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When to Build the Trump Fence? Before the Nascent "Central American Spring" Gets Fully in Gear

Central Americans riding “The Beast” thru Mexico toward El Norte

With yesterday’s overthrow and jailing of Guatemala’s crooked El Presidente, there is much talk of a “Central American Spring” that will bring needed reform to the 43 million people of Central America.

I wish the citizens of Central America countries well in providing themselves with better self-government.

I also wish the same for the citizens of Arab countries.

But, sadly, the much heralded “Arab Spring” that began over four years ago hasn’t so far worked out so well for either Arabs or for their European neighbors who neglected to strengthen their border defenses.

The Obama, Sarkozy, and Cameron governments, for example, thought it would be a good idea in 2011 as one of their contributions to the Arab Spring to have the obnoxious dictator of Libya murdered. In hindsight, we know that the Gadafi-Berlusconi accord was the main prop to keep Europe from being overrun by boat people from sub-Saharan Africa. Libya’s descent into Mad Max-dom has opened the door for Africa’s billion people (and the three billion more the UN expects by 2100) to act out Raspail’s The Camp of the Saints in the Mediterranean. (Whether the demographic inundation of Europe is considered a bug or a racial feature by, say, Obama and Susan Rice has not been much looked into.)

Even some of the more hard-headed countries in the Middle East were temporarily embarrassed by the Arab Spring. For example, Israel had relied upon Egyptian dictator Hosni Mubarak to prevent sub-Saharan economic migrants from swarming through Egypt into wealthy Israel. When the Muslim Brotherhood was voted into office, the new democratic Egyptian government stopped doing Israel this favor. So Israel quickly started filling up with economic “illegal infiltrators” from black Africa. This led to more crime and an embarrassing anti-black pogrom perpetrated by working class Jews in Tel Aviv against the black immigrants.

The government of Israel rushed into existence a formidable fence on the Egyptian border to stop economic migrants, along with a series of programs to deport the immigrants back to Africa. The fence on the Egyptian border has proved highly effective, but the delay has still left Israel with the unwelcome problem of kicking out its illegal infiltrators before they can bring in more relatives and produce anchor babies. Even as patriotic a government as Israel’s would rather sidestep these kind of problems in the first place than do what it takes after they’ve developed.

Jerusalem, “World War Z”

Hence, a more prudent Israel is now preemptively building a ferocious border fence along its currently stable border with Jordan to be ready just in case World War Z breaks out and the zombie hordes head for Israel.

Similarly, the Saudi government has contracted with Munich-based Airbus to build a high tech 900km fence along the Saudi border with Iraq.

A stitch in time saves nine.

Personally, I have no idea what will happen in Central America.

Nor can I make confident predictions even about the future stability of Mexico and its 120 million residents. As Mexico’s long-time dictator Porfirio Diaz said around the time that, after decades of total stability, he was suddenly driven into exile and his country descended into the decade-long Mexican Revolution that killed at least one million people, “Nothing ever happens in Mexico … until it happens.”

It may well turn out that, relatively speaking, nothing happens. But if “it happens,” well, America would be a lot better off if we had developed some better border security now, rather than later, which might be too late.

 
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  2. The African migrant phenomenon wasn’t really related to the political situation in Egypt. It was something that had began picking up speed as early as 2007.

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  3. In a previous post I tried to pose a question about real-life Trump vs TV Trump, this post from the “My Posting Career” forum says what I couldn’t articulate:

    http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/8496-the-donald-trump-presidential-archive/page__st__1900#entry219696

    For those who don’t want to click the link:

    Pure speculation here, but I’m guessing that Trump doesn’t have a secret file of horrible secrets about him unlike a lot of other people in power. After all, he’s only 1 generation removed from a working class father who built homes with his hands, before creating an outer borough real estate business. He probably had a normal, protestant upbringing. I’m guessing sober, quiet Donald of the 80′s (as seen below) began to learn how the game was played, and developed a brash, outspoken media personality to keep under peoples radars. Who will suspect the rich dope? I bet most of us didn’t until his announcement. I’m sure he instructed his daughter who to marry, and has controlled many things in the last few decades to position himself. I bet his love of wrestling helped him create his persona. And now the fruits of decades of preparation are coming to fruition.

    Post comparing young Trump to new Trump:

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    • Replies: @Clyde
    Trump never drinks. He has heeded the warning of his alcoholic brother who died in his 40s. If elected president he will be the first since George HW Bush who has no history of drug taking (choom gang Obama) or extensive drinking (George W Bush). Bill Clinton also included.
    We can have the first straight, sober presidency in a long time. Washington DC is drenched in alcohol. Maybe you need to be outside the Beltway and sober to see illegal immigration, stupid free trade treaties, off shoring of jobs as threats to America.
  4. @H2
    In a previous post I tried to pose a question about real-life Trump vs TV Trump, this post from the "My Posting Career" forum says what I couldn't articulate:

    http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/8496-the-donald-trump-presidential-archive/page__st__1900#entry219696

    For those who don't want to click the link:

    Pure speculation here, but I'm guessing that Trump doesn't have a secret file of horrible secrets about him unlike a lot of other people in power. After all, he's only 1 generation removed from a working class father who built homes with his hands, before creating an outer borough real estate business. He probably had a normal, protestant upbringing. I'm guessing sober, quiet Donald of the 80's (as seen below) began to learn how the game was played, and developed a brash, outspoken media personality to keep under peoples radars. Who will suspect the rich dope? I bet most of us didn't until his announcement. I'm sure he instructed his daughter who to marry, and has controlled many things in the last few decades to position himself. I bet his love of wrestling helped him create his persona. And now the fruits of decades of preparation are coming to fruition.

    Post comparing young Trump to new Trump:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmClYIQqEn8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7UcQcD9INI

    Trump never drinks. He has heeded the warning of his alcoholic brother who died in his 40s. If elected president he will be the first since George HW Bush who has no history of drug taking (choom gang Obama) or extensive drinking (George W Bush). Bill Clinton also included.
    We can have the first straight, sober presidency in a long time. Washington DC is drenched in alcohol. Maybe you need to be outside the Beltway and sober to see illegal immigration, stupid free trade treaties, off shoring of jobs as threats to America.

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    • Replies: @snorlax
    I love Trump, but dude GMAFB, his picture is the illustration for "cokehead" in the dictionary.
  5. WGG [AKA "World's Greatest Grandson"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    A more immediate reason for another huge Latin American surge has to do with the recent immigration ruling by federal judge Dolly Gee. She ruled ICE must release family units currently in detention; ’cause muh freedoms. Basically if any women bring their children illegally into the U.S. from anywhere south of Mexico, the government can’t touch them. I think that is a cornucopia of carrots to encourage more of them to come in droves. Hopefully, her ruling will not stand on appeal, but that seems a long shot to hope for.

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    • Replies: @Big Bill
    The Chinese, including Chinese Judge Gee, still have a huge chip on their shoulder about the Chinese Exclusion Act, which was probably the most important pro-labor legislation in the better part of a century. They aren't going to be happy until we are dead and gone.
  6. I occasionally hear people praising Mexico, and their Mexican heritage. The fact that they can’t actually stand to live there is lost on them.

    I wish Mexico and Mexicans well, just as a good neighbor. However, I look at Europe and it’s invasion from Africa and the Middle East…

    It’s considered barbaric of the West to not accept EVERYONE from some other place. It’s racist and evil to point out that they are uninvited guests. And it’s assumed that the super-rich average citizen of Hungary or wherever is being mean by not letting a family of 10 Syrians live in his house…

    I’ll be interested to see how long this can last. Camp of the Saints might be the most prescient book of the past 50 years.

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  7. There are four basic types of ppl crossing the border:
    1. Those who want to make more money.
    2. Legit refugees.
    3. Criminals.
    4. Terrorists.

    The great majority are in the first group, and we only need a physical fence to keep the last two groups out.

    The much easier, much smarter way to reduce the numbers of the first group is a “smart fence” (or a “smart wall”).

    If those in the first group don’t see any benefit to coming here, then almost all won’t come.

    So, how do we make that happen? By making it very difficult for politicians to enable them coming here. If we can take away most of the political support for illegal immig., then there won’t be much benefit to come here.

    So, how do we make that happen? By doing things my way, since almost no one else supports doing things the smart way. See, for instance, my Challenge campaign.

    That doesn’t mean you should stop doing things the lunkhead way of demanding a border-length fence or a wall that is very, very unlikely to be built. But, in addition to doing things the lunkhead way, work doing things the smart way in.

    If you won’t do things the smart way, then you’ll hold out for a border-length fence that won’t be built and you’ll have helped the people you claim to oppose.

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  8. The Spanish have a pretty good fence along their Moroccan possessions of Mellila and Cueta with razor wire and heavy police patrols yet periodically the African migrants on the other side storm the fence in large numbers and a couple hundred manage to fight their way over. Without a firm administrative policy like Australia’s that prohibits permanent residency for anyone making an illegal entry into the country ( and we’ll see how long that holds up when a left of center government is back in power) a fence is vulnerable to mass attack.

    Large numbers, as in the Camp of the Saints, is the real threat. Look at how two or three thousand African vagrants have paralyzed rail and road traffic across the English Channel. Unless you are willing to use force to break up vagrant encampments eventually those encampments will grow large enough to swamp whatever border barriers you can build. Build a fence bristling with concertina wire, make it multi layered, even electrify it and it won’t work if you allow thousands to gather on the other side. Those in the rear will simply press forward and use those in front to smash their way through.

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    • Replies: @Whiskey
    Mines, mines, mines. This was how the Eastern Europeans kept their walls working. They also were not afraid to shoot people, very pointedly.
  9. @unit472
    The Spanish have a pretty good fence along their Moroccan possessions of Mellila and Cueta with razor wire and heavy police patrols yet periodically the African migrants on the other side storm the fence in large numbers and a couple hundred manage to fight their way over. Without a firm administrative policy like Australia's that prohibits permanent residency for anyone making an illegal entry into the country ( and we'll see how long that holds up when a left of center government is back in power) a fence is vulnerable to mass attack.

    Large numbers, as in the Camp of the Saints, is the real threat. Look at how two or three thousand African vagrants have paralyzed rail and road traffic across the English Channel. Unless you are willing to use force to break up vagrant encampments eventually those encampments will grow large enough to swamp whatever border barriers you can build. Build a fence bristling with concertina wire, make it multi layered, even electrify it and it won't work if you allow thousands to gather on the other side. Those in the rear will simply press forward and use those in front to smash their way through.

    Mines, mines, mines. This was how the Eastern Europeans kept their walls working. They also were not afraid to shoot people, very pointedly.

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  10. Nothing is going to happen in Central America. Those miserable people will limp along with their massively corrupt but democratic governments far into the future. The eastern bloc isn’t around to support communist coups or guerrilla movements, and there’s no reason for anybody else to want to stir up trouble. We may get some incidents like what happened in Mexico in 1994 but nothing beyond that.

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  11. Similarly, the Saudi government has contracted with Munich-based Airbus to build a high tech 900km fence along the Saudi border with Iraq.

    Assuming this the same Airbus that manufacturers big airliners, what is the connection between aircraft manufacturing and building fences? Recall in the USA Boeing won the contract to build the “virtual fence” in 2006, which turned out to be a waste of resources and time, as it prevented the actual building of a real fence in favor of a high-tech, expensive gizmo designed to fail. Let’s hope Airbus builds fences like Boeing!

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    If we’re going to swamped with third world riffraff, I’ll take Hispanics any day of the week over the worst of humanity we see flooding into Europe. At least in the case of Hispanics it is for economic reasons (even if the Mexican government is facilitating a lot of it) while in Europe it is because these peoples ruined their own societies and countries and now come to Europe with only their baggage (pun intended). I wish I had been born 60 years prior to my actual DOB. And I wish the malevolent Muslim mulatto’s mother had never caught jungle fever.

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  13. We have the only military in the world who thinks defending its own nation is not its role, despite being called the Department of Defense, whereas Department of Offense is far more accurate. A big myth is that our military cannot/should not defend our borders. I exposed these myths in this article, http://www.g2mil.com/border.htm.

    Here is part:

    Myth #1 The US Constitution prohibits posting US troops on the border.

    The US Constitution says no such thing. In fact, Article VI states:

    Section 4. The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.

    So the US Constitution clearly requires the federal government to protect states from invasion. Almost a million aliens illegally pouring across the border into states each year is clearly an invasion.

    Myth #2 The Posse Comitatus Act prohibits US troops from guarding US borders.

    This 1878 act was enacted to prevent Union troops from continuing to enforce federal laws in the defeated South after the American Civil war. Here is the text as modified by Congress in recent years:

    Sec. 1385. – Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus

    Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

    Guarding US borders from foreign invasion is not “law enforcement.” The US Army exists to defend the USA from foreign invasion, which is expressly authorized by the US Constitution. Guarding the Mexican border was the Army’s primary peacetime mission until 1940 and no one ever declared this was in violation of this 1878 act. The US Border Patrol wasn’t even formed until 1924, so claiming the intent of this law was to prevent US Army troops from guarding the border is absurd. The map at left shows US Army forts in Texas in the late 1880s when the entire US Army had fewer than 40,000 soldiers; it has 500,000 today. Clearly, defending the US border was a primary mission of the US Army for decades after this act was passed.

    Myth #6 Illegal immigration cannot be stopped

    Of course it can. There is no illegal immigration from North to South Korea because that border is heavily guarded. Perhaps some of the 28,000 US troops there can transfer to the US border. Guarding the border will not stop the hundreds of thousands of visitors who overstay their visas in the USA, but at least they were checked and inspected prior to arrival. The Border Patrol estimates that 500,000 unknown persons slipped past them last year, cutting that to 5000 a year is not unrealistic. Some claim that illegals will just find another way to cross. However, most illegals cannot obtain a visa or shopping pass because they haven’t an address and job.

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  14. Maybe when the Israelis want some tropical vacation property they’ll push for regime change in down south.

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  15. @Clyde
    Trump never drinks. He has heeded the warning of his alcoholic brother who died in his 40s. If elected president he will be the first since George HW Bush who has no history of drug taking (choom gang Obama) or extensive drinking (George W Bush). Bill Clinton also included.
    We can have the first straight, sober presidency in a long time. Washington DC is drenched in alcohol. Maybe you need to be outside the Beltway and sober to see illegal immigration, stupid free trade treaties, off shoring of jobs as threats to America.

    I love Trump, but dude GMAFB, his picture is the illustration for “cokehead” in the dictionary.

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    But Steve, you *do* have an idea about what will happen in Central America.
    As you know as well as I do, as sure as ‘eggs are eggs’ virtually the entirety of Central America will empty out into the USA.
    Of course it will happen.
    Look at the Hell they have made for themselves. Look at how the beachhead has already been established in the USA, and how all the big bastards, the lefties, The Economist, the eighties, Caplan, Murdoch, the WSJ, the NYT etc etc etc defend them to the uttmost hilt.
    You just know they will *all* filter in.
    Don’t kid yourself otherwise.

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  17. @WGG
    A more immediate reason for another huge Latin American surge has to do with the recent immigration ruling by federal judge Dolly Gee. She ruled ICE must release family units currently in detention; 'cause muh freedoms. Basically if any women bring their children illegally into the U.S. from anywhere south of Mexico, the government can't touch them. I think that is a cornucopia of carrots to encourage more of them to come in droves. Hopefully, her ruling will not stand on appeal, but that seems a long shot to hope for.

    The Chinese, including Chinese Judge Gee, still have a huge chip on their shoulder about the Chinese Exclusion Act, which was probably the most important pro-labor legislation in the better part of a century. They aren’t going to be happy until we are dead and gone.

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    • Replies: @Clyde

    The Chinese, including Chinese Judge Gee, still have a huge chip on their shoulder about the Chinese Exclusion Act, which was probably the most important pro-labor legislation in the better part of a century. They aren’t going to be happy until we are dead and gone.
     
    Agree 100% on her particular brand of dual disloyalty but there are thousands of self-sabotaging white judges who would rule the same
  18. @Bert
    Nothing is going to happen in Central America. Those miserable people will limp along with their massively corrupt but democratic governments far into the future. The eastern bloc isn't around to support communist coups or guerrilla movements, and there's no reason for anybody else to want to stir up trouble. We may get some incidents like what happened in Mexico in 1994 but nothing beyond that.

    Seems reasonable.

    Still …

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    What's the worst that happen with millions of Central Americans coming over in a short time? It's not like they are Sunni Arabs who will form hostile populations that will grow for generations. The Central Americans will mostly have intermarried with lower class Americans after two generations.
  19. @iSteveFan

    Similarly, the Saudi government has contracted with Munich-based Airbus to build a high tech 900km fence along the Saudi border with Iraq.
     
    Assuming this the same Airbus that manufacturers big airliners, what is the connection between aircraft manufacturing and building fences? Recall in the USA Boeing won the contract to build the "virtual fence" in 2006, which turned out to be a waste of resources and time, as it prevented the actual building of a real fence in favor of a high-tech, expensive gizmo designed to fail. Let's hope Airbus builds fences like Boeing!

    The West needs a moat-industrial complex.

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  20. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Steve Sailer
    Seems reasonable.

    Still ...

    What’s the worst that happen with millions of Central Americans coming over in a short time? It’s not like they are Sunni Arabs who will form hostile populations that will grow for generations. The Central Americans will mostly have intermarried with lower class Americans after two generations.

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    • Replies: @Clyde

    What’s the worst that happen with millions of Central Americans coming over in a short time?
     
    Living in a Guatemalan or Brazilian style dystopian hell hole.
    , @zaqan
    You want Aztec genetics in our DNA pool? You want the havoc of these criminals for the decades until (if) they assimilate? Read Adios America
  21. @Big Bill
    The Chinese, including Chinese Judge Gee, still have a huge chip on their shoulder about the Chinese Exclusion Act, which was probably the most important pro-labor legislation in the better part of a century. They aren't going to be happy until we are dead and gone.

    The Chinese, including Chinese Judge Gee, still have a huge chip on their shoulder about the Chinese Exclusion Act, which was probably the most important pro-labor legislation in the better part of a century. They aren’t going to be happy until we are dead and gone.

    Agree 100% on her particular brand of dual disloyalty but there are thousands of self-sabotaging white judges who would rule the same

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  22. @Anonymous
    What's the worst that happen with millions of Central Americans coming over in a short time? It's not like they are Sunni Arabs who will form hostile populations that will grow for generations. The Central Americans will mostly have intermarried with lower class Americans after two generations.

    What’s the worst that happen with millions of Central Americans coming over in a short time?

    Living in a Guatemalan or Brazilian style dystopian hell hole.

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  23. @Anonymous
    What's the worst that happen with millions of Central Americans coming over in a short time? It's not like they are Sunni Arabs who will form hostile populations that will grow for generations. The Central Americans will mostly have intermarried with lower class Americans after two generations.

    You want Aztec genetics in our DNA pool? You want the havoc of these criminals for the decades until (if) they assimilate? Read Adios America

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