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The New York Times’ main White House correspondent explains that the poor representation of blacks (1%) at Stuyvesant HS in NYC is due to whites (18%) having White Privilege:

Granted, Asians make up 74% of the Stuyvesant student body, but NYT reporters don’t possess concepts like Asian Supremacy, so who can remember random numbers like that?

Moreover, White Supremacy is now infecting much of the Third World:

For example, in Pakistan

where the Prime Minister is either Imran Khan or Mark Wahlberg; and in India:

where the leader of the opposition Congress Party, Rahul Gandhi, the son, grandson, and great-grandson of Indian Prime Ministers, looks like Steve Carrell playing Jim Carrey playing Mr. Bean.

 
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  1. bob sykes says:

    It should be noted that Pakis and Hindus are Indo-Europeans and occupy their seats of privilege by right of conquest, the only legitimate right.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @greysquirrell
  2. jill says:

    Help is on the way…

    According to the DOE, there are fewer total offers to the specialized high schools this year because the agency plans to make about 500 offers through the Discovery Program.

    The city announced last year the expansion of its Discovery Program, which aims to have 20 percent of seats at each specialized high school reserved for students in the program by 2020.

    That two-year expansion, which would allow more students in the program to be accepted into specialized high schools, went into effect for the 2019-2020 school year, according to the DOE.

    https://www.silive.com/news/2019/03/only-1-black-student-offered-admission-to-staten-island-tech.html

    According to the administration, based on modeling of current offer patterns, 45 percent of offers would go to black and Latino students — compared to nine percent of current offers. In addition, 62 percent of offers would go to female students, compared to 44 percent currently.

    The administration said on its own the city could immediately expand the Discovery program, which is a program designed to increase enrollment of low-income students at specialized high schools.

    In addition to expanding the program to 20 percent of seats at each specialized high school, the mayor said the city would adjust the eligibility criteria so that only students in high-poverty schools at or above 60 percent on the city’s economic need index would receive offers through Discovery.

    Expanding the Discovery program will cost about $550,000 annually.

    https://www.silive.com/news/2018/06/mayor_to_scrap_specialized_hig.html

    • Agree: Triumph104
  3. dr kill says:

    As long as axe-grinding dunces like Maggie still whine, I know I am still winning. Thanks Maggie.

  4. Jack D says:

    Look at the Twitter comments – people are calling Maggie on her bullshit. Maybe in the pages of the NY Times you can pretend to ignore the Asian elephant in the room, but you can’t get away with this in an open forum.

    Of course Maggie isn’t dumb – if she had said that Asians spend years prepping for the test, that would have been racist. It’s never racist to criticize white people (and only white people).

    This morning I was watching TV and they mentioned a new theory based on DNA evidence that Jack the Ripper was “a Polish immigrant”. I looked him up – he was a Polish immigrant who spoke only Yiddish.

  5. Anon[220] • Disclaimer says:

    1. The gap is too large to be explained by test prep. As I back-of-the-enveloped in a comment to a previous post, the numbers released by the schools suggest a 0.8 standard deviation gap between blacks and the rest (which include Hispanics).

    2. New York schools offered free test prep for the previous test. Blacks did not take great advantage of that, but some did, and their results could be looked at. Maybe a New York Times reporter could request the data. What we do know is that during the period that prepping was free, the black results showed no jump.

    3. Test prep on tests that are mainly cognitive and designed by experts who know about prep and who design their tests to be resistant to it, can only can you a trivial gain, about 20 points on the SAT, way below 0.8 SDs. Test prep was studied and written about by Jensen, and the various ways that researchers studied the effects of test prep were summarized in some detail in a long appendix to the Bell Curve. Research has continued since them. New York Times reporters have a lot of material to work with if they really want to look into this. The key is to really query your experts, who do not want to be interviewed on this subject. Ask follow up questions. If someone says, “Test prep can help,” ask by how much, how much of an SD? Make them commit in a way that forces them to tell the truth or look like idiots in front of their peers. Make them choose between looking like an idiot or saying something mildly un-PC.

    4. Personality traits like conscientiousness or the pseudo-trait of “grit” don’t have much effect on testing. I think that “acting white” taboos might (but I don’t think it’s been researched), but the subset of blacks going out for special high schools are probably somewhat immune to that.

    5. In my opinion, learning disabilities are just modern euphemisms for low IQ. The taxonomy of dullness has just gotten more granular. If you cannot sit down and take a test, it doesn’t really matter why. Life doesn’t let you go through it with a full-time aide and tutor.

    • Agree: AndrewR
  6. DWright says:
    @Jack D

    Yes and Hitler gassed a lot of Germans, Poles and Hungarians.

  7. Chewie111 says:

    VERY FEW of the public school student body in New York City is Non-Jewish Whites now.

    By and large, the only non-tribal whites who live there are the ones who have lived there their whole lives (and are slowly dying out), or are transient whites from elsewhere in the country who live and work there for a few years to bolster their resume and get the leverage for a better paying job in a city where they can actually afford to have a house and a family.

  8. AndrewR says:

    Rahul Gandhi’s mother is Italian.

    And I’m not sure I can co-sign Jack’s claim that Haberman isn’t stupid. I find it hard to admit that cowards and NPCs can be smart. Clever, yes. Smart, no.

  9. Tiny Duck says:

    If white perfidy is not to blame for things then how come whites enjoy so much wealth at the expense of People of Color?

    You “people” are monsters and lead to tragedies like in New Zealand. I hope you get shut down

    • Replies: @Alfa158
  10. KL says:

    American journalists don’t take advanced STEM classes to see the diversity. In addition to white Americans (Jews and Gentiles), there are white immigrants from Russia, Eastern Europe, and Turkey. There are immigrants and first-generation from Southeast Asia, China and Korea, including women. There are plenty of immigrants from Israel, Turkey, Brazil, and an occasional Nigerian or Ghanaian. In Steve Sailer’s day, there were more Japanese and Iranians. I almost forgot the occasional Arab, Australian, or South African.

    These people are mixture of Atheist, Christian, Jewish, Hindu (India), Sikh, Muslim (Turkey, Iran). Some literally wear pocket protectors. In other words, they do not discriminate on the basis of race, religion, or fashion.

  11. Jack D says:
    @Anon

    Test prep on tests that are mainly cognitive and designed by experts who know about prep and who design their tests to be resistant to it, can only can you a trivial gain, about 20 points on the SAT, way below 0.8 SDs.

    Basically, you only have two choices on how to structure an admission test – either it is an IQ test, which is relatively immune to prepping (but then you might as well just give an IQ test) or else it is a subject matter test which tests how much you actually know. If it is the latter, then “prepping” is the same as learning stuff. Are you “cheating” or “prepping” if you learn algebra to take an algebra test?

    The College Board has recognized this conundrum and now say that SAT (which used to stand for Scholastic Aptitude Test) no longer stands for anything.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    , @Dtbb
  12. Alfa158 says:

    Asians are one the formerly invisible minorities, but to the NYT they are still the Invisible Minority because they are the Inconvenient Minority.

    BTW, I know in the past it has been remarked how Hispanics are another invisible minority because they are so under represented in media and culture despite being more numerous than Blacks, who sometimes appear to be 50% of the people in media. The other day I noticed a breakthrough in a car commercial where a driver was one of those 4’6” dark brown Indios who are increasingly ubiquitous in much of the US. She was saved from a collision by the car’s cross traffic alert system.

    One of the strange sights in SoCal are these women who are working as nannies and maids for women like Maggie, and are shepherding White grade schoolers who aren’t that much shorter than they are.

    • Replies: @Anon
  13. Truth says:

    Well I’m glad Twinkie made it home to work for the administration at his alma mater and mentor the young admissions staff.

    HAHAHAHA!

    Just funnin with you Buddy. OK, go back to your secret assasination mission.

  14. IHTG says:

    Maggie Haberman is a tedious basic bitch liberal whose only notable quality is the (rare for her demographic) ability to deal with the Trump White House without foaming at the mouth.

  15. @KL

    There are almost no American blacks and Hispanics, however. That’s the only diversity that the journalists care about. Plus, in the undergrad STEM classes, the overwhelming numbers of Chinese and Korean simply baffles all rational thought.

    • Replies: @KL
  16. @Jack D

    I don’t see how even an adult could do well on those tests without prep. Have you looked at prep questions for the PSAT lately? They give an example of ambiguous writing and then ask ambiguous questions about it. when my daughter was recently reviewing for it, I found that I couldn’t answer any of the questions confidently. I read all manner of books, both new and old, and I don’t parse sentences and phrases like that in order to get a precise meaning. Did the author even write with such precision?

    If you’re not soaking in this sort of approach on a regular basis, you have no hope on those tests. I think it tests both IQ and your ability to prep. Perhaps those are the same?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  17. Jack D says:
    @jill

    A

    ccording to the administration, based on modeling of current offer patterns, 45 percent of offers would go to black and Latino students — compared to nine percent of current offers. In addition, 62 percent of offers would go to female students, compared to 44 percent currently.

    I think this refers to Phase II of DeBlasio’s plan, which is to get rid of the test altogether and implement some kind of top X percent at each elementary school type plan. Not the Discovery plan. This would require legislation at the state level because admission by test is enshrined in NY state law.

    However, the Discovery plan seems to be an end run around state law (and one that has survived legal challenge so far). They are trying to rig Discovery so that it will be only for blacks and Hispanics. Step 2 (if they can’t get the legislature to change the law) would be to increase Discovery to a higher % of the class and rig the criteria even more in favor of kids coming from ghetto schools.

    As I mention elsewhere, raising black enrollment is only step 1 – once you have these kids in the school you have to dumb the curriculum down in order to keep them there. Being top 10% in a ghetto school means that you can do addition and subtraction without using your fingers. They will be completely lost among the Chinese calculus whizzes.

  18. peterike says:
    @Anon

    Test prep on tests that are mainly cognitive and designed by experts who know about prep and who design their tests to be resistant to it, can only can you a trivial gain

    Well there’s “test prep,” and then there’s outright cheating.

  19. Danindc says:

    So close Steve but Ghandi looks exactly like David Wallace who was Michael Scott’s (Played by Steve Carrell) boss in The Office.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=david+wallace&client=safari&hl=en-us&prmd=ivn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjNqrfOzI7hAhWLTt8KHbcfDUYQ_AUoAXoECAwQAQ&biw=375&bih=597#imgrc=B5XCyN3caU5wzM

  20. amadis says:

    Seeing as you posted a quote-tweet of my tweet I feel I should pop in to say that I’ve met Rahul and he is even whiter in person. He gave every impression of being a Beto O’Rourke type dork, right down to the habit of standing on things awkwardly to give speeches (a car in his case). I had to wait in the darkness by the side of a narrow country road until about 2am, being given the side-eye by impressively moustachioed Indian army officers with swagger sticks (the proportion of officers to men was worrying weighed in their direction) until Rahul turned up. He gave a solid glad hand but looked like he’d be more at home in a hipster bar than stuck with some white guy and his retinue of shabby Forest Rangers. He struck me as charming enough but without the kind of low-level toughness you need for 21st century Indian politics, where whipping up your followers in a frenzy against the local minority (but not enough that they actually go on a rampage) is key to getting voter turn out. Maybe he should break out a copy of the Ramayana for some tips on how the last bunch of Indo-Europeans did it.

  21. Anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfa158

    “One of the strange sights in SoCal are these women who are working as nannies and maids for women like Maggie, and are shepherding White grade schoolers who aren’t that much shorter than they are.”

    Creepiest thing about these “Hispanics” (aka indios) are the hordes of children exactly the same size as the parents. WTF?

    The subways are full of them; wasn’t there a Mets player who was fired for “noticing” that on the 7 train?

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    , @Known Fact
  22. res says:
    @jill

    I wonder what happens when the students admitted through the Discovery Program underperform in the classroom. And down, down, down we go.

    Does anyone know how they managed to reconcile the Discovery Program with the legal requirement to base admissions solely (I think) on the tests?

    P.S. The program actually sounds somewhat reasonable:

    The program — which was expanded this year — aims to increase diversity by offering admission to high-need students who score just below the entrance exam score cutoff if they complete a summer program.

    But who knows what “just below” translates to.

    And it would be interesting to see a fair accounting of how “high-need” corresponds with race. I bet there are many “high-need” Asians who are truly just below (e.g. not an SD below) the cutoff. Though possibly they were able to target the “high-need” threshold to maximize black representation.

    P.P.S. Thanks for posting that. It sounds like you have additional information (e.g. the projections) beyond the directly linked article. Can you recommend other sources?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Mr McKenna
  23. The New York Times’ main White House correspondent explains that the poor representation of blacks (1%) at Stuyvesant HS in NYC is due to whites (18%) having White Privilege:

    Anyone who can afford to live in a white neighborhood in Manhattan is by definition a privileged white. Or similarly privileged Tom.

    where the Prime Minister is either Imran Khan or Mark Wahlberg

    That’s not cricket of you.

    Perhaps Wahlberg could play Khan playing the second lead, alongside Eddie Murphy, in Gumby and Paki.

    https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/gumby-and-pokey/n9111

  24. Jack D says:
    @res

    P.S. The program actually sounds somewhat reasonable:

    Don’t be naive. The goal of the program (the ONLY goal) is to increase black and Hispanic enrollment By Any Means Necessary. Everything else is window dressing to make it withstand legal scrutiny and preserve the support of well intentioned people such as yourself. If it doesn’t produce the desired results under the superficially fair current structure, they will tweak the program until it does. At that point you will no longer support it but it will be far too late.

    • Replies: @res
  25. stevecel says:

    Is this Hakan or Hakon fellow some alter ego or other relation of yours Steve? Anyway I would mean what he says unironically. Hispanics are the whitest nonwhites out there. Too bad they are held back by their sad ancestry.

  26. Anon[190] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s so silly to call the New York school system segregated when 70 percent of the students are black or Hispanic, and some of the rest are Asian. It really is like saying that white kids emit magic fairy dust. How can whites be hoarding all the resources and good teachers when they constitute such a minority of the students?

    Also, as far as passing the SHSAT test, you don’t need computers in school, new textbooks, a band class, calculus in middle school, or anything else special. You need the three R’s. You need to be able to read a complex sentence and find the missing comma, and four hints are given. You need to read some sentences and arrange them into the best coherent paragraph. This stuff real is just innate intelligence bolstered by some reading.

  27. Jack D says:
    @stillCARealist

    “Prep” can mean different things. Even the College Board now admits that you should familiarize yourself with the format of the tests and take some practice tests (which they release) in order to get a feel for what the questions are like, how to pace yourself, etc. For my kids, that was all they needed.

    As you note, the tests sort of operate according to an ambiguous sort of logic (the kind smart people are good at, like crossword puzzle clues and not smart people aren’t – if the test was crystal clear it wouldn’t separate the wheat from the chaff) and you have to (and can, if you have the IQ for it) tune your mind to that special sort of logic once you understand what they are looking for (look at the “right” answers on the practice tests and you should be able to catch on after a while).

    Other kids may require some refreshing on math or grammar but if you didn’t learn it the first time after 10 or 11 years in the classroom, it’s hard to say how you are going to make it stick in a quick refresher course – this is what the College Board means when they say that prepping doesn’t help.

  28. Years ago, I had a 95 average in parochial school and took the Catholic High School Entrance Exam. Bombed out bigtime!! I wasn’t admitted to the school of my choice. My parents protested to The Powers That Were in the ( NYC) Archdiocese but they didn’t want to hear it. The test was it!! Period! If you bombed out they didn’t want you–and screw the marks in school. C’est la vie, n’es pas?

    So as to Maggie Haberman’s “Yes it’s a test, no it is not an equal playing field”, well, c’est la vie, n’est pas?

    • Replies: @guest
  29. Your point about free preparation must be taken with a grain of salt. While there are exceptions, there is validity to the derisive term “public pretender.” Generally, these folks just don’t have the resources or motivation private lawyers have. (Ask yourself how things may have gone for Michael Jackson or Orenthal Simpson had they been impecunious.) Private representation can include larger teams of dedicated, more skilled lawyers, private investigators, and so on, completely dedicating all their time and focus to one client if the stakes (and the retainer) are high enough, along with guaranteed efforts at appeals.

    Now, not participating in the free preparation at all is akin to a fool who dismisses his public defender to proceed pro se, and your point has more validity there. But I expect whatever was offered free was not equivalent to a professional, private tutor (or a gaggle of them); rich, intelligent parents working with their children from infancy to develop vocabulary, conscientiousness, cognition, etc.; and so on.

    I agree much – perhaps most – of intelligence is hereditary, but I play Devil’s advocate here lest your arguments suffer for going too far.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  30. Alfa158 says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Translation for people who don’t know Tiny is doing parodies; by “Whites” he means Jews. He is following my coaching in trying to be more subtle about the trolling, and I think he’s making progress.
    I still wish though that he would take my original advice, start using the moniker Giant Cuck, and parody civic nationalist, free enterprise, National Review Republican,Hispanics are natural conservatives, Never Trump, cuck brigade stalwarts. It is striking how you absolutely never see anyone like that chiming in on the comment section. You see tons of us who typically read Unz, the occasional genuine Leftist and/or POC, and people like TD satirizing Leftists. You would think that on the basis of the laws of chance alone , at least every once in a while you would hear from a Jeb or John McCain fan. It’s puzzling. Where are they?

  31. res says:
    @Jack D

    I need an emoticon that indicates that I do get it. The sentence following the quote was meant to provide that. I agree with your comment.

    Any idea how they are avoiding the legal requirement to use the tests?

    P.S. I think these innocuous sounding programs are great for putting people in a double bind (undoubtedly part of the intent of their framing). Oppose the reasonable sounding words and you are a badthinker. Go along with those words and you are signing up for the switch part of “bait and switch.”

  32. Alfa158 says:
    @Anon

    I realized the reason they are here is that the elites don’t see fiction like Brave New World or the movies Elysium or Metropolis as cautionary dystopias but as blueprints for an ideal society. These people don’t have the technical ability to create Gammas like in Brave New World, but found out it doesn’t matter; they can just facilitate a population of natural Gammas in importing themselves.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  33. peterike says:

    It’s a pretty sad commentary when the Prime Minister of Pakistan looks a lot whiter than the Prime Minister of Ireland.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
  34. peterike says:
    @Jack D

    (look at the “right” answers on the practice tests and you should be able to catch on after a while).

    One hint. If there is ANY political/social aspect to the question, the politically incorrect answer is NEVER the answer.

  35. The left’s use of the phrase “white supremacist” actually violates left-wing post modernist thinking. Only the sub-culture in question should suggest labels, and the Other should respect the labels they suggest. Hence, liberal journalists should use WN approved labels like “ethno-nationalist.”

    • Agree: Coemgen
    • LOL: Mr McKenna
  36. As usual, the best political analyst is Herr Oscar Wilde, in no small part because he wasn’t trying to be a political analyst. His primary concern was beauty, of which politics is but a mere subset.

    Granted he was speaking here of aesthetic concerns, but since, when it comes to American racial politics, much of what we’re really arguing about is in fact aesthetic concerns, here is Wilde on the subject.

    Being a master of paradox, he boils it down to two modalities:

    1. “the rage of Caliban at seeing his own face in a glass” (viz., a mirror), and

    2. “the rage of Caliban at NOT seeing his own face in a glass.”

    A bit of a Zen koan for y’all. Do, as they say, the math.

  37. @Alfa158

    Is the little mallard actually Baghdad Bob?

  38. Barnard says:
    @Jack D

    Her last comment in the thread before slinking away from the facts was, “Stuy isn’t the only specialized school.” Every specialized high school in New York City is over 60% Asian. What would have been shocking is if she had replied to one of the people who responded by pointing out genetics is more important than test prep.

  39. @jill

    If they want to give Black and Hispanic access to advanced coursework, why wouldn’t they just add those programs as “honor” classes at the ghetto schools?

    But the progressive agenda is never about actually helping people or accomplishing concrete objectives. Instead it’s always about maintaining an outward appearance of equality in order to feel better, even if everyone knows it’s 100% BS.

  40. KL says:
    @stillCARealist

    Maybe my experience is dated, or maybe school and subfields differ. I don’t see many Chinese undergrads, nor Koreans. I see many Chinese graduate students. Pure math is mostly white. Applied math and computers/engineering has more South Asian or East Asian. Biology has more women.

  41. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jack D

    That’s why comments have got to go. Lawless 4chan after Christchurch is considering a scheme where visitors will have to buy an account and log in to start a thread or reply to one — they’ll still be anonymous to other readers, but identified clearly and tracked to administrators.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    , @Mr McKenna
  42. Alden says:

    Ghandi’s partly Italian

  43. El Dato says:

    White students generally have more means with which to prep for this test, some doing it for years.

    Blacks just don’t ace Mario Shit Brothers and Overwatch fast enough to be able to their homework in the remaining time.

    Only remedial courses in gaming and subsidized top-of-the-line gaming hardware can level that playing field!

  44. @Alfa158

    You would think that on the basis of the laws of chance alone , at least every once in a while you would hear from a Jeb or John McCain fan. It’s puzzling. Where are they?

    Two theories: (1) Polite cuckery is for public virtue signalling purposes only and thus there is zero reason to espouse those views anonymously when you can’t get public credit; (2) To the extent true-believer cucks really do exist, they believe Unz is White Supremacy Porn that might turn them into a Nazi or (worse) a Trump voter if they took a peak at the site.

  45. Jack D says:
    @Autochthon

    I don’t know how the contracts for the free prep program were given out, but in a lot of places contracts for services that are intended mainly to be rendered to “the community” are themselves steered to people from “the community”, which may not lead to the best results. Unless by best results you mean a Maserati in the driveway of certain black school principals.

    https://nypost.com/2019/02/28/de-blasio-and-co-mayor-wife-have-wasted-1-8b-of-taxpayer-money/

    https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2016/03/29/feds-charge-9-current-and-former-detroit-school-principals/82375712/

    • Agree: Autochthon, Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @J.Ross
  46. Dtbb says:
    @Jack D

    With all the extra prep studies to get ahead it makes one wonder if the schools actually accomplish much.

  47. @Alfa158

    I realized the reason they are here is that the elites don’t see fiction like Brave New World or the movies Elysium or Metropolis as cautionary dystopias but as blueprints for an ideal society.

    Excuse the cynicism, but that’s how they read the Moynihan Report, too.

    • Replies: @res
  48. guest says:

    As always, the answer to the pretend-problem of unlevel playing field is for the NYT to have control of human Americans from the womb to the grave.

  49. guest says:
    @Jack D

    Though they would likely explain not mentioning his heritage as adhering to their strict relevance policy (never applied to certain other groups), in this case it is relevant because a potential witness was known to be reticent to speak because he didn’t rat on co-ethnics.

  50. res says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Excuse the cynicism, but that’s how they read the Moynihan Report, too.

    Ouch. For anyone who does not know the reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negro_Family:_The_Case_For_National_Action

  51. Alden says:
    @Jack D

    Aaron Kiminsky. It’s not a theory. He was a leading suspect. He was hustled back into the mental hospital and the killings ended.

    He cut himself while killing one of the victims. He left his blood on her shawl. Police kept all the victims clothing. DNA sample proves it was AAron Kiminsky.

    There must have been as many books written about Jack the Ripper as who really killed Kennedy. But the DNA discovery has been covered up as usual.

  52. @Jack D

    man those poles with their swarthy complexions and large noses!

  53. guest says:
    @Prester John

    “Equal playing field” is a nonsense phrase. She garbles the LEVEL playing field idiom to come up with I don’t know what. But

    What would her NFL look like, I wonder. Level field, check. All players went to the same college, same coaching, same nutrition, same workout schedule, same family life, same in utero hormones…

  54. @Anon

    I improved by over a standard deviation from my first GMAT practice test to the last time I took the GMAT. Test prep definitely works if you put the hours in and have the talent. Just having good time management skills and test strategy goes a long ways.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  55. Alden says:
    @Jack D

    Back in the olden olden days there was no such thing as SAT prep. We were told there was no way to study for the tests.

    Those employment aptitude tests were interesting. About 125 questions. After question 75 the correct answers depended on putting together bits of information in the first 75 questions and answers.

    Those exams tested for quick thinking, putting together bits of information to determine correct actions and solutions and the ability to learn quickly.

    That was when corporations trained new employees but obviously needed employees who could learn fast.

    Nowadays they accept obviously false Chinese and Indian resumes and allow new hires to blunder about faking it. instead of testing for ability to learn fast

    It was just 2 sets of supreme minions of satan outlawed employment testing: Griggs vs Duke Power and Kaiser vs Weber

  56. Anon[126] • Disclaimer says:
    @bob sykes

    Rahul Gandhi is half-Italian.

    Khan is from an ethnicity called the Burki. They are an endagomous of Yemeni origin and arrived during the Islamic invasion of India.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  57. Daniel H says:

    NY Times opining on Stuyvesant (Haberman’s tweet and the the photo of the “grinning” white boys) is the par excellence example of left Fake News. Yes, there are facts. Some boys actually were grinning as they left school (what kid doesn’t let off a grin of relief when school’s out, especially on Friday.) and yes, Blacks represent less than 1% of the student body at Stuyvesant, but there is no truth in these assertions. No truth. If Haberman and the Times wish to get at the true Truth of why there is such racial imbalance at Stuyvesant, well they can just search the NY Times own archives and discover the New York State assemblyman (and his colleagues) who sponsored and pushed forth the legislation in 1971 that mandated the special exam as the SOLE criteria for admittance to the special schools. Hint (who and whom). Hint (what was going on in the late 60s early 70s). Hint (who was fearful of being dispossessed in NYC in the late 60s early 70s). Hint. Hint.

  58. Anon[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Envy has always played a massive part in leftist thinking. Blacks don’t envy Asians. Asians are invisible to blacks. In a situation in which whites are only 18%, they still stand out to blacks and blacks are still boiling with envy about whites.

    Just look at Beto O’Rourke. He’s getting jabbed on the left by activists of color who are terribly envious of him.

    Envy is the great destroyer. I’m not sure the Democratic coalition can survive it. When the crabs in the bucket think it’s more important to drag down the other crabs in the bucket than win, they will no longer be able to function as a combined unit to succeed in elections.

  59. Didn’t get around to pointing it out on the college scandal thread, but

    education is not inherently a scarce good

    And with the Internet, the scaling becomes huge and education at any level should be fairly cheaply available to all.

    What Harvard, or even USC, is able to sell at high price isn’t their actual “education”–which is generally no better than anyone else’s–but their name (brand) and some networking opportunities.

    Stuyvesant, can’t even sell that. No one cares where you went to high school. Much less does it have some super-secret cirriculum or magic teaching methods. The “scarcity” here consists entirely of going to a school where the other kids aren’t thugs or stoners, but all upward bound strivers so–hopefully–your kid stays motivated and stiving as well. And, of course, the classes proceed at a reasonable pace without disruption by a*holes.

    That parents have to have their kids jump through hoops just to get that–a decent learning environment–highlights the problem with these government schools.

    There’s no reason that every kid who wants to can’t be in a “selective” school. Let parents\teachers create whatever school that suits them. Then if some black kid isn’t smart enough to get into Peter Stuyvesant full of Chinese, he can go to Peter Stuyvesant-Black. Likewise there can be a Peter Stuyvesant-W, Peter Stuyvesant-J, Peter Stuyvesant-C, Peter Stuyvesant-I, Peter Stuyvesant-PR, Peter Stuyvesant-K, Peter Stuyvesant-D, Peter-Stuyvesant-M, or even Peter Stuyvesant-GoodWhite, Peter Stuyvesant-Deplorable, etc. etc. etc. As many as people want.

    It’s a pathetic reflection on our politics that we have these squabbles over a “scarce resource” which is not at it’s core–education–remotely scarce at all, but only scarce in practive because the goverment taxes your ass off, then pisses that away on a giant slow-working bureaucracy and provides your kids with a mediocre government school with no discipline where he has to go to school with thuggish nimrods.

  60. @bob sykes

    They only speak an Indo-European language, for the most part. Speaking a language doesn’t make one genetically similar to the original progenitors of said language. For example: Turks speak a Turkic language, but that doesn’t make them Turkic people from Mongolia. Egyptians speak Arabic, but that doesn’t make them Gulf Arabs.

    • Replies: @Numinous
  61. @Jack D

    I just wish future generations could be taught to write unambiguously. Then all their kids won’t have to pour over these stilted, confusing passages to filter out what may, or may not be, the correct interpretation.

    I spent a few minutes going over another question before I wrote this and my impression hasn’t changed. Yes, you have to know your grammar and all, but you also have to have immersed yourself in boring articles and the passive voice or it’s all going to look like mush to a 15 year old brain.

  62. This obsessive focus on the imagined supremacy of a small minority reminds me of all the people here who blame the Jews for European countries’ suicidal immigration policies.

    • Agree: Dtbb
    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @jbwilson24
  63. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jack D

    One of the jobs I worked involved visiting a Detroit inner city school just before the start of the school year. I was greeted by, and took care to avoid running over, a gazillion rich well-educated white and Asian children of staff from a major local financial firm, wearing themed shirts identifying them as I guess company relatives. They had (or had been) volunteered to come out to the school, and do cleaning and furniture moving to help set it up. I don’t think there’s a more egregious contrast between claimed entitlement and bending over backwards to accommodate fake grievance than happens with American blacks. It’s all so tiresome, and enough to make you look forward to the Chinese century.

  64. @Anon

    It was visiting Atlanta pitcher John Rocker, who was famously less than thrilled by the cultural diversity he saw riding the 7 out to Shea.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  65. Anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    So, essentially a bait-and-switch. Whites/Jews want to reduce the number of Asians at Stuyvesant and add more whites. They cite low black numbers as pretext to argue for a more ‘holistic’ approach.
    The proposed approach will add more blacks but also more whites/Jews. The Harvard Way.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  66. Daniel H says:
    @J.Ross

    That’s why comments have got to go. Lawless 4chan after Christchurch is considering a scheme where visitors will have to buy an account and log in to start a thread or reply to one

    Well, isn’t that why the nerds started 8chan? And if 8chan goes, some nerd will come up with 16chan, and on and on and on.

    You’ve lost control, for now, pal. Face it. Blame Al Gore for inventing this internet thing.

  67. J.Ross says: • Website
    @BigDickNick

    You improved a standard deviation, you didn’t improve twenty.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  68. @jill

    ROTC is probably not lagging far behind 😉

    But, if it’s any comfort, there are quality, disciplined kids coming through. Despite all odds. Was talking to a future officer today, and I felt such a wuss.

  69. I’ve said it before: it’s the End of History and the Last White Man thesis. Humankind will only be free and equal once the last white man departs the earth. Well, the world may remain traumatized by the memory of the white man’s existence for a few generations more, so it will probably be a good idea to destroy all the pics and vids of him and to criminalize possession of them, but in the long run sweet liberation awaits.

  70. Imran Khan certainly has an odd background for an Islamic fundamentalist leader, being an Oxford University graduate, world- famous international cricketer and playboy who married an aristocratic English girl, Jemima Goldsmith, half his age who had been a close friend of Princess Diana and converted to Islam.

    (After two sons and 9 years of marriage she could not take his political life any more and after the divorce she returned to the UK, where at one point she became the girlfriend of actor Hugh Grant.)

  71. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    No. The De Blasio plan is strictly to increase the # of blacks and Hispanics by using a “top X%” type scheme. You send the t0p X% from each elementary school which means that you get the “top” black kids from ghetto schools. Never mind that the top black from a ghetto school is below the lowest kid in a white or Asian school.

  72. Anon[220] • Disclaimer says:

    One thing I like about Twitter is that hitherto inaccessible, media ivory tower types inadvertently expose themselves as mere mortals. Haberman did a quick virtue signalling tweet that in effect contained a mistake, but she can’t admit that (to Nazis) so she continued to respond with what was obviously on-the-fly rear action backfill, which dug her in further and further.

    This instinct to make stuff up on the fly rather than shutting up is what cops, prosecutors, and cross-examining trial attorneys depend on to nail their prey.

  73. NYMOM says:

    “In addition to expanding the program to 20 percent of seats at each specialized high school, the mayor said the city would adjust the eligibility criteria so that only students in high-poverty schools at or above 60 percent on the city’s economic need index would receive offers through Discovery.”

    I read somewhere that when a school hits the 30% minority enrollment it starts going downhill…if this is true by the time DeBlasio leaves office most of these schools should be on the downward slide…which was exactly what was happening at Bronx Science and Brooklyn Tech by the way before Asians started applying in large numbers and getting accepted. Asians actually saved those schools as their Jewish population began abandoning them…probably many Jews just got fed up with the constant criticism of them being the majority at these schools and started send the next generation of kids to private or Yeshivas…whose numbers now compete with the Charter schools…

    Now, of course, DeBlasio is out to destroy the Yeshivas…

    That’s his next project…trying to see if he can force all those Jewish kids back into the public school system in NY…Good luck with that…

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @peterike
    , @Mr McKenna
  74. @res

    The city announced last year the expansion of its Discovery Program, which aims to have 20 percent of seats at each specialized high school reserved for students in the program

    IDK, it sounds like a quota system. They’re playing with it a bit so it won’t be obvious to SJW types, but you can bet the Asian students at Stuy & Bronx Science will be able to figure it out in, oh, I don’t know, a second or two. And they’ll all know worthy classmates who didn’t make the cut thanks to the quota system. And they’ll immediately know that the black & latino students aren’t worthy, even though we all know a tiny percentage of them actually are. The ones from Ghana & Kenya.

    A nightmare scenario, but very much a Current Year artifact.

  75. She just wants to keep White People out of Stuyvesant. Asian Supremacy is a good thing.

  76. @J.Ross

    Yep, they’re hitting free speech pretty hard after this one. Odd that this option never occurs to them after the various massacres by nonwhites.

  77. @Anon

    Make them commit in a way that forces them to tell the truth or look like idiots in front of their peers.

    Which is why we work so hard to change what their peers think of as idiocy.
    Not to mention integrity.

    Make them choose between looking like an idiot or saying something mildly un-PC.

    The Dilemma of Our Age.

  78. @Jack D

    Being top 10% in a ghetto school means that you can do addition and subtraction without using your fingers. They will be completely lost among the Chinese calculus whizzes.

    Sadly accurate, and it will be positively tragic once the students are in the same classes. The humiliations that will be visited upon the black and latino students as they try to keep up will be far crueler than what the SJW types accuse us of.

    So the solution will be–what, separate classes? Dumbing down the entire curriculum? Either way you’re doing away with the purpose and function of elite schools. And actively damaging your best students. This won’t be pretty.

    • Replies: @res
    , @J.Ross
  79. @KL

    “American journalists don’t take advanced STEM classes to see the diversity. In addition to white Americans (Jews and Gentiles), there are white immigrants from Russia, Eastern Europe, and Turkey.”

    Where would these classes be? In the schools that I have access to, the student body is 95% Chinese. A few Indians, some Iranians, but no white males anymore.

    • Replies: @KL
  80. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    No one cares where you went to high school.

    You are not from St. Louis, are you? In that town that is ALL they care about.

  81. @International Jew

    “This obsessive focus on the imagined supremacy of a small minority reminds me of all the people here who blame the Jews for European countries’ suicidal immigration policies.”

    An, an argument by analogy? A clumsy one.

    In the school situation, since it is fact that whites are not a majority, it cannot be white privilege keeping blacks out.

    What follows from this by analogy? That Jews (being a small minority) do not have enough power and influence to sway European immigration policy?

    You must be retarded, to come up with such a crappy argument. You can’t take two widely disparate situations and treat them by an analogy. You have to look at the particular facts in each situation.

    Simply put, there is a mountain of evidence for massive Jewish involvement in flooding in third worlders into Europe. (In Sweden, David Schwartz, the Bonniers, the Aschbergs, etc… in the UK, Barbara Roche, the Milibands, etc etc).

    You seem like a low IQ individual.

  82. @Anon

    “Khan is from an ethnicity called the Burki. They are an endagomous of Yemeni origin and arrived during the Islamic invasion of India.”

    Khan’s mum is, to be exact, Dad’s Niazi. That’s one theory (AFAIK based on a report by a Brit in 1838 – got anything more recent?), another (from a later Brit) is that they were already there when Alexander arrived.

    “In Afghanistan though their true origin is not suspected, the Baraki are a distinct people. The Baraki pretend descent from the Arab invaders, but this is a conceit of their conversion to Islam. They are a fine, tall and active people, with fairer complexions than the generality of Afghans, and are held in consideration as a respectable people. “

    The same author also says they may have been originally from the Greek colony of Barke in Libya, captured and enslaved by the Persians in 500 BC.

    Herodotus: “the Barkaians whom they had enslaved, they transported from Egypt to the king ; and king Darius gave them a village in Baktria to dwell in. They gave then the name of Barke to this village, which was still inhabited in my time in the Baktrian territory.”

    https://www.jatland.com/home/Burki

    Jatland is a great site for this sort of thing.

    Why hasn’t DNA testing resolved all these questions? I remember a Spectator-sponsored expedition some 15 years ago to find if the blue and green-eyed Afghans were descendants of Alexander’s people – never heard anything more about it.

    If they want a diverse Bond, Imran Khan would be perfect for the role.

    • Replies: @Truth
  83. @Jack D

    “Maggie isn’t dumb”

    You may remember Maggie Haberman as the reporter who was singled out in Wikileak-ed emails as being the Dem’s most reliable sock puppet (a title for which there is a LOT of competition).

    Here she is being literally led by a rope in public by the Clinton staff.

    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/44903#efmAaSAa2Aa8AbLAbtAc6AfMAgd

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/9834/wikileaks-outs-nyt-maggie-haberman-clinton-john-nolte

    https://theintercept.com/2016/10/09/exclusive-new-email-leak-reveals-clinton-campaigns-cozy-press-relationship/

    So she is very “dumb” in the archaic sense of not having her own words.

    Is she stupid though? Well, her kind of professional sock puppetry seems to pay pretty well … FWIW.

  84. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Jack D

    This is like how Henry Lamb gets portrayed as an honor roll student in Bonfire of the Vanities.

  85. Jack D says:
    @NYMOM

    most of these schools should be on the downward slide…which was exactly what was happening at Bronx Science and Brooklyn Tech by the way before Asians started applying in large numbers and getting accepted. Asians actually saved those schools as their Jewish population began abandoning them…

    As I mention elsewhere, this is exactly what happened to Girls’ High in Philadelphia. The school is now largely black and the numbers are about what you would expect from a largely black school.

    Both the Bronx and Brooklyn were largely non-white and if the Asians hadn’t showed up these schools would have become like the other schools in those areas, which once produced Jewish Nobel Prize winners but now produce ghetto thugs. For example, this was the fate of Erasmus Hall High School in Flatbush.

    probably many Jews just got fed up with the constant criticism of them being the majority at these schools and started send the next generation of kids to private or Yeshivas…whose numbers now compete with the Charter schools…

    No, what happened is that NYC ran out of non-Orthodox Jewish children. NYC ran out of white people in general and it was lucky that it got some Asians to replace them – the alternative would have been much worse.

    • Replies: @Ed
  86. Benjaminl says:
    @Jack D

    The “Top 10% from every feeder school” approach has been used by the University of Texas system for a long time.

    One study claims it works great.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3579572/

    However, I’m not sure if they account for the effects of lower-IQ students “sorting” themselves into easier majors; grade inflation; etc. etc. Maybe the top 10% from lower-ranked high schools are more conscientious and diligent than the higher-scoring students they displace.

  87. AndrewR says:
    @J.Ross

    I don’t think you understand standard deviations

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  88. Truth says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    If they want a diverse Bond, Imran Khan would be perfect for the role.

    The theatre turnstyles would come off their hinges for that one.

  89. res says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Sadly accurate, and it will be positively tragic once the students are in the same classes. The humiliations that will be visited upon the black and latino students as they try to keep up will be far crueler than what the SJW types accuse us of.

    And most likely their reactions to those humiliations will be even crueler.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  90. George says:

    For anyone interested, this is the admissions page for Hunter HS, which accepts 170 7th graders a year.

    https://www.hunterschools.org/admissions/admissions-welcome

    I browsed the math portion and it appears to be more of an IQ test rather than the Specialized HS test for Stuyvesant which was more of a basic algebra test.

    Back in the day if I remember right Hunter had more of a college entry type admissions with recommendations from HS teachers, JHS grades and an interview. I personally did not get offered an interview possibly because I was not recommended by a teacher.

    Edward R Murrow had some sort of experimental program that was highly regarded, I was not offered an interview. I did not see much of an application process on their web site although they have a specialized program that may be what I am remembering.

  91. George says:

    US News rates Stuy High as number 10 in NYC. Hunter does not seem to be ranked.

    https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/new-york/districts/new-york-city-public-schools-100001

    An interesting ranking exercise might be to rank High Schools and universities by their graduating classes success rate 10 15 and 20 years ago. Maybe using IRS data.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  92. CCZ says:

    Black and African immigrant entitlement in New York.

    March 19 (UPI) — A Manhattan judge sentenced a New York woman to probation and community service for climbing the Statue of Liberty’s pedestal in July to protest President Donald Trump’s immigration policies.

    The judge sentenced Therese Patricia Okoumou, 45, to five years of probation and 200 hours of community service for the protest on the Fourth of July.

    Okoumou appeared in court with clear tape wrapped around her face, a metaphor, her friend told the New York Daily News, for the suppression of free speech.

    Manhattan Federal Court Magistrate Gabriel Gorenstein told Okoumou to take off the tape to proceed with the hearing.

    “She did not climb the Statue of Liberty to rescue a child who was in danger,” Gorenstein said Tuesday. “The law that prevents people from climbing the Statue of Liberty is not unjust.

    Speaking to reporters after the sentencing, Okoumou’s lawyer, Ron Kuby, said he wouldn’t rule out similar stunts in the future.

    “I’m happy I’m not in prison or I’m in jail,” Okoumou said. I “refuse to go to prison because I’m not a criminal.”

  93. Numinous says:
    @greysquirrell

    Doesn’t make you Yamnaya either!

  94. Ed says:
    @Jack D

    Similar to elite public schools in Baltimore which are no longer elite. The average SAT scores are at the college benchmark level of about 1100 combined. Elite in terms of blacks, the school is about 70-80% black, but middle of the road for everyone else.

    The SHSAT is used nationwide, Catholic schools use it. It’s not unique to NYC. The only uniqueness is that state laws protect three of the schools from liberal activists who want to water down the schools. Must say what a remarkable bit of foresight by NYers in the 70s.

    • Replies: @res
  95. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Mr McKenna

    They tried that under Obama, it was one of the things that most angered me out of all of Obama’s crimes because it’s so utterly heartless: they were going to either collapse ghetto school gifted programs or set black quotas, no more physically safe space for poor whites and Chinese, who actually know how to read and want to study, to avoid beatings.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  96. res says:
    @Ed

    I did not know the SHSAT was used nationwide. Thanks. Do you know of good resources for things like score distributions for the SHSAT or student grades compared to scores?

    I ran across the following article while trying to answer my own question. It is one of the more informative pieces I have seen, but I would bet a great deal of money that the statistics have been cherry picked and massaged thoroughly.
    https://www.chalkbeat.org/posts/ny/2018/06/22/ive-spent-years-studying-the-link-between-shsat-scores-and-student-success-the-test-doesnt-tell-you-as-much-as-you-might-think/

    But at Brooklyn Technical High School, the performance of the 35 Discovery Program students was equal to that of other students. Freshman year grade point averages for the two groups were essentially identical: 86.6 versus 86.7.

    My research leads me to believe that it might be reasonable to admit a certain percentage of the students with extremely high SHSAT scores — over 600, where the exam is a good predictor —and admit the remainder using a combined index of seventh grade GPA and SHSAT scores.

    When I used that formula to simulate admissions, diversity increased, somewhat. An additional 40 black students, 209 Hispanic students, and 205 white students would have been admitted, as well as an additional 716 girls. It’s worth pointing out that in my simulation, Asian students would still constitute the largest segment of students (49 percent) and would be admitted in numbers far exceeding their proportion of applicants.

    It is not clear to me if that last paragraph is assuming constant total number admitted or not. I think not, which means the important question is how those numbers compare to the corresponding numbers for the displaced applicants.

    So much BS swirling around this topic. It is frustrating that black whining seems to be the primary reason we can’t have honest conversations about topics like this.

    • Replies: @Ed
    , @Mr McKenna
  97. peterike says:
    @NYMOM

    if this is true by the time DeBlasio leaves office most of these schools should be on the downward slide… Now, of course, DeBlasio is out to destroy the Yeshivas…

    It’s really difficult to comprehend how much DeBlasio is (1) an absolute imbecile and (2) a genuinely rotten, evil man. One of the vilest blots on the political landscape. Though in New York City and State he’s got plenty of competition.

  98. 18% of Stuyvesant student body is white , but most of them are non-Christian….less than 4% of the students are White Protestants.

  99. Ed says:
    @res

    At some point you run out of Asians if they’re mostly concentrated at the right of the distribution. Getting 50 black students out of 1000 will get you to 5%. Folks would still complain about that.

    I should also be clearer. The SHSAT used in NYC is unique to NYC but other schools across the nation including Thomas Jefferson in Fairfax, VA and Catholic HS use a variation of it. They just tweak certain areas of the test.

  100. J.Ross says: • Website
    @AndrewR

    Granting that,* can test prep courses, assuming that Charles Murray is competely wrong about them, replace basic study and topic familiarity? If they can, then they can only do so by taking on the additional task of elementary teaching. Insofar as they work, they work for students who are already well on their way.
    *Sometimes 6 looks like twenty.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  101. @J.Ross

    Oh man. “You study algebra your way, we study it ours! –oops!”

    Was that white kid sent to prison or just a re-education camp?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  102. AndrewR says:
    @J.Ross

    Before I took the ASVAB, I studied hard for it. I knew almost nothing of automobiles before but learned enough to get a perfect score on that section of the test, along with every other section.

    The SAT/ACT is a different beast. But doing well on tests isn’t simply knowing the material. Test-taking is itself a skill that can be honed.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  103. @res

    So much BS swirling around this topic.

    Sure seems that way. The author of that article disparages the test–and offers a couple of arguments in support–but doesn’t seem even remotely critical of using GPAs almost to the exclusion of all else. Anyone who’s taught in the past few decades knows there is overwhelming institutional pressure from above to inflate the grades of NAM students. I wouldn’t even dare fail one, and I’m not proud of that. Just gave them Ds.

    (From the article)

    ‘There are certainly other potential criteria, such as artistic achievement or citizenship.’

    SMH at that one, and I wonder if he should choose a different word for ‘citizenship’ since I believe he means a fairly obsolete definition. But I’m not sure. Either way, let’s have him measure those two ‘metrics’.

    (from the comments)

    “It’s nice to know that GPA at highly competitive middle schools is a good predictor of GPA at highly competitive high schools, but the real question is if GPA at less competitive middle schools are similarly predictive.”

    • Replies: @Jack D
  104. @NYMOM

    DeBlasio is out to destroy the Yeshivas

    First I’ve heard of that. But then I no longer keep up with NYC politics so much.

    https://nypost.com/2017/09/07/critics-claim-de-blasio-is-stalling-yeshiva-school-probe/

    I do hope that no one here would maintain that these yeshivas are providing much beyond religious indoctrination.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  105. J.Ross says: • Website
    @AndrewR

    This is getting into the weeds. The thirst of one horse cannot affect the proximity of another horse to all the fresh water in the world.
    Can black educational underperformance be explained by lack of access to test preparation services? No.
    If black folk went all drumline on the major proxy college entrance tests, would that solve their educational problems? No.
    Would there be more black representation at Stuyvesant if we got them some money for Kumon? Probably not; but maybe there would be some negligible gain.
    If blacks took seriously the educational resources they already have, if they studied like Chinese, not only would they appear more at Stuyvesant, but it would no longer be as much of a big deal to go there.
    A lower-IQ person can learn every single datum known by a high-IQ person, but not in the same time frame, and only with work.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  106. Imran Khan also strongly resembles actor Stephen Rea.

  107. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Mr McKenna

    I also was unable to find anything recent. Apparently years ago de Blasio announced he would go after Jewish schools on the grounds that they were not teaching general subjecs anf

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  108. J.Ross says: • Website
    @J.Ross

    It’s not letting me edit it (what the hell?) but the point is De Blasio Versus Yeshivot was either a non-story or it got bogged down years ago in the process of itself. I don’t know that I would accept De Blasio’s charge that Jewish parochial education abdicates massive amounts of general knowledge, which caused one of the sanhedrin to point out how much general knowledge education he got in New York Public schools: about one class a day. It’s not clear if this was sarcasm, the result of a special exception which would defeat moving Orthodox kids into the public system, or some egregious but non-representative problem from New York’s dysfunctional 70s and 80s.

  109. AndrewR says:
    @Mr McKenna

    He’s lucky she didn’t land right on his head. Ow.

  110. @Oswald Spengler

    Yes — thanks for making that connection. My brain was trying, but couldn’t quite put the two together.

  111. res says:

    The study linked in this article has a good look at how the SHSAT correlates with other student metrics: https://chalkbeat.org/posts/ny/2018/08/03/new-york-city-released-its-study-of-the-shsat-heres-why-it-wont-end-the-admissions-debate/

    The study, which was completed in 2013 and obtained by Chalkbeat through a public records request, found that the high-stakes Specialized High School Admissions Test, or SHSAT, has a “strong positive predictive relationship” with student achievement during the first two years of high school, measured by grades, scores on AP tests, and Regents exams.

    The education department has previously declined to release the report, which was commissioned in response to a civil rights complaint lodged by the NAACP and completed in 2013, before de Blasio took office the following year.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  112. KL says:
    @jbwilson24

    “In the schools that I have access to, the student body is 95% Chinese.”

    There are around 1 million international students out of around 15 million U.S. college students. Chinese enrollment has boomed in the past decade, but declined slightly under Trump.

    International students are concentrated in STEM masters program in metropolitan areas. A masters in Information Technology at Berkeley might be almost all Chinese, but rural, Midwestern undergrad programs are overwhelmingly American.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  113. Jack D says:
    @George

    The US News rankings for high schools are worthless. The criteria are meaningless or wrongheaded. For example, their #2 criteria is “Underserved students performed better than the state average.”‘
    Now maybe this is a good and noble goal, but it has nothing to do with whether your school is the “best”.

    There is no widely accepted method of ranking high schools the way universities are ranked. Cutting edge research is not conducted in high schools. In most places, your student body is whoever lives in the district so you can’t go by admission test scores. There are no experts who know all the high schools in the US and can rank them.

    Whatever weights and criteria US News applied came up with the wrong results – no one who has any real familiarity with the NY City school system would rank them in the way that US News did.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  114. Jack D says:
    @res

    The test is valid and predictive? We had better suppress this information because it does not fit our agenda. This is the kind of stuff that goes on in Communist countries. Sometimes I can’t believe we are living in the US anymore.

    • Agree: res
  115. Jack D says:
    @J.Ross

    The point is that there can never be any acceptance of responsibility by blacks. That the Gap is in part genetic and unalterable is certainly beyond the pale. But beyond that, the causes are always external and not the result of things that blacks have any control of or responsibility to fix on their own. The kids are being poisoned by lead. Not enough resources are being made available to them. It is always something that is being done TO them or being withheld FROM them by whitey and the solution is always more gibmedats and “programs” to provide for free that which is supposedly missing. Except after providing these things, nothing improves – oops sorry we wasted the $ but we meant well. But now we have to search for the “real” cause and create a program to fix that.

  116. Jack D says:
    @Mr McKenna

    In the college admissions context, I believe that it’s widely understood that grades + SAT scores is more predictive than either measure alone. I would have no objection to NYC using both. However, when you start throwing in crap like artistic ability, personality and good citizenship it’s clear that you aren’t really interested in ranking academic ability anymore – theses criteria are so subjective that they are subject to abuse. In fact they are INTENDED to be abused and to provide window dressing for race discrimination – their entire history and reason for use in admissions has ALWAYS been to achieve “ethnic” balancing – first to reduce the # of Jews, then to increase the # of blacks, then to reduce the # of Asians. In countries without ethnic “problems” such measures are never used or even thought of. Anyone with half a brain could see that they would be abused in the NY City school context in order to admit more blacks who would be less qualified than the student body under the old system.

    • Replies: @res
  117. res says:
    @Jack D

    I would have no objection to NYC using both.

    Although I kind of agree with you, here I think we are both being naive. Using grades as well would clearly be the thin edge of the wedge. First would come the total debasement of the predictive value (between races) of grades. After that still proved not to be enough they would move onto the other factors you mention since the firewall of “test only” admissions was gone.

    I also think Mr McKenna nailed it with his concluding comment excerpt. In particular: “but the real question is if GPA at less competitive middle schools are similarly predictive.” (my answer would be: probably, as long as you include a variable for school quality, and would probably need an interaction term for that and GPA as well, but how likely would doing both of those be?).

    P.S. I tend to oscillate between naivete and cynicism. I think “frustrated idealist” is a good description.

  118. @Known Fact

    Ha! Rocker was a boss about that. I remember it all. In those days Atlanta was still part of what was left of America; it had not gone full-retard (Atlanta is now solidly blue, and Georgia, like Florida, purple at best – cancers metasticise quickly). The national media treated it all like a shameful scandal and waited on tenterhooks for the castigations, consequences, and clucking from his employers and fans. Ted Turncuck’s people in management suspended Rocker for Saying the Truth (even in those halcyon days, HR Ladies gonna HR…), but, importantly, the people of Atlanta, the fans and casual observers of the news, mostly did not understand why it was news. New York is a polyglot shithole. Those of us who’d been knew, and those who hadn’t knew, too, just as we all know the moon is cold and barren. The guy was being harangued for saying “the sky is blue,” and we didn’t see the fuss.

    A similar thing happened when Michael Vick was allowed to play football again. I don’t think he ever had a snowball’s chance in Hell of returning to play for the Falcons; friends of mine who follow sportsball pointed out that the backlash would be too great for the franchise, since unlike many other markets, Georgia still (then) was dominated enough by normal Americans who would not put up with being asked to root for some asshole who tortures dogs.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  119. @Jack D

    True, but it’s worth noting that their college rankings also factor in “Diversity” which penalizes those schools which have trouble attracting enough NAM POCs.

    • Replies: @res
  120. @Autochthon

    Concern for animal welfare isn’t exactly a Third World feature.

  121. @KL

    There are around 1 million international students out of around 15 million U.S. college students.

    “International Students” AKA people about to overstay their visas.

    • Agree: Autochthon
  122. KL says:

    Today’s NYTimes has a story about Stuyvesant’s 29 minority students. Of seven “black” students interviewed, one was half Spanish, one was half Korean, and the remainder were immigrants or children of immigrants (Dominican Republic, Nigeria, Eritrea, Puerto Rico, Kenya).

  123. res says:
    @Mr McKenna

    it’s worth noting that their college rankings also factor in “Diversity”

    I have heard that, but to what degree is it really true? Looking at the stated US News ranking criteria for 2019 I see nothing for ethnic diversity and only 5% for economic diversity based on Pell Grant graduation rates (I have no idea how good a metric that is).
    https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/ranking-criteria-and-weights

    But then I read this article: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/405861-top-college-rankings-list-revamps-criteria-to-prioritize-economic
    and see this:

    Morse told Politico that 13 percent of a school’s rank this year depends on its economic diversity, a significant uptick from previous years.

    A closer reading of the first link makes me speculate that they are incorporating economic diversity (by class composition comparisons) into the 8% devoted to that, but no idea if I am right.

    Here is how they calculate ethnic diversity: https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/campus-ethnic-diversity-methodology
    But I don’t see anywhere that is directly incorporated into the rankings. Possibly it appears in numerical tweaks that don’t even make the fine print?
    And note that they appear to calculate at least a somewhat realistic diversity rather than “diversity.” HBCUs tend to score low on their metric.

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