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Commenter Almost Missouri writes:

Another thing is that Federal agencies like the FBI and ATF mainly employ young-to-middle-aged white guys, so if your organization looks like that, they’re all set to infiltrate you. If your org is full of weedy Near Easterners or scabrous ghetto thugs, well, you can go your way unmolested by the Feds.

From my review of the 2001 movie Spy Game starring Robert Redford and Brad Pitt as undercover CIA agents operating in China, Vietnam, and Lebanon:

If all CIA covert operatives look like Robert Redford and Brad Pitt, the stars of the snazzy but brainless “Spy Game,” it’s no wonder our spooks have proven so ineffectual ever since the fall of the Berlin Wall deprived them of a blond enemy they could infiltrate. …

“Spy Game” is set in 1991, when retiring master spy Redford learns that his protégé Pitt has been arrested in China. (The wily Communists caught him by using the sophisticated counter-espionage technique of noticing that Brad Pitt isn’t Chinese.) …

I last saw Redford play a CIA man outwitting his heartless Agency superiors in 1975′s “Three Days of the Condor.” In the quarter century since, my own hair has deteriorated sadly. Yet, I’m happy to say, not a hair on Redford’s 64-year-old head has changed, other than that the passing decades seem to have infused his hair with even more body.

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“Bridge of Spies”

Actually, in most movies hostile to the CIA, you can usually tell who is the CIA agent by his thinning hair.

I Googled for evidence for this perception of mine and found a good quote in a recent book entitled The CIA in Hollywood: How the Agency Shapes Film and Television by Tricia Jenkins:

“CIA higher-ups were almost always portrayed as cruel, devious, and incompetent uber-WASPs with thin lips and thinning hair.”

But it turns out that is from my review of another CIA movie, The Recruit.

Anyway, are there ethnic differences in tendency to have thinning hair? I could imagine that American Indians don’t have much of it, but among whites, it mostly seems to come up as a WASP stereotype in CIA movies.

 
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  1. MC says:

    Scandinavians and fair haired English go bald early. It’s a running joke that BYU, which has lots of descendants of early Scandinavian and English Mormon converts, has the highest proportion of bald men in their early twenties of anywhere in the world.

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  2. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I doubt that amongst European ethnicities, at least, there are significant differences in ‘hair thinning rates’. The statistic that seems to pop up is that the incidence of full-blown male pattern baldness seems to equate with chronological age, that is, it is often cited that 50% are ‘bald’ at age 50.
    Just by my own observations, looking out of bus windows etc during idle ‘Galtonian’ moments, (he was a baldy, as was his cousin Darwin), that seems just about right. The recent trend to fully shaving partially bald heads, a la Kojak – back in the 70s the ‘Kojak’ or ‘Yul Brynner’ as it was then called was significantly egregious for schoolboys to point out and remark – has made a difference. Back in the day, the ‘comb-over’ as famously sported by Bobby Charlton, Arthur Scargill, Robert Robinson and others was, more or less, due figure, thus making ‘thinning hair’ more conspicuous. The baldy, shaving thing seems to have kicked off, in the UK at least, by characters in the TV soap ‘EastEnders’. It’s no older than 25 years old.
    Not to insult the follically challenged here reading this, who I am sure are decent chaps, the Hollywood association between thinning hair and ‘cold’ villianry is probably due to the counterpoint with the hero’s lush, flowing boyish locks, the association of balding with age and loss of looks – and thus the descent into bitterness, the reverse Samson effect of perceived physical weakness – not true, of course – thus associating thinning hair in the childish ‘black-hat, white-hat’ world of Hollywood with the ‘sinister’.
    But, on the other hand, ‘good ol’ Benny Hill’ managed to commit the ultimate crime of blaspheming baldness with his well remembered slap-slap-slappy ‘comic’ profanation of the pate of Jacky Wright – for that was his name.

    Anyway, I most sincerely apologise to the follically challegened reading this. I fully understand the pain and anguish.

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    • Replies: @CK
    The good lord in his infinite wisdom made very few visually perfect extremities, the rest he camouflaged with hair.
    , @Anonymous
    Jackie Wright.
    A bald pate, if not face to still instantly recognizable 40 years on. Universally known and loved everywhere from Vladivostok to Istanbul. Comic hero of many a young toddler. But, alas, hardly anyone knows his name. On the odd occasion good ol Benny gave him a speaking part, he spoke with an impenetrable indecipherable Belfast accent.

    The late, great Benny Hill himself had the habit of taking his summer vacation in the tourist resorts of the south of France. Whilst on the promenade, Benny very often met American tourists whom he was more than happy to converse with. Invariably, Benny recalled, their very first statement after introduction was, 'Oh....I just looove that little bald man!'
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  3. IHTG says:

    The character Hoffman, which you accused of being a “WASP goblin” stereotype in your review of Bridge of Spies, is actually explicitly stated to be a German-American.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    Americans of German descent are considered to be WASPs for all intents and purposes in modern America. The Angles and the Saxons were from Germany to begin with and Germany is the home of Protestantism. So Germans slot in nicely as WASPs. Starting with WWI, Americans of German descent made conscious efforts to erase any remaining vestige of Germanness in themselves and their children, so that all that was left was a German surname and sometimes even that was Anglicized.
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  4. “CIA higher-ups were almost always portrayed as cruel, devious, and incompetent uber-WASPs with thin lips and thinning hair.”

    Matt Damon in The Good Shepherd comes to mind, though he didn’t have thinning hair. Just hair that was tightly combed with a dollop of Brylcreem in the style of those uber-WASPs in those days. Perhaps that caused the hair to thin, prematurely.

    Empirically speaking, I’ve noticed that an unusual number of investment bankers and money men seem to go prematurely grey in their 30s.

    Regarding our spies amidst darker peoples, it’s a long standing truism that the CIA station chief is always immediately known to the locals, wherever they are posted in the third-world. The CIA is leery of hiring 1st generation Americans born of immigrants, so that’s a limiting factor. Perhaps this is why our intelligence services rely so heavily on electronic intelligence and much less on human intelligence.

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    • Replies: @L Woods

    The CIA is leery of hiring 1st generation Americans born of immigrants, so that’s a limiting factor.
     
    I don't know how much that really matters in practice. First generation American ethnics will still stand out to the locals, particularly in the likely event that they aren't a perfect match for ethnicity, nationality and locality (e.g., a Mexican or Mexican-American would probably still be conspicuous in Paraguay). Even if their appearance and mannerisms are completely on point, their level of education and socioeconomic status absent local connections would likely raise other questions in the less developed locales, I'd think.
    , @Almost Missouri

    "Empirically speaking, I’ve noticed that an unusual number of investment bankers and money men seem to go prematurely grey in their 30s."
     
    Yeah, I've noticed premature balding and greying like that too, not just money men, but anyone with a high-stress, high-abstraction job that he takes very seriously, neurotic academic types too, for instance. (The stress doesn't have to be real.)

    It's hard not to conclude that there is some connection.

    , @Not Raul
    "it’s a long standing truism that the CIA station chief is always immediately known to the locals, wherever they are posted in the third-world."

    How would they know which embassy official it is? Don't many of them interact with the locals?
    , @Jack D
    Americans really suck at human intelligence. It goes against our open and honest nature. Russians automatically assume that you are a spy even if you aren't and Americans assume that you are not a spy even if you are.
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  5. Mexicans seem to go bald calvos at the same rate as WASPs. Lots of senior people in government and the older establishment types in movies are receding or hairless pelones.

    Japanese go bald a lot. You see them bald in movies and when scientists and bureaucrats get interviewed. But the top movie stars and government officials seem to have a lot of hair at advanced ages. I assume they’re all using finasteride if they care about their image and and maybe don’t go bald quite as often as WASPs.

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    • Replies: @Rob McX

    Lots of senior people in government and the older establishment types in movies are receding or hairless pelones.
     
    These would be the Mexicans with more European blood. Baldness is rarer among mestizos and seemingly unknown in pure Amerinds.
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  6. Commenter Almost Missouri writes:

    Federal agencies like the FBI and ATF mainly employ young-to-middle-aged white guys, so if your organization looks like that, they’re all set to infiltrate you. If your org is full of weedy Near Easterners or scabrous ghetto thugs, well, you can go your way unmolested by the Feds.

    Actually these groups are very easy to infiltrate using paid informers. Especially muslim groups, since the Mujahedin in Afghanistan had been infiltrated and controlled by Washington since at least 1979, and were deliberately used (per Zbigniew Brzezinski) in order to draw the Soviets into a quagmire there.

    http://dgibbs.faculty.arizona.edu/brzezinski_interview

    For a fascinating read by one such informer and infiltrator see My Jihad by Aukai Collins.

    https://www.amazon.com/My-Jihad-American-Mujahids-Counterterrorism/dp/1585745650

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    Zbigniew Brzezinski is very sure in that 1998 interview that 'a few agitated Muslims' are neither here nor there. Did anyone ask him in 2002 if he'd changed his mind?

    Q : “Some agitated Moslems”? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today...

    B: Nonsense!
     

    , @MarkinLA
    and controlled by

    Not sure this is true. They want the jihad and we didn't have to convince or control them just supply them with arms and money.
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  7. Red hair doesn’t go grey like other hair colors; it fades with age and ends up white or greyish white. Of course, Robert Redford may actively resist the process.

    CIA chiefs and indeed other operatives often give themselves away by driving conspicuous clean black SUVs with heavily tinted windows when everyone else drives beat up white Toyotas.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    Grey hair doesn't actually exist - it's an optical illusion. There is only normal hair and hair that has lost its ability to produce pigment. The various shades of gray that we perceive depend on what % of each are present. It's the same concept as how you can print a photo with shades of gray using only black ink on white paper.
    , @Almost Missouri

    "CIA chiefs and indeed other operatives often give themselves away by driving conspicuous clean black SUVs with heavily tinted windows when everyone else drives beat up white Toyotas."
     
    Yeah, I think the Achilles heel of these bureaucratic types who are supposed to be below the radar is their perqs. I recall reading that in WWII and the Cold War, intelligence analysts found they could identify commanders' buildings in military and prison camps by looking at aerial images of the camps after a snowfall to see whose building got plowed out first.

    It appears the human appetite for entitlements is so strong that we will risk death for them. Perhaps this is a lesson to keep in mind as the S.S. America slides beneath the tidal waves of gibs, nepotism, corruption and other burdens of what the "deserving" grant unto themselves.

    , @Not Raul
    "CIA chiefs and indeed other operatives often give themselves away by driving conspicuous clean black SUVs with heavily tinted windows when everyone else drives beat up white Toyotas."

    None of them drive Toyotas? How could a potential asset have any confidence that they wouldn't be caught? Do all embassy officials drive black SUVs?
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  8. Rob McX says:
    @(((Owen)))
    Mexicans seem to go bald calvos at the same rate as WASPs. Lots of senior people in government and the older establishment types in movies are receding or hairless pelones.

    Japanese go bald a lot. You see them bald in movies and when scientists and bureaucrats get interviewed. But the top movie stars and government officials seem to have a lot of hair at advanced ages. I assume they're all using finasteride if they care about their image and and maybe don't go bald quite as often as WASPs.

    Lots of senior people in government and the older establishment types in movies are receding or hairless pelones.

    These would be the Mexicans with more European blood. Baldness is rarer among mestizos and seemingly unknown in pure Amerinds.

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    • Replies: @DCThrowback
    Was gonna say, you don't see many bald Aztecs. (Just short and squat. We all have to the pay a tax, and if mine is no hair to be 6'1", 210, I'll pay it.)
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  9. TheJester says:

    My wife is very observant. I used to be a Civil War buff with shelves of albums of Civil War photos. One day my wife commented on the full heads of hair on the young boys and men of that era … not a bald head among them.

    Today, you only have to “look and see” to discover large numbers of young men in their mid-20s with bald or almost bald heads. Something changed since the 1860s. I attribute it to chemical pollution from endocrine disruptors that are prevalent in the environment and the water supply — really a chemical sewer.

    To be relevant to the post, the new, younger CIA agents can be bald or partially bald with the “must-have” day old beard (although I understand it takes about a week to grow one).

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    Hair loss is less evident in photos of people than when you see them in the flesh. I've noticed a few times how celebrities look a lot balder when you see them in real life.
    , @Kyle a
    They didn't wash them locks much back then.
    , @Yak-15
    Possible but Caesar was bald.
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  10. Auster noticed that the Irish tend to have full heads of hair well into later years.

    How do the Darwinians explain the prevalence of male baldness in much of the white race (the Irish being the big exception)? That a man 50,000 years ago had an accidental genetic mutation which caused him to lose his hair, and the women in his tribe were more attracted to him with his bald head than to all the other hairy men, and so he had more offspring than the hairy ones, and so the genetic mutation for baldness spread through the population?

    I travelled through Ireland for three weeks some years ago. All or virtually all the Irishmen I saw had a full head of hair. Another striking feature is that their hair commonly starts to go grey or white when they are in their forties. So there’s a sort of trade-off. They have the advantage of a full head of hair, and the disadvantage of early greying.

    All the men in my family go grey early, I had some grey hairs at 19 and fully grey by 40, but all have a full head of hair well into 80s.

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    Tom Wolfe talks about what great heads of hair winos have:

    Nature or nurture? Who knows?
    , @Anonymous
    There are more than a few bald Irishmen.
    Perhaps the late Lawrence Auster only travelled through a district in which a 'hairy gene' due to a dominant male ancestor, persisted.
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  11. @Pat Hannagan
    Auster noticed that the Irish tend to have full heads of hair well into later years.


    How do the Darwinians explain the prevalence of male baldness in much of the white race (the Irish being the big exception)? That a man 50,000 years ago had an accidental genetic mutation which caused him to lose his hair, and the women in his tribe were more attracted to him with his bald head than to all the other hairy men, and so he had more offspring than the hairy ones, and so the genetic mutation for baldness spread through the population?

    ...

    I travelled through Ireland for three weeks some years ago. All or virtually all the Irishmen I saw had a full head of hair. Another striking feature is that their hair commonly starts to go grey or white when they are in their forties. So there’s a sort of trade-off. They have the advantage of a full head of hair, and the disadvantage of early greying.

    All the men in my family go grey early, I had some grey hairs at 19 and fully grey by 40, but all have a full head of hair well into 80s.

    Tom Wolfe talks about what great heads of hair winos have:

    Nature or nurture? Who knows?

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    Lol, what? Thanks. Mate!

    Now that you point it out I reckon Wolfe is right.

    My great grand-uncle lived till 95 in the original slab hut he made himself and was a complete *alcoholic, yet fit as a trout with a full head of hair till the last. He was no wino though. Nature and nurture made him for sure.

    *Actually drunkard than alcoholic. As we were taught: An alcoholic drinks to live and a drunkard lives to drink.

    , @Rob McX
    I've noticed that - even winos who have long since given up eating solid food often have thick heads of hair. Baldness seems to be less common among rock stars too.
    , @TelfoedJohn
    https://youtu.be/5RjeEYTLkbE
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  12. @Rob McX

    Lots of senior people in government and the older establishment types in movies are receding or hairless pelones.
     
    These would be the Mexicans with more European blood. Baldness is rarer among mestizos and seemingly unknown in pure Amerinds.

    Was gonna say, you don’t see many bald Aztecs. (Just short and squat. We all have to the pay a tax, and if mine is no hair to be 6’1″, 210, I’ll pay it.)

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    You'd be surprised at the number of men who would make the opposite trade and have a full head of hair at any cost.
    , @Rob McX
    Pretty good trade-off indeed. Those extra IQ points that get thrown in make it even better.
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  13. @Steve Sailer
    Tom Wolfe talks about what great heads of hair winos have:

    Nature or nurture? Who knows?

    Lol, what? Thanks. Mate!

    Now that you point it out I reckon Wolfe is right.

    My great grand-uncle lived till 95 in the original slab hut he made himself and was a complete *alcoholic, yet fit as a trout with a full head of hair till the last. He was no wino though. Nature and nurture made him for sure.

    *Actually drunkard than alcoholic. As we were taught: An alcoholic drinks to live and a drunkard lives to drink.

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  14. Rob McX says:
    @TheJester
    My wife is very observant. I used to be a Civil War buff with shelves of albums of Civil War photos. One day my wife commented on the full heads of hair on the young boys and men of that era ... not a bald head among them.

    Today, you only have to "look and see" to discover large numbers of young men in their mid-20s with bald or almost bald heads. Something changed since the 1860s. I attribute it to chemical pollution from endocrine disruptors that are prevalent in the environment and the water supply -- really a chemical sewer.

    To be relevant to the post, the new, younger CIA agents can be bald or partially bald with the "must-have" day old beard (although I understand it takes about a week to grow one).

    Hair loss is less evident in photos of people than when you see them in the flesh. I’ve noticed a few times how celebrities look a lot balder when you see them in real life.

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  15. Rob McX says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Tom Wolfe talks about what great heads of hair winos have:

    Nature or nurture? Who knows?

    I’ve noticed that – even winos who have long since given up eating solid food often have thick heads of hair. Baldness seems to be less common among rock stars too.

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    How do you know that those well pecunied 'rock-stars' don't have excellent trichologists/wig-makers on their staff?
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  16. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    At root, (no pun intended) male pattern baldness must have seem deep sexual connection.
    As we all know, it is linked to the metabolisation of testosterone. The ancients made the (rare) accurate connection that no eunuch ever went bald. Today, living in a eunuch-free world – unless you count senior Democrat staffers – that acute observation cannot be made.

    The linkage of male pattern baldness to sex – and the male middle aged ‘age of dominance’ in middle age, must be relevant. Perhaps a clue is to Orang-utan ‘cheek bulges’ and such, even alpha chimps seem prone to baldness. The notion seems to the expression of dominance toward the young, vigorous, lush-haired Oedipal challenger.
    Some ‘authorities’ have tried to make the same ‘just-so’ connection with that other obvious symptom of middle-aged male ‘dominance’, the ‘beer-gut’.

    Come back Homer, all is forgiven.

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  17. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Rob McX
    I've noticed that - even winos who have long since given up eating solid food often have thick heads of hair. Baldness seems to be less common among rock stars too.

    How do you know that those well pecunied ‘rock-stars’ don’t have excellent trichologists/wig-makers on their staff?

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  18. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Pat Hannagan
    Auster noticed that the Irish tend to have full heads of hair well into later years.


    How do the Darwinians explain the prevalence of male baldness in much of the white race (the Irish being the big exception)? That a man 50,000 years ago had an accidental genetic mutation which caused him to lose his hair, and the women in his tribe were more attracted to him with his bald head than to all the other hairy men, and so he had more offspring than the hairy ones, and so the genetic mutation for baldness spread through the population?

    ...

    I travelled through Ireland for three weeks some years ago. All or virtually all the Irishmen I saw had a full head of hair. Another striking feature is that their hair commonly starts to go grey or white when they are in their forties. So there’s a sort of trade-off. They have the advantage of a full head of hair, and the disadvantage of early greying.

    All the men in my family go grey early, I had some grey hairs at 19 and fully grey by 40, but all have a full head of hair well into 80s.

    There are more than a few bald Irishmen.
    Perhaps the late Lawrence Auster only travelled through a district in which a ‘hairy gene’ due to a dominant male ancestor, persisted.

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  19. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @DCThrowback
    Was gonna say, you don't see many bald Aztecs. (Just short and squat. We all have to the pay a tax, and if mine is no hair to be 6'1", 210, I'll pay it.)

    You’d be surprised at the number of men who would make the opposite trade and have a full head of hair at any cost.

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    A certain ethnic type of man from the ‘Carpathian triangle’ in central Europe, where Hungary, Poland and Slovakia meets – ‘Vampire country’, tends to early male pattern baldness. This type is usually dark haired, with a smooth voice and soft accent. Tend to be highly intelligent too – but with an unfortunate tendency to extreme nastiness when stressed.

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  21. Rob McX says:
    @DCThrowback
    Was gonna say, you don't see many bald Aztecs. (Just short and squat. We all have to the pay a tax, and if mine is no hair to be 6'1", 210, I'll pay it.)

    Pretty good trade-off indeed. Those extra IQ points that get thrown in make it even better.

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  22. CK says:
    @Anonymous
    I doubt that amongst European ethnicities, at least, there are significant differences in 'hair thinning rates'. The statistic that seems to pop up is that the incidence of full-blown male pattern baldness seems to equate with chronological age, that is, it is often cited that 50% are 'bald' at age 50.
    Just by my own observations, looking out of bus windows etc during idle 'Galtonian' moments, (he was a baldy, as was his cousin Darwin), that seems just about right. The recent trend to fully shaving partially bald heads, a la Kojak - back in the 70s the 'Kojak' or 'Yul Brynner' as it was then called was significantly egregious for schoolboys to point out and remark - has made a difference. Back in the day, the 'comb-over' as famously sported by Bobby Charlton, Arthur Scargill, Robert Robinson and others was, more or less, due figure, thus making 'thinning hair' more conspicuous. The baldy, shaving thing seems to have kicked off, in the UK at least, by characters in the TV soap 'EastEnders'. It's no older than 25 years old.
    Not to insult the follically challenged here reading this, who I am sure are decent chaps, the Hollywood association between thinning hair and 'cold' villianry is probably due to the counterpoint with the hero's lush, flowing boyish locks, the association of balding with age and loss of looks - and thus the descent into bitterness, the reverse Samson effect of perceived physical weakness - not true, of course - thus associating thinning hair in the childish 'black-hat, white-hat' world of Hollywood with the 'sinister'.
    But, on the other hand, 'good ol' Benny Hill' managed to commit the ultimate crime of blaspheming baldness with his well remembered slap-slap-slappy 'comic' profanation of the pate of Jacky Wright - for that was his name.

    Anyway, I most sincerely apologise to the follically challegened reading this. I fully understand the pain and anguish.

    The good lord in his infinite wisdom made very few visually perfect extremities, the rest he camouflaged with hair.

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  23. Spmoore8 says:

    The Celto Germanic heritage in our family has double whorl pattern in the back of the head which balds by 30, the rest thins but doesn’t bald, gray beard by 30, hair natural color forever. FWIW.

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    Strange - I've got the double whorl and the thing where the beard goes gray but the hair on my head stays its natural color, but no baldness and very little thinning. People accuse me of dying my hair because it's so unusual not to have any gray at my age. It's not a family pattern AFAIK. I have/had relatives who didn't go bald (as well as some that did) but they all went at least partly grey. And I have no special regimen or diet to explain it.
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  24. There’s also a blue-collar/white-collar divide. Good ole boys, outdoor types seem to have somewhat better luck maintaining their hair, just as they do their eyesight.

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  25. L Woods says:
    @PiltdownMan

    “CIA higher-ups were almost always portrayed as cruel, devious, and incompetent uber-WASPs with thin lips and thinning hair.”
     
    Matt Damon in The Good Shepherd comes to mind, though he didn't have thinning hair. Just hair that was tightly combed with a dollop of Brylcreem in the style of those uber-WASPs in those days. Perhaps that caused the hair to thin, prematurely.

    http://onmilwaukee.com/images/articles/th/thegoodshepherd/thegoodshepherd_story1.jpg

    Empirically speaking, I've noticed that an unusual number of investment bankers and money men seem to go prematurely grey in their 30s.

    Regarding our spies amidst darker peoples, it's a long standing truism that the CIA station chief is always immediately known to the locals, wherever they are posted in the third-world. The CIA is leery of hiring 1st generation Americans born of immigrants, so that's a limiting factor. Perhaps this is why our intelligence services rely so heavily on electronic intelligence and much less on human intelligence.

    The CIA is leery of hiring 1st generation Americans born of immigrants, so that’s a limiting factor.

    I don’t know how much that really matters in practice. First generation American ethnics will still stand out to the locals, particularly in the likely event that they aren’t a perfect match for ethnicity, nationality and locality (e.g., a Mexican or Mexican-American would probably still be conspicuous in Paraguay). Even if their appearance and mannerisms are completely on point, their level of education and socioeconomic status absent local connections would likely raise other questions in the less developed locales, I’d think.

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  26. Kyle a says:
    @TheJester
    My wife is very observant. I used to be a Civil War buff with shelves of albums of Civil War photos. One day my wife commented on the full heads of hair on the young boys and men of that era ... not a bald head among them.

    Today, you only have to "look and see" to discover large numbers of young men in their mid-20s with bald or almost bald heads. Something changed since the 1860s. I attribute it to chemical pollution from endocrine disruptors that are prevalent in the environment and the water supply -- really a chemical sewer.

    To be relevant to the post, the new, younger CIA agents can be bald or partially bald with the "must-have" day old beard (although I understand it takes about a week to grow one).

    They didn’t wash them locks much back then.

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  27. Certainly a thinning hair line can age a man (and woman) by a few years. Soccer/football player Wayne Rooney started loosing his hair in his early twenties and got a hair transplant when he was 25. In fairness to him, I think it has made him look a few years younger.
    In terms of ethnicity, I recall reading that Armenians, Greeks and some south-east Europeans are more likely to go bald, but I haven’t seen any hard data.
    If one wants to slow down their hair loss and even reverse it, I recommend taking biotin. I’m fortunate enough to still have a nice thick head of hair, but others I’ve seen take it have had good results.

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  28. neutral says:

    Does anyone know of a spy drama tv show or movie that depicts Chinese spies ? The Russian secret agent (and sometimes entire family) is a common tv trope, but I have yet to come across a Chinese one. I think this is done for two reasons. The first reason is the obvious protest one will get, depicting a non white as anything but an absolutely loyal American will have a SJW crusade coming your way.

    The second reason is a more thornier one in some ways, if the Chinese spy has infiltrated America and pretends to be American but is in fact loyal to China then it will not take long for the real world reality (that he is loyal for racial reasons) to enter peoples thoughts. For a Russian spy that racial thinking is simply not there.

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    "24" had Chinese spies. One season Kiefer Sutherland breaks into the Chinese embassy to steal evidence, or something. Later he's nabbed, taken to the Chinese hinterlands, and tortured.
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  29. NickG says:

    The last movie I saw Robert Redford in, I think, was the Horse Whisperer. Which, the IMDB tells me, came out 18 years ago, way back in 1998. Even then Redford was as wrinkled as a scrotum. Though he may have had a few re-treads since then.

    He’s not the world’s best actor, his performances strike me as forced and pastiche. Redford was shockingly awful as an Englishman in Out of Africa. Right up there with Dick van Lesbian in the 1964 movie Mary Poppins, starring a fresh faced,wholesome and perfectly dictioned Julie Andrews.

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    Redford isn't a good actor, but he's a pretty good movie star. He's handsome, and people like and trust him. Sort of like a Kevin Costner. They have no range, and can be wooden, but the audience believes in them.
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  30. Anonym says:

    One of the criticisms of TGS is that Damon doesn’t age. But if the model was JJA, just take a look at a picture. De Niro did the right thing by not including the hair loss cues of aging in Damon. Norwood 1 or 2 from memory. Really loved his alcohol too from accounts.

    Balding is caused by the DHT. DHT is synthesized by testosterone and rate/extent of MPB is determined by response of androgen receptors on scalp. Once your body starts to produce testosterone at a high rate from your teens or worse, is exacerbated from artificial test, the inevitable DHT starts shrinking and killing hair follicles.

    Absent finasteride, lowering T lowers DHT so logically, decrease T and keep your hair.

    Alcohol lowers T, so lowers DHT, hence the connection with retaining hair. Obesity also lowers T, so one would expect fat but well coiffed men.

    Benign Prostate Hypertrophy is caused by the same thing as hair loss (DHT), so if receptor affinity is equal then one would expect baldness and BPH to be similar for ethnicities. It may or may not be the case though.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10647663

    There is some evidence that a sedentary lifestyle encourages BPH. If the cause is increased DHT, then one would expect either more T in sedentary individuals (seems unlikely) or maybe less alpha reductase enzyme produced. But apparently there may be less T in less sedentary individuals, according to the article. In any case, that would explain the Civil War photographs someone noticed.

    http://www.harvardprostateknowledge.org/exercise-and-benign-prostatic-hyperplasia-bph

    I wonder if the modern diet (lots of meat and fats) increases testosterone. If so, that also might explain the difference in 19th century men vs 21st century Western men.

    https://www.muscleforlife.com/9-ways-to-naturally-boost-your-testosterone-production/

    One thing that is interesting is the way the scalps of babies mimics MPB in reverse, in the various different patterns. It seems likely that as the hair begins to flow, so shall it ebb.

    Interestingly, female pattern baldness (a horseshoe like pattern) can be caused by PCOS, which in turn can increase male androgen production, as one would expect. One would also expect high sex drive in such women.

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    Interesting. Given all of that, one would think saw palmetto might help prevent baldness. Some think it does: http://www.healthline.com/health/saw-palmetto-hair-loss
    , @Triumph104
    The rapper Coolio (Gangsta's Paradise) was in court this week.


    https://www.instagram.com/p/BMEmhOjDICz/?taken-by=thacelebriteaofficial

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  31. @Steve Sailer
    Tom Wolfe talks about what great heads of hair winos have:

    Nature or nurture? Who knows?

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  32. @Tim Howells

    Commenter Almost Missouri writes:

    Federal agencies like the FBI and ATF mainly employ young-to-middle-aged white guys, so if your organization looks like that, they’re all set to infiltrate you. If your org is full of weedy Near Easterners or scabrous ghetto thugs, well, you can go your way unmolested by the Feds.
     

     
    Actually these groups are very easy to infiltrate using paid informers. Especially muslim groups, since the Mujahedin in Afghanistan had been infiltrated and controlled by Washington since at least 1979, and were deliberately used (per Zbigniew Brzezinski) in order to draw the Soviets into a quagmire there.

    http://dgibbs.faculty.arizona.edu/brzezinski_interview

    For a fascinating read by one such informer and infiltrator see My Jihad by Aukai Collins.

    https://www.amazon.com/My-Jihad-American-Mujahids-Counterterrorism/dp/1585745650

    Zbigniew Brzezinski is very sure in that 1998 interview that ‘a few agitated Muslims’ are neither here nor there. Did anyone ask him in 2002 if he’d changed his mind?

    Q : “Some agitated Moslems”? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today…

    B: Nonsense!

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    Re September 11 2001, like many in these parts I'm a 911 truther, so our take-aways on that will probably be different. Brzezinski seems to have changed his views pretty radically on many things including the threat of Islamism, but it's always difficult to know what to make of his public statements, e.g. this recent article:

    http://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/04/17/toward-a-global-realignment/
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  33. JohnnyD says:

    In reality, guys in the CIA were much more exciting and colorful than what you see in the movies. William Donovan, one of the agency’s founders, was nicknamed “Wild Bill.” And by 1945, James Burnham, one of the agency’s favorite intellectuals, had already lived an interesting life as an ex-Trotskyist. We also know that the CIA was sponsoring and funding all types of avant-garde movements, provided they could be used against the communists.

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    Reading the amazing exploits of the founders of the CIA makes you wonder why the never made any movies about them.
    , @Karl
    > In reality, guys in the CIA were much more exciting and colorful than what you see in the movies


    the few that I met (in a previous lifetime) were engineers who ran the HF relay stations that were required in the days before sat comms. They showed us the tricks of the trade in making shortwave transmissions be non-direction-find-able. Much appreciated.


    I saw some paystubs - the salaries weren't really remarkable. There was a steady attrition rate to go take contractor jobs manning radar sites & Loran stations. Much better grosses, and tax-exempt as foreign earned.

    US civil servants don't get the foreign exemption, you see. Not to mention that the Form 1199 employment-address of record of ALL those guys, is Commonwealth of Virginia.

    I have no connection with that planet since about 25 years now. It's like raising teenagers - once is enough.
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  34. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    In that book about the MIT blackjack card counting ring, one of the players relates that their boss looked for vaguely ethnic looking recruits–Persian? Armenian? Brazilian? Who knows!–because Las Vegas was less likely to question people buying/carrying hundreds of thousands of dollars in chips if they might be Arab princes or something. Nerdy white Americans might set off alarm bells.

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  35. Jack D says:
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    The character Hoffman, which you accused of being a "WASP goblin" stereotype in your review of Bridge of Spies, is actually explicitly stated to be a German-American.

    Americans of German descent are considered to be WASPs for all intents and purposes in modern America. The Angles and the Saxons were from Germany to begin with and Germany is the home of Protestantism. So Germans slot in nicely as WASPs. Starting with WWI, Americans of German descent made conscious efforts to erase any remaining vestige of Germanness in themselves and their children, so that all that was left was a German surname and sometimes even that was Anglicized.

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    "Americans of German descent are considered to be WASPs for all intents and purposes in modern America."
     
    While I agree with you philologically that wASp = Anglo-Saxon = German and so on, I think that socio-culturally this is not quite true. I say this because while visiting a card-carrying Mayflower WASP family of my acquaintance, a couple of the elders were at pains to make a distinction that one of their number was descended from "a German" in the late 19th/early 20th century rather than being part of the regular WASP lines like the rest of them. A fine distinction, admittedly, and one that outsiders probably don't see or even care about, but I'm just saying that actual WASPs don't consider themselves synonymous with Germanics (or vice versa) even today.

    I think this descends from the WASP founding fathers, who were explicit and unabashed that Germans were a different (and not quite as good) race as their English selves, though I don't recall offhand in what they thought German inferiority consisted. Maybe too often Catholic?

    I do think you are correct that outsiders, e.g., that Erdely chick, seem to lump them together, possibly as a way to tar the genteel-to-a-fault WASP (former) establishment with the misdeeds of anyone with fair hair or a Germanic name. Sorta like the FBI stats count Hispanics as "white" when committing crimes, but separate when victims.

    , @Reg Cæsar

    ...and Germany is the home of Protestantism.
     
    Interestingly, German Catholics in America are among the most conservative religiously. Check out The Wanderer and its even more reactionary The Remnant, founded by a German or Austrian family. ("Reactionary" is meant as a compliment, by the way.)

    Yet no group of Catholic immigrants assimilated faster. The Irish, in contrast, were more flexible in religion (they inspired the Vatican's naming a heresy "Americanism"), but kept apart racially, at least in their minds, much longer.

    I was surprised to learn that St Paul, given its Irish reputation, actually has more Germans, and has had for over a century. But they blend in more. Note that Charles M Schulz named his alter ego Charlie Brown.

    , @snorlax
    The Dutch (Roosevelt, Schuyler, Vanderbilt) are definitely WASPs, as are Huguenots (du Pont, Gillette, Thoreau). Are the Germans? It's tough. Astors and Rockefellers are certainly WASPs, but putting millions of obese Midwesterners in that category seems enough to render it meaningless.
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  36. Robert Redford – “Old face, young hair”.

    See also: 3/4 of The Rolling Stones, Paul McCartney, etc.

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  37. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I do wonder why we still hire these All-American boys to do humint in the third world.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/02/world/middleeast/a-cia-grunts-tale-of-the-fog-of-secret-war-douglas-laux.html

    “Raised in rural Indiana, Mr. Laux had never ventured far from home when he watched the World Trade Center crash to the ground via a television on the campus of Indiana University, where he was a freshman. He submitted an online application to the C.I.A. in his senior year — he had noticed an advertisement for the spy agency on a campus job board — waited months and, after a series of mysterious phone calls, was told to report for an interview in Washington. He was accepted into a C.I.A. program that eventually led to the standard course for operations officers at “the Farm,” the agency’s training facility at Camp Peary in Virginia.

    Mr. Laux was in Afghanistan when American troops were dying in large numbers, many of them from roadside bombs built in makeshift factories across the border in Pakistan. In his book, Mr. Laux recounts how he ran a web of informants to try to hunt down people who had turned the bomb making into a lucrative business. (The book’s title, “Left of Boom,” is Pentagon-ese for efforts by soldiers and spies to dismantle the militant networks before they were able to plant the bombs.)”

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    "Ishmael Jones" writes about being a non-official cover spy, ie not a "cultural attache" with diplomatic immunity who goes to cocktail parties at the embassy:

    https://www.amazon.com/Human-Factor-Dysfunctional-Intelligence-Culture/dp/159403382X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1477606283&sr=8-2&keywords=ishmael+jones

    He says the CIA HUMINT operation isn't real big on risk-taking or results. Fledgling officers spend a lot of time in the US attempting to recruit agents from the many foreign visitors to the US. Some other former NOC people chime in in the comments.
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  38. Jack D says:
    @Jeremiah Bullfrog
    Red hair doesn't go grey like other hair colors; it fades with age and ends up white or greyish white. Of course, Robert Redford may actively resist the process.

    CIA chiefs and indeed other operatives often give themselves away by driving conspicuous clean black SUVs with heavily tinted windows when everyone else drives beat up white Toyotas.

    Grey hair doesn’t actually exist – it’s an optical illusion. There is only normal hair and hair that has lost its ability to produce pigment. The various shades of gray that we perceive depend on what % of each are present. It’s the same concept as how you can print a photo with shades of gray using only black ink on white paper.

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  39. I’d always assumed the uptick in shaved heads in the past 15-20 years was being driven mostly by male homosexual vanity–you can mask even the beginnings of pattern baldness, and its tacit acknowledgment of aging, if you just get rid of it all and pretend it is for “the look”.

    The actor Michael Chiklis (who is not gay BTW) is an interesting case study. He was starring on network TV while he was in his late 20s playing a character close to 50 (“The Commish”), and then his career stalled. His wife made him do two things: 1) build up his muscles and 2) shave off all his thinning hair. And voila, a guy who in the 90s was playing a character twenty years older than he was, was suddenly back in the new century playing characters younger than his actual age (“The Shield”, etc.)

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  40. Jack D says:

    It’s very hard to get weedy Near Easterners or scabrous ghetto thugs to conform to the demands of a bureaucracy like the CIA. They start playing games with their expense account or stealing laptops from the office (they just can’t help themselves) to the point where their little peccadillos can no longer be overlooked (no matter how hard their superiors try) and they get canned.

    One of the sad/funny things about the case of Maj. Nidal Hasan (the Ft. Hood shooter who killed 13 soldiers and wounded 30 more) was that he did so many outrageous things that would normally have gotten a white guy canned instantly and the Army kept looking the other way, either out of PC correctness or just sheer bureaucratic incompetence. For example, Hasan had come to the attention of federal authorities at least six months before the attacks, because of certain jihadist internet postings he was making. The postings were made in the name “NidalHasan” but somehow the authorities did not connect them to Maj. Nidal Hasan. Perhaps that missing space between Nidal and Hasan that he used to cleverly disguise his name completely threw them off. Or it could have been ANY Nidal Hasan and not just this particular one.

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  41. Jack D says:
    @Spmoore8
    The Celto Germanic heritage in our family has double whorl pattern in the back of the head which balds by 30, the rest thins but doesn't bald, gray beard by 30, hair natural color forever. FWIW.

    Strange – I’ve got the double whorl and the thing where the beard goes gray but the hair on my head stays its natural color, but no baldness and very little thinning. People accuse me of dying my hair because it’s so unusual not to have any gray at my age. It’s not a family pattern AFAIK. I have/had relatives who didn’t go bald (as well as some that did) but they all went at least partly grey. And I have no special regimen or diet to explain it.

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  42. mobi says:

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160921-the-benefits-of-going-bald

    ‘There’s mounting evidence that bare heads aren’t a spectacular evolutionary accident after all. Bald men are seen as more intelligent, dominant and high status; their shiny scalps may help them to seduce women or even save lives. ‘

    It’s true.

    Also, is it just me, or do the Irish/Scots share a tendency to grow beards that are basically dark/black, but with a prominent grey/white flash at the bottom? ala Mel Gibson or Roy Keane, say (plus personal, anecdotal evidence).

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  43. @PiltdownMan

    “CIA higher-ups were almost always portrayed as cruel, devious, and incompetent uber-WASPs with thin lips and thinning hair.”
     
    Matt Damon in The Good Shepherd comes to mind, though he didn't have thinning hair. Just hair that was tightly combed with a dollop of Brylcreem in the style of those uber-WASPs in those days. Perhaps that caused the hair to thin, prematurely.

    http://onmilwaukee.com/images/articles/th/thegoodshepherd/thegoodshepherd_story1.jpg

    Empirically speaking, I've noticed that an unusual number of investment bankers and money men seem to go prematurely grey in their 30s.

    Regarding our spies amidst darker peoples, it's a long standing truism that the CIA station chief is always immediately known to the locals, wherever they are posted in the third-world. The CIA is leery of hiring 1st generation Americans born of immigrants, so that's a limiting factor. Perhaps this is why our intelligence services rely so heavily on electronic intelligence and much less on human intelligence.

    “Empirically speaking, I’ve noticed that an unusual number of investment bankers and money men seem to go prematurely grey in their 30s.”

    Yeah, I’ve noticed premature balding and greying like that too, not just money men, but anyone with a high-stress, high-abstraction job that he takes very seriously, neurotic academic types too, for instance. (The stress doesn’t have to be real.)

    It’s hard not to conclude that there is some connection.

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  44. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Redford is 80.

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    And still a d**k.
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  45. I work in the industry (software) and can say after ~30 there’s probably one dot indian out of 20 with a full head of hair.

    To their benefit they take a decent amount of time to go completely bald.

    Hmm, sounds like nurture. Moar red meat.

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  46. @Jack D
    Americans of German descent are considered to be WASPs for all intents and purposes in modern America. The Angles and the Saxons were from Germany to begin with and Germany is the home of Protestantism. So Germans slot in nicely as WASPs. Starting with WWI, Americans of German descent made conscious efforts to erase any remaining vestige of Germanness in themselves and their children, so that all that was left was a German surname and sometimes even that was Anglicized.

    “Americans of German descent are considered to be WASPs for all intents and purposes in modern America.”

    While I agree with you philologically that wASp = Anglo-Saxon = German and so on, I think that socio-culturally this is not quite true. I say this because while visiting a card-carrying Mayflower WASP family of my acquaintance, a couple of the elders were at pains to make a distinction that one of their number was descended from “a German” in the late 19th/early 20th century rather than being part of the regular WASP lines like the rest of them. A fine distinction, admittedly, and one that outsiders probably don’t see or even care about, but I’m just saying that actual WASPs don’t consider themselves synonymous with Germanics (or vice versa) even today.

    I think this descends from the WASP founding fathers, who were explicit and unabashed that Germans were a different (and not quite as good) race as their English selves, though I don’t recall offhand in what they thought German inferiority consisted. Maybe too often Catholic?

    I do think you are correct that outsiders, e.g., that Erdely chick, seem to lump them together, possibly as a way to tar the genteel-to-a-fault WASP (former) establishment with the misdeeds of anyone with fair hair or a Germanic name. Sorta like the FBI stats count Hispanics as “white” when committing crimes, but separate when victims.

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    This ran both ways - Mencken (and some other Germans) thought that the WASPs were the inferior race - cowardly, prone to moral panics, pseudo-intellectual rather than truly intellectual, bullies with an inferiority complex, etc.

    I don't doubt that there are a few WASP dinosaurs still alive who sniff at the German newcomers but these people will soon be off to the cemetery, but not before attending the weddings of their grandchildren, who will marry not just Germans but Jews, Asians, Latinos, etc. - it's enough to give old Miles Standish a heart attack.
    , @Forbes
    Anyone of the "card-carrying Mayflower" type has to make that fine a distinction--otherwise, what's the point of making the distinction about oneself as card-carrying Mayflower descendent?

    My family descends from early 17th century WASP founding stock, but we don't wallow in historic nostalgia. Those were treacherous crossing voyages, while life in the colonies was pretty hardscrabble for generations. It's one thing to know who you are/where you're from (heritage), it's another to know what you've been through to survive.
    , @eD
    On German-Americans, the difference in the United States between people of British Protestant background and people of German background shows up most clearly when looking at the ethnic backgrounds of US Presidents.

    Only Eisenhower among Presidents clearly had mostly German ancestry, and there is some dispute about which others had German ancestry among the others. Wikipedia, on its "List of German Americans" (type "List of German Americans" into Wikipedia), currently lists Teddy Roosevelt, Nixon, George W Bush, and Obama as well as Eisenhower as Presidents with some German ancestry, and I've seen Nixon on other lists.

    In contrast, there are no or one President who had no ancestors from the British isles (the one would be Martin Van Buren), and the vast majority had English ancestry, often with no other ethnic groups mixed in. Kennedy of course was the only Catholic ancestry. The second highest ethnic origin after English is Scottish, followed by Dutch.

    Its pretty much the same pattern if you look at major party nominees for the office, or at the Veeps.

    The highest reaches of the American establishment has always been a WASP preserve and in many ways still is, though more recently Jews have been incorporated and probably a few Catholics and Mormons have also been allowed in recently, grudgingly in the case of the Catholics. Someone of German Jewish ancestry is more likely to operate at that level now than a German Catholic.
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  47. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    I doubt that amongst European ethnicities, at least, there are significant differences in 'hair thinning rates'. The statistic that seems to pop up is that the incidence of full-blown male pattern baldness seems to equate with chronological age, that is, it is often cited that 50% are 'bald' at age 50.
    Just by my own observations, looking out of bus windows etc during idle 'Galtonian' moments, (he was a baldy, as was his cousin Darwin), that seems just about right. The recent trend to fully shaving partially bald heads, a la Kojak - back in the 70s the 'Kojak' or 'Yul Brynner' as it was then called was significantly egregious for schoolboys to point out and remark - has made a difference. Back in the day, the 'comb-over' as famously sported by Bobby Charlton, Arthur Scargill, Robert Robinson and others was, more or less, due figure, thus making 'thinning hair' more conspicuous. The baldy, shaving thing seems to have kicked off, in the UK at least, by characters in the TV soap 'EastEnders'. It's no older than 25 years old.
    Not to insult the follically challenged here reading this, who I am sure are decent chaps, the Hollywood association between thinning hair and 'cold' villianry is probably due to the counterpoint with the hero's lush, flowing boyish locks, the association of balding with age and loss of looks - and thus the descent into bitterness, the reverse Samson effect of perceived physical weakness - not true, of course - thus associating thinning hair in the childish 'black-hat, white-hat' world of Hollywood with the 'sinister'.
    But, on the other hand, 'good ol' Benny Hill' managed to commit the ultimate crime of blaspheming baldness with his well remembered slap-slap-slappy 'comic' profanation of the pate of Jacky Wright - for that was his name.

    Anyway, I most sincerely apologise to the follically challegened reading this. I fully understand the pain and anguish.

    Jackie Wright.
    A bald pate, if not face to still instantly recognizable 40 years on. Universally known and loved everywhere from Vladivostok to Istanbul. Comic hero of many a young toddler. But, alas, hardly anyone knows his name. On the odd occasion good ol Benny gave him a speaking part, he spoke with an impenetrable indecipherable Belfast accent.

    The late, great Benny Hill himself had the habit of taking his summer vacation in the tourist resorts of the south of France. Whilst on the promenade, Benny very often met American tourists whom he was more than happy to converse with. Invariably, Benny recalled, their very first statement after introduction was, ‘Oh….I just looove that little bald man!’

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  48. guest says:

    I never saw Spy Game, so far as I remember, but its promotional campaign stuck in my head. That’s because it had the misfortune to come out around 9/11, and they had to change their tune. I remember specifically Redford saying something like maybe America’s been on top too long beforehand. Afterwards, he was all, “Every country does it.”

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  49. @Jeremiah Bullfrog
    Red hair doesn't go grey like other hair colors; it fades with age and ends up white or greyish white. Of course, Robert Redford may actively resist the process.

    CIA chiefs and indeed other operatives often give themselves away by driving conspicuous clean black SUVs with heavily tinted windows when everyone else drives beat up white Toyotas.

    “CIA chiefs and indeed other operatives often give themselves away by driving conspicuous clean black SUVs with heavily tinted windows when everyone else drives beat up white Toyotas.”

    Yeah, I think the Achilles heel of these bureaucratic types who are supposed to be below the radar is their perqs. I recall reading that in WWII and the Cold War, intelligence analysts found they could identify commanders’ buildings in military and prison camps by looking at aerial images of the camps after a snowfall to see whose building got plowed out first.

    It appears the human appetite for entitlements is so strong that we will risk death for them. Perhaps this is a lesson to keep in mind as the S.S. America slides beneath the tidal waves of gibs, nepotism, corruption and other burdens of what the “deserving” grant unto themselves.

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  50. Not Raul says:
    @PiltdownMan

    “CIA higher-ups were almost always portrayed as cruel, devious, and incompetent uber-WASPs with thin lips and thinning hair.”
     
    Matt Damon in The Good Shepherd comes to mind, though he didn't have thinning hair. Just hair that was tightly combed with a dollop of Brylcreem in the style of those uber-WASPs in those days. Perhaps that caused the hair to thin, prematurely.

    http://onmilwaukee.com/images/articles/th/thegoodshepherd/thegoodshepherd_story1.jpg

    Empirically speaking, I've noticed that an unusual number of investment bankers and money men seem to go prematurely grey in their 30s.

    Regarding our spies amidst darker peoples, it's a long standing truism that the CIA station chief is always immediately known to the locals, wherever they are posted in the third-world. The CIA is leery of hiring 1st generation Americans born of immigrants, so that's a limiting factor. Perhaps this is why our intelligence services rely so heavily on electronic intelligence and much less on human intelligence.

    “it’s a long standing truism that the CIA station chief is always immediately known to the locals, wherever they are posted in the third-world.”

    How would they know which embassy official it is? Don’t many of them interact with the locals?

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    Because they would know who isn't the CIA man and there's only a handful of candidates to start with.
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  51. Not Raul says:
    @Jeremiah Bullfrog
    Red hair doesn't go grey like other hair colors; it fades with age and ends up white or greyish white. Of course, Robert Redford may actively resist the process.

    CIA chiefs and indeed other operatives often give themselves away by driving conspicuous clean black SUVs with heavily tinted windows when everyone else drives beat up white Toyotas.

    “CIA chiefs and indeed other operatives often give themselves away by driving conspicuous clean black SUVs with heavily tinted windows when everyone else drives beat up white Toyotas.”

    None of them drive Toyotas? How could a potential asset have any confidence that they wouldn’t be caught? Do all embassy officials drive black SUVs?

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  52. Jack D says:
    @Almost Missouri

    "Americans of German descent are considered to be WASPs for all intents and purposes in modern America."
     
    While I agree with you philologically that wASp = Anglo-Saxon = German and so on, I think that socio-culturally this is not quite true. I say this because while visiting a card-carrying Mayflower WASP family of my acquaintance, a couple of the elders were at pains to make a distinction that one of their number was descended from "a German" in the late 19th/early 20th century rather than being part of the regular WASP lines like the rest of them. A fine distinction, admittedly, and one that outsiders probably don't see or even care about, but I'm just saying that actual WASPs don't consider themselves synonymous with Germanics (or vice versa) even today.

    I think this descends from the WASP founding fathers, who were explicit and unabashed that Germans were a different (and not quite as good) race as their English selves, though I don't recall offhand in what they thought German inferiority consisted. Maybe too often Catholic?

    I do think you are correct that outsiders, e.g., that Erdely chick, seem to lump them together, possibly as a way to tar the genteel-to-a-fault WASP (former) establishment with the misdeeds of anyone with fair hair or a Germanic name. Sorta like the FBI stats count Hispanics as "white" when committing crimes, but separate when victims.

    This ran both ways – Mencken (and some other Germans) thought that the WASPs were the inferior race – cowardly, prone to moral panics, pseudo-intellectual rather than truly intellectual, bullies with an inferiority complex, etc.

    I don’t doubt that there are a few WASP dinosaurs still alive who sniff at the German newcomers but these people will soon be off to the cemetery, but not before attending the weddings of their grandchildren, who will marry not just Germans but Jews, Asians, Latinos, etc. – it’s enough to give old Miles Standish a heart attack.

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    Well, the Germans aren't necessarily newcomers. Plenty go back to colonial times.

    Mencken was right about "prone to moral panics" and "pseudo-intellectual".

    Also, I should say that the old guys who made the German-not-WASP distinction weren't being negative (or "sniffy") about Germans, somewhat the contrary actually: attributing high intelligence and artistic creativity to the German's descendants (i.e., not the gentleman's-C-type scholars). They just wanted to be clear about who was what. For the sake of HBD, I was thankful.

    As for that WASP family, they are already marrying Jews, Japanese, Scandinavians, Greco-Italians, and recently even Slavs, among what I've seen. These marriages appear to work well, too. Perhaps being mostly upper-middle class+ helps.
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  53. Robert Hanssen was an anomaly. I hope…

    Candaulist Intelligence Agency?

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  54. Jack D says:
    @PiltdownMan

    “CIA higher-ups were almost always portrayed as cruel, devious, and incompetent uber-WASPs with thin lips and thinning hair.”
     
    Matt Damon in The Good Shepherd comes to mind, though he didn't have thinning hair. Just hair that was tightly combed with a dollop of Brylcreem in the style of those uber-WASPs in those days. Perhaps that caused the hair to thin, prematurely.

    http://onmilwaukee.com/images/articles/th/thegoodshepherd/thegoodshepherd_story1.jpg

    Empirically speaking, I've noticed that an unusual number of investment bankers and money men seem to go prematurely grey in their 30s.

    Regarding our spies amidst darker peoples, it's a long standing truism that the CIA station chief is always immediately known to the locals, wherever they are posted in the third-world. The CIA is leery of hiring 1st generation Americans born of immigrants, so that's a limiting factor. Perhaps this is why our intelligence services rely so heavily on electronic intelligence and much less on human intelligence.

    Americans really suck at human intelligence. It goes against our open and honest nature. Russians automatically assume that you are a spy even if you aren’t and Americans assume that you are not a spy even if you are.

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    Americans really suck at human intelligence. It goes against our open and honest nature. Russians automatically assume that you are a spy even if you aren’t and Americans assume that you are not a spy even if you are.
     
    Against that, they might be in a stronger position to 'turn' enemy spies, by offering green cards + new identities, essentially.

    Few people want to move to Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela, etc, if they don't have to.
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  55. Forbes says:
    @Almost Missouri

    "Americans of German descent are considered to be WASPs for all intents and purposes in modern America."
     
    While I agree with you philologically that wASp = Anglo-Saxon = German and so on, I think that socio-culturally this is not quite true. I say this because while visiting a card-carrying Mayflower WASP family of my acquaintance, a couple of the elders were at pains to make a distinction that one of their number was descended from "a German" in the late 19th/early 20th century rather than being part of the regular WASP lines like the rest of them. A fine distinction, admittedly, and one that outsiders probably don't see or even care about, but I'm just saying that actual WASPs don't consider themselves synonymous with Germanics (or vice versa) even today.

    I think this descends from the WASP founding fathers, who were explicit and unabashed that Germans were a different (and not quite as good) race as their English selves, though I don't recall offhand in what they thought German inferiority consisted. Maybe too often Catholic?

    I do think you are correct that outsiders, e.g., that Erdely chick, seem to lump them together, possibly as a way to tar the genteel-to-a-fault WASP (former) establishment with the misdeeds of anyone with fair hair or a Germanic name. Sorta like the FBI stats count Hispanics as "white" when committing crimes, but separate when victims.

    Anyone of the “card-carrying Mayflower” type has to make that fine a distinction–otherwise, what’s the point of making the distinction about oneself as card-carrying Mayflower descendent?

    My family descends from early 17th century WASP founding stock, but we don’t wallow in historic nostalgia. Those were treacherous crossing voyages, while life in the colonies was pretty hardscrabble for generations. It’s one thing to know who you are/where you’re from (heritage), it’s another to know what you’ve been through to survive.

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  56. @Jack D
    Americans of German descent are considered to be WASPs for all intents and purposes in modern America. The Angles and the Saxons were from Germany to begin with and Germany is the home of Protestantism. So Germans slot in nicely as WASPs. Starting with WWI, Americans of German descent made conscious efforts to erase any remaining vestige of Germanness in themselves and their children, so that all that was left was a German surname and sometimes even that was Anglicized.

    …and Germany is the home of Protestantism.

    Interestingly, German Catholics in America are among the most conservative religiously. Check out The Wanderer and its even more reactionary The Remnant, founded by a German or Austrian family. (“Reactionary” is meant as a compliment, by the way.)

    Yet no group of Catholic immigrants assimilated faster. The Irish, in contrast, were more flexible in religion (they inspired the Vatican’s naming a heresy “Americanism”), but kept apart racially, at least in their minds, much longer.

    I was surprised to learn that St Paul, given its Irish reputation, actually has more Germans, and has had for over a century. But they blend in more. Note that Charles M Schulz named his alter ego Charlie Brown.

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    Most of Germans who immigrated to this country, whether they were Protestant or Catholic, either had some sort of skilled trade or were farmers. Meanwhile, the typical 19th century Irish immigrant was usually delineated on census forms as "laborer." Also, the Germans generally migrated to more rural areas in the Midwest while the Irish kept to the industrial cities.
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  57. eD says:
    @Almost Missouri

    "Americans of German descent are considered to be WASPs for all intents and purposes in modern America."
     
    While I agree with you philologically that wASp = Anglo-Saxon = German and so on, I think that socio-culturally this is not quite true. I say this because while visiting a card-carrying Mayflower WASP family of my acquaintance, a couple of the elders were at pains to make a distinction that one of their number was descended from "a German" in the late 19th/early 20th century rather than being part of the regular WASP lines like the rest of them. A fine distinction, admittedly, and one that outsiders probably don't see or even care about, but I'm just saying that actual WASPs don't consider themselves synonymous with Germanics (or vice versa) even today.

    I think this descends from the WASP founding fathers, who were explicit and unabashed that Germans were a different (and not quite as good) race as their English selves, though I don't recall offhand in what they thought German inferiority consisted. Maybe too often Catholic?

    I do think you are correct that outsiders, e.g., that Erdely chick, seem to lump them together, possibly as a way to tar the genteel-to-a-fault WASP (former) establishment with the misdeeds of anyone with fair hair or a Germanic name. Sorta like the FBI stats count Hispanics as "white" when committing crimes, but separate when victims.

    On German-Americans, the difference in the United States between people of British Protestant background and people of German background shows up most clearly when looking at the ethnic backgrounds of US Presidents.

    Only Eisenhower among Presidents clearly had mostly German ancestry, and there is some dispute about which others had German ancestry among the others. Wikipedia, on its “List of German Americans” (type “List of German Americans” into Wikipedia), currently lists Teddy Roosevelt, Nixon, George W Bush, and Obama as well as Eisenhower as Presidents with some German ancestry, and I’ve seen Nixon on other lists.

    In contrast, there are no or one President who had no ancestors from the British isles (the one would be Martin Van Buren), and the vast majority had English ancestry, often with no other ethnic groups mixed in. Kennedy of course was the only Catholic ancestry. The second highest ethnic origin after English is Scottish, followed by Dutch.

    Its pretty much the same pattern if you look at major party nominees for the office, or at the Veeps.

    The highest reaches of the American establishment has always been a WASP preserve and in many ways still is, though more recently Jews have been incorporated and probably a few Catholics and Mormons have also been allowed in recently, grudgingly in the case of the Catholics. Someone of German Jewish ancestry is more likely to operate at that level now than a German Catholic.

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    Yes, presidency of the federal government has been pretty WASPy, but that's already disintegrating.

    If presidencies are the yardstick, check out the heads of corporations and universities. Hardly any WASPs anymore.
    , @snorlax
    Hoover was just under 50% German.
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  58. Lagertha says:

    totally, OT: but, there was a really revolting ad against a Dr. William Petit in CT, who is running as a Republican, that Trump could go to town with….since his name is linked to it. THINKING PETIT DOESN’T RESPECT WOMEN IS JUST FRACKING UNBELIEVABLE TO SUGGEST OR HINT THAT!!!

    Some really disgusting people in the DNC thought linking Petit to Trump is a smart idea. Sheeesh! This man’s home was invaded by two thugs: they tortured everyone (Petit was tide-up in the basement); forced his wife at gun point to go get money from the bank; later, raped the wife (and strangled her) and teen-age daughters; tied them up and burned them alive. This should be NATIONAL NEWS and on EVERY NETWORK who INSIST ON BELIEVING THEY TELL THE TRUTH/NEWS to the AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!

    Sometimes, I think Trump will win out of spite. Here’s a link:

    http://www.courant.com/politics/elections/hc-petit-trump-ad-20161026-story.html

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  59. Watergate burglar Eugenio Martinez was a paid CIA asset. You remember him, the guy who tried to swallow a key to Maxie Wells desk.

    http://jimhougan.com/wordpress/?p=11

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  60. guest says:
    @neutral
    Does anyone know of a spy drama tv show or movie that depicts Chinese spies ? The Russian secret agent (and sometimes entire family) is a common tv trope, but I have yet to come across a Chinese one. I think this is done for two reasons. The first reason is the obvious protest one will get, depicting a non white as anything but an absolutely loyal American will have a SJW crusade coming your way.

    The second reason is a more thornier one in some ways, if the Chinese spy has infiltrated America and pretends to be American but is in fact loyal to China then it will not take long for the real world reality (that he is loyal for racial reasons) to enter peoples thoughts. For a Russian spy that racial thinking is simply not there.

    “24″ had Chinese spies. One season Kiefer Sutherland breaks into the Chinese embassy to steal evidence, or something. Later he’s nabbed, taken to the Chinese hinterlands, and tortured.

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  61. guest says:
    @NickG
    The last movie I saw Robert Redford in, I think, was the Horse Whisperer. Which, the IMDB tells me, came out 18 years ago, way back in 1998. Even then Redford was as wrinkled as a scrotum. Though he may have had a few re-treads since then.

    He's not the world's best actor, his performances strike me as forced and pastiche. Redford was shockingly awful as an Englishman in Out of Africa. Right up there with Dick van Lesbian in the 1964 movie Mary Poppins, starring a fresh faced,wholesome and perfectly dictioned Julie Andrews.

    Redford isn’t a good actor, but he’s a pretty good movie star. He’s handsome, and people like and trust him. Sort of like a Kevin Costner. They have no range, and can be wooden, but the audience believes in them.

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  62. Sean says:

    Redford and Pitt both have rather broad faces with extremely strong jawlines, and excellent heads of thick wavy hair. The ladies love it. In Kalifornia where he plays a Southern misogynist, Pit”s hair was covered with a (Confederate battle flag) baseball cap, while a beard hid his jaw.

    Anyway, are there ethnic differences in tendency to have thinning hair? I could imagine that American Indians don’t have much of it, but among whites, it mostly seems to come up as a WASP stereotype in CIA movies.

    Yes, more common among north Europeans with the weak features that are called “Nordic” (long narrow face). North Europeans tend to have straight fine hair with a tendency to baldness. Like most of European characteristics, male pattern baldness is a side effect of sexual selection of women.

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  63. res says:
    @Anonym
    One of the criticisms of TGS is that Damon doesn’t age. But if the model was JJA, just take a look at a picture. De Niro did the right thing by not including the hair loss cues of aging in Damon. Norwood 1 or 2 from memory. Really loved his alcohol too from accounts.

    Balding is caused by the DHT. DHT is synthesized by testosterone and rate/extent of MPB is determined by response of androgen receptors on scalp. Once your body starts to produce testosterone at a high rate from your teens or worse, is exacerbated from artificial test, the inevitable DHT starts shrinking and killing hair follicles.

    Absent finasteride, lowering T lowers DHT so logically, decrease T and keep your hair.

    Alcohol lowers T, so lowers DHT, hence the connection with retaining hair. Obesity also lowers T, so one would expect fat but well coiffed men.

    Benign Prostate Hypertrophy is caused by the same thing as hair loss (DHT), so if receptor affinity is equal then one would expect baldness and BPH to be similar for ethnicities. It may or may not be the case though.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10647663

    There is some evidence that a sedentary lifestyle encourages BPH. If the cause is increased DHT, then one would expect either more T in sedentary individuals (seems unlikely) or maybe less alpha reductase enzyme produced. But apparently there may be less T in less sedentary individuals, according to the article. In any case, that would explain the Civil War photographs someone noticed.

    http://www.harvardprostateknowledge.org/exercise-and-benign-prostatic-hyperplasia-bph

    I wonder if the modern diet (lots of meat and fats) increases testosterone. If so, that also might explain the difference in 19th century men vs 21st century Western men.

    https://www.muscleforlife.com/9-ways-to-naturally-boost-your-testosterone-production/

    One thing that is interesting is the way the scalps of babies mimics MPB in reverse, in the various different patterns. It seems likely that as the hair begins to flow, so shall it ebb.

    Interestingly, female pattern baldness (a horseshoe like pattern) can be caused by PCOS, which in turn can increase male androgen production, as one would expect. One would also expect high sex drive in such women.

    Interesting. Given all of that, one would think saw palmetto might help prevent baldness. Some think it does: http://www.healthline.com/health/saw-palmetto-hair-loss

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  64. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The CIA generally did not actually have American born and raised CIA agents pretend to be Russian and try to infiltrate Russian institutions. That is almost impossible to do, especially in a police state like the USSR. An undercover CIA agent typically has a non-CIA, American cover like diplomat, journalist, businessman, etc., and he operates as a handler for the Russian or whatever foreign asset already on the inside.

    There’s much more direct infiltration by the FBI and domestic law enforcement because it’s much easier. Joe Pistone aka Donnie Brasco was from New Jersey, Sicilian, could speak Italian, and knew the mafia from growing up in Jersey.

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    Reading between the lines he committed crimes, but he was never going to be a made member of the Mafia without committing a murder.
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  65. ten miles says:

    Recently three white men from Kansas were arrested for planning to bomb a heavily Somali apartment complex. When I read the story, I thought it likely an informant probably encouraged them to do it, because if enacted, the explosion would have garnered sympathy for the Somalis. I dont have the link handy, but a web search should retrieve the article for any one interested in reading further.

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  66. J.Ross says: • Website

    Right after IX/XI there was a good article in a serious newspaper like WSJ, quoting an anonymous CIA official on the difficulties of recruitment, to the effect of: they wanted fresh Ivy grads to spurn a booming economy and top law firms, and instead get a deep sunburn and have several teeth removed.(Interestingly, widespread popular disgust at the CIA as treasonous and failed was not discussed.)

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  67. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The Mormon CIA guy running for president, Evan McMullin, is 40 and very youthful looking, but has significant male pattern baldness and shaves his head. A lot of younger and youthful looking guys who are balding often shave their heads to try to compensate for the thinning hair look, but I think the bald head look only really works for hardened older looking guys like Bruce Willis or the Rock. Younger guys with thinning or balding hair look more dignified with decent, trimmed, neat haircuts. The shaved head look with young guys produces a kind of adult baby appearance. Evan McMullin would be more appealing as a candidate if he didn’t shave his head.

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  68. Bob123 says:

    And James Jessu Angelton. My beau idee of a “CompanyMan”. Will the CIA/FBI all look like him
    in the next century.

    “James Jesus Angleton was born in Boise, Idaho, to James Hugh Angleton and Carmen Mercedes Moreno. His parents met in Mexico while his father was a cavalry officer serving under General John Pershing”

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    Kim Philby's treachery warped JJA forever, and he did a lot of damage in the CIA afterwards trying to make up for having been fooled so badly. The British are rather clever.
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  69. mobi says:
    @Jack D
    Americans really suck at human intelligence. It goes against our open and honest nature. Russians automatically assume that you are a spy even if you aren't and Americans assume that you are not a spy even if you are.

    Americans really suck at human intelligence. It goes against our open and honest nature. Russians automatically assume that you are a spy even if you aren’t and Americans assume that you are not a spy even if you are.

    Against that, they might be in a stronger position to ‘turn’ enemy spies, by offering green cards + new identities, essentially.

    Few people want to move to Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela, etc, if they don’t have to.

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  70. mobi says:

    If it’s true that Trumpism is most popular of all among military/law enforcement types (there’s some evidence of that), then I wonder how long before some of these agent provocateurs begin to think like double agents.

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  71. Cortes says:

    Very insightful and funny. Thank you.

    The Company was depicted in one classic spy movie by the magnificently English-sounding Geoffrey Cambridge, a name conjuring up John Major and his sepia fantasyland of aging spinsters cycling to Vespers past the village duck pond while the cricketers enjoy a pint of warm beer:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hnvWH85gaMk

    neutral @28 may be interested to learn that Chinese agents play a role.

    On the baldy theme, I’m currently sporting a “Zinedine Zidane” with an expanding misplaced tonsure on top of the head instead of at the crown. The result is most disheartening, though the remaining hair is still quite dark. Plus I m nearly 60, while poor ZZ endured his “Calvary” in his late 20s. On an ethnic note ZZ appears to be a Berber (descendant of Vandals!) while my background is bog Irish and I’m drinking Guinness just now.

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    Error: Godfrey, not Geoffrey Cambridge.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    The President's Analyst was a great movie, and Godfrey Cambridge was a big part of it. Funny guy who died way too young.
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  73. @Jack D
    This ran both ways - Mencken (and some other Germans) thought that the WASPs were the inferior race - cowardly, prone to moral panics, pseudo-intellectual rather than truly intellectual, bullies with an inferiority complex, etc.

    I don't doubt that there are a few WASP dinosaurs still alive who sniff at the German newcomers but these people will soon be off to the cemetery, but not before attending the weddings of their grandchildren, who will marry not just Germans but Jews, Asians, Latinos, etc. - it's enough to give old Miles Standish a heart attack.

    Well, the Germans aren’t necessarily newcomers. Plenty go back to colonial times.

    Mencken was right about “prone to moral panics” and “pseudo-intellectual”.

    Also, I should say that the old guys who made the German-not-WASP distinction weren’t being negative (or “sniffy”) about Germans, somewhat the contrary actually: attributing high intelligence and artistic creativity to the German’s descendants (i.e., not the gentleman’s-C-type scholars). They just wanted to be clear about who was what. For the sake of HBD, I was thankful.

    As for that WASP family, they are already marrying Jews, Japanese, Scandinavians, Greco-Italians, and recently even Slavs, among what I’ve seen. These marriages appear to work well, too. Perhaps being mostly upper-middle class+ helps.

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    "...even Slavs"

    Like Tesla, Mendeleev, Brzezinski, or Madame Curie?
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  74. @Anonym
    One of the criticisms of TGS is that Damon doesn’t age. But if the model was JJA, just take a look at a picture. De Niro did the right thing by not including the hair loss cues of aging in Damon. Norwood 1 or 2 from memory. Really loved his alcohol too from accounts.

    Balding is caused by the DHT. DHT is synthesized by testosterone and rate/extent of MPB is determined by response of androgen receptors on scalp. Once your body starts to produce testosterone at a high rate from your teens or worse, is exacerbated from artificial test, the inevitable DHT starts shrinking and killing hair follicles.

    Absent finasteride, lowering T lowers DHT so logically, decrease T and keep your hair.

    Alcohol lowers T, so lowers DHT, hence the connection with retaining hair. Obesity also lowers T, so one would expect fat but well coiffed men.

    Benign Prostate Hypertrophy is caused by the same thing as hair loss (DHT), so if receptor affinity is equal then one would expect baldness and BPH to be similar for ethnicities. It may or may not be the case though.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10647663

    There is some evidence that a sedentary lifestyle encourages BPH. If the cause is increased DHT, then one would expect either more T in sedentary individuals (seems unlikely) or maybe less alpha reductase enzyme produced. But apparently there may be less T in less sedentary individuals, according to the article. In any case, that would explain the Civil War photographs someone noticed.

    http://www.harvardprostateknowledge.org/exercise-and-benign-prostatic-hyperplasia-bph

    I wonder if the modern diet (lots of meat and fats) increases testosterone. If so, that also might explain the difference in 19th century men vs 21st century Western men.

    https://www.muscleforlife.com/9-ways-to-naturally-boost-your-testosterone-production/

    One thing that is interesting is the way the scalps of babies mimics MPB in reverse, in the various different patterns. It seems likely that as the hair begins to flow, so shall it ebb.

    Interestingly, female pattern baldness (a horseshoe like pattern) can be caused by PCOS, which in turn can increase male androgen production, as one would expect. One would also expect high sex drive in such women.

    The rapper Coolio (Gangsta’s Paradise) was in court this week.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BMEmhOjDICz/?taken-by=thacelebriteaofficial

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  75. Fredrik says:
    @Not Raul
    "it’s a long standing truism that the CIA station chief is always immediately known to the locals, wherever they are posted in the third-world."

    How would they know which embassy official it is? Don't many of them interact with the locals?

    Because they would know who isn’t the CIA man and there’s only a handful of candidates to start with.

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  76. @eD
    On German-Americans, the difference in the United States between people of British Protestant background and people of German background shows up most clearly when looking at the ethnic backgrounds of US Presidents.

    Only Eisenhower among Presidents clearly had mostly German ancestry, and there is some dispute about which others had German ancestry among the others. Wikipedia, on its "List of German Americans" (type "List of German Americans" into Wikipedia), currently lists Teddy Roosevelt, Nixon, George W Bush, and Obama as well as Eisenhower as Presidents with some German ancestry, and I've seen Nixon on other lists.

    In contrast, there are no or one President who had no ancestors from the British isles (the one would be Martin Van Buren), and the vast majority had English ancestry, often with no other ethnic groups mixed in. Kennedy of course was the only Catholic ancestry. The second highest ethnic origin after English is Scottish, followed by Dutch.

    Its pretty much the same pattern if you look at major party nominees for the office, or at the Veeps.

    The highest reaches of the American establishment has always been a WASP preserve and in many ways still is, though more recently Jews have been incorporated and probably a few Catholics and Mormons have also been allowed in recently, grudgingly in the case of the Catholics. Someone of German Jewish ancestry is more likely to operate at that level now than a German Catholic.

    Yes, presidency of the federal government has been pretty WASPy, but that’s already disintegrating.

    If presidencies are the yardstick, check out the heads of corporations and universities. Hardly any WASPs anymore.

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  77. Spoons says:

    My dad’s hair thinned gradually to the point where he is nearly bald now. Only when he was mostly bald was there any sort of pattern, for decades it just thinned evenly. No gray or white either, though his beard has a bunch of gray mixed in. He’s of Bavarian and Irish ancestry.

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  78. Boomstick says:
    @Anonymous
    I do wonder why we still hire these All-American boys to do humint in the third world.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/02/world/middleeast/a-cia-grunts-tale-of-the-fog-of-secret-war-douglas-laux.html

    "Raised in rural Indiana, Mr. Laux had never ventured far from home when he watched the World Trade Center crash to the ground via a television on the campus of Indiana University, where he was a freshman. He submitted an online application to the C.I.A. in his senior year — he had noticed an advertisement for the spy agency on a campus job board — waited months and, after a series of mysterious phone calls, was told to report for an interview in Washington. He was accepted into a C.I.A. program that eventually led to the standard course for operations officers at “the Farm,” the agency’s training facility at Camp Peary in Virginia.

    Mr. Laux was in Afghanistan when American troops were dying in large numbers, many of them from roadside bombs built in makeshift factories across the border in Pakistan. In his book, Mr. Laux recounts how he ran a web of informants to try to hunt down people who had turned the bomb making into a lucrative business. (The book’s title, “Left of Boom,” is Pentagon-ese for efforts by soldiers and spies to dismantle the militant networks before they were able to plant the bombs.)"

    “Ishmael Jones” writes about being a non-official cover spy, ie not a “cultural attache” with diplomatic immunity who goes to cocktail parties at the embassy:

    https://www.amazon.com/Human-Factor-Dysfunctional-Intelligence-Culture/dp/159403382X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1477606283&sr=8-2&keywords=ishmael+jones

    He says the CIA HUMINT operation isn’t real big on risk-taking or results. Fledgling officers spend a lot of time in the US attempting to recruit agents from the many foreign visitors to the US. Some other former NOC people chime in in the comments.

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  79. Yak-15 says:
    @TheJester
    My wife is very observant. I used to be a Civil War buff with shelves of albums of Civil War photos. One day my wife commented on the full heads of hair on the young boys and men of that era ... not a bald head among them.

    Today, you only have to "look and see" to discover large numbers of young men in their mid-20s with bald or almost bald heads. Something changed since the 1860s. I attribute it to chemical pollution from endocrine disruptors that are prevalent in the environment and the water supply -- really a chemical sewer.

    To be relevant to the post, the new, younger CIA agents can be bald or partially bald with the "must-have" day old beard (although I understand it takes about a week to grow one).

    Possible but Caesar was bald.

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  80. OT, except for the “infiltration” part. Wisconsin’s two richest, most educated, and most politically active districts were completely at odds politically in 2012:

    http://archive.jsonline.com/blogs/news/189585801.html

    Also true of what seem to be the two whitest, the 3rd and the 7th. The 3rd used to be moderate Republican, and the 7th communist/Democrat, but in recent years have switched sides.

    Obviously, the 5th and the 7th have “the wrong kind of white people”. And the 2nd and 3rd, the right kind.

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  81. Yak-15 says:
    @JohnnyD
    In reality, guys in the CIA were much more exciting and colorful than what you see in the movies. William Donovan, one of the agency's founders, was nicknamed "Wild Bill." And by 1945, James Burnham, one of the agency's favorite intellectuals, had already lived an interesting life as an ex-Trotskyist. We also know that the CIA was sponsoring and funding all types of avant-garde movements, provided they could be used against the communists.

    Reading the amazing exploits of the founders of the CIA makes you wonder why the never made any movies about them.

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    The Good Shepherd was fiction based on James Jesus Angleton's career in the CIA.
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  82. @Yak-15
    Reading the amazing exploits of the founders of the CIA makes you wonder why the never made any movies about them.

    The Good Shepherd was fiction based on James Jesus Angleton’s career in the CIA.

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    That movie was interesting but I want more wild stories. One about this guy's life would be extraordinarily fascinating.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Young_(CIA_officer)
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  83. Cortes says:
    @Cortes
    Very insightful and funny. Thank you.

    The Company was depicted in one classic spy movie by the magnificently English-sounding Geoffrey Cambridge, a name conjuring up John Major and his sepia fantasyland of aging spinsters cycling to Vespers past the village duck pond while the cricketers enjoy a pint of warm beer:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hnvWH85gaMk

    neutral @28 may be interested to learn that Chinese agents play a role.

    On the baldy theme, I'm currently sporting a "Zinedine Zidane" with an expanding misplaced tonsure on top of the head instead of at the crown. The result is most disheartening, though the remaining hair is still quite dark. Plus I m nearly 60, while poor ZZ endured his "Calvary" in his late 20s. On an ethnic note ZZ appears to be a Berber (descendant of Vandals!) while my background is bog Irish and I'm drinking Guinness just now.

    Error: Godfrey, not Geoffrey Cambridge.

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  84. Carl G. says:

    Former Harper’s editor Lewis Lapham’s account of his interview with the CIA tells you all you need to know.

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    Former Harper’s editor Lewis Lapham’s account of his interview with the CIA tells you all you need to know.
     
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/20/AR2006032001945.html
    , @Boomstick
    From the story:

    "The second question was: You're coming in on the final tack at the Hay Harbor on Fishers Island in the late afternoon -- what tack do you take? I don't remember what the answer was, but I got it right because I had sailed at Fishers Island."

    As the WaPo skeptically noted: "It's a great story, so great that it sounds . . . just a tad too good to be true. "
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  85. Hibernian says:
    @Almost Missouri
    Well, the Germans aren't necessarily newcomers. Plenty go back to colonial times.

    Mencken was right about "prone to moral panics" and "pseudo-intellectual".

    Also, I should say that the old guys who made the German-not-WASP distinction weren't being negative (or "sniffy") about Germans, somewhat the contrary actually: attributing high intelligence and artistic creativity to the German's descendants (i.e., not the gentleman's-C-type scholars). They just wanted to be clear about who was what. For the sake of HBD, I was thankful.

    As for that WASP family, they are already marrying Jews, Japanese, Scandinavians, Greco-Italians, and recently even Slavs, among what I've seen. These marriages appear to work well, too. Perhaps being mostly upper-middle class+ helps.

    “…even Slavs”

    Like Tesla, Mendeleev, Brzezinski, or Madame Curie?

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  86. Jason Bayz says: • Website

    “Another thing is that Federal agencies like the FBI and ATF mainly employ young-to-middle-aged white guys, so if your organization looks like that, they’re all set to infiltrate you. If your org is full of weedy Near Easterners or scabrous ghetto thugs, well, you can go your way unmolested by the Feds.”

    I’ve always thought these “informants” aren’t actual FBI agents. For an agent, being away from your family from months on end so you can live in a trailer park and eavesdrop on people who probably aren’t going to do anything violent, that doesn’t sound like a great proposition. Instead, they recruit people who are already members of these groups, real “nazis” but nazis who like money and not going to jail when their meth lab is discovered. Since they are still sympathetic to the “cause” they aren’t great sources of information, so multiple people will be recruited to keep eyes on one another.

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  87. MarkinLA says:
    @Tim Howells

    Commenter Almost Missouri writes:

    Federal agencies like the FBI and ATF mainly employ young-to-middle-aged white guys, so if your organization looks like that, they’re all set to infiltrate you. If your org is full of weedy Near Easterners or scabrous ghetto thugs, well, you can go your way unmolested by the Feds.
     

     
    Actually these groups are very easy to infiltrate using paid informers. Especially muslim groups, since the Mujahedin in Afghanistan had been infiltrated and controlled by Washington since at least 1979, and were deliberately used (per Zbigniew Brzezinski) in order to draw the Soviets into a quagmire there.

    http://dgibbs.faculty.arizona.edu/brzezinski_interview

    For a fascinating read by one such informer and infiltrator see My Jihad by Aukai Collins.

    https://www.amazon.com/My-Jihad-American-Mujahids-Counterterrorism/dp/1585745650

    and controlled by

    Not sure this is true. They want the jihad and we didn’t have to convince or control them just supply them with arms and money.

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    Without state sponsors, the Jihadists would never have been any kind of threat to the Soviets or any Western power. e.g. the use of SAMs was critical to their success in Afghanistan. To get sponsorship the Mujahideen had to perform as required. To get a feel for the extent of control there's an authoritative book by Mohammad Yousaf who headed up the Afghan desk for the ISI (Pakistani intelligence). He was the go-between for the CIA and the muj. It's a great read.

    https://www.amazon.com/Afghanistan-Bear-Trap-Defeat-Superpower/dp/0971170924

    After the Soviets left Afghanistan we started shipping the Jihadists around the world e.g. to Bosnia and the Phillipines.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2005/291105controlus.htm
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  88. Yak-15 says:
    @PiltdownMan
    The Good Shepherd was fiction based on James Jesus Angleton's career in the CIA.

    That movie was interesting but I want more wild stories. One about this guy’s life would be extraordinarily fascinating.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Young_(CIA_officer)

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  89. @Anon
    Redford is 80.

    And still a d**k.

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  90. snorlax says:
    @eD
    On German-Americans, the difference in the United States between people of British Protestant background and people of German background shows up most clearly when looking at the ethnic backgrounds of US Presidents.

    Only Eisenhower among Presidents clearly had mostly German ancestry, and there is some dispute about which others had German ancestry among the others. Wikipedia, on its "List of German Americans" (type "List of German Americans" into Wikipedia), currently lists Teddy Roosevelt, Nixon, George W Bush, and Obama as well as Eisenhower as Presidents with some German ancestry, and I've seen Nixon on other lists.

    In contrast, there are no or one President who had no ancestors from the British isles (the one would be Martin Van Buren), and the vast majority had English ancestry, often with no other ethnic groups mixed in. Kennedy of course was the only Catholic ancestry. The second highest ethnic origin after English is Scottish, followed by Dutch.

    Its pretty much the same pattern if you look at major party nominees for the office, or at the Veeps.

    The highest reaches of the American establishment has always been a WASP preserve and in many ways still is, though more recently Jews have been incorporated and probably a few Catholics and Mormons have also been allowed in recently, grudgingly in the case of the Catholics. Someone of German Jewish ancestry is more likely to operate at that level now than a German Catholic.

    Hoover was just under 50% German.

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  91. @Bob123
    And James Jessu Angelton. My beau idee of a "CompanyMan". Will the CIA/FBI all look like him
    in the next century.

    "James Jesus Angleton was born in Boise, Idaho, to James Hugh Angleton and Carmen Mercedes Moreno. His parents met in Mexico while his father was a cavalry officer serving under General John Pershing"

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/James_Jesus_Angleton.jpg

    Kim Philby’s treachery warped JJA forever, and he did a lot of damage in the CIA afterwards trying to make up for having been fooled so badly. The British are rather clever.

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  92. @Cortes
    Very insightful and funny. Thank you.

    The Company was depicted in one classic spy movie by the magnificently English-sounding Geoffrey Cambridge, a name conjuring up John Major and his sepia fantasyland of aging spinsters cycling to Vespers past the village duck pond while the cricketers enjoy a pint of warm beer:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hnvWH85gaMk

    neutral @28 may be interested to learn that Chinese agents play a role.

    On the baldy theme, I'm currently sporting a "Zinedine Zidane" with an expanding misplaced tonsure on top of the head instead of at the crown. The result is most disheartening, though the remaining hair is still quite dark. Plus I m nearly 60, while poor ZZ endured his "Calvary" in his late 20s. On an ethnic note ZZ appears to be a Berber (descendant of Vandals!) while my background is bog Irish and I'm drinking Guinness just now.

    The President’s Analyst was a great movie, and Godfrey Cambridge was a big part of it. Funny guy who died way too young.

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  93. snorlax says:
    @Jack D
    Americans of German descent are considered to be WASPs for all intents and purposes in modern America. The Angles and the Saxons were from Germany to begin with and Germany is the home of Protestantism. So Germans slot in nicely as WASPs. Starting with WWI, Americans of German descent made conscious efforts to erase any remaining vestige of Germanness in themselves and their children, so that all that was left was a German surname and sometimes even that was Anglicized.

    The Dutch (Roosevelt, Schuyler, Vanderbilt) are definitely WASPs, as are Huguenots (du Pont, Gillette, Thoreau). Are the Germans? It’s tough. Astors and Rockefellers are certainly WASPs, but putting millions of obese Midwesterners in that category seems enough to render it meaningless.

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    That's because most of those you list with those old Dutch, Huguenot, and German surnames were generally entirely WASP in ancestry except for the old ancestor who bore the surname. Most of those millions of German-American Midwesterners are mostly German in ancestry, along with having German surnames, and thus aren't WASP.
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  94. Look at these magnificent men and their full heads of grey hair:

    For my Uncle John. The likes of him we’ll never see again.

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  95. Some elderly not-WASPs appear to have figured out the secret of not losing your hair as you age. Quite the opposite.

    It involves never using soap or shampoo on your hair and the use of an herbal supplement.

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    Sounds about right. I rarely wash my hair. Don't see any point in it really.
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  96. @PiltdownMan
    Some elderly not-WASPs appear to have figured out the secret of not losing your hair as you age. Quite the opposite.

    It involves never using soap or shampoo on your hair and the use of an herbal supplement.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PxQgRIpNAg

    Sounds about right. I rarely wash my hair. Don’t see any point in it really.

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  97. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @snorlax
    The Dutch (Roosevelt, Schuyler, Vanderbilt) are definitely WASPs, as are Huguenots (du Pont, Gillette, Thoreau). Are the Germans? It's tough. Astors and Rockefellers are certainly WASPs, but putting millions of obese Midwesterners in that category seems enough to render it meaningless.

    That’s because most of those you list with those old Dutch, Huguenot, and German surnames were generally entirely WASP in ancestry except for the old ancestor who bore the surname. Most of those millions of German-American Midwesterners are mostly German in ancestry, along with having German surnames, and thus aren’t WASP.

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    I know, but the distinction is that even someone of entirely Dutch* or Huguenot ancestry is still a WASP. In fact that would make them extra-WASPy. Whereas that isn't true for German-Americans.

    *provided their ancestors arrived pre-Revolution
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  98. @Carl G.
    Former Harper's editor Lewis Lapham's account of his interview with the CIA tells you all you need to know.

    Former Harper’s editor Lewis Lapham’s account of his interview with the CIA tells you all you need to know.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/20/AR2006032001945.html

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  99. Boomstick says:
    @Carl G.
    Former Harper's editor Lewis Lapham's account of his interview with the CIA tells you all you need to know.

    From the story:

    “The second question was: You’re coming in on the final tack at the Hay Harbor on Fishers Island in the late afternoon — what tack do you take? I don’t remember what the answer was, but I got it right because I had sailed at Fishers Island.”

    As the WaPo skeptically noted: “It’s a great story, so great that it sounds . . . just a tad too good to be true. “

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  100. snorlax says:
    @Anonymous
    That's because most of those you list with those old Dutch, Huguenot, and German surnames were generally entirely WASP in ancestry except for the old ancestor who bore the surname. Most of those millions of German-American Midwesterners are mostly German in ancestry, along with having German surnames, and thus aren't WASP.

    I know, but the distinction is that even someone of entirely Dutch* or Huguenot ancestry is still a WASP. In fact that would make them extra-WASPy. Whereas that isn’t true for German-Americans.

    *provided their ancestors arrived pre-Revolution

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    I'm not actually sure about that. There aren't any people today who are of entirely pre-revolutionary colonial Dutch or Huguenot ancestry. If there were, that would mean there'd be an extant Dutch or Huguenot community distinct from WASPs.
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  101. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The late, great Benny Hill, the celebrated British comedian and vaudevillian – and some rather prudish PC types would say ‘lewd’ vulgarian, was fortunate enough to blessed with a good, strong head of hair well into later life.
    In this context, the ‘ritualistic’ head-slapping of hapless foil Jackie Wright – which was beloved of children and grown-up children, could possibly seen as a ‘reverse’ dominance display.

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    On the subject of great British music hall/TV crossover comedians of the later 20th century, and the issue of male pattern baldness, that celebrated comic, Max Wall, surely deserves a mention.
    One of Max Wall's greatest creations was 'Professor Wolofsky' - an absurd character with a ridiculous bald pate head but long 'doughnut' hair at the back and sides.
    Many a middle-aged hippy in 1970s Britain inadvertently mimicked Max Wall. Francis Rossi of ageing rockers 'Status Quo' is another famous exponent of this particular species of tonsorial accompaniment.
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  102. Karl says:
    @JohnnyD
    In reality, guys in the CIA were much more exciting and colorful than what you see in the movies. William Donovan, one of the agency's founders, was nicknamed "Wild Bill." And by 1945, James Burnham, one of the agency's favorite intellectuals, had already lived an interesting life as an ex-Trotskyist. We also know that the CIA was sponsoring and funding all types of avant-garde movements, provided they could be used against the communists.

    > In reality, guys in the CIA were much more exciting and colorful than what you see in the movies

    the few that I met (in a previous lifetime) were engineers who ran the HF relay stations that were required in the days before sat comms. They showed us the tricks of the trade in making shortwave transmissions be non-direction-find-able. Much appreciated.

    I saw some paystubs – the salaries weren’t really remarkable. There was a steady attrition rate to go take contractor jobs manning radar sites & Loran stations. Much better grosses, and tax-exempt as foreign earned.

    US civil servants don’t get the foreign exemption, you see. Not to mention that the Form 1199 employment-address of record of ALL those guys, is Commonwealth of Virginia.

    I have no connection with that planet since about 25 years now. It’s like raising teenagers – once is enough.

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  103. @MarkinLA
    and controlled by

    Not sure this is true. They want the jihad and we didn't have to convince or control them just supply them with arms and money.

    Without state sponsors, the Jihadists would never have been any kind of threat to the Soviets or any Western power. e.g. the use of SAMs was critical to their success in Afghanistan. To get sponsorship the Mujahideen had to perform as required. To get a feel for the extent of control there’s an authoritative book by Mohammad Yousaf who headed up the Afghan desk for the ISI (Pakistani intelligence). He was the go-between for the CIA and the muj. It’s a great read.

    https://www.amazon.com/Afghanistan-Bear-Trap-Defeat-Superpower/dp/0971170924

    After the Soviets left Afghanistan we started shipping the Jihadists around the world e.g. to Bosnia and the Phillipines.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2005/291105controlus.htm

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  104. @Anonymous Nephew
    Zbigniew Brzezinski is very sure in that 1998 interview that 'a few agitated Muslims' are neither here nor there. Did anyone ask him in 2002 if he'd changed his mind?

    Q : “Some agitated Moslems”? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today...

    B: Nonsense!
     

    Re September 11 2001, like many in these parts I’m a 911 truther, so our take-aways on that will probably be different. Brzezinski seems to have changed his views pretty radically on many things including the threat of Islamism, but it’s always difficult to know what to make of his public statements, e.g. this recent article:

    http://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/04/17/toward-a-global-realignment/

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  105. Evocatus says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    ...and Germany is the home of Protestantism.
     
    Interestingly, German Catholics in America are among the most conservative religiously. Check out The Wanderer and its even more reactionary The Remnant, founded by a German or Austrian family. ("Reactionary" is meant as a compliment, by the way.)

    Yet no group of Catholic immigrants assimilated faster. The Irish, in contrast, were more flexible in religion (they inspired the Vatican's naming a heresy "Americanism"), but kept apart racially, at least in their minds, much longer.

    I was surprised to learn that St Paul, given its Irish reputation, actually has more Germans, and has had for over a century. But they blend in more. Note that Charles M Schulz named his alter ego Charlie Brown.

    Most of Germans who immigrated to this country, whether they were Protestant or Catholic, either had some sort of skilled trade or were farmers. Meanwhile, the typical 19th century Irish immigrant was usually delineated on census forms as “laborer.” Also, the Germans generally migrated to more rural areas in the Midwest while the Irish kept to the industrial cities.

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    Also, the Germans generally migrated to more rural areas in the Midwest while the Irish kept to the industrial cities.
     
    Plenty of Irish went to the sticks, too. The St Paddy's Day parade is the biggest event of the year in my wife's hometown of 8,000.

    And there were a million Germans in NYC when the total population was only five million. That doesn't include German Jews. HL Mencken, Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Ethel Merman, the Trumps… lots of big city Germans.

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  106. Sean says:
    @Anonymous
    The CIA generally did not actually have American born and raised CIA agents pretend to be Russian and try to infiltrate Russian institutions. That is almost impossible to do, especially in a police state like the USSR. An undercover CIA agent typically has a non-CIA, American cover like diplomat, journalist, businessman, etc., and he operates as a handler for the Russian or whatever foreign asset already on the inside.

    There's much more direct infiltration by the FBI and domestic law enforcement because it's much easier. Joe Pistone aka Donnie Brasco was from New Jersey, Sicilian, could speak Italian, and knew the mafia from growing up in Jersey.

    Reading between the lines he committed crimes, but he was never going to be a made member of the Mafia without committing a murder.

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  107. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    In Canada, the ‘Nazis’ there turned out to be Jews.

    In the GOP, the ‘conservatives’ turned out to be Neocons who are conservative about a small tribe than about the nation as a whole. Neocon infiltration of GOP has to be one of the greatest of its kind of all time.

    Neocons. Telling whites to drop tribalism and embrace all peoples(even illegals) while also telling whites to favor Israel and Jews over all else.

    Something had to give somewhere down the line.

    Cognitive Dissonance has its limits even with retards, and yes, white folks have been gone retard due to PC virus which did to their brains what Zika virus did to baby brains in Latin America.

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  108. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @snorlax
    I know, but the distinction is that even someone of entirely Dutch* or Huguenot ancestry is still a WASP. In fact that would make them extra-WASPy. Whereas that isn't true for German-Americans.

    *provided their ancestors arrived pre-Revolution

    I’m not actually sure about that. There aren’t any people today who are of entirely pre-revolutionary colonial Dutch or Huguenot ancestry. If there were, that would mean there’d be an extant Dutch or Huguenot community distinct from WASPs.

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  109. anonguy says:

    Anyway, are there ethnic differences in tendency to have thinning hair?

    For god’s sake, this question on the premier HBD blog?

    C’mon…

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    @Anonymous
    The late, great Benny Hill, the celebrated British comedian and vaudevillian - and some rather prudish PC types would say 'lewd' vulgarian, was fortunate enough to blessed with a good, strong head of hair well into later life.
    In this context, the 'ritualistic' head-slapping of hapless foil Jackie Wright - which was beloved of children and grown-up children, could possibly seen as a 'reverse' dominance display.

    On the subject of great British music hall/TV crossover comedians of the later 20th century, and the issue of male pattern baldness, that celebrated comic, Max Wall, surely deserves a mention.
    One of Max Wall’s greatest creations was ‘Professor Wolofsky’ – an absurd character with a ridiculous bald pate head but long ‘doughnut’ hair at the back and sides.
    Many a middle-aged hippy in 1970s Britain inadvertently mimicked Max Wall. Francis Rossi of ageing rockers ‘Status Quo’ is another famous exponent of this particular species of tonsorial accompaniment.

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  111. @Evocatus
    Most of Germans who immigrated to this country, whether they were Protestant or Catholic, either had some sort of skilled trade or were farmers. Meanwhile, the typical 19th century Irish immigrant was usually delineated on census forms as "laborer." Also, the Germans generally migrated to more rural areas in the Midwest while the Irish kept to the industrial cities.

    Also, the Germans generally migrated to more rural areas in the Midwest while the Irish kept to the industrial cities.

    Plenty of Irish went to the sticks, too. The St Paddy’s Day parade is the biggest event of the year in my wife’s hometown of 8,000.

    And there were a million Germans in NYC when the total population was only five million. That doesn’t include German Jews. HL Mencken, Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Ethel Merman, the Trumps… lots of big city Germans.

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