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Rebecca Carroll, author of an essay in Esquire on how dethroned PBS interview king Charlie Rose is racist because Rose failed to sexually harass her when she worked for him, has been a busy media figure lately. She also recently helped get a disabled guy in a wheelchair, John Hockenberry, fired from his gig on a New York public radio station. From the New York Times:

On Monday, “The Takeaway” itself added another voice to the chorus accusing Mr. Hockenberry of improper behavior: Rebecca Carroll, editor for special projects for WNYC, said on the program that he had made racially inappropriate remarks to her during a meeting soon after she started working at the radio station.

“Probably inside 30 seconds he said to me, in front of the staff, ‘If it feels like a slave plantation mentality here, that’s because it is,’” said Ms. Carroll, who is black. He went on to talk about his efforts championing black voices, she added.

Although Hockenberry is accused of flirting with other women involved with the show, he, like Charlie Rose, appears to have failed to do so with Ms. Carroll. This does not incline her toward mercy toward the poor gimp, to the say the least.

So woke white guys with good jobs: Don’t try to sympathize with blacks. The Ms. Carrolls of the world will just use whatever you say against you. No matter how leftist or paraplegic you are, you’ll always just be a white guy with a good job that they deserve to take away from you.

How did Rebecca Carroll get to be such an authority on so much? As you might expect, nature and nurture play a complicated role, which Ms. Carroll is not averse to telling you about in detail. She has a lot of scores to settle with those near but perhaps not so dear to her. For example, from The Guardian last year:

Facing my fear: hearing myself echo my birthmother’s judgmental outlook
Rebecca Carroll

… But the comment that altered our relationship forever was when my birthmother told me that because she had given birth to me, I could not identify myself as black. (My adopted family is white. My birthmother is white, and my birthfather is black.)

Her intention was not merely to erase me, but to erase my blackness – and perhaps worse, to make clear that if I wanted her to consider me as her daughter, it would require that I value my whiteness above my blackness. As a black woman, this hit especially deep, since our erasure is so pervasive in both historical and contemporary America.

When my friend accused me of being overly judgmental, my response reeked of my birthmother’s attacks on my character

So when my friend, who is white, accused me years later of being overly judgmental in regard to her white privilege, my response was swift and yes, it reeked of my birthmother’s relentlessly self-serving attacks on my character.

I leveled all of my anger and resentment over the ubiquity of white privilege and systemic racism solely at my friend, even as I knew that she would not be able to give me the answer I wanted – that the playing field is far from level, the system is rigged, black people are dying and that white people, starting with her, need to stand up and vow to spend as much of their time thinking about this reality as black people do feeling its impact.

The truth is, in this particular friendship, I have long felt unsettled by what I see as my friend’s inability to reconcile her white privilege with my blackness. There were numerous incidents that occurred when we were in college that, in hindsight, had clear racial implications, but that I didn’t confront at the time because all I could hear in my head was that white friend from high school who said to me: “Why is it always about race for you?”

While I believe that any and every black person in America is entitled to be the authority on race as he or she or they experience it, there is, of course, also a need to remember that people respond to love, not persecution. I’d like to believe that however traumatic, I learned this lesson most pointedly from my birthmother, who effectively taught me how to push through one of my biggest fears – being as intensely judgmental as she is. In the process, I failed my friend. I’m sorry about that. But now, having faced down that bitter legacy, I won’t make that mistake again.

I think this means that Ms. Carroll has given herself permission to be as bitchy as she ever feels like being.

From XOJane in 2014:

“Mom, Why Is Everyone Here White?” What My Son Knows About Race That I Never Did

Who are these people and why did they bring me here to this town surrounded by all these white people? Even my 8-year-old son thinks it’s arcane.

REBECCA-CARROLL JANUARY 9, 2014

In 2013, the year that Renisha McBride was shot and killed, George Zimmerman was found not guilty in the murder of Trayvon Martin, Paula Deen was confronted for her use of racial slurs, culture-appropriating pop provocateur Miley Cyrus used black women as props in her now notoriously game-changing performance at MTV’s Video Music Awards, two major motion pictures about American slavery were released and grossed significant box office numbers, blackface made an imposing resurgence in Hollywood, on Twitter feeds and Instagram accounts, and “race” and “racism” became the year’s most exploited online click bait, I spent an unseasonably cool August evening in New Hampshire during which I experienced an undeniable epiphany.

I was at a barbecue fundraiser to benefit a local animal shelter with my parents …

I am always cognizant of the extreme whiteness of Warner (97.9 percent white according to the 2010 U.S. Census Bureau — it felt even whiter growing up) and its neighboring towns whenever I go back to visit, although for some reason this time I felt not simply aware of it, but nearly assaulted by it. …

We had just sat down to look at our menus when Kofi leaned over to me after surveying the other customers in the relatively packed dining area, and whispered, genuinely mystified: “Mom, why is everyone here white?”

Even as my husband is white and our son is light-skinned brown, he is being raised in New York City where he attends school with kids and teachers from all different racial and ethnic backgrounds; his father is a college professor who teaches courses and writes books about race and the history of the Civil Rights movement; his mother is black and writes about race in the media; his parents have friends who are black and brown and gay and who visit and discuss race and politics openly, rigorously, often.

When I was my son’s age, this all-encompassing whiteness was all I knew. For my son, this all-encompassing whiteness had registered for the first time in his young childhood as nothing he knew.

I thought it was a good question, though, and so I told my son to ask my parents, since they had chosen to live in this town for over 50 years, and could better speak to the issue than I could.

My father responded: “Because many of the people who live here are descendants of the first settlers to the area — those who worked and farmed the land for their livelihood. And the first settlers were white.” It was a fair enough answer, but in my mind I thought, with decades-long resentment stewing: That may well be, but why then choose to live here while also raising a black child who will then grow up seeing white people everywhere she looks, everywhere she turns, every day, throughout her entire childhood? How is that healthy? Who does that?

For his part, my father continued, as a naturalist he needed to feel connected to and close to what little undeveloped land there was left in the country — like his philosophical mentor, Henry David Thoreau, my father places a high premium on the value of plants and wildlife, swamps and dirt. …

Her adoptive father David Carroll is a nature illustrator in the Audubon tradition.

But there were also faces I didn’t recognize, faces that looked at me with expressions of wariness, dismissal and prejudice. …

My lovely mother, youthful looking at 72, positioned next to my father, less youthful looking at 72, and who had brought his regular stash of vodka in a plastic water bottle, as the barbecue fell squarely during cocktail hour and my father never misses cocktail hour no matter where he is or what the venue.

He was hunched slightly over his plate, cheeks reddened from the brisk weather and intermittent sips of vodka, affable and delighted as locals came up one after another to chat with the town celebrity. My father, even as we struggled our entire lives to make ends meet, is an artist and naturalist of great integrity, and immeasurable ego, and has always believed in himself and his work above almost all else.

In 2006, that belief paid off when he received a MacArthur “genius” grant for his environmental research and published books of natural history, followed by a National Book Award nomination a few years later. Subsequently, he was a big fish in a small pond and tended to revel in his standing with great ease. My mother smiled, ever the undying enthusiast and supporter of my father.

Her adoptive white male father has a Genius Grant and she doesn’t? That’s racist.

Did I mention my adoptive dad, the “genius,” is an alcoholic? He drinks heavily whenever I come to visit.

Okay, a lot of what is going on is this lady’s resentment for having to grow up without much money because her (adoptive) dad thinks he is some kind of Thoreau / Audubon genius with a calling to paint pictures of nature in a small town in New Hampshire. He’s kind of like that Viggo Mortensen movie Captain Fantastic, where Viggo plays a hippie patriarch raising his six kids off the grid in the forest.

And then after she’s all done growing up and has moved the hell out of tiny town for life in the big city, the MacArthur Foundation declares he really is a genius, just like he always figured, and gives him a half million bucks.

Meanwhile, her brother, who is the biological child of her adoptive parents, is totally adapted to tiny town life:

My brother, Sean, my parents’ biological son, a master carpenter who built a vast and ornately detailed house in which to raise his family about six miles away from the house we grew up in, is also a master fisherman.

My guess is that her resentment of her adoptive father is only slightly racial in origin. He sounds like a man with strong opinions about lifestyle. It’s not helped by being adopted, but even biological offspring don’t always get along that often.

 
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  1. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    There is abuse and there is ‘abuse’.

    It’s like hazing. It’s not just a simple case of abusing someone. It’s offering entry to the club by undergoing ritualized thrills.

    This is why the girls who are not asked to join the hazing in DAZED AND CONFUSED feel left out.

    There is humiliation for losers and humiliation for winners. The former is just abuse. But the latter has the look of abuse but is really a ritual where the price of admission is you gotta show you can play the game.

    PS. Afro-Colonization of White Wombs stinks. White women have sex with blacks and produce trash like Obama, Kaepernick, and Carroll. What a waste of a womb.

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    I disagree with Obama on many issues but he is not trash. The man is remarkably disciplined and has conducted himself with dignity in the office (even if he acted in interests of democratic party rather than the US).

    If Trump had 10% of the discipline & focus of Obama, the borders would have been closed by now.
    , @Thomm

    PS. Afro-Colonization of White Wombs stinks. White women have sex with blacks and produce trash like Obama, Kaepernick, and Carroll. What a waste of a womb.
     
    All true. But remember WHY white women do this.

    It is because WNs are even more undesirable, so the black man becomes the lesser evil.

    Remember, nature hates a vacuum, and women don't see WNs as romantic prospects.
    , @22pp22
    Feminists were silent over Rotherham. They should be silent now.

    White left wing Liberals being hanged from a gallows they built for us. Who cares?
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  2. inertial says:

    As a teenager, when I was in my birthmother’s company and received praise or awards or special treatment from adults for being what they deemed precocious, she was always quick to remind me: “Your packaging misrepresents your substance.” Which was to say, I may look cute and sound smart, but I was, in fact, neither of those things.

    She knows her birthmom was right and it rankles her to no end.

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  3. Did I mention my adoptive dad is an alcoholic?

    Since you do not mention that he was white, even though he must have been white, this remark of yours is deeply raciss too. And it’ s appropriative as well, because, you know – it’s black dads, who usually have drug-problems, ad not the parents of white kids – and you were a white, aren’t you?
    - As I said: Raciss< !

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  4. eah says:

    the murder of Trayvon Martin

    Und das noch.

    Actually it’s kind of über weird and maybe just plain creepy the way some black women sort of more or less take you know civilization for granted — like a dumb donkey she brays about Whites and ‘whiteness’, seemingly oblivious to the fact she owes the comfortable circumstances she sees and experiences around her to the efforts of Whites across generations.

    In contrast: Baltimore MD.

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    Carroll considers the rioters of Ferguson to be heroes and has a great deal of animosity for the white people in the low crime, small, New England town where she was raised. She and her husband have raised their 75% white son to think of himself only as black. I wonder how that will go for him if he ever tries to live in a place with a predominantly black population.
    , @PaceLaw
    Good points. This tragic mulatto’s problem is that she more than likely grew up in a very white environment and didn’t really associate with blacks. As a result, she has an overly romantic view of the community which comes across as a fetish.
    , @eah
    This is what they actually believe.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRiZhLMXcAA5jD_.jpg
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  5. eah says:

    OT

    Not hate.

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    #UncleSamSoWhite
    , @El Dato
    This is historically incorrect and very dismissive of the Soviet Meat Grinder.
    , @TheBoom
    The "we" who beat the Nazis are now deemed Nazis.
    , @istevefan
    Lefties have tried to appropriate WW2 heroics because, since we fought the fascists, we must have been a lefty force. Yet that force was a segregated one in a nation with an overwhelmingly European populace, i.e non-diverse, and whose members' views of the world would get them banned from proper social functions today.

    I sometimes wonder if the guys who hit the beaches at Normandy, flew dangerous missions over Berlin and island hopped the Pacific would do so again knowing how their nation turned out today.
    , @DFH
    The majority of American soldiers in the Second World War would rather have lost the war than have ended segregation.

    Winston Churchill opposed any non-white immigration to Britain and wanted to run on the election slogan 'Keep Britain white'.
    , @Thomm
    Except the 'Alt-Right', like Nazi Germany, was left-wing.

    'Alt-Right' is really Paleo-Left.
    , @neutral
    I am surprised that Uncle Sam is still white, I don't think it will be too long before he is changed.
    , @Anon
    Now you are officially a Nazi if you have the same political beliefs as the men who defeated the Nazis.
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    This is discrimination! If Hockenberry could walk — and sexually harrass Carroll — he would still have a job.

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  7. Thea says:

    The lessons learned from this and rules changed will all be the wrong ones.

    Many a wife of a Hollywood casting director, actor, producer knows about the women who send nudes, suggestive emails or in-person let it be known what they’ll do for the role unasked.

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    At first. But then they will define the men saying "yes" to these offers as sexual harassment. So, eventually, we will iterate back to sensible rules. Natural law is natural law. It doesn't care that we don't believe in it.
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  8. rogue-one says:
    @Anon
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umdXXTwlBFI&feature=youtu.be

    There is abuse and there is 'abuse'.

    It's like hazing. It's not just a simple case of abusing someone. It's offering entry to the club by undergoing ritualized thrills.

    This is why the girls who are not asked to join the hazing in DAZED AND CONFUSED feel left out.

    There is humiliation for losers and humiliation for winners. The former is just abuse. But the latter has the look of abuse but is really a ritual where the price of admission is you gotta show you can play the game.

    PS. Afro-Colonization of White Wombs stinks. White women have sex with blacks and produce trash like Obama, Kaepernick, and Carroll. What a waste of a womb.

    I disagree with Obama on many issues but he is not trash. The man is remarkably disciplined and has conducted himself with dignity in the office (even if he acted in interests of democratic party rather than the US).

    If Trump had 10% of the discipline & focus of Obama, the borders would have been closed by now.

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    Trump's biggest problem is he doesn't seem to get that, like Obama did, he needs to staff his administration with people who support him and his agenda. He does the opposite which exacerbates his problems with being focused and disciplined.
    , @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    I agree that Obama is not trash, but that should be a pretty low bar for anybody to clear no matter the hue of his complexion. Yet I disagree that he was remarkably disciplined. On the contrary he coasted from Choom Gang to Occidental and then on through the Ivy League he continued to coast as the First Black President of the Harvard Law Review. Then he coasted as a professional community organizer and an undistinguished career teaching law at University of Chicago. Certainly disciplined enough get by as good enough, but he never showed a burning energy and serious passion. Perhaps the world ruined him by spoiling him when it was always too eager to see Obama as a magical amulet talisman filled with some mysterious "eldritch energies" instead of demanding more from him to develop his potential?

    Obama is a tragic example of wasted potential. He might have been the last leader who had a real opportunity to unite and heal the nation's rifts, had he had the courage to stand up to the destructive demagoguery coming from factions aligned with his side? Instead he wasted a wide mandate that gave him wide legitimacy from all parts of the nation and across all segments of the population. Instead of governing with energy, courage and principle, he failed to find his own backbone and let those from his own base destroy that wide mandate. The opportunity he wasted was much rarer than once in a generation... Perhaps those more conversant in American history than I can suggest a parallel from before when weak leadership meant a missed opportunity to make difficult maneuvers that might have avoided the Civil War.
    , @Anon
    I disagree with Obama on many issues but he is not trash. The man is remarkably disciplined and has conducted himself with dignity in the office (even if he acted in interests of democratic party rather than the US). If Trump had 10% of the discipline & focus of Obama, the borders would have been closed by now.

    Well, well, it goes to show that cuckery is big even among people with alternative views. I guess staking one's worth by praising Negroes is too deeply ingrained in the American Psyche.

    Now, Obama is not trash in the sense of rappers and such. But we need judge a man by substance, not style. If ou look at his style, it too is cheap and trashy.

    First, what was Obama as a young man? A pothead and hedonist shitter. But okay, let's cut him some slack because young people act stupid. With affirmative action, he got into Harvard, and simply because he was a well-behaved black guy, they elevated him to Harvard Law Review status. What did he do? Nothing.



    After college, what did he achieve? Nothing. He hardly had any academic achievements. What did he accomplish as a politician? Again, zero. So, what was he doing all these years? He knew he could just coast on Jewish Power. He knew what the elites were looking for, and he created his Persona as The One, the Son that Oprah never had. So, all he did was practice before a mirror and shake the right hands and... wait.
    So, a total zero got all the accolades and support despite having no history of any achievement whatsoever. I find that pretty trashy. A cheap hustler just playing on white hopes based on 'white guilt'. It sure worked on you. How noble of you to praise a clean-cut black guy.
    Obama was just a hustler and thief. He got by on style. Granted, he was clever enough to play to the power to get the power. But he was never going to be anything more than the Puppet of those who paid and paved his way.

    Also, it's easy to look 'dignified' if all the media, academia, and Hollywood are fawning on you and giving you the Nobel prize for having done nothing. Imagine if the Media had decided to as tough on Obama as it was on Trump. Obama would have cried, sulked, and folded. He's shown time and again what a thin-skinned self-aggrandizing prick he is. But the media covered up for him, massaged him, and sucked him off. And Obama basked in Third Worldish cult of the Big Man. It was all so shameless and disgusting. But to you, that is 'dignified'. A hustler playing the role of messiah of hope. Gimme a break.
    Obama also cut in line. Say whatever you will about Hillary, but she paid her dues. She was right by Billy Boy and did her gig as Senator. 2008 was supposed to be her year. Cuz Obama was younger, he could have waited. But he just cut in line and destroyed Hillary's chances to be president forever. Where do you see dignity or integrity in that? I just see egomania.

    Also, his choice for wife shows he has no taste. Michelle is a gross woman. Disgusting, and Obama raised his girl to be trashy. Hardly better than Billy Boy and the Bushes that are just rich trash now.

    In the most superficial way, one might Obama is clean-cut and dignified. But it's all style, and it's not hard to do. It's what Will Smith does. Any black actor can play 'dignified' in certain movie roles. The magic negro shtick. And that's what Obama did. But that's just style. Let's look at substance. He totally paved the way for vile and gross homomania. He filled up Oval Office with degenerates off all kind. That is substance, and it was just disgusting. And who did he hang with? Rappers and egotistical celebrities. Some taste. And he spent more time playing golf since his job was mostly to obey his Jewish and Homo bosses.

    And Mr. post-racial decided to throw his brothas a bone and unleashed BLM that led to massive crime climb. Everyone of his interventions on race matters was ugly and vulgar and trashy. Like his siding with Henry Louis Gates against a cop who was only doing his job. His BS about Trayvon Martin. The mess in Ferguson, again vindicated by facts that the black guy was the thug. His elevated tone when speaking total nonsense makes his false dignity even more false. No better than a cheap televangelist.

    And in foreign policy? Obama, Mr. Dignity, destroyed Libya, aided terrorists in Syria, let Neocons hire Nazis to mess up Ukraine, and messed up relations with Russia over homo parades. Is that dignity?

    Now, keep in mind that Obama had the media and establishment supporting him all along. And even the GOP that won both houses hardly opposed Obo's globo agenda. And yet, his presidency has been one big clusterfuc*. In fact, it's worse than Bush's. At least moron Bush had 9/11 as excuse to mess up the world. Obama had no such excuse, but he did the bidding of his donors just the same, and he messed up the Middle East royally. And his destruction of Libya led to Afro-invasion of Europe. Yet, you say he was dignified. You cucky-wuck. Someone's gotta toughen you up. You're wasting the aprons on the wrong guy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQAwRpRe9F4

    Now, Trump has lots of problems too. And he is trashy in his own way. But he doesn't pretend to have the dignity he doesn't have. And that's good because US politics is about pimps and whores, and anyone who pretends to have dignity is either a liar or delusional idiot. I find Trump's vulgarity to be refreshing since America is such a cesspool of moral rot and degeneracy. A nation where sophisticated people's idea of morality is letting guys with wigs go wee wee in ladies room. And this goes for Conservatives too, these lowlife cowards who cower and pee their pants and act tough only against Palestinians, Iranians, and Russians cuz their donors tell them to.

    Also, suppose Trump had been given the media treatment that Obama got in 2008. He would won by a superduper landslide against Hillary. Trump won despite everything thrown at him. If he gotten a fair break from media, he would have won much more bigly.

    Also, suppose the media and deep state had been supportive of Trump in ways that they were with Obama. Trump would have gotten a lot done. Instead, his presidency has been under siege from day one, not least by the very people around him.
    From day one of his presidency, Deep State and entire media have been trying to derail him. If such had been done to Obama, he would have just given up. He's the sort of wuss who seems strong only with wind on his back. Trump had to weather the storm. True, Trump is a shady character, but no ordinary man could have done what he did.

    You don't know what dignity is because you're too much of cucky wuck.
    , @gunner29

    If Trump had 10% of the discipline & focus of Obama, the borders would have been closed by now.
     
    He could have 1000% the focus and discipline of the gay mulatto, but as long as 75% of congress wants open borders, we will have open borders....he's President, not King.

    You don't realize what a "wind at his back" the gay mulatto had; 95% of the media thinking it a god. Both houses of Congress in the crazed dems hands. Trump has 5% of the media, and the GOPe and dems both willing to do anything to screw him..

    Then you have the deep state. You know, the GSA leftys that collected all the emails from Trump transition team and offered them to that sub-human, Mueller..That's what Trump is fighting.
    , @Daniel Williams

    If Trump had 10% of the discipline & focus of Obama, the borders would have been closed by now.
     
    Kinda like how Obama got that amnesty he wanted?
    , @Jus' Sayin'...

    "...and has conducted himself with dignity in the office..."
     
    As shown here?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hee0rDOTJ78
    , @Art Deco
    The man is remarkably disciplined and has conducted himself with dignity in the office (even if he acted in interests of democratic party rather than the US).

    Come again? He's shown no vocational focus whatsoever at any time in his adult life. He's too much of a motormouth in love with the first-person-singular to be called dignified. A person of dignity wouldn't have give Queen Elizabeth an iPod with recordings of his speeches on it.

    , @Bill
    That's an amazing amount of falsity you packed into that first paragraph. Obama is a smart, culturally white, but ignorant, lazy, and undisciplined mulatto. He's a type. You see guys like that near or at the top of many organizations here in clown world.

    Did he bow "with dignity" to the King of Saudi Arabia? Did he carry out his cowardly policy of widespread murder by drone "with dignity?" Did he send ISIS into Syria "with dignity?"

    And how come no democrat anywhere thinks Barry behaved in the interests of the Democrat party if that's what he did?
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    This is one of the stupidest and out of touch comments I have ever read on this blog.

    Your comment is of the type that warrants a biting commentary from our esteemed host when it is published in the MSM as "news".
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  9. Barnard says:

    It would be beneficial for every white couple considering adopting a non white child to read her piece. I don’t know how common a reaction this is from adopted children, but considering the propaganda disseminated through public education and the proliferation of writing like this online, the likelihood of that child growing up to, at best, resent her parents has to be increasing significantly.

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    It would be beneficial for every white couple considering adopting a non white child to read her piece.
     
    Change “non white child” to “black child.” Adopted Asian children usually don’t create this kind of drama. Some may go through the “seeking birth mother/birth culture” phase, but most return and are grateful to their white parents.
    , @Patrick Sullivan
    So it's too late for David and Nancy then.
    , @Cucksworth
    Mothers of mixed race babies often regret that their children don't look like them and have trouble bonding with the child.
    , @Lurker
    It's kind of like how many blacks view white society in fact.
    , @Anonymous
    All children resent their parents, but if there are interracial or adoption issues involved this goes into overdrive.
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  10. Thomm says:
    @Anon
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umdXXTwlBFI&feature=youtu.be

    There is abuse and there is 'abuse'.

    It's like hazing. It's not just a simple case of abusing someone. It's offering entry to the club by undergoing ritualized thrills.

    This is why the girls who are not asked to join the hazing in DAZED AND CONFUSED feel left out.

    There is humiliation for losers and humiliation for winners. The former is just abuse. But the latter has the look of abuse but is really a ritual where the price of admission is you gotta show you can play the game.

    PS. Afro-Colonization of White Wombs stinks. White women have sex with blacks and produce trash like Obama, Kaepernick, and Carroll. What a waste of a womb.

    PS. Afro-Colonization of White Wombs stinks. White women have sex with blacks and produce trash like Obama, Kaepernick, and Carroll. What a waste of a womb.

    All true. But remember WHY white women do this.

    It is because WNs are even more undesirable, so the black man becomes the lesser evil.

    Remember, nature hates a vacuum, and women don’t see WNs as romantic prospects.

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    women don’t see WNs as romantic prospects.
     
    I'd say they are down around the level of pedophiles in the average women's estimation.

    And rightly so.

    Just as patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel, white nationalism is the last refuge of a loser and women famously don't consider losers romantic prospects.

    How many of the MGTOW guys are alt-right as well? I'd guess approximately 100%, and add that it isn't just a coincidence.

    , @BozoB
    What's a WN?
    , @Neuday
    Uh huh. When your kid turns 4, tell your wife you think it's time to move to a school district with as many NAMs as possible. Let me know how that works for you.
    , @Pericles
    The high-achieving White hands his daughters over to blacks if there are only WNs to choose from. Mulatto grandchildren are acceptable or rather desirable to the high-achieving White, if the alternative is White grandchildren with WNs.
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  11. I gotta think there’s a Department of What the Heck is Killing the West in China somewhere that cataloges and studies what’s going on here (and the rest of the AngloSphere) and Europe with the intent of figuring out what’s destroying the West and making sure it doesn’t do the same to China.

    I’m pretty sure those folks have already figured out these past few years that the only reasonable number of blacks is zero. And i’ve read–not sure how true it is–that there have been crackdowns on illegal immigrants (visa overstays, illegal businesses) in the small Chinese black community.

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    "Department of What the Heck is Killing the West" in China...

    Hopeful the Chinese are taking their Baizuo Studies seriously so they can inoculate themselves against this mind-virus.
    , @Anonymous
    The main African community in China is in Guangzhou. The number of Africans is 10,000 and declining.

    Other Africans are scattered in major cities, many as students. Students number in the tens of thousands and growing.

    It's not a large enough number to attract any serious attention.
    , @Ragno

    I’m pretty sure (the Chinese) have already figured out these past few years that the only reasonable number of blacks is zero.
     
    A Jewish community numbered at zero is probably even healthier.
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  12. @eah
    OT

    Not hate.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRhQAgLX4AEki86.jpg

    #UncleSamSoWhite

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    The business ends of law enforcement and the military are still overwhelmingly white so.
    , @Anonym
    Uncle Sam seems about typical 1968 generation baby boomer age. Didn't fight in the second world war and all he knows how to do now is destroy his own kinfolk, kind of like an autoimmune disease.
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  13. Deckin says:

    “[H]is mother is black and writes about race in the media; his parents have friends who are black and brown and gay and who visit and discuss race and politics openly, rigorously, often.”

    I doubt she has any idea what rigorously really means but she left out exclusively.

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    Apparently gays aren’t white!
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  14. Cortes says:

    I think we might be getting to the stage of having to acknowledge that blackness is in the eye of the beholder, because she doesn’t look very close to being black to my eyes. She’s a poster girl for the old song about turning out “coffee coloured people by the score.”
    Perhaps it’s the white part of her which determines the shittiness displayed. I wonder if any genuinely black academic has made a study of the phenomenon of accentuated positive identifications in mestizo culture? Because mestizo is what she is.
    Not black. Not White. Mestizo.

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    Because mestizo is what she is. Not black. Not White. Mestizo.
     
    Not mestizo.

    Check out the definitive reference:

    http://www.americanyawp.com/text/casta-painting/


    Español con India: Mestizo

    Español con Mora: Mulato.

    White and indian: Mestizo.

    White and black: Mulatto.

    , @Anonymous
    Mulatto, not mestizo.
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  15. JimB says:

    “his father is a college professor who teaches courses and writes books about race and the history of the Civil Rights movement; his mother is black and writes about race in the media”

    Carroll’s son would be much better off if his father had invented the memristor and his mother was a chemical engineer.

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  16. El Dato says:

    Wow, that’s some schizophrenic writing. Red Commissars probably delivered such things as a term paper.

    Her redness, I mean blackness, is holy, and this axiomatically. It can only, actually MUST be attacked by the surrounding non-blacks. Because “erasure” forever threatens.

    What a frightening mental world. “Wariness, dismissal and prejudice. …”

    “Why is it always about race for you?”

    Answer the question, lady.

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  17. Andy says:

    wow, she seems to be an unsufferable, all-around horrible individual

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    she seems to be an unsufferable, all-around horrible individual
     
    Like many adoptees, Rebecca Carroll clearly never got over the trauma of having been abandoned by her birth mother AND birth father (who was probably already out of the picture by the time of her birth).

    RACE is simply the funnel through which she channels the ongoing pain.

    The claim to be "BLACK" also serves as a convenient justification to this woman - born to a white woman - for the unjustifiable lashing out against her birth family and genuine friends who had the guts to stand up to the one-dimensional, simple-minded, Black Studies race talk.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    Andy, I haven't finished reading all the new comments, but Michelle Obama displayed many of this woman's anti-white traits. Everything they accomplish is in spite of whites and everything they couldn't accomplish was because of whites.
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  18. I am always cognizant of the extreme whiteness of Warner (97.9 percent white according to the 2010 U.S. Census Bureau — it felt even whiter growing up) and its neighboring towns whenever I go back to visit, although for some reason this time I felt not simply aware of it, but nearly assaulted by it. …

    Astounding. A community of White people, existing as a people, going about their daily and mundane lives, struggling as everyone does with bills, its complexities and intricacies, is an assault on the black mind.

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    Where is this "Warner" place? I want to go to there.

    _________________________________________

    Never mind; looked it up. Below zero next week.
    Well, that explains the white people.
    Only ones what can tolerate that.
    No wonder she all mad.

    , @Yak-15
    Add to this the complexity of a society that refuses to adequately explain why your black peers largely fail in the aforementioned society and you have the result: Rebecca Carroll.

    Similar threads of confusing thought and inability to understand reality will haunt people like her until the scientific explanations of group differences are openly acknowledged and discussed.
    , @AnotherDad

    Astounding. A community of White people, existing as a people, going about their daily and mundane lives, struggling as everyone does with bills, its complexities and intricacies, is an assault on the black mind.
     
    It's not just "an assault on the black mind".

    This--the right of people to free association and to exist as a people if they want to--is precisely what is under assualt. Whether it's the "golfocaust" or "school busing" or "let's plant some Somalis in your town" or "you must bake a cake for the queers" or "Sweden has not yet learned how to be multicultural" or "the zeroth ammendment" ... it's at the core axiom the same crap, the demand that whatever nice things white people cook up, they must be shared. You have it, anyone and everyone is entitled to glom onto it.

    This is the great trap we're in as white people. White people and societies are pretty open. We detribalized--with the exception of the Jews and later the gypsies. We created broad open societies where everyone in the village, the town was just a citizen of whatever nationality--usually related, albeit distantly to everyone else. Hence we could develop high trust and make strong effective nations.

    But this same principal of openness is a trap, because it's exploitable by other peoples, other tribes who do not have the same characteristics, who are not open and won't "play by our rules". And who now basically demand that whatever white people have made--nice stuff, nice communities, nice nations--must be shared with them.

    This will be the death of whites. We must restablish the right of people to freely associate--which means also to *not* associate. Only then will we be able to "have nice things", including our civilization.
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  19. El Dato says:
    @eah
    OT

    Not hate.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRhQAgLX4AEki86.jpg

    This is historically incorrect and very dismissive of the Soviet Meat Grinder.

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  20. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I’ll bet her dad is really good guy.

    She comes off as a monster in this (to me anyway)

    To her circle in NewYork she’s just terrifically ‘woke’ and her evil old 72 yr old dad deserved to be dragged through the mud like that. Very sad stuff. It’s like a rebellious teen lashing out, but she’s not a teen, and unfortunately she’s not going to outgrow this.

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  21. JohnnyD says:

    Encouraging blacks, especially mulattoes, to be this narcissistic and entitled, has been very bad…

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  22. TheBoom says:
    @rogue-one
    I disagree with Obama on many issues but he is not trash. The man is remarkably disciplined and has conducted himself with dignity in the office (even if he acted in interests of democratic party rather than the US).

    If Trump had 10% of the discipline & focus of Obama, the borders would have been closed by now.

    Trump’s biggest problem is he doesn’t seem to get that, like Obama did, he needs to staff his administration with people who support him and his agenda. He does the opposite which exacerbates his problems with being focused and disciplined.

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  23. TheBoom says:
    @eah
    OT

    Not hate.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRhQAgLX4AEki86.jpg

    The “we” who beat the Nazis are now deemed Nazis.

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  24. Spud Boy says:

    She sounds like the female Colin Kapernick.
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    And she looks like a black female Don Knotts impersonator.
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  25. All I’m getting from her is a lack of gratitude towards her adoptive parents.
    Few kids get to chose the environment they were raised in. It comes down to how much you want to complain about it. And that’s what she seems to have chosen.

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    All I’m getting from her is a lack of gratitude towards her adoptive parents.
     
    To say the least! She has serious (white) daddy issues. They adopted-rescued her from wrecked circumstances and this is what they get. When you rescue someone drowning they might panic and try to pull you down with them. This is what she is doing to her father and mother. How much do you want to bet she lives in hipster central, Brooklyn?
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    All I’m getting from her is a lack of gratitude towards her adoptive parents.
     
    And anyone paying attention will decline to raise a black child. So, as usual, Leftists' self-indulgence results in children paying the price for the choices of adults.

    Don't raise an ingrate.
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  26. Bugg says:
    @AnotherDad
    #UncleSamSoWhite

    The business ends of law enforcement and the military are still overwhelmingly white so.

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  27. Twinkie says:

    Even as my husband is white and our son is light-skinned brown

    I didn’t read all the ranting carefully, but since she is half-white, does this mean her son is 3/4-white and is complaining about the animal shelter fundraiser being too white?

    If whiteness = evil, then she is half-evil, and her son is 3/4-evil. I’m zero percent white genetically, so does that mean I should outrank her in non-evilness in the SJW goodness meter?

    Or is being Asian “lily white” (as one criticism leveled against law schools and the Silicon Valley alleged) and it still makes me a subhuman in the eyes of these virtuous people?

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    Or is being Asian “lily white” (as one criticism leveled against law schools and the Silicon Valley alleged) and it still makes me a subhuman in the eyes of these virtuous people?
    Yes, Asians are just as evil as whites to them.
    , @Anon
    If whiteness = evil, then she is half-evil, and her son is 3/4-evil.

    No, it doesn't work that way. You're applying math and numbers.

    We have to use voodoo and magic. When black and white mix, the result isn't half and half. It is all black. Black takes over the white, and the white serves the black. This is esp true where the mother is white since she rejected white men and went with superior Negro. So, it is white surrender to black. It's like America. Red man lost to white man. So, it became a white country, not a red-white country. Winner takes all. That is the American Way.
    It's like a boxing match. One boxer may have won half the rounds, but if the other fighter won just a bit more in points, he wins the WHOLE match.
    Or if a football game is 35-34, the team that scored 35 wins 100% of the victory.

    , @Anonymous
    They don't concern themselves with Asians, except when they need some quick cash and the only functioning business remaining in the 'hood is run by....Asians.
    , @Anonymous
    Of course she has to boast about snagging a white guy. This woman is a parody.
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  28. Barnard says:
    @eah
    the murder of Trayvon Martin

    Und das noch.

    Actually it's kind of über weird and maybe just plain creepy the way some black women sort of more or less take you know civilization for granted -- like a dumb donkey she brays about Whites and 'whiteness', seemingly oblivious to the fact she owes the comfortable circumstances she sees and experiences around her to the efforts of Whites across generations.

    In contrast: Baltimore MD.

    https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/471377974_master.jpg

    Carroll considers the rioters of Ferguson to be heroes and has a great deal of animosity for the white people in the low crime, small, New England town where she was raised. She and her husband have raised their 75% white son to think of himself only as black. I wonder how that will go for him if he ever tries to live in a place with a predominantly black population.

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    So all those black small business owners and their black employees should be proud their workplaces were destroyed?
    And then people in some neighborhoods wonder why there aren't any local places to shop or get your hair done anymore.
    , @Anon
    She and her husband have raised their 75% white son to think of himself only as black. I wonder how that will go for him if he ever tries to live in a place with a predominantly black population.

    They are raising him to be blaque. Paradoxically, blackness has higher value in a sea of white. For blacks, it means a 'struggle' to remain authentic and overcoming the temptation to be a 'tom'. And for self-loathing-righteous whites, the presence of a black person in their midst means they are for 'diversity' and 'inclusion'.

    A black among blacks has no value. He or she's just dime-a-dozen. But a black among whites has iconic and talismanic value, esp if the black person plays it right. Obama played it right cuz he read white social psychology. He presented his blackness as a higher grade, one that might be pleasing to whites who sympathize with blackness but fear too-many-blacks.

    In this kind of white milieu, being 'blaque' is a great advantage. It certainly was for Carroll. It is Fancy Black. It's like the white family in GET OUT(which I haven't seen) prizes blaque-ness.

    A goose among geese is just another goose.
    But a goose in a world where geese are relatively rare is a special creature indeed. So, why give up on the goose-ness?

    Sailer wrote of Plaques for Blacks. But blacks too can be plaques or blaques.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    I wonder how that will go for him if he ever tries to live in a place with a predominantly black population.
     
    They will abuse him for being insufficiently black. Then he will become Tah NaHeSee Coates (PBUH) the second, and get a MacArthur Genius grant for being an idiot.
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  29. Why is it that all these professional wokies, the social justice crusaders, are only able to share their own stories and more than reporting on stories that they’ve gathered with hard work and careful research? Journalism and commentary has seriously declined in the Slate / Salon / Atlantic / Jezebel / TeenVogue school of confessional victim memoirs. At least Sabrina Rubin Erdely was TRYING to report on somebody else’s account because even she knew that she didn’t have enough bona fide personal suffering as a victim to get the kind of attention and foaming outrage. Well we all remember how that turned out when she went looking for a particular story and found a perfect accomplice willing to give her exactly what she wanted to see.

    Otherwise it’s always about “MY experiences” “MY feelings” “MY suffering” and “MY experience.” It’s as if this generation of journalists and commentators has never learned to peer outside its own life experience. Perhaps an unsurprising solipsism after being steeped in a stew of postmodern subjectivity that glorified personal experience of suffering and rejected striving for any objective perspectives…

    Maybe they’re just lazy and the postmodern justifications were catnip for rationalizing their solipsism? Their demand for attention, justice and empathy makes the hypocrisy all the sadder that their own capability for empathy has either atrophied or never developed. A dangerous development in society when the next generation is populated by such a concentration of solipsism that is unable to see the humanity of other citizens outside themselves or imagine life from the perspective of those different experiences. Funny how it’s been especially those wokies who have prepared fertile ground for fascism or worse.

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  30. Twinkie says:
    @Barnard
    It would be beneficial for every white couple considering adopting a non white child to read her piece. I don't know how common a reaction this is from adopted children, but considering the propaganda disseminated through public education and the proliferation of writing like this online, the likelihood of that child growing up to, at best, resent her parents has to be increasing significantly.

    It would be beneficial for every white couple considering adopting a non white child to read her piece.

    Change “non white child” to “black child.” Adopted Asian children usually don’t create this kind of drama. Some may go through the “seeking birth mother/birth culture” phase, but most return and are grateful to their white parents.

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    Actually, in my experience, adopted children are quite frequently a nightmare regardless of their race. We all want to think they're like Anne of Green Gables or Gerald Ford, but most come from rough stock, where the parents didn't give a shit about their offspring, or they wouldn't have dumped them, brood parasite-style, on someone else.
    , @Jack D
    Unfortunately, this is not true. There is a whole little group in Korea of America adoptees who have gone back home because they felt as if they were stolen from their family and culture by their white adoptive parents, whom they often want nothing to do with.

    A certain % of adopted children are deeply unhappy people (and often, like this woman, they try to make everyone around them as miserable as they are). Maybe they would have been miserable people even if they were never adopted, but adoption can also badly mess with your head, especially if it does not occur at a very young age. Kids can develop issues with bonding and trust that can never be overcome, no matter how well treated they are by their adoptive parents. Racial differences only make this worse.

    There are certainly many happy stories of adoptions that turn out well for everyone, but a certain % go bad - instead of the kid being grateful, etc. as you might expect, they are deeply bitter and resentful instead.
    , @3g4me
    @29 Twinkie: "Adopted Asian children usually don’t create this kind of drama. Some may go through the “seeking birth mother/birth culture” phase, but most return and are grateful to their white parents."

    You're woefully misinformed or perhaps choose to see only the positive in those of your own race. There are entire websites filled with Asians adopted by Whites (a large percent of them Korean, merely because the Korean war was when Americans first adopted large numbers of Asian children) ranting about how unpersoned and unhappy they were being raised in a White environment. Far from being grateful to their adoptive parents, they almost uniformly condemn them as, at best, well meaning and condescending.

    A substantial cohort returned to Korea, sought out blood relatives, and demurely accepted scathing criticism of the adoptee for being insufficiently Asian in habit, custom, demeanor, and language. Then, neither fish nor fowl, they settled in to live in Korea as a Korean-Americans among other adopted Korean Americans. I've read similar rants by Chinese adopted and raised by American Jews. There are hapa websites where the men almost categorically reject their White fathers as colonial oppressors and their Asian mothers as whores.

    You may continue to claim your own mixed progeny is perfectly well adapted and blended, but overall experience and statistics would prove you wrong. Interracial marriage and interracial adoption joins that which both God and biology separated, and the results are not particularly pretty - either aesthetically or psychologically.
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  31. I am always cognizant of the extreme whiteness of Warner (97.9 percent white according to the 2010 U.S. Census Bureau — it felt even whiter growing up) and its neighboring towns whenever I go back to visit, although for some reason this time I felt not simply aware of it, but nearly assaulted by it. …

    When I think of Warner I think of Mt. Kearsarge. Hiking up mountains is a White activity.

    There is a golf course at the base of Mt. Kearsarge. Golfing is a White activity. There is not much sun in Scotland I hear, the people in Scotland who started golfing are White, White, White.

    There is also a buffalo ranch near Warner, or in it.

    White people sing:

    “Oh give me a home where the buffalo roam…

    And the skies are not cloudy all day.”

    The cloudy bit takes us back to Scotland and golf. It’s so cloudy in Scotland the people are White as all hell.

    Warner is in close proximity to Interstate 89; 89 takes you close to Hanover, but not too close to ruin the joint!

    Hanover hosts Dartmouth; Dartmouth was started by Whites; Dartmouth is WHITE.

    Warner is close to a little town that has a nice restaurant. I would recommend the Mt. Kearsarger Burger. I bet a White guy invented the cheeseburger.

    Rebecca Carroll should hike up Mt. Kearsarge and thank God she lives in America instead of the Congo.

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    Dartmouth is WHITE
     
    Ha! This is Library!
    , @anon
    I bet a White guy invented the cheeseburger.

    No, you must be a racist! George Washington Carver invented the cheeseburger as a way of feeding the Tuskegee Airmen — they could fly with one hand and eat lunch with the other. The USAAF official history notes that these proud black airmen did not lose a single “belly bomber” in the ETO.

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  32. gp says:

    “he said to me, in front of the staff, ‘If it feels like a slave plantation mentality here, that’s because it is,’”

    Sounds exactly like what an old-boomer liberal would say to try to “rap” with new black associates. We’ve heard it from lots of old dems: Hillary in 2006, Biden in 2012.

    “Wow, this white supremacy is thick around here, amirite? Don’t worry sister: I’m hip to your struggle.”

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    “he said to me, in front of the staff, ‘If it feels like a slave plantation mentality here, that’s because it is,’”

    Sounds exactly like what an old-boomer liberal would say to try to “rap” with new black associates. We’ve heard it from lots of old dems: Hillary in 2006, Biden in 2012.

    “Wow, this white supremacy is thick around here, amirite? Don’t worry sister: I’m hip to your struggle.”
     
    I don't see any reason to ever use plantation metaphors for any reason around black (or white or any other race, for that matter) employees

    I agree, sounds like some hideously white, aging baby boomer trying to show he is down with the bloods or something.

    Maybe he should have stuck with backrubs.
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  33. Mr. Anon says:

    My lovely mother, youthful looking at 72, positioned next to my father, less youthful looking at 72, and who had brought his regular stash of vodka in a plastic water bottle, as the barbecue fell squarely during cocktail hour and my father never misses cocktail hour no matter where he is or what the venue.

    Maybe he only does that when he’s with his daughter. Couldn’t imagine why he would feel the need to anesthetize himself when she’s around, though. She seems like such a lovely, good-natured person.

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  34. “Probably inside 30 seconds he said to me, in front of the staff, ‘If it feels like a slave plantation mentality here, that’s because it is,’” said Ms. Carroll, who is black.

    Hockenberry was also real racist to Will Smith:

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  35. Bill P says:

    For all the whining about their “plight,” black women have the best deal of anyone in the US. That’s why they vote for democrats at rates of roughly 100%.

    I have known and worked with a few working class white women who, if they were black, would be managing a bank branch or something along those lines. I have had to deal with black women workers whose level of incompetency, rudeness and sense of entitlement would have gotten anyone else fired. Also, there’s straight-up welfare discrimination in favor of black women. All else being equal, they are more likely to have section 8, SNAP, TANF etc. They are also overrepresented in college, far surpassing black males in that regard despite the appetite for black male athletes.

    Black men, on the other hand, don’t get so many breaks. They get hammered by the administrative state, they are routinely ejected from their families, and treated like dangerous animals by the courts. I know a lot of people here on iSteve think they deserve it, and some do, but they exercise remarkable restraint given the behavior of their women. I have observed this on a number of occasions myself. One of our biggest sins as a nation is our ongoing destruction of the tenuous black father figure. Seems precious few have learned anything from Mark Twain’s best work.

    Trump and republicans in general have nothing to lose by championing the cause of black men. Black women aren’t going to vote for Trump anyway, so he could only make gains by pledging to halt the ongoing destruction of black fatherhood.

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    "...For all the whining about their “plight,” black women have the best deal of anyone in the US...."


    My daughter is technically "black" since her mother is a light-skinned West Indian. However, she got my ice-blue eyes, wavy caucasian hair and pale skin.

    But you better believe, in this world, that I'm raising her to be as blackity black as she needs to be to get where she wants to be.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Bill, Buffalo, Cleveland, Atlanta and Chicago all suffered from having black women as their public school superintendents. No white male would have been allowed to trash major school systems as these women did.
    , @Redman
    Totally agree with this.

    Reminds me of a cab ride I had in NY right after the 3rd Trump/HRC debate. Twenty-something Black male cabby asked me what I thought of the debate. My initial reaction was to try to avoid the topic. I’d had too many bad experiences telling people I liked Trump.

    To my surprise, the cabby proceeded to discuss how much he liked Trump and couldn’t understand the black community’s support of HRC.

    Trump appeals more to black men than people realize. Or they’re willing to be open about. Trump’s support of Tyson during his rape trial was something that always made a big impression on me. He may have had an economic interest, but at the time, I recall sensing that Trump actually cared about Tyson and how he’d been screwed. I wonder is some/many black men sense that about him too.
    , @Altai
    The most nice, liberal foreigners will always mention that US airport workers are intimidating surly giant black women. It's simply an experience of a stereotype nobody could think to be real.
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  36. KM32 says:
    @Twinkie

    It would be beneficial for every white couple considering adopting a non white child to read her piece.
     
    Change “non white child” to “black child.” Adopted Asian children usually don’t create this kind of drama. Some may go through the “seeking birth mother/birth culture” phase, but most return and are grateful to their white parents.

    Actually, in my experience, adopted children are quite frequently a nightmare regardless of their race. We all want to think they’re like Anne of Green Gables or Gerald Ford, but most come from rough stock, where the parents didn’t give a shit about their offspring, or they wouldn’t have dumped them, brood parasite-style, on someone else.

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    Actually, in my experience, adopted children are quite frequently a nightmare regardless of their race... but most come from rough stock
     
    This is usually true of lower class white, Hispanic, and black parents who abandon their children, but there is a different dynamic with East Asian adoptees, especially from East Asia. They are also coming from peoples with mean IQ of 105 or so, and even their “rough stock” is not all that bad (just like East Asians of lower socio-economic backgrounds commit far lower rates of crime than average non-Asians).

    I know several Asian adoptees. All are professionals, married to whites, and are basically whites in all but outward appearance.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    KM32, I live on a street that has unusual number of adopted children. My neighbor, four houses down, has two natural sons and two daughters from, I don't know where, Central America. Their neighbors, directly across from them, have two natural sons and two Central American daughters. We live on a circle and there is a street that bisects the circle. One family on this cross street has three Asian (Chinese?) children, two girls, one boy. Another couple has a son and daughter they adopted from Russia. Two house away, the family had brothers that they adopted. One of these boys, white kids from a troubled background, torched the house killing the mother and seriously injuring the father. So many adoptees on one street with maybe 40 houses.
    , @Anonymous
    One of the reason I shit on prolifers whenever possible despite considerable sympathy for getting rid of abortion-on-demand is their constant bleating of adoption as The Solution.

    It isn't.

    Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. But it is considerably more likely to be a nightmare than having your own kids.

    Famous adoptees more likely had good outcomes because famous people are more often successful than unsuccessful, unless they are famous for crime or corruption. But we tend to extrapolate from the famous ones instead of the anonymous failures who made their parents' lives miserable.
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  37. cthulhu says:

    Politically correct nonsense like this is why I gave up on Esquire several years ago. What a pity; it used to be a really good magazine, especially for nonfiction reportage.

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  38. Moses says:

    For some reason only non-Fellow White People Whites adopt babies of other races.

    I’ve never seen Asians, blacks or Fellow White People do it.

    What is it with Whites?

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    “For some reason only non-Fellow White People Whites adopt babies of other races.

    I’ve never seen Asians, blacks or Fellow White People do it.”

    I knew a Vietnamese American woman — totally Americanized SWPL — and her husband, a white hipster soy boy. They adopted a black boy from Africa. He was about 8 years old and a source of endless, chaotic misery for them, in constant trouble at school as well. God knows what’ll happen when he hits puberty.
    , @Holden McGroin III
    Because orphans are like Ford automobiles; you can get any color you like, so long as it’s black.
    , @Anonymous
    Is belief in racial equality and the blank slate widespread outside of Europe and North America?
    , @Melendwyr
    The biggest issue is simply availability. The supply is greater and the demand not so much.
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  39. The halted-adolescent, resentful, showing-Daddy-who’s-boss tone of Carroll’s articles is sad.

    Her style is sophomoric: repetitious ‘even as . . .’ constructions; not quite knowing what some words she uses mean, e.g. ‘arcane’ and ‘imposing’; awkward, over-qualified constructions characteristic of writers not confident using strong words they do know, e.g. ‘tended to revel’; plus wordiness any competent writer/editor should have eliminated, e.g. ‘as the barbecue fell squarely during cocktail hour and my father never misses cocktail hour’.

    Reading between the lines, Carroll had a privileged childhood, and now she’s paid for her words by wide-reaching publications such as the Guardian, she has a high-profile media job many young strivers would kill for, she’s got a husband and a child — and yet everything is terrible, awful, oppressive.

    Back in the early 1990s, when I was in grad school, where the Cult of Victimization was fueling up and testing its engines, no one warned us its full-throttle expression would be so boring.

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    Reading between the lines, Carroll had a privileged childhood, and now she’s paid for her words by wide-reaching publications such as the Guardian, she has a high-profile media job many young strivers would kill for, she’s got a husband and a child — and yet everything is terrible, awful, oppressive.
     
    A nasty SJW sucking down tax payer's money. She works at WNYC, not in the dreaded private sector. Most of the SJW stories I read have them ripping off the taxpayers one way or another, usually via gigs at our public universities.
    , @Jonathan Silber
    Her style is sophomoric...

    Writing While Black.
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  40. @rogue-one
    I disagree with Obama on many issues but he is not trash. The man is remarkably disciplined and has conducted himself with dignity in the office (even if he acted in interests of democratic party rather than the US).

    If Trump had 10% of the discipline & focus of Obama, the borders would have been closed by now.

    I agree that Obama is not trash, but that should be a pretty low bar for anybody to clear no matter the hue of his complexion. Yet I disagree that he was remarkably disciplined. On the contrary he coasted from Choom Gang to Occidental and then on through the Ivy League he continued to coast as the First Black President of the Harvard Law Review. Then he coasted as a professional community organizer and an undistinguished career teaching law at University of Chicago. Certainly disciplined enough get by as good enough, but he never showed a burning energy and serious passion. Perhaps the world ruined him by spoiling him when it was always too eager to see Obama as a magical amulet talisman filled with some mysterious “eldritch energies” instead of demanding more from him to develop his potential?

    Obama is a tragic example of wasted potential. He might have been the last leader who had a real opportunity to unite and heal the nation’s rifts, had he had the courage to stand up to the destructive demagoguery coming from factions aligned with his side? Instead he wasted a wide mandate that gave him wide legitimacy from all parts of the nation and across all segments of the population. Instead of governing with energy, courage and principle, he failed to find his own backbone and let those from his own base destroy that wide mandate. The opportunity he wasted was much rarer than once in a generation… Perhaps those more conversant in American history than I can suggest a parallel from before when weak leadership meant a missed opportunity to make difficult maneuvers that might have avoided the Civil War.

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    I hoped that Obama might solve the Israeli Palestinian problem which I think was the underlying cause of all of the wars in the Middle East in which we have been involved.

    He certainly failed to solve the problem. I wonder if anyone can.
    , @Redman
    IMO For Obama to have been all of those things (and I wish he was) he would need to have been a conservative black man.

    Coming in as he did as the Democrat’s hope, even though he never demonstrated a leftist ideological strain, he was always going to be co-opted and owner by the progressives. He had to pay the piper that got him to the White House.
    , @Old fogey
    He would have been a great president if after the election he had called for ending all affirmative action programs. How much evidence do blacks need that whites are willing to deal with blacks on a level playing field?

    Actually, the more we hear from blacks speaking honestly about their problems with whites, the less appealing they seem. Don't they recognize this?
    , @Prof. Woland
    My smarter brother once commented to me that our best Presidents were all people who ran against their interests / identities. Geo, Washington ran against the British aristocracy even though he was one. Abraham Lincoln free the slaves even though he never consider blacks his equals. Teddy Roosevelt was an industrialist and yet fought to preserve nature. Franklin Roosevelt was for the common man even though he as a patrician, etc. Obama identified with non-whites and he only advocated for them. No enemies on the left and no friends on the right. He might go down as a hero for blacks but for whites, he is just a tanned Millard Fillmore.
    , @Stan Adams
    There will never be a "healing" of the nation's rifts. In fact, the notion of the American "nation" is a myth.

    Are Detroit dindus part of my nation? They're American citizens, as am I, but do we have anything else in common? Barring sending them all back to Africa, the only way I see to deal with them and their ilk is to stay as far away from them as I possibly can.

    White America and black America don't belong in the same nation. They make up one body politic only because Dr. Frankenstein has grafted them together into a Human Centipede. (And white America is the guy in the back, if you know what I mean.)

    Whites and blacks will never be able to live together in even relative harmony without some kind of apartheid. Diversity always weakens social cohesion.

    If Obama had made a serious effort to "bridge the gap," then he would have been written off as an Uncle Tom.

    No hugging, no learning, no Kumbaya singing.
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  41. istevefan says:
    @eah
    OT

    Not hate.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRhQAgLX4AEki86.jpg

    Lefties have tried to appropriate WW2 heroics because, since we fought the fascists, we must have been a lefty force. Yet that force was a segregated one in a nation with an overwhelmingly European populace, i.e non-diverse, and whose members’ views of the world would get them banned from proper social functions today.

    I sometimes wonder if the guys who hit the beaches at Normandy, flew dangerous missions over Berlin and island hopped the Pacific would do so again knowing how their nation turned out today.

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    There's a really great and abnormally objective moment in Louis CK's show Louie, in which his Italian right of center comedian colleague chews him out for over-using the word Nazi, since the people who actually fought the Nazis were diplomaless Catholic wife-beaters who rioted to keep blacks out of their neighborhoods and would surely have rioted to stop gay marriage, which is of course both true and known to lefties. Heather MacDonald had a column in which she described the reaction of leading leftist journals to our entry in WWII: they were completely against it and hoped to exploit the example of WWI even after the Pearl Harbor attack.
    Lefties claiming credit for defeating Hitler is like feminists claiming credit for the called-bluff inclusion of Title IX in the Civil Rights Act.
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  42. Mr. Blank says:

    My God, she’s a walking, breathing iSteve parody.

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  43. @Barnard
    It would be beneficial for every white couple considering adopting a non white child to read her piece. I don't know how common a reaction this is from adopted children, but considering the propaganda disseminated through public education and the proliferation of writing like this online, the likelihood of that child growing up to, at best, resent her parents has to be increasing significantly.

    So it’s too late for David and Nancy then.

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  44. istevefan says:

    That may well be, but why then choose to live here while also raising a black child who will then grow up seeing white people everywhere she looks, everywhere she turns, every day, throughout her entire childhood? How is that healthy? Who does that?

    Will she come around to believing that separate nations are answer?

    (My adopted family is white. My birthmother is white, and my birthfather is black.)

    I didn’t see that from the photos. I wouldn’t have been surprised if she had 20% Euro ancestry like most blacks. But I never would have guessed she had a white parent, and thus 50% or even more Euro ancestry.

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    But I never would have guessed she had a white parent, and thus 50% or even more Euro ancestry.
     
    Maybe that’s why she’s really resentful.
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  45. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @rogue-one
    I disagree with Obama on many issues but he is not trash. The man is remarkably disciplined and has conducted himself with dignity in the office (even if he acted in interests of democratic party rather than the US).

    If Trump had 10% of the discipline & focus of Obama, the borders would have been closed by now.

    I disagree with Obama on many issues but he is not trash. The man is remarkably disciplined and has conducted himself with dignity in the office (even if he acted in interests of democratic party rather than the US). If Trump had 10% of the discipline & focus of Obama, the borders would have been closed by now.

    Well, well, it goes to show that cuckery is big even among people with alternative views. I guess staking one’s worth by praising Negroes is too deeply ingrained in the American Psyche.

    Now, Obama is not trash in the sense of rappers and such. But we need judge a man by substance, not style. If ou look at his style, it too is cheap and trashy.

    First, what was Obama as a young man? A pothead and hedonist shitter. But okay, let’s cut him some slack because young people act stupid. With affirmative action, he got into Harvard, and simply because he was a well-behaved black guy, they elevated him to Harvard Law Review status. What did he do? Nothing.

    [MORE]

    After college, what did he achieve? Nothing. He hardly had any academic achievements. What did he accomplish as a politician? Again, zero. So, what was he doing all these years? He knew he could just coast on Jewish Power. He knew what the elites were looking for, and he created his Persona as The One, the Son that Oprah never had. So, all he did was practice before a mirror and shake the right hands and… wait.
    So, a total zero got all the accolades and support despite having no history of any achievement whatsoever. I find that pretty trashy. A cheap hustler just playing on white hopes based on ‘white guilt’. It sure worked on you. How noble of you to praise a clean-cut black guy.
    Obama was just a hustler and thief. He got by on style. Granted, he was clever enough to play to the power to get the power. But he was never going to be anything more than the Puppet of those who paid and paved his way.

    Also, it’s easy to look ‘dignified’ if all the media, academia, and Hollywood are fawning on you and giving you the Nobel prize for having done nothing. Imagine if the Media had decided to as tough on Obama as it was on Trump. Obama would have cried, sulked, and folded. He’s shown time and again what a thin-skinned self-aggrandizing prick he is. But the media covered up for him, massaged him, and sucked him off. And Obama basked in Third Worldish cult of the Big Man. It was all so shameless and disgusting. But to you, that is ‘dignified’. A hustler playing the role of messiah of hope. Gimme a break.
    Obama also cut in line. Say whatever you will about Hillary, but she paid her dues. She was right by Billy Boy and did her gig as Senator. 2008 was supposed to be her year. Cuz Obama was younger, he could have waited. But he just cut in line and destroyed Hillary’s chances to be president forever. Where do you see dignity or integrity in that? I just see egomania.

    Also, his choice for wife shows he has no taste. Michelle is a gross woman. Disgusting, and Obama raised his girl to be trashy. Hardly better than Billy Boy and the Bushes that are just rich trash now.

    In the most superficial way, one might Obama is clean-cut and dignified. But it’s all style, and it’s not hard to do. It’s what Will Smith does. Any black actor can play ‘dignified’ in certain movie roles. The magic negro shtick. And that’s what Obama did. But that’s just style. Let’s look at substance. He totally paved the way for vile and gross homomania. He filled up Oval Office with degenerates off all kind. That is substance, and it was just disgusting. And who did he hang with? Rappers and egotistical celebrities. Some taste. And he spent more time playing golf since his job was mostly to obey his Jewish and Homo bosses.

    And Mr. post-racial decided to throw his brothas a bone and unleashed BLM that led to massive crime climb. Everyone of his interventions on race matters was ugly and vulgar and trashy. Like his siding with Henry Louis Gates against a cop who was only doing his job. His BS about Trayvon Martin. The mess in Ferguson, again vindicated by facts that the black guy was the thug. His elevated tone when speaking total nonsense makes his false dignity even more false. No better than a cheap televangelist.

    And in foreign policy? Obama, Mr. Dignity, destroyed Libya, aided terrorists in Syria, let Neocons hire Nazis to mess up Ukraine, and messed up relations with Russia over homo parades. Is that dignity?

    Now, keep in mind that Obama had the media and establishment supporting him all along. And even the GOP that won both houses hardly opposed Obo’s globo agenda. And yet, his presidency has been one big clusterfuc*. In fact, it’s worse than Bush’s. At least moron Bush had 9/11 as excuse to mess up the world. Obama had no such excuse, but he did the bidding of his donors just the same, and he messed up the Middle East royally. And his destruction of Libya led to Afro-invasion of Europe. Yet, you say he was dignified. You cucky-wuck. Someone’s gotta toughen you up. You’re wasting the aprons on the wrong guy.

    Now, Trump has lots of problems too. And he is trashy in his own way. But he doesn’t pretend to have the dignity he doesn’t have. And that’s good because US politics is about pimps and whores, and anyone who pretends to have dignity is either a liar or delusional idiot. I find Trump’s vulgarity to be refreshing since America is such a cesspool of moral rot and degeneracy. A nation where sophisticated people’s idea of morality is letting guys with wigs go wee wee in ladies room. And this goes for Conservatives too, these lowlife cowards who cower and pee their pants and act tough only against Palestinians, Iranians, and Russians cuz their donors tell them to.

    Also, suppose Trump had been given the media treatment that Obama got in 2008. He would won by a superduper landslide against Hillary. Trump won despite everything thrown at him. If he gotten a fair break from media, he would have won much more bigly.

    Also, suppose the media and deep state had been supportive of Trump in ways that they were with Obama. Trump would have gotten a lot done. Instead, his presidency has been under siege from day one, not least by the very people around him.
    From day one of his presidency, Deep State and entire media have been trying to derail him. If such had been done to Obama, he would have just given up. He’s the sort of wuss who seems strong only with wind on his back. Trump had to weather the storm. True, Trump is a shady character, but no ordinary man could have done what he did.

    You don’t know what dignity is because you’re too much of cucky wuck.

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    yep--spot on--an empty suit with a 110 IQ--boring

    https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=590&ei=Vhc7WvTuB42hggehi4jQAg&q=obama+fraud&oq=obama+fraud&gs_l=img.12...1611.5845.0.8166.12.11.0.1.0.0.291.1850.0j2j6.8.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..3.7.1559.0..0j35i39k1j0i30k1j0i10i30k1.0._qJS5riwsTY#imgrc=O1_MnVT4M0OReM:
    , @Lurker
    Awesome!
    , @jesse helms think-alike
    This is marvelous.

    Some elements approach mind-reading of me by you.

    Congratz to you Anon #x.
    . . .
    No Obama is not trash, silly to even say something like that he is exactly what Joe Biden said he is:


    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."
     
    And that's also all there was to him.

    . . .

    Obama was chosen because "he fit the suit" just like Greg Brady in the Johnny Bravo episode of Brady Bunch
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBMWd49rtu8
    , @Whitey Whiteman III
    This is probably the best post I have ever seen. I am going to steal it for /pol/ copypasta.
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    Bravo. Absolutely agree. Very well said.
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  46. AndrewR says:

    I’m not defending this hateful, anti-white individual whose adoptive parents do seem far too good for her, but, as the son of an alcoholic, I am not going to judge her for feeling a need to publicly vent about her adoptive father’s alcohol abuse. I don’t know if Sailer thinks that people should never criticize their relatives publicly, or if he thinks that alcohol abusers in particular should get a pass, but Carroll’s dad having his kid make a short mention of his alcohol abuse in some blog that maybe a thousand people around the world will read is a small price to pay for the burden his alcohol abuse has presumably put on his family. I have sympathy for people predisposed to alcoholism but I have no sympathy for those who choose to give in to it. My brother-in-law abused alcohol for years, but he quit cold-turkey, and has been completely sober for 20 years. If he can stay sober, anyone can.

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    How authentically black can she be if she looks down on daddy getting crunk?
    , @Bill

    I don’t know if Sailer thinks that people should never criticize their relatives publicly . . . Carroll’s dad having his kid make a short mention of his alcohol abuse in some blog that maybe a thousand people around the world will read is a small price to pay for the burden his alcohol abuse has presumably put on his family.
     
    The Fourth Commandment isn't about your parents. It's about you.
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  47. PaceLaw says:
    @eah
    the murder of Trayvon Martin

    Und das noch.

    Actually it's kind of über weird and maybe just plain creepy the way some black women sort of more or less take you know civilization for granted -- like a dumb donkey she brays about Whites and 'whiteness', seemingly oblivious to the fact she owes the comfortable circumstances she sees and experiences around her to the efforts of Whites across generations.

    In contrast: Baltimore MD.

    https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/471377974_master.jpg

    Good points. This tragic mulatto’s problem is that she more than likely grew up in a very white environment and didn’t really associate with blacks. As a result, she has an overly romantic view of the community which comes across as a fetish.

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    Needs to watch "Don't Be a Menace to South Central While Drinking Your Juice in the Hood" so she can lose those glammed-up ideas about the 'Hood.
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  48. @AnotherDad
    I gotta think there's a Department of What the Heck is Killing the West in China somewhere that cataloges and studies what's going on here (and the rest of the AngloSphere) and Europe with the intent of figuring out what's destroying the West and making sure it doesn't do the same to China.

    I'm pretty sure those folks have already figured out these past few years that the only reasonable number of blacks is zero. And i've read--not sure how true it is--that there have been crackdowns on illegal immigrants (visa overstays, illegal businesses) in the small Chinese black community.

    “Department of What the Heck is Killing the West” in China…

    Hopeful the Chinese are taking their Baizuo Studies seriously so they can inoculate themselves against this mind-virus.

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  49. gunner29 says:
    @rogue-one
    I disagree with Obama on many issues but he is not trash. The man is remarkably disciplined and has conducted himself with dignity in the office (even if he acted in interests of democratic party rather than the US).

    If Trump had 10% of the discipline & focus of Obama, the borders would have been closed by now.

    If Trump had 10% of the discipline & focus of Obama, the borders would have been closed by now.

    He could have 1000% the focus and discipline of the gay mulatto, but as long as 75% of congress wants open borders, we will have open borders….he’s President, not King.

    You don’t realize what a “wind at his back” the gay mulatto had; 95% of the media thinking it a god. Both houses of Congress in the crazed dems hands. Trump has 5% of the media, and the GOPe and dems both willing to do anything to screw him..

    Then you have the deep state. You know, the GSA leftys that collected all the emails from Trump transition team and offered them to that sub-human, Mueller..That’s what Trump is fighting.

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    You don’t realize what a “wind at his back” the gay mulatto had;
     
    Indeed, if you firmly commit to going wherever the wind blows you, then you always have the wind at your back.
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  50. DFH says:
    @eah
    OT

    Not hate.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRhQAgLX4AEki86.jpg

    The majority of American soldiers in the Second World War would rather have lost the war than have ended segregation.

    Winston Churchill opposed any non-white immigration to Britain and wanted to run on the election slogan ‘Keep Britain white’.

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  51. Clyde says:

    So woke white guys with good jobs: Don’t try to sympathize with blacks. The Ms. Carrolls of the world will just use whatever you say against you.

    She does not neglect to out her accomplished father (he won a MacArthur grant) as a vodka swilling drunk. What a heinous bitch. And what’s that with her shaving the side of her head? It’s the fashion these days. She is troubled and T-R-O-U-B-L-E. Her white adoptive parents should have left her to rot in the bad part of town where she was spawned. A bad seed.

    My God, she’s a walking, breathing iSteve parody.
    Yes indeed! Many iSteve bads rolled up into one package.

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  52. Thomm says:
    @eah
    OT

    Not hate.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRhQAgLX4AEki86.jpg

    Except the ‘Alt-Right’, like Nazi Germany, was left-wing.

    ‘Alt-Right’ is really Paleo-Left.

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    And don’t forget, Democrats are the Real Racists.™

    https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/dsouza.jpg
    , @Paleo Liberal
    ‘Alt-Right’ is really Paleo-Left.

    So what does that make me? I am as Paleo-Left as you get.


    I feel triggered!

    j/k. Paleos don't trigger.
    , @3g4me
    @51 Thomm: Mother India is calling you home. Please take heed and leave forthwith.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    Except the ‘Alt-Right’, like Nazi Germany, was left-wing.‘ Alt-Right’ is really Paleo-Left.
     
    Well, you are correct that the Nazis were left-wing. And if I use AndrewR as Hercules foot, I would have to agree. But I am unsure about a consensus definition of Alt-Right. Without the same, your assertions are nothing more than speculation.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Except the ‘Alt-Right’, like Nazi Germany, was left-wing.
     
    Complete rubbish. You are historically illiterate. But then - as you have shown time and again here - there are many things about which you are ill-informed.

    Are you black? You seem to have an IQ of about the black mean.
    , @Bill
    Everything since WWI has been squabbles among competing factions of leftists. So what?
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  53. J.Ross says: • Website
    @istevefan
    Lefties have tried to appropriate WW2 heroics because, since we fought the fascists, we must have been a lefty force. Yet that force was a segregated one in a nation with an overwhelmingly European populace, i.e non-diverse, and whose members' views of the world would get them banned from proper social functions today.

    I sometimes wonder if the guys who hit the beaches at Normandy, flew dangerous missions over Berlin and island hopped the Pacific would do so again knowing how their nation turned out today.

    There’s a really great and abnormally objective moment in Louis CK’s show Louie, in which his Italian right of center comedian colleague chews him out for over-using the word Nazi, since the people who actually fought the Nazis were diplomaless Catholic wife-beaters who rioted to keep blacks out of their neighborhoods and would surely have rioted to stop gay marriage, which is of course both true and known to lefties. Heather MacDonald had a column in which she described the reaction of leading leftist journals to our entry in WWII: they were completely against it and hoped to exploit the example of WWI even after the Pearl Harbor attack.
    Lefties claiming credit for defeating Hitler is like feminists claiming credit for the called-bluff inclusion of Title IX in the Civil Rights Act.

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  54. I wonder if Ms. Carroll invented that double-secret-probation racism variant all by herself; or whether she adapted it from the similar meme over there in the pro-Palestinian quarters: that it was bred-in-the-bone Jooooo-ish racism and supremacy alone which was responsible for the absence of even minimally-credible accusations of anti-Arab sex crimes on the part of the Israeli forces throughout 70+ years of conventional warfare, counter-insurgency and occupation policing?

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  55. the worst thing about affirmative action is that mediocrities are taken seriously

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  56. Whiskey says: • Website

    Lesson it’s never ever ever ok to be White.

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  57. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    I gotta think there's a Department of What the Heck is Killing the West in China somewhere that cataloges and studies what's going on here (and the rest of the AngloSphere) and Europe with the intent of figuring out what's destroying the West and making sure it doesn't do the same to China.

    I'm pretty sure those folks have already figured out these past few years that the only reasonable number of blacks is zero. And i've read--not sure how true it is--that there have been crackdowns on illegal immigrants (visa overstays, illegal businesses) in the small Chinese black community.

    The main African community in China is in Guangzhou. The number of Africans is 10,000 and declining.

    Other Africans are scattered in major cities, many as students. Students number in the tens of thousands and growing.

    It’s not a large enough number to attract any serious attention.

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    Guangzhou is known as "Chocolate City" in China
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  58. @Bill P
    For all the whining about their "plight," black women have the best deal of anyone in the US. That's why they vote for democrats at rates of roughly 100%.

    I have known and worked with a few working class white women who, if they were black, would be managing a bank branch or something along those lines. I have had to deal with black women workers whose level of incompetency, rudeness and sense of entitlement would have gotten anyone else fired. Also, there's straight-up welfare discrimination in favor of black women. All else being equal, they are more likely to have section 8, SNAP, TANF etc. They are also overrepresented in college, far surpassing black males in that regard despite the appetite for black male athletes.

    Black men, on the other hand, don't get so many breaks. They get hammered by the administrative state, they are routinely ejected from their families, and treated like dangerous animals by the courts. I know a lot of people here on iSteve think they deserve it, and some do, but they exercise remarkable restraint given the behavior of their women. I have observed this on a number of occasions myself. One of our biggest sins as a nation is our ongoing destruction of the tenuous black father figure. Seems precious few have learned anything from Mark Twain's best work.

    Trump and republicans in general have nothing to lose by championing the cause of black men. Black women aren't going to vote for Trump anyway, so he could only make gains by pledging to halt the ongoing destruction of black fatherhood.

    “…For all the whining about their “plight,” black women have the best deal of anyone in the US….”

    My daughter is technically “black” since her mother is a light-skinned West Indian. However, she got my ice-blue eyes, wavy caucasian hair and pale skin.

    But you better believe, in this world, that I’m raising her to be as blackity black as she needs to be to get where she wants to be.

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    I agree.

    My kids are tri-racial. I have them put Native American on all their college applications etc.

    Something I learned though the years, the system has become rather corrupt, and if one can game the system without lying, why not?

    Heck, in Wisconsin, Asian kids adopted by white families get all sorts of Affirmative Action stuff. Thing is, biggest Asian ethnic group in Wisconsin is Hmong, so they make Asians an official oppressed minority.

    One of my kids had a Hmong friend who was quite brilliant. Hmong guy went to Harvard with over 100% scholarship -- paid his tuition, room, board, fees, books and some spending money as well.
    , @Anonymous
    "But you better believe, in this world, that I’m raising her to be as blackity black as she needs to be to get where she wants to be."

    You are more than likely doing her a disservice. In a long run, one's mental balance is always better when one is firmly aware of some basic truths of the world.
    , @AndrewR
    You provide no detail, so it's reasonable to infer that your parenting style is harming her.

    It's one thing to say to a kid: "your partial blackness will be advantageous to you in many circumstances, just as your partial whiteness will be advantageous in others, so you should learn when it's wise to play up your blackness and when it's wise to play up your whiteness."

    That's how I would raise a mixed child, but I'm not sure that's what you meant.
    , @AnotherDad

    But you better believe, in this world, that I’m raising her to be as blackity black as she needs to be to get where she wants to be.
     
    Mr. Antiskynetist, i'd encourage you not to raise your daughter to be at all blackity-black.

    You can tell her at the appropriate time that she can check the "African-American" box to get a leg up.

    But what will really matter in her life--her happiness and success--is whom she marries. And as a white guy presumably you want her to marry a white guy, have white children and continue your line racially and culturally. So you should actually raise her to be white, think of herself as white and be appealing to white guys. If she seems like a cute, pleasant white girl who looks a little "exotic" she'll do well. And the Antiskynetist line will continue on into our glorious white future. (If it exists.)

    Good luck with her. AD

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    Statements like these are always hilarious since the speaker is of course parroting the same lines and has the exact same political position/worldview as anyone else who is quoted on these matters. No one every quotes a black woman saying "you know, I'm pretty good at what I do and earned it, and I'm always looking to work with other people who also earned their spots by hard work and talent because that's more important to me than just being 'visible'".
    , @Old fogey
    This woman has got to be the dimmest "journalist" on the planet. She is completely non-self aware. How does she keep her job?
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  60. @rogue-one
    I disagree with Obama on many issues but he is not trash. The man is remarkably disciplined and has conducted himself with dignity in the office (even if he acted in interests of democratic party rather than the US).

    If Trump had 10% of the discipline & focus of Obama, the borders would have been closed by now.

    If Trump had 10% of the discipline & focus of Obama, the borders would have been closed by now.

    Kinda like how Obama got that amnesty he wanted?

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  61. Umm…. just looking at her pic…I surely wouldn’t jump to the conclusion that she wasn’t getting hit on because of her race…

    Occam’s razor and all of that.

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    Cruel but true. Wonder what her reaction would have been had a co-worker who looked like a young Naomi Campbell got harassed while she still didn't.
    , @Perspective
    She looks like a nasty piece of work, best to give her a wide berth.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Tonto, years ago there were small toy dolls with googley eyes and a top knot called Trolls. Ms. Carroll is a troll clone.
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  62. @Bill P
    For all the whining about their "plight," black women have the best deal of anyone in the US. That's why they vote for democrats at rates of roughly 100%.

    I have known and worked with a few working class white women who, if they were black, would be managing a bank branch or something along those lines. I have had to deal with black women workers whose level of incompetency, rudeness and sense of entitlement would have gotten anyone else fired. Also, there's straight-up welfare discrimination in favor of black women. All else being equal, they are more likely to have section 8, SNAP, TANF etc. They are also overrepresented in college, far surpassing black males in that regard despite the appetite for black male athletes.

    Black men, on the other hand, don't get so many breaks. They get hammered by the administrative state, they are routinely ejected from their families, and treated like dangerous animals by the courts. I know a lot of people here on iSteve think they deserve it, and some do, but they exercise remarkable restraint given the behavior of their women. I have observed this on a number of occasions myself. One of our biggest sins as a nation is our ongoing destruction of the tenuous black father figure. Seems precious few have learned anything from Mark Twain's best work.

    Trump and republicans in general have nothing to lose by championing the cause of black men. Black women aren't going to vote for Trump anyway, so he could only make gains by pledging to halt the ongoing destruction of black fatherhood.

    Bill, Buffalo, Cleveland, Atlanta and Chicago all suffered from having black women as their public school superintendents. No white male would have been allowed to trash major school systems as these women did.

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    San Francisco had a great black women administrator in the early noughts.
    http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/SAN-FRANCISCO-Ackerman-says-she-ll-quit-as-2610959.php
    She was let go because her crackdown on corruption hurt too many well connected thieves. The official reason was that she wasn't collegial.
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  63. @Thomm
    Except the 'Alt-Right', like Nazi Germany, was left-wing.

    'Alt-Right' is really Paleo-Left.

    And don’t forget, Democrats are the Real Racists.™

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    But Democrats aren’t the only adulterers. : )
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  64. ‘ his parents have friends who are black and brown and gay and who visit and discuss race and politics openly, rigorously, often.’

    Rigorously, I’m sure, as long as that means On Message. I wonder how many would be welcome to their circle who disagree with this article, who, for example, see nothing whatsoever wrong with a town populated almost 100% by white people?
    I also love her notions of her own ethnicity (black), and her son’s (black), though she’s half white at least, and her son seems to be as a minimum three-quarters.

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  65. @Thomm
    Except the 'Alt-Right', like Nazi Germany, was left-wing.

    'Alt-Right' is really Paleo-Left.

    ‘Alt-Right’ is really Paleo-Left.

    So what does that make me? I am as Paleo-Left as you get.

    I feel triggered!

    j/k. Paleos don’t trigger.

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  66. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The woman is an egomaniac but I have to blame the academia/media culture that eggs her on. I suspect she’d be miserable writing the same stuff on a blog, yet it is the baizuo cathedral wanting to promote her bad material for various reasons so the latter is interfering with social reality. I would bet she has been somewhat unpopular wherever she’s worked while goodthink deprives of her of the lesson she would otherwise confront.

    Btw, y’all hear about the Detroit Free Press editor who recently got fired via “internal review” — no accusers; the publisher just decided to can him after finding 2 incidents with “connotations” as Michael Scott would put it — and the instigator was another man (a local Rev. Bacon type aligned with the Conyers clan)? Witchhunt economics are obviously strained past breaking. MeToo was advertised as “2X the strength of normal McCarthyism” but like Hillary’s “Fake News” before it, will be a soft staple of FM disc jockeys’ and cable comics’ punchlines by the end of January, assuming anyone still cares by then.

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  67. @anonymous-antiskynetist
    "...For all the whining about their “plight,” black women have the best deal of anyone in the US...."


    My daughter is technically "black" since her mother is a light-skinned West Indian. However, she got my ice-blue eyes, wavy caucasian hair and pale skin.

    But you better believe, in this world, that I'm raising her to be as blackity black as she needs to be to get where she wants to be.

    I agree.

    My kids are tri-racial. I have them put Native American on all their college applications etc.

    Something I learned though the years, the system has become rather corrupt, and if one can game the system without lying, why not?

    Heck, in Wisconsin, Asian kids adopted by white families get all sorts of Affirmative Action stuff. Thing is, biggest Asian ethnic group in Wisconsin is Hmong, so they make Asians an official oppressed minority.

    One of my kids had a Hmong friend who was quite brilliant. Hmong guy went to Harvard with over 100% scholarship — paid his tuition, room, board, fees, books and some spending money as well.

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    Heck, in Wisconsin, Asian kids adopted by white families get all sorts of Affirmative Action stuff.
     
    Such as?
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  68. JW says:
    @Twinkie

    Even as my husband is white and our son is light-skinned brown
     
    I didn’t read all the ranting carefully, but since she is half-white, does this mean her son is 3/4-white and is complaining about the animal shelter fundraiser being too white?

    If whiteness = evil, then she is half-evil, and her son is 3/4-evil. I’m zero percent white genetically, so does that mean I should outrank her in non-evilness in the SJW goodness meter?

    Or is being Asian “lily white” (as one criticism leveled against law schools and the Silicon Valley alleged) and it still makes me a subhuman in the eyes of these virtuous people?

    Or is being Asian “lily white” (as one criticism leveled against law schools and the Silicon Valley alleged) and it still makes me a subhuman in the eyes of these virtuous people?
    Yes, Asians are just as evil as whites to them.

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  69. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Poor son of that angry creature: he is no more than 25% black (probably less than that) but he’s got a crazy mulatto mom who is doing everything she can to raise him culturally as black as possible.

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    Anonymous, hmmm, not quite. If she wanted to raise her son as black as possible I suggest she moves with him to let's say Ferguson, Mo. but first, dump her husband and get pregnant by some could care less thug. That would be authentic.
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  70. Gee I just cannot imagine why her dad drinks…

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  71. Twinkie says:
    @istevefan

    That may well be, but why then choose to live here while also raising a black child who will then grow up seeing white people everywhere she looks, everywhere she turns, every day, throughout her entire childhood? How is that healthy? Who does that?
     
    Will she come around to believing that separate nations are answer?

    (My adopted family is white. My birthmother is white, and my birthfather is black.)
     
    I didn't see that from the photos. I wouldn't have been surprised if she had 20% Euro ancestry like most blacks. But I never would have guessed she had a white parent, and thus 50% or even more Euro ancestry.

    But I never would have guessed she had a white parent, and thus 50% or even more Euro ancestry.

    Maybe that’s why she’s really resentful.

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  72. Twinkie says:
    @Paleo Liberal
    I agree.

    My kids are tri-racial. I have them put Native American on all their college applications etc.

    Something I learned though the years, the system has become rather corrupt, and if one can game the system without lying, why not?

    Heck, in Wisconsin, Asian kids adopted by white families get all sorts of Affirmative Action stuff. Thing is, biggest Asian ethnic group in Wisconsin is Hmong, so they make Asians an official oppressed minority.

    One of my kids had a Hmong friend who was quite brilliant. Hmong guy went to Harvard with over 100% scholarship -- paid his tuition, room, board, fees, books and some spending money as well.

    Heck, in Wisconsin, Asian kids adopted by white families get all sorts of Affirmative Action stuff.

    Such as?

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  73. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous-antiskynetist
    "...For all the whining about their “plight,” black women have the best deal of anyone in the US...."


    My daughter is technically "black" since her mother is a light-skinned West Indian. However, she got my ice-blue eyes, wavy caucasian hair and pale skin.

    But you better believe, in this world, that I'm raising her to be as blackity black as she needs to be to get where she wants to be.

    “But you better believe, in this world, that I’m raising her to be as blackity black as she needs to be to get where she wants to be.”

    You are more than likely doing her a disservice. In a long run, one’s mental balance is always better when one is firmly aware of some basic truths of the world.

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  74. JimB says:
    @Spud Boy
    She sounds like the female Colin Kapernick.
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    And she looks like a black female Don Knotts impersonator.

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    She actually looks like John McWhorter with wig.
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  75. @Anon
    I disagree with Obama on many issues but he is not trash. The man is remarkably disciplined and has conducted himself with dignity in the office (even if he acted in interests of democratic party rather than the US). If Trump had 10% of the discipline & focus of Obama, the borders would have been closed by now.

    Well, well, it goes to show that cuckery is big even among people with alternative views. I guess staking one's worth by praising Negroes is too deeply ingrained in the American Psyche.

    Now, Obama is not trash in the sense of rappers and such. But we need judge a man by substance, not style. If ou look at his style, it too is cheap and trashy.

    First, what was Obama as a young man? A pothead and hedonist shitter. But okay, let's cut him some slack because young people act stupid. With affirmative action, he got into Harvard, and simply because he was a well-behaved black guy, they elevated him to Harvard Law Review status. What did he do? Nothing.



    After college, what did he achieve? Nothing. He hardly had any academic achievements. What did he accomplish as a politician? Again, zero. So, what was he doing all these years? He knew he could just coast on Jewish Power. He knew what the elites were looking for, and he created his Persona as The One, the Son that Oprah never had. So, all he did was practice before a mirror and shake the right hands and... wait.
    So, a total zero got all the accolades and support despite having no history of any achievement whatsoever. I find that pretty trashy. A cheap hustler just playing on white hopes based on 'white guilt'. It sure worked on you. How noble of you to praise a clean-cut black guy.
    Obama was just a hustler and thief. He got by on style. Granted, he was clever enough to play to the power to get the power. But he was never going to be anything more than the Puppet of those who paid and paved his way.

    Also, it's easy to look 'dignified' if all the media, academia, and Hollywood are fawning on you and giving you the Nobel prize for having done nothing. Imagine if the Media had decided to as tough on Obama as it was on Trump. Obama would have cried, sulked, and folded. He's shown time and again what a thin-skinned self-aggrandizing prick he is. But the media covered up for him, massaged him, and sucked him off. And Obama basked in Third Worldish cult of the Big Man. It was all so shameless and disgusting. But to you, that is 'dignified'. A hustler playing the role of messiah of hope. Gimme a break.
    Obama also cut in line. Say whatever you will about Hillary, but she paid her dues. She was right by Billy Boy and did her gig as Senator. 2008 was supposed to be her year. Cuz Obama was younger, he could have waited. But he just cut in line and destroyed Hillary's chances to be president forever. Where do you see dignity or integrity in that? I just see egomania.

    Also, his choice for wife shows he has no taste. Michelle is a gross woman. Disgusting, and Obama raised his girl to be trashy. Hardly better than Billy Boy and the Bushes that are just rich trash now.

    In the most superficial way, one might Obama is clean-cut and dignified. But it's all style, and it's not hard to do. It's what Will Smith does. Any black actor can play 'dignified' in certain movie roles. The magic negro shtick. And that's what Obama did. But that's just style. Let's look at substance. He totally paved the way for vile and gross homomania. He filled up Oval Office with degenerates off all kind. That is substance, and it was just disgusting. And who did he hang with? Rappers and egotistical celebrities. Some taste. And he spent more time playing golf since his job was mostly to obey his Jewish and Homo bosses.

    And Mr. post-racial decided to throw his brothas a bone and unleashed BLM that led to massive crime climb. Everyone of his interventions on race matters was ugly and vulgar and trashy. Like his siding with Henry Louis Gates against a cop who was only doing his job. His BS about Trayvon Martin. The mess in Ferguson, again vindicated by facts that the black guy was the thug. His elevated tone when speaking total nonsense makes his false dignity even more false. No better than a cheap televangelist.

    And in foreign policy? Obama, Mr. Dignity, destroyed Libya, aided terrorists in Syria, let Neocons hire Nazis to mess up Ukraine, and messed up relations with Russia over homo parades. Is that dignity?

    Now, keep in mind that Obama had the media and establishment supporting him all along. And even the GOP that won both houses hardly opposed Obo's globo agenda. And yet, his presidency has been one big clusterfuc*. In fact, it's worse than Bush's. At least moron Bush had 9/11 as excuse to mess up the world. Obama had no such excuse, but he did the bidding of his donors just the same, and he messed up the Middle East royally. And his destruction of Libya led to Afro-invasion of Europe. Yet, you say he was dignified. You cucky-wuck. Someone's gotta toughen you up. You're wasting the aprons on the wrong guy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQAwRpRe9F4

    Now, Trump has lots of problems too. And he is trashy in his own way. But he doesn't pretend to have the dignity he doesn't have. And that's good because US politics is about pimps and whores, and anyone who pretends to have dignity is either a liar or delusional idiot. I find Trump's vulgarity to be refreshing since America is such a cesspool of moral rot and degeneracy. A nation where sophisticated people's idea of morality is letting guys with wigs go wee wee in ladies room. And this goes for Conservatives too, these lowlife cowards who cower and pee their pants and act tough only against Palestinians, Iranians, and Russians cuz their donors tell them to.

    Also, suppose Trump had been given the media treatment that Obama got in 2008. He would won by a superduper landslide against Hillary. Trump won despite everything thrown at him. If he gotten a fair break from media, he would have won much more bigly.

    Also, suppose the media and deep state had been supportive of Trump in ways that they were with Obama. Trump would have gotten a lot done. Instead, his presidency has been under siege from day one, not least by the very people around him.
    From day one of his presidency, Deep State and entire media have been trying to derail him. If such had been done to Obama, he would have just given up. He's the sort of wuss who seems strong only with wind on his back. Trump had to weather the storm. True, Trump is a shady character, but no ordinary man could have done what he did.

    You don't know what dignity is because you're too much of cucky wuck.

    yep–spot on–an empty suit with a 110 IQ–boring

    https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=590&ei=Vhc7WvTuB42hggehi4jQAg&q=obama+fraud&oq=obama+fraud&gs_l=img.12…1611.5845.0.8166.12.11.0.1.0.0.291.1850.0j2j6.8.0&#8230;.0…1ac.1.64.img..3.7.1559.0..0j35i39k1j0i30k1j0i10i30k1.0._qJS5riwsTY#imgrc=O1_MnVT4M0OReM:

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  76. Twinkie says:
    @KM32
    Actually, in my experience, adopted children are quite frequently a nightmare regardless of their race. We all want to think they're like Anne of Green Gables or Gerald Ford, but most come from rough stock, where the parents didn't give a shit about their offspring, or they wouldn't have dumped them, brood parasite-style, on someone else.

    Actually, in my experience, adopted children are quite frequently a nightmare regardless of their race… but most come from rough stock

    This is usually true of lower class white, Hispanic, and black parents who abandon their children, but there is a different dynamic with East Asian adoptees, especially from East Asia. They are also coming from peoples with mean IQ of 105 or so, and even their “rough stock” is not all that bad (just like East Asians of lower socio-economic backgrounds commit far lower rates of crime than average non-Asians).

    I know several Asian adoptees. All are professionals, married to whites, and are basically whites in all but outward appearance.

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    Here’s another data point:

    Keith Weaver gets 35-70 years for slaying of his parents, sister

    Date: 1993-06-23
    Intelligencer Journal (Lancaster, PA)
    Intelligencer Journal staff report

    Sixteen-year-old Keith Chul Weaver, who told the Lancaster County Court he did not know what happened to him when he killed his father, mother and sister and attempted to rape a fourth person in February 1991, was sentenced Tuesday morning to a maximum of 35 to 70 years in prison.

    In sentencing Weaver to the State Correctional Institution at Camp Hill on three counts of third degree murder and one of attempted rape, President Judge D. Richard Eckman said it was important to fashion a sentence to protect the community and society now and in the future.

    He said, "The rehabilitation of the defendant is and must be secondary."

    Eckman noted that that large unanswered question remains, "Will it happen again?" He said he believed "the defendant is definitely a risk ..."

    The Korean-born teen-ager, who was 14 at the time of the offenses, said in a statement prior to sentencing he didn't know what happened _ "I wish I knew why." He added that he didn't know if it would happen again ..."Does anyone know the future?"

    Weaver told the court, "I realize what I have done I cannot take back. Whatever my sentence will be will never justify what happened. It is hard to understand what happened ... what I've done I have to accept ..."



    He added that he had learned a lot of things in his life ... "I realized about love, family and friends."

    Weaver said he knows that he has got to be the best he can. "I realize if have to be in jail for the rest of my life, nobody can take away from me the chance to be the best I can be."

    Many family and friends who had gathered in courtroom for the sentencing, were dismayed by the lengthy sentence. They had hoped that he could be rehabilitated and then released from prison to lead a productive life.

    "It's a long time," said Hershey Leaman, head of a small group of church members that monitored the legal proceedings and reported back to the Weaver family.

    He said the sentencing clearly was not what the family and church members wanted. "We hoped it would be a place with more options for help."

    Weaver's brother, Steven, fought back tears after the sentencing but declined to comment. His sister, Deborah, was not at the sentencing.

    Barbara Ann Horst, an aunt of the Weaver children, said, "I think we all love Keith and we hate to see him in prison for so long."


    The youth himself wiped his eyes as he was taken from the courtroom by deputy sheriffs.

    Later, his attorney, J. Richard Gray said that Weaver "was very upset and distraught."

    Assistant District Attorney Heidi Carter, however, said the Commonwealth was "very happy with the sentence."

    She said it sends "a strong message to juveniles who commit homicide that age is not going to be the deciding factor when it comes to a just sentence."

    Gray plans to appeal the sentence to a higher court.

    In imposing sentence, Eckman recommended psychiatric and psychological counseling for Weaver, "whatever educational facilities are available ... and any other consideration be given because of his age of 16."

    Weaver, who was adopted by the Weaver family when he was four and a half, fatally stabbed his parents, Dr. R. Clair and Anna May Weaver, and his 15-year-old sister, Kimberly. He then sexually assaulted a teen-aged girl who was visiting his home outside Landisville.

    In March of 1992, he was convicted of three counts of third degree murder and one count each of attempted rape, indecent assault and simple assault.

    During the trial, a psychologist testified that Weaver had suffered from abuse and neglect before his adoption. He said the teen-ager heard voices who urged him to kill his family.

    Eckman sentenced Weaver to consecutive terms of 10 to 20 years on each murder and consecutive five to 10 years on the attempted rape. The indecent assault and simple assault merged with the attempted rape. Weaver is to pay costs but no fine.

    He noted that the events of the night of Feb. 17, 1991 "were a tragedy of immense magnitude ... half of a family died, all contributing, respected members of the community." He said it was also a tragedy for the defendant who has been described as bright and as popular with his classmates.

    Prior to sentencing, Dr. David A. Rogers, a licensed psychologist with Pennsylvania Psychological Services, Harrisburg, described Weaver as suffering from post traumatic stress disorder, similar to Vietnam veterans.

    He said it was his impression that Weaver, was in a "disassociated state" at the time of the killings as if he were watching the action.

    Upon being questioned specifically on the chances of Weaver committing a similar act again, Rogers said there is some element of risk. Something could happen. The percentage is not that great, but it is always there.

    Pressed, he admitted that he couldn't say it would not happen again, given the right circumstances.

    Rogers has been seeing Weaver every other week since May 1991. Prior to that for six or eight weeks, he saw Weaver on a weekly basis.

    Gray, speaking before sentencing an seeking mercy, noted, "never has the defense attempted to deny or minimize these acts ... Keith still does not understand what motivated him."

    He said Weaver didn't do it for gain or for spite. "There is no easy answer ... forces controlled him rather than he controlling himself.

    Gray asked what the Weavers would want done with their son. "They constantly believed in discipline, but tempered it with love and mercy. They never gave up on him."

    Ms. Carter said that the real tragedy was that "he never knew about love, family and friends until he killed two parents and a sister."

    She told the court this is "a vile and vicious act ... the day of reckoning for Keith Weaver and has come and we Still don't have a reason...Clair and Anna May and Kim Weaver would ask for justice today."

    In addressing the court, Weaver turned near the conclusion of his words, faced the the friends and family in the courtroom and told them, "With me I deserve to go through this but my family and friends do not ... I really appreciate everything you've done for me. All I can say is thank you and I love you all."
     
    The pathological altruism on display is strong.
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  77. JimB says:

    Rebecca Carroll = Transgender, transracial Side Show Bob.

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    Yuli Gurriel, like most baseball players, has been deafeningly silent on this issue.

    Yuli will serve several days suspension at the beginning of next year for mocking the looks of brown people. This is the first time in history that a player on a World Series team will miss the next year's opening day because his racist antics were so far out of line (or 'so so slanted', as little Yuli would say in his "playful" racist Cuban lingo).

    Yuli, famous for being the first MLB player with a Sideshow Bob haircut, and coincidentally the first World Series player to be banned from the next year's Opening Day for vicious displays of racism during a playoff game, and the angry woman quoted in this post both seem to be angry racists: the question is:
    does wearing a Sideshow Bob haircut cause angry racism, or do angry racists seek out Sideshow Bob's lunatic barber?

    The question answers itself. Haters gonna hate, as FDR used to say.
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  78. EriK says:

    I’m really starting to dislike this woman.

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    I’m really starting to dislike this woman.

    She's a vile creature but I salute what she's doing. Let her destroy whites who attack other whites.
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  79. Twinkie says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    And don’t forget, Democrats are the Real Racists.™

    https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/dsouza.jpg

    But Democrats aren’t the only adulterers. : )

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    In case my comment was unclear, I was mocking Thomm’s formulations with a comparison to D’Souza’s hoary chestnut of late:

    Dinesh D’Souza: Democrats Are The Real Racists

    A contextually-related trope is horseshoe theory, ably explained here by Nathan Damigo, satirically channeling right-wing civic nationalist @USNJack:

    https://twitter.com/NathanDamigo/status/874340034966454276
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  80. Arclight says:
    @bored identity
    'It's not just about hiring'

    https://i.cbc.ca/1.2926113.1421866866!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_940/newsroom-diversity-620.jpg

    newsroom-diversity-620.jpg (JPEG Image, 940 × 529 pixels) - Scaled (87%)

    Statements like these are always hilarious since the speaker is of course parroting the same lines and has the exact same political position/worldview as anyone else who is quoted on these matters. No one every quotes a black woman saying “you know, I’m pretty good at what I do and earned it, and I’m always looking to work with other people who also earned their spots by hard work and talent because that’s more important to me than just being ‘visible’”.

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  81. Anonym says:
    @AnotherDad
    #UncleSamSoWhite

    Uncle Sam seems about typical 1968 generation baby boomer age. Didn’t fight in the second world war and all he knows how to do now is destroy his own kinfolk, kind of like an autoimmune disease.

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  82. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    The Mulatto Roulette or Race Roll Dice.

    One mulatto is marrying the Brit Prince. She got more of the white genes in her looks.

    But this Carroll woman got more of the black genes in her looks. Snake eyes. Bummer .

    Btw, I’m glad that the cripple got fired. What a lowlife. Typical prog elevating himself by putting down OTHER whites. It boomeranged on him. Good.

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  83. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @EriK
    I'm really starting to dislike this woman.

    I’m really starting to dislike this woman.

    She’s a vile creature but I salute what she’s doing. Let her destroy whites who attack other whites.

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  84. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @JimB
    And she looks like a black female Don Knotts impersonator.

    She actually looks like John McWhorter with wig.

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  85. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    Even as my husband is white and our son is light-skinned brown
     
    I didn’t read all the ranting carefully, but since she is half-white, does this mean her son is 3/4-white and is complaining about the animal shelter fundraiser being too white?

    If whiteness = evil, then she is half-evil, and her son is 3/4-evil. I’m zero percent white genetically, so does that mean I should outrank her in non-evilness in the SJW goodness meter?

    Or is being Asian “lily white” (as one criticism leveled against law schools and the Silicon Valley alleged) and it still makes me a subhuman in the eyes of these virtuous people?

    If whiteness = evil, then she is half-evil, and her son is 3/4-evil.

    No, it doesn’t work that way. You’re applying math and numbers.

    We have to use voodoo and magic. When black and white mix, the result isn’t half and half. It is all black. Black takes over the white, and the white serves the black. This is esp true where the mother is white since she rejected white men and went with superior Negro. So, it is white surrender to black. It’s like America. Red man lost to white man. So, it became a white country, not a red-white country. Winner takes all. That is the American Way.
    It’s like a boxing match. One boxer may have won half the rounds, but if the other fighter won just a bit more in points, he wins the WHOLE match.
    Or if a football game is 35-34, the team that scored 35 wins 100% of the victory.

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  86. Peterike says:
    @Moses
    For some reason only non-Fellow White People Whites adopt babies of other races.

    I’ve never seen Asians, blacks or Fellow White People do it.

    What is it with Whites?

    “For some reason only non-Fellow White People Whites adopt babies of other races.

    I’ve never seen Asians, blacks or Fellow White People do it.”

    I knew a Vietnamese American woman — totally Americanized SWPL — and her husband, a white hipster soy boy. They adopted a black boy from Africa. He was about 8 years old and a source of endless, chaotic misery for them, in constant trouble at school as well. God knows what’ll happen when he hits puberty.

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    I think an American couple of Asian background adopted an African kid and got in trouble overseas, in the Middle East, I think. It made the rounds here a couple years back.
    , @Johann Ricke

    They adopted a black boy from Africa. He was about 8 years old
     
    That's the problem right there. There's a reason why adoptive parents prefer to take on children aged 2 and under.
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  87. @Barnard
    It would be beneficial for every white couple considering adopting a non white child to read her piece. I don't know how common a reaction this is from adopted children, but considering the propaganda disseminated through public education and the proliferation of writing like this online, the likelihood of that child growing up to, at best, resent her parents has to be increasing significantly.

    Mothers of mixed race babies often regret that their children don’t look like them and have trouble bonding with the child.

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  88. Redman says:
    @Bill P
    For all the whining about their "plight," black women have the best deal of anyone in the US. That's why they vote for democrats at rates of roughly 100%.

    I have known and worked with a few working class white women who, if they were black, would be managing a bank branch or something along those lines. I have had to deal with black women workers whose level of incompetency, rudeness and sense of entitlement would have gotten anyone else fired. Also, there's straight-up welfare discrimination in favor of black women. All else being equal, they are more likely to have section 8, SNAP, TANF etc. They are also overrepresented in college, far surpassing black males in that regard despite the appetite for black male athletes.

    Black men, on the other hand, don't get so many breaks. They get hammered by the administrative state, they are routinely ejected from their families, and treated like dangerous animals by the courts. I know a lot of people here on iSteve think they deserve it, and some do, but they exercise remarkable restraint given the behavior of their women. I have observed this on a number of occasions myself. One of our biggest sins as a nation is our ongoing destruction of the tenuous black father figure. Seems precious few have learned anything from Mark Twain's best work.

    Trump and republicans in general have nothing to lose by championing the cause of black men. Black women aren't going to vote for Trump anyway, so he could only make gains by pledging to halt the ongoing destruction of black fatherhood.

    Totally agree with this.

    Reminds me of a cab ride I had in NY right after the 3rd Trump/HRC debate. Twenty-something Black male cabby asked me what I thought of the debate. My initial reaction was to try to avoid the topic. I’d had too many bad experiences telling people I liked Trump.

    To my surprise, the cabby proceeded to discuss how much he liked Trump and couldn’t understand the black community’s support of HRC.

    Trump appeals more to black men than people realize. Or they’re willing to be open about. Trump’s support of Tyson during his rape trial was something that always made a big impression on me. He may have had an economic interest, but at the time, I recall sensing that Trump actually cared about Tyson and how he’d been screwed. I wonder is some/many black men sense that about him too.

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    I'm surprised you had a black American cabbie.
    , @AndrewR
    I think many black people can sense that Trump has no particular disdain for, or love of, blacks. It's the "talented tenth" who go to college and marinate in toxic anti-white ideology who think that Trump sneezing is evidence of white supremacy.
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  89. @Barnard
    Carroll considers the rioters of Ferguson to be heroes and has a great deal of animosity for the white people in the low crime, small, New England town where she was raised. She and her husband have raised their 75% white son to think of himself only as black. I wonder how that will go for him if he ever tries to live in a place with a predominantly black population.

    So all those black small business owners and their black employees should be proud their workplaces were destroyed?
    And then people in some neighborhoods wonder why there aren’t any local places to shop or get your hair done anymore.

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  90. Clyde says:
    @Half Canadian
    All I'm getting from her is a lack of gratitude towards her adoptive parents.
    Few kids get to chose the environment they were raised in. It comes down to how much you want to complain about it. And that's what she seems to have chosen.

    All I’m getting from her is a lack of gratitude towards her adoptive parents.

    To say the least! She has serious (white) daddy issues. They adopted-rescued her from wrecked circumstances and this is what they get. When you rescue someone drowning they might panic and try to pull you down with them. This is what she is doing to her father and mother. How much do you want to bet she lives in hipster central, Brooklyn?

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  91. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    I agree that Obama is not trash, but that should be a pretty low bar for anybody to clear no matter the hue of his complexion. Yet I disagree that he was remarkably disciplined. On the contrary he coasted from Choom Gang to Occidental and then on through the Ivy League he continued to coast as the First Black President of the Harvard Law Review. Then he coasted as a professional community organizer and an undistinguished career teaching law at University of Chicago. Certainly disciplined enough get by as good enough, but he never showed a burning energy and serious passion. Perhaps the world ruined him by spoiling him when it was always too eager to see Obama as a magical amulet talisman filled with some mysterious "eldritch energies" instead of demanding more from him to develop his potential?

    Obama is a tragic example of wasted potential. He might have been the last leader who had a real opportunity to unite and heal the nation's rifts, had he had the courage to stand up to the destructive demagoguery coming from factions aligned with his side? Instead he wasted a wide mandate that gave him wide legitimacy from all parts of the nation and across all segments of the population. Instead of governing with energy, courage and principle, he failed to find his own backbone and let those from his own base destroy that wide mandate. The opportunity he wasted was much rarer than once in a generation... Perhaps those more conversant in American history than I can suggest a parallel from before when weak leadership meant a missed opportunity to make difficult maneuvers that might have avoided the Civil War.

    I hoped that Obama might solve the Israeli Palestinian problem which I think was the underlying cause of all of the wars in the Middle East in which we have been involved.

    He certainly failed to solve the problem. I wonder if anyone can.

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    I hoped that Obama might solve the Israeli Palestinian problem which I think was the underlying cause of all of the wars in the Middle East in which we have been involved.
     
    You think that Obama could have solved a 3500 year-old blood feud? Obama is an imbecile, but even if he were the single best person of the face of the planet he would fail there. No one person can solve that problem. One of the two groups must either die out, or be assimilated into another group so completely that they do not care.
    , @snorlax
    The Middle East has been in a continuous state of war for the last 5000 years. The underlying cause is genetic, maybe secondarily geography or climate.
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  92. If American white men want to play a stupid game, they should expect to win a stupid prize.

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  93. @PaceLaw
    Good points. This tragic mulatto’s problem is that she more than likely grew up in a very white environment and didn’t really associate with blacks. As a result, she has an overly romantic view of the community which comes across as a fetish.

    Needs to watch “Don’t Be a Menace to South Central While Drinking Your Juice in the Hood” so she can lose those glammed-up ideas about the ‘Hood.

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  94. @rogue-one
    I disagree with Obama on many issues but he is not trash. The man is remarkably disciplined and has conducted himself with dignity in the office (even if he acted in interests of democratic party rather than the US).

    If Trump had 10% of the discipline & focus of Obama, the borders would have been closed by now.

    “…and has conducted himself with dignity in the office…”

    As shown here?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hee0rDOTJ78

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  95. @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    Umm.... just looking at her pic...I surely wouldn't jump to the conclusion that she wasn't getting hit on because of her race...

    Occam's razor and all of that.

    Cruel but true. Wonder what her reaction would have been had a co-worker who looked like a young Naomi Campbell got harassed while she still didn’t.

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  96. Redman says:
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    I agree that Obama is not trash, but that should be a pretty low bar for anybody to clear no matter the hue of his complexion. Yet I disagree that he was remarkably disciplined. On the contrary he coasted from Choom Gang to Occidental and then on through the Ivy League he continued to coast as the First Black President of the Harvard Law Review. Then he coasted as a professional community organizer and an undistinguished career teaching law at University of Chicago. Certainly disciplined enough get by as good enough, but he never showed a burning energy and serious passion. Perhaps the world ruined him by spoiling him when it was always too eager to see Obama as a magical amulet talisman filled with some mysterious "eldritch energies" instead of demanding more from him to develop his potential?

    Obama is a tragic example of wasted potential. He might have been the last leader who had a real opportunity to unite and heal the nation's rifts, had he had the courage to stand up to the destructive demagoguery coming from factions aligned with his side? Instead he wasted a wide mandate that gave him wide legitimacy from all parts of the nation and across all segments of the population. Instead of governing with energy, courage and principle, he failed to find his own backbone and let those from his own base destroy that wide mandate. The opportunity he wasted was much rarer than once in a generation... Perhaps those more conversant in American history than I can suggest a parallel from before when weak leadership meant a missed opportunity to make difficult maneuvers that might have avoided the Civil War.

    IMO For Obama to have been all of those things (and I wish he was) he would need to have been a conservative black man.

    Coming in as he did as the Democrat’s hope, even though he never demonstrated a leftist ideological strain, he was always going to be co-opted and owner by the progressives. He had to pay the piper that got him to the White House.

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  97. Clyde says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    The halted-adolescent, resentful, showing-Daddy-who's-boss tone of Carroll's articles is sad.

    Her style is sophomoric: repetitious 'even as . . .' constructions; not quite knowing what some words she uses mean, e.g. 'arcane' and 'imposing'; awkward, over-qualified constructions characteristic of writers not confident using strong words they do know, e.g. 'tended to revel'; plus wordiness any competent writer/editor should have eliminated, e.g. 'as the barbecue fell squarely during cocktail hour and my father never misses cocktail hour'.

    Reading between the lines, Carroll had a privileged childhood, and now she's paid for her words by wide-reaching publications such as the Guardian, she has a high-profile media job many young strivers would kill for, she's got a husband and a child -- and yet everything is terrible, awful, oppressive.

    Back in the early 1990s, when I was in grad school, where the Cult of Victimization was fueling up and testing its engines, no one warned us its full-throttle expression would be so boring.

    Reading between the lines, Carroll had a privileged childhood, and now she’s paid for her words by wide-reaching publications such as the Guardian, she has a high-profile media job many young strivers would kill for, she’s got a husband and a child — and yet everything is terrible, awful, oppressive.

    A nasty SJW sucking down tax payer’s money. She works at WNYC, not in the dreaded private sector. Most of the SJW stories I read have them ripping off the taxpayers one way or another, usually via gigs at our public universities.

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  98. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Whew, the hatred is really thick. Although she’s genetically half white she can’t pass. She wants to be white but can’t so that’s turned to rage and hatred. She’s trying to whiten up her genetics even more by marrying white and living around whites, having a whiter bloodline. There’s nothing exceptional about this person so the real problem is the dumb whites who give her support and a platform for her ranting.

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  99. This strikes me as intensely weird, from any perspective.

    I’ve been the white dude in predominately black places and the white dude-friend of black people in predominately white places. In the former case, it’s a little weird being the interloper but, as usual, people are perfectly welcoming, so long as you’ve been invited. In the latter, people have complained about bad food, usually in jest, or about other guests being somewhat less friendly than they’re accustomed to (reasonable when someone is visiting from, say, South Carolina to New England), but I’ve never heard anyone complain that the majority of people in a given place belong to an ethnic group that, you know, lives there.

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    Then you've never seen the phrase "white af" which is now applied to any place or time where there are too many whites. Too many is defined as 'a majority' now, and will before long be defined as 'any at all'.
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  100. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Barnard
    Carroll considers the rioters of Ferguson to be heroes and has a great deal of animosity for the white people in the low crime, small, New England town where she was raised. She and her husband have raised their 75% white son to think of himself only as black. I wonder how that will go for him if he ever tries to live in a place with a predominantly black population.

    She and her husband have raised their 75% white son to think of himself only as black. I wonder how that will go for him if he ever tries to live in a place with a predominantly black population.

    They are raising him to be blaque. Paradoxically, blackness has higher value in a sea of white. For blacks, it means a ‘struggle’ to remain authentic and overcoming the temptation to be a ‘tom’. And for self-loathing-righteous whites, the presence of a black person in their midst means they are for ‘diversity’ and ‘inclusion’.

    A black among blacks has no value. He or she’s just dime-a-dozen. But a black among whites has iconic and talismanic value, esp if the black person plays it right. Obama played it right cuz he read white social psychology. He presented his blackness as a higher grade, one that might be pleasing to whites who sympathize with blackness but fear too-many-blacks.

    In this kind of white milieu, being ‘blaque’ is a great advantage. It certainly was for Carroll. It is Fancy Black. It’s like the white family in GET OUT(which I haven’t seen) prizes blaque-ness.

    A goose among geese is just another goose.
    But a goose in a world where geese are relatively rare is a special creature indeed. So, why give up on the goose-ness?

    Sailer wrote of Plaques for Blacks. But blacks too can be plaques or blaques.

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    She and her husband have raised their 75% white son to think of himself only as black.
     
    That will come in handy in the soul-searching essay in his college application to Harvard. He has a MacArthur grant grandfather—why, he's practically a shoo-in if he hits the right notes. Mom could help him write the essay, since she's so practised in the art of self-discovery essays, which is what admissions officers love.
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  101. @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    Umm.... just looking at her pic...I surely wouldn't jump to the conclusion that she wasn't getting hit on because of her race...

    Occam's razor and all of that.

    She looks like a nasty piece of work, best to give her a wide berth.

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  102. @The Last Real Calvinist
    The halted-adolescent, resentful, showing-Daddy-who's-boss tone of Carroll's articles is sad.

    Her style is sophomoric: repetitious 'even as . . .' constructions; not quite knowing what some words she uses mean, e.g. 'arcane' and 'imposing'; awkward, over-qualified constructions characteristic of writers not confident using strong words they do know, e.g. 'tended to revel'; plus wordiness any competent writer/editor should have eliminated, e.g. 'as the barbecue fell squarely during cocktail hour and my father never misses cocktail hour'.

    Reading between the lines, Carroll had a privileged childhood, and now she's paid for her words by wide-reaching publications such as the Guardian, she has a high-profile media job many young strivers would kill for, she's got a husband and a child -- and yet everything is terrible, awful, oppressive.

    Back in the early 1990s, when I was in grad school, where the Cult of Victimization was fueling up and testing its engines, no one warned us its full-throttle expression would be so boring.

    Her style is sophomoric…

    Writing While Black.

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  103. “Probably inside 30 seconds he said to me, in front of the staff, ‘If it feels like a slave plantation mentality here, that’s because it is,’” said Ms. Carroll, who is black.

    That reminds me of one of those Michael Scottisms on The Office. He’s showing a new black employee around the office and says, “Follow me, I will show you where all the slaves work.”

    Cringe-worthy to be sure, but not hateful. Though I’m sure Ms. Carroll would tell me I’m not qualified to be the judge of that.

    …all I could hear in my head was that white friend from high school who said to me: “Why is it always about race for you?”

    That friend was telling you something important about yourself.

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  104. @Twinkie
    But Democrats aren’t the only adulterers. : )

    In case my comment was unclear, I was mocking Thomm’s formulations with a comparison to D’Souza’s hoary chestnut of late:

    Dinesh D’Souza: Democrats Are The Real Racists

    A contextually-related trope is horseshoe theory, ably explained here by Nathan Damigo, satirically channeling right-wing civic nationalist @USNJack:

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    Oh I got it all right. Did you get mine?
    , @AndrewR
    It's true that some people sometimes use horseshoe theory inaccurately in order to make false equivalences, but there is a lot of truth to the theory.

    I watched the video of Jason Kessler at the Charlottesville city council meeting this week. As we know, antifa is full of violent authoritarians who want to force people to think and act the way that antifa wants. August 12, 2017 showed that abundantly clearly. But in the comments to Kessler's video, someone says "white women who race mix should be shot", and the comment has multiple likes. I'm sure that you too have seen such violent rhetoric from right-wingers.

    Are we supposed to believe these people are better than antifa? Are we supposed to believe that some forms of murderous totalitarianism are better than others? What, exactly, is your point in posting this video of Damigo? Yes, he did a good job of mocking the Oath Keeper cucks, but that doesn't mean horseshoe theory is false.

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  105. @Deckin
    "[H]is mother is black and writes about race in the media; his parents have friends who are black and brown and gay and who visit and discuss race and politics openly, rigorously, often."

    I doubt she has any idea what rigorously really means but she left out exclusively.

    Apparently gays aren’t white!

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  106. Jack D says:
    @Twinkie

    It would be beneficial for every white couple considering adopting a non white child to read her piece.
     
    Change “non white child” to “black child.” Adopted Asian children usually don’t create this kind of drama. Some may go through the “seeking birth mother/birth culture” phase, but most return and are grateful to their white parents.

    Unfortunately, this is not true. There is a whole little group in Korea of America adoptees who have gone back home because they felt as if they were stolen from their family and culture by their white adoptive parents, whom they often want nothing to do with.

    A certain % of adopted children are deeply unhappy people (and often, like this woman, they try to make everyone around them as miserable as they are). Maybe they would have been miserable people even if they were never adopted, but adoption can also badly mess with your head, especially if it does not occur at a very young age. Kids can develop issues with bonding and trust that can never be overcome, no matter how well treated they are by their adoptive parents. Racial differences only make this worse.

    There are certainly many happy stories of adoptions that turn out well for everyone, but a certain % go bad – instead of the kid being grateful, etc. as you might expect, they are deeply bitter and resentful instead.

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    You do know what the word “most” means, right?
    , @Johann Ricke

    A certain % of adopted children are deeply unhappy people (and often, like this woman, they try to make everyone around them as miserable as they are). Maybe they would have been miserable people even if they were never adopted, but adoption can also badly mess with your head, especially if it does not occur at a very young age.
     
    That can't be this woman's (i.e. the person in the article) excuse, since she was adopted under age 2. What a disaster for the adoptive parents. But it's the kind of thing that happens, whatever the race of the kid. Unhappy people will find reasons to stay unhappy, and make the people around them miserable. I know of one couple who adopted a daughter as an infant, and never let on that she was adopted. It wasn't an interracial adoption, either. She left after college and never contacted them again. The kicker is that she was this couple's only child.
    , @Anonymous

    A certain % of adopted children are deeply unhappy people (and often, like this woman, they try to make everyone around them as miserable as they are). ...Kids can develop issues with bonding and trust that can never be overcome, no matter how well treated they are by their adoptive parents. Racial differences only make this worse.
     
    The real issue - often unacknowledged by the adoptee - is resentment for having been ABANDONED by BOTH birth parents. This resentment is often - ironically - projeted onto the adoptive parents who are blamed for facilitating the abandonment of the adoptee by the birth parents.

    Obama is a classic example, publishing "Dreams from my Father" about a man - likely NOT his bio dad - whom he saw for no more than 2 hours in his whole life, while making derogatory statements about his grandparents (de facto adoptive parents) and ignoring his birth mother as she lay dying of cancer.

    ("Dreams from my Father" is, of course, ghostwritten but clearly reflects the psychological reality of young Barry Dunham who only took the name Obama in his 20s, having in the meantime been abandoned again, by his step dad Soetoro.)

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  107. Twinkie says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    In case my comment was unclear, I was mocking Thomm’s formulations with a comparison to D’Souza’s hoary chestnut of late:

    Dinesh D’Souza: Democrats Are The Real Racists

    A contextually-related trope is horseshoe theory, ably explained here by Nathan Damigo, satirically channeling right-wing civic nationalist @USNJack:

    https://twitter.com/NathanDamigo/status/874340034966454276

    Oh I got it all right. Did you get mine?

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    Wikipedia says D’Souza was briefly a near-polygamist—was that your reference?
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  108. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @JimB
    Rebecca Carroll = Transgender, transracial Side Show Bob.

    Yuli Gurriel, like most baseball players, has been deafeningly silent on this issue.

    Yuli will serve several days suspension at the beginning of next year for mocking the looks of brown people. This is the first time in history that a player on a World Series team will miss the next year’s opening day because his racist antics were so far out of line (or ‘so so slanted’, as little Yuli would say in his “playful” racist Cuban lingo).

    Yuli, famous for being the first MLB player with a Sideshow Bob haircut, and coincidentally the first World Series player to be banned from the next year’s Opening Day for vicious displays of racism during a playoff game, and the angry woman quoted in this post both seem to be angry racists: the question is:
    does wearing a Sideshow Bob haircut cause angry racism, or do angry racists seek out Sideshow Bob’s lunatic barber?

    The question answers itself. Haters gonna hate, as FDR used to say.

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    Clearly, growing up in a communist dictatorship is insufficient to guide one through the labyrinth of American PC.
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  109. Twinkie says:
    @Jack D
    Unfortunately, this is not true. There is a whole little group in Korea of America adoptees who have gone back home because they felt as if they were stolen from their family and culture by their white adoptive parents, whom they often want nothing to do with.

    A certain % of adopted children are deeply unhappy people (and often, like this woman, they try to make everyone around them as miserable as they are). Maybe they would have been miserable people even if they were never adopted, but adoption can also badly mess with your head, especially if it does not occur at a very young age. Kids can develop issues with bonding and trust that can never be overcome, no matter how well treated they are by their adoptive parents. Racial differences only make this worse.

    There are certainly many happy stories of adoptions that turn out well for everyone, but a certain % go bad - instead of the kid being grateful, etc. as you might expect, they are deeply bitter and resentful instead.

    You do know what the word “most” means, right?

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  110. @Buffalo Joe
    Bill, Buffalo, Cleveland, Atlanta and Chicago all suffered from having black women as their public school superintendents. No white male would have been allowed to trash major school systems as these women did.

    San Francisco had a great black women administrator in the early noughts.

    http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/SAN-FRANCISCO-Ackerman-says-she-ll-quit-as-2610959.php

    She was let go because her crackdown on corruption hurt too many well connected thieves. The official reason was that she wasn’t collegial.

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  111. Twinkie says:
    @Peterike
    “For some reason only non-Fellow White People Whites adopt babies of other races.

    I’ve never seen Asians, blacks or Fellow White People do it.”

    I knew a Vietnamese American woman — totally Americanized SWPL — and her husband, a white hipster soy boy. They adopted a black boy from Africa. He was about 8 years old and a source of endless, chaotic misery for them, in constant trouble at school as well. God knows what’ll happen when he hits puberty.

    I think an American couple of Asian background adopted an African kid and got in trouble overseas, in the Middle East, I think. It made the rounds here a couple years back.

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  112. Paul Rain says:

    Very ungrateful.

    She needs to go back.

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  113. 22pp22 says:
    @Anon
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umdXXTwlBFI&feature=youtu.be

    There is abuse and there is 'abuse'.

    It's like hazing. It's not just a simple case of abusing someone. It's offering entry to the club by undergoing ritualized thrills.

    This is why the girls who are not asked to join the hazing in DAZED AND CONFUSED feel left out.

    There is humiliation for losers and humiliation for winners. The former is just abuse. But the latter has the look of abuse but is really a ritual where the price of admission is you gotta show you can play the game.

    PS. Afro-Colonization of White Wombs stinks. White women have sex with blacks and produce trash like Obama, Kaepernick, and Carroll. What a waste of a womb.

    Feminists were silent over Rotherham. They should be silent now.

    White left wing Liberals being hanged from a gallows they built for us. Who cares?

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    Feminists were silent over Rotherham. They should be silent now.

    Why don't they say anything about Rap and Porn?

    Rappers were pressured not to say 'fa**ot', but it's okay for them to use 'biatch', 'ho', 'skank', etc.

    And doesn't porn 'objectify' women?

    But then, feminists would have to address black pathology and Jewish involvement.

    So, shhhhh.
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  114. 3g4me says:
    @Twinkie

    It would be beneficial for every white couple considering adopting a non white child to read her piece.
     
    Change “non white child” to “black child.” Adopted Asian children usually don’t create this kind of drama. Some may go through the “seeking birth mother/birth culture” phase, but most return and are grateful to their white parents.

    @29 Twinkie: “Adopted Asian children usually don’t create this kind of drama. Some may go through the “seeking birth mother/birth culture” phase, but most return and are grateful to their white parents.”

    You’re woefully misinformed or perhaps choose to see only the positive in those of your own race. There are entire websites filled with Asians adopted by Whites (a large percent of them Korean, merely because the Korean war was when Americans first adopted large numbers of Asian children) ranting about how unpersoned and unhappy they were being raised in a White environment. Far from being grateful to their adoptive parents, they almost uniformly condemn them as, at best, well meaning and condescending.

    A substantial cohort returned to Korea, sought out blood relatives, and demurely accepted scathing criticism of the adoptee for being insufficiently Asian in habit, custom, demeanor, and language. Then, neither fish nor fowl, they settled in to live in Korea as a Korean-Americans among other adopted Korean Americans. I’ve read similar rants by Chinese adopted and raised by American Jews. There are hapa websites where the men almost categorically reject their White fathers as colonial oppressors and their Asian mothers as whores.

    You may continue to claim your own mixed progeny is perfectly well adapted and blended, but overall experience and statistics would prove you wrong. Interracial marriage and interracial adoption joins that which both God and biology separated, and the results are not particularly pretty – either aesthetically or psychologically.

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    I’ve read similar rants by Chinese adopted and raised by American Jews. There are hapa websites where the men almost categorically reject their White fathers as colonial oppressors and their Asian mothers as whores.
     
    This is all good in the long run - as long as the cucks and race blind liberals take a good long look at it.
    , @Twinkie

    statistics would prove you wrong
     
    Show me.
    , @Gary in Gramercy
    "I’ve read similar rants by Chinese adopted and raised by American Jews."

    Really? What were their complaints? I can guess at the top three:

    3. Mom and Dad didn't make me do enough homework. (Well, not enough to get into Harvard, but I made in in at Penn.)
    2. Rental units had terrible taste in Chinese food. (Who, in this century, orders chow mein?)
    1. Jews invented guilt, but Chinese perfected shame. (To paraphrase Gordon Gekko, "Shame is good. Shame works.")
    , @Jack D

    Interracial marriage and interracial adoption joins that which both God and biology separated, and the results are not particularly pretty – either aesthetically or psychologically.
     
    I really don't pretend to know the intentions of God, but if He and biology really wanted the races to be separate He would have made us separate species.

    Interracial adoptions seem to have a certain % (20-25%) of problems though most go well. I don't know how the offspring of interracial marriages do psychologically vs unmixed individuals - Obama did OK although he did seem to resent his white side. But he turned his resentment into profit.

    Aesthetically, Eurasian (women) are often noted as being particularly beautiful. There's no accounting for taste and sometimes a mix gets you the worst of both worlds instead of the best, but when the wheels line up just right the effect can be very pleasing.
    , @AnotherDad

    You may continue to claim your own mixed progeny is perfectly well adapted and blended, but overall experience and statistics would prove you wrong. Interracial marriage and interracial adoption joins that which both God and biology separated, and the results are not particularly pretty – either aesthetically or psychologically.
     
    Mostly "what Jack said".

    But let me toss in a key point. Interracial adoption and marriage are two very different things.

    Adoption is generally fraught. Most kids are fine, but many have issues. (Children should be with their natural parents if at all possible.) Transracial takes the issue to another level of incompatibility and adds some stress. Twinkie's probably right that his people's kids do better in these transracial adoptions (by white) people than the norm. That's because they are generally more compliant and higher-IQ than the norm. But in the "diversity!" world we live in even these pretty compliant kids are being handed an axe to grind.

    Mostly what the adoption experience teaches is genes matter. At the environmental level of modern America--sufficient protein, vitamins, calories and universal public education--especially middle class modern America, nature is so wholly dominant over nurture it's a genuine ass whooping. Adoptive parents find out, the cake was baked somewhere else.

    I'd encourage anyone wanting kids and considering (non-family) adoption to take a deep breath and understand that. We have all sorts of fancy fertility technology today that allow more people to have their own children and even if that's not possible to have children from their own family lines. Children that will be theirs.

    ~~

    In contrast inter-racial marriage produces children who actually are their parents' children.

    I definitely think it's foolish for any white person to dip into the black pool. It just seems like the height of silliness to take on--and associate even your own self, not to mention your children--with all that whining and resentment. Plus all the IQ and personality issues you're inflicting on your kids. (White women chasing black penis and doing this should indeed be shamed and called what they are.)

    But other combinations ... just doesn't seem like a big deal. In America at least those kids--at least raised by middle class parents in middle class neighborhoods--seem to be pretty comfortable being white. The real critiera are the same ones people should always be considering in a spouse--high character, shared values, intelligence, health, good interpersonal fit, orientation to family, strong sexual attraction, not a doofus with money, etc. etc. Those things easily outweigh the salience of "race" among the "out of Africa" races.
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  115. She looks kinda like Giancarlo Esposito from “Breaking Bad” and more on-point, as the militant pizza parlor pest Buggin’-Out in Do The Right Thing.

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  116. 3g4me says:
    @Thomm
    Except the 'Alt-Right', like Nazi Germany, was left-wing.

    'Alt-Right' is really Paleo-Left.

    @51 Thomm: Mother India is calling you home. Please take heed and leave forthwith.

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  117. @Half Canadian
    All I'm getting from her is a lack of gratitude towards her adoptive parents.
    Few kids get to chose the environment they were raised in. It comes down to how much you want to complain about it. And that's what she seems to have chosen.

    All I’m getting from her is a lack of gratitude towards her adoptive parents.

    And anyone paying attention will decline to raise a black child. So, as usual, Leftists’ self-indulgence results in children paying the price for the choices of adults.

    Don’t raise an ingrate.

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  118. Lurker says:
    @Barnard
    It would be beneficial for every white couple considering adopting a non white child to read her piece. I don't know how common a reaction this is from adopted children, but considering the propaganda disseminated through public education and the proliferation of writing like this online, the likelihood of that child growing up to, at best, resent her parents has to be increasing significantly.

    It’s kind of like how many blacks view white society in fact.

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  119. @Barnard
    Carroll considers the rioters of Ferguson to be heroes and has a great deal of animosity for the white people in the low crime, small, New England town where she was raised. She and her husband have raised their 75% white son to think of himself only as black. I wonder how that will go for him if he ever tries to live in a place with a predominantly black population.

    I wonder how that will go for him if he ever tries to live in a place with a predominantly black population.

    They will abuse him for being insufficiently black. Then he will become Tah NaHeSee Coates (PBUH) the second, and get a MacArthur Genius grant for being an idiot.

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  120. Lurker says:
    @3g4me
    @29 Twinkie: "Adopted Asian children usually don’t create this kind of drama. Some may go through the “seeking birth mother/birth culture” phase, but most return and are grateful to their white parents."

    You're woefully misinformed or perhaps choose to see only the positive in those of your own race. There are entire websites filled with Asians adopted by Whites (a large percent of them Korean, merely because the Korean war was when Americans first adopted large numbers of Asian children) ranting about how unpersoned and unhappy they were being raised in a White environment. Far from being grateful to their adoptive parents, they almost uniformly condemn them as, at best, well meaning and condescending.

    A substantial cohort returned to Korea, sought out blood relatives, and demurely accepted scathing criticism of the adoptee for being insufficiently Asian in habit, custom, demeanor, and language. Then, neither fish nor fowl, they settled in to live in Korea as a Korean-Americans among other adopted Korean Americans. I've read similar rants by Chinese adopted and raised by American Jews. There are hapa websites where the men almost categorically reject their White fathers as colonial oppressors and their Asian mothers as whores.

    You may continue to claim your own mixed progeny is perfectly well adapted and blended, but overall experience and statistics would prove you wrong. Interracial marriage and interracial adoption joins that which both God and biology separated, and the results are not particularly pretty - either aesthetically or psychologically.

    I’ve read similar rants by Chinese adopted and raised by American Jews. There are hapa websites where the men almost categorically reject their White fathers as colonial oppressors and their Asian mothers as whores.

    This is all good in the long run – as long as the cucks and race blind liberals take a good long look at it.

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  121. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Telegram to Miami

    I am always cognizant of the extreme whiteness of Warner (97.9 percent white according to the 2010 U.S. Census Bureau — it felt even whiter growing up) and its neighboring towns whenever I go back to visit, although for some reason this time I felt not simply aware of it, but nearly assaulted by it. …
     
    Astounding. A community of White people, existing as a people, going about their daily and mundane lives, struggling as everyone does with bills, its complexities and intricacies, is an assault on the black mind.

    Where is this “Warner” place? I want to go to there.

    _________________________________________

    Never mind; looked it up. Below zero next week.
    Well, that explains the white people.
    Only ones what can tolerate that.
    No wonder she all mad.

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  122. @Robert Hume
    I hoped that Obama might solve the Israeli Palestinian problem which I think was the underlying cause of all of the wars in the Middle East in which we have been involved.

    He certainly failed to solve the problem. I wonder if anyone can.

    I hoped that Obama might solve the Israeli Palestinian problem which I think was the underlying cause of all of the wars in the Middle East in which we have been involved.

    You think that Obama could have solved a 3500 year-old blood feud? Obama is an imbecile, but even if he were the single best person of the face of the planet he would fail there. No one person can solve that problem. One of the two groups must either die out, or be assimilated into another group so completely that they do not care.

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  123. Lurker says:
    @Anon
    I disagree with Obama on many issues but he is not trash. The man is remarkably disciplined and has conducted himself with dignity in the office (even if he acted in interests of democratic party rather than the US). If Trump had 10% of the discipline & focus of Obama, the borders would have been closed by now.

    Well, well, it goes to show that cuckery is big even among people with alternative views. I guess staking one's worth by praising Negroes is too deeply ingrained in the American Psyche.

    Now, Obama is not trash in the sense of rappers and such. But we need judge a man by substance, not style. If ou look at his style, it too is cheap and trashy.

    First, what was Obama as a young man? A pothead and hedonist shitter. But okay, let's cut him some slack because young people act stupid. With affirmative action, he got into Harvard, and simply because he was a well-behaved black guy, they elevated him to Harvard Law Review status. What did he do? Nothing.



    After college, what did he achieve? Nothing. He hardly had any academic achievements. What did he accomplish as a politician? Again, zero. So, what was he doing all these years? He knew he could just coast on Jewish Power. He knew what the elites were looking for, and he created his Persona as The One, the Son that Oprah never had. So, all he did was practice before a mirror and shake the right hands and... wait.
    So, a total zero got all the accolades and support despite having no history of any achievement whatsoever. I find that pretty trashy. A cheap hustler just playing on white hopes based on 'white guilt'. It sure worked on you. How noble of you to praise a clean-cut black guy.
    Obama was just a hustler and thief. He got by on style. Granted, he was clever enough to play to the power to get the power. But he was never going to be anything more than the Puppet of those who paid and paved his way.

    Also, it's easy to look 'dignified' if all the media, academia, and Hollywood are fawning on you and giving you the Nobel prize for having done nothing. Imagine if the Media had decided to as tough on Obama as it was on Trump. Obama would have cried, sulked, and folded. He's shown time and again what a thin-skinned self-aggrandizing prick he is. But the media covered up for him, massaged him, and sucked him off. And Obama basked in Third Worldish cult of the Big Man. It was all so shameless and disgusting. But to you, that is 'dignified'. A hustler playing the role of messiah of hope. Gimme a break.
    Obama also cut in line. Say whatever you will about Hillary, but she paid her dues. She was right by Billy Boy and did her gig as Senator. 2008 was supposed to be her year. Cuz Obama was younger, he could have waited. But he just cut in line and destroyed Hillary's chances to be president forever. Where do you see dignity or integrity in that? I just see egomania.

    Also, his choice for wife shows he has no taste. Michelle is a gross woman. Disgusting, and Obama raised his girl to be trashy. Hardly better than Billy Boy and the Bushes that are just rich trash now.

    In the most superficial way, one might Obama is clean-cut and dignified. But it's all style, and it's not hard to do. It's what Will Smith does. Any black actor can play 'dignified' in certain movie roles. The magic negro shtick. And that's what Obama did. But that's just style. Let's look at substance. He totally paved the way for vile and gross homomania. He filled up Oval Office with degenerates off all kind. That is substance, and it was just disgusting. And who did he hang with? Rappers and egotistical celebrities. Some taste. And he spent more time playing golf since his job was mostly to obey his Jewish and Homo bosses.

    And Mr. post-racial decided to throw his brothas a bone and unleashed BLM that led to massive crime climb. Everyone of his interventions on race matters was ugly and vulgar and trashy. Like his siding with Henry Louis Gates against a cop who was only doing his job. His BS about Trayvon Martin. The mess in Ferguson, again vindicated by facts that the black guy was the thug. His elevated tone when speaking total nonsense makes his false dignity even more false. No better than a cheap televangelist.

    And in foreign policy? Obama, Mr. Dignity, destroyed Libya, aided terrorists in Syria, let Neocons hire Nazis to mess up Ukraine, and messed up relations with Russia over homo parades. Is that dignity?

    Now, keep in mind that Obama had the media and establishment supporting him all along. And even the GOP that won both houses hardly opposed Obo's globo agenda. And yet, his presidency has been one big clusterfuc*. In fact, it's worse than Bush's. At least moron Bush had 9/11 as excuse to mess up the world. Obama had no such excuse, but he did the bidding of his donors just the same, and he messed up the Middle East royally. And his destruction of Libya led to Afro-invasion of Europe. Yet, you say he was dignified. You cucky-wuck. Someone's gotta toughen you up. You're wasting the aprons on the wrong guy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQAwRpRe9F4

    Now, Trump has lots of problems too. And he is trashy in his own way. But he doesn't pretend to have the dignity he doesn't have. And that's good because US politics is about pimps and whores, and anyone who pretends to have dignity is either a liar or delusional idiot. I find Trump's vulgarity to be refreshing since America is such a cesspool of moral rot and degeneracy. A nation where sophisticated people's idea of morality is letting guys with wigs go wee wee in ladies room. And this goes for Conservatives too, these lowlife cowards who cower and pee their pants and act tough only against Palestinians, Iranians, and Russians cuz their donors tell them to.

    Also, suppose Trump had been given the media treatment that Obama got in 2008. He would won by a superduper landslide against Hillary. Trump won despite everything thrown at him. If he gotten a fair break from media, he would have won much more bigly.

    Also, suppose the media and deep state had been supportive of Trump in ways that they were with Obama. Trump would have gotten a lot done. Instead, his presidency has been under siege from day one, not least by the very people around him.
    From day one of his presidency, Deep State and entire media have been trying to derail him. If such had been done to Obama, he would have just given up. He's the sort of wuss who seems strong only with wind on his back. Trump had to weather the storm. True, Trump is a shady character, but no ordinary man could have done what he did.

    You don't know what dignity is because you're too much of cucky wuck.

    Awesome!

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  124. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    Even as my husband is white and our son is light-skinned brown
     
    I didn’t read all the ranting carefully, but since she is half-white, does this mean her son is 3/4-white and is complaining about the animal shelter fundraiser being too white?

    If whiteness = evil, then she is half-evil, and her son is 3/4-evil. I’m zero percent white genetically, so does that mean I should outrank her in non-evilness in the SJW goodness meter?

    Or is being Asian “lily white” (as one criticism leveled against law schools and the Silicon Valley alleged) and it still makes me a subhuman in the eyes of these virtuous people?

    They don’t concern themselves with Asians, except when they need some quick cash and the only functioning business remaining in the ‘hood is run by….Asians.

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  125. @Thomm
    Except the 'Alt-Right', like Nazi Germany, was left-wing.

    'Alt-Right' is really Paleo-Left.

    Except the ‘Alt-Right’, like Nazi Germany, was left-wing.‘ Alt-Right’ is really Paleo-Left.

    Well, you are correct that the Nazis were left-wing. And if I use AndrewR as Hercules foot, I would have to agree. But I am unsure about a consensus definition of Alt-Right. Without the same, your assertions are nothing more than speculation.

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    Well, you are correct that the Nazis were left-wing.
     
    No, he isn't. That notion is ridiculous, ahistorical nonsense.
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  126. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    I am always cognizant of the extreme whiteness of Warner (97.9 percent white according to the 2010 U.S. Census Bureau — it felt even whiter growing up) and its neighboring towns whenever I go back to visit, although for some reason this time I felt not simply aware of it, but nearly assaulted by it. …

     

    When I think of Warner I think of Mt. Kearsarge. Hiking up mountains is a White activity.

    There is a golf course at the base of Mt. Kearsarge. Golfing is a White activity. There is not much sun in Scotland I hear, the people in Scotland who started golfing are White, White, White.

    There is also a buffalo ranch near Warner, or in it.

    White people sing:

    "Oh give me a home where the buffalo roam...

    And the skies are not cloudy all day."

    The cloudy bit takes us back to Scotland and golf. It's so cloudy in Scotland the people are White as all hell.

    Warner is in close proximity to Interstate 89; 89 takes you close to Hanover, but not too close to ruin the joint!

    Hanover hosts Dartmouth; Dartmouth was started by Whites; Dartmouth is WHITE.

    Warner is close to a little town that has a nice restaurant. I would recommend the Mt. Kearsarger Burger. I bet a White guy invented the cheeseburger.

    Rebecca Carroll should hike up Mt. Kearsarge and thank God she lives in America instead of the Congo.

    Dartmouth is WHITE

    Ha! This is Library!

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  127. @Peterike
    “For some reason only non-Fellow White People Whites adopt babies of other races.

    I’ve never seen Asians, blacks or Fellow White People do it.”

    I knew a Vietnamese American woman — totally Americanized SWPL — and her husband, a white hipster soy boy. They adopted a black boy from Africa. He was about 8 years old and a source of endless, chaotic misery for them, in constant trouble at school as well. God knows what’ll happen when he hits puberty.

    They adopted a black boy from Africa. He was about 8 years old

    That’s the problem right there. There’s a reason why adoptive parents prefer to take on children aged 2 and under.

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  128. @Anon
    She and her husband have raised their 75% white son to think of himself only as black. I wonder how that will go for him if he ever tries to live in a place with a predominantly black population.

    They are raising him to be blaque. Paradoxically, blackness has higher value in a sea of white. For blacks, it means a 'struggle' to remain authentic and overcoming the temptation to be a 'tom'. And for self-loathing-righteous whites, the presence of a black person in their midst means they are for 'diversity' and 'inclusion'.

    A black among blacks has no value. He or she's just dime-a-dozen. But a black among whites has iconic and talismanic value, esp if the black person plays it right. Obama played it right cuz he read white social psychology. He presented his blackness as a higher grade, one that might be pleasing to whites who sympathize with blackness but fear too-many-blacks.

    In this kind of white milieu, being 'blaque' is a great advantage. It certainly was for Carroll. It is Fancy Black. It's like the white family in GET OUT(which I haven't seen) prizes blaque-ness.

    A goose among geese is just another goose.
    But a goose in a world where geese are relatively rare is a special creature indeed. So, why give up on the goose-ness?

    Sailer wrote of Plaques for Blacks. But blacks too can be plaques or blaques.

    She and her husband have raised their 75% white son to think of himself only as black.

    That will come in handy in the soul-searching essay in his college application to Harvard. He has a MacArthur grant grandfather—why, he’s practically a shoo-in if he hits the right notes. Mom could help him write the essay, since she’s so practised in the art of self-discovery essays, which is what admissions officers love.

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    Some of these white guys are crazy. I mean what kind of a sane person would marry such a woman?

    And DeBlasio. I mean... Sheesh.

    Maybe it's like that song, "If you happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your life, it's my personal point of view, get an ugly girl to marry you."

    Jeb Bush and the chiquita. WTF.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NF5XU-k2Vk

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  129. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anonitron1
    This strikes me as intensely weird, from any perspective.

    I've been the white dude in predominately black places and the white dude-friend of black people in predominately white places. In the former case, it's a little weird being the interloper but, as usual, people are perfectly welcoming, so long as you've been invited. In the latter, people have complained about bad food, usually in jest, or about other guests being somewhat less friendly than they're accustomed to (reasonable when someone is visiting from, say, South Carolina to New England), but I've never heard anyone complain that the majority of people in a given place belong to an ethnic group that, you know, lives there.

    Then you’ve never seen the phrase “white af” which is now applied to any place or time where there are too many whites. Too many is defined as ‘a majority’ now, and will before long be defined as ‘any at all’.

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  130. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    I hoped that Obama might solve the Israeli Palestinian problem which I think was the underlying cause of all of the wars in the Middle East in which we have been involved.
     
    You think that Obama could have solved a 3500 year-old blood feud? Obama is an imbecile, but even if he were the single best person of the face of the planet he would fail there. No one person can solve that problem. One of the two groups must either die out, or be assimilated into another group so completely that they do not care.

    Neither 1917 nor 1948 was 3500 years ago.

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  131. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Redman
    Totally agree with this.

    Reminds me of a cab ride I had in NY right after the 3rd Trump/HRC debate. Twenty-something Black male cabby asked me what I thought of the debate. My initial reaction was to try to avoid the topic. I’d had too many bad experiences telling people I liked Trump.

    To my surprise, the cabby proceeded to discuss how much he liked Trump and couldn’t understand the black community’s support of HRC.

    Trump appeals more to black men than people realize. Or they’re willing to be open about. Trump’s support of Tyson during his rape trial was something that always made a big impression on me. He may have had an economic interest, but at the time, I recall sensing that Trump actually cared about Tyson and how he’d been screwed. I wonder is some/many black men sense that about him too.

    I’m surprised you had a black American cabbie.

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  132. @Twinkie
    Oh I got it all right. Did you get mine?

    Wikipedia says D’Souza was briefly a near-polygamist—was that your reference?

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    He got fired from his last day job for bringing his “fiancé” and staying in the same room with her on his employer’s dime... while still married to his wife.
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  133. The titles of Rebecca Carroll’s articles are way more fun than the articles themselves.

    “I don’t act like an ‘angry black woman’ – but I’m read that way if I broach race”
    “I Am Black. Rachel Dolezal Is Not”
    “Black Men Who Matter: Malcolm, My Birthfather and Trayvon”
    “I drink because I like the way it feels. That doesn’t mean I have a problem”
    “I love my white family, but there’s an elegant joy in a room full of black faces”
    “Facing my fear: hearing myself echo my birthmother’s judgmental outlook”
    (Her birth mother is white)

    Her actual mother is white. Her adoptive parents are white. Her husband is white. But she’s all blackety-black-black-black, to use John Derbyshire’s handy descriptor.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/series/rebecca-carroll-column

    http://www.rebeccasimonecarroll.com/essays/

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    Her actual mother is white. Her adoptive parents are white. Her husband is white. But she’s all blackety-black-black-black, to use John Derbyshire’s handy descriptor.
     
    She even has a hu-white name … she’s an actual - yunno - Becky.
    , @Curle
    “ faces that looked at me with expressions of wariness, dismissal and prejudice. ”

    I remember quite distinctly feeling embarrassed on the beach at Nice watching an American making a fool of himself staring at the topless women oblivious to the social customs of the place. I was embarrassed because he was one of my tribe, and though I didn’t appreciate the condescending stare HE received from the Euros, I grasped the source of their condescension. Is it really so difficult for Ms. Carroll to have a similar revelation regarding her half-Tribe?
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  134. Old fogey says:
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    I agree that Obama is not trash, but that should be a pretty low bar for anybody to clear no matter the hue of his complexion. Yet I disagree that he was remarkably disciplined. On the contrary he coasted from Choom Gang to Occidental and then on through the Ivy League he continued to coast as the First Black President of the Harvard Law Review. Then he coasted as a professional community organizer and an undistinguished career teaching law at University of Chicago. Certainly disciplined enough get by as good enough, but he never showed a burning energy and serious passion. Perhaps the world ruined him by spoiling him when it was always too eager to see Obama as a magical amulet talisman filled with some mysterious "eldritch energies" instead of demanding more from him to develop his potential?

    Obama is a tragic example of wasted potential. He might have been the last leader who had a real opportunity to unite and heal the nation's rifts, had he had the courage to stand up to the destructive demagoguery coming from factions aligned with his side? Instead he wasted a wide mandate that gave him wide legitimacy from all parts of the nation and across all segments of the population. Instead of governing with energy, courage and principle, he failed to find his own backbone and let those from his own base destroy that wide mandate. The opportunity he wasted was much rarer than once in a generation... Perhaps those more conversant in American history than I can suggest a parallel from before when weak leadership meant a missed opportunity to make difficult maneuvers that might have avoided the Civil War.

    He would have been a great president if after the election he had called for ending all affirmative action programs. How much evidence do blacks need that whites are willing to deal with blacks on a level playing field?

    Actually, the more we hear from blacks speaking honestly about their problems with whites, the less appealing they seem. Don’t they recognize this?

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    Maybe we should formalize and propagate this as a named law, seeing so many people ask about it:
    Black grievance is not about the just redress of a current or historical issue. Black grievance is the atavistic survival of African inter-tribal diplomacy.
    They're seeing what they can get, not arguing in good faith. No sooner do we look them in the eye, tell them to shut up and get out, and go back to our own business, then the terrible weighty historical greivance will miraculously lift from their shoulders.
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  135. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Old fogey
    He would have been a great president if after the election he had called for ending all affirmative action programs. How much evidence do blacks need that whites are willing to deal with blacks on a level playing field?

    Actually, the more we hear from blacks speaking honestly about their problems with whites, the less appealing they seem. Don't they recognize this?

    Maybe we should formalize and propagate this as a named law, seeing so many people ask about it:
    Black grievance is not about the just redress of a current or historical issue. Black grievance is the atavistic survival of African inter-tribal diplomacy.
    They’re seeing what they can get, not arguing in good faith. No sooner do we look them in the eye, tell them to shut up and get out, and go back to our own business, then the terrible weighty historical greivance will miraculously lift from their shoulders.

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    Black grievance is the atavistic survival of African inter-tribal diplomacy.
    They’re seeing what they can get, not arguing in good faith.
     
    A long time ago I read the advice in a 19th Century travel book of an old Africa hand: never debate with Africans who will entrap you in a web of surreal logic, myth and fantastic confusion.

    Can’t remember the name of the book.

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  136. Old fogey says:
    @bored identity
    'It's not just about hiring'

    https://i.cbc.ca/1.2926113.1421866866!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_940/newsroom-diversity-620.jpg

    newsroom-diversity-620.jpg (JPEG Image, 940 × 529 pixels) - Scaled (87%)

    This woman has got to be the dimmest “journalist” on the planet. She is completely non-self aware. How does she keep her job?

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    She is completely non-self aware. How does she keep her job?
     
    By being completely non self aware.
    , @Bob Smith of Suburbia
    Who would ever dare fire her?
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  137. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @PiltdownMan

    She and her husband have raised their 75% white son to think of himself only as black.
     
    That will come in handy in the soul-searching essay in his college application to Harvard. He has a MacArthur grant grandfather—why, he's practically a shoo-in if he hits the right notes. Mom could help him write the essay, since she's so practised in the art of self-discovery essays, which is what admissions officers love.

    Some of these white guys are crazy. I mean what kind of a sane person would marry such a woman?

    And DeBlasio. I mean… Sheesh.

    Maybe it’s like that song, “If you happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your life, it’s my personal point of view, get an ugly girl to marry you.”

    Jeb Bush and the chiquita. WTF.

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  138. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @22pp22
    Feminists were silent over Rotherham. They should be silent now.

    White left wing Liberals being hanged from a gallows they built for us. Who cares?

    Feminists were silent over Rotherham. They should be silent now.

    Why don’t they say anything about Rap and Porn?

    Rappers were pressured not to say ‘fa**ot’, but it’s okay for them to use ‘biatch’, ‘ho’, ‘skank’, etc.

    And doesn’t porn ‘objectify’ women?

    But then, feminists would have to address black pathology and Jewish involvement.

    So, shhhhh.

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  139. @Jack D
    Unfortunately, this is not true. There is a whole little group in Korea of America adoptees who have gone back home because they felt as if they were stolen from their family and culture by their white adoptive parents, whom they often want nothing to do with.

    A certain % of adopted children are deeply unhappy people (and often, like this woman, they try to make everyone around them as miserable as they are). Maybe they would have been miserable people even if they were never adopted, but adoption can also badly mess with your head, especially if it does not occur at a very young age. Kids can develop issues with bonding and trust that can never be overcome, no matter how well treated they are by their adoptive parents. Racial differences only make this worse.

    There are certainly many happy stories of adoptions that turn out well for everyone, but a certain % go bad - instead of the kid being grateful, etc. as you might expect, they are deeply bitter and resentful instead.

    A certain % of adopted children are deeply unhappy people (and often, like this woman, they try to make everyone around them as miserable as they are). Maybe they would have been miserable people even if they were never adopted, but adoption can also badly mess with your head, especially if it does not occur at a very young age.

    That can’t be this woman’s (i.e. the person in the article) excuse, since she was adopted under age 2. What a disaster for the adoptive parents. But it’s the kind of thing that happens, whatever the race of the kid. Unhappy people will find reasons to stay unhappy, and make the people around them miserable. I know of one couple who adopted a daughter as an infant, and never let on that she was adopted. It wasn’t an interracial adoption, either. She left after college and never contacted them again. The kicker is that she was this couple’s only child.

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    The critical age is much less than 2. Not telling the kid that she is adopted is not a good idea. Big shock when they find out.
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  140. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Barnard
    It would be beneficial for every white couple considering adopting a non white child to read her piece. I don't know how common a reaction this is from adopted children, but considering the propaganda disseminated through public education and the proliferation of writing like this online, the likelihood of that child growing up to, at best, resent her parents has to be increasing significantly.

    All children resent their parents, but if there are interracial or adoption issues involved this goes into overdrive.

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    All children resent their parents

     

    Freudian nonsense, designed specifically to create resentment and weaken families. Freud was the cultural equivalent to someone throwing acid in your face.
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  141. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    Even as my husband is white and our son is light-skinned brown
     
    I didn’t read all the ranting carefully, but since she is half-white, does this mean her son is 3/4-white and is complaining about the animal shelter fundraiser being too white?

    If whiteness = evil, then she is half-evil, and her son is 3/4-evil. I’m zero percent white genetically, so does that mean I should outrank her in non-evilness in the SJW goodness meter?

    Or is being Asian “lily white” (as one criticism leveled against law schools and the Silicon Valley alleged) and it still makes me a subhuman in the eyes of these virtuous people?

    Of course she has to boast about snagging a white guy. This woman is a parody.

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  142. 5371 says:

    Burn (or adopt) the coal, pay the toll.

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  143. anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Twinkie

    Actually, in my experience, adopted children are quite frequently a nightmare regardless of their race... but most come from rough stock
     
    This is usually true of lower class white, Hispanic, and black parents who abandon their children, but there is a different dynamic with East Asian adoptees, especially from East Asia. They are also coming from peoples with mean IQ of 105 or so, and even their “rough stock” is not all that bad (just like East Asians of lower socio-economic backgrounds commit far lower rates of crime than average non-Asians).

    I know several Asian adoptees. All are professionals, married to whites, and are basically whites in all but outward appearance.

    Here’s another data point:

    Keith Weaver gets 35-70 years for slaying of his parents, sister

    Date: 1993-06-23
    Intelligencer Journal (Lancaster, PA)
    Intelligencer Journal staff report

    Sixteen-year-old Keith Chul Weaver, who told the Lancaster County Court he did not know what happened to him when he killed his father, mother and sister and attempted to rape a fourth person in February 1991, was sentenced Tuesday morning to a maximum of 35 to 70 years in prison.

    In sentencing Weaver to the State Correctional Institution at Camp Hill on three counts of third degree murder and one of attempted rape, President Judge D. Richard Eckman said it was important to fashion a sentence to protect the community and society now and in the future.

    He said, “The rehabilitation of the defendant is and must be secondary.”

    Eckman noted that that large unanswered question remains, “Will it happen again?” He said he believed “the defendant is definitely a risk …”

    The Korean-born teen-ager, who was 14 at the time of the offenses, said in a statement prior to sentencing he didn’t know what happened _ “I wish I knew why.” He added that he didn’t know if it would happen again …”Does anyone know the future?”

    Weaver told the court, “I realize what I have done I cannot take back. Whatever my sentence will be will never justify what happened. It is hard to understand what happened … what I’ve done I have to accept …”

    The pathological altruism on display is strong.

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    That’s like finding an East Asian rapist and claiming that they commit many rapes. You are always going to be able to find sensationalist man-bites-dog stories to “prove” whatever narrative you want.

    Instead, try an actual survey of studies on the topic: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2915782/#!po=2.38095

    Some relevant quotes:

    These investigations suggest at least three patterns of racial and ethnic adjustment and well-being. The first group of adopted individuals does not develop a strong interest in their ethnic culture or their racial background. These adoptees instead may identify more with their national identity, such as being American or Canadian (e.g., Westhues & Cohen, 1998). The second group of adopted individuals expresses some confusion and discomfort about the role of ethnicity and race in their lives, wishes they were White or not Asian, and may even self-identify as White (e.g., Cederblad, Hook, Irhammar, & Mercke, 1999). The last group of adopted individuals self-identifies as a member of their racial or ethnic group, is comfortable with and proud of their racial and ethnic heritage, and engages in ethnic and racial identity exploration (e.g., Lee, Yoo, & Roberts, 2004).
     

    Other researchers have noted that some adopted Korean American adults identified more strongly as White/Caucasian than as Korean or Asian (Freundlich, & Lieberthal, 2000; Westhues & Cohen, 1998).
     

    Consistent with this viewpoint, Kim et al. (2004) found in a qualitative study that Korean international students associated being Korean with cultural characteristics, non-adopted Korean Americans associated being Korean with ethnic and racial features, and adopted Korean Americans associated being Korean with racial phenotype.
     
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  144. anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @PiltdownMan
    The titles of Rebecca Carroll's articles are way more fun than the articles themselves.

    "I don't act like an 'angry black woman' – but I'm read that way if I broach race"
    "I Am Black. Rachel Dolezal Is Not"
    "Black Men Who Matter: Malcolm, My Birthfather and Trayvon"
    "I drink because I like the way it feels. That doesn't mean I have a problem"
    "I love my white family, but there's an elegant joy in a room full of black faces"
    "Facing my fear: hearing myself echo my birthmother's judgmental outlook"
    (Her birth mother is white)

    Her actual mother is white. Her adoptive parents are white. Her husband is white. But she's all blackety-black-black-black, to use John Derbyshire's handy descriptor.


    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/series/rebecca-carroll-column
    http://www.rebeccasimonecarroll.com/essays/

    Her actual mother is white. Her adoptive parents are white. Her husband is white. But she’s all blackety-black-black-black, to use John Derbyshire’s handy descriptor.

    She even has a hu-white name … she’s an actual – yunno – Becky.

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  145. anonguy says:
    @gp
    "he said to me, in front of the staff, ‘If it feels like a slave plantation mentality here, that’s because it is,’"

    Sounds exactly like what an old-boomer liberal would say to try to "rap" with new black associates. We've heard it from lots of old dems: Hillary in 2006, Biden in 2012.

    "Wow, this white supremacy is thick around here, amirite? Don't worry sister: I'm hip to your struggle."

    “he said to me, in front of the staff, ‘If it feels like a slave plantation mentality here, that’s because it is,’”

    Sounds exactly like what an old-boomer liberal would say to try to “rap” with new black associates. We’ve heard it from lots of old dems: Hillary in 2006, Biden in 2012.

    “Wow, this white supremacy is thick around here, amirite? Don’t worry sister: I’m hip to your struggle.”

    I don’t see any reason to ever use plantation metaphors for any reason around black (or white or any other race, for that matter) employees

    I agree, sounds like some hideously white, aging baby boomer trying to show he is down with the bloods or something.

    Maybe he should have stuck with backrubs.

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  146. anon • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Charles Pewitt

    I am always cognizant of the extreme whiteness of Warner (97.9 percent white according to the 2010 U.S. Census Bureau — it felt even whiter growing up) and its neighboring towns whenever I go back to visit, although for some reason this time I felt not simply aware of it, but nearly assaulted by it. …

     

    When I think of Warner I think of Mt. Kearsarge. Hiking up mountains is a White activity.

    There is a golf course at the base of Mt. Kearsarge. Golfing is a White activity. There is not much sun in Scotland I hear, the people in Scotland who started golfing are White, White, White.

    There is also a buffalo ranch near Warner, or in it.

    White people sing:

    "Oh give me a home where the buffalo roam...

    And the skies are not cloudy all day."

    The cloudy bit takes us back to Scotland and golf. It's so cloudy in Scotland the people are White as all hell.

    Warner is in close proximity to Interstate 89; 89 takes you close to Hanover, but not too close to ruin the joint!

    Hanover hosts Dartmouth; Dartmouth was started by Whites; Dartmouth is WHITE.

    Warner is close to a little town that has a nice restaurant. I would recommend the Mt. Kearsarger Burger. I bet a White guy invented the cheeseburger.

    Rebecca Carroll should hike up Mt. Kearsarge and thank God she lives in America instead of the Congo.

    I bet a White guy invented the cheeseburger.

    No, you must be a racist! George Washington Carver invented the cheeseburger as a way of feeding the Tuskegee Airmen — they could fly with one hand and eat lunch with the other. The USAAF official history notes that these proud black airmen did not lose a single “belly bomber” in the ETO.

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  147. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Totem Pole – ‘In Theory and Practice’.

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    LOL

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  149. Twinkie says:
    @3g4me
    @29 Twinkie: "Adopted Asian children usually don’t create this kind of drama. Some may go through the “seeking birth mother/birth culture” phase, but most return and are grateful to their white parents."

    You're woefully misinformed or perhaps choose to see only the positive in those of your own race. There are entire websites filled with Asians adopted by Whites (a large percent of them Korean, merely because the Korean war was when Americans first adopted large numbers of Asian children) ranting about how unpersoned and unhappy they were being raised in a White environment. Far from being grateful to their adoptive parents, they almost uniformly condemn them as, at best, well meaning and condescending.

    A substantial cohort returned to Korea, sought out blood relatives, and demurely accepted scathing criticism of the adoptee for being insufficiently Asian in habit, custom, demeanor, and language. Then, neither fish nor fowl, they settled in to live in Korea as a Korean-Americans among other adopted Korean Americans. I've read similar rants by Chinese adopted and raised by American Jews. There are hapa websites where the men almost categorically reject their White fathers as colonial oppressors and their Asian mothers as whores.

    You may continue to claim your own mixed progeny is perfectly well adapted and blended, but overall experience and statistics would prove you wrong. Interracial marriage and interracial adoption joins that which both God and biology separated, and the results are not particularly pretty - either aesthetically or psychologically.

    statistics would prove you wrong

    Show me.

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    @150 Twinkie: "Show me."

    1. Anything I would link to you would immediately disqualify as being non-representative, or suspect for one reason or another. A pattern distinct to you, various other commenters here, a particular British grad school professor I recall, and the hubristic in general.

    2. The social sciences are a highly corrupt field filled with SJWs and the disciples of Franz Boas and his misbegotten ilk. There are studies that attempt to limit personal opinion and emotion and rely on data rather than self-justification and/or reporting, but then see reason #1.

    3. Your comments, over the months and years I've seen them, strongly imply your tremendous pride in your Han race and its putative intellectual and civilizational superiority. Combine with your churchianity and equal pride in your bride being a White woman with a long American pedigree, and it's fairly clear you regard your own progeny as superior specimens, particularly in comparison with mere mixed-European Whites.

    I love my own children, but prefer to see them as they are, not as I might prefer them to be, and I don't try to project my personal aspirations when attempting to predict how others of their race or society as a whole will regard them. Despite all your hauteur, your children's future affiliation will be, in large part, decided by who chooses to claim them as their own, not who they (far less you) think they ought to be part of. While they may look and be highly White in your eyes (just as John Derbyshire proclaimed his own children to be, whereas fwiw his daughter, in particular, looked wholly Asian to me and already allied herself with the various-hued SJWs in her support for Obama) they may not be so in others' and ultimately it's the others who will decide what racial mixture they are and where their allegiances lie.
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  150. Mr. Anon says:
    @Thomm
    Except the 'Alt-Right', like Nazi Germany, was left-wing.

    'Alt-Right' is really Paleo-Left.

    Except the ‘Alt-Right’, like Nazi Germany, was left-wing.

    Complete rubbish. You are historically illiterate. But then – as you have shown time and again here – there are many things about which you are ill-informed.

    Are you black? You seem to have an IQ of about the black mean.

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  151. Mr. Anon says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    Except the ‘Alt-Right’, like Nazi Germany, was left-wing.‘ Alt-Right’ is really Paleo-Left.
     
    Well, you are correct that the Nazis were left-wing. And if I use AndrewR as Hercules foot, I would have to agree. But I am unsure about a consensus definition of Alt-Right. Without the same, your assertions are nothing more than speculation.

    Well, you are correct that the Nazis were left-wing.

    No, he isn’t. That notion is ridiculous, ahistorical nonsense.

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    No, he isn’t. That notion is ridiculous, ahistorical nonsense.
     
    The Nazis were National Socialists, and socialism is the heart of all Leftist schemes. (You don't really think their choice of red was accidental, do you?) Attempts, such as yours, to place them on the right is anachronistic, at best. The Left end of the spectrum is totalitarian tyranny, the Right is anarchy. Your formulation is why we see confused posters using oxymorons as handles (Leftist Conservative, Left Libertarian), and why they pretend their version of socialism will turn out well. Lord Acton knew better.

    Mislabelling something as important as the political spectrum impairs clear reasoning. You are accepting a leftist definition that makes fighting the Left much more difficult than it should be.
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  152. Twinkie says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Wikipedia says D’Souza was briefly a near-polygamist—was that your reference?

    He got fired from his last day job for bringing his “fiancé” and staying in the same room with her on his employer’s dime… while still married to his wife.

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    Well then. I am shocked, I say shocked that a man who sports a perennial impish grin would pull such shenanigans! :)
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  153. Curle says:
    @PiltdownMan
    The titles of Rebecca Carroll's articles are way more fun than the articles themselves.

    "I don't act like an 'angry black woman' – but I'm read that way if I broach race"
    "I Am Black. Rachel Dolezal Is Not"
    "Black Men Who Matter: Malcolm, My Birthfather and Trayvon"
    "I drink because I like the way it feels. That doesn't mean I have a problem"
    "I love my white family, but there's an elegant joy in a room full of black faces"
    "Facing my fear: hearing myself echo my birthmother's judgmental outlook"
    (Her birth mother is white)

    Her actual mother is white. Her adoptive parents are white. Her husband is white. But she's all blackety-black-black-black, to use John Derbyshire's handy descriptor.


    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/series/rebecca-carroll-column
    http://www.rebeccasimonecarroll.com/essays/

    “ faces that looked at me with expressions of wariness, dismissal and prejudice. ”

    I remember quite distinctly feeling embarrassed on the beach at Nice watching an American making a fool of himself staring at the topless women oblivious to the social customs of the place. I was embarrassed because he was one of my tribe, and though I didn’t appreciate the condescending stare HE received from the Euros, I grasped the source of their condescension. Is it really so difficult for Ms. Carroll to have a similar revelation regarding her half-Tribe?

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  154. eah says:
    @eah
    the murder of Trayvon Martin

    Und das noch.

    Actually it's kind of über weird and maybe just plain creepy the way some black women sort of more or less take you know civilization for granted -- like a dumb donkey she brays about Whites and 'whiteness', seemingly oblivious to the fact she owes the comfortable circumstances she sees and experiences around her to the efforts of Whites across generations.

    In contrast: Baltimore MD.

    https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/471377974_master.jpg
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  155. snorlax says:
    @Robert Hume
    I hoped that Obama might solve the Israeli Palestinian problem which I think was the underlying cause of all of the wars in the Middle East in which we have been involved.

    He certainly failed to solve the problem. I wonder if anyone can.

    The Middle East has been in a continuous state of war for the last 5000 years. The underlying cause is genetic, maybe secondarily geography or climate.

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    Totally, continuous for the last 5 thousand years! It's not like there's been a serious uptick the last 15 years or so that would seem to be the result of certain entities meddling or anything...
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  156. Twinkie says:
    @anonymous
    Here’s another data point:

    Keith Weaver gets 35-70 years for slaying of his parents, sister

    Date: 1993-06-23
    Intelligencer Journal (Lancaster, PA)
    Intelligencer Journal staff report

    Sixteen-year-old Keith Chul Weaver, who told the Lancaster County Court he did not know what happened to him when he killed his father, mother and sister and attempted to rape a fourth person in February 1991, was sentenced Tuesday morning to a maximum of 35 to 70 years in prison.

    In sentencing Weaver to the State Correctional Institution at Camp Hill on three counts of third degree murder and one of attempted rape, President Judge D. Richard Eckman said it was important to fashion a sentence to protect the community and society now and in the future.

    He said, "The rehabilitation of the defendant is and must be secondary."

    Eckman noted that that large unanswered question remains, "Will it happen again?" He said he believed "the defendant is definitely a risk ..."

    The Korean-born teen-ager, who was 14 at the time of the offenses, said in a statement prior to sentencing he didn't know what happened _ "I wish I knew why." He added that he didn't know if it would happen again ..."Does anyone know the future?"

    Weaver told the court, "I realize what I have done I cannot take back. Whatever my sentence will be will never justify what happened. It is hard to understand what happened ... what I've done I have to accept ..."



    He added that he had learned a lot of things in his life ... "I realized about love, family and friends."

    Weaver said he knows that he has got to be the best he can. "I realize if have to be in jail for the rest of my life, nobody can take away from me the chance to be the best I can be."

    Many family and friends who had gathered in courtroom for the sentencing, were dismayed by the lengthy sentence. They had hoped that he could be rehabilitated and then released from prison to lead a productive life.

    "It's a long time," said Hershey Leaman, head of a small group of church members that monitored the legal proceedings and reported back to the Weaver family.

    He said the sentencing clearly was not what the family and church members wanted. "We hoped it would be a place with more options for help."

    Weaver's brother, Steven, fought back tears after the sentencing but declined to comment. His sister, Deborah, was not at the sentencing.

    Barbara Ann Horst, an aunt of the Weaver children, said, "I think we all love Keith and we hate to see him in prison for so long."


    The youth himself wiped his eyes as he was taken from the courtroom by deputy sheriffs.

    Later, his attorney, J. Richard Gray said that Weaver "was very upset and distraught."

    Assistant District Attorney Heidi Carter, however, said the Commonwealth was "very happy with the sentence."

    She said it sends "a strong message to juveniles who commit homicide that age is not going to be the deciding factor when it comes to a just sentence."

    Gray plans to appeal the sentence to a higher court.

    In imposing sentence, Eckman recommended psychiatric and psychological counseling for Weaver, "whatever educational facilities are available ... and any other consideration be given because of his age of 16."

    Weaver, who was adopted by the Weaver family when he was four and a half, fatally stabbed his parents, Dr. R. Clair and Anna May Weaver, and his 15-year-old sister, Kimberly. He then sexually assaulted a teen-aged girl who was visiting his home outside Landisville.

    In March of 1992, he was convicted of three counts of third degree murder and one count each of attempted rape, indecent assault and simple assault.

    During the trial, a psychologist testified that Weaver had suffered from abuse and neglect before his adoption. He said the teen-ager heard voices who urged him to kill his family.

    Eckman sentenced Weaver to consecutive terms of 10 to 20 years on each murder and consecutive five to 10 years on the attempted rape. The indecent assault and simple assault merged with the attempted rape. Weaver is to pay costs but no fine.

    He noted that the events of the night of Feb. 17, 1991 "were a tragedy of immense magnitude ... half of a family died, all contributing, respected members of the community." He said it was also a tragedy for the defendant who has been described as bright and as popular with his classmates.

    Prior to sentencing, Dr. David A. Rogers, a licensed psychologist with Pennsylvania Psychological Services, Harrisburg, described Weaver as suffering from post traumatic stress disorder, similar to Vietnam veterans.

    He said it was his impression that Weaver, was in a "disassociated state" at the time of the killings as if he were watching the action.

    Upon being questioned specifically on the chances of Weaver committing a similar act again, Rogers said there is some element of risk. Something could happen. The percentage is not that great, but it is always there.

    Pressed, he admitted that he couldn't say it would not happen again, given the right circumstances.

    Rogers has been seeing Weaver every other week since May 1991. Prior to that for six or eight weeks, he saw Weaver on a weekly basis.

    Gray, speaking before sentencing an seeking mercy, noted, "never has the defense attempted to deny or minimize these acts ... Keith still does not understand what motivated him."

    He said Weaver didn't do it for gain or for spite. "There is no easy answer ... forces controlled him rather than he controlling himself.

    Gray asked what the Weavers would want done with their son. "They constantly believed in discipline, but tempered it with love and mercy. They never gave up on him."

    Ms. Carter said that the real tragedy was that "he never knew about love, family and friends until he killed two parents and a sister."

    She told the court this is "a vile and vicious act ... the day of reckoning for Keith Weaver and has come and we Still don't have a reason...Clair and Anna May and Kim Weaver would ask for justice today."

    In addressing the court, Weaver turned near the conclusion of his words, faced the the friends and family in the courtroom and told them, "With me I deserve to go through this but my family and friends do not ... I really appreciate everything you've done for me. All I can say is thank you and I love you all."
     
    The pathological altruism on display is strong.

    That’s like finding an East Asian rapist and claiming that they commit many rapes. You are always going to be able to find sensationalist man-bites-dog stories to “prove” whatever narrative you want.

    Instead, try an actual survey of studies on the topic: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2915782/#!po=2.38095

    Some relevant quotes:

    These investigations suggest at least three patterns of racial and ethnic adjustment and well-being. The first group of adopted individuals does not develop a strong interest in their ethnic culture or their racial background. These adoptees instead may identify more with their national identity, such as being American or Canadian (e.g., Westhues & Cohen, 1998). The second group of adopted individuals expresses some confusion and discomfort about the role of ethnicity and race in their lives, wishes they were White or not Asian, and may even self-identify as White (e.g., Cederblad, Hook, Irhammar, & Mercke, 1999). The last group of adopted individuals self-identifies as a member of their racial or ethnic group, is comfortable with and proud of their racial and ethnic heritage, and engages in ethnic and racial identity exploration (e.g., Lee, Yoo, & Roberts, 2004).

    Other researchers have noted that some adopted Korean American adults identified more strongly as White/Caucasian than as Korean or Asian (Freundlich, & Lieberthal, 2000; Westhues & Cohen, 1998).

    Consistent with this viewpoint, Kim et al. (2004) found in a qualitative study that Korean international students associated being Korean with cultural characteristics, non-adopted Korean Americans associated being Korean with ethnic and racial features, and adopted Korean Americans associated being Korean with racial phenotype.

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    That’s like finding an East Asian rapist and claiming that they commit many rapes.
     
    I now see that I’m one of those morons who doesn’t know what “most” or “some” means. And my explicit claim that all East Asian adoptees are parent-killers is, I now see, terribly wrong. Sorry. :( But I can see where your claim that …

    I know several Asian adoptees. All are profesionals, married to whites, and are basically whites in all but outward appearance
     
    … is a model of nuanced reasoning. Forgive me. :) And thanks for taking the time to respond. It is truly humbling.
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  157. @Anon
    I disagree with Obama on many issues but he is not trash. The man is remarkably disciplined and has conducted himself with dignity in the office (even if he acted in interests of democratic party rather than the US). If Trump had 10% of the discipline & focus of Obama, the borders would have been closed by now.

    Well, well, it goes to show that cuckery is big even among people with alternative views. I guess staking one's worth by praising Negroes is too deeply ingrained in the American Psyche.

    Now, Obama is not trash in the sense of rappers and such. But we need judge a man by substance, not style. If ou look at his style, it too is cheap and trashy.

    First, what was Obama as a young man? A pothead and hedonist shitter. But okay, let's cut him some slack because young people act stupid. With affirmative action, he got into Harvard, and simply because he was a well-behaved black guy, they elevated him to Harvard Law Review status. What did he do? Nothing.



    After college, what did he achieve? Nothing. He hardly had any academic achievements. What did he accomplish as a politician? Again, zero. So, what was he doing all these years? He knew he could just coast on Jewish Power. He knew what the elites were looking for, and he created his Persona as The One, the Son that Oprah never had. So, all he did was practice before a mirror and shake the right hands and... wait.
    So, a total zero got all the accolades and support despite having no history of any achievement whatsoever. I find that pretty trashy. A cheap hustler just playing on white hopes based on 'white guilt'. It sure worked on you. How noble of you to praise a clean-cut black guy.
    Obama was just a hustler and thief. He got by on style. Granted, he was clever enough to play to the power to get the power. But he was never going to be anything more than the Puppet of those who paid and paved his way.

    Also, it's easy to look 'dignified' if all the media, academia, and Hollywood are fawning on you and giving you the Nobel prize for having done nothing. Imagine if the Media had decided to as tough on Obama as it was on Trump. Obama would have cried, sulked, and folded. He's shown time and again what a thin-skinned self-aggrandizing prick he is. But the media covered up for him, massaged him, and sucked him off. And Obama basked in Third Worldish cult of the Big Man. It was all so shameless and disgusting. But to you, that is 'dignified'. A hustler playing the role of messiah of hope. Gimme a break.
    Obama also cut in line. Say whatever you will about Hillary, but she paid her dues. She was right by Billy Boy and did her gig as Senator. 2008 was supposed to be her year. Cuz Obama was younger, he could have waited. But he just cut in line and destroyed Hillary's chances to be president forever. Where do you see dignity or integrity in that? I just see egomania.

    Also, his choice for wife shows he has no taste. Michelle is a gross woman. Disgusting, and Obama raised his girl to be trashy. Hardly better than Billy Boy and the Bushes that are just rich trash now.

    In the most superficial way, one might Obama is clean-cut and dignified. But it's all style, and it's not hard to do. It's what Will Smith does. Any black actor can play 'dignified' in certain movie roles. The magic negro shtick. And that's what Obama did. But that's just style. Let's look at substance. He totally paved the way for vile and gross homomania. He filled up Oval Office with degenerates off all kind. That is substance, and it was just disgusting. And who did he hang with? Rappers and egotistical celebrities. Some taste. And he spent more time playing golf since his job was mostly to obey his Jewish and Homo bosses.

    And Mr. post-racial decided to throw his brothas a bone and unleashed BLM that led to massive crime climb. Everyone of his interventions on race matters was ugly and vulgar and trashy. Like his siding with Henry Louis Gates against a cop who was only doing his job. His BS about Trayvon Martin. The mess in Ferguson, again vindicated by facts that the black guy was the thug. His elevated tone when speaking total nonsense makes his false dignity even more false. No better than a cheap televangelist.

    And in foreign policy? Obama, Mr. Dignity, destroyed Libya, aided terrorists in Syria, let Neocons hire Nazis to mess up Ukraine, and messed up relations with Russia over homo parades. Is that dignity?

    Now, keep in mind that Obama had the media and establishment supporting him all along. And even the GOP that won both houses hardly opposed Obo's globo agenda. And yet, his presidency has been one big clusterfuc*. In fact, it's worse than Bush's. At least moron Bush had 9/11 as excuse to mess up the world. Obama had no such excuse, but he did the bidding of his donors just the same, and he messed up the Middle East royally. And his destruction of Libya led to Afro-invasion of Europe. Yet, you say he was dignified. You cucky-wuck. Someone's gotta toughen you up. You're wasting the aprons on the wrong guy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQAwRpRe9F4

    Now, Trump has lots of problems too. And he is trashy in his own way. But he doesn't pretend to have the dignity he doesn't have. And that's good because US politics is about pimps and whores, and anyone who pretends to have dignity is either a liar or delusional idiot. I find Trump's vulgarity to be refreshing since America is such a cesspool of moral rot and degeneracy. A nation where sophisticated people's idea of morality is letting guys with wigs go wee wee in ladies room. And this goes for Conservatives too, these lowlife cowards who cower and pee their pants and act tough only against Palestinians, Iranians, and Russians cuz their donors tell them to.

    Also, suppose Trump had been given the media treatment that Obama got in 2008. He would won by a superduper landslide against Hillary. Trump won despite everything thrown at him. If he gotten a fair break from media, he would have won much more bigly.

    Also, suppose the media and deep state had been supportive of Trump in ways that they were with Obama. Trump would have gotten a lot done. Instead, his presidency has been under siege from day one, not least by the very people around him.
    From day one of his presidency, Deep State and entire media have been trying to derail him. If such had been done to Obama, he would have just given up. He's the sort of wuss who seems strong only with wind on his back. Trump had to weather the storm. True, Trump is a shady character, but no ordinary man could have done what he did.

    You don't know what dignity is because you're too much of cucky wuck.

    This is marvelous.

    Some elements approach mind-reading of me by you.

    Congratz to you Anon #x.
    . . .
    No Obama is not trash, silly to even say something like that he is exactly what Joe Biden said he is:

    “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” Biden said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”

    And that’s also all there was to him.

    . . .

    Obama was chosen because “he fit the suit” just like Greg Brady in the Johnny Bravo episode of Brady Bunch

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  158. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    I agree that Obama is not trash, but that should be a pretty low bar for anybody to clear no matter the hue of his complexion. Yet I disagree that he was remarkably disciplined. On the contrary he coasted from Choom Gang to Occidental and then on through the Ivy League he continued to coast as the First Black President of the Harvard Law Review. Then he coasted as a professional community organizer and an undistinguished career teaching law at University of Chicago. Certainly disciplined enough get by as good enough, but he never showed a burning energy and serious passion. Perhaps the world ruined him by spoiling him when it was always too eager to see Obama as a magical amulet talisman filled with some mysterious "eldritch energies" instead of demanding more from him to develop his potential?

    Obama is a tragic example of wasted potential. He might have been the last leader who had a real opportunity to unite and heal the nation's rifts, had he had the courage to stand up to the destructive demagoguery coming from factions aligned with his side? Instead he wasted a wide mandate that gave him wide legitimacy from all parts of the nation and across all segments of the population. Instead of governing with energy, courage and principle, he failed to find his own backbone and let those from his own base destroy that wide mandate. The opportunity he wasted was much rarer than once in a generation... Perhaps those more conversant in American history than I can suggest a parallel from before when weak leadership meant a missed opportunity to make difficult maneuvers that might have avoided the Civil War.

    My smarter brother once commented to me that our best Presidents were all people who ran against their interests / identities. Geo, Washington ran against the British aristocracy even though he was one. Abraham Lincoln free the slaves even though he never consider blacks his equals. Teddy Roosevelt was an industrialist and yet fought to preserve nature. Franklin Roosevelt was for the common man even though he as a patrician, etc. Obama identified with non-whites and he only advocated for them. No enemies on the left and no friends on the right. He might go down as a hero for blacks but for whites, he is just a tanned Millard Fillmore.

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    My smarter brother once commented to me that our best Presidents were all people who ran against their interests / identities. Geo, Washington ran against the British aristocracy even though he was one. Abraham Lincoln free the slaves even though he never consider blacks his equals. Teddy Roosevelt was an industrialist and yet fought to preserve nature. Franklin Roosevelt was for the common man even though he as a patrician, etc. Obama identified with non-whites and he only advocated for them. No enemies on the left and no friends on the right. He might go down as a hero for blacks but for whites, he is just a tanned Millard Fillmore.

    George Washington was part of the colonial gentry, not the British peerage. The Lincoln family was never implicated in plantation agriculture and owned no slaves. Theodore Roosevelt never worked in any industrial concern; the family money came from trade and finance, not industry. The closest BO's ever been to rank-and-file blacks is his mother-in-law. His wife is an appearance oriented bourgeois striver and his chums Valerie Jarrett and Eric Whittaker are out of the black patriciate. BO manifests the standard menu of attitudes you'd expect from a deputy dean of students at some place like Amherst.
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  159. neutral says:
    @eah
    OT

    Not hate.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRhQAgLX4AEki86.jpg

    I am surprised that Uncle Sam is still white, I don’t think it will be too long before he is changed.

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  160. @3g4me
    @29 Twinkie: "Adopted Asian children usually don’t create this kind of drama. Some may go through the “seeking birth mother/birth culture” phase, but most return and are grateful to their white parents."

    You're woefully misinformed or perhaps choose to see only the positive in those of your own race. There are entire websites filled with Asians adopted by Whites (a large percent of them Korean, merely because the Korean war was when Americans first adopted large numbers of Asian children) ranting about how unpersoned and unhappy they were being raised in a White environment. Far from being grateful to their adoptive parents, they almost uniformly condemn them as, at best, well meaning and condescending.

    A substantial cohort returned to Korea, sought out blood relatives, and demurely accepted scathing criticism of the adoptee for being insufficiently Asian in habit, custom, demeanor, and language. Then, neither fish nor fowl, they settled in to live in Korea as a Korean-Americans among other adopted Korean Americans. I've read similar rants by Chinese adopted and raised by American Jews. There are hapa websites where the men almost categorically reject their White fathers as colonial oppressors and their Asian mothers as whores.

    You may continue to claim your own mixed progeny is perfectly well adapted and blended, but overall experience and statistics would prove you wrong. Interracial marriage and interracial adoption joins that which both God and biology separated, and the results are not particularly pretty - either aesthetically or psychologically.

    “I’ve read similar rants by Chinese adopted and raised by American Jews.”

    Really? What were their complaints? I can guess at the top three:

    3. Mom and Dad didn’t make me do enough homework. (Well, not enough to get into Harvard, but I made in in at Penn.)
    2. Rental units had terrible taste in Chinese food. (Who, in this century, orders chow mein?)
    1. Jews invented guilt, but Chinese perfected shame. (To paraphrase Gordon Gekko, “Shame is good. Shame works.”)

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    "3g4me" doesn't seem to understand some basic statistical concepts such as selection bias (including his own). His evidence is that someone is whining on the Internet. He also seems to think that God separated the major continental races, without realizing that the major races are hybrids, with Europeans being amalgamations of at least four major waves of migrations into Europe (the last one being Siberian/Asian).

    It would do him no good to read actual studies, but I attach the following for the perusal of other people who understand basic statistical concepts and scientific methods: http://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/International-adoption-a-case-review-of-Korean-children..pdf

    Some quotes on "outcomes":

    In a study of 372 adoptive families by questionnaires, Feigelman & Silverman compared and contrasted the long-term adjustment of Columbian, Korean, and Afro-American transracial adoptees with those of in-racially adopted whites. They reported that 10% of 161 Korean children (two-thirds of them ranging from ages 7 and 12) received professional care for problems, which was less frequent than black or white adoptees. Fifty-eight percent of Korean children achieved above average school grades, which was a higher rate than for white (48%) and black (43%) adoptees. When Korean adoptees whose ages were 13 and over were compared with white adoptees, Korean adoptees functioned better in emotional, developmental, social, and academic areas but showed more discomfort about their appearance than white adolescent adoptees. [Boldfaces mine.]
     

    A ten-year follow-up study by Lydens & Snarey of 101 Korean-born adoptees examined self-concept and identity formation during adolescence (age 12 to 17) and young adulthood (age 22 to 27). They reported the development of a positive self-concept and positive social adjustment. As noted earlier, D. Kim also reported normal development of self-concept. While some of the adopted children were interested in their ethnic and adoptive identity, they often identified themselves as American rather than Korean-American or Korean. Feigelman & Silverman observed that 28% of Korean adolescents and young adults felt sometimes uncomfortable about their appearance, and some of them were even ashamed of their origin, although overall they adjusted well.

    Across the Atlantic, Kühl noted that all international adoptees including Korean adolescents identified with being German while about one third of them had some interest in their country of origin. Rorbech noted similar findings in a large sample of 18-to-25-year-old Asian adoptees including Koreans in Denmark. Almost all of these individuals identified themselves as being Danish. Yet one third felt different from others, and one quarter felt uncomfortable about their differences. Twnenty-seven percent were teased at school and 18% continued to be teased as adults. Two thirds did not show any attachment to their country of origin, and two thirds did not want information about their family of origin.[Boldfaces mine.]
     

    The overall impression is that Korean adoptees have done very well consistently, study after study, when surveying the literature spanning four decades and on both sides of the Atlantic. It confirms what Tizard summed up, "While the evidence is patchy and incomplete, it does suggest that in 75-80% of intercountry adoptions the children and adolescents function well, with no more behavioral and educational problems at home and at school than other children." Moreover, Korean children seem to be doing better than adoptees of other ethnic groups. Feigelman & Silverman stated, "We were surprised to find that the Korean adoptees were better adapted than white U.S.-born adoptees." Dr. Kim reported, "The adopted Korean children were similar to other American teenagers in many respects, and they were just as well or even better than others, although they seemed to have had some initial adjustment difficulties." [Boldface mine.]
     
    , @anonymous
    A philosopher once said:

    I know several Asian adoptees. All are profesionals, married to whites, and are basically whites in all but outward appearance.
     
    You can’t argue with facts.
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  161. anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Grateful Korean adoptee Nicky Sa-eun Schildkraut writes:

    I feel compelled to return to this giant chimera of adoption because it continues to haunt me. Equivalent to the giant elephant in the room, the chimera represents everything that is unspeakable and messy and ambivalent. Like many Korean adoptees, I grew up in a liberal, white family, in a predominantly white town, and came of age during the years of neoliberal multiculturalism in the 1980s to 1990s. I didn’t realize it then, but my discomfort as a hypervisible minority in my family was the direct result of being raised in a climate of colorblind attitudes when international adoption was part of a continuing trend of the white American savior complex. I was taught to believe race wasn’t important, when the real reason was that nobody knew how to discuss racism and micro aggressions, especially the social workers at adoption agencies.

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  162. anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Twinkie
    That’s like finding an East Asian rapist and claiming that they commit many rapes. You are always going to be able to find sensationalist man-bites-dog stories to “prove” whatever narrative you want.

    Instead, try an actual survey of studies on the topic: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2915782/#!po=2.38095

    Some relevant quotes:

    These investigations suggest at least three patterns of racial and ethnic adjustment and well-being. The first group of adopted individuals does not develop a strong interest in their ethnic culture or their racial background. These adoptees instead may identify more with their national identity, such as being American or Canadian (e.g., Westhues & Cohen, 1998). The second group of adopted individuals expresses some confusion and discomfort about the role of ethnicity and race in their lives, wishes they were White or not Asian, and may even self-identify as White (e.g., Cederblad, Hook, Irhammar, & Mercke, 1999). The last group of adopted individuals self-identifies as a member of their racial or ethnic group, is comfortable with and proud of their racial and ethnic heritage, and engages in ethnic and racial identity exploration (e.g., Lee, Yoo, & Roberts, 2004).
     

    Other researchers have noted that some adopted Korean American adults identified more strongly as White/Caucasian than as Korean or Asian (Freundlich, & Lieberthal, 2000; Westhues & Cohen, 1998).
     

    Consistent with this viewpoint, Kim et al. (2004) found in a qualitative study that Korean international students associated being Korean with cultural characteristics, non-adopted Korean Americans associated being Korean with ethnic and racial features, and adopted Korean Americans associated being Korean with racial phenotype.
     

    That’s like finding an East Asian rapist and claiming that they commit many rapes.

    I now see that I’m one of those morons who doesn’t know what “most” or “some” means. And my explicit claim that all East Asian adoptees are parent-killers is, I now see, terribly wrong. Sorry. :( But I can see where your claim that …

    I know several Asian adoptees. All are profesionals, married to whites, and are basically whites in all but outward appearance

    … is a model of nuanced reasoning. Forgive me. :) And thanks for taking the time to respond. It is truly humbling.

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  163. Twinkie says:
    @Gary in Gramercy
    "I’ve read similar rants by Chinese adopted and raised by American Jews."

    Really? What were their complaints? I can guess at the top three:

    3. Mom and Dad didn't make me do enough homework. (Well, not enough to get into Harvard, but I made in in at Penn.)
    2. Rental units had terrible taste in Chinese food. (Who, in this century, orders chow mein?)
    1. Jews invented guilt, but Chinese perfected shame. (To paraphrase Gordon Gekko, "Shame is good. Shame works.")

    “3g4me” doesn’t seem to understand some basic statistical concepts such as selection bias (including his own). His evidence is that someone is whining on the Internet. He also seems to think that God separated the major continental races, without realizing that the major races are hybrids, with Europeans being amalgamations of at least four major waves of migrations into Europe (the last one being Siberian/Asian).

    It would do him no good to read actual studies, but I attach the following for the perusal of other people who understand basic statistical concepts and scientific methods: http://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/International-adoption-a-case-review-of-Korean-children..pdf

    Some quotes on “outcomes”:

    In a study of 372 adoptive families by questionnaires, Feigelman & Silverman compared and contrasted the long-term adjustment of Columbian, Korean, and Afro-American transracial adoptees with those of in-racially adopted whites. They reported that 10% of 161 Korean children (two-thirds of them ranging from ages 7 and 12) received professional care for problems, which was less frequent than black or white adoptees. Fifty-eight percent of Korean children achieved above average school grades, which was a higher rate than for white (48%) and black (43%) adoptees. When Korean adoptees whose ages were 13 and over were compared with white adoptees, Korean adoptees functioned better in emotional, developmental, social, and academic areas but showed more discomfort about their appearance than white adolescent adoptees. [Boldfaces mine.]

    A ten-year follow-up study by Lydens & Snarey of 101 Korean-born adoptees examined self-concept and identity formation during adolescence (age 12 to 17) and young adulthood (age 22 to 27). They reported the development of a positive self-concept and positive social adjustment. As noted earlier, D. Kim also reported normal development of self-concept. While some of the adopted children were interested in their ethnic and adoptive identity, they often identified themselves as American rather than Korean-American or Korean. Feigelman & Silverman observed that 28% of Korean adolescents and young adults felt sometimes uncomfortable about their appearance, and some of them were even ashamed of their origin, although overall they adjusted well.

    Across the Atlantic, Kühl noted that all international adoptees including Korean adolescents identified with being German while about one third of them had some interest in their country of origin. Rorbech noted similar findings in a large sample of 18-to-25-year-old Asian adoptees including Koreans in Denmark. Almost all of these individuals identified themselves as being Danish. Yet one third felt different from others, and one quarter felt uncomfortable about their differences. Twnenty-seven percent were teased at school and 18% continued to be teased as adults. Two thirds did not show any attachment to their country of origin, and two thirds did not want information about their family of origin.[Boldfaces mine.]

    The overall impression is that Korean adoptees have done very well consistently, study after study, when surveying the literature spanning four decades and on both sides of the Atlantic. It confirms what Tizard summed up, “While the evidence is patchy and incomplete, it does suggest that in 75-80% of intercountry adoptions the children and adolescents function well, with no more behavioral and educational problems at home and at school than other children.” Moreover, Korean children seem to be doing better than adoptees of other ethnic groups. Feigelman & Silverman stated, “We were surprised to find that the Korean adoptees were better adapted than white U.S.-born adoptees.” Dr. Kim reported, “The adopted Korean children were similar to other American teenagers in many respects, and they were just as well or even better than others, although they seemed to have had some initial adjustment difficulties.” [Boldface mine.]

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    His evidence is that someone is whining on the Internet.
     
    What a maroon! Ha! Ha! Ha! This is what what real evidence looks like …

    I know several Asian adoptees. All are profesionals, married to whites, and are basically whites in all but outward appearance.
     
    , @Jack D
    “While the evidence is patchy and incomplete, it does suggest that in 75-80% of intercountry adoptions the children and adolescents function well, with no more behavioral and educational problems at home and at school than other children.”

    So, stated in the converse, in 1 out of 4 or 5 Asian adoptions, the children do not function well and have more problems than other kids. While I agree this does not mean "most", that 25% of adoptees are troubled is a significant problem and a significant risk for parents considering adoption. A troubled child can turn your life upside down, end your marriage, cost you your job. There is nothing more painful than devoting decades of you life to a child and having that all treated as nothing or as if you have actually wronged them by doing so.

    Many (in fact "most") adoption stories have happy endings but some don't. You seem to have a personal stake in the idea that (in the case of Asians) they ALL turn out well with only very rare exceptions. 20 to 25% is not "rare". Now I realize that even this group is on a spectrum from mildly troubled to sociopathic, but it's not all rainbows and unicorns.
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  164. anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Gary in Gramercy
    "I’ve read similar rants by Chinese adopted and raised by American Jews."

    Really? What were their complaints? I can guess at the top three:

    3. Mom and Dad didn't make me do enough homework. (Well, not enough to get into Harvard, but I made in in at Penn.)
    2. Rental units had terrible taste in Chinese food. (Who, in this century, orders chow mein?)
    1. Jews invented guilt, but Chinese perfected shame. (To paraphrase Gordon Gekko, "Shame is good. Shame works.")

    A philosopher once said:

    I know several Asian adoptees. All are profesionals, married to whites, and are basically whites in all but outward appearance.

    You can’t argue with facts.

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  165. anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Twinkie
    "3g4me" doesn't seem to understand some basic statistical concepts such as selection bias (including his own). His evidence is that someone is whining on the Internet. He also seems to think that God separated the major continental races, without realizing that the major races are hybrids, with Europeans being amalgamations of at least four major waves of migrations into Europe (the last one being Siberian/Asian).

    It would do him no good to read actual studies, but I attach the following for the perusal of other people who understand basic statistical concepts and scientific methods: http://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/International-adoption-a-case-review-of-Korean-children..pdf

    Some quotes on "outcomes":

    In a study of 372 adoptive families by questionnaires, Feigelman & Silverman compared and contrasted the long-term adjustment of Columbian, Korean, and Afro-American transracial adoptees with those of in-racially adopted whites. They reported that 10% of 161 Korean children (two-thirds of them ranging from ages 7 and 12) received professional care for problems, which was less frequent than black or white adoptees. Fifty-eight percent of Korean children achieved above average school grades, which was a higher rate than for white (48%) and black (43%) adoptees. When Korean adoptees whose ages were 13 and over were compared with white adoptees, Korean adoptees functioned better in emotional, developmental, social, and academic areas but showed more discomfort about their appearance than white adolescent adoptees. [Boldfaces mine.]
     

    A ten-year follow-up study by Lydens & Snarey of 101 Korean-born adoptees examined self-concept and identity formation during adolescence (age 12 to 17) and young adulthood (age 22 to 27). They reported the development of a positive self-concept and positive social adjustment. As noted earlier, D. Kim also reported normal development of self-concept. While some of the adopted children were interested in their ethnic and adoptive identity, they often identified themselves as American rather than Korean-American or Korean. Feigelman & Silverman observed that 28% of Korean adolescents and young adults felt sometimes uncomfortable about their appearance, and some of them were even ashamed of their origin, although overall they adjusted well.

    Across the Atlantic, Kühl noted that all international adoptees including Korean adolescents identified with being German while about one third of them had some interest in their country of origin. Rorbech noted similar findings in a large sample of 18-to-25-year-old Asian adoptees including Koreans in Denmark. Almost all of these individuals identified themselves as being Danish. Yet one third felt different from others, and one quarter felt uncomfortable about their differences. Twnenty-seven percent were teased at school and 18% continued to be teased as adults. Two thirds did not show any attachment to their country of origin, and two thirds did not want information about their family of origin.[Boldfaces mine.]
     

    The overall impression is that Korean adoptees have done very well consistently, study after study, when surveying the literature spanning four decades and on both sides of the Atlantic. It confirms what Tizard summed up, "While the evidence is patchy and incomplete, it does suggest that in 75-80% of intercountry adoptions the children and adolescents function well, with no more behavioral and educational problems at home and at school than other children." Moreover, Korean children seem to be doing better than adoptees of other ethnic groups. Feigelman & Silverman stated, "We were surprised to find that the Korean adoptees were better adapted than white U.S.-born adoptees." Dr. Kim reported, "The adopted Korean children were similar to other American teenagers in many respects, and they were just as well or even better than others, although they seemed to have had some initial adjustment difficulties." [Boldface mine.]
     

    His evidence is that someone is whining on the Internet.

    What a maroon! Ha! Ha! Ha! This is what what real evidence looks like …

    I know several Asian adoptees. All are profesionals, married to whites, and are basically whites in all but outward appearance.

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    Are the quotes from the literature survey above your reading level?
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  166. @Moses
    For some reason only non-Fellow White People Whites adopt babies of other races.

    I’ve never seen Asians, blacks or Fellow White People do it.

    What is it with Whites?

    Because orphans are like Ford automobiles; you can get any color you like, so long as it’s black.

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    The first Model T’s, and their predecessors were usually red. Black Only came later and didn’t last.
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  167. jim jones says:
    @Anonymous
    The main African community in China is in Guangzhou. The number of Africans is 10,000 and declining.

    Other Africans are scattered in major cities, many as students. Students number in the tens of thousands and growing.

    It's not a large enough number to attract any serious attention.

    Guangzhou is known as “Chocolate City” in China

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  168. Twinkie says:
    @anonymous

    His evidence is that someone is whining on the Internet.
     
    What a maroon! Ha! Ha! Ha! This is what what real evidence looks like …

    I know several Asian adoptees. All are profesionals, married to whites, and are basically whites in all but outward appearance.
     

    Are the quotes from the literature survey above your reading level?

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    Are the quotes from the literature survey above your reading level?
     
    My reading level is suspect. :( When you write “literature survey” are you referring to the literature survey you looked up AFTER you put out the I know several Asian adoptees. All are profesionals, married to whites, and are basically whites in all but outward appearance argument?
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  169. @Cortes
    I think we might be getting to the stage of having to acknowledge that blackness is in the eye of the beholder, because she doesn’t look very close to being black to my eyes. She’s a poster girl for the old song about turning out “coffee coloured people by the score.”
    Perhaps it’s the white part of her which determines the shittiness displayed. I wonder if any genuinely black academic has made a study of the phenomenon of accentuated positive identifications in mestizo culture? Because mestizo is what she is.
    Not black. Not White. Mestizo.

    Because mestizo is what she is. Not black. Not White. Mestizo.

    Not mestizo.

    Check out the definitive reference:

    http://www.americanyawp.com/text/casta-painting/


    Español con India: Mestizo

    Español con Mora: Mulato.

    White and indian: Mestizo.

    White and black: Mulatto.

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  170. @Twinkie
    He got fired from his last day job for bringing his “fiancé” and staying in the same room with her on his employer’s dime... while still married to his wife.

    Well then. I am shocked, I say shocked that a man who sports a perennial impish grin would pull such shenanigans! :)

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    Sorry, I forgot to mention that the said day job was president or chancellor of a conservative Christian university.
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  171. Twinkie says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Well then. I am shocked, I say shocked that a man who sports a perennial impish grin would pull such shenanigans! :)

    Sorry, I forgot to mention that the said day job was president or chancellor of a conservative Christian university.

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  172. Altai says:
    @Bill P
    For all the whining about their "plight," black women have the best deal of anyone in the US. That's why they vote for democrats at rates of roughly 100%.

    I have known and worked with a few working class white women who, if they were black, would be managing a bank branch or something along those lines. I have had to deal with black women workers whose level of incompetency, rudeness and sense of entitlement would have gotten anyone else fired. Also, there's straight-up welfare discrimination in favor of black women. All else being equal, they are more likely to have section 8, SNAP, TANF etc. They are also overrepresented in college, far surpassing black males in that regard despite the appetite for black male athletes.

    Black men, on the other hand, don't get so many breaks. They get hammered by the administrative state, they are routinely ejected from their families, and treated like dangerous animals by the courts. I know a lot of people here on iSteve think they deserve it, and some do, but they exercise remarkable restraint given the behavior of their women. I have observed this on a number of occasions myself. One of our biggest sins as a nation is our ongoing destruction of the tenuous black father figure. Seems precious few have learned anything from Mark Twain's best work.

    Trump and republicans in general have nothing to lose by championing the cause of black men. Black women aren't going to vote for Trump anyway, so he could only make gains by pledging to halt the ongoing destruction of black fatherhood.

    The most nice, liberal foreigners will always mention that US airport workers are intimidating surly giant black women. It’s simply an experience of a stereotype nobody could think to be real.

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    What an ignorant stereotype!
    That's MOTOR VEHICLES!
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  173. Bill B. says:
    @J.Ross
    Maybe we should formalize and propagate this as a named law, seeing so many people ask about it:
    Black grievance is not about the just redress of a current or historical issue. Black grievance is the atavistic survival of African inter-tribal diplomacy.
    They're seeing what they can get, not arguing in good faith. No sooner do we look them in the eye, tell them to shut up and get out, and go back to our own business, then the terrible weighty historical greivance will miraculously lift from their shoulders.

    Black grievance is the atavistic survival of African inter-tribal diplomacy.
    They’re seeing what they can get, not arguing in good faith.

    A long time ago I read the advice in a 19th Century travel book of an old Africa hand: never debate with Africans who will entrap you in a web of surreal logic, myth and fantastic confusion.

    Can’t remember the name of the book.

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    never debate with Africans who will entrap you in a web of surreal logic, myth and fantastic confusion.

    Kind of like Joo obsessives and Kennedy assassination aficionados.
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  174. Bill B. says:
    @Old fogey
    This woman has got to be the dimmest "journalist" on the planet. She is completely non-self aware. How does she keep her job?

    She is completely non-self aware. How does she keep her job?

    By being completely non self aware.

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  175. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Andy
    wow, she seems to be an unsufferable, all-around horrible individual

    she seems to be an unsufferable, all-around horrible individual

    Like many adoptees, Rebecca Carroll clearly never got over the trauma of having been abandoned by her birth mother AND birth father (who was probably already out of the picture by the time of her birth).

    RACE is simply the funnel through which she channels the ongoing pain.

    The claim to be “BLACK” also serves as a convenient justification to this woman – born to a white woman – for the unjustifiable lashing out against her birth family and genuine friends who had the guts to stand up to the one-dimensional, simple-minded, Black Studies race talk.

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  176. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Unfortunately, this is not true. There is a whole little group in Korea of America adoptees who have gone back home because they felt as if they were stolen from their family and culture by their white adoptive parents, whom they often want nothing to do with.

    A certain % of adopted children are deeply unhappy people (and often, like this woman, they try to make everyone around them as miserable as they are). Maybe they would have been miserable people even if they were never adopted, but adoption can also badly mess with your head, especially if it does not occur at a very young age. Kids can develop issues with bonding and trust that can never be overcome, no matter how well treated they are by their adoptive parents. Racial differences only make this worse.

    There are certainly many happy stories of adoptions that turn out well for everyone, but a certain % go bad - instead of the kid being grateful, etc. as you might expect, they are deeply bitter and resentful instead.

    A certain % of adopted children are deeply unhappy people (and often, like this woman, they try to make everyone around them as miserable as they are). …Kids can develop issues with bonding and trust that can never be overcome, no matter how well treated they are by their adoptive parents. Racial differences only make this worse.

    The real issue – often unacknowledged by the adoptee – is resentment for having been ABANDONED by BOTH birth parents. This resentment is often – ironically – projeted onto the adoptive parents who are blamed for facilitating the abandonment of the adoptee by the birth parents.

    Obama is a classic example, publishing “Dreams from my Father” about a man – likely NOT his bio dad – whom he saw for no more than 2 hours in his whole life, while making derogatory statements about his grandparents (de facto adoptive parents) and ignoring his birth mother as she lay dying of cancer.

    (“Dreams from my Father” is, of course, ghostwritten but clearly reflects the psychological reality of young Barry Dunham who only took the name Obama in his 20s, having in the meantime been abandoned again, by his step dad Soetoro.)

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    Obama is a classic example, publishing “Dreams from my Father” about a man – likely NOT his bio dad – whom he saw for no more than 2 hours in his whole life, while making derogatory statements about his grandparents (de facto adoptive parents) and ignoring his birth mother as she lay dying of cancer.

    Barack Obama, Sr. was his father. He spent about 5 weeks with him in 1971.
    , @Art Deco
    (“Dreams from my Father” is, of course, ghostwritten but clearly reflects the psychological reality of young Barry Dunham who only took the name Obama in his 20s, having in the meantime been abandoned again, by his step dad Soetoro.)

    The name on his birth certificate is 'Obama'. He never carried the surname 'Dunham'. His mother registered him for school in Indonesia in 1967 with the name 'Soetero'. He wasn't abandoned by Lolo Soetero. The separation from Soetero was an initiative of his mother's.
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  177. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Holden McGroin III
    Because orphans are like Ford automobiles; you can get any color you like, so long as it’s black.

    The first Model T’s, and their predecessors were usually red. Black Only came later and didn’t last.

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  178. @Old fogey
    This woman has got to be the dimmest "journalist" on the planet. She is completely non-self aware. How does she keep her job?

    Who would ever dare fire her?

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    Give me the chance.
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  179. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Moses
    For some reason only non-Fellow White People Whites adopt babies of other races.

    I’ve never seen Asians, blacks or Fellow White People do it.

    What is it with Whites?

    Is belief in racial equality and the blank slate widespread outside of Europe and North America?

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  180. Altai says:
    @snorlax
    The Middle East has been in a continuous state of war for the last 5000 years. The underlying cause is genetic, maybe secondarily geography or climate.

    Totally, continuous for the last 5 thousand years! It’s not like there’s been a serious uptick the last 15 years or so that would seem to be the result of certain entities meddling or anything…

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  181. AndrewR says:
    @anonymous-antiskynetist
    "...For all the whining about their “plight,” black women have the best deal of anyone in the US...."


    My daughter is technically "black" since her mother is a light-skinned West Indian. However, she got my ice-blue eyes, wavy caucasian hair and pale skin.

    But you better believe, in this world, that I'm raising her to be as blackity black as she needs to be to get where she wants to be.

    You provide no detail, so it’s reasonable to infer that your parenting style is harming her.

    It’s one thing to say to a kid: “your partial blackness will be advantageous to you in many circumstances, just as your partial whiteness will be advantageous in others, so you should learn when it’s wise to play up your blackness and when it’s wise to play up your whiteness.”

    That’s how I would raise a mixed child, but I’m not sure that’s what you meant.

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  182. Yada yada says:

    Let this be a lesson to all the insane white European women who decide to breed with these people. What you get in return is resentment. Their children are not and never will be white because they look like negros. Shazam! They consider themselves negros and hate their white parent. This lady in the article resents her mother because she knows her birth father is a loser and she is black like her loser father.

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  183. AndrewR says:
    @Redman
    Totally agree with this.

    Reminds me of a cab ride I had in NY right after the 3rd Trump/HRC debate. Twenty-something Black male cabby asked me what I thought of the debate. My initial reaction was to try to avoid the topic. I’d had too many bad experiences telling people I liked Trump.

    To my surprise, the cabby proceeded to discuss how much he liked Trump and couldn’t understand the black community’s support of HRC.

    Trump appeals more to black men than people realize. Or they’re willing to be open about. Trump’s support of Tyson during his rape trial was something that always made a big impression on me. He may have had an economic interest, but at the time, I recall sensing that Trump actually cared about Tyson and how he’d been screwed. I wonder is some/many black men sense that about him too.

    I think many black people can sense that Trump has no particular disdain for, or love of, blacks. It’s the “talented tenth” who go to college and marinate in toxic anti-white ideology who think that Trump sneezing is evidence of white supremacy.

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  184. Jack D says:
    @Johann Ricke

    A certain % of adopted children are deeply unhappy people (and often, like this woman, they try to make everyone around them as miserable as they are). Maybe they would have been miserable people even if they were never adopted, but adoption can also badly mess with your head, especially if it does not occur at a very young age.
     
    That can't be this woman's (i.e. the person in the article) excuse, since she was adopted under age 2. What a disaster for the adoptive parents. But it's the kind of thing that happens, whatever the race of the kid. Unhappy people will find reasons to stay unhappy, and make the people around them miserable. I know of one couple who adopted a daughter as an infant, and never let on that she was adopted. It wasn't an interracial adoption, either. She left after college and never contacted them again. The kicker is that she was this couple's only child.

    The critical age is much less than 2. Not telling the kid that she is adopted is not a good idea. Big shock when they find out.

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  185. Jack D says:
    @Twinkie
    "3g4me" doesn't seem to understand some basic statistical concepts such as selection bias (including his own). His evidence is that someone is whining on the Internet. He also seems to think that God separated the major continental races, without realizing that the major races are hybrids, with Europeans being amalgamations of at least four major waves of migrations into Europe (the last one being Siberian/Asian).

    It would do him no good to read actual studies, but I attach the following for the perusal of other people who understand basic statistical concepts and scientific methods: http://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/International-adoption-a-case-review-of-Korean-children..pdf

    Some quotes on "outcomes":

    In a study of 372 adoptive families by questionnaires, Feigelman & Silverman compared and contrasted the long-term adjustment of Columbian, Korean, and Afro-American transracial adoptees with those of in-racially adopted whites. They reported that 10% of 161 Korean children (two-thirds of them ranging from ages 7 and 12) received professional care for problems, which was less frequent than black or white adoptees. Fifty-eight percent of Korean children achieved above average school grades, which was a higher rate than for white (48%) and black (43%) adoptees. When Korean adoptees whose ages were 13 and over were compared with white adoptees, Korean adoptees functioned better in emotional, developmental, social, and academic areas but showed more discomfort about their appearance than white adolescent adoptees. [Boldfaces mine.]
     

    A ten-year follow-up study by Lydens & Snarey of 101 Korean-born adoptees examined self-concept and identity formation during adolescence (age 12 to 17) and young adulthood (age 22 to 27). They reported the development of a positive self-concept and positive social adjustment. As noted earlier, D. Kim also reported normal development of self-concept. While some of the adopted children were interested in their ethnic and adoptive identity, they often identified themselves as American rather than Korean-American or Korean. Feigelman & Silverman observed that 28% of Korean adolescents and young adults felt sometimes uncomfortable about their appearance, and some of them were even ashamed of their origin, although overall they adjusted well.

    Across the Atlantic, Kühl noted that all international adoptees including Korean adolescents identified with being German while about one third of them had some interest in their country of origin. Rorbech noted similar findings in a large sample of 18-to-25-year-old Asian adoptees including Koreans in Denmark. Almost all of these individuals identified themselves as being Danish. Yet one third felt different from others, and one quarter felt uncomfortable about their differences. Twnenty-seven percent were teased at school and 18% continued to be teased as adults. Two thirds did not show any attachment to their country of origin, and two thirds did not want information about their family of origin.[Boldfaces mine.]
     

    The overall impression is that Korean adoptees have done very well consistently, study after study, when surveying the literature spanning four decades and on both sides of the Atlantic. It confirms what Tizard summed up, "While the evidence is patchy and incomplete, it does suggest that in 75-80% of intercountry adoptions the children and adolescents function well, with no more behavioral and educational problems at home and at school than other children." Moreover, Korean children seem to be doing better than adoptees of other ethnic groups. Feigelman & Silverman stated, "We were surprised to find that the Korean adoptees were better adapted than white U.S.-born adoptees." Dr. Kim reported, "The adopted Korean children were similar to other American teenagers in many respects, and they were just as well or even better than others, although they seemed to have had some initial adjustment difficulties." [Boldface mine.]
     

    “While the evidence is patchy and incomplete, it does suggest that in 75-80% of intercountry adoptions the children and adolescents function well, with no more behavioral and educational problems at home and at school than other children.”

    So, stated in the converse, in 1 out of 4 or 5 Asian adoptions, the children do not function well and have more problems than other kids. While I agree this does not mean “most”, that 25% of adoptees are troubled is a significant problem and a significant risk for parents considering adoption. A troubled child can turn your life upside down, end your marriage, cost you your job. There is nothing more painful than devoting decades of you life to a child and having that all treated as nothing or as if you have actually wronged them by doing so.

    Many (in fact “most”) adoption stories have happy endings but some don’t. You seem to have a personal stake in the idea that (in the case of Asians) they ALL turn out well with only very rare exceptions. 20 to 25% is not “rare”. Now I realize that even this group is on a spectrum from mildly troubled to sociopathic, but it’s not all rainbows and unicorns.

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    Speaking of adoptions gone wrong, here's X-men director Bryan Singer dressed up as a Catholic priest in one of his outrageous homo parties. The theme of that particular party was something along the lines of" Catholic schoolboys chased by perverted priests"

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/ellievhall/heres-bryan-singer-dressed-as-a-priest-with-three-young-men

    "The director and his friends dressed as priests. The teens they invited to the party all were required to wear school uniforms and to look as young as possible. Finally, all the guests were to meet in the parking lot of a local school and a school bus was sent to pick them up. "
    http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2017/12/blind-item-3_21.html

    , @keuril

    So, stated in the converse, in 1 out of 4 or 5 Asian adoptions, the children do not function well and have more problems than other kids.
     
    It’s almost as if there’s a 25% chance that your adopted Asian kid could be in the bottom quartile.
    , @Johann Ricke

    Many (in fact “most”) adoption stories have happy endings but some don’t. You seem to have a personal stake in the idea that (in the case of Asians) they ALL turn out well with only very rare exceptions. 20 to 25% is not “rare”.
     
    That's not what the quoted article says, which is that if you're going to adopt, you can't do better than by adopting Koreans. Here's the relevant passage:

    Moreover, Korean children seem to be doing better than adoptees of other ethnic groups. Feigelman & Silverman stated, “We were surprised to find that the Korean adoptees were better adapted than white U.S.-born adoptees.”
     
    In other words, even white intra-racial adoption from US sources (i.e. not Russians, not Romanians) fared worse. That's a difficult standard to beat. I understand couples want adoptive children who look like them. But a key interest has to be acquiring children who will be a comfort to them in their old age. That the odds of a favorable outcome are better with Korean children than with white children is pretty striking.
    , @Twinkie

    So, stated in the converse, in 1 out of 4 or 5 Asian adoptions, the children do not function well and have more problems than other kids.
     
    No, Tizard's 75-80% figure is for ALL intercountry adoptions, not just Asian. What the survey concludes is that most intercountry adoptions work out well, but adoptees from Korea are particularly successful, to wit "the Korean adoptees were better adapted than white U.S.-born adoptees."

    You seem to have a personal stake in the idea that (in the case of Asians) they ALL turn out well with only very rare exceptions.
     
    Again, no. I was merely responding to the unproven - indeed, falsified - implication made earlier that non-white adoptees would not work out well. I responded thusly:

    Change “non white child” to “black child.” Adopted Asian children usually don’t create this kind of drama. Some may go through the “seeking birth mother/birth culture” phase, but most return and are grateful to their white parents. [Boldfaces added later.]
     
    I also added later that all the Asian adoptees *I* knew personally were successful professionals and married to whites, leading "white" lives. Some people here seem not to understand when I make generalized statements based on evidence as opposed to when I discuss my own personal acquaintances and experiences.

    Now I realize that even this group is on a spectrum from mildly troubled to sociopathic
     
    You read the conclusion incorrectly. Try again.

    it’s not all rainbows and unicorns.
     
    I never wrote that. Nothing is ever "all rainbows and unicorns," not even raising your own high IQ, adorable, and well-adjusted children.
    , @anonymous

    You read the conclusion incorrectly. Try again.
     
    Jack D, join the poor readers support group! :) Together we can overcame!
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  186. Yak-15 says:
    @Telegram to Miami

    I am always cognizant of the extreme whiteness of Warner (97.9 percent white according to the 2010 U.S. Census Bureau — it felt even whiter growing up) and its neighboring towns whenever I go back to visit, although for some reason this time I felt not simply aware of it, but nearly assaulted by it. …
     
    Astounding. A community of White people, existing as a people, going about their daily and mundane lives, struggling as everyone does with bills, its complexities and intricacies, is an assault on the black mind.

    Add to this the complexity of a society that refuses to adequately explain why your black peers largely fail in the aforementioned society and you have the result: Rebecca Carroll.

    Similar threads of confusing thought and inability to understand reality will haunt people like her until the scientific explanations of group differences are openly acknowledged and discussed.

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  187. @Altai
    The most nice, liberal foreigners will always mention that US airport workers are intimidating surly giant black women. It's simply an experience of a stereotype nobody could think to be real.

    What an ignorant stereotype!
    That’s MOTOR VEHICLES!

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  188. RamonaQ says:

    She seems like a charming lady heres an essay about her 3 abortions.

    http://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/a4164/abortion-addiction/

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    Ramona, thank you for the link. This should have been the first post, then we all would have realized what a shallow,disgusting person Ms. Carroll is.
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  189. @Mr. Anon

    Well, you are correct that the Nazis were left-wing.
     
    No, he isn't. That notion is ridiculous, ahistorical nonsense.

    No, he isn’t. That notion is ridiculous, ahistorical nonsense.

    The Nazis were National Socialists, and socialism is the heart of all Leftist schemes. (You don’t really think their choice of red was accidental, do you?) Attempts, such as yours, to place them on the right is anachronistic, at best. The Left end of the spectrum is totalitarian tyranny, the Right is anarchy. Your formulation is why we see confused posters using oxymorons as handles (Leftist Conservative, Left Libertarian), and why they pretend their version of socialism will turn out well. Lord Acton knew better.

    Mislabelling something as important as the political spectrum impairs clear reasoning. You are accepting a leftist definition that makes fighting the Left much more difficult than it should be.

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    The Nazis were National Socialists,....
     
    No, they called themselves "National Socialists". Just as the Democrats call themselves "Democrats" despite being deeply anti-democratic. The NSDAP started as a socialist party, but there was little enough socialism in it by the time they attained power that industrialists and a very conservative army were willing to back them. Bismarck introduced social welfare schemes to the second Reich. Was Bismarck a left-winger?

    .........and socialism is the heart of all Leftist schemes.
     
    No, the heart of left-wing schemes is the assault on tradition. Socialism, though often a part of that, need not be.

    (You don’t really think their choice of red was accidental, do you?)
     
    No, because red is highly visible and attention getting. The British naval ensign and the US Marine Corps flag are red. Is the Royal navy left-wing? Are the Marines?

    Attempts, such as yours, to place them on the right is anachronistic, at best.
     
    What? You are the one being anachronistic here. The Nazis were understood at the time, and both by themselves and their enemies, as being right-wing.

    The Left end of the spectrum is totalitarian tyranny, the Right is anarchy.
     
    So...........Prince Kropotkin and Leon Czolgosz were rightists? Metternich, Napoleon, Tsar Nicholas, and Winston Churchill were anarchists? You don't know what you are talking about.

    Your formulation is why we see confused posters using oxymorons as handles (Leftist Conservative, Left Libertarian),...........
     
    No, they use those handles because they are confused. Just as you seem to be. You should read some actual history books, rather than getting it from Jonah Goldberg, or Rush Limbaugh, or whatever other bowlderized, comic-book source you've learned it from. There is more to history than just American history of the last fifty years, and it's peculiar definition of "conservative".
    , @Anonymous
    Actually the National Socialists were "radical centrists". Their name was a combination of Nationalist and Socialist. They promoted themselves as the enemies of the far Left and the far Right alike. (That said, the enemies that actually came against them to fight were overwhelmingly the reds: the Right was too weak to offer anything but intellectual opposition. The antifas fought and fought hard, of course the Nazis had better thugs and thumped them, then purged the thuggiest in the Night of Long Knives.)

    Both the Left and the Right were utterly dysfunctional. Hitler saw a path to power right straight through the center, and he took it.
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  190. anonguy says:
    @Thomm

    PS. Afro-Colonization of White Wombs stinks. White women have sex with blacks and produce trash like Obama, Kaepernick, and Carroll. What a waste of a womb.
     
    All true. But remember WHY white women do this.

    It is because WNs are even more undesirable, so the black man becomes the lesser evil.

    Remember, nature hates a vacuum, and women don't see WNs as romantic prospects.

    women don’t see WNs as romantic prospects.

    I’d say they are down around the level of pedophiles in the average women’s estimation.

    And rightly so.

    Just as patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel, white nationalism is the last refuge of a loser and women famously don’t consider losers romantic prospects.

    How many of the MGTOW guys are alt-right as well? I’d guess approximately 100%, and add that it isn’t just a coincidence.

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    I’d say they are down around the level of pedophiles in the average women’s estimation.

    And rightly so.

    Just as patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel, white nationalism is the last refuge of a loser and women famously don’t consider losers romantic prospects.
     
    100% agree. WNs represent waste matter that is generated in the evolutionary process. The female versions of WNs are fat bluehaired feminists.
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  191. peterike says:
    @Anonymous
    All children resent their parents, but if there are interracial or adoption issues involved this goes into overdrive.

    All children resent their parents

    Freudian nonsense, designed specifically to create resentment and weaken families. Freud was the cultural equivalent to someone throwing acid in your face.

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  192. @anonymous-antiskynetist
    "...For all the whining about their “plight,” black women have the best deal of anyone in the US...."


    My daughter is technically "black" since her mother is a light-skinned West Indian. However, she got my ice-blue eyes, wavy caucasian hair and pale skin.

    But you better believe, in this world, that I'm raising her to be as blackity black as she needs to be to get where she wants to be.

    But you better believe, in this world, that I’m raising her to be as blackity black as she needs to be to get where she wants to be.

    Mr. Antiskynetist, i’d encourage you not to raise your daughter to be at all blackity-black.

    You can tell her at the appropriate time that she can check the “African-American” box to get a leg up.

    But what will really matter in her life–her happiness and success–is whom she marries. And as a white guy presumably you want her to marry a white guy, have white children and continue your line racially and culturally. So you should actually raise her to be white, think of herself as white and be appealing to white guys. If she seems like a cute, pleasant white girl who looks a little “exotic” she’ll do well. And the Antiskynetist line will continue on into our glorious white future. (If it exists.)

    Good luck with her. AD

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    I was kind of kidding about the blackity black. She pretty much couldn't be any whiter...her mom is a violin-playing librarian who sells stuff on etsy and she's growing up in a house full of books wearing old school cloth diapers and eating organic baby food and reading Goodnight Moon...full-on SWPL childhood. She'll look white, talk white and act white...and the wokeness she gets from her mom will be white-type wokeness...nothing whiter, if you think about it.

    But yeah, she'll be marrying a white guy. One, like me, who finds his wife's wokeness to be cute but nothing to take seriously.
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  193. Jack D says:
    @3g4me
    @29 Twinkie: "Adopted Asian children usually don’t create this kind of drama. Some may go through the “seeking birth mother/birth culture” phase, but most return and are grateful to their white parents."

    You're woefully misinformed or perhaps choose to see only the positive in those of your own race. There are entire websites filled with Asians adopted by Whites (a large percent of them Korean, merely because the Korean war was when Americans first adopted large numbers of Asian children) ranting about how unpersoned and unhappy they were being raised in a White environment. Far from being grateful to their adoptive parents, they almost uniformly condemn them as, at best, well meaning and condescending.

    A substantial cohort returned to Korea, sought out blood relatives, and demurely accepted scathing criticism of the adoptee for being insufficiently Asian in habit, custom, demeanor, and language. Then, neither fish nor fowl, they settled in to live in Korea as a Korean-Americans among other adopted Korean Americans. I've read similar rants by Chinese adopted and raised by American Jews. There are hapa websites where the men almost categorically reject their White fathers as colonial oppressors and their Asian mothers as whores.

    You may continue to claim your own mixed progeny is perfectly well adapted and blended, but overall experience and statistics would prove you wrong. Interracial marriage and interracial adoption joins that which both God and biology separated, and the results are not particularly pretty - either aesthetically or psychologically.

    Interracial marriage and interracial adoption joins that which both God and biology separated, and the results are not particularly pretty – either aesthetically or psychologically.

    I really don’t pretend to know the intentions of God, but if He and biology really wanted the races to be separate He would have made us separate species.

    Interracial adoptions seem to have a certain % (20-25%) of problems though most go well. I don’t know how the offspring of interracial marriages do psychologically vs unmixed individuals – Obama did OK although he did seem to resent his white side. But he turned his resentment into profit.

    Aesthetically, Eurasian (women) are often noted as being particularly beautiful. There’s no accounting for taste and sometimes a mix gets you the worst of both worlds instead of the best, but when the wheels line up just right the effect can be very pleasing.

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  194. BozoB says:
    @Thomm

    PS. Afro-Colonization of White Wombs stinks. White women have sex with blacks and produce trash like Obama, Kaepernick, and Carroll. What a waste of a womb.
     
    All true. But remember WHY white women do this.

    It is because WNs are even more undesirable, so the black man becomes the lesser evil.

    Remember, nature hates a vacuum, and women don't see WNs as romantic prospects.

    What’s a WN?

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    As Thomm has demonstrated many times on this blog, he has no idea.
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  195. Neuday says:
    @Thomm

    PS. Afro-Colonization of White Wombs stinks. White women have sex with blacks and produce trash like Obama, Kaepernick, and Carroll. What a waste of a womb.
     
    All true. But remember WHY white women do this.

    It is because WNs are even more undesirable, so the black man becomes the lesser evil.

    Remember, nature hates a vacuum, and women don't see WNs as romantic prospects.

    Uh huh. When your kid turns 4, tell your wife you think it’s time to move to a school district with as many NAMs as possible. Let me know how that works for you.

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  196. BB753 says:
    @Jack D
    “While the evidence is patchy and incomplete, it does suggest that in 75-80% of intercountry adoptions the children and adolescents function well, with no more behavioral and educational problems at home and at school than other children.”

    So, stated in the converse, in 1 out of 4 or 5 Asian adoptions, the children do not function well and have more problems than other kids. While I agree this does not mean "most", that 25% of adoptees are troubled is a significant problem and a significant risk for parents considering adoption. A troubled child can turn your life upside down, end your marriage, cost you your job. There is nothing more painful than devoting decades of you life to a child and having that all treated as nothing or as if you have actually wronged them by doing so.

    Many (in fact "most") adoption stories have happy endings but some don't. You seem to have a personal stake in the idea that (in the case of Asians) they ALL turn out well with only very rare exceptions. 20 to 25% is not "rare". Now I realize that even this group is on a spectrum from mildly troubled to sociopathic, but it's not all rainbows and unicorns.

    Speaking of adoptions gone wrong, here’s X-men director Bryan Singer dressed up as a Catholic priest in one of his outrageous homo parties. The theme of that particular party was something along the lines of” Catholic schoolboys chased by perverted priests”

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/ellievhall/heres-bryan-singer-dressed-as-a-priest-with-three-young-men

    “The director and his friends dressed as priests. The teens they invited to the party all were required to wear school uniforms and to look as young as possible. Finally, all the guests were to meet in the parking lot of a local school and a school bus was sent to pick them up. ”

    http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2017/12/blind-item-3_21.html

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  197. Art Deco says:
    @rogue-one
    I disagree with Obama on many issues but he is not trash. The man is remarkably disciplined and has conducted himself with dignity in the office (even if he acted in interests of democratic party rather than the US).

    If Trump had 10% of the discipline & focus of Obama, the borders would have been closed by now.

    The man is remarkably disciplined and has conducted himself with dignity in the office (even if he acted in interests of democratic party rather than the US).

    Come again? He’s shown no vocational focus whatsoever at any time in his adult life. He’s too much of a motormouth in love with the first-person-singular to be called dignified. A person of dignity wouldn’t have give Queen Elizabeth an iPod with recordings of his speeches on it.

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  198. 3g4me says:
    @Twinkie

    statistics would prove you wrong
     
    Show me.

    @150 Twinkie: “Show me.”

    1. Anything I would link to you would immediately disqualify as being non-representative, or suspect for one reason or another. A pattern distinct to you, various other commenters here, a particular British grad school professor I recall, and the hubristic in general.

    2. The social sciences are a highly corrupt field filled with SJWs and the disciples of Franz Boas and his misbegotten ilk. There are studies that attempt to limit personal opinion and emotion and rely on data rather than self-justification and/or reporting, but then see reason #1.

    3. Your comments, over the months and years I’ve seen them, strongly imply your tremendous pride in your Han race and its putative intellectual and civilizational superiority. Combine with your churchianity and equal pride in your bride being a White woman with a long American pedigree, and it’s fairly clear you regard your own progeny as superior specimens, particularly in comparison with mere mixed-European Whites.

    I love my own children, but prefer to see them as they are, not as I might prefer them to be, and I don’t try to project my personal aspirations when attempting to predict how others of their race or society as a whole will regard them. Despite all your hauteur, your children’s future affiliation will be, in large part, decided by who chooses to claim them as their own, not who they (far less you) think they ought to be part of. While they may look and be highly White in your eyes (just as John Derbyshire proclaimed his own children to be, whereas fwiw his daughter, in particular, looked wholly Asian to me and already allied herself with the various-hued SJWs in her support for Obama) they may not be so in others’ and ultimately it’s the others who will decide what racial mixture they are and where their allegiances lie.

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    So you have nothing.

    Your comments, over the months and years I’ve seen them, strongly imply your tremendous pride in your Han race
     
    Buddy, take a deep breath and take a remedial reading course. I am not Han. I mentioned several times that I’m not ethnically Chinese.
    , @anonymous

    Buddy, take a deep breath and take a remedial reading course. I am not Han. I mentioned several times that I’m not ethnically Chinese.
     
    Maybe you, stupid dumb me, and Jack D could form a poor readers support group. The first step is acknowledging we have a problem. Waddaya say?
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  199. @Telegram to Miami

    I am always cognizant of the extreme whiteness of Warner (97.9 percent white according to the 2010 U.S. Census Bureau — it felt even whiter growing up) and its neighboring towns whenever I go back to visit, although for some reason this time I felt not simply aware of it, but nearly assaulted by it. …
     
    Astounding. A community of White people, existing as a people, going about their daily and mundane lives, struggling as everyone does with bills, its complexities and intricacies, is an assault on the black mind.

    Astounding. A community of White people, existing as a people, going about their daily and mundane lives, struggling as everyone does with bills, its complexities and intricacies, is an assault on the black mind.

    It’s not just “an assault on the black mind”.

    This–the right of people to free association and to exist as a people if they want to–is precisely what is under assualt. Whether it’s the “golfocaust” or “school busing” or “let’s plant some Somalis in your town” or “you must bake a cake for the queers” or “Sweden has not yet learned how to be multicultural” or “the zeroth ammendment” … it’s at the core axiom the same crap, the demand that whatever nice things white people cook up, they must be shared. You have it, anyone and everyone is entitled to glom onto it.

    This is the great trap we’re in as white people. White people and societies are pretty open. We detribalized–with the exception of the Jews and later the gypsies. We created broad open societies where everyone in the village, the town was just a citizen of whatever nationality–usually related, albeit distantly to everyone else. Hence we could develop high trust and make strong effective nations.

    But this same principal of openness is a trap, because it’s exploitable by other peoples, other tribes who do not have the same characteristics, who are not open and won’t “play by our rules”. And who now basically demand that whatever white people have made–nice stuff, nice communities, nice nations–must be shared with them.

    This will be the death of whites. We must restablish the right of people to freely associate–which means also to *not* associate. Only then will we be able to “have nice things”, including our civilization.

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  200. @3g4me
    @29 Twinkie: "Adopted Asian children usually don’t create this kind of drama. Some may go through the “seeking birth mother/birth culture” phase, but most return and are grateful to their white parents."

    You're woefully misinformed or perhaps choose to see only the positive in those of your own race. There are entire websites filled with Asians adopted by Whites (a large percent of them Korean, merely because the Korean war was when Americans first adopted large numbers of Asian children) ranting about how unpersoned and unhappy they were being raised in a White environment. Far from being grateful to their adoptive parents, they almost uniformly condemn them as, at best, well meaning and condescending.

    A substantial cohort returned to Korea, sought out blood relatives, and demurely accepted scathing criticism of the adoptee for being insufficiently Asian in habit, custom, demeanor, and language. Then, neither fish nor fowl, they settled in to live in Korea as a Korean-Americans among other adopted Korean Americans. I've read similar rants by Chinese adopted and raised by American Jews. There are hapa websites where the men almost categorically reject their White fathers as colonial oppressors and their Asian mothers as whores.

    You may continue to claim your own mixed progeny is perfectly well adapted and blended, but overall experience and statistics would prove you wrong. Interracial marriage and interracial adoption joins that which both God and biology separated, and the results are not particularly pretty - either aesthetically or psychologically.

    You may continue to claim your own mixed progeny is perfectly well adapted and blended, but overall experience and statistics would prove you wrong. Interracial marriage and interracial adoption joins that which both God and biology separated, and the results are not particularly pretty – either aesthetically or psychologically.

    Mostly “what Jack said”.

    But let me toss in a key point. Interracial adoption and marriage are two very different things.

    Adoption is generally fraught. Most kids are fine, but many have issues. (Children should be with their natural parents if at all possible.) Transracial takes the issue to another level of incompatibility and adds some stress. Twinkie’s probably right that his people’s kids do better in these transracial adoptions (by white) people than the norm. That’s because they are generally more compliant and higher-IQ than the norm. But in the “diversity!” world we live in even these pretty compliant kids are being handed an axe to grind.

    Mostly what the adoption experience teaches is genes matter. At the environmental level of modern America–sufficient protein, vitamins, calories and universal public education–especially middle class modern America, nature is so wholly dominant over nurture it’s a genuine ass whooping. Adoptive parents find out, the cake was baked somewhere else.

    I’d encourage anyone wanting kids and considering (non-family) adoption to take a deep breath and understand that. We have all sorts of fancy fertility technology today that allow more people to have their own children and even if that’s not possible to have children from their own family lines. Children that will be theirs.

    ~~

    In contrast inter-racial marriage produces children who actually are their parents’ children.

    I definitely think it’s foolish for any white person to dip into the black pool. It just seems like the height of silliness to take on–and associate even your own self, not to mention your children–with all that whining and resentment. Plus all the IQ and personality issues you’re inflicting on your kids. (White women chasing black penis and doing this should indeed be shamed and called what they are.)

    But other combinations … just doesn’t seem like a big deal. In America at least those kids–at least raised by middle class parents in middle class neighborhoods–seem to be pretty comfortable being white. The real critiera are the same ones people should always be considering in a spouse–high character, shared values, intelligence, health, good interpersonal fit, orientation to family, strong sexual attraction, not a doofus with money, etc. etc. Those things easily outweigh the salience of “race” among the “out of Africa” races.

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    Transracial takes the issue to another level of incompatibility and adds some stress. Twinkie’s probably right that his people’s kids do better in these transracial adoptions (by white) people than the norm.
     
    Actually, studies show that Korean children adopted by white parents do better than even white babies adopted by white parents in-country. And by "better" I don't mean just academically. As I noted earlier in another comment, I suspect the reason is mostly one of different selection mechanism.

    The real critiera are the same ones people should always be considering in a spouse–high character, shared values, intelligence, health, good interpersonal fit, orientation to family, strong sexual attraction, not a doofus with money, etc. etc. Those things easily outweigh the salience of “race” among the “out of Africa” races.
     
    This is the most sensible thing I've read in this thread so far.
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  201. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    Are the quotes from the literature survey above your reading level?

    Are the quotes from the literature survey above your reading level?

    My reading level is suspect. :( When you write “literature survey” are you referring to the literature survey you looked up AFTER you put out the I know several Asian adoptees. All are profesionals, married to whites, and are basically whites in all but outward appearance argument?

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  202. @AnotherDad

    But you better believe, in this world, that I’m raising her to be as blackity black as she needs to be to get where she wants to be.
     
    Mr. Antiskynetist, i'd encourage you not to raise your daughter to be at all blackity-black.

    You can tell her at the appropriate time that she can check the "African-American" box to get a leg up.

    But what will really matter in her life--her happiness and success--is whom she marries. And as a white guy presumably you want her to marry a white guy, have white children and continue your line racially and culturally. So you should actually raise her to be white, think of herself as white and be appealing to white guys. If she seems like a cute, pleasant white girl who looks a little "exotic" she'll do well. And the Antiskynetist line will continue on into our glorious white future. (If it exists.)

    Good luck with her. AD

    I was kind of kidding about the blackity black. She pretty much couldn’t be any whiter…her mom is a violin-playing librarian who sells stuff on etsy and she’s growing up in a house full of books wearing old school cloth diapers and eating organic baby food and reading Goodnight Moon…full-on SWPL childhood. She’ll look white, talk white and act white…and the wokeness she gets from her mom will be white-type wokeness…nothing whiter, if you think about it.

    But yeah, she’ll be marrying a white guy. One, like me, who finds his wife’s wokeness to be cute but nothing to take seriously.

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  203. keuril says:
    @Jack D
    “While the evidence is patchy and incomplete, it does suggest that in 75-80% of intercountry adoptions the children and adolescents function well, with no more behavioral and educational problems at home and at school than other children.”

    So, stated in the converse, in 1 out of 4 or 5 Asian adoptions, the children do not function well and have more problems than other kids. While I agree this does not mean "most", that 25% of adoptees are troubled is a significant problem and a significant risk for parents considering adoption. A troubled child can turn your life upside down, end your marriage, cost you your job. There is nothing more painful than devoting decades of you life to a child and having that all treated as nothing or as if you have actually wronged them by doing so.

    Many (in fact "most") adoption stories have happy endings but some don't. You seem to have a personal stake in the idea that (in the case of Asians) they ALL turn out well with only very rare exceptions. 20 to 25% is not "rare". Now I realize that even this group is on a spectrum from mildly troubled to sociopathic, but it's not all rainbows and unicorns.

    So, stated in the converse, in 1 out of 4 or 5 Asian adoptions, the children do not function well and have more problems than other kids.

    It’s almost as if there’s a 25% chance that your adopted Asian kid could be in the bottom quartile.

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    No. Read again. Jack D misread the relevant passages.
    , @anonymous
    You’re invited to join the poor readers support group too! :)
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  204. Pericles says:
    @Thomm

    PS. Afro-Colonization of White Wombs stinks. White women have sex with blacks and produce trash like Obama, Kaepernick, and Carroll. What a waste of a womb.
     
    All true. But remember WHY white women do this.

    It is because WNs are even more undesirable, so the black man becomes the lesser evil.

    Remember, nature hates a vacuum, and women don't see WNs as romantic prospects.

    The high-achieving White hands his daughters over to blacks if there are only WNs to choose from. Mulatto grandchildren are acceptable or rather desirable to the high-achieving White, if the alternative is White grandchildren with WNs.

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    The high-achieving White hands his daughters over to blacks if there are only WNs to choose from. Mulatto grandchildren are acceptable or rather desirable to the high-achieving White, if the alternative is White grandchildren with WNs.
     
    Yes, because the high-achieving white knows that the WN represents genetic waste matter. It makes no sense for a decent girl to mate with a WN than for someone to eat their own feces for a second digestion.

    WNs represent the waste matter of a high-churn genetic process that produces superb whites on the other end.
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  205. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    I agree that Obama is not trash, but that should be a pretty low bar for anybody to clear no matter the hue of his complexion. Yet I disagree that he was remarkably disciplined. On the contrary he coasted from Choom Gang to Occidental and then on through the Ivy League he continued to coast as the First Black President of the Harvard Law Review. Then he coasted as a professional community organizer and an undistinguished career teaching law at University of Chicago. Certainly disciplined enough get by as good enough, but he never showed a burning energy and serious passion. Perhaps the world ruined him by spoiling him when it was always too eager to see Obama as a magical amulet talisman filled with some mysterious "eldritch energies" instead of demanding more from him to develop his potential?

    Obama is a tragic example of wasted potential. He might have been the last leader who had a real opportunity to unite and heal the nation's rifts, had he had the courage to stand up to the destructive demagoguery coming from factions aligned with his side? Instead he wasted a wide mandate that gave him wide legitimacy from all parts of the nation and across all segments of the population. Instead of governing with energy, courage and principle, he failed to find his own backbone and let those from his own base destroy that wide mandate. The opportunity he wasted was much rarer than once in a generation... Perhaps those more conversant in American history than I can suggest a parallel from before when weak leadership meant a missed opportunity to make difficult maneuvers that might have avoided the Civil War.

    There will never be a “healing” of the nation’s rifts. In fact, the notion of the American “nation” is a myth.

    Are Detroit dindus part of my nation? They’re American citizens, as am I, but do we have anything else in common? Barring sending them all back to Africa, the only way I see to deal with them and their ilk is to stay as far away from them as I possibly can.

    White America and black America don’t belong in the same nation. They make up one body politic only because Dr. Frankenstein has grafted them together into a Human Centipede. (And white America is the guy in the back, if you know what I mean.)

    Whites and blacks will never be able to live together in even relative harmony without some kind of apartheid. Diversity always weakens social cohesion.

    If Obama had made a serious effort to “bridge the gap,” then he would have been written off as an Uncle Tom.

    No hugging, no learning, no Kumbaya singing.

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  206. @Andy
    wow, she seems to be an unsufferable, all-around horrible individual

    Andy, I haven’t finished reading all the new comments, but Michelle Obama displayed many of this woman’s anti-white traits. Everything they accomplish is in spite of whites and everything they couldn’t accomplish was because of whites.

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  207. Pericles says:
    @AndrewR
    I'm not defending this hateful, anti-white individual whose adoptive parents do seem far too good for her, but, as the son of an alcoholic, I am not going to judge her for feeling a need to publicly vent about her adoptive father's alcohol abuse. I don't know if Sailer thinks that people should never criticize their relatives publicly, or if he thinks that alcohol abusers in particular should get a pass, but Carroll's dad having his kid make a short mention of his alcohol abuse in some blog that maybe a thousand people around the world will read is a small price to pay for the burden his alcohol abuse has presumably put on his family. I have sympathy for people predisposed to alcoholism but I have no sympathy for those who choose to give in to it. My brother-in-law abused alcohol for years, but he quit cold-turkey, and has been completely sober for 20 years. If he can stay sober, anyone can.

    How authentically black can she be if she looks down on daddy getting crunk?

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  208. Pericles says:
    @anonymous
    Yuli Gurriel, like most baseball players, has been deafeningly silent on this issue.

    Yuli will serve several days suspension at the beginning of next year for mocking the looks of brown people. This is the first time in history that a player on a World Series team will miss the next year's opening day because his racist antics were so far out of line (or 'so so slanted', as little Yuli would say in his "playful" racist Cuban lingo).

    Yuli, famous for being the first MLB player with a Sideshow Bob haircut, and coincidentally the first World Series player to be banned from the next year's Opening Day for vicious displays of racism during a playoff game, and the angry woman quoted in this post both seem to be angry racists: the question is:
    does wearing a Sideshow Bob haircut cause angry racism, or do angry racists seek out Sideshow Bob's lunatic barber?

    The question answers itself. Haters gonna hate, as FDR used to say.

    Clearly, growing up in a communist dictatorship is insufficient to guide one through the labyrinth of American PC.

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  209. GregMan says:

    “So when my friend, who is white, accused me years later of being overly judgmental in regard to her white privilege…”

    “So when my former friend, who is white, accused me years later of being overly judgmental in regard to her white privilege…”

    FIFY

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  210. @Anon
    I disagree with Obama on many issues but he is not trash. The man is remarkably disciplined and has conducted himself with dignity in the office (even if he acted in interests of democratic party rather than the US). If Trump had 10% of the discipline & focus of Obama, the borders would have been closed by now.

    Well, well, it goes to show that cuckery is big even among people with alternative views. I guess staking one's worth by praising Negroes is too deeply ingrained in the American Psyche.

    Now, Obama is not trash in the sense of rappers and such. But we need judge a man by substance, not style. If ou look at his style, it too is cheap and trashy.

    First, what was Obama as a young man? A pothead and hedonist shitter. But okay, let's cut him some slack because young people act stupid. With affirmative action, he got into Harvard, and simply because he was a well-behaved black guy, they elevated him to Harvard Law Review status. What did he do? Nothing.



    After college, what did he achieve? Nothing. He hardly had any academic achievements. What did he accomplish as a politician? Again, zero. So, what was he doing all these years? He knew he could just coast on Jewish Power. He knew what the elites were looking for, and he created his Persona as The One, the Son that Oprah never had. So, all he did was practice before a mirror and shake the right hands and... wait.
    So, a total zero got all the accolades and support despite having no history of any achievement whatsoever. I find that pretty trashy. A cheap hustler just playing on white hopes based on 'white guilt'. It sure worked on you. How noble of you to praise a clean-cut black guy.
    Obama was just a hustler and thief. He got by on style. Granted, he was clever enough to play to the power to get the power. But he was never going to be anything more than the Puppet of those who paid and paved his way.

    Also, it's easy to look 'dignified' if all the media, academia, and Hollywood are fawning on you and giving you the Nobel prize for having done nothing. Imagine if the Media had decided to as tough on Obama as it was on Trump. Obama would have cried, sulked, and folded. He's shown time and again what a thin-skinned self-aggrandizing prick he is. But the media covered up for him, massaged him, and sucked him off. And Obama basked in Third Worldish cult of the Big Man. It was all so shameless and disgusting. But to you, that is 'dignified'. A hustler playing the role of messiah of hope. Gimme a break.
    Obama also cut in line. Say whatever you will about Hillary, but she paid her dues. She was right by Billy Boy and did her gig as Senator. 2008 was supposed to be her year. Cuz Obama was younger, he could have waited. But he just cut in line and destroyed Hillary's chances to be president forever. Where do you see dignity or integrity in that? I just see egomania.

    Also, his choice for wife shows he has no taste. Michelle is a gross woman. Disgusting, and Obama raised his girl to be trashy. Hardly better than Billy Boy and the Bushes that are just rich trash now.

    In the most superficial way, one might Obama is clean-cut and dignified. But it's all style, and it's not hard to do. It's what Will Smith does. Any black actor can play 'dignified' in certain movie roles. The magic negro shtick. And that's what Obama did. But that's just style. Let's look at substance. He totally paved the way for vile and gross homomania. He filled up Oval Office with degenerates off all kind. That is substance, and it was just disgusting. And who did he hang with? Rappers and egotistical celebrities. Some taste. And he spent more time playing golf since his job was mostly to obey his Jewish and Homo bosses.

    And Mr. post-racial decided to throw his brothas a bone and unleashed BLM that led to massive crime climb. Everyone of his interventions on race matters was ugly and vulgar and trashy. Like his siding with Henry Louis Gates against a cop who was only doing his job. His BS about Trayvon Martin. The mess in Ferguson, again vindicated by facts that the black guy was the thug. His elevated tone when speaking total nonsense makes his false dignity even more false. No better than a cheap televangelist.

    And in foreign policy? Obama, Mr. Dignity, destroyed Libya, aided terrorists in Syria, let Neocons hire Nazis to mess up Ukraine, and messed up relations with Russia over homo parades. Is that dignity?

    Now, keep in mind that Obama had the media and establishment supporting him all along. And even the GOP that won both houses hardly opposed Obo's globo agenda. And yet, his presidency has been one big clusterfuc*. In fact, it's worse than Bush's. At least moron Bush had 9/11 as excuse to mess up the world. Obama had no such excuse, but he did the bidding of his donors just the same, and he messed up the Middle East royally. And his destruction of Libya led to Afro-invasion of Europe. Yet, you say he was dignified. You cucky-wuck. Someone's gotta toughen you up. You're wasting the aprons on the wrong guy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQAwRpRe9F4

    Now, Trump has lots of problems too. And he is trashy in his own way. But he doesn't pretend to have the dignity he doesn't have. And that's good because US politics is about pimps and whores, and anyone who pretends to have dignity is either a liar or delusional idiot. I find Trump's vulgarity to be refreshing since America is such a cesspool of moral rot and degeneracy. A nation where sophisticated people's idea of morality is letting guys with wigs go wee wee in ladies room. And this goes for Conservatives too, these lowlife cowards who cower and pee their pants and act tough only against Palestinians, Iranians, and Russians cuz their donors tell them to.

    Also, suppose Trump had been given the media treatment that Obama got in 2008. He would won by a superduper landslide against Hillary. Trump won despite everything thrown at him. If he gotten a fair break from media, he would have won much more bigly.

    Also, suppose the media and deep state had been supportive of Trump in ways that they were with Obama. Trump would have gotten a lot done. Instead, his presidency has been under siege from day one, not least by the very people around him.
    From day one of his presidency, Deep State and entire media have been trying to derail him. If such had been done to Obama, he would have just given up. He's the sort of wuss who seems strong only with wind on his back. Trump had to weather the storm. True, Trump is a shady character, but no ordinary man could have done what he did.

    You don't know what dignity is because you're too much of cucky wuck.

    This is probably the best post I have ever seen. I am going to steal it for /pol/ copypasta.

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  211. Bill says:
    @Thomm
    Except the 'Alt-Right', like Nazi Germany, was left-wing.

    'Alt-Right' is really Paleo-Left.

    Everything since WWI has been squabbles among competing factions of leftists. So what?

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  212. Bill says:
    @Thea
    The lessons learned from this and rules changed will all be the wrong ones.

    Many a wife of a Hollywood casting director, actor, producer knows about the women who send nudes, suggestive emails or in-person let it be known what they'll do for the role unasked.

    At first. But then they will define the men saying “yes” to these offers as sexual harassment. So, eventually, we will iterate back to sensible rules. Natural law is natural law. It doesn’t care that we don’t believe in it.

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  213. Ragno says:

    You know, most of these diversity land-sharks are simply con-men; hustlers on the make working one of the more lucrative (and foolproof) scams going. Or, if they’re true believers, they’re like fools at a tent-show revival. You don’t often come across the kind of actively-unprincipled malevolence of a Regina Carroll, a woman who is so well and truly hateful that you can’t help but feel pity for the people unlucky enough to know her.

    Now that the actual menaces to American womanhood – Weinstein & Toback – have been disposed of, I very much fear the rest of this Grand Guignol social crusade will simply be a matter of empowering /weaponizing these kinds of self-obsessed neurotics with 15 minutes’ carte blanche to take down as many successful and high-ranking men as they can. As “self-obsessed neurotics” describes most of the modern Left, you have to figure it’s already happening.

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    Yep. Like Jack D said, it's great to see these guys fall, but the people who follow them will be much more like this crazy b***h. It's not like Jimmy Stewart is walking through the door.
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  214. Bill says:
    @rogue-one
    I disagree with Obama on many issues but he is not trash. The man is remarkably disciplined and has conducted himself with dignity in the office (even if he acted in interests of democratic party rather than the US).

    If Trump had 10% of the discipline & focus of Obama, the borders would have been closed by now.

    That’s an amazing amount of falsity you packed into that first paragraph. Obama is a smart, culturally white, but ignorant, lazy, and undisciplined mulatto. He’s a type. You see guys like that near or at the top of many organizations here in clown world.

    Did he bow “with dignity” to the King of Saudi Arabia? Did he carry out his cowardly policy of widespread murder by drone “with dignity?” Did he send ISIS into Syria “with dignity?”

    And how come no democrat anywhere thinks Barry behaved in the interests of the Democrat party if that’s what he did?

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  215. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    On top of everything else, this woman is a terrible writer. I succumbed to boredom after the first paragraph.

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  216. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    In all this talk of interracial adoption nobody has mentioned Rachel Dolezal, who was raised alongside several black adopted kids.

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  217. @Jack D
    “While the evidence is patchy and incomplete, it does suggest that in 75-80% of intercountry adoptions the children and adolescents function well, with no more behavioral and educational problems at home and at school than other children.”

    So, stated in the converse, in 1 out of 4 or 5 Asian adoptions, the children do not function well and have more problems than other kids. While I agree this does not mean "most", that 25% of adoptees are troubled is a significant problem and a significant risk for parents considering adoption. A troubled child can turn your life upside down, end your marriage, cost you your job. There is nothing more painful than devoting decades of you life to a child and having that all treated as nothing or as if you have actually wronged them by doing so.

    Many (in fact "most") adoption stories have happy endings but some don't. You seem to have a personal stake in the idea that (in the case of Asians) they ALL turn out well with only very rare exceptions. 20 to 25% is not "rare". Now I realize that even this group is on a spectrum from mildly troubled to sociopathic, but it's not all rainbows and unicorns.

    Many (in fact “most”) adoption stories have happy endings but some don’t. You seem to have a personal stake in the idea that (in the case of Asians) they ALL turn out well with only very rare exceptions. 20 to 25% is not “rare”.

    That’s not what the quoted article says, which is that if you’re going to adopt, you can’t do better than by adopting Koreans. Here’s the relevant passage:

    Moreover, Korean children seem to be doing better than adoptees of other ethnic groups. Feigelman & Silverman stated, “We were surprised to find that the Korean adoptees were better adapted than white U.S.-born adoptees.”

    In other words, even white intra-racial adoption from US sources (i.e. not Russians, not Romanians) fared worse. That’s a difficult standard to beat. I understand couples want adoptive children who look like them. But a key interest has to be acquiring children who will be a comfort to them in their old age. That the odds of a favorable outcome are better with Korean children than with white children is pretty striking.

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    In other words, even white intra-racial adoption from US sources (i.e. not Russians, not Romanians) fared worse. That’s a difficult standard to beat... That the odds of a favorable outcome are better with Korean children than with white children is pretty striking.
     
    I suspect this is the result, because, as I alluded briefly earlier, there is a mix of selection issues at work. In the first place, with Koreans we are talking about a general population with a fairly high mean IQ.

    And then there is the issue of comparative selective mechanisms (of child abandonment) at work. Typically when whites in the U.S. abandon children, the birthmothers tend to be of low cognitive profile/education level/socio-economic class. Drug addicts are not uncommon.*

    In the case of Korean adoptees, especially those from the post-Korean War years, the issues with the birthmothers were temporary in nature, e.g. deaths of parents from the war, poverty and inability to support children during the very difficult immediate post-war years, out-of-wedlock births in a society with a very traditional more (Korea until fairly recently criminalized female adultery, and bastardy was extremely frowned upon socially, a common insult for ill-behaving children being "Are you a bastard? Do you not have a father? What's wrong with your manners?"), and so on.

    So, the resulting children might be from temporarily desperate circumstances, but were not necessarily of lower or impaired cognitive or developmental profiles. In any case, the point is mostly moot as intercountry adoption of Korean children is just about nonexistent now. China is increasingly shutting the door too, for that matter.

    *A friend of mine and his wife (both whites) adopted a white baby boy about 30 years ago. Supposedly, the mother was a drug addict. I have known that kid for about 20 years. He was the sweetest, nicest kid when he was little. Very sadly, he went bad with drugs at some point and is now a criminal serving time in prison. He broke his parents' heart. I have been pretty distressed as well.
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  218. Ragno says:
    @AnotherDad
    I gotta think there's a Department of What the Heck is Killing the West in China somewhere that cataloges and studies what's going on here (and the rest of the AngloSphere) and Europe with the intent of figuring out what's destroying the West and making sure it doesn't do the same to China.

    I'm pretty sure those folks have already figured out these past few years that the only reasonable number of blacks is zero. And i've read--not sure how true it is--that there have been crackdowns on illegal immigrants (visa overstays, illegal businesses) in the small Chinese black community.

    I’m pretty sure (the Chinese) have already figured out these past few years that the only reasonable number of blacks is zero.

    A Jewish community numbered at zero is probably even healthier.

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  219. Twinkie says:
    @Jack D
    “While the evidence is patchy and incomplete, it does suggest that in 75-80% of intercountry adoptions the children and adolescents function well, with no more behavioral and educational problems at home and at school than other children.”

    So, stated in the converse, in 1 out of 4 or 5 Asian adoptions, the children do not function well and have more problems than other kids. While I agree this does not mean "most", that 25% of adoptees are troubled is a significant problem and a significant risk for parents considering adoption. A troubled child can turn your life upside down, end your marriage, cost you your job. There is nothing more painful than devoting decades of you life to a child and having that all treated as nothing or as if you have actually wronged them by doing so.

    Many (in fact "most") adoption stories have happy endings but some don't. You seem to have a personal stake in the idea that (in the case of Asians) they ALL turn out well with only very rare exceptions. 20 to 25% is not "rare". Now I realize that even this group is on a spectrum from mildly troubled to sociopathic, but it's not all rainbows and unicorns.

    So, stated in the converse, in 1 out of 4 or 5 Asian adoptions, the children do not function well and have more problems than other kids.

    No, Tizard’s 75-80% figure is for ALL intercountry adoptions, not just Asian. What the survey concludes is that most intercountry adoptions work out well, but adoptees from Korea are particularly successful, to wit “the Korean adoptees were better adapted than white U.S.-born adoptees.”

    You seem to have a personal stake in the idea that (in the case of Asians) they ALL turn out well with only very rare exceptions.

    Again, no. I was merely responding to the unproven – indeed, falsified – implication made earlier that non-white adoptees would not work out well. I responded thusly:

    Change “non white child” to “black child.” Adopted Asian children usually don’t create this kind of drama. Some may go through the “seeking birth mother/birth culture” phase, but most return and are grateful to their white parents. [Boldfaces added later.]

    I also added later that all the Asian adoptees *I* knew personally were successful professionals and married to whites, leading “white” lives. Some people here seem not to understand when I make generalized statements based on evidence as opposed to when I discuss my own personal acquaintances and experiences.

    Now I realize that even this group is on a spectrum from mildly troubled to sociopathic

    You read the conclusion incorrectly. Try again.

    it’s not all rainbows and unicorns.

    I never wrote that. Nothing is ever “all rainbows and unicorns,” not even raising your own high IQ, adorable, and well-adjusted children.

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    Some people here seem not to understand when I make generalized statements based on evidence as opposed to when I discuss my own personal acquaintances and experiences.
     
    Being misunderstood makes me sad too. :(
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  220. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @eah
    OT

    Not hate.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRhQAgLX4AEki86.jpg

    Now you are officially a Nazi if you have the same political beliefs as the men who defeated the Nazis.

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  221. @Bob Smith of Suburbia
    Who would ever dare fire her?

    Give me the chance.

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  222. @KM32
    Actually, in my experience, adopted children are quite frequently a nightmare regardless of their race. We all want to think they're like Anne of Green Gables or Gerald Ford, but most come from rough stock, where the parents didn't give a shit about their offspring, or they wouldn't have dumped them, brood parasite-style, on someone else.

    KM32, I live on a street that has unusual number of adopted children. My neighbor, four houses down, has two natural sons and two daughters from, I don’t know where, Central America. Their neighbors, directly across from them, have two natural sons and two Central American daughters. We live on a circle and there is a street that bisects the circle. One family on this cross street has three Asian (Chinese?) children, two girls, one boy. Another couple has a son and daughter they adopted from Russia. Two house away, the family had brothers that they adopted. One of these boys, white kids from a troubled background, torched the house killing the mother and seriously injuring the father. So many adoptees on one street with maybe 40 houses.

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    Nice try but that’s only an anecdote! Now if you had EVIDENCE something like …

    I know several Asian adoptees. All are profesionals, married to whites, and are basically whites in all but outward appearance.
     
    I might be convinced. Do you see the difference or are you stupid?
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  223. Bill says:
    @AndrewR
    I'm not defending this hateful, anti-white individual whose adoptive parents do seem far too good for her, but, as the son of an alcoholic, I am not going to judge her for feeling a need to publicly vent about her adoptive father's alcohol abuse. I don't know if Sailer thinks that people should never criticize their relatives publicly, or if he thinks that alcohol abusers in particular should get a pass, but Carroll's dad having his kid make a short mention of his alcohol abuse in some blog that maybe a thousand people around the world will read is a small price to pay for the burden his alcohol abuse has presumably put on his family. I have sympathy for people predisposed to alcoholism but I have no sympathy for those who choose to give in to it. My brother-in-law abused alcohol for years, but he quit cold-turkey, and has been completely sober for 20 years. If he can stay sober, anyone can.

    I don’t know if Sailer thinks that people should never criticize their relatives publicly . . . Carroll’s dad having his kid make a short mention of his alcohol abuse in some blog that maybe a thousand people around the world will read is a small price to pay for the burden his alcohol abuse has presumably put on his family.

    The Fourth Commandment isn’t about your parents. It’s about you.

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    Talmudian morality isn't really my thing, although some of it coincides with my own moral beliefs.

    I view the parent/child relationship as at least somewhat more reciprocal than a bronze age Hebrew may have. If you don't want your kids saying embarrassing things about you, try not doing things that would lead them to resent you.

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  224. Bill says:
    @gunner29

    If Trump had 10% of the discipline & focus of Obama, the borders would have been closed by now.
     
    He could have 1000% the focus and discipline of the gay mulatto, but as long as 75% of congress wants open borders, we will have open borders....he's President, not King.

    You don't realize what a "wind at his back" the gay mulatto had; 95% of the media thinking it a god. Both houses of Congress in the crazed dems hands. Trump has 5% of the media, and the GOPe and dems both willing to do anything to screw him..

    Then you have the deep state. You know, the GSA leftys that collected all the emails from Trump transition team and offered them to that sub-human, Mueller..That's what Trump is fighting.

    You don’t realize what a “wind at his back” the gay mulatto had;

    Indeed, if you firmly commit to going wherever the wind blows you, then you always have the wind at your back.

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  225. Brutusale says:
    @BozoB
    What's a WN?

    As Thomm has demonstrated many times on this blog, he has no idea.

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    As Thomm has demonstrated many times on this blog, he has no idea.
     
    He has no idea about many things.
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  226. @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    Umm.... just looking at her pic...I surely wouldn't jump to the conclusion that she wasn't getting hit on because of her race...

    Occam's razor and all of that.

    Tonto, years ago there were small toy dolls with googley eyes and a top knot called Trolls. Ms. Carroll is a troll clone.

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    Becky with the Bad Hair.
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  227. @Anonymous
    Poor son of that angry creature: he is no more than 25% black (probably less than that) but he's got a crazy mulatto mom who is doing everything she can to raise him culturally as black as possible.

    Anonymous, hmmm, not quite. If she wanted to raise her son as black as possible I suggest she moves with him to let’s say Ferguson, Mo. but first, dump her husband and get pregnant by some could care less thug. That would be authentic.

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  228. @Ragno
    You know, most of these diversity land-sharks are simply con-men; hustlers on the make working one of the more lucrative (and foolproof) scams going. Or, if they're true believers, they're like fools at a tent-show revival. You don't often come across the kind of actively-unprincipled malevolence of a Regina Carroll, a woman who is so well and truly hateful that you can't help but feel pity for the people unlucky enough to know her.

    Now that the actual menaces to American womanhood - Weinstein & Toback - have been disposed of, I very much fear the rest of this Grand Guignol social crusade will simply be a matter of empowering /weaponizing these kinds of self-obsessed neurotics with 15 minutes' carte blanche to take down as many successful and high-ranking men as they can. As "self-obsessed neurotics" describes most of the modern Left, you have to figure it's already happening.

    Yep. Like Jack D said, it’s great to see these guys fall, but the people who follow them will be much more like this crazy b***h. It’s not like Jimmy Stewart is walking through the door.

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  229. @RamonaQ
    She seems like a charming lady heres an essay about her 3 abortions.
    http://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/a4164/abortion-addiction/

    Ramona, thank you for the link. This should have been the first post, then we all would have realized what a shallow,disgusting person Ms. Carroll is.

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  230. donut says:

    White America has always had the means to deal with this Negro problem . Just not the will .

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  231. AndrewR says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    In case my comment was unclear, I was mocking Thomm’s formulations with a comparison to D’Souza’s hoary chestnut of late:

    Dinesh D’Souza: Democrats Are The Real Racists

    A contextually-related trope is horseshoe theory, ably explained here by Nathan Damigo, satirically channeling right-wing civic nationalist @USNJack:

    https://twitter.com/NathanDamigo/status/874340034966454276

    It’s true that some people sometimes use horseshoe theory inaccurately in order to make false equivalences, but there is a lot of truth to the theory.

    I watched the video of Jason Kessler at the Charlottesville city council meeting this week. As we know, antifa is full of violent authoritarians who want to force people to think and act the way that antifa wants. August 12, 2017 showed that abundantly clearly. But in the comments to Kessler’s video, someone says “white women who race mix should be shot”, and the comment has multiple likes. I’m sure that you too have seen such violent rhetoric from right-wingers.

    Are we supposed to believe these people are better than antifa? Are we supposed to believe that some forms of murderous totalitarianism are better than others? What, exactly, is your point in posting this video of Damigo? Yes, he did a good job of mocking the Oath Keeper cucks, but that doesn’t mean horseshoe theory is false.

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    It’s true that some people sometimes use horseshoe theory inaccurately in order to make false equivalences, but there is a lot of truth to the theory.
     
    My original comment indeed pointed out (as did others) the silliness of Thomm’s ahistorical red herring—and so I compared it to Dinesh D’Souza’s equally silly trolling of sorts. It’s like the old joke—“You know who else was a vegetarian?”—as if that’s what really mattered about Hitler. It’s the same with Thomm’s jokey post.

    Your comment’s thrust is unclear to me—you conflate examples of mob rule with anonymous “violent rhetoric” into all-around “murderous totalitarianism.” Most of us, i’m sure, disapprove of all of that—but it has nothing to do with Thomm’s post, which featured the weakest aspect of horseshoe theory.

    P.S., I posted the Damigo video because it’s funny and the mockery has truth to it.

    Note—I don’t actually dislike the Oath Keepers, they are solid on ‘muh Constitution,’ specifically the 2nd Amendment, which I also hold sacrosanct. Also, armed Oath Keeper types provided ‘security’ at Unite the Right, which could’ve gone much worse for Kessler & Spencer & Damigo & Co. if the militias were not there.

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  232. Her adoptive father David Carroll is a nature illustrator in the Audubon tradition…

    Okay, a lot of what is going on is this lady’s resentment for having to grow up without much money because her (adoptive) dad thinks he is some kind of Thoreau / Audubon genius with a calling to paint pictures of nature in a small town in New Hampshire…

    My guess is that her resentment of her adoptive father is only slightly racial in origin. He sounds like a man with strong opinions about lifestyle.

    This family sounds somewhat like Lena’s Dunhams. Not in structure but in ethnicity and worldview.

    Also coming to mind are the Wellivers (yes, Titus’s) , the Sedgwicks, the Wainwrights, and Steve’s friends, the Chapins.

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  233. helped get a disabled guy in a wheelchair… fired

    We could remake Battleship Potemkin with Miz Carroll and Mr Hockenberry thus:

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  234. Melendwyr says: • Website
    @Moses
    For some reason only non-Fellow White People Whites adopt babies of other races.

    I’ve never seen Asians, blacks or Fellow White People do it.

    What is it with Whites?

    The biggest issue is simply availability. The supply is greater and the demand not so much.

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  235. Twinkie says:
    @3g4me
    @150 Twinkie: "Show me."

    1. Anything I would link to you would immediately disqualify as being non-representative, or suspect for one reason or another. A pattern distinct to you, various other commenters here, a particular British grad school professor I recall, and the hubristic in general.

    2. The social sciences are a highly corrupt field filled with SJWs and the disciples of Franz Boas and his misbegotten ilk. There are studies that attempt to limit personal opinion and emotion and rely on data rather than self-justification and/or reporting, but then see reason #1.

    3. Your comments, over the months and years I've seen them, strongly imply your tremendous pride in your Han race and its putative intellectual and civilizational superiority. Combine with your churchianity and equal pride in your bride being a White woman with a long American pedigree, and it's fairly clear you regard your own progeny as superior specimens, particularly in comparison with mere mixed-European Whites.

    I love my own children, but prefer to see them as they are, not as I might prefer them to be, and I don't try to project my personal aspirations when attempting to predict how others of their race or society as a whole will regard them. Despite all your hauteur, your children's future affiliation will be, in large part, decided by who chooses to claim them as their own, not who they (far less you) think they ought to be part of. While they may look and be highly White in your eyes (just as John Derbyshire proclaimed his own children to be, whereas fwiw his daughter, in particular, looked wholly Asian to me and already allied herself with the various-hued SJWs in her support for Obama) they may not be so in others' and ultimately it's the others who will decide what racial mixture they are and where their allegiances lie.

    So you have nothing.

    Your comments, over the months and years I’ve seen them, strongly imply your tremendous pride in your Han race

    Buddy, take a deep breath and take a remedial reading course. I am not Han. I mentioned several times that I’m not ethnically Chinese.

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  236. Twinkie says:
    @keuril

    So, stated in the converse, in 1 out of 4 or 5 Asian adoptions, the children do not function well and have more problems than other kids.
     
    It’s almost as if there’s a 25% chance that your adopted Asian kid could be in the bottom quartile.

    No. Read again. Jack D misread the relevant passages.

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    , @keuril

    No. Read again. Jack D misread the relevant passages.
     
    No. Read again. You misread the relevant nuances.
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  237. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    So, stated in the converse, in 1 out of 4 or 5 Asian adoptions, the children do not function well and have more problems than other kids.
     
    No, Tizard's 75-80% figure is for ALL intercountry adoptions, not just Asian. What the survey concludes is that most intercountry adoptions work out well, but adoptees from Korea are particularly successful, to wit "the Korean adoptees were better adapted than white U.S.-born adoptees."

    You seem to have a personal stake in the idea that (in the case of Asians) they ALL turn out well with only very rare exceptions.
     
    Again, no. I was merely responding to the unproven - indeed, falsified - implication made earlier that non-white adoptees would not work out well. I responded thusly:

    Change “non white child” to “black child.” Adopted Asian children usually don’t create this kind of drama. Some may go through the “seeking birth mother/birth culture” phase, but most return and are grateful to their white parents. [Boldfaces added later.]
     
    I also added later that all the Asian adoptees *I* knew personally were successful professionals and married to whites, leading "white" lives. Some people here seem not to understand when I make generalized statements based on evidence as opposed to when I discuss my own personal acquaintances and experiences.

    Now I realize that even this group is on a spectrum from mildly troubled to sociopathic
     
    You read the conclusion incorrectly. Try again.

    it’s not all rainbows and unicorns.
     
    I never wrote that. Nothing is ever "all rainbows and unicorns," not even raising your own high IQ, adorable, and well-adjusted children.

    Some people here seem not to understand when I make generalized statements based on evidence as opposed to when I discuss my own personal acquaintances and experiences.

    Being misunderstood makes me sad too. :(

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  238. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    KM32, I live on a street that has unusual number of adopted children. My neighbor, four houses down, has two natural sons and two daughters from, I don't know where, Central America. Their neighbors, directly across from them, have two natural sons and two Central American daughters. We live on a circle and there is a street that bisects the circle. One family on this cross street has three Asian (Chinese?) children, two girls, one boy. Another couple has a son and daughter they adopted from Russia. Two house away, the family had brothers that they adopted. One of these boys, white kids from a troubled background, torched the house killing the mother and seriously injuring the father. So many adoptees on one street with maybe 40 houses.

    Nice try but that’s only an anecdote! Now if you had EVIDENCE something like …

    I know several Asian adoptees. All are profesionals, married to whites, and are basically whites in all but outward appearance.

    I might be convinced. Do you see the difference or are you stupid?

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    anonymous, I think you missed my point which was only that my street has a high number of adopted kids, not that white adopted kids are murderers. But anyhow, maybe I am stupid.
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  239. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    No. Read again. Jack D misread the relevant passages.

    #ReadingLevelsMatter

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    Do you actually have something substantive to add or are you just here for trolling?
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  240. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @3g4me
    @150 Twinkie: "Show me."

    1. Anything I would link to you would immediately disqualify as being non-representative, or suspect for one reason or another. A pattern distinct to you, various other commenters here, a particular British grad school professor I recall, and the hubristic in general.

    2. The social sciences are a highly corrupt field filled with SJWs and the disciples of Franz Boas and his misbegotten ilk. There are studies that attempt to limit personal opinion and emotion and rely on data rather than self-justification and/or reporting, but then see reason #1.

    3. Your comments, over the months and years I've seen them, strongly imply your tremendous pride in your Han race and its putative intellectual and civilizational superiority. Combine with your churchianity and equal pride in your bride being a White woman with a long American pedigree, and it's fairly clear you regard your own progeny as superior specimens, particularly in comparison with mere mixed-European Whites.

    I love my own children, but prefer to see them as they are, not as I might prefer them to be, and I don't try to project my personal aspirations when attempting to predict how others of their race or society as a whole will regard them. Despite all your hauteur, your children's future affiliation will be, in large part, decided by who chooses to claim them as their own, not who they (far less you) think they ought to be part of. While they may look and be highly White in your eyes (just as John Derbyshire proclaimed his own children to be, whereas fwiw his daughter, in particular, looked wholly Asian to me and already allied herself with the various-hued SJWs in her support for Obama) they may not be so in others' and ultimately it's the others who will decide what racial mixture they are and where their allegiances lie.

    Buddy, take a deep breath and take a remedial reading course. I am not Han. I mentioned several times that I’m not ethnically Chinese.

    Maybe you, stupid dumb me, and Jack D could form a poor readers support group. The first step is acknowledging we have a problem. Waddaya say?

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    @241 Anonymous: "Maybe you, stupid dumb me, and Jack D could form a poor readers support group. The first step is acknowledging we have a problem. Waddaya say?"

    I guess there's just no arguing with proclaimed truth. After all, immigrants are the real Americans - even experts like Brett Stephens have said so. We're supposed to bow deeply in respect to our betters, whose personal anecdotes are never presented as universal facts, whose children are always perfectly adapted, above average, and whiter than any European, and whose reading comprehension is dwarfed only by their wit and worldly wisdom. After all, non-immigrant Americans are all so provincial (I never said ALL - are you stupid?) and the received truth cannot be challenged, unless carefully footnoted and documented by pre-approved sources.

    Twinkie: isteve's very own Buwaya Puti. Because NAIALT, and "x" have always been the best proto-Americans.
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  241. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @keuril

    So, stated in the converse, in 1 out of 4 or 5 Asian adoptions, the children do not function well and have more problems than other kids.
     
    It’s almost as if there’s a 25% chance that your adopted Asian kid could be in the bottom quartile.

    You’re invited to join the poor readers support group too! :)

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  242. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    “While the evidence is patchy and incomplete, it does suggest that in 75-80% of intercountry adoptions the children and adolescents function well, with no more behavioral and educational problems at home and at school than other children.”

    So, stated in the converse, in 1 out of 4 or 5 Asian adoptions, the children do not function well and have more problems than other kids. While I agree this does not mean "most", that 25% of adoptees are troubled is a significant problem and a significant risk for parents considering adoption. A troubled child can turn your life upside down, end your marriage, cost you your job. There is nothing more painful than devoting decades of you life to a child and having that all treated as nothing or as if you have actually wronged them by doing so.

    Many (in fact "most") adoption stories have happy endings but some don't. You seem to have a personal stake in the idea that (in the case of Asians) they ALL turn out well with only very rare exceptions. 20 to 25% is not "rare". Now I realize that even this group is on a spectrum from mildly troubled to sociopathic, but it's not all rainbows and unicorns.

    You read the conclusion incorrectly. Try again.

    Jack D, join the poor readers support group! :) Together we can overcame!

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  243. Twinkie says:
    @anonymous
    #ReadingLevelsMatter

    Do you actually have something substantive to add or are you just here for trolling?

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    Do you actually have something substantive to add or are you just here for trolling?
     
    Always with the questions.

    Do you actually have something substantive to add
     
    Yes!

    or are you just here for trolling?
     
    Heckling not trolling. My Q to you: Shouldn't you be insulting my reading skills about now?
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  244. Twinkie says:
    @Johann Ricke

    Many (in fact “most”) adoption stories have happy endings but some don’t. You seem to have a personal stake in the idea that (in the case of Asians) they ALL turn out well with only very rare exceptions. 20 to 25% is not “rare”.
     
    That's not what the quoted article says, which is that if you're going to adopt, you can't do better than by adopting Koreans. Here's the relevant passage:

    Moreover, Korean children seem to be doing better than adoptees of other ethnic groups. Feigelman & Silverman stated, “We were surprised to find that the Korean adoptees were better adapted than white U.S.-born adoptees.”
     
    In other words, even white intra-racial adoption from US sources (i.e. not Russians, not Romanians) fared worse. That's a difficult standard to beat. I understand couples want adoptive children who look like them. But a key interest has to be acquiring children who will be a comfort to them in their old age. That the odds of a favorable outcome are better with Korean children than with white children is pretty striking.

    In other words, even white intra-racial adoption from US sources (i.e. not Russians, not Romanians) fared worse. That’s a difficult standard to beat… That the odds of a favorable outcome are better with Korean children than with white children is pretty striking.

    I suspect this is the result, because, as I alluded briefly earlier, there is a mix of selection issues at work. In the first place, with Koreans we are talking about a general population with a fairly high mean IQ.

    And then there is the issue of comparative selective mechanisms (of child abandonment) at work. Typically when whites in the U.S. abandon children, the birthmothers tend to be of low cognitive profile/education level/socio-economic class. Drug addicts are not uncommon.*

    In the case of Korean adoptees, especially those from the post-Korean War years, the issues with the birthmothers were temporary in nature, e.g. deaths of parents from the war, poverty and inability to support children during the very difficult immediate post-war years, out-of-wedlock births in a society with a very traditional more (Korea until fairly recently criminalized female adultery, and bastardy was extremely frowned upon socially, a common insult for ill-behaving children being “Are you a bastard? Do you not have a father? What’s wrong with your manners?”), and so on.

    So, the resulting children might be from temporarily desperate circumstances, but were not necessarily of lower or impaired cognitive or developmental profiles. In any case, the point is mostly moot as intercountry adoption of Korean children is just about nonexistent now. China is increasingly shutting the door too, for that matter.

    *A friend of mine and his wife (both whites) adopted a white baby boy about 30 years ago. Supposedly, the mother was a drug addict. I have known that kid for about 20 years. He was the sweetest, nicest kid when he was little. Very sadly, he went bad with drugs at some point and is now a criminal serving time in prison. He broke his parents’ heart. I have been pretty distressed as well.

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  245. Twinkie says:
    @AnotherDad

    You may continue to claim your own mixed progeny is perfectly well adapted and blended, but overall experience and statistics would prove you wrong. Interracial marriage and interracial adoption joins that which both God and biology separated, and the results are not particularly pretty – either aesthetically or psychologically.
     
    Mostly "what Jack said".

    But let me toss in a key point. Interracial adoption and marriage are two very different things.

    Adoption is generally fraught. Most kids are fine, but many have issues. (Children should be with their natural parents if at all possible.) Transracial takes the issue to another level of incompatibility and adds some stress. Twinkie's probably right that his people's kids do better in these transracial adoptions (by white) people than the norm. That's because they are generally more compliant and higher-IQ than the norm. But in the "diversity!" world we live in even these pretty compliant kids are being handed an axe to grind.

    Mostly what the adoption experience teaches is genes matter. At the environmental level of modern America--sufficient protein, vitamins, calories and universal public education--especially middle class modern America, nature is so wholly dominant over nurture it's a genuine ass whooping. Adoptive parents find out, the cake was baked somewhere else.

    I'd encourage anyone wanting kids and considering (non-family) adoption to take a deep breath and understand that. We have all sorts of fancy fertility technology today that allow more people to have their own children and even if that's not possible to have children from their own family lines. Children that will be theirs.

    ~~

    In contrast inter-racial marriage produces children who actually are their parents' children.

    I definitely think it's foolish for any white person to dip into the black pool. It just seems like the height of silliness to take on--and associate even your own self, not to mention your children--with all that whining and resentment. Plus all the IQ and personality issues you're inflicting on your kids. (White women chasing black penis and doing this should indeed be shamed and called what they are.)

    But other combinations ... just doesn't seem like a big deal. In America at least those kids--at least raised by middle class parents in middle class neighborhoods--seem to be pretty comfortable being white. The real critiera are the same ones people should always be considering in a spouse--high character, shared values, intelligence, health, good interpersonal fit, orientation to family, strong sexual attraction, not a doofus with money, etc. etc. Those things easily outweigh the salience of "race" among the "out of Africa" races.

    Transracial takes the issue to another level of incompatibility and adds some stress. Twinkie’s probably right that his people’s kids do better in these transracial adoptions (by white) people than the norm.

    Actually, studies show that Korean children adopted by white parents do better than even white babies adopted by white parents in-country. And by “better” I don’t mean just academically. As I noted earlier in another comment, I suspect the reason is mostly one of different selection mechanism.

    The real critiera are the same ones people should always be considering in a spouse–high character, shared values, intelligence, health, good interpersonal fit, orientation to family, strong sexual attraction, not a doofus with money, etc. etc. Those things easily outweigh the salience of “race” among the “out of Africa” races.

    This is the most sensible thing I’ve read in this thread so far.

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    ... studies show ...
     
    Color me convinced! ;)
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  246. AndrewR says:
    @Bill

    I don’t know if Sailer thinks that people should never criticize their relatives publicly . . . Carroll’s dad having his kid make a short mention of his alcohol abuse in some blog that maybe a thousand people around the world will read is a small price to pay for the burden his alcohol abuse has presumably put on his family.
     
    The Fourth Commandment isn't about your parents. It's about you.

    Talmudian morality isn’t really my thing, although some of it coincides with my own moral beliefs.

    I view the parent/child relationship as at least somewhat more reciprocal than a bronze age Hebrew may have. If you don’t want your kids saying embarrassing things about you, try not doing things that would lead them to resent you.

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    . If you don’t want your kids saying embarrassing things about you, try not doing things that would lead them to resent you.

    The capacity of people to resent their mother and father is endless.
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  247. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    Do you actually have something substantive to add or are you just here for trolling?

    Do you actually have something substantive to add or are you just here for trolling?

    Always with the questions.

    Do you actually have something substantive to add

    Yes!

    or are you just here for trolling?

    Heckling not trolling. My Q to you: Shouldn’t you be insulting my reading skills about now?

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  248. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    For those of you keeping score:

    *A friend of mine and his wife (both whites) adopted a white baby boy about 30 years ago. Supposedly, the mother was a drug addict. I have known that kid for about 20 years. He was the sweetest, nicest kid when he was little. Very sadly, he went bad with drugs at some point and is now a criminal serving time in prison. He broke his parents’ heart. I have been pretty distressed as well.

    This is not, not, not, anecdotal.

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  249. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    Transracial takes the issue to another level of incompatibility and adds some stress. Twinkie’s probably right that his people’s kids do better in these transracial adoptions (by white) people than the norm.
     
    Actually, studies show that Korean children adopted by white parents do better than even white babies adopted by white parents in-country. And by "better" I don't mean just academically. As I noted earlier in another comment, I suspect the reason is mostly one of different selection mechanism.

    The real critiera are the same ones people should always be considering in a spouse–high character, shared values, intelligence, health, good interpersonal fit, orientation to family, strong sexual attraction, not a doofus with money, etc. etc. Those things easily outweigh the salience of “race” among the “out of Africa” races.
     
    This is the most sensible thing I've read in this thread so far.

    … studies show …

    Color me convinced! ;)

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  250. @AndrewR
    It's true that some people sometimes use horseshoe theory inaccurately in order to make false equivalences, but there is a lot of truth to the theory.

    I watched the video of Jason Kessler at the Charlottesville city council meeting this week. As we know, antifa is full of violent authoritarians who want to force people to think and act the way that antifa wants. August 12, 2017 showed that abundantly clearly. But in the comments to Kessler's video, someone says "white women who race mix should be shot", and the comment has multiple likes. I'm sure that you too have seen such violent rhetoric from right-wingers.

    Are we supposed to believe these people are better than antifa? Are we supposed to believe that some forms of murderous totalitarianism are better than others? What, exactly, is your point in posting this video of Damigo? Yes, he did a good job of mocking the Oath Keeper cucks, but that doesn't mean horseshoe theory is false.

    It’s true that some people sometimes use horseshoe theory inaccurately in order to make false equivalences, but there is a lot of truth to the theory.

    My original comment indeed pointed out (as did others) the silliness of Thomm’s ahistorical red herring—and so I compared it to Dinesh D’Souza’s equally silly trolling of sorts. It’s like the old joke—“You know who else was a vegetarian?”—as if that’s what really mattered about Hitler. It’s the same with Thomm’s jokey post.

    Your comment’s thrust is unclear to me—you conflate examples of mob rule with anonymous “violent rhetoric” into all-around “murderous totalitarianism.” Most of us, i’m sure, disapprove of all of that—but it has nothing to do with Thomm’s post, which featured the weakest aspect of horseshoe theory.

    P.S., I posted the Damigo video because it’s funny and the mockery has truth to it.

    Note—I don’t actually dislike the Oath Keepers, they are solid on ‘muh Constitution,’ specifically the 2nd Amendment, which I also hold sacrosanct. Also, armed Oath Keeper types provided ‘security’ at Unite the Right, which could’ve gone much worse for Kessler & Spencer & Damigo & Co. if the militias were not there.

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    How is "[people who engage in behavior I dislike] should be killed" not violent rhetoric? Putting scarequotes around that tells me you are intellectually dishonest. Duly noted.
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  251. Bill says:

    First, it’s not Talmudic at all. Talmudic is not a synonym for Jewish, and the Ten Commandments are in the Pentateuch (Torah), not the Talmud. Second, although it is Jewish, it isn’t distinctively Jewish. It’s part of Natural Law and thus recognized by all civilizations.

    If you don’t want your kids saying embarrassing things about you, try not doing things that would lead them to resent you.

    This doesn’t modify the principle of filial piety: it completely vitiates it.

    You’re not rebelling against the Jews, here. You’re rebelling against civilization. What you say above is something Anton LaVey would be quite comfortable with. In fact, he said things very much like that. It’s just mindless vandalism. The Fourth Commandment isn’t about your parents. It’s about you.

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    I fail to see how being open about one's father's alcohol abuse will destroy civilization... or at least how it could be more harmful to civilization than one's father's alcohol abuse.

    Alcohol abusers rely on others making excuses for them and helping to cover up their excessive drinking.

    While we're on the subject of ancient Hebrews: how did they deal with alcohol abuse?
    , @AndrewR
    Also, isn't "filial piety" a Confucian concept similar to but not equivalent to the "Fourth Commandment"? Wikipedia (which admittedly always must be taken with a grain of salt) backs me up on this. The article for Filial Piety is entirely about the Confucian concept.

    But here's what at least one rabbi has said about honoring thy parents:

    It is the duty of both men and women to honour their parents. However, a married woman, who owes devotion to her husband, is exempt from the precept of honouring her parents. Yet, she is obliged to do for the parents, all she can, if her husband does not object.
     

    Under this reading, one could plausibly argue that Ms. Carroll may not have single-handedly destroyed civilization if she got permission from her husband to commit the grievous atrocity of briefly mentioning her dad drinks vodka every afternoon regardless of location.

    How you like them apples, rabbi?

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  252. keuril says:
    @Twinkie
    No. Read again. Jack D misread the relevant passages.

    No. Read again. Jack D misread the relevant passages.

    No. Read again. You misread the relevant nuances.

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    Tizard’s number refers to ALL “intercountry” adoptions, not Asian or Korean ones.
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  253. Twinkie says:
    @keuril

    No. Read again. Jack D misread the relevant passages.
     
    No. Read again. You misread the relevant nuances.

    Tizard’s number refers to ALL “intercountry” adoptions, not Asian or Korean ones.

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  254. Mr. Anon says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    No, he isn’t. That notion is ridiculous, ahistorical nonsense.
     
    The Nazis were National Socialists, and socialism is the heart of all Leftist schemes. (You don't really think their choice of red was accidental, do you?) Attempts, such as yours, to place them on the right is anachronistic, at best. The Left end of the spectrum is totalitarian tyranny, the Right is anarchy. Your formulation is why we see confused posters using oxymorons as handles (Leftist Conservative, Left Libertarian), and why they pretend their version of socialism will turn out well. Lord Acton knew better.

    Mislabelling something as important as the political spectrum impairs clear reasoning. You are accepting a leftist definition that makes fighting the Left much more difficult than it should be.

    The Nazis were National Socialists,….

    No, they called themselves “National Socialists”. Just as the Democrats call themselves “Democrats” despite being deeply anti-democratic. The NSDAP started as a socialist party, but there was little enough socialism in it by the time they attained power that industrialists and a very conservative army were willing to back them. Bismarck introduced social welfare schemes to the second Reich. Was Bismarck a left-winger?

    ………and socialism is the heart of all Leftist schemes.

    No, the heart of left-wing schemes is the assault on tradition. Socialism, though often a part of that, need not be.

    (You don’t really think their choice of red was accidental, do you?)

    No, because red is highly visible and attention getting. The British naval ensign and the US Marine Corps flag are red. Is the Royal navy left-wing? Are the Marines?

    Attempts, such as yours, to place them on the right is anachronistic, at best.

    What? You are the one being anachronistic here. The Nazis were understood at the time, and both by themselves and their enemies, as being right-wing.

    The Left end of the spectrum is totalitarian tyranny, the Right is anarchy.

    So………..Prince Kropotkin and Leon Czolgosz were rightists? Metternich, Napoleon, Tsar Nicholas, and Winston Churchill were anarchists? You don’t know what you are talking about.

    Your formulation is why we see confused posters using oxymorons as handles (Leftist Conservative, Left Libertarian),………..

    No, they use those handles because they are confused. Just as you seem to be. You should read some actual history books, rather than getting it from Jonah Goldberg, or Rush Limbaugh, or whatever other bowlderized, comic-book source you’ve learned it from. There is more to history than just American history of the last fifty years, and it’s peculiar definition of “conservative”.

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  255. Mr. Anon says:
    @Brutusale
    As Thomm has demonstrated many times on this blog, he has no idea.

    As Thomm has demonstrated many times on this blog, he has no idea.

    He has no idea about many things.

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  256. Thomm says:
    @anonguy

    women don’t see WNs as romantic prospects.
     
    I'd say they are down around the level of pedophiles in the average women's estimation.

    And rightly so.

    Just as patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel, white nationalism is the last refuge of a loser and women famously don't consider losers romantic prospects.

    How many of the MGTOW guys are alt-right as well? I'd guess approximately 100%, and add that it isn't just a coincidence.

    I’d say they are down around the level of pedophiles in the average women’s estimation.

    And rightly so.

    Just as patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel, white nationalism is the last refuge of a loser and women famously don’t consider losers romantic prospects.

    100% agree. WNs represent waste matter that is generated in the evolutionary process. The female versions of WNs are fat bluehaired feminists.

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  257. Thomm says:
    @Pericles
    The high-achieving White hands his daughters over to blacks if there are only WNs to choose from. Mulatto grandchildren are acceptable or rather desirable to the high-achieving White, if the alternative is White grandchildren with WNs.

    The high-achieving White hands his daughters over to blacks if there are only WNs to choose from. Mulatto grandchildren are acceptable or rather desirable to the high-achieving White, if the alternative is White grandchildren with WNs.

    Yes, because the high-achieving white knows that the WN represents genetic waste matter. It makes no sense for a decent girl to mate with a WN than for someone to eat their own feces for a second digestion.

    WNs represent the waste matter of a high-churn genetic process that produces superb whites on the other end.

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    You have a limited repertoire of stock talking points that you repeat over and over. You are obviously of very limited intellect - a dull-minded blow-hard, like "Truth". Are you a stupid black man?
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  258. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    No, he isn’t. That notion is ridiculous, ahistorical nonsense.
     
    The Nazis were National Socialists, and socialism is the heart of all Leftist schemes. (You don't really think their choice of red was accidental, do you?) Attempts, such as yours, to place them on the right is anachronistic, at best. The Left end of the spectrum is totalitarian tyranny, the Right is anarchy. Your formulation is why we see confused posters using oxymorons as handles (Leftist Conservative, Left Libertarian), and why they pretend their version of socialism will turn out well. Lord Acton knew better.

    Mislabelling something as important as the political spectrum impairs clear reasoning. You are accepting a leftist definition that makes fighting the Left much more difficult than it should be.

    Actually the National Socialists were “radical centrists”. Their name was a combination of Nationalist and Socialist. They promoted themselves as the enemies of the far Left and the far Right alike. (That said, the enemies that actually came against them to fight were overwhelmingly the reds: the Right was too weak to offer anything but intellectual opposition. The antifas fought and fought hard, of course the Nazis had better thugs and thumped them, then purged the thuggiest in the Night of Long Knives.)

    Both the Left and the Right were utterly dysfunctional. Hitler saw a path to power right straight through the center, and he took it.

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  259. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @KM32
    Actually, in my experience, adopted children are quite frequently a nightmare regardless of their race. We all want to think they're like Anne of Green Gables or Gerald Ford, but most come from rough stock, where the parents didn't give a shit about their offspring, or they wouldn't have dumped them, brood parasite-style, on someone else.

    One of the reason I shit on prolifers whenever possible despite considerable sympathy for getting rid of abortion-on-demand is their constant bleating of adoption as The Solution.

    It isn’t.

    Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t. But it is considerably more likely to be a nightmare than having your own kids.

    Famous adoptees more likely had good outcomes because famous people are more often successful than unsuccessful, unless they are famous for crime or corruption. But we tend to extrapolate from the famous ones instead of the anonymous failures who made their parents’ lives miserable.

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    One of the reason I shit on prolifers whenever possible despite considerable sympathy for getting rid of abortion-on-demand is their constant bleating of adoption as The Solution.

    It isn’t.


    It is. People's capacity to be dissatisfied with life is quite extensive, whether or not they're adopted.
    , @Anon

    One of the reason I shit on prolifers
     
    Ah, you must be one of those Hindoos everybody keeps talking about.
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  260. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Cortes
    I think we might be getting to the stage of having to acknowledge that blackness is in the eye of the beholder, because she doesn’t look very close to being black to my eyes. She’s a poster girl for the old song about turning out “coffee coloured people by the score.”
    Perhaps it’s the white part of her which determines the shittiness displayed. I wonder if any genuinely black academic has made a study of the phenomenon of accentuated positive identifications in mestizo culture? Because mestizo is what she is.
    Not black. Not White. Mestizo.

    Mulatto, not mestizo.

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  261. AndrewR says:
    @Bill
    First, it's not Talmudic at all. Talmudic is not a synonym for Jewish, and the Ten Commandments are in the Pentateuch (Torah), not the Talmud. Second, although it is Jewish, it isn't distinctively Jewish. It's part of Natural Law and thus recognized by all civilizations.

    If you don’t want your kids saying embarrassing things about you, try not doing things that would lead them to resent you.
     
    This doesn't modify the principle of filial piety: it completely vitiates it.

    You're not rebelling against the Jews, here. You're rebelling against civilization. What you say above is something Anton LaVey would be quite comfortable with. In fact, he said things very much like that. It's just mindless vandalism. The Fourth Commandment isn't about your parents. It's about you.

    I fail to see how being open about one’s father’s alcohol abuse will destroy civilization… or at least how it could be more harmful to civilization than one’s father’s alcohol abuse.

    Alcohol abusers rely on others making excuses for them and helping to cover up their excessive drinking.

    While we’re on the subject of ancient Hebrews: how did they deal with alcohol abuse?

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    I fail to see why you take her remarks about her father at face value.

    That aside, no one suggested it would destroy civilization. They did suggest it was cheap and, in fact, sinful to gratuitously reveal someone else's flaws.
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  262. eah says:
    @eah
    This is what they actually believe.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRiZhLMXcAA5jD_.jpg
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  263. @Anon
    I disagree with Obama on many issues but he is not trash. The man is remarkably disciplined and has conducted himself with dignity in the office (even if he acted in interests of democratic party rather than the US). If Trump had 10% of the discipline & focus of Obama, the borders would have been closed by now.

    Well, well, it goes to show that cuckery is big even among people with alternative views. I guess staking one's worth by praising Negroes is too deeply ingrained in the American Psyche.

    Now, Obama is not trash in the sense of rappers and such. But we need judge a man by substance, not style. If ou look at his style, it too is cheap and trashy.

    First, what was Obama as a young man? A pothead and hedonist shitter. But okay, let's cut him some slack because young people act stupid. With affirmative action, he got into Harvard, and simply because he was a well-behaved black guy, they elevated him to Harvard Law Review status. What did he do? Nothing.



    After college, what did he achieve? Nothing. He hardly had any academic achievements. What did he accomplish as a politician? Again, zero. So, what was he doing all these years? He knew he could just coast on Jewish Power. He knew what the elites were looking for, and he created his Persona as The One, the Son that Oprah never had. So, all he did was practice before a mirror and shake the right hands and... wait.
    So, a total zero got all the accolades and support despite having no history of any achievement whatsoever. I find that pretty trashy. A cheap hustler just playing on white hopes based on 'white guilt'. It sure worked on you. How noble of you to praise a clean-cut black guy.
    Obama was just a hustler and thief. He got by on style. Granted, he was clever enough to play to the power to get the power. But he was never going to be anything more than the Puppet of those who paid and paved his way.

    Also, it's easy to look 'dignified' if all the media, academia, and Hollywood are fawning on you and giving you the Nobel prize for having done nothing. Imagine if the Media had decided to as tough on Obama as it was on Trump. Obama would have cried, sulked, and folded. He's shown time and again what a thin-skinned self-aggrandizing prick he is. But the media covered up for him, massaged him, and sucked him off. And Obama basked in Third Worldish cult of the Big Man. It was all so shameless and disgusting. But to you, that is 'dignified'. A hustler playing the role of messiah of hope. Gimme a break.
    Obama also cut in line. Say whatever you will about Hillary, but she paid her dues. She was right by Billy Boy and did her gig as Senator. 2008 was supposed to be her year. Cuz Obama was younger, he could have waited. But he just cut in line and destroyed Hillary's chances to be president forever. Where do you see dignity or integrity in that? I just see egomania.

    Also, his choice for wife shows he has no taste. Michelle is a gross woman. Disgusting, and Obama raised his girl to be trashy. Hardly better than Billy Boy and the Bushes that are just rich trash now.

    In the most superficial way, one might Obama is clean-cut and dignified. But it's all style, and it's not hard to do. It's what Will Smith does. Any black actor can play 'dignified' in certain movie roles. The magic negro shtick. And that's what Obama did. But that's just style. Let's look at substance. He totally paved the way for vile and gross homomania. He filled up Oval Office with degenerates off all kind. That is substance, and it was just disgusting. And who did he hang with? Rappers and egotistical celebrities. Some taste. And he spent more time playing golf since his job was mostly to obey his Jewish and Homo bosses.

    And Mr. post-racial decided to throw his brothas a bone and unleashed BLM that led to massive crime climb. Everyone of his interventions on race matters was ugly and vulgar and trashy. Like his siding with Henry Louis Gates against a cop who was only doing his job. His BS about Trayvon Martin. The mess in Ferguson, again vindicated by facts that the black guy was the thug. His elevated tone when speaking total nonsense makes his false dignity even more false. No better than a cheap televangelist.

    And in foreign policy? Obama, Mr. Dignity, destroyed Libya, aided terrorists in Syria, let Neocons hire Nazis to mess up Ukraine, and messed up relations with Russia over homo parades. Is that dignity?

    Now, keep in mind that Obama had the media and establishment supporting him all along. And even the GOP that won both houses hardly opposed Obo's globo agenda. And yet, his presidency has been one big clusterfuc*. In fact, it's worse than Bush's. At least moron Bush had 9/11 as excuse to mess up the world. Obama had no such excuse, but he did the bidding of his donors just the same, and he messed up the Middle East royally. And his destruction of Libya led to Afro-invasion of Europe. Yet, you say he was dignified. You cucky-wuck. Someone's gotta toughen you up. You're wasting the aprons on the wrong guy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQAwRpRe9F4

    Now, Trump has lots of problems too. And he is trashy in his own way. But he doesn't pretend to have the dignity he doesn't have. And that's good because US politics is about pimps and whores, and anyone who pretends to have dignity is either a liar or delusional idiot. I find Trump's vulgarity to be refreshing since America is such a cesspool of moral rot and degeneracy. A nation where sophisticated people's idea of morality is letting guys with wigs go wee wee in ladies room. And this goes for Conservatives too, these lowlife cowards who cower and pee their pants and act tough only against Palestinians, Iranians, and Russians cuz their donors tell them to.

    Also, suppose Trump had been given the media treatment that Obama got in 2008. He would won by a superduper landslide against Hillary. Trump won despite everything thrown at him. If he gotten a fair break from media, he would have won much more bigly.

    Also, suppose the media and deep state had been supportive of Trump in ways that they were with Obama. Trump would have gotten a lot done. Instead, his presidency has been under siege from day one, not least by the very people around him.
    From day one of his presidency, Deep State and entire media have been trying to derail him. If such had been done to Obama, he would have just given up. He's the sort of wuss who seems strong only with wind on his back. Trump had to weather the storm. True, Trump is a shady character, but no ordinary man could have done what he did.

    You don't know what dignity is because you're too much of cucky wuck.

    Bravo. Absolutely agree. Very well said.

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  264. @rogue-one
    I disagree with Obama on many issues but he is not trash. The man is remarkably disciplined and has conducted himself with dignity in the office (even if he acted in interests of democratic party rather than the US).

    If Trump had 10% of the discipline & focus of Obama, the borders would have been closed by now.

    This is one of the stupidest and out of touch comments I have ever read on this blog.

    Your comment is of the type that warrants a biting commentary from our esteemed host when it is published in the MSM as “news”.

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  265. Art Deco says:
    @Anonymous

    A certain % of adopted children are deeply unhappy people (and often, like this woman, they try to make everyone around them as miserable as they are). ...Kids can develop issues with bonding and trust that can never be overcome, no matter how well treated they are by their adoptive parents. Racial differences only make this worse.
     
    The real issue - often unacknowledged by the adoptee - is resentment for having been ABANDONED by BOTH birth parents. This resentment is often - ironically - projeted onto the adoptive parents who are blamed for facilitating the abandonment of the adoptee by the birth parents.

    Obama is a classic example, publishing "Dreams from my Father" about a man - likely NOT his bio dad - whom he saw for no more than 2 hours in his whole life, while making derogatory statements about his grandparents (de facto adoptive parents) and ignoring his birth mother as she lay dying of cancer.

    ("Dreams from my Father" is, of course, ghostwritten but clearly reflects the psychological reality of young Barry Dunham who only took the name Obama in his 20s, having in the meantime been abandoned again, by his step dad Soetoro.)

    Obama is a classic example, publishing “Dreams from my Father” about a man – likely NOT his bio dad – whom he saw for no more than 2 hours in his whole life, while making derogatory statements about his grandparents (de facto adoptive parents) and ignoring his birth mother as she lay dying of cancer.

    Barack Obama, Sr. was his father. He spent about 5 weeks with him in 1971.

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  266. Art Deco says:
    @Anonymous
    One of the reason I shit on prolifers whenever possible despite considerable sympathy for getting rid of abortion-on-demand is their constant bleating of adoption as The Solution.

    It isn't.

    Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. But it is considerably more likely to be a nightmare than having your own kids.

    Famous adoptees more likely had good outcomes because famous people are more often successful than unsuccessful, unless they are famous for crime or corruption. But we tend to extrapolate from the famous ones instead of the anonymous failures who made their parents' lives miserable.

    One of the reason I shit on prolifers whenever possible despite considerable sympathy for getting rid of abortion-on-demand is their constant bleating of adoption as The Solution.

    It isn’t.

    It is. People’s capacity to be dissatisfied with life is quite extensive, whether or not they’re adopted.

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  267. AndrewR says:
    @Bill
    First, it's not Talmudic at all. Talmudic is not a synonym for Jewish, and the Ten Commandments are in the Pentateuch (Torah), not the Talmud. Second, although it is Jewish, it isn't distinctively Jewish. It's part of Natural Law and thus recognized by all civilizations.

    If you don’t want your kids saying embarrassing things about you, try not doing things that would lead them to resent you.
     
    This doesn't modify the principle of filial piety: it completely vitiates it.

    You're not rebelling against the Jews, here. You're rebelling against civilization. What you say above is something Anton LaVey would be quite comfortable with. In fact, he said things very much like that. It's just mindless vandalism. The Fourth Commandment isn't about your parents. It's about you.

    Also, isn’t “filial piety” a Confucian concept similar to but not equivalent to the “Fourth Commandment”? Wikipedia (which admittedly always must be taken with a grain of salt) backs me up on this. The article for Filial Piety is entirely about the Confucian concept.

    But here’s what at least one rabbi has said about honoring thy parents:

    It is the duty of both men and women to honour their parents. However, a married woman, who owes devotion to her husband, is exempt from the precept of honouring her parents. Yet, she is obliged to do for the parents, all she can, if her husband does not object.

    Under this reading, one could plausibly argue that Ms. Carroll may not have single-handedly destroyed civilization if she got permission from her husband to commit the grievous atrocity of briefly mentioning her dad drinks vodka every afternoon regardless of location.

    How you like them apples, rabbi?

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    Also, isn’t “filial piety” a Confucian concept similar to but not equivalent to the “Fourth Commandment”?
     
    That's what I said.

    Under this reading, one could plausibly argue . . .
     
    There is an actual world with actual things in it. A world which exists independently of words. Perhaps shockingly to some, pushing words around like a precocious eight year old (or a Talmudist) is not a good way to learn about it. It's especially not a good idea if reading comprehension is not a strength.
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  268. Art Deco says:
    @Anonymous

    A certain % of adopted children are deeply unhappy people (and often, like this woman, they try to make everyone around them as miserable as they are). ...Kids can develop issues with bonding and trust that can never be overcome, no matter how well treated they are by their adoptive parents. Racial differences only make this worse.
     
    The real issue - often unacknowledged by the adoptee - is resentment for having been ABANDONED by BOTH birth parents. This resentment is often - ironically - projeted onto the adoptive parents who are blamed for facilitating the abandonment of the adoptee by the birth parents.

    Obama is a classic example, publishing "Dreams from my Father" about a man - likely NOT his bio dad - whom he saw for no more than 2 hours in his whole life, while making derogatory statements about his grandparents (de facto adoptive parents) and ignoring his birth mother as she lay dying of cancer.

    ("Dreams from my Father" is, of course, ghostwritten but clearly reflects the psychological reality of young Barry Dunham who only took the name Obama in his 20s, having in the meantime been abandoned again, by his step dad Soetoro.)

    (“Dreams from my Father” is, of course, ghostwritten but clearly reflects the psychological reality of young Barry Dunham who only took the name Obama in his 20s, having in the meantime been abandoned again, by his step dad Soetoro.)

    The name on his birth certificate is ‘Obama’. He never carried the surname ‘Dunham’. His mother registered him for school in Indonesia in 1967 with the name ‘Soetero’. He wasn’t abandoned by Lolo Soetero. The separation from Soetero was an initiative of his mother’s.

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  269. Art Deco says:
    @AndrewR
    I fail to see how being open about one's father's alcohol abuse will destroy civilization... or at least how it could be more harmful to civilization than one's father's alcohol abuse.

    Alcohol abusers rely on others making excuses for them and helping to cover up their excessive drinking.

    While we're on the subject of ancient Hebrews: how did they deal with alcohol abuse?

    I fail to see why you take her remarks about her father at face value.

    That aside, no one suggested it would destroy civilization. They did suggest it was cheap and, in fact, sinful to gratuitously reveal someone else’s flaws.

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    Why shouldn't we take her remarks at face value? Her father's alleged behavior is very typical of alcohol abusers.

    And Bill explicitly suggested that the act of publicly criticizing one's father is antithetical to civilization.

    Cheap and sinful? Perhaps. I don't
    agree, nor would many people. You are free to cover up for your father's alcohol abuse. Don't criticize others for not doing so.
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