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From Taki’s Magazine:

Not Affirmative Enough
by Steve Sailer
September 20, 2017

Affirmative action privileges for blacks and (to a lesser extent) Hispanics have been a near-universal feature of college admissions for what is now approaching a half century.

What have we learned since the late 1960s?

Perhaps the strangest result is that the biggest winners from racial quotas have turned out to be blacks who aren’t descended from victimized American slaves but are instead descended from the slave peddlers, or from whites, or, as in the case of Barack Obama, from both.

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. Amasius says:

    Why on earth do Hispanics get affirmative action? With blacks, okay, if you want to go with the official story that Whites made them stupid with slavery and Jim Crow so they need a leg up, but Hispanics? They didn’t even show up in large numbers until after 1965 when White Supremacy ™ was finished. It just sort of blew in, begging the question-style, that these people also deserve special treatment because they aren’t White, and no one ever took issue with it.

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    • Agree: Escher
    • Replies: @KenH
    Affirmative action applies to everyone except white males these days. Most large corporations consider anyone not white and male to be historically marginalized and discriminated against worthy of AA benefits.

    I'm almost positive this exceeds AA laws as written which were only supposed to apply to blacks, but don't expect the Republicans to do anything about it since this is yet another issue where they've totally capitulated to the left after putting up feeble resistance for a couple of decades.
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  2. Tom-in-VA says:

    Why would an American university want more Homer Hickams when they can have more Colin Kaepernicks? What could go wrong?

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  3. Wolfie says:

    I’m wondering how you arrive at the stats regarding SAT scores above 700 from that document. Only the mean and sd of the scores are given. What assumptions about the probability distribution of SAT scores did you make?

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  4. Maj. Kong says:

    Upper-middle class women are the largest beneficiaries of A/A. Indeed, the “sexual harassment” concept was invented to give them a hugbox at work free of icky beta males. Of course, they can’t be “slut shamed” either.

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    I agree. They're best placed to make the most of the anti-White male hiring policies simply because they're the wives and daughters of the men who were running things before. It's a case of being able to have their cake and eat it too. It's also a great way to win over the men currently holding positions of power. They get to be grand and progressive while handing things over to their daughters, daughters-in-law, wives, girlfriends and mistresses.
    , @Henry's Cat

    Upper-middle class women are the largest beneficiaries of A/A.
     
    I've heard the claim that white women are the major beneficiaries of AA on several occasions, usually by black males. But I've never seen a reasoned argument thereof. I've been inclined to interpret the notion simply as a misunderstanding of the reasons behind the rise of women in the workforce, but does it actually have some merit?
    , @Corn
    The liberal journalist Michael Lind, who has been floating around various think tanks and op-ed columns for decades now, once supposedly stated that AA was a scam where its appearance placated poor minorities but more often than not, enriched middle class or wealthy white women.
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  5. Dr. X says:

    Who Are the Foremost Beneficiaries of Affirmative Action?

    The answer is white women who have IQs equal or superior to white males of the second rank. A good example is Hillary Clinton, who was more intelligent than any black candidates but far inferior to Grade-A males she ran against.

    They are the ones who completely dominate higher ed, and a large part of the post-industrial, office/people oriented workforce of today.

    Blacks remain little more than hood ornaments on liberalism’s limousine.

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  6. eah says:
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    "Black children from the wealthiest families"

    That would be whose kids? To cop a running iSteve joke, Antonio Cromartie maybe? Cromartie is probably one of the wealthiest black people in the US. I suspect that percentage wise sports and entertainment is the largest category of US black wealth.

    Paul Robeson Jr seems smart like daddy?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Robeson_Jr.
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  7. Arclight says:

    Interesting, but not surprising. Liberal elites love to trumpet their embrace of diversity and championing of people in protected classes, but in reality they don’t like them any more than the white hillbillies they at least have the honesty to openly deride. Thus they are happy to have the appearance that they are taking in significant number of young urban achievers when in reality they are getting mixed race or foreign students with the right melanin content.

    Good examples of this are gun control and affirmatively furthering fair housing. The left is scared stiff of the poor black residents who live in or near the urban areas they desperately want to rehab and usher in upper class amenities like Whole Foods. With gun control they hope to disarm the most violent group in society while painting conservative NRA member whites as the real problem, and with fair housing they hope to halt the development of affordable housing in urban locations primed for gentrification and instead send them to the suburbs so the GOP voters there have to deal with it instead.

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  8. Nico says:

    I only wish the people who needed to read this, would.

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  9. In fact, O’Connor’s decision concocted the perpetual-motion “diversity rationale” for racial privilege: You see, white students benefit from what quota kids bring to the classroom (such as racial resentment). Since nobody can actually measure the benefits of diversity except through faith, there is no end in sight for racial preferences.

    This rationale was in the original reverse discrimination case Regents of The University Of California v Bakke where Justice Powell invented it. Powell wanted to shut down strict quotas at big schools while still allowing Harvard especially and elite schools in general to use race as part of their more involved and selective admission processes.

    Of course, today even Cal admits 100,000 students a year using a supposedly ‘holistic’ process not based on grades and test scores. The motive and purpose of that process is to impose reverse discrimination, but it fits the rationale and therefore is constitutional. The state constitution explicitly prohibits reverse discrimination but ideological preferences of the bureaucracy have always overridden the California Constitution.

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  10. Jake says:

    The numbers Steve rolls out are, shall we say, sobering. They show how total a waste of virtually every penny Affirmative Action is, how big a lie it is.

    There can only be one response from a woke person: numbers and simple math lie.

    To fight racism, we double the spending on Affirmative Action and bring in many millions more non-whites to receive it.

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    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    The numbers Steve rolls out are, shall we say, sobering. They show how total a waste of virtually every penny Affirmative Action is, how big a lie it is.

    There can only be one response from a woke person: numbers and simple math lie.
     
    Don't forget that Affirmative Action is a zero sum equation.

    For each unqualified or under-qualified admit, a qualified kid who could have availed himself or herself of the resources and opportunities squandered on the AA admit has his or her life potential diminished.

    The liars do a good job of distracting attention from this.
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  11. Jake says:

    “The most disregarded students today are the same kind of people who got us to the moon in 1969.”

    We know who those people are: black women.

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  12. Jake says:

    The ending of Steve’s article should lead to us asking questions such as these?

    Due to Affirmative Action, how many hardline non-white Leftists became tenured professors who otherwise would not have been deemed worthy of such a position? How have those professors aided the causes of decline in actual academic rigor and student behavior? How many white Gentile men who would have made good or even great professors were kept out because their presence did not ‘promote diversity?”

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    "How many white Gentile men who would have made good or even great professors were kept out because their presence did not ‘promote diversity?”

    None. There is no shortage of hard left white males who would love to become professors. The departments would still be politically biased in their hiring without AA.
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  13. benjaminl says:

    Even more depressing than the rest of the news, is the realization that the left-wing playbook of “respond to reasoned argument with protest and intimidation” goes way way back. In 1980-1981, Robert Klitgaard’s CrimeThink led to massive protests and spineless disavowals at Harvard.

    [MORE]

    http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1981/6/4/excerpts-from-the-klitgaard-report-pithe/

    116. The tests are biased at the right tail, in the predictive sense discussed above: a 700 is not a 700 is not a 700. But the direction most people anticipate. Test scores at the right tail often overpredict the later academic performance of women and minorities compared to other students. In fact, at the right tail women perform slightly worse than their scores would predict; blacks also perform worse. Blacks may obtain grades up to half a standard deviation below what their scores would have led one to expect. Examples from the College, the Law School, and the Kennedy School support this point.

    117. In other words, an admissions policy at Harvard that took race into account in “adjusting” the scores of blacks to reflect their later performance would adjust the scores downward.

    118. Equally startling is the underprediction of the academic performance of Jewish students. Using test scores without taking accout of ethnicity ends up discriminating in favor of blacks and against Jews–again, in terms of their later academic performance. These facts are not widely recognized in discussions of testing or admissions policies.

    119. These biases at the right tall can be given a relatively straightforward statistical explanation in terms of “regression toward the mean.” Since Jews have higher scores than blacks, a very high score is closer to the Jewish mean than to the white or black means. Statistically one would therefore expect on average that the regression effect would be greatest for blacks and least for Jews, so that the use of a common prediction equation for all three groups would overestimate the subsequent performance of blacks and underestimate that of Jews. Qualitatively, this explanation fits the observed facts. Quantitatively, its adequacy deserves further study, since other explanations are also plausible.

    http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1981/2/3/bok-to-write-open-letter-on/

    Klitgaard’s draft suggested that high test scores often overpredict the academic performance of Black and women students. After it was made public, more than 200 students protested in the Yard and presented Bok with a list of eight demands.

    The demands included calls for a stronger University commitment to affirmative action and a public disavowal of the report by Bok. Some protest leaders threatened to occupy Massachusetts Hall if Bok failed to meet the demands.

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  14. Wency says:

    Steve:

    It’s clever (and often true) to refer to West African immigrants as the descendants of slave peddlers, but Obama’s ancestry is from Kenya. I suspect you know all this.

    Now, could Obama’s ancestors have been involved in the Arab slave trade? I think that was mostly Ethiopia/Somalia/Eritrea (the Horn), but I don’t know enough to say if it extended to Kenya or not.

    The other side plays pretty fast and loose with the truth, so it’s tempting to play their games, but I think your calling card is seldom-spoken truths.

    Otherwise, good piece.

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    Now, could Obama’s ancestors have been involved in the Arab slave trade? I think that was mostly Ethiopia/Somalia/Eritrea (the Horn), but I don’t know enough to say if it extended to Kenya or not.
     
    The Arabs called the Kenya-Tanzania coast the Zanj. Their main trading point was the island of Zanzibar. In the 800s there had been enough black slaves imported to the region of Iraq that when they rebelled they were able to hold off the caliph's troops for about ten years.

    Obama Sr. was a Luo. The coastal Swahili types and some up-country tribes (Hehe, Nyamwezi, and some others) did most of the slave raiding, right down to the 1890s when the British and German colonialists put a stop to it. Where the Luo fit in, I don't actually know.

    But I did meet a Guinean fellow who told me that in his country it was regular banter to tell someone, "My tribe used to enslave your tribe." Lol
    , @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    Actually I think Obama has a slave ancestor on his mother's side, way back of course. John Punch
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    The Arab slavers had a base at Zanzibar, and Tim Butcher (in his book Blood River) described how he followed the old slave routes into Kenya and on into Central Africa (the whole East African coast was controlled by Arabs down to Mozambique). The last of the Zanzibar slave traders died in 1905, but while some Africans worked for the slave traders, the trade seems to have been controlled by Arabs - a contrast to West Africa. As late as 1964 there was an uprising of Africans against Arabs in Zanzibar in which several thousand Arabs were killed, so there was no love lost.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tippu_Tip
    , @Ed
    The East African/Arab slave trade went all they way into the interior of the Congo. Tippy Tip, an infamous slave trader known for vicious cruelty, met Livingstone & Stanley in the Congo and helped them.


    Still it's unlikely that Obama's people were slave traders although it's possible since they were Muslim.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tippu_Tip
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  15. the biggest beneficiaries of AA are Big Business CEOs and plutocrat shareholders that hold most of the shares of big corporations…these big corporations make more money when the economy grows or at least does not shrink….and how do they prop up the ponzi economy? Well, the economy is like 70% consumer demand…how do they grow consumer demand (or at least keep it from shrinking)? By growing the supply of consumers? And how do they grow the supply of consumers? By increasing the supply of worker-consumers?
    And how do they increase the supply of worker-consumers? By increasing the population and by getting those new people into the workforce?

    How do they increase population? Through white people? No, not so much…uh, who is else left? Oh, nonwhites! And immigrants!

    And what tool can they use to force these nonwhites and nonwhite immigrants into the workforce so they can consumer more and thus increase the wealth of Big Business CEOs and plutocrat shareholders? Uh…affirmative action?

    These Big Business CEOs and plutocrat shareholders make millions. They like that. They want to keep making millions. If consumer demand drops, recession awaits. And guess what? That might cut into their income and wealth.

    So…who benefits the most from affirmative action? Well, who owns most of the wealth in america? Oh, rich people! And whose wealth increases the most if the economy is propped up by increasing consumer demand via immigration and affirmative action? Ah…rich people!

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    NAMs and women are more profligate spenders (read: better consumers) than white men. This fact alone explains a very great deal of identity politics.
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  16. JackOH says:

    Steve, scanned your good article. I’ve mentioned before I believe affirmative action to be one of the great evils of our time because it’s way too “bill of attainder-ish”, way too “blood guilt-ish” against Whites, among other reasons.

    Then, of course, there’s the weird gamesmanship opened up by affirmative action that you spotlight in your essay.

    I used to wonder why some old-timers used to say they’re glad they’re near the end of their lives so they don’t have to put up with the world’s nonsense much longer. Well, I guess I don’t wonder anymore.

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  17. Steve,

    Check out the pictures on these two:

    Pretty clear which way the wind is blowing.

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    Liberal bias is so built-in to university groupthink these days that like all good believers, they know they only believe in Truth.
    , @DFH

    Species arose through natural selection.
     
    If I were a race-denier, I would feel embarrassed pulling the 'evolution denial' card.
    , @L Woods
    I for one am tired of sticking my neck out, politically or otherwise. Never, but never, is there anyone to have my back when I do. Instead, I'm instantly branded the caustic black sheep. What is the point? The only thing I accomplish is to supply everyone with a real life Wrong Thinker to burn in effigy. Crimethinkers being a semi-mythical demon-like creature on an ideologically uniform urban university campus, such a gift is no small thing to a bored Good White. Let someone else fall on their sword for a change. I've suffered enough in my no-longer-so-young life for not coloring between the lines.
    , @dr kill
    Oh please, Professor Green, do you think we are ignorant of the way hiring works at the University level? I imagine very little investigation would be required to determine the specifics of your employment; i.e., who was your rabbi?
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  18. Yes, it is true that blacks from the Caribbean and Africa have benefited disproportionately from affirmative action in education, but that is because the programs are poorly designed as in typical US fashion broad lines are defined to determine who has the right to something, rather than targeting those specifically in need. And of course many of those Caribbean and African blacks do have US citizenship or are at some intermediate state towards acquiring it.

    Thus, for example, people are inconvenienced by TSA at airports regardless of whether they are likely to be terrorists, or have flown many times before in recent years without blowing up planes.

    What would be more cost effective is for those blacks whose families can show financial need or residence in certain zip codes to be eligible for financial supports that will help them get job skills or academic qualifications, like for example free tuition, books, transportation, and meals, and in some cases residential accommodations and/or childcare.

    Proving descent from slaves in the territory now known as the US should not be necessary, but should provide bonus points if provided.

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    Ancient Rome enslaved my British ancestors. GIMME FREE SHIT
    , @Jack D
    If you view AA as a sort of crude reparations for the fact that American black slave descendants were left behind in society by Jim Crow, then the fact that certain Caribbean immigrants are US citizens has nothing to do with it - THEY were not the victims of Jim Crow and are not owed any leg up.

    The analogy that is used is that you can't keep someone in a cramped cage their entire life and then suddenly release them and wonder why they can't run a[n academic] footrace as fast as you the next day. Because of their past victimization you have to give them a little head start in race. (At least that USED to be the rationale - since the cage was open 2 or 3 generations ago and the black runners are still running behind, the NEW rationale is the wonderful benefits of DIVERSE viewpoints having black runners in the race bring to the white participants. Universities today are wonderfully diverse - you have white leftists, black leftists, Latino leftists, etc. Strange also that these handicaps affect only academic footraces while when it comes to real footraces blacks do great. ) The (already slim) rationale fails entirely when it come to Caribbean blacks, even those who are citizens.
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  19. Well, first I’ve got to get the obligatory US Constitution and anti-socialism comments out of my system:

    The Court takes the Law School at its word that it would like nothing better than to find a race-neutral admissions formula and will terminate its use of racial preferences as soon as practicable. The Court expects that 25 years from now, the use of racial preferences will no longer be necessary to further the interest approved today.

    The Supreme Court had already gone down bowl by that date, though I’d go back another decade. That quote as excerpted by Sailer from O’Connor’s political decision (vs. Judicial judgement) in 2003 is a perfect example. Where in the hell is there any justification for the Federal Government to make timetables as to how long unfairness against certain people – you know who you are – will go on? Where does it allow the Federal Government to issue any edicts as to what type of people will be hired first? The founders of this country made a SIMPLE document.

    I had respect for some of the cases/decisions I remember reading about in the 1980′s as the court would make tough decisions on laws that pitted one Constitutional amendment or section against another. I can remember that. Now, none of this crap out of most of these people, O’Connor’s BS quoted above being a great example, is anything but political. Had Amendment X been followed, we wouldn’t be discussing this stupidity.

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  20. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    AA programs get gamed and it’s targeted beneficiaries get elbowed aside in this game because of their inherent deficiencies. Females get the biggest boost and are over-promoted everywhere even in places like the local police. It’s got beneficiaries all right but it also has losers. Who are the losers in all this?

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  21. I split this off – here’s the obligatory (cause it’s true!) anti-socialism one, based on this quote from Mr. Sailer about the recruiting of black African students:

    To lure Mr. Kahoro, who was born in Kenya, Pomona went to extraordinary lengths. It flew him to campus during the fall of his senior year, paying for all his travel expenses. After he was accepted, financial aid covered close to the full cost of attendance, and he has never had to take out a loan; the college even gives him extra money for textbooks and cross-country trips to visit his family.

    OK, you don’t have to tell me, this posh Pomona College is private so this is NOT socialism. Agreed, they can do whatever they want to screw the white guy, so it is OK by us constitutionalists. Yes, but I just think that this should be some kind of lesson to any of the white guys there that earned some of their tuition in combination with ending up with mortgage-sized loans after 4 years. The ones whose rich parents or trust funds paid the whole bill won’t care, and, in fact, may just like the business quoted above due to heavy guilt. The former can ruminate about the fairness of it all and maybe even relate this to US Feral Gov’t socialism/money-redistribution during their times ogling the hotties on the quad, or maybe while working in their cube job years later.

    Hey, this stuff should have been learned by kindergarten when the teacher made you share your toy that you took good care of with the other kid who trashed all his stuff. I guess many of these socialists, even on unz.com, must have been sick a lot during kindergarten, because this stuff made perfect sense to me. Well, the Pomona kids getting screwed by having their tuition money spent per the quote above, can learn their lesson 15 years later – better late than never, right, Bernie? (C’mon old fart, you’re like 80 and you still don’t get a lesson that kids 6% of your age understand?)

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    >>To lure Mr. Kahoro, who was born in Kenya, Pomona went to extraordinary lengths. It flew him to campus during the fall of his senior year, paying for all his travel expenses. After he was accepted, financial aid covered close to the full cost of attendance, and he has never had to take out a loan; the college even gives him extra money for textbooks and cross-country trips to visit his family.

    My nephew applied to Pomona 2 years ago. Here are his important stats. Perfect ACT score, National Merit scholar, 4.0 + GPA (4.0+ for having taken honors courses), won prestigious Illinois high school Computer Science medal, came in second in prestigious Illinois high school math competition, scored 5 on all advanced placement exams (Calc, Physics, Chemistry, Bio, American History). Attended University of Chicago every summer since age 13 for gifted math students. Played and started Football and Lacrosse, plays rock guitar, tutors other kids.

    Pomona application: rejected.

    I suspect that the fact that he went to a traditional Catholic School didn't help him. If he had become a heretic or blasphemer by his senior year he would have been in like Flynn.

    Fuck'em. Burn them down.
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  22. Whiskey says: • Website

    Gun control is all about disarming Whites so Blacks can abuse them at will.

    Elite Whites hate hate hate non elite Whites. Social Darwinism meets the Calvinist elect

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    Yes, Elite whites HATE non-Elite whites. And the Reformation and the Modern replacement of nominally Christian identified societies with 'scientism' are indeed both central to that as you note.

    But the source is much older and is ethnic in origin. Anglo-Saxons, as far back as learning to write, have hated Celtic peoples as inherently inferior and deserving of at least cultural genocide. Continental Germans have seen Slavs the same way for as long. Both Anglo-Saxons and Continental Germans have equally long histories of despising Romance peoples as both inherently inferior and parts of nations that steal from the honest and rather innocent Germanics.

    I think you are correct about why white Elites like gun control. They see blacks as their buffer to hang onto all their wealth and power at the expense of the vast majority of whites.
    , @theo the kraut
    > Gun control is all about disarming Whites so Blacks can abuse them at will.

    That's pretty much the opposite of what Steve says, gun control being a tool to protect (urban liberal!) whites from blacks. There's a huge liberal animus against their flyover country cousins, no doubt, but it's not so clear cut I guess.
    , @Another Realist

    Elite Whites hate hate hate non elite Whites. Social Darwinism meets the Calvinist elect
     
    Perhaps it's because most elite "whites" are actually Jews who live in fear(and disdain) of protestant whites who in their mind are all white nationalists, and consider it their duty as God's chosen people to lead the helpless blacks(their fellow victims of WASPs) to the promised land.
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  23. Black Americans have proven their inability to create or sustain infrastructure and are dependent on whites to provide that. No other ethnic group is willing to share with blacks what whites provide from a dwindling sense of responsibility for black poverty.

    Blacks do not form intra-tribal networks of trust and mutual support crucial to community development. Given real estate and architecture designed by whites for mercantile operations, black dysfunction quickly renders them useless. They must follow new white development to attain employment and housing, while the once perfectly functional retail structures they inherited fall into ruin.

    Blacks need healthy white host communities to survive. Therefor it is beneficial for blacks that “white privilege” exists, and that white men take advantage of it. White privilege grants opportunity and support for whites, but demands repayment from them in the form of functional citizenship.

    For white men and white men alone return to the community the fruits of white privilege. Everyone else hoards it for themselves or extracts it from white men to redistribute to blacks while proclaiming their brave efforts on behalf of social justice.

    Blacks know this and that is why they hate white men. Talented blacks reap the benefits of living within white economic structures while those lacking marketable skills choose public assistance, criminality, or anti-racist activism to support themselves.

    Black leaders attain notoriety by condemning whites and calling out racism, but rarely admonish blacks or encourage them to develop the commerce or industry building skills that could break their dependence on whites. They choose the depressing litany of the talentless Genius T. Coates over the uplifting prescription of the practically-skilled Booker T. Washington.

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    Thanks for writing my comment for me. I would just add that I'm not quite certain at which percent Black an area ceases to function, but it's less than fifty.
    Imagine emigrating to any Black-controlled country. Is there a single successful one? Imagine living in a Black-controlled city. Is there a single successful example?
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  24. Anyway, good article, Steve, and I like reading your full-length ones on Takimag.

    About one of your points, the AFRICAN blacks getting a bunch of the loot taken off the working man: I think you’re right that most whites or anyone else not directly competing are unthinking about this idea that this whole affirmative action scam was SUPPOSED TO be about the “legacy of slavery” and the “Jim Crow – had to drink out of a different water fountain, OMG!”* business. People just seem used to the idea that, hey, these people are not white, but they’re not Oriental smart people either, so they apparently need a big boost. It’s ingrained and not much thought about.

    Re your part about Gates and Guinier “dummying up”, what was the reason for that? Was it just to keep the coalition of the victims united for support of Obama? I wasn’t sure what you meant by that small point there.

    * The whole thing about having to sit in the back of the bus really makes me think these people were a bunch of whiners. I mean, hell, white people can’t even sit ANYWHERE on the bus in a lot of Southern cities. People pay for the buses out of property taxes, yet they are too dangerous to ride on – you don’t hear us whining about that? (except just now.)

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  25. TWalsh2 says:

    The obvious solution has been in place for the last 25 years, increasing in intensity for the last 10. I don’t think it was obvious to them at the outset because they truly believed the that the gap would be closed through merit. It seems, however, that everyone understood soon enough that it wasn’t the case and began including an ever increasing soft curricula to support the influx unqualified admits and ensure their academic success.

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  26. DJF says:

    I would say that the biggest winners are the administrators, educators, and politicians who push affirmative action. They get the cushy jobs with good pay and benefits with no need to actually work.

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    I've been saying forever that education is a jobs program for adults. Any actual learning that occurs is an accidental by-product of, what is essentially, a daycare facility. Students that excel appear to do so on their own initiative, and in spite of the education blob. Now that the K-12 system has extended to college, with expectations of college-for-all, and student loans for all, it becomes another political interest group that needs to keep the funds flowing to support employment--and not learning.
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  27. Here’s one important question that the superior performance of Africans and West Indians raises: Is something radically wrong with African-American culture? Why aren’t black Americans doing better than blacks from much poorer countries? Is our American culture of inculcating racial resentment causing African-Americans to lag behind their distant cousins from abroad? Should we stop allowing so many foreign blacks to immigrate?

    Just a proofreading note – you rattled off four questions in the paragraph where you said you were going to ask “one.”

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  28. @Desiderius
    Steve,

    Check out the pictures on these two:

    https://twitter.com/phl43/status/910174038273806336

    Pretty clear which way the wind is blowing.

    Liberal bias is so built-in to university groupthink these days that like all good believers, they know they only believe in Truth.

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    Yeah, but look at the guy - he looks like a regional purchasing manager (and writes like one too), not a professor of philosophy at Oxford for God's sake.

    And his interlocutor looks like James Dean with a little extra savior faire.

    We live in Bizarro World.
    , @Jake
    Ideology means you do not pay attention to, much less focus on, facts and logic. Ideology replaces both facts and logic. That is the reason that assuming that eventually people will wake up and see the absurdities and the growing injustices, which together could destroy the Western world, are naive.

    The people in the USSR had faith that the USSR could never go broke and fall apart, because the Marxist ideology told them so. They remained true to the ideology even as their world died around them.

    Cultural Marxism, PC, is at least as addicting a suicidal ideology as is 'classical; Marxism.
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  29. Sunbeam says:

    Ok:

    “These ignored students tend to be not the more fashionable ethnicities, because our society has been fixated upon recruiting blacks and Latinos for a half century now, but, typically, white boys in flyover states. The most disregarded students today are the same kind of people who got us to the moon in 1969.”

    I get the argument, and it rings true with me.

    But quite often on this site, the notion is encountered that environment, geography, even things like your ethnic group holding the reins of power (which interestingly enough seems to be negative for whites sometimes, at least for my segment of “whitehood.”), well those things mean nothing.

    Genes are everything. Heredity is the only thing. Raise a kid in a barrel, shoving food in through a bunghole till he’s 18, doesn’t matter. If the kid has the right genetic makeup he’s winning the Fields Medal two months later.

    Has nothing at all to do with Mrs. Haas, his high school math teacher going above and beyond for a talented student. Or his parents:

    “Irma, Junior wants some more math books, stuff they don’t have at the library. Geez these ones are expensive. He does pretty good at that kind of thing, so I’m getting them for him. Guess we’ll cut back on Golden Corral for a few weeks.”

    “Okay John. Heck he wants me to drive him down to Chicago for an Olump… Olimp … some kind of math thing. Well as long as he likes it. Maybe I’ll do some shopping…”

    “IRMA!!!!”

    So my question is this:

    “The most disregarded students today are the same kind of people who got us to the moon in 1969.”

    So what have these guys been doing since 1969? Shouldn’t we see Silicon Valley in Minnesota by now? Their genes were good enough in ’69. What changed?

    And bear in mind I am definitely a prole. (Actually I think of myself as Scotch-Irish, and I don’t mean Jewish when I write that.)

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    There are plenty of significant environmental influences. Getting hit on the head with a hammer, for example. Right wing thought is actually quite concerned with the effects of "environment," social conservatism in particular. The skepticism is more for what liberals think of when they talk about "environment" (e.g., midnight basketball) and their fanciful expectations for social engineering.

    I think you are confusing a few things. There's no question opportunity, circumstances, happenstance, network effects, and so on influence success. But the question is, what is the likelihood of success conditional on an opportunity being granted? Opportunities like being granted an admission slot to Harvard? The point is that among the "flyover whites," there are those that would be good bets. Affirmative action admits in contrast have proved to be no better than their qualifications suggest (surprise, surprise) and liberals keep saying we just need more money for dem programs.

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  30. TG says:

    My understanding is that the majority of the recipients of affirmative action are descendants of third-world refugees who came here after 1970.

    One could make the case that native-born American blacks are owed compensation – I mean, even as the modern Kennedy’s are only rich because of the wealth they inherited from a while ago, native-born American blacks are to at least some extent poor because of the wealth they did not inherit.

    But the notion that someone who sneaks across the border today from Mexico or Guatemala is entitled to special privileges because of their skin color is disgusting. They have no history of being badly treated in this country. If anything, this country does not owe them, they owe this country, for taking them in even at the cost of lower wages and increased crowding etc.

    The reparations that should have gone to American blacks have been given instead to recent third-world refugees. And American blacks, instead of protesting, actively encouraged this giving away of their legacy to those undeserving of it.

    Dear American blacks: reparations for slavery? We gave at the office. But you gave it all away. Now you want more, but it’s gone. And the ones you gave it away to will not love you.

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  31. @Daniel Chieh
    Liberal bias is so built-in to university groupthink these days that like all good believers, they know they only believe in Truth.

    Yeah, but look at the guy – he looks like a regional purchasing manager (and writes like one too), not a professor of philosophy at Oxford for God’s sake.

    And his interlocutor looks like James Dean with a little extra savior faire.

    We live in Bizarro World.

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    ‘Robert Klitgaard’.

    Good Lord! Don’t tell me that Hustler magazine has gotten into the AA racket!

    ‘Grutter vs. Bollinger’

    - and the ‘Champagne Charlies’ ! purveyors of effervescent alcoholic beverages to the one per cent!

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  33. Biggest beneficiaries are the entrenched ruling class, aka “capital”

    By the way, what’s the ethnic makeup of the wealthiest 1% and 0.1% in America?

    Wealth tax 2020

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    Wealth tax strikes me as a really good idea. The income tax is supposed to be a wealth tax, but instead winds up being a tax on the laborer, not the capitalist, since the "profits" from wages are supposed to be akin to dividends or interest.

    I think Germany has a wealthtax. Do you have examples of countries where it is extant?
    , @Thomm
    Wealth tax is a horrible idea, and is very left-wing. It is unsurprising that a 27 y/o who has never accomplished anything would propose it.

    Part of the reason race nationalism is not taken seriously is because WNs tend to be very left-wing in economic matters.
    , @Charles Pewitt
    The WASP / Jew ruling class of the American Empire must be dislodged using any and all means available. German Americans, White Catholics(Irish, Italians...etc.), Southern Anglo-Celts and other regular Americans of English ancestry must crush the evil WASP / Jew ruling class.

    Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Mike Bloomberg, Shelly Adelson, Woody Johnson and the rest of the billionaire WASP /Jew globalizers must be defeated in their attempts to destroy America.
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  34. Jake says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Liberal bias is so built-in to university groupthink these days that like all good believers, they know they only believe in Truth.

    Ideology means you do not pay attention to, much less focus on, facts and logic. Ideology replaces both facts and logic. That is the reason that assuming that eventually people will wake up and see the absurdities and the growing injustices, which together could destroy the Western world, are naive.

    The people in the USSR had faith that the USSR could never go broke and fall apart, because the Marxist ideology told them so. They remained true to the ideology even as their world died around them.

    Cultural Marxism, PC, is at least as addicting a suicidal ideology as is ‘classical; Marxism.

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  35. Yeah, I remember the O’Connor opinion. It blew my mind. The most openly elitist thing that I had ever read. Her opinion boiled down to this:

    1. The kids at the very top universities will someday be our leaders. (I mean, just look around me here at the Supreme Court. See anyone who went to State U.)

    2. These elite kids will rule over a diverse land with a large percentage of blacks and Hispanics.

    3. These kids grow up in wealthy suburbs, go to either prep schools or very nice public schools, i.e. they aren’t exposed to minorities growing up. After college/grad school/law school, they get very good jobs and live in neighborhoods with very few minorities and interact with other white Masters of the Universe types like them. Then, these kids climb the ladder and move back to their swank suburbs, again missing out on the joys of diversity throughout their lives.

    4. As a result, society has one opportunity to get these elite kids around minorities in any numbers: College.

    5. Therefore, to properly prepare these elite kids to rule this diverse country, we must allow AA (knowing, of course, that “allowing” means that it will happen because the universities are fanatical about imposing racial quotas) to expose these elite kids to some minorities so they can better rule over them and non-elite whites.

    That was her reasoning: Can’t someone think of the elite children!

    It wasn’t about past injustices. It wasn’t about helping minorities. It was about making better rulers from the elite white class.

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    Reagan was warned that Sandra was a squish, but he was determined to have a woman on the court. Because male oppression. Or something.
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  36. Steve’s question: “Should we stop allowing so many foreign born blacks to immigrate?”

    Answer: Yes.

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  37. 22pp22 says:

    There is quite a good conservative journalist called Andrew Bolt who is sadly little known beyond the shores of New Zealand’s remote West Island.

    He quipped that the majority of aboriginals who made a living from being aggrieved aboriginals were not very aboriginal. For pictures see:

    http://australian-news.net/article/bolt-trial-free-speech-under-threat

    For this he was banned from ever discussing the subject ever again by an activist judge called Mordecai Bromberg.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Bolt

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    "He quipped that the majority of aboriginals who made a living from being aggrieved aboriginals were not very aboriginal. For pictures see:

    http://australian-news.net/article/bolt-trial-free-speech-under-threat

    For this he was banned from ever discussing the subject ever again by an activist judge called Mordecai Bromberg."

    Mordecai Bromberg. That's a good solid Kiwi name. I'm sure he feels total solidarity with the people of New Zealand. Activist or not, he probably only wants what is best for his country.
    , @Clyde

    There is quite a good conservative journalist called Andrew Bolt who is sadly little known beyond the shores of New Zealand’s remote West Island.
    He quipped that the majority of aboriginals who made a living from being aggrieved aboriginals were not very aboriginal. For pictures see:
    http://australian-news.net/article/bolt-trial-free-speech-under-threat
    For this he was banned from ever discussing the subject ever again by an activist judge called Mordecai Bromberg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Bolt
     
    Amazing and I have heard of Andrew Bolt. One our largest Indian Casinos is Foxwoods in Connecticut. It was the first one in, under the Indian Gaming Act of 1988, signed by RR while he was President. The Mashantucket Pequot Tribe owns Foxwoods and brings in outsiders to run it competently. The Mashantucket Pequot Tribe Indians have lots more African genetics than Native American.
    , @dearieme
    When we lived in Oz one of the leading Abo activists turned out the part white part negro: not a drop of Abo. When we lived in NZ one of the leading Maori activists turned out to be entirely Irish.
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  38. Not sure about education, but in the corporate universe it’s pretty obvious:

    Upper middle class, and upper class, white (emphasis : WHITE), women.

    Biggest beneficiaries by any long, bending stretch of the imagination.

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  39. Jack D says:

    Thanks for taking the time to write an article about this, complete with stats. I have commented in the (recent) past about this exact issue but I’m too lazy to write a real article.

    Unfortunately, articles like this are a shout into the wilderness. As Steve points out, elite schools long ago made a “compromise”. Merit based admission would result in approximately 1% black enrollment. Proportional admission, which is still the leftist gold standard, would mean 13% black enrollment, which would seriously undermine elite academic environments. So they cut the baby in half and settled on 5 or 6% black enrollment as a “target” (a quota in all but name).

    BUT, since the median black IQ is shifted maybe 1 SD to the left of white and Asian IQ and elite schools draw from the pool of people with 130+ IQs, the total number of blacks who have IQs that are 3 SDs to the right of the group median is tiny – at that point the bell curve is fast approaching zero. Out of the entire “black” population in the US, as Steve points out, there are well under 1,000 qualified “blacks” to go around to fill up the quotas for ALL the elite schools in America.

    So this leads to two consequences:

    1. Schools cannot afford to be picky about who is “black” – biracial, African, Caribbean, octoroon, whatever – if you check the black box they are glad to take your word for it to help fill their black quota.

    Chanda Prescod-Weinstein - black.

    Mindy Kaling’s 100% Indian brother --black

    Etc.

    2. If you are “black” and have 700+ SATs, you are treated like a rock star. Every year there is an article about some kid who has gotten into every single Ivy and every year that kid is an Igbo.

    The schools show NO sign or interest in breaking out of this cycle, nor are they likely to because the pressure on the left to INCREASE black enrollment even further more than counterbalances any pressure from deplatformed Fascists publications like Takimag.

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    I should clarify that the under 1,000 number refers to graduating h.s. seniors each year, not the total # of blacks in America with 130+ IQ/700+ SATs. (In the old days both of these scores were 2 SDs to right of the median but they have made the SAT easier so it no longer corresponds so perfectly with IQ.)

    Racially homogeneous societies such as Japan are blessed when it comes to college admissions because college admission is not tied into racial politics. Their top universities more or less just rank order the admission test scores and take from the top of the list until they are full. Ironically, this is the system that elite US universities used until "too many" Jews started filling up their classes 100 years ago. Our entire current "holistic" admission system was invented solely to obfuscate its Jew excluding mission and was later seamlessly repurposed for black enhancing (Asian excluding) purposes. Having left the Garden of Eden, they have never been able to return and probably never will.
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  40. poolside says:

    It’s anecdotal, I know, but a few years back my family knew a very nice young Nigerian girl who was very “white” culturally while in high school.

    After a couple of years in college (highly recruited, of course), she fell into the whole oppressed minority, Black Lives Matter cult.

    After graduation, she wound up with a fantastic job with one of those large companies that is constantly touting its diversity. But she is probably still oppressed.

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    I knew a light skinned haitian girl in high school who was extremely white acting.
    Liked indie rock only. Dated vikings only. She was very, very much an oreo.

    I was very, very surprised to read an article of hers a few years later in which she claimed that her "blackness" had made her a stranger at (big ivy league school where she got in because of AA). She had become a jounalist and had concocted a "conscious black woman" backstory.
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  41. @27 year old
    Biggest beneficiaries are the entrenched ruling class, aka "capital"

    By the way, what's the ethnic makeup of the wealthiest 1% and 0.1% in America?

    Wealth tax 2020

    Wealth tax strikes me as a really good idea. The income tax is supposed to be a wealth tax, but instead winds up being a tax on the laborer, not the capitalist, since the “profits” from wages are supposed to be akin to dividends or interest.

    I think Germany has a wealthtax. Do you have examples of countries where it is extant?

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    I believe Steve's old friend Noah Millman said once the Swiss levy a wealth tax. If an industrious, capitalist people like the Swiss can handle a wealth tax I'd say we could too.
    , @Pericles
    Sweden had a wealth tax on savings larger than about $200k, but abolished it. My impression was that it encouraged tax planning or riskier investment since you always lost 1.5% of capital each year (and got taxed on capital gains too). I think owning houses in desirable neighbourhoods could become inadvertently problematic too, at least for those without big salaries.
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  42. Jack D says:
    @Jack D
    Thanks for taking the time to write an article about this, complete with stats. I have commented in the (recent) past about this exact issue but I'm too lazy to write a real article.

    Unfortunately, articles like this are a shout into the wilderness. As Steve points out, elite schools long ago made a "compromise". Merit based admission would result in approximately 1% black enrollment. Proportional admission, which is still the leftist gold standard, would mean 13% black enrollment, which would seriously undermine elite academic environments. So they cut the baby in half and settled on 5 or 6% black enrollment as a "target" (a quota in all but name).

    BUT, since the median black IQ is shifted maybe 1 SD to the left of white and Asian IQ and elite schools draw from the pool of people with 130+ IQs, the total number of blacks who have IQs that are 3 SDs to the right of the group median is tiny - at that point the bell curve is fast approaching zero. Out of the entire "black" population in the US, as Steve points out, there are well under 1,000 qualified "blacks" to go around to fill up the quotas for ALL the elite schools in America.

    So this leads to two consequences:

    1. Schools cannot afford to be picky about who is "black" - biracial, African, Caribbean, octoroon, whatever - if you check the black box they are glad to take your word for it to help fill their black quota.

    Chanda Prescod-Weinstein http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1ZqQ6AKpwlg/Va6x6UYmmeI/AAAAAAAAfwM/hmWkU2w-QzQ/s1600/001.JPG - black.

    Mindy Kaling's 100% Indian brother - http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150408121847-almost-black-split-exlarge-169.jpg -black

    Etc.

    2. If you are "black" and have 700+ SATs, you are treated like a rock star. Every year there is an article about some kid who has gotten into every single Ivy and every year that kid is an Igbo.

    The schools show NO sign or interest in breaking out of this cycle, nor are they likely to because the pressure on the left to INCREASE black enrollment even further more than counterbalances any pressure from deplatformed Fascists publications like Takimag.

    I should clarify that the under 1,000 number refers to graduating h.s. seniors each year, not the total # of blacks in America with 130+ IQ/700+ SATs. (In the old days both of these scores were 2 SDs to right of the median but they have made the SAT easier so it no longer corresponds so perfectly with IQ.)

    Racially homogeneous societies such as Japan are blessed when it comes to college admissions because college admission is not tied into racial politics. Their top universities more or less just rank order the admission test scores and take from the top of the list until they are full. Ironically, this is the system that elite US universities used until “too many” Jews started filling up their classes 100 years ago. Our entire current “holistic” admission system was invented solely to obfuscate its Jew excluding mission and was later seamlessly repurposed for black enhancing (Asian excluding) purposes. Having left the Garden of Eden, they have never been able to return and probably never will.

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    Racially homogeneous societies such as Japan are blessed when it comes to college admissions because college admission is not tied into racial politics. [...] Ironically, this is the system that elite US universities used until “too many” Jews started filling up their classes 100 years ago. Our entire current “holistic” admission system was invented solely to obfuscate its Jew excluding mission and was later seamlessly repurposed for black enhancing (Asian excluding) purposes.
     
    So you're saying the US could have avoided the whole mess if we had never let Jews immigrate and then operate freely in society in the first place. Interesting argument.
    , @keuril

    Our entire current “holistic” admission system was invented solely to obfuscate its Jew excluding mission and was later seamlessly repurposed for black enhancing (Asian excluding) purposes. Having left the Garden of Eden, they have never been able to return and probably never will.
     
    This is a common lament people have about college admissions in America, but the underlying assumption is that Japan, etc. have a better system with their blind reliance on admissions exams. Leaving aside the issue of whether it makes sense to favor particular groups in the admissions process, I would say that holistic admissions is a better approach than simple testing, especially at elite institutions.*

    I say this based on what things are encouraged by each system. A test-only system encourages the smartest students to do nothing but study. A holistic system encourages the smartest students to study a certain amount, and then to do other things that are interesting. That might be starting a company, starting a band, creating an award-winning science project, it doesn’t matter. The American elite admissions system encourages and rewards this sort of behavior in a way no other developed country does, and I’d say that is a good thing.

    * While every university and liberal arts college in the US News Top 100 (two separate rankings, one for national universities and one for LACs) claims to be “holistic,” this is mostly just lip service after you get out of the top 10 or so national universities (and, to a lesser extent, the top three or four LACs). After that, most schools just admit based on test scores and grades.
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  43. Here’s one important question that the superior performance of Africans and West Indians raises: Is something radically wrong with African-American culture? Why aren’t black Americans doing better than blacks from much poorer countries?

    Shockley pointed out decades ago that African American fertility was frighteningly dysgenic. Plus who knows what slavery did to the gene pool. The messed up culture is probably the result of all that, not much of a cause in and of itself.

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  44. Barnard says:

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2017/september/germans-are-welcoming-refugees-as-way-to-honor-luthers-lega.html

    OT: In honor of the 500th anniversary of the Reformation, German pastors are doing grunt work for Merkel pushing the idea that Germany is a nation of immigrants and that Martin Luther was a refugee who would support open borders. A couple of the more illuminating quotes:

    “What crisis? Why is it a crisis?” Wenz said. “The only crisis is the old people need to get out of the way and let the young people come in. We need them. Germany has always been a country of outsiders. After [World War II], we brought in, what, four million refugees? No one said that was too many too soon.”

    No difference between Germany at the end of World War II and Germany today, none at all. Can’t you people who think this is a crisis hurry up and die.

    “There is this myth in Germany,” Kienberger said, “that there is some sort of essential ‘Germanness.’ It is bunk. Germany has been a mixed bag for quite some time.” According to a 2015 report by international consulting group A. T. Kearney, rather than cut back on its intake of refugees, Germany must double its current intake to maintain its current population and keep its economic engine healthy in the coming decades.

    Well, if only 34,000 out of a million have a job, you really need a lot of refugees to keep that economic engine humming.

    https://www.thelocal.de/20161219/so-far-only-34000-refugees-have-found-jobs

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  45. Steve, I think that your article could have done a lot better without the references to African-immigrant beneficiaries of affirmative action being the descendants of those who sold the ancestors of African-Americans into slavery.

    As with President Obama, Mr. Kahoro’s ancestors presumably sold many blacks into the slave trade.

    The majority of slaves were taken from West Africa, the neighborhood of modern day Nigeria. Kenya is half a continent away and didn’t take part in the trans-Atlantic slave trade by virtue of being on the Indian Ocean. It’s like blaming the Russians for the Hundred Years’ War. Granted, the Kenyan tribes probably sold plenty of their future countrymen to the Arabs, but that injustice isn’t one that affirmative action is trying to rectify.

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    Steve is catching a lot of flack for that, but I'm not sure it is justified. As you said, it seems the Luo (tribe of Obama's father) did some slave trading. I'll leave it to others to fact check this and/or look for other sources: http://aconservativelesbian.com/2009/07/13/obamas-kenyan-ancestors-sold-slaves/
    but I think it is clear "Kenya is not in West Africa" is not a refutation of Steve's statement.

    The statement you quoted does not mention affirmative action.
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  46. DFH says:
    @Desiderius
    Steve,

    Check out the pictures on these two:

    https://twitter.com/phl43/status/910174038273806336

    Pretty clear which way the wind is blowing.

    Species arose through natural selection.

    If I were a race-denier, I would feel embarrassed pulling the ‘evolution denial’ card.

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  47. L Woods says:
    @Desiderius
    Steve,

    Check out the pictures on these two:

    https://twitter.com/phl43/status/910174038273806336

    Pretty clear which way the wind is blowing.

    I for one am tired of sticking my neck out, politically or otherwise. Never, but never, is there anyone to have my back when I do. Instead, I’m instantly branded the caustic black sheep. What is the point? The only thing I accomplish is to supply everyone with a real life Wrong Thinker to burn in effigy. Crimethinkers being a semi-mythical demon-like creature on an ideologically uniform urban university campus, such a gift is no small thing to a bored Good White. Let someone else fall on their sword for a change. I’ve suffered enough in my no-longer-so-young life for not coloring between the lines.

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  48. nigel says:
    @22pp22
    There is quite a good conservative journalist called Andrew Bolt who is sadly little known beyond the shores of New Zealand's remote West Island.

    He quipped that the majority of aboriginals who made a living from being aggrieved aboriginals were not very aboriginal. For pictures see:

    http://australian-news.net/article/bolt-trial-free-speech-under-threat

    For this he was banned from ever discussing the subject ever again by an activist judge called Mordecai Bromberg.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Bolt

    “He quipped that the majority of aboriginals who made a living from being aggrieved aboriginals were not very aboriginal. For pictures see:

    http://australian-news.net/article/bolt-trial-free-speech-under-threat

    For this he was banned from ever discussing the subject ever again by an activist judge called Mordecai Bromberg.”

    Mordecai Bromberg. That’s a good solid Kiwi name. I’m sure he feels total solidarity with the people of New Zealand. Activist or not, he probably only wants what is best for his country.

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    West Island is just my bad attempt at a joke. I was referring to Australia
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  49. Yes the kind of people who Harvard’s ignoring did get us to the Moon.

    But did the people who got us to the Moon in the sixties go to Harvard in the pre-AA era? Heck the two bicycle mechanics who started the whole thing didn’t even graduate high school.

    Maybe those flyover boys shouldn’t be going to Harvard. Maybe they don’t want to.

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    Maybe those flyover boys shouldn’t be going to Harvard. Maybe they don’t want to.
     
    Part of the genius of the American system is recognizing that Harvard and the like only churns out a particular kind of bozo, so it's fine to pick any bozo to run government.
    , @Desiderius
    "Maybe those flyover boys shouldn’t be going to Harvard. Maybe they don’t want to."

    We figured that out a generation ago.

    Now our women are too.

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    Indeed even Neil Armstrong was offered admission to MIT but chose Purdue instead.
    , @James Braxton
    As a white, small town, flyover boy who went to an elite east coast college, I can tell you that I don't recommend it.

    It's not a lot of fun to be surrounded by people with whom you have nothing in common but an SAT score.

    In hindsight, I would much rather have gone to a state school and let my parents keep their life savings.
    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Maybe those flyover boys shouldn’t be going to Harvard. Maybe they don’t want to.
     
    And maybe if Harvard was to be run by Americans, it would trip all over itself to find those very flyover boys to count them among its classes rather than the most exotic nose bone bearer available.
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  50. AM says:
    @Jack D
    I should clarify that the under 1,000 number refers to graduating h.s. seniors each year, not the total # of blacks in America with 130+ IQ/700+ SATs. (In the old days both of these scores were 2 SDs to right of the median but they have made the SAT easier so it no longer corresponds so perfectly with IQ.)

    Racially homogeneous societies such as Japan are blessed when it comes to college admissions because college admission is not tied into racial politics. Their top universities more or less just rank order the admission test scores and take from the top of the list until they are full. Ironically, this is the system that elite US universities used until "too many" Jews started filling up their classes 100 years ago. Our entire current "holistic" admission system was invented solely to obfuscate its Jew excluding mission and was later seamlessly repurposed for black enhancing (Asian excluding) purposes. Having left the Garden of Eden, they have never been able to return and probably never will.

    Racially homogeneous societies such as Japan are blessed when it comes to college admissions because college admission is not tied into racial politics. [...] Ironically, this is the system that elite US universities used until “too many” Jews started filling up their classes 100 years ago. Our entire current “holistic” admission system was invented solely to obfuscate its Jew excluding mission and was later seamlessly repurposed for black enhancing (Asian excluding) purposes.

    So you’re saying the US could have avoided the whole mess if we had never let Jews immigrate and then operate freely in society in the first place. Interesting argument.

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    I don't know what the alternative Judenrein history of the US would look like. The black population was there almost from the beginning and at some point would have begun agitating Jews or no Jews. And now we have Asians filling the place of Jews as the minority that "studies too hard and makes us look bad."

    Immigrants tend to occupy certain ecological niches so that, for example, when the Jews of NY aged out of the dry cleaning business (their sons all became dentists) they were not replaced by native whites but by the next immigrant group on the conveyor (Koreans) whose sons in turn will all become dentists. In the '30s , City College was 80% Jewish (used to be big fights between the Trotskyites and the Stalinists) and now Stuyvesant High is 80% Asian.
    , @Forbes
    Maybe Jews should've started more universities than Brandeis and Yeshiva. (Presumably, there are others?) The Puritans, other Protestants, and Catholics opened quite a few.

    Some guy named Stanford started a university, apocryphally because Harvard wanted a ransom to name a building after his recently deceased son.
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  51. AM says:
    @anony-mouse
    Yes the kind of people who Harvard's ignoring did get us to the Moon.

    But did the people who got us to the Moon in the sixties go to Harvard in the pre-AA era? Heck the two bicycle mechanics who started the whole thing didn't even graduate high school.

    Maybe those flyover boys shouldn't be going to Harvard. Maybe they don't want to.

    Maybe those flyover boys shouldn’t be going to Harvard. Maybe they don’t want to.

    Part of the genius of the American system is recognizing that Harvard and the like only churns out a particular kind of bozo, so it’s fine to pick any bozo to run government.

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    Harvard and the like only churns out a particular kind of bozo
     
    I have a friend who went to Yale and he always says "You can always tell a Harvard man, but you can't tell him much."
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  52. @anony-mouse
    Yes the kind of people who Harvard's ignoring did get us to the Moon.

    But did the people who got us to the Moon in the sixties go to Harvard in the pre-AA era? Heck the two bicycle mechanics who started the whole thing didn't even graduate high school.

    Maybe those flyover boys shouldn't be going to Harvard. Maybe they don't want to.

    “Maybe those flyover boys shouldn’t be going to Harvard. Maybe they don’t want to.”

    We figured that out a generation ago.

    Now our women are too.

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    Silly murican, everyone knows that all future space travel is to be done by Russians, who must deliver American astronauts or be sanctioned further!
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  53. Clyde says:
    @22pp22
    There is quite a good conservative journalist called Andrew Bolt who is sadly little known beyond the shores of New Zealand's remote West Island.

    He quipped that the majority of aboriginals who made a living from being aggrieved aboriginals were not very aboriginal. For pictures see:

    http://australian-news.net/article/bolt-trial-free-speech-under-threat

    For this he was banned from ever discussing the subject ever again by an activist judge called Mordecai Bromberg.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Bolt

    There is quite a good conservative journalist called Andrew Bolt who is sadly little known beyond the shores of New Zealand’s remote West Island.
    He quipped that the majority of aboriginals who made a living from being aggrieved aboriginals were not very aboriginal. For pictures see:

    http://australian-news.net/article/bolt-trial-free-speech-under-threat

    For this he was banned from ever discussing the subject ever again by an activist judge called Mordecai Bromberg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Bolt

    Amazing and I have heard of Andrew Bolt. One our largest Indian Casinos is Foxwoods in Connecticut. It was the first one in, under the Indian Gaming Act of 1988, signed by RR while he was President. The Mashantucket Pequot Tribe owns Foxwoods and brings in outsiders to run it competently. The Mashantucket Pequot Tribe Indians have lots more African genetics than Native American.

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    The "Pequot" were legally represented by Barry Margolin, who is a member of a different Tribe.
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  54. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Desiderius
    "Maybe those flyover boys shouldn’t be going to Harvard. Maybe they don’t want to."

    We figured that out a generation ago.

    Now our women are too.

    Silly murican, everyone knows that all future space travel is to be done by Russians, who must deliver American astronauts or be sanctioned further!

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  55. These ignored students tend to be…white boys in flyover states. The most disregarded students today are the same kind of people who got us to the moon in 1969.

    But but but they didn’t! Three African American women got us to the moon, white boys just took all the credit. Or at least according to Hollywood, “based on a true story”.

    But by 1998, it was clear to Glazer that if blacks had to win admission on their own merits, the top colleges would be only 1 or 2 percent black, instead of the 6 or 7 percent black seen with affirmative action.

    Actually, it’s closer to 15% today. Harvard’s class of 2021:

    14.6% black
    22.2% Asian
    11.6% Latino
    2.5% Native American/Hawaiian
    38.7% White
    10.4% International

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    How are they not being sued by white kids fle nkt representing American white population?
    , @dr kill
    They don't even see the damage they do to their brand.
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  56. How much of the campus discontent these days stem from academic mismatch directly caused by Affirmative Action? Last year Harvard accepted a rap song from a black student as his senior thesis, where he got an A. It was also the first year black students at Harvard demanded a segregated graduation ceremony. This year Brown started segregated dinners for black and Muslim students. Does the left want desegregation or re-segregation? I’m confused.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-18/brown-university-offer-segregated-student-dinners-black-muslim-students

    I guess they got tired of all the whites benefiting from their diversity.

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  57. Luke Lea says:

    “Here’s one important question that the superior performance of Africans and West Indians raises: Is something radically wrong with African-American culture?”

    Or, alternatively, are the elites in every society, including those in Africa, smarter on average than the general population? How many elites were captured in war and sold into slavery? What is the family background of most African-born blacks who make it into the Ivy League — or into the United States in general?

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    Yeah, I really don’t see the point of comparing the general population with a highly selected, or self-selected, group like immigrants.

    It may be more meaningful, though not perfect, to compare to refugees.
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  58. @anony-mouse
    Yes the kind of people who Harvard's ignoring did get us to the Moon.

    But did the people who got us to the Moon in the sixties go to Harvard in the pre-AA era? Heck the two bicycle mechanics who started the whole thing didn't even graduate high school.

    Maybe those flyover boys shouldn't be going to Harvard. Maybe they don't want to.

    Indeed even Neil Armstrong was offered admission to MIT but chose Purdue instead.

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    None of the astronauts in the Right Stuff by Tom Wolfe went to Harvard or any sort of Ivy League college at all. Alan Shephard-Anapolis, Gus Grissom-Purdue, Gordon Cooper-University of Hawaii, Walter Shirra-Anapolis, Deke Slayton-University of Minnesota, John Glenn-Muskingum College (which he didn't graduate from), Scott Carpenter-University of Colorado (he didn't graduate either). Both Glenn and Carpenter were later given degrees by their colleges for their achievements in space.

    My takeaway is that is you're a WASP alpha male with courage and brains, bothering with Harvard or the Ivy League is a waste of time and money. A military college or a decent state university is fine.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    In Tom Wolfe's The Right Stuff, Neil Armstrong doesn't come off as having a lot of common sense. He decides to land a plane on a lake bed after Chuck Yeager warns him the plane's landing gear will get stuck in it. Which it does.
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  59. I heard Charles Murray say once that the biggest beneficiaries of AA over the years have been women.

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  60. University administrators have done pretty well also. They get to form entire new programs and the remarkable bureaucracies that go with them (Associate Dean for Diversity, Inclusion, and Community Development). They also get endowments to build safe spaces, segregated housing, and cultural centers for various subgroups of students. On the downside they have to weather storms like the recent ones at Evergreen State College, UCLA, Mizzou, and Baylor. But those often turn into lemonade as well.

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  61. AB- says:

    AA recipients?

    Percentage wise it’s negros. In absolute numbers it’s white womyn.

    It’s the same deal as to whom receives welfare, more white womyn getting it than negros. But it’s pushing 50% for the negros and maybe 5-10% for whites.

    I’m sure there is lots of teeth gnashing by the negros over all those ‘Beckys’ taking advantage of a program that was put together for their (negro) exclusive benefit….LOL

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  62. dearieme says:
    @22pp22
    There is quite a good conservative journalist called Andrew Bolt who is sadly little known beyond the shores of New Zealand's remote West Island.

    He quipped that the majority of aboriginals who made a living from being aggrieved aboriginals were not very aboriginal. For pictures see:

    http://australian-news.net/article/bolt-trial-free-speech-under-threat

    For this he was banned from ever discussing the subject ever again by an activist judge called Mordecai Bromberg.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Bolt

    When we lived in Oz one of the leading Abo activists turned out the part white part negro: not a drop of Abo. When we lived in NZ one of the leading Maori activists turned out to be entirely Irish.

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    Sounds like they are relatives of Shaun King and Rachel Dolezal.
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  63. Vinay says:

    Steve, how about a list of African Americans who’d qualify as the “rough diamonds” rescued by Affirmative Action? That seems like something that should be right up your alley.

    You can confine it to the private sector, so there’s less ambiguity.

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    But that's one of the subtexts of Steve's article. Affirmative Action is an all-purpose cleaner. A Talented-Tenth type, who would have achieved admission on their own through pure merit, gets obscured by the program. It enables those who want the program to be true to say, "See! It works!":

    In fact, O’Connor’s decision concocted the perpetual-motion “diversity rationale” for racial privilege: You see, white students benefit from what quota kids bring to the classroom (such as racial resentment). Since nobody can actually measure the benefits of diversity except through faith, there is no end in sight for racial preferences.
     
    That's what was observed prior to the imposition of AA. Those 1-2% AfrAms who were admitted to the Ivies truly were competent/capable enough to attend and graduate.
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  64. Vinay says:
    @Luke Lea
    "Here’s one important question that the superior performance of Africans and West Indians raises: Is something radically wrong with African-American culture?"

    Or, alternatively, are the elites in every society, including those in Africa, smarter on average than the general population? How many elites were captured in war and sold into slavery? What is the family background of most African-born blacks who make it into the Ivy League -- or into the United States in general?

    Yeah, I really don’t see the point of comparing the general population with a highly selected, or self-selected, group like immigrants.

    It may be more meaningful, though not perfect, to compare to refugees.

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  65. Thomm says:
    @27 year old
    Biggest beneficiaries are the entrenched ruling class, aka "capital"

    By the way, what's the ethnic makeup of the wealthiest 1% and 0.1% in America?

    Wealth tax 2020

    Wealth tax is a horrible idea, and is very left-wing. It is unsurprising that a 27 y/o who has never accomplished anything would propose it.

    Part of the reason race nationalism is not taken seriously is because WNs tend to be very left-wing in economic matters.

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    Part of the reason race nationalism is not taken seriously is because WNs tend to be very left-wing in economic matters.
     
    Anyone else missing Tiny Duck? This is just not nearly as entertaining. It's like being trolled by the world's dullest economics professor.
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  66. Altai says:

    Here’s one important question that the superior performance of Africans and West Indians raises: Is something radically wrong with African-American culture? Why aren’t black Americans doing better than blacks from much poorer countries? Is our American culture of inculcating racial resentment causing African-Americans to lag behind their distant cousins from abroad? Should we stop allowing so many foreign blacks to immigrate?

    I think there are two main factors other than the learned helplessness of being an underclass and the dysfunction of the ghetto:

    1. Competition. Maybe some of these immigrants wouldn’t excel in a US environment competing with lots of whites, Jews and Asians. Their identity thus wouldn’t be as academically minded than when they are the top or near the top at home. Similar to the dynamic that’s spoken about in terms of sport in the US. Or one could make the comparison to Australian actors who have a relatively high amount of opportunities for decent on camera work (Thanks to the Australian quotas for indigenous TV and film production) per capita and so with this experience already in hand, get an easier shot at Hollywood fame than an American actor.

    2. Relative perception of value. One thing that often gets touted is how ‘hard-working’ immigrants tend to be. Yet often they come from places that are notorious for their poor work ethics. One reason is that they are simply getting more percieved value out of their work than a native who tallies their standing by the standards of the actual society. The immigrant doesn’t mind being lower because he isn’t really a part of that society (In his own mind, his children, if born in the new country will have a very different attitude, see old Jamaicans in London wondering why the young men are so restless, despondent and depressed working the same jobs they did.) he sees himself advancing relative to his home country. Add in currency disparity and the possibility that they might return and potentially live really well (Many Polish immigrants effectively get more out of certain jobs than natives in the UK and Ireland since the currency difference will allow them to build a house back home working for less in a dead-end job for a few years) compared to his native society. He is thus more motivated to work and gets more relative and perceived benefit from said work, he is progressing by being in this job versus a native who is not.

    We can extrapolate this to a university degree. Imagine the relative value of having a degree from a US university in Kenya versus having one in the US. Though this doesn’t work for all countries as in China where going to the US for undergrad is seen as second rate since you don’t make the personal connections to prosper and only the under-performing rich kids go to undergrad in the US.

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  67. Yak-15 says:

    The beneficiaries are the same black families who are already well off. It’s basically a way to let the Buppies get there kid into Princeton with U Illinois level scores (even after paying for tutors).

    Since intelligence is hereditary, you are essentially creating an elite caste of smart blacks who continually intermarry with each other. I imagine this process will become more standardized going forward by wise black families.

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    Smart blacks like Michelle Obama.
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  68. Thea says:

    The Brazilians had a great idea to not collect race statistics, consider everyone a shade of brown and then declare ” there is no racism in Brazil.” At least it cuts down on the garbage of “white priveledge” and affirmative action.

    They may still have their ethnic grievances but it is on a personal rather than political level. Every topic being political is awful.

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    Brazil initiated affirmative action for university placement in 2001. In 2012 the policy was refined in the Law of Social Quotas. Half of the available seats in federally funded universities are reserved for public high school graduates. Half of that group is reserved for those from families that earn less than 150% of minimum wage. Within these two categories, a seats are reserved for blacks, browns, and indigenous based on their proportions to whites in each state. (LINK)

    "In 2014, the government introduced a quota system for federal jobs. The affirmative action regulations require that 20 percent of all government positions be filled by people of color — either black or mixed race." Since race in Brazil is determined by appearance and not heritage, race tribunals have been set up to determine if federal job applicants are actually black or brown. Skin color, hair texture, lip size, and nose width are examined.

    http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2016/09/29/495665329/for-affirmative-action-brazil-sets-up-controversial-boards-to-determine-race
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  69. Steve Sailer says:

    These ignored students tend to be not the more fashionable ethnicities, because our society has been fixated upon recruiting blacks and Latinos for a half century now, but, typically, white boys in flyover states. The most disregarded students today are the same kind of people who got us to the moon in 1969.

    http://takimag.com/article/not_affirmative_enough_steve_sailer/print#ixzz4tF1EiY6f

    The young people who are nastily pushed away from the Ivy League and other fancy-pants places are the same type of people who voted for President Trump. President Trump won the electoral college vote because he used the German Strategy. The German Strategy was to win the votes of Americans of German ancestry in the WOMP states — Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania. The WOMP states are loaded the hell up with Germans.

    When you combine the German Strategy with the Southern Strategy you get all the groups that have been racially cleansed from the Ivy League and other fancy-pants parts of academia. So, the answer to the question about who has lost out in academia from the WASP / Jew effort to increase non-White enrollment at ruling class indoctrination centers, the answer is German Americans, Anglo-Celtic Americans, White Catholic Americans and other Whites.

    The most infuriating part of this WASP / Jew plot to attack regular White Americans is when these rancid bastards go scouting the jungle in some Third World hellholes looking for potential students just to deny some AMERCAN young person the chance to go to some of these universities where the future ruling class meets and mingles.

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  70. I’ve long argued that the biggest beneficiaries of AA are those of pure European ancestry who have Spanish surnames. They get the best of both worlds. They counts as Hispanic for AA purposes, but professionally and socially they can pass themselves off as white.

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  71. @anony-mouse
    Yes the kind of people who Harvard's ignoring did get us to the Moon.

    But did the people who got us to the Moon in the sixties go to Harvard in the pre-AA era? Heck the two bicycle mechanics who started the whole thing didn't even graduate high school.

    Maybe those flyover boys shouldn't be going to Harvard. Maybe they don't want to.

    As a white, small town, flyover boy who went to an elite east coast college, I can tell you that I don’t recommend it.

    It’s not a lot of fun to be surrounded by people with whom you have nothing in common but an SAT score.

    In hindsight, I would much rather have gone to a state school and let my parents keep their life savings.

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    I'd counter that by noting, as someone who grossly under-reached by attending the local State U, the difficulty of relating to people starkly less intelligent and worldly than you are (a low bar to clear at a place like that). Not to mention the obvious utility of carrying an elite credential for life.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Thomm, I don't know if white nationalists tend to be very left wing in economic matters, but I've read some of that on here. I also don't know if that would be why they wouldn't be taken seriously (if they're not). I can say, however, that it is pretty damn stupid to be a socialist if you are a white nationalist.

    They say that they want to be with their own kind, and there must be some place just for white people - fair enough. Yet then they (SOME of them) come on and say we will have the government confiscate income and wealth, basically years of peoples' life-labor, to redistribute from the responsible to the irresponsible. The HBD basis for wanting to be with one's own is written about knowledgeably, but where is the simple understanding of the dysgenics of encouraging the irresponsible and stupid to breed using the money confiscated from the responsible and smart ones, most of whom then will not have the means to be very fertile? Where's your HBD then, bitchez? This stupidity is all too prevalent.

    I don't know 27 y/o's life story, but I've read plenty of good comments of his - however, the creeping socialist tendencies come out, but maybe that's just a personal need to get rid of student debt. Forgiveness of student debt would be just as unfair as affirmative action is, as, if it were accomplished, nothing would stop any student from ringing up a big tab after 4 - 8 years of fun, because Joe Taxpayer would be on the hook. One more piece of the socialist structure would be in place. You would have a transition of an unfairness to the responsible college students who weren't wasteful, paid some of their way, or at least paid their way later via loan payments ... to every non-student from then on who has a decent job under IRS control (they have a long, long arm, too.) Guess what,it may be you. Your new name is Joe Taxpayer - instant Latent Karma's Gonna Getchoo...

    ... gonna knock you in the head.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3qvosHHcWc

    Yes, a wealth tax is a sick idea, usually only touted by hard-core Commies that, as mentioned earlier, missed those critical days in kindergarten.
    , @dr kill
    I attended a Big Ten school undergrad ('76) and an Ivy League professional school('85) . In my opinion the difference in education was not worth the 400% difference in price. I don't know where LWoods found so many stupid students, but not in my undergrad classes. Could be different now than it was 35 years ago.
    , @Marty T
    I'd rather see smart white flyover kids go to local schools as well. Those that go to Ivies will be brainwashed into the leftist culture (like Bill Clinton was). They may be better off, and happier, going to Iowa or Purdue or Wisconsin for free, enjoying college sports, meeting and marrying a fellow Midwesterner, rather than becoming an investment banker.
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  72. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Indeed even Neil Armstrong was offered admission to MIT but chose Purdue instead.

    None of the astronauts in the Right Stuff by Tom Wolfe went to Harvard or any sort of Ivy League college at all. Alan Shephard-Anapolis, Gus Grissom-Purdue, Gordon Cooper-University of Hawaii, Walter Shirra-Anapolis, Deke Slayton-University of Minnesota, John Glenn-Muskingum College (which he didn’t graduate from), Scott Carpenter-University of Colorado (he didn’t graduate either). Both Glenn and Carpenter were later given degrees by their colleges for their achievements in space.

    My takeaway is that is you’re a WASP alpha male with courage and brains, bothering with Harvard or the Ivy League is a waste of time and money. A military college or a decent state university is fine.

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    Good points, except that Trump went to Penn (and graduated) and has done just fine. He's about as WASPy an Alpha Male as one will ever see.
    , @Jack D
    You're assuming that being an astronaut is the pinnacle of American society. The astronauts were doing a job that was filled by chimps before they did it. For public relations purposes, NASA needed some Spam in a Can and the astronauts as former test pilots insisted on having some ability to control the spacecraft, but for all intents and purposes the capsules were flown by that huge room full of people at Ground Control (get it - ground CONTROL) and not by the monkey in the seat.

    Wolfe also writes about how, by the time of the Space Program, the American elites had stopped sending their sons to the military, which was the feeder for the original astronaut corps (of course after Vietnam it became even worse) so you have guys like John Glenn, illustrious graduate of Muskingum College, instead.

    This didn't used to be true. Harvard has a very impressive memorial filled with the names of the Harvard men lost in the Civil War and MIT has walls covered with the names of MIT men lost in WWI and WWII, but it peters out after that. Harvard College, which had lost 691 alumni in World War II, lost a total of 12 men in Vietnam from the classes of 1962 through 1972. Those classes at Princeton lost six, at MIT two.
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  73. As a previous commenter noted, interesting but not surprising. AA is discrimination, and naturally those who are discriminated against (mostly whites and Asians) aren’t too happy about it. But the beneficiaries, mostly blacks and, to a lesser extent, Hispanics, suffer as well. When they obtain a job or college admission, they are often regarded to have done so because of AA rather than because of their own merits. I agree with Martin Luther King – people should be judged by the content of their characters and not the color of their skins. But everyone knows what a bigot he was.

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    When I was in college I had two roommates who bragged about being AA admits. They were cynical as heck and laughing all the way. The fact that their presence may have excluded a better qualified student never occurred to them.
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  74. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Elites in charge of places like Harvard try to bring in substandard blacks for much the same reason that monarchs in old European countries liked having court dwarves. They feel munificent when they have something pathetic hanging around to provide contrast.

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    Elites in charge of places like Harvard try to bring in substandard blacks for much the same reason that monarchs in old European countries liked having court dwarves. They feel munificent when they have something pathetic hanging around to provide contrast.
     
    I don't think this is it precisely - it's more like how the stranger played by Clint Eastwood nominated the dwarf Mordecai played by Billy Curtis to be the new Sheriff and Mayor of Lago in High Plains Drifter. It's to humiliate the bystanders and disfavored outsiders by elevating an obvious inferior to a coveted and elite role.
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  75. eah says:

    OT

    Sure bud.

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  76. With regards to Elvis Kahoro’s being recruited for Claremont Pamona, it doesn’t sound much different in kind for what NCAA football/basketball schools tend to do for landing their desired recruit. Not much different from UCLA’s tactics of the 2000′s in order to help the Bruins reach the Final Four.

    “These ignored students tend to be…white boys in flyover states. The most disregarded students today are the same kind of people who got us to the moon in 1969.”

    James Watson of DNA fame came from the Midwest as well.

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    Watson has background that brigs together Middle America. His father's family is usually said to be all English, but I have read someone note that his father's side has at least one Welsh branch and one Scottish branch. Watson's mother's father's family is from Scottish ancestry, and Watson's mother's mother's family is of Irish ancestry.

    Watson was raised Catholic. As is no shock to me, Watson linked his atheism to his father and the father's family.
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  77. @Anon
    None of the astronauts in the Right Stuff by Tom Wolfe went to Harvard or any sort of Ivy League college at all. Alan Shephard-Anapolis, Gus Grissom-Purdue, Gordon Cooper-University of Hawaii, Walter Shirra-Anapolis, Deke Slayton-University of Minnesota, John Glenn-Muskingum College (which he didn't graduate from), Scott Carpenter-University of Colorado (he didn't graduate either). Both Glenn and Carpenter were later given degrees by their colleges for their achievements in space.

    My takeaway is that is you're a WASP alpha male with courage and brains, bothering with Harvard or the Ivy League is a waste of time and money. A military college or a decent state university is fine.

    Good points, except that Trump went to Penn (and graduated) and has done just fine. He’s about as WASPy an Alpha Male as one will ever see.

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    Donald Trump is hardly WASPy though; he's White ethnic. He's a about as WASPy as Dean Martin, Lay Leno, Joe Namath, Mike Ditka, Andy Warhol or Frank Sinatra. Donald Trump's non-identical twin, Christopher Walken is oddly White ethnic too, rather than WASPy. Some of these guys could have passed for WASPs but chose not too. Trump's sister and uncle seem to have passed for WASP. It's kind of like octoroons in a Faulkner novel.
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  78. L Woods says:
    @James Braxton
    As a white, small town, flyover boy who went to an elite east coast college, I can tell you that I don't recommend it.

    It's not a lot of fun to be surrounded by people with whom you have nothing in common but an SAT score.

    In hindsight, I would much rather have gone to a state school and let my parents keep their life savings.

    I’d counter that by noting, as someone who grossly under-reached by attending the local State U, the difficulty of relating to people starkly less intelligent and worldly than you are (a low bar to clear at a place like that). Not to mention the obvious utility of carrying an elite credential for life.

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    Point taken. Maybe the way to go is an under the radar elite school like Rice?
    , @Hibernian
    At Iowa State in the "70s, many were intelligent (not all) but few were worldly.
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  79. 22pp22 says:
    @nigel
    "He quipped that the majority of aboriginals who made a living from being aggrieved aboriginals were not very aboriginal. For pictures see:

    http://australian-news.net/article/bolt-trial-free-speech-under-threat

    For this he was banned from ever discussing the subject ever again by an activist judge called Mordecai Bromberg."

    Mordecai Bromberg. That's a good solid Kiwi name. I'm sure he feels total solidarity with the people of New Zealand. Activist or not, he probably only wants what is best for his country.

    West Island is just my bad attempt at a joke. I was referring to Australia

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    For a minute, I thought I was learning something new about Bolt...forgetting the down under humor.
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  80. @27 year old
    Biggest beneficiaries are the entrenched ruling class, aka "capital"

    By the way, what's the ethnic makeup of the wealthiest 1% and 0.1% in America?

    Wealth tax 2020

    The WASP / Jew ruling class of the American Empire must be dislodged using any and all means available. German Americans, White Catholics(Irish, Italians…etc.), Southern Anglo-Celts and other regular Americans of English ancestry must crush the evil WASP / Jew ruling class.

    Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Mike Bloomberg, Shelly Adelson, Woody Johnson and the rest of the billionaire WASP /Jew globalizers must be defeated in their attempts to destroy America.

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  81. Jack D says:
    @AM

    Racially homogeneous societies such as Japan are blessed when it comes to college admissions because college admission is not tied into racial politics. [...] Ironically, this is the system that elite US universities used until “too many” Jews started filling up their classes 100 years ago. Our entire current “holistic” admission system was invented solely to obfuscate its Jew excluding mission and was later seamlessly repurposed for black enhancing (Asian excluding) purposes.
     
    So you're saying the US could have avoided the whole mess if we had never let Jews immigrate and then operate freely in society in the first place. Interesting argument.

    I don’t know what the alternative Judenrein history of the US would look like. The black population was there almost from the beginning and at some point would have begun agitating Jews or no Jews. And now we have Asians filling the place of Jews as the minority that “studies too hard and makes us look bad.”

    Immigrants tend to occupy certain ecological niches so that, for example, when the Jews of NY aged out of the dry cleaning business (their sons all became dentists) they were not replaced by native whites but by the next immigrant group on the conveyor (Koreans) whose sons in turn will all become dentists. In the ’30s , City College was 80% Jewish (used to be big fights between the Trotskyites and the Stalinists) and now Stuyvesant High is 80% Asian.

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  82. eah says:
    @eah
    OT

    Sure bud.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKL6sSOX0AAp37c.jpg
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  83. @Maj. Kong
    Upper-middle class women are the largest beneficiaries of A/A. Indeed, the "sexual harassment" concept was invented to give them a hugbox at work free of icky beta males. Of course, they can't be "slut shamed" either.

    I agree. They’re best placed to make the most of the anti-White male hiring policies simply because they’re the wives and daughters of the men who were running things before. It’s a case of being able to have their cake and eat it too. It’s also a great way to win over the men currently holding positions of power. They get to be grand and progressive while handing things over to their daughters, daughters-in-law, wives, girlfriends and mistresses.

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  84. Jack D says:
    @Anon
    None of the astronauts in the Right Stuff by Tom Wolfe went to Harvard or any sort of Ivy League college at all. Alan Shephard-Anapolis, Gus Grissom-Purdue, Gordon Cooper-University of Hawaii, Walter Shirra-Anapolis, Deke Slayton-University of Minnesota, John Glenn-Muskingum College (which he didn't graduate from), Scott Carpenter-University of Colorado (he didn't graduate either). Both Glenn and Carpenter were later given degrees by their colleges for their achievements in space.

    My takeaway is that is you're a WASP alpha male with courage and brains, bothering with Harvard or the Ivy League is a waste of time and money. A military college or a decent state university is fine.

    You’re assuming that being an astronaut is the pinnacle of American society. The astronauts were doing a job that was filled by chimps before they did it. For public relations purposes, NASA needed some Spam in a Can and the astronauts as former test pilots insisted on having some ability to control the spacecraft, but for all intents and purposes the capsules were flown by that huge room full of people at Ground Control (get it – ground CONTROL) and not by the monkey in the seat.

    Wolfe also writes about how, by the time of the Space Program, the American elites had stopped sending their sons to the military, which was the feeder for the original astronaut corps (of course after Vietnam it became even worse) so you have guys like John Glenn, illustrious graduate of Muskingum College, instead.

    This didn’t used to be true. Harvard has a very impressive memorial filled with the names of the Harvard men lost in the Civil War and MIT has walls covered with the names of MIT men lost in WWI and WWII, but it peters out after that. Harvard College, which had lost 691 alumni in World War II, lost a total of 12 men in Vietnam from the classes of 1962 through 1972. Those classes at Princeton lost six, at MIT two.

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    Harvard College, which had lost 691 alumni in World War II, lost a total of 12 men in Vietnam from the classes of 1962 through 1972. Those classes at Princeton lost six, at MIT two.

    Paul Fussell mentioned that in his book Class, I believe. The divorce between America's "elite" and the White majority has been a long time coming. George W. Bush's shit-kicker by way of Yale act may turn out to be the last successful marriage of those two worlds. Maybe Richard Spencer will help bring in it's revival but on very different terms?

    , @Dave Pinsen
    The Ivy League has certainly changed over the last 120 years.
    https://twitter.com/marinamaral2/status/910501079590277120
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    Nevertheless, Armstrong was accepted by MIT; he simply turned it down. This was after he graduated high school at age 16, when he also earned his pilot's license.

    The Right Stuff is not the authoritative source. Wolfe makes good points, but he is looking at the whole subject from one perspective intended for a popular audience.

    The first group of Astronauts was selected more for physical toughness. Armstrong was in the second group, which had more brains. If you think Apollo was for chimps, read up on what the crews had to learn. It was flown from both the ground and the spacecraft.

    By the way, Pete Conrad, commander of the second moon landing, also from the second group of astronauts, was a Princeton graduate. Not only was he one of the best pilots, he was the funniest one, the most unshakeable, and very well liked.

    , @Captain Tripps
    I think you may be slightly missing the point Wolfe was trying to make. If humans were to be drafted into flying spacecraft, then they necessarily needed to override the ground segment if/when needed, because reaction times between ground and space are dependent on the speed of light, and there was no way that a ground controller could have the same 360-degree awareness that the guy in the spacecraft cockpit had, given the technology at the time.

    Ask Jim Lovell about is sometime. I'm pretty sure he'd tell you he, Ken Mattingly, and Fred Haise were the only ones capable of reestablishing control of the Apollo 13 command module after the oxygen tank exploded. The guys on the ground were still scratching their heads trying to figure out what happened as was flying-by-wire to regain control of the spacecraft.
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  85. L Woods says:
    @Propagandist Hacker
    the biggest beneficiaries of AA are Big Business CEOs and plutocrat shareholders that hold most of the shares of big corporations...these big corporations make more money when the economy grows or at least does not shrink....and how do they prop up the ponzi economy? Well, the economy is like 70% consumer demand...how do they grow consumer demand (or at least keep it from shrinking)? By growing the supply of consumers? And how do they grow the supply of consumers? By increasing the supply of worker-consumers?
    And how do they increase the supply of worker-consumers? By increasing the population and by getting those new people into the workforce?

    How do they increase population? Through white people? No, not so much...uh, who is else left? Oh, nonwhites! And immigrants!

    And what tool can they use to force these nonwhites and nonwhite immigrants into the workforce so they can consumer more and thus increase the wealth of Big Business CEOs and plutocrat shareholders? Uh...affirmative action?

    These Big Business CEOs and plutocrat shareholders make millions. They like that. They want to keep making millions. If consumer demand drops, recession awaits. And guess what? That might cut into their income and wealth.

    So...who benefits the most from affirmative action? Well, who owns most of the wealth in america? Oh, rich people! And whose wealth increases the most if the economy is propped up by increasing consumer demand via immigration and affirmative action? Ah...rich people!

    NAMs and women are more profligate spenders (read: better consumers) than white men. This fact alone explains a very great deal of identity politics.

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    Interesting concept. Definitely the big corps are all-in when it comes to the welfare state, and the white men are the smallest part of that, proportionately.
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  86. Tex says:
    @Wency
    Steve:

    It's clever (and often true) to refer to West African immigrants as the descendants of slave peddlers, but Obama's ancestry is from Kenya. I suspect you know all this.

    Now, could Obama's ancestors have been involved in the Arab slave trade? I think that was mostly Ethiopia/Somalia/Eritrea (the Horn), but I don't know enough to say if it extended to Kenya or not.

    The other side plays pretty fast and loose with the truth, so it's tempting to play their games, but I think your calling card is seldom-spoken truths.

    Otherwise, good piece.

    Now, could Obama’s ancestors have been involved in the Arab slave trade? I think that was mostly Ethiopia/Somalia/Eritrea (the Horn), but I don’t know enough to say if it extended to Kenya or not.

    The Arabs called the Kenya-Tanzania coast the Zanj. Their main trading point was the island of Zanzibar. In the 800s there had been enough black slaves imported to the region of Iraq that when they rebelled they were able to hold off the caliph’s troops for about ten years.

    Obama Sr. was a Luo. The coastal Swahili types and some up-country tribes (Hehe, Nyamwezi, and some others) did most of the slave raiding, right down to the 1890s when the British and German colonialists put a stop to it. Where the Luo fit in, I don’t actually know.

    But I did meet a Guinean fellow who told me that in his country it was regular banter to tell someone, “My tribe used to enslave your tribe.” Lol

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  87. @Jake
    The numbers Steve rolls out are, shall we say, sobering. They show how total a waste of virtually every penny Affirmative Action is, how big a lie it is.

    There can only be one response from a woke person: numbers and simple math lie.

    To fight racism, we double the spending on Affirmative Action and bring in many millions more non-whites to receive it.

    The numbers Steve rolls out are, shall we say, sobering. They show how total a waste of virtually every penny Affirmative Action is, how big a lie it is.

    There can only be one response from a woke person: numbers and simple math lie.

    Don’t forget that Affirmative Action is a zero sum equation.

    For each unqualified or under-qualified admit, a qualified kid who could have availed himself or herself of the resources and opportunities squandered on the AA admit has his or her life potential diminished.

    The liars do a good job of distracting attention from this.

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  88. Marie says:

    Hey, Steve! I sincerely hope you’re being massively disingenuous and playing dumb (make that – mildly retarded) with this. You’re much, MUCH smarter than this. Come on, will Ron Unz not cut the check if you (((blow the whistle?)))

    Newsflash: the maliciously anti-White laws of ‘affirmative action’ – aka ‘Jim Snow’ (as Nicholas Stix has so aptly called them) – were very deliberately installed by an interlocking, hostile apparatus of Judeo-tyrants and -sociopaths within the legal system and academia. Using their co-ethnics’ looted Fed dough, they can ALWAYS rely on a steady stream of paid-off shabbos goy masochists and miscegenators (like the ‘social scientist’ Charles Murray) to play along with their pre-arranged social engineering. For those who doubt an anti-White (((conspiracy))) – go back and read all the academic literature. They planned on White men becoming so disenfranchised they would never be able to fight back! EVER! Sounds rather evil…and genocidal, eh?

    My father, who is a WASP, was not only forcibly bused in his youth to a school full of Chicanos thanks to an unelected (((judge’s))) ruling, but then was forced as an adult to attend a non-American (European) medical school – all thanks to anti-White Jewish quotas to stop brilliant men like himself from challenging their dystopian stranglehold over American medicine. One example – European doctors are horrified that Jewish medical butchers circumcise American infants en masse, and then think nothing of making a tidy profit in the foreskin trade for ‘skin creams’ and highly questionable ‘research’.

    Steve, it is your imperative as a writer to tell the TRUTH, as you so fearlessly have (most of the time) throughout your illustrious career that has taught me so much. It’s very interesting to me that HBD writers like yourself are very quiet, however, about the smoke-and-mirrors ‘social science’ privileging Ashkenazi/Asian ‘intelligence’ over Whites. Obviously there is much validity to the notion of IQ, but ‘The Bell Curve’ was written by a Jewish Skinnerian ‘sociologist’ and a White cuck ‘social scientist’ with Thai half-breed kids. Gee…COULD THERE BE A HIDDEN AGENDA THERE?

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  89. @Wency
    Steve:

    It's clever (and often true) to refer to West African immigrants as the descendants of slave peddlers, but Obama's ancestry is from Kenya. I suspect you know all this.

    Now, could Obama's ancestors have been involved in the Arab slave trade? I think that was mostly Ethiopia/Somalia/Eritrea (the Horn), but I don't know enough to say if it extended to Kenya or not.

    The other side plays pretty fast and loose with the truth, so it's tempting to play their games, but I think your calling card is seldom-spoken truths.

    Otherwise, good piece.

    Actually I think Obama has a slave ancestor on his mother’s side, way back of course. John Punch

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    Actually I think Obama has a slave ancestor on his mother’s side, way back of course.
     
    You don't have to go back very far at all to find the slavemaster in Hussein Øb☭ma's immediate family. Stumped yet, you clever unz readers??

    Answer in my next comment, in the morning.
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  90. Jack D says:
    @AM

    Maybe those flyover boys shouldn’t be going to Harvard. Maybe they don’t want to.
     
    Part of the genius of the American system is recognizing that Harvard and the like only churns out a particular kind of bozo, so it's fine to pick any bozo to run government.

    Harvard and the like only churns out a particular kind of bozo

    I have a friend who went to Yale and he always says “You can always tell a Harvard man, but you can’t tell him much.”

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  91. George says:
    @eah

    “Black children from the wealthiest families”

    That would be whose kids? To cop a running iSteve joke, Antonio Cromartie maybe? Cromartie is probably one of the wealthiest black people in the US. I suspect that percentage wise sports and entertainment is the largest category of US black wealth.

    Paul Robeson Jr seems smart like daddy?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Robeson_Jr.

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    One of the black student leaders of the protests at the University of Missouri two years ago was the son of a Union Pacific Railroad executive, whose disclosed compensation was something like $8 million per year. The son appeared to be a professional grad student still hanging around campus, well past the usual matriculation time for his degree.
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  92. AM says:

    I don’t know what the alternative Judenrein history of the US would look like.

    LOL – It’s a bit uncomfortable when the victim card gets turned upside down, isn’t it?

    I get what you wanted to convey that it was the terrible those mean old WASPs discriminated against Jews and that caused the problems in modern academia.

    But at one point, a real WASP university wouldn’t have let anyone in but Protestants. Catholics were decidedly on their own. That they were letting in any Jews at all, and just putting caps on it is a testament to their overall open mindness and lack of tribalism on the point. I guess by your thinking it would have been just better to make sure everyone at the university was Methodist or Episcopalian or whatever, just like a 100 years earlier?

    I mean gheesh, I don’t want to get in, but as a female Catholic I’m sure there are Jewish schools I just couldn’t attend. That’s life. If the Ivies were such a big deal, Jews were and are plenty smart enough to start their own schools, which blacks did, along with Catholics.

    Generally speaking, every Jewish victim event in history involving whites or Protestants has parallel to Catholics, including the Holocaust, which killed as many or more Christians as Jews. That’s why I’m not real flinchy on the point.

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    Jews did start going in the direction of starting planning their own institutions in the '30s when American anti-Semitism was at high water (Brandeis, Albert Einstein College of Medicine) but the Holocaust really put anti-Semitism in a bad light and the need quickly fell away after the war.

    The difference between what happened to Catholics and Jews is this - Poland is illustrative. Before WWII, Poland was 70% Catholic, 10% Jewish, 20% other (Ukr. Orthodox, etc.). The war killed around 3 million Catholics and 3 million Jews out of a total population of 30 million. So after the war, Poland was 100% Catholic, 0% Jewish. 3 million dead Polish Catholics was a grievous blow to the Catholics of Poland, 3 million dead Polish Jews was the end of their community.

    American elite institutions were (after the earliest days) no longer expressly Protestant institutions but supposedly secular in nature. Harvard certainly did not hesitate to take donations from Jewish alumni.
    , @Hibernian
    "But at one point, a real WASP university wouldn’t have let anyone in but Protestants. Catholics were decidedly on their own."

    Up until the 1960s Catholics were expected by the Catholic Church to go to Catholic schools. That didn't mean it always happened that way. Exceptions included the Kennedys, Bill Buckley, and F. Scott Fitzgerald, all Ivy Leaguers.

    The modern University of Chicago, founded in 1890, (There was a previous one which burned down and went bankrupt.) included handfuls of Catholic, Jewish, and women students in its initial class.
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  93. Jack D says:
    @Clyde

    There is quite a good conservative journalist called Andrew Bolt who is sadly little known beyond the shores of New Zealand’s remote West Island.
    He quipped that the majority of aboriginals who made a living from being aggrieved aboriginals were not very aboriginal. For pictures see:
    http://australian-news.net/article/bolt-trial-free-speech-under-threat
    For this he was banned from ever discussing the subject ever again by an activist judge called Mordecai Bromberg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Bolt
     
    Amazing and I have heard of Andrew Bolt. One our largest Indian Casinos is Foxwoods in Connecticut. It was the first one in, under the Indian Gaming Act of 1988, signed by RR while he was President. The Mashantucket Pequot Tribe owns Foxwoods and brings in outsiders to run it competently. The Mashantucket Pequot Tribe Indians have lots more African genetics than Native American.

    The “Pequot” were legally represented by Barry Margolin, who is a member of a different Tribe.

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    Wolfe also writes about how, by the time of the Space Program, the American elites had stopped sending their sons to the military, which was the feeder for the original astronaut corps (of course after Vietnam it became even worse) so you have guys like John Glenn, illustrious graduate of Muskingum College, instead.

    This didn’t used to be true. Harvard has a very impressive memorial filled with the names of the Harvard men lost in the Civil War and MIT has walls covered with the names of MIT men lost in WWI and WWII, but it peters out after that. Harvard College, which had lost 691 alumni in World War II, lost a total of 12 men in Vietnam from the classes of 1962 through 1972. Those classes at Princeton lost six, at MIT two.
     
    That may be overstated. The military has seldom been the province of the moneyed elite. In the American context, the Civil War was obviously an earth-shaking event, and probably much promoted in the fairly-religious colleges of the time as a moral crusade. Mandatory conscription for WWI and WWII distorted the numbers for a bit, but the stats reverted to trend after these wars.

    To get those numbers back to WWII levels, we'd need another all hands on deck war requiring a mandatory draft without exemptions, such as a conventional war with China, perhaps after it had overrun millions of square miles of its neighbors' territory. Let's hope it never becomes necessary.
    , @Clyde
    http://www.southcoasttoday.com/article/19990930/news/309309960 check it out
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  94. Consider an SAT score of 700, which is common for students at strong private universities such as USC or NYU. On the SAT exam in 2016, for instance, I estimate that only about 645 blacks in the country scored 700 or higher on the math portion, compared with 40,000 whites and an incredible 43,000 Asians.

    There are more than twice as many blacks as Asians in the US, if I am not mistaken. So if Steve’s figures are correct this means that an Asian is 130 times more likely (at a minimum) than a black to score more than 700 on the math part. An amazing statistic.

    Of course, for the reading section, the situation is far better for the blacks: here it would seem that the ratio is only around 40 to 1.

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  95. @L Woods
    I'd counter that by noting, as someone who grossly under-reached by attending the local State U, the difficulty of relating to people starkly less intelligent and worldly than you are (a low bar to clear at a place like that). Not to mention the obvious utility of carrying an elite credential for life.

    Point taken. Maybe the way to go is an under the radar elite school like Rice?

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    I did that for undergrad (GaTech - similar). But nowadays most state Us have plenty of +2 and +3SDs if that's your thing. The flip side of the Ivies squeezing them out.

    I later did Princeton for grad school (now 15 years ago). The exceptional were more exceptional, but there were also unique pathologies that have now metastasized.
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  96. @anony-mouse
    Yes the kind of people who Harvard's ignoring did get us to the Moon.

    But did the people who got us to the Moon in the sixties go to Harvard in the pre-AA era? Heck the two bicycle mechanics who started the whole thing didn't even graduate high school.

    Maybe those flyover boys shouldn't be going to Harvard. Maybe they don't want to.

    Maybe those flyover boys shouldn’t be going to Harvard. Maybe they don’t want to.

    And maybe if Harvard was to be run by Americans, it would trip all over itself to find those very flyover boys to count them among its classes rather than the most exotic nose bone bearer available.

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  97. res says:
    @Shitposter
    Steve, I think that your article could have done a lot better without the references to African-immigrant beneficiaries of affirmative action being the descendants of those who sold the ancestors of African-Americans into slavery.

    As with President Obama, Mr. Kahoro’s ancestors presumably sold many blacks into the slave trade.

     

    The majority of slaves were taken from West Africa, the neighborhood of modern day Nigeria. Kenya is half a continent away and didn't take part in the trans-Atlantic slave trade by virtue of being on the Indian Ocean. It's like blaming the Russians for the Hundred Years' War. Granted, the Kenyan tribes probably sold plenty of their future countrymen to the Arabs, but that injustice isn't one that affirmative action is trying to rectify.

    Steve is catching a lot of flack for that, but I’m not sure it is justified. As you said, it seems the Luo (tribe of Obama’s father) did some slave trading. I’ll leave it to others to fact check this and/or look for other sources: http://aconservativelesbian.com/2009/07/13/obamas-kenyan-ancestors-sold-slaves/
    but I think it is clear “Kenya is not in West Africa” is not a refutation of Steve’s statement.

    The statement you quoted does not mention affirmative action.

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    As German historian Egon Flaig once put it (your link seems to indicate it, too), most Africans pretty much had the choice of being slave traders or slaves, the Arab slave traders saw to it exercising downward pressure from north to south via client states or raids, though slavery was likely endemic anyway at the very least since the days they catered to Egyptians, Romans, Berbers and other white North Africans (and each other).
    , @Jack D
    Kenya being in E. Africa the slaves that the Luo captured would have been destined for the Arab world and not for the New World. The Arab world was (like much of S. America) a population sink for black slaves - the men were mostly castrated and both sexes died of disease or did not live long enough to reproduce so they kept on having to import more generation after generation for centuries. Only in N. America did a few hundred thousand black slaves grow to tens of millions.
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  98. @Anon
    Elites in charge of places like Harvard try to bring in substandard blacks for much the same reason that monarchs in old European countries liked having court dwarves. They feel munificent when they have something pathetic hanging around to provide contrast.

    Elites in charge of places like Harvard try to bring in substandard blacks for much the same reason that monarchs in old European countries liked having court dwarves. They feel munificent when they have something pathetic hanging around to provide contrast.

    I don’t think this is it precisely – it’s more like how the stranger played by Clint Eastwood nominated the dwarf Mordecai played by Billy Curtis to be the new Sheriff and Mayor of Lago in High Plains Drifter. It’s to humiliate the bystanders and disfavored outsiders by elevating an obvious inferior to a coveted and elite role.

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    Indeed -- affirmative action beneficiaries are elevated to positions of high status for the same reason that Caligula (apocryphally I'm sure) elevated his horse to senatorial office.
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  99. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Good points, except that Trump went to Penn (and graduated) and has done just fine. He's about as WASPy an Alpha Male as one will ever see.

    Donald Trump is hardly WASPy though; he’s White ethnic. He’s a about as WASPy as Dean Martin, Lay Leno, Joe Namath, Mike Ditka, Andy Warhol or Frank Sinatra. Donald Trump’s non-identical twin, Christopher Walken is oddly White ethnic too, rather than WASPy. Some of these guys could have passed for WASPs but chose not too. Trump’s sister and uncle seem to have passed for WASP. It’s kind of like octoroons in a Faulkner novel.

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    Let's see, Trump is part German and part Scots. That's about as WASPY as one can get (aside from being 100% English).

    Stop with the leg pulling. It does tend to tickle a bit.
    , @black sea
    So, first we had white hispanics and now we have WASP ethnics?
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  100. Yak-15 says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    Yes, it is true that blacks from the Caribbean and Africa have benefited disproportionately from affirmative action in education, but that is because the programs are poorly designed as in typical US fashion broad lines are defined to determine who has the right to something, rather than targeting those specifically in need. And of course many of those Caribbean and African blacks do have US citizenship or are at some intermediate state towards acquiring it.

    Thus, for example, people are inconvenienced by TSA at airports regardless of whether they are likely to be terrorists, or have flown many times before in recent years without blowing up planes.

    What would be more cost effective is for those blacks whose families can show financial need or residence in certain zip codes to be eligible for financial supports that will help them get job skills or academic qualifications, like for example free tuition, books, transportation, and meals, and in some cases residential accommodations and/or childcare.

    Proving descent from slaves in the territory now known as the US should not be necessary, but should provide bonus points if provided.

    Ancient Rome enslaved my British ancestors. GIMME FREE SHIT

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  101. @Jack D
    You're assuming that being an astronaut is the pinnacle of American society. The astronauts were doing a job that was filled by chimps before they did it. For public relations purposes, NASA needed some Spam in a Can and the astronauts as former test pilots insisted on having some ability to control the spacecraft, but for all intents and purposes the capsules were flown by that huge room full of people at Ground Control (get it - ground CONTROL) and not by the monkey in the seat.

    Wolfe also writes about how, by the time of the Space Program, the American elites had stopped sending their sons to the military, which was the feeder for the original astronaut corps (of course after Vietnam it became even worse) so you have guys like John Glenn, illustrious graduate of Muskingum College, instead.

    This didn't used to be true. Harvard has a very impressive memorial filled with the names of the Harvard men lost in the Civil War and MIT has walls covered with the names of MIT men lost in WWI and WWII, but it peters out after that. Harvard College, which had lost 691 alumni in World War II, lost a total of 12 men in Vietnam from the classes of 1962 through 1972. Those classes at Princeton lost six, at MIT two.

    Harvard College, which had lost 691 alumni in World War II, lost a total of 12 men in Vietnam from the classes of 1962 through 1972. Those classes at Princeton lost six, at MIT two.

    Paul Fussell mentioned that in his book Class, I believe. The divorce between America’s “elite” and the White majority has been a long time coming. George W. Bush’s shit-kicker by way of Yale act may turn out to be the last successful marriage of those two worlds. Maybe Richard Spencer will help bring in it’s revival but on very different terms?

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  102. Jake says:
    @Whiskey
    Gun control is all about disarming Whites so Blacks can abuse them at will.

    Elite Whites hate hate hate non elite Whites. Social Darwinism meets the Calvinist elect

    Yes, Elite whites HATE non-Elite whites. And the Reformation and the Modern replacement of nominally Christian identified societies with ‘scientism’ are indeed both central to that as you note.

    But the source is much older and is ethnic in origin. Anglo-Saxons, as far back as learning to write, have hated Celtic peoples as inherently inferior and deserving of at least cultural genocide. Continental Germans have seen Slavs the same way for as long. Both Anglo-Saxons and Continental Germans have equally long histories of despising Romance peoples as both inherently inferior and parts of nations that steal from the honest and rather innocent Germanics.

    I think you are correct about why white Elites like gun control. They see blacks as their buffer to hang onto all their wealth and power at the expense of the vast majority of whites.

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  103. Yak-15 says:
    @Dump Trump

    These ignored students tend to be...white boys in flyover states. The most disregarded students today are the same kind of people who got us to the moon in 1969.
     
    But but but they didn't! Three African American women got us to the moon, white boys just took all the credit. Or at least according to Hollywood, "based on a true story".

    But by 1998, it was clear to Glazer that if blacks had to win admission on their own merits, the top colleges would be only 1 or 2 percent black, instead of the 6 or 7 percent black seen with affirmative action.
     
    Actually, it's closer to 15% today. Harvard's class of 2021:

    14.6% black
    22.2% Asian
    11.6% Latino
    2.5% Native American/Hawaiian
    38.7% White
    10.4% International

    How are they not being sued by white kids fle nkt representing American white population?

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  104. OT:
    Mr Sailer, you’re featured at this site in the Alt-Right hall of shame:

    https://alternativeright.hopenothate.com/

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    It might be fun and useful to start a thread in which we can comment on and critique that site. It's really quite something, in its own way.
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  105. @Whiskey
    Gun control is all about disarming Whites so Blacks can abuse them at will.

    Elite Whites hate hate hate non elite Whites. Social Darwinism meets the Calvinist elect

    > Gun control is all about disarming Whites so Blacks can abuse them at will.

    That’s pretty much the opposite of what Steve says, gun control being a tool to protect (urban liberal!) whites from blacks. There’s a huge liberal animus against their flyover country cousins, no doubt, but it’s not so clear cut I guess.

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    The implication was that whites are normally law abiding so will cave in naturally for cultural reasons while black thugs with their "devil may care" attitudes will get guns regardless of what the law says....
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  106. Jake says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    With regards to Elvis Kahoro's being recruited for Claremont Pamona, it doesn't sound much different in kind for what NCAA football/basketball schools tend to do for landing their desired recruit. Not much different from UCLA's tactics of the 2000's in order to help the Bruins reach the Final Four.

    "These ignored students tend to be...white boys in flyover states. The most disregarded students today are the same kind of people who got us to the moon in 1969."

    James Watson of DNA fame came from the Midwest as well.

    Watson has background that brigs together Middle America. His father’s family is usually said to be all English, but I have read someone note that his father’s side has at least one Welsh branch and one Scottish branch. Watson’s mother’s father’s family is from Scottish ancestry, and Watson’s mother’s mother’s family is of Irish ancestry.

    Watson was raised Catholic. As is no shock to me, Watson linked his atheism to his father and the father’s family.

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  107. @Cagey Beast
    OT:
    Mr Sailer, you're featured at this site in the Alt-Right hall of shame:

    https://alternativeright.hopenothate.com/

    It might be fun and useful to start a thread in which we can comment on and critique that site. It’s really quite something, in its own way.

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    TL;DR
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  108. AM says:
    @Thomm
    Wealth tax is a horrible idea, and is very left-wing. It is unsurprising that a 27 y/o who has never accomplished anything would propose it.

    Part of the reason race nationalism is not taken seriously is because WNs tend to be very left-wing in economic matters.

    Part of the reason race nationalism is not taken seriously is because WNs tend to be very left-wing in economic matters.

    Anyone else missing Tiny Duck? This is just not nearly as entertaining. It’s like being trolled by the world’s dullest economics professor.

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    Anyone else missing Tiny Duck?
     
    No. His stuff was amusing at first, now it's just retarded.
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  109. keuril says:
    @Jack D
    I should clarify that the under 1,000 number refers to graduating h.s. seniors each year, not the total # of blacks in America with 130+ IQ/700+ SATs. (In the old days both of these scores were 2 SDs to right of the median but they have made the SAT easier so it no longer corresponds so perfectly with IQ.)

    Racially homogeneous societies such as Japan are blessed when it comes to college admissions because college admission is not tied into racial politics. Their top universities more or less just rank order the admission test scores and take from the top of the list until they are full. Ironically, this is the system that elite US universities used until "too many" Jews started filling up their classes 100 years ago. Our entire current "holistic" admission system was invented solely to obfuscate its Jew excluding mission and was later seamlessly repurposed for black enhancing (Asian excluding) purposes. Having left the Garden of Eden, they have never been able to return and probably never will.

    Our entire current “holistic” admission system was invented solely to obfuscate its Jew excluding mission and was later seamlessly repurposed for black enhancing (Asian excluding) purposes. Having left the Garden of Eden, they have never been able to return and probably never will.

    This is a common lament people have about college admissions in America, but the underlying assumption is that Japan, etc. have a better system with their blind reliance on admissions exams. Leaving aside the issue of whether it makes sense to favor particular groups in the admissions process, I would say that holistic admissions is a better approach than simple testing, especially at elite institutions.*

    I say this based on what things are encouraged by each system. A test-only system encourages the smartest students to do nothing but study. A holistic system encourages the smartest students to study a certain amount, and then to do other things that are interesting. That might be starting a company, starting a band, creating an award-winning science project, it doesn’t matter. The American elite admissions system encourages and rewards this sort of behavior in a way no other developed country does, and I’d say that is a good thing.

    * While every university and liberal arts college in the US News Top 100 (two separate rankings, one for national universities and one for LACs) claims to be “holistic,” this is mostly just lip service after you get out of the top 10 or so national universities (and, to a lesser extent, the top three or four LACs). After that, most schools just admit based on test scores and grades.

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  110. @res
    Steve is catching a lot of flack for that, but I'm not sure it is justified. As you said, it seems the Luo (tribe of Obama's father) did some slave trading. I'll leave it to others to fact check this and/or look for other sources: http://aconservativelesbian.com/2009/07/13/obamas-kenyan-ancestors-sold-slaves/
    but I think it is clear "Kenya is not in West Africa" is not a refutation of Steve's statement.

    The statement you quoted does not mention affirmative action.

    As German historian Egon Flaig once put it (your link seems to indicate it, too), most Africans pretty much had the choice of being slave traders or slaves, the Arab slave traders saw to it exercising downward pressure from north to south via client states or raids, though slavery was likely endemic anyway at the very least since the days they catered to Egyptians, Romans, Berbers and other white North Africans (and each other).

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  111. @James Braxton
    As a white, small town, flyover boy who went to an elite east coast college, I can tell you that I don't recommend it.

    It's not a lot of fun to be surrounded by people with whom you have nothing in common but an SAT score.

    In hindsight, I would much rather have gone to a state school and let my parents keep their life savings.

    Thomm, I don’t know if white nationalists tend to be very left wing in economic matters, but I’ve read some of that on here. I also don’t know if that would be why they wouldn’t be taken seriously (if they’re not). I can say, however, that it is pretty damn stupid to be a socialist if you are a white nationalist.

    They say that they want to be with their own kind, and there must be some place just for white people – fair enough. Yet then they (SOME of them) come on and say we will have the government confiscate income and wealth, basically years of peoples’ life-labor, to redistribute from the responsible to the irresponsible. The HBD basis for wanting to be with one’s own is written about knowledgeably, but where is the simple understanding of the dysgenics of encouraging the irresponsible and stupid to breed using the money confiscated from the responsible and smart ones, most of whom then will not have the means to be very fertile? Where’s your HBD then, bitchez? This stupidity is all too prevalent.

    I don’t know 27 y/o’s life story, but I’ve read plenty of good comments of his – however, the creeping socialist tendencies come out, but maybe that’s just a personal need to get rid of student debt. Forgiveness of student debt would be just as unfair as affirmative action is, as, if it were accomplished, nothing would stop any student from ringing up a big tab after 4 – 8 years of fun, because Joe Taxpayer would be on the hook. One more piece of the socialist structure would be in place. You would have a transition of an unfairness to the responsible college students who weren’t wasteful, paid some of their way, or at least paid their way later via loan payments … to every non-student from then on who has a decent job under IRS control (they have a long, long arm, too.) Guess what,it may be you. Your new name is Joe Taxpayer – instant Latent Karma’s Gonna Getchoo…

    … gonna knock you in the head.

    Yes, a wealth tax is a sick idea, usually only touted by hard-core Commies that, as mentioned earlier, missed those critical days in kindergarten.

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    , @Thomm

    I can say, however, that it is pretty damn stupid to be a socialist if you are a white nationalist.
     
    I agree. They are socialists and they are stupid.

    Nazi Germany was socialist in economic terms.

    The KKK was Democrat.

    Modern WN losers are pro-socialism.
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  112. @Black Death
    As a previous commenter noted, interesting but not surprising. AA is discrimination, and naturally those who are discriminated against (mostly whites and Asians) aren't too happy about it. But the beneficiaries, mostly blacks and, to a lesser extent, Hispanics, suffer as well. When they obtain a job or college admission, they are often regarded to have done so because of AA rather than because of their own merits. I agree with Martin Luther King - people should be judged by the content of their characters and not the color of their skins. But everyone knows what a bigot he was.

    When I was in college I had two roommates who bragged about being AA admits. They were cynical as heck and laughing all the way. The fact that their presence may have excluded a better qualified student never occurred to them.

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  113. I don’t now about immigrants from outside what used to be the U.S.A., but I hereby predict some three million Puerto Ricans are about to really put the squeeze on Negroes, especially in Florida and New York, as they swarm to the mainland. I further predict those with the dough will scoop up scads of real estate now conveniently cleansed for them of hovels and mestizos, ripe for the construction of high-dollar resorts and private, tropical mansions whence they can denounce others’ deplorable opposition to diversity with no mention of their own exploitation of the current situation.

    Natural disasters can achieve in mere hours or weeks what otherwise takes creatures like (((Rahm Emmanuel))) months and years to achieve….

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  114. @Achmed E. Newman
    Thomm, I don't know if white nationalists tend to be very left wing in economic matters, but I've read some of that on here. I also don't know if that would be why they wouldn't be taken seriously (if they're not). I can say, however, that it is pretty damn stupid to be a socialist if you are a white nationalist.

    They say that they want to be with their own kind, and there must be some place just for white people - fair enough. Yet then they (SOME of them) come on and say we will have the government confiscate income and wealth, basically years of peoples' life-labor, to redistribute from the responsible to the irresponsible. The HBD basis for wanting to be with one's own is written about knowledgeably, but where is the simple understanding of the dysgenics of encouraging the irresponsible and stupid to breed using the money confiscated from the responsible and smart ones, most of whom then will not have the means to be very fertile? Where's your HBD then, bitchez? This stupidity is all too prevalent.

    I don't know 27 y/o's life story, but I've read plenty of good comments of his - however, the creeping socialist tendencies come out, but maybe that's just a personal need to get rid of student debt. Forgiveness of student debt would be just as unfair as affirmative action is, as, if it were accomplished, nothing would stop any student from ringing up a big tab after 4 - 8 years of fun, because Joe Taxpayer would be on the hook. One more piece of the socialist structure would be in place. You would have a transition of an unfairness to the responsible college students who weren't wasteful, paid some of their way, or at least paid their way later via loan payments ... to every non-student from then on who has a decent job under IRS control (they have a long, long arm, too.) Guess what,it may be you. Your new name is Joe Taxpayer - instant Latent Karma's Gonna Getchoo...

    ... gonna knock you in the head.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3qvosHHcWc

    Yes, a wealth tax is a sick idea, usually only touted by hard-core Commies that, as mentioned earlier, missed those critical days in kindergarten.

    oops, that was supposed to be a reply to Thomm’s post #60, and it was my error, not the software’s. Can you forward this on to Thomm, plz? Mucho thx!

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  115. On the surface the winners of AA seem to be under qualified blacks and hispanics, but in reality they are the losers thanks to academic mismatch. If they had gone to a school where their SAT scores put them in the top quartile rather than the bottom quartile, they would’ve been engineers, computer scientists and doctors. Instead, thanks to AA now most blacks arrive on campus at the bottom quartile and find themselves unable to compete with whites and asians. Most of them end up in soft majors like ethnic studies. Instead of ending AA to end this academic mismatch misery, colleges continue with the charade and now find themselves dealing with an ever larger group of malcontents on campus.

    This mismatch misery follow them through graduation to their first job. According to the Harvard Crimson the highest paid graduates from the class of 2016 were, not surprisingly, Asian Americans, followed by whites, then hispanics, blacks are dead last, no doubt mostly due to their majors. Employers are not as forgiving when it affects their bottom line. They want people who can actually do the work. But of course, now many are forced into diversity hiring just like the government. No doubt all large companies need people with no basic skills like HR people, or operations, admin, general paper pushers. I suppose this is corporate welfare.

    Perhaps the biggest losers are the 1 to 2 percent blacks who actually qualified on their own merit. They get lumped in with all the affirmative action hacks and have to live with the stigma of being a diversity admit for the rest of their lives. If I were one of these people I’d be upset.

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  116. Jack rtan says:

    Yeah the Ivies suck. But that s nothing new. How would any of us like to go to college with beauties like Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Elena Kagan?

    Here at the University of Chicago things are looking rather good. Lots of beautiful freshmen co-eds – I feel like I m at UCLA. Not very much Antifa Lib Left nonsense.

    Surrounding neighborhoods are all Black African American U of C student pop can t be higher than 5%.

    &$&@ the Ivies

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    UofC women used to be pretty homely.
    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    A question for you, Jack. Daughter C has starting looking at colleges and universities in the USA. The U of C sent a rep to her school this month to do an info seminar. DC is a very good student, so she might have a shot at admission, and she liked the U of C attitude toward serious academics and less PC BS than many other top universities.

    But her mother and I are concerned about U of C's neighborhood. I visited there when looking at grad schools in the late 80s, and it was a pretty sobering scene. I've never been back there since.

    What's day-to-day life at U of C like for current students -- maybe especially for those beautiful freshman coeds you've mentioned?
    , @SND

    Here at the University of Chicago things are looking rather good. Lots of beautiful freshmen co-eds – I feel like I m at UCLA.
     
    Gosh Jack, when I drove my daughter down to UCLA it was as though I had bored right through the center of the earth & ended up in...China! Is that what those beautiful co-eds look like? And since this year is the 50th ann. of my graduation from U. of C., I can say that in the good old days it was all the odds are good, but the goods are odd. Nice to hear things may have changed.
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  117. @Whiskey
    Gun control is all about disarming Whites so Blacks can abuse them at will.

    Elite Whites hate hate hate non elite Whites. Social Darwinism meets the Calvinist elect

    Elite Whites hate hate hate non elite Whites. Social Darwinism meets the Calvinist elect

    Perhaps it’s because most elite “whites” are actually Jews who live in fear(and disdain) of protestant whites who in their mind are all white nationalists, and consider it their duty as God’s chosen people to lead the helpless blacks(their fellow victims of WASPs) to the promised land.

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  118. Jack D says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    Yes, it is true that blacks from the Caribbean and Africa have benefited disproportionately from affirmative action in education, but that is because the programs are poorly designed as in typical US fashion broad lines are defined to determine who has the right to something, rather than targeting those specifically in need. And of course many of those Caribbean and African blacks do have US citizenship or are at some intermediate state towards acquiring it.

    Thus, for example, people are inconvenienced by TSA at airports regardless of whether they are likely to be terrorists, or have flown many times before in recent years without blowing up planes.

    What would be more cost effective is for those blacks whose families can show financial need or residence in certain zip codes to be eligible for financial supports that will help them get job skills or academic qualifications, like for example free tuition, books, transportation, and meals, and in some cases residential accommodations and/or childcare.

    Proving descent from slaves in the territory now known as the US should not be necessary, but should provide bonus points if provided.

    If you view AA as a sort of crude reparations for the fact that American black slave descendants were left behind in society by Jim Crow, then the fact that certain Caribbean immigrants are US citizens has nothing to do with it – THEY were not the victims of Jim Crow and are not owed any leg up.

    The analogy that is used is that you can’t keep someone in a cramped cage their entire life and then suddenly release them and wonder why they can’t run a[n academic] footrace as fast as you the next day. Because of their past victimization you have to give them a little head start in race. (At least that USED to be the rationale – since the cage was open 2 or 3 generations ago and the black runners are still running behind, the NEW rationale is the wonderful benefits of DIVERSE viewpoints having black runners in the race bring to the white participants. Universities today are wonderfully diverse – you have white leftists, black leftists, Latino leftists, etc. Strange also that these handicaps affect only academic footraces while when it comes to real footraces blacks do great. ) The (already slim) rationale fails entirely when it come to Caribbean blacks, even those who are citizens.

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  119. @Maj. Kong
    Upper-middle class women are the largest beneficiaries of A/A. Indeed, the "sexual harassment" concept was invented to give them a hugbox at work free of icky beta males. Of course, they can't be "slut shamed" either.

    Upper-middle class women are the largest beneficiaries of A/A.

    I’ve heard the claim that white women are the major beneficiaries of AA on several occasions, usually by black males. But I’ve never seen a reasoned argument thereof. I’ve been inclined to interpret the notion simply as a misunderstanding of the reasons behind the rise of women in the workforce, but does it actually have some merit?

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    I've heard the claim from a black lawyer: he pointed to how his law firm had satisfied its female quotas in the 1970s-1980s by hiring the daughters of clients.
    , @Steve Sailer
    I've heard the claim from a black lawyer: he pointed to how his law firm had satisfied its female quotas in the 1970s-1980s by hiring the daughters of clients.
    , @NJ Transit Commuter
    @Henry's Cat
    Anecdotal evidence only, so you have to take it with a grain of salt, but I work for a major global corporation in an industry where women have always been underrepresented.

    In global companies, it's not called AA, its called "diversity and inclusion." Supposedly this means that we will hire and promote to create a workforce representative of the world population. In reality it means that white women with engineering and law degrees are the main beneficiaries.
    , @JackOH
    HC, I took a shot at answering your question a while back on these pages. Can't find my original comment, but, in a nutshell, White women hired for customarily White male jobs offered compliance with equal employment goals, they were much more numerous than Black males who were the intended beneficiaries of affirmative action, they voided the possibility of workplace racial tension, plus, employers found they were willing to accept somewhat lower salaries than men they displaced. That last item, I think, is a consequence of "mommy-tracking", time-outs for child-rearing, their status as the second income earner in a two income household. Hope that helps.

    I think human resources folks were astounded that affirmative action goals could be met by hiring perky, attractive Suzie instead of sullen, vaguely menacing Dujuan, whom it was actually meant to help.

    , @grapesoda
    You must be incredibly stupid if you think that every single company in the Western world over a certain size (usually about 50) being literally FORCED by the government to hire women (AKA quotas) has no effect on who gets hired and who doesn't. And aside from explicit quotas, there is also social pressure to hire women and minorities, as well as female gender nepotism, all leading to "we need a woman for this position," or "we need more women in X field." Men would also display gender nepotism if they were allowed to, but that gets nipped in the bud PDQ, just like anything else the regressive intolerants don't want.

    The beauty of affirmative action is that those who benefit from it are never told that they were hired because of AA. Due to solipsism, they just naturally assume they were qualified in the first place.

    Thank God I left the USA years ago. There is nothing worth saving there anymore. Good luck with your civilization guys. I'll be rooting from you from afar.

    , @Truth
    You're right, half anyway, and this axiom is wrong. Wealthy white (and Jewish) MEN are the greatest beneficiaries of this, and every other, social program.

    This is why they build these deceptive programs. You have to follow the money. Everybody does everything in his own self-interest.

    , @Brutusale
    The fact that all the government programs for contractors doing business with them have guidelines that read "woman/minority-owned" should answer your question.

    Given the look of companies I've been involved with over the years, it's much easier (or more prudent) to install a figurehead mother/sister/wife than some minority.

    Tech actually created the paradigm when Lotus Development's Mitch Kapor hired (then started sleeping with) the Original HR Lady, Frieda Klein, as virulent an SJW as ever lived. It's how tech companies meet their diversity guidelines.

    I did business with Lotus 30 years ago, and spent time at the Cambridge headquarters and the North Reading, MA production campus. They were like two different companies, one with bearded white guys in cutoffs and the other with scowling harridans of many shades (including the spinster sister of a friend).

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  120. Jack D says:
    @res
    Steve is catching a lot of flack for that, but I'm not sure it is justified. As you said, it seems the Luo (tribe of Obama's father) did some slave trading. I'll leave it to others to fact check this and/or look for other sources: http://aconservativelesbian.com/2009/07/13/obamas-kenyan-ancestors-sold-slaves/
    but I think it is clear "Kenya is not in West Africa" is not a refutation of Steve's statement.

    The statement you quoted does not mention affirmative action.

    Kenya being in E. Africa the slaves that the Luo captured would have been destined for the Arab world and not for the New World. The Arab world was (like much of S. America) a population sink for black slaves – the men were mostly castrated and both sexes died of disease or did not live long enough to reproduce so they kept on having to import more generation after generation for centuries. Only in N. America did a few hundred thousand black slaves grow to tens of millions.

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    It’s almost as if the temperate climate and – even more importantly, since it can hardly be argued Africans are unsuited to tropical, hot environments – the altruism and concern of northwestern Europeans, even for their slaves, along with a general penchant for organising safe, healthy, efficient societies, is nonpariel in all the world. That cannot be true, though, because it’s a settled fact that they in fact create violent, oppressive societies more horrible than any other, which is why no one, anywhere else in the world, wants to leave his own society to join those created and maintained by northwestern Europeans.

    Or something.
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  121. @Wency
    Steve:

    It's clever (and often true) to refer to West African immigrants as the descendants of slave peddlers, but Obama's ancestry is from Kenya. I suspect you know all this.

    Now, could Obama's ancestors have been involved in the Arab slave trade? I think that was mostly Ethiopia/Somalia/Eritrea (the Horn), but I don't know enough to say if it extended to Kenya or not.

    The other side plays pretty fast and loose with the truth, so it's tempting to play their games, but I think your calling card is seldom-spoken truths.

    Otherwise, good piece.

    The Arab slavers had a base at Zanzibar, and Tim Butcher (in his book Blood River) described how he followed the old slave routes into Kenya and on into Central Africa (the whole East African coast was controlled by Arabs down to Mozambique). The last of the Zanzibar slave traders died in 1905, but while some Africans worked for the slave traders, the trade seems to have been controlled by Arabs – a contrast to West Africa. As late as 1964 there was an uprising of Africans against Arabs in Zanzibar in which several thousand Arabs were killed, so there was no love lost.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tippu_Tip

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  122. @Henry's Cat

    Upper-middle class women are the largest beneficiaries of A/A.
     
    I've heard the claim that white women are the major beneficiaries of AA on several occasions, usually by black males. But I've never seen a reasoned argument thereof. I've been inclined to interpret the notion simply as a misunderstanding of the reasons behind the rise of women in the workforce, but does it actually have some merit?

    I’ve heard the claim from a black lawyer: he pointed to how his law firm had satisfied its female quotas in the 1970s-1980s by hiring the daughters of clients.

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    One of the results of such a policy is the creation of an even more tightly knit haute bourgeoisie. Having male and female academics and politicians intermarry means that any guy with controversial ideas has to ask himself whether he wants to bring the whole "village" down on his wife and in-laws. Frankly, he has to ask himself whether his wife will side with him or their whole social circle. This would be far less of a problem in the Dark Ages of the 1950s, when a man could marry a woman and she did other things out there among the tennis courts and white gloves.
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  123. dr kill says:
    @elmer t. jones
    Black Americans have proven their inability to create or sustain infrastructure and are dependent on whites to provide that. No other ethnic group is willing to share with blacks what whites provide from a dwindling sense of responsibility for black poverty.

    Blacks do not form intra-tribal networks of trust and mutual support crucial to community development. Given real estate and architecture designed by whites for mercantile operations, black dysfunction quickly renders them useless. They must follow new white development to attain employment and housing, while the once perfectly functional retail structures they inherited fall into ruin.

    Blacks need healthy white host communities to survive. Therefor it is beneficial for blacks that "white privilege" exists, and that white men take advantage of it. White privilege grants opportunity and support for whites, but demands repayment from them in the form of functional citizenship.

    For white men and white men alone return to the community the fruits of white privilege. Everyone else hoards it for themselves or extracts it from white men to redistribute to blacks while proclaiming their brave efforts on behalf of social justice.

    Blacks know this and that is why they hate white men. Talented blacks reap the benefits of living within white economic structures while those lacking marketable skills choose public assistance, criminality, or anti-racist activism to support themselves.

    Black leaders attain notoriety by condemning whites and calling out racism, but rarely admonish blacks or encourage them to develop the commerce or industry building skills that could break their dependence on whites. They choose the depressing litany of the talentless Genius T. Coates over the uplifting prescription of the practically-skilled Booker T. Washington.

    Thanks for writing my comment for me. I would just add that I’m not quite certain at which percent Black an area ceases to function, but it’s less than fifty.
    Imagine emigrating to any Black-controlled country. Is there a single successful one? Imagine living in a Black-controlled city. Is there a single successful example?

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  124. Ed says:
    @Wency
    Steve:

    It's clever (and often true) to refer to West African immigrants as the descendants of slave peddlers, but Obama's ancestry is from Kenya. I suspect you know all this.

    Now, could Obama's ancestors have been involved in the Arab slave trade? I think that was mostly Ethiopia/Somalia/Eritrea (the Horn), but I don't know enough to say if it extended to Kenya or not.

    The other side plays pretty fast and loose with the truth, so it's tempting to play their games, but I think your calling card is seldom-spoken truths.

    Otherwise, good piece.

    The East African/Arab slave trade went all they way into the interior of the Congo. Tippy Tip, an infamous slave trader known for vicious cruelty, met Livingstone & Stanley in the Congo and helped them.

    Still it’s unlikely that Obama’s people were slave traders although it’s possible since they were Muslim.

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  125. @Henry's Cat

    Upper-middle class women are the largest beneficiaries of A/A.
     
    I've heard the claim that white women are the major beneficiaries of AA on several occasions, usually by black males. But I've never seen a reasoned argument thereof. I've been inclined to interpret the notion simply as a misunderstanding of the reasons behind the rise of women in the workforce, but does it actually have some merit?

    I’ve heard the claim from a black lawyer: he pointed to how his law firm had satisfied its female quotas in the 1970s-1980s by hiring the daughters of clients.

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  126. @Steve Sailer
    I've heard the claim from a black lawyer: he pointed to how his law firm had satisfied its female quotas in the 1970s-1980s by hiring the daughters of clients.

    One of the results of such a policy is the creation of an even more tightly knit haute bourgeoisie. Having male and female academics and politicians intermarry means that any guy with controversial ideas has to ask himself whether he wants to bring the whole “village” down on his wife and in-laws. Frankly, he has to ask himself whether his wife will side with him or their whole social circle. This would be far less of a problem in the Dark Ages of the 1950s, when a man could marry a woman and she did other things out there among the tennis courts and white gloves.

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  127. @Thea
    The Brazilians had a great idea to not collect race statistics, consider everyone a shade of brown and then declare " there is no racism in Brazil." At least it cuts down on the garbage of "white priveledge" and affirmative action.

    They may still have their ethnic grievances but it is on a personal rather than political level. Every topic being political is awful.

    Brazil initiated affirmative action for university placement in 2001. In 2012 the policy was refined in the Law of Social Quotas. Half of the available seats in federally funded universities are reserved for public high school graduates. Half of that group is reserved for those from families that earn less than 150% of minimum wage. Within these two categories, a seats are reserved for blacks, browns, and indigenous based on their proportions to whites in each state. (LINK)

    “In 2014, the government introduced a quota system for federal jobs. The affirmative action regulations require that 20 percent of all government positions be filled by people of color — either black or mixed race.” Since race in Brazil is determined by appearance and not heritage, race tribunals have been set up to determine if federal job applicants are actually black or brown. Skin color, hair texture, lip size, and nose width are examined.

    http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2016/09/29/495665329/for-affirmative-action-brazil-sets-up-controversial-boards-to-determine-race

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  128. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Indeed even Neil Armstrong was offered admission to MIT but chose Purdue instead.

    In Tom Wolfe’s The Right Stuff, Neil Armstrong doesn’t come off as having a lot of common sense. He decides to land a plane on a lake bed after Chuck Yeager warns him the plane’s landing gear will get stuck in it. Which it does.

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    Don't get me started on Yeager vs. Armstrong. Chuck didn't like the new slide rule boys who were stepping on his tough-guy turf. If you want Neil's side of the lakebed landing story, read his biography, First Man. Good ol' boy Chuck had something to do with getting Armstrong to do the muddy landing.

    Armstrong could have run intellectual circles around Yeager. By that time, aerospace testing was moving away from cowboys to engineers.

    The Right Stuff is a good book that made for a fun movie, but Wolfe wrote it from one perspective intended for a popular audience. His view of astronauts comes from the first group, seven men chosen as much for their toughness as anything else. (For a few years, my father worked three doors down the hall from one, Wally Schirra, who had retired from NASA.)

    If you want the definitive story on Neil Armstrong, read his biography, First Man. Armstrong, who graduated high school at age 16 -- and again, was accepted by MIT -- was in the second group. Those men were selected more for brains, when it became obvious that Apollo was going to require crews that could think.

    Also in that second group of non-Tom Wolfe astronauts was Pete Conrad, commander of the second moon landing. He was a graduate of a place called Princeton University.

    Conrad broke the modern stereotype of Ivy Leagers all the way to the end: He died after crashing his Harley Davidson on a mountain road.

    To get a feel for the wit and personality of Pete Conrad, Princeton alumnus, listen to him here, landing on the moon with copilot Alan Bean:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbj8Zo053Lc

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  129. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Jack D
    You're assuming that being an astronaut is the pinnacle of American society. The astronauts were doing a job that was filled by chimps before they did it. For public relations purposes, NASA needed some Spam in a Can and the astronauts as former test pilots insisted on having some ability to control the spacecraft, but for all intents and purposes the capsules were flown by that huge room full of people at Ground Control (get it - ground CONTROL) and not by the monkey in the seat.

    Wolfe also writes about how, by the time of the Space Program, the American elites had stopped sending their sons to the military, which was the feeder for the original astronaut corps (of course after Vietnam it became even worse) so you have guys like John Glenn, illustrious graduate of Muskingum College, instead.

    This didn't used to be true. Harvard has a very impressive memorial filled with the names of the Harvard men lost in the Civil War and MIT has walls covered with the names of MIT men lost in WWI and WWII, but it peters out after that. Harvard College, which had lost 691 alumni in World War II, lost a total of 12 men in Vietnam from the classes of 1962 through 1972. Those classes at Princeton lost six, at MIT two.

    The Ivy League has certainly changed over the last 120 years.

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    Snowball fight or character-building exercise?
    , @Propagandist Hacker
    men used to go to some effort to obtain facial scars, and then wear them proudly...heidelberg, etc...the entire culture has changed
    , @Stealth
    You sure that wasn't a rock fight?
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  130. scrivener3 says: • Website

    Disagree. Stop and Frisk, which was essentially enforcing gun control, made the elite Manhattan playground very safe. There is much less gun control in most red states.

    That is not to say the elite don’t hate guns in red states, they hate it on various principles such as mistrust of the individual, hatred of independence, subjugation of the individual to the collective, etc.

    God created Man, and Mr. Colt made them all equal. The elite hate actual equality in any form.

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  131. @Dave Pinsen
    The Ivy League has certainly changed over the last 120 years.
    https://twitter.com/marinamaral2/status/910501079590277120

    Snowball fight or character-building exercise?

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  132. @Dave Pinsen
    The Ivy League has certainly changed over the last 120 years.
    https://twitter.com/marinamaral2/status/910501079590277120

    men used to go to some effort to obtain facial scars, and then wear them proudly…heidelberg, etc…the entire culture has changed

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  133. L Woods says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Elites in charge of places like Harvard try to bring in substandard blacks for much the same reason that monarchs in old European countries liked having court dwarves. They feel munificent when they have something pathetic hanging around to provide contrast.
     
    I don't think this is it precisely - it's more like how the stranger played by Clint Eastwood nominated the dwarf Mordecai played by Billy Curtis to be the new Sheriff and Mayor of Lago in High Plains Drifter. It's to humiliate the bystanders and disfavored outsiders by elevating an obvious inferior to a coveted and elite role.

    Indeed — affirmative action beneficiaries are elevated to positions of high status for the same reason that Caligula (apocryphally I’m sure) elevated his horse to senatorial office.

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  134. @Henry's Cat

    Upper-middle class women are the largest beneficiaries of A/A.
     
    I've heard the claim that white women are the major beneficiaries of AA on several occasions, usually by black males. But I've never seen a reasoned argument thereof. I've been inclined to interpret the notion simply as a misunderstanding of the reasons behind the rise of women in the workforce, but does it actually have some merit?

    @Henry’s Cat
    Anecdotal evidence only, so you have to take it with a grain of salt, but I work for a major global corporation in an industry where women have always been underrepresented.

    In global companies, it’s not called AA, its called “diversity and inclusion.” Supposedly this means that we will hire and promote to create a workforce representative of the world population. In reality it means that white women with engineering and law degrees are the main beneficiaries.

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  135. Corn says:
    @Maj. Kong
    Upper-middle class women are the largest beneficiaries of A/A. Indeed, the "sexual harassment" concept was invented to give them a hugbox at work free of icky beta males. Of course, they can't be "slut shamed" either.

    The liberal journalist Michael Lind, who has been floating around various think tanks and op-ed columns for decades now, once supposedly stated that AA was a scam where its appearance placated poor minorities but more often than not, enriched middle class or wealthy white women.

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  136. Jack D says:
    @AM

    I don’t know what the alternative Judenrein history of the US would look like.
     
    LOL - It's a bit uncomfortable when the victim card gets turned upside down, isn't it?

    I get what you wanted to convey that it was the terrible those mean old WASPs discriminated against Jews and that caused the problems in modern academia.

    But at one point, a real WASP university wouldn't have let anyone in but Protestants. Catholics were decidedly on their own. That they were letting in any Jews at all, and just putting caps on it is a testament to their overall open mindness and lack of tribalism on the point. I guess by your thinking it would have been just better to make sure everyone at the university was Methodist or Episcopalian or whatever, just like a 100 years earlier?

    I mean gheesh, I don't want to get in, but as a female Catholic I'm sure there are Jewish schools I just couldn't attend. That's life. If the Ivies were such a big deal, Jews were and are plenty smart enough to start their own schools, which blacks did, along with Catholics.

    Generally speaking, every Jewish victim event in history involving whites or Protestants has parallel to Catholics, including the Holocaust, which killed as many or more Christians as Jews. That's why I'm not real flinchy on the point.

    Jews did start going in the direction of starting planning their own institutions in the ’30s when American anti-Semitism was at high water (Brandeis, Albert Einstein College of Medicine) but the Holocaust really put anti-Semitism in a bad light and the need quickly fell away after the war.

    The difference between what happened to Catholics and Jews is this – Poland is illustrative. Before WWII, Poland was 70% Catholic, 10% Jewish, 20% other (Ukr. Orthodox, etc.). The war killed around 3 million Catholics and 3 million Jews out of a total population of 30 million. So after the war, Poland was 100% Catholic, 0% Jewish. 3 million dead Polish Catholics was a grievous blow to the Catholics of Poland, 3 million dead Polish Jews was the end of their community.

    American elite institutions were (after the earliest days) no longer expressly Protestant institutions but supposedly secular in nature. Harvard certainly did not hesitate to take donations from Jewish alumni.

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  137. Corn says:
    @TomSchmidt
    Wealth tax strikes me as a really good idea. The income tax is supposed to be a wealth tax, but instead winds up being a tax on the laborer, not the capitalist, since the "profits" from wages are supposed to be akin to dividends or interest.

    I think Germany has a wealthtax. Do you have examples of countries where it is extant?

    I believe Steve’s old friend Noah Millman said once the Swiss levy a wealth tax. If an industrious, capitalist people like the Swiss can handle a wealth tax I’d say we could too.

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    An estate tax gets you to the same place.
    , @TomSchmidt
    Interesting, thanks.

    One of the best insights I've gotten from Steve has been the difference between Texas and California. Because there is no tax on "income" in Texas, land bears the burden. The thing is, there's really no way to avoid paying a land tax: you cannot hide it, like you can adjust income. You cannot move it offshore. As a result, Texas has a more even tax burden, as the sorts of immigrant networks that turn taxable income into non-taxable income cannot avoid paying taxes in Texas.

    One example: if you work for a company that is not owned by you, you can be reimbursed for a per-diem traveling to different locations. To choose just one example, if you travel to Paris on "business," your company can elect to give you per-dime reimbursement for your expenses, instead of the actual amount of your expenses. Incur costs less than per dime and you can pocket the difference, and it's not "income."

    The per diem for Paris is $497, meaning your company could give you $2485 for a five-day business trip there. Lodge and feed yourself for $700, and the $1785 stays with you.

    I'd imagine immigrant networks in CA can send people on "business trips" to San Francisco where the per diem rates are $341. Or other expensive cities. Pay enough employees reimbursements of $1700 weekly, completely tax free, and you can accumulate a decent middle class lifestyle amount.
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  138. Polynikes says:

    OT, but…

    The students are back in ultra liberal Madison and this has all the makings of another antifa hate hoax

    http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/crime/trump-rules-antifa-sucks-graffiti-swastikas-scrubbed-from-monument-near/article_35101556-e85a-5a1c-b38a-fe1ddb90c28f.html

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  139. JackOH says:
    @Henry's Cat

    Upper-middle class women are the largest beneficiaries of A/A.
     
    I've heard the claim that white women are the major beneficiaries of AA on several occasions, usually by black males. But I've never seen a reasoned argument thereof. I've been inclined to interpret the notion simply as a misunderstanding of the reasons behind the rise of women in the workforce, but does it actually have some merit?

    HC, I took a shot at answering your question a while back on these pages. Can’t find my original comment, but, in a nutshell, White women hired for customarily White male jobs offered compliance with equal employment goals, they were much more numerous than Black males who were the intended beneficiaries of affirmative action, they voided the possibility of workplace racial tension, plus, employers found they were willing to accept somewhat lower salaries than men they displaced. That last item, I think, is a consequence of “mommy-tracking”, time-outs for child-rearing, their status as the second income earner in a two income household. Hope that helps.

    I think human resources folks were astounded that affirmative action goals could be met by hiring perky, attractive Suzie instead of sullen, vaguely menacing Dujuan, whom it was actually meant to help.

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  140. biggest recipients are Barack Obama, Cornel West, Alice Walker, Toni Morrison and Spike Lee–oh, and that dumb physicist Tyson

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    Agree that the biggest beneficiaries of AA are Barack Obama, Cornel West, Neil deGrasse Tyson. Also add Michelle Obama, Susan Rice, Loretta Lynch, Eric Holder, Henry Louis Gates, Clarence Thomas, Sonia Sotomayor...basically any black or hispanic who graduated from an Ivy League is most likely an Affirmative Action hack. Except Thomas Sowell (Cornell), he's the real deal.

    OTOH Alice Walker went to Spelman College(then transferred to Sarah Lawrence), Spike Lee went to Morehouse College and Toni Morrison went to Howard University (then Cornell for grad), all are HBCU (Historically Black College or University). At least they are smart enough to not be someone else's pawns.

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  141. Say Her Name: Kesha

    ‘Can you spell deportation?’ – McDonald’s Employee Fired After Remark.

    “…Rios began recording mid-confrontation as she was asking the worker for the last name of the manager. It appears the worker wrote the name ‘Kesha’ on a receipt without a last name.

    The employee gives Rios the middle finger through the glass window.

    The mom-of-four is heard telling the worker to ‘do it again’ repeatedly.

    ‘I kept saying, ”do it again, do it again,” because I wanted to have proof of what she did to me,’ Rios said.

    It’s when Rios said, ‘can you do the same thing?’ that the unidentified employee responded with, ‘can you say Donald Trump?’ repeating his name and asked, ‘can you spell deportation?’

    http://www.wfaa.com/news/can-you-spell-deportation-mcdonalds-employee-fired-after-remark/474768732

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  142. AM says:

    The difference between what happened to Catholics and Jews is this – Poland is illustrative. Before WWII, Poland was 70% Catholic, 10% Jewish, 20% other (Ukr. Orthodox, etc.). The war killed around 3 million Catholics and 3 million Jews out of a total population of 30 million. So after the war, Poland was 100% Catholic, 0% Jewish. 3 million dead Polish Catholics was a grievous blow to the Catholics of Poland, 3 million dead Polish Jews was the end of their community.

    sigh

    You just not going to give up this victim status are you? Jews are not particular victims of anything and never have been.

    Catholicism managed to convert North Africa and most of the Middle East by about 700 AD.

    How many Catholics are there now? People take over lands and the previous cultures and ethnicities die. That’s just how it is on planet earth.

    Meanwhile, for the first time in history, a people got given a land of out sympathy. Nobody is giving back Constantinople to Eastern Rite Catholics because Muslims felt bad about kidnapping Christian boys to run the Ottoman empire.

    Jews have found welcome in the US (sorry it wasn’t perfect, it wasn’t for Catholics either) and they have now a land of their own. At some point, it has to be enough.

    American elite institutions were (after the earliest days) no longer expressly Protestant institutions but supposedly secular in nature. Harvard certainly did not hesitate to take donations from Jewish alumni.

    Um..right,that’s why they had all those churches and chapels. Most didn’t become highly secular until our highly secular age. I went to a 2nd tier liberal arts school that actively had services well into the 1950′s.

    And basically,after opening the doors and getting an education you’re trying to imply it’s terrible that Harvard took money from alumni. Where’s that head space at? Is that an attempt to create a grudge out of thin air?

    Like I said, I’m not twitchy on this at all. We can keep going until I can convince you that there’s nothing special about the Jewish experience other than the remarkable fact they still exist in 2017 as a distinct people.

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    Half the world population of Jews was slaughtered during WW2. Your lack of understanding or empathy isn't very "Christian".
    , @Jack D
    I'm obviously not going to convince you. There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See. You obviously have your own reasons for wanting to trivialize this - I don't know what they are, but they are yours and your alone. All respectable historians (and not just leftists) understand that the Holocaust was a uniquely terrible event in European history.

    Read this - maybe it will get thru:

    http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/ecumenical-and-interreligious/jewish/upload/Catholic-Teaching-on-the-Shoah-Implementing-the-Holy-See-s-We-Remember-2001.pdf
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  143. Daniel H says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    I split this off - here's the obligatory (cause it's true!) anti-socialism one, based on this quote from Mr. Sailer about the recruiting of black African students:

    To lure Mr. Kahoro, who was born in Kenya, Pomona went to extraordinary lengths. It flew him to campus during the fall of his senior year, paying for all his travel expenses. After he was accepted, financial aid covered close to the full cost of attendance, and he has never had to take out a loan; the college even gives him extra money for textbooks and cross-country trips to visit his family.
     
    OK, you don't have to tell me, this posh Pomona College is private so this is NOT socialism. Agreed, they can do whatever they want to screw the white guy, so it is OK by us constitutionalists. Yes, but I just think that this should be some kind of lesson to any of the white guys there that earned some of their tuition in combination with ending up with mortgage-sized loans after 4 years. The ones whose rich parents or trust funds paid the whole bill won't care, and, in fact, may just like the business quoted above due to heavy guilt. The former can ruminate about the fairness of it all and maybe even relate this to US Feral Gov't socialism/money-redistribution during their times ogling the hotties on the quad, or maybe while working in their cube job years later.

    Hey, this stuff should have been learned by kindergarten when the teacher made you share your toy that you took good care of with the other kid who trashed all his stuff. I guess many of these socialists, even on unz.com, must have been sick a lot during kindergarten, because this stuff made perfect sense to me. Well, the Pomona kids getting screwed by having their tuition money spent per the quote above, can learn their lesson 15 years later - better late than never, right, Bernie? (C'mon old fart, you're like 80 and you still don't get a lesson that kids 6% of your age understand?)

    >>To lure Mr. Kahoro, who was born in Kenya, Pomona went to extraordinary lengths. It flew him to campus during the fall of his senior year, paying for all his travel expenses. After he was accepted, financial aid covered close to the full cost of attendance, and he has never had to take out a loan; the college even gives him extra money for textbooks and cross-country trips to visit his family.

    My nephew applied to Pomona 2 years ago. Here are his important stats. Perfect ACT score, National Merit scholar, 4.0 + GPA (4.0+ for having taken honors courses), won prestigious Illinois high school Computer Science medal, came in second in prestigious Illinois high school math competition, scored 5 on all advanced placement exams (Calc, Physics, Chemistry, Bio, American History). Attended University of Chicago every summer since age 13 for gifted math students. Played and started Football and Lacrosse, plays rock guitar, tutors other kids.

    Pomona application: rejected.

    I suspect that the fact that he went to a traditional Catholic School didn’t help him. If he had become a heretic or blasphemer by his senior year he would have been in like Flynn.

    Fuck’em. Burn them down.

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    Played and started Football and Lacrosse, plays rock guitar, tutors other kids. </blockquote

    Obvious candidate for Haven Monahan style gang rapist.
     

     
    , @Veracitor
    Pomona College's 2015 admission stats (link). Fewer than ten percent of all applicants were offered admission. Over twelve percent of those who were offered admission were black; over fifty percent were "people of color" (which Pomona defined to include "Asians"). Although Pomona boasts about high median SAT/ACT scores, it does not break scores out by race, so it's not easy to calculate how much racial discrimination is involved in the admissions process.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    He should have changed sexes and filed an amended application. Then, after the 1st semester, once the University health plan kicked in, he could have just checked himself in for an outpatient addidictomy. I mean, unless the girls on campus were not to his liking, in which case, don't, I guess.
    , @Truth
    The school is probably %4 black so he lost out to a lot of whites and Asians. Great idea here, help him select a school that wants him, encourage him, and for fuq sake stop whining, Al(abaster) Sharpton.
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  144. grapesoda says:
    @Henry's Cat

    Upper-middle class women are the largest beneficiaries of A/A.
     
    I've heard the claim that white women are the major beneficiaries of AA on several occasions, usually by black males. But I've never seen a reasoned argument thereof. I've been inclined to interpret the notion simply as a misunderstanding of the reasons behind the rise of women in the workforce, but does it actually have some merit?

    You must be incredibly stupid if you think that every single company in the Western world over a certain size (usually about 50) being literally FORCED by the government to hire women (AKA quotas) has no effect on who gets hired and who doesn’t. And aside from explicit quotas, there is also social pressure to hire women and minorities, as well as female gender nepotism, all leading to “we need a woman for this position,” or “we need more women in X field.” Men would also display gender nepotism if they were allowed to, but that gets nipped in the bud PDQ, just like anything else the regressive intolerants don’t want.

    The beauty of affirmative action is that those who benefit from it are never told that they were hired because of AA. Due to solipsism, they just naturally assume they were qualified in the first place.

    Thank God I left the USA years ago. There is nothing worth saving there anymore. Good luck with your civilization guys. I’ll be rooting from you from afar.

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    to where should we consider moving?
    , @Truth
    The girl who can't dance says the band can't play.
    -Hungarian Proverb
    , @L Woods
    Leaving the U.S. is far easier said than done. You have to somehow support yourself, and the options for doing so are scarce.
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  145. @Cagey Beast
    Donald Trump is hardly WASPy though; he's White ethnic. He's a about as WASPy as Dean Martin, Lay Leno, Joe Namath, Mike Ditka, Andy Warhol or Frank Sinatra. Donald Trump's non-identical twin, Christopher Walken is oddly White ethnic too, rather than WASPy. Some of these guys could have passed for WASPs but chose not too. Trump's sister and uncle seem to have passed for WASP. It's kind of like octoroons in a Faulkner novel.

    Let’s see, Trump is part German and part Scots. That’s about as WASPY as one can get (aside from being 100% English).

    Stop with the leg pulling. It does tend to tickle a bit.

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    My 100% German father considered himself a WASP. He always asked where were the Saxons from?
    , @Hibernian
    He grew up in Queens. A WASP Rodney Dangerfield. I've seen the same phenonenon in Chicago.
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  146. @James Braxton
    Point taken. Maybe the way to go is an under the radar elite school like Rice?

    I did that for undergrad (GaTech – similar). But nowadays most state Us have plenty of +2 and +3SDs if that’s your thing. The flip side of the Ivies squeezing them out.

    I later did Princeton for grad school (now 15 years ago). The exceptional were more exceptional, but there were also unique pathologies that have now metastasized.

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  147. dr kill says:
    @Desiderius
    Steve,

    Check out the pictures on these two:

    https://twitter.com/phl43/status/910174038273806336

    Pretty clear which way the wind is blowing.

    Oh please, Professor Green, do you think we are ignorant of the way hiring works at the University level? I imagine very little investigation would be required to determine the specifics of your employment; i.e., who was your rabbi?

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  148. gregor says:
    @Sunbeam
    Ok:

    "These ignored students tend to be not the more fashionable ethnicities, because our society has been fixated upon recruiting blacks and Latinos for a half century now, but, typically, white boys in flyover states. The most disregarded students today are the same kind of people who got us to the moon in 1969."

    I get the argument, and it rings true with me.

    But quite often on this site, the notion is encountered that environment, geography, even things like your ethnic group holding the reins of power (which interestingly enough seems to be negative for whites sometimes, at least for my segment of "whitehood."), well those things mean nothing.

    Genes are everything. Heredity is the only thing. Raise a kid in a barrel, shoving food in through a bunghole till he's 18, doesn't matter. If the kid has the right genetic makeup he's winning the Fields Medal two months later.

    Has nothing at all to do with Mrs. Haas, his high school math teacher going above and beyond for a talented student. Or his parents:

    "Irma, Junior wants some more math books, stuff they don't have at the library. Geez these ones are expensive. He does pretty good at that kind of thing, so I'm getting them for him. Guess we'll cut back on Golden Corral for a few weeks."

    "Okay John. Heck he wants me to drive him down to Chicago for an Olump... Olimp ... some kind of math thing. Well as long as he likes it. Maybe I'll do some shopping..."

    "IRMA!!!!"

    So my question is this:

    "The most disregarded students today are the same kind of people who got us to the moon in 1969."

    So what have these guys been doing since 1969? Shouldn't we see Silicon Valley in Minnesota by now? Their genes were good enough in '69. What changed?

    And bear in mind I am definitely a prole. (Actually I think of myself as Scotch-Irish, and I don't mean Jewish when I write that.)

    There are plenty of significant environmental influences. Getting hit on the head with a hammer, for example. Right wing thought is actually quite concerned with the effects of “environment,” social conservatism in particular. The skepticism is more for what liberals think of when they talk about “environment” (e.g., midnight basketball) and their fanciful expectations for social engineering.

    I think you are confusing a few things. There’s no question opportunity, circumstances, happenstance, network effects, and so on influence success. But the question is, what is the likelihood of success conditional on an opportunity being granted? Opportunities like being granted an admission slot to Harvard? The point is that among the “flyover whites,” there are those that would be good bets. Affirmative action admits in contrast have proved to be no better than their qualifications suggest (surprise, surprise) and liberals keep saying we just need more money for dem programs.

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  149. @Jack D
    The "Pequot" were legally represented by Barry Margolin, who is a member of a different Tribe.

    Wolfe also writes about how, by the time of the Space Program, the American elites had stopped sending their sons to the military, which was the feeder for the original astronaut corps (of course after Vietnam it became even worse) so you have guys like John Glenn, illustrious graduate of Muskingum College, instead.

    This didn’t used to be true. Harvard has a very impressive memorial filled with the names of the Harvard men lost in the Civil War and MIT has walls covered with the names of MIT men lost in WWI and WWII, but it peters out after that. Harvard College, which had lost 691 alumni in World War II, lost a total of 12 men in Vietnam from the classes of 1962 through 1972. Those classes at Princeton lost six, at MIT two.

    That may be overstated. The military has seldom been the province of the moneyed elite. In the American context, the Civil War was obviously an earth-shaking event, and probably much promoted in the fairly-religious colleges of the time as a moral crusade. Mandatory conscription for WWI and WWII distorted the numbers for a bit, but the stats reverted to trend after these wars.

    To get those numbers back to WWII levels, we’d need another all hands on deck war requiring a mandatory draft without exemptions, such as a conventional war with China, perhaps after it had overrun millions of square miles of its neighbors’ territory. Let’s hope it never becomes necessary.

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  150. @Daniel H
    >>To lure Mr. Kahoro, who was born in Kenya, Pomona went to extraordinary lengths. It flew him to campus during the fall of his senior year, paying for all his travel expenses. After he was accepted, financial aid covered close to the full cost of attendance, and he has never had to take out a loan; the college even gives him extra money for textbooks and cross-country trips to visit his family.

    My nephew applied to Pomona 2 years ago. Here are his important stats. Perfect ACT score, National Merit scholar, 4.0 + GPA (4.0+ for having taken honors courses), won prestigious Illinois high school Computer Science medal, came in second in prestigious Illinois high school math competition, scored 5 on all advanced placement exams (Calc, Physics, Chemistry, Bio, American History). Attended University of Chicago every summer since age 13 for gifted math students. Played and started Football and Lacrosse, plays rock guitar, tutors other kids.

    Pomona application: rejected.

    I suspect that the fact that he went to a traditional Catholic School didn't help him. If he had become a heretic or blasphemer by his senior year he would have been in like Flynn.

    Fuck'em. Burn them down.

    Played and started Football and Lacrosse, plays rock guitar, tutors other kids. </blockquote

    Obvious candidate for Haven Monahan style gang rapist.

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  151. Veracitor says:
    @Daniel H
    >>To lure Mr. Kahoro, who was born in Kenya, Pomona went to extraordinary lengths. It flew him to campus during the fall of his senior year, paying for all his travel expenses. After he was accepted, financial aid covered close to the full cost of attendance, and he has never had to take out a loan; the college even gives him extra money for textbooks and cross-country trips to visit his family.

    My nephew applied to Pomona 2 years ago. Here are his important stats. Perfect ACT score, National Merit scholar, 4.0 + GPA (4.0+ for having taken honors courses), won prestigious Illinois high school Computer Science medal, came in second in prestigious Illinois high school math competition, scored 5 on all advanced placement exams (Calc, Physics, Chemistry, Bio, American History). Attended University of Chicago every summer since age 13 for gifted math students. Played and started Football and Lacrosse, plays rock guitar, tutors other kids.

    Pomona application: rejected.

    I suspect that the fact that he went to a traditional Catholic School didn't help him. If he had become a heretic or blasphemer by his senior year he would have been in like Flynn.

    Fuck'em. Burn them down.

    Pomona College’s 2015 admission stats (link). Fewer than ten percent of all applicants were offered admission. Over twelve percent of those who were offered admission were black; over fifty percent were “people of color” (which Pomona defined to include “Asians”). Although Pomona boasts about high median SAT/ACT scores, it does not break scores out by race, so it’s not easy to calculate how much racial discrimination is involved in the admissions process.

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    Negroes have the lowest IQs--and few, including mulattos like Obama, are cognitively exceptional. So it's blacks who get the most mileage from affirmative action, which is academic fraud. Look at it this way: name 1 black cognitive superstar who has ever graduated from Harvard--LOL
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  152. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Is something radically wrong with African-American culture?

    Yes.

    Rap/HipHop culture is toxic.

    It is some combination of genes/culture. I’d go 70/30. The default 50/50 doesn’t seem to explain enough deviance.

    The thing is — if you already have a SD handicap, why embrace a culture that is at least one SD less useful than default/generic American culture?

    This has been pointed out repeatedly by Black Celebs. Cosby (see Pound Cake Speech), Honorary Black Bill Clinton, Jesse Jackson, &c.

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    This has been pointed out repeatedly by Black Celebs. Cosby (see Pound Cake Speech), Honorary Black Bill Clinton, Jesse Jackson, &c.
     
    Has anyone like that pointed it out recently?
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  153. dr kill says:
    @Dump Trump

    These ignored students tend to be...white boys in flyover states. The most disregarded students today are the same kind of people who got us to the moon in 1969.
     
    But but but they didn't! Three African American women got us to the moon, white boys just took all the credit. Or at least according to Hollywood, "based on a true story".

    But by 1998, it was clear to Glazer that if blacks had to win admission on their own merits, the top colleges would be only 1 or 2 percent black, instead of the 6 or 7 percent black seen with affirmative action.
     
    Actually, it's closer to 15% today. Harvard's class of 2021:

    14.6% black
    22.2% Asian
    11.6% Latino
    2.5% Native American/Hawaiian
    38.7% White
    10.4% International

    They don’t even see the damage they do to their brand.

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  154. Forbes says:
    @George
    "Black children from the wealthiest families"

    That would be whose kids? To cop a running iSteve joke, Antonio Cromartie maybe? Cromartie is probably one of the wealthiest black people in the US. I suspect that percentage wise sports and entertainment is the largest category of US black wealth.

    Paul Robeson Jr seems smart like daddy?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Robeson_Jr.

    One of the black student leaders of the protests at the University of Missouri two years ago was the son of a Union Pacific Railroad executive, whose disclosed compensation was something like $8 million per year. The son appeared to be a professional grad student still hanging around campus, well past the usual matriculation time for his degree.

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  155. @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    Actually I think Obama has a slave ancestor on his mother's side, way back of course. John Punch

    Actually I think Obama has a slave ancestor on his mother’s side, way back of course.

    You don’t have to go back very far at all to find the slavemaster in Hussein Øb☭ma’s immediate family. Stumped yet, you clever unz readers??

    Answer in my next comment, in the morning.

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    OK, OK, stop emailing, calling, sexting and twittering the living hell out of me for the answer. Enough, I'm back.

    The problem is that you people, just as in the "the doctor was his mother" riddle, are sexist as all get-out. Your sexism has blinded you to the obvious answer - a large Wookieish human named Michelle. Mr. Øb☭ma has the whip marks to prove it too but hasn't pressed charges, as the racist juries would never convict based on the word of a 1/2 white man against a soul sister.

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  156. Stealth says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    The Ivy League has certainly changed over the last 120 years.
    https://twitter.com/marinamaral2/status/910501079590277120

    You sure that wasn’t a rock fight?

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    Have you ever been in a serious snowball fight? They can be pretty hard. Especially if you either fill them with rocks or let them freeze overnight. Not that I would ever do such a thing...
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  157. @Achmed E. Newman

    Actually I think Obama has a slave ancestor on his mother’s side, way back of course.
     
    You don't have to go back very far at all to find the slavemaster in Hussein Øb☭ma's immediate family. Stumped yet, you clever unz readers??

    Answer in my next comment, in the morning.

    OK, OK, stop emailing, calling, sexting and twittering the living hell out of me for the answer. Enough, I’m back.

    The problem is that you people, just as in the “the doctor was his mother” riddle, are sexist as all get-out. Your sexism has blinded you to the obvious answer – a large Wookieish human named Michelle. Mr. Øb☭ma has the whip marks to prove it too but hasn’t pressed charges, as the racist juries would never convict based on the word of a 1/2 white man against a soul sister.

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  158. dr kill says:
    @James Braxton
    As a white, small town, flyover boy who went to an elite east coast college, I can tell you that I don't recommend it.

    It's not a lot of fun to be surrounded by people with whom you have nothing in common but an SAT score.

    In hindsight, I would much rather have gone to a state school and let my parents keep their life savings.

    I attended a Big Ten school undergrad (’76) and an Ivy League professional school(’85) . In my opinion the difference in education was not worth the 400% difference in price. I don’t know where LWoods found so many stupid students, but not in my undergrad classes. Could be different now than it was 35 years ago.

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    What about the prestige and connections differences?
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  159. @L Woods
    NAMs and women are more profligate spenders (read: better consumers) than white men. This fact alone explains a very great deal of identity politics.

    Interesting concept. Definitely the big corps are all-in when it comes to the welfare state, and the white men are the smallest part of that, proportionately.

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  160. @Veracitor
    Pomona College's 2015 admission stats (link). Fewer than ten percent of all applicants were offered admission. Over twelve percent of those who were offered admission were black; over fifty percent were "people of color" (which Pomona defined to include "Asians"). Although Pomona boasts about high median SAT/ACT scores, it does not break scores out by race, so it's not easy to calculate how much racial discrimination is involved in the admissions process.

    Negroes have the lowest IQs–and few, including mulattos like Obama, are cognitively exceptional. So it’s blacks who get the most mileage from affirmative action, which is academic fraud. Look at it this way: name 1 black cognitive superstar who has ever graduated from Harvard–LOL

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    Government physicists do not donate large sums to university coffers; Raishida Jone's (and George W. Bush's) and their fathers do.
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  161. Forbes says:
    @DJF
    I would say that the biggest winners are the administrators, educators, and politicians who push affirmative action. They get the cushy jobs with good pay and benefits with no need to actually work.

    I’ve been saying forever that education is a jobs program for adults. Any actual learning that occurs is an accidental by-product of, what is essentially, a daycare facility. Students that excel appear to do so on their own initiative, and in spite of the education blob. Now that the K-12 system has extended to college, with expectations of college-for-all, and student loans for all, it becomes another political interest group that needs to keep the funds flowing to support employment–and not learning.

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  162. dr kill says:
    @Cagey Beast
    It might be fun and useful to start a thread in which we can comment on and critique that site. It's really quite something, in its own way.

    TL;DR

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    Well then don't frigging read it. Thank you though for taking time out of your busy day to share a little snark. It's so rare now days.
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  163. @Daniel H
    >>To lure Mr. Kahoro, who was born in Kenya, Pomona went to extraordinary lengths. It flew him to campus during the fall of his senior year, paying for all his travel expenses. After he was accepted, financial aid covered close to the full cost of attendance, and he has never had to take out a loan; the college even gives him extra money for textbooks and cross-country trips to visit his family.

    My nephew applied to Pomona 2 years ago. Here are his important stats. Perfect ACT score, National Merit scholar, 4.0 + GPA (4.0+ for having taken honors courses), won prestigious Illinois high school Computer Science medal, came in second in prestigious Illinois high school math competition, scored 5 on all advanced placement exams (Calc, Physics, Chemistry, Bio, American History). Attended University of Chicago every summer since age 13 for gifted math students. Played and started Football and Lacrosse, plays rock guitar, tutors other kids.

    Pomona application: rejected.

    I suspect that the fact that he went to a traditional Catholic School didn't help him. If he had become a heretic or blasphemer by his senior year he would have been in like Flynn.

    Fuck'em. Burn them down.

    He should have changed sexes and filed an amended application. Then, after the 1st semester, once the University health plan kicked in, he could have just checked himself in for an outpatient addidictomy. I mean, unless the girls on campus were not to his liking, in which case, don’t, I guess.

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  164. Forbes says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Maybe those flyover boys shouldn’t be going to Harvard. Maybe they don’t want to.
     
    And maybe if Harvard was to be run by Americans, it would trip all over itself to find those very flyover boys to count them among its classes rather than the most exotic nose bone bearer available.

    LOL! I used up my tags…

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  165. Veracitor says:

    Although everyone likes to obsess over Harvard and the other Ivies, affirmative-action does a lot more harm at the next tier of “selective” schools. Harvard admits only a few students each year and readily fills its black quota from the small cohort of highly-qualified blacks which emerge from high school (or apply internationally) each year. The other Ivies vacuum up the rest of those blacks. But there are approximately no highly-intelligent blacks left for the other selective schools! Those take whatever blacks they can get since they must fill their quotas, but the gap between white/asian and black qualifications at the selective schools is much wider. (The latino quota situation is analogous but not so stark because there are more smart latinos.) (Pomona College isn’t an Ivy, but it is desperately devoted to a large black admissions quota. That is why it was willing to go all the way to Africa to get an attractive black.)

    The purposes of affirmative action are as follows: (1) to boost the self-esteem and bragging rights of those who administer AA (are they not noble?); (2) to remove potential revolutionary leaders from the black (or other racial/ethnic) community (they’re a lot less dangerous in some diversity-bureaucrat sinecure than they would be leading a gang); (3) to create a class of very loyal supporters of the current establishment (affirmative-action recipients know how much they are resented by the better-qualified people whose places they usurp by affirmative action; the very livelihoods of affirmative-action recipients depend on their support for the current folks at the top); (4) to reduce competition for the legacies and other remaining non-affirmative-action admits (it’s a mad scramble near the top. If you can push a few folks (say, ten to twenty percent of the contenders?) to the curb early, that just helps you forever more).

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    (Pomona College isn’t an Ivy, but it is desperately devoted to a large black admissions quota. That is why it was willing to go all the way to Africa to get an attractive black.)
     
    Pomona College found Elvis the Kenyan in Georgia. He is in the United States illegally.

    Although everyone likes to obsess over Harvard and the other Ivies, affirmative-action does a lot more harm at the next tier of “selective” schools.
     
    I don't agree. Due to miscegenation and immigration, today's black students at selective schools are much more academically prepared for college than those just 20 years ago. Most blacks at selective colleges seem happy to earn degrees in less taxing majors so there isn't much problem with graduating.

    Blacks who want to major in STEM do suffer because their science and math background is usually quite behind their white and Asian classmates at selective colleges. Tragically the smartest blacks in the country end up dropping out of STEM, whereas if they had gone to a less selective college, they would graduated with a STEM degree. A study showed that a third of black women and half of black men at Duke University wound up changing their majors from STEM.

    The real carnage for black students is bottom tier schools, most HBCUs, community colleges, and for-profit colleges. These place accept people who have no business in college. Most students end up dropping out and in debt. The less a student borrows for college, the more likely they are to default on their loan.
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  166. Forbes says:
    @AM

    Racially homogeneous societies such as Japan are blessed when it comes to college admissions because college admission is not tied into racial politics. [...] Ironically, this is the system that elite US universities used until “too many” Jews started filling up their classes 100 years ago. Our entire current “holistic” admission system was invented solely to obfuscate its Jew excluding mission and was later seamlessly repurposed for black enhancing (Asian excluding) purposes.
     
    So you're saying the US could have avoided the whole mess if we had never let Jews immigrate and then operate freely in society in the first place. Interesting argument.

    Maybe Jews should’ve started more universities than Brandeis and Yeshiva. (Presumably, there are others?) The Puritans, other Protestants, and Catholics opened quite a few.

    Some guy named Stanford started a university, apocryphally because Harvard wanted a ransom to name a building after his recently deceased son.

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  167. Flip says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Let's see, Trump is part German and part Scots. That's about as WASPY as one can get (aside from being 100% English).

    Stop with the leg pulling. It does tend to tickle a bit.

    My 100% German father considered himself a WASP. He always asked where were the Saxons from?

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  168. Flip says:
    @Corn
    I believe Steve's old friend Noah Millman said once the Swiss levy a wealth tax. If an industrious, capitalist people like the Swiss can handle a wealth tax I'd say we could too.

    An estate tax gets you to the same place.

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    Not really, since the wealth is only taxed once. And there are ways to diminish an estate before it gets taxed. If, by contrast, you tax everyone's wealth 1% each year, no such avoidance happens.

    Wikipedia tells us: In addition, wealth is unevenly distributed, with the wealthiest 25% of US households owning 87%[3] of the wealth in the United States, which was $54.2 trillion in 2009.[4][5]
    ...
    Including human capital such as skills, the United Nations estimated the total wealth of the United States in 2008 to be $118 trillion.[7][8]


    Assume 60 trillion in wealth in 2017. Then a 1% wealth tax on EVERYBODY, excluding "human capital" value, would yield 6 trillion in dollars, much more than the US Federal budget.
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  169. Forbes says:
    @22pp22
    West Island is just my bad attempt at a joke. I was referring to Australia

    For a minute, I thought I was learning something new about Bolt…forgetting the down under humor.

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  170. Flip says:
    @dr kill
    Thanks for writing my comment for me. I would just add that I'm not quite certain at which percent Black an area ceases to function, but it's less than fifty.
    Imagine emigrating to any Black-controlled country. Is there a single successful one? Imagine living in a Black-controlled city. Is there a single successful example?

    The Bahamas doesn’t seem too bad.

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  172. Flip says:
    @Jack rtan
    Yeah the Ivies suck. But that s nothing new. How would any of us like to go to college with beauties like Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Elena Kagan?

    Here at the University of Chicago things are looking rather good. Lots of beautiful freshmen co-eds - I feel like I m at UCLA. Not very much Antifa Lib Left nonsense.

    Surrounding neighborhoods are all Black African American U of C student pop can t be higher than 5%.

    &$&@ the Ivies

    UofC women used to be pretty homely.

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  173. @Jack rtan
    Yeah the Ivies suck. But that s nothing new. How would any of us like to go to college with beauties like Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Elena Kagan?

    Here at the University of Chicago things are looking rather good. Lots of beautiful freshmen co-eds - I feel like I m at UCLA. Not very much Antifa Lib Left nonsense.

    Surrounding neighborhoods are all Black African American U of C student pop can t be higher than 5%.

    &$&@ the Ivies

    A question for you, Jack. Daughter C has starting looking at colleges and universities in the USA. The U of C sent a rep to her school this month to do an info seminar. DC is a very good student, so she might have a shot at admission, and she liked the U of C attitude toward serious academics and less PC BS than many other top universities.

    But her mother and I are concerned about U of C’s neighborhood. I visited there when looking at grad schools in the late 80s, and it was a pretty sobering scene. I’ve never been back there since.

    What’s day-to-day life at U of C like for current students — maybe especially for those beautiful freshman coeds you’ve mentioned?

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    When we did a campus visit they bragged about the safety of the immediate environment due to their effective university police.
    , @anon
    UofC? It's unofficial motto used to be, "Where Fun Goes to Die". They did a lot of urban renewal after WW 2 and the Hyde Park is pretty isolated from any other neighborhoods. I know that was the idea, but for a school its size, there seems to be a remarkable lack of restaurants and bars and commercial student hangouts. I used to go the the Oriental Institute on occasion and it is odd driving around. It's all one way streets and passive obstructions that hinder anyone passing through.

    I can compare it to Yale -- which is also cut off from the city (a positive) but has a lot more stuff. I also used to work close to Hopkins (Homewood Campus) which is cut off but close to Roland Park (wealthy neighborhood) and there are a lot of second tier sorts of urban colleges to the North, all the way to Towson State. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_Baltimore The result being that there are places that cater to their tastes.

    In Chicago, DePaul is located in Lincoln Park and there is more than enough everything. It is like the sort of urban neighborhood that graduates with their first job would live (although too gentrified for urban creative types).

    There is an express bus from UofC to the Loop and they try to make it easy. But it is a bit of an island. The University has all the University Stuff to the max, and that fills up most of an Undergrad's time. If she likes the students and the vibe, then I encourage her. The few undergrads I have met seemed great.
    , @Jack D
    I'm more familiar with the U. of P. which is in a similar area but both are generally safe for undergrads who live on campus (you do have to exercise some common sense and not go jogging alone at 3AM). The dorms themselves have pretty good security. There is an extensive campus police force supplemented by unarmed security guards, cameras, etc. Street crime is now from the crack epidemic days. Blacks have figured out that you fare much worse in the court system if you are caught mugging someone who reminds the judge of his granddaughter so they mostly stick to their own kind. Some minor risk from getting caught in crossfire from vibrant disputes but not much. Colleges in urban areas have figured out that even 1 highly publicized murder of a student costs them dearly so they have spent a LOT of $ on security.

    Colleges are required to file crime reports which you can find if you dig around. Lots and lots of stolen laptops, wallets, iphones and bikes (tell your girl never to leave her laptop or bag unattended even for a minute and to get a good U-lock if she gets a bike) but very little violent crime. Campus cops spend a lot of time dealing with alcohol overdoses by students. Girls nowadays think that they can drink like guys but intoxication is proportionate to body weight. On the whole, nothing to worry about.

    https://incidentreports.uchicago.edu/
    , @Triumph104
    "Where fun goes to die."

    In 2014, a University of Chicago student died in his single occupancy dorm room. It took eight days for his body to be found.


    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-autopsy-u-of-c-student-died-of-alcohol-poisoning-20140414-story.html
    , @Flip
    It is safe enough and there are more amenities than there used to be. It is sort of an island but it is easy enough to get around by public transportation or Uber.

    Going to college in Chicago is pretty fun, I think.
    , @Almost Missouri
    Mostly agree with previous commenters, but the risk is somewhat higher for young women vs. young men. There are distinct borders to the neighborhood, though they are not shown on any map (basically the 61st St., Cottage Grove and 47th St., but it's best to keep a block or so buffer additionally.) The beauty and apparent freedom of the lakefront tends lure the adventurous beyond these borders, sometimes with bad results, especially for young women if you get my drift.

    It's urban. If one doesn't or can't understand what that two word sentence means, then maybe best to look elsewhere.
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  174. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “In particular, black males from underclass backgrounds who had been admitted to Harvard had an alarming tendency to violently victimize their fellow students.”

    Was this an actual problem in the 1970′s at Harvard College? You don’t provide a link so I guess you are going by memory. But your racist memory is not trustworthy on matters of race relations from 40 years ago as your deliberate or unconscious bias will really push hard on the scale to make blacks look bad.

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  175. @Meretricious
    biggest recipients are Barack Obama, Cornel West, Alice Walker, Toni Morrison and Spike Lee--oh, and that dumb physicist Tyson

    Agree that the biggest beneficiaries of AA are Barack Obama, Cornel West, Neil deGrasse Tyson. Also add Michelle Obama, Susan Rice, Loretta Lynch, Eric Holder, Henry Louis Gates, Clarence Thomas, Sonia Sotomayor…basically any black or hispanic who graduated from an Ivy League is most likely an Affirmative Action hack. Except Thomas Sowell (Cornell), he’s the real deal.

    OTOH Alice Walker went to Spelman College(then transferred to Sarah Lawrence), Spike Lee went to Morehouse College and Toni Morrison went to Howard University (then Cornell for grad), all are HBCU (Historically Black College or University). At least they are smart enough to not be someone else’s pawns.

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    OTOH Alice Walker went to Spelman College(then transferred to Sarah Lawrence), Spike Lee went to Morehouse College and Toni Morrison went to Howard University (then Cornell for grad), all are HBCU (Historically Black College or University). At least they are smart enough to not be someone else’s pawns.
     
    At that level of income/fame/ influence, everyone is a pawn.

    Quick and easy primer on this; as a middle-class American, you cannot trust anyone who's been on national TV more than twice.
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  176. @grapesoda
    You must be incredibly stupid if you think that every single company in the Western world over a certain size (usually about 50) being literally FORCED by the government to hire women (AKA quotas) has no effect on who gets hired and who doesn't. And aside from explicit quotas, there is also social pressure to hire women and minorities, as well as female gender nepotism, all leading to "we need a woman for this position," or "we need more women in X field." Men would also display gender nepotism if they were allowed to, but that gets nipped in the bud PDQ, just like anything else the regressive intolerants don't want.

    The beauty of affirmative action is that those who benefit from it are never told that they were hired because of AA. Due to solipsism, they just naturally assume they were qualified in the first place.

    Thank God I left the USA years ago. There is nothing worth saving there anymore. Good luck with your civilization guys. I'll be rooting from you from afar.

    to where should we consider moving?

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    Education is free in Germany:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32821678
    , @Truth
    Same place all disgruntled WN do; a place with very, very few RealWhites.
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  177. AP says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    A question for you, Jack. Daughter C has starting looking at colleges and universities in the USA. The U of C sent a rep to her school this month to do an info seminar. DC is a very good student, so she might have a shot at admission, and she liked the U of C attitude toward serious academics and less PC BS than many other top universities.

    But her mother and I are concerned about U of C's neighborhood. I visited there when looking at grad schools in the late 80s, and it was a pretty sobering scene. I've never been back there since.

    What's day-to-day life at U of C like for current students -- maybe especially for those beautiful freshman coeds you've mentioned?

    When we did a campus visit they bragged about the safety of the immediate environment due to their effective university police.

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  178. We can extrapolate this to a university degree. Imagine the relative value of having a degree from a US university in Kenya versus having one in the US. Though this doesn’t work for all countries as in China where going to the US for undergrad is seen as second rate since you don’t make the personal connections to prosper and only the under-performing rich kids go to undergrad in the US.

    I have never met an African student who came to study here then went back. Almost all the ones I know end up staying. So much for benefiting their native countries.

    As for the Chinese, they’re now the largest group in the US, many cheated on their SAT/TOEFL, sent fake recommendations, ghost written essays and lied about fake experiences and fake awards. Our colleges chose to turn a blind eye. They just want the money. But really the only ones who make it here are the rich kids who are looking to emigrate, helping the corrupt government official/businessman dad at home move all his ill gotten gains to the US before he gets thrown in jail. Per the Economist fake college diplomas can be easily purchased in China. For $2 anyone can buy a fake diploma from any US university, including many US universities that don’t even exist, and potential employers have no clue. Of course the most popular fake diploma is from Harvard. Why bother spending $280,000 for the actual degree when you can spend $2 for the same diploma?

    But then again when you compare the $2 diploma to the kids from Harvard who majored in bullshit majors like Ethnic studies, what did they really learn? The kid with the $2 fake diploma might actually have more employable skills, with much less of an attitude.

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    As for the Chinese, they’re now the largest group in the US, many cheated on their SAT/TOEFL, sent fake recommendations, ghost written essays and lied about fake experiences and fake awards. Our colleges chose to turn a blind eye. They just want the money. But really the only ones who make it here are the rich kids who are looking to emigrate, helping the corrupt government official/businessman dad at home move all his ill gotten gains to the US before he gets thrown in jail. ...
     
    YES, all true. I know about a lot of this first-hand and wrote about it in relation to the housing bubble going on in the west coast cities, and to some degree in lots of college towns. Indeed, it is completely about the bucks for the university admins or admissions offices who let them all in - same goes for Saudis and such, but on not nearly as large a scale. The Chinese, at least, have a respect for learning, in some ways, versus the Middle Eastern "folks". They still have a lot of copying and outright cheating, but understand the value of the subject matter.

    Don't think the Chinese are all in the engineering departments (though they basically populate entire grad school classes often), science, or math/statistics either. They will get a degree in education (THE MOST WORTHLESS), sociology or anything else to get that piece of paper. It's good for the colleges' budgets that these Chinese students' parents have not figured out yet that reputations may last much longer than reality. I'd have figured Confucius had a saying that covered that last point, but he was always on about all kinds of other silly stuff, so he must have run out of time ...

    , @Truth

    But then again when you compare the $2 diploma to the kids from Harvard who majored in bullshit majors like Ethnic studies, what did they really learn? The kid with the $2 fake diploma might actually have more employable skills,
     
    Pure dialectic brilliance here. Socrates would be proud.
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  179. Thomm says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Thomm, I don't know if white nationalists tend to be very left wing in economic matters, but I've read some of that on here. I also don't know if that would be why they wouldn't be taken seriously (if they're not). I can say, however, that it is pretty damn stupid to be a socialist if you are a white nationalist.

    They say that they want to be with their own kind, and there must be some place just for white people - fair enough. Yet then they (SOME of them) come on and say we will have the government confiscate income and wealth, basically years of peoples' life-labor, to redistribute from the responsible to the irresponsible. The HBD basis for wanting to be with one's own is written about knowledgeably, but where is the simple understanding of the dysgenics of encouraging the irresponsible and stupid to breed using the money confiscated from the responsible and smart ones, most of whom then will not have the means to be very fertile? Where's your HBD then, bitchez? This stupidity is all too prevalent.

    I don't know 27 y/o's life story, but I've read plenty of good comments of his - however, the creeping socialist tendencies come out, but maybe that's just a personal need to get rid of student debt. Forgiveness of student debt would be just as unfair as affirmative action is, as, if it were accomplished, nothing would stop any student from ringing up a big tab after 4 - 8 years of fun, because Joe Taxpayer would be on the hook. One more piece of the socialist structure would be in place. You would have a transition of an unfairness to the responsible college students who weren't wasteful, paid some of their way, or at least paid their way later via loan payments ... to every non-student from then on who has a decent job under IRS control (they have a long, long arm, too.) Guess what,it may be you. Your new name is Joe Taxpayer - instant Latent Karma's Gonna Getchoo...

    ... gonna knock you in the head.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3qvosHHcWc

    Yes, a wealth tax is a sick idea, usually only touted by hard-core Commies that, as mentioned earlier, missed those critical days in kindergarten.

    I can say, however, that it is pretty damn stupid to be a socialist if you are a white nationalist.

    I agree. They are socialists and they are stupid.

    Nazi Germany was socialist in economic terms.

    The KKK was Democrat.

    Modern WN losers are pro-socialism.

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  180. black sea says:
    @Cagey Beast
    Donald Trump is hardly WASPy though; he's White ethnic. He's a about as WASPy as Dean Martin, Lay Leno, Joe Namath, Mike Ditka, Andy Warhol or Frank Sinatra. Donald Trump's non-identical twin, Christopher Walken is oddly White ethnic too, rather than WASPy. Some of these guys could have passed for WASPs but chose not too. Trump's sister and uncle seem to have passed for WASP. It's kind of like octoroons in a Faulkner novel.

    So, first we had white hispanics and now we have WASP ethnics?

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  181. SND says:
    @Jack rtan
    Yeah the Ivies suck. But that s nothing new. How would any of us like to go to college with beauties like Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Elena Kagan?

    Here at the University of Chicago things are looking rather good. Lots of beautiful freshmen co-eds - I feel like I m at UCLA. Not very much Antifa Lib Left nonsense.

    Surrounding neighborhoods are all Black African American U of C student pop can t be higher than 5%.

    &$&@ the Ivies

    Here at the University of Chicago things are looking rather good. Lots of beautiful freshmen co-eds – I feel like I m at UCLA.

    Gosh Jack, when I drove my daughter down to UCLA it was as though I had bored right through the center of the earth & ended up in…China! Is that what those beautiful co-eds look like? And since this year is the 50th ann. of my graduation from U. of C., I can say that in the good old days it was all the odds are good, but the goods are odd. Nice to hear things may have changed.

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  182. @Jake
    The ending of Steve's article should lead to us asking questions such as these?

    Due to Affirmative Action, how many hardline non-white Leftists became tenured professors who otherwise would not have been deemed worthy of such a position? How have those professors aided the causes of decline in actual academic rigor and student behavior? How many white Gentile men who would have made good or even great professors were kept out because their presence did not 'promote diversity?"

    “How many white Gentile men who would have made good or even great professors were kept out because their presence did not ‘promote diversity?”

    None. There is no shortage of hard left white males who would love to become professors. The departments would still be politically biased in their hiring without AA.

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  183. Bubba says:
    @dearieme
    When we lived in Oz one of the leading Abo activists turned out the part white part negro: not a drop of Abo. When we lived in NZ one of the leading Maori activists turned out to be entirely Irish.

    Sounds like they are relatives of Shaun King and Rachel Dolezal.

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  184. @Jack D
    You're assuming that being an astronaut is the pinnacle of American society. The astronauts were doing a job that was filled by chimps before they did it. For public relations purposes, NASA needed some Spam in a Can and the astronauts as former test pilots insisted on having some ability to control the spacecraft, but for all intents and purposes the capsules were flown by that huge room full of people at Ground Control (get it - ground CONTROL) and not by the monkey in the seat.

    Wolfe also writes about how, by the time of the Space Program, the American elites had stopped sending their sons to the military, which was the feeder for the original astronaut corps (of course after Vietnam it became even worse) so you have guys like John Glenn, illustrious graduate of Muskingum College, instead.

    This didn't used to be true. Harvard has a very impressive memorial filled with the names of the Harvard men lost in the Civil War and MIT has walls covered with the names of MIT men lost in WWI and WWII, but it peters out after that. Harvard College, which had lost 691 alumni in World War II, lost a total of 12 men in Vietnam from the classes of 1962 through 1972. Those classes at Princeton lost six, at MIT two.

    Nevertheless, Armstrong was accepted by MIT; he simply turned it down. This was after he graduated high school at age 16, when he also earned his pilot’s license.

    The Right Stuff is not the authoritative source. Wolfe makes good points, but he is looking at the whole subject from one perspective intended for a popular audience.

    The first group of Astronauts was selected more for physical toughness. Armstrong was in the second group, which had more brains. If you think Apollo was for chimps, read up on what the crews had to learn. It was flown from both the ground and the spacecraft.

    By the way, Pete Conrad, commander of the second moon landing, also from the second group of astronauts, was a Princeton graduate. Not only was he one of the best pilots, he was the funniest one, the most unshakeable, and very well liked.

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  185. Truth says:
    @Daniel H
    >>To lure Mr. Kahoro, who was born in Kenya, Pomona went to extraordinary lengths. It flew him to campus during the fall of his senior year, paying for all his travel expenses. After he was accepted, financial aid covered close to the full cost of attendance, and he has never had to take out a loan; the college even gives him extra money for textbooks and cross-country trips to visit his family.

    My nephew applied to Pomona 2 years ago. Here are his important stats. Perfect ACT score, National Merit scholar, 4.0 + GPA (4.0+ for having taken honors courses), won prestigious Illinois high school Computer Science medal, came in second in prestigious Illinois high school math competition, scored 5 on all advanced placement exams (Calc, Physics, Chemistry, Bio, American History). Attended University of Chicago every summer since age 13 for gifted math students. Played and started Football and Lacrosse, plays rock guitar, tutors other kids.

    Pomona application: rejected.

    I suspect that the fact that he went to a traditional Catholic School didn't help him. If he had become a heretic or blasphemer by his senior year he would have been in like Flynn.

    Fuck'em. Burn them down.

    The school is probably %4 black so he lost out to a lot of whites and Asians. Great idea here, help him select a school that wants him, encourage him, and for fuq sake stop whining, Al(abaster) Sharpton.

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  186. @Dave Pinsen
    In Tom Wolfe's The Right Stuff, Neil Armstrong doesn't come off as having a lot of common sense. He decides to land a plane on a lake bed after Chuck Yeager warns him the plane's landing gear will get stuck in it. Which it does.

    Don’t get me started on Yeager vs. Armstrong. Chuck didn’t like the new slide rule boys who were stepping on his tough-guy turf. If you want Neil’s side of the lakebed landing story, read his biography, First Man. Good ol’ boy Chuck had something to do with getting Armstrong to do the muddy landing.

    Armstrong could have run intellectual circles around Yeager. By that time, aerospace testing was moving away from cowboys to engineers.

    The Right Stuff is a good book that made for a fun movie, but Wolfe wrote it from one perspective intended for a popular audience. His view of astronauts comes from the first group, seven men chosen as much for their toughness as anything else. (For a few years, my father worked three doors down the hall from one, Wally Schirra, who had retired from NASA.)

    If you want the definitive story on Neil Armstrong, read his biography, First Man. Armstrong, who graduated high school at age 16 — and again, was accepted by MIT — was in the second group. Those men were selected more for brains, when it became obvious that Apollo was going to require crews that could think.

    Also in that second group of non-Tom Wolfe astronauts was Pete Conrad, commander of the second moon landing. He was a graduate of a place called Princeton University.

    Conrad broke the modern stereotype of Ivy Leagers all the way to the end: He died after crashing his Harley Davidson on a mountain road.

    To get a feel for the wit and personality of Pete Conrad, Princeton alumnus, listen to him here, landing on the moon with copilot Alan Bean:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbj8Zo053Lc

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    Sounds like Ryan Gosling is going to play Neil Armstrong in "First Man" directed by Damien Chazelle.
    , @Truth
    NASA is a hoax, the earth doesn't rotate the sun, no satellite moves 27,000 miles and hour, and your tough-guy astronaut heroes were a bunch of gay-pansy-boy deceivers, like every other male who is immortalized beyond his time.
    , @The Man From K Street

    Don’t get me started on Yeager vs. Armstrong. Chuck didn’t like the new slide rule boys who were stepping on his tough-guy turf. If you want Neil’s side of the lakebed landing story, read his biography, First Man. Good ol’ boy Chuck had something to do with getting Armstrong to do the muddy landing.
     
    There are more reasons than just that lakebed anecdote for why Scott Crossfield famously called "Yeager: An Autobiography" a gripping novel.

    Wolfe could be even worse, and the movie based on Wolfe (which he disavowed) was just flat-out defamation on a couple of counts.

    Steve has noted before that Ritter ("The Glory of Their Times") and other baseball chroniclers discovered that old retired ballplayers like nothing more than to gossip and bitch about other old ballplayers. The same can be said for old test pilots, and I think will eventually be true of old astronauts.

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  187. jim jones says:
    @DIscharged EE
    to where should we consider moving?

    Education is free in Germany:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32821678

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  188. Clyde says:
    @Jack D
    The "Pequot" were legally represented by Barry Margolin, who is a member of a different Tribe.
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  189. Sadly, it could be that the Africans who were captured and sold into slavery were not as clever as the Africans who captured and sold them.

    That could be the reason for the cognitive difference between Africans in America and their cousins back home.

    In his Taki’s essay, Steve asks if African American culture is the problem. What if that culture is just the natural outgrowth of the poor bastards who were dumb enough to get captured and sold into slavery?

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    "..culture is just the natural outgrowth of the poor bastards who were dumb enough to get captured.."
     
    You're not quoting President Trump on Senator McCain here?

    Could be right. Those fast enough to run in West Africa not Prisoners of War.

    But then Usain Bolt in Jamaica. :-)
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  190. Pericles says:
    @TomSchmidt
    Wealth tax strikes me as a really good idea. The income tax is supposed to be a wealth tax, but instead winds up being a tax on the laborer, not the capitalist, since the "profits" from wages are supposed to be akin to dividends or interest.

    I think Germany has a wealthtax. Do you have examples of countries where it is extant?

    Sweden had a wealth tax on savings larger than about $200k, but abolished it. My impression was that it encouraged tax planning or riskier investment since you always lost 1.5% of capital each year (and got taxed on capital gains too). I think owning houses in desirable neighbourhoods could become inadvertently problematic too, at least for those without big salaries.

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    Yeah, all that plus another minor point that it's wrong to confiscate people's money under threat of incarceration.
    , @TomSchmidt
    Yes, a tax on only one component of wealth is bound to invite monkeyshines.
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  191. @Buzz Mohawk
    Don't get me started on Yeager vs. Armstrong. Chuck didn't like the new slide rule boys who were stepping on his tough-guy turf. If you want Neil's side of the lakebed landing story, read his biography, First Man. Good ol' boy Chuck had something to do with getting Armstrong to do the muddy landing.

    Armstrong could have run intellectual circles around Yeager. By that time, aerospace testing was moving away from cowboys to engineers.

    The Right Stuff is a good book that made for a fun movie, but Wolfe wrote it from one perspective intended for a popular audience. His view of astronauts comes from the first group, seven men chosen as much for their toughness as anything else. (For a few years, my father worked three doors down the hall from one, Wally Schirra, who had retired from NASA.)

    If you want the definitive story on Neil Armstrong, read his biography, First Man. Armstrong, who graduated high school at age 16 -- and again, was accepted by MIT -- was in the second group. Those men were selected more for brains, when it became obvious that Apollo was going to require crews that could think.

    Also in that second group of non-Tom Wolfe astronauts was Pete Conrad, commander of the second moon landing. He was a graduate of a place called Princeton University.

    Conrad broke the modern stereotype of Ivy Leagers all the way to the end: He died after crashing his Harley Davidson on a mountain road.

    To get a feel for the wit and personality of Pete Conrad, Princeton alumnus, listen to him here, landing on the moon with copilot Alan Bean:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbj8Zo053Lc

    Sounds like Ryan Gosling is going to play Neil Armstrong in “First Man” directed by Damien Chazelle.

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    Clint Eastwood played a round of golf with Armstrong and bought the film rights. I wonder if he sold those somewhere along the way, or if he still has anything to do with the project.
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  192. Pericles says:
    @Yak-15
    The beneficiaries are the same black families who are already well off. It's basically a way to let the Buppies get there kid into Princeton with U Illinois level scores (even after paying for tutors).

    Since intelligence is hereditary, you are essentially creating an elite caste of smart blacks who continually intermarry with each other. I imagine this process will become more standardized going forward by wise black families.

    Smart blacks like Michelle Obama.

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    Smart in the relative sense.
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  193. @Steve Sailer
    Sounds like Ryan Gosling is going to play Neil Armstrong in "First Man" directed by Damien Chazelle.

    Clint Eastwood played a round of golf with Armstrong and bought the film rights. I wonder if he sold those somewhere along the way, or if he still has anything to do with the project.

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  194. anon says: • Disclaimer
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    A question for you, Jack. Daughter C has starting looking at colleges and universities in the USA. The U of C sent a rep to her school this month to do an info seminar. DC is a very good student, so she might have a shot at admission, and she liked the U of C attitude toward serious academics and less PC BS than many other top universities.

    But her mother and I are concerned about U of C's neighborhood. I visited there when looking at grad schools in the late 80s, and it was a pretty sobering scene. I've never been back there since.

    What's day-to-day life at U of C like for current students -- maybe especially for those beautiful freshman coeds you've mentioned?

    UofC? It’s unofficial motto used to be, “Where Fun Goes to Die”. They did a lot of urban renewal after WW 2 and the Hyde Park is pretty isolated from any other neighborhoods. I know that was the idea, but for a school its size, there seems to be a remarkable lack of restaurants and bars and commercial student hangouts. I used to go the the Oriental Institute on occasion and it is odd driving around. It’s all one way streets and passive obstructions that hinder anyone passing through.

    I can compare it to Yale — which is also cut off from the city (a positive) but has a lot more stuff. I also used to work close to Hopkins (Homewood Campus) which is cut off but close to Roland Park (wealthy neighborhood) and there are a lot of second tier sorts of urban colleges to the North, all the way to Towson State. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_Baltimore The result being that there are places that cater to their tastes.

    In Chicago, DePaul is located in Lincoln Park and there is more than enough everything. It is like the sort of urban neighborhood that graduates with their first job would live (although too gentrified for urban creative types).

    There is an express bus from UofC to the Loop and they try to make it easy. But it is a bit of an island. The University has all the University Stuff to the max, and that fills up most of an Undergrad’s time. If she likes the students and the vibe, then I encourage her. The few undergrads I have met seemed great.

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    Thanks much for this; it's very helpful.
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  195. @Vinay
    Steve, how about a list of African Americans who’d qualify as the “rough diamonds” rescued by Affirmative Action? That seems like something that should be right up your alley.

    You can confine it to the private sector, so there’s less ambiguity.

    But that’s one of the subtexts of Steve’s article. Affirmative Action is an all-purpose cleaner. A Talented-Tenth type, who would have achieved admission on their own through pure merit, gets obscured by the program. It enables those who want the program to be true to say, “See! It works!”:

    In fact, O’Connor’s decision concocted the perpetual-motion “diversity rationale” for racial privilege: You see, white students benefit from what quota kids bring to the classroom (such as racial resentment). Since nobody can actually measure the benefits of diversity except through faith, there is no end in sight for racial preferences.

    That’s what was observed prior to the imposition of AA. Those 1-2% AfrAms who were admitted to the Ivies truly were competent/capable enough to attend and graduate.

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  196. @Jack D
    You're assuming that being an astronaut is the pinnacle of American society. The astronauts were doing a job that was filled by chimps before they did it. For public relations purposes, NASA needed some Spam in a Can and the astronauts as former test pilots insisted on having some ability to control the spacecraft, but for all intents and purposes the capsules were flown by that huge room full of people at Ground Control (get it - ground CONTROL) and not by the monkey in the seat.

    Wolfe also writes about how, by the time of the Space Program, the American elites had stopped sending their sons to the military, which was the feeder for the original astronaut corps (of course after Vietnam it became even worse) so you have guys like John Glenn, illustrious graduate of Muskingum College, instead.

    This didn't used to be true. Harvard has a very impressive memorial filled with the names of the Harvard men lost in the Civil War and MIT has walls covered with the names of MIT men lost in WWI and WWII, but it peters out after that. Harvard College, which had lost 691 alumni in World War II, lost a total of 12 men in Vietnam from the classes of 1962 through 1972. Those classes at Princeton lost six, at MIT two.

    I think you may be slightly missing the point Wolfe was trying to make. If humans were to be drafted into flying spacecraft, then they necessarily needed to override the ground segment if/when needed, because reaction times between ground and space are dependent on the speed of light, and there was no way that a ground controller could have the same 360-degree awareness that the guy in the spacecraft cockpit had, given the technology at the time.

    Ask Jim Lovell about is sometime. I’m pretty sure he’d tell you he, Ken Mattingly, and Fred Haise were the only ones capable of reestablishing control of the Apollo 13 command module after the oxygen tank exploded. The guys on the ground were still scratching their heads trying to figure out what happened as was flying-by-wire to regain control of the spacecraft.

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    Same thing happened to Armstrong (and some other guy) in one of the Gemini launches. Their capsule somehow got to tumbling out of control and it was only Armstrong's skill as a pilot that got it oriented with the heat shield down, else they would have burned up on re-entry. I remember this well because the network interrupted Batman and thousands of people complained.
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    Yep, it gets pretty hard to compete with the Chinese when that’s your workforce.

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  198. KenH says:
    @Amasius
    Why on earth do Hispanics get affirmative action? With blacks, okay, if you want to go with the official story that Whites made them stupid with slavery and Jim Crow so they need a leg up, but Hispanics? They didn't even show up in large numbers until after 1965 when White Supremacy (tm) was finished. It just sort of blew in, begging the question-style, that these people also deserve special treatment because they aren't White, and no one ever took issue with it.

    Affirmative action applies to everyone except white males these days. Most large corporations consider anyone not white and male to be historically marginalized and discriminated against worthy of AA benefits.

    I’m almost positive this exceeds AA laws as written which were only supposed to apply to blacks, but don’t expect the Republicans to do anything about it since this is yet another issue where they’ve totally capitulated to the left after putting up feeble resistance for a couple of decades.

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  199. @Another Realist

    We can extrapolate this to a university degree. Imagine the relative value of having a degree from a US university in Kenya versus having one in the US. Though this doesn’t work for all countries as in China where going to the US for undergrad is seen as second rate since you don’t make the personal connections to prosper and only the under-performing rich kids go to undergrad in the US.
     
    I have never met an African student who came to study here then went back. Almost all the ones I know end up staying. So much for benefiting their native countries.

    As for the Chinese, they're now the largest group in the US, many cheated on their SAT/TOEFL, sent fake recommendations, ghost written essays and lied about fake experiences and fake awards. Our colleges chose to turn a blind eye. They just want the money. But really the only ones who make it here are the rich kids who are looking to emigrate, helping the corrupt government official/businessman dad at home move all his ill gotten gains to the US before he gets thrown in jail. Per the Economist fake college diplomas can be easily purchased in China. For $2 anyone can buy a fake diploma from any US university, including many US universities that don't even exist, and potential employers have no clue. Of course the most popular fake diploma is from Harvard. Why bother spending $280,000 for the actual degree when you can spend $2 for the same diploma?

    But then again when you compare the $2 diploma to the kids from Harvard who majored in bullshit majors like Ethnic studies, what did they really learn? The kid with the $2 fake diploma might actually have more employable skills, with much less of an attitude.

    As for the Chinese, they’re now the largest group in the US, many cheated on their SAT/TOEFL, sent fake recommendations, ghost written essays and lied about fake experiences and fake awards. Our colleges chose to turn a blind eye. They just want the money. But really the only ones who make it here are the rich kids who are looking to emigrate, helping the corrupt government official/businessman dad at home move all his ill gotten gains to the US before he gets thrown in jail. …

    YES, all true. I know about a lot of this first-hand and wrote about it in relation to the housing bubble going on in the west coast cities, and to some degree in lots of college towns. Indeed, it is completely about the bucks for the university admins or admissions offices who let them all in – same goes for Saudis and such, but on not nearly as large a scale. The Chinese, at least, have a respect for learning, in some ways, versus the Middle Eastern “folks”. They still have a lot of copying and outright cheating, but understand the value of the subject matter.

    Don’t think the Chinese are all in the engineering departments (though they basically populate entire grad school classes often), science, or math/statistics either. They will get a degree in education (THE MOST WORTHLESS), sociology or anything else to get that piece of paper. It’s good for the colleges’ budgets that these Chinese students’ parents have not figured out yet that reputations may last much longer than reality. I’d have figured Confucius had a saying that covered that last point, but he was always on about all kinds of other silly stuff, so he must have run out of time …

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  200. @Pericles
    Sweden had a wealth tax on savings larger than about $200k, but abolished it. My impression was that it encouraged tax planning or riskier investment since you always lost 1.5% of capital each year (and got taxed on capital gains too). I think owning houses in desirable neighbourhoods could become inadvertently problematic too, at least for those without big salaries.

    Yeah, all that plus another minor point that it’s wrong to confiscate people’s money under threat of incarceration.

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  201. Svigor says:

    Part of the reason race nationalism is not taken seriously is because WNs tend to be very left-wing in economic matters.

    Relative to whom? The Democrats? Bernie Sanders? What a clown.

    White nationalism is the establishment’s bogeyman. It’s taken very seriously. So seriously that the establishment never, ever presents or deals with it honestly. Every two minutes hate is focused on White Nationalists. A thousand pro-Whites gather in Charlottesville and the world’s remaining superpower shits its pants.

    White Nationalism is economically agnostic. One can find every flavor under the tent, but left-wing is probably the least represented. Libertarianism is better-represented, but mostly WNs are varying degrees of agnostic on the issue; they don’t care as much about economic issues as other politically active types do, because they have much bigger fish to fry, and because there’s no good reason for WNs to paint themselves into any one corner on the issue (WNism is basically BYOB, except beer costs money, and opinions on economics don’t). I’m almost wholly agnostic on economics (I’m a fair trade over free trade guy, denigrate worship of free markets and the like, but otherwise I don’t care much); I’ll take WN anything over non-WN anything.

    I agree. They are socialists and they are stupid. Nazi Germany was socialist in economic terms. The KKK was Democrat. Modern WN losers are pro-socialism.

    This is easily the weakest kind of patriotard crit of WNism I see. Any man with two brain cells to rub together need only spend 5 minutes talking with altrighters or WNs to know they all loathe communism and socialism. Nazism arose precisely in violent opposition to communism. Without the fear of communist atrocities, Nazis never could have assumed control of Germany. By far the biggest war in the history of planet Earth was fought between Nazis and Commies. Communism and socialism are virulently opposed to pro-White politics, just like Uncle Thomm is. Communism and socialism have always been super “anti-racist,” just like Uncle Thomm is. The left is absolutely the home for his kind of hatred of pro-White politics. All of our biggest enemies are on the left. The controlled, cucked “right” is anti-pro-White, too, but obviously plays second fiddle in this regard to the left.

    Just look at the name: White NATIONALISM. Commies, socialists, the left, Democrats; they’re all INTERNATIONALIST, GLOBALIST. They despise Nationalism in general, and White Nationalism in particular.

    This stuff is so weak, I wouldn’t be surprised if Uncle Thomm is really a leftist, aping the scheisse he reads from patriotards on Twitter in a clumsy attempt to tailor his message to Steve’s overwhelmingly right-leaning audience.

    It’s obvious Uncle Thomm starts from a position of hating pro-White anything, and the rest follows. If he was smarter he’d know how obvious.

    He might also tumble to how badly his obsession with people he calls losers reflects on him. I don’t simultaneously call people losers and give them all of my attention, not least because it would make me look really stupid.

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  202. Jack D says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    A question for you, Jack. Daughter C has starting looking at colleges and universities in the USA. The U of C sent a rep to her school this month to do an info seminar. DC is a very good student, so she might have a shot at admission, and she liked the U of C attitude toward serious academics and less PC BS than many other top universities.

    But her mother and I are concerned about U of C's neighborhood. I visited there when looking at grad schools in the late 80s, and it was a pretty sobering scene. I've never been back there since.

    What's day-to-day life at U of C like for current students -- maybe especially for those beautiful freshman coeds you've mentioned?

    I’m more familiar with the U. of P. which is in a similar area but both are generally safe for undergrads who live on campus (you do have to exercise some common sense and not go jogging alone at 3AM). The dorms themselves have pretty good security. There is an extensive campus police force supplemented by unarmed security guards, cameras, etc. Street crime is now from the crack epidemic days. Blacks have figured out that you fare much worse in the court system if you are caught mugging someone who reminds the judge of his granddaughter so they mostly stick to their own kind. Some minor risk from getting caught in crossfire from vibrant disputes but not much. Colleges in urban areas have figured out that even 1 highly publicized murder of a student costs them dearly so they have spent a LOT of $ on security.

    Colleges are required to file crime reports which you can find if you dig around. Lots and lots of stolen laptops, wallets, iphones and bikes (tell your girl never to leave her laptop or bag unattended even for a minute and to get a good U-lock if she gets a bike) but very little violent crime. Campus cops spend a lot of time dealing with alcohol overdoses by students. Girls nowadays think that they can drink like guys but intoxication is proportionate to body weight. On the whole, nothing to worry about.

    https://incidentreports.uchicago.edu/

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    Thanks very much. I've checked out some of the incident reports. It's not exactly comforting reading, but at least it does seem the university is trying to be transparent about the problem
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  203. JPW says:

    The foremost beneficiary of AA is 3.2% Cherokee and 100% Butthole at the same time.

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  204. Yak-15 says:
    @Pericles
    Smart blacks like Michelle Obama.

    Smart in the relative sense.

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  205. Svigor says:

    “Whites are the main beneficiaries of AA” is like saying you’re the main beneficiary if I rob you and give half the money to POCs and half to your wife. Pretty steep chutzpah curve there.

    Saying women are the main beneficiaries isn’t saying much. Yes, if you remove only White men from eligibility, the recipients will skew female. Did Murray need a slide rule to figure that one out?

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  206. Truth says:
    @Henry's Cat

    Upper-middle class women are the largest beneficiaries of A/A.
     
    I've heard the claim that white women are the major beneficiaries of AA on several occasions, usually by black males. But I've never seen a reasoned argument thereof. I've been inclined to interpret the notion simply as a misunderstanding of the reasons behind the rise of women in the workforce, but does it actually have some merit?

    You’re right, half anyway, and this axiom is wrong. Wealthy white (and Jewish) MEN are the greatest beneficiaries of this, and every other, social program.

    This is why they build these deceptive programs. You have to follow the money. Everybody does everything in his own self-interest.

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  207. Truth says:
    @grapesoda
    You must be incredibly stupid if you think that every single company in the Western world over a certain size (usually about 50) being literally FORCED by the government to hire women (AKA quotas) has no effect on who gets hired and who doesn't. And aside from explicit quotas, there is also social pressure to hire women and minorities, as well as female gender nepotism, all leading to "we need a woman for this position," or "we need more women in X field." Men would also display gender nepotism if they were allowed to, but that gets nipped in the bud PDQ, just like anything else the regressive intolerants don't want.

    The beauty of affirmative action is that those who benefit from it are never told that they were hired because of AA. Due to solipsism, they just naturally assume they were qualified in the first place.

    Thank God I left the USA years ago. There is nothing worth saving there anymore. Good luck with your civilization guys. I'll be rooting from you from afar.

    The girl who can’t dance says the band can’t play.
    -Hungarian Proverb

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    You mean the system is actually just fine and anyone with any complaint about it is just a loser whose opinion is invalid? What an original hot take.
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  208. Truth says:
    @Meretricious
    Negroes have the lowest IQs--and few, including mulattos like Obama, are cognitively exceptional. So it's blacks who get the most mileage from affirmative action, which is academic fraud. Look at it this way: name 1 black cognitive superstar who has ever graduated from Harvard--LOL

    Government physicists do not donate large sums to university coffers; Raishida Jone’s (and George W. Bush’s) and their fathers do.

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  209. Truth says:
    @DIscharged EE
    to where should we consider moving?

    Same place all disgruntled WN do; a place with very, very few RealWhites.

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  210. Truth says:
    @Another Realist

    We can extrapolate this to a university degree. Imagine the relative value of having a degree from a US university in Kenya versus having one in the US. Though this doesn’t work for all countries as in China where going to the US for undergrad is seen as second rate since you don’t make the personal connections to prosper and only the under-performing rich kids go to undergrad in the US.
     
    I have never met an African student who came to study here then went back. Almost all the ones I know end up staying. So much for benefiting their native countries.

    As for the Chinese, they're now the largest group in the US, many cheated on their SAT/TOEFL, sent fake recommendations, ghost written essays and lied about fake experiences and fake awards. Our colleges chose to turn a blind eye. They just want the money. But really the only ones who make it here are the rich kids who are looking to emigrate, helping the corrupt government official/businessman dad at home move all his ill gotten gains to the US before he gets thrown in jail. Per the Economist fake college diplomas can be easily purchased in China. For $2 anyone can buy a fake diploma from any US university, including many US universities that don't even exist, and potential employers have no clue. Of course the most popular fake diploma is from Harvard. Why bother spending $280,000 for the actual degree when you can spend $2 for the same diploma?

    But then again when you compare the $2 diploma to the kids from Harvard who majored in bullshit majors like Ethnic studies, what did they really learn? The kid with the $2 fake diploma might actually have more employable skills, with much less of an attitude.

    But then again when you compare the $2 diploma to the kids from Harvard who majored in bullshit majors like Ethnic studies, what did they really learn? The kid with the $2 fake diploma might actually have more employable skills,

    Pure dialectic brilliance here. Socrates would be proud.

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  211. Truth says:
    @Another Realist
    Agree that the biggest beneficiaries of AA are Barack Obama, Cornel West, Neil deGrasse Tyson. Also add Michelle Obama, Susan Rice, Loretta Lynch, Eric Holder, Henry Louis Gates, Clarence Thomas, Sonia Sotomayor...basically any black or hispanic who graduated from an Ivy League is most likely an Affirmative Action hack. Except Thomas Sowell (Cornell), he's the real deal.

    OTOH Alice Walker went to Spelman College(then transferred to Sarah Lawrence), Spike Lee went to Morehouse College and Toni Morrison went to Howard University (then Cornell for grad), all are HBCU (Historically Black College or University). At least they are smart enough to not be someone else's pawns.

    OTOH Alice Walker went to Spelman College(then transferred to Sarah Lawrence), Spike Lee went to Morehouse College and Toni Morrison went to Howard University (then Cornell for grad), all are HBCU (Historically Black College or University). At least they are smart enough to not be someone else’s pawns.

    At that level of income/fame/ influence, everyone is a pawn.

    Quick and easy primer on this; as a middle-class American, you cannot trust anyone who’s been on national TV more than twice.

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  212. Truth says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Don't get me started on Yeager vs. Armstrong. Chuck didn't like the new slide rule boys who were stepping on his tough-guy turf. If you want Neil's side of the lakebed landing story, read his biography, First Man. Good ol' boy Chuck had something to do with getting Armstrong to do the muddy landing.

    Armstrong could have run intellectual circles around Yeager. By that time, aerospace testing was moving away from cowboys to engineers.

    The Right Stuff is a good book that made for a fun movie, but Wolfe wrote it from one perspective intended for a popular audience. His view of astronauts comes from the first group, seven men chosen as much for their toughness as anything else. (For a few years, my father worked three doors down the hall from one, Wally Schirra, who had retired from NASA.)

    If you want the definitive story on Neil Armstrong, read his biography, First Man. Armstrong, who graduated high school at age 16 -- and again, was accepted by MIT -- was in the second group. Those men were selected more for brains, when it became obvious that Apollo was going to require crews that could think.

    Also in that second group of non-Tom Wolfe astronauts was Pete Conrad, commander of the second moon landing. He was a graduate of a place called Princeton University.

    Conrad broke the modern stereotype of Ivy Leagers all the way to the end: He died after crashing his Harley Davidson on a mountain road.

    To get a feel for the wit and personality of Pete Conrad, Princeton alumnus, listen to him here, landing on the moon with copilot Alan Bean:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbj8Zo053Lc

    NASA is a hoax, the earth doesn’t rotate the sun, no satellite moves 27,000 miles and hour, and your tough-guy astronaut heroes were a bunch of gay-pansy-boy deceivers, like every other male who is immortalized beyond his time.

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  213. @Flip
    An estate tax gets you to the same place.

    Not really, since the wealth is only taxed once. And there are ways to diminish an estate before it gets taxed. If, by contrast, you tax everyone’s wealth 1% each year, no such avoidance happens.

    Wikipedia tells us: In addition, wealth is unevenly distributed, with the wealthiest 25% of US households owning 87%[3] of the wealth in the United States, which was $54.2 trillion in 2009.[4][5]

    Including human capital such as skills, the United Nations estimated the total wealth of the United States in 2008 to be $118 trillion.[7][8]

    Assume 60 trillion in wealth in 2017. Then a 1% wealth tax on EVERYBODY, excluding “human capital” value, would yield 6 trillion in dollars, much more than the US Federal budget.

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  214. @Corn
    I believe Steve's old friend Noah Millman said once the Swiss levy a wealth tax. If an industrious, capitalist people like the Swiss can handle a wealth tax I'd say we could too.

    Interesting, thanks.

    One of the best insights I’ve gotten from Steve has been the difference between Texas and California. Because there is no tax on “income” in Texas, land bears the burden. The thing is, there’s really no way to avoid paying a land tax: you cannot hide it, like you can adjust income. You cannot move it offshore. As a result, Texas has a more even tax burden, as the sorts of immigrant networks that turn taxable income into non-taxable income cannot avoid paying taxes in Texas.

    One example: if you work for a company that is not owned by you, you can be reimbursed for a per-diem traveling to different locations. To choose just one example, if you travel to Paris on “business,” your company can elect to give you per-dime reimbursement for your expenses, instead of the actual amount of your expenses. Incur costs less than per dime and you can pocket the difference, and it’s not “income.”

    The per diem for Paris is $497, meaning your company could give you $2485 for a five-day business trip there. Lodge and feed yourself for $700, and the $1785 stays with you.

    I’d imagine immigrant networks in CA can send people on “business trips” to San Francisco where the per diem rates are $341. Or other expensive cities. Pay enough employees reimbursements of $1700 weekly, completely tax free, and you can accumulate a decent middle class lifestyle amount.

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  215. @Buzz Mohawk
    Don't get me started on Yeager vs. Armstrong. Chuck didn't like the new slide rule boys who were stepping on his tough-guy turf. If you want Neil's side of the lakebed landing story, read his biography, First Man. Good ol' boy Chuck had something to do with getting Armstrong to do the muddy landing.

    Armstrong could have run intellectual circles around Yeager. By that time, aerospace testing was moving away from cowboys to engineers.

    The Right Stuff is a good book that made for a fun movie, but Wolfe wrote it from one perspective intended for a popular audience. His view of astronauts comes from the first group, seven men chosen as much for their toughness as anything else. (For a few years, my father worked three doors down the hall from one, Wally Schirra, who had retired from NASA.)

    If you want the definitive story on Neil Armstrong, read his biography, First Man. Armstrong, who graduated high school at age 16 -- and again, was accepted by MIT -- was in the second group. Those men were selected more for brains, when it became obvious that Apollo was going to require crews that could think.

    Also in that second group of non-Tom Wolfe astronauts was Pete Conrad, commander of the second moon landing. He was a graduate of a place called Princeton University.

    Conrad broke the modern stereotype of Ivy Leagers all the way to the end: He died after crashing his Harley Davidson on a mountain road.

    To get a feel for the wit and personality of Pete Conrad, Princeton alumnus, listen to him here, landing on the moon with copilot Alan Bean:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbj8Zo053Lc

    Don’t get me started on Yeager vs. Armstrong. Chuck didn’t like the new slide rule boys who were stepping on his tough-guy turf. If you want Neil’s side of the lakebed landing story, read his biography, First Man. Good ol’ boy Chuck had something to do with getting Armstrong to do the muddy landing.

    There are more reasons than just that lakebed anecdote for why Scott Crossfield famously called “Yeager: An Autobiography” a gripping novel.

    Wolfe could be even worse, and the movie based on Wolfe (which he disavowed) was just flat-out defamation on a couple of counts.

    Steve has noted before that Ritter (“The Glory of Their Times”) and other baseball chroniclers discovered that old retired ballplayers like nothing more than to gossip and bitch about other old ballplayers. The same can be said for old test pilots, and I think will eventually be true of old astronauts.

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  216. @Pericles
    Sweden had a wealth tax on savings larger than about $200k, but abolished it. My impression was that it encouraged tax planning or riskier investment since you always lost 1.5% of capital each year (and got taxed on capital gains too). I think owning houses in desirable neighbourhoods could become inadvertently problematic too, at least for those without big salaries.

    Yes, a tax on only one component of wealth is bound to invite monkeyshines.

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  217. George says:

    NASCAR rules discriminate against women and the efficiently sized.

    Danica Patrick forced to drive with a 40lb weight, to simulate a child and child seat, to make it fair for overweight hairy people like Tony Stewart.

    http://www.espn.com/racing/nascar/cup/story/_/id/8967000/daytona-500-danica-patrick-body-weight-not-plus-driver-seat

    That’s right NASCAR ‘heroes’ would all be women, midgets, and dwarves were it not for rules to make competition ‘fair’ for the needlessly large.

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    Shades of Harrison Bergeron!

    They figured this out in horse racing maybe 200 years ago, except that they did settle on having all the (horse) drivers be midgets.
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  218. Studley says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Sadly, it could be that the Africans who were captured and sold into slavery were not as clever as the Africans who captured and sold them.

    That could be the reason for the cognitive difference between Africans in America and their cousins back home.

    In his Taki's essay, Steve asks if African American culture is the problem. What if that culture is just the natural outgrowth of the poor bastards who were dumb enough to get captured and sold into slavery?

    “..culture is just the natural outgrowth of the poor bastards who were dumb enough to get captured..”

    You’re not quoting President Trump on Senator McCain here?

    Could be right. Those fast enough to run in West Africa not Prisoners of War.

    But then Usain Bolt in Jamaica. :-)

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  219. L Woods says:
    @Truth
    The girl who can't dance says the band can't play.
    -Hungarian Proverb

    You mean the system is actually just fine and anyone with any complaint about it is just a loser whose opinion is invalid? What an original hot take.

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    I did not say that. I have my doubts about any American who moves to Guatemala or Thailand, and starts carping the problems in his home country.

    The only reason these fools can afford a relatively good life in these places, race-mixing and enjoying the beach is because they were blessed to have be brought up American.
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  220. L Woods says:
    @grapesoda
    You must be incredibly stupid if you think that every single company in the Western world over a certain size (usually about 50) being literally FORCED by the government to hire women (AKA quotas) has no effect on who gets hired and who doesn't. And aside from explicit quotas, there is also social pressure to hire women and minorities, as well as female gender nepotism, all leading to "we need a woman for this position," or "we need more women in X field." Men would also display gender nepotism if they were allowed to, but that gets nipped in the bud PDQ, just like anything else the regressive intolerants don't want.

    The beauty of affirmative action is that those who benefit from it are never told that they were hired because of AA. Due to solipsism, they just naturally assume they were qualified in the first place.

    Thank God I left the USA years ago. There is nothing worth saving there anymore. Good luck with your civilization guys. I'll be rooting from you from afar.

    Leaving the U.S. is far easier said than done. You have to somehow support yourself, and the options for doing so are scarce.

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    With the internet, the options for doing so are actually much more numerous than they were...like...ever.
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  221. Ben Frank says:

    Statists are the main beneficiaries, as they were of Communism in Russia or Socialism in Venezuela.

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  222. Marty T says:

    Affirmative action in college is probably the least offensive affirmative action. Harvard’s stats show the average black student SAT is roughly the same as the average athlete SAT. The vast majority of the athletes are white; hockey players at any Ivy will be dumber on average than black students.

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    But the opportunity cost is massive.

    Ironically enough most acutely for Harvard itself.
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  223. res says:
    @anon

    Is something radically wrong with African-American culture?
     
    Yes.

    Rap/HipHop culture is toxic.

    It is some combination of genes/culture. I'd go 70/30. The default 50/50 doesn't seem to explain enough deviance.

    The thing is -- if you already have a SD handicap, why embrace a culture that is at least one SD less useful than default/generic American culture?

    This has been pointed out repeatedly by Black Celebs. Cosby (see Pound Cake Speech), Honorary Black Bill Clinton, Jesse Jackson, &c.

    This has been pointed out repeatedly by Black Celebs. Cosby (see Pound Cake Speech), Honorary Black Bill Clinton, Jesse Jackson, &c.

    Has anyone like that pointed it out recently?

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  224. @The Last Real Calvinist
    A question for you, Jack. Daughter C has starting looking at colleges and universities in the USA. The U of C sent a rep to her school this month to do an info seminar. DC is a very good student, so she might have a shot at admission, and she liked the U of C attitude toward serious academics and less PC BS than many other top universities.

    But her mother and I are concerned about U of C's neighborhood. I visited there when looking at grad schools in the late 80s, and it was a pretty sobering scene. I've never been back there since.

    What's day-to-day life at U of C like for current students -- maybe especially for those beautiful freshman coeds you've mentioned?

    “Where fun goes to die.”

    In 2014, a University of Chicago student died in his single occupancy dorm room. It took eight days for his body to be found.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-autopsy-u-of-c-student-died-of-alcohol-poisoning-20140414-story.html

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    That is not comforting, but thanks for passing along the link.
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  225. res says:
    @Stealth
    You sure that wasn't a rock fight?

    Have you ever been in a serious snowball fight? They can be pretty hard. Especially if you either fill them with rocks or let them freeze overnight. Not that I would ever do such a thing…

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  226. res says:
    @dr kill
    I attended a Big Ten school undergrad ('76) and an Ivy League professional school('85) . In my opinion the difference in education was not worth the 400% difference in price. I don't know where LWoods found so many stupid students, but not in my undergrad classes. Could be different now than it was 35 years ago.

    What about the prestige and connections differences?

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  227. Jack D says:
    @George
    NASCAR rules discriminate against women and the efficiently sized.

    Danica Patrick forced to drive with a 40lb weight, to simulate a child and child seat, to make it fair for overweight hairy people like Tony Stewart.

    http://www.espn.com/racing/nascar/cup/story/_/id/8967000/daytona-500-danica-patrick-body-weight-not-plus-driver-seat

    That's right NASCAR 'heroes' would all be women, midgets, and dwarves were it not for rules to make competition 'fair' for the needlessly large.

    Shades of Harrison Bergeron!

    They figured this out in horse racing maybe 200 years ago, except that they did settle on having all the (horse) drivers be midgets.

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  228. @Veracitor
    Although everyone likes to obsess over Harvard and the other Ivies, affirmative-action does a lot more harm at the next tier of "selective" schools. Harvard admits only a few students each year and readily fills its black quota from the small cohort of highly-qualified blacks which emerge from high school (or apply internationally) each year. The other Ivies vacuum up the rest of those blacks. But there are approximately no highly-intelligent blacks left for the other selective schools! Those take whatever blacks they can get since they must fill their quotas, but the gap between white/asian and black qualifications at the selective schools is much wider. (The latino quota situation is analogous but not so stark because there are more smart latinos.) (Pomona College isn't an Ivy, but it is desperately devoted to a large black admissions quota. That is why it was willing to go all the way to Africa to get an attractive black.)

    The purposes of affirmative action are as follows: (1) to boost the self-esteem and bragging rights of those who administer AA (are they not noble?); (2) to remove potential revolutionary leaders from the black (or other racial/ethnic) community (they're a lot less dangerous in some diversity-bureaucrat sinecure than they would be leading a gang); (3) to create a class of very loyal supporters of the current establishment (affirmative-action recipients know how much they are resented by the better-qualified people whose places they usurp by affirmative action; the very livelihoods of affirmative-action recipients depend on their support for the current folks at the top); (4) to reduce competition for the legacies and other remaining non-affirmative-action admits (it's a mad scramble near the top. If you can push a few folks (say, ten to twenty percent of the contenders?) to the curb early, that just helps you forever more).

    (Pomona College isn’t an Ivy, but it is desperately devoted to a large black admissions quota. That is why it was willing to go all the way to Africa to get an attractive black.)

    Pomona College found Elvis the Kenyan in Georgia. He is in the United States illegally.

    Although everyone likes to obsess over Harvard and the other Ivies, affirmative-action does a lot more harm at the next tier of “selective” schools.

    I don’t agree. Due to miscegenation and immigration, today’s black students at selective schools are much more academically prepared for college than those just 20 years ago. Most blacks at selective colleges seem happy to earn degrees in less taxing majors so there isn’t much problem with graduating.

    Blacks who want to major in STEM do suffer because their science and math background is usually quite behind their white and Asian classmates at selective colleges. Tragically the smartest blacks in the country end up dropping out of STEM, whereas if they had gone to a less selective college, they would graduated with a STEM degree. A study showed that a third of black women and half of black men at Duke University wound up changing their majors from STEM.

    The real carnage for black students is bottom tier schools, most HBCUs, community colleges, and for-profit colleges. These place accept people who have no business in college. Most students end up dropping out and in debt. The less a student borrows for college, the more likely they are to default on their loan.

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    I meant harm to people whose rightful places are given to affirmative-action recipients.

    (I know about 'mismatch' and would be happy to cure it by abolishing AA.)

    As for the Kenyan, thanks for the update. I am sure Pomona's admins got a nearly-orgasmic thrill from subsidizing an illegal alien. After all, they compete with UC for those but UC gets mainly Mexicans and black illegals are much spiffier. Think of the intersectionality and transgressivity points! Now if they could just persuade him to become a transwoman they could dine out on that for months.
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  229. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Yeah, I remember the O'Connor opinion. It blew my mind. The most openly elitist thing that I had ever read. Her opinion boiled down to this:

    1. The kids at the very top universities will someday be our leaders. (I mean, just look around me here at the Supreme Court. See anyone who went to State U.)

    2. These elite kids will rule over a diverse land with a large percentage of blacks and Hispanics.

    3. These kids grow up in wealthy suburbs, go to either prep schools or very nice public schools, i.e. they aren't exposed to minorities growing up. After college/grad school/law school, they get very good jobs and live in neighborhoods with very few minorities and interact with other white Masters of the Universe types like them. Then, these kids climb the ladder and move back to their swank suburbs, again missing out on the joys of diversity throughout their lives.

    4. As a result, society has one opportunity to get these elite kids around minorities in any numbers: College.

    5. Therefore, to properly prepare these elite kids to rule this diverse country, we must allow AA (knowing, of course, that "allowing" means that it will happen because the universities are fanatical about imposing racial quotas) to expose these elite kids to some minorities so they can better rule over them and non-elite whites.

    That was her reasoning: Can't someone think of the elite children!

    It wasn't about past injustices. It wasn't about helping minorities. It was about making better rulers from the elite white class.

    Reagan was warned that Sandra was a squish, but he was determined to have a woman on the court. Because male oppression. Or something.

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  230. Marty T says:
    @James Braxton
    As a white, small town, flyover boy who went to an elite east coast college, I can tell you that I don't recommend it.

    It's not a lot of fun to be surrounded by people with whom you have nothing in common but an SAT score.

    In hindsight, I would much rather have gone to a state school and let my parents keep their life savings.

    I’d rather see smart white flyover kids go to local schools as well. Those that go to Ivies will be brainwashed into the leftist culture (like Bill Clinton was). They may be better off, and happier, going to Iowa or Purdue or Wisconsin for free, enjoying college sports, meeting and marrying a fellow Midwesterner, rather than becoming an investment banker.

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  231. @Captain Tripps
    I think you may be slightly missing the point Wolfe was trying to make. If humans were to be drafted into flying spacecraft, then they necessarily needed to override the ground segment if/when needed, because reaction times between ground and space are dependent on the speed of light, and there was no way that a ground controller could have the same 360-degree awareness that the guy in the spacecraft cockpit had, given the technology at the time.

    Ask Jim Lovell about is sometime. I'm pretty sure he'd tell you he, Ken Mattingly, and Fred Haise were the only ones capable of reestablishing control of the Apollo 13 command module after the oxygen tank exploded. The guys on the ground were still scratching their heads trying to figure out what happened as was flying-by-wire to regain control of the spacecraft.

    Same thing happened to Armstrong (and some other guy) in one of the Gemini launches. Their capsule somehow got to tumbling out of control and it was only Armstrong’s skill as a pilot that got it oriented with the heat shield down, else they would have burned up on re-entry. I remember this well because the network interrupted Batman and thousands of people complained.

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  232. Truth says:
    @L Woods
    You mean the system is actually just fine and anyone with any complaint about it is just a loser whose opinion is invalid? What an original hot take.

    I did not say that. I have my doubts about any American who moves to Guatemala or Thailand, and starts carping the problems in his home country.

    The only reason these fools can afford a relatively good life in these places, race-mixing and enjoying the beach is because they were blessed to have be brought up American.

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  233. Truth says:
    @L Woods
    Leaving the U.S. is far easier said than done. You have to somehow support yourself, and the options for doing so are scarce.

    With the internet, the options for doing so are actually much more numerous than they were…like…ever.

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    The options for one’s becoming a billionaire, curing cancer, and visiting Antarctica are also now more numerous than they ever have been: that doesn’t make these things likely or easy.
    , @L Woods
    If you or I can do it from the internet, so can a third world helot accustomed to a far more austere lifestyle.
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  234. I am sick of hearing about substandard academic performance by blacks–why isn’t anyone discussing what these ppl r doing in the workforce? Where are all these brilliant Ivy League blacks? All I see are the Holders, Obamas and Gateses. Where are the great writers, inventors etc? Bottom line: academic AA is preparing blacks for parasitism. Just ask the Obamas.

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  235. @AM

    Part of the reason race nationalism is not taken seriously is because WNs tend to be very left-wing in economic matters.
     
    Anyone else missing Tiny Duck? This is just not nearly as entertaining. It's like being trolled by the world's dullest economics professor.

    Anyone else missing Tiny Duck?

    No. His stuff was amusing at first, now it’s just retarded.

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  236. Marty T says:
    @AM

    The difference between what happened to Catholics and Jews is this – Poland is illustrative. Before WWII, Poland was 70% Catholic, 10% Jewish, 20% other (Ukr. Orthodox, etc.). The war killed around 3 million Catholics and 3 million Jews out of a total population of 30 million. So after the war, Poland was 100% Catholic, 0% Jewish. 3 million dead Polish Catholics was a grievous blow to the Catholics of Poland, 3 million dead Polish Jews was the end of their community.
     
    sigh

    You just not going to give up this victim status are you? Jews are not particular victims of anything and never have been.

    Catholicism managed to convert North Africa and most of the Middle East by about 700 AD.

    How many Catholics are there now? People take over lands and the previous cultures and ethnicities die. That's just how it is on planet earth.

    Meanwhile, for the first time in history, a people got given a land of out sympathy. Nobody is giving back Constantinople to Eastern Rite Catholics because Muslims felt bad about kidnapping Christian boys to run the Ottoman empire.

    Jews have found welcome in the US (sorry it wasn't perfect, it wasn't for Catholics either) and they have now a land of their own. At some point, it has to be enough.


    American elite institutions were (after the earliest days) no longer expressly Protestant institutions but supposedly secular in nature. Harvard certainly did not hesitate to take donations from Jewish alumni.
     
    Um..right,that's why they had all those churches and chapels. Most didn't become highly secular until our highly secular age. I went to a 2nd tier liberal arts school that actively had services well into the 1950's.

    And basically,after opening the doors and getting an education you're trying to imply it's terrible that Harvard took money from alumni. Where's that head space at? Is that an attempt to create a grudge out of thin air?

    Like I said, I'm not twitchy on this at all. We can keep going until I can convince you that there's nothing special about the Jewish experience other than the remarkable fact they still exist in 2017 as a distinct people.

    Half the world population of Jews was slaughtered during WW2. Your lack of understanding or empathy isn’t very “Christian”.

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    Totally missing the point.
    , @3g4me
    @233 Marty : "Half the world population of Jews was slaughtered during WW2. Your lack of understanding or empathy isn’t very “Christian”."

    60 million human souls died during WWII and its associated conflicts. 18 million died during WWI. About 8 million died all told during the 30 years' war. Historians used to doubt the Hittite people even existed because they vanished from history and the remnants of their civilization were buried.

    Human history is one of conflict and conquest and death. Get over your solipsism and self-pity. People kill for all sorts of reasons, religion and/or race have always been among them. YOU AREN'T SPECIAL.
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  237. @dr kill
    TL;DR

    Well then don’t frigging read it. Thank you though for taking time out of your busy day to share a little snark. It’s so rare now days.

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  238. Brutusale says:
    @Henry's Cat

    Upper-middle class women are the largest beneficiaries of A/A.
     
    I've heard the claim that white women are the major beneficiaries of AA on several occasions, usually by black males. But I've never seen a reasoned argument thereof. I've been inclined to interpret the notion simply as a misunderstanding of the reasons behind the rise of women in the workforce, but does it actually have some merit?

    The fact that all the government programs for contractors doing business with them have guidelines that read “woman/minority-owned” should answer your question.

    Given the look of companies I’ve been involved with over the years, it’s much easier (or more prudent) to install a figurehead mother/sister/wife than some minority.

    Tech actually created the paradigm when Lotus Development’s Mitch Kapor hired (then started sleeping with) the Original HR Lady, Frieda Klein, as virulent an SJW as ever lived. It’s how tech companies meet their diversity guidelines.

    I did business with Lotus 30 years ago, and spent time at the Cambridge headquarters and the North Reading, MA production campus. They were like two different companies, one with bearded white guys in cutoffs and the other with scowling harridans of many shades (including the spinster sister of a friend).

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    The fact that all the government programs for contractors doing business with them have guidelines that read “woman/minority-owned” should answer your question.
     
    Thanks. This is what I was getting at - the actual legal basis for A/A and whether it had explicit accounting for women. Still, given the proliferation of women in the economy in all Western countries, it's hard to determine its causative role.
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  239. Marty T says:
    @Forbes
    One of the black student leaders of the protests at the University of Missouri two years ago was the son of a Union Pacific Railroad executive, whose disclosed compensation was something like $8 million per year. The son appeared to be a professional grad student still hanging around campus, well past the usual matriculation time for his degree.

    Wouldn’t mind a wealth tax on that guy!

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  240. many posters are under the misplaced idea that blacks only receive a small preference at places like Harvard. They are wrong. Preferences are HUGE. Here’s an insider’s look at this issue: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/418530/what-ivy-league-affirmative-action-really-looks-inside-david-french

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  241. Veracitor says:
    @Triumph104

    (Pomona College isn’t an Ivy, but it is desperately devoted to a large black admissions quota. That is why it was willing to go all the way to Africa to get an attractive black.)
     
    Pomona College found Elvis the Kenyan in Georgia. He is in the United States illegally.

    Although everyone likes to obsess over Harvard and the other Ivies, affirmative-action does a lot more harm at the next tier of “selective” schools.
     
    I don't agree. Due to miscegenation and immigration, today's black students at selective schools are much more academically prepared for college than those just 20 years ago. Most blacks at selective colleges seem happy to earn degrees in less taxing majors so there isn't much problem with graduating.

    Blacks who want to major in STEM do suffer because their science and math background is usually quite behind their white and Asian classmates at selective colleges. Tragically the smartest blacks in the country end up dropping out of STEM, whereas if they had gone to a less selective college, they would graduated with a STEM degree. A study showed that a third of black women and half of black men at Duke University wound up changing their majors from STEM.

    The real carnage for black students is bottom tier schools, most HBCUs, community colleges, and for-profit colleges. These place accept people who have no business in college. Most students end up dropping out and in debt. The less a student borrows for college, the more likely they are to default on their loan.

    I meant harm to people whose rightful places are given to affirmative-action recipients.

    (I know about ‘mismatch’ and would be happy to cure it by abolishing AA.)

    As for the Kenyan, thanks for the update. I am sure Pomona’s admins got a nearly-orgasmic thrill from subsidizing an illegal alien. After all, they compete with UC for those but UC gets mainly Mexicans and black illegals are much spiffier. Think of the intersectionality and transgressivity points! Now if they could just persuade him to become a transwoman they could dine out on that for months.

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  242. @Marty T
    Half the world population of Jews was slaughtered during WW2. Your lack of understanding or empathy isn't very "Christian".

    Totally missing the point.

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  243. @Truth
    With the internet, the options for doing so are actually much more numerous than they were...like...ever.

    The options for one’s becoming a billionaire, curing cancer, and visiting Antarctica are also now more numerous than they ever have been: that doesn’t make these things likely or easy.

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  244. L Woods says:
    @Truth
    With the internet, the options for doing so are actually much more numerous than they were...like...ever.

    If you or I can do it from the internet, so can a third world helot accustomed to a far more austere lifestyle.

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  245. Jack D says:
    @AM

    The difference between what happened to Catholics and Jews is this – Poland is illustrative. Before WWII, Poland was 70% Catholic, 10% Jewish, 20% other (Ukr. Orthodox, etc.). The war killed around 3 million Catholics and 3 million Jews out of a total population of 30 million. So after the war, Poland was 100% Catholic, 0% Jewish. 3 million dead Polish Catholics was a grievous blow to the Catholics of Poland, 3 million dead Polish Jews was the end of their community.
     
    sigh

    You just not going to give up this victim status are you? Jews are not particular victims of anything and never have been.

    Catholicism managed to convert North Africa and most of the Middle East by about 700 AD.

    How many Catholics are there now? People take over lands and the previous cultures and ethnicities die. That's just how it is on planet earth.

    Meanwhile, for the first time in history, a people got given a land of out sympathy. Nobody is giving back Constantinople to Eastern Rite Catholics because Muslims felt bad about kidnapping Christian boys to run the Ottoman empire.

    Jews have found welcome in the US (sorry it wasn't perfect, it wasn't for Catholics either) and they have now a land of their own. At some point, it has to be enough.


    American elite institutions were (after the earliest days) no longer expressly Protestant institutions but supposedly secular in nature. Harvard certainly did not hesitate to take donations from Jewish alumni.
     
    Um..right,that's why they had all those churches and chapels. Most didn't become highly secular until our highly secular age. I went to a 2nd tier liberal arts school that actively had services well into the 1950's.

    And basically,after opening the doors and getting an education you're trying to imply it's terrible that Harvard took money from alumni. Where's that head space at? Is that an attempt to create a grudge out of thin air?

    Like I said, I'm not twitchy on this at all. We can keep going until I can convince you that there's nothing special about the Jewish experience other than the remarkable fact they still exist in 2017 as a distinct people.

    I’m obviously not going to convince you. There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See. You obviously have your own reasons for wanting to trivialize this – I don’t know what they are, but they are yours and your alone. All respectable historians (and not just leftists) understand that the Holocaust was a uniquely terrible event in European history.

    Read this – maybe it will get thru:

    http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/ecumenical-and-interreligious/jewish/upload/Catholic-Teaching-on-the-Shoah-Implementing-the-Holy-See-s-We-Remember-2001.pdf

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  246. @anon
    UofC? It's unofficial motto used to be, "Where Fun Goes to Die". They did a lot of urban renewal after WW 2 and the Hyde Park is pretty isolated from any other neighborhoods. I know that was the idea, but for a school its size, there seems to be a remarkable lack of restaurants and bars and commercial student hangouts. I used to go the the Oriental Institute on occasion and it is odd driving around. It's all one way streets and passive obstructions that hinder anyone passing through.

    I can compare it to Yale -- which is also cut off from the city (a positive) but has a lot more stuff. I also used to work close to Hopkins (Homewood Campus) which is cut off but close to Roland Park (wealthy neighborhood) and there are a lot of second tier sorts of urban colleges to the North, all the way to Towson State. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_Baltimore The result being that there are places that cater to their tastes.

    In Chicago, DePaul is located in Lincoln Park and there is more than enough everything. It is like the sort of urban neighborhood that graduates with their first job would live (although too gentrified for urban creative types).

    There is an express bus from UofC to the Loop and they try to make it easy. But it is a bit of an island. The University has all the University Stuff to the max, and that fills up most of an Undergrad's time. If she likes the students and the vibe, then I encourage her. The few undergrads I have met seemed great.

    Thanks much for this; it’s very helpful.

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  247. @Jack D
    I'm more familiar with the U. of P. which is in a similar area but both are generally safe for undergrads who live on campus (you do have to exercise some common sense and not go jogging alone at 3AM). The dorms themselves have pretty good security. There is an extensive campus police force supplemented by unarmed security guards, cameras, etc. Street crime is now from the crack epidemic days. Blacks have figured out that you fare much worse in the court system if you are caught mugging someone who reminds the judge of his granddaughter so they mostly stick to their own kind. Some minor risk from getting caught in crossfire from vibrant disputes but not much. Colleges in urban areas have figured out that even 1 highly publicized murder of a student costs them dearly so they have spent a LOT of $ on security.

    Colleges are required to file crime reports which you can find if you dig around. Lots and lots of stolen laptops, wallets, iphones and bikes (tell your girl never to leave her laptop or bag unattended even for a minute and to get a good U-lock if she gets a bike) but very little violent crime. Campus cops spend a lot of time dealing with alcohol overdoses by students. Girls nowadays think that they can drink like guys but intoxication is proportionate to body weight. On the whole, nothing to worry about.

    https://incidentreports.uchicago.edu/

    Thanks very much. I’ve checked out some of the incident reports. It’s not exactly comforting reading, but at least it does seem the university is trying to be transparent about the problem

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  248. @Triumph104
    "Where fun goes to die."

    In 2014, a University of Chicago student died in his single occupancy dorm room. It took eight days for his body to be found.


    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-autopsy-u-of-c-student-died-of-alcohol-poisoning-20140414-story.html

    That is not comforting, but thanks for passing along the link.

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  249. 3g4me says:
    @Marty T
    Half the world population of Jews was slaughtered during WW2. Your lack of understanding or empathy isn't very "Christian".

    @233 Marty : “Half the world population of Jews was slaughtered during WW2. Your lack of understanding or empathy isn’t very “Christian”.”

    60 million human souls died during WWII and its associated conflicts. 18 million died during WWI. About 8 million died all told during the 30 years’ war. Historians used to doubt the Hittite people even existed because they vanished from history and the remnants of their civilization were buried.

    Human history is one of conflict and conquest and death. Get over your solipsism and self-pity. People kill for all sorts of reasons, religion and/or race have always been among them. YOU AREN’T SPECIAL.

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  250. Hibernian says:
    @L Woods
    I'd counter that by noting, as someone who grossly under-reached by attending the local State U, the difficulty of relating to people starkly less intelligent and worldly than you are (a low bar to clear at a place like that). Not to mention the obvious utility of carrying an elite credential for life.

    At Iowa State in the “70s, many were intelligent (not all) but few were worldly.

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  251. Speaking of Obama and his background, I saw this in an article describing the hostility in Chicago among blacks regarding his Presidential Library:

    At a community forum Wednesday night, a discussion about the proposed agreement morphed into a shouting match over whether Obama actually loves black people. One man in the audience yelled, “No,” while others said he wasn’t necessarily “their brother.”

    Hip-hop artist and community activist Che “Rhymefest” Smith tried to defend the president — but only to a point.

    “I’m not saying he understands everything … I believe the brother is reasonable,” Smith said. “When you marry a black woman and have black children … she is going to talk to her man and say we have got to do something.”

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/glanton/ct-obama-community-dahleen-glanton-met-20170921-column.html

    Sounds like being half African elite and half white is less than the price of admission in Chicago.

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  252. Hibernian says:
    @AM

    I don’t know what the alternative Judenrein history of the US would look like.
     
    LOL - It's a bit uncomfortable when the victim card gets turned upside down, isn't it?

    I get what you wanted to convey that it was the terrible those mean old WASPs discriminated against Jews and that caused the problems in modern academia.

    But at one point, a real WASP university wouldn't have let anyone in but Protestants. Catholics were decidedly on their own. That they were letting in any Jews at all, and just putting caps on it is a testament to their overall open mindness and lack of tribalism on the point. I guess by your thinking it would have been just better to make sure everyone at the university was Methodist or Episcopalian or whatever, just like a 100 years earlier?

    I mean gheesh, I don't want to get in, but as a female Catholic I'm sure there are Jewish schools I just couldn't attend. That's life. If the Ivies were such a big deal, Jews were and are plenty smart enough to start their own schools, which blacks did, along with Catholics.

    Generally speaking, every Jewish victim event in history involving whites or Protestants has parallel to Catholics, including the Holocaust, which killed as many or more Christians as Jews. That's why I'm not real flinchy on the point.

    “But at one point, a real WASP university wouldn’t have let anyone in but Protestants. Catholics were decidedly on their own.”

    Up until the 1960s Catholics were expected by the Catholic Church to go to Catholic schools. That didn’t mean it always happened that way. Exceptions included the Kennedys, Bill Buckley, and F. Scott Fitzgerald, all Ivy Leaguers.

    The modern University of Chicago, founded in 1890, (There was a previous one which burned down and went bankrupt.) included handfuls of Catholic, Jewish, and women students in its initial class.

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    The late 19th century had a big trend of non-sectarian universities in the U.S.

    Not only the state universities especially after the 1862 Land Grant act, but also a whole wave of late-19th century foundations on the German research university model, not only Chicago (which was nominally Baptist) but Stanford (1885), Johns Hopkins (1876) and Cornell (1865) were all determinedly nonsectarian.

    I think it was at the Colonial colleges i.e. basically the Ivy League, with their history of training ministers evolving into the WASP establishment, where the tension was most acute.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_colleges

    The Ivy League tension with and adaptation to Gilded Age America was not only about the ministerial/WASP establishment and about the mass non-Protestant immigration of the era. When Harvard and Yale added modern science to their curricula, it was initially segregated off from the main Colleges which taught theology and classics, in separate "Scientific Schools."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheffield_Scientific_School
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_John_A._Paulson_School_of_Engineering_and_Applied_Sciences#History

    In the past decade, Harvard and Yale have been spending billions to catch up in engineering, to not be permanently left behind by Stanford and MIT.
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  253. Hibernian says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Let's see, Trump is part German and part Scots. That's about as WASPY as one can get (aside from being 100% English).

    Stop with the leg pulling. It does tend to tickle a bit.

    He grew up in Queens. A WASP Rodney Dangerfield. I’ve seen the same phenonenon in Chicago.

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  254. @Jack D
    Kenya being in E. Africa the slaves that the Luo captured would have been destined for the Arab world and not for the New World. The Arab world was (like much of S. America) a population sink for black slaves - the men were mostly castrated and both sexes died of disease or did not live long enough to reproduce so they kept on having to import more generation after generation for centuries. Only in N. America did a few hundred thousand black slaves grow to tens of millions.

    It’s almost as if the temperate climate and – even more importantly, since it can hardly be argued Africans are unsuited to tropical, hot environments – the altruism and concern of northwestern Europeans, even for their slaves, along with a general penchant for organising safe, healthy, efficient societies, is nonpariel in all the world. That cannot be true, though, because it’s a settled fact that they in fact create violent, oppressive societies more horrible than any other, which is why no one, anywhere else in the world, wants to leave his own society to join those created and maintained by northwestern Europeans.

    Or something.

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  255. @Brutusale
    The fact that all the government programs for contractors doing business with them have guidelines that read "woman/minority-owned" should answer your question.

    Given the look of companies I've been involved with over the years, it's much easier (or more prudent) to install a figurehead mother/sister/wife than some minority.

    Tech actually created the paradigm when Lotus Development's Mitch Kapor hired (then started sleeping with) the Original HR Lady, Frieda Klein, as virulent an SJW as ever lived. It's how tech companies meet their diversity guidelines.

    I did business with Lotus 30 years ago, and spent time at the Cambridge headquarters and the North Reading, MA production campus. They were like two different companies, one with bearded white guys in cutoffs and the other with scowling harridans of many shades (including the spinster sister of a friend).

    The fact that all the government programs for contractors doing business with them have guidelines that read “woman/minority-owned” should answer your question.

    Thanks. This is what I was getting at – the actual legal basis for A/A and whether it had explicit accounting for women. Still, given the proliferation of women in the economy in all Western countries, it’s hard to determine its causative role.

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    HC, I'm guessing a clearly identifiable combo package of "gamed" affirmative action in the States, somewhat lower wages and salaries, feminist literature promoting personal fulfillment by entering the work force, etc., have made White women, whether American or European, slightly preferred to White or Black men as job candidates. Just a guess.

    I don't have a clue what very large numbers of women in the work force means regarding marriage and family prospects for young men, outright displacement of men in the work force, family stability, disruption of traditional sexual division of labor, income equality, and the like. I have hunches, but not more than that. We had a local divorce lawyer who noted years ago his practice skyrocketed after several high-wage auto and auto-related plants hired women en masse in theearly 1970s.
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  256. ogunsiron says:
    @poolside
    It's anecdotal, I know, but a few years back my family knew a very nice young Nigerian girl who was very "white" culturally while in high school.

    After a couple of years in college (highly recruited, of course), she fell into the whole oppressed minority, Black Lives Matter cult.

    After graduation, she wound up with a fantastic job with one of those large companies that is constantly touting its diversity. But she is probably still oppressed.

    I knew a light skinned haitian girl in high school who was extremely white acting.
    Liked indie rock only. Dated vikings only. She was very, very much an oreo.

    I was very, very surprised to read an article of hers a few years later in which she claimed that her “blackness” had made her a stranger at (big ivy league school where she got in because of AA). She had become a jounalist and had concocted a “conscious black woman” backstory.

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  257. @Marty T
    Affirmative action in college is probably the least offensive affirmative action. Harvard's stats show the average black student SAT is roughly the same as the average athlete SAT. The vast majority of the athletes are white; hockey players at any Ivy will be dumber on average than black students.

    I have much more of a problem with affirmative action in grad school or federal contracting.

    But the opportunity cost is massive.

    Ironically enough most acutely for Harvard itself.

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  258. JackOH says:
    @Henry's Cat

    The fact that all the government programs for contractors doing business with them have guidelines that read “woman/minority-owned” should answer your question.
     
    Thanks. This is what I was getting at - the actual legal basis for A/A and whether it had explicit accounting for women. Still, given the proliferation of women in the economy in all Western countries, it's hard to determine its causative role.

    HC, I’m guessing a clearly identifiable combo package of “gamed” affirmative action in the States, somewhat lower wages and salaries, feminist literature promoting personal fulfillment by entering the work force, etc., have made White women, whether American or European, slightly preferred to White or Black men as job candidates. Just a guess.

    I don’t have a clue what very large numbers of women in the work force means regarding marriage and family prospects for young men, outright displacement of men in the work force, family stability, disruption of traditional sexual division of labor, income equality, and the like. I have hunches, but not more than that. We had a local divorce lawyer who noted years ago his practice skyrocketed after several high-wage auto and auto-related plants hired women en masse in theearly 1970s.

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  259. Brutusale says:
    @Jack D
    I'm obviously not going to convince you. There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See. You obviously have your own reasons for wanting to trivialize this - I don't know what they are, but they are yours and your alone. All respectable historians (and not just leftists) understand that the Holocaust was a uniquely terrible event in European history.

    Read this - maybe it will get thru:

    http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/ecumenical-and-interreligious/jewish/upload/Catholic-Teaching-on-the-Shoah-Implementing-the-Holy-See-s-We-Remember-2001.pdf

    I guess that’s an improvement over the old Irish nuns I had in grade school pushing the “Jews as Christ killers” line.

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    AM must have had those nuns.
    , @Anon
    What order were they? They should be better instructed.

    The proper line is "Jews as Christ Rejecters".

    , @Hibernian
    None of that in my Catholic school career beginning in 1960. Closest was a lay woman Protestant convert (by marriage) 4th grade teacher who one day said, "They're still looking for the Messiah. Don't they realize He already came?" and a nun, the principal, in 8th grade who after having taught "The Diary of Anne Frank" then, while teaching, "A Raisin in the Sun" (it was one kid's book report topic) one day said, "All Jews are rich."
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  260. benjaminl says:
    @Hibernian
    "But at one point, a real WASP university wouldn’t have let anyone in but Protestants. Catholics were decidedly on their own."

    Up until the 1960s Catholics were expected by the Catholic Church to go to Catholic schools. That didn't mean it always happened that way. Exceptions included the Kennedys, Bill Buckley, and F. Scott Fitzgerald, all Ivy Leaguers.

    The modern University of Chicago, founded in 1890, (There was a previous one which burned down and went bankrupt.) included handfuls of Catholic, Jewish, and women students in its initial class.

    The late 19th century had a big trend of non-sectarian universities in the U.S.

    Not only the state universities especially after the 1862 Land Grant act, but also a whole wave of late-19th century foundations on the German research university model, not only Chicago (which was nominally Baptist) but Stanford (1885), Johns Hopkins (1876) and Cornell (1865) were all determinedly nonsectarian.

    I think it was at the Colonial colleges i.e. basically the Ivy League, with their history of training ministers evolving into the WASP establishment, where the tension was most acute.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_colleges

    The Ivy League tension with and adaptation to Gilded Age America was not only about the ministerial/WASP establishment and about the mass non-Protestant immigration of the era. When Harvard and Yale added modern science to their curricula, it was initially segregated off from the main Colleges which taught theology and classics, in separate “Scientific Schools.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheffield_Scientific_School

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_John_A._Paulson_School_of_Engineering_and_Applied_Sciences#History

    In the past decade, Harvard and Yale have been spending billions to catch up in engineering, to not be permanently left behind by Stanford and MIT.

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  262. eah says:

    The woman who wrote this attended Princeton and appears to be Nigerian:

    How whiteness and heterosexuality shape women’s sense of belonging in rugby

    This article considers how race and sexuality mutually inform the ways women experience their sense of belonging in sport. An examination of how white and heterosexual privilege structure belonging for 15 women rugby players in the sport finds that the ways in which some players assert their belonging runs the risk of reifying oppressive norms associated with heterosexual femininity and white privilege. This analysis provides a nuanced understanding of how individual women may rely on certain structures of domination to take up space in sport in ways that rely on and reproduce inequality. Although women rugby players may challenge norms of (white) heterosexual femininity, they experience these norms as mediated through their particular social locations. As a result, how women rugby players take up space in sport may be complicated by their specific relationship to social constructions of gender, sexuality, and race.

    You can be very sure an intelligent Asian or White was not admitted to make room for her.

    Seen here.

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    I don't think she's lacking in intelligence (or literaccy skills.) Just common sense.
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  263. Jack D says:
    @Brutusale
    I guess that's an improvement over the old Irish nuns I had in grade school pushing the "Jews as Christ killers" line.

    AM must have had those nuns.

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    Christians were 19% of Turkey's population in 1914. They are 0.2% today.
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  264. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Brutusale
    I guess that's an improvement over the old Irish nuns I had in grade school pushing the "Jews as Christ killers" line.

    What order were they? They should be better instructed.

    The proper line is “Jews as Christ Rejecters“.

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    As I see this is still in the moderation queue: Mr. Sailer, the above is a joke. You need not print it, of course, but if you do perhaps printing this rider would be helpful as well.


    @JackD: If AM actually thought the above her argument would be that their sufferings were deserved, not that their experience has been that of more than one middleman minority.
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  265. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jack D
    AM must have had those nuns.

    Christians were 19% of Turkey’s population in 1914. They are 0.2% today.

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  266. Neoconned says:
    @theo the kraut
    > Gun control is all about disarming Whites so Blacks can abuse them at will.

    That's pretty much the opposite of what Steve says, gun control being a tool to protect (urban liberal!) whites from blacks. There's a huge liberal animus against their flyover country cousins, no doubt, but it's not so clear cut I guess.

    The implication was that whites are normally law abiding so will cave in naturally for cultural reasons while black thugs with their “devil may care” attitudes will get guns regardless of what the law says….

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  267. Flip says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    A question for you, Jack. Daughter C has starting looking at colleges and universities in the USA. The U of C sent a rep to her school this month to do an info seminar. DC is a very good student, so she might have a shot at admission, and she liked the U of C attitude toward serious academics and less PC BS than many other top universities.

    But her mother and I are concerned about U of C's neighborhood. I visited there when looking at grad schools in the late 80s, and it was a pretty sobering scene. I've never been back there since.

    What's day-to-day life at U of C like for current students -- maybe especially for those beautiful freshman coeds you've mentioned?

    It is safe enough and there are more amenities than there used to be. It is sort of an island but it is easy enough to get around by public transportation or Uber.

    Going to college in Chicago is pretty fun, I think.

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  268. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    What order were they? They should be better instructed.

    The proper line is "Jews as Christ Rejecters".

    As I see this is still in the moderation queue: Mr. Sailer, the above is a joke. You need not print it, of course, but if you do perhaps printing this rider would be helpful as well.

    @JackD: If AM actually thought the above her argument would be that their sufferings were deserved, not that their experience has been that of more than one middleman minority.

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  269. “who are the high-potential high school students who don’t think about applying to, say, Stanford or Harvard. …
    These ignored students tend to be … typically, white boys in flyover states. The most disregarded students today are the same kind of people who got us to the moon in 1969.”

    If there is some secretive billionaire out there, this is the neglected resource that can change history. These despised, forgotten young men are the ones whose cognitive capacity can literally put us on the moon!

    What we need is like an American Kingsman, only slightly less violent.

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  270. @The Last Real Calvinist
    A question for you, Jack. Daughter C has starting looking at colleges and universities in the USA. The U of C sent a rep to her school this month to do an info seminar. DC is a very good student, so she might have a shot at admission, and she liked the U of C attitude toward serious academics and less PC BS than many other top universities.

    But her mother and I are concerned about U of C's neighborhood. I visited there when looking at grad schools in the late 80s, and it was a pretty sobering scene. I've never been back there since.

    What's day-to-day life at U of C like for current students -- maybe especially for those beautiful freshman coeds you've mentioned?

    Mostly agree with previous commenters, but the risk is somewhat higher for young women vs. young men. There are distinct borders to the neighborhood, though they are not shown on any map (basically the 61st St., Cottage Grove and 47th St., but it’s best to keep a block or so buffer additionally.) The beauty and apparent freedom of the lakefront tends lure the adventurous beyond these borders, sometimes with bad results, especially for young women if you get my drift.

    It’s urban. If one doesn’t or can’t understand what that two word sentence means, then maybe best to look elsewhere.

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  271. Hibernian says:
    @Brutusale
    I guess that's an improvement over the old Irish nuns I had in grade school pushing the "Jews as Christ killers" line.

    None of that in my Catholic school career beginning in 1960. Closest was a lay woman Protestant convert (by marriage) 4th grade teacher who one day said, “They’re still looking for the Messiah. Don’t they realize He already came?” and a nun, the principal, in 8th grade who after having taught “The Diary of Anne Frank” then, while teaching, “A Raisin in the Sun” (it was one kid’s book report topic) one day said, “All Jews are rich.”

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  272. Hibernian says:
    @eah
    The woman who wrote this attended Princeton and appears to be Nigerian:

    How whiteness and heterosexuality shape women’s sense of belonging in rugby

    This article considers how race and sexuality mutually inform the ways women experience their sense of belonging in sport. An examination of how white and heterosexual privilege structure belonging for 15 women rugby players in the sport finds that the ways in which some players assert their belonging runs the risk of reifying oppressive norms associated with heterosexual femininity and white privilege. This analysis provides a nuanced understanding of how individual women may rely on certain structures of domination to take up space in sport in ways that rely on and reproduce inequality. Although women rugby players may challenge norms of (white) heterosexual femininity, they experience these norms as mediated through their particular social locations. As a result, how women rugby players take up space in sport may be complicated by their specific relationship to social constructions of gender, sexuality, and race.

    You can be very sure an intelligent Asian or White was not admitted to make room for her.

    Seen here.

    I don’t think she’s lacking in intelligence (or literaccy skills.) Just common sense.

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