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“The push for gender equality “created divides that I didn’t anticipate,” said Joelle Emerson, next to the screen at a meeting in San Francisco. Her company, Paradigm, designs diversity strategies.” Credit Jason Henry for The New York Times

Because it’s a living?

Because I don’t understand how computers work?

Because I like complaining more than constructing?

Up through Obama’s 2012 re-election fundraising, Silicon Valley and Hollywood were largely immune from the diversity shakedown racket. After all, they were Good.

But during Obama’s second term, the Who We Are folks turned their sights on extracting diversity rents from California’s mega-industries: there’s not that much money left in red states, so blue state cannibalism was inevitable at some point.

From the New York Times:

But those who privately thought things had gone too far were given a voice by James Damore, 28, a soft-spoken Google engineer. Mr. Damore, frustrated after another diversity training, wrote a memo that he posted to an internal Google message board. In it, he argued that maybe women were not equally represented in tech because they were biologically less capable of engineering. Google fired him last month.

After months of apologizing by Silicon Valley for bad behavior, here was a young man whom some in tech’s leadership could potentially get behind.

Paul Graham, who founded an influential start-up incubator, Y Combinator, posted two articles about how the science behind Mr. Damore’s memo was accurate. Another start-up investor, John Durant, wrote that “Charles Darwin himself would be fired from Google for his views on the sexes.”

And the investor Peter Thiel’s business partner, Eric Weinstein, tweeted, “Dear @Google, Stop teaching my girl that her path to financial freedom lies not in coding but in complaining to HR.”

Of course, the existence of dissent just proves how Silicon Valley needs ever more struggle sessions led by professional struggle session leaders. Plus, Silicon Valley will need meta-struggle sessions leaders to lead the struggle session leaders. And so forth and so on.

 
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  1. Yan Shen says:

    As someone who works in tech in the Bay Area, albeit not as a programmer, I’ve experienced first hand the ideological echo chamber that is Silicon Valley. Conservative points of view are routinely demonized and not given a platform and those brave enough to defend such views risk being ostracized or worse.

    The somewhat good news is that the diversity initiatives and anti-bias workshops are mostly more of an annoyance rather than things that have actually hurt the top companies from a productivity and bottom line perspective. Despite all of the outrage over the lack of diversity, Silicon Valley hasn’t been able to significantly increase the percentage of blacks, Hispanics, and women in tech roles beyond what they’ve traditionally been at.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2012/11/29/asian-workers-now-dominate-silicon-valley-tech-jobs/

    What has happened though is that the % of Asian Americans, primarily East and South Asians, has steadily increased in tech roles in the Bay Area to the point that they’re actually the majority overall. A little reported fact in all of the diversity brouhaha is that whites are actually also under-represented in tech, although obviously not to the extent that blacks and Hispanics are.

    Asian-Americans make up half of the Bay Area’s technology workforce, and their double-digit employment gains came from jobs lost among white tech workers, according to an analysis by this newspaper of Census Bureau data released Thursday.

    The dramatic shift in the changing composition of the high-tech workforce represents a new generation of homegrown and imported workers drilled in science, technology, engineering and math studies. But the shift in workplace demographics — at least among tech companies — fails to reflect the gains of California’s Hispanic and Latino population, which lost ground in tech jobs along with African-Americans.

    “It’s the new world — a world in which whites are not the majority,” said Jan English-Lueck, associate dean of the college of social sciences at San Jose State University, who is also co-founder of the Silicon Valley Cultures Project. “Other people are being displaced.”

    This seems to make sense to me. I’ve always observed that whenever the work required increases in degree of quantitative and technical rigor, the over-representation of Asian Americans increases as well! For instance, I remarked in an earlier thread that the whitest parts of most tech companies in the Bay Area are in departments like marketing, sales, product, design, or the likes. Even the illustrious writer of this blog, Mr. Steve Sailer, worked in marketing for a number of years after getting an MBA from Rice, IIRC.

    So the bottom line is that Silicon Valley seems to be virtue signalling one thing, but in actuality doing something else, namely slowly increasing the percentage of Asian Americans in their technical workforce.

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    • Troll: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Yan Shen
    Sorry, but ran out of time to edit the previous post. Mr. Sailer went to undergrad at Rice and got his MBA in marketing from UCLA. :)
    , @AM

    So the bottom line is that Silicon Valley seems to be virtue signalling one thing, but in actuality doing something else, namely slowly increasing the percentage of Asian Americans in their technical workforce.
     
    As an American with relatives around since 1600, I am absolutely thrilled that my ancestors could work hard, die young, and tame the wilderness and create a functional republic with many different subcultures towards ultimate achievement of having your relatives colonize the West Coast and get good jobs in corporations created by other Americans.

    Imagine that I'm the one who gets to live to see it. Lucky me!

    Plus, Asians are known for really rocking the boat and bringing creative problem solving to the fore. I'm sure they'll be changing Silicon Valley's authoritarian culture any day now.

    So it's all great! Thank for the update. I am inspired and hopeful.
    , @Thomm
    You are right, of course.

    But keep in mind that race nationalists (of any race) have very left-wing economic views. So race nationalists are not the 'right' in any event.

    Everything is left-wing except for ideologies where small government/free-markets are the central premise.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I’ve always observed that whenever the work required increases in degree of quantitative and technical rigor, the over-representation of Asian Americans increases as well!
     
    Thank you very much, Mr. Roboto, for doing the jobs that nobody wants to —

    Yan Shen, I want to thank you, thank you !!!

    https://youtu.be/uc6f_2nPSX8?t=44s
    , @Daniel Chieh
    There's this thing called "theory of mind."

    Perhaps you should read up on it.
    , @Colleen Pater
    well let a steamfitter tell you how this ends. some useless mouths get approached by jews and asked if they need a lawyer to get paid. next thing you know you have spent 50 million on lawyers and lost and are under court order to hire minorities and pay back wages and damages to every minority who ever worked for you or applied for a job or claim they tried to apply but were somehow oppressed from actually applying, you have to pay them ALL back wages plus interest overtime and vacation equal to your white workers average.No it doesn't matter that the blacks came in late and took off mondays and that why they earned less,or they got fired for stealing, or they cant add, in fact lets add contempt of court for bringing that up. THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS THE OUTCOME WAS DISPARATE AND YOU HAVE DEEP POCKETS. But since you mentioned theses things heres what we are going to do you are to hire social workers and tutors and outreach and anything else the (((special master))) the (((judge))) s going to appoint to manage your compliance feels is needed and they will need a couple of floors of office space and a budget that the court will approve and you will pay.
    Ten years later you think youre about to get out from under this and go to see the judge. Guess what they did another census and it turns out there's now 4% more blacks 3% more hispanics and 5% more gays and & % more women per capita in your area which means you've been in contempt of court. Not only will you have to once again pay everyone back wages, continue paying for the special master and his staff and a big fine to remind you whos boss, but now the special master will do your hiring and they have some great ideas how to reach out to the comunity to get qualified minorities, you dont have a problem with that do you didnt think so.
    So yuppies thats what us angry racist blue collar guys have been going through for 50 years enjoy, maybe in 50 years you'll grow a pair
    , @Yak-15
    I have seen the numerous posts you have made on the subject of Asians in tech. I work in a similar quantitative field where rewards for excellence and merit are limitless. Some of the smartest people in the world work in firms like mine and the cohorts of employees include many phd level quant types.

    While there is a strong presence of Asians in my business field, they typically do not reside in the highest positions and roles. In fact, of all the senior partners I have interviewed with, met or worked for, I believe I have met one Asian (South) guy who is in a chief role.

    Given the incredibly high test scores of the Asians, it's quite odd that they are not dominating my field. The Asians I have worked with have been extraordinarily brilliant - ones given million dollar scholarships by the Singaporean government to gain Phds but who choose my career area instead. There are few problems that they cannot solve, but there is something lacking, some quality that holds them back from the highest positions.
    , @unpc downunder
    Another factor. In places where property prices are very high, Whites tend to move out and Asians move in. This isn't just occurring in Silicon Valley. It's happening in every crowded, expensive part of the Anglosphere.

    Whites hate having to spend all their money on property, when they could be spending on sports, hobbies, travel, pets, etc. In contrast, most Asians don't seem to mind that much.
    , @Autochthon
    How’d uou do on your SAT, Yang Chin? Was it after analogies and vocabulary were removed or enstupedated?

    Hispanic people speak Spanish. That’s it; that’s thw alpha and omega of matters. Some are Negroes, others Caucasians, others Amerindians, and still others mestizos, mulattoes, quadroons, and other sorts of half-breeds.

    Stop writing stupid shit like:


    A little reported fact in all of the diversity brouhaha is that whites are actually also under-represented in tech, although obviously not to the extent that blacks and Hispanics are.
     
    It’d be news to this white, Hispanic guy that he is “under-represented” in technology (whatever that even means).

    And it is “little known” to exactly no one that ant-people have overrun Silly Valley by working for nothing in exchange for green cards.

    , @Moses
    I, for one, welcome our new Asian quant overlords.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    After thousands of years of not going anywhere, you guys sure seem eager to take what European Man created and call it your own.

    Hey, dude, did you fly over here on a Chinese jet? No, it was an aircraft invented and built by White Men. Now your true home country has conned Boeing into giving them yet more White Man technology in exchange for the "privilege" of having your slave, communist cousins build jets in China.

    Such is the story of American-Chinese transactions in our time.

    My great, great grandfather was the captain of a clipper ship, yet another White Man invention, which he sailed between San Francisco and China. I have some of your ancestors' woodwork in my living room. It's worth some money now. He brought it over.

    I am named after him.

    He also brought over some of your ancestors. Their descendants sell Chinese food in Chinatown, San Francisco.

    As you quietly take what our people invented (as you gradually boil the round-eyed frogs) a simple "thank you" might be in order.

    , @Pat Boyle
    The history of the earth (condensed version). Small groups walked out of Africa. The ones who walked West to Europe became Caucasians. Those who walked East became Orientals. The Westerners became the Greeks and Romans. The Easterners became the Chinese and the Japanese. Those who never left (Africans) never developed civilization.

    The Neolithic Revolution started in the West in the Fertile Crescent. But by the birth of Christ the East was slightly ahead. Han China crashed about the same time Rome fell but recovered faster. For most of history China was the most advanced nation on the planet. That changed about the beginning of the fifteenth century. The West (Europe and its colonies) surged forward. But the Industrial and Scientific revolutions which had begun in the West, finally came to the East.

    Lynn and Vanhaten think a nation's wealth and development is a simple function of it's populace's IQ. If that is true then China should again become the dominant nation on earth. But machine intelligence is about to dominate the globe - not Oriental intelligence.

    What do you suppose the robots will think of Africans?
    , @mobi

    I’ve always observed that whenever the work required increases in degree of quantitative and technical rigor, the over-representation of Asian Americans increases as well!
     
    Careful - that's a passable definition of a robot!

    I remarked in an earlier thread that the whitest parts of most tech companies in the Bay Area are in departments like marketing, sales, product, design, or the likes.
     
    You forgot to include basically all the founders.

    In fairness, you're East Asian, so you probably forgot to put it in because no one instructed you exactly how to put it in.

    All of this kinda sorta came to a head when Japanese leaders basically had enough of the constant complaints from their American counterparts and politely pointed out that maybe Americans had lost the ability to produce and instead grew fond of whining.
     
    Around the time the Japanese had run out of white-man stuff to copy (with great technical rigor and discipline!). Co-incidentally, they have since gone on to conquer the world in uniquely East Asian ways!
    , @MCMI
    I was permanently banned from ArsTechnica for posting a comment to one of their regular "Silicon Valley diversity" articles with similar observations. Also have worked in the valley. Most Americans would be shocked to see the tens of thousands of Asians who are employed at these companies, and to learn that most whites at these companies are in non-tech positions like marketing. Just pointing this out in a comment was enough to be banned by ArsTechnica from their forums.
    , @Frau Katze
    I'm retired now but I've noticed a surplus of Far East Asians in STEM.

    I've worked with many over the years with no problem. As to subcontinentals, they don't seem overrepresented (at least in Canada). They seem to have about the same ability as Euro descendants.

    I understand there is a small but significant (about 5 points) in math-related IQ, of Far East Asians over Euros.

    It's certainly not enough for a takeover, but yes, they're over represented.

    But, hey, compared to Europe, with Muslim North Africans burning cars nightly and creating no-go zones I think Vancouver is overall better off.

    There are a few problems just because of the sheer numbers. Plus it's not clear for some of them exactly why they're buying real estate in Vancouver. In some cases, the houses are boarded up. I assume the buyers are still in China but see Canada a place to go if things go bad.

    I've also noticed a big uptick in intermarriages.
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  2. Yan Shen says:

    Of course, even progressives are slowly starting to catch on to what’s actually going on! For instance in this clip from 2 years ago, Cenk of the Young Turks actually points out that what’s really going on isn’t the standard narrative that was being reported by the media. In actuality, whites were also under-represented relative to their overall population percentage. What was really going on was that Asian Americans were so over-represented relative to their population percentage that not only were they causing under-representation among blacks and Hispanics, they were causing under-representation among whites as well!

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    "Facebook has an Unbelievable Lack of Diversity"

    Which is exactly why they are out in front making the biggest noise about the benefits of diversity.
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  3. Yan Shen says:
    @Yan Shen
    As someone who works in tech in the Bay Area, albeit not as a programmer, I've experienced first hand the ideological echo chamber that is Silicon Valley. Conservative points of view are routinely demonized and not given a platform and those brave enough to defend such views risk being ostracized or worse.

    The somewhat good news is that the diversity initiatives and anti-bias workshops are mostly more of an annoyance rather than things that have actually hurt the top companies from a productivity and bottom line perspective. Despite all of the outrage over the lack of diversity, Silicon Valley hasn't been able to significantly increase the percentage of blacks, Hispanics, and women in tech roles beyond what they've traditionally been at.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2012/11/29/asian-workers-now-dominate-silicon-valley-tech-jobs/

    What has happened though is that the % of Asian Americans, primarily East and South Asians, has steadily increased in tech roles in the Bay Area to the point that they're actually the majority overall. A little reported fact in all of the diversity brouhaha is that whites are actually also under-represented in tech, although obviously not to the extent that blacks and Hispanics are.


    Asian-Americans make up half of the Bay Area’s technology workforce, and their double-digit employment gains came from jobs lost among white tech workers, according to an analysis by this newspaper of Census Bureau data released Thursday.

    The dramatic shift in the changing composition of the high-tech workforce represents a new generation of homegrown and imported workers drilled in science, technology, engineering and math studies. But the shift in workplace demographics — at least among tech companies — fails to reflect the gains of California’s Hispanic and Latino population, which lost ground in tech jobs along with African-Americans.

    “It’s the new world — a world in which whites are not the majority,” said Jan English-Lueck, associate dean of the college of social sciences at San Jose State University, who is also co-founder of the Silicon Valley Cultures Project. “Other people are being displaced.”
     

    This seems to make sense to me. I've always observed that whenever the work required increases in degree of quantitative and technical rigor, the over-representation of Asian Americans increases as well! For instance, I remarked in an earlier thread that the whitest parts of most tech companies in the Bay Area are in departments like marketing, sales, product, design, or the likes. Even the illustrious writer of this blog, Mr. Steve Sailer, worked in marketing for a number of years after getting an MBA from Rice, IIRC.

    So the bottom line is that Silicon Valley seems to be virtue signalling one thing, but in actuality doing something else, namely slowly increasing the percentage of Asian Americans in their technical workforce.

    Sorry, but ran out of time to edit the previous post. Mr. Sailer went to undergrad at Rice and got his MBA in marketing from UCLA. :)

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  4. https://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/09/30/wall-streets-young-bankers-are-still-mostly-white-and-male/

    Demographics of Wall Street entry-level (first-year) bankers

    77.5% are men
    22.5% are women

    65% are White
    29% are Asian
    6% are Black or Hispanic

    Demographics of Silicon Valley tech workers

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2012/11/29/asian-workers-now-dominate-silicon-valley-tech-jobs/

    79% are men
    21% are women

    41% are White
    50% are Asian
    4% are Hispanic
    2% are Black
    3% are “Other”

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    • Replies: @Yan Shen
    Makes sense. Asian Americans skew towards tech and away from finance, but even in investment banking they're still over-represented, at least at the lower analyst levels where the work is more "technical" in nature. As you climb up the i-banking hierarchy, I suspect that interpersonal skills and the ability to network and schmooze become increasingly more important and perhaps predominantly so.

    This is probably why East Asians don't climb up the corporate ladders of the finance and business world nearly as well as South Asians do in this country. However, they most likely contribute more to actual value creation relative to South Asians in America.

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    CIA Officer and Unz columnist Phillip Giraldi recently wrote an interesting article about how Jewish-
    American neoconservatives are driving US wars in the Middle East. He mentioned that Jewish groups and individuals control US politicians, the media, and the entertainmen industry.

    any organization that aspires to be heard on foreign policy knows that to touch the live wire of Israel and American Jews guarantees a quick trip to obscurity. Jewish groups and deep pocket individual donors not only control the politicians, they own and run the media and entertainment industries, meaning that no one will hear about or from the offending party ever again. They are particularly sensitive on the issue of so-called “dual loyalty,” particularly as the expression itself is a bit of a sham since it is pretty clear that some of them only have real loyalty to Israel.
     
    This article was retweeted by CIA spy Valerie Plame, who became extremely famous back during the Bush years.

    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/910923865286725632

    Plame got massive criticism and backtracked.

    Interestingly, the media has hardly any mention of this extremely significant news story.

    One of the country's most prominent CIA officers (and also a very famous media-savy individual) made a comment about who's driving the multi-trillion dollar US wars overseas...... and the media responded with general silence. On the other hand, the Trump-NFL "controversy" is being followed very closely.

    Ron Unz had a comment on this.

    Ron Unz: Offhand I’d say that Valerie Plame is probably about the most famous undercover CIA agent in American history, and during the 2000s her name was regularly on the the front pages. Even this past year, I’ve seen her occasionally mentioned in my morning NYT/WSJ. And we have someone of such reasonable prominence sending out an utterly explosive Tweet with the headline “America’s Jews Are Driving America’s Wars,” then backtracking an hour or two later under massive pressure and apologizing. That certainly seems like a pretty major story.

    Yet the coverage was almost entirely confined to second- or mostly third-rank media outlets, with virtually no significant journalists or foreign policy figures seeming to provide any critical quotes and almost all the shrill attacks I saw coming from people whom I’d never heard of. The only prominent public critics I noticed were Alan Dershowitz and Marc Levin, both especially fanatic Jewish Neocons. And not a single word got into the NYT, the WSJ, or any other top-tier mainstream news outlet.
     
    , @Peripatetic commenter
    I think the major difference between those two is the availability of cheap bodies from India and China.
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  5. “Why Are You Passionate About Working on Diversity and Inclusion?”

    In logic, that’s known as a “smuggled premise”.

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    • Replies: @Eonic
    I think it's a "leading question" as in "When did you stop beating your wife ?"
    , @Forbes
    Aren't these 'diversity and inclusion' jobs akin to affirmative action for white women? I.e. jobs for which there are no apparent qualifications or standards. It's the natural, next progression from the shake-down artists who conduct 'sensitivity' training seminars.

    These 'arrangements' are modeled on the scam of buying a seal of approval from Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition, the result of a ransom payment after a hold-up, companies now engage in indoctrination and re-education sessions with consultants--re-named training and professional development.
    , @MarcB.
    It's the modern touchy, fee-lie SJW equivalent of, "Have you stopped beating your wife?".
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  6. Bob Sykes says:

    If you are an intelligent, ambitious young white male, there is no reason you should go to college, no college, no discipline (even STEM). They hate you and will try to destroy you. You can make a comfortable living as a machinist or electrician, and you will meet sane, non-college, women.

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    I agree with the general sentiment of your post. The problem is for those of us lacking in manual dexterity. You would not want to live in a house I wired!
    , @L Woods
    I see this sort of advice dispensed in right-leaning spheres everywhere. I suspect the dispensers have very seldom followed their own advice.
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  7. Yan Shen says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    https://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/09/30/wall-streets-young-bankers-are-still-mostly-white-and-male/

    Demographics of Wall Street entry-level (first-year) bankers

    77.5% are men
    22.5% are women

    65% are White
    29% are Asian
    6% are Black or Hispanic

    Demographics of Silicon Valley tech workers

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2012/11/29/asian-workers-now-dominate-silicon-valley-tech-jobs/

    79% are men
    21% are women

    41% are White
    50% are Asian
    4% are Hispanic
    2% are Black
    3% are "Other"

    Makes sense. Asian Americans skew towards tech and away from finance, but even in investment banking they’re still over-represented, at least at the lower analyst levels where the work is more “technical” in nature. As you climb up the i-banking hierarchy, I suspect that interpersonal skills and the ability to network and schmooze become increasingly more important and perhaps predominantly so.

    This is probably why East Asians don’t climb up the corporate ladders of the finance and business world nearly as well as South Asians do in this country. However, they most likely contribute more to actual value creation relative to South Asians in America.

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    In Silicon Valley, I'd bet that South Asians outnumber East Asians by 3:1. In Wall Street, East Asians outnumber South Asians by maybe 2:1.

    The reason is because Silicon Valley is heavily dependent on the H-1b visa workers, who are heavily Indian subcontinental. Wall Street mostly recruits from the Ivy League universities, which have more East Asians than South Asians at the BA level (the groups are about equal at the MBA level). South Asians are more likely to climb the corporate ladder both in Silicon Valley and Wall Street.

    South Asians are more English-fluent and extroverted than East Asians. So they're better talkers, more socially aggressive, and more into schmoozing. South Asians aren't so good looking as a race though, so that limits their opportunities to some extent.
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  8. Jason Liu says:

    One of the whitest phrases you’ll hear in the corporate world

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    • Replies: @Bernardista
    Omar was passionate about the woman he wanted to share a loaf of bread and a jug of wine with for eternity in the wilderness, but now "Passionate about.....[insert mundane garbage here"] seems to be boilerplate for any kind of resume or corporate mission statement.
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  9. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/09/30/wall-streets-young-bankers-are-still-mostly-white-and-male/

    Demographics of Wall Street entry-level (first-year) bankers

    77.5% are men
    22.5% are women

    65% are White
    29% are Asian
    6% are Black or Hispanic

    Demographics of Silicon Valley tech workers

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2012/11/29/asian-workers-now-dominate-silicon-valley-tech-jobs/

    79% are men
    21% are women

    41% are White
    50% are Asian
    4% are Hispanic
    2% are Black
    3% are "Other"

    CIA Officer and Unz columnist Phillip Giraldi recently wrote an interesting article about how Jewish-
    American neoconservatives are driving US wars in the Middle East. He mentioned that Jewish groups and individuals control US politicians, the media, and the entertainmen industry.

    any organization that aspires to be heard on foreign policy knows that to touch the live wire of Israel and American Jews guarantees a quick trip to obscurity. Jewish groups and deep pocket individual donors not only control the politicians, they own and run the media and entertainment industries, meaning that no one will hear about or from the offending party ever again. They are particularly sensitive on the issue of so-called “dual loyalty,” particularly as the expression itself is a bit of a sham since it is pretty clear that some of them only have real loyalty to Israel.

    This article was retweeted by CIA spy Valerie Plame, who became extremely famous back during the Bush years.

    Plame got massive criticism and backtracked.

    Interestingly, the media has hardly any mention of this extremely significant news story.

    One of the country’s most prominent CIA officers (and also a very famous media-savy individual) made a comment about who’s driving the multi-trillion dollar US wars overseas…… and the media responded with general silence. On the other hand, the Trump-NFL “controversy” is being followed very closely.

    Ron Unz had a comment on this.

    Ron Unz: Offhand I’d say that Valerie Plame is probably about the most famous undercover CIA agent in American history, and during the 2000s her name was regularly on the the front pages. Even this past year, I’ve seen her occasionally mentioned in my morning NYT/WSJ. And we have someone of such reasonable prominence sending out an utterly explosive Tweet with the headline “America’s Jews Are Driving America’s Wars,” then backtracking an hour or two later under massive pressure and apologizing. That certainly seems like a pretty major story.

    Yet the coverage was almost entirely confined to second- or mostly third-rank media outlets, with virtually no significant journalists or foreign policy figures seeming to provide any critical quotes and almost all the shrill attacks I saw coming from people whom I’d never heard of. The only prominent public critics I noticed were Alan Dershowitz and Marc Levin, both especially fanatic Jewish Neocons. And not a single word got into the NYT, the WSJ, or any other top-tier mainstream news outlet.

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    Mark Levin spent a few minutes of his Friday show on this and took a few swipes at Giraldi for having the temerity to question the motives of Israel, which he often brands as our best and only ally in the region.
    , @Kgaard
    Glenn Reynolds' hench-bloggers at Instapundit were all over the Plame story. Reynolds has let a couple of Neocon fanatics guest-blog for him and they're pretty insufferable.
    , @Hanoi Paris Hilton
    I certainly wouldn't take our host, Mr. Unz's, comments on how our "most famous undercover agent's" whacking the Joooos by promoting Giraldi's hit piece, and how her sorry-assed climb down made into instaneously into the Memory Hole, as necessarily agreeing in the slightest with the content of Giraldi's noxious screed. Au contraire, I would think.... Speaking as somebody who finds Giraldis's primary Jooooish Neocon perp nearly as unsavory as Giraldi himself
    , @Autochthon
    Martha MacCallum spent a good five minutes clucking her tongue about it with Alan Dershowitz during her show on Fox. That’s somewhat mainstream. Not one mention, of course, of the underlying substance of Giraldi’s arguments: just hysteria and preening about how someone, somewhere, said something negative about Jews, and reactions of the kind you would expect towards the torture and beheading of a litter of kittens or a group of toddlers.
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  10. Classic Reign of Terror stuff. Won’t be long before you see things like $PLC turning on ACLU for supporting Nazis and BLM turning on $PLC for not disgorging some of their $300m stash to support the Struggle.

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  11. When the city Chinese struggle people of 1966 & 1967 got out of hand, Mao simply sent them to far-off Chinese rural rice patties in 1968, where they were directed to struggle in moist ditches, up to their armpits. These struggle people were allowed to slowly return to Chinese cities after 1976, and that was the year in which Mao went tits up. What will we do to our American struggle people when they finally get out of hand?

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  12. @JohnnyWalker123
    CIA Officer and Unz columnist Phillip Giraldi recently wrote an interesting article about how Jewish-
    American neoconservatives are driving US wars in the Middle East. He mentioned that Jewish groups and individuals control US politicians, the media, and the entertainmen industry.

    any organization that aspires to be heard on foreign policy knows that to touch the live wire of Israel and American Jews guarantees a quick trip to obscurity. Jewish groups and deep pocket individual donors not only control the politicians, they own and run the media and entertainment industries, meaning that no one will hear about or from the offending party ever again. They are particularly sensitive on the issue of so-called “dual loyalty,” particularly as the expression itself is a bit of a sham since it is pretty clear that some of them only have real loyalty to Israel.
     
    This article was retweeted by CIA spy Valerie Plame, who became extremely famous back during the Bush years.

    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/910923865286725632

    Plame got massive criticism and backtracked.

    Interestingly, the media has hardly any mention of this extremely significant news story.

    One of the country's most prominent CIA officers (and also a very famous media-savy individual) made a comment about who's driving the multi-trillion dollar US wars overseas...... and the media responded with general silence. On the other hand, the Trump-NFL "controversy" is being followed very closely.

    Ron Unz had a comment on this.

    Ron Unz: Offhand I’d say that Valerie Plame is probably about the most famous undercover CIA agent in American history, and during the 2000s her name was regularly on the the front pages. Even this past year, I’ve seen her occasionally mentioned in my morning NYT/WSJ. And we have someone of such reasonable prominence sending out an utterly explosive Tweet with the headline “America’s Jews Are Driving America’s Wars,” then backtracking an hour or two later under massive pressure and apologizing. That certainly seems like a pretty major story.

    Yet the coverage was almost entirely confined to second- or mostly third-rank media outlets, with virtually no significant journalists or foreign policy figures seeming to provide any critical quotes and almost all the shrill attacks I saw coming from people whom I’d never heard of. The only prominent public critics I noticed were Alan Dershowitz and Marc Levin, both especially fanatic Jewish Neocons. And not a single word got into the NYT, the WSJ, or any other top-tier mainstream news outlet.
     

    Mark Levin spent a few minutes of his Friday show on this and took a few swipes at Giraldi for having the temerity to question the motives of Israel, which he often brands as our best and only ally in the region.

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    "...our best and only ally in the region". probably true. by the by, mark levin. i like. smart guy. constitutionalist.
    , @Lurker

    which he often brands as our best and only ally in the region.
     
    Did he list any of the vital contributions Israel has made as an ally?
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  13. AM says:
    @Yan Shen
    As someone who works in tech in the Bay Area, albeit not as a programmer, I've experienced first hand the ideological echo chamber that is Silicon Valley. Conservative points of view are routinely demonized and not given a platform and those brave enough to defend such views risk being ostracized or worse.

    The somewhat good news is that the diversity initiatives and anti-bias workshops are mostly more of an annoyance rather than things that have actually hurt the top companies from a productivity and bottom line perspective. Despite all of the outrage over the lack of diversity, Silicon Valley hasn't been able to significantly increase the percentage of blacks, Hispanics, and women in tech roles beyond what they've traditionally been at.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2012/11/29/asian-workers-now-dominate-silicon-valley-tech-jobs/

    What has happened though is that the % of Asian Americans, primarily East and South Asians, has steadily increased in tech roles in the Bay Area to the point that they're actually the majority overall. A little reported fact in all of the diversity brouhaha is that whites are actually also under-represented in tech, although obviously not to the extent that blacks and Hispanics are.


    Asian-Americans make up half of the Bay Area’s technology workforce, and their double-digit employment gains came from jobs lost among white tech workers, according to an analysis by this newspaper of Census Bureau data released Thursday.

    The dramatic shift in the changing composition of the high-tech workforce represents a new generation of homegrown and imported workers drilled in science, technology, engineering and math studies. But the shift in workplace demographics — at least among tech companies — fails to reflect the gains of California’s Hispanic and Latino population, which lost ground in tech jobs along with African-Americans.

    “It’s the new world — a world in which whites are not the majority,” said Jan English-Lueck, associate dean of the college of social sciences at San Jose State University, who is also co-founder of the Silicon Valley Cultures Project. “Other people are being displaced.”
     

    This seems to make sense to me. I've always observed that whenever the work required increases in degree of quantitative and technical rigor, the over-representation of Asian Americans increases as well! For instance, I remarked in an earlier thread that the whitest parts of most tech companies in the Bay Area are in departments like marketing, sales, product, design, or the likes. Even the illustrious writer of this blog, Mr. Steve Sailer, worked in marketing for a number of years after getting an MBA from Rice, IIRC.

    So the bottom line is that Silicon Valley seems to be virtue signalling one thing, but in actuality doing something else, namely slowly increasing the percentage of Asian Americans in their technical workforce.

    So the bottom line is that Silicon Valley seems to be virtue signalling one thing, but in actuality doing something else, namely slowly increasing the percentage of Asian Americans in their technical workforce.

    As an American with relatives around since 1600, I am absolutely thrilled that my ancestors could work hard, die young, and tame the wilderness and create a functional republic with many different subcultures towards ultimate achievement of having your relatives colonize the West Coast and get good jobs in corporations created by other Americans.

    Imagine that I’m the one who gets to live to see it. Lucky me!

    Plus, Asians are known for really rocking the boat and bringing creative problem solving to the fore. I’m sure they’ll be changing Silicon Valley’s authoritarian culture any day now.

    So it’s all great! Thank for the update. I am inspired and hopeful.

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    You do know how to excite the bloodlust, don't you? But as a Catholic, I know I can rely on you to forswear and abjure despair. We will look back on this period knowing that we were traversing the valley of the shadow of death, with the Grim Reaper just an arms-length behind us, and then we climbed up the far side of that valley, and when we looked back, we marveled that we were not already dead.

    We are having children and rearing them. They are not.
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  14. Thomm says:
    @Yan Shen
    As someone who works in tech in the Bay Area, albeit not as a programmer, I've experienced first hand the ideological echo chamber that is Silicon Valley. Conservative points of view are routinely demonized and not given a platform and those brave enough to defend such views risk being ostracized or worse.

    The somewhat good news is that the diversity initiatives and anti-bias workshops are mostly more of an annoyance rather than things that have actually hurt the top companies from a productivity and bottom line perspective. Despite all of the outrage over the lack of diversity, Silicon Valley hasn't been able to significantly increase the percentage of blacks, Hispanics, and women in tech roles beyond what they've traditionally been at.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2012/11/29/asian-workers-now-dominate-silicon-valley-tech-jobs/

    What has happened though is that the % of Asian Americans, primarily East and South Asians, has steadily increased in tech roles in the Bay Area to the point that they're actually the majority overall. A little reported fact in all of the diversity brouhaha is that whites are actually also under-represented in tech, although obviously not to the extent that blacks and Hispanics are.


    Asian-Americans make up half of the Bay Area’s technology workforce, and their double-digit employment gains came from jobs lost among white tech workers, according to an analysis by this newspaper of Census Bureau data released Thursday.

    The dramatic shift in the changing composition of the high-tech workforce represents a new generation of homegrown and imported workers drilled in science, technology, engineering and math studies. But the shift in workplace demographics — at least among tech companies — fails to reflect the gains of California’s Hispanic and Latino population, which lost ground in tech jobs along with African-Americans.

    “It’s the new world — a world in which whites are not the majority,” said Jan English-Lueck, associate dean of the college of social sciences at San Jose State University, who is also co-founder of the Silicon Valley Cultures Project. “Other people are being displaced.”
     

    This seems to make sense to me. I've always observed that whenever the work required increases in degree of quantitative and technical rigor, the over-representation of Asian Americans increases as well! For instance, I remarked in an earlier thread that the whitest parts of most tech companies in the Bay Area are in departments like marketing, sales, product, design, or the likes. Even the illustrious writer of this blog, Mr. Steve Sailer, worked in marketing for a number of years after getting an MBA from Rice, IIRC.

    So the bottom line is that Silicon Valley seems to be virtue signalling one thing, but in actuality doing something else, namely slowly increasing the percentage of Asian Americans in their technical workforce.

    You are right, of course.

    But keep in mind that race nationalists (of any race) have very left-wing economic views. So race nationalists are not the ‘right’ in any event.

    Everything is left-wing except for ideologies where small government/free-markets are the central premise.

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    Troll.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Everything is left-wing except for ideologies where small government/free-markets are the central premise.
     
    No, what you are describing is libertarianism, which is not really "right".

    So, according to you, Otto von Bismarck was a leftist?

    You are an historically ignorant idiot. But everyone here knows that already, you ridiculous clown.

    , @Bill
    The proto-libertarians and proto-socialists sat, together, on the left side of the Etats Generaux. There is nothing more left wing than an economic conservative.
    , @ben tillman

    But keep in mind that race nationalists (of any race) have very left-wing economic views. So race nationalists are not the ‘right’ in any event.

    Everything is left-wing except for ideologies where small government/free-markets are the central premise.
     
    "Free markets" is a bullshit term. It's worthless as a descriptor.

    What you're probably looking for is a term like "decentralized economic decisionmaking". And white "race nationalists" generally support both that and small government unreservedly.
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  15. @Yan Shen
    As someone who works in tech in the Bay Area, albeit not as a programmer, I've experienced first hand the ideological echo chamber that is Silicon Valley. Conservative points of view are routinely demonized and not given a platform and those brave enough to defend such views risk being ostracized or worse.

    The somewhat good news is that the diversity initiatives and anti-bias workshops are mostly more of an annoyance rather than things that have actually hurt the top companies from a productivity and bottom line perspective. Despite all of the outrage over the lack of diversity, Silicon Valley hasn't been able to significantly increase the percentage of blacks, Hispanics, and women in tech roles beyond what they've traditionally been at.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2012/11/29/asian-workers-now-dominate-silicon-valley-tech-jobs/

    What has happened though is that the % of Asian Americans, primarily East and South Asians, has steadily increased in tech roles in the Bay Area to the point that they're actually the majority overall. A little reported fact in all of the diversity brouhaha is that whites are actually also under-represented in tech, although obviously not to the extent that blacks and Hispanics are.


    Asian-Americans make up half of the Bay Area’s technology workforce, and their double-digit employment gains came from jobs lost among white tech workers, according to an analysis by this newspaper of Census Bureau data released Thursday.

    The dramatic shift in the changing composition of the high-tech workforce represents a new generation of homegrown and imported workers drilled in science, technology, engineering and math studies. But the shift in workplace demographics — at least among tech companies — fails to reflect the gains of California’s Hispanic and Latino population, which lost ground in tech jobs along with African-Americans.

    “It’s the new world — a world in which whites are not the majority,” said Jan English-Lueck, associate dean of the college of social sciences at San Jose State University, who is also co-founder of the Silicon Valley Cultures Project. “Other people are being displaced.”
     

    This seems to make sense to me. I've always observed that whenever the work required increases in degree of quantitative and technical rigor, the over-representation of Asian Americans increases as well! For instance, I remarked in an earlier thread that the whitest parts of most tech companies in the Bay Area are in departments like marketing, sales, product, design, or the likes. Even the illustrious writer of this blog, Mr. Steve Sailer, worked in marketing for a number of years after getting an MBA from Rice, IIRC.

    So the bottom line is that Silicon Valley seems to be virtue signalling one thing, but in actuality doing something else, namely slowly increasing the percentage of Asian Americans in their technical workforce.

    I’ve always observed that whenever the work required increases in degree of quantitative and technical rigor, the over-representation of Asian Americans increases as well!

    Thank you very much, Mr. Roboto, for doing the jobs that nobody wants to —

    Yan Shen, I want to thank you, thank you !!!

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    No no, as all of the outrage over the lack of blacks and Hispanics in tech has proven, everyone wants a piece of that Silicon Valley pie, in particular those technical roles that supposedly would benefit tremendously from having more blacks, Hispanics, and women.

    In actuality, despite all of the public outrage and virtue signalling, tech hasn't been able to move the needle much in that direction. What's happened is that they've quietly moved in the opposite direction, i.e. the % of Asian Americans in tech roles in the Bay Area has increased over the past decade and a half to the point where they're actually the majority of those in such roles.

    As I stated above, all of this jives with my general observations of the Bay Area as well. The more technically rigorous the work, the greater the % of Asian Americans in those roles. The whitest areas of most tech companies are in departments like marketing, product, design, sales or the likes. In particular, sales seems to basically be just a gathering of your whitest fraternity and sorority brothers and sisters from back in the day in state school.

    I also think Steve himself is a good example of this sort of technical vs non-technical schism that I alluded to, i.e. worked in marketing for many years after getting an MBA from UCLA, which seems like a very stereotypical white American thing in the business world, and today is a blogger and is someone who clearly skews towards verbal and away from math, etc etc.

    , @Anonymous
    "Because Caucasians are just too damn tall"
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  16. Neoconned says:

    I work 3 jobs, all in the food service restaurant industry. 2 of these jobs are cooking at 2 different fast food establishments. I live in the Deep South, near New Orleans. Today it was 92 degrees F…..humidity was near 100 pc. We consider LA cold & Arizona simply warm.

    I woke up at 4am today and walked a mile to McD’s. I walk in the road this time of yr because the sidewalk has Cottonmouth “water moccasin” snakes and Copperheads that like to hide in the grass at the edge. Almost stepped on 4 or 5 just in the past month. These are species of pit vipers.

    I get to work right away at five. I change six 40pound towel buckets. Thats the 1st task. I burn my hands often from the scalding water. Then often spill it on my shoes.

    Next task is going to scrub the public toilets w bleach solution. This isnt so bad as i wear gloves & get to listen to oldies and classic rock on the satellite radio feed. Moderately relaxing. But still, scrubbing shit off the walls and penile, vaginal, and anal fluids and urine off the toilets is hardly fun much less noble.

    This must be done by 6am. At 6 i go and clean the parking lot. This is the nicest part of my entire day. Its much cooler in the morning. About 70-75F but still muggy. I still have to dodge cars, occasionally put up w drunk or mental case guests, and clean broken glass, cigarette butts, beer bottles, used diapers and tampons, condoms, and spilled food along with other random assorted trash.

    I then go lift the 25 lb doors of the dumpster and empty all this shit out.

    Next i go inside and assemble and break down all discarded boxes and trash. Trash goes in a trash compactor. I cart the boxes to the dumpster on a push cart thing. Back & forth its an eighth of a mile just doing that. Next comes the compactor. If there are cars in the drive thru u wait for them to pass. The customer is always right as my management says. Even if its 85f outside and you’re sweating like in a sauna.

    You wear hot black pants, even in high summer.

    I throw the boxes into the dumpster and then use the hydraulic lift to raise the compressed trash up. I then remove a ring and ease the baled trash into the dumpster.

    If the ring falls in the dumpster guess whos going in after it. If the trash bale falls early & spills everywhere guess who’s grabbing a broom/dustpan….

    Then bring the cart and compactor back in. Set the annoying door alarm & then double bag the compactor & spending 2-3 min monkeying it into the slots that it has to go into.

    Next i sweep AND mop this area.

    Now its 7am. From here to 930-950am i filter the fryers.

    That means lugging the greasy grease bins to the back, spraying them out and changing out the cleaning pad, magnesium coating, and unplugging all the holes fikled with grease and crumbs. Then lugging these bulky 50 lb containers BACK AND THEN you start filtering. Be careful, oil is expensive. I filter and change oil only as needed and must ask permission before changing each vat from manager on duty.

    When filtering, you often get dripping hot grease onto your hands and arms. Grease burns are common. Each vat must filter 5min minimum. Each vat must be immaculate to get signed off on. I cant begin to tell you what a bitch this is.

    After this i go to grill. My neurotic bipolar boss gives me literally 3-4 jobs to do @ once.

    Not only do i cook food and sweat like a pig in front of the 200 degree grill but i must maintain as clean a work station as possible. You are often asked to do stupid nitpick jobs the teenyboppers up front are too incompetent to do. This includes bringing up ice, changing trash, stocking the fries or the fry station, cleaning lobby, printing numerous “date & time” stickers to put on ingredient & food containers to meet health dept regulation, etc

    All this on top of cooking food REAL FAST so the line doesn’t get jammed up. Im usually off at 2.

    I eat lunch in the lobby. I often fall asleep sitting up watching tv in the lobby due to exhaustion. I leave & walk half an hr to my 2nd job at a pizza place. I work til eight when i go home. Thats my side job.

    I wash dishes out of boredom when orders slow.

    This the tranny delivery driver literally whines about doing because he/she doesn’t want to chip a nail or get grime or grease on their clothes.

    On weekdays my 3rd job is washing dishes at a college cafeteria.

    Thats a part time gig.

    You get the picture

    I’ll spare you the routine of that job but McD’s is preferable and i just told you what a hell that is. At the end of the day i walk a mile back home to the 80-90pc black slum i live in.

    They leave me alone because i threatened the drug dealers on my street when they threatened me and my family because they thought i was a policeman (lol) or an informer. Dont have many problems with them any more. Go to bed, rinse repeat.

    Now, the question I’m dying to ask: how the hell do i get in on this racket? Sitting in front of a PowerPoint and talking some scripted shit my boss wrote for me.

    Last year after taxes i think i cleared $8500-10k

    Im assuming these rentiers make in the range of $150-200k per yr….

    Ill work for a fifth to a quarter of what they make and work triple the hours and still triple what i make doing 3 lousy restaurant jobs…..

    Seriously i want in, I’d put these goldbrickers on the unemployment line within a week….

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    Excellent post.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    Great post. Thank you for writing it. Expanded this could make a whole Unz piece. It would make a whole Guardian piece with a bit of PC sanitising.
    , @Anonymous
    At first, I thought "oh God, another novella-length iSteve comment" but my interest never flagged. How did someone as intelligent as you end up in a situation like that? Very few food service workers can write well, much less use words like "rentier" properly.

    Someone here should offer you accommodations in a cleaner, safer area. Maybe I should, though I'm sort of afraid of strangers.

    , @Nico

    Now, the question I’m dying to ask: how the hell do i get in on this racket?
     
    You don't.
    , @Clyde
    I read your entire post.... many thanks!
    , @Deckin
    I'm sorry, but if you can use the word 'rentiers' intelligently in a sentence and you're still working at McDonald's or any place like that then either this story's a crock (and that was the give away), or there's something else you're not telling us.
    , @Erik L
    Difficult to get in on that specific racket, but with your ability to write clearly and describe the details of a work process there are many ways you could sit in an air conditioned office and make 6 figures (after a few years of experience)
    , @Anonymous
    "Last year after taxes i think i cleared $8500-10k

    What about the Earned Income Tax credit? Shouldn't you get money back from the government if you're not making much? (I'm certainly no expert on the EIT credit, so it could be that I'm misunderstanding something here.)
    , @AndrewR
    I'm sure everyone who reads your story has this question so I'll come right out and ask it: why on earth do you put up with that? How has your life led you to such an awful existence? Please give a more elaborate answer than "I need money." Pardon the curiosity but, based on the way you write, clearly you are very bright. I find the stories of bright people leading awful lives to be fascinating.
    , @Thea
    Thank you
    Write a book.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's how you break into the racket.

    1. Be a woman, gay, transgendered, or black. If you're a straight non-diverse male, it's still possible to break into the racket. You're just going to have to work a lot harder.
    2. Join some type of SJW organization that promotes the rights of womens, gays/trans, or blacks.
    3. Get into a full-time MBA or JD program at a prestigious university. A BA program is less optimal and should be considered a secondary option.
    4. During your studies, do a summer internship at a large company.
    5. Once you graduate from your degree program, get hired into a large company's leadership rotational program (these programs at management-track).
    6. Work long hours at your company, show up to lots of meetings, send lots of e-mails, act enthusiastic about the company, constantly discuss your projects to make yourself sound like a rising star, agree with your boss and compliment him/her a lot, dress well, smile a lot, stay away from "unpopular" coworkers, use lots of corporate jargon (synergy, streamline, deal space, innovative, cost-control, diversity, global economy, agile, lean, sustainability, etc), constantly reiterate corporate policy and goals, and (most important of all) speak fluently.
    7. During your spare time, get involved with some type of SJW organization that has a good relationship with your company.
    8. After a few years, apply to some type of diversity-related position (diversity officer, diversity consultant, etc) in your company or another large company. These positions are usually in HR or marketing, which means the hours are short, there's lots of traveling to conferences, and you're not really expected to accomplish much. Pay is usually 35-75K/yr at the entry level for most diversity-related positions. Once you get to a senior-level diversity position, pay is often in the 100-150K/yr range.
    9. To be successful in a diversity-related corporate position, make sure to attend lots of conferences, talk up your company's "commitment" to diversity to the public, occasionally express "concern" about your company's "atmosphere," and make sure to speak fluently.

    If you do all of the above, I guarantee you'll break into the racket.

    Within 5 years, you'll be in the racket. Within 10 years, you can be making 6 figures. You'll travel a lot, do lots of public speaking, and work 35-45 hrs/week.

    The tough part is getting into a prestigious MBA/JD program and then getting hired into a leadership rotation program. You need a high GPA, strong GMAT, very good work experience, strong extracurriculars, and a good "fit." If you're above the age of 30, it's hard to get onto this track (especially if you're a straight non-diverse male).
    , @Ragno
    I have spent time in the deep South although I left after my wife passed on, a couple of years before Katrina, and I know perfectly well that you're telling the truth. (If you encounter disbelief here, you have to remember that - between the govt and the media's version of events - there were and are no white casualties of Katrina. And insofar as the gender-curious Childless Weirdos who infest Silicon Valley, that disconnect alone probably renders you a racist and/or liar, or both. And if you try and explain the scarifying cancer-mortality rates for the area besides - nobody with any sense drinks the tap water down there - again, they look at you like it's some kind of Redneck Lifestyle Choice.)

    Shoot, you passed my truth-telling test w/ flying colors just by mentioning in passing your "tranny delivery driver". Who I have to assume is black (I've never been able to convince anyone I wasn't seeing things when I try to explain that third shift at any 24 hour business in south La means bizarrely-fearsome black trannies, most of whom are built like middle linebackers, manning all the convenience-store cash registers in town.)

    In lieu of offering you any advice that will make any immediate difference in your life, I can only promise I will pray for you. Maintaining your present schedule is only going to get you killed sooner or later. I probably don't need to tell you to apply for every civil service opening you possibly can, but... I guess I just did, huh? Fingers crossed for you, kid.

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  17. Hubbub says:

    Because I like complaining more than constructing?

    If all else fails, complain, complain, complain.

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    The squeaky wheel gets the baksheesh, for a while.
    Then the squeaky wheel gets replaced and another wheel begins to squeak.
    This is also known as hakuna matata or the great wheel of life.
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  18. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    ‘Bad Behavior’ is the new term, replacing the old ‘Politically Incorrect’. Wonder what will come next? I bet it will include ‘White’ and ‘Nazi’. But I repeat myself.

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    One local tech group organizer posted "behavior" rules for the meetup. They were all really speech rules.

    Meetup.com after the 2016 election notified users they were opening up for activist
    s to organize meetings free. Didn't bother getting blocked or unpersoned by the Cultural Revolution thought police.

    Will seek alternatives. Suggestions?
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  19. @Yan Shen
    As someone who works in tech in the Bay Area, albeit not as a programmer, I've experienced first hand the ideological echo chamber that is Silicon Valley. Conservative points of view are routinely demonized and not given a platform and those brave enough to defend such views risk being ostracized or worse.

    The somewhat good news is that the diversity initiatives and anti-bias workshops are mostly more of an annoyance rather than things that have actually hurt the top companies from a productivity and bottom line perspective. Despite all of the outrage over the lack of diversity, Silicon Valley hasn't been able to significantly increase the percentage of blacks, Hispanics, and women in tech roles beyond what they've traditionally been at.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2012/11/29/asian-workers-now-dominate-silicon-valley-tech-jobs/

    What has happened though is that the % of Asian Americans, primarily East and South Asians, has steadily increased in tech roles in the Bay Area to the point that they're actually the majority overall. A little reported fact in all of the diversity brouhaha is that whites are actually also under-represented in tech, although obviously not to the extent that blacks and Hispanics are.


    Asian-Americans make up half of the Bay Area’s technology workforce, and their double-digit employment gains came from jobs lost among white tech workers, according to an analysis by this newspaper of Census Bureau data released Thursday.

    The dramatic shift in the changing composition of the high-tech workforce represents a new generation of homegrown and imported workers drilled in science, technology, engineering and math studies. But the shift in workplace demographics — at least among tech companies — fails to reflect the gains of California’s Hispanic and Latino population, which lost ground in tech jobs along with African-Americans.

    “It’s the new world — a world in which whites are not the majority,” said Jan English-Lueck, associate dean of the college of social sciences at San Jose State University, who is also co-founder of the Silicon Valley Cultures Project. “Other people are being displaced.”
     

    This seems to make sense to me. I've always observed that whenever the work required increases in degree of quantitative and technical rigor, the over-representation of Asian Americans increases as well! For instance, I remarked in an earlier thread that the whitest parts of most tech companies in the Bay Area are in departments like marketing, sales, product, design, or the likes. Even the illustrious writer of this blog, Mr. Steve Sailer, worked in marketing for a number of years after getting an MBA from Rice, IIRC.

    So the bottom line is that Silicon Valley seems to be virtue signalling one thing, but in actuality doing something else, namely slowly increasing the percentage of Asian Americans in their technical workforce.

    There’s this thing called “theory of mind.”

    Perhaps you should read up on it.

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    Chinese theory of mind known also as solipsism. See here grassshopper for example number one:

    https://youtu.be/Queah3jAxeE

    (kidding)
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  20. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “Why Are You Passionate About Working on Diversity and Inclusion?”

    If by ‘working on’ you mean the same thing that liberals mean by ‘working on’ American Monuments, then it should be common sense why I am passionate about it.

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    "Working on"

    It's the permanent revolution. We're never really there, and there are no starting or ending points. It's going to go on forever, always.
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  21. Kgaard says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    CIA Officer and Unz columnist Phillip Giraldi recently wrote an interesting article about how Jewish-
    American neoconservatives are driving US wars in the Middle East. He mentioned that Jewish groups and individuals control US politicians, the media, and the entertainmen industry.

    any organization that aspires to be heard on foreign policy knows that to touch the live wire of Israel and American Jews guarantees a quick trip to obscurity. Jewish groups and deep pocket individual donors not only control the politicians, they own and run the media and entertainment industries, meaning that no one will hear about or from the offending party ever again. They are particularly sensitive on the issue of so-called “dual loyalty,” particularly as the expression itself is a bit of a sham since it is pretty clear that some of them only have real loyalty to Israel.
     
    This article was retweeted by CIA spy Valerie Plame, who became extremely famous back during the Bush years.

    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/910923865286725632

    Plame got massive criticism and backtracked.

    Interestingly, the media has hardly any mention of this extremely significant news story.

    One of the country's most prominent CIA officers (and also a very famous media-savy individual) made a comment about who's driving the multi-trillion dollar US wars overseas...... and the media responded with general silence. On the other hand, the Trump-NFL "controversy" is being followed very closely.

    Ron Unz had a comment on this.

    Ron Unz: Offhand I’d say that Valerie Plame is probably about the most famous undercover CIA agent in American history, and during the 2000s her name was regularly on the the front pages. Even this past year, I’ve seen her occasionally mentioned in my morning NYT/WSJ. And we have someone of such reasonable prominence sending out an utterly explosive Tweet with the headline “America’s Jews Are Driving America’s Wars,” then backtracking an hour or two later under massive pressure and apologizing. That certainly seems like a pretty major story.

    Yet the coverage was almost entirely confined to second- or mostly third-rank media outlets, with virtually no significant journalists or foreign policy figures seeming to provide any critical quotes and almost all the shrill attacks I saw coming from people whom I’d never heard of. The only prominent public critics I noticed were Alan Dershowitz and Marc Levin, both especially fanatic Jewish Neocons. And not a single word got into the NYT, the WSJ, or any other top-tier mainstream news outlet.
     

    Glenn Reynolds’ hench-bloggers at Instapundit were all over the Plame story. Reynolds has let a couple of Neocon fanatics guest-blog for him and they’re pretty insufferable.

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    Reynolds has let a couple of Neocon fanatics guest-blog for him and they’re pretty insufferable.

    They are mouthpieces for Glenn Reynolds' own opinions.
    , @Mokiki
    NeoCohens?
    , @Bill
    I remember Instapundit. So long ago.
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  22. “Now men’s rights advocates in Silicon Valley have galvanized.”

    Nellie Bowles could use a better dictionary — at least one that distinguishes transitive from intransitive verbs.

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  23. Kgaard says:

    I was shocked at the entire NYT story from which Steve has excerpted this quote. It came across my news feed today and I read it and was like, “Wait … it sounds like the NYT is completely giving in to Damore’s view on the biological differences between the sexes.” And in fact that’s exactly how the story reads. This was a real shift. Not sure why they did it. Some tactical reason? To acknowledge the position that there are biological differences between the sexes can’t possibly further the NYT’s cause of thoroughly undermining western civilization. So I’m at a loss.

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  24. Yan Shen says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I’ve always observed that whenever the work required increases in degree of quantitative and technical rigor, the over-representation of Asian Americans increases as well!
     
    Thank you very much, Mr. Roboto, for doing the jobs that nobody wants to —

    Yan Shen, I want to thank you, thank you !!!

    https://youtu.be/uc6f_2nPSX8?t=44s

    No no, as all of the outrage over the lack of blacks and Hispanics in tech has proven, everyone wants a piece of that Silicon Valley pie, in particular those technical roles that supposedly would benefit tremendously from having more blacks, Hispanics, and women.

    In actuality, despite all of the public outrage and virtue signalling, tech hasn’t been able to move the needle much in that direction. What’s happened is that they’ve quietly moved in the opposite direction, i.e. the % of Asian Americans in tech roles in the Bay Area has increased over the past decade and a half to the point where they’re actually the majority of those in such roles.

    As I stated above, all of this jives with my general observations of the Bay Area as well. The more technically rigorous the work, the greater the % of Asian Americans in those roles. The whitest areas of most tech companies are in departments like marketing, product, design, sales or the likes. In particular, sales seems to basically be just a gathering of your whitest fraternity and sorority brothers and sisters from back in the day in state school.

    I also think Steve himself is a good example of this sort of technical vs non-technical schism that I alluded to, i.e. worked in marketing for many years after getting an MBA from UCLA, which seems like a very stereotypical white American thing in the business world, and today is a blogger and is someone who clearly skews towards verbal and away from math, etc etc.

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    "I also think Steve himself is a good example of this sort of technical vs non-technical schism that I alluded to, i.e. worked in marketing for many years after getting an MBA from UCLA"


    yea like mao. you clowns went hook, line, sinker into stupid
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    No no, as all of the outrage over the lack of blacks and Hispanics in tech has proven, everyone wants a piece of that Silicon Valley pie, in particular those technical roles […]
     
    Seems to be an inaccurate take. The ‘outrage’ posturing over NAMs and women being ‘underrepresented’ in actual tech positions isn’t that the aggrieved really want to do that work; they simply want a piece of that sweet Valley money pie— and sadistic social control. Hence the diversity shakedown racket that Steve posted about.
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  25. In it, he argued that maybe women were not equally represented in tech because they were biologically less capable of engineering.

    So if Damore sues them for libel, can they get it dismissed for incompetence again?

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  26. Why Are You Passionate About Working on Diversity and Inclusion?

    Well, why wouldn’t you be? What are you, racist?

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    It's almost like an inverse "have you stopped beating your wife yet?"
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  27. Felix M says:

    Great answers to why you’re “passionate about working on diversity and inclusion”. (Because it’s a living? Because I don’t understand how computers work? Because I like complaining more than constructing?)

    And perhaps “Because I didn’t get in to Law School?”

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  28. Erik L says:

    The silicon valley ideal for money making (at least my version of it) hardly every happens in practice. A friend of mine stumbled into being a lawyer here, happened to work with some entrepreneurs who had some success early, one thing leads to another…eventual he cofounds a company making, admittedly real tech but, something I couldn’t quite make sense of business wise. What I mean is, if an unknown person had pitched it, no way.

    Early on they get a tens of millions of dollars buyout offer from Google. A few years later Google shuts it down. So now a bunch of guys are rich because they worked on something that looked like it had a chance of being really useful if you could just figure out how, but which never and will never get to the stage of customers spending more on it that the business cost to run (my former assumption and definition of success).

    I can see where some diverse types might say they could easily do something just as useless if only they had the connections and reputation needed to induce Google to brain fart out some pocket change to them.

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    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "Early on they get a tens of millions of dollars buyout offer from Google. A few years later Google shuts it down."

    This is SOP for many large companies, not just Google. A bunch of sales people I used to do work for at a large company left and set up their own sales recruitment company. Few years later they were bought out for cash by another large company, who ran it into the ground. But the guy who set the company up runs a yacht and hasn't needed to work since.

    btw, when Yan Shen talks of Asians in IT, does he mean East Asians or South Asians? Very different people.

    , @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    I was brought in to an Angel group as an advisor about a particular technology. I analyzed pitches for them and potential investments.
    I asked one guy if they ever invested in anyone who was not known by the Angels or their network, were they all someone's nephew, cousin, former employee's wife, etc.
    Answer, "no, everyone they invested in was a known quantity in some way."
    So many wasted powerpoint decks submitted by folks who had an idea but didn't know anyone...
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  29. Trelane says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    There's this thing called "theory of mind."

    Perhaps you should read up on it.

    Chinese theory of mind known also as solipsism. See here grassshopper for example number one:

    (kidding)

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    That's not a street scene from a city, that's a close-up of a human ant hill. These are the "small-souled bugmen" or "men without chests", as C.S. Lewis labelled them. A billion people who don't have to read the Economist once in their life to still be nothing more than a cluster of of asocial economic units. I can see why it's the worst kind of White men prefer China and the Chinese over their own people.
    , @Deckin
    Steve likes to talk about 'leap-frogging loyalty '. Well this is what 'non-leap frogging ' morality looks like. Chinese are incredibly dedicated to their nearest families; to strangers on the street? Meh. It's interesting to speculate on how this contributes to the social cohesion that enabled Europe to colonize China and not vice-versa.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Its tragic.

    As someone wrote at the turn of the century, there are a number of Chinese people who have neither adopted the morality of the West nor remember the morality of their own culture.
    , @Anon
    There's also a famous one of these from Israel.

    Slight difference is, in Israel eventually someone stops to see what the matter is. Probably a lawyer, amirite?
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  30. @Yan Shen
    As someone who works in tech in the Bay Area, albeit not as a programmer, I've experienced first hand the ideological echo chamber that is Silicon Valley. Conservative points of view are routinely demonized and not given a platform and those brave enough to defend such views risk being ostracized or worse.

    The somewhat good news is that the diversity initiatives and anti-bias workshops are mostly more of an annoyance rather than things that have actually hurt the top companies from a productivity and bottom line perspective. Despite all of the outrage over the lack of diversity, Silicon Valley hasn't been able to significantly increase the percentage of blacks, Hispanics, and women in tech roles beyond what they've traditionally been at.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2012/11/29/asian-workers-now-dominate-silicon-valley-tech-jobs/

    What has happened though is that the % of Asian Americans, primarily East and South Asians, has steadily increased in tech roles in the Bay Area to the point that they're actually the majority overall. A little reported fact in all of the diversity brouhaha is that whites are actually also under-represented in tech, although obviously not to the extent that blacks and Hispanics are.


    Asian-Americans make up half of the Bay Area’s technology workforce, and their double-digit employment gains came from jobs lost among white tech workers, according to an analysis by this newspaper of Census Bureau data released Thursday.

    The dramatic shift in the changing composition of the high-tech workforce represents a new generation of homegrown and imported workers drilled in science, technology, engineering and math studies. But the shift in workplace demographics — at least among tech companies — fails to reflect the gains of California’s Hispanic and Latino population, which lost ground in tech jobs along with African-Americans.

    “It’s the new world — a world in which whites are not the majority,” said Jan English-Lueck, associate dean of the college of social sciences at San Jose State University, who is also co-founder of the Silicon Valley Cultures Project. “Other people are being displaced.”
     

    This seems to make sense to me. I've always observed that whenever the work required increases in degree of quantitative and technical rigor, the over-representation of Asian Americans increases as well! For instance, I remarked in an earlier thread that the whitest parts of most tech companies in the Bay Area are in departments like marketing, sales, product, design, or the likes. Even the illustrious writer of this blog, Mr. Steve Sailer, worked in marketing for a number of years after getting an MBA from Rice, IIRC.

    So the bottom line is that Silicon Valley seems to be virtue signalling one thing, but in actuality doing something else, namely slowly increasing the percentage of Asian Americans in their technical workforce.

    well let a steamfitter tell you how this ends. some useless mouths get approached by jews and asked if they need a lawyer to get paid. next thing you know you have spent 50 million on lawyers and lost and are under court order to hire minorities and pay back wages and damages to every minority who ever worked for you or applied for a job or claim they tried to apply but were somehow oppressed from actually applying, you have to pay them ALL back wages plus interest overtime and vacation equal to your white workers average.No it doesn’t matter that the blacks came in late and took off mondays and that why they earned less,or they got fired for stealing, or they cant add, in fact lets add contempt of court for bringing that up. THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS THE OUTCOME WAS DISPARATE AND YOU HAVE DEEP POCKETS. But since you mentioned theses things heres what we are going to do you are to hire social workers and tutors and outreach and anything else the (((special master))) the (((judge))) s going to appoint to manage your compliance feels is needed and they will need a couple of floors of office space and a budget that the court will approve and you will pay.
    Ten years later you think youre about to get out from under this and go to see the judge. Guess what they did another census and it turns out there’s now 4% more blacks 3% more hispanics and 5% more gays and & % more women per capita in your area which means you’ve been in contempt of court. Not only will you have to once again pay everyone back wages, continue paying for the special master and his staff and a big fine to remind you whos boss, but now the special master will do your hiring and they have some great ideas how to reach out to the comunity to get qualified minorities, you dont have a problem with that do you didnt think so.
    So yuppies thats what us angry racist blue collar guys have been going through for 50 years enjoy, maybe in 50 years you’ll grow a pair

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  31. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I’ve always observed that whenever the work required increases in degree of quantitative and technical rigor, the over-representation of Asian Americans increases as well!
     
    Thank you very much, Mr. Roboto, for doing the jobs that nobody wants to —

    Yan Shen, I want to thank you, thank you !!!

    https://youtu.be/uc6f_2nPSX8?t=44s

    “Because Caucasians are just too damn tall”

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  32. @JohnnyWalker123
    CIA Officer and Unz columnist Phillip Giraldi recently wrote an interesting article about how Jewish-
    American neoconservatives are driving US wars in the Middle East. He mentioned that Jewish groups and individuals control US politicians, the media, and the entertainmen industry.

    any organization that aspires to be heard on foreign policy knows that to touch the live wire of Israel and American Jews guarantees a quick trip to obscurity. Jewish groups and deep pocket individual donors not only control the politicians, they own and run the media and entertainment industries, meaning that no one will hear about or from the offending party ever again. They are particularly sensitive on the issue of so-called “dual loyalty,” particularly as the expression itself is a bit of a sham since it is pretty clear that some of them only have real loyalty to Israel.
     
    This article was retweeted by CIA spy Valerie Plame, who became extremely famous back during the Bush years.

    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/910923865286725632

    Plame got massive criticism and backtracked.

    Interestingly, the media has hardly any mention of this extremely significant news story.

    One of the country's most prominent CIA officers (and also a very famous media-savy individual) made a comment about who's driving the multi-trillion dollar US wars overseas...... and the media responded with general silence. On the other hand, the Trump-NFL "controversy" is being followed very closely.

    Ron Unz had a comment on this.

    Ron Unz: Offhand I’d say that Valerie Plame is probably about the most famous undercover CIA agent in American history, and during the 2000s her name was regularly on the the front pages. Even this past year, I’ve seen her occasionally mentioned in my morning NYT/WSJ. And we have someone of such reasonable prominence sending out an utterly explosive Tweet with the headline “America’s Jews Are Driving America’s Wars,” then backtracking an hour or two later under massive pressure and apologizing. That certainly seems like a pretty major story.

    Yet the coverage was almost entirely confined to second- or mostly third-rank media outlets, with virtually no significant journalists or foreign policy figures seeming to provide any critical quotes and almost all the shrill attacks I saw coming from people whom I’d never heard of. The only prominent public critics I noticed were Alan Dershowitz and Marc Levin, both especially fanatic Jewish Neocons. And not a single word got into the NYT, the WSJ, or any other top-tier mainstream news outlet.
     

    I certainly wouldn’t take our host, Mr. Unz’s, comments on how our “most famous undercover agent’s” whacking the Joooos by promoting Giraldi’s hit piece, and how her sorry-assed climb down made into instaneously into the Memory Hole, as necessarily agreeing in the slightest with the content of Giraldi’s noxious screed. Au contraire, I would think…. Speaking as somebody who finds Giraldis’s primary Jooooish Neocon perp nearly as unsavory as Giraldi himself

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    Apparently you didn't see Unz's other comment on that article.
    , @King Baeksu

    In the course of the past year, a new belief has emerged in the town: the belief in war against Iraq. That ardent faith was disseminated by a small group of 25 or 30 neoconservatives, almost all of them Jewish, almost all of them intellectuals (a partial list: Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Eliot Abrams, Charles Krauthammer), people who are mutual friends and cultivate one another and are convinced that political ideas are a major driving force of history. They believe that the right political idea entails a fusion of morality and force, human rights and grit. The philosophical underpinnings of the Washington neoconservatives are the writings of Machiavelli, Hobbes and Edmund Burke. They also admire Winston Churchill and the policy pursued by Ronald Reagan. They tend to read reality in terms of the failure of the 1930s (Munich) versus the success of the 1980s (the fall of the Berlin Wall).
     
    Source: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/white-man-s-burden-1.14110
    , @ben tillman
    Auf Englisch, bitte.
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  33. MEH 0910 says:

    Plus, Silicon Valley will need meta-struggle sessions leaders to lead the struggle session leaders. And so forth and so on.

    It’s turtles all the way down struggle sessions all the way up!

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  34. It’s the new, “When did you stop beating your wife?”

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  35. Whiskey says: • Website

    Iirc, Giraldi argued Jews should be forced to wear the star of David on TV and called Jewish views rat poison . Hmmmm where have I seen that before?

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    That's right - in Nazi Germany Jews also had to wear yellow armbands when they went on TV!
    , @Anon

    Iirc, Giraldi argued Jews should be forced to wear the star of David on TV and called Jewish views rat poison
     
    Yes! Iirc he stated that they also drink the blood of Gentile children. The man is insane.
    , @mobi

    Iirc, Giraldi argued Jews should be forced to wear the star of David on TV and called Jewish views rat poison . Hmmmm where have I seen that before?
     
    I recommend less 'where' and more 'why'.
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  36. anon says: • Disclaimer

    To be fair, Africa’s top young mathematician last year was a girl.

    http://www.heraldlive.co.za/news/2016/05/03/cape-town-pupil-named-africas-top-young-mathematician/

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    But not a Bantu, as her photo shows only too well !
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  37. Yak-15 says:
    @Yan Shen
    As someone who works in tech in the Bay Area, albeit not as a programmer, I've experienced first hand the ideological echo chamber that is Silicon Valley. Conservative points of view are routinely demonized and not given a platform and those brave enough to defend such views risk being ostracized or worse.

    The somewhat good news is that the diversity initiatives and anti-bias workshops are mostly more of an annoyance rather than things that have actually hurt the top companies from a productivity and bottom line perspective. Despite all of the outrage over the lack of diversity, Silicon Valley hasn't been able to significantly increase the percentage of blacks, Hispanics, and women in tech roles beyond what they've traditionally been at.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2012/11/29/asian-workers-now-dominate-silicon-valley-tech-jobs/

    What has happened though is that the % of Asian Americans, primarily East and South Asians, has steadily increased in tech roles in the Bay Area to the point that they're actually the majority overall. A little reported fact in all of the diversity brouhaha is that whites are actually also under-represented in tech, although obviously not to the extent that blacks and Hispanics are.


    Asian-Americans make up half of the Bay Area’s technology workforce, and their double-digit employment gains came from jobs lost among white tech workers, according to an analysis by this newspaper of Census Bureau data released Thursday.

    The dramatic shift in the changing composition of the high-tech workforce represents a new generation of homegrown and imported workers drilled in science, technology, engineering and math studies. But the shift in workplace demographics — at least among tech companies — fails to reflect the gains of California’s Hispanic and Latino population, which lost ground in tech jobs along with African-Americans.

    “It’s the new world — a world in which whites are not the majority,” said Jan English-Lueck, associate dean of the college of social sciences at San Jose State University, who is also co-founder of the Silicon Valley Cultures Project. “Other people are being displaced.”
     

    This seems to make sense to me. I've always observed that whenever the work required increases in degree of quantitative and technical rigor, the over-representation of Asian Americans increases as well! For instance, I remarked in an earlier thread that the whitest parts of most tech companies in the Bay Area are in departments like marketing, sales, product, design, or the likes. Even the illustrious writer of this blog, Mr. Steve Sailer, worked in marketing for a number of years after getting an MBA from Rice, IIRC.

    So the bottom line is that Silicon Valley seems to be virtue signalling one thing, but in actuality doing something else, namely slowly increasing the percentage of Asian Americans in their technical workforce.

    I have seen the numerous posts you have made on the subject of Asians in tech. I work in a similar quantitative field where rewards for excellence and merit are limitless. Some of the smartest people in the world work in firms like mine and the cohorts of employees include many phd level quant types.

    While there is a strong presence of Asians in my business field, they typically do not reside in the highest positions and roles. In fact, of all the senior partners I have interviewed with, met or worked for, I believe I have met one Asian (South) guy who is in a chief role.

    Given the incredibly high test scores of the Asians, it’s quite odd that they are not dominating my field. The Asians I have worked with have been extraordinarily brilliant – ones given million dollar scholarships by the Singaporean government to gain Phds but who choose my career area instead. There are few problems that they cannot solve, but there is something lacking, some quality that holds them back from the highest positions.

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    IQ has been a mainstay of psychometrics for years but other aspects of neural brilliance tend to be popularly thought of in qualitative and descriptive rather than quantitative and hierarchical terms. Thus, while everyone knows about MBTI, the notion of an EQ to score and rank relative personality winsomeness in absolute quantitative terms is still fairly obscure (though not undeveloped among experts in the field). Nevertheless, it should be fairly intuitive that a successful existence is as much a function of charm and charisma as it is raw cognitive processing power. Looks count in that arena, as well: otherwise, upward of 90% of Hollywood starlets would be wasting away in trailer parks instead of lighting up our screens.
    , @guest
    "but there is something lacking, some quality that holds them back from the highest positions"

    White Privilege (a.k.a. the Phantom Menace)?
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  38. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Tonight’s BLM protest in St.Louis.
    The only black people are the cops.

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    If that picture is a representative sample, BLM is doing really well with white lesbians.
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  39. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Her company, Paradigm, designs diversity strategies.”

    I’ll be honest. Whenever I hear about someone who has figured out a way to make money by doing something like this, deep down, I feel like I’ve been a sucker my entire life.

    Why didn’t I think of that? I could make a PowerPoint presentation about diversity and just haul it around to various companies every day. I’d be more than happy to lecture a few people just so their HR department can say they put their employees through diversity training. I know they don’t really want to be there, and since I don’t really care either, I could just breeze through it and everyone would get out early. They’d probably really like me. I’d be like the cool substitute teacher that just lets you watch movies all day. I bet it’d be way less stressful than what I actually do, and they’d probably even give me a free catered lunch from Chipotle or someplace.

    Is my problem just that I’m not a semi-attractive blonde woman? I bet that’s part of it anyway. I bet if Joelle Emerson was a couple notches more attractive, she would be one of those women who dresses up in a Captain Morgan’s outfit and gives away shots at bars during sports events. She knows her limitations, though, so she’s taken a different route. One that’s less respectable, perhaps, but more stable over the long run.

    Well, life is full of regrets, I suppose.

    I would also like to say that I like how she named her company “Paradigm”, which is a word I always associate with the late nineties, when it was the world’s most annoying Silicon Valley buzzword. That’s using your head. If an HR lady had to pick a company to give a diversity lecture, I’m sure the word “paradigm” would trigger fond memories of early dot-com bubble speeches and motivational posters from Successories and the like.

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    I would also like to say that I like how she named her company “Paradigm”, which is a word I always associate with the late nineties, when it was the world’s most annoying Silicon Valley buzzword.
     
    Brother, can you paradigm?

    It wasn't just Silicon Valleys' most annoying buzzword. It was Americas' most annoying buzzword.

    Diversity consultants and other such parasites working the diversity racket are our modern ages' version of the 16th and 17th century witchfinders. They sniff out deviltry on commission.

    , @Dave from Oz
    "I’ll be honest. Whenever I hear about someone who has figured out a way to make money by doing something like this, deep down, I feel like I’ve been a sucker my entire life."

    It only works if you are a somewhat hot - or at least young - woman. Check out the site: https://www.paradigmiq.com/aboutus/#team . 14 people. 11 women. None of 'em fat. And nary a gray hair among them.

    It'd be fun to sue these people for ageism.
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  40. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Diversity and Inclusion. Chapter 13 Economics in one easy step. With all the different people in the World, the best way to no longer compete is put them all in the same room. Can’t we all just get along? No. Koreans shooting blacks, and the media blaming White people could show you all that. Women have a place in the World, they’re just too dumb to do it. In the workplace, women find their true value, fetching coffee and having sex. Do it at home and live better girly…

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  41. I wouldn’t say Hollywood was good, most of what it produces is cheesy, cartoonish, or overly sentimental fodder for the masses. And the US isn’t exactly creative when it comes to TV shows. Every other US TV show seems to be a rip off of a British show. However, I would say it is very efficient at doing what it does. The American entertainment industry is harder working and more commercially-minded that its rivals in other countries, and that’s one of the reasons why it dominates the global film and TV industries.

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  42. @Yan Shen
    As someone who works in tech in the Bay Area, albeit not as a programmer, I've experienced first hand the ideological echo chamber that is Silicon Valley. Conservative points of view are routinely demonized and not given a platform and those brave enough to defend such views risk being ostracized or worse.

    The somewhat good news is that the diversity initiatives and anti-bias workshops are mostly more of an annoyance rather than things that have actually hurt the top companies from a productivity and bottom line perspective. Despite all of the outrage over the lack of diversity, Silicon Valley hasn't been able to significantly increase the percentage of blacks, Hispanics, and women in tech roles beyond what they've traditionally been at.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2012/11/29/asian-workers-now-dominate-silicon-valley-tech-jobs/

    What has happened though is that the % of Asian Americans, primarily East and South Asians, has steadily increased in tech roles in the Bay Area to the point that they're actually the majority overall. A little reported fact in all of the diversity brouhaha is that whites are actually also under-represented in tech, although obviously not to the extent that blacks and Hispanics are.


    Asian-Americans make up half of the Bay Area’s technology workforce, and their double-digit employment gains came from jobs lost among white tech workers, according to an analysis by this newspaper of Census Bureau data released Thursday.

    The dramatic shift in the changing composition of the high-tech workforce represents a new generation of homegrown and imported workers drilled in science, technology, engineering and math studies. But the shift in workplace demographics — at least among tech companies — fails to reflect the gains of California’s Hispanic and Latino population, which lost ground in tech jobs along with African-Americans.

    “It’s the new world — a world in which whites are not the majority,” said Jan English-Lueck, associate dean of the college of social sciences at San Jose State University, who is also co-founder of the Silicon Valley Cultures Project. “Other people are being displaced.”
     

    This seems to make sense to me. I've always observed that whenever the work required increases in degree of quantitative and technical rigor, the over-representation of Asian Americans increases as well! For instance, I remarked in an earlier thread that the whitest parts of most tech companies in the Bay Area are in departments like marketing, sales, product, design, or the likes. Even the illustrious writer of this blog, Mr. Steve Sailer, worked in marketing for a number of years after getting an MBA from Rice, IIRC.

    So the bottom line is that Silicon Valley seems to be virtue signalling one thing, but in actuality doing something else, namely slowly increasing the percentage of Asian Americans in their technical workforce.

    Another factor. In places where property prices are very high, Whites tend to move out and Asians move in. This isn’t just occurring in Silicon Valley. It’s happening in every crowded, expensive part of the Anglosphere.

    Whites hate having to spend all their money on property, when they could be spending on sports, hobbies, travel, pets, etc. In contrast, most Asians don’t seem to mind that much.

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    Another factor. In places where property prices are very high, Whites tend to move out and Asians move in. This isn’t just occurring in Silicon Valley. It’s happening in every crowded, expensive part of the Anglosphere.

    This is partly because Asians will have 3 generations living in a crammed household, 4 brothers all working and supporting/housing mother and grandpa/grandma... all in the same household.

    Western Whites don't like living in close quarters with extended family that way, with the exception of some Southern Europeans.
    , @bomag

    Whites tend to move out and Asians move in. This isn’t just occurring in Silicon Valley. It’s happening in every crowded, expensive part of the Anglosphere.
     
    Insofar as the entire planet is becoming more crowded and expensive, this does not bode well for the Anglo-sphere.

    A future where the ghetto wins and Yan Shen is happy doesn't supply much encouragement.

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  43. It’s incredibly disingenuous to characterize Damore’s point as being “women are biologically less capable of engineering.” It would be much more accurate to say the memo claimed that, on average, women are less interested in engineering.

    I know the NYT knows its readers haven’t actually read the memo, and if they did it was the Gizmodo version with the citations removed, and I’m pissing in the wind to complain about it, but still… it’s irritating.

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  44. Mr. Anon says:

    Of course, the existence of dissent just proves how Silicon Valley needs ever more struggle sessions led by professional struggle session leaders. Plus, Silicon Valley will need meta-struggle sessions leaders to lead the struggle session leaders. And so forth and so on.

    Multi-Level Mau-Mauing

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  45. BenKenobi says:
    @Desiderius

    Why Are You Passionate About Working on Diversity and Inclusion?
     
    Well, why wouldn't you be? What are you, racist?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJXBsXtFplc

    It’s almost like an inverse “have you stopped beating your wife yet?”

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  46. Rod1963 says:

    The hiring of stupid ethnics is a smoke screen neabt ti distract people.

    Silicon Valley was never “good” in the terms of helping American workers. Even in the 90′s they were already replacing American engineers with H-1B’s. The companies and owners were swimming in money but they weren’t’ about to share it with their workers. And if they weren’t replacing their American workers, they were moving their factories overseas.

    Sweet bunch those sociopathic nerds like Gates, Jobs, Ellison, etc.

    And what have the big players been doing lately? Colluding to keep wages down so their engineers won’t jump ship. They got busted for it., but it shows despite their owners being worth billions they won’t hesitate to screw their workers out of a pay raise.

    Today the Silicon Valley billionaires are leading the charge to destroy America by keeping the borders wide open and flooding the country with enough serfs it collapses the entire system. They don’t care because they’re already richer than god.

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  47. According to Joelle Emerson’s LinkedIn profile, she “designed and taught a course on Building Diverse and Inclusive Organizations at the Stanford Graduate School of Business.”

    Also,

    • Created and managed Proyecto La Voz, a wrap-around legal services program providing legal and non-legal services to immigrant women facing workplace sexual harassment and sexual assault.
    • Developed an innovative sexual harassment training and led the training dozens of times, presenting to over 700 trainees.

    This woman understands the zeitgeist.

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  48. @Anon
    Tonight's BLM protest in St.Louis.
    The only black people are the cops.

    https://i0.mail.com/mcom/914/5533914%2Cpd=1%2Cf=teaser-card-l-tall/.jpg

    If that picture is a representative sample, BLM is doing really well with white lesbians.

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  49. Jack D says:
    @Whiskey
    Iirc, Giraldi argued Jews should be forced to wear the star of David on TV and called Jewish views rat poison . Hmmmm where have I seen that before?

    That’s right – in Nazi Germany Jews also had to wear yellow armbands when they went on TV!

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    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0256749/

    Nazi Germany DID have TV, to an extent. I don't know if Jews were even shown, if they had to wear stars, and doubt they had to be yellow since it was black and white.

    OTOH yellow was the new white in early monochrome tv. White drove the cameras nuts as did chrome. That's why RCA and Neumann mics lost their bright chrome finishes and why Gibson went to baby shit yellow on the Les Paul Juniors and Melody Makers and Fender to the butterscotch on Telecasters.
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  50. @Yan Shen
    As someone who works in tech in the Bay Area, albeit not as a programmer, I've experienced first hand the ideological echo chamber that is Silicon Valley. Conservative points of view are routinely demonized and not given a platform and those brave enough to defend such views risk being ostracized or worse.

    The somewhat good news is that the diversity initiatives and anti-bias workshops are mostly more of an annoyance rather than things that have actually hurt the top companies from a productivity and bottom line perspective. Despite all of the outrage over the lack of diversity, Silicon Valley hasn't been able to significantly increase the percentage of blacks, Hispanics, and women in tech roles beyond what they've traditionally been at.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2012/11/29/asian-workers-now-dominate-silicon-valley-tech-jobs/

    What has happened though is that the % of Asian Americans, primarily East and South Asians, has steadily increased in tech roles in the Bay Area to the point that they're actually the majority overall. A little reported fact in all of the diversity brouhaha is that whites are actually also under-represented in tech, although obviously not to the extent that blacks and Hispanics are.


    Asian-Americans make up half of the Bay Area’s technology workforce, and their double-digit employment gains came from jobs lost among white tech workers, according to an analysis by this newspaper of Census Bureau data released Thursday.

    The dramatic shift in the changing composition of the high-tech workforce represents a new generation of homegrown and imported workers drilled in science, technology, engineering and math studies. But the shift in workplace demographics — at least among tech companies — fails to reflect the gains of California’s Hispanic and Latino population, which lost ground in tech jobs along with African-Americans.

    “It’s the new world — a world in which whites are not the majority,” said Jan English-Lueck, associate dean of the college of social sciences at San Jose State University, who is also co-founder of the Silicon Valley Cultures Project. “Other people are being displaced.”
     

    This seems to make sense to me. I've always observed that whenever the work required increases in degree of quantitative and technical rigor, the over-representation of Asian Americans increases as well! For instance, I remarked in an earlier thread that the whitest parts of most tech companies in the Bay Area are in departments like marketing, sales, product, design, or the likes. Even the illustrious writer of this blog, Mr. Steve Sailer, worked in marketing for a number of years after getting an MBA from Rice, IIRC.

    So the bottom line is that Silicon Valley seems to be virtue signalling one thing, but in actuality doing something else, namely slowly increasing the percentage of Asian Americans in their technical workforce.

    How’d uou do on your SAT, Yang Chin? Was it after analogies and vocabulary were removed or enstupedated?

    Hispanic people speak Spanish. That’s it; that’s thw alpha and omega of matters. Some are Negroes, others Caucasians, others Amerindians, and still others mestizos, mulattoes, quadroons, and other sorts of half-breeds.

    Stop writing stupid shit like:

    A little reported fact in all of the diversity brouhaha is that whites are actually also under-represented in tech, although obviously not to the extent that blacks and Hispanics are.

    It’d be news to this white, Hispanic guy that he is “under-represented” in technology (whatever that even means).

    And it is “little known” to exactly no one that ant-people have overrun Silly Valley by working for nothing in exchange for green cards.

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  51. Mr. Anon says:
    @anon

    Her company, Paradigm, designs diversity strategies.”
     
    I'll be honest. Whenever I hear about someone who has figured out a way to make money by doing something like this, deep down, I feel like I've been a sucker my entire life.

    Why didn't I think of that? I could make a PowerPoint presentation about diversity and just haul it around to various companies every day. I'd be more than happy to lecture a few people just so their HR department can say they put their employees through diversity training. I know they don't really want to be there, and since I don't really care either, I could just breeze through it and everyone would get out early. They'd probably really like me. I'd be like the cool substitute teacher that just lets you watch movies all day. I bet it'd be way less stressful than what I actually do, and they'd probably even give me a free catered lunch from Chipotle or someplace.

    Is my problem just that I'm not a semi-attractive blonde woman? I bet that's part of it anyway. I bet if Joelle Emerson was a couple notches more attractive, she would be one of those women who dresses up in a Captain Morgan's outfit and gives away shots at bars during sports events. She knows her limitations, though, so she's taken a different route. One that's less respectable, perhaps, but more stable over the long run.

    Well, life is full of regrets, I suppose.

    I would also like to say that I like how she named her company "Paradigm", which is a word I always associate with the late nineties, when it was the world's most annoying Silicon Valley buzzword. That's using your head. If an HR lady had to pick a company to give a diversity lecture, I'm sure the word "paradigm" would trigger fond memories of early dot-com bubble speeches and motivational posters from Successories and the like.

    I would also like to say that I like how she named her company “Paradigm”, which is a word I always associate with the late nineties, when it was the world’s most annoying Silicon Valley buzzword.

    Brother, can you paradigm?

    It wasn’t just Silicon Valleys’ most annoying buzzword. It was Americas’ most annoying buzzword.

    Diversity consultants and other such parasites working the diversity racket are our modern ages’ version of the 16th and 17th century witchfinders. They sniff out deviltry on commission.

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    Paradigm
    Space (Safe Space, Deal Space, MySpace)
    Synergy
    Diversity
    Global economy
    Acquisition
    Agile
    Leverage
    Results-driven
    Assets
    Innovative
    The Sharing Economy
    Disruptive
    Streamline
    Viral

    If you want to have a successful career in Management Consulting or Venture Capital, I suggest using the above terms constantly.
    , @silviosilver

    Brother, can you paradigm?

    It wasn’t just Silicon Valleys’ most annoying buzzword. It was Americas’ most annoying buzzword.
     
    As Tom Wolfe put it in A Man in Full:

    "I'm afraid that's a sunk cost, Charlie," said Wismer Stroock. "At this point the whole paradigm has shifted."

    Charlie started to remonstrate. Most of the Wiz's lingo he could put up with, even a "sunk cost." But this word paradigm absolutely drove him up the wall, so much so that he had complained to the Wiz about it. T he damned word meant nothing at all, near as he could make out, and yet it was always "shifting," whatever it was. In fact, that was the only thing the "paradigm" ever seemed to do. It only shifted.
     
    I don't actually agree with that though. A "paradigm" remains a very useful way to conceptualize related and entrenched thought-patterns.
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  52. newrouter says:
    @Yan Shen
    No no, as all of the outrage over the lack of blacks and Hispanics in tech has proven, everyone wants a piece of that Silicon Valley pie, in particular those technical roles that supposedly would benefit tremendously from having more blacks, Hispanics, and women.

    In actuality, despite all of the public outrage and virtue signalling, tech hasn't been able to move the needle much in that direction. What's happened is that they've quietly moved in the opposite direction, i.e. the % of Asian Americans in tech roles in the Bay Area has increased over the past decade and a half to the point where they're actually the majority of those in such roles.

    As I stated above, all of this jives with my general observations of the Bay Area as well. The more technically rigorous the work, the greater the % of Asian Americans in those roles. The whitest areas of most tech companies are in departments like marketing, product, design, sales or the likes. In particular, sales seems to basically be just a gathering of your whitest fraternity and sorority brothers and sisters from back in the day in state school.

    I also think Steve himself is a good example of this sort of technical vs non-technical schism that I alluded to, i.e. worked in marketing for many years after getting an MBA from UCLA, which seems like a very stereotypical white American thing in the business world, and today is a blogger and is someone who clearly skews towards verbal and away from math, etc etc.

    “I also think Steve himself is a good example of this sort of technical vs non-technical schism that I alluded to, i.e. worked in marketing for many years after getting an MBA from UCLA”

    yea like mao. you clowns went hook, line, sinker into stupid

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  53. Stealth says:
    @Hanoi Paris Hilton
    I certainly wouldn't take our host, Mr. Unz's, comments on how our "most famous undercover agent's" whacking the Joooos by promoting Giraldi's hit piece, and how her sorry-assed climb down made into instaneously into the Memory Hole, as necessarily agreeing in the slightest with the content of Giraldi's noxious screed. Au contraire, I would think.... Speaking as somebody who finds Giraldis's primary Jooooish Neocon perp nearly as unsavory as Giraldi himself

    Apparently you didn’t see Unz’s other comment on that article.

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  54. Yan Shen says:

    Because I like complaining more than constructing?

    Honestly Steve, there’s a bit more truth to that than most Americans might remember or care to admit. Although commenter Daniel Chieh will attempt to sell the revisionist history that uh America and Europe’s shift away from advanced tech manufacturing and towards services was of course all planned out, actual history tells us that in the late 1980s and early 1990s there was significant consternation in the West about Japan’s increasing industrial dominance, leading to the phenomenon of what might be called Japan bashing. From back in 1991…

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1991/06/16/europes-new-rage-japan-bashing/0b9b1f7b-e578-4aae-926b-e2bdd6809f68/?utm_term=.aa9681538dd2

    French Prime Minister Edith Cresson has even described the Japanese as “ants” imbued with a single-minded devotion to vanquish the Western world. “They sit up all night thinking of ways to screw the Americans and the Europeans,” she said before taking office last month. “They are our common enemy.

    Europe’s computer industries are on the verge of collapse because they cannot compete with Japanese and American companies that adapt more quickly to swiftly changing technologies. The Netherlands’ electronics giant Philips, Italy’s Olivetti and France’s Bull have been forced to slash thousands of people from their employment rolls this year. Even with more billion-dollar bailouts from governments, their survival prospects are bleak.

    When we think of tech today, we mostly think of America, i.e. Silicon Valley and East Asia. The former skews towards software while the latter hardware, i.e Japan has always had a clear preference for hardware and today Shenzhen is described as the Silicon Valley of hardware. But it wasn’t too long ago that Europe had a meaningful tech sector as well!

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1992-02-04/news/9201110169_1_miyazawa-work-ethic-american-workers

    All of this kinda sorta came to a head when Japanese leaders basically had enough of the constant complaints from their American counterparts and politely pointed out that maybe Americans had lost the ability to produce and instead grew fond of whining. From back in 1992…

    Japanese Prime Minister Kiichi Miyazawa`s remarks Monday that American workers lack drive and a strong work ethic not only elevated the war of words between the world`s two biggest economic rivals, they highlighted a growing gap in perception that afflicts U.S.-Japanese diplomatic relations.

    Because so many American university graduates were recruited into Wall Street, the number of engineers in charge of developing goods has declined.“ The Bush administration and several American politicians known for their tough stance against Japan responded quickly and forcefully.

    Note that the whole meme popularized by blogger Lion of the Blogosphere about mathematical ability being conducive to value creation and verbal ability being conducive to value transference was already hinted at or alluded to back in those days by various observers of the whole Japanese brouhaha of the 1980s and early 1990s…

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    When we think of tech today, we mostly think of America, i.e. Silicon Valley and East Asia. The former skews towards software while the latter hardware, i.e Japan has always had a clear preference for hardware and today Shenzhen is described as the Silicon Valley of hardware.

    Why isn't Japanese firm such as Sony a leading maker of smart cell phones?

    Japan seems to be nowhere with regard to smart phones.
    , @ia
    I think you're conflating apples with soy sauce. Europeans and Americans weren't demanding that the Japanese be fired from their jobs were they? They didn't complain about a glass ceiling did they? Considering that the Americans could have done to the Japanese what the Japanese did to the Chinese a few years earlier they behaved with enormous restraint. The Japanese in turn hired an American to teach them "quality" control. Deming was his name or something like that – and they outdid their conqueror.

    The West may have grumbled about Japanese competition but I don't think they wanted special treatment. The fake-victim racket played today is a wholly different ball game.
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  55. @Mr. Anon

    I would also like to say that I like how she named her company “Paradigm”, which is a word I always associate with the late nineties, when it was the world’s most annoying Silicon Valley buzzword.
     
    Brother, can you paradigm?

    It wasn't just Silicon Valleys' most annoying buzzword. It was Americas' most annoying buzzword.

    Diversity consultants and other such parasites working the diversity racket are our modern ages' version of the 16th and 17th century witchfinders. They sniff out deviltry on commission.

    Paradigm
    Space (Safe Space, Deal Space, MySpace)
    Synergy
    Diversity
    Global economy
    Acquisition
    Agile
    Leverage
    Results-driven
    Assets
    Innovative
    The Sharing Economy
    Disruptive
    Streamline
    Viral

    If you want to have a successful career in Management Consulting or Venture Capital, I suggest using the above terms constantly.

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    , @Eagle Eye
    Just being in a space, even with a paradigm shift, doesn't cut it anymore.

    You really need to own the stack and ideally become a unicorn.
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  56. @Neoconned
    I work 3 jobs, all in the food service restaurant industry. 2 of these jobs are cooking at 2 different fast food establishments. I live in the Deep South, near New Orleans. Today it was 92 degrees F.....humidity was near 100 pc. We consider LA cold & Arizona simply warm.

    I woke up at 4am today and walked a mile to McD's. I walk in the road this time of yr because the sidewalk has Cottonmouth "water moccasin" snakes and Copperheads that like to hide in the grass at the edge. Almost stepped on 4 or 5 just in the past month. These are species of pit vipers.

    I get to work right away at five. I change six 40pound towel buckets. Thats the 1st task. I burn my hands often from the scalding water. Then often spill it on my shoes.

    Next task is going to scrub the public toilets w bleach solution. This isnt so bad as i wear gloves & get to listen to oldies and classic rock on the satellite radio feed. Moderately relaxing. But still, scrubbing shit off the walls and penile, vaginal, and anal fluids and urine off the toilets is hardly fun much less noble.

    This must be done by 6am. At 6 i go and clean the parking lot. This is the nicest part of my entire day. Its much cooler in the morning. About 70-75F but still muggy. I still have to dodge cars, occasionally put up w drunk or mental case guests, and clean broken glass, cigarette butts, beer bottles, used diapers and tampons, condoms, and spilled food along with other random assorted trash.

    I then go lift the 25 lb doors of the dumpster and empty all this shit out.

    Next i go inside and assemble and break down all discarded boxes and trash. Trash goes in a trash compactor. I cart the boxes to the dumpster on a push cart thing. Back & forth its an eighth of a mile just doing that. Next comes the compactor. If there are cars in the drive thru u wait for them to pass. The customer is always right as my management says. Even if its 85f outside and you're sweating like in a sauna.

    You wear hot black pants, even in high summer.

    I throw the boxes into the dumpster and then use the hydraulic lift to raise the compressed trash up. I then remove a ring and ease the baled trash into the dumpster.

    If the ring falls in the dumpster guess whos going in after it. If the trash bale falls early & spills everywhere guess who's grabbing a broom/dustpan....

    Then bring the cart and compactor back in. Set the annoying door alarm & then double bag the compactor & spending 2-3 min monkeying it into the slots that it has to go into.

    Next i sweep AND mop this area.

    Now its 7am. From here to 930-950am i filter the fryers.

    That means lugging the greasy grease bins to the back, spraying them out and changing out the cleaning pad, magnesium coating, and unplugging all the holes fikled with grease and crumbs. Then lugging these bulky 50 lb containers BACK AND THEN you start filtering. Be careful, oil is expensive. I filter and change oil only as needed and must ask permission before changing each vat from manager on duty.

    When filtering, you often get dripping hot grease onto your hands and arms. Grease burns are common. Each vat must filter 5min minimum. Each vat must be immaculate to get signed off on. I cant begin to tell you what a bitch this is.

    After this i go to grill. My neurotic bipolar boss gives me literally 3-4 jobs to do @ once.

    Not only do i cook food and sweat like a pig in front of the 200 degree grill but i must maintain as clean a work station as possible. You are often asked to do stupid nitpick jobs the teenyboppers up front are too incompetent to do. This includes bringing up ice, changing trash, stocking the fries or the fry station, cleaning lobby, printing numerous "date & time" stickers to put on ingredient & food containers to meet health dept regulation, etc

    All this on top of cooking food REAL FAST so the line doesn't get jammed up. Im usually off at 2.

    I eat lunch in the lobby. I often fall asleep sitting up watching tv in the lobby due to exhaustion. I leave & walk half an hr to my 2nd job at a pizza place. I work til eight when i go home. Thats my side job.

    I wash dishes out of boredom when orders slow.

    This the tranny delivery driver literally whines about doing because he/she doesn't want to chip a nail or get grime or grease on their clothes.

    On weekdays my 3rd job is washing dishes at a college cafeteria.

    Thats a part time gig.

    You get the picture

    I'll spare you the routine of that job but McD's is preferable and i just told you what a hell that is. At the end of the day i walk a mile back home to the 80-90pc black slum i live in.

    They leave me alone because i threatened the drug dealers on my street when they threatened me and my family because they thought i was a policeman (lol) or an informer. Dont have many problems with them any more. Go to bed, rinse repeat.

    Now, the question I'm dying to ask: how the hell do i get in on this racket? Sitting in front of a PowerPoint and talking some scripted shit my boss wrote for me.

    Last year after taxes i think i cleared $8500-10k

    Im assuming these rentiers make in the range of $150-200k per yr....

    Ill work for a fifth to a quarter of what they make and work triple the hours and still triple what i make doing 3 lousy restaurant jobs.....

    Seriously i want in, I'd put these goldbrickers on the unemployment line within a week....

    Excellent post.

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  57. @Yan Shen
    Makes sense. Asian Americans skew towards tech and away from finance, but even in investment banking they're still over-represented, at least at the lower analyst levels where the work is more "technical" in nature. As you climb up the i-banking hierarchy, I suspect that interpersonal skills and the ability to network and schmooze become increasingly more important and perhaps predominantly so.

    This is probably why East Asians don't climb up the corporate ladders of the finance and business world nearly as well as South Asians do in this country. However, they most likely contribute more to actual value creation relative to South Asians in America.

    In Silicon Valley, I’d bet that South Asians outnumber East Asians by 3:1. In Wall Street, East Asians outnumber South Asians by maybe 2:1.

    The reason is because Silicon Valley is heavily dependent on the H-1b visa workers, who are heavily Indian subcontinental. Wall Street mostly recruits from the Ivy League universities, which have more East Asians than South Asians at the BA level (the groups are about equal at the MBA level). South Asians are more likely to climb the corporate ladder both in Silicon Valley and Wall Street.

    South Asians are more English-fluent and extroverted than East Asians. So they’re better talkers, more socially aggressive, and more into schmoozing. South Asians aren’t so good looking as a race though, so that limits their opportunities to some extent.

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    Honestly I would've assumed the opposite, i.e. East Asians outnumber South Asians in tech as opposed to Wall Street. Are you sure the ratio in Silicon Valley is 3:1 South Asian:East Asian? Even with Indians disproportionately dominating the H-1B visa racket, I was under the general impression that the ratio was still close to 1 to 1, but I could be wrong here and wouldn't be surprised if I was, haha.
    , @trutherator
    ooooh. So much stereotyping. And except for some indoctrination-addled minds, I think most of them would agree with you.

    One H1B visa co-worker from India once said to me he "agreed" (with what he thought I was going to say) that he understood that a country would prefer its own citizens in its ruled-making.
    , @Peripatetic commenter
    South Asians tend to be very nepotistic as well, preferring to hire other South Asians, especially relatives, over anyone else, at least in my experience.
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  58. @Mr. Anon

    I would also like to say that I like how she named her company “Paradigm”, which is a word I always associate with the late nineties, when it was the world’s most annoying Silicon Valley buzzword.
     
    Brother, can you paradigm?

    It wasn't just Silicon Valleys' most annoying buzzword. It was Americas' most annoying buzzword.

    Diversity consultants and other such parasites working the diversity racket are our modern ages' version of the 16th and 17th century witchfinders. They sniff out deviltry on commission.

    Brother, can you paradigm?

    It wasn’t just Silicon Valleys’ most annoying buzzword. It was Americas’ most annoying buzzword.

    As Tom Wolfe put it in A Man in Full:

    “I’m afraid that’s a sunk cost, Charlie,” said Wismer Stroock. “At this point the whole paradigm has shifted.”

    Charlie started to remonstrate. Most of the Wiz’s lingo he could put up with, even a “sunk cost.” But this word paradigm absolutely drove him up the wall, so much so that he had complained to the Wiz about it. T he damned word meant nothing at all, near as he could make out, and yet it was always “shifting,” whatever it was. In fact, that was the only thing the “paradigm” ever seemed to do. It only shifted.

    I don’t actually agree with that though. A “paradigm” remains a very useful way to conceptualize related and entrenched thought-patterns.

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    "A 'paradigm' remains a very useful way to conceptualize related and entrenched thought-patterns"

    Can't you use the word "pattern," like you just did? Or "model," like a normal person?

    Any word can become a buzzword, I suppose, and it's healthy to lay off them when they become stale. But there's something about "paradigm," specifically. It's a "look at me" word, and never took as a layman's term. Time to drop it altogether.

    I hereby sentence it to a generation in word-jail.

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  59. Yan Shen says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    In Silicon Valley, I'd bet that South Asians outnumber East Asians by 3:1. In Wall Street, East Asians outnumber South Asians by maybe 2:1.

    The reason is because Silicon Valley is heavily dependent on the H-1b visa workers, who are heavily Indian subcontinental. Wall Street mostly recruits from the Ivy League universities, which have more East Asians than South Asians at the BA level (the groups are about equal at the MBA level). South Asians are more likely to climb the corporate ladder both in Silicon Valley and Wall Street.

    South Asians are more English-fluent and extroverted than East Asians. So they're better talkers, more socially aggressive, and more into schmoozing. South Asians aren't so good looking as a race though, so that limits their opportunities to some extent.

    Honestly I would’ve assumed the opposite, i.e. East Asians outnumber South Asians in tech as opposed to Wall Street. Are you sure the ratio in Silicon Valley is 3:1 South Asian:East Asian? Even with Indians disproportionately dominating the H-1B visa racket, I was under the general impression that the ratio was still close to 1 to 1, but I could be wrong here and wouldn’t be surprised if I was, haha.

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    According to the US govt stats, South Asians (almost all Indian) get about 70% of H-1b visas. East/Southeast Asians get about 15% of H-1bs.

    https://www.recode.net/2017/4/13/15281170/china-india-tech-h1b-visas

    However, among American-raised programmers, Asians probably outnumber Indians. There's just such a massive inflow of H-1bs that this skews everything.

    From my experience, Indians seem to be at least 35% of the programmers at lots of elite tech companies.

    In Silicon Valley (which is even more foreignized than where I live), I'd estimate Indian subcons outnumber Asians by 3:1 or maybe 2:1. 1:1 sounds a little low.

    Wall Street has lots of Asians because they recruit mainly at Ivy League colleges, which have lots of Asian students. There are Indians there too (especially at the MBA level), but fewer than Asians.

    At the more elite levels of Wall Street, Indians seem to outnumber Asians. This is even more true in Silicon Valley, which has LOTS of Indian in senior roles.
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  60. “Why Are You Passionate About Working on Diversity and Inclusion?”

    Because I’m white and there’s no better feeling than rising in social status over my white peers by being perceived as more enlightened than them?

    Oh, and also, since “this revolution will be massively incentivized,” I figured I could make a killing at the same time.

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    Shouldn't her slide read, "Why you'd better be passionate about working on diversity and inclusion"?
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  61. The diversity business is a nice racket. Put together some power points about how whites are the most racist people on the planet. Exalt the glory of diversity and multiculturalism and proceed to tell whites that they have no choice but to accept their displacement in their own countries. Don’t forget to put in a binder and than charge $3K per head for a 2 day seminar. Convince the management in whatever company you have targeted that they should make it MANDATORY. Presto change – you are rolling in the $$$. Do the math – company with 10000 employees x $3K per person.

    What a business.

    As for the decline of whites in tech this is part of a much larger picture which is not mentioned. The decline in whites in tech is directly related to the H1B and offshoring of tech jobs to Asia.

    I have an undergrad in computer engineering and a two masters degrees – one in management science and another in computer science. Ask me what all this education buys you one when competing against people here on H1B’s for work? Not a whole lot.

    The general public is not really aware of what has been going on since before the year 2000. Prior to the year 2000 companies were freaking out about what Y2K was going to do to all the systems. They had to check each and every system to make sure it could handle a four digit year. That requires people but at the same time they had all this other work they had to do. At that point thats where India comes in – companies started bringing in thousands of people on the H1B to work on the Y2K. Than Y2K happened or should I say not happened – there was no problem.

    At that point the companies looked up and said – all these Indians we have on H1B are dirt cheap compared to our American employees, lets lay off all the Americans. Which is pretty much what has happened. After Y2K the layoffs really picked up steam. Company after company, industry after industry got rid of their American employees. Realize that the Indians are not superior but what they are though is cheaper. A lot cheaper and if you are on an H1B its basically a license to abuse you.

    As time went on the Indians that were here in the US got into management. And what do you think they did? They hired their friends and relatives. Bribes and kickbacks are the norm, thats how business works in India. It was/is on a scale that is unimaginable. It exploded actually and Americans were systematically pushed out. It just continued to grow to the point that now pretty much every IT department in every company is almost completely Indian.

    Don’t get me wrong there is a sprinkling of Americans but its nowhere near like it used to be. Most Americans are gone unless you have specific specialty skills. You can’t be just a programmer any more. There are tons and tons of Indian consulting companies who have connections into lots of companies via their friends and families. Basically in these companies if you are not Indian you are not getting hired. Thats how it works.

    At the same time this is happening white Americans are told they are most racist people on the planet but all the other ethnic groups are working cohesively together but whites are told that its illegal for them to do the same thing the other groups are doing. Nice, huh…

    So now its been 17 years since Y2K and frankly you have to have rocks in your head to want to get into technology. Have all this education to have to compete with foreigners in your own country and offshore for work for the rest of your life? NO THANKS. The media likes to portray Silly Valley as having streets paved with gold. Um, maybe if you hit the tech lottery and have a company that they want to buy out. But thats not the norm for the most part. A lot of it has to do with luck and being in the right place and right time, not hard work. Most companies are not Google, Apple and Facebook.

    People like to say Americans are stupid but they aren’t that stupid. Young Americans looked around and realize that tech is a dead end career. They have seen their parents, parents friends and siblings laid off and replaced. You are going to spend crazy amounts of $$ on college and be told over and over how horrible you are? Than you can’t find a job due to the H1B and offshoring. For what reason are you doing this?

    No thanks, I say go learn a trade.

    If you are smart enough to do engineering you are smart enough to do something else. Heck, most plumbers and electricians I know make more money than any corporate guy and they have a lot less stress. Nobody bothering you and nobody threatening to lay you off. You will be better off and will have a good life.

    As a friend who is an electrician said – if you aggravate me. I pack up my tools and leave. By the time I get to my truck they are begging me to come back.

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    I have been working w Dell to fix a comp hardware issue. Have talked w 12-15 people in the troubleshooting/shipping/repair etc process. All Indian.

    I have native white friends who have been writing code for 25 yrs and are unemployed.

    Aint it wunderful
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    From the 70s through the 90s, there were a substantial number of Indian tech workers that migrated to the U.S. Especially after the immigration liberalization of the early 90s. However, the numbers didn't really start exploding until the year 2000. That was when the Indians began to come in massive, unending numbers.

    Much of this is because the practice of nepotistic hiring. It seems like Indians hire extensively on linguistic/caste lines, so non-Indians get squeezed out. If you're not from their ethnicity and subgroup, you will not be hired. Simple as that.

    I do think that the pre-2000 Indians were actually pretty smart. When these people moved into positions of management, they were able to start the process of nepotistic hiring of mediocre people. That continues even through today, with whole IT departments having become totally foreignized. You'll notice a huge difference in ability between the smarter pre-2000 Indians (mostly hired by Americans) and the much more mediocre post-2000 Indians (mostly hired by fellow Indians of similar caste and language).

    Y2k demonstrated to American employers that they could make effective use of cheap, competent Indian programmers. That's what enabled the Indian managers to start outsourcing back home and insourcing H-1bs.
    , @Peripatetic commenter

    As time went on the Indians that were here in the US got into management. And what do you think they did? They hired their friends and relatives. Bribes and kickbacks are the norm, thats how business works in India. It was/is on a scale that is unimaginable.
     
    Correct. And don't forget Pakistan!
    , @Bleuteaux
    Excellent comment. Lost in some of this IT talk, sometimes, is the fact that this has trickled down to every other department. I work in a non-IT field and we're about 15-20% Indian, at least.

    The other sort of unreported thing happening is that IT systems stopped evolving at least a decade or two ago, at least at my Fortune 100 company. So you have white guys in non-IT roles forced to spend half their time doing data validation because no one, especially in IT, has a clue what is really going on.
    , @ATX Hipster

    maybe if you hit the tech lottery and have a company that they want to buy out
     
    This is how a lot of fresh grads get suckered in. A lot of college kids say they want to "work for a start-up." So they end up working obscene hours at a "unicorn", eating dinner at the office and doing virtually all of their socializing with their coworkers, because they're "like a family." When the big exit never happens, these people end up pretty bitter (read anything by Michael O. Church).

    These are generally pretty smart kids, but their reasoning is no better than a poor person buying lotto tickets.
    , @Forbes

    Don’t forget to put in a binder and than charge $3K per head for a 2 day seminar.
     
    Is it taught in the nude? I'm wondering what the consultants do to keep you awake after the first 15-minutes...
    , @JackOH
    "Ask me what all this education buys you one when competing against people here on H1B’s for work? Not a whole lot."

    Ex-SE, yep, you got it. My Plans B and C when I was a youngster were to become an electrician or go career military. Roads not taken. I tested well, scholarship money was plentiful, so I easily talked myself into going the college and grad school route.

    Found myself ghettoized in low-end white collar jobs. You know those crummy businesses atop ethnic restaurants in run-down trolley line suburbs? That was me walking up the creaky, ill-lit stairwell. I was cultivating real abilities, I was making genuine contributions within a very small frame, and conned myself into believing I was heading somewhere. Y'know, the part where reward is proportional to effort.

    Went through a boozy patch, did some soul-searching trying to examine my own weaknesses, etc. Towards the end of my sales career I spotted an article saying women now occupied 60% of sales jobs versus 10% in 1970. I'm still trying to process the idea that larger political forces likely played a bigger part in "modulating" my career than I would ever have imagined. Don't like the idea much that individual merit and experience seem to mean less than the demographic cubbyhole you fit into courtesy of our abhorrent politics.
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  62. @Jason Liu
    One of the whitest phrases you'll hear in the corporate world

    Omar was passionate about the woman he wanted to share a loaf of bread and a jug of wine with for eternity in the wilderness, but now “Passionate about…..[insert mundane garbage here"] seems to be boilerplate for any kind of resume or corporate mission statement.

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    Omar was passionate about the woman he wanted to share a loaf of bread and a jug of wine with for eternity in the wilderness, but now “Passionate about…..[insert mundane garbage here"] seems to be boilerplate for any kind of resume or corporate mission statement.
     
    Well said. 'Passion' nowadays is the 'passion to provide oustanding customer service/shareholder-value/some-other-thing-that-no-sane-person-would-be-passionate-about'.

    'Passion' has been devalued as much as has been 'excellence'.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    In the modern day corporate environment, you have to pretend to be extremely "passionate" about whatever the corporation is producing/marketing. If you don't, they can easily fire you and replace you with another worker. Corporations are full of people who hate their job and are there purely for the paycheck, but constantly bull5hit about how they 're "passionate about the company's mission."

    Here's my theory. Mandating employees demonstrate "passion" is like demanding an act of subservience. The employee is demonstrating to the management that he's willing to say and do anything the corporation wants. That makes him more likely to comply with orders and not fight back against management.

    Corporations want docile peons.
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  63. @Yan Shen
    No no, as all of the outrage over the lack of blacks and Hispanics in tech has proven, everyone wants a piece of that Silicon Valley pie, in particular those technical roles that supposedly would benefit tremendously from having more blacks, Hispanics, and women.

    In actuality, despite all of the public outrage and virtue signalling, tech hasn't been able to move the needle much in that direction. What's happened is that they've quietly moved in the opposite direction, i.e. the % of Asian Americans in tech roles in the Bay Area has increased over the past decade and a half to the point where they're actually the majority of those in such roles.

    As I stated above, all of this jives with my general observations of the Bay Area as well. The more technically rigorous the work, the greater the % of Asian Americans in those roles. The whitest areas of most tech companies are in departments like marketing, product, design, sales or the likes. In particular, sales seems to basically be just a gathering of your whitest fraternity and sorority brothers and sisters from back in the day in state school.

    I also think Steve himself is a good example of this sort of technical vs non-technical schism that I alluded to, i.e. worked in marketing for many years after getting an MBA from UCLA, which seems like a very stereotypical white American thing in the business world, and today is a blogger and is someone who clearly skews towards verbal and away from math, etc etc.

    No no, as all of the outrage over the lack of blacks and Hispanics in tech has proven, everyone wants a piece of that Silicon Valley pie, in particular those technical roles […]

    Seems to be an inaccurate take. The ‘outrage’ posturing over NAMs and women being ‘underrepresented’ in actual tech positions isn’t that the aggrieved really want to do that work; they simply want a piece of that sweet Valley money pie— and sadistic social control. Hence the diversity shakedown racket that Steve posted about.

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  64. Mr. Anon says:
    @Bernardista
    Omar was passionate about the woman he wanted to share a loaf of bread and a jug of wine with for eternity in the wilderness, but now "Passionate about.....[insert mundane garbage here"] seems to be boilerplate for any kind of resume or corporate mission statement.

    Omar was passionate about the woman he wanted to share a loaf of bread and a jug of wine with for eternity in the wilderness, but now “Passionate about…..[insert mundane garbage here"] seems to be boilerplate for any kind of resume or corporate mission statement.

    Well said. ‘Passion’ nowadays is the ‘passion to provide oustanding customer service/shareholder-value/some-other-thing-that-no-sane-person-would-be-passionate-about’.

    ‘Passion’ has been devalued as much as has been ‘excellence’.

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    Debased like U.S. citizenship.
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  65. @Ex-Software Engineer
    The diversity business is a nice racket. Put together some power points about how whites are the most racist people on the planet. Exalt the glory of diversity and multiculturalism and proceed to tell whites that they have no choice but to accept their displacement in their own countries. Don't forget to put in a binder and than charge $3K per head for a 2 day seminar. Convince the management in whatever company you have targeted that they should make it MANDATORY. Presto change - you are rolling in the $$$. Do the math - company with 10000 employees x $3K per person.

    What a business.

    As for the decline of whites in tech this is part of a much larger picture which is not mentioned. The decline in whites in tech is directly related to the H1B and offshoring of tech jobs to Asia.

    I have an undergrad in computer engineering and a two masters degrees - one in management science and another in computer science. Ask me what all this education buys you one when competing against people here on H1B's for work? Not a whole lot.

    The general public is not really aware of what has been going on since before the year 2000. Prior to the year 2000 companies were freaking out about what Y2K was going to do to all the systems. They had to check each and every system to make sure it could handle a four digit year. That requires people but at the same time they had all this other work they had to do. At that point thats where India comes in - companies started bringing in thousands of people on the H1B to work on the Y2K. Than Y2K happened or should I say not happened - there was no problem.

    At that point the companies looked up and said - all these Indians we have on H1B are dirt cheap compared to our American employees, lets lay off all the Americans. Which is pretty much what has happened. After Y2K the layoffs really picked up steam. Company after company, industry after industry got rid of their American employees. Realize that the Indians are not superior but what they are though is cheaper. A lot cheaper and if you are on an H1B its basically a license to abuse you.

    As time went on the Indians that were here in the US got into management. And what do you think they did? They hired their friends and relatives. Bribes and kickbacks are the norm, thats how business works in India. It was/is on a scale that is unimaginable. It exploded actually and Americans were systematically pushed out. It just continued to grow to the point that now pretty much every IT department in every company is almost completely Indian.

    Don't get me wrong there is a sprinkling of Americans but its nowhere near like it used to be. Most Americans are gone unless you have specific specialty skills. You can't be just a programmer any more. There are tons and tons of Indian consulting companies who have connections into lots of companies via their friends and families. Basically in these companies if you are not Indian you are not getting hired. Thats how it works.

    At the same time this is happening white Americans are told they are most racist people on the planet but all the other ethnic groups are working cohesively together but whites are told that its illegal for them to do the same thing the other groups are doing. Nice, huh...

    So now its been 17 years since Y2K and frankly you have to have rocks in your head to want to get into technology. Have all this education to have to compete with foreigners in your own country and offshore for work for the rest of your life? NO THANKS. The media likes to portray Silly Valley as having streets paved with gold. Um, maybe if you hit the tech lottery and have a company that they want to buy out. But thats not the norm for the most part. A lot of it has to do with luck and being in the right place and right time, not hard work. Most companies are not Google, Apple and Facebook.

    People like to say Americans are stupid but they aren't that stupid. Young Americans looked around and realize that tech is a dead end career. They have seen their parents, parents friends and siblings laid off and replaced. You are going to spend crazy amounts of $$ on college and be told over and over how horrible you are? Than you can't find a job due to the H1B and offshoring. For what reason are you doing this?

    No thanks, I say go learn a trade.

    If you are smart enough to do engineering you are smart enough to do something else. Heck, most plumbers and electricians I know make more money than any corporate guy and they have a lot less stress. Nobody bothering you and nobody threatening to lay you off. You will be better off and will have a good life.

    As a friend who is an electrician said - if you aggravate me. I pack up my tools and leave. By the time I get to my truck they are begging me to come back.

    I have been working w Dell to fix a comp hardware issue. Have talked w 12-15 people in the troubleshooting/shipping/repair etc process. All Indian.

    I have native white friends who have been writing code for 25 yrs and are unemployed.

    Aint it wunderful

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  66. Moses says:
    @Yan Shen
    As someone who works in tech in the Bay Area, albeit not as a programmer, I've experienced first hand the ideological echo chamber that is Silicon Valley. Conservative points of view are routinely demonized and not given a platform and those brave enough to defend such views risk being ostracized or worse.

    The somewhat good news is that the diversity initiatives and anti-bias workshops are mostly more of an annoyance rather than things that have actually hurt the top companies from a productivity and bottom line perspective. Despite all of the outrage over the lack of diversity, Silicon Valley hasn't been able to significantly increase the percentage of blacks, Hispanics, and women in tech roles beyond what they've traditionally been at.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2012/11/29/asian-workers-now-dominate-silicon-valley-tech-jobs/

    What has happened though is that the % of Asian Americans, primarily East and South Asians, has steadily increased in tech roles in the Bay Area to the point that they're actually the majority overall. A little reported fact in all of the diversity brouhaha is that whites are actually also under-represented in tech, although obviously not to the extent that blacks and Hispanics are.


    Asian-Americans make up half of the Bay Area’s technology workforce, and their double-digit employment gains came from jobs lost among white tech workers, according to an analysis by this newspaper of Census Bureau data released Thursday.

    The dramatic shift in the changing composition of the high-tech workforce represents a new generation of homegrown and imported workers drilled in science, technology, engineering and math studies. But the shift in workplace demographics — at least among tech companies — fails to reflect the gains of California’s Hispanic and Latino population, which lost ground in tech jobs along with African-Americans.

    “It’s the new world — a world in which whites are not the majority,” said Jan English-Lueck, associate dean of the college of social sciences at San Jose State University, who is also co-founder of the Silicon Valley Cultures Project. “Other people are being displaced.”
     

    This seems to make sense to me. I've always observed that whenever the work required increases in degree of quantitative and technical rigor, the over-representation of Asian Americans increases as well! For instance, I remarked in an earlier thread that the whitest parts of most tech companies in the Bay Area are in departments like marketing, sales, product, design, or the likes. Even the illustrious writer of this blog, Mr. Steve Sailer, worked in marketing for a number of years after getting an MBA from Rice, IIRC.

    So the bottom line is that Silicon Valley seems to be virtue signalling one thing, but in actuality doing something else, namely slowly increasing the percentage of Asian Americans in their technical workforce.

    I, for one, welcome our new Asian quant overlords.

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    new... overlords
     
    One problem is that the Yan Shens of the world don't want to lord over you; they want to replace you.
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  67. black sea says:
    @silviosilver

    "Why Are You Passionate About Working on Diversity and Inclusion?"
     
    Because I'm white and there's no better feeling than rising in social status over my white peers by being perceived as more enlightened than them?

    Oh, and also, since "this revolution will be massively incentivized," I figured I could make a killing at the same time.

    Shouldn’t her slide read, “Why you’d better be passionate about working on diversity and inclusion”?

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  68. Camlost says:

    Microsoft and Google also love the H-1b’s because they will go out to Redmond or Silicon Valley for a 6-month contract at the drop of a dime, for average wages.

    Whites won’t go out to the West Coast and live in a dreary extended stay hotel for that kind of mediocre money $$, they have ties to the areas where they were raised.

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  69. Camlost says:
    @unpc downunder
    Another factor. In places where property prices are very high, Whites tend to move out and Asians move in. This isn't just occurring in Silicon Valley. It's happening in every crowded, expensive part of the Anglosphere.

    Whites hate having to spend all their money on property, when they could be spending on sports, hobbies, travel, pets, etc. In contrast, most Asians don't seem to mind that much.

    Another factor. In places where property prices are very high, Whites tend to move out and Asians move in. This isn’t just occurring in Silicon Valley. It’s happening in every crowded, expensive part of the Anglosphere.

    This is partly because Asians will have 3 generations living in a crammed household, 4 brothers all working and supporting/housing mother and grandpa/grandma… all in the same household.

    Western Whites don’t like living in close quarters with extended family that way, with the exception of some Southern Europeans.

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    Bingo. As someone lives in a formerly majority white community, I always notice the elderly Asians and Sub-Continenters walking the streets. More often than not, they're still wearing traditional dress. I live in a neighborhood of 4000 sq foot homes so they must be making full time use of a part time guest room.
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  70. @Neoconned
    I work 3 jobs, all in the food service restaurant industry. 2 of these jobs are cooking at 2 different fast food establishments. I live in the Deep South, near New Orleans. Today it was 92 degrees F.....humidity was near 100 pc. We consider LA cold & Arizona simply warm.

    I woke up at 4am today and walked a mile to McD's. I walk in the road this time of yr because the sidewalk has Cottonmouth "water moccasin" snakes and Copperheads that like to hide in the grass at the edge. Almost stepped on 4 or 5 just in the past month. These are species of pit vipers.

    I get to work right away at five. I change six 40pound towel buckets. Thats the 1st task. I burn my hands often from the scalding water. Then often spill it on my shoes.

    Next task is going to scrub the public toilets w bleach solution. This isnt so bad as i wear gloves & get to listen to oldies and classic rock on the satellite radio feed. Moderately relaxing. But still, scrubbing shit off the walls and penile, vaginal, and anal fluids and urine off the toilets is hardly fun much less noble.

    This must be done by 6am. At 6 i go and clean the parking lot. This is the nicest part of my entire day. Its much cooler in the morning. About 70-75F but still muggy. I still have to dodge cars, occasionally put up w drunk or mental case guests, and clean broken glass, cigarette butts, beer bottles, used diapers and tampons, condoms, and spilled food along with other random assorted trash.

    I then go lift the 25 lb doors of the dumpster and empty all this shit out.

    Next i go inside and assemble and break down all discarded boxes and trash. Trash goes in a trash compactor. I cart the boxes to the dumpster on a push cart thing. Back & forth its an eighth of a mile just doing that. Next comes the compactor. If there are cars in the drive thru u wait for them to pass. The customer is always right as my management says. Even if its 85f outside and you're sweating like in a sauna.

    You wear hot black pants, even in high summer.

    I throw the boxes into the dumpster and then use the hydraulic lift to raise the compressed trash up. I then remove a ring and ease the baled trash into the dumpster.

    If the ring falls in the dumpster guess whos going in after it. If the trash bale falls early & spills everywhere guess who's grabbing a broom/dustpan....

    Then bring the cart and compactor back in. Set the annoying door alarm & then double bag the compactor & spending 2-3 min monkeying it into the slots that it has to go into.

    Next i sweep AND mop this area.

    Now its 7am. From here to 930-950am i filter the fryers.

    That means lugging the greasy grease bins to the back, spraying them out and changing out the cleaning pad, magnesium coating, and unplugging all the holes fikled with grease and crumbs. Then lugging these bulky 50 lb containers BACK AND THEN you start filtering. Be careful, oil is expensive. I filter and change oil only as needed and must ask permission before changing each vat from manager on duty.

    When filtering, you often get dripping hot grease onto your hands and arms. Grease burns are common. Each vat must filter 5min minimum. Each vat must be immaculate to get signed off on. I cant begin to tell you what a bitch this is.

    After this i go to grill. My neurotic bipolar boss gives me literally 3-4 jobs to do @ once.

    Not only do i cook food and sweat like a pig in front of the 200 degree grill but i must maintain as clean a work station as possible. You are often asked to do stupid nitpick jobs the teenyboppers up front are too incompetent to do. This includes bringing up ice, changing trash, stocking the fries or the fry station, cleaning lobby, printing numerous "date & time" stickers to put on ingredient & food containers to meet health dept regulation, etc

    All this on top of cooking food REAL FAST so the line doesn't get jammed up. Im usually off at 2.

    I eat lunch in the lobby. I often fall asleep sitting up watching tv in the lobby due to exhaustion. I leave & walk half an hr to my 2nd job at a pizza place. I work til eight when i go home. Thats my side job.

    I wash dishes out of boredom when orders slow.

    This the tranny delivery driver literally whines about doing because he/she doesn't want to chip a nail or get grime or grease on their clothes.

    On weekdays my 3rd job is washing dishes at a college cafeteria.

    Thats a part time gig.

    You get the picture

    I'll spare you the routine of that job but McD's is preferable and i just told you what a hell that is. At the end of the day i walk a mile back home to the 80-90pc black slum i live in.

    They leave me alone because i threatened the drug dealers on my street when they threatened me and my family because they thought i was a policeman (lol) or an informer. Dont have many problems with them any more. Go to bed, rinse repeat.

    Now, the question I'm dying to ask: how the hell do i get in on this racket? Sitting in front of a PowerPoint and talking some scripted shit my boss wrote for me.

    Last year after taxes i think i cleared $8500-10k

    Im assuming these rentiers make in the range of $150-200k per yr....

    Ill work for a fifth to a quarter of what they make and work triple the hours and still triple what i make doing 3 lousy restaurant jobs.....

    Seriously i want in, I'd put these goldbrickers on the unemployment line within a week....

    Great post. Thank you for writing it. Expanded this could make a whole Unz piece. It would make a whole Guardian piece with a bit of PC sanitising.

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  71. @Erik L
    The silicon valley ideal for money making (at least my version of it) hardly every happens in practice. A friend of mine stumbled into being a lawyer here, happened to work with some entrepreneurs who had some success early, one thing leads to another...eventual he cofounds a company making, admittedly real tech but, something I couldn't quite make sense of business wise. What I mean is, if an unknown person had pitched it, no way.

    Early on they get a tens of millions of dollars buyout offer from Google. A few years later Google shuts it down. So now a bunch of guys are rich because they worked on something that looked like it had a chance of being really useful if you could just figure out how, but which never and will never get to the stage of customers spending more on it that the business cost to run (my former assumption and definition of success).

    I can see where some diverse types might say they could easily do something just as useless if only they had the connections and reputation needed to induce Google to brain fart out some pocket change to them.

    “Early on they get a tens of millions of dollars buyout offer from Google. A few years later Google shuts it down.”

    This is SOP for many large companies, not just Google. A bunch of sales people I used to do work for at a large company left and set up their own sales recruitment company. Few years later they were bought out for cash by another large company, who ran it into the ground. But the guy who set the company up runs a yacht and hasn’t needed to work since.

    btw, when Yan Shen talks of Asians in IT, does he mean East Asians or South Asians? Very different people.

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    These days that's increasingly the official model for success in SV. Build a proof of concept and hope that someone rich buys you out; to some extent, this has always been the case - this cash-easy model led to the dot.com boom and collapse.

    I do like what you noted how large companies can run it down; often enough the proof of concept is quite good, but larger companies have no idea or interest in operating then, and indeed, one of the days to deal with potential competition is simply to buy it out and let it die. The larger company gets to squeeze out some more value, the founder gets rich, and the only people who get screwed are the customers and employees.

    Unfortunately, I don't think this will change. This is by far the best return of investment for time for your average SV inventor/founder type, I've known people who have repeated this over three times and are insanely wealthy. This isn't just for small companies, there are even executive-types that specialize in going into larger legacy companies, and turning it into a product to sell to one of the huge conglomerates.

    This usually screwed a huge number of the legacy employees(add immigration and/or outsourcing woes, etc, but its just one of many ways the legacy employees get shafted), but it ends with happy shareholders and a rich executive team. So as long as the incentives line up for that business model, it'll continue to proliferate.

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  72. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Whiskey
    Iirc, Giraldi argued Jews should be forced to wear the star of David on TV and called Jewish views rat poison . Hmmmm where have I seen that before?

    Iirc, Giraldi argued Jews should be forced to wear the star of David on TV and called Jewish views rat poison

    Yes! Iirc he stated that they also drink the blood of Gentile children. The man is insane.

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  73. Medvedev says:

    large company, who ran it into the ground

    Not necessarily. Most startup wouldn’t have survived without turning profits anyway.

    Companies like Google have tens of thousands of employees working on supporting and improving current infrastructure, die-hard SJW HRs and senior management whose only concern are profits. Those companies lost innovative drive, but have a monopoly and generate tens of billions of dollars every year. And the biggest fear they have that there is next Facebook or Google somewhere in the basement that may challenge their dominance.What corporations do?

    1. Spend billions buying up startups or on crazy ideas inside the company.
    2. Most of it will turn out to be crap. But corporations don’t mind wasting billions of dollars. What they really fear is being challenged by competition. That’s how Yahoo went downhill (once valued at 200bln and sold to Verizon for mere 4 bln) and lost to Google,
    IE lost to Chrome, how Google+ & MySpace lost to Facebook.
    3. One out of hundreds or thousands succeeds and starts generating billions and gives corporation even more control (Youtube, Android acquisition by Google, Instagram & WhatsApp by Facebook).

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    One out of hundreds or thousands succeeds and starts generating billions and gives corporation even more control..
     
    Right, but one thing to note that the same lack of innovative drive actually strangles even normal operations of development on acquired products, to some extent, actually reducing its functionality and making it less viable against competition: Skype comes to mind as an example.

    On rare occasions, the founder will then rebuild the same product, brand it with a different name, and compete against the acquirer successfully. At which point, corporations tend to turn to much less "nice" methods and utilize litigation to destroy the new entrant.

    Its all quite ugly from having seen it from the inside. This, incidentally, is how I lost my initial wide-eyed "passion" for technology after seeing how it really operated.

    , @Nico

    But corporations don’t mind wasting billions of dollars. What they really fear is being challenged by competition. That’s how Yahoo went downhill (once valued at 200bln and sold to Verizon for mere 4 bln) and lost to Google, IE lost to Chrome, how Google+ & MySpace lost to Facebook.
     
    Above all Yahoo!'s demise was precipitated by the fact that by and large their products were not very good and therefore their grip on the market was easy to split open. Even in the heyday most denizens got into Yahoo! out of sheer laziness in that it was the first thing they heard of and it hadn't occurred to them to shop around, and stuck with them out of sheer laziness. I remember a lot more moves away from Yahoo! than in the other direction. In any event, sophisticates were constantly on the lookout for alternatives and latched onto them as soon as they could. Eventually they would hit something that would prove both infinitely more attractive to new internautes - of which there were still many from 2000 to 2005 - and not too painful to transition to when the older users got sick of Yahoo!'s mediocrity and finally decided to try this great new thing everyone was talking about. The same could be said for Internet Explorer (which was tainted by Microsoft's image problems) and MySpace (which was tainted by the customizable HTML that could by very artfully handled but usually ended up making its very mediocre default look terrific), and Google+ was loathed from the getgo.
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  74. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Diversity is so good its required by law. You may not hate it yet, but wait until some sociology major shows you 65 powerpoint slides about her love of ethnic food and how you have to put up with slackers getting in your way because she doesn’t want to make it at home. Where would women be if not for powerpoint? Their absurd premises wouldn’t seem the same without clip art. That exceptional case paradigm based on the set of one would seem much crazier without an electronic picture show to watch while you ignore her. Powerpoint has let more women in the door. Bill Gates must pay for this somehow…

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  75. @Yan Shen
    Honestly I would've assumed the opposite, i.e. East Asians outnumber South Asians in tech as opposed to Wall Street. Are you sure the ratio in Silicon Valley is 3:1 South Asian:East Asian? Even with Indians disproportionately dominating the H-1B visa racket, I was under the general impression that the ratio was still close to 1 to 1, but I could be wrong here and wouldn't be surprised if I was, haha.

    According to the US govt stats, South Asians (almost all Indian) get about 70% of H-1b visas. East/Southeast Asians get about 15% of H-1bs.

    https://www.recode.net/2017/4/13/15281170/china-india-tech-h1b-visas

    However, among American-raised programmers, Asians probably outnumber Indians. There’s just such a massive inflow of H-1bs that this skews everything.

    From my experience, Indians seem to be at least 35% of the programmers at lots of elite tech companies.

    In Silicon Valley (which is even more foreignized than where I live), I’d estimate Indian subcons outnumber Asians by 3:1 or maybe 2:1. 1:1 sounds a little low.

    Wall Street has lots of Asians because they recruit mainly at Ivy League colleges, which have lots of Asian students. There are Indians there too (especially at the MBA level), but fewer than Asians.

    At the more elite levels of Wall Street, Indians seem to outnumber Asians. This is even more true in Silicon Valley, which has LOTS of Indian in senior roles.

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    According to the US govt stats, South Asians (almost all Indian) get about 70% of H-1b visas.
     
    Hindu-1B visa.
    , @Yan Shen
    https://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21716630-not-good-argument-against-them-h-1b-visas-do-mainly-go-indian-outsourcing

    Not necessarily defending the H-1B visa here, but it does seem like a large chunk of H-1B visas go to Indian outsourcing firms like Infosys or Tata or the likes, as opposed to American firms... So I suspect that this mitigates the damage somewhat.


    Analysing data compiled by Théo Négri of jobsintech.io, The Economist found that between 2012 and 2015 the three biggest Indian outsourcing firms—TCS, Wipro and Infosys—submitted over 150,000 visa applications for positions that paid a median salary of $69,500. In contrast, America’s five biggest tech firms—Apple, Amazon, Facebook, Google and Microsoft—submitted just 31,000 applications, and proposed to pay their workers a median salary of $117,000.
     
    Yeah I mean honestly I'm not sure whether or not East Asians outnumber South Asians if you include H-1B numbers. My general impression has been that at the companies I've worked at, East Asians have outnumbered South Asians, but obviously that's hardly scientific. (I've worked at a couple of well known tech companies in the Bay Area, although not the giants like Google or Facebook or the likes. Think more of companies that have 2000-3500 or so employees.)

    Agree that in general South Asians seem to be better at climbing corporate ladders relative to East Asians, whether in tech or finance or whatever else. I think although East Asians are over-represented at the analyst level in investment banking for instance, since as you pointed out the big banks like to recruit fresh grads from target schools, their numbers drop as you go higher up the hierarchy. I suspect that East Asians aren't necessarily as well cut out for the kind of networking/schmoozing/socializing as South Asians are, who tend to be more extroverted and verbally fluent.

    , @Autochthon

    Asians probably outnumber Indians.
     
    Birds probably outnumber parrots, too. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    , @Daniel Chieh
    South Asians far exceed East Asians at all higher levels in my experience; I am the only East Asian at my level in a multinational financial corp. The only other East Asians even of comparable level at women and pretty much obvious diversity padding hires much like the famous Chairwoman Pao of Reddit.

    3:1 might work if counting those female diversity hires; without doing so and removing South Asian women(who admittedly do make a large number of diversity hires as well), I'll say its closer to 5:1 or even 7:1.

    I do think that the East Asians are generally more productive, but corporate success is very loosely tied to customer satisfaction in the tech fields when many large companies have a death grip and can operate essentially like a quasi-governmental agency thanks to "taxes" incoming due to entrenched contracts and as noted by some other posters, the model for smaller companies is to sell out as soon as possible.
    , @bomag
    Interesting posts.

    All this immigration and ethnic boosterism is in the name of merit and economics, but are we getting the value promised? I suspect we could have gotten close to the same result with a more native workforce that would have avoided the ethnic enclaves that skew politically left; compete for resources with my kids; and lessen the Anglo-European influence that everyone seems to want but no one wants to maintain.
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  76. @Bernardista
    Omar was passionate about the woman he wanted to share a loaf of bread and a jug of wine with for eternity in the wilderness, but now "Passionate about.....[insert mundane garbage here"] seems to be boilerplate for any kind of resume or corporate mission statement.

    In the modern day corporate environment, you have to pretend to be extremely “passionate” about whatever the corporation is producing/marketing. If you don’t, they can easily fire you and replace you with another worker. Corporations are full of people who hate their job and are there purely for the paycheck, but constantly bull5hit about how they ‘re “passionate about the company’s mission.”

    Here’s my theory. Mandating employees demonstrate “passion” is like demanding an act of subservience. The employee is demonstrating to the management that he’s willing to say and do anything the corporation wants. That makes him more likely to comply with orders and not fight back against management.

    Corporations want docile peons.

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    Absolutely. Simply not grinning enough at meetings will handily land uou in dicussions with the boss or the HR Lady about how you are not sufficiently “engaged” with your work, even if you are the most hardworking and competent person in the place regarding actual work. Women’s complete infestation and moulding of everything – most especially the so-called “HR” function – now means mugging it up for the latest baby-shower or “team-building” event is far more important than building databases well.
    , @Jack D
    “He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother”

    Orwell, 1984

    You have to learn to stop struggling and love Diversity. If you struggle you will be crushed like a Damore but if you learn to love Diversity with all your heart then all doors will open for you (well, not all doors but the ones that are still available to white men).
    , @Anonymous
    Have you ever witnessed a Walmart pep talk?

    They all gather around a manager and do a strange routine of clapping and yelling. You have to pretend you are ultra-excited to be working a minimum wage gig, and I guess the enthusiasm is part of the job. I saw them doing this once and was amazed something like that is even legal. Im not sure but somebody told me they need to do this routine every morning.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_KA9LqsHSfY
    , @Mr. Anon

    Corporations want docile peons.
     
    I can't think of a single large organization that doesn't want docile peons. A lot of smaller organizations want them too.
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  77. ussr andy says:

    to every religion its indulgencies market, lol. plus ça change…
    there’s not too much Enlightenment, there’s too little.

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  78. @JohnnyWalker123
    According to the US govt stats, South Asians (almost all Indian) get about 70% of H-1b visas. East/Southeast Asians get about 15% of H-1bs.

    https://www.recode.net/2017/4/13/15281170/china-india-tech-h1b-visas

    However, among American-raised programmers, Asians probably outnumber Indians. There's just such a massive inflow of H-1bs that this skews everything.

    From my experience, Indians seem to be at least 35% of the programmers at lots of elite tech companies.

    In Silicon Valley (which is even more foreignized than where I live), I'd estimate Indian subcons outnumber Asians by 3:1 or maybe 2:1. 1:1 sounds a little low.

    Wall Street has lots of Asians because they recruit mainly at Ivy League colleges, which have lots of Asian students. There are Indians there too (especially at the MBA level), but fewer than Asians.

    At the more elite levels of Wall Street, Indians seem to outnumber Asians. This is even more true in Silicon Valley, which has LOTS of Indian in senior roles.

    According to the US govt stats, South Asians (almost all Indian) get about 70% of H-1b visas.

    Hindu-1B visa.

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  79. @Ex-Software Engineer
    The diversity business is a nice racket. Put together some power points about how whites are the most racist people on the planet. Exalt the glory of diversity and multiculturalism and proceed to tell whites that they have no choice but to accept their displacement in their own countries. Don't forget to put in a binder and than charge $3K per head for a 2 day seminar. Convince the management in whatever company you have targeted that they should make it MANDATORY. Presto change - you are rolling in the $$$. Do the math - company with 10000 employees x $3K per person.

    What a business.

    As for the decline of whites in tech this is part of a much larger picture which is not mentioned. The decline in whites in tech is directly related to the H1B and offshoring of tech jobs to Asia.

    I have an undergrad in computer engineering and a two masters degrees - one in management science and another in computer science. Ask me what all this education buys you one when competing against people here on H1B's for work? Not a whole lot.

    The general public is not really aware of what has been going on since before the year 2000. Prior to the year 2000 companies were freaking out about what Y2K was going to do to all the systems. They had to check each and every system to make sure it could handle a four digit year. That requires people but at the same time they had all this other work they had to do. At that point thats where India comes in - companies started bringing in thousands of people on the H1B to work on the Y2K. Than Y2K happened or should I say not happened - there was no problem.

    At that point the companies looked up and said - all these Indians we have on H1B are dirt cheap compared to our American employees, lets lay off all the Americans. Which is pretty much what has happened. After Y2K the layoffs really picked up steam. Company after company, industry after industry got rid of their American employees. Realize that the Indians are not superior but what they are though is cheaper. A lot cheaper and if you are on an H1B its basically a license to abuse you.

    As time went on the Indians that were here in the US got into management. And what do you think they did? They hired their friends and relatives. Bribes and kickbacks are the norm, thats how business works in India. It was/is on a scale that is unimaginable. It exploded actually and Americans were systematically pushed out. It just continued to grow to the point that now pretty much every IT department in every company is almost completely Indian.

    Don't get me wrong there is a sprinkling of Americans but its nowhere near like it used to be. Most Americans are gone unless you have specific specialty skills. You can't be just a programmer any more. There are tons and tons of Indian consulting companies who have connections into lots of companies via their friends and families. Basically in these companies if you are not Indian you are not getting hired. Thats how it works.

    At the same time this is happening white Americans are told they are most racist people on the planet but all the other ethnic groups are working cohesively together but whites are told that its illegal for them to do the same thing the other groups are doing. Nice, huh...

    So now its been 17 years since Y2K and frankly you have to have rocks in your head to want to get into technology. Have all this education to have to compete with foreigners in your own country and offshore for work for the rest of your life? NO THANKS. The media likes to portray Silly Valley as having streets paved with gold. Um, maybe if you hit the tech lottery and have a company that they want to buy out. But thats not the norm for the most part. A lot of it has to do with luck and being in the right place and right time, not hard work. Most companies are not Google, Apple and Facebook.

    People like to say Americans are stupid but they aren't that stupid. Young Americans looked around and realize that tech is a dead end career. They have seen their parents, parents friends and siblings laid off and replaced. You are going to spend crazy amounts of $$ on college and be told over and over how horrible you are? Than you can't find a job due to the H1B and offshoring. For what reason are you doing this?

    No thanks, I say go learn a trade.

    If you are smart enough to do engineering you are smart enough to do something else. Heck, most plumbers and electricians I know make more money than any corporate guy and they have a lot less stress. Nobody bothering you and nobody threatening to lay you off. You will be better off and will have a good life.

    As a friend who is an electrician said - if you aggravate me. I pack up my tools and leave. By the time I get to my truck they are begging me to come back.

    From the 70s through the 90s, there were a substantial number of Indian tech workers that migrated to the U.S. Especially after the immigration liberalization of the early 90s. However, the numbers didn’t really start exploding until the year 2000. That was when the Indians began to come in massive, unending numbers.

    Much of this is because the practice of nepotistic hiring. It seems like Indians hire extensively on linguistic/caste lines, so non-Indians get squeezed out. If you’re not from their ethnicity and subgroup, you will not be hired. Simple as that.

    I do think that the pre-2000 Indians were actually pretty smart. When these people moved into positions of management, they were able to start the process of nepotistic hiring of mediocre people. That continues even through today, with whole IT departments having become totally foreignized. You’ll notice a huge difference in ability between the smarter pre-2000 Indians (mostly hired by Americans) and the much more mediocre post-2000 Indians (mostly hired by fellow Indians of similar caste and language).

    Y2k demonstrated to American employers that they could make effective use of cheap, competent Indian programmers. That’s what enabled the Indian managers to start outsourcing back home and insourcing H-1bs.

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    Much of this is because the practice of nepotistic hiring. It seems like Indians hire extensively on linguistic/caste lines, so non-Indians get squeezed out. If you’re not from their ethnicity and subgroup, you will not be hired. Simple as that.

    Old boy network of whites - bad and must be destroyed. Old boy network of every other racial/ethnic group - good. This sounds fair and like a real winner for white people.

    Maybe white people need to start pushing for membership in country clubs or other social clubs of these various racial and ethnic groups. This would force them to be careful about what they say in front of their white members. It would make it harder for people of these other races/ethnicities to speak freely and openly with one another in their social and professional groups, and therefore make it harder for them to form tight cohesive relationships with one another.

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  80. Medvedev says:

    you have to pretend to be extremely “passionate”

    There are managers and HRs, whose only purpose is to preach some vision and company principles (supporting diversity, being passionate, leadership, ownership etc) and oversee whether others adhere to those principles.
    Like diversity officers they don’t do any meaningful work but try to elevate and impose these principles on others. And if you try to challenge these principles you will be sacked, because “you don’t fit and adhere to principles”.

    To get an idea why all of these principles is a complete BS, just answer a few simple questions:

    1. If you needed a heart surgery would you care about this BS? No, you would want to have the right kind of surgeon who is a professional in his field.
    2. If you car needs a repair would you care about this BS? No, you would want to have a professional mechanic who won’t rip you off and fix your car.
    3. If you need a haircut would you care about this BS? No, you would want a decent haircut by a professional hairdresser.

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  81. Eonic says:
    @The Only Catholic Unionist
    "Why Are You Passionate About Working on Diversity and Inclusion?"

    In logic, that's known as a "smuggled premise".

    I think it’s a “leading question” as in “When did you stop beating your wife ?”

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  82. Camlost says:

    Nothing is funnier than being on a conference call and seeing the abuse that the $1 per hour outsourcer Indians in Bangalore get from the high-caste Indians here (especially if they’ve achieved their Green Card and progressed to tech mgmt.)

    It’s one great big dominance dog hump.

    Also – H-1b’s within software will lie on their resume. For their first 4-5 years in the USA you can simply swap any name out for another. I’ve busted the same H-1b on many occasions with alternate resumes floating out there – one for quality assurance and the other for hands-on coding.

    Also, Skype interviewing is finally killing their shady practice of having one person do a phone interview for a position, but then someone else actually shows up to do the job. This was VERY common before around 2008 and a lot of stupid companies were trusting and hired off just a phone interview.

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    a lot of stupid companies were trusting and hired off just a phone interview.

    In 1999, I had a phone interview for a software deelopment position w/ AT&T. The interviewer was a Florida-based, hard-to-understand Chinese female. I was well-qualified, comfortable, confident, spoke well, and correctly answered all questions, but no job offer was forthcoming.

    @neoconned #15: Good post!

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  83. Yan Shen says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    According to the US govt stats, South Asians (almost all Indian) get about 70% of H-1b visas. East/Southeast Asians get about 15% of H-1bs.

    https://www.recode.net/2017/4/13/15281170/china-india-tech-h1b-visas

    However, among American-raised programmers, Asians probably outnumber Indians. There's just such a massive inflow of H-1bs that this skews everything.

    From my experience, Indians seem to be at least 35% of the programmers at lots of elite tech companies.

    In Silicon Valley (which is even more foreignized than where I live), I'd estimate Indian subcons outnumber Asians by 3:1 or maybe 2:1. 1:1 sounds a little low.

    Wall Street has lots of Asians because they recruit mainly at Ivy League colleges, which have lots of Asian students. There are Indians there too (especially at the MBA level), but fewer than Asians.

    At the more elite levels of Wall Street, Indians seem to outnumber Asians. This is even more true in Silicon Valley, which has LOTS of Indian in senior roles.

    https://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21716630-not-good-argument-against-them-h-1b-visas-do-mainly-go-indian-outsourcing

    Not necessarily defending the H-1B visa here, but it does seem like a large chunk of H-1B visas go to Indian outsourcing firms like Infosys or Tata or the likes, as opposed to American firms… So I suspect that this mitigates the damage somewhat.

    Analysing data compiled by Théo Négri of jobsintech.io, The Economist found that between 2012 and 2015 the three biggest Indian outsourcing firms—TCS, Wipro and Infosys—submitted over 150,000 visa applications for positions that paid a median salary of $69,500. In contrast, America’s five biggest tech firms—Apple, Amazon, Facebook, Google and Microsoft—submitted just 31,000 applications, and proposed to pay their workers a median salary of $117,000.

    Yeah I mean honestly I’m not sure whether or not East Asians outnumber South Asians if you include H-1B numbers. My general impression has been that at the companies I’ve worked at, East Asians have outnumbered South Asians, but obviously that’s hardly scientific. (I’ve worked at a couple of well known tech companies in the Bay Area, although not the giants like Google or Facebook or the likes. Think more of companies that have 2000-3500 or so employees.)

    Agree that in general South Asians seem to be better at climbing corporate ladders relative to East Asians, whether in tech or finance or whatever else. I think although East Asians are over-represented at the analyst level in investment banking for instance, since as you pointed out the big banks like to recruit fresh grads from target schools, their numbers drop as you go higher up the hierarchy. I suspect that East Asians aren’t necessarily as well cut out for the kind of networking/schmoozing/socializing as South Asians are, who tend to be more extroverted and verbally fluent.

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  84. Eonic says:
    @anon
    To be fair, Africa's top young mathematician last year was a girl.

    http://www.heraldlive.co.za/news/2016/05/03/cape-town-pupil-named-africas-top-young-mathematician/

    But not a Bantu, as her photo shows only too well !

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  85. @The Alarmist
    Mark Levin spent a few minutes of his Friday show on this and took a few swipes at Giraldi for having the temerity to question the motives of Israel, which he often brands as our best and only ally in the region.

    “…our best and only ally in the region”. probably true. by the by, mark levin. i like. smart guy. constitutionalist.

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    Levin is schizophrenic: He is a reasoned constutionalist and is sane on some domestic policy issues, but is unhinged on pretty much everything else. Often entertaining, but sometimes hard to listen to because he goes off into the deep end. Not nearly as polished as Limbaugh
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  86. JackOH says:

    Good comments all.

    I can only add the original sin of affirmative action, or “diversity and inclusion”, is to allow corporate masters to portray wage- and salary-slashing by massive worker displacement and replacement, and the concomitant social disruption, as a social good thing. By “social disruption” I mean, among other things, a mass of people (White women, Asian Indians, and so on) who’ve been installed in jobs and allowed to falsely believe the White dudes they’ve displaced simply have less merit than they do. “Diversity and inclusion” is a money racket.

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  87. CK says:
    @Hubbub

    Because I like complaining more than constructing?
     
    If all else fails, complain, complain, complain.

    The squeaky wheel gets the baksheesh, for a while.
    Then the squeaky wheel gets replaced and another wheel begins to squeak.
    This is also known as hakuna matata or the great wheel of life.

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  88. trutherator says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    'Bad Behavior' is the new term, replacing the old 'Politically Incorrect'. Wonder what will come next? I bet it will include 'White' and 'Nazi'. But I repeat myself.

    One local tech group organizer posted “behavior” rules for the meetup. They were all really speech rules.

    Meetup.com after the 2016 election notified users they were opening up for activist
    s to organize meetings free. Didn’t bother getting blocked or unpersoned by the Cultural Revolution thought police.

    Will seek alternatives. Suggestions?

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  89. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Neoconned
    I work 3 jobs, all in the food service restaurant industry. 2 of these jobs are cooking at 2 different fast food establishments. I live in the Deep South, near New Orleans. Today it was 92 degrees F.....humidity was near 100 pc. We consider LA cold & Arizona simply warm.

    I woke up at 4am today and walked a mile to McD's. I walk in the road this time of yr because the sidewalk has Cottonmouth "water moccasin" snakes and Copperheads that like to hide in the grass at the edge. Almost stepped on 4 or 5 just in the past month. These are species of pit vipers.

    I get to work right away at five. I change six 40pound towel buckets. Thats the 1st task. I burn my hands often from the scalding water. Then often spill it on my shoes.

    Next task is going to scrub the public toilets w bleach solution. This isnt so bad as i wear gloves & get to listen to oldies and classic rock on the satellite radio feed. Moderately relaxing. But still, scrubbing shit off the walls and penile, vaginal, and anal fluids and urine off the toilets is hardly fun much less noble.

    This must be done by 6am. At 6 i go and clean the parking lot. This is the nicest part of my entire day. Its much cooler in the morning. About 70-75F but still muggy. I still have to dodge cars, occasionally put up w drunk or mental case guests, and clean broken glass, cigarette butts, beer bottles, used diapers and tampons, condoms, and spilled food along with other random assorted trash.

    I then go lift the 25 lb doors of the dumpster and empty all this shit out.

    Next i go inside and assemble and break down all discarded boxes and trash. Trash goes in a trash compactor. I cart the boxes to the dumpster on a push cart thing. Back & forth its an eighth of a mile just doing that. Next comes the compactor. If there are cars in the drive thru u wait for them to pass. The customer is always right as my management says. Even if its 85f outside and you're sweating like in a sauna.

    You wear hot black pants, even in high summer.

    I throw the boxes into the dumpster and then use the hydraulic lift to raise the compressed trash up. I then remove a ring and ease the baled trash into the dumpster.

    If the ring falls in the dumpster guess whos going in after it. If the trash bale falls early & spills everywhere guess who's grabbing a broom/dustpan....

    Then bring the cart and compactor back in. Set the annoying door alarm & then double bag the compactor & spending 2-3 min monkeying it into the slots that it has to go into.

    Next i sweep AND mop this area.

    Now its 7am. From here to 930-950am i filter the fryers.

    That means lugging the greasy grease bins to the back, spraying them out and changing out the cleaning pad, magnesium coating, and unplugging all the holes fikled with grease and crumbs. Then lugging these bulky 50 lb containers BACK AND THEN you start filtering. Be careful, oil is expensive. I filter and change oil only as needed and must ask permission before changing each vat from manager on duty.

    When filtering, you often get dripping hot grease onto your hands and arms. Grease burns are common. Each vat must filter 5min minimum. Each vat must be immaculate to get signed off on. I cant begin to tell you what a bitch this is.

    After this i go to grill. My neurotic bipolar boss gives me literally 3-4 jobs to do @ once.

    Not only do i cook food and sweat like a pig in front of the 200 degree grill but i must maintain as clean a work station as possible. You are often asked to do stupid nitpick jobs the teenyboppers up front are too incompetent to do. This includes bringing up ice, changing trash, stocking the fries or the fry station, cleaning lobby, printing numerous "date & time" stickers to put on ingredient & food containers to meet health dept regulation, etc

    All this on top of cooking food REAL FAST so the line doesn't get jammed up. Im usually off at 2.

    I eat lunch in the lobby. I often fall asleep sitting up watching tv in the lobby due to exhaustion. I leave & walk half an hr to my 2nd job at a pizza place. I work til eight when i go home. Thats my side job.

    I wash dishes out of boredom when orders slow.

    This the tranny delivery driver literally whines about doing because he/she doesn't want to chip a nail or get grime or grease on their clothes.

    On weekdays my 3rd job is washing dishes at a college cafeteria.

    Thats a part time gig.

    You get the picture

    I'll spare you the routine of that job but McD's is preferable and i just told you what a hell that is. At the end of the day i walk a mile back home to the 80-90pc black slum i live in.

    They leave me alone because i threatened the drug dealers on my street when they threatened me and my family because they thought i was a policeman (lol) or an informer. Dont have many problems with them any more. Go to bed, rinse repeat.

    Now, the question I'm dying to ask: how the hell do i get in on this racket? Sitting in front of a PowerPoint and talking some scripted shit my boss wrote for me.

    Last year after taxes i think i cleared $8500-10k

    Im assuming these rentiers make in the range of $150-200k per yr....

    Ill work for a fifth to a quarter of what they make and work triple the hours and still triple what i make doing 3 lousy restaurant jobs.....

    Seriously i want in, I'd put these goldbrickers on the unemployment line within a week....

    At first, I thought “oh God, another novella-length iSteve comment” but my interest never flagged. How did someone as intelligent as you end up in a situation like that? Very few food service workers can write well, much less use words like “rentier” properly.

    Someone here should offer you accommodations in a cleaner, safer area. Maybe I should, though I’m sort of afraid of strangers.

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    How did i end up in fast food again?

    My family begs me not to leave. My grandmother is a hundred and i don't want to leave her alone.

    As for other reasons, i dont make excuses for the most part but i do hold the unprosecuted crooks in the Bush Administration responsible as the main explanation rather than reason or excuse.

    Throw in Katrina dropping a 90ft oak tree onto my old house, the Bush depression slash economic crash combined w Obama's mediocre at best response to Bush's downturn.....

    Then there was the oil spill that screwed this region. A LOTTA ppl who used to work on shrimp/oyster/fishing boats, processing plants or in the service or trucking of said products now compete for what few jobs are left.

    Then there are the Puerto Ricans & illegals who came after the storm to do rebuilding work who never left, etc....thats competition. My fellow cook at the pizza place is a white guy who used to clear $15/hr doing insulation & roofing work. Thats gone now. In his own words the white owner hired a Mexican foreman who fired him....now he works fast food.

    Another huge issue is i have a severly mentally ill relative and no, this is the South- there is no asylum that will take him w/o court order. And court orders are very hard to get.

    Did i mention theres a very high statistical possibility God doesn't like me for w/e reason?

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  90. trutherator says: • Website
    @JohnnyWalker123
    In Silicon Valley, I'd bet that South Asians outnumber East Asians by 3:1. In Wall Street, East Asians outnumber South Asians by maybe 2:1.

    The reason is because Silicon Valley is heavily dependent on the H-1b visa workers, who are heavily Indian subcontinental. Wall Street mostly recruits from the Ivy League universities, which have more East Asians than South Asians at the BA level (the groups are about equal at the MBA level). South Asians are more likely to climb the corporate ladder both in Silicon Valley and Wall Street.

    South Asians are more English-fluent and extroverted than East Asians. So they're better talkers, more socially aggressive, and more into schmoozing. South Asians aren't so good looking as a race though, so that limits their opportunities to some extent.

    ooooh. So much stereotyping. And except for some indoctrination-addled minds, I think most of them would agree with you.

    One H1B visa co-worker from India once said to me he “agreed” (with what he thought I was going to say) that he understood that a country would prefer its own citizens in its ruled-making.

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  91. @Trelane
    Chinese theory of mind known also as solipsism. See here grassshopper for example number one:

    https://youtu.be/Queah3jAxeE

    (kidding)

    That’s not a street scene from a city, that’s a close-up of a human ant hill. These are the “small-souled bugmen” or “men without chests”, as C.S. Lewis labelled them. A billion people who don’t have to read the Economist once in their life to still be nothing more than a cluster of of asocial economic units. I can see why it’s the worst kind of White men prefer China and the Chinese over their own people.

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  92. Plus, Silicon Valley will need meta-struggle sessions leaders to lead the struggle session leaders. And so forth and so on.

    So, this is how our world of social justice is held up!

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  93. bomag says:
    @Moses
    I, for one, welcome our new Asian quant overlords.

    new… overlords

    One problem is that the Yan Shens of the world don’t want to lord over you; they want to replace you.

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    And replace they shall.

    Never mind that the Chinese/Japanese have not produced even one:
    - James Watt
    - Gottlieb Daimler
    - Nikola Tesla
    - Werner Heisenberg
    - Max Planck
    - Isaac Newton (that old bugaboo)
    - Charles Darwin
    - Pythagoras
    - Gottfried Leibniz
    - Gregor Mendel
    - Galileo
    - Tim Berners-Lee
    - Wright Brothers
    - Robert Goddard

    I can keep going but you get the idea.

    Despite their lack of history as originators of any breakthrough science or technology upon which modernity rests, and despite a history suggesting an innate lack of curiosity and imagination that drive men to such discoveries, I have no doubt that East Asian superior STEM HBD means the future belongs to them.
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  94. Lurker says:
    @The Alarmist
    Mark Levin spent a few minutes of his Friday show on this and took a few swipes at Giraldi for having the temerity to question the motives of Israel, which he often brands as our best and only ally in the region.

    which he often brands as our best and only ally in the region.

    Did he list any of the vital contributions Israel has made as an ally?

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    Probably live fire testing of American weapon systems.
    , @The Alarmist
    You mean something like strafing the Liberty? Nah, nary a word about that or for that matter what we've reaped for the $250b or so we've given in aid to them since their founding.
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  95. Nico says:
    @Yak-15
    I have seen the numerous posts you have made on the subject of Asians in tech. I work in a similar quantitative field where rewards for excellence and merit are limitless. Some of the smartest people in the world work in firms like mine and the cohorts of employees include many phd level quant types.

    While there is a strong presence of Asians in my business field, they typically do not reside in the highest positions and roles. In fact, of all the senior partners I have interviewed with, met or worked for, I believe I have met one Asian (South) guy who is in a chief role.

    Given the incredibly high test scores of the Asians, it's quite odd that they are not dominating my field. The Asians I have worked with have been extraordinarily brilliant - ones given million dollar scholarships by the Singaporean government to gain Phds but who choose my career area instead. There are few problems that they cannot solve, but there is something lacking, some quality that holds them back from the highest positions.

    IQ has been a mainstay of psychometrics for years but other aspects of neural brilliance tend to be popularly thought of in qualitative and descriptive rather than quantitative and hierarchical terms. Thus, while everyone knows about MBTI, the notion of an EQ to score and rank relative personality winsomeness in absolute quantitative terms is still fairly obscure (though not undeveloped among experts in the field). Nevertheless, it should be fairly intuitive that a successful existence is as much a function of charm and charisma as it is raw cognitive processing power. Looks count in that arena, as well: otherwise, upward of 90% of Hollywood starlets would be wasting away in trailer parks instead of lighting up our screens.

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    I agree that EQ is of high importance for determining success in many fields. However, interaction with other humans is not part of my job whatsoever and being good at talking/emotion-sensing/etc have no bearing on success.

    The main correlates to success I have seen are intelligence, motivation, obsession, creativity and daring. Asians tend to score extremely well in all of those traits to the extent that they can be measured. I am not sure what prevents them from doing extremely well in large numbers.

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  96. @JohnnyWalker123
    Paradigm
    Space (Safe Space, Deal Space, MySpace)
    Synergy
    Diversity
    Global economy
    Acquisition
    Agile
    Leverage
    Results-driven
    Assets
    Innovative
    The Sharing Economy
    Disruptive
    Streamline
    Viral

    If you want to have a successful career in Management Consulting or Venture Capital, I suggest using the above terms constantly.

    Make sure to use those term proactively.

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  97. Lurker says:
    @Thomm
    You are right, of course.

    But keep in mind that race nationalists (of any race) have very left-wing economic views. So race nationalists are not the 'right' in any event.

    Everything is left-wing except for ideologies where small government/free-markets are the central premise.

    Troll.

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  98. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Camlost
    Another factor. In places where property prices are very high, Whites tend to move out and Asians move in. This isn’t just occurring in Silicon Valley. It’s happening in every crowded, expensive part of the Anglosphere.

    This is partly because Asians will have 3 generations living in a crammed household, 4 brothers all working and supporting/housing mother and grandpa/grandma... all in the same household.

    Western Whites don't like living in close quarters with extended family that way, with the exception of some Southern Europeans.

    Bingo. As someone lives in a formerly majority white community, I always notice the elderly Asians and Sub-Continenters walking the streets. More often than not, they’re still wearing traditional dress. I live in a neighborhood of 4000 sq foot homes so they must be making full time use of a part time guest room.

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  99. Nico says:
    @Neoconned
    I work 3 jobs, all in the food service restaurant industry. 2 of these jobs are cooking at 2 different fast food establishments. I live in the Deep South, near New Orleans. Today it was 92 degrees F.....humidity was near 100 pc. We consider LA cold & Arizona simply warm.

    I woke up at 4am today and walked a mile to McD's. I walk in the road this time of yr because the sidewalk has Cottonmouth "water moccasin" snakes and Copperheads that like to hide in the grass at the edge. Almost stepped on 4 or 5 just in the past month. These are species of pit vipers.

    I get to work right away at five. I change six 40pound towel buckets. Thats the 1st task. I burn my hands often from the scalding water. Then often spill it on my shoes.

    Next task is going to scrub the public toilets w bleach solution. This isnt so bad as i wear gloves & get to listen to oldies and classic rock on the satellite radio feed. Moderately relaxing. But still, scrubbing shit off the walls and penile, vaginal, and anal fluids and urine off the toilets is hardly fun much less noble.

    This must be done by 6am. At 6 i go and clean the parking lot. This is the nicest part of my entire day. Its much cooler in the morning. About 70-75F but still muggy. I still have to dodge cars, occasionally put up w drunk or mental case guests, and clean broken glass, cigarette butts, beer bottles, used diapers and tampons, condoms, and spilled food along with other random assorted trash.

    I then go lift the 25 lb doors of the dumpster and empty all this shit out.

    Next i go inside and assemble and break down all discarded boxes and trash. Trash goes in a trash compactor. I cart the boxes to the dumpster on a push cart thing. Back & forth its an eighth of a mile just doing that. Next comes the compactor. If there are cars in the drive thru u wait for them to pass. The customer is always right as my management says. Even if its 85f outside and you're sweating like in a sauna.

    You wear hot black pants, even in high summer.

    I throw the boxes into the dumpster and then use the hydraulic lift to raise the compressed trash up. I then remove a ring and ease the baled trash into the dumpster.

    If the ring falls in the dumpster guess whos going in after it. If the trash bale falls early & spills everywhere guess who's grabbing a broom/dustpan....

    Then bring the cart and compactor back in. Set the annoying door alarm & then double bag the compactor & spending 2-3 min monkeying it into the slots that it has to go into.

    Next i sweep AND mop this area.

    Now its 7am. From here to 930-950am i filter the fryers.

    That means lugging the greasy grease bins to the back, spraying them out and changing out the cleaning pad, magnesium coating, and unplugging all the holes fikled with grease and crumbs. Then lugging these bulky 50 lb containers BACK AND THEN you start filtering. Be careful, oil is expensive. I filter and change oil only as needed and must ask permission before changing each vat from manager on duty.

    When filtering, you often get dripping hot grease onto your hands and arms. Grease burns are common. Each vat must filter 5min minimum. Each vat must be immaculate to get signed off on. I cant begin to tell you what a bitch this is.

    After this i go to grill. My neurotic bipolar boss gives me literally 3-4 jobs to do @ once.

    Not only do i cook food and sweat like a pig in front of the 200 degree grill but i must maintain as clean a work station as possible. You are often asked to do stupid nitpick jobs the teenyboppers up front are too incompetent to do. This includes bringing up ice, changing trash, stocking the fries or the fry station, cleaning lobby, printing numerous "date & time" stickers to put on ingredient & food containers to meet health dept regulation, etc

    All this on top of cooking food REAL FAST so the line doesn't get jammed up. Im usually off at 2.

    I eat lunch in the lobby. I often fall asleep sitting up watching tv in the lobby due to exhaustion. I leave & walk half an hr to my 2nd job at a pizza place. I work til eight when i go home. Thats my side job.

    I wash dishes out of boredom when orders slow.

    This the tranny delivery driver literally whines about doing because he/she doesn't want to chip a nail or get grime or grease on their clothes.

    On weekdays my 3rd job is washing dishes at a college cafeteria.

    Thats a part time gig.

    You get the picture

    I'll spare you the routine of that job but McD's is preferable and i just told you what a hell that is. At the end of the day i walk a mile back home to the 80-90pc black slum i live in.

    They leave me alone because i threatened the drug dealers on my street when they threatened me and my family because they thought i was a policeman (lol) or an informer. Dont have many problems with them any more. Go to bed, rinse repeat.

    Now, the question I'm dying to ask: how the hell do i get in on this racket? Sitting in front of a PowerPoint and talking some scripted shit my boss wrote for me.

    Last year after taxes i think i cleared $8500-10k

    Im assuming these rentiers make in the range of $150-200k per yr....

    Ill work for a fifth to a quarter of what they make and work triple the hours and still triple what i make doing 3 lousy restaurant jobs.....

    Seriously i want in, I'd put these goldbrickers on the unemployment line within a week....

    Now, the question I’m dying to ask: how the hell do i get in on this racket?

    You don’t.

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  100. @JohnnyWalker123
    According to the US govt stats, South Asians (almost all Indian) get about 70% of H-1b visas. East/Southeast Asians get about 15% of H-1bs.

    https://www.recode.net/2017/4/13/15281170/china-india-tech-h1b-visas

    However, among American-raised programmers, Asians probably outnumber Indians. There's just such a massive inflow of H-1bs that this skews everything.

    From my experience, Indians seem to be at least 35% of the programmers at lots of elite tech companies.

    In Silicon Valley (which is even more foreignized than where I live), I'd estimate Indian subcons outnumber Asians by 3:1 or maybe 2:1. 1:1 sounds a little low.

    Wall Street has lots of Asians because they recruit mainly at Ivy League colleges, which have lots of Asian students. There are Indians there too (especially at the MBA level), but fewer than Asians.

    At the more elite levels of Wall Street, Indians seem to outnumber Asians. This is even more true in Silicon Valley, which has LOTS of Indian in senior roles.

    Asians probably outnumber Indians.

    Birds probably outnumber parrots, too. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  101. @JohnnyWalker123
    In the modern day corporate environment, you have to pretend to be extremely "passionate" about whatever the corporation is producing/marketing. If you don't, they can easily fire you and replace you with another worker. Corporations are full of people who hate their job and are there purely for the paycheck, but constantly bull5hit about how they 're "passionate about the company's mission."

    Here's my theory. Mandating employees demonstrate "passion" is like demanding an act of subservience. The employee is demonstrating to the management that he's willing to say and do anything the corporation wants. That makes him more likely to comply with orders and not fight back against management.

    Corporations want docile peons.

    Absolutely. Simply not grinning enough at meetings will handily land uou in dicussions with the boss or the HR Lady about how you are not sufficiently “engaged” with your work, even if you are the most hardworking and competent person in the place regarding actual work. Women’s complete infestation and moulding of everything – most especially the so-called “HR” function – now means mugging it up for the latest baby-shower or “team-building” event is far more important than building databases well.

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    Yes, "engaged." You have to "give 110%" and "show passion" for the company's "mission."

    Not surprisingly, most of the "management-track" employees are professional bull5hitters, politicians, and conmen. These are the type of people that rise to the top of organizations these days.
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  102. L Woods says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Omar was passionate about the woman he wanted to share a loaf of bread and a jug of wine with for eternity in the wilderness, but now “Passionate about…..[insert mundane garbage here"] seems to be boilerplate for any kind of resume or corporate mission statement.
     
    Well said. 'Passion' nowadays is the 'passion to provide oustanding customer service/shareholder-value/some-other-thing-that-no-sane-person-would-be-passionate-about'.

    'Passion' has been devalued as much as has been 'excellence'.

    Debased like U.S. citizenship.

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  103. @JohnnyWalker123
    CIA Officer and Unz columnist Phillip Giraldi recently wrote an interesting article about how Jewish-
    American neoconservatives are driving US wars in the Middle East. He mentioned that Jewish groups and individuals control US politicians, the media, and the entertainmen industry.

    any organization that aspires to be heard on foreign policy knows that to touch the live wire of Israel and American Jews guarantees a quick trip to obscurity. Jewish groups and deep pocket individual donors not only control the politicians, they own and run the media and entertainment industries, meaning that no one will hear about or from the offending party ever again. They are particularly sensitive on the issue of so-called “dual loyalty,” particularly as the expression itself is a bit of a sham since it is pretty clear that some of them only have real loyalty to Israel.
     
    This article was retweeted by CIA spy Valerie Plame, who became extremely famous back during the Bush years.

    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/910923865286725632

    Plame got massive criticism and backtracked.

    Interestingly, the media has hardly any mention of this extremely significant news story.

    One of the country's most prominent CIA officers (and also a very famous media-savy individual) made a comment about who's driving the multi-trillion dollar US wars overseas...... and the media responded with general silence. On the other hand, the Trump-NFL "controversy" is being followed very closely.

    Ron Unz had a comment on this.

    Ron Unz: Offhand I’d say that Valerie Plame is probably about the most famous undercover CIA agent in American history, and during the 2000s her name was regularly on the the front pages. Even this past year, I’ve seen her occasionally mentioned in my morning NYT/WSJ. And we have someone of such reasonable prominence sending out an utterly explosive Tweet with the headline “America’s Jews Are Driving America’s Wars,” then backtracking an hour or two later under massive pressure and apologizing. That certainly seems like a pretty major story.

    Yet the coverage was almost entirely confined to second- or mostly third-rank media outlets, with virtually no significant journalists or foreign policy figures seeming to provide any critical quotes and almost all the shrill attacks I saw coming from people whom I’d never heard of. The only prominent public critics I noticed were Alan Dershowitz and Marc Levin, both especially fanatic Jewish Neocons. And not a single word got into the NYT, the WSJ, or any other top-tier mainstream news outlet.
     

    Martha MacCallum spent a good five minutes clucking her tongue about it with Alan Dershowitz during her show on Fox. That’s somewhat mainstream. Not one mention, of course, of the underlying substance of Giraldi’s arguments: just hysteria and preening about how someone, somewhere, said something negative about Jews, and reactions of the kind you would expect towards the torture and beheading of a litter of kittens or a group of toddlers.

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  104. @YetAnotherAnon
    "Early on they get a tens of millions of dollars buyout offer from Google. A few years later Google shuts it down."

    This is SOP for many large companies, not just Google. A bunch of sales people I used to do work for at a large company left and set up their own sales recruitment company. Few years later they were bought out for cash by another large company, who ran it into the ground. But the guy who set the company up runs a yacht and hasn't needed to work since.

    btw, when Yan Shen talks of Asians in IT, does he mean East Asians or South Asians? Very different people.

    These days that’s increasingly the official model for success in SV. Build a proof of concept and hope that someone rich buys you out; to some extent, this has always been the case – this cash-easy model led to the dot.com boom and collapse.

    I do like what you noted how large companies can run it down; often enough the proof of concept is quite good, but larger companies have no idea or interest in operating then, and indeed, one of the days to deal with potential competition is simply to buy it out and let it die. The larger company gets to squeeze out some more value, the founder gets rich, and the only people who get screwed are the customers and employees.

    Unfortunately, I don’t think this will change. This is by far the best return of investment for time for your average SV inventor/founder type, I’ve known people who have repeated this over three times and are insanely wealthy. This isn’t just for small companies, there are even executive-types that specialize in going into larger legacy companies, and turning it into a product to sell to one of the huge conglomerates.

    This usually screwed a huge number of the legacy employees(add immigration and/or outsourcing woes, etc, but its just one of many ways the legacy employees get shafted), but it ends with happy shareholders and a rich executive team. So as long as the incentives line up for that business model, it’ll continue to proliferate.

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  105. bomag says:
    @unpc downunder
    Another factor. In places where property prices are very high, Whites tend to move out and Asians move in. This isn't just occurring in Silicon Valley. It's happening in every crowded, expensive part of the Anglosphere.

    Whites hate having to spend all their money on property, when they could be spending on sports, hobbies, travel, pets, etc. In contrast, most Asians don't seem to mind that much.

    Whites tend to move out and Asians move in. This isn’t just occurring in Silicon Valley. It’s happening in every crowded, expensive part of the Anglosphere.

    Insofar as the entire planet is becoming more crowded and expensive, this does not bode well for the Anglo-sphere.

    A future where the ghetto wins and Yan Shen is happy doesn’t supply much encouragement.

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  106. Clyde says:
    @Neoconned
    I work 3 jobs, all in the food service restaurant industry. 2 of these jobs are cooking at 2 different fast food establishments. I live in the Deep South, near New Orleans. Today it was 92 degrees F.....humidity was near 100 pc. We consider LA cold & Arizona simply warm.

    I woke up at 4am today and walked a mile to McD's. I walk in the road this time of yr because the sidewalk has Cottonmouth "water moccasin" snakes and Copperheads that like to hide in the grass at the edge. Almost stepped on 4 or 5 just in the past month. These are species of pit vipers.

    I get to work right away at five. I change six 40pound towel buckets. Thats the 1st task. I burn my hands often from the scalding water. Then often spill it on my shoes.

    Next task is going to scrub the public toilets w bleach solution. This isnt so bad as i wear gloves & get to listen to oldies and classic rock on the satellite radio feed. Moderately relaxing. But still, scrubbing shit off the walls and penile, vaginal, and anal fluids and urine off the toilets is hardly fun much less noble.

    This must be done by 6am. At 6 i go and clean the parking lot. This is the nicest part of my entire day. Its much cooler in the morning. About 70-75F but still muggy. I still have to dodge cars, occasionally put up w drunk or mental case guests, and clean broken glass, cigarette butts, beer bottles, used diapers and tampons, condoms, and spilled food along with other random assorted trash.

    I then go lift the 25 lb doors of the dumpster and empty all this shit out.

    Next i go inside and assemble and break down all discarded boxes and trash. Trash goes in a trash compactor. I cart the boxes to the dumpster on a push cart thing. Back & forth its an eighth of a mile just doing that. Next comes the compactor. If there are cars in the drive thru u wait for them to pass. The customer is always right as my management says. Even if its 85f outside and you're sweating like in a sauna.

    You wear hot black pants, even in high summer.

    I throw the boxes into the dumpster and then use the hydraulic lift to raise the compressed trash up. I then remove a ring and ease the baled trash into the dumpster.

    If the ring falls in the dumpster guess whos going in after it. If the trash bale falls early & spills everywhere guess who's grabbing a broom/dustpan....

    Then bring the cart and compactor back in. Set the annoying door alarm & then double bag the compactor & spending 2-3 min monkeying it into the slots that it has to go into.

    Next i sweep AND mop this area.

    Now its 7am. From here to 930-950am i filter the fryers.

    That means lugging the greasy grease bins to the back, spraying them out and changing out the cleaning pad, magnesium coating, and unplugging all the holes fikled with grease and crumbs. Then lugging these bulky 50 lb containers BACK AND THEN you start filtering. Be careful, oil is expensive. I filter and change oil only as needed and must ask permission before changing each vat from manager on duty.

    When filtering, you often get dripping hot grease onto your hands and arms. Grease burns are common. Each vat must filter 5min minimum. Each vat must be immaculate to get signed off on. I cant begin to tell you what a bitch this is.

    After this i go to grill. My neurotic bipolar boss gives me literally 3-4 jobs to do @ once.

    Not only do i cook food and sweat like a pig in front of the 200 degree grill but i must maintain as clean a work station as possible. You are often asked to do stupid nitpick jobs the teenyboppers up front are too incompetent to do. This includes bringing up ice, changing trash, stocking the fries or the fry station, cleaning lobby, printing numerous "date & time" stickers to put on ingredient & food containers to meet health dept regulation, etc

    All this on top of cooking food REAL FAST so the line doesn't get jammed up. Im usually off at 2.

    I eat lunch in the lobby. I often fall asleep sitting up watching tv in the lobby due to exhaustion. I leave & walk half an hr to my 2nd job at a pizza place. I work til eight when i go home. Thats my side job.

    I wash dishes out of boredom when orders slow.

    This the tranny delivery driver literally whines about doing because he/she doesn't want to chip a nail or get grime or grease on their clothes.

    On weekdays my 3rd job is washing dishes at a college cafeteria.

    Thats a part time gig.

    You get the picture

    I'll spare you the routine of that job but McD's is preferable and i just told you what a hell that is. At the end of the day i walk a mile back home to the 80-90pc black slum i live in.

    They leave me alone because i threatened the drug dealers on my street when they threatened me and my family because they thought i was a policeman (lol) or an informer. Dont have many problems with them any more. Go to bed, rinse repeat.

    Now, the question I'm dying to ask: how the hell do i get in on this racket? Sitting in front of a PowerPoint and talking some scripted shit my boss wrote for me.

    Last year after taxes i think i cleared $8500-10k

    Im assuming these rentiers make in the range of $150-200k per yr....

    Ill work for a fifth to a quarter of what they make and work triple the hours and still triple what i make doing 3 lousy restaurant jobs.....

    Seriously i want in, I'd put these goldbrickers on the unemployment line within a week....

    I read your entire post…. many thanks!

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    Thanks Clyde.

    This is about as close as i get to "venting".....
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  107. @Medvedev

    large company, who ran it into the ground
     
    Not necessarily. Most startup wouldn't have survived without turning profits anyway.

    Companies like Google have tens of thousands of employees working on supporting and improving current infrastructure, die-hard SJW HRs and senior management whose only concern are profits. Those companies lost innovative drive, but have a monopoly and generate tens of billions of dollars every year. And the biggest fear they have that there is next Facebook or Google somewhere in the basement that may challenge their dominance.What corporations do?

    1. Spend billions buying up startups or on crazy ideas inside the company.
    2. Most of it will turn out to be crap. But corporations don't mind wasting billions of dollars. What they really fear is being challenged by competition. That's how Yahoo went downhill (once valued at 200bln and sold to Verizon for mere 4 bln) and lost to Google,
    IE lost to Chrome, how Google+ & MySpace lost to Facebook.
    3. One out of hundreds or thousands succeeds and starts generating billions and gives corporation even more control (Youtube, Android acquisition by Google, Instagram & WhatsApp by Facebook).

    One out of hundreds or thousands succeeds and starts generating billions and gives corporation even more control..

    Right, but one thing to note that the same lack of innovative drive actually strangles even normal operations of development on acquired products, to some extent, actually reducing its functionality and making it less viable against competition: Skype comes to mind as an example.

    On rare occasions, the founder will then rebuild the same product, brand it with a different name, and compete against the acquirer successfully. At which point, corporations tend to turn to much less “nice” methods and utilize litigation to destroy the new entrant.

    Its all quite ugly from having seen it from the inside. This, incidentally, is how I lost my initial wide-eyed “passion” for technology after seeing how it really operated.

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  108. Arclight says:

    Progressives have talked themselves into the idea that the ‘diverse’ are automatically oppressed by the existence of white people and that absent this oppression they would be as successful as – nay, even more successful – than the white majority in this country. Thus they try to guilt or force whites into second class status so that the real stars of our society can shine.

    Progressive and mostly upper middle class whites love feeling that they are allies with the oppressed and loudly proclaim it because of the sense of moral superiority they get out of it. In reality, the lower class blacks and latinos whose cause they champion don’t really like them at all, but they’ll gladly take the political benefits of this alliance, which includes a whole new pseudo-religious industry built around diversity training with lots of make-work jobs.

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  109. Ganderson says:
    @Bob Sykes
    If you are an intelligent, ambitious young white male, there is no reason you should go to college, no college, no discipline (even STEM). They hate you and will try to destroy you. You can make a comfortable living as a machinist or electrician, and you will meet sane, non-college, women.

    I agree with the general sentiment of your post. The problem is for those of us lacking in manual dexterity. You would not want to live in a house I wired!

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  110. L Woods says:
    @Bob Sykes
    If you are an intelligent, ambitious young white male, there is no reason you should go to college, no college, no discipline (even STEM). They hate you and will try to destroy you. You can make a comfortable living as a machinist or electrician, and you will meet sane, non-college, women.

    I see this sort of advice dispensed in right-leaning spheres everywhere. I suspect the dispensers have very seldom followed their own advice.

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  111. Deckin says:
    @Neoconned
    I work 3 jobs, all in the food service restaurant industry. 2 of these jobs are cooking at 2 different fast food establishments. I live in the Deep South, near New Orleans. Today it was 92 degrees F.....humidity was near 100 pc. We consider LA cold & Arizona simply warm.

    I woke up at 4am today and walked a mile to McD's. I walk in the road this time of yr because the sidewalk has Cottonmouth "water moccasin" snakes and Copperheads that like to hide in the grass at the edge. Almost stepped on 4 or 5 just in the past month. These are species of pit vipers.

    I get to work right away at five. I change six 40pound towel buckets. Thats the 1st task. I burn my hands often from the scalding water. Then often spill it on my shoes.

    Next task is going to scrub the public toilets w bleach solution. This isnt so bad as i wear gloves & get to listen to oldies and classic rock on the satellite radio feed. Moderately relaxing. But still, scrubbing shit off the walls and penile, vaginal, and anal fluids and urine off the toilets is hardly fun much less noble.

    This must be done by 6am. At 6 i go and clean the parking lot. This is the nicest part of my entire day. Its much cooler in the morning. About 70-75F but still muggy. I still have to dodge cars, occasionally put up w drunk or mental case guests, and clean broken glass, cigarette butts, beer bottles, used diapers and tampons, condoms, and spilled food along with other random assorted trash.

    I then go lift the 25 lb doors of the dumpster and empty all this shit out.

    Next i go inside and assemble and break down all discarded boxes and trash. Trash goes in a trash compactor. I cart the boxes to the dumpster on a push cart thing. Back & forth its an eighth of a mile just doing that. Next comes the compactor. If there are cars in the drive thru u wait for them to pass. The customer is always right as my management says. Even if its 85f outside and you're sweating like in a sauna.

    You wear hot black pants, even in high summer.

    I throw the boxes into the dumpster and then use the hydraulic lift to raise the compressed trash up. I then remove a ring and ease the baled trash into the dumpster.

    If the ring falls in the dumpster guess whos going in after it. If the trash bale falls early & spills everywhere guess who's grabbing a broom/dustpan....

    Then bring the cart and compactor back in. Set the annoying door alarm & then double bag the compactor & spending 2-3 min monkeying it into the slots that it has to go into.

    Next i sweep AND mop this area.

    Now its 7am. From here to 930-950am i filter the fryers.

    That means lugging the greasy grease bins to the back, spraying them out and changing out the cleaning pad, magnesium coating, and unplugging all the holes fikled with grease and crumbs. Then lugging these bulky 50 lb containers BACK AND THEN you start filtering. Be careful, oil is expensive. I filter and change oil only as needed and must ask permission before changing each vat from manager on duty.

    When filtering, you often get dripping hot grease onto your hands and arms. Grease burns are common. Each vat must filter 5min minimum. Each vat must be immaculate to get signed off on. I cant begin to tell you what a bitch this is.

    After this i go to grill. My neurotic bipolar boss gives me literally 3-4 jobs to do @ once.

    Not only do i cook food and sweat like a pig in front of the 200 degree grill but i must maintain as clean a work station as possible. You are often asked to do stupid nitpick jobs the teenyboppers up front are too incompetent to do. This includes bringing up ice, changing trash, stocking the fries or the fry station, cleaning lobby, printing numerous "date & time" stickers to put on ingredient & food containers to meet health dept regulation, etc

    All this on top of cooking food REAL FAST so the line doesn't get jammed up. Im usually off at 2.

    I eat lunch in the lobby. I often fall asleep sitting up watching tv in the lobby due to exhaustion. I leave & walk half an hr to my 2nd job at a pizza place. I work til eight when i go home. Thats my side job.

    I wash dishes out of boredom when orders slow.

    This the tranny delivery driver literally whines about doing because he/she doesn't want to chip a nail or get grime or grease on their clothes.

    On weekdays my 3rd job is washing dishes at a college cafeteria.

    Thats a part time gig.

    You get the picture

    I'll spare you the routine of that job but McD's is preferable and i just told you what a hell that is. At the end of the day i walk a mile back home to the 80-90pc black slum i live in.

    They leave me alone because i threatened the drug dealers on my street when they threatened me and my family because they thought i was a policeman (lol) or an informer. Dont have many problems with them any more. Go to bed, rinse repeat.

    Now, the question I'm dying to ask: how the hell do i get in on this racket? Sitting in front of a PowerPoint and talking some scripted shit my boss wrote for me.

    Last year after taxes i think i cleared $8500-10k

    Im assuming these rentiers make in the range of $150-200k per yr....

    Ill work for a fifth to a quarter of what they make and work triple the hours and still triple what i make doing 3 lousy restaurant jobs.....

    Seriously i want in, I'd put these goldbrickers on the unemployment line within a week....

    I’m sorry, but if you can use the word ‘rentiers’ intelligently in a sentence and you’re still working at McDonald’s or any place like that then either this story’s a crock (and that was the give away), or there’s something else you’re not telling us.

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    You've never spent an extended period of time in the DEEP south have you? I'm not exaggerating when i say it's about like Mexico.....i live near New Orleans.....not in the city proper....

    The only caveat....within 2 months im leaving to try my hand at driving a big rig.

    Bad part is you gotta sign a year's contract & then "pay back" a quarter your earnings to pay for your cdl training....trucking is in the top 5-10 most dangerous jobs in America....and they only clear $35-40k the first yr, pre tax, pre bills.....
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  112. @JohnnyWalker123
    According to the US govt stats, South Asians (almost all Indian) get about 70% of H-1b visas. East/Southeast Asians get about 15% of H-1bs.

    https://www.recode.net/2017/4/13/15281170/china-india-tech-h1b-visas

    However, among American-raised programmers, Asians probably outnumber Indians. There's just such a massive inflow of H-1bs that this skews everything.

    From my experience, Indians seem to be at least 35% of the programmers at lots of elite tech companies.

    In Silicon Valley (which is even more foreignized than where I live), I'd estimate Indian subcons outnumber Asians by 3:1 or maybe 2:1. 1:1 sounds a little low.

    Wall Street has lots of Asians because they recruit mainly at Ivy League colleges, which have lots of Asian students. There are Indians there too (especially at the MBA level), but fewer than Asians.

    At the more elite levels of Wall Street, Indians seem to outnumber Asians. This is even more true in Silicon Valley, which has LOTS of Indian in senior roles.

    South Asians far exceed East Asians at all higher levels in my experience; I am the only East Asian at my level in a multinational financial corp. The only other East Asians even of comparable level at women and pretty much obvious diversity padding hires much like the famous Chairwoman Pao of Reddit.

    3:1 might work if counting those female diversity hires; without doing so and removing South Asian women(who admittedly do make a large number of diversity hires as well), I’ll say its closer to 5:1 or even 7:1.

    I do think that the East Asians are generally more productive, but corporate success is very loosely tied to customer satisfaction in the tech fields when many large companies have a death grip and can operate essentially like a quasi-governmental agency thanks to “taxes” incoming due to entrenched contracts and as noted by some other posters, the model for smaller companies is to sell out as soon as possible.

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    Asian women seem to do better than Asian men at climbing the corporate ladder. Also, there are far more of them in the media and intelligentsia.

    I think that Asian men are, generally speaking, introverted, clannish, and socially subdued. Also, the first generation lacks English fluency. Given the emphasis that our elites place on speaking skills and extroversion, that could explain the inability of Asians to climb the ladder.

    Indians are loquacious, verbally adept, and sometimes attention seeking - sort of like Jews. Asians are dour, speak little, and avoid generating attention - sort of like Russians and other Slavs.

    Asian men do poorly in the world of acting and music too, but this might be changing now. There are lots more Asian guys on tv and in the movies. Less so music, but these days K Pop is popular in Latin America. So who knows? Maybe one day, Asian men will be global sex symbols and pop stars.

    3:1 might work if counting those female diversity hires; without doing so and removing South Asian women(who admittedly do make a large number of diversity hires as well), I’ll say its closer to 5:1 or even 7:1.
     
    Indian subcons outnumber Asians by about 4-5x when it comes to getting H-1b visas. However, there are still lots of American-raised programmers. Those programmers are mainly white, but with a significant fraction of American-raised Asians. There are some American-raised Indian programmers, but maybe they're 5% of the programmer pool. This probably reduces the 4-5x disparity to maybe 3x.

    I do think that the East Asians are generally more productive, but corporate success is very loosely tied to customer satisfaction in the tech fields when many large companies have a death grip and can operate essentially like a quasi-governmental agency thanks to “taxes” incoming due to entrenched contracts and as noted by some other posters, the model for smaller companies is to sell out as soon as possible.
     
    Asians seem more productive and adept at value creation than any other race. Indians aren't too bad in this respect, but Asians are even better. However, corporations are (contrary to what free market fanatics and libertarian propagandists claim) not that efficiently run. So a lot of corporations just keep their hiring practices as long as corporate profits continue to be high and costs continue to be relatively low.

    As you pointed out, lots of large corporations are basically monopolies. By dominating a certain niche, they can continue to be profitable as long as they don't screw up too badly.

    Indians are beating out Asians for tech and managerial positions due to 2 factors.

    1. As I mentioned above, Indians are more verbally adept and loquacious. Which is important to getting hired and rising in modern day America. Dour, taciturn Asians are a poor fit for the modern day ruling class. Interestingly, in the old days, America used to place more of an emphasis on being stoic and reticent. So the Asian personality would probably be a better fit for the old America.

    2. At least in tech companies, Indian tech managers engage in extremely aggressive caste-linguistic ethnic hiring. They've been doing that very effectively since the year 2000. Lots of corporations allow this because Indian employees work long hours, complain little, and proved themselves competent enough during the Y2K projects of the late 90s. At this point, hiring lots of Indian H-1bs and grads of upper-end American comp science depts (such as MIT) is the standard hiring model for lots of HR departments in IT companies.
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  113. Diversity and inclusion are euphemisms.

    Here’s some diversity rents extracted from all American companies, not just Silicon Valley:

    1. Companies required to hire and promote federal protected class groups in exchange for preferential access to federal government provided contracts, tax breaks, business licenses, bailouts, and loans and grants.

    2. Companies implement federal government diversity policies in exchange for immunity from federal government lawsuits, litigation harassment, and consent agreements that enforce victim class hiring and promotion.

    3. Some companies granted a business monopoly by the federal government, (e.g. Federal Reserve System, FCC broadcast licenses) in exchange for compliance with federal diversity policies.

    4. Some Companies granted preferential access to American citizenship and visas for their foreign diversity employees in exchange for compliance with federal diversity policies.

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  114. @Lurker

    which he often brands as our best and only ally in the region.
     
    Did he list any of the vital contributions Israel has made as an ally?

    Probably live fire testing of American weapon systems.

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    Any thoughts when this was, or which systems? It seems a rather thin rationale for "best ally in the region".
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  115. @Lurker

    which he often brands as our best and only ally in the region.
     
    Did he list any of the vital contributions Israel has made as an ally?

    You mean something like strafing the Liberty? Nah, nary a word about that or for that matter what we’ve reaped for the $250b or so we’ve given in aid to them since their founding.

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  116. “Because the cool teachers are all communists”?

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  117. @Erik L
    The silicon valley ideal for money making (at least my version of it) hardly every happens in practice. A friend of mine stumbled into being a lawyer here, happened to work with some entrepreneurs who had some success early, one thing leads to another...eventual he cofounds a company making, admittedly real tech but, something I couldn't quite make sense of business wise. What I mean is, if an unknown person had pitched it, no way.

    Early on they get a tens of millions of dollars buyout offer from Google. A few years later Google shuts it down. So now a bunch of guys are rich because they worked on something that looked like it had a chance of being really useful if you could just figure out how, but which never and will never get to the stage of customers spending more on it that the business cost to run (my former assumption and definition of success).

    I can see where some diverse types might say they could easily do something just as useless if only they had the connections and reputation needed to induce Google to brain fart out some pocket change to them.

    I was brought in to an Angel group as an advisor about a particular technology. I analyzed pitches for them and potential investments.
    I asked one guy if they ever invested in anyone who was not known by the Angels or their network, were they all someone’s nephew, cousin, former employee’s wife, etc.
    Answer, “no, everyone they invested in was a known quantity in some way.”
    So many wasted powerpoint decks submitted by folks who had an idea but didn’t know anyone…

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  118. bomag says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    According to the US govt stats, South Asians (almost all Indian) get about 70% of H-1b visas. East/Southeast Asians get about 15% of H-1bs.

    https://www.recode.net/2017/4/13/15281170/china-india-tech-h1b-visas

    However, among American-raised programmers, Asians probably outnumber Indians. There's just such a massive inflow of H-1bs that this skews everything.

    From my experience, Indians seem to be at least 35% of the programmers at lots of elite tech companies.

    In Silicon Valley (which is even more foreignized than where I live), I'd estimate Indian subcons outnumber Asians by 3:1 or maybe 2:1. 1:1 sounds a little low.

    Wall Street has lots of Asians because they recruit mainly at Ivy League colleges, which have lots of Asian students. There are Indians there too (especially at the MBA level), but fewer than Asians.

    At the more elite levels of Wall Street, Indians seem to outnumber Asians. This is even more true in Silicon Valley, which has LOTS of Indian in senior roles.

    Interesting posts.

    All this immigration and ethnic boosterism is in the name of merit and economics, but are we getting the value promised? I suspect we could have gotten close to the same result with a more native workforce that would have avoided the ethnic enclaves that skew politically left; compete for resources with my kids; and lessen the Anglo-European influence that everyone seems to want but no one wants to maintain.

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  119. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/09/30/wall-streets-young-bankers-are-still-mostly-white-and-male/

    Demographics of Wall Street entry-level (first-year) bankers

    77.5% are men
    22.5% are women

    65% are White
    29% are Asian
    6% are Black or Hispanic

    Demographics of Silicon Valley tech workers

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2012/11/29/asian-workers-now-dominate-silicon-valley-tech-jobs/

    79% are men
    21% are women

    41% are White
    50% are Asian
    4% are Hispanic
    2% are Black
    3% are "Other"

    I think the major difference between those two is the availability of cheap bodies from India and China.

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  120. @JohnnyWalker123
    In Silicon Valley, I'd bet that South Asians outnumber East Asians by 3:1. In Wall Street, East Asians outnumber South Asians by maybe 2:1.

    The reason is because Silicon Valley is heavily dependent on the H-1b visa workers, who are heavily Indian subcontinental. Wall Street mostly recruits from the Ivy League universities, which have more East Asians than South Asians at the BA level (the groups are about equal at the MBA level). South Asians are more likely to climb the corporate ladder both in Silicon Valley and Wall Street.

    South Asians are more English-fluent and extroverted than East Asians. So they're better talkers, more socially aggressive, and more into schmoozing. South Asians aren't so good looking as a race though, so that limits their opportunities to some extent.

    South Asians tend to be very nepotistic as well, preferring to hire other South Asians, especially relatives, over anyone else, at least in my experience.

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    South Asians tend to be very nepotistic as well, preferring to hire other South Asians, especially relatives, over anyone else, at least in my experience.

    How nice for them. I thought that this kind of hiring based on personal preference was illegal. Didn't we all lose this freedom to hire whom we prefer a long time ago?
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  121. @Yan Shen
    As someone who works in tech in the Bay Area, albeit not as a programmer, I've experienced first hand the ideological echo chamber that is Silicon Valley. Conservative points of view are routinely demonized and not given a platform and those brave enough to defend such views risk being ostracized or worse.

    The somewhat good news is that the diversity initiatives and anti-bias workshops are mostly more of an annoyance rather than things that have actually hurt the top companies from a productivity and bottom line perspective. Despite all of the outrage over the lack of diversity, Silicon Valley hasn't been able to significantly increase the percentage of blacks, Hispanics, and women in tech roles beyond what they've traditionally been at.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2012/11/29/asian-workers-now-dominate-silicon-valley-tech-jobs/

    What has happened though is that the % of Asian Americans, primarily East and South Asians, has steadily increased in tech roles in the Bay Area to the point that they're actually the majority overall. A little reported fact in all of the diversity brouhaha is that whites are actually also under-represented in tech, although obviously not to the extent that blacks and Hispanics are.


    Asian-Americans make up half of the Bay Area’s technology workforce, and their double-digit employment gains came from jobs lost among white tech workers, according to an analysis by this newspaper of Census Bureau data released Thursday.

    The dramatic shift in the changing composition of the high-tech workforce represents a new generation of homegrown and imported workers drilled in science, technology, engineering and math studies. But the shift in workplace demographics — at least among tech companies — fails to reflect the gains of California’s Hispanic and Latino population, which lost ground in tech jobs along with African-Americans.

    “It’s the new world — a world in which whites are not the majority,” said Jan English-Lueck, associate dean of the college of social sciences at San Jose State University, who is also co-founder of the Silicon Valley Cultures Project. “Other people are being displaced.”
     

    This seems to make sense to me. I've always observed that whenever the work required increases in degree of quantitative and technical rigor, the over-representation of Asian Americans increases as well! For instance, I remarked in an earlier thread that the whitest parts of most tech companies in the Bay Area are in departments like marketing, sales, product, design, or the likes. Even the illustrious writer of this blog, Mr. Steve Sailer, worked in marketing for a number of years after getting an MBA from Rice, IIRC.

    So the bottom line is that Silicon Valley seems to be virtue signalling one thing, but in actuality doing something else, namely slowly increasing the percentage of Asian Americans in their technical workforce.

    After thousands of years of not going anywhere, you guys sure seem eager to take what European Man created and call it your own.

    Hey, dude, did you fly over here on a Chinese jet? No, it was an aircraft invented and built by White Men. Now your true home country has conned Boeing into giving them yet more White Man technology in exchange for the “privilege” of having your slave, communist cousins build jets in China.

    Such is the story of American-Chinese transactions in our time.

    My great, great grandfather was the captain of a clipper ship, yet another White Man invention, which he sailed between San Francisco and China. I have some of your ancestors’ woodwork in my living room. It’s worth some money now. He brought it over.

    I am named after him.

    He also brought over some of your ancestors. Their descendants sell Chinese food in Chinatown, San Francisco.

    As you quietly take what our people invented (as you gradually boil the round-eyed frogs) a simple “thank you” might be in order.

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    You've really got to stop living in the past (not that the China of the past was without its own technological contributions to the West - paper, gunpowder, movable type, etc.). Western man did get a jump on the Industrial Revolution but the gap has been closed.

    https://www.expometals.net/10/250/250/206849/ImageStreamHandler.ashx

    China now produces 1/2 the steel in the world and 10x as much as the US. If your mind is stuck in the Clipper Ship era you are not going to be able to deal properly with the today's realities let alone the reality of 10 or 20 years from now. America is not the America of Andrew Carnegie and Clipper Ship captains and China is not the China of coolies and people who operate funny little grocery stores where they sell strange foods. Get that nostalgia out of your head and deal with the world as it really is now and is going to be in the future, not with how it was 150 years ago or even 20 years ago. Americans make this mistake over and over. No one in Detroit thought of Japan as a threat to the great American auto industry - Japan lost the war and made tin toys from recycled American tin cans and funny little underpowered cars that no one in their right mind would prefer to Detroit products. Stop misunderestimating Asians and take them seriously as competitors or you will pay dearly.
    , @Daniel Chieh

    Now your true home country has conned Boeing into giving them yet more White Man technology in exchange for the “privilege” of having your slave, communist cousins build jets in China.
     
    "White Man" technology like how Americans stole from Germany technology? From the descendants of the Prussians, who were seen as being merely disciplined and otherwise rude and boring?

    I find East Asian triumphantilism to be stupid but the idea that technology hasn't constantly shifted locations and gotten expressed differently or better in different locations to be just as silly. No one was 'conned', the original idea of the elites was to shift the labor over East Asia to take advantage of cost differentials, while maintaining knowledge industries for themselves: a combination of contempt by the elites both for American workers(who would now be screwed) as well as for the Chinese(who they thought could never fully adapt or rebuild the technology).

    The latter assumption fell apart for them but that same contempt does no one any good.

    , @Yan Shen
    Nah brah, I uh came over here by boat obviously... ;)
    , @Anonymous
    "As you quietly take what our people invented (as you gradually boil the round-eyed frogs) a simple “thank you” might be in order."

    They've been well-indoctrinated in all the reasons why they not only don't owe the white man the slightest thanks for the modern age, but why he owes them:

    Opium, The West 'carving up China', Hiroshima....

    , @Eagle Eye

    Hey, dude, did you fly over here on a Chinese jet? No, it was an aircraft invented and built by White Men. Now your true home country has conned Boeing into giving them yet more White Man technology in exchange for the “privilege” of having your slave, communist cousins build jets in China.
     
    Maybe you are not aware that Boeing's first Chief Engineer was a Chinese (born in China). One would assume that his efforts helped Boeing on the path to success.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wong_Tsu
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  122. @Ex-Software Engineer
    The diversity business is a nice racket. Put together some power points about how whites are the most racist people on the planet. Exalt the glory of diversity and multiculturalism and proceed to tell whites that they have no choice but to accept their displacement in their own countries. Don't forget to put in a binder and than charge $3K per head for a 2 day seminar. Convince the management in whatever company you have targeted that they should make it MANDATORY. Presto change - you are rolling in the $$$. Do the math - company with 10000 employees x $3K per person.

    What a business.

    As for the decline of whites in tech this is part of a much larger picture which is not mentioned. The decline in whites in tech is directly related to the H1B and offshoring of tech jobs to Asia.

    I have an undergrad in computer engineering and a two masters degrees - one in management science and another in computer science. Ask me what all this education buys you one when competing against people here on H1B's for work? Not a whole lot.

    The general public is not really aware of what has been going on since before the year 2000. Prior to the year 2000 companies were freaking out about what Y2K was going to do to all the systems. They had to check each and every system to make sure it could handle a four digit year. That requires people but at the same time they had all this other work they had to do. At that point thats where India comes in - companies started bringing in thousands of people on the H1B to work on the Y2K. Than Y2K happened or should I say not happened - there was no problem.

    At that point the companies looked up and said - all these Indians we have on H1B are dirt cheap compared to our American employees, lets lay off all the Americans. Which is pretty much what has happened. After Y2K the layoffs really picked up steam. Company after company, industry after industry got rid of their American employees. Realize that the Indians are not superior but what they are though is cheaper. A lot cheaper and if you are on an H1B its basically a license to abuse you.

    As time went on the Indians that were here in the US got into management. And what do you think they did? They hired their friends and relatives. Bribes and kickbacks are the norm, thats how business works in India. It was/is on a scale that is unimaginable. It exploded actually and Americans were systematically pushed out. It just continued to grow to the point that now pretty much every IT department in every company is almost completely Indian.

    Don't get me wrong there is a sprinkling of Americans but its nowhere near like it used to be. Most Americans are gone unless you have specific specialty skills. You can't be just a programmer any more. There are tons and tons of Indian consulting companies who have connections into lots of companies via their friends and families. Basically in these companies if you are not Indian you are not getting hired. Thats how it works.

    At the same time this is happening white Americans are told they are most racist people on the planet but all the other ethnic groups are working cohesively together but whites are told that its illegal for them to do the same thing the other groups are doing. Nice, huh...

    So now its been 17 years since Y2K and frankly you have to have rocks in your head to want to get into technology. Have all this education to have to compete with foreigners in your own country and offshore for work for the rest of your life? NO THANKS. The media likes to portray Silly Valley as having streets paved with gold. Um, maybe if you hit the tech lottery and have a company that they want to buy out. But thats not the norm for the most part. A lot of it has to do with luck and being in the right place and right time, not hard work. Most companies are not Google, Apple and Facebook.

    People like to say Americans are stupid but they aren't that stupid. Young Americans looked around and realize that tech is a dead end career. They have seen their parents, parents friends and siblings laid off and replaced. You are going to spend crazy amounts of $$ on college and be told over and over how horrible you are? Than you can't find a job due to the H1B and offshoring. For what reason are you doing this?

    No thanks, I say go learn a trade.

    If you are smart enough to do engineering you are smart enough to do something else. Heck, most plumbers and electricians I know make more money than any corporate guy and they have a lot less stress. Nobody bothering you and nobody threatening to lay you off. You will be better off and will have a good life.

    As a friend who is an electrician said - if you aggravate me. I pack up my tools and leave. By the time I get to my truck they are begging me to come back.

    As time went on the Indians that were here in the US got into management. And what do you think they did? They hired their friends and relatives. Bribes and kickbacks are the norm, thats how business works in India. It was/is on a scale that is unimaginable.

    Correct. And don’t forget Pakistan!

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  123. @Kgaard
    Glenn Reynolds' hench-bloggers at Instapundit were all over the Plame story. Reynolds has let a couple of Neocon fanatics guest-blog for him and they're pretty insufferable.

    Reynolds has let a couple of Neocon fanatics guest-blog for him and they’re pretty insufferable.

    They are mouthpieces for Glenn Reynolds’ own opinions.

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  124. Jack D says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    In the modern day corporate environment, you have to pretend to be extremely "passionate" about whatever the corporation is producing/marketing. If you don't, they can easily fire you and replace you with another worker. Corporations are full of people who hate their job and are there purely for the paycheck, but constantly bull5hit about how they 're "passionate about the company's mission."

    Here's my theory. Mandating employees demonstrate "passion" is like demanding an act of subservience. The employee is demonstrating to the management that he's willing to say and do anything the corporation wants. That makes him more likely to comply with orders and not fight back against management.

    Corporations want docile peons.

    “He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother”

    Orwell, 1984

    You have to learn to stop struggling and love Diversity. If you struggle you will be crushed like a Damore but if you learn to love Diversity with all your heart then all doors will open for you (well, not all doors but the ones that are still available to white men).

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  125. Erik L says:
    @Neoconned
    I work 3 jobs, all in the food service restaurant industry. 2 of these jobs are cooking at 2 different fast food establishments. I live in the Deep South, near New Orleans. Today it was 92 degrees F.....humidity was near 100 pc. We consider LA cold & Arizona simply warm.

    I woke up at 4am today and walked a mile to McD's. I walk in the road this time of yr because the sidewalk has Cottonmouth "water moccasin" snakes and Copperheads that like to hide in the grass at the edge. Almost stepped on 4 or 5 just in the past month. These are species of pit vipers.

    I get to work right away at five. I change six 40pound towel buckets. Thats the 1st task. I burn my hands often from the scalding water. Then often spill it on my shoes.

    Next task is going to scrub the public toilets w bleach solution. This isnt so bad as i wear gloves & get to listen to oldies and classic rock on the satellite radio feed. Moderately relaxing. But still, scrubbing shit off the walls and penile, vaginal, and anal fluids and urine off the toilets is hardly fun much less noble.

    This must be done by 6am. At 6 i go and clean the parking lot. This is the nicest part of my entire day. Its much cooler in the morning. About 70-75F but still muggy. I still have to dodge cars, occasionally put up w drunk or mental case guests, and clean broken glass, cigarette butts, beer bottles, used diapers and tampons, condoms, and spilled food along with other random assorted trash.

    I then go lift the 25 lb doors of the dumpster and empty all this shit out.

    Next i go inside and assemble and break down all discarded boxes and trash. Trash goes in a trash compactor. I cart the boxes to the dumpster on a push cart thing. Back & forth its an eighth of a mile just doing that. Next comes the compactor. If there are cars in the drive thru u wait for them to pass. The customer is always right as my management says. Even if its 85f outside and you're sweating like in a sauna.

    You wear hot black pants, even in high summer.

    I throw the boxes into the dumpster and then use the hydraulic lift to raise the compressed trash up. I then remove a ring and ease the baled trash into the dumpster.

    If the ring falls in the dumpster guess whos going in after it. If the trash bale falls early & spills everywhere guess who's grabbing a broom/dustpan....

    Then bring the cart and compactor back in. Set the annoying door alarm & then double bag the compactor & spending 2-3 min monkeying it into the slots that it has to go into.

    Next i sweep AND mop this area.

    Now its 7am. From here to 930-950am i filter the fryers.

    That means lugging the greasy grease bins to the back, spraying them out and changing out the cleaning pad, magnesium coating, and unplugging all the holes fikled with grease and crumbs. Then lugging these bulky 50 lb containers BACK AND THEN you start filtering. Be careful, oil is expensive. I filter and change oil only as needed and must ask permission before changing each vat from manager on duty.

    When filtering, you often get dripping hot grease onto your hands and arms. Grease burns are common. Each vat must filter 5min minimum. Each vat must be immaculate to get signed off on. I cant begin to tell you what a bitch this is.

    After this i go to grill. My neurotic bipolar boss gives me literally 3-4 jobs to do @ once.

    Not only do i cook food and sweat like a pig in front of the 200 degree grill but i must maintain as clean a work station as possible. You are often asked to do stupid nitpick jobs the teenyboppers up front are too incompetent to do. This includes bringing up ice, changing trash, stocking the fries or the fry station, cleaning lobby, printing numerous "date & time" stickers to put on ingredient & food containers to meet health dept regulation, etc

    All this on top of cooking food REAL FAST so the line doesn't get jammed up. Im usually off at 2.

    I eat lunch in the lobby. I often fall asleep sitting up watching tv in the lobby due to exhaustion. I leave & walk half an hr to my 2nd job at a pizza place. I work til eight when i go home. Thats my side job.

    I wash dishes out of boredom when orders slow.

    This the tranny delivery driver literally whines about doing because he/she doesn't want to chip a nail or get grime or grease on their clothes.

    On weekdays my 3rd job is washing dishes at a college cafeteria.

    Thats a part time gig.

    You get the picture

    I'll spare you the routine of that job but McD's is preferable and i just told you what a hell that is. At the end of the day i walk a mile back home to the 80-90pc black slum i live in.

    They leave me alone because i threatened the drug dealers on my street when they threatened me and my family because they thought i was a policeman (lol) or an informer. Dont have many problems with them any more. Go to bed, rinse repeat.

    Now, the question I'm dying to ask: how the hell do i get in on this racket? Sitting in front of a PowerPoint and talking some scripted shit my boss wrote for me.

    Last year after taxes i think i cleared $8500-10k

    Im assuming these rentiers make in the range of $150-200k per yr....

    Ill work for a fifth to a quarter of what they make and work triple the hours and still triple what i make doing 3 lousy restaurant jobs.....

    Seriously i want in, I'd put these goldbrickers on the unemployment line within a week....

    Difficult to get in on that specific racket, but with your ability to write clearly and describe the details of a work process there are many ways you could sit in an air conditioned office and make 6 figures (after a few years of experience)

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  126. Bleuteaux says:
    @Anonymous
    "Why Are You Passionate About Working on Diversity and Inclusion?"

    If by 'working on' you mean the same thing that liberals mean by 'working on' American Monuments, then it should be common sense why I am passionate about it.

    “Working on”

    It’s the permanent revolution. We’re never really there, and there are no starting or ending points. It’s going to go on forever, always.

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  127. Jack D says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    After thousands of years of not going anywhere, you guys sure seem eager to take what European Man created and call it your own.

    Hey, dude, did you fly over here on a Chinese jet? No, it was an aircraft invented and built by White Men. Now your true home country has conned Boeing into giving them yet more White Man technology in exchange for the "privilege" of having your slave, communist cousins build jets in China.

    Such is the story of American-Chinese transactions in our time.

    My great, great grandfather was the captain of a clipper ship, yet another White Man invention, which he sailed between San Francisco and China. I have some of your ancestors' woodwork in my living room. It's worth some money now. He brought it over.

    I am named after him.

    He also brought over some of your ancestors. Their descendants sell Chinese food in Chinatown, San Francisco.

    As you quietly take what our people invented (as you gradually boil the round-eyed frogs) a simple "thank you" might be in order.

    You’ve really got to stop living in the past (not that the China of the past was without its own technological contributions to the West – paper, gunpowder, movable type, etc.). Western man did get a jump on the Industrial Revolution but the gap has been closed.

    https://www.expometals.net/10/250/250/206849/ImageStreamHandler.ashx

    China now produces 1/2 the steel in the world and 10x as much as the US. If your mind is stuck in the Clipper Ship era you are not going to be able to deal properly with the today’s realities let alone the reality of 10 or 20 years from now. America is not the America of Andrew Carnegie and Clipper Ship captains and China is not the China of coolies and people who operate funny little grocery stores where they sell strange foods. Get that nostalgia out of your head and deal with the world as it really is now and is going to be in the future, not with how it was 150 years ago or even 20 years ago. Americans make this mistake over and over. No one in Detroit thought of Japan as a threat to the great American auto industry – Japan lost the war and made tin toys from recycled American tin cans and funny little underpowered cars that no one in their right mind would prefer to Detroit products. Stop misunderestimating Asians and take them seriously as competitors or you will pay dearly.

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    not that the China of the past was without its own technological contributions to the West – paper, gunpowder, movable type, etc.
     
    Ahhh, so you are as ignorant about gunpowder as you are about Noah Webster.
    , @bomag

    stop living in the past
     
    Past is prologue.

    The complaint is not that we've lost the 19th century societal differential; it is that in the name of compassion; or diversity; or economic growth; or merit; everyone moves here, while we move nowhere.

    It is great that China makes inexpensive steel and nano-computers. We can ship that here and ship them something in return. The problem is that the Yan Shens of the world want us to disappear and let his people fulfill our existence in our place.
    , @AM

    You’ve really got to stop living in the past (not that the China of the past was without its own technological contributions to the West – paper, gunpowder, movable type, etc.). Western man did get a jump on the Industrial Revolution but the gap has been closed.
     
    Uh...we're living post industrial revolution - China is barely getting started with theirs.

    China now produces 1/2 the steel in the world and 10x as much as the US.
     
    Yeah, with technology they stole from us and with the deliberate intent of state subsidizing such enterprises including through currency manipulation.

    China doesn't engineer and hasn't for perhaps even centuries. They reverse engineer and steal like crazy. They aren't stupid, but they aren't forward looking, creative,or generally honest either. The corruption that plagues them to this day is a massive part of what holds them back. The positive influence of Christianity on the West cannot be under estimated it terms of what we've managed to accomplish to 2017.

    Stop misunderestimating Asians and take them seriously as competitors or you will pay dearly.
     
    Nobody is. What I am tired of is the arrogance and attempts to take credit for what does not belong to them. The West's Civilization does belong to all of the planet - I'm willing to share as I certainly did not develop it either - but this needs to be a moment where it's okay to call a spade.

    This post, which unfairly tears down the US by presenting only part of the truth, is what's becoming rapidly a point of division. Either you are for the US and the West, with all of it's great moments and terrible moments, or you're for something else.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    Oh, I take Asians seriously. We are giving them our country and addicting ourselves to their productivity. That's what I'm alarmed about.

    All that productivity you mention is them using what they learned from our industry.
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  128. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Both “smuggled premise” and “leading question” are valid descriptions. Similar to “Why do you love the flavor of this sweet, delicious ice cream?”

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  129. @Buzz Mohawk
    After thousands of years of not going anywhere, you guys sure seem eager to take what European Man created and call it your own.

    Hey, dude, did you fly over here on a Chinese jet? No, it was an aircraft invented and built by White Men. Now your true home country has conned Boeing into giving them yet more White Man technology in exchange for the "privilege" of having your slave, communist cousins build jets in China.

    Such is the story of American-Chinese transactions in our time.

    My great, great grandfather was the captain of a clipper ship, yet another White Man invention, which he sailed between San Francisco and China. I have some of your ancestors' woodwork in my living room. It's worth some money now. He brought it over.

    I am named after him.

    He also brought over some of your ancestors. Their descendants sell Chinese food in Chinatown, San Francisco.

    As you quietly take what our people invented (as you gradually boil the round-eyed frogs) a simple "thank you" might be in order.

    Now your true home country has conned Boeing into giving them yet more White Man technology in exchange for the “privilege” of having your slave, communist cousins build jets in China.

    “White Man” technology like how Americans stole from Germany technology? From the descendants of the Prussians, who were seen as being merely disciplined and otherwise rude and boring?

    I find East Asian triumphantilism to be stupid but the idea that technology hasn’t constantly shifted locations and gotten expressed differently or better in different locations to be just as silly. No one was ‘conned’, the original idea of the elites was to shift the labor over East Asia to take advantage of cost differentials, while maintaining knowledge industries for themselves: a combination of contempt by the elites both for American workers(who would now be screwed) as well as for the Chinese(who they thought could never fully adapt or rebuild the technology).

    The latter assumption fell apart for them but that same contempt does no one any good.

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    “White Man” technology like how Americans stole from Germany technology?
     
    Germans are white men.
    , @AM

    “White Man” technology like how Americans stole from Germany technology?
     
    Since they are both white, of West Civilization, and Americans have a significant German ancestry, it's sort of just a location move within the same civilization.

    But that said, I agree with the rest of your post. It was also the usual arrogance of the elite to think the Chinese stupid, when they obviously had a well developed civilization of their own.

    I only ever think of the Chinese as desperately needing a general clean up of the culture.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    Americans invented the airplane.

    Europeans invented the jet engine.

    They both invented the jet airliner.

    Your "Germans" had little to do with it, except that they too, independently, invented the jet engine and the jet fighter. No doubt, if they'd won the war, their industry would have built jet airliners, like the English de Havilland Comet and the American Boeing 707 -- the grandfather of all jet airliners since.

    Since I was referring to jet airliners, I don't see how I was wrong.

    Anyway, do you notice how they are all White people?

    Boeing caved to China, as all American companies do, just so they could sell airliners to China.

    I agree with you, of course, that the upper class does not give a crap about us, and this is their globe, with no borders. "Imagine there's no countries..."

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  130. Trump should require the H1B program to hire equal number of women to men. That would help fix two problems at once.

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  131. @Yan Shen

    Because I like complaining more than constructing?
     
    Honestly Steve, there's a bit more truth to that than most Americans might remember or care to admit. Although commenter Daniel Chieh will attempt to sell the revisionist history that uh America and Europe's shift away from advanced tech manufacturing and towards services was of course all planned out, actual history tells us that in the late 1980s and early 1990s there was significant consternation in the West about Japan's increasing industrial dominance, leading to the phenomenon of what might be called Japan bashing. From back in 1991...

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1991/06/16/europes-new-rage-japan-bashing/0b9b1f7b-e578-4aae-926b-e2bdd6809f68/?utm_term=.aa9681538dd2

    French Prime Minister Edith Cresson has even described the Japanese as "ants" imbued with a single-minded devotion to vanquish the Western world. "They sit up all night thinking of ways to screw the Americans and the Europeans," she said before taking office last month. "They are our common enemy.

    Europe's computer industries are on the verge of collapse because they cannot compete with Japanese and American companies that adapt more quickly to swiftly changing technologies. The Netherlands' electronics giant Philips, Italy's Olivetti and France's Bull have been forced to slash thousands of people from their employment rolls this year. Even with more billion-dollar bailouts from governments, their survival prospects are bleak.
     

    When we think of tech today, we mostly think of America, i.e. Silicon Valley and East Asia. The former skews towards software while the latter hardware, i.e Japan has always had a clear preference for hardware and today Shenzhen is described as the Silicon Valley of hardware. But it wasn't too long ago that Europe had a meaningful tech sector as well!

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1992-02-04/news/9201110169_1_miyazawa-work-ethic-american-workers

    All of this kinda sorta came to a head when Japanese leaders basically had enough of the constant complaints from their American counterparts and politely pointed out that maybe Americans had lost the ability to produce and instead grew fond of whining. From back in 1992...

    Japanese Prime Minister Kiichi Miyazawa`s remarks Monday that American workers lack drive and a strong work ethic not only elevated the war of words between the world`s two biggest economic rivals, they highlighted a growing gap in perception that afflicts U.S.-Japanese diplomatic relations.

    Because so many American university graduates were recruited into Wall Street, the number of engineers in charge of developing goods has declined.`` The Bush administration and several American politicians known for their tough stance against Japan responded quickly and forcefully.
     

    Note that the whole meme popularized by blogger Lion of the Blogosphere about mathematical ability being conducive to value creation and verbal ability being conducive to value transference was already hinted at or alluded to back in those days by various observers of the whole Japanese brouhaha of the 1980s and early 1990s...

    When we think of tech today, we mostly think of America, i.e. Silicon Valley and East Asia. The former skews towards software while the latter hardware, i.e Japan has always had a clear preference for hardware and today Shenzhen is described as the Silicon Valley of hardware.

    Why isn’t Japanese firm such as Sony a leading maker of smart cell phones?

    Japan seems to be nowhere with regard to smart phones.

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    Note that I said America and East Asia. You're correct in pointing out that the Koreans, Taiwanese, and the Chinese overtook the Japanese in the smartphone industry.
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  132. @Jack D
    You've really got to stop living in the past (not that the China of the past was without its own technological contributions to the West - paper, gunpowder, movable type, etc.). Western man did get a jump on the Industrial Revolution but the gap has been closed.

    https://www.expometals.net/10/250/250/206849/ImageStreamHandler.ashx

    China now produces 1/2 the steel in the world and 10x as much as the US. If your mind is stuck in the Clipper Ship era you are not going to be able to deal properly with the today's realities let alone the reality of 10 or 20 years from now. America is not the America of Andrew Carnegie and Clipper Ship captains and China is not the China of coolies and people who operate funny little grocery stores where they sell strange foods. Get that nostalgia out of your head and deal with the world as it really is now and is going to be in the future, not with how it was 150 years ago or even 20 years ago. Americans make this mistake over and over. No one in Detroit thought of Japan as a threat to the great American auto industry - Japan lost the war and made tin toys from recycled American tin cans and funny little underpowered cars that no one in their right mind would prefer to Detroit products. Stop misunderestimating Asians and take them seriously as competitors or you will pay dearly.

    not that the China of the past was without its own technological contributions to the West – paper, gunpowder, movable type, etc.

    Ahhh, so you are as ignorant about gunpowder as you are about Noah Webster.

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  133. Pat Boyle says:
    @Yan Shen
    As someone who works in tech in the Bay Area, albeit not as a programmer, I've experienced first hand the ideological echo chamber that is Silicon Valley. Conservative points of view are routinely demonized and not given a platform and those brave enough to defend such views risk being ostracized or worse.

    The somewhat good news is that the diversity initiatives and anti-bias workshops are mostly more of an annoyance rather than things that have actually hurt the top companies from a productivity and bottom line perspective. Despite all of the outrage over the lack of diversity, Silicon Valley hasn't been able to significantly increase the percentage of blacks, Hispanics, and women in tech roles beyond what they've traditionally been at.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2012/11/29/asian-workers-now-dominate-silicon-valley-tech-jobs/

    What has happened though is that the % of Asian Americans, primarily East and South Asians, has steadily increased in tech roles in the Bay Area to the point that they're actually the majority overall. A little reported fact in all of the diversity brouhaha is that whites are actually also under-represented in tech, although obviously not to the extent that blacks and Hispanics are.


    Asian-Americans make up half of the Bay Area’s technology workforce, and their double-digit employment gains came from jobs lost among white tech workers, according to an analysis by this newspaper of Census Bureau data released Thursday.

    The dramatic shift in the changing composition of the high-tech workforce represents a new generation of homegrown and imported workers drilled in science, technology, engineering and math studies. But the shift in workplace demographics — at least among tech companies — fails to reflect the gains of California’s Hispanic and Latino population, which lost ground in tech jobs along with African-Americans.

    “It’s the new world — a world in which whites are not the majority,” said Jan English-Lueck, associate dean of the college of social sciences at San Jose State University, who is also co-founder of the Silicon Valley Cultures Project. “Other people are being displaced.”
     

    This seems to make sense to me. I've always observed that whenever the work required increases in degree of quantitative and technical rigor, the over-representation of Asian Americans increases as well! For instance, I remarked in an earlier thread that the whitest parts of most tech companies in the Bay Area are in departments like marketing, sales, product, design, or the likes. Even the illustrious writer of this blog, Mr. Steve Sailer, worked in marketing for a number of years after getting an MBA from Rice, IIRC.

    So the bottom line is that Silicon Valley seems to be virtue signalling one thing, but in actuality doing something else, namely slowly increasing the percentage of Asian Americans in their technical workforce.

    The history of the earth (condensed version). Small groups walked out of Africa. The ones who walked West to Europe became Caucasians. Those who walked East became Orientals. The Westerners became the Greeks and Romans. The Easterners became the Chinese and the Japanese. Those who never left (Africans) never developed civilization.

    The Neolithic Revolution started in the West in the Fertile Crescent. But by the birth of Christ the East was slightly ahead. Han China crashed about the same time Rome fell but recovered faster. For most of history China was the most advanced nation on the planet. That changed about the beginning of the fifteenth century. The West (Europe and its colonies) surged forward. But the Industrial and Scientific revolutions which had begun in the West, finally came to the East.

    Lynn and Vanhaten think a nation’s wealth and development is a simple function of it’s populace’s IQ. If that is true then China should again become the dominant nation on earth. But machine intelligence is about to dominate the globe – not Oriental intelligence.

    What do you suppose the robots will think of Africans?

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    For most of history China was the most advanced nation on the planet. That changed about the beginning of the fifteenth century.

    Why did China stagnate back then?

    Please explain soon, before extreme IQ robot intelligence takes control.
    , @Numinous

    The Neolithic Revolution started in the West in the Fertile Crescent.
     
    The Fertile Crescent was no more "West" than modern Kurdistan is. And your view of history is quite bogus.
    , @yeah
    "What do you suppose the robots will think of Africans?"

    Their circuitry will likely fuse-out as the try to figure out that puzzle. Some hardy robots who survive will likely look around for screws to tighten and manufacturing defects to fix.
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  134. bomag says:
    @Jack D
    You've really got to stop living in the past (not that the China of the past was without its own technological contributions to the West - paper, gunpowder, movable type, etc.). Western man did get a jump on the Industrial Revolution but the gap has been closed.

    https://www.expometals.net/10/250/250/206849/ImageStreamHandler.ashx

    China now produces 1/2 the steel in the world and 10x as much as the US. If your mind is stuck in the Clipper Ship era you are not going to be able to deal properly with the today's realities let alone the reality of 10 or 20 years from now. America is not the America of Andrew Carnegie and Clipper Ship captains and China is not the China of coolies and people who operate funny little grocery stores where they sell strange foods. Get that nostalgia out of your head and deal with the world as it really is now and is going to be in the future, not with how it was 150 years ago or even 20 years ago. Americans make this mistake over and over. No one in Detroit thought of Japan as a threat to the great American auto industry - Japan lost the war and made tin toys from recycled American tin cans and funny little underpowered cars that no one in their right mind would prefer to Detroit products. Stop misunderestimating Asians and take them seriously as competitors or you will pay dearly.

    stop living in the past

    Past is prologue.

    The complaint is not that we’ve lost the 19th century societal differential; it is that in the name of compassion; or diversity; or economic growth; or merit; everyone moves here, while we move nowhere.

    It is great that China makes inexpensive steel and nano-computers. We can ship that here and ship them something in return. The problem is that the Yan Shens of the world want us to disappear and let his people fulfill our existence in our place.

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  135. mobi says:
    @Whiskey
    Iirc, Giraldi argued Jews should be forced to wear the star of David on TV and called Jewish views rat poison . Hmmmm where have I seen that before?

    Iirc, Giraldi argued Jews should be forced to wear the star of David on TV and called Jewish views rat poison . Hmmmm where have I seen that before?

    I recommend less ‘where’ and more ‘why’.

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  136. Nico says:
    @Medvedev

    large company, who ran it into the ground
     
    Not necessarily. Most startup wouldn't have survived without turning profits anyway.

    Companies like Google have tens of thousands of employees working on supporting and improving current infrastructure, die-hard SJW HRs and senior management whose only concern are profits. Those companies lost innovative drive, but have a monopoly and generate tens of billions of dollars every year. And the biggest fear they have that there is next Facebook or Google somewhere in the basement that may challenge their dominance.What corporations do?

    1. Spend billions buying up startups or on crazy ideas inside the company.
    2. Most of it will turn out to be crap. But corporations don't mind wasting billions of dollars. What they really fear is being challenged by competition. That's how Yahoo went downhill (once valued at 200bln and sold to Verizon for mere 4 bln) and lost to Google,
    IE lost to Chrome, how Google+ & MySpace lost to Facebook.
    3. One out of hundreds or thousands succeeds and starts generating billions and gives corporation even more control (Youtube, Android acquisition by Google, Instagram & WhatsApp by Facebook).

    But corporations don’t mind wasting billions of dollars. What they really fear is being challenged by competition. That’s how Yahoo went downhill (once valued at 200bln and sold to Verizon for mere 4 bln) and lost to Google, IE lost to Chrome, how Google+ & MySpace lost to Facebook.

    Above all Yahoo!’s demise was precipitated by the fact that by and large their products were not very good and therefore their grip on the market was easy to split open. Even in the heyday most denizens got into Yahoo! out of sheer laziness in that it was the first thing they heard of and it hadn’t occurred to them to shop around, and stuck with them out of sheer laziness. I remember a lot more moves away from Yahoo! than in the other direction. In any event, sophisticates were constantly on the lookout for alternatives and latched onto them as soon as they could. Eventually they would hit something that would prove both infinitely more attractive to new internautes – of which there were still many from 2000 to 2005 – and not too painful to transition to when the older users got sick of Yahoo!’s mediocrity and finally decided to try this great new thing everyone was talking about. The same could be said for Internet Explorer (which was tainted by Microsoft’s image problems) and MySpace (which was tainted by the customizable HTML that could by very artfully handled but usually ended up making its very mediocre default look terrific), and Google+ was loathed from the getgo.

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  137. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @JohnnyWalker123
    In the modern day corporate environment, you have to pretend to be extremely "passionate" about whatever the corporation is producing/marketing. If you don't, they can easily fire you and replace you with another worker. Corporations are full of people who hate their job and are there purely for the paycheck, but constantly bull5hit about how they 're "passionate about the company's mission."

    Here's my theory. Mandating employees demonstrate "passion" is like demanding an act of subservience. The employee is demonstrating to the management that he's willing to say and do anything the corporation wants. That makes him more likely to comply with orders and not fight back against management.

    Corporations want docile peons.

    Have you ever witnessed a Walmart pep talk?

    They all gather around a manager and do a strange routine of clapping and yelling. You have to pretend you are ultra-excited to be working a minimum wage gig, and I guess the enthusiasm is part of the job. I saw them doing this once and was amazed something like that is even legal. Im not sure but somebody told me they need to do this routine every morning.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_KA9LqsHSfY

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    That's just degrading.

    Cheering and acting wildly enthusiastic over stocking shelves at a part-time, minimum-wage gig.
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  138. mobi says:
    @Yan Shen
    As someone who works in tech in the Bay Area, albeit not as a programmer, I've experienced first hand the ideological echo chamber that is Silicon Valley. Conservative points of view are routinely demonized and not given a platform and those brave enough to defend such views risk being ostracized or worse.

    The somewhat good news is that the diversity initiatives and anti-bias workshops are mostly more of an annoyance rather than things that have actually hurt the top companies from a productivity and bottom line perspective. Despite all of the outrage over the lack of diversity, Silicon Valley hasn't been able to significantly increase the percentage of blacks, Hispanics, and women in tech roles beyond what they've traditionally been at.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2012/11/29/asian-workers-now-dominate-silicon-valley-tech-jobs/

    What has happened though is that the % of Asian Americans, primarily East and South Asians, has steadily increased in tech roles in the Bay Area to the point that they're actually the majority overall. A little reported fact in all of the diversity brouhaha is that whites are actually also under-represented in tech, although obviously not to the extent that blacks and Hispanics are.


    Asian-Americans make up half of the Bay Area’s technology workforce, and their double-digit employment gains came from jobs lost among white tech workers, according to an analysis by this newspaper of Census Bureau data released Thursday.

    The dramatic shift in the changing composition of the high-tech workforce represents a new generation of homegrown and imported workers drilled in science, technology, engineering and math studies. But the shift in workplace demographics — at least among tech companies — fails to reflect the gains of California’s Hispanic and Latino population, which lost ground in tech jobs along with African-Americans.

    “It’s the new world — a world in which whites are not the majority,” said Jan English-Lueck, associate dean of the college of social sciences at San Jose State University, who is also co-founder of the Silicon Valley Cultures Project. “Other people are being displaced.”
     

    This seems to make sense to me. I've always observed that whenever the work required increases in degree of quantitative and technical rigor, the over-representation of Asian Americans increases as well! For instance, I remarked in an earlier thread that the whitest parts of most tech companies in the Bay Area are in departments like marketing, sales, product, design, or the likes. Even the illustrious writer of this blog, Mr. Steve Sailer, worked in marketing for a number of years after getting an MBA from Rice, IIRC.

    So the bottom line is that Silicon Valley seems to be virtue signalling one thing, but in actuality doing something else, namely slowly increasing the percentage of Asian Americans in their technical workforce.

    I’ve always observed that whenever the work required increases in degree of quantitative and technical rigor, the over-representation of Asian Americans increases as well!

    Careful – that’s a passable definition of a robot!

    I remarked in an earlier thread that the whitest parts of most tech companies in the Bay Area are in departments like marketing, sales, product, design, or the likes.

    You forgot to include basically all the founders.

    In fairness, you’re East Asian, so you probably forgot to put it in because no one instructed you exactly how to put it in.

    All of this kinda sorta came to a head when Japanese leaders basically had enough of the constant complaints from their American counterparts and politely pointed out that maybe Americans had lost the ability to produce and instead grew fond of whining.

    Around the time the Japanese had run out of white-man stuff to copy (with great technical rigor and discipline!). Co-incidentally, they have since gone on to conquer the world in uniquely East Asian ways!

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  140. MCMI says:
    @Yan Shen
    As someone who works in tech in the Bay Area, albeit not as a programmer, I've experienced first hand the ideological echo chamber that is Silicon Valley. Conservative points of view are routinely demonized and not given a platform and those brave enough to defend such views risk being ostracized or worse.

    The somewhat good news is that the diversity initiatives and anti-bias workshops are mostly more of an annoyance rather than things that have actually hurt the top companies from a productivity and bottom line perspective. Despite all of the outrage over the lack of diversity, Silicon Valley hasn't been able to significantly increase the percentage of blacks, Hispanics, and women in tech roles beyond what they've traditionally been at.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2012/11/29/asian-workers-now-dominate-silicon-valley-tech-jobs/

    What has happened though is that the % of Asian Americans, primarily East and South Asians, has steadily increased in tech roles in the Bay Area to the point that they're actually the majority overall. A little reported fact in all of the diversity brouhaha is that whites are actually also under-represented in tech, although obviously not to the extent that blacks and Hispanics are.


    Asian-Americans make up half of the Bay Area’s technology workforce, and their double-digit employment gains came from jobs lost among white tech workers, according to an analysis by this newspaper of Census Bureau data released Thursday.

    The dramatic shift in the changing composition of the high-tech workforce represents a new generation of homegrown and imported workers drilled in science, technology, engineering and math studies. But the shift in workplace demographics — at least among tech companies — fails to reflect the gains of California’s Hispanic and Latino population, which lost ground in tech jobs along with African-Americans.

    “It’s the new world — a world in which whites are not the majority,” said Jan English-Lueck, associate dean of the college of social sciences at San Jose State University, who is also co-founder of the Silicon Valley Cultures Project. “Other people are being displaced.”
     

    This seems to make sense to me. I've always observed that whenever the work required increases in degree of quantitative and technical rigor, the over-representation of Asian Americans increases as well! For instance, I remarked in an earlier thread that the whitest parts of most tech companies in the Bay Area are in departments like marketing, sales, product, design, or the likes. Even the illustrious writer of this blog, Mr. Steve Sailer, worked in marketing for a number of years after getting an MBA from Rice, IIRC.

    So the bottom line is that Silicon Valley seems to be virtue signalling one thing, but in actuality doing something else, namely slowly increasing the percentage of Asian Americans in their technical workforce.

    I was permanently banned from ArsTechnica for posting a comment to one of their regular “Silicon Valley diversity” articles with similar observations. Also have worked in the valley. Most Americans would be shocked to see the tens of thousands of Asians who are employed at these companies, and to learn that most whites at these companies are in non-tech positions like marketing. Just pointing this out in a comment was enough to be banned by ArsTechnica from their forums.

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    the whitest parts of most tech companies in the Bay Area are in departments like marketing, sales, product, design, or the likes.

    As I was completing my MBA at the University of Florida in 2000, I had series of three separate interview sessions - that's three round trips from Orlando + lodging + rental car out to Intel in San Diego for a "Product Marketing Engineer" position. After all that investment and effort, no job offer was forthcoming.
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  141. mobi says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Now your true home country has conned Boeing into giving them yet more White Man technology in exchange for the “privilege” of having your slave, communist cousins build jets in China.
     
    "White Man" technology like how Americans stole from Germany technology? From the descendants of the Prussians, who were seen as being merely disciplined and otherwise rude and boring?

    I find East Asian triumphantilism to be stupid but the idea that technology hasn't constantly shifted locations and gotten expressed differently or better in different locations to be just as silly. No one was 'conned', the original idea of the elites was to shift the labor over East Asia to take advantage of cost differentials, while maintaining knowledge industries for themselves: a combination of contempt by the elites both for American workers(who would now be screwed) as well as for the Chinese(who they thought could never fully adapt or rebuild the technology).

    The latter assumption fell apart for them but that same contempt does no one any good.

    “White Man” technology like how Americans stole from Germany technology?

    Germans are white men.

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  142. @Pat Boyle
    The history of the earth (condensed version). Small groups walked out of Africa. The ones who walked West to Europe became Caucasians. Those who walked East became Orientals. The Westerners became the Greeks and Romans. The Easterners became the Chinese and the Japanese. Those who never left (Africans) never developed civilization.

    The Neolithic Revolution started in the West in the Fertile Crescent. But by the birth of Christ the East was slightly ahead. Han China crashed about the same time Rome fell but recovered faster. For most of history China was the most advanced nation on the planet. That changed about the beginning of the fifteenth century. The West (Europe and its colonies) surged forward. But the Industrial and Scientific revolutions which had begun in the West, finally came to the East.

    Lynn and Vanhaten think a nation's wealth and development is a simple function of it's populace's IQ. If that is true then China should again become the dominant nation on earth. But machine intelligence is about to dominate the globe - not Oriental intelligence.

    What do you suppose the robots will think of Africans?

    For most of history China was the most advanced nation on the planet. That changed about the beginning of the fifteenth century.

    Why did China stagnate back then?

    Please explain soon, before extreme IQ robot intelligence takes control.

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    They stagnated because they were centrally governed and once they had established a good way of doing something there was no real incentive to alter it. A new way of doing something would likely be viewed as more of a headache than an advantage.

    Europe had many power centres with many groups and regions constantly jockeying for an advantage. The innovation there was a result of competition essentially.

    I don't think Europeans should make any assumptions about Asian ability to be 'creative' based on this long gone past. A place that blossoms at one time can become stagnant in another due to all sorts of variables besides the innate wonderfulness or awfulness of the population.

    Ethnic chauvinism from Europeans is not a wise strategy. Asians have the innate IQ to succeed and they also have the advantage of large numbers. Anyone who thinks that, say, the Japanese are uncreative is fooling themselves and living off of the glory of their ancestors.
    , @Pat Boyle
    I'm not sure that you should make too much of the Chinese stagnation. Currently America could be said to be in a period of stagnation and its hard to exactly pin down why.

    There is one phenomenon that strikes me as relevant. The Chinese never associated any invention with an individual. In the West Filippo Brunelleschi insisted that he get credit for his many inventions and innovations. He more or less created intellectual property rights. But in the East the actual person who created something like the Sung Clock was unknown and unheralded.
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  143. Bleuteaux says:
    @Ex-Software Engineer
    The diversity business is a nice racket. Put together some power points about how whites are the most racist people on the planet. Exalt the glory of diversity and multiculturalism and proceed to tell whites that they have no choice but to accept their displacement in their own countries. Don't forget to put in a binder and than charge $3K per head for a 2 day seminar. Convince the management in whatever company you have targeted that they should make it MANDATORY. Presto change - you are rolling in the $$$. Do the math - company with 10000 employees x $3K per person.

    What a business.

    As for the decline of whites in tech this is part of a much larger picture which is not mentioned. The decline in whites in tech is directly related to the H1B and offshoring of tech jobs to Asia.

    I have an undergrad in computer engineering and a two masters degrees - one in management science and another in computer science. Ask me what all this education buys you one when competing against people here on H1B's for work? Not a whole lot.

    The general public is not really aware of what has been going on since before the year 2000. Prior to the year 2000 companies were freaking out about what Y2K was going to do to all the systems. They had to check each and every system to make sure it could handle a four digit year. That requires people but at the same time they had all this other work they had to do. At that point thats where India comes in - companies started bringing in thousands of people on the H1B to work on the Y2K. Than Y2K happened or should I say not happened - there was no problem.

    At that point the companies looked up and said - all these Indians we have on H1B are dirt cheap compared to our American employees, lets lay off all the Americans. Which is pretty much what has happened. After Y2K the layoffs really picked up steam. Company after company, industry after industry got rid of their American employees. Realize that the Indians are not superior but what they are though is cheaper. A lot cheaper and if you are on an H1B its basically a license to abuse you.

    As time went on the Indians that were here in the US got into management. And what do you think they did? They hired their friends and relatives. Bribes and kickbacks are the norm, thats how business works in India. It was/is on a scale that is unimaginable. It exploded actually and Americans were systematically pushed out. It just continued to grow to the point that now pretty much every IT department in every company is almost completely Indian.

    Don't get me wrong there is a sprinkling of Americans but its nowhere near like it used to be. Most Americans are gone unless you have specific specialty skills. You can't be just a programmer any more. There are tons and tons of Indian consulting companies who have connections into lots of companies via their friends and families. Basically in these companies if you are not Indian you are not getting hired. Thats how it works.

    At the same time this is happening white Americans are told they are most racist people on the planet but all the other ethnic groups are working cohesively together but whites are told that its illegal for them to do the same thing the other groups are doing. Nice, huh...

    So now its been 17 years since Y2K and frankly you have to have rocks in your head to want to get into technology. Have all this education to have to compete with foreigners in your own country and offshore for work for the rest of your life? NO THANKS. The media likes to portray Silly Valley as having streets paved with gold. Um, maybe if you hit the tech lottery and have a company that they want to buy out. But thats not the norm for the most part. A lot of it has to do with luck and being in the right place and right time, not hard work. Most companies are not Google, Apple and Facebook.

    People like to say Americans are stupid but they aren't that stupid. Young Americans looked around and realize that tech is a dead end career. They have seen their parents, parents friends and siblings laid off and replaced. You are going to spend crazy amounts of $$ on college and be told over and over how horrible you are? Than you can't find a job due to the H1B and offshoring. For what reason are you doing this?

    No thanks, I say go learn a trade.

    If you are smart enough to do engineering you are smart enough to do something else. Heck, most plumbers and electricians I know make more money than any corporate guy and they have a lot less stress. Nobody bothering you and nobody threatening to lay you off. You will be better off and will have a good life.

    As a friend who is an electrician said - if you aggravate me. I pack up my tools and leave. By the time I get to my truck they are begging me to come back.

    Excellent comment. Lost in some of this IT talk, sometimes, is the fact that this has trickled down to every other department. I work in a non-IT field and we’re about 15-20% Indian, at least.

    The other sort of unreported thing happening is that IT systems stopped evolving at least a decade or two ago, at least at my Fortune 100 company. So you have white guys in non-IT roles forced to spend half their time doing data validation because no one, especially in IT, has a clue what is really going on.

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  144. AM says:
    @Jack D
    You've really got to stop living in the past (not that the China of the past was without its own technological contributions to the West - paper, gunpowder, movable type, etc.). Western man did get a jump on the Industrial Revolution but the gap has been closed.

    https://www.expometals.net/10/250/250/206849/ImageStreamHandler.ashx

    China now produces 1/2 the steel in the world and 10x as much as the US. If your mind is stuck in the Clipper Ship era you are not going to be able to deal properly with the today's realities let alone the reality of 10 or 20 years from now. America is not the America of Andrew Carnegie and Clipper Ship captains and China is not the China of coolies and people who operate funny little grocery stores where they sell strange foods. Get that nostalgia out of your head and deal with the world as it really is now and is going to be in the future, not with how it was 150 years ago or even 20 years ago. Americans make this mistake over and over. No one in Detroit thought of Japan as a threat to the great American auto industry - Japan lost the war and made tin toys from recycled American tin cans and funny little underpowered cars that no one in their right mind would prefer to Detroit products. Stop misunderestimating Asians and take them seriously as competitors or you will pay dearly.

    You’ve really got to stop living in the past (not that the China of the past was without its own technological contributions to the West – paper, gunpowder, movable type, etc.). Western man did get a jump on the Industrial Revolution but the gap has been closed.

    Uh…we’re living post industrial revolution – China is barely getting started with theirs.

    China now produces 1/2 the steel in the world and 10x as much as the US.

    Yeah, with technology they stole from us and with the deliberate intent of state subsidizing such enterprises including through currency manipulation.

    China doesn’t engineer and hasn’t for perhaps even centuries. They reverse engineer and steal like crazy. They aren’t stupid, but they aren’t forward looking, creative,or generally honest either. The corruption that plagues them to this day is a massive part of what holds them back. The positive influence of Christianity on the West cannot be under estimated it terms of what we’ve managed to accomplish to 2017.

    Stop misunderestimating Asians and take them seriously as competitors or you will pay dearly.

    Nobody is. What I am tired of is the arrogance and attempts to take credit for what does not belong to them. The West’s Civilization does belong to all of the planet – I’m willing to share as I certainly did not develop it either – but this needs to be a moment where it’s okay to call a spade.

    This post, which unfairly tears down the US by presenting only part of the truth, is what’s becoming rapidly a point of division. Either you are for the US and the West, with all of it’s great moments and terrible moments, or you’re for something else.

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    Point well taken. But we do need to rebuild our industrial base. And we ought to ensure that someone working as hard as Neoconned enjoys a middle-class lifestyle instead of a subsistence living.
    , @Daniel Chieh

    Uh…we’re living post industrial revolution – China is barely getting started with theirs.

     

    Why, yes, I've heard that Shenzhen has just completed their first steam engine.

    China doesn’t engineer and hasn’t for perhaps even centuries.
     
    In other news, the world is flat.
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  145. @Ex-Software Engineer
    The diversity business is a nice racket. Put together some power points about how whites are the most racist people on the planet. Exalt the glory of diversity and multiculturalism and proceed to tell whites that they have no choice but to accept their displacement in their own countries. Don't forget to put in a binder and than charge $3K per head for a 2 day seminar. Convince the management in whatever company you have targeted that they should make it MANDATORY. Presto change - you are rolling in the $$$. Do the math - company with 10000 employees x $3K per person.

    What a business.

    As for the decline of whites in tech this is part of a much larger picture which is not mentioned. The decline in whites in tech is directly related to the H1B and offshoring of tech jobs to Asia.

    I have an undergrad in computer engineering and a two masters degrees - one in management science and another in computer science. Ask me what all this education buys you one when competing against people here on H1B's for work? Not a whole lot.

    The general public is not really aware of what has been going on since before the year 2000. Prior to the year 2000 companies were freaking out about what Y2K was going to do to all the systems. They had to check each and every system to make sure it could handle a four digit year. That requires people but at the same time they had all this other work they had to do. At that point thats where India comes in - companies started bringing in thousands of people on the H1B to work on the Y2K. Than Y2K happened or should I say not happened - there was no problem.

    At that point the companies looked up and said - all these Indians we have on H1B are dirt cheap compared to our American employees, lets lay off all the Americans. Which is pretty much what has happened. After Y2K the layoffs really picked up steam. Company after company, industry after industry got rid of their American employees. Realize that the Indians are not superior but what they are though is cheaper. A lot cheaper and if you are on an H1B its basically a license to abuse you.

    As time went on the Indians that were here in the US got into management. And what do you think they did? They hired their friends and relatives. Bribes and kickbacks are the norm, thats how business works in India. It was/is on a scale that is unimaginable. It exploded actually and Americans were systematically pushed out. It just continued to grow to the point that now pretty much every IT department in every company is almost completely Indian.

    Don't get me wrong there is a sprinkling of Americans but its nowhere near like it used to be. Most Americans are gone unless you have specific specialty skills. You can't be just a programmer any more. There are tons and tons of Indian consulting companies who have connections into lots of companies via their friends and families. Basically in these companies if you are not Indian you are not getting hired. Thats how it works.

    At the same time this is happening white Americans are told they are most racist people on the planet but all the other ethnic groups are working cohesively together but whites are told that its illegal for them to do the same thing the other groups are doing. Nice, huh...

    So now its been 17 years since Y2K and frankly you have to have rocks in your head to want to get into technology. Have all this education to have to compete with foreigners in your own country and offshore for work for the rest of your life? NO THANKS. The media likes to portray Silly Valley as having streets paved with gold. Um, maybe if you hit the tech lottery and have a company that they want to buy out. But thats not the norm for the most part. A lot of it has to do with luck and being in the right place and right time, not hard work. Most companies are not Google, Apple and Facebook.

    People like to say Americans are stupid but they aren't that stupid. Young Americans looked around and realize that tech is a dead end career. They have seen their parents, parents friends and siblings laid off and replaced. You are going to spend crazy amounts of $$ on college and be told over and over how horrible you are? Than you can't find a job due to the H1B and offshoring. For what reason are you doing this?

    No thanks, I say go learn a trade.

    If you are smart enough to do engineering you are smart enough to do something else. Heck, most plumbers and electricians I know make more money than any corporate guy and they have a lot less stress. Nobody bothering you and nobody threatening to lay you off. You will be better off and will have a good life.

    As a friend who is an electrician said - if you aggravate me. I pack up my tools and leave. By the time I get to my truck they are begging me to come back.

    maybe if you hit the tech lottery and have a company that they want to buy out

    This is how a lot of fresh grads get suckered in. A lot of college kids say they want to “work for a start-up.” So they end up working obscene hours at a “unicorn”, eating dinner at the office and doing virtually all of their socializing with their coworkers, because they’re “like a family.” When the big exit never happens, these people end up pretty bitter (read anything by Michael O. Church).

    These are generally pretty smart kids, but their reasoning is no better than a poor person buying lotto tickets.

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    The reality of unlimited capitalism is that most new businesses must fail before anyone besides the top elite gets much of anything out of it. For every Apple or Microsoft, there have to be a thousand dead companies.

    For most people, the good life is a job at a large company that was around when their grandparents were born, or if a tradesman, get a trade with some sort of union muscle (that includes law and medicine, the ABA and the AMA are no different than the Teamsters). Live under your means and put money away in a well managed fund.

    Most people are simply not dedicated or ruthless enough to really make it in their own business.
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  146. res says:

    I had not seen information about the lawyer representing James Damore before:

    Mr. Damore filed a labor complaint against Google in August and said more than 20 people had reached out about joining together for a class-action suit about systemic discrimination against men. He is represented by Harmeet Dhillon, a local firebrand lawyer.

    “It’s become fashionable in Silicon Valley for people like James, a white man, to be put into a category of less desirable for promotion and advancement,” Ms. Dhillon said. “Some companies have hiring goals like ‘We’ll give you a bonus if you’re a hiring manager and you hire 70 percent women to this organization.’ That’s illegal.”

    I believe this is her: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmeet_Dhillon

    Now that I know the name it is easy to find all of the articles from last month like: http://www.businessinsider.com/harmeet-dhillon-james-damore-2017-8
    Interesting how my news aggregator did not show me any of those despite providing an extended diet of “Damore is evil” back then.

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    Interesting how my news aggregator did not show me any of those despite providing an extended diet of “Damore is evil” back then.
     
    Google and Facebook tweak news feeds to hide information damaging to themselves. Who da think??
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  147. AM says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Now your true home country has conned Boeing into giving them yet more White Man technology in exchange for the “privilege” of having your slave, communist cousins build jets in China.
     
    "White Man" technology like how Americans stole from Germany technology? From the descendants of the Prussians, who were seen as being merely disciplined and otherwise rude and boring?

    I find East Asian triumphantilism to be stupid but the idea that technology hasn't constantly shifted locations and gotten expressed differently or better in different locations to be just as silly. No one was 'conned', the original idea of the elites was to shift the labor over East Asia to take advantage of cost differentials, while maintaining knowledge industries for themselves: a combination of contempt by the elites both for American workers(who would now be screwed) as well as for the Chinese(who they thought could never fully adapt or rebuild the technology).

    The latter assumption fell apart for them but that same contempt does no one any good.

    “White Man” technology like how Americans stole from Germany technology?

    Since they are both white, of West Civilization, and Americans have a significant German ancestry, it’s sort of just a location move within the same civilization.

    But that said, I agree with the rest of your post. It was also the usual arrogance of the elite to think the Chinese stupid, when they obviously had a well developed civilization of their own.

    I only ever think of the Chinese as desperately needing a general clean up of the culture.

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  148. Forbes says:
    @The Only Catholic Unionist
    "Why Are You Passionate About Working on Diversity and Inclusion?"

    In logic, that's known as a "smuggled premise".

    Aren’t these ‘diversity and inclusion’ jobs akin to affirmative action for white women? I.e. jobs for which there are no apparent qualifications or standards. It’s the natural, next progression from the shake-down artists who conduct ‘sensitivity’ training seminars.

    These ‘arrangements’ are modeled on the scam of buying a seal of approval from Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow Coalition, the result of a ransom payment after a hold-up, companies now engage in indoctrination and re-education sessions with consultants–re-named training and professional development.

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  149. Numinous says:
    @Pat Boyle
    The history of the earth (condensed version). Small groups walked out of Africa. The ones who walked West to Europe became Caucasians. Those who walked East became Orientals. The Westerners became the Greeks and Romans. The Easterners became the Chinese and the Japanese. Those who never left (Africans) never developed civilization.

    The Neolithic Revolution started in the West in the Fertile Crescent. But by the birth of Christ the East was slightly ahead. Han China crashed about the same time Rome fell but recovered faster. For most of history China was the most advanced nation on the planet. That changed about the beginning of the fifteenth century. The West (Europe and its colonies) surged forward. But the Industrial and Scientific revolutions which had begun in the West, finally came to the East.

    Lynn and Vanhaten think a nation's wealth and development is a simple function of it's populace's IQ. If that is true then China should again become the dominant nation on earth. But machine intelligence is about to dominate the globe - not Oriental intelligence.

    What do you suppose the robots will think of Africans?

    The Neolithic Revolution started in the West in the Fertile Crescent.

    The Fertile Crescent was no more “West” than modern Kurdistan is. And your view of history is quite bogus.

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  150. Mr. Anon says:
    @Thomm
    You are right, of course.

    But keep in mind that race nationalists (of any race) have very left-wing economic views. So race nationalists are not the 'right' in any event.

    Everything is left-wing except for ideologies where small government/free-markets are the central premise.

    Everything is left-wing except for ideologies where small government/free-markets are the central premise.

    No, what you are describing is libertarianism, which is not really “right”.

    So, according to you, Otto von Bismarck was a leftist?

    You are an historically ignorant idiot. But everyone here knows that already, you ridiculous clown.

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    Otto von Bismarck was a leftist?
     
    You should examine what people do, and not their political posturing. Was Nixon a leftist? I'll bet you think he wasn't. But what Nixon did was implement the leftist agenda. He thought it would endear him to the media, academia and the leftist opinion makers. How did that work out?

    Was George W. Bush a leftist? I say he was. What do you say?

    So before you accuse @Thomm of being "an historically ignorant idiot" and a "ridiculous clown" maybe you should check your presuppositions.
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  151. Forbes says:
    @Ex-Software Engineer
    The diversity business is a nice racket. Put together some power points about how whites are the most racist people on the planet. Exalt the glory of diversity and multiculturalism and proceed to tell whites that they have no choice but to accept their displacement in their own countries. Don't forget to put in a binder and than charge $3K per head for a 2 day seminar. Convince the management in whatever company you have targeted that they should make it MANDATORY. Presto change - you are rolling in the $$$. Do the math - company with 10000 employees x $3K per person.

    What a business.

    As for the decline of whites in tech this is part of a much larger picture which is not mentioned. The decline in whites in tech is directly related to the H1B and offshoring of tech jobs to Asia.

    I have an undergrad in computer engineering and a two masters degrees - one in management science and another in computer science. Ask me what all this education buys you one when competing against people here on H1B's for work? Not a whole lot.

    The general public is not really aware of what has been going on since before the year 2000. Prior to the year 2000 companies were freaking out about what Y2K was going to do to all the systems. They had to check each and every system to make sure it could handle a four digit year. That requires people but at the same time they had all this other work they had to do. At that point thats where India comes in - companies started bringing in thousands of people on the H1B to work on the Y2K. Than Y2K happened or should I say not happened - there was no problem.

    At that point the companies looked up and said - all these Indians we have on H1B are dirt cheap compared to our American employees, lets lay off all the Americans. Which is pretty much what has happened. After Y2K the layoffs really picked up steam. Company after company, industry after industry got rid of their American employees. Realize that the Indians are not superior but what they are though is cheaper. A lot cheaper and if you are on an H1B its basically a license to abuse you.

    As time went on the Indians that were here in the US got into management. And what do you think they did? They hired their friends and relatives. Bribes and kickbacks are the norm, thats how business works in India. It was/is on a scale that is unimaginable. It exploded actually and Americans were systematically pushed out. It just continued to grow to the point that now pretty much every IT department in every company is almost completely Indian.

    Don't get me wrong there is a sprinkling of Americans but its nowhere near like it used to be. Most Americans are gone unless you have specific specialty skills. You can't be just a programmer any more. There are tons and tons of Indian consulting companies who have connections into lots of companies via their friends and families. Basically in these companies if you are not Indian you are not getting hired. Thats how it works.

    At the same time this is happening white Americans are told they are most racist people on the planet but all the other ethnic groups are working cohesively together but whites are told that its illegal for them to do the same thing the other groups are doing. Nice, huh...

    So now its been 17 years since Y2K and frankly you have to have rocks in your head to want to get into technology. Have all this education to have to compete with foreigners in your own country and offshore for work for the rest of your life? NO THANKS. The media likes to portray Silly Valley as having streets paved with gold. Um, maybe if you hit the tech lottery and have a company that they want to buy out. But thats not the norm for the most part. A lot of it has to do with luck and being in the right place and right time, not hard work. Most companies are not Google, Apple and Facebook.

    People like to say Americans are stupid but they aren't that stupid. Young Americans looked around and realize that tech is a dead end career. They have seen their parents, parents friends and siblings laid off and replaced. You are going to spend crazy amounts of $$ on college and be told over and over how horrible you are? Than you can't find a job due to the H1B and offshoring. For what reason are you doing this?

    No thanks, I say go learn a trade.

    If you are smart enough to do engineering you are smart enough to do something else. Heck, most plumbers and electricians I know make more money than any corporate guy and they have a lot less stress. Nobody bothering you and nobody threatening to lay you off. You will be better off and will have a good life.

    As a friend who is an electrician said - if you aggravate me. I pack up my tools and leave. By the time I get to my truck they are begging me to come back.

    Don’t forget to put in a binder and than charge $3K per head for a 2 day seminar.

    Is it taught in the nude? I’m wondering what the consultants do to keep you awake after the first 15-minutes…

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  152. Mr. Anon says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    In the modern day corporate environment, you have to pretend to be extremely "passionate" about whatever the corporation is producing/marketing. If you don't, they can easily fire you and replace you with another worker. Corporations are full of people who hate their job and are there purely for the paycheck, but constantly bull5hit about how they 're "passionate about the company's mission."

    Here's my theory. Mandating employees demonstrate "passion" is like demanding an act of subservience. The employee is demonstrating to the management that he's willing to say and do anything the corporation wants. That makes him more likely to comply with orders and not fight back against management.

    Corporations want docile peons.

    Corporations want docile peons.

    I can’t think of a single large organization that doesn’t want docile peons. A lot of smaller organizations want them too.

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    The NFL?
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  153. Nico says:
    @res
    I had not seen information about the lawyer representing James Damore before:

    Mr. Damore filed a labor complaint against Google in August and said more than 20 people had reached out about joining together for a class-action suit about systemic discrimination against men. He is represented by Harmeet Dhillon, a local firebrand lawyer.

    “It’s become fashionable in Silicon Valley for people like James, a white man, to be put into a category of less desirable for promotion and advancement,” Ms. Dhillon said. “Some companies have hiring goals like ‘We’ll give you a bonus if you’re a hiring manager and you hire 70 percent women to this organization.’ That’s illegal.”
     
    I believe this is her: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmeet_Dhillon

    Now that I know the name it is easy to find all of the articles from last month like: http://www.businessinsider.com/harmeet-dhillon-james-damore-2017-8
    Interesting how my news aggregator did not show me any of those despite providing an extended diet of "Damore is evil" back then.

    Interesting how my news aggregator did not show me any of those despite providing an extended diet of “Damore is evil” back then.

    Google and Facebook tweak news feeds to hide information damaging to themselves. Who da think??

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  154. @Daniel Chieh

    Now your true home country has conned Boeing into giving them yet more White Man technology in exchange for the “privilege” of having your slave, communist cousins build jets in China.
     
    "White Man" technology like how Americans stole from Germany technology? From the descendants of the Prussians, who were seen as being merely disciplined and otherwise rude and boring?

    I find East Asian triumphantilism to be stupid but the idea that technology hasn't constantly shifted locations and gotten expressed differently or better in different locations to be just as silly. No one was 'conned', the original idea of the elites was to shift the labor over East Asia to take advantage of cost differentials, while maintaining knowledge industries for themselves: a combination of contempt by the elites both for American workers(who would now be screwed) as well as for the Chinese(who they thought could never fully adapt or rebuild the technology).

    The latter assumption fell apart for them but that same contempt does no one any good.

    Americans invented the airplane.

    Europeans invented the jet engine.

    They both invented the jet airliner.

    Your “Germans” had little to do with it, except that they too, independently, invented the jet engine and the jet fighter. No doubt, if they’d won the war, their industry would have built jet airliners, like the English de Havilland Comet and the American Boeing 707 — the grandfather of all jet airliners since.

    Since I was referring to jet airliners, I don’t see how I was wrong.

    Anyway, do you notice how they are all White people?

    Boeing caved to China, as all American companies do, just so they could sell airliners to China.

    I agree with you, of course, that the upper class does not give a crap about us, and this is their globe, with no borders. “Imagine there’s no countries…”

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    It's true that the defeated Germans contributed not much to modern jetliner design, but when it comes to rockets, both the US and the Soviet (and all the other) space programs owe their origin to the Germans (although the Germans in turn learned from Goddard, who was a prophet without honor in his own country). Without the German scientists taken by both sides, the Space Age might have started a decade or more later. It is unfortunate that many of these scientist were also war criminals, not only for sending rockets against civilian populations but also because their rocket factory at Mittelbau-Dora was manned by concentration camp labor under the usual horrifying conditions. It is said that more people died making the V-2 than were killed by it. However, the necessities of the Cold War caused both sides to overlook such "minor" quibbles such as having war criminals such as SS Sturmbannführer von Braun running their space program. The Redstone was in essence an upgraded V-2.
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  155. @Jack D
    You've really got to stop living in the past (not that the China of the past was without its own technological contributions to the West - paper, gunpowder, movable type, etc.). Western man did get a jump on the Industrial Revolution but the gap has been closed.

    https://www.expometals.net/10/250/250/206849/ImageStreamHandler.ashx

    China now produces 1/2 the steel in the world and 10x as much as the US. If your mind is stuck in the Clipper Ship era you are not going to be able to deal properly with the today's realities let alone the reality of 10 or 20 years from now. America is not the America of Andrew Carnegie and Clipper Ship captains and China is not the China of coolies and people who operate funny little grocery stores where they sell strange foods. Get that nostalgia out of your head and deal with the world as it really is now and is going to be in the future, not with how it was 150 years ago or even 20 years ago. Americans make this mistake over and over. No one in Detroit thought of Japan as a threat to the great American auto industry - Japan lost the war and made tin toys from recycled American tin cans and funny little underpowered cars that no one in their right mind would prefer to Detroit products. Stop misunderestimating Asians and take them seriously as competitors or you will pay dearly.

    Oh, I take Asians seriously. We are giving them our country and addicting ourselves to their productivity. That’s what I’m alarmed about.

    All that productivity you mention is them using what they learned from our industry.

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    It's impossible to stop the flow of technology. The American textile industry got started when British weavers came over from the UK - they may or may not have "borrowed" copies of the plans for the automated looms.

    Maybe some of the US companies make it too easy for the Asians to get their hands on American technology but ultimately it's a losing battle - in the modern world you can't keep the "secret" of chip making or airplane manufacture or anything else to yourself. All you can do is compete on the world market and make sure that your product and your workers are the best.

    Boeing did this and they still sell US made planes to China (at least for now). If you are complacent then you are dead meat - you have to keep ahead of the competition at all times. The US lost its TV manufacturing business and it is never, never coming back. China is starting to make its own small airliners out of aluminum but Boeing is still ahead with composites. Once your product falls behind the competition you lose your market share and the death spiral begins so you have to remain one step ahead of the competition.
    , @Yan Shen
    Sorry ran out of time on my previous post. A couple of additional comments. One is that it seems like there are a lot more East Asians than whites globally because China is a giant country with a population of over 1380 million, while there are numerous European countries each with much smaller populations. So that tends to skew the perception somewhat.

    I also wanted comment on the conversation that you and Jack D are having about technology and its evolution and transfer. I mostly agree with Jack D's comments about the flow of modern day tech being inexorable.

    I would also point out that a non-trivial percentage of the tech R&D done in America is done by East Asian immigrants. In an earlier thread when discussing Apple versus its East Asian competitors, I specifically pointed out that one of the most value added components in many of Apple's products was the OLED display. The father of the OLED is often considered to be a Chinese American immigrant Ching Tang and Apple sources all of its displays from East Asian companies, many from their direct competitor Samsung!

    Another example might be the 3-D trigate transistor that Intel put out in the early 2010s that was heralded as a radical advance in CPU design.

    http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110506/full/news.2011.274.html


    This week, computer chip manufacturer Intel announced that it is preparing to enter a new dimension in transistors — literally. Known as Tri-Gate, its new transistor will be the first to go into mass production with a truly three-dimensional (3D) structure.

    The Tri-Gate design is essentially a variant of a 'FinFET' 3D structure developed in the late 1990s by Chenming Hu and his colleagues at the University of California, Berkeley.
     

    Another Taiwanese American immigrant, Chenming Hu, is often considered to be the father of the FinFet.

    I point this out because it complicates your America vs China dichotomy somewhat. When China uses Nvidia GPU technology for their computing purposes, does it matter for instance that Nividia was co-founded by Taiwanese immigrant Jen Hsun Huang? Not to speak of the fact that a vastly disproportionate share of tech workers in general at many of these companies, especially the hardware ones such as Intel, Nvidia, etc. are of Asian descent.

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  156. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Neoconned
    I work 3 jobs, all in the food service restaurant industry. 2 of these jobs are cooking at 2 different fast food establishments. I live in the Deep South, near New Orleans. Today it was 92 degrees F.....humidity was near 100 pc. We consider LA cold & Arizona simply warm.

    I woke up at 4am today and walked a mile to McD's. I walk in the road this time of yr because the sidewalk has Cottonmouth "water moccasin" snakes and Copperheads that like to hide in the grass at the edge. Almost stepped on 4 or 5 just in the past month. These are species of pit vipers.

    I get to work right away at five. I change six 40pound towel buckets. Thats the 1st task. I burn my hands often from the scalding water. Then often spill it on my shoes.

    Next task is going to scrub the public toilets w bleach solution. This isnt so bad as i wear gloves & get to listen to oldies and classic rock on the satellite radio feed. Moderately relaxing. But still, scrubbing shit off the walls and penile, vaginal, and anal fluids and urine off the toilets is hardly fun much less noble.

    This must be done by 6am. At 6 i go and clean the parking lot. This is the nicest part of my entire day. Its much cooler in the morning. About 70-75F but still muggy. I still have to dodge cars, occasionally put up w drunk or mental case guests, and clean broken glass, cigarette butts, beer bottles, used diapers and tampons, condoms, and spilled food along with other random assorted trash.

    I then go lift the 25 lb doors of the dumpster and empty all this shit out.

    Next i go inside and assemble and break down all discarded boxes and trash. Trash goes in a trash compactor. I cart the boxes to the dumpster on a push cart thing. Back & forth its an eighth of a mile just doing that. Next comes the compactor. If there are cars in the drive thru u wait for them to pass. The customer is always right as my management says. Even if its 85f outside and you're sweating like in a sauna.

    You wear hot black pants, even in high summer.

    I throw the boxes into the dumpster and then use the hydraulic lift to raise the compressed trash up. I then remove a ring and ease the baled trash into the dumpster.

    If the ring falls in the dumpster guess whos going in after it. If the trash bale falls early & spills everywhere guess who's grabbing a broom/dustpan....

    Then bring the cart and compactor back in. Set the annoying door alarm & then double bag the compactor & spending 2-3 min monkeying it into the slots that it has to go into.

    Next i sweep AND mop this area.

    Now its 7am. From here to 930-950am i filter the fryers.

    That means lugging the greasy grease bins to the back, spraying them out and changing out the cleaning pad, magnesium coating, and unplugging all the holes fikled with grease and crumbs. Then lugging these bulky 50 lb containers BACK AND THEN you start filtering. Be careful, oil is expensive. I filter and change oil only as needed and must ask permission before changing each vat from manager on duty.

    When filtering, you often get dripping hot grease onto your hands and arms. Grease burns are common. Each vat must filter 5min minimum. Each vat must be immaculate to get signed off on. I cant begin to tell you what a bitch this is.

    After this i go to grill. My neurotic bipolar boss gives me literally 3-4 jobs to do @ once.

    Not only do i cook food and sweat like a pig in front of the 200 degree grill but i must maintain as clean a work station as possible. You are often asked to do stupid nitpick jobs the teenyboppers up front are too incompetent to do. This includes bringing up ice, changing trash, stocking the fries or the fry station, cleaning lobby, printing numerous "date & time" stickers to put on ingredient & food containers to meet health dept regulation, etc

    All this on top of cooking food REAL FAST so the line doesn't get jammed up. Im usually off at 2.

    I eat lunch in the lobby. I often fall asleep sitting up watching tv in the lobby due to exhaustion. I leave & walk half an hr to my 2nd job at a pizza place. I work til eight when i go home. Thats my side job.

    I wash dishes out of boredom when orders slow.

    This the tranny delivery driver literally whines about doing because he/she doesn't want to chip a nail or get grime or grease on their clothes.

    On weekdays my 3rd job is washing dishes at a college cafeteria.

    Thats a part time gig.

    You get the picture

    I'll spare you the routine of that job but McD's is preferable and i just told you what a hell that is. At the end of the day i walk a mile back home to the 80-90pc black slum i live in.

    They leave me alone because i threatened the drug dealers on my street when they threatened me and my family because they thought i was a policeman (lol) or an informer. Dont have many problems with them any more. Go to bed, rinse repeat.

    Now, the question I'm dying to ask: how the hell do i get in on this racket? Sitting in front of a PowerPoint and talking some scripted shit my boss wrote for me.

    Last year after taxes i think i cleared $8500-10k

    Im assuming these rentiers make in the range of $150-200k per yr....

    Ill work for a fifth to a quarter of what they make and work triple the hours and still triple what i make doing 3 lousy restaurant jobs.....

    Seriously i want in, I'd put these goldbrickers on the unemployment line within a week....

    “Last year after taxes i think i cleared $8500-10k

    What about the Earned Income Tax credit? Shouldn’t you get money back from the government if you’re not making much? (I’m certainly no expert on the EIT credit, so it could be that I’m misunderstanding something here.)

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    I actually took the course to be an hr Block person in 2014. Didnt get hired on.

    I know the instructor guy, in his words dont do the eitc unless you have kids. And i dont. The irs scrutinzes that crap and i dont want to risk getting audited....

    Then again i have nothing for them to take as an asset.....
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  157. Jack D says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Oh, I take Asians seriously. We are giving them our country and addicting ourselves to their productivity. That's what I'm alarmed about.

    All that productivity you mention is them using what they learned from our industry.

    It’s impossible to stop the flow of technology. The American textile industry got started when British weavers came over from the UK – they may or may not have “borrowed” copies of the plans for the automated looms.

    Maybe some of the US companies make it too easy for the Asians to get their hands on American technology but ultimately it’s a losing battle – in the modern world you can’t keep the “secret” of chip making or airplane manufacture or anything else to yourself. All you can do is compete on the world market and make sure that your product and your workers are the best.

    Boeing did this and they still sell US made planes to China (at least for now). If you are complacent then you are dead meat – you have to keep ahead of the competition at all times. The US lost its TV manufacturing business and it is never, never coming back. China is starting to make its own small airliners out of aluminum but Boeing is still ahead with composites. Once your product falls behind the competition you lose your market share and the death spiral begins so you have to remain one step ahead of the competition.

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    Then it's all over, Jack.

    There is no way we can compete with the East Asians, because there are far more of them than there are of us, and because they are just as smart as we are.

    This is why some of us want to shut the damn door. Cut off the immigration, and cut off the imports.

    Look, Americans built their industry by selling to each other. So did the Europeans. How do you think the Chinese did it? You know. They sold to US! We bankrolled them. We were the market. Now that we have capitalized them, they are selling to themselves and to us. We have no hope of ever competing with a monster that big.

    It's over, Jack.

    , @David Davenport
    The US lost its TV manufacturing business and it is never, never coming back.

    Jack D, please explain why America can never, ever manufacture flat panel smart TV's to compete with East Asia.
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  158. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @JohnnyWalker123
    From the 70s through the 90s, there were a substantial number of Indian tech workers that migrated to the U.S. Especially after the immigration liberalization of the early 90s. However, the numbers didn't really start exploding until the year 2000. That was when the Indians began to come in massive, unending numbers.

    Much of this is because the practice of nepotistic hiring. It seems like Indians hire extensively on linguistic/caste lines, so non-Indians get squeezed out. If you're not from their ethnicity and subgroup, you will not be hired. Simple as that.

    I do think that the pre-2000 Indians were actually pretty smart. When these people moved into positions of management, they were able to start the process of nepotistic hiring of mediocre people. That continues even through today, with whole IT departments having become totally foreignized. You'll notice a huge difference in ability between the smarter pre-2000 Indians (mostly hired by Americans) and the much more mediocre post-2000 Indians (mostly hired by fellow Indians of similar caste and language).

    Y2k demonstrated to American employers that they could make effective use of cheap, competent Indian programmers. That's what enabled the Indian managers to start outsourcing back home and insourcing H-1bs.

    Much of this is because the practice of nepotistic hiring. It seems like Indians hire extensively on linguistic/caste lines, so non-Indians get squeezed out. If you’re not from their ethnicity and subgroup, you will not be hired. Simple as that.

    Old boy network of whites – bad and must be destroyed. Old boy network of every other racial/ethnic group – good. This sounds fair and like a real winner for white people.

    Maybe white people need to start pushing for membership in country clubs or other social clubs of these various racial and ethnic groups. This would force them to be careful about what they say in front of their white members. It would make it harder for people of these other races/ethnicities to speak freely and openly with one another in their social and professional groups, and therefore make it harder for them to form tight cohesive relationships with one another.

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  159. @Jack D
    It's impossible to stop the flow of technology. The American textile industry got started when British weavers came over from the UK - they may or may not have "borrowed" copies of the plans for the automated looms.

    Maybe some of the US companies make it too easy for the Asians to get their hands on American technology but ultimately it's a losing battle - in the modern world you can't keep the "secret" of chip making or airplane manufacture or anything else to yourself. All you can do is compete on the world market and make sure that your product and your workers are the best.

    Boeing did this and they still sell US made planes to China (at least for now). If you are complacent then you are dead meat - you have to keep ahead of the competition at all times. The US lost its TV manufacturing business and it is never, never coming back. China is starting to make its own small airliners out of aluminum but Boeing is still ahead with composites. Once your product falls behind the competition you lose your market share and the death spiral begins so you have to remain one step ahead of the competition.

    Then it’s all over, Jack.

    There is no way we can compete with the East Asians, because there are far more of them than there are of us, and because they are just as smart as we are.

    This is why some of us want to shut the damn door. Cut off the immigration, and cut off the imports.

    Look, Americans built their industry by selling to each other. So did the Europeans. How do you think the Chinese did it? You know. They sold to US! We bankrolled them. We were the market. Now that we have capitalized them, they are selling to themselves and to us. We have no hope of ever competing with a monster that big.

    It’s over, Jack.

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    There is no way we can compete with the East Asians, because there are far more of them than there are of us, and because they are just as smart as we are.
     
    By my estimate, there are about a billion or so whites of European descent globally outside of Latin America. Depending on whether or not you want to count whites in Latin America, that could be another 100-200 million or so. So anywhere between 1 to 1.2 billion whites. By comparison there over 1.6 billion East Asians.

    I mean I don't know if I would describe 1.6 billion vs 1-1.2 billion as far more, but maybe some would.
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  160. Yan Shen says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    After thousands of years of not going anywhere, you guys sure seem eager to take what European Man created and call it your own.

    Hey, dude, did you fly over here on a Chinese jet? No, it was an aircraft invented and built by White Men. Now your true home country has conned Boeing into giving them yet more White Man technology in exchange for the "privilege" of having your slave, communist cousins build jets in China.

    Such is the story of American-Chinese transactions in our time.

    My great, great grandfather was the captain of a clipper ship, yet another White Man invention, which he sailed between San Francisco and China. I have some of your ancestors' woodwork in my living room. It's worth some money now. He brought it over.

    I am named after him.

    He also brought over some of your ancestors. Their descendants sell Chinese food in Chinatown, San Francisco.

    As you quietly take what our people invented (as you gradually boil the round-eyed frogs) a simple "thank you" might be in order.

    Nah brah, I uh came over here by boat obviously… ;)

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  161. Jack D says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Americans invented the airplane.

    Europeans invented the jet engine.

    They both invented the jet airliner.

    Your "Germans" had little to do with it, except that they too, independently, invented the jet engine and the jet fighter. No doubt, if they'd won the war, their industry would have built jet airliners, like the English de Havilland Comet and the American Boeing 707 -- the grandfather of all jet airliners since.

    Since I was referring to jet airliners, I don't see how I was wrong.

    Anyway, do you notice how they are all White people?

    Boeing caved to China, as all American companies do, just so they could sell airliners to China.

    I agree with you, of course, that the upper class does not give a crap about us, and this is their globe, with no borders. "Imagine there's no countries..."

    It’s true that the defeated Germans contributed not much to modern jetliner design, but when it comes to rockets, both the US and the Soviet (and all the other) space programs owe their origin to the Germans (although the Germans in turn learned from Goddard, who was a prophet without honor in his own country). Without the German scientists taken by both sides, the Space Age might have started a decade or more later. It is unfortunate that many of these scientist were also war criminals, not only for sending rockets against civilian populations but also because their rocket factory at Mittelbau-Dora was manned by concentration camp labor under the usual horrifying conditions. It is said that more people died making the V-2 than were killed by it. However, the necessities of the Cold War caused both sides to overlook such “minor” quibbles such as having war criminals such as SS Sturmbannführer von Braun running their space program. The Redstone was in essence an upgraded V-2.

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    Yes, I know all this. Sorry to have to say it, but, yawn, I do.

    What does that have to do with anything? The Americans, like Goddard, and the Germans, like von Braun, were white people. Therefore, rocketry and space travel are yet more White Man creations.

    (And by the way, you and nobody else who brings this up ever seems to mention the massive, massive developments made by both Americans and Soviets after the war. The Germans brought their Goddard-inspired missile, and then it was game on and nobody looked back.)

    Now, do you want to remind me that the Chinese invented little, solid-fueled fireworks rockets a thousand years ago?

    (Sorry, this is all in good humor. Your points are all valid.)

    , @Daniel Chieh
    As an American scientist working in China told me, which originally inspired the thought and made me laugh:

    "China is America 2.0, including stealing all ideas from elsewhere and rehybridizing them to destroy their creators."

    Which, of course, doesn't mean that anyone who's having their ideas repurposed should be thrilled about it. But there's a lot of truth in that.

    At any rate, the people who live in China now aren't the Chinese of the 1800s, etc, for better or worse. More than probably any other East Asian nation, they almost completely destroyed their own culture to become...something. But there's not that much left of the past, beyond glimmers here and there.

    Stress changes people and populations, for the better, and for the worse. In that, there is some commonality with the Jewish people.

    , @BB753
    "It is unfortunate that many of these scientist were also war criminals"

    What does that make of the scientists involved in the Manhattan project? Oppenheimer, Fermi, Böhr, Feinman, etc?
    War criminals too, because Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't military targets.
    , @Mr. Anon

    It’s true that the defeated Germans contributed not much to modern jetliner design, but when it comes to rockets, both the US and the Soviet (and all the other) space programs owe their origin to the Germans (although the Germans in turn learned from Goddard, who was a prophet without honor in his own country).
     
    The Germans admired Goddard, but they didn't learn that much from him. They went far beyond anything he had dreamed of.

    "Without the German scientists taken by both sides, the Space Age might have started a decade or more later. It is unfortunate that many of these scientist were also war criminals, not only for sending rockets against civilian populations but also because their rocket factory at Mittelbau-Dora was manned by concentration camp labor under the usual horrifying conditions. It is said that more people died making the V-2 than were killed by it."

    That may be true, especially if you consider all the people who died from starvation or malnutrition because the Germans diverted a large fraction of Europe's potato crop to the manufacture of ethanol for the V-2. It should be noted however, that the V-2 helped shorten the war for the allies. The Germans diverted massive resources to making and launching the V-2 - resources that could have been allocated to machine-guns, tanks, and airplanes - for a weapon that had no real military value at that time.
    , @Mr. Anon

    However, the necessities of the Cold War caused both sides to overlook such “minor” quibbles such as having war criminals such as SS Sturmbannführer von Braun running their space program.
     
    As Tom Lehrer said of von Braun "Nazi - Schmazi". When you're working for the Reich, and Heinrich Himmler tells you it would be a good idea for you to accept a majors' commission in the SS, you say yes, unless you prefer getting stood up against a wall and exiting history as a footnote. As another commenter noted, had the war gone differently, Curtis Lemay (and maybe, even, Jimmy Stewart) would have been considered war criminals.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    these scientist were also war criminals, not only for sending rockets against civilian populations

     

    LOL. Bomb in nose cone of V-2 bad, bomb in B17 bomb bay good.

    Germans are lucky they didn't make the atom bomb first and nuke London with it because they would never hear the end of it.
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  162. Romanian says: • Website
    @unpc downunder
    I wouldn't say Hollywood was good, most of what it produces is cheesy, cartoonish, or overly sentimental fodder for the masses. And the US isn't exactly creative when it comes to TV shows. Every other US TV show seems to be a rip off of a British show. However, I would say it is very efficient at doing what it does. The American entertainment industry is harder working and more commercially-minded that its rivals in other countries, and that's one of the reasons why it dominates the global film and TV industries.

    Orwell called it “prolefeed”.

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  163. @Jack D
    It's true that the defeated Germans contributed not much to modern jetliner design, but when it comes to rockets, both the US and the Soviet (and all the other) space programs owe their origin to the Germans (although the Germans in turn learned from Goddard, who was a prophet without honor in his own country). Without the German scientists taken by both sides, the Space Age might have started a decade or more later. It is unfortunate that many of these scientist were also war criminals, not only for sending rockets against civilian populations but also because their rocket factory at Mittelbau-Dora was manned by concentration camp labor under the usual horrifying conditions. It is said that more people died making the V-2 than were killed by it. However, the necessities of the Cold War caused both sides to overlook such "minor" quibbles such as having war criminals such as SS Sturmbannführer von Braun running their space program. The Redstone was in essence an upgraded V-2.

    Yes, I know all this. Sorry to have to say it, but, yawn, I do.

    What does that have to do with anything? The Americans, like Goddard, and the Germans, like von Braun, were white people. Therefore, rocketry and space travel are yet more White Man creations.

    (And by the way, you and nobody else who brings this up ever seems to mention the massive, massive developments made by both Americans and Soviets after the war. The Germans brought their Goddard-inspired missile, and then it was game on and nobody looked back.)

    Now, do you want to remind me that the Chinese invented little, solid-fueled fireworks rockets a thousand years ago?

    (Sorry, this is all in good humor. Your points are all valid.)

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    The point is simple: who develops things changes over time. Attempting to predict the future entirely using past models is as meaningful as stating the cavalry charges will always work in the future because they worked in the past.

    Not much else needs to be expanded beyond that.
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  164. @ATX Hipster
    It's incredibly disingenuous to characterize Damore's point as being "women are biologically less capable of engineering." It would be much more accurate to say the memo claimed that, on average, women are less interested in engineering.

    I know the NYT knows its readers haven't actually read the memo, and if they did it was the Gizmodo version with the citations removed, and I'm pissing in the wind to complain about it, but still... it's irritating.
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  165. MEH 0910 says:

    NASA Dedicates Building To Hidden Figures Heroine Katherine Johnson

    When NASA’s Langley Research Center built its newest, state-of-the-art research facility in Hampton, Virginia it was only right that they named it after Katherine Johnson, the NASA engineer and subject of the book and Oscar-nominated film Hidden Figures.

    “You want my honest answer? I think they’re crazy,” the 99-year old math genius said when she heard about the naming of the Katherine G. Johnson Computational Research Facility. The building was dedicated in a ribbon-cutting ceremony on September 22 in a ceremony attended by Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe, Black Girls Code and the 21st Century Community Learning Centers program.

    The $23-million, 37,000-square-foot data center is named after Johnson, who broke the glass ceiling for black women in the space program. In 2015 Johnson was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom for her work as a trailblazer in the space program.

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    When NASA’s Langley Research Center built its newest, state-of-the-art research facility in Hampton, Virginia it was only right that they named it after Katherine Johnson, the NASA engineer and subject of the book and Oscar-nominated film Hidden Figures.

    The naming of the NASA building for Katherine Johnson is about the elites using the power they have to tell people who is in charge and in the process to "dispossess, humiliate, and suppress the Middle American core." (These are ideas taken from an article I read about Sam Francis. I didn't come up with them on my own.)

    , @Anonymous
    Gotta love the way there's an Evil Nazi's name down below hers, right after the numeral "1"..
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  166. Yan Shen says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Then it's all over, Jack.

    There is no way we can compete with the East Asians, because there are far more of them than there are of us, and because they are just as smart as we are.

    This is why some of us want to shut the damn door. Cut off the immigration, and cut off the imports.

    Look, Americans built their industry by selling to each other. So did the Europeans. How do you think the Chinese did it? You know. They sold to US! We bankrolled them. We were the market. Now that we have capitalized them, they are selling to themselves and to us. We have no hope of ever competing with a monster that big.

    It's over, Jack.

    There is no way we can compete with the East Asians, because there are far more of them than there are of us, and because they are just as smart as we are.

    By my estimate, there are about a billion or so whites of European descent globally outside of Latin America. Depending on whether or not you want to count whites in Latin America, that could be another 100-200 million or so. So anywhere between 1 to 1.2 billion whites. By comparison there over 1.6 billion East Asians.

    I mean I don’t know if I would describe 1.6 billion vs 1-1.2 billion as far more, but maybe some would.

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    There are some 320 million or so citizens of my country, the United States, a sovereign nation. Perhaps two thirds of us now are white.

    This is a matter of sovereignty and nationhood. For Americans to survive as a viable, independent people, they must shut the doors. Stop letting so many non-Europeans in, and stop buying so many goods from non-European countries. Employ each other, pay each other, capitalize each other's industry -- as we used to do.

    These things, of course, will not happen.

    We are screwed. Thank you very much.

    Your beehive will cover the Earth, Yan Shen. I suspect you know this and that it makes you happy.

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  167. @Buzz Mohawk
    Yes, I know all this. Sorry to have to say it, but, yawn, I do.

    What does that have to do with anything? The Americans, like Goddard, and the Germans, like von Braun, were white people. Therefore, rocketry and space travel are yet more White Man creations.

    (And by the way, you and nobody else who brings this up ever seems to mention the massive, massive developments made by both Americans and Soviets after the war. The Germans brought their Goddard-inspired missile, and then it was game on and nobody looked back.)

    Now, do you want to remind me that the Chinese invented little, solid-fueled fireworks rockets a thousand years ago?

    (Sorry, this is all in good humor. Your points are all valid.)

    The point is simple: who develops things changes over time. Attempting to predict the future entirely using past models is as meaningful as stating the cavalry charges will always work in the future because they worked in the past.

    Not much else needs to be expanded beyond that.

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  168. Some are not supportive of everyone’s attempts at diversity :

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  169. Deckin says:
    @Trelane
    Chinese theory of mind known also as solipsism. See here grassshopper for example number one:

    https://youtu.be/Queah3jAxeE

    (kidding)

    Steve likes to talk about ‘leap-frogging loyalty ‘. Well this is what ‘non-leap frogging ‘ morality looks like. Chinese are incredibly dedicated to their nearest families; to strangers on the street? Meh. It’s interesting to speculate on how this contributes to the social cohesion that enabled Europe to colonize China and not vice-versa.

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  170. @Jack D
    It's true that the defeated Germans contributed not much to modern jetliner design, but when it comes to rockets, both the US and the Soviet (and all the other) space programs owe their origin to the Germans (although the Germans in turn learned from Goddard, who was a prophet without honor in his own country). Without the German scientists taken by both sides, the Space Age might have started a decade or more later. It is unfortunate that many of these scientist were also war criminals, not only for sending rockets against civilian populations but also because their rocket factory at Mittelbau-Dora was manned by concentration camp labor under the usual horrifying conditions. It is said that more people died making the V-2 than were killed by it. However, the necessities of the Cold War caused both sides to overlook such "minor" quibbles such as having war criminals such as SS Sturmbannführer von Braun running their space program. The Redstone was in essence an upgraded V-2.

    As an American scientist working in China told me, which originally inspired the thought and made me laugh:

    “China is America 2.0, including stealing all ideas from elsewhere and rehybridizing them to destroy their creators.”

    Which, of course, doesn’t mean that anyone who’s having their ideas repurposed should be thrilled about it. But there’s a lot of truth in that.

    At any rate, the people who live in China now aren’t the Chinese of the 1800s, etc, for better or worse. More than probably any other East Asian nation, they almost completely destroyed their own culture to become…something. But there’s not that much left of the past, beyond glimmers here and there.

    Stress changes people and populations, for the better, and for the worse. In that, there is some commonality with the Jewish people.

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    “China is America 2.0, including stealing all ideas from elsewhere and rehybridizing them to destroy their creators.”
     
    Agree on the stealing but not so much on the hybridization. I'm not sure China will be able to make many significant advances on the useful innovations they acquire, in part for sure because productivity increases following major paradigm shifts follow a logarithmic path, and the industrial revolution is already quite mature (this is the answer to the question, "Where's my flying car?"). But there are also cultural and institutional and perhaps even biological factors which hamper the capacity of East Asians for creativity and raw initiative. I have heard of observations in which East Asian teams were highly efficient at replicating perfectly a Western-designed system through reverse-engineering, to the point of replicating its errors and not being able to "debug" them on-the-fly.
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  171. Yan Shen says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Oh, I take Asians seriously. We are giving them our country and addicting ourselves to their productivity. That's what I'm alarmed about.

    All that productivity you mention is them using what they learned from our industry.

    Sorry ran out of time on my previous post. A couple of additional comments. One is that it seems like there are a lot more East Asians than whites globally because China is a giant country with a population of over 1380 million, while there are numerous European countries each with much smaller populations. So that tends to skew the perception somewhat.

    I also wanted comment on the conversation that you and Jack D are having about technology and its evolution and transfer. I mostly agree with Jack D’s comments about the flow of modern day tech being inexorable.

    I would also point out that a non-trivial percentage of the tech R&D done in America is done by East Asian immigrants. In an earlier thread when discussing Apple versus its East Asian competitors, I specifically pointed out that one of the most value added components in many of Apple’s products was the OLED display. The father of the OLED is often considered to be a Chinese American immigrant Ching Tang and Apple sources all of its displays from East Asian companies, many from their direct competitor Samsung!

    Another example might be the 3-D trigate transistor that Intel put out in the early 2010s that was heralded as a radical advance in CPU design.

    http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110506/full/news.2011.274.html

    This week, computer chip manufacturer Intel announced that it is preparing to enter a new dimension in transistors — literally. Known as Tri-Gate, its new transistor will be the first to go into mass production with a truly three-dimensional (3D) structure.

    The Tri-Gate design is essentially a variant of a ‘FinFET’ 3D structure developed in the late 1990s by Chenming Hu and his colleagues at the University of California, Berkeley.

    Another Taiwanese American immigrant, Chenming Hu, is often considered to be the father of the FinFet.

    I point this out because it complicates your America vs China dichotomy somewhat. When China uses Nvidia GPU technology for their computing purposes, does it matter for instance that Nividia was co-founded by Taiwanese immigrant Jen Hsun Huang? Not to speak of the fact that a vastly disproportionate share of tech workers in general at many of these companies, especially the hardware ones such as Intel, Nvidia, etc. are of Asian descent.

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    Things have changed, Yan Shen. The movement of technology is inexorable, as you all are so happy to remind me.

    Allow me to wax nostalgic:

    Before setting off to to college, I worked as a lab tech at the R&D center for a major industrial products company. It was the Dow Jones industrial my father worked for, and my employment was pure nepotism.

    Every single person there was American. All the scientists, all the engineers, all the Ph.D.s, all the chemists, all the draftsmen, all the machinists, all the lab techs. Everybody.

    Yes, things have changed. Do I have to be happy about it?

    The thing is, that was in my country. We didn't emigrate to China to work R&D there. The direction of immigration is always one way, isn't it? Why is that, Yan Shen?

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  172. @Yan Shen

    There is no way we can compete with the East Asians, because there are far more of them than there are of us, and because they are just as smart as we are.
     
    By my estimate, there are about a billion or so whites of European descent globally outside of Latin America. Depending on whether or not you want to count whites in Latin America, that could be another 100-200 million or so. So anywhere between 1 to 1.2 billion whites. By comparison there over 1.6 billion East Asians.

    I mean I don't know if I would describe 1.6 billion vs 1-1.2 billion as far more, but maybe some would.

    There are some 320 million or so citizens of my country, the United States, a sovereign nation. Perhaps two thirds of us now are white.

    This is a matter of sovereignty and nationhood. For Americans to survive as a viable, independent people, they must shut the doors. Stop letting so many non-Europeans in, and stop buying so many goods from non-European countries. Employ each other, pay each other, capitalize each other’s industry — as we used to do.

    These things, of course, will not happen.

    We are screwed. Thank you very much.

    Your beehive will cover the Earth, Yan Shen. I suspect you know this and that it makes you happy.

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    Your beehive will cover the Earth, Yan Shen. I suspect you know this and that it makes you happy.
     
    Unlikely, as China and the other Asian nations (Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, HK, Singapore, Vietnam) have very low birthrates. Asians may dominate the Earth, but they won't populate most of it.

    Africans seem to be demonstrating the most extreme population growth.

    Non-Hispanic Whites are around 61.3% of America's population now.

    https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045216

    If you subtract out Middle Easterners and some of the Eastern Euro immigrants, it's probably less than 60%.
    , @Yan Shen

    This is a matter of sovereignty and nationhood. For Americans to survive as a viable, independent people, they must shut the doors.
     
    I can sympathize with those sentiments. I've stated before that I support racial nationalism for Europe, Africa, and Asia. For America with its very different history, I support nationalism and restricted immigration.

    and stop buying so many goods from non-European countries. Employ each other, pay each other, capitalize each other’s industry — as we used to do.

     

    Honestly this just sounds dumb and reminds me a lot of how African Americans in this country always talk about needing to patronize other black businesses or the likes and keeping it all within the community. The fact of the matter is, given today's increasingly globalized economy and in particular given the prominence of East Asian global tech and manufacturing supply chains, you would be hard pressed to only buy American or even European. Unless you never want to use another piece of modern day electronics again and live like the Amish, I suspect you're unlikely to accomplish what you just laid out.

    But of course, this strange emphasis on race as opposed to nationality is indeed puzzling. Somehow if advanced manufacturing jobs in the US weren't being lost to Japan or China but to say Germany, that would be so much better right? Just like how Ukranian refugees "flooding" into the US would be a-okay or something like that according to various commenters here...

    , @Yan Shen
    Always a bit strange to hear all of this existential doom and gloom in the white nationalist blogosphere. It smacks of the innumeracy that I said Americans were sometimes stereotyped as possessing.

    As I pointed out, if we count Latin American whites, there are probably around 1.2 billion whites of European descent globally. I suspect this is still higher than the total number of blacks worldwide, but obviously with the super high fertility rates in sub-Saharan African this probably won't be in the case over the coming decades. But yes, the fact that for most of recent history there have been more whites than blacks globally seems to be lost on many here.

    By comparison there are over 1.6 billion East Asians, around 1.8 billion South Asians, and over 600 million Southeast Asians. Not sure how many people of Arabic descent there are worldwide, but I'm guessing it's probably less than the 600 million or so Southeast Asians. How many Arabs do you complaining that their race is dying out?

    I suspect that barring some unforeseen apocalypse, the extant major racial and ethnic groups today will be around for a long, long time. And whites of European descent aren't particularly small in numbers relative to any of other major racial or ethnic groups.

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  173. @Trelane
    Chinese theory of mind known also as solipsism. See here grassshopper for example number one:

    https://youtu.be/Queah3jAxeE

    (kidding)

    Its tragic.

    As someone wrote at the turn of the century, there are a number of Chinese people who have neither adopted the morality of the West nor remember the morality of their own culture.

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  174. @Yan Shen
    Sorry ran out of time on my previous post. A couple of additional comments. One is that it seems like there are a lot more East Asians than whites globally because China is a giant country with a population of over 1380 million, while there are numerous European countries each with much smaller populations. So that tends to skew the perception somewhat.

    I also wanted comment on the conversation that you and Jack D are having about technology and its evolution and transfer. I mostly agree with Jack D's comments about the flow of modern day tech being inexorable.

    I would also point out that a non-trivial percentage of the tech R&D done in America is done by East Asian immigrants. In an earlier thread when discussing Apple versus its East Asian competitors, I specifically pointed out that one of the most value added components in many of Apple's products was the OLED display. The father of the OLED is often considered to be a Chinese American immigrant Ching Tang and Apple sources all of its displays from East Asian companies, many from their direct competitor Samsung!

    Another example might be the 3-D trigate transistor that Intel put out in the early 2010s that was heralded as a radical advance in CPU design.

    http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110506/full/news.2011.274.html


    This week, computer chip manufacturer Intel announced that it is preparing to enter a new dimension in transistors — literally. Known as Tri-Gate, its new transistor will be the first to go into mass production with a truly three-dimensional (3D) structure.

    The Tri-Gate design is essentially a variant of a 'FinFET' 3D structure developed in the late 1990s by Chenming Hu and his colleagues at the University of California, Berkeley.
     

    Another Taiwanese American immigrant, Chenming Hu, is often considered to be the father of the FinFet.

    I point this out because it complicates your America vs China dichotomy somewhat. When China uses Nvidia GPU technology for their computing purposes, does it matter for instance that Nividia was co-founded by Taiwanese immigrant Jen Hsun Huang? Not to speak of the fact that a vastly disproportionate share of tech workers in general at many of these companies, especially the hardware ones such as Intel, Nvidia, etc. are of Asian descent.

    Things have changed, Yan Shen. The movement of technology is inexorable, as you all are so happy to remind me.

    Allow me to wax nostalgic:

    Before setting off to to college, I worked as a lab tech at the R&D center for a major industrial products company. It was the Dow Jones industrial my father worked for, and my employment was pure nepotism.

    Every single person there was American. All the scientists, all the engineers, all the Ph.D.s, all the chemists, all the draftsmen, all the machinists, all the lab techs. Everybody.

    Yes, things have changed. Do I have to be happy about it?

    The thing is, that was in my country. We didn’t emigrate to China to work R&D there. The direction of immigration is always one way, isn’t it? Why is that, Yan Shen?

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    The thing is, that was in my country. We didn’t emigrate to China to work R&D there. The direction of immigration is always one way, isn’t it? Why is that, Yan Shen?
     
    Good luck getting him to answer. I argued with this twit years ago. He was disingenuous then, and I see things haven't improved any.
    , @Daniel Chieh

    It was the Dow Jones industrial my father worked for, and my employment was pure nepotism.
     
    Then continue doing so, inasmuch as it is possible.

    Whites should try to practice, at least, soft nepotism; heck, I try to intentionally hire American applicants(and I'm clearly not white), and while there are certainly forces unfairly working against you, ultimately whites should be able to assist each other even in small things so as long as they begin to see themselves as a cohesive ethnic entity - heck, even as civic nationalists: education, networking for employment, child care, etc. Society accuses many whites of privilege for coming from stable families that allow higher trust, so screw them and own the concept, take advantage of higher trust when possible.

    The single largest issue is the lack of cohesion. Its not just a numbers game. Don't give up.

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  175. @Daniel Chieh
    South Asians far exceed East Asians at all higher levels in my experience; I am the only East Asian at my level in a multinational financial corp. The only other East Asians even of comparable level at women and pretty much obvious diversity padding hires much like the famous Chairwoman Pao of Reddit.

    3:1 might work if counting those female diversity hires; without doing so and removing South Asian women(who admittedly do make a large number of diversity hires as well), I'll say its closer to 5:1 or even 7:1.

    I do think that the East Asians are generally more productive, but corporate success is very loosely tied to customer satisfaction in the tech fields when many large companies have a death grip and can operate essentially like a quasi-governmental agency thanks to "taxes" incoming due to entrenched contracts and as noted by some other posters, the model for smaller companies is to sell out as soon as possible.

    Asian women seem to do better than Asian men at climbing the corporate ladder. Also, there are far more of them in the media and intelligentsia.

    I think that Asian men are, generally speaking, introverted, clannish, and socially subdued. Also, the first generation lacks English fluency. Given the emphasis that our elites place on speaking skills and extroversion, that could explain the inability of Asians to climb the ladder.

    Indians are loquacious, verbally adept, and sometimes attention seeking – sort of like Jews. Asians are dour, speak little, and avoid generating attention – sort of like Russians and other Slavs.

    Asian men do poorly in the world of acting and music too, but this might be changing now. There are lots more Asian guys on tv and in the movies. Less so music, but these days K Pop is popular in Latin America. So who knows? Maybe one day, Asian men will be global sex symbols and pop stars.

    3:1 might work if counting those female diversity hires; without doing so and removing South Asian women(who admittedly do make a large number of diversity hires as well), I’ll say its closer to 5:1 or even 7:1.

    Indian subcons outnumber Asians by about 4-5x when it comes to getting H-1b visas. However, there are still lots of American-raised programmers. Those programmers are mainly white, but with a significant fraction of American-raised Asians. There are some American-raised Indian programmers, but maybe they’re 5% of the programmer pool. This probably reduces the 4-5x disparity to maybe 3x.

    I do think that the East Asians are generally more productive, but corporate success is very loosely tied to customer satisfaction in the tech fields when many large companies have a death grip and can operate essentially like a quasi-governmental agency thanks to “taxes” incoming due to entrenched contracts and as noted by some other posters, the model for smaller companies is to sell out as soon as possible.

    Asians seem more productive and adept at value creation than any other race. Indians aren’t too bad in this respect, but Asians are even better. However, corporations are (contrary to what free market fanatics and libertarian propagandists claim) not that efficiently run. So a lot of corporations just keep their hiring practices as long as corporate profits continue to be high and costs continue to be relatively low.

    As you pointed out, lots of large corporations are basically monopolies. By dominating a certain niche, they can continue to be profitable as long as they don’t screw up too badly.

    Indians are beating out Asians for tech and managerial positions due to 2 factors.

    1. As I mentioned above, Indians are more verbally adept and loquacious. Which is important to getting hired and rising in modern day America. Dour, taciturn Asians are a poor fit for the modern day ruling class. Interestingly, in the old days, America used to place more of an emphasis on being stoic and reticent. So the Asian personality would probably be a better fit for the old America.

    2. At least in tech companies, Indian tech managers engage in extremely aggressive caste-linguistic ethnic hiring. They’ve been doing that very effectively since the year 2000. Lots of corporations allow this because Indian employees work long hours, complain little, and proved themselves competent enough during the Y2K projects of the late 90s. At this point, hiring lots of Indian H-1bs and grads of upper-end American comp science depts (such as MIT) is the standard hiring model for lots of HR departments in IT companies.

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  176. @Buzz Mohawk
    There are some 320 million or so citizens of my country, the United States, a sovereign nation. Perhaps two thirds of us now are white.

    This is a matter of sovereignty and nationhood. For Americans to survive as a viable, independent people, they must shut the doors. Stop letting so many non-Europeans in, and stop buying so many goods from non-European countries. Employ each other, pay each other, capitalize each other's industry -- as we used to do.

    These things, of course, will not happen.

    We are screwed. Thank you very much.

    Your beehive will cover the Earth, Yan Shen. I suspect you know this and that it makes you happy.

    Your beehive will cover the Earth, Yan Shen. I suspect you know this and that it makes you happy.

    Unlikely, as China and the other Asian nations (Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, HK, Singapore, Vietnam) have very low birthrates. Asians may dominate the Earth, but they won’t populate most of it.

    Africans seem to be demonstrating the most extreme population growth.

    Non-Hispanic Whites are around 61.3% of America’s population now.

    https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045216

    If you subtract out Middle Easterners and some of the Eastern Euro immigrants, it’s probably less than 60%.

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  177. Nico says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    As an American scientist working in China told me, which originally inspired the thought and made me laugh:

    "China is America 2.0, including stealing all ideas from elsewhere and rehybridizing them to destroy their creators."

    Which, of course, doesn't mean that anyone who's having their ideas repurposed should be thrilled about it. But there's a lot of truth in that.

    At any rate, the people who live in China now aren't the Chinese of the 1800s, etc, for better or worse. More than probably any other East Asian nation, they almost completely destroyed their own culture to become...something. But there's not that much left of the past, beyond glimmers here and there.

    Stress changes people and populations, for the better, and for the worse. In that, there is some commonality with the Jewish people.

    “China is America 2.0, including stealing all ideas from elsewhere and rehybridizing them to destroy their creators.”

    Agree on the stealing but not so much on the hybridization. I’m not sure China will be able to make many significant advances on the useful innovations they acquire, in part for sure because productivity increases following major paradigm shifts follow a logarithmic path, and the industrial revolution is already quite mature (this is the answer to the question, “Where’s my flying car?”). But there are also cultural and institutional and perhaps even biological factors which hamper the capacity of East Asians for creativity and raw initiative. I have heard of observations in which East Asian teams were highly efficient at replicating perfectly a Western-designed system through reverse-engineering, to the point of replicating its errors and not being able to “debug” them on-the-fly.

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    I agree, time will yet tell if the ability to truly be creative in the way it was traditionally understood will ever manifest in East Asia. Perhaps it never will and like Brazil, East Asia will have a bright future in a future that never comes.
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  178. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @MEH 0910
    NASA Dedicates Building To Hidden Figures Heroine Katherine Johnson

    When NASA’s Langley Research Center built its newest, state-of-the-art research facility in Hampton, Virginia it was only right that they named it after Katherine Johnson, the NASA engineer and subject of the book and Oscar-nominated film Hidden Figures.

    “You want my honest answer? I think they’re crazy,” the 99-year old math genius said when she heard about the naming of the Katherine G. Johnson Computational Research Facility. The building was dedicated in a ribbon-cutting ceremony on September 22 in a ceremony attended by Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe, Black Girls Code and the 21st Century Community Learning Centers program.

    The $23-million, 37,000-square-foot data center is named after Johnson, who broke the glass ceiling for black women in the space program. In 2015 Johnson was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom for her work as a trailblazer in the space program.
     
    https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--eKlWbnvc--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/wxbyzoyuh3gpccayqqrx.jpg

    When NASA’s Langley Research Center built its newest, state-of-the-art research facility in Hampton, Virginia it was only right that they named it after Katherine Johnson, the NASA engineer and subject of the book and Oscar-nominated film Hidden Figures.

    The naming of the NASA building for Katherine Johnson is about the elites using the power they have to tell people who is in charge and in the process to “dispossess, humiliate, and suppress the Middle American core.” (These are ideas taken from an article I read about Sam Francis. I didn’t come up with them on my own.)

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  179. guest says:
    @Yak-15
    I have seen the numerous posts you have made on the subject of Asians in tech. I work in a similar quantitative field where rewards for excellence and merit are limitless. Some of the smartest people in the world work in firms like mine and the cohorts of employees include many phd level quant types.

    While there is a strong presence of Asians in my business field, they typically do not reside in the highest positions and roles. In fact, of all the senior partners I have interviewed with, met or worked for, I believe I have met one Asian (South) guy who is in a chief role.

    Given the incredibly high test scores of the Asians, it's quite odd that they are not dominating my field. The Asians I have worked with have been extraordinarily brilliant - ones given million dollar scholarships by the Singaporean government to gain Phds but who choose my career area instead. There are few problems that they cannot solve, but there is something lacking, some quality that holds them back from the highest positions.

    “but there is something lacking, some quality that holds them back from the highest positions”

    White Privilege (a.k.a. the Phantom Menace)?

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    I caught one of my otherwise bright Asian coworkers reading a book called "The Bamboo Ceiling" or something along those lines.

    In my line of work, only output matters and nothing more. Not sure why they aren't doing better than their scores would suggest but I sincerely doubt it's related to racism or bias.
    , @bomag

    White Privilege ...
     
    If it were as real as claimed, the stalled out careerists wouldn't be there in the first place.

    Noteworthy how white privilege grows more insidious over time; from not letting people into the race, into something that lets someone get tantalizingly close to the finish line before it lowers its cruelty.
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  180. guest says:
    @silviosilver

    Brother, can you paradigm?

    It wasn’t just Silicon Valleys’ most annoying buzzword. It was Americas’ most annoying buzzword.
     
    As Tom Wolfe put it in A Man in Full:

    "I'm afraid that's a sunk cost, Charlie," said Wismer Stroock. "At this point the whole paradigm has shifted."

    Charlie started to remonstrate. Most of the Wiz's lingo he could put up with, even a "sunk cost." But this word paradigm absolutely drove him up the wall, so much so that he had complained to the Wiz about it. T he damned word meant nothing at all, near as he could make out, and yet it was always "shifting," whatever it was. In fact, that was the only thing the "paradigm" ever seemed to do. It only shifted.
     
    I don't actually agree with that though. A "paradigm" remains a very useful way to conceptualize related and entrenched thought-patterns.

    “A ‘paradigm’ remains a very useful way to conceptualize related and entrenched thought-patterns”

    Can’t you use the word “pattern,” like you just did? Or “model,” like a normal person?

    Any word can become a buzzword, I suppose, and it’s healthy to lay off them when they become stale. But there’s something about “paradigm,” specifically. It’s a “look at me” word, and never took as a layman’s term. Time to drop it altogether.

    I hereby sentence it to a generation in word-jail.

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  181. L Woods says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Corporations want docile peons.
     
    I can't think of a single large organization that doesn't want docile peons. A lot of smaller organizations want them too.

    The NFL?

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  182. ia says:
    @Yan Shen

    Because I like complaining more than constructing?
     
    Honestly Steve, there's a bit more truth to that than most Americans might remember or care to admit. Although commenter Daniel Chieh will attempt to sell the revisionist history that uh America and Europe's shift away from advanced tech manufacturing and towards services was of course all planned out, actual history tells us that in the late 1980s and early 1990s there was significant consternation in the West about Japan's increasing industrial dominance, leading to the phenomenon of what might be called Japan bashing. From back in 1991...

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1991/06/16/europes-new-rage-japan-bashing/0b9b1f7b-e578-4aae-926b-e2bdd6809f68/?utm_term=.aa9681538dd2

    French Prime Minister Edith Cresson has even described the Japanese as "ants" imbued with a single-minded devotion to vanquish the Western world. "They sit up all night thinking of ways to screw the Americans and the Europeans," she said before taking office last month. "They are our common enemy.

    Europe's computer industries are on the verge of collapse because they cannot compete with Japanese and American companies that adapt more quickly to swiftly changing technologies. The Netherlands' electronics giant Philips, Italy's Olivetti and France's Bull have been forced to slash thousands of people from their employment rolls this year. Even with more billion-dollar bailouts from governments, their survival prospects are bleak.
     

    When we think of tech today, we mostly think of America, i.e. Silicon Valley and East Asia. The former skews towards software while the latter hardware, i.e Japan has always had a clear preference for hardware and today Shenzhen is described as the Silicon Valley of hardware. But it wasn't too long ago that Europe had a meaningful tech sector as well!

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1992-02-04/news/9201110169_1_miyazawa-work-ethic-american-workers

    All of this kinda sorta came to a head when Japanese leaders basically had enough of the constant complaints from their American counterparts and politely pointed out that maybe Americans had lost the ability to produce and instead grew fond of whining. From back in 1992...

    Japanese Prime Minister Kiichi Miyazawa`s remarks Monday that American workers lack drive and a strong work ethic not only elevated the war of words between the world`s two biggest economic rivals, they highlighted a growing gap in perception that afflicts U.S.-Japanese diplomatic relations.

    Because so many American university graduates were recruited into Wall Street, the number of engineers in charge of developing goods has declined.`` The Bush administration and several American politicians known for their tough stance against Japan responded quickly and forcefully.
     

    Note that the whole meme popularized by blogger Lion of the Blogosphere about mathematical ability being conducive to value creation and verbal ability being conducive to value transference was already hinted at or alluded to back in those days by various observers of the whole Japanese brouhaha of the 1980s and early 1990s...

    I think you’re conflating apples with soy sauce. Europeans and Americans weren’t demanding that the Japanese be fired from their jobs were they? They didn’t complain about a glass ceiling did they? Considering that the Americans could have done to the Japanese what the Japanese did to the Chinese a few years earlier they behaved with enormous restraint. The Japanese in turn hired an American to teach them “quality” control. Deming was his name or something like that – and they outdid their conqueror.

    The West may have grumbled about Japanese competition but I don’t think they wanted special treatment. The fake-victim racket played today is a wholly different ball game.

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    I agree that it's not quite the same as blacks and Hispanics today demanding access to tech jobs in Silicon Valley, but there are still some relevant parallels. For instance, various American leaders have at times demanded that East Asian companies manufacture some of their products in the US.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/26/business/foxconn-factory-wisconsin-jobs.html?mcubz=1

    Foxconn is the most recent example of this, but obviously the Japanese automakers dealt with such demands back in the day as well...
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  183. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    OT:

    A 25-year-old black man who appears to be originally from Sudan attacked a church in Nashville this morning. Seven people were injured and one woman was killed.

    http://wkrn.com/2017/09/24/breaking-church-shooting-in-antioch-sunday/

    The shooter’s name is Emanuel Kidega Samson.

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  184. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Peripatetic commenter
    South Asians tend to be very nepotistic as well, preferring to hire other South Asians, especially relatives, over anyone else, at least in my experience.

    South Asians tend to be very nepotistic as well, preferring to hire other South Asians, especially relatives, over anyone else, at least in my experience.

    How nice for them. I thought that this kind of hiring based on personal preference was illegal. Didn’t we all lose this freedom to hire whom we prefer a long time ago?

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    Didn’t we all lose this freedom to hire whom we prefer a long time ago?
     
    Only if you prefer white males.
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  185. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Yan Shen
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPcR1x970Hk

    Of course, even progressives are slowly starting to catch on to what's actually going on! For instance in this clip from 2 years ago, Cenk of the Young Turks actually points out that what's really going on isn't the standard narrative that was being reported by the media. In actuality, whites were also under-represented relative to their overall population percentage. What was really going on was that Asian Americans were so over-represented relative to their population percentage that not only were they causing under-representation among blacks and Hispanics, they were causing under-representation among whites as well!

    “Facebook has an Unbelievable Lack of Diversity”

    Which is exactly why they are out in front making the biggest noise about the benefits of diversity.

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  186. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Buzz Mohawk
    After thousands of years of not going anywhere, you guys sure seem eager to take what European Man created and call it your own.

    Hey, dude, did you fly over here on a Chinese jet? No, it was an aircraft invented and built by White Men. Now your true home country has conned Boeing into giving them yet more White Man technology in exchange for the "privilege" of having your slave, communist cousins build jets in China.

    Such is the story of American-Chinese transactions in our time.

    My great, great grandfather was the captain of a clipper ship, yet another White Man invention, which he sailed between San Francisco and China. I have some of your ancestors' woodwork in my living room. It's worth some money now. He brought it over.

    I am named after him.

    He also brought over some of your ancestors. Their descendants sell Chinese food in Chinatown, San Francisco.

    As you quietly take what our people invented (as you gradually boil the round-eyed frogs) a simple "thank you" might be in order.

    “As you quietly take what our people invented (as you gradually boil the round-eyed frogs) a simple “thank you” might be in order.”

    They’ve been well-indoctrinated in all the reasons why they not only don’t owe the white man the slightest thanks for the modern age, but why he owes them:

    Opium, The West ‘carving up China’, Hiroshima….

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  187. Yan Shen says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    There are some 320 million or so citizens of my country, the United States, a sovereign nation. Perhaps two thirds of us now are white.

    This is a matter of sovereignty and nationhood. For Americans to survive as a viable, independent people, they must shut the doors. Stop letting so many non-Europeans in, and stop buying so many goods from non-European countries. Employ each other, pay each other, capitalize each other's industry -- as we used to do.

    These things, of course, will not happen.

    We are screwed. Thank you very much.

    Your beehive will cover the Earth, Yan Shen. I suspect you know this and that it makes you happy.

    This is a matter of sovereignty and nationhood. For Americans to survive as a viable, independent people, they must shut the doors.

    I can sympathize with those sentiments. I’ve stated before that I support racial nationalism for Europe, Africa, and Asia. For America with its very different history, I support nationalism and restricted immigration.

    and stop buying so many goods from non-European countries. Employ each other, pay each other, capitalize each other’s industry — as we used to do.

    Honestly this just sounds dumb and reminds me a lot of how African Americans in this country always talk about needing to patronize other black businesses or the likes and keeping it all within the community. The fact of the matter is, given today’s increasingly globalized economy and in particular given the prominence of East Asian global tech and manufacturing supply chains, you would be hard pressed to only buy American or even European. Unless you never want to use another piece of modern day electronics again and live like the Amish, I suspect you’re unlikely to accomplish what you just laid out.

    But of course, this strange emphasis on race as opposed to nationality is indeed puzzling. Somehow if advanced manufacturing jobs in the US weren’t being lost to Japan or China but to say Germany, that would be so much better right? Just like how Ukranian refugees “flooding” into the US would be a-okay or something like that according to various commenters here…

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    I can sympathize with those sentiments. I’ve stated before that I support racial nationalism for Europe, Africa, and Asia. For America with its very different history, I support nationalism and restricted immigration.

    You always sound so ignorant of the nature of the United States. How long have you lived here? Are you very young? You seem to completely buy into the idea that the U.S. is a nation of immigrants and a proposition nation. While the U.S. has had some immigrants over the years, they were primarily Europeans. It's only been recent years that the nature of immigration in U.S. has so dramatically changed, and without the consent of the American people.
    , @DFH

    Just like how Ukranian refugees “flooding” into the US would be a-okay or something like that according to various commenters here…
     
    That was most of the history of America. It turned out fine.
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  188. Yan Shen says:
    @ia
    I think you're conflating apples with soy sauce. Europeans and Americans weren't demanding that the Japanese be fired from their jobs were they? They didn't complain about a glass ceiling did they? Considering that the Americans could have done to the Japanese what the Japanese did to the Chinese a few years earlier they behaved with enormous restraint. The Japanese in turn hired an American to teach them "quality" control. Deming was his name or something like that – and they outdid their conqueror.

    The West may have grumbled about Japanese competition but I don't think they wanted special treatment. The fake-victim racket played today is a wholly different ball game.

    I agree that it’s not quite the same as blacks and Hispanics today demanding access to tech jobs in Silicon Valley, but there are still some relevant parallels. For instance, various American leaders have at times demanded that East Asian companies manufacture some of their products in the US.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/26/business/foxconn-factory-wisconsin-jobs.html?mcubz=1

    Foxconn is the most recent example of this, but obviously the Japanese automakers dealt with such demands back in the day as well…

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    The kicker is that it's not an either-or situation. Speaking in the abstract I doubt many here would agree with the statement that "Americans have grown increasingly complacent and whiny since 1960," though if you say so in the context of ethnic/economic competition that's gasoline thrown on a lighter, and not without good reason.

    The cruel irony is that even despite the slouch in recent decades Americans are known and appreciated the world over for being competent, reliable and generally agreeable workers (overseas firms are reluctant to recruit Americans only because of the immigration and banking headaches that come with such recruitment), at least as far as any technical task is concerned (though a number of Americans might of course have some trouble in European HR, and I have never encountered another non-dual nationality American who rose in a European hierarchy). The question arises as to why and how they reap less and less the fruits of these efforts. The answer is in the very negative balance of trade and the transition to the FIRE economy where work is more urban and less stable. And yes, immigration and the H1-B racket is related to that.

    Then we should ask, how did we get here? In fact, American industry was never all that *good*, in terms of product quality or logistical efficiency. I don't know whether it's cultural and has something to do with our chronic disrelish for permanence. Part of it undoubtedly stems from the skewed currency exchange that has never leveled out even after the Nixon Shock. Maybe some fraction of it can be explained by the chronic waste inflicted by the likes of the AFL-CIO crowd, though that doesn't explain why Americans couldn't compete with the heavily syndicated Germans and could barely hold out agains the even more Bolshevist French. In any event, regardless of American workers' virtues, as soon as they were exposed to international competition, they were left in the dust and not generally through their own fault.
    , @bomag

    there are still some relevant parallels. For instance, various American leaders have at times demanded that East Asian companies manufacture some of their products in the US.
     
    A laughable comparison: affirmative action within a country and trading rules between countries.

    East Asian countries are plenty restrictive, with their comprador system and all. The US has its restrictions, but overall it is one of the most open traders; and for that we get a bunch of Yan Shens lecturing us about how we suck and must disappear, and that trade is another form of warfare and his side is winning.
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  189. Yan Shen says:
    @David Davenport
    When we think of tech today, we mostly think of America, i.e. Silicon Valley and East Asia. The former skews towards software while the latter hardware, i.e Japan has always had a clear preference for hardware and today Shenzhen is described as the Silicon Valley of hardware.

    Why isn't Japanese firm such as Sony a leading maker of smart cell phones?

    Japan seems to be nowhere with regard to smart phones.

    Note that I said America and East Asia. You’re correct in pointing out that the Koreans, Taiwanese, and the Chinese overtook the Japanese in the smartphone industry.

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  190. @Camlost
    Nothing is funnier than being on a conference call and seeing the abuse that the $1 per hour outsourcer Indians in Bangalore get from the high-caste Indians here (especially if they've achieved their Green Card and progressed to tech mgmt.)

    It's one great big dominance dog hump.

    Also - H-1b's within software will lie on their resume. For their first 4-5 years in the USA you can simply swap any name out for another. I've busted the same H-1b on many occasions with alternate resumes floating out there - one for quality assurance and the other for hands-on coding.

    Also, Skype interviewing is finally killing their shady practice of having one person do a phone interview for a position, but then someone else actually shows up to do the job. This was VERY common before around 2008 and a lot of stupid companies were trusting and hired off just a phone interview.

    a lot of stupid companies were trusting and hired off just a phone interview.

    In 1999, I had a phone interview for a software deelopment position w/ AT&T. The interviewer was a Florida-based, hard-to-understand Chinese female. I was well-qualified, comfortable, confident, spoke well, and correctly answered all questions, but no job offer was forthcoming.

    @neoconned #15: Good post!

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  191. Yan Shen says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    There are some 320 million or so citizens of my country, the United States, a sovereign nation. Perhaps two thirds of us now are white.

    This is a matter of sovereignty and nationhood. For Americans to survive as a viable, independent people, they must shut the doors. Stop letting so many non-Europeans in, and stop buying so many goods from non-European countries. Employ each other, pay each other, capitalize each other's industry -- as we used to do.

    These things, of course, will not happen.

    We are screwed. Thank you very much.

    Your beehive will cover the Earth, Yan Shen. I suspect you know this and that it makes you happy.

    Always a bit strange to hear all of this existential doom and gloom in the white nationalist blogosphere. It smacks of the innumeracy that I said Americans were sometimes stereotyped as possessing.

    As I pointed out, if we count Latin American whites, there are probably around 1.2 billion whites of European descent globally. I suspect this is still higher than the total number of blacks worldwide, but obviously with the super high fertility rates in sub-Saharan African this probably won’t be in the case over the coming decades. But yes, the fact that for most of recent history there have been more whites than blacks globally seems to be lost on many here.

    By comparison there are over 1.6 billion East Asians, around 1.8 billion South Asians, and over 600 million Southeast Asians. Not sure how many people of Arabic descent there are worldwide, but I’m guessing it’s probably less than the 600 million or so Southeast Asians. How many Arabs do you complaining that their race is dying out?

    I suspect that barring some unforeseen apocalypse, the extant major racial and ethnic groups today will be around for a long, long time. And whites of European descent aren’t particularly small in numbers relative to any of other major racial or ethnic groups.

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    Your people have homogenous homelands with strict immigration, exclusionary citizenship laws, and home favoritism in all business. My people no longer have homogenous homelands, if they ever did, and they never have exercised your kind of xenophobia.

    As someone else here said, you do indeed make disingenuous arguments.

    My father once told me about an old Ripley's Believe It or Not cartoon from his childhood, which said: "If the people of China were to march into the ocean four abreast, the line would never end." That cartoon was a long time ago, but the facts have not changed. You are an army. Wherever you are (assuming you are Chinese) your homogenous, all-Chinese homeland considers you a citizen who might as well be working for China. You know this, and you are doing a fine job arguing for your people -- in my country!

    , @Frau Katze
    There are more Chinese/Koreans/Japanese worldwide than Europeans and their descendants.

    However, if you look at birth rates, the Far East Asians are very low, well below replacement.

    Singapore is at or near the bottom with a TFR of .8 (CIA World Factbook).

    Europeans are below replacement too, but higher than Far East Asians.

    We both need to start worrying about the massively high African birth rates, a subject Steve has written on a number of times.

    At this rate, the future will belong to neither of us.
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  192. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Trelane
    Chinese theory of mind known also as solipsism. See here grassshopper for example number one:

    https://youtu.be/Queah3jAxeE

    (kidding)

    There’s also a famous one of these from Israel.

    Slight difference is, in Israel eventually someone stops to see what the matter is. Probably a lawyer, amirite?

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  193. Mokiki says:
    @Kgaard
    Glenn Reynolds' hench-bloggers at Instapundit were all over the Plame story. Reynolds has let a couple of Neocon fanatics guest-blog for him and they're pretty insufferable.

    NeoCohens?

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  194. Diversity in government contracting has been very, very good to this under-represented minority. (Actually, you’ve got to hand it to this guy – he saw an opportunity, went after it, and got rich!)

    Miami Herald, 09/22/17 – Homestead man goes from AC repair guy to CEO. No wonder he’s small business person of the year.

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/biz-monday/article174829761.html#navlink=SubDgst

    …Morrow competed for and won contracts in A/C and refrigeration with the Miami-Dade government and with the federal government, then expanded into maintenance and repair work in a range of other areas, including electrical systems, elevators, plumbing and boilers, hiring new technical staff and contract employees as the business grew.

    SDAC now has contracts with a wide range of federal government facilities. The work includes building remediation at Homestead Air Reserve Base in Miami-Dade, repairs and maintenance at a U.S. Army Engineer center in Vicksburg, Mississippi, and maintenance of government buildings in Washington, D.C.

    SDAC also renovates buildings; designs and builds facilities; does civil engineering work and provides janitorial services, groundskeeping and landscaping, waste management and recycling, mostly under contract to federal government entities such as the GSA (General Services Administration). It manages and supports federal agencies and is responsible for government buildings.

    Thanks to new government contracts in Florida and other states, and especially new market opportunities in Alabama, SDAC won $4.5 million in additional federal contracts in 2015. Revenues are rising spectacularly this year, moving from $7.3 million in 2016 to about $2 million a month in 2017…

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  195. @MCMI
    I was permanently banned from ArsTechnica for posting a comment to one of their regular "Silicon Valley diversity" articles with similar observations. Also have worked in the valley. Most Americans would be shocked to see the tens of thousands of Asians who are employed at these companies, and to learn that most whites at these companies are in non-tech positions like marketing. Just pointing this out in a comment was enough to be banned by ArsTechnica from their forums.

    the whitest parts of most tech companies in the Bay Area are in departments like marketing, sales, product, design, or the likes.

    As I was completing my MBA at the University of Florida in 2000, I had series of three separate interview sessions – that’s three round trips from Orlando + lodging + rental car out to Intel in San Diego for a “Product Marketing Engineer” position. After all that investment and effort, no job offer was forthcoming.

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  196. ia says:

    but there are still some relevant parallels

    There are no parllels. NAMs and whites with endless grievances cannot compete with normal, sane white men without “human rights.” Normal sane Asian men actually made major civilizational contributions, can compete (more or less), and don’t harbor such resentment. They don’t need no stinkin’ human rights demands and vice versa.

    In the Times article, “TV was invented in America,” Mr. Gou said at the White House, before noting that products like LCD displays and similar technology were no longer made here. “We are going to change that. It starts today in Wisconsin.”

    That’s an acknowledgement of two equal trade partners. No one is playing fake victim. The Foxconn official recognizes European men’s genius and is offering something in return. There is no such reciprocity in the fake victim culture.

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  197. JSM says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Things have changed, Yan Shen. The movement of technology is inexorable, as you all are so happy to remind me.

    Allow me to wax nostalgic:

    Before setting off to to college, I worked as a lab tech at the R&D center for a major industrial products company. It was the Dow Jones industrial my father worked for, and my employment was pure nepotism.

    Every single person there was American. All the scientists, all the engineers, all the Ph.D.s, all the chemists, all the draftsmen, all the machinists, all the lab techs. Everybody.

    Yes, things have changed. Do I have to be happy about it?

    The thing is, that was in my country. We didn't emigrate to China to work R&D there. The direction of immigration is always one way, isn't it? Why is that, Yan Shen?

    The thing is, that was in my country. We didn’t emigrate to China to work R&D there. The direction of immigration is always one way, isn’t it? Why is that, Yan Shen?

    Good luck getting him to answer. I argued with this twit years ago. He was disingenuous then, and I see things haven’t improved any.

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    A few reasons. The most obvious is that East Asia was a late modernizer. China, which has something like close to 90% the population of East Asia, only really began to modernize 3 decades ago. Usually human capital flows from less developed places to more developed places.

    A less obvious reason is that East Asia tends to be more closed than the West, in particular with respect to its technical and human capital. For instance, one of the complaints levied against Japan back during the hey-day of Japan bashing was that corporate Japan tended to restrict access to its intellectual capital more so than corporate America did. In general, it’s harder to immigrate to East Asian countries and usually it’s based on meritocracy. Note that China tends to be a more open society compared to Japan, so as the former increasingly develops we may see some of this change. There are already expats such as our friend Moses here who’ve lived and worked in East Asia, but obviously on a per capita basis there are still more Chinese in the US than vice versa.

    Another less obvious reason is that East Asian societies tend to be heavily skewed towards quantitative fields. Even in science, there’s a clear bias towards the physical sciences and away from life science. So while Western countries tend to skew more towards services, software, social sciences, humanities, and life sciences, East Asia tends to skew more towards manufacturing, hardware, physical sciences, engineering, math, and computing. What this means is that there’s more opportunity for East Asians to work in America than vice versa.

    For instance I used our illustrious blogger Steve here as an example of the stereotypical white American. The dude has a stereotypical white name like Steve, obtained an MBA from UCLA, worked in marketing, today works as a blogger, and in general seems to be verbally facile but probably not as strong quantitatively. So an American company like Intel or Nvidia may realize there the global pool for quantitative talent is rich in places like China. However in East Asia, there are even more highly quantitative dudes and so less need for Samsung or Huawei or the likes to look outside of the region for talent. And the verbal strengths that white Americans possess, as indicated by some of the stats Steve cited regarding the LSAT or the law bar exam, would largely be wasted in East Asia. For instance I seem to recall Steve blogging about how law was kind a dud in Japan. (But they’re pretty good at engineering though.)

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  198. Yak-15 says:
    @Nico
    IQ has been a mainstay of psychometrics for years but other aspects of neural brilliance tend to be popularly thought of in qualitative and descriptive rather than quantitative and hierarchical terms. Thus, while everyone knows about MBTI, the notion of an EQ to score and rank relative personality winsomeness in absolute quantitative terms is still fairly obscure (though not undeveloped among experts in the field). Nevertheless, it should be fairly intuitive that a successful existence is as much a function of charm and charisma as it is raw cognitive processing power. Looks count in that arena, as well: otherwise, upward of 90% of Hollywood starlets would be wasting away in trailer parks instead of lighting up our screens.

    I agree that EQ is of high importance for determining success in many fields. However, interaction with other humans is not part of my job whatsoever and being good at talking/emotion-sensing/etc have no bearing on success.

    The main correlates to success I have seen are intelligence, motivation, obsession, creativity and daring. Asians tend to score extremely well in all of those traits to the extent that they can be measured. I am not sure what prevents them from doing extremely well in large numbers.

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    However, interaction with other humans is not part of my job whatsoever and being good at talking/emotion-sensing/etc have no bearing on success.
     
    Doesn't anyone sign your paychecks or fees and give or receive orders for the products you produce? That's human interaction and you are entirely dependent on it for your living.

    But for certain roles within a hierarchical structure, it is possible to execute one's job as brilliantly and skillfully as anyone and simply go unnoticed. When you get to the back-office, the level of code monkeys, data miners and operations officers their names/faces are rarely stamped onto their products (which may not even be visible to end users) and the ones making the hierarchical decisions rarely know what is going on day-to-day unless something goes dreadfully wrong.

    The problem for East Asians is that many (certainly not all) of them lack, for one reason or another, sufficient charisma or histronism to be known and appreciated by the people who could reward their efforts. But this is a problem for anyone in such a situation, regardless of ethnicity. As the saying goes, the only thing worse than being talked about is NOT being talked about.
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  199. Yak-15 says:
    @guest
    "but there is something lacking, some quality that holds them back from the highest positions"

    White Privilege (a.k.a. the Phantom Menace)?

    I caught one of my otherwise bright Asian coworkers reading a book called “The Bamboo Ceiling” or something along those lines.

    In my line of work, only output matters and nothing more. Not sure why they aren’t doing better than their scores would suggest but I sincerely doubt it’s related to racism or bias.

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  200. Your “Germans” had little to do with it, except that they too, independently, invented the jet engine and the jet fighter. No doubt, if they’d won the war, their industry would have built jet airliners, like the English de Havilland Comet and the American Boeing 707 — the grandfather of all jet airliners since.

    “Hans von Ohain of Germany was the designer of the first operational jet engine, though credit for the invention of the jet engine went to Great Britain’s Frank Whittle. Whittle, who registered a patent for the turbojet engine in 1930, received that recognition but did not perform a flight test until 1941.

    Jet Engines – CS Stanford

    https://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/courses/ww2/projects/jet-airplanes/planes.html

    In regard to jet airliners, the piston engined B-29 bomber was an a fore father of the Comet and 707 as well as the Douglas DC-8. The B-29 was the first large airplane to have a pressurized cabin.

    Adolf Busemann introduced the concept of swept wings in his paper, “Aerodynamischer Auftrieb bei Ubershallgeschwindigkeit” at a conference in Rome in 1935. Benito Mussolini presided over this conference.

    Strangely enough, the significance of Busemann’s idea was lost on most attendees at the conference. Von Karman and Jacobs did not spread it upon their return to the United States. Indeed, ten years later, when World War II was reaching its conclusion and jet engines were beginning to revolutionize aviation, the idea of swept wings was developed independently by R. T. Jones, an ingenious aerodynamicist at the NACA Langley Laboratory. When Jones made such a proposal to Jacobs and von Karman in 1945, neither man remembered Busemann’s idea from the Volta conference. …

    Later, Busemann became a professor at the Unuiversity of Colorado…

    John D. Anderson, *Modern Compressible Flow, With Historical Perspective. Third Edition* pp. 352-353.

    Prof. Busemann had a long post WWII career at the U. of Colorado.

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  201. Nico says:
    @Yan Shen
    I agree that it's not quite the same as blacks and Hispanics today demanding access to tech jobs in Silicon Valley, but there are still some relevant parallels. For instance, various American leaders have at times demanded that East Asian companies manufacture some of their products in the US.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/26/business/foxconn-factory-wisconsin-jobs.html?mcubz=1

    Foxconn is the most recent example of this, but obviously the Japanese automakers dealt with such demands back in the day as well...

    The kicker is that it’s not an either-or situation. Speaking in the abstract I doubt many here would agree with the statement that “Americans have grown increasingly complacent and whiny since 1960,” though if you say so in the context of ethnic/economic competition that’s gasoline thrown on a lighter, and not without good reason.

    The cruel irony is that even despite the slouch in recent decades Americans are known and appreciated the world over for being competent, reliable and generally agreeable workers (overseas firms are reluctant to recruit Americans only because of the immigration and banking headaches that come with such recruitment), at least as far as any technical task is concerned (though a number of Americans might of course have some trouble in European HR, and I have never encountered another non-dual nationality American who rose in a European hierarchy). The question arises as to why and how they reap less and less the fruits of these efforts. The answer is in the very negative balance of trade and the transition to the FIRE economy where work is more urban and less stable. And yes, immigration and the H1-B racket is related to that.

    Then we should ask, how did we get here? In fact, American industry was never all that *good*, in terms of product quality or logistical efficiency. I don’t know whether it’s cultural and has something to do with our chronic disrelish for permanence. Part of it undoubtedly stems from the skewed currency exchange that has never leveled out even after the Nixon Shock. Maybe some fraction of it can be explained by the chronic waste inflicted by the likes of the AFL-CIO crowd, though that doesn’t explain why Americans couldn’t compete with the heavily syndicated Germans and could barely hold out agains the even more Bolshevist French. In any event, regardless of American workers’ virtues, as soon as they were exposed to international competition, they were left in the dust and not generally through their own fault.

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  202. @Jack D
    It's impossible to stop the flow of technology. The American textile industry got started when British weavers came over from the UK - they may or may not have "borrowed" copies of the plans for the automated looms.

    Maybe some of the US companies make it too easy for the Asians to get their hands on American technology but ultimately it's a losing battle - in the modern world you can't keep the "secret" of chip making or airplane manufacture or anything else to yourself. All you can do is compete on the world market and make sure that your product and your workers are the best.

    Boeing did this and they still sell US made planes to China (at least for now). If you are complacent then you are dead meat - you have to keep ahead of the competition at all times. The US lost its TV manufacturing business and it is never, never coming back. China is starting to make its own small airliners out of aluminum but Boeing is still ahead with composites. Once your product falls behind the competition you lose your market share and the death spiral begins so you have to remain one step ahead of the competition.

    The US lost its TV manufacturing business and it is never, never coming back.

    Jack D, please explain why America can never, ever manufacture flat panel smart TV’s to compete with East Asia.

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    It's not impossible but its very hard to enter a new business where others have the lead. I suppose if the Japanese were able to take market share from Detroit and the Chinese can make jets then we could make flat screen TVs but if you don't have the manufacturing base then it at least helps to have a labor cost advantage. I suppose when Americans make less than Chinese it will pay to set up flat screen TV factories here, or maybe we can do robot factories where no humans work, but I'm not sure this is what you had in mind.
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  203. AndrewR says:
    @Neoconned
    I work 3 jobs, all in the food service restaurant industry. 2 of these jobs are cooking at 2 different fast food establishments. I live in the Deep South, near New Orleans. Today it was 92 degrees F.....humidity was near 100 pc. We consider LA cold & Arizona simply warm.

    I woke up at 4am today and walked a mile to McD's. I walk in the road this time of yr because the sidewalk has Cottonmouth "water moccasin" snakes and Copperheads that like to hide in the grass at the edge. Almost stepped on 4 or 5 just in the past month. These are species of pit vipers.

    I get to work right away at five. I change six 40pound towel buckets. Thats the 1st task. I burn my hands often from the scalding water. Then often spill it on my shoes.

    Next task is going to scrub the public toilets w bleach solution. This isnt so bad as i wear gloves & get to listen to oldies and classic rock on the satellite radio feed. Moderately relaxing. But still, scrubbing shit off the walls and penile, vaginal, and anal fluids and urine off the toilets is hardly fun much less noble.

    This must be done by 6am. At 6 i go and clean the parking lot. This is the nicest part of my entire day. Its much cooler in the morning. About 70-75F but still muggy. I still have to dodge cars, occasionally put up w drunk or mental case guests, and clean broken glass, cigarette butts, beer bottles, used diapers and tampons, condoms, and spilled food along with other random assorted trash.

    I then go lift the 25 lb doors of the dumpster and empty all this shit out.

    Next i go inside and assemble and break down all discarded boxes and trash. Trash goes in a trash compactor. I cart the boxes to the dumpster on a push cart thing. Back & forth its an eighth of a mile just doing that. Next comes the compactor. If there are cars in the drive thru u wait for them to pass. The customer is always right as my management says. Even if its 85f outside and you're sweating like in a sauna.

    You wear hot black pants, even in high summer.

    I throw the boxes into the dumpster and then use the hydraulic lift to raise the compressed trash up. I then remove a ring and ease the baled trash into the dumpster.

    If the ring falls in the dumpster guess whos going in after it. If the trash bale falls early & spills everywhere guess who's grabbing a broom/dustpan....

    Then bring the cart and compactor back in. Set the annoying door alarm & then double bag the compactor & spending 2-3 min monkeying it into the slots that it has to go into.

    Next i sweep AND mop this area.

    Now its 7am. From here to 930-950am i filter the fryers.

    That means lugging the greasy grease bins to the back, spraying them out and changing out the cleaning pad, magnesium coating, and unplugging all the holes fikled with grease and crumbs. Then lugging these bulky 50 lb containers BACK AND THEN you start filtering. Be careful, oil is expensive. I filter and change oil only as needed and must ask permission before changing each vat from manager on duty.

    When filtering, you often get dripping hot grease onto your hands and arms. Grease burns are common. Each vat must filter 5min minimum. Each vat must be immaculate to get signed off on. I cant begin to tell you what a bitch this is.

    After this i go to grill. My neurotic bipolar boss gives me literally 3-4 jobs to do @ once.

    Not only do i cook food and sweat like a pig in front of the 200 degree grill but i must maintain as clean a work station as possible. You are often asked to do stupid nitpick jobs the teenyboppers up front are too incompetent to do. This includes bringing up ice, changing trash, stocking the fries or the fry station, cleaning lobby, printing numerous "date & time" stickers to put on ingredient & food containers to meet health dept regulation, etc

    All this on top of cooking food REAL FAST so the line doesn't get jammed up. Im usually off at 2.

    I eat lunch in the lobby. I often fall asleep sitting up watching tv in the lobby due to exhaustion. I leave & walk half an hr to my 2nd job at a pizza place. I work til eight when i go home. Thats my side job.

    I wash dishes out of boredom when orders slow.

    This the tranny delivery driver literally whines about doing because he/she doesn't want to chip a nail or get grime or grease on their clothes.

    On weekdays my 3rd job is washing dishes at a college cafeteria.

    Thats a part time gig.

    You get the picture

    I'll spare you the routine of that job but McD's is preferable and i just told you what a hell that is. At the end of the day i walk a mile back home to the 80-90pc black slum i live in.

    They leave me alone because i threatened the drug dealers on my street when they threatened me and my family because they thought i was a policeman (lol) or an informer. Dont have many problems with them any more. Go to bed, rinse repeat.

    Now, the question I'm dying to ask: how the hell do i get in on this racket? Sitting in front of a PowerPoint and talking some scripted shit my boss wrote for me.

    Last year after taxes i think i cleared $8500-10k

    Im assuming these rentiers make in the range of $150-200k per yr....

    Ill work for a fifth to a quarter of what they make and work triple the hours and still triple what i make doing 3 lousy restaurant jobs.....

    Seriously i want in, I'd put these goldbrickers on the unemployment line within a week....

    I’m sure everyone who reads your story has this question so I’ll come right out and ask it: why on earth do you put up with that? How has your life led you to such an awful existence? Please give a more elaborate answer than “I need money.” Pardon the curiosity but, based on the way you write, clearly you are very bright. I find the stories of bright people leading awful lives to be fascinating.

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    I live in my grandfather's house. He died half a year before Katrina hit. 3 months after he died my other grandfather died.

    4 months after that Katrina destroyed my father's house where i lived. I'll spare you family dynamics but my parents divorced when i was young (7 yrs old, i think). We had how to put it, an insurance company that wiggled out of its policy.

    My mother works but she supports an alcoholic chain smoking bum who hasnt worked since the mid 90s. Lets say we don't speak much. But even then shes in debt and going legally blind from glaucoma in her mid 50s. My father has a severe valgus deformation in his knees. On top of arthritis and cartilage in his knees. Plus dementia has set in w him.

    My grandmother is 100 yrs old and my last survivng grandparent. The other 2 smoked and drank themselves into an early grave (the day before she died my grandma pulled the tubes from her body and snuck out on a cane to the hospital lobby. She bribed a cab driver with ten bucks to biy her a pack of cigarettes. She smoked the whole pack in the stairwell. She died the next day age 53 from emphysema.

    3 of my 4 cousins are convicted felons. They dont get how i stay out of trouble. Not doing or selling drugs is a very vital precursor to staying away from the cops....

    Then Katrina destroyed everything.

    Then the Bush downturn set in & Obama's mediocre janitorial job on our economy followed.

    Then in 2010 the oil spill happened. My job was walking down the beach in June and July picking up tarballs and putting wooden stakes into the sand with pink ribbons attached where oil slicked birds were dead or dying and where the dozens of sea turtle carcasses were washing up.

    The oil spill for all its morbidity was good to me. Work was temporary and on/off (lasted 2010-2012) but when i did work i cleared $5k per month which for here is very good.

    The last 2-4 yrs have been just kinda.....stagnant.....
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  204. @Anonymous
    Have you ever witnessed a Walmart pep talk?

    They all gather around a manager and do a strange routine of clapping and yelling. You have to pretend you are ultra-excited to be working a minimum wage gig, and I guess the enthusiasm is part of the job. I saw them doing this once and was amazed something like that is even legal. Im not sure but somebody told me they need to do this routine every morning.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_KA9LqsHSfY

    That’s just degrading.

    Cheering and acting wildly enthusiastic over stocking shelves at a part-time, minimum-wage gig.

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  205. @AM

    You’ve really got to stop living in the past (not that the China of the past was without its own technological contributions to the West – paper, gunpowder, movable type, etc.). Western man did get a jump on the Industrial Revolution but the gap has been closed.
     
    Uh...we're living post industrial revolution - China is barely getting started with theirs.

    China now produces 1/2 the steel in the world and 10x as much as the US.
     
    Yeah, with technology they stole from us and with the deliberate intent of state subsidizing such enterprises including through currency manipulation.

    China doesn't engineer and hasn't for perhaps even centuries. They reverse engineer and steal like crazy. They aren't stupid, but they aren't forward looking, creative,or generally honest either. The corruption that plagues them to this day is a massive part of what holds them back. The positive influence of Christianity on the West cannot be under estimated it terms of what we've managed to accomplish to 2017.

    Stop misunderestimating Asians and take them seriously as competitors or you will pay dearly.
     
    Nobody is. What I am tired of is the arrogance and attempts to take credit for what does not belong to them. The West's Civilization does belong to all of the planet - I'm willing to share as I certainly did not develop it either - but this needs to be a moment where it's okay to call a spade.

    This post, which unfairly tears down the US by presenting only part of the truth, is what's becoming rapidly a point of division. Either you are for the US and the West, with all of it's great moments and terrible moments, or you're for something else.

    Point well taken. But we do need to rebuild our industrial base. And we ought to ensure that someone working as hard as Neoconned enjoys a middle-class lifestyle instead of a subsistence living.

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    But we do need to rebuild our industrial base. And we ought to ensure that someone working as hard as Neoconned enjoys a middle-class lifestyle instead of a subsistence living.
     
    Very much so. I in the sense of "sharing" I mean education and the tools to build tools. Giving away our technology, as corporate elites have done, is to give away something that never belonged to them. We can make computers and flat screen TVs and the whole bit.
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  206. Lurker says:
    @Samuel Skinner
    Probably live fire testing of American weapon systems.

    Any thoughts when this was, or which systems? It seems a rather thin rationale for “best ally in the region”.

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  207. @Autochthon
    Absolutely. Simply not grinning enough at meetings will handily land uou in dicussions with the boss or the HR Lady about how you are not sufficiently “engaged” with your work, even if you are the most hardworking and competent person in the place regarding actual work. Women’s complete infestation and moulding of everything – most especially the so-called “HR” function – now means mugging it up for the latest baby-shower or “team-building” event is far more important than building databases well.

    Yes, “engaged.” You have to “give 110%” and “show passion” for the company’s “mission.”

    Not surprisingly, most of the “management-track” employees are professional bull5hitters, politicians, and conmen. These are the type of people that rise to the top of organizations these days.

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  208. Thea says:
    @Neoconned
    I work 3 jobs, all in the food service restaurant industry. 2 of these jobs are cooking at 2 different fast food establishments. I live in the Deep South, near New Orleans. Today it was 92 degrees F.....humidity was near 100 pc. We consider LA cold & Arizona simply warm.

    I woke up at 4am today and walked a mile to McD's. I walk in the road this time of yr because the sidewalk has Cottonmouth "water moccasin" snakes and Copperheads that like to hide in the grass at the edge. Almost stepped on 4 or 5 just in the past month. These are species of pit vipers.

    I get to work right away at five. I change six 40pound towel buckets. Thats the 1st task. I burn my hands often from the scalding water. Then often spill it on my shoes.

    Next task is going to scrub the public toilets w bleach solution. This isnt so bad as i wear gloves & get to listen to oldies and classic rock on the satellite radio feed. Moderately relaxing. But still, scrubbing shit off the walls and penile, vaginal, and anal fluids and urine off the toilets is hardly fun much less noble.

    This must be done by 6am. At 6 i go and clean the parking lot. This is the nicest part of my entire day. Its much cooler in the morning. About 70-75F but still muggy. I still have to dodge cars, occasionally put up w drunk or mental case guests, and clean broken glass, cigarette butts, beer bottles, used diapers and tampons, condoms, and spilled food along with other random assorted trash.

    I then go lift the 25 lb doors of the dumpster and empty all this shit out.

    Next i go inside and assemble and break down all discarded boxes and trash. Trash goes in a trash compactor. I cart the boxes to the dumpster on a push cart thing. Back & forth its an eighth of a mile just doing that. Next comes the compactor. If there are cars in the drive thru u wait for them to pass. The customer is always right as my management says. Even if its 85f outside and you're sweating like in a sauna.

    You wear hot black pants, even in high summer.

    I throw the boxes into the dumpster and then use the hydraulic lift to raise the compressed trash up. I then remove a ring and ease the baled trash into the dumpster.

    If the ring falls in the dumpster guess whos going in after it. If the trash bale falls early & spills everywhere guess who's grabbing a broom/dustpan....

    Then bring the cart and compactor back in. Set the annoying door alarm & then double bag the compactor & spending 2-3 min monkeying it into the slots that it has to go into.

    Next i sweep AND mop this area.

    Now its 7am. From here to 930-950am i filter the fryers.

    That means lugging the greasy grease bins to the back, spraying them out and changing out the cleaning pad, magnesium coating, and unplugging all the holes fikled with grease and crumbs. Then lugging these bulky 50 lb containers BACK AND THEN you start filtering. Be careful, oil is expensive. I filter and change oil only as needed and must ask permission before changing each vat from manager on duty.

    When filtering, you often get dripping hot grease onto your hands and arms. Grease burns are common. Each vat must filter 5min minimum. Each vat must be immaculate to get signed off on. I cant begin to tell you what a bitch this is.

    After this i go to grill. My neurotic bipolar boss gives me literally 3-4 jobs to do @ once.

    Not only do i cook food and sweat like a pig in front of the 200 degree grill but i must maintain as clean a work station as possible. You are often asked to do stupid nitpick jobs the teenyboppers up front are too incompetent to do. This includes bringing up ice, changing trash, stocking the fries or the fry station, cleaning lobby, printing numerous "date & time" stickers to put on ingredient & food containers to meet health dept regulation, etc

    All this on top of cooking food REAL FAST so the line doesn't get jammed up. Im usually off at 2.

    I eat lunch in the lobby. I often fall asleep sitting up watching tv in the lobby due to exhaustion. I leave & walk half an hr to my 2nd job at a pizza place. I work til eight when i go home. Thats my side job.

    I wash dishes out of boredom when orders slow.

    This the tranny delivery driver literally whines about doing because he/she doesn't want to chip a nail or get grime or grease on their clothes.

    On weekdays my 3rd job is washing dishes at a college cafeteria.

    Thats a part time gig.

    You get the picture

    I'll spare you the routine of that job but McD's is preferable and i just told you what a hell that is. At the end of the day i walk a mile back home to the 80-90pc black slum i live in.

    They leave me alone because i threatened the drug dealers on my street when they threatened me and my family because they thought i was a policeman (lol) or an informer. Dont have many problems with them any more. Go to bed, rinse repeat.

    Now, the question I'm dying to ask: how the hell do i get in on this racket? Sitting in front of a PowerPoint and talking some scripted shit my boss wrote for me.

    Last year after taxes i think i cleared $8500-10k

    Im assuming these rentiers make in the range of $150-200k per yr....

    Ill work for a fifth to a quarter of what they make and work triple the hours and still triple what i make doing 3 lousy restaurant jobs.....

    Seriously i want in, I'd put these goldbrickers on the unemployment line within a week....

    Thank you
    Write a book.

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    Like most tortured southerners ive tried my hand at fiction.....w less than good results.

    Im no Wm. Faulkner. Too prolish.

    Im more like a Charles Bukowski....i was just born in the wrong era and region....
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  209. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @David Davenport
    For most of history China was the most advanced nation on the planet. That changed about the beginning of the fifteenth century.

    Why did China stagnate back then?

    Please explain soon, before extreme IQ robot intelligence takes control.

    They stagnated because they were centrally governed and once they had established a good way of doing something there was no real incentive to alter it. A new way of doing something would likely be viewed as more of a headache than an advantage.

    Europe had many power centres with many groups and regions constantly jockeying for an advantage. The innovation there was a result of competition essentially.

    I don’t think Europeans should make any assumptions about Asian ability to be ‘creative’ based on this long gone past. A place that blossoms at one time can become stagnant in another due to all sorts of variables besides the innate wonderfulness or awfulness of the population.

    Ethnic chauvinism from Europeans is not a wise strategy. Asians have the innate IQ to succeed and they also have the advantage of large numbers. Anyone who thinks that, say, the Japanese are uncreative is fooling themselves and living off of the glory of their ancestors.

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    Ethnic chauvinism from Europeans is not a wise strategy. Asians have the innate IQ to succeed and they also have the advantage of large numbers. Anyone who thinks that, say, the Japanese are uncreative is fooling themselves and living off of the glory of their ancestors.
     
    Ethnic chauvinism caused the competition you seem to name as the source of innovation. In aftermath of 2 world wars, it might not seem wise, but given the whole of European history, it's natural condition. It's loss, along with the Christian faith, has resulted in a suicidal Europe.

    And yes, we've all seen anime. :) But Japan and South Korea are the societies that are much closer to the US than either China or India. Please note we are being colonized by societies not known for how closely they are like us.

    Creativity is the natural human state, regardless of race. But the culture must support it. That China/India or any Asian culture could be creative, I do not doubt. What do doubt is authoritarian cultures with top to bottom rampant corruption can be creative.

    Which brings us all the way back to maybe not IQ, but the culture of West, rooted in Christianity, is what made us who are.

    , @Moses

    Anyone who thinks that, say, the Japanese are uncreative is fooling themselves and living off of the glory of their ancestors.

     

    Erm...I'll fool myself. The Japanese (and Chinese) population mean for creativity is to the left of the European mean. There I said it.

    This is not a statement out of thin air. It is a statement based on empirical observations.

    The evidence for Western creativity and imagination literally are all around you. Where is the evidence for East Asian creativity?

    Go on. I'll wait.


    Europe had many power centres with many groups and regions constantly jockeying for an advantage. The innovation there was a result of competition essentially.
     
    Not a bad hypothesis to explain utter lack of scientific and technological achievement by East Asians compared to Europeans. But the hypothesis would work at lot better if the European states in, say, the 1500s, had state-run R&D facilities. The reality is the big breakthroughs came from European men who were simply naturally curious and driven to understand how the natural world works (men like Gregor Mendel who was a monk for Pete's sake). Men like this simply didn't exist in East Asia. At all.

    Here's a great example: in 1676 a Danish astronomer, Olaus Roemer, correctly calculated the speed of light by comparing calculated to observed positions of Jupiter's moons. Pretty sure this led to no commercial or military advantage for Denmark at the time. It was just a man driven by curiosity to unravel the secrets of the natural world.

    It seems to me that it's a very important question to ask why didn't East Asians make any material discoveries in science or mathematics? East Asians have plenty of brain processing power which makes their lack of achievement in this area all the more puzzling.

    High Asian processing power explains how they are able to master established science and tech quickly. It also accounts for the economic miracle in China over the last 40 years as they adopted Western tech and business methods. But they seem challenged to "think outside the box."

    My hypothesis is that the population mean for Asian intellectual curiosity and imagination is to the left of the European mean and/or their population distribution for for curiosity and imagination is narrower. Even a small difference in mean/std deviation would have a big effect on volume of the right tail. And since innovation comes from a small minority of men on the right tail it's a big deal.

    This hypothesis fits with my personal observations as well as history (and the present day I might add -- the overwhelming majority of material scientific, technological or business innovations still are coming from Europe/North America and not from Asia).

    Of course, I could be wrong. But I have yet to meet a hypothesis that better fits the facts.

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  210. Eagle Eye says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Paradigm
    Space (Safe Space, Deal Space, MySpace)
    Synergy
    Diversity
    Global economy
    Acquisition
    Agile
    Leverage
    Results-driven
    Assets
    Innovative
    The Sharing Economy
    Disruptive
    Streamline
    Viral

    If you want to have a successful career in Management Consulting or Venture Capital, I suggest using the above terms constantly.

    Just being in a space, even with a paradigm shift, doesn’t cut it anymore.

    You really need to own the stack and ideally become a unicorn.

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  211. @Nico

    “China is America 2.0, including stealing all ideas from elsewhere and rehybridizing them to destroy their creators.”
     
    Agree on the stealing but not so much on the hybridization. I'm not sure China will be able to make many significant advances on the useful innovations they acquire, in part for sure because productivity increases following major paradigm shifts follow a logarithmic path, and the industrial revolution is already quite mature (this is the answer to the question, "Where's my flying car?"). But there are also cultural and institutional and perhaps even biological factors which hamper the capacity of East Asians for creativity and raw initiative. I have heard of observations in which East Asian teams were highly efficient at replicating perfectly a Western-designed system through reverse-engineering, to the point of replicating its errors and not being able to "debug" them on-the-fly.

    I agree, time will yet tell if the ability to truly be creative in the way it was traditionally understood will ever manifest in East Asia. Perhaps it never will and like Brazil, East Asia will have a bright future in a future that never comes.

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  212. Eagle Eye says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    After thousands of years of not going anywhere, you guys sure seem eager to take what European Man created and call it your own.

    Hey, dude, did you fly over here on a Chinese jet? No, it was an aircraft invented and built by White Men. Now your true home country has conned Boeing into giving them yet more White Man technology in exchange for the "privilege" of having your slave, communist cousins build jets in China.

    Such is the story of American-Chinese transactions in our time.

    My great, great grandfather was the captain of a clipper ship, yet another White Man invention, which he sailed between San Francisco and China. I have some of your ancestors' woodwork in my living room. It's worth some money now. He brought it over.

    I am named after him.

    He also brought over some of your ancestors. Their descendants sell Chinese food in Chinatown, San Francisco.

    As you quietly take what our people invented (as you gradually boil the round-eyed frogs) a simple "thank you" might be in order.

    Hey, dude, did you fly over here on a Chinese jet? No, it was an aircraft invented and built by White Men. Now your true home country has conned Boeing into giving them yet more White Man technology in exchange for the “privilege” of having your slave, communist cousins build jets in China.

    Maybe you are not aware that Boeing’s first Chief Engineer was a Chinese (born in China). One would assume that his efforts helped Boeing on the path to success.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wong_Tsu

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    Orville, Wilbur, René, Henri, Frank, Hans, Werner, and Wong.

    All equally, and rightly, credited with man’s capacity to travel in jets.

    Oh. Wait. One was a relatively uninspired (and uninspriring) corporate lackey. Werner, wasn’t it?

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  213. @Buzz Mohawk
    Things have changed, Yan Shen. The movement of technology is inexorable, as you all are so happy to remind me.

    Allow me to wax nostalgic:

    Before setting off to to college, I worked as a lab tech at the R&D center for a major industrial products company. It was the Dow Jones industrial my father worked for, and my employment was pure nepotism.

    Every single person there was American. All the scientists, all the engineers, all the Ph.D.s, all the chemists, all the draftsmen, all the machinists, all the lab techs. Everybody.

    Yes, things have changed. Do I have to be happy about it?

    The thing is, that was in my country. We didn't emigrate to China to work R&D there. The direction of immigration is always one way, isn't it? Why is that, Yan Shen?

    It was the Dow Jones industrial my father worked for, and my employment was pure nepotism.

    Then continue doing so, inasmuch as it is possible.

    Whites should try to practice, at least, soft nepotism; heck, I try to intentionally hire American applicants(and I’m clearly not white), and while there are certainly forces unfairly working against you, ultimately whites should be able to assist each other even in small things so as long as they begin to see themselves as a cohesive ethnic entity – heck, even as civic nationalists: education, networking for employment, child care, etc. Society accuses many whites of privilege for coming from stable families that allow higher trust, so screw them and own the concept, take advantage of higher trust when possible.

    The single largest issue is the lack of cohesion. Its not just a numbers game. Don’t give up.

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    I agree with you completely.

    You have made this point before: (gentile) Whites need to stop thinking and acting as if the goal is somehow to be fair or even logical when it comes to their mutual self-interest. They need to get real and do what is necessary to give their own kind advantages over other groups. They need to favor each other and to stop thinking that this is wrong.

    The other groups already act this way. This is the real world.

    Unfortunately, the powers that be are doing everything they can to condition us, from childhood on, not to think this way -- even as they encourage others to.

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  214. AM says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    Point well taken. But we do need to rebuild our industrial base. And we ought to ensure that someone working as hard as Neoconned enjoys a middle-class lifestyle instead of a subsistence living.

    But we do need to rebuild our industrial base. And we ought to ensure that someone working as hard as Neoconned enjoys a middle-class lifestyle instead of a subsistence living.

    Very much so. I in the sense of “sharing” I mean education and the tools to build tools. Giving away our technology, as corporate elites have done, is to give away something that never belonged to them. We can make computers and flat screen TVs and the whole bit.

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    Agree.
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  215. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Maybe businesses need more immigrants and newcomers because Americans get pretty tired of Americanisms.

    I mean it’s tourists who go see Statue of Liberty, not people in NY. And musicals wouldn’t run so long if not for outsiders coming to NY to see them.

    All of America is like that. So many Americans are sick of hype that they ignore most of American products and stuff.
    But ‘immigrants’ might see them as ‘essential’… like those Russians in MOSCOW ON THE HUDSON going nutty over the stupidest American goods.

    There are 1000 suckers being born around the world, and the US circus needs more circus to stay afloat.

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  216. @Eagle Eye

    Hey, dude, did you fly over here on a Chinese jet? No, it was an aircraft invented and built by White Men. Now your true home country has conned Boeing into giving them yet more White Man technology in exchange for the “privilege” of having your slave, communist cousins build jets in China.
     
    Maybe you are not aware that Boeing's first Chief Engineer was a Chinese (born in China). One would assume that his efforts helped Boeing on the path to success.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wong_Tsu

    Orville, Wilbur, René, Henri, Frank, Hans, Werner, and Wong.

    All equally, and rightly, credited with man’s capacity to travel in jets.

    Oh. Wait. One was a relatively uninspired (and uninspriring) corporate lackey. Werner, wasn’t it?

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  217. AM says:
    @Anonymous
    They stagnated because they were centrally governed and once they had established a good way of doing something there was no real incentive to alter it. A new way of doing something would likely be viewed as more of a headache than an advantage.

    Europe had many power centres with many groups and regions constantly jockeying for an advantage. The innovation there was a result of competition essentially.

    I don't think Europeans should make any assumptions about Asian ability to be 'creative' based on this long gone past. A place that blossoms at one time can become stagnant in another due to all sorts of variables besides the innate wonderfulness or awfulness of the population.

    Ethnic chauvinism from Europeans is not a wise strategy. Asians have the innate IQ to succeed and they also have the advantage of large numbers. Anyone who thinks that, say, the Japanese are uncreative is fooling themselves and living off of the glory of their ancestors.

    Ethnic chauvinism from Europeans is not a wise strategy. Asians have the innate IQ to succeed and they also have the advantage of large numbers. Anyone who thinks that, say, the Japanese are uncreative is fooling themselves and living off of the glory of their ancestors.

    Ethnic chauvinism caused the competition you seem to name as the source of innovation. In aftermath of 2 world wars, it might not seem wise, but given the whole of European history, it’s natural condition. It’s loss, along with the Christian faith, has resulted in a suicidal Europe.

    And yes, we’ve all seen anime. :) But Japan and South Korea are the societies that are much closer to the US than either China or India. Please note we are being colonized by societies not known for how closely they are like us.

    Creativity is the natural human state, regardless of race. But the culture must support it. That China/India or any Asian culture could be creative, I do not doubt. What do doubt is authoritarian cultures with top to bottom rampant corruption can be creative.

    Which brings us all the way back to maybe not IQ, but the culture of West, rooted in Christianity, is what made us who are.

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  218. BB753 says:
    @Jack D
    It's true that the defeated Germans contributed not much to modern jetliner design, but when it comes to rockets, both the US and the Soviet (and all the other) space programs owe their origin to the Germans (although the Germans in turn learned from Goddard, who was a prophet without honor in his own country). Without the German scientists taken by both sides, the Space Age might have started a decade or more later. It is unfortunate that many of these scientist were also war criminals, not only for sending rockets against civilian populations but also because their rocket factory at Mittelbau-Dora was manned by concentration camp labor under the usual horrifying conditions. It is said that more people died making the V-2 than were killed by it. However, the necessities of the Cold War caused both sides to overlook such "minor" quibbles such as having war criminals such as SS Sturmbannführer von Braun running their space program. The Redstone was in essence an upgraded V-2.

    “It is unfortunate that many of these scientist were also war criminals”

    What does that make of the scientists involved in the Manhattan project? Oppenheimer, Fermi, Böhr, Feinman, etc?
    War criminals too, because Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren’t military targets.

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    What does that make of the scientists involved in the Manhattan project? Oppenheimer, Fermi, Böhr, Feinman, etc?
    War criminals too, because Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren’t military targets.
     
    The whole war criminal trial process was silly. It was a minuscule dose of victor's justice. I think it was more for the benefit of Allied populations to appear to avenge their losses while actually limiting the bloodletting on the defeated Axis side to a tiny number of scapegoats. Because if it were up to a good chunk of the Allied hoi polloi, Germany and Japan would have been exterminated to the last man, woman and child. A Carthaginian peace would have been the preferred outcome. Since slavery wasn't an option, mass graves would have been. If the Allies merely killed one German for every Allied civilian and military casualty, over half the German population would have been wiped out. Ditto with Japan. The fire next time ...
    , @Anonymous
    The real lesson of Nuremberg, of course: don't lose.


    Curtis LeMay famously stated he would have been tried for war crimes had the US lost. He was in no way joking. He would have been shot.

    Fortunately for him, his side won.
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  219. res says:
    @Anonymous
    South Asians tend to be very nepotistic as well, preferring to hire other South Asians, especially relatives, over anyone else, at least in my experience.

    How nice for them. I thought that this kind of hiring based on personal preference was illegal. Didn't we all lose this freedom to hire whom we prefer a long time ago?

    Didn’t we all lose this freedom to hire whom we prefer a long time ago?

    Only if you prefer white males.

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  220. Jack D says:
    @David Davenport
    The US lost its TV manufacturing business and it is never, never coming back.

    Jack D, please explain why America can never, ever manufacture flat panel smart TV's to compete with East Asia.

    It’s not impossible but its very hard to enter a new business where others have the lead. I suppose if the Japanese were able to take market share from Detroit and the Chinese can make jets then we could make flat screen TVs but if you don’t have the manufacturing base then it at least helps to have a labor cost advantage. I suppose when Americans make less than Chinese it will pay to set up flat screen TV factories here, or maybe we can do robot factories where no humans work, but I’m not sure this is what you had in mind.

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  221. @Neoconned
    I work 3 jobs, all in the food service restaurant industry. 2 of these jobs are cooking at 2 different fast food establishments. I live in the Deep South, near New Orleans. Today it was 92 degrees F.....humidity was near 100 pc. We consider LA cold & Arizona simply warm.

    I woke up at 4am today and walked a mile to McD's. I walk in the road this time of yr because the sidewalk has Cottonmouth "water moccasin" snakes and Copperheads that like to hide in the grass at the edge. Almost stepped on 4 or 5 just in the past month. These are species of pit vipers.

    I get to work right away at five. I change six 40pound towel buckets. Thats the 1st task. I burn my hands often from the scalding water. Then often spill it on my shoes.

    Next task is going to scrub the public toilets w bleach solution. This isnt so bad as i wear gloves & get to listen to oldies and classic rock on the satellite radio feed. Moderately relaxing. But still, scrubbing shit off the walls and penile, vaginal, and anal fluids and urine off the toilets is hardly fun much less noble.

    This must be done by 6am. At 6 i go and clean the parking lot. This is the nicest part of my entire day. Its much cooler in the morning. About 70-75F but still muggy. I still have to dodge cars, occasionally put up w drunk or mental case guests, and clean broken glass, cigarette butts, beer bottles, used diapers and tampons, condoms, and spilled food along with other random assorted trash.

    I then go lift the 25 lb doors of the dumpster and empty all this shit out.

    Next i go inside and assemble and break down all discarded boxes and trash. Trash goes in a trash compactor. I cart the boxes to the dumpster on a push cart thing. Back & forth its an eighth of a mile just doing that. Next comes the compactor. If there are cars in the drive thru u wait for them to pass. The customer is always right as my management says. Even if its 85f outside and you're sweating like in a sauna.

    You wear hot black pants, even in high summer.

    I throw the boxes into the dumpster and then use the hydraulic lift to raise the compressed trash up. I then remove a ring and ease the baled trash into the dumpster.

    If the ring falls in the dumpster guess whos going in after it. If the trash bale falls early & spills everywhere guess who's grabbing a broom/dustpan....

    Then bring the cart and compactor back in. Set the annoying door alarm & then double bag the compactor & spending 2-3 min monkeying it into the slots that it has to go into.

    Next i sweep AND mop this area.

    Now its 7am. From here to 930-950am i filter the fryers.

    That means lugging the greasy grease bins to the back, spraying them out and changing out the cleaning pad, magnesium coating, and unplugging all the holes fikled with grease and crumbs. Then lugging these bulky 50 lb containers BACK AND THEN you start filtering. Be careful, oil is expensive. I filter and change oil only as needed and must ask permission before changing each vat from manager on duty.

    When filtering, you often get dripping hot grease onto your hands and arms. Grease burns are common. Each vat must filter 5min minimum. Each vat must be immaculate to get signed off on. I cant begin to tell you what a bitch this is.

    After this i go to grill. My neurotic bipolar boss gives me literally 3-4 jobs to do @ once.

    Not only do i cook food and sweat like a pig in front of the 200 degree grill but i must maintain as clean a work station as possible. You are often asked to do stupid nitpick jobs the teenyboppers up front are too incompetent to do. This includes bringing up ice, changing trash, stocking the fries or the fry station, cleaning lobby, printing numerous "date & time" stickers to put on ingredient & food containers to meet health dept regulation, etc

    All this on top of cooking food REAL FAST so the line doesn't get jammed up. Im usually off at 2.

    I eat lunch in the lobby. I often fall asleep sitting up watching tv in the lobby due to exhaustion. I leave & walk half an hr to my 2nd job at a pizza place. I work til eight when i go home. Thats my side job.

    I wash dishes out of boredom when orders slow.

    This the tranny delivery driver literally whines about doing because he/she doesn't want to chip a nail or get grime or grease on their clothes.

    On weekdays my 3rd job is washing dishes at a college cafeteria.

    Thats a part time gig.

    You get the picture

    I'll spare you the routine of that job but McD's is preferable and i just told you what a hell that is. At the end of the day i walk a mile back home to the 80-90pc black slum i live in.

    They leave me alone because i threatened the drug dealers on my street when they threatened me and my family because they thought i was a policeman (lol) or an informer. Dont have many problems with them any more. Go to bed, rinse repeat.

    Now, the question I'm dying to ask: how the hell do i get in on this racket? Sitting in front of a PowerPoint and talking some scripted shit my boss wrote for me.

    Last year after taxes i think i cleared $8500-10k

    Im assuming these rentiers make in the range of $150-200k per yr....

    Ill work for a fifth to a quarter of what they make and work triple the hours and still triple what i make doing 3 lousy restaurant jobs.....

    Seriously i want in, I'd put these goldbrickers on the unemployment line within a week....

    Here’s how you break into the racket.

    1. Be a woman, gay, transgendered, or black. If you’re a straight non-diverse male, it’s still possible to break into the racket. You’re just going to have to work a lot harder.
    2. Join some type of SJW organization that promotes the rights of womens, gays/trans, or blacks.
    3. Get into a full-time MBA or JD program at a prestigious university. A BA program is less optimal and should be considered a secondary option.
    4. During your studies, do a summer internship at a large company.
    5. Once you graduate from your degree program, get hired into a large company’s leadership rotational program (these programs at management-track).
    6. Work long hours at your company, show up to lots of meetings, send lots of e-mails, act enthusiastic about the company, constantly discuss your projects to make yourself sound like a rising star, agree with your boss and compliment him/her a lot, dress well, smile a lot, stay away from “unpopular” coworkers, use lots of corporate jargon (synergy, streamline, deal space, innovative, cost-control, diversity, global economy, agile, lean, sustainability, etc), constantly reiterate corporate policy and goals, and (most important of all) speak fluently.
    7. During your spare time, get involved with some type of SJW organization that has a good relationship with your company.
    8. After a few years, apply to some type of diversity-related position (diversity officer, diversity consultant, etc) in your company or another large company. These positions are usually in HR or marketing, which means the hours are short, there’s lots of traveling to conferences, and you’re not really expected to accomplish much. Pay is usually 35-75K/yr at the entry level for most diversity-related positions. Once you get to a senior-level diversity position, pay is often in the 100-150K/yr range.
    9. To be successful in a diversity-related corporate position, make sure to attend lots of conferences, talk up your company’s “commitment” to diversity to the public, occasionally express “concern” about your company’s “atmosphere,” and make sure to speak fluently.

    If you do all of the above, I guarantee you’ll break into the racket.

    Within 5 years, you’ll be in the racket. Within 10 years, you can be making 6 figures. You’ll travel a lot, do lots of public speaking, and work 35-45 hrs/week.

    The tough part is getting into a prestigious MBA/JD program and then getting hired into a leadership rotation program. You need a high GPA, strong GMAT, very good work experience, strong extracurriculars, and a good “fit.” If you’re above the age of 30, it’s hard to get onto this track (especially if you’re a straight non-diverse male).

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  222. @BB753
    "It is unfortunate that many of these scientist were also war criminals"

    What does that make of the scientists involved in the Manhattan project? Oppenheimer, Fermi, Böhr, Feinman, etc?
    War criminals too, because Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't military targets.

    What does that make of the scientists involved in the Manhattan project? Oppenheimer, Fermi, Böhr, Feinman, etc?
    War criminals too, because Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren’t military targets.

    The whole war criminal trial process was silly. It was a minuscule dose of victor’s justice. I think it was more for the benefit of Allied populations to appear to avenge their losses while actually limiting the bloodletting on the defeated Axis side to a tiny number of scapegoats. Because if it were up to a good chunk of the Allied hoi polloi, Germany and Japan would have been exterminated to the last man, woman and child. A Carthaginian peace would have been the preferred outcome. Since slavery wasn’t an option, mass graves would have been. If the Allies merely killed one German for every Allied civilian and military casualty, over half the German population would have been wiped out. Ditto with Japan. The fire next time …

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    Not even the Soviets were that bloodthirsty. After all, they didn't kill every German in sight and the GDR became the crown - jewel of the Soviet client - states.
    But I can see the Chinese genociding the Japanese to the last man. Both the Mao and Chiang Kai-Shek sides. They still hate the Japanese to this day.
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  223. @Yan Shen
    Always a bit strange to hear all of this existential doom and gloom in the white nationalist blogosphere. It smacks of the innumeracy that I said Americans were sometimes stereotyped as possessing.

    As I pointed out, if we count Latin American whites, there are probably around 1.2 billion whites of European descent globally. I suspect this is still higher than the total number of blacks worldwide, but obviously with the super high fertility rates in sub-Saharan African this probably won't be in the case over the coming decades. But yes, the fact that for most of recent history there have been more whites than blacks globally seems to be lost on many here.

    By comparison there are over 1.6 billion East Asians, around 1.8 billion South Asians, and over 600 million Southeast Asians. Not sure how many people of Arabic descent there are worldwide, but I'm guessing it's probably less than the 600 million or so Southeast Asians. How many Arabs do you complaining that their race is dying out?

    I suspect that barring some unforeseen apocalypse, the extant major racial and ethnic groups today will be around for a long, long time. And whites of European descent aren't particularly small in numbers relative to any of other major racial or ethnic groups.

    Your people have homogenous homelands with strict immigration, exclusionary citizenship laws, and home favoritism in all business. My people no longer have homogenous homelands, if they ever did, and they never have exercised your kind of xenophobia.

    As someone else here said, you do indeed make disingenuous arguments.

    My father once told me about an old Ripley’s Believe It or Not cartoon from his childhood, which said: “If the people of China were to march into the ocean four abreast, the line would never end.” That cartoon was a long time ago, but the facts have not changed. You are an army. Wherever you are (assuming you are Chinese) your homogenous, all-Chinese homeland considers you a citizen who might as well be working for China. You know this, and you are doing a fine job arguing for your people – in my country!

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    Love this, bro Buzz. I am also, so sick of Asians taking advantage of all the diversity wars going on this past 6 months! US NEEDS TO ABANDON THE REST OF THE WORLD...it's like cutting alcoholics and drug addicts cold: CUT THEM OFF.
    , @Yan Shen
    Sorry man, earth to Buzz Mohawk here. I hate to burst your bubble, but we're both Americans you and I and we're in this together!


    Your people have homogenous homelands with strict immigration, exclusionary citizenship laws, and home favoritism in all business. My people no longer have homogenous homelands, if they ever did, and they never have exercised your kind of xenophobia.
     
    Well my people are fellow American citizens such as yourself, so not sure what you're uh talking about there. I've already stated that I support racial nationalism for Europe, Africa, and Asia. If Europeans want to suicide themselves with open borders, refugees, and Muslim immigration, that seems to be their problem. As American nationalists we can only observe from afar and shake our heads at the insanity of it all.

    America, like Singapore, has a unique history which ensures that it'll always be more multicultural than continental Europe, Africa, or Asia, but even here we can endorse the kind of nationalism that Lee Kuan Yew embraced in Singapore. So I suspect we're not that far off.

    Haha yeah, there's never been any uh xenophobia in America or Europe. *shakes head* Honestly on that count, East Asia comes out significantly ahead.
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  224. Moses says:
    @bomag

    new... overlords
     
    One problem is that the Yan Shens of the world don't want to lord over you; they want to replace you.

    And replace they shall.

    Never mind that the Chinese/Japanese have not produced even one:
    - James Watt
    - Gottlieb Daimler
    - Nikola Tesla
    - Werner Heisenberg
    - Max Planck
    - Isaac Newton (that old bugaboo)
    - Charles Darwin
    - Pythagoras
    - Gottfried Leibniz
    - Gregor Mendel
    - Galileo
    - Tim Berners-Lee
    - Wright Brothers
    - Robert Goddard

    I can keep going but you get the idea.

    Despite their lack of history as originators of any breakthrough science or technology upon which modernity rests, and despite a history suggesting an innate lack of curiosity and imagination that drive men to such discoveries, I have no doubt that East Asian superior STEM HBD means the future belongs to them.

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    Well if it ever becomes a commercial product, I wouldn't bet against Leon Chua (Amy Chua's father) getting a Nobel.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memristor

    http://ethw.org/Leon_Chua
    , @bomag

    have not produced even one...
     
    All well and good, but is European man capable of producing more? The genetics and culture to produce those men was a rather accidental thing. It now seems Europe et al haven't nurtured that end of things too well; dysfunction and dysgenics seems to have crept in a little too deep.
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  225. @AM

    You’ve really got to stop living in the past (not that the China of the past was without its own technological contributions to the West – paper, gunpowder,