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From The Atlantic:

When the Culture War Comes for the Kids
Caught between a brutal meritocracy and a radical new progressivism, a parent tries to do right by his children while navigating New York City’s schools.

GEORGE PACKER OCTOBER 2019 ISSUE

Packer is a prominent foreign and foreign policy correspondent. His latest book is a biography of diplomat Richard Holbrooke.

First he and his youngerish wife do the whole New York City zillion dollar private kindergarten thing that I’ve had a lot of fun with over the years.

The pressure of meritocracy made us apply to private schools when our son was 2—not because we wanted him to attend private preschool, but because, in New York City, where we live, getting him into a good public kindergarten later on would be even harder, and if we failed, by that point most of the private-school slots would be filled. As friends who’d started months earlier warned us, we were already behind the curve …

I arrived to find myself, at best, the 30th person in a line that led from the locked front door of the school up the sidewalk. Registration was still two hours off, and places would be awarded on a first-come, first-served basis. At the front of the line, parents were lying in sleeping bags. They had spent the night outside. …

When parents on the fortunate ledge of this chasm gaze down, vertigo stuns them. Far below they see a dim world of processed food, obesity, divorce, addiction, online-education scams, stagnant wages, outsourcing, rising morbidity rates—and they pledge to do whatever they can to keep their children from falling. They’ll stay married, cook organic family meals, read aloud at bedtime every night, take out a crushing mortgage on a house in a highly rated school district, pay for music teachers and test-prep tutors, and donate repeatedly to overendowed alumni funds. The battle to get their children a place near the front of the line begins before conception and continues well into their kids’ adult lives. At the root of all this is inequality—and inequality produces a host of morbid symptoms, including a frantic scramble for status among members of a professional class whose most prized acquisition is not a Mercedes plug-in hybrid SUV or a family safari to Maasai Mara but an acceptance letter from a university with a top‑10 U.S. News & World Report ranking. …

So they get their oldest into a Dalton-type private school, but then they have a second and it’s starting to look like private school for both will cost a total of $1.5 million after taxes. So, it’s off to public school:

My wife and I are products of public schools.

Packer’s parents were both Stanford professors, so I’m guessing he went to Palo Alto HS. He wrote in 2013: “The public schools in the area were excellent and almost universally attended; the few kids I knew who went to private school had somehow messed up. The [Santa Clara/Silicon] Valley was thoroughly middle class, egalitarian, pleasant, and a little boring.”

Whatever torments they inflicted on our younger selves, we believed in them. We wanted our kids to learn in classrooms that resembled the city where we lived. We didn’t want them to grow up entirely inside our bubble—mostly white, highly and expensively educated—where 4-year-olds who hear 21,000 words a day acquire the unearned confidence of insular advantage and feel, even unconsciously, that they’re better than other people’s kids.

Eventually they find a public school that is “38 percent white, 29 percent black, 24 percent Latino, 7 percent Asian.”

This combination of diversity, achievement, and well-being was nearly unheard-of in New York public schools. This school squared the hardest circle. It was a liberal white family’s dream. The admission rate was less than 10 percent. We got wait-listed.

But eventually a school administrator responds to the letter from a National Book Award winner and lets their kid in.

Everything was fine until The Great Awokening:

And then things began to change.

Around 2014, a new mood germinated in America—at first in a few places, among limited numbers of people, but growing with amazing rapidity and force, as new things tend to do today. It rose up toward the end of the Obama years, in part out of disillusionment with the early promise of his presidency—out of expectations raised and frustrated, especially among people under 30, which is how most revolutionary surges begin. This new mood was progressive but not hopeful. …

Within two years, almost every bathroom in the school, from kindergarten through fifth grade, had become gender-neutral. Where signs had once said boys and girls, they now said students. …

The school didn’t inform parents of this sudden end to an age-old custom, as if there were nothing to discuss. Parents only heard about it when children started arriving home desperate to get to the bathroom after holding it in all day. Girls told their parents mortifying stories of having a boy kick open their stall door. Boys described being afraid to use the urinals. Our son reported that his classmates, without any collective decision, had simply gone back to the old system, regardless of the new signage: Boys were using the former boys’ rooms, girls the former girls’ rooms. This return to the familiar was what politicians call a “commonsense solution.” It was also kind of heartbreaking. As children, they didn’t think to challenge the new adult rules, the new adult ideas of justice. Instead, they found a way around this difficulty that the grown-ups had introduced into their lives. It was a quiet plea to be left alone. …

Hamilton and the campaign had a curious relation in our lives. The first acted as a disinfectant to the second, cleansing its most noxious effects, belying its most ominous portents. Donald Trump could sneer at Mexicans and rail against Muslims and kick dirt on everything decent and good, but the American promise still breathed whenever the Puerto Rican Hamilton and the black Jefferson got into a rap battle over the national bank. When our daughter saw pictures of the actual Founding Fathers, she was shocked and a little disappointed that they were white. The only president our kids had known was black. …

He’d been painfully aware of climate change throughout elementary school—first grade was devoted to recycling and sustainability, and in third grade, during a unit on Africa, he learned that every wild animal he loved was facing extinction. “What are humans good for besides destroying the planet?” he asked. Our daughter wasn’t immune to the heavy mood—she came home from school one day and expressed a wish not to be white so that she wouldn’t have slavery on her conscience. It did not seem like a moral victory for our children to grow up hating their species and themselves. …

“If you fail a math test you fail seventh grade,” our daughter said one night at dinner, looking years ahead. “If you fail seventh grade you fail middle school, if you fail middle school you fail high school, if you fail high school you fail college, if you fail college you fail life.”

We were back to the perversions of meritocracy. But the country’s politics had changed dramatically during our son’s six years of elementary school. Instead of hope pendants around the necks of teachers, in one middle-school hallway a picture was posted of a card that said, “Uh-oh! Your privilege is showing. You’ve received this card because your privilege just allowed you to make a comment that others cannot agree or relate to. Check your privilege.” The card had boxes to be marked, like a scorecard, next to “White,” “Christian,” “Heterosexual,” “Able-bodied,” “Citizen.” (Our son struck the school off his list.) …

Wokeness prettifies the success race, making contestants feel better about the heartless world into which they’re pushing their children. Constantly checking your privilege is one way of not having to give it up.

 
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  1. Culture war? I got yer culture war right here:

    The dark secret behind the success of Sid Luckman, the greatest Bears quarterback ever

    “This was a hands-off time,” said author R.D. Rosen. “It was a very courteous media”

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/ct-ent-sid-luckman-story-kogan-0915-20190911-uiarxazfobhxlipedspyyv4pay-story.html

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    I hate so many of you who are wusses: https://youtu.be/ hgl8bta-7aw
  2. “When our daughter saw pictures of the actual Founding Fathers, she was shocked and a little disappointed that they were white.”

    That’s okay, tell her to google images of ‘American inventors.’

    • LOL: Unladen Swallow
  3. Constantly checking your privilege is one way of not having to give it up.

    What is that supposed to mean?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad


    Constantly checking your privilege is one way of not having to give it up.
     
    What is that supposed to mean?
     
    It's supposed to mean "I'm a good person."

    What it actually means is "I'm an asshole."
    , @Kent Nationalist
    It means the author wants to criticise the concept of privilege checking in a way accepting to anti-whites
    , @Digital Samizdat
    As long as you're anti-white, anti-christian and anti-heterosexual, you can still be upper-class.
    , @SFG
    It means it's a way of covering up the fact that you're disgustingly rich.

    If you say "I'm a bad person because I'm white, able-bodied, heterosexual, cis, and Christian" (to use the example in the article), you can make up for that by going on about how awful you are and how sensitive you have to be.

    If you say "I'm a bad person because I'm rich", someone can say, "Well, then, why don't you pay higher taxes?"
    , @ScarletNumber
    It means that if you don't acknowledge that you are advantaged due to the circumstances of your birth, the left will do its best to unperson you.
    , @Thirdtwin
    "Close your eyes and think of England."
    , @J.Ross
    Cinematically, The Leopard.
    For [fundamental] things to stay the same, everything [superficial] must change.
  4. It’s a good article until he needs to get his 2 cents About #6 – his own- in to make sure his employers (or the check cutters) know that he is so not getting on the Trump/Metallica train! He is a sell-out. George Packer is a sad man of no balls bc he does not defend the idea that as a father, you defend and provide for your children.

    Someday his son will know his dad sold out to the Globalist elites, and the most putrid, in NYC. His son is white, so heaven help him. I am so ashamed of wusses like Packer who I had admired in the past.

    Just to put some reference: my brother got into Stuyvesant in 1971…but my parents were afraid we younger ones, may not ace the test – we were immigrants. So, we moved into a lovely town.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    Trump supporters who think Trump is going to protect America remind me of the Jews welcoming the Soviet troops invading Poland in 1939.
    , @Lurker
    He's a goddam fucking cuck.
  5. Thanks for highlighting this one, Steve.

    It’s a good article. Given his background and context, Packer manages to work through many of the insanities of the education system in which he and his children are immersed.

    He in fact comes very close to really understanding:

    At times the new progressivism, for all its up-to-the-minuteness, carries a whiff of the 17th century, with heresy hunts and denunciations of sin and displays of self-mortification. The atmosphere of mental constriction in progressive milieus, the self-censorship and fear of public shaming, the intolerance of dissent—these are qualities of an illiberal politics.

    I asked myself if I was moving to the wrong side of a great moral cause because its tone was too loud, because it shook loose what I didn’t want to give up. It took me a long time to see that the new progressivism didn’t just carry my own politics further than I liked. It was actually hostile to principles without which I don’t believe democracy can survive. Liberals are always slow to realize that there can be friendly, idealistic people who have little use for liberal values.

    But I sense that he will never turn away from his faith in his own goodness, and the his belief that others like him deep down are good, too.

    • Agree: GermanReader2
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    It's a small step actually from George Packer's position to Jonathan Haidt's claim, that immigration can well a threat to the functionality of society. In Haidt's words: Immigration can cause centrifugal powers and thus cause danger for societies.

    Btw. - Haidt seems a bit uneasy lately and therefore even turned a little bit into a doomsayer in Australia, where he said, that as of now he can't exclude, that the US might face a new Civil War.

    That might be over the top. But if I read Haidt's Civil War warning as a wake-up cry of his, directed at those fellow liberals like George Packer, who are still a bit too reluctant to say and dig, what Haidt has understood about the dangers of immigration, then it sounds ok again.
    , @Anonymousse
    For all his navel gazing he votes exactly like the wokest and supports all the people and institutions that chase the rest of us around with pitchforks for so much as noticing things like the recent Minnesota “teen brawl”.

    He just wants some separate acknowledgment for being so reflective and self aware... all while helping inflict much worse things than “privilege cards” on the rest of us and on OUR children.

    He’s upset about the minor imposition on his feeling of wellbeing, but just you tell him your neighborhood is overrun with section 8 and you have to sell your house at a loss or your kids are liable to get randomly assaulted in the classroom (of course they wouldn’t be stupid enough to be on the STREET).

    See how much sympathy he has for the real problems of all these “backwards” “racist” red state types whose experience of diversity doesn’t come from watching Hamilton.

    To hell with him.
    , @dvorak

    He in fact comes very close to really understanding
     
    Packer names the illiberal left, and as a neolib foreign-policy type, one would expect people like him to put up a real fight against the illiberal left. The liberal CIA fought against Communism pretty hard, with few pangs of guilt about punching left.

    I wouldn't worry about neoliberals' appetite for a fight. They rule 2/3 of the globe in a Pax Americana. They didn't attain their position through town-hall meetings and grassroots democracy.

    , @Gabe Ruth
    That "friendly, idealistic people" is something special. He doesn't actually get it at all. This is something that afflicts even "conservatives": in the core of their being, there is a suspicion that the woke are better people than them, that they are frauds, sellouts, on the wrong side of history. And because we are in fact a one party state, both libs and cucks are actually correct about their suspicions. They have already granted the metaphysics of the radicals.

    Don't worry too much Mr. Packer, I'm sure your ego would prefer your current feckless course of action to any that would precisely have some affect for the better.
    , @MikeJa
    Its a confused piece. Does he want more wokeness so his son's friend can go to the same middle school? Or should they just cut the bs and make sure his bright kids don't have to put up with being educated alongside dumber kids.

    I've got his biography of Holbrooke on my Kindle. I am hoping it's a little clearer
  6. I live in a gentrified neighbourhood in downtown Vancouver and you basically need to bring your first fetal ultrasound image to the school to get a good spot in a kindergarten wait list.

    • Replies: @bomag

    ...to get a good spot in a kindergarten wait list.
     
    Somewhat weird, since curriculum and good enough teachers are fungible items.

    New churches; new bars; new music bands; new hospitals of equal or higher quality than extant ones are started all the time. Good kindergarten should be amenable to the same scaling factors.

  7. It would have been more succinct if he had just written that the school’s faculty and most of the parents of its pupils are a bunch of deluded, sanctimonious a**holes.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    True, they also lack any loyalty amongst themselves. There’s really no community, just acquaintances. It’s not quite a Hobbesian system of “all against all” but it’s almost there.
    , @Twodees Partain
    Yes, but he does write for The Atlantic, after all. Succinctness isn't an option for him there.
    , @William Badwhite

    When our daughter saw pictures of the actual Founding Fathers, she was shocked and a little disappointed that they were white. The only president our kids had known was black. …He’d been painfully aware of climate change throughout elementary school.....he learned that every wild animal he loved was facing extinction. “What are humans good for besides destroying the planet?”
     
    "painfully aware of climate change"...well since there is no chance an eight year old is actually aware of subtle changes in the climate that take place over decades and even centuries, what he really means is the kid was fed nonstop propaganda and hysteria. The part about "every" wild animal the kid is aware of facing extinction is similarly silly. You'd think he'd object to the kids being fed political talking points all day instead of learning math, to write, etc.

    Our daughter wasn’t immune to the heavy mood—she came home from school one day and expressed a wish not to be white so that she wouldn’t have slavery on her conscience.
     
    Right, because slavery never existed before the American colonies, never happened anyplace else, and ceased to exist in 1865. They're teaching your kids to hate themselves and their ancestors, and you're okay with this?

    If you fail a math test you fail seventh grade,” our daughter said one night at dinner, looking years ahead. “If you fail seventh grade you fail middle school, if you fail middle school you fail high school, if you fail high school you fail college, if you fail college you fail life.”
     
    That sounds like a real light-hearted family. I bet they're a ton of fun to vacation with. Its easy to make fun of kooks like this until you realize those kids will be voting in the next 10 years or so and likely in positions of power not too much after that. Then it becomes depressing.
  8. I really enjoy your posts on education, Steve, though not so much the college admissions stuff. You can find so much crazy rationalization in the minds of these people, it’s like a maze. They really, really want to believe that they are NOT giving an advantage to their kids, because that’d make them racists or something …. but, if there are no races, and the ones that people say there are are exactly the same in ability anyway, then any school should do, but people may still think the mostly-white one is better … which is bad, see …

    We didn’t want them to grow up entirely inside our bubble—mostly white, highly and expensively educated—where 4-year-olds who hear 21,000 words a day …

    “No, we want our kids to be a bit stupider than that. It wouldn’t be fair to the other kids that are hanging out with the stupid kids, through no fault of their own. We just want our kids to learn the usual words like “I’m fitten to kick yo ass if you don’t gimme dat lunch money, homie!”

    • Replies: @Ancient Briton
    21,000 words a day... that's an awful lotta yakkin' ...enough to give you a permanent headache!
  9. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Apparently Malcolm Gladwell comes out as a Penn State/Jerry Sandusky Truther in his latest book.

    “Malcolm Gladwell Interview: His New Book Blows Apart the News Media’s ‘Penn State Scandal’ Narrative”

    Gladwell and I go into great detail on the issue of the date and our slightly differing interpretations of what this new timeline actually means. Here are some of Gladwell’s key quotes from the extensive interview, which can be heard at this link:

    “There is no way Joe Paterno even belongs in this conversation. Everyone should agree he was treated shamefully and that his good name needs to be restored.”
    “I am ashamed to be part of a society which tried to put Graham Spanier in prison.”
    “We were way, way, way, way too quick to come to judgement about the Penn State leadership and on Joe Paterno, and way too quick to think that Mike McQueary’s account is cut and dry when, in fact, it’s not.”
    “Joe Paterno, Graham Spanier, Tim Curley, and Gary Schultz were the victims of a moral panic. It was crazy.”
    “The prosecution behaved egregiously in this case and continues to behave egregiously.”
    “The Freeh Report (conducted on the case on behalf of Penn State by former FBI Director Louis Freeh) is a whole other pile of crap.”
    The prosecution’s current date (their second official stab at it after originally incorrectly claiming it was March 1, 2002) for the McQueary episode, February 9, 2001, is “bullshit.”
    The news media’s total lack of curiosity in the real story of the “boy in the shower,” whom Gladwell correctly identifies in his book as then 13-year old Allan Myers, is “bizarre.”
    As for Sandusky’s guilt, Gladwell cautiously says, “I don’t know. The public should know that this is murky… This case is shrouded in doubt.” He adds that in reality it is, “the polar opposite of the Larry Nassar case,” when it has been portrayed by the media as very similar.
    In the news media, “There is kind of a group mentality that takes place in these cases, at least in the beginning.”
    “My hat is off to you John. I admire what you have done and I encourage others to look at it and reach their own conclusions… I think you are going to live to see at least some measure of vindication.”

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    Thing is , he's right.
    , @Oddsbodkins
    I am now convinced that Malcolm Gladwell has balls. Not what I expected to be thinking today.
  10. @Anonymous

    Constantly checking your privilege is one way of not having to give it up.
     
    What is that supposed to mean?

    Constantly checking your privilege is one way of not having to give it up.

    What is that supposed to mean?

    It’s supposed to mean “I’m a good person.”

    What it actually means is “I’m an asshole.”

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
    • LOL: Aft
    • Replies: @Ragno

    The only president our kids had known was black. …

    (Our son had) been painfully aware of climate change throughout elementary school—first grade was devoted to recycling and sustainability, and in third grade, during a unit on Africa, he learned that every wild animal he loved was facing extinction. “What are humans good for besides destroying the planet?” he asked. Our daughter wasn’t immune to the heavy mood—she came home from school one day and expressed a wish not to be white so that she wouldn’t have slavery on her conscience. It did not seem like a moral victory for our children to grow up hating their species and themselves. …
     

    George's sniveling second thoughts notwithstanding, his children are guaranteed to grow into virtue-signalling monsters who will experience no such reservations about the purpose instilled in them from the bassinet onward: to rescind the Bill of Rights insofar as it pertains to the greater mission as a kind of ideological appetizer, prior to the main course of defeating, deleting and permanently excreting the hated White Man (and his equally-guilty sometimes-mate, the free-range Becky) from the face of the earth and the memory of Man. If George and his own (I'm assuming here) shrill, ball-busting missus harbor any hidden hope that the children will eventually reject the wisdom of the parents, they ought to take the blinders off: the Goldsteins and Gutierrezes now in charge of Junior and Janie have already trained them to dismiss and discard anything the actual birth parents might care to add to the children's training and development.

    But the relentless indoctrination they will now and forevermore marinate in via every social conduit surrounding them, from their lesson-plans at school, to the 1001 ventriloquist voices of media all repeating the same messages, to the advertising signals so omnipresent they'll soon stop noticing them and begin merely absorbing like sponges? They'll understand and recognize them as "reality" without ever actively needing to react to, let alone acknowledge, them. Does anyone ever find themselves ratifying statements like "water is wet", or "fire is hot"? So with "the white man is the cancer of the human race."

    To think of all the time we've wasted apportioning blame among the various phony "generations", from boomers to millenials with all points between; when the only way this next assembly-line of little monsters could countermand their self-immolating programming would be to kill their status-obsessed, race-traitor parents upon reaching the age of majority. Unfortunately, I don't think Mom & Dad Packer will need to install a deadbolt on their bedroom door - although Generation Social Credit unwittingly spawning Generation Breivik is probably the last best shot civilization has for a Happy Ending. Don't hold your breath.

  11. Now, I just read through that last big except. This guy is no ordinary NY City hypocrite virtue-signaller. He is damn near nuts! Thinking that who is the US President is the biggest thing in our lives, and that the kids are not adventurous enough by wanting to live as normal girls and boys is nuts, but it gets worse.

    Mr. Packer is a child abuser. Keeping his kids under his worldview and in a school with this kind of sick stupidity going on is doing long-term damage to these kids. What a sick way to attempt to raise a functioning adult.

    I’ve got Chairman Mao on the land line. 1960’s Red China could really use a guy like you, George Packer!

    • Agree: Bubba
    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    Achmed E. Newman wrote:

    Mr. Packer is a child abuser. Keeping his kids under his worldview and in a school with this kind of sick stupidity going on is doing long-term damage to these kids. What a sick way to attempt to raise a functioning adult.
     
    Well:

    [I]n one middle-school hallway a picture was posted of a card that said, “Uh-oh! Your privilege is showing. You’ve received this card because your privilege just allowed you to make a comment that others cannot agree or relate to. Check your privilege.” The card had boxes to be marked, like a scorecard, next to “White,” “Christian,” “Heterosexual,” “Able-bodied,” “Citizen.” (Our son struck the school off his list)...
     

    Our son reported that his classmates, without any collective decision, had simply gone back to the old system, regardless of the new signage: Boys were using the former boys’ rooms, girls the former girls’ rooms... [T]hey found a way around this difficulty that the grown-ups had introduced into their lives. It was a quiet plea to be left alone. …
     
    Packer sees that the kids are rebelling: the kids, on their own, re-established gender-based restrooms. Hi son "struck the school [that was pushing the idiotic "Check your privilege" meme] off his list)..."

    Human nature struck back against progressivism among the kids..

    "A little child shall lead them." It was after all a child who pointed out that the emperor had no clothes.

    Someday, they will grow up and sweep aside this evil, corrupt, inhuman, bureaucratic, soul-destroying society that progressives have created.
  12. • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Wow. 14 whole days, though maybe it's an Epstein sentence where she can go out during the day but has to be back for 9pm curfew.

    That's probably a death sentence in Hollywood, but I doubt any of us Deplorables would have gotten such a lenient sentence.
  13. … the unearned confidence of insular advantage … combination of diversity, achievement, and well-being … progressive but not hopeful … Donald Trump could sneer at Mexicans and rail against Muslims and kick dirt on everything decent and good … When our daughter saw pictures of the actual Founding Fathers, she was shocked and a little disappointed that they were white …

    “LOL” — he writes like an overwrought teenage girl — or a pathetic fag dweeb, take your pick — imagine having him as a “father figure” — mein Mitleid hält sich in Grenzen — geliefert wie bestellt.

    You forgot to mention that Packer is a Jew ‘fellow White’ (also: “He served in the Peace Corps in Togo.”).

  14. @Mr. Anon
    It would have been more succinct if he had just written that the school's faculty and most of the parents of its pupils are a bunch of deluded, sanctimonious a**holes.

    True, they also lack any loyalty amongst themselves. There’s really no community, just acquaintances. It’s not quite a Hobbesian system of “all against all” but it’s almost there.

  15. Someone explain this judge to me? Esformes gave away some of the money he stole from taxpayers, so he’s a good guy? If the billions he stole was just a minority of the money he made, how much did he really make in total? And how?

    BTW, Esformes is also implicated in the college admissions scandal.

    Medicaid fraud legend Philip Esformes sentenced to 20 years for $1.3 billion+ fraud

    “In arguing for a 30-year sentence, prosecutors said his yearslong bribes-for-patients schemes involved the corruption of medical professionals and government regulators, and entailed grievous injuries to a massive number of elderly patients.

    “Miami is the epicenter of health care fraud, there was no one like Philip Esformes–he was king,” prosecutor Allan J. Medina told the judge in court Thursday.

    Judge Scola meted out a punishment significantly less than the 30 years prosecutors requested, saying Esformes also had an extraordinary history of helping people in need. Attorneys for Esformes had described him as a selfless philanthropist who had donated more than $15 million to synagogues, schools and individuals…

    Said Scola: “I think he should get some consideration for his philanthropy, although it’s dangerous to say because he was stealing money from Medicare, so people might say he was giving that money to charity. But the vast majority of the money he made, he made legitimately. More importantly he was a true friend to people known and unknown to him, and that is worthy of mitigation.”

    Esformes told the judge he was studying the Torah and praying for redemption. “I won’t miss that opportunity,” he said.

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/investigations/ct-philip-esformes-sentenced-nursing-home-fraud-20190912-cumxa7wwb5do7iekg32h2o5thy-story.html

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6891333/Florida-businessman-convicted-1B-Medicare-fraud-case.html

    • Replies: @eah
    Forgetting the grounds for mitigation given: is this guy dangerous? -- would you be worried about encountering him on a dark street? -- he's not a violent criminal, so why lock him up for decades? -- subject him to a big fine or asset seizure to recover (proven) ill-gotten gains, then put him back on the street after a few token years behind bars -- it's not as if he's likely to re-offend.

    And note: One of Esformes’ defense attorneys, Roy Black, focused on the fact that the jury was hung on the indictment’s main conspiracy count of defrauding the Medicare program. ... “For three years, they [prosecutors] have touted this case as a $1 billion healthcare fraud and they failed to prove it,” Black said. ... “The jury was unable to reach a verdict on that and several other counts; however, they did obviously find him guilty of a number [of other counts],” Black added. “It’s certainly a mixed bag.”
    , @snorlax
    The jury was unable to reach a verdict on the count of defrauding the government. What he was convicted of and sentenced for was a scheme to bribe medical professionals to refer patients to his nursing homes.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article228723399.html

    20 years where the prosecutor asked for 30 is on the somewhat harsh side; more often you'll see a judge impose a sentence only half as harsh as the prosecutor recommends, if not even more lenient. Judge's discretion aside, a decades long sentence is unusually harsh for white collar crime. Bear in mind there is no parole in Federal prison, so 20 years is 20 years.
    , @Father O'Hara
    Studying the Torah? That's how he got in this mess in the first place.
    , @Pericles

    Esformes told the judge he was studying the Torah and praying for redemption.

     

    Lol, whoops! Always read the article to the end.

    I wonder what charities this philanthropist preferred? Chabad?
  16. @Anonymous

    Constantly checking your privilege is one way of not having to give it up.
     
    What is that supposed to mean?

    It means the author wants to criticise the concept of privilege checking in a way accepting to anti-whites

  17. “When parents on the fortunate ledge of this chasm gaze down, vertigo stuns them. Far below they see a dim world of processed food, obesity, divorce, addiction, online-education scams, stagnant wages, outsourcing, rising morbidity rates—and they pledge to do whatever they can to keep their children from falling.”

    Does Packer have the first clue that it was perpetual immigration and “outsourcing” that created that “chasm,” the immigration and “outsourcing” that so painfully bloated the supply of labor, that overloaded the public schools with low human capital students, that created the tremendously overpopulated “dim world” on the low end of the Wealth Inequality Gulf?

    Does Packer have the first clue to how the massive increase in the imported populations of minorities made possible and fueled the “Wokeness” of anti-White hatred and left-liberal White Guilt?

    Do people such as Packer ever hear themselves talking the cluelessness that they talk?

    • Replies: @Change that Matters
    Bingo.
    , @Amanuensis
    Anyone sufficiently based, as we say, to realize such a thing, will never be given any space in The Atlantic in which to express it. You're cast out into the darkness once you become sufficiently aware of what's actually going on and how mass immigration has made life so intensely difficult for families to maintain the traditional life.
  18. Thank God I don’t live in New York City.

  19. OT

    Campbell is part of the suburban sprawl known as the South Bay — growing up in that area back in the 70s, nice middle class white kids lined up to get fast food jobs — now it’s the resentful brown helot class.

  20. Packer is a weird egg. It seems wants to play like he took the ‘red pill’ by apparently moving a few degrees to the right. But he is still, and probably will forever be, a dyed in the wool lefty.

    Cultural lefties view that as being a large part of their identity, and there’s no talking them out of it. Sure, he notes his fellow travellers take note of the woes of the working and middle classes that pop up disproportionately more than in the upper classes, but there’s no way in Hell they’d ever deviate from their clannish behavior, let alone voting patterns, to help alleviate some of the problems of people a few rungs below them on the ladder. To paraphrase a former president, it’s not who they are.

    It’s not quite the same, but it’s like talking to black people about politics (stipulating that they are working and bills paying blacks). Many will check off every or most every cultural and political tenet on the right (guns, religion, education, taxes), but would never, ever consider voting Republican. Democrat is just who they are (the TV show ‘Blackish’ had an episode about this) (and yes, I occasionally watch ‘Blackish.’ Scripted shows centering on Blacks give Whites a window into that world you don’t normally see).

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    The GOP no longer has an ethical core.. Why would ex-Leftists want to support a party that has no values other than accumulating material wealth? A party that justifies any behavior as long you are on the winning side of the transaction?
    , @Gabe Ruth
    While I'm not at all questioning the negative economic effects of immigration, I think economic and industrial policy have been at least as great a factor in the woes of the working class (regressive taxation, multinational corporations, winner-take-all industrialism).

    And like with immigration, the duopoly has done its job aggressively well: provide the illusion of a strong division between the parties on these issues, while in fact it's brass Big Homo wins, trails America loses.
  21. Anon[276] • Disclaimer says:

    There are a few places in the piece where there is a whiff of a hint that his son has hooked up with the black kids and is picking up some bad influences. But no problemo.

    First of all, it’s not just black kids, it’s a multiethnic mix of kids, i.e., black kids and other delinquents, and some other white prey. And secondly, the wonderful influence of a multicultural school is great! Although he also mentions worrisome giant standardized testing “gaps” between the black kids and the white kids at the school. (An organized standardized testing boycott figures in another part of the narrative, resulting in no statistics for the school in city data.) The kid escapes into a better school at the end, although the next year the new open entry policy was going to happen: just in time, I guess!

    But the younger daughter is still in the school system. My money says she ends up in a private school before long.

    Apparently some new book decrying “meritocracy” was the elite’s hip summer read, so expect more self flagellation like this. What cracks me up is that all of this anti-meritocracy stuff, including this article itself, effectively admits that Charles Murray was right, standardized testing ID’d smart flyover kids who congregated in the Ivy League, assortatively married, and became a new elite. Give the guy credit by name!

    Ignored is the fact that the hereditary nature of upper class priviledge is probably mostly genetic, although Packer seems to think that the problem is that the parents of these tiny POC Einsteins are clueless buffoons who have no idea how the school system application process works and have no time to navigate it. If their kids could only get into the magic dirt schools, they would thrive (and not delinquentize the white kids). To the extent that there is any merit in that idea the new De Blasio reforms should fix things. I’m not holding my breath.

    • Replies: @snorlax

    But the younger daughter is still in the school system. My money says she ends up in a private school before long.
     
    She ends up in a private school before you reach the end of the article!

    We had faced this problem with our daughter, who was reading far ahead of her grade in kindergarten and begged her teacher for math problems to solve. When the school declined to accommodate her, and our applications to other public schools were unsuccessful, we transferred her to a new, STEM-focused private school rather than risk years of boredom. We regretted leaving the public-school system, and we were still wary of the competitive excesses of meritocracy, but we weren’t willing to abandon it altogether.
     
    , @Altai

    Apparently some new book decrying “meritocracy” was the elite’s hip summer read
     
    Meritocracy was originally a term of abuse and the originator was shocked how it was taken as a good. Essentially his critique was that a society run by people chosen purely on some metric that would surely never include virtue would potentially create a ruling class that would act a lot like the current ones in the West.

    If before you had an aristocracy, now you had a stratified place where every level of progression in society was aligned. You create a system without the ruling class having to defend their legitimacy. A system like today, a wonkocracy where 'economists' must always be right.
    , @OscarWildeLoveChild
    When I meet folks like this Packer guy, and I have met many, I always, always help them double-down on their own belief system. If they tell me about "wait list" for kindergartners, I will make a passing remark about THAT VERY CONCEPT being part of the "privilege" problem and "such an upper class white thing"... If they tell me that their school is X percent black and how proud of it they are, for their children, I will make a passing comment that until their neighbors are that and more, it still gives their children "a distorted view of the global, diverse world we live in..." I will double it down for them, move goal posts, change goal posts and leave them feeling like racist bigots for not doing "yet even more"...and in the few cases I am challenged (the turnaround white self-haters like to do), I make sure to casually note that "well, I don't believe all that shit...plus...I'm (white, but) Hispanic and I want my kids around fellow Latinos...different rules for us ya know". They never know what to say, but their facial expressions make it clear they are mad that I am not required to live by the same rules...because privately they want all whites to suffer, while they privately do a series of work-arounds to avoid it themselves.

    They should never be made to feel satisfied with their own indulgence in all things political correct. Diversity is your strength I tell them...do more, try harder, virtue signal more...move, take a different job, put your kids in an all black HS...work in a soup kitchen. They should be driven mad by their own philosophical worldview and we should do the driving.

  22. OT (“When the Culture War Comes for the Kids Refugee Resettlement Watch“)

    Some people may know that the Chateau Heartiste blog was removed some time ago by WordPress, presumably for TOS violations (I’m not sure if he was ever given a specific reason; Heartiste can still be followed here, and on Gab).

    The fairly innocuous Refugee Resettlement Watch was apparently also recently taken down by WordPress:

    Refugee Resettlement Watch is back!!!

    I’m so excited to report that RRW has been reconstructed after it was removed without notice by my previous host—WordPress.com—two months ago.

    You have to admire the dedication of Ann Corcoran.

  23. @Lagertha
    It's a good article until he needs to get his 2 cents About #6 - his own- in to make sure his employers (or the check cutters) know that he is so not getting on the Trump/Metallica train! He is a sell-out. George Packer is a sad man of no balls bc he does not defend the idea that as a father, you defend and provide for your children.

    Someday his son will know his dad sold out to the Globalist elites, and the most putrid, in NYC. His son is white, so heaven help him. I am so ashamed of wusses like Packer who I had admired in the past.

    Just to put some reference: my brother got into Stuyvesant in 1971...but my parents were afraid we younger ones, may not ace the test - we were immigrants. So, we moved into a lovely town.

    https://youtu.be/tAGnKpE44NCl

    Trump supporters who think Trump is going to protect America remind me of the Jews welcoming the Soviet troops invading Poland in 1939.

    • Troll: Anonymousse
    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    Can you elaborate on that metaphor? The Soviet Union put Jews almost entirely in charge of Poland after WWII.

    http://mailstar.net/poland.html
    , @SFG
    The Jews were better off under the Soviets than the Nazis.

    It's an extremely low bar.
    , @J.Ross
    Can we have a "lazy" or "low energy" button? Or "Something Something NAZIS."
    , @Lagertha
    But, they fear that the USA is controlled by the Jews - of course that will never be said. Their sons and daughters have been fighting useless and stupid wars in AFG, Irq/ SYr/ Lib/IRAN/YEMEN for 20 years.......so like, I hate these people who support any war in the ME. Fuck you and your fat middle ass ass.
  24. @South Texas Guy
    Packer is a weird egg. It seems wants to play like he took the 'red pill' by apparently moving a few degrees to the right. But he is still, and probably will forever be, a dyed in the wool lefty.

    Cultural lefties view that as being a large part of their identity, and there's no talking them out of it. Sure, he notes his fellow travellers take note of the woes of the working and middle classes that pop up disproportionately more than in the upper classes, but there's no way in Hell they'd ever deviate from their clannish behavior, let alone voting patterns, to help alleviate some of the problems of people a few rungs below them on the ladder. To paraphrase a former president, it's not who they are.

    It's not quite the same, but it's like talking to black people about politics (stipulating that they are working and bills paying blacks). Many will check off every or most every cultural and political tenet on the right (guns, religion, education, taxes), but would never, ever consider voting Republican. Democrat is just who they are (the TV show 'Blackish' had an episode about this) (and yes, I occasionally watch 'Blackish.' Scripted shows centering on Blacks give Whites a window into that world you don't normally see).

    The GOP no longer has an ethical core.. Why would ex-Leftists want to support a party that has no values other than accumulating material wealth? A party that justifies any behavior as long you are on the winning side of the transaction?

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Because prog-lefties ranking virtue-signaling just ahead of accumulating material wealth are far superior...
    , @South Texas Guy
    I see your point, however, I'd say the GOP is still the more morally upright party. In fact, being too nice (that is to say, be like the Bush's and just turn the other cheek to vile insults and lies) over the past several decades is what led to a lot of this crap now.

    As far as doing anything to win, I'm not advocating a full-on Dem-like approach; lies and skullduggery - witness RussiaGate- but I am saying that politics is like a back alley knife fight. If your opponent pulls a blade and you get all hoity-toity and say 'I'm not going to lower myself to his level,' and not pull your own, you're going to lose.
  25. @Mr McKenna
    Someone explain this judge to me? Esformes gave away some of the money he stole from taxpayers, so he's a good guy? If the billions he stole was just a minority of the money he made, how much did he really make in total? And how?

    BTW, Esformes is also implicated in the college admissions scandal.


    Medicaid fraud legend Philip Esformes sentenced to 20 years for $1.3 billion+ fraud

    "In arguing for a 30-year sentence, prosecutors said his yearslong bribes-for-patients schemes involved the corruption of medical professionals and government regulators, and entailed grievous injuries to a massive number of elderly patients.

    “Miami is the epicenter of health care fraud, there was no one like Philip Esformes--he was king,” prosecutor Allan J. Medina told the judge in court Thursday.

    Judge Scola meted out a punishment significantly less than the 30 years prosecutors requested, saying Esformes also had an extraordinary history of helping people in need. Attorneys for Esformes had described him as a selfless philanthropist who had donated more than $15 million to synagogues, schools and individuals...

    Said Scola: “I think he should get some consideration for his philanthropy, although it’s dangerous to say because he was stealing money from Medicare, so people might say he was giving that money to charity. But the vast majority of the money he made, he made legitimately. More importantly he was a true friend to people known and unknown to him, and that is worthy of mitigation."

    Esformes told the judge he was studying the Torah and praying for redemption. “I won’t miss that opportunity,” he said.


    https://www.chicagotribune.com/investigations/ct-philip-esformes-sentenced-nursing-home-fraud-20190912-cumxa7wwb5do7iekg32h2o5thy-story.html

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6891333/Florida-businessman-convicted-1B-Medicare-fraud-case.html


     

    Forgetting the grounds for mitigation given: is this guy dangerous? — would you be worried about encountering him on a dark street? — he’s not a violent criminal, so why lock him up for decades? — subject him to a big fine or asset seizure to recover (proven) ill-gotten gains, then put him back on the street after a few token years behind bars — it’s not as if he’s likely to re-offend.

    And note: One of Esformes’ defense attorneys, Roy Black, focused on the fact that the jury was hung on the indictment’s main conspiracy count of defrauding the Medicare program. … “For three years, they [prosecutors] have touted this case as a $1 billion healthcare fraud and they failed to prove it,” Black said. … “The jury was unable to reach a verdict on that and several other counts; however, they did obviously find him guilty of a number [of other counts],” Black added. “It’s certainly a mixed bag.”

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    Actually, I agree. Miscreants like Esformes and the Sacklers should be made to give up their fortunes, which for the likes of them ought to be punishment enough.

    Or is it? I had this discussion with friend who is a federal prosecutor, and who to my eyes is dying to lock up everyone in sight. "Our prisons are already overcrowded," I argued. "It works as a deterrent," he responded.

    And complicating the discussion is the fact that you can try to divest people like the Sacklers of their ill-gotten gains, but the super-rich are very good at hiding their wealth.

    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/461362-ny-ag-uncovers-1-billion-in-sackler-family-wire-transfers-report

  26. @Achmed E. Newman
    Now, I just read through that last big except. This guy is no ordinary NY City hypocrite virtue-signaller. He is damn near nuts! Thinking that who is the US President is the biggest thing in our lives, and that the kids are not adventurous enough by wanting to live as normal girls and boys is nuts, but it gets worse.

    Mr. Packer is a child abuser. Keeping his kids under his worldview and in a school with this kind of sick stupidity going on is doing long-term damage to these kids. What a sick way to attempt to raise a functioning adult.

    I've got Chairman Mao on the land line. 1960's Red China could really use a guy like you, George Packer!

    Achmed E. Newman wrote:

    Mr. Packer is a child abuser. Keeping his kids under his worldview and in a school with this kind of sick stupidity going on is doing long-term damage to these kids. What a sick way to attempt to raise a functioning adult.

    Well:

    [I]n one middle-school hallway a picture was posted of a card that said, “Uh-oh! Your privilege is showing. You’ve received this card because your privilege just allowed you to make a comment that others cannot agree or relate to. Check your privilege.” The card had boxes to be marked, like a scorecard, next to “White,” “Christian,” “Heterosexual,” “Able-bodied,” “Citizen.” (Our son struck the school off his list)…

    Our son reported that his classmates, without any collective decision, had simply gone back to the old system, regardless of the new signage: Boys were using the former boys’ rooms, girls the former girls’ rooms… [T]hey found a way around this difficulty that the grown-ups had introduced into their lives. It was a quiet plea to be left alone. …

    Packer sees that the kids are rebelling: the kids, on their own, re-established gender-based restrooms. Hi son “struck the school [that was pushing the idiotic “Check your privilege” meme] off his list)…”

    Human nature struck back against progressivism among the kids..

    “A little child shall lead them.” It was after all a child who pointed out that the emperor had no clothes.

    Someday, they will grow up and sweep aside this evil, corrupt, inhuman, bureaucratic, soul-destroying society that progressives have created.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    In the elementary school, I don't see it as the kids rebelling, Dave. The little ones like orderliness and routine. They like to come home to the same 2 normal parents, go to bed after 1/2 hour of horseplay, and use the same bathrooms in the same way they always did at school. For the teenagers, well that's my kind of rebellion! I like it!

    I like your Biblical line in this context too. The children may point out the obvious, but the question is, how long will they be allowed to? They are still pretty malleable at these ages, and if the parents don't mold them with an understanding of human nature and common sense, and instead, push the stupidity toward the peak, then these are terrible, sick parents.
    , @Pierre de Craon
    "Someday, they will grow up and sweep aside this evil, corrupt, inhuman, bureaucratic, soul-destroying society that progressives have created."

    No, they won't, alas. Remember that these aren't kids, they're (((kids))). If they haven't done so already, they will soon pick up from their parents the technique of exempting themselves from every rule and every sanction that they enforce upon plain-vanilla others.
    , @Desiderius
    Indeed.

    That’s what they’re for, and why mortality exists.
  27. “Far below they see a dim world of processed food, obesity, divorce, addiction, online-education scams, stagnant wages, outsourcing, rising morbidity rates—and they pledge to do whatever they can to keep their children from falling.”

    That most chilling of progressive nightmares, raising a brood of soon-to-be deplorables!

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @Lagertha
    this is who I am fighting for.
  28. No wonder these people only have one child. Parenthood must be joyless for these people.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    The author actually has 2 kids.

    There are NYC schools that aren’t quite as bad as the one depicted. Not much indoctrination, mostly focused on the State math and English test prep. Not as diverse or race-mixed as the stats in the article. It gets more mixed for middle school. Like Wagner in the East 70s, which is still 53% white, 18% Asian, 16% Hispanic, 7% black, 5% other (like what, Aleut?). That’s fewer blacks then I went to middle school with in Montclair, NJ in the 1970s. I got bused to a blacker area. There were issues but you dealt with it as a kid.

    That’s my daughter’s default school. She’s 10 and we are applying to middle schools now. We’d like to avoid Wagner. Although it’s 2 blocks away. I’d think it’s ok. My Latvian wife says no. School makes race realists of most parents.

    Of course Carranza and the DOE may start mixing it up more. At some point may need to decamp to the ‘burbs. We have 3 kids, 10, 5 and 3, a girl and 2 boys. All kids sharing a bedroom. Paying more than we should. Gotta get that partition wall up soon. The wife is scouting out 3 bedrooms. One trick is you can move out of a zone once the youngest one is in kindergarten, then they are locked in the school.

    Don’t blame all New Yorkers (not saying you did Rosie). We aren’t all nuts. It isn’t for everyone. I’ve been in the metro area since the ‘60s (my older sisters were born in nyc but my parents moved to NJ in ‘64, back to nyc in ‘85), and I moved here in ‘87 and never left. My wife wants to move to California. Good lord, outta the frying pan...one of the few places where I’d get no cost of living dividend by moving. I hear the weather is nice.
  29. “38 percent white, 29 percent black, 24 percent Latino, 7 percent Asian.”

    You have already lost. How can you even survive 30% black without 3 times a week 2h courses in dirty fighting?

    A few weeks after the election, our daughter asked if Trump could break our family apart. She must have gotten the idea from overhearing a conversation about threats to undocumented immigrants. We told her that we were lucky—we had rights as citizens that he couldn’t take away. I decided to sit down with the kids and read the Bill of Rights together. Not all of it made sense, but they got the basic idea—the president wasn’t King George III, the Constitution was stronger than Trump, certain principles had not been abolished—and they seemed reassured.

    Since then it has become harder to retain faith in these truths.

    Our daughter said that she hated being a child, because she felt helpless to do anything. The day after the inauguration, my wife took her to the Women’s March in Midtown Manhattan. She made a sign that said we have power too, and at the march she sang the one protest song she knew, “We Shall Overcome.” For days afterward she marched around the house shouting, “Show me what democracy looks like!”

    These people have fallen into some kind of Event Horizon, trying to defend their freedom from behind their self-built reeducation camp.

    Watching your children grow up gives you a startlingly vivid image of the world you’re going to leave them. I can’t say I’m sanguine. Some days the image fills me with dread. That pragmatic genius for which Americans used to be known and admired, which included a talent for educating our young—how did it desert us? Now we’re stewing in anxiety and anger, feverish with bad ideas, too absorbed in our own failures to spare our children. But one day the fever will break, and by then they’ll be grown, and they will have to discover for themselves how to live together in a country that gives every child an equal chance.

    Fear your children, because they might Holocaust you mercilessly.

  30. @eah
    Forgetting the grounds for mitigation given: is this guy dangerous? -- would you be worried about encountering him on a dark street? -- he's not a violent criminal, so why lock him up for decades? -- subject him to a big fine or asset seizure to recover (proven) ill-gotten gains, then put him back on the street after a few token years behind bars -- it's not as if he's likely to re-offend.

    And note: One of Esformes’ defense attorneys, Roy Black, focused on the fact that the jury was hung on the indictment’s main conspiracy count of defrauding the Medicare program. ... “For three years, they [prosecutors] have touted this case as a $1 billion healthcare fraud and they failed to prove it,” Black said. ... “The jury was unable to reach a verdict on that and several other counts; however, they did obviously find him guilty of a number [of other counts],” Black added. “It’s certainly a mixed bag.”

    Actually, I agree. Miscreants like Esformes and the Sacklers should be made to give up their fortunes, which for the likes of them ought to be punishment enough.

    Or is it? I had this discussion with friend who is a federal prosecutor, and who to my eyes is dying to lock up everyone in sight. “Our prisons are already overcrowded,” I argued. “It works as a deterrent,” he responded.

    And complicating the discussion is the fact that you can try to divest people like the Sacklers of their ill-gotten gains, but the super-rich are very good at hiding their wealth.

    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/461362-ny-ag-uncovers-1-billion-in-sackler-family-wire-transfers-report

    • Replies: @notsaying
    There's nothing I know of like prison except prison.

    I think we've made a big mistake for a long time by letting the rich and powerful wiggle out of the prison time they deserve. Fines don't seem to be very big for individuals or corporations even when terrible things were done by the defendants. Your point about finding all the money is correct and I think your prosecutor friend is right too.

    I'm glad Mr. Esformes is going to spend 20 years in prison.

    I wish the immigration laws were changed so that employers could be criminally accountable for using illegal immigrants. I'd love to see some employers in prison, then maybe we'd see more cheap labor employers find a new love for American workers.
  31. @Mr McKenna
    Someone explain this judge to me? Esformes gave away some of the money he stole from taxpayers, so he's a good guy? If the billions he stole was just a minority of the money he made, how much did he really make in total? And how?

    BTW, Esformes is also implicated in the college admissions scandal.


    Medicaid fraud legend Philip Esformes sentenced to 20 years for $1.3 billion+ fraud

    "In arguing for a 30-year sentence, prosecutors said his yearslong bribes-for-patients schemes involved the corruption of medical professionals and government regulators, and entailed grievous injuries to a massive number of elderly patients.

    “Miami is the epicenter of health care fraud, there was no one like Philip Esformes--he was king,” prosecutor Allan J. Medina told the judge in court Thursday.

    Judge Scola meted out a punishment significantly less than the 30 years prosecutors requested, saying Esformes also had an extraordinary history of helping people in need. Attorneys for Esformes had described him as a selfless philanthropist who had donated more than $15 million to synagogues, schools and individuals...

    Said Scola: “I think he should get some consideration for his philanthropy, although it’s dangerous to say because he was stealing money from Medicare, so people might say he was giving that money to charity. But the vast majority of the money he made, he made legitimately. More importantly he was a true friend to people known and unknown to him, and that is worthy of mitigation."

    Esformes told the judge he was studying the Torah and praying for redemption. “I won’t miss that opportunity,” he said.


    https://www.chicagotribune.com/investigations/ct-philip-esformes-sentenced-nursing-home-fraud-20190912-cumxa7wwb5do7iekg32h2o5thy-story.html

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6891333/Florida-businessman-convicted-1B-Medicare-fraud-case.html


     

    The jury was unable to reach a verdict on the count of defrauding the government. What he was convicted of and sentenced for was a scheme to bribe medical professionals to refer patients to his nursing homes.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article228723399.html

    20 years where the prosecutor asked for 30 is on the somewhat harsh side; more often you’ll see a judge impose a sentence only half as harsh as the prosecutor recommends, if not even more lenient. Judge’s discretion aside, a decades long sentence is unusually harsh for white collar crime. Bear in mind there is no parole in Federal prison, so 20 years is 20 years.

  32. @Anon
    There are a few places in the piece where there is a whiff of a hint that his son has hooked up with the black kids and is picking up some bad influences. But no problemo.

    First of all, it’s not just black kids, it’s a multiethnic mix of kids, i.e., black kids and other delinquents, and some other white prey. And secondly, the wonderful influence of a multicultural school is great! Although he also mentions worrisome giant standardized testing “gaps” between the black kids and the white kids at the school. (An organized standardized testing boycott figures in another part of the narrative, resulting in no statistics for the school in city data.) The kid escapes into a better school at the end, although the next year the new open entry policy was going to happen: just in time, I guess!

    But the younger daughter is still in the school system. My money says she ends up in a private school before long.

    Apparently some new book decrying “meritocracy” was the elite’s hip summer read, so expect more self flagellation like this. What cracks me up is that all of this anti-meritocracy stuff, including this article itself, effectively admits that Charles Murray was right, standardized testing ID’d smart flyover kids who congregated in the Ivy League, assortatively married, and became a new elite. Give the guy credit by name!

    Ignored is the fact that the hereditary nature of upper class priviledge is probably mostly genetic, although Packer seems to think that the problem is that the parents of these tiny POC Einsteins are clueless buffoons who have no idea how the school system application process works and have no time to navigate it. If their kids could only get into the magic dirt schools, they would thrive (and not delinquentize the white kids). To the extent that there is any merit in that idea the new De Blasio reforms should fix things. I’m not holding my breath.

    But the younger daughter is still in the school system. My money says she ends up in a private school before long.

    She ends up in a private school before you reach the end of the article!

    We had faced this problem with our daughter, who was reading far ahead of her grade in kindergarten and begged her teacher for math problems to solve. When the school declined to accommodate her, and our applications to other public schools were unsuccessful, we transferred her to a new, STEM-focused private school rather than risk years of boredom. We regretted leaving the public-school system, and we were still wary of the competitive excesses of meritocracy, but we weren’t willing to abandon it altogether.

  33. What does the instruction “Check your privilege” mean? Possible answers:
    (1) Keep your privilege in check. You may gain some advantage by making use of your privilege, but please refrain from using it, or at least do not use it to its full.
    (2) Be aware of your privilege. When you make use of it, mentally check off that you are using it. I.e., do not make use of your privilege inadvertently, but use it in full awareness of doing so.
    (3) Something else. What?

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    I check my White Privilege regularly. When it’s low, I add a quart.
    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    What does it mean?

    It means "F!ck you, Whitey. F!ck you, American. We are here to steal your country from you, and we won't let you stop us."
    , @Jmaie
    3) It works to our advantage if we keep the populace cowed, and "check your privilege" is a handy way to make people feel guilty even though they've not committed any offense.
    , @flash memory
    It means "Live in fear."

    Constant low-level fear.
  34. @Anon
    There are a few places in the piece where there is a whiff of a hint that his son has hooked up with the black kids and is picking up some bad influences. But no problemo.

    First of all, it’s not just black kids, it’s a multiethnic mix of kids, i.e., black kids and other delinquents, and some other white prey. And secondly, the wonderful influence of a multicultural school is great! Although he also mentions worrisome giant standardized testing “gaps” between the black kids and the white kids at the school. (An organized standardized testing boycott figures in another part of the narrative, resulting in no statistics for the school in city data.) The kid escapes into a better school at the end, although the next year the new open entry policy was going to happen: just in time, I guess!

    But the younger daughter is still in the school system. My money says she ends up in a private school before long.

    Apparently some new book decrying “meritocracy” was the elite’s hip summer read, so expect more self flagellation like this. What cracks me up is that all of this anti-meritocracy stuff, including this article itself, effectively admits that Charles Murray was right, standardized testing ID’d smart flyover kids who congregated in the Ivy League, assortatively married, and became a new elite. Give the guy credit by name!

    Ignored is the fact that the hereditary nature of upper class priviledge is probably mostly genetic, although Packer seems to think that the problem is that the parents of these tiny POC Einsteins are clueless buffoons who have no idea how the school system application process works and have no time to navigate it. If their kids could only get into the magic dirt schools, they would thrive (and not delinquentize the white kids). To the extent that there is any merit in that idea the new De Blasio reforms should fix things. I’m not holding my breath.

    Apparently some new book decrying “meritocracy” was the elite’s hip summer read

    Meritocracy was originally a term of abuse and the originator was shocked how it was taken as a good. Essentially his critique was that a society run by people chosen purely on some metric that would surely never include virtue would potentially create a ruling class that would act a lot like the current ones in the West.

    If before you had an aristocracy, now you had a stratified place where every level of progression in society was aligned. You create a system without the ruling class having to defend their legitimacy. A system like today, a wonkocracy where ‘economists’ must always be right.

  35. @Auntie Analogue

    "When parents on the fortunate ledge of this chasm gaze down, vertigo stuns them. Far below they see a dim world of processed food, obesity, divorce, addiction, online-education scams, stagnant wages, outsourcing, rising morbidity rates—and they pledge to do whatever they can to keep their children from falling."
     
    Does Packer have the first clue that it was perpetual immigration and "outsourcing" that created that "chasm," the immigration and "outsourcing" that so painfully bloated the supply of labor, that overloaded the public schools with low human capital students, that created the tremendously overpopulated "dim world" on the low end of the Wealth Inequality Gulf?

    Does Packer have the first clue to how the massive increase in the imported populations of minorities made possible and fueled the "Wokeness" of anti-White hatred and left-liberal White Guilt?

    Do people such as Packer ever hear themselves talking the cluelessness that they talk?

    Bingo.

  36. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Thanks for highlighting this one, Steve.

    It's a good article. Given his background and context, Packer manages to work through many of the insanities of the education system in which he and his children are immersed.

    He in fact comes very close to really understanding:

    At times the new progressivism, for all its up-to-the-minuteness, carries a whiff of the 17th century, with heresy hunts and denunciations of sin and displays of self-mortification. The atmosphere of mental constriction in progressive milieus, the self-censorship and fear of public shaming, the intolerance of dissent—these are qualities of an illiberal politics.

    I asked myself if I was moving to the wrong side of a great moral cause because its tone was too loud, because it shook loose what I didn’t want to give up. It took me a long time to see that the new progressivism didn’t just carry my own politics further than I liked. It was actually hostile to principles without which I don’t believe democracy can survive. Liberals are always slow to realize that there can be friendly, idealistic people who have little use for liberal values.
     
    But I sense that he will never turn away from his faith in his own goodness, and the his belief that others like him deep down are good, too.

    It’s a small step actually from George Packer’s position to Jonathan Haidt’s claim, that immigration can well a threat to the functionality of society. In Haidt’s words: Immigration can cause centrifugal powers and thus cause danger for societies.

    Btw. – Haidt seems a bit uneasy lately and therefore even turned a little bit into a doomsayer in Australia, where he said, that as of now he can’t exclude, that the US might face a new Civil War.

    That might be over the top. But if I read Haidt’s Civil War warning as a wake-up cry of his, directed at those fellow liberals like George Packer, who are still a bit too reluctant to say and dig, what Haidt has understood about the dangers of immigration, then it sounds ok again.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    Dieter Kief wrote:

    Btw. – Haidt seems a bit uneasy lately and therefore even turned a little bit into a doomsayer in Australia, where he said, that as of now he can’t exclude, that the US might face a new Civil War.
     
    I wonder. Have you read Omar El Akkad's novel American War about a second Civil War late in this century?

    I picked it up from the library, curious to see how the author would handle his subject. El Akkad was born in Egypt, later immigrated to Canada, and now lives in Portland: I guessed he would be "politically correct" and hostile to Red State America.

    I guessed wrong: the book above all is about the dehumanizing effects of war, but the central US government comes across as much worse than the rebellious Southeast.

    And, unfortunately, the novel is an all-too-plausible extrapolation of the cultural divide now tearing the country apart.

    America has enormous strengths: hopefully, we will get beyond the present insanity.

    But, I am starting to worry.

  37. @Mr. Anon
    It would have been more succinct if he had just written that the school's faculty and most of the parents of its pupils are a bunch of deluded, sanctimonious a**holes.

    Yes, but he does write for The Atlantic, after all. Succinctness isn’t an option for him there.

  38. This school squared the hardest circle

    “you can square a circle in the same way you can make an egg stand on it’s end: by smashing it.” – Apocryphal

  39. @Anonymous

    Constantly checking your privilege is one way of not having to give it up.
     
    What is that supposed to mean?

    As long as you’re anti-white, anti-christian and anti-heterosexual, you can still be upper-class.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Pretty much. Woke is a nice way of keeping the left from focusing on tax rates.
  40. It did not seem like a moral victory for our children to grow up hating their species and themselves

    This is the world you and your useless kind strove for. Go cry to someone who can still muster a singular fuck for your whiny self-righteous ass.

    We regretted leaving the public-school system

    Disappointed that he wasn’t able to sacrifice his child for IPPs to crow about to people who hate him anyway. All that education and still a clueless maroon.

  41. where 4-year-olds who hear 21,000 words a day

    Don’t these people ever shut up?

    Finland has the highest test scores in the West, and they almost never open their mouths.

    The taciturn Finns – is there any truth to the stereotype?

    Two Finnish men, Jukka and Pekka, go ice fishing. They fish in silence for a long while and eventually Jukka asks “So how are things?” Pekka doesn’t answer and they continue fishing in silence for some more hours. Then Jukka asks, “So how is the family?” At this Pekka gets angry, stands, up and shouts “Did we come here to talk or to fish?!”

    … many people especially men need a few drinks in order to open up to strangers and talk, or to approach a woman. That’s why Latin men are very popular amongst Finnish women and Finnish men hate them. Haha!

    http://lost-trini.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-talkative-finns.html

    • Replies: @SFG
    What is Finland's immigration policy?
    , @CAL2
    It's like the recent article linked to at InstaPundit that 1/3 of families eat in silence. They were horrified. Talking a lot does not equal intelligence. Often there isn't that much to say.

    The Packer's are typical upper-middle class lefties. Once they see that they are getting what they say they want, they quickly rationalize, sadly, why they had to do something else. His daughter will end up a blue-haired SJW. The son will find a way to send Mom and Dad to the cheapest nursing home he can find and never see them again.
    , @Lagertha
    Finns are weird
    , @Lagertha
    It is both worst and aggressive (will pound your head) at the same time - Finns don't like strangers of any kind. We are incapable of "loving" new cultures. We are a "failed" state.
    , @Lagertha
    actually, let that be a lathe...sheesh, Reg, Why are you and Steve so questioning me? You have known me...a time....are you worried about something from my family? Otherwise- Life is unfair and we know it!
    , @Lagertha
    yah, slow to respond. But, yeah, contact you soon.
  42. The joke over here is that an American’s idea of culture is yoghurt.

  43. @Mr McKenna
    Someone explain this judge to me? Esformes gave away some of the money he stole from taxpayers, so he's a good guy? If the billions he stole was just a minority of the money he made, how much did he really make in total? And how?

    BTW, Esformes is also implicated in the college admissions scandal.


    Medicaid fraud legend Philip Esformes sentenced to 20 years for $1.3 billion+ fraud

    "In arguing for a 30-year sentence, prosecutors said his yearslong bribes-for-patients schemes involved the corruption of medical professionals and government regulators, and entailed grievous injuries to a massive number of elderly patients.

    “Miami is the epicenter of health care fraud, there was no one like Philip Esformes--he was king,” prosecutor Allan J. Medina told the judge in court Thursday.

    Judge Scola meted out a punishment significantly less than the 30 years prosecutors requested, saying Esformes also had an extraordinary history of helping people in need. Attorneys for Esformes had described him as a selfless philanthropist who had donated more than $15 million to synagogues, schools and individuals...

    Said Scola: “I think he should get some consideration for his philanthropy, although it’s dangerous to say because he was stealing money from Medicare, so people might say he was giving that money to charity. But the vast majority of the money he made, he made legitimately. More importantly he was a true friend to people known and unknown to him, and that is worthy of mitigation."

    Esformes told the judge he was studying the Torah and praying for redemption. “I won’t miss that opportunity,” he said.


    https://www.chicagotribune.com/investigations/ct-philip-esformes-sentenced-nursing-home-fraud-20190912-cumxa7wwb5do7iekg32h2o5thy-story.html

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6891333/Florida-businessman-convicted-1B-Medicare-fraud-case.html


     

    Studying the Torah? That’s how he got in this mess in the first place.

    • LOL: HammerJack
  44. @Dieter Kief
    It's a small step actually from George Packer's position to Jonathan Haidt's claim, that immigration can well a threat to the functionality of society. In Haidt's words: Immigration can cause centrifugal powers and thus cause danger for societies.

    Btw. - Haidt seems a bit uneasy lately and therefore even turned a little bit into a doomsayer in Australia, where he said, that as of now he can't exclude, that the US might face a new Civil War.

    That might be over the top. But if I read Haidt's Civil War warning as a wake-up cry of his, directed at those fellow liberals like George Packer, who are still a bit too reluctant to say and dig, what Haidt has understood about the dangers of immigration, then it sounds ok again.

    Dieter Kief wrote:

    Btw. – Haidt seems a bit uneasy lately and therefore even turned a little bit into a doomsayer in Australia, where he said, that as of now he can’t exclude, that the US might face a new Civil War.

    I wonder. Have you read Omar El Akkad’s novel American War about a second Civil War late in this century?

    I picked it up from the library, curious to see how the author would handle his subject. El Akkad was born in Egypt, later immigrated to Canada, and now lives in Portland: I guessed he would be “politically correct” and hostile to Red State America.

    I guessed wrong: the book above all is about the dehumanizing effects of war, but the central US government comes across as much worse than the rebellious Southeast.

    And, unfortunately, the novel is an all-too-plausible extrapolation of the cultural divide now tearing the country apart.

    America has enormous strengths: hopefully, we will get beyond the present insanity.

    But, I am starting to worry.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    Jonathan Haidt is part of the Scientific Avantgarde trying to prevent the US (and not only them) from more damage.

    The next reasonable move would be, that liberals like George Packer, who (I hope) do understand too, that a lot of damage is waiting down the road, make the same U-turn away from the popular neglection of the basic causes of the great damage (= no work and social deterioration for the Fishtown and Detroit etc. underclass and unrestricted immigration - this might well be the 21st century doom-formula).

    I'd prefer it, if Haidt kept basically cool and friendly, like Steve Sailer does, but his new alarmist tone is a minor quibble.

    The novel you mention by Omar El Akkad is interesting - I'll have a look at it.
    , @Bitfu
    America has enormous strengths: hopefully, we will get beyond the present insanity.

    You need to get back to your training, Physicist Dave. In assessing whether America will get beyond the present insanity, let's do an Einstein-ian Thought Experiment:

    It's 1940, and you're on the shores of Puget Sound. A storm is a brewin', and the winds are really gusting. You look up at the Tacoma Narrows Bridge admiring this bulwark of engineering prowess.

    But something seems amiss. Did you just notice an unnatural movement in the suspension bride's concrete? Perhaps....seconds pass...and this anomaly reveals itself as full-scale undulation. At this point, the bridge is no longer a solid structure. No, it's a wave---a wave of undulating concrete.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFzu6CNtqec

    FULL STOP.

    We're back in 2019 now, and we're at the same inflection point. We ARE that undulating wave of concrete. How would a physicist with super-hero powers have saved that bridge at that moment in time? Since physics is so fundamental, it's oft used and abused as a metaphor. I'll take the risk: Can you extend those bridge-saving principles to 2019?

    Unfortunately, I think undulating concrete passes some critical threshold for remediation. I don't think any power (or principle) in the universe would have been able to save that bridge.

    But there is an upside to this doom and gloom. Once the bridge fell, sanity returned Puget Sound.
    , @Whiskey
    Civil War is coming! Beto will send cops and soldiers door to door to take guns and have Reginald Denny day everyday for White men.

    In addition a cartel is likely to simply take over California and perhaps Texas.

  45. At the root of all this is inequality—and inequality produces a host of morbid symptoms, including a frantic scramble for status among members of a professional class

    Something tells me this isn’t the problem at the private schools in Kentucky…

    https://www.covcath.org/admissions/admissions-process

  46. “‘What good are people for besides destroying everything’, he asked”. It sounds like destroying all the adults at that school would be a good start, actually.

  47. @Mr McKenna
    Someone explain this judge to me? Esformes gave away some of the money he stole from taxpayers, so he's a good guy? If the billions he stole was just a minority of the money he made, how much did he really make in total? And how?

    BTW, Esformes is also implicated in the college admissions scandal.


    Medicaid fraud legend Philip Esformes sentenced to 20 years for $1.3 billion+ fraud

    "In arguing for a 30-year sentence, prosecutors said his yearslong bribes-for-patients schemes involved the corruption of medical professionals and government regulators, and entailed grievous injuries to a massive number of elderly patients.

    “Miami is the epicenter of health care fraud, there was no one like Philip Esformes--he was king,” prosecutor Allan J. Medina told the judge in court Thursday.

    Judge Scola meted out a punishment significantly less than the 30 years prosecutors requested, saying Esformes also had an extraordinary history of helping people in need. Attorneys for Esformes had described him as a selfless philanthropist who had donated more than $15 million to synagogues, schools and individuals...

    Said Scola: “I think he should get some consideration for his philanthropy, although it’s dangerous to say because he was stealing money from Medicare, so people might say he was giving that money to charity. But the vast majority of the money he made, he made legitimately. More importantly he was a true friend to people known and unknown to him, and that is worthy of mitigation."

    Esformes told the judge he was studying the Torah and praying for redemption. “I won’t miss that opportunity,” he said.


    https://www.chicagotribune.com/investigations/ct-philip-esformes-sentenced-nursing-home-fraud-20190912-cumxa7wwb5do7iekg32h2o5thy-story.html

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6891333/Florida-businessman-convicted-1B-Medicare-fraud-case.html


     

    Esformes told the judge he was studying the Torah and praying for redemption.

    Lol, whoops! Always read the article to the end.

    I wonder what charities this philanthropist preferred? Chabad?

  48. @PhysicistDave
    Dieter Kief wrote:

    Btw. – Haidt seems a bit uneasy lately and therefore even turned a little bit into a doomsayer in Australia, where he said, that as of now he can’t exclude, that the US might face a new Civil War.
     
    I wonder. Have you read Omar El Akkad's novel American War about a second Civil War late in this century?

    I picked it up from the library, curious to see how the author would handle his subject. El Akkad was born in Egypt, later immigrated to Canada, and now lives in Portland: I guessed he would be "politically correct" and hostile to Red State America.

    I guessed wrong: the book above all is about the dehumanizing effects of war, but the central US government comes across as much worse than the rebellious Southeast.

    And, unfortunately, the novel is an all-too-plausible extrapolation of the cultural divide now tearing the country apart.

    America has enormous strengths: hopefully, we will get beyond the present insanity.

    But, I am starting to worry.

    Jonathan Haidt is part of the Scientific Avantgarde trying to prevent the US (and not only them) from more damage.

    The next reasonable move would be, that liberals like George Packer, who (I hope) do understand too, that a lot of damage is waiting down the road, make the same U-turn away from the popular neglection of the basic causes of the great damage (= no work and social deterioration for the Fishtown and Detroit etc. underclass and unrestricted immigration – this might well be the 21st century doom-formula).

    I’d prefer it, if Haidt kept basically cool and friendly, like Steve Sailer does, but his new alarmist tone is a minor quibble.

    The novel you mention by Omar El Akkad is interesting – I’ll have a look at it.

  49. @BenKenobi
    I live in a gentrified neighbourhood in downtown Vancouver and you basically need to bring your first fetal ultrasound image to the school to get a good spot in a kindergarten wait list.

    …to get a good spot in a kindergarten wait list.

    Somewhat weird, since curriculum and good enough teachers are fungible items.

    New churches; new bars; new music bands; new hospitals of equal or higher quality than extant ones are started all the time. Good kindergarten should be amenable to the same scaling factors.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Replies: @Lara
    I think the intense competition is to get into a good public school kindergarten. If you can't, then you are stuck paying a lot of money for a private school kindergarten.
    , @Anonymousse
    A good school is one that good students go to and a bad school is one that bad students go to. Everyone here is aware of this most elementary of hatefacts yes?

    Given the demographic trends (that the article’s author no doubt cheers!) there are proportionately less “good schools” available every day. You can’t start “a new one” any more than you can start a new neodymium mine in your backyard.

  50. @Anonymous

    Constantly checking your privilege is one way of not having to give it up.
     
    What is that supposed to mean?

    It means it’s a way of covering up the fact that you’re disgustingly rich.

    If you say “I’m a bad person because I’m white, able-bodied, heterosexual, cis, and Christian” (to use the example in the article), you can make up for that by going on about how awful you are and how sensitive you have to be.

    If you say “I’m a bad person because I’m rich”, someone can say, “Well, then, why don’t you pay higher taxes?”

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    I like the way you think.

    Encouraging ethnic conflict is a way for the elites to consolidate their power by having the rest of us fight among ourselves. An. Egyptian I know says Sunni, Shia and Copts all more or less got along for centuries, until the elite thought it better they fight among each other.

    Mass immigration is a great way to ensure ethnic conflict for a very long time, while the rich cry crocodile tears all the way to the bank.
  51. The only positive thing about all this is that it must be creating future voters for people like Trump, Orban, Salvini, and Bolsonaro among the children of the white liberal elites.

  52. @Reg Cæsar

    where 4-year-olds who hear 21,000 words a day
     
    Don't these people ever shut up?

    Finland has the highest test scores in the West, and they almost never open their mouths.


    The taciturn Finns – is there any truth to the stereotype?


    Two Finnish men, Jukka and Pekka, go ice fishing. They fish in silence for a long while and eventually Jukka asks "So how are things?" Pekka doesn't answer and they continue fishing in silence for some more hours. Then Jukka asks, "So how is the family?" At this Pekka gets angry, stands, up and shouts "Did we come here to talk or to fish?!"


    ... many people especially men need a few drinks in order to open up to strangers and talk, or to approach a woman. That's why Latin men are very popular amongst Finnish women and Finnish men hate them. Haha!

    http://lost-trini.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-talkative-finns.html
     
    https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/finnish-nightmares-introvert-comics-karoliina-korhonen-45-57cff95864c88__700.jpg

    What is Finland’s immigration policy?

  53. I liked the bit near the end about how the black kids were selling N-word passes to the white kids.

    I could get rich selling antisemitism passes.

  54. @Digital Samizdat
    As long as you're anti-white, anti-christian and anti-heterosexual, you can still be upper-class.

    Pretty much. Woke is a nice way of keeping the left from focusing on tax rates.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    ....effective tax rates. FIFY.
  55. @Rosie
    No wonder these people only have one child. Parenthood must be joyless for these people.

    The author actually has 2 kids.

    There are NYC schools that aren’t quite as bad as the one depicted. Not much indoctrination, mostly focused on the State math and English test prep. Not as diverse or race-mixed as the stats in the article. It gets more mixed for middle school. Like Wagner in the East 70s, which is still 53% white, 18% Asian, 16% Hispanic, 7% black, 5% other (like what, Aleut?). That’s fewer blacks then I went to middle school with in Montclair, NJ in the 1970s. I got bused to a blacker area. There were issues but you dealt with it as a kid.

    That’s my daughter’s default school. She’s 10 and we are applying to middle schools now. We’d like to avoid Wagner. Although it’s 2 blocks away. I’d think it’s ok. My Latvian wife says no. School makes race realists of most parents.

    Of course Carranza and the DOE may start mixing it up more. At some point may need to decamp to the ‘burbs. We have 3 kids, 10, 5 and 3, a girl and 2 boys. All kids sharing a bedroom. Paying more than we should. Gotta get that partition wall up soon. The wife is scouting out 3 bedrooms. One trick is you can move out of a zone once the youngest one is in kindergarten, then they are locked in the school.

    Don’t blame all New Yorkers (not saying you did Rosie). We aren’t all nuts. It isn’t for everyone. I’ve been in the metro area since the ‘60s (my older sisters were born in nyc but my parents moved to NJ in ‘64, back to nyc in ‘85), and I moved here in ‘87 and never left. My wife wants to move to California. Good lord, outta the frying pan…one of the few places where I’d get no cost of living dividend by moving. I hear the weather is nice.

    • Replies: @Mike O
    "I hear the weather is nice."

    It's very nice.
  56. @Reg Cæsar

    where 4-year-olds who hear 21,000 words a day
     
    Don't these people ever shut up?

    Finland has the highest test scores in the West, and they almost never open their mouths.


    The taciturn Finns – is there any truth to the stereotype?


    Two Finnish men, Jukka and Pekka, go ice fishing. They fish in silence for a long while and eventually Jukka asks "So how are things?" Pekka doesn't answer and they continue fishing in silence for some more hours. Then Jukka asks, "So how is the family?" At this Pekka gets angry, stands, up and shouts "Did we come here to talk or to fish?!"


    ... many people especially men need a few drinks in order to open up to strangers and talk, or to approach a woman. That's why Latin men are very popular amongst Finnish women and Finnish men hate them. Haha!

    http://lost-trini.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-talkative-finns.html
     
    https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/finnish-nightmares-introvert-comics-karoliina-korhonen-45-57cff95864c88__700.jpg

    It’s like the recent article linked to at InstaPundit that 1/3 of families eat in silence. They were horrified. Talking a lot does not equal intelligence. Often there isn’t that much to say.

    The Packer’s are typical upper-middle class lefties. Once they see that they are getting what they say they want, they quickly rationalize, sadly, why they had to do something else. His daughter will end up a blue-haired SJW. The son will find a way to send Mom and Dad to the cheapest nursing home he can find and never see them again.

  57. @PhysicistDave
    Dieter Kief wrote:

    Btw. – Haidt seems a bit uneasy lately and therefore even turned a little bit into a doomsayer in Australia, where he said, that as of now he can’t exclude, that the US might face a new Civil War.
     
    I wonder. Have you read Omar El Akkad's novel American War about a second Civil War late in this century?

    I picked it up from the library, curious to see how the author would handle his subject. El Akkad was born in Egypt, later immigrated to Canada, and now lives in Portland: I guessed he would be "politically correct" and hostile to Red State America.

    I guessed wrong: the book above all is about the dehumanizing effects of war, but the central US government comes across as much worse than the rebellious Southeast.

    And, unfortunately, the novel is an all-too-plausible extrapolation of the cultural divide now tearing the country apart.

    America has enormous strengths: hopefully, we will get beyond the present insanity.

    But, I am starting to worry.

    America has enormous strengths: hopefully, we will get beyond the present insanity.

    You need to get back to your training, Physicist Dave. In assessing whether America will get beyond the present insanity, let’s do an Einstein-ian Thought Experiment:

    It’s 1940, and you’re on the shores of Puget Sound. A storm is a brewin’, and the winds are really gusting. You look up at the Tacoma Narrows Bridge admiring this bulwark of engineering prowess.

    But something seems amiss. Did you just notice an unnatural movement in the suspension bride’s concrete? Perhaps….seconds pass…and this anomaly reveals itself as full-scale undulation. At this point, the bridge is no longer a solid structure. No, it’s a wave—a wave of undulating concrete.

    FULL STOP.

    We’re back in 2019 now, and we’re at the same inflection point. We ARE that undulating wave of concrete. How would a physicist with super-hero powers have saved that bridge at that moment in time? Since physics is so fundamental, it’s oft used and abused as a metaphor. I’ll take the risk: Can you extend those bridge-saving principles to 2019?

    Unfortunately, I think undulating concrete passes some critical threshold for remediation. I don’t think any power (or principle) in the universe would have been able to save that bridge.

    But there is an upside to this doom and gloom. Once the bridge fell, sanity returned Puget Sound.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    We are that man stranded on the bridge. Here he is:

    https://youtu.be/nFzu6CNtqec?t=99

    He's strolling off the bridge slowly and calmly, like he's walking in the park, holding his smoking pipe, while the bridge oscillates wildly under his feet. Doesn't he know that he is in mortal danger? He is that oblivious? We want to shout to him, "Run, motherf-er, run! Move your ass if you want to save your life!" but he is deaf to our cries.
    , @JoeEngineer
    I never tire of watching that video, but actually the winds aren't really gusting that hard. You can see at about 1:08 that the men walking are wearing hats, and they don't even need to hold them to keep them on their heads.

    This is a classic example of a cyclic force applied at a resonance frequency. It wasn't high wind speeds that brought down the bridge; it was that the wind gusts just happened to be blowing at a frequency that corresponded to the natural resonance frequency of that bridge span. The best analogy to make is that of pushing someone on a swing. We intuitively know when to apply force to the swing to match the resonance frequency of the swing, so that every push sends the swing higher.

    That bridge was a suspension bridge, so the bridge span is effectively a swing, and the wind gusts were blowing at a frequency that perfectly matched the resonance frequency of the bridge span. Every wind gust added to the energy in the system, resulting in undulation and collapse.

    This doesn't diminish your point. There's no fixing America at this point in time.
    , @Yngvar
    The Tacoma Narrows Bridge collapsed because the deck had been fastened at the towers (suspenders). The bridge was no longer hanging fully suspended or allowed to move as it was supposed to do. It was a construction error not a engineering flaw. It was doomed from the start.

    The Decline of the Abendlandes - design flaw or error in assembly?
  58. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Thanks for highlighting this one, Steve.

    It's a good article. Given his background and context, Packer manages to work through many of the insanities of the education system in which he and his children are immersed.

    He in fact comes very close to really understanding:

    At times the new progressivism, for all its up-to-the-minuteness, carries a whiff of the 17th century, with heresy hunts and denunciations of sin and displays of self-mortification. The atmosphere of mental constriction in progressive milieus, the self-censorship and fear of public shaming, the intolerance of dissent—these are qualities of an illiberal politics.

    I asked myself if I was moving to the wrong side of a great moral cause because its tone was too loud, because it shook loose what I didn’t want to give up. It took me a long time to see that the new progressivism didn’t just carry my own politics further than I liked. It was actually hostile to principles without which I don’t believe democracy can survive. Liberals are always slow to realize that there can be friendly, idealistic people who have little use for liberal values.
     
    But I sense that he will never turn away from his faith in his own goodness, and the his belief that others like him deep down are good, too.

    For all his navel gazing he votes exactly like the wokest and supports all the people and institutions that chase the rest of us around with pitchforks for so much as noticing things like the recent Minnesota “teen brawl”.

    He just wants some separate acknowledgment for being so reflective and self aware… all while helping inflict much worse things than “privilege cards” on the rest of us and on OUR children.

    He’s upset about the minor imposition on his feeling of wellbeing, but just you tell him your neighborhood is overrun with section 8 and you have to sell your house at a loss or your kids are liable to get randomly assaulted in the classroom (of course they wouldn’t be stupid enough to be on the STREET).

    See how much sympathy he has for the real problems of all these “backwards” “racist” red state types whose experience of diversity doesn’t come from watching Hamilton.

    To hell with him.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    Packer and his ilk spent decades partying, wrecking the building we all live in and setting it on fire. Now that a long hard winter is coming they are complaining that the place is starting to feel a bit drafty, and the rain comes in.
    Zero sympathy for these vipers.
  59. @bomag

    ...to get a good spot in a kindergarten wait list.
     
    Somewhat weird, since curriculum and good enough teachers are fungible items.

    New churches; new bars; new music bands; new hospitals of equal or higher quality than extant ones are started all the time. Good kindergarten should be amenable to the same scaling factors.

    I think the intense competition is to get into a good public school kindergarten. If you can’t, then you are stuck paying a lot of money for a private school kindergarten.

  60. Palo Alto is “egalitarian” in the same way Eton was meant to be.

    Let’s everyone learn to speak the same RP bc were all equals here *among the elite* who are obliged to run the empire

  61. @bomag

    ...to get a good spot in a kindergarten wait list.
     
    Somewhat weird, since curriculum and good enough teachers are fungible items.

    New churches; new bars; new music bands; new hospitals of equal or higher quality than extant ones are started all the time. Good kindergarten should be amenable to the same scaling factors.

    A good school is one that good students go to and a bad school is one that bad students go to. Everyone here is aware of this most elementary of hatefacts yes?

    Given the demographic trends (that the article’s author no doubt cheers!) there are proportionately less “good schools” available every day. You can’t start “a new one” any more than you can start a new neodymium mine in your backyard.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    But, there are more good colleges than in the past.
    A larger population, more foreign students and the descendants of well educated immigrants take care of that.

    You are right about good students making up a good school. I went to a good college. Some of my classmates included several future top scientists, a guy who later started a billion dollar company and a future US senator. Those students would have succeeded at any college. As the saying goes, it’s the Indian, not the arrow.
  62. The couple should be pre-emptively arrested for possession of a weapon of mass destruction–i.e. their own potentially explosive cognitive dissonance.

  63. When?

    I was under the impression the Culture War had come for the kids decades ago. Only the intensity has grown.

    • Replies: @Achilles Wannabe
    It did. I had a little talk with a new class parent's kid 25 years ago. He was 10 going on 40 with every minute of his ever so goal oriented life accounted for by his parents. This began with the educated Boomer's having children
  64. “ His latest book is a biography of diplomat Richard Holbrooke.”

    Are there more than five people on earth that would waste the time reading such a thing?

    Or is this just the usual Jewish log rolling that goes on in our media?

    • LOL: William Badwhite
    • Replies: @Achilles Wannabe
    HOw much of this entire way of life and child rearing is Jewish?
    , @William Badwhite

    Are there more than five people on earth that would waste the time reading such a thing?
     
    That's pretty funny. I read a lot and sometimes have to poke around (or take suggestions from various commenters here; many thanks to whoever it was that recommended Payne's "The Spanish Civil War") for what to read next, but if it came down to "a biography of diplomat Richard Holbrooke"...I think I'd binge watch "Empire" with Juicy Mullett or maybe just wash my eyes with bleach. I think I'd rather read the memoirs of some random GS-9 at the Department of Agriculture.
  65. “Our daughter wasn’t immune to the heavy mood—she came home from school one day and expressed a wish not to be white so that she wouldn’t have slavery on her conscience. It did not seem like a moral victory for our children to grow up hating their species and themselves.”

    People do not seem to understand the full scale of the backlash that they are fostering by creating children who think this way. Eventually, nearly every person gets tired of being told that they should hate themselves, and rebels, but with a newly invigorated sense of group consciousness. And this attitude of contempt isn’t just being forced on marginal working class whites; these are children of elites in New York.

    Politics five to ten years from now are going to be wild.

  66. Does it ever occur to the yo-yos shelling out a ton of money for private schools, that for the same amount of money you can hire a private tutor for your kid?

  67. @SFG
    It means it's a way of covering up the fact that you're disgustingly rich.

    If you say "I'm a bad person because I'm white, able-bodied, heterosexual, cis, and Christian" (to use the example in the article), you can make up for that by going on about how awful you are and how sensitive you have to be.

    If you say "I'm a bad person because I'm rich", someone can say, "Well, then, why don't you pay higher taxes?"

    I like the way you think.

    Encouraging ethnic conflict is a way for the elites to consolidate their power by having the rest of us fight among ourselves. An. Egyptian I know says Sunni, Shia and Copts all more or less got along for centuries, until the elite thought it better they fight among each other.

    Mass immigration is a great way to ensure ethnic conflict for a very long time, while the rich cry crocodile tears all the way to the bank.

    • Agree: TomSchmidt
  68. @Anonymousse
    A good school is one that good students go to and a bad school is one that bad students go to. Everyone here is aware of this most elementary of hatefacts yes?

    Given the demographic trends (that the article’s author no doubt cheers!) there are proportionately less “good schools” available every day. You can’t start “a new one” any more than you can start a new neodymium mine in your backyard.

    But, there are more good colleges than in the past.
    A larger population, more foreign students and the descendants of well educated immigrants take care of that.

    You are right about good students making up a good school. I went to a good college. Some of my classmates included several future top scientists, a guy who later started a billion dollar company and a future US senator. Those students would have succeeded at any college. As the saying goes, it’s the Indian, not the arrow.

  69. @PhysicistDave
    Achmed E. Newman wrote:

    Mr. Packer is a child abuser. Keeping his kids under his worldview and in a school with this kind of sick stupidity going on is doing long-term damage to these kids. What a sick way to attempt to raise a functioning adult.
     
    Well:

    [I]n one middle-school hallway a picture was posted of a card that said, “Uh-oh! Your privilege is showing. You’ve received this card because your privilege just allowed you to make a comment that others cannot agree or relate to. Check your privilege.” The card had boxes to be marked, like a scorecard, next to “White,” “Christian,” “Heterosexual,” “Able-bodied,” “Citizen.” (Our son struck the school off his list)...
     

    Our son reported that his classmates, without any collective decision, had simply gone back to the old system, regardless of the new signage: Boys were using the former boys’ rooms, girls the former girls’ rooms... [T]hey found a way around this difficulty that the grown-ups had introduced into their lives. It was a quiet plea to be left alone. …
     
    Packer sees that the kids are rebelling: the kids, on their own, re-established gender-based restrooms. Hi son "struck the school [that was pushing the idiotic "Check your privilege" meme] off his list)..."

    Human nature struck back against progressivism among the kids..

    "A little child shall lead them." It was after all a child who pointed out that the emperor had no clothes.

    Someday, they will grow up and sweep aside this evil, corrupt, inhuman, bureaucratic, soul-destroying society that progressives have created.

    In the elementary school, I don’t see it as the kids rebelling, Dave. The little ones like orderliness and routine. They like to come home to the same 2 normal parents, go to bed after 1/2 hour of horseplay, and use the same bathrooms in the same way they always did at school. For the teenagers, well that’s my kind of rebellion! I like it!

    I like your Biblical line in this context too. The children may point out the obvious, but the question is, how long will they be allowed to? They are still pretty malleable at these ages, and if the parents don’t mold them with an understanding of human nature and common sense, and instead, push the stupidity toward the peak, then these are terrible, sick parents.

  70. @Lagertha
    It's a good article until he needs to get his 2 cents About #6 - his own- in to make sure his employers (or the check cutters) know that he is so not getting on the Trump/Metallica train! He is a sell-out. George Packer is a sad man of no balls bc he does not defend the idea that as a father, you defend and provide for your children.

    Someday his son will know his dad sold out to the Globalist elites, and the most putrid, in NYC. His son is white, so heaven help him. I am so ashamed of wusses like Packer who I had admired in the past.

    Just to put some reference: my brother got into Stuyvesant in 1971...but my parents were afraid we younger ones, may not ace the test - we were immigrants. So, we moved into a lovely town.

    https://youtu.be/tAGnKpE44NCl

    He’s a goddam fucking cuck.

  71. @Anonymous

    Constantly checking your privilege is one way of not having to give it up.
     
    What is that supposed to mean?

    It means that if you don’t acknowledge that you are advantaged due to the circumstances of your birth, the left will do its best to unperson you.

  72. when we win do not forget that these people want you dead, broke, your kids raped and brainwashed and they think it’s funny.

  73. Love how this guys examples of the positive side of the public schools include: making your daughter think the founders were black and making your son hate industrial development.

    “guys I am fine with torching our evil white man society, but can’t we do it a little more gradually?”

    -Richard Cuckbrooke

  74. @SFG
    Pretty much. Woke is a nice way of keeping the left from focusing on tax rates.

    ….effective tax rates. FIFY.

  75. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    What does the instruction "Check your privilege" mean? Possible answers:
    (1) Keep your privilege in check. You may gain some advantage by making use of your privilege, but please refrain from using it, or at least do not use it to its full.
    (2) Be aware of your privilege. When you make use of it, mentally check off that you are using it. I.e., do not make use of your privilege inadvertently, but use it in full awareness of doing so.
    (3) Something else. What?

    I check my White Privilege regularly. When it’s low, I add a quart.

    • Replies: @Ancient Briton
    There's no such thing as WP - but if it exists, I deserve it in spades!
  76. @Anonymousse
    For all his navel gazing he votes exactly like the wokest and supports all the people and institutions that chase the rest of us around with pitchforks for so much as noticing things like the recent Minnesota “teen brawl”.

    He just wants some separate acknowledgment for being so reflective and self aware... all while helping inflict much worse things than “privilege cards” on the rest of us and on OUR children.

    He’s upset about the minor imposition on his feeling of wellbeing, but just you tell him your neighborhood is overrun with section 8 and you have to sell your house at a loss or your kids are liable to get randomly assaulted in the classroom (of course they wouldn’t be stupid enough to be on the STREET).

    See how much sympathy he has for the real problems of all these “backwards” “racist” red state types whose experience of diversity doesn’t come from watching Hamilton.

    To hell with him.

    Packer and his ilk spent decades partying, wrecking the building we all live in and setting it on fire. Now that a long hard winter is coming they are complaining that the place is starting to feel a bit drafty, and the rain comes in.
    Zero sympathy for these vipers.

  77. @Bitfu
    America has enormous strengths: hopefully, we will get beyond the present insanity.

    You need to get back to your training, Physicist Dave. In assessing whether America will get beyond the present insanity, let's do an Einstein-ian Thought Experiment:

    It's 1940, and you're on the shores of Puget Sound. A storm is a brewin', and the winds are really gusting. You look up at the Tacoma Narrows Bridge admiring this bulwark of engineering prowess.

    But something seems amiss. Did you just notice an unnatural movement in the suspension bride's concrete? Perhaps....seconds pass...and this anomaly reveals itself as full-scale undulation. At this point, the bridge is no longer a solid structure. No, it's a wave---a wave of undulating concrete.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFzu6CNtqec

    FULL STOP.

    We're back in 2019 now, and we're at the same inflection point. We ARE that undulating wave of concrete. How would a physicist with super-hero powers have saved that bridge at that moment in time? Since physics is so fundamental, it's oft used and abused as a metaphor. I'll take the risk: Can you extend those bridge-saving principles to 2019?

    Unfortunately, I think undulating concrete passes some critical threshold for remediation. I don't think any power (or principle) in the universe would have been able to save that bridge.

    But there is an upside to this doom and gloom. Once the bridge fell, sanity returned Puget Sound.

    We are that man stranded on the bridge. Here he is:

    He’s strolling off the bridge slowly and calmly, like he’s walking in the park, holding his smoking pipe, while the bridge oscillates wildly under his feet. Doesn’t he know that he is in mortal danger? He is that oblivious? We want to shout to him, “Run, motherf-er, run! Move your ass if you want to save your life!” but he is deaf to our cries.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  78. People who do the NYC private school thing are really weird. Most rich people in NYC who have kids live in the suburbs and send their kids to public schools or suburban private schools that cost a lot less. What is the difference between those rich people and the ones who insist on living in Manhattan? My guess is the parents are more selfish and narcissistic but who knows.

  79. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    What does the instruction "Check your privilege" mean? Possible answers:
    (1) Keep your privilege in check. You may gain some advantage by making use of your privilege, but please refrain from using it, or at least do not use it to its full.
    (2) Be aware of your privilege. When you make use of it, mentally check off that you are using it. I.e., do not make use of your privilege inadvertently, but use it in full awareness of doing so.
    (3) Something else. What?

    What does it mean?

    It means “F!ck you, Whitey. F!ck you, American. We are here to steal your country from you, and we won’t let you stop us.”

  80. I read the accolades about this article, and actually attempted to read it. But the first section (two pages? 3? On the Atlantic website its not broken into ‘pages,’ so I don’t know), it essentially made the following point several times.

    “The pressure of meritocracy made us apply to private schools when our son was 2..”

    Which is, of course, complete nonsense. Meritocracy is at best secondary to his motivation. The pressure was to find a non-black dominated school that is safe. Meritocracy is just the code word for ‘non-minority (other than Jewish).’

    So, I gave up. Packer may have some points later in the article, but he was a standard New York liberal in the first few pages.

    joe

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    He would love it if the school his kid went to was full of high achievement blacks, the poorer the better. There aren’t any such schools. Except for some charters. There are tons of high achieving blacks in NYC. But like that old black woman told the author, there are failure schools.

    This guy must live in Brooklyn. My kids’ public school is like 2% black in nyc.

    The son sounds like he has sussed stuff out despite the indoctrinating.
  81. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Thanks for highlighting this one, Steve.

    It's a good article. Given his background and context, Packer manages to work through many of the insanities of the education system in which he and his children are immersed.

    He in fact comes very close to really understanding:

    At times the new progressivism, for all its up-to-the-minuteness, carries a whiff of the 17th century, with heresy hunts and denunciations of sin and displays of self-mortification. The atmosphere of mental constriction in progressive milieus, the self-censorship and fear of public shaming, the intolerance of dissent—these are qualities of an illiberal politics.

    I asked myself if I was moving to the wrong side of a great moral cause because its tone was too loud, because it shook loose what I didn’t want to give up. It took me a long time to see that the new progressivism didn’t just carry my own politics further than I liked. It was actually hostile to principles without which I don’t believe democracy can survive. Liberals are always slow to realize that there can be friendly, idealistic people who have little use for liberal values.
     
    But I sense that he will never turn away from his faith in his own goodness, and the his belief that others like him deep down are good, too.

    He in fact comes very close to really understanding

    Packer names the illiberal left, and as a neolib foreign-policy type, one would expect people like him to put up a real fight against the illiberal left. The liberal CIA fought against Communism pretty hard, with few pangs of guilt about punching left.

    I wouldn’t worry about neoliberals’ appetite for a fight. They rule 2/3 of the globe in a Pax Americana. They didn’t attain their position through town-hall meetings and grassroots democracy.

  82. I see Packer’ s sister is Matthew Yglesia’ s stepmother.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Packer_(author)

  83. @Peter Akuleyev
    Trump supporters who think Trump is going to protect America remind me of the Jews welcoming the Soviet troops invading Poland in 1939.

    Can you elaborate on that metaphor? The Soviet Union put Jews almost entirely in charge of Poland after WWII.

    http://mailstar.net/poland.html

  84. To be honest, at this point a tankie revolution wouldn’t be half-bad. Yeah yeah people die, on the other hand the real men take over and all the woke fucks are executed (at worst), or spitroasted and eaten (at best, thanks, Pol Pot!)

    Plus, after a few decades your people become cuckproof

  85. @PhysicistDave
    Dieter Kief wrote:

    Btw. – Haidt seems a bit uneasy lately and therefore even turned a little bit into a doomsayer in Australia, where he said, that as of now he can’t exclude, that the US might face a new Civil War.
     
    I wonder. Have you read Omar El Akkad's novel American War about a second Civil War late in this century?

    I picked it up from the library, curious to see how the author would handle his subject. El Akkad was born in Egypt, later immigrated to Canada, and now lives in Portland: I guessed he would be "politically correct" and hostile to Red State America.

    I guessed wrong: the book above all is about the dehumanizing effects of war, but the central US government comes across as much worse than the rebellious Southeast.

    And, unfortunately, the novel is an all-too-plausible extrapolation of the cultural divide now tearing the country apart.

    America has enormous strengths: hopefully, we will get beyond the present insanity.

    But, I am starting to worry.

    Civil War is coming! Beto will send cops and soldiers door to door to take guns and have Reginald Denny day everyday for White men.

    In addition a cartel is likely to simply take over California and perhaps Texas.

  86. @Bitfu
    America has enormous strengths: hopefully, we will get beyond the present insanity.

    You need to get back to your training, Physicist Dave. In assessing whether America will get beyond the present insanity, let's do an Einstein-ian Thought Experiment:

    It's 1940, and you're on the shores of Puget Sound. A storm is a brewin', and the winds are really gusting. You look up at the Tacoma Narrows Bridge admiring this bulwark of engineering prowess.

    But something seems amiss. Did you just notice an unnatural movement in the suspension bride's concrete? Perhaps....seconds pass...and this anomaly reveals itself as full-scale undulation. At this point, the bridge is no longer a solid structure. No, it's a wave---a wave of undulating concrete.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFzu6CNtqec

    FULL STOP.

    We're back in 2019 now, and we're at the same inflection point. We ARE that undulating wave of concrete. How would a physicist with super-hero powers have saved that bridge at that moment in time? Since physics is so fundamental, it's oft used and abused as a metaphor. I'll take the risk: Can you extend those bridge-saving principles to 2019?

    Unfortunately, I think undulating concrete passes some critical threshold for remediation. I don't think any power (or principle) in the universe would have been able to save that bridge.

    But there is an upside to this doom and gloom. Once the bridge fell, sanity returned Puget Sound.

    I never tire of watching that video, but actually the winds aren’t really gusting that hard. You can see at about 1:08 that the men walking are wearing hats, and they don’t even need to hold them to keep them on their heads.

    This is a classic example of a cyclic force applied at a resonance frequency. It wasn’t high wind speeds that brought down the bridge; it was that the wind gusts just happened to be blowing at a frequency that corresponded to the natural resonance frequency of that bridge span. The best analogy to make is that of pushing someone on a swing. We intuitively know when to apply force to the swing to match the resonance frequency of the swing, so that every push sends the swing higher.

    That bridge was a suspension bridge, so the bridge span is effectively a swing, and the wind gusts were blowing at a frequency that perfectly matched the resonance frequency of the bridge span. Every wind gust added to the energy in the system, resulting in undulation and collapse.

    This doesn’t diminish your point. There’s no fixing America at this point in time.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    It was a single deck bridge and the deck was very thin and lacked trusses on the sides. Other bridges such as the George Washington were double decked so that the deck structure naturally formed a stiffer box beam.
  87. @Anonymous

    Constantly checking your privilege is one way of not having to give it up.
     
    What is that supposed to mean?

    “Close your eyes and think of England.”

  88. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Thanks for highlighting this one, Steve.

    It's a good article. Given his background and context, Packer manages to work through many of the insanities of the education system in which he and his children are immersed.

    He in fact comes very close to really understanding:

    At times the new progressivism, for all its up-to-the-minuteness, carries a whiff of the 17th century, with heresy hunts and denunciations of sin and displays of self-mortification. The atmosphere of mental constriction in progressive milieus, the self-censorship and fear of public shaming, the intolerance of dissent—these are qualities of an illiberal politics.

    I asked myself if I was moving to the wrong side of a great moral cause because its tone was too loud, because it shook loose what I didn’t want to give up. It took me a long time to see that the new progressivism didn’t just carry my own politics further than I liked. It was actually hostile to principles without which I don’t believe democracy can survive. Liberals are always slow to realize that there can be friendly, idealistic people who have little use for liberal values.
     
    But I sense that he will never turn away from his faith in his own goodness, and the his belief that others like him deep down are good, too.

    That “friendly, idealistic people” is something special. He doesn’t actually get it at all. This is something that afflicts even “conservatives”: in the core of their being, there is a suspicion that the woke are better people than them, that they are frauds, sellouts, on the wrong side of history. And because we are in fact a one party state, both libs and cucks are actually correct about their suspicions. They have already granted the metaphysics of the radicals.

    Don’t worry too much Mr. Packer, I’m sure your ego would prefer your current feckless course of action to any that would precisely have some affect for the better.

  89. @Auntie Analogue

    "When parents on the fortunate ledge of this chasm gaze down, vertigo stuns them. Far below they see a dim world of processed food, obesity, divorce, addiction, online-education scams, stagnant wages, outsourcing, rising morbidity rates—and they pledge to do whatever they can to keep their children from falling."
     
    Does Packer have the first clue that it was perpetual immigration and "outsourcing" that created that "chasm," the immigration and "outsourcing" that so painfully bloated the supply of labor, that overloaded the public schools with low human capital students, that created the tremendously overpopulated "dim world" on the low end of the Wealth Inequality Gulf?

    Does Packer have the first clue to how the massive increase in the imported populations of minorities made possible and fueled the "Wokeness" of anti-White hatred and left-liberal White Guilt?

    Do people such as Packer ever hear themselves talking the cluelessness that they talk?

    Anyone sufficiently based, as we say, to realize such a thing, will never be given any space in The Atlantic in which to express it. You’re cast out into the darkness once you become sufficiently aware of what’s actually going on and how mass immigration has made life so intensely difficult for families to maintain the traditional life.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Frum, for all his numerous other defects, has been preaching immigration restriction at the Atlantic for a while.
  90. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    What does the instruction "Check your privilege" mean? Possible answers:
    (1) Keep your privilege in check. You may gain some advantage by making use of your privilege, but please refrain from using it, or at least do not use it to its full.
    (2) Be aware of your privilege. When you make use of it, mentally check off that you are using it. I.e., do not make use of your privilege inadvertently, but use it in full awareness of doing so.
    (3) Something else. What?

    3) It works to our advantage if we keep the populace cowed, and “check your privilege” is a handy way to make people feel guilty even though they’ve not committed any offense.

  91. @South Texas Guy
    Packer is a weird egg. It seems wants to play like he took the 'red pill' by apparently moving a few degrees to the right. But he is still, and probably will forever be, a dyed in the wool lefty.

    Cultural lefties view that as being a large part of their identity, and there's no talking them out of it. Sure, he notes his fellow travellers take note of the woes of the working and middle classes that pop up disproportionately more than in the upper classes, but there's no way in Hell they'd ever deviate from their clannish behavior, let alone voting patterns, to help alleviate some of the problems of people a few rungs below them on the ladder. To paraphrase a former president, it's not who they are.

    It's not quite the same, but it's like talking to black people about politics (stipulating that they are working and bills paying blacks). Many will check off every or most every cultural and political tenet on the right (guns, religion, education, taxes), but would never, ever consider voting Republican. Democrat is just who they are (the TV show 'Blackish' had an episode about this) (and yes, I occasionally watch 'Blackish.' Scripted shows centering on Blacks give Whites a window into that world you don't normally see).

    While I’m not at all questioning the negative economic effects of immigration, I think economic and industrial policy have been at least as great a factor in the woes of the working class (regressive taxation, multinational corporations, winner-take-all industrialism).

    And like with immigration, the duopoly has done its job aggressively well: provide the illusion of a strong division between the parties on these issues, while in fact it’s brass Big Homo wins, trails America loses.

    • Replies: @SFG
    The right wants the cheap labor, the left wants the votes.

    Same with lowering taxes on the rich--the right lied about social issues so they could cut taxes on their donors, the left was leading the charge for transgender bathrooms and so on.
  92. @Achmed E. Newman
    I really enjoy your posts on education, Steve, though not so much the college admissions stuff. You can find so much crazy rationalization in the minds of these people, it's like a maze. They really, really want to believe that they are NOT giving an advantage to their kids, because that'd make them racists or something .... but, if there are no races, and the ones that people say there are are exactly the same in ability anyway, then any school should do, but people may still think the mostly-white one is better ... which is bad, see ...

    We didn’t want them to grow up entirely inside our bubble—mostly white, highly and expensively educated—where 4-year-olds who hear 21,000 words a day ...
     
    "No, we want our kids to be a bit stupider than that. It wouldn't be fair to the other kids that are hanging out with the stupid kids, through no fault of their own. We just want our kids to learn the usual words like "I'm fitten to kick yo ass if you don't gimme dat lunch money, homie!"

    21,000 words a day… that’s an awful lotta yakkin’ …enough to give you a permanent headache!

  93. @PhysicistDave
    Achmed E. Newman wrote:

    Mr. Packer is a child abuser. Keeping his kids under his worldview and in a school with this kind of sick stupidity going on is doing long-term damage to these kids. What a sick way to attempt to raise a functioning adult.
     
    Well:

    [I]n one middle-school hallway a picture was posted of a card that said, “Uh-oh! Your privilege is showing. You’ve received this card because your privilege just allowed you to make a comment that others cannot agree or relate to. Check your privilege.” The card had boxes to be marked, like a scorecard, next to “White,” “Christian,” “Heterosexual,” “Able-bodied,” “Citizen.” (Our son struck the school off his list)...
     

    Our son reported that his classmates, without any collective decision, had simply gone back to the old system, regardless of the new signage: Boys were using the former boys’ rooms, girls the former girls’ rooms... [T]hey found a way around this difficulty that the grown-ups had introduced into their lives. It was a quiet plea to be left alone. …
     
    Packer sees that the kids are rebelling: the kids, on their own, re-established gender-based restrooms. Hi son "struck the school [that was pushing the idiotic "Check your privilege" meme] off his list)..."

    Human nature struck back against progressivism among the kids..

    "A little child shall lead them." It was after all a child who pointed out that the emperor had no clothes.

    Someday, they will grow up and sweep aside this evil, corrupt, inhuman, bureaucratic, soul-destroying society that progressives have created.

    “Someday, they will grow up and sweep aside this evil, corrupt, inhuman, bureaucratic, soul-destroying society that progressives have created.”

    No, they won’t, alas. Remember that these aren’t kids, they’re (((kids))). If they haven’t done so already, they will soon pick up from their parents the technique of exempting themselves from every rule and every sanction that they enforce upon plain-vanilla others.

  94. @Alfa158
    I check my White Privilege regularly. When it’s low, I add a quart.

    There’s no such thing as WP – but if it exists, I deserve it in spades!

  95. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    “We regretted leaving the public-school system”

    I respond:

    I went to a famous private school affiliated with the University of Chicago. All kinds of elite Libs go there send their children there.

    Former Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel (Obama’s Chief of Staff and IDF veteran) sent his daughter there. Obama during the (rather brief) time he lived in this part of Chicago sent his daughters there.

    Obama’s Secretary of Education Arnie Duncan went there, now sends his children there.

    Obama himself went to an extremely expensive Private School in Hawaii with wealthy White and Asian kids.

    So these Lib Demorat elites don’t even make the small effort this New York PC Lib did to try to use the public school system, even in elite math and science public schools.

    For Chicago’s Lib Demorat Black, sort of Black and Jewish elite there is no effort to subject their children to what they force on the rest of Chicago parents.

    The social engineering in Public Schools is always ALWAYS:

    For other people’s children.

  96. @Anonymous

    Constantly checking your privilege is one way of not having to give it up.
     
    What is that supposed to mean?

    Cinematically, The Leopard.
    For [fundamental] things to stay the same, everything [superficial] must change.

  97. anon[246] • Disclaimer says:

    “What does the instruction “Check your privilege” mean?”

    Translation: “Your racial group’s continuing success contravenes our utopian dogma and makes other racial groups envious while also making us look stupid, so you should self-immolate to take the edge off their anger and attention off our failure.”

    ‘Check your privilege’ is a form of preemptive excuse making for the failures of our incompetent elites. You know, the Michael Barone, Bush-Era Fox News types who wrote books like “The New Americans” where he posited that new immigrants will eventually turn out just like those pesky Irish and Germans did – good, naturally-conservative, citizens:

    “Many savants predicted a hundred years ago that the immigrants of their day could never be assimilated, that they would never undertake civic obligations and adapt to the civic culture of the United States. History has proven them wrong.”

    Apples/oranges, buddy. The Germans look a lot more like the Irish than they do most other ethnic groups immigrating into the United States these days (not to mention cultural and historical commonalities), so assimilation wasn’t as difficult then; we also turned off immigration for decades in order to allow assimilation to take hold, whereas now there seems to be no limit to the deluge. This won’t be the same. BTW, polls show non-Europeans within the American population increasingly don’t support aspects of civic culture like freedom of speech and association, among other things. Racial affiliation is the number one determinant of how most groups will vote*, excepting only whites – barely. Oops. Can we get a refund for that bill of goods they sold us?

    *Despite the relative difference between parties, republicans and democrats actually agree on a lot of things. For example, more democrats want to raise taxes on the rich, but either pluralities or outright majorities of republicans agree with that proposition depending upon how the question is asked. In many red states, racial minorities such as blacks and Hispanics, agree more with white conservative republicans on issues like abortion than they do with urban liberals. Broadly speaking, racial affiliation with a party is the primary determinant of how people will vote with only rare exception. Blacks, for example, will vote for the white candidate within the democratic party as long as they view that white as 1) having some link to their community 2) having a greater chance to beat the white republican “other” in a general election. That would be Joe Biden this primary season. In 2016, Black democrats picked Hillary Clinton, the candidate with more black community experience and name recognition, over Bernie Sanders – that despite the fact that his socialist policies would have arguably been better for them. In 2008, they were a demographic monolith for the more authentically black Barack Obama over Hillary Clinton while white liberals and Hispanics went for the more ethnically similar Clinton in appreciable numbers.

  98. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Thanks for highlighting this one, Steve.

    It's a good article. Given his background and context, Packer manages to work through many of the insanities of the education system in which he and his children are immersed.

    He in fact comes very close to really understanding:

    At times the new progressivism, for all its up-to-the-minuteness, carries a whiff of the 17th century, with heresy hunts and denunciations of sin and displays of self-mortification. The atmosphere of mental constriction in progressive milieus, the self-censorship and fear of public shaming, the intolerance of dissent—these are qualities of an illiberal politics.

    I asked myself if I was moving to the wrong side of a great moral cause because its tone was too loud, because it shook loose what I didn’t want to give up. It took me a long time to see that the new progressivism didn’t just carry my own politics further than I liked. It was actually hostile to principles without which I don’t believe democracy can survive. Liberals are always slow to realize that there can be friendly, idealistic people who have little use for liberal values.
     
    But I sense that he will never turn away from his faith in his own goodness, and the his belief that others like him deep down are good, too.

    Its a confused piece. Does he want more wokeness so his son’s friend can go to the same middle school? Or should they just cut the bs and make sure his bright kids don’t have to put up with being educated alongside dumber kids.

    I’ve got his biography of Holbrooke on my Kindle. I am hoping it’s a little clearer

  99. @Amanuensis
    Anyone sufficiently based, as we say, to realize such a thing, will never be given any space in The Atlantic in which to express it. You're cast out into the darkness once you become sufficiently aware of what's actually going on and how mass immigration has made life so intensely difficult for families to maintain the traditional life.

    Frum, for all his numerous other defects, has been preaching immigration restriction at the Atlantic for a while.

    • Agree: PV van der Byl
  100. anon[139] • Disclaimer says:

    “Everything was fine until The Great Awokening:”

    They thought they would be spared as long as they said the right things – voiced the right revolutionary sayings – while turning away as the “New Americans” focused on crushing their more conservative co-ethics elsewhere. Then the deal was altered when they suddenly weren’t needed to win elections anymore.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    They're very much still needed to win elections, though.
  101. He brags about his son tearing up some kid’s N-word pass and telling him to check his privilege.

    What a shame. F

    • Replies: @Anonymousse
    Reminds me of this classic:

    https://youtu.be/5fHqAhImTBY (youtube has deleted an enormous number of times...)

    Zoomers can be fun.

    Social justice is basically just a long running TV show they’re all extremely bored with.

  102. @Peter Akuleyev
    The GOP no longer has an ethical core.. Why would ex-Leftists want to support a party that has no values other than accumulating material wealth? A party that justifies any behavior as long you are on the winning side of the transaction?

    Because prog-lefties ranking virtue-signaling just ahead of accumulating material wealth are far superior…

  103. Packer and those like him will never give up a stitch of the comfort and advantages that their fluent BS brings, they don’t believe a word of it, it’s just the typical opportunism of the parasitic chattering classes; all this is Woody Allen style navel gazing to show that he feels our pain.
    OTOH, the readers and contributors to this forum will greatly benefit from reading the American Affairs Journal (americanaffairsjournal.org); you may even try to have your local library to subscribe. Who knows? It may get some people to think a bit harder.

  104. anon[239] • Disclaimer says:

    “There are NYC schools that aren’t quite as bad as the one depicted.”

    Then again, there are ones just as bad if not far worse than the one depicted here. In “The Battle For Room 314”, liberal urbanite Ed Boland quits his high-paying private sector charity job to teach at an urban public school. Huge disaster. The kids relentlessly mocked and ridiculed him all year; parents tricked him; kids tricked him; one girl reported him for sexual harassment even though he’s inconspicuously gay; they learned nothing in the end with the entire grade’s end-of-year assessment averaging around a 54% — the Asian tiger lady principal openly sobbed on a desk after calculating the score. He left after one year and went back to his old job. Maybe a quarter of the hipster Teach for America types quit, too. One guy faked sick and quit inside the first month.

    From my own experience in urban schools, I’d say it’s a fair representation, with some schools being much worse. My experience took place thousands of miles away – years before – in a completely different part of the country … but it was just the same even though you’d think there’d be differences due to culture. Well, actually there was. My kids were far worse. In my first week as an urban public high school teacher, a group of kids got into a massive altercation in the back of the class – throwing punches, books, and chairs. School security officers came in and a guy got tased in front of me. It was jarring to say the least (and that is indeed the least of it … another guy started a fire which sent the entire school into a huge panic). It doesn’t surprise me at all that parents in metropolitan areas would avoid sending their kids to these holding pens for future miscreants. No matter the area and no matter the culture, these schools are remarkably the same for some odd reason.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    You can preview the book on Amazon. He offers a list of recommendations at the end, none of which include addressing disciplinary problems. Let him suffer. He's earned it.
    , @J.Ross
    I couldn't stop laughing and recommend that book as a sorbet to the unchallenged classic, John Taylor Gatto's Underground History of American Public Education (which see -- it's long, available free online in every format including as a series of web pages, thoroughly documented, totally worth it). As hilarious as Boland is, there is an episode at the beginning that could easily be the lead-in for a right-wing revenge novel: disgusting self-celebrating charity galas where the donations are announced on a public address system.
    "Hey Boland, who you bonin'? It ain't no chick, that's for sure."
    , @hhsiii
    Of course there’s worse. I’m just saying he purposefully avoided the perfectly fine public schools that are available. He moved to a gentrifying area so he could afford a place with a yard in NYC and he wanted a highly mixed public school. He chose a school with “progressive” values as part of its DNA, not one that emphasizes test scores, reading, writing and ‘arithmetic.

    The most famous alumni of my daughter’s school are William Hurt,Phoebe Cates, Chevy Chase, TonyRoberts, Peter Yarrow, Jose Feliciano and Lenny Kravitz. Regardless of their politics, that’s as whitebread as it gets. Our money could have gone farther moving to an area where the most famous alumni were rappers and basketball players. And we dont make all that much. Decidedly middle middle class.

    It takes some effort but you can figure this out even in NYC. For now. The common refrain on here that this is what all New Yorkers deserve because they are all elitist liberals isn’t entirely true, it isn’t universal. And in any event, sad that the sins of this writer are visited on his kids.
  105. When will Jewish children be made to atone for Jewish privilege? That seems to be far more pervasive than “white privilege” or “male privilege.” When will Chelsea Handler do a Netflix special on how her Jewish privilege greatly helped advance her career???

  106. @Cave
    He brags about his son tearing up some kid's N-word pass and telling him to check his privilege.

    What a shame. F

    Reminds me of this classic:

    (youtube has deleted an enormous number of times…)

    Zoomers can be fun.

    Social justice is basically just a long running TV show they’re all extremely bored with.

  107. @Peter Akuleyev
    Trump supporters who think Trump is going to protect America remind me of the Jews welcoming the Soviet troops invading Poland in 1939.

    The Jews were better off under the Soviets than the Nazis.

    It’s an extremely low bar.

    • Replies: @bigdicknick
    jews pretty much ran the ussr until they wore out their welcome(as they tend to do.)

    after America is wrecked and the jews leave, we'll probably be hearing about what a horribly oppressive place this was for jews and how much anti-semitism they faced and how powerless they truly were.
    , @Achilles Wannabe
    The Bolshevik Jews created the Soviet Union
  108. This dude can fuck himself. “Each generation starts at zero” says the dude who’s parents were Stanford faculty and who’s maternal line produced two long term representatives from the South.

    He’s been a court bard for neoliberal globohomo his entire career and now that the policies he supported are reaching their septic conclusion, he’s very obviously worried him or his kids are going to fall prey to an Inqusitor of Color and he’ll be rendered unemployable or his kid will face a Twitter outrage mob for using the wrong pronoun.

    The fact that he’s able to sneer at Trump voters while seeing how things are going is fascinating in an anthropological sense. Dude knows his house is on fire but refuses to stop throwing gasoline around. You think he’d have as much sympathy for the son of a pair of Trump voters as he did say “the daughter of two African lesbians”?

  109. @Gabe Ruth
    While I'm not at all questioning the negative economic effects of immigration, I think economic and industrial policy have been at least as great a factor in the woes of the working class (regressive taxation, multinational corporations, winner-take-all industrialism).

    And like with immigration, the duopoly has done its job aggressively well: provide the illusion of a strong division between the parties on these issues, while in fact it's brass Big Homo wins, trails America loses.

    The right wants the cheap labor, the left wants the votes.

    Same with lowering taxes on the rich–the right lied about social issues so they could cut taxes on their donors, the left was leading the charge for transgender bathrooms and so on.

  110. anon[221] • Disclaimer says:

    “Civil War is coming!”

    From the Atlantic: “Not everyone seeking to preserve symbols of the Confederacy is a Nazi. But the Nazis’ embrace of the Confederate cause makes plain: Anyone who fights for those symbols is fighting for Nazi values. … The deliberate national penance that most Germans now take for granted offers a striking contrast with the ways Americans have confronted our own national crimes.”

    What infantile reasoning. Germans developed rocket science so supporting NASA’s Mars mission makes you supporter of Nazi values? BTW, exactly the same logic can apply to essentially any American symbol, including the flag and monuments like Mount Rushmore. The American flag presided over the displacement of the native population and various crimes against them over the centuries. America also floats Israel billions of dollars in free money (the Atlantic author is Jewish) after they stole the homes of hundred of thousands of Palestinians. By Susan’s logic here, you support that with every dollar you approve for that country. There may be no Nazi memorials, but why are there Holocaust memorials in Tennessee?

    “The deliberate national penance that most Germans now take for granted offers a striking contrast with the ways Americans have confronted our own national crimes.”

    That’s by design. How else do you think the US keeps all those troops there long after the end of the Cold War? The ruling class is trying to do the same here, but they can forget about it after how they’ve behaved. Why put your patriotism into any American symbol when such symbols are considered racist now?

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/germany-has-no-nazi-memorials/597937/

  111. Odd that the evil old American education system of, say, 60 years ago didn’t manufacture twelve-year-old neurotics. Packer is a smart well-educated man. So it’s difficult to see why it’s so difficult for him to see “white privilege” is a fairy tale cooked up by our privileged Elites to smoke screen class privilege, which only they enjoy. I realize how horrendous is the tragedy of billionaire Jewish hedge fund managers suffering oppression at the hands of Oxycontin-addled hillbillies in faraway Appalachia. But as you, I, and Bigfoot know, that’s white privilege for you.

  112. Also I find the woke 8 year old trope slightly incredulous when it appears in his narrative, and wonder at what’s not being said. I’m supposed to believe that his son just happened to be part of one of those only seen on TV multi ethnic youth groups and never had to deal with the daily MMA brawl that is life in a mixed race school?

    Sure thing. “Yeah I’m not going to write about that cause some mystery meat on twitter might call me a racist.”

  113. @Anon
    There are a few places in the piece where there is a whiff of a hint that his son has hooked up with the black kids and is picking up some bad influences. But no problemo.

    First of all, it’s not just black kids, it’s a multiethnic mix of kids, i.e., black kids and other delinquents, and some other white prey. And secondly, the wonderful influence of a multicultural school is great! Although he also mentions worrisome giant standardized testing “gaps” between the black kids and the white kids at the school. (An organized standardized testing boycott figures in another part of the narrative, resulting in no statistics for the school in city data.) The kid escapes into a better school at the end, although the next year the new open entry policy was going to happen: just in time, I guess!

    But the younger daughter is still in the school system. My money says she ends up in a private school before long.

    Apparently some new book decrying “meritocracy” was the elite’s hip summer read, so expect more self flagellation like this. What cracks me up is that all of this anti-meritocracy stuff, including this article itself, effectively admits that Charles Murray was right, standardized testing ID’d smart flyover kids who congregated in the Ivy League, assortatively married, and became a new elite. Give the guy credit by name!

    Ignored is the fact that the hereditary nature of upper class priviledge is probably mostly genetic, although Packer seems to think that the problem is that the parents of these tiny POC Einsteins are clueless buffoons who have no idea how the school system application process works and have no time to navigate it. If their kids could only get into the magic dirt schools, they would thrive (and not delinquentize the white kids). To the extent that there is any merit in that idea the new De Blasio reforms should fix things. I’m not holding my breath.

    When I meet folks like this Packer guy, and I have met many, I always, always help them double-down on their own belief system. If they tell me about “wait list” for kindergartners, I will make a passing remark about THAT VERY CONCEPT being part of the “privilege” problem and “such an upper class white thing”… If they tell me that their school is X percent black and how proud of it they are, for their children, I will make a passing comment that until their neighbors are that and more, it still gives their children “a distorted view of the global, diverse world we live in…” I will double it down for them, move goal posts, change goal posts and leave them feeling like racist bigots for not doing “yet even more”…and in the few cases I am challenged (the turnaround white self-haters like to do), I make sure to casually note that “well, I don’t believe all that shit…plus…I’m (white, but) Hispanic and I want my kids around fellow Latinos…different rules for us ya know”. They never know what to say, but their facial expressions make it clear they are mad that I am not required to live by the same rules…because privately they want all whites to suffer, while they privately do a series of work-arounds to avoid it themselves.

    They should never be made to feel satisfied with their own indulgence in all things political correct. Diversity is your strength I tell them…do more, try harder, virtue signal more…move, take a different job, put your kids in an all black HS…work in a soup kitchen. They should be driven mad by their own philosophical worldview and we should do the driving.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Excellent! Stick it to 'em.
    , @Felix Krull
    Good job, that man!
  114. @OscarWildeLoveChild
    When I meet folks like this Packer guy, and I have met many, I always, always help them double-down on their own belief system. If they tell me about "wait list" for kindergartners, I will make a passing remark about THAT VERY CONCEPT being part of the "privilege" problem and "such an upper class white thing"... If they tell me that their school is X percent black and how proud of it they are, for their children, I will make a passing comment that until their neighbors are that and more, it still gives their children "a distorted view of the global, diverse world we live in..." I will double it down for them, move goal posts, change goal posts and leave them feeling like racist bigots for not doing "yet even more"...and in the few cases I am challenged (the turnaround white self-haters like to do), I make sure to casually note that "well, I don't believe all that shit...plus...I'm (white, but) Hispanic and I want my kids around fellow Latinos...different rules for us ya know". They never know what to say, but their facial expressions make it clear they are mad that I am not required to live by the same rules...because privately they want all whites to suffer, while they privately do a series of work-arounds to avoid it themselves.

    They should never be made to feel satisfied with their own indulgence in all things political correct. Diversity is your strength I tell them...do more, try harder, virtue signal more...move, take a different job, put your kids in an all black HS...work in a soup kitchen. They should be driven mad by their own philosophical worldview and we should do the driving.

    Excellent! Stick it to ’em.

    • Agree: kaganovitch
  115. The comedy here is that these people see themselves as the winners. Desperate wannabe rich people, who (as the author was self aware enough to say), will have to rebuild everything every generation.

  116. @joeyjoejoe
    I read the accolades about this article, and actually attempted to read it. But the first section (two pages? 3? On the Atlantic website its not broken into 'pages,' so I don't know), it essentially made the following point several times.

    "The pressure of meritocracy made us apply to private schools when our son was 2.."

    Which is, of course, complete nonsense. Meritocracy is at best secondary to his motivation. The pressure was to find a non-black dominated school that is safe. Meritocracy is just the code word for 'non-minority (other than Jewish).'

    So, I gave up. Packer may have some points later in the article, but he was a standard New York liberal in the first few pages.

    joe

    He would love it if the school his kid went to was full of high achievement blacks, the poorer the better. There aren’t any such schools. Except for some charters. There are tons of high achieving blacks in NYC. But like that old black woman told the author, there are failure schools.

    This guy must live in Brooklyn. My kids’ public school is like 2% black in nyc.

    The son sounds like he has sussed stuff out despite the indoctrinating.

  117. “Eventually they find a public school that is ’38 percent white, 29 percent black, 24 percent Latino, 7 percent Asian.’”

    “This combination of diversity, achievement, and well-being was nearly unheard-of in New York public schools.”

    He’s lying. That combination of demographics and characteristics like “achievement and well-being” do not co-exist in any school in NYC, or anywhere else, for that matter.

    • Replies: @Keypusher
    Well, that school accepts 10% of applicants. And yet Packer calls it “a liberal’s wet dream.” A school that rejects 90% of its applicants is now a liberal’s wet dream, because it’s multiracial.

    The whole article is an exercise in applying conceptual frameworks to misunderstand the world. Meritocracy, the latest swear word, is really just cognitive stratification in action — he would understand if he’d ever read The Bell Curve.

    He mentions the wonderful California public schools of his youth, but he thinks they are no more because of Prop. 13 — not because of the ethnic transformation of the student population.

    He visits the local school:

    Students were wandering around the rooms without focus, the air was heavy with listlessness, there seemed to be little learning going on.
     
    He doesn’t get that that is the ordinary state of affairs — hell, a pretty good state of affairs— in a NAM school. The only way to achieve his Potemkin liberal wet dream is to cream off the top 10% of applicants. And even that school is eventually wrecked by Wokeness.

    The whole article is fascinating because you’re watching a smart guy Not Getting It.
  118. @anon
    "There are NYC schools that aren’t quite as bad as the one depicted."

    Then again, there are ones just as bad if not far worse than the one depicted here. In "The Battle For Room 314", liberal urbanite Ed Boland quits his high-paying private sector charity job to teach at an urban public school. Huge disaster. The kids relentlessly mocked and ridiculed him all year; parents tricked him; kids tricked him; one girl reported him for sexual harassment even though he's inconspicuously gay; they learned nothing in the end with the entire grade's end-of-year assessment averaging around a 54% -- the Asian tiger lady principal openly sobbed on a desk after calculating the score. He left after one year and went back to his old job. Maybe a quarter of the hipster Teach for America types quit, too. One guy faked sick and quit inside the first month.

    From my own experience in urban schools, I'd say it's a fair representation, with some schools being much worse. My experience took place thousands of miles away - years before - in a completely different part of the country ... but it was just the same even though you'd think there'd be differences due to culture. Well, actually there was. My kids were far worse. In my first week as an urban public high school teacher, a group of kids got into a massive altercation in the back of the class - throwing punches, books, and chairs. School security officers came in and a guy got tased in front of me. It was jarring to say the least (and that is indeed the least of it ... another guy started a fire which sent the entire school into a huge panic). It doesn't surprise me at all that parents in metropolitan areas would avoid sending their kids to these holding pens for future miscreants. No matter the area and no matter the culture, these schools are remarkably the same for some odd reason.

    You can preview the book on Amazon. He offers a list of recommendations at the end, none of which include addressing disciplinary problems. Let him suffer. He’s earned it.

  119. @AnotherDad


    Constantly checking your privilege is one way of not having to give it up.
     
    What is that supposed to mean?
     
    It's supposed to mean "I'm a good person."

    What it actually means is "I'm an asshole."

    The only president our kids had known was black. …

    (Our son had) been painfully aware of climate change throughout elementary school—first grade was devoted to recycling and sustainability, and in third grade, during a unit on Africa, he learned that every wild animal he loved was facing extinction. “What are humans good for besides destroying the planet?” he asked. Our daughter wasn’t immune to the heavy mood—she came home from school one day and expressed a wish not to be white so that she wouldn’t have slavery on her conscience. It did not seem like a moral victory for our children to grow up hating their species and themselves. …

    George’s sniveling second thoughts notwithstanding, his children are guaranteed to grow into virtue-signalling monsters who will experience no such reservations about the purpose instilled in them from the bassinet onward: to rescind the Bill of Rights insofar as it pertains to the greater mission as a kind of ideological appetizer, prior to the main course of defeating, deleting and permanently excreting the hated White Man (and his equally-guilty sometimes-mate, the free-range Becky) from the face of the earth and the memory of Man. If George and his own (I’m assuming here) shrill, ball-busting missus harbor any hidden hope that the children will eventually reject the wisdom of the parents, they ought to take the blinders off: the Goldsteins and Gutierrezes now in charge of Junior and Janie have already trained them to dismiss and discard anything the actual birth parents might care to add to the children’s training and development.

    But the relentless indoctrination they will now and forevermore marinate in via every social conduit surrounding them, from their lesson-plans at school, to the 1001 ventriloquist voices of media all repeating the same messages, to the advertising signals so omnipresent they’ll soon stop noticing them and begin merely absorbing like sponges? They’ll understand and recognize them as “reality” without ever actively needing to react to, let alone acknowledge, them. Does anyone ever find themselves ratifying statements like “water is wet”, or “fire is hot”? So with “the white man is the cancer of the human race.”

    To think of all the time we’ve wasted apportioning blame among the various phony “generations”, from boomers to millenials with all points between; when the only way this next assembly-line of little monsters could countermand their self-immolating programming would be to kill their status-obsessed, race-traitor parents upon reaching the age of majority. Unfortunately, I don’t think Mom & Dad Packer will need to install a deadbolt on their bedroom door – although Generation Social Credit unwittingly spawning Generation Breivik is probably the last best shot civilization has for a Happy Ending. Don’t hold your breath.

  120. These are the sort of people who visited this nightmare upon us. I’m pleased to hear that they are feeling at least a little of the pain.

  121. Black Lives Matter At School NYC
    Revolutionary Love in the Classroom

    Talking to young children about the Guiding Principles of the Movement for Black Lives
    By Laleña Garcia

    Participating Schools and Organizations

    Urban Assembly School for Emergency Management, MS 8, Bronxdale High School, Global Kids at William Cullen Bryant HS, City As School, West Brooklyn Community High School, Soul Fire Farm, New Paltz Central School District, Urban Word NYC, Warrior Queen Initiative LLC, Teach Resistance, Border Crossers, Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture, #CovertLiberaryProject, Brooklyn Emerging Leaders Academy, Newark Pride Alliance, International High School of Lafayette, Groundswell, Manhattan Country School, Poetic Theater Productions, Brooklyn International High School, Peninsula School, Achievement First Endeavor MS, The James Baldwin School, Museum of the City of New York, The International HS at Prospect Heights, Justice for Education at Montclair State University, Brooklyn Prospect Charter School, Bard High School Early College Queens, P35M: Manhattan High School, Young Women’s Leadership Network, Young Women’s Leadership School of East Harlem, PSC-CUNY, Valley Central School District, New York City Writing Project, Bronx International High School, Millennium Brooklyn High School, MS 50 John D. Wells, Forsyth Satellite Academy, New York Civil Liberties Union, Marble Hill School for International Studies, PS 15 Patrick F. Daly, East Brooklyn Community High School, Bronx Theater High School, UNITAS Therapeutic Community, University Neighborhood Middle School, SUNY Downstate

  122. @anon
    "There are NYC schools that aren’t quite as bad as the one depicted."

    Then again, there are ones just as bad if not far worse than the one depicted here. In "The Battle For Room 314", liberal urbanite Ed Boland quits his high-paying private sector charity job to teach at an urban public school. Huge disaster. The kids relentlessly mocked and ridiculed him all year; parents tricked him; kids tricked him; one girl reported him for sexual harassment even though he's inconspicuously gay; they learned nothing in the end with the entire grade's end-of-year assessment averaging around a 54% -- the Asian tiger lady principal openly sobbed on a desk after calculating the score. He left after one year and went back to his old job. Maybe a quarter of the hipster Teach for America types quit, too. One guy faked sick and quit inside the first month.

    From my own experience in urban schools, I'd say it's a fair representation, with some schools being much worse. My experience took place thousands of miles away - years before - in a completely different part of the country ... but it was just the same even though you'd think there'd be differences due to culture. Well, actually there was. My kids were far worse. In my first week as an urban public high school teacher, a group of kids got into a massive altercation in the back of the class - throwing punches, books, and chairs. School security officers came in and a guy got tased in front of me. It was jarring to say the least (and that is indeed the least of it ... another guy started a fire which sent the entire school into a huge panic). It doesn't surprise me at all that parents in metropolitan areas would avoid sending their kids to these holding pens for future miscreants. No matter the area and no matter the culture, these schools are remarkably the same for some odd reason.

    I couldn’t stop laughing and recommend that book as a sorbet to the unchallenged classic, John Taylor Gatto’s Underground History of American Public Education (which see — it’s long, available free online in every format including as a series of web pages, thoroughly documented, totally worth it). As hilarious as Boland is, there is an episode at the beginning that could easily be the lead-in for a right-wing revenge novel: disgusting self-celebrating charity galas where the donations are announced on a public address system.
    “Hey Boland, who you bonin’? It ain’t no chick, that’s for sure.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Insisting that the average underclass black continue going to school after sixth or seventh grade (the average 85 IQ underclass black is educable to fifth or sixth grade level, but most actually only get to roughly third grade level because (among other things) the curriculum, method, books aren't designed for them) is just useless torment for all involved. If they need to be kept in school to age 16, give them an option where they can play ball or do undemanding stuff all day as long as they behave somewhat. Don't lie to them, don't set false expectations, but provide firm fair consistent discipline.

    Hiring (mostly black or mestizo) former Army and Marine drill sergeants as disciplinarians and explicitly giving them the okay to handle up when really provoked would do wonders.

    We either need to give them jobs they can do like auto assembly, warehouse, that kind of thing or admit they are biologically obsolete and go from there-snip'em or ship'em.
  123. @Peter Akuleyev
    Trump supporters who think Trump is going to protect America remind me of the Jews welcoming the Soviet troops invading Poland in 1939.

    Can we have a “lazy” or “low energy” button? Or “Something Something NAZIS.”

  124. @SFG
    The Jews were better off under the Soviets than the Nazis.

    It's an extremely low bar.

    jews pretty much ran the ussr until they wore out their welcome(as they tend to do.)

    after America is wrecked and the jews leave, we’ll probably be hearing about what a horribly oppressive place this was for jews and how much anti-semitism they faced and how powerless they truly were.

  125. @Anonymous
    OT: Apparently Malcolm Gladwell comes out as a Penn State/Jerry Sandusky Truther in his latest book.

    "Malcolm Gladwell Interview: His New Book Blows Apart the News Media’s ‘Penn State Scandal’ Narrative"

    Gladwell and I go into great detail on the issue of the date and our slightly differing interpretations of what this new timeline actually means. Here are some of Gladwell’s key quotes from the extensive interview, which can be heard at this link:

    “There is no way Joe Paterno even belongs in this conversation. Everyone should agree he was treated shamefully and that his good name needs to be restored.”
    “I am ashamed to be part of a society which tried to put Graham Spanier in prison.”
    “We were way, way, way, way too quick to come to judgement about the Penn State leadership and on Joe Paterno, and way too quick to think that Mike McQueary’s account is cut and dry when, in fact, it’s not.”
    “Joe Paterno, Graham Spanier, Tim Curley, and Gary Schultz were the victims of a moral panic. It was crazy.”
    “The prosecution behaved egregiously in this case and continues to behave egregiously.”
    “The Freeh Report (conducted on the case on behalf of Penn State by former FBI Director Louis Freeh) is a whole other pile of crap.”
    The prosecution’s current date (their second official stab at it after originally incorrectly claiming it was March 1, 2002) for the McQueary episode, February 9, 2001, is “bullshit.”
    The news media’s total lack of curiosity in the real story of the “boy in the shower,” whom Gladwell correctly identifies in his book as then 13-year old Allan Myers, is “bizarre.”
    As for Sandusky’s guilt, Gladwell cautiously says, “I don’t know. The public should know that this is murky… This case is shrouded in doubt.” He adds that in reality it is, “the polar opposite of the Larry Nassar case,” when it has been portrayed by the media as very similar.
    In the news media, “There is kind of a group mentality that takes place in these cases, at least in the beginning.”
    “My hat is off to you John. I admire what you have done and I encourage others to look at it and reach their own conclusions… I think you are going to live to see at least some measure of vindication.”
     

    Thing is , he’s right.

  126. @Reg Cæsar

    where 4-year-olds who hear 21,000 words a day
     
    Don't these people ever shut up?

    Finland has the highest test scores in the West, and they almost never open their mouths.


    The taciturn Finns – is there any truth to the stereotype?


    Two Finnish men, Jukka and Pekka, go ice fishing. They fish in silence for a long while and eventually Jukka asks "So how are things?" Pekka doesn't answer and they continue fishing in silence for some more hours. Then Jukka asks, "So how is the family?" At this Pekka gets angry, stands, up and shouts "Did we come here to talk or to fish?!"


    ... many people especially men need a few drinks in order to open up to strangers and talk, or to approach a woman. That's why Latin men are very popular amongst Finnish women and Finnish men hate them. Haha!

    http://lost-trini.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-talkative-finns.html
     
    https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/finnish-nightmares-introvert-comics-karoliina-korhonen-45-57cff95864c88__700.jpg

    Finns are weird

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    I used to date a gal from Finland. She was pretty weird, alas she was also pretty hot. I've never met a woman that was more of a linear thinker. She was like a female Mr. Spock.
  127. Finns are weird…for fucks sake, duh

  128. @Reg Cæsar

    where 4-year-olds who hear 21,000 words a day
     
    Don't these people ever shut up?

    Finland has the highest test scores in the West, and they almost never open their mouths.


    The taciturn Finns – is there any truth to the stereotype?


    Two Finnish men, Jukka and Pekka, go ice fishing. They fish in silence for a long while and eventually Jukka asks "So how are things?" Pekka doesn't answer and they continue fishing in silence for some more hours. Then Jukka asks, "So how is the family?" At this Pekka gets angry, stands, up and shouts "Did we come here to talk or to fish?!"


    ... many people especially men need a few drinks in order to open up to strangers and talk, or to approach a woman. That's why Latin men are very popular amongst Finnish women and Finnish men hate them. Haha!

    http://lost-trini.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-talkative-finns.html
     
    https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/finnish-nightmares-introvert-comics-karoliina-korhonen-45-57cff95864c88__700.jpg

    It is both worst and aggressive (will pound your head) at the same time – Finns don’t like strangers of any kind. We are incapable of “loving” new cultures. We are a “failed” state.

  129. Youngerish probably describes Packer’s wife Laura Secor fairly well. Her age isn’t anywhere online as far as I can tell but it appears that she was an editor at Lingua Franca magazine starting in 1997. I figure that would put her in her mid-40’s at least. Packer is 59.

  130. @Reg Cæsar

    where 4-year-olds who hear 21,000 words a day
     
    Don't these people ever shut up?

    Finland has the highest test scores in the West, and they almost never open their mouths.


    The taciturn Finns – is there any truth to the stereotype?


    Two Finnish men, Jukka and Pekka, go ice fishing. They fish in silence for a long while and eventually Jukka asks "So how are things?" Pekka doesn't answer and they continue fishing in silence for some more hours. Then Jukka asks, "So how is the family?" At this Pekka gets angry, stands, up and shouts "Did we come here to talk or to fish?!"


    ... many people especially men need a few drinks in order to open up to strangers and talk, or to approach a woman. That's why Latin men are very popular amongst Finnish women and Finnish men hate them. Haha!

    http://lost-trini.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-talkative-finns.html
     
    https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/finnish-nightmares-introvert-comics-karoliina-korhonen-45-57cff95864c88__700.jpg

    actually, let that be a lathe…sheesh, Reg, Why are you and Steve so questioning me? You have known me…a time….are you worried about something from my family? Otherwise- Life is unfair and we know it!

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    here's a deal of the Great Lakes circka 2020, of my Finnish immigrants: https://9vST6hVRj2

    And, I so hate you - because you both think that I am not intelligent. Well, FY, the word is falling apart but you waste time to ridicule and criticize who are on your team. There is no benefit. There is no reason I should care. There is no reason I should care about you. I really hate people, like you, and, I want you to go to the slaughterhouses. Valhalla awaits us, hahhahhahahhahahaaaaa
  131. @Lurker
    When?

    I was under the impression the Culture War had come for the kids decades ago. Only the intensity has grown.

    It did. I had a little talk with a new class parent’s kid 25 years ago. He was 10 going on 40 with every minute of his ever so goal oriented life accounted for by his parents. This began with the educated Boomer’s having children

    • Replies: @Marty
    As far as I can recall, that term “new-class” you dropped so casually has never been acknowledged by Steve or his commenters, even though it was coined by a Bazelon.
  132. @Peterike
    “ His latest book is a biography of diplomat Richard Holbrooke.”

    Are there more than five people on earth that would waste the time reading such a thing?

    Or is this just the usual Jewish log rolling that goes on in our media?

    HOw much of this entire way of life and child rearing is Jewish?

  133. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    I couldn't stop laughing and recommend that book as a sorbet to the unchallenged classic, John Taylor Gatto's Underground History of American Public Education (which see -- it's long, available free online in every format including as a series of web pages, thoroughly documented, totally worth it). As hilarious as Boland is, there is an episode at the beginning that could easily be the lead-in for a right-wing revenge novel: disgusting self-celebrating charity galas where the donations are announced on a public address system.
    "Hey Boland, who you bonin'? It ain't no chick, that's for sure."

    Insisting that the average underclass black continue going to school after sixth or seventh grade (the average 85 IQ underclass black is educable to fifth or sixth grade level, but most actually only get to roughly third grade level because (among other things) the curriculum, method, books aren’t designed for them) is just useless torment for all involved. If they need to be kept in school to age 16, give them an option where they can play ball or do undemanding stuff all day as long as they behave somewhat. Don’t lie to them, don’t set false expectations, but provide firm fair consistent discipline.

    Hiring (mostly black or mestizo) former Army and Marine drill sergeants as disciplinarians and explicitly giving them the okay to handle up when really provoked would do wonders.

    We either need to give them jobs they can do like auto assembly, warehouse, that kind of thing or admit they are biologically obsolete and go from there-snip’em or ship’em.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    You bring up two connections:
    Gatto, besides being a longtime NYC Public School teacher and education system critic, was the guy who could connect a kid who wasn't cut out for higher learming to a real career. He describes one kid who probably wasn't going to graduate, but Gatto was able to get him into this informal pseudo-internship at a TV station; the kid became a local news producer and earned a good salary without ever attending a class on genders.
    Boland is odious for many reasons but his pet charity cause, which he describes often in his book, is a kind of affirmative action for cramming ghetto kids into the highest possible Ivy League school slots. It's the charity that asks "how can we use everything except discipline and work ethic to crowd out people who earned it."
  134. @SFG
    The Jews were better off under the Soviets than the Nazis.

    It's an extremely low bar.

    The Bolshevik Jews created the Soviet Union

  135. @Lagertha
    actually, let that be a lathe...sheesh, Reg, Why are you and Steve so questioning me? You have known me...a time....are you worried about something from my family? Otherwise- Life is unfair and we know it!

    here’s a deal of the Great Lakes circka 2020, of my Finnish immigrants: https://9vST6hVRj2

    And, I so hate you – because you both think that I am not intelligent. Well, FY, the word is falling apart but you waste time to ridicule and criticize who are on your team. There is no benefit. There is no reason I should care. There is no reason I should care about you. I really hate people, like you, and, I want you to go to the slaughterhouses. Valhalla awaits us, hahhahhahahhahahaaaaa

  136. @black sea
    "Far below they see a dim world of processed food, obesity, divorce, addiction, online-education scams, stagnant wages, outsourcing, rising morbidity rates—and they pledge to do whatever they can to keep their children from falling."

    That most chilling of progressive nightmares, raising a brood of soon-to-be deplorables!

    this is who I am fighting for.

  137. @Mr McKenna
    Culture war? I got yer culture war right here:

    The dark secret behind the success of Sid Luckman, the greatest Bears quarterback ever

    “This was a hands-off time,” said author R.D. Rosen. “It was a very courteous media”

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/ct-ent-sid-luckman-story-kogan-0915-20190911-uiarxazfobhxlipedspyyv4pay-story.html
     

    I hate so many of you who are wusses: https://youtu.be/ hgl8bta-7aw

  138. “His latest book is a biography of diplomat Richard Holbrooke.”

    Aaaaaand it just so turns out, that Richard Holbrooke also just so happened to be… wait for it, you’ll never guess. Never in six million years! Really, seriously, can you guess? Can you? Can you guess what else Richard Holbrooke was, besides a diplomat? What was so fascinating to George Packer about this guy?

    Seriously, you’ll never, ever, ever, ever guess. Take six million guesses, I swear, you’ll never, ever get it right.

    • Replies: @Achilles Wannabe
    Holbrooke went to the right pre school?
  139. Speaking of kids und kulturkampf, PewDiePie (101m Youtube subscribers) just donated $50k to the ADL (epic appeasement cuck) then rescinded it 2 days later, citing the problematic nature of the ADL (epic bitch slap).

    He was wearing a shirt with a prominent Maltese Cross design. Trololololol.

    • Replies: @Yngvar
    What was that first rule again?

    We will talk about this in the closed forums.
  140. “But eventually a school administrator responds to the letter from a National Book Award winner and lets their kid in.”

    Chancellor Carranza might have a point. People like the Packers, who have national influence, are taking slots from people with local influence. National influence is nice but local influence is what wins elections.

  141. @Peter Akuleyev
    The GOP no longer has an ethical core.. Why would ex-Leftists want to support a party that has no values other than accumulating material wealth? A party that justifies any behavior as long you are on the winning side of the transaction?

    I see your point, however, I’d say the GOP is still the more morally upright party. In fact, being too nice (that is to say, be like the Bush’s and just turn the other cheek to vile insults and lies) over the past several decades is what led to a lot of this crap now.

    As far as doing anything to win, I’m not advocating a full-on Dem-like approach; lies and skullduggery – witness RussiaGate- but I am saying that politics is like a back alley knife fight. If your opponent pulls a blade and you get all hoity-toity and say ‘I’m not going to lower myself to his level,’ and not pull your own, you’re going to lose.

  142. @OscarWildeLoveChild
    When I meet folks like this Packer guy, and I have met many, I always, always help them double-down on their own belief system. If they tell me about "wait list" for kindergartners, I will make a passing remark about THAT VERY CONCEPT being part of the "privilege" problem and "such an upper class white thing"... If they tell me that their school is X percent black and how proud of it they are, for their children, I will make a passing comment that until their neighbors are that and more, it still gives their children "a distorted view of the global, diverse world we live in..." I will double it down for them, move goal posts, change goal posts and leave them feeling like racist bigots for not doing "yet even more"...and in the few cases I am challenged (the turnaround white self-haters like to do), I make sure to casually note that "well, I don't believe all that shit...plus...I'm (white, but) Hispanic and I want my kids around fellow Latinos...different rules for us ya know". They never know what to say, but their facial expressions make it clear they are mad that I am not required to live by the same rules...because privately they want all whites to suffer, while they privately do a series of work-arounds to avoid it themselves.

    They should never be made to feel satisfied with their own indulgence in all things political correct. Diversity is your strength I tell them...do more, try harder, virtue signal more...move, take a different job, put your kids in an all black HS...work in a soup kitchen. They should be driven mad by their own philosophical worldview and we should do the driving.

    Good job, that man!

  143. @anon
    "There are NYC schools that aren’t quite as bad as the one depicted."

    Then again, there are ones just as bad if not far worse than the one depicted here. In "The Battle For Room 314", liberal urbanite Ed Boland quits his high-paying private sector charity job to teach at an urban public school. Huge disaster. The kids relentlessly mocked and ridiculed him all year; parents tricked him; kids tricked him; one girl reported him for sexual harassment even though he's inconspicuously gay; they learned nothing in the end with the entire grade's end-of-year assessment averaging around a 54% -- the Asian tiger lady principal openly sobbed on a desk after calculating the score. He left after one year and went back to his old job. Maybe a quarter of the hipster Teach for America types quit, too. One guy faked sick and quit inside the first month.

    From my own experience in urban schools, I'd say it's a fair representation, with some schools being much worse. My experience took place thousands of miles away - years before - in a completely different part of the country ... but it was just the same even though you'd think there'd be differences due to culture. Well, actually there was. My kids were far worse. In my first week as an urban public high school teacher, a group of kids got into a massive altercation in the back of the class - throwing punches, books, and chairs. School security officers came in and a guy got tased in front of me. It was jarring to say the least (and that is indeed the least of it ... another guy started a fire which sent the entire school into a huge panic). It doesn't surprise me at all that parents in metropolitan areas would avoid sending their kids to these holding pens for future miscreants. No matter the area and no matter the culture, these schools are remarkably the same for some odd reason.

    Of course there’s worse. I’m just saying he purposefully avoided the perfectly fine public schools that are available. He moved to a gentrifying area so he could afford a place with a yard in NYC and he wanted a highly mixed public school. He chose a school with “progressive” values as part of its DNA, not one that emphasizes test scores, reading, writing and ‘arithmetic.

    The most famous alumni of my daughter’s school are William Hurt,Phoebe Cates, Chevy Chase, TonyRoberts, Peter Yarrow, Jose Feliciano and Lenny Kravitz. Regardless of their politics, that’s as whitebread as it gets. Our money could have gone farther moving to an area where the most famous alumni were rappers and basketball players. And we dont make all that much. Decidedly middle middle class.

    It takes some effort but you can figure this out even in NYC. For now. The common refrain on here that this is what all New Yorkers deserve because they are all elitist liberals isn’t entirely true, it isn’t universal. And in any event, sad that the sins of this writer are visited on his kids.

  144. Steve publish my first comment sheesh.

  145. @anon
    "Everything was fine until The Great Awokening:"

    They thought they would be spared as long as they said the right things - voiced the right revolutionary sayings - while turning away as the "New Americans" focused on crushing their more conservative co-ethics elsewhere. Then the deal was altered when they suddenly weren't needed to win elections anymore.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rdp3bObNqQ

    They’re very much still needed to win elections, though.

  146. They deliberately chose a school for diverse demographics, then were shocked when the curriculum and culture was “woke?” That’s like being surprised that the chaff comes with the wheat.

    • Replies: @Keypusher
    Doesn’t even matter. My daughter went to an elite private school in Manhattan and it became roughly as woke as Packer’s school.
  147. @Nicholas Stix
    "Eventually they find a public school that is '38 percent white, 29 percent black, 24 percent Latino, 7 percent Asian.'”

    "This combination of diversity, achievement, and well-being was nearly unheard-of in New York public schools."

    He's lying. That combination of demographics and characteristics like "achievement and well-being" do not co-exist in any school in NYC, or anywhere else, for that matter.

    Well, that school accepts 10% of applicants. And yet Packer calls it “a liberal’s wet dream.” A school that rejects 90% of its applicants is now a liberal’s wet dream, because it’s multiracial.

    The whole article is an exercise in applying conceptual frameworks to misunderstand the world. Meritocracy, the latest swear word, is really just cognitive stratification in action — he would understand if he’d ever read The Bell Curve.

    He mentions the wonderful California public schools of his youth, but he thinks they are no more because of Prop. 13 — not because of the ethnic transformation of the student population.

    He visits the local school:

    Students were wandering around the rooms without focus, the air was heavy with listlessness, there seemed to be little learning going on.

    He doesn’t get that that is the ordinary state of affairs — hell, a pretty good state of affairs— in a NAM school. The only way to achieve his Potemkin liberal wet dream is to cream off the top 10% of applicants. And even that school is eventually wrecked by Wokeness.

    The whole article is fascinating because you’re watching a smart guy Not Getting It.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    The whole article is fascinating because you’re watching a smart guy Not Getting It.

     

    I'd say the whole article is fascinating because you're watching a smart guy Refusing to Get It. You can sense how much sheer effort Packer is putting into maintaining his filters.

    You can accuse the Woke of lots of things, but laziness isn't one of them. They work hard at some things.
  148. A worthwhile review of Packer’s book on Richard Holbrooke:

    https://newrepublic.com/article/153503/canonization-richard-holbrooke-review-george-packer-our-man

    I also read a review of the book in the Washington Post. Those commenters who claimed to have worked with Holbrooke — there were more than a few — didn’t paint a very attractive or impressive picture of the man.

    As an amusing bit of trivia, upon first meeting Barack Obama, Holbrooke told the president that, “you don’t have to be African-American to cry.” Needless to say, Obama wanted to keep him at the greatest possible distance.

  149. @countenance
    They deliberately chose a school for diverse demographics, then were shocked when the curriculum and culture was "woke?" That's like being surprised that the chaff comes with the wheat.

    Doesn’t even matter. My daughter went to an elite private school in Manhattan and it became roughly as woke as Packer’s school.

  150. @Hhsiii
    The author actually has 2 kids.

    There are NYC schools that aren’t quite as bad as the one depicted. Not much indoctrination, mostly focused on the State math and English test prep. Not as diverse or race-mixed as the stats in the article. It gets more mixed for middle school. Like Wagner in the East 70s, which is still 53% white, 18% Asian, 16% Hispanic, 7% black, 5% other (like what, Aleut?). That’s fewer blacks then I went to middle school with in Montclair, NJ in the 1970s. I got bused to a blacker area. There were issues but you dealt with it as a kid.

    That’s my daughter’s default school. She’s 10 and we are applying to middle schools now. We’d like to avoid Wagner. Although it’s 2 blocks away. I’d think it’s ok. My Latvian wife says no. School makes race realists of most parents.

    Of course Carranza and the DOE may start mixing it up more. At some point may need to decamp to the ‘burbs. We have 3 kids, 10, 5 and 3, a girl and 2 boys. All kids sharing a bedroom. Paying more than we should. Gotta get that partition wall up soon. The wife is scouting out 3 bedrooms. One trick is you can move out of a zone once the youngest one is in kindergarten, then they are locked in the school.

    Don’t blame all New Yorkers (not saying you did Rosie). We aren’t all nuts. It isn’t for everyone. I’ve been in the metro area since the ‘60s (my older sisters were born in nyc but my parents moved to NJ in ‘64, back to nyc in ‘85), and I moved here in ‘87 and never left. My wife wants to move to California. Good lord, outta the frying pan...one of the few places where I’d get no cost of living dividend by moving. I hear the weather is nice.

    “I hear the weather is nice.”

    It’s very nice.

  151. I’m shocked that parents can put this much effort into the education rat race, and still end up shipping their kids to a government school. What did all that diversity buy you, anyway? Have you never read anything from John Taylor Gatto?

    Meanwhile, homeschooling moms just continue blundering along, turning out kids free of propaganda and angst, academically far above their schooled peers, with very little effort and no cost (other than that of having a parent or grandparent at home). Only a government can turn something so effortless into an expensive catastrophe.

    http://strike-the-root.com/homeschooling-is-easy

  152. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1172597324012544000

    Wow. 14 whole days, though maybe it’s an Epstein sentence where she can go out during the day but has to be back for 9pm curfew.

    That’s probably a death sentence in Hollywood, but I doubt any of us Deplorables would have gotten such a lenient sentence.

  153. @Achilles Wannabe
    It did. I had a little talk with a new class parent's kid 25 years ago. He was 10 going on 40 with every minute of his ever so goal oriented life accounted for by his parents. This began with the educated Boomer's having children

    As far as I can recall, that term “new-class” you dropped so casually has never been acknowledged by Steve or his commenters, even though it was coined by a Bazelon.

    • Replies: @Achilles Wannabe
    Oh, I don't read much Sailer. Bazelon?
  154. I was just getting used to my comments lying doggo, sometimes for days, in “Awaiting Moderation” limbo…..but now it seems they’re simply being pulled, disintegrated, memory-holed (take your pick).

    Considering I go out of my way to avoid profanity (or “irresponsible” extremism), I strongly doubt I can simply “get used” to this new wrinkle…..particularly as any number of my fellow commenters share my take on this story.

    We’re rapidly running out of venues in what remaining iconoclasts are left can register their appalled disbelief at our rapid societal decline – so please don’t turn unz.com into a kind of lottery for heretics, where comments magically disappear after a stay in the moderation dungeon.

  155. @Mr. Anon
    It would have been more succinct if he had just written that the school's faculty and most of the parents of its pupils are a bunch of deluded, sanctimonious a**holes.

    When our daughter saw pictures of the actual Founding Fathers, she was shocked and a little disappointed that they were white. The only president our kids had known was black. …He’d been painfully aware of climate change throughout elementary school…..he learned that every wild animal he loved was facing extinction. “What are humans good for besides destroying the planet?”

    “painfully aware of climate change”…well since there is no chance an eight year old is actually aware of subtle changes in the climate that take place over decades and even centuries, what he really means is the kid was fed nonstop propaganda and hysteria. The part about “every” wild animal the kid is aware of facing extinction is similarly silly. You’d think he’d object to the kids being fed political talking points all day instead of learning math, to write, etc.

    Our daughter wasn’t immune to the heavy mood—she came home from school one day and expressed a wish not to be white so that she wouldn’t have slavery on her conscience.

    Right, because slavery never existed before the American colonies, never happened anyplace else, and ceased to exist in 1865. They’re teaching your kids to hate themselves and their ancestors, and you’re okay with this?

    If you fail a math test you fail seventh grade,” our daughter said one night at dinner, looking years ahead. “If you fail seventh grade you fail middle school, if you fail middle school you fail high school, if you fail high school you fail college, if you fail college you fail life.”

    That sounds like a real light-hearted family. I bet they’re a ton of fun to vacation with. Its easy to make fun of kooks like this until you realize those kids will be voting in the next 10 years or so and likely in positions of power not too much after that. Then it becomes depressing.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    The son has figured it out. He asks shouldn’t they focus on teaching us language and math.
  156. @Peterike
    “ His latest book is a biography of diplomat Richard Holbrooke.”

    Are there more than five people on earth that would waste the time reading such a thing?

    Or is this just the usual Jewish log rolling that goes on in our media?

    Are there more than five people on earth that would waste the time reading such a thing?

    That’s pretty funny. I read a lot and sometimes have to poke around (or take suggestions from various commenters here; many thanks to whoever it was that recommended Payne’s “The Spanish Civil War”) for what to read next, but if it came down to “a biography of diplomat Richard Holbrooke”…I think I’d binge watch “Empire” with Juicy Mullett or maybe just wash my eyes with bleach. I think I’d rather read the memoirs of some random GS-9 at the Department of Agriculture.

  157. @Lagertha
    Finns are weird

    I used to date a gal from Finland. She was pretty weird, alas she was also pretty hot. I’ve never met a woman that was more of a linear thinker. She was like a female Mr. Spock.

  158. @Anonymous
    OT: Apparently Malcolm Gladwell comes out as a Penn State/Jerry Sandusky Truther in his latest book.

    "Malcolm Gladwell Interview: His New Book Blows Apart the News Media’s ‘Penn State Scandal’ Narrative"

    Gladwell and I go into great detail on the issue of the date and our slightly differing interpretations of what this new timeline actually means. Here are some of Gladwell’s key quotes from the extensive interview, which can be heard at this link:

    “There is no way Joe Paterno even belongs in this conversation. Everyone should agree he was treated shamefully and that his good name needs to be restored.”
    “I am ashamed to be part of a society which tried to put Graham Spanier in prison.”
    “We were way, way, way, way too quick to come to judgement about the Penn State leadership and on Joe Paterno, and way too quick to think that Mike McQueary’s account is cut and dry when, in fact, it’s not.”
    “Joe Paterno, Graham Spanier, Tim Curley, and Gary Schultz were the victims of a moral panic. It was crazy.”
    “The prosecution behaved egregiously in this case and continues to behave egregiously.”
    “The Freeh Report (conducted on the case on behalf of Penn State by former FBI Director Louis Freeh) is a whole other pile of crap.”
    The prosecution’s current date (their second official stab at it after originally incorrectly claiming it was March 1, 2002) for the McQueary episode, February 9, 2001, is “bullshit.”
    The news media’s total lack of curiosity in the real story of the “boy in the shower,” whom Gladwell correctly identifies in his book as then 13-year old Allan Myers, is “bizarre.”
    As for Sandusky’s guilt, Gladwell cautiously says, “I don’t know. The public should know that this is murky… This case is shrouded in doubt.” He adds that in reality it is, “the polar opposite of the Larry Nassar case,” when it has been portrayed by the media as very similar.
    In the news media, “There is kind of a group mentality that takes place in these cases, at least in the beginning.”
    “My hat is off to you John. I admire what you have done and I encourage others to look at it and reach their own conclusions… I think you are going to live to see at least some measure of vindication.”
     

    I am now convinced that Malcolm Gladwell has balls. Not what I expected to be thinking today.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Have you heard this? This is one of those things where, even if you dislike Gladwell, you will admire him in this story.
    https://player.themoth.org/#/?actionType=ADD_AND_PLAY&storyId=1793
    If link fails, it's here:
    http://themoth.org/stories/her-way
  159. @Anonymous
    Insisting that the average underclass black continue going to school after sixth or seventh grade (the average 85 IQ underclass black is educable to fifth or sixth grade level, but most actually only get to roughly third grade level because (among other things) the curriculum, method, books aren't designed for them) is just useless torment for all involved. If they need to be kept in school to age 16, give them an option where they can play ball or do undemanding stuff all day as long as they behave somewhat. Don't lie to them, don't set false expectations, but provide firm fair consistent discipline.

    Hiring (mostly black or mestizo) former Army and Marine drill sergeants as disciplinarians and explicitly giving them the okay to handle up when really provoked would do wonders.

    We either need to give them jobs they can do like auto assembly, warehouse, that kind of thing or admit they are biologically obsolete and go from there-snip'em or ship'em.

    You bring up two connections:
    Gatto, besides being a longtime NYC Public School teacher and education system critic, was the guy who could connect a kid who wasn’t cut out for higher learming to a real career. He describes one kid who probably wasn’t going to graduate, but Gatto was able to get him into this informal pseudo-internship at a TV station; the kid became a local news producer and earned a good salary without ever attending a class on genders.
    Boland is odious for many reasons but his pet charity cause, which he describes often in his book, is a kind of affirmative action for cramming ghetto kids into the highest possible Ivy League school slots. It’s the charity that asks “how can we use everything except discipline and work ethic to crowd out people who earned it.”

  160. @Oddsbodkins
    I am now convinced that Malcolm Gladwell has balls. Not what I expected to be thinking today.

    Have you heard this? This is one of those things where, even if you dislike Gladwell, you will admire him in this story.
    https://player.themoth.org/#/?actionType=ADD_AND_PLAY&storyId=1793
    If link fails, it’s here:
    http://themoth.org/stories/her-way

  161. @Keypusher
    Well, that school accepts 10% of applicants. And yet Packer calls it “a liberal’s wet dream.” A school that rejects 90% of its applicants is now a liberal’s wet dream, because it’s multiracial.

    The whole article is an exercise in applying conceptual frameworks to misunderstand the world. Meritocracy, the latest swear word, is really just cognitive stratification in action — he would understand if he’d ever read The Bell Curve.

    He mentions the wonderful California public schools of his youth, but he thinks they are no more because of Prop. 13 — not because of the ethnic transformation of the student population.

    He visits the local school:

    Students were wandering around the rooms without focus, the air was heavy with listlessness, there seemed to be little learning going on.
     
    He doesn’t get that that is the ordinary state of affairs — hell, a pretty good state of affairs— in a NAM school. The only way to achieve his Potemkin liberal wet dream is to cream off the top 10% of applicants. And even that school is eventually wrecked by Wokeness.

    The whole article is fascinating because you’re watching a smart guy Not Getting It.

    The whole article is fascinating because you’re watching a smart guy Not Getting It.

    I’d say the whole article is fascinating because you’re watching a smart guy Refusing to Get It. You can sense how much sheer effort Packer is putting into maintaining his filters.

    You can accuse the Woke of lots of things, but laziness isn’t one of them. They work hard at some things.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Or maybe Packer Gets It but doesn't want to sacrifice his very nice career over it.
  162. @William Badwhite

    When our daughter saw pictures of the actual Founding Fathers, she was shocked and a little disappointed that they were white. The only president our kids had known was black. …He’d been painfully aware of climate change throughout elementary school.....he learned that every wild animal he loved was facing extinction. “What are humans good for besides destroying the planet?”
     
    "painfully aware of climate change"...well since there is no chance an eight year old is actually aware of subtle changes in the climate that take place over decades and even centuries, what he really means is the kid was fed nonstop propaganda and hysteria. The part about "every" wild animal the kid is aware of facing extinction is similarly silly. You'd think he'd object to the kids being fed political talking points all day instead of learning math, to write, etc.

    Our daughter wasn’t immune to the heavy mood—she came home from school one day and expressed a wish not to be white so that she wouldn’t have slavery on her conscience.
     
    Right, because slavery never existed before the American colonies, never happened anyplace else, and ceased to exist in 1865. They're teaching your kids to hate themselves and their ancestors, and you're okay with this?

    If you fail a math test you fail seventh grade,” our daughter said one night at dinner, looking years ahead. “If you fail seventh grade you fail middle school, if you fail middle school you fail high school, if you fail high school you fail college, if you fail college you fail life.”
     
    That sounds like a real light-hearted family. I bet they're a ton of fun to vacation with. Its easy to make fun of kooks like this until you realize those kids will be voting in the next 10 years or so and likely in positions of power not too much after that. Then it becomes depressing.

    The son has figured it out. He asks shouldn’t they focus on teaching us language and math.

  163. @JoeEngineer
    I never tire of watching that video, but actually the winds aren't really gusting that hard. You can see at about 1:08 that the men walking are wearing hats, and they don't even need to hold them to keep them on their heads.

    This is a classic example of a cyclic force applied at a resonance frequency. It wasn't high wind speeds that brought down the bridge; it was that the wind gusts just happened to be blowing at a frequency that corresponded to the natural resonance frequency of that bridge span. The best analogy to make is that of pushing someone on a swing. We intuitively know when to apply force to the swing to match the resonance frequency of the swing, so that every push sends the swing higher.

    That bridge was a suspension bridge, so the bridge span is effectively a swing, and the wind gusts were blowing at a frequency that perfectly matched the resonance frequency of the bridge span. Every wind gust added to the energy in the system, resulting in undulation and collapse.

    This doesn't diminish your point. There's no fixing America at this point in time.

    It was a single deck bridge and the deck was very thin and lacked trusses on the sides. Other bridges such as the George Washington were double decked so that the deck structure naturally formed a stiffer box beam.

  164. @The Last Real Calvinist

    The whole article is fascinating because you’re watching a smart guy Not Getting It.

     

    I'd say the whole article is fascinating because you're watching a smart guy Refusing to Get It. You can sense how much sheer effort Packer is putting into maintaining his filters.

    You can accuse the Woke of lots of things, but laziness isn't one of them. They work hard at some things.

    Or maybe Packer Gets It but doesn’t want to sacrifice his very nice career over it.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    Yes, I think he does get it, at some level -- the hard work he's doing is producing an article of formidable length and detail that tries to balance 'honest' reporting and reflection with the Orwellian dictates of his class and career.

    It can't be easy to maintain -- and express, in an interesting, readable way -- this conflicted, discordant, self-refuting point of view.

  165. @Steve Sailer
    Or maybe Packer Gets It but doesn't want to sacrifice his very nice career over it.

    Yes, I think he does get it, at some level — the hard work he’s doing is producing an article of formidable length and detail that tries to balance ‘honest’ reporting and reflection with the Orwellian dictates of his class and career.

    It can’t be easy to maintain — and express, in an interesting, readable way — this conflicted, discordant, self-refuting point of view.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    You think he knows he’s lying about Trump/Trump supporters?

    That’s the heart of the rot. They’re tilting at windmills.
  166. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "His latest book is a biography of diplomat Richard Holbrooke."

    Aaaaaand it just so turns out, that Richard Holbrooke also just so happened to be... wait for it, you'll never guess. Never in six million years! Really, seriously, can you guess? Can you? Can you guess what else Richard Holbrooke was, besides a diplomat? What was so fascinating to George Packer about this guy?

    Seriously, you'll never, ever, ever, ever guess. Take six million guesses, I swear, you'll never, ever get it right.

    Holbrooke went to the right pre school?

  167. @Marty
    As far as I can recall, that term “new-class” you dropped so casually has never been acknowledged by Steve or his commenters, even though it was coined by a Bazelon.

    Oh, I don’t read much Sailer. Bazelon?

  168. @Svigor
    Speaking of kids und kulturkampf, PewDiePie (101m Youtube subscribers) just donated $50k to the ADL (epic appeasement cuck) then rescinded it 2 days later, citing the problematic nature of the ADL (epic bitch slap).

    He was wearing a shirt with a prominent Maltese Cross design. Trololololol.

    What was that first rule again?

    We will talk about this in the closed forums.

  169. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    With overwhelming numbers of (White) Americans being disatistfied with American public and Lib Leftist private schools, why has there been a movement to create new traditionalist private/religious schools?

    The Home School movement came and basically went. Why can’t these moms who successfully home schooled their own children, why don’t they form private schools now and teach other people’s children who have parents that have to work?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Some people would dispute the 'went' part:

    https://www.nheri.org/homeschool-population-size-growing/
  170. @anonymous
    With overwhelming numbers of (White) Americans being disatistfied with American public and Lib Leftist private schools, why has there been a movement to create new traditionalist private/religious schools?

    The Home School movement came and basically went. Why can't these moms who successfully home schooled their own children, why don't they form private schools now and teach other people's children who have parents that have to work?

    Some people would dispute the ‘went’ part:

    https://www.nheri.org/homeschool-population-size-growing/

  171. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    What does the instruction "Check your privilege" mean? Possible answers:
    (1) Keep your privilege in check. You may gain some advantage by making use of your privilege, but please refrain from using it, or at least do not use it to its full.
    (2) Be aware of your privilege. When you make use of it, mentally check off that you are using it. I.e., do not make use of your privilege inadvertently, but use it in full awareness of doing so.
    (3) Something else. What?

    It means “Live in fear.”

    Constant low-level fear.

  172. @Mr McKenna
    Actually, I agree. Miscreants like Esformes and the Sacklers should be made to give up their fortunes, which for the likes of them ought to be punishment enough.

    Or is it? I had this discussion with friend who is a federal prosecutor, and who to my eyes is dying to lock up everyone in sight. "Our prisons are already overcrowded," I argued. "It works as a deterrent," he responded.

    And complicating the discussion is the fact that you can try to divest people like the Sacklers of their ill-gotten gains, but the super-rich are very good at hiding their wealth.

    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/461362-ny-ag-uncovers-1-billion-in-sackler-family-wire-transfers-report

    There’s nothing I know of like prison except prison.

    I think we’ve made a big mistake for a long time by letting the rich and powerful wiggle out of the prison time they deserve. Fines don’t seem to be very big for individuals or corporations even when terrible things were done by the defendants. Your point about finding all the money is correct and I think your prosecutor friend is right too.

    I’m glad Mr. Esformes is going to spend 20 years in prison.

    I wish the immigration laws were changed so that employers could be criminally accountable for using illegal immigrants. I’d love to see some employers in prison, then maybe we’d see more cheap labor employers find a new love for American workers.

  173. @Bitfu
    America has enormous strengths: hopefully, we will get beyond the present insanity.

    You need to get back to your training, Physicist Dave. In assessing whether America will get beyond the present insanity, let's do an Einstein-ian Thought Experiment:

    It's 1940, and you're on the shores of Puget Sound. A storm is a brewin', and the winds are really gusting. You look up at the Tacoma Narrows Bridge admiring this bulwark of engineering prowess.

    But something seems amiss. Did you just notice an unnatural movement in the suspension bride's concrete? Perhaps....seconds pass...and this anomaly reveals itself as full-scale undulation. At this point, the bridge is no longer a solid structure. No, it's a wave---a wave of undulating concrete.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFzu6CNtqec

    FULL STOP.

    We're back in 2019 now, and we're at the same inflection point. We ARE that undulating wave of concrete. How would a physicist with super-hero powers have saved that bridge at that moment in time? Since physics is so fundamental, it's oft used and abused as a metaphor. I'll take the risk: Can you extend those bridge-saving principles to 2019?

    Unfortunately, I think undulating concrete passes some critical threshold for remediation. I don't think any power (or principle) in the universe would have been able to save that bridge.

    But there is an upside to this doom and gloom. Once the bridge fell, sanity returned Puget Sound.

    The Tacoma Narrows Bridge collapsed because the deck had been fastened at the towers (suspenders). The bridge was no longer hanging fully suspended or allowed to move as it was supposed to do. It was a construction error not a engineering flaw. It was doomed from the start.

    The Decline of the Abendlandes – design flaw or error in assembly?

  174. @PhysicistDave
    Achmed E. Newman wrote:

    Mr. Packer is a child abuser. Keeping his kids under his worldview and in a school with this kind of sick stupidity going on is doing long-term damage to these kids. What a sick way to attempt to raise a functioning adult.
     
    Well:

    [I]n one middle-school hallway a picture was posted of a card that said, “Uh-oh! Your privilege is showing. You’ve received this card because your privilege just allowed you to make a comment that others cannot agree or relate to. Check your privilege.” The card had boxes to be marked, like a scorecard, next to “White,” “Christian,” “Heterosexual,” “Able-bodied,” “Citizen.” (Our son struck the school off his list)...
     

    Our son reported that his classmates, without any collective decision, had simply gone back to the old system, regardless of the new signage: Boys were using the former boys’ rooms, girls the former girls’ rooms... [T]hey found a way around this difficulty that the grown-ups had introduced into their lives. It was a quiet plea to be left alone. …
     
    Packer sees that the kids are rebelling: the kids, on their own, re-established gender-based restrooms. Hi son "struck the school [that was pushing the idiotic "Check your privilege" meme] off his list)..."

    Human nature struck back against progressivism among the kids..

    "A little child shall lead them." It was after all a child who pointed out that the emperor had no clothes.

    Someday, they will grow up and sweep aside this evil, corrupt, inhuman, bureaucratic, soul-destroying society that progressives have created.

    Indeed.

    That’s what they’re for, and why mortality exists.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  175. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Yes, I think he does get it, at some level -- the hard work he's doing is producing an article of formidable length and detail that tries to balance 'honest' reporting and reflection with the Orwellian dictates of his class and career.

    It can't be easy to maintain -- and express, in an interesting, readable way -- this conflicted, discordant, self-refuting point of view.

    You think he knows he’s lying about Trump/Trump supporters?

    That’s the heart of the rot. They’re tilting at windmills.

    • Replies: @anon
    You think he knows he’s lying about Trump/Trump supporters?

    Does a goldfish really know anything about what is outside of its bowl?
  176. You think he knows he’s lying about Trump/Trump supporters?

    I don’t know. It’s a very good question. Living overseas, it’s hard for me to gauge how impermeable the US left’s media/culture/information bubble really is. Do they ever really listen to — i.e. take on board and process — anything that doesn’t come from mainstream media + woke culture + carefully-curated twitter feeds?

    I’m pretty sure he knows he’s lying about schools and what makes them good or bad, though. There’s enough hardcore detail in the article to show he’s been watching the schools pretty closely.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Watching and seeing are entirely different things. He can’t afford to see.

    The truth of course is he can, but the doors of that Hell are locked on the inside.

    Firmly.

    Only rust will open them.
  177. @Peter Akuleyev
    Trump supporters who think Trump is going to protect America remind me of the Jews welcoming the Soviet troops invading Poland in 1939.

    But, they fear that the USA is controlled by the Jews – of course that will never be said. Their sons and daughters have been fighting useless and stupid wars in AFG, Irq/ SYr/ Lib/IRAN/YEMEN for 20 years…….so like, I hate these people who support any war in the ME. Fuck you and your fat middle ass ass.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    Alden is much better (and funnier) at the drunken shrieking woman thing
  178. @Desiderius
    You think he knows he’s lying about Trump/Trump supporters?

    That’s the heart of the rot. They’re tilting at windmills.

    You think he knows he’s lying about Trump/Trump supporters?

    Does a goldfish really know anything about what is outside of its bowl?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Nope, nor does Packer, to answer the original question. Too much ego tied up in not knowing. Income and status alone aren’t enough.
  179. @anon
    You think he knows he’s lying about Trump/Trump supporters?

    Does a goldfish really know anything about what is outside of its bowl?

    Nope, nor does Packer, to answer the original question. Too much ego tied up in not knowing. Income and status alone aren’t enough.

  180. @The Last Real Calvinist

    You think he knows he’s lying about Trump/Trump supporters?

     

    I don't know. It's a very good question. Living overseas, it's hard for me to gauge how impermeable the US left's media/culture/information bubble really is. Do they ever really listen to -- i.e. take on board and process -- anything that doesn't come from mainstream media + woke culture + carefully-curated twitter feeds?

    I'm pretty sure he knows he's lying about schools and what makes them good or bad, though. There's enough hardcore detail in the article to show he's been watching the schools pretty closely.

    Watching and seeing are entirely different things. He can’t afford to see.

    The truth of course is he can, but the doors of that Hell are locked on the inside.

    Firmly.

    Only rust will open them.

  181. @Reg Cæsar

    where 4-year-olds who hear 21,000 words a day
     
    Don't these people ever shut up?

    Finland has the highest test scores in the West, and they almost never open their mouths.


    The taciturn Finns – is there any truth to the stereotype?


    Two Finnish men, Jukka and Pekka, go ice fishing. They fish in silence for a long while and eventually Jukka asks "So how are things?" Pekka doesn't answer and they continue fishing in silence for some more hours. Then Jukka asks, "So how is the family?" At this Pekka gets angry, stands, up and shouts "Did we come here to talk or to fish?!"


    ... many people especially men need a few drinks in order to open up to strangers and talk, or to approach a woman. That's why Latin men are very popular amongst Finnish women and Finnish men hate them. Haha!

    http://lost-trini.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-talkative-finns.html
     
    https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/finnish-nightmares-introvert-comics-karoliina-korhonen-45-57cff95864c88__700.jpg

    yah, slow to respond. But, yeah, contact you soon.

  182. @Lagertha
    But, they fear that the USA is controlled by the Jews - of course that will never be said. Their sons and daughters have been fighting useless and stupid wars in AFG, Irq/ SYr/ Lib/IRAN/YEMEN for 20 years.......so like, I hate these people who support any war in the ME. Fuck you and your fat middle ass ass.

    Alden is much better (and funnier) at the drunken shrieking woman thing

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