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From commenter Irish Paleo:

Seeing things, as I do, from the Eastern side of the Atlantic, it’s fascinating the degree to which the different demographic vectors in Europe and America have driven the political priorities of: (a) ethno-masochistic white political correctness; and (b) Jews, in each place. The key differences can be summarised as follows:

1. While Jews in America earn like Episcopalians and vote like Puerto Ricans, Jews in Europe are, if anything, even more politically conservative than their earnings would suggest (and have become more so even as high earners have been moving gradually leftwards).

Tory Theresa May won about 75% of the Jewish vote in the British election last June.

2. Jews in America are honorary non-whites (for now) and, thus far, nobody in the mainstream media has cottoned on to the fact that “unbearable whiteness” in professionally and financially desirable fields is almost invariably accompanied by an even more “unbearable” Jewishness in those self-same fields.

3. By contrast, in Europe, Jews are considered white. While European demographics are not such as to allow for the almost feral degree of anti-white hatred that consumes the American left, the European left is pretty anti-white and seems to admire (and envy) the extent to which the American left can indulge its passion for anti-white signalling. Be that as it may, outside a few shrinking pockets of the London leftie set, Europe’s respectable left accords no special protected status to Jews when it comes to the allocation of stigma arising from the historical corruption of white blood.

4. Indeed, on the less respectable left, Jews are now quite close to attaining the status of whitey squared. Of course, Europe’s hard left (which is far to the left of Sanders or Nader in the US) still insists that its problem is with “Zionists” and not Jews. However, as the European left’s voting base is increasingly dominated by Muslim and African-descended voters for whom the distinction is not terribly resonant, Jews are drawing less and less comfort from it.

The above naturally raises the questions of: (a) how Jews and leftists so markedly diverged on either side of the Atlantic; (b) what the consequences of this divergence are for politics in Europe and America; (c) whether we might see some future convergence; and (d) what such a convergence would look like.

 



To take the first question, we must analyse the key demographic differences between Europe and the United States:

1. Due to a combination of mass migrations from Europe to the United States in the 19th and early 20th centuries and certain unpleasant events in Central and Eastern Europe in those centuries, a disproportionate share of Europe’s Jewish population emigrated to America, meaning that the Jewish population is smaller and thus less politically influential in Europe that in America. This meant that the pro-Zionist politics that dominated the left in the mid-2oth century largely operated at a poseur level in Europe, where relatively few of the influential left wing thinkers were Jewish. As a result, when Zionism lost its chic on the left, it had no natural critical mass of champions to defend it, in contrast to the US.

2. A higher proportion of European Jews would be Yekke and Sephardic Jews rather than Eastern European Ashkenazim. The former are, generally speaking, more politically conservative than the latter. This probably gave European Jews a slightly more right-ish lean than Jews in the United States.

3. Geographically and demographically speaking, Europe’s Mexicans are Middle Eastern and North African Muslims and its Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are Pakistanis and Bangladeshis – i.e. the Muslim world is the major proximate source of mass third world immigration in Europe. Unlike Hispanics, who have almost zero political cohesion outside of the fantasy world in which Washington political consultants live, Muslims have their religion, which acts as a very effective political glue.

4. Whilst Hispanics play second fiddle to blacks in the US, European Muslims have the advantage of being much more numerous than blacks and having been so for quite a long time. By contrast, Europe’s much smaller black population lacks cohesion compared with America’s. Most blacks in continental Europe are or are descended from African immigrants who came in the 1950s or later. The only substantial slave-descended black populations in Europe are the Afro-Caribbeans in the UK. However, they came as free immigrants from Jamaica, Trinidad, etc. The only unifying romance that European blacks have is imported from the US via Hollywood and rap music and while the European left does plenty to encourage black grievance culture, it is constrained by the relatively low political profitability that relatively small black numbers accord them.

5. Imagine a US with a hyper aggressive Hispanic population most of which has converted to Islam and then imagine a black population a third the size of what it is and consisting 50% of African immigrants who are not descended from slaves. Then imagine 75-80% fewer Jews. That’s pretty close to what we have in Europe. In such a scenario, the largely poseur-level (for now) anti-Semitism of blacks would give way to the genuine and visceral anti-Semitism of Muslims and the left would be faced with an increasingly burdensome carry-cost for retaining Jews as a protected group. Well that’s more or less what we have in Europe, with young leftists wearing Arafat scarves (and I’m talking about white leftists here).

So that’s the why. What’s the result? Well, like all things in life, it rather depends upon perspective.

1. European leftists are disgusted at the American left’s lack of “solidarity” with the Palestinians and, at a grassroots level, many if not most lefties would see Jewish influence on the left as being an example of Goldman Sachs money corrupting the left and driving it away from economic populism and third world solidarity – and remember, to the European leftist who has lacked the narcotic high of attacking colonialism and Apartheid for some decades now, the real importance of the Israel-Palestine conflict is that it’s one of the few remaining examples of a white v. non-white struggle taking place in the realm of geopolitics.

2. That said, while the European left is more economically populist than the American left, one cannot ignore two other factors.

3. The first is that the European left is nowhere near as powerful as the American left. The Democratic Party has now won the popular vote (or at least the popular vote including fraudulent votes) in every presidential election bar one since 1988. By contrast, without the alliance of (disproportionately Jewish) plutocrats and third world flash mobs that constitutes the Democratic base, the European left struggles to maintain influence. For example, the British Labour Party hasn’t won an election since 2005, the German Social Democrats haven’t won one since 2002 and the French Socialists have won the Elysee Palace once since 1988 (in what looks like the rather anomalous 2012 election).

4. While it is more economically populist than the US left, the European left’s priorities are fundamentally the same as the Democratic Party’s. Its concern for the working class now largely involves looking after discrete client groups like public sector unions and it is generally much more motivated by identity politics, bathroom wars and that ever-lengthening LGBTQWERTYUIOP acronym.

5 Looked at in the context of 4 and 5 above, the American left’s continued message discipline in relation to Jews looks more like an intelligent trade-off – albeit one which probably isn’t open to European leftists due to the less favourable demographics it faces.

Third and fourth questions. Will there be a convergence between Europe and America and what does such a convergence look like?

1. The basic difference between the US and Europe is that history and geography gerrymandered the former a lot more than they did the latter. Hispanics are inert and indisciplined. Jews are neither. (American) Blacks are indisciplined but are far from inert. This means that the Hispanics disappoint those who expect them to turn into shock troops for the Democratic Party but it also means that their support for the Democratic Party comes at a price that it would, in any event, have already had to pay in order to maintain black support (keep the welfare cheques coming) and elite white support (keep the immigrants coming). This means that the mediocre political support that Hispanics give the Dems costs them nothing, which dramatically raises its de facto value. Meanwhile, blacks have inherited the African “big man” system of political organisation, one of the features of which is that black voters are often as interested in delivering power and prestige to their community’s elites as they are in their own welfare. This means that they vote for Hispanic immigration that hurts their own interests because it increases the size of the political coalitions that make their leaders (Obama, Sharpton, Holder, Lynch, Harris etc.) more powerful. Jews and other elite whites have the habit of elite whites everywhere – namely that of accepting rhetorical excesses they don’t like in return for policies they do. This kind of gerrymander is just too good to plan and even for manipulators like the Democrats, they had to rely on about 70% dumb luck.

2. However, gerrymandered systems keep working until they don’t and when that point comes, the gerrymander massively amplifies the effect of any backlash. Fundamentally, it’s a numbers game. Like a power plant that is at is most efficient generation capacity when it’s 1 Watt away from causing a transformer explosion, the marginal returns on gerrymandering suddenly go negative just moments after they were at their peak. The election of Donald Trump gives us a clue as to how this works in practice.

3. The rise of Trump surprised those of us familiar with European politics a lot less than it did Americans with an insular worldview. Why? Because since the 1980s, every region of the west outside of North America has had regular conservative nationalist eruptions. In the 1980s, the Front National came on the scene in France. Already, 20 years ago, we had the FPO in Austria and the Lega Nord, Alleanza Nationale and Fiama di Tricolore in Italy, the Vlaams Belang in Belgium, One Nation in Australia and New Zealand First. Now we also have Wilders in the Netherlands, the Sweden Democrats etc. as well. However, American politics maintained utterly boring and conventional post 1945 centrist politics. Indeed, 10 years ago, mainstream Republicans and DLC Democrats regularly used to lecture Europeans on why America had avoided the “far-right” trap.

4. Of course, it was all down to demographics and electoral systems. America’s first past the post electoral system prevented small parties from developing and her demographics meant that the type of anti-white cultural Marxism against which European voters were reacting was such a politically powerful force in America that it was able to crush national conservatism. Then what happened? Size, my dear boy, size. Eventually the anti-white ethnic blocs in America became too large and unruly and catalysed an opposable cohesion and the American electoral system that had protected both parties from dissent suddenly found itself assailed. Until you get roughly a quarter of America, you are stuck on the margins. However, once you get to that magic number, that’s it: one of the parties (in this case the GOP) becomes yours. So, never having had a nationalist political movement, in one fell swoop, America ended up passing Europe out and going straight to a nationalist president.

5. My prediction is that (at the very latest), once the 34-49 year old age group reaches a critical mass of non-whiteness, the Democrats’ white establishment will suddenly find itself unable to avoid the type of pandering that European leftists have been doing since the 1970s to typical third world non-white sentiment re Jews, namely as being not just whites but the worst and most irredeemable kind of whites – and then the dam will break.

6. What will a sign of such break look like? In my view, look for a Jim Clancy moment with the opposite ending. Remember that Clancy went onto Twitter not to engage in Jew bashing but to indulge in pro-Islamic virtue signalling. Clancy is, of course, Irish American and (in my considerable experience of dealing with Irish people) the Irish are slightly less uptight about Jews than other white ethnics. My guess is that, as an Irish American, he overestimated the speed with which Jews were falling out of favour on the left and thought that he could use “Hasbara” as a synonym for white racist. I reckon that Unlucky Jim got it a few years premature. My prediction: There will be a Jim Clancy-Hasbara-type moment some time in the not-too-distant future and that will be the sign that American Jews will be about to travel further and faster in the direction of European Jews and without the intellectual coherence that they give what Steve calls the “coalition of the fringes”, it will, as the old Chinese saying goes, crumble like dry tofu.

 
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  1. Anon says: • Website • Disclaimer

    What does it matter if the ‘left’ has problem winning elections?

    With ‘conservatives’ like May & Merkel and with ‘centrists’ like Macron, who needs the Right in Europe?
    They are all globalist crazy. The ‘right’ in Europe is meaningless and totally cucked. As for the real right, like LePen, they never seem to win anything.

    In the struggle between Jihad and Jungle, the latter will win because black Africa has the highest birthrates and keep coming and because white women got jungle fever.

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    I agree that the "Right" in Europe is totally useless, but I don't think Jungle would win against Jihad, if for no other reason than because there's a considerable overlap between the two. Arabs have also traditionally dominated blacks under most circumstances. Their birthrates are I think usually higher, too. I cannot imagine blacks dominating the scene.

    What will more likely happen is Arabs forcing whites to convert, at which point white elites might regain the initiative. What edge or ideological cohesion do Arabs have over, say, second generation white Muslim converts? Islam loses its potency against fellow Muslims.

    , @NickG
    Le Pen's Front National is not right wing, it is distinctly left wing leaning. It's also nationalist.

    But it is quite common to have left wing cohabiting with nationalism. The Soviet Union was, as has been Vietnam and China, Burma and others.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    I agree. The electable "conservatives" of Europe are indistinguishable from our liberal Democrats.
    , @Lot
    Jihad beat jungle in Sudan.
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  2. Anon says: • Website • Disclaimer

    5. My prediction is … the Democrats’ white establishment will suddenly find itself unable to avoid the type of pandering that European leftists have been doing since the 1970s to typical third world non-white sentiment re Jews, namely as being not just whites but the worst and most irredeemable kind of whites …

    No. That’s the case in EU because there is a large Muslim population.

    Muslim population will never become powerful in the US. Blacks, Mexicans, Asians, and Hindus just don’t care much about Jews or Palestinians.

    Also, EU case is special. In some ways, there is more animus against Zionism among the Left but more obsequiousness to Jews in relation to the Holocaust. European guilt about Holocaust is 100x the American. Americans can at least say ‘we beat the Nazis’. Every European nation knows it had collaborators.

    Paradoxically, European ‘neo-antisemitism’ is intricately tied to ultra philosemitism. Holocaust Mythology made Jews the perfect people, the eternal victims, the new saints.
    So, when Jews oppress Palestinians, many Europeans see it as Jews betraying their saint status.

    Old antisemitism was premised on hating Jews.
    New ‘antisemitism’ is predicated on loving Jews. Europeans love Jews so much that they cannot bear the idea of Jews acting anything other than saintly. The idea of Anne Frank as part of IDF bullying Palestinians is too much for the EU imagination.
    So, EU is totally servile to Jews as Holy Icons, and it leads to perplexity when Jews in Middle East(and America) act as such aggressors around the world.

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  3. I’m curious about how this turn towards antisemitism on the left is going to take place. Where are non whites going go get their anti semitic ideas from if the media remains rabidly philosemitic? Muslims aren’t going to grow into a substantial block and for all the ruckus made about the (ultimately trivial number) of muslim refugees, the american muslim population is going to remain educated and high iq, and dissimilar from the European Muslim populations, less literate in their culture pan national culture, and less inclined to their brand of anti semitism. So I don’t see the anti semtic attitudes coming from american muslims and spreading to other non whites.

    Is the idea that campus BDS movements will transform into actual antisemtiism? Or are we just conflating anti zionism with anti antisemitism entirely*? I fail to even see where the bulk of non whites are even going to get anti zionist sentiments from since they aren’t going to college.

    *Even if people start criticizing jewish success and influence the same way they do that of white gentiles that’s still not antisemitism, that’s just being fair.

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    Where are non whites going go get their anti semitic ideas from if the media remains rabidly philosemitic?
     
    The power of the mainstream media is not what it once was. The number of journalists and circulations is locked into a secular decline. The censorship by the Silicon Dons is a reaction to the Overton Window shift that resulted from "meme magic".

    H. Clinton was planning on massive Islamic immigration, search the TiSA agreement, which was going to allow unlimited movement from Pakistan to the US, with other countries almost certainly added later. The number of refugees was being proposed at 1-2 millions per year.

    During the run-up to the election, I posted that the first thing I would do in the event of H. Clinton stealing the election, was to form a "Conservatives for BDS" movement. I can't be the only one to have put 2 and 2 together.

    It is worth noting that most Latin American countries have minimal sympathies for Israel (pro-US Colombia is one of the exceptions). I think you are limited in imagining that anti-Jewish sentiment would remain on the left. Should even one-fifth of the right switch to an anti-Israel stance, it isn't likely to cause the left to become more pro-Israel in response.

    Note the rise Nation of Islam in the 90s under Farrakhan, the Jewish intellectuals spilled much ink on the "loss of the black-Jewish alliance". Left-wing Zionists have a fundamental contradiction in that the most strongest supporters of Israel (right wing evangelical Protestants in the South), happen to be the most despised group in America.

    You might also have not noticed the prominence of a certain Linda Sarsour.

    *Even if people start criticizing jewish success and influence the same way they do that of white gentiles that’s still not antisemitism, that’s just being fair.
     
    Fair doesn't matter when you are "chosen".
    , @El Dato
    I see European antisemitism on the left as extremely unlikely to happen.

    There hasn't been a sign of that since WWII (maybe there were events where commuists/socialists doing the human centipede with the Soviet Union obediently followed one or the other uptick along that direction, I would have to look that up.)

    If there ever would be the emergence of large radical muslim left-oriented politicial block (which is NOT unlikely to happen), it would not identify as "the left", it would have its own parties and slogans ("ISSOC - Islam-Socialism" sounds like something out of an Enki Bilal Bande Dessinée)
    , @Dmitry134564
    The left-wing in Europe, in alliance with the emergence of Muslim politicians (or Muslim pandering politicians like George Galloway) is quite antisemitic (although under the guise of 'just criticizing Israel'). The result, as seen in the UK, is a shift of the Jewish community to the Conservative Party.
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  4. IHTG says:

    Underremarked phenomenon: Despite their great cultural power, Jews everywhere outside North America are more similar to Israeli Jews than to American Jews. French Jewry is basically an outgrowth of Israel. Russian Jewry, which was once its own culture, has been absorbed into Israel and even the ones who went to America voted Trump. The increasingly Orthodox Jews of the UK are probably somewhere in the middle.

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    The Russian jews who came to America voted Trump? Do we actually have numbers? How'd Brighton Beach vote? The Russian jews I can think of off-hand--Julia Ioffe, Cathy Young, Biana Golodryga--don't strike me as terribly pro-Trump or pro-any of the policies he advocates with regard to immigration.
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  5. Nice analysis.

    Small correction:

    The only substantial slave-descended black populations in Europe are the Afro-Caribbeans in the UK

    France’s black population from Martinique and Guadeloupe is also sizeable. They have been French for a long time, but, with a few exceptions, they are not terribly well integrated in metropolitan France, less so than US blacks.

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    IOW, they are not French, nor will they ever be.
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  6. So… if American Jews move rightward, does that mean the neocons take over the Right? Again?

    And, what are the electoral consequences? There just are not that many Jews numerically. So, is the writer thinking in terms of financial influence, media influence, etc.?

    Certainly an interesting poli-sci analysis, though.

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  7. Karl says:

    go and google on the employment adverts for Hebrew-immersion teachers by Jewish Community Centers in the USA, for young-children classes. I have noticed the growth.

    The Silent Majority of young Jewish American couples, is emotionally ready to prep their kids with the foundations needed to exercise a fallback plan to emigrate to Israel in the early late 2020′s to early 2030 years. These American Jews don’t want their kids to end up in tent camps, sitting at the mercy of Israeli second-tier sleepy bureaucrats. And of course, the Russians have seized the levers of power at the actual Ministry of Immigrant Absorption. To be fair to the Russkies, they seem tolerable enough. They’re doing am ok job with an Orderly Transfer of the “Tribe of Menashe” people out of Mizoram into Galilee. Of course, Mizoramese are a good 10 IQ points above the Ethiopians. A Mizoramese kid could be trusted to do a repair on a (eg) fire-control radar at an Air Force base

    I have not yet seen this spoken of overtly in American Jewish Community publications or webpages. In the real world, most important stuff is not written down; it is spoken of, over coffee at the Bagel Express restaurant.

    Oh…. look at that! “Adat Ari El Early Child Center” in VALLEY VILLAGE just hired some IDF post-army girl for the job.

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    So, you thing that Jews are prepping to flee the havoc that helped creat?
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  8. LondonBob says:

    Says something that May only won 75% of the Jewish vote since the great Hitler Corbyn was Labour leader.

    Jews were fond of Thatcher and moved somewhat rightward during her time, neoliberalisms time had come by then with the old aristocracy hobbled, but they drifted back to the left, where they were before, once the great Messiah Tony Blair (and lavishly funded by Jewish, perhaps even Israeli, sources) arrived on the scene. Neoconservatism remains the flavour du jour, as Kevin MacDonald could tell you an aggressive foreign policy, an atomised society with socially and economically liberal policies remains adaptive. That there might be some concerns that open borders to the Islamic world is perhaps not ideal does not a right wing make.

    With friends like the neocons who needs enemies?

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    First of all, there just aren’t many Jews in Europe. There are more in New York alone than in Britain, France and Italy combined. We can blame Hitler for this. He is probably also responsible for the political differences between European and American Jews.

    In the 1930s and 40s, European Jews who fled Europe for other places, including the U.S., were disproportionately left-wing rather than right-wing because they understood, right from the start, the ideological threat of Nazism. These people are the ancestors of modern American Jews.

    Conservative/religious Jews OTOH just thought Hitler was another Kaiser and that being ruled by Nazis was going to be like being ruled by WWI-era Germans. They didn’t attempt to flee and were killed in large numbers. The survivors were the ancestors of modern European Jews.

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    We can blame Hitler for this.
     
    Is 'blame' the right word? Has America been improved by all of those extra Jews?
    , @Art Deco
    In the 1930s and 40s, European Jews who fled Europe for other places, including the U.S., were disproportionately left-wing rather than right-wing because they understood, right from the start, the ideological threat of Nazism. These people are the ancestors of modern American Jews.

    The bulk of American Jewry is descended of Russian and Hapsburg Jews who migrated between 1890 and 1924. There's a small older strand who came from the German states between 1840 and 1890.
    , @Dr. X

    In the 1930s and 40s, European Jews who fled Europe for other places, including the U.S., were disproportionately left-wing rather than right-wing because they understood, right from the start, the ideological threat of Nazism. These people are the ancestors of modern American Jews.
     
    Correct. Most people today fail to understand that Hitler's #1 enemy was the USSR, which he believed was controlled by "Jewish Bolshevists."

    Nearly all of the Jewish immigration to the U.S. while Ellis Island was open came from the Russian Empire and the "Pale of Settlement," the same area that produced the Jewish Bolshevists of 1917. Long before Hitler came onto the scene, they U.S. was getting the likes of Emma Goldman. Even Leon Trotsky briefly lived in New York prior to the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution. And of course the notorious Rosenbergs, who gave the USSR American nuclear secrets after WWII, were the children of Jewish immigrants to New York.
    , @TomSchmidt

    In the 1930s and 40s, European Jews who fled Europe for other places, including the U.S., were disproportionately left-wing rather than right-wing because they understood, right from the start, the ideological threat of Nazism. These people are the ancestors of modern American Jews.
     
    I'd bet that most American Jews are descended from Russian empire emigres at the turn of the 20th century. There are some Hasidic sects that left after WW2 and have now turned parts of Brooklyn into 19th-century-looking burgs. Those neighborhoods are the only spots of red in a largely-blue NYC 2016 electoral map.

    Story: in WW1, according to Ron Chernow writing about the house of Morgan, the WASP banks were strongly aligned with the U.K., largely having to do with Junius Morgan, JP's father, having made the family fortune by running a bank in the City. The Jewish banks were largely pro-German, having funded German industry before the war. When Woodrow Wilson declared neutrality, JP Morgan tried to syndicate a loan for non-armaments. KUhn, Loeb would not go along with it, as the Jewish head of the bank would have nothing to do with any loans that might benefit Tsarist Russia.

    Germany, by replacing the Tsar's replacement Kerensky with Lenin thus secured unanimity in the NY financial scene for financial support of the Allied Powers.
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  10. LondonBob says:

    Of course the growing Muslim population is an issue and the odious likes of Pamela Geller excreta have been plying their trade extensively here but I think the current Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, is the outcome sought. He was well funded by the Jewish community and has done what he was told, Muslim immigrants are animated a lot more by issues other than dislike of Jews and Palestine, indeed Palestine is relatively unimportant. Noteworthy that very few terror attacks have been directed at Jewish targets, ignore the kvetching. The aim remains a housebroken form of Islam, with dutiful leaders like Khan, and indeed a somewhat restive Muslim population plays well as propaganda for Israel’s increasingly harsh treatment of the Palestinians (that a lot of Palestinians are Christian goes unmentioned).

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    (that a lot of Palestinians are Christian goes unmentioned).
     
    That's a myth, the real numbers are negligible. The pre-Israel Middle East was not a conviviencia of pluralism*. Sharia law constantly whittles down the number of non-Muslims in a society.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Christians

    *Al-Andalus is also a myth
    , @Anonymous

    Noteworthy that very few terror attacks have been directed at Jewish targets, ignore the kvetching.
     
    Yeah, like half of all Islamic attacks being against about 0.1% of the population deserves no notice.

    You're an idiot.
    , @Dmitry134564
    Arab Christians are tiny minority both in Israel and in the West Bank. The Arab Christians in Israel and in the West Bank (with negligible numbers in Gaza), simply react to the politics of their neighbours, as is typical of minority groups in the Middle East (where doing so is a matter of survival).

    Those Arab Christians who live in majority Jewish areas of Israel, are actually pro-Israel (sometimes more than Jews). This was true of the group from the Galilee and Haifa, who led the successful campaign to relist Arab Christians as Arameans on nationality documents in 2015.

    Those Arab Christians who live in areas of Israel and the West Bank in which Muslims are majority, are anti-Israel (often more so than Muslims), as this is part of the strategy of co-existing with their neighbours.

    There's very little independent thought in this, as Christians represent less than 10% of Arabs in Israel and only 1% of Arabs in the West Bank.
    , @biz
    What a stupid comment on a number of levels.

    Let' start with the claim that

    a lot of Palestinians are Christian
     
    If by "a lot" you mean 3% (yep, look it up) then sure, but I don't think that's what you meant.

    Attempting to highlight "Palestinian" Christians in spite of them being a tiny, insignificant minority, is a classic taqiyya technique designed to fool gullible Westerners. I'm not sure whether you are the fooling or the fool, though.
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  11. LondonBob says:

    Worth noting the Conservative candidate for mayor, James Goldsmith’s son, tried to maximise the Hindu and Jewish vote share by whipping up anti Muslim sentiment, didn’t work much and there just aren’t enough white voters left in London, which is left leaning naturally anyway. That Bojo won twice was reflective of his electoral prowess, and the then still highly white suburban vote. Interesting to note that old white leftie Ken Livingstone, mayor before Bojo, was a lot more active on the Palestine issue than Khan is. Old white lefties tend to be motivated by idealism, the likes of Khan by money, power and resentments directed at your humble European burgher. The great Jewish hate figures of the left are ‘Gorgeous’ George Galloway, ‘Red’ Ken Livingstone and Jeremy Corbyn, I believe Galloway has some Irish ancestry but the rest are natives.

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  12. @Anon
    What does it matter if the 'left' has problem winning elections?

    With 'conservatives' like May & Merkel and with 'centrists' like Macron, who needs the Right in Europe?
    They are all globalist crazy. The 'right' in Europe is meaningless and totally cucked. As for the real right, like LePen, they never seem to win anything.

    In the struggle between Jihad and Jungle, the latter will win because black Africa has the highest birthrates and keep coming and because white women got jungle fever.

    I agree that the “Right” in Europe is totally useless, but I don’t think Jungle would win against Jihad, if for no other reason than because there’s a considerable overlap between the two. Arabs have also traditionally dominated blacks under most circumstances. Their birthrates are I think usually higher, too. I cannot imagine blacks dominating the scene.

    What will more likely happen is Arabs forcing whites to convert, at which point white elites might regain the initiative. What edge or ideological cohesion do Arabs have over, say, second generation white Muslim converts? Islam loses its potency against fellow Muslims.

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    >What will more likely happen is Arabs forcing whites to convert,


    This reminds me of a comment I read on iSteve a while back about the true nightmare scenario for Europe: an "integrated" Islamic Germany. Muslims have a tremendous advantage in their ideology (basically, rape and subjugate everyone), but they've been held back by their low IQ, laziness a general worthlessness of their genes. But if the migrants successfully "integrate" (which means - interbreed) with Germans, we could see Islamic ideology running on efficient high IQ German hardware. Which, well, best not to think about.
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    Non-Arab converts to Islam surpassing their Arab converters has been a common feature of Islam, starting with the Persians, and followed by the Mongols and Turks.
    , @Anon
    Arabs have also traditionally dominated blacks under most circumstances. Their birthrates are I think usually higher, too. I cannot imagine blacks dominating the scene.

    No, black African birthrates are highest in the world whereas Arab, Persian, and Turkish birthrates have been leveling off.

    Also in the past, Arabs dominated Africans for the same reason whites ruled over blacks once. They were ruthless, organized, and aggressive. Arabs felt no guilt about what they did. They used any-means-necessary to defeat and enslave blacks who were primitive and backward. And whites had same advantage over blacks. In the past, whites were willing to use any amount of violence to beat blacks. Look at the movie ZULU. Or, look how whites reacted to slave uprisings in the past. Consider how blacks accused of rape were treated. But once those legal and social advantages were taken away from whites, blacks have totally dominated whites in crime, violence, and sex. Blacks routinely beat up whites, as detailed by Colin Flaherty. And most mulattoes are now kids of black men and white women.

    Same will apply to Arabs in Europe. In the old days, Arabs could use ruthless means against blacks. But in EU, blacks got the same rights and same protection under law. So, Arabs have NO advantage over blacks in those areas. But blacks have advantage in muscle. So, blacks will kick Arabs. Also, as black African birthrate is so high, blacks will keep coming. And EU is actually aiding this black takeover.

    Now, if whites or Arabs were to take their gloves off and fight a race war against blacks, blacks will lose badly. Though one-on-one, a black can whup a white or Arab, whites and Arabs are more intelligent, more civilized, and more capable of organized action. As such, blacks will lose in no time.

    But whites are under 'white guilt' and cuck mentality vis-a-vis the Negro. Incredibly, white kids are raised to admire Jack Johnson, the man who whupped white guys and conquered white women.
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  13. benjaminl says:

    Does Irish Paleo have a blog? I’d like to read it.

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  14. Maj. Kong says:
    @Guy de Champlagne
    I'm curious about how this turn towards antisemitism on the left is going to take place. Where are non whites going go get their anti semitic ideas from if the media remains rabidly philosemitic? Muslims aren't going to grow into a substantial block and for all the ruckus made about the (ultimately trivial number) of muslim refugees, the american muslim population is going to remain educated and high iq, and dissimilar from the European Muslim populations, less literate in their culture pan national culture, and less inclined to their brand of anti semitism. So I don't see the anti semtic attitudes coming from american muslims and spreading to other non whites.

    Is the idea that campus BDS movements will transform into actual antisemtiism? Or are we just conflating anti zionism with anti antisemitism entirely*? I fail to even see where the bulk of non whites are even going to get anti zionist sentiments from since they aren't going to college.

    *Even if people start criticizing jewish success and influence the same way they do that of white gentiles that's still not antisemitism, that's just being fair.

    Where are non whites going go get their anti semitic ideas from if the media remains rabidly philosemitic?

    The power of the mainstream media is not what it once was. The number of journalists and circulations is locked into a secular decline. The censorship by the Silicon Dons is a reaction to the Overton Window shift that resulted from “meme magic”.

    H. Clinton was planning on massive Islamic immigration, search the TiSA agreement, which was going to allow unlimited movement from Pakistan to the US, with other countries almost certainly added later. The number of refugees was being proposed at 1-2 millions per year.

    During the run-up to the election, I posted that the first thing I would do in the event of H. Clinton stealing the election, was to form a “Conservatives for BDS” movement. I can’t be the only one to have put 2 and 2 together.

    It is worth noting that most Latin American countries have minimal sympathies for Israel (pro-US Colombia is one of the exceptions). I think you are limited in imagining that anti-Jewish sentiment would remain on the left. Should even one-fifth of the right switch to an anti-Israel stance, it isn’t likely to cause the left to become more pro-Israel in response.

    Note the rise Nation of Islam in the 90s under Farrakhan, the Jewish intellectuals spilled much ink on the “loss of the black-Jewish alliance”. Left-wing Zionists have a fundamental contradiction in that the most strongest supporters of Israel (right wing evangelical Protestants in the South), happen to be the most despised group in America.

    You might also have not noticed the prominence of a certain Linda Sarsour.

    *Even if people start criticizing jewish success and influence the same way they do that of white gentiles that’s still not antisemitism, that’s just being fair.

    Fair doesn’t matter when you are “chosen”.

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    "Overton Window shift that resulted from “meme magic”."

    Can someone elaborate as to how 'meme magic' caused the Overton window to shift? I know what a meme is.
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  15. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @LondonBob
    Of course the growing Muslim population is an issue and the odious likes of Pamela Geller excreta have been plying their trade extensively here but I think the current Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, is the outcome sought. He was well funded by the Jewish community and has done what he was told, Muslim immigrants are animated a lot more by issues other than dislike of Jews and Palestine, indeed Palestine is relatively unimportant. Noteworthy that very few terror attacks have been directed at Jewish targets, ignore the kvetching. The aim remains a housebroken form of Islam, with dutiful leaders like Khan, and indeed a somewhat restive Muslim population plays well as propaganda for Israel's increasingly harsh treatment of the Palestinians (that a lot of Palestinians are Christian goes unmentioned).

    (that a lot of Palestinians are Christian goes unmentioned).

    That’s a myth, the real numbers are negligible. The pre-Israel Middle East was not a conviviencia of pluralism*. Sharia law constantly whittles down the number of non-Muslims in a society.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Christians

    *Al-Andalus is also a myth

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    All true. The only safe place for Christians in the middle east is Israel and a slowly shrinking part of Lebanon.

    The PLO tries to play up the small Arab Christian minority. But the real feelings of Middle East muslims toward middle east Christians was shown by the genocide of Armenians, Greeks, and Assyrians 100 years ago (about two million murdered or starved to death, even more expelled from their ancestral lands with nothing but their clothes on their back); the growing violence against Copts in Egypt, and the murder and enslavement of 300,000 Christians in Iraq and Syria by ISIS and other Sunni groups.

    The Kurds were also major players in the Turkish genocides of its ancient Christian minorities.
    , @sb
    I have always had the impression that Christian Middle Easterners ( Arab and otherwise ) firstly have smaller families ( in the Western style ) and have been very eager to immigrate to the West .
    Australia seems full of such folk
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  16. In Europe they are SELF conservative but never pro-white.

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  17. El Dato says:
    @Guy de Champlagne
    I'm curious about how this turn towards antisemitism on the left is going to take place. Where are non whites going go get their anti semitic ideas from if the media remains rabidly philosemitic? Muslims aren't going to grow into a substantial block and for all the ruckus made about the (ultimately trivial number) of muslim refugees, the american muslim population is going to remain educated and high iq, and dissimilar from the European Muslim populations, less literate in their culture pan national culture, and less inclined to their brand of anti semitism. So I don't see the anti semtic attitudes coming from american muslims and spreading to other non whites.

    Is the idea that campus BDS movements will transform into actual antisemtiism? Or are we just conflating anti zionism with anti antisemitism entirely*? I fail to even see where the bulk of non whites are even going to get anti zionist sentiments from since they aren't going to college.

    *Even if people start criticizing jewish success and influence the same way they do that of white gentiles that's still not antisemitism, that's just being fair.

    I see European antisemitism on the left as extremely unlikely to happen.

    There hasn’t been a sign of that since WWII (maybe there were events where commuists/socialists doing the human centipede with the Soviet Union obediently followed one or the other uptick along that direction, I would have to look that up.)

    If there ever would be the emergence of large radical muslim left-oriented politicial block (which is NOT unlikely to happen), it would not identify as “the left”, it would have its own parties and slogans (“ISSOC – Islam-Socialism” sounds like something out of an Enki Bilal Bande Dessinée)

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  18. In Europe, traditional Right versus traditional Left is increasingly irrelevant in the face of a threatened takeover of the major cities by Muslim and African immigrant populations. The key fight, which might determine the future of European society, is alt-right versus globalist. So for example Le Pen is a traditional leftist, but alt-right on immigration control so she is on the alt-right side, on the issues that matter. Many traditional leftists are alt-right and very many traditional rightists are globalist.

    The key spectrum is alt-right versus globalist; forget about traditional right versus traditional left, in Europe those categories do not matter much.

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    Right and Left, Whites of all political tendencies must rally together to defeat this existential threat.

    We can get back to our ridiculous political debates after that.
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  19. neutral says:

    On the topic of the Jungle vs Jihad, I believe the Jungle will win. The first reason is obviously the overwhelming population numbers they will have. Other reasons are that the Jungle is more of a natural fit to the current pop culture age, along with the fact that there are no more sacrosanct people in all of history than Mandela and MLK. Regarding where they overlap, I believe that the racial identity politics will take precedence over the religious identity politics.

    This is why I have always felt the people talking about a Eurabia are wrong, what the future will be is an Ali G type underclass that is crass and uncultured but completely compliant to the overlord SJW types at Google and Facebook (since they and not governments will ultimately rule).

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    When have blacks EVER dominated non-blacks, in any society at any point in history? Black prominence in pop culture is ENTIRELY a gift from the Jewish dominated entertainment industry to blacks.
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  20. DFH says:
    @Anon
    First of all, there just aren't many Jews in Europe. There are more in New York alone than in Britain, France and Italy combined. We can blame Hitler for this. He is probably also responsible for the political differences between European and American Jews.

    In the 1930s and 40s, European Jews who fled Europe for other places, including the U.S., were disproportionately left-wing rather than right-wing because they understood, right from the start, the ideological threat of Nazism. These people are the ancestors of modern American Jews.

    Conservative/religious Jews OTOH just thought Hitler was another Kaiser and that being ruled by Nazis was going to be like being ruled by WWI-era Germans. They didn't attempt to flee and were killed in large numbers. The survivors were the ancestors of modern European Jews.

    We can blame Hitler for this.

    Is ‘blame’ the right word? Has America been improved by all of those extra Jews?

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  21. guest says:

    “Why are European Jews to the Right of American Jews?”

    Because Moloch ordered them to be.

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  22. @reiner Tor
    I agree that the "Right" in Europe is totally useless, but I don't think Jungle would win against Jihad, if for no other reason than because there's a considerable overlap between the two. Arabs have also traditionally dominated blacks under most circumstances. Their birthrates are I think usually higher, too. I cannot imagine blacks dominating the scene.

    What will more likely happen is Arabs forcing whites to convert, at which point white elites might regain the initiative. What edge or ideological cohesion do Arabs have over, say, second generation white Muslim converts? Islam loses its potency against fellow Muslims.

    >What will more likely happen is Arabs forcing whites to convert,

    This reminds me of a comment I read on iSteve a while back about the true nightmare scenario for Europe: an “integrated” Islamic Germany. Muslims have a tremendous advantage in their ideology (basically, rape and subjugate everyone), but they’ve been held back by their low IQ, laziness a general worthlessness of their genes. But if the migrants successfully “integrate” (which means – interbreed) with Germans, we could see Islamic ideology running on efficient high IQ German hardware. Which, well, best not to think about.

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    Muslims have a tremendous advantage in their ideology (basically, rape and subjugate everyone), but they’ve been held back by their low IQ, laziness a general worthlessness of their genes. But if the migrants successfully “integrate” (which means – interbreed) with Germans, we could see Islamic ideology running on efficient high IQ German hardware.
     
    That would be nightmarish in the interim but it would probably lead to rapid decline of Germany within a few generations, similar to the way the fast initial Islamic Arab conquests led to a glorious Golden Age uniting various strains under the efficient ideology you rightly speak of, then tapering off steadily every century until the conversion of the Turks, who eventually took the same path from the 15th century on after gobbling up the remains of the Arab and Byzantine Empries.

    The culprit? Consanguinity, which is rampant in nearly all Islamic countries and is tapering off only in Algeria (whose decades-long official policies of Arabization are not fending off the preeminence of French on the Internet or the desire of parents to have their children schooled in French). The effects of inbreeding depression probably explain why Maghrebins look so different from Sicilians and Maltese despite the genetic affinity history suggests they should have. I also suspect the long consanguinity has had a deleterious effect on the Islamic populations, so that even if they stopped it tomorrow certain salutary alleles may be badly reduced or lost to their respective gene pools.

    , @Karl
    12 27 year old > This reminds me of a comment I read on iSteve a while back about the true nightmare scenario for Europe: an “integrated” Islamic Germany


    Biology is destiny

    white German Muslims would probably be most like white Bosnian Muslims and like white Circassian Muslims

    You ought to visit Kafr Kama, the Circassian village in the Galilee.

    I am told that it has the country's HIGHEST rate of employment in the Border Police. And the Israel Border Police are not kindler and gentler than city cops in Hertzliya.... trust me on that.

    You think ===Jews=== are tribal? Wait till you start sniffing around a Druze girl or a Circassian girl.

    These women are educated, they drive, they go to university - a few even entered the Air Force, which after all has a lot of office jobs and very few ruffian types running around. If they are stationed at Ramat David - they can go home every night if they work the bus schedule correctly.

    They SELDOM marry outside their tribe.

    , @Art Deco
    Whether or not Arabs are stupid and lazy, they're outnumbered by 13 to 1 in France and (prior to the Merkel invitation) by larger margins elsewhere. Fertility rates in Britain and France are adequate. If the governments in both loci get off their duffs and fix the immigration regime, any problems coming from the Muslim minority will be contained.
    , @Kevin in Ohio
    Which so boggles the mind because Europeans do love their secularism.

    Yet, is there any other way forward?

    On one hand, politics is about power. On the other, embracing Islam would completely invalidate their worldview and ideology. One cannot be a radical queer feminist and a Mohammadean. Though I do suppose they're just the useful idiots in all this, but one wonders...

    Unless, of course, as I suspect, we've entered Bizzaro World:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0LPIc5JIFwk

    , @Simon in London
    "Islamic ideology running on efficient high IQ German hardware."

    Himmler's dream come true at last!
    , @Samuel Skinner
    Arabs IQ is 84 and Muslim IQ is 81. Interbreed with Germans and you get a population with an IQ of 90-92. So somewhere between Albania and Greece in terms of intelligence.

    Yeah, we have nothing to worry about.
    , @AM

    with Germans, we could see Islamic ideology running on efficient high IQ German hardware. Which, well, best not to think about.
     
    Umm..we've already seen this. It was called WWII and the Holocaust. And in fact, what @Nico is happening right now. German culture is facing a "Red Star" stage before an implosion.
    , @Dmitry134564
    There's a famous quote from Hitler on this subject:

    "Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers [...] then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world."[5]

    According to Speer, Hitler stated in private, "The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"
    , @Corvinus
    "Muslims have a tremendous advantage in their ideology (basically, rape and subjugate everyone)..."

    What you described is other than ideology. They are actions, not beliefs. Furthermore, in what way are they "advantages"?

    "but they’ve been held back by their low IQ, laziness a general worthlessness of their genes."

    Laziness COULD be genetic.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/being-lazy-could-be-genetic-say-scientists-9128595.html

    "But if the migrants successfully “integrate” (which means – interbreed) with Germans, we could see Islamic ideology running on efficient high IQ German hardware. Which, well, best not to think about."

    Of course, you are speculating. It could be just as well that their intermingling would produce a super German/Muslim mix capable of eradicating the scourge known as Radical Islam.
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  23. notanon says:

    “conservative” in the UK means socially liberal and economically neo-liberal – effectively the same as Democrat in the US

    conservative in the US still retains elements of Christianity, social conservatism and economic nationalism – at least among the base

    so I’m not sure the thesis completely works.

    #

    nb it’s already obvious in Europe that jihad will beat jungle partly because of greater group cohesion and partly because of the overlap – islam has always had black foot soldiers to do their fighting for them

    #

    the banking mafia are in the process of destroying the West and moving to East Asia (where over a century or two they will repeat the policies that led to the destruction of the West).

    if they succeed some Jews will follow them and others will go to Israel – however if the banking mafia succeed the Israel option will have the downside of being in a sea of Islam from Ireland to the Indian border.

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  24. Tiny Duck says:

    The victim mentality here is amusing and sbaffling. Leonard Pitts has pointed out the absurdity of white men complaining about oppression. As he says whites enjoy advantages in housing health and employment. What you guys are scared of is a level playing field

    The future will be equal. Hisrtiry will be told that better reflects that white men never invented anything. Your daughters will bear Childten of olir and your sons will be muslins

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    Herstory, not history! :D
    , @Dave
    You're getting sloppy, my man. Occasional misspellings help bolster your trolling, but too many in one post undermines your efforts.
    , @Marat Said
    "Your daughters will bear Childten of olir and your sons will be muslins"

    LOL


    You know, in addition to correcting the obvious mispelling of "children", if you changed one letter in "olir", to "olor", you would have a full sentence consisting of genuine words. Yes! you can do it!

    But would it even then make any sense? Let's review definitions of "olor":

    1) from Latin, olor, swan

    Well, then they'd still be white children, wouldn't they, so I surmise this won't do.

    2) from Catalan, olor, stink, reek

    Stinky kids? It's tempting.

    3) a Kenyan term, etymology unknown, olor, a piece of cowhide or plastic tied onto a male goat like a skirt. . . used by Kenyan goatherders to prevent bucks from impregnating the female goats during times of drought.

    Why, this is preternaturally perfect. The daughter's children, of caprine chastity diaper paternity, wind up both genetically and texturally (one might even pun, histologically) related to the muslin sons. All children of the cloth, as it were.
    Genius!
    , @Old Palo Altan
    "The future will be equal".

    I would take you for a fool, did I not know that you are a but a troll.
    , @unpc downunder
    It depends which group of whites you're talking about. Wealthy whites (and jews) are getting richer, so they can't be said to be suffering. However, middle class whites have stagnating incomes and working class whites have worsening health statistics. We've had 50 years of anti-white identity politics, yet statistics show "the Man" at the top is better off than he was 50 years ago. What is your explanation.
    , @Curle
    Tiny, you make some good points but I remain perplexed by the decision of your presumed forefathers to escape when offered their own Colony first in Liberia and later when Lincoln contemplated a Panama colony for America's black population? In both instances black leaders and their charges either balked at the the schemes or largely avoided them altogether even when tied to American funding; preferring it would appear to stay tied down and oppressed by Whitey. On an actions speak louder than words scale it seems blacks fear little more than being separated from their white benefactors.
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  25. Nico says:

    While Jews in America earn like Episcopalians and vote like Puerto Ricans, Jews in Europe are, if anything, even more politically conservative than their earnings would suggest (and have become more so even as high earners have been moving gradually leftwards).

    This is changing somewhat as the energies of the political left in Europe turn away from socialism (which has never been really big on the American political left, NDLR) and towards social-liberalism, particularly in France. The appeal to Jews in the West of a Cartesian “party of reason” claiming pragmatism and progressivism while cynically avoiding subjects of existential importance to the nation’s historically Christian ethnic majority is as intuitive as it is real.

    Sarkozy was a big hit among French Jewry, but they almost certainly preferred Macron to Fillon (I am at this time unable to find exact numbers for the first round, but they seem to have gone massively for Macron over Le Pen in the second). The Jewish preference for the Tories over the LibDems in the U.K. is probably a function of the dearth of dynamism and charisma in the latter and the relative blandness of the Tory platform feels “safe.”

    On the whole I disagree with Irish Paleo’s analysis (I usually agree with him full-on). It is a mistake to overestimate the role of fear of the increasingly Muslim voting base of the left (socialist and social-liberal confounded) of driving European Jews rightward. Zionism is far less often the target of ire of the Islamic Fifth Column in Europe than is the hated racist white oppressor Crusader, and notwithstanding Marine Le Pen’s efforts to smooch the behind of anything non-white, non-Christian and non-European that she thinks might eventually support the FN, her party has not made any gains worth mentioning among Israelites.

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    but they almost certainly preferred Macron to Fillon
     
    No.
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  26. NickG says:
    @Anon
    What does it matter if the 'left' has problem winning elections?

    With 'conservatives' like May & Merkel and with 'centrists' like Macron, who needs the Right in Europe?
    They are all globalist crazy. The 'right' in Europe is meaningless and totally cucked. As for the real right, like LePen, they never seem to win anything.

    In the struggle between Jihad and Jungle, the latter will win because black Africa has the highest birthrates and keep coming and because white women got jungle fever.

    Le Pen’s Front National is not right wing, it is distinctly left wing leaning. It’s also nationalist.

    But it is quite common to have left wing cohabiting with nationalism. The Soviet Union was, as has been Vietnam and China, Burma and others.

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    The Soviet Union, and Communism in general, started out as internationalist, not nationalist. Vietnam a different story.
    , @Jack D

    But it is quite common to have left wing cohabiting with nationalism
     
    I just thought of a name for such a party - you could call it "National Socialism".

    When the left wing takes power it is often internationalist at first but it always seems to drift toward nationalism/totalitarianism as the economy always go south and the need to find enemies to blame increases. After scapegoating and eliminating the "foreign elements" still doesn't magically bring back prosperity you move on to the next phase where the Revolution eats its own.

    What is amazing is that the same scenario plays out over and over (currently on show in Venezuela) but the locals never seem to connect the dots. Just this week on NPR I heard some lefty journalist on NPR say how much she had liked Chavez at first - he gave hope to the poor, etc. and isn't a shame how things deteriorated, as if the current situation was not the inevitable destination of the road that Chavez set out on.
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  27. As samuel Johnson is often quoted, “Depend upon it, sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully.”

    Jews in Europe live every day with the intolerance of Europe’s new Chosen People and the renewed prospect of their own extermination. American Jews have a cream-puff life at worst.

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  28. Thea says:

    I think the distinction between left and right is gone. Now it us just ruling class vs the outsiders.

    May is part of the same ruling class as Blair. Calling her right is a stretch.

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    "Now it us just ruling class vs the outsiders."

    'Twas ever thus.

    , @Expletive Deleted
    Blair is posher than May, by some distance, in the middle-middle-class milieu they spring from. State-schooled, grammar school girl in a school which turned into the local comp, capped off with a Second in Geog. She's practically a 'counter-jumper' in comparison to People's Tribune Blair, strictly Margaret Hilda Roberts-tier.
    Oh and she actually believes in God and Jesus, which should hold her back even more as a politician, but not as a human being, unlike Tony Mephistopheles.
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  29. George says:

    Too much Jew talk:

    Jews these days are very diverse. The old White and Black America has given way to the multicult. So Jews are more amorphous than maybe they were in your youth. Jewish is becoming a category rather than the more specific thing it was in the past.

    Anti Zionist Jews:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neturei_Karta

    http://www.truetorahjews.org/

    Introduction to anti Zionist thinking on Israel.

    Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro explains the reasons why Orthodox Jews do not serve in the Israeli army

    Muslims in Europe are also very diverse. One of the complaints at TatjanaFesterling.com is that every local complaint in the Muslim world brings out protesters on both sides in Germany. So Erdogen vs Gulen thing in Turkey brings out protesters on both sides in Germany. Iran vs Saudi Arabia. Hezbollah Iran Alawites vs Takfiries. and the rest.

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    Jewish leftism is not going to disappear so easily. The problem is that when leftist Jews marry gentiles, they marry very leftist gentiles. Their kids are raised like red diaper babies, who then perpetuate more extreme leftism.

    The only way leftist ideology is going to disappear is either because 1) The left has fewer children than the right, which is happening among the higher classes, but not the lower, where the reverse is true, or 2) Being leftwing carries an economic penalty that makes you poor. But there's a staggering amount of money in our econonomic system that's being shunted towards the left, so there is no penalty. Rich leftists get inheritances, trust funds, donations to their foundations, etc. Upper-middle and middle-class leftists get grants, student loans, and access to elite colleges where they make contacts who can get them high-paying jobs. Poor leftists get welfare, ebt, bank loans to buy houses and cars, etc.

    Our current economic system is set up to reward the left for doing absolutely nothing. Unless we dismantle this system, the right doesn't have a chance. We need to get rid of welfare and quit giving grants and student loans to leftist students.
    , @biz

    explains the reasons why Orthodox Jews do not serve in the Israeli army
     
    Dumb. Orthodox Jews serve proudly and consistently in the Israeli army. It is only (some) Ultra-Orthodox Jews that don't.

    These Neturei Karta are a strange cult that number maybe 200 people worldwide and are not considered Jewish by any other Jewish group. They are nothing.

    Why is there so much ignorance on display here?
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  30. Nico says:
    @27 year old
    >What will more likely happen is Arabs forcing whites to convert,


    This reminds me of a comment I read on iSteve a while back about the true nightmare scenario for Europe: an "integrated" Islamic Germany. Muslims have a tremendous advantage in their ideology (basically, rape and subjugate everyone), but they've been held back by their low IQ, laziness a general worthlessness of their genes. But if the migrants successfully "integrate" (which means - interbreed) with Germans, we could see Islamic ideology running on efficient high IQ German hardware. Which, well, best not to think about.

    Muslims have a tremendous advantage in their ideology (basically, rape and subjugate everyone), but they’ve been held back by their low IQ, laziness a general worthlessness of their genes. But if the migrants successfully “integrate” (which means – interbreed) with Germans, we could see Islamic ideology running on efficient high IQ German hardware.

    That would be nightmarish in the interim but it would probably lead to rapid decline of Germany within a few generations, similar to the way the fast initial Islamic Arab conquests led to a glorious Golden Age uniting various strains under the efficient ideology you rightly speak of, then tapering off steadily every century until the conversion of the Turks, who eventually took the same path from the 15th century on after gobbling up the remains of the Arab and Byzantine Empries.

    The culprit? Consanguinity, which is rampant in nearly all Islamic countries and is tapering off only in Algeria (whose decades-long official policies of Arabization are not fending off the preeminence of French on the Internet or the desire of parents to have their children schooled in French). The effects of inbreeding depression probably explain why Maghrebins look so different from Sicilians and Maltese despite the genetic affinity history suggests they should have. I also suspect the long consanguinity has had a deleterious effect on the Islamic populations, so that even if they stopped it tomorrow certain salutary alleles may be badly reduced or lost to their respective gene pools.

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    I wouldn't worry quite so much. Any time two dissimiliar populations come across each other, they have a way of segregating and developing a caste system. This is what history teaches us. The only populations that blend are the ones with few differences.
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  31. Karl says:
    @27 year old
    >What will more likely happen is Arabs forcing whites to convert,


    This reminds me of a comment I read on iSteve a while back about the true nightmare scenario for Europe: an "integrated" Islamic Germany. Muslims have a tremendous advantage in their ideology (basically, rape and subjugate everyone), but they've been held back by their low IQ, laziness a general worthlessness of their genes. But if the migrants successfully "integrate" (which means - interbreed) with Germans, we could see Islamic ideology running on efficient high IQ German hardware. Which, well, best not to think about.

    12 27 year old > This reminds me of a comment I read on iSteve a while back about the true nightmare scenario for Europe: an “integrated” Islamic Germany

    Biology is destiny

    white German Muslims would probably be most like white Bosnian Muslims and like white Circassian Muslims

    You ought to visit Kafr Kama, the Circassian village in the Galilee.

    I am told that it has the country’s HIGHEST rate of employment in the Border Police. And the Israel Border Police are not kindler and gentler than city cops in Hertzliya…. trust me on that.

    You think ===Jews=== are tribal? Wait till you start sniffing around a Druze girl or a Circassian girl.

    These women are educated, they drive, they go to university – a few even entered the Air Force, which after all has a lot of office jobs and very few ruffian types running around. If they are stationed at Ramat David – they can go home every night if they work the bus schedule correctly.

    They SELDOM marry outside their tribe.

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  32. Art Deco says:

    In all but 2 or 3 European countries, the Jewish population is so small that it is difficult to survey. In Britain, the mode among Jews is Orthodoxy; Orthodox Jews in America are not notably portside, either. In both Britain and France there is a hostility to Israel in public life that is comparatively uncommon in North America, and, in Britain at least, it’s more of a leftish phenomenon (though you find it on the right too).

    The class cleavage is more consequential in determining political views in Britain than it ever has been in the United States. In the U.S., patron-client networks, subcultural cleavages and family heritage have always been the influential factors, with class a weak vector (bar during the Depression and perhaps the industrial shakeout of the early 1980s). In France, you had cross-cutting cleavages. Patron-client networks have declined as the political parties in France have grown stronger and the Catholic-Secular cleavage has declined in salience as the Church in France has evaporated. This last has one might wager reduced the resistance of French Jews to the starboard parties.

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    European Jews are in my view only to the "right" of American Jews to the extent that the classic economic liberalism adopted by most postwar right-wing parties is often confused with "right-wing ideology" nowadays, and as the capitalists increasingly abandon the traditionalists (see the SJW tendencies of American corporations and the French business world's enthusiasm for Macron and his pragmatic social-liberalism) I predict Jews will quickly abandon European right-wing parties as well. Conservatism, Inc. buzzwords notwithstanding, Marxian socialism was never a strong animating force in the Democratic Party. Thus when Jews abandoned Marxism, they had to abandon the overtly socialist left-wing parties in Europe but there was no need to jump ship on the other side of the pond, especially after Bill Clinton destroyed what was left of the syndicalist blue-collar wing of the Democratic Party.
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  33. Art Deco says:
    @Anon
    First of all, there just aren't many Jews in Europe. There are more in New York alone than in Britain, France and Italy combined. We can blame Hitler for this. He is probably also responsible for the political differences between European and American Jews.

    In the 1930s and 40s, European Jews who fled Europe for other places, including the U.S., were disproportionately left-wing rather than right-wing because they understood, right from the start, the ideological threat of Nazism. These people are the ancestors of modern American Jews.

    Conservative/religious Jews OTOH just thought Hitler was another Kaiser and that being ruled by Nazis was going to be like being ruled by WWI-era Germans. They didn't attempt to flee and were killed in large numbers. The survivors were the ancestors of modern European Jews.

    In the 1930s and 40s, European Jews who fled Europe for other places, including the U.S., were disproportionately left-wing rather than right-wing because they understood, right from the start, the ideological threat of Nazism. These people are the ancestors of modern American Jews.

    The bulk of American Jewry is descended of Russian and Hapsburg Jews who migrated between 1890 and 1924. There’s a small older strand who came from the German states between 1840 and 1890.

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    There's an even older Sephardic strand that made it to the South. The first male white child born in the Georgia colony was a Jew, Philip (Uri) Minis on July 11, 1734.
    , @snorlax
    He is half-right, in that the Jews who stayed the ones who for reasons of politics, wealth or assimilation didn't particularly mind living under the local Kaiser or Tsar.[1] And that in turn explains why the ones who stayed by and large didn't start trying to emigrate (if at all) until it was already far too late and even then not really acting truly desperately,[2] like they thought their lives were in danger.

    Not that they ought to have in any sense other than hindsight; it's easy to see how a European Jew who always went with the most reasonable, Occam's Razor version of events would've remained oblivious to what was coming right up to the moment gas started coming out of the showerhead, as was indeed often the case.

    Seeing so many European Jews led to their deaths by their neighbors, who they had considered harmless or even friendly, no doubt played a large part in why the majority political current among American Jews so quickly shifted from Marxism to post-Marxist identity-based leftism.[3]

    The same previously idealized "working class" suddenly seemed a vast, sinister, unknowable mass, and every real and imagined slight a death threat. A suspicion developed (entirely understandably, but disastrously) that Jews could never be safe as long as there existed any popular conception of positive racial, religious or masculine/military components to American or European national identities.

    This spectacular failure of Occam's Razor does much to explain too the reluctance of many/most modern-day American Jews to accept Occam's Razor explanations for political and social phenomena in favor of explanations involving secret Nazi cabals plotting to murder all the Jews.

    After all, the price for getting it wrong about Occam's Razor is maybe you elect too many Democrats and they jack up your taxes, let all the crooks out of jail and turn your son into a purple-haired Muslim lesbian married to patio furniture. But the price for getting it wrong about the secret Nazi plot, as 6 million did, is death for you and your whole family and people.

    At least you know 100% everything the Democrats are thinking and planning, and none of it is Nazi murder plots.[4] You can't be more than 99% sure about those strange people from the nether reaches, with their snake-hunting revival shotguns and varmint-handling semiautomatic churches.

    Now, there are plenty of logical and factual problems with this weltanschauung, but it makes perfect emotional sense. The question is not so much "what's the matter with Jews?" (they're acting out of their perceived prudent self-interest), it's "what's the matter with white non-Jews?"

    [1] You can see it clearly enough today; American Jewish folk histories rarely have anything positive to say about the old country or its people, but (IME) the Jackson-Vanik arrivals consider themselves Russian first and Jewish second (or rather 651st; they'd consider me highly remiss not to mention that they're AMERICAN in places 1 through 13×50). They call themselves "Russian," speak affectionately of Russian culture and (ordinary) people, and you have to discover through conversation or contextual inference that they're Jewish.

    [2] Such as: taking Trujillo up on his offer, going to other places that took all comers, Jews-included,[2a] or at least granted entry to most Jewish asylum-seekers (Switzerland, Argentina, Spain, Portugal), immigrating to their destinations illegally or under false identities (more difficult and dangerous then than now, but hardly impossible), traveling openly to Palestine and daring Britain to deport them, or creating false documentation (identity papers, genealogical records, sham marriages) to evade German racial laws. Hundreds of thousands did escape by such means or tried to, but many more did not.

    [2a] The USSR, China (which didn't so much take all comers as it had not, since the Boxer Rebellion, had any government—even the Japanese—able or willing to stop foreigners from coming and going as they pleased) and certain settler colonies—few French Jews went to Algeria between the fall of France and Operation Torch, even though no passport was necessary (it was, almost unique among European colonies, formally annexed by France in 1848) and Vichy-flagged ships were considered neutral.

    [3] This paralleled a simultaneous shift on the left and in American society as a whole, but it's fair to say the trend among Jews 1945-75 was quite dramatic even relative to the center of the Overton Window at any given time.

    [4] Jewish voting habits will flip when they start to be, in large numbers and at high levels, barred from Democrat decision-making bodies on whiteness grounds.
    , @Anonymous
    If that's so, then why does practically every Jewish person I hear eventually bring out the tales of their grandmother who escaped the Holocaust?
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  34. Art Deco says:
    @27 year old
    >What will more likely happen is Arabs forcing whites to convert,


    This reminds me of a comment I read on iSteve a while back about the true nightmare scenario for Europe: an "integrated" Islamic Germany. Muslims have a tremendous advantage in their ideology (basically, rape and subjugate everyone), but they've been held back by their low IQ, laziness a general worthlessness of their genes. But if the migrants successfully "integrate" (which means - interbreed) with Germans, we could see Islamic ideology running on efficient high IQ German hardware. Which, well, best not to think about.

    Whether or not Arabs are stupid and lazy, they’re outnumbered by 13 to 1 in France and (prior to the Merkel invitation) by larger margins elsewhere. Fertility rates in Britain and France are adequate. If the governments in both loci get off their duffs and fix the immigration regime, any problems coming from the Muslim minority will be contained.

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    Have you checked birth rates by race?
    , @Stebbing Heuer
    If.
    , @notanon

    Whether or not Arabs are stupid and lazy, they’re outnumbered by 13 to 1 in France and (prior to the Merkel invitation) by larger margins elsewhere.
     
    1) no they're not

    2) no they're not even more among the young

    3) no they're not even more than that among the young in the big cities

    the predicted civil war has begun and the people trying to lull westerners to sleep are still singing their poisonous song
    , @Frau Katze
    I disagree. I've been following Islam in Europe carefully.

    The percentage of the population that is Muslim in the U.K. is age-related, it's highest amongst young children.

    Nobody else (apparently even migrants that aren't Muslim) is having enough children. It's below replacement across the board, save for Muslims.

    And even worse, it's highest for traditional, religious Muslims,

    Those that leave their faith truly do assimilate, at least as far as birth rates go.

    I've written off the UK.

    Statistics are impossible to come by in France. The French have decided that the best way to disguise their rapidly Islamizing population by refusing to keep any stats by religion. They're sunk.

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  35. @27 year old
    >What will more likely happen is Arabs forcing whites to convert,


    This reminds me of a comment I read on iSteve a while back about the true nightmare scenario for Europe: an "integrated" Islamic Germany. Muslims have a tremendous advantage in their ideology (basically, rape and subjugate everyone), but they've been held back by their low IQ, laziness a general worthlessness of their genes. But if the migrants successfully "integrate" (which means - interbreed) with Germans, we could see Islamic ideology running on efficient high IQ German hardware. Which, well, best not to think about.

    Which so boggles the mind because Europeans do love their secularism.

    Yet, is there any other way forward?

    On one hand, politics is about power. On the other, embracing Islam would completely invalidate their worldview and ideology. One cannot be a radical queer feminist and a Mohammadean. Though I do suppose they’re just the useful idiots in all this, but one wonders…

    Unless, of course, as I suspect, we’ve entered Bizzaro World:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0LPIc5JIFwk

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    One cannot be a radical queer feminist and a Mohammadean.
     
    No, but one can be a radical queer pederast and a Mohammedan, as is common in Afghanistan.
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  36. Nico says:
    @Art Deco
    In all but 2 or 3 European countries, the Jewish population is so small that it is difficult to survey. In Britain, the mode among Jews is Orthodoxy; Orthodox Jews in America are not notably portside, either. In both Britain and France there is a hostility to Israel in public life that is comparatively uncommon in North America, and, in Britain at least, it's more of a leftish phenomenon (though you find it on the right too).

    The class cleavage is more consequential in determining political views in Britain than it ever has been in the United States. In the U.S., patron-client networks, subcultural cleavages and family heritage have always been the influential factors, with class a weak vector (bar during the Depression and perhaps the industrial shakeout of the early 1980s). In France, you had cross-cutting cleavages. Patron-client networks have declined as the political parties in France have grown stronger and the Catholic-Secular cleavage has declined in salience as the Church in France has evaporated. This last has one might wager reduced the resistance of French Jews to the starboard parties.

    European Jews are in my view only to the “right” of American Jews to the extent that the classic economic liberalism adopted by most postwar right-wing parties is often confused with “right-wing ideology” nowadays, and as the capitalists increasingly abandon the traditionalists (see the SJW tendencies of American corporations and the French business world’s enthusiasm for Macron and his pragmatic social-liberalism) I predict Jews will quickly abandon European right-wing parties as well. Conservatism, Inc. buzzwords notwithstanding, Marxian socialism was never a strong animating force in the Democratic Party. Thus when Jews abandoned Marxism, they had to abandon the overtly socialist left-wing parties in Europe but there was no need to jump ship on the other side of the pond, especially after Bill Clinton destroyed what was left of the syndicalist blue-collar wing of the Democratic Party.

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    especially after Bill Clinton destroyed what was left of the syndicalist blue-collar wing of the Democratic Party.

    Clinton didn't destroy 'the syndicalist blue collar wing'. He was less deferential to the conventional unions than was Walter Mondale, but so was every other man who has placed well in presidential nominating derbies in the last 4 decades (with the possible exceptions of Ted Kennedy and Tom Harkin). Union penetration of private sector employment was at its peak in 1955. It's declined as the ratio of service workers to industrial workers in the economy has grown. The ratio of union to non-union employees in the private sector in 1955 was about 1:2. By 1999, it was 1:10. The unions did capture ever larger shares of public sector employees and (if I'm not mistaken) public employees now make up half of all union membership). I think you'd have to scrounge to find a Democratic pol outside the South who is content to not be in the NEAs good books.

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  37. @reiner Tor
    I agree that the "Right" in Europe is totally useless, but I don't think Jungle would win against Jihad, if for no other reason than because there's a considerable overlap between the two. Arabs have also traditionally dominated blacks under most circumstances. Their birthrates are I think usually higher, too. I cannot imagine blacks dominating the scene.

    What will more likely happen is Arabs forcing whites to convert, at which point white elites might regain the initiative. What edge or ideological cohesion do Arabs have over, say, second generation white Muslim converts? Islam loses its potency against fellow Muslims.

    Non-Arab converts to Islam surpassing their Arab converters has been a common feature of Islam, starting with the Persians, and followed by the Mongols and Turks.

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  38. I agree with Irish Paleo that the Jewish viewpoint in Europe is very different, aside from a few childless lefties in the metropolitan capitals – I had never met a British Jew with “American” attitudes until a few years ago, and it was quite a shock. But I can’t really see US Jews “losing control of the media”, as Silverman put it – even if the non-white Democratic base is very anti-Jewish, there is no force capable of displacing them. The Chinese might one day earn more money, but they are not media people. Jews don’t control the Narrative in Europe simply because there are not enough Jews here. The people who do control the narrative in ‘Britain’ (ie London) are not Muslims, they are upper middle class Lefty WASPS. Likewise in Ireland it’s the WANCS – White Anglo-Norman Catholics. >:D

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    The European left lives in Mickey Mouse countries and spend much of its time complaining about American (pro Israel) actions in the middle East. European Jews react against that.

    The key issue for organised American Jewry is Israel. Trump was initially equivocal, but it seems he is going to continue with the two state solution, which is official (and bipartisan) US policy. Israel as a Jewish state is doomed, unless it withdraws from the west bank or expels the Palestinians from the occupied territories. American Jews individually deeply resent white gentiles being a majority in the West.

    Individually Jews want immigration to displace the white gentiles, but they also want America to preserve Israel as a Jewish state. These are mutually incompatible objectives, and so the American Jews will go right or left depending on whether Jewish group interests (organisation) or personal agrandisment (individual feelings) dominate the lives of Jews in the future .

    , @Art Deco
    But I can’t really see US Jews “losing control of the media”, as Silverman put it

    The position in American media and entertainment of corporations owned and / or managed by Jews was at its peak around about 1945. They've lost most of what they ever had. (And a number of prominent Jews in media were quite assimilationist in their conduct and outlook - Eugene Meyer, Wm. Paley, Grant Tinker, and clan Sulzberger to name a few).
    , @3g4me
    @35 Simon in London: "Jews don't control the Narrative in Europe . . . "

    Somehow you conveniently neglect to mention the enormous number and influence of Jews in the British media, particularly their almost total control over the BBC, when you falsely assert that "The people who do control the narrative in ‘Britain’ (ie London) are not Muslims, they are upper middle class Lefty WASPS. " Alan Yentob is hardly an isolated example. It is rather simple to note that the British media is heavily controlled by Jews, although there are perhaps more Whites playing the role of "shabbos goy," while still holding such traitorous Whites to blame for their part.

    And, of course, there is Sweden's Bonnier Group, which exerts almost total control over print and broadcast media, and is Jewish-owned. France has an unfortunately long tradition of Jewish leftist journalists and self-styled philosophers.

    Your statement is not merely baseless and laughable, it is a lie.
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  39. @27 year old
    >What will more likely happen is Arabs forcing whites to convert,


    This reminds me of a comment I read on iSteve a while back about the true nightmare scenario for Europe: an "integrated" Islamic Germany. Muslims have a tremendous advantage in their ideology (basically, rape and subjugate everyone), but they've been held back by their low IQ, laziness a general worthlessness of their genes. But if the migrants successfully "integrate" (which means - interbreed) with Germans, we could see Islamic ideology running on efficient high IQ German hardware. Which, well, best not to think about.

    “Islamic ideology running on efficient high IQ German hardware.”

    Himmler’s dream come true at last!

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    Himmler’s dream come true at last!
     
    Careful, don't say that in Germany. In Munich, a gentleman posting a photo of a Nazi official shaking hands with the grand mufti of Jerusalem to illustrate his article on parallels between Islam and fascism has just been sentenced to a six-month prison term (suspended for three and a half years) plus 100 hours of community service.

    The judge used Germany's prohibition against publishing Nazi imagery (the swastika armband on the Nazi official) while ignoring the explicit exemption in the law for scholarly and information purposes.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    As Hitler reportedly said (via Albert Speer's memoir) - "a Muslim Germany would by now already have dominated the world. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?".

    The 75% Tory vote was methinks heavily influenced by Corbyn's Palestinian sympathies, so I wouldn't read too much into it.
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  40. Dr. X says:
    @Anon
    First of all, there just aren't many Jews in Europe. There are more in New York alone than in Britain, France and Italy combined. We can blame Hitler for this. He is probably also responsible for the political differences between European and American Jews.

    In the 1930s and 40s, European Jews who fled Europe for other places, including the U.S., were disproportionately left-wing rather than right-wing because they understood, right from the start, the ideological threat of Nazism. These people are the ancestors of modern American Jews.

    Conservative/religious Jews OTOH just thought Hitler was another Kaiser and that being ruled by Nazis was going to be like being ruled by WWI-era Germans. They didn't attempt to flee and were killed in large numbers. The survivors were the ancestors of modern European Jews.

    In the 1930s and 40s, European Jews who fled Europe for other places, including the U.S., were disproportionately left-wing rather than right-wing because they understood, right from the start, the ideological threat of Nazism. These people are the ancestors of modern American Jews.

    Correct. Most people today fail to understand that Hitler’s #1 enemy was the USSR, which he believed was controlled by “Jewish Bolshevists.”

    Nearly all of the Jewish immigration to the U.S. while Ellis Island was open came from the Russian Empire and the “Pale of Settlement,” the same area that produced the Jewish Bolshevists of 1917. Long before Hitler came onto the scene, they U.S. was getting the likes of Emma Goldman. Even Leon Trotsky briefly lived in New York prior to the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution. And of course the notorious Rosenbergs, who gave the USSR American nuclear secrets after WWII, were the children of Jewish immigrants to New York.

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  41. @Anon
    What does it matter if the 'left' has problem winning elections?

    With 'conservatives' like May & Merkel and with 'centrists' like Macron, who needs the Right in Europe?
    They are all globalist crazy. The 'right' in Europe is meaningless and totally cucked. As for the real right, like LePen, they never seem to win anything.

    In the struggle between Jihad and Jungle, the latter will win because black Africa has the highest birthrates and keep coming and because white women got jungle fever.

    I agree. The electable “conservatives” of Europe are indistinguishable from our liberal Democrats.

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  42. @27 year old
    >What will more likely happen is Arabs forcing whites to convert,


    This reminds me of a comment I read on iSteve a while back about the true nightmare scenario for Europe: an "integrated" Islamic Germany. Muslims have a tremendous advantage in their ideology (basically, rape and subjugate everyone), but they've been held back by their low IQ, laziness a general worthlessness of their genes. But if the migrants successfully "integrate" (which means - interbreed) with Germans, we could see Islamic ideology running on efficient high IQ German hardware. Which, well, best not to think about.

    Arabs IQ is 84 and Muslim IQ is 81. Interbreed with Germans and you get a population with an IQ of 90-92. So somewhere between Albania and Greece in terms of intelligence.

    Yeah, we have nothing to worry about.

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  43. The Jews have joined the WASPs to form the new ruling class of the American Empire. The WASP/Jew ruling class in the American Empire pushes nation-wrecking mass immigration, job-killing trade deal scams and endless overseas war. The guiding ideological force for the Wasp/Jew ruling class is Globalization.

    Jews in Europe have pushed the alleged conservative political parties so far into the Globalizer camp that it doesn’t matter if the Jews politically support someone like Prime Minister Theresa May in the United Kingdom. Remember, PM May was a reluctant participant in the campaign to reclaim British sovereignty by leaving the European Union. PM May is a Globalizer who presided over the mass immigration policies of PM Cameron whilst she was Home Secretary.

    The WASP/Jew ruling class in the United States is evil and it must be dislodged from power. The WASP capitulation to the Jews on the question of national identity has led to the point where Civil War II looms on the horizon. The evil WASPs went belly up in their duty to preserve the cultural and political survival of the European Christian ancestral core of the United States.

    Nationwide debt repudiation will soon lead to the outbreak of Civil War II. Young White Core Americans will no longer pay the debts of the WASP/Jew ruling class. Young White Core Americans will no longer tolerate nation-wrecking mass immigration. Debt and demography will lead to Civil War II.

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  44. BB753 says:

    In France, Sephardic Jews predominate. While they’re not likely to vote for Le Pen, they have an intense hatred for Arabs, the result of centuries living under Muslim yoke. For instance, Éric Zemmour, an outspoken critic of French Islam, comes from an Algerian Sephardic background. Also, they’re not as smart or ungrateful as their Ashkenazi cousins. True, Sephardim might be more clannish than Ashkenazim, but they don’t actively resent their Gentile hosts like Ashkenazis do.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89ric_Zemmour

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  45. yyrvjh says:
    @Simon in London
    "Islamic ideology running on efficient high IQ German hardware."

    Himmler's dream come true at last!

    Himmler’s dream come true at last!

    Careful, don’t say that in Germany. In Munich, a gentleman posting a photo of a Nazi official shaking hands with the grand mufti of Jerusalem to illustrate his article on parallels between Islam and fascism has just been sentenced to a six-month prison term (suspended for three and a half years) plus 100 hours of community service.

    The judge used Germany’s prohibition against publishing Nazi imagery (the swastika armband on the Nazi official) while ignoring the explicit exemption in the law for scholarly and information purposes.

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    Some ten or twelve years ago I went round an auction house in Wiesbaden. Many of the items about to be auctioned off were militaria, much of it from the Third Reich.
    I laughed (and was hushed) when I remarked that every single swastika, however small, was covered over with a piece of plain paper.

    Of course this po-faced idiocy made the mysterious symbols more rather than less conspicuous.

    Grow up Germans. Grow up, or die.
    , @reiner Tor
    Can you provide a source, please? I'd love to share this story.
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  46. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    As Kennerly noticed in his classic 37 years ago :

    “…One of the ironies of the history of the Jews in America was that their long championship of black civil liberties had begun to backfire so badly in the late 1960s.

    As Seymour Lipset has put it, “The integrationist movement was largely an alliance between Negroes and Jews (who, to a considerable extent, actually dominated it).

    Many of the interracial civil-rights organizations have been led and financed by whites, and the majority of their white members have been Jews.

    Insofar as a Negro effort emerged to break loose from involvement with whites, from domination of the civil-rights struggle by white liberals, it meant concretely a break with Jews, for they were the whites who were active in these movements.

    The Black Nationalist leadership had to push whites (Jews) ‘out of the way,’ and to stop white (Jewish) ‘interference’ in order to get whites (Jews) ‘off their backs.’”

    Meanwhile, Black Power groups such as SNCC and the Black Panthers were voicing support for the Arabs against Israel.

    This sometimes looked like a mere matter of black nationalism; after all, Egypt was a part of Africa, and black nationalist literature sometimes seemed to identify the Arabs as blacks fighting the white Israelis.

    Or else it looked like merely a commitment to world socialism; the Soviet Union and China supported the Arabs against the imperialist tools, the Israelis.

    But many Jewish leaders regarded the anti-Zionist stances of groups like the Panthers as a veiled American-brand anti-Semitism, tied up with such less theoretical matters as extortion, robbery and mayhem by blacks against Jews in ghetto areas.

    They cited things like the August 30, 1969, issue of Black Panther, which carried an article entitled “Zionism (Kosher Nationalism) + Imperialism = Fascism” and spoke of “the fascist pigs.”

    The June, 1967, issue of another Panther publication, Black Power, had carried a poem entitled “Jew-Land,” which said:

    Jew-Land, On a summer afternoon, Really, Couldn’t kill the Jews too soon,
    Now dig. The Jews have stolen our bread
    Their filthy women tricked our men into bed
    So I won’t rest until the Jews are dead . . .
    In Jew-Land, Don’t be a Tom on Israel’s side
    Really, Cause that’s where Christ was crucified. ”

    And than, it took them forever to cultivate ” first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy”, but yet….

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    As Kennerly noticed in his classic 37 years ago :

    “…One of the ironies of the history of the Jews in America was that their long championship of black civil liberties had begun to backfire so badly in the late 1960s.

    As Seymour Lipset has put it, “The integrationist movement was largely an alliance between Negroes and Jews (who, to a considerable extent, actually dominated it).

    Many of the interracial civil-rights organizations have been led and financed by whites, and the majority of their white members have been Jews.

    Insofar as a Negro effort emerged to break loose from involvement with whites, from domination of the civil-rights struggle by white liberals, it meant concretely a break with Jews, for they were the whites who were active in these movements.

    The Black Nationalist leadership had to push whites (Jews) ‘out of the way,’ and to stop white (Jewish) ‘interference’ in order to get whites (Jews) ‘off their backs.’”

    Meanwhile, Black Power groups such as SNCC and the Black Panthers were voicing support for the Arabs against Israel.

    This sometimes looked like a mere matter of black nationalism; after all, Egypt was a part of Africa, and black nationalist literature sometimes seemed to identify the Arabs as blacks fighting the white Israelis.

    Or else it looked like merely a commitment to world socialism; the Soviet Union and China supported the Arabs against the imperialist tools, the Israelis.

    But many Jewish leaders regarded the anti-Zionist stances of groups like the Panthers as a veiled American-brand anti-Semitism, tied up with such less theoretical matters as extortion, robbery and mayhem by blacks against Jews in ghetto areas.

    They cited things like the August 30, 1969, issue of Black Panther, which carried an article entitled “Zionism (Kosher Nationalism) + Imperialism = Fascism” and spoke of “the fascist pigs.”

    The June, 1967, issue of another Panther publication, Black Power, had carried a poem entitled “Jew-Land,” which said:

    Jew-Land, On a summer afternoon, Really, Couldn’t kill the Jews too soon,
    Now dig. The Jews have stolen our bread
    Their filthy women tricked our men into bed
    So I won’t rest until the Jews are dead . . .
    In Jew-Land, Don’t be a Tom on Israel’s side
    Really, Cause that’s where Christ was crucified. ”

    And than, it took them forever to cultivate ” first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy”, but yet….

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  48. dearieme says:

    “Why Are European Jews to the Right of American Jews?” I suspect that it’s a special case of a feature I have deduced from reading your blog. Our Jews tend to be better people than yours. Unfortunately I can see us losing our Jews, chased out by Musulmen.

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  49. Sean says:
    @Simon in London
    I agree with Irish Paleo that the Jewish viewpoint in Europe is very different, aside from a few childless lefties in the metropolitan capitals - I had never met a British Jew with "American" attitudes until a few years ago, and it was quite a shock. But I can't really see US Jews "losing control of the media", as Silverman put it - even if the non-white Democratic base is very anti-Jewish, there is no force capable of displacing them. The Chinese might one day earn more money, but they are not media people. Jews don't control the Narrative in Europe simply because there are not enough Jews here. The people who do control the narrative in 'Britain' (ie London) are not Muslims, they are upper middle class Lefty WASPS. Likewise in Ireland it's the WANCS - White Anglo-Norman Catholics. >:D

    The European left lives in Mickey Mouse countries and spend much of its time complaining about American (pro Israel) actions in the middle East. European Jews react against that.

    The key issue for organised American Jewry is Israel. Trump was initially equivocal, but it seems he is going to continue with the two state solution, which is official (and bipartisan) US policy. Israel as a Jewish state is doomed, unless it withdraws from the west bank or expels the Palestinians from the occupied territories. American Jews individually deeply resent white gentiles being a majority in the West.

    Individually Jews want immigration to displace the white gentiles, but they also want America to preserve Israel as a Jewish state. These are mutually incompatible objectives, and so the American Jews will go right or left depending on whether Jewish group interests (organisation) or personal agrandisment (individual feelings) dominate the lives of Jews in the future .

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    The key issue for organised American Jewry is Israel.

    You've confused AIPAC with American Jewry in general. American Jews will cast 80% of their ballots for Barack Obama even though he's a chum of Rashid Khalidi and despises Benjamin Netanyahu and sent palettes of cash to Iran. The key project for J-Street was drumming up favorable publicity for BO. The key project for the ADL under Abraham Foxman was sliming people it fancied were subcultural enemies (e.g. the late Pope Pius). As for rank-and-file Jews, affection for Israel is pretty abstract. Less than 1% of Israel's Jewish population arrived there from the United States. Participants on these boards are fixated on clan Podhoretz without seeming to realize that the investment in Israel they have is quite unusual among American Jews.


    Israel as a Jewish state is doomed, unless it withdraws from the west bank or expels the Palestinians from the occupied territories. American Jews individually deeply resent white gentiles being a majority in the West.

    It isn't, and that's what has Israel's detractors in a snit. Jewish Israel's fertility is satisfactory and now in striking distance of Arab fertility in surrounding territories. Israel has never incorporated the West Bank or Gaza into Israel proper. All of Gaza's population and most of the West Bank's are now outside of Israel's security patrols and civil administration, something people who complain about 'the occupation' do not acknowledge.

    , @Anonymouse
    Simon in London writes "American Jews individually deeply resent white gentiles being a majority in the West.

    Individually Jews want immigration to displace the white gentiles, . . ."

    A classic case of projection. Simon deeply resents Jews. American jews intermarriage rate is 58%. So Simon is talking out his posterior.
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  50. What baffles me about Jews is there is more naked anti-semitism on the left with figures like Jeremy Corbyn in UK and Linda Sarsour in the US. And many right wing figures like Donald Trump or even Ted Cruz are completely friendly to Jews. Yet, many prominent Jews seem determined to reverse the perception from the reality and turn pro-Jewish right wing figures into anti-semitic monsters and turn these anti-semitic left wing monsters into benevolent progressives.

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    Yet, many prominent Jews seem determined to reverse the perception from the reality and turn pro-Jewish right wing figures into anti-semitic monsters and turn these anti-semitic left wing monsters into benevolent progressives.

    Evangelicals (eg Cruz) tend to have an abstract affection for Jews and Israel that isn't reciprocated. Survey research done on Jewish populations in the U.S. indicates that about 2/3 of the Jewish population is antagonistic by default to the evangelical population.

    Re Trump, he has turned public discussion in this country on its head. You've had this fan dance going on for about 40 years now wherein the media manufacture s***storms out of stray remarks by Republican pols and the Republican pol responds with self-abasement. (One of the earlier examples was when Dr. Earl Butz, then Secretary of Agriculture, was compelled to resign office for making vulgar remarks in private conversation). Trump says outre things, refuses to offer ritual apologies, and is not injured by this. This has been very emotionally disorienting for the media and partisan Democrats, and is conceived of by them as very threatening.
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  51. Fredrik says:
    @Art Deco
    Whether or not Arabs are stupid and lazy, they're outnumbered by 13 to 1 in France and (prior to the Merkel invitation) by larger margins elsewhere. Fertility rates in Britain and France are adequate. If the governments in both loci get off their duffs and fix the immigration regime, any problems coming from the Muslim minority will be contained.

    Have you checked birth rates by race?

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    The French census enumerators do not collect that data. The source of French immigrants is the Maghreb, wherein people reproduce at just above the replacement rate. In the U.S., whites, orientals and East Indians, and tribal-roll Indians have a tfr of 1.8. Blacks have a tfr of 2.1. Hispanics have a high tfr (3.9), but their source countries have rates near replacement level. My wage would be that high fertility among Hispanics lasts one generation.
    , @Art Deco
    Pew collects data on confession in France. I'm not sure if they collect fertility data broken down by confession.
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  52. Beene says:

    “(or at least the popular vote including fraudulent votes)”

    Donald Trump may lead to the decrease of the Latino population in the U.S., but he is certainly contributing to the increase of the mentally retarded population.

    I wish some of those fraudulent voters would leave California and move over to Florida, Arizona, Michigan, etc., where their fraudulent voting would make a difference.

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  53. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    It is my understanding that some of the land in the UK is still owned by the military commanders that won the war in 1066. Is that true in the Republic of
    ireland as well.. Have the Norman conquerors of Ireland stayed Catholic and kept their ownership of the land

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  54. The rise of Trump surprised those of us familiar with European politics a lot less than it did Americans with an insular worldview.

    Oh really? Is that why Paddy Power paid off on a Hillary win before the election had even taken place? (Gotta love that legendary Irish financial acumen). Or why all of the press coverage in European papers leading up to Nov. 8 could basically be filed under “this election is a lock?” Truth is, Trump’s victory stunned them way more than it did for “insular” Americans like myself, as I could see with my own eyes that the Clinton/Kaine storefront one block from my home was a ghost town with no foot traffic or enthusiasm.

    Thanks for the put-down however. If there’s one thing the world loves it’s a non-insular Paddy shooting his mouth off.

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    They paid off on the bet because it was really cheap advertising.
    , @Peter Johnson
    Paddy Power (an Irish betting firm) paid off some Hilary-Trump election bets before the election as a publicity stunt. They guessed (correctly) that it would get them tons of free publicity in the MSM. It worked brilliantly as a publicity stunt. The lost money by the firm was a trivial advertising expense. Paddy Power are the world's experts on clever publicity stunts to get free publicity.
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  55. The ruling class of Britain is controlled by Muslims, Jews and White British Globalizers. The Muslims, Jews and White British Globalizers all push nation-wrecking mass immigration.

    Prime Minister Theresa May, whilst she was Home Secretary, oversaw the continuation of Tony Blair’s mass immigration policy. 1997 saw the British Empire, such as it was, hand over Hong Kong to the Communist Chinese. 1997 also saw the mass immigration invasion into the UK jump started by Tony Blair.

    British Prime Minister Theresa May Is A Globalizer:

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  56. @Anon
    First of all, there just aren't many Jews in Europe. There are more in New York alone than in Britain, France and Italy combined. We can blame Hitler for this. He is probably also responsible for the political differences between European and American Jews.

    In the 1930s and 40s, European Jews who fled Europe for other places, including the U.S., were disproportionately left-wing rather than right-wing because they understood, right from the start, the ideological threat of Nazism. These people are the ancestors of modern American Jews.

    Conservative/religious Jews OTOH just thought Hitler was another Kaiser and that being ruled by Nazis was going to be like being ruled by WWI-era Germans. They didn't attempt to flee and were killed in large numbers. The survivors were the ancestors of modern European Jews.

    In the 1930s and 40s, European Jews who fled Europe for other places, including the U.S., were disproportionately left-wing rather than right-wing because they understood, right from the start, the ideological threat of Nazism. These people are the ancestors of modern American Jews.

    I’d bet that most American Jews are descended from Russian empire emigres at the turn of the 20th century. There are some Hasidic sects that left after WW2 and have now turned parts of Brooklyn into 19th-century-looking burgs. Those neighborhoods are the only spots of red in a largely-blue NYC 2016 electoral map.

    Story: in WW1, according to Ron Chernow writing about the house of Morgan, the WASP banks were strongly aligned with the U.K., largely having to do with Junius Morgan, JP’s father, having made the family fortune by running a bank in the City. The Jewish banks were largely pro-German, having funded German industry before the war. When Woodrow Wilson declared neutrality, JP Morgan tried to syndicate a loan for non-armaments. KUhn, Loeb would not go along with it, as the Jewish head of the bank would have nothing to do with any loans that might benefit Tsarist Russia.

    Germany, by replacing the Tsar’s replacement Kerensky with Lenin thus secured unanimity in the NY financial scene for financial support of the Allied Powers.

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  57. Art Deco says:
    @Nico
    European Jews are in my view only to the "right" of American Jews to the extent that the classic economic liberalism adopted by most postwar right-wing parties is often confused with "right-wing ideology" nowadays, and as the capitalists increasingly abandon the traditionalists (see the SJW tendencies of American corporations and the French business world's enthusiasm for Macron and his pragmatic social-liberalism) I predict Jews will quickly abandon European right-wing parties as well. Conservatism, Inc. buzzwords notwithstanding, Marxian socialism was never a strong animating force in the Democratic Party. Thus when Jews abandoned Marxism, they had to abandon the overtly socialist left-wing parties in Europe but there was no need to jump ship on the other side of the pond, especially after Bill Clinton destroyed what was left of the syndicalist blue-collar wing of the Democratic Party.

    especially after Bill Clinton destroyed what was left of the syndicalist blue-collar wing of the Democratic Party.

    Clinton didn’t destroy ‘the syndicalist blue collar wing’. He was less deferential to the conventional unions than was Walter Mondale, but so was every other man who has placed well in presidential nominating derbies in the last 4 decades (with the possible exceptions of Ted Kennedy and Tom Harkin). Union penetration of private sector employment was at its peak in 1955. It’s declined as the ratio of service workers to industrial workers in the economy has grown. The ratio of union to non-union employees in the private sector in 1955 was about 1:2. By 1999, it was 1:10. The unions did capture ever larger shares of public sector employees and (if I’m not mistaken) public employees now make up half of all union membership). I think you’d have to scrounge to find a Democratic pol outside the South who is content to not be in the NEAs good books.

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    Sure. What I meant was that Bill Clinton was the last Democratic president to hold significant appeal to the traditional white working-class base, but he lost it pretty early on in his first term, as the 1994 midterm elections handily demonstrated. (If Clinton nonetheless managed re-election in 1996, he owed his victory to soccer moms and other such squeamish suburbanites in the wake of the OK City bombing.)

    The authors of The Emerging Democratic Majority announced a new Rainbow Coalition predicated on among other things the return of white blue-collar workers to the Democratic Party, but the reality is that the Obama Democrats owed their success more to the white working classes dropping out of the voting booth than to these latter jumping ship.

    The major difference from Europe is that over here, labor unions still have the traditional social-democratic Workers' International parties to flock to. Thus Macron has zero appeal to working-class voters. In the U.S. they really have no choice but to grin and bear the social-liberal tendencies of the modern Democratic Party, same as in the U.K. during the Blair years. In the end, however, the ascendency of Corbyn made it clear that the social-liberalism of New Labour was a mere blip in history. Will the Democratic Party follow a similar course? I doubt it, but strange things have happened.
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  58. Curle says:
    @Art Deco
    In the 1930s and 40s, European Jews who fled Europe for other places, including the U.S., were disproportionately left-wing rather than right-wing because they understood, right from the start, the ideological threat of Nazism. These people are the ancestors of modern American Jews.

    The bulk of American Jewry is descended of Russian and Hapsburg Jews who migrated between 1890 and 1924. There's a small older strand who came from the German states between 1840 and 1890.

    There’s an even older Sephardic strand that made it to the South. The first male white child born in the Georgia colony was a Jew, Philip (Uri) Minis on July 11, 1734.

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    Portuguese, I think. The strand was very small and (if I'm not mistaken) melted into the surrounding society with scant traces leftover.
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  59. As Kennerly noticed in his seminal thoughtcrime from 47 years ago :

    “…One of the ironies of the history of the Jews in America was that their long championship of black civil liberties had begun to backfire so badly in the late 1960s.

    As Seymour Lipset has put it, “The integrationist movement was largely an alliance between Negroes and Jews (who, to a considerable extent, actually dominated it).

    Many of the interracial civil-rights organizations have been led and financed by whites, and the majority of their white members have been Jews.

    Insofar as a Negro effort emerged to break loose from involvement with whites, from domination of the civil-rights struggle by white liberals, it meant concretely a break with Jews, for they were the whites who were active in these movements.

    The Black Nationalist leadership had to push whites (Jews) ‘out of the way,’ and to stop white (Jewish) ‘interference’ in order to get whites (Jews) ‘off their backs.’”

    Meanwhile, Black Power groups such as SNCC and the Black Panthers were voicing support for the Arabs against Israel.

    This sometimes looked like a mere matter of black nationalism; after all, Egypt was a part of Africa, and black nationalist literature sometimes seemed to identify the Arabs as blacks fighting the white Israelis.

    Or else it looked like merely a commitment to world socialism; the Soviet Union and China supported the Arabs against the imperialist tools, the Israelis.

    But many Jewish leaders regarded the anti-Zionist stances of groups like the Panthers as a veiled American-brand anti-Semitism, tied up with such less theoretical matters as extortion, robbery and mayhem by blacks against Jews in ghetto areas.

    They cited things like the August 30, 1969, issue of Black Panther, which carried an article entitled “Zionism (Kosher Nationalism) + Imperialism = Fascism” and spoke of “the fascist pigs.”

    The June, 1967, issue of another Panther publication, Black Power, had carried a poem entitled “Jew-Land,” which said:

    Jew-Land, On a summer afternoon, Really, Couldn’t kill the Jews too soon,
    Now dig. The Jews have stolen our bread
    Their filthy women tricked our men into bed
    So I won’t rest until the Jews are dead . . .
    In Jew-Land, Don’t be a Tom on Israel’s side
    Really, Cause that’s where Christ was crucified.

    But in the most literate circles of the New Left—well, the Panthers’ pronouncements on foreign affairs couldn’t be taken too seriously.

    Ideologically, they were still feeling their way around.

    To be a UJA Zionist about the whole thing was to be old-fashioned, middle-class middle-aged, suburban, Oceanside-Cedarhurstian, in an age when the youth of the New Left had re-programmed the whole circuitry of Left opposition to oppression.

    The main thing was that the Panthers were the legitimate vanguard of the black struggle for liberation—among the culturati whom Leonard Bernstein could be expected to know and respect, this was not a point of debate, it was an axiom.

    The chief theoretical organ of Radical Chic, The New York Review of Books, regularly cast Huey Newton and Eldridge Cleaver as the Simón Bolívar and José Martí of the black ghettos. ”

    And than, it took them forever to dig up and cultivate ” first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy”, yet…bored identity will crimestop himself right here.

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  60. Art Deco says:
    @Fredrik
    Have you checked birth rates by race?

    The French census enumerators do not collect that data. The source of French immigrants is the Maghreb, wherein people reproduce at just above the replacement rate. In the U.S., whites, orientals and East Indians, and tribal-roll Indians have a tfr of 1.8. Blacks have a tfr of 2.1. Hispanics have a high tfr (3.9), but their source countries have rates near replacement level. My wage would be that high fertility among Hispanics lasts one generation.

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    What do you think of the technique of using sickle cell screening rates as a proxy for race?
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/le-monde-sickle-cell-disease-the-genetic-disease-that-excites-the-extreme-right/
    , @notanon

    The source of French immigrants is the Maghreb, wherein people reproduce at just above the replacement rate.
     
    this is bogus cos

    1) welfare
    2) immigrants are disproportionately in the 18-30 age group
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  61. Art Deco says:
    @Fredrik
    Have you checked birth rates by race?

    Pew collects data on confession in France. I’m not sure if they collect fertility data broken down by confession.

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  62. Art Deco says:
    @Curle
    There's an even older Sephardic strand that made it to the South. The first male white child born in the Georgia colony was a Jew, Philip (Uri) Minis on July 11, 1734.

    Portuguese, I think. The strand was very small and (if I’m not mistaken) melted into the surrounding society with scant traces leftover.

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  63. Sam says:

    I agree almost entirely with Irish Paleo and in particular that Europeans should have been less surprised. For me it was simply a matter of applying European tendencies to America. That is why I thought that the primaries were the key and that the general election would be easier. That is what I thought based on Trump’s platform. However in practice the primary was easier and turns out the all dominant Republican establishment didn’t have all the tricks up the sleeve that outsides on the right always assumed. In addition I still think the nationalist platform should have made it an easier win. Unfortunately I was wrong in assuming a platform alone wins. The person carrying is at least 50% of the ticket and Trump was the opposite of smooth so he set of the spidey senses of too many in the intelligensia who in turn amplified the hysteria.

    Where I disagree is on the last point. I suspect Jews and fellow travellers will become centrist rather than Republicans or conservatives or nationalists per se. Using media power to scold the left’s embarrassing outbursts from time to time. By the sheer number of muslims and jews in America you can’t get a European situation. Also it is not clear whether or not the effect would be positive even if the flow did start going towards the right. Just as likely that Republicans open up the doors to centrist and respectable jews with neocons exalting in finally having opened the floodgates. This will happen at the expense of nativists. The only useful issue will be on the question of muslim immigration. On the other hand I can imagine some muslim anti-semitic incident in the future which in turn leads the leftist coalition into a defensive posture. In response the question might arise of how anti-semitism arose with polls showing third immigration attitudes being hostile. At that point I can see Jews turning broadly third world immigration.

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  64. bjdubbs says:

    Steve should have titled this “Anti-semitism on the rise” because when is anti-semitism not on the rise? Have you ever seen the headline “Anti-semitism on the decline”? There are 86000 results for “rising anti-semitism” and 673 results for “declining anti-semitism.”

    But maybe it’s not that the left will turn against Jews but that US Jews will turn against Israel.

    “According to the research, in 2010, 84% of US Jewish college students leaned toward the Israeli side of the conflict with the Palestinians. But in 2016, only 57% did, believing Israel falls short with values such as human rights, tolerance and diversity.”

    http://www.jpost.com/American-Politics/Israel-dramatically-losing-support-among-Jewish-college-students-in-US-497605

    US Jews are highly assimilated. It’s hard to name many Jews under forty who aren’t a) half Jewish or b) married to a non-Jew. Jewish identity will disappear long before anti-semitism is on the rise, that’s my prediction. The JPod generation is disappearing and the next generation won’t be nearly as annoying.

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  65. Art Deco says:
    @Massimo Heitor
    What baffles me about Jews is there is more naked anti-semitism on the left with figures like Jeremy Corbyn in UK and Linda Sarsour in the US. And many right wing figures like Donald Trump or even Ted Cruz are completely friendly to Jews. Yet, many prominent Jews seem determined to reverse the perception from the reality and turn pro-Jewish right wing figures into anti-semitic monsters and turn these anti-semitic left wing monsters into benevolent progressives.

    Yet, many prominent Jews seem determined to reverse the perception from the reality and turn pro-Jewish right wing figures into anti-semitic monsters and turn these anti-semitic left wing monsters into benevolent progressives.

    Evangelicals (eg Cruz) tend to have an abstract affection for Jews and Israel that isn’t reciprocated. Survey research done on Jewish populations in the U.S. indicates that about 2/3 of the Jewish population is antagonistic by default to the evangelical population.

    Re Trump, he has turned public discussion in this country on its head. You’ve had this fan dance going on for about 40 years now wherein the media manufacture s***storms out of stray remarks by Republican pols and the Republican pol responds with self-abasement. (One of the earlier examples was when Dr. Earl Butz, then Secretary of Agriculture, was compelled to resign office for making vulgar remarks in private conversation). Trump says outre things, refuses to offer ritual apologies, and is not injured by this. This has been very emotionally disorienting for the media and partisan Democrats, and is conceived of by them as very threatening.

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    Evangelicals (eg Cruz) tend to have an abstract affection for Jews and Israel that isn’t reciprocated.
     
    It's not abstract. The existence of Israel is the vindication of the theology of Sola Scriptura that developed post 1800 in the US.
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  66. I think Irish Paleo is right on the future for Jews in America.

    Today, many American Jews like to pretend that they somehow escape “white privilege”.

    But the day will come when the view will be: A Jew is like any other white, only more so.

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  67. @IHTG
    Underremarked phenomenon: Despite their great cultural power, Jews everywhere outside North America are more similar to Israeli Jews than to American Jews. French Jewry is basically an outgrowth of Israel. Russian Jewry, which was once its own culture, has been absorbed into Israel and even the ones who went to America voted Trump. The increasingly Orthodox Jews of the UK are probably somewhere in the middle.

    The Russian jews who came to America voted Trump? Do we actually have numbers? How’d Brighton Beach vote? The Russian jews I can think of off-hand–Julia Ioffe, Cathy Young, Biana Golodryga–don’t strike me as terribly pro-Trump or pro-any of the policies he advocates with regard to immigration.

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    Brighton Beach - 59.35% Trump, 38.08% Clinton.

    https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/numbers/clinton-trump-president-vice-president-every-neighborhood-map-election-results-voting-general-primary-nyc

    , @Dmitry134564
    The Russian Jews in America are very right-wing. This is evident if you spend five seconds with them, or even on Russian Jewish social media pages such as on facebook. Claiming Julia Ioffe as a representative of the politics of Russian Jews in the US, would be like claiming Ayaan Hirsi Ali as representative of the politics of Muslim Americans.
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  68. It’s not quite accurate to say Jews are “honorary non-Whites” in the USA.

    It would be more accurate to say that lefty Jews are “honorary non-Whites” in the USA among those lefty White people who think non-white == cool (especially those Jews themselves).

    Blacks in the USA not only think Jews are White. They think Jews are the most White.

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  69. Achilles says:

    So, never having had a nationalist political movement, in one fell swoop, America ended up passing Europe out and going straight to a nationalist president.

    IP misunderstands nationalism in the US. The US was always naturally nationalistic, and indeed Americans have been ridiculed and belittled for generations by Europeans for what they regard as excessive patriotism, flag-waving and attachment to nation.

    We came by our globalism in a fit of absence of mind. The 1965 change in our immigration laws to open the borders to third world populations was obtained by Jewish interest groups and the far left, sold with deception and was not based on popular support.

    The door to our present globalism was opened by the ascendance of descendants of the wave of Eastern Europe Jews in the media. The agenda of this socially radical and anti-American group became the agenda of the national media, and their dominance was cemented with their victory over Nixon and the election of the Watergate Congress and then Carter.

    The basic nationalism of the American people re-emerged with the victory of Ronald Reagan, who was loathed by the national (Jewish) media. The globalist George H.W. Bush was not elected as such, but rather on Reagan’s coattails. But Bush and his backers were enthusiastic about cheap immigrant labor and new trade arrangements that incentivized industry to access American markets from cheaper locations abroad rather than domestically. Clinton came out of the New Left but posed as a centrist and embraced globalism as politically advantageous to Democrats. Labor unions that had not theretofore been captured by the hard left moved from nationalistically-sympathetic leaders concerned narrowly with protecting American workers to control by left-wing ideologues open to globalism.

    The election of George W. Bush was not intended by the American people as a vote for globalism, but that’s what we got. The deleterious economic effects on the native-born American middle and working classes of out-of-control cheap-labor immigration and offshoring production during Bush-Obama was disguised by the real estate bubble and then by massive government debt and money creation.

    The victory of Trump signaled not the rise of a new European-style nationalist party, but rather a desperate attempt by the American people to remove the death grip of globalists on American policy and return it to government responsive to the interests of the native-born middle and working classes.

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  70. AM says:
    @27 year old
    >What will more likely happen is Arabs forcing whites to convert,


    This reminds me of a comment I read on iSteve a while back about the true nightmare scenario for Europe: an "integrated" Islamic Germany. Muslims have a tremendous advantage in their ideology (basically, rape and subjugate everyone), but they've been held back by their low IQ, laziness a general worthlessness of their genes. But if the migrants successfully "integrate" (which means - interbreed) with Germans, we could see Islamic ideology running on efficient high IQ German hardware. Which, well, best not to think about.

    with Germans, we could see Islamic ideology running on efficient high IQ German hardware. Which, well, best not to think about.

    Umm..we’ve already seen this. It was called WWII and the Holocaust. And in fact, what is happening right now. German culture is facing a “Red Star” stage before an implosion.

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  71. IHTG says:
    @Nico

    While Jews in America earn like Episcopalians and vote like Puerto Ricans, Jews in Europe are, if anything, even more politically conservative than their earnings would suggest (and have become more so even as high earners have been moving gradually leftwards).
     
    This is changing somewhat as the energies of the political left in Europe turn away from socialism (which has never been really big on the American political left, NDLR) and towards social-liberalism, particularly in France. The appeal to Jews in the West of a Cartesian "party of reason" claiming pragmatism and progressivism while cynically avoiding subjects of existential importance to the nation's historically Christian ethnic majority is as intuitive as it is real.

    Sarkozy was a big hit among French Jewry, but they almost certainly preferred Macron to Fillon (I am at this time unable to find exact numbers for the first round, but they seem to have gone massively for Macron over Le Pen in the second). The Jewish preference for the Tories over the LibDems in the U.K. is probably a function of the dearth of dynamism and charisma in the latter and the relative blandness of the Tory platform feels "safe."

    On the whole I disagree with Irish Paleo's analysis (I usually agree with him full-on). It is a mistake to overestimate the role of fear of the increasingly Muslim voting base of the left (socialist and social-liberal confounded) of driving European Jews rightward. Zionism is far less often the target of ire of the Islamic Fifth Column in Europe than is the hated racist white oppressor Crusader, and notwithstanding Marine Le Pen's efforts to smooch the behind of anything non-white, non-Christian and non-European that she thinks might eventually support the FN, her party has not made any gains worth mentioning among Israelites.

    but they almost certainly preferred Macron to Fillon

    No.

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  72. AM says:
    @Art Deco
    Yet, many prominent Jews seem determined to reverse the perception from the reality and turn pro-Jewish right wing figures into anti-semitic monsters and turn these anti-semitic left wing monsters into benevolent progressives.

    Evangelicals (eg Cruz) tend to have an abstract affection for Jews and Israel that isn't reciprocated. Survey research done on Jewish populations in the U.S. indicates that about 2/3 of the Jewish population is antagonistic by default to the evangelical population.

    Re Trump, he has turned public discussion in this country on its head. You've had this fan dance going on for about 40 years now wherein the media manufacture s***storms out of stray remarks by Republican pols and the Republican pol responds with self-abasement. (One of the earlier examples was when Dr. Earl Butz, then Secretary of Agriculture, was compelled to resign office for making vulgar remarks in private conversation). Trump says outre things, refuses to offer ritual apologies, and is not injured by this. This has been very emotionally disorienting for the media and partisan Democrats, and is conceived of by them as very threatening.

    Evangelicals (eg Cruz) tend to have an abstract affection for Jews and Israel that isn’t reciprocated.

    It’s not abstract. The existence of Israel is the vindication of the theology of Sola Scriptura that developed post 1800 in the US.

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  73. Art Deco says:
    @Sean
    The European left lives in Mickey Mouse countries and spend much of its time complaining about American (pro Israel) actions in the middle East. European Jews react against that.

    The key issue for organised American Jewry is Israel. Trump was initially equivocal, but it seems he is going to continue with the two state solution, which is official (and bipartisan) US policy. Israel as a Jewish state is doomed, unless it withdraws from the west bank or expels the Palestinians from the occupied territories. American Jews individually deeply resent white gentiles being a majority in the West.

    Individually Jews want immigration to displace the white gentiles, but they also want America to preserve Israel as a Jewish state. These are mutually incompatible objectives, and so the American Jews will go right or left depending on whether Jewish group interests (organisation) or personal agrandisment (individual feelings) dominate the lives of Jews in the future .

    The key issue for organised American Jewry is Israel.

    You’ve confused AIPAC with American Jewry in general. American Jews will cast 80% of their ballots for Barack Obama even though he’s a chum of Rashid Khalidi and despises Benjamin Netanyahu and sent palettes of cash to Iran. The key project for J-Street was drumming up favorable publicity for BO. The key project for the ADL under Abraham Foxman was sliming people it fancied were subcultural enemies (e.g. the late Pope Pius). As for rank-and-file Jews, affection for Israel is pretty abstract. Less than 1% of Israel’s Jewish population arrived there from the United States. Participants on these boards are fixated on clan Podhoretz without seeming to realize that the investment in Israel they have is quite unusual among American Jews.

    Israel as a Jewish state is doomed, unless it withdraws from the west bank or expels the Palestinians from the occupied territories. American Jews individually deeply resent white gentiles being a majority in the West.

    It isn’t, and that’s what has Israel’s detractors in a snit. Jewish Israel’s fertility is satisfactory and now in striking distance of Arab fertility in surrounding territories. Israel has never incorporated the West Bank or Gaza into Israel proper. All of Gaza’s population and most of the West Bank’s are now outside of Israel’s security patrols and civil administration, something people who complain about ‘the occupation’ do not acknowledge.

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    American Jews can only attain high status within their community by espousing the cause of Israel. The Podhoretzs know how to be Making It. Like you, Ben " heartening news of an almost transcendent quality" Wattenberg claimed that Israeli fertility meant Israel had nothing much to fear, but Ehud Barak disagreed with him, and you.

    “As long as in this territory west of the Jordan River there is only one political entity called Israel, it is going to be either non-Jewish or non-democratic,” observed former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak. “If this bloc of millions of ­Palestinians cannot vote, that will be an apartheid state
     
    But since he was PM there have been so many settlements built that Gideon Levy wrote in Haaretz

    ...the two-state solution “is already dead” ... “most people know the truth but refuse to admit it. They know that the number of settlers has reached a critical mass. They know that no party in Israel will ever evacuate them. And without all of them being evacuated – and this, too, is something they know – there is no viable Palestinian state. They know that settler Israel never intended to implement the two-state solution. The fact is that all Israeli governments – all of them – continued the settlement enterprise
     
    The US mandarins probably decided to let the Israelis build settlements in the knowledge it would make a two state solution untenable, and in my opinion this was probably a deliberate ploy on the part of the US so as to confront Israel at a future date with the hard either or. In other words the US has been giving Israel enough rope . But there is a third choice apart from Barak's non Jewish or apartheid state: population transfer.

    The US foreign policy brains trust doesn't think it possible that the Israelis would dare kick the occupied territories' Arabs over the river, but I think when pushed into a corner (and they will be eventually) Israel will expel the Palestinians--probably under cover of a war taking in Jordan.

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  74. @Tiny Duck
    The victim mentality here is amusing and sbaffling. Leonard Pitts has pointed out the absurdity of white men complaining about oppression. As he says whites enjoy advantages in housing health and employment. What you guys are scared of is a level playing field

    The future will be equal. Hisrtiry will be told that better reflects that white men never invented anything. Your daughters will bear Childten of olir and your sons will be muslins

    Herstory, not history! :D

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  75. This latest line up of Coalition of the Pleonastic Fringes PPL™ is really tempting bored identity to promptly apply for honorary membership :

    The Force of KAmau-KAmauing is strong with this UC Laboratory Schools alumnus.

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  76. One advantage of the new light-speed detachment our leadership class has taken from the great unwashed is that we see clearly the distinction between political vision of leaders and those of the led. Jewish leaders see their group as oppressed non-white; Jews in general, as far as the ones I know, consider themselves white. This is exactly the same viewpoint that non-whites have: to maintain cash flow and connections to political influence, non-white leaders acquiesce in fantasy that Jews are one of them – non-white; non-whites on the street see Jews just as more honkies to hate.

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  77. Art Deco says:
    @Simon in London
    I agree with Irish Paleo that the Jewish viewpoint in Europe is very different, aside from a few childless lefties in the metropolitan capitals - I had never met a British Jew with "American" attitudes until a few years ago, and it was quite a shock. But I can't really see US Jews "losing control of the media", as Silverman put it - even if the non-white Democratic base is very anti-Jewish, there is no force capable of displacing them. The Chinese might one day earn more money, but they are not media people. Jews don't control the Narrative in Europe simply because there are not enough Jews here. The people who do control the narrative in 'Britain' (ie London) are not Muslims, they are upper middle class Lefty WASPS. Likewise in Ireland it's the WANCS - White Anglo-Norman Catholics. >:D

    But I can’t really see US Jews “losing control of the media”, as Silverman put it

    The position in American media and entertainment of corporations owned and / or managed by Jews was at its peak around about 1945. They’ve lost most of what they ever had. (And a number of prominent Jews in media were quite assimilationist in their conduct and outlook – Eugene Meyer, Wm. Paley, Grant Tinker, and clan Sulzberger to name a few).

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    The position in American media and entertainment of corporations owned and / or managed by Jews was at its peak around about 1945. They’ve lost most of what they ever had.
     
    All the "man" and "stein" names in every roll of TV or movie credits is an argument against this proposition.
    , @Carneades
    Horse shit.

    https://pics.me.me/presid-t-tu-david-levy-president-cnn-jef-zucker-chief-22673178.png

    , @notanon
    your lies are so ridiculous they have the opposite effect to the one you intend
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  78. Jimi says:

    Growing up in NYC as a non-white, notion that Jews are honorary people of color seems ridiculous to me.

    All the Jews I know are more pale-skinned than the average white, wealthier than the average white, more bookish than the average white and eat blander than the average white.

    In other words Jews are the whitest of all the white people we know!

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    yeah - a lot of them see themselves as non-white and a lot of nationalists see them as non-white (or half white) but everyone else sees them as white

    a lot of the videos of people getting beat up by antifa are confused looking Jewish guys
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  79. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    An 87 year old woman in Germany was just sentenced to 10 months in prison for holocaust denial.

    Why would the European elite support criminalizing such thoughts if they did not like the Jews?

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    Why would the European elite support criminalizing such thoughts if they did not like the Jews?

    Here's a hypothesis:


    1. The German court system is a bureaucratic machine that doesn't have much of a mind, rather like The Megara in Dr. Who.

    2. What they do not like is political opposition. The laws on 'holocaust denial' are a wedge to criminalize political opinion at a variance with elite consensus ("European values").
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  80. It is possible to have a superb SWOT analysis and still be on the board of AT&T in 1998 and simply fail to apprehend the power of idea, in that case the idea that propelled Nokia and Ericcson and later Apple and the rest.

    We still have an idea: cross-polar commitment to the Constitution. Left: see antifa and commit to Constitution. Right, see Neo-Nazis and don’t be meally mouthed: they are the opposite of the Constitution…yes, your WASPy ancestors thought worth dying on occasion to crush that sheet. More than once.

    Left and right: look, an example we can agree on! A nurse is arrested preventing a rogue police officer from doing a blood draw without a warrant: that is about idea, it is about the Constitution. Race got nothing to do with it.

    Before we go Full Tribal, lets be sure we give that some thought. It was hard to win, it will be harder to win back.

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  81. res says:
    @Art Deco
    The French census enumerators do not collect that data. The source of French immigrants is the Maghreb, wherein people reproduce at just above the replacement rate. In the U.S., whites, orientals and East Indians, and tribal-roll Indians have a tfr of 1.8. Blacks have a tfr of 2.1. Hispanics have a high tfr (3.9), but their source countries have rates near replacement level. My wage would be that high fertility among Hispanics lasts one generation.

    What do you think of the technique of using sickle cell screening rates as a proxy for race?

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/le-monde-sickle-cell-disease-the-genetic-disease-that-excites-the-extreme-right/

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  82. Dave says:
    @Tiny Duck
    The victim mentality here is amusing and sbaffling. Leonard Pitts has pointed out the absurdity of white men complaining about oppression. As he says whites enjoy advantages in housing health and employment. What you guys are scared of is a level playing field

    The future will be equal. Hisrtiry will be told that better reflects that white men never invented anything. Your daughters will bear Childten of olir and your sons will be muslins

    You’re getting sloppy, my man. Occasional misspellings help bolster your trolling, but too many in one post undermines your efforts.

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  83. @Simon in London
    "Islamic ideology running on efficient high IQ German hardware."

    Himmler's dream come true at last!

    As Hitler reportedly said (via Albert Speer’s memoir) - “a Muslim Germany would by now already have dominated the world. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?”.

    The 75% Tory vote was methinks heavily influenced by Corbyn’s Palestinian sympathies, so I wouldn’t read too much into it.

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    Something of a historical counterpoint to Hitler's idea, from a book I'm reading now (Robert Crowley's Conquerers):

    In the battle of Chaul in 1508, the Portuguese were up against a Muslim fleet in a river in India, and the Muslims had chained their main ships together, facing out, from the riverbank. The master gunner on the Portuguese flagship was a German, Michel Arnau. He told the head of the expedition, Lourenço de Almeida (the hotheaded 28 year old son of the viceroy, Francisco de Almeida) that if he positioned his carracks in a certain way, he could withdraw all of his men except Arnau and his gunners, and they'd sink all the Muslim ships with cannon fire by nightfall.

    But Almeida turned him down, because it went against his chivalric code and thirst for glory in close quarters combat. Almeida lost his leg, then his life, and then his ship in that battle.
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  84. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @NickG
    Le Pen's Front National is not right wing, it is distinctly left wing leaning. It's also nationalist.

    But it is quite common to have left wing cohabiting with nationalism. The Soviet Union was, as has been Vietnam and China, Burma and others.

    The Soviet Union, and Communism in general, started out as internationalist, not nationalist. Vietnam a different story.

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    The Soviet Union, and Communism in general, started out as internationalist, not nationalist.
     
    Internationalist with heartfelt paeans to Mother Russia. And of course famously the Soviet Communist party designated the fight against their erstwhile Nazi allies in divvying up Poland - 'The Great Patriotic War'.

    Of course neo Marxists have morphed back to post nation stage globalist internationalism and traded in Marx's proletariat for social justice and identity politics.
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  85. Wally says:
    @European-American
    Nice analysis.

    Small correction:

    The only substantial slave-descended black populations in Europe are the Afro-Caribbeans in the UK
     
    France's black population from Martinique and Guadeloupe is also sizeable. They have been French for a long time, but, with a few exceptions, they are not terribly well integrated in metropolitan France, less so than US blacks.

    IOW, they are not French, nor will they ever be.

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  86. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer


    I think Irish Paleo is right on the future for Jews in America.

    No, file his thesis under REAL SOON NOW bogus predictions.

    The point of his spiel is to make us feel warm and fuzzy about a non-existent future where US Jews finally cease their long Bolshevik revolution 2.0.

    Sure, these hostile aliens have completely transmogrified America and made life much, much more difficult for whites but they’re going to see the error of their ways REAL SOON NOW so just relax rednecks, relax WASPs, relax heartlanders, relax white catholics, just relax. Everything’s gonna be OK!

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  87. @Tiny Duck
    The victim mentality here is amusing and sbaffling. Leonard Pitts has pointed out the absurdity of white men complaining about oppression. As he says whites enjoy advantages in housing health and employment. What you guys are scared of is a level playing field

    The future will be equal. Hisrtiry will be told that better reflects that white men never invented anything. Your daughters will bear Childten of olir and your sons will be muslins

    “Your daughters will bear Childten of olir and your sons will be muslins”

    LOL

    You know, in addition to correcting the obvious mispelling of “children”, if you changed one letter in “olir”, to “olor”, you would have a full sentence consisting of genuine words. Yes! you can do it!

    But would it even then make any sense? Let’s review definitions of “olor”:

    1) from Latin, olor, swan

    Well, then they’d still be white children, wouldn’t they, so I surmise this won’t do.

    2) from Catalan, olor, stink, reek

    Stinky kids? It’s tempting.

    3) a Kenyan term, etymology unknown, olor, a piece of cowhide or plastic tied onto a male goat like a skirt. . . used by Kenyan goatherders to prevent bucks from impregnating the female goats during times of drought.

    Why, this is preternaturally perfect. The daughter’s children, of caprine chastity diaper paternity, wind up both genetically and texturally (one might even pun, histologically) related to the muslin sons. All children of the cloth, as it were.
    Genius!

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  88. Thomas says:

    Two issues:

    1) Whatever the broader demographics, American Jews have controlled the broad culture for a half century now, and have used it to give themselves a special, saintly, victim position that transcends any attempt to characterize them as “white.” (I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve seen Jewish torches-and-pitchforks paranoia about Trump from somebody who grew up in the San Fernando Valley or Cheviot Hills accorded some special credence by others because “Jews have seen this all before.”)

    2) It will be a long time, if it ever happens, that America gets the same Muslim proportion of its population that Europe has, and American Muslims are much less likely to be poor and radicalized (if for no other reason that Europe is a much more convenient destination for those people coming from the Middle East and North Africa).

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    American Jews have controlled the broad culture for a half century now,

    This is absurd. It's not merely that there a wide swaths where Jews were never much of a presence, it's that in the places where Jewish proprietors were most prominent (motion pictures and broadcasting) they've lost their position (and you're off by several decades to boot).
    , @Fredrik
    Your black population is much larger than the diverse populations in Europe. Then you have the Hispanics and then the Asians.

    None of these, except Asian girls, particularly care for Jews and/or Israel. If you want to destroy the Democrat party you need to drive a wedge between the ultra-white Jews and the non-whites. We all know that. The discussion is only about the ways to acheive that and the odds...
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  89. Art Deco says:
    @Thomas
    Two issues:

    1) Whatever the broader demographics, American Jews have controlled the broad culture for a half century now, and have used it to give themselves a special, saintly, victim position that transcends any attempt to characterize them as "white." (I've lost count of how many times I've seen Jewish torches-and-pitchforks paranoia about Trump from somebody who grew up in the San Fernando Valley or Cheviot Hills accorded some special credence by others because "Jews have seen this all before.")

    2) It will be a long time, if it ever happens, that America gets the same Muslim proportion of its population that Europe has, and American Muslims are much less likely to be poor and radicalized (if for no other reason that Europe is a much more convenient destination for those people coming from the Middle East and North Africa).

    American Jews have controlled the broad culture for a half century now,

    This is absurd. It’s not merely that there a wide swaths where Jews were never much of a presence, it’s that in the places where Jewish proprietors were most prominent (motion pictures and broadcasting) they’ve lost their position (and you’re off by several decades to boot).

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    Let me know when you think the Palestinians are going to have their moment in Hollywood, and Deir Yassin will get its "Detroit" or "The Promise."
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  90. Thomas says:
    @Art Deco
    American Jews have controlled the broad culture for a half century now,

    This is absurd. It's not merely that there a wide swaths where Jews were never much of a presence, it's that in the places where Jewish proprietors were most prominent (motion pictures and broadcasting) they've lost their position (and you're off by several decades to boot).

    Let me know when you think the Palestinians are going to have their moment in Hollywood, and Deir Yassin will get its “Detroit” or “The Promise.”

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    Israel / Palestinian conflict
    22,000 Palestinian killed
    Indonesia occupation of Papua
    500,000+ Papuans killed

    Israel / Palestinian conflict
    2,000 sq miles in dispute
    Indonesia occupation of Papua
    138,000 sq miles of papua land occupied by indonesia
    , @Art Deco
    Let me know when you think the Palestinians are going to have their moment in Hollywood, and Deir Yassin will get its “Detroit” or “The Promise.”

    Why would the Arab population on the West Bank or the Gaza Strip or living in UNRWA camps in Lebanon have some sort of 'moment'? They're not all that numerous (how many films do you see about Singapore?) and it's a challenge to construct an appealing narrative around them unless you pretty much ignore public affairs. Deir Yassin and the U.S.S. Liberty were wartime episodes which are intensely interesting to people who resent and despise Jews, not to ordinary people.
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  91. Jack D says:
    @NickG
    Le Pen's Front National is not right wing, it is distinctly left wing leaning. It's also nationalist.

    But it is quite common to have left wing cohabiting with nationalism. The Soviet Union was, as has been Vietnam and China, Burma and others.

    But it is quite common to have left wing cohabiting with nationalism

    I just thought of a name for such a party – you could call it “National Socialism”.

    When the left wing takes power it is often internationalist at first but it always seems to drift toward nationalism/totalitarianism as the economy always go south and the need to find enemies to blame increases. After scapegoating and eliminating the “foreign elements” still doesn’t magically bring back prosperity you move on to the next phase where the Revolution eats its own.

    What is amazing is that the same scenario plays out over and over (currently on show in Venezuela) but the locals never seem to connect the dots. Just this week on NPR I heard some lefty journalist on NPR say how much she had liked Chavez at first – he gave hope to the poor, etc. and isn’t a shame how things deteriorated, as if the current situation was not the inevitable destination of the road that Chavez set out on.

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    What is amazing is that the same scenario plays out over and over (currently on show in Venezuela) but the locals never seem to connect the dots. Just this week on NPR I heard some lefty journalist on NPR say how much she had liked Chavez at first – he gave hope to the poor, etc. and isn’t a shame how things deteriorated, as if the current situation was not the inevitable destination of the road that Chavez set out on.
     
    Butterfield Effect?
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  92. Hockamaw says:

    Irish Paleo is truly an outstanding commenter with an incising intellect.

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  93. It’s always Fear of Christian White Flying, or something, duh:

    Michael Medved says that “for most American Jews, the core of their Jewish identity isn’t solidarity with Israel; it’s rejection of Christianity.”

    This observation may help to explain the otherwise puzzling political preferences of the Jewish community explored in Norman Podhoretz’s book.

    Jewish voters don’t embrace candidates based on their support for the state of Israel as much as they passionately oppose candidates based on their identification with Christianity—especially the fervent evangelicalism of the dreaded “Christian Right.” . . .

    Those who seek to liberate the bulk of American Jews from their reflexive and self-defeating liberalism must do more than show the logic of conservative thinking.

    They should recognize that Jews, like all Americans, vote not so much in favor of politicians they admire as they vote against causes and factions they loathe and fear.

    Jews fear the GOP as the “Christian party,” and as the sole basis of Jewish identity involves rejection of Christianity,

    Jews will continue to reject -Republicans and conservatism.

    Podhoretz poignantly describes the way many Jewish Americans have adopted liberalism as a substitute religion.

    I guess, only bored identity is not allowed to cast his vote based on fear & loathing from everything that comes from Las Vegas – without being denounced as reprllent by echo-chambering Pod PPL.

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  94. Pericles says:

    These ideological quizzes are so endearingly 1990s.

    The Jews underwrite both sides of US politics (until the recent infelicity). Does the voting pattern matter once the donors have had their say?

    The media Jew is relentlessly on the side of multiculturalism and mass migration/colonization of the Europe. What does it matter how they then say they vote?

    Imagining that Jews and Muslims are poised against each other in Europe or the US is naive. I’m sure they will come to an understanding once the situation settles down.

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  95. A couple of additional points:

    (1) European Jews are to the right liberal/conservative spectrum, but not the globalist/nationalist one; almost no Jews vote for the Front National, despite MLP’s efforts to distance the party from her father.

    (2) Jews exert surprisingly strong influence on French politics, and their words are backed up by hate speech laws.

    Guillaume Durocher is probably the go-to guy on this particular topic.

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    (1) European Jews are to the right liberal/conservative spectrum, but not the globalist/nationalist one; almost no Jews vote for the Front National, despite MLP’s efforts to distance the party from her father.
     
    Right, they tend to support neocon type parties that are socially liberal, economically neoliberal, globalist, and pro-Israel and hawkish on terrorism. They generally do not support the populist and nationalist parties. In an American context, they'd be more like Bill Kristol especially with the less Muslim character of immigration to the US and the stronger pro-Israel tendency in the US.
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  96. Hockamaw says:
    @Art Deco
    But I can’t really see US Jews “losing control of the media”, as Silverman put it

    The position in American media and entertainment of corporations owned and / or managed by Jews was at its peak around about 1945. They've lost most of what they ever had. (And a number of prominent Jews in media were quite assimilationist in their conduct and outlook - Eugene Meyer, Wm. Paley, Grant Tinker, and clan Sulzberger to name a few).

    The position in American media and entertainment of corporations owned and / or managed by Jews was at its peak around about 1945. They’ve lost most of what they ever had.

    All the “man” and “stein” names in every roll of TV or movie credits is an argument against this proposition.

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  97. @Art Deco
    Whether or not Arabs are stupid and lazy, they're outnumbered by 13 to 1 in France and (prior to the Merkel invitation) by larger margins elsewhere. Fertility rates in Britain and France are adequate. If the governments in both loci get off their duffs and fix the immigration regime, any problems coming from the Muslim minority will be contained.

    If.

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  98. Sean says:
    @Art Deco
    The key issue for organised American Jewry is Israel.

    You've confused AIPAC with American Jewry in general. American Jews will cast 80% of their ballots for Barack Obama even though he's a chum of Rashid Khalidi and despises Benjamin Netanyahu and sent palettes of cash to Iran. The key project for J-Street was drumming up favorable publicity for BO. The key project for the ADL under Abraham Foxman was sliming people it fancied were subcultural enemies (e.g. the late Pope Pius). As for rank-and-file Jews, affection for Israel is pretty abstract. Less than 1% of Israel's Jewish population arrived there from the United States. Participants on these boards are fixated on clan Podhoretz without seeming to realize that the investment in Israel they have is quite unusual among American Jews.


    Israel as a Jewish state is doomed, unless it withdraws from the west bank or expels the Palestinians from the occupied territories. American Jews individually deeply resent white gentiles being a majority in the West.

    It isn't, and that's what has Israel's detractors in a snit. Jewish Israel's fertility is satisfactory and now in striking distance of Arab fertility in surrounding territories. Israel has never incorporated the West Bank or Gaza into Israel proper. All of Gaza's population and most of the West Bank's are now outside of Israel's security patrols and civil administration, something people who complain about 'the occupation' do not acknowledge.

    American Jews can only attain high status within their community by espousing the cause of Israel. The Podhoretzs know how to be Making It. Like you, Ben ” heartening news of an almost transcendent quality” Wattenberg claimed that Israeli fertility meant Israel had nothing much to fear, but Ehud Barak disagreed with him, and you.

    “As long as in this territory west of the Jordan River there is only one political entity called Israel, it is going to be either non-Jewish or non-democratic,” observed former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak. “If this bloc of millions of ­Palestinians cannot vote, that will be an apartheid state

    But since he was PM there have been so many settlements built that Gideon Levy wrote in Haaretz

    …the two-state solution “is already dead” … “most people know the truth but refuse to admit it. They know that the number of settlers has reached a critical mass. They know that no party in Israel will ever evacuate them. And without all of them being evacuated – and this, too, is something they know – there is no viable Palestinian state. They know that settler Israel never intended to implement the two-state solution. The fact is that all Israeli governments – all of them – continued the settlement enterprise

    The US mandarins probably decided to let the Israelis build settlements in the knowledge it would make a two state solution untenable, and in my opinion this was probably a deliberate ploy on the part of the US so as to confront Israel at a future date with the hard either or. In other words the US has been giving Israel enough rope . But there is a third choice apart from Barak’s non Jewish or apartheid state: population transfer.

    The US foreign policy brains trust doesn’t think it possible that the Israelis would dare kick the occupied territories’ Arabs over the river, but I think when pushed into a corner (and they will be eventually) Israel will expel the Palestinians–probably under cover of a war taking in Jordan.

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    American Jews can only attain high status within their community by espousing the cause of Israel.

    American Jews attain high status in their community and outside of it by building medical practices, law practices, academic careers, and lucrative businesses.


    The Podhoretzs know how to be Making It.

    Norman Podhoretz managed to persuade the American Jewish Committee to pay him a salary sufficient to afford an address on the Upper West Side with neighbors which included Madeleine L'Engle and a second piece of real estate in the Hamptons. Not bad for an employee of an eleemosynary, but I would not recommend you go to work for a philanthropic concern if fancy real estate is what you want out of life. (His wife worked for a publishing house, who aren't famous for paying handsome salaries).

    Like you, Ben

    The foregoing remarks you make couldn't be more obtuse. The bulk of the Arabs on the West Bank live in their own enclaves, not in Israel or on any piece of land Israel administers or patrols. They wouldn't sign on the dotted line for their own state in the territory as a whole, so they got disconnected bits.


    The US mandarins probably decided to let the Israelis build settlements in the knowledge

    The Government of Israel built the settlements. The first batch were for security purposes and placed in sparsely populated areas along the Jordan River. The colonization settlements were demarcated during the period running from 1977 to 1986 and have added cottages in increments ever since. The final increment was the foundation of Modin Illit, in 1995 which sits right on the Green Line. They were constructed over the public objections of the Carter Administration, though the Reagan Administration never made much of them. All the plans bruited about over the last 40 years have incorporated dismantling the settlements as a feature. Less than 10% of the Arab population on the West Bank lives in the zone wherein the settlements sit.


    The US foreign policy brains trust doesn’t think it possible that the Israelis would dare kick the occupied territories’ Arabs over the river, but I think when pushed into a corner (and they will be eventually) Israel will expel the Palestinians–probably under cover of a war taking in Jordan.

    There isn't any need to expel the Arabs. The security threat they've posed has been contained, they're too poor and incompetent to organize anything more sophisticated than criminal mafias, and the EU and the UN have taken their care and feeding off Israel's books.

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  99. @Tiny Duck
    The victim mentality here is amusing and sbaffling. Leonard Pitts has pointed out the absurdity of white men complaining about oppression. As he says whites enjoy advantages in housing health and employment. What you guys are scared of is a level playing field

    The future will be equal. Hisrtiry will be told that better reflects that white men never invented anything. Your daughters will bear Childten of olir and your sons will be muslins

    “The future will be equal”.

    I would take you for a fool, did I not know that you are a but a troll.

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  100. Sean says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    A couple of additional points:

    (1) European Jews are to the right liberal/conservative spectrum, but not the globalist/nationalist one; almost no Jews vote for the Front National, despite MLP's efforts to distance the party from her father.

    (2) Jews exert surprisingly strong influence on French politics, and their words are backed up by hate speech laws.

    Guillaume Durocher is probably the go-to guy on this particular topic.
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  101. O'Really says:

    With the heightening of the contradictions taking place in the Trump era, American Jews will soon have to choose sides between the SJW left and Zionism. However, I suspect most non-Orthodox will choose the Left and abandon Israel, for several reasons:

    1) The rate of intermarriage amongst non-Orthodox Jews is 71% (revealed preference).

    2) In most Reform (and many Conservative) congregations, Judaism is interpreted as an ur-SJW movement, with theology reduced to quasi-UU level.

    3) Israeli politics has moved so far to the right, that there is no Israeli figure for liberal American Jews to identify with. Since the death of Shimon Peres, 99% of American Jews could not name a single Israeli political leader they like, and are probably subliminally aware that the Israeli Labor party has ceased functioning as a viable opposition. Israeli politicians making headlines in the US, other than the despised Netanyahu, are further to the right (e.g., Lieberman and Bennett).

    4) Campus/Millennial Judaism follows the above patterns, only more so. The complete loss of memory of the Holocaust amongst that generation makes Israel bereft of any positive connotation.

    It is possible that a rump portion of Conservative Jewry will decisively break off in a nationalist direction, perhaps aligning politically with the Orthodox. But it is hard to imagine where such a movement would find a leader, as the peer pressure within the rabbinate appears overwhelming.

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    The complete loss of memory of the Holocaust amongst that generation makes Israel bereft of any positive connotation.
     
    All modern off the wagon Jews can seem to think about is the Holocaust. That's 70% of all levels of observance of modern Jews say it means to be Jewish. (Only 18% think it's observe judiac law)

    It's like me as Catholic saying what it's like to be Catholic is to remember all the deaths in the Protestant Reformation. Hmm...

    Anyway, it's not the loss of memory of the Holocaust but the lack of the connection between the two. Israel just poofed into being apparently.

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  102. anonguy says:
    @Jack D

    But it is quite common to have left wing cohabiting with nationalism
     
    I just thought of a name for such a party - you could call it "National Socialism".

    When the left wing takes power it is often internationalist at first but it always seems to drift toward nationalism/totalitarianism as the economy always go south and the need to find enemies to blame increases. After scapegoating and eliminating the "foreign elements" still doesn't magically bring back prosperity you move on to the next phase where the Revolution eats its own.

    What is amazing is that the same scenario plays out over and over (currently on show in Venezuela) but the locals never seem to connect the dots. Just this week on NPR I heard some lefty journalist on NPR say how much she had liked Chavez at first - he gave hope to the poor, etc. and isn't a shame how things deteriorated, as if the current situation was not the inevitable destination of the road that Chavez set out on.

    What is amazing is that the same scenario plays out over and over (currently on show in Venezuela) but the locals never seem to connect the dots. Just this week on NPR I heard some lefty journalist on NPR say how much she had liked Chavez at first – he gave hope to the poor, etc. and isn’t a shame how things deteriorated, as if the current situation was not the inevitable destination of the road that Chavez set out on.

    Butterfield Effect?

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  103. @yyrvjh

    Himmler’s dream come true at last!
     
    Careful, don't say that in Germany. In Munich, a gentleman posting a photo of a Nazi official shaking hands with the grand mufti of Jerusalem to illustrate his article on parallels between Islam and fascism has just been sentenced to a six-month prison term (suspended for three and a half years) plus 100 hours of community service.

    The judge used Germany's prohibition against publishing Nazi imagery (the swastika armband on the Nazi official) while ignoring the explicit exemption in the law for scholarly and information purposes.

    Some ten or twelve years ago I went round an auction house in Wiesbaden. Many of the items about to be auctioned off were militaria, much of it from the Third Reich.
    I laughed (and was hushed) when I remarked that every single swastika, however small, was covered over with a piece of plain paper.

    Of course this po-faced idiocy made the mysterious symbols more rather than less conspicuous.

    Grow up Germans. Grow up, or die.

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    I don't doubt it happened exactly as you describe. However, at any hour of any day you can find at least one documentary being shown on one of Germany's cable TV channels, inevitably featuring the swastika. Why isn't that illegal? Answer: it isn't because there is a specific exemption in the law that covers it, the same exemption that should have covered the citizen who reproduced the photo of mufti and nazi. So the judge misapplied the law to silence a critic of Islam. Verdict may yet be overturned on appeal ... this time. Long-term, however, Muslims will see to it that any criticism of their horrid cult/ideology is outlawed -- not just banned from Facebook and Twitter, but punished by long prison sentences.

    Schuldkult -- the attitude that Germany must bow its head and beat its chest forever because of the Holocaust -- was only ever real among the "chattering classes". Ordinary Germans do not, and did not, subscribe to it. Unfortunately, the Nazis exterminated not only most of Europe's Jews, they also murdered rebellious, non-conformist Germans (never very numerous) and they seem to have killed the spirit of civil disobedience for good. Otherwise, how do you explain that Merkel's illegal and unconstitutional open invitation to brutish, aggressive Muslims from all over the world did not spark massive demonstrations with 100,000+ people attending all over the country? Sure, media brainwashing is powerful. But this should not matter when the future of their society is at stake.

    There was a 100,000-strong demonstration last year. Its theme? Against the transatlantic trade agreement between the EU and the U.S.
    , @Lex
    It's almost as silly as Americans saying "N-word".
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  104. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @George
    Too much Jew talk:

    Jews these days are very diverse. The old White and Black America has given way to the multicult. So Jews are more amorphous than maybe they were in your youth. Jewish is becoming a category rather than the more specific thing it was in the past.

    Anti Zionist Jews:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neturei_Karta
    http://www.truetorahjews.org/

    Introduction to anti Zionist thinking on Israel.

    Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro explains the reasons why Orthodox Jews do not serve in the Israeli army
    http://www.truetorahjews.org/images/rabbishapirovideo.mp4

    Muslims in Europe are also very diverse. One of the complaints at TatjanaFesterling.com is that every local complaint in the Muslim world brings out protesters on both sides in Germany. So Erdogen vs Gulen thing in Turkey brings out protesters on both sides in Germany. Iran vs Saudi Arabia. Hezbollah Iran Alawites vs Takfiries. and the rest.

    Jewish leftism is not going to disappear so easily. The problem is that when leftist Jews marry gentiles, they marry very leftist gentiles. Their kids are raised like red diaper babies, who then perpetuate more extreme leftism.

    The only way leftist ideology is going to disappear is either because 1) The left has fewer children than the right, which is happening among the higher classes, but not the lower, where the reverse is true, or 2) Being leftwing carries an economic penalty that makes you poor. But there’s a staggering amount of money in our econonomic system that’s being shunted towards the left, so there is no penalty. Rich leftists get inheritances, trust funds, donations to their foundations, etc. Upper-middle and middle-class leftists get grants, student loans, and access to elite colleges where they make contacts who can get them high-paying jobs. Poor leftists get welfare, ebt, bank loans to buy houses and cars, etc.

    Our current economic system is set up to reward the left for doing absolutely nothing. Unless we dismantle this system, the right doesn’t have a chance. We need to get rid of welfare and quit giving grants and student loans to leftist students.

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    Jewish leftism is not going to disappear so easily. The problem is that when leftist Jews marry gentiles, they marry very leftist gentiles.
     
    more interestingly from an hbd point of view a lot of the previous generation (woody allen era) seemed to want to marry the ultra pathological altruist type of wasp - which if you believe behavior is part genetic must have created a very weird mix among the kids.
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  105. utu says:

    By contrast, in Europe, Jews are considered white.

    Until very recently in most Europe white was not a category. You could live whole life and not once had a thought related to your race. Europeans had zero racial identity. But Jews were Jews as opposed to everybody else who was normal, i.e., Christian. Jews were standing out. With immigrants from exotic places the otherness of Jews diminished on relative scale and the Anglo-American concept of whiteness began to spread. European elites (this include Jews) discovered benefits of American multi-ethnic model.

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    You could live whole life and not once had a thought related to your race. Europeans had zero racial identity
     
    You don't need a racial identity when everyone around you is the same race. The US had to develop at least a partial one because of our Euro-mutt heritage and the existence of a large population of another race living nearby.
    , @Curle
    The Spanish in the New World had quite a racial classification system developed, was that originally developed in Recinquista Spain? Anyone know?
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  106. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Nico

    Muslims have a tremendous advantage in their ideology (basically, rape and subjugate everyone), but they’ve been held back by their low IQ, laziness a general worthlessness of their genes. But if the migrants successfully “integrate” (which means – interbreed) with Germans, we could see Islamic ideology running on efficient high IQ German hardware.
     
    That would be nightmarish in the interim but it would probably lead to rapid decline of Germany within a few generations, similar to the way the fast initial Islamic Arab conquests led to a glorious Golden Age uniting various strains under the efficient ideology you rightly speak of, then tapering off steadily every century until the conversion of the Turks, who eventually took the same path from the 15th century on after gobbling up the remains of the Arab and Byzantine Empries.

    The culprit? Consanguinity, which is rampant in nearly all Islamic countries and is tapering off only in Algeria (whose decades-long official policies of Arabization are not fending off the preeminence of French on the Internet or the desire of parents to have their children schooled in French). The effects of inbreeding depression probably explain why Maghrebins look so different from Sicilians and Maltese despite the genetic affinity history suggests they should have. I also suspect the long consanguinity has had a deleterious effect on the Islamic populations, so that even if they stopped it tomorrow certain salutary alleles may be badly reduced or lost to their respective gene pools.

    I wouldn’t worry quite so much. Any time two dissimiliar populations come across each other, they have a way of segregating and developing a caste system. This is what history teaches us. The only populations that blend are the ones with few differences.

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  107. utu says:

    Irish Paleo must be American because he does not get Europe at all.

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  108. yyrvjh says:
    @Old Palo Altan
    Some ten or twelve years ago I went round an auction house in Wiesbaden. Many of the items about to be auctioned off were militaria, much of it from the Third Reich.
    I laughed (and was hushed) when I remarked that every single swastika, however small, was covered over with a piece of plain paper.

    Of course this po-faced idiocy made the mysterious symbols more rather than less conspicuous.

    Grow up Germans. Grow up, or die.

    I don’t doubt it happened exactly as you describe. However, at any hour of any day you can find at least one documentary being shown on one of Germany’s cable TV channels, inevitably featuring the swastika. Why isn’t that illegal? Answer: it isn’t because there is a specific exemption in the law that covers it, the same exemption that should have covered the citizen who reproduced the photo of mufti and nazi. So the judge misapplied the law to silence a critic of Islam. Verdict may yet be overturned on appeal … this time. Long-term, however, Muslims will see to it that any criticism of their horrid cult/ideology is outlawed — not just banned from Facebook and Twitter, but punished by long prison sentences.

    Schuldkult — the attitude that Germany must bow its head and beat its chest forever because of the Holocaust — was only ever real among the “chattering classes”. Ordinary Germans do not, and did not, subscribe to it. Unfortunately, the Nazis exterminated not only most of Europe’s Jews, they also murdered rebellious, non-conformist Germans (never very numerous) and they seem to have killed the spirit of civil disobedience for good. Otherwise, how do you explain that Merkel’s illegal and unconstitutional open invitation to brutish, aggressive Muslims from all over the world did not spark massive demonstrations with 100,000+ people attending all over the country? Sure, media brainwashing is powerful. But this should not matter when the future of their society is at stake.

    There was a 100,000-strong demonstration last year. Its theme? Against the transatlantic trade agreement between the EU and the U.S.

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  109. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @LondonBob
    Of course the growing Muslim population is an issue and the odious likes of Pamela Geller excreta have been plying their trade extensively here but I think the current Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, is the outcome sought. He was well funded by the Jewish community and has done what he was told, Muslim immigrants are animated a lot more by issues other than dislike of Jews and Palestine, indeed Palestine is relatively unimportant. Noteworthy that very few terror attacks have been directed at Jewish targets, ignore the kvetching. The aim remains a housebroken form of Islam, with dutiful leaders like Khan, and indeed a somewhat restive Muslim population plays well as propaganda for Israel's increasingly harsh treatment of the Palestinians (that a lot of Palestinians are Christian goes unmentioned).

    Noteworthy that very few terror attacks have been directed at Jewish targets, ignore the kvetching.

    Yeah, like half of all Islamic attacks being against about 0.1% of the population deserves no notice.

    You’re an idiot.

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  110. J.Ross says: • Website

    I don’t see a lot of contradictions (or opportunities for recruitment).
    Does it clarify anything if I propose that “the Jews” (for purposes of most political discussion) only ever described the “organizational Jews” and ruling caste, which, in the tradition of the ruling classes of all peoples, has always been happy to selflessly sacrifice their people?
    Yes, there is heavy involvement lower down — Jews as a matter of definition are automatic “party actives.” But the commands only ever flow one way.
    I have met working class Jews (wierdly, we have a pretty big and diverse Jewish population in Michigan) and they’re as reliably right-wing as rednecks, probably for the same reasons. It is safe to assume that their feelings do not enter into any discussions at the ADL, ZOA, the Congress of Jewish Organizations, AIPAC/J-Street, and so on.

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    I think there is definitely a big difference between the more urban and less urban Jews. For instance, in MA, Boston area compared to Worcester area. I don't think it is purely geocultural either, but probably familial. If you traced out their genealogies and read old censuses, their ancestors probably had vastly different professions. Theater troup vs. haberdashery.
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  111. TheBoom says:

    Two radically different scenarios between Jews in the US and Europe. In the US the Jews have a lock on the media and entertainment industry and significant control of the political establishment, academia and courts. I read in a Jewish publication that Jews donate half of the money that the Demo party receives and a quarter of what the GOP does. Seems about right.

    Consequently, they are in the position to shape the narrative and determine what is acceptable to think and do. Right now they are starting to drive the right off the internet. Add in that Mexicans are not as anti-Semitic as Muslims and at the very least Jews will be able to control the narrative for some time to come.

    But it won’t be smooth sailing even though Jews feel they will be the top power brokers when they make whites a minority. Blacks and Muslims will likely increasingly align which means that Jews will need to keep most whites subservient to them (not hard among conservative evangelicals) while forming bonds with Asians and Mexicans. Chinese see themselves as Asian version of Jews but hold no affinity with Jews unlike the evangelicals Jews so despise. Chinese would be willing to send Jews to the camps if they could get a good deal on the Jews’ real estate. Mexicans can be bought off for awhile with open borders and government handouts. How long this lasts who knows? There was one recent instance of a flyer in Chicago of Jewish privilege but that was stamped out quickly.

    By the time this blows up on the average Jew, whites will be a minority and there will be chaos from the coalitions of the fringes infighting so their moving to the right, if that happens, won’t do any good.

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    n the US the Jews have a lock on the media and entertainment industry and significant control of the political establishment, academia and courts.

    Take your thioridizine. The media couldn't be more fragmented, the Hollywood Studio system was dismantled sixty years ago, William Paley and David Sarnoff are dead, and the Jews 'control' the political establishment only in the minds of people who know nothing about that establishment.
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  112. Fredrik says:
    @Thomas
    Two issues:

    1) Whatever the broader demographics, American Jews have controlled the broad culture for a half century now, and have used it to give themselves a special, saintly, victim position that transcends any attempt to characterize them as "white." (I've lost count of how many times I've seen Jewish torches-and-pitchforks paranoia about Trump from somebody who grew up in the San Fernando Valley or Cheviot Hills accorded some special credence by others because "Jews have seen this all before.")

    2) It will be a long time, if it ever happens, that America gets the same Muslim proportion of its population that Europe has, and American Muslims are much less likely to be poor and radicalized (if for no other reason that Europe is a much more convenient destination for those people coming from the Middle East and North Africa).

    Your black population is much larger than the diverse populations in Europe. Then you have the Hispanics and then the Asians.

    None of these, except Asian girls, particularly care for Jews and/or Israel. If you want to destroy the Democrat party you need to drive a wedge between the ultra-white Jews and the non-whites. We all know that. The discussion is only about the ways to acheive that and the odds…

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  113. IHTG says:
    @Malcolm X-Lax
    The Russian jews who came to America voted Trump? Do we actually have numbers? How'd Brighton Beach vote? The Russian jews I can think of off-hand--Julia Ioffe, Cathy Young, Biana Golodryga--don't strike me as terribly pro-Trump or pro-any of the policies he advocates with regard to immigration.
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  114. @yyrvjh

    Himmler’s dream come true at last!
     
    Careful, don't say that in Germany. In Munich, a gentleman posting a photo of a Nazi official shaking hands with the grand mufti of Jerusalem to illustrate his article on parallels between Islam and fascism has just been sentenced to a six-month prison term (suspended for three and a half years) plus 100 hours of community service.

    The judge used Germany's prohibition against publishing Nazi imagery (the swastika armband on the Nazi official) while ignoring the explicit exemption in the law for scholarly and information purposes.

    Can you provide a source, please? I’d love to share this story.

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    Gatesofvienna.net has been covering the story for a while:

    http://gatesofvienna.net/2017/09/poland-takes-up-the-case-of-michael-sturzenberger/

    and earlier:

    http://gatesofvienna.net/2017/08/michael-sturzenberger-six-months-in-prison-for-posting-a-photo-of-hitler-and-the-mufti-on-facebook/

    Hardly any coverage at all in German media.
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  115. 3g4me says:
    @Simon in London
    I agree with Irish Paleo that the Jewish viewpoint in Europe is very different, aside from a few childless lefties in the metropolitan capitals - I had never met a British Jew with "American" attitudes until a few years ago, and it was quite a shock. But I can't really see US Jews "losing control of the media", as Silverman put it - even if the non-white Democratic base is very anti-Jewish, there is no force capable of displacing them. The Chinese might one day earn more money, but they are not media people. Jews don't control the Narrative in Europe simply because there are not enough Jews here. The people who do control the narrative in 'Britain' (ie London) are not Muslims, they are upper middle class Lefty WASPS. Likewise in Ireland it's the WANCS - White Anglo-Norman Catholics. >:D

    @35 Simon in London: “Jews don’t control the Narrative in Europe . . . ”

    Somehow you conveniently neglect to mention the enormous number and influence of Jews in the British media, particularly their almost total control over the BBC, when you falsely assert that “The people who do control the narrative in ‘Britain’ (ie London) are not Muslims, they are upper middle class Lefty WASPS. ” Alan Yentob is hardly an isolated example. It is rather simple to note that the British media is heavily controlled by Jews, although there are perhaps more Whites playing the role of “shabbos goy,” while still holding such traitorous Whites to blame for their part.

    And, of course, there is Sweden’s Bonnier Group, which exerts almost total control over print and broadcast media, and is Jewish-owned. France has an unfortunately long tradition of Jewish leftist journalists and self-styled philosophers.

    Your statement is not merely baseless and laughable, it is a lie.

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    Well my impression is that compared to the USA, there are lots of Jews in the British media, and certainly they have disproportionate influence, but unlike the USA it cannot really be called "Jewish controlled". Maybe my impression is out of date, but there are certainly differences with New York/Hollywood. I would think it's significant that the BBC/Establishment line is traditionally somewhat unfriendly to Israel, & pro-Palestinian. This is also true for other western European nations.
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  116. yyrvjh says:
    @reiner Tor
    Can you provide a source, please? I'd love to share this story.
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    Thanks!
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  117. 3g4me says:

    Irish Paleo: “3. By contrast, in Europe, Jews are considered white. ”

    Not quite true and not nearly so simple. True, Jews are not considered a part of the self-consciously brown and foreign underclass throughout Europe, but Jews in Europe are far more insular and separatist than American Jews. Whereas your average American Jew considers himself the quintessential average American, despite knowing few legitimately Christian Americans and despising America’s rural and Christian roots, European Jews are well aware they are a people apart, and so are Europeans. As you do note, their numbers are significantly smaller, so there is far less public awareness of them as a group. Their influence, however, is just as exaggerated and outsized as it is in America, via a combination of money and -particularly in Britain – strategic intermarriage. This is generally not resented as much only because the Jewish press and their nominally Christian frontsmen work assiduously to keep it subrosa.

    As for your baseless assertion that the left’s pro-Arab/Palestinian and anti-White bias is going to drive the Jews to the “right” politically, I’ll echo another commenter and reply “Sure. Any day now.” The old terms left and right are of little utility when referring not to economics or even domestic policies but rather the rise of nationalism directly challenging the one-world globalism almost all Jews of any political stripe are rather partial to. Such nationalism and patriotism provides Europe’s Jews with the same dilemma it presents for most American Jews. How does one maintain one’s identity as separate and special (whether privately as in Europe or loudly and publicly in the US) and simultaneously claim to be true-blue patriots with no conflicting loyalties? American Jews have been trying to claim this set of conflicting beliefs for decades now, and an ever increasing portion of the American public is just not buying it. Europe has been even more aware of Jews as not part of the greater public but rather apart from it, and Jews recoil at all forms of nationalism that don’t make exceptions for their rather special form of “same but different and equal to but also superior.”

    In sum, I reject both your premise and your conclusions as so much phil0semitic wishful thinking.

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    It depends on the community. In France, most Jews are brown and descend from North Africa.

    In Moscow - aside from the Mountain Jews - the Jews (in my experience) are about 80% blue eyes, and at least 30% are blonde.
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  118. Art Deco says:
    @anonymous
    An 87 year old woman in Germany was just sentenced to 10 months in prison for holocaust denial.

    Why would the European elite support criminalizing such thoughts if they did not like the Jews?

    Why would the European elite support criminalizing such thoughts if they did not like the Jews?

    Here’s a hypothesis:

    1. The German court system is a bureaucratic machine that doesn’t have much of a mind, rather like The Megara in Dr. Who.

    2. What they do not like is political opposition. The laws on ‘holocaust denial’ are a wedge to criminalize political opinion at a variance with elite consensus (“European values”).

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    To Art Deco's point, one hardly needs payot to feel visceral hatred for freedom of speech. The Anglo-American tradition is the global aberration and ruthless censorship is the human norm. Furthermore, centralization is an axiomatically inherent characteristic of power regardless of nationality. Any system, left running long enough without interruption, will turn into an Orwellian nightmare of centralization, dysfunction, and independence from outcome.
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  119. donut says:

    With all your brilliant and erudite commenters you can’t loose can you Steve ?

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  120. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Thomas
    Let me know when you think the Palestinians are going to have their moment in Hollywood, and Deir Yassin will get its "Detroit" or "The Promise."

    Israel / Palestinian conflict
    22,000 Palestinian killed
    Indonesia occupation of Papua
    500,000+ Papuans killed

    Israel / Palestinian conflict
    2,000 sq miles in dispute
    Indonesia occupation of Papua
    138,000 sq miles of papua land occupied by indonesia

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    @Art Deco
    Why would the European elite support criminalizing such thoughts if they did not like the Jews?

    Here's a hypothesis:


    1. The German court system is a bureaucratic machine that doesn't have much of a mind, rather like The Megara in Dr. Who.

    2. What they do not like is political opposition. The laws on 'holocaust denial' are a wedge to criminalize political opinion at a variance with elite consensus ("European values").

    To Art Deco’s point, one hardly needs payot to feel visceral hatred for freedom of speech. The Anglo-American tradition is the global aberration and ruthless censorship is the human norm. Furthermore, centralization is an axiomatically inherent characteristic of power regardless of nationality. Any system, left running long enough without interruption, will turn into an Orwellian nightmare of centralization, dysfunction, and independence from outcome.

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  122. @Sean
    The European left lives in Mickey Mouse countries and spend much of its time complaining about American (pro Israel) actions in the middle East. European Jews react against that.

    The key issue for organised American Jewry is Israel. Trump was initially equivocal, but it seems he is going to continue with the two state solution, which is official (and bipartisan) US policy. Israel as a Jewish state is doomed, unless it withdraws from the west bank or expels the Palestinians from the occupied territories. American Jews individually deeply resent white gentiles being a majority in the West.

    Individually Jews want immigration to displace the white gentiles, but they also want America to preserve Israel as a Jewish state. These are mutually incompatible objectives, and so the American Jews will go right or left depending on whether Jewish group interests (organisation) or personal agrandisment (individual feelings) dominate the lives of Jews in the future .

    Simon in London writes “American Jews individually deeply resent white gentiles being a majority in the West.

    Individually Jews want immigration to displace the white gentiles, . . .”

    A classic case of projection. Simon deeply resents Jews. American jews intermarriage rate is 58%. So Simon is talking out his posterior.

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  123. Art Deco says:
    @Sean
    American Jews can only attain high status within their community by espousing the cause of Israel. The Podhoretzs know how to be Making It. Like you, Ben " heartening news of an almost transcendent quality" Wattenberg claimed that Israeli fertility meant Israel had nothing much to fear, but Ehud Barak disagreed with him, and you.

    “As long as in this territory west of the Jordan River there is only one political entity called Israel, it is going to be either non-Jewish or non-democratic,” observed former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak. “If this bloc of millions of ­Palestinians cannot vote, that will be an apartheid state
     
    But since he was PM there have been so many settlements built that Gideon Levy wrote in Haaretz

    ...the two-state solution “is already dead” ... “most people know the truth but refuse to admit it. They know that the number of settlers has reached a critical mass. They know that no party in Israel will ever evacuate them. And without all of them being evacuated – and this, too, is something they know – there is no viable Palestinian state. They know that settler Israel never intended to implement the two-state solution. The fact is that all Israeli governments – all of them – continued the settlement enterprise
     
    The US mandarins probably decided to let the Israelis build settlements in the knowledge it would make a two state solution untenable, and in my opinion this was probably a deliberate ploy on the part of the US so as to confront Israel at a future date with the hard either or. In other words the US has been giving Israel enough rope . But there is a third choice apart from Barak's non Jewish or apartheid state: population transfer.

    The US foreign policy brains trust doesn't think it possible that the Israelis would dare kick the occupied territories' Arabs over the river, but I think when pushed into a corner (and they will be eventually) Israel will expel the Palestinians--probably under cover of a war taking in Jordan.

    American Jews can only attain high status within their community by espousing the cause of Israel.

    American Jews attain high status in their community and outside of it by building medical practices, law practices, academic careers, and lucrative businesses.

    The Podhoretzs know how to be Making It.

    Norman Podhoretz managed to persuade the American Jewish Committee to pay him a salary sufficient to afford an address on the Upper West Side with neighbors which included Madeleine L’Engle and a second piece of real estate in the Hamptons. Not bad for an employee of an eleemosynary, but I would not recommend you go to work for a philanthropic concern if fancy real estate is what you want out of life. (His wife worked for a publishing house, who aren’t famous for paying handsome salaries).

    Like you, Ben

    The foregoing remarks you make couldn’t be more obtuse. The bulk of the Arabs on the West Bank live in their own enclaves, not in Israel or on any piece of land Israel administers or patrols. They wouldn’t sign on the dotted line for their own state in the territory as a whole, so they got disconnected bits.

    The US mandarins probably decided to let the Israelis build settlements in the knowledge

    The Government of Israel built the settlements. The first batch were for security purposes and placed in sparsely populated areas along the Jordan River. The colonization settlements were demarcated during the period running from 1977 to 1986 and have added cottages in increments ever since. The final increment was the foundation of Modin Illit, in 1995 which sits right on the Green Line. They were constructed over the public objections of the Carter Administration, though the Reagan Administration never made much of them. All the plans bruited about over the last 40 years have incorporated dismantling the settlements as a feature. Less than 10% of the Arab population on the West Bank lives in the zone wherein the settlements sit.

    The US foreign policy brains trust doesn’t think it possible that the Israelis would dare kick the occupied territories’ Arabs over the river, but I think when pushed into a corner (and they will be eventually) Israel will expel the Palestinians–probably under cover of a war taking in Jordan.

    There isn’t any need to expel the Arabs. The security threat they’ve posed has been contained, they’re too poor and incompetent to organize anything more sophisticated than criminal mafias, and the EU and the UN have taken their care and feeding off Israel’s books.

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    Noted Talmudic scholars invariably became wealthy because they were the recipient of many valuable emoluments as gifts from rich men within the community who wanted to seen as admirable Jews (not just enviable ones ). Podhoretz knew that being Israel's defender was the royal road to Fat City.

    Certain American Jewish organisations gave implicit support to Apartheid South Africa but were caught on the wrong side of history.You think time is on Israels side. Well Ehud Barak still disagrees with you. And so do the representatives of Palestinians because they turned down Barak's deal believing a much better one would have to be offered in the future. The danger from the Arabs is not military but rather political. In fact the more peaceful the West Bank and ME generally becomes the more salient the Palestinian's political threat to Israel will become.

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  124. Art Deco says:
    @TheBoom
    Two radically different scenarios between Jews in the US and Europe. In the US the Jews have a lock on the media and entertainment industry and significant control of the political establishment, academia and courts. I read in a Jewish publication that Jews donate half of the money that the Demo party receives and a quarter of what the GOP does. Seems about right.

    Consequently, they are in the position to shape the narrative and determine what is acceptable to think and do. Right now they are starting to drive the right off the internet. Add in that Mexicans are not as anti-Semitic as Muslims and at the very least Jews will be able to control the narrative for some time to come.

    But it won't be smooth sailing even though Jews feel they will be the top power brokers when they make whites a minority. Blacks and Muslims will likely increasingly align which means that Jews will need to keep most whites subservient to them (not hard among conservative evangelicals) while forming bonds with Asians and Mexicans. Chinese see themselves as Asian version of Jews but hold no affinity with Jews unlike the evangelicals Jews so despise. Chinese would be willing to send Jews to the camps if they could get a good deal on the Jews' real estate. Mexicans can be bought off for awhile with open borders and government handouts. How long this lasts who knows? There was one recent instance of a flyer in Chicago of Jewish privilege but that was stamped out quickly.

    By the time this blows up on the average Jew, whites will be a minority and there will be chaos from the coalitions of the fringes infighting so their moving to the right, if that happens, won't do any good.

    n the US the Jews have a lock on the media and entertainment industry and significant control of the political establishment, academia and courts.

    Take your thioridizine. The media couldn’t be more fragmented, the Hollywood Studio system was dismantled sixty years ago, William Paley and David Sarnoff are dead, and the Jews ‘control’ the political establishment only in the minds of people who know nothing about that establishment.

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  125. Art Deco says:
    @Thomas
    Let me know when you think the Palestinians are going to have their moment in Hollywood, and Deir Yassin will get its "Detroit" or "The Promise."

    Let me know when you think the Palestinians are going to have their moment in Hollywood, and Deir Yassin will get its “Detroit” or “The Promise.”

    Why would the Arab population on the West Bank or the Gaza Strip or living in UNRWA camps in Lebanon have some sort of ‘moment’? They’re not all that numerous (how many films do you see about Singapore?) and it’s a challenge to construct an appealing narrative around them unless you pretty much ignore public affairs. Deir Yassin and the U.S.S. Liberty were wartime episodes which are intensely interesting to people who resent and despise Jews, not to ordinary people.

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    The influence and heavy presence of Jews (2% of the US population) in the culture demonstrates how little numerosity tends to weigh in getting a showcase for one's parochial cultural fixations. (Even the Armenians got their Hollywood movie for their genocide, probably because there were just enough of them in the Los Angeles area who wouldn't shut up about it. Emmett Till might be getting 3 movies in the near future.) And the OP presumes a definite motivation towards solidarity with the Palestinians among European leftists, with American leftists maybe a generation or two behind.
    , @bored identity



    "...U.S.S. Liberty was wartime episode which is intensely interesting to people who resent and despise Jews, not to ordinary people..."

     

    Your artsy decorated 'splaination and sentiment are shared with the majority of your countrymen:

    https://youtu.be/K3Tjk0vlC6M


    BTW, should bored identity count U.S.S. Liberty survivors as the people who resent and despise Jews, or just as ordinary people being collateral damage in Operation Cyanide?

    https://youtu.be/kjOH1XMAwZA?t=58m58s
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  126. @Karl
    go and google on the employment adverts for Hebrew-immersion teachers by Jewish Community Centers in the USA, for young-children classes. I have noticed the growth.

    The Silent Majority of young Jewish American couples, is emotionally ready to prep their kids with the foundations needed to exercise a fallback plan to emigrate to Israel in the early late 2020's to early 2030 years. These American Jews don't want their kids to end up in tent camps, sitting at the mercy of Israeli second-tier sleepy bureaucrats. And of course, the Russians have seized the levers of power at the actual Ministry of Immigrant Absorption. To be fair to the Russkies, they seem tolerable enough. They're doing am ok job with an Orderly Transfer of the "Tribe of Menashe" people out of Mizoram into Galilee. Of course, Mizoramese are a good 10 IQ points above the Ethiopians. A Mizoramese kid could be trusted to do a repair on a (eg) fire-control radar at an Air Force base

    I have not yet seen this spoken of overtly in American Jewish Community publications or webpages. In the real world, most important stuff is not written down; it is spoken of, over coffee at the Bagel Express restaurant.

    Oh.... look at that! "Adat Ari El Early Child Center" in VALLEY VILLAGE just hired some IDF post-army girl for the job.

    So, you thing that Jews are prepping to flee the havoc that helped creat?

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  127. You also have to remember that in Europe, antisemitism is more common on the left-wing of the political spectrum than on the right-wing.

    A lot of Jewish voters are just reacting to that. That’s why it’s kind of funny to see all the alt-right idiots pushing antisemitic conspiracy theories – the result is just to undermine political right-wing agenda in America, by pushing away Jewish voters from taking a clearer view on these issues.

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  128. @3g4me
    Irish Paleo: "3. By contrast, in Europe, Jews are considered white. "

    Not quite true and not nearly so simple. True, Jews are not considered a part of the self-consciously brown and foreign underclass throughout Europe, but Jews in Europe are far more insular and separatist than American Jews. Whereas your average American Jew considers himself the quintessential average American, despite knowing few legitimately Christian Americans and despising America's rural and Christian roots, European Jews are well aware they are a people apart, and so are Europeans. As you do note, their numbers are significantly smaller, so there is far less public awareness of them as a group. Their influence, however, is just as exaggerated and outsized as it is in America, via a combination of money and -particularly in Britain - strategic intermarriage. This is generally not resented as much only because the Jewish press and their nominally Christian frontsmen work assiduously to keep it subrosa.

    As for your baseless assertion that the left's pro-Arab/Palestinian and anti-White bias is going to drive the Jews to the "right" politically, I'll echo another commenter and reply "Sure. Any day now." The old terms left and right are of little utility when referring not to economics or even domestic policies but rather the rise of nationalism directly challenging the one-world globalism almost all Jews of any political stripe are rather partial to. Such nationalism and patriotism provides Europe's Jews with the same dilemma it presents for most American Jews. How does one maintain one's identity as separate and special (whether privately as in Europe or loudly and publicly in the US) and simultaneously claim to be true-blue patriots with no conflicting loyalties? American Jews have been trying to claim this set of conflicting beliefs for decades now, and an ever increasing portion of the American public is just not buying it. Europe has been even more aware of Jews as not part of the greater public but rather apart from it, and Jews recoil at all forms of nationalism that don't make exceptions for their rather special form of "same but different and equal to but also superior."

    In sum, I reject both your premise and your conclusions as so much phil0semitic wishful thinking.

    It depends on the community. In France, most Jews are brown and descend from North Africa.

    In Moscow – aside from the Mountain Jews – the Jews (in my experience) are about 80% blue eyes, and at least 30% are blonde.

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  129. Carneades says:
    @Thea
    I think the distinction between left and right is gone. Now it us just ruling class vs the outsiders.

    May is part of the same ruling class as Blair. Calling her right is a stretch.

    “Now it us just ruling class vs the outsiders.”

    ‘Twas ever thus.

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  130. @Tiny Duck
    The victim mentality here is amusing and sbaffling. Leonard Pitts has pointed out the absurdity of white men complaining about oppression. As he says whites enjoy advantages in housing health and employment. What you guys are scared of is a level playing field

    The future will be equal. Hisrtiry will be told that better reflects that white men never invented anything. Your daughters will bear Childten of olir and your sons will be muslins

    It depends which group of whites you’re talking about. Wealthy whites (and jews) are getting richer, so they can’t be said to be suffering. However, middle class whites have stagnating incomes and working class whites have worsening health statistics. We’ve had 50 years of anti-white identity politics, yet statistics show “the Man” at the top is better off than he was 50 years ago. What is your explanation.

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  131. hvm says:

    Think of US politics as whites fighting between each other about what to do about blacks, and it all makes sense. In the US, jews can play the race card against their white, goy rivals, but it requires that whites are guilted into feeling responsible for past injustice. In Europe, there is no such history, and the black/brown newcomers have no moral claim on the white conscience, which jews can then exploit. Both goy and jew are fearful about this aggressive underclass which hates them both.

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  132. Carneades says:
    @Art Deco
    But I can’t really see US Jews “losing control of the media”, as Silverman put it

    The position in American media and entertainment of corporations owned and / or managed by Jews was at its peak around about 1945. They've lost most of what they ever had. (And a number of prominent Jews in media were quite assimilationist in their conduct and outlook - Eugene Meyer, Wm. Paley, Grant Tinker, and clan Sulzberger to name a few).

    Horse shit.

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    Interesting chart.

    Cosher News Network just provides a central conduit for the Tikkun Olam to flow through, nothing to see here, move along. Lol
    , @Art Deco
    CNN?

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/01/cnn-cant-crack-top-10-in-cable-news-ratings/

    I haven't the time to do an inventory of your photospread. People inclined to make these lists tend to make comical errors.

    , @biz
    I don't even have to squint to try to read that cut-and-paste image to know it is riddled with errors. Like the one that someone (you?) posted claiming that there were 50 "dual citizens of Israel" in the US government which proceeded to list exactly zero people who were actual dual citizens?
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  133. The political preferences of Jewish communities react quite strongly to antisemitism. When antisemitism is associated with the left-wing, they will shift their preferences to the right. When antisemitism is associated with the right-wing, they will shift to the left.

    You can see this clearly in the case of the Russian community in Israel, which is heavily slanted to the secular right-wing, even against their own interests. The most popular party in the 2015 election amongst Russian speakers was the Likud , with Nash Dom Israel (Avigdor Lieberman’s party) coming in second place. It’s common for politically-aware Russians in Israel to idolize Ronald Reagan in particular, which is not something you will find among non-Jewish Russians in Russia (who would be much more sympathetic, on average, to Soviet ideology).

    This is a very simple reaction to living in the Soviet Union, where the left-wing political ideology was associated with antisemitism for around 70 years.

    On the other hand, a large part of the (dying) left-wing elite in Israel, is comprised by descendants of the German and Polish community, who (as we all are aware) suffered antisemitism only primarily from a Nazi regime associated with the political right. It should be noted that this is changing now even amongst a much broader population however, as only 11% of young people in Israel identify as left-wing.

    The situation in the UK is likely a similar pattern. As the left-wing in the UK has become increasingly antisemitic (although under guise of ‘anti-Zionism’), the Jewish community has shifted to the right-wing politically.

    Whereas in the US, we may see the opposite process with the emergence of the ‘alt-right’. The reaction to the alt-right, who mainly seem interested in propagating antisemitic conspiracy theories – will surely be a shift from the Jewish community towards the left of the spectrum.

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    You're missing a vector in there. Antagonism to Jews has never been of much consequence in political life in this country bar during the inter-war period. The most prominent starboard anti-semites of that era were Charles Coughlin, Charles Lindbergh, and Gerald L. K. Smith. Lindbergh kept a low profile after the war, Smith largely withdrew from public life more than 50 years ago, and Coughlin was silenced by his bishop in 1940. All three men had died by 1980.
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  134. AM says:
    @O'Really
    With the heightening of the contradictions taking place in the Trump era, American Jews will soon have to choose sides between the SJW left and Zionism. However, I suspect most non-Orthodox will choose the Left and abandon Israel, for several reasons:

    1) The rate of intermarriage amongst non-Orthodox Jews is 71% (revealed preference).

    2) In most Reform (and many Conservative) congregations, Judaism is interpreted as an ur-SJW movement, with theology reduced to quasi-UU level.

    3) Israeli politics has moved so far to the right, that there is no Israeli figure for liberal American Jews to identify with. Since the death of Shimon Peres, 99% of American Jews could not name a single Israeli political leader they like, and are probably subliminally aware that the Israeli Labor party has ceased functioning as a viable opposition. Israeli politicians making headlines in the US, other than the despised Netanyahu, are further to the right (e.g., Lieberman and Bennett).

    4) Campus/Millennial Judaism follows the above patterns, only more so. The complete loss of memory of the Holocaust amongst that generation makes Israel bereft of any positive connotation.

    It is possible that a rump portion of Conservative Jewry will decisively break off in a nationalist direction, perhaps aligning politically with the Orthodox. But it is hard to imagine where such a movement would find a leader, as the peer pressure within the rabbinate appears overwhelming.

    The complete loss of memory of the Holocaust amongst that generation makes Israel bereft of any positive connotation.

    All modern off the wagon Jews can seem to think about is the Holocaust. That’s 70% of all levels of observance of modern Jews say it means to be Jewish. (Only 18% think it’s observe judiac law)

    It’s like me as Catholic saying what it’s like to be Catholic is to remember all the deaths in the Protestant Reformation. Hmm…

    Anyway, it’s not the loss of memory of the Holocaust but the lack of the connection between the two. Israel just poofed into being apparently.

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    All modern off the wagon Jews can seem to think about is the Holocaust.


    You haven't met many Jews, have you?

    It's not difficult to find Jews of a certain age in this country who have spent their lives almost bereft of collateral relatives. That can influence your worldview.
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  135. @Guy de Champlagne
    I'm curious about how this turn towards antisemitism on the left is going to take place. Where are non whites going go get their anti semitic ideas from if the media remains rabidly philosemitic? Muslims aren't going to grow into a substantial block and for all the ruckus made about the (ultimately trivial number) of muslim refugees, the american muslim population is going to remain educated and high iq, and dissimilar from the European Muslim populations, less literate in their culture pan national culture, and less inclined to their brand of anti semitism. So I don't see the anti semtic attitudes coming from american muslims and spreading to other non whites.

    Is the idea that campus BDS movements will transform into actual antisemtiism? Or are we just conflating anti zionism with anti antisemitism entirely*? I fail to even see where the bulk of non whites are even going to get anti zionist sentiments from since they aren't going to college.

    *Even if people start criticizing jewish success and influence the same way they do that of white gentiles that's still not antisemitism, that's just being fair.

    The left-wing in Europe, in alliance with the emergence of Muslim politicians (or Muslim pandering politicians like George Galloway) is quite antisemitic (although under the guise of ‘just criticizing Israel’). The result, as seen in the UK, is a shift of the Jewish community to the Conservative Party.

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  136. AM says:
    @utu
    By contrast, in Europe, Jews are considered white.

    Until very recently in most Europe white was not a category. You could live whole life and not once had a thought related to your race. Europeans had zero racial identity. But Jews were Jews as opposed to everybody else who was normal, i.e., Christian. Jews were standing out. With immigrants from exotic places the otherness of Jews diminished on relative scale and the Anglo-American concept of whiteness began to spread. European elites (this include Jews) discovered benefits of American multi-ethnic model.

    You could live whole life and not once had a thought related to your race. Europeans had zero racial identity

    You don’t need a racial identity when everyone around you is the same race. The US had to develop at least a partial one because of our Euro-mutt heritage and the existence of a large population of another race living nearby.

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  137. @Malcolm X-Lax
    The Russian jews who came to America voted Trump? Do we actually have numbers? How'd Brighton Beach vote? The Russian jews I can think of off-hand--Julia Ioffe, Cathy Young, Biana Golodryga--don't strike me as terribly pro-Trump or pro-any of the policies he advocates with regard to immigration.

    The Russian Jews in America are very right-wing. This is evident if you spend five seconds with them, or even on Russian Jewish social media pages such as on facebook. Claiming Julia Ioffe as a representative of the politics of Russian Jews in the US, would be like claiming Ayaan Hirsi Ali as representative of the politics of Muslim Americans.

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    Russian Jewish American community is very right wing. But Russian Jews who managed to achieve any kind of prominence in the media (like Ioffe and others listed) are all cookie-cutter globalibs. Funny how that works.
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  138. notanon says:
    @Art Deco
    Whether or not Arabs are stupid and lazy, they're outnumbered by 13 to 1 in France and (prior to the Merkel invitation) by larger margins elsewhere. Fertility rates in Britain and France are adequate. If the governments in both loci get off their duffs and fix the immigration regime, any problems coming from the Muslim minority will be contained.

    Whether or not Arabs are stupid and lazy, they’re outnumbered by 13 to 1 in France and (prior to the Merkel invitation) by larger margins elsewhere.

    1) no they’re not

    2) no they’re not even more among the young

    3) no they’re not even more than that among the young in the big cities

    the predicted civil war has begun and the people trying to lull westerners to sleep are still singing their poisonous song

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    1) no they’re not

    Yes they are. Pew's estimate is 3.5 million out of a population of more than 60 million.

    http://www.pewforum.org/2009/10/07/mapping-the-global-muslim-population14/
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  139. Orthodox Jews DO serve, enthusiastically, in the Israeli army; it’s the so-called “ultra-Orthodox” who don’t.

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  140. notanon says:
    @Art Deco
    The French census enumerators do not collect that data. The source of French immigrants is the Maghreb, wherein people reproduce at just above the replacement rate. In the U.S., whites, orientals and East Indians, and tribal-roll Indians have a tfr of 1.8. Blacks have a tfr of 2.1. Hispanics have a high tfr (3.9), but their source countries have rates near replacement level. My wage would be that high fertility among Hispanics lasts one generation.

    The source of French immigrants is the Maghreb, wherein people reproduce at just above the replacement rate.

    this is bogus cos

    1) welfare
    2) immigrants are disproportionately in the 18-30 age group

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  141. @neutral
    On the topic of the Jungle vs Jihad, I believe the Jungle will win. The first reason is obviously the overwhelming population numbers they will have. Other reasons are that the Jungle is more of a natural fit to the current pop culture age, along with the fact that there are no more sacrosanct people in all of history than Mandela and MLK. Regarding where they overlap, I believe that the racial identity politics will take precedence over the religious identity politics.

    This is why I have always felt the people talking about a Eurabia are wrong, what the future will be is an Ali G type underclass that is crass and uncultured but completely compliant to the overlord SJW types at Google and Facebook (since they and not governments will ultimately rule).

    When have blacks EVER dominated non-blacks, in any society at any point in history? Black prominence in pop culture is ENTIRELY a gift from the Jewish dominated entertainment industry to blacks.

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    "When have blacks EVER dominated non-blacks, in any society at any point in history?"

    The Hatian Revolution.

    Also, the genetics of Madagascar are mostly African paternally and mostly Asian maternally, which implies some form of sexual dominance by black males.
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  142. @LondonBob
    Of course the growing Muslim population is an issue and the odious likes of Pamela Geller excreta have been plying their trade extensively here but I think the current Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, is the outcome sought. He was well funded by the Jewish community and has done what he was told, Muslim immigrants are animated a lot more by issues other than dislike of Jews and Palestine, indeed Palestine is relatively unimportant. Noteworthy that very few terror attacks have been directed at Jewish targets, ignore the kvetching. The aim remains a housebroken form of Islam, with dutiful leaders like Khan, and indeed a somewhat restive Muslim population plays well as propaganda for Israel's increasingly harsh treatment of the Palestinians (that a lot of Palestinians are Christian goes unmentioned).

    Arab Christians are tiny minority both in Israel and in the West Bank. The Arab Christians in Israel and in the West Bank (with negligible numbers in Gaza), simply react to the politics of their neighbours, as is typical of minority groups in the Middle East (where doing so is a matter of survival).

    Those Arab Christians who live in majority Jewish areas of Israel, are actually pro-Israel (sometimes more than Jews). This was true of the group from the Galilee and Haifa, who led the successful campaign to relist Arab Christians as Arameans on nationality documents in 2015.

    Those Arab Christians who live in areas of Israel and the West Bank in which Muslims are majority, are anti-Israel (often more so than Muslims), as this is part of the strategy of co-existing with their neighbours.

    There’s very little independent thought in this, as Christians represent less than 10% of Arabs in Israel and only 1% of Arabs in the West Bank.

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  143. @Anonymouse
    Simon in London writes "American Jews individually deeply resent white gentiles being a majority in the West.

    Individually Jews want immigration to displace the white gentiles, . . ."

    A classic case of projection. Simon deeply resents Jews. American jews intermarriage rate is 58%. So Simon is talking out his posterior.

    Simon in London did not write that.

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    My mistake. The commenter was Sean, not Simon of London.
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  144. @27 year old
    >What will more likely happen is Arabs forcing whites to convert,


    This reminds me of a comment I read on iSteve a while back about the true nightmare scenario for Europe: an "integrated" Islamic Germany. Muslims have a tremendous advantage in their ideology (basically, rape and subjugate everyone), but they've been held back by their low IQ, laziness a general worthlessness of their genes. But if the migrants successfully "integrate" (which means - interbreed) with Germans, we could see Islamic ideology running on efficient high IQ German hardware. Which, well, best not to think about.

    There’s a famous quote from Hitler on this subject:

    “Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers [...] then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world.”[5]

    According to Speer, Hitler stated in private, “The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?”

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    Hitler was convinced that the Arab conquerors could not have survived in the climate of the north, leaving the German new Muslims largely racially intact. Of course, the descendants of those Arabs are currently dispelling that thesis quite handily up in Sweden, and the notion that Germans could have long remained an intelligent and industrious "master race" A. without the Catholic prohibition on consanguineous marriages to the fourth degree AND B. with the Mohammedan encouragement of first-cousin marriages (over 60% in some countries and over 50% among Pakis in Britain) is simply idiotic on the face of it.
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  145. notanon says:
    @Art Deco
    But I can’t really see US Jews “losing control of the media”, as Silverman put it

    The position in American media and entertainment of corporations owned and / or managed by Jews was at its peak around about 1945. They've lost most of what they ever had. (And a number of prominent Jews in media were quite assimilationist in their conduct and outlook - Eugene Meyer, Wm. Paley, Grant Tinker, and clan Sulzberger to name a few).

    your lies are so ridiculous they have the opposite effect to the one you intend

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  146. Lot says:
    @Anon
    What does it matter if the 'left' has problem winning elections?

    With 'conservatives' like May & Merkel and with 'centrists' like Macron, who needs the Right in Europe?
    They are all globalist crazy. The 'right' in Europe is meaningless and totally cucked. As for the real right, like LePen, they never seem to win anything.

    In the struggle between Jihad and Jungle, the latter will win because black Africa has the highest birthrates and keep coming and because white women got jungle fever.

    Jihad beat jungle in Sudan.

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    Jihad beat jungle in Sudan.
     
    Kind of a wash, in that case.
    , @Anon
    Jihad beat jungle in Sudan.

    Janjuid are 'culturally' Arab but mostly black. Their Islam is primitive and thuggish. So, it was jungle Muslims vs jungle animists vs jungle Christians. Look at black Christian culture in the US. It's all hollering and dancing.

    Also, it was no-holds-barred in Sudan. No rule of law. So, better-organized groups could better use extreme violence to destroy the enemy.

    Not so in the EU where guns are proscribed and where rule of law does apply. So, Arabs cannot fight in ISIS or Janjuid manner in EU, terrorist attacks notwithstanding.

    In EU, it's Arab individuals with fists vs blacks with fists. Blacks will win. Also, blacks will conquer more white wombs.
    , @snorlax
    Well, Sudan would be my go-to example of jungle beating jihad; the "Arab" Sudanese were repeatedly handed humiliating defeats with their only saving grace being that it wasn't a total loss; the Christian blacks weren't quite able to completely conquer and/or dismember the country.
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  147. notanon says:
    @Jimi
    Growing up in NYC as a non-white, notion that Jews are honorary people of color seems ridiculous to me.

    All the Jews I know are more pale-skinned than the average white, wealthier than the average white, more bookish than the average white and eat blander than the average white.

    In other words Jews are the whitest of all the white people we know!

    yeah – a lot of them see themselves as non-white and a lot of nationalists see them as non-white (or half white) but everyone else sees them as white

    a lot of the videos of people getting beat up by antifa are confused looking Jewish guys

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  148. Lot says:
    @Anonymous

    (that a lot of Palestinians are Christian goes unmentioned).
     
    That's a myth, the real numbers are negligible. The pre-Israel Middle East was not a conviviencia of pluralism*. Sharia law constantly whittles down the number of non-Muslims in a society.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Christians

    *Al-Andalus is also a myth

    All true. The only safe place for Christians in the middle east is Israel and a slowly shrinking part of Lebanon.

    The PLO tries to play up the small Arab Christian minority. But the real feelings of Middle East muslims toward middle east Christians was shown by the genocide of Armenians, Greeks, and Assyrians 100 years ago (about two million murdered or starved to death, even more expelled from their ancestral lands with nothing but their clothes on their back); the growing violence against Copts in Egypt, and the murder and enslavement of 300,000 Christians in Iraq and Syria by ISIS and other Sunni groups.

    The Kurds were also major players in the Turkish genocides of its ancient Christian minorities.

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  149. @Simon in London
    Simon in London did not write that.

    My mistake. The commenter was Sean, not Simon of London.

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  150. notanon says:
    @Anon
    Jewish leftism is not going to disappear so easily. The problem is that when leftist Jews marry gentiles, they marry very leftist gentiles. Their kids are raised like red diaper babies, who then perpetuate more extreme leftism.

    The only way leftist ideology is going to disappear is either because 1) The left has fewer children than the right, which is happening among the higher classes, but not the lower, where the reverse is true, or 2) Being leftwing carries an economic penalty that makes you poor. But there's a staggering amount of money in our econonomic system that's being shunted towards the left, so there is no penalty. Rich leftists get inheritances, trust funds, donations to their foundations, etc. Upper-middle and middle-class leftists get grants, student loans, and access to elite colleges where they make contacts who can get them high-paying jobs. Poor leftists get welfare, ebt, bank loans to buy houses and cars, etc.

    Our current economic system is set up to reward the left for doing absolutely nothing. Unless we dismantle this system, the right doesn't have a chance. We need to get rid of welfare and quit giving grants and student loans to leftist students.

    Jewish leftism is not going to disappear so easily. The problem is that when leftist Jews marry gentiles, they marry very leftist gentiles.

    more interestingly from an hbd point of view a lot of the previous generation (woody allen era) seemed to want to marry the ultra pathological altruist type of wasp – which if you believe behavior is part genetic must have created a very weird mix among the kids.

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  151. fred. oy says:

    It’s a strange way to define the left when you say the left has little power in
    Europe, which has been run by the left since, oh, forever.

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  152. Lot says:

    My short analysis:

    Right wing antisemites in Europe and the USA as a group are small, weak, poor, disorganized, stupid and very unpopular. The left tries to scare Jews with them, but the number of Jews killed by right wing antisemites in the entire West most years is ZERO, and in the past 50 years under 100 total. More Jews die from random NAM street violence, probably by a factor of 200 or more.

    Left wing BDSers really are not antisemites for the most part. Rather, left wing BDS is really just hatred of whites generally. Israel is the focus of left wing antiwhite hate because it is the only place in the entire world where whites are growing demographically at the expense of non whites. Every other white country in the world, more than 50 of them, is rapidly dying out due to fertility far below replacement plus third world invadors. At current trends Israel will be the only country in the entire world with a larger white population in 2040 than it does today. And virtually all of Western Europe/Anglosphere will have a non-white majority of under 40s.

    Trump and Putin may defy the left’s antiwhite line with their words. And that is better than nothing, and earns them the hate of the left. But neither have actually stopped much less reversed white demographic decline. Every single year of Putin’s long tenure Russia’s non elderly white population declined and its Muslim population increased. Every single year of Trump’s presidency the non elderly white population of the USA will also decline while its African and Muslim population grows.

    Israel is the only government in the world that is securing its borders and making white children for the future. That, not any animus specific to Jews, is why the left of the entire world wants to destroy it.

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    "hello first graders"
    A lovely photo , thanks for sharing
    , @anonymous
    Israel doesn't have Chuck Schumer in the Knesset.
    , @Anonymous

    Israel is the only government in the world that is securing its borders and making white children for the future.
     
    By this standard, Turkey and other Mideastern countries would be examples of a country " that is securing its borders and making white children for the future."

    "White" really refers to indigenous Europeans i.e. people of Celtic, Germanic, Slavic, Latin, etc. stock.
    , @Simon in London
    I 90% agree. There is some anti-Jewish feeling on the non-Muslim Left here in UK, Jews seen as rich capitalists, bourgeois etc. I think Ken Livingstone types do feel that way. But the general tone is anti-white and Israel in particular is hated as a successful 'white' State, not for its Jewishness.
    , @AnotherDad

    Every single year of Trump’s presidency the non elderly white population of the USA will also decline while its African and Muslim population grows.
     
    Depressingly true.

    It's already clear that despite the immense powers of the Presidency and Trump's bombast and disdain for orthodoxy, we're going to get very, very little positive out of this Trump thing. The main win is avoiding the damage the beast would have done, and the education the (highly Jewish) anti-Trump hysteria is providing to white normies.
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  153. Anonym says:
    @Carneades
    Horse shit.

    https://pics.me.me/presid-t-tu-david-levy-president-cnn-jef-zucker-chief-22673178.png

    Interesting chart.

    Cosher News Network just provides a central conduit for the Tikkun Olam to flow through, nothing to see here, move along. Lol

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  154. The Alt Right is too Dumb for Genetics (and Maths)

    “Race Realists” BTFO. Go back to playing video games in your parents basement.

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    it's nonsense but it's probably increasing hbd awareness so it's all good
    , @candid_observer
    Lame.

    As if the points in this video (at least the ones I had the patience to watch) hadn't been answered a hundred times over already.

    If you got something, show it. Otherwise, shut up.

    , @Peter Johnson
    Did someone listen to this PC-dogmatic drivel and find themselves scientifically convinced? If so, they have no wisdom about how to interpret statistical data from a scientific perspective. This video gives a dogmatic ideology posing as scientific thinking.
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  155. inertial says:
    @Dmitry134564
    The Russian Jews in America are very right-wing. This is evident if you spend five seconds with them, or even on Russian Jewish social media pages such as on facebook. Claiming Julia Ioffe as a representative of the politics of Russian Jews in the US, would be like claiming Ayaan Hirsi Ali as representative of the politics of Muslim Americans.

    Russian Jewish American community is very right wing. But Russian Jews who managed to achieve any kind of prominence in the media (like Ioffe and others listed) are all cookie-cutter globalibs. Funny how that works.

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  156. A guy says:
    @Lot
    My short analysis:

    Right wing antisemites in Europe and the USA as a group are small, weak, poor, disorganized, stupid and very unpopular. The left tries to scare Jews with them, but the number of Jews killed by right wing antisemites in the entire West most years is ZERO, and in the past 50 years under 100 total. More Jews die from random NAM street violence, probably by a factor of 200 or more.

    Left wing BDSers really are not antisemites for the most part. Rather, left wing BDS is really just hatred of whites generally. Israel is the focus of left wing antiwhite hate because it is the only place in the entire world where whites are growing demographically at the expense of non whites. Every other white country in the world, more than 50 of them, is rapidly dying out due to fertility far below replacement plus third world invadors. At current trends Israel will be the only country in the entire world with a larger white population in 2040 than it does today. And virtually all of Western Europe/Anglosphere will have a non-white majority of under 40s.

    Trump and Putin may defy the left's antiwhite line with their words. And that is better than nothing, and earns them the hate of the left. But neither have actually stopped much less reversed white demographic decline. Every single year of Putin's long tenure Russia's non elderly white population declined and its Muslim population increased. Every single year of Trump's presidency the non elderly white population of the USA will also decline while its African and Muslim population grows.

    Israel is the only government in the world that is securing its borders and making white children for the future. That, not any animus specific to Jews, is why the left of the entire world wants to destroy it.

    http://bennorton.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/netanyahu-school.jpg

    “hello first graders”
    A lovely photo , thanks for sharing

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  157. notanon says:
    @Classical Liberal
    The Alt Right is too Dumb for Genetics (and Maths)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeCdH4yZ6sM&t=420s

    "Race Realists" BTFO. Go back to playing video games in your parents basement.

    it’s nonsense but it’s probably increasing hbd awareness so it’s all good

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  158. Thomas says:
    @Art Deco
    Let me know when you think the Palestinians are going to have their moment in Hollywood, and Deir Yassin will get its “Detroit” or “The Promise.”

    Why would the Arab population on the West Bank or the Gaza Strip or living in UNRWA camps in Lebanon have some sort of 'moment'? They're not all that numerous (how many films do you see about Singapore?) and it's a challenge to construct an appealing narrative around them unless you pretty much ignore public affairs. Deir Yassin and the U.S.S. Liberty were wartime episodes which are intensely interesting to people who resent and despise Jews, not to ordinary people.

    The influence and heavy presence of Jews (2% of the US population) in the culture demonstrates how little numerosity tends to weigh in getting a showcase for one’s parochial cultural fixations. (Even the Armenians got their Hollywood movie for their genocide, probably because there were just enough of them in the Los Angeles area who wouldn’t shut up about it. Emmett Till might be getting 3 movies in the near future.) And the OP presumes a definite motivation towards solidarity with the Palestinians among European leftists, with American leftists maybe a generation or two behind.

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    Why no solidarity from the left for
    :Papuans ,20x as many killed than Palestinian and 70 x more land occupied ?should receive 70x the media attention, solidarity and outrage as well ?
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  159. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I thought this topic (American vs. Euro Jews) had been flogged on to sheol long ago… The basic outline as I recall is that the Amero-Jews descend disproportionately from shtetl hicks or red-millenarian radicals fleeing pogroms at the end of the 19th century. Once these got to the U.S. they replicated their home communities, watched a lot of Dodgers games, then had success in the beeper-store business or whatever. Whereas “fancy” Jews were always less overtly religious, more bourgeois, more Amy Wax-ian in outlook, and very invested in maneuvering the social niceties of Mitteleuropa. They wrote novels and so forth. For obvious historical reasons, there aren’t many of this latter group still around.

    Your guy quoted above is wrong on a few points (Sephardic Jews are far more traditionalist and family-valuing than Ashkenazi anywhere in the West) but it is true what he marks about the higher sanctity of Palestinian plight over there. It’s like a night/day difference. In America you have Jews who believe they are soul brothers of Negroes in the perpetual civil rights struggle; in Ireland you have red-nosed micks who think they are Pallie Pals waging righteous vengeance on Zionists. This is in reference to the lengthy Jewish occupation of Hibernia lol.

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  160. A guy says:
    @Thomas
    The influence and heavy presence of Jews (2% of the US population) in the culture demonstrates how little numerosity tends to weigh in getting a showcase for one's parochial cultural fixations. (Even the Armenians got their Hollywood movie for their genocide, probably because there were just enough of them in the Los Angeles area who wouldn't shut up about it. Emmett Till might be getting 3 movies in the near future.) And the OP presumes a definite motivation towards solidarity with the Palestinians among European leftists, with American leftists maybe a generation or two behind.

    Why no solidarity from the left for
    :Papuans ,20x as many killed than Palestinian and 70 x more land occupied ?should receive 70x the media attention, solidarity and outrage as well ?

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  161. @Thea
    I think the distinction between left and right is gone. Now it us just ruling class vs the outsiders.

    May is part of the same ruling class as Blair. Calling her right is a stretch.

    Blair is posher than May, by some distance, in the middle-middle-class milieu they spring from. State-schooled, grammar school girl in a school which turned into the local comp, capped off with a Second in Geog. She’s practically a ‘counter-jumper’ in comparison to People’s Tribune Blair, strictly Margaret Hilda Roberts-tier.
    Oh and she actually believes in God and Jesus, which should hold her back even more as a politician, but not as a human being, unlike Tony Mephistopheles.

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  162. “The Anglo-American tradition is the global aberration and ruthless censorship is the human norm.”

    Long live America as a global aberration.

    And hopefully, the Czechs follow up with their version of another American aberration:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-01/2nd-amendment-comes-europe-czech-republic-enshrine-right-bear-arms-constitution

    The 2nd Amendment Comes To Europe: Czech Republic To Enshrine Right To Bear Arms Into Constitution

    Czech Lawmakers have passed legislation in the lower parliament that would see the right to bear firearms enshrined in the country’s constitution in a move directed against tighter regulations from the European Union.

    The legislation was passed with 139 deputies agreeing to the amendment to the constitution with only nine deputies voting against. The amendment will now be considered by the Czech Senate where it will require a supermajority of three-fifths of the members in order to pass into law, Die Presse reports.

    Similar to the U.S. second amendment to the Constitution, which gives Americans the right to keep and bear arms, the Czech legislation reads: “Citizens of the Czech Republic have the right to acquire, retain and bear arms and ammunition.”

    The amendment also notes that the right is there to ensure the safety of the country, similar to the provision of a “well-regulated militia” in the American amendment.

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    Make that America alone is the aberration.

    There is nothing approaching the right to bear arms in Canada, Australia, U.K. or New Zealand. Free speech was always held back by tough libel laws. Still, the U.K. was more liberal than the Continent in the 19th century.

    But as the marvellous gift of "diversity" gets more and more entrenched in the U.K., free speech isn't doing well.

    You can go to jail for making "racist" or "Islamophobic" comments to an affected minority member.

    It's weakening in Canada. More Islam-pandering.

    Canadian bloggers are also responsible for their reader's comments. That was a new precedent about two years ago.

    The Unz site would likely be impossible in Canada.

    The Czechs can more liberal because diversity hasn't come there yet.
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  163. Jay Fink says:

    As a right wing Jew it sounds like I belong in Europe. I do wonder though if American Jews are slowly becoming more conservative? I saw some exit polls of the last election and several groups, including Asians,voted for Hillary in greater percentages than Jews. One exit poll actually found the majority of married Jewish men voted for Donald Trump. While the sample size might have been small for that poll I would guess a group like single white mothers are more liberal than Jewish people are.

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    One exit poll actually found the majority of married Jewish men voted for Donald Trump.
     
    There's little doubt that ordinary Jews are at least a bit more sane than the Jewish commentariat.

    And if you're going to find Jewish sanity on "the national question", it's going to come from married-with-children men. That's the demo that's both more rational and has a visceral stake in the future, so more likely to think about long term consequences.

    Still it's remarkable that a group with a clear IQ advantage, behaves the way they do. Waving in muslims? That's just letting spite get the better of judgment. If you're not going to make aliyah, would you rather be part of the elite of a nation that looks like the US of 1960 or 2060? Seems pretty dang obvious to me. And that's assuming you get to be the nation's elite in 2060. The muslims and the Asians may complicate that picture a bit.
    , @Karl
    146 Jay Fink > As a right wing Jew it sounds like I belong in Israel

    fixed it for you.

    even lower-middle-class people here travel abroad once or twice a year. So you can still guzzle German beer in Thailand with Germans.

    Hebrew itself is becoming REALLY anglo-ized. Nowadays you are "on line" to meet a girl for a "blind date"

    You should fit right in. Hell if you move to Bet Shemesh, you might think you're still in Queens
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  164. @Classical Liberal
    The Alt Right is too Dumb for Genetics (and Maths)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeCdH4yZ6sM&t=420s

    "Race Realists" BTFO. Go back to playing video games in your parents basement.

    Lame.

    As if the points in this video (at least the ones I had the patience to watch) hadn’t been answered a hundred times over already.

    If you got something, show it. Otherwise, shut up.

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  165. @Art Deco
    Let me know when you think the Palestinians are going to have their moment in Hollywood, and Deir Yassin will get its “Detroit” or “The Promise.”

    Why would the Arab population on the West Bank or the Gaza Strip or living in UNRWA camps in Lebanon have some sort of 'moment'? They're not all that numerous (how many films do you see about Singapore?) and it's a challenge to construct an appealing narrative around them unless you pretty much ignore public affairs. Deir Yassin and the U.S.S. Liberty were wartime episodes which are intensely interesting to people who resent and despise Jews, not to ordinary people.

    “…U.S.S. Liberty was wartime episode which is intensely interesting to people who resent and despise Jews, not to ordinary people…”

    Your artsy decorated ‘splaination and sentiment are shared with the majority of your countrymen:

    BTW, should bored identity count U.S.S. Liberty survivors as the people who resent and despise Jews, or just as ordinary people being collateral damage in Operation Cyanide?

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  166. @Bragadocious
    The rise of Trump surprised those of us familiar with European politics a lot less than it did Americans with an insular worldview.

    Oh really? Is that why Paddy Power paid off on a Hillary win before the election had even taken place? (Gotta love that legendary Irish financial acumen). Or why all of the press coverage in European papers leading up to Nov. 8 could basically be filed under "this election is a lock?" Truth is, Trump's victory stunned them way more than it did for "insular" Americans like myself, as I could see with my own eyes that the Clinton/Kaine storefront one block from my home was a ghost town with no foot traffic or enthusiasm.

    Thanks for the put-down however. If there's one thing the world loves it's a non-insular Paddy shooting his mouth off.

    They paid off on the bet because it was really cheap advertising.

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  167. @Lot
    Jihad beat jungle in Sudan.

    Jihad beat jungle in Sudan.

    Kind of a wash, in that case.

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  169. Why Are European Jews to the Right of American Jews?

    Roughly …

    1) Muslims
    Different coalitions of the fringes.

    2) Jewish dominance in America.
    More Jews in America and their dominance in media, finance, academia, government. They are thoroughly enmeshed with the levels of power, including especially state power. And the “state party” in the US–the Democrats–is their party.

    There’s a few subtexts to this–white Protestant philosemitism, “republic of nice”, holocaust industry–they’ve established a very comfortable and secure position where any criticism can be denounced and punished. If you are “the state”, there’s little reason to be in the state suspicious party, beyond “taxes”.

    3) Pale of Settlement.
    Most US Jews have their roots in Imperial Russia. Limited to the Pale of Settlement, Jews–richer and hence with a higher population expansion–simply outbred their traditional trading and rent seeking occupations and had to actually return to the land (e.g. Fiddler on the Roof style peasantry). This had them out of their merely unpleasant middle man minority gig but rather directly pushing out and directly competing/in-conflict with the host gentile population on the land, and of course led predictably to anti-Jewish violence. (No one gives up their territory voluntarily … at least no one until the thoroughly cucked white gentiles of the West today.) Ergo the Russian Jews had a much more directly hostile attitude toward gentiles–and were steeped in anti-tsarist left wing politics.

    1st generation–glad we got the heck outta there!
    2nd generation–bastards kept my dad out of the country club, we’ll show ‘em
    3rd generation–those damn Nazis with their pickup trucks, gun racks and Confederate flags ought to be sent to the gulag! We’ll import Mexicans, Asians and Africans until they drown in diversity!

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  170. Somewhat OT from

    The American Consumers Newsletter by Cheryl Russell, Editorial Director, New Strategist Press

    Which you can sign up for free here: http://www.newstrategist.com/

    BET YOU DIDN’T KNOW

    Change in the fertility rate (number of births per 1,000 women aged 15 to 44) by race and Hispanic origin, 2000 to 2015:
    Asian: -11%
    Black: -10%
    Hispanic: -25%
    Non-Hispanic White: +1%

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  171. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The Eskimos are 1 step ahead of you. Having created a leftist ‘monster’ that has slipped it’s leash and gone on a rabidly anti-white rampage, they are now in the process of getting themselves formally recognized as ‘Asian’ instead of whites. You can see their whiteness questioned across major media sources, and many millenial Eskimos refer to themselves as Asian.

    Makes you wonder if the increasing recognition of Asians as a victim group and the push for Affirmative action penalties against Asians to end are a result of this.

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    "Eskimos" are phenotypically European, and I don't think most of them want to be thought of as non-white. That would entail consequences the left would consider undesirable, and Jews tend to be left-wing. For one, if Jews were no longer considered white, everyone would have to acknowledge that Euro-Americans aren't nearly as dominant as the left had previously told everybody, and that might cause white people to reject the idea of white privilege. In addition to that, Jewish people wouldn't be able to "hide" amongst white gentiles; their overrepresentation might get a little unwanted attention.

    None of that is worth affirmative action.
    , @Anonymous
    Maybe this is why transracialism is being actively denied to everyone else- because they are doing it themselves. Seems to be a signature characteristic: carry out X behavior, use your media arms to keep it on the down low when your group is actively does it, but make a big noise about anyone from any other group doing it (even though they are doing less of it than your group), and condemn these people as being horrible, terrible, deplorable unpeople.
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  172. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Lot
    My short analysis:

    Right wing antisemites in Europe and the USA as a group are small, weak, poor, disorganized, stupid and very unpopular. The left tries to scare Jews with them, but the number of Jews killed by right wing antisemites in the entire West most years is ZERO, and in the past 50 years under 100 total. More Jews die from random NAM street violence, probably by a factor of 200 or more.

    Left wing BDSers really are not antisemites for the most part. Rather, left wing BDS is really just hatred of whites generally. Israel is the focus of left wing antiwhite hate because it is the only place in the entire world where whites are growing demographically at the expense of non whites. Every other white country in the world, more than 50 of them, is rapidly dying out due to fertility far below replacement plus third world invadors. At current trends Israel will be the only country in the entire world with a larger white population in 2040 than it does today. And virtually all of Western Europe/Anglosphere will have a non-white majority of under 40s.

    Trump and Putin may defy the left's antiwhite line with their words. And that is better than nothing, and earns them the hate of the left. But neither have actually stopped much less reversed white demographic decline. Every single year of Putin's long tenure Russia's non elderly white population declined and its Muslim population increased. Every single year of Trump's presidency the non elderly white population of the USA will also decline while its African and Muslim population grows.

    Israel is the only government in the world that is securing its borders and making white children for the future. That, not any animus specific to Jews, is why the left of the entire world wants to destroy it.

    http://bennorton.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/netanyahu-school.jpg

    Israel doesn’t have Chuck Schumer in the Knesset.

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  173. Anon says: • Website • Disclaimer
    @Lot
    Jihad beat jungle in Sudan.

    Jihad beat jungle in Sudan.

    Janjuid are ‘culturally’ Arab but mostly black. Their Islam is primitive and thuggish. So, it was jungle Muslims vs jungle animists vs jungle Christians. Look at black Christian culture in the US. It’s all hollering and dancing.

    Also, it was no-holds-barred in Sudan. No rule of law. So, better-organized groups could better use extreme violence to destroy the enemy.

    Not so in the EU where guns are proscribed and where rule of law does apply. So, Arabs cannot fight in ISIS or Janjuid manner in EU, terrorist attacks notwithstanding.

    In EU, it’s Arab individuals with fists vs blacks with fists. Blacks will win. Also, blacks will conquer more white wombs.

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    In EU, it’s Arab individuals with fists vs blacks with fists. Blacks will win.
     
    nonsense as always - it will be knives and machetes and Somali muslims will win cos their combo of high psychopathy + clannishness is ideal for small scale gang violence - it's already happening

    (white gangs vs black gangs in europe was fists vs knives - cos the white gangs had lower level of psychopathy - that's why they lost)
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  174. Anon says: • Website • Disclaimer
    @reiner Tor
    I agree that the "Right" in Europe is totally useless, but I don't think Jungle would win against Jihad, if for no other reason than because there's a considerable overlap between the two. Arabs have also traditionally dominated blacks under most circumstances. Their birthrates are I think usually higher, too. I cannot imagine blacks dominating the scene.

    What will more likely happen is Arabs forcing whites to convert, at which point white elites might regain the initiative. What edge or ideological cohesion do Arabs have over, say, second generation white Muslim converts? Islam loses its potency against fellow Muslims.

    Arabs have also traditionally dominated blacks under most circumstances. Their birthrates are I think usually higher, too. I cannot imagine blacks dominating the scene.

    No, black African birthrates are highest in the world whereas Arab, Persian, and Turkish birthrates have been leveling off.

    Also in the past, Arabs dominated Africans for the same reason whites ruled over blacks once. They were ruthless, organized, and aggressive. Arabs felt no guilt about what they did. They used any-means-necessary to defeat and enslave blacks who were primitive and backward. And whites had same advantage over blacks. In the past, whites were willing to use any amount of violence to beat blacks. Look at the movie ZULU. Or, look how whites reacted to slave uprisings in the past. Consider how blacks accused of rape were treated. But once those legal and social advantages were taken away from whites, blacks have totally dominated whites in crime, violence, and sex. Blacks routinely beat up whites, as detailed by Colin Flaherty. And most mulattoes are now kids of black men and white women.

    Same will apply to Arabs in Europe. In the old days, Arabs could use ruthless means against blacks. But in EU, blacks got the same rights and same protection under law. So, Arabs have NO advantage over blacks in those areas. But blacks have advantage in muscle. So, blacks will kick Arabs. Also, as black African birthrate is so high, blacks will keep coming. And EU is actually aiding this black takeover.

    Now, if whites or Arabs were to take their gloves off and fight a race war against blacks, blacks will lose badly. Though one-on-one, a black can whup a white or Arab, whites and Arabs are more intelligent, more civilized, and more capable of organized action. As such, blacks will lose in no time.

    But whites are under ‘white guilt’ and cuck mentality vis-a-vis the Negro. Incredibly, white kids are raised to admire Jack Johnson, the man who whupped white guys and conquered white women.

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  175. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Lot
    My short analysis:

    Right wing antisemites in Europe and the USA as a group are small, weak, poor, disorganized, stupid and very unpopular. The left tries to scare Jews with them, but the number of Jews killed by right wing antisemites in the entire West most years is ZERO, and in the past 50 years under 100 total. More Jews die from random NAM street violence, probably by a factor of 200 or more.

    Left wing BDSers really are not antisemites for the most part. Rather, left wing BDS is really just hatred of whites generally. Israel is the focus of left wing antiwhite hate because it is the only place in the entire world where whites are growing demographically at the expense of non whites. Every other white country in the world, more than 50 of them, is rapidly dying out due to fertility far below replacement plus third world invadors. At current trends Israel will be the only country in the entire world with a larger white population in 2040 than it does today. And virtually all of Western Europe/Anglosphere will have a non-white majority of under 40s.

    Trump and Putin may defy the left's antiwhite line with their words. And that is better than nothing, and earns them the hate of the left. But neither have actually stopped much less reversed white demographic decline. Every single year of Putin's long tenure Russia's non elderly white population declined and its Muslim population increased. Every single year of Trump's presidency the non elderly white population of the USA will also decline while its African and Muslim population grows.

    Israel is the only government in the world that is securing its borders and making white children for the future. That, not any animus specific to Jews, is why the left of the entire world wants to destroy it.

    http://bennorton.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/netanyahu-school.jpg

    Israel is the only government in the world that is securing its borders and making white children for the future.

    By this standard, Turkey and other Mideastern countries would be examples of a country ” that is securing its borders and making white children for the future.”

    “White” really refers to indigenous Europeans i.e. people of Celtic, Germanic, Slavic, Latin, etc. stock.

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    I wish boring retards could just pick a nym so they can be added to the ignore list.

    Unless your normal username is your actual name and you want cover for a single post, there is no excuse for disrespecting other readers and posting as anon. If you are not creative just go with "anon73627" or something.
    , @Anon
    "Jews are not White people".
    http://jewishjournal.com/opinion/219376/jews-not-white-people-jews-support-left-response-dennis-prager/
    , @Simon in London
    I definitely think the anti-white Left count Israel as white and count Turkey as non-white, whatever the respective genetics. They do treat whiteness as a social construct to that extent - Israeli culture is largely European. They don't know or care about Turks & Turkish culture.
    , @utu
    making white children for the future

    The construct "white" is foreign and meaningless to Jews. Jews may admit that they walk on two legs like other hominids but it does not mean they ever think they have anything to do this broader categories among human races. Jewishness transcend all categories. The correct phrase would be: making JEWISH children for the future

    Alt-right hopes to find allies among some Jews that are actually sometimes egged on by some Jewish interests are false.
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  176. Stealth says:
    @Anonymous
    The Eskimos are 1 step ahead of you. Having created a leftist 'monster' that has slipped it's leash and gone on a rabidly anti-white rampage, they are now in the process of getting themselves formally recognized as 'Asian' instead of whites. You can see their whiteness questioned across major media sources, and many millenial Eskimos refer to themselves as Asian.

    Makes you wonder if the increasing recognition of Asians as a victim group and the push for Affirmative action penalties against Asians to end are a result of this.

    “Eskimos” are phenotypically European, and I don’t think most of them want to be thought of as non-white. That would entail consequences the left would consider undesirable, and Jews tend to be left-wing. For one, if Jews were no longer considered white, everyone would have to acknowledge that Euro-Americans aren’t nearly as dominant as the left had previously told everybody, and that might cause white people to reject the idea of white privilege. In addition to that, Jewish people wouldn’t be able to “hide” amongst white gentiles; their overrepresentation might get a little unwanted attention.

    None of that is worth affirmative action.

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  177. Lex says:
    @Old Palo Altan
    Some ten or twelve years ago I went round an auction house in Wiesbaden. Many of the items about to be auctioned off were militaria, much of it from the Third Reich.
    I laughed (and was hushed) when I remarked that every single swastika, however small, was covered over with a piece of plain paper.

    Of course this po-faced idiocy made the mysterious symbols more rather than less conspicuous.

    Grow up Germans. Grow up, or die.

    It’s almost as silly as Americans saying “N-word”.

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  178. @Joe Stalin
    "The Anglo-American tradition is the global aberration and ruthless censorship is the human norm."

    Long live America as a global aberration.

    And hopefully, the Czechs follow up with their version of another American aberration:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-01/2nd-amendment-comes-europe-czech-republic-enshrine-right-bear-arms-constitution

    The 2nd Amendment Comes To Europe: Czech Republic To Enshrine Right To Bear Arms Into Constitution

    Czech Lawmakers have passed legislation in the lower parliament that would see the right to bear firearms enshrined in the country’s constitution in a move directed against tighter regulations from the European Union.

    The legislation was passed with 139 deputies agreeing to the amendment to the constitution with only nine deputies voting against. The amendment will now be considered by the Czech Senate where it will require a supermajority of three-fifths of the members in order to pass into law, Die Presse reports.

    Similar to the U.S. second amendment to the Constitution, which gives Americans the right to keep and bear arms, the Czech legislation reads: “Citizens of the Czech Republic have the right to acquire, retain and bear arms and ammunition.”

    The amendment also notes that the right is there to ensure the safety of the country, similar to the provision of a “well-regulated militia” in the American amendment.

    Make that America alone is the aberration.

    There is nothing approaching the right to bear arms in Canada, Australia, U.K. or New Zealand. Free speech was always held back by tough libel laws. Still, the U.K. was more liberal than the Continent in the 19th century.

    But as the marvellous gift of “diversity” gets more and more entrenched in the U.K., free speech isn’t doing well.

    You can go to jail for making “racist” or “Islamophobic” comments to an affected minority member.

    It’s weakening in Canada. More Islam-pandering.

    Canadian bloggers are also responsible for their reader’s comments. That was a new precedent about two years ago.

    The Unz site would likely be impossible in Canada.

    The Czechs can more liberal because diversity hasn’t come there yet.

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  179. @Art Deco
    Whether or not Arabs are stupid and lazy, they're outnumbered by 13 to 1 in France and (prior to the Merkel invitation) by larger margins elsewhere. Fertility rates in Britain and France are adequate. If the governments in both loci get off their duffs and fix the immigration regime, any problems coming from the Muslim minority will be contained.

    I disagree. I’ve been following Islam in Europe carefully.

    The percentage of the population that is Muslim in the U.K. is age-related, it’s highest amongst young children.

    Nobody else (apparently even migrants that aren’t Muslim) is having enough children. It’s below replacement across the board, save for Muslims.

    And even worse, it’s highest for traditional, religious Muslims,

    Those that leave their faith truly do assimilate, at least as far as birth rates go.

    I’ve written off the UK.

    Statistics are impossible to come by in France. The French have decided that the best way to disguise their rapidly Islamizing population by refusing to keep any stats by religion. They’re sunk.

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  180. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anatoly Karlin
    A couple of additional points:

    (1) European Jews are to the right liberal/conservative spectrum, but not the globalist/nationalist one; almost no Jews vote for the Front National, despite MLP's efforts to distance the party from her father.

    (2) Jews exert surprisingly strong influence on French politics, and their words are backed up by hate speech laws.

    Guillaume Durocher is probably the go-to guy on this particular topic.

    (1) European Jews are to the right liberal/conservative spectrum, but not the globalist/nationalist one; almost no Jews vote for the Front National, despite MLP’s efforts to distance the party from her father.

    Right, they tend to support neocon type parties that are socially liberal, economically neoliberal, globalist, and pro-Israel and hawkish on terrorism. They generally do not support the populist and nationalist parties. In an American context, they’d be more like Bill Kristol especially with the less Muslim character of immigration to the US and the stronger pro-Israel tendency in the US.

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    lol at the average anybody being like Bill Kristol. The fixation of the blogosphere on intellectuals obscures how weird these people are.

    Your average Jewish right-winger is going to be an Ari Fleischer or a Rod Rosenstein - a moderate but loyal party man.

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  181. @Jay Fink
    As a right wing Jew it sounds like I belong in Europe. I do wonder though if American Jews are slowly becoming more conservative? I saw some exit polls of the last election and several groups, including Asians,voted for Hillary in greater percentages than Jews. One exit poll actually found the majority of married Jewish men voted for Donald Trump. While the sample size might have been small for that poll I would guess a group like single white mothers are more liberal than Jewish people are.

    One exit poll actually found the majority of married Jewish men voted for Donald Trump.

    There’s little doubt that ordinary Jews are at least a bit more sane than the Jewish commentariat.

    And if you’re going to find Jewish sanity on “the national question”, it’s going to come from married-with-children men. That’s the demo that’s both more rational and has a visceral stake in the future, so more likely to think about long term consequences.

    Still it’s remarkable that a group with a clear IQ advantage, behaves the way they do. Waving in muslims? That’s just letting spite get the better of judgment. If you’re not going to make aliyah, would you rather be part of the elite of a nation that looks like the US of 1960 or 2060? Seems pretty dang obvious to me. And that’s assuming you get to be the nation’s elite in 2060. The muslims and the Asians may complicate that picture a bit.

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    I agree that the American Jewish newfound love affair with Muslims and Muslim immigration is downright bizarre. I have seen it in my own family. My cousin, an elite lawyer, regularly posts on Facebook about how he favors Muslim immigration, especially Syrian refugees. He also is passionately against Trump's travel ban . Not that long ago he never talked or thought about Muslims at all, these days he is very defensive of all things Islam.

    Two questions come to mind. Are European Jews as pro-Muslim as American Jews have become? I guess I already know the answer...no way. Also I wonder if Muslims love American Jews back? My guess is no this is a case of unrequited love.

    , @Anonymous
    "Still it’s remarkable that a group with a clear IQ advantage, behaves the way they do. Waving in muslims? That’s just letting spite get the better of judgment. If you’re not going to make aliyah, would you rather be part of the elite of a nation that looks like the US of 1960 or 2060? Seems pretty dang obvious to me. And that’s assuming you get to be the nation’s elite in 2060. The muslims and the Asians may complicate that picture a bit."

    They can afford to humor this virtue signalling on the Muslim issue as long as the Muslims remain a tiny minority in the US. But you're right that on first glance, it appears that their groups' love for Muslims seems insane- The Muzzies are pretty much their perfect foil. On practically every issue, they're far more conservative than an Evangelist from Georgia. They're fanatically anti-gay, anti-trans, against what we consider even basic women's rights, etc. Not to mention being rabidly, unabashedly anti-semitic.

    But I wonder if this may have a more clever ulterior motive than one may think at first. After all, they've gotten the US bogged down into the longest debacle in our history fighting against the Muslims in the Middle East, who would've instead been focusing all their attention on Israel, but now consider America to be the great Satan. And every time any anti-Muslim act (scarce as they are) occurs, they are out in front, the first group proclaiming how they stand with the Muslims against bigotry, intolerance, blah blah blah. Message? Don't hate us, fight against gentile whites in the US instead. Essentially they are in the process of transferring the very dangerous hatred that the Muslim world has against them, for taking over Palestine and kicking out Palestinians, onto us. Looking like an idiot for cheering on Muslim rights is a small price to pay for putting the bullseye on their backs onto us.

    One thing is clear, the left's Coalition of the Fringes (as Steve puts it) can't possibly still hold together until 2060. Desperately apply all the KKKrazy glue you want, no way Muslims will tolerate drag queens parading through their Shariah zones, no way Mexicans will tolerate BLM nuts tearing down their neighborhoods, etc. I just hope my grandkids are in another country by the time the sh*t hits the fan.

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  182. sb says:
    @Anonymous

    (that a lot of Palestinians are Christian goes unmentioned).
     
    That's a myth, the real numbers are negligible. The pre-Israel Middle East was not a conviviencia of pluralism*. Sharia law constantly whittles down the number of non-Muslims in a society.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Christians

    *Al-Andalus is also a myth

    I have always had the impression that Christian Middle Easterners ( Arab and otherwise ) firstly have smaller families ( in the Western style ) and have been very eager to immigrate to the West .
    Australia seems full of such folk

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  183. BenKenobi says:
    @Peter Johnson
    In Europe, traditional Right versus traditional Left is increasingly irrelevant in the face of a threatened takeover of the major cities by Muslim and African immigrant populations. The key fight, which might determine the future of European society, is alt-right versus globalist. So for example Le Pen is a traditional leftist, but alt-right on immigration control so she is on the alt-right side, on the issues that matter. Many traditional leftists are alt-right and very many traditional rightists are globalist.

    The key spectrum is alt-right versus globalist; forget about traditional right versus traditional left, in Europe those categories do not matter much.

    Right and Left, Whites of all political tendencies must rally together to defeat this existential threat.

    We can get back to our ridiculous political debates after that.

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  184. Jay Fink says:
    @AnotherDad

    One exit poll actually found the majority of married Jewish men voted for Donald Trump.
     
    There's little doubt that ordinary Jews are at least a bit more sane than the Jewish commentariat.

    And if you're going to find Jewish sanity on "the national question", it's going to come from married-with-children men. That's the demo that's both more rational and has a visceral stake in the future, so more likely to think about long term consequences.

    Still it's remarkable that a group with a clear IQ advantage, behaves the way they do. Waving in muslims? That's just letting spite get the better of judgment. If you're not going to make aliyah, would you rather be part of the elite of a nation that looks like the US of 1960 or 2060? Seems pretty dang obvious to me. And that's assuming you get to be the nation's elite in 2060. The muslims and the Asians may complicate that picture a bit.

    I agree that the American Jewish newfound love affair with Muslims and Muslim immigration is downright bizarre. I have seen it in my own family. My cousin, an elite lawyer, regularly posts on Facebook about how he favors Muslim immigration, especially Syrian refugees. He also is passionately against Trump’s travel ban . Not that long ago he never talked or thought about Muslims at all, these days he is very defensive of all things Islam.

    Two questions come to mind. Are European Jews as pro-Muslim as American Jews have become? I guess I already know the answer…no way. Also I wonder if Muslims love American Jews back? My guess is no this is a case of unrequited love.

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    I agree that the American Jewish newfound love affair with Muslims and Muslim immigration is downright bizarre. I have seen it in my own family. My cousin, an elite lawyer, regularly posts on Facebook about how he favors Muslim immigration, especially Syrian refugees. He also is passionately against Trump’s travel ban . Not that long ago he never talked or thought about Muslims at all, these days he is very defensive of all things Islam
     
    I know plenty like that. They are constantly posting on the topic ever since Merkel's madness. They even go so far as to lionise the dreams of Muslims in France seeking so-called refuge in the UK. The ridiculousness of which doesn't seem to register.

    Two questions come to mind. Are European Jews as pro-Muslim as American Jews have become? I guess I already know the answer…no way
     
    I think we might be. I actually lost a fellow Jew as a friend over this. They were not a good friend but still! On the other hand, I did publically question their patriotism and call them an ingrate so I was not as civil as I might have been.

    I have another friend who thankfully takes things like that a lot less personally but is almost as bad and they are as connected to Israel and France as they are to the UK and still refugee/Muslim crazy. Since in both Israel and France Muslims specifically target Jews for death it seems pretty strange.

    Also, Reform synagogues constantly signal on this issue. Indeed it may be the number one issue they signal on. My eyes roll so far back into my head at points in some services that I must look like I'm in a trance.

    My best explanation is that those doing the signalling are just transferring the refugee stories of Jews in WWII to Muslims now and that they are not smart or motivated enough to discern the seemingly obvious differences. There are plenty of Muslim states, Britain was the closest safe state for Jews fleeing Germany etc etc.

    In one case it is clearly pathological. The individual was bullied out of their job by extremely anti-Semitic Muslim teens and yet has as their number one issue bringing as many over as possible. That pathology though would be co-morbid with many others pathologies, as they are lovely, intelligent and kind but plainly medically crazy.

    These are just anecdotes and women do seem much more wrapped up in this stuff than men. Those that are committed to it are also committed to progressive politics more generally. Many would identify as feminists before other saner labels. Which is as strange a reason to support the importation of the most misogynistic group of men in the world as being Jewish is to support the importation of the most anti-Semitic. I'm therefore tempted to put it down to feminine solipsism and feelings but it also ties directly into progressivism more generally, and signalling on this issue is particularly virtuous for Jews because it is so clearly counter to Jewish interests.
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  185. @Bragadocious
    The rise of Trump surprised those of us familiar with European politics a lot less than it did Americans with an insular worldview.

    Oh really? Is that why Paddy Power paid off on a Hillary win before the election had even taken place? (Gotta love that legendary Irish financial acumen). Or why all of the press coverage in European papers leading up to Nov. 8 could basically be filed under "this election is a lock?" Truth is, Trump's victory stunned them way more than it did for "insular" Americans like myself, as I could see with my own eyes that the Clinton/Kaine storefront one block from my home was a ghost town with no foot traffic or enthusiasm.

    Thanks for the put-down however. If there's one thing the world loves it's a non-insular Paddy shooting his mouth off.

    Paddy Power (an Irish betting firm) paid off some Hilary-Trump election bets before the election as a publicity stunt. They guessed (correctly) that it would get them tons of free publicity in the MSM. It worked brilliantly as a publicity stunt. The lost money by the firm was a trivial advertising expense. Paddy Power are the world’s experts on clever publicity stunts to get free publicity.

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    Ladbrokes gave me 7:1 on a Trump victory ... wish I had placed more than twenty quid on it.
    , @Bragadocious
    Possible, but the reality is they still had Hillary at 2-11 odds heading into election day. Point is, the Irish never saw it coming, contrary to what this Irishman says.
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  186. Lot says:
    @Anonymous

    Israel is the only government in the world that is securing its borders and making white children for the future.
     
    By this standard, Turkey and other Mideastern countries would be examples of a country " that is securing its borders and making white children for the future."

    "White" really refers to indigenous Europeans i.e. people of Celtic, Germanic, Slavic, Latin, etc. stock.

    I wish boring retards could just pick a nym so they can be added to the ignore list.

    Unless your normal username is your actual name and you want cover for a single post, there is no excuse for disrespecting other readers and posting as anon. If you are not creative just go with “anon73627″ or something.

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    What was so objectionable about my comment that warrants a personal attack? What is controversial about the idea of indigenous Europeans having their own identity, which necessarily differentiates from the non-indigenous?
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  187. cheers says:
    @Honorary thief
    When have blacks EVER dominated non-blacks, in any society at any point in history? Black prominence in pop culture is ENTIRELY a gift from the Jewish dominated entertainment industry to blacks.

    “When have blacks EVER dominated non-blacks, in any society at any point in history?”

    The Hatian Revolution.

    Also, the genetics of Madagascar are mostly African paternally and mostly Asian maternally, which implies some form of sexual dominance by black males.

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    "Domination" implies a long-term reality. The Haitians defeated and then massacred a tiny French population over a period of 13 years. 1791-1804.
    As you may be aware, France itself was rather preoccupied during that period with a revolution of its own.
    Had Napoleon ultimately prevailed in Europe he would have dispatched a few men-of-war to "reduce" the island and its quite pointless inhabitants. The French governments which followed him took one look at the place and decided it was not worth a moment of their time nor a drop of their blood.
    The continued presence of blacks on that God-forsaken island evinces the domination of nothing over no one.
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  188. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @YetAnotherAnon
    As Hitler reportedly said (via Albert Speer's memoir) - "a Muslim Germany would by now already have dominated the world. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?".

    The 75% Tory vote was methinks heavily influenced by Corbyn's Palestinian sympathies, so I wouldn't read too much into it.

    Something of a historical counterpoint to Hitler’s idea, from a book I’m reading now (Robert Crowley’s Conquerers):

    In the battle of Chaul in 1508, the Portuguese were up against a Muslim fleet in a river in India, and the Muslims had chained their main ships together, facing out, from the riverbank. The master gunner on the Portuguese flagship was a German, Michel Arnau. He told the head of the expedition, Lourenço de Almeida (the hotheaded 28 year old son of the viceroy, Francisco de Almeida) that if he positioned his carracks in a certain way, he could withdraw all of his men except Arnau and his gunners, and they’d sink all the Muslim ships with cannon fire by nightfall.

    But Almeida turned him down, because it went against his chivalric code and thirst for glory in close quarters combat. Almeida lost his leg, then his life, and then his ship in that battle.

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  189. A Finn says:

    Well, I’m not so sure about Europe’s Jews being much better than the American Jews when it comes to pushing mass immigration. Maybe better in the sense that they have far less power.

    We have a very small Jewish minority here in Finland. Almost all of the Jewish celebrities are pushing mass immigration, most of them also simultaneously being proud supporters of Jewish nationalism.

    Actually, a far bigger problem here is the much more sizeable and influential Swedish minority. They have been pushing mass immigration fanatically. Minorities that don’t want to assimilate seem to massively resent that there is a majority, and want to dismantle it.

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  190. IHTG says:
    @Anonymous

    (1) European Jews are to the right liberal/conservative spectrum, but not the globalist/nationalist one; almost no Jews vote for the Front National, despite MLP’s efforts to distance the party from her father.
     
    Right, they tend to support neocon type parties that are socially liberal, economically neoliberal, globalist, and pro-Israel and hawkish on terrorism. They generally do not support the populist and nationalist parties. In an American context, they'd be more like Bill Kristol especially with the less Muslim character of immigration to the US and the stronger pro-Israel tendency in the US.

    lol at the average anybody being like Bill Kristol. The fixation of the blogosphere on intellectuals obscures how weird these people are.

    Your average Jewish right-winger is going to be an Ari Fleischer or a Rod Rosenstein – a moderate but loyal party man.

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  191. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous

    Israel is the only government in the world that is securing its borders and making white children for the future.
     
    By this standard, Turkey and other Mideastern countries would be examples of a country " that is securing its borders and making white children for the future."

    "White" really refers to indigenous Europeans i.e. people of Celtic, Germanic, Slavic, Latin, etc. stock.
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    Rabbi Lerner, huh?

    Smart people can be really delusional. Despite the fact that there are non-white Jews, the Ashkenazi are indeed white. To say they're not because some of them have olive skin and black hair is quite a stretch. By that logic, the French are non-white, too. And what about those northern Europeans who are on the dark end of their people's spectrum? Is Tom Jones non-white? Colin Farrell? Does anyone dispute the whiteness of Mark Zuckerberg?

    Nevertheless, the "we ain't white" crowd seems to be finding their voice these days. Should they prevail, it will be interesting to see what will happen after they burn the bridge.
    , @Anon
    The answer is quite simple. As Jews we are commanded each year at the Passover to feel as if we were in Egypt as slaves. As slaves who were part of a liberation movement, we identify and support the cause of the oppressed. We identify with the cause of African-Americans in this country because they were slaves in this country.

    But didn't ancient Hebrews also have slaves? Didn't they commit genocide against Canaanites?

    Also, blacks claim that Egyptians were black, so ancient Hebrews were enslaved by blacks.

    In freeing Jews from 'black' Egyptians, 'black' lives certainly didn't matter during Passover and thereafter.

    https://youtu.be/DWyiAzwwLdA?t=2m15s
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  192. Berty says:

    Maybe it’s simply because European Jews aren’t a monolithic entity and are part of many different cultures and ideas unlike in America.

    But I forgot that this site is Autism.com where every single mention of Jews has to be analyzed for every possible sinister motive.

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  193. Karl says:
    @Jay Fink
    As a right wing Jew it sounds like I belong in Europe. I do wonder though if American Jews are slowly becoming more conservative? I saw some exit polls of the last election and several groups, including Asians,voted for Hillary in greater percentages than Jews. One exit poll actually found the majority of married Jewish men voted for Donald Trump. While the sample size might have been small for that poll I would guess a group like single white mothers are more liberal than Jewish people are.

    146 Jay Fink > As a right wing Jew it sounds like I belong in Israel

    fixed it for you.

    even lower-middle-class people here travel abroad once or twice a year. So you can still guzzle German beer in Thailand with Germans.

    Hebrew itself is becoming REALLY anglo-ized. Nowadays you are “on line” to meet a girl for a “blind date”

    You should fit right in. Hell if you move to Bet Shemesh, you might think you’re still in Queens

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  194. Tyrion says:
    @Jay Fink
    I agree that the American Jewish newfound love affair with Muslims and Muslim immigration is downright bizarre. I have seen it in my own family. My cousin, an elite lawyer, regularly posts on Facebook about how he favors Muslim immigration, especially Syrian refugees. He also is passionately against Trump's travel ban . Not that long ago he never talked or thought about Muslims at all, these days he is very defensive of all things Islam.

    Two questions come to mind. Are European Jews as pro-Muslim as American Jews have become? I guess I already know the answer...no way. Also I wonder if Muslims love American Jews back? My guess is no this is a case of unrequited love.

    I agree that the American Jewish newfound love affair with Muslims and Muslim immigration is downright bizarre. I have seen it in my own family. My cousin, an elite lawyer, regularly posts on Facebook about how he favors Muslim immigration, especially Syrian refugees. He also is passionately against Trump’s travel ban . Not that long ago he never talked or thought about Muslims at all, these days he is very defensive of all things Islam

    I know plenty like that. They are constantly posting on the topic ever since Merkel’s madness. They even go so far as to lionise the dreams of Muslims in France seeking so-called refuge in the UK. The ridiculousness of which doesn’t seem to register.

    Two questions come to mind. Are European Jews as pro-Muslim as American Jews have become? I guess I already know the answer…no way

    I think we might be. I actually lost a fellow Jew as a friend over this. They were not a good friend but still! On the other hand, I did publically question their patriotism and call them an ingrate so I was not as civil as I might have been.

    I have another friend who thankfully takes things like that a lot less personally but is almost as bad and they are as connected to Israel and France as they are to the UK and still refugee/Muslim crazy. Since in both Israel and France Muslims specifically target Jews for death it seems pretty strange.

    Also, Reform synagogues constantly signal on this issue. Indeed it may be the number one issue they signal on. My eyes roll so far back into my head at points in some services that I must look like I’m in a trance.

    My best explanation is that those doing the signalling are just transferring the refugee stories of Jews in WWII to Muslims now and that they are not smart or motivated enough to discern the seemingly obvious differences. There are plenty of Muslim states, Britain was the closest safe state for Jews fleeing Germany etc etc.

    In one case it is clearly pathological. The individual was bullied out of their job by extremely anti-Semitic Muslim teens and yet has as their number one issue bringing as many over as possible. That pathology though would be co-morbid with many others pathologies, as they are lovely, intelligent and kind but plainly medically crazy.

    These are just anecdotes and women do seem much more wrapped up in this stuff than men. Those that are committed to it are also committed to progressive politics more generally. Many would identify as feminists before other saner labels. Which is as strange a reason to support the importation of the most misogynistic group of men in the world as being Jewish is to support the importation of the most anti-Semitic. I’m therefore tempted to put it down to feminine solipsism and feelings but it also ties directly into progressivism more generally, and signalling on this issue is particularly virtuous for Jews because it is so clearly counter to Jewish interests.

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  195. snorlax says:
    @Art Deco
    In the 1930s and 40s, European Jews who fled Europe for other places, including the U.S., were disproportionately left-wing rather than right-wing because they understood, right from the start, the ideological threat of Nazism. These people are the ancestors of modern American Jews.

    The bulk of American Jewry is descended of Russian and Hapsburg Jews who migrated between 1890 and 1924. There's a small older strand who came from the German states between 1840 and 1890.

    He is half-right, in that the Jews who stayed the ones who for reasons of politics, wealth or assimilation didn’t particularly mind living under the local Kaiser or Tsar.[1] And that in turn explains why the ones who stayed by and large didn’t start trying to emigrate (if at all) until it was already far too late and even then not really acting truly desperately,[2] like they thought their lives were in danger.

    Not that they ought to have in any sense other than hindsight; it’s easy to see how a European Jew who always went with the most reasonable, Occam’s Razor version of events would’ve remained oblivious to what was coming right up to the moment gas started coming out of the showerhead, as was indeed often the case.

    Seeing so many European Jews led to their deaths by their neighbors, who they had considered harmless or even friendly, no doubt played a large part in why the majority political current among American Jews so quickly shifted from Marxism to post-Marxist identity-based leftism.[3]

    The same previously idealized “working class” suddenly seemed a vast, sinister, unknowable mass, and every real and imagined slight a death threat. A suspicion developed (entirely understandably, but disastrously) that Jews could never be safe as long as there existed any popular conception of positive racial, religious or masculine/military components to American or European national identities.

    This spectacular failure of Occam’s Razor does much to explain too the reluctance of many/most modern-day American Jews to accept Occam’s Razor explanations for political and social phenomena in favor of explanations involving secret Nazi cabals plotting to murder all the Jews.

    After all, the price for getting it wrong about Occam’s Razor is maybe you elect too many Democrats and they jack up your taxes, let all the crooks out of jail and turn your son into a purple-haired Muslim lesbian married to patio furniture. But the price for getting it wrong about the secret Nazi plot, as 6 million did, is death for you and your whole family and people.

    At least you know 100% everything the Democrats are thinking and planning, and none of it is Nazi murder plots.[4] You can’t be more than 99% sure about those strange people from the nether reaches, with their snake-hunting revival shotguns and varmint-handling semiautomatic churches.

    Now, there are plenty of logical and factual problems with this weltanschauung, but it makes perfect emotional sense. The question is not so much “what’s the matter with Jews?” (they’re acting out of their perceived prudent self-interest), it’s “what’s the matter with white non-Jews?”

    [1] You can see it clearly enough today; American Jewish folk histories rarely have anything positive to say about the old country or its people, but (IME) the Jackson-Vanik arrivals consider themselves Russian first and Jewish second (or rather 651st; they’d consider me highly remiss not to mention that they’re AMERICAN in places 1 through 13×50). They call themselves “Russian,” speak affectionately of Russian culture and (ordinary) people, and you have to discover through conversation or contextual inference that they’re Jewish.

    [2] Such as: taking Trujillo up on his offer, going to other places that took all comers, Jews-included,[2a] or at least granted entry to most Jewish asylum-seekers (Switzerland, Argentina, Spain, Portugal), immigrating to their destinations illegally or under false identities (more difficult and dangerous then than now, but hardly impossible), traveling openly to Palestine and daring Britain to deport them, or creating false documentation (identity papers, genealogical records, sham marriages) to evade German racial laws. Hundreds of thousands did escape by such means or tried to, but many more did not.

    [2a] The USSR, China (which didn’t so much take all comers as it had not, since the Boxer Rebellion, had any government—even the Japanese—able or willing to stop foreigners from coming and going as they pleased) and certain settler colonies—few French Jews went to Algeria between the fall of France and Operation Torch, even though no passport was necessary (it was, almost unique among European colonies, formally annexed by France in 1848) and Vichy-flagged ships were considered neutral.

    [3] This paralleled a simultaneous shift on the left and in American society as a whole, but it’s fair to say the trend among Jews 1945-75 was quite dramatic even relative to the center of the Overton Window at any given time.

    [4] Jewish voting habits will flip when they start to be, in large numbers and at high levels, barred from Democrat decision-making bodies on whiteness grounds.

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    He is half-right, in that the Jews who stayed the ones who for reasons of politics, wealth or assimilation didn’t particularly mind living under the local Kaiser or Tsar.[1] And that in turn explains why the ones who stayed by and large didn’t start trying to emigrate (if at all) until it was already far too late and even then not really acting truly desperately,[2] like they thought their lives were in danger.

    See the historian Wm. Rubenstein. About 72% of Germany's Jewish population emigrated between 1932 and the fall of 1939. Rubenstein's of the view that the remainder would have cleared out within a couple of years had war not broken out. Their misfortune was that they often settled in neighboring countries which Germany conquered during the war.
    , @Anonymous
    Indeed. There had been no massacres of Jews in Germany since the Middle Ages. That kind of thing was associated with the wild Russians and other Slavs, not Germans. You can see why so many Jews were taken completely by surprise by the Holocaust. They just didn't expect it.
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  196. @Lot
    My short analysis:

    Right wing antisemites in Europe and the USA as a group are small, weak, poor, disorganized, stupid and very unpopular. The left tries to scare Jews with them, but the number of Jews killed by right wing antisemites in the entire West most years is ZERO, and in the past 50 years under 100 total. More Jews die from random NAM street violence, probably by a factor of 200 or more.

    Left wing BDSers really are not antisemites for the most part. Rather, left wing BDS is really just hatred of whites generally. Israel is the focus of left wing antiwhite hate because it is the only place in the entire world where whites are growing demographically at the expense of non whites. Every other white country in the world, more than 50 of them, is rapidly dying out due to fertility far below replacement plus third world invadors. At current trends Israel will be the only country in the entire world with a larger white population in 2040 than it does today. And virtually all of Western Europe/Anglosphere will have a non-white majority of under 40s.

    Trump and Putin may defy the left's antiwhite line with their words. And that is better than nothing, and earns them the hate of the left. But neither have actually stopped much less reversed white demographic decline. Every single year of Putin's long tenure Russia's non elderly white population declined and its Muslim population increased. Every single year of Trump's presidency the non elderly white population of the USA will also decline while its African and Muslim population grows.

    Israel is the only government in the world that is securing its borders and making white children for the future. That, not any animus specific to Jews, is why the left of the entire world wants to destroy it.

    http://bennorton.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/netanyahu-school.jpg

    I 90% agree. There is some anti-Jewish feeling on the non-Muslim Left here in UK, Jews seen as rich capitalists, bourgeois etc. I think Ken Livingstone types do feel that way. But the general tone is anti-white and Israel in particular is hated as a successful ‘white’ State, not for its Jewishness.

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  197. @Anonymous

    Israel is the only government in the world that is securing its borders and making white children for the future.
     
    By this standard, Turkey and other Mideastern countries would be examples of a country " that is securing its borders and making white children for the future."

    "White" really refers to indigenous Europeans i.e. people of Celtic, Germanic, Slavic, Latin, etc. stock.

    I definitely think the anti-white Left count Israel as white and count Turkey as non-white, whatever the respective genetics. They do treat whiteness as a social construct to that extent – Israeli culture is largely European. They don’t know or care about Turks & Turkish culture.

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    You're suggesting that it's about social constructs and not about genetics, with respect to Israel and the Left, which goes against Lot's point.
    , @Lot
    Don't try to engage the trolls, it just encourages them.
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  198. snorlax says:
    @Lot
    Jihad beat jungle in Sudan.

    Well, Sudan would be my go-to example of jungle beating jihad; the “Arab” Sudanese were repeatedly handed humiliating defeats with their only saving grace being that it wasn’t a total loss; the Christian blacks weren’t quite able to completely conquer and/or dismember the country.

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    Really? My impression was the "Arabs" in Sudan took everything worth keeping and raid and loot the rest of it. But not an area I follow closely.

    The black-skinned Sudanese Arabs still seem visibly more caucasoid-mixed than the South Sudanese.
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  199. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Art Deco
    In the 1930s and 40s, European Jews who fled Europe for other places, including the U.S., were disproportionately left-wing rather than right-wing because they understood, right from the start, the ideological threat of Nazism. These people are the ancestors of modern American Jews.

    The bulk of American Jewry is descended of Russian and Hapsburg Jews who migrated between 1890 and 1924. There's a small older strand who came from the German states between 1840 and 1890.

    If that’s so, then why does practically every Jewish person I hear eventually bring out the tales of their grandmother who escaped the Holocaust?

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    Perhaps you live in an area where a high concentration of Holocaust survivors settled, such as Skokie, Illinios. Or maybe you're making it up.
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  200. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    The Eskimos are 1 step ahead of you. Having created a leftist 'monster' that has slipped it's leash and gone on a rabidly anti-white rampage, they are now in the process of getting themselves formally recognized as 'Asian' instead of whites. You can see their whiteness questioned across major media sources, and many millenial Eskimos refer to themselves as Asian.

    Makes you wonder if the increasing recognition of Asians as a victim group and the push for Affirmative action penalties against Asians to end are a result of this.

    Maybe this is why transracialism is being actively denied to everyone else- because they are doing it themselves. Seems to be a signature characteristic: carry out X behavior, use your media arms to keep it on the down low when your group is actively does it, but make a big noise about anyone from any other group doing it (even though they are doing less of it than your group), and condemn these people as being horrible, terrible, deplorable unpeople.

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  201. @Peter Johnson
    Paddy Power (an Irish betting firm) paid off some Hilary-Trump election bets before the election as a publicity stunt. They guessed (correctly) that it would get them tons of free publicity in the MSM. It worked brilliantly as a publicity stunt. The lost money by the firm was a trivial advertising expense. Paddy Power are the world's experts on clever publicity stunts to get free publicity.

    Ladbrokes gave me 7:1 on a Trump victory … wish I had placed more than twenty quid on it.

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  202. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @AnotherDad

    One exit poll actually found the majority of married Jewish men voted for Donald Trump.
     
    There's little doubt that ordinary Jews are at least a bit more sane than the Jewish commentariat.

    And if you're going to find Jewish sanity on "the national question", it's going to come from married-with-children men. That's the demo that's both more rational and has a visceral stake in the future, so more likely to think about long term consequences.

    Still it's remarkable that a group with a clear IQ advantage, behaves the way they do. Waving in muslims? That's just letting spite get the better of judgment. If you're not going to make aliyah, would you rather be part of the elite of a nation that looks like the US of 1960 or 2060? Seems pretty dang obvious to me. And that's assuming you get to be the nation's elite in 2060. The muslims and the Asians may complicate that picture a bit.

    “Still it’s remarkable that a group with a clear IQ advantage, behaves the way they do. Waving in muslims? That’s just letting spite get the better of judgment. If you’re not going to make aliyah, would you rather be part of the elite of a nation that looks like the US of 1960 or 2060? Seems pretty dang obvious to me. And that’s assuming you get to be the nation’s elite in 2060. The muslims and the Asians may complicate that picture a bit.”

    They can afford to humor this virtue signalling on the Muslim issue as long as the Muslims remain a tiny minority in the US. But you’re right that on first glance, it appears that their groups’ love for Muslims seems insane- The Muzzies are pretty much their perfect foil. On practically every issue, they’re far more conservative than an Evangelist from Georgia. They’re fanatically anti-gay, anti-trans, against what we consider even basic women’s rights, etc. Not to mention being rabidly, unabashedly anti-semitic.

    But I wonder if this may have a more clever ulterior motive than one may think at first. After all, they’ve gotten the US bogged down into the longest debacle in our history fighting against the Muslims in the Middle East, who would’ve instead been focusing all their attention on Israel, but now consider America to be the great Satan. And every time any anti-Muslim act (scarce as they are) occurs, they are out in front, the first group proclaiming how they stand with the Muslims against bigotry, intolerance, blah blah blah. Message? Don’t hate us, fight against gentile whites in the US instead. Essentially they are in the process of transferring the very dangerous hatred that the Muslim world has against them, for taking over Palestine and kicking out Palestinians, onto us. Looking like an idiot for cheering on Muslim rights is a small price to pay for putting the bullseye on their backs onto us.

    One thing is clear, the left’s Coalition of the Fringes (as Steve puts it) can’t possibly still hold together until 2060. Desperately apply all the KKKrazy glue you want, no way Muslims will tolerate drag queens parading through their Shariah zones, no way Mexicans will tolerate BLM nuts tearing down their neighborhoods, etc. I just hope my grandkids are in another country by the time the sh*t hits the fan.

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  203. Art Deco says:
    @Carneades
    Horse shit.

    https://pics.me.me/presid-t-tu-david-levy-president-cnn-jef-zucker-chief-22673178.png

    CNN?

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/01/cnn-cant-crack-top-10-in-cable-news-ratings/

    I haven’t the time to do an inventory of your photospread. People inclined to make these lists tend to make comical errors.

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    People inclined to make these lists tend to make comical errors.
     
    That is true. But I notice there usually (as here) is not engagement with how much of lists like that are correct and the underlying point.

    Remember, Jews don't control Hollywood and we will destroy you if you say otherwise. See Mel Gibson or Gary Oldman.

    Topics like this are not good for demonstrating the good faith of some of the Jewish commenters here. And I am sure they will say the same about me. The question is whose statements are actually true (and responsive to the point, say not just pointing out a few errors in that CNN list, which wasn't even actually done in this case, just implied).

    This article is a good way to end this comment: https://www.timesofisrael.com/google-steps-in-to-stop-jews-running-hollywood/

    Hopefully that source is reasonably credible: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/times-of-israel/
    It is all too easy to accidentally cite a "disreputable" source and be discredited that way. Even if the point at issue is showing a photo of an LA Times article headlined "Is Hollywood run by Jews? You Bet!".

    https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2015/09/Screen-Shot-2015-09-04-at-7.03.35-PM-e1441382332472.png

    https://wikispooks.com/w/images/thumb/1/1b/Jews-hollywood.jpg/350px-Jews-hollywood.jpg

    And remember, as far as I can tell there were no repercussions for Stein. Well, aside from having the title of his article changed: http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/19/opinion/oe-stein19
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  204. Art Deco says:
    @Dmitry134564
    The political preferences of Jewish communities react quite strongly to antisemitism. When antisemitism is associated with the left-wing, they will shift their preferences to the right. When antisemitism is associated with the right-wing, they will shift to the left.

    You can see this clearly in the case of the Russian community in Israel, which is heavily slanted to the secular right-wing, even against their own interests. The most popular party in the 2015 election amongst Russian speakers was the Likud , with Nash Dom Israel (Avigdor Lieberman's party) coming in second place. It's common for politically-aware Russians in Israel to idolize Ronald Reagan in particular, which is not something you will find among non-Jewish Russians in Russia (who would be much more sympathetic, on average, to Soviet ideology).

    This is a very simple reaction to living in the Soviet Union, where the left-wing political ideology was associated with antisemitism for around 70 years.

    On the other hand, a large part of the (dying) left-wing elite in Israel, is comprised by descendants of the German and Polish community, who (as we all are aware) suffered antisemitism only primarily from a Nazi regime associated with the political right. It should be noted that this is changing now even amongst a much broader population however, as only 11% of young people in Israel identify as left-wing.

    The situation in the UK is likely a similar pattern. As the left-wing in the UK has become increasingly antisemitic (although under guise of 'anti-Zionism'), the Jewish community has shifted to the right-wing politically.

    Whereas in the US, we may see the opposite process with the emergence of the 'alt-right'. The reaction to the alt-right, who mainly seem interested in propagating antisemitic conspiracy theories - will surely be a shift from the Jewish community towards the left of the spectrum.

    You’re missing a vector in there. Antagonism to Jews has never been of much consequence in political life in this country bar during the inter-war period. The most prominent starboard anti-semites of that era were Charles Coughlin, Charles Lindbergh, and Gerald L. K. Smith. Lindbergh kept a low profile after the war, Smith largely withdrew from public life more than 50 years ago, and Coughlin was silenced by his bishop in 1940. All three men had died by 1980.

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    Lindbergh kept a low profile after the war
     
    So low profile that he won the Pulitzer Prize in 1954 for his international best-seller The Spirit of St. Louis, President Eisenhower had him commissioned a Brigadier General in 1955, he co-hosted with Walter Cronkite CBS television's live coverage of the Apollo 11 lunar landing, two more postage stamps honoring his transatlantic flight were issued by the U.S Post Office in 1977 and 1998 (under Democrat administrations), and ever since it opened the first thing you see when you walk in the front door of the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum is The Spirit of St. Louis on prominent display.
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  205. Art Deco says:
    @notanon

    Whether or not Arabs are stupid and lazy, they’re outnumbered by 13 to 1 in France and (prior to the Merkel invitation) by larger margins elsewhere.
     
    1) no they're not

    2) no they're not even more among the young

    3) no they're not even more than that among the young in the big cities

    the predicted civil war has begun and the people trying to lull westerners to sleep are still singing their poisonous song

    1) no they’re not

    Yes they are. Pew’s estimate is 3.5 million out of a population of more than 60 million.

    http://www.pewforum.org/2009/10/07/mapping-the-global-muslim-population14/

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    Numbers from October of 2009?! WAY beyond your usual mendacity.
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  206. Art Deco says:
    @snorlax
    He is half-right, in that the Jews who stayed the ones who for reasons of politics, wealth or assimilation didn't particularly mind living under the local Kaiser or Tsar.[1] And that in turn explains why the ones who stayed by and large didn't start trying to emigrate (if at all) until it was already far too late and even then not really acting truly desperately,[2] like they thought their lives were in danger.

    Not that they ought to have in any sense other than hindsight; it's easy to see how a European Jew who always went with the most reasonable, Occam's Razor version of events would've remained oblivious to what was coming right up to the moment gas started coming out of the showerhead, as was indeed often the case.

    Seeing so many European Jews led to their deaths by their neighbors, who they had considered harmless or even friendly, no doubt played a large part in why the majority political current among American Jews so quickly shifted from Marxism to post-Marxist identity-based leftism.[3]

    The same previously idealized "working class" suddenly seemed a vast, sinister, unknowable mass, and every real and imagined slight a death threat. A suspicion developed (entirely understandably, but disastrously) that Jews could never be safe as long as there existed any popular conception of positive racial, religious or masculine/military components to American or European national identities.

    This spectacular failure of Occam's Razor does much to explain too the reluctance of many/most modern-day American Jews to accept Occam's Razor explanations for political and social phenomena in favor of explanations involving secret Nazi cabals plotting to murder all the Jews.

    After all, the price for getting it wrong about Occam's Razor is maybe you elect too many Democrats and they jack up your taxes, let all the crooks out of jail and turn your son into a purple-haired Muslim lesbian married to patio furniture. But the price for getting it wrong about the secret Nazi plot, as 6 million did, is death for you and your whole family and people.

    At least you know 100% everything the Democrats are thinking and planning, and none of it is Nazi murder plots.[4] You can't be more than 99% sure about those strange people from the nether reaches, with their snake-hunting revival shotguns and varmint-handling semiautomatic churches.

    Now, there are plenty of logical and factual problems with this weltanschauung, but it makes perfect emotional sense. The question is not so much "what's the matter with Jews?" (they're acting out of their perceived prudent self-interest), it's "what's the matter with white non-Jews?"

    [1] You can see it clearly enough today; American Jewish folk histories rarely have anything positive to say about the old country or its people, but (IME) the Jackson-Vanik arrivals consider themselves Russian first and Jewish second (or rather 651st; they'd consider me highly remiss not to mention that they're AMERICAN in places 1 through 13×50). They call themselves "Russian," speak affectionately of Russian culture and (ordinary) people, and you have to discover through conversation or contextual inference that they're Jewish.

    [2] Such as: taking Trujillo up on his offer, going to other places that took all comers, Jews-included,[2a] or at least granted entry to most Jewish asylum-seekers (Switzerland, Argentina, Spain, Portugal), immigrating to their destinations illegally or under false identities (more difficult and dangerous then than now, but hardly impossible), traveling openly to Palestine and daring Britain to deport them, or creating false documentation (identity papers, genealogical records, sham marriages) to evade German racial laws. Hundreds of thousands did escape by such means or tried to, but many more did not.

    [2a] The USSR, China (which didn't so much take all comers as it had not, since the Boxer Rebellion, had any government—even the Japanese—able or willing to stop foreigners from coming and going as they pleased) and certain settler colonies—few French Jews went to Algeria between the fall of France and Operation Torch, even though no passport was necessary (it was, almost unique among European colonies, formally annexed by France in 1848) and Vichy-flagged ships were considered neutral.

    [3] This paralleled a simultaneous shift on the left and in American society as a whole, but it's fair to say the trend among Jews 1945-75 was quite dramatic even relative to the center of the Overton Window at any given time.

    [4] Jewish voting habits will flip when they start to be, in large numbers and at high levels, barred from Democrat decision-making bodies on whiteness grounds.

    He is half-right, in that the Jews who stayed the ones who for reasons of politics, wealth or assimilation didn’t particularly mind living under the local Kaiser or Tsar.[1] And that in turn explains why the ones who stayed by and large didn’t start trying to emigrate (if at all) until it was already far too late and even then not really acting truly desperately,[2] like they thought their lives were in danger.

    See the historian Wm. Rubenstein. About 72% of Germany’s Jewish population emigrated between 1932 and the fall of 1939. Rubenstein’s of the view that the remainder would have cleared out within a couple of years had war not broken out. Their misfortune was that they often settled in neighboring countries which Germany conquered during the war.

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  207. @Peter Johnson
    Paddy Power (an Irish betting firm) paid off some Hilary-Trump election bets before the election as a publicity stunt. They guessed (correctly) that it would get them tons of free publicity in the MSM. It worked brilliantly as a publicity stunt. The lost money by the firm was a trivial advertising expense. Paddy Power are the world's experts on clever publicity stunts to get free publicity.

    Possible, but the reality is they still had Hillary at 2-11 odds heading into election day. Point is, the Irish never saw it coming, contrary to what this Irishman says.

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  208. NickG says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    The Soviet Union, and Communism in general, started out as internationalist, not nationalist. Vietnam a different story.

    The Soviet Union, and Communism in general, started out as internationalist, not nationalist.

    Internationalist with heartfelt paeans to Mother Russia. And of course famously the Soviet Communist party designated the fight against their erstwhile Nazi allies in divvying up Poland – ‘The Great Patriotic War’.

    Of course neo Marxists have morphed back to post nation stage globalist internationalism and traded in Marx’s proletariat for social justice and identity politics.

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    Stalin was pragmatic when the survival of the USSR was at stake, with appeals to patriotism, temporarily allowing military officers to have some of the classist symbols of their rank, reeling in the commissars, etc.
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  209. biz says:
    @LondonBob
    Of course the growing Muslim population is an issue and the odious likes of Pamela Geller excreta have been plying their trade extensively here but I think the current Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, is the outcome sought. He was well funded by the Jewish community and has done what he was told, Muslim immigrants are animated a lot more by issues other than dislike of Jews and Palestine, indeed Palestine is relatively unimportant. Noteworthy that very few terror attacks have been directed at Jewish targets, ignore the kvetching. The aim remains a housebroken form of Islam, with dutiful leaders like Khan, and indeed a somewhat restive Muslim population plays well as propaganda for Israel's increasingly harsh treatment of the Palestinians (that a lot of Palestinians are Christian goes unmentioned).

    What a stupid comment on a number of levels.

    Let’ start with the claim that

    a lot of Palestinians are Christian

    If by “a lot” you mean 3% (yep, look it up) then sure, but I don’t think that’s what you meant.

    Attempting to highlight “Palestinian” Christians in spite of them being a tiny, insignificant minority, is a classic taqiyya technique designed to fool gullible Westerners. I’m not sure whether you are the fooling or the fool, though.

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  210. biz says:
    @George
    Too much Jew talk:

    Jews these days are very diverse. The old White and Black America has given way to the multicult. So Jews are more amorphous than maybe they were in your youth. Jewish is becoming a category rather than the more specific thing it was in the past.

    Anti Zionist Jews:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neturei_Karta
    http://www.truetorahjews.org/

    Introduction to anti Zionist thinking on Israel.

    Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro explains the reasons why Orthodox Jews do not serve in the Israeli army
    http://www.truetorahjews.org/images/rabbishapirovideo.mp4

    Muslims in Europe are also very diverse. One of the complaints at TatjanaFesterling.com is that every local complaint in the Muslim world brings out protesters on both sides in Germany. So Erdogen vs Gulen thing in Turkey brings out protesters on both sides in Germany. Iran vs Saudi Arabia. Hezbollah Iran Alawites vs Takfiries. and the rest.

    explains the reasons why Orthodox Jews do not serve in the Israeli army

    Dumb. Orthodox Jews serve proudly and consistently in the Israeli army. It is only (some) Ultra-Orthodox Jews that don’t.

    These Neturei Karta are a strange cult that number maybe 200 people worldwide and are not considered Jewish by any other Jewish group. They are nothing.

    Why is there so much ignorance on display here?

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  211. biz says:
    @Carneades
    Horse shit.

    https://pics.me.me/presid-t-tu-david-levy-president-cnn-jef-zucker-chief-22673178.png

    I don’t even have to squint to try to read that cut-and-paste image to know it is riddled with errors. Like the one that someone (you?) posted claiming that there were 50 “dual citizens of Israel” in the US government which proceeded to list exactly zero people who were actual dual citizens?

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    Squint harder or get glasses. I don't know who came up with or posted the 50 dual citizenship number or how you know that there are zero either. There are thousands of Jews with dual citizenship as there are with many other countries that allow it. We in the US are pretty liberal in allowing our citizens to have multiple passports. I don't know how many specifically work for the feds but the sheer volume would presuppose me to believe that it is not zero for any of our allied countries like the ones in NATO or the Anglosphere.
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  212. biz says:

    Late to the party, but, as I mentioned in the other thread, my take on this prediction of a potential lurch of American Jewry to the right is that it fails to take into account the extraordinarily high rate of intermarriage among secular mainstream Jews in the US vs. Europe (yes, contrary to all of the brain dead idiots in all these threads prattling on about how Jews despise ‘goys’ etc about 50% of Jews marry non-Jews).

    In Europe (and Israel) there is a huge cultural space to be Jewish by ethnicity and cultural identity but not particularly religious. Not so in the US, where for a variety of reasons secular Jews tend to intermarry with their similarly highly socioeconomically and economically situated WASP, Asian, etc colleagues. As I mentioned, the intermarriage rate in the US is around 50%, and probably higher if only secular Jews are considered.

    So while Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox Jews in America are already politically conservative (for very different reasons though – support for Israel in the case of the former and fundamentalist religious values in the case of the latter), I don’t think the future of mainstream secular American Jewry will be that way, because it will increasingly be people who are 1/2 or 1/4 Jewish by ancestry. Rather, their politics will simply be in line with the educated, liberal urban/suburban WASP/Asian etc communities they’ve married into.

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    The two most virulent lefties I know are the Irish wives of friends who are lapsed Jews. It's almost like my friends set out to find the shiksas that acted the most Jewish.
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  213. They seem to reveal their true attitudes:

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    Maybe I am missing a joke here but that is so clearly a photoshop of Ben Shapiro's head on someone else's body. The hands holding the sign are even black, so who knows what the sign said before photoshop.
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  214. res says:
    @Art Deco
    CNN?

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/01/cnn-cant-crack-top-10-in-cable-news-ratings/

    I haven't the time to do an inventory of your photospread. People inclined to make these lists tend to make comical errors.

    People inclined to make these lists tend to make comical errors.

    That is true. But I notice there usually (as here) is not engagement with how much of lists like that are correct and the underlying point.

    Remember, Jews don’t control Hollywood and we will destroy you if you say otherwise. See Mel Gibson or Gary Oldman.

    Topics like this are not good for demonstrating the good faith of some of the Jewish commenters here. And I am sure they will say the same about me. The question is whose statements are actually true (and responsive to the point, say not just pointing out a few errors in that CNN list, which wasn’t even actually done in this case, just implied).

    This article is a good way to end this comment: https://www.timesofisrael.com/google-steps-in-to-stop-jews-running-hollywood/

    Hopefully that source is reasonably credible: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/times-of-israel/
    It is all too easy to accidentally cite a “disreputable” source and be discredited that way. Even if the point at issue is showing a photo of an LA Times article headlined “Is Hollywood run by Jews? You Bet!”.

    And remember, as far as I can tell there were no repercussions for Stein. Well, aside from having the title of his article changed: http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/19/opinion/oe-stein19

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    But I notice there usually (as here) is not engagement with how much of lists like that are correct and the underlying point.
     
    I'm not going to try to squint to read this one, but the last such list that was posted here - the supposed Israeli dual citizens in the US government - contained 0% correct information. Not a single name on there was actually a dual citizen, and some, like Donald Rumsfeld, were not even Jewish. These lists are made by dumb asses and spread by dupes for the consumption of idiots.
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  215. @Lot
    My short analysis:

    Right wing antisemites in Europe and the USA as a group are small, weak, poor, disorganized, stupid and very unpopular. The left tries to scare Jews with them, but the number of Jews killed by right wing antisemites in the entire West most years is ZERO, and in the past 50 years under 100 total. More Jews die from random NAM street violence, probably by a factor of 200 or more.

    Left wing BDSers really are not antisemites for the most part. Rather, left wing BDS is really just hatred of whites generally. Israel is the focus of left wing antiwhite hate because it is the only place in the entire world where whites are growing demographically at the expense of non whites. Every other white country in the world, more than 50 of them, is rapidly dying out due to fertility far below replacement plus third world invadors. At current trends Israel will be the only country in the entire world with a larger white population in 2040 than it does today. And virtually all of Western Europe/Anglosphere will have a non-white majority of under 40s.

    Trump and Putin may defy the left's antiwhite line with their words. And that is better than nothing, and earns them the hate of the left. But neither have actually stopped much less reversed white demographic decline. Every single year of Putin's long tenure Russia's non elderly white population declined and its Muslim population increased. Every single year of Trump's presidency the non elderly white population of the USA will also decline while its African and Muslim population grows.

    Israel is the only government in the world that is securing its borders and making white children for the future. That, not any animus specific to Jews, is why the left of the entire world wants to destroy it.

    http://bennorton.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/netanyahu-school.jpg

    Every single year of Trump’s presidency the non elderly white population of the USA will also decline while its African and Muslim population grows.

    Depressingly true.

    It’s already clear that despite the immense powers of the Presidency and Trump’s bombast and disdain for orthodoxy, we’re going to get very, very little positive out of this Trump thing. The main win is avoiding the damage the beast would have done, and the education the (highly Jewish) anti-Trump hysteria is providing to white normies.

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    It’s already clear that despite the immense powers of the Presidency and Trump’s bombast and disdain for orthodoxy, we’re going to get very, very little positive out of this Trump thing.
     
    What are you looking for out of Trump? One man cannot change a destiny of nation, although he might modify it quite a bit. If you can't find a way to drag yourself to Mass each Sunday, despite clear intelligence and good education, why complain that Trump isn't fixing this problem for you? What virtue do you add back to the society besides a complaint that the Jews are making use lazy and indifferent to the future?
    , @Lot
    The numbers are depressing, but thinking about what they translate to is so sad you will have to stop yourself before long.


    Think of the ruins of Detroit, but instead of those abandoned and stately Art Nouveau skyscrapers, the most beautiful cities in Europe that our ancestors spent centuries building, falling apart in disrepair and vandalism, and our ancient homelands reduced to the teeming squalor of Calcutta, Yemen and Nigeria.

    Picture the 300 africans and gypsies with their filthy camps surrounding all the major Paris train stations today, their tents blocking the street and sidewalk, their feces piling up on the curbs and grass, and then multiply their numbers by 10 and imagine them around and inside every public building.

    Picture in your mind the worst no-go ghetto you've seen in the USA, and then picture every working class white part of your town turning into that.

    Think of how you felt the first time you saw some full-burka-wearing Muslimas and their surly, dumb-eyes looking husbands casually walking around your local mall or big box store. Then think of them being the large majority of the people in large parts of the USA.
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  217. songbird says:
    @J.Ross
    I don't see a lot of contradictions (or opportunities for recruitment).
    Does it clarify anything if I propose that "the Jews" (for purposes of most political discussion) only ever described the "organizational Jews" and ruling caste, which, in the tradition of the ruling classes of all peoples, has always been happy to selflessly sacrifice their people?
    Yes, there is heavy involvement lower down -- Jews as a matter of definition are automatic "party actives." But the commands only ever flow one way.
    I have met working class Jews (wierdly, we have a pretty big and diverse Jewish population in Michigan) and they're as reliably right-wing as rednecks, probably for the same reasons. It is safe to assume that their feelings do not enter into any discussions at the ADL, ZOA, the Congress of Jewish Organizations, AIPAC/J-Street, and so on.

    I think there is definitely a big difference between the more urban and less urban Jews. For instance, in MA, Boston area compared to Worcester area. I don’t think it is purely geocultural either, but probably familial. If you traced out their genealogies and read old censuses, their ancestors probably had vastly different professions. Theater troup vs. haberdashery.

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  218. AndrewR says:

    the real importance of the Israel-Palestine conflict is that it’s one of the few remaining examples of a white v. non-white struggle taking place in the realm of geopolitics.

    Lmaooooo!!!!

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  219. Sean says:
    @Art Deco
    American Jews can only attain high status within their community by espousing the cause of Israel.

    American Jews attain high status in their community and outside of it by building medical practices, law practices, academic careers, and lucrative businesses.


    The Podhoretzs know how to be Making It.

    Norman Podhoretz managed to persuade the American Jewish Committee to pay him a salary sufficient to afford an address on the Upper West Side with neighbors which included Madeleine L'Engle and a second piece of real estate in the Hamptons. Not bad for an employee of an eleemosynary, but I would not recommend you go to work for a philanthropic concern if fancy real estate is what you want out of life. (His wife worked for a publishing house, who aren't famous for paying handsome salaries).

    Like you, Ben

    The foregoing remarks you make couldn't be more obtuse. The bulk of the Arabs on the West Bank live in their own enclaves, not in Israel or on any piece of land Israel administers or patrols. They wouldn't sign on the dotted line for their own state in the territory as a whole, so they got disconnected bits.


    The US mandarins probably decided to let the Israelis build settlements in the knowledge

    The Government of Israel built the settlements. The first batch were for security purposes and placed in sparsely populated areas along the Jordan River. The colonization settlements were demarcated during the period running from 1977 to 1986 and have added cottages in increments ever since. The final increment was the foundation of Modin Illit, in 1995 which sits right on the Green Line. They were constructed over the public objections of the Carter Administration, though the Reagan Administration never made much of them. All the plans bruited about over the last 40 years have incorporated dismantling the settlements as a feature. Less than 10% of the Arab population on the West Bank lives in the zone wherein the settlements sit.


    The US foreign policy brains trust doesn’t think it possible that the Israelis would dare kick the occupied territories’ Arabs over the river, but I think when pushed into a corner (and they will be eventually) Israel will expel the Palestinians–probably under cover of a war taking in Jordan.

    There isn't any need to expel the Arabs. The security threat they've posed has been contained, they're too poor and incompetent to organize anything more sophisticated than criminal mafias, and the EU and the UN have taken their care and feeding off Israel's books.

    Noted Talmudic scholars invariably became wealthy because they were the recipient of many valuable emoluments as gifts from rich men within the community who wanted to seen as admirable Jews (not just enviable ones ). Podhoretz knew that being Israel’s defender was the royal road to Fat City.

    Certain American Jewish organisations gave implicit support to Apartheid South Africa but were caught on the wrong side of history.You think time is on Israels side. Well Ehud Barak still disagrees with you. And so do the representatives of Palestinians because they turned down Barak’s deal believing a much better one would have to be offered in the future. The danger from the Arabs is not military but rather political. In fact the more peaceful the West Bank and ME generally becomes the more salient the Palestinian’s political threat to Israel will become.

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    Certain American Jewish organisations gave implicit support to Apartheid South Africa but were caught on the wrong side of history.

    I think they had it under total control. The green light for the transformation in SA would not be possible w/o Israel giving the final OK. They got what they wanted in nuclear development and testing. Perhaps they suffered some losses in travel and gambling industry. Yes, the history was not on their side but they were not asleep at the switch.
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  220. Tulip says:

    I think an anti-zionist anti-semitic purge will eventually descend on the Democratic Party.

    The anti-white/diversity schmaltz is clearly about organizing against an external enemy. As America diversifies, whites will continue to vote on the basis of identity in increasing numbers, and the GOP becomes increasingly wacky from a “Mainstream” perspective, while whites will be leaving the Democrats in droves.

    If the Jews remain wedded to the Democrats, then up and coming groups like Asians and Hispanics will need some rationale to try and push out the existing leadership to make room for their people. Further, Jewish politicians will have less and less liberal and working class whites backing them, as the white liberal dies out and the WWC goes GOP. Zionism (and Implicit Zionism) will become a useful ideological tool for promoting greater diversity in the Democratic leadership cadres (e.g marginalizing Jews). Plus the European Left is surely going to have influence in America, and the Israel Apartheid narrative is just such a left-wing peach. If I were more conspiratorial, I would suspect the Trans bathroom crusade is a clever way to distract from the Palestinian Question.

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    If the Jews remain wedded to the Democrats,
     
    Jews are not wedded to the Dems. The three fast growing types of Jews are

    1. Russian immigrants (not coming in large numbers anymore, but becoming a citizen takes a while so as a voting block they are getting bigger)

    2. Observant Orthodox

    3. Ultra-orthodox and Hasidics

    Group 1 as people have noted here vote GOP like a lot of other groups who fled communism. Russian Christian-background immigrants are also very big on the GOP. Russian "Jews" are quite often half or less Jewish by blood and very assimilated and similar to their secular Christian-ancestry relatives and neighbors.

    Group 2 are high fertility, well off, and personally socially conservative.

    Group 3 tends to block vote for whoever their local leaders endorse, so at times will block vote for a Democrat they like in a particular election. However, in 2016 they voted for Trump over Hillary by about 70-30.

    The remaining groups of Jews have low fertility and when they do have kids, about 80% of the time it is with a non-Jew. So they are disappearing. Before long, most secular full Jews will be people who rebelled against groups 1 to 3.

    If you look at a map of NYC, the few areas that Trump won are primarily Jewish areas, plus a few blue collar Italian areas of Staten Island or areas with mixed Christian and Jewish East Euro immigrants.
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  221. Carneades says:
    @Art Deco
    You're missing a vector in there. Antagonism to Jews has never been of much consequence in political life in this country bar during the inter-war period. The most prominent starboard anti-semites of that era were Charles Coughlin, Charles Lindbergh, and Gerald L. K. Smith. Lindbergh kept a low profile after the war, Smith largely withdrew from public life more than 50 years ago, and Coughlin was silenced by his bishop in 1940. All three men had died by 1980.

    Lindbergh kept a low profile after the war

    So low profile that he won the Pulitzer Prize in 1954 for his international best-seller The Spirit of St. Louis, President Eisenhower had him commissioned a Brigadier General in 1955, he co-hosted with Walter Cronkite CBS television’s live coverage of the Apollo 11 lunar landing, two more postage stamps honoring his transatlantic flight were issued by the U.S Post Office in 1977 and 1998 (under Democrat administrations), and ever since it opened the first thing you see when you walk in the front door of the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum is The Spirit of St. Louis on prominent display.

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    I think he means Lindbergh avoided making comments offensive to the NYT worldview. By such measures Mel Gibson might be thought to be keeping a low profile which might be distinguished from a Michael Richards low profile (I assume Richards' low profile is involuntary-don't know).
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  222. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Simon in London
    I definitely think the anti-white Left count Israel as white and count Turkey as non-white, whatever the respective genetics. They do treat whiteness as a social construct to that extent - Israeli culture is largely European. They don't know or care about Turks & Turkish culture.

    You’re suggesting that it’s about social constructs and not about genetics, with respect to Israel and the Left, which goes against Lot’s point.

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    I certainly think Israel's European culture is a big part of it. Maybe the Left hates the Ashkenazi for their 40% German genes... But not consciously.

    Certainly treating Italians & Spaniards & Greeks as "white" but western Turks as non-white, is cultural. IME the Turks I interact with look physically whiter than most of the Italians I meet.
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  223. Curle says:
    @Carneades

    Lindbergh kept a low profile after the war
     
    So low profile that he won the Pulitzer Prize in 1954 for his international best-seller The Spirit of St. Louis, President Eisenhower had him commissioned a Brigadier General in 1955, he co-hosted with Walter Cronkite CBS television's live coverage of the Apollo 11 lunar landing, two more postage stamps honoring his transatlantic flight were issued by the U.S Post Office in 1977 and 1998 (under Democrat administrations), and ever since it opened the first thing you see when you walk in the front door of the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum is The Spirit of St. Louis on prominent display.

    I think he means Lindbergh avoided making comments offensive to the NYT worldview. By such measures Mel Gibson might be thought to be keeping a low profile which might be distinguished from a Michael Richards low profile (I assume Richards’ low profile is involuntary-don’t know).

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    No, he meant to disparage Lindbergh and those who oppose interventionism in general. The invite the world/invade the world crowd will brook no dissent.
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  224. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Lot
    I wish boring retards could just pick a nym so they can be added to the ignore list.

    Unless your normal username is your actual name and you want cover for a single post, there is no excuse for disrespecting other readers and posting as anon. If you are not creative just go with "anon73627" or something.

    What was so objectionable about my comment that warrants a personal attack? What is controversial about the idea of indigenous Europeans having their own identity, which necessarily differentiates from the non-indigenous?

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    Comparing European-origin Jews to Turks or "other mideastern" populations (aside from our Levantine Christian brothers in Lebanon and Syria) is insulting/trolling and you know it.

    And other than this troll attempt, your comment has no content.
    , @AM

    What was so objectionable about my comment that warrants a personal attack? What is controversial about the idea of indigenous Europeans having their own identity, which necessarily differentiates from the non-indigenous?
     
    You stepped on Jewish sensibilities, that despite being pointed out repeatedly exist as unique ones, sensitivities that are almost never reciprocated, are demanded to be bent to the point of denial of reality.

    The idea of anonymous poster under the name of "Lot" (has his wife turned to salt yet?) calling out another anonymous poster for being anonymous is pretty funny.

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  225. “Coughlin was silenced by his bishop in 1940″
    Just as Fr Feeney was silenced and ultimately excommunicated by the Church for refusing to keep silent about Jewish power. He also, and this really got the WASPS angry, converted their sons at Harvard at a great clip: a son of John Foster Dulles (who later became a cardinal) and a great-nephew of J P Morgan himself are only the most prominent examples.

    The American Catholic Church fell early, and then brought the rest of the Church down with it at Vatican II.

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    The American Catholic Church fell early, and then brought the rest of the Church down with it at Vatican II.
     
    Vatican II was not quite the terrible beast it became particularly in America. Bishops in the US actually ignored explicit direction from the council. That said, this is essentially a correct timeline, given the reaction of US Bishops to Vatican II.
    , @Art Deco
    The American Catholic Church fell early, and then brought the rest of the Church down with it at Vatican II.

    See

    https://www.amazon.com/Rhine-Flows-into-Tiber-History/dp/0895551861


    The primary motor of the Council was the German episcopacy, not our Bishops.

    The Church in the U.S began to suffer a social-psychological breakdown almost immediately after the Council adjourned (see Bp. Sheen's tenure in Rochester, or Cdl. Dearden's in Detroit). It was stoked by the Holy See's mangling of the liturgy and popular devotions, but it had its own dynamic. Not sure what was up here was at all influential anywhere else.
    , @Art Deco
    Just as Fr Feeney was silenced and ultimately excommunicated by the Church for refusing to keep silent about Jewish power.

    Rubbish. Fr. Feeney was excommunicated for trading in theological heresies and refusing to recant when instructed.
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  226. utu says:
    @Sean
    Noted Talmudic scholars invariably became wealthy because they were the recipient of many valuable emoluments as gifts from rich men within the community who wanted to seen as admirable Jews (not just enviable ones ). Podhoretz knew that being Israel's defender was the royal road to Fat City.

    Certain American Jewish organisations gave implicit support to Apartheid South Africa but were caught on the wrong side of history.You think time is on Israels side. Well Ehud Barak still disagrees with you. And so do the representatives of Palestinians because they turned down Barak's deal believing a much better one would have to be offered in the future. The danger from the Arabs is not military but rather political. In fact the more peaceful the West Bank and ME generally becomes the more salient the Palestinian's political threat to Israel will become.

    Certain American Jewish organisations gave implicit support to Apartheid South Africa but were caught on the wrong side of history.

    I think they had it under total control. The green light for the transformation in SA would not be possible w/o Israel giving the final OK. They got what they wanted in nuclear development and testing. Perhaps they suffered some losses in travel and gambling industry. Yes, the history was not on their side but they were not asleep at the switch.

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    The two state solution would not be official US policy and the American embassy would have been moved to Jerusalem if the Israel lobby had the power you attribute to them. The majority of American Jews are liberals sharing Ben Wattenberg's vision of America as a Universal nation,. The whole tenor of America's official policy toward Israel is against it remaining a Jewish state. Even America cannot afford to ignore world opinion just because a powerful internal group oppose change( desegregation in the South was to placate world opinion) and the world is well on the way to hating what Israel is doing to remain a Jewish state as much as it hated Apartheid South Africa. European Jews are less insulated from the world than American Jews.

    The green light for the transformation in SA would not be possible w/o Israel giving the final OK.
     
    The existence of a Soviet threat, not Israel, was the key factor. South Africa would have gone communist with majority rule so America allowed the Apartheid system to continue even though it was alien to the proclaimed mission of the US.

    Richard Spencer had an excellent point that the Jewish State is an ethnocracy that discriminates in favor of a privileged group. Israel has nothing like the Soviet threat to fall back on, but American Jews either avoid thinking of Israel in such terms, or think it can sail on regardless despite international condemnation. Bantustans didn't work for South Africa and they won't work for Israel.

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  227. Lot says:
    @Anonymous
    What was so objectionable about my comment that warrants a personal attack? What is controversial about the idea of indigenous Europeans having their own identity, which necessarily differentiates from the non-indigenous?

    Comparing European-origin Jews to Turks or “other mideastern” populations (aside from our Levantine Christian brothers in Lebanon and Syria) is insulting/trolling and you know it.

    And other than this troll attempt, your comment has no content.

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    It's not insulting or trolling unless you have some irrational hatred or prejudice against those groups. It's a matter of anthropology and genetics.

    The notion of indigenous European identities is absolutely not content less unless one finds it objectionable or rejects the notion.
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  228. Lot says:
    @Simon in London
    I definitely think the anti-white Left count Israel as white and count Turkey as non-white, whatever the respective genetics. They do treat whiteness as a social construct to that extent - Israeli culture is largely European. They don't know or care about Turks & Turkish culture.

    Don’t try to engage the trolls, it just encourages them.

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  229. @cheers
    "When have blacks EVER dominated non-blacks, in any society at any point in history?"

    The Hatian Revolution.

    Also, the genetics of Madagascar are mostly African paternally and mostly Asian maternally, which implies some form of sexual dominance by black males.

    “Domination” implies a long-term reality. The Haitians defeated and then massacred a tiny French population over a period of 13 years. 1791-1804.
    As you may be aware, France itself was rather preoccupied during that period with a revolution of its own.
    Had Napoleon ultimately prevailed in Europe he would have dispatched a few men-of-war to “reduce” the island and its quite pointless inhabitants. The French governments which followed him took one look at the place and decided it was not worth a moment of their time nor a drop of their blood.
    The continued presence of blacks on that God-forsaken island evinces the domination of nothing over no one.

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    I don't think Napoleon had any intention of re-establishing French hegemony over Haiti. He needed every available troop in order to conquer Europe.
    , @utu
    They were sending troops to Haiti but not enough and British interfered.
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  230. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    Israel is the only government in the world that is securing its borders and making white children for the future.
     
    By this standard, Turkey and other Mideastern countries would be examples of a country " that is securing its borders and making white children for the future."

    "White" really refers to indigenous Europeans i.e. people of Celtic, Germanic, Slavic, Latin, etc. stock.

    making white children for the future

    The construct “white” is foreign and meaningless to Jews. Jews may admit that they walk on two legs like other hominids but it does not mean they ever think they have anything to do this broader categories among human races. Jewishness transcend all categories. The correct phrase would be: making JEWISH children for the future

    Alt-right hopes to find allies among some Jews that are actually sometimes egged on by some Jewish interests are false.

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  231. Lot says:
    @snorlax
    Well, Sudan would be my go-to example of jungle beating jihad; the "Arab" Sudanese were repeatedly handed humiliating defeats with their only saving grace being that it wasn't a total loss; the Christian blacks weren't quite able to completely conquer and/or dismember the country.

    Really? My impression was the “Arabs” in Sudan took everything worth keeping and raid and loot the rest of it. But not an area I follow closely.

    The black-skinned Sudanese Arabs still seem visibly more caucasoid-mixed than the South Sudanese.

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  232. Nico says:
    @Dmitry134564
    There's a famous quote from Hitler on this subject:

    "Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers [...] then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world."[5]

    According to Speer, Hitler stated in private, "The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"

    Hitler was convinced that the Arab conquerors could not have survived in the climate of the north, leaving the German new Muslims largely racially intact. Of course, the descendants of those Arabs are currently dispelling that thesis quite handily up in Sweden, and the notion that Germans could have long remained an intelligent and industrious “master race” A. without the Catholic prohibition on consanguineous marriages to the fourth degree AND B. with the Mohammedan encouragement of first-cousin marriages (over 60% in some countries and over 50% among Pakis in Britain) is simply idiotic on the face of it.

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  233. @Anonymous
    You're suggesting that it's about social constructs and not about genetics, with respect to Israel and the Left, which goes against Lot's point.

    I certainly think Israel’s European culture is a big part of it. Maybe the Left hates the Ashkenazi for their 40% German genes… But not consciously.

    Certainly treating Italians & Spaniards & Greeks as “white” but western Turks as non-white, is cultural. IME the Turks I interact with look physically whiter than most of the Italians I meet.

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    I consider white looking Turks to be white. They're Muslim, but that's not synonymous with non-white. I went to college with plenty of them. They were better at connecting with the locals than most of the foreign students, even the ones from Europe.
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  234. Brutusale says:
    @Art Deco
    1) no they’re not

    Yes they are. Pew's estimate is 3.5 million out of a population of more than 60 million.

    http://www.pewforum.org/2009/10/07/mapping-the-global-muslim-population14/

    Numbers from October of 2009?! WAY beyond your usual mendacity.

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  235. biz says:
    @res

    People inclined to make these lists tend to make comical errors.
     
    That is true. But I notice there usually (as here) is not engagement with how much of lists like that are correct and the underlying point.

    Remember, Jews don't control Hollywood and we will destroy you if you say otherwise. See Mel Gibson or Gary Oldman.

    Topics like this are not good for demonstrating the good faith of some of the Jewish commenters here. And I am sure they will say the same about me. The question is whose statements are actually true (and responsive to the point, say not just pointing out a few errors in that CNN list, which wasn't even actually done in this case, just implied).

    This article is a good way to end this comment: https://www.timesofisrael.com/google-steps-in-to-stop-jews-running-hollywood/

    Hopefully that source is reasonably credible: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/times-of-israel/
    It is all too easy to accidentally cite a "disreputable" source and be discredited that way. Even if the point at issue is showing a photo of an LA Times article headlined "Is Hollywood run by Jews? You Bet!".

    https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2015/09/Screen-Shot-2015-09-04-at-7.03.35-PM-e1441382332472.png

    https://wikispooks.com/w/images/thumb/1/1b/Jews-hollywood.jpg/350px-Jews-hollywood.jpg

    And remember, as far as I can tell there were no repercussions for Stein. Well, aside from having the title of his article changed: http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/19/opinion/oe-stein19

    But I notice there usually (as here) is not engagement with how much of lists like that are correct and the underlying point.

    I’m not going to try to squint to read this one, but the last such list that was posted here – the supposed Israeli dual citizens in the US government – contained 0% correct information. Not a single name on there was actually a dual citizen, and some, like Donald Rumsfeld, were not even Jewish. These lists are made by dumb asses and spread by dupes for the consumption of idiots.

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    Because someone posted one bogus list they are all completely bogus forever after. Got it.

    Any response to the rest of my comment?
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  236. Brutusale says:
    @biz
    Late to the party, but, as I mentioned in the other thread, my take on this prediction of a potential lurch of American Jewry to the right is that it fails to take into account the extraordinarily high rate of intermarriage among secular mainstream Jews in the US vs. Europe (yes, contrary to all of the brain dead idiots in all these threads prattling on about how Jews despise 'goys' etc about 50% of Jews marry non-Jews).

    In Europe (and Israel) there is a huge cultural space to be Jewish by ethnicity and cultural identity but not particularly religious. Not so in the US, where for a variety of reasons secular Jews tend to intermarry with their similarly highly socioeconomically and economically situated WASP, Asian, etc colleagues. As I mentioned, the intermarriage rate in the US is around 50%, and probably higher if only secular Jews are considered.

    So while Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox Jews in America are already politically conservative (for very different reasons though - support for Israel in the case of the former and fundamentalist religious values in the case of the latter), I don't think the future of mainstream secular American Jewry will be that way, because it will increasingly be people who are 1/2 or 1/4 Jewish by ancestry. Rather, their politics will simply be in line with the educated, liberal urban/suburban WASP/Asian etc communities they've married into.

    The two most virulent lefties I know are the Irish wives of friends who are lapsed Jews. It’s almost like my friends set out to find the shiksas that acted the most Jewish.

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  237. Curle says:
    @utu
    By contrast, in Europe, Jews are considered white.

    Until very recently in most Europe white was not a category. You could live whole life and not once had a thought related to your race. Europeans had zero racial identity. But Jews were Jews as opposed to everybody else who was normal, i.e., Christian. Jews were standing out. With immigrants from exotic places the otherness of Jews diminished on relative scale and the Anglo-American concept of whiteness began to spread. European elites (this include Jews) discovered benefits of American multi-ethnic model.

    The Spanish in the New World had quite a racial classification system developed, was that originally developed in Recinquista Spain? Anyone know?

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  238. Stealth says:
    @Anon
    "Jews are not White people".
    http://jewishjournal.com/opinion/219376/jews-not-white-people-jews-support-left-response-dennis-prager/

    Rabbi Lerner, huh?

    Smart people can be really delusional. Despite the fact that there are non-white Jews, the Ashkenazi are indeed white. To say they’re not because some of them have olive skin and black hair is quite a stretch. By that logic, the French are non-white, too. And what about those northern Europeans who are on the dark end of their people’s spectrum? Is Tom Jones non-white? Colin Farrell? Does anyone dispute the whiteness of Mark Zuckerberg?

    Nevertheless, the “we ain’t white” crowd seems to be finding their voice these days. Should they prevail, it will be interesting to see what will happen after they burn the bridge.

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  239. Curle says:
    @Tiny Duck
    The victim mentality here is amusing and sbaffling. Leonard Pitts has pointed out the absurdity of white men complaining about oppression. As he says whites enjoy advantages in housing health and employment. What you guys are scared of is a level playing field

    The future will be equal. Hisrtiry will be told that better reflects that white men never invented anything. Your daughters will bear Childten of olir and your sons will be muslins

    Tiny, you make some good points but I remain perplexed by the decision of your presumed forefathers to escape when offered their own Colony first in Liberia and later when Lincoln contemplated a Panama colony for America’s black population? In both instances black leaders and their charges either balked at the the schemes or largely avoided them altogether even when tied to American funding; preferring it would appear to stay tied down and oppressed by Whitey. On an actions speak louder than words scale it seems blacks fear little more than being separated from their white benefactors.

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  240. Stealth says:
    @Simon in London
    I certainly think Israel's European culture is a big part of it. Maybe the Left hates the Ashkenazi for their 40% German genes... But not consciously.

    Certainly treating Italians & Spaniards & Greeks as "white" but western Turks as non-white, is cultural. IME the Turks I interact with look physically whiter than most of the Italians I meet.

    I consider white looking Turks to be white. They’re Muslim, but that’s not synonymous with non-white. I went to college with plenty of them. They were better at connecting with the locals than most of the foreign students, even the ones from Europe.

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  241. biz says:
    @Peripatetic commenter
    They seem to reveal their true attitudes:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIuUmDhXcAEaw5X.jpg

    Maybe I am missing a joke here but that is so clearly a photoshop of Ben Shapiro’s head on someone else’s body. The hands holding the sign are even black, so who knows what the sign said before photoshop.

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  242. Anon says: • Website • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    "Jews are not White people".
    http://jewishjournal.com/opinion/219376/jews-not-white-people-jews-support-left-response-dennis-prager/

    The answer is quite simple. As Jews we are commanded each year at the Passover to feel as if we were in Egypt as slaves. As slaves who were part of a liberation movement, we identify and support the cause of the oppressed. We identify with the cause of African-Americans in this country because they were slaves in this country.

    But didn’t ancient Hebrews also have slaves? Didn’t they commit genocide against Canaanites?

    Also, blacks claim that Egyptians were black, so ancient Hebrews were enslaved by blacks.

    In freeing Jews from ‘black’ Egyptians, ‘black’ lives certainly didn’t matter during Passover and thereafter.

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  243. Curle says:
    @Maj. Kong

    Where are non whites going go get their anti semitic ideas from if the media remains rabidly philosemitic?
     
    The power of the mainstream media is not what it once was. The number of journalists and circulations is locked into a secular decline. The censorship by the Silicon Dons is a reaction to the Overton Window shift that resulted from "meme magic".

    H. Clinton was planning on massive Islamic immigration, search the TiSA agreement, which was going to allow unlimited movement from Pakistan to the US, with other countries almost certainly added later. The number of refugees was being proposed at 1-2 millions per year.

    During the run-up to the election, I posted that the first thing I would do in the event of H. Clinton stealing the election, was to form a "Conservatives for BDS" movement. I can't be the only one to have put 2 and 2 together.

    It is worth noting that most Latin American countries have minimal sympathies for Israel (pro-US Colombia is one of the exceptions). I think you are limited in imagining that anti-Jewish sentiment would remain on the left. Should even one-fifth of the right switch to an anti-Israel stance, it isn't likely to cause the left to become more pro-Israel in response.

    Note the rise Nation of Islam in the 90s under Farrakhan, the Jewish intellectuals spilled much ink on the "loss of the black-Jewish alliance". Left-wing Zionists have a fundamental contradiction in that the most strongest supporters of Israel (right wing evangelical Protestants in the South), happen to be the most despised group in America.

    You might also have not noticed the prominence of a certain Linda Sarsour.

    *Even if people start criticizing jewish success and influence the same way they do that of white gentiles that’s still not antisemitism, that’s just being fair.
     
    Fair doesn't matter when you are "chosen".

    “Overton Window shift that resulted from “meme magic”.”

    Can someone elaborate as to how ‘meme magic’ caused the Overton window to shift? I know what a meme is.

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    "Meme magic" = White Identity Politics

    Prior to the '16 election, the GOP message was always called out by liberals as "dog whistling", which was ineffective. The use of memes from /pol/ and others helped legitimize white identity politics via bloc voting. Without that, younger white Bernie voters from MI, WI and PA would not have shifted into the Trump column. (Trump also benefited from a gain among black males, and lower black turnout overall)
    , @Carneades
    It's the theory that the window moved right when the alt.right started posting Pepe cartoons on 4chan. Dubious but to the extant it's true it is probably more likely that the window got stretched wider from both directions.
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  244. Glaivester says: • Website

    Perhaps the fact that more European Jews than American Jews are Holocaust survivors (or now their descendants), and the fact that they went through deprivations after the war, means that European Jews are more K-selected than American ones.

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  245. AM says:
    @AnotherDad

    Every single year of Trump’s presidency the non elderly white population of the USA will also decline while its African and Muslim population grows.
     
    Depressingly true.

    It's already clear that despite the immense powers of the Presidency and Trump's bombast and disdain for orthodoxy, we're going to get very, very little positive out of this Trump thing. The main win is avoiding the damage the beast would have done, and the education the (highly Jewish) anti-Trump hysteria is providing to white normies.

    It’s already clear that despite the immense powers of the Presidency and Trump’s bombast and disdain for orthodoxy, we’re going to get very, very little positive out of this Trump thing.

    What are you looking for out of Trump? One man cannot change a destiny of nation, although he might modify it quite a bit. If you can’t find a way to drag yourself to Mass each Sunday, despite clear intelligence and good education, why complain that Trump isn’t fixing this problem for you? What virtue do you add back to the society besides a complaint that the Jews are making use lazy and indifferent to the future?

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  246. notanon says:
    @Anon
    Jihad beat jungle in Sudan.

    Janjuid are 'culturally' Arab but mostly black. Their Islam is primitive and thuggish. So, it was jungle Muslims vs jungle animists vs jungle Christians. Look at black Christian culture in the US. It's all hollering and dancing.

    Also, it was no-holds-barred in Sudan. No rule of law. So, better-organized groups could better use extreme violence to destroy the enemy.

    Not so in the EU where guns are proscribed and where rule of law does apply. So, Arabs cannot fight in ISIS or Janjuid manner in EU, terrorist attacks notwithstanding.

    In EU, it's Arab individuals with fists vs blacks with fists. Blacks will win. Also, blacks will conquer more white wombs.

    In EU, it’s Arab individuals with fists vs blacks with fists. Blacks will win.

    nonsense as always – it will be knives and machetes and Somali muslims will win cos their combo of high psychopathy + clannishness is ideal for small scale gang violence – it’s already happening

    (white gangs vs black gangs in europe was fists vs knives – cos the white gangs had lower level of psychopathy – that’s why they lost)

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  247. AM says:
    @Old Palo Altan
    "Coughlin was silenced by his bishop in 1940"
    Just as Fr Feeney was silenced and ultimately excommunicated by the Church for refusing to keep silent about Jewish power. He also, and this really got the WASPS angry, converted their sons at Harvard at a great clip: a son of John Foster Dulles (who later became a cardinal) and a great-nephew of J P Morgan himself are only the most prominent examples.

    The American Catholic Church fell early, and then brought the rest of the Church down with it at Vatican II.

    The American Catholic Church fell early, and then brought the rest of the Church down with it at Vatican II.

    Vatican II was not quite the terrible beast it became particularly in America. Bishops in the US actually ignored explicit direction from the council. That said, this is essentially a correct timeline, given the reaction of US Bishops to Vatican II.

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  248. AM says:
    @Anonymous
    What was so objectionable about my comment that warrants a personal attack? What is controversial about the idea of indigenous Europeans having their own identity, which necessarily differentiates from the non-indigenous?

    What was so objectionable about my comment that warrants a personal attack? What is controversial about the idea of indigenous Europeans having their own identity, which necessarily differentiates from the non-indigenous?

    You stepped on Jewish sensibilities, that despite being pointed out repeatedly exist as unique ones, sensitivities that are almost never reciprocated, are demanded to be bent to the point of denial of reality.

    The idea of anonymous poster under the name of “Lot” (has his wife turned to salt yet?) calling out another anonymous poster for being anonymous is pretty funny.

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  249. Lot says:
    @AnotherDad

    Every single year of Trump’s presidency the non elderly white population of the USA will also decline while its African and Muslim population grows.
     
    Depressingly true.

    It's already clear that despite the immense powers of the Presidency and Trump's bombast and disdain for orthodoxy, we're going to get very, very little positive out of this Trump thing. The main win is avoiding the damage the beast would have done, and the education the (highly Jewish) anti-Trump hysteria is providing to white normies.

    The numbers are depressing, but thinking about what they translate to is so sad you will have to stop yourself before long.

    Think of the ruins of Detroit, but instead of those abandoned and stately Art Nouveau skyscrapers, the most beautiful cities in Europe that our ancestors spent centuries building, falling apart in disrepair and vandalism, and our ancient homelands reduced to the teeming squalor of Calcutta, Yemen and Nigeria.

    Picture the 300 africans and gypsies with their filthy camps surrounding all the major Paris train stations today, their tents blocking the street and sidewalk, their feces piling up on the curbs and grass, and then multiply their numbers by 10 and imagine them around and inside every public building.

    Picture in your mind the worst no-go ghetto you’ve seen in the USA, and then picture every working class white part of your town turning into that.

    Think of how you felt the first time you saw some full-burka-wearing Muslimas and their surly, dumb-eyes looking husbands casually walking around your local mall or big box store. Then think of them being the large majority of the people in large parts of the USA.

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    our ancient homelands reduced to the teeming squalor of Calcutta, Yemen and Nigeria.

    Picture the 300 africans and gypsies with their filthy camps surrounding all the major Paris train stations today, their tents blocking the street and sidewalk, their feces piling up on the curbs and grass, and then multiply their numbers by 10 and imagine them around and inside every public building
     
    '' and doing exactly what for money? How will they manage to feed themselves, unless large numbers of Whitey survive and prosper enough to be taxed, or at least to run societies into which these talentless, illiterate beggars can be shoehorned? Basically they'll end up as mendicant tribes, Gypsies MkII, or leave for greener pastures and that won't be Russia, will it?
    In northern Europe at least, one of the reasons for sticking to one wife (marriage delayed until 20s, in many traditional societies) and having fewer kids was the everpresent shadow of General Winter. No point having shedloads of brats if they starve by their first Easter after weaning.

    tl;dr without Europeans, Europe is a pretty terrible place to live. It'd likely revert to climax oak and conifer forest, separated by huge cold swamps and mountains. Bring on the wolves!
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  250. Carneades says:
    @biz
    I don't even have to squint to try to read that cut-and-paste image to know it is riddled with errors. Like the one that someone (you?) posted claiming that there were 50 "dual citizens of Israel" in the US government which proceeded to list exactly zero people who were actual dual citizens?

    Squint harder or get glasses. I don’t know who came up with or posted the 50 dual citizenship number or how you know that there are zero either. There are thousands of Jews with dual citizenship as there are with many other countries that allow it. We in the US are pretty liberal in allowing our citizens to have multiple passports. I don’t know how many specifically work for the feds but the sheer volume would presuppose me to believe that it is not zero for any of our allied countries like the ones in NATO or the Anglosphere.

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  251. Carneades says:
    @Curle
    I think he means Lindbergh avoided making comments offensive to the NYT worldview. By such measures Mel Gibson might be thought to be keeping a low profile which might be distinguished from a Michael Richards low profile (I assume Richards' low profile is involuntary-don't know).

    No, he meant to disparage Lindbergh and those who oppose interventionism in general. The invite the world/invade the world crowd will brook no dissent.

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  252. Maj. Kong says:
    @Curle
    "Overton Window shift that resulted from “meme magic”."

    Can someone elaborate as to how 'meme magic' caused the Overton window to shift? I know what a meme is.

    “Meme magic” = White Identity Politics

    Prior to the ’16 election, the GOP message was always called out by liberals as “dog whistling”, which was ineffective. The use of memes from /pol/ and others helped legitimize white identity politics via bloc voting. Without that, younger white Bernie voters from MI, WI and PA would not have shifted into the Trump column. (Trump also benefited from a gain among black males, and lower black turnout overall)

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  253. Carneades says:
    @Old Palo Altan
    "Domination" implies a long-term reality. The Haitians defeated and then massacred a tiny French population over a period of 13 years. 1791-1804.
    As you may be aware, France itself was rather preoccupied during that period with a revolution of its own.
    Had Napoleon ultimately prevailed in Europe he would have dispatched a few men-of-war to "reduce" the island and its quite pointless inhabitants. The French governments which followed him took one look at the place and decided it was not worth a moment of their time nor a drop of their blood.
    The continued presence of blacks on that God-forsaken island evinces the domination of nothing over no one.

    I don’t think Napoleon had any intention of re-establishing French hegemony over Haiti. He needed every available troop in order to conquer Europe.

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  254. Whiskey says: • Website

    Everyone is overthinking things. European Jews were pushed out of positions: in politics, in business, in government, in entertainment, first and decisively, by Muslim immigrants.

    Jews are almost entirely absent in European public life in the way that they are present or dominant in certain areas: the law, politics, and entertainment in the USA.

    Here in the USA, Jews are part of the broad coalition of White women, Blacks, Gays, non-Whites, Upper Class WASPs, etc. that have seized a hereditary set of positions in pretty much the entire leadership class and so are by default, massively left wing the way Silicon Valley and the CIA is massively left wing. Jay Coddington Vanderbilt IV is not about to let you deplorables have a say in how he and his cohorts run the country, and that includes the fabulous Indonesian Muslim with the gay affect in the Presidency and the “exotic” Jewish dude at Goldman Sachs, who at least is not the “real enemy” — Joe Redneck with his bass boat rescuing people in Houston. How Gauche!

    By contrast European Jews were quickly purged starting in the 1970s by Muslims angry and aggressive who cannot stand Jews among all other White people. So purged they were, with a few isolated outposts being ever more insecure. By and large, this is why the European Jews are more right wing than the American Jews — they got purged.

    American Jews are getting there. One of the BLM results is a rapid purging of Jews in Hollywood. For example, there was that Agent in one of th ebig agencies that had copied his assistant to some rude email that got him fired, among his other complaints was that another Jewish guy got canned. Look at ABC — it might as well be called “All Black Comedies” as it seems every single show has a nearly all Black cast. With all Black producers, show-runners, writers, etc.

    This is due to … MATH. There are only so many Hollywood producing, writing, directing, and acting jobs. Same with politics, and business, and government jobs. There are only so many. In order for someone to win, another must lose. See Michelle Obama and her “White dudes have to go” command regarding jobs for Blacks. Being so totally SWPL American Jews have no defense against this and will be pushed out — no one fears either Jewish riots or Jewish guys going nuts and massacring the office party.

    Kick out Jews from Hollywood which they created, finance, government, etc. and they will be as angry and bitter as any exile.

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    European Jews have not been purged from the media elites by Muslims (leaving aside the Charlie Hebdo massacre). This seems like complete fantasy. Here in Britain, Politically Correct Jews and WASPS in the TV industry have put increasing numbers of young female Muslims in presenter roles, but there is no sign of Jews being pushed out of Producer roles. In the print media there is almost no Muslim presence.
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  255. Carneades says:
    @Curle
    "Overton Window shift that resulted from “meme magic”."

    Can someone elaborate as to how 'meme magic' caused the Overton window to shift? I know what a meme is.

    It’s the theory that the window moved right when the alt.right started posting Pepe cartoons on 4chan. Dubious but to the extant it’s true it is probably more likely that the window got stretched wider from both directions.

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  256. utu says:
    @Old Palo Altan
    "Domination" implies a long-term reality. The Haitians defeated and then massacred a tiny French population over a period of 13 years. 1791-1804.
    As you may be aware, France itself was rather preoccupied during that period with a revolution of its own.
    Had Napoleon ultimately prevailed in Europe he would have dispatched a few men-of-war to "reduce" the island and its quite pointless inhabitants. The French governments which followed him took one look at the place and decided it was not worth a moment of their time nor a drop of their blood.
    The continued presence of blacks on that God-forsaken island evinces the domination of nothing over no one.

    They were sending troops to Haiti but not enough and British interfered.

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  257. Lot says:
    @Tulip
    I think an anti-zionist anti-semitic purge will eventually descend on the Democratic Party.

    The anti-white/diversity schmaltz is clearly about organizing against an external enemy. As America diversifies, whites will continue to vote on the basis of identity in increasing numbers, and the GOP becomes increasingly wacky from a "Mainstream" perspective, while whites will be leaving the Democrats in droves.

    If the Jews remain wedded to the Democrats, then up and coming groups like Asians and Hispanics will need some rationale to try and push out the existing leadership to make room for their people. Further, Jewish politicians will have less and less liberal and working class whites backing them, as the white liberal dies out and the WWC goes GOP. Zionism (and Implicit Zionism) will become a useful ideological tool for promoting greater diversity in the Democratic leadership cadres (e.g marginalizing Jews). Plus the European Left is surely going to have influence in America, and the Israel Apartheid narrative is just such a left-wing peach. If I were more conspiratorial, I would suspect the Trans bathroom crusade is a clever way to distract from the Palestinian Question.

    If the Jews remain wedded to the Democrats,

    Jews are not wedded to the Dems. The three fast growing types of Jews are

    1. Russian immigrants (not coming in large numbers anymore, but becoming a citizen takes a while so as a voting block they are getting bigger)

    2. Observant Orthodox

    3. Ultra-orthodox and Hasidics

    Group 1 as people have noted here vote GOP like a lot of other groups who fled communism. Russian Christian-background immigrants are also very big on the GOP. Russian “Jews” are quite often half or less Jewish by blood and very assimilated and similar to their secular Christian-ancestry relatives and neighbors.

    Group 2 are high fertility, well off, and personally socially conservative.

    Group 3 tends to block vote for whoever their local leaders endorse, so at times will block vote for a Democrat they like in a particular election. However, in 2016 they voted for Trump over Hillary by about 70-30.

    The remaining groups of Jews have low fertility and when they do have kids, about 80% of the time it is with a non-Jew. So they are disappearing. Before long, most secular full Jews will be people who rebelled against groups 1 to 3.

    If you look at a map of NYC, the few areas that Trump won are primarily Jewish areas, plus a few blue collar Italian areas of Staten Island or areas with mixed Christian and Jewish East Euro immigrants.

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  258. biz says:
    @Anonymous
    If that's so, then why does practically every Jewish person I hear eventually bring out the tales of their grandmother who escaped the Holocaust?

    Perhaps you live in an area where a high concentration of Holocaust survivors settled, such as Skokie, Illinios. Or maybe you’re making it up.

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  259. @Kevin in Ohio
    Which so boggles the mind because Europeans do love their secularism.

    Yet, is there any other way forward?

    On one hand, politics is about power. On the other, embracing Islam would completely invalidate their worldview and ideology. One cannot be a radical queer feminist and a Mohammadean. Though I do suppose they're just the useful idiots in all this, but one wonders...

    Unless, of course, as I suspect, we've entered Bizzaro World:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0LPIc5JIFwk

    One cannot be a radical queer feminist and a Mohammadean.

    No, but one can be a radical queer pederast and a Mohammedan, as is common in Afghanistan.

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  260. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @NickG

    The Soviet Union, and Communism in general, started out as internationalist, not nationalist.
     
    Internationalist with heartfelt paeans to Mother Russia. And of course famously the Soviet Communist party designated the fight against their erstwhile Nazi allies in divvying up Poland - 'The Great Patriotic War'.

    Of course neo Marxists have morphed back to post nation stage globalist internationalism and traded in Marx's proletariat for social justice and identity politics.

    Stalin was pragmatic when the survival of the USSR was at stake, with appeals to patriotism, temporarily allowing military officers to have some of the classist symbols of their rank, reeling in the commissars, etc.

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  261. Lagertha says:

    duh, major duh. Most Americans my age (50ish) do not have a comprehensive knowledge of what really went on beyond the Front. I have a very poor opinion of Americans as a result ( as far as the history they have learned in High School and in our Universities) ….because they are so easily persuaded by leftist partisans, or any people dumber than me! I am 57 years old…and, I think we are still doomed if we allow Bolsheviks to overtake everything, good and decent in this country. However. boom. Democrat people oriented are not creators of things, builders, developers….and, today’s Demo sorry-assed losers do not know how to create jobs – they are incapable of that….they just are. I never thought I would actually hate people, but yeah….growing list

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  262. Lagertha says:

    Haha…Steve and all the lost boys on Unz…I just watched Jaws 2 (supposed shit bag-splains everything. 2nd rate movie (4th rate)..but presented the PC narrative (until the shark kills you – kinda-cool if you are sick, or not!) b of what is going on today: someone bigger and badder is gonna destroy you.

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  263. Lagertha says:

    European Jews are smarter. Euro Jews are more intelligent for obvious reasons. Also, European Jews know the End Game in 10-30 years.

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  264. @Classical Liberal
    The Alt Right is too Dumb for Genetics (and Maths)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeCdH4yZ6sM&t=420s

    "Race Realists" BTFO. Go back to playing video games in your parents basement.

    Did someone listen to this PC-dogmatic drivel and find themselves scientifically convinced? If so, they have no wisdom about how to interpret statistical data from a scientific perspective. This video gives a dogmatic ideology posing as scientific thinking.

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  265. Nico says:
    @Art Deco
    especially after Bill Clinton destroyed what was left of the syndicalist blue-collar wing of the Democratic Party.

    Clinton didn't destroy 'the syndicalist blue collar wing'. He was less deferential to the conventional unions than was Walter Mondale, but so was every other man who has placed well in presidential nominating derbies in the last 4 decades (with the possible exceptions of Ted Kennedy and Tom Harkin). Union penetration of private sector employment was at its peak in 1955. It's declined as the ratio of service workers to industrial workers in the economy has grown. The ratio of union to non-union employees in the private sector in 1955 was about 1:2. By 1999, it was 1:10. The unions did capture ever larger shares of public sector employees and (if I'm not mistaken) public employees now make up half of all union membership). I think you'd have to scrounge to find a Democratic pol outside the South who is content to not be in the NEAs good books.

    Sure. What I meant was that Bill Clinton was the last Democratic president to hold significant appeal to the traditional white working-class base, but he lost it pretty early on in his first term, as the 1994 midterm elections handily demonstrated. (If Clinton nonetheless managed re-election in 1996, he owed his victory to soccer moms and other such squeamish suburbanites in the wake of the OK City bombing.)

    The authors of The Emerging Democratic Majority announced a new Rainbow Coalition predicated on among other things the return of white blue-collar workers to the Democratic Party, but the reality is that the Obama Democrats owed their success more to the white working classes dropping out of the voting booth than to these latter jumping ship.

    The major difference from Europe is that over here, labor unions still have the traditional social-democratic Workers’ International parties to flock to. Thus Macron has zero appeal to working-class voters. In the U.S. they really have no choice but to grin and bear the social-liberal tendencies of the modern Democratic Party, same as in the U.K. during the Blair years. In the end, however, the ascendency of Corbyn made it clear that the social-liberalism of New Labour was a mere blip in history. Will the Democratic Party follow a similar course? I doubt it, but strange things have happened.

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  266. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @snorlax
    He is half-right, in that the Jews who stayed the ones who for reasons of politics, wealth or assimilation didn't particularly mind living under the local Kaiser or Tsar.[1] And that in turn explains why the ones who stayed by and large didn't start trying to emigrate (if at all) until it was already far too late and even then not really acting truly desperately,[2] like they thought their lives were in danger.

    Not that they ought to have in any sense other than hindsight; it's easy to see how a European Jew who always went with the most reasonable, Occam's Razor version of events would've remained oblivious to what was coming right up to the moment gas started coming out of the showerhead, as was indeed often the case.

    Seeing so many European Jews led to their deaths by their neighbors, who they had considered harmless or even friendly, no doubt played a large part in why the majority political current among American Jews so quickly shifted from Marxism to post-Marxist identity-based leftism.[3]

    The same previously idealized "working class" suddenly seemed a vast, sinister, unknowable mass, and every real and imagined slight a death threat. A suspicion developed (entirely understandably, but disastrously) that Jews could never be safe as long as there existed any popular conception of positive racial, religious or masculine/military components to American or European national identities.

    This spectacular failure of Occam's Razor does much to explain too the reluctance of many/most modern-day American Jews to accept Occam's Razor explanations for political and social phenomena in favor of explanations involving secret Nazi cabals plotting to murder all the Jews.

    After all, the price for getting it wrong about Occam's Razor is maybe you elect too many Democrats and they jack up your taxes, let all the crooks out of jail and turn your son into a purple-haired Muslim lesbian married to patio furniture. But the price for getting it wrong about the secret Nazi plot, as 6 million did, is death for you and your whole family and people.

    At least you know 100% everything the Democrats are thinking and planning, and none of it is Nazi murder plots.[4] You can't be more than 99% sure about those strange people from the nether reaches, with their snake-hunting revival shotguns and varmint-handling semiautomatic churches.

    Now, there are plenty of logical and factual problems with this weltanschauung, but it makes perfect emotional sense. The question is not so much "what's the matter with Jews?" (they're acting out of their perceived prudent self-interest), it's "what's the matter with white non-Jews?"

    [1] You can see it clearly enough today; American Jewish folk histories rarely have anything positive to say about the old country or its people, but (IME) the Jackson-Vanik arrivals consider themselves Russian first and Jewish second (or rather 651st; they'd consider me highly remiss not to mention that they're AMERICAN in places 1 through 13×50). They call themselves "Russian," speak affectionately of Russian culture and (ordinary) people, and you have to discover through conversation or contextual inference that they're Jewish.

    [2] Such as: taking Trujillo up on his offer, going to other places that took all comers, Jews-included,[2a] or at least granted entry to most Jewish asylum-seekers (Switzerland, Argentina, Spain, Portugal), immigrating to their destinations illegally or under false identities (more difficult and dangerous then than now, but hardly impossible), traveling openly to Palestine and daring Britain to deport them, or creating false documentation (identity papers, genealogical records, sham marriages) to evade German racial laws. Hundreds of thousands did escape by such means or tried to, but many more did not.

    [2a] The USSR, China (which didn't so much take all comers as it had not, since the Boxer Rebellion, had any government—even the Japanese—able or willing to stop foreigners from coming and going as they pleased) and certain settler colonies—few French Jews went to Algeria between the fall of France and Operation Torch, even though no passport was necessary (it was, almost unique among European colonies, formally annexed by France in 1848) and Vichy-flagged ships were considered neutral.

    [3] This paralleled a simultaneous shift on the left and in American society as a whole, but it's fair to say the trend among Jews 1945-75 was quite dramatic even relative to the center of the Overton Window at any given time.

    [4] Jewish voting habits will flip when they start to be, in large numbers and at high levels, barred from Democrat decision-making bodies on whiteness grounds.

    Indeed. There had been no massacres of Jews in Germany since the Middle Ages. That kind of thing was associated with the wild Russians and other Slavs, not Germans. You can see why so many Jews were taken completely by surprise by the Holocaust. They just didn’t expect it.

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  267. Art Deco says:
    @AM

    The complete loss of memory of the Holocaust amongst that generation makes Israel bereft of any positive connotation.
     
    All modern off the wagon Jews can seem to think about is the Holocaust. That's 70% of all levels of observance of modern Jews say it means to be Jewish. (Only 18% think it's observe judiac law)

    It's like me as Catholic saying what it's like to be Catholic is to remember all the deaths in the Protestant Reformation. Hmm...

    Anyway, it's not the loss of memory of the Holocaust but the lack of the connection between the two. Israel just poofed into being apparently.

    All modern off the wagon Jews can seem to think about is the Holocaust.

    You haven’t met many Jews, have you?

    It’s not difficult to find Jews of a certain age in this country who have spent their lives almost bereft of collateral relatives. That can influence your worldview.

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  268. Art Deco says:
    @Old Palo Altan
    "Coughlin was silenced by his bishop in 1940"
    Just as Fr Feeney was silenced and ultimately excommunicated by the Church for refusing to keep silent about Jewish power. He also, and this really got the WASPS angry, converted their sons at Harvard at a great clip: a son of John Foster Dulles (who later became a cardinal) and a great-nephew of J P Morgan himself are only the most prominent examples.

    The American Catholic Church fell early, and then brought the rest of the Church down with it at Vatican II.

    The American Catholic Church fell early, and then brought the rest of the Church down with it at Vatican II.

    See

    https://www.amazon.com/Rhine-Flows-into-Tiber-History/dp/0895551861

    The primary motor of the Council was the German episcopacy, not our Bishops.

    The Church in the U.S began to suffer a social-psychological breakdown almost immediately after the Council adjourned (see Bp. Sheen’s tenure in Rochester, or Cdl. Dearden’s in Detroit). It was stoked by the Holy See’s mangling of the liturgy and popular devotions, but it had its own dynamic. Not sure what was up here was at all influential anywhere else.

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    "Americanism" is a popular target among traditionalist Catholics of all nationalities. Traditionalists such as followers of the SSPX and Ecclesia Dei groups often fail to realize how thoroughly French the traditionalist movement is, both in its origins and in the counter-cultural forces against which it is reacting and its particular tastes in counter-counter culture. Ostensibly, traditionalist Catholicism is a reaction to Vatican II. In reality, as far as France was concerned, Vatican II merely threw open the window to shed light on the rotten state of the French episcopat. The French hierarchy has been in shambles since 1801, when Pope Pius VII betrayed the memory of the martyrs of the French Revolution - the refractory clergy and the victims of the Vendée massacres - and signed the Concordat with Napoleon, effectively ceding almost every pretension of the Civil Constitution of the Clergy. (The French bishops are among the worst in the world but unlike the German bishops their direct influence on the Church is thankfully minimal.) In fact, while Marcel Lefebvre voted against the document on religious liberty, he voted to ratify the Council as a whole. He founded the SSPX only several years later, after he had seen the rotten core come to light.

    The American role in the Vatican II disaster is subtler. Vatican II certainly bears the marks of sentimental outgrowth from the human rights culture promulgated by the post-war liberal international order, which was certainly spearheaded by the United States via notably Eleanor Roosevelt. Between this and Western European states turned into de facto U.S. vassals, enough bishops were persuaded that it was better to attempt what turned out to be at best an awkward rapprochement of Catholic scholasticism and liberal human rights culture. The latter won, not the least because all the compromises came from the other side.
    , @Old Palo Altan
    The American bishops were fatally influential on two points: the Jews, and religious liberty.
    John Courtney Murray was of great importance on the last point; the first had already been ceded de facto by the Americans and their chortling desire to be liked, particulalry by the powerful (vide Cardinal Dolan of New York for a particularly egregious specimen of the type).
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  269. Art Deco says:
    @Old Palo Altan
    "Coughlin was silenced by his bishop in 1940"
    Just as Fr Feeney was silenced and ultimately excommunicated by the Church for refusing to keep silent about Jewish power. He also, and this really got the WASPS angry, converted their sons at Harvard at a great clip: a son of John Foster Dulles (who later became a cardinal) and a great-nephew of J P Morgan himself are only the most prominent examples.

    The American Catholic Church fell early, and then brought the rest of the Church down with it at Vatican II.

    Just as Fr Feeney was silenced and ultimately excommunicated by the Church for refusing to keep silent about Jewish power.

    Rubbish. Fr. Feeney was excommunicated for trading in theological heresies and refusing to recant when instructed.

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    These were the official reasons, but the Jewish question was the motor, at least in the USA.

    Feeney never held any heresy of any kind. When thoughts of reconciling him before his death were mooted, the then Cardinal Ratzinger decided that he need do more than accept the Creed (which of course he had never denied) and express regret for hurt feelings. The cardinal pointed out that since Vatican II so many wild theories about membership in the Church had gone un-reprimanded that so ancient a theory as Extra Eccleisam Nulla Salus, even as interpreted by Feeney, could not be seen as a reason for exclusion from the Church. And so he was reconciled, in 1972.
    By the way his excommunication was, formally, for disobedience: he refused to go to Rome to explain himself. Not the same as refusing to recant; in any case, they knew that his opinions were not excommunicable ones, so they choose this particular method to bring him down.
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  270. @yyrvjh
    Gatesofvienna.net has been covering the story for a while:

    http://gatesofvienna.net/2017/09/poland-takes-up-the-case-of-michael-sturzenberger/

    and earlier:

    http://gatesofvienna.net/2017/08/michael-sturzenberger-six-months-in-prison-for-posting-a-photo-of-hitler-and-the-mufti-on-facebook/

    Hardly any coverage at all in German media.

    Thanks!

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  271. Nico says:
    @Art Deco
    The American Catholic Church fell early, and then brought the rest of the Church down with it at Vatican II.

    See

    https://www.amazon.com/Rhine-Flows-into-Tiber-History/dp/0895551861


    The primary motor of the Council was the German episcopacy, not our Bishops.

    The Church in the U.S began to suffer a social-psychological breakdown almost immediately after the Council adjourned (see Bp. Sheen's tenure in Rochester, or Cdl. Dearden's in Detroit). It was stoked by the Holy See's mangling of the liturgy and popular devotions, but it had its own dynamic. Not sure what was up here was at all influential anywhere else.

    “Americanism” is a popular target among traditionalist Catholics of all nationalities. Traditionalists such as followers of the SSPX and Ecclesia Dei groups often fail to realize how thoroughly French the traditionalist movement is, both in its origins and in the counter-cultural forces against which it is reacting and its particular tastes in counter-counter culture. Ostensibly, traditionalist Catholicism is a reaction to Vatican II. In reality, as far as France was concerned, Vatican II merely threw open the window to shed light on the rotten state of the French episcopat. The French hierarchy has been in shambles since 1801, when Pope Pius VII betrayed the memory of the martyrs of the French Revolution – the refractory clergy and the victims of the Vendée massacres – and signed the Concordat with Napoleon, effectively ceding almost every pretension of the Civil Constitution of the Clergy. (The French bishops are among the worst in the world but unlike the German bishops their direct influence on the Church is thankfully minimal.) In fact, while Marcel Lefebvre voted against the document on religious liberty, he voted to ratify the Council as a whole. He founded the SSPX only several years later, after he had seen the rotten core come to light.

    The American role in the Vatican II disaster is subtler. Vatican II certainly bears the marks of sentimental outgrowth from the human rights culture promulgated by the post-war liberal international order, which was certainly spearheaded by the United States via notably Eleanor Roosevelt. Between this and Western European states turned into de facto U.S. vassals, enough bishops were persuaded that it was better to attempt what turned out to be at best an awkward rapprochement of Catholic scholasticism and liberal human rights culture. The latter won, not the least because all the compromises came from the other side.

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    Between this and Western European states turned into de facto U.S. vassals,

    Really? What menu of public policies was dictated from Washington? Nationalizing scads of industry? Massive public housing construction? I can see how you might say this about West Germany, which had a large U.S. troop presence. Still, it's pretty difficult to push around a country with 60-odd million people in it and hundreds of billions in business and industry.



    “Americanism” is a popular target among traditionalist Catholics of all nationalities.

    Yes, one of those tidbits which makes reading The Remnant so edifying. (Along with Robert Sungenis on astrophysics).
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  272. res says:
    @biz

    But I notice there usually (as here) is not engagement with how much of lists like that are correct and the underlying point.
     
    I'm not going to try to squint to read this one, but the last such list that was posted here - the supposed Israeli dual citizens in the US government - contained 0% correct information. Not a single name on there was actually a dual citizen, and some, like Donald Rumsfeld, were not even Jewish. These lists are made by dumb asses and spread by dupes for the consumption of idiots.

    Because someone posted one bogus list they are all completely bogus forever after. Got it.

    Any response to the rest of my comment?

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  273. @Lot
    The numbers are depressing, but thinking about what they translate to is so sad you will have to stop yourself before long.


    Think of the ruins of Detroit, but instead of those abandoned and stately Art Nouveau skyscrapers, the most beautiful cities in Europe that our ancestors spent centuries building, falling apart in disrepair and vandalism, and our ancient homelands reduced to the teeming squalor of Calcutta, Yemen and Nigeria.

    Picture the 300 africans and gypsies with their filthy camps surrounding all the major Paris train stations today, their tents blocking the street and sidewalk, their feces piling up on the curbs and grass, and then multiply their numbers by 10 and imagine them around and inside every public building.

    Picture in your mind the worst no-go ghetto you've seen in the USA, and then picture every working class white part of your town turning into that.

    Think of how you felt the first time you saw some full-burka-wearing Muslimas and their surly, dumb-eyes looking husbands casually walking around your local mall or big box store. Then think of them being the large majority of the people in large parts of the USA.

    our ancient homelands reduced to the teeming squalor of Calcutta, Yemen and Nigeria.

    Picture the 300 africans and gypsies with their filthy camps surrounding all the major Paris train stations today, their tents blocking the street and sidewalk, their feces piling up on the curbs and grass, and then multiply their numbers by 10 and imagine them around and inside every public building

    ” and doing exactly what for money? How will they manage to feed themselves, unless large numbers of Whitey survive and prosper enough to be taxed, or at least to run societies into which these talentless, illiterate beggars can be shoehorned? Basically they’ll end up as mendicant tribes, Gypsies MkII, or leave for greener pastures and that won’t be Russia, will it?
    In northern Europe at least, one of the reasons for sticking to one wife (marriage delayed until 20s, in many traditional societies) and having fewer kids was the everpresent shadow of General Winter. No point having shedloads of brats if they starve by their first Easter after weaning.

    tl;dr without Europeans, Europe is a pretty terrible place to live. It’d likely revert to climax oak and conifer forest, separated by huge cold swamps and mountains. Bring on the wolves!

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  274. @3g4me
    @35 Simon in London: "Jews don't control the Narrative in Europe . . . "

    Somehow you conveniently neglect to mention the enormous number and influence of Jews in the British media, particularly their almost total control over the BBC, when you falsely assert that "The people who do control the narrative in ‘Britain’ (ie London) are not Muslims, they are upper middle class Lefty WASPS. " Alan Yentob is hardly an isolated example. It is rather simple to note that the British media is heavily controlled by Jews, although there are perhaps more Whites playing the role of "shabbos goy," while still holding such traitorous Whites to blame for their part.

    And, of course, there is Sweden's Bonnier Group, which exerts almost total control over print and broadcast media, and is Jewish-owned. France has an unfortunately long tradition of Jewish leftist journalists and self-styled philosophers.

    Your statement is not merely baseless and laughable, it is a lie.

    Well my impression is that compared to the USA, there are lots of Jews in the British media, and certainly they have disproportionate influence, but unlike the USA it cannot really be called “Jewish controlled”. Maybe my impression is out of date, but there are certainly differences with New York/Hollywood. I would think it’s significant that the BBC/Establishment line is traditionally somewhat unfriendly to Israel, & pro-Palestinian. This is also true for other western European nations.

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  275. Seamus says:

    the real importance of the Israel-Palestine conflict is that it’s one of the few remaining examples of a white v. non-white struggle taking place in the realm of geopolitics.

    Given that both come from approximately the same genetic background, it’s amusing that one gets counted as “white” and the other as “non-white.”

    (And since when did the idea arise that Arabs aren’t white in the first place? Is Ralph Nader non-white? Senators Abourezk and Mitchell? Danny Thomas, ferchrissake? Lisa Halaby and her father Najeeb Halaby (CEO of Pan Am and head of the FAA)?)

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  276. @Whiskey
    Everyone is overthinking things. European Jews were pushed out of positions: in politics, in business, in government, in entertainment, first and decisively, by Muslim immigrants.

    Jews are almost entirely absent in European public life in the way that they are present or dominant in certain areas: the law, politics, and entertainment in the USA.

    Here in the USA, Jews are part of the broad coalition of White women, Blacks, Gays, non-Whites, Upper Class WASPs, etc. that have seized a hereditary set of positions in pretty much the entire leadership class and so are by default, massively left wing the way Silicon Valley and the CIA is massively left wing. Jay Coddington Vanderbilt IV is not about to let you deplorables have a say in how he and his cohorts run the country, and that includes the fabulous Indonesian Muslim with the gay affect in the Presidency and the "exotic" Jewish dude at Goldman Sachs, who at least is not the "real enemy" -- Joe Redneck with his bass boat rescuing people in Houston. How Gauche!

    By contrast European Jews were quickly purged starting in the 1970s by Muslims angry and aggressive who cannot stand Jews among all other White