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Social psychologist Jonathan Haidt, whose 2012 book The Righteous Mind I reviewed in Taki’s, writes:

The Yale Problem Begins in High School

by Jonathan Haidt | Nov 24, 2015 | campus turmoil, free speech | 182 comments

A month before the Yale Halloween meltdown, I had a bizarre and illuminating experience at an elite private high school on the West Coast. I’ll call it Centerville High.

One possibility for the school Haidt is talking about is Lakeside School in Seattle, which Bill Gates and Paul Allen attended. Haidt gave a talk there on October 21.

I gave a version of a talk that you can see here, on Coddle U. vs. Strengthen U. …

But then the discussion began, and it was the most unremittingly hostile questioning I’ve ever had. I don’t mind when people ask hard or critical questions, but I was surprised that I had misread the audience so thoroughly. My talk had little to do with gender, but the second question was “So you think rape is OK?” Like most of the questions, it was backed up by a sea of finger snaps — the sort you can hear in the infamous Yale video, where a student screams at Prof. Christakis to “be quiet” and tells him that he is “disgusting.” I had never heard the snapping before. When it happens in a large auditorium it is disconcerting. It makes you feel that you are facing an angry and unified mob — a feeling I have never had in 25 years of teaching and public speaking.

After the first dozen questions I noticed that not a single questioner was male. I began to search the sea of hands asking to be called on and I did find one boy, who asked a question that indicated that he too was critical of my talk. But other than him, the 200 or so boys in the audience sat silently.

After the Q&A, I got a half-standing ovation: almost all of the boys in the room stood up to cheer. And after the crowd broke up, a line of boys came up to me to thank me and shake my hand. Not a single girl came up to me afterward.

After my main lecture, the next session involved 60 students who had signed up for further discussion with me. We moved to a large classroom. The last thing I wanted to do was to continue the same fruitless arguing for another 75 minutes, so I decided to take control of the session and reframe the discussion. Here is what happened next:

One of Haidt’s most illuminating techniques is simply to ask his audience to answer his questions by raising their hands. [Update: working link.]

Me: What kind of intellectual climate do you want here at Centerville? Would you rather have option A: a school where people with views you find offensive keep their mouths shut, or B: a school where everyone feels that they can speak up in class discussions?

Audience: All hands go up for B.

Me: OK, let’s see if you have that. When there is a class discussion about gender issues, do you feel free to speak up and say what you are thinking? Or do you feel that you are walking on eggshells and you must heavily censor yourself? Just the girls in the class, raise your hand if you feel you can speak up? [about 70% said they feel free, vs about 10% who said eggshells ]. Now just the boys? [about 80% said eggshells, nobody said they feel free].

Me: Now let’s try it for race. When a topic related to race comes up in class, do you feel free to speak up and say what you are thinking, or do you feel that you are walking on eggshells and you must heavily censor yourself? Just the non-white students? [the group was around 30% non-white, mostly South and East Asians, and some African Americans. A majority said they felt free to speak, although a large minority said eggshells] Now just the white students? [A large majority said eggshells]

Me: Now lets try it for politics. How many of you would say you are on the right politically, or that you are conservative or Republican? [6 hands went up, out of 60 students]. Just you folks, when politically charged topics come up, can you speak freely? [Only one hand went up, but that student clarified that everyone gets mad at him when he speaks up, but he does it anyway. The other 5 said eggshells.] How many of you are on the left, liberal, or democrat? [Most hands go up] Can you speak freely, or is it eggshells? [Almost all said they can speak freely.]

Me: So let me get this straight. You were unanimous in saying that you want your school to be a place where people feel free to speak up, even if you strongly dislike their views. But you don’t have such a school. In fact, you have exactly the sort of “tolerance” that Herbert Marcuse advocated [which I had discussed in my lecture, and which you can read about here]. You have a school in which only people in the preferred groups get to speak, and everyone else is afraid.

What are you going to do about this? Let’s talk.

After that, the conversation was extremely civil and constructive. The boys took part just as much as the girls. We talked about what Centerville could do to improve its climate, and I said that the most important single step would be to make viewpoint diversity a priority.

On the entire faculty, there was not a single teacher that was known to be conservative or Republican. So if these teenagers are coming into political consciousness inside of a “moral matrix” that is uniformly leftist, there will always be anger directed at those who disrupt that consensus.

That night, after I gave a different talk to an adult audience, there was a reception at which I spoke with some of the parents. Several came up to me to tell me that their sons had told them about the day’s events. The boys finally had a way to express and explain their feelings of discouragement. Their parents were angry to learn about how their sons were being treated and… there’s no other word for it, bullied into submission by the girls.*

Tina Fey’s movie Mean Girls with Lindsey Lohan makes the point that girls have always been extremely adept on average at nonviolent bullying: girls tend to be quick and sharp at interpersonal thinking with a talent for knowing precisely where to slip in the psychological stiletto.

Of course, most of that talent has been deployed over the millennia against their rivals in the sexual marketplace, other females (although little brothers and henpecked husbands have been victims too). But now our society encourages girls, at the point where their social skills are most advanced relative to boys of the same age, to use their Mean Girls techniques to bully and silence boys in the name of Fighting Patriarchy.

It would be interesting to study how big a price females pay down the road in lack of romantic satisfaction due to being encouraged to psychologically emasculate the boys around them. Like I’ve been saying for a long time, there’ll be no final victor in the War Between the Sexes.

Obviously, this strategy likely pays off for the handful of lesbians looking for more feminine girls.

But does it really make the female majority happier in the long run?

It seems like today’s reigning mindset is fundamentally confused about who you primarily compete with and who you primarily cooperate with in a sexually reproductive species.

 

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  1. Must be those estrogen like chemicals leaking from the plastic in bottled water. I am serious, that it might be part of the problem, making boys docile.

    Study: Most Plastics Leach Hormone-Like Chemicals : NPR

    http://www.npr.org/2011/03/02/134196209/study-most-plastics-leach-hormone-like-chemicals

    Mar 02, 2011 · Most plastic products, from sippy cups to food wraps, can release chemicals that act like the sex hormone estrogen, according to a study in …

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  2. My mind is blown. I didn’t think such a thing existed outside stupid high school movies and even there it’s still mostly intra-gender warfare.

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  3. “But does it really make the female majority happier in the long run?”

    No. I know from experience with what we used to call ‘self-defeating behavior’ on the part of former partners.

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  4. “It would be interesting to study how big a price females pay down the road in lack of romantic satisfaction due to being encouraged to psychologically emasculate the boys around them.”

    I saw this happening to my son in elementary school.

    Probably zero, if they all do it. Younger women will just go to whatever extreme needed to get banged by the alphas they really want. When their looks are mostly gone, they’ll settle for some guy who will support the alpha’s children, change diapers, cook dinner, etc. there’s always some guy who’ll do it. Or, just demand that society provide free support, free daycare, free divorce porn, free vibrators, etc.

    Females hate men, deep down; it’s biological, and deeper than emotion. If they’re not trained to do otherwise, they’ll let it out.

    Ultimately, the only price will come in the fall of Western Civ, the result of a failure to get boys to participate and a failure to find and nurture the exceptional boys who provide the real advances. Didn’t I just see an article about two cute girls who went to ISIS, only to be murdered?

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  5. that strategy of making females into pseudo-males also pays off for rich investors–more aggressive females are more likely to be able to better compete against males in the workforce…thus increasing the supply of labor and consumers, depressing wage, increasing sales, increasing the GDP and economic growth. Makes the rich richer. But that’s just a coincidence. Because there is no way that anything important in america has anything to do with economics or corporate profits. America is not like that.

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  6. Check out mean girls Taylor Swift and Courtenay showing up in the comments of that article attempting to justify their behavior and shame Haidt back onto the reservation.

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  7. Can’t anybody here look on the bright side?

    Emasculated male Democrats now (and Democrats is what these kids are) means fewer Democrats in the future.

    It’s hard enough already for Democrats to reproduce (Carter is the only postwar Dem POTUS to have more than 2 kids vs 2 being the minimum number of postwar GOP POTUS kids).

    Dems have been counting on outnumbering the GOP in the future. Not among their elite they won’t.

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  8. When I operated my retail business, I noticed a distinct difference between female sales reps from California and female sales reps from everywhere else. The products I dealt with had a somewhat masculine appeal to the public at large, and most vendors were aware of this. If a woman rep was smart, she would use her feminine instincts to her advantage, giving customers an, “oh, you big strong man, you!” vibe.

    Men do have an innate “expert,” gene that I’m sure is challenging for women to deal with, but if women don’t let it evolve into a confrontation, they can charm men by letting them believe they’re the experts they think they are. I always tried to keep my expert gene in check, but I still had problems with every female sales rep from California that I ever dealt with. If you asked them a technical question that they couldn’t answer, they took it as an affront, sometimes making up an answer so they wouldn’t look stupid. If you asked to speak with someone who might know the answer, they really got offended. They would sometimes lose sales due to rudeness to make some vague feminist “point.”

    Female vendors from Montana, Tennessee or Colorado, on the other hand, were very pleasant to deal with…usually preferable to men, in my opinion. Even New York women were pleasant by comparison. This was several years ago, and I always saw it as a California thing, but it may have expanded beyond California by now.

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  9. I’m glad Haidt managed to have the students participate in an open and civil debate. That said, it would be the height of naiveté to expect the overwhelming majority of students, who already self-identify as liberal, to work enthusiastically to change a school culture in which they feel free to speak their minds and in which those they consider enemies must walk on egg shells.

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  10. It’s amusing how these uber-conformist SJW children of the rich and powerful to a woman identify as “left-wing.”

    They’re about as left-wing as Richelieu.

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  11. Meanwhile, in China they expect more than 3,400 cases of AIDS to be reported by the end of the year among students18-22 by the end of the year, with something like 81% contracted via gay sex.

    http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2015-11/25/content_22518516.htm

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  12. If white girls decontextualize those verbal bullying skills it will blow up in their face later on when they look for a mate in their 20′s. By that time boys will have been exposed to it and know what to look out for, so when their date sinks a couple nasty verbal daggers into them, he drops her.

    I suspect this is already happening since a lot as girls are encouraged to go full on hostile towards boys. They really make staying in the dorm and playing CofD or doing a solitary hike on the weekend look attractive as compared to going on a date with a two legged pit viper with a schizoid personality.

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  13. People don’t believe me when I tell them that thanks to feminism and women’s sexual freedom, America will fill up with adult male virgins, like in Japan. Then we read stories like this. Speculations about the effects of environmental hormones aside, the feminist death cult has managed to create disincentives hostile to boys’ natural drive to seek out mates by subjecting the less attractive young men to social, economic and even legal sanctions if they show sexual interest in girls.

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  14. But does is really make the female majority happier in the long run?

    A 25% rate of women today reliant on anti-depressants suggest not.

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    Forget the harpies, let the Syrian refugees have them. Remember one thing, shrews only get worse over time, never better; if they’re on the borderline now they’ll be unbearable later. Do not invest. Ukrainian women are better looking anyway, cast your eyes upon them and be pleased.

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  16. ‘Left-wing’ means identifying with groups perceived as powerless or less powerful–women, gays, brown people, LGBTCBY, etc.

    ‘Working class’ isn’t really in there anymore, which lets the elites pocket even more money while leftists spend all their time dissecting levels of oppression and chastising trailer park occupants for their privilege instead of organizing unions.

    A lot of you probably disagree, but society actually does need a left to deal with problems of excess inequality–indeed, concentration of wealth in too few hands is at least in part responsible for politicians responding only to donor bases, which exacerbates problems with a strong populist-vs-elitist slant like excess immigration and offshoring jobs–what if Republican presidential candidates had to respond to their voters, rather than their donors like Sheldon Adelson? AIPAC would also be a lot less powerful.

    But now that the left is preoccupied with race and gender to the exclusion of class–well, the rich can move around a few positions on boards, give them to their daughters and a few token brown people, and keep shipping jobs overseas and cheap labor in (as well as giving themselves tax cuts).

    There’s a populist-elitist axis as well as a left-right axis, and the elitists have taken over left and right. That, I think, is the problem (one of them anyway).

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  17. “But does it really make the female majority happier in the long run?”

    Short answer? A world of no.

    And of course, whose fault will that be? (We’ll return to the Wonderful World of Rhetorical Questions after a message from our sponsor ….)

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  18. SFG,

    Agree with you 100 %. I came to this position from the left. Of those who agree with you how many are left wingers versus right wingers ?

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    It’s hard to deal with these sorts of girls, because they take a small scale personal conflict and escalate it into a societal issue and rope as many others into the drama as possible.

    They will force all their Facebook friends and teachers, and other authority figures to get involved in the issue and choose a side…and god help whoever chooses the wrong side.

    There is a fear of getting labelled a rape apologist or racist or ugly monster. Once you are tainted by these accusations, you can find yourself socially isolated…which is something no teenager wants.

    I think the changes happening are really affecting girls most of all. Boys are pretty much as they always were in private or among themselves – but they are smart enough to not want to stick their necks out and get themselves in trouble

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  20. Of course, most of that talent has been deployed over the millennia against their rivals in the sexual marketplace, other females (although little brothers and henpecked husbands have been victims too).

    So poor pathetic White guys are now victims of:

    black guys

    muslims

    illegal mexicans

    feminists

    cultural Marxists

    and now…………………..little girls!!!

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  21. Guys, what are your thoughts on this?

    http://www.salon.com/2015/11/25/i_fcked_a_republican_on_thanksgiving/

    This leaves me confused.

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  22. the worst part is how blind the american “left wing” is to this

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  23. >Study: Most Plastics Leach Hormone-Like Chemicals : NPR<

    ruining class

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_Operations_%28United_States%29

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  24. Naah, it’s easy. Chicks dig bad boys.

    She defines ‘bad boy’ as ‘Republican’, which kind of makes sense in her milieu. Sort of the like way Hollywood made Nazis sexy by making them powerful and evil, and launched a thousand BDSM fetishes.

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  25. For Steve Sailer-men, the emasculating of men began and ended with the fact that self-respecting, successful women don’t give a shit about Steve Sailer-men, and that lack of attention drives the Steve Sailer-men crazy.

    You have to be an idiot or just Steve Sailer to believe that 0% of men feel free around women. I’m guessing revenge porn, dick pics and “smile more, honey” just exists in the figment of women’s imaginations. On the other hand, some women tell men to shut up. The humanity!

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  26. What’s the line?
    “there’ll be no final victor in the War Between the Sexes.”

    Because there’s too much fraternizing with the enemy.

    Although much less so than when Kissinger said it.

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  27. I know the Chateau Heartiste angle, but I can’t explain to myself the kind of exhibitionism that makes you write this, especially if your cuckolded husband might read it. Also, the article gives you the sense that the political vitriol is tearing Americans apart. The woman actually demonizes and dehumanizes people of a different political color in a two-party state. I’ve never experienced anything like this at any family reunion, with or without strangers. My parents, and they’re not alone in this, wouldn’t even tell me who they voted for, saying it’s impolite to ask. If politics is not studiously avoided, then it’s trivialized. My relative in the military tells me about being in Iraq and Afghanistan, my doctor relative tells me about the state of the health system, some international relations seep in, but I don’t think anyone would go “you dirty fascist” or something like that. And there’s certainly no political proselytizing. I think the younger generation, growing up with American media, is more political, but in an aimless way, more for status points. They’re actually emoting American (lefty) liberalism, but in a sterile way, since it has no bearing on their society. We have no Blacks to oppress, no slavery we feel the need to atone for (the beauty of late feudalism is that your ancestors were likely slaves/serfs as well, not just the Roma, they were just freed earlier) etc. I particularly like ganging up on my girlfriend with her mother to hector her about refugees, on which she started out as a good little European values goodwhite. The refugee thing has become my own little “Carthago delenda est” and I keep undermining her and her friends’ (all of them women, the men take what I give them as ammo) worldview with hatefacts.

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  28. Has everyone here forgotten the decades long dosing of millions of boys who showed “inappropriate behavior” with Ritalin?

    Maybe Obama should have the Air Force and Navy bomb ISIS’s water supply with Ritalin.

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  29. A troll, a slut, or both.

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    One word….Clickbait

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  31. A lot of you probably disagree, but society actually does need a left to deal with problems of excess inequality…

    Why would you say that? I believe quite a few people on this forum understand perfectly well the problems of excess inequality. And I mean here inequality in its various forms, i.e. economic (shipping middle class factory jobs overseas while importing third worlders to do IT/retail/service jobs), ethnic (again importing third worlders), cognitive (NAMs, both indigenous and imported), etc.

    Anybody who’s traveled a bit would have realized that more harmonious societies are also more homogenous, i.e. less unequal. Examples: NW and central Europe before huge influx of immigrants, Japan, Korea. Who (at least among us here) wouldn’t want to live in the U.S. that is like the U.S. from the fifties? It’s well before my time but we’ve all heard and read plenty about it. What’s not to like?

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  32. Anyone who would marry that deserves what he gets.

    It left me disgusted.

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  33. A factor in the feminization of young white males over recent decades — at least as regards public school students — has been lower participation rates in the contact sports due to at least two factors:

    1) school and school district consolidation beginning mainly in the 1970s: This resulted in much larger consolidated high schools where sports like football became increasingly the domain of elite athletes. My county in western North Carolina had 9 small community high schools in the 1950s and early 1960s. Each high school had a football team, for example. Now, with it has 3 high schools, and that’s with a population about twice as large as when there were nine high schools. Where there was once 9 quarterbacks, there are now 3.

    2) racial integration: This put whites, who mature about a year later than blacks, at a disadvantage in competition for starting positions, quite apart for innate average differences in the foot speed, for example.

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  34. This post is emblematic of typical old man talk with no more than a topical understanding of the current youth or even the youth of years past. At times Steve seems tripped up by the theater of today’s rebellious young adult rather than its actual substance. Whether the fashion is flapper ware, smoking or wearing tie dye. The outward imagine and behaviors are irrelevant. It’s simply an expression of precociousness except the mechanism has changed.

    Now women think they really can wear big boy pants and do everything a man can do. The crushing reality of a limited time span of attractiveness combined with the cruel certainty of loneliness outside of the traditional monogamous paradigm will wear out these neo-feminists.

    And they will all be doomed to multiple cat ownership. No need to fret.

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  35. The jiujitsu move of turning the enemy’s attacks against itself is prominent among white nationalists. One Priss Factory is the most consistent exponent of this tactic, advocating that whites seek safe places. (One supposes, also claiming “micro-aggression.”) But Steve Sailer is not above partaking.

    The fact is, it isn’t unusual for the high status group (here, whites) to be subject to worse speech restrictions than the masses are subject to.

    It’s obfuscating to turn the free speech issue into one of gender oppression, just for the pleasure of turning the tables.

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    OT:

    Here’s the coalition of the fringes in action

    The who is the muslim aboriginal and the whom is a jew

    Pretty funny.

    Also, Andrew Bolt, Australia’s leading “conservative” pundit, doesn’t have any sympathy for the jew being abused in the video

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/tribal_warfare_in_melbourne/

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  37. Prozac and pills that control or almost eliminate their periods are what allow tens of millions of women to survive in jobs until retirement. This regimen permits women to experience some of the calm, steady nature of men, and they’ll never give it up.

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  38. I read a few paragraphs, estimated its source and target IQ to be less than 110 and hit ‘backspace’.

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  39. It’s amusing how these uber-conformist SJW children of the rich and powerful to a woman identify as “left-wing.”

    They’re about as left-wing as Richelieu.

    The goal of the Left is to obtain wealth and power for themselves, and they’ve been extremely successful. Why in the world would you expect the “rich and powerful” to be somewhere other than the Left? Five hundred years ago, sure, but now?

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  40. There is method to this madness of course. By fostering war against their white brothers, fathers, and male peers, the left helps decimate the population, making it easier to replace them with more leftist lower IQ third-worlders who will be compliant in keeping them in power and paying no attention as the regime becomes more fascist. Everything the leftist does is aimed at gaining and maintaining political power.

    On a different subject, your July piece on the lightening of Neymar is at the top of Unz again. Comments are closed, but it occurred to me that Neymar almost certainly dreams of becoming the next Ayrton Senna. Senna’s funeral in 1994 was a State spectacle of the type you’d imagine for a Pope.

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  41. Romanian,

    The woman who wrote the article you linked to is a woman filled with resentment, revilement and a budding remorse. One can only hope and pray that she has enough awareness to prevent the world which made a home in her from making a home in her child.

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  42. I’m impressed Haidt mentioned Marcuse. It feels like there was a big intellectual counter offensive against the “cultural Marxism conspiracy theory” recently.

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    Most ordinary Americans generally avoid talking about things like politics or religion at dinners and get togethers, especially when they’re larger affairs and there’s people you don’t know as well or see as often and their guests and stuff.

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  44. A lot of you probably disagree, but society actually does need a left to deal with problems of excess inequality–indeed, concentration of wealth in too few hands….

    But now that the left is preoccupied with race and gender to the exclusion of class….

    The Left has never had any concern for issues of “class”. The back-and-forth between Trotsky and Dewey makes it clear that class conflict was a means to another end.

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  45. Part of the problem is that civil debate is so rare nowadays from any corner. On the mainstream left it’s pretty much completely discouraged towards members of “privileged” groups. So these children have had few real models of civil and rational discussion, and they’ve been actively indoctrinated into thinking that people who think different from them are evil.

    While the seeds for all this were planted long ago, this has really only started to bloom in the last few years. It may seem like a short time for us adults but for a 17 year old this is all they’ve known since they reached the formal operational stage of thought.

    Since Seattle is essentially Ground Zero of the SJW phenomenon, and since “elite” thought is so thoroughly cucked at this point, it’s hardly a surprise that students at this elite high school would react like they did.

    I really like Haidt and his work but I figured he could have seen this coming.

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  46. Can you tell us what you mean by that? I doubt I’m the only one here who has never taken much interest in internecine communist disputes.

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  47. I, for one, welcome our estrogenic plastic overwrap.

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  48. Centrist, do you always repeat the same thing under Steve’s blogposts? I.e. that evil capitalists are behind all our worries and that in particular they have conspired to create the feminist movement.
    I mean, everyone here has already understood your great political discovery and you could – maybe? – give some other pearls of your wisdom, like a hypothesis on the capitalistic origins of the concept of ‘safe-space’ or some other highly literate and empirically proven idea.

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  49. The fact is, it isn’t unusual for the high status group (here, whites) to be subject to worse speech restrictions than the masses are subject to.

    But Whites aren’t high-status. We may be high status in a sense, or from a particular perspective, but we’re low-status in other senses and from other perspectives. Officially, and the government’s official policy is pretty damn important, Whites are the lowest-status population in the country.

    And it isn’t unusual for low-status groups to be subjected to persecution by high-status groups.

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  50. That was certainly an interesting read.

    One must take all Salon stories with a grain of salt. There’s a significant chance that they’re all creative writing exercises.

    Anyway, not that the US wasn’t politically polarized back in 2004 but it’s far worse now. There’s simply no common ground left. I despair for the future.

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  51. White Dems are a dying breed. Blacks and Aztecs, not so much.

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  52. Meanwhile, in China they expect more than 3,400 cases of AIDS to be reported by the end of the year among students 18-22…

    Being China, their production will no doubt increase exponentially until they become the world’s leading exporter.

    How many are in a case, by the way? Twelve?

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  53. It’s interesting that many American teen movies tend to portray blonde females as nasty and sophisticated, and brunettes as nice but naive girls from humble backgrounds. In reality it often tends to be the opposite – blondes are more likely to be homely “dog girls” and brunettes are urbane, “cat girls.”

    Also, I am the only person to notice that among whites blonde females tend to be better at sports than brunettes. Perhaps this is just a British and Australian thing, but there tends to be a disporportionately high percentage of blonde females into hockey, soccer, cricket, surfing, skiing etc.

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  54. Built into your words is the assumption that the sexes are the same. They are not.

    This “free speech issue” puts boys down more than girls, and the evidence is right in front of your face, but you choose to “obfuscate” it by sneaking your assumptions about the sexes into your argument without stating or admitting it.

    What you just did is “prominent” among anti-white racists.

    Happy Thanksgiving.

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  55. OT:

    Devastating analysis of the Harvard Law School hate crime hoax by Harvard Law School students.

    https://royallasses.wordpress.com/2015/11/24/0-relax/

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  56. I taught an esoteric subject at university and the result was that all the students in my groups got to know each other really well. The overall behaviour of the group depended on the alpha female, who was not always the prettiest or the brightest. The alpha-female in my best ever class was a Welsh girl and her side-kick. The side-kick was an A-student with film star good looks. The alpha female was neither of those things.

    The worst class was when I was a mature student in NZ. The chief bitch was a conceited little viper. She was moderately pretty and not at all bright, but back-stabbing and cruelty was how she made her mark and asserted her authority.

    At another university, I had a real problem class (two were sent down). I took the alpha-female aside and we had a frank discussion. She was not a particularly nice person, but she saw the error of her ways and things had turned around within two weeks.

    Women enforce social norms far more than men do. This is why the popularity of PC among women is such a problem. They do not face you like a man. They spread poison behind the back of their chosen victims.

    HBD-friendly groups need women and Jews (for their esprit de corps and IQ). Driving them away is folly. I have tried to appeal to their self-interest by pointing out that the people moving to Europe and violently anti-Semitic and misogynistic. I have had a lot more success with Jews than white women, who take a perverse pride in holding two mutually incompatible positions.

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    To put this in perspective, new cases of HIV in the US are around 50,000 per year:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/04/health/04hiv.html

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  58. I’ve been saying for 20 years that youngsters weren’t having sex. In the mid ’90′s, people would disagree by citing condom sales figures.

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  59. But Whites aren’t high-status.

    A (very small) subset of whites are high(est) status. They’ve figured out that it is in their interest to propagate the lie that the average white (also applies to male) partakes in the privileges which go along with that status. The lie serves to deflect attention away from that subset and toward those who would other be their most serious competition.

    Creating a fake Left has proven to be a brilliant stroke in executing this strategy.

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  60. I think all the female blaming of the far-right blogs is an attempt by men to feel like they are making a difference without attacking the real troublemakers.

    I’m a woman of Gen X or whatnot and I don’t remember the boys ever being bullied. The only people who bullied me to be politically liberal were the non-white girls.

    I’ve never had a problem with fellow blondes…anywhere around the globe.

    Instead of saying ‘Girls or Women’ I would like to know what racial/ethnic type of ‘Women/Girls’ are we specifically discussing?

    I mean if your going to try to be all race conscious around a girl who could conceivably pass as hispanic/arab/jewish then well…you deserve what you get!

    It’s so much easier to sit around talking about the shortcomings of modern day women then actually you know worry about what the people running Goldman Sachs are up to or where Soros is going to strike next.

    Deep down inside you guys are freaking out about the women because you know you can’t do anything about Soros.

    This is what being powerless feels like.

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  61. “Like I’ve been saying for a long time, there’ll be no final victor in the War Between the Sexes.”

    Ok, I’m getting confused. You also tend to finish with “There won’t be a final victor in the War Between the Sexes because there’s too much fraternizing with the enemy.”

    Which is it, Steve? Obviously its a good thing if the fraternizing continues, at least in theory anyway. Unless the Mean Girls can figure out how to put the kibosh on all the fraternizing.

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  62. In movies, it might be the old Jewish love of thinking of themselves as these down-home Lower East Side types fighting against the evil WASPs. Of course this gets reversed in reality with big city types (disproportionately Jewish, some Italians) and heartlanders (Germanic and hence blonde).

    You see a similar dynamic with rom-coms, I think.

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  63. It’s predictable garbage, exaggerated when not made up entirely from whole cloth.

    Like that fake rape story in Rolling Stone.

    And yeah, girls like bad boys, as SFG said.

    Also, I speed-read the story, and I didn’t get any indication that she herself was as good a lover as she wants us to believe. She being politically left, I would expect her to be as disappointing as the mythical Republican she says she fucked for 15 seconds. (I wonder if that was Haven Monahan.)

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  64. Comrade Rifleman, how goes battle with moose and squirrel?

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  65. This is one reason why I don’t touch American or Canadian women with a 10 foot pole.

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  66. Let me get this straight, Mr. SoothSailor. You base your claim “When society encourages mean girls to bully boys” solely on the testimony of one social psychologist–a “soft” science that has previously come under criticism on this fine blog!–who based his conclusions in part with his interaction with one high school. You would think that your source would provide other than anecdotal evidence, which can be rife with confirmation bias. Now, it is certainly can be true that today’s boys may be “bullied” by girls, that today’s boys are “not has manly” as their fathers and grandfathers, but you’re going to have to do more than merely his “expertise”.

    “But outside of The Righteous Mind, liberals (like most people) don’t think abstractly.”

    Corrected for accuracy –> Some PEOPLE do not think abstractly.

    Now, two studies came to the conclusion that liberals compared to conservatives are better at abstract thinking.

    http://psp.sagepub.com/content/41/2/250.abstract

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/01/150122114428.htm

    Then, there is this interesting study.

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/09/07/your-brain-on-politics-the-cognitive-neuroscience-of-liberals-and-conservatives/#.VlfyKGSrT9M

    “Recent converging studies are showing that liberals tend to have a larger and/or more active anterior cingulate cortex, or ACC—useful in detecting and judging conflict and error—and conservatives are more likely to have an enlarged amygdala, where the development and storage of emotional memories takes place. More than one study has shown these same results, which is why I felt it was worth investigating. A few questions to keep in mind: If these differences do legitimately exist, how can—or better yet—how should we use this knowledge? How can insight gained from research of this kind prove helpful in the quest for more effective communication across party lines? Can empathy and understanding of personality differences, without judgments or stereotyping, aid in the productivity of political debates around topics such as climate change or evolution?”

    Ben Tillman–But Whites aren’t high-status.

    Ben, can you please make up your mind? I thought “whites” developed civilization and maintain it even today. So, why the seemingly change of heart?

    Ben Tillman–The goal of the Left is to obtain wealth and power for themselves, and they’ve been extremely successful.

    Corrected for accuracy –> The goal of some people, both left and right, is to obtain wealth and power for themselves, and they’ve been extremely successful.

    AdvancedAtheist–People don’t believe me when I tell them that thanks to feminism and women’s sexual freedom, America will fill up with adult male virgins, like in Japan.

    They shouldn’t believe you. Men are still dating, still marrying, still carousing. Just ask the Manosphere.

    Anony-Mouse–Emasculated male Democrats now (and Democrats is what these kids are) means fewer Democrats in the future.

    Assuming that male Democrats are indeed emasculated in large numbers.

    Radical Centrist–that strategy of making females into pseudo-males also pays off for rich investors–more aggressive females are more likely to be able to better compete against males in the workforce…thus increasing the supply of labor and consumers, depressing wage, increasing sales, increasing the GDP and economic growth. Makes the rich richer.

    That’s an interesting theory. Have any evidence to back up your assertion? Any sources I can sink my teeth into?

    “At another university, I had a real problem class (two were sent down). I took the alpha-female aside and we had a frank discussion. She was not a particularly nice person, but she saw the error of her ways and things had turned around within two weeks.”

    Cool story, bro.

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  67. There’s a problem with the “Mean Girls” analogy. In Social Justice Mean Girls, The hot chicks aren’t the villains. Head Cheerleaders typically have the social awareness to not fully believe that the patriarchy is against them. There’s a certain type of girl, who’s smart enough to do mental gymnastics but hyper sensitive to the smallest slight. It’s like the social part of their brain is constantly working overtime assigning negative motives onto men. Modern feminism strikes me as paranoid about men

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  68. Steve, no one is putting guns to girls heads to make them PC-Red Guard their male peers. They do it willingly.

    I’d say most women and girls prefer the way things are — with the vast majority of their male peers emasculated. And indeed, there ARE definitive and “final” winners in the war between the sexes … if you realize that old school monogamy is dead dead dead. Killed by the pill, condom, anonymous urban living, rising female income and status, leaving hypergamy free to play.

    Most women and girls if given a choice would share a few high status, dominant men, with achingly brief encounters, over a lifetime of beta male devotion. When beta male provisioning becomes worthless/devalued by rising female income and declining male wages and relative status/power, even more so.

    There is a *reason* this stuff happens all the time. Women like emasculating men, its got a name among PUAs lets call it here the “stuff test.” (You can guess the real name, I understand this is a G rated blog).

    Women love love love to “stuff test” a man to find out if he’s the real Alpha deal or a mewling beta male pretender. Emasculate 95% of men, and by definition those left are the real Alpha deal. Again most women would prefer to share an Alpha than have ALL of a beta male.

    This is why btw that most women support mass Third World immigration particularly Muslims. And why “Chicks dig Chechens.” They ache for a man to simply dominate them and take charge, and will happily slave away at two jobs supporting their weed smoking, MMA wannabe, drug murdering and terrorist husbands. Paging Mrs. Tsarnaev, Mrs. Tsarnaev, your pressure cooker is ready. [As if she didn't know.]

    What Roissy/Heartiste does is the Lord’s Work. Men and **especially** boys need to know PUA stuff, and yes this means the end of monogamy and the nuclear family but that was baked into the cake the moment birth control became cheap and reliable and women moved into the workforce.

    Heartiste had a discussion recently of Drug Dealer Game. Pretending to be a Drug Dealer, particularly an “intelligent” one who is “thinking of going straight” is like crack to women. They can’t get enough of it. In HS, after all, who just tells girls to shove it and has them swooning? Thug or Old School Clean Cut Athletes who are BMOC, the school drug dealer, and other uber-dominant men. And as girls emasculate more and more of their male peers, they demand ever more dominance in their men. Probably most of the HS girls Haidt talked to would be happy in burqua being told what to do for the rest of their lives.

    Example: Angela “Let’s Flood All of Europe with Muslims” Merkel. It doesn’t stop even after menopause.

    This is why the “personal is the political” and it is vital for every White man and boy to Alpha up as much as possible.

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  69. The fact is, it isn’t unusual for the high status group (here, whites) to be subject to worse speech restrictions than the masses are subject to.

    Over here in reality practically every society in recorded history placed far harsher restrictions on lower status castes than on higher status ones; it’s so lopsided that I can’t think of even one clear exception to this rule.

    It’s almost impressive in a way that you can write transparently obvious and utterly idiotic lies so easily, but then again I guess it just comes naturally to you. It’s scary to think that you (and people like you) get away with it so much of the time.

    NB: Since when did ~37% of the population become “the masses”?

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  70. I came to this position from the left

    I’m one of nature’s right-wingers but in the last decade and a bit I’ve come to realize that globalization has a serious downside even if commies say so, old-style labour leaders were correct to oppose massive low-wage immigration, economists say whatever their sponsors want them to say, and “conservative” political parties assiduously serve their big business donors while abusing their small-business middle-class base. Another guy who figured a lot of this out before I did once told me that the journey from liberal to conservative is no big deal, it’s the journey from conservative to reactionary that is truly transformative.

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  71. Fairly typical of most educated, professional women. They want a companion who is a sexless, teddy bear provider, and hot sex with bad boys. I think for a brief moment they can get it, but not for long. Eventually the teddy bear provider will disgust them, and probably catch on. Female infidelity is a deal breaker for the vast majority of men and always will be (deeply closeted gays the exception of course).

    Women of course enjoy degrading themselves. They find it Fifty Shades of Grey hot.

    Can the nuclear family as a widespread institution survive with most men knowing the true nature of female sexuality and desire? The utter unlikelihood of most women remaining faithful for those who are not uber Alpha? I would say, no. [The story was a woman's fantasy made for other women to read and find "hot." Or, gay-marriage norming straight marriage.]

    Like it or not, Whites are simply moving to Black norms of reproduction and family: single moms, kids with different bad boys, no fatherly involvement or support (why would there be any?) and men focused completely on being the baddest, sexiest, bad boys around. With the dearth of male cooperation and wealth building that implies. Asians *may* resist this for some time, but even in China and Japan you see signs of the same thing. I think even Mormons will dissolve under female hypergamy.

    Women can certainly have sexual freedom. Getting a man to stick around on the other hand is pretty unlikely. Women certainly don’t like it, but chose it freely.

    Call it the Reverse Jane Austen. Instead of aunts and sisters and friends preaching choosiness and chastity until a woman chooses, its girrrrrrrrrllllll! power to slutty eleventy!!!11!! But its what women want to hear.

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  72. I speed-read that, so I only lost a few minutes of my life. Note the description of the author,

    … a writer and academic advisor in Chicago.

    That means she’s on the staff of some community college, telling prospective students what prerequisites they need and how to apply for financial aid. She doesn’t make any money from writing or she wouldn’t be in Salon.

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  73. Ritalin is a stimulant.

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  74. Girls are far more cruel than boys. But girls used to spare boys from their cruel games. You could say it was a form of female chivalry. Girls used to consider it a big no-no to pick on boys. Girls who did that were often severely punished by other girls.

    Now, the whole female “empowerement” thing is about women using the skills they have that are clearly superior to men’s to feel superior. It is pure cowardice. The strong picking on the weak. Because boys lack the malice and subtlety in “reading” people that girls have, and they cannot articulate words as quickly and fluently as girls can either. There is a very small number of boys who are natural politicians who can, just like there is a very small number of tough and muscled girls that can fight boys physically, but these are rare exceptions. Here is the catch:

    A girl is not only allowed but encouraged to use her superior verbal and interpersonal skills to crush boys socially, but boys are not allowed to use their superior physical strength and power to do the same to girls. How is this a fair arrangement?

    And Steve Sailer, like many men who argue against feminism, is using the angle that feminism sucks because it is actually bad for women. I hate that. What if feminism was truly best for women? Would it be ok considering that it hurts men? What I hate most about many men that speak against feminism is that they always do so from the angle of women’s well-being. Men seem to have this mental illness that they just can’t put the interest of their own gender on the same level or above that of the opposite sex. It is like men are hard-wired to think about the well-being of women first, and feel ashamed of being against something vile that women do simply because it is bad for men.

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  75. A gross.

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  76. there’s also this thing where they say we lived in the best of times and that the past is Hitler, “misogyny” and whatnot.

    When someone points out the social rot, they invariably say something to the effect that the past is irredeemably evil and they invoke Pinker’s book which “proves” that violence has gone down.

    when someone as much as says “I like innocent old movies”, they’re like “OMG what do you mean innocent, what about the Holocaust-racism-misogyny!!!eleven”

    It’s scary. Imagine hordes of SJWs with a huge chip on their shoulder in charge of libraries, archives etc.

    And of course, they don’t see how in the end, they’re defending the status quo, a thoroughly elitist activity to start with that alone would undermine the little leftist street cred they have.

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  77. Interesting. This attempt to be constructive will do nothing of course, since they are only saying they want to support freedom of expression. The girls are bullying the dissenters because the authority figures as the school permit and encourage it. The brownshirts are thugs but they aren’t the problem. As petty aggressors the girls will pay no price whatsoever. The boys are learning a valuable lesson — the system is not your friend.

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  78. Spot on about the role of money and corporations. The left seems to have gotten itself a nice little ideological monopoly on being critical of those forces. How convenient.

    (OT: Seen your blog. You say: “And again I ask–why am I the only person on earth to see this yet?” You’re not. Check my “Website” link (not my site) for Richard D. Fuerle’s “Erectus Walks Amongst Us”)

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  79. They’ve figured out that it is in their interest to propagate the lie that the average white (also applies to male) partakes in the privileges which go along with that status. The lie serves to deflect attention away from that subset and toward those who would other be their most serious competition.

    Forty years ago there was white privilege for whites of all classes and the New Left back then made a bid deal about it. Working class whites did have a leg up, such as Irish-Americans hiring the same and their fellow Catholics for big city fire and police jobs. But this has dwindled down to zero and gone negative by today. What we have today is non-white privilege via non-whites hiring their own kind and via affirmative action. There are also “old boy” networks of women, lesbians and gays who do their best hire people same as themselves in university administration jobs and various FedGuv and State and county agencies. Congressional staff has trended very gay for years. Of course they can do this with complete impunity. Though maybe once per year you read of a white male or female in Gov’t or public school system suing due to harassment and being denied promotions due to black racism.

    Gay privileged— That awful open borders DHS head Janet (from another planet) Napolitano got hired (2013) as president of the California state university system. She has been getting gov’t checks for at least 25 straight years and will eventually get pensions paid by Arizona, Federal Gov’t, California

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  80. Are these women not in fact acting in their own self-interest? There is no way dangerous immigrants will hold any power at all in the communities in which this class of women will live. You want high status women to support average white people. How do you do that?

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  81. Genetic footprint of vikings?

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  82. Yep.

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  83. The U. of California system has an Old Lesbians Network among the administrators, such as the UC Santa Cruz president who jumped off the highrise of her girlfriend (for whom she had gotten a $180k job with UC).

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  84. There’s a lot of fraternizing with the enemy.

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  85. This is a monumental and multi-layered analysis of Haidt’s crucial work. I know that of the 8 major points made all are true, but I’ve never seem them written down or logically laid out, just as one can know many things without having the genius to really and clearly understand them. I’m genuinely astounded.

    Perhaps you don’t even realise how interesting this post is?

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  86. sorry about that….did I trigger you? You might wanna go to your safe space, hon….

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  87. White Dems are a dying breed. Blacks and Aztecs, not so much

    Did you read the article? They own education, including the media, and so they own your kids.

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  88. Anonymous wrote:

    Boys are pretty much as they always were in private or among themselves – but they are smart enough to not want to stick their necks out and get themselves in trouble

    Have you ever read Tom Wolfe’s essay “Mau-Mauing the Flak Catchers”? The punchline is that all of the pampered little minorities who get to act out their grievances end up, in the end, back in the projects living miserable lives.

    I.e., the joke is on these kids who are flexing their rhetorical muscles trying to intimidate their betters. Yeah, a few of them will get sinecures as affirmative-action counselors or whatever. But most of them are going to end up with lousy lives.

    I kind of feel sorry for them. Of course, I can’t help indulging myself occasionally just telling the truth to an SJW to see if I can cause him/her to have a coronary.

    Dave

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  89. Also, I am the only person to notice that among whites blonde females tend to be better at sports than brunettes. Perhaps this is just a British and Australian thing,

    Hair dye.

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  90. Also, I am the only person to notice that among whites blonde females tend to be better at sports than brunettes. Perhaps this is just a British and Australian thing, but there tends to be a disporportionately high percentage of blonde females into hockey, soccer, cricket, surfing, skiing etc.

    OK but are they natural blonds? Though tinting their hair blond will/might make them go blond as far as blond behavior. What they think blond behavior is. So is it blond genetics at work or brunettes going blond too? Inquiring men’s minds want to know for beach volleyball and tennis. Golf….not as much.

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  91. Agree with you 100 %. I came to this position from the left. Of those who agree with you how many are left wingers versus right wingers ?

    I’m centre-left on economic issues and a social conservative (in fact by today’s standards I’m an arch-reactionary on social issues). I don’t see myself as having moved away from the Left – it was the Left that moved away from me. My views on social issues haven’t changed much. 25 years ago my views on social issues were quite acceptable in leftist circles. 50 years ago they’d have been absolutely mainstream on the Left.

    I also found that the leftist party here (the Labor Party) was moving away from me on economic issues. They used to be an actual left-wing party. Now they’re a party of big business but ultra-hard left on social issues.

    It was political correctness that disillusioned me with the Left. Particularly the intolerance displayed by feminists.

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  92. Are these women not in fact acting in their own self-interest? There is no way dangerous immigrants will hold any power at all in the communities in which this class of women will live. You want high status women to support average white people. How do you do that?

    It’s easy. You both appeal to their better side and troll them with how you and yours will be driven to join IS.

    Both carrot and stick.

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  93. Best to use the half foot pole for that purpose.

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  94. I remember on the last Saturday night of the 1984 L.A. Olympics standing in a ice cream shop in Westwood behind three Swedish Olympic Team couples out on a date. They likely had some athletic and good looking blond children.

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  95. Let me get this straight, Mr. SoothSailor. You base your claim “When society encourages mean girls to bully boys” solely on the testimony of one social psychologist–a “soft” science that has previously come under criticism on this fine blog!

    Corvinus, you’re old.

    I bet you couldn’t find a normal man between 18 and 30 who wouldn’t see the value in Haidt’s piece. Nor could you find an honest woman who wouldn’t agree.

    Haidt’s on his way to being a voice of a generation and you’re stuck touting flawed studies about how brain science supposedly proves that ‘liberals’ are more rational than ‘conservatives.’

    Go away grandpa, don’t you have some skulls to measure?

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  96. I remember that. pix
    “Denton, a well-regarded engineer, had been named this spring in a series of articles examining UC management compensation. She had been criticized for an expensive university-funded renovation on her campus home, and for obtaining a UC administrative job for Kalonji.”

    Lesbians with money love owning multiple properties, also many are realtors. Ellen DeGeneres and girlfriend are always buying and selling properties near Hollywood and the lowest price I have seen was 20 million with the highest at 42 million iirc.
    “ellen degeneres new house 2014 Ellen DeGeneres new $40 million dollar mansion is insane! It sits on 2.3 acres, and the main house is over 13,000 square…..”

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  97. it’s the journey from conservative to reactionary that is truly transformative.

    It’s a journey worth taking.

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  98. “Also, I am the only person to notice that among whites blonde females tend to be better at sports than brunettes.”

    Among natural blondes, that might well be true. Women in the Nordic countries like sports more than women in the Mediterranean countries.

    Nobody seems less interested in sports than Mexican-American girls. Has there ever been a prominent Mexican-American female athlete? I used to assume that Lisa Fernandez, the great UCLA softball player of the 1980s, was a local Mexican-American girl, but she turns out to be Caribbean (Cuban and Puerto Rican) born in NYC.

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  99. Girls being more cruel than boys does not match my experience. Unless by cruel you mean “will not sleep with me”.

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  100. Girls are far more cruel than boys. But girls used to spare boys from their cruel games. You could say it was a form of female chivalry. Girls used to consider it a big no-no to pick on boys. Girls who did that were often severely punished by other girls.

    Now, the whole female “empowerement” thing is about women using the skills they have that are clearly superior to men’s to feel superior. It is pure cowardice. The strong picking on the weak. Because boys lack the malice and subtlety in “reading” people that girls have, and they cannot articulate words as quickly and fluently as girls can either. There is a very small number of boys who are natural politicians who can, just like there is a very small number of tough and muscled girls that can fight boys physically, but these are rare exceptions. Here is the catch:

    A girl is not only allowed but encouraged to use her superior verbal and interpersonal skills to crush boys socially, but boys are not allowed to use their superior physical strength and power to do the same to girls. How is this a fair arrangement?

    And this is the good side of women which we need to appeal to, ‘female chivalry.’

    For various personal reasons I am excellent at playing these games girls play. My girlfriend’s mother doesn’t know this however. So when my girlfriend starts acting in a non-chivalrous way to me, her mother shuts her down even before I can react. Her mother is a lovely lady, as is my girlfriend of course, but girls will be girls!

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  101. No, I think he’s onto something: if you take hair dye out of the equation, I bet natural blonde girls tend to be more into sports than natural brunettes. It could be nature, it could be nurture, I don’t know, but compare female sports participation in Sweden to Italy. Italian women are expected to spend a lot of time each day on grooming and seldom get intensely into sports.

    But, now that I think about it, there is the caveat that time spent in the sunshine and in chlorinated swimming pools tends to lighten hair, so girls on the swim team or cross country team, for example, tend to be blonder than they would be without environmental influences.

    So it’s a complicated question, but there is likely to be something there.

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  102. Here’s my 2006 VDARE article on the Old Lesbians Network at the top of the UC system:

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/diversity-is-strength-its-also-a-powerful-coterie-of-larcenous-lesbians

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  103. thanks for the link…however, I have actually seen that site before…maybe I got some ideas from there and forgot that and then thought they were my own ideas? :-)

    You mentioned my focus on the issue of how Big Money figures into every important aspect of america. For example, how Big Money figures into the development of feminism and the pseudo-male women of america. Someone else in this thread complained that I am obsessed with the issue of how big money figures into the development of our culture and just about everything else. But in my opinion big money is by far the dominant force in the development of just about every aspect of modern culture.

    So, in my eyes, any serious discussion on most any aspect of culture must account first and foremost for the role of big money. To fail to do so is akin to a rocket scientist failing to account for gravity. Big Money in american culture is like gravity in rocket science–the 800 pound gorilla in the room.

    As usual on the dissident/paleo Right discussions, the role of big money is either ignored or only covered tangentially. I find that telling. Why is the Dissident/Paleo Right so reluctant to put the role of big money upfront?

    My theory on this is that both political tribes in america are primarily the product of two separate propaganda campaigns by the elite in america. Modern american liberalism was primarily the product of upper class funding of writers and academics who favored a focus on females and nonwhites and the elevation of their social status via propaganda. Over decades, such propaganda has elevated females and nonwhites in status and lowered the social status of white males. This campaign was meant to increase the supply of workers and consumers. This campaignn was almost certainly a reaction to the immigration moratorium of the 1920s (and the immigration moratorium eventually led to the golden age of white labor in the 1950s–bad for Capital). The civil rights era was created by Capital’s multiculturalist propaganda in order to expand the supply of workers and consumers. Out of this labor-expansion propaganda campaign sprang modern american liberalism. Propaganda is the gasoline of the america mind.

    The conservative tribe is primarily the product of an anti-soviet propaganda campaign that got underway in the 1940s or maybe even as early as the 1920s. This propaganda campaign sacralized/made holy the idea of capitalism. Hence the reluctance of the dissident right to acknowledge that multiculturalism is not a tool of the Left but is instead a tool of Capital.The Dissident Right dogma holds Capital holy, which makes it awkward for them these days, seeing as how it is more and more obvious that mass immigration is not about leftism but about capitalism. And mass immigration and multiculturalism are blood brothers.

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  104. Buzz Mohawk wrote:

    It’s predictable garbage, exaggerated when not made up entirely from whole cloth

    When I was young and naive, I used to think stories like this were actually true.

    I also used to think that spokesmen on commercials really believed what they said about the blue and green crystals in the laundry detergent.

    Based on the comments on Salon, it seems that some people never do notice that, alas, a significant fraction of the human race are pathological liars.

    Dave

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  105. I’m light of the comment on ‘female chivalry’ I have a more comprehensive answer: troll them with how society will drop male chivalry if women don’t collectively live up to their side of the bargain.

    Which of course is actually what will eventually happen one way or another.

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  106. OT: Obama calls for us to let in millions of migrants during his Thanksgiving address, then turns into complete pussy when guy jumps the White House fence. I thought this president didn’t believe in walls and fences?

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  107. “HBD-friendly groups need women and Jews”

    Truly laughable, the group of people that are more responsible than anyone else for this now are going to switch sides ? First of all, they will never switch sides, the non white world is much more in their favour than a white one, white nationalism is by far a greater threat than the occasional terror attack. Second, what makes you think that most HBD-friendly groups would want them on our side ?

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  108. So in 2006 the Harvard mean girl professors found ways of ganging up on men such as Harvard President Lawrence Summers. Just as an aside, Donna Shalala is mentioned in your 2006 VDare. She now heads the Clinton Foundation. Hill and Humma and Donna…old lesbians networking. May be complete bs but repeated on Rush Limbaugh that Hill & Huma share a suite when on the road. As Secretary of State, campaigning for President etc

    In 2015, Shalala was brought in to head the Clinton Foundation. According to the New York Times, Chelsea Clinton helped persuade Shalala to leave the Miami position, move to New York and head the foundation.

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  109. “girls tend to be quick and sharp at interpersonal thinking with a talent for knowing precisely where to slip in the psychological stiletto”

    That’s my daughter you’re describing.

    “Unprovoked and awful charges—even so the she-bear fights,
    Speech that drips, corrodes, and poisons—even so the cobra bites,
    Scientific vivisection of one nerve till it is raw …”

    Heartiste’s “amused mastery” seems to be the only way to deal. Learned long ago there’s absolutely no point in employing logic.

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  110. Nancy Lopez of LPGA fame.

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  111. I just reread yours and noticed this: “The dog run for her (Denton’s) two border collies cost $30,000.” What a unique rip-off of the California taxpayers. Jumping put an end to this.

    UC President Napolitano to Receive $570k Base Salary
    July 20, 2013 By Josephine Djuhana
    Janet Napolitano Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano is now the new president of the University of California system, despite her lackluster track record as the secretary of Homeland Security and the glaring fact that she has virtually no educational experience under her belt whatsoever.

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  112. What happens when the “mean girls” are running the government?

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  113. But, now that I think about it, there is the caveat that time spent in the sunshine and in chlorinated swimming pools tends to lighten hair, so girls on the swim team or cross country team, for example, tend to be blonder than they would be without environmental influences.

    Another personal anecdote, but I spent a year and a half of my life almost permanently outdoors and/or in chlorinated swimming pools. Despite my short male hair, my girlfriend has asked a few times where my bright blond hair has gone.

    I suppose you need to be an American to have a good understanding of South v North European differences though.

    Having said all of that, it is much more likely for brunettes to dye their hair blonde than the other way around and I’d bet that people on TV including athletes are much more likely to dye their hair than those not on TV.

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  114. There you go.

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  115. Interestingly, Nancy Lopez got a huge number of endorsement deals especially for consumer packaged goods in the 1980s in part because she struck women as not very jockish, more feminine and maternal than the average jockette.

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  116. Leif Erikson’s sister, who terrorized the poor Skraelings of Vinland around 1000 AD, would be the captain of the field hockey team if she were in North America today.

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  117. I read a PJ O’Rourke article once that mentioned how few blonds he saw in Stockholm on a visit in February. I then went outside in downtown Chicago in July and saw a lot of blonds. There’s a lot of seasonality to hair color among white people.

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  118. When I was young and naive, I used to think stories like this were actually true.

    It could be partly true. The parts I doubted were mainly how long he lasted and to a lesser extent how big he was. If he was very experienced surely he would last longer, doubly so if inebriated.

    It doesn’t surprise me that women find right wing men attractive because such women are used to left wing men agreeing with them all the time and that won’t pass any shit tests. Women are biologically programmed to test for weakness. They want someone to protect them and their children.

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  119. But she got celebrated for “speaking truth to power” in the Larry Summers Brouhaha.

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  120. Maybe you need to relearn the vocabulary that would explain this. Take the words high/low, caste and slavery. What would describe certain Whites, the kind that make the world go round but can’t get no respect, is “high caste slaves”, like coders and the like, who have to walk on said eggshells. Blue collar and frayed collar Whites are low caste slaves. Look at South Africa. Meanwhile, minorities and the like can be high caste or low caste, but they’re free. In ancient times, the free, but very poor, Roman citizen was considered of higher standing than the slave tutoring a patrician’s son in Greek and mathematics. He also enjoyed a greater standing in front of the law and certain privileges (in the classical sense, of things being awarded to the few, not an innate trait of the many) not available to the slave.

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  121. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0393054586?keywords=megastates%20america&qid=1448622886&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1

    The Megastates of America Hardcover – 1972
    by Neal R Peirce (Author)
    1. New York – Still the ‘Seat of Empire’
    2. Massachusetts – A Golden Age?
    3. New Jersey – In the shadows of Megalopolis
    4. Pennsylvania – Twilight Time?
    5. Ohio – The Middle-Class Society
    6. Illinois and the Mighty Lakeside City: Where Clout Counts
    7. Michigan – Auto Empires and Unions
    8. Florida – The Man-made State
    9. Texas – Land of the Monied ‘Establishment’
    10. California – The Great Nation State

    I will be getting this book

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  122. The CM/FS theory is going mainstream. A veteran National Review-type conservative recently had a major book published on the topic:

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Devils-Pleasure-Palace-Subversion/dp/159403768X

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  123. From what I remember from the Mean Girls movie, Rachel McAdams et al. never targeted the boys. Of course, the content of this post better resembles my memory of the social power girls wielded back in my high school years. Moreover, my school would never have brought in a speaker who challenged the Narrative’s consequences quite like that.

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  124. About as left-wing as Robespierre, actually.

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  125. (1) Dubious, or downright corrupt, hiring practices are the norm at the university where I work. Judging by campus insiders’ blogs, ours isn’t the only one infected with crony-and-kickback disease. Yes, the people hired are all “distinguished”, or at least worthy of fawning write-ups in alumni mags and campus newsletters. (With student loan debt over $1 trillion, I suspect that exemplary RICO prosecutions of the most corrupt or most visible institutions are in the offing to help take down the higher ed lobby. That’s just a wild hunch.)

    (2) As an initial assumption, I’ll guess most of the full-time, tenured humanities and social sciences faculty here are so blinded by ideology (and institutional factors) that their capacity for scholarly inquiry is handicapped. I’m lampooning a bit, but they’re the Ph. D-ed guys and gals who “know” it’s all about money, or genitalia, or skin color, or economic interest, etc., when referring to the less educated masses. Complexity of motive and higher sensibility is something they regard as their province alone. Often true? Well, uh, maybe, often, sure, yeah, sometimes, okay, whatever. But, I wouldn’t bet a nickel that the academy can even recognize complexity of motive and higher sensibility in people other than themselves.

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  126. This sounds like something I call the Princess Syndrome.

    Thank goodness I’m out of high school.

    I’ve noticed this behavior amongst 20-something women in bars whenever I engage. If I say something off color, their nose wrinkles and I get the “That’s offensive!” line, followed by a pause, within which I’m supposed to grovel and beg forgiveness. The first few times I got this response, I myself paused , feeling like I was in the Twilight Zone, but thankfully never apologized.

    Now I’ve gotten a bit more aggressive, and if one of them pulls the “That’s offensive!” line, I laugh and tell them to blow it out their backside, or else to toughen up. If they persist in telling me how much what I said was “offensive”, I ask them and their friends if they’re always such a lousy person to hang out with. Then I stop talking to them.

    And for the record, I’m usually just making a minor joke involving sex or race or homosexuality. It’s nothing worse that what you might hear on Family Guy or Archer or South Park or some other partially-politically incorrect show. And I’m definitely not threatening them.

    A few of these girls even went to a bouncer/bartender to complain about what I’d said—in other words, they tried to tell the teacher. Note this was after I’d stopped talking to them and refusing to engage if they tried. The bouncers/bartenders usually tell them to just let it go, at which they get even angrier: it seems as if this is the first time in their lives that they couldn’t have an “offensive” person hung, drawn, and quartered at a whim.

    This is a Princess Syndrome: in school and in work environments, we’ve given women a princess-like power over men, the ability to yell “off with their heads” at any moment, and be completely obeyed without question. A privileged American woman might grow from childhood to mid-20s these days and might never have a moment where her feelings aren’t paramount over a male’s feelings or beliefs, and when she didn’t have the immediate power to ruin his life for hurting her feelings.

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  127. I totally agree that women are more cruel than men once we take violent interactions out of the picture. It’s very hard, if not mostly impossible, for straight men to realize the extent to which this is the case, because they are biologically programmed to protect women. Gay men, who professionally interact with large numbers of women, are more likely to be aware of the self-serving downside of women and less likely to feel as if they are walking on eggshells around them. Gay men don’t take women anywhere as seriously as straight men.

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  128. I don’t recall ever hearing about Senna before this.

    I just read his wikipedia article. Fighter jets escorting the plane carrying his coffin? The largest gathering of mourners in modern times? For a racing driver? Seriously, this is one of the most bizarre things I’ve ever read. I literally cannot comprehend how a racing driver dying during a race could result in such a histrionic response.

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  129. I would prefer that more girls become pleasant young women instead of insolent harpies. For every unhappy middle-aged single cat-woman there’s an equally unhappy middle-aged single man. This isn’t good for anyone.

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  130. Actually, I’ve always been convinced the endocrine disrupters are behind a lot of men who feel ‘female’, and the right won’t say anything because it makes companies look bad and the left won’t say anything because it makes transgenderism look bad.

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  131. Sure, call your opponents losers. It’s funny how the left is so happy to represent *economic market* losers (which I’m in favor of), but *sexual market* losers are worthy of mockery…

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  132. Actually, yeah. It might actually be better to have worse football teams by giving more kids a chance to play, and thus expanding the number of kids who do some sort of sport–it has health benefits and personality benefits. But it’s hard, because who doesn’t want a winning team?

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  133. Sure, but they can wreck society while they’re at it.

    There’s also a more subtle problem. Historically, the left was the guardian of free speech (yes, really). If they now decide free speech is only good when it favors minorities, women, and LGBTCBY (you can actually find Jews on both sides of this issue), the right is obviously going to counterattack by going after blasphemy like it’s 1799, and we’re going to have a ridiculous situation where there are hate-speech laws against insulting blacks *and* Christians. (Read up on the ‘food disparagement’ laws of the Midwest if you want to see one of the ridiculous things the right is capable of.)

    And another old Anglo-Saxon freedom will be lost.

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  134. It may have been written by a guy. One of those unemployed Comp Lit PhD guys. It really doesn’t take much talent to write a bodice ripper, and guys have been churning out tons of those for over 75 years. Why do you assume it was written by a woman? Salon is a pulp rag, so why wouldn’t they follow traditional pulp practices, like buying cheap bodice ripper clickbait from guy writers.

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  135. It’s complicated.

    A majority of high-status positions are held by white men. (Even subtracting Jews, this is still true.)

    White men as a whole face discrimination in government employment, university admissions, and are subject to PC policing if they say something out of line. They are the butts of endless jokes on TV and film meant to attack their self-esteem.

    So high-status white men don’t really care about affirmative action because they’ll give a slot to their daughter, and their son can marry a woman who has her own career (or trust fund). Low-status white men see their job opportunities curtailed and a lot of bile directed at them when they turn on the TV to relax with a beer after busting their butts hauling boxes at Walmart.

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  136. From Private Eye here in the UK:

    (University Challenge is a TV quiz of long standing, in which undergraduates from various universities compete.)

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  137. I suspect he reads Sailer, at the very least.

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  138. It was Debs’ primary concern. FDR was known as a ‘traitor to his class’ and so on. Bernie Sanders, in another era, seems pretty much focused on economic issues, to the point of getting Black Lives Matter on his case. There are countless other examples, at least up through the sixties.

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  139. Oy. I hope you’re right, but given what I’ve seen, I’m not optimistic.

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  140. I think it hijacks the female brain module that’s always looking for signs of bad behavior from men–which is really quite evolutionarily adaptive, there really are always evil men trying to take advantage of women! (Look at our ghetto dads with 14 kids.)

    (There are evil women trying to take advantage of men–witness our modern divorce industry–but they had a lot fewer opportunities in times past.)

    You’ve also got the fact that misogyny and misandry are natural responses to a low position in the sexual market–and since there are limited supplies of partners, someone will *always* be at the bottom. Nobody likes me? The other gender must be to blame. It explains both feminism and Gamergate.

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  141. It’s chivalry. From the evolutionary point of view women count more than men because they’re the bottleneck in reproduction–1 woman and 10 men can produce many fewer children than 1 man and 10 women. They’re also smaller and weaker, and, for most of human history where threats involved things like wild animals and collapsing houses, more vulnerable. So most cultures are obsessed with the protection of women. Even now arguing about ‘men’s rights’ tends to be a loser even with righties. The problem is that women now believe in feminism and lots of men still believe in chivalry, so men get screwed.

    One of the nice things about Christianity was that every life had value before God. It’s unrealistic, but the struggle for survival of the fittest is a very nasty place (and Darwin acknowledged this).

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  142. Actually, that’s pretty much who is in charge of libraries and archives. But librarians have this whole thing about access to information, so they’ll defend your right to check out a copy of Mein Kampf.

    So far.

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  143. It’s got over 100 comments, only 20 or so of which are from me.

    I’d like to see Sailer write a book that isn’t about Obama. He’s made a lot of interesting insights over the years, and Barry’s gone in a year. I mean, Steve, we know you have to make a living, and books about how bad Obama are sell copies, but…

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  144. At an upscale school in Seattle, they’re probably going to do OK.

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