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From the NYT:

Who’d Be on Your Spaceship? A School Exercise Backfires in Ohio

By Christina Caron
Aug. 30, 2018

An Ohio school superintendent has apologized for a class exercise that asked middle school students to choose from a list of racially, ethnically and religiously diverse candidates to save or leave behind if Earth were “doomed for destruction.” …

The intent was to “promote tolerance and break down stereotypes,” he said, and help fulfill the district’s goal of engaging in conversations about “diversity awareness and social justice.”

The group exercise, which was given to four seventh- and eighth-grade classes at Roberts Middle School, was not the teacher’s invention and had been used at this and other schools for some years.

Dr. Nichols said the assignment was retrieved from the Center for Diversity and Inclusion at the University of Houston, which posts diversity activities online that are geared toward college students, faculty and staff.

Niya N. Blair, the center’s director, said on Wednesday that the exercise could help students understand their biases, both conscious and unconscious, but that it required proper guidance. Her team receives months of training before administering such exercises, she said.

In other words, Cuyahoga Falls school district didn’t pay the Center for Diversity and Inclusion enough money.

Here’s the exercise:

Whom to Leave Behind?

Instructions: The twelve persons listed below have been selected as passengers on a space ship for a flight to another planet because tomorrow the planet Earth is doomed for destruction. Due to changes in space limitations, it has now been determined that only eight persons may go. …

Your task is to select the Eight (8) passengers who will make the trip. On your own, take approximately 5 minutes and rank order of the passengers from one to twelve based on those who you feel are most deserving to make the trip with one being most deserving and twelve being least deserving.

Why is “deserving” the only criterion? Shouldn’t the highest priority be those who are most likely to help the group survive and reproduce?

Next, the entire group will come together and decides [sic] as a group the eight (8) passengers who will make the trip. PLEASE NOTE: When you make your decision as a group EVERYONE must agree on the final eight passengers and come to a consensus. You are NOT allowed to vote or take a ‘majority rules’ decision.

As we’ve all been informed over and over recently, voting and “majority rules” are anti-democratic.

Original passenger list:

____an accountant with a substance abuse problem
____a militant African-American medical student
____a 33 year old female Native American manager who does not speak English
____the accountant’s pregnant wife
____a famous novelist with a physical disability
____a 21-year old, female, Muslim international student
____a Hispanic clergyman who is against homosexuality
____a female move star who was recently the victim of a sexual assault
____a racist armed police officer who has been accused of using excessive force
____a homosexual male, professional athlete
____an Asian, orphaned 12-year old boy
____60-year old Jewish university administrator

All I can say is: We’re doomed.

The human race wouldn’t last three weeks in outer space with any possible combination of these dozen on board.

It would be interesting to construct an End-of-the-World experiment like this in which one possible outcome is the utter elimination of the white race from humanity’s survivors. In the Current Year, how many students would choose that outcome? How many administrators would?

This reminds me that back in 2013 I wrote about how a few brave researchers have adopted the classic trolley problem in ethics to measure just how bloodthirsty liberals are in principle toward whites:

If a runaway trolley were about to smash into a bus containing 100 trapped members of the Harlem Jazz Orchestra, would you push a wholly innocent man named Chip Ellsworth III onto the tracks to stop the accident? What if the bus held 100 members of the New York Philharmonic and the guilt-free man’s name was Tyrone Payton?

Would your politics have any relevance to whether you’€™d prefer to kill the white man to save the black musicians or to kill the black man to save the white musicians?

In a fascinating 2009 academic paper by four social psychologists, “The motivated use of moral principles,” UC Irvine students who identified as politically conservative were found to be racially evenhanded. When given the scenario about killing Chip to save 100 Harlemites, conservatives were no more or less likely to agree it’s the right thing to do than when told to ponder killing the man with the cornerback’s name to save 100 classical musicians.

In striking contrast, liberal students displayed greater bloodthirstiness when presented with the scenario that gave them an opportunity to kill the WASP to help the blacks. This liberal desire to shove a white man to his death to salvage blacks rather than a black man to salvage whites was extremely statistically significant (p = .002).

 
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  1. indocon says:

    Steve, back in 2013 it was all academic, now it’s all real because of the god emperor showing up in 2016 and how it exposed the hatred against heritage whitey.

    • Agree: NickG, Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @anon
    , @Pat Boyle
  2. Anonymous[161] • Disclaimer says:

    All those exercises in school gave me the creeps. As if I were being indoctrinated by Maoists or sociopathic social engineers.

    Now why would I feel that way?

    • Replies: @Olorin
  3. El Dato says:

    In striking contrast, liberal students displayed greater bloodthirstiness when presented with the scenario that gave them an opportunity to kill the WASP to help the blacks. This liberal desire to shove a white man to his death to salvage blacks rather than a black man to salvage whites was extremely statistically significant (p = .002).

    And I thought those studies showing that conservatives have fear-addled brains as shown on NMR scanners and are suffering from authoritative upbringings were serious.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  4. Ragno says:

    All I can say is: We’re doomed.

    You said it, not me.

    Still, we’re clearly now a “nation” who will only choose common sense and self-preservation….let alone adhere to the now-despised Golden Rule…..at gunpoint. And even then, struggling against our restraints every step of the way, determined to steer the car off the cliff’s edge.

    If it ever comes down to this kind of insane, virtue-signalling multiple choice test, hopefully there’ll be a checkbox on the form denoting me and my family: please, please leave us behind.

  5. El Dato says:

    Remember the B Ark

    The Golgafrinchan Ark Fleet Ship B was a way of removing the basically useless citizens from the planet of Golgafrincham. A variety of stories were formed about the doom of the planet, such as blowing up, crashing into the sun or being eaten by a mutant star goat. The ship was filled with all the middlemen of Golgafrincham, such as the telephone sanitisers, account executives, hairdressers, tired TV producers, insurance salesmen, personnel officers, security guards, public relations executives and management consultants.

    Ark Fleet ships A and C were supposed to carry the people who ruled, thought, or actually did useful work.

    A notation in the Guide about Golgafrincham after the departure of the B Ark states that the entire remaining population subsequently died from a virulent disease contracted from a dirty telephone.

    And just for enders, everybody should at least read Philip K. Dick’s Shell Game.

  6. ‘… a 33 year old female Native American manager who does not speak English…’?

  7. Ibound1 says:

    Degrade them and then propagandize them. This is worthy of a communist brainwashing session. First make them feel guilty, make them admit their guilt in choosing who will die, and, then fill their confused and guilt ridden brains. Child abuse.

    • Agree: bomag, Mr. Rational
  8. Anon7 says:

    That’s one way to pick a crew. In Stranger in a Strange Land (1961), Robert Heinlein also needed to choose a crew of eight for a three year Mars trip.

    Eight humans, crowded together for almost three Terran years, had better get along much better than humans usually did. An all-male crew was vetoed as unhealthy and unstable. Four married couples was considered optimum, if necessary specialties could be found in such combination.

    The University of Edinburgh, prime contractor, sub-contracted crew selection to the Institute for Social Studies. After discarding volunteers useless through age, health, mentality, training, or temperament, the Institute had nine thousand likely candidates. The skills needed were astrogator, medical doctor, cook, machinist, ship’s commander, semantician, chemical engineer, electronics engineer, physicist, geologist, biochemist, biologist, atomics engineer, photographer, hydroponicist, rocketry engineer…

    Lights blinked, cards popped out, a crew had been found:

    Captain Michael Brant, commanding—pilot, astrogator, relief cook, relief photographer, rocketry engineer;

    Dr. Winifred Coburn Brant, forty-one, semantician, practical nurse, stores officer, historian;

    Mr. Francis X. Seeney, twenty-eight, executive officer, second pilot, astrogator, astrophysicist, photographer;

    Dr. Olga Kovalic Seeney, twenty-nine, cook, biochemist, hydroponicist;

    Dr. Ward Smith, forty-five, physician and surgeon, biologist;

    Dr. Mary Jane Lyle Smith, twenty-six, atomics engineer, electronics and power technician;

    Mr. Sergei Rimsky, thirty-five, electronics engineer, chemical engineer, practical machinist and instrumentation man, cryologist;

    Mrs. Eleanora Alvarez Rimsky, thirty-two, geologist and selenologist, hydroponicist.

    Apparently, diversity was less important to Heinlein than competence in technical fields.

  9. AndrewR says:
    @anony-mouse

    Yeah… Did they mean like a Mexican “native” or something?

  10. Anonymous[195] • Disclaimer says:

    Out:
    60 year old Jew – too old for reproduction
    The homosexual – reproduction is key here
    Disabled novelist – physical disability prohibiting reproduction?
    Militant Jackwagon – everyone better off without you

    • Replies: @anon
    , @AnotherDad
    , @midtown
  11. @Anon7

    Thanks.

    But diversity pops up when a child is born …

    • Replies: @Anon7
  12. for fun, which combination of people from the list would be most likely murder each other in the shortest time span out in space? My list is:

    a militant African-American medical student
    a Hispanic clergyman who is against homosexuality
    a homosexual male, professional athlete

  13. … deserving …

    Meritocracy is, of course, verboten, so letting people on board who could actually build and fly the ship, not to mention start a civilization once they got there is out of the question. How dare I even ask? I’m so racist.

    This exercise suffers from liberal fogwash (groupthink) where the means to make a pie just somehow magically happen but it’s up to the righteous SJW to decide who gets the pie. Because they’re more deserving.

  14. BenKenobi says:

    You could do what Neal Stephenson did and have 7 broads with BPD populate the stars.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  15. tyrone says:

    Is this the kind of bullshit they’re doing in school now?……homeschool your kids ,for the love of God!

  16. AndrewR says:
    @El Dato

    For those of us who didn’t exactly love statistics: a p-score of .002 is like flipping a coin nine times and having it be heads every time.

    • Replies: @moshe
  17. These are probably the sort of researchers who think humans aren’t part of the natural world.

  18. syonredux says:

    It would be interesting to construct an End-of-the-World experiment like this in which one possible outcome is the utter elimination of the white race from humanity’s survivors. In the Current Year, how many students would choose that outcome? How many administrators would?

    Well, certain quarters were quite enthusiastic about the kill-all-the-White-people ending to Snowpiercer….

    “my first thought after the conclusion of the movie was OMG THEY KILLED ALL THE WHITE FOLKS yay.”

    ( http://hellotailor.blogspot.com/2014/07/snowpiercer.html#comment-form)

  19. OT, sort of: de Blasio’s schools chancellor is even more fanatical than he is:

    https://nypost.com/2018/09/02/nyc-schools-to-give-priority-to-predominantly-black-and-hispanic-kids/

    This plan is insane, but they have New School ‘experts to back it up. This is a good line:

    The New School researchers warn that the DOE plans don’t do much to encourage middle-income families to switch from popular schools to higher-poverty schools.

    “Based on the way more privileged families exert choice, they may not want to be pushed into a school they deem undesirable,” Mader said.

    Chancellor Carranza is a dope with deep resentment against Whitey. For folks in the rest of the country, have a gander at what awaits you.

    On the other hand, I still think this is a hornet’s nest that will chase Asians away from the Dems if they kick it.

  20. Beene13 says:

    What could be more “majority rules”-oriented than a 2.8 million popular vote deficit? (likely to approach 5 million in the 2020 election, though I’m not saying that candidate will lose).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  21. Ed says:

    It would have been funny if all the kids of various diverse backgrounds cited as their top choice the Jewish university administrator

  22. Ed says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    This is what most white liberals in NYC claim to believe and now there’s a supt. that is taking them up on it, good for him.

    For far too long urban liberal whites have not had to face any real consequences for their political choices, in NYC, they are about to

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @Forbes
  23. snorlax says:

    Alright iSteve, let’s vote!

    Obviously I’m taking

    • a racist armed police officer who has been accused of using excessive force

    And the four females of breeding age

    • a 33 year old female Native American manager who does not speak English
    • the accountant’s pregnant wife
    • a 21-year old, female, Muslim international student
    • a female movie star who was recently the victim of a sexual assault

    And since I’m taking his wife I’ll take

    • an accountant with a substance abuse problem

    That gets us up to six. For the last two I’ll take

    • an Asian, orphaned 12-year old boy
    • a 60-year old Jewish university administrator

    Only because we have to get the average IQ up considering the women on offer. If the Jewish university administrator is female, then substitute

    • a homosexual male, professional athlete

    who’ll presumably have to step up under the circumstances.

  24. syonredux says:
    @snorlax

    • a homosexual male, professional athlete

    who’ll presumably have to step up under the circumstances.

    Viagra……

  25. dr kill says:

    I see exactly why this ‘exercise’ backfired. It is stupid, but not as stupid as college administrators needing months of training. 8th graders in Ohio are smarter than Teh NYT readership.

  26. moshe says:
    @anony-mouse

    Yeah, that Native American Manager Lady Who Doesn’t Speak English is a non-existent creature.

    I know female Native Americans who don’t speak English (I’m one of the very few living white men not in uniform who has ventured deep into tohono o’odham territory…) and none of them are managers.

    It’s actually a pretty hilarious concept.

    Any Native American who is managing anything other than a cocaine safe house is pretty likely to know English. Even if she’s just a manager of some makework gov’t sponsored res welfare program.

    As an aside, I would leave behind the accountant, the police, the clergyman and the homo.

    That’s obviously the correct answer.

    • Replies: @bomag
    , @Peter Akuleyev
  27. Lot says:
    @syonredux

    The founder of the House of Orleans was a very fem homosexual with many children.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_I,_Duke_of_Orléans

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Anon
    , @Anonymous
  28. We are indeed doomed. But the biggest rhetorical question: who are we?

  29. So everyone for whom a race or ethnicity is not given can be assumed to be white? Maybe even descended from a certain ancient tribe who invaded Europe from what is now Iran? That is how this works, right?

    So the addled accountant, his pregnant wife, My Left Foot, #MeT00, Darren Wilson and David Beckham are the whites. I’ll also take the Amerindian (to do the cleaning) and the Asian boy (to play us Brahms and do any difficult math we may encounter in the course of our astral voyage).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  30. eD says:
    @snorlax

    I also tried to take this seriously as an actual intellectual exercise. My initial response would be to take no one on the list, on the grounds that this group is so obviously doomed, so why drag things out? Maybe you could get a new group of candidates.

    But if I had to take eight, I came to a conclusion similar to Snorlax. I have a few differences. I would prioritize youth over age, for both practical and fairness reasons, and would even be fine with just listing the twelve by age and taking the youngest. I would want six males and six females and hope they, well, breed.

    This criteria rules out both the 60 year old university administrator immediately and also the homosexual. If you also toss out the novelist with the disability, that leaves the Hispanic clergyman and the militant African-American. Presumably the disabled novelist is smart and would bring up the group’s IQ, making him a candidate if the disability isn’t too bad.

    Of course, this is completely discriminatory, and that is the point. You are discriminating on grounds that are directly relevant to the function of the mission, to ensure the survival (and reproduction) of the group on their journey. And that sort of discrimination is completely legal under federal anti-discrimination statutes.

    • Replies: @eD
  31. @tyrone

    Is this the kind of bullshit they’re doing in school now?

    No, this is the kind of bullshit they’ve been doing in school for the last 45 years. The kind of bullshit they’re doing now is orders of magnitude worse, like teaching a freshman-level college course on transsexualism and requiring the students to dress in drag in order to pass the course. This actually happened to the son of a friend of mine.

  32. @El Dato

    And just for enders, everybody should at least read Philip K. Dick’s Shell Game

    I am struck by the exquisite rendering of the young lady’s left mammary on that Galaxy magazine cover in the link provided.

  33. anonymous[413] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    Yes!

  34. I recently interviewed at a high tech company (I won’t mention the industry) located in an Black Chicago suburb. The firm has NO sign on the outside and NO Black employees. The company has been located there over thirty years. The firm is apparently owned by an older proprietor who interviewed me.

    My take is that the proprietor doesn’t want any Blacks working there (I noticed one South Asian and one Northeast Asian); the rest were either White men and women.

  35. Anon7 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    A bastard, a Martian- and sole owner of the planet Mars.

    Still, we owe it to Heinlein to make the best of this train wreck:

    Well, you have to take the women, otherwise no progeny…
    Take the accountant and wife, if they really are a fertile couple.
    Take the violent cop and the actress who claims sexual assault (destiny)
    Skip the gay guy and the old Jewish guy (no progeny) and the disabled novelist.
    Take the Asian kid and the med student and the clergyman.

    God help us.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  36. eD says:
    @eD

    I have rethought my earlier comment a bit.

    It occurred to me that this group’s best chance of survival would be to be captured by space aliens and put into their zoo. Because of this, you really might want to make diversity your main selection criteria, to maximize the chances that the space aliens will find the group interesting enough to take into their zoo, and not the practical criteria Snorlax and I were using.

    • Replies: @moshe
    , @kiismerhe
  37. nebulafox says:

    First up would be the Asian boy, presuming that he’s reasonably intelligent and hard-studying. Have to invest in the future. Thankfully, he’s 12, so he can already obey instructions and carry out grunt work.

    2 and 3 would be the cop and the medical student because they bring the most useful skill sets that are made obvious in the paper. You need someone who know hows to use weapons and fight, you need someone who knows the human body and heal.

    4 would be the Muslim student. If she’s an engineering student-likely of Iranian or subcontinental extraction, in that case-she’d be an obvious pick along with the cop and the proto-doctor-need someone to repair and make things. But worst case, well, she’s female and of child-bearing age, which is enough on its own.

    Out for sure would the druggie and the novelist with a disability, as they’d likely jeopardize the chances of survival for the others. The indigenous manager is also unlikely because we’ll need to be able to communicate from the get-go, though I’d really question how realistic a Native American not speaking English is.

    (There’s indios in Central America that don’t speak Spanish-or limited Spanish-and tribes in the Amazon that don’t speak Portuguese, yes, but that’s not the case in the US.)

    Here’s is where I’d need more information to decide the final slots. How strong is the homosexual male, what sport does he play? Is the clergyman educated? Do we have the resources to take care of a baby off the bat, in the next year? We’ll probably want at least one more fertile female, who is most predisposed to motherhood? Who has the most ability to connect with other possible survival groups fleeing the planet? This is the sort of thing that doesn’t make this a particularly useful exercise on the face of it: you need more than what they are providing to really decide what combination of people give the group the best chance of long-term survival.

    (Yes, I know the real purpose of this is SJW nonsense-though if I were forced to do this by some HR hack, I’d still probably take the exercise “seriously” just to mess with the people forcing me to engage in this nonsense when I could be doing something else, and use the ASD diagnosis to get away with it. But that’s adult nebulafox talking. Boy nebulafox would have taken this all literally and genuinely tried to come up with an optimal solution for the problem..

    So, I would have likely asked the teacher these kinds of questions, in completely good faith. I was, needless to say, not a popular student among teachers as a child.)

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  38. They don’t mention the second part of the exercise, where you have to decide on 12 actors to play those roles in the TV dramatization of this scenario. #IdiocracyCurriculum

  39. Veracitor says:

    Perhaps it would be better to not be chosen to leave Earth. See The Marching Morons by Cyril M. Kornbluth.

    • Replies: @Charles
  40. @Joe Stalin

    Is it Harvey, South Holland, or Chicago Heights?

  41. I went over this with my son.
    Obviously, you take the med student and the police man because of the entertainment value. The account and his wife, because in space you know he’s going cold turkey.
    The Native American is too old, but the actress presumably isn’t. Throw in the FEMALE Muslim student and the young Asian boy. If you can coax the gay athlete to breed with a woman, then take him, but if you aren’t confident that he won’t, then take the novelist. The university admin is too old, and he’s probably lacking any practical knowledge to boot.

    But in actuality, with 8 people, the human race is doomed. So it really doesn’t matter who went.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  42. @MikeatMikedotMike

    That’s why in the real scenario it would be wise to have our crack men and women of the TSA working the rocketway. That way only 2 or 3 handguns will get by, and it’ll be a fair fight.

  43. Alternate version:

    Who would you put on the spaceship if the earth WASN’T going to be destroyed?

  44. @tyrone

    Thank you, Tyrone, for writing that! In my school, back in the day, any of the teachers there would have thrown this crap in the trash. These kids need more recess – they’re only getting 25 minutes in 1st grade right now, out of a 7-hour day. It is indeed child abuse and getting very close to the methods of the Chinese Cultural Revolution. Not everything out of China is ancient wisdom, people. Much is modern stupidity.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @moshe
  45. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Our iSteve here has kept us up on this “Chancellor” Carranza, GOBM, but it’s been a few months. I’d like to hear more about his doings, because it’s enjoyable to watch the remaining white parents in NYC squirm like bi-polar earthworms … very enjoyable. How ’bout it, Steve, if there are any new developments and you’re down to only 8 posts for the day?

    • Replies: @Fred Boynton
  46. @nebulafox

    Good thoughts. Is the substance abuser going to be a problem if there are no abusable substances available? The sex of the medical student, novelist, police officer, and university administrator is not indicated, probably as a test to detect assumptions.

    I think you’d want five women and three men for procreational purposes. The homosexual could probably step up. (Bring along a full-size photo of George Michael he can clip to the back of a woman’s head.)

    I doubt the black medical student is going to keep up his/her militant act if there are no other blacks in the group to perform for, so probably okay.

    If male, there’s no reason to think the Jewish administrator is beyond child-siring age. If female, forget it. The problem with either is that university administrators have no useful skills.

    • LOL: Kylie
    • Replies: @nebulafox
  47. @snorlax

    • a 33 year old female Native American manager who does not speak English

    The no-speaky-english part is a big plus for me, but most importantly she must look like this:

    No, I will absolutely not accept one of those blue-painted face-pierced weirdos from Apocalypto, even if she doesn’t know English.

    • Agree: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  48. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    He was bi with a tendency to dress very elaborately

  49. The human race wouldn’t last three weeks in outer space with any possible combination of these dozen on board.

    The human race wouldn’t last three weeks on God’s green earth with any possible combination of these dozen in charge.

    Belaboring the obvious, the purpose of the pedagogical exercise was, of course, to identify, propensities towards thought-crime in schoolkids and to stamp these out before the onset of adulthood.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Rod1963
  50. This thought-problem reminds me of the game Zobmondo, where you have to answer questions like, “Would you rather eat a pound of toenail clippings or drink a gallon of saliva?” or, “Would you rather eat a small hotel bar of soap or four sticks of butter?”

  51. @AndrewR

    And interestingly enough, nary a peep out of Fox News, NatReview etc. about that fact. Only found out about it after reading Unz. This sort of proves that the 11th Commandment (“Thou Shalt Not Deviate From The Narrative”) can sometimes apply to so-called “conservatives” as well as to “progressives.”

  52. Whom to Leave Behind?

    Yeah, well, at least someone’s grammar is good.

  53. Daniel H says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    This is good news. The worse it gets the better it gets.

  54. I should note, in the game Rimworld, you get to literally do this. You leave a few people to die on a crashing spaceship and pick 3 to survive on a new world. I typically pick for high Construction, one with high combat skills, and one with high Grow skills.

  55. songbird says:
    @anony-mouse

    I imagine this is the militant open-borders kind: Mexican Amerind.

  56. Q: What do you do if you can’t grasp differential equations or Kepler’s Laws of Planetary Motion?

    A: You become–”Niya N. Blair”

    Yep! We’re doomed.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  57. I love how the professional athlete is a gay guy, as if that’s common, and the med school student is not only black but a black militant, and the professional manager is not only a American Indian but one who amazingly doesn’t speak English. No technical people at all, yeah that ship is doomed.

  58. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    https://www.biography.com/people/bernhard-goetz-578520

    One of the biggest names in the 1980s, a time when Mayor Ed Koch routinely referred to black criminals as ‘animals’. And many NYers supported Bernie as a local hero because the crime problem was so bad. But for some reason, NYT would remember Emmett Till than Goetz.

    Narrative vs News. News is disposable and treated as random reports. Narrative is grand storytelling with larger-than-life figures and icons.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  59. Achilles says:

    We are supposed to choose individuals to make up a colony upon which the survival of the human race depends, and for five of the possibilities we aren’t even told whether they are male or female?

    One can’t even assume the accountant, whose wife is pregnant, is male, given that this could be a lesbian couple.

    According to the test designers knowing which sex these people are is not important information?

    I suppose since per the reigning orthodoxy there are no sex differences, only gender differences, and gender is a choice, perhaps the test designers intend that the colony will reproduce asexually, like amoeba.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
  60. nebulafox says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    > Is the substance abuser going to be a problem if there are no abusable substances available?

    Yes. Withdrawing cold turkey instantly from hard drugs is a risky business. The ex-user could get violent, suicidal, or severely, even mortally, sick. It’s why rehab centers and the like exist. I’ve had hard drug addicts in my extended family and went to a college that had a bit of a problem with teenage undergrads getting sucked into that world. Drug addicts-and homeless people writ large-can be rehabilitated into society, but it’s a process that requires a lot of investment and willpower from all parties involved.

    (Which, on an unrelated note, I don’t see the US government interested in any time soon. There’s a very clear solution to the homeless issue in American cities that I’ve mentioned in another post responding to Tiny Duck, but the Democrats would go insane on the “you’re being MEAAAAAAAAN” front. And of course, the GOP is more concerned with ensuring that Jeff Bezos gets another tax cut. As always, it’s darkly humorous to see Republicans talk about fiscal health while simultaneously advocating massive tax cuts for billionaires, jacked-up military spending and possible foreign interventions, and mass low-to-medium skilled immigration. We do not send our most logically literate to DC.)

    Assuming that the process is successfully completed, it then takes time to relearn all the basic stuff about life that have atrophied when you were an addict, and it is a frustrating process for all involved. I’m going through a similar process with electronics, so that I can attest to.

    >The sex of the medical student, novelist, police officer, and university administrator is not indicated, probably as a test to detect assumptions.

    The cop and the medical student are valuable enough so that their gender is irrelevant. Similarly, the novelist is enough of a burden so that the gender is irrelevant. The university administrator, I tend to the same analysis, but not to the point that I’d immediately make a decision before getting more information.

    >The homosexual could probably step up.

    For the majority of human history, homosexual men have shown themselves capable of having sex with women, whether out of obligation or curiosity. The simpering, effeminate gay male portrayed as default is, in reality, anything but, and a rather modern thing: and I think there’s reasons for this found in modern culture and feminism, but that’s another post.

    For what it is worth, if he’s a professional athlete, those aren’t bad genes to pass on given that we’d be building rudimentary society from the ground-up. We’ll need kids that can physically hold their own.

    >I doubt the black medical student is going to keep up his/her militant act if there are no other blacks in the group to perform for, so probably okay.

    Agreed. Underlying my post is the basic unstated premise is that political differences are going to immediately wither when the reality they are in hits the group. That’s part of makes the simulation so ridiculous: the little petty SJWisms could not be less relevant in the scenario they are posing. It’s about survival, pure and simple.

    My guess is the cop and the militant won’t become friends or close intimates, but they’ll hammer out the minimum perfunctory, functional relationship needed to trust each other strikingly quick. People really underestimate the instinct to live-for better or for worse-that humans can show in “adapt or die” situations.

    >If male, there’s no reason to think the Jewish administrator is beyond child-siring age. If female, forget it. The problem with either is that university administrators have no useful skills.

    Agreed. Main reason I’m not immediately ruling him out is that we need someone with the ability to get into contact with other survival groups, but unless he’s compelling in this area, I’d be inclined to leave the administrator behind regardless of gender. Lack of skills plus age. There’s other, younger men that can fulfill the function.

  61. anon[320] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Excellent choice by process of elimination.
    And at least there will be one passenger capable of re-starting civilization:
    ____a racist armed police officer who has been accused of using excessive force

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  62. @MikeatMikedotMike

    a militant African-American medical student
    a Hispanic clergyman who is against homosexuality
    a homosexual male, professional athlete

    Identity politics assumes all these people will have behaviors based on their identity (but at the same time they tell us not to do this) what if the gay athlete is Ernst Röhm?

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Wilkey
  63. nebulafox says:
    @Ed

    Could not agree more. The main reason upper-middle class liberals (and make no mistake, they and their interests are the real nucleus of the modern Democratic Party) advocate the policies they do is because they rarely if ever feel the consequences of them. Those are dumped off on socioeconomic lessers who they either fetishize or openly despise, depending on their race.

    I think there’s a very good reason “flyover” whites tend to truly, utterly *hate* this demographic way more than any minority. This expanded upper-middle class is directly responsible for their own declassment and deceased prospects, and that’s just the get-go.

    (I think Obama’s issue was less that he was black and more that he pretty much epitomized the post-1992 “WEIRD” upper-middle class in, well, just about everything. He had everything they could aspire to. That’s why they were almost religiously attached to him.)

    They need to feel the heat. As a general note: the upper-middle class has gotten way larger in the past 25 years, but the drop-off has become way more severe with the eroding of the solid middle class. A stable, healthy society has a socioeconomic spectrum that is a true, continuous function. We’re evolved to the point where that’s simply not true anymore: and when you have a society of the saved and the damned, things will eventually get really ugly, one way or another.

  64. Rod1963 says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Belaboring the obvious, the purpose of the pedagogical exercise was, of course, to identify, propensities towards thought-crime in schoolkids and to stamp these out before the onset of adulthood.

    My thoughts exactly. Of course stamping out thought crime only applies to white male children. Black, Muslim and Hispanic children are incapable of bad thought so they’re good to go.

    That said, any school that implements such a test, the white parents should take their kids out ASAP as they just demonstrated they are socially engineering the children.

    Seriously it’s getting to the point where only private or home schooling are the only valid options left.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  65. newrouter says:

    It be falling apart. Enjoy the show: QAnon-

  66. snorlax says:
    @nebulafox

    The accountant is described as a “substance” abuser, which could mean alcohol, or Adderall, or even that he’s a heavy smoker. He’s functional enough to be a practicing accountant and to be married to a pregnant wife, so presumably his addiction isn’t that bad. (Could also be a she, as mentioned earlier, but that would make her more worth taking as a female of breeding age).

    It’s a good point that the medical student is the only one with that skill, although blacks (and probably militant blacks especially — not many Ben Carsons in that group) usually aren’t the best doctors. But still better than nothing, and probably >100 I.Q. so not dysgenic.

    And, as another mentioned, the famous novelist is probably high-I.Q. so by my criteria I might want to consider taking him (if male) or her (if female and of childbearing age) as well.

  67. @Anon

    One day, I read the NYT, and it quoted one of the robbers as saying. “We were going to rob the white guy.”

  68. Art Deco says:
    @nebulafox

    (I think Obama’s issue was less that he was black and more that he pretty much epitomized the post-1992 “WEIRD” upper-middle class in, well, just about everything. He had everything they could aspire to. That’s why they were almost religiously attached to him.)

    Bingo.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  69. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    There’s a scene in Cixin Liu’s Three Body trilogy (in the 2nd or 3rd book) where a school teacher asks a woman if she has room for any of her students on her escape rocket, and the woman gives the kids an impromptu intelligence test to decide which ones get on the rocket.

  70. theMann says:

    The question is fundamentally idiotic – you don’t leave people behind, you figure out who you need to take to maximize surviving. Survival helps separate the diversity wheat from the chaff in a big hurry. Would you rather establish a new settlement with you and 99 random diverse people, or you and 99 random diverse Vikings? Yep.

    In any case my final eight are me, Karen Gillan, Patricia Janeckova, Lily James, and four lesbian midget mestizo mission specialists ugly enough to make a freight train take a dirt road*. That should be diverse enough.

    *Obscure “Eyebeam” reference.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  71. bomag says:
    @moshe

    You’d leave behind the homo?

    Tsk tsk. All that effort by our minders just wasted.

    • Replies: @Olorin
  72. How about we start leaving some behind right now. We could start by leaving behind blacks/Asians/Jews/Muslims. We could leave them behind in their own countries.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  73. Achilles says:

    Here is the answer key included in the teachers’ guide:

    The correct choice for the eight individuals is:

    1. 60-year old Jewish university administrator. This individual must be included because the most important consideration for the future of the human race is that there be someone to teach the new colony about the history of anti-Semitism and the narrative of the Holocaust.

    2. 21-year old, female, Muslim international student. Because, as U.S. President Barack Obama once observed, the future does not belong to those who slander the prophet Muhammad.

    3. Asian, orphaned 12-year old boy. Someone with a knowledge of and aptitude for mathematics and science will be necessary for the colony to survive.

    4. 33-year old female Native American manager who does not speak English. Someone must manage the colony, and because this is the only manager listed, the colony must include this individual. As a Native American, it can be expected that this individual is innately knowledgeable about how to survive in a pre-technological wilderness, as might be the case on another planet. That the colonists will need to learn a new language in order to understand the directives issued by the manager will be a further benefit.

    5. Homosexual male, professional athlete. Humans are naturally drawn toward objects of worship, and a professional athlete can supply this need. As a homosexual, this individual can also act as the moral conscience of the colony.

    6. A female movie star who was recently the victim of a sexual assault. Among the things most missed about Earth by the colony will be watching and reading gossip about Hollywood stars. This individual can relay anecdotes and stories about Hollywood somewhat easing the painful transition to a new planet.

    7. The accountant’s pregnant wife. See #8.

    8. Militant African-American medical student. Including this individual will ensure that the colony can fulfill its moral obligation to make available access to reproductive health care, in particular the termination of pregnancies.

    • Replies: @Corn
  74. @nebulafox

    (I think Obama’s issue was less that he was black and more that he pretty much epitomized the post-1992 “WEIRD” upper-middle class in, well, just about everything. He had everything they could aspire to. That’s why they were almost religiously attached to him.)

    I wish I was brilliant enough to make this observation, but an isteve commenter who i can”t remember said this”obama was the black guy baby boomers have been waiting for ever since they saw their first Sydney Poitier film” .. and they projected all their values on him, they ignored the fact that he’s really not a nice guy….or even a decent guy….

    Upper middle class white liberals don’t control anything they desperately want to let those in control know they are not deplorable.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
  75. Clyde says:
    @nebulafox

    I think there’s a very good reason “flyover” whites tend to truly, utterly *hate* this demographic way more than any minority. This expanded upper-middle class is directly responsible for their own declassment and deceased prospects, and that’s just the get-go.`

    I like your word declassment which is only in the French language as far as I can tell.
    Blame our evil, nation-busting free trade and legal/illegal immigration policies of the last 50 or so years. I assign these policies at least 50% of the blame for the declassment of our middle classes and the rise of our expanded credentialed upper classes and so called one percenters. Lowering of moral character and strengths for everyone is also a factor.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    , @Flip
  76. @Achmed E. Newman

    Not everything out of China is ancient wisdom, people. Much is modern stupidity.

    And the rest can be found here:

  77. All I can say is: We’re doomed.

    Steve, when i hit this–the best laugh i’ve had in a month. True LOL that wouldn’t stop. Because that hit exactly what i was thinking. Well done.

    I owe you–we’ll make it an extra hundred. (After cleaning and replacing a bunch of boards, finally got the front deck re-stained Friday, so i’ll get back to paperwork chores like my August contribution.)

  78. @newrouter

    You post two songs from that album, but not “Only a Fool Would Say That”? Hell, that’s practically our national motto now.

    Is that the worst album cover ever? Is that to deflect attention from the fact that the killer lead guitar work is by a registered Republican?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  79. Wilkey says:

    My answer is to send this list back to the Center for Diversity and Inclusion and ask them how, out of 8 billion people on the planet, they narrowed it down to these 12 mostly dysfunctional people. They’ve already shown their own bias by excluding all healthy, normal, and/or appropriately aged people from the flight.

    What it really sounds like is a way to get college students to reveal their “biases” (i.e., rational objections to crazy people) in a setting where it can be noted by college professors who will then pass the info around the faculty lounge. As the line at the end of Wargames goes, “the only winning move is not to play.”

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  80. Anonymous[423] • Disclaimer says:

    In striking contrast, liberal students displayed greater bloodthirstiness when presented with the scenario that gave them an opportunity to kill the WASP to help the blacks.

    It doesn’t help, Steve, that you yourself help perpetuate in the public discourse the dehumanizing racial slur, “WASP”.

    When are you going to cut it out?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Cagey Beast
  81. Anonymous[423] • Disclaimer says:
    @Beene13

    likely to approach 5 million in the 2020 election, though I’m not saying that candidate will lose).

    What will cause it to approach 5 million?

  82. @Anonymous

    Anon[195] — those were exactly my choices as well–first pass.

    However, it may be wrong. They’ve left off way too much, even basic, information.

    First thing I want to know “is the Jew male or female”. Female, then yes. She’s definitely out–actually the first one i’d get rid of.

    But if male, then i want to know what his degree was in. We could badly use some high IQ genes in this mix if they are availabe. If the guy is sharp, 60 isn’t too old. I could cover the 21 year old, female, Muslim international student and the kids would be well above average even if she’s not all that bright. So if the Jewish guy is a guy, i’ll take him and leave the Hispanic preacher behind.

    Likewise i want to know the age of the actress. If 30–ok, then we need the womb. But i can’t think of anyone more worthless than having an old actress–drama queen–around. Highly negative value. No Ashley Judds thank you very much.

  83. George says:
    @anony-mouse

    The excersice is a variation of the “Lifeboat” game which I remember from my K-12 education. Often the characters you could choose from to escape death on the Lifeboat were humourous. Search on Lifeboat game or morality test for some variations of the joke. What surprises me is that any humor is still allowed in education.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Chrisnonymous
  84. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:

    If you could only bring 8 nationalities on the interstellar ark my picks would be:

    German
    Japanese
    Polish
    French
    Korean
    English
    Russian
    Greek

    Honorable mentions: Swedish, Chinese, Lebananese, and Irish

  85. Wilkey says:
    @ACommenter

    “Identity politics assumes all these people will have behaviors based on their identity (but at the same time they tell us not to do this)”

    Yes indeedily. Diversity matters (for some reason) and yet it also doesn’t make a damn bit of difference. There could be two correct ways to approach this. The first way (the one they’re probably looking for) is to pick one of each and so maximize diversity: the black, the Hispanic, the Muslim (of indefinite racial background), the Jew, the Asian boy, etc. The other is to scratch all references to race and ethnicity and consider only prossional traits: med student, accountant, movie star (we’ll want entertainment on our new home planet!), but emphatically not the homophobic clergyman (religion and homophobia doubleplusungood).

    What I can almost guarantee you are NOT supposed to do is consider the sex of the people whose sole (unstated) purpose is to ensure the survival of the human species. God forbid you do that. In fact nowhere (in the text that Steve quotes) does it state that the survival of the human race is the purpose of this flight. All we are told is that they are taking “a flight to another planet because tomorrow the planet Earth is doomed.” Nothing is mentioned about ensuring the human race survives. That assumption – that we should care about the survival of our species (read here: our race or country) – may be the actual thought crime they are really trying to weed out. Properly brainwashed white people don’t care whether their country or race or species survives.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  86. Anonymous[275] • Disclaimer says:
    @George

    I went looking as you suggested, and found this version. Very similar, but without the angle of restarting civilization.

    =================

    https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=305573

    I did this exercise in a sociology lesson and thought it would be interesting to see other people’s views.

    A passenger liner is wrecked at sea and these 15 people find themselves together in a lifeboat. The lifeboat however can only support 9 people. If six are not eliminated everyone will die. If you were in command of the lifeboat, which would you choose to survive?

    1. A doctor. GP. He is addicted to drugs and very nervous, aged 60.

    2. A black Minister. Protestant. Age 27.

    3. A Prostitute, no parents. She is an excellent nurse. Has already saved a drowning child. Age 37.

    4. A male criminal. Charged with murder. He is the only one capable of navigating the boat. Age 37.

    5. A man mentally disturbed, who carries important government secrets in his head, age 41.

    6. A salesman. He sales automatic washing machines. Member of the local Rotary Club. Age 51.

    7. A crippled boy, paralyzed since birth. He can not use his hands, or do anything for him-self, so must be fed by others. Age 8.

    8. A married couple. He is a construction worker, who drinks a lot. Age 27. She is a housewife with two children at home. Age 23.

    9. A Jewish restaurant owner married with three children at home. Age 40.

    10. A teacher considered one of the best in Essex. Age 32.

    11. A catholic Nun. Supervisor of a girl’s school. Age 46.

    12. An unemployed man, formally a professor of literature. He has a great sense of humour, showed courage in the last war and was in a concentration camp for three years, age 53.

    13. A married couple deeply in love, but yet no children. Both Irish. He is studying to be a pharmacist. Age 24. She is a housewife, helps with a playgroup. Age 21.

  87. Anon[275] • Disclaimer says:

    It strikes me that this spaceship game could be computerized, with every character having characteristics chosen at random, or according to a weighted scale.

    – Sex

    – Age

    – Race or ethnicity

    – Religion

    – Profession or skills

    – Special characteristic: pregnancy, disability, weird gender identity

    In fact, this could be made into a blockbuster psychometric test along the lines of the Harvard Implicit Association Test, and a fortune could be made giving it and analyzing it. Clients could be corporations, police departments, and schools.

    Another idea: A parody version of the Implicit Association Test, online.

  88. Twinkie says:

    The same premise in this movie:

  89. Twinkie says:

    And another, similarly-themed film:

  90. @anony-mouse

    I suspect the point is that if you “notice” anything wrong here you are a N-WORD! (Not that n-word, the other one… I’m talking like a little child, but infantilization is kind of their goal here, isn’t it?)

  91. @Anonymous

    It doesn’t help, Steve, that you yourself help perpetuate in the public discourse the dehumanizing racial slur, “WASP”.

    When are you going to cut it out?

    You’re confusing “WASP” with “Anglo”.

    And, yeah, Florence King felt “dehumanized”. Right.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    , @Cagey Beast
  92. That exercise was worthy of Michael the doofus manager in “The Office”:

    If my eighth grade self was in that situation, I would have suggested, as passengers on the space ship, me, another guy I could get along with, and the six hottest girls in the class.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  93. JimB says:

    An Ohio school superintendent has apologized for a class exercise that asked middle school students to choose from a list of racially, ethnically and religiously diverse candidates to save or leave behind if Earth were “doomed for destruction.” …

    There would be no point in taking any of the people on the list unless I thought a hostile alien encounter was possible. Then I’d take the racist cop as a body guard. Otherwise, I’d go by myself — the provisions and fuel would last longer.

  94. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  95. @nebulafox

    > For the majority of human history, homosexual men have shown themselves capable of having sex with women, whether out of obligation or curiosity.

    You don’t have to tell me. My former governor had two wives and two kids and was as queer as a $3 bill.

  96. moshe says:
    @eD

    I love this.

    But I also have to stand up for the choice I made above.

    We take the 4 women, obviously.

    Now, as for the remaining (presumed) males:

    Obviously the med student uber alles. I know a lot of black militants and the only ones I have any concern about are of the sort who would never end up anywhere near med school. Of course we want the smart guy who is already a medical student.

    This means that the weaponed policeman of iffy humor who also happens to hate blacks is out. Why the screw would I want him on board with me anyway?

    I’m assuming that I’m the captain and this is my crew. If the exercise includes the kids imagining their own deaths as part of the destruction if the whole planet then this exercise is real child abuse.

    Okay, now, I don’t want the homo on board. Eww.

    Now I’m guessing I, and all of us, will get more out of the novelist (and thank god he’s disabled!) than the hispanic preacher (who, let me remind you is Not disabled). That’s the way to bet anyway.

    And, as parenthetically pointed to, their relative disabilities indicate both how much sexual competition and how much harm they can inflict otherwise. For both matters I would prefer these men disabled.

    Now then, the Asian orphan child is asian and an orphan and a child. He is likely to be of far more good for me than harm.

    Down to the final two…

    The accountant offers Nothing that a Jewish 60 yearold ADMINISTRATOR OF A UNIVERSITY can’t offer of a far superior quality. In fact, this university professor is even preferred over the Asian. And… the accountant is taking one of your 4 precious pu**ies/wombs out of circilation while still offering more sexual competition for the others than the asian, and perhaps more than the elderly administrator.

    Now if the kids were asked which of these people was the most “deserving”, that’s truly screwed up. I don’t recall any fact having been mentioned that indicated that any one of these people “deserved’ to be saved more than anyone else. The 2 haters seem less deserving while the rest seem like owning a mix of competencies and sob stories.

    Heck, is that the correct answer? That, other than the 2 haters, no fact has been shared to indicate who is more deserving than anyone else? I hope that’s the answer.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    , @bomag
  97. @Half Canadian

    But in actuality, with 8 people, the human race is doomed. So it really doesn’t matter who went.

    Not at all.

    With one couple–yeah, you’re in trouble, because the 2nd generation matings would be between siblings and those would be a disaster.

    But here the 2nd gen matings are unrelated, and the 3rd gen matings would be mostly cousins, at most double cousins (which you could ban if desired) or unrelated. You have 16 chromosomes for each chromosome in the mix. The deleterious mutations–when they collide–will get washed out. You’re going to do a lot of mating, have a lot of children. You’ll can handle a few duds.

    No, survival will be all about what sort of planet they can find. If it’s one with readily available food, the population will be able to explode, while people learn the skill to maximize survival there.

  98. Anonymous[332] • Disclaimer says:

    Ranked in order of most important to a scouting endeavor. Number one would be placed in charge and the others’ ranks would follow.

    1. The cop. Yes, he’s racist in a mixed-race scenario, but I trust his will to survive can overcome any irrational urges. His reputation for heavy-handedness means hes not a wilting pushover, and his law enforcement training is the closest to military training.

    2. The accountant. His profession says he is good with numbers and hopefully also logic. Being a drunk is not that bad of a foible, especially for this particular list.

    3. The medical student, provided he’s closer to being a doctor than a first year med student. Medical knowledge is important, obviously. Apparently he’s also militantly woke, but hopefully he can put aside his slam poetry when it really counts.

    4. The accountant’s wife. She is carrying the next generation and can be relied on for even more children. Also good to keep the Lieutenant Commander happy.

    5. The movie star. She will bear the Commander’s brood. Keeps the leader happy and the colony growing.

    6. The novelist. It’s important to have some amount of art in your team, and the novelist could also be a creative problem solver.

    7. Based preacher. He has an extensive knowledge of history and The Bible. He will serve his purpose as the moral guide and his warnings about homosexuality are a feature not a bug. If you’re not breeding, you’re a resource-wasting dead end.

    8. The Asian orphan. He’s 12 so he will be hitting his physical peak just when many others will be losing strength. Also it’s nice to save kids regardless. It helps morale and they do have the most “potential.”

    These did not make it:

    9. The Jewish Administrator. His job is a bullshit job with no real-world contribution. He’s probably hard to reason with and he’s old to boot. If he was some kind of scientist it might be different, but alas he is not.

    10. The Native American manager. She doesn’t speak English. Normally, this could be easily overcome. However, there is a difference between Chinese and speaks no English, and Native American who speaks no English. Native Americans all speak English, unless they have a mental impairment, which she obviously does.

    11. The female Muslim student. She’s been infected with a mind virus, and has no appreciable skills.

    12. The homosexual athlete. He’s a genetic dead end with no real-world skills and would probably try to groom the orphan for sex.

    • Replies: @JimB
  99. eah says:

    …the Center for Diversity and Inclusion at the University of Houston…Niya N. Blair, the center’s director…

    Univ of Houston student demographics 2017-2018 — a brief review of undergrads indicates less than 25% of the students are white.

  100. moshe says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    I’d save the famous novelist (easy), the preacher, the good wife and…??? i guess the asian orphan child if I couldn’t convince the athlete homo to make some space for the boy.

  101. moshe says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    AND WHEN ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO DANCE?!

  102. Pericles says:
    @tyrone

    Her team receives months of training before administering such exercises, she said.

    Lol, what a racket. It shows why schools must be even more generously funded, doesn’t it?


  103. ____an accountant with a substance abuse problem
    ____a militant African-American medical student
    ____a 33 year old female Native American manager who does not speak English
    ____the accountant’s pregnant wife
    ____a famous novelist with a physical disability
    ____a 21-year old, female, Muslim international student
    ____a Hispanic clergyman who is against homosexuality
    ____a female move star who was recently the victim of a sexual assault
    ____a racist armed police officer who has been accused of using excessive force
    ____a homosexual male, professional athlete
    ____an Asian, orphaned 12-year old boy
    ____60-year old Jewish university administrator

    Well, the African goes, the physically disabled novelist goes, the cop who may have used excessive force goes, and… I can’t decide whether to leave behind the sixty year old or the homosexual. Probably the homosexual. 1. Challenge for role of alpha male. 2. Problem with clergyman. 3. Don’t need to see him make move on twelve year old.

  104. Anonymous[415] • Disclaimer says:

    Six fertile women (assuming there are enough women), and two fertile men, lest the man dies. Replicating our civilization, or even germinating a vague approximation of it, would be a moot point with so few—all that is possible is perpetuation of the species. The women need have no special skills other than child-raising. Two guys can do everything else (men are versatile)—and guys tend to pair up well, when they’re in strongly task oriented situation. Conflict is unlikely, except among the women, but they’ll be busy cooperating in raising children, which is what tends to bring out cooperation among them.

  105. @El Dato

    In the novels, it’s pointed out the B Ark people will die out through lack of useful skills. Humanity will reelove from monkeys.

  106. @nebulafox

    Obama reminded me of a comment about why Clinton won. “He’s the ass kisser who should have been fired, but the other guy was the one who fired everybody.”

  107. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    I still think this is a hornet’s nest that will chase Asians away from the Dems if they kick it.

    It’s hardly the first, and so far several hundred Asians have indeed been chased away.

    Most of them post here or at least read here.

  108. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    Just give him gay porn to look at while ‘doing the deed’.

    Men (including gay men) are incredibly visual.

  109. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    He’s French. How can you even tell.

  110. IHTG says:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/01/opinion/asian-american-harvard-lawsuit.html

    The term “model minority” often gets thrown around (and deplored) in discussions about Asian-Americans, and what’s interesting is that both narratives I’ve just described traffic in versions of that trope. The older narrative portrays Asians as the hard-working, industrious natural conservatives who don’t need handouts (in contrast with other immigrants, other minorities). The newer narrative casts them as the liberal coalition’s noblest group — willing to put solidarity with fellow minorities above the economic concerns that might tempt them rightward, and willing to accept, for the greater good, a system of racial preferences that benefits others more than them.

    This idea informs a lot of liberal arguments about the Harvard lawsuit, which tend to portray conservative critics of affirmative action as tempters invading the multicultural Eden, and urge Asian-Americans to maintain their model-minority purity and resist the lure of mere meritocratic self-interest.

    But in addition to the whispering conservative serpent, the Harvard lawsuit’s liberal critics increasingly have an Asian scapegoat too — specifically recent Chinese immigrants who hang out on WeChat, the popular social-media app, which a Vox writer complains has “become an echo chamber for stories of anti-Asian discrimination.”

    For liberals these are the Bad Asians, putting their tribal resentments ahead of the racial-progressive cause. Which makes it striking that they are also the demographic being celebrated in “Crazy Rich Asians,” a movie that begins with a sequence in which Chinese-expat gossip spreads from New York to Singapore via, you guessed it, WeChat.

    The only certain takeaway from this complexity is that the new liberal model-minority image, like the old conservative one, is likely to break down with increasing Asian numbers, influence, diversity and power.

  111. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Roderick Spode

    Not sure about an extended astral voyage, but I’d enjoy any dinner party where you are holding forth.

  112. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    No, this is the kind of bullshit they’ve been doing in school for the last 45 years.

    Exactly. I remember it well from the 1970s when I was in elementary school.

    For the life of me, I can’t figure out where everyone else was.

  113. @Anonymous

    1,5,6,7,10,11 are “long pig”.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  114. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Sarah Silverman: “If we can put a man on the moon, we can put a man with AIDS on the moon. And if we can put a man with AIDS on the moon, we can put everyone with AIDS on the moon.” Needless to add, she said this ‘in character’.

    • Replies: @jim jones
  115. @IHTG

    The newer narrative casts them as the liberal coalition’s noblest group

    Nobody in the liberal coalition except Asians ever felt that way.

    Blacks definitely feel they are the noblest victims of them all.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  116. Paul Rain says:

    I don’t think I’d even take more than 6 unless the militant medicant is female.

    5 an accountant with a substance abuse problem
    ____a militant African-American medical student
    4 a 33 year old female Native American manager who does not speak English
    1 the accountant’s pregnant wife
    ____a famous novelist with a physical disability
    2 a 21-year old, female, Muslim international student
    6 a Hispanic clergyman who is against homosexuality
    3 a female move star who was recently the victim of a sexual assault
    4 a racist armed police officer who has been accused of using excessive force
    ____a homosexual male, professional athlete
    ____an Asian, orphaned 12-year old boy
    ____60-year old Jewish university administrator

  117. IHTG says:
    @Steve Sailer

    From the point of a view of a certain more wonkishly self-aware set of liberals, perhaps – those that Douthat believes are in charge.

  118. @Anon7

    It’s been some time, so I had to look it up. Brant (30) uses command initiative and/or inside knowledge to find and marry Coburn (41) to make them appear the perfect fit for the mission according to the selection criteria. Of course, it doesn’t end well. For the crew.

  119. @moshe

    Yeah, that Native American Manager Lady Who Doesn’t Speak English is a non-existent creature.

    Maybe it’s a trick question. She could be Mexican of Mayan descent, and thus technically a “Native American”, managing a Spanish speaking business in LA.

  120. @Clyde

    Clyde wrote:

    Blame our evil, nation-busting free trade and legal/illegal immigration policies of the last 50 or so years. I assign these policies at least 50% of the blame for the declassment of our middle classes and the rise of our expanded credentialed upper classes and so called one percenters.

    No, it’s simpler than free trade or even immigrants.

    The “credentialed upper classes” are more engaged in economically destructive activites than in productive activities. Someone has to pay for them. And that wouold be the productive people in the lower-middle class and working class.

    My sibs and my wife’s sib are part of this anti-productive upper-middle class. I know whereof I speak. On the other hand, lots of my cousins are part of the lower-middle class and working class who have to pay for it. Guess who voted for Hillary and who for Trump.

    By the way, the claim that NAFTA, WTO, etc. is “free trade” is a lie. It’s “managed trade,” managed to aid politically connected crony capitalists.

    Real free trade would not take thousands of pages of treaties. A few words would do: “Our citizens can buy whatever they want from anywhere they want as long as it is not physically dangerous.”

    Simple.

    • Replies: @Chief Seattle
  121. @Anonymous

    .If you could only bring 8 nationalities on the interstellar ark my picks would be:

    German
    Japanese
    Polish
    French
    Korean
    English
    Russian
    Greek

    That would be a disaster. Modern Greeks are very low IQ. Ethnic Russians are also low IQ and have very poor time preferences. The best list, for diversity, would be:

    Episcopalian American/Canadian Whites of English ancestry
    Ashkenazi Jews
    Scots
    Norwegians (for physical strength)
    Fujian Chinese
    Northern Italians
    Armenians
    Czechs (to ensure sufficient female pulchritude)

  122. @Anonymous

    And Thai wives for all of them.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  123. @syonredux

    Homosexuals are still men, and given lack of options men will have sex with anything. As prison and sheep-herding have demonstrated over the centuries. I’m sure the females can coax a few DNA donations from the gay athlete.

  124. @Anon7

    I think it depends – if the med student is in his freshman year, how much use as a medic will he be?

    Similarly, if the disabled guy lost a leg in a bike crash, that’s very different from having an inherited disability.

    And if the gay athlete is clean, maybe he can be made to step up to the plate and reproduce, (assuming our racist cop is capable of beating him down and/or the Mexican clergyman is charismatic enough to point out his God-Given duty, otherwise a group where a gay athlete is the strong leader could turn into a dystopia even faster than it otherwise would) .

    The clergyman can marry the gay athlete to the Muslim lady, the cop to the actress, and can marry our Native American himself. But that does leave an IQ problem, so maybe Asian boy might have to step up rather than the athlete.

    I can see why this essay could be a problem, especially if teenaged boys are writing it. The temptation to go full Handmaid’s Tale or State Breeding Camp is considerable.

    (If the idea is to chide the essayists for assuming that the med student, 60-year old administrator, racist cop, novelist etc are all female, shame on them)

  125. kihowi says:

    Don’t worry, it won’t come to that. Minorities (pbut) don’t actually want to take over doing all the work. What they want to change is who gets the shoulder pats. If white countries ever get into dangerous space exploration again (unlikely), it will be the black high school teacher who got six months of training who gets the starring role and later on it will be discovered that all the technical work was done by the transsexual janitor anyway. All the while no real obstacles will be put in the way of white men making it all happen. People are clever like that.

  126. 22pp22 says:

    The sheer scale of the insanity sweeping America amazes me. That academic “exercise” was dreamed up by a very disturbed mind. Things are bad enough in NZ. How long will ordinary Joes take being degraded like that? For ever?

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Desiderius
  127. kihowi says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Never read or listened to a homosexual’s life story without the inevitable “I was bored so I had sex with a bunch of women” bit.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  128. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @IHTG

    I’m not clicking on a NYT link, so tell me is that a Sarah Jeong piece?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  129. @Anon

    The happiest countries have no history” – prepare to see Brazilian well-being increase.

  130. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @22pp22

    How long will ordinary Joes take being degraded like that? For ever?

    Naah, just until they’re bred out of the gene pool. Won’t be long.

    It’s amazing what you can accomplish with propaganda.

  131. Cuyahoga Falls = more snobbery/regression to the mean anxiety

    Edina in Minn has SJW disease real bad too. Wannabe Elite breeding grounds are the most susceptible.

  132. Note the accountant and his wife are deracinated.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  133. @22pp22

    Cuyahoga Falls doesn’t want their students to be ordinary Joes. That’s why they’re doing this.

  134. jim jones says:
    @Anonymous

    I see that the American flag has been edited out of the movie “First Man”. Clearly there is no room for Americans on the moon:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/neil-armstrong-movie-first-man-omits-american-flag-on-moon-gosling-defends-2018-8

  135. RVBlake says:
    @snorlax

    Eight? I had difficulty coming up with two. I reluctantly chose the accountant’s wife and the Native American manager. It only latterly occurred to me that those choices would spell the end of the species…Unless the baby was a boy, but even then by the time the kid could engender a baby the Native American would be aged, and their product could be stillborn or a moron. Moreover, why does this young Indian not speak English? Is she making a statement, some kind of militant? I’d substitute the accountant’s husband for the Indian, the remoteness of the new surroundings would sort out the substance abuse problem.

    • Replies: @RVBlake
  136. @PhysicistDave

    Right. I’ll be a lot more sympathetic to free trade when I can take more than $400 back through customs – which hasn’t been adjusted for inflation since you could buy a new Honda Civic for $3500.

    Not sure about the physically dangerous part. Most construction equipment or even power tools could fall into that category. Maybe we just leave it as anything “not prohibited to possess in your home jurisdiction”.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @PhysicistDave
  137. RVBlake says:
    @RVBlake

    Just occurred to me…Presuming Mrs. Accountant’s baby boy is healthy, and produces a kid with the Indian, who would that kid reproduce with? This is not the Old Testament, after all.

  138. David JW says:

    That would be “who to leave behind”. Whom is only used after a preposition (e.g. “to whom”). I refer you to English idiom for proof of this.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Simon
  139. There’s Ross Perot, Dr. Laura, Dan Quayle, Courtney Love, Tanya Harding. Al Sharpton? AHHH, Tom Arnold! What the hells going on !?

    The Simpsons Spaceship to Mars and the Sun

  140. “Niya N. Blair, the center’s director, said on Wednesday that the exercise could help students understand their biases, both conscious and unconscious, but that it required proper guidance

    ah, yes, guidance….lotta “guidance” in schools the past few years

    • Replies: @Abe
  141. Ganderson says:
    @tyrone

    Tyrone: For a long time. It’s part on the move toward student centered learning. A teacher is supposed to be a “guide on the side” rather than a “sage on the stage”. Like the exercise above, these simulations tend to be extremely limiting, and dare I say it, moronic. As you no doubt are aware, SJWness is heavily concentrated in English and Social Studies (no one says “History” anymore). I don’t do simulations, as my working theory is that I know way more History than the average 11th grader. One other thing that factors in is that many school districts have gone to block scheduling, which is a 4 period 83 minute per period day. Another really stupid idea, one that shows no sign of dying. Dunno about Cuyahoga Falls. Gotta fill that 83 minutes!

  142. Anon[275] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Following some links, I arrive at this page:

    Reed College Grad’s Plan for Transgender Surgery Caught in Political Crosswinds
    The election of President Donald Trump had a big impact on transgender people, peeling back health care protections.

    https://www.thelundreport.org/content/reed-college-grads-plan-transgender-surgery-caught-political-crosswinds

    “Peeling back,” indeed:

    The male-to-female surgery Vetens underwent, penile inversion vaginoplasty, is a painstaking procedure using the penile and scrotal tissue to create a vagina.

    What’s the deal with these gamer and STEM trannies? We need more real research:

    That summer, as the 24-year-old prepared to start a Ph.D. program in physics at the University of Wisconsin, Wisconsin officials voted to allow transgender public employees — including graduate students who worked as teaching assistants — to obtain coverage for hormone therapies and surgery, in compliance with the Obama administration’s anti-discrimination rule.

    In school, she immersed herself in the dueling worlds of science and fantasy, playing Dungeons & Dragons with her friends during lunch and working in the lab of a Nobel Prize-winning geneticist during the summer. Longing to shed the legacy of a father with whom she didn’t get along, she changed her surname to Vetens, a derivation of vetenskap, the Swedish word for science.

    Vetens was at a gaming conference in 2013 when she first considered she might be transgender. Then 19, she gravitated to panel sessions that focused on being trans in the gaming community. “What does that say about my gender identity?” she wondered.

    What I foresee is that we are going to begin to have statistics about the number of women who are getting Ph.D.s in STEM that will not in in any way distinguish between trannies and real women, because doing so would be transphobic and make you a TERF. It will be like the statistics about black students in the Ivy League, most of whom trace their ancestry back to slave sellers, not slaves. There will be a festering resentment on the part of women that trannies are taking over in STEM and getting credit for being women. Companies and universities will be able to say that they met their quota, and “a transgender woman is a woman, full stop!” This will parallel what is happeing in sport. How it works out will be interesting to watch.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Thea
  143. DuanDiRen says:

    OT: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/03/south-koreas-fertility-rate-set-to-hit-record-low

    The Gardian knows what’s important: this lack of babies threatens Korea’s economy. And really, what are Korean history, art, and culture for, if not to boost the profits of the MNCs?

  144. Flip says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Olympia Fields and Flossmoor are more upscale black suburbs.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  145. The entire premise is clearly an alt-right troll probably from 4chan.

    A space ship without either a pilot or a navigator is going exactly nowhere. So this “space ship” is obviously a metaphor for “Nazi gas chamber” and now it’s a whole ‘nother Matter isn’t it? Why else would they have an old Jew (along with various other circus freaks) on the list of candidates anyway?

    Somebody needs to call the ADL about this..

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  146. Flip says:
    @Clyde

    I think going off the gold standard in 1971 has something to do with it. That eliminated a constraint on Federal government spending and debt issuance and so those in the financial and defense sectors benefit.

  147. Flemur says:

    Her team receives months of training before administering such exercises, she said.

    I LOL’d at that until I wondered who is paying for this crap.

  148. @Achmed E. Newman

    LOL. I think you’re mixing up Braveheart and Apocalypto, but so true.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  149. No telephone sanitizers? Strikes me that they wouldn’t be out of place on this list.

    I think it would be wise if the education professionals received decades of instruction before they are allowed to conduct this dangerous exercise.

  150. @White Guy In Japan

    I’ve only been with one Thai, and I couldn’t tell if the enthusiasm was real or put on. Besides potential authentic enthusiasm, I can’t think of a reason to take self-centered dwarf-like sex slaves on a mission to save humanity.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  151. @kihowi

    Never read or listened to a homosexual’s life story…

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
  152. Amen says:

    Leave the Jew, homo, Muslim and black behind. Take everyone else.

  153. ChrisZ says:
    @Achilles

    Achilles, I think the key to understanding this (idiotic) task is not in the present formulation of the characters, but in the way those characters differ from the earlier (original?) version of the task from the 1970s.

    I remember doing this as a kid—it was administered, as might be expected, by a student teacher fresh out of Ed school, with various “new paradigms” in her mind. The characters back then were mostly scrubbed of ethnicity—one may have been designated as black—and there were only vague value judgments about their moral status.

    For example, I recall the cop character being described as a retired policeman with his gun; “they are inseparable.” There was a college coed (my introduction to that word), and possibly a non-English speaker. Even as a kid I could see that the scenario was stacked to lead us to certain choices, based on liberal concerns of a 1970s vintage. The student teacher tried to dissuade us from choosing the cop because, you know, police brutality. It says something that, 40 years later, such a “teacher’s manual helping hint” has to be spelled out explicitly in the task itself.

    It would be interesting to compare the old and current versions in this way.

  154. Hibernian says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    A major oil company had a Harvey Technical Center. It’s long gone.

  155. @George

    I’m sad no one (Derb?) has referenced Garrett Hardin’s “Lifeboat Ethics.”

    I gave a Japanese university ESL discussion and debate class a similar problem once. (I told them they were on the “Hino-maru,” which I thought was kind of clever since “…maru” is a ship’s name, like “USS…” or “HMS…”, but “Hino-maru” is also the name of their national flag.)

    If you were Yan Shen, you might think they would be “Confucian” and save the old people. In reality, they were reluctant to discuss the issues, and after they figured out I wasn’t going to judge or manipulate them, they became quite pragmatic about the whole thing. They threw the old, sick, and unskilled overboard in an instant.

    Take what you want from this anecdote. I conclude that politucal outcomes on issues like immigration are largely dependant on controlling the Narrative Megaphone, as Steve would say.

    ——————

    Anyway, none of you figured out how to play this game to win…

    Moonraker/Heartiste-mashup-style, your 8 companions are 5 gorgeous women (white or East Asian) and 3 brilliant but nerdy engineers (East Asian). This nicely balances your ability to repopulate the species with your descendants against the need to survive initial technical hurdles.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  156. Corn says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Your friend’s son had to dress in drag to pass a course?

    Christ I’m glad I never went to college.

    • Replies: @WowJustWow
  157. @Anonymous

    A passenger liner is wrecked at sea and these 15 people find themselves together in a lifeboat. The lifeboat however can only support 9 people. If six are not eliminated everyone will die.

    It’s weird that a thought problem like this even exists anymore in Western societies, where, in keeping with our immigration policies, the correct answer would be “Everyone is welcome in our lifeboat! Please climb in! Diversity is our greatest strength! As long as it has maximum diversity, our lifeboat cannot sink!”

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Hail
  158. @International Jew

    I can’t watch “The Office” now without thinking how weird it is that Hollywood wants to make an action hero out of the actor who plays Jim, John Krasinski.

  159. Hibernian says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    This term was coined by E. Digby Baltzell, who was one himself. As a professor at Penn, he had a lot of Jewish students. (Some people on this site regularly claim that the word “WASP” is a Jewish invention.) He lived in Rittenhouse Square, which was and is to Philadelphia what the Gold Coast is to Chicago. (Always wealthy with no decline, fall, or subsequent resurgence, although in one era certainly under threat. Very close to Downtown.)

  160. @BenKenobi

    That’s what got me about “Seven Eves”.  They literally had the genes of heroes to pick from, and deliberately threw them away.  It beggars the imagination to suggest that a tiny population hanging on by its fingernails would not have situations requiring heroics to survive in the next several generations.

  161. Forbes says:
    @Ed

    Urban liberal whites send their kids to private or parochial schools in NYC. Even my building super (no liberal, though) sent his two boys to Catholic schools.

  162. Lot says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Greeks immigrants are doctors in the USA at the highest per capita rate.

  163. @James Speaks

    This exercise suffers from liberal fogwash (groupthink) where the means to make a pie just somehow magically happen but it’s up to the righteous SJW to decide who gets the pie. Because they’re more deserving.

    Nice!

  164. @Harry Baldwin

    I can’t watch “The Office” now without thinking how weird it is that Hollywood wants to make an action hero out of the actor who plays Jim, John Krasinski.

    He’s already been in one action movie, “13 Hours.” Also the new Amazon show, “Jack Ryan,” is pretty good. At least so far. The review in Vanity Fair sold me on the show:

    Jack Ryan Is a Patriotic Nightmare Watching this show feels like falling down a Fox News rabbit hole.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/08/jack-ryan-amazon-tv-show-review-tom-clancy-john-krasinski

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  165. @Anonymous

    I hope you’re being sarcastic. The only problem with the use of the term “WASP” is that no one ever takes the time to conclusively define it.

  166. DFH says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Ethnic Russians are also low IQ

    But they’re not

  167. Corn says:
    @Achilles

    “8. Militant African-American medical student. Including this individual will ensure that the colony can fulfill its moral obligation to make available access to reproductive health care, in particular the termination of pregnancies.”

    LOL
    Your mentioning abortion there jogged my memory. Did anyone here watch the remake series of Battlestar Galactica in the 2000s?

    To sum it up briefly humanity lives in a solar system and we number billions. Then a robot race called the Cylons attack and the entire human population of the universe plunges to approximately 50,000.

    Well in one episode this girl wants an abortion. The President (strongly pro-choice pre-apocalypse) is sympathetic. But she talks to a scientist and he projects that with deaths from further Cylon attacks, old age, illnesses etc humans will be extinct in twenty years. So at the end of the episode the President issues an executive order criminalizing abortion.

    If there ever was a real apocalypse or “civilization must rebuild” scenario I expect pro-choice zealots will find themselves most unpopular. So would slutty women and playboy men for that matter. Gotta build up a new generation!

    • Replies: @Wilkey
  168. Lot says:
    @Chief Seattle

    The USA has the cheapest consumer goods on the planet. Ultra low retail margins, good infrastructure and competition, no VAT and fairly low sales taxes, very low average tariffs.

    It is crazy to go to an appliance store in Europe or Mexico and see how expensive things like microwaves and washing machines are. As well as cars, but the gap varies and models often feature bigger engines in the USA. In America the major car companies often sell their cheap small cars at a loss to meet CAFE standards.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
    , @Chief Seattle
  169. I don’t get what exactly made this classroom exercise a fiasco. I get that people (all of them liberals, their sensitivities being the only ones that matter) were offended, but as is typical of many articles about offensive this and that nowadays, you’re just expected to know.

    The schools superintendent has apologized, the teacher has a reprimand in his personnel file. But why??

    A few guesses:
    1. Kids said politically incorrect things in the course of the discussion, that are so awful the Times can’t print them.
    2. The teacher offended some kid who told his mom who raised a ruckus.
    3. The descriptions of the twelve astronaut candidates contain language that’s now verbotten. (The word “homosexual”, we’re not supposed to say that, are we? Or is it back?)

  170. @Reg Cæsar

    The term “Anglo” is fine to describe those of us who speak English as our mother tongue. If some people say it with malice, that’s their problem. “Honi soit qui mal y pense“.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  171. HA says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    “The best list, for diversity, would be: Episcopalian American/Canadian Whites of English ancestry…”

    I see this line of thinking often in this site, but come on, Episcopalian is hardly a legit category. When people become rich, they start going to the Episcopalian church. When they become poor, they gravitate back to being evangelicals, Catholics, and Baptists. Somehow, that needs to be factored out, or you might as well just say American/Canadians from the local high-end country club or the most expensive private schools. You could similarly attempt to praise the salutary effects of Mormon polygamy on the male population, but it’s not so salutary if all the less successful males are simply kicked out and dumped into the general population.

    In fact, according to people like Cochran and others, the same categorization problem exists with Ashkenazi. Early on, the poor ones who couldn’t afford the time and expense in making the son literate eventually gave up on Judaism or were left behind, and so they drifted off into Christianity. Later, when the number of poor Jews in the Pale and elsewhere became large enough, poor Jews could easily remain Jewish, but by then, much of the “filtration” had already happened.

  172. @Harry Baldwin

    He was always the secret (principally to himself) stud of that show. Perfectly captured a 15-year swath of my life.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  173. @International Jew

    “all of them liberals”

    Liberals is imprecise. Many of them have probably voted R for a good chunk of their lives. For different reasons (because the purpose is SJW indoctrination) I wouldn’t way my own kids being part of this.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  174. @moshe

    This means that the weaponed policeman of iffy humor who also happens to hate blacks is out.

    Why do you assume the police officer hates blacks? The number of people called racist is at least 1,000 times the number of people who actually hate blacks. BTW, you’re a racist since you visit this site.

  175. @International Jew

    One more theory…
    4. The exercise invited white kids (Cuyahoga Falls being 90% white) to comment about people of color. There’s very little a white person is allowed to say now, positive or negative, about a person of color. Maybe some white college professors know how to pick their way through that mine field, but eighth graders would be getting blown up right and left.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  176. @James Speaks

    Fogwash => coming to an OED near you. Brilliant!

    SJWs decide because they rule and we don’t. Perhaps we could spare a moment or two away from our pie making to rectify that situation.

  177. BTW, can we be assured that the female movie star is not Gabourey Sidibe or Rhea Perlman?

    • Replies: @Kurt
  178. @Peter Akuleyev

    Episcopalian American/Canadian Whites of English ancestry

    Do you mean Canadians whose ancestors came from England or just people who speak English and whose ancestors came from the British Isles? If it’s the former, then good luck separating out those with Scots, Irish, French and German forefathers. This seems like yet more internet WASP foolishness to me.

  179. @snorlax

    You can’t assume much about the merits of the militant Black med student for 2 reasons:

    1.  Affirmative-action admissions.  Do you want a Kermit Gosnell-in-training?

    2.  Regression to the mean in any offspring.  This goes for any non-Europeans.

    Of course, anyone who so much as breathes either of these Hatefacts is a Badthinker who must be beaten down without mercy and purged from society.

  180. @Reg Cæsar

    Is that the worst album cover ever?

    IME it isn’t all that out of the ordinary for the period.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  181. @Desiderius

    Not a convincing tough guy, though.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  182. JimB says:
    @Anonymous

    As I may have commented previously, simulations show it takes 100 healthy, reasonably young humans to reboot the human race. So this really isn’t a question of who you need to take to sustain humanity because within a century you can assume everyone on the spaceship, along with their descendants, will be gone. It’s a question of who you should take out of a sense of moral obligation or who you might take out of a sense of puckish amusement. Obviously the list gives insufficient info, like the relative hotness of the females. Or the practical talents and skill set of the males.

  183. EdwardM says:

    Reminds me of a college professor friend of mine who would open his Economics 101 course with the annual photo in the school newspaper of all of the students clamoring, pushing and shoving, camping out overnight, etc. in line for hockey tickets when they first go on sale. Demand greatly exceeded supply. He would ask them, what’s the fairest way to allocate the tickets?

    Students’ answers would fit the SJW mold, from the authoritarian (e.g., allocating them based on Pokeman points like this exercise) to the feelz (make the students write an essay and award it to whoever deserves them more based on their writings).

    The closest to a free-market answer was either allocate them by lottery or on a first-come-first-served basis.

    Never did any student give an obvious answer — auction them off to the highest bidder. When my friend suggested this approach, the students would shriek and gasp at the outrageous “unfairness” of this solution. We are doomed.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Fred Boynton
  184. @anony-mouse

    Yeah, a first I did a double take, too–after all, how the hell could someone manage even a blowjob in a dick factory while speaking only a language that’s spoken by, at most, a few thousand other people–but then I realized that it could be an Indian from Latin America who speaks Spanish also.

  185. @Lot

    Every time I go back the it does seem like the spread narrows especially if you exclude the VAT but this is one of those things that you really have to live in Europe to understand. You start to understand why even corporate VPs only own two or three suits.

  186. rjj says:

    nebulous bullshit programs should include quality control data — perhaps math and language performance scores???

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  187. EdwardM says:
    @Anonymous

    I’d swap the Lebanese (assuming he is Christian) for the German. The former are the most resourceful [non-white, perhaps] ethnicity on the planet, the latter are the least.

  188. @Peter Akuleyev

    Modern Greeks are very low IQ.

    That’s because they’re mostly Turkish by ancestry.

    I lived next door to an actual ethnic Greek for a while.  Blonde as can be.  Natural.

  189. @Anonymous

    You can always hit archive.is to see if they’ve saved a copy.

  190. @Achilles

    According to the test designers knowing which sex these people are is not important information?

    The exercise, sadly and laughably, is about who deserves to survive (not who can aid in effecting said survival). And only a sexist would think that whether a person is a man or a woman, would play any role in what they deserve.

    It’s like the exercise occurs in some imaginary context where “the authorities” will somehow provide a stable environment in outer space, and none of the people who deserve to benefit from this colony, will actually have anything to do with it’s survival & success. Low-wage immigrants doing all the scut work, perhaps? Slaves, basically. Not sure how else this would work. On the other hand, it still wouldn’t.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  191. Anon[259] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    The “ex-Cosby actor working at Trader Joe’s” story was sold to the Daily Mail by a black lesbian couple, but aiming vitriol at them doesn’t fit the narrative, so a rather innocuous tweet from Fox News is now the outrage target, as the AfroLesboes’ role in the matter fades into the memory hole.

  192. @snorlax

    Do you mean “rise up to the occasion?”

  193. A teacher at my high school did a similar exercise where there were a bunch of people to choose from to go into a shelter with you during a nuclear war, presumably you and the group would be the only survivors. He then berated anybody who did not choose the black man.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  194. @ACommenter

    No. 70:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/whats-obama-hiding/

    The commenter’s name was … Anonymous. So we’ll never know.

    • Replies: @ACommenter
  195. @Intelligent Dasein

    No, this is the kind of bullshit they’ve been doing in school for the last 45 years.

    Yeah, we did something similar to this way back in my sophomore year of school (91-92). It was nearly identical actually.

  196. @Intelligent Dasein

    requiring the students to dress in drag in order to pass the course. This actually happened to the son of a friend of mine

    .

    Yeah…no….sounds like HVAC or marine mechanics’ school for my offspring…

  197. @Achmed E. Newman

    The “remaining (((white))) parents”, you mean?

  198. @Joe Stalin

    Truly impressive in this day and age.

    How does the proprietor get any government or business contracts with that employee demographic?

    I mean, he must need to keep off the radar just to keep his place from getting torched.

  199. Tea Leafe says:

    The lack of ordinary people is striking, or maybe Fred Branfman already saved them all on his rocket

  200. @nebulafox

    Yes. Withdrawing cold turkey instantly from hard drugs is a risky business. The ex-user could get violent, suicidal, or severely, even mortally, sick

    This happens with anti-psychotics/SSRIs as well.

    I saw it first hand with an acquaintance who ran out of pills a month into our overseas assignment. Guy went catatonic overnight. We are lucky he didn’t jump off his 8th floor balcony.

  201. I would take four breeding couples to perpetuate the human race, so the four I would leave behind would be:

    1. The accountant with the substance abuse problem since he already has some of his genes on the spaceship.
    2. The novelist, because we don’t know what sex he/she is and the disability might be hereditary, for example Dostoyevsky had epilepsy.
    3. The militant African American medical student for the same reason
    4. The homosexual male athlete for wasting perfectly good balls.

    Of course we don’t know if the 60-year-old Jewish university administrator is a post menopausal female, but with this bunch on board we need someone a bit more mature to keep order.

    We don’t know if the racist cop is a man or a woman, but chances are he is a heterosexual male.

    The female move (sic) star is probably sexually attractive and would make a good mate for the Asian 12-year old boy.

    This leaves us with four women, three men, and the Jewish university administrator, but I am sure that the Hispanic clergyman would not mind servicing two of the women should the Jewish university adminstrator turn out to be a gay male or elderly female. Of course he might be against homosexuality because he is secretly gay, but in that case the racist cop and the Asian lad will have to fill in on conjugal duties.

    Since I was once foreman of a jury, I have no doubt of my ability to get a unanimous vote out of my group who will just want to get the assignment finished and go home.

  202. 1. a 21-year old, female, Muslim international student
    2. an Asian, orphaned 12-year old boy
    3. the accountant’s pregnant wife
    4. a Hispanic clergyman who is against homosexuality
    5. a famous novelist with a physical disability
    6. a 33-year-old female Native American manager who does not speak English
    7. an accountant with a substance abuse problem
    8. a female movie star who was recently the victim of a sexual assault

    Clearly, I win.

  203. @Flip

    That’s true, but Joe didn’t specific “upscale”.

    The only thing keeping Olympia Fields and Flossmore “upscale black suburbs” are the expensive white country clubs and big houses still occupied by old white money that from a cost perspective are still out of reach from section 8. Both towns are still about half white.

    My wife grew up in Park Forest and worked at the Flossmore CC as a caddy and a waitress for about 10 years during the summer while she was in HS and college.

  204. @EdwardM

    What did your “college professor friend” (or is it (((college professor friend)))?) think about allocating student places at the college to the highest bidder? What about allocating professorships and administrative positions in colleges to the highest bidder or even auctioning off the entire college either whole or piecemeal to the highest bidder, or would that be beyond the pale? Are we doomed if we would or wouldn’t offer these positions and the college itself to the highest bidder? Would it be fair or unfair to auction off everything in society to the highest bidder? I look forward to your answer.

    • Replies: @EdwardM
  205. @Cagey Beast

    Bah. Anglo- in English is a prefix. One who speaks English is an Anglophone. Historically, we are Anglo-Saxons.

    Let the damn beaners keep their own terms.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  206. Anon[259] • Disclaimer says:
    @David JW

    Wow. I was going to correct your correction, but now I’m not sure. “Whom” could be the object of the infinitive “to leave behind.” Normally we expanded such sentences to make things clearer. “Who are the members to leave behind?” Predicate compliment problem? Here the infinitive has an adjectival functiong, modifying members. You would say,” I am the person to call,” not “Me is the person to call.” I’m leaning towards “Who to leave behind?” now. I’m getting a headache. So I’ll leave it at that.

    • Replies: @David JW
  207. @anony-mouse

    ‘… a 33 year old female Native American manager who does not speak English…’?

    Does she live in Quebec?

  208. @Mr. Rational

    IME it isn’t all that out of the ordinary for the period.

    All the other really bad ones were in the 69¢ bin. Steely Dan is in the MSRP section to this day.

    Imagine the ruckus today were “Houses of the Holy” and “Mom’s Apple Pie” released with their notorious cover art.

    • Replies: @Olorin
  209. @Mike Street Station

    I saw “13 Hours” and didn’t find John Krasinski convincing as the type of guy he was portraying. Guess he’s there for the ladies.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  210. @Lot

    Yes, and I appreciate the low cost and options. Even the high-end brands have to provide value to compete.

    Ultimately though, more and more of our dollars go to local taxes, medical care, housing, and tuition. The prices of things that aren’t traded have grown far faster than inflation, and incremental standard of living improvements are going to be far easier to get by making those areas more efficient than obsessing over a $1000 appliance that lasts ten years.

  211. @Reg Cæsar

    Bah. Anglo- in English is a prefix. One who speaks English is an Anglophone.

    To my Canadian ear, “Anglophone” sounds prissy and bureaucratic. “Anglo” is like the word “Brit”; it’s simply descriptive and informal. It can be said with malice but then so can any label that’s applied to groups of people.

    Historically, we are Anglo-Saxons.

    I’m not and neither are many people whose ancestors come from the British Isles. Using “Anglo-Saxon” to refer to all of us is just more bourgeois triumphalism. WASPs and their English cousins did very well out of the Second Industrial Revolution, so they got to commission the official story of the Anglosphere. As an Irish-Canadian Tory, I’m, like, “whatever”.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  212. those who you feel are most deserving to make the trip

    It shouldn’t really be down to my personal feelings (of course I am not a child who is the object of the propaganda exercise), but each of the candidates should be interviewed and asked the question:

    “So the whole of the human race is toast, but there will be eight survivors leaving for another planet. Tell me what qualities YOU as a candidate think are needed for selection to this team, what you bring to the group, and why you feel you deserve to make the final cut.

    Being a crypto-Christian, you would then select those who were most willing to sacrifice themselves for others.

  213. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    “If you could only bring 8 nationalities on the interstellar ark my picks would be…”

    Your list GENOCIDED several fine ethnic groups who are white–Italians, Norwegians, Scottish, Serbians–for Japanese and Korean. No wonder recruitment for the Alt Right is apathetic. Didn’t you receive the memo regarding who are the Bad Guys and who are the Good Guys in our current ideological climate?

    BAD
    Trouble maker white –> Middle Eastern and Jewish

    We feel sorry for you because you are not white –> blacks, Asians, indigenous

    Fake white –> SJW, leftist, and/or feminist designation

    PROBABLY BAD
    Inferior white –> white + black or Asian or indigenous or mutt

    You may be white, but probably not –> those who are wiggers

    Wannabe whites –> those who lighten their skin to pass as white

    Nazi white –> those who are extremist whites or in the KKK or those who love Hitler

    PROBABLY GOOD
    White, but not white –> those who oppose the Alt Right but are not leftists or feminists

    Simply white –> whites who prefer not to be labeled as white…receive the label

    GOOD
    True white –> Alt Right designation

    Exceptional white –> Alt Right designation + trace ancestors directly from 13 colonies

  214. @snorlax

    Granted, it’s not a scientific sample, but I’d say based on the people I run into in my everyday life that at least 25% of the male population are functional alcoholics.

  215. @Harry Baldwin

    He bridges the yawning gap between actual tough guys and contemporary young men.

  216. @Harry Baldwin

    I appreciated the effort. Same with Cooper in Sniper.

  217. J1234 says:

    They left some folks off the list:

    - African American gang banger
    - Immigrant rapist from Africa (25% of S.A. males claim they’ve raped women)
    - Immigrant from India who commits honor killings
    - Immigrant from middle east who throws acid in people’s faces.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  218. 36 ulster says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    I don’t think he’s gonna tell. My guess is South Holland, which is majority-Black but with some of its Dutch community remaining. Harvey resembles something out of a V.S. Naipaul (RIP) novel in its economy and “leadership.” Something like A Bend in the River.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  219. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    8.

    The young versions of

    Sean Connery (aesthetics and personality)
    James Woods (brains and wit)

    Patricia Neal
    Audrey Hepburn
    Joan Crawford
    Michelle Burke (aka Michelle Rene Thomas)
    Maureen O’Hara
    Susan Sontag

  220. Olorin says:
    @Anonymous

    Because in your tender youth you were destined for future inclusion in the Sailertariat.

    Which is a little encampment of workmenlike individuals setting roots and tillers in the middle of doom rather than a thanatophilia-porn escape from it.

    In my mind, the idea that 7th and 8th graders–the most hellaciously confusing and insecure ages for many kids–would be taught to imagine their own exinction is Milgramesque.

    Host said:

    It would be interesting to construct an End-of-the-World experiment like this in which one possible outcome is the utter elimination of the white race from humanity’s survivors.

    And this isn’t?

    https://www.publicschoolreview.com/roberts-middle-school-profile

    88% white is how I read that. The list above of 12 descriptors designates 7 as minority and zero as white.

    I’d say that this is precisely the agenda of this experiment.

    Attacking children’s sense of security and humanity in this way is the product of sick minds. Believe me, this is what schooling has become. Not an imparting of ancestral knowledge or a building of skills, but a boot camp where children’s minds and souls are torn down to rebuild them.

  221. Svigor says:

    I enjoy thinking about how hard I could trigger the pseudo-scientists running these studies, without even trying. This “implicit bias” stuff is so wasted on me. My bias is really, really, REALLY explicit.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  222. this “spaceship quiz” is simply a skiffy ( and more deviant ) variant of the “Life Raft quiz”.

    that i was given in elementary school back in the middle 1970s.

    so everyone who pretends outrage that the chillins are being given sociology practice sessions like this? you’re being retards. YOU almost certainly had exactly these sorts of questions given to you back in your yonder school days.

    and the goal in the 1970s was the same as it is now; to drive sociological change desired by Cultural Marxists.

    and the biggest problem isn’t even that children are creating groups which are ( or aren’t ) sufficiently Diverse.

    it’s that they’re being acclimated to think that they have any right to make such decisions in the first place.

  223. Achilles says:

    Come to think of it, I’m not sure the answer Sherwood Schwartz came up with can be improved upon:

    Gilligan; the Skipper, too; the millionaire, and his wife; the movie star; the Professor; and Mary Ann.

    A nice mix of experience, abilities, entertainment value and the eternal Ginger vs Mary Ann dilemma.

  224. bomag says:
    @moshe

    I’d say you overemphasize the value of medical personnel on such a journey. I can’t imagine such a ship having much beyond basic first aid, if elbow room is such a premium.

    It’s a good bet the “racist” cop has more critical skills in a frontier environment.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  225. @Mike Zwick

    “Diversity and inclusion”.  It’s all about “diversity and inclusion”.

  226. I will read all the comments later, but I would leave myself and all family members off the list, we could spend our last days together sharing our love. The options listed couldn’t manage a household, let alone regenerate society. So I offer my own list: An Amish couple in the late twenties or early thirties that could manage a sustainable farm, provide carpentry and house making skills. A first rate mechanic, who understands hydraulics and can perform both MIG and TIG welding. A young female journeyman electrician. A female PhD level Physicians’ Assistant in her late twenties or early thirties. Two other healthy females that could take turns being pregnant and sharing child raising. One old retired cop to man our borders.

  227. @Desiderius

    She’s still got the voice and the swagger. And she’s 65 in that recording !

  228. @Corn

    newrouter really should have posted “Reelin’ in the Years” in this thread:

    “The weekend at the college didn’t turn out like you planned / The things that pass for knowledge I can’t understand”

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  229. Olorin says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The difference being that “Mom’s Apple Pie” didn’t have that much of an audience among anybody, never mind little kids, and they stank, unlike Led Zeppelin. Just another marginal band that had temporary mixed success on the sex-n-drug-show circuit thanks to their promoter.

    https://rateyourmusic.com/label/brown_bag_records/

    But their stupid album cover in fact shocked enough people that IIRC there was an attempt made to recall every copy of it. The white guys I knew who had a copy treasured and snorted over it in a way that indicated they had no idea how they were being played/plyed with forbidden fruit.

    The band itself was a bunch of guidos from Roger Ailes’s and WvO Quine’s hometown (Warren, OH), up in the same corner of the state whence originated Dink and DEVO and where resideth Kent State University, alma mater of Mark Mothersbaugh, Bob Lewis, and Gerald Casale…

    …as well as Roberts Middle School, Cuyahoga.

    Further east in Trumpsylvania that area of Ohio was considered BurningRiver/TireStinkLandia. But I always thought of it as Old DEVOn, Ground Zero of the recognition that something was going terribly awry in the US. That association of mine originated with the Pennsylvania Main Line town whose name was constantly having its name changed on road and highway signs in SE PA–the N painted out with whatever color was the background of the sign.

  230. @James Speaks

    New terminology is needed to fight race communism etc, it can help clarify so much and catalyze resistance! lol, optimism

  231. Tulip says:
    @snorlax

    No, you gotta take the Black nationalist as its the only choice with any medical knowledge, and either ditch the Asian kids or the Jewish administrator.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  232. Tulip says:
    @IHTG

    NYT:

    “The newer narrative casts them as the liberal coalition’s noblest group — willing to put solidarity with fellow minorities above the economic concerns that might tempt them rightward, and willing to accept, for the greater good, a system of racial preferences that benefits others more than them.”

    Ah, Asians get to be the new white Democrats! You get to send us your money, and we get to use your money to discriminate against your kids. . . I thought Asians were supposed to be higher IQ than whites?

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  233. Correct answer: I wouldn’t let any of these dysgenic, dysfunctional losers on the rocket. If this dross is the best the human race can come up with then good riddance to Homo sapiens. Perhaps the higher order gastropods can evolve into a newer, better, culturally based technological society.

    BTW, when I was in school our social studies curriculum included a detailed discussion of the federal and state constitutions, an examination of the major types of city and local government, a brief introduction to micro-economics and an even briefer one to macro economics, and a comparative analysis of communism, fascism, and democracy. In my HS senior year, a new teacher, already infected with Frankfurt School crap, forced on us some Gunnar Myrdal nonsense and crap about the “authoritarian personality”. But earlier learning had pretty much insulated me and my fellow students. Aside from a few nascent lefties the class was notably resistant to his indoctrination.

    I keep getting slammed over the head with the extent of the deterioration in our nation and society over the last half century.

  234. Kurt says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    I think we can safely rules out anyone having sexually assaulted one of the recently. Can;t hardly look, much less touch!

  235. kiismerhe says:
    @eD

    I think human diversity means being smart in different ways for aliens. Being homosexual won’t qualify.

  236. @36 ulster

    I worked in Harvey for 2 years. It’s police station was raided by the FBI a couple years before I started working out there. Its mayor, police chief, and several of its police officers were rumored to be members of the P-stones.

    Search “Jeff Fort” and “Jesse Jackson” to see pictures of a young JJ hanging out with the co-founder of one of the most notorious black street gangs of Chicago.

    But yeah, Joe’s not spillin’. That’s fine, I don’t really blame him.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  237. Simon says:
    @David JW

    I was a professional copy editor for many years and have never heard this. Any supporting links? I know there was a long-ago TV show called “Who Do You Trust?” — but the title used to be ridiculed (at least by pedants) for being ungrammatical.

    • Replies: @David JW
  238. So, who did the students opt to save¿

  239. JimB says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    .If you could only bring 8 nationalities on the interstellar ark my picks would be:

    German
    Japanese
    Polish
    French
    Korean
    English
    Russian
    Greek

    Oh, my. I’d take the Northern Italians in place of the Greeks. The ancient Greeks invented western civilization and all that, but modern Greeks are barely related to the ancients. They are more like Albanians. Modern Italians are still wildly creative and maybe still about 40% related to the noble Romans. And I’d take the Dutch in place of the French, who have poisoned their bloodline with Algerians and Morrocans.

  240. “____a 33 year old female Native American manager who does not speak English
    ____a homosexual male, professional athlete”

    These two could be straight from a Bronze Age Pervert Twitter feed. Perhaps Steve could get more information for us?

  241. None of the useless bums in the article would make it on my rocket.

    4 white men, 4 white women.
    No shirtlifters or rug munchers.

    The men should be engineers- civil, mechanical, electrical, hydraulic.
    The women should be a doctor, botany/biology type, nutritionist and a babe for the men to use.

  242. David JW says:
    @Anon

    Yes it is the object of “leave behind”, but my feeling is that as “whom” is becoming outdated, it is only found in idiomatic English when use after a preposition forces you to use it, eg: “who are you speaking to? ” or “to whom are you speaking?” In other circumstances, even where the object, the idiom no longer uses it. “Who can you see?” is what nearly all native speakers say, not “whom can you see?”

  243. @Harry Baldwin

    Yeah, Ive had that response to seeing Andy from Parks and Rec as a Navy SEAL taking out Bin Laden and a velociraptor trainer/mercenary.

    The thing is they both do real well in those roles. There is definitely an everyman quality to them both.

  244. David JW says:
    @Simon

    Look, Simon, I was a professional copy editor in England too for many years. “Who do you trust?” is what is said, not “whom do you trust?” English English is by definition the standard…

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @Simon
  245. Abe says: • Website
    @propagandist hacker

    “Niya N. Blair, the center’s director, said on Wednesday that the exercise could help students understand their biases, both conscious and unconscious, but that it required proper guidance”

    ah, yes, guidance….lotta “guidance” in schools the past few years

    So she is literally saying you need training before you can begin your diversity training. Diversity training-training. Diversity trainings all the way down! A diversity seminar wrapped up in multiculturalism symposium inside an inclusivity workshop!

    • LOL: Svigor, Mr. Rational
  246. Svigor says:
    @Tulip

    Lol, ditch the AA MD and his regression to the mean baggage if you want to populate your new planet.

  247. @Peter Akuleyev

    “Homosexuals are still men, and given lack of options men will have sex with anything. As prison and sheep-herding have demonstrated over the centuries. I’m sure the females can coax a few DNA donations from the gay athlete.”

    Worst case scenario you could always resort to the turkey baster method. You’d just have to give the homosexual an ultimatum: your sperm or your life!

  248. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Spaceship with lawn-chairs.

  249. Thea says:

    Maybe, as a species, we’ve just about run our course.

  250. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    I’ve only been with one Thai, and I couldn’t tell if the enthusiasm was real or put on. Besides potential authentic enthusiasm, I can’t think of a reason to take self-centered dwarf-like sex slaves on a mission to save humanity.

    I don’t know dude, a small brown highly-sexual Asian woman sounds like marital heaven to me. Especially now, when today my wife has been giving me shit about sitting around drinking beer and doing nothing on Labor Day. If I had to do over…

  251. Thea says:
    @Anon

    Not trying to gross anyone out but for m-f trannies no actual vaginale is created

    • Replies: @dr kill
  252. Olorin says:
    @bomag

    Correction, the black homo affleet. Yep, you’re correct.

    After all, somebody’s gotta ensure the delivery of HPV, gonorrhea, syphilis, chlamydia, HIV, and other STDs to Otherworld Humanity.

    https://www.cdc.gov/std/life-stages-populations/msm.htm

  253. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Why not Danish and Scottish instead?

  254. It looks like the space mission has a new candidate:

    Former UBS trader jailed for Britain’s biggest fraud faces deportation

    LONDON (Reuters) – British authorities are preparing to deport a former UBS trader jailed for the country’s biggest fraud which cost the Swiss bank $2.25 billion, his spokesman said on Monday.
    [....]
    Ghanaian citizen Kweku Adoboli was released from prison on probation in 2015 after serving half of a seven-year sentence, but he has now been detained pending his deportation.
    [...]
    “It is still hoped that the (interior minister) will have the common sense not to deport an individual that is so obviously an asset to our community,” Hopewell-Smith said, referring to Adoboli’s work which includes campaigning for cultural change in financial services.
    [...]

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-adoboli-deportation/former-ubs-trader-jailed-for-britains-biggest-fraud-faces-deportation-idUSKCN1LJ1SZ

  255. Captain Michael Brant, commanding—pilot, astrogator, relief cook, relief photographer, rocketry engineer;

    Dr. Winifred Coburn Brant, forty-one, semantician, practical nurse, stores officer, historian;

    Mr. Francis X. Seeney, twenty-eight, executive officer, second pilot, astrogator, astrophysicist, photographer;

    Dr. Olga Kvalic Seeney, twenty-nine, cook, biochemist, hydroponicist;

    Dr. Ward Smith, forty-five, physician and surgeon, biologist;

    Dr. Mary Jane Lyle Smith, twenty-six, atomics engineer, electronics and power technician;

    Mr. Sergei Rimsky, thirty-five, electronics engineer, chemical engineer, practical machinist and instrumentation man, cryologist;

    Mrs. Eleanora Alvarez Rimsky, thirty-two, geologist and selenologist, hydroponicist.

    These are the kinds of persons one selects for a crew of eight in such a dire endeavor, and, even then, the possibility of human frailties like cuckoldry can lead to murder and suicide. Imagine the potential for mischief (or simple failure due to stupidity and ignorance) from sending novelists, academic bureaucrats, athletes, policemen, and such. The only person listed remotely qualified and of any use Ian perhaps the medical student, but even he falls short because he is a mere student: what, not one practicing physician was to be found in a group large and sophisticated enough to be launching interstellar ships!?

    Hell’s Bells – an aircraft mechanic or even an able seaman would be more useful than any of the eight dingbats proposed. What a stupid exercise, based as it isn’t upon preposterous premises. It assumes a can-opener, as the old joke about economists goes.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  256. dr kill says:

    Did anyone else check for a photo of Miss Niya? Shes not getting left on the launch pad.

  257. @Cagey Beast

    Using “Anglo-Saxon” to refer to all of us is just more bourgeois triumphalism.

    And “Anglo” isn’t? That doesn’t follow.

    Okay, you be an Anglo, but not Anglo-Saxon. I’ll stay Anglo-Saxon, but not “Anglo”.

    As an Irish-Canadian Tory…

    Did your ancestor mumble his or her oath to His or Her Majesty, as well? That’s been an issue with Hibernian immigrants to Canada.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @Anonymous
  258. dr kill says:
    @Thea

    Oh honey, you are correct and incorrect. Were you asleep last week? Of course the first vagina transplant has yet to be performed, but they certainly are making front holes, mostly with leftover penis and scrotum.

  259. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox

    Assuming that the process is successfully completed, it then takes time to relearn all the basic stuff about life that have atrophied when you were an addict, and it is a frustrating process for all involved.

    Like what sort of stuff needs to be relearned?

    I’m going through a similar process with electronics, so that I can attest to.

    How is electronics at all analogous to this?

  260. @Reg Cæsar

    And “Anglo” isn’t? That doesn’t follow.

    The people in England and America who insist we’re all Anglo-Saxons, like them, are engaging in triumphalism over the other sorts of Britons and Irish. That has nothing whatsoever to do with Latinos in America calling you an Anglo.

    Did your ancestor mumble his or her oath to His or Her Majesty, as well? That’s been an issue with Hibernian immigrants to Canada.

    Are you even Canadian? Do you have any clue what you’re talking about?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Autochthon
  261. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius

    Little Miss Muffett does have swagger. She’s ‘a right nutter’, as they say, and by her own admission ‘a right c***’ as well.

    She is probably the only singer in any genre I have ever heard that could probably go back to multitrack masters of her albums 30+ years ago and punch in new vocals and the difference not be immediately noticeable. Her voice has changed very little and her figure, such as it is, has changed very little too. (A couple of years ago she had a little belly bulge-if she’d been 25 years younger I’d have figured her about four months along-but she has flattened out somewhat now.)

    Her face not so lucky-a half century of not eating dead critters has wrecked her face. She shows her age there.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  262. @El Dato

    And it is found that humanity is actually descended from the inhabitants of the B Ark and not the natives of Earth. The natives started dying out after the Ark crashed.

    Thats really why we’re doomed.

  263. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Autochthon

    Doctors learn to practice medicine in their residencies: med school gives them the mythical well rounded background they will need to succeed at their residencies.

    Pre-med programs and the first two years of med school would do absolutely nothing for such a candidate. Year 3 a little, 4 a little more, but even so a paramedic or hospital corpsman would be of more use.

    There are still a few do-it all, rural practice physicians and surgeons capable of handling everything a small group would need themselves, but specialization and malpractice liability and professional infighting and competition strangling have rendered most American doctors into niche players today.

    • Agree: Autochthon
  264. @Dr. Krieger

    And it is found that humanity is actually descended from the inhabitants of the B Ark and not the natives of Earth. The natives started dying out after the Ark crashed.
    Thats really why we’re doomed.

    Maybe you are doomed. We are not.

  265. @Harry Baldwin

    I can’t watch “The Office” now without thinking how weird it is that Hollywood wants to make an action hero out of the actor who plays Jim, John Krasinski.

    Just watched him this past weekend in ‘The Quiet Place’. Interesting, if flawed, movie, but he was credible in the role of trying-to-be-strong and (very) silent husband and father.

  266. @Tulip

    Ah, Asians get to be the new white Democrats! You get to send us your money, and we get to use your money to discriminate against your kids. . . I thought Asians were supposed to be higher IQ than whites?

    Excellent observation. I’ve got some ABC friends with kids approaching college age. There’s tension building, but it’s hard to say what the long-run effects will be. Chinese culture incorporates a lot of putting up with unjust edicts from the authorities, and looking for workarounds/hacks instead.

  267. @Steve Sailer

    Blacks definitely feel they are the noblest victims of them all.

    Well maybe, but I am confident that the Jews, the gays, the lesbians, the transgendered, the gen transgered, the sheep copulators, the dog ‘lovers’ and the goat-roping-for-pleasure folks beg to differ.

  268. No, we are not doomed. BTW, the Darwininian answer is to keep the following:

    ____a 33 year old female Native American manager who does not speak English
    ____the accountant’s pregnant wife
    ____a 21-year old, female, Muslim international student
    ____a female move star who was recently the victim of a sexual assault

    But Darwin requires you to kill the baby that the accountant’s pregnant wife would have brought to term (cf. what Lions do when they take over a pride). And Darwin insists that you keep all the women in line by force – it is what the animal kingdom does too.

    Problem solved!

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  269. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    New Yorkers used to put their kids in parochial school to avoid this sort of thing, and the instructors majored in actual subjects like math and history. Then the Board of Regents got control of the parochial schools too, mandated Education certification, and now the instructors get that same multi-culti indoctrination and very little grounding in the subjects. Competent teachers are weeded out of the programs unless they can keep their mouths shut long enough to get the certificate.

  270. @Anonymous

    If I had to do over…

    You would not be posting now because you would already have died from syphilis.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  271. @Chief Seattle

    Chief Seattle wrote to me:

    Not sure about the physically dangerous part. Most construction equipment or even power tools could fall into that category. Maybe we just leave it as anything “not prohibited to possess in your home jurisdiction”.

    Yes, that is a better way of putting it.

    Thanks.

  272. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dr. Krieger

    Greetings Ladies and Gentlemen of Earth and all native intelligences
    of the forty planets, satellites, moons, stars,
    and any other inhabited orbs
    with contestants entered in the annual Grande Trex,
    the only inter-galactic race.
    This year’s event promises excitement to surpass all previous races.
    As many of you fans already know the route or track of the orbits, glides, etc.
    has been increased by 5,000 million kilometers
    thus enabling Grande Trex to include the B’Arc GT System,
    in our present event and for all succeeding GT races.

    Dragonfly
    Dragonfly
    Satellite
    Strike and fight

    Laser light shot tonight
    Target nullified
    Gyro subdivide

    Latitude longitude
    Satellite
    Solid substitute

    “Dragonfly”, C.Stein/D. Harry
    From The Hunter , 1982

    I’m guessing Chris read that book.

  273. Charles says:
    @Veracitor

    Thanks for the link – it’s a good short story.

  274. You’ve gotta bring both the Muslim and the Jew, because it would be a real shame if we didn’t take that never-ending blood feud along with us.

    I mean, presuming the trip takes several months, who wants to miss out on listening to them bicker about Palestine in a room you can’t leave?

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  275. Simon says:
    @David JW

    You misunderstood my question. When you corrected Steve, as if he’d made an embarrassing error, you wrote:

    That would be “who to leave behind”. Whom is only used after a preposition (e.g. “to whom”). I refer you to English idiom for proof of this.

    See? You stated it as if it were a rule — but it’s not (except, apparently, in your head), and “whom to leave behind” is perfectly correct, even if it’s not the way most of us might say it in everyday conversation.

    Speaking of rules, I see you prefer not only “English English” but English-style punctuation. Over here, quote marks follow periods and commas. But feel free to issue further corrections.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @David JW
  276. Wilkey says:
    @Corn

    Anyone who knows the bizarre twists the rest of that series took – Apollo leaves the military ad becomes an ACLU lawyer! – knows that is an especially unlikely choice for the writers to have made. The first season or two of the BSG remake were great. By the third season, if not a little sooner, you realized that the writers had no effing idea where they wanted to take the show. And the finale was the ultimate disaster, with ACLU Lawyer Apollo deciding that the best way to save the human race was…to go full hunter-gatherer, with 50% infant mortality rates and all the rest.

  277. Anon[312] • Disclaimer says:

    “What could be more “majority rules”-oriented than a 2.8 million popular vote deficit? (likely to approach 5 million in the 2020 election, though I’m not saying that candidate will lose).”

    Well, the fact that it wasn’t actually a “majority” to start with. There were four candidates in that race, and Hillary didn’t crack 50% of the popular vote. You have been informed of this fact in previous posts, but yet you continue repeating this discredited talking point. Perhaps next time Sailer could repeat the scientific survey which showed radical leftists rejecting facts that disprove their narrative, instead doubling down. Or perhaps the survey that showed democrats having lower IQs on average than republicans; this is a poster who regularly quotes Bill Maher, after all.

    In any case, a large plurality of Hillary’s voters were the descendants of foreign scabs her party has brought in to steal elections in recent decades. Trump won around 60% of the American vote. If China invaded California, they wouldn’t get the vote. Neither should most democrats.

  278. @Cagey Beast

    Are you even Canadian? Do you have any clue what you’re talking about?

    A Canadian magazine aimed at Irish immigrants did a cover story on this phenomenon. I took them at their word, but maybe they were exaggerating.

  279. @El Dato

    The Golgafrinchan Ark Fleet Ship B

    I thought they went with Sun Ra, on the Arkestra.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  280. Anon[247] • Disclaimer says:

    “I can’t watch “The Office” now without thinking how weird it is that Hollywood wants to make an action hero out of the actor who plays Jim, John Krasinski.”

    There’s a dearth of masculinity out there. Clooney, Willis, Stallone, and Arnold are too old and Dewayne Johnson can’t star in every movie. Not everyone in Hollywood is an idiot. They know there is a large receptive male audience out there. But society isn’t making alphas like they used to.

  281. @Simon

    I’m just quoting the title of the diversity exercise: “Whom to Leave Behind.”

  282. Anonymous[278] • Disclaimer says:
    @Redneck farmer

    If you want kuru,or CJD, also called mad cow disease.

  283. @Anon

    John Krasinski recently wrote, directed, and produced a gigantically profitable horror movie, “A Quiet Place,” for his wife, Emily Blunt, and himself to star in. I’m guessing that the franchise will add 9 figures to the Krasinski family net worth.

    Sounds pretty real life alpha to me.

  284. David JW says:
    @Simon

    No, I did not refer to rules in my head. I referred to natural English idiom. There are many supposed rules – often made up by people introducing Latin grammar into English – that are in defiance of the idiom. You can read grammar books that promote sentences like “it is I”, instead of the nearly universal “it’s me”. I refer you to English idiom. You know, get out of your house and SPEAK TO NATIVE SPEAKERS. Books written by Latinisers are full of made-up rules. Another one is “none of us is perfect” – which exhibits the made-up rule that “none of us” is singular. Professors of English in the UK, incl David Crystal, now aver that “none” is plural (=not any, regardless of whether the etymology is from “not one”). “None of us are perfect” is the only correct variant. Of course, you will quote “rules” written by Latinisers. But you cannot compare your rules to the idiom.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  285. @Cagey Beast

    Just so. I too weary of this particular stupidity. Whenever anyone refers to me as an “Anglo,” or “Anglo-Saxon,” or any such I ask him if he realizes calling a Celt an Anglo-Saxon is about like calling a Palestinian, Mohammedan Arab a Jewish Israeli.

    Idiocy.

    Along will come someone to parrot “the tyrannous of small differences yadda yadda….” Aye, understood; I acknowledge at this stage of the game were all – Celtic or Germanic – far more alike than different in America. I am not disputing it. It’s just that in a forum of intelligent people with a significant focus on race and ethnicity one expects people to know what are fairly fundamental concepts and terms. I don’t expect anyone to properly distinguish nuanced differences amongst obscure tribes in Papúa New Guineana, but I should think anyone with a high school diploma knows or should know Celts are not Anglo-Saxons.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  286. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:

    “What will cause it to approach 5 million?”

    Notice how he didn’t stick around to answer that question, as usual. Well, I’ll answer it for him:

    The democrat party and their business allies import up to one million foreigners into our country per year; they have been doing so for decades. Almost all of these people vote democrat. They are trying to steal our country from us and they plan to use the fig leaf of elections to legitimize their theft and coming one-party dictatorship. “Don’t like it? Well, we won the election and majority rules and all. That settles it.” That was, more or less, the thesis of the guy’s argument – that they are about to “win” permanently via election, never mind who voted or under what circumstance.

    Imagine the left stealing away your religious freedom one day or your gun rights or your speech rights (they very nearly did the first under Obama): “well they won the election and all, so I guess it’s okay because muh democracy.”

    To put this into perspective:

    Imagine if the white population of South Africa were extremely socially conservative and numbered around 200 million. Then imagine the republican party immigrating one million of them, mostly white male, into the country every year. A large majority of those people could be expected to vote republican. Well, that would be a good way to permanently overturn all future elections once they got just a few million of them in and voting, wouldn’t it? And since “elections” always supposedly settle things in this stupid system, I guess the other side would just have to accept the outcome as legitimate. Sound familiar? It’s a version of China’s dictatorship but legitimized with sham elections. It’s also the reason why the left doesn’t want our government giving sanctuary to white South Africans…because they don’t want republicans doing to them what they are doing themselves.

    My evolutionary explanation of liberals is that they are akin to psychopaths (cheaters in game theory), just slightly less extreme – entirely focused on one moral principle (liberal) instead of none (psychopaths) or all of them (conservatives). Whereas conservatives evolved to prefer advancing group interests as a means of advancing their own self-interest/reproduction, the radical left and psychopaths are extreme individualists who harm group interests in favor of their own, similar to how a parasite operates. This would explain the results of the study above: liberals consider only their own self-interest as it relates to a single motivating moral principle (see The Righteous Mind) whereas conservatives in the experiment weigh them all simultaneously and attempt to arrive at an equitable solution for all (group interest as a means of self-interest).

  287. Anon[586] • Disclaimer says:

    “Sounds pretty real life alpha to me.”

    More teen boys have heard of John Cena than John Krasinski; how many movies has the former directed? No offense Steve, but your definition of “alpha” sounds more like the kind of definition that might put yourself perilously close to crossing that event horizon of masculinity yourself; you also claimed Zuckerberg to be an alpha, too. Most teenage boys who want to see Hollywood movies equate alpha with big, tall, shooting stuff, fires, wars, being a tough guy, beating people up, etc. Rich dorks and intellectuals don’t qualify. I could never see Krasinski in Predator or Terminator 2 as the lead, and a lot of moviegoers will agree with me. They ain’t gonna be convinced that John Krasinski is an alpha because he made money from a horror film or stole a social networking idea from some college kids.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  288. @Reg Cæsar

    I saw the Sun Ra performing live in Liverpool, England in 1970. Good stuff. I have several albums on my computer, but he is pretty much forgotten in the US.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Reg Cæsar
  289. @Anon

    “A Quiet Place”

    Cost of Production: $17 million (with a fraction of that budget going to Mr. and Mrs. Krasinski)

    Worldwide gross: $332 million

    His sequel has already been assigned a prime release date: May 15, 2020.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Chrisnonymous
  290. @Anon

    “I can’t watch “The Office” now without thinking how weird it is that Hollywood wants to make an action hero out of the actor who plays Jim, John Krasinski.”

    Martin Freeman, who played the equivalent role in the UK version of The Office was subsequently cast by Hollywood as a hobbit. The BBC cast him as Dr. Watson in a Sherlock Holmes TV series.

    Not so alpha, then, though he did make an unlikely showing as an ace pilot in Black Panther.

    Of course, to state the obvious, actors are actors and, like the rest of us, must play roles in the workplace that may or may not reflect our real life personalities.

  291. Anon[247] • Disclaimer says:

    “Anyone who knows the bizarre twists the rest of that series took.”

    I’ve seen a lot of good analyses of what happened with Battlestar Galactica, but I think fundamentally three things happened:

    1. The writers ran out of ideas once the series expanded to ~20 episodes per season.

    2. The writers didn’t think beyond the pilot and first season because they expected the series to be canceled; it was airing on the SyFy channel, after all. This resulted in a dearth of episodes relying on previous world-building (because they didn’t bother to do that) and an excess of character-driven, shock value episodes shoehorned in week-by-week to try and pad the thing out.

    3. Ron Moore isn’t a very good writer – more of an idea man. The same kinds of flaws we see on Deep Space Nine, a show he also wrote for, manifest themselves on BSG: Moore desperately wants to be “deep” and “intellectual.” Thus, all the nonsense with Greek mythology and Christian theology. The same kinds of religious elements that were out of place in Deep Space Nine were also presented in BSG as a vanity of the writer, and he wasn’t able to do it effectively, ruining the show in the process. He also made BSG far too dark in an attempt to be seen as edgy and intellectual. Moore really isn’t either. I once read an interview he gave stating how he listened to Rush Limbaugh to get mad in order to write some of the episodes – not exactly a deep thinker.

    Moore’s idea for a more realistic BSG was very good, he just didn’t have the depth to carry it through. So, they increasingly had to rely on fake mysteries, nonsensical religiosity, endless character drama, sex, shock character deaths, and fake symbolism to carry the series through week-by-week. By the end of the show, I hated all the main characters save Adama and Ty. They were all terrible people ruined by the things the show did to keep going.

    “Apollo leaves the military and becomes an ACLU lawyer!”

    That was a result of Moore destroying the Pegasus Battlestar. He made the same mistake in destroying the Enterprise in Star Trek: Generations. Just as Moore repeated mistakes from DS9, he also repeated a big mistake from the TNG movie in BSG. After the Pegasus was destroyed (purely for shock value), they couldn’t think of what to do with the character, so they had to evolve him in some ridiculous manner to keep him relevant. Same thing happened with the TNG movies. Destroying the iconic Enterprise D and replacing it with a ship no one cares about doomed that series, despite First Contact’s relative success at the box office. Moore just isn’t a good writer; he’s an idea man who relies on shock value to get by. In that respect, he’s like J.J. Abrams. Moore can be good with direction (Berman rejected his idea of destroying the Enterprise at the end of TNG season 7), but he is adrift in a sea of bad ideas when left alone unchecked.

  292. Anon[103] • Disclaimer says:

    “A Quiet Place”

    Doesn’t make the guy a leading man in an action movie. Imagine a cyborg John Krasinski wielding a minigun in an epic shootout with the Los Angeles police before going off to fight the T-1000. Nope. Can’t. Remember back when Schwarzenegger thought he’d take a stab at comedy? Nope. Actors worry about typecast for a reason. Maybe Krasinski’s first step in breaking his Office baggage is his horror movie, but I’m just not sold yet. I wish the guy luck.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  293. Anonymous[332] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Despite some awful Massachusetts-centered democrat activism with the likes of Matt D. And Ben A. (And despite his wife’s rude comments about the Trump movement) John Krasinski seems like a very decent fellow. He had chemistry with his wife in that movie, too, which was very good.

    Happy to see someone like that rise to the top. Also it was pretty bold of him to make 13 Hours (which is a tacit indictment of Hillary) before the election. Kris Paranto advised on set, and he’s very anti-Hillary for obvious reasons. Maybe that, plus having two kids has rubbed off on John in a positive way.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  294. @Steve Sailer

    Sounds pretty real life alpha to me.

    Steve, you’re a great dude, but there is no doubt that there is no action like ’80s action.

    I will be showing ridiculous ’80s action films on my backyard projector setup here in the shithole known as Western NY, you’re welcome to stop by anytime.

    • Replies: @Anon87
  295. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I watched a recent interview with Debbie Harry and she said that Sun Ra was the first concert she ever went to when she moved to New York, around 1963 or 1964. So someone out there remembers.

  296. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    I gave a Japanese university ESL discussion and debate class a similar problem once. (I told them they were on the “Hino-maru,” which I thought was kind of clever since “…maru” is a ship’s name, like “USS…” or “HMS…”, but “Hino-maru” is also the name of their national flag.)

    Should have made it on the Kobayashi Maru. More famous.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  297. @Anonymous

    “Her face not so lucky-a half century of not eating dead critters has wrecked her face. She shows her age there.”

    She’s 65 in that video, if Wiki’s 1951 birth date is correct. Not many women have pretty faces at that age.

  298. @Peter Akuleyev

    ‘…Homosexuals are still men, and given lack of options men will have sex with anything…’

    Isn’t that where the twelve year old Asian boy comes in?

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  299. @Anon

    « A Quiet Place”

    Krasinski is very effective in that movie precisely because he is not an overmuscled 1980s action hero type, he plays a very competent 1950s style white father and husband. The kind of strong silent dad we don’t get anymore. A real man, not a hypersexed alpha in the Chateau mode nor a steroid freak. Secretly that movie is one of the most conservative movies we have seen in years. A rebuke to feminists, leftists and Trumpists.

  300. @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    “But Darwin requires you to kill the baby that the accountant’s pregnant wife would have brought to term (cf. what Lions do when they take over a pride). “

    But we know about the dangers of inbreeding. In the next generation you’ll have half-siblings mating even if you avoid brother-sister incest. Best is four mothers, four fathers and hope the Muslima is Chechen or Syrian.

  301. ok, former english teacher here…WHO is probably the correct form here…I realize that WHOM might seem to be the correct form because that would make WHOM the object in a complete sentence where the subject is implicit and unspoken, e.g., something like “We are to leave behind..whom.” …or something like that…but as someone else pointed out, we have an infinitive here being used as the verb…”behind” modifies that infinitive…

    I think that the complete form of the sentence might be something like “Who is it that we are to leave behind?”
    “Who” is the subject here…and “is it” is a reflexive something or other describing “who”….”that we are to leave behind” is a phrase describing the complete sentence “Who is it.”

    So the root sentence (which is basically implicit and unspoken) is “Who is it?”…that happens to be a complete sentence in which “who” is the subject…and that is a perfectly good sentence…

    so….WHO is indeed the subject of this sentence…and it is a proper subject…and it is not an object of a sentence…so WHOM is not correct..

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  302. Anonymous[268] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I was a Scout many years ago. I remember we had a couple of French kids in our troop who would always begin mumbling and crossing their fingers behind their backs when the oath of loyalty to the queen was recited.

  303. @Chrisnonymous

    Glad for the LOL, Chris, but I’m not sure if you clicked on my link to my movie “review” (spoiler alert – the movie is blurry). Apocalypto had those natives with all of that crap on their faces – I mean the women too. You’d think it was set in 1990′s grunge-era Seattle except without the buildings and grow houses.

    Maybe it was only the men in Apocalypto who were painted blue (the ones that were slated for completely-unnecessary last-minute cardiac surgery). I liked Braveheart, BTW – I’ll have to see that again.

  304. @Peter Akuleyev

    That man knew his tools well, and how to use them. Trumpists likewise.

  305. @Steve Sailer

    It was an awful movie full of untapped potential. I watched it when I was trapped on a trans-Pacific flight. Not knowing this Krasinski fellow, I assumed it was a one-off by some home-schooled religious amateur.

    The “hero” dies in the end to save his kids. Not very alpha.

    The issue with the missing alpha figure in current films is that the rise of MMA and UFC has moved badassery away from that massive bodybuilding image. I also watched Predator on my trans-Pacific flight for the first time in years. Arnold looks kind of silly wielding his M-16 with one hand, as though that demonstrates some prowess.

    The core of alpha-ness is the ability to overcome other men. Business skill can be alpha, but winning the tech industry lotto by happening on a popular product doesn’t really count for much.

  306. @Peter Akuleyev

    One thing I’ve never understood about iSteve is the hate by commenters for hipsters.

    Despite its irony, the hipster movement has an undercurrent of revealed preference that threatens to break out into self-conscious conservatism, social even if not political. (See original hipster Gavin McInnes’ transformation as Exhibit A.)

    Krasinski’s character is arguably our first hipster film hero. His checked shirts and beard declare it, but his tinkering and self-sufficiency are indications too. This is what iSteve commenters miss about hipster stuff like high-end coffee. Getting obsessed by grinding and roasting and exposure times, etc is like working on a car engine for guys who have missed exposure to that from modern life, broken homes, etc

    It’s just too bad A Quiet Place was such a bad movie.

  307. @David JW

    I naturally say, “none of us is…”

    Your made-up rule of following the natural course of speaking is in defiance of a long civilizational tradition of the inter-play of speaking and writing. This goes back to the Greeks in the West, and I suspect speaking and writing influenced each other in the East as well.

    Enforcing rules like “no dangling prepositions” is kind of silly, but having our standards be dictated by the boobs on the boob-tube is a road to decline in our language as well as our thought.

    • Replies: @David JW
  308. EdwardM says:
    @Fred Boynton

    Bad comparison. Colleges’ mission, in theory, is to select students and professors on merit, however they define it. Selling a consumer good/commodity like hockey tickets is a bit different, isn’t it?

    His point was that price (not an essay, identity factors, or anything else man has yet discovered) is the best mechanism to allocate goods to the buyer who values them most. Why shouldn’t the seller capture as much of the surplus as he can? Every retailer charges the price intended to maximize profit, which in the case of hockey tickets is the highest price that will fill the arena.

    Trying to maximize profit from undergraduate tuition isn’t the same.

  309. @Anonymous

    But then they might have changed the rules of the game to be able to save all the passengers.

  310. @Jonathan Mason

    I saw the Sun Ra performing live in Liverpool, England in 1970. Good stuff. I have several albums on my computer, but he is pretty much forgotten in the US.

    Sometimes the Y on the Sun Ray shopping center sign in St Paul would go out, proclaiming “Sun Ra” to drivers on I-94. I imagined his ghost was responsible. But it’s been redesigned, and the effect is lessened now. Here’s the old one:

    Sun Ray Shopping Center Sign

  311. @Anonymous

    “13 Hours” was way harder on the CIA guy in charge than anyone else. The State Department was alluded to a few times, IIRC, but Hillary wasn’t mentioned. I had a “what’s the point?” feeling at the end.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  312. @Harry Baldwin

    Given the behavior of the CIA since, I think the point is crystal clear.

  313. Pat Boyle says:
    @indocon

    This has been done on TV in a big budget HBO movie. There were a few differences but the premise was similar. The show was “Space Traders” from a story by Derrick Bell. It starred Robert Guillaume of “Soap” fame.

    The TV movie had aliens land from otter space and offer to give us a wealth, high technology and a cure for cancer and in return only wanted all the black people. Most of the film was about everyone agonizing if we should give up the blacks or not. At one point Guillaume tries to list all the accomplishments that we would lose if we were to let the aliens have our Negroes. He can only think of two – basketball and jazz.

    Bell of course was an Obama intimate. It’s never quite defined why the aliens want the blacks but at the end they get them. I suppose that provides a happy ending.

  314. @Chrisnonymous

    I’d never thought to look at Hipsters that way before. Interesting insight.

  315. @propagandist hacker

    ok, former english teacher here…WHO is probably the correct form here…

    Part of the hilarity of this exercise is the SJW author thereof trying to appear erudite, and falling on her face.

  316. David JW says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    Speaking and writing influence each other. That includes where artificial rules are imposed in writing and then adopted in speech. If you look at English in the Middle Ages, there was no rule against “double negatives”. I refer you to French, Spanish, Italian, Russian, etc, for evidence that nearly all European languages have a double negative (no veo a nadie). But the “rule” was introduced by Bishop Robert Louth in the 1760s and has been adopted in the natural speech of many English people, including me. Of course, many people still say the originally correct “I don’t know nothing”.

    However, there are instances where attempts to create new rules have not worked. “It is I” is one. “It is I who am here”=”It’s me who is here” in natural English (and I refer you to Irish Gaelic for a similar construction, which reinforces my idea that immigration from Ireland may have a role here, one-quarter of English people being of Irish descent; the Irish here would be “is mise atá anso”, not “is mise atáim anso”, using the third-person verb in dialects that have synthetic verb conjugations). The “none of us is perfect” thing is an example where there is often a dichotomy between speech and writing: this sentence is frequently found in writing, but rarely in speech in England (and it’s OUR language, so don’t start telling me about idiom in North America).

    “The government ARE doing this”. “A series of measures ARE being drawn up”. Such sentences are normal and correct in the UK. I refer you to the use of plural pronouns to refer to singular collectives in Irish Gaelic (sin iad an pobal). Even Americans say “a lot of people ARE in the room”, not “a lot of people IS”, although “lot” is a singular noun. The placement of “only” is worth nothing: “I only have one dollar in my pocket” is natural English, not “I have ONLY ONE dollar”. The rule against splitting infinitives was also incorrectly borrowed from Latin, and produces highly unnatural sentences in those who use the rule. There is also a site by a retired Professor Brains in NY who claims it is wrong to use sequence of tenses (“he said he WAS English”), but that is normal in England, and most Western European languages (but not Eastern languages like Russian) have the sequence of tenses.

    It’s all about having a feel for the language. Those who proclaim they know the rules often have a tin ear for English.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Chrisnonymous
  317. @MikeatMikedotMike

    I’ve taken the job, and I have no intention of spoiling the proprietor’s little secret.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  318. Silva says:
    @Anon7

    I count 2 Slavs (entire names (pre-marriage) Slavic), 1 Hispanic (entire pre-marriage name Hispanic), and 1 black who cared enough about blackness to change family name to “X”. Pretty damn diverse for the time.

  319. Thales says:

    Can we leave behind more than four?

  320. Anon[183] • Disclaimer says:

    “I also watched Predator on my trans-Pacific flight for the first time in years. Arnold looks kind of silly wielding his M-16 with one hand, as though that demonstrates some prowess…The core of alpha-ness is the ability to overcome other men.”

    Arnold faces down and defeats a 7 foot 8 inch unstoppable, nearly invisible, alien killing machine in that movie. What could be more alpha than that? Predator itself is one the iconic 80s macho movies.

    “Arnold looks kind of silly wielding his M-16 with one hand, as though that demonstrates some prowess”

    You’ve must have watched a different movie because he doesn’t do that in Predator. He wields his weapon with both hands in every scene in which he fires the weapon.

  321. Anon[183] • Disclaimer says:

    “Krasinski is very effective in that movie precisely because he is not an overmuscled 1980s action hero type”

    Thanks for totally missing the point. The point was about ACTION MOVIES, not HORROR MOVIES. Krasinski works in “A Quiet Place” precisely because it isn’t an action movie, which he couldn’t carry on his own.

    “he plays a very competent 1950s style white father and husband. The kind of strong silent dad we don’t get anymore.”

    Yeah. Imagine the “Leave it To Beaver” father in Predator or Terminator. Oh, wait…audiences can’t. That was the actual point of the post.

    “A real man”

    Don’t tell me what a real man is.

    “Secretly that movie is one of the most conservative movies we have seen in years. A rebuke to feminists, leftists and Trumpists.?”

    Sure.

  322. Anon[183] • Disclaimer says:

    “The kind of strong silent dad we don’t get anymore. A real man, not a hypersexed alpha in the Chateau mode nor a steroid freak.”

    Audiences don’t usually cheer for the stay-at-home dad type in blockbuster action movies.

  323. padrelar says:

    Given that 8 is far to small a number to perpetuate the species, who cares? Why even get on the ship?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    , @anon
  324. Anon87 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Is Bill Gates an “alpha”? If the criteria is make a lot of money and have kids, I guess so. But then who is more alpha, Gates or Trump?

    And let’s be honest, Office Jim is no Action Alpha. Stop trying Hollywood. His agent is doing a great job for him though.

  325. Anon87 says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    What titles have you curated?

    It’s not 80s, but I’m guessing you have or will project The Wild Geese??

  326. @Chrisnonymous

    Good observation. There’s a whole world of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance/Shop Class as Soulcraft/craft-beer-and-artisan-breads searching for true conservatism out there.

    This impulse shows up in Christian churches as well, with the neo-Reformed crowd, the back-to-the-ancient-liturgies movements, and so on.

    So far, though, it seems many of those who test these deep waters still want to be restrained by the broader banks of safe, establishment-approved political liberalism. But that could change.

  327. @padrelar

    The obvious answer is that everyone more worthwhile is already off the doomed Earth, and they’re scraping the bottom of the barrel.

  328. Hail says: • Website
    @Cortes

    I am a little confused by that account.

    Here is a more coherent and brief summary:

    The U.S.S. William Brown hit an iceberg in the frigid waters of the north Atlantic [in 1841]. Survivors, including crewmember Alexander William Holmes, who believed the lifeboat was overloaded and destined to sink in the choppy waters, proposed the idea that a few of the survivors sacrifice their lives in order for a few to live, rather than all onboard perish.

    Crewmember Holmes, who survived, was later tried in Philadelphia in a case known as United States v. Holmes. The original charge of murder was quickly reduced to manslaughter. He finally served six months in prison and paid a $20 fine [$500 in today's money].

    Fates of the crew, death rates:

    18 male crew members (captain plus 17 seamen) – all survived
    64 living passengers on board the day the storm hit; of whom 47 died
    - 31 passengers went down with the ship (died)
    - 16 passengers end up outside the lifeboat and drowning; 14 male passengers ejected and 2 women jumped after their brother who was among the ejected; all lost
    - 17 passengers survived, of which 14 were women, two were married men, and one a boy

    Of the passengers who made it to the lifeboat:
    - 0 of 18 crew died [0%]: all made it to the lifeboats and none were thrown overboard
    - 14 of the 16 adult males died [88%]: thrown overboard for certain death
    - 2 of the 16 females died [12.5%]: none thrown overboard, but two “voluntarily followed their brother” who had been thrown overboard

  329. Hail says: • Website
    @AndrewR

    It appears that Mollie Tibbets herself had substantial East Asian ancestry, likely 1/4.

  330. Hail says: • Website
    @Harry Baldwin

    in keeping with our immigration policies, the correct answer would be “Everyone is welcome in our lifeboat! Please climb in! Diversity is our greatest strength! As long as it has maximum diversity, our lifeboat cannot sink!”

    This was literally the storyline of the Obama-era hit disaster movie “2012” (released in Nov. 2009).

    A world-ending disaster is incoming. Governments learn about it but keep quiet. Nothing can be done; Earth civilization is to be wiped out, Noah’s-Ark-like. Governments select a fixed number of people, for their fitness, to carry on civilization. They quietly build giant escape-ships which are designed to hold precisely the number of people chosen.

    At the last minute, a team of PC agitators takes over and demands that the escape-ships let in everyone (which, even in the movie’s own premise, could well overwhelm the ships and potentially end human life, there and then). What happens? Yes, of course, the PC agitators get their way: the gates are opened (of course!). Merkel-like waves of Third Worlders flood into the escape-ships. The audience is supposed to feel good.

    2012” was probably even more notable for its pathetic “Africa is the only hope of Humanity,” Black Moral-Supremacism-by-metaphor ending:

    PROF. WEST
    The water is receding much faster than
    we projected, Adrian…

    A monitor reveals an image of the African continent, however
    its shape changed dramatically. The image of the southern tip
    is enlarged.

    LAURA
    What’s that?

    PROF. WEST
    It’s hard to believe, but the Himalayas
    are no longer the roof of the world.
    It’s now the Drakensberg mountains of
    Kwa-Zulu Natal. The whole African
    continent has risen several thousand
    feet and most likely, never even
    flooded.

    CAPTAIN MICHAELS
    Our European colleagues have already
    set course for it.

    Below is the part of the 2012 script dealing with the opening the gates and letting “everyone” board the escape-ships. The ‘bad guy’ in the movie, besdies the disaster itself, is a White American with a German surname, Chief of Staff to the U.S. President. When the agitators demand “everyone” bet let in, our antagonist says, “None of our ships have the resources to feed those people. If you save them today we all starve tomorrow.” Of course loses the argument.

    [MORE]

    ADRIAN (O.S.)
    I know we’ve all been involved in
    making difficult decisions… to save
    our human civilization…

    INT. BRIDGE/AMERICAN SHIP – DAY

    Anheuser looks on stoney faced.

    ADRIAN
    … But to be human means to care for
    each other, and civilization means to
    work together to create a better life.
    If that’s true there is nothing human
    and nothing civilized about what we’re
    doing here. Ask yourselves … Can we
    really stand by and let all those
    people out there die?

    Laura watches him proudly.

    ADRIAN (CONT’D)
    A civilization that allows that, does
    not deserve to survive.
    (PAUSE)
    Or at least I don’t want to be part of
    it.

    Anheuser cuts in with sarcasm.

    ANHEUSER
    We’ll miss you Helmsley but somehow
    we’ll get by. Officer switch that off.

    The Communications Officer looks at Adrian.

    ANHEUSER (CONT’D)
    That’s an order soldier.

    ADRIAN
    Don’t do it!

    INT. BRIDGE/ASIAN SHIP – DAY

    The Russian President, together with the heads of state from
    China and Japan, listen in as Adrian responds.

    ADRIAN (O.S.)
    We have to open our gates and let these
    people in. All of them.

    INT. BRIDGE/AMERICAN SHIP – DAY

    Anheuser has had enough.

    ANHEUSER
    Have you lost your mind? Look at the
    countdown. We have less than five
    minutes left… And none of our ships
    have the resources to feed those
    people. If you save them today we all
    starve tomorrow.

    He’s almost screaming now.

    ANHEUSER (CONT’D)
    Do you wanna be responsible for the
    extinction of the human race? Can you
    handle that, Adrian?!

    Silence.

    Adrian’s battle seems lost. But he doesn’t give up, and
    instead speaks softly now.

    ADRIAN
    There is a young astrophysicist from
    India who is the reason we are all
    here, trying to give mankind a second
    chance. He’s the one who discovered it
    all, the one who connected the dots. We
    all owe him our lives.

    All eyes are glued to Adrian.

    ADRIAN (CONT’D)
    I just learned that he was killed with
    his family by a tsunami in eastern
    India. You know why?

    Adrian stares Anheuser in the eyes as he continues.

    ADRIAN (CONT’D)
    He died because we forgot to pick him
    up.
    (PAUSE)
    I beg you… whatever our future holds
    don’t let us start it with an act of
    cruelty. What will you tell your
    children… and their children?

    Silence. Laura steps up alongside Adrian.

    LAURA
    If my father were here, he would open
    the gates.

    Adrian and Laura share a look.

    RUSSIAN PRESIDENT (O.S.)
    The people of Russia along with…

    INT. BRIDGE/ASIAN SHIP – DAY

    His Asian colleagues nod in approval.

    RUSSIAN PRESIDENT
    … China and Japan agree to open the
    gates.

    INT. BRIDGE/EUROPEAN SHIP – DAY

    The German Chancellor speaks up.

    GERMAN CHANCELLOR
    The United Kingdom, Spain, France and
    Germany, and I believe I can also speak
    for the Italian Prime Minister…

    INT. BRIDGE/AMERICAN SHIP – DAY

    GERMAN CHANCELLOR (O.S.)
    … We vote to open the gates.

    Laura and Adrian watch Anheuser shaking his head in defeat.
    Bobby, the Communications Officer smiles with relief. Adrian
    turns to the Captain.

    ADRIAN
    Captain Michaels, you heard them.

    EXT. LAUNCH SITE/CHO MING VALLEY – DAY

    One by one the gigantic gates at the stern of the three ships
    begin to creek open.

    The masses gathered on the platform CHEER wildly!

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  331. Dave says:

    Can we take less than eight? I’d choose the racist policeman, the hispanic clergyman, the accountant’s pregnant wife, the #metoo actress, and the 21 year old female muslim. That’s enough to repopulate. The 33 year old female Native American would be provisional on a fertility test. (What native American doesn’t speak English, by the way?) 12 year old asian boy contingent on IQ/knowing which kind of asian.

    What do you want to bet the whole point of the exercise is for the teacher to lead the students to an approved answer, one with no resemblance to the above?

  332. Anonymous[268] • Disclaimer says:
    @David JW

    With billions of people speaking English, most as a second or third language, maintaining standards is pretty hopeless. We should be content that sentences be clear with unambigious meanings. “I don’t know nothing” is clumsy but clear. Even bad spelling is tolerable so long as it doesn’t introduce confusion. (Who cares if the correct spelling is batalion, batallion or battalion?)

  333. David JW says:

    Anon wrote

    “I don’t know nothing” is clumsy but clear.

    But the point here is that there is nothing clumsy about it. It was standard English until in the 18th century an English bishop wrote a book claiming that “two negatives make a positive” and so this was wrong. Logic has nothing to do with idiom (compare the French quand j’arriverai with the English “when I arrive”; we don’t have the logical future in English). Are “no veo a nadie” in Spanish or “je n’ai rien” in French or никого не вижу in Russian clumsy? Obviously, the “rule” against the double negative – originally introduced by someone with no understanding of linguistics – caught on, however erroneous it was. Other similar made-up rules like “it is I” never really caught on.

  334. @David JW

    I have only one reply, as I might naturally say… You are hopeless. Your example of the double negative is a clear instance of an imported “rule” that has improved our spoken language, but you defend the worse construction based on commonality. Your claim to be in favor of the sound more delightful is a clear case of inversion. Your ear is tin, sir, if, by tin, you mean that which perceives as lovable what is, in fact, droll and base.

    In my defense, I will not refer you to the American idiom, but instead point out that, by social and political indicators, England is no longer a land to be held in high regard.

  335. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @padrelar

    Who/Whom, matey

    Given that 8 is far to small a number to perpetuate the species, who cares? Why even get on the ship?

    “You’re gonna need a bigger ark.”

  336. @Hail

    Thank you. So glad I never saw this film.

  337. @Stan Adams

    Oh no that’s me paraphrasing it – :) Someone said it before and it was a regular here..

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
  338. @ACommenter

    Steve said it once:

    https://isteve.blogspot.com/2009/10/nobel-participation-prize.html

    Isn’t Obama’s Nobel Participation Prize a synecdoche of Obama’s whole life, which has largely consisted of him getting handed goodies by white people just for showing up, just for being the SWPL black man raised by whites thousands of miles from any black community whom whites have been dreaming about since the first Sidney Poitier movie?

    And he linked to a David Broder piece that made the same point (but not in so many words):

    https://isteve.blogspot.com/2007/11/shelby-steeles-book-on-barack-obama.html

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/23/AR2007112301250_pf.html

    Steele likens Obama’s success to the fame and fortune won by Oprah Winfrey, Bill Cosby, Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods. But the earliest of the crossover heroes he calls “iconic Negroes” was Sidney Poitier.

    And it reminded me that in his political biography of Obama, author David Mendell reported the reaction of a focus group of liberal, middle-aged and elderly North Shore (Chicago area) female voters, when shown a videotape of Obama speaking in his 2004 Senate campaign. Asked whom Obama reminded them of, the answer was “Sidney Poitier.” No wonder Hillary Clinton’s pollster, Mark Penn, is worried by The Post’s report that Obama has tied Clinton among female voters in Iowa.

    But while all of the others mentioned by Steele were entertainers of one kind or another, Obama is the first to carry the “masking” technique of the “iconic Negro” into the realm of politics.

  339. Anonymous[527] • Disclaimer says:

    Dejavu for me. I remember in the 00’s in a psych class, a diversity apparatchik at the university came in and broke us up into small groups and gave us a similar exercise, choosing who to give a transplant to out of a list of an older white guy who was a wealthy businessman, a black guy who had a young son and was a bus company worker, an Asian teenager who had AIDS, a young white woman with a history of drug abuse etc. Basically seemed like it was supposed to steer you to choose the black guy. And several people already voiced proudly how they choose the black guy. But I trolled the situation (by this point I was already awake as there was plenty of discrimination at the university against whites esp white men) and said the older guy was the only one who could afford it and the rest would burden society with the costs. It quickly broke down within my group along identity lines with some women saying the woman, an Asian woman saying we should consider the teen as he hasn’t had a chance to live yet, etc. Screw the foolish liberal games troll them at every opportunity.

  340. Vinnie O says:

    Lo! these many years ago, back in the 60s, man, we had a very similar homework assignment in a high school English class. But there was no attempt at getting any consensus across the class. As with the newer one, the premise was stupid (WW3 had just started, and there were limited supplies in your Bomb Shelter), and there was nothing much to LEARN from the exercise. Of course, back then the Liberals couldn’t simply dictate Morality in public.

    I would bet that the original situation was a Lifeboat, and there is in fact a rather famous B&W movie with that title.

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