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In theory, Bernie Sanders’ platform of Free Stuff ought to appeal to black Democratic voters in South Carolina today. But in black politics, in both America and Africa, 19th Century European socialist logic doesn’t have much emotional appeal. It’s too abstract and impersonal.

Instead, black politics is mostly about the Big Man Gets Paid (and, in these enlightened times, the Big Woman Gets Paid.)

Hillary simply has a longer track record than Bernie of seeing that local Big Men and Big Women get their cut.

 
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  1. Hillary has better name recognition. This is especially important with low-info voters. And most of the Black pols are for her. They want to be on the winning team, plus some may be paid by her campaign to get out the vote. I think I remember James Carville once bragging about bribing Black pastors. Would Bernie do that? Would he even reward his endorsers with jobs and the like if he somehow managed to win, or would he consider that sleazy?

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    Yeah, that’s pretty much it. Ordinary black voters are such low-information voters that the “black leadership” i.e. the Big Men/Big Women can easily maintain information bottlenecks that ensure they get paid.

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  3. Also, truly poor people already get all kinds of free stuff. Bernie’s platform is for not-quite-successful white baristas who want enough free stuff to make them look upper middle class.

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    • Replies: @Dew
    If Bernie drops out, will these young whites go for Trump?

    What Hillary could possibly offer them? I really would like to know. She has been rather hostile towards whites in general, which is politically stupid even with the current demographics.
    , @Olorin
    Like the ones I see regularly at Trader Joe's buying little 8-dollar jars of organic quince paste and three ounces of paper-thin sliced organic grassfed charcuterie for $17 with their EBT cards.
  4. Also, we already have socialism for blacks. Bernie just wants to extend the free handouts to whites. So, he isn’t really offering much new to blacks.

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    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @Wilkey
    "Also, we already have socialism for blacks. Bernie just wants to extend the free handouts to whites. So, he isn’t really offering much new to blacks."

    A lot of truth to that. Blacks know socialism won't make them rich - it just allows them to get by without having to work or marry their baby daddy/baby momma. Extend that socialism to everyone and the system collapses. They need whites to work to pay for their handouts - kinda the reverse of slavery - and whites have to work to keep from having to around lots of blacks.
  5. The alternative theory is that poor blacks sell their votes. The sale is mediated through church or civic organizations.

    Ed Rollins repeated claimed he could do this:

    “We went into black churches and we basically said to ministers who had endorsed Florio, ‘Do you have a special project?’

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Rollins#1993_gubernatorial_campaign

    Historical note, republican Whitman won the the race. Florio was the last governor of NJ to completely fund the state pension system.

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    • Replies: @Bill P

    The alternative theory is that poor blacks sell their votes. The sale is mediated through church or civic organizations.
     
    All urban democrats know this, but what gets me is that none of these black churches ever get their non-profit status revoked, whereas a white church that tried the same tactic would be under IRS scrutiny very quickly.

    In a particularly weird example of this, Seattle's homosexual mayor Ed Murray won office by buying off Somali imams who then publicly reminded him of this when he tried to shut down their hookah parlors. Naturally, he backed down.
  6. I suspect Sanders moving to Vermont from Brooklyn in the late Sixties smacks to much of White flight for too many Blacks.

    Hillary has always lived in States at least with large numbers of Blacks, except maybe in college.

    BTW in would be interesting to get a Black POV as to what the Black POV is here but I’m not sure we’re going to get one.

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    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    BTW it would be interesting to get a Black POV as to what the Black POV is here but I’m not sure we’re going to get one.

    I guess it depends on whetehr "Truth" is actually black. Some have their doubts, based on his use of the pejorative "sport."
    , @Jim Don Bob
    I am self identifying as Black this afternoon, and I will say that I agree with you completely.

    “Hey, HEY! Where my free stuff at!? Fool!”

  7. It’s not too late for Bernie to go full Joker parade (1989). In Weberian terms, that’d be a patrimonialism and charisma two-fer.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sJI0tiMlDtQ

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  8. Free stuff is too abstract a concept? That sounds sad.

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    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Instead of "the Big Men/Women get paid", perhaps the correct slogan should be: "hey, HEY! Where my stuff at!? Fool!"
  9. Off-topic but important.

    Is the Facebook “Black Lives Matter” Insult a Hoax?

    Rumors are afoot that Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg himself or one of his stooges staged the incident to provide him a platform to feign moral outrage over the existence of racist employees. Some are questioning how a person of Zuckerberg’s intelligence could fall for such an amateur hate prank and are claiming that he intends to use it as a foil to purge certain white male employees. While such speculation is premature, analysts are closely watching the unfolding drama to see if it marks a new trend in corporate undercover operations. The results of Facebook’s internal investigation of the crime are eagerly anticipated.

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    • Replies: @elmer t. jones
    Encorpera Survival Tip # 37 : The “anonymous” Employee Rumor Control Board is under video surveillance.
    , @Anonymous
    I know someone who works at facebook, who says it's a real thing. It's been going on for a while, people writing black lives matter/all lives matter and crossing out the other one.
  10. The Bern man will lose because he did not sufficiently suck to blacks. And Jeb lost because he did not suck up to whites at all. Race is all that matters. Ignore it, play stupid, you lose.

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  11. @elmer t. jones
    Off-topic but important.

    Is the Facebook “Black Lives Matter” Insult a Hoax?

    Rumors are afoot that Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg himself or one of his stooges staged the incident to provide him a platform to feign moral outrage over the existence of racist employees. Some are questioning how a person of Zuckerberg’s intelligence could fall for such an amateur hate prank and are claiming that he intends to use it as a foil to purge certain white male employees. While such speculation is premature, analysts are closely watching the unfolding drama to see if it marks a new trend in corporate undercover operations. The results of Facebook’s internal investigation of the crime are eagerly anticipated.

    Encorpera Survival Tip # 37 : The “anonymous” Employee Rumor Control Board is under video surveillance.

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  12. @George
    The alternative theory is that poor blacks sell their votes. The sale is mediated through church or civic organizations.

    Ed Rollins repeated claimed he could do this:

    "We went into black churches and we basically said to ministers who had endorsed Florio, 'Do you have a special project?'

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Rollins#1993_gubernatorial_campaign

    Historical note, republican Whitman won the the race. Florio was the last governor of NJ to completely fund the state pension system.

    The alternative theory is that poor blacks sell their votes. The sale is mediated through church or civic organizations.

    All urban democrats know this, but what gets me is that none of these black churches ever get their non-profit status revoked, whereas a white church that tried the same tactic would be under IRS scrutiny very quickly.

    In a particularly weird example of this, Seattle’s homosexual mayor Ed Murray won office by buying off Somali imams who then publicly reminded him of this when he tried to shut down their hookah parlors. Naturally, he backed down.

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    • Replies: @anon
    All urban democrats know this, but what gets me is that none of these black churches ever get their non-profit status revoked, whereas a white church that tried the same tactic would be under IRS scrutiny very quickly.

    If I didn't know better, I'd start to wonder if maybe the IRS didn't play fair when it comes to this sort of thing.
  13. @anony-mouse
    I suspect Sanders moving to Vermont from Brooklyn in the late Sixties smacks to much of White flight for too many Blacks.

    Hillary has always lived in States at least with large numbers of Blacks, except maybe in college.

    BTW in would be interesting to get a Black POV as to what the Black POV is here but I'm not sure we're going to get one.

    BTW it would be interesting to get a Black POV as to what the Black POV is here but I’m not sure we’re going to get one.

    I guess it depends on whetehr “Truth” is actually black. Some have their doubts, based on his use of the pejorative “sport.”

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I guess it depends on whetehr “Truth” is actually black. Some have their doubts, based on his use of the pejorative “sport.”
     
    He recently said his sister lives in Vermont. Wheresoeverfore?
    , @Truth
    My take?

    Steve, and most of you were wrong, and you are too childish to just admit it.

    But it makes a Nigro feel all warm and fuzzy to be wanted...CHIEF.

  14. @jtgw
    Free stuff is too abstract a concept? That sounds sad.

    Instead of “the Big Men/Women get paid”, perhaps the correct slogan should be: “hey, HEY! Where my stuff at!? Fool!”

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  15. @anony-mouse
    I suspect Sanders moving to Vermont from Brooklyn in the late Sixties smacks to much of White flight for too many Blacks.

    Hillary has always lived in States at least with large numbers of Blacks, except maybe in college.

    BTW in would be interesting to get a Black POV as to what the Black POV is here but I'm not sure we're going to get one.

    I am self identifying as Black this afternoon, and I will say that I agree with you completely.

    “Hey, HEY! Where my free stuff at!? Fool!”

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  16. If only blacks would follow MLK’s (and to a lesser extent, Malcolm X’s) admonition to judge individuals rather than groups, they would have (helped to) put Ron Paul into the White House in ’12 instead of Barack “Fully-Owned” Obama. Then, “little [black] people” would’ve got their cut, after Dr. Paul cut the Federal Reserve thievery corporation, welfare (cronyism) for the rich, the military-industrial complex, the federal alphabet-soup agencies, restrictions on work, the I.nternal R.obbery S.ervice, the dep’t of mis-education, the war on (some) drugs, etc., as well as presidential pardons for a million people, many of them black men, who have committed no crime against anyone, but merely have offended others’ sensibilities . . .

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    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    Indeed, amongst the independent-acting and more intelligent blacks I have worked with and around, a good percentage of them were Ron Paul supporters. Local radio stations with talk shows that made fun of Paul got more angry calls from blacks than from whites, or at least, put more of them on the air-and there were quite a few.
  17. Bernie is perceived as the white people’s candidate. Plus, many still don’t know who he is. For those who are familiar with him, he is obviously Jewish (it’s the voice) which they don’t like, and he’s an old white man who says crazy things and probably is crazy. Who knows what he’d do?
    Hillary they know, sort of, and are mostly ok with.
    Trump will get 25+% of the black vote, easy.

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  18. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @elmer t. jones
    Off-topic but important.

    Is the Facebook “Black Lives Matter” Insult a Hoax?

    Rumors are afoot that Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg himself or one of his stooges staged the incident to provide him a platform to feign moral outrage over the existence of racist employees. Some are questioning how a person of Zuckerberg’s intelligence could fall for such an amateur hate prank and are claiming that he intends to use it as a foil to purge certain white male employees. While such speculation is premature, analysts are closely watching the unfolding drama to see if it marks a new trend in corporate undercover operations. The results of Facebook’s internal investigation of the crime are eagerly anticipated.

    I know someone who works at facebook, who says it’s a real thing. It’s been going on for a while, people writing black lives matter/all lives matter and crossing out the other one.

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    • Replies: @candid_observer
    But even your description adds an important nuance to the whole episode.

    Zuckerberg's account mentioned only the cases in which "Black Lives Matter" was crossed out and replaced with "All Lives Matter". I found that account rather hard to believe -- why wouldn't the standard response to seeing "Black Lives Matter" be simply to write next to it "All Lives Matter", rather than also crossing out the "Black" -- and especially if Zuckerberg had already complained about the crossing out? You see, the crossing out seems a lot more "malicious" than writing out the opposing statement, because it seems to be suppressing someone else's speech. But if the crossing out went both ways, as you are implying, that makes Zuckerberg's account of the affair seriously, even maliciously, distorted.

    And of course unless we know who actually did each of these things, we just don't know whether we have a hoax on our hands. Obviously, it's not a hard hoax to perpetrate, and it's hardly as if hoaxers wouldn't have the motivation.

    , @anon
    I had never heard of this Facebook thing until now, but I thought this quote from Zuckerberg about it was great:

    “Regardless of the content or location, crossing out something means silencing speech, or that one person’s speech is more important than another’s. Facebook should be a service and a community where everyone is treated with respect.”

    He ought to pass that message along to Jack Dorsey.
    , @elmer t. jones
    The phantom scribblers are either one and the same, or non-white non-African-Americans.

    #ZuckerbergDidIt
  19. As any regular Steve reader knows the average black person isn’t that bright.

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    As any regular Steve reader knows the average black person isn’t that bright.
     
    Judging by Gates, Gladwell, deGrasse Tyson, etc, the bright black person isn't all that bright either.
  20. CNN exits. Race numbers tell all.

    http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/SC/Dem

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    • Replies: @Hail
    White men (14% of voters)
    Sanders 56%

    White women (21% of voters)
    Sanders 40%

    Black men (24% of voters)
    Sanders 18%

    Black women (37% of voters)
    Sanders 11%
  21. @Harry Baldwin
    BTW it would be interesting to get a Black POV as to what the Black POV is here but I’m not sure we’re going to get one.

    I guess it depends on whetehr "Truth" is actually black. Some have their doubts, based on his use of the pejorative "sport."

    I guess it depends on whetehr “Truth” is actually black. Some have their doubts, based on his use of the pejorative “sport.”

    He recently said his sister lives in Vermont. Wheresoeverfore?

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  22. @Anonymous
    I know someone who works at facebook, who says it's a real thing. It's been going on for a while, people writing black lives matter/all lives matter and crossing out the other one.

    But even your description adds an important nuance to the whole episode.

    Zuckerberg’s account mentioned only the cases in which “Black Lives Matter” was crossed out and replaced with “All Lives Matter”. I found that account rather hard to believe — why wouldn’t the standard response to seeing “Black Lives Matter” be simply to write next to it “All Lives Matter”, rather than also crossing out the “Black” — and especially if Zuckerberg had already complained about the crossing out? You see, the crossing out seems a lot more “malicious” than writing out the opposing statement, because it seems to be suppressing someone else’s speech. But if the crossing out went both ways, as you are implying, that makes Zuckerberg’s account of the affair seriously, even maliciously, distorted.

    And of course unless we know who actually did each of these things, we just don’t know whether we have a hoax on our hands. Obviously, it’s not a hard hoax to perpetrate, and it’s hardly as if hoaxers wouldn’t have the motivation.

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  23. @Superman
    Also, we already have socialism for blacks. Bernie just wants to extend the free handouts to whites. So, he isn't really offering much new to blacks.

    “Also, we already have socialism for blacks. Bernie just wants to extend the free handouts to whites. So, he isn’t really offering much new to blacks.”

    A lot of truth to that. Blacks know socialism won’t make them rich – it just allows them to get by without having to work or marry their baby daddy/baby momma. Extend that socialism to everyone and the system collapses. They need whites to work to pay for their handouts – kinda the reverse of slavery – and whites have to work to keep from having to around lots of blacks.

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    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Desiderius

    They need whites to work to pay for their handouts – kinda the reverse of slavery – and whites have to work to keep from having to around lots of blacks.
     
    No, it's pretty much just slavery straight-up.
    , @Former Darfur
    In today's labor market, an 80-85 IQ black who dedicates him or herself to a life of welfare, system gaming and disability is acting in rational terms economically. He or she can't earn more by working when you take into account food stamps, free medical care, et al.

    Auto assembly jobs need about a 90 IQ, and the construction trades more than that. There used to be dishwasher, car wash, etc. jobs out there but automation and mestizos have dried most of those positions up. The military requires above-90 IQs for almost every MOS/AFSC/rate there is too.

    Paying stupid black (and other) women more not to birth than to birth makes economic sense even if you have to pay them considerably more than the value of welfare payments now. Likewise vasectomizing stupid young males will save everyone an enormous amount of money and the promise of lighter prison sentences could induce a lot of them to submit.
  24. @Ed
    As any regular Steve reader knows the average black person isn't that bright.

    As any regular Steve reader knows the average black person isn’t that bright.

    Judging by Gates, Gladwell, deGrasse Tyson, etc, the bright black person isn’t all that bright either.

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    • Replies: @Hail
    Thomas Sowell is pretty good.
    , @Mr. Anon
    Tyson isn't short of smarts. He is simply just not the consequential scientist he is made out to be. He is a museum director.
  25. @countenance
    CNN exits. Race numbers tell all.

    http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/SC/Dem

    White men (14% of voters)
    Sanders 56%

    White women (21% of voters)
    Sanders 40%

    Black men (24% of voters)
    Sanders 18%

    Black women (37% of voters)
    Sanders 11%

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    • Replies: @Portlander
    No way Hillary pulled in 44% of white males.

    I'd believe 24%. Maybe 34%, but 44%? Nope. That's a bridge too far.

  26. @Wilkey
    "Also, we already have socialism for blacks. Bernie just wants to extend the free handouts to whites. So, he isn’t really offering much new to blacks."

    A lot of truth to that. Blacks know socialism won't make them rich - it just allows them to get by without having to work or marry their baby daddy/baby momma. Extend that socialism to everyone and the system collapses. They need whites to work to pay for their handouts - kinda the reverse of slavery - and whites have to work to keep from having to around lots of blacks.

    They need whites to work to pay for their handouts – kinda the reverse of slavery – and whites have to work to keep from having to around lots of blacks.

    No, it’s pretty much just slavery straight-up.

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  27. @Reg Cæsar

    As any regular Steve reader knows the average black person isn’t that bright.
     
    Judging by Gates, Gladwell, deGrasse Tyson, etc, the bright black person isn't all that bright either.

    Thomas Sowell is pretty good.

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Thomas Sowell is pretty good.
     
    I have a shelf full of his books.

    I was reading one on a train in northern Florida. In some little burg I saw a cartoonishly downscale white couple, what I call a "10"-- he was scrawny, almost anorectic, and she grossly obese. And I'm thinking,I'm reading Sowell and then observing them. This picture is upside-down!
    , @Stan d Mute

    Thomas Sowell is pretty good.
     
    That's the "soft bigotry of low expectations" right there. What you meant, consciously or not, is "Thomas Sowell is pretty good for an African." The same is true of Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, or Ben Carson. They're all middling talents in their respective fields, but gain a massive affirmative action boost. Obama is the poster boy for this - if he were "Hispanic" he would be Little Ricky Rubio, a guy who's never accomplished anything with no plausible chance of being elected. If he were white, he'd be manager at a Footlocker store in a dying mall.

    Africans are *always* treated like mildly retarded children and praised/rewarded vastly out of proportion with their true talent. This is equally true whether democrat or republican.
  28. I think it comes down to whose campaign got more of their voters to come out and cast their ballots. Hillary’s machine worked better, but it had the local black party activists working for her.

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    @Bill P

    The alternative theory is that poor blacks sell their votes. The sale is mediated through church or civic organizations.
     
    All urban democrats know this, but what gets me is that none of these black churches ever get their non-profit status revoked, whereas a white church that tried the same tactic would be under IRS scrutiny very quickly.

    In a particularly weird example of this, Seattle's homosexual mayor Ed Murray won office by buying off Somali imams who then publicly reminded him of this when he tried to shut down their hookah parlors. Naturally, he backed down.

    All urban democrats know this, but what gets me is that none of these black churches ever get their non-profit status revoked, whereas a white church that tried the same tactic would be under IRS scrutiny very quickly.

    If I didn’t know better, I’d start to wonder if maybe the IRS didn’t play fair when it comes to this sort of thing.

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  30. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anonymous
    I know someone who works at facebook, who says it's a real thing. It's been going on for a while, people writing black lives matter/all lives matter and crossing out the other one.

    I had never heard of this Facebook thing until now, but I thought this quote from Zuckerberg about it was great:

    “Regardless of the content or location, crossing out something means silencing speech, or that one person’s speech is more important than another’s. Facebook should be a service and a community where everyone is treated with respect.”

    He ought to pass that message along to Jack Dorsey.

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  31. @Anonymous
    I know someone who works at facebook, who says it's a real thing. It's been going on for a while, people writing black lives matter/all lives matter and crossing out the other one.

    The phantom scribblers are either one and the same, or non-white non-African-Americans.

    #ZuckerbergDidIt

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  32. To begin with, the claim that Sanders is some kind of “19th Century European socialist” in the mode of Marx, Lassalle, or Proudhon is an embarrassingly ahistorical claim. Truth be told, whatever Sanders calls himself (and whatever he used to be in the past), he really isn’t any kind of socialist at all, but rather an American New Deal/Great Society liberal.

    Secondly, it simply isn’t true that African-descended populations have been generally averse to socialist parties and politicians. Michael Manley, a very light-skin Jamaican, won two elections in his country by huge margins, and is still a popular, if somewhat polarizing, Prime Minister (Jamaicans can be fiercely tribalistic about their political parties, as I discovered from a Jamaican roommate who was an intransigent supporter of the center-right Jamaica Labour Party [don't be fooled by the name]). Even further to the left, Fidel Castro (who is himself 1/8 black, being the illegitimate child of a wealthy land-owner and his 1/4 black domestic servant), enjoyed more support, at least during the early years of the Cuban Revolution, among black Cubans than among whites. A 1962 poll put black support of Castro and the revolution at 80%, with white support only 67% (Zeitlin 1966: 47, Table 5). This is all the more interesting considering that Batista was a mestizo, and that blacks had little to nothing to do with Castro’s pre-1959 guerrilla movement. Indeed, prior to 1959, Castro was often attacked by Batista supporters in terms similar to those used by Clinton-supporters against Sanders: out-of-touch, white middle-class faux-revolutionary. (Thomas 1971: 1122).

    Finally, it seems to me that a study of European history produces far more insights in this regard than does the history of Africa and its diaspora. For weeks, in anticipation of Sanders’ South Carolina defeat, I have been thinking of the Habsburgs’ decision to use Slavs to put down the Magyar Revolt of 1848.

    Thomas, Hugh. 1971. Cuba, or the Pursuit of Freedom. New York: Harper & Row.

    Zeitlin, Maurice. 1966. “Economic Insecurity and the Political Attitudes of Cuban Workers.” American Sociological Review, Vol. 31, No. 1; 35-51.

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    • Replies: @notsaying
    Very interesting comment.

    It's new in the US for someone like Sanders to go so far politically but not in Europe, Australia, etc.

    The other First World countries pay somewhat higher taxes for lots more government benefits. I've thought for years they had a much better deal than we did.

    Here in the US, the government spends so much on defense of other countries and so much more, per person, on healthcare that we get far less benefit out of government spending.

    All my adult life American citizens have been spending too much for what we get from government.

    Personally I am ready for Sanders. I think he offers a better deal -- and a deal that I want.

    But those who disagree with me should be still be outraged that all they don't get -- but should -- for what they pay in taxes.

    , @Hail

    Fidel Castro (who is himself 1/8 black, being the illegitimate child of a wealthy land-owner and his 1/4 black domestic servant), enjoyed more support, at least during the early years of the Cuban Revolution, among black Cubans than among whites.
     
    What is your source on this claim of Fidel Castro having fully 1/8th Black ancestry?
    , @Hail

    Batista was a mestizo
     
    From Wiki:

    [Fulgencio Batista] was of mixed Spanish, African, and indigenous Caribbean descent with a part-Chinese father.[13][14] [....]

    Both Batista's parents are believed to have been of mixed race and one may have had indigenous Caribbean blood.[15] Batista himself was initially educated at a public school in Banes, later attending night classes at an American Quaker school....
     
    Fulgencio Batista's grandson Raoul Cantero became a Justice of the Florida Supreme Court. He hardly displays a trace of his grandparent's multi-racial origins.

    His grandmother, Mrs. Batista, Elisa, looks likely full-European to me.
  33. @Reg Cæsar

    As any regular Steve reader knows the average black person isn’t that bright.
     
    Judging by Gates, Gladwell, deGrasse Tyson, etc, the bright black person isn't all that bright either.

    Tyson isn’t short of smarts. He is simply just not the consequential scientist he is made out to be. He is a museum director.

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Tyson isn’t short of smarts. He is simply just not the consequential scientist he is made out to be. He is a museum director.
     
    Funny, there's a black female "genius" character just like that on the PBS Curious George cartoons, Prof Wiseman. It's never explained why she's working at the local science museum. Lost her genius job to an H-1b?
  34. @Bard of Bumperstickers
    If only blacks would follow MLK's (and to a lesser extent, Malcolm X's) admonition to judge individuals rather than groups, they would have (helped to) put Ron Paul into the White House in '12 instead of Barack "Fully-Owned" Obama. Then, "little [black] people" would've got their cut, after Dr. Paul cut the Federal Reserve thievery corporation, welfare (cronyism) for the rich, the military-industrial complex, the federal alphabet-soup agencies, restrictions on work, the I.nternal R.obbery S.ervice, the dep't of mis-education, the war on (some) drugs, etc., as well as presidential pardons for a million people, many of them black men, who have committed no crime against anyone, but merely have offended others' sensibilities . . .

    Indeed, amongst the independent-acting and more intelligent blacks I have worked with and around, a good percentage of them were Ron Paul supporters. Local radio stations with talk shows that made fun of Paul got more angry calls from blacks than from whites, or at least, put more of them on the air-and there were quite a few.

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  35. @Hail
    White men (14% of voters)
    Sanders 56%

    White women (21% of voters)
    Sanders 40%

    Black men (24% of voters)
    Sanders 18%

    Black women (37% of voters)
    Sanders 11%

    No way Hillary pulled in 44% of white males.

    I’d believe 24%. Maybe 34%, but 44%? Nope. That’s a bridge too far.

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    • Replies: @Hail

    No way Hillary pulled in 44% of white males.
     
    Yes, she certainly didn't get 44% of White males.

    White men voting in either SC primary, 2016
    Republican, ca. 375,000
    Democratic, ca. 50,000 (of whom 22,000 for Hillary)
    Total: circa 425,000

    Thus,
    Only 5% (five percent) of White males in South Carolina voted for Hillary in 2016 in the primaries.
  36. @Wilkey
    "Also, we already have socialism for blacks. Bernie just wants to extend the free handouts to whites. So, he isn’t really offering much new to blacks."

    A lot of truth to that. Blacks know socialism won't make them rich - it just allows them to get by without having to work or marry their baby daddy/baby momma. Extend that socialism to everyone and the system collapses. They need whites to work to pay for their handouts - kinda the reverse of slavery - and whites have to work to keep from having to around lots of blacks.

    In today’s labor market, an 80-85 IQ black who dedicates him or herself to a life of welfare, system gaming and disability is acting in rational terms economically. He or she can’t earn more by working when you take into account food stamps, free medical care, et al.

    Auto assembly jobs need about a 90 IQ, and the construction trades more than that. There used to be dishwasher, car wash, etc. jobs out there but automation and mestizos have dried most of those positions up. The military requires above-90 IQs for almost every MOS/AFSC/rate there is too.

    Paying stupid black (and other) women more not to birth than to birth makes economic sense even if you have to pay them considerably more than the value of welfare payments now. Likewise vasectomizing stupid young males will save everyone an enormous amount of money and the promise of lighter prison sentences could induce a lot of them to submit.

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    • Replies: @Das
    Cash welfare, for the most part, is not available anymore outside of a few Blue States. Bill Clinton wasn't lying about "ending welfare as we know it."

    Cheating the disability system actually requires a certain degree of savvy, and the numbers in the program are nowhere comparable to the pre-90s AFDC program.

    But to conservatives, it's always 1978. The total failure to integrate new information into their worldview is fascinating.
  37. @MC
    Also, truly poor people already get all kinds of free stuff. Bernie's platform is for not-quite-successful white baristas who want enough free stuff to make them look upper middle class.

    If Bernie drops out, will these young whites go for Trump?

    What Hillary could possibly offer them? I really would like to know. She has been rather hostile towards whites in general, which is politically stupid even with the current demographics.

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    • Replies: @Erik Sieven
    man shall not live by bread alone...those white Baristas of course like having a certain material lifestyle but they also like being "on the right side of history", having a huge disdain for other people "who think they are white" etc.
    If white people would have been interested in their personal financial situation there would have been no civil right movement in the first place
  38. This is also related to the reason Trump will win a lot of black votes: He’s a “G,” a “gangsta.”

    They like Big Men who flaunt their bigness. A tribal chief, even if he’s orange.

    It’s about the Big Orange Man who knows how to get his cut.

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  39. @MC
    Also, truly poor people already get all kinds of free stuff. Bernie's platform is for not-quite-successful white baristas who want enough free stuff to make them look upper middle class.

    Like the ones I see regularly at Trader Joe’s buying little 8-dollar jars of organic quince paste and three ounces of paper-thin sliced organic grassfed charcuterie for $17 with their EBT cards.

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  40. @Former Darfur
    In today's labor market, an 80-85 IQ black who dedicates him or herself to a life of welfare, system gaming and disability is acting in rational terms economically. He or she can't earn more by working when you take into account food stamps, free medical care, et al.

    Auto assembly jobs need about a 90 IQ, and the construction trades more than that. There used to be dishwasher, car wash, etc. jobs out there but automation and mestizos have dried most of those positions up. The military requires above-90 IQs for almost every MOS/AFSC/rate there is too.

    Paying stupid black (and other) women more not to birth than to birth makes economic sense even if you have to pay them considerably more than the value of welfare payments now. Likewise vasectomizing stupid young males will save everyone an enormous amount of money and the promise of lighter prison sentences could induce a lot of them to submit.

    Cash welfare, for the most part, is not available anymore outside of a few Blue States. Bill Clinton wasn’t lying about “ending welfare as we know it.”

    Cheating the disability system actually requires a certain degree of savvy, and the numbers in the program are nowhere comparable to the pre-90s AFDC program.

    But to conservatives, it’s always 1978. The total failure to integrate new information into their worldview is fascinating.

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    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Cash welfare, for the most part, is not available anymore outside of a few Blue States. Bill Clinton wasn’t lying about “ending welfare as we know it.”

    Cheating the disability system actually requires a certain degree of savvy, and the numbers in the program are nowhere comparable to the pre-90s AFDC program.

    But to conservatives, it’s always 1978. The total failure to integrate new information into their worldview is fascinating.
     

    That's not fair in this case. Conservatives have no reasonable way of acquiring the "new information" you're talking about.
  41. Black people basically vote for whoever black leaders are pushing. It’s not like Hispanics, where the self-proclaimed leaders have no followers.

    As a result, black people almost always vote for the Democratic establishment candidate.

    Bernie Sanders got a handful of black endorsements like Ta-Nehisi Coates, but no one in South Carolina knows who “Ta-Nehisi Coates” is.

    Meanwhile Hillary had every black leader in the country campaigning for her. Obama didn’t officially endorse, but everyone knew that he prefers Hillary.

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  42. @Harry Baldwin
    BTW it would be interesting to get a Black POV as to what the Black POV is here but I’m not sure we’re going to get one.

    I guess it depends on whetehr "Truth" is actually black. Some have their doubts, based on his use of the pejorative "sport."

    My take?

    Steve, and most of you were wrong, and you are too childish to just admit it.

    But it makes a Nigro feel all warm and fuzzy to be wanted…CHIEF.

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  43. @Das
    Cash welfare, for the most part, is not available anymore outside of a few Blue States. Bill Clinton wasn't lying about "ending welfare as we know it."

    Cheating the disability system actually requires a certain degree of savvy, and the numbers in the program are nowhere comparable to the pre-90s AFDC program.

    But to conservatives, it's always 1978. The total failure to integrate new information into their worldview is fascinating.

    Cash welfare, for the most part, is not available anymore outside of a few Blue States. Bill Clinton wasn’t lying about “ending welfare as we know it.”

    Cheating the disability system actually requires a certain degree of savvy, and the numbers in the program are nowhere comparable to the pre-90s AFDC program.

    But to conservatives, it’s always 1978. The total failure to integrate new information into their worldview is fascinating.

    That’s not fair in this case. Conservatives have no reasonable way of acquiring the “new information” you’re talking about.

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    • Replies: @Formerly CARealist
    Going on disability and smoking pot legally is the new career path that I see. Both of my immediate neighbors have it goin' on.

    It's not that they're savvy, it's that they're shameless. People know how to do the pathetic routine when they really want to.
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    I’m going to completely agree; no need to overthink this. Sander’s ‘socialism’ is too abstract for blacks and doesn’t specify how many dollars are to be transferred to them. Straight-up cash handout is timeless and universally understood. Just keep it simple and straightforward.

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  45. @Dew
    If Bernie drops out, will these young whites go for Trump?

    What Hillary could possibly offer them? I really would like to know. She has been rather hostile towards whites in general, which is politically stupid even with the current demographics.

    man shall not live by bread alone…those white Baristas of course like having a certain material lifestyle but they also like being “on the right side of history”, having a huge disdain for other people “who think they are white” etc.
    If white people would have been interested in their personal financial situation there would have been no civil right movement in the first place

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  46. @Mr. Anon
    Tyson isn't short of smarts. He is simply just not the consequential scientist he is made out to be. He is a museum director.

    Tyson isn’t short of smarts. He is simply just not the consequential scientist he is made out to be. He is a museum director.

    Funny, there’s a black female “genius” character just like that on the PBS Curious George cartoons, Prof Wiseman. It’s never explained why she’s working at the local science museum. Lost her genius job to an H-1b?

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  47. @Hail
    Thomas Sowell is pretty good.

    Thomas Sowell is pretty good.

    I have a shelf full of his books.

    I was reading one on a train in northern Florida. In some little burg I saw a cartoonishly downscale white couple, what I call a “10″– he was scrawny, almost anorectic, and she grossly obese. And I’m thinking,I’m reading Sowell and then observing them. This picture is upside-down!

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    And I’m thinking,I’m reading Sowell and then observing them. This picture is upside-down!
     
    This is largely why Africans are recognized and rewarded wildly out of proportion to their talents. It's the same phenomenon guiding the disparate sanctions against whites who have gone wrong. Nobody is impressed when a Jewish kid graduates from medical school, but it's a headline when he is booted out of school and leads a BDS movement chapter. This seems like a constant across race and culture, but becomes a problem in a multi-cultural society where mediocrities are lauded as exceptional due to the large differences in ability between groups.
  48. @Hail
    Thomas Sowell is pretty good.

    Thomas Sowell is pretty good.

    That’s the “soft bigotry of low expectations” right there. What you meant, consciously or not, is “Thomas Sowell is pretty good for an African.” The same is true of Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, or Ben Carson. They’re all middling talents in their respective fields, but gain a massive affirmative action boost. Obama is the poster boy for this – if he were “Hispanic” he would be Little Ricky Rubio, a guy who’s never accomplished anything with no plausible chance of being elected. If he were white, he’d be manager at a Footlocker store in a dying mall.

    Africans are *always* treated like mildly retarded children and praised/rewarded vastly out of proportion with their true talent. This is equally true whether democrat or republican.

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  49. @Reg Cæsar

    Thomas Sowell is pretty good.
     
    I have a shelf full of his books.

    I was reading one on a train in northern Florida. In some little burg I saw a cartoonishly downscale white couple, what I call a "10"-- he was scrawny, almost anorectic, and she grossly obese. And I'm thinking,I'm reading Sowell and then observing them. This picture is upside-down!

    And I’m thinking,I’m reading Sowell and then observing them. This picture is upside-down!

    This is largely why Africans are recognized and rewarded wildly out of proportion to their talents. It’s the same phenomenon guiding the disparate sanctions against whites who have gone wrong. Nobody is impressed when a Jewish kid graduates from medical school, but it’s a headline when he is booted out of school and leads a BDS movement chapter. This seems like a constant across race and culture, but becomes a problem in a multi-cultural society where mediocrities are lauded as exceptional due to the large differences in ability between groups.

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  50. @Portlander
    No way Hillary pulled in 44% of white males.

    I'd believe 24%. Maybe 34%, but 44%? Nope. That's a bridge too far.

    No way Hillary pulled in 44% of white males.

    Yes, she certainly didn’t get 44% of White males.

    White men voting in either SC primary, 2016
    Republican, ca. 375,000
    Democratic, ca. 50,000 (of whom 22,000 for Hillary)
    Total: circa 425,000

    Thus,
    Only 5% (five percent) of White males in South Carolina voted for Hillary in 2016 in the primaries.

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  51. I think its even simpler than this. Its a case of Bernie has white skin and is a male, so he’s bad. Hillary isnt much better, but at least she has a vagina. Negroes dont really go much further than that.

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  52. In a particularly weird example of this, Seattle’s homosexual mayor Ed Murray won office by buying off Somali imams who then publicly reminded him of this when he tried to shut down their hookah parlors. Naturally, he backed down.

    Not very astute. Whites love paperwork. “Won’t stay bought” is now on the Somalis’ permanent record.

    They need whites to work to pay for their handouts – kinda the reverse of slavery – and whites have to work to keep from having to around lots of blacks.

    Yeah “reverse slavery” sounds like “reverse racism”; not reversed in definition or spirit, just in direction.

    Cash welfare, for the most part, is not available anymore outside of a few Blue States. Bill Clinton wasn’t lying about “ending welfare as we know it.”

    Cheating the disability system actually requires a certain degree of savvy, and the numbers in the program are nowhere comparable to the pre-90s AFDC program.

    But to conservatives, it’s always 1978. The total failure to integrate new information into their worldview is fascinating.

    A liberal with a brain! Here! Hi, I’m just gonna stand over here with my mouth hanging open.

    Would you like a mint?

    Steve, and most of you were wrong, and you are too childish to just admit it.

    Wrong about? I’m wrong a lot, but I usually like to know the about what part first, before I make a confession. If we’re talking about the black vote going to Sanders or Clinton, I don’t recall making any predictions. Other than my usual about blacks voting as a bloc and the ship taking a while to turn around.

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  53. @ben tillman

    Cash welfare, for the most part, is not available anymore outside of a few Blue States. Bill Clinton wasn’t lying about “ending welfare as we know it.”

    Cheating the disability system actually requires a certain degree of savvy, and the numbers in the program are nowhere comparable to the pre-90s AFDC program.

    But to conservatives, it’s always 1978. The total failure to integrate new information into their worldview is fascinating.
     

    That's not fair in this case. Conservatives have no reasonable way of acquiring the "new information" you're talking about.

    Going on disability and smoking pot legally is the new career path that I see. Both of my immediate neighbors have it goin’ on.

    It’s not that they’re savvy, it’s that they’re shameless. People know how to do the pathetic routine when they really want to.

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  54. @matt
    To begin with, the claim that Sanders is some kind of "19th Century European socialist" in the mode of Marx, Lassalle, or Proudhon is an embarrassingly ahistorical claim. Truth be told, whatever Sanders calls himself (and whatever he used to be in the past), he really isn't any kind of socialist at all, but rather an American New Deal/Great Society liberal.

    Secondly, it simply isn't true that African-descended populations have been generally averse to socialist parties and politicians. Michael Manley, a very light-skin Jamaican, won two elections in his country by huge margins, and is still a popular, if somewhat polarizing, Prime Minister (Jamaicans can be fiercely tribalistic about their political parties, as I discovered from a Jamaican roommate who was an intransigent supporter of the center-right Jamaica Labour Party [don't be fooled by the name]). Even further to the left, Fidel Castro (who is himself 1/8 black, being the illegitimate child of a wealthy land-owner and his 1/4 black domestic servant), enjoyed more support, at least during the early years of the Cuban Revolution, among black Cubans than among whites. A 1962 poll put black support of Castro and the revolution at 80%, with white support only 67% (Zeitlin 1966: 47, Table 5). This is all the more interesting considering that Batista was a mestizo, and that blacks had little to nothing to do with Castro's pre-1959 guerrilla movement. Indeed, prior to 1959, Castro was often attacked by Batista supporters in terms similar to those used by Clinton-supporters against Sanders: out-of-touch, white middle-class faux-revolutionary. (Thomas 1971: 1122).

    Finally, it seems to me that a study of European history produces far more insights in this regard than does the history of Africa and its diaspora. For weeks, in anticipation of Sanders' South Carolina defeat, I have been thinking of the Habsburgs' decision to use Slavs to put down the Magyar Revolt of 1848.

    Thomas, Hugh. 1971. Cuba, or the Pursuit of Freedom. New York: Harper & Row.

    Zeitlin, Maurice. 1966. "Economic Insecurity and the Political Attitudes of Cuban Workers." American Sociological Review, Vol. 31, No. 1; 35-51.

    Very interesting comment.

    It’s new in the US for someone like Sanders to go so far politically but not in Europe, Australia, etc.

    The other First World countries pay somewhat higher taxes for lots more government benefits. I’ve thought for years they had a much better deal than we did.

    Here in the US, the government spends so much on defense of other countries and so much more, per person, on healthcare that we get far less benefit out of government spending.

    All my adult life American citizens have been spending too much for what we get from government.

    Personally I am ready for Sanders. I think he offers a better deal — and a deal that I want.

    But those who disagree with me should be still be outraged that all they don’t get — but should — for what they pay in taxes.

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  55. @matt
    To begin with, the claim that Sanders is some kind of "19th Century European socialist" in the mode of Marx, Lassalle, or Proudhon is an embarrassingly ahistorical claim. Truth be told, whatever Sanders calls himself (and whatever he used to be in the past), he really isn't any kind of socialist at all, but rather an American New Deal/Great Society liberal.

    Secondly, it simply isn't true that African-descended populations have been generally averse to socialist parties and politicians. Michael Manley, a very light-skin Jamaican, won two elections in his country by huge margins, and is still a popular, if somewhat polarizing, Prime Minister (Jamaicans can be fiercely tribalistic about their political parties, as I discovered from a Jamaican roommate who was an intransigent supporter of the center-right Jamaica Labour Party [don't be fooled by the name]). Even further to the left, Fidel Castro (who is himself 1/8 black, being the illegitimate child of a wealthy land-owner and his 1/4 black domestic servant), enjoyed more support, at least during the early years of the Cuban Revolution, among black Cubans than among whites. A 1962 poll put black support of Castro and the revolution at 80%, with white support only 67% (Zeitlin 1966: 47, Table 5). This is all the more interesting considering that Batista was a mestizo, and that blacks had little to nothing to do with Castro's pre-1959 guerrilla movement. Indeed, prior to 1959, Castro was often attacked by Batista supporters in terms similar to those used by Clinton-supporters against Sanders: out-of-touch, white middle-class faux-revolutionary. (Thomas 1971: 1122).

    Finally, it seems to me that a study of European history produces far more insights in this regard than does the history of Africa and its diaspora. For weeks, in anticipation of Sanders' South Carolina defeat, I have been thinking of the Habsburgs' decision to use Slavs to put down the Magyar Revolt of 1848.

    Thomas, Hugh. 1971. Cuba, or the Pursuit of Freedom. New York: Harper & Row.

    Zeitlin, Maurice. 1966. "Economic Insecurity and the Political Attitudes of Cuban Workers." American Sociological Review, Vol. 31, No. 1; 35-51.

    Fidel Castro (who is himself 1/8 black, being the illegitimate child of a wealthy land-owner and his 1/4 black domestic servant), enjoyed more support, at least during the early years of the Cuban Revolution, among black Cubans than among whites.

    What is your source on this claim of Fidel Castro having fully 1/8th Black ancestry?

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    Now that you mention it, I can't remember where I read that, and I can't find a citation. Castro himself says that his mother's family originated from the Canary Islands. Canarians are significantly North African in ancestry, and the Atlantic slave trade did incorporate the Canary Islands, so there is still a significant possibility that Lina Ruz had some non-trivial Sub-Saharan ancestry (see, e.g., here and here) but I can't find any evidence that her origins were in any part Afro-Cuban, as I had initially thought.
  56. @matt
    To begin with, the claim that Sanders is some kind of "19th Century European socialist" in the mode of Marx, Lassalle, or Proudhon is an embarrassingly ahistorical claim. Truth be told, whatever Sanders calls himself (and whatever he used to be in the past), he really isn't any kind of socialist at all, but rather an American New Deal/Great Society liberal.

    Secondly, it simply isn't true that African-descended populations have been generally averse to socialist parties and politicians. Michael Manley, a very light-skin Jamaican, won two elections in his country by huge margins, and is still a popular, if somewhat polarizing, Prime Minister (Jamaicans can be fiercely tribalistic about their political parties, as I discovered from a Jamaican roommate who was an intransigent supporter of the center-right Jamaica Labour Party [don't be fooled by the name]). Even further to the left, Fidel Castro (who is himself 1/8 black, being the illegitimate child of a wealthy land-owner and his 1/4 black domestic servant), enjoyed more support, at least during the early years of the Cuban Revolution, among black Cubans than among whites. A 1962 poll put black support of Castro and the revolution at 80%, with white support only 67% (Zeitlin 1966: 47, Table 5). This is all the more interesting considering that Batista was a mestizo, and that blacks had little to nothing to do with Castro's pre-1959 guerrilla movement. Indeed, prior to 1959, Castro was often attacked by Batista supporters in terms similar to those used by Clinton-supporters against Sanders: out-of-touch, white middle-class faux-revolutionary. (Thomas 1971: 1122).

    Finally, it seems to me that a study of European history produces far more insights in this regard than does the history of Africa and its diaspora. For weeks, in anticipation of Sanders' South Carolina defeat, I have been thinking of the Habsburgs' decision to use Slavs to put down the Magyar Revolt of 1848.

    Thomas, Hugh. 1971. Cuba, or the Pursuit of Freedom. New York: Harper & Row.

    Zeitlin, Maurice. 1966. "Economic Insecurity and the Political Attitudes of Cuban Workers." American Sociological Review, Vol. 31, No. 1; 35-51.

    Batista was a mestizo

    From Wiki:

    [Fulgencio Batista] was of mixed Spanish, African, and indigenous Caribbean descent with a part-Chinese father.[13][14] [....]

    Both Batista’s parents are believed to have been of mixed race and one may have had indigenous Caribbean blood.[15] Batista himself was initially educated at a public school in Banes, later attending night classes at an American Quaker school….

    Fulgencio Batista’s grandson Raoul Cantero became a Justice of the Florida Supreme Court. He hardly displays a trace of his grandparent’s multi-racial origins.

    His grandmother, Mrs. Batista, Elisa, looks likely full-European to me.

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  57. @Hail

    Fidel Castro (who is himself 1/8 black, being the illegitimate child of a wealthy land-owner and his 1/4 black domestic servant), enjoyed more support, at least during the early years of the Cuban Revolution, among black Cubans than among whites.
     
    What is your source on this claim of Fidel Castro having fully 1/8th Black ancestry?

    Now that you mention it, I can’t remember where I read that, and I can’t find a citation. Castro himself says that his mother’s family originated from the Canary Islands. Canarians are significantly North African in ancestry, and the Atlantic slave trade did incorporate the Canary Islands, so there is still a significant possibility that Lina Ruz had some non-trivial Sub-Saharan ancestry (see, e.g., here and here) but I can’t find any evidence that her origins were in any part Afro-Cuban, as I had initially thought.

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  58. @Hail

    Batista was a mestizo
     
    From Wiki:

    [Fulgencio Batista] was of mixed Spanish, African, and indigenous Caribbean descent with a part-Chinese father.[13][14] [....]

    Both Batista's parents are believed to have been of mixed race and one may have had indigenous Caribbean blood.[15] Batista himself was initially educated at a public school in Banes, later attending night classes at an American Quaker school....
     
    Fulgencio Batista's grandson Raoul Cantero became a Justice of the Florida Supreme Court. He hardly displays a trace of his grandparent's multi-racial origins.

    His grandmother, Mrs. Batista, Elisa, looks likely full-European to me.
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  59. I guess that brand-recognition is big with blacks (and maybe “hispanics” too). Niche markets, Indie music and concerns over “authenticity” are provinces of white hipsters.

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