudet Yarrow, August 3, 2011

According to British census data, Jews live an average of five to six years longer than their gentile counterparts, and there may be nearly three times as many Jewish centenarians as in the general U.K. population.

Similar American data is not available because the U.S. census is prohibited from asking about religious affiliation.

Because Jewish organizations in the late 1950s objected to Census Bureau plans to ask.

According to James Thompson at the Unz Review, a 115 IQ leads to an average lifespan of 5.5 years longer than a 100 IQ. Some of the longer lifespan is no doubt due to better decision making due to higher IQ, but some of the longer lifespan and higher IQ is due to fewer unfavorable mutations.

 
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  1. Lot says:

    Ancestral Southern Europeans live longer than northern ones. Look at a life expectancy map of Europe. Control for income, and it looks to be about 1.5 years.

    Living to 80 may be the only good thing Albanians are better at than Estonians.

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    Is this true if you correct for the climate?

    Also, diet and alcohol consumption patterns are rather different.
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  2. Altai says:

    OT: Apparently in the recent fuss over Asian applications to ivy-league schools a lot of documents were obtained (By Buzzfeed, of all places) pertaining to this. Including remarks about non-white American applicants essentially not being ethnocentric nationalists and thus not taken. This may explain the psycho breakdowns that happened at Princeton lately, they deliberately chose their black students on the basis of their overt ethnocentrism.

    http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2017/05/princeton-appears-to-penalize-minority-candidates-for-not-obsessing-about-their-race.html

    Of a Hispanic applicant, an admissions officer wrote, “Tough to see putting her ahead of others. No cultural flavor in app.”

    “Were there a touch more cultural flavor I’d be more enthusiastic,” one officer wrote of a native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander.

    officers candidly discussed the race of black, Latino, and Native American applicants, often seemingly searching for those who highlighted their racial backgrounds rather than checking off boxes on their Common Applications.

    “Nice essays, sweet personality,” one admissions officer said of a multiracial applicant. “Bi-racial but not [National Hispanic Recognition Program] and no recognition of her [background] in app by anyone.”

    When one reader called an applicant’s Native American heritage “appealing,” the other noted that the only place the boy had mentioned the heritage was in a checkbox on his Common Application. He called himself “a white boy,” the admissions officer noted.

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    • Replies: @27 year old
    a. Don't care. Those poor minority students... eye roll.

    b. Would love to read their comments on a White applicant who obsessed about his race

    c. Can we FOIA our own college applications to public universities? Or do we have to sue to get them? I want to read their comments on me
    , @Anonymous
    Hmm, cultural flavor. That's gooood. Whites who have a lot of cultural flavor are called bad names. Whites with lots of cultural flavor, bad. Every other race or ethnicity with lots of cultural flavor, good.

    What would happen if a white applicant to Princeton wrote that their very white community where they've grown up gives them a tremendous sense of the self? That it reinforces them when they face adversity or attempt something challenging. That it's helped them to develop a great respect and admiration for their people's history? In general, that their very white community has made them stronger.

    , @Triumph104
    Why didn't you post this in the blog thread immediately before this one which is on Advanced Placement courses and race? The people in that thread would have been very interested in this topic.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-are-too-many-students-taking-advanced-placement-tests/#new_comments
  3. IHTG says:

    Israel’s average life expectancy is high too, and would be even higher without the Arabs. Spain and Italy rank high as well – it’s possible that Mediterraneans get more bang from their health care buck, as I doubt either of these countries has a top notch public health care system.

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    • Replies: @dearieme
    "I doubt either of these countries has a top notch public health care system." I'd be surprised if the health care system much matters to longevity, after some rather low hurdle is leapt.
    , @A Spaniard
    Spain has the highest rate of organ transplants per capita in the world. Paying doctors much less than they earn in the US also helps maintain the system. The WHO ranks Spain in 7th place for the quality of its healthcare system.

    http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/

    However, correlations between life expectancy and health care expenditures are weak if you compare developed countries. Medicine is a failure when it comes to the development of treaments that actually raise life expectancy, at least when the diseases of old age start to appear. UK has very bad cancer outcomes, and most treatments for the diseases of old age (cancer, cardiovascular disease, stroke, Alzheimers, etc) do not raise life expectancy by much. If you save a person from cancer, they might get some other disease of old age later, adn life expectancy rises very little as a result.

    , @hyperbola
    Spain is ranked eighth in the world for its standard of healthcare, according to new research.
    https://www.thelocal.es/20170519/spains-healthcare-ranks-among-best-in-world

    The Healthcare Access and Quality Index (HAQ), published in the UK journal The Lancet on Thursday, studied the quality of healthcare in 195 countries by measuring mortality rates from causes that should not be fatal in the presence of effective medical care.

    The study analyzed death rates from 32 such diseases and conditions over the period 1990 to 2015 and found that nearly all countries saw their rating improve over the years.

    Spain scored 90 points out of a maximum 100, placing it eighth in the world rankings, above the healthcare systems of Italy (89), France (88), Greece (87), Germany (86), the UK (85) and Portugal (85).

    Andorra topped the Index with a score of 95, followed by Iceland (94) and then Switzerland in third place on 92 points.

    Sweden and Norway made up the top five and 13 of the top 15 countries were in Western Europe, joined by Australia (6th) and Japan (11th).

    The UK placed 30th and the US 35th......
    , @Jack D
    Spain and Italy benefit from the famous Mediterranean diet as well as a less sedentary lifestyle.

    Life expectancy has more to do with diet and lifestyle than with the health care system. Mexico's life expectancy is within spitting distance of the US despite the fact that they spend maybe 5 cents per capita on health care. Their entire health care budget wouldn't be a rounding error in the US and it has surprisingly little effect on their life expectancy. There are strong diminishing returns on health care spending just like almost everything else - you get 80%+ of your bang for the buck on the first 20% of spending. Once you get past vaccinations and antibiotics, the other stuff provides marginal benefits, especially in relation to the cost.
    , @Dmitry134564
    The healthcare systems in Spain and Italy are excellent. And in Israel there is also comparatively excellent healthcare - which is why it's so popular for medical tourism from the FSU.
  4. Off the top of my head I’d guess that British Jews do a better job of moderating their drinking when compared to the aboriginal British. Of course, that’s not a very difficult hurdle to clear.

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    • Replies: @FKA Max

    Mormon men live 10 years longer than other U.S. white males.Mormon women live more than five years longer than other U.S. white females.Those are the among the results of a 25-year study into the health habits and the longevity of the Mormon lifestyle by non-Mormon UCLA professors James E. Enstrom and Lester Breslow, who summarized their research with the conclusion: "Several healthy characteristics of the Mormon lifestyle are associated with substantially reduced death rates and increased life expectancy."The study, conducted from 1980 to 2004, included information from questionnaire responses by more than 9,800 faithful Mormon couples and concluded that practicing Mormons in California had the lowest total death rates and the longest life expectancies ever documented in a well-defined U.S. cohort. The authors concluded the findings suggest a model for substantial disease prevention in the general population.Mormons live by a health code called the "Word of Wisdom." They abstain from alcohol, tobacco, tea and coffee because the body is the temple of the spirit (I Cor. 3:16-17).The study revealed Mormon males had a life expectancy of 84.1 years — 9.8 years longer than that of U.S. white males. Mormon females had a life expectancy of 86.1 years — 5.6 years longer than U.S. white females.
     
    - http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705377709/UCLA-study-proves-Mormons-live-longer.html

    Dr. Benjamin D. Horne explained it this way: “Fasting causes hunger or stress. In response, the body releases more cholesterol, allowing it to utilize fat as a source of fuel, instead of glucose. This decreases the number of fat cells in the body. This is important because the fewer fat cells a body has, the less likely it will experience insulin resistance, or diabetes.”
     
    - https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/post/mormonism-good-for-the-body-as-well-as-the-soul/2012/06/20/gJQARk3IqV_blog.html?utm_term=.c01fd9b5339b

    If religious teaching has no effect on fertility rates, and all discussion on this topic can be just reduced to mat[t]ers of biology and explained by human biodiversity, how do you explain large Mormon families, when Mormonism is one of the ”whitest” religions in the U.S. ( the flock being 85% non-Hispanic White, and being predominately of British ancestry http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/07/27/the-most-and-least-racially-diverse-u-s-religious-groups/ )?
     
    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/hemispheric-open-borders-trial-run-puerto-rico/#comment-1623364

    On centenarians:

    Interestingly, Barbados shares a unique distinction with Japan: both countries have the highest per capita occurrences of centenarians on earth.
    [...]
    “A good start might be Bajan water,” suggested the Post in an article headlined: Many Rivers To Cross, Why So Many Barbadians Live For More Than 100 years?

    The paper stated, “the only volcanic island in the Caribbean, Barbados’ coral limestone filters water to a healthy state of ‘hard’ calcium rich drinking water similar to that of Okinawa.”
     
    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/why-is-barbados-so-civilized/#comment-1956532

    I also highly recommend this recent research:

    Mr. Thompson,

    Would you like to check out my worldwide IQ estimates based on official UNO education data?

    https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2017/09/05/worldwide-iq-estimates-based-on-education-data/
     
    - http://www.unz.com/jthompson/intelligent-lifespans/#comment-1995375

    https://notpolitcallycorrect.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/average.jpg

    Differences larger than 5 points were found for 30 countries, and in these cases, I suspect it is due to Lynn manipulating the data to fit racial patterns, Sub-Saharan African countries have been systematically under-estimated and East-Asian ones have been systematically over-estimated by Lynn, also, Some nations in Europe, the Middle-East, South-Asia and Latin America seem to have their scores manipulated in order to appear closer to what they would be based on their racial composition.
  5. dearieme says:
    @IHTG
    Israel's average life expectancy is high too, and would be even higher without the Arabs. Spain and Italy rank high as well - it's possible that Mediterraneans get more bang from their health care buck, as I doubt either of these countries has a top notch public health care system.

    “I doubt either of these countries has a top notch public health care system.” I’d be surprised if the health care system much matters to longevity, after some rather low hurdle is leapt.

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    • Replies: @Old fogey
    I’d be surprised if the health care system much matters to longevity, after some rather low hurdle is leapt.

    I could not agree more.
  6. @IHTG
    Israel's average life expectancy is high too, and would be even higher without the Arabs. Spain and Italy rank high as well - it's possible that Mediterraneans get more bang from their health care buck, as I doubt either of these countries has a top notch public health care system.

    Spain has the highest rate of organ transplants per capita in the world. Paying doctors much less than they earn in the US also helps maintain the system. The WHO ranks Spain in 7th place for the quality of its healthcare system.

    http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/

    However, correlations between life expectancy and health care expenditures are weak if you compare developed countries. Medicine is a failure when it comes to the development of treaments that actually raise life expectancy, at least when the diseases of old age start to appear. UK has very bad cancer outcomes, and most treatments for the diseases of old age (cancer, cardiovascular disease, stroke, Alzheimers, etc) do not raise life expectancy by much. If you save a person from cancer, they might get some other disease of old age later, adn life expectancy rises very little as a result.

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  7. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Remember NNT’s — don’t drink a drink younger than 2000 years old?

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  8. Jack D says:

    I think if you eliminate excessive alcohol (Jews drink but not nearly as much as Brits) from your diet you will live longer. Being rich and intelligent is also good for your health.

    I’m guessing that if you were to match the British Jews 1 for 1 with non-Jewish Brits of comparable socio-economic status there wouldn’t be that much of a difference, except for the small residual resulting from differences in alcohol consumption.

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    • Replies: @slumber_j
    It's the booze, and you beat me to it. But I'd say it's pretty much entirely that.

    Unless one has spent a lot of time among them, it's pretty hard to imagine how much actual ethnic Britons drink--and particularly how much the now-very-old drank in their drinking heyday. Jews, on the other hand, tend to be on the abstemious side. It's two extremes, and 5 years' difference in longevity sounds about right.

    By the way, I learned about Jews and booze from my college professor Michael Blumenthal when our class met the morning after he'd been forced to have his annual night out with his colleague Seamus Heaney. Blumenthal did not look well, and he explained his condition thus: "Jews can't drink." I've since known some Sephardic Jews who like the sauce, but not too many Ashkenazis.

    Heaney--who did indeed like to drink--died at 74.

    , @Mark Caplan
    The Forward article says differentials in alcohol consumption do not account for Jews' greater longevity, at least in America, but the passage isn't entirely clear:

    Jews who make it past 95 have dietary habits and levels of alcohol consumption and physical activity similar to their shorter-lived counterparts
     
    This refers to American Jews and not British Jews. Apparently there aren't data to show that American Jews live longer than American gentiles. Among large demographic groups in America, I thought I had read that Hispanics are the longevity winners.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    Not many Jewish coalminers, foundry-workers, trawlermen, farmhands, foresters, sailors, steel erectors or brickies in those days (or ever).
    Of course clerical workers, shopkeepers and landlords outlive the grunts. And just try and stick a grunt job for forty years (fifty back then) without needing constant rehydration while dodging the lead plumbing. Everyone but everyone smoked like lords' bastards (took the edge off your depression-, then war-, then rationing-whetted appetite, very handy, and most kept the habit).
    Retired Army brass drink/drank horrifying amounts, far more than the plebs (the hard stuff, as did their wives/mistresses) because they could afford it, but again, Jews cruelly under-represented in that post-war cohort, due to bigotry or something no doubt.
  9. Steve, you should advise Ron not to publish the Daily Stomer rubbish currently on the site’s homepage. While they are a “silenced voice” like yours or others given a platform by him here, I don’t think it’s worthwhile to hear and does you and the others who publish here a great disservice by associating you with them. (Also puts site at risk of attack or denial of service (though maybe Mr. Unz has greater financial control over his site than they did theirs))

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    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    But isn't he Jewish himself? How bizarre.
    , @Frau Katze
    Do you mean "Daily Stormer"? I don't see them on the site but i'm just using an iPad and it's a bit awkward for searching. Can you point me to it?
  10. As people get older, an ounce of hypochondria is worth a pound of cure. From what I’ve seen, Jews tend to be far more fussy about their diet, daily routine and exercise regime. Even if their idea of exercise is a little bit of faffing around in the pool, they’re religious about doing it every day. Britons are less likely to keep kosher about doctor’s orders and such things.

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  11. Kosher diet, less smoking and alcohol consumption, more affluent on average.

    Leading causes of death in the UK are cancer, heart disease, dementia. Probably average Jew in the UK has a more healthy lifestyle than the average member of the general population, and is more likely to have private health care insurance than the average person.

    One misconception about Britain is that private health care and insurance is illegal or outlawed. It is not, and plenty of people have it. About 9% by some estimates.

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    • Replies: @AM

    One misconception about Britain is that private health care and insurance is illegal or outlawed. It is not, and plenty of people have it. About 9% by some estimates.
     
    That's because the Canadians have that system. But wink, wink, nudge, nudge the vast majority of the population lives within 100 miles of the border and if you're wealthy enough you can line jump. Without the US's health care system, the Canadians would have to deal with the creeping nightmare of their system ages ago.

    For a place that is so cold and snowy, Canada is strangely bubblish place.
  12. slumber_j says:
    @Jack D
    I think if you eliminate excessive alcohol (Jews drink but not nearly as much as Brits) from your diet you will live longer. Being rich and intelligent is also good for your health.

    I'm guessing that if you were to match the British Jews 1 for 1 with non-Jewish Brits of comparable socio-economic status there wouldn't be that much of a difference, except for the small residual resulting from differences in alcohol consumption.

    It’s the booze, and you beat me to it. But I’d say it’s pretty much entirely that.

    Unless one has spent a lot of time among them, it’s pretty hard to imagine how much actual ethnic Britons drink–and particularly how much the now-very-old drank in their drinking heyday. Jews, on the other hand, tend to be on the abstemious side. It’s two extremes, and 5 years’ difference in longevity sounds about right.

    By the way, I learned about Jews and booze from my college professor Michael Blumenthal when our class met the morning after he’d been forced to have his annual night out with his colleague Seamus Heaney. Blumenthal did not look well, and he explained his condition thus: “Jews can’t drink.” I’ve since known some Sephardic Jews who like the sauce, but not too many Ashkenazis.

    Heaney–who did indeed like to drink–died at 74.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    Unlike some Asians (and Amerindians) who don't metabolize alcohol well and turn funny colors, Jews CAN drink, but most don't seem to enjoy drinking themselves into a total stupor in the Northern European style. Jews will stop after a drink or two and leave it at that, but certain Brits and other Northern Europeans have "hollow leg" syndrome where they just want to keep going and going to the blackout stage. And not just once in awhile, but often. What for Blumenthal was a once in a year event, I'd venture was for Heaney a daily occurrence.

    My son has roommates of N. Euro descent and he (and I) couldn't believe the amount of booze they ran thru their liver. I see his recycling and there is handle after handle of booze in there every week. When they moved in, my son had a small stock of liquor which for him was a year's supply, which they ran thru in a matter of days. They even ran thru the creme de menthe and other sweet liqueurs which are disgusting to drink in quantity. I was surprised that they didn't drink the vanilla extract.
    , @benjaminl
    The Grant Study, longitudinally following a cohort of Harvard grads throughout their lives, is really fascinating, since the differences among them can't be explained by Privilege and Oppression.

    Longtime study head Vaillant seemed to think that alcoholism was a big deal, much worse than usually recognized:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/05/thanks-mom/309287/

    Alcoholism was the main cause of divorce between the Grant Study men and their wives; it was strongly correlated with neurosis and depression (which tended to follow alcohol abuse, rather than precede it); and—together with associated cigarette smoking—it was the single greatest contributor to their early morbidity and death.
     
    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/02/decoding-keys-to-a-healthy-life/

    Just last year, he said, he found that 57 percent of all divorces among Grant Study men involved alcoholism. That statistic had been artificially low until then because, though the men had spoken of their own alcohol problems, many hadn’t been forthcoming about those of their wives until later in life.
     
    , @Flip
    I've always thought that Jewish temperance was due to their history in Eastern Europe as merchants and lenders among sometimes hostile Slavic peasants and that you had to be on guard and wouldn't want to risk getting drunk and losing control around them.

    The stereotype is that Protestant and Catholic country clubs had well-stocked and used bars while the Jewish clubs always had the best food.
    , @David
    A funny instance of this difference becoming apparent was International Jew replying to Steve's confession that he'd drunk three beers after driving 20 hours, "Steve, I never thought of you as a drinker let along a serious one."
    , @Dmitry134564
    Non-Orthodox Jews drink plenty of alcohol, especially in Northern Europe. And in Israel, too, you will find plenty of alcoholics (including passed out on the street with a bottle of vodka).
    , @Moshe
    If it were drink alone, or even primarily, that would shock me.

    I have never heard that dribkers lose so much of their lives in pursuit of the habit.

    As a man of Ashkenazi descent I drink but rarely to extremes.

    Then again, even fundamentalists cultures have a valve-day when anything goes.

    For Orthodox Jews it's Purim and basically involves copious amounts of drink and talking during prayers. It also used to involve cool parents dressing their boys as girls or blacks but that is probably becoming less common.

    But yes, please guve me dara on alcohol. It seems quite important.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    As an ethnic Briton (ok I'm not Welsh, but .. ) I am always gobsmacked by the amount the Danes and Germans neck, all day, every day. LagerLagerLager, make me feel like a lightweight. And don't get me started on the Poles & Baltics. Turbo-chuggers. Keep the thinners and the horse liniment away from them.
    The French pack away a decent bucket of wine too, but on the sly, and I've noticed their cops don't seem to give a toss about actual French people "driving" at night completely plastered, like one-foot-hanging-out-the-window-and-singing drunk. Terrifying. The French don't drive on the right or the left at the best of times, just wherever they fancy, so I was alert to the lane-slaloming already.
    The only sensible Euro drinkers are the Iberians, Italians, Dutch, Czechs and, weirdly, Belgians. I know if I lived there I'd be trying one delicious brew after another, and all different.
    The Nogs (anything over The Bridge, as far as Russia) pretty much aren't allowed to drink, it disagrees with them. Finns just die of cirrhosis in their cabins in the forest and get eaten by bears, so stats aren't available.
  13. Pericles says:

    Have they ruled out the salubrious effects of drinking the blood of Christian children?

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  14. Hugh says:

    “…but some of the longer lifespan and higher IQ is due to fewer unfavorable mutations.

    An interesting point. Maybe the study of the damaged DNA of very low IQ people would highlight the genes needed for intelligence.

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  15. Sabril says:

    I would guess part of it is a culture which frowns on physical risks. Jewish mothers wives and daughters tend to push their children, husbands, and parents to avoid risky activities, to go to the doctor regularly, etc.

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  16. Jack D says:
    @slumber_j
    It's the booze, and you beat me to it. But I'd say it's pretty much entirely that.

    Unless one has spent a lot of time among them, it's pretty hard to imagine how much actual ethnic Britons drink--and particularly how much the now-very-old drank in their drinking heyday. Jews, on the other hand, tend to be on the abstemious side. It's two extremes, and 5 years' difference in longevity sounds about right.

    By the way, I learned about Jews and booze from my college professor Michael Blumenthal when our class met the morning after he'd been forced to have his annual night out with his colleague Seamus Heaney. Blumenthal did not look well, and he explained his condition thus: "Jews can't drink." I've since known some Sephardic Jews who like the sauce, but not too many Ashkenazis.

    Heaney--who did indeed like to drink--died at 74.

    Unlike some Asians (and Amerindians) who don’t metabolize alcohol well and turn funny colors, Jews CAN drink, but most don’t seem to enjoy drinking themselves into a total stupor in the Northern European style. Jews will stop after a drink or two and leave it at that, but certain Brits and other Northern Europeans have “hollow leg” syndrome where they just want to keep going and going to the blackout stage. And not just once in awhile, but often. What for Blumenthal was a once in a year event, I’d venture was for Heaney a daily occurrence.

    My son has roommates of N. Euro descent and he (and I) couldn’t believe the amount of booze they ran thru their liver. I see his recycling and there is handle after handle of booze in there every week. When they moved in, my son had a small stock of liquor which for him was a year’s supply, which they ran thru in a matter of days. They even ran thru the creme de menthe and other sweet liqueurs which are disgusting to drink in quantity. I was surprised that they didn’t drink the vanilla extract.

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    • Replies: @slumber_j
    Right: I think Blumenthal meant "can't" in a non-literal sense. What he really meant is, "Jews I know--and I'm one of them--don't drink like Seamus Heaney unless they make a mistake or are forced to."

    They even ran thru the creme de menthe and other sweet liqueurs which are disgusting to drink in quantity. I was surprised that they didn’t drink the vanilla extract.
     
    As my ex-brother-in-law informed me long ago, people in AA joke that if you still have vermouth around the house you're not a real alcoholic.
    , @AnotherDad

    Unlike some Asians (and Amerindians) who don’t metabolize alcohol well and turn funny colors, Jews CAN drink, but most don’t seem to enjoy drinking themselves into a total stupor in the Northern European style. Jews will stop after a drink or two and leave it at that, but certain Brits and other Northern Europeans have “hollow leg” syndrome where they just want to keep going and going to the blackout stage.
     
    Yeah this. There does seem to be something wrong with my people in the alcohol department. And I don't just mean "the Irish".

    I'm all for, "hey we're done here, let's go have a beer and relax." But this "let's get hammered!" thing is very weird and simply put, "stupid". The Jews on average definitely have a better culture and genetically seem to have fewer loons prone to having severe problems.

    And my take--long gone from that age--it seems like the drinking culture has gotten noticeably *worse* among young Anglo-Saxons as religion has declined and their nations are ripped open and dosed with "diversity". Or in other words as the globo-scum strip meaning from their lives.

    Hopefully, after the revolution ;-) when we've got our nations back, we'll line the globalists up against the wall, shoot 'em and then just go for a cheery celebratory beer.
    , @Catholic Philly Prole
    This has been my experience as well. I never knew many Jews growing up but became friendly with one in my twenties through work. I thought it strange that he didn't drink to excess 3 or 4 times a week like most of my other friends and family do. He was literally the only guy I knew who would stop somewhere for "a beer or 2" and quit after a beer or 2. We all thought he was a pussy and teased him about it. Just to clarify my other friends and family are all Irish/German proles and hard drinking is a very central part of our culture. I now believe that hard drinking is not something that most Jews do. I'm not saying the way the Goyim drinks is a postitive btw, actually I feel it is a symptom of our decline.
    , @Old Palo Altan
    Tut-tut Jack - you really must convince your son to find a better class of roommate.
    Old time Wasps don't drink like that - are you sure they're not Irish?
    , @Expletive Deleted
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUmZp8pR1uc
    , @Yak-15
    What Asians don't metabolize alcohol well? Indians? Indonesians?

    Chinese, Koreans and Japanese have extreme booze cultures in business. Being able to drink HARD is even a prerequisite for some jobs.
  17. Anonymouse says: • Website

    When I was 18 I commenced drinking in Greenwich Village like you were supposed to do. I soon discovered I was 3 drink limited; more than that and I had to puke in the subway going home to Brooklyn – standing between the cars where you wouldn’t be making a mess. It was apparently genetic on my father’s side, none of whose family has ever had a problem with booze. OTOH, my mother’s brother who moved to southern Cal in the 1920′s was apparently something of a shikar. Owned 2 bars. OK! Fast-forward to today, and I’m 83. So how many more years am I good for?

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    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    You could drink three? I become sick after two.

    Once you pass menopause it makes hot flashes so bad I only drink a token amount at Christmas.
  18. hyperbola says:
    @IHTG
    Israel's average life expectancy is high too, and would be even higher without the Arabs. Spain and Italy rank high as well - it's possible that Mediterraneans get more bang from their health care buck, as I doubt either of these countries has a top notch public health care system.

    Spain is ranked eighth in the world for its standard of healthcare, according to new research.

    https://www.thelocal.es/20170519/spains-healthcare-ranks-among-best-in-world

    The Healthcare Access and Quality Index (HAQ), published in the UK journal The Lancet on Thursday, studied the quality of healthcare in 195 countries by measuring mortality rates from causes that should not be fatal in the presence of effective medical care.

    The study analyzed death rates from 32 such diseases and conditions over the period 1990 to 2015 and found that nearly all countries saw their rating improve over the years.

    Spain scored 90 points out of a maximum 100, placing it eighth in the world rankings, above the healthcare systems of Italy (89), France (88), Greece (87), Germany (86), the UK (85) and Portugal (85).

    Andorra topped the Index with a score of 95, followed by Iceland (94) and then Switzerland in third place on 92 points.

    Sweden and Norway made up the top five and 13 of the top 15 countries were in Western Europe, joined by Australia (6th) and Japan (11th).

    The UK placed 30th and the US 35th……

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  19. benjaminl says:
    @slumber_j
    It's the booze, and you beat me to it. But I'd say it's pretty much entirely that.

    Unless one has spent a lot of time among them, it's pretty hard to imagine how much actual ethnic Britons drink--and particularly how much the now-very-old drank in their drinking heyday. Jews, on the other hand, tend to be on the abstemious side. It's two extremes, and 5 years' difference in longevity sounds about right.

    By the way, I learned about Jews and booze from my college professor Michael Blumenthal when our class met the morning after he'd been forced to have his annual night out with his colleague Seamus Heaney. Blumenthal did not look well, and he explained his condition thus: "Jews can't drink." I've since known some Sephardic Jews who like the sauce, but not too many Ashkenazis.

    Heaney--who did indeed like to drink--died at 74.

    The Grant Study, longitudinally following a cohort of Harvard grads throughout their lives, is really fascinating, since the differences among them can’t be explained by Privilege and Oppression.

    Longtime study head Vaillant seemed to think that alcoholism was a big deal, much worse than usually recognized:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/05/thanks-mom/309287/

    Alcoholism was the main cause of divorce between the Grant Study men and their wives; it was strongly correlated with neurosis and depression (which tended to follow alcohol abuse, rather than precede it); and—together with associated cigarette smoking—it was the single greatest contributor to their early morbidity and death.

    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/02/decoding-keys-to-a-healthy-life/

    Just last year, he said, he found that 57 percent of all divorces among Grant Study men involved alcoholism. That statistic had been artificially low until then because, though the men had spoken of their own alcohol problems, many hadn’t been forthcoming about those of their wives until later in life.

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    • Replies: @slumber_j
    Well I graduated from Harvard College, and by most measures I drink too much. Let's see how that turns out.

    I'll let you know.
  20. Flip says:
    @slumber_j
    It's the booze, and you beat me to it. But I'd say it's pretty much entirely that.

    Unless one has spent a lot of time among them, it's pretty hard to imagine how much actual ethnic Britons drink--and particularly how much the now-very-old drank in their drinking heyday. Jews, on the other hand, tend to be on the abstemious side. It's two extremes, and 5 years' difference in longevity sounds about right.

    By the way, I learned about Jews and booze from my college professor Michael Blumenthal when our class met the morning after he'd been forced to have his annual night out with his colleague Seamus Heaney. Blumenthal did not look well, and he explained his condition thus: "Jews can't drink." I've since known some Sephardic Jews who like the sauce, but not too many Ashkenazis.

    Heaney--who did indeed like to drink--died at 74.

    I’ve always thought that Jewish temperance was due to their history in Eastern Europe as merchants and lenders among sometimes hostile Slavic peasants and that you had to be on guard and wouldn’t want to risk getting drunk and losing control around them.

    The stereotype is that Protestant and Catholic country clubs had well-stocked and used bars while the Jewish clubs always had the best food.

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  21. Jack D says:
    @IHTG
    Israel's average life expectancy is high too, and would be even higher without the Arabs. Spain and Italy rank high as well - it's possible that Mediterraneans get more bang from their health care buck, as I doubt either of these countries has a top notch public health care system.

    Spain and Italy benefit from the famous Mediterranean diet as well as a less sedentary lifestyle.

    Life expectancy has more to do with diet and lifestyle than with the health care system. Mexico’s life expectancy is within spitting distance of the US despite the fact that they spend maybe 5 cents per capita on health care. Their entire health care budget wouldn’t be a rounding error in the US and it has surprisingly little effect on their life expectancy. There are strong diminishing returns on health care spending just like almost everything else – you get 80%+ of your bang for the buck on the first 20% of spending. Once you get past vaccinations and antibiotics, the other stuff provides marginal benefits, especially in relation to the cost.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Drinking again too-- Mediterraneans drink quite a bit but rarely to drunkenness.

    I'd be surprised if Spain didn't have fairly good doctors.
    , @AnotherDad

    Life expectancy has more to do with diet and lifestyle than with the health care system. Mexico’s life expectancy is within spitting distance of the US despite the fact that they spend maybe 5 cents per capita on health care. Their entire health care budget wouldn’t be a rounding error in the US and it has surprisingly little effect on their life expectancy. There are strong diminishing returns on health care spending just like almost everything else – you get 80%+ of your bang for the buck on the first 20% of spending. Once you get past vaccinations and antibiotics, the other stuff provides marginal benefits, especially in relation to the cost.
     
    Bang on Jack.

    The great health care innovations:
    --> Sewers
    --> Vaccines
    --> Antibiotics

    There's some "nice to haves" from the latest medicine--some cancers can be beat, they can replace some joints (generally once)--but it's not the bread and butter of life expectancy.

    --> Get off your ass and get out for a walk.

    --> Don't carb load. (Though even that's more about looking decent.)

    --> Pick your parents very carefully.

    (The last one is the tough one.)
    , @Expletive Deleted
    Sunshine + cholesterol > Vitamin D.
    No sunshine > lipids silt up your heart or something.
    Mediterranean diet. Have you any idea what a fresh lettuce costs in Shetland? And their traditional fishing/lobster/scallop grounds are being strip-mined by Spaniards and other southern EU types, just about the only place a Brit gets to eat fresh cigalas is on vacation on the Costas. Herring has all but vanished.
    , @AM

    Spain and Italy benefit from the famous Mediterranean diet as well as a less sedentary lifestyle.
     
    My guess it might be mostly the walking and possibly all the good weather. Since it's a totally unPC blog, middle age to older Italian women are generally overweight and that has to do with "Mediterranean" diet. It's too carb heavy generally speaking.

    There appears to be a range of carbohydrate intake that's healthy and once you go over, it stress out the circulatory system. It's why serial marathoner runners tend to have crappy tickers in their old age. They do heart damage between the too much carbs and too much running.


    Once you get past vaccinations and antibiotics, the other stuff provides marginal benefits, especially in relation to the cost.
     
    Yep. Throw in blood transfusions and basically you've got almost all the technology that saves the average person. The vaccinations particularly help with infant mortality.
  22. Boozy Brits go belly up sooner than drinkwater Jews. Angles, Saxons, Jutlanders, Normans, Celts, Scandinavians and other native-born Brits imbibe more booze than do interloper Jews who stole their way into Britain through various shady ways.

    I would suggest that all politicians be encouraged quite strongly to debate while bombed on booze. I would love to have a debate on immigration with Jews such as US Senators Charles Schumer, Bernie Sanders and Dick Durbin or any other Jew politicians after all debate participants have drank 12 bottles of delicious Sierra Nevada ale. I would rhetorically crush these Jew politicians. They would start screaming and swearing and I would keep hammering the hell out of them with joy in my heart.

    Jews can’t handle their booze. Jews naturally fear that they will start revealing their inner natures and true opinions after heavily imbibing booze. That is why Jews do not booze as much as European Christians.

    Attention Vodka Jews who love to get bombed on vodka and debate the finer points of the Torah: I ain’t talking about you. God bless you, open the bottle, open the Torah and press your points! The Vodka Jews would broadcast their opinions to the whole world and not think twice about it.

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  23. hyperbola says:

    The Forward article is a good example of why we should shut down “journalism” schools.

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  24. t says:

    OT: When researching the 1965 immigration act I found this article:

    https://www.docdroid.net/L2XjOKx/out3.pdf

    Someone in 1965 was very clear thinking. I wonder how how much of the opposition to the Latin American limits were based on LBJ’s person soft spot for Mexicans, he was a teachers at Mexican schools in Texas before running for office and it clear had an effect on him.

    http://wlrn.org/post/lbj-carried-cotulla-him-civil-rights-fight

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  25. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jack D
    Spain and Italy benefit from the famous Mediterranean diet as well as a less sedentary lifestyle.

    Life expectancy has more to do with diet and lifestyle than with the health care system. Mexico's life expectancy is within spitting distance of the US despite the fact that they spend maybe 5 cents per capita on health care. Their entire health care budget wouldn't be a rounding error in the US and it has surprisingly little effect on their life expectancy. There are strong diminishing returns on health care spending just like almost everything else - you get 80%+ of your bang for the buck on the first 20% of spending. Once you get past vaccinations and antibiotics, the other stuff provides marginal benefits, especially in relation to the cost.

    Drinking again too– Mediterraneans drink quite a bit but rarely to drunkenness.

    I’d be surprised if Spain didn’t have fairly good doctors.

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  26. Holy smokes. I have a new favorite Jew billionaire. It turns out the owner and founder of Sierra Nevada brewery is a man named Ken Grossman. Steve Sailer will be pleased to know that Sierra Nevada founder Ken Grossman is also a Californian. That makes sense. Grossman somehow has made a brewery that never gets it wrong. Every damn beer that the Sierra Nevada Brewing Company makes is delicious heaven on this earth.
    I hereby suggest that some of you wealthy people who enjoy Steve Sailer’s insights and writing should immediately set up a special fund to finance a road trip for Sailer to go to Chico, California to make a mass purchase of wonderful Sierra Nevada beer. Sailer could rent a van and blog about his road trip to
    get the beer. Sailer could set up a beer cooler system in his basement.

    Jews everywhere should be proud of Ken Grossman. That guy either is a beer genius himself, or he has a talent for spotting genius in brewmasters. Either way this Grossman guy is a champ.

    I have drank thousands of pint glasses and bottles of Sierra Nevada, and I will drink thousands more.

    Steve Sailer blog readers who have the loot should sponsor the Steve Sailer Sierra Nevada Brewing Company beer run to Chico, California. Sailer on the road to Chico, can’t wait to read those reports.

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  27. @Altai
    OT: Apparently in the recent fuss over Asian applications to ivy-league schools a lot of documents were obtained (By Buzzfeed, of all places) pertaining to this. Including remarks about non-white American applicants essentially not being ethnocentric nationalists and thus not taken. This may explain the psycho breakdowns that happened at Princeton lately, they deliberately chose their black students on the basis of their overt ethnocentrism.

    http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2017/05/princeton-appears-to-penalize-minority-candidates-for-not-obsessing-about-their-race.html


    Of a Hispanic applicant, an admissions officer wrote, “Tough to see putting her ahead of others. No cultural flavor in app.”

    “Were there a touch more cultural flavor I'd be more enthusiastic,” one officer wrote of a native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander.

    officers candidly discussed the race of black, Latino, and Native American applicants, often seemingly searching for those who highlighted their racial backgrounds rather than checking off boxes on their Common Applications.

    "Nice essays, sweet personality," one admissions officer said of a multiracial applicant. "Bi-racial but not [National Hispanic Recognition Program] and no recognition of her [background] in app by anyone."

    When one reader called an applicant's Native American heritage "appealing," the other noted that the only place the boy had mentioned the heritage was in a checkbox on his Common Application. He called himself "a white boy," the admissions officer noted.


     

    a. Don’t care. Those poor minority students… eye roll.

    b. Would love to read their comments on a White applicant who obsessed about his race

    c. Can we FOIA our own college applications to public universities? Or do we have to sue to get them? I want to read their comments on me

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    • Replies: @oddsbodkins
    I care about a)

    People who graduate from places like Princeton run this country. The more they care about identity politics, and incorporate that into their personalities, the faster this country splits into unspeaking tribes.
  28. Ed says:

    I guess it’s understandable that Jews in the 50s wouldn’t want the census asking about religion. The govt should have plowed ahead regardless, this is important info and the Jews could have just left the answer blank.

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  29. @Lot
    Ancestral Southern Europeans live longer than northern ones. Look at a life expectancy map of Europe. Control for income, and it looks to be about 1.5 years.

    Living to 80 may be the only good thing Albanians are better at than Estonians.

    Is this true if you correct for the climate?

    Also, diet and alcohol consumption patterns are rather different.

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    • Replies: @Lot
    Very hard to control for something like that. Maybe look at small German towns in South America versus similar Spanish/Italian ones close by?

    My guess is it is a combo of genes, culture, mild climate, and diet.
  30. Dunno. But considering the blog I’m at, is the answer you’re looking for, “Because they’re poisoning the gentiles’ wells”?

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    • Replies: @utu
    “Because they’re poisoning the gentiles’ wells”?

    And what about consumption of children blood?
    , @oddsbodkins
    If Jews lived five years less than non-Jews, you would expect the reasons behind that to be a topic of much discussion on a website largely read by Jews, wouldn't you?
    , @Moshe
    Smiled out loud but heard haha in my mind's ear.

    Or:

    SOL BHH IMME
  31. OT- I would encourage everyone to read this article on unz.com

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/

    imagine if these photos of heather hyer had been posted the day of.

    Especially the newports.

    If somebody had posted that this woman was a nazi protestor who got killed, can you imagine what the comments would have been from the “left”?

    https://i2.wp.com/www.occidentaldissent.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/1504665162844.png?w=267

    https://i0.wp.com/www.occidentaldissent.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/heyer.jpg?w=267

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    • Replies: @res
    Have you looked into the idea of heart attack as the cause of death?
    , @Moshe
    I doubt that anything Richard Spencer has ever said, says, would say or even thinks, comes as close to rabid anti-semitism as does that article. It almost looks like a false flag article. It does not represent well on Ron Unz that this sort of stuff takes place on his platform.
  32. Scion says:

    Jews have an achievement oriented culture. They disdain boozing for its own sake. They look on that like we look on eating dog meat. And, they seem to eat a lot of fish.

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  33. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Jews, Muslims and Christians, Abrahamic faiths that diverge on matters alcoholic. Abstinence may be for religious, moral or health reasons. There is no doubt that overuse shortens life spans. There are numerous vices to avoid, do not self-select to die young from alcohol.

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  34. Sabril says:

    This reminds me of an old joke:

    There are 3 men lost in the desert — a German, a Frenchman, and a Jew.

    After a day or so, the German says “I’m so thirsty, I must have some beer.”

    The Frenchman says “I’m so thirsty, I must have wine!”

    The Jew says “I’m so thirsty, I must have diabetes!”

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  35. David says:

    In nature, animals less likely to die violent deaths (depredation, falling from a tree, etc.) have longer genetic life spans. Bats might live twenty years and mice two. Elephants and humans have few predators relative to rabbits, and they are social species, lowering risk for each individual in case of injury.

    My theory is that Jews, the people among us who have been part of civilization the longest, have evolved longer natural life spans because herding goats and growing millet is safer than hunting and gathering. Southern Europeans live longer than northern, per Lot, and they’ve been part of civilization longer. I’ll bet Scots live less long than English. Blacks and American Indians are the latest comers and they have the shortest life spans.

    Intelligence is also correlated with time spent “bumping along the Malthusian limit,” thus intelligence and longevity are correlated.

    To me, it’s conspicuously unfair to have people of known different expected life spans in the same life insurance or pension pools.

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  36. OFF TOPIC:

    Hurricane Irma is doing her own thing; this Tweet attempts to show predictions of Irma path and actual course of Irma. We’ll know by Monday:

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  37. David says:
    @slumber_j
    It's the booze, and you beat me to it. But I'd say it's pretty much entirely that.

    Unless one has spent a lot of time among them, it's pretty hard to imagine how much actual ethnic Britons drink--and particularly how much the now-very-old drank in their drinking heyday. Jews, on the other hand, tend to be on the abstemious side. It's two extremes, and 5 years' difference in longevity sounds about right.

    By the way, I learned about Jews and booze from my college professor Michael Blumenthal when our class met the morning after he'd been forced to have his annual night out with his colleague Seamus Heaney. Blumenthal did not look well, and he explained his condition thus: "Jews can't drink." I've since known some Sephardic Jews who like the sauce, but not too many Ashkenazis.

    Heaney--who did indeed like to drink--died at 74.

    A funny instance of this difference becoming apparent was International Jew replying to Steve’s confession that he’d drunk three beers after driving 20 hours, “Steve, I never thought of you as a drinker let along a serious one.”

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  38. slumber_j says:
    @Jack D
    Unlike some Asians (and Amerindians) who don't metabolize alcohol well and turn funny colors, Jews CAN drink, but most don't seem to enjoy drinking themselves into a total stupor in the Northern European style. Jews will stop after a drink or two and leave it at that, but certain Brits and other Northern Europeans have "hollow leg" syndrome where they just want to keep going and going to the blackout stage. And not just once in awhile, but often. What for Blumenthal was a once in a year event, I'd venture was for Heaney a daily occurrence.

    My son has roommates of N. Euro descent and he (and I) couldn't believe the amount of booze they ran thru their liver. I see his recycling and there is handle after handle of booze in there every week. When they moved in, my son had a small stock of liquor which for him was a year's supply, which they ran thru in a matter of days. They even ran thru the creme de menthe and other sweet liqueurs which are disgusting to drink in quantity. I was surprised that they didn't drink the vanilla extract.

    Right: I think Blumenthal meant “can’t” in a non-literal sense. What he really meant is, “Jews I know–and I’m one of them–don’t drink like Seamus Heaney unless they make a mistake or are forced to.”

    They even ran thru the creme de menthe and other sweet liqueurs which are disgusting to drink in quantity. I was surprised that they didn’t drink the vanilla extract.

    As my ex-brother-in-law informed me long ago, people in AA joke that if you still have vermouth around the house you’re not a real alcoholic.

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    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    Fucking vermouth! They sell it in huge bottles but it doesn't have a long shelf life, so you end up having to keep buying gin to make martinis to use up your vermouth. Buy vermouth for gin and then gin for your vermouth. What a cycle!
  39. res says:
    @27 year old
    OT- I would encourage everyone to read this article on unz.com

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/

    imagine if these photos of heather hyer had been posted the day of.

    Especially the newports.

    If somebody had posted that this woman was a nazi protestor who got killed, can you imagine what the comments would have been from the "left"?

    https://i2.wp.com/www.occidentaldissent.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/1504665162844.png?w=267

    https://i0.wp.com/www.occidentaldissent.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/heyer.jpg?w=267

    Have you looked into the idea of heart attack as the cause of death?

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  40. biz says:

    a 115 IQ leads to an average lifespan of 5.5 years longer than a 100 IQ. Some of the longer lifespan is no doubt due to better decision making due to higher IQ, but some of the longer lifespan and higher IQ is due to fewer unfavorable mutations.

    The biggest effect is that a 115 IQ is much more correlated with being in a higher socioeconomic class with better health.

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  41. @27 year old
    a. Don't care. Those poor minority students... eye roll.

    b. Would love to read their comments on a White applicant who obsessed about his race

    c. Can we FOIA our own college applications to public universities? Or do we have to sue to get them? I want to read their comments on me

    I care about a)

    People who graduate from places like Princeton run this country. The more they care about identity politics, and incorporate that into their personalities, the faster this country splits into unspeaking tribes.

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    • Replies: @Autochthon

    ...the faster this country splits into unspeaking tribes.
     
    You write that as if it were a bad thing....
    , @Alec Leamas

    People who graduate from places like Princeton run this country. The more they care about identity politics, and incorporate that into their personalities, the faster this country splits into unspeaking tribes.
     
    They want the white students to have the experience of getting harangued by these AA admits, and to get used to that as a normal part of life under the sanction of the Princeton administrative authorities.
  42. utu says:
    @International Jew
    Dunno. But considering the blog I'm at, is the answer you're looking for, "Because they're poisoning the gentiles' wells"?

    “Because they’re poisoning the gentiles’ wells”?

    And what about consumption of children blood?

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  43. @International Jew
    Dunno. But considering the blog I'm at, is the answer you're looking for, "Because they're poisoning the gentiles' wells"?

    If Jews lived five years less than non-Jews, you would expect the reasons behind that to be a topic of much discussion on a website largely read by Jews, wouldn’t you?

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    • Replies: @Lot
    A major topic on Jewish websites is the OQ: The Okinawan Question.
  44. Broski says:

    Charles Murray has a great 2007 article about Jewish intelligence in Commentary.

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/jewish-genius/

    This was, of course, before Pod the Lesser became editor. I suspect the three final sentences greatly facilitated the article’s publication: “Why should one particular tribe at the time of Moses, living in the same environment as other nomadic and agricultural peoples of the Middle East, have already evolved elevated intelligence when the others did not? At this point, I take sanctuary in my remaining hypothesis, uniquely parsimonious and happily irrefutable. The Jews are God’s chosen people.”

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    • Replies: @Moshe
    Wouldn't one expect God's chosen people to not have gone through a holocaust within the past Century?

    The claim that the Jews were once God's chosen people and that with the Advent of Christ and the Christian era they became God's most accursed people seems more reasonable then to believe that Jews were and are God's chosen people. I am not confident about either hypothesis but I would be curious to hear a point of view that one seriously posits to the effect that the Jews were, are and will be God's chosen people. Honestly, if there is someone in charge, you wouldn't expect God to allow his chosen people to be murdered by their millions in gas chambers, ovens and slave camps.

    , @gcochran
    Murray's article was dead wrong. Selection had to be recent, since Ashkenazi Jews are mostly (60%) European.
    , @Rifleman

    At this point, I take sanctuary in my remaining hypothesis, uniquely parsimonious and happily irrefutable. The Jews are God’s chosen people.”
     
    This would be an example of Steve Sailer's favorite misguided idea - Ockham's razor.

    Murray went Full Shabbos Goy on that one.
    , @attilathehen
    Present day Jews are not the "chosen." They are not related to the Jews of Jesus' time.
  45. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Altai
    OT: Apparently in the recent fuss over Asian applications to ivy-league schools a lot of documents were obtained (By Buzzfeed, of all places) pertaining to this. Including remarks about non-white American applicants essentially not being ethnocentric nationalists and thus not taken. This may explain the psycho breakdowns that happened at Princeton lately, they deliberately chose their black students on the basis of their overt ethnocentrism.

    http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2017/05/princeton-appears-to-penalize-minority-candidates-for-not-obsessing-about-their-race.html


    Of a Hispanic applicant, an admissions officer wrote, “Tough to see putting her ahead of others. No cultural flavor in app.”

    “Were there a touch more cultural flavor I'd be more enthusiastic,” one officer wrote of a native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander.

    officers candidly discussed the race of black, Latino, and Native American applicants, often seemingly searching for those who highlighted their racial backgrounds rather than checking off boxes on their Common Applications.

    "Nice essays, sweet personality," one admissions officer said of a multiracial applicant. "Bi-racial but not [National Hispanic Recognition Program] and no recognition of her [background] in app by anyone."

    When one reader called an applicant's Native American heritage "appealing," the other noted that the only place the boy had mentioned the heritage was in a checkbox on his Common Application. He called himself "a white boy," the admissions officer noted.


     

    Hmm, cultural flavor. That’s gooood. Whites who have a lot of cultural flavor are called bad names. Whites with lots of cultural flavor, bad. Every other race or ethnicity with lots of cultural flavor, good.

    What would happen if a white applicant to Princeton wrote that their very white community where they’ve grown up gives them a tremendous sense of the self? That it reinforces them when they face adversity or attempt something challenging. That it’s helped them to develop a great respect and admiration for their people’s history? In general, that their very white community has made them stronger.

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  46. t says:

    OT: When researching the 1965 immigration act I found this article:

    https://www.docdroid.net/L2XjOKx/out3.pdf

    Someone in 1965 was very clear thinking. I wonder how how much of the opposition to the Latin American limits were based on LBJ’s person soft spot for Mexicans, he was a teachers at Mexican schools in Texas before running for office and it clear had an effect on him.

    http://wlrn.org/post/lbj-carried-cotulla-him-civil-rights-fight

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  47. Anon 2 says:

    Counterexample: Richard Feynman (Jewish physicist) died at
    only 69.

    One reason may be – different attitudes toward death. It is said that
    Judaism makes it easier to live but Christianity makes it easier to
    die. Once I was sitting next to an elderly Jewish couple on a transcontinental
    flight. Every time the plane lurched (which didn’t bother me since Clear
    Air Turbulence is perfectly normal) the couple would reach for their
    prayer book. That’s when I began to suspect that Jews perhaps are
    more afraid of death than Christians. Christians typically believe in
    an afterlife and 25% in fact believe in reincarnation so death is not such
    a big deal – it’s like passing through a door from one room to another,
    as my grandma used to say. As a result it becomes easier to take great
    risks in life. Drinking yourself to death as Jack Kerouac did
    or blowing your brains out as was the case for Hemingway are
    perfectly honorable options.

    But the simplest way to avoid early death is to avoid dangerous occupations.
    Stay away from working with high voltage equipment, or mining, or
    construction or police and fire or first responder work, and you’ll
    minimize your chances of accidents. Women and Jews are underrepresented
    in these lines of work so that’s partly why they live longer.

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    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    Did Feynman drink a lot? He certainly had impressive stripper game, did he learn that in the right kind of bar? Some sites say he visited strip clubs almost daily, working on physics equations while sat at the bar.
    , @BB753
    I've never heard of any kind of Christian denomination holding a belief in reincarnation, or considering suicide anything other than a capital sin.
  48. Romanian says: • Website

    Maybe it is the dysgenic effect of breeding and survival patterns leading to mutational loads? With Jewish inbreeding leading to the actual manifestation of life threatening diseases, I imagine the individuals with high mutational loads get weeded out? I remember remarking this in an article on the genetics center catering to the Amish – the inbreeding leads to the manifestation of deleterious genes in individuals who do not survive or start families.

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    Good points. But that will be changing. We are at the end of the Ashkenazi Jews. Here in the US they have a high median age and many are marrying blacks/Asians. In Israel, Israeli Jewish IQ is 93 and dropping. Over the next few years we'll see a reversal in longevity. That "115 IQ" is mostly a myth. There aren't that many Jews to begin with. They are very moderate drinkers but that was due to keeping their wits about them as they tried to survive through the centuries in Europe. Not era is over and other degeneracies inherent to them will take over.
  49. @Jack D
    Spain and Italy benefit from the famous Mediterranean diet as well as a less sedentary lifestyle.

    Life expectancy has more to do with diet and lifestyle than with the health care system. Mexico's life expectancy is within spitting distance of the US despite the fact that they spend maybe 5 cents per capita on health care. Their entire health care budget wouldn't be a rounding error in the US and it has surprisingly little effect on their life expectancy. There are strong diminishing returns on health care spending just like almost everything else - you get 80%+ of your bang for the buck on the first 20% of spending. Once you get past vaccinations and antibiotics, the other stuff provides marginal benefits, especially in relation to the cost.

    Life expectancy has more to do with diet and lifestyle than with the health care system. Mexico’s life expectancy is within spitting distance of the US despite the fact that they spend maybe 5 cents per capita on health care. Their entire health care budget wouldn’t be a rounding error in the US and it has surprisingly little effect on their life expectancy. There are strong diminishing returns on health care spending just like almost everything else – you get 80%+ of your bang for the buck on the first 20% of spending. Once you get past vaccinations and antibiotics, the other stuff provides marginal benefits, especially in relation to the cost.

    Bang on Jack.

    The great health care innovations:
    –> Sewers
    –> Vaccines
    –> Antibiotics

    There’s some “nice to haves” from the latest medicine–some cancers can be beat, they can replace some joints (generally once)–but it’s not the bread and butter of life expectancy.

    –> Get off your ass and get out for a walk.

    –> Don’t carb load. (Though even that’s more about looking decent.)

    –> Pick your parents very carefully.

    (The last one is the tough one.)

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  50. @Jack D
    Unlike some Asians (and Amerindians) who don't metabolize alcohol well and turn funny colors, Jews CAN drink, but most don't seem to enjoy drinking themselves into a total stupor in the Northern European style. Jews will stop after a drink or two and leave it at that, but certain Brits and other Northern Europeans have "hollow leg" syndrome where they just want to keep going and going to the blackout stage. And not just once in awhile, but often. What for Blumenthal was a once in a year event, I'd venture was for Heaney a daily occurrence.

    My son has roommates of N. Euro descent and he (and I) couldn't believe the amount of booze they ran thru their liver. I see his recycling and there is handle after handle of booze in there every week. When they moved in, my son had a small stock of liquor which for him was a year's supply, which they ran thru in a matter of days. They even ran thru the creme de menthe and other sweet liqueurs which are disgusting to drink in quantity. I was surprised that they didn't drink the vanilla extract.

    Unlike some Asians (and Amerindians) who don’t metabolize alcohol well and turn funny colors, Jews CAN drink, but most don’t seem to enjoy drinking themselves into a total stupor in the Northern European style. Jews will stop after a drink or two and leave it at that, but certain Brits and other Northern Europeans have “hollow leg” syndrome where they just want to keep going and going to the blackout stage.

    Yeah this. There does seem to be something wrong with my people in the alcohol department. And I don’t just mean “the Irish”.

    I’m all for, “hey we’re done here, let’s go have a beer and relax.” But this “let’s get hammered!” thing is very weird and simply put, “stupid”. The Jews on average definitely have a better culture and genetically seem to have fewer loons prone to having severe problems.

    And my take–long gone from that age–it seems like the drinking culture has gotten noticeably *worse* among young Anglo-Saxons as religion has declined and their nations are ripped open and dosed with “diversity”. Or in other words as the globo-scum strip meaning from their lives.

    Hopefully, after the revolution ;-) when we’ve got our nations back, we’ll line the globalists up against the wall, shoot ‘em and then just go for a cheery celebratory beer.

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    Definition of an Irish homosexual: one who prefers women over the bottle.
    , @Frau Katze
    Just going by anecdote and people I've know, the Anglo-Saxons are practically teetotalers compared to the Celts: Irish and Scotch.

    I heard a story of an Irishman who, post WW II, went to Germany as a "guest worker."

    He was amazed to see a beer vending machine at his place of work.

    He said a beer vending machine was unthinkable in Ireland, The whole shift would be drunk by the end of it.

    Scottish Presbyterians were so concerned that they still use grape juice instead of wine for communion.

    Three of my grandparents were Celtic and there was some family alcoholism. Thankfully it seems not have affected my generation or our children.
  51. @Jack D
    Unlike some Asians (and Amerindians) who don't metabolize alcohol well and turn funny colors, Jews CAN drink, but most don't seem to enjoy drinking themselves into a total stupor in the Northern European style. Jews will stop after a drink or two and leave it at that, but certain Brits and other Northern Europeans have "hollow leg" syndrome where they just want to keep going and going to the blackout stage. And not just once in awhile, but often. What for Blumenthal was a once in a year event, I'd venture was for Heaney a daily occurrence.

    My son has roommates of N. Euro descent and he (and I) couldn't believe the amount of booze they ran thru their liver. I see his recycling and there is handle after handle of booze in there every week. When they moved in, my son had a small stock of liquor which for him was a year's supply, which they ran thru in a matter of days. They even ran thru the creme de menthe and other sweet liqueurs which are disgusting to drink in quantity. I was surprised that they didn't drink the vanilla extract.

    This has been my experience as well. I never knew many Jews growing up but became friendly with one in my twenties through work. I thought it strange that he didn’t drink to excess 3 or 4 times a week like most of my other friends and family do. He was literally the only guy I knew who would stop somewhere for “a beer or 2″ and quit after a beer or 2. We all thought he was a pussy and teased him about it. Just to clarify my other friends and family are all Irish/German proles and hard drinking is a very central part of our culture. I now believe that hard drinking is not something that most Jews do. I’m not saying the way the Goyim drinks is a postitive btw, actually I feel it is a symptom of our decline.

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  52. @Romanian
    Maybe it is the dysgenic effect of breeding and survival patterns leading to mutational loads? With Jewish inbreeding leading to the actual manifestation of life threatening diseases, I imagine the individuals with high mutational loads get weeded out? I remember remarking this in an article on the genetics center catering to the Amish - the inbreeding leads to the manifestation of deleterious genes in individuals who do not survive or start families.

    Good points. But that will be changing. We are at the end of the Ashkenazi Jews. Here in the US they have a high median age and many are marrying blacks/Asians. In Israel, Israeli Jewish IQ is 93 and dropping. Over the next few years we’ll see a reversal in longevity. That “115 IQ” is mostly a myth. There aren’t that many Jews to begin with. They are very moderate drinkers but that was due to keeping their wits about them as they tried to survive through the centuries in Europe. Not era is over and other degeneracies inherent to them will take over.

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    • Replies: @Broski
    Jews have been persisting as a diaspora for 2000 years. I doubt they're going anywhere.
  53. Considering that this is British census data, it would be reasonable to attribute the Jews’ greater longevity to their superior cuisine.

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    No cuisine that lacks bacon could conceivably be called superior.
  54. Tyrion says:

    Female life expectancy at birth in Monaco is 93.5 years old. Money for the very best health care, the genetics that help you to make money, not over-drinking and a decent diet go a long way.

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  55. @Altai
    OT: Apparently in the recent fuss over Asian applications to ivy-league schools a lot of documents were obtained (By Buzzfeed, of all places) pertaining to this. Including remarks about non-white American applicants essentially not being ethnocentric nationalists and thus not taken. This may explain the psycho breakdowns that happened at Princeton lately, they deliberately chose their black students on the basis of their overt ethnocentrism.

    http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2017/05/princeton-appears-to-penalize-minority-candidates-for-not-obsessing-about-their-race.html


    Of a Hispanic applicant, an admissions officer wrote, “Tough to see putting her ahead of others. No cultural flavor in app.”

    “Were there a touch more cultural flavor I'd be more enthusiastic,” one officer wrote of a native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander.

    officers candidly discussed the race of black, Latino, and Native American applicants, often seemingly searching for those who highlighted their racial backgrounds rather than checking off boxes on their Common Applications.

    "Nice essays, sweet personality," one admissions officer said of a multiracial applicant. "Bi-racial but not [National Hispanic Recognition Program] and no recognition of her [background] in app by anyone."

    When one reader called an applicant's Native American heritage "appealing," the other noted that the only place the boy had mentioned the heritage was in a checkbox on his Common Application. He called himself "a white boy," the admissions officer noted.


     

    Why didn’t you post this in the blog thread immediately before this one which is on Advanced Placement courses and race? The people in that thread would have been very interested in this topic.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-are-too-many-students-taking-advanced-placement-tests/#new_comments

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  56. Groups that have longer lifespans always have tight-knit purpose-driven communities. For some reason virtually no one wants to accept this simple truth.

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  57. @Jack D
    Unlike some Asians (and Amerindians) who don't metabolize alcohol well and turn funny colors, Jews CAN drink, but most don't seem to enjoy drinking themselves into a total stupor in the Northern European style. Jews will stop after a drink or two and leave it at that, but certain Brits and other Northern Europeans have "hollow leg" syndrome where they just want to keep going and going to the blackout stage. And not just once in awhile, but often. What for Blumenthal was a once in a year event, I'd venture was for Heaney a daily occurrence.

    My son has roommates of N. Euro descent and he (and I) couldn't believe the amount of booze they ran thru their liver. I see his recycling and there is handle after handle of booze in there every week. When they moved in, my son had a small stock of liquor which for him was a year's supply, which they ran thru in a matter of days. They even ran thru the creme de menthe and other sweet liqueurs which are disgusting to drink in quantity. I was surprised that they didn't drink the vanilla extract.

    Tut-tut Jack – you really must convince your son to find a better class of roommate.
    Old time Wasps don’t drink like that – are you sure they’re not Irish?

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    Tad Friend, in his family history, describes a great deal of drinking:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=SU2M1IV3-Y8C&pg=PT92&lpg=PT92#v=onepage&q&f=false
    , @Jack D
    I just finished reading Gore Vidal's autobiography - he grew up in Wash, DC upper class WASPY circles and describes a LOT of drinking in his family. He himself died of Wernicke–Korsakoff syndrome, a brain disorder caused by alcoholism. Then again, he also seemed to think that EVERYONE was interested in having same-sex relations as he was, so maybe when he was describing drinking habits he was describing himself.

    As another data point, I have a brother-in-law of old line Dutch-American stock. He's a professor, his brother was State Dept, etc. - definitely bona fide upper class WASP background. And the man also drinks more than any Jew that I know (and so does his brother). As others mention, most Jews (if they drink at all) stop after a couple.

    His roommates are not WASP, just sort of generic American middle class. W, by the way, is supposed to mean wealthy (sometimes ex-wealthy) and not just white. At one time white Anglo-Saxon Protestant described maybe 90% of all Americans so it was not much of a description (and Anglo-Saxons are always white and usually Protestant so you could have just said Anglo-Saxon). Nice guys except for that alcohol thing. For one of them, it is beginning to affect his health already and he's a young guy. Sad.
  58. dearieme says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Considering that this is British census data, it would be reasonable to attribute the Jews' greater longevity to their superior cuisine.

    No cuisine that lacks bacon could conceivably be called superior.

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  59. Mark Caplan says: • Website
    @Jack D
    I think if you eliminate excessive alcohol (Jews drink but not nearly as much as Brits) from your diet you will live longer. Being rich and intelligent is also good for your health.

    I'm guessing that if you were to match the British Jews 1 for 1 with non-Jewish Brits of comparable socio-economic status there wouldn't be that much of a difference, except for the small residual resulting from differences in alcohol consumption.

    The Forward article says differentials in alcohol consumption do not account for Jews’ greater longevity, at least in America, but the passage isn’t entirely clear:

    Jews who make it past 95 have dietary habits and levels of alcohol consumption and physical activity similar to their shorter-lived counterparts

    This refers to American Jews and not British Jews. Apparently there aren’t data to show that American Jews live longer than American gentiles. Among large demographic groups in America, I thought I had read that Hispanics are the longevity winners.

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    The Forward article says differentials in alcohol consumption do not account for Jews’ greater longevity, at least in America, but the passage isn’t entirely clear:

    Jews who make it past 95 have dietary habits and levels of alcohol consumption and physical activity similar to their shorter-lived counterparts
     

     
    I don't think this has much to do with the Jew/Gentile question--how much genes? how much lifestyle? The point here is the really long lived Jews don't look lifestyle wise any different from other Jews.

    This is just more data for the--i hope--pretty well understood point that lifestyle only buys you so much. Basically lifestyle (and some luck) can keep you from pre-maturely killing yourself. But the folks who live really long lives are genetically privileged.

    To be clear i think this is the limit case. If you look at people who die at 60, i think you'll find that they do differ--on average--in lifestyle from the folks who live longer. Dying early usually stems from either being dealth a bad hand of genes, pretty bad lifestyle, bad luck ... or a combination. As you go up to 70 deaths will look more like the general population, but still skew slightly "worse lifestyle". Into the 80s ... you won't see any difference. Into the 90s pluses on most factors. Into the high 90s or centerians, the overwhelming factor is that they have superior genes.
  60. Mark Caplan says: • Website
    @AnotherDad

    Unlike some Asians (and Amerindians) who don’t metabolize alcohol well and turn funny colors, Jews CAN drink, but most don’t seem to enjoy drinking themselves into a total stupor in the Northern European style. Jews will stop after a drink or two and leave it at that, but certain Brits and other Northern Europeans have “hollow leg” syndrome where they just want to keep going and going to the blackout stage.
     
    Yeah this. There does seem to be something wrong with my people in the alcohol department. And I don't just mean "the Irish".

    I'm all for, "hey we're done here, let's go have a beer and relax." But this "let's get hammered!" thing is very weird and simply put, "stupid". The Jews on average definitely have a better culture and genetically seem to have fewer loons prone to having severe problems.

    And my take--long gone from that age--it seems like the drinking culture has gotten noticeably *worse* among young Anglo-Saxons as religion has declined and their nations are ripped open and dosed with "diversity". Or in other words as the globo-scum strip meaning from their lives.

    Hopefully, after the revolution ;-) when we've got our nations back, we'll line the globalists up against the wall, shoot 'em and then just go for a cheery celebratory beer.

    Definition of an Irish homosexual: one who prefers women over the bottle.

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    Definition of an Irish homosexual: one who prefers women over the bottle.
     
    IRISHMAN: Somebody who will trample over 12 naked women to reach a bottle of Guinness.

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    He's divorcing his wife because she has a sobering effect on him – she hides the bottle.

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    Alcohol is a substance that makes married men see double and feel single.

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    [Jokes from Hal Roach, Irish comedian]

    , @Chrisnonymous
    This is calling out for a joke about Irish penis size.
  61. 3g4me says:

    As others have noted, a lot of Europeans drink insane amounts. Part of that, at least in England, is due to the pub being the center of social life – while plenty of Americans go to the bar, historically White Americans also had numerous voluntary social organizations (as noted by de Tocqueville) and work/social combos (barn raising, quilting bees , etc.). I don’t like the taste of beer (with the exception of Berlinner weisse with syrup) and had to work at drinking shandy and other milder forms of alcohol during my time in the UK, but I faced no real problems with all the wine and harder alcohol during our diplomatic years. When my friend and her English husband come to dinner, we all have a good time but her spouse and my older son put away a LOT of beer.

    My kids don’t have abstemious parents, but we’re largely social drinkers (although we both had youthful occasions of excess). The older boy, however, seems to possess a definite taste for booze (his Irish great-great grandfather and daughter – my husband’s grandmother – were both drunks) along with a predilection for high-adrenaline activities.

    I just don’t understand people’s absolute fetish about lifespans and terror of death. I’m in no great hurry to die, but the idea doesn’t petrify me (although some of the means certainly do). If I were to be diagnosed with advanced cancer, I’m fairly sure I’d follow my late mother-in-law’s lead – hospice care and a peaceful death without months of invasive care and machines and pain and no privacy. An extra few years of friendship or travel or intellectual pursuits would be one thing , but in general those “extra” 5 years or so are spent on multiple medications and cost a staggering amount of money and care by others (my kids already know the very last thing their parents intend is for them to be forced to dedicate years of their lives to caring for our aging carcasses).

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  62. @Jack D
    Unlike some Asians (and Amerindians) who don't metabolize alcohol well and turn funny colors, Jews CAN drink, but most don't seem to enjoy drinking themselves into a total stupor in the Northern European style. Jews will stop after a drink or two and leave it at that, but certain Brits and other Northern Europeans have "hollow leg" syndrome where they just want to keep going and going to the blackout stage. And not just once in awhile, but often. What for Blumenthal was a once in a year event, I'd venture was for Heaney a daily occurrence.

    My son has roommates of N. Euro descent and he (and I) couldn't believe the amount of booze they ran thru their liver. I see his recycling and there is handle after handle of booze in there every week. When they moved in, my son had a small stock of liquor which for him was a year's supply, which they ran thru in a matter of days. They even ran thru the creme de menthe and other sweet liqueurs which are disgusting to drink in quantity. I was surprised that they didn't drink the vanilla extract.

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  63. @Jack D
    I think if you eliminate excessive alcohol (Jews drink but not nearly as much as Brits) from your diet you will live longer. Being rich and intelligent is also good for your health.

    I'm guessing that if you were to match the British Jews 1 for 1 with non-Jewish Brits of comparable socio-economic status there wouldn't be that much of a difference, except for the small residual resulting from differences in alcohol consumption.

    Not many Jewish coalminers, foundry-workers, trawlermen, farmhands, foresters, sailors, steel erectors or brickies in those days (or ever).
    Of course clerical workers, shopkeepers and landlords outlive the grunts. And just try and stick a grunt job for forty years (fifty back then) without needing constant rehydration while dodging the lead plumbing. Everyone but everyone smoked like lords’ bastards (took the edge off your depression-, then war-, then rationing-whetted appetite, very handy, and most kept the habit).
    Retired Army brass drink/drank horrifying amounts, far more than the plebs (the hard stuff, as did their wives/mistresses) because they could afford it, but again, Jews cruelly under-represented in that post-war cohort, due to bigotry or something no doubt.

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    It used to be that drinking was just taken for granted.

    For example, in Ian Fleming's biography it says that, when he was diagnosed with heart failure, Fleming's cardiologist told him to switch from gin to bourbon (or vice versa--I don't remember) for his heart!
  64. @slumber_j
    It's the booze, and you beat me to it. But I'd say it's pretty much entirely that.

    Unless one has spent a lot of time among them, it's pretty hard to imagine how much actual ethnic Britons drink--and particularly how much the now-very-old drank in their drinking heyday. Jews, on the other hand, tend to be on the abstemious side. It's two extremes, and 5 years' difference in longevity sounds about right.

    By the way, I learned about Jews and booze from my college professor Michael Blumenthal when our class met the morning after he'd been forced to have his annual night out with his colleague Seamus Heaney. Blumenthal did not look well, and he explained his condition thus: "Jews can't drink." I've since known some Sephardic Jews who like the sauce, but not too many Ashkenazis.

    Heaney--who did indeed like to drink--died at 74.

    Non-Orthodox Jews drink plenty of alcohol, especially in Northern Europe. And in Israel, too, you will find plenty of alcoholics (including passed out on the street with a bottle of vodka).

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    Those are Russians, very few of them had eight great-grandparents who considered themselves Jewish.
  65. @IHTG
    Israel's average life expectancy is high too, and would be even higher without the Arabs. Spain and Italy rank high as well - it's possible that Mediterraneans get more bang from their health care buck, as I doubt either of these countries has a top notch public health care system.

    The healthcare systems in Spain and Italy are excellent. And in Israel there is also comparatively excellent healthcare – which is why it’s so popular for medical tourism from the FSU.

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  66. @Jack D
    Spain and Italy benefit from the famous Mediterranean diet as well as a less sedentary lifestyle.

    Life expectancy has more to do with diet and lifestyle than with the health care system. Mexico's life expectancy is within spitting distance of the US despite the fact that they spend maybe 5 cents per capita on health care. Their entire health care budget wouldn't be a rounding error in the US and it has surprisingly little effect on their life expectancy. There are strong diminishing returns on health care spending just like almost everything else - you get 80%+ of your bang for the buck on the first 20% of spending. Once you get past vaccinations and antibiotics, the other stuff provides marginal benefits, especially in relation to the cost.

    Sunshine + cholesterol > Vitamin D.
    No sunshine > lipids silt up your heart or something.
    Mediterranean diet. Have you any idea what a fresh lettuce costs in Shetland? And their traditional fishing/lobster/scallop grounds are being strip-mined by Spaniards and other southern EU types, just about the only place a Brit gets to eat fresh cigalas is on vacation on the Costas. Herring has all but vanished.

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    If a fresh lettuce somehow made its way to Shetland they would batter dip it and deep fry it the way they do everything else.
  67. Moshe says:
    @slumber_j
    It's the booze, and you beat me to it. But I'd say it's pretty much entirely that.

    Unless one has spent a lot of time among them, it's pretty hard to imagine how much actual ethnic Britons drink--and particularly how much the now-very-old drank in their drinking heyday. Jews, on the other hand, tend to be on the abstemious side. It's two extremes, and 5 years' difference in longevity sounds about right.

    By the way, I learned about Jews and booze from my college professor Michael Blumenthal when our class met the morning after he'd been forced to have his annual night out with his colleague Seamus Heaney. Blumenthal did not look well, and he explained his condition thus: "Jews can't drink." I've since known some Sephardic Jews who like the sauce, but not too many Ashkenazis.

    Heaney--who did indeed like to drink--died at 74.

    If it were drink alone, or even primarily, that would shock me.

    I have never heard that dribkers lose so much of their lives in pursuit of the habit.

    As a man of Ashkenazi descent I drink but rarely to extremes.

    Then again, even fundamentalists cultures have a valve-day when anything goes.

    For Orthodox Jews it’s Purim and basically involves copious amounts of drink and talking during prayers. It also used to involve cool parents dressing their boys as girls or blacks but that is probably becoming less common.

    But yes, please guve me dara on alcohol. It seems quite important.

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  68. @slumber_j
    It's the booze, and you beat me to it. But I'd say it's pretty much entirely that.

    Unless one has spent a lot of time among them, it's pretty hard to imagine how much actual ethnic Britons drink--and particularly how much the now-very-old drank in their drinking heyday. Jews, on the other hand, tend to be on the abstemious side. It's two extremes, and 5 years' difference in longevity sounds about right.

    By the way, I learned about Jews and booze from my college professor Michael Blumenthal when our class met the morning after he'd been forced to have his annual night out with his colleague Seamus Heaney. Blumenthal did not look well, and he explained his condition thus: "Jews can't drink." I've since known some Sephardic Jews who like the sauce, but not too many Ashkenazis.

    Heaney--who did indeed like to drink--died at 74.

    As an ethnic Briton (ok I’m not Welsh, but .. ) I am always gobsmacked by the amount the Danes and Germans neck, all day, every day. LagerLagerLager, make me feel like a lightweight. And don’t get me started on the Poles & Baltics. Turbo-chuggers. Keep the thinners and the horse liniment away from them.
    The French pack away a decent bucket of wine too, but on the sly, and I’ve noticed their cops don’t seem to give a toss about actual French people “driving” at night completely plastered, like one-foot-hanging-out-the-window-and-singing drunk. Terrifying. The French don’t drive on the right or the left at the best of times, just wherever they fancy, so I was alert to the lane-slaloming already.
    The only sensible Euro drinkers are the Iberians, Italians, Dutch, Czechs and, weirdly, Belgians. I know if I lived there I’d be trying one delicious brew after another, and all different.
    The Nogs (anything over The Bridge, as far as Russia) pretty much aren’t allowed to drink, it disagrees with them. Finns just die of cirrhosis in their cabins in the forest and get eaten by bears, so stats aren’t available.

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  69. Yak-15 says:
    @Jack D
    Unlike some Asians (and Amerindians) who don't metabolize alcohol well and turn funny colors, Jews CAN drink, but most don't seem to enjoy drinking themselves into a total stupor in the Northern European style. Jews will stop after a drink or two and leave it at that, but certain Brits and other Northern Europeans have "hollow leg" syndrome where they just want to keep going and going to the blackout stage. And not just once in awhile, but often. What for Blumenthal was a once in a year event, I'd venture was for Heaney a daily occurrence.

    My son has roommates of N. Euro descent and he (and I) couldn't believe the amount of booze they ran thru their liver. I see his recycling and there is handle after handle of booze in there every week. When they moved in, my son had a small stock of liquor which for him was a year's supply, which they ran thru in a matter of days. They even ran thru the creme de menthe and other sweet liqueurs which are disgusting to drink in quantity. I was surprised that they didn't drink the vanilla extract.

    What Asians don’t metabolize alcohol well? Indians? Indonesians?

    Chinese, Koreans and Japanese have extreme booze cultures in business. Being able to drink HARD is even a prerequisite for some jobs.

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    • Replies: @Broski
    "Chinese, Koreans and Japanese have extreme booze cultures in business. Being able to drink HARD is even a prerequisite for some jobs."

    Those are the same ones many of whom exhibit the "Asian glow." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction
  70. @Mark Caplan
    The Forward article says differentials in alcohol consumption do not account for Jews' greater longevity, at least in America, but the passage isn't entirely clear:

    Jews who make it past 95 have dietary habits and levels of alcohol consumption and physical activity similar to their shorter-lived counterparts
     
    This refers to American Jews and not British Jews. Apparently there aren't data to show that American Jews live longer than American gentiles. Among large demographic groups in America, I thought I had read that Hispanics are the longevity winners.

    The Forward article says differentials in alcohol consumption do not account for Jews’ greater longevity, at least in America, but the passage isn’t entirely clear:

    Jews who make it past 95 have dietary habits and levels of alcohol consumption and physical activity similar to their shorter-lived counterparts

    I don’t think this has much to do with the Jew/Gentile question–how much genes? how much lifestyle? The point here is the really long lived Jews don’t look lifestyle wise any different from other Jews.

    This is just more data for the–i hope–pretty well understood point that lifestyle only buys you so much. Basically lifestyle (and some luck) can keep you from pre-maturely killing yourself. But the folks who live really long lives are genetically privileged.

    To be clear i think this is the limit case. If you look at people who die at 60, i think you’ll find that they do differ–on average–in lifestyle from the folks who live longer. Dying early usually stems from either being dealth a bad hand of genes, pretty bad lifestyle, bad luck … or a combination. As you go up to 70 deaths will look more like the general population, but still skew slightly “worse lifestyle”. Into the 80s … you won’t see any difference. Into the 90s pluses on most factors. Into the high 90s or centerians, the overwhelming factor is that they have superior genes.

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    Thanks. I had misunderstood the paragraph on drinking. You got it right.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    This is a pretty good summary of death.
  71. Broski says:
    @attilathehen
    Good points. But that will be changing. We are at the end of the Ashkenazi Jews. Here in the US they have a high median age and many are marrying blacks/Asians. In Israel, Israeli Jewish IQ is 93 and dropping. Over the next few years we'll see a reversal in longevity. That "115 IQ" is mostly a myth. There aren't that many Jews to begin with. They are very moderate drinkers but that was due to keeping their wits about them as they tried to survive through the centuries in Europe. Not era is over and other degeneracies inherent to them will take over.

    Jews have been persisting as a diaspora for 2000 years. I doubt they’re going anywhere.

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    I didn't say "they were going anywhere." I said this is a miscegenated, meshuggah melange who is deteriorating rapidly. There will be some Jews, but they won't look like the Ashkenazi Jews of the West. The Ashkenazis are disappearing and the Sephardis and black/Asian Jews are now the majority. I support Israel because we need to send the Jews in the West to Israel. Shortly, Jews will be very strange creatures.
  72. Moshe says:
    @International Jew
    Dunno. But considering the blog I'm at, is the answer you're looking for, "Because they're poisoning the gentiles' wells"?

    Smiled out loud but heard haha in my mind’s ear.

    Or:

    SOL BHH IMME

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  73. Broski says:
    @Yak-15
    What Asians don't metabolize alcohol well? Indians? Indonesians?

    Chinese, Koreans and Japanese have extreme booze cultures in business. Being able to drink HARD is even a prerequisite for some jobs.

    “Chinese, Koreans and Japanese have extreme booze cultures in business. Being able to drink HARD is even a prerequisite for some jobs.”

    Those are the same ones many of whom exhibit the “Asian glow.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction

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    I feel like drinking through that genetic issue makes them much more FRAT.
  74. Moshe says:
    @27 year old
    OT- I would encourage everyone to read this article on unz.com

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/

    imagine if these photos of heather hyer had been posted the day of.

    Especially the newports.

    If somebody had posted that this woman was a nazi protestor who got killed, can you imagine what the comments would have been from the "left"?

    https://i2.wp.com/www.occidentaldissent.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/1504665162844.png?w=267

    https://i0.wp.com/www.occidentaldissent.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/heyer.jpg?w=267

    I doubt that anything Richard Spencer has ever said, says, would say or even thinks, comes as close to rabid anti-semitism as does that article. It almost looks like a false flag article. It does not represent well on Ron Unz that this sort of stuff takes place on his platform.

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  75. Moshe says:
    @Broski
    Charles Murray has a great 2007 article about Jewish intelligence in Commentary.

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/jewish-genius/

    This was, of course, before Pod the Lesser became editor. I suspect the three final sentences greatly facilitated the article's publication: "Why should one particular tribe at the time of Moses, living in the same environment as other nomadic and agricultural peoples of the Middle East, have already evolved elevated intelligence when the others did not? At this point, I take sanctuary in my remaining hypothesis, uniquely parsimonious and happily irrefutable. The Jews are God’s chosen people."

    Wouldn’t one expect God’s chosen people to not have gone through a holocaust within the past Century?

    The claim that the Jews were once God’s chosen people and that with the Advent of Christ and the Christian era they became God’s most accursed people seems more reasonable then to believe that Jews were and are God’s chosen people. I am not confident about either hypothesis but I would be curious to hear a point of view that one seriously posits to the effect that the Jews were, are and will be God’s chosen people. Honestly, if there is someone in charge, you wouldn’t expect God to allow his chosen people to be murdered by their millions in gas chambers, ovens and slave camps.

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    • Replies: @Santoculto
    Jeezz
    , @Jack D
    Sholem Aleichem's Tevye said that if the Jews are God's chosen people, he wishes that He would choose them a little less often.

    There is no good answer for why bad things happen to good people but lots of lousy answers. Among these are that God's ways are not like our ways so we cannot know the mind of God, that God has given mankind free will, etc. I would say the best one is that "stuff just happens".

    The Jews seem to go thru population bottlenecks but they always seem to make it to the other side and are never completely extinguished. Unlike your average Moabite or Phoenician, etc.
    , @Broski
    That was Murray's ultimate statement, not mine. I merely suspect that the statement helped convince Commentary to publish.

    That said, a prominent theme in the Old Testament is that God blesses the Jews, 400 or so years pass and the Jews forget and start misbehaving, the Jews get severely punished by God, and then some charismatic leader convinces the Jews to behave again thereby yielding another blessing from God. And so the cycle continues.

    The Egyptian enslavement and the Babylonian exile were two such episodes.

    The Holocaust (the killing of a third of global Jewry) would be in line with the Biblical punishments, to those inclined to such beliefs.
    , @AM

    Honestly, if there is someone in charge, you wouldn’t expect God to allow his chosen people to be murdered by their millions in gas chambers, ovens and slave camps.
     
    Jews have existed for thousands of years as a distinct ethnicity and faith. I can't meet a Hittite or go to a country where ancient Egyptian is spoken. (Okay, Coptic, but not the same.)

    Jews are God's chosen people because I'm talking to you. I can't trace my heritage back thousands of years. The old covenant appears to still exist, along with the new covenant (Christianity) simultaneously. From my point of view, why Jews were chosen as already come to pass. But as Broski points out, under the old covenant, Jews had a bad habit of not holding up their end of the bargain and God would bring out the paddle board and get them back in line.

  76. Moshe says:
    @Dmitry134564
    Non-Orthodox Jews drink plenty of alcohol, especially in Northern Europe. And in Israel, too, you will find plenty of alcoholics (including passed out on the street with a bottle of vodka).

    Those are Russians, very few of them had eight great-grandparents who considered themselves Jewish.

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    Not really, silly stereotypes aside. My friends when I lived in Israel who drank the most alcohol was a Moroccan Jewish and British Jewish guy (they call it 'binging' in the UK). But yes vodka is more popular among from people from the FSU. British drink anything though. The native Israelis - it's more popular drinking wine.
    , @Dmitry134564
    How drinking and drunkeness is out of control among native Israeli teenagers in eilat


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi0x6ZJ-02s
  77. gcochran says:
    @Broski
    Charles Murray has a great 2007 article about Jewish intelligence in Commentary.

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/jewish-genius/

    This was, of course, before Pod the Lesser became editor. I suspect the three final sentences greatly facilitated the article's publication: "Why should one particular tribe at the time of Moses, living in the same environment as other nomadic and agricultural peoples of the Middle East, have already evolved elevated intelligence when the others did not? At this point, I take sanctuary in my remaining hypothesis, uniquely parsimonious and happily irrefutable. The Jews are God’s chosen people."

    Murray’s article was dead wrong. Selection had to be recent, since Ashkenazi Jews are mostly (60%) European.

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    • Replies: @Broski
    I agree. I doubt Murray wanted to argue the more plausible explanation, which is that finance and merchant activity in Europe during the last millennium caused Ashkenazi (but not Sephardi, Mizrahi etc.) intelligence. It's not exactly PC, and has implications that are . . . troubling.
  78. Flip says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    Boozy Brits go belly up sooner than drinkwater Jews. Angles, Saxons, Jutlanders, Normans, Celts, Scandinavians and other native-born Brits imbibe more booze than do interloper Jews who stole their way into Britain through various shady ways.

    I would suggest that all politicians be encouraged quite strongly to debate while bombed on booze. I would love to have a debate on immigration with Jews such as US Senators Charles Schumer, Bernie Sanders and Dick Durbin or any other Jew politicians after all debate participants have drank 12 bottles of delicious Sierra Nevada ale. I would rhetorically crush these Jew politicians. They would start screaming and swearing and I would keep hammering the hell out of them with joy in my heart.

    Jews can't handle their booze. Jews naturally fear that they will start revealing their inner natures and true opinions after heavily imbibing booze. That is why Jews do not booze as much as European Christians.

    Attention Vodka Jews who love to get bombed on vodka and debate the finer points of the Torah: I ain't talking about you. God bless you, open the bottle, open the Torah and press your points! The Vodka Jews would broadcast their opinions to the whole world and not think twice about it.

    Durbin is Catholic.

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  79. Yak-15 says:
    @Broski
    "Chinese, Koreans and Japanese have extreme booze cultures in business. Being able to drink HARD is even a prerequisite for some jobs."

    Those are the same ones many of whom exhibit the "Asian glow." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction

    I feel like drinking through that genetic issue makes them much more FRAT.

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  80. @oddsbodkins
    I care about a)

    People who graduate from places like Princeton run this country. The more they care about identity politics, and incorporate that into their personalities, the faster this country splits into unspeaking tribes.

    …the faster this country splits into unspeaking tribes.

    You write that as if it were a bad thing….

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  81. benjaminl says:
    @Old Palo Altan
    Tut-tut Jack - you really must convince your son to find a better class of roommate.
    Old time Wasps don't drink like that - are you sure they're not Irish?

    Tad Friend, in his family history, describes a great deal of drinking:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=SU2M1IV3-Y8C&pg=PT92&lpg=PT92#v=onepage&q&f=false

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    It's about discriminating taste as opposed to guzzling everything in sight.
    It's how, when, and what, rather than how much.
  82. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Mark Caplan
    Definition of an Irish homosexual: one who prefers women over the bottle.

    Definition of an Irish homosexual: one who prefers women over the bottle.

    IRISHMAN: Somebody who will trample over 12 naked women to reach a bottle of Guinness.

    ——–

    He’s divorcing his wife because she has a sobering effect on him – she hides the bottle.

    ——–

    Alcohol is a substance that makes married men see double and feel single.

    ——–

    [Jokes from Hal Roach, Irish comedian]

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  83. Anonym says:

    I’m reminded that if it weren’t for Steve’s research ability, our National Merit Scholar host would have passed from pancreatic cancer. A toast to you, Steve.

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  84. @Moshe
    Wouldn't one expect God's chosen people to not have gone through a holocaust within the past Century?

    The claim that the Jews were once God's chosen people and that with the Advent of Christ and the Christian era they became God's most accursed people seems more reasonable then to believe that Jews were and are God's chosen people. I am not confident about either hypothesis but I would be curious to hear a point of view that one seriously posits to the effect that the Jews were, are and will be God's chosen people. Honestly, if there is someone in charge, you wouldn't expect God to allow his chosen people to be murdered by their millions in gas chambers, ovens and slave camps.

    Jeezz

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  85. @Moshe
    Those are Russians, very few of them had eight great-grandparents who considered themselves Jewish.

    Not really, silly stereotypes aside. My friends when I lived in Israel who drank the most alcohol was a Moroccan Jewish and British Jewish guy (they call it ‘binging’ in the UK). But yes vodka is more popular among from people from the FSU. British drink anything though. The native Israelis – it’s more popular drinking wine.

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  86. @Anon 2
    Counterexample: Richard Feynman (Jewish physicist) died at
    only 69.

    One reason may be - different attitudes toward death. It is said that
    Judaism makes it easier to live but Christianity makes it easier to
    die. Once I was sitting next to an elderly Jewish couple on a transcontinental
    flight. Every time the plane lurched (which didn't bother me since Clear
    Air Turbulence is perfectly normal) the couple would reach for their
    prayer book. That's when I began to suspect that Jews perhaps are
    more afraid of death than Christians. Christians typically believe in
    an afterlife and 25% in fact believe in reincarnation so death is not such
    a big deal - it's like passing through a door from one room to another,
    as my grandma used to say. As a result it becomes easier to take great
    risks in life. Drinking yourself to death as Jack Kerouac did
    or blowing your brains out as was the case for Hemingway are
    perfectly honorable options.

    But the simplest way to avoid early death is to avoid dangerous occupations.
    Stay away from working with high voltage equipment, or mining, or
    construction or police and fire or first responder work, and you'll
    minimize your chances of accidents. Women and Jews are underrepresented
    in these lines of work so that's partly why they live longer.

    Did Feynman drink a lot? He certainly had impressive stripper game, did he learn that in the right kind of bar? Some sites say he visited strip clubs almost daily, working on physics equations while sat at the bar.

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    Feynman spent the last 9 years of his life
    coping with cancer. By contrast, John Wheeler,
    his (non-Jewish) Ph.D. adviser at Princeton,
    lived to the age of 96.

    I don't have any info about Feynman's drinking
    but yes he would sometimes take his grad students
    to the topless bars near Caltech, something that
    feminists never forgave him. This sort of thing
    would be unthinkable today
  87. @oddsbodkins
    I care about a)

    People who graduate from places like Princeton run this country. The more they care about identity politics, and incorporate that into their personalities, the faster this country splits into unspeaking tribes.

    People who graduate from places like Princeton run this country. The more they care about identity politics, and incorporate that into their personalities, the faster this country splits into unspeaking tribes.

    They want the white students to have the experience of getting harangued by these AA admits, and to get used to that as a normal part of life under the sanction of the Princeton administrative authorities.

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  88. Jack D says:
    @Old Palo Altan
    Tut-tut Jack - you really must convince your son to find a better class of roommate.
    Old time Wasps don't drink like that - are you sure they're not Irish?

    I just finished reading Gore Vidal’s autobiography – he grew up in Wash, DC upper class WASPY circles and describes a LOT of drinking in his family. He himself died of Wernicke–Korsakoff syndrome, a brain disorder caused by alcoholism. Then again, he also seemed to think that EVERYONE was interested in having same-sex relations as he was, so maybe when he was describing drinking habits he was describing himself.

    As another data point, I have a brother-in-law of old line Dutch-American stock. He’s a professor, his brother was State Dept, etc. – definitely bona fide upper class WASP background. And the man also drinks more than any Jew that I know (and so does his brother). As others mention, most Jews (if they drink at all) stop after a couple.

    His roommates are not WASP, just sort of generic American middle class. W, by the way, is supposed to mean wealthy (sometimes ex-wealthy) and not just white. At one time white Anglo-Saxon Protestant described maybe 90% of all Americans so it was not much of a description (and Anglo-Saxons are always white and usually Protestant so you could have just said Anglo-Saxon). Nice guys except for that alcohol thing. For one of them, it is beginning to affect his health already and he’s a young guy. Sad.

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    Interesting reply, as always.
    Gore mentions a relation of mine when he writes about his teachers at St Albans - Herve Gordon "Papa" Chasseaud, a gentle eccentric school master of a type now sadly extinct.

    But my point (to get back to the point) was about how and what one drinks, rather than quantity.
    A Wasp will perhaps drink much, but he will not drink without discrimination.
    , @guest
    I always wondered about the "white" in WASP, because what Anglo-Saxons aren't white? It's redundant.

    But then there was that recent flap with historian Mary Beard and the BBC cartoon depicting a Wesley Snipes-black soldier as a "typical" Roman in classical Britain. If he can be typical, I suppose there could be black Angles and Saxons, too. Why not?
  89. @Moshe
    Those are Russians, very few of them had eight great-grandparents who considered themselves Jewish.

    How drinking and drunkeness is out of control among native Israeli teenagers in eilat

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  90. I had a lot of Jewish friends in student days, still see some of them. Never thought about it before, but while they all drank and liked a good time, in all those party years and up to the present I can’t remember any of them ever getting s***faced, falling-over drunk, nor vomiting drunk.

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  91. Jack D says:
    @Expletive Deleted
    Sunshine + cholesterol > Vitamin D.
    No sunshine > lipids silt up your heart or something.
    Mediterranean diet. Have you any idea what a fresh lettuce costs in Shetland? And their traditional fishing/lobster/scallop grounds are being strip-mined by Spaniards and other southern EU types, just about the only place a Brit gets to eat fresh cigalas is on vacation on the Costas. Herring has all but vanished.

    If a fresh lettuce somehow made its way to Shetland they would batter dip it and deep fry it the way they do everything else.

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  92. @benjaminl
    Tad Friend, in his family history, describes a great deal of drinking:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=SU2M1IV3-Y8C&pg=PT92&lpg=PT92#v=onepage&q&f=false

    It’s about discriminating taste as opposed to guzzling everything in sight.
    It’s how, when, and what, rather than how much.

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    It’s about discriminating taste as opposed to guzzling everything in sight.
    It’s how, when, and what, rather than how much.
     
    Or, it's about going on an adventure within the confines or one's own skull.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mMRMDogu2c
  93. @Jack D
    If a fresh lettuce somehow made its way to Shetland they would batter dip it and deep fry it the way they do everything else.

    As they do Mars bars in Glasgow.

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  94. Lot says:
    @jimmyriddle
    Is this true if you correct for the climate?

    Also, diet and alcohol consumption patterns are rather different.

    Very hard to control for something like that. Maybe look at small German towns in South America versus similar Spanish/Italian ones close by?

    My guess is it is a combo of genes, culture, mild climate, and diet.

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  95. @Jack D
    I just finished reading Gore Vidal's autobiography - he grew up in Wash, DC upper class WASPY circles and describes a LOT of drinking in his family. He himself died of Wernicke–Korsakoff syndrome, a brain disorder caused by alcoholism. Then again, he also seemed to think that EVERYONE was interested in having same-sex relations as he was, so maybe when he was describing drinking habits he was describing himself.

    As another data point, I have a brother-in-law of old line Dutch-American stock. He's a professor, his brother was State Dept, etc. - definitely bona fide upper class WASP background. And the man also drinks more than any Jew that I know (and so does his brother). As others mention, most Jews (if they drink at all) stop after a couple.

    His roommates are not WASP, just sort of generic American middle class. W, by the way, is supposed to mean wealthy (sometimes ex-wealthy) and not just white. At one time white Anglo-Saxon Protestant described maybe 90% of all Americans so it was not much of a description (and Anglo-Saxons are always white and usually Protestant so you could have just said Anglo-Saxon). Nice guys except for that alcohol thing. For one of them, it is beginning to affect his health already and he's a young guy. Sad.

    Interesting reply, as always.
    Gore mentions a relation of mine when he writes about his teachers at St Albans – Herve Gordon “Papa” Chasseaud, a gentle eccentric school master of a type now sadly extinct.

    But my point (to get back to the point) was about how and what one drinks, rather than quantity.
    A Wasp will perhaps drink much, but he will not drink without discrimination.

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    I'll have to look him up in the book. I hope he's not one of the many teachers he mentions as being "fond" of the boys (this part I believe based on some of the stuff that has come out in recent years).
  96. Jack D says:
    @Moshe
    Wouldn't one expect God's chosen people to not have gone through a holocaust within the past Century?

    The claim that the Jews were once God's chosen people and that with the Advent of Christ and the Christian era they became God's most accursed people seems more reasonable then to believe that Jews were and are God's chosen people. I am not confident about either hypothesis but I would be curious to hear a point of view that one seriously posits to the effect that the Jews were, are and will be God's chosen people. Honestly, if there is someone in charge, you wouldn't expect God to allow his chosen people to be murdered by their millions in gas chambers, ovens and slave camps.

    Sholem Aleichem’s Tevye said that if the Jews are God’s chosen people, he wishes that He would choose them a little less often.

    There is no good answer for why bad things happen to good people but lots of lousy answers. Among these are that God’s ways are not like our ways so we cannot know the mind of God, that God has given mankind free will, etc. I would say the best one is that “stuff just happens”.

    The Jews seem to go thru population bottlenecks but they always seem to make it to the other side and are never completely extinguished. Unlike your average Moabite or Phoenician, etc.

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    • Replies: @Lot
    Christian Lebanese increasingly identify as Phoenician rather than Arab.
    , @AM

    There is no good answer for why bad things happen to good people but lots of lousy answers. Among these are that God’s ways are not like our ways so we cannot know the mind of God, that God has given mankind free will, etc. I would say the best one is that “stuff just happens”.
     
    It turns out part of the answer is that people are not nearly as good as they imagine themselves. When society (any, not just Jews) loses their sense of virtue, the tend to take liberties that create effects down the line that they never imagined. The effects of immorality are not immediate, in other words - sometimes they take decades or generations to manifest. Multiply that by the scale of a society and quite often the collapse that seems like arbitrary punishment from God has been brought on themselves through the pressure of collective consequences.

    It's not a shocker that Egyptians enslaved Joseph's family. Even from Day 1 they seemed to assume that Egypt was there to serve them. Certainly Joseph himself had no problems using Egyptian resources to deal with what was a private family matter. I have no idea of the policies at the time, but chances are if Egyptians were running low on food, Joseph should have turned his family down flat (ie, the result if they had been strangers.) Assuming that seed of behavior snowballed, at some point, an Egyptian was going to be like "Hey, WTF?" and fix the problem, one way or other.

  97. Jack D says:
    @Old Palo Altan
    Interesting reply, as always.
    Gore mentions a relation of mine when he writes about his teachers at St Albans - Herve Gordon "Papa" Chasseaud, a gentle eccentric school master of a type now sadly extinct.

    But my point (to get back to the point) was about how and what one drinks, rather than quantity.
    A Wasp will perhaps drink much, but he will not drink without discrimination.

    I’ll have to look him up in the book. I hope he’s not one of the many teachers he mentions as being “fond” of the boys (this part I believe based on some of the stuff that has come out in recent years).

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  98. Broski says:
    @Moshe
    Wouldn't one expect God's chosen people to not have gone through a holocaust within the past Century?

    The claim that the Jews were once God's chosen people and that with the Advent of Christ and the Christian era they became God's most accursed people seems more reasonable then to believe that Jews were and are God's chosen people. I am not confident about either hypothesis but I would be curious to hear a point of view that one seriously posits to the effect that the Jews were, are and will be God's chosen people. Honestly, if there is someone in charge, you wouldn't expect God to allow his chosen people to be murdered by their millions in gas chambers, ovens and slave camps.

    That was Murray’s ultimate statement, not mine. I merely suspect that the statement helped convince Commentary to publish.

    That said, a prominent theme in the Old Testament is that God blesses the Jews, 400 or so years pass and the Jews forget and start misbehaving, the Jews get severely punished by God, and then some charismatic leader convinces the Jews to behave again thereby yielding another blessing from God. And so the cycle continues.

    The Egyptian enslavement and the Babylonian exile were two such episodes.

    The Holocaust (the killing of a third of global Jewry) would be in line with the Biblical punishments, to those inclined to such beliefs.

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  99. Broski says:
    @gcochran
    Murray's article was dead wrong. Selection had to be recent, since Ashkenazi Jews are mostly (60%) European.

    I agree. I doubt Murray wanted to argue the more plausible explanation, which is that finance and merchant activity in Europe during the last millennium caused Ashkenazi (but not Sephardi, Mizrahi etc.) intelligence. It’s not exactly PC, and has implications that are . . . troubling.

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  100. Lot says:
    @oddsbodkins
    If Jews lived five years less than non-Jews, you would expect the reasons behind that to be a topic of much discussion on a website largely read by Jews, wouldn't you?

    A major topic on Jewish websites is the OQ: The Okinawan Question.

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  101. Lot says:
    @Jack D
    Sholem Aleichem's Tevye said that if the Jews are God's chosen people, he wishes that He would choose them a little less often.

    There is no good answer for why bad things happen to good people but lots of lousy answers. Among these are that God's ways are not like our ways so we cannot know the mind of God, that God has given mankind free will, etc. I would say the best one is that "stuff just happens".

    The Jews seem to go thru population bottlenecks but they always seem to make it to the other side and are never completely extinguished. Unlike your average Moabite or Phoenician, etc.

    Christian Lebanese increasingly identify as Phoenician rather than Arab.

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  102. guest says:
    @Jack D
    I just finished reading Gore Vidal's autobiography - he grew up in Wash, DC upper class WASPY circles and describes a LOT of drinking in his family. He himself died of Wernicke–Korsakoff syndrome, a brain disorder caused by alcoholism. Then again, he also seemed to think that EVERYONE was interested in having same-sex relations as he was, so maybe when he was describing drinking habits he was describing himself.

    As another data point, I have a brother-in-law of old line Dutch-American stock. He's a professor, his brother was State Dept, etc. - definitely bona fide upper class WASP background. And the man also drinks more than any Jew that I know (and so does his brother). As others mention, most Jews (if they drink at all) stop after a couple.

    His roommates are not WASP, just sort of generic American middle class. W, by the way, is supposed to mean wealthy (sometimes ex-wealthy) and not just white. At one time white Anglo-Saxon Protestant described maybe 90% of all Americans so it was not much of a description (and Anglo-Saxons are always white and usually Protestant so you could have just said Anglo-Saxon). Nice guys except for that alcohol thing. For one of them, it is beginning to affect his health already and he's a young guy. Sad.

    I always wondered about the “white” in WASP, because what Anglo-Saxons aren’t white? It’s redundant.

    But then there was that recent flap with historian Mary Beard and the BBC cartoon depicting a Wesley Snipes-black soldier as a “typical” Roman in classical Britain. If he can be typical, I suppose there could be black Angles and Saxons, too. Why not?

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  103. FKA Max says:
    @Cagey Beast
    Off the top of my head I'd guess that British Jews do a better job of moderating their drinking when compared to the aboriginal British. Of course, that's not a very difficult hurdle to clear.

    Mormon men live 10 years longer than other U.S. white males.Mormon women live more than five years longer than other U.S. white females.Those are the among the results of a 25-year study into the health habits and the longevity of the Mormon lifestyle by non-Mormon UCLA professors James E. Enstrom and Lester Breslow, who summarized their research with the conclusion: “Several healthy characteristics of the Mormon lifestyle are associated with substantially reduced death rates and increased life expectancy.”The study, conducted from 1980 to 2004, included information from questionnaire responses by more than 9,800 faithful Mormon couples and concluded that practicing Mormons in California had the lowest total death rates and the longest life expectancies ever documented in a well-defined U.S. cohort. The authors concluded the findings suggest a model for substantial disease prevention in the general population.Mormons live by a health code called the “Word of Wisdom.” They abstain from alcohol, tobacco, tea and coffee because the body is the temple of the spirit (I Cor. 3:16-17).The study revealed Mormon males had a life expectancy of 84.1 years — 9.8 years longer than that of U.S. white males. Mormon females had a life expectancy of 86.1 years — 5.6 years longer than U.S. white females.

    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705377709/UCLA-study-proves-Mormons-live-longer.html

    Dr. Benjamin D. Horne explained it this way: “Fasting causes hunger or stress. In response, the body releases more cholesterol, allowing it to utilize fat as a source of fuel, instead of glucose. This decreases the number of fat cells in the body. This is important because the fewer fat cells a body has, the less likely it will experience insulin resistance, or diabetes.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/post/mormonism-good-for-the-body-as-well-as-the-soul/2012/06/20/gJQARk3IqV_blog.html?utm_term=.c01fd9b5339b

    If religious teaching has no effect on fertility rates, and all discussion on this topic can be just reduced to mat[t]ers of biology and explained by human biodiversity, how do you explain large Mormon families, when Mormonism is one of the ”whitest” religions in the U.S. ( the flock being 85% non-Hispanic White, and being predominately of British ancestry http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/07/27/the-most-and-least-racially-diverse-u-s-religious-groups/ )?

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/hemispheric-open-borders-trial-run-puerto-rico/#comment-1623364

    On centenarians:

    Interestingly, Barbados shares a unique distinction with Japan: both countries have the highest per capita occurrences of centenarians on earth.
    [...]
    “A good start might be Bajan water,” suggested the Post in an article headlined: Many Rivers To Cross, Why So Many Barbadians Live For More Than 100 years?

    The paper stated, “the only volcanic island in the Caribbean, Barbados’ coral limestone filters water to a healthy state of ‘hard’ calcium rich drinking water similar to that of Okinawa.”

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/why-is-barbados-so-civilized/#comment-1956532

    I also highly recommend this recent research:

    Mr. Thompson,

    Would you like to check out my worldwide IQ estimates based on official UNO education data?

    https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2017/09/05/worldwide-iq-estimates-based-on-education-data/

    http://www.unz.com/jthompson/intelligent-lifespans/#comment-1995375

    Differences larger than 5 points were found for 30 countries, and in these cases, I suspect it is due to Lynn manipulating the data to fit racial patterns, Sub-Saharan African countries have been systematically under-estimated and East-Asian ones have been systematically over-estimated by Lynn, also, Some nations in Europe, the Middle-East, South-Asia and Latin America seem to have their scores manipulated in order to appear closer to what they would be based on their racial composition.

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  104. Well, a significant percentage of this particular bunch of centenarians demonstrated better decision making powers when they fled Continental Europe for Great Britain.

    If you’re a century old, you were an adult during the age of the Austrian corporal…

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    Wrong.

    The special treatment to which the Austrian corporal submitted European Jews was much beneficial.
  105. BB753 says:
    @Anon 2
    Counterexample: Richard Feynman (Jewish physicist) died at
    only 69.

    One reason may be - different attitudes toward death. It is said that
    Judaism makes it easier to live but Christianity makes it easier to
    die. Once I was sitting next to an elderly Jewish couple on a transcontinental
    flight. Every time the plane lurched (which didn't bother me since Clear
    Air Turbulence is perfectly normal) the couple would reach for their
    prayer book. That's when I began to suspect that Jews perhaps are
    more afraid of death than Christians. Christians typically believe in
    an afterlife and 25% in fact believe in reincarnation so death is not such
    a big deal - it's like passing through a door from one room to another,
    as my grandma used to say. As a result it becomes easier to take great
    risks in life. Drinking yourself to death as Jack Kerouac did
    or blowing your brains out as was the case for Hemingway are
    perfectly honorable options.

    But the simplest way to avoid early death is to avoid dangerous occupations.
    Stay away from working with high voltage equipment, or mining, or
    construction or police and fire or first responder work, and you'll
    minimize your chances of accidents. Women and Jews are underrepresented
    in these lines of work so that's partly why they live longer.

    I’ve never heard of any kind of Christian denomination holding a belief in reincarnation, or considering suicide anything other than a capital sin.

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    I’ve never heard of any kind of Christian denomination holding a belief in reincarnation, or considering suicide anything other than a capital sin.
     
    We do - it's just we come back as ourselves at the end of time, in perfect form, presumably at our ideal weight and a sharp outfit.

    If there was reincarnation, I'd probably come back as myself and that sounds terrible for me and society in general.

    And yeah, someone who didn't repent of their suicide as they were dying wouldn't make to Heaven. Stupid risks okay (kinda) - suicidal, no so much.
    , @Anon 2
    True, belief in reincarnation is certainly not
    part of any official Christian creed. Nevertheless,
    these days in the U.S. under the influence of Eastern
    Religions and New Age fads many people believe
    what they want to believe, and reincarnation happens
    to be very popular right now, along with Yoga, etc
  106. AM says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    Kosher diet, less smoking and alcohol consumption, more affluent on average.

    Leading causes of death in the UK are cancer, heart disease, dementia. Probably average Jew in the UK has a more healthy lifestyle than the average member of the general population, and is more likely to have private health care insurance than the average person.

    One misconception about Britain is that private health care and insurance is illegal or outlawed. It is not, and plenty of people have it. About 9% by some estimates.

    One misconception about Britain is that private health care and insurance is illegal or outlawed. It is not, and plenty of people have it. About 9% by some estimates.

    That’s because the Canadians have that system. But wink, wink, nudge, nudge the vast majority of the population lives within 100 miles of the border and if you’re wealthy enough you can line jump. Without the US’s health care system, the Canadians would have to deal with the creeping nightmare of their system ages ago.

    For a place that is so cold and snowy, Canada is strangely bubblish place.

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  107. @Old Palo Altan
    It's about discriminating taste as opposed to guzzling everything in sight.
    It's how, when, and what, rather than how much.

    It’s about discriminating taste as opposed to guzzling everything in sight.
    It’s how, when, and what, rather than how much.

    Or, it’s about going on an adventure within the confines or one’s own skull.

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  108. 22pp22 says:

    The difference in life expectancy between poor urban and rich rural areas is around five years. If you know Britain well, you will see a very obvious pattern.

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/jun/08/life-expectancy-uk-data-health

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  109. AM says:
    @Jack D
    Spain and Italy benefit from the famous Mediterranean diet as well as a less sedentary lifestyle.

    Life expectancy has more to do with diet and lifestyle than with the health care system. Mexico's life expectancy is within spitting distance of the US despite the fact that they spend maybe 5 cents per capita on health care. Their entire health care budget wouldn't be a rounding error in the US and it has surprisingly little effect on their life expectancy. There are strong diminishing returns on health care spending just like almost everything else - you get 80%+ of your bang for the buck on the first 20% of spending. Once you get past vaccinations and antibiotics, the other stuff provides marginal benefits, especially in relation to the cost.

    Spain and Italy benefit from the famous Mediterranean diet as well as a less sedentary lifestyle.

    My guess it might be mostly the walking and possibly all the good weather. Since it’s a totally unPC blog, middle age to older Italian women are generally overweight and that has to do with “Mediterranean” diet. It’s too carb heavy generally speaking.

    There appears to be a range of carbohydrate intake that’s healthy and once you go over, it stress out the circulatory system. It’s why serial marathoner runners tend to have crappy tickers in their old age. They do heart damage between the too much carbs and too much running.

    Once you get past vaccinations and antibiotics, the other stuff provides marginal benefits, especially in relation to the cost.

    Yep. Throw in blood transfusions and basically you’ve got almost all the technology that saves the average person. The vaccinations particularly help with infant mortality.

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  110. AM says:
    @BB753
    I've never heard of any kind of Christian denomination holding a belief in reincarnation, or considering suicide anything other than a capital sin.

    I’ve never heard of any kind of Christian denomination holding a belief in reincarnation, or considering suicide anything other than a capital sin.

    We do – it’s just we come back as ourselves at the end of time, in perfect form, presumably at our ideal weight and a sharp outfit.

    If there was reincarnation, I’d probably come back as myself and that sounds terrible for me and society in general.

    And yeah, someone who didn’t repent of their suicide as they were dying wouldn’t make to Heaven. Stupid risks okay (kinda) – suicidal, no so much.

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  111. AM says:
    @Jack D
    Sholem Aleichem's Tevye said that if the Jews are God's chosen people, he wishes that He would choose them a little less often.

    There is no good answer for why bad things happen to good people but lots of lousy answers. Among these are that God's ways are not like our ways so we cannot know the mind of God, that God has given mankind free will, etc. I would say the best one is that "stuff just happens".

    The Jews seem to go thru population bottlenecks but they always seem to make it to the other side and are never completely extinguished. Unlike your average Moabite or Phoenician, etc.

    There is no good answer for why bad things happen to good people but lots of lousy answers. Among these are that God’s ways are not like our ways so we cannot know the mind of God, that God has given mankind free will, etc. I would say the best one is that “stuff just happens”.

    It turns out part of the answer is that people are not nearly as good as they imagine themselves. When society (any, not just Jews) loses their sense of virtue, the tend to take liberties that create effects down the line that they never imagined. The effects of immorality are not immediate, in other words – sometimes they take decades or generations to manifest. Multiply that by the scale of a society and quite often the collapse that seems like arbitrary punishment from God has been brought on themselves through the pressure of collective consequences.

    It’s not a shocker that Egyptians enslaved Joseph’s family. Even from Day 1 they seemed to assume that Egypt was there to serve them. Certainly Joseph himself had no problems using Egyptian resources to deal with what was a private family matter. I have no idea of the policies at the time, but chances are if Egyptians were running low on food, Joseph should have turned his family down flat (ie, the result if they had been strangers.) Assuming that seed of behavior snowballed, at some point, an Egyptian was going to be like “Hey, WTF?” and fix the problem, one way or other.

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    " Joseph should have turned his family down flat (ie, the result if they had been strangers.)"

    We are not remembering our bible well . The Egyptians were selling food to all comers at the time
  112. AM says:
    @Moshe
    Wouldn't one expect God's chosen people to not have gone through a holocaust within the past Century?

    The claim that the Jews were once God's chosen people and that with the Advent of Christ and the Christian era they became God's most accursed people seems more reasonable then to believe that Jews were and are God's chosen people. I am not confident about either hypothesis but I would be curious to hear a point of view that one seriously posits to the effect that the Jews were, are and will be God's chosen people. Honestly, if there is someone in charge, you wouldn't expect God to allow his chosen people to be murdered by their millions in gas chambers, ovens and slave camps.

    Honestly, if there is someone in charge, you wouldn’t expect God to allow his chosen people to be murdered by their millions in gas chambers, ovens and slave camps.

    Jews have existed for thousands of years as a distinct ethnicity and faith. I can’t meet a Hittite or go to a country where ancient Egyptian is spoken. (Okay, Coptic, but not the same.)

    Jews are God’s chosen people because I’m talking to you. I can’t trace my heritage back thousands of years. The old covenant appears to still exist, along with the new covenant (Christianity) simultaneously. From my point of view, why Jews were chosen as already come to pass. But as Broski points out, under the old covenant, Jews had a bad habit of not holding up their end of the bargain and God would bring out the paddle board and get them back in line.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I can’t trace my heritage back thousands of years.

    Neither can people who believe they are jewish.
  113. Mark Caplan says: • Website
    @AnotherDad

    The Forward article says differentials in alcohol consumption do not account for Jews’ greater longevity, at least in America, but the passage isn’t entirely clear:

    Jews who make it past 95 have dietary habits and levels of alcohol consumption and physical activity similar to their shorter-lived counterparts
     

     
    I don't think this has much to do with the Jew/Gentile question--how much genes? how much lifestyle? The point here is the really long lived Jews don't look lifestyle wise any different from other Jews.

    This is just more data for the--i hope--pretty well understood point that lifestyle only buys you so much. Basically lifestyle (and some luck) can keep you from pre-maturely killing yourself. But the folks who live really long lives are genetically privileged.

    To be clear i think this is the limit case. If you look at people who die at 60, i think you'll find that they do differ--on average--in lifestyle from the folks who live longer. Dying early usually stems from either being dealth a bad hand of genes, pretty bad lifestyle, bad luck ... or a combination. As you go up to 70 deaths will look more like the general population, but still skew slightly "worse lifestyle". Into the 80s ... you won't see any difference. Into the 90s pluses on most factors. Into the high 90s or centerians, the overwhelming factor is that they have superior genes.

    Thanks. I had misunderstood the paragraph on drinking. You got it right.

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  114. The alcohol argument makes sense. Someone I know who had attended Alcoholics Anonymous for many years said he never seen a Jewish member. I hardly need to add how destructive alcohol is.

    Note also this though: Ashkenazi Jewish women are much more likely to carrying a mutation that cause breast and ovarian cancer.

    They’re called BRCA1 and BRCA2.

    So lifetime is still longer despite this. That means that whatever is causing longer lifespan is even stronger than you might think.

    Now that the mutations (which do occur in non-Jews but at a much lower rate) can be tested for, some women are choosing prophylactic mastectomies and removal of the ovaries.

    Ashkenazis are also affected by a group of mutations that result in death in childhood. The most famous is Tay-Sachs. They’re recessive and require both parents to carry to the mutation.

    However, almost all Jews know about this now and the number of affected children born has plummeted.

    Even ultra-Orthodox are testing. Arranged marriages include checking if the possible match would result in both parents carrying the same mutation and if so, the match is nixed.

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  115. Old Jew says:

    Good genes help.
    from Wikipedia on Centenarians:

    …..Research also suggests that there is a clear link between living to 100 and inheriting a hyperactive version of telomerase, an enzyme that prevents cells from ageing. Scientists from the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in the US say centenarian Ashkenazi Jews have this mutant gene…..

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  116. @mad anthony
    Steve, you should advise Ron not to publish the Daily Stomer rubbish currently on the site's homepage. While they are a "silenced voice" like yours or others given a platform by him here, I don't think it's worthwhile to hear and does you and the others who publish here a great disservice by associating you with them. (Also puts site at risk of attack or denial of service (though maybe Mr. Unz has greater financial control over his site than they did theirs))

    But isn’t he Jewish himself? How bizarre.

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  117. @AnotherDad

    Unlike some Asians (and Amerindians) who don’t metabolize alcohol well and turn funny colors, Jews CAN drink, but most don’t seem to enjoy drinking themselves into a total stupor in the Northern European style. Jews will stop after a drink or two and leave it at that, but certain Brits and other Northern Europeans have “hollow leg” syndrome where they just want to keep going and going to the blackout stage.
     
    Yeah this. There does seem to be something wrong with my people in the alcohol department. And I don't just mean "the Irish".

    I'm all for, "hey we're done here, let's go have a beer and relax." But this "let's get hammered!" thing is very weird and simply put, "stupid". The Jews on average definitely have a better culture and genetically seem to have fewer loons prone to having severe problems.

    And my take--long gone from that age--it seems like the drinking culture has gotten noticeably *worse* among young Anglo-Saxons as religion has declined and their nations are ripped open and dosed with "diversity". Or in other words as the globo-scum strip meaning from their lives.

    Hopefully, after the revolution ;-) when we've got our nations back, we'll line the globalists up against the wall, shoot 'em and then just go for a cheery celebratory beer.

    Just going by anecdote and people I’ve know, the Anglo-Saxons are practically teetotalers compared to the Celts: Irish and Scotch.

    I heard a story of an Irishman who, post WW II, went to Germany as a “guest worker.”

    He was amazed to see a beer vending machine at his place of work.

    He said a beer vending machine was unthinkable in Ireland, The whole shift would be drunk by the end of it.

    Scottish Presbyterians were so concerned that they still use grape juice instead of wine for communion.

    Three of my grandparents were Celtic and there was some family alcoholism. Thankfully it seems not have affected my generation or our children.

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  118. @Anonymouse
    When I was 18 I commenced drinking in Greenwich Village like you were supposed to do. I soon discovered I was 3 drink limited; more than that and I had to puke in the subway going home to Brooklyn - standing between the cars where you wouldn't be making a mess. It was apparently genetic on my father's side, none of whose family has ever had a problem with booze. OTOH, my mother's brother who moved to southern Cal in the 1920's was apparently something of a shikar. Owned 2 bars. OK! Fast-forward to today, and I'm 83. So how many more years am I good for?

    You could drink three? I become sick after two.

    Once you pass menopause it makes hot flashes so bad I only drink a token amount at Christmas.

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  119. @Broski
    Jews have been persisting as a diaspora for 2000 years. I doubt they're going anywhere.

    I didn’t say “they were going anywhere.” I said this is a miscegenated, meshuggah melange who is deteriorating rapidly. There will be some Jews, but they won’t look like the Ashkenazi Jews of the West. The Ashkenazis are disappearing and the Sephardis and black/Asian Jews are now the majority. I support Israel because we need to send the Jews in the West to Israel. Shortly, Jews will be very strange creatures.

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  120. My own belief stems from my experience that Jews are generally more emotionally expressive and talkative than whites. Sometimes and tending to often they schedule talks to work through these issues, which we might call psychotherapy. Little Jewish boys seek out their Mommas and they tend to indulge their children in a way that non-Jews just don’t.

    Northern Euros tend to use chemical stimulation to free their emotional capacity/freedom to feel the warmer emotions while suppressing their stresses and anxieties – most notably in the form of alcohol use and abuse.

    So Jews just might not have a psychological need for the altered experience of alcohol use – they work through their issues as a part of daily life with talking and emotional expression and touch and therefore the release doesn’t do much for them.

    As a Celt myself, and having lived among them in their natural habitat, I would say a distinguishing factor in the Celt’s use of alcohol is the ability to bounce right back to normal after a night of extreme indulgence with only some eggs and rashers and cold water. Other sorts seem to carry the poison on into the next day and well beyond, whereas you’ll likely see the stumbling Irishman or Scot up and working at 7:00 AM the next day with bright eyes and enthusiasm.

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  121. @Broski
    I agree. I doubt Murray wanted to argue the more plausible explanation, which is that finance and merchant activity in Europe during the last millennium caused Ashkenazi (but not Sephardi, Mizrahi etc.) intelligence. It's not exactly PC, and has implications that are . . . troubling.

    Sephardic seems were intelligent as ashkenazis.

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  122. And differences among sexes?? Northern European women tend to have more similar life expectancy to: Japanese, Jewish, whatever…than northern European men?

    Between sexes

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  123. Rifleman says:
    @Broski
    Charles Murray has a great 2007 article about Jewish intelligence in Commentary.

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/jewish-genius/

    This was, of course, before Pod the Lesser became editor. I suspect the three final sentences greatly facilitated the article's publication: "Why should one particular tribe at the time of Moses, living in the same environment as other nomadic and agricultural peoples of the Middle East, have already evolved elevated intelligence when the others did not? At this point, I take sanctuary in my remaining hypothesis, uniquely parsimonious and happily irrefutable. The Jews are God’s chosen people."

    At this point, I take sanctuary in my remaining hypothesis, uniquely parsimonious and happily irrefutable. The Jews are God’s chosen people.”

    This would be an example of Steve Sailer’s favorite misguided idea – Ockham’s razor.

    Murray went Full Shabbos Goy on that one.

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    This would be an example of Steve Sailer’s favorite misguided idea – Ockham’s razor.
     
    In what way is it misguided? Surely it's just a tool?
  124. Anon 2 says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    Did Feynman drink a lot? He certainly had impressive stripper game, did he learn that in the right kind of bar? Some sites say he visited strip clubs almost daily, working on physics equations while sat at the bar.

    Feynman spent the last 9 years of his life
    coping with cancer. By contrast, John Wheeler,
    his (non-Jewish) Ph.D. adviser at Princeton,
    lived to the age of 96.

    I don’t have any info about Feynman’s drinking
    but yes he would sometimes take his grad students
    to the topless bars near Caltech, something that
    feminists never forgave him. This sort of thing
    would be unthinkable today

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    Feynman says he quit drinking while on sabbatical in Rio in the 1950s. He was going out drinking with stewardesses every night and then one day he felt like he really wanted a drink in the middle of the day, so he immediately quit drinking.

    Or at least that's what he says. He was a great storyteller, and great storytellers don't always put in all the pedantic details.

    , @Dave Pinsen
    In the recent TV movie about Feynman and the Challenger investigation, there's a scene where his oncologist speculates that exposure to radiation during the Manhattan Project might have given him cancer.
  125. @Anon 2
    Feynman spent the last 9 years of his life
    coping with cancer. By contrast, John Wheeler,
    his (non-Jewish) Ph.D. adviser at Princeton,
    lived to the age of 96.

    I don't have any info about Feynman's drinking
    but yes he would sometimes take his grad students
    to the topless bars near Caltech, something that
    feminists never forgave him. This sort of thing
    would be unthinkable today

    Feynman says he quit drinking while on sabbatical in Rio in the 1950s. He was going out drinking with stewardesses every night and then one day he felt like he really wanted a drink in the middle of the day, so he immediately quit drinking.

    Or at least that’s what he says. He was a great storyteller, and great storytellers don’t always put in all the pedantic details.

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    • Replies: @Anon 2
    Gell-Mann, who was also a professor at
    Caltech, in fact said that Feynman, instead
    of doing physics, was spending entirely too much
    time inventing stories about himself, sometimes
    at Gell-Mann's expense
  126. Anon 2 says:
    @BB753
    I've never heard of any kind of Christian denomination holding a belief in reincarnation, or considering suicide anything other than a capital sin.

    True, belief in reincarnation is certainly not
    part of any official Christian creed. Nevertheless,
    these days in the U.S. under the influence of Eastern
    Religions and New Age fads many people believe
    what they want to believe, and reincarnation happens
    to be very popular right now, along with Yoga, etc

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  127. Anon 2 says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Feynman says he quit drinking while on sabbatical in Rio in the 1950s. He was going out drinking with stewardesses every night and then one day he felt like he really wanted a drink in the middle of the day, so he immediately quit drinking.

    Or at least that's what he says. He was a great storyteller, and great storytellers don't always put in all the pedantic details.

    Gell-Mann, who was also a professor at
    Caltech, in fact said that Feynman, instead
    of doing physics, was spending entirely too much
    time inventing stories about himself, sometimes
    at Gell-Mann’s expense

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  128. @Anon 2
    Gell-Mann, who was also a professor at
    Caltech, in fact said that Feynman, instead
    of doing physics, was spending entirely too much
    time inventing stories about himself, sometimes
    at Gell-Mann's expense

    But they were good stories.

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  129. Anon 2 says:

    In the United States it is the Seventh-Day Adventists who are
    the longest living Americans, followed closely by Mormons. Jews live
    a bit longer than average but they are laggards compared to
    those two groups.

    By the way, I wonder if the M-to-F transsexuals transition at least
    partly because they hope to benefit from women’s longevity

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  130. @mad anthony
    Steve, you should advise Ron not to publish the Daily Stomer rubbish currently on the site's homepage. While they are a "silenced voice" like yours or others given a platform by him here, I don't think it's worthwhile to hear and does you and the others who publish here a great disservice by associating you with them. (Also puts site at risk of attack or denial of service (though maybe Mr. Unz has greater financial control over his site than they did theirs))

    Do you mean “Daily Stormer”? I don’t see them on the site but i’m just using an iPad and it’s a bit awkward for searching. Can you point me to it?

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  131. slumber_j says:
    @benjaminl
    The Grant Study, longitudinally following a cohort of Harvard grads throughout their lives, is really fascinating, since the differences among them can't be explained by Privilege and Oppression.

    Longtime study head Vaillant seemed to think that alcoholism was a big deal, much worse than usually recognized:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/05/thanks-mom/309287/

    Alcoholism was the main cause of divorce between the Grant Study men and their wives; it was strongly correlated with neurosis and depression (which tended to follow alcohol abuse, rather than precede it); and—together with associated cigarette smoking—it was the single greatest contributor to their early morbidity and death.
     
    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/02/decoding-keys-to-a-healthy-life/

    Just last year, he said, he found that 57 percent of all divorces among Grant Study men involved alcoholism. That statistic had been artificially low until then because, though the men had spoken of their own alcohol problems, many hadn’t been forthcoming about those of their wives until later in life.
     

    Well I graduated from Harvard College, and by most measures I drink too much. Let’s see how that turns out.

    I’ll let you know.

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  132. @AM

    There is no good answer for why bad things happen to good people but lots of lousy answers. Among these are that God’s ways are not like our ways so we cannot know the mind of God, that God has given mankind free will, etc. I would say the best one is that “stuff just happens”.
     
    It turns out part of the answer is that people are not nearly as good as they imagine themselves. When society (any, not just Jews) loses their sense of virtue, the tend to take liberties that create effects down the line that they never imagined. The effects of immorality are not immediate, in other words - sometimes they take decades or generations to manifest. Multiply that by the scale of a society and quite often the collapse that seems like arbitrary punishment from God has been brought on themselves through the pressure of collective consequences.

    It's not a shocker that Egyptians enslaved Joseph's family. Even from Day 1 they seemed to assume that Egypt was there to serve them. Certainly Joseph himself had no problems using Egyptian resources to deal with what was a private family matter. I have no idea of the policies at the time, but chances are if Egyptians were running low on food, Joseph should have turned his family down flat (ie, the result if they had been strangers.) Assuming that seed of behavior snowballed, at some point, an Egyptian was going to be like "Hey, WTF?" and fix the problem, one way or other.

    ” Joseph should have turned his family down flat (ie, the result if they had been strangers.)”

    We are not remembering our bible well . The Egyptians were selling food to all comers at the time

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    • Replies: @AM

    We are not remembering our bible well . The Egyptians were selling food to all comers at the time
     
    True. The Paroah and Joseph couldn't just give away the food that belonged to the Egyptians, they literally sold it to the highest bidder, regardless the people who had actually grown the food in years past. (Except Joseph's family who got land and food for nothing.)

    Genesis 47:13 " There was no food, however, in the whole region because the famine was severe; both Egypt and Canaan wasted away because of the famine. Joseph collected all the money that was to be found in Egypt and Canaan in payment for the grain they were buying, and he brought it to Pharaoh’s palace. 15 When the money of the people of Egypt and Canaan was gone, all Egypt came to Joseph and said, “Give us food. Why should we die before your eyes? Our money is all gone.”"


    Genesis 47:20 "So Joseph bought all the land in Egypt for Pharaoh. The Egyptians, one and all, sold their fields, because the famine was too severe for them. The land became Pharaoh’s, 21 and Joseph reduced the people to servitude,[c] from one end of Egypt to the other."

    Basically regular Egyptians sold themselves into serfdom to get at the food that they had paid in as taxes for the last 7 years. Sure, the Canaanites did too, but they hadn't grown the food for the warehouses and if I had to guess, feeding them too wasn't part of the plan. This passage in Genesis is a horrifying description of the power of a state gone bad in an emergency situation.

    And look, there's Jew and his family in charge of it. It was gonna to happen, the "payback" for this particular scheme. sigh
    , @Anon
    Genesis 47

    The land of Egypt is before thee: make them dwell in the best place, and give them the land of Gessen. And if thou knowest that there are industrious men among them, make them rulers over my cattle.
     
    (6)

    But Joseph gave a possession to his father and his brethren in Egypt, in the best place of the land, in Ramesses, as Pharao had commanded.
     
    (11)

    Yes, they sold grain to everybody, but Joseph's family was otherwise favored. Joseph even sold the Egyptian's grain back to them and extracted the remnants of the liberty from the king which they had possessed:

    So Joseph bought all the land of Egypt, every man selling his possessions, because of the greatness of the famine. And he brought it into Pharao's hands:
     
    (20)
  133. Old fogey says:
    @dearieme
    "I doubt either of these countries has a top notch public health care system." I'd be surprised if the health care system much matters to longevity, after some rather low hurdle is leapt.

    I’d be surprised if the health care system much matters to longevity, after some rather low hurdle is leapt.

    I could not agree more.

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  134. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    Drinking again too-- Mediterraneans drink quite a bit but rarely to drunkenness.

    I'd be surprised if Spain didn't have fairly good doctors.

    Ask Nico.

    Oh, sorry. She’s dead.

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  135. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Anon 2
    Feynman spent the last 9 years of his life
    coping with cancer. By contrast, John Wheeler,
    his (non-Jewish) Ph.D. adviser at Princeton,
    lived to the age of 96.

    I don't have any info about Feynman's drinking
    but yes he would sometimes take his grad students
    to the topless bars near Caltech, something that
    feminists never forgave him. This sort of thing
    would be unthinkable today

    In the recent TV movie about Feynman and the Challenger investigation, there’s a scene where his oncologist speculates that exposure to radiation during the Manhattan Project might have given him cancer.

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  136. a reader says:
    @celt darnell
    Well, a significant percentage of this particular bunch of centenarians demonstrated better decision making powers when they fled Continental Europe for Great Britain.

    If you're a century old, you were an adult during the age of the Austrian corporal...

    Wrong.

    The special treatment to which the Austrian corporal submitted European Jews was much beneficial.

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  137. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @AM

    Honestly, if there is someone in charge, you wouldn’t expect God to allow his chosen people to be murdered by their millions in gas chambers, ovens and slave camps.
     
    Jews have existed for thousands of years as a distinct ethnicity and faith. I can't meet a Hittite or go to a country where ancient Egyptian is spoken. (Okay, Coptic, but not the same.)

    Jews are God's chosen people because I'm talking to you. I can't trace my heritage back thousands of years. The old covenant appears to still exist, along with the new covenant (Christianity) simultaneously. From my point of view, why Jews were chosen as already come to pass. But as Broski points out, under the old covenant, Jews had a bad habit of not holding up their end of the bargain and God would bring out the paddle board and get them back in line.

    I can’t trace my heritage back thousands of years.

    Neither can people who believe they are jewish.

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  138. Dr Hook says:

    British life expectancy varies dramatically with latitude.
    People in southern England have some of the longest lifespans in the non Japanese developed world

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/sep/14/health-life-expectancy-england-regional-differences-poorest-richest

    As you travel north into the Midlands, then Yorkshire and finally Scotland health and life expectancy drop steeply. Glasgow has Soviet style health outcomes.
    Since British Jews overwhelmingly live in and around London they probably live only slightly longer than their immediate neighbours.

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  139. black sea says:

    Southern Europeans live longer than northern, per Lot, and they’ve been part of civilization longer. I’ll bet Scots live less long than English. Blacks and American Indians are the latest comers and they have the shortest life spans.

    Scottish life expecancy is around two years shorter than that in England. The city of Glasgow has the shortest life expecancy in the UK:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-38142537

    Regarding differential booze consumption, it seems like the most common — I don’t know about accurate — theory is that Mediterranean cultures first mastered wine making, and that over the centuries those individuals most inclined to really heavy drinking got selected out of the gene pool.

    Aside from smoking, Mediterranean peoples seem generally to be less self destructive than their nothern neighbors. Among 28 EU countries, the highest male life expectancy is found in Cyprus, and the highest female life expectancy in Spain.

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  140. @Mark Caplan
    Definition of an Irish homosexual: one who prefers women over the bottle.

    This is calling out for a joke about Irish penis size.

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  141. @AnotherDad

    The Forward article says differentials in alcohol consumption do not account for Jews’ greater longevity, at least in America, but the passage isn’t entirely clear:

    Jews who make it past 95 have dietary habits and levels of alcohol consumption and physical activity similar to their shorter-lived counterparts
     

     
    I don't think this has much to do with the Jew/Gentile question--how much genes? how much lifestyle? The point here is the really long lived Jews don't look lifestyle wise any different from other Jews.

    This is just more data for the--i hope--pretty well understood point that lifestyle only buys you so much. Basically lifestyle (and some luck) can keep you from pre-maturely killing yourself. But the folks who live really long lives are genetically privileged.

    To be clear i think this is the limit case. If you look at people who die at 60, i think you'll find that they do differ--on average--in lifestyle from the folks who live longer. Dying early usually stems from either being dealth a bad hand of genes, pretty bad lifestyle, bad luck ... or a combination. As you go up to 70 deaths will look more like the general population, but still skew slightly "worse lifestyle". Into the 80s ... you won't see any difference. Into the 90s pluses on most factors. Into the high 90s or centerians, the overwhelming factor is that they have superior genes.

    This is a pretty good summary of death.

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  142. @Expletive Deleted
    Not many Jewish coalminers, foundry-workers, trawlermen, farmhands, foresters, sailors, steel erectors or brickies in those days (or ever).
    Of course clerical workers, shopkeepers and landlords outlive the grunts. And just try and stick a grunt job for forty years (fifty back then) without needing constant rehydration while dodging the lead plumbing. Everyone but everyone smoked like lords' bastards (took the edge off your depression-, then war-, then rationing-whetted appetite, very handy, and most kept the habit).
    Retired Army brass drink/drank horrifying amounts, far more than the plebs (the hard stuff, as did their wives/mistresses) because they could afford it, but again, Jews cruelly under-represented in that post-war cohort, due to bigotry or something no doubt.

    It used to be that drinking was just taken for granted.

    For example, in Ian Fleming’s biography it says that, when he was diagnosed with heart failure, Fleming’s cardiologist told him to switch from gin to bourbon (or vice versa–I don’t remember) for his heart!

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  143. @slumber_j
    Right: I think Blumenthal meant "can't" in a non-literal sense. What he really meant is, "Jews I know--and I'm one of them--don't drink like Seamus Heaney unless they make a mistake or are forced to."

    They even ran thru the creme de menthe and other sweet liqueurs which are disgusting to drink in quantity. I was surprised that they didn’t drink the vanilla extract.
     
    As my ex-brother-in-law informed me long ago, people in AA joke that if you still have vermouth around the house you're not a real alcoholic.

    Fucking vermouth! They sell it in huge bottles but it doesn’t have a long shelf life, so you end up having to keep buying gin to make martinis to use up your vermouth. Buy vermouth for gin and then gin for your vermouth. What a cycle!

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  144. Lurker says:
    @Rifleman

    At this point, I take sanctuary in my remaining hypothesis, uniquely parsimonious and happily irrefutable. The Jews are God’s chosen people.”
     
    This would be an example of Steve Sailer's favorite misguided idea - Ockham's razor.

    Murray went Full Shabbos Goy on that one.

    This would be an example of Steve Sailer’s favorite misguided idea – Ockham’s razor.

    In what way is it misguided? Surely it’s just a tool?

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    "Surely it's just a tool"

    Razors are philosophical as well as practical tools, which allow you to "shave off" unlikely explanations.

    It's beyond me how anyone can think Ockham's is misguided. Unless they take it for Ockham's Iron Law of Truth, which many otherwise intelligent people do.

    Not long ago I noticed Scott Adams doing so, in addition to misstating it.
  145. mobi says:

    One way to increase the lifespan of, for example, fruit flies fairly rapidly is to select for late onset / late loss of reproductive capacity in females.

    There appears to be a direct link between the timing of the female reproductive lifespan and overall lifespan.

    Is there evidence that Askenazi Jewish females, historically, have tended to have children at significantly later ages than the surrounding host population? If so, this would possibly, over successive generations, tend to ‘weed out’ the early-reproducers, and thereby, the early menopausers and early-agers, at least relative to the surrounding non-Jewish populations.

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    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    Is there evidence that Askenazi Jewish females, historically, have tended to have children at significantly later ages than the surrounding host population? If so, this would possibly, over successive generations, tend to ‘weed out’ the early-reproducers, and thereby, the early menopausers and early-agers, at least relative to the surrounding non-Jewish populations.
     
    I don't see how this can be the case. The Ashkenazi had considerably greater population growth than gentile populations. Most of this is just being rich. But Jewish women were not "liberated" but quite the reverse, under community expectation/pressure to do their community definied duty of being wives and mothers.

    It was actually Western gentile women--not where most Ashenazi were--who tended to have late/delayed marriage compared to overall human norms.

    The liberated (and annoying) Ashkenazi woman is a modern thing, after Jews saw that gentiles post-enlightenment were passing them by and leaving their insular culture in a backwater. I think this happened more in the West--Germany--in late 18th, early 19th century. And spread a from there. Accompanied, as modern urban life takes hold, by the falling fertility we've seen among gentiles. But the trope of a not-very-fertile Jewish woman is so recent--just a few generations in--that it can't be "a thing" genetically. (I'd guess up until the last few generations, Jewish women were in fact more fertile than similarly situated--class/income/urbanity--gentiles.)

    If anyone has seen any good data--presumeably Jews did keep some excellent records, which may unfortunately have disappeared--it would be interesting to hear about it.

    Bottom line: historically Jewish women weren't liberated and low-fertility, but traditonal and fertile. This pretty much has to be the case. Practicies in communities that actually survived have to have been good ones or they wouldn't be around. There are plenty of Jews around. You don't see many Shakers. (Check out the Parsis for a community--a really smart and accomplished one--that's dying from feminism.)
  146. AM says:
    @kaganovitch
    " Joseph should have turned his family down flat (ie, the result if they had been strangers.)"

    We are not remembering our bible well . The Egyptians were selling food to all comers at the time

    We are not remembering our bible well . The Egyptians were selling food to all comers at the time

    True. The Paroah and Joseph couldn’t just give away the food that belonged to the Egyptians, they literally sold it to the highest bidder, regardless the people who had actually grown the food in years past. (Except Joseph’s family who got land and food for nothing.)

    Genesis 47:13 ” There was no food, however, in the whole region because the famine was severe; both Egypt and Canaan wasted away because of the famine. Joseph collected all the money that was to be found in Egypt and Canaan in payment for the grain they were buying, and he brought it to Pharaoh’s palace. 15 When the money of the people of Egypt and Canaan was gone, all Egypt came to Joseph and said, “Give us food. Why should we die before your eyes? Our money is all gone.””

    Genesis 47:20 “So Joseph bought all the land in Egypt for Pharaoh. The Egyptians, one and all, sold their fields, because the famine was too severe for them. The land became Pharaoh’s, 21 and Joseph reduced the people to servitude,[c] from one end of Egypt to the other.”

    Basically regular Egyptians sold themselves into serfdom to get at the food that they had paid in as taxes for the last 7 years. Sure, the Canaanites did too, but they hadn’t grown the food for the warehouses and if I had to guess, feeding them too wasn’t part of the plan. This passage in Genesis is a horrifying description of the power of a state gone bad in an emergency situation.

    And look, there’s Jew and his family in charge of it. It was gonna to happen, the “payback” for this particular scheme. sigh

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  147. @Broski
    Charles Murray has a great 2007 article about Jewish intelligence in Commentary.

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/jewish-genius/

    This was, of course, before Pod the Lesser became editor. I suspect the three final sentences greatly facilitated the article's publication: "Why should one particular tribe at the time of Moses, living in the same environment as other nomadic and agricultural peoples of the Middle East, have already evolved elevated intelligence when the others did not? At this point, I take sanctuary in my remaining hypothesis, uniquely parsimonious and happily irrefutable. The Jews are God’s chosen people."

    Present day Jews are not the “chosen.” They are not related to the Jews of Jesus’ time.

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  148. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @kaganovitch
    " Joseph should have turned his family down flat (ie, the result if they had been strangers.)"

    We are not remembering our bible well . The Egyptians were selling food to all comers at the time

    Genesis 47

    The land of Egypt is before thee: make them dwell in the best place, and give them the land of Gessen. And if thou knowest that there are industrious men among them, make them rulers over my cattle.

    (6)

    But Joseph gave a possession to his father and his brethren in Egypt, in the best place of the land, in Ramesses, as Pharao had commanded.

    (11)

    Yes, they sold grain to everybody, but Joseph’s family was otherwise favored. Joseph even sold the Egyptian’s grain back to them and extracted the remnants of the liberty from the king which they had possessed:

    So Joseph bought all the land of Egypt, every man selling his possessions, because of the greatness of the famine. And he brought it into Pharao’s hands:

    (20)

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    This is an entirely different point of course. You appear to be arguing that Joseph's policy of maximizing Royal prerogative at the expense of the nobility (and perhaps peasantry; it's not clear if peasants were landowners) was unwise. That's as may be, although Joseph had a fiduciary duty to Pharaoh not to some ideal of good government, hence he was not starting with a blank slate. AM was arguing nearly the opposite
    "It’s not a shocker that Egyptians enslaved Joseph’s family. Even from Day 1 they seemed to assume that Egypt was there to serve them. Certainly Joseph himself had no problems using Egyptian resources to deal with what was a private family matter. I have no idea of the policies at the time, but chances are if Egyptians were running low on food, Joseph should have turned his family down flat (ie, the result if they had been strangers.) Assuming that seed of behavior snowballed, at some point, an Egyptian was going to be like “Hey, WTF?” and fix the problem, one way or other."

    I.E. He is arguing that Joseph was violating his fiduciary duty to Pharaoh/Egypt for reason of tribal interest. As the verses you cite demonstrate, he was acting on the explicit instruction of Pharaoh. I was just pointing out that the text says what policy was at the time, it was to sell to all comers.
  149. Could another factor be that Western Jews are freed from spiritually debilitating effects of officially mandated and enforced guilt complex? Since our contemporary burden of blame is mostly Jewish engineered and aimed at White gentiles, its relentless, hysterically severe judgements are devoid of any less-than-exemplary assessment of Jews.

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  150. @mobi
    One way to increase the lifespan of, for example, fruit flies fairly rapidly is to select for late onset / late loss of reproductive capacity in females.

    There appears to be a direct link between the timing of the female reproductive lifespan and overall lifespan.

    Is there evidence that Askenazi Jewish females, historically, have tended to have children at significantly later ages than the surrounding host population? If so, this would possibly, over successive generations, tend to 'weed out' the early-reproducers, and thereby, the early menopausers and early-agers, at least relative to the surrounding non-Jewish populations.

    Is there evidence that Askenazi Jewish females, historically, have tended to have children at significantly later ages than the surrounding host population? If so, this would possibly, over successive generations, tend to ‘weed out’ the early-reproducers, and thereby, the early menopausers and early-agers, at least relative to the surrounding non-Jewish populations.

    I don’t see how this can be the case. The Ashkenazi had considerably greater population growth than gentile populations. Most of this is just being rich. But Jewish women were not “liberated” but quite the reverse, under community expectation/pressure to do their community definied duty of being wives and mothers.

    It was actually Western gentile women–not where most Ashenazi were–who tended to have late/delayed marriage compared to overall human norms.

    The liberated (and annoying) Ashkenazi woman is a modern thing, after Jews saw that gentiles post-enlightenment were passing them by and leaving their insular culture in a backwater. I think this happened more in the West–Germany–in late 18th, early 19th century. And spread a from there. Accompanied, as modern urban life takes hold, by the falling fertility we’ve seen among gentiles. But the trope of a not-very-fertile Jewish woman is so recent–just a few generations in–that it can’t be “a thing” genetically. (I’d guess up until the last few generations, Jewish women were in fact more fertile than similarly situated–class/income/urbanity–gentiles.)

    If anyone has seen any good data–presumeably Jews did keep some excellent records, which may unfortunately have disappeared–it would be interesting to hear about it.

    Bottom line: historically Jewish women weren’t liberated and low-fertility, but traditonal and fertile. This pretty much has to be the case. Practicies in communities that actually survived have to have been good ones or they wouldn’t be around. There are plenty of Jews around. You don’t see many Shakers. (Check out the Parsis for a community–a really smart and accomplished one–that’s dying from feminism.)

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  151. @Anon
    Genesis 47

    The land of Egypt is before thee: make them dwell in the best place, and give them the land of Gessen. And if thou knowest that there are industrious men among them, make them rulers over my cattle.
     
    (6)

    But Joseph gave a possession to his father and his brethren in Egypt, in the best place of the land, in Ramesses, as Pharao had commanded.
     
    (11)

    Yes, they sold grain to everybody, but Joseph's family was otherwise favored. Joseph even sold the Egyptian's grain back to them and extracted the remnants of the liberty from the king which they had possessed:

    So Joseph bought all the land of Egypt, every man selling his possessions, because of the greatness of the famine. And he brought it into Pharao's hands:
     
    (20)

    This is an entirely different point of course. You appear to be arguing that Joseph’s policy of maximizing Royal prerogative at the expense of the nobility (and perhaps peasantry; it’s not clear if peasants were landowners) was unwise. That’s as may be, although Joseph had a fiduciary duty to Pharaoh not to some ideal of good government, hence he was not starting with a blank slate. AM was arguing nearly the opposite
    “It’s not a shocker that Egyptians enslaved Joseph’s family. Even from Day 1 they seemed to assume that Egypt was there to serve them. Certainly Joseph himself had no problems using Egyptian resources to deal with what was a private family matter. I have no idea of the policies at the time, but chances are if Egyptians were running low on food, Joseph should have turned his family down flat (ie, the result if they had been strangers.) Assuming that seed of behavior snowballed, at some point, an Egyptian was going to be like “Hey, WTF?” and fix the problem, one way or other.”

    I.E. He is arguing that Joseph was violating his fiduciary duty to Pharaoh/Egypt for reason of tribal interest. As the verses you cite demonstrate, he was acting on the explicit instruction of Pharaoh. I was just pointing out that the text says what policy was at the time, it was to sell to all comers.

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    He is arguing that Joseph was violating his fiduciary duty to Pharaoh/Egypt for reason of tribal interest. As the verses you cite demonstrate, he was acting on the explicit instruction of Pharaoh. I was just pointing out that the text says what policy was at the time, it was to sell to all comers.
     
    Actually, the passages do not say Joseph was working on the explicit instructions of Pharaoh. It's quite possible Joseph suggested the idea of basically stealing the wealth of the populace to the Pharaoh. Or that he was doing it somewhat covertly. The passages didn't say he was "under orders" - merely that the wealth was brought back the hands of the Pharaoh (when would be another interesting question). Maybe Joseph used the scheme to stay in power? We'll never know, because it's a written in as pro-Joseph light as possible.

    It's no good here. We can do as much spinning as Maytag and there's no way to make this story look like Joseph is a saint. (And indeed it's David and Solomon who have respect in Judsiam and Christianity. Even Andrew Lloyd Webber had the brains to stop Joseph and Technicolor Dreamcoat before these passages)

    The choice of "Well, he was serving Pharaoh, so he doing his duty and that was that" as a POV makes it painfully obvious why historically Jewish communities never see the anger or consequences of their group behavior in host societies coming. Joseph is amoral in this story because as 2nd in command of Egypt, he has responsibility not to his own neck, or reconciling his family, but the best interests of Egypt herself. As position of essentially Egypt's steward, he need to argue or subvert Pharaoh, if the extortionist grain sales were Pharaoh's idea, which it's not clear it is. As it is, like in the first time he rose to steward, he seem rather more content to daly with or rape the lady of the house, depending on who you believe.

  152. Higher life expectancy is a new thing too at least in absolute terms and not in comparative-relative. Or even not and life expectancy increase during the apex of “civilization” and decrease with its decadent and final period.

    Would be very interesting separate natural aging and artificial aging, people who has been helped by modern/western medicine. Natural life expectancy without any intrusive medical intervention seems lower than general (natural + artificial aging). I also believe that “smarter” people will have greater natural aging while freak geniuses will have greater variability in its factor.

    Seems life expectancy in the past has been mostly due by genetics while today with generalized application of modern medicine this increase has been more due to artificial/medical interventions to increase life expectancy of individuals that without it would die earlier.

    Of any differential selective pressures has selected this bunch of features into the K-life type so why?? Fundamentally the action of western/scientific/Aristotelian medicine?

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  153. AM says:
    @kaganovitch
    This is an entirely different point of course. You appear to be arguing that Joseph's policy of maximizing Royal prerogative at the expense of the nobility (and perhaps peasantry; it's not clear if peasants were landowners) was unwise. That's as may be, although Joseph had a fiduciary duty to Pharaoh not to some ideal of good government, hence he was not starting with a blank slate. AM was arguing nearly the opposite
    "It’s not a shocker that Egyptians enslaved Joseph’s family. Even from Day 1 they seemed to assume that Egypt was there to serve them. Certainly Joseph himself had no problems using Egyptian resources to deal with what was a private family matter. I have no idea of the policies at the time, but chances are if Egyptians were running low on food, Joseph should have turned his family down flat (ie, the result if they had been strangers.) Assuming that seed of behavior snowballed, at some point, an Egyptian was going to be like “Hey, WTF?” and fix the problem, one way or other."

    I.E. He is arguing that Joseph was violating his fiduciary duty to Pharaoh/Egypt for reason of tribal interest. As the verses you cite demonstrate, he was acting on the explicit instruction of Pharaoh. I was just pointing out that the text says what policy was at the time, it was to sell to all comers.

    He is arguing that Joseph was violating his fiduciary duty to Pharaoh/Egypt for reason of tribal interest. As the verses you cite demonstrate, he was acting on the explicit instruction of Pharaoh. I was just pointing out that the text says what policy was at the time, it was to sell to all comers.

    Actually, the passages do not say Joseph was working on the explicit instructions of Pharaoh. It’s quite possible Joseph suggested the idea of basically stealing the wealth of the populace to the Pharaoh. Or that he was doing it somewhat covertly. The passages didn’t say he was “under orders” – merely that the wealth was brought back the hands of the Pharaoh (when would be another interesting question). Maybe Joseph used the scheme to stay in power? We’ll never know, because it’s a written in as pro-Joseph light as possible.

    It’s no good here. We can do as much spinning as Maytag and there’s no way to make this story look like Joseph is a saint. (And indeed it’s David and Solomon who have respect in Judsiam and Christianity. Even Andrew Lloyd Webber had the brains to stop Joseph and Technicolor Dreamcoat before these passages)

    The choice of “Well, he was serving Pharaoh, so he doing his duty and that was that” as a POV makes it painfully obvious why historically Jewish communities never see the anger or consequences of their group behavior in host societies coming. Joseph is amoral in this story because as 2nd in command of Egypt, he has responsibility not to his own neck, or reconciling his family, but the best interests of Egypt herself. As position of essentially Egypt’s steward, he need to argue or subvert Pharaoh, if the extortionist grain sales were Pharaoh’s idea, which it’s not clear it is. As it is, like in the first time he rose to steward, he seem rather more content to daly with or rape the lady of the house, depending on who you believe.

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    Joseph is amoral in this story because as 2nd in command of Egypt, he has responsibility not to his own neck, or reconciling his family, but the best interests of Egypt herself.

    Amoral? Do you not mean immoral?
  154. Svigor says:

    So, does being inbred as Hell not hurt Jews, help Jews, hurt them but not enough to overcome some other factor, or what?

    P.S., where’s the outcry about how desperately Jews need to breed out to save their people from their own inbreeding, and its dire consequences?

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  155. guest says:
    @Lurker

    This would be an example of Steve Sailer’s favorite misguided idea – Ockham’s razor.
     
    In what way is it misguided? Surely it's just a tool?

    “Surely it’s just a tool”

    Razors are philosophical as well as practical tools, which allow you to “shave off” unlikely explanations.

    It’s beyond me how anyone can think Ockham’s is misguided. Unless they take it for Ockham’s Iron Law of Truth, which many otherwise intelligent people do.

    Not long ago I noticed Scott Adams doing so, in addition to misstating it.

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  156. @AM

    He is arguing that Joseph was violating his fiduciary duty to Pharaoh/Egypt for reason of tribal interest. As the verses you cite demonstrate, he was acting on the explicit instruction of Pharaoh. I was just pointing out that the text says what policy was at the time, it was to sell to all comers.
     
    Actually, the passages do not say Joseph was working on the explicit instructions of Pharaoh. It's quite possible Joseph suggested the idea of basically stealing the wealth of the populace to the Pharaoh. Or that he was doing it somewhat covertly. The passages didn't say he was "under orders" - merely that the wealth was brought back the hands of the Pharaoh (when would be another interesting question). Maybe Joseph used the scheme to stay in power? We'll never know, because it's a written in as pro-Joseph light as possible.

    It's no good here. We can do as much spinning as Maytag and there's no way to make this story look like Joseph is a saint. (And indeed it's David and Solomon who have respect in Judsiam and Christianity. Even Andrew Lloyd Webber had the brains to stop Joseph and Technicolor Dreamcoat before these passages)

    The choice of "Well, he was serving Pharaoh, so he doing his duty and that was that" as a POV makes it painfully obvious why historically Jewish communities never see the anger or consequences of their group behavior in host societies coming. Joseph is amoral in this story because as 2nd in command of Egypt, he has responsibility not to his own neck, or reconciling his family, but the best interests of Egypt herself. As position of essentially Egypt's steward, he need to argue or subvert Pharaoh, if the extortionist grain sales were Pharaoh's idea, which it's not clear it is. As it is, like in the first time he rose to steward, he seem rather more content to daly with or rape the lady of the house, depending on who you believe.

    Joseph is amoral in this story because as 2nd in command of Egypt, he has responsibility not to his own neck, or reconciling his family, but the best interests of Egypt herself.

    Amoral? Do you not mean immoral?

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A simple remedy for income stagnation
Confederate Flag Day, State Capitol, Raleigh, N.C. -- March 3, 2007
The major media overlooked Communist spies and Madoff’s fraud. What are they missing today?
Are elite university admissions based on meritocracy and diversity as claimed?
The evidence is clear — but often ignored