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Evidence keeps accumulating that the liberal half of America took a sudden swerve into political extremism and psychological problems around 2013. Why? Commenter TheMediumIsTheMassage offers a pop cultural suggestion.

“A central question about our time is: Why did Democrats go nuts in c. 2013?”

This is indeed a central question of our time and while many of the reasons people have given in these comments and that you yourself Steve have given are totally valid, I think a potential exacerbating/tipping factor was the release of Django Unchained in late 2012. It was a big box office success watched by tens of millions and pretty much revived the national conversation about slavery– it was also one of the first mainstream films released to openly deal with the topic, particularly portraying it as extremely brutal. Furthermore, it was one of the first of many ‘historical white guilt’ films that followed in the years after it (others include The Butler, Hidden Figures, 12 Years a Slave, the currently in theatres The Hate U Give, etc).

Django made a spectacle out of a black man murdering white people and gleefully portrayed every white character except Christoph Waltz’s German expatriate character as totally evil. It also prominently featured Sam L Jackson as the ultimate ‘uncle Tom’. I can’t think of any films in the preceding decade that prompted their audience to leave the theatre actively hating white people and celebrating black violence against them (however justified it is in the context of the film). I don’t know if it’s a stretch to imagine it was the spark that set off a feeling of extreme racial resentment that then coalesced into the organized Black Lives Matter movement and the ensuing ‘hate whitey’ media rhetoric that dominates today’s ‘liberal’ discourse, but I’ve never seen this theory advanced before so I think it’s worth examining.

I dunno, but it’s an interesting idea.

Generally, successful artists happen to be in the right place at the right time to ride an already breaking cultural wave. Quentin Tarantino, however, might be one of the rare artists who could personally give the general culture a nudge in a destructive direction.

It’s important to note that Tarantino is by no means a doctrinaire left-of-center scold. His vivid fantasy life revolves around middle-aged white male movie tough guys slaughtering their enemies, and he looks for excuses in the zeitgeist to indulge himself in what he likes. I’ve felt, going back at least to Kill Bill, that Tarantino is not a good man.

For example, it’s clear from Inglourious Basterds that he identifies with Goebbels, with Harvey Weinstein as his Hitler:

Goebbels provides one of the most amusing moments in Inglourious Basterds, crying when Hitler praises his latest film. “€œIf Hitler says that this is the greatest movie you’ve ever done, I can see Goebbels getting choked up,”€ Tarantino said in explaining the scene. “€œWhen Harvey Weinstein does that, I get a tear in my eye.”€

But Tarantino’s moral failings are unfortunate because nobody can deny that Tarantino is a talented man. For instance, Django looks grand. I have a vague theory that Tarantino personally rendered out of date the Shaky-Cam fad of the 2000s decade (recently revived in First Man) with the stately Basterds and Django.

An earlier hate porn movie came out on the Christmas Day exactly one year before Django, the 2011 American remake of the lunatic Swedish book/movie The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. So it seems likely that the cultural tide was rolling in that direction. Still, while David Fincher is an extremely effective director, he’s not quite Tarantino for pop culture impact over the last quarter of a century. Nor is making a vicious fantasy about good leftist Swedes versus the swarms of Nazi Swedes quite the same as one encouraging American blacks to hate whites.

in my review of Django Unchained, I wrote:

In 2013, is the black gun violence Tarantino espouses really such a fascinating new phenomenon? For generations now, American media have been encouraging blacks to take violent retribution. We’re coming up on close to a half-century of whites in the media egging on black badassery.

How’s Tarantino’s macho minstrel show working out for black males, anyway?

According to a 1967 government report sponsored by the Surgeon General, the black homicide rate began to rise in 1962 after a long decline. Mostly, though, whites just move out of the way and blacks kill each other. The federal Bureau of Justice Statistics reports that for the 30 years from 1976-2005, there were 276,000 African-American homicide victims, 94% of them murdered by other blacks.

But who cares about a quarter of a million murdered black people? What matters is white-on-white moral status striving. And in that eternal war, even Quentin Tarantino is a welcome recruit.

 
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  1. • Replies: @Jefferson
    If Matthew Shepards had been murdered by Gay hating Muslims his death would have gone down the mainstream media rabbit hole and nobody would have ever known who the hell he was.
    , @Bubba
    I wonder why a homosexual drug dealer murdered by another homosexual drug dealer over a debt would be elevated to sainthood by the Episcopal Church?
    , @Colin Wright
    'You believe this shit ?'

    That was pretty strange. Drug deal gone sideways? No -- homosexual martyr better.

    What's actually interesting -- if depressing -- is reading about the whole cast of characters. One of the killers, for example, was assumed by everyone who knew him to be an orphan. Actually, his mother lived right in town. She was an alcoholic who managed to freeze to death one winter night a few years after the killing.

    Then one of the girlfriends, 'Chasity,' (these people have parents who can't even spell their children's names right) just died at the suspiciously early age of thirty nine.

    Finally, there's the victim himself -- quite a piece of work. Supposedly the victim of a homosexual gang rape on an improbable high school trip to Morocco (really?) and tested positive for HIV when he died. All in all, it could be a morbidly interesting study at the underside of modern white America. By comparison, the Gay martyr nonsense is relatively dull and predictable.
  2. Pop-culture has a problem with limits since the customer himself is a figure who is (structurally) almighty. (This might be a deeper (=structural) reason for the danger of the public sphere to regress (=become an entity which likes to be CODDLED/ s. Lukianoff /Haidt, but see Dave Rubins term “the regressive left” as well).

    So – Let the Good Times Roll - is ok, but insufficient as a cultural code for all walks of life (as a code of existential gravity****). And as soon as it implies – the RAP-weirdness, say, or – – Tarantino’s utter weirdness and tastelessness and sadism as in Chango Unchained, a society should definitely turn it’s back to such a mindset.

    Steve Sailer understood this right away. Who else?

    **** – as something Erich Fromm or Martin Heidegger might have agreed upon together (yep: Fromm thought (and wrote), that Heidegger had quite important existential insights).

    • Replies: @Russ
    Meh. Occam's Razor: Simplest is best. And simplest is that the Dems treated as the Second Coming the election prophesized by MLKjr of a (half, at least) black president. Of course, when it proved not to be anything of the sort, what fantasy was left for them?

    Dubya's presidency looks worse with each passing year. But if he were to state publicly that Obama's election itself proved "the soft bigotry of lowered expectations," I'd issue him a few redemption points.
  3. Quentin Tarantino, however, might be one of the rare artists who could personally give the general culture a nudge in a destructive direction.

    Insofar as the current liberal mindset can be blamed on any particular artist, I’d say J.K. Rowling arguably played a much bigger role than Tarantino. The key conflict in the Harry Potter books, after all, centers around Voldemort’s belief in the importance of “blood purity” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictional_universe_of_Harry_Potter#Blood_purity ). Basically, Voldemort is an evil racist wizard supremacist. Harry Potter’s faction, by contrast, are anti-racist social justice wizards. Seems to me that this provided the framing device through which rather many Millennials interprets all political and moral issues. Here’s a somewhat more elaborate version of my point:

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/06/harry-potter-and-the-millennial-mind/

    • Replies: @Altai
    Seems to me that this provided the framing device through which rather many nerdy female SJW Millennials interprets all political and moral issues.

    FTFY.
    , @Lurker
    Yet Harry's power comes from his ancestry. I'm sure it's been addressed here by Steve and/or commenters.
  4. Noah Smith’s post on Django is probably worth reading for a lefty/Goodwhite perspective: http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2013/02/django.html?m=1

    Excerpt:

    The supposedly mighty Southern warriors are no match for Schultz’s superior Prussian gunnery. I see this as Tarantino giving a big fat middle finger to Southern pretensions of military manhood; one diminutive middle-aged German dude makes them look like amateurs. King Schultz, you see, is the Real Real White Guy, and one such man is worth a thousand of the slavers who tried to usurp the mantle of the white race.

    It almost seems as if Schultz’ character came to the South just to serve this notice.

    And here’s the amazing part; it really, really worked. The theater where I saw Django was packed mostly with working-class-type white folks, more men than women. Exactly the kind of people who might have felt an affinity with the South in the last three decades. And every time Schultz gunned down another white Southern slaver, these people laughed and whooped and cheered. No moral equivalence was in evidence. There was no dismay at the easy defeat of Southern manhood.

    • Replies: @Frank G
    I wouldn’t describe (((Noah Smith))) as a “goodwhite.”
    , @Desiderius
    Nothing good about that foolishly naive white. Making America 1862 again.

    His namesake had a flood to wipe out all the genetic competition; Smith relies on the old standby of stirring up trouble Cirith Ungol style.
    , @anon
    is it (((Noah Smith))) by chance?
    , @Autochthon
    That's nice. Of course, the reality is that southern Americans have long dominated the nation's military, including it's most dedicated, decorated, and effective members; they had a remarkably disproportionate effect crushing "Prussian gunnery" in two global wars.

    So that comment (and the silly movie it praises) is kind of like other masturbatory fantasies which turn reality upside down: clever Negresses were the heart of the space programme (white men were, and no African nation has an aeronautics industry, nevermind a space programme).

    TL;DR: The guy is gushing about how righteous it is to finally see a fat, ugly guy getting all the chicks and putting to rest the illusion that muscular, handsome guys get them. Sure....
    , @Anonymous
    Where did he see this movie with "working class white folks"? Noah Smith lived in NYC before moving to San Fran. He's notorious for being dishonest, making stuff up, deleting and censoring criticism on his blog and on Twitter, etc. He's not very bright either, so he has trouble making his propaganda and spins sound subtle and plausible.

    Ordinary white moviegoers don't identify with foreigners with weird accents. Schultz represented the hordes of immigrants, mostly German and Irish, that the North imported to win the war against the more warlike, honor based, nativist South. It's obviously this impulse that Smith, who spends most of his time propagandizing on behalf of immigration, is motivated by. He's basically inverted this narrative in order to suggest to himself and to others, that his aim of using immigrants to swamp his political enemies does not display a lack of honor and manhood.
    , @Brutusale
    In the real world, King Schultz would have taken one between the horns from one of this group's descendants.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan%27s_Riflemen
  5. That’s a interesting thesis but the real tipping point for when the country descended into la-la land was the Trayvon Martin incident from 2012, and the ‘national conversation’ about race and all things SJW that it ignited. It will go down in history as the Dreyfus Affair 2.0, a watershed moment when fault lines crystallized and an inexorable polarization of the politically moderate masses followed.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    That’s a interesting thesis but the real tipping point for when the country descended into la-la land was the Trayvon Martin incident from 2012, and the ‘national conversation’ about race and all things SJW that it ignited. It will go down in history as the Dreyfus Affair 2.0, a watershed moment when fault lines crystallized and an inexorable polarization of the politically moderate masses followed.
     
    I think that moment occurred roughly 20 years prior to that. The real incidents that set the country irrevocably down the path of no return were the Rodney King riots, the OJ Simpson trial, and the Oklahoma City bombing.

    It all fell apart in the early '90s. We passed through a glitch in the map and ever since then have been living on borrowed time.
  6. Anti-white hate/non-white resentment has been stoked for years. Film, books, TV, comics. Maybe 2013 was just the crossing of a threshold?

    Not seen DU and won’t, certainly not if I have to pay.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The end has a fun scene where Django uses his horse like he was doing a motorcycle tyre burnout to impress his just liberated girlfriend. That and blowing away the white sister with a Colt, which has the effect of ripping her body out of the scene as if she had been yanked away by a rope. ARF!

    Otherwise it is basically a Pulp/Nazi revenge fantasy movie with switched roles where you can cheer as degenerate un-aryan corpses accumulate.

    And Tarantino knows that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojB5fpoeQ2c
    , @bomag

    Anti-white hate/non-white resentment has been stoked for years.
     
    Agree. We had the "60s and a slow roll of media celebration over the years, such as the Roots miniseries.
    , @Almost Missouri
    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2yc2r8
  7. vidence keeps accumulating that the liberal half of America took a sudden swerve into political extremism and psychological problems around 2013.

    No, the real story is that as it became more and more obvious that a black liberal was turning out to be a popular and potentially successful President, powerful groups with vested economic and social interests in the status quo decided to undermine the left and Obama in particular at every opportunity. To be sure, there are plenty of idiots and America haters on the left, but then, there always have been. The left in 2013 was far less insane and anti-American than the left in the 1970s, or the 1930s. But a lot of very peripheral racial and sexually tinged nonsense was elevated by pundits and politicians, Steve included, into major drama to make it impossible for Obama to get credit for economic growth, torpedo what would have been a very successful health care reform, and ensure that no one on Wall Street ever pays for the general lawlessnes and corruption that led to the 2008 crisis.

    Trump is a master at this. The „caravan“ is an incredibly marginal event. But Trump needs to keep the electorate distracted from his corruption, tax dodging, failure to address the opiate crisis and massive transfer of wealth to the GOP donor class. The tragedy of American working and middle class whites is that demagogues have always been able to use social issues as a distraction while fleecing the rubes. Nothing has changed since Mark Twain‘s day.

    • Disagree: UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    • Troll: IHTG, Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    If this were true then the left would have fixed immigration years ago rather than using immigration to fix the electorate.
    , @notanon

    to make it impossible for Obama to get credit for economic growth ... (snip) ... and ensure that no one on Wall Street ever pays for the general lawlessnes and corruption that led to the 2008 crisis.
     
    there was no economic growth

    Clinton's deregulation of the banks created a credit bubble from c. 1998 till it crashed and burned in 2008 - and like all credit bubbles it was an illusion that leaves everyone poorer than when it started

    (apart from the bankers who end much richer)


    failure to address the opiate crisis
     
    the media covered up the opiode crisis for 20 years cos the media are owned by the people who were making billions from off-shoring (which is what triggered the opiode crisis in the resulting rust-belt)

    if any single institution was responsible for the c. 500,000 excess deaths it would be "The Economist."

    , @anon

    Trump is a master at this. The „caravan“ is an incredibly marginal event. But Trump needs to keep the electorate distracted from his corruption, tax dodging, failure to address the opiate crisis and massive transfer of wealth to the GOP donor class.
     
    did you give up on his Russian collusion already?
    , @Fidelios Automata
    Obamacare? Successful? It was only successful at impoverishing the middle class and would have failed just as miserably without Republican opposition. (And yes, I'm aware that cuck-publican Mitt Romney invented that scam.)
    , @Neoconned
    Generally agree with your comments Peter except for the fact Obamacare aka Romneycar aka a mandate system was doomed to failure.

    Socialized medicine works....you just cannot do what the Dems currently want to do: which is to let in every single swinging sick foreigner and their families to piggyback the system until it is in bankruptcy. If it were only whites and blacks using it then a public option would be viable....just look at Canada or Denmark or Australia.....
    , @Mr. Anon

    But a lot of very peripheral racial and sexually tinged nonsense was elevated by pundits and politicians, Steve included, into major drama to make it impossible for Obama to get credit for economic growth, torpedo what would have been a very successful health care reform, and ensure that no one on Wall Street ever pays for the general lawlessnes and corruption that led to the 2008 crisis.
     
    What a lot of nonsense. Obamacare only would have been "a successful health care reform" for the insurance companies, who designed it. Moreover, it was the Obama administration itself that ensured that Wall Street would never pay any price for the crash of 2007/2008. He was by far their preferred candidate, as evidenced by all the money they stuck in his pocket during the 2008 campaign. So much so that he became the first Presidential candidate to eshew public financing of his general election campaign since public financing started in the 1970s, as it would have placed limits on what he was able to spend. And their sponsorship of Obama paid off for his masters in the finance sector. Things continued pretty good for them.

    This fact, by the way, is not nearly appreciated enough, certainly not by liberals, most of whom are unaware of it:

    "In 2008, Barack Obama became the first presidential candidate of a major party to decline public financing for the general election campaign since the program was established."

    https://ballotpedia.org/Public_financing_of_campaigns
    , @Forbes
    Put down the bong. You must be high as a kite...
    , @SMK
    The left has been insane since the French revolution. The Jacobins were the first modern leftists, The came Karl Marx and communism: Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, North Korea, Vietnam. And in France, predominantly, Sartre and his paramour, the first "radical feminist," Derrida, Foucalt, Lacan, deconstructionism, etc.

    Racially, the American left has been insane since the rise of the "new left" in the 1960's, saint MLK and his assassination, the election of JFK and his assassination, the Civil Rights Act, the Nation of Islam, the black panthers, the leftist control of the public schools, colleges and universities, the mass-media, criminal justice -all of this and more inducing an orgy of white guilt and masochism and an explosion of black violence and criminality ( murders, rapes, muggings, assaults, riots, etc.) that will never cease but only grow more pernicious.

    And the Immigration Act of 1965 which led, inexorably, given the insanity of not only the left but also most of the right, to an invasion of Mestizos and pure Amerindians from Mexico and Central America that will soon transform the United States into a nonwhite-majority country in which Eur0pean-Americans will be an increasingly dispossessed and persecuted minority -with the exception of the rich and affluent who'll live in gated communities that will remain 80-90% white with large minorities of wealthy "Asians" and have the money and means to flee the country, the nation and society they've destroyed, if their power and riches are threatened.
    , @Steve Sailer
    So, the explosion of political correctness in c.2013 was an anti-Obama plot by big money anti-Obama interests that the Obama Administration naively backed?
    , @Anon
    The gay movement grew very slowly, and some aspects, like the disgusting pride parades, never gained mainstream acceptance. The "T" "Q" and "I" burst onto the scene so quickly that they had to have been a deliberate troll. "Abolish ICE" and open borders were also caricatures of leftist positions that almost no one actually held, until they were enthusiastically supported by people who should've known better.

    Who were the trolls? Incels? Russians? Some combination of the two? Ultimately it doesn't matter, I still blame the mainstream left for falling for it. Their innate gullibility led them to this point.

    , @Colin Wright
    '...torpedo what would have been a very successful health care reform..'

    Sorry, but that's silly. Obamacare was and is simply a recipe for national bankruptcy. Moreover, it's too obvious to bother walking you through it.
    , @ben tillman

    No, the real story is that as it became more and more obvious that a black liberal was turning out to be a popular and potentially successful President, powerful groups with vested economic and social interests in the status quo decided to undermine the left and Obama in particular at every opportunity.
     
    That can't be so. Every powerful group is part of the Left.
    , @anon

    No, the real story is that as it became more and more obvious that a black liberal was turning out to be a popular and potentially successful President, powerful groups with vested economic and social interests in the status quo decided to undermine the left and Obama in particular at every opportunity.
     
    was he sabotaged by the media?
    , @Eric Novak
    The caravan has been a thousand miles long and has counted a hundred million among its travelers in the past 30 years.
  8. Why Did Democrats Go Nuts in 2013?

    It could be as simple as Obama getting elected to his second term. Lefties and grievance groups who were keen to ramp up identity politics likely saw his reelection as confirmation that the bad old ‘patriarchal’ White America was surrendering to a demographic—and thus political—new order, so they hit the accelerator.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    My thoughts exactly. The "hands up, don't shoot" lie, endless talk about bathrooms, BLM antics (funny, we don't hear much about them lately), police being picked off like sitting ducks, Bruce Jenner in an evening gown on national TV, as though it were perfectly normal...it was (and is) a insane feedback loop that has become more intense with each cycle.
    , @Uilleam Yr Alban
    Agree. The second term Holder-Lynch machinations* were those of a prematurely celebrating pyrrhic victor.

    *Trayvon, condemning the Ferguson police for releasing Michael Brown’s robbery video, the OCR’s** letter to universities outlining the new Puritanism, etc.

    **This was released in 2011 the day Obama announced his re-election campaign, so was a War on Women electoral strategy that metastasized in the second term and facilitated the New Nationalism.

  9. A more likely cause was simply the 2012 elections. Obama had been president for four years. He defeated Whitey McWhiterson, a good Anglo-Saxon Mormon boy, in his re-election bid. By 2012 it must have seemed like all of the pieces were coming together that would turn America into a post-European, post-Christian nation. And yet…something was still amiss. The economy was still running on all 1.5 cylinders. Young men and women who who were still in college when Obama was elected were entering a moribund job market with massive amounts of student debt, which continued for the next four years of his administration.

    Who to blame? Not Obama, but guys like Romney. In 2002 (coincidentally or not, the same year that Robbie Mook, the gay man who would become Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager, would graduate from college) two major books were published that would shape Democratic thinking. The first was The Emerging Democratic Majority, a book which argued that the POC’s and the fringes would soon become the majority. White people would become irrelevant. The second was Dick Florida’s Rise of the Creative Class, which was frankly dismissive of the suburbs (and pretty much anyone who didn’t live in cities), the middle class, and people in “non-creative” occupations (unless you were gay). I remember seeing Florida cited by no less than three Democratic campaigns shortly after its publication.

    Democrats have been telling themselves that (non-hipster, non-city dwelling) whites are evil and destined for the dustbin of history for a very long time. The election and re-election of a black dude to the Oval Office led them to believe that they were finally at the point where their contempt could be fully aired. Combine that success with the bitterness of the appallingly bad 2013 job market and you get the attitudes which emerged that year.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    All true and add to that all the things going badly overseas: the migrant crisis and waves of terror attacks in Europe, the failed Arab Spring, the Euromaidan project turning into Putin's hole-in-one victory in Crimea, etc. This sort of stuff might not sink into the consciousness of a self-absorbed butterfly like Robbie Mook but it would change the mood of the people in the media. It's hard to keep the Democratic base convinced they're riding the wave of inevitable Progress when things seem to be going wonky all over the place.
    , @Jefferson
    "Combine that success with the bitterness of the appallingly bad 2013 job market and you get the attitudes which emerged that year."

    So the 2013 bad job market was blamed on White Republicans and not Barack Hussein Obama? Was Obama just an empty suit in 2013?
  10. Well, our national elites are heavily concentrated in DC, NYC, and LA, and for decades they’d been very worried about black crime personally impacting them, which probably made them cautious about cheering for black violence.

    But they’d been working very hard for many years to gradually push out the blacks, and by the 2010s this policy had largely succeeded, with crime rates having drastically fallen. Once dangerous blacks were no longer around so much in their own vicinity, they could more freely indulge their liberal tendencies to glorify them, partly to assuage their guilt in having driven them away. Hence their positions in the Trayvon Martin controversy and all the others that followed.

    I discussed this at the time in my big Race/Crime article:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    The progressives are just as crazy in the UK but black issues are very marginal here.
    , @Charles Pewitt
    Oh, no, it wasn't the Blacks. It was central banking that drove the ruling class rats nuts.

    Central banking is where the the ruling class is most vulnerable, not their coddling of Black criminality and Black wanton violence and Black disruption of schools and other institutions.

    The WASP/JEW ruling class don't give a pile of horseshit about Blacks. The WASP/JEW ruling class is kept in power by electronic money(monetary extremism) and electronic propaganda.

    Don't forget the Pritzkers out in Chicago, Mr Unz. I think the Pritzkers and other real estate and financial interests have been sloughing off their Blacks on other states and cities to make their Chicago property more valuable.

    National "elites"?

    That's too nice a word. Elites as a word has no delightful triggering effect on regular Whites. "Ruling class" as a phrase gets White people thinking about who these people are and how can we remove them from power or rule.
    , @Ray P
    In Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72, Hunter Thompson observed that Capitol Hill staff had to run to their cars in the car parks to dodge (black) robbers from neighborhoods abutting Congress. He thought it explained a lot of Washington political attitudes.
    , @Autochthon
    The megalopolis of San José, Oakland, and San Francisco continues to commonly be left out of the conventional triumvirate cited, but it should not be; in fact that area is now probably the most important save Washington, with the rise of intrusive and ubiquitous technology and its displacement of conventional media (movies, television, printing, and music coming from New York and Los Angeles) with far more powerful social media, oligolopolistic engines, devices, and platforms that censor ideas and foster echo chambers for those in agreement with the dark powers.

    N.B. the dearth of Negroes in that megalopolis....

    , @Bubba
    Your Race/Crime article should be enshrined in a DC memorial.

    Thank you for your wonderful website, your columns and digital storing of books that would otherwise be destroyed by our elites in conjunction with Amazon and Google.

    And you should receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom for your work. Thank you Mr. Unz.
  11. With a Republican Trump fan just apprehended for sending pipe bombs to Democratic politicians and CNN commentators, will Sailer have the intellectual honesty to talk about how Trump is inflaming the crazies on the right? Or do we just talk about the crazies on the left, who I agree are a growing problem.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Trump is a counterattacker. The reason he’s here at all is that y’all had a pre-existing problem.
    , @Anonymous

    With a Republican Trump fan just apprehended for sending pipe bombs to Democratic politicians and CNN commentators, will Sailer have the intellectual honesty to talk about how Trump is inflaming the crazies on the right?
     
    Was he inflamed by Trump or by the behavior of Democratic politicians and the media?
  12. I don’t think so. 2013 was the year that it became undeniable that it was possible for people to get around the media monopoly and create their own counter culture on the internet. There were podcasts, blogs, still uncensored social media…

    Twitter was especially egregious to TPTB. Suddenly people were talking back! In person! Using phrases and ideas that had been developed entirely without their involvement!

    Wikipedia sort of confirms this. Twitter really got going around 2011, most importantly adding the ability for users to post pictures. Awful, irreverent, insulting pictures.

    So, two years for the powerful to get angrier and angrier before they decide that enough is enough, no more Mr. Nice Establishment. Seems about right.

  13. Because it was a Tarantino film, a wide swath of society would have seen Django Unchained and taken it seriously as a social cue. Unlike something from World Star Hop Hop or the indie music scene, everyone ends up being exposed to a Tarantino movie, directly or indirectly. White film nerds would likely be hardest hit. The guys with the ratty beards and glasses would dutifully embrace ethno-masochism after the great Tarantino showed the way. This would show up in their work as clickbait journalists, teaching assistants and sassy baristas.

  14. It isn’t so much that something happened in 2013 but that a culmination of events prior to 2013 resulted in a tipping point. The answer actually is obvious.

    Ta-Nehasi Coates.

    He came out with the reparations article around this time. His perch at the Atlantic gave him a very big platform. His influence among the journalists in urban areas is massive, and that gradually has shifted coverage to what it is today.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Underrated.

    SJW types treat every word TNC writes as manna from heaven, revelations to be cherished and spread.

    I never saw anything quite like it.
  15. @Peter Akuleyev
    vidence keeps accumulating that the liberal half of America took a sudden swerve into political extremism and psychological problems around 2013.

    No, the real story is that as it became more and more obvious that a black liberal was turning out to be a popular and potentially successful President, powerful groups with vested economic and social interests in the status quo decided to undermine the left and Obama in particular at every opportunity. To be sure, there are plenty of idiots and America haters on the left, but then, there always have been. The left in 2013 was far less insane and anti-American than the left in the 1970s, or the 1930s. But a lot of very peripheral racial and sexually tinged nonsense was elevated by pundits and politicians, Steve included, into major drama to make it impossible for Obama to get credit for economic growth, torpedo what would have been a very successful health care reform, and ensure that no one on Wall Street ever pays for the general lawlessnes and corruption that led to the 2008 crisis.

    Trump is a master at this. The „caravan“ is an incredibly marginal event. But Trump needs to keep the electorate distracted from his corruption, tax dodging, failure to address the opiate crisis and massive transfer of wealth to the GOP donor class. The tragedy of American working and middle class whites is that demagogues have always been able to use social issues as a distraction while fleecing the rubes. Nothing has changed since Mark Twain‘s day.

    If this were true then the left would have fixed immigration years ago rather than using immigration to fix the electorate.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    > the black homicide rate began to rise in 1962 after a long decline. Mostly, though, whites just move out of the way and blacks kill each other.

    This double entendre in Sailer’s Django review serves as a premature rebuttal to Peter Akuleyev’s fanciful thinking, supra. Ron Unz’ remark expands on the concept, with White Flight (to the deplorable suburbs) superseded by Move (the criminal underclass) To Opportunity (in stale, pale towns and suburbs). But I can only Reply to a single comment.

    , @Corvinus
    "If this were true then the left would have fixed immigration years ago rather than using immigration to fix the electorate."

    The reality is that the left AND the right have been accused of "fixing the electorate" by allowing "foreigners" into their voting ranks, especially in recent times, thus neither side has been been compelled to address this issue with viable solutions. Of course, if we look at our history, the Republicans and Democrats have always relied on newcomers to join their party.
  16. The odd thing about The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo is that the book got such attention. It’s really an amazingly poorly written thing, both in plot and style (and fetishes) like something a high schooler or middle schooler would come up with, except I suppose it’s long and possibly more perverted than what the usual school child is capable of. Yet it was translated and there were serious reviews among the international literati in all the right papers, and later on there was that movie. Astounding.

    Perhaps there was a latent need for anti-Nazi propaganda? A lull in the storm? Changing the title probably helped, perhaps the translation was a thing of beauty. And someone out there certainly slam dunked their marketing budget.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The odd thing about The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo is that the book got such attention. It’s really an amazingly poorly written thing,

    Right.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    It's Death Wish for progressives, isn't it?
    , @Desiderius

    something a high schooler or middle schooler would come up with
     
    Girls mature (much) earlier than boys. That's the personality they have the rest of their lives. See also the popularity of Harry Potter.
  17. Wild speculation: 2013 is the year Obama started his second term. It kind of cemented the loss of Old Heritage America. I wonder if deep down in places they won’t admit to having, liberals weren’t a bit freaked out by that loss.

    Liberals worked to murder Old America. How does a messed up teenager feel after murdering his parents? Maybe gleeful at first, but there could be a wave of anxiety that follows, perhaps a psychotic break.

  18. @Ron Unz
    Well, our national elites are heavily concentrated in DC, NYC, and LA, and for decades they'd been very worried about black crime personally impacting them, which probably made them cautious about cheering for black violence.

    But they'd been working very hard for many years to gradually push out the blacks, and by the 2010s this policy had largely succeeded, with crime rates having drastically fallen. Once dangerous blacks were no longer around so much in their own vicinity, they could more freely indulge their liberal tendencies to glorify them, partly to assuage their guilt in having driven them away. Hence their positions in the Trayvon Martin controversy and all the others that followed.

    I discussed this at the time in my big Race/Crime article:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/

    The progressives are just as crazy in the UK but black issues are very marginal here.

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @Andrew M
    Yes, it’s affecting the whole Anglosphere, not just the Democratic Party. Ireland has gone particularly crazy with progressive stuff, but it’s affecting Australia and the UK too. It’s hard to pinpoint 2013 as the exact year, but it’s certainly close.
    , @stillCARealist
    Yes but your country has a built-in layer of true believer communists always poised to leap into whatever trouble or potential leadership they can. it doesn't take much to expose how Bolshevik a fair portion of Britain would be if they could.

    For much of the American left, it really is racial resentment.
    , @fnn
    Probably good reason why black issues are kept "very marginal":
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_London#Race_and_crime

    In June 2010 The Sunday Telegraph, through a Freedom of Information Act request, obtained statistics on accusations of crime broken down by race from the Metropolitan Police Service.[n 1] The figures showed that the majority of males who were accused of violent crimes in 2009–10 were black. Of the recorded 18,091 such accusations against males, 54 percent accused of street crimes were black; for robbery, 59 percent; and for gun crimes, 67 percent. Between April 2005 and January 2006, figures from the Metropolitan Police Service showed that black people accounted for 46 percent of car-crime arrests generated by automatic number plate recognition cameras.[59]

    Street crimes include muggings, assault with intent to rob, and snatching property. Black males accounted for 29 percent of the male victims of gun crime and 24 percent of the male victims of knife crime. Similar statistics were recorded for females. On knife crime, 45 percent of suspected female perpetrators were black; for gun crime, 58 percent; and for robberies, 52 percent.
     
    , @TheJester
    In the United States in the early 20th Century, the word "progressive" was a cover for a Communist political movement that had the good sense not to lay all of its cards on the table at the same time. They created the illusion of "progress" (as they understood it) by taking one small step at a time toward their heavily camouflaged end game.

    The tactic was used by Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, and the like to front Barack Obama as a moderate politician that both Blacks and Whites could support ... until Obama could safely take off the wraps once he was secure in his second term.

    The Progressive Movement has not changed its tune or its tactics in the last hundred years. Succor the sheeple while camouflaged as a wolf in sheep's clothing. When the timing is right, discard the charade to attack and destroy the institutions they had sworn to defend.
    , @syonredux

    The progressives are just as crazy in the UK but black issues are very marginal here.
     
    You must not watch the BBC. Or read The Guardian....
  19. @Wilkey
    A more likely cause was simply the 2012 elections. Obama had been president for four years. He defeated Whitey McWhiterson, a good Anglo-Saxon Mormon boy, in his re-election bid. By 2012 it must have seemed like all of the pieces were coming together that would turn America into a post-European, post-Christian nation. And yet...something was still amiss. The economy was still running on all 1.5 cylinders. Young men and women who who were still in college when Obama was elected were entering a moribund job market with massive amounts of student debt, which continued for the next four years of his administration.

    Who to blame? Not Obama, but guys like Romney. In 2002 (coincidentally or not, the same year that Robbie Mook, the gay man who would become Hillary Clinton's campaign manager, would graduate from college) two major books were published that would shape Democratic thinking. The first was The Emerging Democratic Majority, a book which argued that the POC's and the fringes would soon become the majority. White people would become irrelevant. The second was Dick Florida's Rise of the Creative Class, which was frankly dismissive of the suburbs (and pretty much anyone who didn't live in cities), the middle class, and people in "non-creative" occupations (unless you were gay). I remember seeing Florida cited by no less than three Democratic campaigns shortly after its publication.

    Democrats have been telling themselves that (non-hipster, non-city dwelling) whites are evil and destined for the dustbin of history for a very long time. The election and re-election of a black dude to the Oval Office led them to believe that they were finally at the point where their contempt could be fully aired. Combine that success with the bitterness of the appallingly bad 2013 job market and you get the attitudes which emerged that year.

    All true and add to that all the things going badly overseas: the migrant crisis and waves of terror attacks in Europe, the failed Arab Spring, the Euromaidan project turning into Putin’s hole-in-one victory in Crimea, etc. This sort of stuff might not sink into the consciousness of a self-absorbed butterfly like Robbie Mook but it would change the mood of the people in the media. It’s hard to keep the Democratic base convinced they’re riding the wave of inevitable Progress when things seem to be going wonky all over the place.

  20. @Tyrion 2
    If this were true then the left would have fixed immigration years ago rather than using immigration to fix the electorate.

    > the black homicide rate began to rise in 1962 after a long decline. Mostly, though, whites just move out of the way and blacks kill each other.

    This double entendre in Sailer’s Django review serves as a premature rebuttal to Peter Akuleyev’s fanciful thinking, supra. Ron Unz’ remark expands on the concept, with White Flight (to the deplorable suburbs) superseded by Move (the criminal underclass) To Opportunity (in stale, pale towns and suburbs). But I can only Reply to a single comment.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "with White Flight (to the deplorable suburbs)"

    Most suburbs in blue states are just as equally Left Wing as the city limits.

    There is not a political dime's worth of difference between the suburb of Pasadena and the city limits of Los Angeles proper for example.
  21. From the files of Stuff Everyone But Probably Steve Forgot Happened, a black dude randomly stabbed two white teenagers outside a theater in Redondo Beach where Django Unchained was being shown:

    https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/12/teenagers-stabbed-south-bay-galleria-surgery.html

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Was there any follow-up reporting tying the perp to the movie? This article is weak sauce.
  22. I go with the theory that they thought with Obama’s re-election they had won permanent cultural/political control, so no need for the moderate veneer. The idea that demographics would decisively tip the scales for the Dems has been around for quite awhile and frankly in 2013 I thought they were probably right.

    In my social media, my highly educated white liberal friends are the ones with the most insane political views and spend most of their posts lecturing everyone about various bogeymen like white supremacy, the patriarchy, etc. etc. I have plenty of friends who are on the left, black, white, whatever who you can have a civil discussion with, but the whites in the most elite social/economic positions with liberal views are far and away the most strident…and I think it’s this group that felt most empowered by Obama’s re-election.

    • Agree: Anonym, Desiderius
    • Replies: @Barnard
    Right, they switched to a mindset of any opposition to them being immoral around this time too. Obama's "right side of history" argument did more than any movie to nudge them in this direction. If you view history as an unending march towards progressivism, you want to get as far as you can as quickly as possible.
    , @anonymous
    Hey Arclight,

    Why not have some fun with these idiot politics Liberal elites - play the Muslim angle in works for me.

    Just suggest that many Muslim immigrant friends you have are complaining about the these Liberals' behavior and say the liberal (women) are insulting Muslim immigrant culture by showing their faces in public and speaking (stupid politics) in public.

    Personally present them with burkas and demand that they "Submit".

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2015/03/19/maybe-we-arent-that-different/
    , @Anonym
    I think a combination of your comment and candid_observer's mention of the religious impulse.

    So you had high SES goodwhite women mostly bringing about their religious utopia good and hard, once they thought they had the upper hand. women are the backbone of churches, and they adopted that role with PC and SJWism.

    The guy who wrote about Rowling, yes, that too and her influence as an SJW moralist is widespread. She kind of combined the effectiveness of worlds of Tolkien (fantasy) and Blyton (fantasy and stories about boarding schools) into an unholy propaganda force.

    Of course, elite Jews were pushing all this SJWism too. But on a local level, it was educated white women who were pushing it. If you attend a lecture at university, you don't get much questioning of the professor from women. I will sit there and go "what is this BS?", whereas most women just lap it up like it was a sermon. And you can see this in the only white demographic that went against Trump (just) - white women with college degrees.

    And just like Prohibition, it was a push for morality for its own sake, without strategy. They overplayed their hand, and midwifed the alt-right and Trump presidency into being. Pepe!

    They also failed to realize that mass immigration into white countries inevitably brings about a white racial consciousness.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    " the whites in the most elite social/economic positions with liberal views are far and away the most strident…"

    For which, see the privately educated daughter of a Symantec bigwig, who arrived at a UK university and was elected union president, saw a big mural of a white guy being given a degree by other white guys, and wrote on the union president's Twitter account 'Mark my words - we're taking down the mural of white men in the uni Senate room, even if I have to paint over it myself.'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6315595/Fury-student-union-president-vows-tear-white-men-WWI-mural.html

    The mural shows one of the thousands of undergrads who never came back from WWI being presented with a degree.
  23. We were into the fifth year of the Obama presidency, which started with Tonton-Macoute-like ACORN mobs standing on the lawns of white executives, and aside from Obamaphones and SNAP cards, there was no sign of actual reparations in sight. Django merely reflected the growing racial division that Aministration was seeking to stoke so they could push the reparations agenda harder.

  24. @Wilkey
    A more likely cause was simply the 2012 elections. Obama had been president for four years. He defeated Whitey McWhiterson, a good Anglo-Saxon Mormon boy, in his re-election bid. By 2012 it must have seemed like all of the pieces were coming together that would turn America into a post-European, post-Christian nation. And yet...something was still amiss. The economy was still running on all 1.5 cylinders. Young men and women who who were still in college when Obama was elected were entering a moribund job market with massive amounts of student debt, which continued for the next four years of his administration.

    Who to blame? Not Obama, but guys like Romney. In 2002 (coincidentally or not, the same year that Robbie Mook, the gay man who would become Hillary Clinton's campaign manager, would graduate from college) two major books were published that would shape Democratic thinking. The first was The Emerging Democratic Majority, a book which argued that the POC's and the fringes would soon become the majority. White people would become irrelevant. The second was Dick Florida's Rise of the Creative Class, which was frankly dismissive of the suburbs (and pretty much anyone who didn't live in cities), the middle class, and people in "non-creative" occupations (unless you were gay). I remember seeing Florida cited by no less than three Democratic campaigns shortly after its publication.

    Democrats have been telling themselves that (non-hipster, non-city dwelling) whites are evil and destined for the dustbin of history for a very long time. The election and re-election of a black dude to the Oval Office led them to believe that they were finally at the point where their contempt could be fully aired. Combine that success with the bitterness of the appallingly bad 2013 job market and you get the attitudes which emerged that year.

    “Combine that success with the bitterness of the appallingly bad 2013 job market and you get the attitudes which emerged that year.”

    So the 2013 bad job market was blamed on White Republicans and not Barack Hussein Obama? Was Obama just an empty suit in 2013?

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Obama has been just an empty suit his entire life.
    , @Patrick in SC

    So the 2013 bad job market was blamed on White Republicans and not Barack Hussein Obama? Was Obama just an empty suit in 2013?
     
    By this point, the media simply did not criticize The Great Black Hope. He was off limits to MSM criticism and by extension low information, apolitical "normies."

    Kids fresh out of college just figured not being able to get a job was normal, so they just drifted into bar tending and barista work without putting any blame on Obama.

    Amongst older folks not employed in the Educational-Industrial-Medical Complex outside of college towns and big urban areas, there was broad discontent, but these people don't count and really don't exist to the MSM.
    , @Russ
    "Was Obama just an empty suit in 2013?"

    He was still blaming Bush for the economy in 2013. Granted, Bush deserved ample blame for sleeping at the wheel in 2007-08. But to blame his predecessor for almost all of his two terms and then turn around and claim success for his successor's success (after mocking his successor all of Fall 2016) tells me that the suit was empty from the get-go.
  25. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Why Did Democrats Go Nuts in 2013?

     

    It could be as simple as Obama getting elected to his second term. Lefties and grievance groups who were keen to ramp up identity politics likely saw his reelection as confirmation that the bad old ‘patriarchal’ White America was surrendering to a demographic—and thus political—new order, so they hit the accelerator.

    My thoughts exactly. The “hands up, don’t shoot” lie, endless talk about bathrooms, BLM antics (funny, we don’t hear much about them lately), police being picked off like sitting ducks, Bruce Jenner in an evening gown on national TV, as though it were perfectly normal…it was (and is) a insane feedback loop that has become more intense with each cycle.

  26. @ic1000
    > the black homicide rate began to rise in 1962 after a long decline. Mostly, though, whites just move out of the way and blacks kill each other.

    This double entendre in Sailer’s Django review serves as a premature rebuttal to Peter Akuleyev’s fanciful thinking, supra. Ron Unz’ remark expands on the concept, with White Flight (to the deplorable suburbs) superseded by Move (the criminal underclass) To Opportunity (in stale, pale towns and suburbs). But I can only Reply to a single comment.

    “with White Flight (to the deplorable suburbs)”

    Most suburbs in blue states are just as equally Left Wing as the city limits.

    There is not a political dime’s worth of difference between the suburb of Pasadena and the city limits of Los Angeles proper for example.

    • Agree: ic1000, donut
    • Replies: @ic1000
    > Most suburbs in blue states are just as equally Left Wing as the city limits.

    Understandably, virtue signaling is quite attractive when it does not entail any personal costs or risks.

    In the short run, at least.
  27. Limiting the shift of 2013 to only the Left is unfair. Starting in 2013, there was a huge shift on the Right as well.

    IMHO focusing on the individual, or an individual cause is mistaken, there has been a huge (if unseen) shift in the Zeitgeist.

    However, the re-election of Barack Obama marks the culmination of the liberal apocalypse in many ways, as Obama was clearly the Messiah, as prophesized on West Wing, yet the world still sucked.

    Likewise, given liberal ideology’s insistence that all forms of inequality are the monocausal result of structural white racism, it is therefore impossible for a Black man to be elected to the Office of President, and impossible for a Black man to be Attorney General, etc.

    The empirical refutation of liberal ideology (paradoxically through its triumph) could only result in a doubling down on ideology, which results in cognitive dissonance as well as psychological distress. It takes a toll on a person to deny the obvious and insist on a contradiction of the given.

    The liberals labored endlessly to bring about the Second Coming and the Kingdom of Heaven, and then when it arrived, and it sucked, how could they do other than to continue the cargo cult with more zeal and more anti-depressants?

    At the same time, the Schmittian Beast of Politics has finally come unchained, and the idea of government as a project of technocratic management of interchangeable cogs/persons is increasingly absurd.

  28. @Dave Pinsen
    Noah Smith’s post on Django is probably worth reading for a lefty/Goodwhite perspective: http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2013/02/django.html?m=1

    Excerpt:

    The supposedly mighty Southern warriors are no match for Schultz's superior Prussian gunnery. I see this as Tarantino giving a big fat middle finger to Southern pretensions of military manhood; one diminutive middle-aged German dude makes them look like amateurs. King Schultz, you see, is the Real Real White Guy, and one such man is worth a thousand of the slavers who tried to usurp the mantle of the white race.

    It almost seems as if Schultz' character came to the South just to serve this notice.

    And here's the amazing part; it really, really worked. The theater where I saw Django was packed mostly with working-class-type white folks, more men than women. Exactly the kind of people who might have felt an affinity with the South in the last three decades. And every time Schultz gunned down another white Southern slaver, these people laughed and whooped and cheered. No moral equivalence was in evidence. There was no dismay at the easy defeat of Southern manhood.

     

    I wouldn’t describe (((Noah Smith))) as a “goodwhite.”

  29. In late-Late Obama Age collapse you have Jon Stewart leaving [ending] the Daily Show in 2015. The people who attempted to fill in his position of authority across the networks were more radical and far less funny.

  30. Of course the irony, or the elephant in the room, is that the meltdown started during Obama’s second term. If anything, wouldn’t having a black president in the White House have helped improve racial relations and not made them worse? Isn’t that how Obama was originally sold to the electorate in 2008, that he would help heal the racial divide? Instead as soon as he gets re-elected the opposite occurs.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    Barack Hussein Obama still pulled out the "I'm Oppressed By Institutional Racism" card even when he was the most powerful person on earth from January 2009 until January 2017. So that is why he did not help improve race relations. How the hell can you still play the I'm oppressed card when you have access to the nation's nuclear codes.
    , @Anonymous
    Yes, and that's exactly what nasty "racists" predicted in 2008: that having one of their own in the White House would embolden rather than dampen black bad behavior.
  31. Were Django Unchained and Inglourious Basterds flops? Did anyone actually go to see them? I kind of thought that Tarantino had given up on his 1970s LA noir themed movies and tried to branch out, unsuccessfully, into what used to be called ‘race movies’, Black themed and Jewish themed. He even did a cowboy theme movie that sounded good which I did see.

    https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=djangounchained.htm

    Django Unchained Domestic Total Gross: $162,805,434 Production Budget: $100 million Worldwide: $425,368,238

    Inglourious Basterds

    https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=inglouriousbasterds.htm

    Domestic Total Gross: $120,540,719 Production Budget: $70 million Worldwide: $321,455,689

    Compare with:
    Pulp Fiction
    Domestic: $107,928,762 Worldwide: $213,928,762 Production Budget: $8 million, Criticize Weinstein all you want, that kind of return on investment changes you.

    Black Panther: Worldwide $1,346,912,828, production budget undiclosed.

    Production Budget is not audited so the numbers might be bogus for all movies.

    Remember the Gross first has to compensate theater owners and distributors. There are more middle men worldwide, if I understand it right. Back in the day the rule of thumb is an American movie had to have a domestic box office of twice the production budget to start making money.

    Why isn’t Tarantino is making movies anymore. Short answer, nobody is watching them and starry eyed investors are no longer financing his $100m budgets. Spike Lee figured this out and is doing ‘smaller’ movies.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Why isn’t Tarantino is making movies anymore.
     
    He's currently making a movie about Hollywood (plus Charles Manson) in 1969:


    Once Upon a Time in Hollywood


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Once_Upon_a_Time_in_Hollywood
  32. O/T Why don’t Manny Machado’s braids draw the same ire as Jeremy Lin’s?

  33. I think DU was meant to demythify southern white manhood. This is a good thing. I saw it in the south and the white girls seemed to have an epiphany. Afterwards they seemed to realize that southern white boys were wimpy. I’ve noticed an uptick in love for Men of Color.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    May I suggest the moniker 'Greg Goose'?
  34. Lots of factors. As has been pointed out: they felt they no longer needed to pretend to be reasonable and compassionate. And as some have pointed out, the OWS movement circa 2011 scared the plutocrats into funding and promoting race and sex obsessed SJWs who don’t give a rat’s ass about economic issues.

    • Replies: @notanon

    the OWS movement circa 2011 scared the plutocrats into funding and promoting race and sex
     
    this is probably an important aspect - one of the big changes of the last ten years or so has been the adoption of identity politics by big business to deflect attention away from economics and the timing - banking crash 2008 - fits nicely.
    , @Henry's Cat
    Wasn't Steve going on about this only recently?
    , @unpc downunder
    On a related note, the term "political correctness" first came into common use following the 1987 share market crash and the early 90s recession. SJW activity does seem to spike when the excesses of financial elites come under criticism by economic leftists and populists. Early 90s SJW activity was also followed by a number of neoliberal economic reforms like NAFTA.
  35. I remember thinking about this in ‘real time’, I thought a lot of the propaganda (media coverage of Trayvon, Ferguson riots, etc)
    was aimed at getting the democrat base to vote in the 2014 midterm elections.

    • Agree: TTSSYF
  36. Anonymous[402] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lurker
    Anti-white hate/non-white resentment has been stoked for years. Film, books, TV, comics. Maybe 2013 was just the crossing of a threshold?

    Not seen DU and won't, certainly not if I have to pay.

    The end has a fun scene where Django uses his horse like he was doing a motorcycle tyre burnout to impress his just liberated girlfriend. That and blowing away the white sister with a Colt, which has the effect of ripping her body out of the scene as if she had been yanked away by a rope. ARF!

    Otherwise it is basically a Pulp/Nazi revenge fantasy movie with switched roles where you can cheer as degenerate un-aryan corpses accumulate.

    And Tarantino knows that.

    • Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    This Tarantino-made fake German propaganda film "Stolz der Nation" contains a number of errors; I wonder how many of them were deliberate. At 0:04, "Ministerium fuer Volksaufklaerung Und Propaganda" has an erroneous uppercase "Und", and is printed in a font that is easy to read for modern Anglos, not in true Frakturschrift (e.g., compare the lowercase "a" and "s"); see

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraktur_(Schrift)#/media/File:Lesehilfe_Fraktur.svg

    And in the StarWars-like introductory text, why is the surname of DR. JOSEPH GOEBBLES misspelled? Among the names in the credits, there are probably a lot of inside jokes.
  37. A lot of political pundits on television have moved even further to The Left after Donald Trump became POTUS.

    Juan Williams and Kirsten Powers for example used to be moderate Lefties when Obama and Bush Jr. were president. But since Donald Trump became president Kirsten Powers and Juan Williams have embraced Far Leftism. Donald Trump killed Moderate Leftism.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    Donald Trump killed Moderate Leftism.
     
    More like annexed it, or is trying to.

    If he is successful the Democratic Party as we know it will have to change substantially or die.
  38. Check what was in the movie theaters in the summer of 1939 in Germany. We may find what pushed Hitler to war.

  39. the anti-white hysteria is driven by the media so “Django” would be part of that general pattern but not the cause imo

    what made the media ramp up their anti-white hysteria – and was it in 2012 or was it 2008 with a time lag to produce the new content?

    1) it could have been that with Obama’s election the media thought they’d won and so started their victory dance too early

    or

    2) when you have an ethnic coalition against one group then it starts to break up after the target population are turned into a minority with the various components of the coalition competing with each other over the carcass – now that hasn’t happened yet at a national level but it has happened in California and New York which is where the media is based.

    (in particular in both LA and New York the media have colluded in the ethnic cleansing of the black population so they needed to point the finger and screech to distract attention from that)

    so i think the media’s daily incitement to anti-white violence is a function of the media trying to hold their coalition together.

  40. Why Did Democrats Go Nuts in 2013? How About “Django Unchained”?

    Unchain my heart from these wacko answers as to why the Democrat Party went wacko with its anti-White Obama-era rhetorical holocaust.

    Holocaust is a good word used by Scottish bald guy in a 1940 movie with that female Scottish dope who used to have a place in Connecticut on the water.

    Why did the Democrat Party go nuts in 2013?

    The short answer is that they went nuts in the 1960s or before.

    The long answer is that the Democrat Party decided in 2011 to implicitly abandon WHITES WITHOUT COLLEGE DEGREES(WWCDs).

    Edsall uses the word explicitly, but the guy who has made decent dollars for decades upon decades with the English language should have used the word implicitly.

    Perhaps Edsall meant that the rhetorical moves the Democrats were making would make it obvious that they were going after the votes of White Women With College Degrees and non-Whites and abandoning Whites Without College Degrees after 2011.

    Trump was also attacked by Obama at a White House corporate propaganda whore dinner in 2011, and Trumpy, being a decent businessman, figured he’d run in an upcoming presidential race by picking up all the voters that the Democrat Party and the Republican Party had abandoned.

    I didn’t vote for McCain, Romney nor Obama and I voted for Trump in the 2016 New Hampshire presidential primary and for president.

    I am angry as Hell just thinking about somebody bringing up that crappy anti-White movie D-Jango.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    "Holocaust is a good word used by Scottish bald guy in a 1940 movie with that female Scottish dope who used to have a place in Connecticut on the water."

    I like this. But "holocausts" is in Barry's script for the play, Stewart kept it in when he wrote the screenplay.

    And Hepburn was no dope, she was dumb like a fox. I think her greatest talent was her ability to command the loyalty of smart, accomplished men who supported, guided and assisted her in her career. The list includes her father, husband, John Ford, Leland Hayward and Howard Hughes. Notably it does not include the one man to whom she gave her unwavering loyalty and devotion: Spencer Tracy.

    "I am angry as Hell just thinking about somebody bringing up that crappy anti-White movie D-Jango."

    Yes, but it's just a symptom of a greater malaise and revenge is a dish best served cold.
    , @Yawrate
    You make an interesting point that white folks who went to college were properly indoctrinated while whites that went into trades, services, or the military do not have the "indoctrination" pedigree.

    Abandon those that don't think like you!
  41. Maybe Tarantino was the first big guy to hit the wave of “They won’t riot here, so cheer’em on” mentality of hard-core leftists?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2yc2r8
  42. @Peter Akuleyev
    vidence keeps accumulating that the liberal half of America took a sudden swerve into political extremism and psychological problems around 2013.

    No, the real story is that as it became more and more obvious that a black liberal was turning out to be a popular and potentially successful President, powerful groups with vested economic and social interests in the status quo decided to undermine the left and Obama in particular at every opportunity. To be sure, there are plenty of idiots and America haters on the left, but then, there always have been. The left in 2013 was far less insane and anti-American than the left in the 1970s, or the 1930s. But a lot of very peripheral racial and sexually tinged nonsense was elevated by pundits and politicians, Steve included, into major drama to make it impossible for Obama to get credit for economic growth, torpedo what would have been a very successful health care reform, and ensure that no one on Wall Street ever pays for the general lawlessnes and corruption that led to the 2008 crisis.

    Trump is a master at this. The „caravan“ is an incredibly marginal event. But Trump needs to keep the electorate distracted from his corruption, tax dodging, failure to address the opiate crisis and massive transfer of wealth to the GOP donor class. The tragedy of American working and middle class whites is that demagogues have always been able to use social issues as a distraction while fleecing the rubes. Nothing has changed since Mark Twain‘s day.

    to make it impossible for Obama to get credit for economic growth … (snip) … and ensure that no one on Wall Street ever pays for the general lawlessnes and corruption that led to the 2008 crisis.

    there was no economic growth

    Clinton’s deregulation of the banks created a credit bubble from c. 1998 till it crashed and burned in 2008 – and like all credit bubbles it was an illusion that leaves everyone poorer than when it started

    (apart from the bankers who end much richer)

    failure to address the opiate crisis

    the media covered up the opiode crisis for 20 years cos the media are owned by the people who were making billions from off-shoring (which is what triggered the opiode crisis in the resulting rust-belt)

    if any single institution was responsible for the c. 500,000 excess deaths it would be “The Economist.”

  43. But who cares about a quarter of a million murdered black people?

    Yeah, because the problem with encouraging black people to rape, assault, and murder whites is that it is bad for blacks.

    Everything is downstream from immigration. The Democrats have gone crazy because they think, accurately, that the racist bloc voting of the colonial occupiers they, with the help of crooked Republicans, brought into this land will put them into semi-permanent power. They don’t have to pretend to be decent in order to mollify the white “Silent Majority.” And since the new population they’ve imported have come here to live as parasites off of white people it’s only natural that the Democrats give their constituency what it wants (they’re not Republicans, after all). White hate as the central cultural and political theme of this evil empire is here to stay.

    • Agree: Trevor H.
  44. “Evidence keeps accumulating that the liberal half of America took a sudden swerve into political extremism and psychological problems around 2013.”

    You mean you keep propping up a false premise for your fan bois and fan girlz. Remember, you had said “Warning: don’t take any single psychological finding as Gospel” when it came to Jonathan Haidt and Greg Lukianoff in their book citing a research study in relation to “America seems to be going through a nervous breakdown”. Apparently, you conveniently forgot your caveat and are now tripling down, even linking to two of your own posts as “evidence”.

    Speaking of psychological research, I am sure that the fine readers here realize…

    how conservatives are less likely to compromise and tend to view the world as a more threatening place because their brains predispose them to being fearful.

    https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(11)00289-2

    -and-

    how conservatives are significantly more likely to be swayed by politicians’ alarmist claims.

    http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0956797617692108

    Perhaps these two studies offer insight as to why since 2012 there has been a conservative mental health breakdown in the American political scene, with a link to the meteoric rise of the Alt Right and its own peddling of victimization.

    Again, everyone, it’s just Sailer’s third rule of journalism in action–Always quickly follow up an initial post with another post to ensure the lede from the first post is further buried and to solidify a premise that will be used as Alt Right fodder.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    Corvinus wrote:

    Speaking of psychological research, I am sure that the fine readers here realize…

    how conservatives are less likely to compromise and tend to view the world as a more threatening place because their brains predispose them to being fearful.
     
    But, Corvy, you know some history, right? Isn't the world in fact a pretty "threatening place" when viewed in historical perspective?

    Indeed, almost every human who has ever lived has ended up dead, and I hear it is just a matter of time for those of us who are around currently. The fact that humans have gone to a lot of trouble to deny this obvious fact (e.g., with organized religions) is pretty telling, don't you think?

    I'm not being facetious here. As the old song says,

    The game of life is hard to play
    Gonna lose it anyway
    The losin' card I'll someday lay...
     
    I'm not a particularly depressed person myself, but I have wondered if maybe only depressed people are truly sane!
    , @TTSSYF
    Just about every academic department in just about every major university or college in the U.S., excluding the hard sciences, is infected with Leftism and has been for decades. Thus, I'm not surprised that psychological research indicates that conservatives are more genetically predisposed to be fearful and swayed by alarmists' claims than liberals are, as liberals are, of course, on the right side of history and all that is good. Never mind how easily Lefties become hysterical over the "settled science" of anthropogenic global warming (they took a vote, don't you know, and it's now settled), or how, despite every cell in a person's body screaming "XY" or "XX", gender is fluid and whatever the person says it is on a given day and you'd better not dare say otherwise...or how they had a complete melt-down over the election of Trump and went freaking nuts over the nomination Kavanaugh. Never mind, also, how they have severe cognitive dissonance regarding their tenets of Leftism that are fully at odds with those of Islam.

    I saw this years ago, when I was in college and took several courses in English and the humanities. I recognized, even at a young age, that I never wanted to work around Lefties and therefore majored in a hard science and have surrounded myself with high IQ scientists and engineers. Yes, some are major-league asses, and some are on the political Left, but none of the Left's pathologies (nor the Right's) come up in my day-to-day work. I read and comment on all this stuff just for fun.

    , @ben tillman

    how conservatives . . . tend to view the world as a more threatening place because their brains predispose them to being fearful.

    https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(11)00289-2

    -and-

    how conservatives are significantly more likely to be swayed by politicians’ alarmist claims.

    http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0956797617692108
     
    The empirical evidence disproves your conjecture.
  45. There was a print interview around the time Kill Bill was released in 2003 when Tarantino was asked about 9-11. He said in the months after it he’d screen a movie for friends that happened to feature a building-destruction scene that really resembled that of the WTC. He’d then enjoy the look on his friends’ horrified faces. So yes, Tarantino is depraved.

    How bad is the shaky cam in First Man? Is it Dunkirk-level bad?

  46. @Tyrion 2
    If this were true then the left would have fixed immigration years ago rather than using immigration to fix the electorate.

    “If this were true then the left would have fixed immigration years ago rather than using immigration to fix the electorate.”

    The reality is that the left AND the right have been accused of “fixing the electorate” by allowing “foreigners” into their voting ranks, especially in recent times, thus neither side has been been compelled to address this issue with viable solutions. Of course, if we look at our history, the Republicans and Democrats have always relied on newcomers to join their party.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    Statistically that is nonsene. Asolute nonsense.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Your claim the right has been accused of letting in foreigners is meritless and unsubstantiated.

    Typical Corvinus - But hey, you and Paleo Liberal will affirm it - because after the blood of 100 million are on your hands, there is no need for merit or substance.
  47. @Ron Unz
    Well, our national elites are heavily concentrated in DC, NYC, and LA, and for decades they'd been very worried about black crime personally impacting them, which probably made them cautious about cheering for black violence.

    But they'd been working very hard for many years to gradually push out the blacks, and by the 2010s this policy had largely succeeded, with crime rates having drastically fallen. Once dangerous blacks were no longer around so much in their own vicinity, they could more freely indulge their liberal tendencies to glorify them, partly to assuage their guilt in having driven them away. Hence their positions in the Trayvon Martin controversy and all the others that followed.

    I discussed this at the time in my big Race/Crime article:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/

    Oh, no, it wasn’t the Blacks. It was central banking that drove the ruling class rats nuts.

    Central banking is where the the ruling class is most vulnerable, not their coddling of Black criminality and Black wanton violence and Black disruption of schools and other institutions.

    The WASP/JEW ruling class don’t give a pile of horseshit about Blacks. The WASP/JEW ruling class is kept in power by electronic money(monetary extremism) and electronic propaganda.

    Don’t forget the Pritzkers out in Chicago, Mr Unz. I think the Pritzkers and other real estate and financial interests have been sloughing off their Blacks on other states and cities to make their Chicago property more valuable.

    National “elites”?

    That’s too nice a word. Elites as a word has no delightful triggering effect on regular Whites. “Ruling class” as a phrase gets White people thinking about who these people are and how can we remove them from power or rule.

    • Agree: Kylie
  48. Anon[357] • Disclaimer says:

    For generations now, American media have been encouraging blacks to take violent retribution.

    “Retribution”? For what? No group has benefited more from the trans-Atlantic slave trade than today’s American blacks. The same could be said of the African “race” as a whole.

    How’s Tarantino’s macho minstrel show working out for black males, anyway?

    According to a 1967 government report sponsored by the Surgeon General, the black homicide rate began to rise in 1962 after a long decline. Mostly, though, whites just move out of the way and blacks kill each other.

    How are Hollywood’s anti-White hate propaganda and macho minstrel show working out for White makes? Around 85% of interracial black-white violent crime is black on white.

    But who cares about murdered White men and women anyway?

  49. @Dave Pinsen
    Noah Smith’s post on Django is probably worth reading for a lefty/Goodwhite perspective: http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2013/02/django.html?m=1

    Excerpt:

    The supposedly mighty Southern warriors are no match for Schultz's superior Prussian gunnery. I see this as Tarantino giving a big fat middle finger to Southern pretensions of military manhood; one diminutive middle-aged German dude makes them look like amateurs. King Schultz, you see, is the Real Real White Guy, and one such man is worth a thousand of the slavers who tried to usurp the mantle of the white race.

    It almost seems as if Schultz' character came to the South just to serve this notice.

    And here's the amazing part; it really, really worked. The theater where I saw Django was packed mostly with working-class-type white folks, more men than women. Exactly the kind of people who might have felt an affinity with the South in the last three decades. And every time Schultz gunned down another white Southern slaver, these people laughed and whooped and cheered. No moral equivalence was in evidence. There was no dismay at the easy defeat of Southern manhood.

     

    Nothing good about that foolishly naive white. Making America 1862 again.

    His namesake had a flood to wipe out all the genetic competition; Smith relies on the old standby of stirring up trouble Cirith Ungol style.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Nothing good about that foolishly naive white.
     
    Noah Smith is Jewish.
    , @Roderick Spode

    Smith relies on the old standby of stirring up trouble Cirith Ungol style.
     
    ?
  50. The polarization of the American left has FAR deeper roots than Django Unchained. It has started with the college culture of spreading of Critical Theory and Critical Race Theory.

    CT and CRT are postmodern “deconstructions” of society and law according to the program of “strong objectivity”, i.e. rejecting ACTUAL objectivity in favor of “lived experiences” and narratives, all based on the idea of “standpoint theory”, i.e. the idea that oppression gives you a special kind of knowledge that is not accessible to the Oppressors. The memes of “white privilege” or “microaggression” or “rape culture” have originated in CT/CRT.

    “Intersectionality” is another postmodern project that became dominant in American universities. The theory of intersectionality is that there’s a hierarchy of oppression that comes from being “marginalized” by the fact of not being part of the majority, and the idea that oppression can be fought through “minoritarian awareness”, which today is talked about is terms of “wokeness”.

    Basically, leaving aside all the postmodern jargon and obfuscation, CRT and intersectionality are based on the idea that a) ALL differences in income, job opportunities, incarceration rates, etc. between social groups are ONLY due to bigotry (racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, etc. etc.), either explicit or implicit B) white male are the Oppressors, everyone else is the Oppressed, although those who are more distant from whiteness and maleness are more oppressed C) all data or arguments that conflict with your narrative of oppression are simply falsehoods created by white supremacy; D) becoming “aware” of falsehoods and of the oppression, and forcing anyone who disagrees out of power, are what will finally create the Truly Egalitarian future and E) an explicit focus on race, gender, sexuality and reparations/”positive discrimination” are the way to create the egalitarian changes, and all “race/gender/sexuality-neutral” positions are only white male supremacy (“the Patriarchy”) in disguise.

    These ideas are the core of movements like #MeToo, Black Lives Matter, and all the other “woke” madness that have now become mainstream in the American left.

    The catalysts for the spreading of the “woke” narrative have been: A) the failure of “identity-netural” leftist movements like Occupy Wall Street in bringing forth the Scandinavian social democratic paradise that was the mainstream position of the “identity-neutral” left and B) Barack Obama’s second term, when he, unlike previous leftist leaders, instead of having a “Sister Souljah” moment instead gave legitimacy to CRT and intersectionality by supporting explicit postmodern identity political movements like Black Lives Matter.

    Pop culture is a mirror of deeper cultural and social changes. Django Unchained came after decades of pop culture and leftist media excusing and exalting violence if it’s done against Oppression, after decades of feminist and postmodernist re-interpretations of society, law, science, and everything else, all according to identity and power.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    Your theory seems very solid, It was evident to me when he was elected that Obama was a "true believer" unlike Bill Clinton, who would always put pragmatism ahead of ideology, unlike Hilary and her predecessor. Obama putting Holder in charge of the Justice Department was an early indicator of what he thought, not to mention the tenaciousness with which he stuck with him long after after most Presidents would have abandoned an Attorney General who was so obviously a loose cannon.
    , @Kylie
    So well said, thanks.
    , @Lagertha
    excellent analysis. I was trying to put my thoughts together of similar views as yours, and the only difference (or what I could add) is that I first started noticing the movement against white people in my children's curriculum in primary school! I already saw covert messages that they were sooo privileged and that things have not been fair for "others." Mind you, I am an immigrant from a majority white country, so it really freaked me out - children being indoctrinated that they represent an evil, oppressive group.

    In HS, through AP classes, they were able to get away from the brainwashing of forced multiculturalism and an acceptance that diversity will be accepted by them. The burden of the white man was almost, comically blended into their books in social studies or English.

    And, another point: I really resent the fetishism of Democrats about the Scandinavian system. They have no idea that all people are taxed! Every single person pays income tax, and all your assets, savings, homes, boats, cars, motorcycles, tractors, vehicles of any kind, recreational or work, are taxed. It is not unusual that a person making the equivalent of $200K a year, would be taxed at 60%. Millionaires have retired to Portugal, Spain, Florida, Costa Rica, Monaco by the droves....since they are often taxed at 70-80% in their homeland.

    And, what Americans don't realize: Doctors and surgeons have half the salary, or even a quarter that American ones do. A retired pediatrics doctor (head of a hospital - no private hospitals in Scandinavia!) made 200K at the end of his career! So, there is no escape for elites if they want a Scandinavian system - people who earn the most, get taxed the most - even their traffic tickets are fined according to their income.

    Lastly, the system can not support illegal or massive amounts of immigrants - there have been a lot of cuts to the social services of indigenous Swedes, Finns, and Danes (last 2 years) to support thousands of people who have refused to integrate; and absolutely, collect welfare & child benefits for multiple children (African women were going on ferries across back & forth - Sweden & Finland - to collect benefits in both countries!. This is why nationalism is growing in Italy & northern Europe. This is why Catalan wants to break off of Spain. There is absolutely no logical or ethical argument by liberals to be made to force the Scandinavian countries to accept hundreds of thousands of people (mostly men, btw) from MENA. There is no benefit for the Nordic people. And, the violence and anarchy is just growing...just look at the knifings in UK...and acid throwing.

  51. @Tyrion 2
    The progressives are just as crazy in the UK but black issues are very marginal here.

    Yes, it’s affecting the whole Anglosphere, not just the Democratic Party. Ireland has gone particularly crazy with progressive stuff, but it’s affecting Australia and the UK too. It’s hard to pinpoint 2013 as the exact year, but it’s certainly close.

  52. I believe leftist extremism is a result of peak social media, especially Twitter, Tumblr, and Instagram.

    These platforms radicalize the young, especially young women, and should’ve been regulated long ago.

    • Replies: @sabril
    Yes, I think Leftism is better understood as a process than an ideology. Leftists compete with eachother for social status by posing as advocates for the (alleged) downtrodden. Social media has greatly intensified social status competition among just the sort of people who are going crazy.
  53. @Dave Pinsen
    Noah Smith’s post on Django is probably worth reading for a lefty/Goodwhite perspective: http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2013/02/django.html?m=1

    Excerpt:

    The supposedly mighty Southern warriors are no match for Schultz's superior Prussian gunnery. I see this as Tarantino giving a big fat middle finger to Southern pretensions of military manhood; one diminutive middle-aged German dude makes them look like amateurs. King Schultz, you see, is the Real Real White Guy, and one such man is worth a thousand of the slavers who tried to usurp the mantle of the white race.

    It almost seems as if Schultz' character came to the South just to serve this notice.

    And here's the amazing part; it really, really worked. The theater where I saw Django was packed mostly with working-class-type white folks, more men than women. Exactly the kind of people who might have felt an affinity with the South in the last three decades. And every time Schultz gunned down another white Southern slaver, these people laughed and whooped and cheered. No moral equivalence was in evidence. There was no dismay at the easy defeat of Southern manhood.

     

    is it (((Noah Smith))) by chance?

    • Replies: @Lot
    Of course. Also a weebo.
  54. I’ve argued before that there seems to be something inherent to Identity Politics that is some kind of socio-politico-emotional Attractor, drawing people in with surprising power.

    Religion is like that. It’s hard to understand just what it is about religion that pulls in so many people. Scott Atran tries to capture the various components in human beings that might account for that appeal, but it seems to be a mishmash of many things. This may likewise be true of Identity Politics, and indeed Identity Politics may engage many of the same vectors.

    The self-hating white thing today strikes me as akin to the Flagellants:

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06089c.htm

    In any case, if Identity Politics does have this sort of inherent drawing power, probably any number of events can kick it off, if otherwise circumstances are ripe.

    Tarantino may well have been among the first to push us over the top. For Tarentino,, as always, nothing succeeds like excess.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    The self-hating white thing
     
    They don’t hate themselves. They hate us. White-hating statements are expressions of deracination. To them whiteness is a social construct of which they’re freeing themselves.

    They also serve as a cloak for class, like a perp on the run getting lost in a large crowd.

    https://quillette.com/2018/08/29/unpacking-peggy-mcintoshs-knapsack/
    , @Intelligent Dasein

    The self-hating white thing today strikes me as akin to the Flagellants:
     
    And with that, the list of cartoonishly inapposite analogies gains another entrant.

    Where do you see the slightest evidence that any of these virtue signalling Leftist bobos have undertaken any degree of personal mortification and penance in order to expiate the sin of racism? On the contrary, virtue signalling is a delight for them. It is refined intellectual vanity and sadist enjoyment. Since racism is defined as uniquely evil, anybody who goes crusading against this scourge arrogates to himself the right to torture, kill, and destroy with impunity, which most people find rather pleasurable. Movies like Django Unchained are exactly what they desire to see and do and feel. This is the very opposite of the penitential attitude.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    It’s hard to understand just what it is about religion that pulls in so many people.
     
    It's pretty simple. Irreligion has no survival value. Look at Europe.

    Only the good have young.
    , @PhysicistDave
    candid_observer wrote:

    I’ve argued before that there seems to be something inherent to Identity Politics that is some kind of socio-politico-emotional Attractor, drawing people in with surprising power.
     
    Individual human beings are kind of weak and puny; human life is insecure. If you feel part of something bigger than yourself, you feel better, even if it does not do you any concrete good.

    And, if there are some clever political entrepreneurs out there, they may even give you a few freebies if you participate in their Identity Politics, though they are likely to skim off most of the benefits for themselves.

    candid_observer also wrote:

    Religion is like that. It’s hard to understand just what it is about religion that pulls in so many people.
     
    Same thing, but combined with the fear of death. Takes a rather hard-nosed, stubborn rationalism to resist it all. Most people are not that stubbornly rational.

    Before modern liberal ideology, the weakness of human beings seemed pretty obvious to almost everyone, even among rationalists, (e.g., Edward Gibbon or Hume). I've always wondered how most intellectuals today ignore these obvious facts about human beings.
  55. Django was an awesome movie, set in the past. It triggered a lot of right-wing white people, but not left wingers.

    Left wingers were triggered by Trayvon Martin and Ferguson and Obama and Holder’s remarks about them.

    Left wingers were also triggered by the rise of Stormfront online, which was right-wingers triggered by the fact there was a black president.

    In general, this country couldn’t handle a black president. Tarantino had nothing to do with it.

    • Troll: L Woods, IHTG
    • Replies: @anon

    In general, this country couldn’t handle a black president.
     
    more likely the other way around
    , @Redneck farmer
    Biracial president, great-great-grandpa.
    And as Dennis Miller said,"I'm disappointed in his white half".
    , @Lurker
    Stormfront - lol!

    Did you only just graduate from JIDF training camp?
    , @Yodeller

    In general, this country couldn’t handle a black president.
     
    This country has never had a black president to "handle." Obama is mulatto, raised by his well-to-do white grandparents in Hawaii. He is not black. He’s a mulatto Hawaiian with a half-assed inauthentic southern accent. I, and many, many other Americans believe this to be self-evident. We generally don’t speak up to contradict you because it’s too much of a hassle. We just don’t bother.

    Read it again: he’s not black, and furthermore, you won’t see a black president in your lifetime. America, and especially American Black's aren’t ready for that, and there’s no telling when they will be.

    For you to try to bamboozle others with your racially motivated chicanery only provides for a cheap, tragicomic sideshow for those who know better than to let you redraw racial lines for your advantage.

    Just knock it off. It’s cheap, hack, desperate, and antintellecual. The best way for you to extinguish negative stereotypes is not to be one. Stop with the silliness.
  56. Speaking of minstrel shows, here’s Jimmy Kimmel in blackface. Hope he doesn’t get Megyn-ed:

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Speaking of minstrel shows, here’s Jimmy Kimmel in blackface. Hope he doesn’t get Megyn-ed:"

    It's okay to do blackface if you bash Donald Trump every night like Jimmy Kimmel does. His politics is the reason why he has job security for life at ABC and will NEVER be fired for his blackface past.
  57. anon[332] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    vidence keeps accumulating that the liberal half of America took a sudden swerve into political extremism and psychological problems around 2013.

    No, the real story is that as it became more and more obvious that a black liberal was turning out to be a popular and potentially successful President, powerful groups with vested economic and social interests in the status quo decided to undermine the left and Obama in particular at every opportunity. To be sure, there are plenty of idiots and America haters on the left, but then, there always have been. The left in 2013 was far less insane and anti-American than the left in the 1970s, or the 1930s. But a lot of very peripheral racial and sexually tinged nonsense was elevated by pundits and politicians, Steve included, into major drama to make it impossible for Obama to get credit for economic growth, torpedo what would have been a very successful health care reform, and ensure that no one on Wall Street ever pays for the general lawlessnes and corruption that led to the 2008 crisis.

    Trump is a master at this. The „caravan“ is an incredibly marginal event. But Trump needs to keep the electorate distracted from his corruption, tax dodging, failure to address the opiate crisis and massive transfer of wealth to the GOP donor class. The tragedy of American working and middle class whites is that demagogues have always been able to use social issues as a distraction while fleecing the rubes. Nothing has changed since Mark Twain‘s day.

    Trump is a master at this. The „caravan“ is an incredibly marginal event. But Trump needs to keep the electorate distracted from his corruption, tax dodging, failure to address the opiate crisis and massive transfer of wealth to the GOP donor class.

    did you give up on his Russian collusion already?

  58. @Desiderius
    Nothing good about that foolishly naive white. Making America 1862 again.

    His namesake had a flood to wipe out all the genetic competition; Smith relies on the old standby of stirring up trouble Cirith Ungol style.

    Nothing good about that foolishly naive white.

    Noah Smith is Jewish.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    I was responding to the commenter that called him a goodwhite.

    BTW, better get your tracks covered - not a good time to be an out anti-Semite.
  59. anon[133] • Disclaimer says:

    This seems outlandish, but a similar theory has been proposed about Braveheart impacting support for Scottish independence. I don’t know if there’s any good evidence for it. Wikipedia doesn’t have a definitive answer, but the numbers suggest “not really”. Meanwhile, some woman wrote a book that apparently says “yes”.

    I suppose it isn’t that strange an idea. Some movies really do have a big cultural impact: JFK, Schindler’s List. Were people more or less reverential towards soldiers after Saving Private Ryan came out? Etc.

    But, apart from perhaps needing to meet a minimum quality threshold, it seems like there’s very little filmmakers can do to affect a film’s chances of blowing up like that. Some things hit very big, and some don’t, and who can say why? Very hard to predict.

  60. @candid_observer
    I've argued before that there seems to be something inherent to Identity Politics that is some kind of socio-politico-emotional Attractor, drawing people in with surprising power.

    Religion is like that. It's hard to understand just what it is about religion that pulls in so many people. Scott Atran tries to capture the various components in human beings that might account for that appeal, but it seems to be a mishmash of many things. This may likewise be true of Identity Politics, and indeed Identity Politics may engage many of the same vectors.

    The self-hating white thing today strikes me as akin to the Flagellants:

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06089c.htm

    In any case, if Identity Politics does have this sort of inherent drawing power, probably any number of events can kick it off, if otherwise circumstances are ripe.

    Tarantino may well have been among the first to push us over the top. For Tarentino,, as always, nothing succeeds like excess.

    The self-hating white thing

    They don’t hate themselves. They hate us. White-hating statements are expressions of deracination. To them whiteness is a social construct of which they’re freeing themselves.

    They also serve as a cloak for class, like a perp on the run getting lost in a large crowd.

    https://quillette.com/2018/08/29/unpacking-peggy-mcintoshs-knapsack/

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "To them whiteness is a social construct"

    To The Left, Whiteness is also a political construct. If Central Americans tended to vote Republican than the caravan of "refugees" headed to The U.S would all be referred to as White colonizers who do not respect The U.S's borders & rule of law and all of a sudden The Left would be worried about voter fraud and being invaded by unwanted foreigners who undermine our democracy.
  61. The anti-white agenda has been in full swing since WWII, ushered in by Boas, Freud, Adorno, Horkheimer, Marcuse, etc.etc.etc.
    Hollywood provides the memes for the (((intellectual elite)))
    Long before “Django,” “To Kill A Mockingbird,” and “Deliverance” made it okay to hate white people, not to mention the thousands of war movies depicting the German people as evil personified.
    You can go back and look at old TV series like “Gunsmoke” and find anti-white/anti-Christian themes.
    Once you are alert to what is going on, you can see the anti-white agenda going way back in time.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Once you are alert to what is going on, you can see the anti-white agenda going way back in time.
     
    For instance, the "tolerance" meme was gratuitously inserted into “Knute Rockne, All-American” (1940). Rockne appeared before Congress and preached about the virtue of “tolerance”, apropos of nothing.
  62. @Ron Unz
    Well, our national elites are heavily concentrated in DC, NYC, and LA, and for decades they'd been very worried about black crime personally impacting them, which probably made them cautious about cheering for black violence.

    But they'd been working very hard for many years to gradually push out the blacks, and by the 2010s this policy had largely succeeded, with crime rates having drastically fallen. Once dangerous blacks were no longer around so much in their own vicinity, they could more freely indulge their liberal tendencies to glorify them, partly to assuage their guilt in having driven them away. Hence their positions in the Trayvon Martin controversy and all the others that followed.

    I discussed this at the time in my big Race/Crime article:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/

    In Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail ’72, Hunter Thompson observed that Capitol Hill staff had to run to their cars in the car parks to dodge (black) robbers from neighborhoods abutting Congress. He thought it explained a lot of Washington political attitudes.

  63. OFF TOPIC

    Bear Markets Are Part Of The Business Cycle

    The “Great Moderation” Was A Smash-And-Grab Con Job From the WASP/JEW Ruling Class Of The American Empire

    It Is Fun And Exciting When Bears Run Right At You

    The Pewitt Plan to raise the federal funds rate to 20 percent will open the door for the bear to come running at the greedy stock market shysters.

    If you don’t laugh at this, you ain’t got no sense of humour:

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    You don't own or work for a company that makes things, do you?
  64. The alt-right, screwing over Donald Trump since November 2016:

    https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/1056202451513208832/

    “Screw your optics, I’m going in.”

    • Replies: @Roderick Spode
    Yes, it's bad.
  65. @Desiderius

    The self-hating white thing
     
    They don’t hate themselves. They hate us. White-hating statements are expressions of deracination. To them whiteness is a social construct of which they’re freeing themselves.

    They also serve as a cloak for class, like a perp on the run getting lost in a large crowd.

    https://quillette.com/2018/08/29/unpacking-peggy-mcintoshs-knapsack/

    “To them whiteness is a social construct”

    To The Left, Whiteness is also a political construct. If Central Americans tended to vote Republican than the caravan of “refugees” headed to The U.S would all be referred to as White colonizers who do not respect The U.S’s borders & rule of law and all of a sudden The Left would be worried about voter fraud and being invaded by unwanted foreigners who undermine our democracy.

  66. @donut
    You believe this shit ?

    https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2018/10/26/20-years-after-death-Matthew-Shepards-ashes-interred-at-National-Cathedral/1091540564104/?ls=2

    If Matthew Shepards had been murdered by Gay hating Muslims his death would have gone down the mainstream media rabbit hole and nobody would have ever known who the hell he was.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    He wasn’t even killed by gay-hating rednecks. He was killed by a fellow gay prostitute, lover and fellow crystal meth dealer. It was a brutal robbery/murder for a shipment of meth, but not a hate crime.

    Btw, the bishop presiding over that, Gene Robinson, ran a pony farm, sleepover camp for girls (my sister attended) back in the ‘70s and ‘80s with his wife, a fat woman named Boo.

    He later came out, went to divinity school and became the first gay episcopal bishop. Or, as another Bishop once told me, the first openly gay Bishop.

    There’s not one mention in any coverage I’ve seen that the narrative isn’t true, although it’s pretty well-documented now.
  67. The left went nuts because Obama told them to.

  68. @Lurker
    Anti-white hate/non-white resentment has been stoked for years. Film, books, TV, comics. Maybe 2013 was just the crossing of a threshold?

    Not seen DU and won't, certainly not if I have to pay.

    Anti-white hate/non-white resentment has been stoked for years.

    Agree. We had the “60s and a slow roll of media celebration over the years, such as the Roots miniseries.

  69. I just had an interesting experience for the second time this week: women coming to my door asking if my wife is home and if I’d give her some literature about the D candidate.

    As if they’d already written me off. Or maybe I’m Jamielle Bouie and my wife is the dog, which is strange since in Ohio it’s customary to be friendly and neighborly with people coming to your door since they often do turn out to be your neighbors. I’m no exception.

    • Replies: @Paco Wové
    Had that exact same experience about 2 weeks ago (in Iowa, though).
    , @L Woods
    I hope you told them to fuck off in the most derisory tone possible.
    , @Mr. Anon

    I just had an interesting experience for the second time this week: women coming to my door asking if my wife is home and if I’d give her some literature about the D candidate.
     
    Interesting. Very interesting.

    You should have told the canvasser: "She can't come to the door right now. She's doing her chores. And, anyway, I tell her whom to vote for.
    , @notanon
    that's a very interesting sign of the times - i'm guessing their internal polling is showing white women starting to slip off the plantation so they're desperate to push them back in
    , @res
    Interesting. I wonder how fine grained they are being with that? Is it possible they are targeting couples where the wife is registered D and the husband R? The keeping white women on the Democratic plantation explanation seems sensible.
  70. The elites (sic) got radicalized on campus in the early 2000s because the SJWs were right about Iraq and gained undue credibility therefrom.

    • Agree: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    Yes. George W. Bush and the neo-conservatives did a lot of work ruining the brand.
    , @Lucas McCrudy
    You could say the same thing about the Vietnam war in the 1960s. The New Left used young people's fears (rightly) about being sent off to that war to recruit and radicalize them and tell them it was really all the social and political views and attitudes (not just re: Vietnam war) of their parents and grandparents generations that needed to be jettisoned for a newer, better society to emerge.
  71. @Arclight
    I go with the theory that they thought with Obama's re-election they had won permanent cultural/political control, so no need for the moderate veneer. The idea that demographics would decisively tip the scales for the Dems has been around for quite awhile and frankly in 2013 I thought they were probably right.

    In my social media, my highly educated white liberal friends are the ones with the most insane political views and spend most of their posts lecturing everyone about various bogeymen like white supremacy, the patriarchy, etc. etc. I have plenty of friends who are on the left, black, white, whatever who you can have a civil discussion with, but the whites in the most elite social/economic positions with liberal views are far and away the most strident...and I think it's this group that felt most empowered by Obama's re-election.

    Right, they switched to a mindset of any opposition to them being immoral around this time too. Obama’s “right side of history” argument did more than any movie to nudge them in this direction. If you view history as an unending march towards progressivism, you want to get as far as you can as quickly as possible.

  72. he identifies with Goebbels, with Harvey Weinstein as his Hitler

    He identifies with Europeans in general, who he views as the apotheosis of humankind — witty, urbane, multilingual, even (or maybe especially) when they’re getting all genocidal. As is their wont.

  73. “I’ve felt … that Tarantino is not a good man.”

    Judging by his body of work, I would agree. He revels in pain and sadistic violence.

    ” … nobody can deny that Tarantino is a talented man.”

    Judging by his body of work, I would disagree. Except for Jackie Brown (1997), which was based on an Elmore Leonard novel, all of his movies have been about movies. Tarantino is more of a pop culture phenom than a storyteller.

  74. Steve I found it interesting that his good guy in the anti slavery movie was a German aka the ultimate bad guy trope of the Nazi or European terrorist.

    What’s your take on the fact the good guy is as Tarantino put it “a n—er loving German”….

    • Replies: @Anon

    What’s your take on the fact the good guy is as Tarantino put it “a n—er loving German”….
     
    Glee over fratricide? Schadenfreude?
    , @notanon
    i assumed he was meant to be Jewish as a nod to blazing saddles?
  75. it’s clear from Inglourious Basterds that he identifies with Goebbels

    In an interview after Django’s release, Tarantino said that the Rebel Flag was equivalent to the swastika. Like most leftists these days, he’s gleefully ignorant of actual history.

  76. Quentin Tarantino: composer of pretentious high-gloss trash. Late adolescent blend of long periods occupied by smirking at ordinary people and society; punctuated by sudden extreme violence.

    I always imagined Tarantino as being just like that Florida bombing suspect. Definitely a male homosexual body builder/leather freak. The only real crime is being a wimp-

  77. @Peter Akuleyev
    vidence keeps accumulating that the liberal half of America took a sudden swerve into political extremism and psychological problems around 2013.

    No, the real story is that as it became more and more obvious that a black liberal was turning out to be a popular and potentially successful President, powerful groups with vested economic and social interests in the status quo decided to undermine the left and Obama in particular at every opportunity. To be sure, there are plenty of idiots and America haters on the left, but then, there always have been. The left in 2013 was far less insane and anti-American than the left in the 1970s, or the 1930s. But a lot of very peripheral racial and sexually tinged nonsense was elevated by pundits and politicians, Steve included, into major drama to make it impossible for Obama to get credit for economic growth, torpedo what would have been a very successful health care reform, and ensure that no one on Wall Street ever pays for the general lawlessnes and corruption that led to the 2008 crisis.

    Trump is a master at this. The „caravan“ is an incredibly marginal event. But Trump needs to keep the electorate distracted from his corruption, tax dodging, failure to address the opiate crisis and massive transfer of wealth to the GOP donor class. The tragedy of American working and middle class whites is that demagogues have always been able to use social issues as a distraction while fleecing the rubes. Nothing has changed since Mark Twain‘s day.

    Obamacare? Successful? It was only successful at impoverishing the middle class and would have failed just as miserably without Republican opposition. (And yes, I’m aware that cuck-publican Mitt Romney invented that scam.)

  78. @Tyrion 2
    The progressives are just as crazy in the UK but black issues are very marginal here.

    Yes but your country has a built-in layer of true believer communists always poised to leap into whatever trouble or potential leadership they can. it doesn’t take much to expose how Bolshevik a fair portion of Britain would be if they could.

    For much of the American left, it really is racial resentment.

    • Replies: @notanon
    SJWs in the UK used to be all about black issues but it shifted to muslim issues as their numbers increased
  79. anon[335] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s difficult to know how much of this is simply elite control of public opinion and our culture. The elites have been robbing and wrecking the country for decades, and with the 2008 crash they were looking for new strategies to divert the public. Identity Politics is the circus they are providing for that purpose. 2013 is just the time when the program started getting in to full gear.
    It’s a grand bargain with the Left. Let Wall Street and the military do whatever they want and in return the Left gets Identity Politics. Since the Left is barred from the two really important political issues, guns and butter, they pour all their energy into saving whales and hating whites.

  80. @Peter Akuleyev
    vidence keeps accumulating that the liberal half of America took a sudden swerve into political extremism and psychological problems around 2013.

    No, the real story is that as it became more and more obvious that a black liberal was turning out to be a popular and potentially successful President, powerful groups with vested economic and social interests in the status quo decided to undermine the left and Obama in particular at every opportunity. To be sure, there are plenty of idiots and America haters on the left, but then, there always have been. The left in 2013 was far less insane and anti-American than the left in the 1970s, or the 1930s. But a lot of very peripheral racial and sexually tinged nonsense was elevated by pundits and politicians, Steve included, into major drama to make it impossible for Obama to get credit for economic growth, torpedo what would have been a very successful health care reform, and ensure that no one on Wall Street ever pays for the general lawlessnes and corruption that led to the 2008 crisis.

    Trump is a master at this. The „caravan“ is an incredibly marginal event. But Trump needs to keep the electorate distracted from his corruption, tax dodging, failure to address the opiate crisis and massive transfer of wealth to the GOP donor class. The tragedy of American working and middle class whites is that demagogues have always been able to use social issues as a distraction while fleecing the rubes. Nothing has changed since Mark Twain‘s day.

    Generally agree with your comments Peter except for the fact Obamacare aka Romneycar aka a mandate system was doomed to failure.

    Socialized medicine works….you just cannot do what the Dems currently want to do: which is to let in every single swinging sick foreigner and their families to piggyback the system until it is in bankruptcy. If it were only whites and blacks using it then a public option would be viable….just look at Canada or Denmark or Australia…..

  81. @Tyrion 2
    The progressives are just as crazy in the UK but black issues are very marginal here.

    Probably good reason why black issues are kept “very marginal”:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_London#Race_and_crime

    In June 2010 The Sunday Telegraph, through a Freedom of Information Act request, obtained statistics on accusations of crime broken down by race from the Metropolitan Police Service.[n 1] The figures showed that the majority of males who were accused of violent crimes in 2009–10 were black. Of the recorded 18,091 such accusations against males, 54 percent accused of street crimes were black; for robbery, 59 percent; and for gun crimes, 67 percent. Between April 2005 and January 2006, figures from the Metropolitan Police Service showed that black people accounted for 46 percent of car-crime arrests generated by automatic number plate recognition cameras.[59]

    Street crimes include muggings, assault with intent to rob, and snatching property. Black males accounted for 29 percent of the male victims of gun crime and 24 percent of the male victims of knife crime. Similar statistics were recorded for females. On knife crime, 45 percent of suspected female perpetrators were black; for gun crime, 58 percent; and for robberies, 52 percent.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    What percentage of the population is black?
    , @Forbes
    What's the proportion of Blacks in the Greater London population?

    According to Wiki, in 2011 Blacks were 13.4% of the population. So Black crime in London is roughly comparable to Black crime in the US, i.e. ~13% of the population responsible for about one-half the crimes.
  82. OT:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6323781/Active-shooter-Pittsburgh-synagogue.html

    Thank heavens it’s a “white man.” The “MAGA-bomber” was a real disappointment.

    In addition, commenters are already blaming everything on Trump, despite his daughter’s family and his moving the embassy to Jerusalem. I’m not a passionate admirer of Trump, but it’s astonishing how lefties manage to blame him from every possible direction, no matter what he does.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    He has been identified as Robert Bowers and screen shots of his Gab account are being posted. The guy is so far out there, if a movie created a character like this they be criticized for making him too cartoonish. The push will be for another gun grab and crack down on social media accounts that can be accused on anti-Semitism.
    , @International Jew
    The shooter's name is Robert Bowers and here's a summary of his postings on social media:
    https://heavy.com/news/2018/10/robert-bowers-social-media-rob-gab/

    Sounds like a lot of the people on unz.com.
    , @Palerider1861
    You know you have TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) when you blame most bad events that occur, including horrific criminal acts, severe weather anomalies, and most of all...the shortcomings in your own miserable life...to President Donald J Trump!
  83. Thanks again for “noticing” and conciously articulating what has obviously been a trend for quite some time.

    With the fashion for filming anti-White blood libel, Hollywood producers have long been pandering to racial resentment & blood lust for prestige, profit & fun, perhaps accelerated by public pressure demanding more Black faces in cinema such as in the #OscarsSoWhite campaign.

    This crusade to stoke anti-White hate probably reached an apogee with 2016’s Birth of a Nation.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-birth-of-a-nation/

  84. White hate and justified black retribution was also the theme in Tarantino’s next film “The Hateful Eight”. In that one the moral lesson is that a black man should not just kill whites but torture them to death. Tarantino is the kind of hate filled racist monster that he attributes to his grotesque white characters.

    It is particularly offensive because it is so untrue. Slavery was an institution that was virtually universal in all advanced nations from the Neolithic Revolution to the Industrial Revolution. That may be considered a sad fact but it is a fact. Hunter gatherers don’t keep slaves. Nations with agriculture do until they were replaced by a John Deere tractor. So large scale chattel slavery existed on this planet for about eight thousand years.

    The conditions of slaves varied a lot. Rome was a large scale slave culture and it had really terrible conditions for some slaves like those on a latifundae or in a mine. For the Roman expansion period most slaves were the booty if war. Caesar enslaved more than a million Gauls and got rich selling them. The slaves from the Jewish Wars were worked to death. A common practice in many places and at many times.

    Slavery could be very cruel. But many people with poor economic prospects in their particular profession sold themselves into slavery. Slavery for a few was a good career choice in ancient Rome.

    Where did the slavery in the American South stand in its treatment of slaves. Plantation slaves in America particularly the mid nineteenth century slaves on cotton plantations were probably the most humanely treated slaves anywhere in history. The truth was exactly the opposite of what is shown in Tarantino’s films.

    Remember when Africa was discovered by the outside world in the fifteenth century slaves left Africa on two routes – the hull of a slave ship to the New World or they were walked across the Sahara to the Muslim Middle East. Being on a slave ship was no pleasure trip but it had a better survival than the passage across the desert.

    When the slaves who went to the Muslims arrived they were castrated. This immediately killed many more of them. Those that survived of course did not reproduce.

    Those who went to the sugar plantations on the Caribbean or Brazil had a short bitter life. They were worked to death and quickly replaced. But those lucky enough to be taken to America had the best outcomes.

    Read “Time on the Cross” by Fogel an account of slave conditions on the big plantations in the American South. Fogel won a Nobel Prize for his work and he was married to a black woman. He was not a simple racist. He was an economist and a scholar. The big cotton plantations had their black slave workforce in stable families in separate houses. They had hospitals, churches, and schools. There was virtually no violence against the slaves. Thousands of slaves would be supervised by a handful of unarmed whites. The slave were organized into work teams. They worked hard and they ate better than most whites at the time. They ate meat and vegetables. It was highly regimented
    but it was not pointlessly cruel. It was a rational economic and social structure that was efficient and humane. Some Northern whites feared that slavery on these big cotton plantations was so efficient that it would spread into other industries and into the West and North.

    White people handled slavery better than any other culture. We should be proud of our history as slavery.

    • Disagree: Allan
    • Replies: @anonymous
    Yes, All true.

    But it doesn't matter.

    White Western societies will never tolerate slavery in any place they are in or around. Abe Lincoln had the sensible opinion that he didn't want to be either

    A Slave
    or
    A Slave owner

    Lincoln wanted to free negro slaves and colonize them someplace out of North America because he knew from personal experience that Black Negros could never live for long in peace with White European Americans.

    Libertarian fantasies about free markets, open borders are just theses - fantasies as impossible as John Lennon's "Imagine" or anything some Marxist Communist would dream up about a faceless world of worker utopians.
    , @Anonymous

    Being on a slave ship was no pleasure trip but it had a better survival than the passage across the desert.
     
    The transported slaves also had better survival rates than the white crew members.

    Another point, or question: Did the slaves live better and longer in the colonies/United States than they would have if they'd remained in Africa either as slaves or as free?
    , @Almost Missouri

    "Slavery was an institution that was virtually universal in all advanced nations from the Neolithic Revolution to the Industrial Revolution. ... Hunter gatherers don’t keep slaves."
     
    AFAIK, all societies practiced slavery whenever they could until the recent spread of Wilberforceianism. Hunter gatherers kept slaves too, even if their society was too sparse to have formalized castes, and without written language there's not much written record for us to debate about now.

    E.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_among_Native_Americans_in_the_United_States#Traditions_of_Native_American_slavery

    Also, the Arab/Muslim world has been importing African slaves since long before the fifteenth century, although the castration practice you refer to mutes the slaves' genetic legacy.
    , @syonredux

    White hate and justified black retribution was also the theme in Tarantino’s next film “The Hateful Eight”. In that one the moral lesson is that a black man should not just kill whites but torture them to death. Tarantino is the kind of hate filled racist monster that he attributes to his grotesque white characters.
     
    You can also see The Hateful Eight as prescient on the anti-Becky issue. Jennifer Jason Leigh's bigoted Southern White woman is constantly being smacked around in the film, usually right after saying the N-Word. And the movie ends with her being lynched by a salt-and-pepper team:



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_azKfm4k9o


    Implicit message: For racial harmony to reign between Blacks and Whites, the White woman must be exterminated?
    , @L Woods
    Yes, but American slavery was the worst bc white “racism.” What makes white racism the worst? The legacy of slavery of course.
    , @Corvinus
    And yet another fool who moralizes slavery.

    "Plantation slaves in America particularly the mid nineteenth century slaves on cotton plantations were probably the most humanely treated slaves anywhere in history...But those lucky enough to be taken to America had the best outcomes."

    Slavery is inhumane. Period. Ripping people from their homeland, putting them in chains, and forcing them to do brute labor is not "humane", no matter how you slice it. The "best outcome" was for whites to have picked their own damn cotton, not invaded and invited the world, and let the "darkies" live their own lives.

    "Slavery could be very cruel...There was virtually no violence against the slaves. Thousands of slaves would be supervised by a handful of unarmed whites. "

    No, slavery was exceptionally cruel. Of course there was violence against slaves.

    https://mises.org/library/brutality-slavery

    "How the Negro slaves were treated may be gauged by the diary of the aforementioned William Byrd II, who felt himself to be a kindly master and often inveighed against 'brutes who mistreat their slaves.' Typical examples of this kindly treatment were entered in his diary:

    2-8-09: Jenny and Eugene were whipped.
    5-13-09: Mrs. Byrd whips the nurse.
    6-10-09: Eugene (a child) was whipped for running away and had the bit put on him.
    11-30-09: Jenny and Eugene were whipped.
    12-16-09: Eugene was whipped for doing nothing yesterday.
    4-17-10: Byrd helped to investigate slaves tried for “High Treason”; two were hanged.
    7-1-10: The Negro woman ran away again with the bit in her mouth.
    7-15-10: My wife, against my will, caused little Jenny to be burned with a hot iron.
    8-22-10: I had a severe quarrel with little Jenny and beat her too much for which I was sorry."

    "But many people with poor economic prospects in their particular profession sold themselves into slavery. Slavery for a few was a good career choice in ancient Rome."

    A WILLING choice, compared to the brand of slavery found in the Americas.

    "White people handled slavery better than any other culture. We should be proud of our history as slavery."

    Since you seem to be ambivalent to slavery, why don't you sell your wife and/or kids into slavery and see what kind of life they lead? You can then prove to everyone that "white people" handle slavery "better".

    Idiot.
    , @Fun

    White people handled slavery better than any other culture. We should be proud of our history as slavery.
     
    That's like proudly stating you beat your wife the least.
  85. This is OT but today we’ve had what appears to be a prog fantasy of a typical alt-righter commit an atrocious act, https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2018/10/27/heavy-police-presence-near-synagogue-in-squirrel-hill/. This follows on the heels of what the MSM refer to as the MAGA bomber mailings.

    It’s clear that these terrorist acts, occurring just before the November election, are going to bring out the Democrat vote just when that vote is critical. No sane opponent of progressive policies, no matter how radical, would have considered such actions. Even an insane one would have at least considered that the timing was atrociously bad.

  86. @Rosamond Vincy
    OT:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6323781/Active-shooter-Pittsburgh-synagogue.html

    Thank heavens it's a "white man." The "MAGA-bomber" was a real disappointment.

    In addition, commenters are already blaming everything on Trump, despite his daughter's family and his moving the embassy to Jerusalem. I'm not a passionate admirer of Trump, but it's astonishing how lefties manage to blame him from every possible direction, no matter what he does.

    He has been identified as Robert Bowers and screen shots of his Gab account are being posted. The guy is so far out there, if a movie created a character like this they be criticized for making him too cartoonish. The push will be for another gun grab and crack down on social media accounts that can be accused on anti-Semitism.

  87. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:

    “D’Jango Unchained” crossed a serious line for me.

    I noted that this revenge, anti White Southern hate porn movie was mass released on Christmas Day. Those associated with the film

    Directed by Quentin Tarantino, produced by Harvey Weinstein Company, the actor Jamie Fox – these were are/ just bad evil people that hate White Americans and want to see them tortured, killed, replaced or just constantly insulted, humiliated etc.

    Mass releasing this Hate White People porn movie on Christmas day is the same as mass releasing a modern version of the Eternal Jew on some major Jewish holiday.

    I met with theater managers in Chicago opening this terrible, hateful film on Christmas Day and voiced my strong opposition to this – I tried to get others in my church to do the same, simply meet with theater managers but they were too cowardly which is sadly the case with most American Cuckservantives, Conservative Inc, Christian Zionists etc.

    Yes, Quentin Tarantino was/is talented and when guided by other talented but less evil men like Director Tony Scott (British American White Gentile) the result can be excellent:

    “True Romance”.

    But, my advice is to have a zero tolerance for such evil hate, kill White people Hollywood types like Quentin Tarantino and Harvey Weinstein.

    The New York Police Department NYPD let it be known that they would not allow Quentin Tarrantino to march in New York City with BlackLivesMatter protesters.

    I recommend we do what the ADL would/does do to strongly anti Jewish movies – don’t allow them in your life.

    The enemies of our people don’t believe in “Free Speech” for us and that includes everything from Praeger University, to Confederate History supporters, to Milo Y and Gavin McInnes – just two very funny comedians who oppose things like Islamic extremists throwing gay people off of roofs.

    We dealing with bad evil people like Quentin Tarrantino, Harvey Weinstein or William Kristol that want to do genocide on our people. Stop being so nice stop being a coward or cuckservative – I hope people know the definition of a cuckservative.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    I agree. Kill Bill was my last Tarantino movie. It disgusted me, and I am sorry I saw Tarantino's other films. They are poison.
  88. @Desiderius
    I just had an interesting experience for the second time this week: women coming to my door asking if my wife is home and if I’d give her some literature about the D candidate.

    As if they’d already written me off. Or maybe I’m Jamielle Bouie and my wife is the dog, which is strange since in Ohio it’s customary to be friendly and neighborly with people coming to your door since they often do turn out to be your neighbors. I’m no exception.

    Had that exact same experience about 2 weeks ago (in Iowa, though).

  89. Anon[419] • Disclaimer says:

    The Red Guards, 1960s revolutionary China. Same thing happened there. How did mobs of students go on a rampage, destroying thousands of years of Chinese culture, including grave desecration? Answer: Mao’s media gave them positive coverage and refused to condemn their initial outbursts; Mao figured it was to his benefit to let yahoos attack his potential enemies. And as soon as those students believed they would go unpunished, that their actions would even be approved of, they went nuts – attacking all perceived heretics, in particular their class and educational superiors (jealousy). It’s something similar to what happens when a natural disaster strikes and the power goes out and the police forces dissolve. Before, everyone pretends to be a good person. After, people act out their innermost desires because they know there will be no consequences; they break into the expensive sneaker store and steal all the stuff they couldn’t afford to buy before, the stuff all their rich neighbors could and often did. I believe this is what happened to the democrats.

    2013 was the first year Obama assumed his second term in office. After stoking anti-white hate in the 2012 election and seeing that there were no consequences, and that it was even approved of by the elites and their media, the democrats started acting out their innermost desires; they thought that no white could win the white house again, so they wouldn’t be held responsible. All the movies they watched told them whitey was bad, and then the government confirmed their suspicions in 2014 when Obama’s Attorney General, Eric Holder, and his Department of Racial Payback began stoking racial hate in Ferguson. Since then, it’s been game on: endless get whitey stories.

    A representative example of what happened can be found with an outfit few here have watched or have heard of: the Young Turks. It’s a formerly popular YouTube “progressive news” channel that started out with legitimate complaints about president George W. Bush’s policies – his unpopular tax cuts, his Iraq War, his policy on Iran…. However, in 2014 they took what amounts to a bribe from a left wing billionaire and they shifted their “news” coverage to anti-white racism and, later, Trump derangement in response. Many of their current “news” stories have clear anti-white messages, even in the thumb nails (which are sure to show bad whites). In regards to Ferguson specifically, they put white cop Darren Wilson’s photo in some of their video thumbnails in order to make it clear that a white must be punished. They were also the same crowd that popularized that Starbucks incident. You know, the one where an obviously racist … er, SJW girl … obviously racially discriminated against non-paying customers by asking them to … stop stealing their WiFi and pay for it by buying something…, then asked them to leave when they refused to, then called the cops when they acted like fools, then said cops called backup when they continued to act afool and refused to peacefully leave, then arrested them when they caused a disturbance.They’ve escalated to attacking people who condemn terrorist mobs who desecrate confederate grave sites.

    Most of their “news” coverage these days is just “get whitey” and, like Mao’s media, it has aided and abetted terrorism as a consequence. They were always clandestinely racist, anti-white, and anti-Christian, but they hid it before. But after taking that huge sum of money, they were led to believe they were no longer accountable to market consequences, meaning they could go nuts and live out their innermost racial desires…and even be applauded for it by the Ruling Class.

    Other “news” outlets have seen their coverage and copied it. NBC, for example, is just a supped up version of the Daily Stormer / the Young Turks these days. Their most recent YouTube video was entitled “Watch: White Woman Blocks Black Man From Entering His Apartment”. The thumbnail of the video, seen by millions, was of a blonde white girl. The attempt at stoking racial hate is pretty obvious; it’s what they accused Bush of doing with Willie Horton back in the day. The Stormer – the neo-nazi outfit banned by Google for Charlottesville – has a similar section called “Race War”: black guy’s photo + some crime or racial insult.

    But the truth is, many democrats were always racist self-haters and anti-white in general. There just hadn’t been an opportunity for them to live out their innermost desires yet. You saw this in the old New Atheist community back in the 90s and 2000s. Hence, the plethora of videos mocking dumb religious people back when Bush was president. But in the new era of wokeness, the same community that lionized Richard Dawkins for mocking rural Christians for their dumb, yet inconsequential, beliefs later broke apart when elements of the community hypocritically tore Richard Dawkins apart when he turned his eye to Islam. Logically, you’d think it would be okay for this guy to say about Muslims what he said about Christians. Logically, yeah…but this ain’t about logic; it’s about attacking the perceived racial, ethnic, and religious enemies of the elite, so they tolerated it then. Now that similar arguments could be directed at their electoral power base, now that they have the opportunity to strut around, polishing their virtuosity, … now is it wrong.

    This will continue until conservatives and their libertarian fairweather friends drop their adherence to dogma and strike back in a meaningful way. That means state legislatures giving consumers the option to deplatform outlets like NBC when they do this kind of crap. On YouTube, I can block the Young Turks. But can I block NBC from getting a portion of my cable subscription fee?

    Most of the media coverage of the Trump Era has centered around the establishment attempting to shame whites back into the 2014 era when they were the targets of racial hate and didn’t respond in kind. Surprisingly, their efforts have been frustrated as more and more whites are making it clear (by refusing to give up) that they won’t do that under any circumstances. Even extreme actions of the establishment such as turning powerful neocons against whites, negative media coverage, banning dissenters like Alex Jones, deplatforming payment options for dissenters, mass doxxing, violence, and even using the police forces to attack them / aid and abet attacks on them by others, hasn’t done the trick. The real cause for concern is the following: what happens if the establishment continues not getting its way and Trump loses in 2020? Will we see a dramatic escalation from these people? Will we see a real Red Guard emerge?

  90. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pat Boyle
    White hate and justified black retribution was also the theme in Tarantino's next film "The Hateful Eight". In that one the moral lesson is that a black man should not just kill whites but torture them to death. Tarantino is the kind of hate filled racist monster that he attributes to his grotesque white characters.

    It is particularly offensive because it is so untrue. Slavery was an institution that was virtually universal in all advanced nations from the Neolithic Revolution to the Industrial Revolution. That may be considered a sad fact but it is a fact. Hunter gatherers don't keep slaves. Nations with agriculture do until they were replaced by a John Deere tractor. So large scale chattel slavery existed on this planet for about eight thousand years.

    The conditions of slaves varied a lot. Rome was a large scale slave culture and it had really terrible conditions for some slaves like those on a latifundae or in a mine. For the Roman expansion period most slaves were the booty if war. Caesar enslaved more than a million Gauls and got rich selling them. The slaves from the Jewish Wars were worked to death. A common practice in many places and at many times.

    Slavery could be very cruel. But many people with poor economic prospects in their particular profession sold themselves into slavery. Slavery for a few was a good career choice in ancient Rome.

    Where did the slavery in the American South stand in its treatment of slaves. Plantation slaves in America particularly the mid nineteenth century slaves on cotton plantations were probably the most humanely treated slaves anywhere in history. The truth was exactly the opposite of what is shown in Tarantino's films.

    Remember when Africa was discovered by the outside world in the fifteenth century slaves left Africa on two routes - the hull of a slave ship to the New World or they were walked across the Sahara to the Muslim Middle East. Being on a slave ship was no pleasure trip but it had a better survival than the passage across the desert.

    When the slaves who went to the Muslims arrived they were castrated. This immediately killed many more of them. Those that survived of course did not reproduce.

    Those who went to the sugar plantations on the Caribbean or Brazil had a short bitter life. They were worked to death and quickly replaced. But those lucky enough to be taken to America had the best outcomes.

    Read "Time on the Cross" by Fogel an account of slave conditions on the big plantations in the American South. Fogel won a Nobel Prize for his work and he was married to a black woman. He was not a simple racist. He was an economist and a scholar. The big cotton plantations had their black slave workforce in stable families in separate houses. They had hospitals, churches, and schools. There was virtually no violence against the slaves. Thousands of slaves would be supervised by a handful of unarmed whites. The slave were organized into work teams. They worked hard and they ate better than most whites at the time. They ate meat and vegetables. It was highly regimented
    but it was not pointlessly cruel. It was a rational economic and social structure that was efficient and humane. Some Northern whites feared that slavery on these big cotton plantations was so efficient that it would spread into other industries and into the West and North.

    White people handled slavery better than any other culture. We should be proud of our history as slavery.

    Yes, All true.

    But it doesn’t matter.

    White Western societies will never tolerate slavery in any place they are in or around. Abe Lincoln had the sensible opinion that he didn’t want to be either

    A Slave
    or
    A Slave owner

    Lincoln wanted to free negro slaves and colonize them someplace out of North America because he knew from personal experience that Black Negros could never live for long in peace with White European Americans.

    Libertarian fantasies about free markets, open borders are just theses – fantasies as impossible as John Lennon’s “Imagine” or anything some Marxist Communist would dream up about a faceless world of worker utopians.

  91. Right…

    How many nukes does Israel have?

  92. @Dave Pinsen
    Noah Smith’s post on Django is probably worth reading for a lefty/Goodwhite perspective: http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2013/02/django.html?m=1

    Excerpt:

    The supposedly mighty Southern warriors are no match for Schultz's superior Prussian gunnery. I see this as Tarantino giving a big fat middle finger to Southern pretensions of military manhood; one diminutive middle-aged German dude makes them look like amateurs. King Schultz, you see, is the Real Real White Guy, and one such man is worth a thousand of the slavers who tried to usurp the mantle of the white race.

    It almost seems as if Schultz' character came to the South just to serve this notice.

    And here's the amazing part; it really, really worked. The theater where I saw Django was packed mostly with working-class-type white folks, more men than women. Exactly the kind of people who might have felt an affinity with the South in the last three decades. And every time Schultz gunned down another white Southern slaver, these people laughed and whooped and cheered. No moral equivalence was in evidence. There was no dismay at the easy defeat of Southern manhood.

     

    That’s nice. Of course, the reality is that southern Americans have long dominated the nation’s military, including it’s most dedicated, decorated, and effective members; they had a remarkably disproportionate effect crushing “Prussian gunnery” in two global wars.

    So that comment (and the silly movie it praises) is kind of like other masturbatory fantasies which turn reality upside down: clever Negresses were the heart of the space programme (white men were, and no African nation has an aeronautics industry, nevermind a space programme).

    TL;DR: The guy is gushing about how righteous it is to finally see a fat, ugly guy getting all the chicks and putting to rest the illusion that muscular, handsome guys get them. Sure….

    • Replies: @donut
    " no African nation has an aeronautics industry, nevermind a space programme)."

    You're wrong :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4CGwSqrGq8
  93. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:
    @Arclight
    I go with the theory that they thought with Obama's re-election they had won permanent cultural/political control, so no need for the moderate veneer. The idea that demographics would decisively tip the scales for the Dems has been around for quite awhile and frankly in 2013 I thought they were probably right.

    In my social media, my highly educated white liberal friends are the ones with the most insane political views and spend most of their posts lecturing everyone about various bogeymen like white supremacy, the patriarchy, etc. etc. I have plenty of friends who are on the left, black, white, whatever who you can have a civil discussion with, but the whites in the most elite social/economic positions with liberal views are far and away the most strident...and I think it's this group that felt most empowered by Obama's re-election.

    Hey Arclight,

    Why not have some fun with these idiot politics Liberal elites – play the Muslim angle in works for me.

    Just suggest that many Muslim immigrant friends you have are complaining about the these Liberals’ behavior and say the liberal (women) are insulting Muslim immigrant culture by showing their faces in public and speaking (stupid politics) in public.

    Personally present them with burkas and demand that they “Submit”.

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2015/03/19/maybe-we-arent-that-different/

  94. Anonymous[130] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pat Boyle
    White hate and justified black retribution was also the theme in Tarantino's next film "The Hateful Eight". In that one the moral lesson is that a black man should not just kill whites but torture them to death. Tarantino is the kind of hate filled racist monster that he attributes to his grotesque white characters.

    It is particularly offensive because it is so untrue. Slavery was an institution that was virtually universal in all advanced nations from the Neolithic Revolution to the Industrial Revolution. That may be considered a sad fact but it is a fact. Hunter gatherers don't keep slaves. Nations with agriculture do until they were replaced by a John Deere tractor. So large scale chattel slavery existed on this planet for about eight thousand years.

    The conditions of slaves varied a lot. Rome was a large scale slave culture and it had really terrible conditions for some slaves like those on a latifundae or in a mine. For the Roman expansion period most slaves were the booty if war. Caesar enslaved more than a million Gauls and got rich selling them. The slaves from the Jewish Wars were worked to death. A common practice in many places and at many times.

    Slavery could be very cruel. But many people with poor economic prospects in their particular profession sold themselves into slavery. Slavery for a few was a good career choice in ancient Rome.

    Where did the slavery in the American South stand in its treatment of slaves. Plantation slaves in America particularly the mid nineteenth century slaves on cotton plantations were probably the most humanely treated slaves anywhere in history. The truth was exactly the opposite of what is shown in Tarantino's films.

    Remember when Africa was discovered by the outside world in the fifteenth century slaves left Africa on two routes - the hull of a slave ship to the New World or they were walked across the Sahara to the Muslim Middle East. Being on a slave ship was no pleasure trip but it had a better survival than the passage across the desert.

    When the slaves who went to the Muslims arrived they were castrated. This immediately killed many more of them. Those that survived of course did not reproduce.

    Those who went to the sugar plantations on the Caribbean or Brazil had a short bitter life. They were worked to death and quickly replaced. But those lucky enough to be taken to America had the best outcomes.

    Read "Time on the Cross" by Fogel an account of slave conditions on the big plantations in the American South. Fogel won a Nobel Prize for his work and he was married to a black woman. He was not a simple racist. He was an economist and a scholar. The big cotton plantations had their black slave workforce in stable families in separate houses. They had hospitals, churches, and schools. There was virtually no violence against the slaves. Thousands of slaves would be supervised by a handful of unarmed whites. The slave were organized into work teams. They worked hard and they ate better than most whites at the time. They ate meat and vegetables. It was highly regimented
    but it was not pointlessly cruel. It was a rational economic and social structure that was efficient and humane. Some Northern whites feared that slavery on these big cotton plantations was so efficient that it would spread into other industries and into the West and North.

    White people handled slavery better than any other culture. We should be proud of our history as slavery.

    Being on a slave ship was no pleasure trip but it had a better survival than the passage across the desert.

    The transported slaves also had better survival rates than the white crew members.

    Another point, or question: Did the slaves live better and longer in the colonies/United States than they would have if they’d remained in Africa either as slaves or as free?

  95. Anon[252] • Disclaimer says:

    “I’ve felt, going back at least to Kill Bill, that Tarantino is not a good man.”

    Uma Thurmond has hinted at that. After the Wienstein story broke, she started attacking Tarantino over a “car accident” involving her on the set on Kill Bill Volume 2. However, you have to ask yourself if she wasn’t just speaking in code considering the following: Tarantino deeply apologized claiming it was one of the worst decisions of his life and then he cast her daughter in one of his movies. The car accident in question? Yeah, I saw footage of it, and it didn’t look all that bad: no broken bones or teeth, no blood, no lacerations, just generalized pain. She complained in an interview after Wienstein, tearing up, about the “pain” the guy caused her, and then he goes and casts her unknown daughter in a movie role. Hmm…food for thought.

  96. …he identifies with Goebbels, with Harvey Weinstein as his Hitler:

    Poor Goebbels
    has no balls
    at all.

    Co-direction seems to be a sibling thing, perhaps due to DGA rules. But imagine if Adolfanboys Tarantino and Lars von Trier were to work together.

    (This is poor Kirsten’s father:

    https://prabook.com/web/klaus_hermann.dunst/501117)

  97. Didn’t Tarantino pretty much start the splatter-movie fad of the 90s – stylized portrayals of nihilistic hipsters shooting everyone in sight – with Reservoir Dogs?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    No doubt. The violence and sadism were appalling, although I remember "Die Hard" being talked about as practically going too far in the gun violence department.

    T'were better times.
    , @Forbes
    I walked out of Reservoir Dogs, it's just violence porn. I've no need to subject myself to such pandering to the grotesque.
  98. Anon[148] • Disclaimer says:

    Extremism is the resort of people who are becoming very frustrated. When Obamacare passed, the left thought this was absolutely terrific. They have achieved one of their most important goals. But by 2013 it was plain that Obamacare was a bureaucratic nightmare, its premiums were still too high for many to afford, and that it would eventually fall apart as various insurers pulled out. There was a lot of pent-up rage and anguish on the left about this realization. Yet Obama and his cronies made many other forms of health insurance illegal to get, which pulled the rug out from under many voters who saw their health insurance disappear.

    Under Obama, wages were still staying low, yet college educations were becoming more expensive, as was the cost of transportation. Gas prices were the highest they had ever been under Obama. It was over 4 dollars a gallon or more everywhere. Cars were expensive to buy, but were an absolute necessity if you worked a job in a city but wanted to live in the suburbs away from the violence. Everyone had to pay a lot of money just to stay safe. No one knows the real crime rate because everyone understands the Obama administration fudged the figures as much as possible to hide their own failure when it came to controlling crime. A lot of ‘white’ crime was actually caused by illegal Hispanic immigrants.

    One interesting quirk. According to Zillow, the average US home price fell after the financial implosion in 2008, and continued to fall until late 2012. Their means the average home owner was seeing their net worth dropping, and they would make less money if they had to sell their homes. However, home prices were still high enough you still had to take on a heavy debt load to be able to afford to buy in US coastal areas, especially on your crappy wage job. This is a lose-lose housing market situation for both owners and buyers.

    In other words, the Democrats were beginning to realize that even with themselves in charge, life still sucked. Their philosophy wasn’t capable of fixing the problems or able to make life better. This situation makes true believers absolutely frantic and double-down on their radicalism because they are absolutely convinced that they are correct, and they cannot psychologically face their own failures without admission that their leftwing philosophy is just plain wrong and unworkable in real life.

    Some of the more moderate Democrats, and the more practical-minded voters, many of whom voted for Obama, voted the next time for Trump. They wanted results, not a mindless following of an ideology that would not get results.

  99. The biggest reason ‘black face’ gets under blacks and liberals skin so much is that it harkens back to a time when blacks could not control images about themselves in the media. The humiliation was not so much at whites and (((other whites))) were imitating and coopting their culture which is normally inherently flattering or that there were negative stereotypes of mammy’s and step-n-fetch-its, it was that they had to endure their powerlessness and how others portrayed them. There were black movies but they had very little impact on popular culture. Fast forward 80-100 years later and what you have is a different convergence only now it is blacks (special people) and (((other whites))) who are in control.

    This is why IMHO the clamp down on social media and in popular culture is now in full bloom. As whites begin to in-group they will reclaim their positive images and counter the ones that have been built up over the last 50 years. First Man being just the latest example. Parodying movies like Django Unchained or Black Panther would be like fishing in a barrel. Americans gave up ethnic jokes long before they became radioactive and it was more because they were simply unsporting.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Parodying movies like Django Unchained or Black Panther would be like fishing in a barrel.
     
    How do you envision such parodies looking?
  100. @candid_observer
    I've argued before that there seems to be something inherent to Identity Politics that is some kind of socio-politico-emotional Attractor, drawing people in with surprising power.

    Religion is like that. It's hard to understand just what it is about religion that pulls in so many people. Scott Atran tries to capture the various components in human beings that might account for that appeal, but it seems to be a mishmash of many things. This may likewise be true of Identity Politics, and indeed Identity Politics may engage many of the same vectors.

    The self-hating white thing today strikes me as akin to the Flagellants:

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06089c.htm

    In any case, if Identity Politics does have this sort of inherent drawing power, probably any number of events can kick it off, if otherwise circumstances are ripe.

    Tarantino may well have been among the first to push us over the top. For Tarentino,, as always, nothing succeeds like excess.

    The self-hating white thing today strikes me as akin to the Flagellants:

    And with that, the list of cartoonishly inapposite analogies gains another entrant.

    Where do you see the slightest evidence that any of these virtue signalling Leftist bobos have undertaken any degree of personal mortification and penance in order to expiate the sin of racism? On the contrary, virtue signalling is a delight for them. It is refined intellectual vanity and sadist enjoyment. Since racism is defined as uniquely evil, anybody who goes crusading against this scourge arrogates to himself the right to torture, kill, and destroy with impunity, which most people find rather pleasurable. Movies like Django Unchained are exactly what they desire to see and do and feel. This is the very opposite of the penitential attitude.

    • Replies: @Forbes

    virtue signalling is a delight for them. It is refined intellectual vanity and sadist enjoyment.
     
    Yes. I've been saying for some time, so-called virtue-signaling is a misnomer. It is vanity signaling.

    Virtue is an inner discipline--it's what you do when no one is looking. It's personal self-control and modesty.

    Boastful pride is not a virtue--but virtue-signaling is just that.

    Virtue regards conduct, not speech.
    , @Anonym
    The purpose of the term "self-hating" white, borrowed as it is from the Jews, is exactly the same as their use of it. Ron Unz does not hate himself, though some Jews would choose to term him thus. Likewise, when we use it, it is a weaponized term.

    The idea is that for a white to hold an anti-white view, they must hate themselves. If the term sends them into paroxysms of indignant explanation, so much the better. One might then respond "U mad, bro?" and leave it at that.
    , @Anonymous

    Where do you see the slightest evidence that any of these virtue signalling Leftist bobos have undertaken any degree of personal mortification and penance in order to expiate the sin of racism?
     
    Aren't we hot off discussions of how the press burning the BBQ Beckys will have women risking life and limb to not appear racist? Didn't we just recount a few instances where this has already happened?

    Didn't Mollie Tibbetts's dad use her death for a literal "But think of the food!" apologia?

  101. @Ron Unz
    Well, our national elites are heavily concentrated in DC, NYC, and LA, and for decades they'd been very worried about black crime personally impacting them, which probably made them cautious about cheering for black violence.

    But they'd been working very hard for many years to gradually push out the blacks, and by the 2010s this policy had largely succeeded, with crime rates having drastically fallen. Once dangerous blacks were no longer around so much in their own vicinity, they could more freely indulge their liberal tendencies to glorify them, partly to assuage their guilt in having driven them away. Hence their positions in the Trayvon Martin controversy and all the others that followed.

    I discussed this at the time in my big Race/Crime article:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/

    The megalopolis of San José, Oakland, and San Francisco continues to commonly be left out of the conventional triumvirate cited, but it should not be; in fact that area is now probably the most important save Washington, with the rise of intrusive and ubiquitous technology and its displacement of conventional media (movies, television, printing, and music coming from New York and Los Angeles) with far more powerful social media, oligolopolistic engines, devices, and platforms that censor ideas and foster echo chambers for those in agreement with the dark powers.

    N.B. the dearth of Negroes in that megalopolis….

    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    The megalopolis of San José, Oakland, and San Francisco continues to commonly be left out of the conventional triumvirate cited, but it should not be; in fact that area is now probably the most important save Washington, with the rise...N.B. the dearth of Negroes in that megalopolis….
     
    Sure, that's absolutely correct about Silicon Valley, and in fact I discussed it extensively in my linked article.

    However, there actually is a pretty crucial black crime aspect even there, despite the very low relative numbers.

    East Palo Alto abuts Palo Alto and several other key communities, and it used to be a dreadful black ghetto, with the *highest* per capita murder rate in the entire country. But once a wave of Hispanic immigrants came in and mostly drove the blacks out, the murder rate dropped by 97%, and crime generally disappeared.

    So in some ways, the extract same process occurred here as in those other elite centers, even though the causes were somewhat different.
  102. @Tyrion 2
    The progressives are just as crazy in the UK but black issues are very marginal here.

    In the United States in the early 20th Century, the word “progressive” was a cover for a Communist political movement that had the good sense not to lay all of its cards on the table at the same time. They created the illusion of “progress” (as they understood it) by taking one small step at a time toward their heavily camouflaged end game.

    The tactic was used by Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, and the like to front Barack Obama as a moderate politician that both Blacks and Whites could support … until Obama could safely take off the wraps once he was secure in his second term.

    The Progressive Movement has not changed its tune or its tactics in the last hundred years. Succor the sheeple while camouflaged as a wolf in sheep’s clothing. When the timing is right, discard the charade to attack and destroy the institutions they had sworn to defend.

  103. @Peter Akuleyev
    vidence keeps accumulating that the liberal half of America took a sudden swerve into political extremism and psychological problems around 2013.

    No, the real story is that as it became more and more obvious that a black liberal was turning out to be a popular and potentially successful President, powerful groups with vested economic and social interests in the status quo decided to undermine the left and Obama in particular at every opportunity. To be sure, there are plenty of idiots and America haters on the left, but then, there always have been. The left in 2013 was far less insane and anti-American than the left in the 1970s, or the 1930s. But a lot of very peripheral racial and sexually tinged nonsense was elevated by pundits and politicians, Steve included, into major drama to make it impossible for Obama to get credit for economic growth, torpedo what would have been a very successful health care reform, and ensure that no one on Wall Street ever pays for the general lawlessnes and corruption that led to the 2008 crisis.

    Trump is a master at this. The „caravan“ is an incredibly marginal event. But Trump needs to keep the electorate distracted from his corruption, tax dodging, failure to address the opiate crisis and massive transfer of wealth to the GOP donor class. The tragedy of American working and middle class whites is that demagogues have always been able to use social issues as a distraction while fleecing the rubes. Nothing has changed since Mark Twain‘s day.

    But a lot of very peripheral racial and sexually tinged nonsense was elevated by pundits and politicians, Steve included, into major drama to make it impossible for Obama to get credit for economic growth, torpedo what would have been a very successful health care reform, and ensure that no one on Wall Street ever pays for the general lawlessnes and corruption that led to the 2008 crisis.

    What a lot of nonsense. Obamacare only would have been “a successful health care reform” for the insurance companies, who designed it. Moreover, it was the Obama administration itself that ensured that Wall Street would never pay any price for the crash of 2007/2008. He was by far their preferred candidate, as evidenced by all the money they stuck in his pocket during the 2008 campaign. So much so that he became the first Presidential candidate to eshew public financing of his general election campaign since public financing started in the 1970s, as it would have placed limits on what he was able to spend. And their sponsorship of Obama paid off for his masters in the finance sector. Things continued pretty good for them.

    This fact, by the way, is not nearly appreciated enough, certainly not by liberals, most of whom are unaware of it:

    “In 2008, Barack Obama became the first presidential candidate of a major party to decline public financing for the general election campaign since the program was established.”

    https://ballotpedia.org/Public_financing_of_campaigns

  104. @Pat Boyle
    White hate and justified black retribution was also the theme in Tarantino's next film "The Hateful Eight". In that one the moral lesson is that a black man should not just kill whites but torture them to death. Tarantino is the kind of hate filled racist monster that he attributes to his grotesque white characters.

    It is particularly offensive because it is so untrue. Slavery was an institution that was virtually universal in all advanced nations from the Neolithic Revolution to the Industrial Revolution. That may be considered a sad fact but it is a fact. Hunter gatherers don't keep slaves. Nations with agriculture do until they were replaced by a John Deere tractor. So large scale chattel slavery existed on this planet for about eight thousand years.

    The conditions of slaves varied a lot. Rome was a large scale slave culture and it had really terrible conditions for some slaves like those on a latifundae or in a mine. For the Roman expansion period most slaves were the booty if war. Caesar enslaved more than a million Gauls and got rich selling them. The slaves from the Jewish Wars were worked to death. A common practice in many places and at many times.

    Slavery could be very cruel. But many people with poor economic prospects in their particular profession sold themselves into slavery. Slavery for a few was a good career choice in ancient Rome.

    Where did the slavery in the American South stand in its treatment of slaves. Plantation slaves in America particularly the mid nineteenth century slaves on cotton plantations were probably the most humanely treated slaves anywhere in history. The truth was exactly the opposite of what is shown in Tarantino's films.

    Remember when Africa was discovered by the outside world in the fifteenth century slaves left Africa on two routes - the hull of a slave ship to the New World or they were walked across the Sahara to the Muslim Middle East. Being on a slave ship was no pleasure trip but it had a better survival than the passage across the desert.

    When the slaves who went to the Muslims arrived they were castrated. This immediately killed many more of them. Those that survived of course did not reproduce.

    Those who went to the sugar plantations on the Caribbean or Brazil had a short bitter life. They were worked to death and quickly replaced. But those lucky enough to be taken to America had the best outcomes.

    Read "Time on the Cross" by Fogel an account of slave conditions on the big plantations in the American South. Fogel won a Nobel Prize for his work and he was married to a black woman. He was not a simple racist. He was an economist and a scholar. The big cotton plantations had their black slave workforce in stable families in separate houses. They had hospitals, churches, and schools. There was virtually no violence against the slaves. Thousands of slaves would be supervised by a handful of unarmed whites. The slave were organized into work teams. They worked hard and they ate better than most whites at the time. They ate meat and vegetables. It was highly regimented
    but it was not pointlessly cruel. It was a rational economic and social structure that was efficient and humane. Some Northern whites feared that slavery on these big cotton plantations was so efficient that it would spread into other industries and into the West and North.

    White people handled slavery better than any other culture. We should be proud of our history as slavery.

    “Slavery was an institution that was virtually universal in all advanced nations from the Neolithic Revolution to the Industrial Revolution. … Hunter gatherers don’t keep slaves.”

    AFAIK, all societies practiced slavery whenever they could until the recent spread of Wilberforceianism. Hunter gatherers kept slaves too, even if their society was too sparse to have formalized castes, and without written language there’s not much written record for us to debate about now.

    E.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_among_Native_Americans_in_the_United_States#Traditions_of_Native_American_slavery

    Also, the Arab/Muslim world has been importing African slaves since long before the fifteenth century, although the castration practice you refer to mutes the slaves’ genetic legacy.

  105. It’s not movies. It was the sequence of events that began with Trayvon Martin’s death in 2012, which was followed by George Zimmerman’s acquittal in the summer of 2013. The acquittal spurred the immediate formation of Black Lives Matter that July. 2014 saw the shooting of Michael Brown and the choking of Eric Garner. Two New York City policemen were murdered execution-style following the decision not to indict the police who had restrained Garner. 2015 brought the death of Freddie Gray while in police custody in Baltimore. 2016 gave us the murder of five Dallas cops by a BLM supporter.

    If 2013 was indeed the watershed year, then everything goes back to the Zimmerman acquittal and the resulting formation of a professional agitation group that made a virtue of whipping up racial rhetoric and actions following every encounter between black men and law enforcement.

  106. @Desiderius
    I just had an interesting experience for the second time this week: women coming to my door asking if my wife is home and if I’d give her some literature about the D candidate.

    As if they’d already written me off. Or maybe I’m Jamielle Bouie and my wife is the dog, which is strange since in Ohio it’s customary to be friendly and neighborly with people coming to your door since they often do turn out to be your neighbors. I’m no exception.

    I hope you told them to fuck off in the most derisory tone possible.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Yeah, I kind of lost my patience with the second canvasser. My wife didn't get her literature.

    She got the first one, then explained to me why it didn't really seem convincing any more.
  107. Steve can’t you focus on real crises?

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/23/health/pregnant-immigrant-women-every-mother-counts/index.html

    Includes awesome embedded Spanish-language autoplay video. I wonder what extraordinary accommodations are made for foreign/non-native/non-citizen/non-Hispanic/no-puedo-hablar-el-Español pregnant women in Latin American countries? None, or perhaps, none?

  108. Anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:

    I think it’s really a reach to lay it on any one cultural product.

    Rather, ~2013 was the culmination of several huge trends that were aligned to reinforce each other:

    1) It was the time when interacting via Faceborg and Twatter echo chambers rather than in meat space or over the phone truly became the primary social outlet for anyone under ~40 and many of those over 40

    2) A generation finally came of age whose lives were shaped by two seminal post-2000 disasters, the Iraq war and the financial crisis, both of which were the fault of the Bush administration

    3) Because of the differences between the 2010 and 2012 elections, where the changing composition of the electorate was the only factor, plus the seeping into conventional wisdom of tracts like The Emerging Democratic Majority, the institutional Left became fully invested in identity politics – not as a means to an end but the end itself.

    Thus, among other things, the white working class went from being (in the liberal mind) unfortunate victims who were being cynically used by Republican elites to being the problem. And underclass minorities went from being (in the SWPL mind) kind of low class lowbrows best avoided and mocked to being allied heroes.

    4) The first cohort of Generation I-gen began college. This is where Haidt and Lunkyanov’s analysis begins.

    I think it is as simple as those four trends happened to reach a crest at the same time.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    2) A generation finally came of age whose lives were shaped by two seminal post-2000 disasters, the Iraq war and the financial crisis, both of which were the fault of the Bush administration
     
    The Democrats were just as supportive of the Iraq War and the policies that led to the financial crisis as the Republicans were.
  109. @Desiderius
    I just had an interesting experience for the second time this week: women coming to my door asking if my wife is home and if I’d give her some literature about the D candidate.

    As if they’d already written me off. Or maybe I’m Jamielle Bouie and my wife is the dog, which is strange since in Ohio it’s customary to be friendly and neighborly with people coming to your door since they often do turn out to be your neighbors. I’m no exception.

    I just had an interesting experience for the second time this week: women coming to my door asking if my wife is home and if I’d give her some literature about the D candidate.

    Interesting. Very interesting.

    You should have told the canvasser: “She can’t come to the door right now. She’s doing her chores. And, anyway, I tell her whom to vote for.

    • Agree: BB753
    • LOL: Forbes
  110. @Pat Boyle
    White hate and justified black retribution was also the theme in Tarantino's next film "The Hateful Eight". In that one the moral lesson is that a black man should not just kill whites but torture them to death. Tarantino is the kind of hate filled racist monster that he attributes to his grotesque white characters.

    It is particularly offensive because it is so untrue. Slavery was an institution that was virtually universal in all advanced nations from the Neolithic Revolution to the Industrial Revolution. That may be considered a sad fact but it is a fact. Hunter gatherers don't keep slaves. Nations with agriculture do until they were replaced by a John Deere tractor. So large scale chattel slavery existed on this planet for about eight thousand years.

    The conditions of slaves varied a lot. Rome was a large scale slave culture and it had really terrible conditions for some slaves like those on a latifundae or in a mine. For the Roman expansion period most slaves were the booty if war. Caesar enslaved more than a million Gauls and got rich selling them. The slaves from the Jewish Wars were worked to death. A common practice in many places and at many times.

    Slavery could be very cruel. But many people with poor economic prospects in their particular profession sold themselves into slavery. Slavery for a few was a good career choice in ancient Rome.

    Where did the slavery in the American South stand in its treatment of slaves. Plantation slaves in America particularly the mid nineteenth century slaves on cotton plantations were probably the most humanely treated slaves anywhere in history. The truth was exactly the opposite of what is shown in Tarantino's films.

    Remember when Africa was discovered by the outside world in the fifteenth century slaves left Africa on two routes - the hull of a slave ship to the New World or they were walked across the Sahara to the Muslim Middle East. Being on a slave ship was no pleasure trip but it had a better survival than the passage across the desert.

    When the slaves who went to the Muslims arrived they were castrated. This immediately killed many more of them. Those that survived of course did not reproduce.

    Those who went to the sugar plantations on the Caribbean or Brazil had a short bitter life. They were worked to death and quickly replaced. But those lucky enough to be taken to America had the best outcomes.

    Read "Time on the Cross" by Fogel an account of slave conditions on the big plantations in the American South. Fogel won a Nobel Prize for his work and he was married to a black woman. He was not a simple racist. He was an economist and a scholar. The big cotton plantations had their black slave workforce in stable families in separate houses. They had hospitals, churches, and schools. There was virtually no violence against the slaves. Thousands of slaves would be supervised by a handful of unarmed whites. The slave were organized into work teams. They worked hard and they ate better than most whites at the time. They ate meat and vegetables. It was highly regimented
    but it was not pointlessly cruel. It was a rational economic and social structure that was efficient and humane. Some Northern whites feared that slavery on these big cotton plantations was so efficient that it would spread into other industries and into the West and North.

    White people handled slavery better than any other culture. We should be proud of our history as slavery.

    White hate and justified black retribution was also the theme in Tarantino’s next film “The Hateful Eight”. In that one the moral lesson is that a black man should not just kill whites but torture them to death. Tarantino is the kind of hate filled racist monster that he attributes to his grotesque white characters.

    You can also see The Hateful Eight as prescient on the anti-Becky issue. Jennifer Jason Leigh’s bigoted Southern White woman is constantly being smacked around in the film, usually right after saying the N-Word. And the movie ends with her being lynched by a salt-and-pepper team:

    Implicit message: For racial harmony to reign between Blacks and Whites, the White woman must be exterminated?

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Jennifer Jason Leigh’s bigoted Southern White woman is constantly being smacked around in the film, usually right after saying the N-Word."

    Jennifer Jason Leigh is still hot, especially for a woman in her late 50s.


    "Implicit message: For racial harmony to reign between Blacks and Whites, the White woman must be exterminated?"

    Tim Pool said Communist Antifa told him moderate Liberals like himself get the bullet too.

    In the coalition of the fringes Beckys get the bullet too, unless you are Hillary Clinton since they all voted for her.
    , @Steve Sailer
    Anti-Beckyism is also the message of Spike Lee's recent KKK movie. It has an optimistic message that black and white men can come together in authoritarian institutions like the police force, but the real problem is evil white women.
    , @Pericles
    Wasn't that the movie with a white man blowing a black? Any accidental symbolism there, hm?

    I departed from Tarantino after the Inglorjews Bastardi, which turned out to be just an expensively shot Jewish revanchist torture porn fantasy, so I never saw his later oeuvre. Negro revanchism and New England judeo-triumphalism, I take it. Seems like it was a good decision, Pericles.
  111. @Tyrion 2
    The progressives are just as crazy in the UK but black issues are very marginal here.

    The progressives are just as crazy in the UK but black issues are very marginal here.

    You must not watch the BBC. Or read The Guardian….

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    I one dated two chicks. Each one worked for each. Five year olds in adult bodies. I was young and they were physically attractive, but who wants to spend their life with an NPC?
    , @Thud
    No, he's right, other than the offenders you mentioned its pretty much a non starter as an issue.
  112. @Pat Boyle
    White hate and justified black retribution was also the theme in Tarantino's next film "The Hateful Eight". In that one the moral lesson is that a black man should not just kill whites but torture them to death. Tarantino is the kind of hate filled racist monster that he attributes to his grotesque white characters.

    It is particularly offensive because it is so untrue. Slavery was an institution that was virtually universal in all advanced nations from the Neolithic Revolution to the Industrial Revolution. That may be considered a sad fact but it is a fact. Hunter gatherers don't keep slaves. Nations with agriculture do until they were replaced by a John Deere tractor. So large scale chattel slavery existed on this planet for about eight thousand years.

    The conditions of slaves varied a lot. Rome was a large scale slave culture and it had really terrible conditions for some slaves like those on a latifundae or in a mine. For the Roman expansion period most slaves were the booty if war. Caesar enslaved more than a million Gauls and got rich selling them. The slaves from the Jewish Wars were worked to death. A common practice in many places and at many times.

    Slavery could be very cruel. But many people with poor economic prospects in their particular profession sold themselves into slavery. Slavery for a few was a good career choice in ancient Rome.

    Where did the slavery in the American South stand in its treatment of slaves. Plantation slaves in America particularly the mid nineteenth century slaves on cotton plantations were probably the most humanely treated slaves anywhere in history. The truth was exactly the opposite of what is shown in Tarantino's films.

    Remember when Africa was discovered by the outside world in the fifteenth century slaves left Africa on two routes - the hull of a slave ship to the New World or they were walked across the Sahara to the Muslim Middle East. Being on a slave ship was no pleasure trip but it had a better survival than the passage across the desert.

    When the slaves who went to the Muslims arrived they were castrated. This immediately killed many more of them. Those that survived of course did not reproduce.

    Those who went to the sugar plantations on the Caribbean or Brazil had a short bitter life. They were worked to death and quickly replaced. But those lucky enough to be taken to America had the best outcomes.

    Read "Time on the Cross" by Fogel an account of slave conditions on the big plantations in the American South. Fogel won a Nobel Prize for his work and he was married to a black woman. He was not a simple racist. He was an economist and a scholar. The big cotton plantations had their black slave workforce in stable families in separate houses. They had hospitals, churches, and schools. There was virtually no violence against the slaves. Thousands of slaves would be supervised by a handful of unarmed whites. The slave were organized into work teams. They worked hard and they ate better than most whites at the time. They ate meat and vegetables. It was highly regimented
    but it was not pointlessly cruel. It was a rational economic and social structure that was efficient and humane. Some Northern whites feared that slavery on these big cotton plantations was so efficient that it would spread into other industries and into the West and North.

    White people handled slavery better than any other culture. We should be proud of our history as slavery.

    Yes, but American slavery was the worst bc white “racism.” What makes white racism the worst? The legacy of slavery of course.

  113. Anon[173] • Disclaimer says:

    “Trump is a master at this. The „caravan“ is an incredibly marginal event.”

    An old Daily Show tactic: pretend that something serious isn’t so serious in order to sweep it under the rug. This “marginal event” is, in reality, indicative of something very serious with our society. Where’s that link showing illegal immigration now reaching high levels again?

  114. @Rosamond Vincy
    OT:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6323781/Active-shooter-Pittsburgh-synagogue.html

    Thank heavens it's a "white man." The "MAGA-bomber" was a real disappointment.

    In addition, commenters are already blaming everything on Trump, despite his daughter's family and his moving the embassy to Jerusalem. I'm not a passionate admirer of Trump, but it's astonishing how lefties manage to blame him from every possible direction, no matter what he does.

    The shooter’s name is Robert Bowers and here’s a summary of his postings on social media:

    https://heavy.com/news/2018/10/robert-bowers-social-media-rob-gab/

    Sounds like a lot of the people on unz.com.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    His noticing caused him to go over the dune top too hard.

    Get ready for Internet Shutdown.
    , @Cagey Beast
    Sounds like a lot of the people on unz.com.

    That's true but then what should we do about it? The mass media and mass culture have already insisted Jews are leading characters in history, politics and social life. White Nationalists will chatter endlessly about Jews, with or without our assistance. So now what? Isn't it better to continue to demystify Jews and Jewish power rather than carry on with the same old plays that got us here?

    , @anon
    eh, he's no yagoda
    , @Lot
    "Sounds like a lot of the people on unz.com"

    He's a single male computer programmer Holocaust denier/Jewspiracy fan.

    Also thinks the Mossad killed JFK.

    https://i.imgur.com/Ns1NUQe_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

    Hmm, anyone on Unz.com fit that description?
    , @Lot
    Here's a long dump of his gab.ai feed before it was deleted.

    https://m.imgur.com/a/cwB9QkR

    You have to click "load more" a few times to see it all.
    , @J.Ross
    You're right, all criticism of Israel is one homogeneous shriek. Clearly the right thing to do is to censor people who disagree with you because there's no way that has already massively backfired several times.
    , @Roderick Spode

    The only person with blood on their hands is the shooter.

    Not Gab.
    Not the President.
    Not the gun.

    It's called individual responsibility and accountability.

    Have a blessed day.
     
    Nice. Haha.

    Why does nobody get this. Is “blood on your hands” some kinda Jewish liberal dog whistle?
    , @sabril

    Sounds like a lot of the people on unz.com.
     
    What's interesting is that we are discussing this in the same thread where the topic is Lefties going crazy. So what movie radicalized this fellow? Avatar?

    Dare I suggest that the common factor at work is the internet? That there is a mental process known as "radicalization" and internet access greatly facilitates it?
    , @Mr. Anon

    Sounds like a lot of the people on unz.com.
     
    I wonder if his grave site (once the bastard is hanged and sunk in the ground) will attract as many admirers as that of Baruch Goldstein, who killed almost three times as many people.
  115. @Desiderius
    I just had an interesting experience for the second time this week: women coming to my door asking if my wife is home and if I’d give her some literature about the D candidate.

    As if they’d already written me off. Or maybe I’m Jamielle Bouie and my wife is the dog, which is strange since in Ohio it’s customary to be friendly and neighborly with people coming to your door since they often do turn out to be your neighbors. I’m no exception.

    that’s a very interesting sign of the times – i’m guessing their internal polling is showing white women starting to slip off the plantation so they’re desperate to push them back in

  116. Do this to any other group, it will be called dehumanization

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'Do this to any other group, it will be called dehumanization'

    Indeed. Imagine the media being castigated for getting blacks all restive with talk about discriminatory behavior on the part of police.

    ...yet that in fact happened. The media did whip up the black population, and they did become restive.
  117. @Pat Boyle
    White hate and justified black retribution was also the theme in Tarantino's next film "The Hateful Eight". In that one the moral lesson is that a black man should not just kill whites but torture them to death. Tarantino is the kind of hate filled racist monster that he attributes to his grotesque white characters.

    It is particularly offensive because it is so untrue. Slavery was an institution that was virtually universal in all advanced nations from the Neolithic Revolution to the Industrial Revolution. That may be considered a sad fact but it is a fact. Hunter gatherers don't keep slaves. Nations with agriculture do until they were replaced by a John Deere tractor. So large scale chattel slavery existed on this planet for about eight thousand years.

    The conditions of slaves varied a lot. Rome was a large scale slave culture and it had really terrible conditions for some slaves like those on a latifundae or in a mine. For the Roman expansion period most slaves were the booty if war. Caesar enslaved more than a million Gauls and got rich selling them. The slaves from the Jewish Wars were worked to death. A common practice in many places and at many times.

    Slavery could be very cruel. But many people with poor economic prospects in their particular profession sold themselves into slavery. Slavery for a few was a good career choice in ancient Rome.

    Where did the slavery in the American South stand in its treatment of slaves. Plantation slaves in America particularly the mid nineteenth century slaves on cotton plantations were probably the most humanely treated slaves anywhere in history. The truth was exactly the opposite of what is shown in Tarantino's films.

    Remember when Africa was discovered by the outside world in the fifteenth century slaves left Africa on two routes - the hull of a slave ship to the New World or they were walked across the Sahara to the Muslim Middle East. Being on a slave ship was no pleasure trip but it had a better survival than the passage across the desert.

    When the slaves who went to the Muslims arrived they were castrated. This immediately killed many more of them. Those that survived of course did not reproduce.

    Those who went to the sugar plantations on the Caribbean or Brazil had a short bitter life. They were worked to death and quickly replaced. But those lucky enough to be taken to America had the best outcomes.

    Read "Time on the Cross" by Fogel an account of slave conditions on the big plantations in the American South. Fogel won a Nobel Prize for his work and he was married to a black woman. He was not a simple racist. He was an economist and a scholar. The big cotton plantations had their black slave workforce in stable families in separate houses. They had hospitals, churches, and schools. There was virtually no violence against the slaves. Thousands of slaves would be supervised by a handful of unarmed whites. The slave were organized into work teams. They worked hard and they ate better than most whites at the time. They ate meat and vegetables. It was highly regimented
    but it was not pointlessly cruel. It was a rational economic and social structure that was efficient and humane. Some Northern whites feared that slavery on these big cotton plantations was so efficient that it would spread into other industries and into the West and North.

    White people handled slavery better than any other culture. We should be proud of our history as slavery.

    And yet another fool who moralizes slavery.

    “Plantation slaves in America particularly the mid nineteenth century slaves on cotton plantations were probably the most humanely treated slaves anywhere in history…But those lucky enough to be taken to America had the best outcomes.”

    Slavery is inhumane. Period. Ripping people from their homeland, putting them in chains, and forcing them to do brute labor is not “humane”, no matter how you slice it. The “best outcome” was for whites to have picked their own damn cotton, not invaded and invited the world, and let the “darkies” live their own lives.

    “Slavery could be very cruel…There was virtually no violence against the slaves. Thousands of slaves would be supervised by a handful of unarmed whites. ”

    No, slavery was exceptionally cruel. Of course there was violence against slaves.

    https://mises.org/library/brutality-slavery

    “How the Negro slaves were treated may be gauged by the diary of the aforementioned William Byrd II, who felt himself to be a kindly master and often inveighed against ‘brutes who mistreat their slaves.’ Typical examples of this kindly treatment were entered in his diary:

    2-8-09: Jenny and Eugene were whipped.
    5-13-09: Mrs. Byrd whips the nurse.
    6-10-09: Eugene (a child) was whipped for running away and had the bit put on him.
    11-30-09: Jenny and Eugene were whipped.
    12-16-09: Eugene was whipped for doing nothing yesterday.
    4-17-10: Byrd helped to investigate slaves tried for “High Treason”; two were hanged.
    7-1-10: The Negro woman ran away again with the bit in her mouth.
    7-15-10: My wife, against my will, caused little Jenny to be burned with a hot iron.
    8-22-10: I had a severe quarrel with little Jenny and beat her too much for which I was sorry.”

    “But many people with poor economic prospects in their particular profession sold themselves into slavery. Slavery for a few was a good career choice in ancient Rome.”

    A WILLING choice, compared to the brand of slavery found in the Americas.

    “White people handled slavery better than any other culture. We should be proud of our history as slavery.”

    Since you seem to be ambivalent to slavery, why don’t you sell your wife and/or kids into slavery and see what kind of life they lead? You can then prove to everyone that “white people” handle slavery “better”.

    Idiot.

    • Replies: @Samuel Skinner

    And yet another fool who moralizes slavery.
     
    Slavery or genocide, take your pick. The demands of war means others must be made useful less you are overtaken by one who acts first. This means domination and extraction or replacement of those who are weaker then you.

    Slavery is inhumane. Period. Ripping people from their homeland, putting them in chains, and forcing them to do brute labor is not “humane”, no matter how you slice it.
     
    It is a comparative metric.

    No, slavery was exceptionally cruel. Of course there was violence against slaves.
     
    They beat their children and wives as well. Compare the amount of violence versus slaves versus those categories before declaring it exceptional.

    A WILLING choice, compared to the brand of slavery found in the Americas.
     
    Yeah, Roman voluntary slavery was a legal category to justify another freeman getting power over you. It isn't comparable with with most historical slavery.

    Since you seem to be ambivalent to slavery, why don’t you sell your wife and/or kids into slavery and see what kind of life they lead? You can then prove to everyone that “white people” handle slavery “better”.
     
    Owning slaves, not being slaves.
    , @anon

    “How the Negro slaves were treated may be gauged by the diary of the aforementioned William Byrd II, who felt himself to be a kindly master and often inveighed against ‘brutes who mistreat their slaves.’ Typical examples of this kindly treatment were entered in his diary:

    2-8-09: Jenny and Eugene were whipped.
    5-13-09: Mrs. Byrd whips the nurse.
    6-10-09: Eugene (a child) was whipped for running away and had the bit put on him.
    11-30-09: Jenny and Eugene were whipped.
    12-16-09: Eugene was whipped for doing nothing yesterday.
    4-17-10: Byrd helped to investigate slaves tried for “High Treason”; two were hanged.
    7-1-10: The Negro woman ran away again with the bit in her mouth.
    7-15-10: My wife, against my will, caused little Jenny to be burned with a hot iron.
    8-22-10: I had a severe quarrel with little Jenny and beat her too much for which I was sorry.”
     

    that doesnt sound like much, just every few months. How many slaves did they have?

    also remember that back then many parents spanked, and probably beat their children too, maybe with a belt as well.

    it was a different time

    also note that jews apparently were much more likely than whites to own slaves. its important to present a balanced view of history instead of just blaming the same old convenient group. For example maybe tell about the Arab slave trade?

    , @istevefan
    Why do people never chastise the myriad of non-white societies that practiced slavery? In fact why don't people chastise non-Christian Whites who practiced slavery?

    It seems that slavery is only condemned when practiced by a White, Christian society.
    , @Curmudgeon
    You make too many assumptions in your screed.
    - Not all slaves coming to the Americas were "ripped" from their homelands. In fact, most were not. The White Europeans taken as slaves by the Barbary Coast pirates, were, however, "ripped" from their homelands, as were the 10s of 1000s of White women from Eastern Europe taken by the Ottomans as sex slaves.
    - Not all of the labour they performed was "brutal". Many were employed in a domestic capacity or were taught trades.
    - Whites were picking their own cotton. White slaves were doing most of it (red necks from being sunburned), until slavery for life became legal when a freed Black slave, Anthony Johnson sought relief from the court to determine when indenture ended. Johnson owned 5 slaves, 2 of whom were White. At that point, the African slave trade kicked into overdrive.
    - Re: Whites invading. Was it OK for the Moors to invade Spain and France? Was it OK for the Ottomans to invade Europe? Was it OK for the Nubians to invade Egypt? How about the Bantus invading a whole lot of Africa? Invasions happen and always have.
    - Re: Inviting the world. The African slaves weren't invited, they were already slaves in Africa purchased, primarily by Jewish interests, and sold as chattel. If you are speaking of post 1965 "invitations" That is a complete aberration of the original concept of those who founded the US.

    I suggest you dismount your high horse cautiously.

    -
    , @Big Bill
    Byrd had 26,000 acres (ca. 1707) and about 200 slaves, and this is all the "extreme cruelty" you can come up with? Perhaps 12 whippings and 1 beating in an 18-month period?

    "Extreme cruelty?" Please. Unless you can tell us what the crimes were or the number of strokes, I am not impressed or appalled in the slightest.

    Ben Franklin's family members whipped him when he was indentured to them. Whipping was standard with bondsmen (slaves + indentured servants) of any race.

    It was over a hundred years later (ca. 1810-1830) before the English stopped whipping and pillorying as a standard government punishment.

    My own father whipped me (for stealing a few dollars from the church collection plate, age 10). I had to cut my own "birch". He laid on 10-15 lashes across my naked buttocks and upper legs. It took a few days for the welts to disappear. Believe me, I sat down gingerly that first day. :) When I was whipped by the principal for skipping class I got only five strokes and the pain was gone within two hours.

    I suppose my father could have done things "by the book", called the sheriff and had me arrested and charged with petty theft - I was a theif, after all. That would have been "humane" and "civilized", wouldn't it? Maybe send me to reform school as a juvenile delinquent. I suppose he could have signed up the family for 5-10 rounds 0f family therapy with a psychiatrist. But we weren't rich (or neurotic), didn''t have that much time to waste, and there weren't any psychiatrists within 65 miles.

    Corvinus, it doesn't sound like you are very familiar with American culture or history (or Western history, for that matter).

    It was not until about 1760, fifty years AFTER Byrd, that Ben Franklin agitated for eliminating whippings, stocks and pillories and creating "penitentiaries" where every "penitent" could sit in a cell for a long period of time and reflect on his sins. He thought this was a workable idea since his father's disappointment in him was more emotionally painful that the whippings his father gave him.

    Of course, we all know how the "enlightened" penitentiary system has worked out. I daresay many criminals would prefer a good whipping (or caning a la Singapore) instead of years of American-style penitentiary "penitence".

    Given the choice, I would have definitely preferred a whipping to arrest, reform school or the local jail.

    So what punishments did people in your homeland historically use?
    , @Colin Wright
    '2-8-09: Jenny and Eugene were whipped.
    5-13-09: Mrs. Byrd whips the nurse.
    6-10-09: Eugene (a child) was whipped for running away and had the bit put on him.
    11-30-09: Jenny and Eugene were whipped.
    12-16-09: Eugene was whipped for doing nothing yesterday.
    4-17-10: Byrd helped to investigate slaves tried for “High Treason”; two were hanged.
    7-1-10: The Negro woman ran away again with the bit in her mouth.
    7-15-10: My wife, against my will, caused little Jenny to be burned with a hot iron.
    8-22-10: I had a severe quarrel with little Jenny and beat her too much for which I was sorry.”'


    He seems to have a lot of trouble with Jenny and Eugene. Also, it's interesting that he allows Mrs. Byrd to defy him.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Ripping people from their homeland, putting them in chains, and forcing them to do brute labor is not “humane”, no matter how you slice it.
     
    Then let's be humane, and send them back.
  118. @Pat Boyle
    White hate and justified black retribution was also the theme in Tarantino's next film "The Hateful Eight". In that one the moral lesson is that a black man should not just kill whites but torture them to death. Tarantino is the kind of hate filled racist monster that he attributes to his grotesque white characters.

    It is particularly offensive because it is so untrue. Slavery was an institution that was virtually universal in all advanced nations from the Neolithic Revolution to the Industrial Revolution. That may be considered a sad fact but it is a fact. Hunter gatherers don't keep slaves. Nations with agriculture do until they were replaced by a John Deere tractor. So large scale chattel slavery existed on this planet for about eight thousand years.

    The conditions of slaves varied a lot. Rome was a large scale slave culture and it had really terrible conditions for some slaves like those on a latifundae or in a mine. For the Roman expansion period most slaves were the booty if war. Caesar enslaved more than a million Gauls and got rich selling them. The slaves from the Jewish Wars were worked to death. A common practice in many places and at many times.

    Slavery could be very cruel. But many people with poor economic prospects in their particular profession sold themselves into slavery. Slavery for a few was a good career choice in ancient Rome.

    Where did the slavery in the American South stand in its treatment of slaves. Plantation slaves in America particularly the mid nineteenth century slaves on cotton plantations were probably the most humanely treated slaves anywhere in history. The truth was exactly the opposite of what is shown in Tarantino's films.

    Remember when Africa was discovered by the outside world in the fifteenth century slaves left Africa on two routes - the hull of a slave ship to the New World or they were walked across the Sahara to the Muslim Middle East. Being on a slave ship was no pleasure trip but it had a better survival than the passage across the desert.

    When the slaves who went to the Muslims arrived they were castrated. This immediately killed many more of them. Those that survived of course did not reproduce.

    Those who went to the sugar plantations on the Caribbean or Brazil had a short bitter life. They were worked to death and quickly replaced. But those lucky enough to be taken to America had the best outcomes.

    Read "Time on the Cross" by Fogel an account of slave conditions on the big plantations in the American South. Fogel won a Nobel Prize for his work and he was married to a black woman. He was not a simple racist. He was an economist and a scholar. The big cotton plantations had their black slave workforce in stable families in separate houses. They had hospitals, churches, and schools. There was virtually no violence against the slaves. Thousands of slaves would be supervised by a handful of unarmed whites. The slave were organized into work teams. They worked hard and they ate better than most whites at the time. They ate meat and vegetables. It was highly regimented
    but it was not pointlessly cruel. It was a rational economic and social structure that was efficient and humane. Some Northern whites feared that slavery on these big cotton plantations was so efficient that it would spread into other industries and into the West and North.

    White people handled slavery better than any other culture. We should be proud of our history as slavery.

    White people handled slavery better than any other culture. We should be proud of our history as slavery.

    That’s like proudly stating you beat your wife the least.

    • Replies: @Samuel Skinner

    That’s like proudly stating you beat your wife the least.
     
    Interestingly the cultures that are okay with wife beating are also those that have a birth rate above replacement. But I guess we are too 'enlightened' for that. And when we are 'enlightened' we can heap scorn and tear down others. Envy- the sin that destroys civilizations.
    , @TTSSYF
    I think Pat is purposely being a little provocative in grading us on the curve. Anyway, we fought a bloody war to end it. Doesn't that count for anything?
  119. @Desiderius
    The elites (sic) got radicalized on campus in the early 2000s because the SJWs were right about Iraq and gained undue credibility therefrom.

    Yes. George W. Bush and the neo-conservatives did a lot of work ruining the brand.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Conservatism was also stale and cynical, even without the neocons. Standard issue, off the shelf conservatism made sense back when Reagan and Thatcher led movements to reform big government policies introduced back when they were young adults. All of that is like another world.
    , @Jefferson
    "Yes. George W. Bush and the neo-conservatives did a lot of work ruining the brand."

    The modern day Left do not hate Conservatives because of George W. Bush, in fact most modern day Leftists have changed their tune about George W. Bush and talk about how much of a "great" president he was compared to Donald Trump.

    Also most of Antifa were too young to remember the George W. Bush presidency and certainly too young to be engaged in politics and to be carrying Bush Is Hitler signs on the streets because of the Iraq war. Most Antifa members are under the age of 25.
  120. Possible theory re 2013 as the turning point in leftist lunacy: The first Black President arrived in 2008, but revolutionary expectations only really took off after his reelection in November 2012, when, as the Guardian put it, many joyfully saw “an Obama liberated from the prospect of having to campaign for office again and thus free to pursue an ambitious agenda.” At the same time the left’s negative emotions were stoked by an obstructionist House and the rise of the Tea Party. A perfect setup for self-righteous extremism?

  121. @International Jew
    The shooter's name is Robert Bowers and here's a summary of his postings on social media:
    https://heavy.com/news/2018/10/robert-bowers-social-media-rob-gab/

    Sounds like a lot of the people on unz.com.

    His noticing caused him to go over the dune top too hard.

    Get ready for Internet Shutdown.

    • Replies: @Anon
    What is a "dune top"?
    , @anonymous
    Is that some sort of Desert Racing metaphor?
  122. Really? He apparently rejected Trump from his right flank – Trump was not right enough or anti-Semitic enough for his taste. There are certainly anti-Semites on unz.com (although I hope not violent ones) but what % reject Trump from the right?

    Of course he is going to get spun as a Trump supporter anyway but it helps that he was so emphatically anti-Trump.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "There are certainly anti-Semites on unz.com (although I hope not violent ones)"

    Lots of people on The Unz are calling Robert Bowers a hero. To them he represents the cream of the crop of the White race.


    "Really? He apparently rejected Trump from his right flank – Trump was not right enough or anti-Semitic enough for his taste."

    In his Illinois rally Donald Trump said Robert Bowers should get the death penalty and that he rejects and wants to destroy anti-Semites. I don't know how anybody from the Alt-Right could still support Donald Trump after that. The Alt-Right thought they were voting for David Duke 2.0 and instead got an Israel Jew lover.
  123. Anon[173] • Disclaimer says:

    “And the movie ends with her being lynched by a salt-and-pepper team.”

    Can’t wait for the Hollywood movie where rapist child murderer Leo Frank gets lynched in the end after trying to incite a lynch mob against the innocent black guy. 3….2…. oh, never mind.

    “here’s a summary of his postings on social media.”

    We may be entering a new phase where white men, instead of suiciding themselves, end up going out in a blaze of glory. We saw something like this back during the depression when mobsters, instead of letting themselves get caught, had a tendency to fight it out.

    Endless racial hate of whites tends to radicalize people. THAT should be the narrative we promote from this, that racist anti-white messaging from the elite media is responsible for stuff like that. It has the virtue of being true, too.

    • Replies: @anon

    Can’t wait for the Hollywood movie where rapist child murderer Leo Frank gets lynched in the end after trying to incite a lynch mob against the innocent black guy. 3….2…. oh, never mind.
     
    lol, hold your breath for that
    , @notanon
    yes - the media have been creating this environment since at least Trayvon Martin
  124. @candid_observer
    I've argued before that there seems to be something inherent to Identity Politics that is some kind of socio-politico-emotional Attractor, drawing people in with surprising power.

    Religion is like that. It's hard to understand just what it is about religion that pulls in so many people. Scott Atran tries to capture the various components in human beings that might account for that appeal, but it seems to be a mishmash of many things. This may likewise be true of Identity Politics, and indeed Identity Politics may engage many of the same vectors.

    The self-hating white thing today strikes me as akin to the Flagellants:

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06089c.htm

    In any case, if Identity Politics does have this sort of inherent drawing power, probably any number of events can kick it off, if otherwise circumstances are ripe.

    Tarantino may well have been among the first to push us over the top. For Tarentino,, as always, nothing succeeds like excess.

    It’s hard to understand just what it is about religion that pulls in so many people.

    It’s pretty simple. Irreligion has no survival value. Look at Europe.

    Only the good have young.

  125. Anonymous[402] • Disclaimer says:

    So was Pulp Fiction all about the redemption of the White Man (played by Bruce Willis) as he saves the black mobster boss from being enslaved & killed in Zed’s cellar?

    Vincent Vega does not follow the Lord or Jackson’s hint at revelation and is semi-accidentally transformed into a peppered steak by the redeemed White Man himself.

  126. @International Jew
    The shooter's name is Robert Bowers and here's a summary of his postings on social media:
    https://heavy.com/news/2018/10/robert-bowers-social-media-rob-gab/

    Sounds like a lot of the people on unz.com.

    Sounds like a lot of the people on unz.com.

    That’s true but then what should we do about it? The mass media and mass culture have already insisted Jews are leading characters in history, politics and social life. White Nationalists will chatter endlessly about Jews, with or without our assistance. So now what? Isn’t it better to continue to demystify Jews and Jewish power rather than carry on with the same old plays that got us here?

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    That’s true but then what should we do about it? The mass media and mass culture have already insisted Jews are leading characters in history, politics and social life. White Nationalists will chatter endlessly about Jews, with or without our assistance. So now what? Isn’t it better to continue to demystify Jews and Jewish power rather than carry on with the same old plays that got us here?
     
    He appears to have been angry about Jewish support for high immigration into the United States.
    , @Lot
    "Isn’t it better to continue to demystify Jews and Jewish power"

    No, it is best to love and intermarry with Jews, unifying God's ancient and modern chosen peoples.

    https://leewoof.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/interfaith-wedding-ceremony.jpg?w=605

    http://2xkcvt35vyxycuy7x23e0em1a5g.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Ivanka-Trump-kids-and-Kushner.jpg
  127. @International Jew
    The shooter's name is Robert Bowers and here's a summary of his postings on social media:
    https://heavy.com/news/2018/10/robert-bowers-social-media-rob-gab/

    Sounds like a lot of the people on unz.com.

    eh, he’s no yagoda

  128. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Noah Smith’s post on Django is probably worth reading for a lefty/Goodwhite perspective: http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2013/02/django.html?m=1

    Excerpt:

    The supposedly mighty Southern warriors are no match for Schultz's superior Prussian gunnery. I see this as Tarantino giving a big fat middle finger to Southern pretensions of military manhood; one diminutive middle-aged German dude makes them look like amateurs. King Schultz, you see, is the Real Real White Guy, and one such man is worth a thousand of the slavers who tried to usurp the mantle of the white race.

    It almost seems as if Schultz' character came to the South just to serve this notice.

    And here's the amazing part; it really, really worked. The theater where I saw Django was packed mostly with working-class-type white folks, more men than women. Exactly the kind of people who might have felt an affinity with the South in the last three decades. And every time Schultz gunned down another white Southern slaver, these people laughed and whooped and cheered. No moral equivalence was in evidence. There was no dismay at the easy defeat of Southern manhood.

     

    Where did he see this movie with “working class white folks”? Noah Smith lived in NYC before moving to San Fran. He’s notorious for being dishonest, making stuff up, deleting and censoring criticism on his blog and on Twitter, etc. He’s not very bright either, so he has trouble making his propaganda and spins sound subtle and plausible.

    Ordinary white moviegoers don’t identify with foreigners with weird accents. Schultz represented the hordes of immigrants, mostly German and Irish, that the North imported to win the war against the more warlike, honor based, nativist South. It’s obviously this impulse that Smith, who spends most of his time propagandizing on behalf of immigration, is motivated by. He’s basically inverted this narrative in order to suggest to himself and to others, that his aim of using immigrants to swamp his political enemies does not display a lack of honor and manhood.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  129. Has he ever directed this level of invective against Narenda Modi?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_riots

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    Wow. It's hard to believe TDS can be this extreme.
  130. @Dave Pinsen
    Noah Smith’s post on Django is probably worth reading for a lefty/Goodwhite perspective: http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2013/02/django.html?m=1

    Excerpt:

    The supposedly mighty Southern warriors are no match for Schultz's superior Prussian gunnery. I see this as Tarantino giving a big fat middle finger to Southern pretensions of military manhood; one diminutive middle-aged German dude makes them look like amateurs. King Schultz, you see, is the Real Real White Guy, and one such man is worth a thousand of the slavers who tried to usurp the mantle of the white race.

    It almost seems as if Schultz' character came to the South just to serve this notice.

    And here's the amazing part; it really, really worked. The theater where I saw Django was packed mostly with working-class-type white folks, more men than women. Exactly the kind of people who might have felt an affinity with the South in the last three decades. And every time Schultz gunned down another white Southern slaver, these people laughed and whooped and cheered. No moral equivalence was in evidence. There was no dismay at the easy defeat of Southern manhood.

     

    In the real world, King Schultz would have taken one between the horns from one of this group’s descendants.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan%27s_Riflemen

  131. I don’t think it was so much that Django changed people’s minds about slavery, but rather that the over-the-top portrayal met with so much leftist, pseudo guilt driven remorseful approval that the necessary rational white reaction, to wit that it was all total bullsh*t, was suppressed.

    Other factors were involved in the lefty looney excursion of 2013. Many of BHO’s social programs took a year to get passed, another year to go into effect, and were just starting to become noticeable by 2012. With his reelection, these programs went into overdrive.

    I think historians may find the activities of the Justice Department to have been highly influential. How many small scale actions against employers took place during this time? Much attention is given here at isteve to high profile university admissions policies? Low profile actions against employers, not so much, but the effect I have noticed is a cohort of Affirmative Action employees ensconced in corporations where they would have been removed, or simply not hired, on qualifications or performance grounds before Eric “My People” Holder’s regime.

    Coming back to the film, it may have served as allegory for the more mundane process I have described.

  132. @Anon
    "And the movie ends with her being lynched by a salt-and-pepper team."

    Can't wait for the Hollywood movie where rapist child murderer Leo Frank gets lynched in the end after trying to incite a lynch mob against the innocent black guy. 3....2.... oh, never mind.

    "here’s a summary of his postings on social media."

    We may be entering a new phase where white men, instead of suiciding themselves, end up going out in a blaze of glory. We saw something like this back during the depression when mobsters, instead of letting themselves get caught, had a tendency to fight it out.

    Endless racial hate of whites tends to radicalize people. THAT should be the narrative we promote from this, that racist anti-white messaging from the elite media is responsible for stuff like that. It has the virtue of being true, too.

    Can’t wait for the Hollywood movie where rapist child murderer Leo Frank gets lynched in the end after trying to incite a lynch mob against the innocent black guy. 3….2…. oh, never mind.

    lol, hold your breath for that

  133. @International Jew
    The shooter's name is Robert Bowers and here's a summary of his postings on social media:
    https://heavy.com/news/2018/10/robert-bowers-social-media-rob-gab/

    Sounds like a lot of the people on unz.com.

    “Sounds like a lot of the people on unz.com”

    He’s a single male computer programmer Holocaust denier/Jewspiracy fan.

    Also thinks the Mossad killed JFK.

    Hmm, anyone on Unz.com fit that description?

    • Replies: @Anon
    You are a terrible person.
    , @Anon
    Pat Kittle ??
    , @Anon
    Judging by his Gab and other social media posts,the shooters views on Jews in general and the holocaust in particular line up almost exaxtly with Mr Unz views on those very same subjects, as stated in many of his holocaust denial , anti Jewish articles .
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Sounds like Wally or Charles Pewitt LOL

    Personally I find those guys good for a laugh, I don't mind reading what they have to say. But then again that's why I'm just writing a comment and not shooting up a synagogue, I try not to take that shit too seriously.
    , @Roderick Spode
    Maybe he did post here. I reckon he would have been an ‘anonymous’ though.

    If he did post on Unz, maybe we’ll find out.

    Tbh this incident has had me a bit down in the dumps. but there have been some very amusing comments in this thread which have put it in better perspective.

    Now society ought to mete out harsh justice to this scoundrel. He has a date with a gurney.
    , @Roderick Spode
    Maybe he did post here. I reckon he would have been an ‘anonymous’ though.

    If he did post on Unz, maybe we’ll find out.

    Tbh this incident has had me a bit down in the dumps. but there have been some very amusing comments in this thread which have put it in better perspective.

    Now society ought to mete out harsh justice to this scoundrel. He has a date with a gurney.

    Fat chance in PA, where this POS is still sitting around https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Banks
  134. @International Jew
    The shooter's name is Robert Bowers and here's a summary of his postings on social media:
    https://heavy.com/news/2018/10/robert-bowers-social-media-rob-gab/

    Sounds like a lot of the people on unz.com.

    Here’s a long dump of his gab.ai feed before it was deleted.

    https://m.imgur.com/a/cwB9QkR

    You have to click “load more” a few times to see it all.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Here’s a long dump of his gab.ai feed before it was deleted."

    All of the world's White anti-Semites have a profile on Gab. According to Wikipedia, Gab only has about 465,000 users which is not even 1% of The U.S White population let alone 1% of the global White population, so that's good news that these fringe types make up nowhere near the m as majority of Whites.
    , @Jefferson
    "Here’s a long dump of his gab.ai feed before it was deleted."

    The final nail on the coffin of Gab, put a fork in Gab it's finished. If Andrew Torba was a high IQ entrepreneur instead of a low IQ entrepreneur he would have never gotten in bed with the Alt-Right. There is no real money to be made catering to these people. He is an extremely incompetent businessman who makes shitty business decisions. Andrew Torba is no Donald Trump, Dana White, Mark Zuckerberg, Vince McMahon, and Mark Cuban for example when it comes to being a business genius.
  135. @Neoconned
    Steve I found it interesting that his good guy in the anti slavery movie was a German aka the ultimate bad guy trope of the Nazi or European terrorist.

    What's your take on the fact the good guy is as Tarantino put it "a n---er loving German"....

    What’s your take on the fact the good guy is as Tarantino put it “a n—er loving German”….

    Glee over fratricide? Schadenfreude?

  136. @The Anti-Gnostic
    Yes. George W. Bush and the neo-conservatives did a lot of work ruining the brand.

    Conservatism was also stale and cynical, even without the neocons. Standard issue, off the shelf conservatism made sense back when Reagan and Thatcher led movements to reform big government policies introduced back when they were young adults. All of that is like another world.

  137. @fnn
    Probably good reason why black issues are kept "very marginal":
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_London#Race_and_crime

    In June 2010 The Sunday Telegraph, through a Freedom of Information Act request, obtained statistics on accusations of crime broken down by race from the Metropolitan Police Service.[n 1] The figures showed that the majority of males who were accused of violent crimes in 2009–10 were black. Of the recorded 18,091 such accusations against males, 54 percent accused of street crimes were black; for robbery, 59 percent; and for gun crimes, 67 percent. Between April 2005 and January 2006, figures from the Metropolitan Police Service showed that black people accounted for 46 percent of car-crime arrests generated by automatic number plate recognition cameras.[59]

    Street crimes include muggings, assault with intent to rob, and snatching property. Black males accounted for 29 percent of the male victims of gun crime and 24 percent of the male victims of knife crime. Similar statistics were recorded for females. On knife crime, 45 percent of suspected female perpetrators were black; for gun crime, 58 percent; and for robberies, 52 percent.
     

    What percentage of the population is black?

    • Replies: @notanon
    c. 16% or so if you include mixed

    (nb that percentage will be significantly larger among the younger age demographic who are responsible for most violent crime)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_London#2011_Census
  138. @anon
    is it (((Noah Smith))) by chance?

    Of course. Also a weebo.

  139. @Jefferson
    If Matthew Shepards had been murdered by Gay hating Muslims his death would have gone down the mainstream media rabbit hole and nobody would have ever known who the hell he was.

    He wasn’t even killed by gay-hating rednecks. He was killed by a fellow gay prostitute, lover and fellow crystal meth dealer. It was a brutal robbery/murder for a shipment of meth, but not a hate crime.

    Btw, the bishop presiding over that, Gene Robinson, ran a pony farm, sleepover camp for girls (my sister attended) back in the ‘70s and ‘80s with his wife, a fat woman named Boo.

    He later came out, went to divinity school and became the first gay episcopal bishop. Or, as another Bishop once told me, the first openly gay Bishop.

    There’s not one mention in any coverage I’ve seen that the narrative isn’t true, although it’s pretty well-documented now.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Just how many gay-prostitute meth dealers are there in Wyoming?
  140. @Mr. Anon
    Didn't Tarantino pretty much start the splatter-movie fad of the 90s - stylized portrayals of nihilistic hipsters shooting everyone in sight - with Reservoir Dogs?

    No doubt. The violence and sadism were appalling, although I remember “Die Hard” being talked about as practically going too far in the gun violence department.

    T’were better times.

  141. The Wild One is said to have contributed to the growth of motorcycle gangs. Marlon Brando played a badass member of the now retro-appropriately named Black Rebels Motorcycle Club.

    I remember a professor of radio, television and film history (a great jock class if you’re Haven Monahan) gave that as an example of the idea that portraying anything on screen is at some level promoting it. It doesn’t matter if you portray him as the bad guy, or what he does as wrong. Deep down inside the viewer, it says yes.

  142. @Corvinus
    And yet another fool who moralizes slavery.

    "Plantation slaves in America particularly the mid nineteenth century slaves on cotton plantations were probably the most humanely treated slaves anywhere in history...But those lucky enough to be taken to America had the best outcomes."

    Slavery is inhumane. Period. Ripping people from their homeland, putting them in chains, and forcing them to do brute labor is not "humane", no matter how you slice it. The "best outcome" was for whites to have picked their own damn cotton, not invaded and invited the world, and let the "darkies" live their own lives.

    "Slavery could be very cruel...There was virtually no violence against the slaves. Thousands of slaves would be supervised by a handful of unarmed whites. "

    No, slavery was exceptionally cruel. Of course there was violence against slaves.

    https://mises.org/library/brutality-slavery

    "How the Negro slaves were treated may be gauged by the diary of the aforementioned William Byrd II, who felt himself to be a kindly master and often inveighed against 'brutes who mistreat their slaves.' Typical examples of this kindly treatment were entered in his diary:

    2-8-09: Jenny and Eugene were whipped.
    5-13-09: Mrs. Byrd whips the nurse.
    6-10-09: Eugene (a child) was whipped for running away and had the bit put on him.
    11-30-09: Jenny and Eugene were whipped.
    12-16-09: Eugene was whipped for doing nothing yesterday.
    4-17-10: Byrd helped to investigate slaves tried for “High Treason”; two were hanged.
    7-1-10: The Negro woman ran away again with the bit in her mouth.
    7-15-10: My wife, against my will, caused little Jenny to be burned with a hot iron.
    8-22-10: I had a severe quarrel with little Jenny and beat her too much for which I was sorry."

    "But many people with poor economic prospects in their particular profession sold themselves into slavery. Slavery for a few was a good career choice in ancient Rome."

    A WILLING choice, compared to the brand of slavery found in the Americas.

    "White people handled slavery better than any other culture. We should be proud of our history as slavery."

    Since you seem to be ambivalent to slavery, why don't you sell your wife and/or kids into slavery and see what kind of life they lead? You can then prove to everyone that "white people" handle slavery "better".

    Idiot.

    And yet another fool who moralizes slavery.

    Slavery or genocide, take your pick. The demands of war means others must be made useful less you are overtaken by one who acts first. This means domination and extraction or replacement of those who are weaker then you.

    Slavery is inhumane. Period. Ripping people from their homeland, putting them in chains, and forcing them to do brute labor is not “humane”, no matter how you slice it.

    It is a comparative metric.

    No, slavery was exceptionally cruel. Of course there was violence against slaves.

    They beat their children and wives as well. Compare the amount of violence versus slaves versus those categories before declaring it exceptional.

    A WILLING choice, compared to the brand of slavery found in the Americas.

    Yeah, Roman voluntary slavery was a legal category to justify another freeman getting power over you. It isn’t comparable with with most historical slavery.

    Since you seem to be ambivalent to slavery, why don’t you sell your wife and/or kids into slavery and see what kind of life they lead? You can then prove to everyone that “white people” handle slavery “better”.

    Owning slaves, not being slaves.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Slavery or genocide, take your pick. The demands of war means others must be made useful less you are overtaken by one who acts first. This means domination and extraction or replacement of those who are weaker then you."

    Thank you, White Knight, for your chivalry. The fact remains that Samuel Skinner is moralizing slavery and minimizing its brutality.

    "It is a comparative metric."

    What are you even babbling about? Put it this way--would YOU want to be seized by violence and be forced to work against your will?

    "They beat their children and wives as well."

    Who, white male plantation owners? OK, hotshot, what percentages and/or numbers are we talking about here when it comes to white male plantation owner brutality against their own flesh and blood? Furthermore, how it is justifiable for this particular group to beat up anyone who dares to cross them?

    "Compare the amount of violence versus slaves versus those categories before declaring it exceptional."

    That would be on YOU, since you made the statement "they beat their children and wives as well".

    "Owning slaves, not being slaves."

    No, no, no. Samuel Skinner in particular was singing the praises of how well slaves were treated by their masters. It should stand to reason he is willing to put his family to the test.
  143. @Fun

    White people handled slavery better than any other culture. We should be proud of our history as slavery.
     
    That's like proudly stating you beat your wife the least.

    That’s like proudly stating you beat your wife the least.

    Interestingly the cultures that are okay with wife beating are also those that have a birth rate above replacement. But I guess we are too ‘enlightened’ for that. And when we are ‘enlightened’ we can heap scorn and tear down others. Envy- the sin that destroys civilizations.

  144. @Autochthon
    The megalopolis of San José, Oakland, and San Francisco continues to commonly be left out of the conventional triumvirate cited, but it should not be; in fact that area is now probably the most important save Washington, with the rise of intrusive and ubiquitous technology and its displacement of conventional media (movies, television, printing, and music coming from New York and Los Angeles) with far more powerful social media, oligolopolistic engines, devices, and platforms that censor ideas and foster echo chambers for those in agreement with the dark powers.

    N.B. the dearth of Negroes in that megalopolis....

    The megalopolis of San José, Oakland, and San Francisco continues to commonly be left out of the conventional triumvirate cited, but it should not be; in fact that area is now probably the most important save Washington, with the rise…N.B. the dearth of Negroes in that megalopolis….

    Sure, that’s absolutely correct about Silicon Valley, and in fact I discussed it extensively in my linked article.

    However, there actually is a pretty crucial black crime aspect even there, despite the very low relative numbers.

    East Palo Alto abuts Palo Alto and several other key communities, and it used to be a dreadful black ghetto, with the *highest* per capita murder rate in the entire country. But once a wave of Hispanic immigrants came in and mostly drove the blacks out, the murder rate dropped by 97%, and crime generally disappeared.

    So in some ways, the extract same process occurred here as in those other elite centers, even though the causes were somewhat different.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    97%? Fantastic. They got a horse.
  145. @Prof. Woland
    The biggest reason ‘black face’ gets under blacks and liberals skin so much is that it harkens back to a time when blacks could not control images about themselves in the media. The humiliation was not so much at whites and (((other whites))) were imitating and coopting their culture which is normally inherently flattering or that there were negative stereotypes of mammy’s and step-n-fetch-its, it was that they had to endure their powerlessness and how others portrayed them. There were black movies but they had very little impact on popular culture. Fast forward 80-100 years later and what you have is a different convergence only now it is blacks (special people) and (((other whites))) who are in control.

    This is why IMHO the clamp down on social media and in popular culture is now in full bloom. As whites begin to in-group they will reclaim their positive images and counter the ones that have been built up over the last 50 years. First Man being just the latest example. Parodying movies like Django Unchained or Black Panther would be like fishing in a barrel. Americans gave up ethnic jokes long before they became radioactive and it was more because they were simply unsporting.

    Parodying movies like Django Unchained or Black Panther would be like fishing in a barrel.

    How do you envision such parodies looking?

  146. Anonymous[130] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    I think it's really a reach to lay it on any one cultural product.

    Rather, ~2013 was the culmination of several huge trends that were aligned to reinforce each other:

    1) It was the time when interacting via Faceborg and Twatter echo chambers rather than in meat space or over the phone truly became the primary social outlet for anyone under ~40 and many of those over 40

    2) A generation finally came of age whose lives were shaped by two seminal post-2000 disasters, the Iraq war and the financial crisis, both of which were the fault of the Bush administration

    3) Because of the differences between the 2010 and 2012 elections, where the changing composition of the electorate was the only factor, plus the seeping into conventional wisdom of tracts like The Emerging Democratic Majority, the institutional Left became fully invested in identity politics - not as a means to an end but the end itself.

    Thus, among other things, the white working class went from being (in the liberal mind) unfortunate victims who were being cynically used by Republican elites to being the problem. And underclass minorities went from being (in the SWPL mind) kind of low class lowbrows best avoided and mocked to being allied heroes.

    4) The first cohort of Generation I-gen began college. This is where Haidt and Lunkyanov's analysis begins.

    I think it is as simple as those four trends happened to reach a crest at the same time.

    2) A generation finally came of age whose lives were shaped by two seminal post-2000 disasters, the Iraq war and the financial crisis, both of which were the fault of the Bush administration

    The Democrats were just as supportive of the Iraq War and the policies that led to the financial crisis as the Republicans were.

    • Replies: @Forbes

    The Democrats were just as supportive of the Iraq War and the policies that led to the financial crisis as the Republicans were.
     
    Absolutely true--and it doesn't matter. The president and his party takes the heat. And the media will always blame Republicans.

    Media spin:

    When a Democrat targets Republicans, he's a crazy nut job who needs help and should be dispatched to anonymity.

    When a crazy nut job targets Democrats, he's a Republican whose name will be plastered across media 24/7.
    , @Desiderius
    Not on elite (sic) campuses. At Princeton they couldn’t find anyone to argue the pro-war side at panel debates in the run up to the war.

    I was shocked when I arrived there in fall 2001 how rancid the anti-white/west/American the atmosphere was, especially re: race.

    My take at the time was that Clinton resurrected the evil Left to save himself from impeachment. His election had been predicated on marginalizing them.
  147. @Hhsiii
    He wasn’t even killed by gay-hating rednecks. He was killed by a fellow gay prostitute, lover and fellow crystal meth dealer. It was a brutal robbery/murder for a shipment of meth, but not a hate crime.

    Btw, the bishop presiding over that, Gene Robinson, ran a pony farm, sleepover camp for girls (my sister attended) back in the ‘70s and ‘80s with his wife, a fat woman named Boo.

    He later came out, went to divinity school and became the first gay episcopal bishop. Or, as another Bishop once told me, the first openly gay Bishop.

    There’s not one mention in any coverage I’ve seen that the narrative isn’t true, although it’s pretty well-documented now.

    Just how many gay-prostitute meth dealers are there in Wyoming?

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    As many as they need and no more.
    , @Forbes
    When I lived in Colorado, I was told an amusing anecdote about Wyoming: Where men are men, and sheep run scared.

    I've no personal knowledge of such...
  148. @Lot
    "Sounds like a lot of the people on unz.com"

    He's a single male computer programmer Holocaust denier/Jewspiracy fan.

    Also thinks the Mossad killed JFK.

    https://i.imgur.com/Ns1NUQe_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

    Hmm, anyone on Unz.com fit that description?

    You are a terrible person.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Terribly handsome.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPmqPj2UYAE7nmi.png
  149. As long as the subject of discussion involves slavery and how evil white people are, a little context is required. See the section on “African Americans” here:

    Skip out to 1hr, 2min, 50 seconds for a discussion of slavery (among other things) in Africa. As bad as slavery may have been elsewhere, there were no bigger slave owners than Africans themselves. When you look at the writing of the white explorers of the day, what happened in America looked pretty good compared to what blacks were doing to themselves in Africa.

    • Replies: @Anon

    When you look at the writing of the white explorers of the day, what happened in America looked pretty good compared to what blacks were doing to themselves in Africa.
     
    Any sources you'd recommend?
  150. @El Dato
    His noticing caused him to go over the dune top too hard.

    Get ready for Internet Shutdown.

    What is a “dune top”?

  151. Anon[117] • Disclaimer says:

    “Django was an awesome movie, set in the past.”

    Figures that you would say something like that. Lack of self-awareness and assumption of virtuosity are some of the biggest failings of the religious left.

    “It triggered a lot of right-wing white people, but not left wingers.”

    Birth of a Nation didn’t trigger a lot of right-wing white people. Somehow, I don’t think you’d endorse a TCM marathon of that movie on its next anniversary. Besides, innocuous movies like Song of The South have triggered Leftists for decades. They banned them in response (how typical). Django is still shown on TV.

    “Left wingers were triggered by Trayvon Martin and Ferguson and Obama and Holder’s remarks about them.”

    Right wingers were triggered by NBC editing 911 calls to make George Zimmerman look guilty, plus that assumption of guilt thing in the media and attacks on whites in response even though the guy isn’t white.

    “Left wingers were also triggered by the rise of Stormfront online”

    Figures that left wingers would be triggered by someone expressing a dissenting opinion on a marginal platform.

    “which was right-wingers triggered by the fact there was a black president.”

    That and all the BLM terrorist attacks under his presidency, increase in the violent crime rate, crap healthcare bill, and his racist attorney general sending teams of DOJ officials to Ferguson to uncover a racist conspiracy that didn’t exist. Where’s that link to the BLM guy shooting a bunch of cops in 2016 again?

    “In general, this country couldn’t handle a black president.”

    They elected and then re-elected the guy. Seems to have been handled just fine.

    “Tarantino had nothing to do with it.”

    Remember that the next time SJWs claim Trump’s rhetoric had something to do with XYZ event. But Leftists have a penchant for lying and ignoring obvious contradictions in their dogma, so I don’t have much hope for that.

  152. @Peter Akuleyev
    vidence keeps accumulating that the liberal half of America took a sudden swerve into political extremism and psychological problems around 2013.

    No, the real story is that as it became more and more obvious that a black liberal was turning out to be a popular and potentially successful President, powerful groups with vested economic and social interests in the status quo decided to undermine the left and Obama in particular at every opportunity. To be sure, there are plenty of idiots and America haters on the left, but then, there always have been. The left in 2013 was far less insane and anti-American than the left in the 1970s, or the 1930s. But a lot of very peripheral racial and sexually tinged nonsense was elevated by pundits and politicians, Steve included, into major drama to make it impossible for Obama to get credit for economic growth, torpedo what would have been a very successful health care reform, and ensure that no one on Wall Street ever pays for the general lawlessnes and corruption that led to the 2008 crisis.

    Trump is a master at this. The „caravan“ is an incredibly marginal event. But Trump needs to keep the electorate distracted from his corruption, tax dodging, failure to address the opiate crisis and massive transfer of wealth to the GOP donor class. The tragedy of American working and middle class whites is that demagogues have always been able to use social issues as a distraction while fleecing the rubes. Nothing has changed since Mark Twain‘s day.

    Put down the bong. You must be high as a kite…

  153. @Mookie
    Django was an awesome movie, set in the past. It triggered a lot of right-wing white people, but not left wingers.

    Left wingers were triggered by Trayvon Martin and Ferguson and Obama and Holder's remarks about them.

    Left wingers were also triggered by the rise of Stormfront online, which was right-wingers triggered by the fact there was a black president.

    In general, this country couldn't handle a black president. Tarantino had nothing to do with it.

    In general, this country couldn’t handle a black president.

    more likely the other way around

  154. Anon[117] • Disclaimer says:

    “He was killed by a fellow gay prostitute, lover and fellow crystal meth dealer. It was a brutal robbery/murder for a shipment of meth, but not a hate crime.”

    Alternative facts. When this was revealed, the cast of ABC’s The View responded with “so what?”

    “But once a wave of Hispanic immigrants came in and mostly drove the blacks out, the murder rate dropped by 97%, and crime generally disappeared.”

    Those people have to go somewhere. Red State people don’t too much like Blue State urban hipsters shipping their crime problems into their neighborhoods while hypocritically calling them racists. This might explain some of the increasing white polarization.

    • Agree: Ron Unz
  155. @Lot
    Just how many gay-prostitute meth dealers are there in Wyoming?

    As many as they need and no more.

  156. @Lot
    "Sounds like a lot of the people on unz.com"

    He's a single male computer programmer Holocaust denier/Jewspiracy fan.

    Also thinks the Mossad killed JFK.

    https://i.imgur.com/Ns1NUQe_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

    Hmm, anyone on Unz.com fit that description?

    Pat Kittle ??

  157. “Again, everyone, it’s just Sailer’s third rule of journalism in action”

    Quit your barking. The moon isn’t even up yet.

  158. @George
    Were Django Unchained and Inglourious Basterds flops? Did anyone actually go to see them? I kind of thought that Tarantino had given up on his 1970s LA noir themed movies and tried to branch out, unsuccessfully, into what used to be called 'race movies', Black themed and Jewish themed. He even did a cowboy theme movie that sounded good which I did see.

    https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=djangounchained.htm
    Django Unchained Domestic Total Gross: $162,805,434 Production Budget: $100 million Worldwide: $425,368,238

    Inglourious Basterds
    https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=inglouriousbasterds.htm
    Domestic Total Gross: $120,540,719 Production Budget: $70 million Worldwide: $321,455,689

    Compare with:
    Pulp Fiction
    Domestic: $107,928,762 Worldwide: $213,928,762 Production Budget: $8 million, Criticize Weinstein all you want, that kind of return on investment changes you.

    Black Panther: Worldwide $1,346,912,828, production budget undiclosed.

    Production Budget is not audited so the numbers might be bogus for all movies.

    Remember the Gross first has to compensate theater owners and distributors. There are more middle men worldwide, if I understand it right. Back in the day the rule of thumb is an American movie had to have a domestic box office of twice the production budget to start making money.

    Why isn't Tarantino is making movies anymore. Short answer, nobody is watching them and starry eyed investors are no longer financing his $100m budgets. Spike Lee figured this out and is doing 'smaller' movies.

    Why isn’t Tarantino is making movies anymore.

    He’s currently making a movie about Hollywood (plus Charles Manson) in 1969:

    Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Once_Upon_a_Time_in_Hollywood

  159. @Lot
    "Sounds like a lot of the people on unz.com"

    He's a single male computer programmer Holocaust denier/Jewspiracy fan.

    Also thinks the Mossad killed JFK.

    https://i.imgur.com/Ns1NUQe_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

    Hmm, anyone on Unz.com fit that description?

    Judging by his Gab and other social media posts,the shooters views on Jews in general and the holocaust in particular line up almost exaxtly with Mr Unz views on those very same subjects, as stated in many of his holocaust denial , anti Jewish articles .

    • Troll: Almost Missouri
  160. @Mookie
    Django was an awesome movie, set in the past. It triggered a lot of right-wing white people, but not left wingers.

    Left wingers were triggered by Trayvon Martin and Ferguson and Obama and Holder's remarks about them.

    Left wingers were also triggered by the rise of Stormfront online, which was right-wingers triggered by the fact there was a black president.

    In general, this country couldn't handle a black president. Tarantino had nothing to do with it.

    Biracial president, great-great-grandpa.
    And as Dennis Miller said,”I’m disappointed in his white half”.

  161. Anonymous[130] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cagey Beast
    Sounds like a lot of the people on unz.com.

    That's true but then what should we do about it? The mass media and mass culture have already insisted Jews are leading characters in history, politics and social life. White Nationalists will chatter endlessly about Jews, with or without our assistance. So now what? Isn't it better to continue to demystify Jews and Jewish power rather than carry on with the same old plays that got us here?

    That’s true but then what should we do about it? The mass media and mass culture have already insisted Jews are leading characters in history, politics and social life. White Nationalists will chatter endlessly about Jews, with or without our assistance. So now what? Isn’t it better to continue to demystify Jews and Jewish power rather than carry on with the same old plays that got us here?

    He appears to have been angry about Jewish support for high immigration into the United States.

  162. @fnn
    Probably good reason why black issues are kept "very marginal":
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_London#Race_and_crime

    In June 2010 The Sunday Telegraph, through a Freedom of Information Act request, obtained statistics on accusations of crime broken down by race from the Metropolitan Police Service.[n 1] The figures showed that the majority of males who were accused of violent crimes in 2009–10 were black. Of the recorded 18,091 such accusations against males, 54 percent accused of street crimes were black; for robbery, 59 percent; and for gun crimes, 67 percent. Between April 2005 and January 2006, figures from the Metropolitan Police Service showed that black people accounted for 46 percent of car-crime arrests generated by automatic number plate recognition cameras.[59]

    Street crimes include muggings, assault with intent to rob, and snatching property. Black males accounted for 29 percent of the male victims of gun crime and 24 percent of the male victims of knife crime. Similar statistics were recorded for females. On knife crime, 45 percent of suspected female perpetrators were black; for gun crime, 58 percent; and for robberies, 52 percent.
     

    What’s the proportion of Blacks in the Greater London population?

    According to Wiki, in 2011 Blacks were 13.4% of the population. So Black crime in London is roughly comparable to Black crime in the US, i.e. ~13% of the population responsible for about one-half the crimes.

    • Replies: @Menschmaschine
    So, it seems that even in Londonistan, good christian negroes are not only proportionally, but even absolutely, more trouble than those Muslims. Perhaps our GoodRights here should think over their hero worship of that Tommy Robertson guy who assures us that mass immigration of blacks is all fine, it is only those reactionary Muslims that are the problem?
  163. @Jason Liu
    I believe leftist extremism is a result of peak social media, especially Twitter, Tumblr, and Instagram.

    These platforms radicalize the young, especially young women, and should've been regulated long ago.

    Yes, I think Leftism is better understood as a process than an ideology. Leftists compete with eachother for social status by posing as advocates for the (alleged) downtrodden. Social media has greatly intensified social status competition among just the sort of people who are going crazy.

  164. @Charles Pewitt
    OFF TOPIC

    Bear Markets Are Part Of The Business Cycle

    The "Great Moderation" Was A Smash-And-Grab Con Job From the WASP/JEW Ruling Class Of The American Empire

    It Is Fun And Exciting When Bears Run Right At You

    The Pewitt Plan to raise the federal funds rate to 20 percent will open the door for the bear to come running at the greedy stock market shysters.

    If you don't laugh at this, you ain't got no sense of humour:

    https://twitter.com/RudyHavenstein/status/1055854515633643520

    You don’t own or work for a company that makes things, do you?

  165. Anon[162] • Disclaimer says:

    “The Democrats were just as supportive of the Iraq War and the policies that led to the financial crisis as the Republicans were.”

    1. In all honesty, that’s not true (well, the war part that is). The neocon GOP definitely owned the Iraq War. However, the Housing Crisis was indeed a widely-supported failed experiment by the uniparty. The fact that their dogma caused a massive financial crisis should have been a wake up call, yet the dogma persists. Debt does matter and not all races make enough to afford housing, something that will become increasingly clear as immigration drives up valuable real estate prices while NAMs find it ever more difficult to compete in the high IQ Information Age. Expect more policy-generated boom-bust cycles in the future.

    2. Regardless, that’s not how it works. In the American system, the US president gets either all the praise or all the condemnation for everything that happens, even the unwarranted stuff. Clinton got praise for an economy he had nothing to do with and Bush got praise and then scorn for a war he promoted, regardless of who voted for it. The saving grace for the republican party on the war issue has been Trump. He condemned Iraq, albeit belatedly but still none-the-less. This allowed the GOP to move beyond this issue with the white youth. Otherwise, the radical left would have even more power and influence than they already do; the left running warmonger Hillary Clinton also helped things.

  166. Anon[162] • Disclaimer says:

    “Judging by his Gab and other social media posts,the shooters views on Jews in general and the holocaust in particular line up almost exaxtly with Mr Unz views on those very same subjects, as stated in many of his holocaust denial , anti Jewish articles .”

    I see the ADL and their minions are already trying to take advantage of the situation in order to ban dissent by blaming their critics for XYZ.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Steve's BFF jPod had a sane comment: https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/311563/
  167. @AndrewR
    Lots of factors. As has been pointed out: they felt they no longer needed to pretend to be reasonable and compassionate. And as some have pointed out, the OWS movement circa 2011 scared the plutocrats into funding and promoting race and sex obsessed SJWs who don't give a rat's ass about economic issues.

    the OWS movement circa 2011 scared the plutocrats into funding and promoting race and sex

    this is probably an important aspect – one of the big changes of the last ten years or so has been the adoption of identity politics by big business to deflect attention away from economics and the timing – banking crash 2008 – fits nicely.

    • Replies: @WR
    You are correct. Personally, it was around that time that I realized that plutocrats look with contempt at regular middle class folks who spend their lives working at shitty jobs so as to raise their children decently. The PTB use SJW issues to put them down.
    , @Wally
    Indeed, being a baseball fan & watching the World Series commercials is like watching an anti-white, leftist festival.

    You would think that the US is 80% black, all business owners, engineers & programmers are black, and there are no white families.

    And when white males are depicted they are either gay or stupid.

    Too, I do wonder who runs the ad agencies contracted to make the commercials.

  168. Anon[421] • Disclaimer says:

    “The Wild One is said to have contributed to the growth of motorcycle gangs.”

    Birth of a Nation probably contributed to the rise of the KKK in the early 20th century. Movies definitely affect culture, so this Django theory makes some sense. Of course, as others have pointed out, it’s probably more complicated and involved than just that. On a side note, it always puzzled me why conservatives/whites didn’t organize to boycott and demand theater chains not carry racist movies like Django. What happened to the Moral Majority guys who attacked now innocuous video games back in the 90s? Not saying I support that, but some kind of consumer action would have seemed appropriate in response to all those racist movies.

  169. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Stuff like DJANGO is poisonous because they blend nihilism with moralism.

    Nihilism is bad enough but has a certain consistency. It’s a middle finger to all. PULP FICTION is like that. Trash movie, but it is more or less honest about its lack of morals. The world is full of gangsters, and the gangster code is all that counts. Even Samuel L. Jackson’s sermon at the end is just hipster gibberish. Nihilism is dangerous but, when seen for what it is, it is never mistaken for righteousness.
    It’s like gangsters are bad but not altogether destructive when seen for what they are.

    Tarantino first made his splash as a troubled nihilist. RESERVOIR DOGS is nihilistic but not without moral anxiety. Whom to trust? What does honor mean? The cop ends up betraying everyone. He ends up killing a civilian(woman in the car) and has to betray a killer who defended him to the end. Michael Madsen plays a psycho who, however, has a strong sense of loyalty and honor to his boss. So, there is no moral certainty in RESERVOIR DOGS but plenty of moral anxiety despite its nihilistic setting.

    Then PULP FICTION came along and gone was the moral anxiety. It was just filthy wallowing in laughing nihilism. Still, its one saving grace is it is brazen and open about its nihilism. No one should look to PF for any kind of deep meaning or truth.

    Tarantino seemed content and glib with his hipster nihilism. There was more of that in KILL BILL. And even in INGLORIOUS BASTERDS where some German characters were, if not sympathetic, recognizably human whereas some Jewish characters were like Jewish Nazis: thuggish, murderous, and insane. Tarantino fiendishly seemed to be playing against types. And its most hilarious character turns out to be not so much a nazi but a zelig who can easily morph into anything. Thus, it is rather ‘unjust’ to scar him with the Nazi mark of cain. Ironically, he’s a very adaptive character like rootless Jews.

    Anyway, nihilism is a young man’s trade. Once Tarantino got older, he began to feel empty and wanted to stand for something. Since he has a pop take on everything, his understanding of the American South was out of comic books and PC. But here’s the problem. Because of his insane sociopathic nihilism, his moralism got fused with the mentality of Jack the Ripper. This is the difference between DJANGO UNCHAINED and RIDE WITH THE DEVIL. Ang Lee’s film is ultimately more sympathetic with the North and the Negro, but it shows how complicated the politics and values were. People are not born into a world of fixed good and fixed bad. Even on the side fighting for slavery, there are men of honor and courage. Even on the Northern side, there are terrorists. The black guy has a personal bond to a white master who considers him a friend. So, even though the movie ultimately leans one way, it doesn’t negate the humanity of everyone involved. It encourages moral thought.
    But DJANGO encourages nihilist mania but sells it as the New Morality. But even if your side is morally more justified, nihilist use of the cause negates its righteousness. If you act insane in a cause for sanity, the sanity becomes insane.

    Now, we know the appeal of nihilism and gangsterism. It’s the fantasy of being liberated from all moral restraints that have too many No’s. But morality always comes with No’s. Also, just because your side is ‘just’ doesn’t give you license to go Mylai or Abu Grahib and go all crazy. Even a righteous cause can be marred or discredited with immoral behavior. The Crusades got ugly with excessive massacres and the like.
    For Tarantino, the theme of slavery gave moral cover to his ugly nihilism. This way, he could wallow in total insanity while peddling it as a moral statement. But then, there was similar idiocy with RAMBO.

    Why was this kind of thing dangerous? Because Americans have no sense of roots anymore. Just like mudslides occur after trees and their roots have been removed, American passions are no longer rooted in deeper values of family, church, heritage. Kids only know pop culture, and so if the Pop Passion goes in such way, kids just slide along with the mud-souls. They, especially deracinated and deculturated proggies, can easily be swayed with anything: ‘Gay Marriage’ and ‘Pronoun Mania’.
    Same thing with Cultural Revolution in China. A whole generation of kids grew up with radical craziness that shat on all of Chinese history and culture. So, when they were told to act like thugs and smash everything, they were more than happy to. Their only sense of rightness was the Ideological Heat of the Moment. (But things are so bad among the US elites that I wouldn’t mind a Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution against them pitting real pitchfork mobs against the decadent elites who peddle utter garbage to the masses.)

    Anyway, thoughtful films like Oliver Stone’s HEAVE AND EARTH and Ang Lee’s RIDE WITH THE DEVIL totally bombed. In contrast, DJANGO made big bucks. This means the proggies are just as stupid and demented as the unwashed masses with no taste.

    • Replies: @Anon
    I don't see Tarantino's movies being any worse than Stephen King's horror novels, where people get killed for no reason. Yet King's dreadful crap gets praise from all sides even though he's a lousy writer.

    Popular culture always has sucky taste.
  170. The Trayvon Martin brouhaha happened in early 2012, so I doubt the Django movie could be anything more than an indicator of the zeitgeist instead of the cause.

    Perhaps it was that Obama had been president for over three years, and contrary to some assumptions, the great racial reconciliation had not, and clearly would not happen. Perhaps it was frustration at this great failure that spurred the ensuig liberal lunacy.

    I’m reminded of how Stalin would blame any failures of his mighty 5-year plan to achieve its lofty production goals on “wreckers” who needed to be ferreted out at any cost. The Great Terror and its bloody paranoia seems to have many facets in common with our current racial and sexual witchhunt. Without the gulag part.

    Yet.

  171. @anonymous
    Speaking of minstrel shows, here's Jimmy Kimmel in blackface. Hope he doesn't get Megyn-ed:

    https://youtu.be/-wse5lgIDxM

    “Speaking of minstrel shows, here’s Jimmy Kimmel in blackface. Hope he doesn’t get Megyn-ed:”

    It’s okay to do blackface if you bash Donald Trump every night like Jimmy Kimmel does. His politics is the reason why he has job security for life at ABC and will NEVER be fired for his blackface past.

  172. @Lurker
    Anti-white hate/non-white resentment has been stoked for years. Film, books, TV, comics. Maybe 2013 was just the crossing of a threshold?

    Not seen DU and won't, certainly not if I have to pay.

  173. @Corvinus
    "If this were true then the left would have fixed immigration years ago rather than using immigration to fix the electorate."

    The reality is that the left AND the right have been accused of "fixing the electorate" by allowing "foreigners" into their voting ranks, especially in recent times, thus neither side has been been compelled to address this issue with viable solutions. Of course, if we look at our history, the Republicans and Democrats have always relied on newcomers to join their party.

    Statistically that is nonsene. Asolute nonsense.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Statistically that is nonsene. Asolute nonsense."

    Do you have an argument to put forth? Do you need help on how to craft a cogent response?
  174. @Mr. Anon
    Didn't Tarantino pretty much start the splatter-movie fad of the 90s - stylized portrayals of nihilistic hipsters shooting everyone in sight - with Reservoir Dogs?

    I walked out of Reservoir Dogs, it’s just violence porn. I’ve no need to subject myself to such pandering to the grotesque.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    I walked out of Reservoir Dogs, it’s just violence porn.
     
    I have never seen Reservoir Dogs and I never will, because even after you dress it up in a bunch of postmodern hogwash, it is, as you say, violence porn with an intellectual sheen.
  175. @Neoconned
    Steve I found it interesting that his good guy in the anti slavery movie was a German aka the ultimate bad guy trope of the Nazi or European terrorist.

    What's your take on the fact the good guy is as Tarantino put it "a n---er loving German"....

    i assumed he was meant to be Jewish as a nod to blazing saddles?

  176. @Jefferson
    "with White Flight (to the deplorable suburbs)"

    Most suburbs in blue states are just as equally Left Wing as the city limits.

    There is not a political dime's worth of difference between the suburb of Pasadena and the city limits of Los Angeles proper for example.

    > Most suburbs in blue states are just as equally Left Wing as the city limits.

    Understandably, virtue signaling is quite attractive when it does not entail any personal costs or risks.

    In the short run, at least.

  177. @stillCARealist
    Yes but your country has a built-in layer of true believer communists always poised to leap into whatever trouble or potential leadership they can. it doesn't take much to expose how Bolshevik a fair portion of Britain would be if they could.

    For much of the American left, it really is racial resentment.

    SJWs in the UK used to be all about black issues but it shifted to muslim issues as their numbers increased

  178. @Intelligent Dasein

    The self-hating white thing today strikes me as akin to the Flagellants:
     
    And with that, the list of cartoonishly inapposite analogies gains another entrant.

    Where do you see the slightest evidence that any of these virtue signalling Leftist bobos have undertaken any degree of personal mortification and penance in order to expiate the sin of racism? On the contrary, virtue signalling is a delight for them. It is refined intellectual vanity and sadist enjoyment. Since racism is defined as uniquely evil, anybody who goes crusading against this scourge arrogates to himself the right to torture, kill, and destroy with impunity, which most people find rather pleasurable. Movies like Django Unchained are exactly what they desire to see and do and feel. This is the very opposite of the penitential attitude.

    virtue signalling is a delight for them. It is refined intellectual vanity and sadist enjoyment.

    Yes. I’ve been saying for some time, so-called virtue-signaling is a misnomer. It is vanity signaling.

    Virtue is an inner discipline–it’s what you do when no one is looking. It’s personal self-control and modesty.

    Boastful pride is not a virtue–but virtue-signaling is just that.

    Virtue regards conduct, not speech.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    That’s gold box worthy. Profound insight concisely expressed.
    , @Anonymous
    "Virtue-signaling" is perfect firstly because it's almost oxymoronic: a virtue becoming a vice when boasted of.

    Secondly, an ethics around virtue, one's goodness coming from one's character - the goodness of states of being rather than of the consequences of deeds or the fulfillment of duties - ties into the way many insulate themselves from the consequences of their virtue. The heart can stay pure when the body is never tested.

    What does it mean, "vanity-signaling"? Vanity-vanitying? Isn't that just vanity?

    , @Jim Don Bob
    From Pride and Prejudice:

    "Vanity and pride are different things, though the words are often used synonymously. A person may be proud without being vain. Pride relates more to our opinion of ourselves, vanity to what we would have others think of us."
  179. @syonredux

    White hate and justified black retribution was also the theme in Tarantino’s next film “The Hateful Eight”. In that one the moral lesson is that a black man should not just kill whites but torture them to death. Tarantino is the kind of hate filled racist monster that he attributes to his grotesque white characters.
     
    You can also see The Hateful Eight as prescient on the anti-Becky issue. Jennifer Jason Leigh's bigoted Southern White woman is constantly being smacked around in the film, usually right after saying the N-Word. And the movie ends with her being lynched by a salt-and-pepper team:



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_azKfm4k9o


    Implicit message: For racial harmony to reign between Blacks and Whites, the White woman must be exterminated?

    “Jennifer Jason Leigh’s bigoted Southern White woman is constantly being smacked around in the film, usually right after saying the N-Word.”

    Jennifer Jason Leigh is still hot, especially for a woman in her late 50s.

    “Implicit message: For racial harmony to reign between Blacks and Whites, the White woman must be exterminated?”

    Tim Pool said Communist Antifa told him moderate Liberals like himself get the bullet too.

    In the coalition of the fringes Beckys get the bullet too, unless you are Hillary Clinton since they all voted for her.

  180. @Anon
    You are a terrible person.

    Terribly handsome.

  181. @Mookie
    Django was an awesome movie, set in the past. It triggered a lot of right-wing white people, but not left wingers.

    Left wingers were triggered by Trayvon Martin and Ferguson and Obama and Holder's remarks about them.

    Left wingers were also triggered by the rise of Stormfront online, which was right-wingers triggered by the fact there was a black president.

    In general, this country couldn't handle a black president. Tarantino had nothing to do with it.

    Stormfront – lol!

    Did you only just graduate from JIDF training camp?

    • Troll: Jack Hanson
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Yeah I’m afraid there’s no Buckner here to save him from his own sub-mediocrity.
    , @Lurker
    Hey, 'Jack Hanson'. Popping up on a well-established forum where you have yet to make a single comment and accusing me of being a troll is the weakest tier trolling imaginable. Makes Mookie look like a veteran!
  182. @Anonymous

    Nothing good about that foolishly naive white.
     
    Noah Smith is Jewish.

    I was responding to the commenter that called him a goodwhite.

    BTW, better get your tracks covered – not a good time to be an out anti-Semite.

  183. @Cagey Beast
    Sounds like a lot of the people on unz.com.

    That's true but then what should we do about it? The mass media and mass culture have already insisted Jews are leading characters in history, politics and social life. White Nationalists will chatter endlessly about Jews, with or without our assistance. So now what? Isn't it better to continue to demystify Jews and Jewish power rather than carry on with the same old plays that got us here?

    “Isn’t it better to continue to demystify Jews and Jewish power”

    No, it is best to love and intermarry with Jews, unifying God’s ancient and modern chosen peoples.

    • Replies: @anon
    be a good boy, don't think for yourself
    , @Desiderius
    "There is no beautifier of complexion, or form, or behavior, like the wish to scatter joy and not pain around us."

    - Virgil
    , @BB753
    "No, it is best to love and intermarry with Jews, unifying God’s ancient and modern chosen peoples."

    Just as long as the children are brought up Jewish and the intermarriage consists of a male Jew and a trophy shiksa, right?

    BTW, which are the modern chosen people?
    , @istevefan
    Did Ivanka renounce Christ?
    , @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    it is best to love and intermarry with Jews, unifying God’s ancient and modern chosen peoples.
     
    http://www.unz.com/article/review-the-jesuit-order-as-a-synagogue-of-jews/
    , @Reg Cæsar
    That girl has Grandpa's smile. Or is it grimace?
  184. @Anonymous

    2) A generation finally came of age whose lives were shaped by two seminal post-2000 disasters, the Iraq war and the financial crisis, both of which were the fault of the Bush administration
     
    The Democrats were just as supportive of the Iraq War and the policies that led to the financial crisis as the Republicans were.

    The Democrats were just as supportive of the Iraq War and the policies that led to the financial crisis as the Republicans were.

    Absolutely true–and it doesn’t matter. The president and his party takes the heat. And the media will always blame Republicans.

    Media spin:

    When a Democrat targets Republicans, he’s a crazy nut job who needs help and should be dispatched to anonymity.

    When a crazy nut job targets Democrats, he’s a Republican whose name will be plastered across media 24/7.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    As with today's tragedy: a leftist who shoots elected officials at a baseball practice is an evil white man, and so is a Phillipino, and so is this guy. It is an unbroken sea of evil white conservative male faces, whether they were or not, and news laws and positions are called for.
  185. OT Re Pittsburgh, it is entirely possible that “evil white man” events will happen every day until the election, and the best defense against this stuff is to recognize it for what it is and recognize people’s right to carry weapons.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Or maybe Occam's Razors suggests it really was an evil white man?
  186. @Corvinus
    "Evidence keeps accumulating that the liberal half of America took a sudden swerve into political extremism and psychological problems around 2013."

    You mean you keep propping up a false premise for your fan bois and fan girlz. Remember, you had said “Warning: don’t take any single psychological finding as Gospel" when it came to Jonathan Haidt and Greg Lukianoff in their book citing a research study in relation to "America seems to be going through a nervous breakdown". Apparently, you conveniently forgot your caveat and are now tripling down, even linking to two of your own posts as "evidence".

    Speaking of psychological research, I am sure that the fine readers here realize…

    how conservatives are less likely to compromise and tend to view the world as a more threatening place because their brains predispose them to being fearful.

    https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(11)00289-2

    -and-

    how conservatives are significantly more likely to be swayed by politicians’ alarmist claims.

    http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0956797617692108

    Perhaps these two studies offer insight as to why since 2012 there has been a conservative mental health breakdown in the American political scene, with a link to the meteoric rise of the Alt Right and its own peddling of victimization.

    Again, everyone, it's just Sailer's third rule of journalism in action–Always quickly follow up an initial post with another post to ensure the lede from the first post is further buried and to solidify a premise that will be used as Alt Right fodder.

    Corvinus wrote:

    Speaking of psychological research, I am sure that the fine readers here realize…

    how conservatives are less likely to compromise and tend to view the world as a more threatening place because their brains predispose them to being fearful.

    But, Corvy, you know some history, right? Isn’t the world in fact a pretty “threatening place” when viewed in historical perspective?

    Indeed, almost every human who has ever lived has ended up dead, and I hear it is just a matter of time for those of us who are around currently. The fact that humans have gone to a lot of trouble to deny this obvious fact (e.g., with organized religions) is pretty telling, don’t you think?

    I’m not being facetious here. As the old song says,

    The game of life is hard to play
    Gonna lose it anyway
    The losin’ card I’ll someday lay…

    I’m not a particularly depressed person myself, but I have wondered if maybe only depressed people are truly sane!

    • Replies: @donut
    " but I have wondered if maybe only depressed people are truly sane!"

    It's a nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there .
  187. @Anonymous
    The end has a fun scene where Django uses his horse like he was doing a motorcycle tyre burnout to impress his just liberated girlfriend. That and blowing away the white sister with a Colt, which has the effect of ripping her body out of the scene as if she had been yanked away by a rope. ARF!

    Otherwise it is basically a Pulp/Nazi revenge fantasy movie with switched roles where you can cheer as degenerate un-aryan corpses accumulate.

    And Tarantino knows that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojB5fpoeQ2c

    This Tarantino-made fake German propaganda film “Stolz der Nation” contains a number of errors; I wonder how many of them were deliberate. At 0:04, “Ministerium fuer Volksaufklaerung Und Propaganda” has an erroneous uppercase “Und”, and is printed in a font that is easy to read for modern Anglos, not in true Frakturschrift (e.g., compare the lowercase “a” and “s”); see

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraktur_(Schrift)#/media/File:Lesehilfe_Fraktur.svg

    And in the StarWars-like introductory text, why is the surname of DR. JOSEPH GOEBBLES misspelled? Among the names in the credits, there are probably a lot of inside jokes.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    I wouldn't give Tarantino the benefit of the doubt by suggesting his errors may be intentional. Django Unchained opens with a title card that says, “1858 ... Two years before the Civil War.”

    http://takimag.com/article/tarantino_explained_steve_sailer/#axzz5VEd76wDq
  188. @Anon
    "And the movie ends with her being lynched by a salt-and-pepper team."

    Can't wait for the Hollywood movie where rapist child murderer Leo Frank gets lynched in the end after trying to incite a lynch mob against the innocent black guy. 3....2.... oh, never mind.

    "here’s a summary of his postings on social media."

    We may be entering a new phase where white men, instead of suiciding themselves, end up going out in a blaze of glory. We saw something like this back during the depression when mobsters, instead of letting themselves get caught, had a tendency to fight it out.

    Endless racial hate of whites tends to radicalize people. THAT should be the narrative we promote from this, that racist anti-white messaging from the elite media is responsible for stuff like that. It has the virtue of being true, too.

    yes – the media have been creating this environment since at least Trayvon Martin

  189. @Lot
    Just how many gay-prostitute meth dealers are there in Wyoming?

    When I lived in Colorado, I was told an amusing anecdote about Wyoming: Where men are men, and sheep run scared.

    I’ve no personal knowledge of such…

    • Replies: @Pericles
    Colorado: Lawful weed and lawful street shitting. Great place.
  190. @International Jew
    The shooter's name is Robert Bowers and here's a summary of his postings on social media:
    https://heavy.com/news/2018/10/robert-bowers-social-media-rob-gab/

    Sounds like a lot of the people on unz.com.

    You’re right, all criticism of Israel is one homogeneous shriek. Clearly the right thing to do is to censor people who disagree with you because there’s no way that has already massively backfired several times.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    You’re right, all criticism of Israel is one homogeneous shriek. Clearly the right thing to do is to censor people who disagree with you because there’s no way that has already massively backfired several times.
     
    Good post. It's interesting how the knee-jerk attitude of a number of Jews who post here is to Shut It Down--shut down speech and discussion and debate and criticism.

    One would think that a more promising and sustainable pathway to peace in our society might be to Shut Immigration Down. It's a shame that more Jews do not direct their energies toward that policy objective instead.
  191. …many ‘historical white guilt’ films…

    Aren’t most films today out of Hollywood ‘White guilt films’, especially if there’s a POC of any sort also featured?

  192. @Jefferson
    "Combine that success with the bitterness of the appallingly bad 2013 job market and you get the attitudes which emerged that year."

    So the 2013 bad job market was blamed on White Republicans and not Barack Hussein Obama? Was Obama just an empty suit in 2013?

    Obama has been just an empty suit his entire life.

  193. “Of course. Also a weebo.”

    Weebs exist because America abolished itself. People have a natural tendency to want to belong to something higher than themselves. Since the Empire no longer has a viable, unified national culture, people seek their higher meaning somewhere elsewhere. It’s not surprising in the least.

  194. @Anonymous
    What percentage of the population is black?

    c. 16% or so if you include mixed

    (nb that percentage will be significantly larger among the younger age demographic who are responsible for most violent crime)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_London#2011_Census

  195. @candid_observer
    I've argued before that there seems to be something inherent to Identity Politics that is some kind of socio-politico-emotional Attractor, drawing people in with surprising power.

    Religion is like that. It's hard to understand just what it is about religion that pulls in so many people. Scott Atran tries to capture the various components in human beings that might account for that appeal, but it seems to be a mishmash of many things. This may likewise be true of Identity Politics, and indeed Identity Politics may engage many of the same vectors.

    The self-hating white thing today strikes me as akin to the Flagellants:

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06089c.htm

    In any case, if Identity Politics does have this sort of inherent drawing power, probably any number of events can kick it off, if otherwise circumstances are ripe.

    Tarantino may well have been among the first to push us over the top. For Tarentino,, as always, nothing succeeds like excess.

    candid_observer wrote:

    I’ve argued before that there seems to be something inherent to Identity Politics that is some kind of socio-politico-emotional Attractor, drawing people in with surprising power.

    Individual human beings are kind of weak and puny; human life is insecure. If you feel part of something bigger than yourself, you feel better, even if it does not do you any concrete good.

    And, if there are some clever political entrepreneurs out there, they may even give you a few freebies if you participate in their Identity Politics, though they are likely to skim off most of the benefits for themselves.

    candid_observer also wrote:

    Religion is like that. It’s hard to understand just what it is about religion that pulls in so many people.

    Same thing, but combined with the fear of death. Takes a rather hard-nosed, stubborn rationalism to resist it all. Most people are not that stubbornly rational.

    Before modern liberal ideology, the weakness of human beings seemed pretty obvious to almost everyone, even among rationalists, (e.g., Edward Gibbon or Hume). I’ve always wondered how most intellectuals today ignore these obvious facts about human beings.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    I’ve always wondered how most intellectuals today ignore these obvious facts about human beings.
     
    Their predecessors learned about it growing up in church.

    Ignorance of religion and it’s function is irrational.
  196. @Anonymous

    2) A generation finally came of age whose lives were shaped by two seminal post-2000 disasters, the Iraq war and the financial crisis, both of which were the fault of the Bush administration
     
    The Democrats were just as supportive of the Iraq War and the policies that led to the financial crisis as the Republicans were.

    Not on elite (sic) campuses. At Princeton they couldn’t find anyone to argue the pro-war side at panel debates in the run up to the war.

    I was shocked when I arrived there in fall 2001 how rancid the anti-white/west/American the atmosphere was, especially re: race.

    My take at the time was that Clinton resurrected the evil Left to save himself from impeachment. His election had been predicated on marginalizing them.

  197. @Lot
    "Isn’t it better to continue to demystify Jews and Jewish power"

    No, it is best to love and intermarry with Jews, unifying God's ancient and modern chosen peoples.

    https://leewoof.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/interfaith-wedding-ceremony.jpg?w=605

    http://2xkcvt35vyxycuy7x23e0em1a5g.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Ivanka-Trump-kids-and-Kushner.jpg

    be a good boy, don’t think for yourself

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    He is thinking for himself.

    Most Jews who don't care about outmarrying are violently opposed to all the Trumps, and vice versa. Likewise those pictures are unlikely to be popular with too many here for various reasons.

    I think they're unquestionably beautiful as is his sentiment. You got a better plan?
  198. @PhysicistDave
    candid_observer wrote:

    I’ve argued before that there seems to be something inherent to Identity Politics that is some kind of socio-politico-emotional Attractor, drawing people in with surprising power.
     
    Individual human beings are kind of weak and puny; human life is insecure. If you feel part of something bigger than yourself, you feel better, even if it does not do you any concrete good.

    And, if there are some clever political entrepreneurs out there, they may even give you a few freebies if you participate in their Identity Politics, though they are likely to skim off most of the benefits for themselves.

    candid_observer also wrote:

    Religion is like that. It’s hard to understand just what it is about religion that pulls in so many people.
     
    Same thing, but combined with the fear of death. Takes a rather hard-nosed, stubborn rationalism to resist it all. Most people are not that stubbornly rational.

    Before modern liberal ideology, the weakness of human beings seemed pretty obvious to almost everyone, even among rationalists, (e.g., Edward Gibbon or Hume). I've always wondered how most intellectuals today ignore these obvious facts about human beings.

    I’ve always wondered how most intellectuals today ignore these obvious facts about human beings.

    Their predecessors learned about it growing up in church.

    Ignorance of religion and it’s function is irrational.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    Desiderius wrote to me:

    Their predecessors learned about ]human nature] growing up in church.

    Ignorance of religion and it’s function is irrational.
     
    Probably true on both counts.

    Of course, that does not mean religion is true. Indeed, given the plethora of mutually inconsistent religions, most have to be false in many of their details.

    But, that leaves open the possibility that, where widely varying religions are in agreement, they may have a point.

    One of the problems, I fear, is that too many people, eager to throw out some of the obviously nonsensical aspects of religion, have also rejected the common-sense view of human nature that most religions have shared -- e.g., that there are certain natural differences between males and females, that sex is connected to reproduction, that human beings are often viciously violent, etc.

    There is no reason that such common-sense observations should be limited to religious believers: indeed, they would appear to be part of any objective, hard-nosed, scientific description of the human species.

    But, liberal ideology tends to dismiss such facts as "religion."
  199. @Jefferson
    "Combine that success with the bitterness of the appallingly bad 2013 job market and you get the attitudes which emerged that year."

    So the 2013 bad job market was blamed on White Republicans and not Barack Hussein Obama? Was Obama just an empty suit in 2013?

    So the 2013 bad job market was blamed on White Republicans and not Barack Hussein Obama? Was Obama just an empty suit in 2013?

    By this point, the media simply did not criticize The Great Black Hope. He was off limits to MSM criticism and by extension low information, apolitical “normies.”

    Kids fresh out of college just figured not being able to get a job was normal, so they just drifted into bar tending and barista work without putting any blame on Obama.

    Amongst older folks not employed in the Educational-Industrial-Medical Complex outside of college towns and big urban areas, there was broad discontent, but these people don’t count and really don’t exist to the MSM.

  200. @Intelligent Dasein

    The self-hating white thing today strikes me as akin to the Flagellants:
     
    And with that, the list of cartoonishly inapposite analogies gains another entrant.

    Where do you see the slightest evidence that any of these virtue signalling Leftist bobos have undertaken any degree of personal mortification and penance in order to expiate the sin of racism? On the contrary, virtue signalling is a delight for them. It is refined intellectual vanity and sadist enjoyment. Since racism is defined as uniquely evil, anybody who goes crusading against this scourge arrogates to himself the right to torture, kill, and destroy with impunity, which most people find rather pleasurable. Movies like Django Unchained are exactly what they desire to see and do and feel. This is the very opposite of the penitential attitude.

    The purpose of the term “self-hating” white, borrowed as it is from the Jews, is exactly the same as their use of it. Ron Unz does not hate himself, though some Jews would choose to term him thus. Likewise, when we use it, it is a weaponized term.

    The idea is that for a white to hold an anti-white view, they must hate themselves. If the term sends them into paroxysms of indignant explanation, so much the better. One might then respond “U mad, bro?” and leave it at that.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    It doesn’t function that way. It just makes you look clueless. Likewise “white guilt.”
  201. Anon[273] • Disclaimer says:

    “But, Corvy, you know some history, right?”

    Corvinius is probably the worst poster I’ve seen here on iSteve. He contributes little while also having this bizarre, hostile, tone to some of the strange rants he posts. I imagine him as a washed up middle-school teacher who can’t afford WiFi, so he ends up posting from his laptop using the McDonald’s free WiFi at the end of a hard day of cognitive dissonance. That would explain the hostility and fixation with a blog like this one (“attack the messenger that tells me what I know to be true but wish were not”), which ordinarily would seem like an unlikely place for a guy like him.

    • Agree: res
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    He’s a paid advocate for the offense.
    , @Jim Don Bob

    Corvinius is probably the worst poster I’ve seen here on iSteve.
     
    Right! And that's a pretty low bar!

    He and TD are the only two posters I never read.

    Some of the rest of you are on probation, so be careful.
    , @Anonymous
    Corvinus admitted a while ago he would like to see immigration reduced. So he's a secret Trump supporter who would be lynched by his fellow lefties if they ever find out. Why else do you think he hangs out with us deplorables?
    , @Corvinus
    "Corvinius is probably the worst poster I’ve seen here on iSteve. He contributes little while also having this bizarre, hostile, tone to some of the strange rants he posts. I imagine him as a washed up middle-school teacher who can’t afford WiFi, so he ends up posting from his laptop using the McDonald’s free WiFi at the end of a hard day of cognitive dissonance. That would explain the hostility and fixation with a blog like this one (“attack the messenger that tells me what I know to be true but wish were not”), which ordinarily would seem like an unlikely place for a guy like him."

    Code for "I wish I could make cogent arguments the way he does."

    "Corvinus admitted a while ago he would like to see immigration reduced."

    Exactly.

    "So he's a secret Trump supporter who would be lynched by his fellow lefties if they ever find out. Why else do you think he hangs out with us deplorables?"

    Not a fan of Trump nor Shitlery. And I am a normie, aka the mushy middle. I make my own decisions about race and culture. And I "hang out with the deplorables" here because I enjoy debate. You?
  202. @Lot
    "Sounds like a lot of the people on unz.com"

    He's a single male computer programmer Holocaust denier/Jewspiracy fan.

    Also thinks the Mossad killed JFK.

    https://i.imgur.com/Ns1NUQe_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

    Hmm, anyone on Unz.com fit that description?

    Sounds like Wally or Charles Pewitt LOL

    Personally I find those guys good for a laugh, I don’t mind reading what they have to say. But then again that’s why I’m just writing a comment and not shooting up a synagogue, I try not to take that shit too seriously.

  203. @Lurker
    Stormfront - lol!

    Did you only just graduate from JIDF training camp?

    Yeah I’m afraid there’s no Buckner here to save him from his own sub-mediocrity.

  204. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Of course the irony, or the elephant in the room, is that the meltdown started during Obama's second term. If anything, wouldn't having a black president in the White House have helped improve racial relations and not made them worse? Isn't that how Obama was originally sold to the electorate in 2008, that he would help heal the racial divide? Instead as soon as he gets re-elected the opposite occurs.

    Barack Hussein Obama still pulled out the “I’m Oppressed By Institutional Racism” card even when he was the most powerful person on earth from January 2009 until January 2017. So that is why he did not help improve race relations. How the hell can you still play the I’m oppressed card when you have access to the nation’s nuclear codes.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Because the CIA and FBI is lead by evil whiteys. As the institutions are controlled by non-peoples of color, the institutions are still racist. And of course he is the chief victim.
  205. @Anon
    "But, Corvy, you know some history, right?"

    Corvinius is probably the worst poster I've seen here on iSteve. He contributes little while also having this bizarre, hostile, tone to some of the strange rants he posts. I imagine him as a washed up middle-school teacher who can't afford WiFi, so he ends up posting from his laptop using the McDonald's free WiFi at the end of a hard day of cognitive dissonance. That would explain the hostility and fixation with a blog like this one ("attack the messenger that tells me what I know to be true but wish were not"), which ordinarily would seem like an unlikely place for a guy like him.

    He’s a paid advocate for the offense.

  206. I suppose I care more about art than society. So few good movies are made anymore that even if I knew a Tarantino movie would destroy society, I’d take it.

    Maybe you disagree, but, if so, don’t ever claim you care more about movies than I do.

  207. @Anonym
    The purpose of the term "self-hating" white, borrowed as it is from the Jews, is exactly the same as their use of it. Ron Unz does not hate himself, though some Jews would choose to term him thus. Likewise, when we use it, it is a weaponized term.

    The idea is that for a white to hold an anti-white view, they must hate themselves. If the term sends them into paroxysms of indignant explanation, so much the better. One might then respond "U mad, bro?" and leave it at that.

    It doesn’t function that way. It just makes you look clueless. Likewise “white guilt.”

    • Replies: @Anonym
    It doesn’t function that way. It just makes you look clueless. Likewise “white guilt.”

    The other, and I think main purpose is for the rest of the re-emerging in-group of whites. It is so that they treat the self-haters like poor lost souls who are basically retarded or mentally ill. It is for eventual ostracization, disrespect, contempt, etc.

    It is already a minority of whites who vote Democrat. That proportion seems to be shrinking. So you have non-whites + Jews + shrinking fraction of self-haters.
  208. @AndrewR
    Lots of factors. As has been pointed out: they felt they no longer needed to pretend to be reasonable and compassionate. And as some have pointed out, the OWS movement circa 2011 scared the plutocrats into funding and promoting race and sex obsessed SJWs who don't give a rat's ass about economic issues.

    Wasn’t Steve going on about this only recently?

  209. @Pericles
    The odd thing about The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo is that the book got such attention. It's really an amazingly poorly written thing, both in plot and style (and fetishes) like something a high schooler or middle schooler would come up with, except I suppose it's long and possibly more perverted than what the usual school child is capable of. Yet it was translated and there were serious reviews among the international literati in all the right papers, and later on there was that movie. Astounding.

    Perhaps there was a latent need for anti-Nazi propaganda? A lull in the storm? Changing the title probably helped, perhaps the translation was a thing of beauty. And someone out there certainly slam dunked their marketing budget.

    The odd thing about The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo is that the book got such attention. It’s really an amazingly poorly written thing,

    Right.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Mismatch doesn’t just afflict blacks.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    I could hardly sit through the movie. I later forced myself to read the first few pages of the book in a local bookstore. The prose was so dreadful I didn't know whether to laugh or cry and I'm a reading addict who can plod through some pretty dreadful contemporary best sellers.
  210. @Beliavsky
    With a Republican Trump fan just apprehended for sending pipe bombs to Democratic politicians and CNN commentators, will Sailer have the intellectual honesty to talk about how Trump is inflaming the crazies on the right? Or do we just talk about the crazies on the left, who I agree are a growing problem.

    Trump is a counterattacker. The reason he’s here at all is that y’all had a pre-existing problem.

  211. @Steve Sailer
    The odd thing about The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo is that the book got such attention. It’s really an amazingly poorly written thing,

    Right.

    Mismatch doesn’t just afflict blacks.

  212. Anon[359] • Disclaimer says:

    “When a Democrat targets Republicans, he’s a crazy nut job who needs help and should be dispatched to anonymity. When a crazy nut job targets Democrats, he’s a Republican whose name will be plastered across media 24/7.”

    When Sarah Palin uses gun sights on an internet map = “boo, promotion of terrorism.”

    When the SPLC uses gun sights on an internet map spotlighting their enemies, something that causes an actual terrorist attack at one of those locations = “yawn, old news.”

    When a right-winger guy shoots up a Synagogue = “Trump’s fault.”

    When a left-winger shoots up a bunched republican congressmen = “event x happened at time y and at location z. Boring, boring, boring, let’s move on.”

    NBC employee Megyn Kelly makes comment on black face = “fire the racist.”

    ABC employee Jimmy Kimmel is revealed to have actually dressed in black face = “yawn, that’s different because XYZ.”

    Trump defends his constituents against endless racist media attacks = “Trump’s rhetoric.”

    Slate Magazine publishes an articled entitled “Let’s Blow Up Mount Rushmore” = “What? I never heard of that. *Memory holed*

    I think this illustrates how dangerous it is to let the enemy monopolize our media into just three cities: NY-LA-DC. We need to actively organize and change that. We need our own journalists, our own networks, our own system.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    We need our own journalists, our own networks, our own system.
     
    You're looking at it.
    , @Anon
    Liberals, mostly with regard to white liberals, are not convinced by the exposure of the double standard. If you believe you are on the "right side of history", then your opponent should eagerly agree to "partisan sportsmanship" so they are not damned for eternity.

    With non-white leftists, its a simple demand for retribution, which whites have no recourse to other than surrender, not even Rich Lowry sportsmanship will suffice.
  213. @Forbes

    virtue signalling is a delight for them. It is refined intellectual vanity and sadist enjoyment.
     
    Yes. I've been saying for some time, so-called virtue-signaling is a misnomer. It is vanity signaling.

    Virtue is an inner discipline--it's what you do when no one is looking. It's personal self-control and modesty.

    Boastful pride is not a virtue--but virtue-signaling is just that.

    Virtue regards conduct, not speech.

    That’s gold box worthy. Profound insight concisely expressed.

  214. @bucky
    It isn't so much that something happened in 2013 but that a culmination of events prior to 2013 resulted in a tipping point. The answer actually is obvious.

    Ta-Nehasi Coates.

    He came out with the reparations article around this time. His perch at the Atlantic gave him a very big platform. His influence among the journalists in urban areas is massive, and that gradually has shifted coverage to what it is today.

    Underrated.

    SJW types treat every word TNC writes as manna from heaven, revelations to be cherished and spread.

    I never saw anything quite like it.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    If Ta-Nehisi Coates wanted to start a cult compound in South America like Jim Jones did in the 1970s, a shitload of White Lefties would follow him there because he has a huge cult following among the "Good Whites".
    , @bomag

    ...revelations to be cherished and spread.
     
    Indeed.

    Thing is, underlying all this "power to the POC" theme is a promise/belief that even better times are going to roll off this investment: better doctors; lawyers; computer programmers; better music; Cathedrals will soar ever higher with more beauty; etc.

    Alas, word from the front is not so encouraging: water supplies are tainted with lead; music is derivative; math problems are not being solved. It is dawning on some that the Emperor might not have any clothes instead of the anatomically correct body suit that the press claims.

    So the cult has a bit of a crisis, and the phase now is to double down and burn some heretics.
  215. @Peter Akuleyev
    vidence keeps accumulating that the liberal half of America took a sudden swerve into political extremism and psychological problems around 2013.

    No, the real story is that as it became more and more obvious that a black liberal was turning out to be a popular and potentially successful President, powerful groups with vested economic and social interests in the status quo decided to undermine the left and Obama in particular at every opportunity. To be sure, there are plenty of idiots and America haters on the left, but then, there always have been. The left in 2013 was far less insane and anti-American than the left in the 1970s, or the 1930s. But a lot of very peripheral racial and sexually tinged nonsense was elevated by pundits and politicians, Steve included, into major drama to make it impossible for Obama to get credit for economic growth, torpedo what would have been a very successful health care reform, and ensure that no one on Wall Street ever pays for the general lawlessnes and corruption that led to the 2008 crisis.

    Trump is a master at this. The „caravan“ is an incredibly marginal event. But Trump needs to keep the electorate distracted from his corruption, tax dodging, failure to address the opiate crisis and massive transfer of wealth to the GOP donor class. The tragedy of American working and middle class whites is that demagogues have always been able to use social issues as a distraction while fleecing the rubes. Nothing has changed since Mark Twain‘s day.

    The left has been insane since the French revolution. The Jacobins were the first modern leftists, The came Karl Marx and communism: Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, North Korea, Vietnam. And in France, predominantly, Sartre and his paramour, the first “radical feminist,” Derrida, Foucalt, Lacan, deconstructionism, etc.

    Racially, the American left has been insane since the rise of the “new left” in the 1960′s, saint MLK and his assassination, the election of JFK and his assassination, the Civil Rights Act, the Nation of Islam, the black panthers, the leftist control of the public schools, colleges and universities, the mass-media, criminal justice -all of this and more inducing an orgy of white guilt and masochism and an explosion of black violence and criminality ( murders, rapes, muggings, assaults, riots, etc.) that will never cease but only grow more pernicious.

    And the Immigration Act of 1965 which led, inexorably, given the insanity of not only the left but also most of the right, to an invasion of Mestizos and pure Amerindians from Mexico and Central America that will soon transform the United States into a nonwhite-majority country in which Eur0pean-Americans will be an increasingly dispossessed and persecuted minority -with the exception of the rich and affluent who’ll live in gated communities that will remain 80-90% white with large minorities of wealthy “Asians” and have the money and means to flee the country, the nation and society they’ve destroyed, if their power and riches are threatened.

  216. According to a 1967 government report sponsored by the Surgeon General, the black homicide rate began to rise in 1962 after a long decline.

    Do you have a link to that, Steve? When was the pre-1962 peak? I’m interested in black crime rates, generally, prior to the 1960s, but the data is fragmentary and difficult to assess.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Follow the link from my blog to the original Taki's Magazine piece, where I gave the links. It's a pretty interesting old-time government report on murder stats.
  217. @Raphael
    That's a interesting thesis but the real tipping point for when the country descended into la-la land was the Trayvon Martin incident from 2012, and the 'national conversation' about race and all things SJW that it ignited. It will go down in history as the Dreyfus Affair 2.0, a watershed moment when fault lines crystallized and an inexorable polarization of the politically moderate masses followed.

    That’s a interesting thesis but the real tipping point for when the country descended into la-la land was the Trayvon Martin incident from 2012, and the ‘national conversation’ about race and all things SJW that it ignited. It will go down in history as the Dreyfus Affair 2.0, a watershed moment when fault lines crystallized and an inexorable polarization of the politically moderate masses followed.

    I think that moment occurred roughly 20 years prior to that. The real incidents that set the country irrevocably down the path of no return were the Rodney King riots, the OJ Simpson trial, and the Oklahoma City bombing.

    It all fell apart in the early ’90s. We passed through a glitch in the map and ever since then have been living on borrowed time.

  218. @Desiderius
    It doesn’t function that way. It just makes you look clueless. Likewise “white guilt.”

    It doesn’t function that way. It just makes you look clueless. Likewise “white guilt.”

    The other, and I think main purpose is for the rest of the re-emerging in-group of whites. It is so that they treat the self-haters like poor lost souls who are basically retarded or mentally ill. It is for eventual ostracization, disrespect, contempt, etc.

    It is already a minority of whites who vote Democrat. That proportion seems to be shrinking. So you have non-whites + Jews + shrinking fraction of self-haters.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    I understand your purpose. I'm telling you it serves the opposite. Post-whites laugh at your naivete in thinking that it is themselves they hate when they know it is you.
    , @Jefferson
    "It is already a minority of whites who vote Democrat."

    It maybe a minority but it is a very LARGE minority. Nationwide The Democratic Party averages about 40% of the White vote in presidential elections which is not chopped liver and nothing to sneeze at.


    If Whites voted in a monolithic bloc for The Republican Party than Donald Trump would have also won the popular vote.

    If Whites voted in a monolithic bloc for The GOP there is no way that very White states like Vermont, New Hampshire, Oregon, Minnesota, etc would still be Democratic Party strongholds.
  219. Anon[397] • Disclaimer says:

    “I suppose I care more about art than society. So few good movies are made anymore that even if I knew a Tarantino movie would destroy society, I’d take it.”

    We’re getting quite desperate, aren’t we? I agree about the movie quality thing, though. Inflating movie budgets, mass appeal, China appeal, and an ever lowering IQ American population willing to see any slop put in front of them has just killed the Hollywood blockbuster for me.

    “The odd thing about The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo …. It’s really an amazingly poorly written thing.”

    Same for Harry Potter and Twilight. Both are trash but appeal to a deep yearning for escapism among the public. In the case of Twilight, it was simply that there is an underserved market of heterosexual females who want to be romanced by alluring men. It’s not surprising the work originated from outside feminist-dominated LA. I imagine The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo appealed to a misguided fraction of the population wanting to lash out at somebody, anybody, for their problems in this current age of cultural and national disintegration, and since only whites are acceptable targets, they got the short end of the stick.

    “Barack Hussein Obama still pulled out the “I’m Oppressed By Institutional Racism” card even when he was the most powerful person on earth.”

    For some odd reason, that reminds me of the story where Gordon Brown stupidly gave Obama some rare artifact made from the wood of a slave ship and Obama gave him back a cheap picture of him and his wife.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Go see Free Solo.

    The movie First Man should have been.
  220. @Pericles
    The odd thing about The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo is that the book got such attention. It's really an amazingly poorly written thing, both in plot and style (and fetishes) like something a high schooler or middle schooler would come up with, except I suppose it's long and possibly more perverted than what the usual school child is capable of. Yet it was translated and there were serious reviews among the international literati in all the right papers, and later on there was that movie. Astounding.

    Perhaps there was a latent need for anti-Nazi propaganda? A lull in the storm? Changing the title probably helped, perhaps the translation was a thing of beauty. And someone out there certainly slam dunked their marketing budget.

    It’s Death Wish for progressives, isn’t it?

  221. @Steve Sailer
    The odd thing about The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo is that the book got such attention. It’s really an amazingly poorly written thing,

    Right.

    I could hardly sit through the movie. I later forced myself to read the first few pages of the book in a local bookstore. The prose was so dreadful I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry and I’m a reading addict who can plod through some pretty dreadful contemporary best sellers.

  222. @Henry's Cat

    According to a 1967 government report sponsored by the Surgeon General, the black homicide rate began to rise in 1962 after a long decline.
     
    Do you have a link to that, Steve? When was the pre-1962 peak? I'm interested in black crime rates, generally, prior to the 1960s, but the data is fragmentary and difficult to assess.

    Follow the link from my blog to the original Taki’s Magazine piece, where I gave the links. It’s a pretty interesting old-time government report on murder stats.

  223. @Autochthon
    That's nice. Of course, the reality is that southern Americans have long dominated the nation's military, including it's most dedicated, decorated, and effective members; they had a remarkably disproportionate effect crushing "Prussian gunnery" in two global wars.

    So that comment (and the silly movie it praises) is kind of like other masturbatory fantasies which turn reality upside down: clever Negresses were the heart of the space programme (white men were, and no African nation has an aeronautics industry, nevermind a space programme).

    TL;DR: The guy is gushing about how righteous it is to finally see a fat, ugly guy getting all the chicks and putting to rest the illusion that muscular, handsome guys get them. Sure....

    ” no African nation has an aeronautics industry, nevermind a space programme).”

    You’re wrong :

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    The guy in the centre of the screen in that video still reminded me of David Ruffin on this album cover. It's a good song too:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZTbJSmOWWc

    , @Glaivester
    I suggest you do a DuckDuckGo search for "African Space Program" with the SafeSearch off.

    It's funny.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    So Wakanda is real after all!
  224. @syonredux

    The progressives are just as crazy in the UK but black issues are very marginal here.
     
    You must not watch the BBC. Or read The Guardian....

    I one dated two chicks. Each one worked for each. Five year olds in adult bodies. I was young and they were physically attractive, but who wants to spend their life with an NPC?

  225. @Jefferson
    A lot of political pundits on television have moved even further to The Left after Donald Trump became POTUS.

    Juan Williams and Kirsten Powers for example used to be moderate Lefties when Obama and Bush Jr. were president. But since Donald Trump became president Kirsten Powers and Juan Williams have embraced Far Leftism. Donald Trump killed Moderate Leftism.

    Donald Trump killed Moderate Leftism.

    More like annexed it, or is trying to.

    If he is successful the Democratic Party as we know it will have to change substantially or die.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    If he is successful the Democratic Party as we know it will have to change substantially or die.
     
    Please ezplain why this would be so.
  226. Anon[397] • Disclaimer says:

    “So Black crime in London is roughly comparable to Black crime in the US, i.e. ~13% of the population responsible for about one-half the crimes.”

    Doesn’t that observation completely obliterate the argument that American slavery has something to do with high black crime rates? Or does the left not even bother to make that argument anymore? I imagine that virtually none of London’s blacks are the descendants of the Atlantic Slave Trade.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    I imagine that virtually none of London’s blacks are the descendants of the Atlantic Slave Trade.
     
    Many of them being from the Caribbean, they almost certainly were. Not that I'm defending the argument that slavery has anything to do with it.
  227. @J.Ross
    OT Re Pittsburgh, it is entirely possible that "evil white man" events will happen every day until the election, and the best defense against this stuff is to recognize it for what it is and recognize people's right to carry weapons.

    Or maybe Occam’s Razors suggests it really was an evil white man?

    • Agree: Roderick Spode
    • Replies: @Roderick Spode
    This could screw the GOP in November.
    , @J.Ross
    Sure is nice of them to spring into existence when the Democrats needed them most. This isn't even the first time they have been clumsy enough to use correcting follow-ups to cover publicly discussed mistakes. If this is a natural if horrible randomness, and societal skinned knees can undo the Constitution, then why have a Constitution?
    But none of this matters. The center of this issue -- the killing of minorities by whites being a world-stopping emergency and the killing of whites by minorities being a non-event -- doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is people learning to think tribally. Today, good white folks who would never hurt an innocent finally saw and comprehended the difference between victims deemed by the media to be worthy or worthless. Today more white people learned to think tribally. All the post-tribal accomplishments of civilization do not matter if they are followed by tribal thinkers. The moon landing will not save us. Insisting that our childrens' lives matter can save us.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    If I were Jewish, I would be packing 24/7/365. Sometimes they really are out to get you.
  228. @Anon
    "When a Democrat targets Republicans, he’s a crazy nut job who needs help and should be dispatched to anonymity. When a crazy nut job targets Democrats, he’s a Republican whose name will be plastered across media 24/7."

    When Sarah Palin uses gun sights on an internet map = "boo, promotion of terrorism."

    When the SPLC uses gun sights on an internet map spotlighting their enemies, something that causes an actual terrorist attack at one of those locations = "yawn, old news."

    When a right-winger guy shoots up a Synagogue = "Trump's fault."

    When a left-winger shoots up a bunched republican congressmen = "event x happened at time y and at location z. Boring, boring, boring, let's move on."

    NBC employee Megyn Kelly makes comment on black face = "fire the racist."

    ABC employee Jimmy Kimmel is revealed to have actually dressed in black face = "yawn, that's different because XYZ."

    Trump defends his constituents against endless racist media attacks = "Trump's rhetoric."

    Slate Magazine publishes an articled entitled "Let's Blow Up Mount Rushmore" = "What? I never heard of that. *Memory holed*"

    I think this illustrates how dangerous it is to let the enemy monopolize our media into just three cities: NY-LA-DC. We need to actively organize and change that. We need our own journalists, our own networks, our own system.

    We need our own journalists, our own networks, our own system.

    You’re looking at it.

  229. @Pericles
    The odd thing about The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo is that the book got such attention. It's really an amazingly poorly written thing, both in plot and style (and fetishes) like something a high schooler or middle schooler would come up with, except I suppose it's long and possibly more perverted than what the usual school child is capable of. Yet it was translated and there were serious reviews among the international literati in all the right papers, and later on there was that movie. Astounding.

    Perhaps there was a latent need for anti-Nazi propaganda? A lull in the storm? Changing the title probably helped, perhaps the translation was a thing of beauty. And someone out there certainly slam dunked their marketing budget.

    something a high schooler or middle schooler would come up with

    Girls mature (much) earlier than boys. That’s the personality they have the rest of their lives. See also the popularity of Harry Potter.

    • Replies: @Glaivester
    The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo was not written by a woman.
  230. @Anonym
    It doesn’t function that way. It just makes you look clueless. Likewise “white guilt.”

    The other, and I think main purpose is for the rest of the re-emerging in-group of whites. It is so that they treat the self-haters like poor lost souls who are basically retarded or mentally ill. It is for eventual ostracization, disrespect, contempt, etc.

    It is already a minority of whites who vote Democrat. That proportion seems to be shrinking. So you have non-whites + Jews + shrinking fraction of self-haters.

    I understand your purpose. I’m telling you it serves the opposite. Post-whites laugh at your naivete in thinking that it is themselves they hate when they know it is you.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    Maybe so. Due to the decreasing number of post-whites (they usually have few kids, and often those kids are non-white), they will be increasingly irrelevant. I know they hate me. I knew that from the beginning. I still maintain the term is effective though. You can have a differing of opinion, that's ok.

    It is the same basic thing with the term "cuck". most of whom we might term cucks do not invite the bull to their bedroom. It is not true per se. I guess it is the same way that communist propaganda is meant to humiliate. We learn from our enemies and adopt their methods where it makes sense to.
    , @notanon
    white liberals aren't all the same

    there are self-hating whites
    there are white guilt suburban soccer moms
    there are narcissist virtue-signalers
    there are paycheck liberals
    etc
  231. If you criticize George Soros or his ideas then you are the Pittsburgh shooter.

    https://twitter.com/freedarko/status/1056247951968808960

    Using innocent blood to justify ideology — never seen that before now have we? Previous stories: in the Forward a few days ago, an editorial conflating “anti-globalism” with anti-Semitism. Earlier: an observation that unprecedentedly high numbers of people no longer can sing “This Is My Land.”

    • Replies: @anon
    lol, its NEVER their behaviour
    , @Anon
    He writes for "GQ Magazine", why do we take fashion writers as political savants?

    Shall we note who owns that magazine:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance_Publications

    The anger would quickly dissipate if the owners of this company were to reverse their stands on invade/invite.
    , @larry lurker
    In fairness, "Soros" really kind of is shorthand for "the Jews," even if MAGA types like the unconquered Seminole Filipino don't realize it. I disagree with the rest of the tweet though.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    What about Jews who say things about Soros? Are they all self-haters, or do some of them see him for what he is and always has been?
    , @Reg Cæsar

    “Soros” is shorthand for “the Jews” and anyone who has ever said anything about Soros has blood on their hands.

     

    As is "the one percent" shorthand for Soros. So all those bitchy progs have red digits.

    Remember, unlike Republicans, the National Socialists supported the income tax. And women's suffrage.

    I can understand how Walton, Buffett, Gates, Jobs, Bezos and even Zuckerberg made their billions. But Soros? What the hell did he ever make?

  232. @Arclight
    I go with the theory that they thought with Obama's re-election they had won permanent cultural/political control, so no need for the moderate veneer. The idea that demographics would decisively tip the scales for the Dems has been around for quite awhile and frankly in 2013 I thought they were probably right.

    In my social media, my highly educated white liberal friends are the ones with the most insane political views and spend most of their posts lecturing everyone about various bogeymen like white supremacy, the patriarchy, etc. etc. I have plenty of friends who are on the left, black, white, whatever who you can have a civil discussion with, but the whites in the most elite social/economic positions with liberal views are far and away the most strident...and I think it's this group that felt most empowered by Obama's re-election.

    I think a combination of your comment and candid_observer’s mention of the religious impulse.

    So you had high SES goodwhite women mostly bringing about their religious utopia good and hard, once they thought they had the upper hand. women are the backbone of churches, and they adopted that role with PC and SJWism.

    The guy who wrote about Rowling, yes, that too and her influence as an SJW moralist is widespread. She kind of combined the effectiveness of worlds of Tolkien (fantasy) and Blyton (fantasy and stories about boarding schools) into an unholy propaganda force.

    Of course, elite Jews were pushing all this SJWism too. But on a local level, it was educated white women who were pushing it. If you attend a lecture at university, you don’t get much questioning of the professor from women. I will sit there and go “what is this BS?”, whereas most women just lap it up like it was a sermon. And you can see this in the only white demographic that went against Trump (just) – white women with college degrees.

    And just like Prohibition, it was a push for morality for its own sake, without strategy. They overplayed their hand, and midwifed the alt-right and Trump presidency into being. Pepe!

    They also failed to realize that mass immigration into white countries inevitably brings about a white racial consciousness.

    • Agree: Bubba, Desiderius
    • Replies: @Desiderius

    Of course, elite Jews were pushing all this SJWism too. But on a local level, it was educated white women who were pushing it.
     
    Outmarrying, non-practicing Jews largely, and desperate for the approval of those educated white women.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Interestingly, Diana Wynne-Jones, whose Chrestomanci stories combined magic and school stories long before Rowling, never became the phenomenon Rowling did. Wonder if it's because she threw in a wicked sense of humor instead of encouraging her readers to take her and themselves all too seriously....
  233. “no African nation has an aeronautics industry”

    Wrong.

  234. @Desiderius
    Nothing good about that foolishly naive white. Making America 1862 again.

    His namesake had a flood to wipe out all the genetic competition; Smith relies on the old standby of stirring up trouble Cirith Ungol style.

    Smith relies on the old standby of stirring up trouble Cirith Ungol style.

    ?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    How did Sam make it up the tower to save Frodo? Did he slay all those Orcs himself?

    Smith is trying to stir up ancient regional animosities among whites of a class he despises in hopes that they'll fight among themselves allowing him to conquer.
  235. @AndrewR
    Lots of factors. As has been pointed out: they felt they no longer needed to pretend to be reasonable and compassionate. And as some have pointed out, the OWS movement circa 2011 scared the plutocrats into funding and promoting race and sex obsessed SJWs who don't give a rat's ass about economic issues.

    On a related note, the term “political correctness” first came into common use following the 1987 share market crash and the early 90s recession. SJW activity does seem to spike when the excesses of financial elites come under criticism by economic leftists and populists. Early 90s SJW activity was also followed by a number of neoliberal economic reforms like NAFTA.

  236. Anon[397] • Disclaimer says:

    “You’re looking at it.”

    Well, I mean something more substantive: tv networks (both news and entertainment), movie production companies, comics, videogame companies, an alternative payment system to Pay Pal, an alternative to YouTube, think tanks, legal defense organizations, and an alternative internet structure, etc. Unz.com is welcome, but woefully primitive compared to our opposition. For the most part, this place succeeds mainly because it undermines the establishment narrative. We need an apparatus to grow beyond that and make our own narratives, and in the process, drive out theirs. That’s going to require conservatives to drop a lot of their Libertarian dogma.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    We need an apparatus to grow beyond that and make our own narratives, and in the process, drive out theirs.
     
    What would this "apparatus" look like? What would the steps be to get from here to there?
  237. @Steve Sailer
    Or maybe Occam's Razors suggests it really was an evil white man?

    This could screw the GOP in November.

    • Replies: @Lot
    I doubt it has any election effects. For one thing, up to half of the population in some areas have already voted.

    But for the rest, I just don't see the thought process where yet another mass shooting changes how someone votes.
    , @Jim Don Bob

    This could screw the GOP in November.
     
    I got $10 says the Rs hold the House. Proceeds to Steve. Any takers?
  238. @Desiderius
    I understand your purpose. I'm telling you it serves the opposite. Post-whites laugh at your naivete in thinking that it is themselves they hate when they know it is you.

    Maybe so. Due to the decreasing number of post-whites (they usually have few kids, and often those kids are non-white), they will be increasingly irrelevant. I know they hate me. I knew that from the beginning. I still maintain the term is effective though. You can have a differing of opinion, that’s ok.

    It is the same basic thing with the term “cuck”. most of whom we might term cucks do not invite the bull to their bedroom. It is not true per se. I guess it is the same way that communist propaganda is meant to humiliate. We learn from our enemies and adopt their methods where it makes sense to.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Maybe so. Due to the decreasing number of post-whites (they usually have few kids, and often those kids are non-white)"

    Whites are only 9% of South Africa's population and yet even there most Whites do not have Nonwhite children, let alone in The U.S where Whites are the majority.
  239. anon[349] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    And yet another fool who moralizes slavery.

    "Plantation slaves in America particularly the mid nineteenth century slaves on cotton plantations were probably the most humanely treated slaves anywhere in history...But those lucky enough to be taken to America had the best outcomes."

    Slavery is inhumane. Period. Ripping people from their homeland, putting them in chains, and forcing them to do brute labor is not "humane", no matter how you slice it. The "best outcome" was for whites to have picked their own damn cotton, not invaded and invited the world, and let the "darkies" live their own lives.

    "Slavery could be very cruel...There was virtually no violence against the slaves. Thousands of slaves would be supervised by a handful of unarmed whites. "

    No, slavery was exceptionally cruel. Of course there was violence against slaves.

    https://mises.org/library/brutality-slavery

    "How the Negro slaves were treated may be gauged by the diary of the aforementioned William Byrd II, who felt himself to be a kindly master and often inveighed against 'brutes who mistreat their slaves.' Typical examples of this kindly treatment were entered in his diary:

    2-8-09: Jenny and Eugene were whipped.
    5-13-09: Mrs. Byrd whips the nurse.
    6-10-09: Eugene (a child) was whipped for running away and had the bit put on him.
    11-30-09: Jenny and Eugene were whipped.
    12-16-09: Eugene was whipped for doing nothing yesterday.
    4-17-10: Byrd helped to investigate slaves tried for “High Treason”; two were hanged.
    7-1-10: The Negro woman ran away again with the bit in her mouth.
    7-15-10: My wife, against my will, caused little Jenny to be burned with a hot iron.
    8-22-10: I had a severe quarrel with little Jenny and beat her too much for which I was sorry."

    "But many people with poor economic prospects in their particular profession sold themselves into slavery. Slavery for a few was a good career choice in ancient Rome."

    A WILLING choice, compared to the brand of slavery found in the Americas.

    "White people handled slavery better than any other culture. We should be proud of our history as slavery."

    Since you seem to be ambivalent to slavery, why don't you sell your wife and/or kids into slavery and see what kind of life they lead? You can then prove to everyone that "white people" handle slavery "better".

    Idiot.

    “How the Negro slaves were treated may be gauged by the diary of the aforementioned William Byrd II, who felt himself to be a kindly master and often inveighed against ‘brutes who mistreat their slaves.’ Typical examples of this kindly treatment were entered in his diary:

    2-8-09: Jenny and Eugene were whipped.
    5-13-09: Mrs. Byrd whips the nurse.
    6-10-09: Eugene (a child) was whipped for running away and had the bit put on him.
    11-30-09: Jenny and Eugene were whipped.
    12-16-09: Eugene was whipped for doing nothing yesterday.
    4-17-10: Byrd helped to investigate slaves tried for “High Treason”; two were hanged.
    7-1-10: The Negro woman ran away again with the bit in her mouth.
    7-15-10: My wife, against my will, caused little Jenny to be burned with a hot iron.
    8-22-10: I had a severe quarrel with little Jenny and beat her too much for which I was sorry.”

    that doesnt sound like much, just every few months. How many slaves did they have?

    also remember that back then many parents spanked, and probably beat their children too, maybe with a belt as well.

    it was a different time

    also note that jews apparently were much more likely than whites to own slaves. its important to present a balanced view of history instead of just blaming the same old convenient group. For example maybe tell about the Arab slave trade?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "that doesnt sound like much, just every few months. How many slaves did they have?"

    It doesn't matter how many slaves he had, or the time between beatings. The fact remains Samuel Skinner is trying to moralize slavery and minimize its brutality.

    "also remember that back then many parents spanked, and probably beat their children too, maybe with a belt as well. it was a different time"

    Which does not make it justifiable.

    Considering an 1850 publication provided slaveholders with guidance on how to produce the "ideal slave":

    1. Maintain strict discipline and unconditional submission.
    2. Create a sense of personal inferiority, so that slaves "know their place."
    3. Instill fear.
    4. Teach servants to take interest in their master's enterprise.
    5. Deprive access to education and recreation, to ensure that slaves remain uneducated,
    helpless and dependent.

    Of course, it goes without saying that those northerners who had owned slaves prior to it being outlawed in the northern states also followed this advice. It's just that the Southron had decidedly more practice in these areas.

    "also note that jews apparently were much more likely than whites to own slaves."

    Niwdog’s Law—As an online discussion continues with multiple posters, the likelihood of a person making assertions that the Jews are behind everything in the world that is “bad” exponentially grows.

    Now, pay attention on this history lesson. From 1709-1807, there are 934 recorded voyages in which Rhode Island merchants were responsible for procuring 106,000 slaves. Now, Jews arrived in Newport as early as 1858. On the eve of the Revolution, they were estimated to be around thirty families. According to historical records Eli Faber used (e.g. naval office shipping lists, censuses, tax records) that identified merchants and planters as Jewish, there were 347 slave ships sent to Africa by Rhode Island slave traders from 1761-1774, with 21 being funded by Aaron Lopez, a Portuguese Jew. That means 326 voyages were underwritten by non-Jews during this time frame. Of course, Jews played a role in the peddling of human flesh. The extent in this particular case is nominal compared to other ethnic groups.
  240. @Anonym
    It doesn’t function that way. It just makes you look clueless. Likewise “white guilt.”

    The other, and I think main purpose is for the rest of the re-emerging in-group of whites. It is so that they treat the self-haters like poor lost souls who are basically retarded or mentally ill. It is for eventual ostracization, disrespect, contempt, etc.

    It is already a minority of whites who vote Democrat. That proportion seems to be shrinking. So you have non-whites + Jews + shrinking fraction of self-haters.

    “It is already a minority of whites who vote Democrat.”

    It maybe a minority but it is a very LARGE minority. Nationwide The Democratic Party averages about 40% of the White vote in presidential elections which is not chopped liver and nothing to sneeze at.

    If Whites voted in a monolithic bloc for The Republican Party than Donald Trump would have also won the popular vote.

    If Whites voted in a monolithic bloc for The GOP there is no way that very White states like Vermont, New Hampshire, Oregon, Minnesota, etc would still be Democratic Party strongholds.

    • Replies: @Lot
    The Somali Muslim takeover of large parts of metro Minneapolis has caused Minnesota to swing right quite quickly. It was so far left, one of the top 5 most leftist states, so it was still won by Hillary, but very close. Would Walter Mondale ever believe a national Democrat would do better in Virginia and Colorado than Minnesota?

    Minnesota will probably also be the only state where the GOP wins Democrat US House seats, possibly two of them.
  241. ““Soros” is shorthand for “the Jews” and anyone who has ever said anything about Soros has blood on their hands.”

    Friedman. Every time. These people have no self-awareness. Now, they promote reverse-blood libel to get their enemies.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    ““Soros” is shorthand for “the Jews” and anyone who has ever said anything about Soros has blood on their hands.”

    Friedman. Every time. These people have no self-awareness. Now, they promote reverse-blood libel to get their enemies.
     
    What if it is a term for Jews? Serious question - is it impermissible to talk about Jews?
  242. @donut
    " no African nation has an aeronautics industry, nevermind a space programme)."

    You're wrong :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4CGwSqrGq8

    The guy in the centre of the screen in that video still reminded me of David Ruffin on this album cover. It’s a good song too:

  243. ““Soros” is shorthand for “the Jews” and anyone who has ever said anything about Soros has blood on their hands.”

    Ah, so they’re going for the reverse Reichstag Fire angle: your freedom caused X, so we must get rid of said freedom to get rid of X.

  244. @IHTG
    The alt-right, screwing over Donald Trump since November 2016:

    https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/1056202451513208832/

    “Screw your optics, I’m going in.”

    Yes, it’s bad.

  245. @syonredux

    White hate and justified black retribution was also the theme in Tarantino’s next film “The Hateful Eight”. In that one the moral lesson is that a black man should not just kill whites but torture them to death. Tarantino is the kind of hate filled racist monster that he attributes to his grotesque white characters.
     
    You can also see The Hateful Eight as prescient on the anti-Becky issue. Jennifer Jason Leigh's bigoted Southern White woman is constantly being smacked around in the film, usually right after saying the N-Word. And the movie ends with her being lynched by a salt-and-pepper team:



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_azKfm4k9o


    Implicit message: For racial harmony to reign between Blacks and Whites, the White woman must be exterminated?

    Anti-Beckyism is also the message of Spike Lee’s recent KKK movie. It has an optimistic message that black and white men can come together in authoritarian institutions like the police force, but the real problem is evil white women.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    Anti-Beckyism can sometimes be a good thing because it resulted in lower Black voter turnout for Hillary Clinton. Anti-Beckyism helped get Donald Trump elected POTUS.
  246. @J.Ross
    If you criticize George Soros or his ideas then you are the Pittsburgh shooter.
    https://twitter.com/freedarko/status/1056247951968808960
    Using innocent blood to justify ideology -- never seen that before now have we? Previous stories: in the Forward a few days ago, an editorial conflating "anti-globalism" with anti-Semitism. Earlier: an observation that unprecedentedly high numbers of people no longer can sing "This Is My Land."

    lol, its NEVER their behaviour

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Why is it only political speech that criticizes certain people that magically guarantees violence? In fact, it's not. Having made what seemed like a reasonable hole in the Constitution for a tiny, brutalized people that seemed to truly need help, we discover powerful, numerous peoples gatecrashing and demanding the same exemption from criticism.
    It is certainly rich that certain of these self-professed victims should spend every waking moment attacking their saviors in the most vile ways, and constantly suborning our foundational principles and defaming our heroes, but somehow none of that is speech-violence.
  247. @Steve Sailer
    Or maybe Occam's Razors suggests it really was an evil white man?

    Sure is nice of them to spring into existence when the Democrats needed them most. This isn’t even the first time they have been clumsy enough to use correcting follow-ups to cover publicly discussed mistakes. If this is a natural if horrible randomness, and societal skinned knees can undo the Constitution, then why have a Constitution?
    But none of this matters. The center of this issue — the killing of minorities by whites being a world-stopping emergency and the killing of whites by minorities being a non-event — doesn’t matter. The only thing that matters is people learning to think tribally. Today, good white folks who would never hurt an innocent finally saw and comprehended the difference between victims deemed by the media to be worthy or worthless. Today more white people learned to think tribally. All the post-tribal accomplishments of civilization do not matter if they are followed by tribal thinkers. The moon landing will not save us. Insisting that our childrens’ lives matter can save us.

  248. @Steve Sailer
    Anti-Beckyism is also the message of Spike Lee's recent KKK movie. It has an optimistic message that black and white men can come together in authoritarian institutions like the police force, but the real problem is evil white women.

    Anti-Beckyism can sometimes be a good thing because it resulted in lower Black voter turnout for Hillary Clinton. Anti-Beckyism helped get Donald Trump elected POTUS.

  249. @anon
    lol, its NEVER their behaviour

    Why is it only political speech that criticizes certain people that magically guarantees violence? In fact, it’s not. Having made what seemed like a reasonable hole in the Constitution for a tiny, brutalized people that seemed to truly need help, we discover powerful, numerous peoples gatecrashing and demanding the same exemption from criticism.
    It is certainly rich that certain of these self-professed victims should spend every waking moment attacking their saviors in the most vile ways, and constantly suborning our foundational principles and defaming our heroes, but somehow none of that is speech-violence.

  250. @Peter Akuleyev
    vidence keeps accumulating that the liberal half of America took a sudden swerve into political extremism and psychological problems around 2013.

    No, the real story is that as it became more and more obvious that a black liberal was turning out to be a popular and potentially successful President, powerful groups with vested economic and social interests in the status quo decided to undermine the left and Obama in particular at every opportunity. To be sure, there are plenty of idiots and America haters on the left, but then, there always have been. The left in 2013 was far less insane and anti-American than the left in the 1970s, or the 1930s. But a lot of very peripheral racial and sexually tinged nonsense was elevated by pundits and politicians, Steve included, into major drama to make it impossible for Obama to get credit for economic growth, torpedo what would have been a very successful health care reform, and ensure that no one on Wall Street ever pays for the general lawlessnes and corruption that led to the 2008 crisis.

    Trump is a master at this. The „caravan“ is an incredibly marginal event. But Trump needs to keep the electorate distracted from his corruption, tax dodging, failure to address the opiate crisis and massive transfer of wealth to the GOP donor class. The tragedy of American working and middle class whites is that demagogues have always been able to use social issues as a distraction while fleecing the rubes. Nothing has changed since Mark Twain‘s day.

    So, the explosion of political correctness in c.2013 was an anti-Obama plot by big money anti-Obama interests that the Obama Administration naively backed?

    • Replies: @Lot
    Political correctness and angry SJWs cowed the traditional ways the smart leftists tampered down and hid the ids of their masses and radicals. Social media also undermined them.

    The most hateful and crazy leftists can now rise up from obscurity from Twitter retweets and facebook shares.

    Could "white tears" have ever entered the mass leftist vocabulary in early 90s? There was a similar moment then of leftist radicalization, but it petered out and by 1993 the face of the left was a bubba from Arkansas who liked Big Macs and Fleetwood Mac. That won't happen this time.
    , @Altai
    I still think it could be attributed to Twitter and Facebook. Twitter is a perfect mechanism for transmission of slogans and moral panics and in signalling what is or isn't 'okay'. Social media also allows a platform to showcase activism. (And for lazy or clickbait journos to take tiny campaigns and cover them like real ones) 2012 was the first election where these sites had begun to mature, legitimising large-scale political debate and virtue-signalling on the likes of Twitter or Facebook for people who might not have been very political previously. Causing actual (Or virtual) activists to intensify their rhetoric in response resulting in a spiral.

    Political debate was now taking place on platforms that young women tended to dominate. Whereas before it took place on nerdy highly male message boards. (Not that they had anywhere near the influence of modern social media)

    As people, particularly in younger generations, become more atomised and spend more time online, the social conformity pressures start to come less and less from their real friends and family and more from this virtual social group, which now includes dedicated political activists. People were basically being exposed to political propaganda that they otherwise wouldn't have sought out before or been passively exposed to and being asked or tacitly encouraged to participate in or endorse.

    , @Altai
    Another important thing to point out is that by 2012 Obama hadn't done anything. He was the ultimate neoliberal 'thirdway' hollowman. He even did the Libya intervention. (Though he should still get credit for not being John McCain and not giving them the war with Iran, however low a bar that is) He was elected with an expectation that he'd do something about the banks and just let them be to build up another bubble.

    There was thus no socioeconomic platform for him to campaign upon. With no will or ability to challenge the banks and even Obamacare being essentially a Cato Institute white paper, he had nothing left to fall back on other than SJW identity politics.

    This is not a problem unique to the US. Trudeau hasn't actually done anything other than legalise weed and import more and more foreigners. One can point to Clinton and Blair as the prototypes of 'thirdway' neoliberal hollowmen. The recent political shockwaves in Hungary were caused by the centre-left Prime Minister being caught expressing exasperation at the fact that they were facing an election despite having done nothing in their years in government precisely because they couldn't. Non-neoliberal policies just aren't allowed in the West (And in those parts of the East now under it's tutelage) and this makes centre-left parties completely pointless outside SJW identity politics.

    , @Guy De Champlagne
    I don't think there was ever any chance of Obama being a great progressive president. Obama is very much an american elite and there just isn't much appetite for liberal economic reforms among our elites. Democrats are playing the same basic racket as republicans, emphasizing divisive and emotional cultural issues to cover for unpopular economic ones.

    I don't think there is a freakout, rather liberals just won on so many cultural issues and so it was time to find new things to be pissed off about, and transexuals and illegal immigrants somehow became the new cause to rally around. It's just certain issues coming to the fore in the same way ones like gay marriage did before.
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    No, there simply was no "explosion of political correctness" in 2013. How would you even measure that?
  251. @Anonym
    Maybe so. Due to the decreasing number of post-whites (they usually have few kids, and often those kids are non-white), they will be increasingly irrelevant. I know they hate me. I knew that from the beginning. I still maintain the term is effective though. You can have a differing of opinion, that's ok.

    It is the same basic thing with the term "cuck". most of whom we might term cucks do not invite the bull to their bedroom. It is not true per se. I guess it is the same way that communist propaganda is meant to humiliate. We learn from our enemies and adopt their methods where it makes sense to.

    “Maybe so. Due to the decreasing number of post-whites (they usually have few kids, and often those kids are non-white)”

    Whites are only 9% of South Africa’s population and yet even there most Whites do not have Nonwhite children, let alone in The U.S where Whites are the majority.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    I've a zany anecdote for you. My wife, a (criolla) Colombiana was out with our son and some people were chatting ("Oh, what a cute baby you have!" – that kind of thing). Another child, a toddler, came trundling up, apparently not being minded well by his parents, and also covered in dirt and snot. The strangers (perhaps understandably) assumed this otherwise unsupervised child was also my wife's, and asked if it were. She made a face like she'd been asked if she were Oprah Winfrey or something equally obviously silly. She just gave a "C'mon!" look and said "Seriously? When you know this my baby? That other child isn't even white!" (The filthy toddler was a very dark mestizo or zambo.)

    I only heard it from her second-hand, but I laughed aloud to think how scandalised the people must have been....

  252. @Anon
    "So Black crime in London is roughly comparable to Black crime in the US, i.e. ~13% of the population responsible for about one-half the crimes."

    Doesn't that observation completely obliterate the argument that American slavery has something to do with high black crime rates? Or does the left not even bother to make that argument anymore? I imagine that virtually none of London's blacks are the descendants of the Atlantic Slave Trade.

    I imagine that virtually none of London’s blacks are the descendants of the Atlantic Slave Trade.

    Many of them being from the Caribbean, they almost certainly were. Not that I’m defending the argument that slavery has anything to do with it.

  253. @J.Ross
    If you criticize George Soros or his ideas then you are the Pittsburgh shooter.
    https://twitter.com/freedarko/status/1056247951968808960
    Using innocent blood to justify ideology -- never seen that before now have we? Previous stories: in the Forward a few days ago, an editorial conflating "anti-globalism" with anti-Semitism. Earlier: an observation that unprecedentedly high numbers of people no longer can sing "This Is My Land."

    He writes for “GQ Magazine”, why do we take fashion writers as political savants?

    Shall we note who owns that magazine:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance_Publications

    The anger would quickly dissipate if the owners of this company were to reverse their stands on invade/invite.

  254. @Corvinus
    And yet another fool who moralizes slavery.

    "Plantation slaves in America particularly the mid nineteenth century slaves on cotton plantations were probably the most humanely treated slaves anywhere in history...But those lucky enough to be taken to America had the best outcomes."

    Slavery is inhumane. Period. Ripping people from their homeland, putting them in chains, and forcing them to do brute labor is not "humane", no matter how you slice it. The "best outcome" was for whites to have picked their own damn cotton, not invaded and invited the world, and let the "darkies" live their own lives.

    "Slavery could be very cruel...There was virtually no violence against the slaves. Thousands of slaves would be supervised by a handful of unarmed whites. "

    No, slavery was exceptionally cruel. Of course there was violence against slaves.

    https://mises.org/library/brutality-slavery

    "How the Negro slaves were treated may be gauged by the diary of the aforementioned William Byrd II, who felt himself to be a kindly master and often inveighed against 'brutes who mistreat their slaves.' Typical examples of this kindly treatment were entered in his diary:

    2-8-09: Jenny and Eugene were whipped.
    5-13-09: Mrs. Byrd whips the nurse.
    6-10-09: Eugene (a child) was whipped for running away and had the bit put on him.
    11-30-09: Jenny and Eugene were whipped.
    12-16-09: Eugene was whipped for doing nothing yesterday.
    4-17-10: Byrd helped to investigate slaves tried for “High Treason”; two were hanged.
    7-1-10: The Negro woman ran away again with the bit in her mouth.
    7-15-10: My wife, against my will, caused little Jenny to be burned with a hot iron.
    8-22-10: I had a severe quarrel with little Jenny and beat her too much for which I was sorry."

    "But many people with poor economic prospects in their particular profession sold themselves into slavery. Slavery for a few was a good career choice in ancient Rome."

    A WILLING choice, compared to the brand of slavery found in the Americas.

    "White people handled slavery better than any other culture. We should be proud of our history as slavery."

    Since you seem to be ambivalent to slavery, why don't you sell your wife and/or kids into slavery and see what kind of life they lead? You can then prove to everyone that "white people" handle slavery "better".

    Idiot.

    Why do people never chastise the myriad of non-white societies that practiced slavery? In fact why don’t people chastise non-Christian Whites who practiced slavery?

    It seems that slavery is only condemned when practiced by a White, Christian society.

    • Replies: @Anon
    We are a guilt culture being manipulated by those from honor/shame cultures.

    We also have assets worth expropriating, and the keener elements of our enemies have discovered that psychological manipulation "studies have shown" backed by the mass media is very effective at getting us to put the interest of our enemies above our own.

    "Love your enemies, hate yourself"
    , @notanon
    only white people feel bad about it
    , @Corvinus
    "Why do people never chastise the myriad of non-white societies that practiced slavery? In fact why don’t people chastise non-Christian Whites who practiced slavery?"

    Is that question for me? Because had you been paying attention, note that I stated "Slavery is inhumane. Period. Ripping people from their homeland, putting them in chains, and forcing them to do brute labor is not “humane”, no matter how you slice it."

    So why is Skinner seemingly supporting the myriad of societies, especially European that practiced slavery? In fact, why he is not condemning Christian and non-Christian societies who engaged in the "peculiar institution"?
  255. @Forbes

    The Democrats were just as supportive of the Iraq War and the policies that led to the financial crisis as the Republicans were.
     
    Absolutely true--and it doesn't matter. The president and his party takes the heat. And the media will always blame Republicans.

    Media spin:

    When a Democrat targets Republicans, he's a crazy nut job who needs help and should be dispatched to anonymity.

    When a crazy nut job targets Democrats, he's a Republican whose name will be plastered across media 24/7.

    As with today’s tragedy: a leftist who shoots elected officials at a baseball practice is an evil white man, and so is a Phillipino, and so is this guy. It is an unbroken sea of evil white conservative male faces, whether they were or not, and news laws and positions are called for.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Okay ... but it sure sounds like this Pittsburgh shooter really is an evil white man.
  256. I don’t know if this has been mentioned before, but progressive activism since about the time of OWS has increasingly focused on “awareness building” over specific goals (like changing laws or government policy). The “Me Too,” movement among female celebrities is a classic example of progressive activism based around increasing awareness of a real or imagined injustice.

    Concentrating on awareness over goals tends to make people angry, restless and frustrated, while having specific goals makes people calmer and more focused. This shift in left NGO strategy may go some way to explaining the increasing emotional volatility of the modern left.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Madison Avenue 101. Morris Dees has many imitators. The current year version of Jim and Tammy Faye.
  257. @Roderick Spode
    This could screw the GOP in November.

    I doubt it has any election effects. For one thing, up to half of the population in some areas have already voted.

    But for the rest, I just don’t see the thought process where yet another mass shooting changes how someone votes.

    • Replies: @Perspective
    Not to mention the guy disliked Trump, though I don't know how much traction that will have in the media.
    , @Roderick Spode
    Good point about this November, but longer term, this will be weaponised against the immigration restrictionist Right. It will be so easy.

    Maybe you’re right though, as lone wolf attacks are often hard to meaningfully link with ideologies. Most attempts to associate the American Right with violence these last few years haven’t stuck. This will be a stronger test of that principle.
  258. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    "When a Democrat targets Republicans, he’s a crazy nut job who needs help and should be dispatched to anonymity. When a crazy nut job targets Democrats, he’s a Republican whose name will be plastered across media 24/7."

    When Sarah Palin uses gun sights on an internet map = "boo, promotion of terrorism."

    When the SPLC uses gun sights on an internet map spotlighting their enemies, something that causes an actual terrorist attack at one of those locations = "yawn, old news."

    When a right-winger guy shoots up a Synagogue = "Trump's fault."

    When a left-winger shoots up a bunched republican congressmen = "event x happened at time y and at location z. Boring, boring, boring, let's move on."

    NBC employee Megyn Kelly makes comment on black face = "fire the racist."

    ABC employee Jimmy Kimmel is revealed to have actually dressed in black face = "yawn, that's different because XYZ."

    Trump defends his constituents against endless racist media attacks = "Trump's rhetoric."

    Slate Magazine publishes an articled entitled "Let's Blow Up Mount Rushmore" = "What? I never heard of that. *Memory holed*"

    I think this illustrates how dangerous it is to let the enemy monopolize our media into just three cities: NY-LA-DC. We need to actively organize and change that. We need our own journalists, our own networks, our own system.

    Liberals, mostly with regard to white liberals, are not convinced by the exposure of the double standard. If you believe you are on the “right side of history”, then your opponent should eagerly agree to “partisan sportsmanship” so they are not damned for eternity.

    With non-white leftists, its a simple demand for retribution, which whites have no recourse to other than surrender, not even Rich Lowry sportsmanship will suffice.

  259. @Sergeant Prepper

    Quentin Tarantino, however, might be one of the rare artists who could personally give the general culture a nudge in a destructive direction.
     
    Insofar as the current liberal mindset can be blamed on any particular artist, I'd say J.K. Rowling arguably played a much bigger role than Tarantino. The key conflict in the Harry Potter books, after all, centers around Voldemort's belief in the importance of "blood purity" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictional_universe_of_Harry_Potter#Blood_purity ). Basically, Voldemort is an evil racist wizard supremacist. Harry Potter's faction, by contrast, are anti-racist social justice wizards. Seems to me that this provided the framing device through which rather many Millennials interprets all political and moral issues. Here's a somewhat more elaborate version of my point:

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/06/harry-potter-and-the-millennial-mind/

    Seems to me that this provided the framing device through which rather many nerdy female SJW Millennials interprets all political and moral issues.

    FTFY.

  260. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan
    Why do people never chastise the myriad of non-white societies that practiced slavery? In fact why don't people chastise non-Christian Whites who practiced slavery?

    It seems that slavery is only condemned when practiced by a White, Christian society.

    We are a guilt culture being manipulated by those from honor/shame cultures.

    We also have assets worth expropriating, and the keener elements of our enemies have discovered that psychological manipulation “studies have shown” backed by the mass media is very effective at getting us to put the interest of our enemies above our own.

    “Love your enemies, hate yourself”

  261. Re: Tarantino

    Doesn’t it all come down to the fact that his mother dated black guys back in the early 1970s? During that time a white child would have caught a tremendous amount of grief from his peers if his mother was dating blacks. He was either going to hate his mother or idolize blacks to keep himself sane. So take his movies with a giant grain of salt.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    The entirety of him is that he hates his absentee father, once saw Charlie Varrick, and read good fiction. A commenter upthread started to explore this in terms of Pulp Fiction. Is Bruce Willis's character a massively distorted heroic self-insert (possibly with Travolta's as a balancing self-insert just from the id)? Willis's character is also missing a father, but for reasons that are noble and not venal. Willis's character is also self-endangeringly loyal to the memory of his father. There is also a heroically loyal father in True Romance. And of course Bill in Kill Bill is clearly a -- well, that starts to get wierd ...
  262. @Desiderius
    I understand your purpose. I'm telling you it serves the opposite. Post-whites laugh at your naivete in thinking that it is themselves they hate when they know it is you.

    white liberals aren’t all the same

    there are self-hating whites
    there are white guilt suburban soccer moms
    there are narcissist virtue-signalers
    there are paycheck liberals
    etc

  263. @Steve Sailer
    So, the explosion of political correctness in c.2013 was an anti-Obama plot by big money anti-Obama interests that the Obama Administration naively backed?

    Political correctness and angry SJWs cowed the traditional ways the smart leftists tampered down and hid the ids of their masses and radicals. Social media also undermined them.

    The most hateful and crazy leftists can now rise up from obscurity from Twitter retweets and facebook shares.

    Could “white tears” have ever entered the mass leftist vocabulary in early 90s? There was a similar moment then of leftist radicalization, but it petered out and by 1993 the face of the left was a bubba from Arkansas who liked Big Macs and Fleetwood Mac. That won’t happen this time.

  264. Anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    The self-hating white thing today strikes me as akin to the Flagellants:
     
    And with that, the list of cartoonishly inapposite analogies gains another entrant.

    Where do you see the slightest evidence that any of these virtue signalling Leftist bobos have undertaken any degree of personal mortification and penance in order to expiate the sin of racism? On the contrary, virtue signalling is a delight for them. It is refined intellectual vanity and sadist enjoyment. Since racism is defined as uniquely evil, anybody who goes crusading against this scourge arrogates to himself the right to torture, kill, and destroy with impunity, which most people find rather pleasurable. Movies like Django Unchained are exactly what they desire to see and do and feel. This is the very opposite of the penitential attitude.

    Where do you see the slightest evidence that any of these virtue signalling Leftist bobos have undertaken any degree of personal mortification and penance in order to expiate the sin of racism?

    Aren’t we hot off discussions of how the press burning the BBQ Beckys will have women risking life and limb to not appear racist? Didn’t we just recount a few instances where this has already happened?

    Didn’t Mollie Tibbetts’s dad use her death for a literal “But think of the food!” apologia?

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    That was also, to use Forbes' term, vanity signalling.

    There is no small number of people who fantasize about having violent crime take away a relative of theirs precisely so that they can stick their mugs on television and gleefully recite the social justice creed in full clarity. They dream about that moment like they dream about winning the lottery. It doesn't matter if it was a husband, wife, child, or parent who was lost; the outpouring of sympathy and the consequent fame they will receive for "forgiving" their attacker more than outweighs the loss. From that moment on they will be paid handsomely for 60 Minutes interviews and book rights, their friends and coworkers will hold them in deference, and info-babes will bat their eyes at them and consolingly touch the backs of their hands on TV. They will have ascended to the ranks of made men, for such does power work in our society.

    People are very, very evil. Even your most intimate relations would most likely throw you under the bus for a chance at fame, and nothing in this world is really what it seems. Inside every "guilty conscience" there lurks the Will -to-Power, especially when that guilt is displayed for public consumption.

  265. @J.Ross
    If you criticize George Soros or his ideas then you are the Pittsburgh shooter.
    https://twitter.com/freedarko/status/1056247951968808960
    Using innocent blood to justify ideology -- never seen that before now have we? Previous stories: in the Forward a few days ago, an editorial conflating "anti-globalism" with anti-Semitism. Earlier: an observation that unprecedentedly high numbers of people no longer can sing "This Is My Land."

    In fairness, “Soros” really kind of is shorthand for “the Jews,” even if MAGA types like the unconquered Seminole Filipino don’t realize it. I disagree with the rest of the tweet though.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    In fairness, “Soros” really kind of is shorthand for “the Jews,” even if MAGA types like the unconquered Seminole Filipino don’t realize it.
     
    That's like saying Koch brothers is shorthand for the Christians. Back in the real world, Soros is shorthand for Soros, the man who broke the Bank of England.
  266. Anon[208] • Disclaimer says:

    “Why do people never chastise the myriad of non-white societies that practiced slavery?”

    NPC: Because that would be racist; only whites can be racist because reason #12636a.

    “In fact why don’t people chastise non-Christian Whites who practiced slavery?”

    NPC: Because that would be Islamophobic; only Christians can be anti-religious because reason #13346b.

  267. I dunno but it’s an interesting idea.

    When I watched Rachel Maddow on a nightly basis she was fixated on the Rwandan radio idea — right-wing rhetoric must be censored because it guarantees violence, like that guy who shot an abortion provider at his church. Shortly after that the presentation of ruthless and unapologetic violence became normal in movies (most clearly in the Witch, which laughs at Christians by granting their stories and assuming the position of their enemies, after leading less observant viewers to expect that the Christians are pity objects). This was also politically and racially pursued in movies like Detroit and the Purge series.
    So, if Rachel Maddow and Hollywood very roughly represent a single or linked intellectual community, they were all thinking about — and attempting — the stochastic “nudging” of violence at about the same time.
    This followed and expanded a thoroughly established commonplace of the dumb evil white man getting exactly what he deserved in every single media product, which had already led to a visible decline in audiences as some viewers switched to video games, the internet, or older movies.
    Anonymous observation from many years ago: someone claims to have heard a black person walking out of Django warning “whites need to stay out of sight while this movie is playing.” That’s unverifiable and, if true, is probably heavily paraphrased, but it unites two undeniable things:
    It is probably the most natural — and therefore predictable — thing in the world for a black person watching Django or Birth of a Nation to feel the arousal of deep and solid hatred towards whites.
    This never came up and still does not come up in the mainstream media’s discussion of what has since become its own genre.
    But the long-distance inspiration of violence justifying censorship is the normal focus of mainstream discussion regarding right-wing rhetoric.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Okay, but you are engaging in a meta-meta-complaint about fairness of media coverage to justify applying Occam's Butterknife to the horrible slaughter in Pittsburgh: awfully convenient for an evil white man to emerge at this moment. Okay, sure ... but Occam's Razor suggests he just plain is an evil white man.
  268. @istevefan
    Why do people never chastise the myriad of non-white societies that practiced slavery? In fact why don't people chastise non-Christian Whites who practiced slavery?

    It seems that slavery is only condemned when practiced by a White, Christian society.

    only white people feel bad about it

  269. @J.Ross
    As with today's tragedy: a leftist who shoots elected officials at a baseball practice is an evil white man, and so is a Phillipino, and so is this guy. It is an unbroken sea of evil white conservative male faces, whether they were or not, and news laws and positions are called for.

    Okay … but it sure sounds like this Pittsburgh shooter really is an evil white man.

    • Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon
    The wild card will be whether we'll be given his full record, criminal or otherwise, and if warning signs were ignored by authorities, family & friends. When one recalls that 9/11 warning signs were evident in the weeks before but preventative action blocked, it makes you wonder:
    -What atrocities are allowed to proceed because it will support someone's hidden agenda?
    , @TheBoom
    Yes the Pittsburg shooter is an evil white man and you will see more white men become evil and killing people as a consequence of the Jewish and Democratic led anti white jihad. Previously it has been manly black men who have taken the bait from the anti white propaganda as seen with the Dallas police who were killed, white women burned alive, the 6 Kansas city white men who were killed while on jogging paths by a black who announced he wanted to kill all whites and many more examples which, not surprisingly, don't get publicized much by the Jewish press.

    After the synagogue attack, the jews and democrats will ramp up even more the anti white propaganda which will cause more blacks and whites to snap. of course there will be no censorship directed at the sites or people encouraging the anti white hate and there will be major increases in censorship of the white right which will cause even more people to snap and kill.

    It is often said that civilization is but a thin veneer. We are seeing that veneer intentionally being ripped off. Barbarism is what is underneath. This isn't the future I dreamed of when young.
  270. @Jefferson
    "It is already a minority of whites who vote Democrat."

    It maybe a minority but it is a very LARGE minority. Nationwide The Democratic Party averages about 40% of the White vote in presidential elections which is not chopped liver and nothing to sneeze at.


    If Whites voted in a monolithic bloc for The Republican Party than Donald Trump would have also won the popular vote.

    If Whites voted in a monolithic bloc for The GOP there is no way that very White states like Vermont, New Hampshire, Oregon, Minnesota, etc would still be Democratic Party strongholds.

    The Somali Muslim takeover of large parts of metro Minneapolis has caused Minnesota to swing right quite quickly. It was so far left, one of the top 5 most leftist states, so it was still won by Hillary, but very close. Would Walter Mondale ever believe a national Democrat would do better in Virginia and Colorado than Minnesota?

    Minnesota will probably also be the only state where the GOP wins Democrat US House seats, possibly two of them.

    • Replies: @Anon
    30% of Hungary voted this year for the left-liberal parties that promise the same invasion as is occuring in Western Europe.

    No Western European nationalist party has ever exceeded 30% in an election, let alone 50%.

    UKIP has never polled higher than 25%, and that was several years ago in a markedly different environment.

    Lega is currently polling 31-33%.

    While the GOP might win two house seats, it could also lose two in the Twin City suburbs. The state is also quite likely to send two Feminists to the Senate.
    , @Jefferson
    Minnesota is still going to going to vote for whoever wins The Democratic Primaries in 2020.


    Minnesota has way too many Swedes and they vote just like their Leftist ancestors back in Sweden.


    Swedes do not vote like Southern bible belt Mississippi, Alabama, Oklahoma, Louisiana Whites.

    , @Jack Hanson
    You better not look at what's going on in AZ-1 then.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    The Somali Muslim takeover of large parts of metro Minneapolis has caused Minnesota to swing right quite quickly
     
    Uh, no. Minnesota's DFL bias in presidential elections was augmented by having a homeboy on the ticket five times between 1964 and 1984. Republicans have been competitive in other races. The DFL was blocked from the governor's mansion for 20 years.

    Minnesota was the only state whose electors didn't go Republican once in the 1980s. At the same time, it was one of only five or six states that was represented in the US Senate solely by Republicans that whole decade.

    Or, I should say, Independent-Republicans. They've dropped the hyphen since.

  271. @Lot
    Underrated.

    SJW types treat every word TNC writes as manna from heaven, revelations to be cherished and spread.

    I never saw anything quite like it.

    If Ta-Nehisi Coates wanted to start a cult compound in South America like Jim Jones did in the 1970s, a shitload of White Lefties would follow him there because he has a huge cult following among the “Good Whites”.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'If Ta-Nehisi Coates wanted to start a cult compound in South America like Jim Jones did in the 1970s, a shitload of White Lefties would follow him there because he has a huge cult following among the “Good Whites”.'

    Alright...but how can we help to bring this about?
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Sounds good to me. I will chip in for Kool Aid.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Doubtful that the same white lefties who pay tens of thousands of dollars per year to keep their kids out of NAM schools would do that.

    The ‘70s were a high-water mark of grassroots liberalism on race. Jim Jones was part of that, being the first white man to adopt a black child in Indiana, starting an integrated church, etc.
    , @Autochthon
    I suspect a lot less of these hipster doofuses actually read Coates' dreck than profess to, just as most pretentious people claim a certain familiarity with, say Aristotle or even Hobbs without having read a single page of Leviathan. They know it's hip to be into the stuff or at least know about it and, thanks to enough exposure for Coates on NPR, they have a kind of Cliffs Notes or Saw the Movie Adaptation handle on it for negotiating cocktail parties.
    , @YetAnotherAnon

    "If Ta-Nehisi Coates wanted to start a cult compound in South America like Jim Jones did in the 1970s, a shitload of White Lefties would follow him there because he has a huge cult following among the “Good Whites”."
     
    Nah. Goodwhites mostly have a complete (and impressive) shield against cognitive dissonance. I know a student who believes in open borders and simultaneously is well aware that walking in vibrant places can be dangerous at night (she avoids it). Similarly friends who live in all-white (and expensive) areas of the UK will rail against those racist Brexit voters in diverse Stoke-On-Trent without seeing any irony.

    Some would follow - the sort of women who go to Calais to help the poor people, and just somehow end up sleeping with them. Mind, that would still add up to quite a lot of people. I remember how many women the Krishnas attracted in the 70s, and that converts to Islam in the UK tend to be female.

  272. @istevefan
    Re: Tarantino

    Doesn't it all come down to the fact that his mother dated black guys back in the early 1970s? During that time a white child would have caught a tremendous amount of grief from his peers if his mother was dating blacks. He was either going to hate his mother or idolize blacks to keep himself sane. So take his movies with a giant grain of salt.

    The entirety of him is that he hates his absentee father, once saw Charlie Varrick, and read good fiction. A commenter upthread started to explore this in terms of Pulp Fiction. Is Bruce Willis’s character a massively distorted heroic self-insert (possibly with Travolta’s as a balancing self-insert just from the id)? Willis’s character is also missing a father, but for reasons that are noble and not venal. Willis’s character is also self-endangeringly loyal to the memory of his father. There is also a heroically loyal father in True Romance. And of course Bill in Kill Bill is clearly a — well, that starts to get wierd …

  273. Anon[208] • Disclaimer says:

    “There was a similar moment then of leftist radicalization, but it petered out and by 1993 the face of the left was a bubba from Arkansas who liked Big Macs and Fleetwood Mac. That won’t happen this time.”

    What do you think the probability is that the democrats will ever again elect (or even nominate) a Southern white moderate who chastises the party about being too left wing? Continuing, would any core Southern state vote for the guy anyway? Arkansas and Tennessee both voted for Clinton; wow, what a different era. That right there tells you the country has passed some critical point of no return. The winds of change are in the air. This diversity thing wasn’t such a good idea, after all. Too bad no one important realized it before it was too late.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Historically a party nominates more and more centrist candidates the longer it is out of office. Goldwater then Nixon. McGovern then Carter. Leftwing Mondale, moderate-for-Massachusetts Dukakis, then actual southern moderate Clinton.

    W was definitely left of center for a Texas Republican and filled the centrist role in the 2000 primary. And Obama was to the right of Kerry in the Senate. Kerry was one of the leftmost 20% of Dem Senators, Obama was dead center.

    Hillary is kind of an exception since she was slightly right of the Dem center. However, she a de facto VP seeking a third term for the party.

    So the Dems will likely go leftist in 2020, and if they lose go centrist in 2024.
    , @Jefferson
    "What do you think the probability is that the democrats will ever again elect (or even nominate) a Southern white moderate who chastises the party about being too left wing?"

    Bill Clinton is a moderate no more as he has no problem socializing with Louis Farrakhan and there is nothing about Louis Farrakhan that is milky toast centrist.
    , @Charles Pewitt
    Tennessee did vote for Clinton over Bush in 1992, but I think Perot got a lot of votes in Tennessee and Al Gore, Clinton's VP, was from Washington DC by way of Tennessee.

    I hate to admit it, but I might have voted for Clinton in 1992. I was young and I hated the Bush Organized Crime Syndicate. I was right to find the Bush mob to be untrustworthy and disgusting. George W Bush solidified my opinion of the rats in the Bush mob.

    I do remember voting for Perot in 1996 and Buchanan in 2000. Buchanan got much less than a million votes nationally, but the votes he got from moron Florida Jews who couldn't figure out the ballot might have cost Al Gore the election in 2000.
  274. @Steve Sailer
    So, the explosion of political correctness in c.2013 was an anti-Obama plot by big money anti-Obama interests that the Obama Administration naively backed?

    I still think it could be attributed to Twitter and Facebook. Twitter is a perfect mechanism for transmission of slogans and moral panics and in signalling what is or isn’t ‘okay’. Social media also allows a platform to showcase activism. (And for lazy or clickbait journos to take tiny campaigns and cover them like real ones) 2012 was the first election where these sites had begun to mature, legitimising large-scale political debate and virtue-signalling on the likes of Twitter or Facebook for people who might not have been very political previously. Causing actual (Or virtual) activists to intensify their rhetoric in response resulting in a spiral.

    Political debate was now taking place on platforms that young women tended to dominate. Whereas before it took place on nerdy highly male message boards. (Not that they had anywhere near the influence of modern social media)

    As people, particularly in younger generations, become more atomised and spend more time online, the social conformity pressures start to come less and less from their real friends and family and more from this virtual social group, which now includes dedicated political activists. People were basically being exposed to political propaganda that they otherwise wouldn’t have sought out before or been passively exposed to and being asked or tacitly encouraged to participate in or endorse.

  275. @J.Ross

    I dunno but it's an interesting idea.

     

    When I watched Rachel Maddow on a nightly basis she was fixated on the Rwandan radio idea -- right-wing rhetoric must be censored because it guarantees violence, like that guy who shot an abortion provider at his church. Shortly after that the presentation of ruthless and unapologetic violence became normal in movies (most clearly in the Witch, which laughs at Christians by granting their stories and assuming the position of their enemies, after leading less observant viewers to expect that the Christians are pity objects). This was also politically and racially pursued in movies like Detroit and the Purge series.
    So, if Rachel Maddow and Hollywood very roughly represent a single or linked intellectual community, they were all thinking about -- and attempting -- the stochastic "nudging" of violence at about the same time.
    This followed and expanded a thoroughly established commonplace of the dumb evil white man getting exactly what he deserved in every single media product, which had already led to a visible decline in audiences as some viewers switched to video games, the internet, or older movies.
    Anonymous observation from many years ago: someone claims to have heard a black person walking out of Django warning "whites need to stay out of sight while this movie is playing." That's unverifiable and, if true, is probably heavily paraphrased, but it unites two undeniable things:
    It is probably the most natural -- and therefore predictable -- thing in the world for a black person watching Django or Birth of a Nation to feel the arousal of deep and solid hatred towards whites.
    This never came up and still does not come up in the mainstream media's discussion of what has since become its own genre.
    But the long-distance inspiration of violence justifying censorship is the normal focus of mainstream discussion regarding right-wing rhetoric.

    Okay, but you are engaging in a meta-meta-complaint about fairness of media coverage to justify applying Occam’s Butterknife to the horrible slaughter in Pittsburgh: awfully convenient for an evil white man to emerge at this moment. Okay, sure … but Occam’s Razor suggests he just plain is an evil white man.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    That wasn't about Pittsburgh, it was replying to the actual thread topic. These people believe their own hype, they believe in nudging, therefore they both try to nudge and to restrict their competitors' ability to nudge. I don't understand what I'm not communicating or what you're not seeing in the pop cultural landscape because it's gotten very loud and simple and regular lately. They were doing everything they could to get blacks to riot, from legend-spinning to Presidential appearances, and to the credit of black Americans the overwhelming majority were unmoved. I don't understand what "I dunno" is about.
    , @Anonymous
    Okay, sure … but Occam’s Razor suggests he just plain is an evil white man.

    Wondering what the relevance is here of your appending "white man" to "evil"? Why not write instead simply that "he did something evil," or "he committed an evil act," or "he is evil," or "he is an evil person."

    (Also interested in your definition of evil.)

    , @Pericles

    he just plain is an evil white man.

     

    Now now, no need to demonize this alleged perpetrator who may well be a survivor of mental problems and who deserves the best defense that the American legal system can muster. Leave the unhinged accusations at least until the trial is over. Perhaps he didn't even do it.
  276. @Samuel Skinner

    And yet another fool who moralizes slavery.
     
    Slavery or genocide, take your pick. The demands of war means others must be made useful less you are overtaken by one who acts first. This means domination and extraction or replacement of those who are weaker then you.

    Slavery is inhumane. Period. Ripping people from their homeland, putting them in chains, and forcing them to do brute labor is not “humane”, no matter how you slice it.
     
    It is a comparative metric.

    No, slavery was exceptionally cruel. Of course there was violence against slaves.
     
    They beat their children and wives as well. Compare the amount of violence versus slaves versus those categories before declaring it exceptional.

    A WILLING choice, compared to the brand of slavery found in the Americas.
     
    Yeah, Roman voluntary slavery was a legal category to justify another freeman getting power over you. It isn't comparable with with most historical slavery.

    Since you seem to be ambivalent to slavery, why don’t you sell your wife and/or kids into slavery and see what kind of life they lead? You can then prove to everyone that “white people” handle slavery “better”.
     
    Owning slaves, not being slaves.

    “Slavery or genocide, take your pick. The demands of war means others must be made useful less you are overtaken by one who acts first. This means domination and extraction or replacement of those who are weaker then you.”

    Thank you, White Knight, for your chivalry. The fact remains that Samuel Skinner is moralizing slavery and minimizing its brutality.

    “It is a comparative metric.”

    What are you even babbling about? Put it this way–would YOU want to be seized by violence and be forced to work against your will?

    “They beat their children and wives as well.”

    Who, white male plantation owners? OK, hotshot, what percentages and/or numbers are we talking about here when it comes to white male plantation owner brutality against their own flesh and blood? Furthermore, how it is justifiable for this particular group to beat up anyone who dares to cross them?

    “Compare the amount of violence versus slaves versus those categories before declaring it exceptional.”

    That would be on YOU, since you made the statement “they beat their children and wives as well”.

    “Owning slaves, not being slaves.”

    No, no, no. Samuel Skinner in particular was singing the praises of how well slaves were treated by their masters. It should stand to reason he is willing to put his family to the test.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon

    What are you even babbling about? Put it this way–would YOU want to be seized by violence and be forced to work against your will?
     
    What an idiotic question. The chattel slaves brought here were already slaves in Africa seized violently by another tribe and being forced to work against their will for the chief of that tribe. Crossing the Atlantic only changed the owner and the nature of the work.

    No, no, no. Samuel Skinner in particular was singing the praises of how well slaves were treated by their masters. It should stand to reason he is willing to put his family to the test.
     
    Just how well do you think those slaves would have fared if they had remained in Africa as slaves? It is a comparative metric. Comparatively, they were treated well compared to their treatment in Africa. You don't seem to get it. They were a capital asset. Do owners of capital assets normally go about damaging those assets?

    As for your references to Bird who considered himself a good master, self evaluation is rarely accurate. That is why 80% of the population considers themselves to be above average drivers.
    , @Samuel Skinner

    Thank you, White Knight, for your chivalry. The fact remains that Samuel Skinner is moralizing slavery and minimizing its brutality.
     
    Yes, I am moralizing activities that involve the possibility of killing people. I'm not sure what subjects you think morality covers.

    What are you even babbling about? Put it this way–would YOU want to be seized by violence and be forced to work against your will?
     
    'Would you like to be at the bottom' and 'how should people at the bottom be treated' are two different questions.

    Who, white male plantation owners? OK, hotshot, what percentages and/or numbers are we talking about here when it comes to white male plantation owner brutality against their own flesh and blood?
     
    Not white male plantation owners- everyone. Beating your wife or kids was legal until recently.

    Furthermore, how it is justifiable for this particular group to beat up anyone who dares to cross them?
     
    Because slaves are dependents, just like spouses and children and are treated the same way.

    No, no, no. Samuel Skinner in particular was singing the praises of how well slaves were treated by their masters. It should stand to reason he is willing to put his family to the test.
     
    Since his claim was Southern slave owners are good and there are no Southern slave owners today I'm not seeing how he could do that. It is a bit like saying plane travel is safe and then being asked why you don't go on Zambia airlines.
  277. @syonredux

    The progressives are just as crazy in the UK but black issues are very marginal here.
     
    You must not watch the BBC. Or read The Guardian....

    No, he’s right, other than the offenders you mentioned its pretty much a non starter as an issue.

  278. Anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @Forbes

    virtue signalling is a delight for them. It is refined intellectual vanity and sadist enjoyment.
     
    Yes. I've been saying for some time, so-called virtue-signaling is a misnomer. It is vanity signaling.

    Virtue is an inner discipline--it's what you do when no one is looking. It's personal self-control and modesty.

    Boastful pride is not a virtue--but virtue-signaling is just that.

    Virtue regards conduct, not speech.

    “Virtue-signaling” is perfect firstly because it’s almost oxymoronic: a virtue becoming a vice when boasted of.

    Secondly, an ethics around virtue, one’s goodness coming from one’s character – the goodness of states of being rather than of the consequences of deeds or the fulfillment of duties – ties into the way many insulate themselves from the consequences of their virtue. The heart can stay pure when the body is never tested.

    What does it mean, “vanity-signaling”? Vanity-vanitying? Isn’t that just vanity?

  279. Anon[208] • Disclaimer says:

    “Okay … but it sure sounds like this Pittsburgh shooter really is an evil white man.”

    I wonder if this will start a trend. White male suicide rates are at an all time high. I’ve been wondering if some of them might not just start going nuts before taking themselves out. Blaze of glory, that kind of thing. Don’t be surprise when it turns out this guy was either an alcoholic or on psychoactive medications for depression.

    “Okay … but it sure sounds like this Pittsburgh shooter really is an evil white man.”

    Well, hundreds of anti-white press stories about “white privilege” “white males” “toxic masculinity” and the like was sure to radicalize people at some point. Shouldn’t that be the take away from this? I mean, when an Islamic crazy does something like this, the press has historically rushed into action to blame the critics of Islam for causing the incident rather than blame the hateful ideology of the perp.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "White male suicide rates are at an all time high. I’ve been wondering if some of them might not just start going nuts before taking themselves out."

    A declining fear of going to Hell plays a role in these mass shootings.

  280. @anon

    “How the Negro slaves were treated may be gauged by the diary of the aforementioned William Byrd II, who felt himself to be a kindly master and often inveighed against ‘brutes who mistreat their slaves.’ Typical examples of this kindly treatment were entered in his diary:

    2-8-09: Jenny and Eugene were whipped.
    5-13-09: Mrs. Byrd whips the nurse.
    6-10-09: Eugene (a child) was whipped for running away and had the bit put on him.
    11-30-09: Jenny and Eugene were whipped.
    12-16-09: Eugene was whipped for doing nothing yesterday.
    4-17-10: Byrd helped to investigate slaves tried for “High Treason”; two were hanged.
    7-1-10: The Negro woman ran away again with the bit in her mouth.
    7-15-10: My wife, against my will, caused little Jenny to be burned with a hot iron.
    8-22-10: I had a severe quarrel with little Jenny and beat her too much for which I was sorry.”
     

    that doesnt sound like much, just every few months. How many slaves did they have?

    also remember that back then many parents spanked, and probably beat their children too, maybe with a belt as well.

    it was a different time

    also note that jews apparently were much more likely than whites to own slaves. its important to present a balanced view of history instead of just blaming the same old convenient group. For example maybe tell about the Arab slave trade?

    “that doesnt sound like much, just every few months. How many slaves did t