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From the New York Times:

Netanyahu’s Reversal on Migrants Shows Influence of Hard-Line Allies
By ISABEL KERSHNER APRIL 3, 2018

JERUSALEM — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has backed down under pressure before, but rarely in such a spectacular fashion as he did on Tuesday when he reneged on a deal with the United Nations to resettle thousands of African asylum seekers in Western countries.

Mr. Netanyahu announced the deal to great fanfare on Monday, only to suspend it a few hours later. On Tuesday, he canceled it completely and defended his abrupt reversal, saying he was responding to an outcry from members of his conservative Likud party as well as partners in his governing coalition who routinely refer to the migrants as “infiltrators” and want all of them expelled.

But the capitulation dented Mr. Netanyahu’s image as a master political player….

As has often happened in the past, Mr. Netanyahu changed direction in the wake of harsh criticism from Naftali Bennett, the education minister and leader the Jewish Home party. While the far-right Jewish Home is in Mr. Netanyahu’s coalition, it also competes with his Likud party for votes.

Bezalel Smotrich, a Jewish Home legislator, said in a radio interview on Tuesday that he would be willing to topple the government over the migrant issue.

“We want the state of Israel to remain a Jewish state,” he said. “And this means sticking to the right migration policy.”

Mr. Netanyahu said he had made the deal with the United Nations high commissioner for refugees because it seemed the only way to reduce the population of African migrants in Israel, who number at least 35,000. The migrants, mostly Eritreans and Sudanese who surreptitiously crossed the border from Egypt before it was sealed in 2012, cannot be returned to their own countries under international conventions for fear of persecution.

The deal with the United Nations refugee agency was meant to replace a contentious Israeli plan to forcibly deport the migrants to Rwanda. …

Mr. Netanyahu first trumpeted the deal on Monday in a live television broadcast, saying it was an extraordinary plan to resettle nearly half of Israel’s African asylum seekers in Western countries. A n equal number would have been granted legal status to stay in Israel.

Usually if you read to the very end of an NYT article, you’ll get an explanation of what is really going on. But the reality remains kind of unspeakable here.

Netanyahu figured that unloading 16,000 of Israel’s 35,000 African immigrants onto to goyishe kopf white gentile countries would be a masterstroke. But Bibi’s rightwing frenemies objected that it would be a concession that Israel couldn’t unload the other 19000 back to their native continent on the grounds that it would be inhuman to return Africans to Africa, a precedent that could well destroy the Jewish State over the rest of this century.

 
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  1. That’s major news – just not here.

    All quiet on the German-speaking immigration front. No Netanjahu to be seen or heard of in the news in Austria or Switzerland or Germany anywhere. Don’t even mention this kind of supertoxic stuff. (Where would it lead us: to call Netanjahu racist? – That’d be the Merkel-logic, but that is an imossibility in itself, of course.

    Telling silence.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    Netanyahu better nix the Third World infiltrator transfer scheme right quick or he will lose any remaining support he might have from patriotic European Christian nationalists. Netanyahu and the Likud louts better cut out this nonsense of flooding these Third World infiltrators into European Christian nations.

    Shelly Adelson won't save Netanyahu when White Core Americans and White Patriot Nationalists in Europe see the disgusting hypocrisy of Israel and the diaspora Jews in this Third World infiltrator transfer business. The Jews in Israel and the diaspora Jews ought to consider us angry European Christians as similar to the regular Jews of modest means in South Tel Aviv who have had enough of these infiltrators too.

    Install an air corridor in Africa; secure a landing strip; drop off the infiltrators and be done with it, dammit!

    If I had ten divisions of Germans from the Great Lakes states and ten divisions of Anglo-Celts from the Southern states the problems caused by mass immigration and the Merkel creatures in Germany, Austria and every other nation in Europe would be over very quickly.
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    No Netanjahu to be seen or heard of in the news in Austria or Switzerland or Germany anywhere

    Unless you read Die SZ, Germany's leading left-of center "quality" paper

    http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/fluechtlingspolitik-israel-will-afrikanische-migranten-in-den-westen-umsiedeln-1.3928030

    or Frankfurter Allgemeine

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/israel-setzt-uebereinkunft-zu-afrikanischen-einwanderern-aus-15522993.html

    or the NZZ

    https://www.nzz.ch/international/israel-unhcr-siedelt-16-250-afrikanische-fluechtlinge-um-ld.1371158

    etc. etc. Maybe it's not being covered on TV but I gave up on TV long ago.
    , @Anonymous
    Switzerland's still-renowned Neue Zurcher Zeitung (NZZ) did have a piece about Bertrando backing out of the UN deal which would have forced Israel to give permanent status to some 20,000 Africans.

    With the usual PC tut-tutting, NZZ does mention the crucial point that Israel has a useful deal with Rwanda to deport Eritreans and other third-country infiltrators to Rwanda.

    Keeping up the MSM TABOO on any mention of third-country deportation is the single biggest propaganda aim of the Soros-financed billionaire Left in its struggle to destroy the traditional working class throughout the West.

    With third-country deportation, all the supposed procedural problems obstructing deportation of "infiltrators" disappear. No passport? Lying about his country of origin? Lying about age? Long rap sheet back home? Rwanda will still accept you for a negotiated fee!

    The deportees also benefit because Rwanda will treat them acceptably to keep the deportation deal viable.

    , @larry lurker
    Related: it seemed like Merkel's admission a few weeks ago that "no-go zones" exist in Germany got a fair amount of attention in the mainstream English-language press (AP, Yahoo News) but received almost no coverage in German media. Was this your impression as well?
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    Hey Dieter. Why did Merkel and those who run her begin Germany's (and Europe's) destruction by opening the floodgates to the black and brown tide? Was it merely liberal guilt/suicidal altruism or something even more troubling?
    , @Dmitry

    But Bibi’s rightwing frenemies objected that it would be a concession that Israel couldn’t unload the other 19000 back to their native continent on the grounds that it would be inhuman to return Africans to Africa, a precedent that could well destroy the Jewish State over the rest of this century.
     
    Analysis is completely incorrect.

    The problem of granting both permanent status to illegal work migrants in Israel, and remainder in the West - is that it would have motivated unlimited future illegal immigration to Israel - which would take place by plane. Any future illegal work migrant would be awarded with a permanent life in either Israel or a Western country. It would lead to a future of constant illegal immigration.

    As for the Western element - it was the UN, the American funded New Israel Fund, and the EU - which had undermined the plan to deport them to Rwanda. In other words, it was the West which proposed this new plan in the first place.

    And fortunately Netanyahu , (who is a real moderate centrist in heart) was pushed back by the right-wing coalition members. Netanyahu had folded to the Western pressure, and only returned to the original position when there was the uprising from his own party members and coalition.
  2. I posted that this would not happen! I said Israel would be rid of 1,000 infiltrators this way (foisted on Canada etc) at the most. Looks like I was 1,000 too high.

  3. In the original plan to deport the migrants to Rwanda, not all of them were going to be deported either. It was also about half.

    What Netanyahu’s allies were mad about is that 1) Involving the UN would have granted the migrants an official status that would have tied Israel’s hands in the future and exposed it to all sorts of legal challenges (family reunification etc). 2) They didn’t believe the UN was really going to deport even those 16,000 that it promised to, and didn’t want Israel to be reliant on the UN.

    It’s a classic global institutions vs national sovereignty situation.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    I should also add 3) It would have created an incentive for more migrants to come and get a free ticket to Canada.
  4. I was thinking that they realised that there’s a fair amount of overlap between people who like – or at least admire – Israel, and people who don’t want immigration, certainly not from sub-Saharan Africa, and antagonising them might be a bad idea.

    But yeah, your take makes more sense. And that’s seriously depressing.

  5. @IHTG
    In the original plan to deport the migrants to Rwanda, not all of them were going to be deported either. It was also about half.

    What Netanyahu's allies were mad about is that 1) Involving the UN would have granted the migrants an official status that would have tied Israel's hands in the future and exposed it to all sorts of legal challenges (family reunification etc). 2) They didn't believe the UN was really going to deport even those 16,000 that it promised to, and didn't want Israel to be reliant on the UN.

    It's a classic global institutions vs national sovereignty situation.

    I should also add 3) It would have created an incentive for more migrants to come and get a free ticket to Canada.

  6. Offtopic, but worth a mention: The Youtube shooter was “vegan bodybuilder” Nasim Aghdam.

  7. Perhaps the real story is that there was a UN threat after the little border fiasco. Regardless, this is a black pill. If Israel won’t even keep its nation, who will?

  8. It was a stupid idea. It would incentivise another wave of migrants, by broadcasting that Israel was a roundabout way of makimg it into the West.

    The Australians have a proven method – assylum in a middle income country (PNG). That stopped the boats.

  9. Anonymous[242] • Disclaimer says:

    LOL goyishe kopf

    Yeah whenever I hear Bibi talk to conservatives in America, I feel like it is in the tone one uses to patronize and bamboozle a bunch of country goobers.

    Wish it didn’t work so often! Although I don’t blame Bibi, he seems to be playing the game as it is. I don’t think he would care if we ended all immigration tomorrow.

  10. Anonymous[122] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/youtube-shooting-attack-at-california-headquarters/news-story/db0aa5aa9bb4e59778d0843bfe4e5f78

    Seems the Iranian woman shooter was pissed at youtube’s demonetization.

    https://necpluribusimpar.net/google-just-wants-silence-dissent-may-get-civil-war/

    Unfortunately this Iranian woman didn’t make it as far as Susan Wojcicki, but I like to imagine it could have went down like the ending of The Running Man.

  11. I was hoping it was fear of pushing the (Western) right further toward ANTISEMITISM!!!, or angering Visegrad, or something like that. Oh, well.

    Netanyahu figured that unloading 16,000 of Israel’s 35,000 African immigrants onto to goyishe kopf white gentile countries would be a masterstroke.

    And Jews here wanna know why I act like Netanyahu isn’t our friend.

    • Replies: @Obsessive Contrarian
    You are the perfect person to ask this question, but anyone is welcome to answer: how did these wily Jews allow 90K Africans to slip over the border & enter the country? From Sinai, which is difficult to cross?
  12. Telling silence.

    Wait, you think the silence from the Euro media is telling? What about from American Jewry and (((Big Media)))? These are the people who go ape when a Republican is caught in a sex scandal, because conservative values, but when the Jewish state rapes and murders “Jewish Values” and leaves the naked corpse in a ditch, diaspora Jews got nothin’ to say.

  13. Was there ever a deal? The UN itself can only sprinkle holy water on a deal, actual countries have to accept refugees. My guess is that behind the scenes money changed hands, but even Rwanda backed out after the deal became public.

    This is also a lesson to immigration patriots, a couple of thousand dollars in exchange for repatriation will not cut it. You might get away with a small payment if you deport people immediately on entry, but not after decades. Suggestion to Israel: Section 8 housing choice voucher equivalent housing program in Eritrea, or anywhere else.

    • Replies: @Seth Largo
    You might get away with a small payment if you deport people immediately on entry, but not after decades.

    Indeed. Illegal immigration policy functions like squatter policy in real estate.

    If I own a house and it's currently empty (maybe in between renters or in prep for renovations), anyone can waltz in when I'm not looking and legally stay there for months or years.

    If I'm around when Mr. Squatter tries to get in, well then, I can manhandle him out, call the police for trespassing, and so on. However, if I'm not around, and Mr. Squatter sets up a cot, brings in some food, and starts using the shower, then all of a sudden he can claim squatter's rights. I cannot manhandle him out (unless I want to get arrested), I cannot call the police for trespassing, etc. I must now to go through a long, expensive legal process to get him removed.

    Immigration policy is the same. If an illegal immigrant gets caught at the border or within a few days of illegal entry, on the bus he goes. However, if he avoids detection, moves into an apartment, starts buying beer at the local liquor store, maybe enrolls his kid in the local school, he can now claim squatter's rights in his new homeland. Removing him is a difficult and expensive process, so the state doesn't bother.

    , @Ed
    Right. Italy outright denied any deal was made. Germany didn’t reject or deny but that no final decision was made.

    Canada acknowledged a deal and I suspect would be willing to take all of them.
  14. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    The African migrants have been in Israel for at least 7 years now. Have they assimilated? Speak Hebrew? Any intermarriage?

  15. >“We want the state of Israel to remain a Jewish state,” he said. “And this means sticking to the right migration policy.”

    Imagine if someone said “We want the state of France to remain a French state. And this means sticking to the right migration policy.”

    Le Figaro & NYT would be denouncing him as literal Hitler.

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Ethno-nationalism for me but not for thee, goy.
    , @Ed
    There is nothing preventing French people from doing this in fact there’s a party that openly runs on such a platform. French Jews make a minor part of France they do not control the minds of millions of French people.

    Place your frustrations (are you even French?) where they belong. The masses of French people that either don’t care or support a multiethnic France. It should be pointed out that France still has overseas departments in South America, Caribbean and Africa, where residents are free to come and go to the mainland. So you’ll never get your all white France.
  16. There is one word in the last blockquote paragraph that provides the hint:

    Trumpeted.

    As in Trump.

    OCGE called Bibi and said “unh unh.”

    • Replies: @Colleen Pater
    In our dreams trumps not only cucked by rhe neo cucks and deep state in soldiers uninforms hes totally cuckd by having an all jewish family except the wife he keeps cheatin on. his forst move in office was give israel 40 billion no strings when he could have demanded they call off their leftist anti immigration
    , @IHTG
    These events have nothing to do with Trump or the United States.
  17. It was never actually a big win for him to unload less than half of those tens of thousands in exchange for keeping the rest.

    Israel is an alt-right utopia if seen from our cucked nations, unfortunately even it itself is far more cucked than, say, China or even Japan. (Japan is more cucked than China, but less cucked than any Western nation.)

    • Replies: @Anon
    In terms of immigration China is more lax on immigration atleast in practice than Japan. There is a community of thousands or tens of thousands of Africans in southern china alone, even if they get a bunch of shit and are occasionally harrased or deported. Do you mean that Japan is nore socially liberal on many issues, say perhaps gender roles and homosexuality(still no gay marriage tho)
    , @AnotherDad

    It was never actually a big win for him to unload less than half of those tens of thousands in exchange for keeping the rest.
     
    Netanyahu generally seems to be a solid guy when it comes to his job--looking out for the interests of Israelis. (I'm 100% not interested in his "hey you guys go fight Iran shtick", but that's a different issue.) White nations need their own Netanyahus.

    But he did screw up here and the Jewish Home guys were right to pull him up short.

    This is an issue where we've done the experiment and the wave packet has collapsed. The right number of blacks to allow into any non-black nation is ... zero!

    You don't want a foothold to take root. It will be a source of crime and dysfunction, and then politcal and social whining and contention. There is no upside.

    ~~

    One the the oddities of post-War history is the behavior of Europeans. One would think they'd have looked at the American experience and known better. (I've always told my scouts and my kids: "learn from your mistakes ... even better learn from some other guy's mistakes!" And try to tell them the story of my screwups so they can do better.)

    But instead, I think the Europeans instead looked at America's racial issues and thought--jealously and dependency not being conducive to clear thought--"Those America hicks, look how they treat their blacks, just appalling. We would be much more enlightened and sophisticated."

    How's that working out?

    ~~

    Contra to all the "35-foot ladder" "can't be stopped" naysayers, Israel easily stopped this invasion with a bit of fencing and policing. (The invasion of the West isn't coming from people with modern weaponry, all that's required to stop them is minimal backbone.)

    They can simply bribe most of their Africans to leave. Those who won't volunteer, they can repatriate at the average cost of some avgas and a parachute.
    , @Clyde

    Israel is an alt-right utopia if seen from our cucked nations, unfortunately even it itself is far more cucked than, say, China or even Japan. (Japan is more cucked than China, but less cucked than any Western nation.)
     
    Also exciting to alt rightists... look how Netanyahu's Israel is a porcupine bristling with weaponry. Saying to the Islamic world, "Don't Tread On Me". Putin and Netanyahu are the world's most effective white nationalist leaders. This is why the American + European left hates them and demonizes both nations. Donald Trump is number three on this list but due to Democrat/leftist sabotage he has a difficult time carrying out his programs.
  18. OT

    The YouTube shooter is a female Persian animal rights vegan body builder. It always delights me when it’s the diverse, but another Islamist would be kinda boring. But a Persian animal rights vegan body builder? Now that’s interesting!

    On some photos she also looked hot.

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    YouTube censored her channel because it was too sexy, costing her a lot of viewers. She retaliated.
    , @Barnard
    My question on this shooting I haven't seen asked or answered yet is, doesn't a place like YouTube have security on staff? How did she ever get in the building in the first place?
    , @Autochthon
    Hot no. She is patently batshit crazy from one hundred yards away: Physiognomy is real.
    , @Detective Club
    The internet is alive with the uniform opinion that she looks like a "Kill Bill" female assassin. If Tiny Duck weren't Gay, he'd have her poster on his wall by now.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    Walmart going to ban rainbow flags now?
    , @Anon
    If an anemic Pat Benatar is your idea of 'hot'.
    , @CJ

    The YouTube shooter is a female Persian animal rights vegan body builder.
     
    Yes, that news must have stopped a few budding narratives cold. For me, the operative phrase in that word salad is "animal rights". I've been trying to tell people that animal rightsers are the craziest of the crazy, but so far they don't believe me.
    , @Lot
    The article says she had a Turkish and Farsi website, which means she is likely an Iranian Turk/Azeri.
    , @Hubbub

    On some photos she also looked hot.
     
    You gotta be kidding, right? Geez!
    , @Anonymouse
    Where is this article? I couldn't find it at Google News.
    , @Vendetta
    The undisputed iSteve Woman of the Year
    , @Lars Porsena
    You think she looked hot? I briefly wondered if she might be trans, not because she looks masculine but just because she has this uncanny valley vibe, she looks plastic and somehow weird.
    , @Yak-15
    She looks hot but extremely crazy.
    , @Beckow

    female Persian animal rights vegan body builder
     
    ...single at 38, that didn't help. She was doing racy work-out videos that YouTube deemed 'inappropriate'. I doubt she had an Islamist bone in her body.

    This is a canary in a coal mine, as millions of women beneficiaries of feminism get older, there will be mayhem. They are like fish out of water, animal rights will be the least of our problems.
  19. More likely that Net’n’yahoo received a Snapchat message from Trump telling him that Israel’s aid would be cut off if he did not implement a reverse caravan crossing of the Red Sea.

    According to the Biblical book of Exodus, which is widely regarded to be true, the People of Israel emigrated from North Africa a couple of thousand years ago and settled in a land formerly flowing with milk (sheeps’ milk, presumably) and honey somewhere near where modern Israel is now located.

    So the Africans in Israel probably ought to think about taking a hike back to Wakanda.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    Truly, it goes down in the DM's.
    , @Charles Pewitt

    More likely that -- Net’n’yahoo -- received a Snapchat message from Trump telling him that Israel’s aid would be cut off if he did not implement a reverse caravan crossing of the Red Sea.

     

    I like that Net'n'yahoo spelling.

    How about a spoken version using Levon Helm's Kentucky accent from Coal Miner's Daughter? It would go like this: Netty'yah'who. We could call Netty'yah'who ol'Netty for short.

    Ol'Netty better cut out this crud about sending his Thirld Worlders out a Butcher Holler over there in Israel to other countries. Ol'Netty got no business pushing his people onto other people. Ol'Netty ought not to do that.
    , @Barnard
    I seriously doubt Trump threatened any aid. The Israelis know he could never get Congress to cut aid to Israel, especially if he can't get them to secure our own borders. What the story says is most likely accurate, the hardliners in Israel were unwilling to keep the 19,000. My guess is that his next move will be an attempt to get another Western nation(besides Canada) to take the 19,000 rather than send anyone back to Africa. Trump did help just by the fact that if Crooked Hillary had won, it would be over and done with and the 19,000 would be on their way to the United States.
  20. @Dieter Kief
    That's major news - just not here.

    All quiet on the German-speaking immigration front. No Netanjahu to be seen or heard of in the news in Austria or Switzerland or Germany anywhere. Don't even mention this kind of supertoxic stuff. (Where would it lead us: to call Netanjahu racist? - That'd be the Merkel-logic, but that is an imossibility in itself, of course.

    Telling silence.

    Netanyahu better nix the Third World infiltrator transfer scheme right quick or he will lose any remaining support he might have from patriotic European Christian nationalists. Netanyahu and the Likud louts better cut out this nonsense of flooding these Third World infiltrators into European Christian nations.

    Shelly Adelson won’t save Netanyahu when White Core Americans and White Patriot Nationalists in Europe see the disgusting hypocrisy of Israel and the diaspora Jews in this Third World infiltrator transfer business. The Jews in Israel and the diaspora Jews ought to consider us angry European Christians as similar to the regular Jews of modest means in South Tel Aviv who have had enough of these infiltrators too.

    Install an air corridor in Africa; secure a landing strip; drop off the infiltrators and be done with it, dammit!

    If I had ten divisions of Germans from the Great Lakes states and ten divisions of Anglo-Celts from the Southern states the problems caused by mass immigration and the Merkel creatures in Germany, Austria and every other nation in Europe would be over very quickly.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The people who are *really* culpable are the European 'leaders' dumb enough to agree to this shit.
    They should be named and shamed.
  21. Anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    O/T

    http://goodtimes.sc/cover-stories/impact-santa-cruz-county-agriculture-labor-shortage/

    Barajas cites Swanton Berry Farm as an example that other farms could emulate. The 80-acre organic farm is famous as the first certified organic farm in the U.S. to sign a labor contract with the UFW and offer its workers an employee stock ownership program, in addition to health insurance, vacation and holiday pay, low income housing on site, pensions and other benefits. While some farmers have already integrated some of these benefits, for others it would require a significant change to operations.

    Looking toward the future, Peixoto believes that more needs to be done to encourage younger generations to pursue careers in agriculture, an industry that he feels has not earned its bad reputation.

    • Replies: @Seth Largo
    From salt to cotton to blackberries, luxury goods fuel the cycles of history.
    , @donut
    "low income housing on site" and maybe a company store .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRh0QiXyZSk
  22. @reiner Tor
    OT

    The YouTube shooter is a female Persian animal rights vegan body builder. It always delights me when it's the diverse, but another Islamist would be kinda boring. But a Persian animal rights vegan body builder? Now that's interesting!

    On some photos she also looked hot.

    YouTube censored her channel because it was too sexy, costing her a lot of viewers. She retaliated.

  23. Notice the language employed. They are referred to as ‘migrants’ much more often than refugees. There’s no flowery rhetoric of “escaping poverty and war”, instead we get a much harsher “surreptitiously crossed the border”.

    The Jewish Home party is far to the right of a civnat party like Front National yet it is described as “hardline” rather than fascist.

    It’s very telling where the ethnic biases and loyalties of the NYT lies. If they used the same rhetoric wrt European nationalists, they would be accused nonstop of ‘aiding fascism’. But of course the left dares not do that when it comes to Zionism (and it’s diaspora backers) and the right are useful idiots.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  24. Anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    Bloomberg: Wages are getting to high for YT in Eastern Europe

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-04/wages-are-getting-too-high-in-europe-s-eastern-workshop

    Now, rising wages are starting to send factory jobs to cheaper countries. Japan’s Yazaki Corp., for instance, is switching production of the vehicle wiring it makes from the Plzen area to Serbia, where industry wages are almost 60 percent lower. In Poland, an influx of workers from Ukraine is plugging holes in the labor force and restraining salaries.

    Wow, supply and demand does apply to the labor market. But only when you can blame Jaroslaw Kaczynski.

  25. Netanyahu figured that unloading 16,000 of Israel’s 35,000 African immigrants onto to goyishe kopf white gentile countries would be a masterstroke. But Bibi’s rightwing frenemies objected that it would be a concession that Israel couldn’t unload the other 19000 back to their native continent on the grounds that it would be inhuman to return Africans to Africa, a precedent that could well destroy the Jewish State over the rest of this century.

    And they would be wise to think this. Look at what happened to us after the “one-time” amnesty in 1986. Exactly. It never ends once you back down.

    • Replies: @Detective Club
    After the big, joke Reagan Amnesty of 1986, which was supposed to be the last Amnesty ever, ever, ever, President George HW Bush managed to easily get a 40% per annum increase in the levels of "legal" Third-World immigration into the United States from the Democrat Congress of the time.

    Of course, when "legal" immigration is increased, illegal immigration increases commensurately. With Israel these days, getting rid of just some illegals means that the country gets to keep the lion's share of resident illegals while attracting more illegals in the future. At this late date, hardly anybody in their right mind is fooled by this never-ending game of 3-card Monte when it comes to Third-World immigration.

    , @sabril
    Yes, there are a lot of Leftist Jews in Israel who are salivating over the possibility of adding tens of thousands of Africans to the voter rolls. That's what this is all about.
  26. @reiner Tor
    OT

    The YouTube shooter is a female Persian animal rights vegan body builder. It always delights me when it's the diverse, but another Islamist would be kinda boring. But a Persian animal rights vegan body builder? Now that's interesting!

    On some photos she also looked hot.

    My question on this shooting I haven’t seen asked or answered yet is, doesn’t a place like YouTube have security on staff? How did she ever get in the building in the first place?

  27. @Jonathan Mason
    More likely that Net'n'yahoo received a Snapchat message from Trump telling him that Israel's aid would be cut off if he did not implement a reverse caravan crossing of the Red Sea.

    According to the Biblical book of Exodus, which is widely regarded to be true, the People of Israel emigrated from North Africa a couple of thousand years ago and settled in a land formerly flowing with milk (sheeps' milk, presumably) and honey somewhere near where modern Israel is now located.

    So the Africans in Israel probably ought to think about taking a hike back to Wakanda.

    Truly, it goes down in the DM’s.

  28. @Jonathan Mason
    More likely that Net'n'yahoo received a Snapchat message from Trump telling him that Israel's aid would be cut off if he did not implement a reverse caravan crossing of the Red Sea.

    According to the Biblical book of Exodus, which is widely regarded to be true, the People of Israel emigrated from North Africa a couple of thousand years ago and settled in a land formerly flowing with milk (sheeps' milk, presumably) and honey somewhere near where modern Israel is now located.

    So the Africans in Israel probably ought to think about taking a hike back to Wakanda.

    More likely that — Net’n’yahoo — received a Snapchat message from Trump telling him that Israel’s aid would be cut off if he did not implement a reverse caravan crossing of the Red Sea.

    I like that Net’n’yahoo spelling.

    How about a spoken version using Levon Helm’s Kentucky accent from Coal Miner’s Daughter? It would go like this: Netty’yah’who. We could call Netty’yah’who ol’Netty for short.

    Ol’Netty better cut out this crud about sending his Thirld Worlders out a Butcher Holler over there in Israel to other countries. Ol’Netty got no business pushing his people onto other people. Ol’Netty ought not to do that.

  29. I’ve been wondering about this too. I’d dearly love to believe that Netanyahu’s allies in the Trump administration and the Visegrad Group brought pressure to bear.

  30. @reiner Tor
    OT

    The YouTube shooter is a female Persian animal rights vegan body builder. It always delights me when it's the diverse, but another Islamist would be kinda boring. But a Persian animal rights vegan body builder? Now that's interesting!

    On some photos she also looked hot.

    Hot no. She is patently batshit crazy from one hundred yards away: Physiognomy is real.

    • Agree: International Jew
  31. The original article I read stated that the half that stayed in Israel were only going to be guaranteed temporary status (while, of course, those sent to the goyische kopf countries were inevitably going to get permanent status). So heaven only knows why he backed out on the deal. Is it really because they don’t want to keep their half, which they probably weren’t going to keep anyway?

    A smarter reason for Netanyahu to back out would be the realization that this kind of dumping would make Jews and Israel look pretty damn bad to the rest of the West – Jews have the right to defend their borders and to their own country, but the rest of us don’t. The original deal kind of left open who would be taking them off Israel’s hands (Canada? Italy? Some other random country?), thus pissing off even more people than necessary.

    • Replies: @Glaivester

    The original article I read stated that the half that stayed in Israel were only going to be guaranteed temporary status (while, of course, those sent to the goyische kopf countries were inevitably going to get permanent status).
     
    Well, they were going to get status for five years. That's a long time, and could easily morph into permanent status. I'm not certain that the refugees sent to other countries would not also be given "temporary" status - officially.

    In any case, I suspect one of the reasons for the "deal" is so Israel can now accuse any country that condemns their deportations of hypocrisy. ("Oh, we can't send them to Africa? You refused to take them!")
  32. Israel should deport them to South Africa. South Africa is a paradise now, right?

    Seriously, they should deport them to whatever African countries are not war zones – there are several that fit that bill. Perhaps they could pay Kenya or Uganda to take them. As commenter istevefan said, they shouldn’t set the precedent by keeping even one of them.

    But they should not send them to the West.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Israel does have a deal with Rwanda whereby Rwanda takes third-country infiltrators off Israel's hands, for a fee said to be about 4,000 Euro a head.

    A similar deal is said to have been reached with Uganda.

    This simple solution is probably the reason the globalist UN stepped in. They are desperate not to let third-country deportations become a common practice.

    , @LKM
    Israel did have a deal to deport some to Rwanda (14 000 according to Netanyahu) and was rumoured to have a similar one with Uganda. But this fell through at the last minute, which is why Bibi then pivoted to the UN deal, which Israel was negotiating in parallel.
  33. How would this thing have worked exactly, if it had gone through?

    ” he reneged on a deal with the United Nations to resettle thousands of African asylum seekers in Western countries.”

    Is there some binding treaty or agreement that requires nations to take in people if the UN says so?

    What happens if there are no takers? Do they stay in Israel until? Go to some UN refugee camp?

    Whole thing sounds kind of odd. The UN could say they were resettling refugees on Mars, but that doesn’t mean they can do it.

    • Replies: @International Jew

    Is there some binding treaty or agreement that requires nations to take in people if the UN says so?
     
    The deal was cut with the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. Now are you impressed?

    But seriously, it was a terrible deal for everyone but the Africans. I could see Angela Merkel cynically selling the deal to Germans by saying, "Israel is a technological powerhouse and now we're getting thousands of Israeli residents!"
    , @German_reader

    Is there some binding treaty or agreement that requires nations to take in people if the UN says so?
     
    There are UN resettlement programmes. Apparently Merkel renewed Germany's obligations to them just last year.
  34. @reiner Tor
    OT

    The YouTube shooter is a female Persian animal rights vegan body builder. It always delights me when it's the diverse, but another Islamist would be kinda boring. But a Persian animal rights vegan body builder? Now that's interesting!

    On some photos she also looked hot.

    The internet is alive with the uniform opinion that she looks like a “Kill Bill” female assassin. If Tiny Duck weren’t Gay, he’d have her poster on his wall by now.

  35. Anon[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @reiner Tor
    It was never actually a big win for him to unload less than half of those tens of thousands in exchange for keeping the rest.

    Israel is an alt-right utopia if seen from our cucked nations, unfortunately even it itself is far more cucked than, say, China or even Japan. (Japan is more cucked than China, but less cucked than any Western nation.)

    In terms of immigration China is more lax on immigration atleast in practice than Japan. There is a community of thousands or tens of thousands of Africans in southern china alone, even if they get a bunch of shit and are occasionally harrased or deported. Do you mean that Japan is nore socially liberal on many issues, say perhaps gender roles and homosexuality(still no gay marriage tho)

  36. OT, pre-Godwinned post:

    Hither Green burglary death: Pensioner arrested for murder after stabbing

    A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a man was stabbed during a reported burglary this morning in Hither Green.

    One of the burglary suspects, a 37-year-old man, was stabbed in the during a struggle with the resident and later died from his injuries.

    Knife Surrender Bin.jpg

    Couldn’t find the “is that a butter knife, mate” pic

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Back when white guys were allowed to defend themselves.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWl8EbNN8NM
  37. @reiner Tor
    OT

    The YouTube shooter is a female Persian animal rights vegan body builder. It always delights me when it's the diverse, but another Islamist would be kinda boring. But a Persian animal rights vegan body builder? Now that's interesting!

    On some photos she also looked hot.

    Walmart going to ban rainbow flags now?

  38. @Jonathan Mason
    More likely that Net'n'yahoo received a Snapchat message from Trump telling him that Israel's aid would be cut off if he did not implement a reverse caravan crossing of the Red Sea.

    According to the Biblical book of Exodus, which is widely regarded to be true, the People of Israel emigrated from North Africa a couple of thousand years ago and settled in a land formerly flowing with milk (sheeps' milk, presumably) and honey somewhere near where modern Israel is now located.

    So the Africans in Israel probably ought to think about taking a hike back to Wakanda.

    I seriously doubt Trump threatened any aid. The Israelis know he could never get Congress to cut aid to Israel, especially if he can’t get them to secure our own borders. What the story says is most likely accurate, the hardliners in Israel were unwilling to keep the 19,000. My guess is that his next move will be an attempt to get another Western nation(besides Canada) to take the 19,000 rather than send anyone back to Africa. Trump did help just by the fact that if Crooked Hillary had won, it would be over and done with and the 19,000 would be on their way to the United States.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    The BBC (fwiw) reported that

    a) Bibi's rightish allies didn't like the idea of 50% staying in Israel, even if the rest went West

    b) he's politically pretty weak atm because of the various scandals surrounding his administration, so he's back with the status quo, which AFAIK is "prison or flight back to Africa". I'm sure he would still like to unload the lot on some gullible Western country if he could. Canada might just be stupid enough.
  39. @reiner Tor
    OT

    The YouTube shooter is a female Persian animal rights vegan body builder. It always delights me when it's the diverse, but another Islamist would be kinda boring. But a Persian animal rights vegan body builder? Now that's interesting!

    On some photos she also looked hot.

    If an anemic Pat Benatar is your idea of ‘hot’.

  40. The Jewish residents of south Tel Aviv let their political parties know that they didn’t want the Africans in their neighborhoods.

    Apparently the messaging was strong enough to get Netanyahu to change policy.

    Shipping the Africans to camps in the Negev desert looks to be the current plan.

    The left will counteract.

    Thank you for the edit function.

    OT Trump to send the military to the border if no wall funded?

  41. @istevefan

    Netanyahu figured that unloading 16,000 of Israel’s 35,000 African immigrants onto to goyishe kopf white gentile countries would be a masterstroke. But Bibi’s rightwing frenemies objected that it would be a concession that Israel couldn’t unload the other 19000 back to their native continent on the grounds that it would be inhuman to return Africans to Africa, a precedent that could well destroy the Jewish State over the rest of this century.
     
    And they would be wise to think this. Look at what happened to us after the "one-time" amnesty in 1986. Exactly. It never ends once you back down.

    After the big, joke Reagan Amnesty of 1986, which was supposed to be the last Amnesty ever, ever, ever, President George HW Bush managed to easily get a 40% per annum increase in the levels of “legal” Third-World immigration into the United States from the Democrat Congress of the time.

    Of course, when “legal” immigration is increased, illegal immigration increases commensurately. With Israel these days, getting rid of just some illegals means that the country gets to keep the lion’s share of resident illegals while attracting more illegals in the future. At this late date, hardly anybody in their right mind is fooled by this never-ending game of 3-card Monte when it comes to Third-World immigration.

  42. CJ says:
    @reiner Tor
    OT

    The YouTube shooter is a female Persian animal rights vegan body builder. It always delights me when it's the diverse, but another Islamist would be kinda boring. But a Persian animal rights vegan body builder? Now that's interesting!

    On some photos she also looked hot.

    The YouTube shooter is a female Persian animal rights vegan body builder.

    Yes, that news must have stopped a few budding narratives cold. For me, the operative phrase in that word salad is “animal rights”. I’ve been trying to tell people that animal rightsers are the craziest of the crazy, but so far they don’t believe me.

    • Replies: @International Jew

    Yes, that news must have stopped a few budding narratives cold.
     
    Yep.

    I’ve been trying to tell people that animal rightsers are the craziest of the crazy, but so far they don’t believe me.
     
    That is certainly true, but I thought by now it was pretty widely known. (Even if a personal encounter with an animal rights crazy can still be eye-opening.)
  43. @reiner Tor
    OT

    The YouTube shooter is a female Persian animal rights vegan body builder. It always delights me when it's the diverse, but another Islamist would be kinda boring. But a Persian animal rights vegan body builder? Now that's interesting!

    On some photos she also looked hot.

    The article says she had a Turkish and Farsi website, which means she is likely an Iranian Turk/Azeri.

  44. @reiner Tor
    OT

    The YouTube shooter is a female Persian animal rights vegan body builder. It always delights me when it's the diverse, but another Islamist would be kinda boring. But a Persian animal rights vegan body builder? Now that's interesting!

    On some photos she also looked hot.

    On some photos she also looked hot.

    You gotta be kidding, right? Geez!

  45. You can’t use “Welsh” that way because rayciss.

    • Replies: @Holden McGroin III
    That’s a bit niggardly.

    Incidentally there’s news from the friends of Dorothy; this week’s outrage hashtag is #MunchkinToo
  46. OT:

    Chicago Suburb Empowers Police Chief to Confiscate ‘Assault Weapons,’ ‘High Capacity’ Magazines

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/03/chicago-suburb-gives-residents-two-months-rid-homes-ar-15s-high-capacity-magazines/

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    "OT"

    I'm shocked, SCHOCKED to find AR bans in Deerfield, IL.

    Oh wait:

    "Deerfield Mayor Harriet Rosenthal ordered the new legislation after a gunman[...]"

    "Members of the village board in the northern Chicago suburb of Deerfield have voted unanimously to ban certain semi-automatic firearms."

    Who are the board members?

    Mayor Harriet Rosenthal, Trustee Robert "Bob" Benton, Trustee Tom Jester, Trustee Mary Oppenheim, Trustee Bill Seiden, Trustee Dan Shapiro, Trustee Barbara Struthers
  47. @reiner Tor
    OT

    The YouTube shooter is a female Persian animal rights vegan body builder. It always delights me when it's the diverse, but another Islamist would be kinda boring. But a Persian animal rights vegan body builder? Now that's interesting!

    On some photos she also looked hot.

    Where is this article? I couldn’t find it at Google News.

  48. @Dieter Kief
    That's major news - just not here.

    All quiet on the German-speaking immigration front. No Netanjahu to be seen or heard of in the news in Austria or Switzerland or Germany anywhere. Don't even mention this kind of supertoxic stuff. (Where would it lead us: to call Netanjahu racist? - That'd be the Merkel-logic, but that is an imossibility in itself, of course.

    Telling silence.

    No Netanjahu to be seen or heard of in the news in Austria or Switzerland or Germany anywhere

    Unless you read Die SZ, Germany’s leading left-of center “quality” paper

    http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/fluechtlingspolitik-israel-will-afrikanische-migranten-in-den-westen-umsiedeln-1.3928030

    or Frankfurter Allgemeine

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/israel-setzt-uebereinkunft-zu-afrikanischen-einwanderern-aus-15522993.html

    or the NZZ

    https://www.nzz.ch/international/israel-unhcr-siedelt-16-250-afrikanische-fluechtlinge-um-ld.1371158

    etc. etc. Maybe it’s not being covered on TV but I gave up on TV long ago.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    You're right, part of the story gets mentioned here and there in the quality papers - but to no big effect at all. It's like a second order camouflage. No government reaction, no parliamentary reaction, no discussion (I'm still waiting for the AfD to take action in this case).

    The latest version of the more or less unrestricted German immigration: It is no problem anymore, since last year there were only (!) ca. 180 000 immigrants...

    Meanwhile, the CSU secretary for (international) Developement, Gerd Müller, declares, we (he said: We!) have (have!) to create 20 Million jobs in Africa - - - annually!

    That then will help to prevent people from migrating. So: That's the official Merkel-Government-strategy: We (again: We!) will try (= h a v e to try....) to create 20 million African jobs / year...

    (If this is hope, then what's desperation?)

  49. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dieter Kief
    That's major news - just not here.

    All quiet on the German-speaking immigration front. No Netanjahu to be seen or heard of in the news in Austria or Switzerland or Germany anywhere. Don't even mention this kind of supertoxic stuff. (Where would it lead us: to call Netanjahu racist? - That'd be the Merkel-logic, but that is an imossibility in itself, of course.

    Telling silence.

    Switzerland’s still-renowned Neue Zurcher Zeitung (NZZ) did have a piece about Bertrando backing out of the UN deal which would have forced Israel to give permanent status to some 20,000 Africans.

    With the usual PC tut-tutting, NZZ does mention the crucial point that Israel has a useful deal with Rwanda to deport Eritreans and other third-country infiltrators to Rwanda.

    Keeping up the MSM TABOO on any mention of third-country deportation is the single biggest propaganda aim of the Soros-financed billionaire Left in its struggle to destroy the traditional working class throughout the West.

    With third-country deportation, all the supposed procedural problems obstructing deportation of “infiltrators” disappear. No passport? Lying about his country of origin? Lying about age? Long rap sheet back home? Rwanda will still accept you for a negotiated fee!

    The deportees also benefit because Rwanda will treat them acceptably to keep the deportation deal viable.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Correction: Bertrando => Netanyahu. (Autocorrect error.)
    , @Anonymous

    Rwanda will still accept you for a negotiated fee!
     
    Apparently Rwanda gets 4,000 Euro per deportee. Not sure how long of a stay this covers. Presumably, after a few weeks with nothing to do in Rwanda, most Eritreans and Sudanese discover that life back home was not so bad after all.

    BTW most Americans and Europeans are unaware that the so-called "refugees" invited into Europe by the billionaire cabal and its ululating priestesses are mostly drawn from the WELL-OFF classes in their home countries. Hence the iPhones and fashionable clothes that are de rigueur for any self-respecting "refugee."

  50. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Switzerland's still-renowned Neue Zurcher Zeitung (NZZ) did have a piece about Bertrando backing out of the UN deal which would have forced Israel to give permanent status to some 20,000 Africans.

    With the usual PC tut-tutting, NZZ does mention the crucial point that Israel has a useful deal with Rwanda to deport Eritreans and other third-country infiltrators to Rwanda.

    Keeping up the MSM TABOO on any mention of third-country deportation is the single biggest propaganda aim of the Soros-financed billionaire Left in its struggle to destroy the traditional working class throughout the West.

    With third-country deportation, all the supposed procedural problems obstructing deportation of "infiltrators" disappear. No passport? Lying about his country of origin? Lying about age? Long rap sheet back home? Rwanda will still accept you for a negotiated fee!

    The deportees also benefit because Rwanda will treat them acceptably to keep the deportation deal viable.

    Correction: Bertrando => Netanyahu. (Autocorrect error.)

  51. @reiner Tor
    OT

    The YouTube shooter is a female Persian animal rights vegan body builder. It always delights me when it's the diverse, but another Islamist would be kinda boring. But a Persian animal rights vegan body builder? Now that's interesting!

    On some photos she also looked hot.

    The undisputed iSteve Woman of the Year

  52. Anonymous[817] • Disclaimer says:

    Ironically the verb ‘to welsh’ as used in the iSteve strapline is actually a derogatory ethnic slur, resembling a similar ethnic slur verb ‘to J*w’ , which I believe was in use in the USA, if not by the late Michael Jackson in one of his songs, the meaning being similar in both cases.

    To ‘welsh’ on a bet generally means a bookmaker dishonoring his contract, and thus running off with the ‘punters’ money without distributing the winnings.
    It is of ancient English derivation, immortalizing an ethnic slur against the Welsh people – ancient inhabitants of the western peninsula of England, and having, (previously), a reputation for dishonesty, (……Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a thief…), ‘sharp practice’ and general swindling.

    The late Michael Foot MP, a veteran socialist and MP for a Welsh constituency once berated a senior Labour Party minister for the ‘inappropriate’ use of the term ‘welsh’.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    And "welsh" is actually Anglo-Saxon for "foreigner", so the poor Welsh are internalising their own oppression (in their English name - the Welsh language word for Wales is "Cymru").

    Dieter Kief - Hitler's ghost is only a problem because some people are determined to rattle his bones in front of us 24/7/365. It's as if the Brits in 1975 were still obsessing about the Mad Mahdi and Omdurman.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Omdurman

  53. @Rosamond Vincy
    You can't use "Welsh" that way because rayciss.

    That’s a bit niggardly.

    Incidentally there’s news from the friends of Dorothy; this week’s outrage hashtag is #MunchkinToo

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    There's a French salutation to your French slop.
  54. @reiner Tor
    OT

    The YouTube shooter is a female Persian animal rights vegan body builder. It always delights me when it's the diverse, but another Islamist would be kinda boring. But a Persian animal rights vegan body builder? Now that's interesting!

    On some photos she also looked hot.

    You think she looked hot? I briefly wondered if she might be trans, not because she looks masculine but just because she has this uncanny valley vibe, she looks plastic and somehow weird.

  55. @reiner Tor
    It was never actually a big win for him to unload less than half of those tens of thousands in exchange for keeping the rest.

    Israel is an alt-right utopia if seen from our cucked nations, unfortunately even it itself is far more cucked than, say, China or even Japan. (Japan is more cucked than China, but less cucked than any Western nation.)

    It was never actually a big win for him to unload less than half of those tens of thousands in exchange for keeping the rest.

    Netanyahu generally seems to be a solid guy when it comes to his job–looking out for the interests of Israelis. (I’m 100% not interested in his “hey you guys go fight Iran shtick”, but that’s a different issue.) White nations need their own Netanyahus.

    But he did screw up here and the Jewish Home guys were right to pull him up short.

    This is an issue where we’ve done the experiment and the wave packet has collapsed. The right number of blacks to allow into any non-black nation is … zero!

    You don’t want a foothold to take root. It will be a source of crime and dysfunction, and then politcal and social whining and contention. There is no upside.

    ~~

    One the the oddities of post-War history is the behavior of Europeans. One would think they’d have looked at the American experience and known better. (I’ve always told my scouts and my kids: “learn from your mistakes … even better learn from some other guy’s mistakes!” And try to tell them the story of my screwups so they can do better.)

    But instead, I think the Europeans instead looked at America’s racial issues and thought–jealously and dependency not being conducive to clear thought–“Those America hicks, look how they treat their blacks, just appalling. We would be much more enlightened and sophisticated.”

    How’s that working out?

    ~~

    Contra to all the “35-foot ladder” “can’t be stopped” naysayers, Israel easily stopped this invasion with a bit of fencing and policing. (The invasion of the West isn’t coming from people with modern weaponry, all that’s required to stop them is minimal backbone.)

    They can simply bribe most of their Africans to leave. Those who won’t volunteer, they can repatriate at the average cost of some avgas and a parachute.

    • Replies: @International Jew

    I’ve always told my scouts and my kids: “learn from your mistakes … even better learn from some other guy’s mistakes!” And try to tell them the story of my screwups so they can do better.
     
    Lol. I wish I could sell my experience for what it cost me.

    They can simply bribe most of their Africans to leave.
     
    The offer was a measly $3500. It could be upped, but much more productive would be to offer more to Rwanda to take them. Rwanda was a bad choice though. I assume it was picked because it's (these days) the least hellish black African country. My advice to Bibi is to work with a country run by a dictator who's in a financial bind — couldn't be hard to find — and offer him money directly.
    , @Anon
    The French long made hay about their "civilizing mission", and they outright integrated parts of the Empire into France (Guiana, New Caledonia, Mayotte, two small islands off Canada). Their old colonies in West Africa use the Euro.

    ---

    I think we have underestimated how much self-loathing exists among our own people. The faith was killed in the trenches of the First World War. The second world war, the genocides and the nuclear peril only confirmed that. The Third World population boom easily erased the colonial empires with the help of the AK-47.

    Many westerners outright consider black Africans to be "authentic" and themselves unworthy inheritors of an evil imperialist past.

    Strangely, the Jews seem to have revived their faith, and possibly the Russians might as well.
  56. @reiner Tor
    OT

    The YouTube shooter is a female Persian animal rights vegan body builder. It always delights me when it's the diverse, but another Islamist would be kinda boring. But a Persian animal rights vegan body builder? Now that's interesting!

    On some photos she also looked hot.

    She looks hot but extremely crazy.

  57. > the capitulation dented Mr. Netanyahu’s image as a master political player….

    is that how the NY Times sees it?

    around here, he looks like he pulled ANOTHER rabbit out of his hat.

    I haven’t heard any complaints at the coffee tables on the streetfront cafes, or at the falafel joints.

    I think getting your news of Israel from English-language sources is a serious error.

    Hebrew isn’t that difficult to learn to read. iSteve and half the commentariat here certainly seem obsessed enough with us.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    In Israel, both the elite left and the elite right overestimate their own importance in the discourse. For example, Israeli right-wing Twitter, where well-educated religious Ashkenazi Jews predominate, isn't an accurate gauge of the attitudes and opinions of the average Likud/Netanyahu supporter. They're somewhat analogous to those Ted Cruz supporters who opposed Trump from the right on the grounds of not being a "true conservative".
  58. @countenance
    There is one word in the last blockquote paragraph that provides the hint:

    Trumpeted.

    As in Trump.

    OCGE called Bibi and said "unh unh."

    In our dreams trumps not only cucked by rhe neo cucks and deep state in soldiers uninforms hes totally cuckd by having an all jewish family except the wife he keeps cheatin on. his forst move in office was give israel 40 billion no strings when he could have demanded they call off their leftist anti immigration

  59. @reiner Tor
    OT

    The YouTube shooter is a female Persian animal rights vegan body builder. It always delights me when it's the diverse, but another Islamist would be kinda boring. But a Persian animal rights vegan body builder? Now that's interesting!

    On some photos she also looked hot.

    female Persian animal rights vegan body builder

    …single at 38, that didn’t help. She was doing racy work-out videos that YouTube deemed ‘inappropriate’. I doubt she had an Islamist bone in her body.

    This is a canary in a coal mine, as millions of women beneficiaries of feminism get older, there will be mayhem. They are like fish out of water, animal rights will be the least of our problems.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
    Racy? What I saw was quaint modesty compared to much YT-sanctioned visual breeding calling, and a persuasive complaint video. YT, Fakebook, and Twatter have been too successful in encouraging masses to meld with the trons. Taken away, especially sneakily (shadow ban), some will snap. Surprised hasn't happened before now, but not surprised the first was female.
    , @AnotherDad

    This is a canary in a coal mine, as millions of women beneficiaries of feminism get older, there will be mayhem. They are like fish out of water, animal rights will be the least of our problems.
     
    Well said, Beckow.

    When i see these women acting out--hissy fit in print, at a demo, or in this case actual shooting--again and again you see the same thing ... they are simply out of their natural element. They haven't done what they should have done--become wives and mothers. All the female hormones and urges are at play but don't have their natural outlet. This is--at least in numbers--a new thing.

    We've always had some fraction of young males--their energies and urges not properly channelled for some reason--doing nasty violent or just weird stuff. But we get most guys either calmed down, locked up or killed off. But older men--even if not channelled into the family thing--have a role their particular interests (career, intellectual, social, recreational, etc.) Men have the hardware and software--interest in things and ideas--to do it.

    Women have no such orientation. Generally women who don't make a go at family life are nuts. And now we have more and more such women.
  60. Just round up the unwanted negro population and transport them to Gaza. Then it will be Okay to kill them.

  61. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Switzerland's still-renowned Neue Zurcher Zeitung (NZZ) did have a piece about Bertrando backing out of the UN deal which would have forced Israel to give permanent status to some 20,000 Africans.

    With the usual PC tut-tutting, NZZ does mention the crucial point that Israel has a useful deal with Rwanda to deport Eritreans and other third-country infiltrators to Rwanda.

    Keeping up the MSM TABOO on any mention of third-country deportation is the single biggest propaganda aim of the Soros-financed billionaire Left in its struggle to destroy the traditional working class throughout the West.

    With third-country deportation, all the supposed procedural problems obstructing deportation of "infiltrators" disappear. No passport? Lying about his country of origin? Lying about age? Long rap sheet back home? Rwanda will still accept you for a negotiated fee!

    The deportees also benefit because Rwanda will treat them acceptably to keep the deportation deal viable.

    Rwanda will still accept you for a negotiated fee!

    Apparently Rwanda gets 4,000 Euro per deportee. Not sure how long of a stay this covers. Presumably, after a few weeks with nothing to do in Rwanda, most Eritreans and Sudanese discover that life back home was not so bad after all.

    BTW most Americans and Europeans are unaware that the so-called “refugees” invited into Europe by the billionaire cabal and its ululating priestesses are mostly drawn from the WELL-OFF classes in their home countries. Hence the iPhones and fashionable clothes that are de rigueur for any self-respecting “refugee.”

  62. Contra Whiskey, Israeli women would be happy to see these migrants go. They are more likely to vote for Leftist parties on economic rather than cultural issues. In other words, like your average woman everywhere, they’re national socialists.

    https://scholars.huji.ac.il/sites/default/files/odeliaoshri/files/5.pdf

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    I agree Israeli women are different and have said so many times. Israeli men are plausible killers during military service hence sexy and worth keeping.

    Not so other Western men. Women's devotion to their men is a direct function of their men's mate value i.e. Sexiness.

    Rwanda btw benefits from lots of non Hutus as a barrier to those in the Congo
  63. @Sunbeam
    How would this thing have worked exactly, if it had gone through?

    " he reneged on a deal with the United Nations to resettle thousands of African asylum seekers in Western countries."

    Is there some binding treaty or agreement that requires nations to take in people if the UN says so?

    What happens if there are no takers? Do they stay in Israel until? Go to some UN refugee camp?

    Whole thing sounds kind of odd. The UN could say they were resettling refugees on Mars, but that doesn't mean they can do it.

    Is there some binding treaty or agreement that requires nations to take in people if the UN says so?

    The deal was cut with the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. Now are you impressed?

    But seriously, it was a terrible deal for everyone but the Africans. I could see Angela Merkel cynically selling the deal to Germans by saying, “Israel is a technological powerhouse and now we’re getting thousands of Israeli residents!”

  64. @countenance
    There is one word in the last blockquote paragraph that provides the hint:

    Trumpeted.

    As in Trump.

    OCGE called Bibi and said "unh unh."

    These events have nothing to do with Trump or the United States.

  65. @CJ

    The YouTube shooter is a female Persian animal rights vegan body builder.
     
    Yes, that news must have stopped a few budding narratives cold. For me, the operative phrase in that word salad is "animal rights". I've been trying to tell people that animal rightsers are the craziest of the crazy, but so far they don't believe me.

    Yes, that news must have stopped a few budding narratives cold.

    Yep.

    I’ve been trying to tell people that animal rightsers are the craziest of the crazy, but so far they don’t believe me.

    That is certainly true, but I thought by now it was pretty widely known. (Even if a personal encounter with an animal rights crazy can still be eye-opening.)

    • Agree: bomag
  66. If this linguistic history is true then I thank the Welsh for their graciousness in not being as sensitive as so many other groups.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    They're not Woke yet.
  67. It is true that Canada or Germany or whichever country would have to willingly accept these African migrants, but even if they do, it is bad PR for Israel nonetheless – especially in the eyes of western nationalists (who may be a minority in these countries, but whose sympathy is important). So I wish Netanyahu would refuse to make such a deal of “dumping” these migrants on cucked western countries and simply deport the migrants to their ports of origin in Africa. Ignore the whining of the United Nations. It’s easy if you try.

  68. @Beckow

    female Persian animal rights vegan body builder
     
    ...single at 38, that didn't help. She was doing racy work-out videos that YouTube deemed 'inappropriate'. I doubt she had an Islamist bone in her body.

    This is a canary in a coal mine, as millions of women beneficiaries of feminism get older, there will be mayhem. They are like fish out of water, animal rights will be the least of our problems.

    Racy? What I saw was quaint modesty compared to much YT-sanctioned visual breeding calling, and a persuasive complaint video. YT, Fakebook, and Twatter have been too successful in encouraging masses to meld with the trons. Taken away, especially sneakily (shadow ban), some will snap. Surprised hasn’t happened before now, but not surprised the first was female.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    YT, Fakebook, and Twatter have been too successful in encouraging masses to meld with the trons. Taken away, especially sneakily (shadow ban), some will snap. Surprised hasn’t happened before now, but not surprised the first was female.
     
    All these orgs are ramping up security so no shooter will ever get inside again. It would be hilarious if they have to close off some entrances and install metal detectors like they are at Parkland High School. How about mandating transparent backpacks for all who enter Google YT Facebook doors. This is the new rule - law at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. David Hogg was bi**hing about this.

    Demonetization?.... for sure YT needs more armed guards to deter the internet riff raff.

  69. @Karl
    > the capitulation dented Mr. Netanyahu’s image as a master political player….


    is that how the NY Times sees it?

    around here, he looks like he pulled ANOTHER rabbit out of his hat.

    I haven't heard any complaints at the coffee tables on the streetfront cafes, or at the falafel joints.


    I think getting your news of Israel from English-language sources is a serious error.

    Hebrew isn't that difficult to learn to read. iSteve and half the commentariat here certainly seem obsessed enough with us.

    In Israel, both the elite left and the elite right overestimate their own importance in the discourse. For example, Israeli right-wing Twitter, where well-educated religious Ashkenazi Jews predominate, isn’t an accurate gauge of the attitudes and opinions of the average Likud/Netanyahu supporter. They’re somewhat analogous to those Ted Cruz supporters who opposed Trump from the right on the grounds of not being a “true conservative”.

  70. @AnotherDad

    It was never actually a big win for him to unload less than half of those tens of thousands in exchange for keeping the rest.
     
    Netanyahu generally seems to be a solid guy when it comes to his job--looking out for the interests of Israelis. (I'm 100% not interested in his "hey you guys go fight Iran shtick", but that's a different issue.) White nations need their own Netanyahus.

    But he did screw up here and the Jewish Home guys were right to pull him up short.

    This is an issue where we've done the experiment and the wave packet has collapsed. The right number of blacks to allow into any non-black nation is ... zero!

    You don't want a foothold to take root. It will be a source of crime and dysfunction, and then politcal and social whining and contention. There is no upside.

    ~~

    One the the oddities of post-War history is the behavior of Europeans. One would think they'd have looked at the American experience and known better. (I've always told my scouts and my kids: "learn from your mistakes ... even better learn from some other guy's mistakes!" And try to tell them the story of my screwups so they can do better.)

    But instead, I think the Europeans instead looked at America's racial issues and thought--jealously and dependency not being conducive to clear thought--"Those America hicks, look how they treat their blacks, just appalling. We would be much more enlightened and sophisticated."

    How's that working out?

    ~~

    Contra to all the "35-foot ladder" "can't be stopped" naysayers, Israel easily stopped this invasion with a bit of fencing and policing. (The invasion of the West isn't coming from people with modern weaponry, all that's required to stop them is minimal backbone.)

    They can simply bribe most of their Africans to leave. Those who won't volunteer, they can repatriate at the average cost of some avgas and a parachute.

    I’ve always told my scouts and my kids: “learn from your mistakes … even better learn from some other guy’s mistakes!” And try to tell them the story of my screwups so they can do better.

    Lol. I wish I could sell my experience for what it cost me.

    They can simply bribe most of their Africans to leave.

    The offer was a measly $3500. It could be upped, but much more productive would be to offer more to Rwanda to take them. Rwanda was a bad choice though. I assume it was picked because it’s (these days) the least hellish black African country. My advice to Bibi is to work with a country run by a dictator who’s in a financial bind — couldn’t be hard to find — and offer him money directly.

    • Replies: @Ed
    Rumor has it such a deal is being worked on by Uganda. The problem is that African countries are very dependent on foreign aid and even the UN. The UN/NGOs object to this so they don’t want to anger them. That’s why Rwanda fell through.

    There are stable African countries that they could be relocated to. Ghana hosted thousands of Liberian & Sierra Leone refugees for decades. Kenya host the largest UN refugee camp in the world. It would probably be an ideal place to place Israel’s refugees since it’s close to Sudan & Eritrea, the origin of most of its refugees.

    Problem is Kenya wants to close the camp and isn’t as desperate for Israel $$$ as other nations.
  71. @Svigor
    I was hoping it was fear of pushing the (Western) right further toward ANTISEMITISM!!!, or angering Visegrad, or something like that. Oh, well.

    Netanyahu figured that unloading 16,000 of Israel’s 35,000 African immigrants onto to goyishe kopf white gentile countries would be a masterstroke.
     
    And Jews here wanna know why I act like Netanyahu isn't our friend.

    You are the perfect person to ask this question, but anyone is welcome to answer: how did these wily Jews allow 90K Africans to slip over the border & enter the country? From Sinai, which is difficult to cross?

  72. Steve, there’s a 4D Chess explanation. Bibi “accepted” the UN deal to pressure two other stakeholders:

    1. Rwanda, to show them they need to act fast, if they want their money (and you can be sure Israel is paying bribes to the key people in Rwanda).

    2. Israeli liberals: the remaining Africans were to be distributed all over Israel. To take the burden off south Tel Aviv, of course. But that could mean Africans in, gulp!, the liberals’ back yards.

    Anyway, we’ll see…

    • Replies: @IHTG
    The real 4D Chess is that these events convinced Moshe Kahlon's Kulanu, the most moderate party in Netanyahu's coalition and self-styled defenders of the Supreme Court, to get off the fence and support a law that will override Israel's constitutional Basic Laws, which the Supreme Court uses as a cudgel to prevent deportation.

    You can read about that here: http://lib.civics.cet.ac.il/pages/item.asp?item=20372 (use Google Translate)

  73. @Sunbeam
    How would this thing have worked exactly, if it had gone through?

    " he reneged on a deal with the United Nations to resettle thousands of African asylum seekers in Western countries."

    Is there some binding treaty or agreement that requires nations to take in people if the UN says so?

    What happens if there are no takers? Do they stay in Israel until? Go to some UN refugee camp?

    Whole thing sounds kind of odd. The UN could say they were resettling refugees on Mars, but that doesn't mean they can do it.

    Is there some binding treaty or agreement that requires nations to take in people if the UN says so?

    There are UN resettlement programmes. Apparently Merkel renewed Germany’s obligations to them just last year.

  74. @rogue-one
    >“We want the state of Israel to remain a Jewish state,” he said. “And this means sticking to the right migration policy.”

    Imagine if someone said "We want the state of France to remain a French state. And this means sticking to the right migration policy."

    Le Figaro & NYT would be denouncing him as literal Hitler.

    Ethno-nationalism for me but not for thee, goy.

  75. @Beckow

    female Persian animal rights vegan body builder
     
    ...single at 38, that didn't help. She was doing racy work-out videos that YouTube deemed 'inappropriate'. I doubt she had an Islamist bone in her body.

    This is a canary in a coal mine, as millions of women beneficiaries of feminism get older, there will be mayhem. They are like fish out of water, animal rights will be the least of our problems.

    This is a canary in a coal mine, as millions of women beneficiaries of feminism get older, there will be mayhem. They are like fish out of water, animal rights will be the least of our problems.

    Well said, Beckow.

    When i see these women acting out–hissy fit in print, at a demo, or in this case actual shooting–again and again you see the same thing … they are simply out of their natural element. They haven’t done what they should have done–become wives and mothers. All the female hormones and urges are at play but don’t have their natural outlet. This is–at least in numbers–a new thing.

    We’ve always had some fraction of young males–their energies and urges not properly channelled for some reason–doing nasty violent or just weird stuff. But we get most guys either calmed down, locked up or killed off. But older men–even if not channelled into the family thing–have a role their particular interests (career, intellectual, social, recreational, etc.) Men have the hardware and software–interest in things and ideas–to do it.

    Women have no such orientation. Generally women who don’t make a go at family life are nuts. And now we have more and more such women.

    • Replies: @Da'Quan Jaxson
    "Women have no such orientation. Generally women who don’t make a go at family life are nuts. And now we have more and more such women."

    It's true that unmarried, childless, middle-age women tend to have a lot of issues. However, correlation does not mean causation. This woman was likely screwed up in the head a very long time ago. I doubt getting married and having kids would have made her into a normal woman who happily f*cks her husband, takes care of the kids, etc.

    Hypothesis: young women are more f*ck up today than they were 20 years ago. Not sure what it is exactly. Unrealistic expectations? Being completely divorced from reality?
    , @Rosie

    Men have the hardware and software–interest in things and ideas–to do it.
     
    Um, women have interests in things and ideas, too. There have always been spinsters, and they have managed just fine. I think the difference is that now they don't have nieces or nephews either, and if they do they live far away. They may not feel any kinship with the local children, who may be culturally alien. It's not unusual for neighborhood schools to be demographically radically different from the surrounding communities. They don't have a family, and they're bowling alone.
    , @Beckow

    Generally women who don’t make a go at family life are nuts. And now we have more and more such women.
     
    Yes, it is going to get ugly as they age. They will be loud, angry, volatile, unpleasant, and no society has the means to handle them. Like millions of Hillary types egging each other on, going more and more into the abyss of meaningless existence and blaming everybody else for it.

    We might need lots of cheap wine and cats. They will eventually die off, but who will replace them? I suspect this is the way it looks when civilisations get exhausted and collapse. Rebellions against nature don't succeed any more than the rebellions against geography.
  76. @International Jew
    Steve, there's a 4D Chess explanation. Bibi "accepted" the UN deal to pressure two other stakeholders:

    1. Rwanda, to show them they need to act fast, if they want their money (and you can be sure Israel is paying bribes to the key people in Rwanda).

    2. Israeli liberals: the remaining Africans were to be distributed all over Israel. To take the burden off south Tel Aviv, of course. But that could mean Africans in, gulp!, the liberals' back yards.

    Anyway, we'll see...

    The real 4D Chess is that these events convinced Moshe Kahlon’s Kulanu, the most moderate party in Netanyahu’s coalition and self-styled defenders of the Supreme Court, to get off the fence and support a law that will override Israel’s constitutional Basic Laws, which the Supreme Court uses as a cudgel to prevent deportation.

    You can read about that here: http://lib.civics.cet.ac.il/pages/item.asp?item=20372 (use Google Translate)

    • Replies: @International Jew
    Thanks. The last paragraph there is key: Parliament can already override the Court on matters of employment law, and the new proposal is to extend that to all other matters.

    That seems like a blunt instrument that would make the Court irrelevant. Or rather, return it to the far more modest powers it had before the 1980s — and here I'm drawing on what I learned from Daniel Friedmann's excellent (but difficult) _The Purse and the Hammer_.
  77. @Holden McGroin III
    That’s a bit niggardly.

    Incidentally there’s news from the friends of Dorothy; this week’s outrage hashtag is #MunchkinToo

    There’s a French salutation to your French slop.

  78. @DaninMD
    If this linguistic history is true then I thank the Welsh for their graciousness in not being as sensitive as so many other groups.

    They’re not Woke yet.

  79. Anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    It was never actually a big win for him to unload less than half of those tens of thousands in exchange for keeping the rest.
     
    Netanyahu generally seems to be a solid guy when it comes to his job--looking out for the interests of Israelis. (I'm 100% not interested in his "hey you guys go fight Iran shtick", but that's a different issue.) White nations need their own Netanyahus.

    But he did screw up here and the Jewish Home guys were right to pull him up short.

    This is an issue where we've done the experiment and the wave packet has collapsed. The right number of blacks to allow into any non-black nation is ... zero!

    You don't want a foothold to take root. It will be a source of crime and dysfunction, and then politcal and social whining and contention. There is no upside.

    ~~

    One the the oddities of post-War history is the behavior of Europeans. One would think they'd have looked at the American experience and known better. (I've always told my scouts and my kids: "learn from your mistakes ... even better learn from some other guy's mistakes!" And try to tell them the story of my screwups so they can do better.)

    But instead, I think the Europeans instead looked at America's racial issues and thought--jealously and dependency not being conducive to clear thought--"Those America hicks, look how they treat their blacks, just appalling. We would be much more enlightened and sophisticated."

    How's that working out?

    ~~

    Contra to all the "35-foot ladder" "can't be stopped" naysayers, Israel easily stopped this invasion with a bit of fencing and policing. (The invasion of the West isn't coming from people with modern weaponry, all that's required to stop them is minimal backbone.)

    They can simply bribe most of their Africans to leave. Those who won't volunteer, they can repatriate at the average cost of some avgas and a parachute.

    The French long made hay about their “civilizing mission”, and they outright integrated parts of the Empire into France (Guiana, New Caledonia, Mayotte, two small islands off Canada). Their old colonies in West Africa use the Euro.

    I think we have underestimated how much self-loathing exists among our own people. The faith was killed in the trenches of the First World War. The second world war, the genocides and the nuclear peril only confirmed that. The Third World population boom easily erased the colonial empires with the help of the AK-47.

    Many westerners outright consider black Africans to be “authentic” and themselves unworthy inheritors of an evil imperialist past.

    Strangely, the Jews seem to have revived their faith, and possibly the Russians might as well.

  80. Anonymous[817] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    Netanyahu better nix the Third World infiltrator transfer scheme right quick or he will lose any remaining support he might have from patriotic European Christian nationalists. Netanyahu and the Likud louts better cut out this nonsense of flooding these Third World infiltrators into European Christian nations.

    Shelly Adelson won't save Netanyahu when White Core Americans and White Patriot Nationalists in Europe see the disgusting hypocrisy of Israel and the diaspora Jews in this Third World infiltrator transfer business. The Jews in Israel and the diaspora Jews ought to consider us angry European Christians as similar to the regular Jews of modest means in South Tel Aviv who have had enough of these infiltrators too.

    Install an air corridor in Africa; secure a landing strip; drop off the infiltrators and be done with it, dammit!

    If I had ten divisions of Germans from the Great Lakes states and ten divisions of Anglo-Celts from the Southern states the problems caused by mass immigration and the Merkel creatures in Germany, Austria and every other nation in Europe would be over very quickly.

    The people who are *really* culpable are the European ‘leaders’ dumb enough to agree to this shit.
    They should be named and shamed.

  81. @George
    Was there ever a deal? The UN itself can only sprinkle holy water on a deal, actual countries have to accept refugees. My guess is that behind the scenes money changed hands, but even Rwanda backed out after the deal became public.

    This is also a lesson to immigration patriots, a couple of thousand dollars in exchange for repatriation will not cut it. You might get away with a small payment if you deport people immediately on entry, but not after decades. Suggestion to Israel: Section 8 housing choice voucher equivalent housing program in Eritrea, or anywhere else.

    You might get away with a small payment if you deport people immediately on entry, but not after decades.

    Indeed. Illegal immigration policy functions like squatter policy in real estate.

    If I own a house and it’s currently empty (maybe in between renters or in prep for renovations), anyone can waltz in when I’m not looking and legally stay there for months or years.

    If I’m around when Mr. Squatter tries to get in, well then, I can manhandle him out, call the police for trespassing, and so on. However, if I’m not around, and Mr. Squatter sets up a cot, brings in some food, and starts using the shower, then all of a sudden he can claim squatter’s rights. I cannot manhandle him out (unless I want to get arrested), I cannot call the police for trespassing, etc. I must now to go through a long, expensive legal process to get him removed.

    Immigration policy is the same. If an illegal immigrant gets caught at the border or within a few days of illegal entry, on the bus he goes. However, if he avoids detection, moves into an apartment, starts buying beer at the local liquor store, maybe enrolls his kid in the local school, he can now claim squatter’s rights in his new homeland. Removing him is a difficult and expensive process, so the state doesn’t bother.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    If I’m around when Mr. Squatter tries to get in, well then, I can manhandle him out, call the police for trespassing, and so on. However, if I’m not around, and Mr. Squatter sets up a cot, brings in some food, and starts using the shower, then all of a sudden he can claim squatter’s rights. I cannot manhandle him out (unless I want to get arrested), I cannot call the police for trespassing, etc. I must now to go through a long, expensive legal process to get him removed.

    Immigration policy is the same. If an illegal immigrant gets caught at the border or within a few days of illegal entry, on the bus he goes.
     

    You are making an excellent point. But for illegals caught at our border, it is only Mexicans who are immediately sent home on a "Migra" bus. After being gavelled through in a quickie expedited judicial process. No Central American is sent back home on a bus. They must be flown back and none are ever immediately hustled onto airplanes and sent back home. It is a long and drawn out judicial process to get rid of Central Americans who manage to cross our border and are even stopped and arrested near our border. Same for Hindus, Chinese, Nepalese, Peruvians and so on.

    Summary: If you are an illegal alien who has made it a few feet into America, it pays to be anything but a Mexican. We must have lots of Mexican border jumpers these days who are faking at being from Central America. and claiming asylum and refugee status.

    , @Dave Pinsen
    Legally, squatters’ rights take a long time to kick in though, depending on the jurisdiction. Could be 10-15 years.
  82. @Anon
    O/T

    http://goodtimes.sc/cover-stories/impact-santa-cruz-county-agriculture-labor-shortage/

    Barajas cites Swanton Berry Farm as an example that other farms could emulate. The 80-acre organic farm is famous as the first certified organic farm in the U.S. to sign a labor contract with the UFW and offer its workers an employee stock ownership program, in addition to health insurance, vacation and holiday pay, low income housing on site, pensions and other benefits. While some farmers have already integrated some of these benefits, for others it would require a significant change to operations.

    Looking toward the future, Peixoto believes that more needs to be done to encourage younger generations to pursue careers in agriculture, an industry that he feels has not earned its bad reputation.
     

    From salt to cotton to blackberries, luxury goods fuel the cycles of history.

  83. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon
    Israel should deport them to South Africa. South Africa is a paradise now, right?

    Seriously, they should deport them to whatever African countries are not war zones - there are several that fit that bill. Perhaps they could pay Kenya or Uganda to take them. As commenter istevefan said, they shouldn't set the precedent by keeping even one of them.

    But they should not send them to the West.

    Israel does have a deal with Rwanda whereby Rwanda takes third-country infiltrators off Israel’s hands, for a fee said to be about 4,000 Euro a head.

    A similar deal is said to have been reached with Uganda.

    This simple solution is probably the reason the globalist UN stepped in. They are desperate not to let third-country deportations become a common practice.

  84. 32,000 Africans? Sure, I can deport 16,000 Africans. But it will take quite some time to find all those 8,000 Africans. And Likud might oppose deporting those 4,000 Africans. I will get on live television to announce my plan to deport those 2,000 Africans.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Bibo's Arrow Paradox
  85. The migrants…cannot be returned to their own countries under international conventions for fear of persecution.

    Definition of shithole country:
    International conventions prohibit it’s emmigrants to be returned to them.

  86. @MikeatMikedotMike
    OT:

    Chicago Suburb Empowers Police Chief to Confiscate ‘Assault Weapons,’ ‘High Capacity’ Magazines

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/03/chicago-suburb-gives-residents-two-months-rid-homes-ar-15s-high-capacity-magazines/

    “OT”

    I’m shocked, SCHOCKED to find AR bans in Deerfield, IL.

    Oh wait:

    “Deerfield Mayor Harriet Rosenthal ordered the new legislation after a gunman[…]”

    “Members of the village board in the northern Chicago suburb of Deerfield have voted unanimously to ban certain semi-automatic firearms.”

    Who are the board members?

    Mayor Harriet Rosenthal, Trustee Robert “Bob” Benton, Trustee Tom Jester, Trustee Mary Oppenheim, Trustee Bill Seiden, Trustee Dan Shapiro, Trustee Barbara Struthers

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    No Cohen?
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2018/04/most-people-have-favorable-view-of-nra.html
  87. @George
    Was there ever a deal? The UN itself can only sprinkle holy water on a deal, actual countries have to accept refugees. My guess is that behind the scenes money changed hands, but even Rwanda backed out after the deal became public.

    This is also a lesson to immigration patriots, a couple of thousand dollars in exchange for repatriation will not cut it. You might get away with a small payment if you deport people immediately on entry, but not after decades. Suggestion to Israel: Section 8 housing choice voucher equivalent housing program in Eritrea, or anywhere else.

    Right. Italy outright denied any deal was made. Germany didn’t reject or deny but that no final decision was made.

    Canada acknowledged a deal and I suspect would be willing to take all of them.

    • Replies: @Little spoon
    The deal was probably not made with the elected officials in any country. Rather the deal was made between a well funded Jewish activist group and the unhcr, which is largely run by Jews too.

    The un has been trying this inane deal time and time again. They are obsessed with subverting the law which says refugees must claim asylum in the first country they reach. Instead the un wants to distribute refugees across western nations regardless of where they land. Germany may have accepted the deal because they themselves are trying to unload refugees into Eastern Europe. They might have looked hypocritical if they refused Israel’s offer to distribute refugees.

    The distribution idea was never Bibis idea. He is happy to send Africans back to Africa. It was pushed onto him by a well connected international Jewish lobby. That lobby is destroying the world over, including Israel.
  88. Ed says:
    @rogue-one
    >“We want the state of Israel to remain a Jewish state,” he said. “And this means sticking to the right migration policy.”

    Imagine if someone said "We want the state of France to remain a French state. And this means sticking to the right migration policy."

    Le Figaro & NYT would be denouncing him as literal Hitler.

    There is nothing preventing French people from doing this in fact there’s a party that openly runs on such a platform. French Jews make a minor part of France they do not control the minds of millions of French people.

    Place your frustrations (are you even French?) where they belong. The masses of French people that either don’t care or support a multiethnic France. It should be pointed out that France still has overseas departments in South America, Caribbean and Africa, where residents are free to come and go to the mainland. So you’ll never get your all white France.

    • Replies: @rogue-one
    I didn't blame jews (or in fact anyone apart from elite media) for anything in my comment. I don't see why you are getting so defensive.

    I was simply pointing the fact that elite media, for some reason (perhaps post-war guilt or maybe something else I don't know), has one set of standards for Israel, another for other western states.

    , @Z-man
    Interesting why my comments on this post are constantly being blocked. There really is a Zionist conspiracy!
  89. Reading Netanyahu’s Facebook page is fascinating. Also Breitbart’s coverage of this is informative: http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/04/03/3-apr-18-world-view-israels-government-in-turmoil-over-failure-to-deport-african-migrants/

    In the past two years I have been working with Rwanda so that it will serve as a third country’ that absorbs infiltrators who will be deported without their consent. This is the only legal way for us to deport infiltrators without their consent, after the rest of our moves have been legally disqualified. Rwanda agreed to this and began the deportation operation.

    In recent weeks, under tremendous pressure on Rwanda by the New Israel Fund and elements in the European Union, Rwanda withdrew from the agreement and has refused to absorb infiltrators from Israel who are forcibly removed.

    From the moment that it became clear in the last few weeks that the third country as an option does not exist, we in effect entered a trap that meant all of them would stay.

    Netanyahu refers to illegal immigrants as “infiltrators”. That is hard line language. Netanyahu says that they “entered a trap” to be forced to allow any unwanted immigrants to stay and would not be allowed to forcibly deport illegal immigrants. Netanyahu rails against George Soros. So much for that being an anti-semitic thing.

    I’d also note that Saudi Arabia can forcibly deport 10k illegal immigrant Africans and the global press doesn’t cover it or utter a peep.

  90. Ed says:
    @International Jew

    I’ve always told my scouts and my kids: “learn from your mistakes … even better learn from some other guy’s mistakes!” And try to tell them the story of my screwups so they can do better.
     
    Lol. I wish I could sell my experience for what it cost me.

    They can simply bribe most of their Africans to leave.
     
    The offer was a measly $3500. It could be upped, but much more productive would be to offer more to Rwanda to take them. Rwanda was a bad choice though. I assume it was picked because it's (these days) the least hellish black African country. My advice to Bibi is to work with a country run by a dictator who's in a financial bind — couldn't be hard to find — and offer him money directly.

    Rumor has it such a deal is being worked on by Uganda. The problem is that African countries are very dependent on foreign aid and even the UN. The UN/NGOs object to this so they don’t want to anger them. That’s why Rwanda fell through.

    There are stable African countries that they could be relocated to. Ghana hosted thousands of Liberian & Sierra Leone refugees for decades. Kenya host the largest UN refugee camp in the world. It would probably be an ideal place to place Israel’s refugees since it’s close to Sudan & Eritrea, the origin of most of its refugees.

    Problem is Kenya wants to close the camp and isn’t as desperate for Israel $$$ as other nations.

    • Replies: @Little spoon
    If our leaders would give us the option of increasing funding to these camps in Africa in exchange for an absolute moratorium on African refugee resettlement outside Africa, donations would be pouring in.

    I would be willing to donate 1% of my income every year to funding the maintainence of refugees in Africa for the rest of my life if it meant that no African refugees or economic migrants would ever be resettled outside Africa. I bet plenty of other westerners would open up their pocketbooks for that too.
    , @LKM
    Can you blame them? It's full of Somalis.
  91. @Dieter Kief
    That's major news - just not here.

    All quiet on the German-speaking immigration front. No Netanjahu to be seen or heard of in the news in Austria or Switzerland or Germany anywhere. Don't even mention this kind of supertoxic stuff. (Where would it lead us: to call Netanjahu racist? - That'd be the Merkel-logic, but that is an imossibility in itself, of course.

    Telling silence.

    Related: it seemed like Merkel’s admission a few weeks ago that “no-go zones” exist in Germany got a fair amount of attention in the mainstream English-language press (AP, Yahoo News) but received almost no coverage in German media. Was this your impression as well?

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    Larry - funny as it may sound, I care very little for what Angela Merkel is saying, because I have come to this conclusion a few years back: She knows very little about everyday life of everyday people.

    A) Angela Merkel

    I mostly look for reactions to what she says, and if there are cracks to be seen - cracks so to speak in the reaction to what she says about the Euro and about migration especially.

    She is decent and she does not lie to people: She is a firm believer in the magic dirt mantra of the western scientific elite - an she is no cynic. - And she has lived in East-Germany, daughter of a Lutheran leftist (!) priest, who had moved from the West to the East (!), on a very low level of riches. So: For her personally, there could well be no problem at all, if the economy declines even further. That society desintegrates, slowly, but steadily, is absolutely beyond her mindset about human life. - See: She doesn't even need to be a cynic, since she doesn't get, what that'd be good for.

    B) A young German landscape-gardener

    A young relative of mine, a landscape-gardener, just moved to Switzerland, because all he could afford in Stuttgart with his regular small wage is a two room apartment. In Switzerland, he moved in a four room apartment - and has still roughly a quarter more than the German money left every month. He is much better off there. He is looking for a wife now, and a family.
  92. A small victory for Western nations, a big win for Israel, just as his right-wing detractors have pointed out. The deal would have further incentivised attempts to reach Israel, and established a precedent.

    It kinda seems like the Jews really want to survive.

  93. @Ed
    Rumor has it such a deal is being worked on by Uganda. The problem is that African countries are very dependent on foreign aid and even the UN. The UN/NGOs object to this so they don’t want to anger them. That’s why Rwanda fell through.

    There are stable African countries that they could be relocated to. Ghana hosted thousands of Liberian & Sierra Leone refugees for decades. Kenya host the largest UN refugee camp in the world. It would probably be an ideal place to place Israel’s refugees since it’s close to Sudan & Eritrea, the origin of most of its refugees.

    Problem is Kenya wants to close the camp and isn’t as desperate for Israel $$$ as other nations.

    If our leaders would give us the option of increasing funding to these camps in Africa in exchange for an absolute moratorium on African refugee resettlement outside Africa, donations would be pouring in.

    I would be willing to donate 1% of my income every year to funding the maintainence of refugees in Africa for the rest of my life if it meant that no African refugees or economic migrants would ever be resettled outside Africa. I bet plenty of other westerners would open up their pocketbooks for that too.

    • Replies: @Truth

    I would be willing to donate 1% of my income
     
    Well now, don't put yourself out with that level of severe sacrifice, Bro.
  94. @Ed
    Right. Italy outright denied any deal was made. Germany didn’t reject or deny but that no final decision was made.

    Canada acknowledged a deal and I suspect would be willing to take all of them.

    The deal was probably not made with the elected officials in any country. Rather the deal was made between a well funded Jewish activist group and the unhcr, which is largely run by Jews too.

    The un has been trying this inane deal time and time again. They are obsessed with subverting the law which says refugees must claim asylum in the first country they reach. Instead the un wants to distribute refugees across western nations regardless of where they land. Germany may have accepted the deal because they themselves are trying to unload refugees into Eastern Europe. They might have looked hypocritical if they refused Israel’s offer to distribute refugees.

    The distribution idea was never Bibis idea. He is happy to send Africans back to Africa. It was pushed onto him by a well connected international Jewish lobby. That lobby is destroying the world over, including Israel.

  95. @AnotherDad

    This is a canary in a coal mine, as millions of women beneficiaries of feminism get older, there will be mayhem. They are like fish out of water, animal rights will be the least of our problems.
     
    Well said, Beckow.

    When i see these women acting out--hissy fit in print, at a demo, or in this case actual shooting--again and again you see the same thing ... they are simply out of their natural element. They haven't done what they should have done--become wives and mothers. All the female hormones and urges are at play but don't have their natural outlet. This is--at least in numbers--a new thing.

    We've always had some fraction of young males--their energies and urges not properly channelled for some reason--doing nasty violent or just weird stuff. But we get most guys either calmed down, locked up or killed off. But older men--even if not channelled into the family thing--have a role their particular interests (career, intellectual, social, recreational, etc.) Men have the hardware and software--interest in things and ideas--to do it.

    Women have no such orientation. Generally women who don't make a go at family life are nuts. And now we have more and more such women.

    “Women have no such orientation. Generally women who don’t make a go at family life are nuts. And now we have more and more such women.”

    It’s true that unmarried, childless, middle-age women tend to have a lot of issues. However, correlation does not mean causation. This woman was likely screwed up in the head a very long time ago. I doubt getting married and having kids would have made her into a normal woman who happily f*cks her husband, takes care of the kids, etc.

    Hypothesis: young women are more f*ck up today than they were 20 years ago. Not sure what it is exactly. Unrealistic expectations? Being completely divorced from reality?

  96. it would be inhuman to return Africans to Africa,

    Ah, now I understand why cities like Portland, ME, and Mpls, MN, are being Mogadished.

    Africans in America don’t have to live in terrible inhumane Africa, or horrible racist America, but a lovely new rainbow fluffy bunny urbanish hybrid occupied by Africas in America and paid for by Americans in America.

  97. @Dieter Kief
    That's major news - just not here.

    All quiet on the German-speaking immigration front. No Netanjahu to be seen or heard of in the news in Austria or Switzerland or Germany anywhere. Don't even mention this kind of supertoxic stuff. (Where would it lead us: to call Netanjahu racist? - That'd be the Merkel-logic, but that is an imossibility in itself, of course.

    Telling silence.

    Hey Dieter. Why did Merkel and those who run her begin Germany’s (and Europe’s) destruction by opening the floodgates to the black and brown tide? Was it merely liberal guilt/suicidal altruism or something even more troubling?

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    Guilt and "suicidal altruism" both play a big role in Merkel Germany (interesting term, btw.).

    But there is more.

    People are exhausted from the competition in the international markets. I know many an engineer and technician, who's kids chose the path of the therapist, social worker, lawyer, doctor, teacher etc. and many kids who study gender sciences and media etc. - - -

    And there's lots of Government-money rolling along with the incoming millions: For doctors, therapists, billions of very low hanging extra Euros (!!) for lawyers (300 000 (no typo...) law cases of immigrants right now - almost all of them funded by the Government/ or the Christian churches...). And so on! Teachers. More jobs for the police, for nurses, midwife-centers even, pharmacies...

    So right now, there's a migraation-induced boom bringing lots of middle class and lower middle class jobs.

    And then there are the stories not told: The story of ageing japan, which does not bad at all. The story of Australia with it's restricted immigration. The story of the Brexit, of Korea - and Israel...

    And something else, which I see right in front of my nose: There is an internationlist part of the middle class, which sees only the profits for them: UN jobs, Red-Cross jobs, EU jobs, and management jobs for the Multinationals and and and. The international university job-opportunities, or people working in tourism.

    They all live in the middleclass bubble and don't care at all, what the lower classes have to go through - biggest thing for them in the lower classes (I know quite a few of those people personally, too): The rents are going up - I have seen people who left their hometown, where they had lived for dozens of years, because they simply could not afford the rent any longer (whereas in the same town, the Government guarantees for the rent of hundreds of migrants).

    Another big obstacle for the lower classes are the declining standards at their schools. - This problem has been neglected for years. I debated even with teachers, who neglected it. But that might - slowly - change. Everyday life in many schools is just too depressing. For a lot of them is true, what Jonathan Haidt remarked lately, hinting at the findings of David Perkins from Harvard: High IQ people tend to be biased towards their own side of an argument (and since they are brighter than the others, they have more arguments on their side. And that's what can confuse a public, because people often time follow the simple logic: More = better.

    The two biggest problems of all, in my opinion: 1) Hitler's ghost and 2) a blue eyed worldview (all people anywhere are the same, and all people behave in any enviornment in the same way, if you treat them openly and friendly).

  98. @Rosie
    Contra Whiskey, Israeli women would be happy to see these migrants go. They are more likely to vote for Leftist parties on economic rather than cultural issues. In other words, like your average woman everywhere, they're national socialists.

    https://scholars.huji.ac.il/sites/default/files/odeliaoshri/files/5.pdf

    I agree Israeli women are different and have said so many times. Israeli men are plausible killers during military service hence sexy and worth keeping.

    Not so other Western men. Women’s devotion to their men is a direct function of their men’s mate value i.e. Sexiness.

    Rwanda btw benefits from lots of non Hutus as a barrier to those in the Congo

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Israeli men are plausible killers during military service hence sexy and worth keeping.
     
    White women in Georgia voted 70% for Trump. Are White men in Georgia sexier than White men elsewhere? Perhaps, but then how would you isolate masculinity from a generally more conservative culture that doesn't shame women for in-group preference.

    Did you know that White British women were more likely to vote for Brexit the older they were? Something tells me female hypergamy doesn't have anything to do with the fact that old British White ladies voted leave at a higher rate than men their age!

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/567922/distribution-of-eu-referendum-votes-by-age-and-gender-uk/

  99. @Ed
    There is nothing preventing French people from doing this in fact there’s a party that openly runs on such a platform. French Jews make a minor part of France they do not control the minds of millions of French people.

    Place your frustrations (are you even French?) where they belong. The masses of French people that either don’t care or support a multiethnic France. It should be pointed out that France still has overseas departments in South America, Caribbean and Africa, where residents are free to come and go to the mainland. So you’ll never get your all white France.

    I didn’t blame jews (or in fact anyone apart from elite media) for anything in my comment. I don’t see why you are getting so defensive.

    I was simply pointing the fact that elite media, for some reason (perhaps post-war guilt or maybe something else I don’t know), has one set of standards for Israel, another for other western states.

  100. @istevefan

    Netanyahu figured that unloading 16,000 of Israel’s 35,000 African immigrants onto to goyishe kopf white gentile countries would be a masterstroke. But Bibi’s rightwing frenemies objected that it would be a concession that Israel couldn’t unload the other 19000 back to their native continent on the grounds that it would be inhuman to return Africans to Africa, a precedent that could well destroy the Jewish State over the rest of this century.
     
    And they would be wise to think this. Look at what happened to us after the "one-time" amnesty in 1986. Exactly. It never ends once you back down.

    Yes, there are a lot of Leftist Jews in Israel who are salivating over the possibility of adding tens of thousands of Africans to the voter rolls. That’s what this is all about.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    Yes, there are a lot of Leftist Jews in Israel who are salivating over the possibility of adding tens of thousands of Africans to the voter rolls. That’s what this is all about.
     
    "Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder"- Michael Savage.
  101. @Peter Akuleyev
    No Netanjahu to be seen or heard of in the news in Austria or Switzerland or Germany anywhere

    Unless you read Die SZ, Germany's leading left-of center "quality" paper

    http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/fluechtlingspolitik-israel-will-afrikanische-migranten-in-den-westen-umsiedeln-1.3928030

    or Frankfurter Allgemeine

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/israel-setzt-uebereinkunft-zu-afrikanischen-einwanderern-aus-15522993.html

    or the NZZ

    https://www.nzz.ch/international/israel-unhcr-siedelt-16-250-afrikanische-fluechtlinge-um-ld.1371158

    etc. etc. Maybe it's not being covered on TV but I gave up on TV long ago.

    You’re right, part of the story gets mentioned here and there in the quality papers – but to no big effect at all. It’s like a second order camouflage. No government reaction, no parliamentary reaction, no discussion (I’m still waiting for the AfD to take action in this case).

    The latest version of the more or less unrestricted German immigration: It is no problem anymore, since last year there were only (!) ca. 180 000 immigrants…

    Meanwhile, the CSU secretary for (international) Developement, Gerd Müller, declares, we (he said: We!) have (have!) to create 20 Million jobs in Africa – – – annually!

    That then will help to prevent people from migrating. So: That’s the official Merkel-Government-strategy: We (again: We!) will try (= h a v e to try….) to create 20 million African jobs / year…

    (If this is hope, then what’s desperation?)

  102. @Seth Largo
    You might get away with a small payment if you deport people immediately on entry, but not after decades.

    Indeed. Illegal immigration policy functions like squatter policy in real estate.

    If I own a house and it's currently empty (maybe in between renters or in prep for renovations), anyone can waltz in when I'm not looking and legally stay there for months or years.

    If I'm around when Mr. Squatter tries to get in, well then, I can manhandle him out, call the police for trespassing, and so on. However, if I'm not around, and Mr. Squatter sets up a cot, brings in some food, and starts using the shower, then all of a sudden he can claim squatter's rights. I cannot manhandle him out (unless I want to get arrested), I cannot call the police for trespassing, etc. I must now to go through a long, expensive legal process to get him removed.

    Immigration policy is the same. If an illegal immigrant gets caught at the border or within a few days of illegal entry, on the bus he goes. However, if he avoids detection, moves into an apartment, starts buying beer at the local liquor store, maybe enrolls his kid in the local school, he can now claim squatter's rights in his new homeland. Removing him is a difficult and expensive process, so the state doesn't bother.

    If I’m around when Mr. Squatter tries to get in, well then, I can manhandle him out, call the police for trespassing, and so on. However, if I’m not around, and Mr. Squatter sets up a cot, brings in some food, and starts using the shower, then all of a sudden he can claim squatter’s rights. I cannot manhandle him out (unless I want to get arrested), I cannot call the police for trespassing, etc. I must now to go through a long, expensive legal process to get him removed.

    Immigration policy is the same. If an illegal immigrant gets caught at the border or within a few days of illegal entry, on the bus he goes.

    You are making an excellent point. But for illegals caught at our border, it is only Mexicans who are immediately sent home on a “Migra” bus. After being gavelled through in a quickie expedited judicial process. No Central American is sent back home on a bus. They must be flown back and none are ever immediately hustled onto airplanes and sent back home. It is a long and drawn out judicial process to get rid of Central Americans who manage to cross our border and are even stopped and arrested near our border. Same for Hindus, Chinese, Nepalese, Peruvians and so on.

    Summary: If you are an illegal alien who has made it a few feet into America, it pays to be anything but a Mexican. We must have lots of Mexican border jumpers these days who are faking at being from Central America. and claiming asylum and refugee status.

  103. @SunBakedSuburb
    Hey Dieter. Why did Merkel and those who run her begin Germany's (and Europe's) destruction by opening the floodgates to the black and brown tide? Was it merely liberal guilt/suicidal altruism or something even more troubling?

    Guilt and “suicidal altruism” both play a big role in Merkel Germany (interesting term, btw.).

    But there is more.

    People are exhausted from the competition in the international markets. I know many an engineer and technician, who’s kids chose the path of the therapist, social worker, lawyer, doctor, teacher etc. and many kids who study gender sciences and media etc. – – –

    And there’s lots of Government-money rolling along with the incoming millions: For doctors, therapists, billions of very low hanging extra Euros (!!) for lawyers (300 000 (no typo…) law cases of immigrants right now – almost all of them funded by the Government/ or the Christian churches…). And so on! Teachers. More jobs for the police, for nurses, midwife-centers even, pharmacies…

    So right now, there’s a migraation-induced boom bringing lots of middle class and lower middle class jobs.

    And then there are the stories not told: The story of ageing japan, which does not bad at all. The story of Australia with it’s restricted immigration. The story of the Brexit, of Korea – and Israel…

    And something else, which I see right in front of my nose: There is an internationlist part of the middle class, which sees only the profits for them: UN jobs, Red-Cross jobs, EU jobs, and management jobs for the Multinationals and and and. The international university job-opportunities, or people working in tourism.

    They all live in the middleclass bubble and don’t care at all, what the lower classes have to go through – biggest thing for them in the lower classes (I know quite a few of those people personally, too): The rents are going up – I have seen people who left their hometown, where they had lived for dozens of years, because they simply could not afford the rent any longer (whereas in the same town, the Government guarantees for the rent of hundreds of migrants).

    Another big obstacle for the lower classes are the declining standards at their schools. – This problem has been neglected for years. I debated even with teachers, who neglected it. But that might – slowly – change. Everyday life in many schools is just too depressing. For a lot of them is true, what Jonathan Haidt remarked lately, hinting at the findings of David Perkins from Harvard: High IQ people tend to be biased towards their own side of an argument (and since they are brighter than the others, they have more arguments on their side. And that’s what can confuse a public, because people often time follow the simple logic: More = better.

    The two biggest problems of all, in my opinion: 1) Hitler’s ghost and 2) a blue eyed worldview (all people anywhere are the same, and all people behave in any enviornment in the same way, if you treat them openly and friendly).

    • Replies: @Sunbeam
    "People are exhausted from the competition in the international markets. I know many an engineer and technician, who’s kids chose the path of the therapist, social worker, lawyer, doctor, teacher etc. and many kids who study gender sciences and media etc"

    I think this point is going to be passed over here, but it's important.

    At some point you have to "win." I.E. get into a comfortable situation, where you can raise kids, enjoy life, have a stable situation - and not have the fear that some new treaty or someone in China deciding they want to make all the world's ball bearings or something putting your company out of business.

    What do you get if you kick some chump's ass for challenging you for the the 50th time? Apparently you get up again tomorrow and do it all over.

    If you are one of these market fundamentalist types snorting market fairydust you compete till you die - or some such (though somehow that situation never comes to their door; too smart I guess).

    But in a sense you have to do your accomplishments and get on with life.

    I think this is another reason why a lot of people don't have kids anymore. Seriously how optimistic is anyone for the prospect of getting a job with enough income to support a wife, a couple of children, and pay for food and rent? And have it be stable for close to two decades?
    , @Clyde
    Thanks for your long report from Germany. This confirms what I figured was going on. Anyway the German economy is doing great which papers over all immigration sins for a while. Papers over Merkel's crazy intake of migrant floods. Could be ten years before the bill comes due, who knows?

    Germany reintegrated East Germany successfully and most Germans must figure the same will happen with the migrant - refugee flood.
    , @rogue-one
    I would add one more point:

    3. Media class that acts like a modern priestly caste - Journalists today pontificate rather than report news. On issues like migration, they present a highly positive picture of migrants while downplaying the costs of migration. They immediately brand any opposition to mass migration as driven by "racism." The same journalists also did not report on instances like Cologne mass rape until Brietbart reported it.

    I don't speak German well, but from what I know about German media, it seems to have taken a very clear pro-migration stand and almost acts like it's job is to re-educate the Germans to accept migration. Der Spiegel seems like it is not neutral or objective on migration. In face of such massive propaganda in favor of open borders, it will be very difficult for Germans to oppose open borders.
    , @Peter Akuleyev

    Another big obstacle for the lower classes are the declining standards at their schools.
     
    Dieter is exactly right. I see the same in Austria. The decline in the public schools is the most obvious symptom of the deterioration of the public fabric due to immigration, and the cost is borne almost entirely by the lower and middle classes.

    My impression is that the long term plan of German and Austrian elites is to become an English-speaking cosmopolitan überclass, so the extinction of the German language is a small price to pay.
  104. @Hippopotamusdrome
    32,000 Africans? Sure, I can deport 16,000 Africans. But it will take quite some time to find all those 8,000 Africans. And Likud might oppose deporting those 4,000 Africans. I will get on live television to announce my plan to deport those 2,000 Africans.

    Bibo’s Arrow Paradox

  105. @Barnard
    I seriously doubt Trump threatened any aid. The Israelis know he could never get Congress to cut aid to Israel, especially if he can't get them to secure our own borders. What the story says is most likely accurate, the hardliners in Israel were unwilling to keep the 19,000. My guess is that his next move will be an attempt to get another Western nation(besides Canada) to take the 19,000 rather than send anyone back to Africa. Trump did help just by the fact that if Crooked Hillary had won, it would be over and done with and the 19,000 would be on their way to the United States.

    The BBC (fwiw) reported that

    a) Bibi’s rightish allies didn’t like the idea of 50% staying in Israel, even if the rest went West

    b) he’s politically pretty weak atm because of the various scandals surrounding his administration, so he’s back with the status quo, which AFAIK is “prison or flight back to Africa”. I’m sure he would still like to unload the lot on some gullible Western country if he could. Canada might just be stupid enough.

  106. @Joe Stalin
    "OT"

    I'm shocked, SCHOCKED to find AR bans in Deerfield, IL.

    Oh wait:

    "Deerfield Mayor Harriet Rosenthal ordered the new legislation after a gunman[...]"

    "Members of the village board in the northern Chicago suburb of Deerfield have voted unanimously to ban certain semi-automatic firearms."

    Who are the board members?

    Mayor Harriet Rosenthal, Trustee Robert "Bob" Benton, Trustee Tom Jester, Trustee Mary Oppenheim, Trustee Bill Seiden, Trustee Dan Shapiro, Trustee Barbara Struthers

    No Cohen?

  107. @Anonymous
    Ironically the verb 'to welsh' as used in the iSteve strapline is actually a derogatory ethnic slur, resembling a similar ethnic slur verb 'to J*w' , which I believe was in use in the USA, if not by the late Michael Jackson in one of his songs, the meaning being similar in both cases.

    To 'welsh' on a bet generally means a bookmaker dishonoring his contract, and thus running off with the 'punters' money without distributing the winnings.
    It is of ancient English derivation, immortalizing an ethnic slur against the Welsh people - ancient inhabitants of the western peninsula of England, and having, (previously), a reputation for dishonesty, (......Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a thief...), 'sharp practice' and general swindling.

    The late Michael Foot MP, a veteran socialist and MP for a Welsh constituency once berated a senior Labour Party minister for the 'inappropriate' use of the term 'welsh'.

    And “welsh” is actually Anglo-Saxon for “foreigner”, so the poor Welsh are internalising their own oppression (in their English name – the Welsh language word for Wales is “Cymru”).

    Dieter Kief – Hitler’s ghost is only a problem because some people are determined to rattle his bones in front of us 24/7/365. It’s as if the Brits in 1975 were still obsessing about the Mad Mahdi and Omdurman.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Omdurman

  108. @IHTG
    The real 4D Chess is that these events convinced Moshe Kahlon's Kulanu, the most moderate party in Netanyahu's coalition and self-styled defenders of the Supreme Court, to get off the fence and support a law that will override Israel's constitutional Basic Laws, which the Supreme Court uses as a cudgel to prevent deportation.

    You can read about that here: http://lib.civics.cet.ac.il/pages/item.asp?item=20372 (use Google Translate)

    Thanks. The last paragraph there is key: Parliament can already override the Court on matters of employment law, and the new proposal is to extend that to all other matters.

    That seems like a blunt instrument that would make the Court irrelevant. Or rather, return it to the far more modest powers it had before the 1980s — and here I’m drawing on what I learned from Daniel Friedmann’s excellent (but difficult) _The Purse and the Hammer_.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    Right. There's a whole story to tell about how the Yitzhak Shamir-era Likud got bamboozled into legislating the Basic Laws and empowered a generation of liberal activism on the Supreme Court. Kind of similar to how Bush 41 put Souter on the SCOTUS. Wouldn't happen today in either country - it's not the same Likud and not the same GOP.
  109. @Little spoon
    If our leaders would give us the option of increasing funding to these camps in Africa in exchange for an absolute moratorium on African refugee resettlement outside Africa, donations would be pouring in.

    I would be willing to donate 1% of my income every year to funding the maintainence of refugees in Africa for the rest of my life if it meant that no African refugees or economic migrants would ever be resettled outside Africa. I bet plenty of other westerners would open up their pocketbooks for that too.

    I would be willing to donate 1% of my income

    Well now, don’t put yourself out with that level of severe sacrifice, Bro.

  110. @International Jew
    Thanks. The last paragraph there is key: Parliament can already override the Court on matters of employment law, and the new proposal is to extend that to all other matters.

    That seems like a blunt instrument that would make the Court irrelevant. Or rather, return it to the far more modest powers it had before the 1980s — and here I'm drawing on what I learned from Daniel Friedmann's excellent (but difficult) _The Purse and the Hammer_.

    Right. There’s a whole story to tell about how the Yitzhak Shamir-era Likud got bamboozled into legislating the Basic Laws and empowered a generation of liberal activism on the Supreme Court. Kind of similar to how Bush 41 put Souter on the SCOTUS. Wouldn’t happen today in either country – it’s not the same Likud and not the same GOP.

  111. @Joe Stalin
    "OT"

    I'm shocked, SCHOCKED to find AR bans in Deerfield, IL.

    Oh wait:

    "Deerfield Mayor Harriet Rosenthal ordered the new legislation after a gunman[...]"

    "Members of the village board in the northern Chicago suburb of Deerfield have voted unanimously to ban certain semi-automatic firearms."

    Who are the board members?

    Mayor Harriet Rosenthal, Trustee Robert "Bob" Benton, Trustee Tom Jester, Trustee Mary Oppenheim, Trustee Bill Seiden, Trustee Dan Shapiro, Trustee Barbara Struthers
  112. @reiner Tor
    It was never actually a big win for him to unload less than half of those tens of thousands in exchange for keeping the rest.

    Israel is an alt-right utopia if seen from our cucked nations, unfortunately even it itself is far more cucked than, say, China or even Japan. (Japan is more cucked than China, but less cucked than any Western nation.)

    Israel is an alt-right utopia if seen from our cucked nations, unfortunately even it itself is far more cucked than, say, China or even Japan. (Japan is more cucked than China, but less cucked than any Western nation.)

    Also exciting to alt rightists… look how Netanyahu’s Israel is a porcupine bristling with weaponry. Saying to the Islamic world, “Don’t Tread On Me”. Putin and Netanyahu are the world’s most effective white nationalist leaders. This is why the American + European left hates them and demonizes both nations. Donald Trump is number three on this list but due to Democrat/leftist sabotage he has a difficult time carrying out his programs.

  113. @Dieter Kief
    Guilt and "suicidal altruism" both play a big role in Merkel Germany (interesting term, btw.).

    But there is more.

    People are exhausted from the competition in the international markets. I know many an engineer and technician, who's kids chose the path of the therapist, social worker, lawyer, doctor, teacher etc. and many kids who study gender sciences and media etc. - - -

    And there's lots of Government-money rolling along with the incoming millions: For doctors, therapists, billions of very low hanging extra Euros (!!) for lawyers (300 000 (no typo...) law cases of immigrants right now - almost all of them funded by the Government/ or the Christian churches...). And so on! Teachers. More jobs for the police, for nurses, midwife-centers even, pharmacies...

    So right now, there's a migraation-induced boom bringing lots of middle class and lower middle class jobs.

    And then there are the stories not told: The story of ageing japan, which does not bad at all. The story of Australia with it's restricted immigration. The story of the Brexit, of Korea - and Israel...

    And something else, which I see right in front of my nose: There is an internationlist part of the middle class, which sees only the profits for them: UN jobs, Red-Cross jobs, EU jobs, and management jobs for the Multinationals and and and. The international university job-opportunities, or people working in tourism.

    They all live in the middleclass bubble and don't care at all, what the lower classes have to go through - biggest thing for them in the lower classes (I know quite a few of those people personally, too): The rents are going up - I have seen people who left their hometown, where they had lived for dozens of years, because they simply could not afford the rent any longer (whereas in the same town, the Government guarantees for the rent of hundreds of migrants).

    Another big obstacle for the lower classes are the declining standards at their schools. - This problem has been neglected for years. I debated even with teachers, who neglected it. But that might - slowly - change. Everyday life in many schools is just too depressing. For a lot of them is true, what Jonathan Haidt remarked lately, hinting at the findings of David Perkins from Harvard: High IQ people tend to be biased towards their own side of an argument (and since they are brighter than the others, they have more arguments on their side. And that's what can confuse a public, because people often time follow the simple logic: More = better.

    The two biggest problems of all, in my opinion: 1) Hitler's ghost and 2) a blue eyed worldview (all people anywhere are the same, and all people behave in any enviornment in the same way, if you treat them openly and friendly).

    “People are exhausted from the competition in the international markets. I know many an engineer and technician, who’s kids chose the path of the therapist, social worker, lawyer, doctor, teacher etc. and many kids who study gender sciences and media etc”

    I think this point is going to be passed over here, but it’s important.

    At some point you have to “win.” I.E. get into a comfortable situation, where you can raise kids, enjoy life, have a stable situation – and not have the fear that some new treaty or someone in China deciding they want to make all the world’s ball bearings or something putting your company out of business.

    What do you get if you kick some chump’s ass for challenging you for the the 50th time? Apparently you get up again tomorrow and do it all over.

    If you are one of these market fundamentalist types snorting market fairydust you compete till you die – or some such (though somehow that situation never comes to their door; too smart I guess).

    But in a sense you have to do your accomplishments and get on with life.

    I think this is another reason why a lot of people don’t have kids anymore. Seriously how optimistic is anyone for the prospect of getting a job with enough income to support a wife, a couple of children, and pay for food and rent? And have it be stable for close to two decades?

    • Replies: @rogue-one
    >Seriously how optimistic is anyone for the prospect of getting a job with enough income to support a wife, a couple of children, and pay for food and rent? And have it be stable for close to two decades?

    It's quite easy to find well paying jobs in Germany. It has one of the best labor markets in the world along with an exceptionally good social benefits system. Housing may be expensive, but still you can easily have a couple (or even more) of kids.

    I don't know if Germans will burn down their country with open borders lunacy. But so far, it is a very good country to live in and have a family.

    Low birth rates may have more to do with the fact that women are having careers. I know some women in Germany who are very successful executives but remain unmarried at 38. I don't think they would have ever have kids. Modern life requires women to choose between family or very successful career. And it seems feminism has turned women from mothers into workers.
  114. @Dieter Kief
    Guilt and "suicidal altruism" both play a big role in Merkel Germany (interesting term, btw.).

    But there is more.

    People are exhausted from the competition in the international markets. I know many an engineer and technician, who's kids chose the path of the therapist, social worker, lawyer, doctor, teacher etc. and many kids who study gender sciences and media etc. - - -

    And there's lots of Government-money rolling along with the incoming millions: For doctors, therapists, billions of very low hanging extra Euros (!!) for lawyers (300 000 (no typo...) law cases of immigrants right now - almost all of them funded by the Government/ or the Christian churches...). And so on! Teachers. More jobs for the police, for nurses, midwife-centers even, pharmacies...

    So right now, there's a migraation-induced boom bringing lots of middle class and lower middle class jobs.

    And then there are the stories not told: The story of ageing japan, which does not bad at all. The story of Australia with it's restricted immigration. The story of the Brexit, of Korea - and Israel...

    And something else, which I see right in front of my nose: There is an internationlist part of the middle class, which sees only the profits for them: UN jobs, Red-Cross jobs, EU jobs, and management jobs for the Multinationals and and and. The international university job-opportunities, or people working in tourism.

    They all live in the middleclass bubble and don't care at all, what the lower classes have to go through - biggest thing for them in the lower classes (I know quite a few of those people personally, too): The rents are going up - I have seen people who left their hometown, where they had lived for dozens of years, because they simply could not afford the rent any longer (whereas in the same town, the Government guarantees for the rent of hundreds of migrants).

    Another big obstacle for the lower classes are the declining standards at their schools. - This problem has been neglected for years. I debated even with teachers, who neglected it. But that might - slowly - change. Everyday life in many schools is just too depressing. For a lot of them is true, what Jonathan Haidt remarked lately, hinting at the findings of David Perkins from Harvard: High IQ people tend to be biased towards their own side of an argument (and since they are brighter than the others, they have more arguments on their side. And that's what can confuse a public, because people often time follow the simple logic: More = better.

    The two biggest problems of all, in my opinion: 1) Hitler's ghost and 2) a blue eyed worldview (all people anywhere are the same, and all people behave in any enviornment in the same way, if you treat them openly and friendly).

    Thanks for your long report from Germany. This confirms what I figured was going on. Anyway the German economy is doing great which papers over all immigration sins for a while. Papers over Merkel’s crazy intake of migrant floods. Could be ten years before the bill comes due, who knows?

    Germany reintegrated East Germany successfully and most Germans must figure the same will happen with the migrant – refugee flood.

    • Replies: @German_reader

    Germany reintegrated East Germany successfully and most Germans must figure the same will happen with the migrant – refugee flood.
     
    East Germans are widely reviled as nasty xenophobes by the open borders enthusiasts. A non-trivial part of the West German left has never really accepted reunification and goes on constantly how Nazi-like East Germans need to be reeducated so the east can become as de-Germanized as large parts of West Germany already are. So no, many of the refugees welcome crowd don't actually regard reunification with East Germany as a success...for them East Germans are as alien as Martians because they don't share our "values". Syrian, Somalis, Afghans and Eritreans apparently do...
  115. @Sunbeam
    "People are exhausted from the competition in the international markets. I know many an engineer and technician, who’s kids chose the path of the therapist, social worker, lawyer, doctor, teacher etc. and many kids who study gender sciences and media etc"

    I think this point is going to be passed over here, but it's important.

    At some point you have to "win." I.E. get into a comfortable situation, where you can raise kids, enjoy life, have a stable situation - and not have the fear that some new treaty or someone in China deciding they want to make all the world's ball bearings or something putting your company out of business.

    What do you get if you kick some chump's ass for challenging you for the the 50th time? Apparently you get up again tomorrow and do it all over.

    If you are one of these market fundamentalist types snorting market fairydust you compete till you die - or some such (though somehow that situation never comes to their door; too smart I guess).

    But in a sense you have to do your accomplishments and get on with life.

    I think this is another reason why a lot of people don't have kids anymore. Seriously how optimistic is anyone for the prospect of getting a job with enough income to support a wife, a couple of children, and pay for food and rent? And have it be stable for close to two decades?

    >Seriously how optimistic is anyone for the prospect of getting a job with enough income to support a wife, a couple of children, and pay for food and rent? And have it be stable for close to two decades?

    It’s quite easy to find well paying jobs in Germany. It has one of the best labor markets in the world along with an exceptionally good social benefits system. Housing may be expensive, but still you can easily have a couple (or even more) of kids.

    I don’t know if Germans will burn down their country with open borders lunacy. But so far, it is a very good country to live in and have a family.

    Low birth rates may have more to do with the fact that women are having careers. I know some women in Germany who are very successful executives but remain unmarried at 38. I don’t think they would have ever have kids. Modern life requires women to choose between family or very successful career. And it seems feminism has turned women from mothers into workers.

    • Replies: @Sunbeam
    "It’s quite easy to find well paying jobs in Germany. It has one of the best labor markets in the world along with an exceptionally good social benefits system. Housing may be expensive, but still you can easily have a couple (or even more) of kids."

    I think I must be a socialist, communist, or fascist. Or something.

    Because I live in the US, and I see so many young people working one, two, sometimes three "McJobs."

    These things used to be things kids did while going to school, or maybe someone took a side job to make extra cash for a bit.

    Now that's all there is. You cannot get anything going working one job 20 hours a week, and a second 30 or 35, all while making $10 an hour.

    And I cannot see the free market being able to create jobs that pay enough to enable these kids to actually start life, as opposed to the kind of stasis they have been in for a long time.

    Actually I think automation is going up the food chain and is going to put people who were never touched by it before in the same boat. Heck it's going to put the kind of young person I mentioned as having multiple crap jobs in the situation of having no job, at any price.

    No idea what the answer is, or what to do. But something needs to be done, and the employment situation of America circa 1960 is never coming back.

  116. @rogue-one
    >Seriously how optimistic is anyone for the prospect of getting a job with enough income to support a wife, a couple of children, and pay for food and rent? And have it be stable for close to two decades?

    It's quite easy to find well paying jobs in Germany. It has one of the best labor markets in the world along with an exceptionally good social benefits system. Housing may be expensive, but still you can easily have a couple (or even more) of kids.

    I don't know if Germans will burn down their country with open borders lunacy. But so far, it is a very good country to live in and have a family.

    Low birth rates may have more to do with the fact that women are having careers. I know some women in Germany who are very successful executives but remain unmarried at 38. I don't think they would have ever have kids. Modern life requires women to choose between family or very successful career. And it seems feminism has turned women from mothers into workers.

    “It’s quite easy to find well paying jobs in Germany. It has one of the best labor markets in the world along with an exceptionally good social benefits system. Housing may be expensive, but still you can easily have a couple (or even more) of kids.”

    I think I must be a socialist, communist, or fascist. Or something.

    Because I live in the US, and I see so many young people working one, two, sometimes three “McJobs.”

    These things used to be things kids did while going to school, or maybe someone took a side job to make extra cash for a bit.

    Now that’s all there is. You cannot get anything going working one job 20 hours a week, and a second 30 or 35, all while making $10 an hour.

    And I cannot see the free market being able to create jobs that pay enough to enable these kids to actually start life, as opposed to the kind of stasis they have been in for a long time.

    Actually I think automation is going up the food chain and is going to put people who were never touched by it before in the same boat. Heck it’s going to put the kind of young person I mentioned as having multiple crap jobs in the situation of having no job, at any price.

    No idea what the answer is, or what to do. But something needs to be done, and the employment situation of America circa 1960 is never coming back.

  117. @Clyde
    Thanks for your long report from Germany. This confirms what I figured was going on. Anyway the German economy is doing great which papers over all immigration sins for a while. Papers over Merkel's crazy intake of migrant floods. Could be ten years before the bill comes due, who knows?

    Germany reintegrated East Germany successfully and most Germans must figure the same will happen with the migrant - refugee flood.

    Germany reintegrated East Germany successfully and most Germans must figure the same will happen with the migrant – refugee flood.

    East Germans are widely reviled as nasty xenophobes by the open borders enthusiasts. A non-trivial part of the West German left has never really accepted reunification and goes on constantly how Nazi-like East Germans need to be reeducated so the east can become as de-Germanized as large parts of West Germany already are. So no, many of the refugees welcome crowd don’t actually regard reunification with East Germany as a success…for them East Germans are as alien as Martians because they don’t share our “values”. Syrian, Somalis, Afghans and Eritreans apparently do…

  118. @Seth Largo
    You might get away with a small payment if you deport people immediately on entry, but not after decades.

    Indeed. Illegal immigration policy functions like squatter policy in real estate.

    If I own a house and it's currently empty (maybe in between renters or in prep for renovations), anyone can waltz in when I'm not looking and legally stay there for months or years.

    If I'm around when Mr. Squatter tries to get in, well then, I can manhandle him out, call the police for trespassing, and so on. However, if I'm not around, and Mr. Squatter sets up a cot, brings in some food, and starts using the shower, then all of a sudden he can claim squatter's rights. I cannot manhandle him out (unless I want to get arrested), I cannot call the police for trespassing, etc. I must now to go through a long, expensive legal process to get him removed.

    Immigration policy is the same. If an illegal immigrant gets caught at the border or within a few days of illegal entry, on the bus he goes. However, if he avoids detection, moves into an apartment, starts buying beer at the local liquor store, maybe enrolls his kid in the local school, he can now claim squatter's rights in his new homeland. Removing him is a difficult and expensive process, so the state doesn't bother.

    Legally, squatters’ rights take a long time to kick in though, depending on the jurisdiction. Could be 10-15 years.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    True. I think that adverse possession can be accomplished in only five years in California, though, albeit only by meeting tough criteria. For one thing, there must be proof that the adverse possessor paid the property taxes for each of the five years.
    , @Seth Largo
    Right, it's not a perfect comparison. But in dense urban areas, squatters can indeed claim rights in much less time. Old girlfriend's grandfather owned apartments in L.A., claimed he had had to deal with several squatters who had only been in a few months. In London (according to a reality TV show I've been watching), they can claim squatters rights immediately. Like, if landlords kick out a tenant for not paying rent, that tenant can literally run back in and claim squatters rights.

    Maybe a better way to make my point is that illegal immigration has a de facto statue of limitations on it, past which point you can't be prosecuted.

  119. @Dieter Kief
    That's major news - just not here.

    All quiet on the German-speaking immigration front. No Netanjahu to be seen or heard of in the news in Austria or Switzerland or Germany anywhere. Don't even mention this kind of supertoxic stuff. (Where would it lead us: to call Netanjahu racist? - That'd be the Merkel-logic, but that is an imossibility in itself, of course.

    Telling silence.

    But Bibi’s rightwing frenemies objected that it would be a concession that Israel couldn’t unload the other 19000 back to their native continent on the grounds that it would be inhuman to return Africans to Africa, a precedent that could well destroy the Jewish State over the rest of this century.

    Analysis is completely incorrect.

    The problem of granting both permanent status to illegal work migrants in Israel, and remainder in the West – is that it would have motivated unlimited future illegal immigration to Israel – which would take place by plane. Any future illegal work migrant would be awarded with a permanent life in either Israel or a Western country. It would lead to a future of constant illegal immigration.

    As for the Western element – it was the UN, the American funded New Israel Fund, and the EU – which had undermined the plan to deport them to Rwanda. In other words, it was the West which proposed this new plan in the first place.

    And fortunately Netanyahu , (who is a real moderate centrist in heart) was pushed back by the right-wing coalition members. Netanyahu had folded to the Western pressure, and only returned to the original position when there was the uprising from his own party members and coalition.

    • Replies: @Vires
    Tell me more about how the centrist Netanyahu did not fold to the Western pressure... ahaha

    The problem of granting both permanent status to illegal work migrants in Israel, and remainder in the West – is that it would have motivated unlimited future illegal immigration to Israel – which would take place by plane. Any future illegal work migrant would be awarded with a permanent life in either Israel or a Western country. It would lead to a future of constant illegal immigration.
     
    By plane? you shills are so in-your-face blatant bullshitters it is amazing. Unlimited illegal immigration by plane... hahaha like it is so easy to get to through Ben Gurion airport without visa, and even with visa they can just deny entrance because they don't like your face or your answers in the "interview". Give me a break shill.

    As for the Western element – it was the UN, the American funded New Israel Fund, and the EU – which had undermined the plan to deport them to Rwanda. In other words, it was the West which proposed this new plan in the first place.
     
    You've got some balls to come with such a fantasy story. The West pressing Bibi to send the bungas to them. hahaha

    And fortunately Netanyahu , (who is a real moderate centrist in heart) [lol] was pushed back by the right-wing coalition members. Netanyahu had folded to the Western pressure, and only returned to the original position when there was the uprising from his own party members and coalition.
     
    You forgot to tell WHY Netanyahu backed up from the deal? Because those dirty right wingers dont want Netanyahu to get rid of the migrants? hahaha

    Here's how it all went. Someone came with a fantastic way to unload half of the bungabungas bypassing Israels Judiciary blockade: they make them sign a document declaring to be willing to go to Germany and Canada, after some serious hasbara work informing them of the welfare and benefits there. With the declaration signed and deportations becoming voluntary, one-way "holiday" trips, judges and NGOs can do shit about it.

    Of course prior to that Bibi contacted the (((boys))) at the NGOs and the UNHCR to have everything arranged in the utmost discreet maner.

    The shit made international headlines thanks to someone not keeping his or her mouth shut (some magic Jew... or just plain dumb perhaps, for even among them man can find a fair share of retards) and, aware it was going to be a PR disaster - with rumors already circulating about this refugees manufactured invasion being a Zionist plot to get Europe swamped with Muslim antisemites forcing European Jews to make aliyah solving Israel demographic time bomb and to make majority of Europeans and Americans (the populists) understand why Palestinians and Iranians (Muslims) get the treatment they get by Israel and the USA, why there cannot be concesions to them and why in a nutshell they are "the enemy" - so Bibi "the moderate zionist" took the wise decision to scrap the whole plan, because keeping the Goyim thinking "Israelis are your friend and ally, not Muslims" is as important or more (has priority) than keeping Israel ethnically Jewish.

  120. @Dieter Kief
    Guilt and "suicidal altruism" both play a big role in Merkel Germany (interesting term, btw.).

    But there is more.

    People are exhausted from the competition in the international markets. I know many an engineer and technician, who's kids chose the path of the therapist, social worker, lawyer, doctor, teacher etc. and many kids who study gender sciences and media etc. - - -

    And there's lots of Government-money rolling along with the incoming millions: For doctors, therapists, billions of very low hanging extra Euros (!!) for lawyers (300 000 (no typo...) law cases of immigrants right now - almost all of them funded by the Government/ or the Christian churches...). And so on! Teachers. More jobs for the police, for nurses, midwife-centers even, pharmacies...

    So right now, there's a migraation-induced boom bringing lots of middle class and lower middle class jobs.

    And then there are the stories not told: The story of ageing japan, which does not bad at all. The story of Australia with it's restricted immigration. The story of the Brexit, of Korea - and Israel...

    And something else, which I see right in front of my nose: There is an internationlist part of the middle class, which sees only the profits for them: UN jobs, Red-Cross jobs, EU jobs, and management jobs for the Multinationals and and and. The international university job-opportunities, or people working in tourism.

    They all live in the middleclass bubble and don't care at all, what the lower classes have to go through - biggest thing for them in the lower classes (I know quite a few of those people personally, too): The rents are going up - I have seen people who left their hometown, where they had lived for dozens of years, because they simply could not afford the rent any longer (whereas in the same town, the Government guarantees for the rent of hundreds of migrants).

    Another big obstacle for the lower classes are the declining standards at their schools. - This problem has been neglected for years. I debated even with teachers, who neglected it. But that might - slowly - change. Everyday life in many schools is just too depressing. For a lot of them is true, what Jonathan Haidt remarked lately, hinting at the findings of David Perkins from Harvard: High IQ people tend to be biased towards their own side of an argument (and since they are brighter than the others, they have more arguments on their side. And that's what can confuse a public, because people often time follow the simple logic: More = better.

    The two biggest problems of all, in my opinion: 1) Hitler's ghost and 2) a blue eyed worldview (all people anywhere are the same, and all people behave in any enviornment in the same way, if you treat them openly and friendly).

    I would add one more point:

    3. Media class that acts like a modern priestly caste – Journalists today pontificate rather than report news. On issues like migration, they present a highly positive picture of migrants while downplaying the costs of migration. They immediately brand any opposition to mass migration as driven by “racism.” The same journalists also did not report on instances like Cologne mass rape until Brietbart reported it.

    I don’t speak German well, but from what I know about German media, it seems to have taken a very clear pro-migration stand and almost acts like it’s job is to re-educate the Germans to accept migration. Der Spiegel seems like it is not neutral or objective on migration. In face of such massive propaganda in favor of open borders, it will be very difficult for Germans to oppose open borders.

    • Replies: @German_reader

    I don’t speak German well, but from what I know about German media, it seems to have taken a very clear pro-migration stand and almost acts like it’s job is to re-educate the Germans to accept migration
     
    There are even studies that have shown that the overwhelming majority of German media reports about the "refugee" wave in 2015 (something like 80-90%) were enthusiastic and absolutely uncritically pro-open borders. And it's not surprsing since most German journalists have a left-wing orientation (about 40% are supposed to be sympathizers of the Greens - which have never gotten much more than 10% in elections - add to that Social Democrats plus fake "conservatives" of the globalist kind and you get well over two thirds of journalists fanatically in favour of open borders). I don't think things would have played out like they did without that massive media bias.
    German mainstream media is largely just propaganda. Mainstream newspapers have suffered quite a bit for their stance on the refugee issue, many having suffered drastic losses in their sales. Germany's public broadcasting services (funded by a quasi-tax every household has to pay) though are unaffected and continue just as before.
    , @J.Ross
    This is a good point, the German news media is uniquely a disaster. It has both activism but also a very high degree of internal organization which should be illegal or at least totally unacceptable on ethical grounds in a Western country. Although an Italian journalist just got fired from his paper of eighteen years for saying what everybody knows about modern journalism. His editor in the firing explanation explained, you know you have always enjoyed freedom of speech (apart from what the government will jail you for saying), but there's one thing you cannot do, and that's to mock your coworkers. This was said unironically.
    , @Dieter Kief
    I agree: The media class is very biased in favor of the Merkel government.

    Best explanation fo this phenomenon I have yet come across is Jonathan Haidt's hint at David Perkins' findings: That high IQ goes along with a tendency to be biased in favor of the interests (or: perspectives) of this very group:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uogEbb0WOJE


    (I don't get why there aren't more people to post/ and or refer this video. To me at least Haidt's Perkins-argument represents a pretty impressive insight. Hm.)

  121. Off-topic,

    I am tired of being a Jewish man’s rebellion

    Over almost seven years and two serious relationships with Jewish men who at first said religion didn’t matter — and then backtracked and decided it did — I’ve optimistically begun interfaith relationships with an open mind twice, only to become the last woman these men dated before settling down with a nice Jewish girl.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soloish/wp/2018/03/29/i-am-tired-of-being-a-jewish-mans-rebellion/?utm_term=.03df9e996ba5

    • Replies: @Big Bill
    Or, as a young Jewess said to me, many, many years ago, "I just practice on gentile boys." Which (at the time) was perfectly fine.
    , @J.Ross
    Ancient game tidbit: the girl complainingly asking why she always seems to find herself with a particular type of guy is completely in control of her circumstances and wants that type of guy.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    What must be especially galling is that many Jewish men DO marry out.
  122. Germany is a very good country to have a family in, really?

    Other than the constant and increasing threat of rape, mugging, harassment, and intimidation by the millions of non-European men admitted to Germany (in the past five years especially) — most belonging to a woman-hating cult — yeah, it’s a great place for women and girls these days.

    We have an acquaintance in Germany whose son was attacked for no reason and badly beaten — kicked in the head, given a concussion and broken jaw — by a group of young African men on his way home from work last year. This is not an isolated or rare incident, and you should know that.

    Presumably you are also aware that German journalists and police work together, every day, to cover up the racial and national background of rapists and robbers.

    Any country where the youngest generation is heavily Muslim and/or African, and the non-Muslims are dwindling because they are confused, self-hating, ashamed, demoralized little cowards (yes, you, Germans), is not a country likely to have a promising future.

    I have German ancestry and speak/read some German, but I am disgusted with and embarrassed by Germans and Germany. Of all the people in the world, today’s Germans are more adept at sticking their heads in the sand and denying the obvious, than anyone else I’ve encountered. Germans are absolutely arrogantly sure of themselves as they rapidly surrender their country to incompatible aliens bringing poverty, violence, fear, and backwardness — and then lecture us as “bigots” for imploring them to save themselves, wake up, fight back.

    You guys make our own surrender to the Mexican invasion look gradual and not too scary.

    Deutschland schafft sich ab, indeed.

  123. Israel and Europe don’t have it so bad. Saudi Arabia has close to 1 million illegal Ethiopians, Eritreans and Somalis.

    Sudan was recently taken of the terrorist list, and I suspect part of it is because they offered to stem the flow of refugees from Eritrea to Europe and Israel. The Sudanese are now being paid a whole bunch of money for that purpose.

    Eritreans traveling to Israel and Europe face awful dangers from the Bedouin tribes that first kidnap them, than sell them to various groups who hold them as hostages and torture until their relatives in the West wire money to them. ISIS beheading Christians is not helping either.

    If it was not for these Bedouins, there would be a whole lot more Eritreans and Sudanese (Darfur) traveling to Israel and the West. Israelis don’t like to advertise that the “Sudanese” they want to deport are from Darfur because just a few years ago Israel supporters and the Christian Right were all railing about the Darfur Genocide -remember that? Their own propaganda is now coming back to bite Israel because a lot of Muslims Darfuris headed for sanctuary in Israel, and now Israel is stuck with them-how will it look of Israel to deport “genocide survivors?”

    The EU is now contacting the Ethiopian government to find ways to create jobs for East Africans to stop them from migrating. I suspect they are doing the same in West Africa. I like this approach. The urban youth are desperate and will risk limb and life to get to the West. Only jobs will keep them in Africa, and it is in the developed world’s interest (including China) to invest more in job creation and less on the NGO stuff.

    You rarely hear about Kenyans or Ghanians going to Europe-it’s mostly the youth of the desperately poor countries like Eritrea.

  124. @larry lurker
    Related: it seemed like Merkel's admission a few weeks ago that "no-go zones" exist in Germany got a fair amount of attention in the mainstream English-language press (AP, Yahoo News) but received almost no coverage in German media. Was this your impression as well?

    Larry – funny as it may sound, I care very little for what Angela Merkel is saying, because I have come to this conclusion a few years back: She knows very little about everyday life of everyday people.

    A) Angela Merkel

    I mostly look for reactions to what she says, and if there are cracks to be seen – cracks so to speak in the reaction to what she says about the Euro and about migration especially.

    She is decent and she does not lie to people: She is a firm believer in the magic dirt mantra of the western scientific elite – an she is no cynic. – And she has lived in East-Germany, daughter of a Lutheran leftist (!) priest, who had moved from the West to the East (!), on a very low level of riches. So: For her personally, there could well be no problem at all, if the economy declines even further. That society desintegrates, slowly, but steadily, is absolutely beyond her mindset about human life. – See: She doesn’t even need to be a cynic, since she doesn’t get, what that’d be good for.

    B) A young German landscape-gardener

    A young relative of mine, a landscape-gardener, just moved to Switzerland, because all he could afford in Stuttgart with his regular small wage is a two room apartment. In Switzerland, he moved in a four room apartment – and has still roughly a quarter more than the German money left every month. He is much better off there. He is looking for a wife now, and a family.

    • Replies: @German_reader

    She is decent and she does not lie to people
     
    Merkel isn't decent at all, she's a narcisstic nutcase only interested in her personal power. One just needs to look at her reaction to the terror attack on the Christmas market in Berlin (which was only possible due to the eclatant failures of Germany's asylum system)...for over a year she didn't even send a formal letter of condolences to the relatives of those killed, only made some moves in that direction when relatives of the terror victims complained through the media about being left alone by the state. The general attitude by Merkel and her party of sycophants was to hush up the whole incident (with a dozen dead and many wounded) and forget about it as quickly as possible, since they were politically responsible for it. This contrasts markedly with her politically correct statements on all manner of minor issues.
    She's also frighteningly stupid imo (apart from some primitive cunning). I agree though that she has no idea about the life of average citizens. She's been a member of the political "elite" for 30 years, is only surrounded by lickspittles nowadays and has never lived as a normal citizen in a democratic system. That probably explains a lot about her flawed character.
  125. @Dave Pinsen
    Legally, squatters’ rights take a long time to kick in though, depending on the jurisdiction. Could be 10-15 years.

    True. I think that adverse possession can be accomplished in only five years in California, though, albeit only by meeting tough criteria. For one thing, there must be proof that the adverse possessor paid the property taxes for each of the five years.

  126. @schnellandine
    Racy? What I saw was quaint modesty compared to much YT-sanctioned visual breeding calling, and a persuasive complaint video. YT, Fakebook, and Twatter have been too successful in encouraging masses to meld with the trons. Taken away, especially sneakily (shadow ban), some will snap. Surprised hasn't happened before now, but not surprised the first was female.

    YT, Fakebook, and Twatter have been too successful in encouraging masses to meld with the trons. Taken away, especially sneakily (shadow ban), some will snap. Surprised hasn’t happened before now, but not surprised the first was female.

    All these orgs are ramping up security so no shooter will ever get inside again. It would be hilarious if they have to close off some entrances and install metal detectors like they are at Parkland High School. How about mandating transparent backpacks for all who enter Google YT Facebook doors. This is the new rule – law at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. David Hogg was bi**hing about this.

    Demonetization?…. for sure YT needs more armed guards to deter the internet riff raff.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
    Plenty of TwaddleBookerTube buses after they close the buildings to visiting shooters.

    I wonder if there's even a hint of self-reflection today from (((TPTB))) that maybe they've been irritating the untermenschen beyond reason. I like the shooter's videos. Wish she were still here, the wackster.
  127. Here’s how this is going to play out (of course):

    1. The deal’s only off because Israel has to accept any of them.

    Which means either:

    a) the final deal sends all of them to Canada/Germany/Uk

    or,

    b) they all go back where they came from.

    so,

    2. Israel will come back with a brilliant new ‘deal’ – they all go to the West!

    The UN will make a show of refusing, mainly because they won’t want to appear to endorse Israel’s anti-brown racism.

    3. Israel will call their bluff, with motions to begin sending them all home.

    4. The UN will concede (ie, Canada, Germany, and the UK will bend over more deeply).

    These are, I believe, the very same groups (Sudanese and Eritreans) currently reducing Sydney, Melbourne, etc to the African Jungle. They appear to make even Australian Abos look sympathetic in comparison.

    You heard it here first (suprised it took 120+ comments)

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Screencapped, I believe this to be likely.
  128. @sabril
    Yes, there are a lot of Leftist Jews in Israel who are salivating over the possibility of adding tens of thousands of Africans to the voter rolls. That's what this is all about.

    Yes, there are a lot of Leftist Jews in Israel who are salivating over the possibility of adding tens of thousands of Africans to the voter rolls. That’s what this is all about.

    “Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder”- Michael Savage.

  129. @syonredux
    Off-topic,

    I am tired of being a Jewish man’s rebellion

    Over almost seven years and two serious relationships with Jewish men who at first said religion didn’t matter — and then backtracked and decided it did — I’ve optimistically begun interfaith relationships with an open mind twice, only to become the last woman these men dated before settling down with a nice Jewish girl.
     
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soloish/wp/2018/03/29/i-am-tired-of-being-a-jewish-mans-rebellion/?utm_term=.03df9e996ba5

    Or, as a young Jewess said to me, many, many years ago, “I just practice on gentile boys.” Which (at the time) was perfectly fine.

  130. @Dieter Kief
    Larry - funny as it may sound, I care very little for what Angela Merkel is saying, because I have come to this conclusion a few years back: She knows very little about everyday life of everyday people.

    A) Angela Merkel

    I mostly look for reactions to what she says, and if there are cracks to be seen - cracks so to speak in the reaction to what she says about the Euro and about migration especially.

    She is decent and she does not lie to people: She is a firm believer in the magic dirt mantra of the western scientific elite - an she is no cynic. - And she has lived in East-Germany, daughter of a Lutheran leftist (!) priest, who had moved from the West to the East (!), on a very low level of riches. So: For her personally, there could well be no problem at all, if the economy declines even further. That society desintegrates, slowly, but steadily, is absolutely beyond her mindset about human life. - See: She doesn't even need to be a cynic, since she doesn't get, what that'd be good for.

    B) A young German landscape-gardener

    A young relative of mine, a landscape-gardener, just moved to Switzerland, because all he could afford in Stuttgart with his regular small wage is a two room apartment. In Switzerland, he moved in a four room apartment - and has still roughly a quarter more than the German money left every month. He is much better off there. He is looking for a wife now, and a family.

    She is decent and she does not lie to people

    Merkel isn’t decent at all, she’s a narcisstic nutcase only interested in her personal power. One just needs to look at her reaction to the terror attack on the Christmas market in Berlin (which was only possible due to the eclatant failures of Germany’s asylum system)…for over a year she didn’t even send a formal letter of condolences to the relatives of those killed, only made some moves in that direction when relatives of the terror victims complained through the media about being left alone by the state. The general attitude by Merkel and her party of sycophants was to hush up the whole incident (with a dozen dead and many wounded) and forget about it as quickly as possible, since they were politically responsible for it. This contrasts markedly with her politically correct statements on all manner of minor issues.
    She’s also frighteningly stupid imo (apart from some primitive cunning). I agree though that she has no idea about the life of average citizens. She’s been a member of the political “elite” for 30 years, is only surrounded by lickspittles nowadays and has never lived as a normal citizen in a democratic system. That probably explains a lot about her flawed character.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief

    The general attitude by Merkel and her party of sycophants was to hush up the whole incident (with a dozen dead and many wounded) and forget about it as quickly as possible, since they were politically responsible for it.
     
    Yes, I agree.
    We might differ a little bit, if we look at the reasons for Merkel to do so. I'd hold, that she is primarily driven by shame - and not only for the Nazi-past, but also for the east German past.
    Put very simple, from her perspective: Compare those twelve killed by terror in Berlin with what we Germans have done up until 1945, and all terrorist threads which we encountered so far evaporate into nothingness.

    Now I leave Merkel's inner world and think, here we agree again: These thoughts of her - as honest (or even: as un-honest...) they might ever be, are wrong.
  131. @rogue-one
    I would add one more point:

    3. Media class that acts like a modern priestly caste - Journalists today pontificate rather than report news. On issues like migration, they present a highly positive picture of migrants while downplaying the costs of migration. They immediately brand any opposition to mass migration as driven by "racism." The same journalists also did not report on instances like Cologne mass rape until Brietbart reported it.

    I don't speak German well, but from what I know about German media, it seems to have taken a very clear pro-migration stand and almost acts like it's job is to re-educate the Germans to accept migration. Der Spiegel seems like it is not neutral or objective on migration. In face of such massive propaganda in favor of open borders, it will be very difficult for Germans to oppose open borders.

    I don’t speak German well, but from what I know about German media, it seems to have taken a very clear pro-migration stand and almost acts like it’s job is to re-educate the Germans to accept migration

    There are even studies that have shown that the overwhelming majority of German media reports about the “refugee” wave in 2015 (something like 80-90%) were enthusiastic and absolutely uncritically pro-open borders. And it’s not surprsing since most German journalists have a left-wing orientation (about 40% are supposed to be sympathizers of the Greens – which have never gotten much more than 10% in elections – add to that Social Democrats plus fake “conservatives” of the globalist kind and you get well over two thirds of journalists fanatically in favour of open borders). I don’t think things would have played out like they did without that massive media bias.
    German mainstream media is largely just propaganda. Mainstream newspapers have suffered quite a bit for their stance on the refugee issue, many having suffered drastic losses in their sales. Germany’s public broadcasting services (funded by a quasi-tax every household has to pay) though are unaffected and continue just as before.

  132. @syonredux
    Off-topic,

    I am tired of being a Jewish man’s rebellion

    Over almost seven years and two serious relationships with Jewish men who at first said religion didn’t matter — and then backtracked and decided it did — I’ve optimistically begun interfaith relationships with an open mind twice, only to become the last woman these men dated before settling down with a nice Jewish girl.
     
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soloish/wp/2018/03/29/i-am-tired-of-being-a-jewish-mans-rebellion/?utm_term=.03df9e996ba5

    Ancient game tidbit: the girl complainingly asking why she always seems to find herself with a particular type of guy is completely in control of her circumstances and wants that type of guy.

  133. @mobi
    Here's how this is going to play out (of course):

    1. The deal's only off because Israel has to accept any of them.

    Which means either:

    a) the final deal sends all of them to Canada/Germany/Uk

    or,

    b) they all go back where they came from.

    so,

    2. Israel will come back with a brilliant new 'deal' - they all go to the West!

    The UN will make a show of refusing, mainly because they won't want to appear to endorse Israel's anti-brown racism.

    3. Israel will call their bluff, with motions to begin sending them all home.

    4. The UN will concede (ie, Canada, Germany, and the UK will bend over more deeply).

    These are, I believe, the very same groups (Sudanese and Eritreans) currently reducing Sydney, Melbourne, etc to the African Jungle. They appear to make even Australian Abos look sympathetic in comparison.

    You heard it here first (suprised it took 120+ comments)

    Screencapped, I believe this to be likely.

  134. @rogue-one
    I would add one more point:

    3. Media class that acts like a modern priestly caste - Journalists today pontificate rather than report news. On issues like migration, they present a highly positive picture of migrants while downplaying the costs of migration. They immediately brand any opposition to mass migration as driven by "racism." The same journalists also did not report on instances like Cologne mass rape until Brietbart reported it.

    I don't speak German well, but from what I know about German media, it seems to have taken a very clear pro-migration stand and almost acts like it's job is to re-educate the Germans to accept migration. Der Spiegel seems like it is not neutral or objective on migration. In face of such massive propaganda in favor of open borders, it will be very difficult for Germans to oppose open borders.

    This is a good point, the German news media is uniquely a disaster. It has both activism but also a very high degree of internal organization which should be illegal or at least totally unacceptable on ethical grounds in a Western country. Although an Italian journalist just got fired from his paper of eighteen years for saying what everybody knows about modern journalism. His editor in the firing explanation explained, you know you have always enjoyed freedom of speech (apart from what the government will jail you for saying), but there’s one thing you cannot do, and that’s to mock your coworkers. This was said unironically.

  135. @German_reader

    She is decent and she does not lie to people
     
    Merkel isn't decent at all, she's a narcisstic nutcase only interested in her personal power. One just needs to look at her reaction to the terror attack on the Christmas market in Berlin (which was only possible due to the eclatant failures of Germany's asylum system)...for over a year she didn't even send a formal letter of condolences to the relatives of those killed, only made some moves in that direction when relatives of the terror victims complained through the media about being left alone by the state. The general attitude by Merkel and her party of sycophants was to hush up the whole incident (with a dozen dead and many wounded) and forget about it as quickly as possible, since they were politically responsible for it. This contrasts markedly with her politically correct statements on all manner of minor issues.
    She's also frighteningly stupid imo (apart from some primitive cunning). I agree though that she has no idea about the life of average citizens. She's been a member of the political "elite" for 30 years, is only surrounded by lickspittles nowadays and has never lived as a normal citizen in a democratic system. That probably explains a lot about her flawed character.

    The general attitude by Merkel and her party of sycophants was to hush up the whole incident (with a dozen dead and many wounded) and forget about it as quickly as possible, since they were politically responsible for it.

    Yes, I agree.
    We might differ a little bit, if we look at the reasons for Merkel to do so. I’d hold, that she is primarily driven by shame – and not only for the Nazi-past, but also for the east German past.
    Put very simple, from her perspective: Compare those twelve killed by terror in Berlin with what we Germans have done up until 1945, and all terrorist threads which we encountered so far evaporate into nothingness.

    Now I leave Merkel’s inner world and think, here we agree again: These thoughts of her – as honest (or even: as un-honest…) they might ever be, are wrong.

    • Replies: @German_reader

    I’d hold, that she is primarily driven by shame – and not only for the Nazi-past, but also for the east German past.
     
    It would be better if she felt shame about her own actions. By now there must have been hundreds (or possibly thousands?) of rapes and violent assaults, and quite a few murders as well, committed by "refugees" she let into the country. She's responsible for all that, she's got blood on her hands, and if German democracy weren't completely dysfunctional, she'd have been removed from office long ago.
    I'm not sure though if it's really productive to think deeply about Merkel's inner life (probably just as unattractive as the exterior...). That woman is manifestly incapable of correcting her mistakes, it doesn't even matter much what's caused her to act like she did, she needs to go in any case.
    , @J.Ross
    More germane, compare who the victims were.
  136. @Dieter Kief

    The general attitude by Merkel and her party of sycophants was to hush up the whole incident (with a dozen dead and many wounded) and forget about it as quickly as possible, since they were politically responsible for it.
     
    Yes, I agree.
    We might differ a little bit, if we look at the reasons for Merkel to do so. I'd hold, that she is primarily driven by shame - and not only for the Nazi-past, but also for the east German past.
    Put very simple, from her perspective: Compare those twelve killed by terror in Berlin with what we Germans have done up until 1945, and all terrorist threads which we encountered so far evaporate into nothingness.

    Now I leave Merkel's inner world and think, here we agree again: These thoughts of her - as honest (or even: as un-honest...) they might ever be, are wrong.

    I’d hold, that she is primarily driven by shame – and not only for the Nazi-past, but also for the east German past.

    It would be better if she felt shame about her own actions. By now there must have been hundreds (or possibly thousands?) of rapes and violent assaults, and quite a few murders as well, committed by “refugees” she let into the country. She’s responsible for all that, she’s got blood on her hands, and if German democracy weren’t completely dysfunctional, she’d have been removed from office long ago.
    I’m not sure though if it’s really productive to think deeply about Merkel’s inner life (probably just as unattractive as the exterior…). That woman is manifestly incapable of correcting her mistakes, it doesn’t even matter much what’s caused her to act like she did, she needs to go in any case.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    "Merkel needs to go in any case." True, but she simply doesn't.

    It might help to understand her mistakes in order to find arguments that help to convince voters that she'd better leave.
  137. @Whiskey
    I agree Israeli women are different and have said so many times. Israeli men are plausible killers during military service hence sexy and worth keeping.

    Not so other Western men. Women's devotion to their men is a direct function of their men's mate value i.e. Sexiness.

    Rwanda btw benefits from lots of non Hutus as a barrier to those in the Congo

    Israeli men are plausible killers during military service hence sexy and worth keeping.

    White women in Georgia voted 70% for Trump. Are White men in Georgia sexier than White men elsewhere? Perhaps, but then how would you isolate masculinity from a generally more conservative culture that doesn’t shame women for in-group preference.

    Did you know that White British women were more likely to vote for Brexit the older they were? Something tells me female hypergamy doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that old British White ladies voted leave at a higher rate than men their age!

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/567922/distribution-of-eu-referendum-votes-by-age-and-gender-uk/

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    All older people were more likely to vote Leave, because they can remember when we weren't in the EU and things were pretty good (and improving) for the average working man ("or woman!")

    The more young Brits go to university (currently 40%+) the more indoctrinated they are, to completely disconnect their poor life prospects from the vast influx of foreigners.
  138. @Dieter Kief

    The general attitude by Merkel and her party of sycophants was to hush up the whole incident (with a dozen dead and many wounded) and forget about it as quickly as possible, since they were politically responsible for it.
     
    Yes, I agree.
    We might differ a little bit, if we look at the reasons for Merkel to do so. I'd hold, that she is primarily driven by shame - and not only for the Nazi-past, but also for the east German past.
    Put very simple, from her perspective: Compare those twelve killed by terror in Berlin with what we Germans have done up until 1945, and all terrorist threads which we encountered so far evaporate into nothingness.

    Now I leave Merkel's inner world and think, here we agree again: These thoughts of her - as honest (or even: as un-honest...) they might ever be, are wrong.

    More germane, compare who the victims were.

  139. @Clyde

    YT, Fakebook, and Twatter have been too successful in encouraging masses to meld with the trons. Taken away, especially sneakily (shadow ban), some will snap. Surprised hasn’t happened before now, but not surprised the first was female.
     
    All these orgs are ramping up security so no shooter will ever get inside again. It would be hilarious if they have to close off some entrances and install metal detectors like they are at Parkland High School. How about mandating transparent backpacks for all who enter Google YT Facebook doors. This is the new rule - law at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. David Hogg was bi**hing about this.

    Demonetization?.... for sure YT needs more armed guards to deter the internet riff raff.

    Plenty of TwaddleBookerTube buses after they close the buildings to visiting shooters.

    I wonder if there’s even a hint of self-reflection today from (((TPTB))) that maybe they’ve been irritating the untermenschen beyond reason. I like the shooter’s videos. Wish she were still here, the wackster.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    I like the shooter’s videos. Wish she were still here, the wackster.
     
    One of her vids was particularly helpful. It had her making the vegan or vegetarian equivalent of tuna fish salad and stuffing it into what looked like an Iranian hoagie. It was removed before I got a chance to jot down all the ingredients. YT demonetization policies are killing more immigrants than global warming!
  140. @AnotherDad

    This is a canary in a coal mine, as millions of women beneficiaries of feminism get older, there will be mayhem. They are like fish out of water, animal rights will be the least of our problems.
     
    Well said, Beckow.

    When i see these women acting out--hissy fit in print, at a demo, or in this case actual shooting--again and again you see the same thing ... they are simply out of their natural element. They haven't done what they should have done--become wives and mothers. All the female hormones and urges are at play but don't have their natural outlet. This is--at least in numbers--a new thing.

    We've always had some fraction of young males--their energies and urges not properly channelled for some reason--doing nasty violent or just weird stuff. But we get most guys either calmed down, locked up or killed off. But older men--even if not channelled into the family thing--have a role their particular interests (career, intellectual, social, recreational, etc.) Men have the hardware and software--interest in things and ideas--to do it.

    Women have no such orientation. Generally women who don't make a go at family life are nuts. And now we have more and more such women.

    Men have the hardware and software–interest in things and ideas–to do it.

    Um, women have interests in things and ideas, too. There have always been spinsters, and they have managed just fine. I think the difference is that now they don’t have nieces or nephews either, and if they do they live far away. They may not feel any kinship with the local children, who may be culturally alien. It’s not unusual for neighborhood schools to be demographically radically different from the surrounding communities. They don’t have a family, and they’re bowling alone.

  141. @JollyOldSoul
    The original article I read stated that the half that stayed in Israel were only going to be guaranteed temporary status (while, of course, those sent to the goyische kopf countries were inevitably going to get permanent status). So heaven only knows why he backed out on the deal. Is it really because they don't want to keep their half, which they probably weren't going to keep anyway?

    A smarter reason for Netanyahu to back out would be the realization that this kind of dumping would make Jews and Israel look pretty damn bad to the rest of the West - Jews have the right to defend their borders and to their own country, but the rest of us don't. The original deal kind of left open who would be taking them off Israel's hands (Canada? Italy? Some other random country?), thus pissing off even more people than necessary.

    The original article I read stated that the half that stayed in Israel were only going to be guaranteed temporary status (while, of course, those sent to the goyische kopf countries were inevitably going to get permanent status).

    Well, they were going to get status for five years. That’s a long time, and could easily morph into permanent status. I’m not certain that the refugees sent to other countries would not also be given “temporary” status – officially.

    In any case, I suspect one of the reasons for the “deal” is so Israel can now accuse any country that condemns their deportations of hypocrisy. (“Oh, we can’t send them to Africa? You refused to take them!”)

  142. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:

    Yeah whenever I hear Bibi talk to conservatives in America, I feel like it is in the tone one uses to patronize and bamboozle a bunch of country goobers.

    That’s what I think whenever I hear Hillary Clinton speak to the masses.

    Everyone loves the big bamboozler
    Give ’em the old three-ring circus
    Stun and stagger ’em
    When you’re in trouble, go into your dance

  143. @Mr. Anon
    Israel should deport them to South Africa. South Africa is a paradise now, right?

    Seriously, they should deport them to whatever African countries are not war zones - there are several that fit that bill. Perhaps they could pay Kenya or Uganda to take them. As commenter istevefan said, they shouldn't set the precedent by keeping even one of them.

    But they should not send them to the West.

    Israel did have a deal to deport some to Rwanda (14 000 according to Netanyahu) and was rumoured to have a similar one with Uganda. But this fell through at the last minute, which is why Bibi then pivoted to the UN deal, which Israel was negotiating in parallel.

  144. @Dmitry

    But Bibi’s rightwing frenemies objected that it would be a concession that Israel couldn’t unload the other 19000 back to their native continent on the grounds that it would be inhuman to return Africans to Africa, a precedent that could well destroy the Jewish State over the rest of this century.
     
    Analysis is completely incorrect.

    The problem of granting both permanent status to illegal work migrants in Israel, and remainder in the West - is that it would have motivated unlimited future illegal immigration to Israel - which would take place by plane. Any future illegal work migrant would be awarded with a permanent life in either Israel or a Western country. It would lead to a future of constant illegal immigration.

    As for the Western element - it was the UN, the American funded New Israel Fund, and the EU - which had undermined the plan to deport them to Rwanda. In other words, it was the West which proposed this new plan in the first place.

    And fortunately Netanyahu , (who is a real moderate centrist in heart) was pushed back by the right-wing coalition members. Netanyahu had folded to the Western pressure, and only returned to the original position when there was the uprising from his own party members and coalition.

    Tell me more about how the centrist Netanyahu did not fold to the Western pressure… ahaha

    The problem of granting both permanent status to illegal work migrants in Israel, and remainder in the West – is that it would have motivated unlimited future illegal immigration to Israel – which would take place by plane. Any future illegal work migrant would be awarded with a permanent life in either Israel or a Western country. It would lead to a future of constant illegal immigration.

    By plane? you shills are so in-your-face blatant bullshitters it is amazing. Unlimited illegal immigration by plane… hahaha like it is so easy to get to through Ben Gurion airport without visa, and even with visa they can just deny entrance because they don’t like your face or your answers in the “interview”. Give me a break shill.

    As for the Western element – it was the UN, the American funded New Israel Fund, and the EU – which had undermined the plan to deport them to Rwanda. In other words, it was the West which proposed this new plan in the first place.

    You’ve got some balls to come with such a fantasy story. The West pressing Bibi to send the bungas to them. hahaha

    And fortunately Netanyahu , (who is a real moderate centrist in heart) [lol] was pushed back by the right-wing coalition members. Netanyahu had folded to the Western pressure, and only returned to the original position when there was the uprising from his own party members and coalition.

    You forgot to tell WHY Netanyahu backed up from the deal? Because those dirty right wingers dont want Netanyahu to get rid of the migrants? hahaha

    Here’s how it all went. Someone came with a fantastic way to unload half of the bungabungas bypassing Israels Judiciary blockade: they make them sign a document declaring to be willing to go to Germany and Canada, after some serious hasbara work informing them of the welfare and benefits there. With the declaration signed and deportations becoming voluntary, one-way “holiday” trips, judges and NGOs can do shit about it.

    Of course prior to that Bibi contacted the (((boys))) at the NGOs and the UNHCR to have everything arranged in the utmost discreet maner.

    The shit made international headlines thanks to someone not keeping his or her mouth shut (some magic Jew… or just plain dumb perhaps, for even among them man can find a fair share of retards) and, aware it was going to be a PR disaster – with rumors already circulating about this refugees manufactured invasion being a Zionist plot to get Europe swamped with Muslim antisemites forcing European Jews to make aliyah solving Israel demographic time bomb and to make majority of Europeans and Americans (the populists) understand why Palestinians and Iranians (Muslims) get the treatment they get by Israel and the USA, why there cannot be concesions to them and why in a nutshell they are “the enemy” – so Bibi “the moderate zionist” took the wise decision to scrap the whole plan, because keeping the Goyim thinking “Israelis are your friend and ally, not Muslims” is as important or more (has priority) than keeping Israel ethnically Jewish.

  145. @Dieter Kief
    Guilt and "suicidal altruism" both play a big role in Merkel Germany (interesting term, btw.).

    But there is more.

    People are exhausted from the competition in the international markets. I know many an engineer and technician, who's kids chose the path of the therapist, social worker, lawyer, doctor, teacher etc. and many kids who study gender sciences and media etc. - - -

    And there's lots of Government-money rolling along with the incoming millions: For doctors, therapists, billions of very low hanging extra Euros (!!) for lawyers (300 000 (no typo...) law cases of immigrants right now - almost all of them funded by the Government/ or the Christian churches...). And so on! Teachers. More jobs for the police, for nurses, midwife-centers even, pharmacies...

    So right now, there's a migraation-induced boom bringing lots of middle class and lower middle class jobs.

    And then there are the stories not told: The story of ageing japan, which does not bad at all. The story of Australia with it's restricted immigration. The story of the Brexit, of Korea - and Israel...

    And something else, which I see right in front of my nose: There is an internationlist part of the middle class, which sees only the profits for them: UN jobs, Red-Cross jobs, EU jobs, and management jobs for the Multinationals and and and. The international university job-opportunities, or people working in tourism.

    They all live in the middleclass bubble and don't care at all, what the lower classes have to go through - biggest thing for them in the lower classes (I know quite a few of those people personally, too): The rents are going up - I have seen people who left their hometown, where they had lived for dozens of years, because they simply could not afford the rent any longer (whereas in the same town, the Government guarantees for the rent of hundreds of migrants).

    Another big obstacle for the lower classes are the declining standards at their schools. - This problem has been neglected for years. I debated even with teachers, who neglected it. But that might - slowly - change. Everyday life in many schools is just too depressing. For a lot of them is true, what Jonathan Haidt remarked lately, hinting at the findings of David Perkins from Harvard: High IQ people tend to be biased towards their own side of an argument (and since they are brighter than the others, they have more arguments on their side. And that's what can confuse a public, because people often time follow the simple logic: More = better.

    The two biggest problems of all, in my opinion: 1) Hitler's ghost and 2) a blue eyed worldview (all people anywhere are the same, and all people behave in any enviornment in the same way, if you treat them openly and friendly).

    Another big obstacle for the lower classes are the declining standards at their schools.

    Dieter is exactly right. I see the same in Austria. The decline in the public schools is the most obvious symptom of the deterioration of the public fabric due to immigration, and the cost is borne almost entirely by the lower and middle classes.

    My impression is that the long term plan of German and Austrian elites is to become an English-speaking cosmopolitan überclass, so the extinction of the German language is a small price to pay.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    The überclass phenomenon is an interesting thing. And I - living at the lake of Constance not far away from Zürich, can see it already happening. People who have moved their family to Zürich because quality of life is better there than in - now you can choose: London, Milano, Warshaw, Krakau... - where they work....
    The parties where there is English spoken, because the internationalized workforce in Zürich doesn't even bother to learn the German language any longer... Just to listen to them trying to "fill" a saturday evening is so outright within a pretty much prefabricated internationalist mindset, that it produces hardly anything than clichés and - boredom. But hey - that's what we have (created) drugs for, don't we??!!

    - One of this group was our next door neighbour once and he couldn't have cared less about the southern German town he did live in with us. - Therefor I happen to call those people the new class of the high flying global dopes.

  146. @Ed
    Rumor has it such a deal is being worked on by Uganda. The problem is that African countries are very dependent on foreign aid and even the UN. The UN/NGOs object to this so they don’t want to anger them. That’s why Rwanda fell through.

    There are stable African countries that they could be relocated to. Ghana hosted thousands of Liberian & Sierra Leone refugees for decades. Kenya host the largest UN refugee camp in the world. It would probably be an ideal place to place Israel’s refugees since it’s close to Sudan & Eritrea, the origin of most of its refugees.

    Problem is Kenya wants to close the camp and isn’t as desperate for Israel $$$ as other nations.

    Can you blame them? It’s full of Somalis.

  147. @German_reader

    I’d hold, that she is primarily driven by shame – and not only for the Nazi-past, but also for the east German past.
     
    It would be better if she felt shame about her own actions. By now there must have been hundreds (or possibly thousands?) of rapes and violent assaults, and quite a few murders as well, committed by "refugees" she let into the country. She's responsible for all that, she's got blood on her hands, and if German democracy weren't completely dysfunctional, she'd have been removed from office long ago.
    I'm not sure though if it's really productive to think deeply about Merkel's inner life (probably just as unattractive as the exterior...). That woman is manifestly incapable of correcting her mistakes, it doesn't even matter much what's caused her to act like she did, she needs to go in any case.

    “Merkel needs to go in any case.” True, but she simply doesn’t.

    It might help to understand her mistakes in order to find arguments that help to convince voters that she’d better leave.

  148. @schnellandine
    Plenty of TwaddleBookerTube buses after they close the buildings to visiting shooters.

    I wonder if there's even a hint of self-reflection today from (((TPTB))) that maybe they've been irritating the untermenschen beyond reason. I like the shooter's videos. Wish she were still here, the wackster.

    I like the shooter’s videos. Wish she were still here, the wackster.

    One of her vids was particularly helpful. It had her making the vegan or vegetarian equivalent of tuna fish salad and stuffing it into what looked like an Iranian hoagie. It was removed before I got a chance to jot down all the ingredients. YT demonetization policies are killing more immigrants than global warming!

  149. @rogue-one
    I would add one more point:

    3. Media class that acts like a modern priestly caste - Journalists today pontificate rather than report news. On issues like migration, they present a highly positive picture of migrants while downplaying the costs of migration. They immediately brand any opposition to mass migration as driven by "racism." The same journalists also did not report on instances like Cologne mass rape until Brietbart reported it.

    I don't speak German well, but from what I know about German media, it seems to have taken a very clear pro-migration stand and almost acts like it's job is to re-educate the Germans to accept migration. Der Spiegel seems like it is not neutral or objective on migration. In face of such massive propaganda in favor of open borders, it will be very difficult for Germans to oppose open borders.

    I agree: The media class is very biased in favor of the Merkel government.

    Best explanation fo this phenomenon I have yet come across is Jonathan Haidt’s hint at David Perkins’ findings: That high IQ goes along with a tendency to be biased in favor of the interests (or: perspectives) of this very group:

    (I don’t get why there aren’t more people to post/ and or refer this video. To me at least Haidt’s Perkins-argument represents a pretty impressive insight. Hm.)

  150. @syonredux
    Off-topic,

    I am tired of being a Jewish man’s rebellion

    Over almost seven years and two serious relationships with Jewish men who at first said religion didn’t matter — and then backtracked and decided it did — I’ve optimistically begun interfaith relationships with an open mind twice, only to become the last woman these men dated before settling down with a nice Jewish girl.
     
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soloish/wp/2018/03/29/i-am-tired-of-being-a-jewish-mans-rebellion/?utm_term=.03df9e996ba5

    What must be especially galling is that many Jewish men DO marry out.

  151. @Rosie

    Israeli men are plausible killers during military service hence sexy and worth keeping.
     
    White women in Georgia voted 70% for Trump. Are White men in Georgia sexier than White men elsewhere? Perhaps, but then how would you isolate masculinity from a generally more conservative culture that doesn't shame women for in-group preference.

    Did you know that White British women were more likely to vote for Brexit the older they were? Something tells me female hypergamy doesn't have anything to do with the fact that old British White ladies voted leave at a higher rate than men their age!

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/567922/distribution-of-eu-referendum-votes-by-age-and-gender-uk/

    All older people were more likely to vote Leave, because they can remember when we weren’t in the EU and things were pretty good (and improving) for the average working man (“or woman!“)

    The more young Brits go to university (currently 40%+) the more indoctrinated they are, to completely disconnect their poor life prospects from the vast influx of foreigners.

  152. You are the perfect person to ask this question, but anyone is welcome to answer: how did these wily Jews allow 90K Africans to slip over the border & enter the country? From Sinai, which is difficult to cross?

    Heck if I know. Kinda crazy that only 90k made it, given Jewry’s famous dedication to tolerance, diversity, multiculturalism, minority rights, black people, the downtrodden, open borders, and refugees…ugees…

  153. I agree Israeli women are different and have said so many times. Israeli men are plausible killers during military service hence sexy and worth keeping.

    Not so other Western men. Women’s devotion to their men is a direct function of their men’s mate value i.e. Sexiness.

    Rwanda btw benefits from lots of non Hutus as a barrier to those in the Congo

    Funny how White women seem to serve Jewish interests, but not White interests, and how Jewish women aren’t White women…

    It’s all very pat.

    Why not just go with “G-d wants the Jews to survive and the Whites to die?”

  154. Whiskey, doesn’t it suck to have to lie about your motives (deflecting counter-semitism) constantly?

    YouTube censored her channel because it was too sexy, costing her a lot of viewers. She retaliated.

    Couldn’t have happened to a nicer bunch of folks.

    Notice the language employed. They are referred to as ‘migrants’ much more often than refugees. There’s no flowery rhetoric of “escaping poverty and war”, instead we get a much harsher “surreptitiously crossed the border”.

    The Jewish Home party is far to the right of a civnat party like Front National yet it is described as “hardline” rather than fascist.

    It’s very telling where the ethnic biases and loyalties of the NYT lies. If they used the same rhetoric wrt European nationalists, they would be accused nonstop of ‘aiding fascism’. But of course the left dares not do that when it comes to Zionism (and it’s diaspora backers) and the right are useful idiots.

    Bingo.

  155. @Hippopotamusdrome
    OT, pre-Godwinned post:


    Hither Green burglary death: Pensioner arrested for murder after stabbing

    A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a man was stabbed during a reported burglary this morning in Hither Green.

    One of the burglary suspects, a 37-year-old man, was stabbed in the during a struggle with the resident and later died from his injuries.

     

    Knife Surrender Bin.jpg

    Couldn't find the "is that a butter knife, mate" pic

    Back when white guys were allowed to defend themselves.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Great clip. Linda Kozlowski was a stone cold 10 in that movie.
  156. @Anon
    O/T

    http://goodtimes.sc/cover-stories/impact-santa-cruz-county-agriculture-labor-shortage/

    Barajas cites Swanton Berry Farm as an example that other farms could emulate. The 80-acre organic farm is famous as the first certified organic farm in the U.S. to sign a labor contract with the UFW and offer its workers an employee stock ownership program, in addition to health insurance, vacation and holiday pay, low income housing on site, pensions and other benefits. While some farmers have already integrated some of these benefits, for others it would require a significant change to operations.

    Looking toward the future, Peixoto believes that more needs to be done to encourage younger generations to pursue careers in agriculture, an industry that he feels has not earned its bad reputation.
     

    “low income housing on site” and maybe a company store .

  157. @Dave Pinsen
    Legally, squatters’ rights take a long time to kick in though, depending on the jurisdiction. Could be 10-15 years.

    Right, it’s not a perfect comparison. But in dense urban areas, squatters can indeed claim rights in much less time. Old girlfriend’s grandfather owned apartments in L.A., claimed he had had to deal with several squatters who had only been in a few months. In London (according to a reality TV show I’ve been watching), they can claim squatters rights immediately. Like, if landlords kick out a tenant for not paying rent, that tenant can literally run back in and claim squatters rights.

    Maybe a better way to make my point is that illegal immigration has a de facto statue of limitations on it, past which point you can’t be prosecuted.

  158. @Brutusale
    Back when white guys were allowed to defend themselves.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWl8EbNN8NM

    Great clip. Linda Kozlowski was a stone cold 10 in that movie.

  159. @Peter Akuleyev

    Another big obstacle for the lower classes are the declining standards at their schools.
     
    Dieter is exactly right. I see the same in Austria. The decline in the public schools is the most obvious symptom of the deterioration of the public fabric due to immigration, and the cost is borne almost entirely by the lower and middle classes.

    My impression is that the long term plan of German and Austrian elites is to become an English-speaking cosmopolitan überclass, so the extinction of the German language is a small price to pay.

    The überclass phenomenon is an interesting thing. And I – living at the lake of Constance not far away from Zürich, can see it already happening. People who have moved their family to Zürich because quality of life is better there than in – now you can choose: London, Milano, Warshaw, Krakau… – where they work….
    The parties where there is English spoken, because the internationalized workforce in Zürich doesn’t even bother to learn the German language any longer… Just to listen to them trying to “fill” a saturday evening is so outright within a pretty much prefabricated internationalist mindset, that it produces hardly anything than clichés and – boredom. But hey – that’s what we have (created) drugs for, don’t we??!!

    – One of this group was our next door neighbour once and he couldn’t have cared less about the southern German town he did live in with us. – Therefor I happen to call those people the new class of the high flying global dopes.

  160. @Ed
    There is nothing preventing French people from doing this in fact there’s a party that openly runs on such a platform. French Jews make a minor part of France they do not control the minds of millions of French people.

    Place your frustrations (are you even French?) where they belong. The masses of French people that either don’t care or support a multiethnic France. It should be pointed out that France still has overseas departments in South America, Caribbean and Africa, where residents are free to come and go to the mainland. So you’ll never get your all white France.

    Interesting why my comments on this post are constantly being blocked. There really is a Zionist conspiracy!

  161. @AnotherDad

    This is a canary in a coal mine, as millions of women beneficiaries of feminism get older, there will be mayhem. They are like fish out of water, animal rights will be the least of our problems.
     
    Well said, Beckow.

    When i see these women acting out--hissy fit in print, at a demo, or in this case actual shooting--again and again you see the same thing ... they are simply out of their natural element. They haven't done what they should have done--become wives and mothers. All the female hormones and urges are at play but don't have their natural outlet. This is--at least in numbers--a new thing.

    We've always had some fraction of young males--their energies and urges not properly channelled for some reason--doing nasty violent or just weird stuff. But we get most guys either calmed down, locked up or killed off. But older men--even if not channelled into the family thing--have a role their particular interests (career, intellectual, social, recreational, etc.) Men have the hardware and software--interest in things and ideas--to do it.

    Women have no such orientation. Generally women who don't make a go at family life are nuts. And now we have more and more such women.

    Generally women who don’t make a go at family life are nuts. And now we have more and more such women.

    Yes, it is going to get ugly as they age. They will be loud, angry, volatile, unpleasant, and no society has the means to handle them. Like millions of Hillary types egging each other on, going more and more into the abyss of meaningless existence and blaming everybody else for it.

    We might need lots of cheap wine and cats. They will eventually die off, but who will replace them? I suspect this is the way it looks when civilisations get exhausted and collapse. Rebellions against nature don’t succeed any more than the rebellions against geography.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I was recently reading about the controversy over seals in the children's beach at La Jolla, California. It didn't surprise me at all to see that the pro-seal protesters mostly consisted of old white women.

    I suppose one good thing about the eventual Mexican take-over of California is that when it finally happens, those stupid seals will all be shot and the beach given back to the children it was intended for.
  162. Anonymous[617] • Disclaimer says:
    @Beckow

    Generally women who don’t make a go at family life are nuts. And now we have more and more such women.
     
    Yes, it is going to get ugly as they age. They will be loud, angry, volatile, unpleasant, and no society has the means to handle them. Like millions of Hillary types egging each other on, going more and more into the abyss of meaningless existence and blaming everybody else for it.

    We might need lots of cheap wine and cats. They will eventually die off, but who will replace them? I suspect this is the way it looks when civilisations get exhausted and collapse. Rebellions against nature don't succeed any more than the rebellions against geography.

    I was recently reading about the controversy over seals in the children’s beach at La Jolla, California. It didn’t surprise me at all to see that the pro-seal protesters mostly consisted of old white women.

    I suppose one good thing about the eventual Mexican take-over of California is that when it finally happens, those stupid seals will all be shot and the beach given back to the children it was intended for.

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