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From the New York Times:

Death Rates Rising for Middle-Aged White Americans, Study Finds
By GINA KOLATA NOV. 2, 2015

Something startling is happening to middle-aged white Americans. Unlike every other age group, unlike every other racial and ethnic group, unlike their counterparts in other rich countries, death rates in this group have been rising, not falling.

That finding was reported Monday by two Princeton economists, Angus Deaton, who last month won the 2015 Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences, and Anne Case. Analyzing health and mortality data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and from other sources, they concluded that rising annual death rates among this group are being driven not by the big killers like heart disease and diabetes but by an epidemic of suicides and afflictions stemming from substance abuse: alcoholic liver disease and overdoses of heroin and prescription opioids.

Remember, merely saying “All Lives Matter” is racist. Thus, the concept that “White Lives Matter” is close to unthinkable.

The suicide of novelist David Foster Wallace might be a highbrow example of the impact of the demoralization of white Americans.

 
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  1. Wallace had sufeed from depression for more than 20 years, starting long before he reached middle age.

    Peter

  2. Remember Dominique Venner?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/far-right-french-historian-78-year-old-dominique-venner-commits-suicide-in-notre-dame-in-protest-8625877.html

    Mr Venner, a prolific author of books and tracts on extreme nationalist themes, has been one of many vociferous critics of the law. Some of his work as a historian has been well-received, incuding a 1981 book on the Red Army which won a prize from the Académie Française. Much of his work has been steeped in the racist ideology of the far-right, apologising for the pro-Hitler regime in Vichy in the Second World war and warning of conspiracies to destroy European civilisation and to swamp the white race.

    These are what you call dog whistles, aren’t they?

    It’s like he had the secret alt-right decoder ring too.

    • Replies: @Seneca
    The following is a quote from Wikipedia on Venner's suicide:

    On 21 May 2013, about 4 p.m., Venner committed suicide by firearm in the cathedral of Notre Dame de Paris,[18] which led to the evacuation of approximately 1,500 people from the cathedral.[19] He had been an opponent of Muslim immigration to France and Europe, as well as what he believed to be the Americanization of European values and — most recently — the legalization of same-sex marriage in France. Despite the choice of Notre Dame as the place of his suicide, Venner was not known to be religious.[20]

    Only hours earlier, he had left a post on his blog, on the subject of forthcoming protests against the legalization of same-sex marriage.[21] In the post, Venner approves of the demonstrators' outrage at an "infamous law", but expresses doubt as to the efficacy of street protests to effect social change. He rebukes the protesters for ignoring the threat of "Afro-Maghreb immigration", which he predicts will lead to a "total replacement of the population of France, and of Europe."[22] He warns, "Peaceful street protests will not be enough to prevent it. [...] It will require new, spectacular, and symbolic actions to rouse people from their complacency [...] We enter into a time when words must be backed up by actions."[22]

    In a letter sent to his colleagues at Radio Courtoisie, he characterizes his suicide as a rebellion "against pervasive individual desires that destroy the anchors of our identity, particularly the family, the intimate base of our multi-millennial society."[21] He explains his decision to commit suicide inside the cathedral: "I chose a highly symbolic place that I respect and admire."[23] According to the rector of Notre Dame de Paris, Venner left behind a letter for investigators.[24] It was subsequently reported that Venner was suffering from a serious illness at the time of his suicide.[21]

    Shortly after his death was reported, a number of far-right personalities paid tribute to Venner and commended his public suicide. Marine Le Pen issued a tweet: "All our respect to Dominique Venner, whose final gesture, eminently political, was to try to awaken the people of France."[25] Bruno Gollnisch described him as an "extremely brilliant intellectual" whose death was "a protest against the decadence of our society."[25]
  3. Most of this group, which includes me, was born just at the time when the foreign-born population hit a 100+ year low. They arrived in a stable, prosperous, very white civiliation only to see it start evaporating away without end.

    http://bit.ly/1M88TNv

  4. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Decadence kills.

    X-ers are X-iting.

    Part of the reason is they never grew up.

    As an ‘X-er’ who observed X-er behavior, so many guys never grew up.

    One guy was only into chasing after rock concerts. Another was just into chasing girls with no long term consequence. Another is just a video game nut. Another is just a computer dweeb. No thought of marriage, family, and etc.

    Not that the women are any better among X-ers. Most never grow beyond the emotional age of 15. They are stuck in teen mentality forever and think they’ll be young forever.

    Maybe more guys off themselves cuz they are bolder in abuses(with drugs) and in using violence to blow their brains out. But I know there’s a lot of female misery as well.

    But I reckon it will get worse with the Millennials who are the dumbest and moronic generation ever.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Excellent point, but think about it: why should a guy in, say, the bottom quarter of the attractiveness distribution (and a quarter of guys are) bother trying to 'man up' and raise a family?

    The only women we can get are porkers. If we marry them, we risk paying alimony for years if things go wrong.

    And remember, someone will always be in the bottom quartile.
    , @Alice in Wanderland


    As an ‘X-er’ who observed X-er behavior, so many guys never grew up.

     

    To be fair, lots of gen X girls never grew up either. Ask me how I know.
    , @Bill P

    Decadence kills.

    X-ers are X-iting.

    Part of the reason is they never grew up.

    As an ‘X-er’ who observed X-er behavior, so many guys never grew up.
     
    I call foul. I'm an Xer who started working my sophomore year in high school. My parents left me the hell alone when I was a little kid to take care of my own needs. I was a "latchkey kid" and it suited me fine.

    Among middle and working class Xers I think you'll find a lot of people who are more capable of taking care of themselves than their boomer parents. Also people who are better at handling poverty, adversity, etc.

    The reason middle-aged whites have a higher death rate is because life is harder than it used to be. Significantly harder. If you don't think so, vote Jeb!
    , @unpc downunder
    Some possible factors for rising white mortality:

    Easier access to hard core drugs thanks to increased Asian and Hispanic Immigration and travel (in my part of the world most Class A drugs come from China).

    Increasing drug and alcohol use among females

    Rural economic stagnation

    Widening economic gap between rich and poor whites

    White getting increasingly stressed out about economic problems, paticuluraly paying morgages and farm and business loans (white male farmers are among the most most likely people to commit suicide).
    , @AndrewR

    the Millennials who are the dumbest and moronic generation ever.
     
    This comment says nothing about Millennials, but everything about you.
  5. When people have nothing to live for, they often kill themselves. They do it slowly and by proxy with drugs and alcohol or fast and deliberately with OD’s, nooses and gunshots to the head.

    In my dream world, every candidate for President, Republican and Democrat, would describe what they would do to correct the social conditions that have left such a large segment of the population without hope. They would do this not with vague generalities, such as “I would have the most fantastic jobs program” (yes, Mr Trump, I’m talking to you), or with transparent lies about more job training or opportunities in “alternative energy” or more hi-tech jobs, but with concrete proposals like “I will fine every company that moves jobs abroad or imports foreign workers to replace American workers $1,000/day per job.”

    And I would give money to any candidate who spoke honestly about how the responsibility lies both on the right and the left – how championing greedy capitalism and worshiping free trade while simultaneously removing all moral restraint on the left half of the curve has been an unmitigated social disaster that is destroying our country. I would double the contribution if he pointed out that there is no solution to this disaster that does not cost money – money in higher taxes or money in higher costs for goods and services.

    Attention must be paid …

    • Agree: backup
  6. They sort of allude to it in the article, but it seems to be most concentrated at the bottom of the social ladder.

    Probably poor whites feel deserted by everyone. And, you know…they are.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    Probably poor whites feel deserted by everyone. And, you know…they are.

    By their wives - if they have them.

    By their politicians.

    By their employers.

    By the culture.

    Yep.
    , @Truth
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuNhTLVgV2Y

    ...welcome to the club...
  7. I’d think obesity would be the likeliest explanation for this datum. Americans in general are getting pretty damn fat these days, and whites are certainly not any exception to that.

    • Replies: @Anton
    Reasonable conjecture, but the study examined obesity and found that it made only a small contribution to the outcomes.
    , @Stephen R. Diamond
    That doesn't explain the racial differential, particularly since negroes are more obese.
  8. 1/ I translate increases in ‘joint pain’ to be side-effects from increasing obesity. I suspect that increased levels of obesity-even if they don’t cause heart disease will cause ‘joint pain’ as well as making it more difficult to socialize.

    2/ There’s no mention of any m/f difference. If true that may negate a few theories. If false…

    3/ See also ‘Fishtown’.

  9. White people don’t thrive in captivity.

    • Replies: @oh its just me
    Heh...
    Yeah 50+ years of our elite endlessly trying to demoralize us , break social bonds, demonize our ancestors.... in other words, the dream of the hostile elite are finally reality...
  10. I’d like to see a breakout by suicide and “afflictions”.

    I see both increasing in my cohort:

    ) Modern food and drugs taste too good.

    ) The conscientious are given more to worry about (#blacklivesmatter! Do something about it! Now!) with more oversight (#GoPro) and fewer support groups (#mock traditional religion).

    • Replies: @bomag
    Okay, I see there is a chart on the sidebar dealing with this.

    My favorite comment over there so far is a Kathryn from Brooklyn:

    "It's probably all of your former readers giving up from the constant negative mentioning of their race and sex in your titles and articles. You certainly contribute to the overall cultural angst and stress. Every time I read something nasty in your paper, I read a paper from your archives (an issue from 1950, for instance). It proves to me that your writers and editors didn't used to heap out so much bias and negativity on any given group (this heaping being a new form of racism.)..."
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    I've never seen data published on what the suicide rate is for Asian males in the US. I can't imagine anything being more suicide-inducing than being told by society that you are sexually worthless.
  11. Not a surprise to anyone who has spent any amount of time in the Midwest. Endless mergers, acquisitions and bankruptcies have simply emptied out these places of jobs. Desperation reeks everywhere. Truly, the lowest regarded people in society today are whites without a high school education. But if you are a 1/4 black like MHP, you’re golden

    • Replies: @IBC

    Truly, the lowest regarded people in society today are whites without a high school education. But if you are a 1/4 black like MHP, you’re golden
     
    I think it was in an episode of the PBS sociological documentary, "People Like Us, where a black man who'd grown up poor in the rural South, described how in the local social hierarchy, it had actually been the "white trash" who were at the very bottom, because materially they weren't any better off than the black folks even though they had the privilege of being white. They had no excuse for being poor or for behaving badly. (I don't remember exactly what he said). I think this sentiment is actually pretty widespread and is probably especially prevalent among non-white immigrants who have to interact with the white underclass, although I'm sure there are also many who are sympathetic or who don't even think about the issue.
  12. I know a lot of people here will blame economics or diversity, but the true culprit is feminism and sexual liberation, which is infinitely more harmful.

    You can survive just about anything if you’ve got a wife and kids in your life. That’s why the suicide rate in the Middle East is pretty much 0.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    Polygamy in MENA means a lot of men end up dating their hand. Something is wrong about that comparison.
  13. ” . . . [D]emoralization of white Americans” is a very apt phrase that links a whole lotta phenomena. When I declined a promotion years ago, a white woman I hardly knew said to me in a sort of knowing, dismissive way: “You have a problem working for a strong black woman.” What I had a problem with was having my job skills used by a rage-filled black lesbian to cover for her behavioral defects. (She was technically competent.) The white guy who took the job complained of just that. The organization finally hired a white female supervisor to do actual supervision, while the problematic supervisor remained on supervisor’s pay, but went back to hourly work.

    Then there’s the black guy earning twice my income who feared my on-the-job aggressiveness and initiative so much he regularly threatened me with dismissal or reprimand, and, very occasionally, played the race card. That he earned twice what I did didn’t seem to strike him.

    Did race actually have anything to do with these and other similar incidents? I can’t be sure. What I do know from my experience at a mostly black high school is that some blacks are preternaturally frightened of high-competence whites. Fight-or-flight kicks in with them, or acting-out behavior, or something.

    Incidents like the ones above have been very rare in my working life, but they were very real. Both occurred in organizations where I’d first wanted to advance until I recognized I’d never get through the pattern of racial preferences, white ethnic cronyism, and other irregular hiring practices.

    • Replies: @Truth



    Did race actually have anything to do with these and other similar incidents?
     
    I have the sneaking suspicion that it did; on your part.
  14. I’m in my 40s, and this fits anecdotally with what I’ve seen among my (white) peers.

    Meanwhile: While reading this article, I got a text from my dad. He took an early retirement a few years ago (something I cannot look forward to unless I win the lottery) and he was sending me photos from his beach condo, which is bigger than my house.

    “Keep working and paying into Social Security so I can continue to enjoy all this!” he wrote.

    I am not making that up.

    So, you know, there’s that angle.

    • Replies: @Beach

    Meanwhile: While reading this article, I got a text from my dad. He took an early retirement a few years ago (something I cannot look forward to unless I win the lottery) and he was sending me photos from his beach condo, which is bigger than my house.
     
    ...

    So, you know, there’s that angle.
     
    Yes, and (assuming no bad blood) when he dies, you will inherit it. So, you know, there's that angle, too.
    , @Truth

    Meanwhile: While reading this article, I got a text from my dad. He took an early retirement a few years ago (something I cannot look forward to unless I win the lottery) and he was sending me photos from his beach condo, which is bigger than my house.

    “Keep working and paying into Social Security so I can continue to enjoy all this!” he wrote.
     
    My friend, for a second, let's just ignore my suspicion that your problems are well beyond the scale of this article, and focus on how your father can afford a beach condo "bigger than your house" on a $1,400 a month social security check...
  15. @Anon
    Decadence kills.

    X-ers are X-iting.

    Part of the reason is they never grew up.

    As an 'X-er' who observed X-er behavior, so many guys never grew up.

    One guy was only into chasing after rock concerts. Another was just into chasing girls with no long term consequence. Another is just a video game nut. Another is just a computer dweeb. No thought of marriage, family, and etc.

    Not that the women are any better among X-ers. Most never grow beyond the emotional age of 15. They are stuck in teen mentality forever and think they'll be young forever.

    Maybe more guys off themselves cuz they are bolder in abuses(with drugs) and in using violence to blow their brains out. But I know there's a lot of female misery as well.

    But I reckon it will get worse with the Millennials who are the dumbest and moronic generation ever.

    Excellent point, but think about it: why should a guy in, say, the bottom quarter of the attractiveness distribution (and a quarter of guys are) bother trying to ‘man up’ and raise a family?

    The only women we can get are porkers. If we marry them, we risk paying alimony for years if things go wrong.

    And remember, someone will always be in the bottom quartile.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    Look at it from the woman's perspective. The bottom quarter of men are not catches either.
    , @Mr. Blank

    And remember, someone will always be in the bottom quartile.
     
    The way our society's elites have seemingly forgotten this simple fact — and seem incapable of re-learning it — explains so much of what's wrong with the world today...
    , @Truth

    Excellent point, but think about it: why should a guy in, say, the bottom quarter of the attractiveness distribution (and a quarter of guys are) bother trying to ‘man up’ and raise a family?
     
    Hey, just do what the smarter members of your exact cohort do; go to Manila waving your passport around as a modern-day codpiece.
    , @Truth

    The only women we can get are porkers. If we marry them, we risk paying alimony for years if things go wrong.
     
    It's not that bad, Sport. I just read where it has been scientifically proven that a born loser such as yourself can dramatically raise his prospects in the marriage market...simply by learning to Dougie...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfy1tKfJjKw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtVLz8QwZfc
  16. @SFG
    Excellent point, but think about it: why should a guy in, say, the bottom quarter of the attractiveness distribution (and a quarter of guys are) bother trying to 'man up' and raise a family?

    The only women we can get are porkers. If we marry them, we risk paying alimony for years if things go wrong.

    And remember, someone will always be in the bottom quartile.

    Look at it from the woman’s perspective. The bottom quarter of men are not catches either.

  17. @Hepp
    I know a lot of people here will blame economics or diversity, but the true culprit is feminism and sexual liberation, which is infinitely more harmful.

    You can survive just about anything if you've got a wife and kids in your life. That's why the suicide rate in the Middle East is pretty much 0.

    Polygamy in MENA means a lot of men end up dating their hand. Something is wrong about that comparison.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    Or corn holing young boys.

    Peter
    , @Hepp

    Polygamy in MENA means a lot of men end up dating their hand.
     
    Only a small minority of marriages in those countries are polygamous. I bet the odds of being single are a lot lower than they are in the West, especially if you're a "beta" type who can be a decent provider but are not very social.

    Plus, those who don't have wives at least have brothers, sisters, nieces and nephews.
  18. So, losers off themselves when they inevitably fail?

    If you are a white male and are not married with children with a good career by the time you are 30 you are pretty much a piece of crap and a waste of space.

    Its the brutal truth

    Good riddance to bad rubbish.

    I will say this: the millennials are a lot more responsible than men used to be so I see this trend reversing.

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams

    If you are a white male and are not married with children with a good career by the time you are 30 you are pretty much a piece of crap and a waste of space.
     
    Yeah! Just toss yourself in history's dustbin with Plato, Francis Bacon, Adolf Hitler, and all the other inconsequential people we've forgotten.
    , @bomag
    If you are a white male and are not married with children with a good career by the time you are 30 you are pretty much a piece of crap and a waste of space.

    Apparently White males have a singular duty to be in harness pulling society forward.

    If my experience is any guide, there is no duty on Black and Hispanic men to be productive; if anything they are applauded for being major drains on society via incarceration; medical costs; crime; welfare; etc. When looking for waste and crap, we all know where to start.
    , @AndrewR
    Steve why do you allow shitty trollbait like this through?
    , @Truth

    If you are a white male and are not married with children with a good career by the time you are 30 you are pretty much a piece of crap and a waste of space.
     
    LOL, wow, as Rodney Dangerfield used to say; "ay, it's a rough crowd!"
    , @John Rebel
    So, since I'm in my 30s and not married with kids....but I'm not white, does that mean I'm not a loser in your eyes? LOL
    , @Kylie
    "If you are a white male and are not married with children with a good career by the time you are 30 you are pretty much a piece of crap and a waste of space."

    Or you are Franz Schubert.
  19. Drug overdoses are epidemic here in SW Florida. Manatee County had three times as many OD deaths in 2o14 as in 2013 and it has increased again in 2015. The reason: addicts have had to switch from prescription opioids like oxycodone to heroin. The Pill Mills were shut down but, even worse, the DEA has made getting pain killers difficult even if you have a legitimate Rx. Pharmacies don’t stock them and doctors are scrutinized if they write Rx for them. The DEA even tries to choke off the supply big Pharma can supply to a state. Oxycodone pills have tripled in price on the street if you can find them so the DEA has literally forced addicts to buy from Mexican heroin cartels.

    http://www.bradenton.com/news/local/heroin-epidemic/article40952922.html

  20. @SFG
    Excellent point, but think about it: why should a guy in, say, the bottom quarter of the attractiveness distribution (and a quarter of guys are) bother trying to 'man up' and raise a family?

    The only women we can get are porkers. If we marry them, we risk paying alimony for years if things go wrong.

    And remember, someone will always be in the bottom quartile.

    And remember, someone will always be in the bottom quartile.

    The way our society’s elites have seemingly forgotten this simple fact — and seem incapable of re-learning it — explains so much of what’s wrong with the world today…

  21. @bomag
    I'd like to see a breakout by suicide and "afflictions".

    I see both increasing in my cohort:

    ) Modern food and drugs taste too good.

    ) The conscientious are given more to worry about (#blacklivesmatter! Do something about it! Now!) with more oversight (#GoPro) and fewer support groups (#mock traditional religion).

    Okay, I see there is a chart on the sidebar dealing with this.

    My favorite comment over there so far is a Kathryn from Brooklyn:

    “It’s probably all of your former readers giving up from the constant negative mentioning of their race and sex in your titles and articles. You certainly contribute to the overall cultural angst and stress. Every time I read something nasty in your paper, I read a paper from your archives (an issue from 1950, for instance). It proves to me that your writers and editors didn’t used to heap out so much bias and negativity on any given group (this heaping being a new form of racism.)…”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Yes, I could imagine that this kind of thing has a depressive effect.
    , @WhatEvvs
    I'm telling you, the commenters at the NY Times are rising up in protest. When you've lost the NY Times' readership.....
  22. @bomag
    Okay, I see there is a chart on the sidebar dealing with this.

    My favorite comment over there so far is a Kathryn from Brooklyn:

    "It's probably all of your former readers giving up from the constant negative mentioning of their race and sex in your titles and articles. You certainly contribute to the overall cultural angst and stress. Every time I read something nasty in your paper, I read a paper from your archives (an issue from 1950, for instance). It proves to me that your writers and editors didn't used to heap out so much bias and negativity on any given group (this heaping being a new form of racism.)..."

    Yes, I could imagine that this kind of thing has a depressive effect.

    • Replies: @Truth
    So a race of people can be demoralized by decades (not even centuries) of all-encompassing negative publicity, to the point where they, collectively start making awful and self-hating decisions?

    Steve, you're making this up.
  23. @Anonym
    Polygamy in MENA means a lot of men end up dating their hand. Something is wrong about that comparison.

    Or corn holing young boys.

    Peter

  24. WTF Ron? I can’t use my long established handle anymore because the fake email address doesn’t match? I made a fake email up every comment in the past and now my screen name is not available. When did the rules change?

  25. @Justin
    White people don't thrive in captivity.

    Heh…
    Yeah 50+ years of our elite endlessly trying to demoralize us , break social bonds, demonize our ancestors…. in other words, the dream of the hostile elite are finally reality…

  26. @Anonym
    Polygamy in MENA means a lot of men end up dating their hand. Something is wrong about that comparison.

    Polygamy in MENA means a lot of men end up dating their hand.

    Only a small minority of marriages in those countries are polygamous. I bet the odds of being single are a lot lower than they are in the West, especially if you’re a “beta” type who can be a decent provider but are not very social.

    Plus, those who don’t have wives at least have brothers, sisters, nieces and nephews.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    My vague impression is that the age of marriage for men is rising in overpopulated countries like Egypt: it's Ben Franklin 101.
  27. White females from lower socio-economic backgrounds began a sharp increase in mortality a few years ago, exceeding that of non-whites of comparable age, 30-50s. In my experience, I’ve seen a increase of breast and lung cancers in women under 65. Lower-SES white females are the demographic most likely to smoke. Most men quit. I don’t know how it’s affecting overall statistics but no fewer than twelve personally known white females (low SES) have died in their 40s-50s in the last 12 years years. I suspect it’s a general trend

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    I don’t know how it’s affecting overall statistics but no fewer than twelve personally known white females (low SES) have died in their 40s-50s in the last 12 years years.
     
    I've seen more drinking amongst white females over my lifetime. Even higher-income women. It's not unusual for them to down a bottle of chardonnay with dinner. Every day. That has to take a toll on your physical and psychological health. Beverage alcohol is a Group 1 carcinogen.
  28. @Hepp

    Polygamy in MENA means a lot of men end up dating their hand.
     
    Only a small minority of marriages in those countries are polygamous. I bet the odds of being single are a lot lower than they are in the West, especially if you're a "beta" type who can be a decent provider but are not very social.

    Plus, those who don't have wives at least have brothers, sisters, nieces and nephews.

    My vague impression is that the age of marriage for men is rising in overpopulated countries like Egypt: it’s Ben Franklin 101.

    • Replies: @Hepp
    Although it is not a great place to live by our standards, Egypt is a lot wealthier than it's ever been. Fertility is driven by culture and HBD variables, not economics. Nigeria and Afghanistan are in no sense more "affordable" (i.e. abler to provide a better standard of living) than Japan and Germany.
    , @Romanian
    That's not surprising. In polygamous societies, men start collecting wives when they're older, because they are better established and they can pay the bride price. It was in that article by Peter Frost.

    The age of the men has no bearing on fertility rates, because the wives are all young when they marry. So, one should look at age of marriage for women to see social change.

    I read somewhere and I've never seen it discussed that immigration to the West is also a way to get around certain pesky requirements. In Saudi Arabia, you have to prove to the state that you can support more than one wife before they allow you to marry a second, third, fourth. In Britain, where polygamy is not recognized, there is nothing keeping a sponger from religiously marrying to his heart's content, regardless of suitability, so long as the families of the girls agree. Thus, immigration might be dysgenic even for the immigrant population when you think about the effects of one bad apple.
  29. People who read the Book of Proverbs are less likely to put the non-obese of either sex on a pedestal; less likely to grovel to those who make suspiciously pleasant drugs available; less likely to give in to their selfish inclinations. Fewer people now read the Book of Proverbs than in previous years. Consequently, suicidal behaviors are up. That being said, both of my friends who committed suicide (early 80s, late 90s) were, as an earlier commenter said, in “the bottom quartile of attractiveness”, hard as they tried not to be (to brutally simplify – and I am allowed to be brutal about the facts, since I non-brutally pray for the poor guys nearly every day of my life – they were unmistakably in that bottom quartile, despite endless hours at the gym for one of them – well, a few hours, anyway… and for the other one, exhausting attempts at being an accomplished hipster folk singer, that sort of thing). I had moved away from the towns my friends lived in long before their suicides. When obesity rates triple, as they have in recent years, the bottom quarter of male attractiveness is, for those men (and for those lesbians) who idolize the comparative good of sexual pleasure with average or above average women, a very very bad place to be. I wish I had been there for my poor idolatrous friends to talk them out of their idolization problems. I would have explained to them that, with the exception of the morbidly obese, overweight women can be very pleasant sexual partners, within a loving committed relationship. Those who know that are at a lower risk for suicide, I kid you not. Also, and equally important (yes I understand statistics) pleasant drugs and violent dramatic gestures should be repulsive to people who other people care about, one just needs to discover, or rediscover, those people who care about you. Anyway, I too have read the Book of Proverbs and regret not being as true a friend as I should have been. If you don’t want to read the whole book, just pick a number from one to nine and read again and again the chapters ending in that number (1, 11, 21, 31; 2, 12, 22.; my favorites, 7, 17, 27).

  30. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:
    @bomag
    Okay, I see there is a chart on the sidebar dealing with this.

    My favorite comment over there so far is a Kathryn from Brooklyn:

    "It's probably all of your former readers giving up from the constant negative mentioning of their race and sex in your titles and articles. You certainly contribute to the overall cultural angst and stress. Every time I read something nasty in your paper, I read a paper from your archives (an issue from 1950, for instance). It proves to me that your writers and editors didn't used to heap out so much bias and negativity on any given group (this heaping being a new form of racism.)..."

    I’m telling you, the commenters at the NY Times are rising up in protest. When you’ve lost the NY Times’ readership…..

    • Replies: @peterike
    I’m telling you, the commenters at the NY Times are rising up in protest. When you’ve lost the NY Times’ readership…..

    Maybe, but 95% of them will still be voting for Hillary.
  31. Pathetic. It’s ridiculous when people attribute minority dysfunction to societal factors. It’s just as sad to read all these comments blaming societal trends for the increase in white mortality.

    Individuals decide their own fate. If you have a crappy job, work hard to get a better one. If you are overweight, get off the couch and run around the block instead of eating more Fritos. And for Christ’s sake, if you must indulge in an illegal intoxicant, go find yourself a weed dealer instead of smoking meth and popping OxyContin.

    None of this stuff is easy (except for finding the weed dealer part). But, who said life was easy? The best things in life are those paid for in toil, sweat and diligence.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Pathetic. It’s ridiculous when people attribute minority dysfunction to societal factors. It’s just as sad to read all these comments blaming societal trends for the increase in white mortality.
     
    Sure -- blame the victims.
    , @Reg Cæsar


    None of this stuff is easy (except for finding the weed dealer part). But, who said life was easy? The best things in life are those paid for in toil, sweat and diligence…

     


     
    …and riding NJ Transit.
    , @Das
    Eh, it looks like you're expecting a "Lake Wobegon" effect here. The reality is that not everyone can be above average.

    Even if the entire population ups their game, some people are going to be left at the bottom.

    America used to have lots and lots of well-paying jobs, so even if you were at the 25th percentile of society, you could still hold down a reasonable middle class existence. That's no longer true.

    And if your life turns out to much worse than your parents', and much worse than what you were raised to expect, of course it will raise the chance that you off yourself.
    , @5371
    Libertarians are a treat.
    , @bomag
    It’s ridiculous when people attribute minority dysfunction to societal factors. It’s just as sad to read all these comments blaming societal trends for the increase in white mortality.

    You are misstating things. It is BOTH nature and nurture, not just one or the other.

    Those of European ancestry are genetically disposed to be empathetic towards a larger community, and have a high level of conscientiousness; things that leave them more prone to suicide and desultory living in the presence of the current propaganda campaign.
    , @27 year old
    if you have a crappy job, work hard to get a better one.

    oh, NOW you tell me... why didn't anyone tell me?
  32. @Acilius
    I'd think obesity would be the likeliest explanation for this datum. Americans in general are getting pretty damn fat these days, and whites are certainly not any exception to that.

    Reasonable conjecture, but the study examined obesity and found that it made only a small contribution to the outcomes.

  33. @Steve Sailer
    My vague impression is that the age of marriage for men is rising in overpopulated countries like Egypt: it's Ben Franklin 101.

    Although it is not a great place to live by our standards, Egypt is a lot wealthier than it’s ever been. Fertility is driven by culture and HBD variables, not economics. Nigeria and Afghanistan are in no sense more “affordable” (i.e. abler to provide a better standard of living) than Japan and Germany.

  34. @Anon
    Decadence kills.

    X-ers are X-iting.

    Part of the reason is they never grew up.

    As an 'X-er' who observed X-er behavior, so many guys never grew up.

    One guy was only into chasing after rock concerts. Another was just into chasing girls with no long term consequence. Another is just a video game nut. Another is just a computer dweeb. No thought of marriage, family, and etc.

    Not that the women are any better among X-ers. Most never grow beyond the emotional age of 15. They are stuck in teen mentality forever and think they'll be young forever.

    Maybe more guys off themselves cuz they are bolder in abuses(with drugs) and in using violence to blow their brains out. But I know there's a lot of female misery as well.

    But I reckon it will get worse with the Millennials who are the dumbest and moronic generation ever.

    As an ‘X-er’ who observed X-er behavior, so many guys never grew up.

    To be fair, lots of gen X girls never grew up either. Ask me how I know.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    To be fair, lots of gen X girls never grew up either. Ask me how I know.

     

    But their tattoos are more tasteful.
  35. Dare I suggest that healthier whites chose to have fewer children on average than less healthy aka poor whites. So all we are seeing is the dysgenic trend. Maybe, maybe not.

  36. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The US is turning into crap for the average white person. People are being bombarded from every angle so that it’s all become some unrewarding rat race. Visiting the cemetery now and then for some years now I’ve noticed a lot of new residents who are surprisingly young, late 40′s to early 50′s, and have scratched my head about it. What’s going on? There has to be more to it than just pill-popping.

  37. Isn’t this something along the lines of what happened in Russia before Putin? I think Anatoly Karlin had a detailed post a while back indicating that Russia’s demographic problems have largely subsided in the Putin Era, one of the many reasons he has a 90% approval rating and our own elites are sometimes struggling to break 20%.

    I’ve been saying for years we should send a delegation of American Notables to Moscow to offer Putin the American Throne. Betcha he’d solve our domestic problems double-quick since he’s had lots of experience handling parasitic Oligarch-types…

    • Replies: @JackOH
    Ron--off-topic--a tip of the hat to you on your "Unz Review". I'm a new reader. I've done some very small-time local politicking, so I know how difficult it can be to get a robust, well-rounded opinion into public consciousness. "UR" is doing a good job with ideas.
    , @Truth

    one of the many reasons he has a 90% approval rating and our own elites are sometimes struggling to break 20%.
     
    Stalin's approval ratings were pretty high as well, as were Gorbachev's. Generally from what I remembered they tended to get re-elected pretty easily.
    , @Bad memories
    Ron Unz appears to be a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.
  38. Owing to Open Borders Perpetual Mass Third World Imminvasion and H-1B supplanting of White American workers, massive long-term White unemployment and the concomitant monotonous Megaphonist top-&-bottom-against-the-middle demonization of White Americans seem to be having their desired and intended effects.

    Either that, or middle-aged Whites are just obeying Oprah’s exhortation to their old White Racist selves to just “hurry up and die.”

  39. This must be the “demographic pruning” that Oprah spoke of a few years ago.

  40. @Tiny Duck
    So, losers off themselves when they inevitably fail?

    If you are a white male and are not married with children with a good career by the time you are 30 you are pretty much a piece of crap and a waste of space.

    Its the brutal truth

    Good riddance to bad rubbish.

    I will say this: the millennials are a lot more responsible than men used to be so I see this trend reversing.

    If you are a white male and are not married with children with a good career by the time you are 30 you are pretty much a piece of crap and a waste of space.

    Yeah! Just toss yourself in history’s dustbin with Plato, Francis Bacon, Adolf Hitler, and all the other inconsequential people we’ve forgotten.

  41. I think this is an artifact of the demographic changing (for people 45-54) that didn’t go to college. In 1999, this included people born in 1945. In 2013, it included people born in 1968.

    People that go to college tend to be smarter. Smarter people have lower death rates. We’re probably seeing a change because more people are going to college. Those that don’t go to college aren’t as smart, and the death rate goes up.

    In 1967 (1945+22), it wasn’t that big a deal to not have a college degree. In 1990 (1968+22) it was.

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/old-and-wise/

    • Replies: @Robert Hume
    So why do Hispanics have lower death rates? I think it's because their prospects are improving, not degrading.
  42. @Anon
    Decadence kills.

    X-ers are X-iting.

    Part of the reason is they never grew up.

    As an 'X-er' who observed X-er behavior, so many guys never grew up.

    One guy was only into chasing after rock concerts. Another was just into chasing girls with no long term consequence. Another is just a video game nut. Another is just a computer dweeb. No thought of marriage, family, and etc.

    Not that the women are any better among X-ers. Most never grow beyond the emotional age of 15. They are stuck in teen mentality forever and think they'll be young forever.

    Maybe more guys off themselves cuz they are bolder in abuses(with drugs) and in using violence to blow their brains out. But I know there's a lot of female misery as well.

    But I reckon it will get worse with the Millennials who are the dumbest and moronic generation ever.

    Decadence kills.

    X-ers are X-iting.

    Part of the reason is they never grew up.

    As an ‘X-er’ who observed X-er behavior, so many guys never grew up.

    I call foul. I’m an Xer who started working my sophomore year in high school. My parents left me the hell alone when I was a little kid to take care of my own needs. I was a “latchkey kid” and it suited me fine.

    Among middle and working class Xers I think you’ll find a lot of people who are more capable of taking care of themselves than their boomer parents. Also people who are better at handling poverty, adversity, etc.

    The reason middle-aged whites have a higher death rate is because life is harder than it used to be. Significantly harder. If you don’t think so, vote Jeb!

  43. “David M. Cutler, a Harvard health care economist, said that although it was known that people were dying from causes like opioid addiction.”

    You wonder if that’s a consequence of whites having better healthcare – people are often first exposed to such drugs for legitimate medical reasons. I’ve never used illegal narcotics, but my exposure to hydrocodone, supposedly fairly mild as prescription painkillers go, was enough to convince me of the lure of addiction. Whites with decent health insurance would be able to come up with enough excuses to be prescribed these often enough to start an addiction.

    Another factor is that whites tend to have higher expectations of themselves than blacks or Hispanics do. If you’re black or Hispanic you be a mooch for the whole of your life. Expectations are low, and you’ve got plenty of company. Whites who manage not to succeed must feel pretty lonely, by comparison.

    Another contributing factor must be the increase in divorce rates, and the rising number of people who reach middle age having never married at all. People are increasingly unwilling to remained hitched to a spouse who has fallen on hard times. Those who reach middle age unmarried must look around and find themselves at something of a dead end. Same goes with those who reach middle age and find themselves professionally unfulfilled.

    And finally, the people at or near the bottom are those who benefit most from a “system” – a set of rules to follow that lead to greatest happiness. For the last 40-50 that system has been mocked, undermined, and destroyed. it is gone. There are no rules to follow to attain happiness. You find it on your own, or you don’t.

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams

    For the last 40-50 that system has been mocked, undermined, and destroyed.
     
    Truth. The modern world is ugly and strange. "Grit your teeth through the chemo, sir. Don't you want to see your son complete his sex-change therapy?"
  44. @Acilius
    I'd think obesity would be the likeliest explanation for this datum. Americans in general are getting pretty damn fat these days, and whites are certainly not any exception to that.

    That doesn’t explain the racial differential, particularly since negroes are more obese.

  45. @Anon
    Decadence kills.

    X-ers are X-iting.

    Part of the reason is they never grew up.

    As an 'X-er' who observed X-er behavior, so many guys never grew up.

    One guy was only into chasing after rock concerts. Another was just into chasing girls with no long term consequence. Another is just a video game nut. Another is just a computer dweeb. No thought of marriage, family, and etc.

    Not that the women are any better among X-ers. Most never grow beyond the emotional age of 15. They are stuck in teen mentality forever and think they'll be young forever.

    Maybe more guys off themselves cuz they are bolder in abuses(with drugs) and in using violence to blow their brains out. But I know there's a lot of female misery as well.

    But I reckon it will get worse with the Millennials who are the dumbest and moronic generation ever.

    Some possible factors for rising white mortality:

    Easier access to hard core drugs thanks to increased Asian and Hispanic Immigration and travel (in my part of the world most Class A drugs come from China).

    Increasing drug and alcohol use among females

    Rural economic stagnation

    Widening economic gap between rich and poor whites

    White getting increasingly stressed out about economic problems, paticuluraly paying morgages and farm and business loans (white male farmers are among the most most likely people to commit suicide).

  46. The problem with the libertarian-style idea of letting these poor whites pass into oblivion because of their bad choices seems not only cruel but a little muddle-headed. Poor whites are the most openly antagonized group in the modern paradigm; the fact that as a group they are failing unto death is not an instance of meritocracy in action. People who can observe the failure of low class whites without any sense of horror are probably following their libertarian principles to the point of absurdity. (Libertarians, why weren’t low class whites failing so spectacularly in the 1950s, for example?)
    Noblesse oblige, on the other hand, is a beautiful bit of humanity. Properly, noblesse oblige is not ordered to sustaining the lower classes as parasites forever living off of the higher classes. Rather, I think it is meant to give the low classes the best conditions for whatever limited kind of success they can achieve. Noblesse oblige, the high-minded guidance of the lower classes for the sake of the nation’s common good, is the debt that the innately gifted owe to the nation’s common blood.

    • Agree: Romanian, Anonym
    • Replies: @Romanian

    Noblesse oblige, on the other hand, is a beautiful bit of humanity. Properly, noblesse oblige is not ordered to sustaining the lower classes as parasites forever living off of the higher classes. Rather, I think it is meant to give the low classes the best conditions for whatever limited kind of success they can achieve. Noblesse oblige, the high-minded guidance of the lower classes for the sake of the nation’s common good, is the debt that the innately gifted owe to the nation’s common blood.
     
    That's very interesting. I'm going to steal this.
    , @bomag
    The problem with the libertarian-style idea of letting these poor whites pass into oblivion because of their bad choices seems not only cruel but a little muddle-headed.

    Indeed. Libertarians preach the gospel of economic meritocracy with the message that everyone will unleash their inner Henry Ford and become rich. They leave out the real possibility that many will "fail unto death".
    , @random observer
    I could see smoothing the edges for various audiences, but that's one of the finest mission statements for elitism and elite self-consciousness that I have ever seen.

    As long as that last clause is included. Ideally, the common blood is the pool from which the elite is regularly refreshed, and taking care of it also means the elite's less impressive descendants do not fall so far in the future, either.

    I don't think there is any numerically significant society in the world today that actually operates on these principles, sadly.
  47. @Wilkey
    "David M. Cutler, a Harvard health care economist, said that although it was known that people were dying from causes like opioid addiction."

    You wonder if that's a consequence of whites having better healthcare - people are often first exposed to such drugs for legitimate medical reasons. I've never used illegal narcotics, but my exposure to hydrocodone, supposedly fairly mild as prescription painkillers go, was enough to convince me of the lure of addiction. Whites with decent health insurance would be able to come up with enough excuses to be prescribed these often enough to start an addiction.

    Another factor is that whites tend to have higher expectations of themselves than blacks or Hispanics do. If you're black or Hispanic you be a mooch for the whole of your life. Expectations are low, and you've got plenty of company. Whites who manage not to succeed must feel pretty lonely, by comparison.

    Another contributing factor must be the increase in divorce rates, and the rising number of people who reach middle age having never married at all. People are increasingly unwilling to remained hitched to a spouse who has fallen on hard times. Those who reach middle age unmarried must look around and find themselves at something of a dead end. Same goes with those who reach middle age and find themselves professionally unfulfilled.

    And finally, the people at or near the bottom are those who benefit most from a "system" - a set of rules to follow that lead to greatest happiness. For the last 40-50 that system has been mocked, undermined, and destroyed. it is gone. There are no rules to follow to attain happiness. You find it on your own, or you don't.

    For the last 40-50 that system has been mocked, undermined, and destroyed.

    Truth. The modern world is ugly and strange. “Grit your teeth through the chemo, sir. Don’t you want to see your son complete his sex-change therapy?”

    • Replies: @random observer
    Bravo. All of our modern world distilled into one sentence, or near enough.
  48. @SFG
    They sort of allude to it in the article, but it seems to be most concentrated at the bottom of the social ladder.

    Probably poor whites feel deserted by everyone. And, you know...they are.

    Probably poor whites feel deserted by everyone. And, you know…they are.

    By their wives – if they have them.

    By their politicians.

    By their employers.

    By the culture.

    Yep.

  49. The basic claim is that the higher death rate among middle-age whites rate demonstrates that whites are now the real oppressed group. What this ignores is that whites have always had a higher suicide rate than negroes and various minorities. (http://students.com.miami.edu/netreporting/?page_id=1285)

    It isn’t as though only whites have of late suffered hard times. Isn’t the most plausible initial hypothesis that whites are more prone to react to stress suicidally because of their genes?

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    "Isn’t the most plausible initial hypothesis that whites are more prone to react to stress suicidally because of their genes?"

    Why should that be a plausible explanation? Genes are a verboten explanation when disparity favors whites? Why should they be allowed as an excuse when the disparity favors blacks?
    , @Bill
    "The basic claim is that the higher death rate among middle-age whites rate demonstrates that whites are now the real oppressed group. "

    No, that's not the claim. Try again.
    , @IBC

    Isn’t the most plausible initial hypothesis that whites are more prone to react to stress suicidally because of their genes?
     
    According to Hugh Thomas' book on the transatlantic slave trade, certain African ethnic groups had a reputation for committing suicide in captivity. When they could identify them, slavers avoided buying people from these groups because they were more likely to lose money on them. It'd be difficult to prove, but it seems pretty likely that this would have selected for people with naturally sunnier and more resilient personalities, and that their descendants would also be less likely to take their own lives when things got bad.
  50. When John Geer, a white man, in Virginia was shot by two police officers (I believe the shooting officer was Hispanic and his partner was black), there was pretty much silence and stonewalling. It dragged on for many months and the police department and the prosecutor involved had to be compelled turn over the evidence/records.

    Geer actually was unarmed and had his hands up.

    The inversion of reality in the media and the “public imagination” as such is just incredible.

    No “all lives matter,” no “hands up, don’t shoot” demonstration. Nothing except for a few people (including Geer’s family) that doggedly sought justice.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/fairfax-pays-295-million-to-settle-suit-in-john-geer-police-killing/2015/04/21/5fe3d818-e834-11e4-9767-6276fc9b0ada_story.html

    • Replies: @snorlax

    Torres and Officer David Neil reported that when they approached Geer and Harrington outside their home, Geer, a kitchen remodeling contractor, turned and walked inside. He then showed the officers a holstered handgun and, according to Torres and Neil, said: “I have a gun. I will use it if I need to because you guys have guns.” Geer then placed the gun inside the door and out of the officers’ sight.
     
    Yeah, as with all police shooting "controversies" I've read about recently, my sympathy for this asswipe is about zero. (Sounds like suicide by cop, actually).

    Here's the relationship the lady who got the $3mil taxpayer payout had with the "victim:"


    The case began on the morning of Aug. 29, 2013, when Harrington informed Geer that she had signed a lease on an apartment and was moving out, a breakup she said they had been discussing for months. Geer began tossing Harrington’s belongings on the front yard, and Harrington called police.
     
    , @Truth

    When John Geer, a white man, in Virginia was shot by two police officers (I believe the shooting officer was Hispanic and his partner was black), there was pretty much silence and stonewalling. No “all lives matter,” no “hands up, don’t shoot” demonstration. Nothing except for a few people (including Geer’s family) that doggedly sought justice
     
    .

    Well what do you want the media to make out of boring, internecine clan violence? The assailant was a "White Hispanic."


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/2015/08/19/af9cf434-467b-11e5-8ab4-c73967a143d3_story.html
  51. Is it really that white people can’t take adversity anymore – though I do like the commenters who are using the opportunity to give the NYT heat for constantly bashing white people – or is the rise in deaths due to Big Pharma and modern medicine? The article says this is a uniquely white American problem, and Americans (white Americans, especially) take more prescription meds than any other country on the planet. Why are white 45-54 year olds such substance abusers these days unless they’ve been trained to take a pill/chemical for the least bit of discomfort, whether real or imagined?

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    Why are white 45-54 year olds such substance abusers these days unless they’ve been trained to take a pill/chemical for the least bit of discomfort, whether real or imagined?
     
    It would be interesting to know how many whites are taking SSRIs compared to non-whites. That on its own might be enough to explain the high suicide rate.
  52. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Pathetic. It's ridiculous when people attribute minority dysfunction to societal factors. It's just as sad to read all these comments blaming societal trends for the increase in white mortality.

    Individuals decide their own fate. If you have a crappy job, work hard to get a better one. If you are overweight, get off the couch and run around the block instead of eating more Fritos. And for Christ's sake, if you must indulge in an illegal intoxicant, go find yourself a weed dealer instead of smoking meth and popping OxyContin.

    None of this stuff is easy (except for finding the weed dealer part). But, who said life was easy? The best things in life are those paid for in toil, sweat and diligence.

    Pathetic. It’s ridiculous when people attribute minority dysfunction to societal factors. It’s just as sad to read all these comments blaming societal trends for the increase in white mortality.

    Sure — blame the victims.

  53. @Stephen R. Diamond
    The basic claim is that the higher death rate among middle-age whites rate demonstrates that whites are now the real oppressed group. What this ignores is that whites have always had a higher suicide rate than negroes and various minorities. (http://students.com.miami.edu/netreporting/?page_id=1285)

    It isn't as though only whites have of late suffered hard times. Isn't the most plausible initial hypothesis that whites are more prone to react to stress suicidally because of their genes?

    “Isn’t the most plausible initial hypothesis that whites are more prone to react to stress suicidally because of their genes?”

    Why should that be a plausible explanation? Genes are a verboten explanation when disparity favors whites? Why should they be allowed as an excuse when the disparity favors blacks?

    • Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond
    Because being plausible has nothing to do with whether it's verboten.
  54. @Mr. Blank
    I'm in my 40s, and this fits anecdotally with what I've seen among my (white) peers.

    Meanwhile: While reading this article, I got a text from my dad. He took an early retirement a few years ago (something I cannot look forward to unless I win the lottery) and he was sending me photos from his beach condo, which is bigger than my house.

    "Keep working and paying into Social Security so I can continue to enjoy all this!" he wrote.

    I am not making that up.

    So, you know, there's that angle.

    Meanwhile: While reading this article, I got a text from my dad. He took an early retirement a few years ago (something I cannot look forward to unless I win the lottery) and he was sending me photos from his beach condo, which is bigger than my house.

    So, you know, there’s that angle.

    Yes, and (assuming no bad blood) when he dies, you will inherit it. So, you know, there’s that angle, too.

    • Replies: @leper messiah
    I am right there with you @MrBlank

    Except I am a 50-something Baby Boomer with 80-something in-laws that have collected many multi-tens of thousands of dollars in Social Security benefits more than they ever put in. Especially my mother-in-law, who worked as a secretary maybe one year of her life. They have lived a long, stress-free life enjoying themselves immensely while ignoring their grandkids.

    I am quite certain I will be dead before they will...so...no inheritance for me. What is it that they say? Oh yeah...deal with it. Life ain't fair, dude.

    , @Mr. Blank
    You'd be right ... If my dad weren't already on wife No. 3. Unfortunately, most of his fortune will end up going to a bunch of people who aren't related to me and whose names I can't even keep straight because I never see them.
  55. @Alice in Wanderland


    As an ‘X-er’ who observed X-er behavior, so many guys never grew up.

     

    To be fair, lots of gen X girls never grew up either. Ask me how I know.

    To be fair, lots of gen X girls never grew up either. Ask me how I know.

    But their tattoos are more tasteful.

    • Replies: @flyover hick
    There's no such thing as a "tasteful tattoo" on a woman.
  56. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Pathetic. It's ridiculous when people attribute minority dysfunction to societal factors. It's just as sad to read all these comments blaming societal trends for the increase in white mortality.

    Individuals decide their own fate. If you have a crappy job, work hard to get a better one. If you are overweight, get off the couch and run around the block instead of eating more Fritos. And for Christ's sake, if you must indulge in an illegal intoxicant, go find yourself a weed dealer instead of smoking meth and popping OxyContin.

    None of this stuff is easy (except for finding the weed dealer part). But, who said life was easy? The best things in life are those paid for in toil, sweat and diligence.

    None of this stuff is easy (except for finding the weed dealer part). But, who said life was easy? The best things in life are those paid for in toil, sweat and diligence…

    …and riding NJ Transit.

  57. @Wilkey
    "Isn’t the most plausible initial hypothesis that whites are more prone to react to stress suicidally because of their genes?"

    Why should that be a plausible explanation? Genes are a verboten explanation when disparity favors whites? Why should they be allowed as an excuse when the disparity favors blacks?

    Because being plausible has nothing to do with whether it’s verboten.

  58. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Pathetic. It's ridiculous when people attribute minority dysfunction to societal factors. It's just as sad to read all these comments blaming societal trends for the increase in white mortality.

    Individuals decide their own fate. If you have a crappy job, work hard to get a better one. If you are overweight, get off the couch and run around the block instead of eating more Fritos. And for Christ's sake, if you must indulge in an illegal intoxicant, go find yourself a weed dealer instead of smoking meth and popping OxyContin.

    None of this stuff is easy (except for finding the weed dealer part). But, who said life was easy? The best things in life are those paid for in toil, sweat and diligence.

    Eh, it looks like you’re expecting a “Lake Wobegon” effect here. The reality is that not everyone can be above average.

    Even if the entire population ups their game, some people are going to be left at the bottom.

    America used to have lots and lots of well-paying jobs, so even if you were at the 25th percentile of society, you could still hold down a reasonable middle class existence. That’s no longer true.

    And if your life turns out to much worse than your parents’, and much worse than what you were raised to expect, of course it will raise the chance that you off yourself.

  59. Much of this can be explained by the FDA’s terrible decision back in the 90s to make extremely strong opioid painkillers widely available to patients, under the false theory that opioids aren’t addictive to people who are experiencing real pain.

    Lots of people went to their doctor in real pain, got prescribed a drug that they never should have been given, and they become hooked, and had their lives destroyed.

    But the increase in alcoholism and suicides, well, that’s the collapse of working class white economic condition.

  60. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    As marijuana becomes more accepted and legal, cartels are pushing heroin instead. Let’s say you’re a regular marijuana user. You go to your dealer and find he has no pot for sale. What do you do? You want a drug. You really really want a drug, but don’t know anyone else who sells. So you buy the heroin anyway even though you know all the warnings. Most drugs users, from pot to heroin or whatever, have the same mentality. If they don’t get their drug, they absolutely have got to substitute another.

    I look upon this in a purely Darwinian fashion. People with addictive genes are simply being removed from the white gene pool. This benefits the remaining white society in general. My only regret is that blacks and Mexicans aren’t being culled so quickly as. Heroin use hasn’t really entered these populations to the same extent, but I have no doubt we’ll soon be seeing it hammer these populations hard in the next decade much like crack did the black population back in the 80s. If you thought gang violence was bad in the 80s, just wait until the black and Mexican heroin dealers start fighting over territory in 2016-2026. For all we know, the killing spiral in Baltimore may be a sign that it’s already starting.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "People with addictive genes are simply being removed from the white gene pool."

    Not if they are middle-aged when they die.

    , @bomag
    People with addictive genes are simply being removed from the white gene pool.

    Aside from the reproductive fallacy here, we are losing productive people that could be kept around with a few reasonable social policies.
    , @Daniel Williams

    If they don’t get their drug [marijuana], they absolutely have got to substitute another [heroin].
     
    Dude, are you a narc? This is ludicrous. No one wants to "take a drug" for its own sake; they desire the sensation a specific drug provides. If someone's dealer doesn't have weed, he buys it from another dealer—he doesn't ask the guy for heroin (which the dealer wouldn't have anyway, since he sells pot). If no one has weed, then the people who buy weed just go without.
  61. @Steve Sailer
    My vague impression is that the age of marriage for men is rising in overpopulated countries like Egypt: it's Ben Franklin 101.

    That’s not surprising. In polygamous societies, men start collecting wives when they’re older, because they are better established and they can pay the bride price. It was in that article by Peter Frost.

    The age of the men has no bearing on fertility rates, because the wives are all young when they marry. So, one should look at age of marriage for women to see social change.

    I read somewhere and I’ve never seen it discussed that immigration to the West is also a way to get around certain pesky requirements. In Saudi Arabia, you have to prove to the state that you can support more than one wife before they allow you to marry a second, third, fourth. In Britain, where polygamy is not recognized, there is nothing keeping a sponger from religiously marrying to his heart’s content, regardless of suitability, so long as the families of the girls agree. Thus, immigration might be dysgenic even for the immigrant population when you think about the effects of one bad apple.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    In Britain, where polygamy is not recognized, there is nothing keeping a sponger from religiously marrying to his heart’s content, regardless of suitability, so long as the families of the girls agree
     
    In Minnesota, too. Some older Hmong, like the guy who shot those hunters in Wisconsin. He had a legal wife and a "cultural wife" back in St Paul. But even Minnesota's guilt-ridden benefit system doesn't come close to the UK's largesse, and Hmong hmen may be priced out of the polygyny game in time.

    But younger Hmong are assimilating in some ways. One young woman wrote a column about when her teenage brother came to her, with a guilty voice, and said, "I think I may be gay."

    She answered, "Are you kidding? I've known you were for years!"
  62. @Popeye Goyle
    The problem with the libertarian-style idea of letting these poor whites pass into oblivion because of their bad choices seems not only cruel but a little muddle-headed. Poor whites are the most openly antagonized group in the modern paradigm; the fact that as a group they are failing unto death is not an instance of meritocracy in action. People who can observe the failure of low class whites without any sense of horror are probably following their libertarian principles to the point of absurdity. (Libertarians, why weren't low class whites failing so spectacularly in the 1950s, for example?)
    Noblesse oblige, on the other hand, is a beautiful bit of humanity. Properly, noblesse oblige is not ordered to sustaining the lower classes as parasites forever living off of the higher classes. Rather, I think it is meant to give the low classes the best conditions for whatever limited kind of success they can achieve. Noblesse oblige, the high-minded guidance of the lower classes for the sake of the nation's common good, is the debt that the innately gifted owe to the nation's common blood.

    Noblesse oblige, on the other hand, is a beautiful bit of humanity. Properly, noblesse oblige is not ordered to sustaining the lower classes as parasites forever living off of the higher classes. Rather, I think it is meant to give the low classes the best conditions for whatever limited kind of success they can achieve. Noblesse oblige, the high-minded guidance of the lower classes for the sake of the nation’s common good, is the debt that the innately gifted owe to the nation’s common blood.

    That’s very interesting. I’m going to steal this.

  63. From the POV of the high IQ fetishist brigade in this forum, isn’t this beneficial since this is culling the middling IQ and racially inferior whites, and in the process they are being replaced by higher IQ and racially superior East Asians?

    • Replies: @bomag
    IQ is the single best indicator on a host of issues, but it is not the only thing. The argument is that our adversaries purposely ignore this metric completely, and thus promulgate public policy that would be better otherwise.

    Note also that the issue here is not a genetic culling.
  64. @Romanian
    Remember Dominique Venner?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/far-right-french-historian-78-year-old-dominique-venner-commits-suicide-in-notre-dame-in-protest-8625877.html

    Mr Venner, a prolific author of books and tracts on extreme nationalist themes, has been one of many vociferous critics of the law. Some of his work as a historian has been well-received, incuding a 1981 book on the Red Army which won a prize from the Académie Française. Much of his work has been steeped in the racist ideology of the far-right, apologising for the pro-Hitler regime in Vichy in the Second World war and warning of conspiracies to destroy European civilisation and to swamp the white race.
     
    These are what you call dog whistles, aren't they?

    It's like he had the secret alt-right decoder ring too.

    The following is a quote from Wikipedia on Venner’s suicide:

    On 21 May 2013, about 4 p.m., Venner committed suicide by firearm in the cathedral of Notre Dame de Paris,[18] which led to the evacuation of approximately 1,500 people from the cathedral.[19] He had been an opponent of Muslim immigration to France and Europe, as well as what he believed to be the Americanization of European values and — most recently — the legalization of same-sex marriage in France. Despite the choice of Notre Dame as the place of his suicide, Venner was not known to be religious.[20]

    Only hours earlier, he had left a post on his blog, on the subject of forthcoming protests against the legalization of same-sex marriage.[21] In the post, Venner approves of the demonstrators’ outrage at an “infamous law”, but expresses doubt as to the efficacy of street protests to effect social change. He rebukes the protesters for ignoring the threat of “Afro-Maghreb immigration”, which he predicts will lead to a “total replacement of the population of France, and of Europe.”[22] He warns, “Peaceful street protests will not be enough to prevent it. [...] It will require new, spectacular, and symbolic actions to rouse people from their complacency [...] We enter into a time when words must be backed up by actions.”[22]

    In a letter sent to his colleagues at Radio Courtoisie, he characterizes his suicide as a rebellion “against pervasive individual desires that destroy the anchors of our identity, particularly the family, the intimate base of our multi-millennial society.”[21] He explains his decision to commit suicide inside the cathedral: “I chose a highly symbolic place that I respect and admire.”[23] According to the rector of Notre Dame de Paris, Venner left behind a letter for investigators.[24] It was subsequently reported that Venner was suffering from a serious illness at the time of his suicide.[21]

    Shortly after his death was reported, a number of far-right personalities paid tribute to Venner and commended his public suicide. Marine Le Pen issued a tweet: “All our respect to Dominique Venner, whose final gesture, eminently political, was to try to awaken the people of France.”[25] Bruno Gollnisch described him as an “extremely brilliant intellectual” whose death was “a protest against the decadence of our society.”[25]

    • Replies: @Romanian
    I've read it, since I only heard about him after he died. But what is your point in quoting it? Yup, he was one of ours, mostly. And the shock value of his death didn't last for long. If he were a Tibetan Monk setting fire to himself, the West might have paid more attention.
  65. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Pathetic. It's ridiculous when people attribute minority dysfunction to societal factors. It's just as sad to read all these comments blaming societal trends for the increase in white mortality.

    Individuals decide their own fate. If you have a crappy job, work hard to get a better one. If you are overweight, get off the couch and run around the block instead of eating more Fritos. And for Christ's sake, if you must indulge in an illegal intoxicant, go find yourself a weed dealer instead of smoking meth and popping OxyContin.

    None of this stuff is easy (except for finding the weed dealer part). But, who said life was easy? The best things in life are those paid for in toil, sweat and diligence.

    Libertarians are a treat.

  66. @Anon
    As marijuana becomes more accepted and legal, cartels are pushing heroin instead. Let's say you're a regular marijuana user. You go to your dealer and find he has no pot for sale. What do you do? You want a drug. You really really want a drug, but don't know anyone else who sells. So you buy the heroin anyway even though you know all the warnings. Most drugs users, from pot to heroin or whatever, have the same mentality. If they don't get their drug, they absolutely have got to substitute another.

    I look upon this in a purely Darwinian fashion. People with addictive genes are simply being removed from the white gene pool. This benefits the remaining white society in general. My only regret is that blacks and Mexicans aren't being culled so quickly as. Heroin use hasn't really entered these populations to the same extent, but I have no doubt we'll soon be seeing it hammer these populations hard in the next decade much like crack did the black population back in the 80s. If you thought gang violence was bad in the 80s, just wait until the black and Mexican heroin dealers start fighting over territory in 2016-2026. For all we know, the killing spiral in Baltimore may be a sign that it's already starting.

    “People with addictive genes are simply being removed from the white gene pool.”

    Not if they are middle-aged when they die.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    My wife and I have been attending group therapy sessions at the rehab facility where our daughter is currently placed. There are about two dozen residents there. Most of them have children, often several children. Several of them have mentioned having parents who were themselves drug addicts.

    So no, the addictive gene is not being removed from the gene pool.
  67. @Sean R
    I think this is an artifact of the demographic changing (for people 45-54) that didn't go to college. In 1999, this included people born in 1945. In 2013, it included people born in 1968.

    People that go to college tend to be smarter. Smarter people have lower death rates. We're probably seeing a change because more people are going to college. Those that don't go to college aren't as smart, and the death rate goes up.

    In 1967 (1945+22), it wasn't that big a deal to not have a college degree. In 1990 (1968+22) it was.

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/old-and-wise/

    So why do Hispanics have lower death rates? I think it’s because their prospects are improving, not degrading.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Could be.

    It's hard to be sure, but it seems like the kind of topic more scientific attention should be paid to.

    , @Sean R
    Agree
    , @Ron Unz

    So why do Hispanics have lower death rates? I think it’s because their prospects are improving, not degrading.
     
    It's really, really odd. On all sorts of metrics of mortality and morbidity, Hispanics always do much better than whites, just like Asians do. Given that so many people on these comment-threads are ardent HBD/racialists, it's a true mystery: what is the mysterious connection between someone named "Jose Fernandez" and someone named "Bing Lee"?

    All kidding aside, there's obviously a strong genetic factor, but I also agree that the socio-economic issue you raise is crucial as well, especially with regard to morale.

    Hispanics from an immigrant background are obviously doing much, much better than their parents did, and they also feel there's a reasonably good chance that their children will continue the pattern. Meanwhile, most average whites are doing no better and often much worse than their parents did, which is almost totally unprecedented in American history.

    I remember some time back reading a book by Pat Moynihan in which he noted that ordinary Americans were enduring the longest stretch of income stagnation since the Europeans settled the continent. He was talking about twenty years and the book was published over twenty years ago, so we're now moving towards a half-century of economic stagnation for the average worker. Isn't that what people called the Brezhnev Era, and why the USSR finally collapsed?...
    , @Socially Extinct
    Hispanics' prospects improving? Really? Since when? Who are these Hispanics everyone talks about, anyways?

    When Hispanic lifestyles are overlaid against SWPL/EAsian-dom, there is no contest. Hispanics scrape the bottom, consistently above the roof of the Blacks. Hispanics have "nothing to live for (in Western parlance)," they perform consistently bad academically and economically. No one wants to live near them, Donald Trump is trying to cast them to the other side of the moat...uh, our prospects are improving? Perhaps I should clarify your definition of "improvement" instead.

    Nope, Hispanics simply revel and thrive in the tedium of poverty and asceticism.

    This graph from the BBC says it all.

    http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/5FB2/production/_86489442_mortalitytwoweb.jpg

    A lot of people here are owing this amorphous Black/Hispanic "paradox" to all sorts of nonsense. Hispanic mortality rates are consistently lower than average, a phenomenon which is puzzling given their high rates of poverty and lack of education. In raw numbers, Hispanics have one of the lowest mortality rates. Blacks are still the highest...the press, and you people, are harvesting a statistical drop as a parallel deviation explained away by EBT and WIC.

    Hispanics have always exerted better lifestyle choices than their White and Black American hedonistic cohorts. Hispanics (despite media and pop culture portrayals) are not smokers, heavy drinkers or sexaholics. Sorry to disappoint.
  68. @Twinkie
    When John Geer, a white man, in Virginia was shot by two police officers (I believe the shooting officer was Hispanic and his partner was black), there was pretty much silence and stonewalling. It dragged on for many months and the police department and the prosecutor involved had to be compelled turn over the evidence/records.

    Geer actually was unarmed and had his hands up.

    The inversion of reality in the media and the "public imagination" as such is just incredible.

    No "all lives matter," no "hands up, don't shoot" demonstration. Nothing except for a few people (including Geer's family) that doggedly sought justice.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/fairfax-pays-295-million-to-settle-suit-in-john-geer-police-killing/2015/04/21/5fe3d818-e834-11e4-9767-6276fc9b0ada_story.html

    Torres and Officer David Neil reported that when they approached Geer and Harrington outside their home, Geer, a kitchen remodeling contractor, turned and walked inside. He then showed the officers a holstered handgun and, according to Torres and Neil, said: “I have a gun. I will use it if I need to because you guys have guns.” Geer then placed the gun inside the door and out of the officers’ sight.

    Yeah, as with all police shooting “controversies” I’ve read about recently, my sympathy for this asswipe is about zero. (Sounds like suicide by cop, actually).

    Here’s the relationship the lady who got the $3mil taxpayer payout had with the “victim:”

    The case began on the morning of Aug. 29, 2013, when Harrington informed Geer that she had signed a lease on an apartment and was moving out, a breakup she said they had been discussing for months. Geer began tossing Harrington’s belongings on the front yard, and Harrington called police.

  69. @Robert Hume
    So why do Hispanics have lower death rates? I think it's because their prospects are improving, not degrading.

    Could be.

    It’s hard to be sure, but it seems like the kind of topic more scientific attention should be paid to.

    • Replies: @epochehusserl
    Individuals dont decide their own fate anymore. If you are an organization that does anything that the civil rights leaders dont like they sue you into oblivion. Do you think that agitation by people such as Jesse Jackson and Gloria Allred has no affect on people's well being? I am starting a software company called The Historical Grievance Software Group. We agree to hire and promote people in accordance with the currently accepted interpretations of irreconcilable historical grievances and opposed to the former grievances. If you dont like our hiring and promotion policy we could fight it all the way to the Supreme Court and have a historical march concerning all of these things or burn down the cities. The people documenting all of this will (not) be using IQ at all.
    , @Robert Hume
    I also have another hypothesis. I read somewhere that female Hispanics don't drink much alcohol. If so, their children may have suffered less from fetal alcohol syndrome in the years before it was recognized to be a problem. Generation X was born just before this recognition. This can also help explain why all generations of Hispanics have lower death rates than whites. And also, as a side light, may throw some light on the relative importance of public health as compared to Health Insurance.
  70. @Tiny Duck
    So, losers off themselves when they inevitably fail?

    If you are a white male and are not married with children with a good career by the time you are 30 you are pretty much a piece of crap and a waste of space.

    Its the brutal truth

    Good riddance to bad rubbish.

    I will say this: the millennials are a lot more responsible than men used to be so I see this trend reversing.

    If you are a white male and are not married with children with a good career by the time you are 30 you are pretty much a piece of crap and a waste of space.

    Apparently White males have a singular duty to be in harness pulling society forward.

    If my experience is any guide, there is no duty on Black and Hispanic men to be productive; if anything they are applauded for being major drains on society via incarceration; medical costs; crime; welfare; etc. When looking for waste and crap, we all know where to start.

  71. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Pathetic. It's ridiculous when people attribute minority dysfunction to societal factors. It's just as sad to read all these comments blaming societal trends for the increase in white mortality.

    Individuals decide their own fate. If you have a crappy job, work hard to get a better one. If you are overweight, get off the couch and run around the block instead of eating more Fritos. And for Christ's sake, if you must indulge in an illegal intoxicant, go find yourself a weed dealer instead of smoking meth and popping OxyContin.

    None of this stuff is easy (except for finding the weed dealer part). But, who said life was easy? The best things in life are those paid for in toil, sweat and diligence.

    It’s ridiculous when people attribute minority dysfunction to societal factors. It’s just as sad to read all these comments blaming societal trends for the increase in white mortality.

    You are misstating things. It is BOTH nature and nurture, not just one or the other.

    Those of European ancestry are genetically disposed to be empathetic towards a larger community, and have a high level of conscientiousness; things that leave them more prone to suicide and desultory living in the presence of the current propaganda campaign.

  72. @Robert Hume
    So why do Hispanics have lower death rates? I think it's because their prospects are improving, not degrading.

    Agree

  73. @Popeye Goyle
    The problem with the libertarian-style idea of letting these poor whites pass into oblivion because of their bad choices seems not only cruel but a little muddle-headed. Poor whites are the most openly antagonized group in the modern paradigm; the fact that as a group they are failing unto death is not an instance of meritocracy in action. People who can observe the failure of low class whites without any sense of horror are probably following their libertarian principles to the point of absurdity. (Libertarians, why weren't low class whites failing so spectacularly in the 1950s, for example?)
    Noblesse oblige, on the other hand, is a beautiful bit of humanity. Properly, noblesse oblige is not ordered to sustaining the lower classes as parasites forever living off of the higher classes. Rather, I think it is meant to give the low classes the best conditions for whatever limited kind of success they can achieve. Noblesse oblige, the high-minded guidance of the lower classes for the sake of the nation's common good, is the debt that the innately gifted owe to the nation's common blood.

    The problem with the libertarian-style idea of letting these poor whites pass into oblivion because of their bad choices seems not only cruel but a little muddle-headed.

    Indeed. Libertarians preach the gospel of economic meritocracy with the message that everyone will unleash their inner Henry Ford and become rich. They leave out the real possibility that many will “fail unto death”.

    • Replies: @unpc downunder
    Libertarians also encourage many whites into borrowing lots of money from financiers, since they don't believe in regulating the financial sector.

    Being more heavily in debt is the big difference between life 50 years ago and now, and if falls more heavily on Whites since NAMs and are less enterprising and Asians and Jews are more ethnocentric and borrow money from relatives.

    Hence rising farm suicides, business suicides and student loan suicides:

    http://modernfarmer.com/2013/12/farmer-suicide/

    http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2003/10/the_economics_of_suicide.html

    http://www.mintpressnews.com/student-loan-debt-spurring-record-number-of-suicides/32086/

  74. “Most of this group, which includes me, was born just at the time when the foreign-born population hit a 100+ year low. They arrived in a stable, prosperous, very white civiliation only to see it start evaporating away without end.”

    This “white civilization” one refers to observably exists today and is not remotely close to “evaporating”.

    “But I reckon it will get worse with the Millennials who are the dumbest and moronic generation ever.”

    Older generations tend to feel the young generation is “dumb and moronic”, but that characterization is not necessarily accurate.

    “He took an early retirement a few years ago (something I cannot look forward to unless I win the lottery) and he was sending me photos from his beach condo, which is bigger than my house.”

    You should be happy for your pops rather than jealous. Perhaps you can move in with him.

    “The US is turning into crap for the average white person.”

    Me, average white male person, along with dozens of people I know, don’t feel that way. Life is pretty good. Perhaps you need to make changes in your life.

    “If my experience is any guide, there is no duty on Black and Hispanic men to be productive.”

    IF being the operative word.

    • Replies: @anonymous

    “The US is turning into crap for the average white person.”

    Me, average white male person, along with dozens of people I know, don’t feel that way. Life is pretty good. Perhaps you need to make changes in your life.
     
    Dear Ann Landers-Corvinus:

    Thank you for your unsolicited advice. However, I was not seeking any so none was needed. Advice from a blockhead is usually worthless anyway. I am doing well but merely expressing concern for others, obviously not something you can identify with.
    Sincerely,
    anonymous
    , @dfordoom

    Older generations tend to feel the young generation is “dumb and moronic”, but that characterization is not necessarily accurate.
     
    It's also not necessarily inaccurate.

    Sometimes things really are getting worse. I imagine there were quite a few people in the Roman Empire towards the end who thought that things were going fine because they personally were doing OK.
  75. @Anon
    As marijuana becomes more accepted and legal, cartels are pushing heroin instead. Let's say you're a regular marijuana user. You go to your dealer and find he has no pot for sale. What do you do? You want a drug. You really really want a drug, but don't know anyone else who sells. So you buy the heroin anyway even though you know all the warnings. Most drugs users, from pot to heroin or whatever, have the same mentality. If they don't get their drug, they absolutely have got to substitute another.

    I look upon this in a purely Darwinian fashion. People with addictive genes are simply being removed from the white gene pool. This benefits the remaining white society in general. My only regret is that blacks and Mexicans aren't being culled so quickly as. Heroin use hasn't really entered these populations to the same extent, but I have no doubt we'll soon be seeing it hammer these populations hard in the next decade much like crack did the black population back in the 80s. If you thought gang violence was bad in the 80s, just wait until the black and Mexican heroin dealers start fighting over territory in 2016-2026. For all we know, the killing spiral in Baltimore may be a sign that it's already starting.

    People with addictive genes are simply being removed from the white gene pool.

    Aside from the reproductive fallacy here, we are losing productive people that could be kept around with a few reasonable social policies.

  76. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @dcite
    White females from lower socio-economic backgrounds began a sharp increase in mortality a few years ago, exceeding that of non-whites of comparable age, 30-50s. In my experience, I've seen a increase of breast and lung cancers in women under 65. Lower-SES white females are the demographic most likely to smoke. Most men quit. I don't know how it's affecting overall statistics but no fewer than twelve personally known white females (low SES) have died in their 40s-50s in the last 12 years years. I suspect it's a general trend

    I don’t know how it’s affecting overall statistics but no fewer than twelve personally known white females (low SES) have died in their 40s-50s in the last 12 years years.

    I’ve seen more drinking amongst white females over my lifetime. Even higher-income women. It’s not unusual for them to down a bottle of chardonnay with dinner. Every day. That has to take a toll on your physical and psychological health. Beverage alcohol is a Group 1 carcinogen.

  77. @rvg
    From the POV of the high IQ fetishist brigade in this forum, isn't this beneficial since this is culling the middling IQ and racially inferior whites, and in the process they are being replaced by higher IQ and racially superior East Asians?

    IQ is the single best indicator on a host of issues, but it is not the only thing. The argument is that our adversaries purposely ignore this metric completely, and thus promulgate public policy that would be better otherwise.

    Note also that the issue here is not a genetic culling.

  78. @Steve Sailer
    Could be.

    It's hard to be sure, but it seems like the kind of topic more scientific attention should be paid to.

    Individuals dont decide their own fate anymore. If you are an organization that does anything that the civil rights leaders dont like they sue you into oblivion. Do you think that agitation by people such as Jesse Jackson and Gloria Allred has no affect on people’s well being? I am starting a software company called The Historical Grievance Software Group. We agree to hire and promote people in accordance with the currently accepted interpretations of irreconcilable historical grievances and opposed to the former grievances. If you dont like our hiring and promotion policy we could fight it all the way to the Supreme Court and have a historical march concerning all of these things or burn down the cities. The people documenting all of this will (not) be using IQ at all.

  79. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Pathetic. It's ridiculous when people attribute minority dysfunction to societal factors. It's just as sad to read all these comments blaming societal trends for the increase in white mortality.

    Individuals decide their own fate. If you have a crappy job, work hard to get a better one. If you are overweight, get off the couch and run around the block instead of eating more Fritos. And for Christ's sake, if you must indulge in an illegal intoxicant, go find yourself a weed dealer instead of smoking meth and popping OxyContin.

    None of this stuff is easy (except for finding the weed dealer part). But, who said life was easy? The best things in life are those paid for in toil, sweat and diligence.

    if you have a crappy job, work hard to get a better one.

    oh, NOW you tell me… why didn’t anyone tell me?

  80. @Ron Unz
    Isn't this something along the lines of what happened in Russia before Putin? I think Anatoly Karlin had a detailed post a while back indicating that Russia's demographic problems have largely subsided in the Putin Era, one of the many reasons he has a 90% approval rating and our own elites are sometimes struggling to break 20%.

    I've been saying for years we should send a delegation of American Notables to Moscow to offer Putin the American Throne. Betcha he'd solve our domestic problems double-quick since he's had lots of experience handling parasitic Oligarch-types...

    Ron–off-topic–a tip of the hat to you on your “Unz Review”. I’m a new reader. I’ve done some very small-time local politicking, so I know how difficult it can be to get a robust, well-rounded opinion into public consciousness. “UR” is doing a good job with ideas.

  81. @bomag
    I'd like to see a breakout by suicide and "afflictions".

    I see both increasing in my cohort:

    ) Modern food and drugs taste too good.

    ) The conscientious are given more to worry about (#blacklivesmatter! Do something about it! Now!) with more oversight (#GoPro) and fewer support groups (#mock traditional religion).

    I’ve never seen data published on what the suicide rate is for Asian males in the US. I can’t imagine anything being more suicide-inducing than being told by society that you are sexually worthless.

  82. @Beach

    Meanwhile: While reading this article, I got a text from my dad. He took an early retirement a few years ago (something I cannot look forward to unless I win the lottery) and he was sending me photos from his beach condo, which is bigger than my house.
     
    ...

    So, you know, there’s that angle.
     
    Yes, and (assuming no bad blood) when he dies, you will inherit it. So, you know, there's that angle, too.

    I am right there with you @MrBlank

    Except I am a 50-something Baby Boomer with 80-something in-laws that have collected many multi-tens of thousands of dollars in Social Security benefits more than they ever put in. Especially my mother-in-law, who worked as a secretary maybe one year of her life. They have lived a long, stress-free life enjoying themselves immensely while ignoring their grandkids.

    I am quite certain I will be dead before they will…so…no inheritance for me. What is it that they say? Oh yeah…deal with it. Life ain’t fair, dude.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    I am a 50-something Baby Boomer with 80-something in-laws that have collected many multi-tens of thousands of dollars in Social Security benefits more than they ever put in. Especially my mother-in-law, who worked as a secretary maybe one year of her life.
     
    It's amazing to me how few Americans understand the Social Security system. One of the greatest benefits from SS is the "spousal benefit." A stay-at-home mom can earn 50% of her husband's SS benefit because in the 1930s they recognized "housework" as a valuable contribution to society. Americans in that era got tired of seeing little old ladies living out their final years in poverty as widows. Many of today's "working moms" will not earn a significantly larger SS benefit than they would have received as a spousal benefit, yet they pay all these payroll taxes, income taxes, commuting expenses, day care, fast food, industrial-processed groceries and have too many meals from a red-and-white-striped bucket. No wonder they are drinking themselves to death. That second paycheck isn't free, in fact, for most families the second income is probably negative over the lifetime of the couple.
  83. @Steve Sailer
    Could be.

    It's hard to be sure, but it seems like the kind of topic more scientific attention should be paid to.

    I also have another hypothesis. I read somewhere that female Hispanics don’t drink much alcohol. If so, their children may have suffered less from fetal alcohol syndrome in the years before it was recognized to be a problem. Generation X was born just before this recognition. This can also help explain why all generations of Hispanics have lower death rates than whites. And also, as a side light, may throw some light on the relative importance of public health as compared to Health Insurance.

  84. Believe me, I know how they feel, those sick, pissed-off, disappointed, invisible, exploited, forgotten white Americans..

    …as my health insurance deductible skyrockets to pay for black and brown parasites, just when I enter the age when I will need it most.

    We don’t matter anymore.

    This is why I am just maintaining the best life I can for my wife and myself until we die.

    This is why I am glad we had no children, who would only suffer further degradation in a declining world.

    To those unlucky people who will live in the future: Enjoy your dirty brown planet. I am glad I won’t be here with you.

    Anyone who thinks this comment is extreme doesn’t have the frontal lobes to see what’s coming, or the good taste to see what has already disappeared.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Anyone who thinks this comment is extreme doesn’t have the frontal lobes to see what’s coming, or the good taste to see what has already disappeared.
     
    It's not extreme, but it is decadent. You only have to go back a few generations for a situation in which many whites were living in extreme poverty and discomfort by today's standards. To give up and despair simply because the unparalleled prosperity and comfort of the postwar period will not immediately continue and get better and better is a very decadent attitude. If people gave up every time there was a setback, we'd get nowhere.
  85. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @leper messiah
    I am right there with you @MrBlank

    Except I am a 50-something Baby Boomer with 80-something in-laws that have collected many multi-tens of thousands of dollars in Social Security benefits more than they ever put in. Especially my mother-in-law, who worked as a secretary maybe one year of her life. They have lived a long, stress-free life enjoying themselves immensely while ignoring their grandkids.

    I am quite certain I will be dead before they will...so...no inheritance for me. What is it that they say? Oh yeah...deal with it. Life ain't fair, dude.

    I am a 50-something Baby Boomer with 80-something in-laws that have collected many multi-tens of thousands of dollars in Social Security benefits more than they ever put in. Especially my mother-in-law, who worked as a secretary maybe one year of her life.

    It’s amazing to me how few Americans understand the Social Security system. One of the greatest benefits from SS is the “spousal benefit.” A stay-at-home mom can earn 50% of her husband’s SS benefit because in the 1930s they recognized “housework” as a valuable contribution to society. Americans in that era got tired of seeing little old ladies living out their final years in poverty as widows. Many of today’s “working moms” will not earn a significantly larger SS benefit than they would have received as a spousal benefit, yet they pay all these payroll taxes, income taxes, commuting expenses, day care, fast food, industrial-processed groceries and have too many meals from a red-and-white-striped bucket. No wonder they are drinking themselves to death. That second paycheck isn’t free, in fact, for most families the second income is probably negative over the lifetime of the couple.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Anonymous

    It’s amazing to me how few Americans understand the Social Security system.
     
    One American who understands it is Barack Obama.

    Another American who understands is Larry Kotlikoff.

    I also want to explain why the budget deal may produce a major increase in divorce rates over the next couple of years and how it lets nasty ex-spouses keep their exes from collecting divorcee spousal benefits for up to four years.
     
    If you and/or your spouse are approaching 62 you better figure out what just happened...

    This is not how you fix Social Security
    , @Reg Cæsar

    It’s amazing to me how few Americans understand the Social Security system
     
    Perhaps because both sides lie? Defenders paint it as a well-run asset-based system, and critics call it a Ponzi scheme, ie, a poorly-run asset-based system. But the Supreme Court spilled the beans in 1962: it's purely a welfare scheme, like AFDC and unemployment "insurance". The only difference is the point of entry, or means test.

    Howard Ruff put it best: you pay taxes all your working life, then retire and go on welfare.

    Doesn't matter whether you're collecting twice or only half of what you "contributed". Millionaires go on unemployment all the time.
  86. Steve:

    I’m a bit late to this thread but …

    Few if any commenters here or at the NY Times mentioned the negative — and often dramatic — changes that mass immigration has brought to our communities.

    Thirty years ago my suburban town was made up mostly of people like me, young white adults striving to raise a family in a good atmosphere. The schools were great and there was a real sense of community. I felt I belonged; most importantly, I felt like I had “made it.”

    Today, I go to the grocery store or to a restaurant and I’m alone, surrounded by foreigners who look, talk and act completely different from me. There are few young white couples with children; my generation of whites was the last to see this place as “home.”

    We have literally been replaced. And we are supposed to be happy about it, because diversity.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Yeah, and white people are supposed to be happy about their displacement because they are evil.
    , @Anonymous
    People have been demoralized, and demoralization has consequences.
    , @bomag
    We have literally been replaced.

    Or sacrificed by our social gods in service to their perceived notion of the Greater Good.

    The "goodthinkers" amongst us have tried to buy the moral high by sharing the wealth of other communities with the rest of the world. But the evidence is mounting that they have played a fool's game.

    So let us not abandon all hope. Our enemies depend on the care and maintenance of the welfare state; not the best plan. We might have to go out, organize, and build again someday. As the song says, "But maybe someday when they learn, _______nation will return..."
  87. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    I am a 50-something Baby Boomer with 80-something in-laws that have collected many multi-tens of thousands of dollars in Social Security benefits more than they ever put in. Especially my mother-in-law, who worked as a secretary maybe one year of her life.
     
    It's amazing to me how few Americans understand the Social Security system. One of the greatest benefits from SS is the "spousal benefit." A stay-at-home mom can earn 50% of her husband's SS benefit because in the 1930s they recognized "housework" as a valuable contribution to society. Americans in that era got tired of seeing little old ladies living out their final years in poverty as widows. Many of today's "working moms" will not earn a significantly larger SS benefit than they would have received as a spousal benefit, yet they pay all these payroll taxes, income taxes, commuting expenses, day care, fast food, industrial-processed groceries and have too many meals from a red-and-white-striped bucket. No wonder they are drinking themselves to death. That second paycheck isn't free, in fact, for most families the second income is probably negative over the lifetime of the couple.

    It’s amazing to me how few Americans understand the Social Security system.

    One American who understands it is Barack Obama.

    Another American who understands is Larry Kotlikoff.

    I also want to explain why the budget deal may produce a major increase in divorce rates over the next couple of years and how it lets nasty ex-spouses keep their exes from collecting divorcee spousal benefits for up to four years.

    If you and/or your spouse are approaching 62 you better figure out what just happened…

    This is not how you fix Social Security

  88. @poolside
    Steve:

    I'm a bit late to this thread but ...

    Few if any commenters here or at the NY Times mentioned the negative -- and often dramatic -- changes that mass immigration has brought to our communities.

    Thirty years ago my suburban town was made up mostly of people like me, young white adults striving to raise a family in a good atmosphere. The schools were great and there was a real sense of community. I felt I belonged; most importantly, I felt like I had "made it."

    Today, I go to the grocery store or to a restaurant and I'm alone, surrounded by foreigners who look, talk and act completely different from me. There are few young white couples with children; my generation of whites was the last to see this place as "home."

    We have literally been replaced. And we are supposed to be happy about it, because diversity.

    Yeah, and white people are supposed to be happy about their displacement because they are evil.

  89. On a related subject, Quentin Tarantino is firmly on the side of barbarism in society’s civilization vs. barbarism wave, by directing the upcoming anti-law enforcement film “The Hateful Eight”. The National Association of Police Organizations Police, an organization that represents more than 1,000 police units and at least 241,000 law enforcement officers has asked its members to boycott the film as a result of his “anti-police rhetoric,” at a rally in New York on Oct. 24. In addition, they have also asked supporters to refuse to provide security or technical advice for his future projects.

    Well do #PoliceLivesDoMatter or #PoliceLivesDon’tMatter, Quentin?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/02/business/media/officers-boycott-of-tarantino-films-grows.html

  90. @Anon
    Decadence kills.

    X-ers are X-iting.

    Part of the reason is they never grew up.

    As an 'X-er' who observed X-er behavior, so many guys never grew up.

    One guy was only into chasing after rock concerts. Another was just into chasing girls with no long term consequence. Another is just a video game nut. Another is just a computer dweeb. No thought of marriage, family, and etc.

    Not that the women are any better among X-ers. Most never grow beyond the emotional age of 15. They are stuck in teen mentality forever and think they'll be young forever.

    Maybe more guys off themselves cuz they are bolder in abuses(with drugs) and in using violence to blow their brains out. But I know there's a lot of female misery as well.

    But I reckon it will get worse with the Millennials who are the dumbest and moronic generation ever.

    the Millennials who are the dumbest and moronic generation ever.

    This comment says nothing about Millennials, but everything about you.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    This comment says nothing about Millennials, but everything about you.
     
    I find this to be true about almost all statements about any so-called "generation".
  91. @SFG
    They sort of allude to it in the article, but it seems to be most concentrated at the bottom of the social ladder.

    Probably poor whites feel deserted by everyone. And, you know...they are.

    …welcome to the club…

  92. @JackOH
    " . . . [D]emoralization of white Americans" is a very apt phrase that links a whole lotta phenomena. When I declined a promotion years ago, a white woman I hardly knew said to me in a sort of knowing, dismissive way: "You have a problem working for a strong black woman." What I had a problem with was having my job skills used by a rage-filled black lesbian to cover for her behavioral defects. (She was technically competent.) The white guy who took the job complained of just that. The organization finally hired a white female supervisor to do actual supervision, while the problematic supervisor remained on supervisor's pay, but went back to hourly work.

    Then there's the black guy earning twice my income who feared my on-the-job aggressiveness and initiative so much he regularly threatened me with dismissal or reprimand, and, very occasionally, played the race card. That he earned twice what I did didn't seem to strike him.

    Did race actually have anything to do with these and other similar incidents? I can't be sure. What I do know from my experience at a mostly black high school is that some blacks are preternaturally frightened of high-competence whites. Fight-or-flight kicks in with them, or acting-out behavior, or something.

    Incidents like the ones above have been very rare in my working life, but they were very real. Both occurred in organizations where I'd first wanted to advance until I recognized I'd never get through the pattern of racial preferences, white ethnic cronyism, and other irregular hiring practices.

    Did race actually have anything to do with these and other similar incidents?

    I have the sneaking suspicion that it did; on your part.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    Your reduction ad racism, a variant of Godwin's Law, is yours alone, Truth, and can't be found in my brief and nuanced anecdotes. Thanks for your input.
  93. @Tiny Duck
    So, losers off themselves when they inevitably fail?

    If you are a white male and are not married with children with a good career by the time you are 30 you are pretty much a piece of crap and a waste of space.

    Its the brutal truth

    Good riddance to bad rubbish.

    I will say this: the millennials are a lot more responsible than men used to be so I see this trend reversing.

    Steve why do you allow shitty trollbait like this through?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    The man named himself (/themselves) after an adult diaper. What would you expect?
  94. @Mr. Blank
    I'm in my 40s, and this fits anecdotally with what I've seen among my (white) peers.

    Meanwhile: While reading this article, I got a text from my dad. He took an early retirement a few years ago (something I cannot look forward to unless I win the lottery) and he was sending me photos from his beach condo, which is bigger than my house.

    "Keep working and paying into Social Security so I can continue to enjoy all this!" he wrote.

    I am not making that up.

    So, you know, there's that angle.

    Meanwhile: While reading this article, I got a text from my dad. He took an early retirement a few years ago (something I cannot look forward to unless I win the lottery) and he was sending me photos from his beach condo, which is bigger than my house.

    “Keep working and paying into Social Security so I can continue to enjoy all this!” he wrote.

    My friend, for a second, let’s just ignore my suspicion that your problems are well beyond the scale of this article, and focus on how your father can afford a beach condo “bigger than your house” on a $1,400 a month social security check…

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams

    ... focus on how your father can afford a beach condo “bigger than your house” on a $1,400 a month social security check…
     
    The beach house is in Freetown, on the shores of beautiful Sierra Leone.
    , @Brutusale
    Social Security is need based now?

    My dad did the same thing: retired at 59 after 30 years as a VP for a small corporation, sold his house near Boston for $250K more than he paid for it, built a 5 bedroom, 2 1/2 bath house in a sleepy Florida Gulf town, and he and my mom spent the next 20 years sitting on their deck watching the shrimp boats go out and come in until his death 2 years ago.

    And he cashed every SS check with a vengeance. Not because he needed it, but because it was his money "the bastards" took from him every 2 weeks.
  95. @Tiny Duck
    So, losers off themselves when they inevitably fail?

    If you are a white male and are not married with children with a good career by the time you are 30 you are pretty much a piece of crap and a waste of space.

    Its the brutal truth

    Good riddance to bad rubbish.

    I will say this: the millennials are a lot more responsible than men used to be so I see this trend reversing.

    If you are a white male and are not married with children with a good career by the time you are 30 you are pretty much a piece of crap and a waste of space.

    LOL, wow, as Rodney Dangerfield used to say; “ay, it’s a rough crowd!”

  96. @SFG
    Excellent point, but think about it: why should a guy in, say, the bottom quarter of the attractiveness distribution (and a quarter of guys are) bother trying to 'man up' and raise a family?

    The only women we can get are porkers. If we marry them, we risk paying alimony for years if things go wrong.

    And remember, someone will always be in the bottom quartile.

    Excellent point, but think about it: why should a guy in, say, the bottom quarter of the attractiveness distribution (and a quarter of guys are) bother trying to ‘man up’ and raise a family?

    Hey, just do what the smarter members of your exact cohort do; go to Manila waving your passport around as a modern-day codpiece.

  97. @Steve Sailer
    Yes, I could imagine that this kind of thing has a depressive effect.

    So a race of people can be demoralized by decades (not even centuries) of all-encompassing negative publicity, to the point where they, collectively start making awful and self-hating decisions?

    Steve, you’re making this up.

    • Replies: @bomag
    Especially if the negative publicity is untrue, and it targets a group that makes the light bulbs and keeps the lights on.

    But Western civ is overrated, I guess. Anyone can do it, apparently, from what we've been told, by those doing the demonizing.
    , @silviosilver
    Well-spotted, Truth. Totally explains the soaring white homicide rate and failing white schools which have made working class white neighborhoods no-go zones from which black families can't flee fast enough.
    , @random observer
    If that were the explanation for white American failings now, it would at least make sense. 40 years of negative publicity, still going on and getting worse by the day for the last 25, producing corresponding pathologies.

    Some populations manage to bear up pretty well under intense 'negative publicity' and then go all to hell when the government, press, media and educational establishment start telling them they are wonderful and can do no wrong and spend 50 years uselessly trying to assist them.

    I'm not sure which explanation speaks the worst about the population concerned, but I can surely tell which one makes more sense.
  98. @Ron Unz
    Isn't this something along the lines of what happened in Russia before Putin? I think Anatoly Karlin had a detailed post a while back indicating that Russia's demographic problems have largely subsided in the Putin Era, one of the many reasons he has a 90% approval rating and our own elites are sometimes struggling to break 20%.

    I've been saying for years we should send a delegation of American Notables to Moscow to offer Putin the American Throne. Betcha he'd solve our domestic problems double-quick since he's had lots of experience handling parasitic Oligarch-types...

    one of the many reasons he has a 90% approval rating and our own elites are sometimes struggling to break 20%.

    Stalin’s approval ratings were pretty high as well, as were Gorbachev’s. Generally from what I remembered they tended to get re-elected pretty easily.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    Dude, what's with the long hiatus and the new posting frenzy?

    Did you just get back on the street?
  99. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Truth

    one of the many reasons he has a 90% approval rating and our own elites are sometimes struggling to break 20%.
     
    Stalin's approval ratings were pretty high as well, as were Gorbachev's. Generally from what I remembered they tended to get re-elected pretty easily.

    Dude, what’s with the long hiatus and the new posting frenzy?

    Did you just get back on the street?

    • Replies: @Truth
    Dude, my bail was pretty high; Dad had to put up his beach condo.
  100. @Truth
    So a race of people can be demoralized by decades (not even centuries) of all-encompassing negative publicity, to the point where they, collectively start making awful and self-hating decisions?

    Steve, you're making this up.

    Especially if the negative publicity is untrue, and it targets a group that makes the light bulbs and keeps the lights on.

    But Western civ is overrated, I guess. Anyone can do it, apparently, from what we’ve been told, by those doing the demonizing.

  101. @Anon
    As marijuana becomes more accepted and legal, cartels are pushing heroin instead. Let's say you're a regular marijuana user. You go to your dealer and find he has no pot for sale. What do you do? You want a drug. You really really want a drug, but don't know anyone else who sells. So you buy the heroin anyway even though you know all the warnings. Most drugs users, from pot to heroin or whatever, have the same mentality. If they don't get their drug, they absolutely have got to substitute another.

    I look upon this in a purely Darwinian fashion. People with addictive genes are simply being removed from the white gene pool. This benefits the remaining white society in general. My only regret is that blacks and Mexicans aren't being culled so quickly as. Heroin use hasn't really entered these populations to the same extent, but I have no doubt we'll soon be seeing it hammer these populations hard in the next decade much like crack did the black population back in the 80s. If you thought gang violence was bad in the 80s, just wait until the black and Mexican heroin dealers start fighting over territory in 2016-2026. For all we know, the killing spiral in Baltimore may be a sign that it's already starting.

    If they don’t get their drug [marijuana], they absolutely have got to substitute another [heroin].

    Dude, are you a narc? This is ludicrous. No one wants to “take a drug” for its own sake; they desire the sensation a specific drug provides. If someone’s dealer doesn’t have weed, he buys it from another dealer—he doesn’t ask the guy for heroin (which the dealer wouldn’t have anyway, since he sells pot). If no one has weed, then the people who buy weed just go without.

    • Replies: @Anon
    "If no one has weed, then the people who buy weed just go without."

    Besides, if weed is getting more legal, it means it is easier to get.
  102. @Truth

    Meanwhile: While reading this article, I got a text from my dad. He took an early retirement a few years ago (something I cannot look forward to unless I win the lottery) and he was sending me photos from his beach condo, which is bigger than my house.

    “Keep working and paying into Social Security so I can continue to enjoy all this!” he wrote.
     
    My friend, for a second, let's just ignore my suspicion that your problems are well beyond the scale of this article, and focus on how your father can afford a beach condo "bigger than your house" on a $1,400 a month social security check...

    … focus on how your father can afford a beach condo “bigger than your house” on a $1,400 a month social security check…

    The beach house is in Freetown, on the shores of beautiful Sierra Leone.

  103. @Twinkie
    When John Geer, a white man, in Virginia was shot by two police officers (I believe the shooting officer was Hispanic and his partner was black), there was pretty much silence and stonewalling. It dragged on for many months and the police department and the prosecutor involved had to be compelled turn over the evidence/records.

    Geer actually was unarmed and had his hands up.

    The inversion of reality in the media and the "public imagination" as such is just incredible.

    No "all lives matter," no "hands up, don't shoot" demonstration. Nothing except for a few people (including Geer's family) that doggedly sought justice.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/fairfax-pays-295-million-to-settle-suit-in-john-geer-police-killing/2015/04/21/5fe3d818-e834-11e4-9767-6276fc9b0ada_story.html

    When John Geer, a white man, in Virginia was shot by two police officers (I believe the shooting officer was Hispanic and his partner was black), there was pretty much silence and stonewalling. No “all lives matter,” no “hands up, don’t shoot” demonstration. Nothing except for a few people (including Geer’s family) that doggedly sought justice

    .

    Well what do you want the media to make out of boring, internecine clan violence? The assailant was a “White Hispanic.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/2015/08/19/af9cf434-467b-11e5-8ab4-c73967a143d3_story.html

  104. Foster Wallace himself was a liberal who lived in a fanatasy world in which rich mich males rule the world and make it a miserable place to live at for nice intellectuals like himself.
    In a classic liberal way he never bothered to even actually think about minorities other than as victims. Minorities don´t matter for authors like him, he can´t understand them.
    While men like him feel like they suffer a lot of despair in the modern world they actually never take the red pill and open their eyes to the really desperate things. They never think about what comes after rich white males, and especially they do not realize that the alternative to mean rich white males is not nice intellectual white males but much meaner non-white males.
    But all of this had nothing to do with his suicide I think, he had severe depression which is a really sad story.

  105. @Romanian
    That's not surprising. In polygamous societies, men start collecting wives when they're older, because they are better established and they can pay the bride price. It was in that article by Peter Frost.

    The age of the men has no bearing on fertility rates, because the wives are all young when they marry. So, one should look at age of marriage for women to see social change.

    I read somewhere and I've never seen it discussed that immigration to the West is also a way to get around certain pesky requirements. In Saudi Arabia, you have to prove to the state that you can support more than one wife before they allow you to marry a second, third, fourth. In Britain, where polygamy is not recognized, there is nothing keeping a sponger from religiously marrying to his heart's content, regardless of suitability, so long as the families of the girls agree. Thus, immigration might be dysgenic even for the immigrant population when you think about the effects of one bad apple.

    In Britain, where polygamy is not recognized, there is nothing keeping a sponger from religiously marrying to his heart’s content, regardless of suitability, so long as the families of the girls agree

    In Minnesota, too. Some older Hmong, like the guy who shot those hunters in Wisconsin. He had a legal wife and a “cultural wife” back in St Paul. But even Minnesota’s guilt-ridden benefit system doesn’t come close to the UK’s largesse, and Hmong hmen may be priced out of the polygyny game in time.

    But younger Hmong are assimilating in some ways. One young woman wrote a column about when her teenage brother came to her, with a guilty voice, and said, “I think I may be gay.”

    She answered, “Are you kidding? I’ve known you were for years!”

  106. @The most deplorable one
    Dude, what's with the long hiatus and the new posting frenzy?

    Did you just get back on the street?

    Dude, my bail was pretty high; Dad had to put up his beach condo.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Dad had to put up his beach condo
     
    .


    How much does a beach condo go for on Lake Lucero?
  107. @Anonymous

    I am a 50-something Baby Boomer with 80-something in-laws that have collected many multi-tens of thousands of dollars in Social Security benefits more than they ever put in. Especially my mother-in-law, who worked as a secretary maybe one year of her life.
     
    It's amazing to me how few Americans understand the Social Security system. One of the greatest benefits from SS is the "spousal benefit." A stay-at-home mom can earn 50% of her husband's SS benefit because in the 1930s they recognized "housework" as a valuable contribution to society. Americans in that era got tired of seeing little old ladies living out their final years in poverty as widows. Many of today's "working moms" will not earn a significantly larger SS benefit than they would have received as a spousal benefit, yet they pay all these payroll taxes, income taxes, commuting expenses, day care, fast food, industrial-processed groceries and have too many meals from a red-and-white-striped bucket. No wonder they are drinking themselves to death. That second paycheck isn't free, in fact, for most families the second income is probably negative over the lifetime of the couple.

    It’s amazing to me how few Americans understand the Social Security system

    Perhaps because both sides lie? Defenders paint it as a well-run asset-based system, and critics call it a Ponzi scheme, ie, a poorly-run asset-based system. But the Supreme Court spilled the beans in 1962: it’s purely a welfare scheme, like AFDC and unemployment “insurance”. The only difference is the point of entry, or means test.

    Howard Ruff put it best: you pay taxes all your working life, then retire and go on welfare.

    Doesn’t matter whether you’re collecting twice or only half of what you “contributed”. Millionaires go on unemployment all the time.

  108. @Truth
    Dude, my bail was pretty high; Dad had to put up his beach condo.

    Dad had to put up his beach condo

    .

    How much does a beach condo go for on Lake Lucero?

  109. @SFG
    Excellent point, but think about it: why should a guy in, say, the bottom quarter of the attractiveness distribution (and a quarter of guys are) bother trying to 'man up' and raise a family?

    The only women we can get are porkers. If we marry them, we risk paying alimony for years if things go wrong.

    And remember, someone will always be in the bottom quartile.

    The only women we can get are porkers. If we marry them, we risk paying alimony for years if things go wrong.

    It’s not that bad, Sport. I just read where it has been scientifically proven that a born loser such as yourself can dramatically raise his prospects in the marriage market…simply by learning to Dougie…

  110. @poolside
    Steve:

    I'm a bit late to this thread but ...

    Few if any commenters here or at the NY Times mentioned the negative -- and often dramatic -- changes that mass immigration has brought to our communities.

    Thirty years ago my suburban town was made up mostly of people like me, young white adults striving to raise a family in a good atmosphere. The schools were great and there was a real sense of community. I felt I belonged; most importantly, I felt like I had "made it."

    Today, I go to the grocery store or to a restaurant and I'm alone, surrounded by foreigners who look, talk and act completely different from me. There are few young white couples with children; my generation of whites was the last to see this place as "home."

    We have literally been replaced. And we are supposed to be happy about it, because diversity.

    People have been demoralized, and demoralization has consequences.

  111. @WhatEvvs
    I'm telling you, the commenters at the NY Times are rising up in protest. When you've lost the NY Times' readership.....

    I’m telling you, the commenters at the NY Times are rising up in protest. When you’ve lost the NY Times’ readership…..

    Maybe, but 95% of them will still be voting for Hillary.

  112. @Beach

    Meanwhile: While reading this article, I got a text from my dad. He took an early retirement a few years ago (something I cannot look forward to unless I win the lottery) and he was sending me photos from his beach condo, which is bigger than my house.
     
    ...

    So, you know, there’s that angle.
     
    Yes, and (assuming no bad blood) when he dies, you will inherit it. So, you know, there's that angle, too.

    You’d be right … If my dad weren’t already on wife No. 3. Unfortunately, most of his fortune will end up going to a bunch of people who aren’t related to me and whose names I can’t even keep straight because I never see them.

    • Replies: @AnAnon
    look on the bright side: he might have a reverse mortgage on the place so that when he kicks the bucket they'll get screwed just as hard.
  113. @AndrewR
    Steve why do you allow shitty trollbait like this through?

    The man named himself (/themselves) after an adult diaper. What would you expect?

  114. @AndrewR

    the Millennials who are the dumbest and moronic generation ever.
     
    This comment says nothing about Millennials, but everything about you.

    This comment says nothing about Millennials, but everything about you.

    I find this to be true about almost all statements about any so-called “generation”.

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    True...

    I mean obviously there are statistically significant differences between generations in all sorts of measures: wealth, income, political beliefs, ethnicity, health measures, etc. But lazy, sweeping insults do no one any good. If one is going to make inflammatory generalizations (i.e. "miwweniaws aw wetawds") one should at least provide data and context.
  115. @Reg Cæsar

    This comment says nothing about Millennials, but everything about you.
     
    I find this to be true about almost all statements about any so-called "generation".

    True…

    I mean obviously there are statistically significant differences between generations in all sorts of measures: wealth, income, political beliefs, ethnicity, health measures, etc. But lazy, sweeping insults do no one any good. If one is going to make inflammatory generalizations (i.e. “miwweniaws aw wetawds”) one should at least provide data and context.

  116. @Tiny Duck
    So, losers off themselves when they inevitably fail?

    If you are a white male and are not married with children with a good career by the time you are 30 you are pretty much a piece of crap and a waste of space.

    Its the brutal truth

    Good riddance to bad rubbish.

    I will say this: the millennials are a lot more responsible than men used to be so I see this trend reversing.

    So, since I’m in my 30s and not married with kids….but I’m not white, does that mean I’m not a loser in your eyes? LOL

  117. My parents were born in 1932 and grew up in the shadow of the depression. Their parents didn’t have decently paid blue collar jobs or trades to get them through it, they scrambled – trying their hand at farming, being a security guard, auto mechanics, anything to put food on the table. The white 45-54 year olds in the study must have had parents and grandparents similar to mine, who experienced major adversity so I can’t believe we’ve become so soft so quickly that this is the root of the problem now. Moreover, the Irish, for example, have been a group that experienced discrimination for decades, at the hand of their fellow whites, so I don’t believe that people have internalized external hatreds and have now given up. Like I said above, I think it’s more due to doctors handing out anti-depressants like candy that make people more prone to offing themselves.

  118. @Daniel Williams

    If they don’t get their drug [marijuana], they absolutely have got to substitute another [heroin].
     
    Dude, are you a narc? This is ludicrous. No one wants to "take a drug" for its own sake; they desire the sensation a specific drug provides. If someone's dealer doesn't have weed, he buys it from another dealer—he doesn't ask the guy for heroin (which the dealer wouldn't have anyway, since he sells pot). If no one has weed, then the people who buy weed just go without.

    “If no one has weed, then the people who buy weed just go without.”

    Besides, if weed is getting more legal, it means it is easier to get.

  119. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Believe me, I know how they feel, those sick, pissed-off, disappointed, invisible, exploited, forgotten white Americans..

    ...as my health insurance deductible skyrockets to pay for black and brown parasites, just when I enter the age when I will need it most.

    We don't matter anymore.

    This is why I am just maintaining the best life I can for my wife and myself until we die.

    This is why I am glad we had no children, who would only suffer further degradation in a declining world.

    To those unlucky people who will live in the future: Enjoy your dirty brown planet. I am glad I won't be here with you.

    Anyone who thinks this comment is extreme doesn't have the frontal lobes to see what's coming, or the good taste to see what has already disappeared.

    Anyone who thinks this comment is extreme doesn’t have the frontal lobes to see what’s coming, or the good taste to see what has already disappeared.

    It’s not extreme, but it is decadent. You only have to go back a few generations for a situation in which many whites were living in extreme poverty and discomfort by today’s standards. To give up and despair simply because the unparalleled prosperity and comfort of the postwar period will not immediately continue and get better and better is a very decadent attitude. If people gave up every time there was a setback, we’d get nowhere.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    You only have to go back a few generations for a situation in which many whites were living in extreme poverty and discomfort by today’s standards.
     
    Yes, I know.

    My own mother grew up dirt poor in a "tin roof shack" next to the railroad tracks in rural Georgia during the Great Depression.

    So am I supposed to just accept the fact that my standard of living has to go back down -- AFTER my own mother climbed out of poverty?

    Sorry, but I can't accept this, especially when the cause is not economics but stupidity. I can't be happy that the world my parents built is being given away.
  120. @Ron Unz
    Isn't this something along the lines of what happened in Russia before Putin? I think Anatoly Karlin had a detailed post a while back indicating that Russia's demographic problems have largely subsided in the Putin Era, one of the many reasons he has a 90% approval rating and our own elites are sometimes struggling to break 20%.

    I've been saying for years we should send a delegation of American Notables to Moscow to offer Putin the American Throne. Betcha he'd solve our domestic problems double-quick since he's had lots of experience handling parasitic Oligarch-types...

    Ron Unz appears to be a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.

  121. @Stephen R. Diamond
    The basic claim is that the higher death rate among middle-age whites rate demonstrates that whites are now the real oppressed group. What this ignores is that whites have always had a higher suicide rate than negroes and various minorities. (http://students.com.miami.edu/netreporting/?page_id=1285)

    It isn't as though only whites have of late suffered hard times. Isn't the most plausible initial hypothesis that whites are more prone to react to stress suicidally because of their genes?

    “The basic claim is that the higher death rate among middle-age whites rate demonstrates that whites are now the real oppressed group. ”

    No, that’s not the claim. Try again.

    • Disagree: Stephen R. Diamond
    • Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond

    No, that’s not the claim. Try again.
     
    If you say white lives don't matter, it means whites are oppressed.

    [But why be defensive about not grasping a comment by being rude. Is admitting not getting something too "demoralizing"?]

  122. @Tiny Duck
    So, losers off themselves when they inevitably fail?

    If you are a white male and are not married with children with a good career by the time you are 30 you are pretty much a piece of crap and a waste of space.

    Its the brutal truth

    Good riddance to bad rubbish.

    I will say this: the millennials are a lot more responsible than men used to be so I see this trend reversing.

    “If you are a white male and are not married with children with a good career by the time you are 30 you are pretty much a piece of crap and a waste of space.”

    Or you are Franz Schubert.

  123. @poolside
    Steve:

    I'm a bit late to this thread but ...

    Few if any commenters here or at the NY Times mentioned the negative -- and often dramatic -- changes that mass immigration has brought to our communities.

    Thirty years ago my suburban town was made up mostly of people like me, young white adults striving to raise a family in a good atmosphere. The schools were great and there was a real sense of community. I felt I belonged; most importantly, I felt like I had "made it."

    Today, I go to the grocery store or to a restaurant and I'm alone, surrounded by foreigners who look, talk and act completely different from me. There are few young white couples with children; my generation of whites was the last to see this place as "home."

    We have literally been replaced. And we are supposed to be happy about it, because diversity.

    We have literally been replaced.

    Or sacrificed by our social gods in service to their perceived notion of the Greater Good.

    The “goodthinkers” amongst us have tried to buy the moral high by sharing the wealth of other communities with the rest of the world. But the evidence is mounting that they have played a fool’s game.

    So let us not abandon all hope. Our enemies depend on the care and maintenance of the welfare state; not the best plan. We might have to go out, organize, and build again someday. As the song says, “But maybe someday when they learn, _______nation will return…”

  124. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "Most of this group, which includes me, was born just at the time when the foreign-born population hit a 100+ year low. They arrived in a stable, prosperous, very white civiliation only to see it start evaporating away without end."

    This "white civilization" one refers to observably exists today and is not remotely close to "evaporating".

    "But I reckon it will get worse with the Millennials who are the dumbest and moronic generation ever."

    Older generations tend to feel the young generation is "dumb and moronic", but that characterization is not necessarily accurate.

    "He took an early retirement a few years ago (something I cannot look forward to unless I win the lottery) and he was sending me photos from his beach condo, which is bigger than my house."

    You should be happy for your pops rather than jealous. Perhaps you can move in with him.

    "The US is turning into crap for the average white person."

    Me, average white male person, along with dozens of people I know, don't feel that way. Life is pretty good. Perhaps you need to make changes in your life.

    "If my experience is any guide, there is no duty on Black and Hispanic men to be productive."

    IF being the operative word.

    “The US is turning into crap for the average white person.”

    Me, average white male person, along with dozens of people I know, don’t feel that way. Life is pretty good. Perhaps you need to make changes in your life.

    Dear Ann Landers-Corvinus:

    Thank you for your unsolicited advice. However, I was not seeking any so none was needed. Advice from a blockhead is usually worthless anyway. I am doing well but merely expressing concern for others, obviously not something you can identify with.
    Sincerely,
    anonymous

  125. @Truth



    Did race actually have anything to do with these and other similar incidents?
     
    I have the sneaking suspicion that it did; on your part.

    Your reduction ad racism, a variant of Godwin’s Law, is yours alone, Truth, and can’t be found in my brief and nuanced anecdotes. Thanks for your input.

  126. @Seneca
    The following is a quote from Wikipedia on Venner's suicide:

    On 21 May 2013, about 4 p.m., Venner committed suicide by firearm in the cathedral of Notre Dame de Paris,[18] which led to the evacuation of approximately 1,500 people from the cathedral.[19] He had been an opponent of Muslim immigration to France and Europe, as well as what he believed to be the Americanization of European values and — most recently — the legalization of same-sex marriage in France. Despite the choice of Notre Dame as the place of his suicide, Venner was not known to be religious.[20]

    Only hours earlier, he had left a post on his blog, on the subject of forthcoming protests against the legalization of same-sex marriage.[21] In the post, Venner approves of the demonstrators' outrage at an "infamous law", but expresses doubt as to the efficacy of street protests to effect social change. He rebukes the protesters for ignoring the threat of "Afro-Maghreb immigration", which he predicts will lead to a "total replacement of the population of France, and of Europe."[22] He warns, "Peaceful street protests will not be enough to prevent it. [...] It will require new, spectacular, and symbolic actions to rouse people from their complacency [...] We enter into a time when words must be backed up by actions."[22]

    In a letter sent to his colleagues at Radio Courtoisie, he characterizes his suicide as a rebellion "against pervasive individual desires that destroy the anchors of our identity, particularly the family, the intimate base of our multi-millennial society."[21] He explains his decision to commit suicide inside the cathedral: "I chose a highly symbolic place that I respect and admire."[23] According to the rector of Notre Dame de Paris, Venner left behind a letter for investigators.[24] It was subsequently reported that Venner was suffering from a serious illness at the time of his suicide.[21]

    Shortly after his death was reported, a number of far-right personalities paid tribute to Venner and commended his public suicide. Marine Le Pen issued a tweet: "All our respect to Dominique Venner, whose final gesture, eminently political, was to try to awaken the people of France."[25] Bruno Gollnisch described him as an "extremely brilliant intellectual" whose death was "a protest against the decadence of our society."[25]

    I’ve read it, since I only heard about him after he died. But what is your point in quoting it? Yup, he was one of ours, mostly. And the shock value of his death didn’t last for long. If he were a Tibetan Monk setting fire to himself, the West might have paid more attention.

  127. I’ve noticed that every generation complains that the previous generation was full of it and that the next generation is hopelessly spoiled and stupid.
    I’ve also noticed people in every city always think their city has the worst drivers.

  128. But what is your point in quoting it?

    I found it useful; even if it was a bit of a stunt, it helps us to map what works; what affects people; how these things are interpreted; and what we can expect in the future.

  129. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:

    Two more links from El Tiempo, from 2012 and 2013. They keep publishing these studies, with zero impact.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/03/health/suicide-rate-rises-sharply-in-us.html?_r=2&

    They break this down according to sex.

    And:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/21/us/life-expectancy-for-less-educated-whites-in-us-is-shrinking.html?pagewanted=1&ref=todayspaper

    Black women w/out a HS diploma now outlive white women w/o a HS diploma.

  130. Because inevitably someone will say liberals aren’t paying attention to this, I give you The American Prospect and Lawyers, Guns, and Money. Note that National Review has paid no attention.

  131. Hey Guys, let’s face it; the world is TOTALLY unfair to white males, Your women have the audacity to increasingly look at someone else, you are demonized at every turn, you’ve gone from owning %99 percent of everything to like %96…duh man is steadily holding you back from what’s rightfully and hereditarily yours.

    But you have to ask yourself two important questions:

    1. Is all this whiny, naval-grazing, self-pitty on a blog my best course of action? I mean, it’s just so…for lack of a better term…so BETA.

    2. How would THE DUKE have dealt with it.?

    Fear not though, The Truthster is always here with your best outcomes in mind.

    Pay close attention below to how A MAN deals with the walls closing in. From 2:30 – 3:02 he personifies what the term “Alpha” is all about.

    (And at 6:05 the man personifies exactly what it doesn’t…)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=187&v=XxWimFepdn4

    • Replies: @random observer
    I looked at the Youtube comments and remained unenlightened on one point- did dude ever offer any explanation for his initial assault on smartphone guy? Or was it just drunk-harass random stranger day for him?

    If it weren't for that all-important initial few seconds and the otherwise irrelevant focus on smartphone guy's alleged queerness, I'd be on dude's side all the way. "He took my picture without my permission so I kicked him in the balls" is a wholly justifiable cause-effect relationship.

    But dude did assault smartphone guy first, or so it would appear. Just another unexplained slice of life.

    I DID like the alpha-beta contrast though. That's about as clear-cut as it gets. Dude's smile and laugh and banter with the offscreen woman was classic. The beta brother sounded like he just got out of a consciousness-raising session from the HR department.

    To avoid being classed as a super beta, would you require that I endorse dude's actions from the start? Because I sadly must confess betatude then. If interviewed on video, I'd probably have said being drunk or wasted in public and drawing attention to yourself is lowbrow. I doubt John Wayne or Gary Cooper would endorse it. Maybe not even John McClane...
  132. @Reg Cæsar

    To be fair, lots of gen X girls never grew up either. Ask me how I know.

     

    But their tattoos are more tasteful.

    There’s no such thing as a “tasteful tattoo” on a woman.

  133. @AnonAnon
    Is it really that white people can't take adversity anymore - though I do like the commenters who are using the opportunity to give the NYT heat for constantly bashing white people - or is the rise in deaths due to Big Pharma and modern medicine? The article says this is a uniquely white American problem, and Americans (white Americans, especially) take more prescription meds than any other country on the planet. Why are white 45-54 year olds such substance abusers these days unless they've been trained to take a pill/chemical for the least bit of discomfort, whether real or imagined?

    Why are white 45-54 year olds such substance abusers these days unless they’ve been trained to take a pill/chemical for the least bit of discomfort, whether real or imagined?

    It would be interesting to know how many whites are taking SSRIs compared to non-whites. That on its own might be enough to explain the high suicide rate.

    • Replies: @IBC
    It also might be relevant to autism --though a conclusive link with SSRI usage during pregnancy has yet to be proven:

    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/09/01/possible-risks-of-s-s-r-i-antidepressants-to-newborns/?_r=0
  134. @Corvinus
    "Most of this group, which includes me, was born just at the time when the foreign-born population hit a 100+ year low. They arrived in a stable, prosperous, very white civiliation only to see it start evaporating away without end."

    This "white civilization" one refers to observably exists today and is not remotely close to "evaporating".

    "But I reckon it will get worse with the Millennials who are the dumbest and moronic generation ever."

    Older generations tend to feel the young generation is "dumb and moronic", but that characterization is not necessarily accurate.

    "He took an early retirement a few years ago (something I cannot look forward to unless I win the lottery) and he was sending me photos from his beach condo, which is bigger than my house."

    You should be happy for your pops rather than jealous. Perhaps you can move in with him.

    "The US is turning into crap for the average white person."

    Me, average white male person, along with dozens of people I know, don't feel that way. Life is pretty good. Perhaps you need to make changes in your life.

    "If my experience is any guide, there is no duty on Black and Hispanic men to be productive."

    IF being the operative word.

    Older generations tend to feel the young generation is “dumb and moronic”, but that characterization is not necessarily accurate.

    It’s also not necessarily inaccurate.

    Sometimes things really are getting worse. I imagine there were quite a few people in the Roman Empire towards the end who thought that things were going fine because they personally were doing OK.

  135. @Robert Hume
    So why do Hispanics have lower death rates? I think it's because their prospects are improving, not degrading.

    So why do Hispanics have lower death rates? I think it’s because their prospects are improving, not degrading.

    It’s really, really odd. On all sorts of metrics of mortality and morbidity, Hispanics always do much better than whites, just like Asians do. Given that so many people on these comment-threads are ardent HBD/racialists, it’s a true mystery: what is the mysterious connection between someone named “Jose Fernandez” and someone named “Bing Lee”?

    All kidding aside, there’s obviously a strong genetic factor, but I also agree that the socio-economic issue you raise is crucial as well, especially with regard to morale.

    Hispanics from an immigrant background are obviously doing much, much better than their parents did, and they also feel there’s a reasonably good chance that their children will continue the pattern. Meanwhile, most average whites are doing no better and often much worse than their parents did, which is almost totally unprecedented in American history.

    I remember some time back reading a book by Pat Moynihan in which he noted that ordinary Americans were enduring the longest stretch of income stagnation since the Europeans settled the continent. He was talking about twenty years and the book was published over twenty years ago, so we’re now moving towards a half-century of economic stagnation for the average worker. Isn’t that what people called the Brezhnev Era, and why the USSR finally collapsed?…

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    what is the mysterious connection between someone named “Jose Fernandez” and someone named “Bing Lee”?
     
    Naively I ask: Aren't Native Americans (and therefore most "Hispanics") descended from the Asians who first got to the Americas?

    Couldn't that be a clue?
    , @Socially Extinct
    Immigrant Hispanics, and the newer generations, generally eschew American hedonist, ghetto culture. Hispanics are parochial and content with living simple lives that do not involve veganism, animal rights or yoga.

    Ultimately, it's a question of genes, something msn and cnn refrain from mentioning in their self-improvement, lifestyle sections about how to lose weight (ironically, as Hispanics get fatter, their mortality remains constant).
  136. @Anonymous

    Anyone who thinks this comment is extreme doesn’t have the frontal lobes to see what’s coming, or the good taste to see what has already disappeared.
     
    It's not extreme, but it is decadent. You only have to go back a few generations for a situation in which many whites were living in extreme poverty and discomfort by today's standards. To give up and despair simply because the unparalleled prosperity and comfort of the postwar period will not immediately continue and get better and better is a very decadent attitude. If people gave up every time there was a setback, we'd get nowhere.

    You only have to go back a few generations for a situation in which many whites were living in extreme poverty and discomfort by today’s standards.

    Yes, I know.

    My own mother grew up dirt poor in a “tin roof shack” next to the railroad tracks in rural Georgia during the Great Depression.

    So am I supposed to just accept the fact that my standard of living has to go back down — AFTER my own mother climbed out of poverty?

    Sorry, but I can’t accept this, especially when the cause is not economics but stupidity. I can’t be happy that the world my parents built is being given away.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  137. @Robert Hume
    So why do Hispanics have lower death rates? I think it's because their prospects are improving, not degrading.

    Hispanics’ prospects improving? Really? Since when? Who are these Hispanics everyone talks about, anyways?

    When Hispanic lifestyles are overlaid against SWPL/EAsian-dom, there is no contest. Hispanics scrape the bottom, consistently above the roof of the Blacks. Hispanics have “nothing to live for (in Western parlance),” they perform consistently bad academically and economically. No one wants to live near them, Donald Trump is trying to cast them to the other side of the moat…uh, our prospects are improving? Perhaps I should clarify your definition of “improvement” instead.

    Nope, Hispanics simply revel and thrive in the tedium of poverty and asceticism.

    This graph from the BBC says it all.

    A lot of people here are owing this amorphous Black/Hispanic “paradox” to all sorts of nonsense. Hispanic mortality rates are consistently lower than average, a phenomenon which is puzzling given their high rates of poverty and lack of education. In raw numbers, Hispanics have one of the lowest mortality rates. Blacks are still the highest…the press, and you people, are harvesting a statistical drop as a parallel deviation explained away by EBT and WIC.

    Hispanics have always exerted better lifestyle choices than their White and Black American hedonistic cohorts. Hispanics (despite media and pop culture portrayals) are not smokers, heavy drinkers or sexaholics. Sorry to disappoint.

  138. @Ron Unz

    So why do Hispanics have lower death rates? I think it’s because their prospects are improving, not degrading.
     
    It's really, really odd. On all sorts of metrics of mortality and morbidity, Hispanics always do much better than whites, just like Asians do. Given that so many people on these comment-threads are ardent HBD/racialists, it's a true mystery: what is the mysterious connection between someone named "Jose Fernandez" and someone named "Bing Lee"?

    All kidding aside, there's obviously a strong genetic factor, but I also agree that the socio-economic issue you raise is crucial as well, especially with regard to morale.

    Hispanics from an immigrant background are obviously doing much, much better than their parents did, and they also feel there's a reasonably good chance that their children will continue the pattern. Meanwhile, most average whites are doing no better and often much worse than their parents did, which is almost totally unprecedented in American history.

    I remember some time back reading a book by Pat Moynihan in which he noted that ordinary Americans were enduring the longest stretch of income stagnation since the Europeans settled the continent. He was talking about twenty years and the book was published over twenty years ago, so we're now moving towards a half-century of economic stagnation for the average worker. Isn't that what people called the Brezhnev Era, and why the USSR finally collapsed?...

    what is the mysterious connection between someone named “Jose Fernandez” and someone named “Bing Lee”?

    Naively I ask: Aren’t Native Americans (and therefore most “Hispanics”) descended from the Asians who first got to the Americas?

    Couldn’t that be a clue?

  139. @Bleuteaux
    Not a surprise to anyone who has spent any amount of time in the Midwest. Endless mergers, acquisitions and bankruptcies have simply emptied out these places of jobs. Desperation reeks everywhere. Truly, the lowest regarded people in society today are whites without a high school education. But if you are a 1/4 black like MHP, you're golden

    Truly, the lowest regarded people in society today are whites without a high school education. But if you are a 1/4 black like MHP, you’re golden

    I think it was in an episode of the PBS sociological documentary, “People Like Us, where a black man who’d grown up poor in the rural South, described how in the local social hierarchy, it had actually been the “white trash” who were at the very bottom, because materially they weren’t any better off than the black folks even though they had the privilege of being white. They had no excuse for being poor or for behaving badly. (I don’t remember exactly what he said). I think this sentiment is actually pretty widespread and is probably especially prevalent among non-white immigrants who have to interact with the white underclass, although I’m sure there are also many who are sympathetic or who don’t even think about the issue.

  140. @Ron Unz

    So why do Hispanics have lower death rates? I think it’s because their prospects are improving, not degrading.
     
    It's really, really odd. On all sorts of metrics of mortality and morbidity, Hispanics always do much better than whites, just like Asians do. Given that so many people on these comment-threads are ardent HBD/racialists, it's a true mystery: what is the mysterious connection between someone named "Jose Fernandez" and someone named "Bing Lee"?

    All kidding aside, there's obviously a strong genetic factor, but I also agree that the socio-economic issue you raise is crucial as well, especially with regard to morale.

    Hispanics from an immigrant background are obviously doing much, much better than their parents did, and they also feel there's a reasonably good chance that their children will continue the pattern. Meanwhile, most average whites are doing no better and often much worse than their parents did, which is almost totally unprecedented in American history.

    I remember some time back reading a book by Pat Moynihan in which he noted that ordinary Americans were enduring the longest stretch of income stagnation since the Europeans settled the continent. He was talking about twenty years and the book was published over twenty years ago, so we're now moving towards a half-century of economic stagnation for the average worker. Isn't that what people called the Brezhnev Era, and why the USSR finally collapsed?...

    Immigrant Hispanics, and the newer generations, generally eschew American hedonist, ghetto culture. Hispanics are parochial and content with living simple lives that do not involve veganism, animal rights or yoga.

    Ultimately, it’s a question of genes, something msn and cnn refrain from mentioning in their self-improvement, lifestyle sections about how to lose weight (ironically, as Hispanics get fatter, their mortality remains constant).

  141. @Stephen R. Diamond
    The basic claim is that the higher death rate among middle-age whites rate demonstrates that whites are now the real oppressed group. What this ignores is that whites have always had a higher suicide rate than negroes and various minorities. (http://students.com.miami.edu/netreporting/?page_id=1285)

    It isn't as though only whites have of late suffered hard times. Isn't the most plausible initial hypothesis that whites are more prone to react to stress suicidally because of their genes?

    Isn’t the most plausible initial hypothesis that whites are more prone to react to stress suicidally because of their genes?

    According to Hugh Thomas’ book on the transatlantic slave trade, certain African ethnic groups had a reputation for committing suicide in captivity. When they could identify them, slavers avoided buying people from these groups because they were more likely to lose money on them. It’d be difficult to prove, but it seems pretty likely that this would have selected for people with naturally sunnier and more resilient personalities, and that their descendants would also be less likely to take their own lives when things got bad.

  142. @bomag
    The problem with the libertarian-style idea of letting these poor whites pass into oblivion because of their bad choices seems not only cruel but a little muddle-headed.

    Indeed. Libertarians preach the gospel of economic meritocracy with the message that everyone will unleash their inner Henry Ford and become rich. They leave out the real possibility that many will "fail unto death".

    Libertarians also encourage many whites into borrowing lots of money from financiers, since they don’t believe in regulating the financial sector.

    Being more heavily in debt is the big difference between life 50 years ago and now, and if falls more heavily on Whites since NAMs and are less enterprising and Asians and Jews are more ethnocentric and borrow money from relatives.

    Hence rising farm suicides, business suicides and student loan suicides:

    http://modernfarmer.com/2013/12/farmer-suicide/

    http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2003/10/the_economics_of_suicide.html

    http://www.mintpressnews.com/student-loan-debt-spurring-record-number-of-suicides/32086/

  143. @dfordoom

    Why are white 45-54 year olds such substance abusers these days unless they’ve been trained to take a pill/chemical for the least bit of discomfort, whether real or imagined?
     
    It would be interesting to know how many whites are taking SSRIs compared to non-whites. That on its own might be enough to explain the high suicide rate.

    It also might be relevant to autism –though a conclusive link with SSRI usage during pregnancy has yet to be proven:

    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/09/01/possible-risks-of-s-s-r-i-antidepressants-to-newborns/?_r=0

  144. “…as my health insurance deductible skyrockets to pay for black and brown parasites, just when I enter the age when I will need it most…”

    Considering more white people are on welfare, they are also leeching as well.

    “To those unlucky people who will live in the future: Enjoy your dirty brown planet. I am glad I won’t be here with you.”

    Is this the reason why white lives don’t matter, because of self-loathing and self-hatred?

    “Anyone who thinks this comment is extreme doesn’t have the frontal lobes to see what’s coming, or the good taste to see what has already disappeared.”

    White people will still be around, they will still be in leadership positions, they still will “create” things. And, regarding this “disappearing” act, well, perhaps you are feeling just like Native Americans felt when the Europeans barged in. That’s life.

    “Today, I go to the grocery store or to a restaurant and I’m alone, surrounded by foreigners who look, talk and act completely different from me. There are few young white couples with children; my generation of whites was the last to see this place as “home.””

    Yet, these “foreigners” work hard, have children, pay taxes, and are probably Americans.

    “We have literally been replaced.”

    White people are still around. No one has “replaced” them.

    Socially Extinct–”Hispanics have “nothing to live for (in Western parlance),” they perform consistently bad academically and economically. No one wants to live near them.”

    Well, there is some merit to what you have to say, except you are being rather simplistic. Their problems are observably no different than any other immigrant group that has come here.

    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2009/12/11/between-two-worlds-how-young-latinos-come-of-age-in-america/

    It will probably take at least another generation’s worth of new facts on the ground to know whether these theories have merit. But it is not too soon to take some snapshots and lay down some markers. This report does so by assembling a wide range of empirical evidence (some generated by our own new survey; some by our analysis of government data) and subjecting it to a series of comparisons: between Latinos and non-Latinos; between young Latinos and older Latinos; between foreign-born Latinos and native-born Latinos; and between first, second, and third and higher generations of Latinos.

    • Replies: @Wyrd
    "Blah-blah-blah, egalitarianism, blah-blah-blah, all races are the same except whites who are uniquely evil, blah-blah-blah, all races except whites should fight for their political unity and power, blah-blah-blah, whites should just bend over and take it because racism, blah-blah-blah..."

    Zzzzzz....
    , @AnAnon
    "they will still be in leadership positions" - The first thing the non-white democrats do when they get the ability to do so is get rid of the white democrats. There is not going to be a future for leftist statuswhores anymore than the rest of us. Were it otherwise the case the latifundia would still exist.
    , @random observer
    Actually some fair points. Even this one, so far as the frustrations of the Native Americans are concerned:

    "And, regarding this “disappearing” act, well, perhaps you are feeling just like Native Americans felt when the Europeans barged in. That’s life."

    It's just that it's an extra grade of annoying when the process of 'replacement' [augmentation, if you prefer] is essentially voluntary on the part of your own government and society, driven by policy and selected interests, and involves even the most hard-working newcomers having the privilege of arriving in an already established state, with government, law, social programs, infrastructure, and a vast private economy already waiting for them to slot themselves in.

    The original Europeans had to bring all that with them or build it.

    Historically, you get to call a country your own when you do the work of taking it and building it, OR, the people who did that decide you would benefit the country and take you in.

    I don't see too many immigrants building new towns, clearing new lands, or any of these civilization-building activities.

    You can wear all the t shirts you want with pictures of great Indian war chiefs and slogans like "Homeland Security: Since 1492". But there wasn't the whole apparatus of government, public finance, infrastructure, commerce and welfare waiting for the incomers of those days.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Corvinus, Since blacks make up about 13% of the US population it would make sense that if only 14% of whites were on welfare it would be a number greater than the total black population, but that's a typical liberal ploy.
  145. @Bill
    "The basic claim is that the higher death rate among middle-age whites rate demonstrates that whites are now the real oppressed group. "

    No, that's not the claim. Try again.

    No, that’s not the claim. Try again.

    If you say white lives don’t matter, it means whites are oppressed.

    [But why be defensive about not grasping a comment by being rude. Is admitting not getting something too "demoralizing"?]

  146. @Corvinus
    “…as my health insurance deductible skyrockets to pay for black and brown parasites, just when I enter the age when I will need it most…”

    Considering more white people are on welfare, they are also leeching as well.

    “To those unlucky people who will live in the future: Enjoy your dirty brown planet. I am glad I won’t be here with you.”

    Is this the reason why white lives don’t matter, because of self-loathing and self-hatred?

    “Anyone who thinks this comment is extreme doesn’t have the frontal lobes to see what’s coming, or the good taste to see what has already disappeared.”

    White people will still be around, they will still be in leadership positions, they still will “create” things. And, regarding this “disappearing” act, well, perhaps you are feeling just like Native Americans felt when the Europeans barged in. That’s life.


    “Today, I go to the grocery store or to a restaurant and I’m alone, surrounded by foreigners who look, talk and act completely different from me. There are few young white couples with children; my generation of whites was the last to see this place as “home.””

    Yet, these “foreigners” work hard, have children, pay taxes, and are probably Americans.

    “We have literally been replaced.”

    White people are still around. No one has “replaced” them.


    Socially Extinct--"Hispanics have “nothing to live for (in Western parlance),” they perform consistently bad academically and economically. No one wants to live near them."

    Well, there is some merit to what you have to say, except you are being rather simplistic. Their problems are observably no different than any other immigrant group that has come here.

    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2009/12/11/between-two-worlds-how-young-latinos-come-of-age-in-america/

    It will probably take at least another generation’s worth of new facts on the ground to know whether these theories have merit. But it is not too soon to take some snapshots and lay down some markers. This report does so by assembling a wide range of empirical evidence (some generated by our own new survey; some by our analysis of government data) and subjecting it to a series of comparisons: between Latinos and non-Latinos; between young Latinos and older Latinos; between foreign-born Latinos and native-born Latinos; and between first, second, and third and higher generations of Latinos.

    “Blah-blah-blah, egalitarianism, blah-blah-blah, all races are the same except whites who are uniquely evil, blah-blah-blah, all races except whites should fight for their political unity and power, blah-blah-blah, whites should just bend over and take it because racism, blah-blah-blah…”

    Zzzzzz….

  147. @Truth
    So a race of people can be demoralized by decades (not even centuries) of all-encompassing negative publicity, to the point where they, collectively start making awful and self-hating decisions?

    Steve, you're making this up.

    Well-spotted, Truth. Totally explains the soaring white homicide rate and failing white schools which have made working class white neighborhoods no-go zones from which black families can’t flee fast enough.

  148. As the philosopher/automotive engineer Adam Carolla likes to say…“It’s just Darwin taking out the trash”.

    So a cohort of self indulgent, low IQ types are dying off early due to excess drink/drugs/smoking and general unhealthy habits and I’m supposed to feel bad because I’m in the same basic racial category??

    I see it more as just less people of this race, the so called “whites” to use that idiotic term, getting in my way, wasting tax dollars in the medical system and maybe hurting me out on the roads.

    Now if we could just increase the death rates of all the other races I would be even happier!!

  149. @Steve Sailer
    "People with addictive genes are simply being removed from the white gene pool."

    Not if they are middle-aged when they die.

    My wife and I have been attending group therapy sessions at the rehab facility where our daughter is currently placed. There are about two dozen residents there. Most of them have children, often several children. Several of them have mentioned having parents who were themselves drug addicts.

    So no, the addictive gene is not being removed from the gene pool.

  150. Back for a moment to Steve’s ” . . . demoralization of white Americans” phrase. I think the idea is worth exploring because statist liberals and leftists of all sorts seem to believe and act as though there were a homogeneous white America. either as a genuinely felt idea, or as political cover for schemes to lower wage rates, stymie union solidarity, externalize personal demons, etc. Plenty of red herrings, though, such as affirmative action gamed by corporate America to prefer white women to black men. (I’m not sure a homogeneous white America exists except in the minds of those who wish to extract concessions from that artificial entity, but the “demoralization” phrase hit me in a sort of “bellyfeel” way.)

  151. @Truth

    Meanwhile: While reading this article, I got a text from my dad. He took an early retirement a few years ago (something I cannot look forward to unless I win the lottery) and he was sending me photos from his beach condo, which is bigger than my house.

    “Keep working and paying into Social Security so I can continue to enjoy all this!” he wrote.
     
    My friend, for a second, let's just ignore my suspicion that your problems are well beyond the scale of this article, and focus on how your father can afford a beach condo "bigger than your house" on a $1,400 a month social security check...

    Social Security is need based now?

    My dad did the same thing: retired at 59 after 30 years as a VP for a small corporation, sold his house near Boston for $250K more than he paid for it, built a 5 bedroom, 2 1/2 bath house in a sleepy Florida Gulf town, and he and my mom spent the next 20 years sitting on their deck watching the shrimp boats go out and come in until his death 2 years ago.

    And he cashed every SS check with a vengeance. Not because he needed it, but because it was his money “the bastards” took from him every 2 weeks.

    • Replies: @Bleuteaux
    You've just described my parents. And they didn't even go to college. I, with the several degrees, could not possibly wish to be as successful as them.
    , @Truth
    Yes, but did his luxury lifestyle DEPEND upon S.S?
  152. @Popeye Goyle
    The problem with the libertarian-style idea of letting these poor whites pass into oblivion because of their bad choices seems not only cruel but a little muddle-headed. Poor whites are the most openly antagonized group in the modern paradigm; the fact that as a group they are failing unto death is not an instance of meritocracy in action. People who can observe the failure of low class whites without any sense of horror are probably following their libertarian principles to the point of absurdity. (Libertarians, why weren't low class whites failing so spectacularly in the 1950s, for example?)
    Noblesse oblige, on the other hand, is a beautiful bit of humanity. Properly, noblesse oblige is not ordered to sustaining the lower classes as parasites forever living off of the higher classes. Rather, I think it is meant to give the low classes the best conditions for whatever limited kind of success they can achieve. Noblesse oblige, the high-minded guidance of the lower classes for the sake of the nation's common good, is the debt that the innately gifted owe to the nation's common blood.

    I could see smoothing the edges for various audiences, but that’s one of the finest mission statements for elitism and elite self-consciousness that I have ever seen.

    As long as that last clause is included. Ideally, the common blood is the pool from which the elite is regularly refreshed, and taking care of it also means the elite’s less impressive descendants do not fall so far in the future, either.

    I don’t think there is any numerically significant society in the world today that actually operates on these principles, sadly.

  153. @Mr. Blank
    You'd be right ... If my dad weren't already on wife No. 3. Unfortunately, most of his fortune will end up going to a bunch of people who aren't related to me and whose names I can't even keep straight because I never see them.

    look on the bright side: he might have a reverse mortgage on the place so that when he kicks the bucket they’ll get screwed just as hard.

  154. @Daniel Williams

    For the last 40-50 that system has been mocked, undermined, and destroyed.
     
    Truth. The modern world is ugly and strange. "Grit your teeth through the chemo, sir. Don't you want to see your son complete his sex-change therapy?"

    Bravo. All of our modern world distilled into one sentence, or near enough.

  155. @Corvinus
    “…as my health insurance deductible skyrockets to pay for black and brown parasites, just when I enter the age when I will need it most…”

    Considering more white people are on welfare, they are also leeching as well.

    “To those unlucky people who will live in the future: Enjoy your dirty brown planet. I am glad I won’t be here with you.”

    Is this the reason why white lives don’t matter, because of self-loathing and self-hatred?

    “Anyone who thinks this comment is extreme doesn’t have the frontal lobes to see what’s coming, or the good taste to see what has already disappeared.”

    White people will still be around, they will still be in leadership positions, they still will “create” things. And, regarding this “disappearing” act, well, perhaps you are feeling just like Native Americans felt when the Europeans barged in. That’s life.


    “Today, I go to the grocery store or to a restaurant and I’m alone, surrounded by foreigners who look, talk and act completely different from me. There are few young white couples with children; my generation of whites was the last to see this place as “home.””

    Yet, these “foreigners” work hard, have children, pay taxes, and are probably Americans.

    “We have literally been replaced.”

    White people are still around. No one has “replaced” them.


    Socially Extinct--"Hispanics have “nothing to live for (in Western parlance),” they perform consistently bad academically and economically. No one wants to live near them."

    Well, there is some merit to what you have to say, except you are being rather simplistic. Their problems are observably no different than any other immigrant group that has come here.

    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2009/12/11/between-two-worlds-how-young-latinos-come-of-age-in-america/

    It will probably take at least another generation’s worth of new facts on the ground to know whether these theories have merit. But it is not too soon to take some snapshots and lay down some markers. This report does so by assembling a wide range of empirical evidence (some generated by our own new survey; some by our analysis of government data) and subjecting it to a series of comparisons: between Latinos and non-Latinos; between young Latinos and older Latinos; between foreign-born Latinos and native-born Latinos; and between first, second, and third and higher generations of Latinos.

    “they will still be in leadership positions” – The first thing the non-white democrats do when they get the ability to do so is get rid of the white democrats. There is not going to be a future for leftist statuswhores anymore than the rest of us. Were it otherwise the case the latifundia would still exist.

  156. @Truth
    So a race of people can be demoralized by decades (not even centuries) of all-encompassing negative publicity, to the point where they, collectively start making awful and self-hating decisions?

    Steve, you're making this up.

    If that were the explanation for white American failings now, it would at least make sense. 40 years of negative publicity, still going on and getting worse by the day for the last 25, producing corresponding pathologies.

    Some populations manage to bear up pretty well under intense ‘negative publicity’ and then go all to hell when the government, press, media and educational establishment start telling them they are wonderful and can do no wrong and spend 50 years uselessly trying to assist them.

    I’m not sure which explanation speaks the worst about the population concerned, but I can surely tell which one makes more sense.

  157. @Truth
    Hey Guys, let's face it; the world is TOTALLY unfair to white males, Your women have the audacity to increasingly look at someone else, you are demonized at every turn, you've gone from owning %99 percent of everything to like %96...duh man is steadily holding you back from what's rightfully and hereditarily yours.

    But you have to ask yourself two important questions:

    1. Is all this whiny, naval-grazing, self-pitty on a blog my best course of action? I mean, it's just so...for lack of a better term...so BETA.

    2. How would THE DUKE have dealt with it.?

    Fear not though, The Truthster is always here with your best outcomes in mind.

    Pay close attention below to how A MAN deals with the walls closing in. From 2:30 - 3:02 he personifies what the term "Alpha" is all about.

    (And at 6:05 the man personifies exactly what it doesn't...)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=187&v=XxWimFepdn4

    I looked at the Youtube comments and remained unenlightened on one point- did dude ever offer any explanation for his initial assault on smartphone guy? Or was it just drunk-harass random stranger day for him?

    If it weren’t for that all-important initial few seconds and the otherwise irrelevant focus on smartphone guy’s alleged queerness, I’d be on dude’s side all the way. “He took my picture without my permission so I kicked him in the balls” is a wholly justifiable cause-effect relationship.

    But dude did assault smartphone guy first, or so it would appear. Just another unexplained slice of life.

    I DID like the alpha-beta contrast though. That’s about as clear-cut as it gets. Dude’s smile and laugh and banter with the offscreen woman was classic. The beta brother sounded like he just got out of a consciousness-raising session from the HR department.

    To avoid being classed as a super beta, would you require that I endorse dude’s actions from the start? Because I sadly must confess betatude then. If interviewed on video, I’d probably have said being drunk or wasted in public and drawing attention to yourself is lowbrow. I doubt John Wayne or Gary Cooper would endorse it. Maybe not even John McClane…

    • Replies: @Truth

    I’d probably have said being drunk or wasted in public and drawing attention to yourself is lowbrow. I doubt John Wayne or Gary Cooper would endorse it. Maybe not even John McClane…
     
    I don't know, Bro, the Visgoths, Vikings and Huns were drunk in public and drew a fair amount of attention to themselves.
  158. @Corvinus
    “…as my health insurance deductible skyrockets to pay for black and brown parasites, just when I enter the age when I will need it most…”

    Considering more white people are on welfare, they are also leeching as well.

    “To those unlucky people who will live in the future: Enjoy your dirty brown planet. I am glad I won’t be here with you.”

    Is this the reason why white lives don’t matter, because of self-loathing and self-hatred?

    “Anyone who thinks this comment is extreme doesn’t have the frontal lobes to see what’s coming, or the good taste to see what has already disappeared.”

    White people will still be around, they will still be in leadership positions, they still will “create” things. And, regarding this “disappearing” act, well, perhaps you are feeling just like Native Americans felt when the Europeans barged in. That’s life.


    “Today, I go to the grocery store or to a restaurant and I’m alone, surrounded by foreigners who look, talk and act completely different from me. There are few young white couples with children; my generation of whites was the last to see this place as “home.””

    Yet, these “foreigners” work hard, have children, pay taxes, and are probably Americans.

    “We have literally been replaced.”

    White people are still around. No one has “replaced” them.


    Socially Extinct--"Hispanics have “nothing to live for (in Western parlance),” they perform consistently bad academically and economically. No one wants to live near them."

    Well, there is some merit to what you have to say, except you are being rather simplistic. Their problems are observably no different than any other immigrant group that has come here.

    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2009/12/11/between-two-worlds-how-young-latinos-come-of-age-in-america/

    It will probably take at least another generation’s worth of new facts on the ground to know whether these theories have merit. But it is not too soon to take some snapshots and lay down some markers. This report does so by assembling a wide range of empirical evidence (some generated by our own new survey; some by our analysis of government data) and subjecting it to a series of comparisons: between Latinos and non-Latinos; between young Latinos and older Latinos; between foreign-born Latinos and native-born Latinos; and between first, second, and third and higher generations of Latinos.

    Actually some fair points. Even this one, so far as the frustrations of the Native Americans are concerned:

    “And, regarding this “disappearing” act, well, perhaps you are feeling just like Native Americans felt when the Europeans barged in. That’s life.”

    It’s just that it’s an extra grade of annoying when the process of ‘replacement’ [augmentation, if you prefer] is essentially voluntary on the part of your own government and society, driven by policy and selected interests, and involves even the most hard-working newcomers having the privilege of arriving in an already established state, with government, law, social programs, infrastructure, and a vast private economy already waiting for them to slot themselves in.

    The original Europeans had to bring all that with them or build it.

    Historically, you get to call a country your own when you do the work of taking it and building it, OR, the people who did that decide you would benefit the country and take you in.

    I don’t see too many immigrants building new towns, clearing new lands, or any of these civilization-building activities.

    You can wear all the t shirts you want with pictures of great Indian war chiefs and slogans like “Homeland Security: Since 1492″. But there wasn’t the whole apparatus of government, public finance, infrastructure, commerce and welfare waiting for the incomers of those days.

  159. @Corvinus
    “…as my health insurance deductible skyrockets to pay for black and brown parasites, just when I enter the age when I will need it most…”

    Considering more white people are on welfare, they are also leeching as well.

    “To those unlucky people who will live in the future: Enjoy your dirty brown planet. I am glad I won’t be here with you.”

    Is this the reason why white lives don’t matter, because of self-loathing and self-hatred?

    “Anyone who thinks this comment is extreme doesn’t have the frontal lobes to see what’s coming, or the good taste to see what has already disappeared.”

    White people will still be around, they will still be in leadership positions, they still will “create” things. And, regarding this “disappearing” act, well, perhaps you are feeling just like Native Americans felt when the Europeans barged in. That’s life.


    “Today, I go to the grocery store or to a restaurant and I’m alone, surrounded by foreigners who look, talk and act completely different from me. There are few young white couples with children; my generation of whites was the last to see this place as “home.””

    Yet, these “foreigners” work hard, have children, pay taxes, and are probably Americans.

    “We have literally been replaced.”

    White people are still around. No one has “replaced” them.


    Socially Extinct--"Hispanics have “nothing to live for (in Western parlance),” they perform consistently bad academically and economically. No one wants to live near them."

    Well, there is some merit to what you have to say, except you are being rather simplistic. Their problems are observably no different than any other immigrant group that has come here.

    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2009/12/11/between-two-worlds-how-young-latinos-come-of-age-in-america/

    It will probably take at least another generation’s worth of new facts on the ground to know whether these theories have merit. But it is not too soon to take some snapshots and lay down some markers. This report does so by assembling a wide range of empirical evidence (some generated by our own new survey; some by our analysis of government data) and subjecting it to a series of comparisons: between Latinos and non-Latinos; between young Latinos and older Latinos; between foreign-born Latinos and native-born Latinos; and between first, second, and third and higher generations of Latinos.

    Corvinus, Since blacks make up about 13% of the US population it would make sense that if only 14% of whites were on welfare it would be a number greater than the total black population, but that’s a typical liberal ploy.

  160. Considering more white people are on welfare, they are also leeching as well.

    I don’t follow your logic (why would they need to be a majority to be considered “leeching as well”? If this isn’t your logic, why put those two clauses together that way?), but one would certainly hope that whites are the majority on welfare, considering that they’re 60 percent or so of the population and the next biggest group is only 15-20 percent of the population and largely came here to “do work Americans won’t do.” Nevertheless, black welfare-use rates are so high that the number of blacks on welfare actually approaches the number of whites on welfare, despite the fact that blacks are little more than 12 percent of the population.

    White people are still around. No one has “replaced” them.

    I know what you mean. I want to “not replace” Jews by making Israel 95% Arab (and other non-Jewish). Jews will totally still be around.

  161. AnAnon–”The first thing the non-white democrats do when they get the ability to do so is get rid of the white democrats. There is not going to be a future for leftist status whores anymore than the rest of us. Were it otherwise the case the latifundia would still exist.”

    
That’s patently false. Non-white democrats, if and when they ever get “control of the government” will invariable need the support of the “coalition of the fringes”. It’s smart politics.

    Random Observer–”The original Europeans had to bring all that with them or build it.”

    
Actually, tribal groups have government, commerce, and infrastructure already in place designed to suit their civilization.

    Random Observer–”I don’t see too many immigrants building new towns, clearing new lands, or any of these civilization-building activities.”

    You wouldn’t today, since everything is in place. Are you simply being obtuse? Moreover, the “civilization-building activities” you listed is exclusively from a European perspective, which is not necessarily how other groups of people viewed “civilization”. Advanced technology is only one metric.

    Buffalo Joe–”Since blacks make up about 13% of the US population it would make sense that if only 14% of whites were on welfare it would be a number greater than the total black population, but that’s a typical liberal ploy.”

    Yes, one looks at percentages (standard conservative trope), another looks at raw numbers (“typical liberal ploy”). Regardless, the fact remains that more whites are on welfare than blacks.

    Svigor–”I don’t follow your logic (why would they need to be a majority to be considered “leeching as well”?”

    It’s not that hard. It would stand to argue that whites, blacks, and Hispanics who are on welfare are ALL “leeches”, correct?

    Svigor–“I want to “not replace” Jews by making Israel 95% Arab (and other non-Jewish)”

    What is it with people’s obsession here with da Joos? That situation has little chance of occurring, similar to “whites” being “replaced” in the United States.

  162. @Brutusale
    Social Security is need based now?

    My dad did the same thing: retired at 59 after 30 years as a VP for a small corporation, sold his house near Boston for $250K more than he paid for it, built a 5 bedroom, 2 1/2 bath house in a sleepy Florida Gulf town, and he and my mom spent the next 20 years sitting on their deck watching the shrimp boats go out and come in until his death 2 years ago.

    And he cashed every SS check with a vengeance. Not because he needed it, but because it was his money "the bastards" took from him every 2 weeks.

    You’ve just described my parents. And they didn’t even go to college. I, with the several degrees, could not possibly wish to be as successful as them.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Neither did mine. They were lucky enough to live in a time where hard work mattered more than credentials.
  163. @Brutusale
    Social Security is need based now?

    My dad did the same thing: retired at 59 after 30 years as a VP for a small corporation, sold his house near Boston for $250K more than he paid for it, built a 5 bedroom, 2 1/2 bath house in a sleepy Florida Gulf town, and he and my mom spent the next 20 years sitting on their deck watching the shrimp boats go out and come in until his death 2 years ago.

    And he cashed every SS check with a vengeance. Not because he needed it, but because it was his money "the bastards" took from him every 2 weeks.

    Yes, but did his luxury lifestyle DEPEND upon S.S?

  164. @Bleuteaux
    You've just described my parents. And they didn't even go to college. I, with the several degrees, could not possibly wish to be as successful as them.

    Neither did mine. They were lucky enough to live in a time where hard work mattered more than credentials.

  165. @random observer
    I looked at the Youtube comments and remained unenlightened on one point- did dude ever offer any explanation for his initial assault on smartphone guy? Or was it just drunk-harass random stranger day for him?

    If it weren't for that all-important initial few seconds and the otherwise irrelevant focus on smartphone guy's alleged queerness, I'd be on dude's side all the way. "He took my picture without my permission so I kicked him in the balls" is a wholly justifiable cause-effect relationship.

    But dude did assault smartphone guy first, or so it would appear. Just another unexplained slice of life.

    I DID like the alpha-beta contrast though. That's about as clear-cut as it gets. Dude's smile and laugh and banter with the offscreen woman was classic. The beta brother sounded like he just got out of a consciousness-raising session from the HR department.

    To avoid being classed as a super beta, would you require that I endorse dude's actions from the start? Because I sadly must confess betatude then. If interviewed on video, I'd probably have said being drunk or wasted in public and drawing attention to yourself is lowbrow. I doubt John Wayne or Gary Cooper would endorse it. Maybe not even John McClane...

    I’d probably have said being drunk or wasted in public and drawing attention to yourself is lowbrow. I doubt John Wayne or Gary Cooper would endorse it. Maybe not even John McClane…

    I don’t know, Bro, the Visgoths, Vikings and Huns were drunk in public and drew a fair amount of attention to themselves.

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