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Here’s a story that has been kicking around on the Republican rightsphere for awhile, but has now made the leap to the New York Times as Adam Nagourney figures out how to spin it properly:

In U.C.L.A. Debate Over Jewish Student, Echoes on Campus of Old Biases

By ADAM NAGOURNEY MARCH 5, 2015

“Old biases …” UCLA of course is a notorious redoubt of racoon coat-wearing, Stutz Bearcat-driving WASPs, so their legacy of hate apparently lives on.

LOS ANGELES — It seemed like routine business for the student council at the University of California, Los Angeles: confirming the nomination of Rachel Beyda, a second-year economics major who wants to be a lawyer someday, to the council’s Judicial Board.

Until it came time for questions.

“Given that you are a Jewish student and very active in the Jewish community,” Fabienne Roth, a member of the Undergraduate Students Association Council, began, looking at Ms. Beyda at the other end of the room, “how do you see yourself being able to maintain an unbiased view?”

For the next 40 minutes, after Ms. Beyda was dispatched from the room, the council tangled in a debate about whether her faith and affiliation with Jewish organizations, including her sorority and Hillel, a popular student group, meant she would be biased in dealing with sensitive governance questions that come before the board, which is the campus equivalent of the Supreme Court.

UCLA students on their way to class

My impression of UCLA student politics when I was there in 1980-82 was that it was basically ethnic politics with training wheels. An Asian named Sam Law was elected student body president, running largely, as I recall, on a platform of being Asian. I mean, what else is there to run on in student council elections?

As far as I can tell, it was always like that. (Keep in mind that UCLA is one of the youngest famous universities in the world, barely existing before the late 1920s and not being officially granted equal status with Berkeley until the 1950s. But its tremendous location next to America’s richest neighborhood in 1960, Beverly Hills, gave it huge advantages not possessed by similar late-comers.)

About 1960, Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Beverly Hills for 40 years) and Rep. Howard Berman (D-Burbank for 30 years) met up at the UCLA Young Democrats, formed a lifelong alliance, and got 70 years in Congress between them.

But Berman should have gotten reapportioned out in 2002 in favor of a Mexican, but his brother prodigiously gerrymandered the entire state of California to preserve Howard’s seat. He finally got pushed out by reapportionment in 2012, which created a safe Mexican seat in the Valley, pitting Berman, the ranking Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee v. retail politician extraordinaire Brad Sherman in a battle of two Jewish incumbents for career survival, which Berman lost.

Waxman held on to retire in January, but he was replaced by a Chinese guy. So, since 2012, the Greater Hollywood Hills have gone from being represented by four Jewish Democratic Congressmen down to two (Sherman and Adam Schiff).

So you can see that this Diversity Trend can be worrying, especially at UCLA.

Westwood

The discussion, recorded in written minutes and captured on video, seemed to echo the kind of questions, prejudices and tropes — particularly about divided loyalties — that have plagued Jews across the globe for centuries, students and Jewish leaders said.

The council, in a meeting that took place on Feb. 10, voted first to reject Ms. Beyda’s nomination, with four members against her. Then, at the prodding of a faculty adviser there who pointed out that belonging to Jewish organizations was not a conflict of interest, the students revisited the question and unanimously put her on the board.

Haven Monahan

So this Jewish activist had her approval delayed by other ethnic and ideological activists for 40 minutes, and the other activists have been apologizing ever since … not exactly the Dreyfus Affair.

But in the weeks since, that uncomfortable debate has upended this campus of 29,600 students that has long been central to the identity of Los Angeles. It has set off an anguished discussion of how Jews are treated, particularly in comparison with other groups that are more typically viewed as victims of discrimination, such as African-Americans and gays and lesbians.

Like I’ve been saying …

So, should Jews try to tone down black and gay victimist triumphalism, or try to top it by emphasizing their victimization?

Part of the ongoing liberal crack-up unleashed by the Democratic re-election campaign in 2012 and exposed by the Democratic defeat in 2014 is the increasing anxiety felt by the single most important swing group in the country: ethnocentric liberal Jews.

UCLA student and his caddy

… The president of the student council, Avinoam Baral, who had nominated Ms. Beyda, appeared stunned at the turn the questioning took at the session and sought at first to rule Ms. Roth’s question out of order. “I don’t feel that’s an appropriate question,” he said.

In an interview, Mr. Baral, who is Jewish, said he “related personally to what Rachel was going through.”

“It’s very problematic to me that students would feel that it was appropriate to ask that kind of questions, especially given the long cultural history of Jews,” he said. “We’ve been questioned all of our history: Are Jews loyal citizens? Don’t they have divided loyalties? All of these anti-Semitic tropes.”

We hear a lot about swing voters, but it’s usually an overblown concept. Some Jews aren’t going to swing: Noam Chomsky won’t. But Jews with a healthy, natural regard for their ethnic group can and have swung before and may do it again as they sense that the winds blowing on the Left are not good for the Jews. Obviously, the number of votes is unimportant, but not money, media influence, and general argumentative intensity.

On the other hand, it’s not hard for Jews to get other Jews worked up into “anguished discussions” over how great-grandma couldn’t get into the snippy WASP sorority and great-grandpa couldn’t get into the Los Angeles Country Club, and the real enemy is, as always, Haven Monahan.

UCLA student council leaders plotting behind closed doors

 
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  1. Are we really supposed to assume that the “anti-Semitic” questioner, Fabienne Roth, is a German-American Lutheran?!?

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    • Replies: @D. K.
    Well, not quite a German-American Lutheran:

    http://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Budget-standoff-leaves-UC-applications-in-limbo-6110312.php

    It appears that, as an obvious neo-Nazi, Fraulein Roth has been forced-- or, at least, found it prudent-- to discontinue her social-media presence:

    https://twitter.com/Fabienne_Roth
    , @LMH
    Roth is Swiss, and not Jewish.

    The other questioners were Iranian, Mexican/Pakistani, and Sikh.
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  2. @D. K.
    Are we really supposed to assume that the "anti-Semitic" questioner, Fabienne Roth, is a German-American Lutheran?!?

    Well, not quite a German-American Lutheran:

    http://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Budget-standoff-leaves-UC-applications-in-limbo-6110312.php

    It appears that, as an obvious neo-Nazi, Fraulein Roth has been forced– or, at least, found it prudent– to discontinue her social-media presence:

    https://twitter.com/Fabienne_Roth

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    • Replies: @george
    According to its website the UCLA student judiciary has cases like, Students for Justice in Palestine v. Sunny Singh & Lauren Rogers - Apparently conflict of interest due to being given free trip to Israel.

    https://www.usac.ucla.edu/jboard/prevcases.php


    Exchange between Elyssa Schlossberg and Fab (Fabienne Roth?):

    Summary: micro-aggressions -> -> -> -> death camps

    https://www.usac.ucla.edu/documents/minutes/Minutes%2002%2017%2015.pdf

    Elyssa Schlossberg
    It is micro-aggressions such as these that show why you need to educate yourself on what
    anti-Semitism is. I hope that by now you know, that the logic regarding Jews and their
    divided loyalties mirrors the same ideologies used in Nazi Germany to deny Jews
    government jobs. It also mimics the concepts found in the Protocols of the Elders of
    Zion, a hoax book published about the Jewish desire to control the world. This book was
    studied literally by Adolf Hitler and used as justification for the Holocaust. Although we
    would never suggest that your statements are on par with these notorious anti-semites, we
    want to be clear that it is a slippery slope and remaining unaware of the impact of your
    words on the Jewish community can only cause more harm.

    Fab, the sorry excuse for an attempt at clarifying your position that you posted on
    Facebook only further showed your complete ignorance of and disregard for why the
    comments you made last week were discriminatory and hurtful. You seemed to do a fine
    job of explaining that discriminating against someone for being Jewish is anti-Semitic,
    but refused to acknowledge that your words were themselves anti-Semitic. You, as well
    as the other originally dissenting council members, need to be accountable and recognize
    that the things YOU said, and the reasoning BEHIND what you said, WERE antiSemitic.
    To view a student’s Jewish identity and affiliation with her personal community
    as, to quote your post, “involvements with a particular political party” and for you to
    decide that, to further quote your post, a “candidate’s personal affiliations could be seen
    as a conflict of interest” is for you to overtly discriminate against a Jewish student
    ecause you didn’t trust that, as a Jew, she could properly fulfill her duties as a justice
    without bringing in bias. That is anti-Semitic.

    Minutes archive:
    https://www.usac.ucla.edu/documents/minutes.php

    BTW, What a good looking bunch or students.

    , @ben tillman

    It appears that, as an obvious neo-Nazi, Fraulein Roth has been forced– or, at least, found it prudent– to discontinue her social-media presence:

    https://twitter.com/Fabienne_Roth
     
    Obvious neo-Nazi?

    Nothing in Steve's post makes that "obvious".
  3. Not too many years ago there was talk of ‘compassion fatigue’ — I’m hoping that concept somehow makes a comeback.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius

    Not too many years ago there was talk of ‘compassion fatigue’ — I’m hoping that concept somehow makes a comeback.
     
    The victimization Olympics were never about compassion in the first place. It's about distinguishing oneself from the unwashed masses. The only way out is making wallowing in one's victimization passe. This appears to be Steve's strategy.
  4. You can hope.

    Whatever happens, I’m not giving up the country ham.

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  5. I’ve been doing some genealogical work recently and believe it or not, I have relatives with the given name Haven!

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  6. Asking whether a jew might favor other jews = anti-semetic nazi hitler
    assuming a white goy will discriminate against nonwhites and/or jews = normal and good

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  7. Haven Monahan is no WASP. The Monahans are Papists.

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    • Replies: @Jeff W.
    Haven Monahan is one of those hyphenated Americans that Teddy Roosevelt used to rail against. He is a Fictitious-American.

    Fictitious-Americans are a bad lot: they do no work, they pay no taxes, they will not help you out in any kind of an emergency. A bunch of zeroes is my opinion of them, nullities.
  8. Funny, this was the only Roth I’d previously heard of – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Roth – but per the NYT this Roth must be some kind of Jew-hating Swiss Nazi? Or maybe she just wasn’t quite up on American Political Correctness? I’ve had Germans say to me some things that sound rather odd to Anglo ears, steeped as we are in cradle-to-grave Sensitivity Training.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Roth is Swiss-German and an international student from Switzerland.

    I doubt she thought she was being politically incorrect or uncouth. Germans tend to be very blunt and matter of fact when speaking compared to Americans and Anglophones.

    Most American students, of whatever background, in that sort of environment would hesitate to be so direct because it sounds rude to American ears.
    , @Jack D
    Yes, I think that the fact that Ms. Roth apparently did not grow up in the US has something to do with it. The whole dual-loyalty canard was pretty much put to bed in the US by the early 1960s at the latest, along with the idea that Catholics are loyal to the Pope. Personally I was shocked that she brought this up, especially at a public university which has an obligation to be non-sectarian. Let's try changing her statement a bit and see if it passes muster:

    “Given that you are a Christian student and very active in the Christian community,” Fabienne Roth, a member of the Undergraduate Students Association Council, began, looking at Ms. Beyda at the other end of the room, “how do you see yourself being able to maintain an unbiased view?”

    For the next 40 minutes, after Ms. Beyda was dispatched from the room, the council tangled in a debate about whether her faith and affiliation with Christian organizations, including her sorority and the Newman Society, a popular student group, meant she would be biased in dealing with sensitive governance questions that come before the board, which is the campus equivalent of the Supreme Court.

    Nope.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    There are plenty of ethnic Germans with Germanic names, believe it or not. I have a German-American friend who even has a biblical first name. In New York, you'd assume someone with his first and last name would be Jewish, and you'd be right >90% of the time.
  9. I’m kind of curious as to the ethnic makeup of that particular council.

    I’d also be a bit curious about Ms. Fabienne Roth’s ethnicity. That photo someone found says she was “originally from Switzerland,” but that last name…

    For a second I was thinking the first name was “Fabian,” and I was thinking we had the hibernian Haven Monahan. But then the spelling and the Roth kicked in, and I was wroth.

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  10. It’s difficult to undertake valid surveys of the Jewish population because they’re so few in number and the statistics have large confidence intervals. Nevertheless, IIRC, polled Jewish support for Republican presidential candidates in the last 40-odd years has varied between about 19% and 40%. At one time, over 20% of the general electorate really had no stable preferences, so the range of responses is not abnormal. Jews are not swing voters, by and large.

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  11. @eah
    Not too many years ago there was talk of 'compassion fatigue' -- I'm hoping that concept somehow makes a comeback.

    Not too many years ago there was talk of ‘compassion fatigue’ — I’m hoping that concept somehow makes a comeback.

    The victimization Olympics were never about compassion in the first place. It’s about distinguishing oneself from the unwashed masses. The only way out is making wallowing in one’s victimization passe. This appears to be Steve’s strategy.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The concept of being comfortable discussing how much of a victim one is is completely foreign to me. I guess I was raised with the old American "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" mentality (which the media and the field of psychology have discredited, I suppose to make people comfortable basking in their victimhood) and to not to whine or make excuses for myself. This is completely opposite from the mindset that seems to be the winning one for groups and individuals these days. However, I don't see how it can be good for the well-being of the country.
  12. @D. K.
    Are we really supposed to assume that the "anti-Semitic" questioner, Fabienne Roth, is a German-American Lutheran?!?

    Roth is Swiss, and not Jewish.

    The other questioners were Iranian, Mexican/Pakistani, and Sikh.

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  13. Someone should try to get a write-in campaign going for Haven Monahan for student council president at UVA.

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  14. @D. K.
    Well, not quite a German-American Lutheran:

    http://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Budget-standoff-leaves-UC-applications-in-limbo-6110312.php

    It appears that, as an obvious neo-Nazi, Fraulein Roth has been forced-- or, at least, found it prudent-- to discontinue her social-media presence:

    https://twitter.com/Fabienne_Roth

    According to its website the UCLA student judiciary has cases like, Students for Justice in Palestine v. Sunny Singh & Lauren Rogers – Apparently conflict of interest due to being given free trip to Israel.

    https://www.usac.ucla.edu/jboard/prevcases.php

    Exchange between Elyssa Schlossberg and Fab (Fabienne Roth?):

    Summary: micro-aggressions -> -> -> -> death camps

    https://www.usac.ucla.edu/documents/minutes/Minutes%2002%2017%2015.pdf

    Elyssa Schlossberg
    It is micro-aggressions such as these that show why you need to educate yourself on what
    anti-Semitism is. I hope that by now you know, that the logic regarding Jews and their
    divided loyalties mirrors the same ideologies used in Nazi Germany to deny Jews
    government jobs. It also mimics the concepts found in the Protocols of the Elders of
    Zion, a hoax book published about the Jewish desire to control the world. This book was
    studied literally by Adolf Hitler and used as justification for the Holocaust. Although we
    would never suggest that your statements are on par with these notorious anti-semites, we
    want to be clear that it is a slippery slope and remaining unaware of the impact of your
    words on the Jewish community can only cause more harm.

    Fab, the sorry excuse for an attempt at clarifying your position that you posted on
    Facebook only further showed your complete ignorance of and disregard for why the
    comments you made last week were discriminatory and hurtful. You seemed to do a fine
    job of explaining that discriminating against someone for being Jewish is anti-Semitic,
    but refused to acknowledge that your words were themselves anti-Semitic. You, as well
    as the other originally dissenting council members, need to be accountable and recognize
    that the things YOU said, and the reasoning BEHIND what you said, WERE antiSemitic.
    To view a student’s Jewish identity and affiliation with her personal community
    as, to quote your post, “involvements with a particular political party” and for you to
    decide that, to further quote your post, a “candidate’s personal affiliations could be seen
    as a conflict of interest” is for you to overtly discriminate against a Jewish student
    ecause you didn’t trust that, as a Jew, she could properly fulfill her duties as a justice
    without bringing in bias. That is anti-Semitic.

    Minutes archive:

    https://www.usac.ucla.edu/documents/minutes.php

    BTW, What a good looking bunch or students.

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  15. To NYT’s marginal credit, I actually did not see Haven Monaghan make an appearance in this article. True, they could have given a more frank and detailed look at the drivers and proponents of today’s antisemitism, but calling antisemitism an “old bias” is hardly inaccurate. Part of what makes this incident surreal is that it echoes some horrific, not-so-distant history. You would think that a leftist academic environment normally obsessed with trappings and “triggers” of historical oppression would shy away from interrogating Jews about their Jewishness, lest those crafty Jews get into positions of power — after all, we agonize daily over the most oblique reminders of slavery, and that ended 200 years ago. The Holocaust was less than 100 years ago. That nobody saw anything wrong with this, despite the historical associations, is what makes the episode surreal and noteworthy IMO.

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  16. Fabienne Roth appears to be Swiss German, and my experience is that while German speakers will always mouth the platitudes you want to hear about the Nazis and WW2 guilt in general they harbor attitudes particularly towards Jews that will seem quaint or retrograde to most Americans.

    On the other hand, while doubtless many Jews are (still) SJW, most of the Jewish people I actually know nowadays are extremely conservative, their identity as Jews very much tied up with supporting Israel, and they tend to derogate Obama, Muslims, blacks, and progressives generally, even to the point of sending out emails talking about getting welfare for their dogs, or photos of Michelle Obama’s High School Reunion, etc. Of course, I have never “said anything” about this, so that makes me complicit in their thoughtcrimes, I suppose.

    On the other hand, nothing gets Jews together better than a whiff of persecution, that is in fact the easiest way to manipulate Jews politically. That is why, for example, Bibi is always harping on Iran, not because it really is an “existential threat” but because he needs some kind of existential threat to get Jewish people to circle the wagons and ignore any other issues.

    Jewish Americans, most of them descended from impoverished Eastern European immigrants from about 100 years ago, have been very successful and/or have largely integrated into ordinary white American life. While vocal leftists in the Jewish community will continue to be heard, I expect American Jews to become politically more and more conservative in the future. Instead of earning like Episcopalians and voting like Puerto Ricans, they will live like nominally Christian whites and vote like Evangelicals.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Jewish voting behavior is less inclined toward the Republican Party now than was the case 40 years ago, to the extent that it can be measured.
  17. But Berman should have gotten reapportioned out in 2002 in favor of a Mexican, but his brother

    This may sound ridiculous, but Steve’s regular grammatical errors diminish my confidence in his arguments by 5-10% There, I said it.

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    • Replies: @EriK
    Yup, ridiculous.
    , @Kyle McKenna
    Yeesh, I'm a Grammar Nazi of the first order but I'd cut Steve a bit more slack. He talks so damned much horse sense that he could write backwards and still outshine 99.9% of political observers. What, brown nose me?
    , @Anonymous
    It has always bothered me that Steve never bothers to proofread anything.

    I imagine him sitting down at his computer in a moment of inspiration and hammering out a complete post in one pass, at the end of which he emphatically punches the Enter key and then immediately slams his laptop shut and walks away.

  18. Jews are treated, particularly in comparison with other groups that are more typically viewed as victims of discrimination, such as African-Americans and gays and lesbians.

    Well, let’s start by saying that no group in American society has been as victimized* as Blacks.They are the gold standard.So, not getting into the right fraternity/sorority or country club is pretty small potatoes when compared to slavery, Jim Crow, lynching**, etc.

    As for homosexuals, does anyone think that elite Gays like Lucius Beebe had much in common with the Black American experience?:

    Lucius Morris Beebe (December 9, 1902 – February 4, 1966) was an American author, gourmand, photographer, railroad historian, journalist, and syndicated columnist.

    Beebe was born in Wakefield, Massachusetts, to a prominent Boston family.[1] Beebe attended both Harvard University and Yale University, where he contributed to campus humor magazine The Yale Record.[2] During his tenure at boarding school and university, Beebe was known for his numerous pranks. One of his more outrageous stunts included an attempt at festooning J. P. Morgan’s yacht Corsair with toilet paper from a chartered airplane.[3] His pranks were not without consequence and he proudly noted that he had the sole distinction of having been expelled from both Harvard and Yale, at the insistence, respectively, of the president and dean of each.[4]

    A noted boulevardier, Beebe had an impressive and baroque wardrobe. Beebe’s clothing included 40 suits, at least two mink-lined overcoats, numerous top hats and bowlers, a collection of doeskin gloves, walking sticks and a substantial gold nugget watch chain.[11] Columnist Walter Winchell referred to Beebe and his wardrobe as “Luscious Lucius.”[11] Beebe’s sartorial splendor was recognized when he appeared in full formal day attire on the cover of Life over the title of “Lucius Beebe Sets a Style.”[12] [1]

    Many of Beebe’s articles and columns addressed men’s traditional fashion. He was especially fond of English bespoke tailoring and shoes and wrote glowing articles about noted court tailor Henry Poole and Company and noted bootmaker John Lobb, whom he patronized on a regular basis. He also liked ties, particularly from Charvet in Paris,[13] men’s hats and wrote of the history of the bowler hat.[14]

    In 1940, Beebe met Charles Clegg while both were houseguests at the Washington, D.C. home of Evalyn Walsh McLean. The two soon developed a personal and professional relationship that continued for the rest of Beebe’s life. By the standards of the era, the romantic relationship Beebe and Clegg shared was relatively open and well-known.[15] Previously, Beebe had been involved with society photographer Jerome Zerbe.

    The pair initially lived in New York City, where both men were prominent in café society circles. Eventually tiring of that social life, the two moved in 1950 to Virginia City, Nevada, a tiny community that had once been a fabled mining boomtown.[16] There, they reactivated and began publishing the Territorial Enterprise, a fabled 19th century newspaper that had once been the employer of Mark Twain. Beebe and Clegg shared a renovated mansion in the town, traveled extensively, and remained prominent in social circles.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Beebe

    Seems to me that Blacks living in the Jim Crow South or the segregated North of the period would have killed to have enjoyed a lifestyle like Beebe’s ….

    *Amerinds are the only group that comes close, but their experience was quite difference.Amerinds were simultaneously more hated/feared and more admired/respected than Blacks were.

    **Gotta give Jews credit, though.They’ve milked the Leo Frank case for all that it’s worth.Of course, Frank’s Jewishness had roughly zero to do with his lynching.And he is the only Jewish lynching victim.In contrast, Sicilians have 11 victims:

    David C. Hennessy (1858 – October 16, 1890) was a police chief of New Orleans, Louisiana. His assassination in 1890 led to a sensational trial. A group of not guilty verdicts shocked the nation, and an enormous mob formed outside the prison the next day. The prison doors were forced open and 11 of 19 Italian men who had been indicted for Hennessy’s murder were lynched.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hennessy

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    • Replies: @jimbo
    Huh. As a Wakefield resident, I spend a lot of time at the Lucius Beebe library. I suppose I should have googled the man before, I had no idea this sleepy town gave birth to such a bon vivant...
    , @LMH
    >So, not getting into the right fraternity/sorority or country club is pretty small potatoes when compared to slavery, Jim Crow, lynching

    Slavery ended in the 19th century, and affected a marginal proportion of the world's blacks. The Holocaust ended within our (grand)parents' lifetime, and killed fully 1/3 of the world's jews -- that's not counting the jews who were merely enslaved or merely lost their livelihoods and had their property confiscated.

    Then, while blacks went on to benefit from affirmative action, jews had the privilege of being the "old Asians."

    Jews can claim the mantle of most-oppressed group, easily.
    , @unit472
    Sorry Syon, Black History Month ended last week and the 'gold standard' for 'victim' status is did it happen to you , im the here and now, not what you read about in the past. By that measure whites are more victims of black rape, murder and racism that any one else because it is happening now and your tendentious screed suggest you maybe a practitioner of it.

    What happened before you were born is hearsay, colored by time and it affects you not a whit unless you allow it to or believe in a Jungian racial memory which, let me tell you , is not good if you are black because it puts you in the primordial jungles of Africa! George Soros seems to have actually encountered real live Nazis as a young man, the sort that carried real Schmeisser submachine guns and used them... on Jews. Did you ever encounter a lynch mob? What's your beef with the world?

    , @MLK

    Well, let’s start by saying that no group in American society has been as victimized* as Blacks.
     
    Bingo! Though I would drop the scare quotes. The real Black Metaphor of Suffering has been hijacked. All the identity "movements" (this is where the scare quotes belong) that followed are parasites. The cardinal mistake we made was morphing Black Civil Rights into just Civil Rights, and now Diversity.

    I've long looked at it this way: From our founding there was always an asterisk next to any and all Rights -- *Except blacks. Which, see below . . ." We should have maintained their unique, treatment under the law. We would have been world's better off if we had honestly and openly flipped their sui generis treatment from headwind to wind-at-their-backs.

    Whenever I read all the belly-aching from the parasites -- now many self-professed conservatives have joined the party -- I find myself wishing we had a contingent of Chinese Communist Party functionaries around to beat them with sticks until they are quiet.

    The blame in no small part belongs with Jesse Jackson. His Rainbow Coalition is the "I was Country before it was cool" of Fringe Coalition building. If there is any justice in this world, he will eventually be viewed by blacks (especially) as the individual who most damaged black interests.
    , @Jack D
    >Frank’s Jewishness had roughly zero to do with his lynching...

    Yes, that's correct, just like the Muslim guy happened to shoot up a kosher supermarket in Paris. It could have been any supermarket. It was just a coincidence that half of the Jews living in Georgia moved out of state immediately after the lynching and the rest took measure to make themselves invisible as Jews.

    , @Dave Pinsen

    **Gotta give Jews credit, though.They’ve milked the Leo Frank case for all that it’s worth.Of course, Frank’s Jewishness had roughly zero to do with his lynching.And he is the only Jewish lynching victim.
     
    You're forgetting Michael Schwerner and Andrew Goodman.
    , @Steve Sailer
    J.C. Leyendecker, who painted the most spectacular of these pictures, enjoyed a luxurious lifestyle, too. Although you have to admit the man worked hard for his money.
    , @anonymous-antimarxist
    PBS had a 4 hour series on Italian Americans. It was your standard Immigrants as victims Cultural Marxist propaganda.

    Funny how you never hear Italian Americans playing the victimization card over the aftermath of the Hennessy murder trial resulting in the lynching of a bunch of mafia thugs. Guess us Sicilians/Italians were too busy assimilating. Having few illusions about the nature of the mafia and understanding it was one of the major motivating factors for emigrating to America in the first place does not hurt. There is a reason why so many 2nd and 3rd generation Italians, think Rudy Giuliani, were attracted to law enforcement careers. Italians understand lack of rule of law was the major reason Southern Italy was so backward relative to the talents of its people.

    One case where I agree with Michael Barrone, there are a few things that other immigrant groups could learn from Italian Americans.

    There is one major difference between the Hennessy and Leo Frank. The lynched Italians were never convicted, probably due to witness intimidation and perhaps jury tampering.

    Leo Frank was convicted in a fair trial using the best criminal justice standards of his day and his conviction was exhaustively reviewed and upheld. Leo Frank was lynched in a fit of popular outrage over the political intervention on his behalf by Jewish elites (think NYT) resulting in commuting of his execution in part on grounds of unsubstantiated charges of anti-Semitism through the buying off of key Georgia politicians including and especially the Governor.

    Was Frank found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt? Not by today's standards but I think he got a more than fair trial by standards of a hundred years ago.

    Funny how lots of folks think that Leo Frank was dragged out of his pencil factory and hung with out even a trial.
    , @Art Deco
    **Gotta give Jews credit, though.They’ve milked the Leo Frank case for all that it’s worth.Of course,

    ==

    When you find yourself saying things like this, why not put in the name of an actual person and see if it still makes sense, as in "**Gotta give Jerry Gorfine credit, though. He's milked the Leo Frank case for all that it’s worth."

    Honestly, there is not some massive body of literature on this case (perhaps a half dozen books in a century). It's a true crime story with some odd features. (Austere local burgesses are seldom accused of murdering children consequent to sexual perversions, much less are they lynched with the kudos of the local community).
  19. @syonredux

    Jews are treated, particularly in comparison with other groups that are more typically viewed as victims of discrimination, such as African-Americans and gays and lesbians.
     
    Well, let's start by saying that no group in American society has been as victimized* as Blacks.They are the gold standard.So, not getting into the right fraternity/sorority or country club is pretty small potatoes when compared to slavery, Jim Crow, lynching**, etc.

    As for homosexuals, does anyone think that elite Gays like Lucius Beebe had much in common with the Black American experience?:

    Lucius Morris Beebe (December 9, 1902 – February 4, 1966) was an American author, gourmand, photographer, railroad historian, journalist, and syndicated columnist.

    Beebe was born in Wakefield, Massachusetts, to a prominent Boston family.[1] Beebe attended both Harvard University and Yale University, where he contributed to campus humor magazine The Yale Record.[2] During his tenure at boarding school and university, Beebe was known for his numerous pranks. One of his more outrageous stunts included an attempt at festooning J. P. Morgan's yacht Corsair with toilet paper from a chartered airplane.[3] His pranks were not without consequence and he proudly noted that he had the sole distinction of having been expelled from both Harvard and Yale, at the insistence, respectively, of the president and dean of each.[4]

    A noted boulevardier, Beebe had an impressive and baroque wardrobe. Beebe's clothing included 40 suits, at least two mink-lined overcoats, numerous top hats and bowlers, a collection of doeskin gloves, walking sticks and a substantial gold nugget watch chain.[11] Columnist Walter Winchell referred to Beebe and his wardrobe as "Luscious Lucius."[11] Beebe's sartorial splendor was recognized when he appeared in full formal day attire on the cover of Life over the title of "Lucius Beebe Sets a Style."[12] [1]

    Many of Beebe's articles and columns addressed men's traditional fashion. He was especially fond of English bespoke tailoring and shoes and wrote glowing articles about noted court tailor Henry Poole and Company and noted bootmaker John Lobb, whom he patronized on a regular basis. He also liked ties, particularly from Charvet in Paris,[13] men's hats and wrote of the history of the bowler hat.[14]

    In 1940, Beebe met Charles Clegg while both were houseguests at the Washington, D.C. home of Evalyn Walsh McLean. The two soon developed a personal and professional relationship that continued for the rest of Beebe's life. By the standards of the era, the romantic relationship Beebe and Clegg shared was relatively open and well-known.[15] Previously, Beebe had been involved with society photographer Jerome Zerbe.

    The pair initially lived in New York City, where both men were prominent in café society circles. Eventually tiring of that social life, the two moved in 1950 to Virginia City, Nevada, a tiny community that had once been a fabled mining boomtown.[16] There, they reactivated and began publishing the Territorial Enterprise, a fabled 19th century newspaper that had once been the employer of Mark Twain. Beebe and Clegg shared a renovated mansion in the town, traveled extensively, and remained prominent in social circles.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Beebe

     

    Seems to me that Blacks living in the Jim Crow South or the segregated North of the period would have killed to have enjoyed a lifestyle like Beebe's ....





    *Amerinds are the only group that comes close, but their experience was quite difference.Amerinds were simultaneously more hated/feared and more admired/respected than Blacks were.


    **Gotta give Jews credit, though.They've milked the Leo Frank case for all that it's worth.Of course, Frank's Jewishness had roughly zero to do with his lynching.And he is the only Jewish lynching victim.In contrast, Sicilians have 11 victims:

    David C. Hennessy (1858 – October 16, 1890) was a police chief of New Orleans, Louisiana. His assassination in 1890 led to a sensational trial. A group of not guilty verdicts shocked the nation, and an enormous mob formed outside the prison the next day. The prison doors were forced open and 11 of 19 Italian men who had been indicted for Hennessy's murder were lynched.
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hennessy

    Huh. As a Wakefield resident, I spend a lot of time at the Lucius Beebe library. I suppose I should have googled the man before, I had no idea this sleepy town gave birth to such a bon vivant…

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    I'm in a coffee shop in Melrose (neighboring town), about 1/4 mile from the Lucius Beebe Elementary School!

    Don't ask, don't tell!
  20. Incidentally, Steve, love the use of the Leyendecker* art.It perfectly captures the antique aura of Jewish obsessions.I suppose that, to many of them, it’s always 1920, and a closed cabal of Harvard-Yale-Princeton WASPs are still ruling the nation.If only that were true.If only men like Henry Cabot Lodge were still steering the ship of state…..

    Joseph Christian Leyendecker (March 23, 1874 – July 25, 1951) was one of the preeminent American illustrators of the early 20th century. He is best known for his poster, book and advertising illustrations, the trade character known as The Arrow Collar Man, and his numerous covers for The Saturday Evening Post.[1][2] Between 1896 and 1950, Leyendecker painted more than 400 magazine covers. During the Golden Age of American Illustration, for The Saturday Evening Post alone, J. C. Leyendecker produced 322 covers, as well as many advertisement illustrations for its interior pages. No other artist, until the arrival of Norman Rockwell two decades later, was so solidly identified with one publication.[3] Leyendecker “virtually invented the whole idea of modern magazine design.”[4]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._C._Leyendecker

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    I applaud your mention of the Golden Age of American Illustration. The Sixties infatuation with photography and non-representational art killed off the whole form. The death of pulp and men's magazines like Argosy and True were another blow. Hard cover novels used to have simple, artistic illustrations, which also fell out of favor. Alas.
    , @Kyle McKenna

    Incidentally, Steve, love the use of the Leyendecker* art.It perfectly captures the antique aura of Jewish obsessions.I suppose that, to many of them, it’s always 1920, and a closed cabal of Harvard-Yale-Princeton WASPs are still ruling the nation.If only that were true.
     
    If only it were ever true. Jerome Karabel (a seriously pro-semitic scholar on this topic) shows that Harvard's Jewish population was around 30% in 1925, somewhat giving the lie to the popular Hollywood version of HYP's traditional 'WASP exclusivity' in the 20th Century (See 'The Chosen', p.105). This is roughly ten times the Jewish proportion of the general population at the time, and yet we're forever invited to view this period as The Bad Old Days for the Chosen People in America.

    As another among many such examples, Karabel notes that over 1200 Jews entered Yale during the period between 1900 and 1930, when social exclusion and anti-semitism were allegedly rife (op.cit., p.55).

    Great piece Steve, and your phrase "a notorious redoubt of racoon coat-wearing, Stutz Bearcat-driving WASPs" is as delightful as the illustrations you include.

    Fraulein Roth is about to get schooled on using the "J" word in public. As always, it's entertaining (in a morbid sort of way) to witness our nation's most privileged cohort playing victim. And what megaphones they have!

    , @Mike Zwick
    "a closed cabal of Harvard-Yale-Princeton WASPs are still ruling the nation" This is what political correctness is all about. Stick it to "the man!" Only the PC police don't realize that these days they are the man!
    , @Jack D
    I think the UCLA incident shows the exact opposite - just when Jews in America start to relax and think they are fully accepted as fellow Americans, something like this comes around to prove to them that their position is still not quite secure, that it's never really over. How were the questions asked of the Jewish student today different than those that might have been asked by one of the Arrow Shirt Men in 1920? And instead of WASPY "Arabists" in the State Dept., you have one in the White House.

    Now, in the American context today, realistically Jews have much more to fear from "liberals" than they do from "conservatives" (though frankly some of the characters around here scare me, or they would if I didn't know they were sitting in their underwear in their mother's basement) but this is sort of cold comfort, the way that America is trending racially and politically (notwithstanding the blip of the 2014 elections). And although SOME Jews are starting to see the light and understand the threat that the left represents, those in the older generation especially are not going to join the party of Bull Conner (oh, oops sorry, he was a Democrat), I mean of Barry Goldwater - the Democrat Party for them is already a move to the right from their parents who belonged to the CPUSA. And even if those bible thumpers love Israel, they are so icky and tacky and uncool and obsessed with fetuses. Personally, I am not confident that the white people of America will ever get their act together again, nor am I entire sure that I would really like it if I did - the obsessions of the far right are sometimes just as distasteful and possibly outright dangerous as those of the far left. It would be nice if the US could return to a centrist Eisenhower type of rule where all the fringes (both left and right) were pushed to the margins but what are the odds of that happening - both parties now depend on their bases and big donors and no one really represents just plain Americans.
  21. @syonredux

    Jews are treated, particularly in comparison with other groups that are more typically viewed as victims of discrimination, such as African-Americans and gays and lesbians.
     
    Well, let's start by saying that no group in American society has been as victimized* as Blacks.They are the gold standard.So, not getting into the right fraternity/sorority or country club is pretty small potatoes when compared to slavery, Jim Crow, lynching**, etc.

    As for homosexuals, does anyone think that elite Gays like Lucius Beebe had much in common with the Black American experience?:

    Lucius Morris Beebe (December 9, 1902 – February 4, 1966) was an American author, gourmand, photographer, railroad historian, journalist, and syndicated columnist.

    Beebe was born in Wakefield, Massachusetts, to a prominent Boston family.[1] Beebe attended both Harvard University and Yale University, where he contributed to campus humor magazine The Yale Record.[2] During his tenure at boarding school and university, Beebe was known for his numerous pranks. One of his more outrageous stunts included an attempt at festooning J. P. Morgan's yacht Corsair with toilet paper from a chartered airplane.[3] His pranks were not without consequence and he proudly noted that he had the sole distinction of having been expelled from both Harvard and Yale, at the insistence, respectively, of the president and dean of each.[4]

    A noted boulevardier, Beebe had an impressive and baroque wardrobe. Beebe's clothing included 40 suits, at least two mink-lined overcoats, numerous top hats and bowlers, a collection of doeskin gloves, walking sticks and a substantial gold nugget watch chain.[11] Columnist Walter Winchell referred to Beebe and his wardrobe as "Luscious Lucius."[11] Beebe's sartorial splendor was recognized when he appeared in full formal day attire on the cover of Life over the title of "Lucius Beebe Sets a Style."[12] [1]

    Many of Beebe's articles and columns addressed men's traditional fashion. He was especially fond of English bespoke tailoring and shoes and wrote glowing articles about noted court tailor Henry Poole and Company and noted bootmaker John Lobb, whom he patronized on a regular basis. He also liked ties, particularly from Charvet in Paris,[13] men's hats and wrote of the history of the bowler hat.[14]

    In 1940, Beebe met Charles Clegg while both were houseguests at the Washington, D.C. home of Evalyn Walsh McLean. The two soon developed a personal and professional relationship that continued for the rest of Beebe's life. By the standards of the era, the romantic relationship Beebe and Clegg shared was relatively open and well-known.[15] Previously, Beebe had been involved with society photographer Jerome Zerbe.

    The pair initially lived in New York City, where both men were prominent in café society circles. Eventually tiring of that social life, the two moved in 1950 to Virginia City, Nevada, a tiny community that had once been a fabled mining boomtown.[16] There, they reactivated and began publishing the Territorial Enterprise, a fabled 19th century newspaper that had once been the employer of Mark Twain. Beebe and Clegg shared a renovated mansion in the town, traveled extensively, and remained prominent in social circles.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Beebe

     

    Seems to me that Blacks living in the Jim Crow South or the segregated North of the period would have killed to have enjoyed a lifestyle like Beebe's ....





    *Amerinds are the only group that comes close, but their experience was quite difference.Amerinds were simultaneously more hated/feared and more admired/respected than Blacks were.


    **Gotta give Jews credit, though.They've milked the Leo Frank case for all that it's worth.Of course, Frank's Jewishness had roughly zero to do with his lynching.And he is the only Jewish lynching victim.In contrast, Sicilians have 11 victims:

    David C. Hennessy (1858 – October 16, 1890) was a police chief of New Orleans, Louisiana. His assassination in 1890 led to a sensational trial. A group of not guilty verdicts shocked the nation, and an enormous mob formed outside the prison the next day. The prison doors were forced open and 11 of 19 Italian men who had been indicted for Hennessy's murder were lynched.
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hennessy

    >So, not getting into the right fraternity/sorority or country club is pretty small potatoes when compared to slavery, Jim Crow, lynching

    Slavery ended in the 19th century, and affected a marginal proportion of the world’s blacks. The Holocaust ended within our (grand)parents’ lifetime, and killed fully 1/3 of the world’s jews — that’s not counting the jews who were merely enslaved or merely lost their livelihoods and had their property confiscated.

    Then, while blacks went on to benefit from affirmative action, jews had the privilege of being the “old Asians.”

    Jews can claim the mantle of most-oppressed group, easily.

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    Slavery ended in the 19th century, and affected a marginal proportion of the world’s blacks.

    Jews can claim the mantle of most-oppressed group, easily.

    There is a basic difference between Slavery in the United States and the Holocaust in Europe. Think about it: the answer is in my comment.

    , @syonredux

    Slavery ended in the 19th century, and affected a marginal proportion of the world’s blacks.
     
    Yeah, but it affected a, shall we say, somewhat higher proportion of the Blacks living in the USA....

    The Holocaust ended within our (grand)parents’ lifetime,
     
    So did Jim Crow, and it actually happened in America, whereas the Holocaust happened in Europe...

    and killed fully 1/3 of the world’s jews — that’s not counting the jews who were merely enslaved or merely lost their livelihoods and had their property confiscated.
     
    And it still didn't happen in the USA....

    Then, while blacks went on to benefit from affirmative action, jews had the privilege of being the “old Asians.”
     
    On the other hand, last time I checked, Jews were never enslaved in the USA, and Jim Crow never applied to them....

    Jews can claim the mantle of most-oppressed group, easily.
     
    Not in America, dear fellow.
    , @SFG
    You can make an argument for Jews as most-oppressed group *globally*. Though I still think the Roma might have us beat.

    *In the USA*, on the other hand, oppression of Jews falls way behind Blacks, dark-skinned Hispanics, and Chinese (railroads, etc.).
    , @JSM
    "The Holocaust ended within our (grand)parents’ lifetime, and killed fully 1/3 of the world’s jews "

    The United States didn't do the Holocaust -- White American families sent their sons to risk death to LIBERATE the camps. What do *WE* have to answer for? Nothing. Yet, OMG, we have to hear constantly about how anti-semitism is just rife in America by likes of the Southern Poverty Law Center and Anti-Defamation League.
    , @iSteveFan

    Jews can claim the mantle of most-oppressed group, easily.
     
    How are you arriving at that conclusion, through death rates? What is your metric?
  22. WhatEvvs [AKA "Bemused"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Very interesting pictures…..

    Meanwhile, in the real world, Officer Wilson was gunned down in the line of duty.

    Philadelphia PO Robert Wilson. Black.

    http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Police-Officer-Shot-in-North-Philly-295238211.html

    Why do I bring this up? Because black lives matter.

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  23. advancedatheist [AKA "RedneckCryonicist"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    My white ancestors looked like the the Joads from The Grapes of Wrath. They couldn’t get into these elite WASP institutions at the time, either.

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  24. @SFG
    You can hope.

    Whatever happens, I'm not giving up the country ham.

    I’m not, either. And, I’m Jewish.

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  25. Steve:

    I read the linked story from the NYT and in the correction, it states that the Student Council has 14 members, not seven. If that’s the case, how did four “no” votes keep Ms. Beyda from being confirmed? I know I might be hewed in by the facts here, but I thought someone should be.

    On another note, whenever you refer to “Haven Monahan,” for some reason my brain reads “Hannah Montana”. Of course, one is a contrived, fictitious character from the imagination of an overwrought girl, and the other is … nevermind.

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  26. Brad Sherman was also much more of a traditional liberal than Berman, who was a neocon in every sense of the word. The Iraq War was a huge issue in that race.

    California only has 4 Jewish House members now. Schiff, Sherman, Alan Lowenthal of Long Beach and Susan Davis of San Diego. The state has two Jewish senators now, but in four years will have zero.

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  27. “Don’t they have divided loyalties? All of these anti-Semitic tropes.”

    There’s that word again. The “T word.”

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  28. Another interesting aspect of this case, which can only be teased out of the NYT article, and which the newspaper of record seems uninterested in delving into, is the question of just what Beyda will be doing in her new capacity.

    She was nominated and approved for membership of the “Judicial Board” which the NYT described as “like the Supreme Court” for UCLA. In essence, it appears to have some sort of right to review and, I guess, potentially strike down actions of the Student Council.

    What’s really going on here, I think, is that a pro-Israel operative is being positioned where she can help overturn any student council moves towards divestment from Israel.

    Naturally, the NYT has no desire to go into any of this. Nowhere is Beyda’s path to this position described. How was she–as opposed to someone else–”nominated” for this position? How exactly does the Judicial Board function and what limitations are there on its review authority?

    Roth was a fool–though I’m, of course, sympathetic to her. She obviously suspected the issue I’ve just outlined, but instead of forcing Beyda to address specific questions about specific pro-Israel activities, she walked right into an L-shaped ambush by blurting out the broad question about Jewish identity (though obviously that is the ultimate issue.)

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    Why are you sympathetic to an obvious antisemite? Her questions were ridiculously inappropriate.
  29. Priss Factor [AKA "K. Arujo"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “The discussion, recorded in written minutes and captured on video, seemed to echo the kind of questions, prejudices and tropes — particularly about divided loyalties — that have plagued Jews across the globe for centuries, students and Jewish leaders said.”

    Aren’t Jews always blaming Wasps and white gentiles of serving ‘white privilege’ instead of the good of the whole?
    So, why shouldn’t the same apply to Jews, especially in a nation where AIPAC rules and Netanhayu throws his weight around like a king?

    And this media report proves that there’s one rule for Jews–never ever suspect Jews of anything–but another rule for gentiles that always accuses others of prejudice against Jews for NOTICING the way of Jewish power.

    PS. Who is this ‘Roth’?

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  30. @syonredux

    Jews are treated, particularly in comparison with other groups that are more typically viewed as victims of discrimination, such as African-Americans and gays and lesbians.
     
    Well, let's start by saying that no group in American society has been as victimized* as Blacks.They are the gold standard.So, not getting into the right fraternity/sorority or country club is pretty small potatoes when compared to slavery, Jim Crow, lynching**, etc.

    As for homosexuals, does anyone think that elite Gays like Lucius Beebe had much in common with the Black American experience?:

    Lucius Morris Beebe (December 9, 1902 – February 4, 1966) was an American author, gourmand, photographer, railroad historian, journalist, and syndicated columnist.

    Beebe was born in Wakefield, Massachusetts, to a prominent Boston family.[1] Beebe attended both Harvard University and Yale University, where he contributed to campus humor magazine The Yale Record.[2] During his tenure at boarding school and university, Beebe was known for his numerous pranks. One of his more outrageous stunts included an attempt at festooning J. P. Morgan's yacht Corsair with toilet paper from a chartered airplane.[3] His pranks were not without consequence and he proudly noted that he had the sole distinction of having been expelled from both Harvard and Yale, at the insistence, respectively, of the president and dean of each.[4]

    A noted boulevardier, Beebe had an impressive and baroque wardrobe. Beebe's clothing included 40 suits, at least two mink-lined overcoats, numerous top hats and bowlers, a collection of doeskin gloves, walking sticks and a substantial gold nugget watch chain.[11] Columnist Walter Winchell referred to Beebe and his wardrobe as "Luscious Lucius."[11] Beebe's sartorial splendor was recognized when he appeared in full formal day attire on the cover of Life over the title of "Lucius Beebe Sets a Style."[12] [1]

    Many of Beebe's articles and columns addressed men's traditional fashion. He was especially fond of English bespoke tailoring and shoes and wrote glowing articles about noted court tailor Henry Poole and Company and noted bootmaker John Lobb, whom he patronized on a regular basis. He also liked ties, particularly from Charvet in Paris,[13] men's hats and wrote of the history of the bowler hat.[14]

    In 1940, Beebe met Charles Clegg while both were houseguests at the Washington, D.C. home of Evalyn Walsh McLean. The two soon developed a personal and professional relationship that continued for the rest of Beebe's life. By the standards of the era, the romantic relationship Beebe and Clegg shared was relatively open and well-known.[15] Previously, Beebe had been involved with society photographer Jerome Zerbe.

    The pair initially lived in New York City, where both men were prominent in café society circles. Eventually tiring of that social life, the two moved in 1950 to Virginia City, Nevada, a tiny community that had once been a fabled mining boomtown.[16] There, they reactivated and began publishing the Territorial Enterprise, a fabled 19th century newspaper that had once been the employer of Mark Twain. Beebe and Clegg shared a renovated mansion in the town, traveled extensively, and remained prominent in social circles.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Beebe

     

    Seems to me that Blacks living in the Jim Crow South or the segregated North of the period would have killed to have enjoyed a lifestyle like Beebe's ....





    *Amerinds are the only group that comes close, but their experience was quite difference.Amerinds were simultaneously more hated/feared and more admired/respected than Blacks were.


    **Gotta give Jews credit, though.They've milked the Leo Frank case for all that it's worth.Of course, Frank's Jewishness had roughly zero to do with his lynching.And he is the only Jewish lynching victim.In contrast, Sicilians have 11 victims:

    David C. Hennessy (1858 – October 16, 1890) was a police chief of New Orleans, Louisiana. His assassination in 1890 led to a sensational trial. A group of not guilty verdicts shocked the nation, and an enormous mob formed outside the prison the next day. The prison doors were forced open and 11 of 19 Italian men who had been indicted for Hennessy's murder were lynched.
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hennessy

    Sorry Syon, Black History Month ended last week and the ‘gold standard’ for ‘victim’ status is did it happen to you , im the here and now, not what you read about in the past. By that measure whites are more victims of black rape, murder and racism that any one else because it is happening now and your tendentious screed suggest you maybe a practitioner of it.

    What happened before you were born is hearsay, colored by time and it affects you not a whit unless you allow it to or believe in a Jungian racial memory which, let me tell you , is not good if you are black because it puts you in the primordial jungles of Africa! George Soros seems to have actually encountered real live Nazis as a young man, the sort that carried real Schmeisser submachine guns and used them… on Jews. Did you ever encounter a lynch mob? What’s your beef with the world?

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  31. After scanning the NYT comments, and noticing some that referenced UCLA “isn’t the South”, I decided to reply to one with something like this:

    “The irony is that this student would probably be welcomed by the Christian Zionists/dispensationalists that are disproportionately Southern. Who do you think it is who promotes the US’s heavy financial/military support for Israel in the first place? They’re presently the most philo-Semitic people in America. In the early days of this country, most Jews lived in the South. Even now, many rural and urban communities have Jewish mayors and legislators, particularly in the deep South.

    If there is any “trope” that needs to end, it’s the idea that Southerners are anti-Semitic. ”

    The NYT wouldn’t let it go through. This obsessive narrative protection is really something. They can’t even give Southerners/Fundamentalist Christians credit for their extraordinary support for Israel. I can’t think of a people more despised by those they love.

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  32. How times have changed!

    Does anyone other than me even consider that not all that long ago it was inconceivable a senior New York Times reporter would write about student council politics?!

    You know a trend is in full swing when the New York Times is fully participating. That trend, quite simply is what I have described as adults bothering the kids. One of my favorite lines from Animal House comes to mind, even though the wrong guy says it. “Don’t you have any respect for yourself?”

    Here’s a story that has been kicking around on the Republican rightsphere for awhile

    This is now a minor industry, with its Left and Right factions feeding rather pathetic adult appetites for these stories.. It’s now a vicious cycle. Either the Left or Right gets the ball rolling and the other side responds. Round and round we go. For those with a political/ideological bent, it’s the equivalent of the mother who secretly reads her thirteen year old daughter’s dreamy diary musings on the boys at school.

    As someone who started college in 1981, I feel sorry for today’s college students. I attended GW in Washington D.C., Even though I was immersed in both campus politics, and had an internship on Capitol Hill, I cannot remember a single occasion when adults paid any attention whatsoever to our shenanigans. Of course, just as adults today, despite their fierce political and ideological differences, universally agree these campus doings are of World Historical import. In my day we college students all agreed it was none of their business.

    One of my many hats was a position on the Student Publications Committee. It controlled the budgets and staffing for, most importantly, the daily student newspaper. We had stacked the committee with the express purpose of removing the paper’s editor in favor of our friend. The respected and well-meaning faculty advisor, a journalism professor, was blindsided. He passionately argued we had no legitimate basis to remove her. We listened politely, and then voted to remove the paper’s first female editor-in-chief, replacing her with our pal. That was the end of that, including for the dumbfounded faculty advisor. I hasten to add, the Editor-in-Chief received full tuition reimbursement.

    I’ll note something else, and it also speaks to how far down the rabbit hole everyone has gone. Consider the initial OUTRAGE absent all that followed:

    “Given that you are a Jewish student and very active in the Jewish community,” Fabienne Roth, a member of the Undergraduate Students Association Council, began, looking at Ms. Beyda at the other end of the room, “how do you see yourself being able to maintain an unbiased view?

    Rather obviously, that was intended as a softball question! But, given today’s dogma, combined with the inherent tensions in the fringe coalition that you have long noted, it quickly spun out of control. Indeed, that standard question — “Are you going to represent everybody?” — has become the narcissistic “how do you see yourself being able to maintain an unbiased view? Back in my day, while we still had a lot to learn, what is now called bias was assumed, and a feature of small-beer campuses doings, not a bug.

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    Good point - it's not like this college is located somewhere important like Ferguson, MO.
  33. I mean, what else is there to run on in student council elections?

    Steve, you attended college during the relative peace of the late seventies, early eighties. By the mid eighties college student governments were all wrapped up in the end Apartheid movement. Besides the Boycott Divest Sanction South Africa initiatives that student councils were always pushing. You should know were these things call shanty towns constructed on the campus mall where the truly upworthy would actually attempt to live for a days even weeks at a time.

    A friend told me that in her journalism classes(aka Cultural Marxism 101), the TWMNBN professors all but spelled it out on the blackboard that you were not getting an A unless you were out front in the BDS SA activities. Nice sitting in a classroom surrounded by classmates sleeping in a shantytown. Hope they showered at the student rec center or would that be the act of a wrecker?

    Now, something tells me that Mr Baral, and Ms Roth and Beyda want to be on the Student Council just to make sure the campus BDS Israel movement does not get out of hand. Better to focus young minds on fighting WWG and WWT, not to mention learning about America’s role in the abandonment of the Jews during the Holocaust.

    Perhaps Sheldon and Haim will start handing out campaign contributions, I mean scholarships, er’ fellowships, in case they aren’t already.

    Oops!!! Sorry some of my fellow isteve-ers might find that border line anti-semitic.

    Hey what do you know!!!!

    SURPRISE!!! SURPRISE!!! SURPRISE!!!

    Well Golly Mr Sailer!!!! Isn’t that Google something???

    UCLA Muslim Newsmag Targets Jewish Student

    http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/ucla-muslim-newsmag-targets-jewish-student

    The editorial board of Al-Talib, the Muslim Newsmagazine at UCLA, called on Jewish student Avinoam Baral to disassociate himself from the pro-Israel program Hasbara Fellowships due to the group’s alleged Islamophobia. Al-Talib alleged that the Jewish program “actively (contributes) to violence against Muslims” and asked that Baral, who is a candidate for Internal Vice President in upcoming UCLA student elections, separate himself from the program.

    The newsmagazine asked that Baral “publicly distance himself from the organization Hasbara Fellowships because of its association with the production and dissemination of Islamophobic documentaries across the United States. Unless Baral distances himself from an organization that disseminates Islamophobia, ties to anti-Muslim networks will remain accepted in campus life and politics.”

    As TruthRevolt reported on Wednesday evening, a number candidates for UCLA student government were asked to sign an “ethics statement” prohibiting trips to Israel with Hasbara Fellowships, AIPAC and the ADL. StandWithUs Executive Director Roz Rothstein labeled the attempt “bigoted” and Israel on Campus Coalition Executive Director Jacob Baime hoped that students on campus would “not be intimidated by closed-minded zealots with their heads in the sand.”

    Oops there is more!!!!


    Pro-Israel appeal to US patriotism fails to halt “historic” California divestment vote

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/pro-israel-appeal-us-patriotism-fails-halt-historic-california-divestment-vote

    At a rally outside, student body president Avinoam Baral, whose scandal-plagued election campaign was financed by Islamophobic anti-Palestinian property tycoon and convicted tax evader Adam Milstein, declared that the divestment resolution was “anti-Semitic.

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    It looks like the Swiss Miss Roth did not want UCLA's student council simply taken over by either BDS Israel supporters and more likely opponents.

    Ms Roth seems to have walked perhaps naively into the ADL buzzsaw.

    It seems like a ridiculous amount of money was being spent on influencing UCLA student council elections in opposition to the BDS Israel movement.

    Funny how the NYT does not tell you this????

    Here is Brietbart from a month ago:
    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/03/01/ucla-student-government-candidate-attacked-for-being-jewish/

    Anyway looks like for now things have blown up in anti-BDS folks faces.
    , @SFG
    Oh god, more BDS. Between AIPAC and the Muslim groups, maybe we can establish a group for people who are sick of hearing about Israel one way or the other?

    Maybe BDSM--BDS Moderates?

    , @Oscar Peterson
    Good research (in your post #39). My thoughts--post #33--were along the same lines but you went the extra mile and documented the underlying issue.
    , @IBC
    That's amazing that they actually have outside people funding student government elections at UCLA. What was the budget? What were they spending the money on? Do elections at other schools even get financing?

    At a rally outside, student body president Avinoam Baral, whose scandal-plagued election campaign was financed by Islamophobic anti-Palestinian property tycoon and convicted tax evader Adam Milstein
     
  34. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Jews will become Republicans fairly soon, as soon as Democrats can make more money from Muslim Americans, and they can finally ditch their support for Israel which only exists because campaign donations depend on it.

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  35. I went on a Contiki Tour of Europe with Haven Monahan a couple of decades ago. There was Jewish girl on the tour and Haven rather ungraciously rebuffed her romantic overtures. Poor boy Haven.

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    "I went on a Contiki Tour of Europe with Haven Monahan a couple of decades ago. There was Jewish girl on the tour and Haven rather ungraciously rebuffed her romantic overtures. Poor boy Haven."

    I knew Haven Monahan too. I also hung out with him in Paris one summer with some other American Ex-Pats several decades ago, including one mutual friend who had a horse racing addiction as I recall. Haven and I even ended up accompanying this poor fellow to a racetrack outside of Paris with some other friends. Haven of course, as his usual luck would have it, won big that day.

    Haven was a gentlemen ... and a babe magnet if ever there was one. True what you said about him and Jewish girls...he didn't care for them even (or especially when) they thew themselves at him. On the other hand, as I recall he did have a thing for the French ladies and they for him.

    Craziest true story about Haven.

    He would, I kid you not, pick up French ladies by asking them to accompany him to shop for lingerie as a surprise gift for his American fiancee back home in the states! He would claim he needed their help because he was not sure of his lady's measurements. What a rascal he was! Pretty soon he would just go off canoodling with the French girl, claiming she had made him forget about his American girl! Those French girls are very competitive I guess...

    Not sure how he managed it. It was amazing to witness. Of course when you are as good looking as Haven is (was?) the world is a little different no? I wouldn't recommend his technique for mere mortals such as the rest of us...your mileage may vary ...LOL!

    Of course, these French girls often had a girlfriend (of usually slightly lesser beauty alas), who also needed male companionship for the inevitable double dates. That is where I came in. I have many warm memories (literally ha ha!) of those evening we spent together!

    Sigh that was so many years ago. Hope he is well.

    Long live Haven!
  36. “But in the weeks since, that uncomfortable debate has upended this campus of 29,600 students that has long been central to the identity of Los Angeles. It has set off an anguished discussion of how Jews are treated, particularly in comparison with other groups that are more typically viewed as victims of discrimination, such as African-Americans and gays and lesbians.”

    Really? This little tempest in a teapot has “upended” UCLA. How many students at a big state U pay attention to student government? How many even know the names of the people running for student council? This sounds like an exercise in ego-stroking by self-absorbed narcissists.

    Student councils, by the way, seem to attract the busy-body activist mentality – parasites-in-training who will go on to occupy the various political-commissar jobs that now abound in government agencies and large corporations.

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  37. Following the Leyendecker Wikilink: I guess that explains why the men in his illustrations are so beautiful.
    Does the man on the left in the second drawing captioned “UCLA Students” look rather mixed race to anyone else?.

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    I think he might be intended to look like 1920s golf champion Gene Sarazen, a Sicilian-American former caddy.
    , @Anonymous
    I think that explains why the second drawing captioned "UCLA Students" looks so homoerotic.
  38. “UCLA student council leaders plotting behind closed doors”

    Hey! Where’d you get that picture of me hanging out in the Boelter Hall lounge in 1983?

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  39. As a Jewish American, I’ve often — carefully and very gently — suggested that we Jews should stay out of the American Victim Sweepstakes because it’s demeaning and immoral. I have a feeling that a lot of Jewish Americans agree with me, but — to purloin one of Steve’s phrases — we don’t “control the megaphone.”

    (For self-preservation, I pretty much kept my mouth shut about that Netanyahu idiocy in Congress this week.)

    Campus politics haven’t changed much anywhere. In college, I ran for student government president on the platform of dissolving student government and refunding student activity fees. The handful of libertarian students voted for me. The black candidate ran on the platform “I’m black,” which got him the support of the few black students who voted. The winning candidate ran on the platform “I’m a Delt,” which garnered him all the Delta Tau Delta votes. Current American politics seems to be campus politics writ large, with an extra dash of corruption from Wall Street and a hobby of blowing stuff up all over the world.

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    If there are so many Jews who secretly agree with Steve's points and agree with 'traditional conservative values'

    Why don't you guys just stop identifying as Jews?

    You're probably all Ashkenazi--part Germanic---anyways.

    So stop being Jews.
  40. What this is really about, is whether Jews are white. If a white candidate to the UCLA judicial council had been questioned about her activism in pro-white causes, there would have been no scandal (or if anything the scandal would have been that her candidacy had advanced even that far).

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  41. Blacks, Jews, Asians, etc; Muslims, Christians, Atheists, etc; so much diversity, so much multiculturalism; so much to hate, despite, and abhor. Every society should be like this one, so that peace on earth will continue to be a myth and war and upheaval will continue to plague man (and woman).

    Life, like a good teacher, keeps giving us lessons; we, like poor students, refuse to learn.

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  42. @syonredux
    Incidentally, Steve, love the use of the Leyendecker* art.It perfectly captures the antique aura of Jewish obsessions.I suppose that, to many of them, it's always 1920, and a closed cabal of Harvard-Yale-Princeton WASPs are still ruling the nation.If only that were true.If only men like Henry Cabot Lodge were still steering the ship of state.....

    Joseph Christian Leyendecker (March 23, 1874 – July 25, 1951) was one of the preeminent American illustrators of the early 20th century. He is best known for his poster, book and advertising illustrations, the trade character known as The Arrow Collar Man, and his numerous covers for The Saturday Evening Post.[1][2] Between 1896 and 1950, Leyendecker painted more than 400 magazine covers. During the Golden Age of American Illustration, for The Saturday Evening Post alone, J. C. Leyendecker produced 322 covers, as well as many advertisement illustrations for its interior pages. No other artist, until the arrival of Norman Rockwell two decades later, was so solidly identified with one publication.[3] Leyendecker "virtually invented the whole idea of modern magazine design."[4]
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._C._Leyendecker

    I applaud your mention of the Golden Age of American Illustration. The Sixties infatuation with photography and non-representational art killed off the whole form. The death of pulp and men’s magazines like Argosy and True were another blow. Hard cover novels used to have simple, artistic illustrations, which also fell out of favor. Alas.

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    @Simon in London
    Funny, this was the only Roth I'd previously heard of - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Roth - but per the NYT this Roth must be some kind of Jew-hating Swiss Nazi? Or maybe she just wasn't quite up on American Political Correctness? I've had Germans say to me some things that sound rather odd to Anglo ears, steeped as we are in cradle-to-grave Sensitivity Training.

    Roth is Swiss-German and an international student from Switzerland.

    I doubt she thought she was being politically incorrect or uncouth. Germans tend to be very blunt and matter of fact when speaking compared to Americans and Anglophones.

    Most American students, of whatever background, in that sort of environment would hesitate to be so direct because it sounds rude to American ears.

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  44. @syonredux

    Jews are treated, particularly in comparison with other groups that are more typically viewed as victims of discrimination, such as African-Americans and gays and lesbians.
     
    Well, let's start by saying that no group in American society has been as victimized* as Blacks.They are the gold standard.So, not getting into the right fraternity/sorority or country club is pretty small potatoes when compared to slavery, Jim Crow, lynching**, etc.

    As for homosexuals, does anyone think that elite Gays like Lucius Beebe had much in common with the Black American experience?:

    Lucius Morris Beebe (December 9, 1902 – February 4, 1966) was an American author, gourmand, photographer, railroad historian, journalist, and syndicated columnist.

    Beebe was born in Wakefield, Massachusetts, to a prominent Boston family.[1] Beebe attended both Harvard University and Yale University, where he contributed to campus humor magazine The Yale Record.[2] During his tenure at boarding school and university, Beebe was known for his numerous pranks. One of his more outrageous stunts included an attempt at festooning J. P. Morgan's yacht Corsair with toilet paper from a chartered airplane.[3] His pranks were not without consequence and he proudly noted that he had the sole distinction of having been expelled from both Harvard and Yale, at the insistence, respectively, of the president and dean of each.[4]

    A noted boulevardier, Beebe had an impressive and baroque wardrobe. Beebe's clothing included 40 suits, at least two mink-lined overcoats, numerous top hats and bowlers, a collection of doeskin gloves, walking sticks and a substantial gold nugget watch chain.[11] Columnist Walter Winchell referred to Beebe and his wardrobe as "Luscious Lucius."[11] Beebe's sartorial splendor was recognized when he appeared in full formal day attire on the cover of Life over the title of "Lucius Beebe Sets a Style."[12] [1]

    Many of Beebe's articles and columns addressed men's traditional fashion. He was especially fond of English bespoke tailoring and shoes and wrote glowing articles about noted court tailor Henry Poole and Company and noted bootmaker John Lobb, whom he patronized on a regular basis. He also liked ties, particularly from Charvet in Paris,[13] men's hats and wrote of the history of the bowler hat.[14]

    In 1940, Beebe met Charles Clegg while both were houseguests at the Washington, D.C. home of Evalyn Walsh McLean. The two soon developed a personal and professional relationship that continued for the rest of Beebe's life. By the standards of the era, the romantic relationship Beebe and Clegg shared was relatively open and well-known.[15] Previously, Beebe had been involved with society photographer Jerome Zerbe.

    The pair initially lived in New York City, where both men were prominent in café society circles. Eventually tiring of that social life, the two moved in 1950 to Virginia City, Nevada, a tiny community that had once been a fabled mining boomtown.[16] There, they reactivated and began publishing the Territorial Enterprise, a fabled 19th century newspaper that had once been the employer of Mark Twain. Beebe and Clegg shared a renovated mansion in the town, traveled extensively, and remained prominent in social circles.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Beebe

     

    Seems to me that Blacks living in the Jim Crow South or the segregated North of the period would have killed to have enjoyed a lifestyle like Beebe's ....





    *Amerinds are the only group that comes close, but their experience was quite difference.Amerinds were simultaneously more hated/feared and more admired/respected than Blacks were.


    **Gotta give Jews credit, though.They've milked the Leo Frank case for all that it's worth.Of course, Frank's Jewishness had roughly zero to do with his lynching.And he is the only Jewish lynching victim.In contrast, Sicilians have 11 victims:

    David C. Hennessy (1858 – October 16, 1890) was a police chief of New Orleans, Louisiana. His assassination in 1890 led to a sensational trial. A group of not guilty verdicts shocked the nation, and an enormous mob formed outside the prison the next day. The prison doors were forced open and 11 of 19 Italian men who had been indicted for Hennessy's murder were lynched.
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hennessy

    Well, let’s start by saying that no group in American society has been as victimized* as Blacks.

    Bingo! Though I would drop the scare quotes. The real Black Metaphor of Suffering has been hijacked. All the identity “movements” (this is where the scare quotes belong) that followed are parasites. The cardinal mistake we made was morphing Black Civil Rights into just Civil Rights, and now Diversity.

    I’ve long looked at it this way: From our founding there was always an asterisk next to any and all Rights — *Except blacks. Which, see below . . .” We should have maintained their unique, treatment under the law. We would have been world’s better off if we had honestly and openly flipped their sui generis treatment from headwind to wind-at-their-backs.

    Whenever I read all the belly-aching from the parasites — now many self-professed conservatives have joined the party — I find myself wishing we had a contingent of Chinese Communist Party functionaries around to beat them with sticks until they are quiet.

    The blame in no small part belongs with Jesse Jackson. His Rainbow Coalition is the “I was Country before it was cool” of Fringe Coalition building. If there is any justice in this world, he will eventually be viewed by blacks (especially) as the individual who most damaged black interests.

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    Except that they didn't get damaged. You now have at least three large industries devoted to black employment: law enforcement, state-local education, and minor cabinet agencies (labor, education, post office). Pretty good.
  45. @syonredux

    Jews are treated, particularly in comparison with other groups that are more typically viewed as victims of discrimination, such as African-Americans and gays and lesbians.
     
    Well, let's start by saying that no group in American society has been as victimized* as Blacks.They are the gold standard.So, not getting into the right fraternity/sorority or country club is pretty small potatoes when compared to slavery, Jim Crow, lynching**, etc.

    As for homosexuals, does anyone think that elite Gays like Lucius Beebe had much in common with the Black American experience?:

    Lucius Morris Beebe (December 9, 1902 – February 4, 1966) was an American author, gourmand, photographer, railroad historian, journalist, and syndicated columnist.

    Beebe was born in Wakefield, Massachusetts, to a prominent Boston family.[1] Beebe attended both Harvard University and Yale University, where he contributed to campus humor magazine The Yale Record.[2] During his tenure at boarding school and university, Beebe was known for his numerous pranks. One of his more outrageous stunts included an attempt at festooning J. P. Morgan's yacht Corsair with toilet paper from a chartered airplane.[3] His pranks were not without consequence and he proudly noted that he had the sole distinction of having been expelled from both Harvard and Yale, at the insistence, respectively, of the president and dean of each.[4]

    A noted boulevardier, Beebe had an impressive and baroque wardrobe. Beebe's clothing included 40 suits, at least two mink-lined overcoats, numerous top hats and bowlers, a collection of doeskin gloves, walking sticks and a substantial gold nugget watch chain.[11] Columnist Walter Winchell referred to Beebe and his wardrobe as "Luscious Lucius."[11] Beebe's sartorial splendor was recognized when he appeared in full formal day attire on the cover of Life over the title of "Lucius Beebe Sets a Style."[12] [1]

    Many of Beebe's articles and columns addressed men's traditional fashion. He was especially fond of English bespoke tailoring and shoes and wrote glowing articles about noted court tailor Henry Poole and Company and noted bootmaker John Lobb, whom he patronized on a regular basis. He also liked ties, particularly from Charvet in Paris,[13] men's hats and wrote of the history of the bowler hat.[14]

    In 1940, Beebe met Charles Clegg while both were houseguests at the Washington, D.C. home of Evalyn Walsh McLean. The two soon developed a personal and professional relationship that continued for the rest of Beebe's life. By the standards of the era, the romantic relationship Beebe and Clegg shared was relatively open and well-known.[15] Previously, Beebe had been involved with society photographer Jerome Zerbe.

    The pair initially lived in New York City, where both men were prominent in café society circles. Eventually tiring of that social life, the two moved in 1950 to Virginia City, Nevada, a tiny community that had once been a fabled mining boomtown.[16] There, they reactivated and began publishing the Territorial Enterprise, a fabled 19th century newspaper that had once been the employer of Mark Twain. Beebe and Clegg shared a renovated mansion in the town, traveled extensively, and remained prominent in social circles.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Beebe

     

    Seems to me that Blacks living in the Jim Crow South or the segregated North of the period would have killed to have enjoyed a lifestyle like Beebe's ....





    *Amerinds are the only group that comes close, but their experience was quite difference.Amerinds were simultaneously more hated/feared and more admired/respected than Blacks were.


    **Gotta give Jews credit, though.They've milked the Leo Frank case for all that it's worth.Of course, Frank's Jewishness had roughly zero to do with his lynching.And he is the only Jewish lynching victim.In contrast, Sicilians have 11 victims:

    David C. Hennessy (1858 – October 16, 1890) was a police chief of New Orleans, Louisiana. His assassination in 1890 led to a sensational trial. A group of not guilty verdicts shocked the nation, and an enormous mob formed outside the prison the next day. The prison doors were forced open and 11 of 19 Italian men who had been indicted for Hennessy's murder were lynched.
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hennessy

    >Frank’s Jewishness had roughly zero to do with his lynching…

    Yes, that’s correct, just like the Muslim guy happened to shoot up a kosher supermarket in Paris. It could have been any supermarket. It was just a coincidence that half of the Jews living in Georgia moved out of state immediately after the lynching and the rest took measure to make themselves invisible as Jews.

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    It was just a coincidence that half of the Jews living in Georgia moved out of state immediately after the lynching and the rest took measure to make themselves invisible as Jews.
     
    http://georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu/topics/history/article/the-leo-frank-case/the-leo-frank-case

    November 25, 1915 - the Knights of Mary Phagan met atop Stone Mountain, burned a cross, and initiated the new invisible order of the Ku Klux Klan. Soon thereafter the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith was founded in New York; its founding was based largely on the Leo Frank case and its aftermath. Ironically, Leo Frank had been president of the Atlanta chapter of B’nai B’rith. It must be noted here that the Phagan family has not condoned Klan activity, especially in regards to Mary. In fact the family expressly forbade a Klan request to hold a ceremony at Mary Phagan’s grave site.

     

    Ok a bunch of morons burned a cross.

    I think perhaps hundreds of Jews left Georgia , but "half" is surely ADL propaganda.

    Atlanta had a large Jewish community well before the Civil War and it continued to thrive long after the Frank case.

    Ever see "Driving Miss Daisy"? I don't think It was not far off the mark.
    , @ben tillman

    >Frank’s Jewishness had roughly zero to do with his lynching…

    Yes, that’s correct, just like the Muslim guy happened to shoot up a kosher supermarket in Paris.
     

    That's an awful analogy.

    But in a sense it's true that his Jewishness had something to do with his lynching. If he hadn't been Jewish, the government would have executed him, and the lynching would have been impossible.

  46. @Simon in London
    Funny, this was the only Roth I'd previously heard of - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Roth - but per the NYT this Roth must be some kind of Jew-hating Swiss Nazi? Or maybe she just wasn't quite up on American Political Correctness? I've had Germans say to me some things that sound rather odd to Anglo ears, steeped as we are in cradle-to-grave Sensitivity Training.

    Yes, I think that the fact that Ms. Roth apparently did not grow up in the US has something to do with it. The whole dual-loyalty canard was pretty much put to bed in the US by the early 1960s at the latest, along with the idea that Catholics are loyal to the Pope. Personally I was shocked that she brought this up, especially at a public university which has an obligation to be non-sectarian. Let’s try changing her statement a bit and see if it passes muster:

    “Given that you are a Christian student and very active in the Christian community,” Fabienne Roth, a member of the Undergraduate Students Association Council, began, looking at Ms. Beyda at the other end of the room, “how do you see yourself being able to maintain an unbiased view?”

    For the next 40 minutes, after Ms. Beyda was dispatched from the room, the council tangled in a debate about whether her faith and affiliation with Christian organizations, including her sorority and the Newman Society, a popular student group, meant she would be biased in dealing with sensitive governance questions that come before the board, which is the campus equivalent of the Supreme Court.

    Nope.

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    The whole dual-loyalty canard was pretty much put to bed in the US by the early 1960s at the latest
    ---
    The duck makes its appearance.
    , @Art Deco
    Nope.

    I could easily envision an evangelical student subject to such an inquiry, and guiltlessly.

  47. @syonredux
    Incidentally, Steve, love the use of the Leyendecker* art.It perfectly captures the antique aura of Jewish obsessions.I suppose that, to many of them, it's always 1920, and a closed cabal of Harvard-Yale-Princeton WASPs are still ruling the nation.If only that were true.If only men like Henry Cabot Lodge were still steering the ship of state.....

    Joseph Christian Leyendecker (March 23, 1874 – July 25, 1951) was one of the preeminent American illustrators of the early 20th century. He is best known for his poster, book and advertising illustrations, the trade character known as The Arrow Collar Man, and his numerous covers for The Saturday Evening Post.[1][2] Between 1896 and 1950, Leyendecker painted more than 400 magazine covers. During the Golden Age of American Illustration, for The Saturday Evening Post alone, J. C. Leyendecker produced 322 covers, as well as many advertisement illustrations for its interior pages. No other artist, until the arrival of Norman Rockwell two decades later, was so solidly identified with one publication.[3] Leyendecker "virtually invented the whole idea of modern magazine design."[4]
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._C._Leyendecker

    Incidentally, Steve, love the use of the Leyendecker* art.It perfectly captures the antique aura of Jewish obsessions.I suppose that, to many of them, it’s always 1920, and a closed cabal of Harvard-Yale-Princeton WASPs are still ruling the nation.If only that were true.

    If only it were ever true. Jerome Karabel (a seriously pro-semitic scholar on this topic) shows that Harvard’s Jewish population was around 30% in 1925, somewhat giving the lie to the popular Hollywood version of HYP’s traditional ‘WASP exclusivity’ in the 20th Century (See ‘The Chosen’, p.105). This is roughly ten times the Jewish proportion of the general population at the time, and yet we’re forever invited to view this period as The Bad Old Days for the Chosen People in America.

    As another among many such examples, Karabel notes that over 1200 Jews entered Yale during the period between 1900 and 1930, when social exclusion and anti-semitism were allegedly rife (op.cit., p.55).

    Great piece Steve, and your phrase “a notorious redoubt of racoon coat-wearing, Stutz Bearcat-driving WASPs” is as delightful as the illustrations you include.

    Fraulein Roth is about to get schooled on using the “J” word in public. As always, it’s entertaining (in a morbid sort of way) to witness our nation’s most privileged cohort playing victim. And what megaphones they have!

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    "Incidentally, Steve, love the use of the Leyendecker* art.It perfectly captures the antique aura of Jewish obsessions.I suppose that, to many of them, it’s always 1920, and a closed cabal of Harvard-Yale-Princeton WASPs are still ruling the nation.If only that were true."

    If only it were ever true. Jerome Karabel (a seriously pro-semitic scholar on this topic) shows that Harvard’s Jewish population was around 30% in 1925, somewhat giving the lie to the popular Hollywood version of HYP’s traditional ‘WASP exclusivity’ in the 20th Century (See ‘The Chosen’, p.105). This is roughly ten times the Jewish proportion of the general population at the time, and yet we’re forever invited to view this period as The Bad Old Days for the Chosen People in America.
     
    Quite correct; even in the "bad old days," things were not nearly as bad as the Jewish popular imagination would have it.
    , @Jack D
    I think you are leaving something out here - 1925 was the high water mark and then there was a backlash and Jews were mostly excluded from the Ivies for decades after that.

    A Harvard alum/donor wrote to the university's president in 1925: "Naturally, after 25 years, one expects to find many changes, but to find that one's University had become so Hebrewized was a fearful shock. There were Jews to the right of me, Jews to the left of me, in fact they were so obviously everywhere that instead of leaving the Yard with pleasant memories of the past I left with a feeling of utter disgust of the present and grave doubts about the future of my Alma Mater."

    In 1926, the Jewish percentage at Harvard dropped to 15% and then stayed there for decades.

    Just after World War II, Harvard's provost, Paul Buck, argued in several essays that Harvard did not want to become dominated by the "sensitive, neurotic boy," [cough Jews cough] by those who are "intellectually over-stimulated." [cough Jews again cough]. Instead, he said, Harvard should be seeking out boys who are of the "healthy extrovert kind." [cough not Jews cough] In 1950, Yale's president, Alfred Whitney Griswold, reassured alumni that the Yale man of the future would not be a "beetle-browed, highly specialized intellectual [cough Jew cough], but a well-rounded man[cough not Jewish cough]." The same thing is going on now with Asians - America has always had an anti-intellectual bias. Only after the Russians beat us to space with Sputnik did the Ivies realize that handsome jocks were not going to win the Cold War for us (the Manhattan Project was not exactly a haven of Monahans either).

    In 1935 Yale Medical School accepted 76 applicants from a pool of 501. About 200 of those applicants were Jewish and only five got in." Dean Milton Winternitz's [ironically himself of Jewish decent though not a practicing Jew] gave precise instructions: "Never admit more than five Jews, take only two Italian Catholics, and take no blacks at all."

  48. Mike Zwick [AKA "Dahinda"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @syonredux
    Incidentally, Steve, love the use of the Leyendecker* art.It perfectly captures the antique aura of Jewish obsessions.I suppose that, to many of them, it's always 1920, and a closed cabal of Harvard-Yale-Princeton WASPs are still ruling the nation.If only that were true.If only men like Henry Cabot Lodge were still steering the ship of state.....

    Joseph Christian Leyendecker (March 23, 1874 – July 25, 1951) was one of the preeminent American illustrators of the early 20th century. He is best known for his poster, book and advertising illustrations, the trade character known as The Arrow Collar Man, and his numerous covers for The Saturday Evening Post.[1][2] Between 1896 and 1950, Leyendecker painted more than 400 magazine covers. During the Golden Age of American Illustration, for The Saturday Evening Post alone, J. C. Leyendecker produced 322 covers, as well as many advertisement illustrations for its interior pages. No other artist, until the arrival of Norman Rockwell two decades later, was so solidly identified with one publication.[3] Leyendecker "virtually invented the whole idea of modern magazine design."[4]
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._C._Leyendecker

    “a closed cabal of Harvard-Yale-Princeton WASPs are still ruling the nation” This is what political correctness is all about. Stick it to “the man!” Only the PC police don’t realize that these days they are the man!

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  49. Mike Zwick [AKA "Dahinda"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “It’s not what you say,
    but about who you say it!
    That just ain’t the way
    a white boy should play it!”

    Al Campanis Of The Week by Steve Dahl

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  50. @anonymous-antimarxist

    I mean, what else is there to run on in student council elections?
     
    Steve, you attended college during the relative peace of the late seventies, early eighties. By the mid eighties college student governments were all wrapped up in the end Apartheid movement. Besides the Boycott Divest Sanction South Africa initiatives that student councils were always pushing. You should know were these things call shanty towns constructed on the campus mall where the truly upworthy would actually attempt to live for a days even weeks at a time.

    A friend told me that in her journalism classes(aka Cultural Marxism 101), the TWMNBN professors all but spelled it out on the blackboard that you were not getting an A unless you were out front in the BDS SA activities. Nice sitting in a classroom surrounded by classmates sleeping in a shantytown. Hope they showered at the student rec center or would that be the act of a wrecker?

    Now, something tells me that Mr Baral, and Ms Roth and Beyda want to be on the Student Council just to make sure the campus BDS Israel movement does not get out of hand. Better to focus young minds on fighting WWG and WWT, not to mention learning about America's role in the abandonment of the Jews during the Holocaust.

    Perhaps Sheldon and Haim will start handing out campaign contributions, I mean scholarships, er' fellowships, in case they aren't already.


    Oops!!! Sorry some of my fellow isteve-ers might find that border line anti-semitic.

    Hey what do you know!!!!

    SURPRISE!!! SURPRISE!!! SURPRISE!!!

    Well Golly Mr Sailer!!!! Isn't that Google something???

    UCLA Muslim Newsmag Targets Jewish Student
    http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/ucla-muslim-newsmag-targets-jewish-student

    The editorial board of Al-Talib, the Muslim Newsmagazine at UCLA, called on Jewish student Avinoam Baral to disassociate himself from the pro-Israel program Hasbara Fellowships due to the group's alleged Islamophobia. Al-Talib alleged that the Jewish program "actively (contributes) to violence against Muslims" and asked that Baral, who is a candidate for Internal Vice President in upcoming UCLA student elections, separate himself from the program.

    The newsmagazine asked that Baral "publicly distance himself from the organization Hasbara Fellowships because of its association with the production and dissemination of Islamophobic documentaries across the United States. Unless Baral distances himself from an organization that disseminates Islamophobia, ties to anti-Muslim networks will remain accepted in campus life and politics."
     

    As TruthRevolt reported on Wednesday evening, a number candidates for UCLA student government were asked to sign an "ethics statement" prohibiting trips to Israel with Hasbara Fellowships, AIPAC and the ADL. StandWithUs Executive Director Roz Rothstein labeled the attempt "bigoted" and Israel on Campus Coalition Executive Director Jacob Baime hoped that students on campus would "not be intimidated by closed-minded zealots with their heads in the sand."
     
    Oops there is more!!!!


    Pro-Israel appeal to US patriotism fails to halt “historic” California divestment vote


    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/pro-israel-appeal-us-patriotism-fails-halt-historic-california-divestment-vote


    At a rally outside, student body president Avinoam Baral, whose scandal-plagued election campaign was financed by Islamophobic anti-Palestinian property tycoon and convicted tax evader Adam Milstein, declared that the divestment resolution was “anti-Semitic.
     

    It looks like the Swiss Miss Roth did not want UCLA’s student council simply taken over by either BDS Israel supporters and more likely opponents.

    Ms Roth seems to have walked perhaps naively into the ADL buzzsaw.

    It seems like a ridiculous amount of money was being spent on influencing UCLA student council elections in opposition to the BDS Israel movement.

    Funny how the NYT does not tell you this????

    Here is Brietbart from a month ago:

    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/03/01/ucla-student-government-candidate-attacked-for-being-jewish/

    Anyway looks like for now things have blown up in anti-BDS folks faces.

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    Ms Roth seems to have walked perhaps naively into the ADL buzzsaw.

    No, Miss Roth elected to play the ass-clown and other people pointed it out.
  51. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    The names of the 4 that voted against the Jewish girl, from their “apology” letter:

    Manjot Singh
    Sofia Moreno Haq
    Fabienne Roth
    Negeen Sadeghi-Movahed

    2 seconds…
    …is the amount of time it will take the average iSteve reader to answer the following question:
    Which one of those names was mentioned in the NY Times article?

    Those four names are the story.

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    If the NYT had published those names, especially early on in its article, the whole event would have become a non-event for all but the most rabid readers.
    , @Art Deco
    There is not much distinction between the Times and state media in their modus operandi.
  52. Steve, you either don’t know, or are ignoring the elephant in the room.

    MUSLIMS!

    UCI is a no-go zone for Jewish students. Muslims there make life miserable, harassing students who are “visibly” Jewish, passing various BDS (Boycott, Divest, Sanctions) measures against Israel, famously invading a speech by the Israeli consul and assaulting audience members.

    Diversity = LOTS OF MUSLIMS.

    Personally, “noticing” I see Muslims EVERYWHERE in OC where back in the 90′s I saw almost none, and in the early 2000s very few. My local pharmacy (CVS) has a Muslim woman in a hijab.

    UCLA and other public universities in California are a perfect storm: Muslims driving hard-left stuff against Jews. There is no place for Jewish students with any visible part of Jewish identity: names, Sabbath Observance, etc. without constant harassment. Muslims like their Jihad very, very much, and while they may not go full Chechen they are quite adept at lower levels of jihad.

    There are a lot of Jews in the entertainment industry, and increasingly those Jews are going to be coming full Titanic/Iceberg encounter with the force of Muslims in the Universities feeding into entertainment. For example, lets say a Muslim producer on a TV show (there as part of Diversity outreach) vetoes publicly (because that’s what Muslims do — they like a public Jihad not smoke signals in the lands of the Kuffar) hiring a Jewish actor — because he’s Jewish.

    What can Jews do? According to PC and Diversity Dogma, discrimination by say, Muslims cannot and does not exist. Anymore than White working class pre-teen girls in Rotherham or Oxfordshire ever get raped and forced into prostitution. Officially you can’t notice.

    Anti-Jewish UCLA/UC sentiment is driven 100% by Muslims. Whatever quotas great-grandpa faced by WASPS (which in fact did exist, FWIW) 70 years ago is irrelevant to not getting hired because a Muslim producer is on jihad again, or a mid-level Hollywood Jewish entertainment figure has his kid harassed at UC for being Jewish. [Muslims trump Jews in Diversity and PC status hierarchies, just as Blacks and Hispanics do.]

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    You underestimate the Jews in Hollywood. To get a sense of it, as one of them told me once, "The Israelis are the Arabs of the Jews."
  53. Follow up: UCI demographics here.

    Whites are 18%, Asians 48.3 (this includes Pakistani etc.), Hispanic 24%, 2% Black, etc.

    Chinese don’t care about Jews. Malaysians, Indonesians, Pakistanis, not so much.

    Obama’s DOJ dismissed the suit against UCI for anti-semitism here:

    “Susan Tuchman, director of the Zionist Organization’s Center for Law and Justice, expressed disappointment at the decision and said her group was considering its options.

    “The way in which the situation is portrayed in the letters does not reflect the seriousness of the problems that those students endured for years,” Tuchman said.

    The next step would be filing a federal lawsuit, according to the U.S. Department of Education.

    In its complaint, the Zionist Organization documented instances of Jewish students called “slut” and “animal” during heated exchanges at pro-Palestinian campus events, of a camera “repeatedly pushed” in the face of a Jewish student journalist as she attempted to document a Palestinian event, and of a Jewish student who transferred to a new dorm after receiving “unwelcoming looks” from Muslim students.”

    UC Irvine discord came to a dramatic head in 2010, when 11 Muslim students were arrested after they disrupted a speech at UC Irvine by the Israeli ambassador to the United States. Charges were dismissed against one student; the other 10 were found guilty by a Santa Ana jury and given community service.

    The case sparked dueling campus demonstrations and also led to a months-long university suspension of UC Irvine’s Muslim Student Union.

    Late last year, pro-Palestinian student activists pushed UC Irvine’s student government to approve a nonbinding resolution urging the university to financially divest from companies that profit from Israel’s claim to Palestinian-occupied land. Although the resolution was passed, campus officials said they would continue to invest in the companies.

    UC Irvine senior Erum Siddiqui, a political science and sociology major, said students are not as divided as it might seem.

    “It’s not like there’s any hostility between students on campus,” said Siddiqui, 21, vice president of the UCI Muslim Student Union. “We talk and debate; we’re passionate on issues like the occupation of Palestine.”

    Still, she added, there was still room at UC Irvine to improve relations and understanding between the two parties.

    “There’s always more work to be done,” she said.
    ———————————

    My guess, you won’t have too much campus comity for Jews with enough students named Siddiqui. Just my guess. And all the diveristy happy talk won’t fix that either.

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  54. @syonredux

    Jews are treated, particularly in comparison with other groups that are more typically viewed as victims of discrimination, such as African-Americans and gays and lesbians.
     
    Well, let's start by saying that no group in American society has been as victimized* as Blacks.They are the gold standard.So, not getting into the right fraternity/sorority or country club is pretty small potatoes when compared to slavery, Jim Crow, lynching**, etc.

    As for homosexuals, does anyone think that elite Gays like Lucius Beebe had much in common with the Black American experience?:

    Lucius Morris Beebe (December 9, 1902 – February 4, 1966) was an American author, gourmand, photographer, railroad historian, journalist, and syndicated columnist.

    Beebe was born in Wakefield, Massachusetts, to a prominent Boston family.[1] Beebe attended both Harvard University and Yale University, where he contributed to campus humor magazine The Yale Record.[2] During his tenure at boarding school and university, Beebe was known for his numerous pranks. One of his more outrageous stunts included an attempt at festooning J. P. Morgan's yacht Corsair with toilet paper from a chartered airplane.[3] His pranks were not without consequence and he proudly noted that he had the sole distinction of having been expelled from both Harvard and Yale, at the insistence, respectively, of the president and dean of each.[4]

    A noted boulevardier, Beebe had an impressive and baroque wardrobe. Beebe's clothing included 40 suits, at least two mink-lined overcoats, numerous top hats and bowlers, a collection of doeskin gloves, walking sticks and a substantial gold nugget watch chain.[11] Columnist Walter Winchell referred to Beebe and his wardrobe as "Luscious Lucius."[11] Beebe's sartorial splendor was recognized when he appeared in full formal day attire on the cover of Life over the title of "Lucius Beebe Sets a Style."[12] [1]

    Many of Beebe's articles and columns addressed men's traditional fashion. He was especially fond of English bespoke tailoring and shoes and wrote glowing articles about noted court tailor Henry Poole and Company and noted bootmaker John Lobb, whom he patronized on a regular basis. He also liked ties, particularly from Charvet in Paris,[13] men's hats and wrote of the history of the bowler hat.[14]

    In 1940, Beebe met Charles Clegg while both were houseguests at the Washington, D.C. home of Evalyn Walsh McLean. The two soon developed a personal and professional relationship that continued for the rest of Beebe's life. By the standards of the era, the romantic relationship Beebe and Clegg shared was relatively open and well-known.[15] Previously, Beebe had been involved with society photographer Jerome Zerbe.

    The pair initially lived in New York City, where both men were prominent in café society circles. Eventually tiring of that social life, the two moved in 1950 to Virginia City, Nevada, a tiny community that had once been a fabled mining boomtown.[16] There, they reactivated and began publishing the Territorial Enterprise, a fabled 19th century newspaper that had once been the employer of Mark Twain. Beebe and Clegg shared a renovated mansion in the town, traveled extensively, and remained prominent in social circles.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Beebe

     

    Seems to me that Blacks living in the Jim Crow South or the segregated North of the period would have killed to have enjoyed a lifestyle like Beebe's ....





    *Amerinds are the only group that comes close, but their experience was quite difference.Amerinds were simultaneously more hated/feared and more admired/respected than Blacks were.


    **Gotta give Jews credit, though.They've milked the Leo Frank case for all that it's worth.Of course, Frank's Jewishness had roughly zero to do with his lynching.And he is the only Jewish lynching victim.In contrast, Sicilians have 11 victims:

    David C. Hennessy (1858 – October 16, 1890) was a police chief of New Orleans, Louisiana. His assassination in 1890 led to a sensational trial. A group of not guilty verdicts shocked the nation, and an enormous mob formed outside the prison the next day. The prison doors were forced open and 11 of 19 Italian men who had been indicted for Hennessy's murder were lynched.
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hennessy

    **Gotta give Jews credit, though.They’ve milked the Leo Frank case for all that it’s worth.Of course, Frank’s Jewishness had roughly zero to do with his lynching.And he is the only Jewish lynching victim.

    You’re forgetting Michael Schwerner and Andrew Goodman.

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    You’re forgetting Michael Schwerner and Andrew Goodman.
     
    They weren't lynched; they were murdered for their anti-Jim Crow activities.Lynching is a very specific type of crime.
  55. @syonredux

    Jews are treated, particularly in comparison with other groups that are more typically viewed as victims of discrimination, such as African-Americans and gays and lesbians.
     
    Well, let's start by saying that no group in American society has been as victimized* as Blacks.They are the gold standard.So, not getting into the right fraternity/sorority or country club is pretty small potatoes when compared to slavery, Jim Crow, lynching**, etc.

    As for homosexuals, does anyone think that elite Gays like Lucius Beebe had much in common with the Black American experience?:

    Lucius Morris Beebe (December 9, 1902 – February 4, 1966) was an American author, gourmand, photographer, railroad historian, journalist, and syndicated columnist.

    Beebe was born in Wakefield, Massachusetts, to a prominent Boston family.[1] Beebe attended both Harvard University and Yale University, where he contributed to campus humor magazine The Yale Record.[2] During his tenure at boarding school and university, Beebe was known for his numerous pranks. One of his more outrageous stunts included an attempt at festooning J. P. Morgan's yacht Corsair with toilet paper from a chartered airplane.[3] His pranks were not without consequence and he proudly noted that he had the sole distinction of having been expelled from both Harvard and Yale, at the insistence, respectively, of the president and dean of each.[4]

    A noted boulevardier, Beebe had an impressive and baroque wardrobe. Beebe's clothing included 40 suits, at least two mink-lined overcoats, numerous top hats and bowlers, a collection of doeskin gloves, walking sticks and a substantial gold nugget watch chain.[11] Columnist Walter Winchell referred to Beebe and his wardrobe as "Luscious Lucius."[11] Beebe's sartorial splendor was recognized when he appeared in full formal day attire on the cover of Life over the title of "Lucius Beebe Sets a Style."[12] [1]

    Many of Beebe's articles and columns addressed men's traditional fashion. He was especially fond of English bespoke tailoring and shoes and wrote glowing articles about noted court tailor Henry Poole and Company and noted bootmaker John Lobb, whom he patronized on a regular basis. He also liked ties, particularly from Charvet in Paris,[13] men's hats and wrote of the history of the bowler hat.[14]

    In 1940, Beebe met Charles Clegg while both were houseguests at the Washington, D.C. home of Evalyn Walsh McLean. The two soon developed a personal and professional relationship that continued for the rest of Beebe's life. By the standards of the era, the romantic relationship Beebe and Clegg shared was relatively open and well-known.[15] Previously, Beebe had been involved with society photographer Jerome Zerbe.

    The pair initially lived in New York City, where both men were prominent in café society circles. Eventually tiring of that social life, the two moved in 1950 to Virginia City, Nevada, a tiny community that had once been a fabled mining boomtown.[16] There, they reactivated and began publishing the Territorial Enterprise, a fabled 19th century newspaper that had once been the employer of Mark Twain. Beebe and Clegg shared a renovated mansion in the town, traveled extensively, and remained prominent in social circles.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Beebe

     

    Seems to me that Blacks living in the Jim Crow South or the segregated North of the period would have killed to have enjoyed a lifestyle like Beebe's ....





    *Amerinds are the only group that comes close, but their experience was quite difference.Amerinds were simultaneously more hated/feared and more admired/respected than Blacks were.


    **Gotta give Jews credit, though.They've milked the Leo Frank case for all that it's worth.Of course, Frank's Jewishness had roughly zero to do with his lynching.And he is the only Jewish lynching victim.In contrast, Sicilians have 11 victims:

    David C. Hennessy (1858 – October 16, 1890) was a police chief of New Orleans, Louisiana. His assassination in 1890 led to a sensational trial. A group of not guilty verdicts shocked the nation, and an enormous mob formed outside the prison the next day. The prison doors were forced open and 11 of 19 Italian men who had been indicted for Hennessy's murder were lynched.
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hennessy

    J.C. Leyendecker, who painted the most spectacular of these pictures, enjoyed a luxurious lifestyle, too. Although you have to admit the man worked hard for his money.

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    RE:J.C. Leyendecker,

    You might be interested to know that his work is rather popular among aesthetically minded college girls. I've seen his work hanging right next to the obligatory Audrey Hepburn posters in quite a few bedrooms.
  56. We have to assume that Nagourney and the Times consciously or not are seeking to protect Israel from the BDS movement, and joining in the irresponsible effort to smear the movement as anti-Semitic. As Israel becomes more isolated internationally, this trend will only continue.

    – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/03/reports-sentiment-nationwide#sthash.gAGHugbt.dpuf

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  57. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “Haven Monahan” is a pretty clever fiction. The “Haven” quite correctly invokes old Wasp power and privilege: Haven Emerson was the son of Ralph Waldo’s brother William, and Haven might well still be used by that branch of one of America’s iconic Wasp families. But Wasps are gentle creatures, far more so than has proved good for them, and some toughness was needed to make the name a bit more plausible. What better for that than an Irish touch: charm, brawn, and dangerously irresistible good looks all rolled into one. Kudos to Jackie!
    As for the Jews and their unending war against their betters: I once knew a New York City born and bred Jew, who, the son of an immigrant from Lithuania turned NYC high school teacher, had had English grammar and a sense of drive so drilled into him that he went on to Harvard, marriage with an heiress, and an entirely unnecessary nose job.
    My own people have been in California for well over a hundred years, but we did start in New York, so I told him that an ancestor had been a founder of the Century Association, a club he had just praised. He looked at me blankly and said: “But I thought it was a Jewish club!”. My response, that exclusion to hegemony in two generations was typical of his race, turned his blank stare into an angry one.
    But the anger didn’t last because, to do him credit, he was an honest man, and he knew I was right.

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    My response, that exclusion to hegemony in two generations was typical of his race

    What does this mean?
  58. @syonredux
    Incidentally, Steve, love the use of the Leyendecker* art.It perfectly captures the antique aura of Jewish obsessions.I suppose that, to many of them, it's always 1920, and a closed cabal of Harvard-Yale-Princeton WASPs are still ruling the nation.If only that were true.If only men like Henry Cabot Lodge were still steering the ship of state.....

    Joseph Christian Leyendecker (March 23, 1874 – July 25, 1951) was one of the preeminent American illustrators of the early 20th century. He is best known for his poster, book and advertising illustrations, the trade character known as The Arrow Collar Man, and his numerous covers for The Saturday Evening Post.[1][2] Between 1896 and 1950, Leyendecker painted more than 400 magazine covers. During the Golden Age of American Illustration, for The Saturday Evening Post alone, J. C. Leyendecker produced 322 covers, as well as many advertisement illustrations for its interior pages. No other artist, until the arrival of Norman Rockwell two decades later, was so solidly identified with one publication.[3] Leyendecker "virtually invented the whole idea of modern magazine design."[4]
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._C._Leyendecker

    I think the UCLA incident shows the exact opposite – just when Jews in America start to relax and think they are fully accepted as fellow Americans, something like this comes around to prove to them that their position is still not quite secure, that it’s never really over. How were the questions asked of the Jewish student today different than those that might have been asked by one of the Arrow Shirt Men in 1920? And instead of WASPY “Arabists” in the State Dept., you have one in the White House.

    Now, in the American context today, realistically Jews have much more to fear from “liberals” than they do from “conservatives” (though frankly some of the characters around here scare me, or they would if I didn’t know they were sitting in their underwear in their mother’s basement) but this is sort of cold comfort, the way that America is trending racially and politically (notwithstanding the blip of the 2014 elections). And although SOME Jews are starting to see the light and understand the threat that the left represents, those in the older generation especially are not going to join the party of Bull Conner (oh, oops sorry, he was a Democrat), I mean of Barry Goldwater – the Democrat Party for them is already a move to the right from their parents who belonged to the CPUSA. And even if those bible thumpers love Israel, they are so icky and tacky and uncool and obsessed with fetuses. Personally, I am not confident that the white people of America will ever get their act together again, nor am I entire sure that I would really like it if I did – the obsessions of the far right are sometimes just as distasteful and possibly outright dangerous as those of the far left. It would be nice if the US could return to a centrist Eisenhower type of rule where all the fringes (both left and right) were pushed to the margins but what are the odds of that happening – both parties now depend on their bases and big donors and no one really represents just plain Americans.

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    And even if those bible thumpers love Israel, they are so icky and tacky and uncool and obsessed with fetuses

    You know, I wish my Southern brethren would stop offering to pony up billions in spending and fight Israel's wars for them, so Israelis wouldn't have the distasteful experience of having to acknowledge such icky, tacky people. It must be so unpleasant for them.
    , @Anonymous
    I think the UCLA incident shows the exact opposite – just when Jews in America start to relax and think they are fully accepted as fellow Americans, something like this comes around to prove to them that their position is still not quite secure, that it’s never really over.

    If an adherent to any other category of White supremacism had been questioned by the council about possible bias toward his group, no one would have objected. A Zionist seeking public office should be approached no differently than someone from the South Africa apartheid party or the KKK would be.

    Jewish privilege on full display in this "incident."
    , @Kyle McKenna

    I think the UCLA incident shows the exact opposite – just when Jews in America start to relax and think they are fully accepted as fellow Americans, something like this comes around to prove to them that their position is still not quite secure, that it’s never really over.
     
    I doubt you missed the Pew Survey in which Americans chose Jews as their most very favorite group of all.

    Despite the home-team advantage of the Christians in the survey, who made up more than two-thirds of the sample, Jews got the highest overall ratings. A good chunk of the respondents said they don't even know any Jewish people...
    http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/07/americans-just-think-jews-are-the-coolest/374530/
     
    And yes, the author trots out Leo Frank. But he's less than forthcoming with respect to why Jews are so popular in America today.
    , @SFG
    American fascism is more likely to take a Christian aspect, so you'll probably be able to save your butt by converting. I always thought the Christian religion made more sense anyway--never made sense to me God had different expectations for you depending on who your mother was.

    What bothers me is the Sensitivity Brigade. If you read the article, the gal got confirmed, but had some uncomfortable questions. People seem to believe they have the right to never have their feelings hurt. Freedom of speech seems passe on the left--it's all about intersectionality and safe spaces-- which really bothers me.
  59. @Alfa158
    Following the Leyendecker Wikilink: I guess that explains why the men in his illustrations are so beautiful.
    Does the man on the left in the second drawing captioned "UCLA Students" look rather mixed race to anyone else?.

    I think he might be intended to look like 1920s golf champion Gene Sarazen, a Sicilian-American former caddy.

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    “Monahan” is an Irish name, not a WASP one. I could see though how some airhead might think it’s some sort of classy WASP name.

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  61. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Alfa158
    Following the Leyendecker Wikilink: I guess that explains why the men in his illustrations are so beautiful.
    Does the man on the left in the second drawing captioned "UCLA Students" look rather mixed race to anyone else?.

    I think that explains why the second drawing captioned “UCLA Students” looks so homoerotic.

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    @Desiderius

    Not too many years ago there was talk of ‘compassion fatigue’ — I’m hoping that concept somehow makes a comeback.
     
    The victimization Olympics were never about compassion in the first place. It's about distinguishing oneself from the unwashed masses. The only way out is making wallowing in one's victimization passe. This appears to be Steve's strategy.

    The concept of being comfortable discussing how much of a victim one is is completely foreign to me. I guess I was raised with the old American “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” mentality (which the media and the field of psychology have discredited, I suppose to make people comfortable basking in their victimhood) and to not to whine or make excuses for myself. This is completely opposite from the mindset that seems to be the winning one for groups and individuals these days. However, I don’t see how it can be good for the well-being of the country.

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    I guess I was raised with the old American “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” mentality (which the media and the field of psychology have discredited, I suppose to make people comfortable basking in their victimhood) and to not to whine or make excuses for myself. This is completely opposite from the mindset that seems to be the winning one for groups and individuals these days. However, I don’t see how it can be good for the well-being of the country.
     
    You can't see it because it's not.

    The con works like this: status still goes to the one with the stiffest upper lip - it's human nature and also very much a part of the American mythos. The one who condescends to help the oppressed is thereby recognized as higher status than the oppressed themselves, or it wouldn't be (con)descent in the first place.

    Likewise, the new kids on the block who fall for the goodies of the victimization Olympics thereby reveal themselves as lower status and disqualify themselves from the status they ostensibly sought in the first place.

    It's a catch 22: the only "authentic" minorities are those who cast themselves as oppressed, but in so casting themselves, they are disqualified from participating in the American Dream of social mobility.
  63. I can’t think of a people more despised by those they love.

    It’s like the hatred a woman has for her beta orbiter writ large.

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  64. Politicking is not mostly about getting Jewish votes, it’s about getting Jewish money to buy Gentile votes.

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  65. @syonredux

    Jews are treated, particularly in comparison with other groups that are more typically viewed as victims of discrimination, such as African-Americans and gays and lesbians.
     
    Well, let's start by saying that no group in American society has been as victimized* as Blacks.They are the gold standard.So, not getting into the right fraternity/sorority or country club is pretty small potatoes when compared to slavery, Jim Crow, lynching**, etc.

    As for homosexuals, does anyone think that elite Gays like Lucius Beebe had much in common with the Black American experience?:

    Lucius Morris Beebe (December 9, 1902 – February 4, 1966) was an American author, gourmand, photographer, railroad historian, journalist, and syndicated columnist.

    Beebe was born in Wakefield, Massachusetts, to a prominent Boston family.[1] Beebe attended both Harvard University and Yale University, where he contributed to campus humor magazine The Yale Record.[2] During his tenure at boarding school and university, Beebe was known for his numerous pranks. One of his more outrageous stunts included an attempt at festooning J. P. Morgan's yacht Corsair with toilet paper from a chartered airplane.[3] His pranks were not without consequence and he proudly noted that he had the sole distinction of having been expelled from both Harvard and Yale, at the insistence, respectively, of the president and dean of each.[4]

    A noted boulevardier, Beebe had an impressive and baroque wardrobe. Beebe's clothing included 40 suits, at least two mink-lined overcoats, numerous top hats and bowlers, a collection of doeskin gloves, walking sticks and a substantial gold nugget watch chain.[11] Columnist Walter Winchell referred to Beebe and his wardrobe as "Luscious Lucius."[11] Beebe's sartorial splendor was recognized when he appeared in full formal day attire on the cover of Life over the title of "Lucius Beebe Sets a Style."[12] [1]

    Many of Beebe's articles and columns addressed men's traditional fashion. He was especially fond of English bespoke tailoring and shoes and wrote glowing articles about noted court tailor Henry Poole and Company and noted bootmaker John Lobb, whom he patronized on a regular basis. He also liked ties, particularly from Charvet in Paris,[13] men's hats and wrote of the history of the bowler hat.[14]

    In 1940, Beebe met Charles Clegg while both were houseguests at the Washington, D.C. home of Evalyn Walsh McLean. The two soon developed a personal and professional relationship that continued for the rest of Beebe's life. By the standards of the era, the romantic relationship Beebe and Clegg shared was relatively open and well-known.[15] Previously, Beebe had been involved with society photographer Jerome Zerbe.

    The pair initially lived in New York City, where both men were prominent in café society circles. Eventually tiring of that social life, the two moved in 1950 to Virginia City, Nevada, a tiny community that had once been a fabled mining boomtown.[16] There, they reactivated and began publishing the Territorial Enterprise, a fabled 19th century newspaper that had once been the employer of Mark Twain. Beebe and Clegg shared a renovated mansion in the town, traveled extensively, and remained prominent in social circles.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Beebe

     

    Seems to me that Blacks living in the Jim Crow South or the segregated North of the period would have killed to have enjoyed a lifestyle like Beebe's ....





    *Amerinds are the only group that comes close, but their experience was quite difference.Amerinds were simultaneously more hated/feared and more admired/respected than Blacks were.


    **Gotta give Jews credit, though.They've milked the Leo Frank case for all that it's worth.Of course, Frank's Jewishness had roughly zero to do with his lynching.And he is the only Jewish lynching victim.In contrast, Sicilians have 11 victims:

    David C. Hennessy (1858 – October 16, 1890) was a police chief of New Orleans, Louisiana. His assassination in 1890 led to a sensational trial. A group of not guilty verdicts shocked the nation, and an enormous mob formed outside the prison the next day. The prison doors were forced open and 11 of 19 Italian men who had been indicted for Hennessy's murder were lynched.
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hennessy

    PBS had a 4 hour series on Italian Americans. It was your standard Immigrants as victims Cultural Marxist propaganda.

    Funny how you never hear Italian Americans playing the victimization card over the aftermath of the Hennessy murder trial resulting in the lynching of a bunch of mafia thugs. Guess us Sicilians/Italians were too busy assimilating. Having few illusions about the nature of the mafia and understanding it was one of the major motivating factors for emigrating to America in the first place does not hurt. There is a reason why so many 2nd and 3rd generation Italians, think Rudy Giuliani, were attracted to law enforcement careers. Italians understand lack of rule of law was the major reason Southern Italy was so backward relative to the talents of its people.

    One case where I agree with Michael Barrone, there are a few things that other immigrant groups could learn from Italian Americans.

    There is one major difference between the Hennessy and Leo Frank. The lynched Italians were never convicted, probably due to witness intimidation and perhaps jury tampering.

    Leo Frank was convicted in a fair trial using the best criminal justice standards of his day and his conviction was exhaustively reviewed and upheld. Leo Frank was lynched in a fit of popular outrage over the political intervention on his behalf by Jewish elites (think NYT) resulting in commuting of his execution in part on grounds of unsubstantiated charges of anti-Semitism through the buying off of key Georgia politicians including and especially the Governor.

    Was Frank found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt? Not by today’s standards but I think he got a more than fair trial by standards of a hundred years ago.

    Funny how lots of folks think that Leo Frank was dragged out of his pencil factory and hung with out even a trial.

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    Italian-Americans seem to have a quite wide range of opinions on immigration policy, and are more individualistic and future-oriented in coming up with their personal views than several other large groups.
    , @Jack D
    >Funny how lots of folks think that Leo Frank was dragged out of his pencil factory and hung with out even a trial.

    If you were hung by a lynch mob AFTER your trial, I'm sure you would feel much better about it.
    , @Art Deco
    Leo Frank was convicted in a fair trial using the best criminal justice standards of his day and his conviction was exhaustively reviewed and upheld. Leo Frank was lynched in a fit of popular outrage over the political intervention on his behalf by Jewish elites (think NYT) resulting in commuting of his execution in part on grounds of unsubstantiated charges of anti-Semitism through the buying off of key Georgia politicians including and especially the Governor.

    Appellate courts review questions of law. There was no 'exhaustive review' of the evidence against Frank (the testimony of one man who could not tell the same story twice) by any party other than the Governor of Georgia, who commuted his sentence because he thought Frank wasn't guilty, not because he was bribed or tricked by bunch of yids.
  66. @LMH
    >So, not getting into the right fraternity/sorority or country club is pretty small potatoes when compared to slavery, Jim Crow, lynching

    Slavery ended in the 19th century, and affected a marginal proportion of the world's blacks. The Holocaust ended within our (grand)parents' lifetime, and killed fully 1/3 of the world's jews -- that's not counting the jews who were merely enslaved or merely lost their livelihoods and had their property confiscated.

    Then, while blacks went on to benefit from affirmative action, jews had the privilege of being the "old Asians."

    Jews can claim the mantle of most-oppressed group, easily.

    Slavery ended in the 19th century, and affected a marginal proportion of the world’s blacks.

    Jews can claim the mantle of most-oppressed group, easily.

    There is a basic difference between Slavery in the United States and the Holocaust in Europe. Think about it: the answer is in my comment.

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    There is a basic difference between Slavery in the United States and the Holocaust in Europe. Think about it: the answer is in my comment.

    There is a basic difference between all different things. I'm not seeing the relevance of World War 2 to this discussion. Can you explain?
  67. @anonymous-antimarxist
    PBS had a 4 hour series on Italian Americans. It was your standard Immigrants as victims Cultural Marxist propaganda.

    Funny how you never hear Italian Americans playing the victimization card over the aftermath of the Hennessy murder trial resulting in the lynching of a bunch of mafia thugs. Guess us Sicilians/Italians were too busy assimilating. Having few illusions about the nature of the mafia and understanding it was one of the major motivating factors for emigrating to America in the first place does not hurt. There is a reason why so many 2nd and 3rd generation Italians, think Rudy Giuliani, were attracted to law enforcement careers. Italians understand lack of rule of law was the major reason Southern Italy was so backward relative to the talents of its people.

    One case where I agree with Michael Barrone, there are a few things that other immigrant groups could learn from Italian Americans.

    There is one major difference between the Hennessy and Leo Frank. The lynched Italians were never convicted, probably due to witness intimidation and perhaps jury tampering.

    Leo Frank was convicted in a fair trial using the best criminal justice standards of his day and his conviction was exhaustively reviewed and upheld. Leo Frank was lynched in a fit of popular outrage over the political intervention on his behalf by Jewish elites (think NYT) resulting in commuting of his execution in part on grounds of unsubstantiated charges of anti-Semitism through the buying off of key Georgia politicians including and especially the Governor.

    Was Frank found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt? Not by today's standards but I think he got a more than fair trial by standards of a hundred years ago.

    Funny how lots of folks think that Leo Frank was dragged out of his pencil factory and hung with out even a trial.

    Italian-Americans seem to have a quite wide range of opinions on immigration policy, and are more individualistic and future-oriented in coming up with their personal views than several other large groups.

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    are more individualistic and future-oriented
     
    I think the key to being future-oriented is not having illusions about one's past.

    Many Sicilians came to America because their families fell into debt and essentially had no other option but to sell their own children into indentured servitude, think mining sulfur and saltpeter for the armaments industry. The mafia basically had made certain any sort of personal not to mention commercial banking impossible. It was after all their turf. This made any economic develop very difficult.

    My grandfather fled Sicily because he would have much better odds paying off the family debt in American than back home. Grandpa went back to Sicily homesick and thinking he had paid off all the debt, "vig" included. Found out the gang back home wanted more cash for the rights for him to stick around. Worked out a deal to marry grandma and never looked back.

    Except for a limited and brief flirtation with the anarchist movement, eg. Sacco and Vanzetti, Italians have adopted relatively well to capitalism. Funny how the Jewish Marxists made Sacco and Vanzetti into the foundation myth of the ACLU and CPUSA and worship them even today, think Howard Zinn. Few Italians today even know who Sacco and Vanzetti were. Anyway some Italians went on to found major financial institutions like BofA

    Last, I just don't think "whining" is very much a part of most Sicilians/Italians genetic makeup. That may be another key to assimilation.

    Derbyshire likes to mention the song Shaddap You Face by Joe Dolce. I think it rings true.

    What'sa matta you, hey
    Gotta no respect, whatta you think you do
    Why you looka so sad?
    It's-a not so bad, it's-a nice-a place
    Ah, shaddap you face


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFacWGBJ_cs
  68. @fondolo
    Haven Monahan is no WASP. The Monahans are Papists.

    Haven Monahan is one of those hyphenated Americans that Teddy Roosevelt used to rail against. He is a Fictitious-American.

    Fictitious-Americans are a bad lot: they do no work, they pay no taxes, they will not help you out in any kind of an emergency. A bunch of zeroes is my opinion of them, nullities.

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    UCLA student council leaders plotting behind closed doors

    Is that Haven Monahan and Holden McGroin?

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  70. @Carl

    But Berman should have gotten reapportioned out in 2002 in favor of a Mexican, but his brother
     
    This may sound ridiculous, but Steve's regular grammatical errors diminish my confidence in his arguments by 5-10% There, I said it.

    Yup, ridiculous.

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  71. “particularly about divided loyalties — that have plagued Jews across the globe for centuries”

    don’t we have a whole congress full of people like that…..even the ones that aren’t Jewish?

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    @SPMoore8
    Slavery ended in the 19th century, and affected a marginal proportion of the world’s blacks.

    Jews can claim the mantle of most-oppressed group, easily.

    There is a basic difference between Slavery in the United States and the Holocaust in Europe. Think about it: the answer is in my comment.

    There is a basic difference between Slavery in the United States and the Holocaust in Europe. Think about it: the answer is in my comment.

    There is a basic difference between all different things. I’m not seeing the relevance of World War 2 to this discussion. Can you explain?

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    Slavery happened in America. The Holocaust (or World War Two with its attendant atrocities, if you want to put it that way) did not.

    Syon's whole point was that Jewish victimology in the history of the United States was something of a stretch, especially given the maltreatment given out to non-Whites in our history. I strongly concur. He elaborated in a further reply, below.
  73. @Jack D
    >Frank’s Jewishness had roughly zero to do with his lynching...

    Yes, that's correct, just like the Muslim guy happened to shoot up a kosher supermarket in Paris. It could have been any supermarket. It was just a coincidence that half of the Jews living in Georgia moved out of state immediately after the lynching and the rest took measure to make themselves invisible as Jews.

    It was just a coincidence that half of the Jews living in Georgia moved out of state immediately after the lynching and the rest took measure to make themselves invisible as Jews.

    http://georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu/topics/history/article/the-leo-frank-case/the-leo-frank-case

    November 25, 1915 – the Knights of Mary Phagan met atop Stone Mountain, burned a cross, and initiated the new invisible order of the Ku Klux Klan. Soon thereafter the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith was founded in New York; its founding was based largely on the Leo Frank case and its aftermath. Ironically, Leo Frank had been president of the Atlanta chapter of B’nai B’rith. It must be noted here that the Phagan family has not condoned Klan activity, especially in regards to Mary. In fact the family expressly forbade a Klan request to hold a ceremony at Mary Phagan’s grave site.

    Ok a bunch of morons burned a cross.

    I think perhaps hundreds of Jews left Georgia , but “half” is surely ADL propaganda.

    Atlanta had a large Jewish community well before the Civil War and it continued to thrive long after the Frank case.

    Ever see “Driving Miss Daisy”? I don’t think It was not far off the mark.

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    From the wiki on Leo Frank

    After Frank's lynching, around half of Georgia's 3,000 Jews left the state.[104]

    104 ^ Theoharis and Cox 1988, p. 45.



    Theoharis, Athan, and John Stuart Cox. The Boss: J. Edgar Hoover and the Great American Inquisition. Temple University Press, 1988.

    Theoharis and Cox don't sound like they are members of the ADL to me.

    But if you watched Driving Miss Daisy, you are surely more of an expert on this than they are.
  74. @Jack D
    I think the UCLA incident shows the exact opposite - just when Jews in America start to relax and think they are fully accepted as fellow Americans, something like this comes around to prove to them that their position is still not quite secure, that it's never really over. How were the questions asked of the Jewish student today different than those that might have been asked by one of the Arrow Shirt Men in 1920? And instead of WASPY "Arabists" in the State Dept., you have one in the White House.

    Now, in the American context today, realistically Jews have much more to fear from "liberals" than they do from "conservatives" (though frankly some of the characters around here scare me, or they would if I didn't know they were sitting in their underwear in their mother's basement) but this is sort of cold comfort, the way that America is trending racially and politically (notwithstanding the blip of the 2014 elections). And although SOME Jews are starting to see the light and understand the threat that the left represents, those in the older generation especially are not going to join the party of Bull Conner (oh, oops sorry, he was a Democrat), I mean of Barry Goldwater - the Democrat Party for them is already a move to the right from their parents who belonged to the CPUSA. And even if those bible thumpers love Israel, they are so icky and tacky and uncool and obsessed with fetuses. Personally, I am not confident that the white people of America will ever get their act together again, nor am I entire sure that I would really like it if I did - the obsessions of the far right are sometimes just as distasteful and possibly outright dangerous as those of the far left. It would be nice if the US could return to a centrist Eisenhower type of rule where all the fringes (both left and right) were pushed to the margins but what are the odds of that happening - both parties now depend on their bases and big donors and no one really represents just plain Americans.

    And even if those bible thumpers love Israel, they are so icky and tacky and uncool and obsessed with fetuses

    You know, I wish my Southern brethren would stop offering to pony up billions in spending and fight Israel’s wars for them, so Israelis wouldn’t have the distasteful experience of having to acknowledge such icky, tacky people. It must be so unpleasant for them.

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    Most Israelis LOVE Christian fundamentalists - they get along great. It's liberal American Jews that have a strained relationship with them, especially the kind of Jews who find Bibi to be hawkish and icky too.
    , @Art Deco
    I wish my Southern brethren would stop offering to pony up billions in spending and fight Israel’s wars for them

    --

    Security assistance to Israel amounts to about 1/3 of 1% of the military budget and perhaps 1.2% of Israel's domestic product. There is no other aid to Israel. And, of course, no American troops have ever been deployed in any war in which Israel was a participant.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    I don't know what Netanyahu's relationship with Christian zionists is, but I saw video of his predecessor Ariel Sharon addressing an auditorium full of them, and the affection looked mutual.
  75. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anonymous
    "Haven Monahan" is a pretty clever fiction. The "Haven" quite correctly invokes old Wasp power and privilege: Haven Emerson was the son of Ralph Waldo's brother William, and Haven might well still be used by that branch of one of America's iconic Wasp families. But Wasps are gentle creatures, far more so than has proved good for them, and some toughness was needed to make the name a bit more plausible. What better for that than an Irish touch: charm, brawn, and dangerously irresistible good looks all rolled into one. Kudos to Jackie!
    As for the Jews and their unending war against their betters: I once knew a New York City born and bred Jew, who, the son of an immigrant from Lithuania turned NYC high school teacher, had had English grammar and a sense of drive so drilled into him that he went on to Harvard, marriage with an heiress, and an entirely unnecessary nose job.
    My own people have been in California for well over a hundred years, but we did start in New York, so I told him that an ancestor had been a founder of the Century Association, a club he had just praised. He looked at me blankly and said: "But I thought it was a Jewish club!". My response, that exclusion to hegemony in two generations was typical of his race, turned his blank stare into an angry one.
    But the anger didn't last because, to do him credit, he was an honest man, and he knew I was right.

    My response, that exclusion to hegemony in two generations was typical of his race

    What does this mean?

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  76. @LMH
    >So, not getting into the right fraternity/sorority or country club is pretty small potatoes when compared to slavery, Jim Crow, lynching

    Slavery ended in the 19th century, and affected a marginal proportion of the world's blacks. The Holocaust ended within our (grand)parents' lifetime, and killed fully 1/3 of the world's jews -- that's not counting the jews who were merely enslaved or merely lost their livelihoods and had their property confiscated.

    Then, while blacks went on to benefit from affirmative action, jews had the privilege of being the "old Asians."

    Jews can claim the mantle of most-oppressed group, easily.

    Slavery ended in the 19th century, and affected a marginal proportion of the world’s blacks.

    Yeah, but it affected a, shall we say, somewhat higher proportion of the Blacks living in the USA….

    The Holocaust ended within our (grand)parents’ lifetime,

    So did Jim Crow, and it actually happened in America, whereas the Holocaust happened in Europe…

    and killed fully 1/3 of the world’s jews — that’s not counting the jews who were merely enslaved or merely lost their livelihoods and had their property confiscated.

    And it still didn’t happen in the USA….

    Then, while blacks went on to benefit from affirmative action, jews had the privilege of being the “old Asians.”

    On the other hand, last time I checked, Jews were never enslaved in the USA, and Jim Crow never applied to them….

    Jews can claim the mantle of most-oppressed group, easily.

    Not in America, dear fellow.

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    @Jack D
    I think the UCLA incident shows the exact opposite - just when Jews in America start to relax and think they are fully accepted as fellow Americans, something like this comes around to prove to them that their position is still not quite secure, that it's never really over. How were the questions asked of the Jewish student today different than those that might have been asked by one of the Arrow Shirt Men in 1920? And instead of WASPY "Arabists" in the State Dept., you have one in the White House.

    Now, in the American context today, realistically Jews have much more to fear from "liberals" than they do from "conservatives" (though frankly some of the characters around here scare me, or they would if I didn't know they were sitting in their underwear in their mother's basement) but this is sort of cold comfort, the way that America is trending racially and politically (notwithstanding the blip of the 2014 elections). And although SOME Jews are starting to see the light and understand the threat that the left represents, those in the older generation especially are not going to join the party of Bull Conner (oh, oops sorry, he was a Democrat), I mean of Barry Goldwater - the Democrat Party for them is already a move to the right from their parents who belonged to the CPUSA. And even if those bible thumpers love Israel, they are so icky and tacky and uncool and obsessed with fetuses. Personally, I am not confident that the white people of America will ever get their act together again, nor am I entire sure that I would really like it if I did - the obsessions of the far right are sometimes just as distasteful and possibly outright dangerous as those of the far left. It would be nice if the US could return to a centrist Eisenhower type of rule where all the fringes (both left and right) were pushed to the margins but what are the odds of that happening - both parties now depend on their bases and big donors and no one really represents just plain Americans.

    I think the UCLA incident shows the exact opposite – just when Jews in America start to relax and think they are fully accepted as fellow Americans, something like this comes around to prove to them that their position is still not quite secure, that it’s never really over.

    If an adherent to any other category of White supremacism had been questioned by the council about possible bias toward his group, no one would have objected. A Zionist seeking public office should be approached no differently than someone from the South Africa apartheid party or the KKK would be.

    Jewish privilege on full display in this “incident.”

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    A Zionist seeking public office should be approached no differently than someone from the South Africa apartheid party or the KKK would be. Jewish privilege on full display in this “incident.”

    I see Unz Review now has overlapping readership with Stormfront.
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    Could someone weigh in here on whether jews in fact have divided loyalties? Is the controversy here because they obviously do not? Or is it because they do, and others are not supposed to notice?

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    The question is why do only Jews get asked about this? Do Chinese-Americans have divided loyalty? Irish-Americans? People of British descent? Do people who belong to the Greek Orthodox Church have divided loyalty? You can be a loyal son of Hibernia and yet a loyal American at the same time, just as an intelligent person can maintain two thoughts in his head at once (as Fitzgerald said).
    , @Hersh
    Re Jews having divided loyalties

    What other explanation is there for the near unanimously Jewish commentator panels on CNN after the Netanyahu speech? If the people in charge are Jewish - and they probably are - why do they exclude non Jews? Why do they get to exclude non Jews? If a panel has 6 people with Wolf Blitzer, a fair person probably wouldn't have even one Jew.

    This UCLA student board likely had a disproportionate number of Jews already - I'm just guessing. If it was any other group it would be noticed: both California senators are Jewish for the last 20+ years and the state is only 2% Jewish. How does that happen?

    I read some of the minutes but not all so maybe I missed where she was questioned about her religion. If they questioned a Muslim student about religion, surely the questions would be about something in the Koran but Ms. Beyda wasn't questioned about the Old Testament from what I read.
  79. @anonymous-antimarxist
    PBS had a 4 hour series on Italian Americans. It was your standard Immigrants as victims Cultural Marxist propaganda.

    Funny how you never hear Italian Americans playing the victimization card over the aftermath of the Hennessy murder trial resulting in the lynching of a bunch of mafia thugs. Guess us Sicilians/Italians were too busy assimilating. Having few illusions about the nature of the mafia and understanding it was one of the major motivating factors for emigrating to America in the first place does not hurt. There is a reason why so many 2nd and 3rd generation Italians, think Rudy Giuliani, were attracted to law enforcement careers. Italians understand lack of rule of law was the major reason Southern Italy was so backward relative to the talents of its people.

    One case where I agree with Michael Barrone, there are a few things that other immigrant groups could learn from Italian Americans.

    There is one major difference between the Hennessy and Leo Frank. The lynched Italians were never convicted, probably due to witness intimidation and perhaps jury tampering.

    Leo Frank was convicted in a fair trial using the best criminal justice standards of his day and his conviction was exhaustively reviewed and upheld. Leo Frank was lynched in a fit of popular outrage over the political intervention on his behalf by Jewish elites (think NYT) resulting in commuting of his execution in part on grounds of unsubstantiated charges of anti-Semitism through the buying off of key Georgia politicians including and especially the Governor.

    Was Frank found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt? Not by today's standards but I think he got a more than fair trial by standards of a hundred years ago.

    Funny how lots of folks think that Leo Frank was dragged out of his pencil factory and hung with out even a trial.

    >Funny how lots of folks think that Leo Frank was dragged out of his pencil factory and hung with out even a trial.

    If you were hung by a lynch mob AFTER your trial, I’m sure you would feel much better about it.

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    If you were hung by a lynch mob AFTER your trial, I’m sure you would feel much better about it.
     
    Hanged.Portraits are hung but men are hanged.
  80. @Dave Pinsen

    **Gotta give Jews credit, though.They’ve milked the Leo Frank case for all that it’s worth.Of course, Frank’s Jewishness had roughly zero to do with his lynching.And he is the only Jewish lynching victim.
     
    You're forgetting Michael Schwerner and Andrew Goodman.

    You’re forgetting Michael Schwerner and Andrew Goodman.

    They weren’t lynched; they were murdered for their anti-Jim Crow activities.Lynching is a very specific type of crime.

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    They weren’t lynched; they were murdered for their anti-Jim Crow activities.

    What sort of treatment do Gentiles seeking to integrate Palestine receive at the hands of Zionist Jews?
    , @ben tillman

    They weren’t lynched; they were murdered for their anti-Jim Crow activities.Lynching is a very specific type of crime.
     
    They're still on the "official" lynching lists from UMKC etc.
  81. @anonymous-antimarxist
    PBS had a 4 hour series on Italian Americans. It was your standard Immigrants as victims Cultural Marxist propaganda.

    Funny how you never hear Italian Americans playing the victimization card over the aftermath of the Hennessy murder trial resulting in the lynching of a bunch of mafia thugs. Guess us Sicilians/Italians were too busy assimilating. Having few illusions about the nature of the mafia and understanding it was one of the major motivating factors for emigrating to America in the first place does not hurt. There is a reason why so many 2nd and 3rd generation Italians, think Rudy Giuliani, were attracted to law enforcement careers. Italians understand lack of rule of law was the major reason Southern Italy was so backward relative to the talents of its people.

    One case where I agree with Michael Barrone, there are a few things that other immigrant groups could learn from Italian Americans.

    There is one major difference between the Hennessy and Leo Frank. The lynched Italians were never convicted, probably due to witness intimidation and perhaps jury tampering.

    Leo Frank was convicted in a fair trial using the best criminal justice standards of his day and his conviction was exhaustively reviewed and upheld. Leo Frank was lynched in a fit of popular outrage over the political intervention on his behalf by Jewish elites (think NYT) resulting in commuting of his execution in part on grounds of unsubstantiated charges of anti-Semitism through the buying off of key Georgia politicians including and especially the Governor.

    Was Frank found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt? Not by today's standards but I think he got a more than fair trial by standards of a hundred years ago.

    Funny how lots of folks think that Leo Frank was dragged out of his pencil factory and hung with out even a trial.

    Leo Frank was convicted in a fair trial using the best criminal justice standards of his day and his conviction was exhaustively reviewed and upheld. Leo Frank was lynched in a fit of popular outrage over the political intervention on his behalf by Jewish elites (think NYT) resulting in commuting of his execution in part on grounds of unsubstantiated charges of anti-Semitism through the buying off of key Georgia politicians including and especially the Governor.

    Appellate courts review questions of law. There was no ‘exhaustive review’ of the evidence against Frank (the testimony of one man who could not tell the same story twice) by any party other than the Governor of Georgia, who commuted his sentence because he thought Frank wasn’t guilty, not because he was bribed or tricked by bunch of yids.

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    Appellate courts review questions of law.

    And factual findings. They can reverse trial courts for implausible factual determinations.
    , @anonymous-antimarxist
    georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu/topics/history/article/the-leo-frank-case/the-leo-frank-case

    Appeals, Commutation, Lynching

    October 31, 1913 - Judge L.S. Roan denied a motion for a new trial for Leo Frank. His execution date was re-scheduled for April 17, 1914.

    February 17, 1914 - the Georgia Supreme Court denied a motion for a new trial.

    February 24, 1914 - Jim Conley was sentenced to a year on a chain gang for his role in Mary Phagan’s murder.

    April 6, 1914 - just eleven days before Leo Frank was scheduled to hang, his attorneys filed a motion to set aside the guilty verdict in the Fulton County Superior Court. The execution was re-scheduled for January 22, 1915.

    June 6, 1914 - the Fulton County Superior Court denied the motion to set aside the verdict. Leo Frank’s attorneys immediately appealed to the Georgia Supreme Court.

    October 14, 1914 - the Georgia Supreme Court denied Leo Frank’s request for a new trial.

    November 14, 1914 - the Georgia Supreme Court affirmed the trial and judgment in the Leo Frank case. Leo Frank’s attorneys then appealed to the United States District Court of North Georgia.


    December 21, 1914 - the United States District Court denied the motion to set aside the guilty verdict. Leo Frank’s attorneys appealed to the United States Supreme Court, meaning Frank’s execution - set for January 22, 1915 - was again delayed.

    April 9, 1915 - the United States Supreme Court rejected Leo Frank’s last appeal. His execution, already postponed three times, was re-set for June 22, 1915.

    May 31, 1915 - Leo Frank’s attorneys filed an appeal for clemency with the Georgia Prison Commission, hoping to have his death sentence commuted. The appeal was denied.


    June 20, 1915 - In his last day in office, Georgia governor John Slaton commuted the sentence of Leo Frank, from death to life in prison. Slaton spent many hours pouring over the files of the case, and was convinced that Frank was innocent. He had several notable appeals to back this decision; Judge L.S. Roan (who had presided over the case and originally sentenced Frank to the gallows) urged commutation, saying he had serious doubts about Frank’s guilt. Conley’s own attorney, William Smith, wrote to Slaton urging commutation; Smith had become convinced of his own client’s guilt in the matter. Knowing that his decision would not be popular, he made plans to leave the state immediately upon his successor being sworn in; he and his wife spent several months traveling. Slaton also ordered that Frank be transferred from the Fulton County Prison, for fear that a lynch mob would overpower the guards.

    June 21, 1915 - Leo Frank, in the middle of the night, was transferred from the Fulton County Prison to the Georgia State Penitentiary in Milledgeville

    July-August 1915 - Georgia Populist politician and publisher Tom Watson, in his magazine Watson’s Magazine, published scathing editorials against Leo Frank and the commutation of his sentence. While charges of anti-Semitism had certainly surrounded the trial of Leo Frank, Watson was blatant in his sentiments. His inflammatory writings are generally credited with pushing the already strong feelings regarding this case past the boiling point. In what is now ominous phraseology, Watson called on the citizens of Georgia to take justice into their own hands and inflict the death sentence upon Leo Frank.

    July 18, 1915 - Prisoner J. William Creen slashed Leo Frank’s throat at the Georgia State Prison Farm in Milledgeville. Only the quick actions of two other prisoners, both doctors, who stopped the flow of blood and stitched the wound, saved Frank’s life.

    August 16, 1915 - A caravan of eight vehicles bearing 25 armed men from the Atlanta area arrived at the Georgia State Prison at Milledgeville around 10 p.m. Calling themselves the Knights of Mary Phagan, they cut the telephone lines, surprised the guards and entered the barrack of Leo Frank, who two years earlier had been convicted of the murder of 14-year-old Mary Phagan in one of the most infamous trials of the century. The intruders seized Frank and departed into the night. Seven of the cars then took back roads headed for Marietta, while one car acted as a decoy in case of pursuit.

    August 17, 1915 - Through the early morning hours, the lynch mob who had seized Leo Frank from Georgia State Prison in Milledgeville drove by back roads towards Marietta. Sometime early on the morning of the 17th, they reached the outskirts of Marietta. Here, at Frey’s Grove near Mary Phagan’s girlhood home, the men decided to hang Frank, though there are conflicting reports on this. One story is that some wanted to continue with the original plan - to hang Frank in the Marietta town square, while others did not want to do this in broad daylight. A second story says that there was disagreement among the men on whether to hang Frank at all; the story being that those who had ridden in the car with Frank on the three plus hour ride had become convinced of his innocence. Whatever the truth may be, Frank was hanged there in Frey’s Grove. Asserting his innocence to the very end, Frank’s only request was that his wedding ring be returned to his wife (which it was several days later). When word of the lynching spread, crowds gathered to see the body hanging from a tree. Photographs were taken, one of which later became a souvenir postcard. A few in the crowd threatened, and even began to inflict, violence to Frank’s body, before former judge Newt Morris convinced them to stop. Frank’s body was rushed to an undertaker in Atlanta, with a line of vehicles trailing behind. Although the undertaker tried to keep the body concealed, a large crowd soon gathered demanding to see it. After a rock was thrown through a window, officials agreed to let the public view Frank’s body. Under police supervision, thousands of curious Atlanta-area residents filed by single file to view Frank’s body—including the city detective who had arrested Frank. That night Frank’s body was quickly embalmed and placed on a train for New York, where the burial services were held in Brooklyn’s Mount Carmel Cemetery. As a footnote to the lynching, no one was ever prosecuted for the murder of Leo Frank.
     
    Yes, compared to Mumia Abu-Jamal, Leo Frank got a raw deal. But by the standards of his time????????
  82. @yaqub the mad scientist
    And even if those bible thumpers love Israel, they are so icky and tacky and uncool and obsessed with fetuses

    You know, I wish my Southern brethren would stop offering to pony up billions in spending and fight Israel's wars for them, so Israelis wouldn't have the distasteful experience of having to acknowledge such icky, tacky people. It must be so unpleasant for them.

    Most Israelis LOVE Christian fundamentalists – they get along great. It’s liberal American Jews that have a strained relationship with them, especially the kind of Jews who find Bibi to be hawkish and icky too.

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    Most Jews despise Christian fundamentalists but find them very, very useful.
    , @Jo S'more

    Most Israelis LOVE Christian fundamentalists – they get along great.
     
    One minor quibble. Although they are often called Christian fundamentalists, the Christians who oh so love Israel are dispensationalists not fundamentalists.
  83. @Anonymous
    I think the UCLA incident shows the exact opposite – just when Jews in America start to relax and think they are fully accepted as fellow Americans, something like this comes around to prove to them that their position is still not quite secure, that it’s never really over.

    If an adherent to any other category of White supremacism had been questioned by the council about possible bias toward his group, no one would have objected. A Zionist seeking public office should be approached no differently than someone from the South Africa apartheid party or the KKK would be.

    Jewish privilege on full display in this "incident."

    A Zionist seeking public office should be approached no differently than someone from the South Africa apartheid party or the KKK would be. Jewish privilege on full display in this “incident.”

    I see Unz Review now has overlapping readership with Stormfront.

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    I see Unz Review now has overlapping readership with Stormfront.

    The notion that Stormfront is even-handed is not widely shared. You certainly don't follow the herd. I would not be surprised if a UCLA student who was a member of the organization were subjected to similar concerns about bias as this Zionist was.
    , @Simon in London
    Stormfronters being Neo-Nazis favour SA Apartheid & the KKK while being against Zionism & Jews, so that makes no sense.
  84. @Jack D
    Yes, I think that the fact that Ms. Roth apparently did not grow up in the US has something to do with it. The whole dual-loyalty canard was pretty much put to bed in the US by the early 1960s at the latest, along with the idea that Catholics are loyal to the Pope. Personally I was shocked that she brought this up, especially at a public university which has an obligation to be non-sectarian. Let's try changing her statement a bit and see if it passes muster:

    “Given that you are a Christian student and very active in the Christian community,” Fabienne Roth, a member of the Undergraduate Students Association Council, began, looking at Ms. Beyda at the other end of the room, “how do you see yourself being able to maintain an unbiased view?”

    For the next 40 minutes, after Ms. Beyda was dispatched from the room, the council tangled in a debate about whether her faith and affiliation with Christian organizations, including her sorority and the Newman Society, a popular student group, meant she would be biased in dealing with sensitive governance questions that come before the board, which is the campus equivalent of the Supreme Court.

    Nope.

    The whole dual-loyalty canard was pretty much put to bed in the US by the early 1960s at the latest

    The duck makes its appearance.

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  85. @anonymous-antimarxist

    It was just a coincidence that half of the Jews living in Georgia moved out of state immediately after the lynching and the rest took measure to make themselves invisible as Jews.
     
    http://georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu/topics/history/article/the-leo-frank-case/the-leo-frank-case

    November 25, 1915 - the Knights of Mary Phagan met atop Stone Mountain, burned a cross, and initiated the new invisible order of the Ku Klux Klan. Soon thereafter the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith was founded in New York; its founding was based largely on the Leo Frank case and its aftermath. Ironically, Leo Frank had been president of the Atlanta chapter of B’nai B’rith. It must be noted here that the Phagan family has not condoned Klan activity, especially in regards to Mary. In fact the family expressly forbade a Klan request to hold a ceremony at Mary Phagan’s grave site.

     

    Ok a bunch of morons burned a cross.

    I think perhaps hundreds of Jews left Georgia , but "half" is surely ADL propaganda.

    Atlanta had a large Jewish community well before the Civil War and it continued to thrive long after the Frank case.

    Ever see "Driving Miss Daisy"? I don't think It was not far off the mark.

    From the wiki on Leo Frank

    After Frank’s lynching, around half of Georgia’s 3,000 Jews left the state.[104]

    104 ^ Theoharis and Cox 1988, p. 45.

    Theoharis, Athan, and John Stuart Cox. The Boss: J. Edgar Hoover and the Great American Inquisition. Temple University Press, 1988.

    Theoharis and Cox don’t sound like they are members of the ADL to me.

    But if you watched Driving Miss Daisy, you are surely more of an expert on this than they are.

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    Here is perhaps a more balanced and accurate history of Jews in Georgia than what might be found in a leftist screed on J Edgar Hoover.

    http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/history-archaeology/jewish-community-atlanta

    It does not mention half of Georgia's Jewish population leaving the state after the Leo Frank lynching.
    Again hundreds maybe. Half sounds like myth making.

    But it does mention:

    Although the Jews were in a better position to become upwardly mobile, Jewish immigrants and African Americans shared poverty and resided in the same neighborhood during the early twentieth century. At the same time, more-affluent Jews employed African Americans as domestic servants. The empathetic/patronizing nature of such relationships was dramatized in Roy Hoffman's novel Almost Family (1983) and Alfred Uhry's play Driving Miss Daisy (1987).
     
    , @ben tillman

    After Frank’s lynching, around half of Georgia’s 3,000 Jews left the state.
     
    That's ridiculous.

    According to Jewish sources, there were far more than 3,000 Jews in Georgia around the time of the Frank case (1913), and the population continued to grow.

    http://www.isjl.org/georgia-atlanta-encyclopedia.html

    Despite the fears stemming from the Frank lynching, Atlanta’s Jewish community continued to grow, from 4,000 Jews in 1910 to 12,000 by 1937.
     
    That's just Atlanta. The AJC says that there were 3,000 Jews in Savannah alone in 1912 and 10,000 in Atlanta that year.

    http://www.ajcarchives.org/AJC_DATA/Files/1915_1916_7_Statistics.pdf

    Hillel quotes the American Jewish Yearbook as saying that the number of Jews in Georgia increased from 9,300 in 1907 to 22,414 in 1918:

    http://www.hillel.org/docs/default-source/historical/american-jewish-year-book-%281920-1921%29.pdf?sfvrsn=2
  86. @Kyle McKenna

    Incidentally, Steve, love the use of the Leyendecker* art.It perfectly captures the antique aura of Jewish obsessions.I suppose that, to many of them, it’s always 1920, and a closed cabal of Harvard-Yale-Princeton WASPs are still ruling the nation.If only that were true.
     
    If only it were ever true. Jerome Karabel (a seriously pro-semitic scholar on this topic) shows that Harvard's Jewish population was around 30% in 1925, somewhat giving the lie to the popular Hollywood version of HYP's traditional 'WASP exclusivity' in the 20th Century (See 'The Chosen', p.105). This is roughly ten times the Jewish proportion of the general population at the time, and yet we're forever invited to view this period as The Bad Old Days for the Chosen People in America.

    As another among many such examples, Karabel notes that over 1200 Jews entered Yale during the period between 1900 and 1930, when social exclusion and anti-semitism were allegedly rife (op.cit., p.55).

    Great piece Steve, and your phrase "a notorious redoubt of racoon coat-wearing, Stutz Bearcat-driving WASPs" is as delightful as the illustrations you include.

    Fraulein Roth is about to get schooled on using the "J" word in public. As always, it's entertaining (in a morbid sort of way) to witness our nation's most privileged cohort playing victim. And what megaphones they have!

    “Incidentally, Steve, love the use of the Leyendecker* art.It perfectly captures the antique aura of Jewish obsessions.I suppose that, to many of them, it’s always 1920, and a closed cabal of Harvard-Yale-Princeton WASPs are still ruling the nation.If only that were true.”

    If only it were ever true. Jerome Karabel (a seriously pro-semitic scholar on this topic) shows that Harvard’s Jewish population was around 30% in 1925, somewhat giving the lie to the popular Hollywood version of HYP’s traditional ‘WASP exclusivity’ in the 20th Century (See ‘The Chosen’, p.105). This is roughly ten times the Jewish proportion of the general population at the time, and yet we’re forever invited to view this period as The Bad Old Days for the Chosen People in America.

    Quite correct; even in the “bad old days,” things were not nearly as bad as the Jewish popular imagination would have it.

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  87. @SPMoore8
    Fabienne Roth appears to be Swiss German, and my experience is that while German speakers will always mouth the platitudes you want to hear about the Nazis and WW2 guilt in general they harbor attitudes particularly towards Jews that will seem quaint or retrograde to most Americans.

    On the other hand, while doubtless many Jews are (still) SJW, most of the Jewish people I actually know nowadays are extremely conservative, their identity as Jews very much tied up with supporting Israel, and they tend to derogate Obama, Muslims, blacks, and progressives generally, even to the point of sending out emails talking about getting welfare for their dogs, or photos of Michelle Obama's High School Reunion, etc. Of course, I have never "said anything" about this, so that makes me complicit in their thoughtcrimes, I suppose.

    On the other hand, nothing gets Jews together better than a whiff of persecution, that is in fact the easiest way to manipulate Jews politically. That is why, for example, Bibi is always harping on Iran, not because it really is an "existential threat" but because he needs some kind of existential threat to get Jewish people to circle the wagons and ignore any other issues.

    Jewish Americans, most of them descended from impoverished Eastern European immigrants from about 100 years ago, have been very successful and/or have largely integrated into ordinary white American life. While vocal leftists in the Jewish community will continue to be heard, I expect American Jews to become politically more and more conservative in the future. Instead of earning like Episcopalians and voting like Puerto Ricans, they will live like nominally Christian whites and vote like Evangelicals.

    Jewish voting behavior is less inclined toward the Republican Party now than was the case 40 years ago, to the extent that it can be measured.

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    Frank Luntz says Jews are trending GOP: https://twitter.com/frankluntz/status/573973882895527936
  88. On the other hand, while doubtless many Jews are (still) SJW, most of the Jewish people I actually know nowadays are extremely conservative, their identity as Jews very much tied up with supporting Israel, and they tend to derogate Obama, Muslims, blacks, and progressives generally, even to the point of sending out emails talking about getting welfare for their dogs, or photos of Michelle Obama’s High School Reunion, etc. Of course, I have never “said anything” about this, so that makes me complicit in their thoughtcrimes, I suppose.

    Did anyone you know vote for Nixon?

    What was the (all-time low?) % of the Jewish vote to go to Obama in the last couple elections? 70%?

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    Did anyone you know vote for Nixon?
     
    My Jewish grandfather did, all three times ('60, '68, and '72).
  89. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Art Deco
    Leo Frank was convicted in a fair trial using the best criminal justice standards of his day and his conviction was exhaustively reviewed and upheld. Leo Frank was lynched in a fit of popular outrage over the political intervention on his behalf by Jewish elites (think NYT) resulting in commuting of his execution in part on grounds of unsubstantiated charges of anti-Semitism through the buying off of key Georgia politicians including and especially the Governor.

    Appellate courts review questions of law. There was no 'exhaustive review' of the evidence against Frank (the testimony of one man who could not tell the same story twice) by any party other than the Governor of Georgia, who commuted his sentence because he thought Frank wasn't guilty, not because he was bribed or tricked by bunch of yids.

    Appellate courts review questions of law.

    And factual findings. They can reverse trial courts for implausible factual determinations.

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    And factual findings. They can reverse trial courts for implausible factual determinations.

    Very seldom done. See the language of the New York State Constitution, which delineates the jurisdiction of the appellate courts.

    "The jurisdiction of the court of appeals shall be limited to the review of questions of law except where the judgment is of death, or where the appellate division, on reversing or modifying a final or interlocutory judgment in an action or a final or interlocutory order in a special proceeding, finds new facts and a final judgment or a final order pursuant thereto is entered;" (emphasis mine).

    In any case, all of Frank's appeals were on questions of law.
  90. @Anonymous
    Could someone weigh in here on whether jews in fact have divided loyalties? Is the controversy here because they obviously do not? Or is it because they do, and others are not supposed to notice?

    The question is why do only Jews get asked about this? Do Chinese-Americans have divided loyalty? Irish-Americans? People of British descent? Do people who belong to the Greek Orthodox Church have divided loyalty? You can be a loyal son of Hibernia and yet a loyal American at the same time, just as an intelligent person can maintain two thoughts in his head at once (as Fitzgerald said).

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    The question is why do only Jews get asked about this? Do Chinese-Americans have divided loyalty? Irish-Americans? People of British descent? Do people who belong to the Greek Orthodox Church have divided loyalty? You can be a loyal son of Hibernia and yet a loyal American at the same time,
     
    Theodore Roosevelt felt differently:

    There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all.”

    “This is just as true of the man who puts “native” before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.”

    “But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.”

    “The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English- Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian- Americans, or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality than with the other citizens of the American Republic.”

    “The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American.”

    Theodore Roosevelt

    Address to the Knights of Columbus
    New York City- October 12th, 1915
     
    http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/2010/05/teddy-roosevelt-no-room-in-this-country.html
    , @Art Deco
    The question is why do only Jews get asked about this?

    Because there's an abiding constituency obsessed with/resentful of Jews. Does not apply to these others outside of local circumstances.
    , @Anonymous
    Part of it is probably anti-Semitism. Another part of it is probably simply the fact of Jewish communities and Israel tending to be more prominent and influential. Whereas Ireland and Greece are backwaters. Greek-Americans tend to run a lot of the diners in NYC and the northeast, but they're just diners so people don't care as much and they're not as prominent in more influential areas like Jews tend to be.
    , @ben tillman

    The question is why do only Jews get asked about [dual loyalties]?
     
    Their loyalties are questioned the most because, for thousands of years, most of them have lived in diaspora. This is elementary. In recent times, however, other groups have certainly gotten plenty of it as well. Think of German-Americans in WWI and German- and Japanese-Americans in WWII.
  91. @Steve Sailer
    J.C. Leyendecker, who painted the most spectacular of these pictures, enjoyed a luxurious lifestyle, too. Although you have to admit the man worked hard for his money.

    RE:J.C. Leyendecker,

    You might be interested to know that his work is rather popular among aesthetically minded college girls. I’ve seen his work hanging right next to the obligatory Audrey Hepburn posters in quite a few bedrooms.

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    @Art Deco
    A Zionist seeking public office should be approached no differently than someone from the South Africa apartheid party or the KKK would be. Jewish privilege on full display in this “incident.”

    I see Unz Review now has overlapping readership with Stormfront.

    I see Unz Review now has overlapping readership with Stormfront.

    The notion that Stormfront is even-handed is not widely shared. You certainly don’t follow the herd. I would not be surprised if a UCLA student who was a member of the organization were subjected to similar concerns about bias as this Zionist was.

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  93. @yaqub the mad scientist
    And even if those bible thumpers love Israel, they are so icky and tacky and uncool and obsessed with fetuses

    You know, I wish my Southern brethren would stop offering to pony up billions in spending and fight Israel's wars for them, so Israelis wouldn't have the distasteful experience of having to acknowledge such icky, tacky people. It must be so unpleasant for them.

    I wish my Southern brethren would stop offering to pony up billions in spending and fight Israel’s wars for them

    Security assistance to Israel amounts to about 1/3 of 1% of the military budget and perhaps 1.2% of Israel’s domestic product. There is no other aid to Israel. And, of course, no American troops have ever been deployed in any war in which Israel was a participant.

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    And, of course, no American troops have ever been deployed in any war in which Israel was a participant.

    ....and fight Israel’s wars for them


    Did you not read carefully, or are you just being insincere?

    , @Kyle McKenna

    There is no other aid to Israel. And, of course, no American troops have ever been deployed in any war in which Israel was a participant.
     
    To take just one example, where do you think the Madoff billions went?

    http://www.vosizneias.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/ezra.jpg

    And yes, America and Israel are careful to stay out of each others' wars, technically speaking. But what was the last war America did not fight for Israel? Vietnam?
    , @Difference Maker
    They can pay us, not the other way around. The reason Israel has not deployed troops is that they are more than happy to make use of ours instead
    , @JSM
    "ecurity assistance to Israel amounts to about 1/3 of 1% of the military budget and perhaps 1.2% of Israel’s domestic produc"

    COOL! Since it's so very little, you and Israel will be happy to decline the money and make me happy.
  94. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @syonredux

    You’re forgetting Michael Schwerner and Andrew Goodman.
     
    They weren't lynched; they were murdered for their anti-Jim Crow activities.Lynching is a very specific type of crime.

    They weren’t lynched; they were murdered for their anti-Jim Crow activities.

    What sort of treatment do Gentiles seeking to integrate Palestine receive at the hands of Zionist Jews?

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    What sort of treatment do Gentiles seeking to integrate Palestine receive at the hands of Zionist Jews?

    There is no such place as 'Palestine'. There is such a place as Israel. A quarter of its population is gentile and they have a good life there.
    , @Jack D
    I don't know what you are babbling about. Israel has 1.6 million Arab citizens inside the pre 67 lines, representing 20% of its population. Israel has no death penalty and I've never heard of any lynchings in that country. Even when it is fighting wars, Israel takes exquisite care to minimize civilian casualties against an enemy that hides among the civilian population, especially when compared to the US which firebombed Tokyo and Dresden (not to mention nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki). Or more recently, the lower bound of estimates of civilians killed by the US in Vietnam and Cambodia is 100,000 dead. And especially compared to its enemy who sends unguided missiles in the general direction of Israeli cities.
  95. @Carl

    But Berman should have gotten reapportioned out in 2002 in favor of a Mexican, but his brother
     
    This may sound ridiculous, but Steve's regular grammatical errors diminish my confidence in his arguments by 5-10% There, I said it.

    Yeesh, I’m a Grammar Nazi of the first order but I’d cut Steve a bit more slack. He talks so damned much horse sense that he could write backwards and still outshine 99.9% of political observers. What, brown nose me?

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  96. @Jack D
    >Funny how lots of folks think that Leo Frank was dragged out of his pencil factory and hung with out even a trial.

    If you were hung by a lynch mob AFTER your trial, I'm sure you would feel much better about it.

    If you were hung by a lynch mob AFTER your trial, I’m sure you would feel much better about it.

    Hanged.Portraits are hung but men are hanged.

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    I'm a well hung man.
    , @S. Verdad
    Hanged.Portraits are hung but men are hanged.

    Speak for yourself there junior.

    , @Quercus
    Thank for that. It IS hanged and not hung. One is a transitive verb and the other is not.
  97. @Steve Sailer
    Italian-Americans seem to have a quite wide range of opinions on immigration policy, and are more individualistic and future-oriented in coming up with their personal views than several other large groups.

    are more individualistic and future-oriented

    I think the key to being future-oriented is not having illusions about one’s past.

    Many Sicilians came to America because their families fell into debt and essentially had no other option but to sell their own children into indentured servitude, think mining sulfur and saltpeter for the armaments industry. The mafia basically had made certain any sort of personal not to mention commercial banking impossible. It was after all their turf. This made any economic develop very difficult.

    My grandfather fled Sicily because he would have much better odds paying off the family debt in American than back home. Grandpa went back to Sicily homesick and thinking he had paid off all the debt, “vig” included. Found out the gang back home wanted more cash for the rights for him to stick around. Worked out a deal to marry grandma and never looked back.

    Except for a limited and brief flirtation with the anarchist movement, eg. Sacco and Vanzetti, Italians have adopted relatively well to capitalism. Funny how the Jewish Marxists made Sacco and Vanzetti into the foundation myth of the ACLU and CPUSA and worship them even today, think Howard Zinn. Few Italians today even know who Sacco and Vanzetti were. Anyway some Italians went on to found major financial institutions like BofA

    Last, I just don’t think “whining” is very much a part of most Sicilians/Italians genetic makeup. That may be another key to assimilation.

    Derbyshire likes to mention the song Shaddap You Face by Joe Dolce. I think it rings true.

    What’sa matta you, hey
    Gotta no respect, whatta you think you do
    Why you looka so sad?
    It’s-a not so bad, it’s-a nice-a place
    Ah, shaddap you face

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    I think it's simply that Italians tend to be more easygoing and are happy with simple material and emotional comforts like good food and family get togethers. They care less about what other people think or about impressing upon other people how to think.
  98. @Anonymous
    The names of the 4 that voted against the Jewish girl, from their "apology" letter:

    Manjot Singh
    Sofia Moreno Haq
    Fabienne Roth
    Negeen Sadeghi-Movahed


    2 seconds...
    ...is the amount of time it will take the average iSteve reader to answer the following question:
    Which one of those names was mentioned in the NY Times article?


    Those four names are the story.

    If the NYT had published those names, especially early on in its article, the whole event would have become a non-event for all but the most rabid readers.

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  99. @Kyle McKenna

    Incidentally, Steve, love the use of the Leyendecker* art.It perfectly captures the antique aura of Jewish obsessions.I suppose that, to many of them, it’s always 1920, and a closed cabal of Harvard-Yale-Princeton WASPs are still ruling the nation.If only that were true.
     
    If only it were ever true. Jerome Karabel (a seriously pro-semitic scholar on this topic) shows that Harvard's Jewish population was around 30% in 1925, somewhat giving the lie to the popular Hollywood version of HYP's traditional 'WASP exclusivity' in the 20th Century (See 'The Chosen', p.105). This is roughly ten times the Jewish proportion of the general population at the time, and yet we're forever invited to view this period as The Bad Old Days for the Chosen People in America.

    As another among many such examples, Karabel notes that over 1200 Jews entered Yale during the period between 1900 and 1930, when social exclusion and anti-semitism were allegedly rife (op.cit., p.55).

    Great piece Steve, and your phrase "a notorious redoubt of racoon coat-wearing, Stutz Bearcat-driving WASPs" is as delightful as the illustrations you include.

    Fraulein Roth is about to get schooled on using the "J" word in public. As always, it's entertaining (in a morbid sort of way) to witness our nation's most privileged cohort playing victim. And what megaphones they have!

    I think you are leaving something out here – 1925 was the high water mark and then there was a backlash and Jews were mostly excluded from the Ivies for decades after that.

    A Harvard alum/donor wrote to the university’s president in 1925: “Naturally, after 25 years, one expects to find many changes, but to find that one’s University had become so Hebrewized was a fearful shock. There were Jews to the right of me, Jews to the left of me, in fact they were so obviously everywhere that instead of leaving the Yard with pleasant memories of the past I left with a feeling of utter disgust of the present and grave doubts about the future of my Alma Mater.”

    In 1926, the Jewish percentage at Harvard dropped to 15% and then stayed there for decades.

    Just after World War II, Harvard’s provost, Paul Buck, argued in several essays that Harvard did not want to become dominated by the “sensitive, neurotic boy,” [cough Jews cough] by those who are “intellectually over-stimulated.” [cough Jews again cough]. Instead, he said, Harvard should be seeking out boys who are of the “healthy extrovert kind.” [cough not Jews cough] In 1950, Yale’s president, Alfred Whitney Griswold, reassured alumni that the Yale man of the future would not be a “beetle-browed, highly specialized intellectual [cough Jew cough], but a well-rounded man[cough not Jewish cough].” The same thing is going on now with Asians – America has always had an anti-intellectual bias. Only after the Russians beat us to space with Sputnik did the Ivies realize that handsome jocks were not going to win the Cold War for us (the Manhattan Project was not exactly a haven of Monahans either).

    In 1935 Yale Medical School accepted 76 applicants from a pool of 501. About 200 of those applicants were Jewish and only five got in.” Dean Milton Winternitz’s [ironically himself of Jewish decent though not a practicing Jew] gave precise instructions: “Never admit more than five Jews, take only two Italian Catholics, and take no blacks at all.”

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    You make a lot of assertions, documenting a grand total of zero of them. But let's take your claim that the Jewish proportion at Harvard decreased to 15%. That's still many times their proportion in the general population, which means that some other groups are getting shortchanged. Does that bother you at all?

    Meanwhile, it's certainly within the purview of any college to seek out 'well-rounded' applicants displaying leadership qualities (as opposed to pocket-protector nerds) if it wants to. A serious weakness of Karabel's argument is that he insists this was a deliberate attempt to reduce Jewish enrollment per se. But very little in the record supports this; it's effectively a 'disparate impact' claim. Random anecdotes of anti-semitism (which no serious observer doubts exist) are fairly irrelevant.

    , @Anonymous
    In 1926, the Jewish percentage at Harvard dropped to 15% and then stayed there for decades.

    Even at 15% jews are vastly overrepresented.

    What is wrong with Harvard and Yale wanting their community to be more reflective of the face of America?

    Or wanting community continuity with its traditions, it's past, its alumni. 15% is very generous.

    , @syonredux

    In 1926, the Jewish percentage at Harvard dropped to 15% and then stayed there for decades.
     
    Let's see, Jews in 1930 made up 3½ percent of the population of the USA in 1930.The horror, a group that makes up 3½ percent of the population of the USA only makes up 15% of Harvard!

    Just after World War II, Harvard’s provost, Paul Buck, argued in several essays that Harvard did not want to become dominated by the “sensitive, neurotic boy,” [cough Jews cough] by those who are “intellectually over-stimulated.” [cough Jews again cough]. Instead, he said, Harvard should be seeking out boys who are of the “healthy extrovert kind.” [cough not Jews cough]
     
    Yeah, trying to expand enrollment from places like Nebraska and Colorado, what were they thinking.Everybody knows that Harvard should concentrate on students from the Northeast....
    , @JSM
    "In 1926, the Jewish percentage at Harvard dropped to 15% and then stayed there for decades."

    So, an ethny which is 2-3% of host country's population only gets 15% of its premier university's slots.... (a mere 5x per capita over-representation) WAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!

    Meanwhile, at Israel's premier university, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Arab Israelis are only 10% of the university's student body, even though Arabs are fully 20% of Israel's population (a per-capita under-representation of 50%.)

    "There are 2,000 Arab Israeli students presently enrolled at the Hebrew University,"
    "Today, at the Hebrew University we constitute 10 percent of the student population,
    http://www.jpost.com/Local-Israel/In-Jerusalem/Hebrew-University-in-Arabic
    , @ben tillman

    I think you are leaving something out here – 1925 was the high water mark and then there was a backlash and Jews were mostly excluded from the Ivies for decades after that.

    ***

    In 1926, the Jewish percentage at Harvard dropped to 15% and then stayed there for decades.
     
    So, by "mostly excluded", you mean included four times more than everybody else.

    By the way, why doesn't Harvard have a right to exclude whomever it wanted to exclude? Do *you* ever claim a right to exclude? From your house? From your checking account? Why doesn't Harvard get the same rights as you?
  100. @Svigor

    On the other hand, while doubtless many Jews are (still) SJW, most of the Jewish people I actually know nowadays are extremely conservative, their identity as Jews very much tied up with supporting Israel, and they tend to derogate Obama, Muslims, blacks, and progressives generally, even to the point of sending out emails talking about getting welfare for their dogs, or photos of Michelle Obama’s High School Reunion, etc. Of course, I have never “said anything” about this, so that makes me complicit in their thoughtcrimes, I suppose.
     
    Did anyone you know vote for Nixon?

    What was the (all-time low?) % of the Jewish vote to go to Obama in the last couple elections? 70%?

    Did anyone you know vote for Nixon?

    My Jewish grandfather did, all three times (’60, ’68, and ’72).

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  101. @Art Deco
    Leo Frank was convicted in a fair trial using the best criminal justice standards of his day and his conviction was exhaustively reviewed and upheld. Leo Frank was lynched in a fit of popular outrage over the political intervention on his behalf by Jewish elites (think NYT) resulting in commuting of his execution in part on grounds of unsubstantiated charges of anti-Semitism through the buying off of key Georgia politicians including and especially the Governor.

    Appellate courts review questions of law. There was no 'exhaustive review' of the evidence against Frank (the testimony of one man who could not tell the same story twice) by any party other than the Governor of Georgia, who commuted his sentence because he thought Frank wasn't guilty, not because he was bribed or tricked by bunch of yids.

    georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu/topics/history/article/the-leo-frank-case/the-leo-frank-case

    Appeals, Commutation, Lynching

    October 31, 1913 – Judge L.S. Roan denied a motion for a new trial for Leo Frank. His execution date was re-scheduled for April 17, 1914.

    February 17, 1914 – the Georgia Supreme Court denied a motion for a new trial.

    February 24, 1914 – Jim Conley was sentenced to a year on a chain gang for his role in Mary Phagan’s murder.

    April 6, 1914 – just eleven days before Leo Frank was scheduled to hang, his attorneys filed a motion to set aside the guilty verdict in the Fulton County Superior Court. The execution was re-scheduled for January 22, 1915.

    June 6, 1914 – the Fulton County Superior Court denied the motion to set aside the verdict. Leo Frank’s attorneys immediately appealed to the Georgia Supreme Court.

    October 14, 1914 – the Georgia Supreme Court denied Leo Frank’s request for a new trial.

    November 14, 1914 – the Georgia Supreme Court affirmed the trial and judgment in the Leo Frank case. Leo Frank’s attorneys then appealed to the United States District Court of North Georgia.

    December 21, 1914 – the United States District Court denied the motion to set aside the guilty verdict. Leo Frank’s attorneys appealed to the United States Supreme Court, meaning Frank’s execution – set for January 22, 1915 – was again delayed.

    April 9, 1915 – the United States Supreme Court rejected Leo Frank’s last appeal. His execution, already postponed three times, was re-set for June 22, 1915.

    May 31, 1915 – Leo Frank’s attorneys filed an appeal for clemency with the Georgia Prison Commission, hoping to have his death sentence commuted. The appeal was denied.

    June 20, 1915 – In his last day in office, Georgia governor John Slaton commuted the sentence of Leo Frank, from death to life in prison. Slaton spent many hours pouring over the files of the case, and was convinced that Frank was innocent. He had several notable appeals to back this decision; Judge L.S. Roan (who had presided over the case and originally sentenced Frank to the gallows) urged commutation, saying he had serious doubts about Frank’s guilt. Conley’s own attorney, William Smith, wrote to Slaton urging commutation; Smith had become convinced of his own client’s guilt in the matter. Knowing that his decision would not be popular, he made plans to leave the state immediately upon his successor being sworn in; he and his wife spent several months traveling. Slaton also ordered that Frank be transferred from the Fulton County Prison, for fear that a lynch mob would overpower the guards.

    June 21, 1915 – Leo Frank, in the middle of the night, was transferred from the Fulton County Prison to the Georgia State Penitentiary in Milledgeville

    July-August 1915 – Georgia Populist politician and publisher Tom Watson, in his magazine Watson’s Magazine, published scathing editorials against Leo Frank and the commutation of his sentence. While charges of anti-Semitism had certainly surrounded the trial of Leo Frank, Watson was blatant in his sentiments. His inflammatory writings are generally credited with pushing the already strong feelings regarding this case past the boiling point. In what is now ominous phraseology, Watson called on the citizens of Georgia to take justice into their own hands and inflict the death sentence upon Leo Frank.

    July 18, 1915 – Prisoner J. William Creen slashed Leo Frank’s throat at the Georgia State Prison Farm in Milledgeville. Only the quick actions of two other prisoners, both doctors, who stopped the flow of blood and stitched the wound, saved Frank’s life.

    August 16, 1915 – A caravan of eight vehicles bearing 25 armed men from the Atlanta area arrived at the Georgia State Prison at Milledgeville around 10 p.m. Calling themselves the Knights of Mary Phagan, they cut the telephone lines, surprised the guards and entered the barrack of Leo Frank, who two years earlier had been convicted of the murder of 14-year-old Mary Phagan in one of the most infamous trials of the century. The intruders seized Frank and departed into the night. Seven of the cars then took back roads headed for Marietta, while one car acted as a decoy in case of pursuit.

    August 17, 1915 – Through the early morning hours, the lynch mob who had seized Leo Frank from Georgia State Prison in Milledgeville drove by back roads towards Marietta. Sometime early on the morning of the 17th, they reached the outskirts of Marietta. Here, at Frey’s Grove near Mary Phagan’s girlhood home, the men decided to hang Frank, though there are conflicting reports on this. One story is that some wanted to continue with the original plan – to hang Frank in the Marietta town square, while others did not want to do this in broad daylight. A second story says that there was disagreement among the men on whether to hang Frank at all; the story being that those who had ridden in the car with Frank on the three plus hour ride had become convinced of his innocence. Whatever the truth may be, Frank was hanged there in Frey’s Grove. Asserting his innocence to the very end, Frank’s only request was that his wedding ring be returned to his wife (which it was several days later). When word of the lynching spread, crowds gathered to see the body hanging from a tree. Photographs were taken, one of which later became a souvenir postcard. A few in the crowd threatened, and even began to inflict, violence to Frank’s body, before former judge Newt Morris convinced them to stop. Frank’s body was rushed to an undertaker in Atlanta, with a line of vehicles trailing behind. Although the undertaker tried to keep the body concealed, a large crowd soon gathered demanding to see it. After a rock was thrown through a window, officials agreed to let the public view Frank’s body. Under police supervision, thousands of curious Atlanta-area residents filed by single file to view Frank’s body—including the city detective who had arrested Frank. That night Frank’s body was quickly embalmed and placed on a train for New York, where the burial services were held in Brooklyn’s Mount Carmel Cemetery. As a footnote to the lynching, no one was ever prosecuted for the murder of Leo Frank.

    Yes, compared to Mumia Abu-Jamal, Leo Frank got a raw deal. But by the standards of his time????????

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    I'd say being convicted of murder on the testimony of a dubious character who was demonstrably lying counted as a raw deal in 1913, especially when the courthouse was surrounded by mobs cheering the prosecutor.
    , @syonredux

    July-August 1915 – Georgia Populist politician and publisher Tom Watson, in his magazine Watson’s Magazine, published scathing editorials against Leo Frank and the commutation of his sentence. While charges of anti-Semitism had certainly surrounded the trial of Leo Frank, Watson was blatant in his sentiments. His inflammatory writings are generally credited with pushing the already strong feelings regarding this case past the boiling point.
     
    Statements like these are misleading.Watson was a Southern populist, and his attacks on Frank centered on the fact that he was a representative of the Northern Capitalist plutocracy that he loathed.Indeed, he went out of his way to state that he was not motivated by Frank's Jewishness.
    , @syonredux
    Incidentally, if anyone wants to read a book that dispels a lot of the popular mythology surrounding the Leo Frank case, this book is quite good:

    The Jew Accused: Three Anti-Semitic Affairs (Dreyfus, Beilis, Frank) 1894-1915,

    by Albert S Lindemann

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Jew-Accused-Anti-Semitic-1894-1915/dp/0521447615

    He does a very good job of pointing out Watson's anti-capitalistic stance
    , @Jack D
    But by the standards of his time????????

    As far as I know, there has never been a time in the US where lynching was a standard form of justice. If it was, then Lincoln and Jefferson were spinning in their graves - that's not what they signed us up for.
    , @syonredux
    Some points to bear in mind regarding the Leo Frank case:

    The grand jury included five Jews. As historian Albert Lindemann suggests, "they were persuaded by the concrete evidence that [prosecutor] Dorsey presented."[18] Lindemann notes that none of Conley's testimony was presented to the grand jury, and that later, during the trial, Dorsey "explicitly denounced racial anti-Semitism" and "indulged in ... philo-Semitic rhetoric."[18]
     
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    @anonymous-antimarxist

    are more individualistic and future-oriented
     
    I think the key to being future-oriented is not having illusions about one's past.

    Many Sicilians came to America because their families fell into debt and essentially had no other option but to sell their own children into indentured servitude, think mining sulfur and saltpeter for the armaments industry. The mafia basically had made certain any sort of personal not to mention commercial banking impossible. It was after all their turf. This made any economic develop very difficult.

    My grandfather fled Sicily because he would have much better odds paying off the family debt in American than back home. Grandpa went back to Sicily homesick and thinking he had paid off all the debt, "vig" included. Found out the gang back home wanted more cash for the rights for him to stick around. Worked out a deal to marry grandma and never looked back.

    Except for a limited and brief flirtation with the anarchist movement, eg. Sacco and Vanzetti, Italians have adopted relatively well to capitalism. Funny how the Jewish Marxists made Sacco and Vanzetti into the foundation myth of the ACLU and CPUSA and worship them even today, think Howard Zinn. Few Italians today even know who Sacco and Vanzetti were. Anyway some Italians went on to found major financial institutions like BofA

    Last, I just don't think "whining" is very much a part of most Sicilians/Italians genetic makeup. That may be another key to assimilation.

    Derbyshire likes to mention the song Shaddap You Face by Joe Dolce. I think it rings true.

    What'sa matta you, hey
    Gotta no respect, whatta you think you do
    Why you looka so sad?
    It's-a not so bad, it's-a nice-a place
    Ah, shaddap you face


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFacWGBJ_cs

    I think it’s simply that Italians tend to be more easygoing and are happy with simple material and emotional comforts like good food and family get togethers. They care less about what other people think or about impressing upon other people how to think.

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  103. @Jack D
    I think the UCLA incident shows the exact opposite - just when Jews in America start to relax and think they are fully accepted as fellow Americans, something like this comes around to prove to them that their position is still not quite secure, that it's never really over. How were the questions asked of the Jewish student today different than those that might have been asked by one of the Arrow Shirt Men in 1920? And instead of WASPY "Arabists" in the State Dept., you have one in the White House.

    Now, in the American context today, realistically Jews have much more to fear from "liberals" than they do from "conservatives" (though frankly some of the characters around here scare me, or they would if I didn't know they were sitting in their underwear in their mother's basement) but this is sort of cold comfort, the way that America is trending racially and politically (notwithstanding the blip of the 2014 elections). And although SOME Jews are starting to see the light and understand the threat that the left represents, those in the older generation especially are not going to join the party of Bull Conner (oh, oops sorry, he was a Democrat), I mean of Barry Goldwater - the Democrat Party for them is already a move to the right from their parents who belonged to the CPUSA. And even if those bible thumpers love Israel, they are so icky and tacky and uncool and obsessed with fetuses. Personally, I am not confident that the white people of America will ever get their act together again, nor am I entire sure that I would really like it if I did - the obsessions of the far right are sometimes just as distasteful and possibly outright dangerous as those of the far left. It would be nice if the US could return to a centrist Eisenhower type of rule where all the fringes (both left and right) were pushed to the margins but what are the odds of that happening - both parties now depend on their bases and big donors and no one really represents just plain Americans.

    I think the UCLA incident shows the exact opposite – just when Jews in America start to relax and think they are fully accepted as fellow Americans, something like this comes around to prove to them that their position is still not quite secure, that it’s never really over.

    I doubt you missed the Pew Survey in which Americans chose Jews as their most very favorite group of all.

    Despite the home-team advantage of the Christians in the survey, who made up more than two-thirds of the sample, Jews got the highest overall ratings. A good chunk of the respondents said they don’t even know any Jewish people…

    http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/07/americans-just-think-jews-are-the-coolest/374530/

    And yes, the author trots out Leo Frank. But he’s less than forthcoming with respect to why Jews are so popular in America today.

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  104. @Art Deco
    I wish my Southern brethren would stop offering to pony up billions in spending and fight Israel’s wars for them

    --

    Security assistance to Israel amounts to about 1/3 of 1% of the military budget and perhaps 1.2% of Israel's domestic product. There is no other aid to Israel. And, of course, no American troops have ever been deployed in any war in which Israel was a participant.

    And, of course, no American troops have ever been deployed in any war in which Israel was a participant.

    ….and fight Israel’s wars for them

    Did you not read carefully, or are you just being insincere?

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  105. @Jack D
    The question is why do only Jews get asked about this? Do Chinese-Americans have divided loyalty? Irish-Americans? People of British descent? Do people who belong to the Greek Orthodox Church have divided loyalty? You can be a loyal son of Hibernia and yet a loyal American at the same time, just as an intelligent person can maintain two thoughts in his head at once (as Fitzgerald said).

    The question is why do only Jews get asked about this? Do Chinese-Americans have divided loyalty? Irish-Americans? People of British descent? Do people who belong to the Greek Orthodox Church have divided loyalty? You can be a loyal son of Hibernia and yet a loyal American at the same time,

    Theodore Roosevelt felt differently:

    There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all.”

    “This is just as true of the man who puts “native” before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.”

    “But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.”

    “The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English- Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian- Americans, or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality than with the other citizens of the American Republic.”

    “The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American.”

    Theodore Roosevelt

    Address to the Knights of Columbus
    New York City- October 12th, 1915

    http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/2010/05/teddy-roosevelt-no-room-in-this-country.html

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    I guess Teddy's view must have won out. Once upon a time, back then, there were St. Patrick's Day parades for Irish-Americans and Columbus Day parades for Italian-Americans, and so on but I guess that custom must have died out because I never see anyone wearing green on St. Patrick's Day anymore.
  106. “Art Deco says:

    “”I wish my Southern brethren would stop offering to pony up billions in spending and fight Israel’s wars for them.””

    Security assistance to Israel amounts to about 1/3 of 1% of the military budget and perhaps 1.2% of Israel’s domestic product.”

    And as usual, you are disingenuous to the point of outright lying. Security assistance to Israel amounts to $ 3 billion a year. He said “billions”. Last time I checked, 3 billion is indeed “billions”. What part of “billions” did you not understand?

    “There is no other aid to Israel.”

    Other than having our foreign policy wound up around that of another country? That sounds like aid to me.

    “And, of course, no American troops have ever been deployed in any war in which Israel was a participant.”

    And no israeli troops have been deployed in any war in which America was a participant. That’s the whole point of having somebody else fight your wars for you.

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    "Security assistance to Israel amounts to about 1/3 of 1% of the military budget and perhaps 1.2% of Israel’s domestic product."

    And as usual, you are disingenuous to the point of outright lying. Security assistance to Israel amounts to $ 3 billion a year. He said “billions”. Last time I checked, 3 billion is indeed “billions”. What part of “billions” did you not understand?

    As a comparison, 1.2% of the American GDP equals $200 billion. How could chump change like that be relevant to anything?
  107. @syonredux

    Jews are treated, particularly in comparison with other groups that are more typically viewed as victims of discrimination, such as African-Americans and gays and lesbians.
     
    Well, let's start by saying that no group in American society has been as victimized* as Blacks.They are the gold standard.So, not getting into the right fraternity/sorority or country club is pretty small potatoes when compared to slavery, Jim Crow, lynching**, etc.

    As for homosexuals, does anyone think that elite Gays like Lucius Beebe had much in common with the Black American experience?:

    Lucius Morris Beebe (December 9, 1902 – February 4, 1966) was an American author, gourmand, photographer, railroad historian, journalist, and syndicated columnist.

    Beebe was born in Wakefield, Massachusetts, to a prominent Boston family.[1] Beebe attended both Harvard University and Yale University, where he contributed to campus humor magazine The Yale Record.[2] During his tenure at boarding school and university, Beebe was known for his numerous pranks. One of his more outrageous stunts included an attempt at festooning J. P. Morgan's yacht Corsair with toilet paper from a chartered airplane.[3] His pranks were not without consequence and he proudly noted that he had the sole distinction of having been expelled from both Harvard and Yale, at the insistence, respectively, of the president and dean of each.[4]

    A noted boulevardier, Beebe had an impressive and baroque wardrobe. Beebe's clothing included 40 suits, at least two mink-lined overcoats, numerous top hats and bowlers, a collection of doeskin gloves, walking sticks and a substantial gold nugget watch chain.[11] Columnist Walter Winchell referred to Beebe and his wardrobe as "Luscious Lucius."[11] Beebe's sartorial splendor was recognized when he appeared in full formal day attire on the cover of Life over the title of "Lucius Beebe Sets a Style."[12] [1]

    Many of Beebe's articles and columns addressed men's traditional fashion. He was especially fond of English bespoke tailoring and shoes and wrote glowing articles about noted court tailor Henry Poole and Company and noted bootmaker John Lobb, whom he patronized on a regular basis. He also liked ties, particularly from Charvet in Paris,[13] men's hats and wrote of the history of the bowler hat.[14]

    In 1940, Beebe met Charles Clegg while both were houseguests at the Washington, D.C. home of Evalyn Walsh McLean. The two soon developed a personal and professional relationship that continued for the rest of Beebe's life. By the standards of the era, the romantic relationship Beebe and Clegg shared was relatively open and well-known.[15] Previously, Beebe had been involved with society photographer Jerome Zerbe.

    The pair initially lived in New York City, where both men were prominent in café society circles. Eventually tiring of that social life, the two moved in 1950 to Virginia City, Nevada, a tiny community that had once been a fabled mining boomtown.[16] There, they reactivated and began publishing the Territorial Enterprise, a fabled 19th century newspaper that had once been the employer of Mark Twain. Beebe and Clegg shared a renovated mansion in the town, traveled extensively, and remained prominent in social circles.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Beebe

     

    Seems to me that Blacks living in the Jim Crow South or the segregated North of the period would have killed to have enjoyed a lifestyle like Beebe's ....





    *Amerinds are the only group that comes close, but their experience was quite difference.Amerinds were simultaneously more hated/feared and more admired/respected than Blacks were.


    **Gotta give Jews credit, though.They've milked the Leo Frank case for all that it's worth.Of course, Frank's Jewishness had roughly zero to do with his lynching.And he is the only Jewish lynching victim.In contrast, Sicilians have 11 victims:

    David C. Hennessy (1858 – October 16, 1890) was a police chief of New Orleans, Louisiana. His assassination in 1890 led to a sensational trial. A group of not guilty verdicts shocked the nation, and an enormous mob formed outside the prison the next day. The prison doors were forced open and 11 of 19 Italian men who had been indicted for Hennessy's murder were lynched.
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hennessy

    **Gotta give Jews credit, though.They’ve milked the Leo Frank case for all that it’s worth.Of course,

    ==

    When you find yourself saying things like this, why not put in the name of an actual person and see if it still makes sense, as in “**Gotta give Jerry Gorfine credit, though. He’s milked the Leo Frank case for all that it’s worth.”

    Honestly, there is not some massive body of literature on this case (perhaps a half dozen books in a century). It’s a true crime story with some odd features. (Austere local burgesses are seldom accused of murdering children consequent to sexual perversions, much less are they lynched with the kudos of the local community).

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    **Gotta give Jews credit, though.They’ve milked the Leo Frank case for all that it’s worth.Of course,

    ==

    When you find yourself saying things like this, why not put in the name of an actual person and see if it still makes sense, as in “**Gotta give Jerry Gorfine credit, though. He’s milked the Leo Frank case for all that it’s worth.”
     
    OK."Gotta give Abraham Foxman credit credit, though; he's milked the Leo Frank case for all that it's worth."Sounds good.

    Honestly, there is not some massive body of literature on this case (perhaps a half dozen books in a century). It’s a true crime story with some odd features. (Austere local burgesses are seldom accused of murdering children consequent to sexual perversions, much less are they lynched with the kudos of the local community).
     
    And a lot of that has to do with the Jewish community working to memorialize it.....
  108. @Art Deco
    I wish my Southern brethren would stop offering to pony up billions in spending and fight Israel’s wars for them

    --

    Security assistance to Israel amounts to about 1/3 of 1% of the military budget and perhaps 1.2% of Israel's domestic product. There is no other aid to Israel. And, of course, no American troops have ever been deployed in any war in which Israel was a participant.

    There is no other aid to Israel. And, of course, no American troops have ever been deployed in any war in which Israel was a participant.

    To take just one example, where do you think the Madoff billions went?

    http://www.vosizneias.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/ezra.jpg

    And yes, America and Israel are careful to stay out of each others’ wars, technically speaking. But what was the last war America did not fight for Israel? Vietnam?

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  109. @anonymous-antimarxist
    georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu/topics/history/article/the-leo-frank-case/the-leo-frank-case

    Appeals, Commutation, Lynching

    October 31, 1913 - Judge L.S. Roan denied a motion for a new trial for Leo Frank. His execution date was re-scheduled for April 17, 1914.

    February 17, 1914 - the Georgia Supreme Court denied a motion for a new trial.

    February 24, 1914 - Jim Conley was sentenced to a year on a chain gang for his role in Mary Phagan’s murder.

    April 6, 1914 - just eleven days before Leo Frank was scheduled to hang, his attorneys filed a motion to set aside the guilty verdict in the Fulton County Superior Court. The execution was re-scheduled for January 22, 1915.

    June 6, 1914 - the Fulton County Superior Court denied the motion to set aside the verdict. Leo Frank’s attorneys immediately appealed to the Georgia Supreme Court.

    October 14, 1914 - the Georgia Supreme Court denied Leo Frank’s request for a new trial.

    November 14, 1914 - the Georgia Supreme Court affirmed the trial and judgment in the Leo Frank case. Leo Frank’s attorneys then appealed to the United States District Court of North Georgia.


    December 21, 1914 - the United States District Court denied the motion to set aside the guilty verdict. Leo Frank’s attorneys appealed to the United States Supreme Court, meaning Frank’s execution - set for January 22, 1915 - was again delayed.

    April 9, 1915 - the United States Supreme Court rejected Leo Frank’s last appeal. His execution, already postponed three times, was re-set for June 22, 1915.

    May 31, 1915 - Leo Frank’s attorneys filed an appeal for clemency with the Georgia Prison Commission, hoping to have his death sentence commuted. The appeal was denied.


    June 20, 1915 - In his last day in office, Georgia governor John Slaton commuted the sentence of Leo Frank, from death to life in prison. Slaton spent many hours pouring over the files of the case, and was convinced that Frank was innocent. He had several notable appeals to back this decision; Judge L.S. Roan (who had presided over the case and originally sentenced Frank to the gallows) urged commutation, saying he had serious doubts about Frank’s guilt. Conley’s own attorney, William Smith, wrote to Slaton urging commutation; Smith had become convinced of his own client’s guilt in the matter. Knowing that his decision would not be popular, he made plans to leave the state immediately upon his successor being sworn in; he and his wife spent several months traveling. Slaton also ordered that Frank be transferred from the Fulton County Prison, for fear that a lynch mob would overpower the guards.

    June 21, 1915 - Leo Frank, in the middle of the night, was transferred from the Fulton County Prison to the Georgia State Penitentiary in Milledgeville

    July-August 1915 - Georgia Populist politician and publisher Tom Watson, in his magazine Watson’s Magazine, published scathing editorials against Leo Frank and the commutation of his sentence. While charges of anti-Semitism had certainly surrounded the trial of Leo Frank, Watson was blatant in his sentiments. His inflammatory writings are generally credited with pushing the already strong feelings regarding this case past the boiling point. In what is now ominous phraseology, Watson called on the citizens of Georgia to take justice into their own hands and inflict the death sentence upon Leo Frank.

    July 18, 1915 - Prisoner J. William Creen slashed Leo Frank’s throat at the Georgia State Prison Farm in Milledgeville. Only the quick actions of two other prisoners, both doctors, who stopped the flow of blood and stitched the wound, saved Frank’s life.

    August 16, 1915 - A caravan of eight vehicles bearing 25 armed men from the Atlanta area arrived at the Georgia State Prison at Milledgeville around 10 p.m. Calling themselves the Knights of Mary Phagan, they cut the telephone lines, surprised the guards and entered the barrack of Leo Frank, who two years earlier had been convicted of the murder of 14-year-old Mary Phagan in one of the most infamous trials of the century. The intruders seized Frank and departed into the night. Seven of the cars then took back roads headed for Marietta, while one car acted as a decoy in case of pursuit.

    August 17, 1915 - Through the early morning hours, the lynch mob who had seized Leo Frank from Georgia State Prison in Milledgeville drove by back roads towards Marietta. Sometime early on the morning of the 17th, they reached the outskirts of Marietta. Here, at Frey’s Grove near Mary Phagan’s girlhood home, the men decided to hang Frank, though there are conflicting reports on this. One story is that some wanted to continue with the original plan - to hang Frank in the Marietta town square, while others did not want to do this in broad daylight. A second story says that there was disagreement among the men on whether to hang Frank at all; the story being that those who had ridden in the car with Frank on the three plus hour ride had become convinced of his innocence. Whatever the truth may be, Frank was hanged there in Frey’s Grove. Asserting his innocence to the very end, Frank’s only request was that his wedding ring be returned to his wife (which it was several days later). When word of the lynching spread, crowds gathered to see the body hanging from a tree. Photographs were taken, one of which later became a souvenir postcard. A few in the crowd threatened, and even began to inflict, violence to Frank’s body, before former judge Newt Morris convinced them to stop. Frank’s body was rushed to an undertaker in Atlanta, with a line of vehicles trailing behind. Although the undertaker tried to keep the body concealed, a large crowd soon gathered demanding to see it. After a rock was thrown through a window, officials agreed to let the public view Frank’s body. Under police supervision, thousands of curious Atlanta-area residents filed by single file to view Frank’s body—including the city detective who had arrested Frank. That night Frank’s body was quickly embalmed and placed on a train for New York, where the burial services were held in Brooklyn’s Mount Carmel Cemetery. As a footnote to the lynching, no one was ever prosecuted for the murder of Leo Frank.
     
    Yes, compared to Mumia Abu-Jamal, Leo Frank got a raw deal. But by the standards of his time????????

    I’d say being convicted of murder on the testimony of a dubious character who was demonstrably lying counted as a raw deal in 1913, especially when the courthouse was surrounded by mobs cheering the prosecutor.

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  110. @LMH
    >So, not getting into the right fraternity/sorority or country club is pretty small potatoes when compared to slavery, Jim Crow, lynching

    Slavery ended in the 19th century, and affected a marginal proportion of the world's blacks. The Holocaust ended within our (grand)parents' lifetime, and killed fully 1/3 of the world's jews -- that's not counting the jews who were merely enslaved or merely lost their livelihoods and had their property confiscated.

    Then, while blacks went on to benefit from affirmative action, jews had the privilege of being the "old Asians."

    Jews can claim the mantle of most-oppressed group, easily.

    You can make an argument for Jews as most-oppressed group *globally*. Though I still think the Roma might have us beat.

    *In the USA*, on the other hand, oppression of Jews falls way behind Blacks, dark-skinned Hispanics, and Chinese (railroads, etc.).

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    You can make an argument for Jews as most-oppressed group *globally*.

    Oh give it up already. Jews are arguably the most wealthy and powerful group in the world. It has ever been thus.

    They are more oppressor than oppressed.
    , @Art Deco
    You can make an argument for Jews as most-oppressed group *globally*. Though I still think the Roma might have us beat.

    Gypsy populations have trouble with the authorities because they are generally a public order problem.

    http://www.amazon.com/Bury-Me-Standing-Gypsies-Journey/dp/067973743X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1425683933&sr=1-1&keywords=bury+me+standing
  111. @Anonymous
    They weren’t lynched; they were murdered for their anti-Jim Crow activities.

    What sort of treatment do Gentiles seeking to integrate Palestine receive at the hands of Zionist Jews?

    What sort of treatment do Gentiles seeking to integrate Palestine receive at the hands of Zionist Jews?

    There is no such place as ‘Palestine’. There is such a place as Israel. A quarter of its population is gentile and they have a good life there.

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  112. “Jack D says:

    I think you are leaving something out here – 1925 was the high water mark and then there was a backlash and Jews were mostly excluded from the Ivies for decades after that.

    In 1926, the Jewish percentage at Harvard dropped to 15% and then stayed there for decades.”

    Those two sentences don’t agree with each other. 15% doesn’t sound like “mostly excluded” to me. 15% is five times that group’s fraction of the american population.

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  113. @Jack D
    I think you are leaving something out here - 1925 was the high water mark and then there was a backlash and Jews were mostly excluded from the Ivies for decades after that.

    A Harvard alum/donor wrote to the university's president in 1925: "Naturally, after 25 years, one expects to find many changes, but to find that one's University had become so Hebrewized was a fearful shock. There were Jews to the right of me, Jews to the left of me, in fact they were so obviously everywhere that instead of leaving the Yard with pleasant memories of the past I left with a feeling of utter disgust of the present and grave doubts about the future of my Alma Mater."

    In 1926, the Jewish percentage at Harvard dropped to 15% and then stayed there for decades.

    Just after World War II, Harvard's provost, Paul Buck, argued in several essays that Harvard did not want to become dominated by the "sensitive, neurotic boy," [cough Jews cough] by those who are "intellectually over-stimulated." [cough Jews again cough]. Instead, he said, Harvard should be seeking out boys who are of the "healthy extrovert kind." [cough not Jews cough] In 1950, Yale's president, Alfred Whitney Griswold, reassured alumni that the Yale man of the future would not be a "beetle-browed, highly specialized intellectual [cough Jew cough], but a well-rounded man[cough not Jewish cough]." The same thing is going on now with Asians - America has always had an anti-intellectual bias. Only after the Russians beat us to space with Sputnik did the Ivies realize that handsome jocks were not going to win the Cold War for us (the Manhattan Project was not exactly a haven of Monahans either).

    In 1935 Yale Medical School accepted 76 applicants from a pool of 501. About 200 of those applicants were Jewish and only five got in." Dean Milton Winternitz's [ironically himself of Jewish decent though not a practicing Jew] gave precise instructions: "Never admit more than five Jews, take only two Italian Catholics, and take no blacks at all."

    You make a lot of assertions, documenting a grand total of zero of them. But let’s take your claim that the Jewish proportion at Harvard decreased to 15%. That’s still many times their proportion in the general population, which means that some other groups are getting shortchanged. Does that bother you at all?

    Meanwhile, it’s certainly within the purview of any college to seek out ‘well-rounded’ applicants displaying leadership qualities (as opposed to pocket-protector nerds) if it wants to. A serious weakness of Karabel’s argument is that he insists this was a deliberate attempt to reduce Jewish enrollment per se. But very little in the record supports this; it’s effectively a ‘disparate impact’ claim. Random anecdotes of anti-semitism (which no serious observer doubts exist) are fairly irrelevant.

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  114. @Anonymous
    They weren’t lynched; they were murdered for their anti-Jim Crow activities.

    What sort of treatment do Gentiles seeking to integrate Palestine receive at the hands of Zionist Jews?

    I don’t know what you are babbling about. Israel has 1.6 million Arab citizens inside the pre 67 lines, representing 20% of its population. Israel has no death penalty and I’ve never heard of any lynchings in that country. Even when it is fighting wars, Israel takes exquisite care to minimize civilian casualties against an enemy that hides among the civilian population, especially when compared to the US which firebombed Tokyo and Dresden (not to mention nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki). Or more recently, the lower bound of estimates of civilians killed by the US in Vietnam and Cambodia is 100,000 dead. And especially compared to its enemy who sends unguided missiles in the general direction of Israeli cities.

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    Israel takes exquisite care to minimize civilian casualties against an enemy that hides among the civilian population, especially when compared to the US which firebombed Tokyo and Dresden (not to mention nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki). Or more recently, the lower bound of estimates of civilians killed by the US in Vietnam and Cambodia is 100,000 dead. And especially compared to its enemy who sends unguided missiles in the general direction of Israeli cities.
     
    Wow. I'd missed this. While hardly relevant to the topic at hand, it certainly begs for rejoinder. Israel kills thousands of civilians at a time in places like Lebanon and Gaza, with special attention to hospitals, apartment buildings, and schools; pray tell how many Israelis are killed by those bottle rockets from Gaza, hmm? You are far, far too tribalized to be a useful observer here.
  115. @anonymous-antimarxist
    georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu/topics/history/article/the-leo-frank-case/the-leo-frank-case

    Appeals, Commutation, Lynching

    October 31, 1913 - Judge L.S. Roan denied a motion for a new trial for Leo Frank. His execution date was re-scheduled for April 17, 1914.

    February 17, 1914 - the Georgia Supreme Court denied a motion for a new trial.

    February 24, 1914 - Jim Conley was sentenced to a year on a chain gang for his role in Mary Phagan’s murder.

    April 6, 1914 - just eleven days before Leo Frank was scheduled to hang, his attorneys filed a motion to set aside the guilty verdict in the Fulton County Superior Court. The execution was re-scheduled for January 22, 1915.

    June 6, 1914 - the Fulton County Superior Court denied the motion to set aside the verdict. Leo Frank’s attorneys immediately appealed to the Georgia Supreme Court.

    October 14, 1914 - the Georgia Supreme Court denied Leo Frank’s request for a new trial.

    November 14, 1914 - the Georgia Supreme Court affirmed the trial and judgment in the Leo Frank case. Leo Frank’s attorneys then appealed to the United States District Court of North Georgia.


    December 21, 1914 - the United States District Court denied the motion to set aside the guilty verdict. Leo Frank’s attorneys appealed to the United States Supreme Court, meaning Frank’s execution - set for January 22, 1915 - was again delayed.

    April 9, 1915 - the United States Supreme Court rejected Leo Frank’s last appeal. His execution, already postponed three times, was re-set for June 22, 1915.

    May 31, 1915 - Leo Frank’s attorneys filed an appeal for clemency with the Georgia Prison Commission, hoping to have his death sentence commuted. The appeal was denied.


    June 20, 1915 - In his last day in office, Georgia governor John Slaton commuted the sentence of Leo Frank, from death to life in prison. Slaton spent many hours pouring over the files of the case, and was convinced that Frank was innocent. He had several notable appeals to back this decision; Judge L.S. Roan (who had presided over the case and originally sentenced Frank to the gallows) urged commutation, saying he had serious doubts about Frank’s guilt. Conley’s own attorney, William Smith, wrote to Slaton urging commutation; Smith had become convinced of his own client’s guilt in the matter. Knowing that his decision would not be popular, he made plans to leave the state immediately upon his successor being sworn in; he and his wife spent several months traveling. Slaton also ordered that Frank be transferred from the Fulton County Prison, for fear that a lynch mob would overpower the guards.

    June 21, 1915 - Leo Frank, in the middle of the night, was transferred from the Fulton County Prison to the Georgia State Penitentiary in Milledgeville

    July-August 1915 - Georgia Populist politician and publisher Tom Watson, in his magazine Watson’s Magazine, published scathing editorials against Leo Frank and the commutation of his sentence. While charges of anti-Semitism had certainly surrounded the trial of Leo Frank, Watson was blatant in his sentiments. His inflammatory writings are generally credited with pushing the already strong feelings regarding this case past the boiling point. In what is now ominous phraseology, Watson called on the citizens of Georgia to take justice into their own hands and inflict the death sentence upon Leo Frank.

    July 18, 1915 - Prisoner J. William Creen slashed Leo Frank’s throat at the Georgia State Prison Farm in Milledgeville. Only the quick actions of two other prisoners, both doctors, who stopped the flow of blood and stitched the wound, saved Frank’s life.

    August 16, 1915 - A caravan of eight vehicles bearing 25 armed men from the Atlanta area arrived at the Georgia State Prison at Milledgeville around 10 p.m. Calling themselves the Knights of Mary Phagan, they cut the telephone lines, surprised the guards and entered the barrack of Leo Frank, who two years earlier had been convicted of the murder of 14-year-old Mary Phagan in one of the most infamous trials of the century. The intruders seized Frank and departed into the night. Seven of the cars then took back roads headed for Marietta, while one car acted as a decoy in case of pursuit.

    August 17, 1915 - Through the early morning hours, the lynch mob who had seized Leo Frank from Georgia State Prison in Milledgeville drove by back roads towards Marietta. Sometime early on the morning of the 17th, they reached the outskirts of Marietta. Here, at Frey’s Grove near Mary Phagan’s girlhood home, the men decided to hang Frank, though there are conflicting reports on this. One story is that some wanted to continue with the original plan - to hang Frank in the Marietta town square, while others did not want to do this in broad daylight. A second story says that there was disagreement among the men on whether to hang Frank at all; the story being that those who had ridden in the car with Frank on the three plus hour ride had become convinced of his innocence. Whatever the truth may be, Frank was hanged there in Frey’s Grove. Asserting his innocence to the very end, Frank’s only request was that his wedding ring be returned to his wife (which it was several days later). When word of the lynching spread, crowds gathered to see the body hanging from a tree. Photographs were taken, one of which later became a souvenir postcard. A few in the crowd threatened, and even began to inflict, violence to Frank’s body, before former judge Newt Morris convinced them to stop. Frank’s body was rushed to an undertaker in Atlanta, with a line of vehicles trailing behind. Although the undertaker tried to keep the body concealed, a large crowd soon gathered demanding to see it. After a rock was thrown through a window, officials agreed to let the public view Frank’s body. Under police supervision, thousands of curious Atlanta-area residents filed by single file to view Frank’s body—including the city detective who had arrested Frank. That night Frank’s body was quickly embalmed and placed on a train for New York, where the burial services were held in Brooklyn’s Mount Carmel Cemetery. As a footnote to the lynching, no one was ever prosecuted for the murder of Leo Frank.
     
    Yes, compared to Mumia Abu-Jamal, Leo Frank got a raw deal. But by the standards of his time????????

    July-August 1915 – Georgia Populist politician and publisher Tom Watson, in his magazine Watson’s Magazine, published scathing editorials against Leo Frank and the commutation of his sentence. While charges of anti-Semitism had certainly surrounded the trial of Leo Frank, Watson was blatant in his sentiments. His inflammatory writings are generally credited with pushing the already strong feelings regarding this case past the boiling point.

    Statements like these are misleading.Watson was a Southern populist, and his attacks on Frank centered on the fact that he was a representative of the Northern Capitalist plutocracy that he loathed.Indeed, he went out of his way to state that he was not motivated by Frank’s Jewishness.

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    @SFG
    You can make an argument for Jews as most-oppressed group *globally*. Though I still think the Roma might have us beat.

    *In the USA*, on the other hand, oppression of Jews falls way behind Blacks, dark-skinned Hispanics, and Chinese (railroads, etc.).

    You can make an argument for Jews as most-oppressed group *globally*.

    Oh give it up already. Jews are arguably the most wealthy and powerful group in the world. It has ever been thus.

    They are more oppressor than oppressed.

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  117. @Jack D
    I think the UCLA incident shows the exact opposite - just when Jews in America start to relax and think they are fully accepted as fellow Americans, something like this comes around to prove to them that their position is still not quite secure, that it's never really over. How were the questions asked of the Jewish student today different than those that might have been asked by one of the Arrow Shirt Men in 1920? And instead of WASPY "Arabists" in the State Dept., you have one in the White House.

    Now, in the American context today, realistically Jews have much more to fear from "liberals" than they do from "conservatives" (though frankly some of the characters around here scare me, or they would if I didn't know they were sitting in their underwear in their mother's basement) but this is sort of cold comfort, the way that America is trending racially and politically (notwithstanding the blip of the 2014 elections). And although SOME Jews are starting to see the light and understand the threat that the left represents, those in the older generation especially are not going to join the party of Bull Conner (oh, oops sorry, he was a Democrat), I mean of Barry Goldwater - the Democrat Party for them is already a move to the right from their parents who belonged to the CPUSA. And even if those bible thumpers love Israel, they are so icky and tacky and uncool and obsessed with fetuses. Personally, I am not confident that the white people of America will ever get their act together again, nor am I entire sure that I would really like it if I did - the obsessions of the far right are sometimes just as distasteful and possibly outright dangerous as those of the far left. It would be nice if the US could return to a centrist Eisenhower type of rule where all the fringes (both left and right) were pushed to the margins but what are the odds of that happening - both parties now depend on their bases and big donors and no one really represents just plain Americans.

    American fascism is more likely to take a Christian aspect, so you’ll probably be able to save your butt by converting. I always thought the Christian religion made more sense anyway–never made sense to me God had different expectations for you depending on who your mother was.

    What bothers me is the Sensitivity Brigade. If you read the article, the gal got confirmed, but had some uncomfortable questions. People seem to believe they have the right to never have their feelings hurt. Freedom of speech seems passe on the left–it’s all about intersectionality and safe spaces– which really bothers me.

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  118. @SFG
    You can make an argument for Jews as most-oppressed group *globally*. Though I still think the Roma might have us beat.

    *In the USA*, on the other hand, oppression of Jews falls way behind Blacks, dark-skinned Hispanics, and Chinese (railroads, etc.).

    You can make an argument for Jews as most-oppressed group *globally*. Though I still think the Roma might have us beat.

    Gypsy populations have trouble with the authorities because they are generally a public order problem.

    http://www.amazon.com/Bury-Me-Standing-Gypsies-Journey/dp/067973743X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1425683933&sr=1-1&keywords=bury+me+standing

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    So you can conceive of reasons why the neighbors of the Roma don't like them.
    You either know of or can imagine good reasons for the terrible reputation they have.
    Yet, when it comes to Jews, to even think of reasons why their neighbors haven't like them and, worse, to even think that there might have been good reasons for their neighbors to not like them, that's a sign of mental illness. Ok. Got it.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Paul Haggis has cast this Israeli actress as a gypsy twice, most recently in Third Person. Are there no gypsy actresses?
  119. @anonymous-antimarxist

    I mean, what else is there to run on in student council elections?
     
    Steve, you attended college during the relative peace of the late seventies, early eighties. By the mid eighties college student governments were all wrapped up in the end Apartheid movement. Besides the Boycott Divest Sanction South Africa initiatives that student councils were always pushing. You should know were these things call shanty towns constructed on the campus mall where the truly upworthy would actually attempt to live for a days even weeks at a time.

    A friend told me that in her journalism classes(aka Cultural Marxism 101), the TWMNBN professors all but spelled it out on the blackboard that you were not getting an A unless you were out front in the BDS SA activities. Nice sitting in a classroom surrounded by classmates sleeping in a shantytown. Hope they showered at the student rec center or would that be the act of a wrecker?

    Now, something tells me that Mr Baral, and Ms Roth and Beyda want to be on the Student Council just to make sure the campus BDS Israel movement does not get out of hand. Better to focus young minds on fighting WWG and WWT, not to mention learning about America's role in the abandonment of the Jews during the Holocaust.

    Perhaps Sheldon and Haim will start handing out campaign contributions, I mean scholarships, er' fellowships, in case they aren't already.


    Oops!!! Sorry some of my fellow isteve-ers might find that border line anti-semitic.

    Hey what do you know!!!!

    SURPRISE!!! SURPRISE!!! SURPRISE!!!

    Well Golly Mr Sailer!!!! Isn't that Google something???

    UCLA Muslim Newsmag Targets Jewish Student
    http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/ucla-muslim-newsmag-targets-jewish-student

    The editorial board of Al-Talib, the Muslim Newsmagazine at UCLA, called on Jewish student Avinoam Baral to disassociate himself from the pro-Israel program Hasbara Fellowships due to the group's alleged Islamophobia. Al-Talib alleged that the Jewish program "actively (contributes) to violence against Muslims" and asked that Baral, who is a candidate for Internal Vice President in upcoming UCLA student elections, separate himself from the program.

    The newsmagazine asked that Baral "publicly distance himself from the organization Hasbara Fellowships because of its association with the production and dissemination of Islamophobic documentaries across the United States. Unless Baral distances himself from an organization that disseminates Islamophobia, ties to anti-Muslim networks will remain accepted in campus life and politics."
     

    As TruthRevolt reported on Wednesday evening, a number candidates for UCLA student government were asked to sign an "ethics statement" prohibiting trips to Israel with Hasbara Fellowships, AIPAC and the ADL. StandWithUs Executive Director Roz Rothstein labeled the attempt "bigoted" and Israel on Campus Coalition Executive Director Jacob Baime hoped that students on campus would "not be intimidated by closed-minded zealots with their heads in the sand."
     
    Oops there is more!!!!


    Pro-Israel appeal to US patriotism fails to halt “historic” California divestment vote


    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/pro-israel-appeal-us-patriotism-fails-halt-historic-california-divestment-vote


    At a rally outside, student body president Avinoam Baral, whose scandal-plagued election campaign was financed by Islamophobic anti-Palestinian property tycoon and convicted tax evader Adam Milstein, declared that the divestment resolution was “anti-Semitic.
     

    Oh god, more BDS. Between AIPAC and the Muslim groups, maybe we can establish a group for people who are sick of hearing about Israel one way or the other?

    Maybe BDSM–BDS Moderates?

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    "Maybe BDSM–BDS Moderates?"

    That seems more Albertosaurus's thing. I'm not into that.

  120. @syonredux

    The question is why do only Jews get asked about this? Do Chinese-Americans have divided loyalty? Irish-Americans? People of British descent? Do people who belong to the Greek Orthodox Church have divided loyalty? You can be a loyal son of Hibernia and yet a loyal American at the same time,
     
    Theodore Roosevelt felt differently:

    There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all.”

    “This is just as true of the man who puts “native” before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.”

    “But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.”

    “The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English- Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian- Americans, or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality than with the other citizens of the American Republic.”

    “The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American.”

    Theodore Roosevelt

    Address to the Knights of Columbus
    New York City- October 12th, 1915
     
    http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/2010/05/teddy-roosevelt-no-room-in-this-country.html

    I guess Teddy’s view must have won out. Once upon a time, back then, there were St. Patrick’s Day parades for Irish-Americans and Columbus Day parades for Italian-Americans, and so on but I guess that custom must have died out because I never see anyone wearing green on St. Patrick’s Day anymore.

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    I guess Teddy’s view must have won out. Once upon a time, back then, there were St. Patrick’s Day parades for Irish-Americans and Columbus Day parades for Italian-Americans, and so on but I guess that custom must have died out because I never see anyone wearing green on St. Patrick’s Day anymore.
     
    Sadly, TR's views did not carry the day.Hence, our current deplorable condition, where American citizenship means nothing, and an Israeli citizen is allowed to serve on the Federal Reserve.
  121. Jews can claim the mantle of most-oppressed group, easily.

    Even granted the Hebraic identity of many (most?) contributors here, I’m seriously amazed at the victimology on display. Where and when in all of human history did Jews enjoy even half of the wealth and power they have in America today? How much more do you want?

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  122. “Jack D says:

    The question is why do only Jews get asked about this?

    In his confirmation hearings, how many times was Michael Chertoff asked about his dual nationality? How many times was Stanley Fischer asked? How many times was the appointment of either man questioned on dual-loyalty grounds in the national media? As I remember it – just about never.

    “Do Chinese-Americans have divided loyalty?”

    What, you maintain they don’t get asked about divided loyalty? I question their loyalty. They certainly get investigated for espionage a lot – probably because a lot of spies have turned out to be chinese.

    You are baldly asserting a dichotomy that isn’t there.

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  123. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Jack D
    I think you are leaving something out here - 1925 was the high water mark and then there was a backlash and Jews were mostly excluded from the Ivies for decades after that.

    A Harvard alum/donor wrote to the university's president in 1925: "Naturally, after 25 years, one expects to find many changes, but to find that one's University had become so Hebrewized was a fearful shock. There were Jews to the right of me, Jews to the left of me, in fact they were so obviously everywhere that instead of leaving the Yard with pleasant memories of the past I left with a feeling of utter disgust of the present and grave doubts about the future of my Alma Mater."

    In 1926, the Jewish percentage at Harvard dropped to 15% and then stayed there for decades.

    Just after World War II, Harvard's provost, Paul Buck, argued in several essays that Harvard did not want to become dominated by the "sensitive, neurotic boy," [cough Jews cough] by those who are "intellectually over-stimulated." [cough Jews again cough]. Instead, he said, Harvard should be seeking out boys who are of the "healthy extrovert kind." [cough not Jews cough] In 1950, Yale's president, Alfred Whitney Griswold, reassured alumni that the Yale man of the future would not be a "beetle-browed, highly specialized intellectual [cough Jew cough], but a well-rounded man[cough not Jewish cough]." The same thing is going on now with Asians - America has always had an anti-intellectual bias. Only after the Russians beat us to space with Sputnik did the Ivies realize that handsome jocks were not going to win the Cold War for us (the Manhattan Project was not exactly a haven of Monahans either).

    In 1935 Yale Medical School accepted 76 applicants from a pool of 501. About 200 of those applicants were Jewish and only five got in." Dean Milton Winternitz's [ironically himself of Jewish decent though not a practicing Jew] gave precise instructions: "Never admit more than five Jews, take only two Italian Catholics, and take no blacks at all."

    In 1926, the Jewish percentage at Harvard dropped to 15% and then stayed there for decades.

    Even at 15% jews are vastly overrepresented.

    What is wrong with Harvard and Yale wanting their community to be more reflective of the face of America?

    Or wanting community continuity with its traditions, it’s past, its alumni. 15% is very generous.

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  124. @anonymous-antimarxist
    georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu/topics/history/article/the-leo-frank-case/the-leo-frank-case

    Appeals, Commutation, Lynching

    October 31, 1913 - Judge L.S. Roan denied a motion for a new trial for Leo Frank. His execution date was re-scheduled for April 17, 1914.

    February 17, 1914 - the Georgia Supreme Court denied a motion for a new trial.

    February 24, 1914 - Jim Conley was sentenced to a year on a chain gang for his role in Mary Phagan’s murder.

    April 6, 1914 - just eleven days before Leo Frank was scheduled to hang, his attorneys filed a motion to set aside the guilty verdict in the Fulton County Superior Court. The execution was re-scheduled for January 22, 1915.

    June 6, 1914 - the Fulton County Superior Court denied the motion to set aside the verdict. Leo Frank’s attorneys immediately appealed to the Georgia Supreme Court.

    October 14, 1914 - the Georgia Supreme Court denied Leo Frank’s request for a new trial.

    November 14, 1914 - the Georgia Supreme Court affirmed the trial and judgment in the Leo Frank case. Leo Frank’s attorneys then appealed to the United States District Court of North Georgia.


    December 21, 1914 - the United States District Court denied the motion to set aside the guilty verdict. Leo Frank’s attorneys appealed to the United States Supreme Court, meaning Frank’s execution - set for January 22, 1915 - was again delayed.

    April 9, 1915 - the United States Supreme Court rejected Leo Frank’s last appeal. His execution, already postponed three times, was re-set for June 22, 1915.

    May 31, 1915 - Leo Frank’s attorneys filed an appeal for clemency with the Georgia Prison Commission, hoping to have his death sentence commuted. The appeal was denied.


    June 20, 1915 - In his last day in office, Georgia governor John Slaton commuted the sentence of Leo Frank, from death to life in prison. Slaton spent many hours pouring over the files of the case, and was convinced that Frank was innocent. He had several notable appeals to back this decision; Judge L.S. Roan (who had presided over the case and originally sentenced Frank to the gallows) urged commutation, saying he had serious doubts about Frank’s guilt. Conley’s own attorney, William Smith, wrote to Slaton urging commutation; Smith had become convinced of his own client’s guilt in the matter. Knowing that his decision would not be popular, he made plans to leave the state immediately upon his successor being sworn in; he and his wife spent several months traveling. Slaton also ordered that Frank be transferred from the Fulton County Prison, for fear that a lynch mob would overpower the guards.

    June 21, 1915 - Leo Frank, in the middle of the night, was transferred from the Fulton County Prison to the Georgia State Penitentiary in Milledgeville

    July-August 1915 - Georgia Populist politician and publisher Tom Watson, in his magazine Watson’s Magazine, published scathing editorials against Leo Frank and the commutation of his sentence. While charges of anti-Semitism had certainly surrounded the trial of Leo Frank, Watson was blatant in his sentiments. His inflammatory writings are generally credited with pushing the already strong feelings regarding this case past the boiling point. In what is now ominous phraseology, Watson called on the citizens of Georgia to take justice into their own hands and inflict the death sentence upon Leo Frank.

    July 18, 1915 - Prisoner J. William Creen slashed Leo Frank’s throat at the Georgia State Prison Farm in Milledgeville. Only the quick actions of two other prisoners, both doctors, who stopped the flow of blood and stitched the wound, saved Frank’s life.

    August 16, 1915 - A caravan of eight vehicles bearing 25 armed men from the Atlanta area arrived at the Georgia State Prison at Milledgeville around 10 p.m. Calling themselves the Knights of Mary Phagan, they cut the telephone lines, surprised the guards and entered the barrack of Leo Frank, who two years earlier had been convicted of the murder of 14-year-old Mary Phagan in one of the most infamous trials of the century. The intruders seized Frank and departed into the night. Seven of the cars then took back roads headed for Marietta, while one car acted as a decoy in case of pursuit.

    August 17, 1915 - Through the early morning hours, the lynch mob who had seized Leo Frank from Georgia State Prison in Milledgeville drove by back roads towards Marietta. Sometime early on the morning of the 17th, they reached the outskirts of Marietta. Here, at Frey’s Grove near Mary Phagan’s girlhood home, the men decided to hang Frank, though there are conflicting reports on this. One story is that some wanted to continue with the original plan - to hang Frank in the Marietta town square, while others did not want to do this in broad daylight. A second story says that there was disagreement among the men on whether to hang Frank at all; the story being that those who had ridden in the car with Frank on the three plus hour ride had become convinced of his innocence. Whatever the truth may be, Frank was hanged there in Frey’s Grove. Asserting his innocence to the very end, Frank’s only request was that his wedding ring be returned to his wife (which it was several days later). When word of the lynching spread, crowds gathered to see the body hanging from a tree. Photographs were taken, one of which later became a souvenir postcard. A few in the crowd threatened, and even began to inflict, violence to Frank’s body, before former judge Newt Morris convinced them to stop. Frank’s body was rushed to an undertaker in Atlanta, with a line of vehicles trailing behind. Although the undertaker tried to keep the body concealed, a large crowd soon gathered demanding to see it. After a rock was thrown through a window, officials agreed to let the public view Frank’s body. Under police supervision, thousands of curious Atlanta-area residents filed by single file to view Frank’s body—including the city detective who had arrested Frank. That night Frank’s body was quickly embalmed and placed on a train for New York, where the burial services were held in Brooklyn’s Mount Carmel Cemetery. As a footnote to the lynching, no one was ever prosecuted for the murder of Leo Frank.
     
    Yes, compared to Mumia Abu-Jamal, Leo Frank got a raw deal. But by the standards of his time????????

    Incidentally, if anyone wants to read a book that dispels a lot of the popular mythology surrounding the Leo Frank case, this book is quite good:

    The Jew Accused: Three Anti-Semitic Affairs (Dreyfus, Beilis, Frank) 1894-1915,

    by Albert S Lindemann

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Jew-Accused-Anti-Semitic-1894-1915/dp/0521447615

    He does a very good job of pointing out Watson’s anti-capitalistic stance

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  125. “Jack D says:

    I think the UCLA incident shows the exact opposite – just when Jews in America start to relax and think they are fully accepted as fellow Americans, something like this comes around to prove to them that their position is still not quite secure, that it’s never really over.”

    Well, it’s certainly never over, if you never let yourself, or us, or anyone else forget that it’s not over.

    I can understand why Jews might be a bit paranoid. But don’t expect me to be cool with being thought of as an incipient enemy because of that paranoia. Odd as it might seem to you – we have our own lives. One does not embrace paranoids, even if their paranoia has some justification. One just tries to avoid them.

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  126. @anonymous-antimarxist
    georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu/topics/history/article/the-leo-frank-case/the-leo-frank-case

    Appeals, Commutation, Lynching

    October 31, 1913 - Judge L.S. Roan denied a motion for a new trial for Leo Frank. His execution date was re-scheduled for April 17, 1914.

    February 17, 1914 - the Georgia Supreme Court denied a motion for a new trial.

    February 24, 1914 - Jim Conley was sentenced to a year on a chain gang for his role in Mary Phagan’s murder.

    April 6, 1914 - just eleven days before Leo Frank was scheduled to hang, his attorneys filed a motion to set aside the guilty verdict in the Fulton County Superior Court. The execution was re-scheduled for January 22, 1915.

    June 6, 1914 - the Fulton County Superior Court denied the motion to set aside the verdict. Leo Frank’s attorneys immediately appealed to the Georgia Supreme Court.

    October 14, 1914 - the Georgia Supreme Court denied Leo Frank’s request for a new trial.

    November 14, 1914 - the Georgia Supreme Court affirmed the trial and judgment in the Leo Frank case. Leo Frank’s attorneys then appealed to the United States District Court of North Georgia.


    December 21, 1914 - the United States District Court denied the motion to set aside the guilty verdict. Leo Frank’s attorneys appealed to the United States Supreme Court, meaning Frank’s execution - set for January 22, 1915 - was again delayed.

    April 9, 1915 - the United States Supreme Court rejected Leo Frank’s last appeal. His execution, already postponed three times, was re-set for June 22, 1915.

    May 31, 1915 - Leo Frank’s attorneys filed an appeal for clemency with the Georgia Prison Commission, hoping to have his death sentence commuted. The appeal was denied.


    June 20, 1915 - In his last day in office, Georgia governor John Slaton commuted the sentence of Leo Frank, from death to life in prison. Slaton spent many hours pouring over the files of the case, and was convinced that Frank was innocent. He had several notable appeals to back this decision; Judge L.S. Roan (who had presided over the case and originally sentenced Frank to the gallows) urged commutation, saying he had serious doubts about Frank’s guilt. Conley’s own attorney, William Smith, wrote to Slaton urging commutation; Smith had become convinced of his own client’s guilt in the matter. Knowing that his decision would not be popular, he made plans to leave the state immediately upon his successor being sworn in; he and his wife spent several months traveling. Slaton also ordered that Frank be transferred from the Fulton County Prison, for fear that a lynch mob would overpower the guards.

    June 21, 1915 - Leo Frank, in the middle of the night, was transferred from the Fulton County Prison to the Georgia State Penitentiary in Milledgeville

    July-August 1915 - Georgia Populist politician and publisher Tom Watson, in his magazine Watson’s Magazine, published scathing editorials against Leo Frank and the commutation of his sentence. While charges of anti-Semitism had certainly surrounded the trial of Leo Frank, Watson was blatant in his sentiments. His inflammatory writings are generally credited with pushing the already strong feelings regarding this case past the boiling point. In what is now ominous phraseology, Watson called on the citizens of Georgia to take justice into their own hands and inflict the death sentence upon Leo Frank.

    July 18, 1915 - Prisoner J. William Creen slashed Leo Frank’s throat at the Georgia State Prison Farm in Milledgeville. Only the quick actions of two other prisoners, both doctors, who stopped the flow of blood and stitched the wound, saved Frank’s life.

    August 16, 1915 - A caravan of eight vehicles bearing 25 armed men from the Atlanta area arrived at the Georgia State Prison at Milledgeville around 10 p.m. Calling themselves the Knights of Mary Phagan, they cut the telephone lines, surprised the guards and entered the barrack of Leo Frank, who two years earlier had been convicted of the murder of 14-year-old Mary Phagan in one of the most infamous trials of the century. The intruders seized Frank and departed into the night. Seven of the cars then took back roads headed for Marietta, while one car acted as a decoy in case of pursuit.

    August 17, 1915 - Through the early morning hours, the lynch mob who had seized Leo Frank from Georgia State Prison in Milledgeville drove by back roads towards Marietta. Sometime early on the morning of the 17th, they reached the outskirts of Marietta. Here, at Frey’s Grove near Mary Phagan’s girlhood home, the men decided to hang Frank, though there are conflicting reports on this. One story is that some wanted to continue with the original plan - to hang Frank in the Marietta town square, while others did not want to do this in broad daylight. A second story says that there was disagreement among the men on whether to hang Frank at all; the story being that those who had ridden in the car with Frank on the three plus hour ride had become convinced of his innocence. Whatever the truth may be, Frank was hanged there in Frey’s Grove. Asserting his innocence to the very end, Frank’s only request was that his wedding ring be returned to his wife (which it was several days later). When word of the lynching spread, crowds gathered to see the body hanging from a tree. Photographs were taken, one of which later became a souvenir postcard. A few in the crowd threatened, and even began to inflict, violence to Frank’s body, before former judge Newt Morris convinced them to stop. Frank’s body was rushed to an undertaker in Atlanta, with a line of vehicles trailing behind. Although the undertaker tried to keep the body concealed, a large crowd soon gathered demanding to see it. After a rock was thrown through a window, officials agreed to let the public view Frank’s body. Under police supervision, thousands of curious Atlanta-area residents filed by single file to view Frank’s body—including the city detective who had arrested Frank. That night Frank’s body was quickly embalmed and placed on a train for New York, where the burial services were held in Brooklyn’s Mount Carmel Cemetery. As a footnote to the lynching, no one was ever prosecuted for the murder of Leo Frank.
     
    Yes, compared to Mumia Abu-Jamal, Leo Frank got a raw deal. But by the standards of his time????????

    But by the standards of his time????????

    As far as I know, there has never been a time in the US where lynching was a standard form of justice. If it was, then Lincoln and Jefferson were spinning in their graves – that’s not what they signed us up for.

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    I think you know what I mean. Lynching Frank was obscene and reprehensible. However, I believe that very few other 1st degree murder cases in 1914 went through the scrutiny that Frank's did.

    Frank's case was unprecedented in may ways, especially the nature of the Governor's commuting of his execution.

    Now a days of course obviously guilty first degree murders like Mumia Abu-Jamal get to be multiple millionaires peddling stories of their innocence to the gullible . He got to father kids while in prison and now rates conjugal visits from young pussy that started to learn to worship him while still in diapers.
  127. @Anonymous
    Appellate courts review questions of law.

    And factual findings. They can reverse trial courts for implausible factual determinations.

    And factual findings. They can reverse trial courts for implausible factual determinations.

    Very seldom done. See the language of the New York State Constitution, which delineates the jurisdiction of the appellate courts.

    “The jurisdiction of the court of appeals shall be limited to the review of questions of law except where the judgment is of death, or where the appellate division, on reversing or modifying a final or interlocutory judgment in an action or a final or interlocutory order in a special proceeding, finds new facts and a final judgment or a final order pursuant thereto is entered;” (emphasis mine).

    In any case, all of Frank’s appeals were on questions of law.

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  128. @anonymous-antimarxist
    georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu/topics/history/article/the-leo-frank-case/the-leo-frank-case

    Appeals, Commutation, Lynching

    October 31, 1913 - Judge L.S. Roan denied a motion for a new trial for Leo Frank. His execution date was re-scheduled for April 17, 1914.

    February 17, 1914 - the Georgia Supreme Court denied a motion for a new trial.

    February 24, 1914 - Jim Conley was sentenced to a year on a chain gang for his role in Mary Phagan’s murder.

    April 6, 1914 - just eleven days before Leo Frank was scheduled to hang, his attorneys filed a motion to set aside the guilty verdict in the Fulton County Superior Court. The execution was re-scheduled for January 22, 1915.

    June 6, 1914 - the Fulton County Superior Court denied the motion to set aside the verdict. Leo Frank’s attorneys immediately appealed to the Georgia Supreme Court.

    October 14, 1914 - the Georgia Supreme Court denied Leo Frank’s request for a new trial.

    November 14, 1914 - the Georgia Supreme Court affirmed the trial and judgment in the Leo Frank case. Leo Frank’s attorneys then appealed to the United States District Court of North Georgia.


    December 21, 1914 - the United States District Court denied the motion to set aside the guilty verdict. Leo Frank’s attorneys appealed to the United States Supreme Court, meaning Frank’s execution - set for January 22, 1915 - was again delayed.

    April 9, 1915 - the United States Supreme Court rejected Leo Frank’s last appeal. His execution, already postponed three times, was re-set for June 22, 1915.

    May 31, 1915 - Leo Frank’s attorneys filed an appeal for clemency with the Georgia Prison Commission, hoping to have his death sentence commuted. The appeal was denied.


    June 20, 1915 - In his last day in office, Georgia governor John Slaton commuted the sentence of Leo Frank, from death to life in prison. Slaton spent many hours pouring over the files of the case, and was convinced that Frank was innocent. He had several notable appeals to back this decision; Judge L.S. Roan (who had presided over the case and originally sentenced Frank to the gallows) urged commutation, saying he had serious doubts about Frank’s guilt. Conley’s own attorney, William Smith, wrote to Slaton urging commutation; Smith had become convinced of his own client’s guilt in the matter. Knowing that his decision would not be popular, he made plans to leave the state immediately upon his successor being sworn in; he and his wife spent several months traveling. Slaton also ordered that Frank be transferred from the Fulton County Prison, for fear that a lynch mob would overpower the guards.

    June 21, 1915 - Leo Frank, in the middle of the night, was transferred from the Fulton County Prison to the Georgia State Penitentiary in Milledgeville

    July-August 1915 - Georgia Populist politician and publisher Tom Watson, in his magazine Watson’s Magazine, published scathing editorials against Leo Frank and the commutation of his sentence. While charges of anti-Semitism had certainly surrounded the trial of Leo Frank, Watson was blatant in his sentiments. His inflammatory writings are generally credited with pushing the already strong feelings regarding this case past the boiling point. In what is now ominous phraseology, Watson called on the citizens of Georgia to take justice into their own hands and inflict the death sentence upon Leo Frank.

    July 18, 1915 - Prisoner J. William Creen slashed Leo Frank’s throat at the Georgia State Prison Farm in Milledgeville. Only the quick actions of two other prisoners, both doctors, who stopped the flow of blood and stitched the wound, saved Frank’s life.

    August 16, 1915 - A caravan of eight vehicles bearing 25 armed men from the Atlanta area arrived at the Georgia State Prison at Milledgeville around 10 p.m. Calling themselves the Knights of Mary Phagan, they cut the telephone lines, surprised the guards and entered the barrack of Leo Frank, who two years earlier had been convicted of the murder of 14-year-old Mary Phagan in one of the most infamous trials of the century. The intruders seized Frank and departed into the night. Seven of the cars then took back roads headed for Marietta, while one car acted as a decoy in case of pursuit.

    August 17, 1915 - Through the early morning hours, the lynch mob who had seized Leo Frank from Georgia State Prison in Milledgeville drove by back roads towards Marietta. Sometime early on the morning of the 17th, they reached the outskirts of Marietta. Here, at Frey’s Grove near Mary Phagan’s girlhood home, the men decided to hang Frank, though there are conflicting reports on this. One story is that some wanted to continue with the original plan - to hang Frank in the Marietta town square, while others did not want to do this in broad daylight. A second story says that there was disagreement among the men on whether to hang Frank at all; the story being that those who had ridden in the car with Frank on the three plus hour ride had become convinced of his innocence. Whatever the truth may be, Frank was hanged there in Frey’s Grove. Asserting his innocence to the very end, Frank’s only request was that his wedding ring be returned to his wife (which it was several days later). When word of the lynching spread, crowds gathered to see the body hanging from a tree. Photographs were taken, one of which later became a souvenir postcard. A few in the crowd threatened, and even began to inflict, violence to Frank’s body, before former judge Newt Morris convinced them to stop. Frank’s body was rushed to an undertaker in Atlanta, with a line of vehicles trailing behind. Although the undertaker tried to keep the body concealed, a large crowd soon gathered demanding to see it. After a rock was thrown through a window, officials agreed to let the public view Frank’s body. Under police supervision, thousands of curious Atlanta-area residents filed by single file to view Frank’s body—including the city detective who had arrested Frank. That night Frank’s body was quickly embalmed and placed on a train for New York, where the burial services were held in Brooklyn’s Mount Carmel Cemetery. As a footnote to the lynching, no one was ever prosecuted for the murder of Leo Frank.
     
    Yes, compared to Mumia Abu-Jamal, Leo Frank got a raw deal. But by the standards of his time????????

    Some points to bear in mind regarding the Leo Frank case:

    The grand jury included five Jews. As historian Albert Lindemann suggests, “they were persuaded by the concrete evidence that [prosecutor] Dorsey presented.”[18] Lindemann notes that none of Conley’s testimony was presented to the grand jury, and that later, during the trial, Dorsey “explicitly denounced racial anti-Semitism” and “indulged in … philo-Semitic rhetoric.”[18]

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    The purpose of a grand jury is to determine if there is sufficient evidence for a case to go to trial, nothing more. (And the idea that there were five Jews on a 23 man grand jury in a state where Jews made up less than 1% of the population beggars belief).
  129. @Jack D
    The question is why do only Jews get asked about this? Do Chinese-Americans have divided loyalty? Irish-Americans? People of British descent? Do people who belong to the Greek Orthodox Church have divided loyalty? You can be a loyal son of Hibernia and yet a loyal American at the same time, just as an intelligent person can maintain two thoughts in his head at once (as Fitzgerald said).

    The question is why do only Jews get asked about this?

    Because there’s an abiding constituency obsessed with/resentful of Jews. Does not apply to these others outside of local circumstances.

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    @Jack D
    The question is why do only Jews get asked about this? Do Chinese-Americans have divided loyalty? Irish-Americans? People of British descent? Do people who belong to the Greek Orthodox Church have divided loyalty? You can be a loyal son of Hibernia and yet a loyal American at the same time, just as an intelligent person can maintain two thoughts in his head at once (as Fitzgerald said).

    Part of it is probably anti-Semitism. Another part of it is probably simply the fact of Jewish communities and Israel tending to be more prominent and influential. Whereas Ireland and Greece are backwaters. Greek-Americans tend to run a lot of the diners in NYC and the northeast, but they’re just diners so people don’t care as much and they’re not as prominent in more influential areas like Jews tend to be.

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  131. @Simon in London
    Funny, this was the only Roth I'd previously heard of - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Roth - but per the NYT this Roth must be some kind of Jew-hating Swiss Nazi? Or maybe she just wasn't quite up on American Political Correctness? I've had Germans say to me some things that sound rather odd to Anglo ears, steeped as we are in cradle-to-grave Sensitivity Training.

    There are plenty of ethnic Germans with Germanic names, believe it or not. I have a German-American friend who even has a biblical first name. In New York, you’d assume someone with his first and last name would be Jewish, and you’d be right >90% of the time.

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  132. @syonredux
    Some points to bear in mind regarding the Leo Frank case:

    The grand jury included five Jews. As historian Albert Lindemann suggests, "they were persuaded by the concrete evidence that [prosecutor] Dorsey presented."[18] Lindemann notes that none of Conley's testimony was presented to the grand jury, and that later, during the trial, Dorsey "explicitly denounced racial anti-Semitism" and "indulged in ... philo-Semitic rhetoric."[18]
     

    The purpose of a grand jury is to determine if there is sufficient evidence for a case to go to trial, nothing more. (And the idea that there were five Jews on a 23 man grand jury in a state where Jews made up less than 1% of the population beggars belief).

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    The purpose of a grand jury is to determine if there is sufficient evidence for a case to go to trial, nothing more.
     
    Dear fellow, we all know what a grand jury does

    (And the idea that there were five Jews on a 23 man grand jury in a state where Jews made up less than 1% of the population beggars belief).
     
    Well, the ADL also says that five Jews served on the grand jury:

    Five Jews sat on the grand jury that indicted Frank
     
    http://www.adl.org/assets/pdf/education-outreach/People-v-Leo-Frank-Teacher-s-Guide-ADL.pdf

    So, unless you can find some source arguing to the contrary....
    , @syonredux

    (And the idea that there were five Jews on a 23 man grand jury in a state where Jews made up less than 1% of the population beggars belief).
     
    And here's the section from Lindemann's The Jew Accused where he notes that five Jews served on the grand jury (page 251):


    https://books.google.com/books?id=YCugGyqkYBQC&pg=PA251&lpg=PA251&dq=lindemann+frank+case+jewish+grand+jury&source=bl&ots=tyZf5TZp05&sig=qkY9aBlzTDF0vx_fIA7Ba0pELCo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6Ub6VPWzJIGmNtDkgoAI&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=lindemann%20frank%20case%20jewish%20grand%20jury&f=false
  133. @MLK
    How times have changed!

    Does anyone other than me even consider that not all that long ago it was inconceivable a senior New York Times reporter would write about student council politics?!

    You know a trend is in full swing when the New York Times is fully participating. That trend, quite simply is what I have described as adults bothering the kids. One of my favorite lines from Animal House comes to mind, even though the wrong guy says it. "Don't you have any respect for yourself?"

    Here’s a story that has been kicking around on the Republican rightsphere for awhile
     
    This is now a minor industry, with its Left and Right factions feeding rather pathetic adult appetites for these stories.. It's now a vicious cycle. Either the Left or Right gets the ball rolling and the other side responds. Round and round we go. For those with a political/ideological bent, it's the equivalent of the mother who secretly reads her thirteen year old daughter's dreamy diary musings on the boys at school.

    As someone who started college in 1981, I feel sorry for today's college students. I attended GW in Washington D.C., Even though I was immersed in both campus politics, and had an internship on Capitol Hill, I cannot remember a single occasion when adults paid any attention whatsoever to our shenanigans. Of course, just as adults today, despite their fierce political and ideological differences, universally agree these campus doings are of World Historical import. In my day we college students all agreed it was none of their business.

    One of my many hats was a position on the Student Publications Committee. It controlled the budgets and staffing for, most importantly, the daily student newspaper. We had stacked the committee with the express purpose of removing the paper's editor in favor of our friend. The respected and well-meaning faculty advisor, a journalism professor, was blindsided. He passionately argued we had no legitimate basis to remove her. We listened politely, and then voted to remove the paper's first female editor-in-chief, replacing her with our pal. That was the end of that, including for the dumbfounded faculty advisor. I hasten to add, the Editor-in-Chief received full tuition reimbursement.

    I'll note something else, and it also speaks to how far down the rabbit hole everyone has gone. Consider the initial OUTRAGE absent all that followed:

    “Given that you are a Jewish student and very active in the Jewish community,” Fabienne Roth, a member of the Undergraduate Students Association Council, began, looking at Ms. Beyda at the other end of the room, “how do you see yourself being able to maintain an unbiased view?
     


    Rather obviously, that was intended as a softball question! But, given today's dogma, combined with the inherent tensions in the fringe coalition that you have long noted, it quickly spun out of control. Indeed, that standard question -- "Are you going to represent everybody?" -- has become the narcissistic “how do you see yourself being able to maintain an unbiased view? Back in my day, while we still had a lot to learn, what is now called bias was assumed, and a feature of small-beer campuses doings, not a bug.

    Good point – it’s not like this college is located somewhere important like Ferguson, MO.

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  134. @anonymous-antimarxist
    It looks like the Swiss Miss Roth did not want UCLA's student council simply taken over by either BDS Israel supporters and more likely opponents.

    Ms Roth seems to have walked perhaps naively into the ADL buzzsaw.

    It seems like a ridiculous amount of money was being spent on influencing UCLA student council elections in opposition to the BDS Israel movement.

    Funny how the NYT does not tell you this????

    Here is Brietbart from a month ago:
    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/03/01/ucla-student-government-candidate-attacked-for-being-jewish/

    Anyway looks like for now things have blown up in anti-BDS folks faces.

    Ms Roth seems to have walked perhaps naively into the ADL buzzsaw.

    No, Miss Roth elected to play the ass-clown and other people pointed it out.

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  135. @Anonymous
    The names of the 4 that voted against the Jewish girl, from their "apology" letter:

    Manjot Singh
    Sofia Moreno Haq
    Fabienne Roth
    Negeen Sadeghi-Movahed


    2 seconds...
    ...is the amount of time it will take the average iSteve reader to answer the following question:
    Which one of those names was mentioned in the NY Times article?


    Those four names are the story.

    There is not much distinction between the Times and state media in their modus operandi.

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  136. @Jack D
    Most Israelis LOVE Christian fundamentalists - they get along great. It's liberal American Jews that have a strained relationship with them, especially the kind of Jews who find Bibi to be hawkish and icky too.

    Most Jews despise Christian fundamentalists but find them very, very useful.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Most Jews despise Christian fundamentalists but find them very, very useful.

    Most frothing at the mouth anti-semites impute all manner of attitudes to Jews they've never heard expressed face-to-face.
  137. @Jack D
    Yes, I think that the fact that Ms. Roth apparently did not grow up in the US has something to do with it. The whole dual-loyalty canard was pretty much put to bed in the US by the early 1960s at the latest, along with the idea that Catholics are loyal to the Pope. Personally I was shocked that she brought this up, especially at a public university which has an obligation to be non-sectarian. Let's try changing her statement a bit and see if it passes muster:

    “Given that you are a Christian student and very active in the Christian community,” Fabienne Roth, a member of the Undergraduate Students Association Council, began, looking at Ms. Beyda at the other end of the room, “how do you see yourself being able to maintain an unbiased view?”

    For the next 40 minutes, after Ms. Beyda was dispatched from the room, the council tangled in a debate about whether her faith and affiliation with Christian organizations, including her sorority and the Newman Society, a popular student group, meant she would be biased in dealing with sensitive governance questions that come before the board, which is the campus equivalent of the Supreme Court.

    Nope.

    Nope.

    I could easily envision an evangelical student subject to such an inquiry, and guiltlessly.

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  138. @yaqub the mad scientist
    And even if those bible thumpers love Israel, they are so icky and tacky and uncool and obsessed with fetuses

    You know, I wish my Southern brethren would stop offering to pony up billions in spending and fight Israel's wars for them, so Israelis wouldn't have the distasteful experience of having to acknowledge such icky, tacky people. It must be so unpleasant for them.

    I don’t know what Netanyahu’s relationship with Christian zionists is, but I saw video of his predecessor Ariel Sharon addressing an auditorium full of them, and the affection looked mutual.

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  139. @anonymous-antimarxist

    I mean, what else is there to run on in student council elections?
     
    Steve, you attended college during the relative peace of the late seventies, early eighties. By the mid eighties college student governments were all wrapped up in the end Apartheid movement. Besides the Boycott Divest Sanction South Africa initiatives that student councils were always pushing. You should know were these things call shanty towns constructed on the campus mall where the truly upworthy would actually attempt to live for a days even weeks at a time.

    A friend told me that in her journalism classes(aka Cultural Marxism 101), the TWMNBN professors all but spelled it out on the blackboard that you were not getting an A unless you were out front in the BDS SA activities. Nice sitting in a classroom surrounded by classmates sleeping in a shantytown. Hope they showered at the student rec center or would that be the act of a wrecker?

    Now, something tells me that Mr Baral, and Ms Roth and Beyda want to be on the Student Council just to make sure the campus BDS Israel movement does not get out of hand. Better to focus young minds on fighting WWG and WWT, not to mention learning about America's role in the abandonment of the Jews during the Holocaust.

    Perhaps Sheldon and Haim will start handing out campaign contributions, I mean scholarships, er' fellowships, in case they aren't already.


    Oops!!! Sorry some of my fellow isteve-ers might find that border line anti-semitic.

    Hey what do you know!!!!

    SURPRISE!!! SURPRISE!!! SURPRISE!!!

    Well Golly Mr Sailer!!!! Isn't that Google something???

    UCLA Muslim Newsmag Targets Jewish Student
    http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/ucla-muslim-newsmag-targets-jewish-student

    The editorial board of Al-Talib, the Muslim Newsmagazine at UCLA, called on Jewish student Avinoam Baral to disassociate himself from the pro-Israel program Hasbara Fellowships due to the group's alleged Islamophobia. Al-Talib alleged that the Jewish program "actively (contributes) to violence against Muslims" and asked that Baral, who is a candidate for Internal Vice President in upcoming UCLA student elections, separate himself from the program.

    The newsmagazine asked that Baral "publicly distance himself from the organization Hasbara Fellowships because of its association with the production and dissemination of Islamophobic documentaries across the United States. Unless Baral distances himself from an organization that disseminates Islamophobia, ties to anti-Muslim networks will remain accepted in campus life and politics."
     

    As TruthRevolt reported on Wednesday evening, a number candidates for UCLA student government were asked to sign an "ethics statement" prohibiting trips to Israel with Hasbara Fellowships, AIPAC and the ADL. StandWithUs Executive Director Roz Rothstein labeled the attempt "bigoted" and Israel on Campus Coalition Executive Director Jacob Baime hoped that students on campus would "not be intimidated by closed-minded zealots with their heads in the sand."
     
    Oops there is more!!!!


    Pro-Israel appeal to US patriotism fails to halt “historic” California divestment vote


    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/pro-israel-appeal-us-patriotism-fails-halt-historic-california-divestment-vote


    At a rally outside, student body president Avinoam Baral, whose scandal-plagued election campaign was financed by Islamophobic anti-Palestinian property tycoon and convicted tax evader Adam Milstein, declared that the divestment resolution was “anti-Semitic.
     

    Good research (in your post #39). My thoughts–post #33–were along the same lines but you went the extra mile and documented the underlying issue.

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  140. @SFG
    Oh god, more BDS. Between AIPAC and the Muslim groups, maybe we can establish a group for people who are sick of hearing about Israel one way or the other?

    Maybe BDSM--BDS Moderates?

    “Maybe BDSM–BDS Moderates?”

    That seems more Albertosaurus’s thing. I’m not into that.

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  141. @Jack D
    I think you are leaving something out here - 1925 was the high water mark and then there was a backlash and Jews were mostly excluded from the Ivies for decades after that.

    A Harvard alum/donor wrote to the university's president in 1925: "Naturally, after 25 years, one expects to find many changes, but to find that one's University had become so Hebrewized was a fearful shock. There were Jews to the right of me, Jews to the left of me, in fact they were so obviously everywhere that instead of leaving the Yard with pleasant memories of the past I left with a feeling of utter disgust of the present and grave doubts about the future of my Alma Mater."

    In 1926, the Jewish percentage at Harvard dropped to 15% and then stayed there for decades.

    Just after World War II, Harvard's provost, Paul Buck, argued in several essays that Harvard did not want to become dominated by the "sensitive, neurotic boy," [cough Jews cough] by those who are "intellectually over-stimulated." [cough Jews again cough]. Instead, he said, Harvard should be seeking out boys who are of the "healthy extrovert kind." [cough not Jews cough] In 1950, Yale's president, Alfred Whitney Griswold, reassured alumni that the Yale man of the future would not be a "beetle-browed, highly specialized intellectual [cough Jew cough], but a well-rounded man[cough not Jewish cough]." The same thing is going on now with Asians - America has always had an anti-intellectual bias. Only after the Russians beat us to space with Sputnik did the Ivies realize that handsome jocks were not going to win the Cold War for us (the Manhattan Project was not exactly a haven of Monahans either).

    In 1935 Yale Medical School accepted 76 applicants from a pool of 501. About 200 of those applicants were Jewish and only five got in." Dean Milton Winternitz's [ironically himself of Jewish decent though not a practicing Jew] gave precise instructions: "Never admit more than five Jews, take only two Italian Catholics, and take no blacks at all."

    In 1926, the Jewish percentage at Harvard dropped to 15% and then stayed there for decades.

    Let’s see, Jews in 1930 made up 3½ percent of the population of the USA in 1930.The horror, a group that makes up 3½ percent of the population of the USA only makes up 15% of Harvard!

    Just after World War II, Harvard’s provost, Paul Buck, argued in several essays that Harvard did not want to become dominated by the “sensitive, neurotic boy,” [cough Jews cough] by those who are “intellectually over-stimulated.” [cough Jews again cough]. Instead, he said, Harvard should be seeking out boys who are of the “healthy extrovert kind.” [cough not Jews cough]

    Yeah, trying to expand enrollment from places like Nebraska and Colorado, what were they thinking.Everybody knows that Harvard should concentrate on students from the Northeast….

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    The horror, a group that makes up 3½ percent of the population of the USA only makes up 15% of Harvard!
    --
    Latent in your assessment is the notion that we should all be thinking of Harvard admissions in terms of ethnic patronage.
    , @anonymous-antimarxist
    syon,

    Harvard's President Lawrence Lowell along with MIT's president were very concerned with their universities ending up like Colombia by the 1920's, hotbeds of dubious Marxist educational enthusiasms like Boazian Anthropology which were also almost entirely products of Jewish academic networking.

    Harvard and MIT were still very accepting of Jews who were gifted in the hard sciences who were likely to raise their schools' prestige.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbott_Lawrence_Lowell

    Another reason Jews have a big bug up their asses over Harvard and MIT from 90 years ago is that their presidents over saw the scientific and legal review of the evidence in the infamous Sacco and Vanzetti case that supported their murder convictions and executions. The "Passion of Sacco and Vanzetti" became the
    foundation myth of both the ACLU and CPUSA.

    The rabid commie fraudster Howard Zinn(Colombia grad) made his career peddling myths concerning the Italian anarchists and attacking both Harvard and MIT from his tenured post at Boston University right across the river. You can go to C-SPAN and watch 80 year old red diaper babies still all upset their innocent martyrs they learned about in leftist summer camps as children got electrocuted.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacco_and_Vanzetti#Clemency_appeal_and_the_Governor.27s_Advisory_Committee
  142. @Whiskey
    Steve, you either don't know, or are ignoring the elephant in the room.

    MUSLIMS!

    UCI is a no-go zone for Jewish students. Muslims there make life miserable, harassing students who are "visibly" Jewish, passing various BDS (Boycott, Divest, Sanctions) measures against Israel, famously invading a speech by the Israeli consul and assaulting audience members.

    Diversity = LOTS OF MUSLIMS.

    Personally, "noticing" I see Muslims EVERYWHERE in OC where back in the 90's I saw almost none, and in the early 2000s very few. My local pharmacy (CVS) has a Muslim woman in a hijab.

    UCLA and other public universities in California are a perfect storm: Muslims driving hard-left stuff against Jews. There is no place for Jewish students with any visible part of Jewish identity: names, Sabbath Observance, etc. without constant harassment. Muslims like their Jihad very, very much, and while they may not go full Chechen they are quite adept at lower levels of jihad.

    There are a lot of Jews in the entertainment industry, and increasingly those Jews are going to be coming full Titanic/Iceberg encounter with the force of Muslims in the Universities feeding into entertainment. For example, lets say a Muslim producer on a TV show (there as part of Diversity outreach) vetoes publicly (because that's what Muslims do -- they like a public Jihad not smoke signals in the lands of the Kuffar) hiring a Jewish actor -- because he's Jewish.

    What can Jews do? According to PC and Diversity Dogma, discrimination by say, Muslims cannot and does not exist. Anymore than White working class pre-teen girls in Rotherham or Oxfordshire ever get raped and forced into prostitution. Officially you can't notice.

    Anti-Jewish UCLA/UC sentiment is driven 100% by Muslims. Whatever quotas great-grandpa faced by WASPS (which in fact did exist, FWIW) 70 years ago is irrelevant to not getting hired because a Muslim producer is on jihad again, or a mid-level Hollywood Jewish entertainment figure has his kid harassed at UC for being Jewish. [Muslims trump Jews in Diversity and PC status hierarchies, just as Blacks and Hispanics do.]

    You underestimate the Jews in Hollywood. To get a sense of it, as one of them told me once, “The Israelis are the Arabs of the Jews.”

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  143. @Jack D
    From the wiki on Leo Frank

    After Frank's lynching, around half of Georgia's 3,000 Jews left the state.[104]

    104 ^ Theoharis and Cox 1988, p. 45.



    Theoharis, Athan, and John Stuart Cox. The Boss: J. Edgar Hoover and the Great American Inquisition. Temple University Press, 1988.

    Theoharis and Cox don't sound like they are members of the ADL to me.

    But if you watched Driving Miss Daisy, you are surely more of an expert on this than they are.

    Here is perhaps a more balanced and accurate history of Jews in Georgia than what might be found in a leftist screed on J Edgar Hoover.

    http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/history-archaeology/jewish-community-atlanta

    It does not mention half of Georgia’s Jewish population leaving the state after the Leo Frank lynching.
    Again hundreds maybe. Half sounds like myth making.

    But it does mention:

    Although the Jews were in a better position to become upwardly mobile, Jewish immigrants and African Americans shared poverty and resided in the same neighborhood during the early twentieth century. At the same time, more-affluent Jews employed African Americans as domestic servants. The empathetic/patronizing nature of such relationships was dramatized in Roy Hoffman’s novel Almost Family (1983) and Alfred Uhry’s play Driving Miss Daisy (1987).

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  144. @Art Deco
    The purpose of a grand jury is to determine if there is sufficient evidence for a case to go to trial, nothing more. (And the idea that there were five Jews on a 23 man grand jury in a state where Jews made up less than 1% of the population beggars belief).

    The purpose of a grand jury is to determine if there is sufficient evidence for a case to go to trial, nothing more.

    Dear fellow, we all know what a grand jury does

    (And the idea that there were five Jews on a 23 man grand jury in a state where Jews made up less than 1% of the population beggars belief).

    Well, the ADL also says that five Jews served on the grand jury:

    Five Jews sat on the grand jury that indicted Frank

    http://www.adl.org/assets/pdf/education-outreach/People-v-Leo-Frank-Teacher-s-Guide-ADL.pdf

    So, unless you can find some source arguing to the contrary….

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    Dear fellow, we all know what a grand jury does

    Then you were deliberately scamming around. Cute.
  145. @Art Deco
    The purpose of a grand jury is to determine if there is sufficient evidence for a case to go to trial, nothing more. (And the idea that there were five Jews on a 23 man grand jury in a state where Jews made up less than 1% of the population beggars belief).

    (And the idea that there were five Jews on a 23 man grand jury in a state where Jews made up less than 1% of the population beggars belief).

    And here’s the section from Lindemann’s The Jew Accused where he notes that five Jews served on the grand jury (page 251):

    https://books.google.com/books?id=YCugGyqkYBQC&pg=PA251&lpg=PA251&dq=lindemann+frank+case+jewish+grand+jury&source=bl&ots=tyZf5TZp05&sig=qkY9aBlzTDF0vx_fIA7Ba0pELCo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6Ub6VPWzJIGmNtDkgoAI&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=lindemann%20frank%20case%20jewish%20grand%20jury&f=false

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    It's a minor detail, indubitably referenced in some other secondary source, so not lingered over. I'd check his work.
  146. @syonredux

    (And the idea that there were five Jews on a 23 man grand jury in a state where Jews made up less than 1% of the population beggars belief).
     
    And here's the section from Lindemann's The Jew Accused where he notes that five Jews served on the grand jury (page 251):


    https://books.google.com/books?id=YCugGyqkYBQC&pg=PA251&lpg=PA251&dq=lindemann+frank+case+jewish+grand+jury&source=bl&ots=tyZf5TZp05&sig=qkY9aBlzTDF0vx_fIA7Ba0pELCo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6Ub6VPWzJIGmNtDkgoAI&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=lindemann%20frank%20case%20jewish%20grand%20jury&f=false

    It’s a minor detail, indubitably referenced in some other secondary source, so not lingered over. I’d check his work.

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  147. @syonredux

    The purpose of a grand jury is to determine if there is sufficient evidence for a case to go to trial, nothing more.
     
    Dear fellow, we all know what a grand jury does

    (And the idea that there were five Jews on a 23 man grand jury in a state where Jews made up less than 1% of the population beggars belief).
     
    Well, the ADL also says that five Jews served on the grand jury:

    Five Jews sat on the grand jury that indicted Frank
     
    http://www.adl.org/assets/pdf/education-outreach/People-v-Leo-Frank-Teacher-s-Guide-ADL.pdf

    So, unless you can find some source arguing to the contrary....

    Dear fellow, we all know what a grand jury does

    Then you were deliberately scamming around. Cute.

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    The old joke about grand juries is that they would indict a ham sandwich if the prosecutor told them to. Perhaps in this case, it should be changed to "indict a pastrami sandwich" instead.

    In any civilized country (that still has a death penalty - most don't . The "Big 5" in death penalties are China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the USA, so we are in good company ) there is (or should be) a high threshold of certainty because of it's irrevocable nature. Posthumous pardons don't really cut the mustard.
  148. @Oscar Peterson
    Most Jews despise Christian fundamentalists but find them very, very useful.

    Most Jews despise Christian fundamentalists but find them very, very useful.

    Most frothing at the mouth anti-semites impute all manner of attitudes to Jews they’ve never heard expressed face-to-face.

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    Most Jews despise Christian fundamentalists but find them very, very useful.

    Most frothing at the mouth anti-semites impute all manner of attitudes to Jews they’ve never heard expressed face-to-face.
     
    I've heard Jews express complete contempt for Christian fundamentalists. Of course, since my mother is Jewish, I'm sure that they thought that they were en famille....
    , @Oscar Peterson
    So is that supposed to indicate disagreement?
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    OK, I'll bite. I've talked face to face with both Jews and Christian Zionists. Have you?

    Also, I think it's fair to take into consideration the hundreds of articles of culture warring/culture critiques out there and say fairly enough that a lot of Jews have, just as I've said earlier, a reflexive stereotype of fundamentalist Christians and Southerners in general. You're not going to seriously say that you haven't read the HuffPo, Slate, Salon, Atlantic, NYT, ad nauseum stuff out there by self-identifying Jews, both Zionist and not, which express these sentiments.

    In fairness, Christian Zionists have this fantasy of the second coming where everyone accepts Christ, which I guess is cultural genocide for Jews (which is beside the point in a way- what "culture" would exist in this paradisaical singularity?-at least the CZ's want Jews to be a part of it-hey, they're "inclusive" in paradise).

    The "anti -semite" tag just reinforces the idea the "trope" of hypersensitiveness/throwing the bomb at anyone who dares question this foreign policy. I've got Jewish friends who feel completely alienated from their faith over this and the larger Palestenian issue. They're great people, and they feel awful about it.
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    And let's come full circle back to what I originally was saying on this post. Why the silly obsessiveness, why the ridiculous continued media manipulation to keep the main supporters of Jews in the "Other" camp? When I first posted, I didn't even know that most of the students opponents weren't of the "WASP tropemakers" background. That the NYT picked the blond face out just reinforced my point. The continued harping on the single Dreyfus-in-Georgia event on this thread reinforces my point. (Slightly OT, one of my ancestors was murdered near a polling office in Mississippi during the exact same period for being a Republican-it was a rougher time in general).

    Virtually every day Steve and other posters can sift through a trove of articles that are manipulated in the same passive-agressive fashion as this NYT article, articles that within a day are usually spun to indicate some "proof" or "trend" of something. If you've been reading Steve this long and can't at least acknowledge this, you're just trolling.

    Let me toss this at you. People who generate this stuff often love a kind of "crypto-" psychoanalyzing, as being on the lookout for whatever is "cryptofascist", "cryptoracist", and so on. What kind of crypto do you think all of this crap we're discussing brings out in the minds of people who see what appears to be a full court press against their culture who can't nuance it, as at least I'm trying to do? There, my friend, is why some people wind up swallowing Protocols of the Elders type conspiracy theories. A little intellectual honesty goes a long way to keeping that stuff down. Or are you one of those people who just revel in persecuted feelings?


    Finally, consider what Steve has said: criticism tends to make people better.
  149. @syonredux

    In 1926, the Jewish percentage at Harvard dropped to 15% and then stayed there for decades.
     
    Let's see, Jews in 1930 made up 3½ percent of the population of the USA in 1930.The horror, a group that makes up 3½ percent of the population of the USA only makes up 15% of Harvard!

    Just after World War II, Harvard’s provost, Paul Buck, argued in several essays that Harvard did not want to become dominated by the “sensitive, neurotic boy,” [cough Jews cough] by those who are “intellectually over-stimulated.” [cough Jews again cough]. Instead, he said, Harvard should be seeking out boys who are of the “healthy extrovert kind.” [cough not Jews cough]
     
    Yeah, trying to expand enrollment from places like Nebraska and Colorado, what were they thinking.Everybody knows that Harvard should concentrate on students from the Northeast....

    The horror, a group that makes up 3½ percent of the population of the USA only makes up 15% of Harvard!

    Latent in your assessment is the notion that we should all be thinking of Harvard admissions in terms of ethnic patronage.

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    Latent in your assessment is the notion that we should all be thinking of Harvard admissions in terms of ethnic patronage.
     
    Isn't that the PC opinion? Last time I checked, people are frightfully keen to make sure that appropriate percentages of Harvard are Black, Hispanic, etc.Of course, I realize that that kind of thinking is doubleplusgood only when it pertains to certain favored races....


    And people started getting quite upset when Princeton saw its Jewish share drop:

    So how can it be, Mr. Katz and other Jews on campus are asking, that Princeton's Jewish enrollment has fallen by nearly half since the early 1980's -- to about 10 percent, or about 450 undergraduates, from a high of 18 percent? Why do other Ivy League campuses -- Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Penn -- manage to keep Jewish populations of at least a quarter and in some cases more than a third?
     
    http://www.nytimes.com/1999/06/02/nyregion/princeton-puzzle-where-have-jewish-students-gone.html

    It certainly looks as though some people view Princeton Jewish admissions in terms of ethnic patronage....

    Then you were deliberately scamming around. Cute.
     
    Dear boy, had I been "scamming around," I would have deleted the "grand" before the "jury."

    It’s a minor detail, indubitably referenced in some other secondary source, so not lingered over. I’d check his work.
     
    Odd, though, that the ADL would use it, if there were any doubt.So, as I said before, get cracking.Prove that five Jews were not on the grand jury.
    , @Jack D
    The reason Harvard was 30% Jewish pre-1925 was that they used the same college admissions system that is used to this day in most countries that are not hotbeds of ethnic tension (Japan, China, France until recently, etc.) . You administer a tough but fair admission exam (in those pre-SAT days each college had its own) and you rank the applicants scores in order and if you have 1,000 seats to fill you pick the top 1,000 finishers. No interviews, no essays, no recommendations, no bullshit - you just take the smartest people you can find to fill your class. Since this was producing "unacceptable" results from an ethnic point of view, they switched to a "holistic" system in which they could disguise their ethnic discrimination behind lots of smoke and mirrors. This "holistic" system continues to exist to this day - in the '60s it was repurposed to discriminate in favor of blacks instead of against Jews (and now used to discriminate against Asians). It's a beautiful system because it's impossible to prove that you are discriminating. "Disparate impact " analysis doesn't work for Asians, because like Jews before them, they are still OVER represented based on % of general population. Most Americans think that this system was given to us by God or George Washington or something, but it was born in sin out of a desire to practice disguised ethnic discrimination.
  150. @Anonymous
    There is a basic difference between Slavery in the United States and the Holocaust in Europe. Think about it: the answer is in my comment.

    There is a basic difference between all different things. I'm not seeing the relevance of World War 2 to this discussion. Can you explain?

    Slavery happened in America. The Holocaust (or World War Two with its attendant atrocities, if you want to put it that way) did not.

    Syon’s whole point was that Jewish victimology in the history of the United States was something of a stretch, especially given the maltreatment given out to non-Whites in our history. I strongly concur. He elaborated in a further reply, below.

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  151. @Tacitus2016
    I went on a Contiki Tour of Europe with Haven Monahan a couple of decades ago. There was Jewish girl on the tour and Haven rather ungraciously rebuffed her romantic overtures. Poor boy Haven.

    “I went on a Contiki Tour of Europe with Haven Monahan a couple of decades ago. There was Jewish girl on the tour and Haven rather ungraciously rebuffed her romantic overtures. Poor boy Haven.”

    I knew Haven Monahan too. I also hung out with him in Paris one summer with some other American Ex-Pats several decades ago, including one mutual friend who had a horse racing addiction as I recall. Haven and I even ended up accompanying this poor fellow to a racetrack outside of Paris with some other friends. Haven of course, as his usual luck would have it, won big that day.

    Haven was a gentlemen … and a babe magnet if ever there was one. True what you said about him and Jewish girls…he didn’t care for them even (or especially when) they thew themselves at him. On the other hand, as I recall he did have a thing for the French ladies and they for him.

    Craziest true story about Haven.

    He would, I kid you not, pick up French ladies by asking them to accompany him to shop for lingerie as a surprise gift for his American fiancee back home in the states! He would claim he needed their help because he was not sure of his lady’s measurements. What a rascal he was! Pretty soon he would just go off canoodling with the French girl, claiming she had made him forget about his American girl! Those French girls are very competitive I guess…

    Not sure how he managed it. It was amazing to witness. Of course when you are as good looking as Haven is (was?) the world is a little different no? I wouldn’t recommend his technique for mere mortals such as the rest of us…your mileage may vary …LOL!

    Of course, these French girls often had a girlfriend (of usually slightly lesser beauty alas), who also needed male companionship for the inevitable double dates. That is where I came in. I have many warm memories (literally ha ha!) of those evening we spent together!

    Sigh that was so many years ago. Hope he is well.

    Long live Haven!

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  152. @syonredux

    In 1926, the Jewish percentage at Harvard dropped to 15% and then stayed there for decades.
     
    Let's see, Jews in 1930 made up 3½ percent of the population of the USA in 1930.The horror, a group that makes up 3½ percent of the population of the USA only makes up 15% of Harvard!

    Just after World War II, Harvard’s provost, Paul Buck, argued in several essays that Harvard did not want to become dominated by the “sensitive, neurotic boy,” [cough Jews cough] by those who are “intellectually over-stimulated.” [cough Jews again cough]. Instead, he said, Harvard should be seeking out boys who are of the “healthy extrovert kind.” [cough not Jews cough]
     
    Yeah, trying to expand enrollment from places like Nebraska and Colorado, what were they thinking.Everybody knows that Harvard should concentrate on students from the Northeast....

    syon,

    Harvard’s President Lawrence Lowell along with MIT’s president were very concerned with their universities ending up like Colombia by the 1920′s, hotbeds of dubious Marxist educational enthusiasms like Boazian Anthropology which were also almost entirely products of Jewish academic networking.

    Harvard and MIT were still very accepting of Jews who were gifted in the hard sciences who were likely to raise their schools’ prestige.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbott_Lawrence_Lowell

    Another reason Jews have a big bug up their asses over Harvard and MIT from 90 years ago is that their presidents over saw the scientific and legal review of the evidence in the infamous Sacco and Vanzetti case that supported their murder convictions and executions. The “Passion of Sacco and Vanzetti” became the
    foundation myth of both the ACLU and CPUSA.

    The rabid commie fraudster Howard Zinn(Colombia grad) made his career peddling myths concerning the Italian anarchists and attacking both Harvard and MIT from his tenured post at Boston University right across the river. You can go to C-SPAN and watch 80 year old red diaper babies still all upset their innocent martyrs they learned about in leftist summer camps as children got electrocuted.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacco_and_Vanzetti#Clemency_appeal_and_the_Governor.27s_Advisory_Committee

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    The school is spelled with a "u": Columbia. Colombia is the country.
  153. @Jack D
    I guess Teddy's view must have won out. Once upon a time, back then, there were St. Patrick's Day parades for Irish-Americans and Columbus Day parades for Italian-Americans, and so on but I guess that custom must have died out because I never see anyone wearing green on St. Patrick's Day anymore.

    I guess Teddy’s view must have won out. Once upon a time, back then, there were St. Patrick’s Day parades for Irish-Americans and Columbus Day parades for Italian-Americans, and so on but I guess that custom must have died out because I never see anyone wearing green on St. Patrick’s Day anymore.

    Sadly, TR’s views did not carry the day.Hence, our current deplorable condition, where American citizenship means nothing, and an Israeli citizen is allowed to serve on the Federal Reserve.

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  154. @Jack D
    But by the standards of his time????????

    As far as I know, there has never been a time in the US where lynching was a standard form of justice. If it was, then Lincoln and Jefferson were spinning in their graves - that's not what they signed us up for.

    I think you know what I mean. Lynching Frank was obscene and reprehensible. However, I believe that very few other 1st degree murder cases in 1914 went through the scrutiny that Frank’s did.

    Frank’s case was unprecedented in may ways, especially the nature of the Governor’s commuting of his execution.

    Now a days of course obviously guilty first degree murders like Mumia Abu-Jamal get to be multiple millionaires peddling stories of their innocence to the gullible . He got to father kids while in prison and now rates conjugal visits from young pussy that started to learn to worship him while still in diapers.

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    >However, I believe that very few other 1st degree murder cases in 1914 went through the scrutiny that Frank’s did.

    Of course not - that's the whole definition of a cause célèbre. Few murder trials in 1995 went thru the scrutiny of the OJ trial either. Just because the case was high profile and received a lot of scrutiny doesn't mean that the jury's verdict was correct. Dreyfus was also wrongly convicted at first, but since no French mob lynched him, he lived to be exonerated.

    The power of executives to grand pardons or commutations was not a new thing in 1914. It is enshrined in the Federal constitution and most state constitutions. It was a standard plot device in old movies - they are just about to hook the star up to Old Sparky and the governor rings the phone in the death house. Why was the rest of Frank's trial all good and due processy (by the standards of the time) but the governor's commutation was not?
  155. @Art Deco
    The horror, a group that makes up 3½ percent of the population of the USA only makes up 15% of Harvard!
    --
    Latent in your assessment is the notion that we should all be thinking of Harvard admissions in terms of ethnic patronage.

    Latent in your assessment is the notion that we should all be thinking of Harvard admissions in terms of ethnic patronage.

    Isn’t that the PC opinion? Last time I checked, people are frightfully keen to make sure that appropriate percentages of Harvard are Black, Hispanic, etc.Of course, I realize that that kind of thinking is doubleplusgood only when it pertains to certain favored races….

    And people started getting quite upset when Princeton saw its Jewish share drop:

    So how can it be, Mr. Katz and other Jews on campus are asking, that Princeton’s Jewish enrollment has fallen by nearly half since the early 1980′s — to about 10 percent, or about 450 undergraduates, from a high of 18 percent? Why do other Ivy League campuses — Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Penn — manage to keep Jewish populations of at least a quarter and in some cases more than a third?

    http://www.nytimes.com/1999/06/02/nyregion/princeton-puzzle-where-have-jewish-students-gone.html

    It certainly looks as though some people view Princeton Jewish admissions in terms of ethnic patronage….

    Then you were deliberately scamming around. Cute.

    Dear boy, had I been “scamming around,” I would have deleted the “grand” before the “jury.”

    It’s a minor detail, indubitably referenced in some other secondary source, so not lingered over. I’d check his work.

    Odd, though, that the ADL would use it, if there were any doubt.So, as I said before, get cracking.Prove that five Jews were not on the grand jury.

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  156. @Art Deco
    Most Jews despise Christian fundamentalists but find them very, very useful.

    Most frothing at the mouth anti-semites impute all manner of attitudes to Jews they've never heard expressed face-to-face.

    Most Jews despise Christian fundamentalists but find them very, very useful.

    Most frothing at the mouth anti-semites impute all manner of attitudes to Jews they’ve never heard expressed face-to-face.

    I’ve heard Jews express complete contempt for Christian fundamentalists. Of course, since my mother is Jewish, I’m sure that they thought that they were en famille….

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    I’ve heard Jews express complete contempt for Christian fundamentalists. Of course, since my mother is Jewish, I’m sure that they thought that they were en famille….
     
    It is hard for me to fully understand that contempt. I can guess several different causes of it, but I don't feel I know the leading cause. It is perhaps a contempt for...

    - Those who are perceived as social inferiors
    - Those who live far away and have unusual customs, speech patterns, etc.
    - White Southerners, whom Northern Jews often mistakenly believe to be hostile to them because of what they did to Leo Frank, etc.
    - White Southerners, whom Northern Jews often mistakenly believe to be knuckle-dragging Neanderthals
    - Those who believe in the literal truth of the Bible and would thus view Jews as being guilty of the crime of deicide, and might also know other anti-Jew Bible verses such as "I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan" (Rev. 2:9).
    - Republicans, who belong to an opposing political party.

    If the animus is directed more against Southern evangelicals, then they would hate Jimmy Carter more than Scott Walker. If it's directed more at Republicans, then the reverse would be the case.
  157. @Art Deco
    **Gotta give Jews credit, though.They’ve milked the Leo Frank case for all that it’s worth.Of course,

    ==

    When you find yourself saying things like this, why not put in the name of an actual person and see if it still makes sense, as in "**Gotta give Jerry Gorfine credit, though. He's milked the Leo Frank case for all that it’s worth."

    Honestly, there is not some massive body of literature on this case (perhaps a half dozen books in a century). It's a true crime story with some odd features. (Austere local burgesses are seldom accused of murdering children consequent to sexual perversions, much less are they lynched with the kudos of the local community).

    **Gotta give Jews credit, though.They’ve milked the Leo Frank case for all that it’s worth.Of course,

    ==

    When you find yourself saying things like this, why not put in the name of an actual person and see if it still makes sense, as in “**Gotta give Jerry Gorfine credit, though. He’s milked the Leo Frank case for all that it’s worth.”

    OK.”Gotta give Abraham Foxman credit credit, though; he’s milked the Leo Frank case for all that it’s worth.”Sounds good.

    Honestly, there is not some massive body of literature on this case (perhaps a half dozen books in a century). It’s a true crime story with some odd features. (Austere local burgesses are seldom accused of murdering children consequent to sexual perversions, much less are they lynched with the kudos of the local community).

    And a lot of that has to do with the Jewish community working to memorialize it…..

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  158. @Art Deco
    The horror, a group that makes up 3½ percent of the population of the USA only makes up 15% of Harvard!
    --
    Latent in your assessment is the notion that we should all be thinking of Harvard admissions in terms of ethnic patronage.

    The reason Harvard was 30% Jewish pre-1925 was that they used the same college admissions system that is used to this day in most countries that are not hotbeds of ethnic tension (Japan, China, France until recently, etc.) . You administer a tough but fair admission exam (in those pre-SAT days each college had its own) and you rank the applicants scores in order and if you have 1,000 seats to fill you pick the top 1,000 finishers. No interviews, no essays, no recommendations, no bullshit – you just take the smartest people you can find to fill your class. Since this was producing “unacceptable” results from an ethnic point of view, they switched to a “holistic” system in which they could disguise their ethnic discrimination behind lots of smoke and mirrors. This “holistic” system continues to exist to this day – in the ’60s it was repurposed to discriminate in favor of blacks instead of against Jews (and now used to discriminate against Asians). It’s a beautiful system because it’s impossible to prove that you are discriminating. “Disparate impact ” analysis doesn’t work for Asians, because like Jews before them, they are still OVER represented based on % of general population. Most Americans think that this system was given to us by God or George Washington or something, but it was born in sin out of a desire to practice disguised ethnic discrimination.

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    Harvard also switched to national recruiting, giving bonus points to applicants from, say, Wyoming. Many Jewish faculty felt that was anti-Semitic.

    Rice U. had the opposite system -- William Marsh Rice had founded the university to help uplift Texans, so it gave bonus points to in-state applicants. The faculty got that overturned in the 1980s. My old Shakespeare prof Dr. Grob felt that giving a break to Texans was anti-Semitic.

    , @anonymous-antimarxist
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbott_Lawrence_Lowell#Admissions_and_Jewish_quota_controversy

    Following Lowell's earlier reform of Harvard's admissions process to increase the admission of public school students, the Jewish proportion of the student body rose from 6% in 1908 to 22% in 1922, at a time when Jews constituted about 3% of the U.S. population. Lowell, continuing to focus on the cohesiveness of the student body, described a campus where antisemitism was growing and Jewish students were ever more likely to be isolated from the majority. He feared—and recent developments at Columbia University supported him—that the social elite would cease sending its sons to Harvard as Jewish enrollment increased. He cited what he saw as the parallel experience of hotels and clubs that lost their old membership when the proportion of Jewish members increased. He proposed limiting Jewish admissions to 15% of the entering class. His attempts to persuade members of the Harvard Board of Overseers to adopt his views were already failing when the plan was leaked to the Boston Post in May 1922. The idea was immediately denounced by Irish and black groups and by the American Federation of Labor.[48]

    Lowell continued to argue both in private correspondence and in public speeches that his rationale was the welfare of the Jewish students. "It is the duty of Harvard," he said, "to receive just as many boys who have come, or whose parents have come, to his country without our background as it can effectively educate." If higher Jewish enrollment provoked greater prejudice against them, he asked, "How can we cause the Jews to feel and be regarded as an integral part of the student body?" He also suggested that Harvard would not be facing this issue if other universities and colleges would admit Jews in similar numbers: "If every college in the country would take a limited proportion of Jews, I suspect we should go a long way toward eliminating race feeling among the students."[49]

    The question was turned over to a faculty committee: the Committee on Methods of Sifting Candidates for Admission. In the course of the internal campaign to influence that group's work, Lowell sought to exploit divisions within the Jewish community. Despite the basic divide between the older Jewish immigrants, usually of German origin, and the lower class of more recently arrived Eastern European Jews, Lowell found no ally there who would articulate his view of "desirable" and "undesirable" Jews. The faculty committee eventually rejected Lowell's proposed quota. Instead, Harvard's new guiding principle in admissions would be the top seventh rule. Harvard would reach out to youths in smaller cities and towns, even to rural communities, with the guideline that the student place in the top seventh of his class. It would seek "to pick out the best pupils from good schools, here, there, and everywhere." Though some suspected this was nothing but a covert way to decrease Jewish enrollment, the policy had the opposite effect. The numbers of non-Jewish students attracted from the South and West could not match the larger numbers of Jews admitted from the Middle Atlantic and New England states. By 1925, Jews made up 27% of the entering class.[50]

    Lowell then found another way to accomplish his goal, this time less publicly. He first won approval from the Harvard Board of Overseers for a new policy that would, in addition to traditional academic criteria, use letters from teachers and interviews to assess an applicant's "aptitude and character," thus introducing discretion in the place of the strict top seventh rule. He even persuaded one doubtful Overseer that this would not support discrimination against Jews as a group, but merely "careful discernment of differences among individuals." When Lowell gained final approval of these modifications in 1926 and appointed a compliant Admissions Committee, he had won his way.[51] When Lowell left his position in 1933, Jews made up 10% of the undergraduate population.[52]
     
    Lowell's concern was that Harvard would end up a hot bed of Marxist academic enthusiasms as was the case with Colombia University with Boazian Anthropology in large part to the fierce ethnic networking of eastern European Jews.

    See my earlier post.
  159. @LMH
    >So, not getting into the right fraternity/sorority or country club is pretty small potatoes when compared to slavery, Jim Crow, lynching

    Slavery ended in the 19th century, and affected a marginal proportion of the world's blacks. The Holocaust ended within our (grand)parents' lifetime, and killed fully 1/3 of the world's jews -- that's not counting the jews who were merely enslaved or merely lost their livelihoods and had their property confiscated.

    Then, while blacks went on to benefit from affirmative action, jews had the privilege of being the "old Asians."

    Jews can claim the mantle of most-oppressed group, easily.

    “The Holocaust ended within our (grand)parents’ lifetime, and killed fully 1/3 of the world’s jews ”

    The United States didn’t do the Holocaust — White American families sent their sons to risk death to LIBERATE the camps. What do *WE* have to answer for? Nothing. Yet, OMG, we have to hear constantly about how anti-semitism is just rife in America by likes of the Southern Poverty Law Center and Anti-Defamation League.

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  160. @Art Deco
    You can make an argument for Jews as most-oppressed group *globally*. Though I still think the Roma might have us beat.

    Gypsy populations have trouble with the authorities because they are generally a public order problem.

    http://www.amazon.com/Bury-Me-Standing-Gypsies-Journey/dp/067973743X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1425683933&sr=1-1&keywords=bury+me+standing

    So you can conceive of reasons why the neighbors of the Roma don’t like them.
    You either know of or can imagine good reasons for the terrible reputation they have.
    Yet, when it comes to Jews, to even think of reasons why their neighbors haven’t like them and, worse, to even think that there might have been good reasons for their neighbors to not like them, that’s a sign of mental illness. Ok. Got it.

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    Criminal syndicates are quite unremarkable in Gypsy populations and this is acknowledged by anthropologists who have studied Gypsy populations and liberal politicians (e.g. Vaclav Havel) who've had to confront Gypsy populations. Nor is it something like the Sicilianate mob, which implicated at most a five digit subset of a seven digit population.
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    Of course, there are no Jewish criminal syndicates (although there were Jewish figures in the Mafia like Meyer Lansky). Jews are a largely bourgeois population (generally suburban) who are not found in appreciable numbers in prison populations. In high concentrations and in select loci (New York City and Tel Aviv), they have a reputation for verbal aggression. The New York Jew is something of a caricature, particularly when you're talking about my contemporaries or anyone younger. As for Tel Aviv, the aggrieved neighbors would be...each other.
    --
    Now, you really do not think I fancy this board is populated with people who've been given a dressing down by Mrs. Saperstein in the lobby of their apartment building on the Upper West Side, do you? (And even if you had, why blame anyone but Mrs. Saperstein?). Not one person here has ever given evidence that their weird obsession with and resentment of Jews has any source but the foetid gorgonzola between their ears.
  161. @Jack D
    The reason Harvard was 30% Jewish pre-1925 was that they used the same college admissions system that is used to this day in most countries that are not hotbeds of ethnic tension (Japan, China, France until recently, etc.) . You administer a tough but fair admission exam (in those pre-SAT days each college had its own) and you rank the applicants scores in order and if you have 1,000 seats to fill you pick the top 1,000 finishers. No interviews, no essays, no recommendations, no bullshit - you just take the smartest people you can find to fill your class. Since this was producing "unacceptable" results from an ethnic point of view, they switched to a "holistic" system in which they could disguise their ethnic discrimination behind lots of smoke and mirrors. This "holistic" system continues to exist to this day - in the '60s it was repurposed to discriminate in favor of blacks instead of against Jews (and now used to discriminate against Asians). It's a beautiful system because it's impossible to prove that you are discriminating. "Disparate impact " analysis doesn't work for Asians, because like Jews before them, they are still OVER represented based on % of general population. Most Americans think that this system was given to us by God or George Washington or something, but it was born in sin out of a desire to practice disguised ethnic discrimination.

    Harvard also switched to national recruiting, giving bonus points to applicants from, say, Wyoming. Many Jewish faculty felt that was anti-Semitic.

    Rice U. had the opposite system — William Marsh Rice had founded the university to help uplift Texans, so it gave bonus points to in-state applicants. The faculty got that overturned in the 1980s. My old Shakespeare prof Dr. Grob felt that giving a break to Texans was anti-Semitic.

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    Gee, isn't that a funny coincidence - the Northeast had a lot of Jews, and the schools located in the Northeast just happened to decide to "diversify" in favor of folks out West. Texas had not many Jews and the schools there decided to favor people from nearby.
    , @Jack D
    {I posted something like this before but it didn't seem to show up).

    I'm sure it was just a coincidence that Harvard, with lots of local Jews, discriminated in favor of out-of-staters, while Rice, with few local Jews, discriminated in favor of locals. A mere coincidence.
  162. @Art Deco
    Dear fellow, we all know what a grand jury does

    Then you were deliberately scamming around. Cute.

    The old joke about grand juries is that they would indict a ham sandwich if the prosecutor told them to. Perhaps in this case, it should be changed to “indict a pastrami sandwich” instead.

    In any civilized country (that still has a death penalty – most don’t . The “Big 5″ in death penalties are China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the USA, so we are in good company ) there is (or should be) a high threshold of certainty because of it’s irrevocable nature. Posthumous pardons don’t really cut the mustard.

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    The "threshold of certainty" is "beyond a reasonable doubt." It was the same one hundred years ago, and one hundred years before that. It has always been so, in the United States of America.

    I am certain that the vast majority of jurors who have voted to convict defendants would claim that they had no discernible doubt whatsoever of those defendants' respective guilt, and that nearly all jurors who have further voted in favor of death sentences would say the same thing. The problem is, absolute certainty in the minds of jurors does not equate to absolute certainty in fact.

    Those people falsely convicted of real crimes in this country-- which is closer to a daily occurence than a rarity-- were rarely convicted by bloodthirsty bigots who were impervious to facts and the actual truth; they were convicted, overwhelmingly, by conscientious jurors who had put their own faith in both the system, represented by the courts and the prosecutors, and in the evidence presented to them in court.

    The two most powerful forms of trial evidence, however, are confessions and eyewitness identifications-- and both of those, I know as both a former attorney and a former social-scientific legal consultant, are remarkably fallible. People falsely confess even to serious crimes on a daily basis, in a country this large, both spontaneously, due to mental illness, and reluctantly, due to police and prosecutorial coercion, as well as to "cop a plea," and thus avoid potential disasters of even greater magnitude.

    Eyewitness identification is a far bigger problem still. Once a person becomes convinced of what he witnessed, often under suasion from the authorities, it becomes very difficult for him later to realize, let alone to admit, that he was wrong. Once an eyewitness has testified before a jury, it becomes very difficult for jurors later to reject that testimony, unless it has been directly countered by someone else.

    Thus, the prosecutorial willingness, so often, to play the rank "jailhouse snitch" gambit-- which is, for instance, how a poor Salvadoran illegal alien was belatedly railroaded into a life sentence for the assumed murder of hallowed victim Chandra Levy, after a "Washington Post" reporter who saw Ms. Levy as a younger incarnation of herself (as she explicitly stated in the newspaper series that started the ball rolling to indicting Senor Guandique) decided that such an outrage had to be avenged! That the reporter's star witness, in that newspaper series, a former U.S. Park Service detective, was not even called to testify by the Federal prosecutors, who relied instead upon a jailhouse snitch, should tell one all one needs to know about the strength of the case against the hapless illegal alien.

    As far as the ancient case of Mr. Frank goes, although I do not claim to be an expert on that particular historical case, I am personally convinced, by what reading I have done on it, that Mr. Conley was the lone killer, and falsely testified against Mr. Frank to save his own skin. I do not believe, however, that Mr. Frank was lynched because of his religion or ethnicity; I believe that he was lynched because the authorities had convinced the locals, and especially the rabble-rousers among them, that he was guilty and deserved to die. I believe that he was lynched out of rage and disgust at what he was believed to have done to an innocent girl.

    For the record, I am against the death penalty, on principle.

    , @syonredux

    The old joke about grand juries is that they would indict a ham sandwich if the prosecutor told them to. Perhaps in this case, it should be changed to “indict a pastrami sandwich” instead.
     
    MMMM, more confirmation of my original assertion regarding the Leo Frank case and the Jewish mind......
  163. @Art Deco
    I wish my Southern brethren would stop offering to pony up billions in spending and fight Israel’s wars for them

    --

    Security assistance to Israel amounts to about 1/3 of 1% of the military budget and perhaps 1.2% of Israel's domestic product. There is no other aid to Israel. And, of course, no American troops have ever been deployed in any war in which Israel was a participant.

    They can pay us, not the other way around. The reason Israel has not deployed troops is that they are more than happy to make use of ours instead

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    They've never made use of ours, except in your imagination.
  164. @syonredux

    Most Jews despise Christian fundamentalists but find them very, very useful.

    Most frothing at the mouth anti-semites impute all manner of attitudes to Jews they’ve never heard expressed face-to-face.
     
    I've heard Jews express complete contempt for Christian fundamentalists. Of course, since my mother is Jewish, I'm sure that they thought that they were en famille....

    I’ve heard Jews express complete contempt for Christian fundamentalists. Of course, since my mother is Jewish, I’m sure that they thought that they were en famille….

    It is hard for me to fully understand that contempt. I can guess several different causes of it, but I don’t feel I know the leading cause. It is perhaps a contempt for…

    - Those who are perceived as social inferiors
    - Those who live far away and have unusual customs, speech patterns, etc.
    - White Southerners, whom Northern Jews often mistakenly believe to be hostile to them because of what they did to Leo Frank, etc.
    - White Southerners, whom Northern Jews often mistakenly believe to be knuckle-dragging Neanderthals
    - Those who believe in the literal truth of the Bible and would thus view Jews as being guilty of the crime of deicide, and might also know other anti-Jew Bible verses such as “I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan” (Rev. 2:9).
    - Republicans, who belong to an opposing political party.

    If the animus is directed more against Southern evangelicals, then they would hate Jimmy Carter more than Scott Walker. If it’s directed more at Republicans, then the reverse would be the case.

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  165. @Steve Sailer
    Harvard also switched to national recruiting, giving bonus points to applicants from, say, Wyoming. Many Jewish faculty felt that was anti-Semitic.

    Rice U. had the opposite system -- William Marsh Rice had founded the university to help uplift Texans, so it gave bonus points to in-state applicants. The faculty got that overturned in the 1980s. My old Shakespeare prof Dr. Grob felt that giving a break to Texans was anti-Semitic.

    Gee, isn’t that a funny coincidence – the Northeast had a lot of Jews, and the schools located in the Northeast just happened to decide to “diversify” in favor of folks out West. Texas had not many Jews and the schools there decided to favor people from nearby.

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    The reason Harvard was 30% Jewish pre-1925 was that they used the same college admissions system that is used to this day in most countries that are not hotbeds of ethnic tension (Japan, China, France until recently, etc.) . You administer a tough but fair admission exam (in those pre-SAT days each college had its own) and you rank the applicants scores in order and if you have 1,000 seats to fill you pick the top 1,000 finishers. No interviews, no essays, no recommendations, no bullshit – you just take the smartest people you can find to fill your class.
     
    And, up until that time, Harvard's student body was heavily recruited from the Northeastern USA.Was that fair to students in Oregon or Washington state?

    This “holistic” system continues to exist to this day – in the ’60s it was repurposed to discriminate in favor of blacks instead of against Jews (and now used to discriminate against Asians).
     
    MMM, seems to me that quite a lot of White Gentiles have been turned away in favor of Blacks, dear fellow.Of course, your moral vision seems to only encompass a chosen few....

    Gee, isn’t that a funny coincidence – the Northeast had a lot of Jews, and the schools located in the Northeast just happened to decide to “diversify” in favor of folks out West. Texas had not many Jews and the schools there decided to favor people from nearby.
     
    Gee, isn't it funny how Princeton experiencing a drop in the number of its Jewish students was a cause celebre in the NYTIMES?:

    So how can it be, Mr. Katz and other Jews on campus are asking, that Princeton’s Jewish enrollment has fallen by nearly half since the early 1980′s — to about 10 percent, or about 450 undergraduates, from a high of 18 percent? Why do other Ivy League campuses — Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Penn — manage to keep Jewish populations of at least a quarter and in some cases more than a third?

    http://www.nytimes.com/1999/06/02/nyregion/princeton-puzzle-where-have-jewish-students-gone.html
     
    For that matter, isn't it funny how Vanderbilt suddenly decided that it needed lots of Jews:

    Before Jewish programming began, Vanderbilt had a Jewish population of about 3%, a number that had been relatively stable over the previous 15 years. Now, the campus of 6,500 has about 1,000 Jewish students, or 15% of the student body.

     

    http://forward.com/articles/130140/small-colleges-reach-out-to-expand-their-jewish-st/

    Why no complaints about that kind of ethnically focused recruiting, dear fellow?Who-whom, I suppose.
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    @MLK

    Well, let’s start by saying that no group in American society has been as victimized* as Blacks.
     
    Bingo! Though I would drop the scare quotes. The real Black Metaphor of Suffering has been hijacked. All the identity "movements" (this is where the scare quotes belong) that followed are parasites. The cardinal mistake we made was morphing Black Civil Rights into just Civil Rights, and now Diversity.

    I've long looked at it this way: From our founding there was always an asterisk next to any and all Rights -- *Except blacks. Which, see below . . ." We should have maintained their unique, treatment under the law. We would have been world's better off if we had honestly and openly flipped their sui generis treatment from headwind to wind-at-their-backs.

    Whenever I read all the belly-aching from the parasites -- now many self-professed conservatives have joined the party -- I find myself wishing we had a contingent of Chinese Communist Party functionaries around to beat them with sticks until they are quiet.

    The blame in no small part belongs with Jesse Jackson. His Rainbow Coalition is the "I was Country before it was cool" of Fringe Coalition building. If there is any justice in this world, he will eventually be viewed by blacks (especially) as the individual who most damaged black interests.

    Except that they didn’t get damaged. You now have at least three large industries devoted to black employment: law enforcement, state-local education, and minor cabinet agencies (labor, education, post office). Pretty good.

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    You now have at least three large industries devoted to black employment: law enforcement, state-local education, and minor cabinet agencies (labor, education, post office).
     
    In other words, the black Middle Class is a function of government.

    Pretty good.
     
    Since the question was one of assessing how the descendants of slaves have made out, ad relatively so, I doubt there are many takers for your rosy assessment.

    Except that they didn’t get damaged.
     
    No? Remember, this was a question of how the descendants of slaves have fared in the era of, and as a result of, mass immigration?

    Jackson's Rainbow Coalition theorizing came in the early 80s. The Democrats have been following that playbook ever since. Barbara Jordan's Commission on Immigration in the mid-90s was the last gasp of any opposition to it in the Democratic Party.

    The Republican Party was never even in the game. Though they claimed they were in the form of Jack Kemp:

    Kemp had a far different attitude toward immigrants than virtually all Republicans today. He welcomed them, seeing immigration as one of the economy’s lifebloods.

     

    Those parts of the Republican Party opposed to mass immigration (and amnesty) were neutralized. In no small part by deflecting their energies against blacks, their natural and essential allies. As many of the comments here attest, many Immigration Restrictionists still haven't figured this out.

    While it is easy for people to see the distinguishing characteristics of Jewish political participation, i.e. they are exponentially more consequential than their numbers imply. Most whites cannot and will not accept the same about blacks. Quite simply, blacks are unique in American life. Jews punch above their weight for reasons I don't need to even cite here. Blacks punch above their weight without even punching. Their power derives from their Metaphor of Suffering.
  167. @anonymous-antimarxist
    I think you know what I mean. Lynching Frank was obscene and reprehensible. However, I believe that very few other 1st degree murder cases in 1914 went through the scrutiny that Frank's did.

    Frank's case was unprecedented in may ways, especially the nature of the Governor's commuting of his execution.

    Now a days of course obviously guilty first degree murders like Mumia Abu-Jamal get to be multiple millionaires peddling stories of their innocence to the gullible . He got to father kids while in prison and now rates conjugal visits from young pussy that started to learn to worship him while still in diapers.

    >However, I believe that very few other 1st degree murder cases in 1914 went through the scrutiny that Frank’s did.

    Of course not – that’s the whole definition of a cause célèbre. Few murder trials in 1995 went thru the scrutiny of the OJ trial either. Just because the case was high profile and received a lot of scrutiny doesn’t mean that the jury’s verdict was correct. Dreyfus was also wrongly convicted at first, but since no French mob lynched him, he lived to be exonerated.

    The power of executives to grand pardons or commutations was not a new thing in 1914. It is enshrined in the Federal constitution and most state constitutions. It was a standard plot device in old movies – they are just about to hook the star up to Old Sparky and the governor rings the phone in the death house. Why was the rest of Frank’s trial all good and due processy (by the standards of the time) but the governor’s commutation was not?

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    IMHO the OJ trial verdict was a pretty blatant example of jury nullification on racial grounds. But how has white American reacted??? For the most part in a positive, practical, and future time oriented fashion. In the last 20 years the process of crime scene evidence preservation and collection has been revolutionized, professionalized and made a separate responsibility of specific technicians following specified methodologies.

    The only way it was possible for a rational individual to believe OJ was not guilty based on the DNA evidence was to believe that there was a conspiracy among the veteran respected white homicide detectives to frame OJ. by tampering with the crime scene or that the evidence was contaminated at the LA County crime lab that was long over due for a complete overhaul. OJ's lawyers made a case nonetheless that this was barely remotely plausible.

    How have things changed in the last 20 years? Today there are now several dozen shows on TV, fictional and non-fiction that deal state of the art forensics.

    Another example of I say of white European culture's ability to learn from the past, but then look forward for solutions.

    Look as a goyim I did not grow up in a grade school or attend religious education being to told how Leo Frank, was railroaded in court and then eventually lynched by the evil Jew hating gentiles. Nor was I brainwashed with Red Diaper baby's account of the framing of Sacco and Vanzetti, Bruno Richard Hauptmann, the Rosenbergs, Alger Hiss, The Hollywood Ten........ I can not possibly see these cases through the persecution complex with which many Jews understand them.

    But I do see a definite "What's good for Jews" pattern and a lack for future time orientation.

    I simply read several different accounts of the Leo Frank trial and came to the conclusion that it was reasonable for a jury in that day and age given its limited forensic science to convict Leo Frank. By today's standards there are half dozen of evidence tests now available that I would have to see met before agreeing that Frank deserved to be found guilty. But I think the people of Georgia in 1914 did their best and the verdict itself was not the result of anti-Semitism.
  168. “Art Deco says:

    @syon

    “”The horror, a group that makes up 3½ percent of the population of the USA only makes up 15% of Harvard!””

    Latent in your assessment is the notion that we should all be thinking of Harvard admissions in terms of ethnic patronage.”

    Right. Because Jews – alone among all the peoples of the world – never think in terms of ethnic patronage.

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    You really ought to see someone about all this free-floating resentment. It's unattractive.
  169. “Jack D says:

    @syon

    I guess Teddy’s view must have won out. Once upon a time, back then, there were St. Patrick’s Day parades for Irish-Americans and Columbus Day parades for Italian-Americans, and so on but I guess that custom must have died out because I never see anyone wearing green on St. Patrick’s Day anymore.”

    And as we all know, those Irish voters are all important politically. That’s why every Presidenttial candidate makes a pilgrimage to Ireland where he stands in humble silence before the Blarney Stone, and makes sure to attend the annual meeting of the American-Hibernian Political Action Committee (AHPAC).

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  170. “yaqub the mad scientist says:

    “And, of course, no American troops have ever been deployed in any war in which Israel was a participant.””

    ….and fight Israel’s wars for them

    Did you not read carefully, or are you just being insincere?”

    He’s being insincere. That’s his M.O.

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  171. @Steve Sailer
    Harvard also switched to national recruiting, giving bonus points to applicants from, say, Wyoming. Many Jewish faculty felt that was anti-Semitic.

    Rice U. had the opposite system -- William Marsh Rice had founded the university to help uplift Texans, so it gave bonus points to in-state applicants. The faculty got that overturned in the 1980s. My old Shakespeare prof Dr. Grob felt that giving a break to Texans was anti-Semitic.

    {I posted something like this before but it didn’t seem to show up).

    I’m sure it was just a coincidence that Harvard, with lots of local Jews, discriminated in favor of out-of-staters, while Rice, with few local Jews, discriminated in favor of locals. A mere coincidence.

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  172. I think if a Catholic candidate had been asked about this Catholicism, eg whether it might influence his views on abortion rights/women’s reproductive rights/health or some such, far fewer words would have been written about it, if any at all.

    Just like the fact that the percentage of Asians at UCLA — also UC generally — has risen remarkably quickly over the last several decades. Of course they have mostly displaced Whites, and very few words have been written about that.

    The author of this NYT story is gay.

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  173. @Anonymous
    The concept of being comfortable discussing how much of a victim one is is completely foreign to me. I guess I was raised with the old American "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" mentality (which the media and the field of psychology have discredited, I suppose to make people comfortable basking in their victimhood) and to not to whine or make excuses for myself. This is completely opposite from the mindset that seems to be the winning one for groups and individuals these days. However, I don't see how it can be good for the well-being of the country.

    I guess I was raised with the old American “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” mentality (which the media and the field of psychology have discredited, I suppose to make people comfortable basking in their victimhood) and to not to whine or make excuses for myself. This is completely opposite from the mindset that seems to be the winning one for groups and individuals these days. However, I don’t see how it can be good for the well-being of the country.

    You can’t see it because it’s not.

    The con works like this: status still goes to the one with the stiffest upper lip – it’s human nature and also very much a part of the American mythos. The one who condescends to help the oppressed is thereby recognized as higher status than the oppressed themselves, or it wouldn’t be (con)descent in the first place.

    Likewise, the new kids on the block who fall for the goodies of the victimization Olympics thereby reveal themselves as lower status and disqualify themselves from the status they ostensibly sought in the first place.

    It’s a catch 22: the only “authentic” minorities are those who cast themselves as oppressed, but in so casting themselves, they are disqualified from participating in the American Dream of social mobility.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "The con works like this: status still goes to the one with the stiffest upper lip – it’s human nature and also very much a part of the American mythos."

    Remind me again who is President?

  174. @Jack D
    The reason Harvard was 30% Jewish pre-1925 was that they used the same college admissions system that is used to this day in most countries that are not hotbeds of ethnic tension (Japan, China, France until recently, etc.) . You administer a tough but fair admission exam (in those pre-SAT days each college had its own) and you rank the applicants scores in order and if you have 1,000 seats to fill you pick the top 1,000 finishers. No interviews, no essays, no recommendations, no bullshit - you just take the smartest people you can find to fill your class. Since this was producing "unacceptable" results from an ethnic point of view, they switched to a "holistic" system in which they could disguise their ethnic discrimination behind lots of smoke and mirrors. This "holistic" system continues to exist to this day - in the '60s it was repurposed to discriminate in favor of blacks instead of against Jews (and now used to discriminate against Asians). It's a beautiful system because it's impossible to prove that you are discriminating. "Disparate impact " analysis doesn't work for Asians, because like Jews before them, they are still OVER represented based on % of general population. Most Americans think that this system was given to us by God or George Washington or something, but it was born in sin out of a desire to practice disguised ethnic discrimination.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbott_Lawrence_Lowell#Admissions_and_Jewish_quota_controversy

    Following Lowell’s earlier reform of Harvard’s admissions process to increase the admission of public school students, the Jewish proportion of the student body rose from 6% in 1908 to 22% in 1922, at a time when Jews constituted about 3% of the U.S. population. Lowell, continuing to focus on the cohesiveness of the student body, described a campus where antisemitism was growing and Jewish students were ever more likely to be isolated from the majority. He feared—and recent developments at Columbia University supported him—that the social elite would cease sending its sons to Harvard as Jewish enrollment increased. He cited what he saw as the parallel experience of hotels and clubs that lost their old membership when the proportion of Jewish members increased. He proposed limiting Jewish admissions to 15% of the entering class. His attempts to persuade members of the Harvard Board of Overseers to adopt his views were already failing when the plan was leaked to the Boston Post in May 1922. The idea was immediately denounced by Irish and black groups and by the American Federation of Labor.[48]

    Lowell continued to argue both in private correspondence and in public speeches that his rationale was the welfare of the Jewish students. “It is the duty of Harvard,” he said, “to receive just as many boys who have come, or whose parents have come, to his country without our background as it can effectively educate.” If higher Jewish enrollment provoked greater prejudice against them, he asked, “How can we cause the Jews to feel and be regarded as an integral part of the student body?” He also suggested that Harvard would not be facing this issue if other universities and colleges would admit Jews in similar numbers: “If every college in the country would take a limited proportion of Jews, I suspect we should go a long way toward eliminating race feeling among the students.”[49]

    The question was turned over to a faculty committee: the Committee on Methods of Sifting Candidates for Admission. In the course of the internal campaign to influence that group’s work, Lowell sought to exploit divisions within the Jewish community. Despite the basic divide between the older Jewish immigrants, usually of German origin, and the lower class of more recently arrived Eastern European Jews, Lowell found no ally there who would articulate his view of “desirable” and “undesirable” Jews. The faculty committee eventually rejected Lowell’s proposed quota. Instead, Harvard’s new guiding principle in admissions would be the top seventh rule. Harvard would reach out to youths in smaller cities and towns, even to rural communities, with the guideline that the student place in the top seventh of his class. It would seek “to pick out the best pupils from good schools, here, there, and everywhere.” Though some suspected this was nothing but a covert way to decrease Jewish enrollment, the policy had the opposite effect. The numbers of non-Jewish students attracted from the South and West could not match the larger numbers of Jews admitted from the Middle Atlantic and New England states. By 1925, Jews made up 27% of the entering class.[50]

    Lowell then found another way to accomplish his goal, this time less publicly. He first won approval from the Harvard Board of Overseers for a new policy that would, in addition to traditional academic criteria, use letters from teachers and interviews to assess an applicant’s “aptitude and character,” thus introducing discretion in the place of the strict top seventh rule. He even persuaded one doubtful Overseer that this would not support discrimination against Jews as a group, but merely “careful discernment of differences among individuals.” When Lowell gained final approval of these modifications in 1926 and appointed a compliant Admissions Committee, he had won his way.[51] When Lowell left his position in 1933, Jews made up 10% of the undergraduate population.[52]

    Lowell’s concern was that Harvard would end up a hot bed of Marxist academic enthusiasms as was the case with Colombia University with Boazian Anthropology in large part to the fierce ethnic networking of eastern European Jews.

    See my earlier post.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    There's another Lowell quote about a hotel that goes out of business because it attracts too many Jews - once it tips Jewish, the Jews stop going there too, according to him. That's EXACTLY what happened to Columbia - once it became heavily Jewish, it lost all prestige and went out of business, just as Lowell predicted. Except it didn't.
    , @Art Deco
    Lowell’s concern was that Harvard would end up a hot bed of Marxist academic enthusiasms as was the case with Colombia University with Boazian Anthropology in large part to the fierce ethnic networking of eastern European Jews.
    --
    I suppose it's vaguely amusing how you project your fantasies on others.
  175. Jack D,

    This “holistic” system continues to exist to this day – in the ’60s it was repurposed to discriminate in favor of blacks instead of against Jews (and now used to discriminate against Asians).

    If you’ve ever seen the film Harvard beats Yale 29-29:

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1286800/

    one gets the sense that it was used to discriminate against White ethnics in general more than just Jews. AA blacks admitted under lower standards are way easier to beat out in life than White ethnics who may just be better all around men.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    Yes, see the famous quote from the dean of Yale Med School - 5 Jews, 2 Italians and 0 blacks was the quota. But Jews were the ones who were applying in large numbers and had the academic qualifications, so the discrimination hit them the most.
  176. @Art Deco
    Most Jews despise Christian fundamentalists but find them very, very useful.

    Most frothing at the mouth anti-semites impute all manner of attitudes to Jews they've never heard expressed face-to-face.

    So is that supposed to indicate disagreement?

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  177. @Art Deco
    I wish my Southern brethren would stop offering to pony up billions in spending and fight Israel’s wars for them

    --

    Security assistance to Israel amounts to about 1/3 of 1% of the military budget and perhaps 1.2% of Israel's domestic product. There is no other aid to Israel. And, of course, no American troops have ever been deployed in any war in which Israel was a participant.

    “ecurity assistance to Israel amounts to about 1/3 of 1% of the military budget and perhaps 1.2% of Israel’s domestic produc”

    COOL! Since it’s so very little, you and Israel will be happy to decline the money and make me happy.

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  178. @Jack D
    Most Israelis LOVE Christian fundamentalists - they get along great. It's liberal American Jews that have a strained relationship with them, especially the kind of Jews who find Bibi to be hawkish and icky too.

    Most Israelis LOVE Christian fundamentalists – they get along great.

    One minor quibble. Although they are often called Christian fundamentalists, the Christians who oh so love Israel are dispensationalists not fundamentalists.

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  179. @Jack D
    I think you are leaving something out here - 1925 was the high water mark and then there was a backlash and Jews were mostly excluded from the Ivies for decades after that.

    A Harvard alum/donor wrote to the university's president in 1925: "Naturally, after 25 years, one expects to find many changes, but to find that one's University had become so Hebrewized was a fearful shock. There were Jews to the right of me, Jews to the left of me, in fact they were so obviously everywhere that instead of leaving the Yard with pleasant memories of the past I left with a feeling of utter disgust of the present and grave doubts about the future of my Alma Mater."

    In 1926, the Jewish percentage at Harvard dropped to 15% and then stayed there for decades.

    Just after World War II, Harvard's provost, Paul Buck, argued in several essays that Harvard did not want to become dominated by the "sensitive, neurotic boy," [cough Jews cough] by those who are "intellectually over-stimulated." [cough Jews again cough]. Instead, he said, Harvard should be seeking out boys who are of the "healthy extrovert kind." [cough not Jews cough] In 1950, Yale's president, Alfred Whitney Griswold, reassured alumni that the Yale man of the future would not be a "beetle-browed, highly specialized intellectual [cough Jew cough], but a well-rounded man[cough not Jewish cough]." The same thing is going on now with Asians - America has always had an anti-intellectual bias. Only after the Russians beat us to space with Sputnik did the Ivies realize that handsome jocks were not going to win the Cold War for us (the Manhattan Project was not exactly a haven of Monahans either).

    In 1935 Yale Medical School accepted 76 applicants from a pool of 501. About 200 of those applicants were Jewish and only five got in." Dean Milton Winternitz's [ironically himself of Jewish decent though not a practicing Jew] gave precise instructions: "Never admit more than five Jews, take only two Italian Catholics, and take no blacks at all."

    “In 1926, the Jewish percentage at Harvard dropped to 15% and then stayed there for decades.”

    So, an ethny which is 2-3% of host country’s population only gets 15% of its premier university’s slots…. (a mere 5x per capita over-representation) WAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!

    Meanwhile, at Israel‘s premier university, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Arab Israelis are only 10% of the university’s student body, even though Arabs are fully 20% of Israel’s population (a per-capita under-representation of 50%.)

    “There are 2,000 Arab Israeli students presently enrolled at the Hebrew University,”
    “Today, at the Hebrew University we constitute 10 percent of the student population,

    http://www.jpost.com/Local-Israel/In-Jerusalem/Hebrew-University-in-Arabic

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  180. @Jack D
    The old joke about grand juries is that they would indict a ham sandwich if the prosecutor told them to. Perhaps in this case, it should be changed to "indict a pastrami sandwich" instead.

    In any civilized country (that still has a death penalty - most don't . The "Big 5" in death penalties are China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the USA, so we are in good company ) there is (or should be) a high threshold of certainty because of it's irrevocable nature. Posthumous pardons don't really cut the mustard.

    The “threshold of certainty” is “beyond a reasonable doubt.” It was the same one hundred years ago, and one hundred years before that. It has always been so, in the United States of America.

    I am certain that the vast majority of jurors who have voted to convict defendants would claim that they had no discernible doubt whatsoever of those defendants’ respective guilt, and that nearly all jurors who have further voted in favor of death sentences would say the same thing. The problem is, absolute certainty in the minds of jurors does not equate to absolute certainty in fact.

    Those people falsely convicted of real crimes in this country– which is closer to a daily occurence than a rarity– were rarely convicted by bloodthirsty bigots who were impervious to facts and the actual truth; they were convicted, overwhelmingly, by conscientious jurors who had put their own faith in both the system, represented by the courts and the prosecutors, and in the evidence presented to them in court.

    The two most powerful forms of trial evidence, however, are confessions and eyewitness identifications– and both of those, I know as both a former attorney and a former social-scientific legal consultant, are remarkably fallible. People falsely confess even to serious crimes on a daily basis, in a country this large, both spontaneously, due to mental illness, and reluctantly, due to police and prosecutorial coercion, as well as to “cop a plea,” and thus avoid potential disasters of even greater magnitude.

    Eyewitness identification is a far bigger problem still. Once a person becomes convinced of what he witnessed, often under suasion from the authorities, it becomes very difficult for him later to realize, let alone to admit, that he was wrong. Once an eyewitness has testified before a jury, it becomes very difficult for jurors later to reject that testimony, unless it has been directly countered by someone else.

    Thus, the prosecutorial willingness, so often, to play the rank “jailhouse snitch” gambit– which is, for instance, how a poor Salvadoran illegal alien was belatedly railroaded into a life sentence for the assumed murder of hallowed victim Chandra Levy, after a “Washington Post” reporter who saw Ms. Levy as a younger incarnation of herself (as she explicitly stated in the newspaper series that started the ball rolling to indicting Senor Guandique) decided that such an outrage had to be avenged! That the reporter’s star witness, in that newspaper series, a former U.S. Park Service detective, was not even called to testify by the Federal prosecutors, who relied instead upon a jailhouse snitch, should tell one all one needs to know about the strength of the case against the hapless illegal alien.

    As far as the ancient case of Mr. Frank goes, although I do not claim to be an expert on that particular historical case, I am personally convinced, by what reading I have done on it, that Mr. Conley was the lone killer, and falsely testified against Mr. Frank to save his own skin. I do not believe, however, that Mr. Frank was lynched because of his religion or ethnicity; I believe that he was lynched because the authorities had convinced the locals, and especially the rabble-rousers among them, that he was guilty and deserved to die. I believe that he was lynched out of rage and disgust at what he was believed to have done to an innocent girl.

    For the record, I am against the death penalty, on principle.

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  181. @Art Deco
    Jewish voting behavior is less inclined toward the Republican Party now than was the case 40 years ago, to the extent that it can be measured.

    Frank Luntz says Jews are trending GOP: https://twitter.com/frankluntz/status/573973882895527936

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  182. Then, at the prodding of a faculty adviser there who pointed out that belonging to Jewish organizations was not a conflict of interest, the students revisited the question and unanimously put her on the board.

    Of course, at the same time, the NYT thinks that belonging to White organizations disqualifies one from anything.

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  183. @LMH
    >So, not getting into the right fraternity/sorority or country club is pretty small potatoes when compared to slavery, Jim Crow, lynching

    Slavery ended in the 19th century, and affected a marginal proportion of the world's blacks. The Holocaust ended within our (grand)parents' lifetime, and killed fully 1/3 of the world's jews -- that's not counting the jews who were merely enslaved or merely lost their livelihoods and had their property confiscated.

    Then, while blacks went on to benefit from affirmative action, jews had the privilege of being the "old Asians."

    Jews can claim the mantle of most-oppressed group, easily.

    Jews can claim the mantle of most-oppressed group, easily.

    How are you arriving at that conclusion, through death rates? What is your metric?

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    Pretend you are a miner in the Klondike. You stake a claim. Bingo. You can become rich. Of course, you have dig and all that.

    Others stake claims all the time, such as most-oppressed or other flavor of the month.