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https://twitter.com/LibraryJournal/status/1118232615847329802

To be fair, this doesn’t appear to be an actual article in Library Journal, it’s a link to an individual’s blog post. But still …

SOFIA LEUNG
libraries. social justice. critical race theory.
WRITTEN BY SOFIA
APRIL 15, 2019
WHITENESS AS COLLECTIONS

… One of the mind-blowing things she shared was this idea of how our library collections, because they are written mostly by straight white men, are a physical manifestation of white men ideas taking up all the space in our library stacks. Pause here and think about this.

If you don’t already know, “whiteness as property,” is a seminal Critical Race Theory (CRT) concept first introduced by Cheryl I. Harris in her 1993 Harvard Law Review article by the same name. She writes, “slavery as a system of property facilitated the merger of white identity and property” (p. 1721) and the formation of whiteness as property required the erasure of Native peoples. Basically, white people want to stay being white because of the privilege and protection whiteness affords under the law that they created. Harris also makes this really good point, “whiteness and property share a common premise — a conceptual nucleus — of a right to exclude” (1714). Bam! That really hits it on the head.

As I’m collaborating on this book about CRT in Library and Information Studies (LIS), I’ve been having lots of discussions on these topics with some really smart folx.

Is “folx” just text message spelling for “folks” or are there learned articles in Grievance Studies journals on how substituting “x” for “ks” drains the Implicit Whiteness out of the Naziish word “folks”? Will Volkswagen become officially Volxwagen in 2027?

… Listening to her talk about her ideas connected some dots for me and I made the final jump to whiteness as property as collections.

Let me now try to connect all these dots in a coherent way. As others have written (Fobazi Ettarh, Todd Honma, Gina Schlessman-Tarango, etc.), libraries and librarians have a long history of keeping People of Color out. They continue to do so, which you can read more about here and from the others I mentioned above. Legal and societal standards revolve around whiteness and libraries are no different.

If you look at any United States library’s collection, especially those in higher education institutions, most of the collections (books, journals, archival papers, other media, etc.) are written by white dudes writing about white ideas, white things, or ideas, people, and things they stole from POC and then claimed as white property with all of the “rights to use and enjoyment of” that Harris describes in her article. When most of our collections filled with this so-called “knowledge,” it continues to validate only white voices and perspectives and erases the voices of people of color. Collections are representations of what librarians (or faculty) deem to be authoritative knowledge and as we know, this field and educational institutions, historically, and currently, have been sites of whiteness.

Library collections continue to promote and proliferate whiteness with their very existence and the fact that they are physically taking up space in our libraries. They are paid for using money that was usually ill-gotten and at the cost of black and brown lives. …

I still have some thinking to do around this topic, but curious to hear what others think. I’m less interested in hearing that you don’t buy it, so don’t bother with those types of comments.

The full blog post is rather interesting for how much it exemplifies various trends, such as uniting the Coalition of the Fringes through hating whiteness, careerist back-scratching, and how SJWs seem to view their activism as mental health self-care … and yet these hate-based dogmas probably exacerbate their not insignificant illnesses.

Another point is that if you take this ideology of racist hate seriously, it seems pretty alarming. On the other hand, these are librarians talking … and librarians who appear to have some significant personality problems.

 
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  1. ” I’m less interested in hearing that you don’t buy it, so don’t bother with those types of comments. ”

    So brave; pretty soon these dumpy Asian broads are going to need their own coalition.

  2. I was at a higher ed workshop on transgenderism a week ago, and the basic message was “Ask what the pronouns are and use them. It’s very hurtful if you don’t.”

    We were warned that “you guys” is very hurtful, which prompted an attendee to ask if “y’all” is ok. One presenter said it’s relatively unproblematic but the other presenter urged us to be patient so the community can figure out how offensive that preposition turns out to be.

    The first presenter told us that “folx” is ok, but make sure to spell it with an “x.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The first presenter told us that “folx” is ok, but make sure to spell it with an “x.”

    Did he/she/they explain why?

    When Obama said "folks" all the time, was he doing it to be "folksy" or "folxy"?

    , @ThreeCranes
    Thirty years ago, in response to feminist rejection of words like "spokesman", I, as a joke and spoof, came up with "woperdaughter" for a young woman. Little did I suspect that one day absurdities like that would become de rigueur.
    , @simple_pseudonymic_handle

    The first presenter told us that “folx” is ok, but make sure to spell it with an “x.”
     
    fux that schitz
    , @The Plutonium Kid
    That's really folked up.
    , @The Plutonium Kid
    That's really folked up.
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    so the community can figure out how offensive that preposition turns out to be.

    There is no "preposition" in the word "y'all". It is simply a 2nd person plural pronoun, although you can analyze it as a pronoun plus adjective.
  3. John Dewey did nothing wrong?

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    You’re thinking of Melville Dewey?
  4. Our new town library thankfully doesn’t have much space being taken up with library collections. Most of the space is taken by video collections, sculpture, meeting rooms, a lounge with a fireplace and floor to ceiling windows covering the entire west wall of the second story providing a panoramic view of the Pacific from Catalina Island to Point Mugu. They also loan out lap tops for web surfing on site.
    And a few books, but you have to look for them.

    Ms. Leung should approve. I particularly enjoyed her warning to not post any comments that disagree with her. It is a tribute to the intelligence, diligence, industriousness, adaptability and ambition of our Asian immigrants, how quickly they have figured out who the officially sanctioned punching bag is in our former civilization, and hopped right to it in order to advance themselves.
    If they had been allowed to emigrate to Germany in the ’30’s they would no doubt have made up 75% of the successful applicants for concentration camp staffing positions.

    • Replies: @dvorak

    If they had been allowed to emigrate to Germany in the ’30’s they would no doubt have made up 75% of the successful applicants for concentration camp staffing positions.
     
    These Chinese camp commandants would have said, "ovens? we don't need no stinking ovens!" and found a way to make one bullet fit three Jews, two Gypsies and one homosexual.
    , @Anon7
    “Our new town library thankfully doesn’t have much space being taken up with library collections.”

    This actually describes both of the most recently built “libraries” in my town. I used to support libraries, but I found out that they are now places for foreign parents to have their kids go after school (cheaper than daycare, and I’ll grant that most of the kids I see are well-behaved), plenty of Internet “workstations” used mostly for online casino gaming by out of work white people and the homeless) and people who teach foreign languages and English (no one needs to say “shhhh!” since no one is reading).

    “I particularly enjoyed her warning to not post any comments that disagree with her.”

    Well, the notion that one should listen to opposing or critical ideas is one of those stale, pale male ideas, isn’t it?

    I knew that Western Civ was being put out on the curb, but I didn’t expect to be put out with the rubbish myself. Live and learn.
  5. Acording to her blog, Ms. Leung is Chinese. Maybe, she’ll lead another Cultural Revolution and destroy all those white library collections.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Whatever happened to the : "Hey, hey! Thisis library!" type of Asian? We don't need more "deconstructing" of our Western culture.
    , @eah
    "model minority"

    I’m a second generation Chinese American...

    More importantly, as I said before when you have apparently relatively intelligent, well-educated, and successful 'model minorities' down-assimilating to the 'hate whitey' level, you know there's a problem.

    https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/1075140792765734912
    , @Bubba
    Ah, the good old days of the Mao Revolution - famines, genocide and rampant cannibalism.

    Ms. Leung is just carrying on the tradition of an unrepentant Red Guard mentality.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/05/16/my-uncle-was-a-red-guard-in-chinas-cultural-revolution-he-isnt-sorry/

    In a way, she is like Ilhan Omar - bringing the murderous ideologies from their native lands here to the heart of America.
  6. @ferd
    I was at a higher ed workshop on transgenderism a week ago, and the basic message was "Ask what the pronouns are and use them. It's very hurtful if you don't."

    We were warned that "you guys" is very hurtful, which prompted an attendee to ask if "y'all" is ok. One presenter said it's relatively unproblematic but the other presenter urged us to be patient so the community can figure out how offensive that preposition turns out to be.

    The first presenter told us that "folx" is ok, but make sure to spell it with an "x."

    The first presenter told us that “folx” is ok, but make sure to spell it with an “x.”

    Did he/she/they explain why?

    When Obama said “folks” all the time, was he doing it to be “folksy” or “folxy”?

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    Actually, Steve, 'folx' has come up here already in the discussion of your Taki article Different Hoax for different folks.

    I suggested that you follow the lead of SuperWoke Yale student Sohum Pal, who was already using 'folx' in stuff he posted way back in 2017.
    , @Mr McKenna

    When Obama said “folks” all the time, was he doing it to be “folksy” or “folxy”?
     
    The latter, I daresay. "Folxy Lady" was a Hendrix classic I believe.

    Goes with his classic "Where the White Women At" ruminations.

    , @theo the kraut
    That possibly spilled over from German leftie usage. Folx = good progressive vibrant folks.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volxkuche#English_spelling_and_pronunciation
    , @WowJustWow
    Obama was the last homophobic male in American history to win the presidency on the hateful platform of denying same-sex couples the right to marry. Why should the opinions of such an enemy of progress merit any consideration in the world of woke grammar?
    , @ferd
    Steve, He/Him (previously She/Her) said something like "that makes it acceptable," if I recall.

    The presenters were sharing some research regarding transgender student survey data. One of the respondents said their gender was "Androgynous/Genderfucky."

    I checked my notes and I actually tried to write down what the presenter said about "y'all." I wrote: "We think it's inclusive, but someday we'll learn in what ways it may be harmful."

    From the presentation:

    Recommendations surrounding pronouns
    • Pronouns are never preferred
    • When in doubt:
    – Ask: What are your pronouns?
    – Use gender neutral pronouns they/them/their
    • Do not assume someone’s pronouns just because of the way they are dressed
    • Asking for someone’s pronouns is encouraged, but respect their silence if they choose not to tell you
    • When someone tells you their pronouns, respect and use them

    and

    Student Quote
    I think it’s one of those things where if there were options on the forms to indicate that I was [transgender], it would have been cool. Also, it would not have been cool because then I probably would have been discriminated against for being [transgender] and then have no way to prove that - Ellery

  7. anonymous[386] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    What does World’s Wokest Librarian April Hathcock think?

    • Replies: @CCZ
    Things like this:

    We WOC/Native women are constantly having to present our creds before being given even the slightest time of day. Until we prove ourselves, we are poo on the bottom of your shoe. I get tired of that nonsense.

    Got my turn at the mic. Demonstrated my brilliance then and during Q&A. And as is always the damn case, I left with my fellow panelists tripping over themselves to defer to me and thank me and say it was nice to meet me (though I’d already met all before except one).

    1st white guy panelist: “I won’t talk about copyright bc [other white guy panelist] is the expert on that.” Um. Y’all. My black ass is literally here as THE copyright expert.

    https://twitter.com/AprilHathcock/status/1118312699513929728

  8. anonymous[342] • Disclaimer says:

    wwebd said: As for the last two lines:

    “… if you take this ideology of racist hate seriously, it seems pretty alarming. On the other hand, these are librarians talking … and librarians who seem to have some significant personality problems.”

    Usually when I read a couple of lines that are so good that I wish I had written them the author is someone like Proust or Joyce or Wodehouse.

    Not that Proust or Joyce, our most talented of their kind, were all that bright – neither of them really had a moral compass, and the simplest most charming reflections on the virtues of living life as God wants us to live it were mostly beyond them – but every once in a while they would say something that would make me almost envious of their talent, so dissimilar from mine.

    Almost, I said.

    Anyway this was a post for the ages, and all I can say, as an anti-racist, is thank you.

    “on the other hand, these are librarians talking”

  9. The Asian female SJW is such a sad creature. Because whatever passion she exudes has this air of trying too hard to fit in and assimilate. White female SJW’s come across as the real deal, driven by real passion for justice, however flawed.

    • Agree: Spangel
    • LOL: George Taylor
    • Replies: @White Guy In Japan
    Agreed. They are a mess.

    Possible factors:
    1. Tiger Mom is angry daughter didn't go into STEM.
    2. Asian guys not interested.
    3. Can't get a white guy (or got pumped and dumped by a few).
    , @Hail

    The Asian female SJW is such a sad creature
     
    Maybe in a cosmic sense.

    But in the current order they're "laughing all the way to the bank."

    It can't, alas, last.

    , @nebulafox
    Personally, I find South Asian SJWs the most disturbing. Most of them are physically fit and doing well in the modern economy as members of the new mandarinate: aka, not at all like their white or East Asian "True Believer" SJW counterparts. I suspect that if modern orthodoxy as defined by our elites was about hearth and home, they'd be loquaciously lecturing on that.

    It's like they are attempting to bring caste norms to America and put the modern untouchables in their place. What makes it particularly galling is that in terms of their own personal decisions, they are quite conservative: and as a result, successful. The preached medicine is visibly for the proles.

  10. I still have some thinking to do around this topic, but curious to hear what others think. I’m less interested in hearing that you don’t buy it, so don’t bother with those types of comments.

    Curiously, this fulfills quite aptly the property of a presumed “right to exclude.”

    Bam! That really hits it on the head.

  11. This is what you can expect the complete elimination of anything white. It’s part of the total elimination of Western Civilization also. I read Harris’ entire paper. It’s complete nonsense. Why didn’t she compare the Jewish ideas of property, usury in controlling society? Once again the the magic native Americans who took women as property and used them in exchange with other tribes. Why didn’t she examine Islam and the way they treated Black women as property. Took them as slaves and used them as whores and killed their offspring.

    Or better yet an examination of the slave trade in Africa by the wonderful blacks themselves where they captured other tribes and sold them. As Mohamed Ali said after his fight against George Foreman in Zaire when asked by sports reporters what he thought of his African brothers, “I’m glad my grand dad got on the boat.”

  12. Where is this author from? I’m guessing the majority of books in Chinese and Japanese libraries aren’t written by white people.

    Oppression is now the fact that the English language was created by a white nation and spoken by this white nation for a thousand years before other people spoke it. One would expect that most of the books in predominantly English language libraries would be written by whites if only because most of the words native English speakers were white until fairly recently.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    Your elaborate rationalizations will ring hollow before the Committee of Public Safety. Prepare your neck for the guillotine.
    , @Moses
    You will Crimestop your Crimethink if you know what's good for you.
  13. @JohnnyD
    Acording to her blog, Ms. Leung is Chinese. Maybe, she'll lead another Cultural Revolution and destroy all those white library collections.

    Whatever happened to the : “Hey, hey! Thisis library!” type of Asian? We don’t need more “deconstructing” of our Western culture.

    • Replies: @notanon
    promotion in SJW dominated arenas requires competing on the basis of wokeness.

    (it's why PC was always guaranteed to end up genocidal)

    , @Twinkie

    Whatever happened to the : “Hey, hey! Thisis library!” type of Asian? We don’t need more “deconstructing” of our Western culture.
     
    Still at the library, studying.

    Productive Asians - like productive people of any race - are busy living, not agitating for idiocy.
  14. When exactly did Asians become “people of color”? When I was growing up, only blacks were considered “colored” or later people of color. Is this just another way of grouping together wildly different types of people into a shared anti -white coalition?

    • Agree: Prodigal son
    • Replies: @notanon
    yes

    according to Solz the same thing happened in Russia - the Bolsheviks were for the most part a coalition of non-Russian minority groups who ganged up on the Russian majority.
    , @Smithsonian
    "When exactly did Asians become “people of color”?"

    When it was in their interest to do so.

    Meanwhile, my Asian in-laws have opinions about black people that would make Genghis Kahn blush.
    , @Hibernian
    During the Vietnam era some black activists spoke of the War as one in which black soldiers were at war with "fellow colored people."
    , @EastKekistani

    When exactly did Asians become “people of color”? When I was growing up, only blacks were considered “colored” or later people of color. Is this just another way of grouping together wildly different types of people into a shared anti -white coalition?
     
    Yep. We NE Asians are not some retarded people of color. That's a Negroid term to build a moronic anti-white coalition.
  15. I’ve wondered how long it would take the creeps to notice that libraries are full of naughty books.

    If a statue of Robert E. Lee, or some other dead white guy, can be deemed unfit for the public square, how long until their biographies suffer a similar fate at the public library?

    I hope I’m wrong.

    • Replies: @res

    I’ve wondered how long it would take the creeps to notice that libraries are full of naughty books.
     
    They noticed a long time ago. Many of the naughty books have found their way to the dumpster/shredder/etc.

    Funny that you mention Robert E. Lee. I picked up a biography of him intended for kids published in the 1990s at a library book sale recently (complete with the library book id stickers from when it was shelved).

    You are not wrong.

    The good side of this is that a fair number of naughty library books end up at https://www.betterworldbooks.com/ or other used book venues if you want your own copies.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

    I’ve wondered how long it would take the creeps to notice that libraries are full of naughty books.
     
    The book burnings will continue until morale improves. No, wait. The book burnings will continue until all the marginalized groups will "Crush the Patriarchy"(tm), no wait, that should be 'will have "Crushed the Patriarchy"(tm) and danced on the grave of the Patriarch(s).

    So wherever Abe, Yitzak and Jacobus were buried, there look for the dancing.

    And, of course, the Lion will lie down with the Lamb right then too.
  16. On the other hand, these are librarians talking …

    This one appears to be a bigfoot librarian at MIT.

    I look back with sad amusement on my STEM friends who assured me years ago that there was no way this SJW nonsense could ever infect their disciplines, because they were based in cold facts and logic instead of fuzzy feelings and slippery verbal nonsense. I told them they were being dangerously naive.

    I’ve never been so disappointed to be proven right.

    • Agree: Bubba
  17. What’s the current over/under for the first SJW led book burning at one of America’s top universities?

    May 2020?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    What’s the current over/under for the first SJW led book burning at one of America’s top universities?

    May 2020?
     
    That sounds about right. It'd be especially funny if they started off with the collected works of Heinrich Heine.
    , @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    Never, because of the too-obvious parallels with the Nazis. However they've already figured out ways to essentially do the same thing, such as Amazon taking down 'naughty' books, mass editing of Wikipedia articles, etc. But actual book burnings won't happen.
  18. Anonymous[309] • Disclaimer says:

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    The chancellor's words run off the edges of the Tweet, and all we can see is that he/she/it made one egregious grammatical error.
  19. Why are there so many asian females that fully embrace this anti white ideology?

    I understand why Jews hate gentile whites because, well, we don’t need to go into this.

    I understand blacks because they are frustrated their collective accomplishments don’t match their self image, it creates immense cognitive dissonance and resentment and so they blame whites for reaching the historical dominance they think should belong to blacks.

    I understand angry white feminists because they probably have some deep issue with their white father or white uncles or some other major white male figure in their lives.

    But asian females hating on white guys? Where does that anger even come from? It wasnt white guys binding their feet for centuries. White guys aren’t rejecting them now, at least not in general. Asian women are overall better educated and doing pretty well in white society. So why that chip on the shoulder?

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    But asian females hating on white guys? Where does that anger even come from?
     
    What we're seeing is assimilation in action. These Asian females have fully assimilated into modern American society. They are simply reflecting that they see as modern western values.

    The problem here is that we have people coming from relatively healthy societies (in East Asia) coming to the West and assimilating to a very very sick society. Assimilation is a bad thing anyway (it's cultural genocide) but it becomes truly tragic when the host society is diseased.

    White people have taught these Asian females to be SJWs.
    , @notanon

    So why that chip on the shoulder?
     
    competing for promotion

    they're the future tiger-SJWs

    , @jcd1974
    Usually it's only the ugly Asian women who embrace the SJW agenda. The good looking ones know they are a hot commodity and aren't about to give that up in the name of social justice.
    , @International Jew
    Beware of hasty generalizations. For every angry Asian SJW, there must be a dozen normal girls in healthy relationships with white guys. Sure looks that way here in Silicon Valley.
    , @Patrick in SC

    But asian females hating on white guys? Where does that anger even come from?
     
    1. Conformism. They're just aping what they see so many other females around them doing.

    2. There will also be females who remain wallflowers, or at least don't attract the men they think they should be getting. This drives them even harder to 1. Conformism (See above), but more importantly...

    3. Makes them even angrier, which in turn makes them even more repellent, which further fuels their resentment of the opposite sex for ignoring them, and the vicious cycle begins.

    But like International Jew said, this is a pretty small minority of Asian females. They're loud, but small in number.

    , @Thomm
    It is only the ones who don't get into STEM.
    , @J.Ross
    Stop looking at it as being a matter of legitimate grievance. This sort of screamingly dishonest, civil war level internal hostility is how most human societies work, except that their venality is balanced by that of other tribes or clans. "You murdered our ancestors at the Battle of X!" "Oh, you want to talk about battles, we should talk about the Battle of Y!" "Tell you what, give us a few jobs from the new factory and we'll go away." Etc.. What we are seeing is the inevitable result of no-trust societies doing what they have always done, pretty much on instinct, but lucking into finding a high-trust society with no defenses against this bunco. Imagine a kid with a pocketful of laughably un-quarter-like slugs, who stumbles across the one candy machine with a severely outdated slot.
    This also means that being nice to them is pointless.
    , @ben tillman

    Why are there so many asian females that fully embrace this anti white ideology?
     
    To state the obvious: Asians aren't white.

    But asian females hating on white guys? Where does that anger even come from?
     
    It's not anger. It's acquisitiveness or perceived self-interest. They want our stuff.
    , @DFH
    Jealousy of white women being prettier (same as for Indian women).
    , @AGirl
    Why do you think Hot Asian women date white guys?

    To destroy white DNA

    Why do you think Ugly Asian women become SJW's?

    To destroy white DNA

    Simple.
    , @SFG
    It makes sense. You get points and get published for being an angry minority, and you're double-dipping POC and female, so why not?

    The well-adjusted ones go off to become pediatricians and make the next generation of upper-middle-class gentry.

    One thing not often commented on is the apparent difficulty Asians have getting very fat. This isn't as great as it sounds healthwise (they start screening you for diabetes at BMI 23 instead of 25 for the rest of us), but the advantage in the mating market (for women) in one of the most obesogenic environments in the world is obvious. (The guys are shorter and chicks hate geeks as we are not a Confucian culture, so they face all the problems Elliot Rodger was familiar with and Twinkie has managed to sidestep. )
  20. @ferd
    I was at a higher ed workshop on transgenderism a week ago, and the basic message was "Ask what the pronouns are and use them. It's very hurtful if you don't."

    We were warned that "you guys" is very hurtful, which prompted an attendee to ask if "y'all" is ok. One presenter said it's relatively unproblematic but the other presenter urged us to be patient so the community can figure out how offensive that preposition turns out to be.

    The first presenter told us that "folx" is ok, but make sure to spell it with an "x."

    Thirty years ago, in response to feminist rejection of words like “spokesman”, I, as a joke and spoof, came up with “woperdaughter” for a young woman. Little did I suspect that one day absurdities like that would become de rigueur.

  21. @ferd
    I was at a higher ed workshop on transgenderism a week ago, and the basic message was "Ask what the pronouns are and use them. It's very hurtful if you don't."

    We were warned that "you guys" is very hurtful, which prompted an attendee to ask if "y'all" is ok. One presenter said it's relatively unproblematic but the other presenter urged us to be patient so the community can figure out how offensive that preposition turns out to be.

    The first presenter told us that "folx" is ok, but make sure to spell it with an "x."

    The first presenter told us that “folx” is ok, but make sure to spell it with an “x.”

    fux that schitz

  22. Yet another troublesome Asian. Peterike’s Law: new evidence every day.

  23. @Alfa158
    Our new town library thankfully doesn't have much space being taken up with library collections. Most of the space is taken by video collections, sculpture, meeting rooms, a lounge with a fireplace and floor to ceiling windows covering the entire west wall of the second story providing a panoramic view of the Pacific from Catalina Island to Point Mugu. They also loan out lap tops for web surfing on site.
    And a few books, but you have to look for them.

    Ms. Leung should approve. I particularly enjoyed her warning to not post any comments that disagree with her. It is a tribute to the intelligence, diligence, industriousness, adaptability and ambition of our Asian immigrants, how quickly they have figured out who the officially sanctioned punching bag is in our former civilization, and hopped right to it in order to advance themselves.
    If they had been allowed to emigrate to Germany in the '30's they would no doubt have made up 75% of the successful applicants for concentration camp staffing positions.

    If they had been allowed to emigrate to Germany in the ’30’s they would no doubt have made up 75% of the successful applicants for concentration camp staffing positions.

    These Chinese camp commandants would have said, “ovens? we don’t need no stinking ovens!” and found a way to make one bullet fit three Jews, two Gypsies and one homosexual.

  24. I still have some thinking to do around this topic, but curious to hear what others think. I’m less interested in hearing that you don’t buy it, so don’t bother with those types of comments.

    I’m curious to hear other people repeating my opinions back to me.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna, ArthurinCali
  25. WPA murals as a white waste of space (and no doubt a legacy of New Deal “redlining”).

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/wpa-mural-white-children-removed-oak-park-school-diversity/

    A Depression-era mural depicting white children playing outside in the winter was removed from Percy Julian Middle School in Oak Park because school officials said it failed to represent the school’s diversity.

    While some said the mural was upsetting to students of color who felt it excluded them from the school, a local historian likened the removal to a “modern-day book burning.”

    Julian Principal Todd Fitzgerald announced the weekend removal in an email sent to school staff Monday.

    “I have had students approach me pointing out that this picture does not represent our student body or the diversity of Oak Park,” Fitzgerald wrote. “We will be working with the Social Justice Club and our parent Diversity Committee to create a mural/canvas that better represents Julian Middle School.”

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    They really had to get rid of the whole mural? Wouldn’t it have been easier for them to just paint over a few people with shades of brown?
  26. @NJ Transit Commuter
    What’s the current over/under for the first SJW led book burning at one of America’s top universities?

    May 2020?

    What’s the current over/under for the first SJW led book burning at one of America’s top universities?

    May 2020?

    That sounds about right. It’d be especially funny if they started off with the collected works of Heinrich Heine.

  27. @Spangel
    Where is this author from? I’m guessing the majority of books in Chinese and Japanese libraries aren’t written by white people.

    Oppression is now the fact that the English language was created by a white nation and spoken by this white nation for a thousand years before other people spoke it. One would expect that most of the books in predominantly English language libraries would be written by whites if only because most of the words native English speakers were white until fairly recently.

    Your elaborate rationalizations will ring hollow before the Committee of Public Safety. Prepare your neck for the guillotine.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    Exactly. It's just this sort of false equation which sanctifies White Privilege. Typical of the outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society. If there's ever gonna be any progress...

    I’m guessing the majority of books in Chinese and Japanese libraries aren’t written by white people.
     
  28. If Muslims can faithfully pray five times a day to Mecca, this proves that human beings are capable of believing in any kind of irrational bullshit you can dream up!

    Albert Ellis, in his Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy (REBT), identified a number of dysfunctional beliefs that people often hold.

    Irrational beliefs
    Here are irrational beliefs that Ellis described:

    It is a dire necessity for adult humans to be loved or approved by virtually every significant other person in their community.
    One absolutely must be competent, adequate and achieving in all important respects or else one is an inadequate, worthless person.
    People absolutely must act considerately and fairly, and they are damnable villains if they do not. They are their bad acts.
    It is awful and terrible when things are not the way one would very much like them to be.
    Emotional disturbance is mainly externally caused and people have little or no ability to increase or decrease their dysfunctional feelings and behaviors.
    If something is or may be dangerous or fearsome, then one should be constantly and excessively concerned about it and should keep dwelling on the possibility of it occurring.
    One cannot and must not face life’s responsibilities and difficulties and it is easier to avoid them.
    One must be quite dependent on others and need them and you cannot mainly run one’s own life.
    One’s past history is an all-important determiner of one’s present behavior and because something once strongly affected one’s life, it should indefinitely have a similar effect.
    Other people’s disturbances are horrible and one must feel upset about them.
    There is invariably a right, precise and perfect solution to human problems and it is awful if this perfect solution is not found.

  29. Anon[336] • Disclaimer says:

    Second generation Chinese, native of Brooklyn; after some time in the working world she went back to the University of Washington to get an MLIS and MPA.

    She’s too homely for a white boyfriend, so why not bash them?

    She has a book contract with MIT Press, something about the intersection of critical race theory and library and information science.

    She is into “critlib”:

    http://critlib.org/about/

    Critlib is short for “critical librarianship,” a movement of library workers dedicated to bringing social justice principles into our work in libraries. Recognizing that we all work under regimes of white supremacy, capitalism, and a range of structural inequalities, how can our work as librarians intervene in and disrupt those systems?

    —–

    Her Twitter account is locked up:

    academic librarian. I like cats, whiskey, intersectional feminism, social justice, critical librarianship, & CRT.

    She does an indigenous land acknowledgement for MIT: “unceded Wampanoag land.”

    Google crawled her Twitter account as recently as late February, so the lock up dates from subsequent to that.

    —–

    Her post Trump-election blog post (published after 16 days of trama) is a libraianesque collection of resources:

    OPEN LETTER TO WELL-INTENTIONED WHITE PEOPLE

    https://sleung.wordpress.com/2016/11/24/open-letter-to-well-intentioned-white-people/

    Perhaps the recent election results have you shocked and suddenly aware of how much your privilege has shielded you from the racist audacity of your fellow white people.

    To help you on this journey, I’ve put together a short list right here so you don’t have to ask your friends of color to do more unpaid labor.

    The first item on the list is Between the World and Me by Ta-Neshisi Coates.

    I kind of like this idea of “POC” boycotting the doing of unpaid labor. Whatever gets them to shut up works for me.

    • Replies: @notanon

    She’s too homely
     
    ah yes

    this is one of the driving forces behind modern feminism imo

    the ongoing destruction of the middle class is forcing women to compete for the shrinking number of men who can provide that lifestyle - the women who know they can't compete get bitter but also more practically they try to create an economic niche (e.g. women's studies) where they can provide a middle class life for themselves.
    , @Hail
    https://libapps.s3.amazonaws.com/accounts/123462/profiles/116036/sofial-100x100.jpg

    Case closed.

    https://libraries.mit.edu/img/staff-photos/sofial-100x100.jpg

    https://avatars.sched.co/0/F0/3108866/avatar.jpg
    , @El Dato

    She has a book contract with MIT Press, something about the intersection of critical race theory and library and information science.
     
    That's the problematic part about MIT Press. Sometimes they have good technical & engineering and even "soft sciences" stuff but all too often they publish half-baked philosophical digressions that would be better presented in a TED talk or in a softcover on the Malcom Gladwell shelf than within hardcovers priced at USD ++30.

    Still there seems to be no book out by Miss Leung. Yet.


    are written by white dudes writing about white ideas, white things, or ideas, people, and things they stole from POC and then claimed as white property
     
    Neo discovers that his white space is being invaded:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGZiLMGdCE0

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    " ... a native of Brooklyn ..."

    New York City needs to be quarantined until a way can be figured whereby the population is separated from the architectural treasures. There will be a disposal problem.
  30. Is “folx” just text message spelling for “folks” or are there learned articles in Grievance Studies journals on how substituting “x” for “ks” drains the Implicit Whiteness out of the Naziish word “folks”?

    I didn’t realize how insensitive I have been. In future, I will refer to these people as “dumb schmux”. That should make it less “not okay”.

  31. I’ve heard that Chinese university libraries jump to buy collections of books from the estates of dead university professors.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Years ago I sold my old school textbooks on eBay and was surprised when they were bought by some guy in China.
  32. Leung….sounds Han to me…….BRING BACK THE 1872 CHINESE LEGAL IMMIGRANT EXCLUSION ACT!!!!

  33. @ferd
    I was at a higher ed workshop on transgenderism a week ago, and the basic message was "Ask what the pronouns are and use them. It's very hurtful if you don't."

    We were warned that "you guys" is very hurtful, which prompted an attendee to ask if "y'all" is ok. One presenter said it's relatively unproblematic but the other presenter urged us to be patient so the community can figure out how offensive that preposition turns out to be.

    The first presenter told us that "folx" is ok, but make sure to spell it with an "x."

    That’s really folked up.

  34. @Bucky
    The Asian female SJW is such a sad creature. Because whatever passion she exudes has this air of trying too hard to fit in and assimilate. White female SJW’s come across as the real deal, driven by real passion for justice, however flawed.

    Agreed. They are a mess.

    Possible factors:
    1. Tiger Mom is angry daughter didn’t go into STEM.
    2. Asian guys not interested.
    3. Can’t get a white guy (or got pumped and dumped by a few).

    • Replies: @Anon
    Actually, I've noticed some of the loudest anti-white minority women have a white boyfriend. They are anti-white because they don't want anyone else to get the good white men they're trying to corral for themselves.
    , @Mr McKenna
    Well, it would suck to be a homely asian chick. Hearing your whole life how irresistible you are to white men, and then you can't even land one, unless perhaps if ten dolla changes hands.
  35. I’ll restate an idea that has been posted here before, how about we segregate Whites from everyone else? That way they won’t have to suffer us any longer. Whites can waste all the space they want with their libraries, and others can fill their libraries with whatever they desire.

    • Replies: @MarkU
    I agree entirely. We are obviously so irredeemably awful that we ought to quarantine ourselves immediately to avoid contaminating others. Also we should build a huge wall to prevent any of us from getting out, or any of the evidently superior peoples from accidentally getting in and being traumatised.
    , @anon

    I’ll restate an idea that has been posted here before, how about we segregate Whites from everyone else? That way they won’t have to suffer us any longer. Whites can waste all the space they want with their libraries, and others can fill their libraries with whatever they desire.
     
    exactly, i'm just about done with non-whites, even NE Asians, sadly
  36. Anon[819] • Disclaimer says:

    This is pretty basic Continental philosophy:

    https://www.iep.utm.edu/deconst/

    Deconstruction

    Although deconstruction has roots in Martin Heidegger’s concept of Destruktion, to deconstruct is not to destroy. Deconstruction is always a double movement of simultaneous affirmation and undoing. It started out as a way of reading the history of metaphysics in Heidegger and Jacques Derrida, but was soon applied to the interpretation of literary, religious, and legal texts as well as philosophical ones, and was adopted by several French feminist theorists as a way of making clearer the deep male bias embedded in the European intellectual tradition.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruktion

    Destruktion

    Founded in the work of Martin Luther,[17] here is Martin Heidegger on philosophy as the task of destroying ontological concepts, in other words also including, ordinary everyday meanings of words like time, history, being, theory, death, mind, body, matter, logic etc.:

    When tradition thus becomes master, it does so in such a way that what it ‘transmits’ is made so inaccessible, proximally and for the most part, that it rather becomes concealed. Tradition takes what has come down to us and delivers it over to self-evidence; it blocks our access to those primordial ‘sources’ from which the categories and concepts handed down to us have been in part quite genuinely drawn. Indeed it makes us forget that they have had such an origin, and makes us suppose that the necessity of going back to these sources is something which we need not even understand. (Being and Time, p. 43)

    Heidegger considers that tradition can become calcified here and there:

    If the question of Being is to have its own history made transparent, then this hardened tradition must be loosened up, and the concealments which it has brought about dissolved. We understand this task as one in which by taking the question of Being as our clue we are to destroy the traditional content of ancient ontology until we arrive at those primordial experiences in which we achieved our first ways of determining the nature of Being—the ways which have guided us ever since. (Being and Time, p. 44)

    • Replies: @WowJustWow
    Translated to plain English: http://www.fudco.com/chip/deconstr.html
  37. @ferd
    I was at a higher ed workshop on transgenderism a week ago, and the basic message was "Ask what the pronouns are and use them. It's very hurtful if you don't."

    We were warned that "you guys" is very hurtful, which prompted an attendee to ask if "y'all" is ok. One presenter said it's relatively unproblematic but the other presenter urged us to be patient so the community can figure out how offensive that preposition turns out to be.

    The first presenter told us that "folx" is ok, but make sure to spell it with an "x."

    That’s really folked up.

  38. Is “folx” just text message spelling for “folks”

    I think it’s a way to stay as far away from “volk” and “völkisch ” as possible. Or maybe from folk music that liked to incorporate a lot of white people’s history.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Harold Covington always played music, much of it White folk music, on his podcasts. Everything from Gordon Lightfoot to Emmylou Harris to the great Stan Rogers (which was my intro to this great artist, aside from Dr. Demento playing the atypical "White Collar Holler") to Irish IRA rebel music.


    At the end of the year he'd do an all music podcast. These are worth downloading and listening to.
  39. @anonymous
    What does World’s Wokest Librarian April Hathcock think?

    Things like this:

    We WOC/Native women are constantly having to present our creds before being given even the slightest time of day. Until we prove ourselves, we are poo on the bottom of your shoe. I get tired of that nonsense.

    Got my turn at the mic. Demonstrated my brilliance then and during Q&A. And as is always the damn case, I left with my fellow panelists tripping over themselves to defer to me and thank me and say it was nice to meet me (though I’d already met all before except one).

    1st white guy panelist: “I won’t talk about copyright bc [other white guy panelist] is the expert on that.” Um. Y’all. My black ass is literally here as THE copyright expert.

  40. Another dumb woke Asian female. Ten bucks says she’s dating or married to a Jewish guy.

  41. @NJ Transit Commuter
    What’s the current over/under for the first SJW led book burning at one of America’s top universities?

    May 2020?

    Never, because of the too-obvious parallels with the Nazis. However they’ve already figured out ways to essentially do the same thing, such as Amazon taking down ‘naughty’ books, mass editing of Wikipedia articles, etc. But actual book burnings won’t happen.

    • Replies: @Ibound1
    Then let me rephrase: “Where they delete books, eventually they will also delete people."
    , @dfordoom

    But actual book burnings won’t happen.
     
    There's no need to burn those evil white supremacist Nazi white guy books. Libraries will just quietly get rid of them. They'll end up in dumpsters.

    And now we have e-books so it's so much easier to just quietly delete the evil books. Or re-edit them. Which is happening already - non-PC elements are routinely edited out of old books.
    , @notanon

    But actual book burnings won’t happen.
     
    nah he's right - virtue signalling has to be public or they don't get their dopamine hit, someone will do it and the rate things are accelerating probably soon.

    i was always expecting attacks on western art at some point but i never thought about libraries till now - makes perfect sense though (from their pov).
    , @Hail

    SJW led book burning at one of America’s top universities
     

    Never, because of the too-obvious parallels with the Nazis
     
    The joke's really on them, because from what I understand the actual book burnings of the 1930s Germany were ceremonial; a state-sanctioned political mega-statement. They were not a literal, huge-scale attempt to eradicate knowledge or something out of Ray Bradbury (a typical distortion in cheap, "prole-feed" anti-Nazi propaganda).

    We have large-scale, regime-sanctioned, ceremonial denouncings of political content here in the digital era, too. In other words, they're already doing it.

    , @Mr McKenna

    Never, because of the too-obvious parallels with the Nazis. However they’ve already figured out ways to essentially do the same thing, such as Amazon taking down ‘naughty’ books, mass editing of Wikipedia articles, etc. But actual book burnings won’t happen.
     
    Hence. 'Actual' book burnings won't happen. Because they won't be necessary.
    , @Nicholas Stix
    My expectation is that certain types of books, e.g., works on IQ and related psychometric research, will simply "disappear" from research university libraries, and be carted off for paper recycling.

    For some time now, students have gone off to college, where they have heard from administrators and
    fake scholarship activist profs that "IQ does not exist," "Race does not exist," and the exact opposite (fill in the appropriate Sailerisms).

    Meanwhile, the few remaining psychometricians seem to exist as a dying underground within the antiversity.
  42. @Alfa158
    Our new town library thankfully doesn't have much space being taken up with library collections. Most of the space is taken by video collections, sculpture, meeting rooms, a lounge with a fireplace and floor to ceiling windows covering the entire west wall of the second story providing a panoramic view of the Pacific from Catalina Island to Point Mugu. They also loan out lap tops for web surfing on site.
    And a few books, but you have to look for them.

    Ms. Leung should approve. I particularly enjoyed her warning to not post any comments that disagree with her. It is a tribute to the intelligence, diligence, industriousness, adaptability and ambition of our Asian immigrants, how quickly they have figured out who the officially sanctioned punching bag is in our former civilization, and hopped right to it in order to advance themselves.
    If they had been allowed to emigrate to Germany in the '30's they would no doubt have made up 75% of the successful applicants for concentration camp staffing positions.

    “Our new town library thankfully doesn’t have much space being taken up with library collections.”

    This actually describes both of the most recently built “libraries” in my town. I used to support libraries, but I found out that they are now places for foreign parents to have their kids go after school (cheaper than daycare, and I’ll grant that most of the kids I see are well-behaved), plenty of Internet “workstations” used mostly for online casino gaming by out of work white people and the homeless) and people who teach foreign languages and English (no one needs to say “shhhh!” since no one is reading).

    “I particularly enjoyed her warning to not post any comments that disagree with her.”

    Well, the notion that one should listen to opposing or critical ideas is one of those stale, pale male ideas, isn’t it?

    I knew that Western Civ was being put out on the curb, but I didn’t expect to be put out with the rubbish myself. Live and learn.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    There are more perverts than readers in libraries these days:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GniNLLNBRM4
    , @anon

    “Our new town library thankfully doesn’t have much space being taken up with library collections.”

    This actually describes both of the most recently built “libraries” in my town. I used to support libraries, but I found out that they are now places for foreign parents to have their kids go after school
     
    my local library began going downhill about 10 years ago when they started adding DVD rentals - that brought in all the trash that had no interest in actually reading books. it used to be a haven of peace and quiet until then

    lately they also added some form of child care or monitoring which is being used by illegal alien types
  43. Anon[236] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m not surprised that she doesn’t care for libraries. Asians don’t have much of an intellectual tradition of libraries or making great library collections the way Westerners do. The Chinese, especially, have a long and ugly tradition of burning books. It used to be the way every new Imperial Dynasty started. They’d burn all the old books to destroy the memory of the previous rulers and get rid of all old knowledge so they could make the people dependant, stupid, and easily indoctrinated. The Chinese still do this in their country today and their leaders approve of the method. Look what they’re doing to the Uyghurs.

    Ever since the 2000s, there have arisen a new trend in librarianship, namely weeding out old books. Older generations of librarians would have been appalled by the practice. The Boomers started it, and their children, the Millenials, have continued it. This is simply book-burning ala Fahrenheit 451 under a politer name.

    Boomers, who rebelled against their parents more than any other generation in history, have been trying for years to erase the writings and wisdom of their parents, the Greatest Generation, as well as that of all previous generations. Boomers started doing this because they’re spoiled narcissists who can’t stand a world view what isn’t their own, and their bratty Millenials kids are even worse. Millenials freak out at the very thought that they might be contradicted, so they advocate censorship of the media and love to weed libraries for anything they consider to be thoughtcrime.

    Our libraries have been under assault from an authoritarian SJW Boomer-Millenial ideological regime for at least a generation, and the general public is too dumb to realize it and has been letting them get away with it.

    • Agree: Cortes
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Johnson County Library started aggressive weeding in the late 1990s. Now their collection is mostly Spanish language books that never circulate, dry vagina romance novels, bad SF, biographies, and a smattering of the least useful books in science, technology, mechanics, DIY, et al.

    The most obnoxious SJW materials do seem to vanish, somehow, though. I'm thinking someone is walking out with them in a bag made of RF proof cloth (there is such a thing) and chucking them into nearby ponds covered in goose shit, or burning them in his fireplace, but of course I have no way of knowing if that is really what is happening.

    , @ben tillman

    I’m not surprised that she doesn’t care for libraries. Asians don’t have much of an intellectual tradition of libraries or making great library collections the way Westerners do.
     
    Yeah, one of the stupidest tropes of our time is that Asians value education. They don't.

    They value credentials and, to a lesser extent, learning, but they have no interest in educating. That's a white thing.
    , @Twinkie

    Asians don’t have much of an intellectual tradition of libraries or making great library collections the way Westerners do. The Chinese, especially, have a long and ugly tradition of burning books.
     
    You are unintentionally funny.

    How did they engage in book-burning if they weren’t a literate culture and didn’t have lots of books in the first place?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libraries_in_China

    , @J.Ross
    Chinese, not "Asians." Specificity saves you trouble. And generally the truly pan-Asian commandments of conformity and respect mean there's no need for censorship. People don't want to make trouble. This only gets tricky when there's a big political shift and the rules change.
    And what "the Chinese are doing to the Uyghurs" is what we would be doing if we had a spine, not an example of Brecht's Galileo caricature. A better example is the kidnapped Hong Kong publisher, who was publishing, not cutting edge science showing up the State (that would be a neat trick considering current Chinese scientific mastery), but centenially old literature! Beijing assures us that he is "safe," whatever that means.
  44. …most of the collections (books, journals, archival papers, other media, etc.) are written by white dudes writing about white ideas, white things, or ideas, people, and things they stole from POC and then claimed as white property…

    Ugh, now I’m really beating my head on the desk. They’re going to burn it all before they’re done, aren’t they?

    • Replies: @notanon
    yes, year zero
    , @JMcG
    Yes they are.
  45. @JohnnyD
    Acording to her blog, Ms. Leung is Chinese. Maybe, she'll lead another Cultural Revolution and destroy all those white library collections.

    “model minority”

    I’m a second generation Chinese American…

    More importantly, as I said before when you have apparently relatively intelligent, well-educated, and successful ‘model minorities’ down-assimilating to the ‘hate whitey’ level, you know there’s a problem.

    • Replies: @Ragno
    It's that second generation that "assimilates"....alas, to a Jewish-dominated culture that teaches everyone, white kids included, to despise the straight white Christian society that provides them the freedom to allow the Levantine trickster to swindle them out of that freedom.

    Seriously - is it any mystery as to why we are prompted, if not prodded, to demonize the Nazis more and more with every passing year? Who else diagnosed the malaise of modernity with zero obfuscation?

  46. straight white men

    straight

    Is she reading the same English lit canon I’ve been?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    More or less gay white men probably contributed proportionally more to Western civilization than anybody else.
  47. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Public libraries went to hell when the Masters of Library Science degree became the union card for getting a library job with any importance. With one exception every single solitary MLS grad I have ever met has been stupid, lazy, and generally incompetent besides being Cultural Marxist in outlook. I’ve dealt with dozens.

    In Johnson County, KS, they threw out all the valuable reference books such as the Reader’s Guide to Periodical Literature and all non-Spanish foreign language literature in the dark of night in special locked dumpsters. Along with thousands of desirable technical and historical books. (I raided one and bagged a copy of the Radiotron Designer’s Handbook IV Edition and a second edition of Langewiesche’s Stick and Rudder in perfect shape. Right on the top of the stack.)

    For twenty years I’ve dealt with these guys and boy, their stupidity and mendacity has few bounds. Black and steezer teens watch XXXX porno on the computers and if you complain someone will be kicked out-YOU.

    Their interlibrary loan department is incapable of understanding the simplest of goals. I won’t go into details as I don’t want to be back-identified and doxxed.

    And-this is one of the better library systems out there. It gets worse from here.

  48. and how many SJWs seem to view their activism as mental health self-care … and yet these hate-based dogmas probably exacerbate their problems.

    Let us all agree to set aside a safe space for the adherents to this perspective. We can dispossess some innocents on the Coast of California or Hawaii or Puerto Rico and give the land to them. But we also take from them everything produced by Western culture. No medicine, no machines, no institutions – just nature. But librarians must choose – keep Western culture, or turn aside due to its defects. No third choice is offered.

    And we film it all in real time.

    We are discussing librarians. Meek, modest, soft-spoken, librarians, with love for all, and malice toward none.

    How long before it devolves into “Lord of the Flies” in that lovely paradise?

  49. I have pressed multiple um, folks, as to the significance of the “x” and the closest thing I have gotten to an answer is that the “x” signals to “queer, trans and POC” that you are “inclusive” or maybe even “centering” them. So there’s folks, and there’s folx, and the folx know who they are. But most people even on the far left actually seem to have no clue at all what it is for.

  50. My pronouns are thee/thou. My library fills up with black 12 year old boys playing roblox after school everyday. Every librarian I have ever encountered falls in to three categories: mousey gay men, mousey women who could have been nuns, and crazy kook women. They gays and nuns never cause any problems, but the kooks annoying. I hate the kooks. Oh yes, last year I encountered a library with no books. It was just a giant coffee shop with printers, scanners, and some computers with lots of desks and study cubes. You had to bring your own coffee though.

  51. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    I'm not surprised that she doesn't care for libraries. Asians don't have much of an intellectual tradition of libraries or making great library collections the way Westerners do. The Chinese, especially, have a long and ugly tradition of burning books. It used to be the way every new Imperial Dynasty started. They'd burn all the old books to destroy the memory of the previous rulers and get rid of all old knowledge so they could make the people dependant, stupid, and easily indoctrinated. The Chinese still do this in their country today and their leaders approve of the method. Look what they're doing to the Uyghurs.

    Ever since the 2000s, there have arisen a new trend in librarianship, namely weeding out old books. Older generations of librarians would have been appalled by the practice. The Boomers started it, and their children, the Millenials, have continued it. This is simply book-burning ala Fahrenheit 451 under a politer name.

    Boomers, who rebelled against their parents more than any other generation in history, have been trying for years to erase the writings and wisdom of their parents, the Greatest Generation, as well as that of all previous generations. Boomers started doing this because they're spoiled narcissists who can't stand a world view what isn't their own, and their bratty Millenials kids are even worse. Millenials freak out at the very thought that they might be contradicted, so they advocate censorship of the media and love to weed libraries for anything they consider to be thoughtcrime.

    Our libraries have been under assault from an authoritarian SJW Boomer-Millenial ideological regime for at least a generation, and the general public is too dumb to realize it and has been letting them get away with it.

    Johnson County Library started aggressive weeding in the late 1990s. Now their collection is mostly Spanish language books that never circulate, dry vagina romance novels, bad SF, biographies, and a smattering of the least useful books in science, technology, mechanics, DIY, et al.

    The most obnoxious SJW materials do seem to vanish, somehow, though. I’m thinking someone is walking out with them in a bag made of RF proof cloth (there is such a thing) and chucking them into nearby ponds covered in goose shit, or burning them in his fireplace, but of course I have no way of knowing if that is really what is happening.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Your description is very spot on for what's happened to my local library. It's turned into a joke. I myself sometimes just poke the SJW books behind the other books so they're lost and forgotten.
    , @Anonymous
    'dry vagina romance novels, '

    Great band name
  52. @Spangel
    Why are there so many asian females that fully embrace this anti white ideology?

    I understand why Jews hate gentile whites because, well, we don’t need to go into this.

    I understand blacks because they are frustrated their collective accomplishments don’t match their self image, it creates immense cognitive dissonance and resentment and so they blame whites for reaching the historical dominance they think should belong to blacks.

    I understand angry white feminists because they probably have some deep issue with their white father or white uncles or some other major white male figure in their lives.

    But asian females hating on white guys? Where does that anger even come from? It wasnt white guys binding their feet for centuries. White guys aren’t rejecting them now, at least not in general. Asian women are overall better educated and doing pretty well in white society. So why that chip on the shoulder?

    But asian females hating on white guys? Where does that anger even come from?

    What we’re seeing is assimilation in action. These Asian females have fully assimilated into modern American society. They are simply reflecting that they see as modern western values.

    The problem here is that we have people coming from relatively healthy societies (in East Asia) coming to the West and assimilating to a very very sick society. Assimilation is a bad thing anyway (it’s cultural genocide) but it becomes truly tragic when the host society is diseased.

    White people have taught these Asian females to be SJWs.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    The problem here is that we have people coming from relatively healthy societies (in East Asia) coming to the West and assimilating to a very very sick society. Assimilation is a bad thing anyway (it’s cultural genocide) but it becomes truly tragic when the host society is diseased.
     
    What Asian-ness is being lost? They have learned the magic words that make modern Western society shower them with blessings, the vocabulary that games our system. That doesn't mean that something has been subtracted.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

    White people have taught these Asian females to be SJWs.
     
    Stupid white people have taught these Asian females to be SJWs. - TFIFY
  53. @BB753
    Whatever happened to the : "Hey, hey! Thisis library!" type of Asian? We don't need more "deconstructing" of our Western culture.

    promotion in SJW dominated arenas requires competing on the basis of wokeness.

    (it’s why PC was always guaranteed to end up genocidal)

    • Replies: @BB753
    So why hasn't the Dem Party imploded yet?
  54. @Calogero
    When exactly did Asians become "people of color"? When I was growing up, only blacks were considered "colored" or later people of color. Is this just another way of grouping together wildly different types of people into a shared anti -white coalition?

    yes

    according to Solz the same thing happened in Russia – the Bolsheviks were for the most part a coalition of non-Russian minority groups who ganged up on the Russian majority.

    • Agree: Liza
  55. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    Never, because of the too-obvious parallels with the Nazis. However they've already figured out ways to essentially do the same thing, such as Amazon taking down 'naughty' books, mass editing of Wikipedia articles, etc. But actual book burnings won't happen.

    Then let me rephrase: “Where they delete books, eventually they will also delete people.”

  56. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    Never, because of the too-obvious parallels with the Nazis. However they've already figured out ways to essentially do the same thing, such as Amazon taking down 'naughty' books, mass editing of Wikipedia articles, etc. But actual book burnings won't happen.

    But actual book burnings won’t happen.

    There’s no need to burn those evil white supremacist Nazi white guy books. Libraries will just quietly get rid of them. They’ll end up in dumpsters.

    And now we have e-books so it’s so much easier to just quietly delete the evil books. Or re-edit them. Which is happening already – non-PC elements are routinely edited out of old books.

  57. a librarian who wants to burn books! sign of the times.

  58. @Mitchell Porter
    John Dewey did nothing wrong?

    You’re thinking of Melville Dewey?

    • Replies: @Mitchell Porter
    I never heard of him, but apparently that is who I mean. Except that he almost makes Sofia Leung's case for her - Dewey's library was for, not straight white men, but white Christian men and women.
  59. @Spangel
    Why are there so many asian females that fully embrace this anti white ideology?

    I understand why Jews hate gentile whites because, well, we don’t need to go into this.

    I understand blacks because they are frustrated their collective accomplishments don’t match their self image, it creates immense cognitive dissonance and resentment and so they blame whites for reaching the historical dominance they think should belong to blacks.

    I understand angry white feminists because they probably have some deep issue with their white father or white uncles or some other major white male figure in their lives.

    But asian females hating on white guys? Where does that anger even come from? It wasnt white guys binding their feet for centuries. White guys aren’t rejecting them now, at least not in general. Asian women are overall better educated and doing pretty well in white society. So why that chip on the shoulder?

    So why that chip on the shoulder?

    competing for promotion

    they’re the future tiger-SJWs

  60. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon7
    “Our new town library thankfully doesn’t have much space being taken up with library collections.”

    This actually describes both of the most recently built “libraries” in my town. I used to support libraries, but I found out that they are now places for foreign parents to have their kids go after school (cheaper than daycare, and I’ll grant that most of the kids I see are well-behaved), plenty of Internet “workstations” used mostly for online casino gaming by out of work white people and the homeless) and people who teach foreign languages and English (no one needs to say “shhhh!” since no one is reading).

    “I particularly enjoyed her warning to not post any comments that disagree with her.”

    Well, the notion that one should listen to opposing or critical ideas is one of those stale, pale male ideas, isn’t it?

    I knew that Western Civ was being put out on the curb, but I didn’t expect to be put out with the rubbish myself. Live and learn.

    There are more perverts than readers in libraries these days:

  61. Give it time, in a few years our young will be lectured to that Whiteness is a waste of a life itself, and that maybe they should just get on with removing themselves, somehow, from the scene.

    Some of our elites intuit this already. How else does one explain the near total indifference to approximately 50,000 white people offing themselves every year through fentanyl/heroin. Substances that are manufactured and trafficked by brown and yellow people.

    • Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    Perhaps people have already gotten the message subconsciously, hence the low white birthrates even in countries with little diversity and plenty of government subsidy like Norway.

    It would be quite something, wouldn't it, if the Eye of Intersectionality was turned the other way, and we could discuss "substances trafficked by brown and yellow people that kill 50,000 white people every year" in the same way the anti-white left discusses "police brutality against black and brown bodies". There is still rhetorical potential in turning their weapons against them. The problem is the platform to do so, they have achieved almost complete control over public discourse. Soon all social media will be gridlocked by algorithms and a vast network of moderators that will not allow any unorthodox thought from proliferating. It sounds like crazy talk but this is literally happening. And before long they will pass laws to make it illegal to even host this content, and then it's bye bye 4chan, unz.com, and any other outpost with a not-infinitesimal audience. The promise of the internet as a source of true freedom of information will have been but a quick-lived flame.

  62. @Sandy Berger's Socks
    I've wondered how long it would take the creeps to notice that libraries are full of naughty books.

    If a statue of Robert E. Lee, or some other dead white guy, can be deemed unfit for the public square, how long until their biographies suffer a similar fate at the public library?

    I hope I'm wrong.

    I’ve wondered how long it would take the creeps to notice that libraries are full of naughty books.

    They noticed a long time ago. Many of the naughty books have found their way to the dumpster/shredder/etc.

    Funny that you mention Robert E. Lee. I picked up a biography of him intended for kids published in the 1990s at a library book sale recently (complete with the library book id stickers from when it was shelved).

    You are not wrong.

    The good side of this is that a fair number of naughty library books end up at https://www.betterworldbooks.com/ or other used book venues if you want your own copies.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yes my book collection is filled with old library books, some of them (judging from the date stamps) only read once or twice and nearly new. Wonderful old hardbacks that would have cost me a pretty penny a 20 years ago.
    , @J.Ross
    Theodore Dalrymple had a disturbing story a million years ago about old (and no doubt politically incorrect) books being taken out of a French library to be destroyed, with no effort at, say, scanning them. Dalrymple being Dalrymple, he didn't go near any rabbit holes, and decried it merely on the grounds of waste and foolhardiness.
  63. @Steve Sailer
    The first presenter told us that “folx” is ok, but make sure to spell it with an “x.”

    Did he/she/they explain why?

    When Obama said "folks" all the time, was he doing it to be "folksy" or "folxy"?

    Actually, Steve, ‘folx’ has come up here already in the discussion of your Taki article Different Hoax for different folks.

    I suggested that you follow the lead of SuperWoke Yale student Sohum Pal, who was already using ‘folx’ in stuff he posted way back in 2017.

  64. @Spangel
    Why are there so many asian females that fully embrace this anti white ideology?

    I understand why Jews hate gentile whites because, well, we don’t need to go into this.

    I understand blacks because they are frustrated their collective accomplishments don’t match their self image, it creates immense cognitive dissonance and resentment and so they blame whites for reaching the historical dominance they think should belong to blacks.

    I understand angry white feminists because they probably have some deep issue with their white father or white uncles or some other major white male figure in their lives.

    But asian females hating on white guys? Where does that anger even come from? It wasnt white guys binding their feet for centuries. White guys aren’t rejecting them now, at least not in general. Asian women are overall better educated and doing pretty well in white society. So why that chip on the shoulder?

    Usually it’s only the ugly Asian women who embrace the SJW agenda. The good looking ones know they are a hot commodity and aren’t about to give that up in the name of social justice.

    • Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    Especially since hot, successful white guys tend to not be SJWs and come from at least somewhat conservative families, and hot Asian women with a legitimate shot at hot, successful white guys instinctively understand that he won't marry her if he thinks her views are going to be a problem with him and his family. That's my theory at least.
  65. And in today’s NY Times.. The Beat Goes On.

    I Don’t Need a DNA Test to Tell Me How Black I Am

    I’ve never been interested in DNA tests. I have nothing against people discovering they’re 18 percent German or 79 percent Irish, but I think the tests are a fad that distracts us from the harsh realities of race and identity in America. They encourage us to pretend that in terms of shaping who we really are, individual narratives matter more than the narrative of the country as a whole. There is no test for separation and tribalism, and yet they are baked into our cultural DNA.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Link?
  66. @Anon
    Second generation Chinese, native of Brooklyn; after some time in the working world she went back to the University of Washington to get an MLIS and MPA.

    She's too homely for a white boyfriend, so why not bash them?

    https://libapps.s3.amazonaws.com/accounts/123462/profiles/116036/sofial-100x100.jpg

    She has a book contract with MIT Press, something about the intersection of critical race theory and library and information science.

    She is into "critlib":

    http://critlib.org/about/

    Critlib is short for “critical librarianship,” a movement of library workers dedicated to bringing social justice principles into our work in libraries. Recognizing that we all work under regimes of white supremacy, capitalism, and a range of structural inequalities, how can our work as librarians intervene in and disrupt those systems?
     
    -----

    Her Twitter account is locked up:

    https://twitter.com/sofiayleung

    academic librarian. I like cats, whiskey, intersectional feminism, social justice, critical librarianship, & CRT.

    She does an indigenous land acknowledgement for MIT: "unceded Wampanoag land."

    Google crawled her Twitter account as recently as late February, so the lock up dates from subsequent to that.

    -----


    Her post Trump-election blog post (published after 16 days of trama) is a libraianesque collection of resources:

    OPEN LETTER TO WELL-INTENTIONED WHITE PEOPLE

    https://sleung.wordpress.com/2016/11/24/open-letter-to-well-intentioned-white-people/

    Perhaps the recent election results have you shocked and suddenly aware of how much your privilege has shielded you from the racist audacity of your fellow white people.

    To help you on this journey, I’ve put together a short list right here so you don’t have to ask your friends of color to do more unpaid labor.
     
    The first item on the list is Between the World and Me by Ta-Neshisi Coates.

    I kind of like this idea of "POC" boycotting the doing of unpaid labor. Whatever gets them to shut up works for me.

    She’s too homely

    ah yes

    this is one of the driving forces behind modern feminism imo

    the ongoing destruction of the middle class is forcing women to compete for the shrinking number of men who can provide that lifestyle – the women who know they can’t compete get bitter but also more practically they try to create an economic niche (e.g. women’s studies) where they can provide a middle class life for themselves.

  67. @Spangel
    Why are there so many asian females that fully embrace this anti white ideology?

    I understand why Jews hate gentile whites because, well, we don’t need to go into this.

    I understand blacks because they are frustrated their collective accomplishments don’t match their self image, it creates immense cognitive dissonance and resentment and so they blame whites for reaching the historical dominance they think should belong to blacks.

    I understand angry white feminists because they probably have some deep issue with their white father or white uncles or some other major white male figure in their lives.

    But asian females hating on white guys? Where does that anger even come from? It wasnt white guys binding their feet for centuries. White guys aren’t rejecting them now, at least not in general. Asian women are overall better educated and doing pretty well in white society. So why that chip on the shoulder?

    Beware of hasty generalizations. For every angry Asian SJW, there must be a dozen normal girls in healthy relationships with white guys. Sure looks that way here in Silicon Valley.

    • Agree: Twinkie
  68. By the way sumthin’ else, are the Chinese also taking over our libraries? There’s a number of links from the parasite that all feature female Chinese librarians. What’s the deal?

  69. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    Never, because of the too-obvious parallels with the Nazis. However they've already figured out ways to essentially do the same thing, such as Amazon taking down 'naughty' books, mass editing of Wikipedia articles, etc. But actual book burnings won't happen.

    But actual book burnings won’t happen.

    nah he’s right – virtue signalling has to be public or they don’t get their dopamine hit, someone will do it and the rate things are accelerating probably soon.

    i was always expecting attacks on western art at some point but i never thought about libraries till now – makes perfect sense though (from their pov).

  70. @Anon7
    ...most of the collections (books, journals, archival papers, other media, etc.) are written by white dudes writing about white ideas, white things, or ideas, people, and things they stole from POC and then claimed as white property...

    Ugh, now I’m really beating my head on the desk. They’re going to burn it all before they’re done, aren’t they?

    yes, year zero

  71. I think one factor in the devolution of the West is that we have turned our societal compass over to academics. Painting with a broad brush, these folks are probably more likely to be societal outsiders, and thus they have no love for “traditional” Western society.

    It’s as good a reason as any that I’ve heard of for why academia has decided to vilify the society that produced and cherishes it. Add in the echo chamber of academics to amplify the crazy, throw in the respect granted to the university system for its (legitimate) achievements in the 20th century, simmer, and voila! You have a West-hating cadre that is the thought leader of the West.

    And I say this as someone who is naturally inclined to academics and all its trappings.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    I think one factor in the devolution of the West is that we have turned our societal compass over to academics. Painting with a broad brush, these folks are probably more likely to be societal outsiders, and thus they have no love for “traditional” Western society.
     
    The "intellectual" first emerged as a distinct species in the 18th century. Those 18th century intellectuals wanted to destroy their own civilisation, and they especially wanted to destroy Christianity. They were motivated by hatred and jealousy.

    Intellectuals haven't changed. They always have been and always will be enemies of the entire western cultural, philosophic and religious tradition.
  72. @Spangel
    Why are there so many asian females that fully embrace this anti white ideology?

    I understand why Jews hate gentile whites because, well, we don’t need to go into this.

    I understand blacks because they are frustrated their collective accomplishments don’t match their self image, it creates immense cognitive dissonance and resentment and so they blame whites for reaching the historical dominance they think should belong to blacks.

    I understand angry white feminists because they probably have some deep issue with their white father or white uncles or some other major white male figure in their lives.

    But asian females hating on white guys? Where does that anger even come from? It wasnt white guys binding their feet for centuries. White guys aren’t rejecting them now, at least not in general. Asian women are overall better educated and doing pretty well in white society. So why that chip on the shoulder?

    But asian females hating on white guys? Where does that anger even come from?

    1. Conformism. They’re just aping what they see so many other females around them doing.

    2. There will also be females who remain wallflowers, or at least don’t attract the men they think they should be getting. This drives them even harder to 1. Conformism (See above), but more importantly…

    3. Makes them even angrier, which in turn makes them even more repellent, which further fuels their resentment of the opposite sex for ignoring them, and the vicious cycle begins.

    But like International Jew said, this is a pretty small minority of Asian females. They’re loud, but small in number.

  73. Anon[286] • Disclaimer says:

    I think it’s time to start boning up on postwar events in France after the fall of the Vichy Regime, the épuration légale and revenge against “Nazi collaborators,” a category that expanded to encompass a huge chunk of the French population.

    The oppressed feel that they are on their way to taking over, and white boy, you gonna get yours!

  74. @Anon
    Second generation Chinese, native of Brooklyn; after some time in the working world she went back to the University of Washington to get an MLIS and MPA.

    She's too homely for a white boyfriend, so why not bash them?

    https://libapps.s3.amazonaws.com/accounts/123462/profiles/116036/sofial-100x100.jpg

    She has a book contract with MIT Press, something about the intersection of critical race theory and library and information science.

    She is into "critlib":

    http://critlib.org/about/

    Critlib is short for “critical librarianship,” a movement of library workers dedicated to bringing social justice principles into our work in libraries. Recognizing that we all work under regimes of white supremacy, capitalism, and a range of structural inequalities, how can our work as librarians intervene in and disrupt those systems?
     
    -----

    Her Twitter account is locked up:

    https://twitter.com/sofiayleung

    academic librarian. I like cats, whiskey, intersectional feminism, social justice, critical librarianship, & CRT.

    She does an indigenous land acknowledgement for MIT: "unceded Wampanoag land."

    Google crawled her Twitter account as recently as late February, so the lock up dates from subsequent to that.

    -----


    Her post Trump-election blog post (published after 16 days of trama) is a libraianesque collection of resources:

    OPEN LETTER TO WELL-INTENTIONED WHITE PEOPLE

    https://sleung.wordpress.com/2016/11/24/open-letter-to-well-intentioned-white-people/

    Perhaps the recent election results have you shocked and suddenly aware of how much your privilege has shielded you from the racist audacity of your fellow white people.

    To help you on this journey, I’ve put together a short list right here so you don’t have to ask your friends of color to do more unpaid labor.
     
    The first item on the list is Between the World and Me by Ta-Neshisi Coates.

    I kind of like this idea of "POC" boycotting the doing of unpaid labor. Whatever gets them to shut up works for me.

    Case closed.

    • Replies: @Anon
    She doesn't even really look Chinese, more Filipino. Her parents must be from the extreme southern part of the country.
    , @Cortes
    The eyes truly are the window of the soul.
    , @Anonymous
    This is Sofia Leung's self-description on her Twitter page:

    sofiaaaaaProtected Tweets
    @sofiayleung
    academic librarian. I like cats, whiskey, intersectional feminism, social justice, critical librarianship, & CRT. @libraryleadpipe ed. #librarieswehere she/her
     
    , @Anon
    The facial asymmetry and slight facial weirdness suggest a high mutational load and the possibility of a weak case of something like Crouzon syndrome or Apert syndrome, or autism, in my untrained opinion.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    All teeth and bugged-out eyes. She's got a fanatic vibe.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson 3
    You play the hand you are dealt, and she has parlayed the puss-oozing-sore ideology of our time into a sweet gig.

    Just because she excites disgust and revulsion doesn't mean she isn't smart. She might have been a productive member of society had the Left been marginalized and defeated.
  75. Anonymous[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jrm
    I've heard that Chinese university libraries jump to buy collections of books from the estates of dead university professors.

    Years ago I sold my old school textbooks on eBay and was surprised when they were bought by some guy in China.

  76. @Bucky
    The Asian female SJW is such a sad creature. Because whatever passion she exudes has this air of trying too hard to fit in and assimilate. White female SJW’s come across as the real deal, driven by real passion for justice, however flawed.

    The Asian female SJW is such a sad creature

    Maybe in a cosmic sense.

    But in the current order they’re “laughing all the way to the bank.”

    It can’t, alas, last.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    It can’t, alas, last.
     
    Oh it very much can. We're you under the impression that those books are being read?

    She's the predator here, backrationalizing her next conquest of ground already foolishly ceded.
  77. Anon[236] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m all for people like Sofia Leung to be as ignorant of white knowledge as she wants to be, but what she’s trying to do is prevent everyone else from having access to white knowledge.

    She’s a crab is a bucket trying to drag down all the other crabs trying to crawl out of the bucket. She’s jealous and doesn’t want anyone to get ahead of her. This is a classic peasant-ghetto mindset.

  78. @Spangel
    Why are there so many asian females that fully embrace this anti white ideology?

    I understand why Jews hate gentile whites because, well, we don’t need to go into this.

    I understand blacks because they are frustrated their collective accomplishments don’t match their self image, it creates immense cognitive dissonance and resentment and so they blame whites for reaching the historical dominance they think should belong to blacks.

    I understand angry white feminists because they probably have some deep issue with their white father or white uncles or some other major white male figure in their lives.

    But asian females hating on white guys? Where does that anger even come from? It wasnt white guys binding their feet for centuries. White guys aren’t rejecting them now, at least not in general. Asian women are overall better educated and doing pretty well in white society. So why that chip on the shoulder?

    It is only the ones who don’t get into STEM.

  79. @White Guy In Japan
    Agreed. They are a mess.

    Possible factors:
    1. Tiger Mom is angry daughter didn't go into STEM.
    2. Asian guys not interested.
    3. Can't get a white guy (or got pumped and dumped by a few).

    Actually, I’ve noticed some of the loudest anti-white minority women have a white boyfriend. They are anti-white because they don’t want anyone else to get the good white men they’re trying to corral for themselves.

  80. Hail says: • Website
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    Never, because of the too-obvious parallels with the Nazis. However they've already figured out ways to essentially do the same thing, such as Amazon taking down 'naughty' books, mass editing of Wikipedia articles, etc. But actual book burnings won't happen.

    SJW led book burning at one of America’s top universities

    Never, because of the too-obvious parallels with the Nazis

    The joke’s really on them, because from what I understand the actual book burnings of the 1930s Germany were ceremonial; a state-sanctioned political mega-statement. They were not a literal, huge-scale attempt to eradicate knowledge or something out of Ray Bradbury (a typical distortion in cheap, “prole-feed” anti-Nazi propaganda).

    We have large-scale, regime-sanctioned, ceremonial denouncings of political content here in the digital era, too. In other words, they’re already doing it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    'The joke’s really on them, because from what I understand the actual book burnings of the 1930s Germany were ceremonial; a state-sanctioned political mega-statement. They were not a literal, huge-scale attempt to eradicate knowledge or something out of Ray Bradbury (a typical distortion in cheap, “prole-feed” anti-Nazi propaganda).'

    But what about all of the chambers where books were gassed? Why are we not allowed to dig up the ramians of millions of burned books? Oh cremation doesnt work that way you say

    Your a Nahtzee
    , @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    No, that is a common myth. The book burnings were carried out spontaneously by students. The government basically appeared at the end and tried to pretend it had some part in organizing it, but it was carried out by German students out of their own volition.
    , @Art Deco
    Ray Bradbury (a typical distortion in cheap, “prole-feed” anti-Nazi propaganda).

    The book was not an allegory of life in Nazi Germany. At all. You didn't read it, did you?


    (Why does it not surprise me that there is a caucus on this site objecting to severe treatment of Nazi Germany?).
  81. Anonymous[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @res

    I’ve wondered how long it would take the creeps to notice that libraries are full of naughty books.
     
    They noticed a long time ago. Many of the naughty books have found their way to the dumpster/shredder/etc.

    Funny that you mention Robert E. Lee. I picked up a biography of him intended for kids published in the 1990s at a library book sale recently (complete with the library book id stickers from when it was shelved).

    You are not wrong.

    The good side of this is that a fair number of naughty library books end up at https://www.betterworldbooks.com/ or other used book venues if you want your own copies.

    Yes my book collection is filled with old library books, some of them (judging from the date stamps) only read once or twice and nearly new. Wonderful old hardbacks that would have cost me a pretty penny a 20 years ago.

  82. @Anon7
    ...most of the collections (books, journals, archival papers, other media, etc.) are written by white dudes writing about white ideas, white things, or ideas, people, and things they stole from POC and then claimed as white property...

    Ugh, now I’m really beating my head on the desk. They’re going to burn it all before they’re done, aren’t they?

    Yes they are.

  83. @Steve Sailer
    The first presenter told us that “folx” is ok, but make sure to spell it with an “x.”

    Did he/she/they explain why?

    When Obama said "folks" all the time, was he doing it to be "folksy" or "folxy"?

    When Obama said “folks” all the time, was he doing it to be “folksy” or “folxy”?

    The latter, I daresay. “Folxy Lady” was a Hendrix classic I believe.

    Goes with his classic “Where the White Women At” ruminations.

  84. @istevefan
    I'll restate an idea that has been posted here before, how about we segregate Whites from everyone else? That way they won't have to suffer us any longer. Whites can waste all the space they want with their libraries, and others can fill their libraries with whatever they desire.

    I agree entirely. We are obviously so irredeemably awful that we ought to quarantine ourselves immediately to avoid contaminating others. Also we should build a huge wall to prevent any of us from getting out, or any of the evidently superior peoples from accidentally getting in and being traumatised.

  85. @White Guy In Japan
    Agreed. They are a mess.

    Possible factors:
    1. Tiger Mom is angry daughter didn't go into STEM.
    2. Asian guys not interested.
    3. Can't get a white guy (or got pumped and dumped by a few).

    Well, it would suck to be a homely asian chick. Hearing your whole life how irresistible you are to white men, and then you can’t even land one, unless perhaps if ten dolla changes hands.

  86. @ThreeCranes
    Your elaborate rationalizations will ring hollow before the Committee of Public Safety. Prepare your neck for the guillotine.

    Exactly. It’s just this sort of false equation which sanctifies White Privilege. Typical of the outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society. If there’s ever gonna be any progress…

    I’m guessing the majority of books in Chinese and Japanese libraries aren’t written by white people.

  87. Just throwin’ this out there: when the East Asians found themselves sufficiently behind the hairy barbarians to have to worry about getting conquered, it wasn’t through any lack of intellect, discipline, or accomplishment, it was the result of a self-imposed lack of curiosity.

    • Agree: Kylie
  88. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    Never, because of the too-obvious parallels with the Nazis. However they've already figured out ways to essentially do the same thing, such as Amazon taking down 'naughty' books, mass editing of Wikipedia articles, etc. But actual book burnings won't happen.

    Never, because of the too-obvious parallels with the Nazis. However they’ve already figured out ways to essentially do the same thing, such as Amazon taking down ‘naughty’ books, mass editing of Wikipedia articles, etc. But actual book burnings won’t happen.

    Hence. ‘Actual’ book burnings won’t happen. Because they won’t be necessary.

  89. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clifford Brown
    And in today's NY Times.. The Beat Goes On.

    I Don’t Need a DNA Test to Tell Me How Black I Am
     

    I’ve never been interested in DNA tests. I have nothing against people discovering they’re 18 percent German or 79 percent Irish, but I think the tests are a fad that distracts us from the harsh realities of race and identity in America. They encourage us to pretend that in terms of shaping who we really are, individual narratives matter more than the narrative of the country as a whole. There is no test for separation and tribalism, and yet they are baked into our cultural DNA.
     

    Link?

  90. @res

    I’ve wondered how long it would take the creeps to notice that libraries are full of naughty books.
     
    They noticed a long time ago. Many of the naughty books have found their way to the dumpster/shredder/etc.

    Funny that you mention Robert E. Lee. I picked up a biography of him intended for kids published in the 1990s at a library book sale recently (complete with the library book id stickers from when it was shelved).

    You are not wrong.

    The good side of this is that a fair number of naughty library books end up at https://www.betterworldbooks.com/ or other used book venues if you want your own copies.

    Theodore Dalrymple had a disturbing story a million years ago about old (and no doubt politically incorrect) books being taken out of a French library to be destroyed, with no effort at, say, scanning them. Dalrymple being Dalrymple, he didn’t go near any rabbit holes, and decried it merely on the grounds of waste and foolhardiness.

    • Replies: @StevenZ
    Speaking of Dalrymple, at my local library, one of his books, "Romancing Opiates", and a few others critical of drug culture went missing; they were never replaced. As for books written by feminists, the library often has multiple copies of each one.
  91. It’s true. Whenever someone unironically utters the term “whiteness”, I know that they’re a waste of space.

  92. @Spangel
    Why are there so many asian females that fully embrace this anti white ideology?

    I understand why Jews hate gentile whites because, well, we don’t need to go into this.

    I understand blacks because they are frustrated their collective accomplishments don’t match their self image, it creates immense cognitive dissonance and resentment and so they blame whites for reaching the historical dominance they think should belong to blacks.

    I understand angry white feminists because they probably have some deep issue with their white father or white uncles or some other major white male figure in their lives.

    But asian females hating on white guys? Where does that anger even come from? It wasnt white guys binding their feet for centuries. White guys aren’t rejecting them now, at least not in general. Asian women are overall better educated and doing pretty well in white society. So why that chip on the shoulder?

    Stop looking at it as being a matter of legitimate grievance. This sort of screamingly dishonest, civil war level internal hostility is how most human societies work, except that their venality is balanced by that of other tribes or clans. “You murdered our ancestors at the Battle of X!” “Oh, you want to talk about battles, we should talk about the Battle of Y!” “Tell you what, give us a few jobs from the new factory and we’ll go away.” Etc.. What we are seeing is the inevitable result of no-trust societies doing what they have always done, pretty much on instinct, but lucking into finding a high-trust society with no defenses against this bunco. Imagine a kid with a pocketful of laughably un-quarter-like slugs, who stumbles across the one candy machine with a severely outdated slot.
    This also means that being nice to them is pointless.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Agree
  93. Guns don’t kill people (of color).
    Roget’s Thesaurus kills people (of color).

  94. @Hail

    The Asian female SJW is such a sad creature
     
    Maybe in a cosmic sense.

    But in the current order they're "laughing all the way to the bank."

    It can't, alas, last.

    It can’t, alas, last.

    Oh it very much can. We’re you under the impression that those books are being read?

    She’s the predator here, backrationalizing her next conquest of ground already foolishly ceded.

  95. anon[286] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon7
    “Our new town library thankfully doesn’t have much space being taken up with library collections.”

    This actually describes both of the most recently built “libraries” in my town. I used to support libraries, but I found out that they are now places for foreign parents to have their kids go after school (cheaper than daycare, and I’ll grant that most of the kids I see are well-behaved), plenty of Internet “workstations” used mostly for online casino gaming by out of work white people and the homeless) and people who teach foreign languages and English (no one needs to say “shhhh!” since no one is reading).

    “I particularly enjoyed her warning to not post any comments that disagree with her.”

    Well, the notion that one should listen to opposing or critical ideas is one of those stale, pale male ideas, isn’t it?

    I knew that Western Civ was being put out on the curb, but I didn’t expect to be put out with the rubbish myself. Live and learn.

    “Our new town library thankfully doesn’t have much space being taken up with library collections.”

    This actually describes both of the most recently built “libraries” in my town. I used to support libraries, but I found out that they are now places for foreign parents to have their kids go after school

    my local library began going downhill about 10 years ago when they started adding DVD rentals – that brought in all the trash that had no interest in actually reading books. it used to be a haven of peace and quiet until then

    lately they also added some form of child care or monitoring which is being used by illegal alien types

  96. Imagine being a recent immigrant to some other country and talking this way about the host culture. No normal, reasonable, rational person would think to do that. Unless that really is unique to my people.

    It may be some kind of self-fulfilling prophecy; they are literally making me more racist.

  97. anon[286] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan
    I'll restate an idea that has been posted here before, how about we segregate Whites from everyone else? That way they won't have to suffer us any longer. Whites can waste all the space they want with their libraries, and others can fill their libraries with whatever they desire.

    I’ll restate an idea that has been posted here before, how about we segregate Whites from everyone else? That way they won’t have to suffer us any longer. Whites can waste all the space they want with their libraries, and others can fill their libraries with whatever they desire.

    exactly, i’m just about done with non-whites, even NE Asians, sadly

  98. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/michaeljknowles/status/1116766138375868416

    The chancellor’s words run off the edges of the Tweet, and all we can see is that he/she/it made one egregious grammatical error.

  99. Though this tweet doesn’t totally conform to this post, I think it is a clever one, and wanted to take this opportunity to share it.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    No, it's perfect.
    Possible corollary to Pournelle's Law: not only do destructively uninspired careerists inevitably outpopulate people who know what they're doing, they announce their grosteque unfitness, like a librarian who demands the removal of books, the journalist who won't let an interviewee speak, or the webmaster who wants to keep people offline.
  100. @Spangel
    Why are there so many asian females that fully embrace this anti white ideology?

    I understand why Jews hate gentile whites because, well, we don’t need to go into this.

    I understand blacks because they are frustrated their collective accomplishments don’t match their self image, it creates immense cognitive dissonance and resentment and so they blame whites for reaching the historical dominance they think should belong to blacks.

    I understand angry white feminists because they probably have some deep issue with their white father or white uncles or some other major white male figure in their lives.

    But asian females hating on white guys? Where does that anger even come from? It wasnt white guys binding their feet for centuries. White guys aren’t rejecting them now, at least not in general. Asian women are overall better educated and doing pretty well in white society. So why that chip on the shoulder?

    Why are there so many asian females that fully embrace this anti white ideology?

    To state the obvious: Asians aren’t white.

    But asian females hating on white guys? Where does that anger even come from?

    It’s not anger. It’s acquisitiveness or perceived self-interest. They want our stuff.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    It’s not anger. It’s acquisitiveness or perceived self-interest. They want our stuff.
     
    Which merges easily into envy, hatred, and anger toward obstacles to that self-aggrandizement.
  101. @Steve Sailer
    The first presenter told us that “folx” is ok, but make sure to spell it with an “x.”

    Did he/she/they explain why?

    When Obama said "folks" all the time, was he doing it to be "folksy" or "folxy"?

    That possibly spilled over from German leftie usage. Folx = good progressive vibrant folks.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volxkuche#English_spelling_and_pronunciation

  102. @Anon
    I'm not surprised that she doesn't care for libraries. Asians don't have much of an intellectual tradition of libraries or making great library collections the way Westerners do. The Chinese, especially, have a long and ugly tradition of burning books. It used to be the way every new Imperial Dynasty started. They'd burn all the old books to destroy the memory of the previous rulers and get rid of all old knowledge so they could make the people dependant, stupid, and easily indoctrinated. The Chinese still do this in their country today and their leaders approve of the method. Look what they're doing to the Uyghurs.

    Ever since the 2000s, there have arisen a new trend in librarianship, namely weeding out old books. Older generations of librarians would have been appalled by the practice. The Boomers started it, and their children, the Millenials, have continued it. This is simply book-burning ala Fahrenheit 451 under a politer name.

    Boomers, who rebelled against their parents more than any other generation in history, have been trying for years to erase the writings and wisdom of their parents, the Greatest Generation, as well as that of all previous generations. Boomers started doing this because they're spoiled narcissists who can't stand a world view what isn't their own, and their bratty Millenials kids are even worse. Millenials freak out at the very thought that they might be contradicted, so they advocate censorship of the media and love to weed libraries for anything they consider to be thoughtcrime.

    Our libraries have been under assault from an authoritarian SJW Boomer-Millenial ideological regime for at least a generation, and the general public is too dumb to realize it and has been letting them get away with it.

    I’m not surprised that she doesn’t care for libraries. Asians don’t have much of an intellectual tradition of libraries or making great library collections the way Westerners do.

    Yeah, one of the stupidest tropes of our time is that Asians value education. They don’t.

    They value credentials and, to a lesser extent, learning, but they have no interest in educating. That’s a white thing.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    They value credentials and, to a lesser extent, learning, but they have no interest in educating. That’s a white thing.
     
    How are you defining "education"? How does it differ from "learning"?
  103. @BB753
    Whatever happened to the : "Hey, hey! Thisis library!" type of Asian? We don't need more "deconstructing" of our Western culture.

    Whatever happened to the : “Hey, hey! Thisis library!” type of Asian? We don’t need more “deconstructing” of our Western culture.

    Still at the library, studying.

    Productive Asians – like productive people of any race – are busy living, not agitating for idiocy.

    • Replies: @Meretricious
    "We are just like you!
    Stop trying to notice things."
  104. @Twinkie

    Whatever happened to the : “Hey, hey! Thisis library!” type of Asian? We don’t need more “deconstructing” of our Western culture.
     
    Still at the library, studying.

    Productive Asians - like productive people of any race - are busy living, not agitating for idiocy.

    “We are just like you!
    Stop trying to notice things.”

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    “We are just like you!
    Stop trying to notice things.”
     
    No dummy, I want everyone to note correctly. I see several white bums under a bridge not too far from my house. Does that mean whites are prone to being bums? Obviously not.

    It’s easy to pick out an unrepresentative example and paint a false narrative. The mainstream media does it all the time. Regrettably, so do some people on the not-so-mainstream media. Try to find data instead of jumping on every anecdote that fits your priors. Try to have some sense of objectivity. You’ll understand reality better that way.
  105. Let me now try to connect all these dots in a coherent way.

    Rotsa ruck.

  106. Sofia Leung:

    “our library collections”

    “our library stacks”

    Having the likes of Sofia in the US is tolerating a slippery slope. I’ve linked to Rammstein’s excellent Deutschland video three times already, and I think I know why—millions and millions of worthless parvenus are asking to be devoured by a merciless white macrophage (#96). The next cycle is cued up.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    I had a hard time moving beyond "if you don't already know," which struck me as less "black" and more "twelve."
  107. @MBlanc46
    You’re thinking of Melville Dewey?

    I never heard of him, but apparently that is who I mean. Except that he almost makes Sofia Leung’s case for her – Dewey’s library was for, not straight white men, but white Christian men and women.

  108. The MLS (Masters of Library Science) degree is one of the easiest master’s degrees one can possibly earn. It usually has no thesis component, and if you held a 3.0 average as an undergrad (a fairly easy feat in today’s colleges), you can usually skip taking the GRE to get in. Most of the classes are no more challenging than 100-level survey courses, too. Library schools are essentially diploma mills, attracting a lot of sub-standard students & churning out a huge number of grads. I’ve read that the degree only became the industry standard sometime in the 60s-70s as a means to bestow faculty status on college librarians. These days, the real innovation in library science is coming from the computer science field, not library science.

  109. Just because this Leuong is ignorant, ridiculous and unattractive–a librarian with issues–doesn’t mean she is harmless. Sure, she is as an individual but she’s not acting as an individual. She’s marching in lockstep with much of the rest of academia. And their beliefs are a threat to us, one way or another.

  110. Pause here and think about this.

    Menopause here and think about that.

    Sofia Leung =

    A sinful ego.
    Fouling sea.

  111. @Bucky
    The Asian female SJW is such a sad creature. Because whatever passion she exudes has this air of trying too hard to fit in and assimilate. White female SJW’s come across as the real deal, driven by real passion for justice, however flawed.

    Personally, I find South Asian SJWs the most disturbing. Most of them are physically fit and doing well in the modern economy as members of the new mandarinate: aka, not at all like their white or East Asian “True Believer” SJW counterparts. I suspect that if modern orthodoxy as defined by our elites was about hearth and home, they’d be loquaciously lecturing on that.

    It’s like they are attempting to bring caste norms to America and put the modern untouchables in their place. What makes it particularly galling is that in terms of their own personal decisions, they are quite conservative: and as a result, successful. The preached medicine is visibly for the proles.

    • Replies: @Bucky
    South Asian Indians certainly are heavily caste-biased in their behavior. Everyone comes at the ideology with their own cultural baggage. The whites are channeling the spirit of the crusaders. The Asians are assimilating. The Indians are using it as stratification. For that matter, this is reason to be wary of Kamala Harris' Indian side.

    But I don't think East Asian sjw are true believers. This is East Asian assimilationist deferential behavior. Even Asians on the right wing end of the sphere never really have anything interesting to say except to repeat the talking points pioneered by white right wingers. There is a pair of Asian right wing youtubers called the Asian capitalists who talk about the "day of the rope" all the time without realizing what a day of the rope would imply for them and their families.
  112. @Steve Sailer
    The first presenter told us that “folx” is ok, but make sure to spell it with an “x.”

    Did he/she/they explain why?

    When Obama said "folks" all the time, was he doing it to be "folksy" or "folxy"?

    Obama was the last homophobic male in American history to win the presidency on the hateful platform of denying same-sex couples the right to marry. Why should the opinions of such an enemy of progress merit any consideration in the world of woke grammar?

  113. …librarians who appear to have some significant personality problems.

    Our librarian is almost sixty and she hiked the Appalachian Trail. She’s remarkably level-headed.

    Someone get Sofia some boots.

    Ever notice something? None of these young Asian female SJWs can play the piano. Or anything else. Those who do have no problem with dead white males:

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    play the piano
     
    There was something uncanny about both performances.

    Those who do have no problem with dead white males
     
    Forget it, Reg. They’re not gonna tickle your ivory.
    , @Kylie
    Ouch. That was painful.
  114. Anonymous[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    Why are there so many asian females that fully embrace this anti white ideology?
     
    To state the obvious: Asians aren't white.

    But asian females hating on white guys? Where does that anger even come from?
     
    It's not anger. It's acquisitiveness or perceived self-interest. They want our stuff.

    It’s not anger. It’s acquisitiveness or perceived self-interest. They want our stuff.

    Which merges easily into envy, hatred, and anger toward obstacles to that self-aggrandizement.

  115. Anonymous[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    I’m not surprised that she doesn’t care for libraries. Asians don’t have much of an intellectual tradition of libraries or making great library collections the way Westerners do.
     
    Yeah, one of the stupidest tropes of our time is that Asians value education. They don't.

    They value credentials and, to a lesser extent, learning, but they have no interest in educating. That's a white thing.

    They value credentials and, to a lesser extent, learning, but they have no interest in educating. That’s a white thing.

    How are you defining “education”? How does it differ from “learning”?

    • Replies: @Meretricious
    ...And what means "ass master?"

    (That's Margaret Cho for all you Asian haters.)
  116. @Anon
    I'm not surprised that she doesn't care for libraries. Asians don't have much of an intellectual tradition of libraries or making great library collections the way Westerners do. The Chinese, especially, have a long and ugly tradition of burning books. It used to be the way every new Imperial Dynasty started. They'd burn all the old books to destroy the memory of the previous rulers and get rid of all old knowledge so they could make the people dependant, stupid, and easily indoctrinated. The Chinese still do this in their country today and their leaders approve of the method. Look what they're doing to the Uyghurs.

    Ever since the 2000s, there have arisen a new trend in librarianship, namely weeding out old books. Older generations of librarians would have been appalled by the practice. The Boomers started it, and their children, the Millenials, have continued it. This is simply book-burning ala Fahrenheit 451 under a politer name.

    Boomers, who rebelled against their parents more than any other generation in history, have been trying for years to erase the writings and wisdom of their parents, the Greatest Generation, as well as that of all previous generations. Boomers started doing this because they're spoiled narcissists who can't stand a world view what isn't their own, and their bratty Millenials kids are even worse. Millenials freak out at the very thought that they might be contradicted, so they advocate censorship of the media and love to weed libraries for anything they consider to be thoughtcrime.

    Our libraries have been under assault from an authoritarian SJW Boomer-Millenial ideological regime for at least a generation, and the general public is too dumb to realize it and has been letting them get away with it.

    Asians don’t have much of an intellectual tradition of libraries or making great library collections the way Westerners do. The Chinese, especially, have a long and ugly tradition of burning books.

    You are unintentionally funny.

    How did they engage in book-burning if they weren’t a literate culture and didn’t have lots of books in the first place?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libraries_in_China

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Nazis, Soviets, and Muslims have filled "libraries." He was clearly talking about regarding the State as limited in its ability to dictate reality by rejecting science, which is not really something the Chinese agree with, which is worrying to us because they'll be censoring the tune soon. His phrasing was awful but his point is hardly rebutted by pointing out that intellectuals must exist before you bury them alive.
  117. @Anon
    This is pretty basic Continental philosophy:

    https://www.iep.utm.edu/deconst/

    Deconstruction

    Although deconstruction has roots in Martin Heidegger’s concept of Destruktion, to deconstruct is not to destroy. Deconstruction is always a double movement of simultaneous affirmation and undoing. It started out as a way of reading the history of metaphysics in Heidegger and Jacques Derrida, but was soon applied to the interpretation of literary, religious, and legal texts as well as philosophical ones, and was adopted by several French feminist theorists as a way of making clearer the deep male bias embedded in the European intellectual tradition.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruktion

    Destruktion

    Founded in the work of Martin Luther,[17] here is Martin Heidegger on philosophy as the task of destroying ontological concepts, in other words also including, ordinary everyday meanings of words like time, history, being, theory, death, mind, body, matter, logic etc.:

    When tradition thus becomes master, it does so in such a way that what it 'transmits' is made so inaccessible, proximally and for the most part, that it rather becomes concealed. Tradition takes what has come down to us and delivers it over to self-evidence; it blocks our access to those primordial 'sources' from which the categories and concepts handed down to us have been in part quite genuinely drawn. Indeed it makes us forget that they have had such an origin, and makes us suppose that the necessity of going back to these sources is something which we need not even understand. (Being and Time, p. 43)

    Heidegger considers that tradition can become calcified here and there:

    If the question of Being is to have its own history made transparent, then this hardened tradition must be loosened up, and the concealments which it has brought about dissolved. We understand this task as one in which by taking the question of Being as our clue we are to destroy the traditional content of ancient ontology until we arrive at those primordial experiences in which we achieved our first ways of determining the nature of Being—the ways which have guided us ever since. (Being and Time, p. 44)
     

    Translated to plain English: http://www.fudco.com/chip/deconstr.html

  118. @JohnnyD
    Acording to her blog, Ms. Leung is Chinese. Maybe, she'll lead another Cultural Revolution and destroy all those white library collections.

    Ah, the good old days of the Mao Revolution – famines, genocide and rampant cannibalism.

    Ms. Leung is just carrying on the tradition of an unrepentant Red Guard mentality.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/05/16/my-uncle-was-a-red-guard-in-chinas-cultural-revolution-he-isnt-sorry/

    In a way, she is like Ilhan Omar – bringing the murderous ideologies from their native lands here to the heart of America.

  119. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Sofia Leung:

    “our library collections”

    “our library stacks”
     

    Having the likes of Sofia in the US is tolerating a slippery slope. I’ve linked to Rammstein’s excellent Deutschland video three times already, and I think I know why—millions and millions of worthless parvenus are asking to be devoured by a merciless white macrophage (#96). The next cycle is cued up.

    I had a hard time moving beyond “if you don’t already know,” which struck me as less “black” and more “twelve.”

  120. Library collections continue to promote and proliferate whiteness with their very existence and the fact that they are physically taking up space in our libraries. They are paid for using money that was usually ill-gotten and at the cost of black and brown lives. …

    Yes, we should remove the Encyclopedia Britannica, which is white colonialist propaganda, from every public library and replace it with 26 volumes of Baltimore mayor Catherine Pugh’s LBGT children’s book “Healthy Holly.”

    FILE – Maryland’s chief accountant is calling for Pugh to step down, calling the latest revelations about lucrative deals to sell her self-published children’s books “brazen, cartoonish corruption.” In a Monday, April 1, 2019 tweet, Maryland Comptroller Peter Franchot wrote: “The Mayor has to resign — now.” His comments came on the same day that Kaiser Permanente disclosed that it paid Pugh’s limited liability company about $114,000 for roughly 20,000 copies of her “Healthy Holly” children’s books.

  121. @CCZ
    WPA murals as a white waste of space (and no doubt a legacy of New Deal "redlining").

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/wpa-mural-white-children-removed-oak-park-school-diversity/

    A Depression-era mural depicting white children playing outside in the winter was removed from Percy Julian Middle School in Oak Park because school officials said it failed to represent the school’s diversity.

    While some said the mural was upsetting to students of color who felt it excluded them from the school, a local historian likened the removal to a “modern-day book burning.”

    Julian Principal Todd Fitzgerald announced the weekend removal in an email sent to school staff Monday.

    “I have had students approach me pointing out that this picture does not represent our student body or the diversity of Oak Park,” Fitzgerald wrote. “We will be working with the Social Justice Club and our parent Diversity Committee to create a mural/canvas that better represents Julian Middle School.”

    https://media.breitbart.com/media/2019/04/wpa-mural-school-bernstein-640x480.jpg

    They really had to get rid of the whole mural? Wouldn’t it have been easier for them to just paint over a few people with shades of brown?

    • Agree: Hibernian
  122. @Twinkie

    Asians don’t have much of an intellectual tradition of libraries or making great library collections the way Westerners do. The Chinese, especially, have a long and ugly tradition of burning books.
     
    You are unintentionally funny.

    How did they engage in book-burning if they weren’t a literate culture and didn’t have lots of books in the first place?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libraries_in_China

    Nazis, Soviets, and Muslims have filled “libraries.” He was clearly talking about regarding the State as limited in its ability to dictate reality by rejecting science, which is not really something the Chinese agree with, which is worrying to us because they’ll be censoring the tune soon. His phrasing was awful but his point is hardly rebutted by pointing out that intellectuals must exist before you bury them alive.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    His phrasing was awful but his point is hardly rebutted by pointing out that intellectuals must exist before you bury them alive.
     
    His point that the Chinese have no tradition of filling libraries or love of books is simply false. Ancient China had large public libraries as well as numerous private libraries. That they also have had tyrants who burnt them as proof of that idiotic assertion is akin to claiming that Germans have no tradition of bibliophilism, because the Nazis burnt books.

    China was a literate civilization long before Germanic peoples who destroyed Rome ever acquired even a semblance of literacy. I’m not even Chinese, but am from a merely Chinese-influenced barbarian civilization and, yet, because of the cultural influence of this literate tradition, my family has a very old book of genealogy hundreds of years old that records my ancestry back to the 7th century.

    You can and should criticize China for many things, but lack of literate tradition is not one of them.
  123. @Anon
    I'm not surprised that she doesn't care for libraries. Asians don't have much of an intellectual tradition of libraries or making great library collections the way Westerners do. The Chinese, especially, have a long and ugly tradition of burning books. It used to be the way every new Imperial Dynasty started. They'd burn all the old books to destroy the memory of the previous rulers and get rid of all old knowledge so they could make the people dependant, stupid, and easily indoctrinated. The Chinese still do this in their country today and their leaders approve of the method. Look what they're doing to the Uyghurs.

    Ever since the 2000s, there have arisen a new trend in librarianship, namely weeding out old books. Older generations of librarians would have been appalled by the practice. The Boomers started it, and their children, the Millenials, have continued it. This is simply book-burning ala Fahrenheit 451 under a politer name.

    Boomers, who rebelled against their parents more than any other generation in history, have been trying for years to erase the writings and wisdom of their parents, the Greatest Generation, as well as that of all previous generations. Boomers started doing this because they're spoiled narcissists who can't stand a world view what isn't their own, and their bratty Millenials kids are even worse. Millenials freak out at the very thought that they might be contradicted, so they advocate censorship of the media and love to weed libraries for anything they consider to be thoughtcrime.

    Our libraries have been under assault from an authoritarian SJW Boomer-Millenial ideological regime for at least a generation, and the general public is too dumb to realize it and has been letting them get away with it.

    Chinese, not “Asians.” Specificity saves you trouble. And generally the truly pan-Asian commandments of conformity and respect mean there’s no need for censorship. People don’t want to make trouble. This only gets tricky when there’s a big political shift and the rules change.
    And what “the Chinese are doing to the Uyghurs” is what we would be doing if we had a spine, not an example of Brecht’s Galileo caricature. A better example is the kidnapped Hong Kong publisher, who was publishing, not cutting edge science showing up the State (that would be a neat trick considering current Chinese scientific mastery), but centenially old literature! Beijing assures us that he is “safe,” whatever that means.

  124. @Reg Cæsar

    ...librarians who appear to have some significant personality problems.
     
    Our librarian is almost sixty and she hiked the Appalachian Trail. She's remarkably level-headed.

    Someone get Sofia some boots.

    Ever notice something? None of these young Asian female SJWs can play the piano. Or anything else. Those who do have no problem with dead white males:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMpCuUTJQ38


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzASXkfBQk4

    play the piano

    There was something uncanny about both performances.

    Those who do have no problem with dead white males

    Forget it, Reg. They’re not gonna tickle your ivory.

  125. @istevefan
    Though this tweet doesn't totally conform to this post, I think it is a clever one, and wanted to take this opportunity to share it.

    https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/999822110137683968

    No, it’s perfect.
    Possible corollary to Pournelle’s Law: not only do destructively uninspired careerists inevitably outpopulate people who know what they’re doing, they announce their grosteque unfitness, like a librarian who demands the removal of books, the journalist who won’t let an interviewee speak, or the webmaster who wants to keep people offline.

  126. tldr; literature is so White Privilege.

  127. This librarian might be too young to be familiar with Chris Rock’s bit on books.

    Rock did something clever there, which is to take negative generalizations about blacks and act as if they only apply to a small minority of them. Good way to avoid alienating the blacks in his audience, but the truth is that blacks of all kinds are scarce where there is voluntary appreciation of books (unless they are homeless, in which case a library becomes attractive for non-book reasons.

  128. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    Never, because of the too-obvious parallels with the Nazis. However they've already figured out ways to essentially do the same thing, such as Amazon taking down 'naughty' books, mass editing of Wikipedia articles, etc. But actual book burnings won't happen.

    My expectation is that certain types of books, e.g., works on IQ and related psychometric research, will simply “disappear” from research university libraries, and be carted off for paper recycling.

    For some time now, students have gone off to college, where they have heard from administrators and
    fake scholarship activist profs that “IQ does not exist,” “Race does not exist,” and the exact opposite (fill in the appropriate Sailerisms).

    Meanwhile, the few remaining psychometricians seem to exist as a dying underground within the antiversity.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    If that hasn't happened already, and meanwhile the Han are CRISPRing the Kwisatz Haderach.
  129. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @kihowi

    Is “folx” just text message spelling for “folks”
     
    I think it's a way to stay as far away from "volk" and "völkisch " as possible. Or maybe from folk music that liked to incorporate a lot of white people's history.

    Harold Covington always played music, much of it White folk music, on his podcasts. Everything from Gordon Lightfoot to Emmylou Harris to the great Stan Rogers (which was my intro to this great artist, aside from Dr. Demento playing the atypical “White Collar Holler”) to Irish IRA rebel music.

    At the end of the year he’d do an all music podcast. These are worth downloading and listening to.

    • Agree: Gordo
  130. “Don’t you know the Dewey Decimal System?”

  131. “I stayed in the library, crushed breathless by the smoldering power of all those words – many of them unfathomable – until Happy Hour. And then I left.”

    Denis Johnson, exhibiting his Unbearable Whiteness as regards library patronage.

  132. @Spangel
    Why are there so many asian females that fully embrace this anti white ideology?

    I understand why Jews hate gentile whites because, well, we don’t need to go into this.

    I understand blacks because they are frustrated their collective accomplishments don’t match their self image, it creates immense cognitive dissonance and resentment and so they blame whites for reaching the historical dominance they think should belong to blacks.

    I understand angry white feminists because they probably have some deep issue with their white father or white uncles or some other major white male figure in their lives.

    But asian females hating on white guys? Where does that anger even come from? It wasnt white guys binding their feet for centuries. White guys aren’t rejecting them now, at least not in general. Asian women are overall better educated and doing pretty well in white society. So why that chip on the shoulder?

    Jealousy of white women being prettier (same as for Indian women).

  133. Trump issues second veto of presidency: to protect Saudi barbarism in Yemen.
    So, yeah. Every criminal exposed by Wikileaks, and the Deep State conspiracy to use sedition against a duly elected president, and antifa and BLM terrorists, and the “refugees” being caught and released, they’ll all walk, they won’t even be verbally criticized or lose a day of work, but the tragicomically inept Saudis can go on fumbling [our] bombs over Yemeni children after it was so damn important for all those years to stop Assad from fighting ISIS.

    President Trump vetoed a bill Tuesday aimed at ending U.S. involvement in Yemen.

    “This resolution is an unnecessary, dangerous attempt to weaken my constitutional authorities, endangering the lives of American citizens and brave service members, both today and in the future,” he wrote in his veto message to Congress.

    The four-year civil war in Yemen has led to what the U.N. calls the world’s worst humanitarian crisis, with millions in danger of starving. Tens of thousands have died in the conflict between the coalition forces, led by Saudi Arabia, and the Houthi rebel forces, backed by Iran.

    The bipartisan legislation sought to pull back U.S. support for the coalition through the War Powers Act, a little-used law that allows Congress to pull troops out of a foreign conflict that has not been authorized by the legislature with a declaration of war [wait, what? That exists? Where the hell has that been for twice my lifetime?].

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-issues-second-veto-of-his-presidency

  134. @Hail
    https://libapps.s3.amazonaws.com/accounts/123462/profiles/116036/sofial-100x100.jpg

    Case closed.

    https://libraries.mit.edu/img/staff-photos/sofial-100x100.jpg

    https://avatars.sched.co/0/F0/3108866/avatar.jpg

    She doesn’t even really look Chinese, more Filipino. Her parents must be from the extreme southern part of the country.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    She doesn’t even really look Chinese, more Filipino. Her parents must be from the extreme southern part of the country.
     
    Correct. Yeung is a Cantonese surname, her parents are likely from Hong Kong and were thus loyal subjects of Her Britannic Majesty. Southern China has notable admixture of non-Han populations, notably among the lower classes (recent peasantry).

    Sofia's parents almost certainly traveled to the U.S. aboard a ship or airplane steered and crewed by white males, mostly straight, and a few white females.

    Faced with the chance to travel on a Chinese vessel or airplane at the same price, they would - wisely - have chosen the superior safety culture of white Westerners.

  135. @Reg Cæsar

    ...librarians who appear to have some significant personality problems.
     
    Our librarian is almost sixty and she hiked the Appalachian Trail. She's remarkably level-headed.

    Someone get Sofia some boots.

    Ever notice something? None of these young Asian female SJWs can play the piano. Or anything else. Those who do have no problem with dead white males:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMpCuUTJQ38


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzASXkfBQk4

    Ouch. That was painful.

  136. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:

    Yep.

    Let’s burn all the books!

    Let’s emulate the example of the firing of the ‘Library of Alexandria’!

    Let’s make a festival of it and build massive great big celebratory bonfires of books in the public parks!

    Let’s come for the internet next!

    Let’s have celebratory detonations of server farms!

  137. @Hail
    https://libapps.s3.amazonaws.com/accounts/123462/profiles/116036/sofial-100x100.jpg

    Case closed.

    https://libraries.mit.edu/img/staff-photos/sofial-100x100.jpg

    https://avatars.sched.co/0/F0/3108866/avatar.jpg

    The eyes truly are the window of the soul.

  138. Seems a shame that a modern librarian is unfamiliar with such space-saving devices like roller stacks, microfiche, microfilm etc.

    A competent academic panel might want to have regular, comprehensive audits of the accession (and “de-accession”) policies which Ms Leung and folx in budget holding positions employ better to see what use is being made of funds entrusted to their judgement.

  139. @megabar
    I think one factor in the devolution of the West is that we have turned our societal compass over to academics. Painting with a broad brush, these folks are probably more likely to be societal outsiders, and thus they have no love for "traditional" Western society.

    It's as good a reason as any that I've heard of for why academia has decided to vilify the society that produced and cherishes it. Add in the echo chamber of academics to amplify the crazy, throw in the respect granted to the university system for its (legitimate) achievements in the 20th century, simmer, and voila! You have a West-hating cadre that is the thought leader of the West.

    And I say this as someone who is naturally inclined to academics and all its trappings.

    I think one factor in the devolution of the West is that we have turned our societal compass over to academics. Painting with a broad brush, these folks are probably more likely to be societal outsiders, and thus they have no love for “traditional” Western society.

    The “intellectual” first emerged as a distinct species in the 18th century. Those 18th century intellectuals wanted to destroy their own civilisation, and they especially wanted to destroy Christianity. They were motivated by hatred and jealousy.

    Intellectuals haven’t changed. They always have been and always will be enemies of the entire western cultural, philosophic and religious tradition.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    https://www.amazon.com/Intellectuals-Paul-Johnson/dp/0060160500
  140. @Roderick Spode

    straight white men
     

    straight
     
    Is she reading the same English lit canon I've been?

    More or less gay white men probably contributed proportionally more to Western civilization than anybody else.

    • Agree: Roderick Spode
    • LOL: eah
    • Replies: @Kylie
    "More or less gay white men probably contributed proportionally more to Western civilization than anybody else."

    Henry James springs to mind.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

    More or less gay white men probably contributed proportionally more to Western civilization than anybody else.
     
    Please list your 'gay white men' roster. We want to know whether Cicero, Julius Caesar, Augustus, Jesus, Seneca, Nerva, Trajan, Hadrian, Antoninus Pius, Marcus Aurelius, Athanasius, Constantine, Augustine, Boethius, Belisarius, Charles Martel, Longfrank, Anselm, Thomas Becket, Peter Abelard, Thomas Aquinas, and I could go on, but let us begin with them.

    Are any, or all of them on your list?
    , @Desiderius
    Probably more on the less side, though also less than straight. IIRC, the crazy dude who wrote so much of the OED castrated himself so he could focus more on his (extraordinary) work.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5932728/

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25019.The_Professor_and_the_Madman
    , @Roderick Spode
    Assuming it's true that gay men are created by excessive in utero exposure to certain hormones (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3296090/), their disproportionate success in the arts could have to do with the advantage of possessing a feminized male i.e. androgynous brain. The aesthetic instincts and emotional sensitivity of a woman, combined with the competitive drive and obsessiveness of a man. The Victorians called such individuals 'Uranians' (no jokes, now).
  141. @Anonymous
    Johnson County Library started aggressive weeding in the late 1990s. Now their collection is mostly Spanish language books that never circulate, dry vagina romance novels, bad SF, biographies, and a smattering of the least useful books in science, technology, mechanics, DIY, et al.

    The most obnoxious SJW materials do seem to vanish, somehow, though. I'm thinking someone is walking out with them in a bag made of RF proof cloth (there is such a thing) and chucking them into nearby ponds covered in goose shit, or burning them in his fireplace, but of course I have no way of knowing if that is really what is happening.

    Your description is very spot on for what’s happened to my local library. It’s turned into a joke. I myself sometimes just poke the SJW books behind the other books so they’re lost and forgotten.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    A time-honoured practice.

    At my undergraduate university, it was easy (after the first few weeks) to observe the planking (= hiding) techniques used by fellow “students” to try to keep materials referred to by lecturers away from the “competition”

    A good novel could be written...
  142. @Meretricious
    "We are just like you!
    Stop trying to notice things."

    “We are just like you!
    Stop trying to notice things.”

    No dummy, I want everyone to note correctly. I see several white bums under a bridge not too far from my house. Does that mean whites are prone to being bums? Obviously not.

    It’s easy to pick out an unrepresentative example and paint a false narrative. The mainstream media does it all the time. Regrettably, so do some people on the not-so-mainstream media. Try to find data instead of jumping on every anecdote that fits your priors. Try to have some sense of objectivity. You’ll understand reality better that way.

  143. @Anonymous

    They value credentials and, to a lesser extent, learning, but they have no interest in educating. That’s a white thing.
     
    How are you defining "education"? How does it differ from "learning"?

    …And what means “ass master?”

    (That’s Margaret Cho for all you Asian haters.)

  144. @J.Ross
    Nazis, Soviets, and Muslims have filled "libraries." He was clearly talking about regarding the State as limited in its ability to dictate reality by rejecting science, which is not really something the Chinese agree with, which is worrying to us because they'll be censoring the tune soon. His phrasing was awful but his point is hardly rebutted by pointing out that intellectuals must exist before you bury them alive.

    His phrasing was awful but his point is hardly rebutted by pointing out that intellectuals must exist before you bury them alive.

    His point that the Chinese have no tradition of filling libraries or love of books is simply false. Ancient China had large public libraries as well as numerous private libraries. That they also have had tyrants who burnt them as proof of that idiotic assertion is akin to claiming that Germans have no tradition of bibliophilism, because the Nazis burnt books.

    China was a literate civilization long before Germanic peoples who destroyed Rome ever acquired even a semblance of literacy. I’m not even Chinese, but am from a merely Chinese-influenced barbarian civilization and, yet, because of the cultural influence of this literate tradition, my family has a very old book of genealogy hundreds of years old that records my ancestry back to the 7th century.

    You can and should criticize China for many things, but lack of literate tradition is not one of them.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    I'm not sure that he said that they couldn't read, you're dragging that through the space he left with the useless phrase "intellectual tradition." He was ballparking Erasmus and not Stephanie Meyer. As clumsily as he spoke, he didn't call them illiterate. The Chinese on their best day do not doubt that the State can erase people and ideas: this is the scariest thing about them.
    , @Jack D
    Words (or characters actually) have a lot more power in Chinese culture than they do in the West - the magical act of writing something down makes it real and powerful so censorship is very important to those in power.

    In the Emperor's Throne Room, a short verse or slogan was written above his head and one one either side - something that is inconceivable in the West:

    http://hua.umf.maine.edu/China/HistoricBeijing/Forbidden_City/images/06supremehallthrone_4669w.jpg

    And this iconography continues to the present day:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/E3Uu0q7MxR9mRpn5RxOowKeHu68=/1484x0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/NYHFG3SWOYI6TKUDKBHQQ27V2Y.jpg
  145. @Calogero
    When exactly did Asians become "people of color"? When I was growing up, only blacks were considered "colored" or later people of color. Is this just another way of grouping together wildly different types of people into a shared anti -white coalition?

    “When exactly did Asians become “people of color”?”

    When it was in their interest to do so.

    Meanwhile, my Asian in-laws have opinions about black people that would make Genghis Kahn blush.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    Genghis Khan doesn't blush, he just decides to make a business trip.
    , @Svigor
    Yellows do crap this to curry favor with baizuo, gain status within baizuo regime. Sad but true.
    , @Moses
    Asians I know (I mean real Asians located in Asia) are among the most viscerally racist people I have met in my entire life. They are quite up front about it.

    Or maybe they just notice patterns.
  146. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail
    https://libapps.s3.amazonaws.com/accounts/123462/profiles/116036/sofial-100x100.jpg

    Case closed.

    https://libraries.mit.edu/img/staff-photos/sofial-100x100.jpg

    https://avatars.sched.co/0/F0/3108866/avatar.jpg

    This is Sofia Leung’s self-description on her Twitter page:

    sofiaaaaaProtected Tweets
    @sofiayleung
    academic librarian. I like cats, whiskey, intersectional feminism, social justice, critical librarianship, & CRT. @libraryleadpipe ed. #librarieswehere she/her

  147. “Another point is that if you take this ideology of racist hate seriously, it seems pretty alarming. On the other hand, these are librarians talking … and librarians who appear to have some significant personality problems.”

    I don’t quite see how “personality problems” are a plus here.

    In other words, she may be only a librarian with personality problems, but I’ll bet she can still light a match, so I’m still pretty alarmed.

    • Replies: @El Dato

    In other words, she may be only a librarian with personality problems, but I’ll bet she can still light a match, so I’m still pretty alarmed.
     
    Disappearing books because there is too much structural white oppression and capitalism and stealing from People of Color in there?

    It's more likely than you think.
  148. @Anon
    Second generation Chinese, native of Brooklyn; after some time in the working world she went back to the University of Washington to get an MLIS and MPA.

    She's too homely for a white boyfriend, so why not bash them?

    https://libapps.s3.amazonaws.com/accounts/123462/profiles/116036/sofial-100x100.jpg

    She has a book contract with MIT Press, something about the intersection of critical race theory and library and information science.

    She is into "critlib":

    http://critlib.org/about/

    Critlib is short for “critical librarianship,” a movement of library workers dedicated to bringing social justice principles into our work in libraries. Recognizing that we all work under regimes of white supremacy, capitalism, and a range of structural inequalities, how can our work as librarians intervene in and disrupt those systems?
     
    -----

    Her Twitter account is locked up:

    https://twitter.com/sofiayleung

    academic librarian. I like cats, whiskey, intersectional feminism, social justice, critical librarianship, & CRT.

    She does an indigenous land acknowledgement for MIT: "unceded Wampanoag land."

    Google crawled her Twitter account as recently as late February, so the lock up dates from subsequent to that.

    -----


    Her post Trump-election blog post (published after 16 days of trama) is a libraianesque collection of resources:

    OPEN LETTER TO WELL-INTENTIONED WHITE PEOPLE

    https://sleung.wordpress.com/2016/11/24/open-letter-to-well-intentioned-white-people/

    Perhaps the recent election results have you shocked and suddenly aware of how much your privilege has shielded you from the racist audacity of your fellow white people.

    To help you on this journey, I’ve put together a short list right here so you don’t have to ask your friends of color to do more unpaid labor.
     
    The first item on the list is Between the World and Me by Ta-Neshisi Coates.

    I kind of like this idea of "POC" boycotting the doing of unpaid labor. Whatever gets them to shut up works for me.

    She has a book contract with MIT Press, something about the intersection of critical race theory and library and information science.

    That’s the problematic part about MIT Press. Sometimes they have good technical & engineering and even “soft sciences” stuff but all too often they publish half-baked philosophical digressions that would be better presented in a TED talk or in a softcover on the Malcom Gladwell shelf than within hardcovers priced at USD ++30.

    Still there seems to be no book out by Miss Leung. Yet.

    are written by white dudes writing about white ideas, white things, or ideas, people, and things they stole from POC and then claimed as white property

    Neo discovers that his white space is being invaded:

    • Replies: @Anon

    Still there seems to be no book out by Miss Leung. Yet.
     
    I got that from a Google result that contained a blurb from her Twitter account; the account itself is private now, but Google has not had time to recrawl everything and clear out the old tweets. She said she and a guy named Jorge will be the authors. Her book is probably just a proposal outline at this point, so MIT Press wouldn't be publicizing it until at least a draft manuscript materializes.
  149. @Smithsonian
    "When exactly did Asians become “people of color”?"

    When it was in their interest to do so.

    Meanwhile, my Asian in-laws have opinions about black people that would make Genghis Kahn blush.

    Genghis Khan doesn’t blush, he just decides to make a business trip.

  150. @ferd
    I was at a higher ed workshop on transgenderism a week ago, and the basic message was "Ask what the pronouns are and use them. It's very hurtful if you don't."

    We were warned that "you guys" is very hurtful, which prompted an attendee to ask if "y'all" is ok. One presenter said it's relatively unproblematic but the other presenter urged us to be patient so the community can figure out how offensive that preposition turns out to be.

    The first presenter told us that "folx" is ok, but make sure to spell it with an "x."

    so the community can figure out how offensive that preposition turns out to be.

    There is no “preposition” in the word “y’all”. It is simply a 2nd person plural pronoun, although you can analyze it as a pronoun plus adjective.

  151. @Old Palo Altan
    "Another point is that if you take this ideology of racist hate seriously, it seems pretty alarming. On the other hand, these are librarians talking … and librarians who appear to have some significant personality problems."

    I don't quite see how "personality problems" are a plus here.

    In other words, she may be only a librarian with personality problems, but I'll bet she can still light a match, so I'm still pretty alarmed.

    In other words, she may be only a librarian with personality problems, but I’ll bet she can still light a match, so I’m still pretty alarmed.

    Disappearing books because there is too much structural white oppression and capitalism and stealing from People of Color in there?

    It’s more likely than you think.

  152. Racist Monk discovers Exclusive White Space not yet offered for reparation/repossession by PoC in need of self-confirmation:

    (Come to think of it, 32 years later, this Piranesi-style Library seems to be a vague metaphor for the Internet)

  153. @Hail
    https://libapps.s3.amazonaws.com/accounts/123462/profiles/116036/sofial-100x100.jpg

    Case closed.

    https://libraries.mit.edu/img/staff-photos/sofial-100x100.jpg

    https://avatars.sched.co/0/F0/3108866/avatar.jpg

    The facial asymmetry and slight facial weirdness suggest a high mutational load and the possibility of a weak case of something like Crouzon syndrome or Apert syndrome, or autism, in my untrained opinion.

  154. @Spangel
    Why are there so many asian females that fully embrace this anti white ideology?

    I understand why Jews hate gentile whites because, well, we don’t need to go into this.

    I understand blacks because they are frustrated their collective accomplishments don’t match their self image, it creates immense cognitive dissonance and resentment and so they blame whites for reaching the historical dominance they think should belong to blacks.

    I understand angry white feminists because they probably have some deep issue with their white father or white uncles or some other major white male figure in their lives.

    But asian females hating on white guys? Where does that anger even come from? It wasnt white guys binding their feet for centuries. White guys aren’t rejecting them now, at least not in general. Asian women are overall better educated and doing pretty well in white society. So why that chip on the shoulder?

    Why do you think Hot Asian women date white guys?

    To destroy white DNA

    Why do you think Ugly Asian women become SJW’s?

    To destroy white DNA

    Simple.

  155. @Calogero
    When exactly did Asians become "people of color"? When I was growing up, only blacks were considered "colored" or later people of color. Is this just another way of grouping together wildly different types of people into a shared anti -white coalition?

    During the Vietnam era some black activists spoke of the War as one in which black soldiers were at war with “fellow colored people.”

  156. @Smithsonian
    "When exactly did Asians become “people of color”?"

    When it was in their interest to do so.

    Meanwhile, my Asian in-laws have opinions about black people that would make Genghis Kahn blush.

    Yellows do crap this to curry favor with baizuo, gain status within baizuo regime. Sad but true.

  157. @Anon
    Second generation Chinese, native of Brooklyn; after some time in the working world she went back to the University of Washington to get an MLIS and MPA.

    She's too homely for a white boyfriend, so why not bash them?

    https://libapps.s3.amazonaws.com/accounts/123462/profiles/116036/sofial-100x100.jpg

    She has a book contract with MIT Press, something about the intersection of critical race theory and library and information science.

    She is into "critlib":

    http://critlib.org/about/

    Critlib is short for “critical librarianship,” a movement of library workers dedicated to bringing social justice principles into our work in libraries. Recognizing that we all work under regimes of white supremacy, capitalism, and a range of structural inequalities, how can our work as librarians intervene in and disrupt those systems?
     
    -----

    Her Twitter account is locked up:

    https://twitter.com/sofiayleung

    academic librarian. I like cats, whiskey, intersectional feminism, social justice, critical librarianship, & CRT.

    She does an indigenous land acknowledgement for MIT: "unceded Wampanoag land."

    Google crawled her Twitter account as recently as late February, so the lock up dates from subsequent to that.

    -----


    Her post Trump-election blog post (published after 16 days of trama) is a libraianesque collection of resources:

    OPEN LETTER TO WELL-INTENTIONED WHITE PEOPLE

    https://sleung.wordpress.com/2016/11/24/open-letter-to-well-intentioned-white-people/

    Perhaps the recent election results have you shocked and suddenly aware of how much your privilege has shielded you from the racist audacity of your fellow white people.

    To help you on this journey, I’ve put together a short list right here so you don’t have to ask your friends of color to do more unpaid labor.
     
    The first item on the list is Between the World and Me by Ta-Neshisi Coates.

    I kind of like this idea of "POC" boycotting the doing of unpaid labor. Whatever gets them to shut up works for me.

    ” … a native of Brooklyn …”

    New York City needs to be quarantined until a way can be figured whereby the population is separated from the architectural treasures. There will be a disposal problem.

  158. What does she want in the space of not white bookery? Soma dispensaries?

  159. Not all books will be “disappeared.” Between the World and Me (Ta-Nehisi Coates) is book #1 on Ms. Leung’s recommended reading list of books that are not “white-washed.”

    https://sleung.wordpress.com/2016/11/24/open-letter-to-well-intentioned-white-people/

    One of Ms. Leung’s mentors tells us how, until recently:

    “The issue of race has been evaded in the field of Library and Information Studies (LIS) in the United States through an unquestioned system of white normativity and liberal multicultural discourse. … Beginning with an analysis of the historical construction of libraries as an institution complicit in the production and maintenance of white racial privilege and then turning toward present-day discourses surrounding diversity and multiculturalism, this paper discusses at length the epistemological forms of racism that exist in LIS.”

    https://escholarship.org/uc/item/4nj0w1mp (The Invisibility of Race in Library and Information Studies)

    Finally, the truth is revealed, Andrew Carnegie funded building all those libraries to advance his racist white supremacist colonizing agenda and overtly deny POC a physical space to display their literary and scientific legacy.

    • Replies: @Gordo
    Someone must stop this vandalism.

    I suppose it's us.
  160. @Nicholas Stix
    My expectation is that certain types of books, e.g., works on IQ and related psychometric research, will simply "disappear" from research university libraries, and be carted off for paper recycling.

    For some time now, students have gone off to college, where they have heard from administrators and
    fake scholarship activist profs that "IQ does not exist," "Race does not exist," and the exact opposite (fill in the appropriate Sailerisms).

    Meanwhile, the few remaining psychometricians seem to exist as a dying underground within the antiversity.

    If that hasn’t happened already, and meanwhile the Han are CRISPRing the Kwisatz Haderach.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

    the Kwisatz Haderach
     
    A false messiah will not save them.
  161. @Hail
    https://libapps.s3.amazonaws.com/accounts/123462/profiles/116036/sofial-100x100.jpg

    Case closed.

    https://libraries.mit.edu/img/staff-photos/sofial-100x100.jpg

    https://avatars.sched.co/0/F0/3108866/avatar.jpg

    All teeth and bugged-out eyes. She’s got a fanatic vibe.

  162. @Twinkie

    His phrasing was awful but his point is hardly rebutted by pointing out that intellectuals must exist before you bury them alive.
     
    His point that the Chinese have no tradition of filling libraries or love of books is simply false. Ancient China had large public libraries as well as numerous private libraries. That they also have had tyrants who burnt them as proof of that idiotic assertion is akin to claiming that Germans have no tradition of bibliophilism, because the Nazis burnt books.

    China was a literate civilization long before Germanic peoples who destroyed Rome ever acquired even a semblance of literacy. I’m not even Chinese, but am from a merely Chinese-influenced barbarian civilization and, yet, because of the cultural influence of this literate tradition, my family has a very old book of genealogy hundreds of years old that records my ancestry back to the 7th century.

    You can and should criticize China for many things, but lack of literate tradition is not one of them.

    I’m not sure that he said that they couldn’t read, you’re dragging that through the space he left with the useless phrase “intellectual tradition.” He was ballparking Erasmus and not Stephanie Meyer. As clumsily as he spoke, he didn’t call them illiterate. The Chinese on their best day do not doubt that the State can erase people and ideas: this is the scariest thing about them.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    The Chinese on their best day do not doubt that the State can erase people and ideas: this is the scariest thing about them.
     
    That is not unique to them and it has manifested everywhere where humans have existed. Heck, does Amazon book banning not ring a bell?

    Listen, I share your Sinophobia, but...


    I’m not sure that he said that they couldn’t read, you’re dragging that through the space he left with the useless phrase “intellectual tradition.” He was ballparking Erasmus and not Stephanie Meyer. As clumsily as he spoke, he didn’t call them illiterate.
     
    You are going out of your way to justify something that is clearly false. This is exactly what he wrote:

    Asians don’t have much of an intellectual tradition of libraries or making great library collections the way Westerners do.
     
    Asians had libraries long before "Westerners"* did.

    *Sure, yes, Greeks and Romans had libraries, but "Westerners" in the modern sense refer to Western Europeans, mostly descendants of Germanic peoples, who demolished the earlier Greek and Roman civilizations and only later, in their moment of triumph, imagined themselves as the heirs of the civilizations their forebears destroyed.

  163. @nebulafox
    Personally, I find South Asian SJWs the most disturbing. Most of them are physically fit and doing well in the modern economy as members of the new mandarinate: aka, not at all like their white or East Asian "True Believer" SJW counterparts. I suspect that if modern orthodoxy as defined by our elites was about hearth and home, they'd be loquaciously lecturing on that.

    It's like they are attempting to bring caste norms to America and put the modern untouchables in their place. What makes it particularly galling is that in terms of their own personal decisions, they are quite conservative: and as a result, successful. The preached medicine is visibly for the proles.

    South Asian Indians certainly are heavily caste-biased in their behavior. Everyone comes at the ideology with their own cultural baggage. The whites are channeling the spirit of the crusaders. The Asians are assimilating. The Indians are using it as stratification. For that matter, this is reason to be wary of Kamala Harris’ Indian side.

    But I don’t think East Asian sjw are true believers. This is East Asian assimilationist deferential behavior. Even Asians on the right wing end of the sphere never really have anything interesting to say except to repeat the talking points pioneered by white right wingers. There is a pair of Asian right wing youtubers called the Asian capitalists who talk about the “day of the rope” all the time without realizing what a day of the rope would imply for them and their families.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    For that matter, this is reason to be wary of Kamala Harris’ Indian side.
     
    Correct. Like all presidential candidate, Kamala is the front person for a cabal of backers each with their own interests. The cabal collectively decided that Kamala's personality made her controllable and easy to mold to their various purposes.

    Caste arrogance matured over thousands of years will fit in marvelously with the anti-"deplorables" campaign launched long ago and recently accelerated by the billionaires' club and its academic priesthood. Having married outside her caste and being left to fend for herself, Kamala's mother will have redoubled her efforts to inspire proper caste spirit in her daughter.

    , @J.Ross
    >East Asians would be in danger on a day of the rope
    First of all, no, second of all, not even close, third of all, hell no, fourth of all this term comes from a specific time and place and its original implenters were Dominicans. It never meant death to non-whites, it refers to an extreme case where even partial assimilation is impossible.
  164. Anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom

    But asian females hating on white guys? Where does that anger even come from?
     
    What we're seeing is assimilation in action. These Asian females have fully assimilated into modern American society. They are simply reflecting that they see as modern western values.

    The problem here is that we have people coming from relatively healthy societies (in East Asia) coming to the West and assimilating to a very very sick society. Assimilation is a bad thing anyway (it's cultural genocide) but it becomes truly tragic when the host society is diseased.

    White people have taught these Asian females to be SJWs.

    The problem here is that we have people coming from relatively healthy societies (in East Asia) coming to the West and assimilating to a very very sick society. Assimilation is a bad thing anyway (it’s cultural genocide) but it becomes truly tragic when the host society is diseased.

    What Asian-ness is being lost? They have learned the magic words that make modern Western society shower them with blessings, the vocabulary that games our system. That doesn’t mean that something has been subtracted.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    What Asian-ness is being lost? They have learned the magic words that make modern Western society shower them with blessings, the vocabulary that games our system. That doesn’t mean that something has been subtracted.
     
    A lot. Almost nobody behaves like that in NE Asia. We are not exactly completely healthy since we still struggle with cultural authoritarianism & conformism but at least we have a safe environment, willingness to achieve more and thankfully lack of Negroids and dishonorary Negroids.

    This woman is a fucking embarrassment to my race just like Sarah Jeong. We are doing well and aren't victims. Negroid agitators who attempt to trick us into an absurd alliance against whites need to BTFO.

  165. @Steve Sailer
    More or less gay white men probably contributed proportionally more to Western civilization than anybody else.

    “More or less gay white men probably contributed proportionally more to Western civilization than anybody else.”

    Henry James springs to mind.

  166. Anonymous[992] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    She doesn't even really look Chinese, more Filipino. Her parents must be from the extreme southern part of the country.

    She doesn’t even really look Chinese, more Filipino. Her parents must be from the extreme southern part of the country.

    Correct. Yeung is a Cantonese surname, her parents are likely from Hong Kong and were thus loyal subjects of Her Britannic Majesty. Southern China has notable admixture of non-Han populations, notably among the lower classes (recent peasantry).

    Sofia’s parents almost certainly traveled to the U.S. aboard a ship or airplane steered and crewed by white males, mostly straight, and a few white females.

    Faced with the chance to travel on a Chinese vessel or airplane at the same price, they would – wisely – have chosen the superior safety culture of white Westerners.

  167. Anonymous[992] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bucky
    South Asian Indians certainly are heavily caste-biased in their behavior. Everyone comes at the ideology with their own cultural baggage. The whites are channeling the spirit of the crusaders. The Asians are assimilating. The Indians are using it as stratification. For that matter, this is reason to be wary of Kamala Harris' Indian side.

    But I don't think East Asian sjw are true believers. This is East Asian assimilationist deferential behavior. Even Asians on the right wing end of the sphere never really have anything interesting to say except to repeat the talking points pioneered by white right wingers. There is a pair of Asian right wing youtubers called the Asian capitalists who talk about the "day of the rope" all the time without realizing what a day of the rope would imply for them and their families.

    For that matter, this is reason to be wary of Kamala Harris’ Indian side.

    Correct. Like all presidential candidate, Kamala is the front person for a cabal of backers each with their own interests. The cabal collectively decided that Kamala’s personality made her controllable and easy to mold to their various purposes.

    Caste arrogance matured over thousands of years will fit in marvelously with the anti-“deplorables” campaign launched long ago and recently accelerated by the billionaires’ club and its academic priesthood. Having married outside her caste and being left to fend for herself, Kamala’s mother will have redoubled her efforts to inspire proper caste spirit in her daughter.

  168. @J.Ross
    I'm not sure that he said that they couldn't read, you're dragging that through the space he left with the useless phrase "intellectual tradition." He was ballparking Erasmus and not Stephanie Meyer. As clumsily as he spoke, he didn't call them illiterate. The Chinese on their best day do not doubt that the State can erase people and ideas: this is the scariest thing about them.

    The Chinese on their best day do not doubt that the State can erase people and ideas: this is the scariest thing about them.

    That is not unique to them and it has manifested everywhere where humans have existed. Heck, does Amazon book banning not ring a bell?

    Listen, I share your Sinophobia, but…

    I’m not sure that he said that they couldn’t read, you’re dragging that through the space he left with the useless phrase “intellectual tradition.” He was ballparking Erasmus and not Stephanie Meyer. As clumsily as he spoke, he didn’t call them illiterate.

    You are going out of your way to justify something that is clearly false. This is exactly what he wrote:

    Asians don’t have much of an intellectual tradition of libraries or making great library collections the way Westerners do.

    Asians had libraries long before “Westerners”* did.

    *Sure, yes, Greeks and Romans had libraries, but “Westerners” in the modern sense refer to Western Europeans, mostly descendants of Germanic peoples, who demolished the earlier Greek and Roman civilizations and only later, in their moment of triumph, imagined themselves as the heirs of the civilizations their forebears destroyed.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    >he specifically did say thay they didn't have libraries
    Oh.
    How about we forget about his argument and look at mine?
    , @Sam Coulton

    *Sure, yes, Greeks and Romans had libraries, but “Westerners” in the modern sense refer to Western Europeans, mostly descendants of Germanic peoples, who demolished the earlier Greek and Roman civilizations and only later, in their moment of triumph, imagined themselves as the heirs of the civilizations their forebears destroyed.
     
    Rome was not destroyed by "Germanic people" but by race-mixed proles, government employees, usurers, feminists, etc, much like the USA was. When the Germanic people invaded Rome they encountered a miscegentated population in which proles greatly outnumbered the original founding elite, what was genetically and phenotypically similar to Germanics. That is why Italians today are nothing like Romans and do not resemble them.
    , @Aufklærer108

    Germanic peoples, who demolished the earlier Greek and Roman civilizations
     
    That's a gross over-simplification, to put it mildly. The 'demolition' you imagine cannot have been near complete, much of the stuff is still there, serving as a reminder and an inspiration for renaissances. It was not Germanic people that burnt down the Hagia Sophia...

    Has there ever been a successful 'renaissance' in China (or Viet Nam, for that matter)?
  169. @Bucky
    South Asian Indians certainly are heavily caste-biased in their behavior. Everyone comes at the ideology with their own cultural baggage. The whites are channeling the spirit of the crusaders. The Asians are assimilating. The Indians are using it as stratification. For that matter, this is reason to be wary of Kamala Harris' Indian side.

    But I don't think East Asian sjw are true believers. This is East Asian assimilationist deferential behavior. Even Asians on the right wing end of the sphere never really have anything interesting to say except to repeat the talking points pioneered by white right wingers. There is a pair of Asian right wing youtubers called the Asian capitalists who talk about the "day of the rope" all the time without realizing what a day of the rope would imply for them and their families.

    >East Asians would be in danger on a day of the rope
    First of all, no, second of all, not even close, third of all, hell no, fourth of all this term comes from a specific time and place and its original implenters were Dominicans. It never meant death to non-whites, it refers to an extreme case where even partial assimilation is impossible.

  170. @Twinkie

    The Chinese on their best day do not doubt that the State can erase people and ideas: this is the scariest thing about them.
     
    That is not unique to them and it has manifested everywhere where humans have existed. Heck, does Amazon book banning not ring a bell?

    Listen, I share your Sinophobia, but...


    I’m not sure that he said that they couldn’t read, you’re dragging that through the space he left with the useless phrase “intellectual tradition.” He was ballparking Erasmus and not Stephanie Meyer. As clumsily as he spoke, he didn’t call them illiterate.
     
    You are going out of your way to justify something that is clearly false. This is exactly what he wrote:

    Asians don’t have much of an intellectual tradition of libraries or making great library collections the way Westerners do.
     
    Asians had libraries long before "Westerners"* did.

    *Sure, yes, Greeks and Romans had libraries, but "Westerners" in the modern sense refer to Western Europeans, mostly descendants of Germanic peoples, who demolished the earlier Greek and Roman civilizations and only later, in their moment of triumph, imagined themselves as the heirs of the civilizations their forebears destroyed.

    >he specifically did say thay they didn’t have libraries
    Oh.
    How about we forget about his argument and look at mine?

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    How about we forget about his argument and look at mine?
     
    I share your loathing for China's regime and its suppression of dissent.

    On the other hand, there is something to be said about the fact that its regime seems to want to make its country strong and its people more affluent while our rulers pursue policies that immiserate the middle class and destroy its (highly successful, I might add) traditions and culture.
  171. Anon[385] • Disclaimer says:
    @El Dato

    She has a book contract with MIT Press, something about the intersection of critical race theory and library and information science.
     
    That's the problematic part about MIT Press. Sometimes they have good technical & engineering and even "soft sciences" stuff but all too often they publish half-baked philosophical digressions that would be better presented in a TED talk or in a softcover on the Malcom Gladwell shelf than within hardcovers priced at USD ++30.

    Still there seems to be no book out by Miss Leung. Yet.


    are written by white dudes writing about white ideas, white things, or ideas, people, and things they stole from POC and then claimed as white property
     
    Neo discovers that his white space is being invaded:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGZiLMGdCE0

    Still there seems to be no book out by Miss Leung. Yet.

    I got that from a Google result that contained a blurb from her Twitter account; the account itself is private now, but Google has not had time to recrawl everything and clear out the old tweets. She said she and a guy named Jorge will be the authors. Her book is probably just a proposal outline at this point, so MIT Press wouldn’t be publicizing it until at least a draft manuscript materializes.

  172. I have two nieces. One a twentysomething and one a thirtysomething. The thirtysomething has a masters in classics, the other some kind of community college training. Both are as white as white can be, both are as left as left can be, no children, sham marriages. Both are librarians, one on Washington state one on Ohio. I can see both dumbheads taking part in this conversation of “librarians”.

  173. Librarians as a group appear to be the ultimate trend monkeys, hopping on a theme after a good long stare at the Zeitgeist.
    They are not original or daring and with a nod to Lee Jussim the anti stereotype King, the stereotype of the careful, squirrely Librarian seems to fit.
    Here is a list of banned books from the ALA(American Library Association) cite:
    Top Ten Most Challenged books according to Librarians
    http://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks/top10

    I don’t see any of the books recently banned by Amazon?

  174. @Sandy Berger's Socks
    I've wondered how long it would take the creeps to notice that libraries are full of naughty books.

    If a statue of Robert E. Lee, or some other dead white guy, can be deemed unfit for the public square, how long until their biographies suffer a similar fate at the public library?

    I hope I'm wrong.

    I’ve wondered how long it would take the creeps to notice that libraries are full of naughty books.

    The book burnings will continue until morale improves. No, wait. The book burnings will continue until all the marginalized groups will “Crush the Patriarchy”(tm), no wait, that should be ‘will have “Crushed the Patriarchy”(tm) and danced on the grave of the Patriarch(s).

    So wherever Abe, Yitzak and Jacobus were buried, there look for the dancing.

    And, of course, the Lion will lie down with the Lamb right then too.

  175. @dfordoom

    But asian females hating on white guys? Where does that anger even come from?
     
    What we're seeing is assimilation in action. These Asian females have fully assimilated into modern American society. They are simply reflecting that they see as modern western values.

    The problem here is that we have people coming from relatively healthy societies (in East Asia) coming to the West and assimilating to a very very sick society. Assimilation is a bad thing anyway (it's cultural genocide) but it becomes truly tragic when the host society is diseased.

    White people have taught these Asian females to be SJWs.

    White people have taught these Asian females to be SJWs.

    Stupid white people have taught these Asian females to be SJWs. – TFIFY

    • Replies: @dfordoom


    White people have taught these Asian females to be SJWs.
     
    Stupid white people have taught these Asian females to be SJWs. – TFIFY
     
    Our sick white civilisation has taught these Asian females to be SJWs.
  176. @Hail
    https://libapps.s3.amazonaws.com/accounts/123462/profiles/116036/sofial-100x100.jpg

    Case closed.

    https://libraries.mit.edu/img/staff-photos/sofial-100x100.jpg

    https://avatars.sched.co/0/F0/3108866/avatar.jpg

    You play the hand you are dealt, and she has parlayed the puss-oozing-sore ideology of our time into a sweet gig.

    Just because she excites disgust and revulsion doesn’t mean she isn’t smart. She might have been a productive member of society had the Left been marginalized and defeated.

    • Replies: @Hail

    She might have been a productive member of society had the Left been marginalized and defeated.
     
    I agree with this (or, more strictly speaking I should say "I could readily agree" with it, being that I don't know much about Sofia Leung), and would hope that most people of good conscience here would too.

    What do we know about this person, Sofia Leung? I don't know much and don't care to, but I would cautiously say I've seen enough to say she is anti-White. Whence the anti-White-ism? It may just Sofia is naught but an extreme 'follower,' of power. Change the political conditions, and she'd be a fanatic on behalf of something else, whatever else was in power. A religion, maybe.

    Alternatively, Sofia Leung really is motivated primarily by (let's call it) ethnocentrism, a trait indeed possessed in spades by many an East Asian (so observered down through the ages); in her case, maybe something in her personality made the typical ethnocentrism turn malignant and vicious.

    Probbaly both things are at play (as usual, monocausalists always have a weaker hand), though it is unlikely an even 50-50. The former (being a 'follower' of power) is decidedly more likely to contribute a lot more, especially in this case -- if we are permitted to make a sweeping judgment on incomplete information.

    I admit this is all a hard hypothesis to test, so take this comment for what it's worth.

  177. Anonymous[497] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Johnson County Library started aggressive weeding in the late 1990s. Now their collection is mostly Spanish language books that never circulate, dry vagina romance novels, bad SF, biographies, and a smattering of the least useful books in science, technology, mechanics, DIY, et al.

    The most obnoxious SJW materials do seem to vanish, somehow, though. I'm thinking someone is walking out with them in a bag made of RF proof cloth (there is such a thing) and chucking them into nearby ponds covered in goose shit, or burning them in his fireplace, but of course I have no way of knowing if that is really what is happening.

    ‘dry vagina romance novels, ‘

    Great band name

  178. The internet is coming under the control of totalitarian forces around the world. How much easier it will be to lock down and filter the internet and delete all digital copies of forbidden works than to burn all the physical copies out in the real world. Therefore it is incumbent on Steve to assemble and publish an anthology of his best work in physical book form before it is too late. Everyone here would buy the book, and some could be hidden in attics or buried in backyards. Maybe a few will survive the new Dark Age. And there might be canticles for others besides Leibowitz.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Maybe the Israelis can put a copy on board their next moon probe. The last one crash landed so I don't know whether the stuff that they put on board that one survived the crash or not. There is a plan to scatter some key information all around the solar system in case we screw up and accidentally destroy all life on planet earth. Maybe there will some bad code in the AI system for making paper clips the way there was bad code in MCAS and the AI will convert everything on the planet into paper clips.
  179. Anonymous[497] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    SJW led book burning at one of America’s top universities
     

    Never, because of the too-obvious parallels with the Nazis
     
    The joke's really on them, because from what I understand the actual book burnings of the 1930s Germany were ceremonial; a state-sanctioned political mega-statement. They were not a literal, huge-scale attempt to eradicate knowledge or something out of Ray Bradbury (a typical distortion in cheap, "prole-feed" anti-Nazi propaganda).

    We have large-scale, regime-sanctioned, ceremonial denouncings of political content here in the digital era, too. In other words, they're already doing it.

    ‘The joke’s really on them, because from what I understand the actual book burnings of the 1930s Germany were ceremonial; a state-sanctioned political mega-statement. They were not a literal, huge-scale attempt to eradicate knowledge or something out of Ray Bradbury (a typical distortion in cheap, “prole-feed” anti-Nazi propaganda).’

    But what about all of the chambers where books were gassed? Why are we not allowed to dig up the ramians of millions of burned books? Oh cremation doesnt work that way you say

    Your a Nahtzee

  180. Anonymous[497] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    Stop looking at it as being a matter of legitimate grievance. This sort of screamingly dishonest, civil war level internal hostility is how most human societies work, except that their venality is balanced by that of other tribes or clans. "You murdered our ancestors at the Battle of X!" "Oh, you want to talk about battles, we should talk about the Battle of Y!" "Tell you what, give us a few jobs from the new factory and we'll go away." Etc.. What we are seeing is the inevitable result of no-trust societies doing what they have always done, pretty much on instinct, but lucking into finding a high-trust society with no defenses against this bunco. Imagine a kid with a pocketful of laughably un-quarter-like slugs, who stumbles across the one candy machine with a severely outdated slot.
    This also means that being nice to them is pointless.

    Agree

  181. @Steve Sailer
    The first presenter told us that “folx” is ok, but make sure to spell it with an “x.”

    Did he/she/they explain why?

    When Obama said "folks" all the time, was he doing it to be "folksy" or "folxy"?

    Steve, He/Him (previously She/Her) said something like “that makes it acceptable,” if I recall.

    The presenters were sharing some research regarding transgender student survey data. One of the respondents said their gender was “Androgynous/Genderfucky.”

    I checked my notes and I actually tried to write down what the presenter said about “y’all.” I wrote: “We think it’s inclusive, but someday we’ll learn in what ways it may be harmful.”

    From the presentation:

    Recommendations surrounding pronouns
    • Pronouns are never preferred
    • When in doubt:
    – Ask: What are your pronouns?
    – Use gender neutral pronouns they/them/their
    • Do not assume someone’s pronouns just because of the way they are dressed
    • Asking for someone’s pronouns is encouraged, but respect their silence if they choose not to tell you
    • When someone tells you their pronouns, respect and use them

    and

    Student Quote
    I think it’s one of those things where if there were options on the forms to indicate that I was [transgender], it would have been cool. Also, it would not have been cool because then I probably would have been discriminated against for being [transgender] and then have no way to prove that – Ellery

    • Replies: @El Dato

    Recommendations surrounding pronouns
    • Pronouns are never preferred
    • When in doubt:
    – Ask: What are your pronouns?
    – Use gender neutral pronouns they/them/their
    • Do not assume someone’s pronouns just because of the way they are dressed
    • Asking for someone’s pronouns is encouraged, but respect their silence if they choose not to tell you
    • When someone tells you their pronouns, respect and use them
     
    This is behaviour you have to exhibit towards the Greatest Super Rabbis At The Top Of The Max Elevation Super Temple Who Have Managed To Be Nearerest the Little Toe of God The Most and who can have you put to death most horribly if you just look at them cross-eyed.

    HOLY HOLY HOLY

  182. @Steve Sailer
    More or less gay white men probably contributed proportionally more to Western civilization than anybody else.

    More or less gay white men probably contributed proportionally more to Western civilization than anybody else.

    Please list your ‘gay white men’ roster. We want to know whether Cicero, Julius Caesar, Augustus, Jesus, Seneca, Nerva, Trajan, Hadrian, Antoninus Pius, Marcus Aurelius, Athanasius, Constantine, Augustine, Boethius, Belisarius, Charles Martel, Longfrank, Anselm, Thomas Becket, Peter Abelard, Thomas Aquinas, and I could go on, but let us begin with them.

    Are any, or all of them on your list?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    From your list: Hadrian.

    And surely, Plato belongs on anybody's list of Western Civ big guys.

    , @Marcus Gohl
    In your list, I recognize at least 3 men with homosexual tendencies. The first one is Emperor Trajan. He was considered by the Romans as their best emperor. They called him "Optimus Princeps," that means “the best ruler”. The emperors after him, who took office in the Senate heard:

    “Be luckier than Augustus, and better than Trajan”
     
    Under his command the empire reached its territorial peak. He was described as a great warrior, down to earth, pragmatic and efficient, hungry for conquests. A hypermasculine man. But also a very affable personality . He was the best emperor as a human being. From Cassius Dio:

    "He was most conspicous for his justice, for his bravery, and for the simplicity of his habits... He did not envy or slay any one, but honoured and exalted all good men without exception, and hence he neither feared nor hated any of them. To slanders he paid very little heed, and he was no slave of anger. He refrained from taking other people's money, and from unjust murders. He expended vast sums on wars and vast sums on works of peace; and while making very many urgently needed repairs to roads and harbours and public buildings, he drained no one's blood in any of these undertakings... He joined others in the chase and in banquets, as well as in their labours and plans and jests... He would enter the houses of citizens, sometimes even without a guard, and enjoy himself there. Education in the strictest sense he lacked, but its substance he both knew and applied.”
     
    But of course, no one is perfect. Dio describes his two main weaknesses, his addiction to alcohol and boys:

    “I know, of course, that he was devoted to boys and wine. And if he had ever committed or endured any base or wicked act as the result of these practices, he would have incurred censure. As it was however, he drank all the wine he wanted, yet remained sober. And in his relations with boys he harmed no one."
     
    His successor, Hadrian, also proved to be a great emperor. He was a man who had intellectual interests and also a great esthete. He developed a intense passion for a young Greek named Antinous. Antinous had a tragic death, drowning in the Nile. Hadrian was devastated. He built an entire city in honor of Antinous. And made him a popular god throughout the empire. Perhaps his love for Antinous was the most intense in all Roman history. The guy lost his mind, and became pathetic at the roman eyes. From the last pagan emperor Julian Apostate, on his book "The Caesars" :

    "Next entered an austere-looking man5 with a long beard, an adept in all the arts, but especially music, one who was always gazing at the heavens and prying into hidden things. Silenus when he saw him said, “What think ye of this sophist? Can he be looking here for Antinous? One of you should tell him that the youth is not here, and make him cease from his madness and folly.” Thereupon entered a man6 of temperate character, I do not say in love affairs but in affairs of state. ”7
     
    I see that you have chosen important figures in Christianity as great representatives of the West. Well, there are theories that homosexuals are inclined to become priests in different religions, regardless of culture, the so called “gay shaman theory”. But the Catholic church in particular has always been attractive to homosexuals. The lack of marital obligations as well as male exclusivity in many places, has obviously always attracted many gays. Of course, the scriptures condemn homosexuality, but hypocrisy reigns. Only nowadays do we see how gay the Catholic Church is, and let's face it, there's no reason not to expect the same from the church in the past.
    Among the names you cited a good example is the Anselm of Canterbury. Look at some of his love letters:

    “ And now, this Gundulf and Anselm is witness that I and thou are never so in want of each other as that we must needs prove our mutual affection by letters. For since thy spirit and mine can never bear to be absent from each other, but unceasingly are intertwined; we mutually need nothing from each other, save that we are not together in bodily presence. But why should I depict to thee on paper my affection, since thou dost carefully keep its exact image in the cell of thy heart? For what is thy love for me but the image of mine for thee? Therefore thy known wish induces me to write somewhat to thee on account of our bodily separation; but since we are known to each other by the presence together of our spirits, I know not what to say to thee, save – may God do with thee as He knoweth shall please him, and be profitable to thee. Farewell.”
     
    Or:

    “sweet to me, sweetest friend, are the gifts of your sweetness, but they cannot begin to console my desolate heart for its want of your love. Even if you sent every scent of perfume, every glitter of metal, every precious gem, every texture of cloth, still it could not make up to my soul for this separation unless it returned the separated other half.
    The anguish of my heart just thinking about this bears witness, as do the tears dimming my eyes and wetting my face and the fingers writing this.
    You recognized, as I do now, my love for you, but I did not. Our separation from each other has shown me how much I loved you; a man does not in fact have knowledge of good and evil unless he has experienced both. Not having experienced your absence, I did not realize how sweet it was to be with you and how bitter to be without you.
    But you have gained from our very separation the company of someone else, whom you love no less – or even more – than me; while I have lost you, and there is no one to take your place. You are thus enjoying your consolation, while nothing is left to me but heartbreak.”
     
  183. @J.Ross
    If that hasn't happened already, and meanwhile the Han are CRISPRing the Kwisatz Haderach.

    the Kwisatz Haderach

    A false messiah will not save them.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    They are working their way toward a future where every child will be a 130+ math whiz with a polished up genome, taught in rigorous schools and inculcated with a fierce love of their country. (BTW, once you have tuned up the germ lines of both parents, chances are their children will need very little tuning if any - the improvements are permanent.)

    We are working our way toward an idiocratic future where every child will be Jussie Smollett or Kim Foxx and their teachers will be more of the same.

    Who is the one worshipping a false messiah?

    Now in the movies, it would turn out that CRISPRing your kids will have some horrible side effect - they will be mutants with 3 eyes who want to murder their parents. That's in the movies. In real life they will grow straight and strong like GMO soybeans.
  184. “THIS IS LIBRARY!!”

  185. @Spangel
    Where is this author from? I’m guessing the majority of books in Chinese and Japanese libraries aren’t written by white people.

    Oppression is now the fact that the English language was created by a white nation and spoken by this white nation for a thousand years before other people spoke it. One would expect that most of the books in predominantly English language libraries would be written by whites if only because most of the words native English speakers were white until fairly recently.

    You will Crimestop your Crimethink if you know what’s good for you.

  186. @Smithsonian
    "When exactly did Asians become “people of color”?"

    When it was in their interest to do so.

    Meanwhile, my Asian in-laws have opinions about black people that would make Genghis Kahn blush.

    Asians I know (I mean real Asians located in Asia) are among the most viscerally racist people I have met in my entire life. They are quite up front about it.

    Or maybe they just notice patterns.

  187. @dfordoom

    I think one factor in the devolution of the West is that we have turned our societal compass over to academics. Painting with a broad brush, these folks are probably more likely to be societal outsiders, and thus they have no love for “traditional” Western society.
     
    The "intellectual" first emerged as a distinct species in the 18th century. Those 18th century intellectuals wanted to destroy their own civilisation, and they especially wanted to destroy Christianity. They were motivated by hatred and jealousy.

    Intellectuals haven't changed. They always have been and always will be enemies of the entire western cultural, philosophic and religious tradition.

    • Replies: @Anon
    That's a great book. I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to see leftist intellectuals with their masks off.
  188. @Steve Sailer
    More or less gay white men probably contributed proportionally more to Western civilization than anybody else.

    Probably more on the less side, though also less than straight. IIRC, the crazy dude who wrote so much of the OED castrated himself so he could focus more on his (extraordinary) work.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5932728/

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25019.The_Professor_and_the_Madman

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    "He that hath wife and children hath given hostages to fortune; for they are impediments to great enterprises, either of virtue or mischief. Certainly the best works, and of greatest merit for the public, have proceeded from the unmarried or childless men; which both in affection and means, have married and endowed the public. Yet it were great reason that those that have children, should have greatest care of future times; unto which they know they must transmit their dearest pledges.

    Certainly wife and children are a kind of discipline of humanity; and single men, though they may be many times more charitable, because their means are less exhaust, yet, on the other side, they are more cruel and hardhearted (good to make severe inquisitors), because their tenderness is not so oft called upon."

    - Bacon, Of Marriage and Single Life
  189. @Desiderius
    Probably more on the less side, though also less than straight. IIRC, the crazy dude who wrote so much of the OED castrated himself so he could focus more on his (extraordinary) work.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5932728/

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25019.The_Professor_and_the_Madman

    “He that hath wife and children hath given hostages to fortune; for they are impediments to great enterprises, either of virtue or mischief. Certainly the best works, and of greatest merit for the public, have proceeded from the unmarried or childless men; which both in affection and means, have married and endowed the public. Yet it were great reason that those that have children, should have greatest care of future times; unto which they know they must transmit their dearest pledges.

    Certainly wife and children are a kind of discipline of humanity; and single men, though they may be many times more charitable, because their means are less exhaust, yet, on the other side, they are more cruel and hardhearted (good to make severe inquisitors), because their tenderness is not so oft called upon.”

    – Bacon, Of Marriage and Single Life

  190. Is “folx” just text message spelling for “folks”

    ¡It’s time for folxlórico!

    Expanding traditions: LGBTQ folklórico takes to the stage

  191. @Desiderius
    "He that hath wife and children hath given hostages to fortune; for they are impediments to great enterprises, either of virtue or mischief. Certainly the best works, and of greatest merit for the public, have proceeded from the unmarried or childless men; which both in affection and means, have married and endowed the public. Yet it were great reason that those that have children, should have greatest care of future times; unto which they know they must transmit their dearest pledges.

    Certainly wife and children are a kind of discipline of humanity; and single men, though they may be many times more charitable, because their means are less exhaust, yet, on the other side, they are more cruel and hardhearted (good to make severe inquisitors), because their tenderness is not so oft called upon."

    - Bacon, Of Marriage and Single Life
  192. @Twinkie

    The Chinese on their best day do not doubt that the State can erase people and ideas: this is the scariest thing about them.
     
    That is not unique to them and it has manifested everywhere where humans have existed. Heck, does Amazon book banning not ring a bell?

    Listen, I share your Sinophobia, but...


    I’m not sure that he said that they couldn’t read, you’re dragging that through the space he left with the useless phrase “intellectual tradition.” He was ballparking Erasmus and not Stephanie Meyer. As clumsily as he spoke, he didn’t call them illiterate.
     
    You are going out of your way to justify something that is clearly false. This is exactly what he wrote:

    Asians don’t have much of an intellectual tradition of libraries or making great library collections the way Westerners do.
     
    Asians had libraries long before "Westerners"* did.

    *Sure, yes, Greeks and Romans had libraries, but "Westerners" in the modern sense refer to Western Europeans, mostly descendants of Germanic peoples, who demolished the earlier Greek and Roman civilizations and only later, in their moment of triumph, imagined themselves as the heirs of the civilizations their forebears destroyed.

    *Sure, yes, Greeks and Romans had libraries, but “Westerners” in the modern sense refer to Western Europeans, mostly descendants of Germanic peoples, who demolished the earlier Greek and Roman civilizations and only later, in their moment of triumph, imagined themselves as the heirs of the civilizations their forebears destroyed.

    Rome was not destroyed by “Germanic people” but by race-mixed proles, government employees, usurers, feminists, etc, much like the USA was. When the Germanic people invaded Rome they encountered a miscegentated population in which proles greatly outnumbered the original founding elite, what was genetically and phenotypically similar to Germanics. That is why Italians today are nothing like Romans and do not resemble them.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    the original founding elite, what was genetically and phenotypically similar to Germanics.
     
    No. DNA evidence says otherwise.

    That is why Italians today are nothing like Romans and do not resemble them.
     
    On the contrary, the Italian peninsula has some interesting and variegated pockets of ancestry clusters, many of which seem to date from very far back in time.

    Instead of spouting nonsense, read the latest genetics studies. Try Razib Khan's blog.
  193. @Hail

    SJW led book burning at one of America’s top universities
     

    Never, because of the too-obvious parallels with the Nazis
     
    The joke's really on them, because from what I understand the actual book burnings of the 1930s Germany were ceremonial; a state-sanctioned political mega-statement. They were not a literal, huge-scale attempt to eradicate knowledge or something out of Ray Bradbury (a typical distortion in cheap, "prole-feed" anti-Nazi propaganda).

    We have large-scale, regime-sanctioned, ceremonial denouncings of political content here in the digital era, too. In other words, they're already doing it.

    No, that is a common myth. The book burnings were carried out spontaneously by students. The government basically appeared at the end and tried to pretend it had some part in organizing it, but it was carried out by German students out of their own volition.

  194. @Daniel H
    Give it time, in a few years our young will be lectured to that Whiteness is a waste of a life itself, and that maybe they should just get on with removing themselves, somehow, from the scene.

    Some of our elites intuit this already. How else does one explain the near total indifference to approximately 50,000 white people offing themselves every year through fentanyl/heroin. Substances that are manufactured and trafficked by brown and yellow people.

    Perhaps people have already gotten the message subconsciously, hence the low white birthrates even in countries with little diversity and plenty of government subsidy like Norway.

    It would be quite something, wouldn’t it, if the Eye of Intersectionality was turned the other way, and we could discuss “substances trafficked by brown and yellow people that kill 50,000 white people every year” in the same way the anti-white left discusses “police brutality against black and brown bodies”. There is still rhetorical potential in turning their weapons against them. The problem is the platform to do so, they have achieved almost complete control over public discourse. Soon all social media will be gridlocked by algorithms and a vast network of moderators that will not allow any unorthodox thought from proliferating. It sounds like crazy talk but this is literally happening. And before long they will pass laws to make it illegal to even host this content, and then it’s bye bye 4chan, unz.com, and any other outpost with a not-infinitesimal audience. The promise of the internet as a source of true freedom of information will have been but a quick-lived flame.

  195. @jcd1974
    Usually it's only the ugly Asian women who embrace the SJW agenda. The good looking ones know they are a hot commodity and aren't about to give that up in the name of social justice.

    Especially since hot, successful white guys tend to not be SJWs and come from at least somewhat conservative families, and hot Asian women with a legitimate shot at hot, successful white guys instinctively understand that he won’t marry her if he thinks her views are going to be a problem with him and his family. That’s my theory at least.

  196. @Steve Sailer
    More or less gay white men probably contributed proportionally more to Western civilization than anybody else.

    Assuming it’s true that gay men are created by excessive in utero exposure to certain hormones (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3296090/), their disproportionate success in the arts could have to do with the advantage of possessing a feminized male i.e. androgynous brain. The aesthetic instincts and emotional sensitivity of a woman, combined with the competitive drive and obsessiveness of a man. The Victorians called such individuals ‘Uranians’ (no jokes, now).

  197. I’m half Japanese, and have long been interested in the art and literature of Japan. One thing I find fascinating is how immediately the Japanese took to Western “white people” art once they became widely exposed to it. Kurosawa eagerly and happily adapted everything from Shakespeare (Macbeth and King Lear) to Ed McBain crime novels to the silver screen. Far from resenting the greatness of Western culture, he gorged on it, used as the scaffolding and foundation of his own classic films.

    Likewise, Yukio Mishima was obsessed with Western literature, everything from Shakespeare, Dostoyevsky and Nietzsche to the ancient Greeks (Plato in particular). The same is true of practically every “person of Color” who ever did anything noteworthy in the arts. Scott Joplin’s ragtime melodies derive in part from his close study of Chopin.

    These spiteful, vindictive, envious, resentful, hate-filled SJW pieces of trash will, if successful, destroy not only “white” culture, but ALL culture, regardless of its racial or ethnic origin. You can’t create anything of value if you refuse to read anything written by Dead White Males and only turn to fifth rate trash written by your fellow SJWs for inspiration.

    • Agree: Roderick Spode
    • Replies: @White Guy In Japan
    On top of that, a lot of Asian/non-white SJW sorts seems to be upset at the sexist/racist/bad aspects of their non-Western culture and project it onto the West/whites. Railing against "men" when they men Indian/African men, etc.
  198. She made it to RT

    Why stop at burning books, when libraries themselves are ‘sites of whiteness,’ librarian suggests

    Completely unrelated:

    How to deal with a Librarian in Metro 2033

    • Agree: jim jones
  199. @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

    More or less gay white men probably contributed proportionally more to Western civilization than anybody else.
     
    Please list your 'gay white men' roster. We want to know whether Cicero, Julius Caesar, Augustus, Jesus, Seneca, Nerva, Trajan, Hadrian, Antoninus Pius, Marcus Aurelius, Athanasius, Constantine, Augustine, Boethius, Belisarius, Charles Martel, Longfrank, Anselm, Thomas Becket, Peter Abelard, Thomas Aquinas, and I could go on, but let us begin with them.

    Are any, or all of them on your list?

    From your list: Hadrian.

    And surely, Plato belongs on anybody’s list of Western Civ big guys.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Julius Caesar was almost certainly bisexual; there was simply too much graffiti about it to think otherwise. Either Catullus himself (also bi) claimed to have had a fling with Caesar, or else that was the gossip, I forget which.

    Catullus is an interesting case regarding cultural influence. He was popular in his day, but his works were lost very early on and were not re-discovered until centuries later; so he had very little direct influence on later Western poetry, which developed without direct exposure to him, but perhaps a Latinist critic around these parts could tell us how much indirect influence he had.

    He sounds astonishingly modern: catty and intimate and gossipy and quite funny, like a Roman Frank O'Hara.
  200. @Desiderius
    https://www.amazon.com/Intellectuals-Paul-Johnson/dp/0060160500

    That’s a great book. I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to see leftist intellectuals with their masks off.

  201. @Twinkie

    The Chinese on their best day do not doubt that the State can erase people and ideas: this is the scariest thing about them.
     
    That is not unique to them and it has manifested everywhere where humans have existed. Heck, does Amazon book banning not ring a bell?

    Listen, I share your Sinophobia, but...


    I’m not sure that he said that they couldn’t read, you’re dragging that through the space he left with the useless phrase “intellectual tradition.” He was ballparking Erasmus and not Stephanie Meyer. As clumsily as he spoke, he didn’t call them illiterate.
     
    You are going out of your way to justify something that is clearly false. This is exactly what he wrote:

    Asians don’t have much of an intellectual tradition of libraries or making great library collections the way Westerners do.
     
    Asians had libraries long before "Westerners"* did.

    *Sure, yes, Greeks and Romans had libraries, but "Westerners" in the modern sense refer to Western Europeans, mostly descendants of Germanic peoples, who demolished the earlier Greek and Roman civilizations and only later, in their moment of triumph, imagined themselves as the heirs of the civilizations their forebears destroyed.

    Germanic peoples, who demolished the earlier Greek and Roman civilizations

    That’s a gross over-simplification, to put it mildly. The ‘demolition’ you imagine cannot have been near complete, much of the stuff is still there, serving as a reminder and an inspiration for renaissances. It was not Germanic people that burnt down the Hagia Sophia…

    Has there ever been a successful ‘renaissance’ in China (or Viet Nam, for that matter)?

    • Replies: @Jack D

    The ‘demolition’ you imagine cannot have been near complete, much of the stuff is still there, serving as a reminder and an inspiration for renaissances
     
    The demolition (or more often just sheer and utter neglect) was pretty damn complete. The few buildings that are preserved intact from antiquity exist mainly because they were converted to churches. Otherwise, they were considered to be fair game for use as stone quarries. Or else they just left them in place and eventually an earthquake would take them down.

    It was mostly the case that they just didn't have any use for these large and elaborate structures - temples to gods who were no longer worshipped. Baths and gymnasiums for people who no longer bathed or worked out. It really doesn't take long for a structure to fall into ruin if it is not being maintained - in the US there are shopping malls that were built in the 1970s that are already abandoned and falling into ruin because our society no longer has a use for them. The Romans used much better materials - chances are that 2,000 years from now not a lick will remain of the junk that we build today.
  202. @Sam Coulton

    *Sure, yes, Greeks and Romans had libraries, but “Westerners” in the modern sense refer to Western Europeans, mostly descendants of Germanic peoples, who demolished the earlier Greek and Roman civilizations and only later, in their moment of triumph, imagined themselves as the heirs of the civilizations their forebears destroyed.
     
    Rome was not destroyed by "Germanic people" but by race-mixed proles, government employees, usurers, feminists, etc, much like the USA was. When the Germanic people invaded Rome they encountered a miscegentated population in which proles greatly outnumbered the original founding elite, what was genetically and phenotypically similar to Germanics. That is why Italians today are nothing like Romans and do not resemble them.

    the original founding elite, what was genetically and phenotypically similar to Germanics.

    No. DNA evidence says otherwise.

    That is why Italians today are nothing like Romans and do not resemble them.

    On the contrary, the Italian peninsula has some interesting and variegated pockets of ancestry clusters, many of which seem to date from very far back in time.

    Instead of spouting nonsense, read the latest genetics studies. Try Razib Khan’s blog.

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton

    No. DNA evidence says otherwise.
     
    No it does not, you can provide a single source to support that claim. Physical evidence in the form of re-colorized statues also shows very clearly that the Roman elite were of a Nordic and north-central European appearance.
  203. @J.Ross
    >he specifically did say thay they didn't have libraries
    Oh.
    How about we forget about his argument and look at mine?

    How about we forget about his argument and look at mine?

    I share your loathing for China’s regime and its suppression of dissent.

    On the other hand, there is something to be said about the fact that its regime seems to want to make its country strong and its people more affluent while our rulers pursue policies that immiserate the middle class and destroy its (highly successful, I might add) traditions and culture.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon, Ibound1
    • Replies: @Jack D
    I understand what you are trying to say but honestly the #1 concern of the Party (and the #2 and #3) is self-preservation. If this requires that the people be rich or poor or whatever, they'll do it but the real goal is clinging to power doing whatever it takes.

    I also hate it when people compare our leaders to China's or Russia's or Israel's or whomever's and find them wanting. Each country has its own conditions and has to be ruled in accordance with them - an American President can't rule like Putin and Putin can't rule like an American President. All in all we have a pretty damn good system and if it can be made better it won't be by emulating some other place.
    , @Johann Ricke

    On the other hand, there is something to be said about the fact that its regime seems to want to make its country strong and its people more affluent
     
    China's leaders want to enrich themselves and write their names in the history books. China's economy has been booming for decades for a number of reasons, but chief among these reasons is what Chinese in China share with Chinese emigres everywhere - high IQ and high perseverance. If China's leaders presided over a population of Nigerians, the economy would resemble Nigeria's. Equally, if Nigeria's leaders ruled over a population of Chinese, that economy would likely resemble China's.
  204. @ferd
    Steve, He/Him (previously She/Her) said something like "that makes it acceptable," if I recall.

    The presenters were sharing some research regarding transgender student survey data. One of the respondents said their gender was "Androgynous/Genderfucky."

    I checked my notes and I actually tried to write down what the presenter said about "y'all." I wrote: "We think it's inclusive, but someday we'll learn in what ways it may be harmful."

    From the presentation:

    Recommendations surrounding pronouns
    • Pronouns are never preferred
    • When in doubt:
    – Ask: What are your pronouns?
    – Use gender neutral pronouns they/them/their
    • Do not assume someone’s pronouns just because of the way they are dressed
    • Asking for someone’s pronouns is encouraged, but respect their silence if they choose not to tell you
    • When someone tells you their pronouns, respect and use them

    and

    Student Quote
    I think it’s one of those things where if there were options on the forms to indicate that I was [transgender], it would have been cool. Also, it would not have been cool because then I probably would have been discriminated against for being [transgender] and then have no way to prove that - Ellery

    Recommendations surrounding pronouns
    • Pronouns are never preferred
    • When in doubt:
    – Ask: What are your pronouns?
    – Use gender neutral pronouns they/them/their
    • Do not assume someone’s pronouns just because of the way they are dressed
    • Asking for someone’s pronouns is encouraged, but respect their silence if they choose not to tell you
    • When someone tells you their pronouns, respect and use them

    This is behaviour you have to exhibit towards the Greatest Super Rabbis At The Top Of The Max Elevation Super Temple Who Have Managed To Be Nearerest the Little Toe of God The Most and who can have you put to death most horribly if you just look at them cross-eyed.

    HOLY HOLY HOLY

    • Replies: @Jack D
    It's also a ploy for finding out who is with you and who is agin' you. Those who are woke will play along - if you are super woke you don't even need these instructions because you already know how to play the game. Those who are not woke won't play along - either they don't know the secret code and are too stupid to follow the elaborate instructions (ignorant hicks) or even worse they refuse to play along and insist in a reactionary way on using pronouns based on whether the person they are addressing was born with a penis or a vagina (can you imagine?). If the Party is not in a position to punish them immediately (and increasingly it is) then this is duly noted in their dossiers and will be remembered later on.
  205. @Steve Sailer
    From your list: Hadrian.

    And surely, Plato belongs on anybody's list of Western Civ big guys.

    Julius Caesar was almost certainly bisexual; there was simply too much graffiti about it to think otherwise. Either Catullus himself (also bi) claimed to have had a fling with Caesar, or else that was the gossip, I forget which.

    Catullus is an interesting case regarding cultural influence. He was popular in his day, but his works were lost very early on and were not re-discovered until centuries later; so he had very little direct influence on later Western poetry, which developed without direct exposure to him, but perhaps a Latinist critic around these parts could tell us how much indirect influence he had.

    He sounds astonishingly modern: catty and intimate and gossipy and quite funny, like a Roman Frank O’Hara.

  206. @Spangel
    Why are there so many asian females that fully embrace this anti white ideology?

    I understand why Jews hate gentile whites because, well, we don’t need to go into this.

    I understand blacks because they are frustrated their collective accomplishments don’t match their self image, it creates immense cognitive dissonance and resentment and so they blame whites for reaching the historical dominance they think should belong to blacks.

    I understand angry white feminists because they probably have some deep issue with their white father or white uncles or some other major white male figure in their lives.

    But asian females hating on white guys? Where does that anger even come from? It wasnt white guys binding their feet for centuries. White guys aren’t rejecting them now, at least not in general. Asian women are overall better educated and doing pretty well in white society. So why that chip on the shoulder?

    It makes sense. You get points and get published for being an angry minority, and you’re double-dipping POC and female, so why not?

    The well-adjusted ones go off to become pediatricians and make the next generation of upper-middle-class gentry.

    One thing not often commented on is the apparent difficulty Asians have getting very fat. This isn’t as great as it sounds healthwise (they start screening you for diabetes at BMI 23 instead of 25 for the rest of us), but the advantage in the mating market (for women) in one of the most obesogenic environments in the world is obvious. (The guys are shorter and chicks hate geeks as we are not a Confucian culture, so they face all the problems Elliot Rodger was familiar with and Twinkie has managed to sidestep. )

  207. @notanon
    promotion in SJW dominated arenas requires competing on the basis of wokeness.

    (it's why PC was always guaranteed to end up genocidal)

    So why hasn’t the Dem Party imploded yet?

  208. At closing time
    standing outside the public library
    with ID card expired,
    the books remain on shelves—
    Lev Vygotsky, Toni Morrison, Levertov, Cassirer,
    and the Zora Neale Hurston (which probably isn’t there) . . .

  209. @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

    White people have taught these Asian females to be SJWs.
     
    Stupid white people have taught these Asian females to be SJWs. - TFIFY

    White people have taught these Asian females to be SJWs.

    Stupid white people have taught these Asian females to be SJWs. – TFIFY

    Our sick white civilisation has taught these Asian females to be SJWs.

  210. This is akin to a Westerner whose family immigrated to Taiwan and who campaigns against the explicit “yellowness” on display at the National Palace Museum. Just another grievance monger earnestly out-Onioning The Onion.

  211. @Twinkie

    His phrasing was awful but his point is hardly rebutted by pointing out that intellectuals must exist before you bury them alive.
     
    His point that the Chinese have no tradition of filling libraries or love of books is simply false. Ancient China had large public libraries as well as numerous private libraries. That they also have had tyrants who burnt them as proof of that idiotic assertion is akin to claiming that Germans have no tradition of bibliophilism, because the Nazis burnt books.

    China was a literate civilization long before Germanic peoples who destroyed Rome ever acquired even a semblance of literacy. I’m not even Chinese, but am from a merely Chinese-influenced barbarian civilization and, yet, because of the cultural influence of this literate tradition, my family has a very old book of genealogy hundreds of years old that records my ancestry back to the 7th century.

    You can and should criticize China for many things, but lack of literate tradition is not one of them.

    Words (or characters actually) have a lot more power in Chinese culture than they do in the West – the magical act of writing something down makes it real and powerful so censorship is very important to those in power.

    In the Emperor’s Throne Room, a short verse or slogan was written above his head and one one either side – something that is inconceivable in the West:

    And this iconography continues to the present day:

  212. @El Dato

    Recommendations surrounding pronouns
    • Pronouns are never preferred
    • When in doubt:
    – Ask: What are your pronouns?
    – Use gender neutral pronouns they/them/their
    • Do not assume someone’s pronouns just because of the way they are dressed
    • Asking for someone’s pronouns is encouraged, but respect their silence if they choose not to tell you
    • When someone tells you their pronouns, respect and use them
     
    This is behaviour you have to exhibit towards the Greatest Super Rabbis At The Top Of The Max Elevation Super Temple Who Have Managed To Be Nearerest the Little Toe of God The Most and who can have you put to death most horribly if you just look at them cross-eyed.

    HOLY HOLY HOLY

    It’s also a ploy for finding out who is with you and who is agin’ you. Those who are woke will play along – if you are super woke you don’t even need these instructions because you already know how to play the game. Those who are not woke won’t play along – either they don’t know the secret code and are too stupid to follow the elaborate instructions (ignorant hicks) or even worse they refuse to play along and insist in a reactionary way on using pronouns based on whether the person they are addressing was born with a penis or a vagina (can you imagine?). If the Party is not in a position to punish them immediately (and increasingly it is) then this is duly noted in their dossiers and will be remembered later on.

  213. @Aufklærer108

    Germanic peoples, who demolished the earlier Greek and Roman civilizations
     
    That's a gross over-simplification, to put it mildly. The 'demolition' you imagine cannot have been near complete, much of the stuff is still there, serving as a reminder and an inspiration for renaissances. It was not Germanic people that burnt down the Hagia Sophia...

    Has there ever been a successful 'renaissance' in China (or Viet Nam, for that matter)?

    The ‘demolition’ you imagine cannot have been near complete, much of the stuff is still there, serving as a reminder and an inspiration for renaissances

    The demolition (or more often just sheer and utter neglect) was pretty damn complete. The few buildings that are preserved intact from antiquity exist mainly because they were converted to churches. Otherwise, they were considered to be fair game for use as stone quarries. Or else they just left them in place and eventually an earthquake would take them down.

    It was mostly the case that they just didn’t have any use for these large and elaborate structures – temples to gods who were no longer worshipped. Baths and gymnasiums for people who no longer bathed or worked out. It really doesn’t take long for a structure to fall into ruin if it is not being maintained – in the US there are shopping malls that were built in the 1970s that are already abandoned and falling into ruin because our society no longer has a use for them. The Romans used much better materials – chances are that 2,000 years from now not a lick will remain of the junk that we build today.

  214. @Twinkie

    How about we forget about his argument and look at mine?
     
    I share your loathing for China's regime and its suppression of dissent.

    On the other hand, there is something to be said about the fact that its regime seems to want to make its country strong and its people more affluent while our rulers pursue policies that immiserate the middle class and destroy its (highly successful, I might add) traditions and culture.

    I understand what you are trying to say but honestly the #1 concern of the Party (and the #2 and #3) is self-preservation. If this requires that the people be rich or poor or whatever, they’ll do it but the real goal is clinging to power doing whatever it takes.

    I also hate it when people compare our leaders to China’s or Russia’s or Israel’s or whomever’s and find them wanting. Each country has its own conditions and has to be ruled in accordance with them – an American President can’t rule like Putin and Putin can’t rule like an American President. All in all we have a pretty damn good system and if it can be made better it won’t be by emulating some other place.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  215. @CCZ
    Not all books will be "disappeared." Between the World and Me (Ta-Nehisi Coates) is book #1 on Ms. Leung's recommended reading list of books that are not “white-washed.”

    https://sleung.wordpress.com/2016/11/24/open-letter-to-well-intentioned-white-people/

    One of Ms. Leung's mentors tells us how, until recently:

    “The issue of race has been evaded in the field of Library and Information Studies (LIS) in the United States through an unquestioned system of white normativity and liberal multicultural discourse. ... Beginning with an analysis of the historical construction of libraries as an institution complicit in the production and maintenance of white racial privilege and then turning toward present-day discourses surrounding diversity and multiculturalism, this paper discusses at length the epistemological forms of racism that exist in LIS."

    https://escholarship.org/uc/item/4nj0w1mp (The Invisibility of Race in Library and Information Studies)

    Finally, the truth is revealed, Andrew Carnegie funded building all those libraries to advance his racist white supremacist colonizing agenda and overtly deny POC a physical space to display their literary and scientific legacy.

    Someone must stop this vandalism.

    I suppose it’s us.

  216. @B36
    The internet is coming under the control of totalitarian forces around the world. How much easier it will be to lock down and filter the internet and delete all digital copies of forbidden works than to burn all the physical copies out in the real world. Therefore it is incumbent on Steve to assemble and publish an anthology of his best work in physical book form before it is too late. Everyone here would buy the book, and some could be hidden in attics or buried in backyards. Maybe a few will survive the new Dark Age. And there might be canticles for others besides Leibowitz.

    Maybe the Israelis can put a copy on board their next moon probe. The last one crash landed so I don’t know whether the stuff that they put on board that one survived the crash or not. There is a plan to scatter some key information all around the solar system in case we screw up and accidentally destroy all life on planet earth. Maybe there will some bad code in the AI system for making paper clips the way there was bad code in MCAS and the AI will convert everything on the planet into paper clips.

  217. @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

    the Kwisatz Haderach
     
    A false messiah will not save them.

    They are working their way toward a future where every child will be a 130+ math whiz with a polished up genome, taught in rigorous schools and inculcated with a fierce love of their country. (BTW, once you have tuned up the germ lines of both parents, chances are their children will need very little tuning if any – the improvements are permanent.)

    We are working our way toward an idiocratic future where every child will be Jussie Smollett or Kim Foxx and their teachers will be more of the same.

    Who is the one worshipping a false messiah?

    Now in the movies, it would turn out that CRISPRing your kids will have some horrible side effect – they will be mutants with 3 eyes who want to murder their parents. That’s in the movies. In real life they will grow straight and strong like GMO soybeans.

  218. I’m sorry for what she did. It is simply insane. This woman is a dishonorary Negroid who believes in Negroid nonsense.

    This is why all NE Asian people should leave the Negroid-coddling world in order not to be Africanized after the removal of the commie regimes in China and North Korea in order to be free from Negroid cancer.

  219. @Anonymous

    The problem here is that we have people coming from relatively healthy societies (in East Asia) coming to the West and assimilating to a very very sick society. Assimilation is a bad thing anyway (it’s cultural genocide) but it becomes truly tragic when the host society is diseased.
     
    What Asian-ness is being lost? They have learned the magic words that make modern Western society shower them with blessings, the vocabulary that games our system. That doesn't mean that something has been subtracted.

    What Asian-ness is being lost? They have learned the magic words that make modern Western society shower them with blessings, the vocabulary that games our system. That doesn’t mean that something has been subtracted.

    A lot. Almost nobody behaves like that in NE Asia. We are not exactly completely healthy since we still struggle with cultural authoritarianism & conformism but at least we have a safe environment, willingness to achieve more and thankfully lack of Negroids and dishonorary Negroids.

    This woman is a fucking embarrassment to my race just like Sarah Jeong. We are doing well and aren’t victims. Negroid agitators who attempt to trick us into an absurd alliance against whites need to BTFO.

  220. @J.Ross
    Theodore Dalrymple had a disturbing story a million years ago about old (and no doubt politically incorrect) books being taken out of a French library to be destroyed, with no effort at, say, scanning them. Dalrymple being Dalrymple, he didn't go near any rabbit holes, and decried it merely on the grounds of waste and foolhardiness.

    Speaking of Dalrymple, at my local library, one of his books, “Romancing Opiates”, and a few others critical of drug culture went missing; they were never replaced. As for books written by feminists, the library often has multiple copies of each one.

  221. The here is (as always) how to kick out the Whites without kicking out the (((Whites))).

  222. >Is “folx” just text message spelling for “folks” or are there learned articles in Grievance Studies journals on how substituting “x” for “ks” drains the Implicit Whiteness out of the Naziish word “folks”?

    As a reader of learned articles in my field in the humanities, I have noticed a number of ways of going with the Zeitgeist. BCE has eclipsed BC, CE (Common Era) has extinguished AD (Anno Domini). When it comes to Women’s Lib, the personal pronouns are handled differently by different folx. “He” as the default pronoun is nowadays invariably replaced by “she.” Some use the plural “they” where one would expect to read a necessarily genderized singular.” That strategem avoids having to use the new default “she” because no one enjoys having their pens forced to write with NewSpeak vocabulary.

  223. Two quick points: Just how fast would this woman be fired had she substituted any other human “color” (eg. white) for “white.” If this screed had been directed at books written by browns, yellows, reds, blacks, etc.? That would have been career suicide. But here, bashing one particular “race” (we are assuming she meant European whites, but who knows?) is not only happily allowed by her PC employers but undoubtedly applauded.

    Second point: Perhaps this supposed librarian is just lazy. Excluding foreign language books, just how large would your book collection be if you only shelved books written by non whites? Of course determining the racial origin of each author or set of authors is time consuming. And what about co-authors or mixed race ones? Do you use the “one drop” rule? The Asian collection would have some books, American Indian a handful, black African even fewer, Pacific Islander, etc. almost zero. What would be left, aside from a few science books would be bad poetry and personal autobiographies or memoirs. Some history perhaps and a bit of theology/religion. But a lot of work for the Woke Librarian. So much racial profiling! And how many librarians would you really need after that? Woke Librarianship would be a career dead end. Better add a few “white” books. Lots of gay or feminist books in that category. Might need a racial exception.

  224. @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

    More or less gay white men probably contributed proportionally more to Western civilization than anybody else.
     
    Please list your 'gay white men' roster. We want to know whether Cicero, Julius Caesar, Augustus, Jesus, Seneca, Nerva, Trajan, Hadrian, Antoninus Pius, Marcus Aurelius, Athanasius, Constantine, Augustine, Boethius, Belisarius, Charles Martel, Longfrank, Anselm, Thomas Becket, Peter Abelard, Thomas Aquinas, and I could go on, but let us begin with them.

    Are any, or all of them on your list?

    In your list, I recognize at least 3 men with homosexual tendencies. The first one is Emperor Trajan. He was considered by the Romans as their best emperor. They called him “Optimus Princeps,” that means “the best ruler”. The emperors after him, who took office in the Senate heard:

    “Be luckier than Augustus, and better than Trajan”

    Under his command the empire reached its territorial peak. He was described as a great warrior, down to earth, pragmatic and efficient, hungry for conquests. A hypermasculine man. But also a very affable personality . He was the best emperor as a human being. From Cassius Dio:

    “He was most conspicous for his justice, for his bravery, and for the simplicity of his habits… He did not envy or slay any one, but honoured and exalted all good men without exception, and hence he neither feared nor hated any of them. To slanders he paid very little heed, and he was no slave of anger. He refrained from taking other people’s money, and from unjust murders. He expended vast sums on wars and vast sums on works of peace; and while making very many urgently needed repairs to roads and harbours and public buildings, he drained no one’s blood in any of these undertakings… He joined others in the chase and in banquets, as well as in their labours and plans and jests… He would enter the houses of citizens, sometimes even without a guard, and enjoy himself there. Education in the strictest sense he lacked, but its substance he both knew and applied.”

    But of course, no one is perfect. Dio describes his two main weaknesses, his addiction to alcohol and boys:

    “I know, of course, that he was devoted to boys and wine. And if he had ever committed or endured any base or wicked act as the result of these practices, he would have incurred censure. As it was however, he drank all the wine he wanted, yet remained sober. And in his relations with boys he harmed no one.”

    His successor, Hadrian, also proved to be a great emperor. He was a man who had intellectual interests and also a great esthete. He developed a intense passion for a young Greek named Antinous. Antinous had a tragic death, drowning in the Nile. Hadrian was devastated. He built an entire city in honor of Antinous. And made him a popular god throughout the empire. Perhaps his love for Antinous was the most intense in all Roman history. The guy lost his mind, and became pathetic at the roman eyes. From the last pagan emperor Julian Apostate, on his book “The Caesars” :

    “Next entered an austere-looking man5 with a long beard, an adept in all the arts, but especially music, one who was always gazing at the heavens and prying into hidden things. Silenus when he saw him said, “What think ye of this sophist? Can he be looking here for Antinous? One of you should tell him that the youth is not here, and make him cease from his madness and folly.” Thereupon entered a man6 of temperate character, I do not say in love affairs but in affairs of state. ”7

    I see that you have chosen important figures in Christianity as great representatives of the West. Well, there are theories that homosexuals are inclined to become priests in different religions, regardless of culture, the so called “gay shaman theory”. But the Catholic church in particular has always been attractive to homosexuals. The lack of marital obligations as well as male exclusivity in many places, has obviously always attracted many gays. Of course, the scriptures condemn homosexuality, but hypocrisy reigns. Only nowadays do we see how gay the Catholic Church is, and let’s face it, there’s no reason not to expect the same from the church in the past.
    Among the names you cited a good example is the Anselm of Canterbury. Look at some of his love letters:

    “ And now, this Gundulf and Anselm is witness that I and thou are never so in want of each other as that we must needs prove our mutual affection by letters. For since thy spirit and mine can never bear to be absent from each other, but unceasingly are intertwined; we mutually need nothing from each other, save that we are not together in bodily presence. But why should I depict to thee on paper my affection, since thou dost carefully keep its exact image in the cell of thy heart? For what is thy love for me but the image of mine for thee? Therefore thy known wish induces me to write somewhat to thee on account of our bodily separation; but since we are known to each other by the presence together of our spirits, I know not what to say to thee, save – may God do with thee as He knoweth shall please him, and be profitable to thee. Farewell.”

    Or:

    “sweet to me, sweetest friend, are the gifts of your sweetness, but they cannot begin to console my desolate heart for its want of your love. Even if you sent every scent of perfume, every glitter of metal, every precious gem, every texture of cloth, still it could not make up to my soul for this separation unless it returned the separated other half.
    The anguish of my heart just thinking about this bears witness, as do the tears dimming my eyes and wetting my face and the fingers writing this.
    You recognized, as I do now, my love for you, but I did not. Our separation from each other has shown me how much I loved you; a man does not in fact have knowledge of good and evil unless he has experienced both. Not having experienced your absence, I did not realize how sweet it was to be with you and how bitter to be without you.
    But you have gained from our very separation the company of someone else, whom you love no less – or even more – than me; while I have lost you, and there is no one to take your place. You are thus enjoying your consolation, while nothing is left to me but heartbreak.”

    • Replies: @Vinteuil
    Wow - St Anselm of Canterbury? The Ontological Proof guy?
  225. @Hail

    SJW led book burning at one of America’s top universities
     

    Never, because of the too-obvious parallels with the Nazis
     
    The joke's really on them, because from what I understand the actual book burnings of the 1930s Germany were ceremonial; a state-sanctioned political mega-statement. They were not a literal, huge-scale attempt to eradicate knowledge or something out of Ray Bradbury (a typical distortion in cheap, "prole-feed" anti-Nazi propaganda).

    We have large-scale, regime-sanctioned, ceremonial denouncings of political content here in the digital era, too. In other words, they're already doing it.

    Ray Bradbury (a typical distortion in cheap, “prole-feed” anti-Nazi propaganda).

    The book was not an allegory of life in Nazi Germany. At all. You didn’t read it, did you?

    (Why does it not surprise me that there is a caucus on this site objecting to severe treatment of Nazi Germany?).

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Hail
    Art Deco, perhaps my writing was unclear or perhaps you take joy in maliciously-selective editing (a form of trolling) with the way you 'cropped' my words, or both.

    This is the full line:


    They [book burnings] were not a literal, huge-scale attempt to eradicate knowledge or something out of Ray Bradbury (a typical distortion in cheap, “prole-feed” anti-Nazi propaganda).
     
    This comment makes no such claim at all about Ray Bradbury's "Fahrenheit 451." It is obviously about people's (mis)perceptions about what the book burnings were, i.e. that there is a standard, vaguely held belief that they were a more-or-less serious attempt to literally eradicate a body of scholarship/knowledge for political reasons for purposes of a kind of mind control on a population. This is a distortion, and characteristic of our vaguely held perceptions about the Nazis -- the book burning thing perpetuated, down through the generations in popular imagination, for eighty years or more now.
    , @Johann Ricke

    Why does it not surprise me that there is a caucus on this site objecting to severe treatment of Nazi Germany?
     
    It wasn't particularly severe. Severe would be doing a count of non-Germans killed during the war and summarily executing several times that number of Germans. Even when you include the number of Germans killed during the postwar expulsions from Central Europe, the ratio of non-German to German dead from WWII and the immediate postwar era was something like 4:1. It's not as if the Germans did anything to deserve a quiet peace - they surrendered only after the Soviets hoisted the hammer and sickle over the Reichstag.
  226. (Why does it not surprise me that there is a caucus on this site objecting to severe treatment of Nazi Germany?)

    It doesn’t surprise you because, much to your displeasure, you realize that Ron Unz takes free speech seriously.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Sure Ron and Steve will allow it, but who knew that there were still people around eager to put in a good word for actual Nazis?
  227. Surely the reason an Oriental woman will disparage white achievements in arts and science is because Orientals are very good at knowing what they are supposed to pretend to believe in a society in order to flourish, they are adept at knowing the “zeitgeist”, and the current zeitgeist is basically “bash whitey”. She’s a stereotypical Oriental woman. No original thoughts at all in her head.

    I am always reminded, when reading about Oriental women like this one, of I think it was John Derbyshire who mentioned an female acquaintance of Korean ancestry, who was widowed, and who described herself as a “single mother”! She had picked up the idea that single motherhood was more acceptable than being a widow.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani

    Surely the reason an Oriental woman will disparage white achievements in arts and science is because Orientals are very good at knowing what they are supposed to pretend to believe in a society in order to flourish, they are adept at knowing the “zeitgeist”, and the current zeitgeist is basically “bash whitey”. She’s a stereotypical Oriental woman.
     
    Of course. She is just betting on the losing side while I'm betting on the winning one. Anyone who believes that the Negroid side can win is an idiot.

    No original thoughts at all in her head.
     
    I'm not sure about that one though. We are extremely good at pretending to be weak. In fact almost all leaders in NE Asia pretended to be thoughtless or even weak conformists before (and in order to) coming to power. How many are actually that thoughtless?
  228. Seriously, does anyone want to start making an Index Librorum Prohibitorum, collecting the discarded books, and scanning them and sending them to Ron for archival purposes? He’s put together a nice archive…

  229. @martin2
    Surely the reason an Oriental woman will disparage white achievements in arts and science is because Orientals are very good at knowing what they are supposed to pretend to believe in a society in order to flourish, they are adept at knowing the "zeitgeist", and the current zeitgeist is basically "bash whitey". She's a stereotypical Oriental woman. No original thoughts at all in her head.

    I am always reminded, when reading about Oriental women like this one, of I think it was John Derbyshire who mentioned an female acquaintance of Korean ancestry, who was widowed, and who described herself as a "single mother"! She had picked up the idea that single motherhood was more acceptable than being a widow.

    Surely the reason an Oriental woman will disparage white achievements in arts and science is because Orientals are very good at knowing what they are supposed to pretend to believe in a society in order to flourish, they are adept at knowing the “zeitgeist”, and the current zeitgeist is basically “bash whitey”. She’s a stereotypical Oriental woman.

    Of course. She is just betting on the losing side while I’m betting on the winning one. Anyone who believes that the Negroid side can win is an idiot.

    No original thoughts at all in her head.

    I’m not sure about that one though. We are extremely good at pretending to be weak. In fact almost all leaders in NE Asia pretended to be thoughtless or even weak conformists before (and in order to) coming to power. How many are actually that thoughtless?

  230. @Anon
    Your description is very spot on for what's happened to my local library. It's turned into a joke. I myself sometimes just poke the SJW books behind the other books so they're lost and forgotten.

    A time-honoured practice.

    At my undergraduate university, it was easy (after the first few weeks) to observe the planking (= hiding) techniques used by fellow “students” to try to keep materials referred to by lecturers away from the “competition”

    A good novel could be written…

  231. @Pat Kittle

    (Why does it not surprise me that there is a caucus on this site objecting to severe treatment of Nazi Germany?)
     
    It doesn't surprise you because, much to your displeasure, you realize that Ron Unz takes free speech seriously.

    Sure Ron and Steve will allow it, but who knew that there were still people around eager to put in a good word for actual Nazis?

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
    And in the case of Ron's site, nonstop diatribes against the perfidious jew, nonstop I tell ya.
  232. @Calogero
    When exactly did Asians become "people of color"? When I was growing up, only blacks were considered "colored" or later people of color. Is this just another way of grouping together wildly different types of people into a shared anti -white coalition?

    When exactly did Asians become “people of color”? When I was growing up, only blacks were considered “colored” or later people of color. Is this just another way of grouping together wildly different types of people into a shared anti -white coalition?

    Yep. We NE Asians are not some retarded people of color. That’s a Negroid term to build a moronic anti-white coalition.

  233. @Jack D
    Sure Ron and Steve will allow it, but who knew that there were still people around eager to put in a good word for actual Nazis?

    And in the case of Ron’s site, nonstop diatribes against the perfidious jew, nonstop I tell ya.

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle

    And in the case of Ron’s site, nonstop diatribes against the perfidious jew, nonstop I tell ya.
     
    So don't just sit there -- debunk them!
  234. Hail says: • Website
    @Art Deco
    Ray Bradbury (a typical distortion in cheap, “prole-feed” anti-Nazi propaganda).

    The book was not an allegory of life in Nazi Germany. At all. You didn't read it, did you?


    (Why does it not surprise me that there is a caucus on this site objecting to severe treatment of Nazi Germany?).

    Art Deco, perhaps my writing was unclear or perhaps you take joy in maliciously-selective editing (a form of trolling) with the way you ‘cropped’ my words, or both.

    This is the full line:

    They [book burnings] were not a literal, huge-scale attempt to eradicate knowledge or something out of Ray Bradbury (a typical distortion in cheap, “prole-feed” anti-Nazi propaganda).

    This comment makes no such claim at all about Ray Bradbury’s “Fahrenheit 451.” It is obviously about people’s (mis)perceptions about what the book burnings were, i.e. that there is a standard, vaguely held belief that they were a more-or-less serious attempt to literally eradicate a body of scholarship/knowledge for political reasons for purposes of a kind of mind control on a population. This is a distortion, and characteristic of our vaguely held perceptions about the Nazis — the book burning thing perpetuated, down through the generations in popular imagination, for eighty years or more now.

  235. Hail says: • Website
    @Charles Erwin Wilson 3
    You play the hand you are dealt, and she has parlayed the puss-oozing-sore ideology of our time into a sweet gig.

    Just because she excites disgust and revulsion doesn't mean she isn't smart. She might have been a productive member of society had the Left been marginalized and defeated.

    She might have been a productive member of society had the Left been marginalized and defeated.

    I agree with this (or, more strictly speaking I should say “I could readily agree” with it, being that I don’t know much about Sofia Leung), and would hope that most people of good conscience here would too.

    What do we know about this person, Sofia Leung? I don’t know much and don’t care to, but I would cautiously say I’ve seen enough to say she is anti-White. Whence the anti-White-ism? It may just Sofia is naught but an extreme ‘follower,’ of power. Change the political conditions, and she’d be a fanatic on behalf of something else, whatever else was in power. A religion, maybe.

    Alternatively, Sofia Leung really is motivated primarily by (let’s call it) ethnocentrism, a trait indeed possessed in spades by many an East Asian (so observered down through the ages); in her case, maybe something in her personality made the typical ethnocentrism turn malignant and vicious.

    Probbaly both things are at play (as usual, monocausalists always have a weaker hand), though it is unlikely an even 50-50. The former (being a ‘follower’ of power) is decidedly more likely to contribute a lot more, especially in this case — if we are permitted to make a sweeping judgment on incomplete information.

    I admit this is all a hard hypothesis to test, so take this comment for what it’s worth.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    She is an idiot. That's all I have to say.

    It is impossible for WN to lose in the New World because the only force strong enough to compete with it, Islam, is largely not present.
  236. @Hail

    She might have been a productive member of society had the Left been marginalized and defeated.
     
    I agree with this (or, more strictly speaking I should say "I could readily agree" with it, being that I don't know much about Sofia Leung), and would hope that most people of good conscience here would too.

    What do we know about this person, Sofia Leung? I don't know much and don't care to, but I would cautiously say I've seen enough to say she is anti-White. Whence the anti-White-ism? It may just Sofia is naught but an extreme 'follower,' of power. Change the political conditions, and she'd be a fanatic on behalf of something else, whatever else was in power. A religion, maybe.

    Alternatively, Sofia Leung really is motivated primarily by (let's call it) ethnocentrism, a trait indeed possessed in spades by many an East Asian (so observered down through the ages); in her case, maybe something in her personality made the typical ethnocentrism turn malignant and vicious.

    Probbaly both things are at play (as usual, monocausalists always have a weaker hand), though it is unlikely an even 50-50. The former (being a 'follower' of power) is decidedly more likely to contribute a lot more, especially in this case -- if we are permitted to make a sweeping judgment on incomplete information.

    I admit this is all a hard hypothesis to test, so take this comment for what it's worth.

    She is an idiot. That’s all I have to say.

    It is impossible for WN to lose in the New World because the only force strong enough to compete with it, Islam, is largely not present.

  237. @Twinkie

    How about we forget about his argument and look at mine?
     
    I share your loathing for China's regime and its suppression of dissent.

    On the other hand, there is something to be said about the fact that its regime seems to want to make its country strong and its people more affluent while our rulers pursue policies that immiserate the middle class and destroy its (highly successful, I might add) traditions and culture.

    On the other hand, there is something to be said about the fact that its regime seems to want to make its country strong and its people more affluent

    China’s leaders want to enrich themselves and write their names in the history books. China’s economy has been booming for decades for a number of reasons, but chief among these reasons is what Chinese in China share with Chinese emigres everywhere – high IQ and high perseverance. If China’s leaders presided over a population of Nigerians, the economy would resemble Nigeria’s. Equally, if Nigeria’s leaders ruled over a population of Chinese, that economy would likely resemble China’s.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    China’s leaders want to enrich themselves and write their names in the history books.
     
    I've never known political leaders who wanted to be poor and ignored by history. At least their leaders align their ambitions with the greatness of their country and the affluence of their people.

    If China’s leaders presided over a population of Nigerians, the economy would resemble Nigeria’s. Equally, if Nigeria’s leaders ruled over a population of Chinese, that economy would likely resemble China’s.
     
    In my experience, leadership matters and matters a great deal. I am a big believer in the aphorism attributed to Alexander the Great: "I do not fear an army of lions if it is led by a sheep, but I do fear an army of sheep that is led by a lion."
  238. @Sako
    I’m half Japanese, and have long been interested in the art and literature of Japan. One thing I find fascinating is how immediately the Japanese took to Western “white people” art once they became widely exposed to it. Kurosawa eagerly and happily adapted everything from Shakespeare (Macbeth and King Lear) to Ed McBain crime novels to the silver screen. Far from resenting the greatness of Western culture, he gorged on it, used as the scaffolding and foundation of his own classic films.

    Likewise, Yukio Mishima was obsessed with Western literature, everything from Shakespeare, Dostoyevsky and Nietzsche to the ancient Greeks (Plato in particular). The same is true of practically every “person of Color” who ever did anything noteworthy in the arts. Scott Joplin’s ragtime melodies derive in part from his close study of Chopin.

    These spiteful, vindictive, envious, resentful, hate-filled SJW pieces of trash will, if successful, destroy not only “white” culture, but ALL culture, regardless of its racial or ethnic origin. You can’t create anything of value if you refuse to read anything written by Dead White Males and only turn to fifth rate trash written by your fellow SJWs for inspiration.

    On top of that, a lot of Asian/non-white SJW sorts seems to be upset at the sexist/racist/bad aspects of their non-Western culture and project it onto the West/whites. Railing against “men” when they men Indian/African men, etc.

    • Replies: @Roderick Spode
    Check out the photo The Hill used for this story about a murder in Bangladesh:

    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1119068108579332098
  239. @White Guy In Japan
    On top of that, a lot of Asian/non-white SJW sorts seems to be upset at the sexist/racist/bad aspects of their non-Western culture and project it onto the West/whites. Railing against "men" when they men Indian/African men, etc.

    Check out the photo The Hill used for this story about a murder in Bangladesh:

  240. @Anonymouse
    And in the case of Ron's site, nonstop diatribes against the perfidious jew, nonstop I tell ya.

    And in the case of Ron’s site, nonstop diatribes against the perfidious jew, nonstop I tell ya.

    So don’t just sit there — debunk them!

  241. @Art Deco
    Ray Bradbury (a typical distortion in cheap, “prole-feed” anti-Nazi propaganda).

    The book was not an allegory of life in Nazi Germany. At all. You didn't read it, did you?


    (Why does it not surprise me that there is a caucus on this site objecting to severe treatment of Nazi Germany?).

    Why does it not surprise me that there is a caucus on this site objecting to severe treatment of Nazi Germany?

    It wasn’t particularly severe. Severe would be doing a count of non-Germans killed during the war and summarily executing several times that number of Germans. Even when you include the number of Germans killed during the postwar expulsions from Central Europe, the ratio of non-German to German dead from WWII and the immediate postwar era was something like 4:1. It’s not as if the Germans did anything to deserve a quiet peace – they surrendered only after the Soviets hoisted the hammer and sickle over the Reichstag.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    The initial Morgenthau Plan for Germany was much more severe. The idea was to deprive Germany of future war making ability by getting rid of all of their heavy industry. They would have to get by on making cuckoo clocks and musical instruments. Good luck bombing London with a clarinet.

    Cold war exigencies helped to nix that but the main factor was that the math didn't work. Germany needs to import food in order for the population to survive - there's not enough lebensraum (remember?). Without heavy industrial exports there was not enough hard currency to feed the population. The choice would have been mass starvation (or emigration) or endless American subsidies.
  242. @Johann Ricke

    Why does it not surprise me that there is a caucus on this site objecting to severe treatment of Nazi Germany?
     
    It wasn't particularly severe. Severe would be doing a count of non-Germans killed during the war and summarily executing several times that number of Germans. Even when you include the number of Germans killed during the postwar expulsions from Central Europe, the ratio of non-German to German dead from WWII and the immediate postwar era was something like 4:1. It's not as if the Germans did anything to deserve a quiet peace - they surrendered only after the Soviets hoisted the hammer and sickle over the Reichstag.

    The initial Morgenthau Plan for Germany was much more severe. The idea was to deprive Germany of future war making ability by getting rid of all of their heavy industry. They would have to get by on making cuckoo clocks and musical instruments. Good luck bombing London with a clarinet.

    Cold war exigencies helped to nix that but the main factor was that the math didn’t work. Germany needs to import food in order for the population to survive – there’s not enough lebensraum (remember?). Without heavy industrial exports there was not enough hard currency to feed the population. The choice would have been mass starvation (or emigration) or endless American subsidies.

  243. @Marcus Gohl
    In your list, I recognize at least 3 men with homosexual tendencies. The first one is Emperor Trajan. He was considered by the Romans as their best emperor. They called him "Optimus Princeps," that means “the best ruler”. The emperors after him, who took office in the Senate heard:

    “Be luckier than Augustus, and better than Trajan”
     
    Under his command the empire reached its territorial peak. He was described as a great warrior, down to earth, pragmatic and efficient, hungry for conquests. A hypermasculine man. But also a very affable personality . He was the best emperor as a human being. From Cassius Dio:

    "He was most conspicous for his justice, for his bravery, and for the simplicity of his habits... He did not envy or slay any one, but honoured and exalted all good men without exception, and hence he neither feared nor hated any of them. To slanders he paid very little heed, and he was no slave of anger. He refrained from taking other people's money, and from unjust murders. He expended vast sums on wars and vast sums on works of peace; and while making very many urgently needed repairs to roads and harbours and public buildings, he drained no one's blood in any of these undertakings... He joined others in the chase and in banquets, as well as in their labours and plans and jests... He would enter the houses of citizens, sometimes even without a guard, and enjoy himself there. Education in the strictest sense he lacked, but its substance he both knew and applied.”
     
    But of course, no one is perfect. Dio describes his two main weaknesses, his addiction to alcohol and boys:

    “I know, of course, that he was devoted to boys and wine. And if he had ever committed or endured any base or wicked act as the result of these practices, he would have incurred censure. As it was however, he drank all the wine he wanted, yet remained sober. And in his relations with boys he harmed no one."
     
    His successor, Hadrian, also proved to be a great emperor. He was a man who had intellectual interests and also a great esthete. He developed a intense passion for a young Greek named Antinous. Antinous had a tragic death, drowning in the Nile. Hadrian was devastated. He built an entire city in honor of Antinous. And made him a popular god throughout the empire. Perhaps his love for Antinous was the most intense in all Roman history. The guy lost his mind, and became pathetic at the roman eyes. From the last pagan emperor Julian Apostate, on his book "The Caesars" :

    "Next entered an austere-looking man5 with a long beard, an adept in all the arts, but especially music, one who was always gazing at the heavens and prying into hidden things. Silenus when he saw him said, “What think ye of this sophist? Can he be looking here for Antinous? One of you should tell him that the youth is not here, and make him cease from his madness and folly.” Thereupon entered a man6 of temperate character, I do not say in love affairs but in affairs of state. ”7
     
    I see that you have chosen important figures in Christianity as great representatives of the West. Well, there are theories that homosexuals are inclined to become priests in different religions, regardless of culture, the so called “gay shaman theory”. But the Catholic church in particular has always been attractive to homosexuals. The lack of marital obligations as well as male exclusivity in many places, has obviously always attracted many gays. Of course, the scriptures condemn homosexuality, but hypocrisy reigns. Only nowadays do we see how gay the Catholic Church is, and let's face it, there's no reason not to expect the same from the church in the past.
    Among the names you cited a good example is the Anselm of Canterbury. Look at some of his love letters:

    “ And now, this Gundulf and Anselm is witness that I and thou are never so in want of each other as that we must needs prove our mutual affection by letters. For since thy spirit and mine can never bear to be absent from each other, but unceasingly are intertwined; we mutually need nothing from each other, save that we are not together in bodily presence. But why should I depict to thee on paper my affection, since thou dost carefully keep its exact image in the cell of thy heart? For what is thy love for me but the image of mine for thee? Therefore thy known wish induces me to write somewhat to thee on account of our bodily separation; but since we are known to each other by the presence together of our spirits, I know not what to say to thee, save – may God do with thee as He knoweth shall please him, and be profitable to thee. Farewell.”
     
    Or:

    “sweet to me, sweetest friend, are the gifts of your sweetness, but they cannot begin to console my desolate heart for its want of your love. Even if you sent every scent of perfume, every glitter of metal, every precious gem, every texture of cloth, still it could not make up to my soul for this separation unless it returned the separated other half.
    The anguish of my heart just thinking about this bears witness, as do the tears dimming my eyes and wetting my face and the fingers writing this.
    You recognized, as I do now, my love for you, but I did not. Our separation from each other has shown me how much I loved you; a man does not in fact have knowledge of good and evil unless he has experienced both. Not having experienced your absence, I did not realize how sweet it was to be with you and how bitter to be without you.
    But you have gained from our very separation the company of someone else, whom you love no less – or even more – than me; while I have lost you, and there is no one to take your place. You are thus enjoying your consolation, while nothing is left to me but heartbreak.”
     

    Wow – St Anselm of Canterbury? The Ontological Proof guy?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Nobody tell Vintueil about David and Jonathan.

    Such close friendship among men has been common in history and would be more common today (it is needed) were it not forced into the same straightjacket with rimjobs, denial of moral agency, and anti-Christian bigotry.

    , @Marcus Gohl

    Wow – St Anselm of Canterbury? The Ontological Proof guy?

     

    Yes, the typical gay mamma’s boy. He was a sensitive child, attached by his mother, and suffered much bullyng from his father. He wanted to be a clergy from a early age. But his father, a large landowner in northern Italy, did’t like the idea. So he ran away from home and went to France to become a monk.
  244. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:

    Blacks should take over libraries. Look at the great library system in Detroit.
    And blacks are so respectful of books that when they riot, book stores are one place they don’t touch.

    But maybe… the problem is literacy itself. Written language is white supremacist. Blacks didn’t have written language. They had oral tradition and their culture was kept alive by talk and jive.
    But white folks invented written language, a kind of mental chains that bound people to memory. Without written language, memory is limited to talking, and people feel freer. But written languages leads to collection of all these books that are so burdensome.

    All books must burn. Written language must be banished and we must all go oral because it’s more free and spontaneous.

    Written language is too white.

  245. @Vinteuil
    Wow - St Anselm of Canterbury? The Ontological Proof guy?

    Nobody tell Vintueil about David and Jonathan.

    Such close friendship among men has been common in history and would be more common today (it is needed) were it not forced into the same straightjacket with rimjobs, denial of moral agency, and anti-Christian bigotry.

    • Replies: @Marcus Gohl

    Nobody tell Vintueil about David and Jonathan.

    Such close friendship among men has been common in history and would be more common today (it is needed) were it not forced into the same straightjacket with rimjobs, denial of moral agency, and anti-Christian bigotry.
     
    There are a lot of myths, when people say that romantic friendships between men were openly accepted in the past. That they were only “pure” or “spiritual”. Those relationships were usually looked with suspicion of homosexuality. For example, intense relationships between clergymen were not accepted in the medieval period. In the religious environment, this type of relationship was inhibited because they were suspected of having a sexual character:

    “The issue of personal expression of gender is also closed tied to monasticism and to medieval Christian devotions. Monastic life curtailed contact between the sexes. Altough marriage was possible early on in the religious life, by the 13th century all religious orders expressly forbade any unnecessary contact among men and women. Such orders and rules also prohibited close, intimate contact within the same gender, with the term “particular friendship” being applied to such friendships. Partcular friendships were very closely watched and often disrupted by monastic authority. Looking back now, one might assume that this was because of a desire to prevent sexual activity among the religious, especially homosexual acts within gender-restricted cloisters. The idea that such prohibition succeeded –that rules were enough to prohibit the expression of sexuality and desire- is unrealistic. Undoubtedly friendships and sexual relationships did unfold within monastic houses throughout the Middle Ages as well as into the modern age. However more interesting is not the fact of such relationships, but the means by which so many members of religious orders sublimated their physical longings into the realm of spirituality.”
    Encyclopedia of Monasticism
     
    The same can be said for other ages. For example, many sonnets that Michelangelo wrote were viewed as gay by his grandnephew, who changed masculine pronouns to feminine ones. The same was done with Shakespeare’s sonnets on their early editions. On later editions of the 18th century, when the pronouns were corrected, they continued to be perceived as homo. Like the observation of George Steevens in 1780, immediately after the publication of the correct sonnets:

    "it is impossible to read this fulsome panegyrick, addressed to a male object, without an equal mixture of disgust and indignation"
     
  246. @Johann Ricke

    On the other hand, there is something to be said about the fact that its regime seems to want to make its country strong and its people more affluent
     
    China's leaders want to enrich themselves and write their names in the history books. China's economy has been booming for decades for a number of reasons, but chief among these reasons is what Chinese in China share with Chinese emigres everywhere - high IQ and high perseverance. If China's leaders presided over a population of Nigerians, the economy would resemble Nigeria's. Equally, if Nigeria's leaders ruled over a population of Chinese, that economy would likely resemble China's.

    China’s leaders want to enrich themselves and write their names in the history books.

    I’ve never known political leaders who wanted to be poor and ignored by history. At least their leaders align their ambitions with the greatness of their country and the affluence of their people.

    If China’s leaders presided over a population of Nigerians, the economy would resemble Nigeria’s. Equally, if Nigeria’s leaders ruled over a population of Chinese, that economy would likely resemble China’s.

    In my experience, leadership matters and matters a great deal. I am a big believer in the aphorism attributed to Alexander the Great: “I do not fear an army of lions if it is led by a sheep, but I do fear an army of sheep that is led by a lion.”

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    In my experience, leadership matters and matters a great deal. I am a big believer in the aphorism attributed to Alexander the Great: “I do not fear an army of lions if it is led by a sheep, but I do fear an army of sheep that is led by a lion.”
     
    Considering that the average Chinese loser (i.e. emigre or exile) does better than the average Chinese, I'd hesitate to call the Chinese leadership "lions". I have little doubt that they are first rate schemers, because that's what it takes to get to the top of the greasy pole. But to suggest that they are "lions" is to engage in hyperbole.
  247. @Desiderius
    Nobody tell Vintueil about David and Jonathan.

    Such close friendship among men has been common in history and would be more common today (it is needed) were it not forced into the same straightjacket with rimjobs, denial of moral agency, and anti-Christian bigotry.

    Nobody tell Vintueil about David and Jonathan.

    Such close friendship among men has been common in history and would be more common today (it is needed) were it not forced into the same straightjacket with rimjobs, denial of moral agency, and anti-Christian bigotry.

    There are a lot of myths, when people say that romantic friendships between men were openly accepted in the past. That they were only “pure” or “spiritual”. Those relationships were usually looked with suspicion of homosexuality. For example, intense relationships between clergymen were not accepted in the medieval period. In the religious environment, this type of relationship was inhibited because they were suspected of having a sexual character:

    “The issue of personal expression of gender is also closed tied to monasticism and to medieval Christian devotions. Monastic life curtailed contact between the sexes. Altough marriage was possible early on in the religious life, by the 13th century all religious orders expressly forbade any unnecessary contact among men and women. Such orders and rules also prohibited close, intimate contact within the same gender, with the term “particular friendship” being applied to such friendships. Partcular friendships were very closely watched and often disrupted by monastic authority. Looking back now, one might assume that this was because of a desire to prevent sexual activity among the religious, especially homosexual acts within gender-restricted cloisters. The idea that such prohibition succeeded –that rules were enough to prohibit the expression of sexuality and desire- is unrealistic. Undoubtedly friendships and sexual relationships did unfold within monastic houses throughout the Middle Ages as well as into the modern age. However more interesting is not the fact of such relationships, but the means by which so many members of religious orders sublimated their physical longings into the realm of spirituality.”
    Encyclopedia of Monasticism

    The same can be said for other ages. For example, many sonnets that Michelangelo wrote were viewed as gay by his grandnephew, who changed masculine pronouns to feminine ones. The same was done with Shakespeare’s sonnets on their early editions. On later editions of the 18th century, when the pronouns were corrected, they continued to be perceived as homo. Like the observation of George Steevens in 1780, immediately after the publication of the correct sonnets:

    “it is impossible to read this fulsome panegyrick, addressed to a male object, without an equal mixture of disgust and indignation”

  248. @Vinteuil
    Wow - St Anselm of Canterbury? The Ontological Proof guy?

    Wow – St Anselm of Canterbury? The Ontological Proof guy?

    Yes, the typical gay mamma’s boy. He was a sensitive child, attached by his mother, and suffered much bullyng from his father. He wanted to be a clergy from a early age. But his father, a large landowner in northern Italy, did’t like the idea. So he ran away from home and went to France to become a monk.

  249. @Twinkie

    China’s leaders want to enrich themselves and write their names in the history books.
     
    I've never known political leaders who wanted to be poor and ignored by history. At least their leaders align their ambitions with the greatness of their country and the affluence of their people.

    If China’s leaders presided over a population of Nigerians, the economy would resemble Nigeria’s. Equally, if Nigeria’s leaders ruled over a population of Chinese, that economy would likely resemble China’s.
     
    In my experience, leadership matters and matters a great deal. I am a big believer in the aphorism attributed to Alexander the Great: "I do not fear an army of lions if it is led by a sheep, but I do fear an army of sheep that is led by a lion."

    In my experience, leadership matters and matters a great deal. I am a big believer in the aphorism attributed to Alexander the Great: “I do not fear an army of lions if it is led by a sheep, but I do fear an army of sheep that is led by a lion.”

    Considering that the average Chinese loser (i.e. emigre or exile) does better than the average Chinese, I’d hesitate to call the Chinese leadership “lions”. I have little doubt that they are first rate schemers, because that’s what it takes to get to the top of the greasy pole. But to suggest that they are “lions” is to engage in hyperbole.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Considering that the average Chinese loser (i.e. emigre or exile) does better than the average Chinese
     
    Please kindly clarify as the sentence makes no sense.

    to suggest that they [the Chinese leaders] are “lions”
     
    I didn't. Merely that even lions are less effective when led by a sheep and that even sheep can over-perform with a lion as a leader. It's not all genetics and average IQ.

    As another example, consider the case of the German Schutztruppe in World War I. Typically, sub-Saharan Africans made poor soldiers and were derided as such by European officers and ordinary soldiers alike. Yet, under the very able leadership of Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck, the Askaris under his command performed excellently against overwhelming odds and proved to be highly capable soldiers.

    See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_von_Lettow-Vorbeck

    Also check out Byron Farwell's The Great War in Africa.
  250. @Johann Ricke

    In my experience, leadership matters and matters a great deal. I am a big believer in the aphorism attributed to Alexander the Great: “I do not fear an army of lions if it is led by a sheep, but I do fear an army of sheep that is led by a lion.”
     
    Considering that the average Chinese loser (i.e. emigre or exile) does better than the average Chinese, I'd hesitate to call the Chinese leadership "lions". I have little doubt that they are first rate schemers, because that's what it takes to get to the top of the greasy pole. But to suggest that they are "lions" is to engage in hyperbole.

    Considering that the average Chinese loser (i.e. emigre or exile) does better than the average Chinese

    Please kindly clarify as the sentence makes no sense.

    to suggest that they [the Chinese leaders] are “lions”

    I didn’t. Merely that even lions are less effective when led by a sheep and that even sheep can over-perform with a lion as a leader. It’s not all genetics and average IQ.

    As another example, consider the case of the German Schutztruppe in World War I. Typically, sub-Saharan Africans made poor soldiers and were derided as such by European officers and ordinary soldiers alike. Yet, under the very able leadership of Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck, the Askaris under his command performed excellently against overwhelming odds and proved to be highly capable soldiers.

    See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_von_Lettow-Vorbeck

    Also check out Byron Farwell’s The Great War in Africa.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    Please kindly clarify as the sentence makes no sense.
     
    It's not particularly complicated. On average, the people who leave their ancestral country for a foreign land are not the winners in their country of origin. Chinese emigres or exiles were losers in China who nonetheless have done better than the average Chinese today. People who are doing well in their home country don't uproot themselves thousands of miles away to a foreign land. You are the exception to the rule and then only because you were exposed to foreign influences at an early age thanks to your father's career postings.
  251. @Twinkie

    Considering that the average Chinese loser (i.e. emigre or exile) does better than the average Chinese
     
    Please kindly clarify as the sentence makes no sense.

    to suggest that they [the Chinese leaders] are “lions”
     
    I didn't. Merely that even lions are less effective when led by a sheep and that even sheep can over-perform with a lion as a leader. It's not all genetics and average IQ.

    As another example, consider the case of the German Schutztruppe in World War I. Typically, sub-Saharan Africans made poor soldiers and were derided as such by European officers and ordinary soldiers alike. Yet, under the very able leadership of Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck, the Askaris under his command performed excellently against overwhelming odds and proved to be highly capable soldiers.

    See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_von_Lettow-Vorbeck

    Also check out Byron Farwell's The Great War in Africa.

    Please kindly clarify as the sentence makes no sense.

    It’s not particularly complicated. On average, the people who leave their ancestral country for a foreign land are not the winners in their country of origin. Chinese emigres or exiles were losers in China who nonetheless have done better than the average Chinese today. People who are doing well in their home country don’t uproot themselves thousands of miles away to a foreign land. You are the exception to the rule and then only because you were exposed to foreign influences at an early age thanks to your father’s career postings.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    It’s not particularly complicated. On average, the people who leave their ancestral country for a foreign land are not the winners in their country of origin.
     
    I disagree. I think many are those "losers" who couldn't make it at home and were desperate enough to venture elsewhere. On the other hand, the daring to venture elsewhere has its selection effect, as plenty of losers stayed home and suffered terrible consequences. As the saying goes, qui audet adipiscitur.

    You are the exception to the rule
     
    Why, thank you for not calling me a loser!
  252. @Johann Ricke

    Please kindly clarify as the sentence makes no sense.
     
    It's not particularly complicated. On average, the people who leave their ancestral country for a foreign land are not the winners in their country of origin. Chinese emigres or exiles were losers in China who nonetheless have done better than the average Chinese today. People who are doing well in their home country don't uproot themselves thousands of miles away to a foreign land. You are the exception to the rule and then only because you were exposed to foreign influences at an early age thanks to your father's career postings.

    It’s not particularly complicated. On average, the people who leave their ancestral country for a foreign land are not the winners in their country of origin.

    I disagree. I think many are those “losers” who couldn’t make it at home and were desperate enough to venture elsewhere. On the other hand, the daring to venture elsewhere has its selection effect, as plenty of losers stayed home and suffered terrible consequences. As the saying goes, qui audet adipiscitur.

    You are the exception to the rule

    Why, thank you for not calling me a loser!

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    I think many are those “losers” who couldn’t make it at home and were desperate enough to venture elsewhere. On the other hand, the daring to venture elsewhere has its selection effect, as plenty of losers stayed home and suffered terrible consequences. As the saying goes, qui audet adipiscitur.
     
    I don't think it's a case of courage. It doesn't take courage to flee penury. People fortunate enough to live near the coast got to try their luck. People further inland had to get past more internal checkpoints.

    When I say loser, I don't mean these people are worthless. I mean loser literally as in one who has lost. People lose for all kinds of reasons having nothing to do with ability. The Byzantines were superior to either the Arabs or the Turks who overran their territory. The Romans were superior to the Huns. But all it takes is a moment of weakness at the worst possible time, and that's all she wrote. In the case of Chinese emigres, I'd say they're probably somewhat below average, since it wasn't generally wealthy Chinese who left.
  253. @Twinkie

    It’s not particularly complicated. On average, the people who leave their ancestral country for a foreign land are not the winners in their country of origin.
     
    I disagree. I think many are those "losers" who couldn't make it at home and were desperate enough to venture elsewhere. On the other hand, the daring to venture elsewhere has its selection effect, as plenty of losers stayed home and suffered terrible consequences. As the saying goes, qui audet adipiscitur.

    You are the exception to the rule
     
    Why, thank you for not calling me a loser!

    I think many are those “losers” who couldn’t make it at home and were desperate enough to venture elsewhere. On the other hand, the daring to venture elsewhere has its selection effect, as plenty of losers stayed home and suffered terrible consequences. As the saying goes, qui audet adipiscitur.

    I don’t think it’s a case of courage. It doesn’t take courage to flee penury. People fortunate enough to live near the coast got to try their luck. People further inland had to get past more internal checkpoints.

    When I say loser, I don’t mean these people are worthless. I mean loser literally as in one who has lost. People lose for all kinds of reasons having nothing to do with ability. The Byzantines were superior to either the Arabs or the Turks who overran their territory. The Romans were superior to the Huns. But all it takes is a moment of weakness at the worst possible time, and that’s all she wrote. In the case of Chinese emigres, I’d say they’re probably somewhat below average, since it wasn’t generally wealthy Chinese who left.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    I don’t think it’s a case of courage. It doesn’t take courage to flee penury.
     
    It takes a certain amount of daring to leave all that you know behind. It certainly selects against risk-aversion. As I pointed out, plenty of poor ones stayed home.

    I think that goes for practically all migrants, compared to their ethnic kin who stayed home.
  254. @Johann Ricke

    I think many are those “losers” who couldn’t make it at home and were desperate enough to venture elsewhere. On the other hand, the daring to venture elsewhere has its selection effect, as plenty of losers stayed home and suffered terrible consequences. As the saying goes, qui audet adipiscitur.
     
    I don't think it's a case of courage. It doesn't take courage to flee penury. People fortunate enough to live near the coast got to try their luck. People further inland had to get past more internal checkpoints.

    When I say loser, I don't mean these people are worthless. I mean loser literally as in one who has lost. People lose for all kinds of reasons having nothing to do with ability. The Byzantines were superior to either the Arabs or the Turks who overran their territory. The Romans were superior to the Huns. But all it takes is a moment of weakness at the worst possible time, and that's all she wrote. In the case of Chinese emigres, I'd say they're probably somewhat below average, since it wasn't generally wealthy Chinese who left.

    I don’t think it’s a case of courage. It doesn’t take courage to flee penury.

    It takes a certain amount of daring to leave all that you know behind. It certainly selects against risk-aversion. As I pointed out, plenty of poor ones stayed home.

    I think that goes for practically all migrants, compared to their ethnic kin who stayed home.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  255. @eah
    "model minority"

    I’m a second generation Chinese American...

    More importantly, as I said before when you have apparently relatively intelligent, well-educated, and successful 'model minorities' down-assimilating to the 'hate whitey' level, you know there's a problem.

    https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/1075140792765734912

    It’s that second generation that “assimilates”….alas, to a Jewish-dominated culture that teaches everyone, white kids included, to despise the straight white Christian society that provides them the freedom to allow the Levantine trickster to swindle them out of that freedom.

    Seriously – is it any mystery as to why we are prompted, if not prodded, to demonize the Nazis more and more with every passing year? Who else diagnosed the malaise of modernity with zero obfuscation?

  256. @Twinkie

    the original founding elite, what was genetically and phenotypically similar to Germanics.
     
    No. DNA evidence says otherwise.

    That is why Italians today are nothing like Romans and do not resemble them.
     
    On the contrary, the Italian peninsula has some interesting and variegated pockets of ancestry clusters, many of which seem to date from very far back in time.

    Instead of spouting nonsense, read the latest genetics studies. Try Razib Khan's blog.

    No. DNA evidence says otherwise.

    No it does not, you can provide a single source to support that claim. Physical evidence in the form of re-colorized statues also shows very clearly that the Roman elite were of a Nordic and north-central European appearance.

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