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From The Guardian:

Museum art collections are very male and very white

A large-scale study found just 12% of the artists in US museums were women – and figures from the UK tell a similar tale

Mona Chalabi

Tue 21 May 2019 01.00 EDT Last modified on Tue 21 May 2019 01.02 EDT

… The US study looked at race and ethnicity as well as gender. The researchers found that 75% of all the artists in major US museums are white men.

I suspect that understates white male dominance by counting each artist with at least one painting in the collection. But if you counted paintings in the permanent collections that are currently hanging on the walls of major museums, perhaps, say, 95% were painted by white men. For example, if I Google

Metropolitan Museum of art most famous paintings

I see about 100 paintings that are indeed famous, and five are by women (two by Mary Cassatt, and one each by Georgia O’Keeffe, Rosa Bonheur, and Artemisia Gentileschi)

But Asian men were even more overrepresented; they make up 8% of all the artists in US major collections, a proportion more than double their share of the population.

Huh … Really? Who? There’s, like, the Chinese guy and the Japanese guy … and that other Japanese guy…

The worst represented group in the US art world are women of color. We make up just 1% of all of the artists in major collections despite the fact that we account for 20% of the US population.

“We”? … OK, you go, girl!

A Chalabi just can’t get an even break in the U.S.

 
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  1. Anon[222] • Disclaimer says:

    If an American news outlet had written this article, they wouldn’t have included this statistic on Asians being overrepresented.

    We do PC so much better on this side of the Atlantic. In comparison to us, the Brits are clumsy amateurs.

  2. Well, Women Of Color are too busy being single mothers to be Artists. Unless we’re talking about Sandwich Artists.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @Olorin
  3. @Anon

    “America! F*** yeah!”

  4. Paul says:

    The science museums are even worse. Where are the depictions of the great black women scientists (I can’t think of their names offhand) in the science museums?

  5. Chewie111 says:

    “The researchers found that 75% of all the artists in major US museums are white men.”

    Can somebody remind these dolts that white people were 90% of this countries population for the greater part of 80% of its existence?

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    , @istevefan
    , @istevefan
  6. It’s our fault for never having elevated fertility dolls with grossly enlarged genitalia to high art status.

    • Replies: @Simon Tugmutton
    , @Wilkey
  7. MC says:

    “A Chalabi just can’t get an even break in the U.S.”

    LOL, “Only 2000s Kids Will Remember.”

    • Replies: @El Dato
  8. The worst represented group in the US art world are women of color.

    If there were a Museum of Elaborate Hair, they’d dominate!

    But there isn’t so they don’t.

  9. Anon[520] • Disclaimer says:

    I just discovered that Neil Young wrote a song in 2006 called “Let’s Impeach the President for Lying.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let%27s_Impeach_the_President

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @95Theses
  10. White = Bad
    Male = Bad

    White + Male = Bad^2

    • Replies: @Tipsy
    , @Don't Look at Me
  11. The art world does react to identity questions. Those are of the highest importance. So Mona Chalabi and the Guardian are at it, no doubt.

    For example, there is a big show of black artist Jack Whitten’s paintings in the Hamburger Bahnhof in Berlin. – Nobody would have cared much a few decades back, because the prime-color fixated Whitten would have been looked upon as – a minor artist. But things change – and rapidly so. The Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung now held that this Whitten show of hardly interesting abstract paintings of lowly decorative quality would be – the ” exhibition of the year”!

    https://www.smb.museum/museen-und-einrichtungen/hamburger-bahnhof/ausstellungen/detail/jack-whitten-jacks-jacks.html

  12. @Oleaginous Outrager

    If there were a Museum of Elaborate Hair, they’d dominate!

    But there isn’t so they don’t.

    I wouldn’t mind seeing this injustice being solved.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  13. @Dieter Kief

    Well, there is Great Blacks in Wax, so that’s something.

    And we did have Basquiat for awhile, who did some compelling work, and was good material for a movie, but I can’t think of anyone else offhand.

    • Replies: @black sea
  14. Anon[520] • Disclaimer says:

    I think that art collectors and patrons are also predominantly white and male. There needs to be an annual art assets tax to raise money that the government would use to acquire art from intersectional artists, and a legal wall space quota to compel museums to use 80 percent of their exhibition space for intersectional art. Many whites with implicit bias will not go to the museums, so there needs to be an annual penalty tax on citizens who have not accumulated enough qualifying museum ticket receipts. And the resale of museum ticket receipts needs to be made a felony.

    • LOL: Alfa158
    • Replies: @bomag
    , @Alfa158
  15. Does trying to take over a whole civilization that is thousands of years old count as cultural appropriation?

  16. tyrone says:

    I once did an art show with a lady art professor (white) from an HBCU…….unsolicited quote :”they’re not that talented …..true story.

  17. Andrew says:

    In unrelated news, how come all of a sudden I can’t get to Takimag? Just produces a blank page. With 2 different browsers. Winter’s Bone was on TV; was just curious what Sailer’s original film review said of that one. This is the kind of crap that makes me live that old bumper sticker, “Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you” in today’s day and age with leftist Big Tech.

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @Simon Tugmutton
    , @riches
  18. The art world is dominated by the daughters of rich men.

    • Replies: @Mom
    , @SunBakedSuburb
  19. bomag says:
    @Anon

    I wanted to LOL this comment, then I realized it captured the vibe of the affirmative action art world of today.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  20. black sea says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Robert Hughes’ memorable analysis of Basquiat’s place in New York’s Art Scene of 30 years ago, Requiem for a Featherweight.

    If the art world has changed since then, it’s only to go more transparently “show-biz,” though I think now fewer people even pretend to care. But I guess as longer as the collectors care, that’s good enough.

    https://newrepublic.com/article/105858/hughes-basquiat-new-york-new-wave

  21. Gordo says:

    How cunning of the Grauniad not to mention that many of the White Male artists were also GAF.

  22. Wilkey says:
    @South Texas Guy

    It’s our fault for never having elevated fertility dolls with grossly enlarged genitalia to high art status.

    Grossly enlarged? Those are accurate self-depictions. Or the ones I carved were, anyway.

    Visiting art museums is a (mostly) voluntary endeavor. Grade school students are occasionally dragged in against their will, and certain college students may have to visit for homework assignments, but if there isn’t shit worth seeing then people mostly won’t bother to visit. It’s the same reason you never hear about the fact that 99.5% of compositions performed by symphony orchestras, even the modern pop stuff, are written by white men. Those groups barely pay the bills as it is.

    Forcing museums to showcase works of artists based simply on their gender or race is a great way to shut down a lot of museums.

    • Replies: @njguy73
    , @SafeNow
    , @MBlanc46
  23. @Andrew

    Damn, you’re right. What will I do without The Week That Perished? Sundays will never be the same.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  24. @Anon

    You missed the memo, Azns are not diverse anymore.

  25. @Paul

    If you google “America scientists” there isn’t a white in the group, even Edison’s photo is darkened.

    • Replies: @CCZ
  26. RobUK says:

    You can’t get more philistine than believing the main factor in art’s worth is the intersectional identity of the artist.

  27. njguy73 says:
    @Wilkey

    The last time I was at the Museum of Modern Art was a few years ago when there was a Tim Burton exhibit.

    https://www.moma.org/calendar/exhibitions/313

    The place was packed with crowds who normally wouldn’t go there. I liked it, seeing the props and script notes from his movies. Then I saw the other pieces in the place and couldn’t stop laughing .

  28. Eventually, the Shalom Gamora champions from that Fake Aboriginals article will be able to unearth some hidden talent:

  29. El Dato says:
    @MC

    He was great at curveballs.

    And the song “Chalala buh bi, Chalala buh bye”.

    Anyway, with art being increasingly done by AI, what amazing goods will institutional, subtending inequality deliver next?

    CAN: Creative Adversarial Networks, Generating “Art” by Learning About Styles and Deviating from Style Norms

    We propose a new system for generating art. The system generates art by looking at art and learning about style; and becomes creative by increasing the arousal potential of the generated art by deviating from the learned styles. We build over Generative Adversarial Networks (GAN), which have shown the ability to learn to generate novel images simulating a given distribution. We argue that such networks are limited in their ability to generate creative products in their original design. We propose modifications to its objective to make it capable of generating creative art by maximizing deviation from established styles and minimizing deviation from art distribution. We conducted experiments to compare the response of human subjects to the generated art with their response to art created by artists. The results show that human subjects could not distinguish art generated by the proposed system from art generated by contemporary artists and shown in top art fairs. Human subjects even rated the generated images higher on various scales.

    A Monet Screensaver? It’s more likely than you think (well, it’s going to be a bit expensive on the electricity bill)

    • Replies: @dvorak
  30. Mom says:
    @Foreign Expert

    Is this true? It’s pretty interesting if so.

  31. Thirdtwin says:

    I just googled “American artists”, and more than half the pics are wypipo. Google, work your magic. I’m checking back in tomorrow. You’d better fix this.

    • Replies: @res
  32. @Anon

    the Brits are clumsy amateurs

    The “Brits.” Like Mona Chalabi.

  33. Ibound1 says:

    The British Museum was very progressive. They looted from everywhere. Mona should check out their Egyptian section and relax.

  34. @Paul

    Just make up some names and a narrative–bet some goodwhite curator would fall for it!

  35. dvorak says:
    @El Dato

    with art being increasingly done by AI

    Modern art had something that AI abstract art will never have: CIA front foundations creating a market for it and CIA-front magazines such as Life (plus the State Department) promoting it worldwide as the alternative to Communist art.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    , @MarcB.
  36. @Redneck farmer

    Oh, I thought they were just Associates … the women behind the sneeze bar at Subway, I mean. Wow, Sandwich Artists, who knew?

  37. @bomag

    To me, it captures the vibe of Socialism in general very well – cause a problem by interfering with freedom and the markets, try to fix it with new regulation, get more and newer problems, try to fix them with lots of more and more-detailed legislation, find out things really suck now and blame it on this nasty Capitalist System we live under.

    • Agree: fish
  38. @Simon Tugmutton

    Exhibit A: Kim Kardashian.

    Where’s the exhibit, that big natural history place in Central Park West? Are you required to donate?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  39. @Achmed E. Newman

    or, is she on consignment?

    (rimshot, anyone?)

  40. @Simon Tugmutton

    I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic, Simon. I haven’t read that column much, but I enjoy Jim Goad’s articles there and about 3 other writers. I hope it’s just an unintentional glitch.

    • Replies: @Simon Tugmutton
  41. The ‘diversequality’ scam in action:

    Our demographic differences means we are inherently different — ‘diversity’.

    But those differences shouldn’t affect demographic group outcomes — ‘equality’.

    Why are we to believe that we are inherently different, but should succeed as if there were no differences?

    • Replies: @Forbes
  42. Alfa158 says:
    @Chewie111

    No need to remind them, they know, and are working all out to correct the demographics. This is just one small part of the campaign.

  43. Ragno says:
    @Paul

    Where are the depictions of the great black women scientists in the science museums?

    Just you wait – they’re coming.

  44. The art market is a disgusting scam asset bubble inflated by the central banker shysters.

    Michelangelo’s David has the Irish Curse and hands suitable to throwing forkballs and splitters and curve balls. Bruce Sutter would have had 500 saves instead of 300 saves if he had had the hands of Michelangelo’s David.

    Broads and dames and dolls don’t know nothing about art. Women are art. Women create life which is more important than some dope named Michelangelo chipping away at marble.

    Broads and dames and dolls interested in art should major in Art History and have a big family. They can take great joy in teaching their wonderful creations called kids some art.

    That baby boomer dope Koons with his crappy art, and his mug that looks a lot like that rat mug of Updike, and his millions of smackers, is laughing all the way to the bank after taking advantage of the asset bubbles in the art market scam created by the central banker shysters. Don’t tell me this baby boomer scam artist Koons doesn’t understand how monetary extremism and financialization have driven the price of the crud in the art market through the frigging roof.

    Koons and the late Dennis Hopper understood the connection and intersection of monetary extremism and financialization and the art market scam almost as well as Kevin Phillips or any other bastard who knew what the central banker shysters have been cooking up over the last 4 or 5 decades.

  45. Alfa158 says:
    @Anon

    That was pretty funny, I admire the deadpan delivery. Too many people ruin sarcasm by going over the top or throwing in a wink and a nod to the audience.

  46. indocon says:

    is Mona Chalabi related to Akhmed Chalabi?

    • Replies: @res
  47. Bill H says: • Website

    We have now completely lost the distinction between opportunity and accomplishment.

    Equalness of opportunity is based on who they are.
    Equalness of outcome is based on what they can do.

    • Replies: @Forbes
  48. Anon7 says:

    No surprises here. After my kids went to college and came back (even though they are science and math majors), I learned quickly about why, for example, day care workers (mostly women) are paid less than hedge fund managers (mostly men). Bigotry. Yes, bigotry and prejudice.

    Why are there more men who are math professors? Bigotry and prejudice. Why are people who stay home to take care of children more likely to be female, and people who go to the moon are entirely male? Bigotry and prejudice. That’s it.

    Since there is no difference between men and women, and no difference in value to what each might choose, any differences are due to bigotry and prejudice.

    And that would be MALE bigotry and prejudice, of course. In spite of being no different, women are not bigoted and prejudiced. Except maybe Beckys, of course.

  49. @dvorak

    Modern art had something that AI abstract art will never have: CIA front foundations creating a market for it and CIA-front magazines such as Life (plus the State Department) promoting it worldwide as the alternative to Communist art.

    The spirit of the Virginia Company says The Company was interested in the dollar more than the representation of socialism. The Virginia Company says The Company has been run by treasonous rats such as Brennan and Donovan from the get-go. It’s time for the descendants of the Virginia Company to remove from power the treasonous rat scum in The Company.

    A company of nation-wrecking twats who function as the overseas schemers of the globalized plutocracy is what those bastards in The Company are.

    Modern art is an attack on the European Christian ancestral core of the United States and it has been promoted by the JEW/WASP ruling class of the United States because the JEW/WASP ruling class is evil.

    Modern art and modern architecture and modern just about everything modern is a rancid cultural attack on European Christians.

    Abstract art or modern art is just another way that the globalized plutocracy attacks and targets the spirits and souls of European Christians. The evil scum in The Company and the globalized plutocracy want a deracinated mass of undifferentiated consumers keeping the debt-based fiat currency scam and the globalization scam going. The Virginia Company says that globalization is a dodo bird.

    The Virginia Company says The Company pushes globalized plutocracy and transnationalism and financialization and mass legal immigration and illegal immigration and multicultural mayhem.

    The Virginia Company says The Company is a clear and present threat to the safety, security and sovereignty of the American people.

  50. Anon7 says:

    Mona Chalabi is a graduate of Sciences Po, aka École Libre des Sciences Politiques, which was founded in 1872 by Émile Boutmy. Another pale male! How can anything good come from this?

    She is the daughter of Iraqi immigrants and she is a data journalist, which seems to mean that she counts how many white guys are associated with something and cries “Foul!” if there are too many. For this she went to college.

    Why is the Count a pale (purple) male? I’m afraid we all know the answer.

  51. Mona Chalabi and her friends are looking at it backwards. Why is there any art in our museums that wasn’t created by white males? It’s because there were white males in the past who were open-minded enough to include art by women and non-whites. And how are those open-minded white males now viewed? Why, they are thought of as racist, as sexist, as orientalists, etc, because they don’t live up to today’s standards.

    Since you are bound to be viewed as a reactionary in the future no matter how open-minded you are today, why bother being open-minded?

  52. There have been some good female artists, but I don’t know of any really top-notch black artists. The best one I’ve heard of was Matt Baker, a comic book artist who was around in the 40s and 50s. He specialized in drawing sexy white women.

    He appears to have been about as black as Harry Belafonte. He was a good artist, but no Wally Wood.

  53. It is fascinating to see how a strange confluence of events will allow a small segment of the world’s population to dominate some sort of creative endeavor for a period of time.

    Examples:

    About 1000 years ago, mesoamericans were light years ahead of the rest of the world in astronomy and architecture. Meanwhile, the Chinese were transitioning from a dynasty which produced some of the greatest paintings ever painted to a dynasty with some of the greatest poetry of all time.

    And then it all ended. The Chinese were the most advanced civilization the world had known until the Manchus ended the Ming Dynasty in the 1600s. The Mesoamerican civilizations were already past their prime when the Spanish invaded.

    Around the time of fall of China, suddenly the arts and sciences took off in the West.

    It is even more interesting to see how in a few cases, minuscule segments of the world’s population took over certain creative endeavors.

    At one point Germans dominated science, with German Jews dominating physics. German Jews were but a small fraction of a percent of the world’s population.

    For over a century, the greatest force in popular music has been the American Negro, making up about 0.6% of the world’s population.

    And, for a few hundred years the art world was dominated by white men.

  54. @Achmed E. Newman

    No sarcasm intended. JG (PBUH) and Dalrymple and of course our excellent host are the best writers there. Maybe Cole on a good day.

    PS Just checked and it’s back. Phew!

  55. and the Japanese guy … and that other Japanese guy…

    Hey! Don’t forget that other other Japanese guy:

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @El Dato
  56. What this shows me is we really need separate countries, and not just two.

    Such a thing would not be easy to implement even with a general agreement, due to questions of what is a fair partition of arable land etc.

    But I still think we should consider the possibility for a peaceful dissolution of the USA.

    Unlike the USSR, there’s no easy way simply to declare it. But there would not be a single historically aggressive republic analogous to Russia, either.

  57. @Oleaginous Outrager

    Why don’t “women of color” simply produce some art, then open a museum? Seems that would go further towards solving the “problem” than simply whining and complaining.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  58. Once upon a time, there were fewer modern conveniences, forcing most women to spend far more time on ordinary chores, not to mention the larger quantity of children that they produced and actually raised. This was before low-wage daycare workers started raising their kids for them so that they could play at working in voted-best-for-moms call centers and in absenteeism-friendly, family-friendly corporate & government back offices.

    Some wealthy women, like the artist Berthe Morisot, escaped enough of the obligatory household labor to produce some high-caliber art. Manet, the famed bad-white-man Early Impressionist, painted countless, empathetic portraits of his fellow female Impressionist and of other affluent females who dabbled in art without producing much Morisot-grade fare. Bad, white Man-et even painted portraits of amateur female painters at their easels on occasion.

    Manet’s use of flat black provides a rare opportunity to use black frames without calling too much attention away from the artwork via tonal inaccuracy. I wouldn’t on this portrait of Morisot, though, since it would close off the image.

    Here is an article about the daughter of Morisot and Manet’s brother. The daughter was an artist, mingling with the greatest artists of her time, but there is little description of the technical or formal aspects of the world-class art making in her rarified milieu. The writer instead goes into great detail about the political opinions of the Impressionists, with a catty critique of Morisot’s daughter’s art, calling it “derivative,” a favored way to avoid discussing the substance of art.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/08/books/review/growing-up-with-impressionists-julie-manet-diary.html

    Some of the laborious chores of women in earlier eras included bathing themselves and others without the convenience of modern plumbing. The Impressionists took advantage of the mechanics of bathing—compositionally—taking their cue from the intimate cropping, the everyday subject matter and the perspectival system of Japanese printmakers in….a….very….”derivative” manner, no more or less than most art. It’s all “derivative” to some extent, growing out of or reacting to different artistic traditions.

    It was equal opportunity derivativeness among those un-Woke Impressionists. The bad boys did it, as did the bad girls.

    Here is an actual Japanese print of a woman bathing in a small tub.

    Here is one of Degas’ many pastels with a woman and a tub, using the Japanese cropping and perspective.

    Here is Mary Cassatt’s derivative lifting from the Japanese printmakers, with her image featuring a momma, a baby and a wash tub. Morisot did it, too, but since the NYT trashed her daughter so much, I will let her off the hook.

    How could these female artists bring themselves to pinch image ideas and composition—if not technique since most of them worked in much different mediums than woodblock printmaking—from another oppressed “minority” group, namely Asians?

    From bad-man white-male artists, such behavior is expected, but from major female artists, un-Woke derivativeness is a class betrayal! Artists were mostly thinking about the pragmatics: the formal and technical aspects of getting the art done, not about politics. The political opinions of artists should be secondary in any historical discussion.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  59. 6dust6 says:

    Last summer the Boston MFA featured an exhibit of pastels by a number of the prominant French Impressionists. Featured alongside the work of Millet, Degas, Monet, Pissarro, and Manet was a thoroughly second rate pastel by Mary Cassett. So obvious and embarrassing the reason her work was included. The notion of assessing talent no longer exists

  60. Completely OT, a little picture of Tory Britain in 2019 and its dysfunctional police and justice system.

    In 2014, a deviant loner named Stephen Port (the ‘Grindr killer’) killed a young homosexual with an overdose of GHB – he rang the emergency services anonymously and told them police he’d found the victim collapsed in the street.

    “Evidence linking Port to Walgate’s death was missed at this time. Port was convicted of perverting the course of justice in March 2015 because his account of the death to the police varied. He was imprisoned for eight months, but released the following June and electronically tagged. “

    He then killed three more young chaps, the coroner returned open verdicts, and the policy did nothing until pressure from the families and also gay organisations.

    “Similarly, Taylor’s sister reported the police simply telling the family “Jack’s dead” and accepting the syringe in his pocket, white powder in his wallet and needle marks on his arm as indicating that he had sat down by himself and overdosed on drugs, although her brother was very anti-drugs. She and another sister contacted Barking Dagenham Police 11 days after his death for an update on their investigation and were astonished to discover none was taking place. “

    It’s not in the Wiki, but a young African guy, Gerald “Gerry” Matovu, was also convicted in April 2017 of supplying the GHB used to kill the victims.

    “Police discovered Matovu’s link to Port when they saw text messages exchanged between the pair, proving him to be one of Port’s dealers, a court heard. In the messages, he would tell Port he had “loads of G” and ask how much the killer wanted.
    Matovu was sentenced today to 12 months’ community service, 150 hours of unpaid work and 40 days of drug rehabilitation.”

    You will never, never guess what happens next.

    A part-time actor who appeared in the James Bond film Skyfall was murdered with an overdose of a chemsex drug during a plot to steal from gay men on Grindr dates, the Old Bailey heard today.

    Eric Michels, 52, was allegedly killed by 25-year-old Gerry Matovu with the drug GHB during an encounter at his home in Chessington, south-west London.

    It is alleged that Mr Michels was one of 12 people targeted by Matovu, who is accused of plotting with Brandon Dunbar, 23, to drug men in order to steal from them. Prosecutor Jonathan Rees QC told jurors that some men had their drinks spiked, while others were fleeced while distracted as they had sex.

    “These two defendants, often working together, took advantage of hook-ups and dates that had been arranged with other gay men through the app Grindr, to steal property from those men and also to take photos of their bank cards and other identification documents for the purpose of fraud”, said Mr Rees.

    “Twelve gay men who met up with one or both of the defendants with a view to having sex, ended up being the victims of their criminal enterprise.” Matovu and Dunbar, who were also lovers, are both accused of offences between 2016 and 2018, including theft, fraud, administering a poison and sexual assault.

  61. @Anon

    If an American news outlet had written this article, they wouldn’t have included this statistic on Asians being overrepresented.

    Asians has quite different connotations in the UK.

  62. @Paleo Liberal

    About 1000 years ago, mesoamericans were light years ahead of the rest of the world in astronomy and architecture.

    Those fields don’t require a wheel.

    • Replies: @Valentino
    , @Veracitor
    , @Cortes
  63. @Paleo Liberal

    For over a century, the greatest force in popular music has been the American Negro, making up about 0.6% of the world’s population.

    Perhaps, but the second half of that century is hardly anything to brag about.

    • Agree: Endgame Napoleon
    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  64. I don’t think quoting the Guardian is sporting.

    Of course it’s idiotic drivel.

  65. @Reg Cæsar

    You are showing your age.

    I remember about 30 years ago a well known gambler in New York summed up a conversation he had with a young black kid who was a huge rap music fan.

    Gambler: Sorry, I just don’t like rap music

    Black kid: How can you not like rap music?

    Gambler: I’m old and I’m white!

    But hey, my kids think I’m a dinosaur. They put up with me. One time it had it’s advantages.

    A conversation my kid had with a friend:

    Friend: Who is that old white guy playing with Kanye?

    My kid: Paul McCartney. He was in the Beatles

    Friend: Who were the Beatles?

  66. keypusher says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    About 1000 years ago, mesoamericans were light years ahead of the rest of the world in astronomy and architecture.

    Architecture — they were about where the Egyptians had been three thousand years earlier.
    Astronomy — they had a good calendar, I guess.

  67. Anon[268] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: 8-10 Somalis with hammers attack several people at a train station in Minneapolis. This isn’t getting much media notice. They were going after whites.

    https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2019/05/21/8-10-somali-teens-armed-hammers-attack-bystanders-east-bank-rail-station-mn-media-oddly-quiet/

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Reg Cæsar
  68. riches says:
    @Andrew

    “I can’t get to Takimag

    Me too.

    Sorry, but my tech savviness is such that I don’t even know why I get the frequent (and more exasperating) “Checking your browser before accessing Unz.com.”

    • Replies: @El Dato
  69. Veracitor says:

    The Guardianistas can relax. In the trendsetting USA, “art” museums carefully acquire and display new works from the dull (complected) and un-manly.

    The wokeness is inescapable. If you visit a contemporary art museum, most new schlock comes from artists who possess politically-correct immutable characteristics (if you think you have found a white male artist, don’t worry, his homosexuality has redeemed him). If you visit a classical or “modern” art museum, a goodly part of the collection has been put in storage (or secretly sold out the back door) to free up gallery space which is now devoted to schlock by artists of wokeness (and no, you can’t get a refund on your ticket purchase after you find out).

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Father O'Hara
  70. Valentino says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Mesoamericans developed civilizations with a degree of development similar to the Bronze Age civilizations, although they didn’t developed metal tools. The Mesoamerican pyramids have the same basic architecture and religious meaning that the Mesopotamian ziggurats have.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  71. res says:
    @Paul

    I would have assumed all science museums had an exhibit dedicated to Hidden Figures by now. Is that not the case?

    https://qeprize.org/createthefuture/hidden-figures-science-museum/

  72. res says:
    @Thirdtwin

    They just need to add a “Black Art” month to crank up the searches for “African American artists.”

    See this comparison of (African) American Inventors/Artists

  73. When y’all saw the black-o-centric album covers for Miles Davis’s Bitches Brew and Santana’s Abraxas, did you, as I did, assume the artist was black? I thought “Wow, black people really can do great stuff if given half a chance!”. The joke was on me. The artist was Mati Klarwein, a white German.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  74. Lot says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Steve got one of the two most famous Japanese works of art, the Great Wave. The other is of course the Dream of the Fisherman’s Wife, possibly NSFW if erotic 1814 woodcuts could get you in trouble.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dream_of_the_Fisherman’s_Wife

    • Replies: @Jack D
  75. Lot says:
    @Veracitor

    “or secretly sold out the back door”

    Selling art from a permanent collection is extremely taboo in the art world, far more than, for instance, mollusk-human sex.

    • Replies: @Jeff the Donleavy Fan
  76. @Veracitor

    White male hetero artists are known for their passionate,drama-filled relationships with women. If a talented WM artist is pushed aside,the public loses,the museum loses the artist loses..and the randy women who would’ve loved his talent lose.

  77. Off topic:

    While being white and male is bad, being brown and male is good!

    Nativo Lopez is dead. His obituary is quite telling:

    https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-nativo-lopez-dead-hermandad-mexicana-20190520-story.html?outputType=amp

    One Chicano race hustler, Gustavo Arellano, writing the obituary of another Chicano race hustler, is a prime example of just how bad the LA Times has become over the years.

  78. istevefan says:
    @Chewie111

    They make a similar oversight when they cite statistics going back to 1980, or prior about mass shooters and serial killers. They point out that the majority of them where White, but then fail to connect the dots that the majority of the population, especially back then, was very much majority White.

  79. istevefan says:
    @Chewie111

    They make a similar oversight when they cite statistics going back to 1980, or prior about mass shooters and serial killers. They point out that the majority of them where White, but then fail to connect the dots that the majority of the population, especially back then, was very much majority White.

  80. @Lot

    Can you elaborate? Do you mean that it isn’t done? Or that it is done, but no one will talk about it?

    It’s been said that there are libraries out there that sell off books, or simply trash them in the middle of the night, to make space for DVD collections and computer terminals — but we just don’t like to talk about it, so we pretend it does not happen.

    • Replies: @Lot
  81. Tipsy says:
    @The Alarmist

    If your equations are correct, then bad = 2 or 0. Just saying.

  82. istevefan says:

    In the final analysis isn’t this, and all the other attacks on our civilization, an indictment of us, and not those who would attack it? For aren’t we the ones that should have, and should be fighting to preserve what we inherited? And aren’t we the ones who have been cowered, not by force of arms or any superior force, but rather by what Sailer describes as the coalition of the fringes?

    I understand that we are rightly fearful for our financial futures, and realize standing up will probably adversely affect it. But recall the Founders who put their names to the Declaration and thereby admitted to treason, and in effect signed their death warrants.

    This is no call to actual arms, because no sane person would want to see unnecessary bloodshed. But there is a lot that our side can do, but won’t. The questions are why, and will this ever change?

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Desiderius
  83. Here’s another plug for Lorraine Schleter’s excellent web comic A Tale of Two Rulers. I don’t know of any young male artists who are even as good as she is, let alone better. I think it speaks well of her that she steers clear of the SJW rottenness of modern comic books.
    https://figmentforms.tumblr.com/search/my+art

  84. @Valentino

    Many Mesoamericans used obsidian instead.

    Obsidian blades were sharper than metal blades, even surgical steel. I found this out the hard way. Once in Tiotihuacan I picked up an Obsidian arrowhead, probably over 1000 years old. I swiped it against my finger a few times. I made cuts so thin I couldn’t see them. But they hurt.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @Jack D
  85. @keypusher

    Have you ever been to Chichen Itza ball field and heard the acoustic effects?

    I don’t know of any other place in the world with that sort of acoustic effects.

    Did The Egyptians really have that sort of thing 3000 years earlier? And did the Egyptians have something that made the Lizard King come out and dance at sunset during the solstice?

    If so, the Egyptians were far ahead of where I could have imagined.

  86. @Paleo Liberal

    Even a freshly broken flint will give you a nasty cut. Found one on a beach (Omaha beach in fact), broke it and ran my finger very gently over the fresh edge, just to see how sharp it was. Took ages to stop the blood, even after plaster and bandage I had to walk around for an hour with my finger in the air. Surprising how tiring that is.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  87. Jack D says:
    @Lot

    Your link doesn’t work which is just as well. Even in America 2019, interspecies threesomes are still pretty kinky.

    The more proper title (actually the work is untitled) is Tako to Ama (Octupus and Sea Woman). Ama is literally sea woman but really it means (female) abalone/pearl diver, which was a traditional female occupation in Japan. I think there are a handful left but now they are old ladies and wear scuba gear which is a lot less sexy that young women wearing only loin clothes which was the original getup.

    In the legend that this picture relates to, the ama is not a fisherman’s wife , she IS the fisherman so it really was an example of Westerners fitting another culture into their framework and getting it completely wrong.

  88. @Paleo Liberal

    You mean how sound reverberates off stone walls around an open space? Holy moly keep digging so we can find out how they cured cancer.

  89. Jack D says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    There are a lot of places with “whispering corners” or “whispering galleries” where a whisper in one corner can be heard clearly in the opposite corner – for example under Grand Central Station (outside the Oyster Bar) and in St. Pauls in London. In most cases (including Chichen Itza I would guess) the acoustic effects were not intentional – it’s just that the angles of the arches (or in the case of C I the walls) happen to form acoustic lenses.

    It is interesting though that ball games were an important aspect of Mayan culture. The West did not get around to organized ball games until the 19th century – the Romans didn’t care for them either. Then again the losers in the Mayan games would have their heads chopped off – the Romans would approve.

  90. @Jack D

    It is interesting though that ball games were an important aspect of Mayan culture. The West did not get around to organized ball games until the 19th century – the Romans didn’t care for them either. Then again the losers in the Mayan games would have their heads chopped off – the Romans would approve.

    The Mayans had rubber to make satisfyingly bouncy balls out of.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  91. Whiskey says: • Website

    Somali teens and youth attacking Whites on train stations in MN. This is why concealed carry is a must and Dems want Whites disarmed.

  92. Jack D says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Obsidian is just a naturally occurring volcanic glass. Anyone who has cut themselves on glass knows how sharp it can be – crazy sharp. The Mesoamericans had very well developed techniques on an almost industrial scale for making sharp implements out of obsidian. While these tools were razor sharp, they were as brittle as glass (were glass) and so not durable but they could just make more of them. But metal tools have an advantage in that (while not as sharp) they are much more durable.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  93. El Dato says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I recognize the cover of Concurrent Constraint Programming, a book in a series on Logic Programming by MIT Press with Japanese Art on the cover. Probably because of the Japanese “5th Generation” AI Project that was big at that time. Aiming for General AI via Logic Programming, it went nowhere fast in the end – a good reason being that good theory and practice for Logic Programming had not yet been developed. I did cause as much brown trousers and fear of loss of supremacy in the US as the “5th Generation” mobile comms thing does nowadays. The latter is also still half-baked at best.

    Where are my pipe and tweet jacket? Ah, here.

  94. “The worst represented group in the US art world are women of color.”

    For the six year olds out there…White IS a color. Therefore, every single color in the art world is represented.

    Like, duh.

  95. Veracitor says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Nor were mesoamericans “ahead” in architecture 1,000 years ago– they did not use the true arch. Although great heaps of stone impress the unsophisticated, real advances in architecture involve doing more with less.

  96. The great museums of England and America are BASFAS “By Anglo-Saxons For Anglo-Saxons” pars pro toto England and America. Who cares what anyone named “Chalabi” thinks?

  97. El Dato says:
    @riches

    Sorry, but my tech savviness is such that I don’t even know why I get the frequent (and more exasperating) “Checking your browser before accessing Unz.com.”

    This would be the Cloudflare cache system checking that you are not a member of Distributed Denial of Service attack brigade (and maybe a member of the Hasbara Outlet Groupoid)

  98. El Dato says:
    @Anon

    That’s the problem when you import people without also importing their way of regulating difficult behaviour. There should 10-15 dead-by-AKM Somali teens (previously with hammers) now.

  99. Lot says:
    @Jeff the Donleavy Fan

    You can do some searches on “decommissioning” for details. Doing it will get the museum and its staff blackballed. Yes, it basically never happens in major or even 2nd and third tier art museums.

  100. Maybe we can fudge the statistics by pretending that Joan Miró, Evelyn Waugh, etc. were female. Who would know? In fact, if I recall, some SJW article in the recent past referenced Evelyn Waugh as a female writer. The author was widely mocked by dissident right pundits.

  101. El Dato says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Stonehenge sure could bring the Lizard King out at the correct time back during the Bronze Age.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonehenge#Stonehenge_3_II_(2600_BC_to_2400_BC)

    It probably brought forth other Ancient Chtonic Deities and their accompagnement of mad, blind pipers too.

    Also

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism

    Astronomical function tracer in 86 BC.

  102. Maybe we can fudge the statistics by claiming artists and writers like Joan Miró and Evelyn Waugh, etc. are female. Most of the SJW types fall for it. Even Time.

    https://www.inquisitr.com/2828207/evelyn-waugh-time/

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  103. @Paul

    “Where are the depictions of the great black women scientists … ”

    Look at network TV. The scripted dramas are overflowing with black female computer scientists, surgeons, forensic experts, ect. On second thought, don’t look at network shows. They are excruciating.

  104. @the one they call Desanex

    Negrophilia is prevalent among the squareheads.

  105. @Foreign Expert

    That explains Jeff Koons.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  106. …and they actually PAY people to write this dreck!

  107. CCZ says:
    @Cucksworth

    Collection of Google algorithms at work showing us “white” couples, “white” mothers, “European” history, “European” inventors, and “American” inventors (and then the “African” counterparts). What was that about “white supremacy” in Google algorithms??

    • Replies: @El Dato
  108. @Simon Tugmutton

    Point taken, but in my defense, it seems the Kardashians aren’t so much exibits of such pieces, but more in the line of conneseurs of them.

  109. Forbes says:
    @Oleaginous Outrager

    How many museums have women of color opened or endowed?

    BTW, there are four Smithsonian museums in Washington, DC (and one in NYC) devoted to Mona Chalabi’s pet color cause:

    -Anacostia Community Museum, devoted to African American culture.
    -National Museum of African American History and Culture.
    -National Museum of African Art.

    plus:
    -National Museum of the American Indian; and,
    -National Museum of the American Indian’s George Gustav Heye Center in NYC.
    (I’m assuming Amerindians are POC–but what do I know.)

    Also,
    -National Museum of Asian Art. (Asians, as POC, seem to be used strategically, depending whether helping of hurting the POC cause.)

  110. @keypusher

    1000 years ago …
    Westminster Abbey, York Minster, Windsor Castle, Salisbury Cathedral – spectacular!
    Step pyramids – boring.

  111. Lebowski says:

    It is almost as if men must do something, create something, or possess something that results in higher status in order to attract women.

    It is funny to observe women longing to see other women behave like men. Women intuitively know that there is minimal personal payoff for years of obsessive focus and sacrifice in order to be great at something. Men still prefer the hot, twenty-five year old.

  112. @res

    is Mona Chalabi related to Akhmed Chalabi?

    Apparently not.

    Or Queen Noor? She was a Halaby. The name means someone from Aleppo. Maybe they all relate 500 or 1000 years ago.

    I have to avoid confusing Mona Chalabi with Mona Charen. Or Mona Jandali, this guy’s sister.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  113. El Dato says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    Then again the losers in the Mayan games would have their heads chopped off

    This is not a formula for building top-tier teams.

    The Greco-Romans had

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harpastum

    This game was apparently a romanized version of a Greek game called phaininda (Greek: φαινίνδα), or of another Greek game called ἐπίσκυρος (episkyros).It involved considerable speed, agility and physical exertion.

    Little is known about the exact rules of the game, but sources indicate the game was a violent one with players often ending up on the ground. In Greece, a spectator (of the Greek form of the game) once had his leg broken when he got caught in the middle of play.

    Sounds like hockey.

  114. @SunBakedSuburb

    That explains Jeff Koons.

    How long will that name survive?

  115. El Dato says:
    @CCZ

    Why does Pepe have Galactic Black Hole eyes?

  116. Olorin says:
    @Redneck farmer

    How utterly Triggering!

    The Whimmin of Choler are not “sandwich artists,” which is an incredibly sexist term.

    They are Portable Layered Comestible Engineers.

    Their ART is done at community center workshops where it is unanimously agreed that “artist” is a title part honorific/part extorted/part resulting from the consensus of those taking and offering the workshop.

    And YOU had better fork over the honor and extortion, white man.

  117. Forbes says:
    @eddy wobegon

    I think it goes like this:

    We’re all the same (equal) because we’re all different (diverse). What we have in common is nothing. That makes us equal.

    It’s the propaganda the PC/SJW bots have been fed.

  118. Forbes says:
    @Bill H

    Equal outcomes is about fixing the results. Everyone gets a trophy.

    Equal opportunity doesn’t exist when outcomes are fiddled.

  119. @keypusher

    Astronomy — they had a good calendar, I guess.

    They actually had three calendars, concurrent. They would all converge every 52 years. Or 52,000– I forget.

    The Romans had only two. We inherited the week from the less prominent one, because it conveniently coincided with the Hebrew/Christian one, also seven days. The names of the days around Europe thus range from all-Christian (Portuguese) to all pagan (English), with most a mix of the two.

    A detailed but readable explanation of the Central American calendars can be found in The Seven Day Circle by Eviatar Zerubavel.

    • Replies: @keypusher
    , @El Dato
  120. Forbes says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    History is all well and fine, but the reigning prog-left orthodoxy is “Everything before yesterday is wrong. What have you done for me today?”

  121. @res

    He is her uncle and father-in-law

    • Replies: @res
  122. peterike says:

    Speaking of art, the 58th Venice Biennale Art Exhibition is on right now, considered the best show in the world. Now, I expect contemporary art is going to be worthless bilge, but it manages to surprise me each time with just HOW terrible it is. The dead-serious descriptions are some of the best parts. Some links to explore:

    https://www.christies.com/features/72-hours-at-the-Venice-Biennale-9886-1.aspx

    https://www.christies.com/features/2019-Venice-Biennale-national-pavilions-9845-1.aspx?sc_lang=en

    https://www.christies.com/features/The-best-2019-Venice-Biennale-exhibitions-9873-1.aspx?sc_lang=en

  123. JohnnyD says:

    I wonder if she’s related to Ahmed Chalabi, who conned the Neocons, by claiming to be the Iraqi George Washington. That would be very Sailerian.

  124. @Paleo Liberal

    Manchus ended the Ming Dynasty in the 1600s.

    The Ming Dynasty ended when the last (very successful) emperor decided to abdicate and the eunuchs took over, running things pretty quickly into the ground. The women invited the Manchus in to restore a healthy T-level.

    Sound familiar?

  125. @Paul

    I’m not an art museum-goer. The docents and security guards are always ruder than librarians.

    I have noticed that television producers, in their popular science programs, are eager to feature women scientists as expert commentators — in numbers way out of proportion to their (smaller) presence in the real world.

    In matters out of this world, it always amazes me how many ex-NASA astronauts, who I see on TV, are women (including one WOC, but not the two females — one of them Jewish — who NASA incinerated and the notorious “astronut”).

    The science museums are so often (back) filled with left-wing pseudoscience that I stopped taking my kids to them.

  126. @Anon

    They were Somali teens, showing their gratitude to the nation that gave them refuge.

    No, their parents. “Teens” would have been born in this country, in this century.

    They were going after whites.

    The East Bank is on the University campus — the medical and dental schools are there, and the business school a short walk over on the West Bank. So there would be plenty of Asian students. I doubt these brats bothered to distinguish between them, or anyone else lighter than a high-yaller Ethiopian.

    A Somali once told me their clan system was breaking down over here, because you can’t tell clan by speech patterns. (And they don’t wear tartans.)

    They also see the world in terms of Somali and non-Somali. Not black and white.

    If course, most of the kids do attend public schools, so maybe they’re starting to…

  127. Jack D says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The name means someone from Aleppo. Maybe they all relate 500 or 1000 years ago.

    Only if there was only 1 family in Aleppo back then. Somehow I doubt this. Aleppo has been inhabited for the last 8,000 years.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  128. @Jack D

    The Indians in colonial Virginia had knives that were far sharper than what the English made. But they preferred the English ones because they lasted much longer. Sharp isn’t much use if it breaks.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Steve Sailer
  129. pale penis person.

    humorously, a pale penis person wrote thriller. this seems to have escaped 99% of fans attentions. if they only knew michael jackson’s best song and album were a white out too.

    kind of the reverse of the “a jewish woman wrote shakespeare” thing. except it’s true.

    • Replies: @HunInTheSun
  130. @Jack D

    You get a city name when you leave that city for another. All (old) New Englanders are related, as are all Québécois, after less than 400 years. These people would be related to one another through many families.

    You’d have had about a million ancestors 500 years ago. It’s like having 50 people in a room– it would be almost impossible for none to share a birthday.

  131. res says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Really, or are you joking?

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
  132. @Cloudswrest

    One otherwise respectful customer review of a book by the late, great Christie Davies called him “her”. I guess she got one of those review copies with no pic or bio.

  133. Jack D says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Even after hundreds of years of people picking them up, every Stone Age site is just littered with broken obsidian or flint arrowheads, tools, etc. because they broke and needed to be replaced constantly. To the non-expert eye, a lot of these just look like bits of rock but if you know what to look for you can see that they have been shaped by a human hand. I’m sure they also tended to break at inopportune times like when you were in the middle of a fight. Being able to acquire 1 knife and use it for a lifetime must have been a big improvement even if the sharpness was inferior.

  134. @res

    Just a little iSteve consanguine marriage joke.

    • Agree: res
  135. @Paleo Liberal

    Paleo, a thousand years ago the Aztecs and Incas were piling square stones for their pyramids while the first cathedrals were being erected in Europe. Actually Machu Pichu was erected in the 1400s.

  136. keypusher says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, I’m familiar with their calendars, I’ve read Popul Vuh, I’ve looked at their writing, I’ve visited Chichen Itza and Tulum multiple times. The Maya accomplished amazing things, particularly when you consider their relative isolation. But to say that their astronomy and architecture was light-years ahead of the rest of the world a millennium ago is nonsense.

  137. @William Badwhite

    William, BINGO ! Don’t like what you see, don’t look at it . Want something different…create it. Don’t like Classical Ballet, start a touring twerking troupe. How many paintings on black velvet do you need for your gallery? Stop bitching about what some one else has done and do something.

  138. Tim says:

    Thinking about black American artists, I looked up the guy that used to do the painting JJ was supposed to be doing in Good Times.

    Ernie Barnes was a good artist, and lived an incredible life. He played football in the NFL. He said his career really took off when he moved to the Fairfax neighborhood in Los Angeles–mostly Jews, go figure.

    That’s probably what got him plugged in with Norman Lear.

    Anyway, the more I thought about Good Times, the more I shook my head. I mean the very idea that JJ was supposed to be a brilliant artist is laughable, but we used to swallow that crap up. In fact the entire family was this sparkling image of heroic black goodness.

    Then I remembered Gordon Parks, who was a good photographer . . . I mean, A LITTLE heavy handed, but good.

    Those were the only two I could think of.

  139. MarcB. says:
    @dvorak

    It was part of an intelligence program of cultural debasement that also included the importation of Frankfurt School and placed them in positions of authority and visibility throughout the US. Patrons of the arts deathly frightened at the prospect of appearing to have unsophisticated tastes helped prop the whole thing up.

  140. “We account for 20% of the population.”
    Wow! I did not realize every fifth person I meet is a WOC.

  141. donut says:

    You know I was standing outside yesterday appreciating what a beautiful day it was . The weather here in Towson is glorious , we’ve had so much rain this spring that the vegetation is lush and the sky was a brilliant blue , there was a breeze … so as I’m looking around I started to wonder ; do the local fauna such as it is have the capacity or the inclination to notice and appreciate the beauty of the world ? I mean being snatched up and eaten for lunch in the USA is an unlikely fate to befall one , but you know if you’re a small bird or mammal eating and not being eaten is your #1 priority right ? That and reproducing in the season for that .
    Does a dog or a bird or an elephant or a dolphin stop and ponder the world as we do ? Do they have the capacity to do that ? Is that a trait that evolution would select for as beneficial to survival ?
    F**k I don’t know , I do know that the inclination to post comments on Steve’s blog is an ambiguous survival strategy .

    Oh I almost forgot to give a plug to Anton

    We can do that too .

    • Replies: @Jack D
  142. @Reg Cæsar

    I’m stumped as to whether in 1491 American Indians lived in the Stone Age or not. There was a copper mine on Isle Royale in Lake Superior, and copper artifacts show up in various places around North America. But there didn’t seem to be much continuity, the way there was in the Old World where once you got to a certain level of metal technology, you made sure not to go back.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Valentino
  143. @Jack D

    My impression is that ball games have been around in Europe for a very long time. Indoor royal tennis courts numbered 250 just in the Paris region in 1596.

    Golf was so popular in Scotland that it was banned in 1457 in favor of more archery practice, dammit.

    My impression is that sports had idiosyncratic differences from place to place, which meant you couldn’t have sprawling leagues. The coming of railroads led to traveling teams and the standardization of rules, typically around 1870 in the English speaking world.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Cortes
  144. Cortes says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Wheels were known.

    https://tcmam.wordpress.com/2010/11/11/did-pre-columbian-mesoamericans-use-wheels/

    The lack of suitable draft animals (cf Diamond’s “Guns, Germs and Steel”) and surplus human labour may explain the restriction to toys.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Tusk
  145. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Nothing like the Roman Coliseum was built again until the 20th century so whatever was being done was on a much smaller scale.

  146. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Isle Royale copper was uniquely pure because of a freak volcanic event – it’s the purest (therefore easiest to smelt) copper ore on the planet. A characteristic of native cultures is that nothing ever changes. They might have been digging the copper there 7000 yrs ago but they never took it to the next level and probably even went backwards.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  147. Cortes says:
    @Steve Sailer

    When I started high school (1969) we played “malky football” during breaks.

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=malky

    Whoever was unfortunate enough to score got a good kicking. The tradition has died out in Scotland. I could believe it survives in Uruguay…Luis Suarez, Diego Godin, Edison Calvani…superstars of the old school.

  148. @Endgame Napoleon

    I’m a big fan of Élisabeth Louise Vigée Le Brun (1755–1842).

  149. Jack D says:
    @donut

    Does a dog or a bird or an elephant or a dolphin stop and ponder the world as we do ?

    I dunno but I get the feeling that my dog enjoys being outside on a day when the weather is just perfect.

    • Replies: @donut
    , @donut
  150. @Cortes

    But why no wheelbarrows? Or did wheelbarrows only become practical with metal tools to carve smooth axles?

    • Replies: @Cortes
    , @Anonymous
  151. Valentino says:
    @Steve Sailer

    But there didn’t seem to be much continuity, the way there was in the Old World where once you got to a certain level of metal technology, you made sure not to go back.

    It wasn’t discontinuity. At the age of the European discovery of the continent, the natives were beginning to develop the metal tools.

  152. Cortes says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Great questions.

    No idea is the inadequate answer.

    Last week I witnessed a guy carry on his shoulder bag after bag of rough cast rendering materials for the renovation of external walls up from ground level to two stories above ground level. And thinking “Why in the name of fuck would you do that and not just use a block/tackle/pulley arrangement? The same thing strikes me about the Mesoamericans.

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  153. Cortes says:
    @Cortes

    Pulley wheels could’ve been durable made of wood or clay, I suppose.

    Wheels trundling over the ground is a different story. Absent metals.

  154. J.Ross says: • Website

    People prohibited from making representational art are bemaoaning their lack of representation in art museums?

  155. @Jack D

    The West did not get around to organized ball games until the 19th century – the Romans didn’t care for them either.

    I was going to suggest Florentine calcio, but “organized” isn’t the right word for it.

  156. @Abolish_public_education

    I have noticed that television producers, in their popular science programs, are eager to feature women scientists as expert commentators — in numbers way out of proportion to their (smaller) presence in the real world.

    The men are too busy doing the science to explain it.

    It’s like women being drafted into the IDF to type correspondence and sweep floors, so the men are free to fight.

  157. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Was he as enthusiastic about impeaching Obama? If not, he’s as full of shit as the antinuke global warmers and prolifers who weep at the prospect of sterilizing idiots, junkies and criminals.

  158. donut says:
    @Jack D

    Yeah , of course he does , he , like you and I can appreciate the comfort of mild weather but does your dog register the beauty of a perfect Spring day ? You all must know about the largest flower that blooms so irregularly and smells like rotting meat , right ? Of all the pet dogs I had not one ever rushed to smell the fragrance of the blooming flowers . So does nature equip us in every way :

    https://griersmusings.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/the-heart-sutra-kapleau.pdf

  159. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Isle Royale copper was uniquely pure because of a freak volcanic event – it’s the purest (therefore easiest to smelt) copper ore on the planet. A characteristic of native cultures is that nothing ever changes. They might have been digging the copper there 7000 yrs ago but they never took it to the next level and probably even went backwards.

    Nonwhite cultures in general, with exceptions like the Japanese, mostly are static, timeless, without
    discernible change.

    You could, if a time traveler, go to those places at any time in a millennium or three and not know when it was, if you follow me. By contrast, in America, and in mnost of Europe, you could “beam down” to any retail store and without a calendar know to within a few years when you were in time. The merchandise all changes, unless you’re in a general store catering to Amish. A car dealer’s showroom would change every couple of years if you knew what to look for, even for a Ford dealer in Model T’s era or a VW Beetle dealer.

    The Japanese are an exception but they do not invent genuinely new things and without outside input are pretty static. They do improve existing ideas, make them better. Arabs, blacks, indigenos of all types don’t. It’s not in their ability.

    Time travel, alas, is impossible. But it makes for a good gedanken experiment, what you’d see if you could. It’s no coincidence that it is a most popular staple of science fiction.

    Even all out efforts like Mad Men invariably have minor anachronisms, like the black instead of gray Selectric keyboards, 1A2 phones with square rather than round line buttons, cutaway shots to 707s with fanjet nacelles when they would have been straight turbojets or VW Beetles with backup lights before they came out in the story line. No one can keep up. Superfans notice the most trivial details, like vintage guitars with roundwound strings with a plain G string when flatwounds with wound G’s were de rigeur. Newspaper photographers with Rollei cameras with later lenses or Nikon Fs with Photomic heads or the wrong color of Honeywell potato masher strobe flashes. Even, God help us, women’s rooms with the wrong tampon dispensers.

    By contrast, life in Afghanistan in 400 AD probably was little different than in 1400 AD. You could beam up a guy in 400 AD, beam him back down in 1400, and besides not knowing anyone anymore he’d never figure that he’d missed a thousand years.

    If we brown out-are hybridized out of existence-progress stops. We go back to a timeless, but brutal , squalid and short, existence. It’s that simple, that stark, that dramatic what we face.

    Want to have boots on Mars, cure cancer and diabetes and heart disease, make a world that isn’t brutal and squalid for 95% of people? You know what has to be done. I do too. And I’m crazy enough to believe we can do it.

    She went down last October in a pouring driving rain
    The skipper, he’d been drinking and the Mate, he felt no pain
    Too close to Three Mile Rock, and she was dealt her mortal blow
    And the Mary Ellen Carter settled low

    There was just us five aboard her when she finally was awash
    We’d worked like hell to save her, all heedless of the cost
    And the groan she gave as she went down, it caused us to proclaim
    That the Mary Ellen Carter’d rise again

    Well, the owners wrote her off; not a nickel would be spent
    She gave twenty years of service, boys, then met her sorry end
    But insurance paid the loss to us, they let her rest below
    Then they laughed at us and said we had to go

    But we talked of her all winter, some days around the clock
    For she’s worth a quarter million, afloat and at the dock
    And with every jar that hit the bar, we swore we would remain
    And make the Mary Ellen Carter rise again

    Rise again, rise again!
    Let her name not be lost to the knowledge of men
    Those who loved her best and were with her ’til the end
    Will make the Mary Ellen Carter rise again!

    All spring, now, we’ve been with her on a barge lent by a friend
    Three dives a day in hard hat suit and twice I’ve had the bends
    Thank God it’s only sixty feet and the currents here are slow
    Or I’d never have the strength to go below

    But we’ve patched her rents, stopped her vents, dogged hatch and porthole down
    Put cables to her, ‘fore and aft and girded her around
    Tomorrow, noon, we hit the air and then take up the strain
    And make the Mary Ellen Carter rise again

    For we couldn’t leave her there, you see, to crumble into scale
    She’d saved our lives so many times, living through the gale
    And the laughing, drunken rats who left her to a sorry grave
    They won’t be laughing in another day

    And you, to whom adversity has dealt the final blow
    With smiling bastards lying to you everywhere you go
    Turn to, and put out all your strength of arm and heart and brain
    And like the Mary Ellen Carter, rise again

  160. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Abolish_public_education

    As a kid the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry was, bar none, my favorite place on the whole planet. My last visit in the early 90s was devastating-the good exhibits had all been pulled. Haven’t been there since.

  161. Anonymous[156] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Sure, it’s a mystery the New World lacked the wheelbarrow.

    But it’s also a mystery why the Old World Bronze Age lacked the wheelbarrow. And the New World didn’t even reach the Bronze Age. (The Copper Age did have wagons.)

  162. @prime noticer

    By God you’re right, his name was Rod Temperton, and he passed away, an Englishman, in 2016!

  163. El Dato says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    But the real revolution came just after Alexander the Macedonian:

    Once local and irregular, time-keeping became universal and linear in 311 BCE. History would never be the same again

    How could one synchronise events at geographical distance, or between states? Take the example of the Peloponnesian War, fought between Athens and Sparta in the last third of the 5th century BCE. This is how the great Athenian historian Thucydides attempted to date its outbreak:

    The ‘Thirty Years’ Peace’, which was entered into after the conquest of Euboea, lasted 14 years; in the 15th year, in the 48th year of the priesthood of Chrysis at Argos, and when Aenesias was magistrate at Sparta, and there still being two months left of the magistracy of Pythodorus at Athens, six months after the battle of Potidaea, and at the beginning of spring, a Theban force a little over 300 strong … at about the first watch of the night made an armed entry into Plataea, a Boeotian town in alliance with Athens.

    Where we would write, simply, ‘431 BCE’, Thucydides was obliged to synchronise the first shot of war to non-overlapping diplomatic, religious, civic, military, seasonal and hourly data points. The dates are intimately tied to central state institutions, dependent on bureaucratic list-making, applicable only within a self-limiting geography, and highly sensitive to political change. Indeed, they are not really dates at all, so much as synchronisms between multiple events, coordinating a network of better and lesser-known occurrences: what is being dated, and what dates it, belong to the same order of things. Imagine giving the date of the invasion of Iraq, your grandma’s birth or American independence in such a manner; and then try to explain this to someone from another country.

    In the chaos that followed the death of Alexander the Great in Babylon in 323 BCE, all this changed. One of Alexander’s Macedonian generals, who would go on to win an enormous kingdom stretching from Bulgaria to Afghanistan, introduced a new system for reckoning the passage of time. It is known, after him, as the Seleucid Era. This was the world’s first continuous and irreversible tally of counted years. It is the unheralded ancestor of every subsequent era system, including the Christian Anno Domini system, our own Common Era, the Jewish Era of Creation, the Islamic Hijrah, the French Revolutionary Era, and so on.

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  164. Tusk says:
    @Cortes

    Alternative Hypothesis debunked this in his most recent video by demonstrating that, I believe, Llama’s are comparatively similar on the metrics that matter to other draft animals. There were options availible but mesoamerican’s never used them.

  165. donut says:
    @Jack D

    Well thank you for that “insight” Jack D , but I already know that I would rather squat and shit in the sunshine than the rain , but it is the dog’s capacity for wonder that I was curious about .

  166. @Abolish_public_education

    Nothing against your comment either, but my [AGREE] was for your handle.

  167. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I had a friend in the late 70s that got into the mountain man thing and took up flint knapping for flintlocks. Cut himself really badly and needed a bunch of stitches. The cut was so sharp it did not heal well. Regular surgical scalpels are sharp, but not as sharp as they could be for this very reason.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  168. @El Dato

    Yeah, he’s somewhat of a liar though.

    Where we would write, simply, ‘431 BCE’,…

    No, actually, we wouldn’t. For all but the last 15 years or so, “we” would write, simply ‘431’ BC.

    It is the unheralded ancestor of every subsequent era system, including the Christian Anno Domini system, our own Common Era, the Jewish Era of Creation, the Islamic Hijrah, the French Revolutionary Era, and so on.

    Wouldn’t those two be exactly the same because Political Correctness says anything, even simple terminology, with religion in it must be destroyed? 100 BCE = 100 BC, just as 2019 CE = 2019 AD.

    What a lyin’ sack of shit. There’s no way I’d trust this guy on anything else either, in that case.

  169. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    I don’t think this is correct. Generally speaking the smoother the cut the better it heals. A very smooth and thin cut like a paper cut often heals right up.

    All knives operate like saws at a microscopic level – the scratches left by the abrasive used to grind the edge function like saw teeth. The finer the saw teeth, the less it tears up your tissues. The problem with really sharp implements is that they tend to cut you more deeply because less force is required for a given depth of cut.

  170. @istevefan

    It’s not the coalition of the fringes that cowers us, but those behind them who we are afraid to even name. More than 2% of them are Jewish, but not that much more. Many of them are our neighbors, co-workers, relatives. Many have local, immediate power over us and especially our children.

    It’s a tough nut to crack.

  171. MBlanc46 says:
    @Wilkey

    On the other hand, the only way you’ll find Negroes in a museum or the theater is if a black artist is being exhibited or a black play is being produced. Otherwise, they have zero interest.

  172. 95Theses says:
    @Anon

    Well naturally. It was Bush, after all, who promised at least some 30 times in recorded video and audio that,

    If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.

    If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.

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